[12:00] <dyce> btw im logged in in terminal as root
[12:00] <djm62> dyce: do you kno?w what module it should be
[12:00] <dyce> no
[12:00] <dyce> im clueless
[12:00] <dyce> wait
[12:00] <ompaul> sudo apt-get install vrms
[12:00] <dyce> actually
[12:00] <ompaul> now there is a challange
[12:00] <nickrud> RustyShackleford: try it again, but sudo kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[12:00] <pune> hey does anyone know why I can't get my hp printer/scanner to work with xsan?
[12:00] <dyce> this site
[12:00] <dyce> http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux/Wireless.html
[12:00] <ompaul> 2 non-free packages, 0.1% of 1912 installed packages
[12:00] <dyce> they had a list
[12:01] <dyce> of compatible cards
[12:01] <dyce> and it showed mine
[12:01] <dskinner> help
[12:01] <flodine> how can i get better fps
[12:01] <waseem> abcde didnt seem to wor
[12:01] <waseem> k
[12:01] <rmilun> what is init mode for ubuntu,to boot only in console mode,not to start X?
[12:02] <dskinner> anyone here that can help me
[12:02] <waseem> and sound-juicer doesnt convert into mp3
[12:02] <Quest-Master> InitMass: I am using Quanta at this second with Gnome ;)
[12:02] <dskinner> I am a neewbie to linux
[12:02] <dskinner> I just installed ubuntu
[12:02] <cavediver> rmilun: 3
[12:02] <stevenj> Quest-Master, have you tried bluefish for gnome
[12:02] <dyce> djm62: for kubuntu there is kwifisetup
[12:02] <RustyShackleford> Where do I run it at.  It won't open in "run command"
[12:02] <rmilun> ah,thanks cavediver
[12:02] <waseem> actually, how do i make it so that abcde converts tracks into mp3?
[12:02] <Zugot> |QuaD-: thanks for the link
[12:02] <dskinner> and have no clue how to get java working
[12:02] <rmilun> dskinner,i just installed ubuntu too :)
[12:02] <dyce> djm62: for kubuntu there is kwifisetup, but for gnome what is there?
[12:02] <InitMass> Quest-Master, there is always bluefish
[12:02] <Quest-Master> stevenj: Yes. I still prefer Quanta though, since remote saving works with it
[12:03] <ompaul> dskinner, is that with a browser?
[12:03] <dskinner> yes
[12:03] <stevenj> Quest-Master, i see
[12:03] <|QuaD-> Zugot: np
[12:03] <ompaul> dskinner, have you downloaded the package?
[12:03] <nickrud> RustyShackleford: open a konsole, and try typing the sudo etc line
[12:03] <Quest-Master> I'd probably be using Kubuntu right now if it wasn't so buggy atm.
[12:03] <dskinner> yes
[12:04] <cavediver>  K
[12:04] <cavediver> Is it possible to disable that recent document feature ?
[12:04] <dyce> this sux
[12:04] <ompaul> dskinner, have you run `sudo sh package_name` yet?
[12:04] <dyce> im going back to windows
[12:04] <dskinner> yes, it says permission denied
[12:04] <cavediver> dyce: why ?
[12:04] <dskinner> I even logged in as root
[12:05] <ice_1963> =)
[12:05] <ompaul> dskinner, what is the exact error?
[12:05] <dskinner> permission denied
[12:05] <ompaul> dskinner, what is the last part of the file name?
[12:05] <waseem> how do i eject the cd?
[12:06] <stevenj> waseem, rightclick on cd and click eject?
[12:06] <waseem> the cd isnt showing up on the desktop
[12:06] <waseem> or in the /media file
[12:06] <dskinner> I downloaded it ended in a .bin
[12:06] <dskinner> I extracted all of it into a tmp folder
[12:07] <ompaul> sudo sh *.bin then
[12:07] <Enkidu> I'm still have problems with sound on my laptop, will anyone assist me?
[12:07] <dskinner> I then went to that folder and saw a configure file and an install file
[12:07] <mika--> waseem: sudo reject /dev/blala
[12:07] <RustyShackleford> Kate keeps crashing.  I tried opening up a root terminal, but when I enter my password, it just closes.
[12:08] <nickrud> ok, lets use a different editor :) sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[12:08] <cavediver> Man, where can one get a decent online poker that doesn't require stupid exe downloads and flash shit.
[12:08] <rmilun> waseem,type eject in console
[12:08] <rmilun> or /umount /dev/cdrom something like that,then type eject
[12:09] <rmilun> if i remember correctly :)
[12:09] <ice_1963> hhhmmmmm
[12:09] <rmilun> umount without /
[12:09] <ompaul> dskinner, I can't remember
[12:09] <ompaul> dskinner, I poked around my machine a bit
[12:10] <dskinner> wow that worked
[12:10] <dskinner> it ran alot of stuff.  How do I know it worked?
[12:11] <RustyShackleford> O.K. i've got it entered.  How do I save now?
[12:11] <ompaul> dskinner, you will need to look up google or the wiki on www.ubuntu.com
[12:11] <ompaul> dskinner, your next command is to do some ln -s * /some directories/mozilla or firebird
[12:11] <dskinner> it finished with " done"
[12:11] <Neoman> bye for all
[12:12] <ice_1963> cavediver try apt-cache search poker
[12:12] <ice_1963> ok
[12:12] <nickrud> RustyShackelford: control x, it'll ask if you want to save, say yes
[12:12] <dskinner> how do I find out what to do next
[12:12] <IRCGuest0> hi
[12:12] <IRCGuest0> is ubuntu hiring? :P
[12:12] <IRCGuest0> lol
[12:13] <dskinner> now when I look in the directory I see a new folder
[12:14] <RustyShackleford> O.K.  done.  I'm fixing to restart.  Wish me luck.
[12:14] <ompaul> dskinner http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java15/view?searchterm=install%20java <-- that is another way to insure that it is done right
[12:14] <nickrud> Luck
[12:14] <RustyShackleford> Thanks for the help by the way.
[12:16] <pvoce> ugh....I have the "/dev/lp0": Permission Denied error...ve checked permissions of the file and made sure lp, foomatic, and users had access...any ideas?
[12:17] <gratuit> does fat32 have issues with large files? (i.e. over 4 GIGS)
[12:18] <pvoce> ugh...wrong window:(
[12:18] <Bazzi> yes
[12:18] <AndyR> gratuit, 2gb file limit iirc
[12:18] <Bazzi> gratuit I think they should already have problems with >2GB
[12:18] <gratuit> ok
[12:18] <pvoce> nopers, heres the error "/dev/lp0": Permission denied
[12:19] <gratuit> what about reiserfs? does it have problems with large files?
[12:19] <pvoce> Ive checked the permissions of the file and made sure proper groups had access to it
[12:20] <Marble2> gratuit: the fat32 limit is actually 4gb
[12:20] <justinlbarnes> Im back.  I still just have 640X480
[12:20] <Sionide> ouch
[12:21] <nickrud> Rusty, look at /etc/X11/Xorg.log, look for *Default mode, it'll tell you more about what X thinks your machine can do
[12:22] <nickrud> Rusty, look at /var/log/Xorg.log, typing too fast, sorry
[12:22] <markuman>  if i have compile something by myself with ./configure make make install and i want to uninstall it? how? with make uninstall it don't work
[12:23] <Bazzi> markuman you got a problem then
[12:23] <markuman> hm
[12:23] <markuman> lol
[12:23] <markuman> not myself, but a friend
[12:23] <gen> bazzi hush
[12:23] <nickrud> markuman: checkinstall instead of make install next time :)
[12:23] <Bazzi> gen? :o
[12:23] <tbird> markuman, you need to try and find rpm or something thats compatable with alien
[12:24] <RustyShackleford> No such file or directory
[12:24] <tbird> kewl ubuntu uses checkinstall
[12:25] <nickrud> Sorry, /var/log/Xorg.0.log, sorry
[12:27] <RustyShackleford> O.K. what am I looking for?
[12:28] <fsapo> hi there :)
[12:28] <diaoune> boy am I having fun with ubuntu ;)
[12:28] <fsapo> anyone knows if is there any plugin for gedit to complete php code?
[12:28] <fsapo> diaoune, ubuntu rlz ;)
[12:29] <gen> rlz?
[12:29] <nickrud> What you're looking for is the section where X reports the modes it can handle.
[12:29] <diaoune> any faqs about for installing realplyer plugin for firefox on PPC Ubuntu?
[12:29] <nickrud>  they look like this: *Default mode "1024x768": 75.0 MHz, 56.5 kHz, 70.1 Hz
[12:29] <fsapo> gen, "rules"
[12:30] <cpp> hi
[12:30] <fsapo> anyone knows if there is an auto completion plugin for gedit? for php code...
[12:31] <cpp> can anyone help me with something real quick i just installed ubuntu today
[12:31] <jirwin> hello
[12:31] <cpp> is that a hello to me?
[12:31] <jirwin> I am having trouble installing hoary, as it hangs up at 25% configuring apt in the installation
[12:32] <tbird> jirwin, just wait
[12:32] <tbird> it takes a while
[12:32] <fsapo> jirwin, i had this
[12:32] <jirwin> thanks.
[12:32] <fsapo> jirwin, start with the no dhcp option
[12:32] <fsapo> jirwin, it will skip this process
[12:32] <cpp> anyone know how to install language packs?
[12:32] <jirwin> cpp: synaptic
[12:33] <markuman> someone use linEAK?
[12:33] <cpp> ya i dled them but how to swtich them?
[12:33] <fsapo> jirwin, just press F1 or F2 (i dont remember the correct key) in the first boot screen
[12:33] <markuman> how to mute pcm and opposite of it with same command?
[12:33] <zxc> can you make stuff transparant in ubuntu?
[12:33] <fsapo> jirwin, the look for the no dhcp option and start with this option ;)
[12:33] <jirwin> ok let me try
[12:34] <FR500> markuman:  i think thats kde especific
[12:34] <cpp> can some1 help this noob?
[12:34] <markuman> linEAK? there is a special GUI Config tool. but you can config it in a editor for other windowmanagers
[12:35] <cavediver> where do i set the icons for the different mime-types?
[12:36] <waseem> hey how do i untar a file and run it?
[12:36] <LycoN> Ok my g card should be getting over 150 fps on glxgears
[12:36] <tbird> waseem, man tar
[12:36] <LycoN> i have need drivers too
[12:37] <GammaRay> waseem: tar xvzf <file>
[12:37] <GammaRay> waseem: "running it".. depends
[12:37] <nickrud> cpp: dpkg-l language-pack* , pick one, sudo aptitude install language-pack-??
[12:37] <isai> hi
[12:38] <isai> what's the best way to get realmedia video/audio to work in firefox?
[12:38] <usual> it's so weird, totem-gstreamer/totem-xine/xine play dvd's sort of choppy, but gxine plays them just fine
[12:38] <fsapo> waseem, tar xvf file.tar
[12:38] <nickrud> cpp: make that last part apt-get install language-pack-??, aptitude does not play well with synaptic sometimes
[12:39] <cpp> is there a way to have mozilla like directly to irc when i click on a protocol irc://
[12:41] <synic> hey, I just installed hoary on a thinkpad t23.  When trying to boot, it halts after "Uncompressing the kernel... OK, booting the kernel"
[12:42] <synic> what could be wrong?
[12:42] <Levander> Mount command says a filesystem is mounted via smbfs from another machine on the same network.  The machine the filesystem used to exist on, no longer exists.  Any easy way to get my computer to realize that mount is just not there anymore?  Without rebooting hopefully?
[12:42] <Levander> When I do a umount -f <device name> gives me a few error messages saying "device busy" basically.
[12:43] <Sionide> www.sionide.net/ubuntu.mp3
[12:43] <synic> anyone have any idea?
[12:43] <Bukkake> Ubuntu.mp3? Omg!
[12:44] <Levander> What's ubuntu.mp3?
[12:44] <pvoce> sionide: LOL
[12:44] <Sionide> it's funny...
[12:44] <pvoce> My wife was giving me wierd looks
[12:44] <Sionide> don't spread it around too much though, i don't have *that* much bandwidth
[12:44] <Sionide> heheh
[12:44] <Sionide> it's quality
[12:45] <WW> Isn't that awesome, indeed!
[12:45] <Sionide> made by the guys who do www.lugradio.org - most of them are ubuntu users
[12:46] <dags> heh heh
[12:46] <waseem> what is the extension tag supposed to be for a make file?
[12:46] <Sionide> in fact, that's a clip from the lastest lugradio episode, i highly recommend it..
[12:46] <pvoce> sionide: I was ready to break into a rendition of "Bare Necessities"
[12:46] <Sionide> lol!
[12:46] <WW> waseem: None.  Typically just "Makefile"
[12:46] <Sionide> ...just in case people don't get it - it's a rip off of "Umbongo" which was a cartoned drink, here in the UK. I think they still make it!
[12:47] <Sionide> and the tag line was "they drink it in the congo" and that was the theme tune from the advert
[12:47] <Sionide> absolutely quality...
[12:47] <jirwin> well no such luck for me...
[12:47] <pvoce> sionide: OIC!  now it makes more sense
[12:47] <Aper> hi
[12:47] <Sionide> if you're into opensource and linux, which i assume you are! head over to lugradio.org and check out their shows. they're great
[12:47] <mikeco> lo
[12:47] <Sionide> :P
[12:48] <jirwin> any other ideas why my hoary installation is hanging while configuring apt? it is the exact same spot
[12:48] <pvoce> I work in radio, so I guess I'll have to work on a US(Texan) eiditon
[12:48] <ssam> lug radio is good
[12:48] <Sionide> yeah it bloody is!
[12:48] <ssam> if you dont mind the swearing
[12:48] <Aper> what about this chabbel ?
[12:48] <Sionide> ssam, lol - they're english. it's almost expected :P
[12:48] <mikeco> haha
[12:48] <Sionide> pvoce, glad to know it's still funny even if you don't know about umbongo :D
[12:49] <ssam> i like their fedora vs ubuntu arguments
[12:49] <jirwin> fsapo, do you have any other ideas?
[12:49] <pvoce> sionide: some things are just universal;)
[12:49] <tsume_> 
[12:49] <Sionide> ssam, yeah - always a good laugh
[12:49] <ssam> and how they call kubuntu 'ubuntuk'
[12:49] <Sionide> haha
[12:49] <segfault> hello.
[12:50] <Obsidians> When I try to do "apt-get install build-essentials" it says "Need to get 0B/2562kB of archives." and then gets to "0% [Working] " and then doesn't do anything. I need to install that package, what do I do?
[12:50] <jirwin> hello
[12:50] <WW> Obsidians: apt-get install build-essential
[12:50] <pvoce> Sionide: So ife they come out with one for people whop deal with explosive materials, would they call it "uBOOMtu"?
[12:51] <Obsidians> WW:
[12:51] <WW> Obsidians: not *-essentials
[12:51] <jirwin> can anyone help me figure out why the installer is hanging on the apt configuration
[12:51] <Sionide> haha
[12:51] <Obsidians> WW: Sorry, yes. That's what I did. No s.
[12:51] <|QuaD-> if i want to fix dpkg -l so thatonly installed packages are listed (ie clean it up, not just use grep) how would i do that?
[12:51] <Obsidians> When I try to do "apt-get install build-essential" it says "Need to get 0B/2562kB of archives." and then gets to "0% [Working] " and then doesn't do anything. I need to install that package, what do I do?
[12:51] <Obsidians> Like that.
[12:51] <zxc> can you get transparency of windows in ubuntu??
[12:52] <TQuid> Do I have the right impression that linksys is pretty good about linux?
[12:52] <TQuid> zxc, depends on what window manager you're using.
[12:52] <pvoce> Tquid: Im using a linksys right now
[12:52] <WW> Obsidians: When you say it doesn't do anything, do you get a prompt again, or does the command hang?
[12:53] <jirwin> can anyone help me figure out why my installer i hanging on the apt configuration at the exact same spot everytime?
[12:53] <tbird> jirwin, have you tried using different mirrors?
[12:53] <Obsidians> WW: It just hangs at "0% [Working] " Just sits there.
[12:53] <kyncani> Obsidians: maybe a badly configured firewall ?
[12:54] <TQuid> pvoce:  I have a linksys WMP54G wireless I'm going to be setting up on a new machine, wondering how likely it is to work OTB.
[12:54] <TQuid> jirwin, if you do alt-f2, you should get a console showing more detailed errors.
[12:54] <Obsidians> kyncani: I don't think so, because apt-get has worked on everything else. And I don't have a firewall, except for whatever's on the router.
[12:54] <WW> Obsidians: Do other apt-get commands work, such as "apt-get update"?
[12:54] <pvoce> TQuid: Is the router going to supply the DHCP or is it a stic network?
[12:54] <TQuid> (This is a wireless pci card, they seem a bit goofy)
[12:54] <jirwin> TQuid, i have done that
[12:54] <boyo-atx> does hoary come with bootsplash?
[12:55] <Obsidians> WW: Even install works, for everything but that one package.
[12:55] <TQuid> pvoce, it uses dhcp.
[12:55] <ssam> zxc i think you want to look at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20769&highlight=transparent
[12:55] <jirwin> TQuid, I am not sure on the errors
[12:55] <TQuid> jirwin, what's the error, if any, or the last bit of output when it locks up?
[12:55] <kyncani> Obsidians: you can run the command with strace and see where it hangs
[12:55] <sillygirly> i was wondering if anybody could help me
[12:55] <pvoce> Tquid: (K)Ubuntu should have no problems finding the network then, provided the pci wireless is setup correctly
[12:56] <jirwin> TQuid, the only inkling of an error is that it says it fails to set locale
[12:56] <Sionide> mmm that was the trouble i think i had, i'm wired at the mo - i think my pcmcia wireless card is crap to be honest..
[12:56] <sillygirly> i cant hear sound
[12:56] <pvoce> Sionide: laptop?
[12:56] <Sionide> it is yes
[12:57] <sillygirly> sound not working
[12:57] <Obsidians> kyncani: It seems to hang on this, apparently:
[12:57] <jirwin> TQuid, and that doesn't actually say error, it says warning
[12:57] <Obsidians> select(17, [16] , [] , NULL, {0, 500000}) = 0 (Timeout)
[12:57] <Obsidians> gettimeofday({1113692236, 218572}, NULL) = 0
[12:57] <Obsidians> rt_sigprocmask(SIG_BLOCK, [WINCH] , [] , 8) = 0
[12:57] <Obsidians> rt_sigprocmask(SIG_SETMASK, [] , NULL, 8) = 0
[12:57] <Obsidians> 0% [Working] )          = 1313
[12:57] <Obsidians> select(17, [16] , [] , NULL, {0, 500000}) = 0 (Timeout)
[12:57] <Obsidians> gettimeofday({1113692236, 718393}, NULL) = 0
[12:57] <Obsidians> rt_sigprocmask(SIG_BLOCK, [WINCH] , [] , 8) = 0
[12:57] <Obsidians> rt_sigprocmask(SIG_SETMASK, [] , NULL, 8) = 0
[12:57] <Obsidians> 0% [Working] )
[12:57] <Sionide> ouch
[12:58] <pvoce> sionide: can you at least register local host?
[12:58] <Obsidians> Just keeps repeating that.
[12:58] <Sionide> mega paste
[12:58] <markuman> :-D
[12:58] <Sionide> err not sure pvoce, i'm not bothered trying it again right this minute.
[12:58] <keyes> hello
[12:58] <keyes> i've a pb with gdm
[12:58] <sillygirly> does anybody else have a sound issue?
[12:58] <TQuid> pvoce, thanks.  I'll try it with the livecd first, gotta upgrade the ram--only have 64MB!
[12:59] <pvoce> sionide: ahhhic...thought you were working on it and typing at another terminal:))
[12:59] <pvoce> Tquid: should be pretty smooth then
[12:59] <Sionide> nah im actually watching the pretty gnome x-screensavers at the moment, very bored... :P
[12:59] <kyncani> Obsidians: if you're a little experienced with c, you can see what this 16 descriptor is
[12:59] <djm62> sillygirly: can you hear sound outside your computer?
[12:59] <kyncani> Obsidians: (next time, use #flood)
[12:59] <keyes> I'm french and i've select "french" il the ubuntu install, all my system is in french but not GDM :s GDM is in english :-S
[12:59] <pvoce> sionide: DOOONNNNTTT LLEEEEETTTT THEEEEMMMM SSSUUUUUCCCKKK TYTYYOOUUUUUU IINNNNNNN:))
[01:00] <WW> Obsidians: Strange.  If you get desperate, you could try bypassing build-essential and get the individual packages.  You probably want gcc. g++, make and libc6-dev.
[01:00] <waseem> when i download tar files to the Desktop, theyre hidden. how do i make them show as icons?>
[01:00] <Sionide> but the one with blue sqaures which fade is just SO COOL
[01:00] <Sionide> seriously. :/
[01:00] <keyes> i've already all locale-fr installed and i've run dpkg-reconfigure locales but nothing :-(
[01:00] <sillygirly> my sound card seems to be correctly identified...  but no sound comes out.
[01:00] <RustyShackleford> I'm back.  So basically, it would just let me load into a command prompt.  I had to reconfig and set it back to 640x480 before I could load the desktop back up.
[01:00] <WW> Obsidians: But even if that works, it is an unsatisfying work-around :(
[01:00] <djm62> sillygirly: have you tried changing the volume-control settings?
[01:00] <sillygirly> yes.
[01:00] <Obsidians> WW: I tried doing G++, and it doesn't seem to go either. Same thing, hangs on 0%.
[01:00] <sillygirly> nothing seems to help
[01:01] <keyes> sillygirly => have u a tuner card, a usb webcam or micro, ... ?
[01:01] <waseem> when i download tar files to the Desktop, theyre hidden. how do i make them show as icons?
[01:01] <sillygirly> no tuner card, yes to usb webcam/mic
[01:01] <pvoce> obsidians: is the machine youre installing on on a network?
[01:01] <sillygirly> i unplugged the webcam hoping that would help... didnt
[01:01] <Jarrette> hey, can anyone tell me how to manually change the screen's resolution? the gnome tool isn't giving me all the options
[01:01] <Obsidians> pvoce: It's on a home network I suppose, yes.
[01:01] <keyes> sillygirly:  https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1293
[01:01] <pvoce> ARRRGGGHHHH!!!!!!  PRINTING DOTH VEX ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[01:02] <sillygirly> thanks! brb
[01:02] <Obsidians> Jarrette: It's in /etc/X11/xorg.conf, I think.
[01:02] <pvoce> Obsidians: Does it pick up the netowrk as part of the installation?
[01:02] <Jarrette> i tried
[01:02] <Jarrette> it doesn't chnage what the gnome tool's finding
[01:02] <waseem> does anyone know why .tar files arent showing up on the destkop when i download them?
[01:02] <jirwin> Can anyone help me figure out why my hoary installation stalls during the apt configuration at the same spot?
[01:02] <RustyShackleford> My resolution is f'ed up too.  I tried editing but it just let me boot into a command prompt.
[01:03] <Jarrette> it's frustrating, cause i have some obscure resolution right now
[01:03] <kyncani> waseem: because they're downloaded somewhere else ???
[01:03] <jirwin> Jarrette, make sure that your monitor was detected correctly, and includes your refresh ates
[01:03] <waseem> kyncani, they are downloaded onto the Desktop
[01:04] <keyes> noone for help me with my gdm problem ?
[01:04] <jirwin> s/ates/rates
[01:04] <Jarrette> i chose the resolution settings during the install, but i made some bad choices, i jsut want to be able to choose from new ones
[01:04] <jirwin> keyes, what is the problem?
[01:04] <kyncani> Jarrette: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[01:04] <waseem> i can access it through the terminal
[01:04] <sillygirly> i an a newbie to linux... only a few months total w/ diff distros... i dont understand how to change the first/second devices...
[01:04] <Jarrette> thank you
[01:04] <pvoce> keyes: you might be able to d/l the french for gnome trough synaptic
[01:04] <keyes> jirwin:  all my system is in french (good), but my gdm is in english :-S
[01:04] <keyes> pvoce:  all is downloded
[01:04] <keyes> it's the pb
[01:05] <jirwin> keyes, I would look in synaptic for the language paks
[01:05] <sillygirly> do i need to reinstall w/o the webcam connected?
[01:05] <jirwin> packs*
[01:05] <pvoce> keyes: The desktop or the bootsplash?
[01:05] <keyes> jirwin:  i've all french lang pack installed
[01:05] <sillygirly> #keyes
[01:05] <sillygirly> lol
[01:05] <keyes> pvoce:  gdm
[01:05] <sillygirly> oops
[01:06] <keyes> the desktop manager
[01:06] <pvoce> et gdm pas en francais, dscoord?
[01:06] <keyes> yes
[01:06] <keyes> ;)
[01:06] <cjpro> /join #0,0   <<< Is that channel safe?
[01:06] <pvoce> avez vous KDM?
[01:07] <pvoce> ah...he left
[01:07] <virginie> hi
[01:07] <sillygirly> do i need to reinstall ubuntu w/o having the webcam connected to get the sound to work?
[01:08] <sillygirly> anybody?  please?
[01:08] <keyes> sorry
[01:08] <MacIver> cjpro: sure
[01:08] <pvoce> keyes: np....do you have KDE installed?
[01:08] <keyes> pvoce:  no
[01:08] <keyes> just gnome
[01:08] <sillygirly> alright thanks for all the help... bye
[01:09] <dyce> who has used usb wireless adaptors?
[01:09] <ubuntu> hi
[01:09] <pvoce> keyes: perhaps you can use kdm, since theyre a bit more up on i8ln
[01:09] <virginie> does someone know why when i disconnect from gnome the monitor is black and i must reboot the computer even a Ctrl+Alt+Fn doesnt work :( did someone get this problem ?
[01:10] <keyes> pvoce:  i don't like kdm
[01:10] <pvoce> virginie: which desktop manager are you using?
[01:10] <keyes> i prefere gdm in english :)
[01:10] <virginie> GNOME it's the default ...
[01:10] <waseem> ok im trying to install a program but i need tcl
[01:10] <pvoce> keyes: lol youre loyal:)
[01:10] <waseem> how do i install tcl?
[01:11] <crimsun> waseem: aptitude install tcl8.4-dev
[01:11] <pvoce> virginie: do you boot striaght to your desktop or do you have to log on first
[01:11] <virginie> pvoce i'm using gdm
[01:11] <monkey89> I have a rule for my logitech mouse to run a certain command in /etc/udev/rules.d/logitech-mice.rules - problem is, it isn't ran when I reboot my computer, but if I do /etc/init.d/udev restart, it works - any ideas?
[01:11] <pvoce> virginie: it sounding like your gdm is failing to restart when you log out
[01:11] <kyncani> waseem: which program are you trying to install ?
[01:11] <virginie> pvoce, but it's really weird ...
[01:12] <virginie> pvoce, the screen goes black and I cant do anything .... even try to goes to console it doesnt allow or maybe it does but i cant see it
[01:12] <pvoce> virginie: before you log out, try doing this: Open up a terminal and "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop", then log out
[01:13] <pvoce> virginie: you SHOULD get to a simple cl when you log out of gnome
[01:13] <virginie> pvoce, i did a gdm restart and it worked ... but when i just disconnect it goes black :(
[01:13] <waseem> kyncani: where is the Tcl librarly location now?
[01:13] <SeamusLP> Is it just me, or is nautilus buggy as hell?
[01:14] <kyncani> virginie: you can try this (blindfolded): go to console, log in, sudo eject /dev/yourcdrom  (and give password). This will tell you if the box is crashed
[01:14] <crimsun> waseem: did you install tcl8.4-dev?
[01:14] <djm62> d'oh!
[01:14] <pvoce> virginie: check your ps and see if the process is staying resident or of its either dying or going zombie
[01:15] <waseem> crimsun: yes
[01:15] <virginie> but how when the screen is black and nothing is working anymore :)
[01:15] <crimsun> waseem: does it only need tcl, or does it need tk, too?
[01:15] <virginie> i've got this in the X log : (II) R128(0): DPMS capabilities: StandBy Suspend; RGB/Color Display
[01:15] <kyncani> waseem: which program are you trying to install in the first place ? cannot get it with apt ?
[01:17] <waseem> # An implementation of the OpenGL API version 1.1 or greater (Mesa versions >= 3.2 work; see http://mesa3d.sourceforge.net). Note that you will need a hardware-accelerated implementation of OpenGL in order for Tux Racer to be playable.
[01:17] <waseem> # The GLUT library, version 3.7 beta or greater. This is distributed in the MesaDemos package, so if you have installed Mesa you probably also have GLUT. Otherwise, see http://www.opengl.org.
[01:17] <waseem> # Tcl Version 8.0 or greater.
[01:17] <waseem> # (Optional) Simple DirectMedia Layer (SDL) Version 1.1.1 or greater. This is required for joystick support.
[01:17] <waseem> # (Optional) SDL_mixer Version 1.0 or greater. This is required for sound and music support.
[01:17] <waseem> those are the requirements
[01:18] <waseem> im trying to ./configure it
[01:18] <waseem> im trying to install tuxracer
[01:18] <waseem> heh.
[01:18] <Rhymes> is it safe to upgrade from hoary to breezy?
[01:19] <SeamusLP> Rhymes I wouldn't do it, they're switching to GCC4
[01:19] <crimsun> waseem: apt-get build-dep tuxracer
[01:19] <Rhymes> SeamusLP: ok thanks
[01:20] <SeamusLP> Also i was talking to a guy in MOTU and he doesn't believe it's a very good idea -- maybe in a few months he says, if you're brave :)
[01:20] <waseem> wow ok thanks
[01:20] <waseem> what does build-dep do?
[01:20] <kyncani> waseem: or apt-get install tuxracer
[01:21] <SeamusLP> and waseem, do a search for tuxracer in synaptic...
[01:21] <UbuWu> Does anyone know if there is a clipboard deamon/manager in the repositories? (I couldn't find it)
[01:21] <waseem> ya i did it with install
[01:21] <kyncani> waseem: if in the first place you're trying to get tuxracer
[01:21] <SeamusLP> or what kyncani said :)
[01:21] <kyncani> :)
[01:22] <kyncani> waseem: in fact, don't install anything manually if it's available with ssynaptic unless you cannot do otherwise
[01:22] <waseem> ok
[01:22] <waseem> its really laggy
[01:22] <waseem> any reason for that?
[01:23] <kyncani> waseem: sure you're using harware 3d accel ?
[01:23] <waseem> kyncani: i have no clue
[01:23] <justinlbarnes> I'm back.  Still no luck.
[01:23] <LycoN> How do i stop rendering with MesaGL but with my ATI card?
[01:24] <kyncani> waseem: what does  glxinfo | grep 'direct rendering'  tells you ?
[01:25] <waseem> no
[01:25] <RustyShackleford> This screen resolution is kicking my ass.
[01:25] <kyncani> waseem: well, you don't have hardware 3d accel :)
[01:25] <LycoN> Can anyone tell me how I can change fglrxinfo from saying i am rendering with MesaGL...it should say i am rendering with ATI 9800 Pro
[01:25] <kyncani> waseem: (or at least not enabled)
[01:26] <waseem> kyncani: assuming i have it, how would i enable it?
[01:26] <kyncani> waseem: what graphic card ?
[01:26] <waseem> heh um...
[01:26] <waseem> how would i find that out?
[01:26] <kyncani> waseem: you don't know if you have nvidia or ati ?
[01:27] <waseem> kyncani: sadly no
[01:27] <copilot> Is there a way to reset the sound? If I leave my computer up for a few days the audio gets quieter and quieter
[01:27] <kyncani> waseem: well, you can find out with lspci, or hal-device-manager i think
[01:28] <thread> anybody know about SD card readers in laptops?
[01:28] <thread> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=8381
[01:28] <thread> I posted at the end of that thread
[01:28] <LycoN> kyncani: hey
[01:28] <djm62> copilot: really?
[01:28] <djm62> copilot: that's the strangest thing I've ever heard
[01:29] <kyncani> LycoN: i don't have ati, don't know. But you may find some ubuntu howto with google
[01:29] <LycoN> thanks
[01:30] <LycoN> hey but still how did u change ur OpenGL rendering to nvidia
[01:30] <waseem> GeForce2 MX/MX 400
[01:30] <waseem> i think its nVidia
[01:31] <kyncani> LycoN: well, i just dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and the nvidia driver was there
[01:31] <djm62> apt-get install more-sound
[01:31] <kyncani> waseem: see just aboce @
[01:31] <kyncani> ^
[01:31] <waseem> whats that?
[01:31] <copilot> Right now, everything is all the way up, and it's barely audible to watch a movie, but I'm gonna restart and full volume will be deafening.
[01:32] <kyncani> waseem: i think if you dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, you can choose the nvidia driver
[01:32] <Abood> hi all, guys im newbie to ubuntu i was using another dirsto and tonight i installed ubuntu but i dont know i think that i had installed it correctly, but when its loads the setting its gives me at the end a moving small windows writtien in it " Sincronismo errato" any idea about this thing ?
[01:32] <waseem> kyncani: how do i make it so that i can just choose the nvidia driver
[01:33] <kyncani> waseem: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, choose the nvidia driver
[01:33] <djm62> Abood: do you know what that would be in english?
[01:33] <ratius> does anyone here is playing World of Warcraft on Linux?
[01:34] <Abood> djm62 i have the same proplem i dont know what does it means :( or why it appears suddnly ?!
[01:35] <Abood> any idea guys, plz need support with ubuntu :(
[01:35] <waseem> kyncani: select the desired X server driver
[01:35] <waseem> which one should i choose?
[01:35] <kyncani> waseem: ?? nvidia !
[01:35] <MaCaDe> sincronismo errato = sync error, or something?
[01:36] <djm62> Abood: did it finish installing?
[01:36] <waseem> kyncani: i already looked for that, there is no nvidia
[01:36] <waseem> there is ati however
[01:36] <waseem> should i choose that?
[01:36] <kyncani> waseem: hmmm, you're using hoary ?
[01:37] <waseem> yes
[01:37] <kyncani> waseem: and you do have either linux-386 or 586 or 686 installed ?
[01:37] <jirwin> hello
[01:37] <jirwin> what is the best way to go about upgrading from warty to hoary?
[01:38] <Abood> djm62: yes and suddenly the window appears !!!, i dont know, man its like the windows that appears whem ur screen turned on and ur pc turned off it moves to every corner
[01:38] <djm62> Abood: oh....
[01:38] <kyncani> waseem: try: sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[01:38] <tbird> jirwin, edit sources.list change all entrys from warty to hoary
[01:38] <djm62> Abood: that sounds like it's your monitor  not working with X
[01:38] <jirwin> tbird: is there something like distupgrade?
[01:39] <tbird> jirwin, apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:39] <jirwin> tbird, what does that do?
[01:39] <waseem> kyncani: command not found
[01:39] <djm62> Abood: try ctrl-alt-f1 and see if you get a text console
[01:39] <tbird> upgrades you to hoary
[01:39] <jirwin> tbird, after I change the sources?
[01:39] <tbird> yes
[01:39] <jirwin> thanks :)
[01:39] <tbird> np
[01:40] <Abood> djm62 hows that dude, its was working with the other dirstubtions and with xp too its new compaq 17 inc ??
[01:40] <kyncani> waseem: howto at this page: http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:40] <djm62> Abood: this might be the first distro you've used with X.org instead of xfree86
[01:41] <Abood> djm62: idont know
[01:41] <Abood> i translated the world its means that "wrong sincronismo"
[01:41] <djm62> Abood: can you get a text console by doing ctrl-alt-f1?
[01:42] <tle> good morning everyone!
[01:43] <k-otik> good evening everyone
[01:43] <Abood> djm62 : i dont know i will try, so if i get it what shall i write or to do ?!
[01:43] <djm62> Abood: I think (correct me anyone) you want to do that, then log in, then type dpkg --reconfigure xserver-xorg
[01:44] <tle> Can someone here check up for me why gcc-4.0 does not link libstdc++6-dev (instead gcc3.4 is linked)?
[01:44] <djm62> Abood: "sudo dpkg --reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[01:45] <Abood> djm62: ok let me restart my pc and try it , brb
[01:45] <tle> djm62: Abood: the bug with screen solution is bug #5197, WIP bug
[01:45] <k-otik> in ssh how do i copy a file to my computer from the remote computer?
[01:45] <k-otik> cp /dld/file.png then what
[01:45] <djm62> tle: thanks
[01:45] <Cwiiis> Hi all - Anyone here using breezy?
[01:46] <tle> T_T
[01:46] <kyncani> k-otik: use scp
[01:46] <tle> can someone help me with GCC4 and libstdc++6-dev? they don't depend on each other, tell me how to link them??!!
[01:46] <k-otik> awesome
[01:49] <djm62> tle: bug #5197 on whose bugzilla?
[01:50] <tle> Ubuntu
[01:50] <djm62> pyc and pyo files?
[01:51] <tle> djm62: 5917
[01:51] <tle> sorri
[01:51] <IRCGuest0> this not really ubuntu related but
[01:51] <Cwiiis> Anyone using breezy and having trouble with usb storage devices? dmesg shows that they're detected, but no devices are made for me, anyone have any ideas?
[01:51] <IRCGuest0> im typing a resume and it has to be 10 pt font to fit everything
[01:51] <IRCGuest0> is 10 pt fine?
[01:52] <tle> ya
[01:52] <tle> make it 1 page resume' is the best
[01:52] <IRCGuest0> tle the problem is :  Im out of space
[01:52] <IRCGuest0> i need to add even more :(
[01:53] <IRCGuest0> tle i cut and pasted my monster resume to wordperfect (with openoffice it didnt come out right)
[01:53] <IRCGuest0> it has large margins
[01:53] <IRCGuest0> i mean large spaces on the top and bottom
[01:54] <Graben> Ok in qt apps, the cursor changes to the default X cursor when selecting or busy signal, I've had the problem sometimes before running straight KDE any one know how to fix this?
[01:54] <djm62> IRCGuest0: 10pt is small...
[01:54] <IRCGuest0> djm62 problem is i cant fit it
[01:54] <IRCGuest0> i pasted from monster to wordperfect and it has large gaps on the top and bottom so i need 10pt
[01:55] <tle> IRCGutst0: the best... now split equally to 2 pages, ...honestly to say, I never like WordPerfect not OpenOffice.org, the best now is still MS Office even though I'm using Linux as my native devel-environment
[01:55] <djm62> IRCGuest0: you might want to change the margins
[01:55] <IRCGuest0> djm62:  hmmm
[01:55] <IRCGuest0> ok ill try that first
[01:55] <djm62> I don't know how you'd do it in WP
[01:55] <IRCGuest0> cant
[01:55] <IRCGuest0> its set to 0
[01:55] <IRCGuest0> and has a big gap
[01:55] <IRCGuest0> oh well 10pt it is
[01:56] <Cwiiis> heh, seems #ubuntu has turned into #resumehelp :p
[01:56] <IRCGuest0> 8.5 x 11 is right?
[01:56] <Quest-Master> Is there anyway I can get Firefox to identify my OS as Windows instead of Linux? I can't download this program because it keeps on saying my OS (Ubuntu) isn't supported, but this app. can be run through Wine
[01:56] <Quest-Master> ;(
[01:56] <djm62> Openoffice is pretty good, but 2.0 will be better...if only I had a reason to use it
[01:56] <IRCGuest0> djm62:  8.5 x 11 is right?
[01:56] <djm62> IRCGuest0: depends on what country you're in
[01:56] <djm62> I don't know them all
[01:57] <IRCGuest0> usa
[01:57] <djm62> don't know for usa
[01:57] <IRCGuest0> djm62 it should be right for usa
[01:57] <djm62> Quest-Master: I think if you do tools->extensions->get extensions you can download a User Agent switcher
[01:58] <Quest-Master> djm62: Thanks
[01:58] <locomorto> you can
[01:58] <locomorto> its called user agent switch or some such
[01:58] <locomorto> switcher*
[01:59] <Kevad> Anybody here know how to get an iBook to wake up from sleep under Ubuntu?  Worked fine with Debian...
[01:59] <tle> hey ppl
[01:59] <zxc> is there anyway to make windows transparent in ubuntu?
[01:59] <tle> is it possible and legal to make DEB RealPlayer 10?
[01:59] <zxc> Kevad, I think I saw something on that, lemme try and find it
[01:59] <djm62> Quest-Master: https://addons.update.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?id=59
[02:00] <Graben> This is odd, using x chat I can't middle click to paist from a different window in x-chat, only the same one, why?
[02:00] <IRCGuest0> hmm
[02:00] <djm62> tle: I'm almost certain it is...distributing it might be tricky...ask on the helixcommunity.whatever site
[02:00] <Graben> sorry paste not paist
[02:01] <zxc> kevad, thread here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?s=75ba81bb2636059fce9751d67e0396a2&t=25264
[02:01] <Cwiiis> Ah, solved my own problem - needed to modprobe sd_mod, if anyone has the same problem
[02:01] <Abood> back djm62
[02:01] <djm62> Abood: any luck
[02:01] <djm62> ?
[02:01] <Abood> man i tried the alt + ctl + f1
[02:01] <Abood> and yes its giving me the none graphical login
[02:01] <Abood> and when i type the sudo dpkg --....
[02:02] <Abood> it told me that its already installed and configured
[02:02] <RustyShackleford> Damn screen resolution problem.  I'm at a stalemate here.
[02:02] <Quest-Master> Is there a way to get WINE to identify itself as Windows XP or Windows 98?
[02:02] <Abood> error encountered while prossesing xserver-xorg ?!?!?!
[02:02] <Abood> so any new djm62 ?
[02:02] <djm62> does anyone know a good tool for configuring X for abood?
[02:03] <Abood> plzz guys i need to run itt
[02:03] <frank> Quest-Master, I think so with a command line option
[02:03] <Abood> and another thing djm62, the ubuntu didnt ask me what root password i want ?!
[02:03] <djm62> Abood: you could try "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart" in case it works
[02:04] <frank> Abood, there is no root password in ubuntu
[02:04] <djm62> Abood: root has no password in ubuntu...if you want to do root stuff, you use sudo
[02:04] <Abood> aha
[02:04] <djm62> Abood: of course, you _can_ give root a passwd, but you don't need to
[02:04] <RustyShackleford> So, i've tried adding the vertrefresh and horisync rates, but with no luck.  I have no idea what to do.
[02:04] <Abood> ok djm62 : does this way will work ? ""sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart"" ??
[02:05] <frank> how do I enable dma for my cdroms and is that the reason why everything is so slow when I burn?
[02:05] <djm62> Abood: it will try to restart X, which might work...try it
[02:06] <nickrud> RustyShackford, hi
[02:06] <RustyShackleford> Hi
[02:06] <Abood> ok brb
[02:06] <nickrud> did you ever have a chance to check the X logs?
[02:06] <Abood> :) switching os
[02:07] <djm62> anyone know a simple console irc client?
[02:07] <RustyShackleford> I found this, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptopsDell
[02:07] <rmilun> djm62,bitchx?
[02:08] <djm62> rmilun: you should ask about your kernel difficulties in here
[02:08] <rmilun> sirc?
[02:08] <RustyShackleford> I followed that, but when I rebooted, it took me to a command prompt.  The desltop wouldn't load up.
[02:08] <rmilun> ah,yes....should i copy whole message,or what?
[02:08] <djm62> where there are people much more experienced than I
[02:08] <djm62> yeah
[02:08] <rmilun> root@ubuntu:~/Intel536-460-1 # make 536ep Module precompile check Current running kernel is: 2.6.8.1-3-386 /lib/modules... autoconf.h existsdiff: /boot/vmlinuz.autoconf.h: No such file or directory autoconf.h matches running kerneldiff: /boot/vmlinuz.version.h: No such file or directory version.h matches running kernelcd coredrv; make \ "PSTN_DEF=-DTARGET_SELAH -DTARGET_LINUX -DLINUX" \ 536ep;make[1] : Entering directory `/root/Intel536-460-1/coredrv'cc -DTAR
[02:09] <rmilun> that is what i got when i tried to install intel 536ep modem
[02:09] <siimo> winmodem!
[02:10] <rmilun> yep
[02:10] <jordanau> siimo, that brings back bad memories...
[02:10] <rmilun> siimo:that modem is working perfectly in slackware linux...
[02:10] <siimo> rmilun, doesn't that modem have precompiled drivers in ubuntu
[02:10] <rmilun> no,never saw them?
[02:10] <rmilun> i dont think so
[02:10] <nickrud> That helps, maybe :)
[02:10] <MaCaDe> Hi folks, I have a problem getting my iBook to boot my new Ubuntu 5.04 installation from an external FireWire HD. I've had to install yaboot manually because the installer gave an error doing that. Now, when booting, it kernel-panics with these messages: "pivot_root: No such file or directory" and "/sbin/init: 428: cannot open /dev/console: No such file".
[02:10] <rmilun> dunno,if they exist,maybe you could search them for me,or so?
[02:11] <rmilun> i am desperate ppl :)
[02:11] <MaCaDe> So what do I do now? Tried creating a new initrd to no avail. Any ideas appreciated.
[02:11] <siimo> rmilun, just do what you did in slackware, err wait its failing?
[02:11] <rmilun> yep,same procedure,it failed...
[02:11] <jbailey> MaCaDe: There's Officially no support for booting off of removable drives in Hoary.
[02:12] <jbailey> MaCaDe: If you know which modules you need, you can add them to /etc/mkinitrd/modules
[02:12] <nickrud> RandyShackleford, did you do that bios thing in the wiki?
[02:12] <rmilun> i downloaded:linux-headers-2.6.8.1-3-386_2.6.8.1-16_i386.deb and linux-image-3.6.8.1-3-386_2.6.8.1-16_i386.deb,i tought that is needed....
[02:12] <MaCaDe> jbailey: oic. too bad.. don't really want to destroy my Mac OS X setup. :/
[02:12] <MaCaDe> jbailey: any idea how I figure out which modules I need?
[02:13] <jbailey> MaCaDe: I don't know firewire that well.  I'm guess ieee1394, but I don't know what the usual mass storage drivers are for it./
[02:13] <siimo> rmilun, you using the latest version?
[02:13] <siimo> http://linmodems.technion.ac.il/packages/Intel/536/intel-536EP-2.56.76.0.tgz
[02:13] <rmilun> simmo,no,ubuntu 4.10,that is all i have
[02:13] <RustyShackleford> I edited everything as it said.  I just wonder if I just need to add the horisync and vertrefresh only.
[02:13] <siimo> i mean latest version of the driver rmilun
[02:13] <MaCaDe> jbailey: hmm. I also have a ubunti 4.x live cd (which I used to make the test initrd).. if I do 'lsmod' there, it should give me clues as to the modules, right?
[02:14] <MaCaDe> ubunti = ubuntu
[02:14] <rmilun> well dunno...i use same version i used for my slackware?
[02:14] <nickrud> You're using the file from the wiki?
[02:14] <siimo> rmilun, i just posed the link ^^ look up
[02:14] <jbailey> MaCaDe: Right, that would help.  Especially if you can mount that drive.
[02:14] <RustyShackleford> I'm using this http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptopsDell
[02:15] <rmilun> siimo,what link?
[02:15] <MaCaDe> jbailey: yep, it mounts automatically when i insert it. thanks for the clue - i'm going to puzzle some more. :)
[02:15] <siimo> rmilun,  http://linmodems.technion.ac.il/packages/Intel/536/intel-536EP-2.56.76.0.tgz
[02:15] <rmilun> ah,k
[02:15] <nickrud> ok, do   lspci  in a terminal and look for the display controller. Is it an 810?
[02:16] <Kevad> Here goes nothing...
[02:16] <rmilun> are there some drivers in some nice .deb package?
[02:16] <pinS> are there other FTP apps other than gftp
[02:16] <rmilun> i would prefer to get that type of drivers :)
[02:16] <pinS> this gftp thing is driving me insane
[02:16] <Kevad> HHey, it worked
[02:16] <siimo> rmilun, you will have to look around
[02:16] <Kevad> Thanks zxc
[02:17] <Belzebuth> hi
[02:17] <rmilun> well i am looking around....google doesnt know :)
[02:17] <Belzebuth> somebody has concern with screen resolution ???
[02:17] <pinS> anyone recommend ftp apps?
[02:17] <Belzebuth> I have
[02:17] <Belzebuth> very borrowing
[02:18] <dcahrakos> anyone know if there is any known problems with ubuntu and Compaqs, and or intel Celerons?
[02:18] <Belzebuth> I can't go over 1024x768
[02:18] <Belzebuth> and I want 1280x1024
[02:18] <Belzebuth> my tft prefers
[02:19] <djm62> dcahrakos: I'm running it on a compaq nx9020 with intel celeron...works fine
[02:19] <Belzebuth> anybody is aware of this concern ?
[02:19] <RustyShackleford> I see nothing that says 810
[02:19] <nickrud> maybe 845
[02:20] <dcahrakos> djm62 damn, must be my computer then, I cant get it to install, always resets when it gets to uncompressing linux...ok, booting kernel
[02:20] <RustyShackleford> 82845G
[02:20] <djm62> what sort of computer is it?
[02:20] <nickrud> OK, then you're using the right settings, if the wiki is right :)
[02:20] <djm62> dcahrakos: check http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptopsCompaq
[02:20] <siimo> rmilun, ubuntuforums is your friend -> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2102
[02:21] <dcahrakos> its not a laptop though
[02:21] <RustyShackleford> I'll try just adding the sync and refreash rates.
[02:21] <djm62> d'oh
[02:21] <siimo> rmilun, what error you got while building when you tried before?
[02:21] <dcahrakos> compaq presario SR1010V celeron 2.8ghz 786MB ram, radeon 9250 video card is my system specs
[02:21] <nickrud> maybe before doing that, move /etc/X11/xorg.conf out of the way, and
[02:22] <nickrud> running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg first, to start from scratch
[02:22] <djm62> dcahrakos: try with noacpi option when you boot
[02:23] <RustyShackleford> I had to run reconfig to get back to the desktop.  So thats taken care of.
[02:23] <siimo> rmilun, ping
[02:23] <nickrud> ha :)
[02:23] <dcahrakos> I tried, noacpi nolacpi, havent tried with just noacpi though
[02:23] <siimo> anyone know if the linux headers are on the warty CD ?
[02:24] <djm62> dcahrakos: if it reboots rather than freezes, it suggests power-management issues
[02:25] <revelater> you have got to be kidding me, there is not a single accounting /billing program out there that compiles correctly in ubuntu!!!
[02:25] <dcahrakos> thats weird
[02:25] <pinS> anyone please recommend ftp clients for me. no gftp
[02:25] <revelater> does anyone do there accounting in linux?
[02:25] <djm62> revelater: accounting or billing? what sort of programme do you want?
[02:26] <revelater> both, or one each it doesn't matter
[02:26] <djm62> revelater: moneydance (in java) is a paid-for application which is meant to be good
[02:27] <revelater> djm62: syaing "meant to" doesn't help...
[02:27] <dragonman> Hi everyone im a newbie
[02:27] <revelater> djm62: and what about free?
[02:27] <jordanau> dragonman, hi
[02:27] <revelater> djm62: is there anything like quickbooks?
[02:27] <djm62> revelater: I'm trying to be helpful...gnucash is good enough for me
[02:28] <djm62> but it sounds like you have more business needs
[02:28] <jordanau> revelater, gnucash
[02:28] <elis> hi dragonman   :)
[02:28] <dragonman> i need some help i downloaded 5.04 x64 iso but i don't know how to make it an iso
[02:28] <revelater> ok will try that then
[02:28] <elis> dragonman: what urning app you  have?
[02:28] <jordanau> dragonman, go to your burning software
[02:29] <dragonman> i unzipped it but its not a true iso or bin/cue file
[02:29] <elis> you don't need to unzip it
[02:29] <dragonman> nero 6.6 ultra
[02:29] <RustyShackleford> Yes, its fixed now.  Thanks for the help nick.
[02:29] <elis> you need to burn it as image
[02:29] <nickrud> I'm glad it worked.
[02:29] <pharaonic_anubis> Is there a guide on installing Anureus under Warty?
[02:29] <pharaonic_anubis> An ubuntu how-to perhaps?
[02:29] <k-otik> what kind of cd burning software does ubuntu come with?
[02:29] <k-otik> doe sit come with any?
[02:30] <dragonman> oh ok thanks i'll try that
[02:30] <jordanau> k-otik, you can get gnomebaker form repos
[02:30] <elis> open nero, and go to recorder -> burn image
[02:30] <dragonman> i appreciate the help guys will try it and get back to u
[02:30] <revelater> djm62: need to download 11 megs..... most of which are part of gnome (ugh)...
[02:30] <elis> good luck
[02:30] <jordanau> dragonman, good luck
[02:31] <djm62> revelater: what are your specific needs?
[02:31] <revelater> manage accounts and billing for me and my clients
[02:32] <djm62> what are you using atm?
[02:33] <revelater> djm62: nothing, i am starting a business, and i don't have much capitol.
[02:34] <SeamusLP> revelater:  I'm not sure if GNUcash will suit your needs, but perhaps you should try it?
[02:34] <revelater> yah, downloading now, but it takes up like 40 megs
[02:34] <djm62> revelater: more lightweight http://www.sql-ledger.org/
[02:34] <SeamusLP> Are you space-limited?
[02:35] <revelater> no, i just don't want so much bulk in my computer
[02:35] <SeamusLP> You can always get rid of it if you find a better alternative
[02:36] <djm62> includes billing features
[02:37] <_troy> linux journal or linux magazine (uk) did a review of financial apps several months ago
[02:37] <_troy> with a slant toward business
[02:37] <Abood> back
[02:37] <_troy> you could prob find an online archive of that article
[02:38] <jordanau> revelater, http://linuxshop.ru/linuxbegin/win-lin-soft-en/table.shtml you should be able to find some links there
[02:38] <Abood> djm62 man i tried sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and i entered the configuration window but nothing goes well :S
[02:38] <jordanau> BTW that is an awesome link for windows > linux people
[02:38] <Abood> any solution guys for the x proplem >??!?!
[02:38] <SeamusLP> _troy:  Know of any quickbooks alternatives with an API and the ability to import quickbooks data?
[02:38] <jordanau> Abood, what problem?
[02:39] <_troy> SeamusLP: I am looking for the article, I usually keep that stuff around, not sure right off about the QB import
[02:39] <Abood> jordanau: man with the X confirgration window proplem
[02:39] <Abood> xserver
[02:40] <SeamusLP> _troy:  Been thinking about switching the workplace to linux, it's getting larger and we'll save on the microsoft tax in the long run
[02:41] <_troy> SeamusLP: that 'tax' can be a very good incentive :)
[02:41] <SeamusLP> _troy: Indeed.  It'd be nice to have a quickbooks alternative as well, don't really want to run it under 98 in qemu
[02:42] <Abood> jordanau any solution dude ?!
[02:43] <_troy> SeamusLP: This article I am thinking of did compare against quickbooks I believe
[02:43] <djm62> Abood: you could try using the vesa x server option...no acceleration though
[02:43] <SeamusLP> _troy:  It would totally rock if you could find it :D
[02:43] <Abood> djm62 how can i use that ?!
[02:43] <slez> how i set opera to my default webbrowser ?
[02:43] <djm62> _troy: I read it too....but magazines go out-of-date so quickly in FLOSS
[02:44] <qscd> how can i install icewm in ubuntu i hate gnome :p
[02:44] <Zomb> apt-get install icewm
[02:44] <Zomb> you need universe in sources.list
[02:44] <djm62> slez: menu: System->Preferences->Preferred Applications
[02:44] <slez> tnx man
[02:44] <jordanau> Abood, no
[02:45] <djm62> slez: how is opera these days?
[02:46] <mrc3> hi all! 'python2.4 setup.py install' always fails. any hint?
[02:46] <cens0red> good moaning
[02:46] <SeamusLP> mrc3:  Might be some unmet dependencies
[02:46] <SeamusLP> like some dev files or something
[02:46] <SeamusLP> search for python 2.4 and see if you can find them
[02:46] <jordanau> quick non ubuntu question, I want to make a digital picture frame, I need a linux distro to run feh and ssh and thats it, i will use an old laptop so small is key
[02:46] <mrc3> py2.3 does work, though
[02:47] <jordanau> any suggestions?
[02:47] <SeamusLP> hey mrc3 I had to install python2.4-dev to get a few things to work
[02:47] <djm62> jordanau: minimal debian?
[02:47] <SeamusLP> sudo apt-get install python2.4-dev
[02:48] <jordanau> djm62, how small can it be?
[02:48] <qscd> has anyone got photoshop working in Ubuntu?
[02:48] <mrc3> SeamusLP, darn, i missed those! thanks!!
[02:48] <jordanau> djm62, that sounds good cause i am getting used to debian through ubuntu
[02:48] <SeamusLP> mrc3:  No problem man :)
[02:49] <djm62> jordanau: not quite on a floppy, but you can get it on 100M IIRC
[02:49] <slez> damn, what is defalt in, menu: System->Preferences->Preferred Applications - web browsers
[02:49] <djm62> slez: click on a link in another gnome app...I think firefox is on ubuntu
[02:49] <Abood> is their any body that can help with the xserver-xorg proplem in ubuntu ????? im stuck i can enter the graphical interface
[02:49] <jordanau> djm62, thanks i will look into it
[02:50] <slez> ok
[02:50] <slez> tnx
[02:50] <qscd> has anyone got photoshop working in Ubuntu?!! need to know ASAP
[02:50] <jordanau> Abood, post your xorg log
[02:50] <SeamusLP> qscd:  I think photoshop 7 works really well in crossover office
[02:50] <djm62> Abood: restate your problem for those who have just joined...X causes some kind of sync error in your TFT monitor
[02:50] <Bukkake> crossover office?
[02:50] <SeamusLP> qscd:  However you must pay for crossover office
[02:51] <djm62> qscd: I haven't used it on ubuntu, but I have seen it work in wine
[02:51] <_troy> SeamusLP: still looking
[02:51] <qscd> k thanks dawgs
[02:51] <SeamusLP> _troy:  If it's too much of a request don't worry about it
[02:51] <SeamusLP> djm62:  Vanilla wine?
[02:51] <jordanau> djm62, do you have any experience with vector linux?
[02:52] <djm62> SeamusLP: wine on MDK...couple of years ago
[02:52] <Bukkake> SeamusLP: Heh.. what's crossover office?
[02:52] <waseem> im trying to play tuxracer but its really laggy
[02:52] <djm62> jordanau: none at all...feather linux has worked for me as a keychain distro
[02:52] <waseem> does anyone know what i can do?
[02:53] <djm62> waseem: it seems that you don't have Direct Rendering (graphics acceleration) enabled
[02:53] <delltony> hi anyone had any luck getting a lt winmodem working with ubuntu i noticed there is a package in the repository called linux restricted modules that has ltmodem in it. i'm just wondering after apt-getting it do i have to do anything special to get it to work like modprobin or what have you
[02:53] <SeamusLP> Bukkake:  Typing your name gives me an unpleasant feeling.  Crossover office is designed to emulate common windows applications extremely well
[02:53] <Bukkake> Kinda like wine?
[02:54] <Bukkake> It's my "auto-name," sorry, forgot to change it
[02:54] <SeamusLP> Yes, only improved.  It's concentrated for certain tasks, like cedega
[02:54] <SeamusLP> you can run microsoft office, photoshop 7, quicktime, itunes, quicken, etc really well with it
[02:54] <eruin> "MMM, Bukkake"? :P
[02:55] <_troy> SeamusLP: no trouble at all, I am just not as organized as I would like to be
[02:55] <MMM> I didn't want to go back to my very "original" nick . . . 'cuz I know some mature people in some mature channels ;\ first thing that came to my mind..
[02:55] <MMM> SeamusLP: It's not a "renamed" wine now, is it?
[02:55] <SeamusLP> MMM what's that now?
[02:56] <MMM> "wine," I think was another something  . . . that could enable Linux users to use MS products
[02:56] <slurpas> when i trie to write  here (swe chars) they do normal, but when i ssh in..there is a 1 chare delay before they come on the screen.. anyone know how to fix?
[02:56] <djm62> SeamusLP: the best wine integration I've seen was on SuSe: insert "multimedia" CD, automatically installs quicktime and puts it in the taskbar, and plays the CD
[02:56] <slurpas> (and i cant type them in the vi editor)
[02:56] <vs_zach> hey
[02:56] <SeamusLP> MMM:  Like I said, it's basically wine improved for certain applications...
[02:56] <vs_zach> whats the dpkg command to uninstall
[02:56] <SeamusLP> MMM:  If you're a member you can vote for future supported applications, and donate to certain applications to get them supported
[02:57] <djm62> vs_zach: apt-get remove xxxxxxx
[02:57] <MMond> Ohh, must had missed that one message, sorry
[02:57] <RustyShackleford> Is there a program for ubuntu like WinBar for windows?
[02:57] <vs_zach> no
[02:57] <vs_zach> not apt
[02:57] <vs_zach> dpkg
[02:57] <eruin> god damn
[02:57] <djm62> vs_zach: oh, hang on
[02:57] <SeamusLP> djm62:  Cool.  Does quicktime work well with wine now?
[02:57] <eruin> rhythmbox-merge--0.9 doesnt like breezy ;)
[02:57] <delltony> dpkg deinstall
[02:57] <eruin> quicktime works fine with xine :o
[02:58] <djm62> SeamusLP: it did then...worked perfectly
[02:58] <djm62> that was suse 9.1
[02:58] <danwolf> hello
[02:58] <MMond> But anyways . . . uhm, so I've been using Linux for my first two weeks now . . . and I'm ready to start using this as my primary desktop machine . . . could someone give me a few good pointers? Is it advisable for me to use some of the virtual terminals for . . . say, irssi? Common browing? And anything else I should now? Some tips and tricks for common use and such?
[02:58] <danwolf> I need a little help with a hardware problem
[02:58] <danwolf> can someone give me a hand?
[02:59] <djm62> and macromedia are (reputedly) testing flash creator stuff on wine
[02:59] <SeamusLP> djm62 SuSE 9.1 was the first linux I used.  As a joke I typed notepad into the run dialogue and you won't guess what came up... heh
[02:59] <delltony> dpkg -r whatever the packagenameyou want  (try man dpkg for more information )
[02:59] <slez> need i to install some programs to get a connect whit my windows hdd ?
[02:59] <danwolf> When I login to gnome occasionally I get an error Failed to initialize hal
[02:59] <RustyShackleford> Basically i'm just looking for a Network Meter, CPU Meter, and some other stuff.
[03:01] <SeamusLP> djm62 I think it was notepad running under wine.  Pretty useless, heh.
[03:01] <djm62> MMond: whatever you're most comfortable with...I prefer to stay in X these days, I used to keep a root shell open on tty1 to discreetly install/configure stuff
[03:01] <danwolf> only way to recover is to reboot
[03:01] <djm62> SeamusLP: that's INSANE
[03:01] <_troy> SeamusLP: I found some reviews @ Linux Journal, but they are too old, the one I read was in 2004
[03:01] <djm62> I'm going to have to try it, if I ever use SuSe again
[03:02] <danwolf> I unplugged my pioneer DVD rom and it seems to fix the hal problem, but now my gdm is occasionally locking up
[03:02] <danwolf> I need my DVDrom of course
[03:02] <danwolf> can anyone give me a hand with it?
[03:03] <MMond> djm62: Another problem is my laptop is 266 mhz.. installed Ubuntu on this for mere experimenting with Linux (started because I wanted to LAMP working.. I got LAP working instead.. but.. I'm getting there..) in the circumstances (266 mhz laptop) is it advisable for me to login in another virtual terminal and multi-task in those terms?
[03:03] <kisielk> MMond: shouldn't be any problem
[03:03] <RustyShackleford> Anybody know where I can get a program to monitor CPU and other things?
[03:03] <kisielk> MMond: console mode isn't exactly processor or memory intensive
[03:03] <SeamusLP> _troy:  Oh well
[03:03] <Jet2k5> hello can someone help me set up my home server?
[03:03] <kisielk> RustyShackleford: gkrellm ?
[03:03] <SeamusLP> _troy:  You don't remember the magazine name, do you?
[03:03] <Jet2k5> it's not working anymore was working fine under warty
[03:04] <danwolf> kisielk: can you help me with my problem?
[03:04] <_troy> SeamusLP: bah, I just can't find it.  I think they reviewed gnucash, maybe moneydance and several others
[03:04] <djm62> MMond: install "screen" I think
[03:04] <kisielk> danwolf: depends what your problem is
[03:04] <ratius> I've got a question, where can i get SSH?
[03:04] <MMond> !ping
[03:04] <kisielk> danwolf: and how patient you are :P
[03:04] <kisielk> ratius: should be installed by default.. openssh
[03:04] <djm62> _troy: was it Linux Format?
[03:04] <danwolf> kisielk: When loggin into gnome I get a failed to initialize hal problem
[03:04] <_troy> SeamusLP: has to be Linux Magazine (linux-magazine.com) or Linux Journal, only 2 I get
[03:05] <kisielk> danwolf: can't help you there, I don't use Gnome
[03:05] <danwolf> kisielk: this seems to go away when I unplug my pioneer dvdrom
[03:05] <danwolf> well I dont think its a gnome thing
[03:05] <MMond> Mmm, screen? Is it a terminal for X?
[03:05] <danwolf> its a hal thing
[03:05] <kisielk> MMond: screen is a terminal multiplexer
[03:05] <danwolf> when I unplug my dvd rom it goes away, but now gdm locks occasionally
[03:05] <_troy> SeamusLP: but the slant was toward business, talked about quickbooks, was perfect for what you need
[03:05] <kisielk> danwolf: never seen such a problem
[03:06] <SeamusLP> _troy:  I'll dig around for some guides.  I may also experiment with qemu.
[03:06] <xhypno> I have a problem with my new laptop, and I was wondering if someone could help. This is not an install problem, I am very experienced with Linux. The distro is working perfectly, the problem is with the LEDs on the System. Under XP the WiFi on/off light works perfectly, under Linux it does not. If I cat /sys/bus/pci/drivers/ipw2200/*/rf_kill it shows a value of 0 when the WiFi is active and 2 if it is inactive. I am trying to find out how windo
[03:06] <danwolf> I only saw one other person with the problem, but they said putting a line in my kernel section of grub menu.lst would fix it, and it didnt
[03:06] <_troy> SeamusLP: ok, sorry I couldn't find it, luck
[03:06] <SeamusLP> _troy:  No prob man, thanks for giving it a shot
[03:07] <kisielk> danwolf: I've never had any problems with DVD or CDRoms.. neither IDE nor SCSI..
[03:07] <danwolf> _troy: can you give me a hand?
[03:07] <_troy> danwolf: sure, I can try
[03:07] <danwolf> _troy: thanks
[03:07] <MMond> "terminal multiplexer" o.0 . . . I'm confused, could you present a scenerio for this? These days . . . I often use gnome-terminal for most uses . . . open tabs, when I'm man'ing through pages . . . or using irssi instead of xchat (avoiding using xchat because it eats a lot of memory..)
[03:08] <MacIver> hey, since ubuntu already has gnome '2.10.1' why doesn't gnome.org?
[03:08] <kisielk> MMond: basically you don't need to use tabs
[03:08] <danwolf> _troy: as I said to kisielk I get an error failed to initialize hal when I loginto gnome
[03:08] <kisielk> MMond: lets you have multiple terminals in one terminal
[03:08] <kisielk> MMond: whether you are SSH'd in, or whatever
[03:08] <SeamusLP> MacIver:  I thought it was 2.10.0?
[03:08] <kisielk> MMond: also you can detatch your session and reattach elsewhere
[03:08] <xhypno> Come on, someone has to have a suggestion?
[03:08] <danwolf> _troy: I disconnected my Pioneer DVD rom and it seems to fix it, but now my machine locks up occasionally
[03:08] <danwolf> _troy: I need my DVD rom though
[03:09] <MacIver> SeamusLP: release announcement said 2.10.1
[03:09] <djm62> MacIver: odd number-unstable release?
[03:09] <danwolf> _troy: I do see an error occasionally about Fatal: Module ide_mod not found when I boot up
[03:09] <MacIver> no, all 2.10.x are stable
[03:09] <danwolf> _troy: any ideas?
[03:09] <MacIver> 2.11 is not stable
[03:10] <_troy> danwolf: ok, let me think a bit
[03:10] <danwolf> _troy: thank you
[03:10] <SeamusLP> MacIver:  When I click system -> about gnome I get version 2.10.0
[03:10] <danwolf> I will answer any questions you have
[03:10] <MacIver> SeamusLP: odd
[03:10] <bwlang> xhypno: i  think that led is probably controlled by a bit in nvram ... you could have a look at madwifi to see how they do it  - i don't now how to dump nvram from windows but you could compare a dump from windows to a dump in linux
[03:11] <xhypno> bwlang: thanks for the suggestion, I am going try now
[03:11] <_troy> danwolf: 2.6.10 kernel?
[03:11] <MacIver> http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2005-April/000023.html
[03:11] <danwolf> lemme look
[03:11] <MacIver> it says 2.10.1
[03:12] <danwolf> _troy: lemme look
[03:12] <danwolf> _troy: whats the command to find that?
[03:12] <_troy> danwolf: uname -a
[03:12] <danwolf> oh
[03:13] <danwolf> forgot -a
[03:13] <Obsidians> When I try to do "apt-get install build-essential" it says "Need to get 0B/2562kB of archives." and then gets to "0% [Working] " and then doesn't do anything. I need to install that package, what do I do?
[03:13] <danwolf> _troy: Linux foshizzle 2.6.10-5-386 #1 Tue Apr 5 12:12:40 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
[03:13] <_troy> danwolf: kk
[03:13] <danwolf> _troy: foshizzle is my computer name ;)
[03:13] <danwolf> _troy: thanks
[03:13] <SeamusLP> MacIver:  No clue.
[03:13] <vaiux> anyone happen to be using a wpc54g ver2 pcmcia card succesfully? :)
[03:13] <MMond> Sorry about the delayed responce -- cleaning and computing at the same time. Anyways . . . I can't imagine, how one could multi-task in such means . . . without something conceptual alike tabs . . . I'm gonna be a nub and google image it for a sec here ;D
[03:14] <_troy> dandwolf: I like it :)
[03:14] <danwolf> _troy: check your pm's
[03:14] <MMond> Could you please give me some more precise keywords? "screen" that's way too general for google to capture..
[03:14] <LycoN> When I type fglrxinfo i get Mesa 3d stuff as my OpenGl stuff when it should be my ATI gcard.  Can anyone help me.
[03:14] <RustyShackleford> How do I get GKrellM?
[03:15] <MMond> screen - screen manager with VT100/ANSI terminal emulation  <-- that it?
[03:15] <MMond> RustyShackleford: apt-get install gkrellm
[03:15] <MMond> (I think, I'm a nub, but I guess that's probably how)
[03:15] <pimaniac> mmond: gnu screen? :)
[03:16] <djm62> MMond: that's it...very useful too
[03:16] <RustyShackleford> Couldn't find the file.
[03:16] <|QuaD-> MMond: man screen
 MMond: install "screen" I think <kisielk> MMond: screen is a terminal multiplexer
[03:16] <djm62> MMond: you need to learn how to use it, then you can do clever stuff
[03:16] <qcompson> anyone here have a problem with Render Accel and nvidia drivers?
[03:17] <xhypno> Any one use the actual intel pro/wireless linux drivers
[03:17] <MMond> |QuaD-: Now, I don't (think) I have that installed . . . should the man page of it still be existent?
[03:17] <LycoN> How do I change my FGLRXINFO from saying I am rendering with Mesa 3D stuff and rendering with my ATI Radeon 9800 Pro.  When i do glxgears i get 180 fps.. Plz help
[03:17] <eruin> qcompson: if you're talking corrupted text in xchat, then yes
[03:17] <|QuaD-> MMond: then apt-get install screen
[03:17] <MMond> Heheh, I should really start trying out stuff before asking stupid questions :o  - screen man, at least, is available
[03:17] <MMond> Got it, thanks
[03:18] <djm62> MMond: did you type "screen" and nothing happened?
[03:18] <RustyShackleford> It didn't work MMond.
[03:18] <LycoN> How do I change my FGLRXINFO from saying I am rendering with Mesa 3D stuff and rendering with my ATI Radeon 9800 Pro.  When i do glxgears i get 180 fps.. Plz help
[03:18] <MMond> man screen, I meant . . . and it worked
[03:18] <ChunderButter> hey
[03:18] <ChunderButter> I'm up and runing Ubuntu :)
[03:18] <MMond> And just typed screen as well . . . I've got it. sorry for the stupid questioning on my part :x
[03:19] <djm62> :-D
[03:19] <qcompson> eruin: actually, full system freeze, but mouse moves
[03:19] <MMond> O . . . kay. So . . . uhh, I typed "screen" and just gave me some legal notices . . . and I'm back to normality?
[03:19] <rmilun> si hope after several hours more,i will install stupid modem
[03:19] <kingsley> Epson's technical support said my print might start printing cyan again if I replaced a competitor's BLACK cartridge with one of theirs. It didn't. Now black doesn't print either!
[03:19] <MMond> I do have tabs opened . . . now should I hit my road to man screen?
[03:19] <slez> have ubuntu irissi?
[03:19] <kingsley> I've have three Epson printers in about as many years and suspect I should consider switching vendors.
[03:19] <MaCaDe> Question: does yaboot on the Mac/PowerPC work the same way as lilo on the PC/i386, in that you need to run it every time you make a change to the kernel or initrd?
[03:19] <Obsidians> When I try to do "apt-get install build-essential" it says "Need to get 0B/2562kB of archives." and then gets to "0% [Working] " and then doesn't do anything. I need to install that package, what do I do?
[03:20] <eruin> qcompson: oh, you might wanna search nvnews.com for that - I'm sure I saw a fix for it over there
[03:20] <djm62> slez: apt-cache search irssi says...
[03:20] <eruin> you want irssi-text
[03:20] <SkyNet> hello just installed ubuntu just wanted to say VERY good work..
[03:20] <djm62> ...what eruin says
[03:20] <elis> is it possible to copy all settings/options from one user profile to another?
[03:21] <RustyShackleford> How do I get GKrellM
[03:21] <SkyNet> most user friendly linux i have ever seen
[03:21] <elis> i've just created a new user and i want to copy all the settings over so i can delete the old user
[03:21] <slez> this - irssi-snapshot - The irssi IRC client (Development version) ?
[03:21] <SeamusLP> SkyNet:  We're just the peons who help people.  I think you want ubuntu-dev or something :)
[03:22] <djm62> elis: tar -czvf oldhome.tgz ~/.*
[03:22] <nickrud> Obsidians: have you tried synaptic?
[03:22] <LycoN> How do I change my FGLRXINFO from saying I am rendering with Mesa 3D stuff and rendering with my ATI Radeon 9800 Pro.  When i do glxgears i get 180 fps.. Plz help
[03:23] <Obsidians> nickrud: Yep. It just hangs at 0% as well. I think that it thinks it's already downloaded it, or something, when really it hasn't. It says 0/2555kb to download, but then doesn't do anythign.
[03:23] <elis> djm62: forgive me newbieness, but what exactly does that command do?
[03:23] <thanatosys> hey hey hey everyone
[03:23] <Obsidians> nickrud: I also tried apt-get clean, but that didn't help.
[03:23] <thanatosys> hmm interesting about the mouse
[03:24] <djm62> elis: oh, sorry....that would create a tar file (archive) of all of your files starting with . (configuration files)
[03:24] <thanatosys> does anyone have an ipod
[03:24] <thanatosys> ?
[03:24] <thanatosys> with an fm transmitter
[03:24] <djm62> elis: which you could then unpack in your new $HOME with tar -xzvf oldhome.tgz
[03:25] <nickrud> does apt-get install anything?  (like apt-get install gkrellm)
[03:25] <djm62> nickrud: yes
[03:25] <djm62> nickrud: the extent to which it gets set up for ubuntu depends on the repository...official stuff works better
[03:25] <SeamusLP> nickrud:  The command does not lie
[03:25] <RustyShackleford> It won't install gkrellm for me.  It says it cannot find the file.
[03:26] <nickrud> command line feedback can obfuscate, though )
[03:27] <nickrud> gkrellm's in the universe repository
[03:27] <SeamusLP> Rusty you should probably add Universe Multiverse to your repository list
[03:27] <SeamusLP> It's a generally good idea for installing anything useful
[03:28] <djm62> so, are there no official/semi-official ubuntu people here?
[03:28] <nickrud> what I'd do (since my internet is fast) is cd /var/cache/apt/archives and rm -r *, and try installing again.
[03:28] <SeamusLP> djm62:  Like I said, we're the peons :)
[03:28] <pvoce> need some help with print
[03:29] <djm62> I guess if there were people being _paid_ to mooch around on IRC the peons would start grumbling ;)
[03:29] <senator32> how can i get plug and play flash drives to work in unbuntu
[03:29] <njan> senator32, they should work already.
[03:29] <djm62> senator32: have you tried just sticking it in?
[03:30] <senator32> yea ill try again
[03:30] <senator32> one sec
[03:30] <SeamusLP> djm62 heh I think the closest you'll get here are the ubuntu-motu people, the universe/multiverse package maintainers.
[03:30] <djm62> darkaudit: how's your bios battery?
[03:30] <MMond> I am entirely confused now . . . give a few starting pointers. I typed bluntly "screen" and I'm back to normal gnome-terminal . . . what do I want to do now? I was suggested to use this . . . but kinda confused what it'll achieve me
[03:30] <darkaudit> djm62: brand new mobo...
[03:30] <pvoce> I keep getting the /dev/lp0: permission denied error.....I ve checked the permissions, but I cant figure which is enedeng access..foomatic?  Cups? User?
[03:30] <djm62> MMond: type ctrl-a ctrl-h for a guide to commands
[03:30] <njan> elis, if you literally want to clone the user, you could just rename the /home folder and then change the permissions on it so the new user can access all the files..
[03:30] <senator32> well where does it mount the plug and play devices
[03:31] <darkaudit> but it is an Athlon XP 2500+ running as a 3200+
[03:31] <senator32> in other versions it puts the icon on the desktop
[03:31] <RustyShackleford> "what I'd do (since my internet is fast) is cd /var/cache/apt/archives and rm -r *, and try installing again."  Was that directed at me?
[03:31] <njan> elis, mv /home/OLDUSER /home/NEWUSER && chown -r NEWUSER /home/NEWUSER
[03:31] <senator32> (other linux distros that is)
[03:31] <nickrud> no, no!
[03:31] <hua> when i install software from unofficial repositor, she told me unauthenticated packages. can i choice continue anyway
[03:31] <djm62> MMond: screen is running, it's just unobtrusive...
[03:31] <MaCaDe> MMond: with 'screen' you can have several terminals within one, you're actually in screen now even if you can't see it - type ctrl-a h for help
[03:31] <MMond> djm62: At blung normal gnome-screen?
[03:31] <MMond> Alright
[03:31] <MMond> blunt*
[03:31] <djm62> MMond: it's running...you just don't realise
[03:31] <RustyShackleford> Damn, I did it.
[03:31] <darkaudit> djm62: would running powernowd on a desktop machine be an issue at all?
[03:32] <senator32> abyone....where does ubuntu mount the plug and play flash drives so that I can access the information
[03:32] <nickrud> you need to update your repository so you can get the good stuff,
[03:32] <MaCaDe> MMond: for gnome-temrinal i'd just open another window instead of using screen, though.. unless you want to be able to detach a terminal session, log off, then reattach it when logging on. that's only possible with screen.
[03:32] <SeamusLP> MMond:  Try the antidesktop http://freshmeat.net/articles/view/581/
[03:32] <elis> thanks so much djm62 and njan. will have a go now
[03:32] <eruin> dark: no, it's justnot work ;)
[03:32] <eruin> it'd*
[03:32] <pvoce> sneator: try /mnt
[03:32] <djm62> senator32: ISTR it's /media/
[03:32] <Obsidians> What's the easiest way to burn an ISO from Ubuntu?
[03:32] <RustyShackleford> How do I add Universe Multiverse to my repository.
[03:32] <senator32> ill look
[03:33] <nickrud> try inside synaptic, settings->repositories->add->Community maintained
[03:33] <djm62> Obsidians: navigate to the ISO with the normal file manager, right-click on it
[03:33] <MMond> I tried hitting Ctrl + A and Ctrl + H . . . nothing happens, and it's acting weird now. Do I essentially treat it and give commands as I would to gnome-terminal at its normal state?
[03:33] <SeamusLP> MMond I think it has some decent info on screen.  I don't think you'll want to use ratpoison, though :)
[03:34] <senator32> its not mounted in /media
[03:34] <djm62> SeamusLP: do you know if the key commands in gnome and screen conflict?
[03:34] <MMond> Heh.. I'm lost, what are you talking about?
[03:35] <SeamusLP> djm62:  I've used it before in gnome, never had any conflicts.
[03:36] <MMond> I'm gonna go google and try and see if I can get some very basic stuff to clear out my crazy ideas and go at it fresh again. thanks though
[03:36] <djm62> MMond: I'm sorry: I lied to you: press ctrl-a ? to get the commands
[03:36] <elis> njan: will  cp /home/OLDUSER /home/NEWUSER && chown -r NEWUSER /home/NEWUSER work just as well?
[03:36] <SeamusLP> djm62 ctrl-a could be a problem I suppose, but when I (or my roommate who just asked) used it under gnome we never had a problem
[03:36] <senator32> anybody know how to get the plug and play drives installed and mounted
[03:36] <senator32> i still cant see it
[03:36] <MaCaDe> MMond: woops. yes, it's ctrl-a ? (i copied the wrong info)
[03:36] <MMond> djm62: "Ctrl + A + ?" exactly then? Those three keys?
[03:37] <MaCaDe> MMond: first hold down CTRL and type A, then release CTRL and type ?
[03:37] <djm62> MMond: ctrl and A at the same time, then ?  (that key above /)
[03:37] <senator32> do i have to command line mount the flash drive?
[03:37] <djm62> senator32: you shouldn't have to
[03:37] <senator32> i figured
[03:37] <MMond> Got that working . . .
[03:37] <jawsh> Does anyone know how to get rid of the mystery tritech tr28602 that keeps reappearing in OSS despite the fact that I don't actually have one of these cards? I can
[03:37] <senator32> how
[03:38] <djm62> senator32: have you tried the Places menu?
[03:38] <senator32> no
[03:38] <jawsh> I can't get jack to work since it is stealing a slot
[03:38] <senator32> places menu
[03:38] <senator32> hmm
[03:38] <senator32> where is the places menu
[03:38] <RustyShackleford> So I create a new repository.  What URl, distribution, and sections?  Binary or source?
[03:39] <djm62> at the top of the screen towards the left
[03:39] <djm62> 2nd from the left
[03:39] <senator32> what
[03:39] <MaCaDe> MMond: now you can create new terminal sessions with Ctrl-A C, and switch between them with Ctrl-A P (previous) and Ctrl-A N (next).
[03:39] <senator32> oh im running kde
[03:39] <djm62> jawsh: is it a winmodem?
[03:39] <noxlord> Anyone know how to switch to runlevel 3 ? the standart command "init 3" does not work.
[03:39] <djm62> senator32: are you running kubuntu? or ubuntu-with-kde?
[03:39] <MMond> Okay . . . so it's a more . . . "diverse" (although still not quite right the word it is) terminal? I can do several things at once -- with lots of keyboard short cuts? For example.. while I have irssi open . . . I can go about another keyboard shortcut-- and within the same terminal, do another thing?
[03:39] <senator32> ubuntu with kde
[03:39] <nickrud> for now, turn off all the source, and turn on everything eles.
[03:40] <MaCaDe> MMond: kind of like that, yes. screen is basically a windowing system that works without windows.
[03:40] <MaCaDe> MMond: you can even use it on bare terminal screens, you do not need any graphical interface.
[03:41] <MMond> MaCaDe: Sorry to be bringing irssi in this so much . . . but, so it is very alike irssi then . . . for example, going through different channels by pressing Ctrl + P (not even sure if that is the correct shortcut.. but whatever it is, that toggles through channel windows..)
[03:41] <djm62> senator32: if I were you, I'd attach an icon to the mount command and stick it on a toolbar
[03:41] <senator32> k
[03:41] <MaCaDe> MMond: a big advantage is that you can detach a session (Ctrl-A D), then log off, then return to the session later with "screen -r".
[03:41] <djm62> senator32: or possibly kubuntu has a more integrated KDE HAL
[03:41] <senator32> i may just install kbuntu
[03:41] <senator32> is it as nice as unbunti
[03:41] <senator32> *unbuntu
[03:42] <MaCaDe> MMond: that's ok, i'm not familiar with irssi, but it's nice to know a program that works in a similar way.
[03:42] <senator32> *ubuntu
[03:42] <senator32> god
[03:42] <tweek> hello?
[03:42] <noxlord> yo
[03:42] <MMond> A more random question: (I'll back on topic after a sec here) the virtual terminals . . . do they all interconnect real-time? I mean . . . can I essentially copy and paste stuff through them? (an odd example.. but should do for now)
[03:43] <MMond> MaCaDe: irssi the IRC client.. I always thought it was the most prominent Linux IRC client . . . I don't know, maybe BX works that way as well . . .
[03:43] <tweek> im still having trouble with my onboard soundcard, is there anything else i can do?
[03:43] <senator32> djm62 : thanks for youre help im downloading kbuntu
[03:43] <djm62> senator32: I couldn't tell you, about kubuntu, but I think it would be better-integrated
[03:43] <abarbaccia> hey, how do i change the icons in the menu's?  i installed thunderbird and the icons are not showing up
[03:44] <RustyShackleford> I've got it.  Did I cause any damages by doing this "cd /var/cache/apt/archives and rm -r *"
[03:44] <eruin> http://appelsinjuice.org/rb9.png <-- now that's the shit ;)
[03:44] <astro76> senator32: you can install it from ubuntu, sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[03:44] <senator32> djm62 i was just interested wetehr or not it had the "portage-ish" install system
[03:44] <senator32> oh
[03:44] <senator32> thx
 MMond: now you can create new terminal sessions with Ctrl-A C, and switch between them with Ctrl-A P (previous) and Ctrl-A N (next).   <-- can I close them with just a "exit" normal exit at one
[03:45] <nickrud> not really, that's were ubuntu keeps  debs you've downloaded. You just need to download them again if you ever reinstall.
[03:45] <hua> how can i listen internet radio
[03:45] <SeamusLP> hua:  Have you tried rhythmbox?
[03:45] <senator32> djm62 ok another question, i realize that i can use sudo, but is there a way to actually log on as root
[03:45] <senator32> ?
[03:46] <rmilun> senator32,yes,i am using a root
[03:46] <djm62> senator: sudo passwd, and set a root passwd
[03:46] <rmilun> it works
[03:46] <RustyShackleford> O.K. I downloaded and installed GKrewl, so where will it be.  I can't find it in the Menu.
[03:46] <senator32> awsome
[03:46] <djm62> rmilun: are you fixed now?
[03:46] <hua> SeamusLP: let me try it
[03:47] <djm62> senator32: anything debian-ish has the good good install system
[03:47] <nickrud> ubuntu doen't put a lot of universe stuff in it's menu. install menu & menu-xdg, and you'll get the debian menu, it has everything:)
[03:47] <SeamusLP> hua you may have to get the gstreamer0-mad package from apt. Gives you support for more music types
[03:47] <senator32> thanks all
[03:48] <senator32> i had used many distros of linux i was just new to ubuntu and im loving it
[03:48] <pvoce> ARRGGHHH
[03:49] <rmilun> i am new,i installed ubuntu today,i am trying to set up my modem for couple of hours now....i am not so happy,in slackware it took about minute or so :)
[03:49] <rmilun> so senator32,consider yourself lucky :)
[03:49] <hua> SeamusLP: i have installed rhythmbox and gstreamer0-mad, how can i start it
[03:49] <pvoce> which user neds acess to the /dev/lp0 file so I can print????
[03:49] <djm62> only takes one bit of hardware to make it all go tits-up :-/
[03:49] <MaCaDe> MMond: sorry, got distracted. Yes, you can close them with 'exit' after creating them with Ctrl-A C.
[03:50] <|QuaD-> anyone know when breezy's sync with sid will resume?
[03:50] <senator32> thx all
[03:50] <abarbaccia> hey, anybody know how to get into the menu editor?  to add new programs to menus?
[03:50] <SeamusLP> hua applications - > sound and video -> Music Player
[03:50] <tweek> just drag the icon
[03:50] <tweek> of the launcher
[03:50] <SeamusLP> Click on radio on the side... you may want to look for shoutcast servers
[03:50] <abarbaccia> tweek, its more of being able to change the icons in the menu's
[03:51] <tweek> o,
[03:51] <tweek> try a theme?
[03:51] <MMond> MaCaDe: Got it . . . thanks. Still kinda unfamiliar with this . . . but I'll try using it for the next few days 'til I get familiar with this.. I think this is what I wanted
[03:51] <MaCaDe> MMond: try reading the screen manual page (man screen).. all the info is in there.
[03:51] <MMond> MaCaDe: And I almost am where I thought I never would be . . . going at it with complete CLI
[03:51] <tweek> does anyone know how to manually configure a sound card?
[03:51] <SeamusLP> hua you can add a station you've found by going to Music -> New Internet Radio Station
[03:51] <MaCaDe> MMond: aha... well, good luck :)
[03:52] <MMond> MaCaDe: I mean.. using my desktop as complete CLI . . . (recently found w3m . . . and I was like :OOOOOOO) everything working pleasently now
[03:53] <MaCaDe> MMond: you can also try booting without any GUI (runlevel 3) and be in total CLI heaven ;)
[03:53] <ZuMM> Please, how can I write in a vfat partiton with a normal user?
[03:53] <RustyShackleford> How do I install the Debian Menu again?
[03:54] <MMond> MaCaDe: How exactly do I do that? Without a click . . . I start off to GUI . . .
[03:54] <djm62> MaCaDe: runlevel 3?
[03:54] <crimsun> RustyShackleford: install menu and menu-xdg
[03:54] <djm62> on debian?
[03:54] <MaCaDe> djm62: hmm. i guess not.. sorry, i come straight from slackware :)
[03:54] <darGor> the menu of aplicattions-system, etc is in the left side, how fuck i can put it up again?? im trying' but i can't!
[03:55] <darGor> cant move it!
[03:55] <hua> SeamusLP: can you tell me a station , thanks.
[03:55] <djm62> MaCaDe: always with the runlevel 2 here
[03:55] <MaCaDe> djm62: ok, thanks
[03:55] <crimsun> darGor: middle click and drag
[03:55] <SeamusLP> hua:  Check out shoutcast
[03:55] <crimsun> darGor: (if you don't have a "middle," use primary and secondary simultaneously)
[03:55] <MaCaDe> MMond: as root, try typing 'init 2' - system will basically reboot everything but the kernel and you'll get a text login prompt
[03:55] <djm62> MaCaDe: 3,4, and 5 are yours to play with as you want
[03:55] <SeamusLP> hua: http://www.shoutcast.com/
[03:56] <crimsun> argh. Please stop telling people to play runlevel games. Ubuntu, like Debian, treats 2-5 identically.
[03:56] <MaCaDe> djm62: ok, thanks
[03:56] <SeamusLP> hua:  click on "tune in" when you find a radio station, select rhythmbox to open the playlist
[03:56] <RustyShackleford> It says menu-xdg is not a directory
[03:56] <darGor> crimsun: yes, appears the hand, but i can't move it, dunno why
[03:56] <nate> meh
[03:56] <SeamusLP> hua: if it's not in the firefox list you can browse to /usr/bin/ then type in rhythmbox and hit enter
[03:56] <crimsun> darGor: make sure you didn't select the Lock option
[03:56] <nate> I'm still getting 'bad header line' when I try to do an apt-get install
[03:56] <MMond> MaCaDe: Gotcha . . . so then on the 7th virtual terminal, X won't be initiated? If I wanted to -- I could "start x" and be back at normal, right? And is this a one-time thing, or will this reset that as default? If yes, what would I have to do to get back to default as it is now?
[03:56] <nate> anyone else getting this?
[03:56] <crimsun> darGor: secondary-click and check
[03:56] <darGor> crimsun: thanks i'll check that
[03:57] <MaCaDe> MMond: one-time thing.. not sure how to make it the default under debian/ubuntu, maybe someone else here knows.
[03:57] <crimsun> MaCaDe: (the above was addressed to you RE: runlevels)
[03:58] <djm62> MMond: ubuntu is from a different "family tree" to slackware, and doesn't work like that
[03:58] <MaCaDe> crimsun: OK, I stand corrected.
[03:58] <MaCaDe> MMond: please forget what i said :)  can someone please explain to MMond how he boots in text-only mode?
[03:58] <darGor> crimsun: not locked.. dunno why i can't move it. it's big big in the left side. i want it up and llitle, by defect.. but tryng to move and nothing
[03:59] <crimsun> MMond: there are a few ways to not start gdm|kdm on startup - try, for instance, renaming the /etc/rc2.d/*gdm symlink, or use update-rc.d, or change the default display manager, or ...
[03:59] <RustyShackleford> Where do I enter install menu and menu-xdg at?
[03:59] <djm62> what is the non-kludgy way to do it?
[03:59] <djm62> update-rc.d :)
[04:00] <nickrud> rusty - in synaptic again, control-f to search for 'menu'
[04:01] <djm62> crimsun: although would "mv /etc/rc2.d/S20gdm /etc/rc2.d/K20gdm" produce a useful "gdm not running" reminder each boot in case he wants to change it back?
[04:01] <crimsun> djm62: it'd probably be more useful to simply change /etc/X11/default-display-manager
[04:03] <darGor> crimsun: it's ok thanks =)
[04:03] <ZuMM> Please, how can set the /etc/fstab to leave normal user write and delete?
[04:05] <RustyShackleford> O.k. there installed.
[04:05] <vs_zach> hey
[04:05] <vs_zach> i installed a program via dpkg
[04:05] <vs_zach> and i want to remove it
[04:05] <vs_zach> how do i do this
[04:06] <djm62> dpkg -r package-name
[04:07] <djm62> ok?
[04:07] <chinaski> Hi yall
[04:08] <hua> SeamusLP: I meet trouble , and  i must reboot my computer. see you.
[04:08] <RustyShackleford> What next?
[04:09] <SeamusLP> hua:  ooookay
[04:09] <djm62> 0_0
[04:10] <nickrud> rusty, I just installed it myself, and don't see the menu :) Swore I saw it before the freeze.
[04:11] <nickrud> rusty, you should have a debian menu under applications now.
[04:12] <mikeco> mmm. margaritas
[04:13] <RustyShackleford> It does look different.  I see no GKrellM
[04:13] <ChiliDog> I have a problem...
[04:13] <ChiliDog> I just installed the latest version of Firefox, and now I can't open it.
[04:14] <nickrud> nope, neither do I
[04:14] <ChiliDog> Someone please help me.
[04:14] <djm62> ChiliDog: how did you install it?
[04:14] <ChiliDog> I converted the tarball  to a Debian package and installed it via the root terminal.
[04:14] <djm62> ChiliDog: do you mean, you can't open firefox, or that you get the older version?
[04:15] <ChiliDog> I can't open Firefox.
[04:15] <senator32> hey im using smb4k which is a samba based network browser, It browses the network and the from there i can mount drives, i keep getting this error "smbmnt must be installed suid root for direct user mounts" how can i fix this
[04:15] <nickrud> ok this is a useful trick. we know the name of the program, so alt-F2, and enter gkrellm
[04:16] <kalag> guys... what's the equivalent of ntsysv (fedora) in ubuntu?
[04:16] <djm62> senator32: you can use the command chmod +S `which smbmnt`
[04:16] <crimsun> kalag: there is none, though you can read update-rc.d's man page
[04:16] <RustyShackleford> That opened it.
[04:16] <djm62> senator32: note the "backwards quote marks"
[04:17] <kalag> thanks crimsun, i'll try that
[04:17] <djm62> (next to the 1 key on my keyboard)
[04:17] <senator32> what directory would i use the chmod on.....the network directory?
[04:17] <senator32> or the /mnt ot what
[04:17] <mom> Someone has a good linux FTP server?
[04:17] <djm62> senator32: "chmod +S `which smbmnt`"
[04:18] <djm62> senator32: just like that
[04:18] <senator32> oh ok
[04:18] <ChiliDog> Every time I click on the icon, I get the "Starting Firefox Web Broswer" bar in my taskbar, but then it disappears and Firefox doesn't show up.
[04:18] <Brazmetal> Does someone here use ubuntu hoary final, ADSL through router modem and static local Ip ?
[04:18] <crimsun> mom: try vsftpd
[04:18] <delltony> i have a question: never tried this before i have a usb external harddrive how in the heck do i get it to mount? not sure what the /dev is :(
[04:18] <gorilla_> mom: try proftpd
[04:18] <djm62> ChiliDog: do you need to be running the new firefox?
[04:18] <crimsun> delltony: did you try pmount /dev/sda1 ?
[04:18] <delltony> err sorry usb externel floppy
[04:18] <ChiliDog> It's not essential, no.
[04:18] <delltony> so pmount /dev/fd maybe?
[04:19] <crimsun> delltony: in that case, what does dmesg tell you regarding the floppy drive?
[04:19] <djm62> ChiliDog: you could remove the package and install the default one for the time being
[04:19] <shad0w1e> how do I temporarily disable the automounter?
[04:19] <ChiliDog> How do I do that?
[04:19] <delltony> aww i forgot to check there
[04:19] <delltony> hang on will do
[04:19] <crimsun> delltony: if it's usb, it'll use usb storage, so it should appear as /dev/sdXX
[04:19] <senator32> it says invaild string '+S
[04:19] <delltony> ok let me look at dmesg right fast
[04:19] <senator32> got it
[04:19] <senator32> thanks again
[04:19] <senator32> small s
[04:19] <kalag> crimsun: how about /etc/rc.d/rc.local ?
[04:20] <djm62> senator32: sorry...getting old and forgetful
[04:20] <pantz> i am having a shit of a time trying to compile a driver for my wireless card - i am a debian newbie - anyone available to help me out for a bit?
[04:20] <vs_zach> peace all
[04:20] <ChiliDog> It won't let me get into the "Add/Remove Programs" tool.
[04:20] <shad0w1e> QUESTION: how do I temporarily disable the automounter?
[04:20] <delltony> it looks like its sda
[04:20] <crimsun> kalag: nope.
[04:20] <crimsun> delltony: good, so you'd ''pmount /dev/sda1 something,,
[04:21] <djm62> ChiliDog: sudo dpkg -r mozilla-firefox&&sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[04:21] <tweek> pantz
[04:21] <crimsun> delltony: and it should appear under /media/something
[04:21] <tweek> what problems are you having?
[04:21] <delltony> nothings under media other than cdrom
[04:21] <kalag> crimsun: what's the ubuntu way of calling non-init.d scripts during bootup then?
[04:21] <pantz> tweek, firstly do i need linux-headers-2.6.10-5 package or linux-source package?
[04:22] <tweek> source most likely
[04:22] <pantz> i am confused b/n the two
[04:22] <tweek> i just go for source
[04:22] <crimsun> kalag: man update-rc.d
[04:22] <pantz> ok so i install it with synaptic and then unbzip in /usr/src
[04:22] <crimsun> kalag: put the script in /etc/init.d/, then use update-rc.d to create the runlevel symlinks
[04:23] <ChiliDog> Not working.  It won't let me delete Firefox because of dependencies.
[04:23] <tweek> o, if your going thru synaptic just get the binary
[04:23] <pantz> which gives me /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.10
[04:23] <djm62> ChiliDog: aptitude remove firefox
[04:23] <pantz> tweek, what is the binary called?
[04:23] <tweek> not sure i will look
[04:23] <ChiliDog> I'm missing a library needed to run Aptitude
[04:24] <djm62> ChiliDog: apt-get remove firefox?
[04:24] <ChiliDog> nope.
[04:24] <tweek> Pantz what type of pcmia card do you have?
[04:24] <delltony> cool deal thanks crimsun i learned something today
[04:24] <djm62> ChiliDog: did you install via an unusual method?
[04:24] <kalag> crimsun: got it, thanks again
[04:24] <delltony> appreciate it
[04:24] <ChiliDog> I just installed Ubuntu a few hours ago, so I can just reformat and try again...  Thanks, though.
[04:25] <pantz> tweek, well it is actually a ralink rt2500 onboard chipset
[04:25] <tweek> ok,
[04:25] <crimsun> delltony: / kalag: np
[04:25] <djm62> ChiliDog: you shouldn't have to do that, but I can't figure out what's happening with your system
[04:25] <pantz> they have open source drivers for it but you need to compile
[04:25] <djm62> damn!
[04:25] <tweek> i dont see anything for that :|
[04:25] <hua> SeamusLP: I can't open shoutcast, then i try to open virgin radio classic rock. but she told me error could not open vfs file "http://www.smgradio.com/core/audio/ogg/live.pls?service=vcbb" for reading. what's wrong
[04:25] <tweek> A,B, or G system?
[04:26] <pantz> tweek, g
[04:26] <posit> hola
[04:26] <djm62> damn windows madness
[04:26] <djm62> reinstall the whole OS because of a faulty program
[04:26] <tweek> pantz you said debian, do you mean ubuntu or debian itself?
[04:27] <pantz> tweek, there is a sourceforge project with drivers here - http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
[04:27] <pantz> tweek, ubuntu - but i guess compiling a module is the same under both?
[04:27] <posit> the default ubuntu install has a kernel bootsplash image, right?
[04:27] <tweek> yes
[04:27] <tweek> try "wireless tools
[04:27] <posit> I seem to have lost mine, somehow :|
[04:27] <JinxColor> how do you use apt-get to upgrade a specified module?
[04:27] <posit> any idea how I can reconfigure it?
[04:27] <tweek> "wireless-tools"
[04:28] <pantz> tweek, i have it installed
[04:28] <tweek> ok,
[04:28] <tweek> lets move on to compileing this driver
[04:28] <pantz> tweek, how do i try it?
[04:28] <pantz> oh ok
[04:28] <pantz> :)
[04:29] <tweek> lets download it and put it in our /home/pantz folder
[04:29] <tweek> extract it to that as well
[04:29] <pantz> tweek, done
[04:30] <tweek> one second, my download was corrupted ;)
[04:30] <JinxColor> anyone, how do you use apt-get to upgrade a specific module?
[04:30] <pantz> tweek, i took the cvs daily snapshot
[04:30] <pantz> tweek, apparently the releases are way behind now
[04:30] <tweek> ok will get that
[04:31] <djm62> hua: do you have gstreamer0.8-mad installed?
[04:31] <RustyShackleford> Nick, did you ever find out where gkrellm was located.  I'd like to add an icon for it on my desktop.
[04:31] <|QuaD-> is anyone in here a website/email/etc hosting provider and using ubuntu for their servers?
[04:31] <tweek> brb, pantz hang tight
[04:32] <djm62> RustyShackleford: run "which gkrellm" to find out
[04:32] <MaCaDe> JinxColor: I'm trying to figure it out and am surprised that the obvious "apt-get upgrade <package-name>" doesn't seem to work.
[04:32] <hua> djm62: yes. now i can listen france musiques
[04:32] <darGor> how to download Flash-Plugin for firefox ???
[04:32] <pantz> tweek, ok
[04:32] <JinxColor> MaCaDe : yes can anyone help us?
[04:33] <mrc3> totem, DVD, "Could not read from resource". does it ring any bells to anyone?
[04:33] <djm62> RustyShackleford: then you can right-click menu "Create Launcher"
[04:33] <astro76> darGor: http://ubuntuguide.org/#flash-mozilla
[04:33] <Coutsos> has anybody managed to get the "rhythmbox applet" to work under ubuntu warty?
[04:34] <tweek> ok cd /home/pantz/rt-2500-cvs-20050416/module pantz
[04:34] <tweek> make && sudo make install
[04:34] <Iamhe> help
[04:34] <nickrud> RustyShackleford: if you don't know the name dpkg -l | grep bin is your friend :)
[04:34] <Iamhe> I can't Mplayer to install
[04:34] <Iamhe> it has obsolete dependencies I cannot find
[04:35] <tweek> i wish they made lea&perins for sentences :\
[04:35] <darGor> astro76; thanks a lot
[04:35] <nickrud>  dpkg -l <package name>  | grep bin .  doh
[04:35] <djm62> tweek: sudan-one included ;)
[04:35] <pantz> tweek, b4 doing that - what do i need to setup source/header-wise in /usr/src?
[04:36] <tweek> i dont think its nessesary it should install useing the sudo make install command
[04:36] <Iamhe> he following packages have unmet dependencies:
[04:36] <Iamhe>   mplayer-586: Depends: libfontconfig1 (>= 2.3.0) but 2.2.3-4ubuntu7 is to be installed
[04:36] <Iamhe>                Depends: libvorbis0a (>= 1.1.0) but 1.0.1-1 is to be installed
[04:36] <Iamhe> E: Broken packages
[04:36] <Iamhe> I tried to get those packages
[04:36] <tweek> uhhh
[04:36] <Iamhe> but they are obsolete
[04:36] <MaCaDe> JinxColor: I think 'apt-get install' comes closest.. it upgrades the package in question plus all the dependencies.
[04:37] <tweek> or just google for the packages :\
[04:37] <astro76> Iamhe: http://ubuntuguide.org/#mplayer
[04:37] <MaCaDe> JinxColor: seems to be no way to upgrade just one package though. <shrug>
[04:37] <pantz> tweek, ok so i have done that and it is the same as what i have got previously ... ie. no errors - all looks ok
[04:37] <tweek> ok, test it out? :|
[04:37] <pantz> tweek, i would like to paste the output to show you but don't want to spam the channel
[04:38] <tweek> www.rafb.net/paste
[04:38] <JinxColor> MaCaDe : thats what I was thinking - when I download a "program" for linux - what should I pick as a distro if debian isn't an option
[04:38] <tweek> get source
[04:38] <tweek> :\
[04:38] <JinxColor> tweek : hmm, I'm noob how do you compile stuff
[04:38] <tweek> it depends
[04:39] <SeamusLP> JinxColor check the wiki
[04:39] <tweek> but im thinknig about makeing a newbs guide to it, it stumped the hell out of me when i first tried linux :)
[04:39] <djm62> JinxColor: generally, "./configure&&make&&make install"
[04:39] <pantz> tweek, i pasted there under nick pantz
[04:39] <tweek> ok
[04:39] <pantz> tweek, how do you go see it?
[04:40] <JinxColor> SeamusLP : ok, want too but where/what is that
[04:40] <tweek> ok it looks all good
[04:40] <djm62> JinxColor: google ubuntu wiki
[04:40] <MaCaDe> JinxColor: not sure what you mean - are you asking for suggestions for another distro to switch to?
[04:40] <SeamusLP> JinxColor:  Check it out, the wiki has a lot of great howto guides.  http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org
[04:40] <pharaonic_anubis> Does ubuntu have builtin support for .rar archives?
[04:40] <pantz> tweek, so now i try sudo modprobe rt2500
[04:40] <JinxColor> SeamusLP : thank you ! and djm62  you too
[04:40] <tweek> try try :)
[04:41] <pantz> pantz@arwen:~/rt2500-cvs-20050416/Module$ sudo modprobe rt2500
[04:41] <pantz> FATAL: Module rt2500 not found.
[04:41] <JinxColor> MaCaDe : no no, don't worry the others helped me
[04:41] <SysFail> no it doesnt...and I found out the rar in synaptic wont do alot of files
[04:41] <tweek> i cant help you much now i have no wireless to help you :\
[04:41] <SysFail> i had to run winrar in wine
[04:41] <djm62> pharaonic_anubis: no...you can run winrar under wine
[04:41] <djm62> why is rar so badly supported?
[04:41] <tweek> uhh
[04:41] <SysFail> wish i knew
[04:41] <tweek> its suppoerted great
[04:41] <pantz> tweek, why would modprobe not find it?
[04:41] <tweek> IMO
[04:41] <MaCaDe> JinxColor: maybe another way is to manually download the .deb in question, then use "dpkg --force-depend --install package.deb"
[04:41] <tweek> im not sure pantz :\
[04:41] <SeamusLP> djm62:  The rar package is perfect, in multiverse I believe
[04:41] <pharaonic_anubis> winrar under wine huh? sheesh... might as well just be running XP right now.
[04:42] <SysFail> its only managed to unrar about half the files ive used
[04:42] <SeamusLP> djm62:  It's shareware but it integrates nicely with fileroller
[04:42] <djm62> SeamusLP: why isn't there a FLOSS thing though?
[04:42] <SeamusLP> djm62: oh there is, but it sucks
[04:42] <Smeven> I am attempting to get my wpc54g wireless card, it claims the driver is acx (acx111), when i insert the pcmcia card it attempts to load the driver and create the device, but it only produces errors.
[04:43] <pantz> tweek, so you think from my output that it has compiled correctly and i have correctly done all that you can help me with ?
[04:43] <djm62> SeamusLP: for me, that counts as "badly supported": is there something especially difficult about rar files?
[04:43] <tweek> pantz it appears as tho it should work
[04:43] <SeamusLP> djm62:  It's proprietary?  I mean it's shareware but I don't think it's going to bug you
[04:43] <tweek> i will read more documentation
[04:43] <tweek> one moment
[04:44] <pharaonic_anubis> Getting cedega to actually run alot of stuff is ridiculously difficult.
[04:44] <SeamusLP> djm62:  The main problem with the free unrar is that it doesn't support rar 3.0
[04:44] <djm62> SeamusLP: so rar files are closed formats?
[04:44] <pantz> tweek, am i right in trying to do modprobe rt2500?
[04:45] <tweek> i dont know, try running "rt2500" and see if that is a command
[04:45] <SeamusLP> djm62 Yeah I'm pretty sure.... I mean I use the shareware... maybe I'll pay for it one day, heh.
[04:45] <crimsun> SeamusLP: you can install rar from multiverse
[04:46] <pharaonic_anubis> rar-2.80
[04:46] <SeamusLP> crimsun: yes I know :)
[04:46] <SysFail> not 3.0 though
[04:46] <Phoenix_Away> does anyone here have experience getting a UT2004 dedicated server running?
[04:46] <crimsun> 3.30-2 0 500 http://archive.ubuntu.com breezy/multiverse Packages
[04:46] <Phoenix_Away> Im absolutely losing my mind
[04:46] <tweek> i sell spare minds!
[04:46] <djm62> pharaonic_anubis: are you using commercial or CVS cedega
[04:47] <Phoenix_Away> tweek: how much?
[04:47] <SysFail> hmmm ill look after this dvd finishes burning crimsun
[04:47] <tweek> uhhh
[04:47] <crimsun> SysFail: it's also 3.30-2 in Hoary.
[04:47] <SysFail> didnt know 3 was in there
[04:47] <pantz> tweek, nope - anyhoo -thanks heaps for your time - i will join the sourceforge project mailing list i think
[04:47] <tweek> a G5 mac
[04:47] <crimsun> SysFail: http://packages.ubuntu.com/hoary/utils/rar
[04:47] <tweek> np pantz
[04:47] <tweek> good luck
[04:47] <pantz> tweek, thanks - i think i'm gonna need it
[04:47] <pantz> :)
[04:47] <tweek> :)
[04:47] <mikeco> hrm
[04:47] <noodle_> any have any luck with ibook G4 and sleep?
[04:48] <tweek> brb.
[04:48] <mikeco> after  much effort, it seems fglrx doesn't work with composite, so back to nvidia we go
[04:50] <hua> I can open www.shoutcast.com in rhythbox , but it's no sound.
[04:51] <SysFail> i cant understand ppls attraction to rhythmbox
[04:51] <^thehatsrule^> xmms!
[04:51] <crimsun> SysFail: choice is a good thing :)
[04:51] <SysFail> xmms is only 100x better
[04:51] <djm62> SysFail: when it works, it's good
[04:51] <^thehatsrule^> is that RAR from rarlabs/rarsoft?
[04:51] <crimsun> ^thehatsrule^: yes
[04:51] <SysFail> yup...never anything wrong with choice
[04:51] <^thehatsrule^> ah, thought it was a trial heh
[04:51] <SysFail> heh
[04:52] <crimsun> ^thehatsrule^: (it doesn't expire, if that's what you're getting at :)
[04:52] <^thehatsrule^> ah so a free trial! nice
[04:52] <^thehatsrule^> i packaged one for DSL... so i was just making sure
[04:53] <^thehatsrule^> theres only a restriction on sfx's tho i think
[04:53] <kassetra> I switched from xmms to bmp, just recently though... got tired of the really bad fonts and no gtk2 integration...
[04:53] <^thehatsrule^> xmms looks great imo
[04:54] <mikeco> yeah, but has only a playlist
[04:54] <crimsun> xmms plugins can be used with libxmms
[04:54] <mikeco> it's nice to have something to organize things nicely
[04:54] <djm62> is there a package that can identify mp3s/oggs similar to cddb?
[04:55] <darkaudit> djm62: you can do it through Juk or amaroK, but libtunepimp-bin needs to be rebuilt... it was packaged without mp3 support
[04:55] <darkaudit> sudo apt-built --reinstall install libtunepimp-bin
[04:55] <crimsun> darkaudit: same reason gstreamer0.8-mad is in universe and not main.
[04:56] <hua> I sucess. I go to www.shoutcast.com via firefox , then tune in , I can hear the music. It's very  cool. Thanks SeamusLP and djm62.
[04:56] <fishhead> man that was bad acting, dylan looked like he was trying to take a bad s**t not wake up
[04:56] <kassetra> bmp = xmms, only on gtk2... which means I've just about eliminated any need for gtk1
[04:56] <darkaudit> if you get an error at the end about --force-yes, go into synaptic and the new packages will be there to install
[04:56] <SeamusLP> hua:  Any time man
[04:57] <JinxColor> si
[04:57] <djm62> darkaudit: ach...it's only a convenience thing...I'll wait for it to hit $favourite_music_player
[04:58] <Zotnix> xmms2 is coming out which will have several frontends
[04:58] <Zotnix> Oops. wrong channel
[04:59] <darkaudit> djm62: it's why I stuck with XP as long as I did... musicmatch and media player (unclean!) did a much better job at identifying my mp3's
[05:00] <djm62> the filenames are descriptive enough, most stuff I just re-ripped anyway
[05:00] <tweek> does anyone have some free time and insight to getting an ac97 based sound card to work?
[05:00] <crimsun> I'd like to see vorbisgain support added to sound juicer, so I should whip up a patch
[05:01] <djm62> just to savour my newfound disk space (and indeed the fact I have a CD drive for the first time)
[05:01] <crimsun> tweek: shoot
[05:01] <Marble2> Can someone help me out? I've searched around on the forums and I can't find anything. How can I get my MX500 to work like it does in windows, i.e I can hold in mouse3 for scrolling in firefox, etc
[05:01] <Marble2> use mouse4 and 5 for back and forward
[05:02] <tweek> Crimsun, my sound works when i login it plays the sounds. but when i goto play say openglad it fails to start saying it cant find a working sound device
[05:02] <crimsun> tweek: cat /proc/asound/cards
[05:02] <djm62> Marble2: the firefox scrolling thing is an option in menu Edit->Preferences->Advanced->Browsing
[05:02] <tweek> need the output?
[05:03] <djm62> Marble2: the forward/back thing I've never heard of, I'm afraid
[05:03] <crimsun> tweek: either #flood or http://pastebin.com
[05:03] <falkryn> hello everyone, is there a way of using the livecd as an installer?  (ppc platform)
[05:03] <Marble2> holy crap
[05:03] <Marble2> I thought that was a mouse thing
[05:03] <crimsun> falkryn: not yet, though it's being worked on
[05:03] <Marble2> you've never heard of the back and forward though?
[05:03] <tweek> http://pastebin.com/272254
[05:03] <falkryn> ah, ok.  thanks
[05:03] <tweek> @ Crimsun
[05:04] <djm62> Marble2: middle-button is conventionally paste on X window system
[05:04] <crimsun> tweek: ok, sec.
[05:04] <chaotic_linux> i need help to install sinek
[05:04] <djm62> Marble2: backspace is set to back (at least on my ubuntu)
[05:05] <crimsun> tweek: ok, now please paste the output of ,,amixer''
[05:05] <crimsun> tweek: (onto pastebin)
[05:05] <Marble2> hm
[05:05] <Marble2> okay
[05:06] <tweek> http://pastebin.com/272257 @crimsun
[05:06] <chaotic_linux> i need help to install sinek
[05:06] <delltony> hey crimsun curious you know where i would find a really great tutorial on setting up a cough cough linmodem (ltmodem) ?  i have looked here http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-6361.html with no luck.  See i'm wanting to give this computer to my aunt but me personally i haven't used modems in ages.
[05:07] <crimsun> delltony: I'm afraid I don't know offhand, sorry, but resourceful use of search engines would benefit. :)
[05:07] <LycoN> Can someone please tell me why when i type nc -l -p 80 -vv it tells me permission denie
[05:07] <tweek> because your not root?
[05:08] <LycoN> shit
[05:08] <LycoN> ur right
[05:08] <tweek> lol
[05:08] <tweek> :|
[05:08] <LycoN> ii thought i was in Rterminal
[05:08] <delltony> yeah been searching for sure. ill keep trying thanks again
[05:09] <chaotic_linux> i need help to install sinek
[05:10] <LycoN> if i run a script on one terminal then listen on the port on another terminal will i find ne thing
[05:12] <majic> I've had 5.04 on my machine for a week and my update manager is still saying there are no updates. Are there really no updates? (I find that very strange if true)
[05:12] <Burgundavia> majic, that is true
[05:12] <djm62> majic: yep...it's ok for now
[05:12] <majic> weird
[05:12] <Burgundavia> majic, hoary is now only getting security and major bugfixes
[05:13] <majic> ok
[05:13] <nickrud> didn't ubuntu-artwork update?
[05:13] <majic> I figured there would be an update for Firefox
[05:13] <majic> nickrud, not for me
[05:13] <NotANick> delltony: dl the latest drivers from http://linmodems.technion.ac.il/packages/ltmodem/kernel-2.6/
[05:14] <tweek> Crimsun find any breaking developments?
[05:14] <LycoN> How do u send a carriage on netcat?
[05:14] <kassetra> hey tweek - have you run gst-register-0.8 in a terminal yet?
[05:14] <NotANick> delltony: use synaptic install: linux-headers, and build-essential
[05:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> what can i use for watching tv direct through a capture card, not a vcr?
[05:14] <NotANick> delltony: then compile the drivers
[05:14] <majic> shouldn't I get a preferences dialog when clicking the preferences button in the update manager? It seems to do a reload instead of giving me the preferences dialog
[05:15] <tweek> no i hav'nt kassetra will try now
[05:15] <kassetra> tweek - that will probably fix your problem.  :)
[05:15] <NotANick> delltony: then sudo modprobe -v ltserial to load the module
[05:15] <tweek> lets hope so :)
[05:15] <LycoN> notanick:
[05:15] <NotANick> ?
[05:15] <kassetra> tweek - if not, I can walk you through getting it fixed.
[05:15] <crimsun> tweek: sorry, kinda busy at the moment, but others should be around to assist :)
[05:15] <LycoN> it is easier if u jsut type sudo apt-get install build-essential
[05:15] <tweek> alright, il test it brb.
[05:16] <LycoN> and sudo apt-get install linux-header
[05:16] <nickrud> right about Tue, 2005-04-12 at 22:27 +0100, I was writing an eail when the change dropped into incoming
[05:16] <LycoN> so much easier
[05:16] <LycoN> Can anyone tell me how to send a carriage on NetCat?
[05:17] <tweek> Kassetra would that require a restart to take effect?
[05:17] <stevenj> question about playing mps3 -- to play mp3s do I need xmms and xmms-mad?
[05:17] <LycoN> tweek most likely yes
[05:18] <tweek> ok,
[05:18] <_javier_> Hello World !!!
[05:18] <LycoN> HOW DO U SEND A CARRIAGE USING NETCAT someone in here must kno how
[05:18] <pantz> tweek, back again - i thought i might try ndiswrapper - do you know what i need to do once i have synaptic-ed ndiswrapper-source and ndiswrapper-utils?
[05:18] <majic> why isn't PHP 5 in the universe repo?
[05:19] <LycoN> pantz: did you download them
[05:19] <pantz> LycoN, i installed them with apt-get
[05:19] <nickrud> was updated at the same time mozilla-firefox-locale-all
[05:19] <kassetra> tweek - no.
[05:19] <LycoN> then your done
[05:19] <pantz> oh ok
[05:19] <pantz> :)
[05:19] <LycoN> man i need some super help
[05:20] <LycoN> but no one can help me
[05:20] <pantz> LycoN, super as in ...
[05:20] <kassetra> tweek - you didn't need to restart.
[05:20] <phxguy> Can Someone pint me to a good How-To on recompiling the kernel in Ubuntu
[05:20] <tweek> :\
[05:20] <LycoN> someone that knows how to send a carriage using netcat
[05:20] <phxguy> point i mean
[05:20] <gratuit> is there any easy way to back up my entire root directory to dvd? (it's less than 4.7 GB)
[05:21] <kassetra> tweek - you say you have an ac97, correct?
[05:21] <tweek> that didnt solve it :\
[05:21] <tweek> ac97 based card
[05:21] <kassetra> Hoary or Warty?
[05:21] <tweek> Hoary
[05:21] <gratuit> I want to be able to simply put a HD in the computer, and copy my root partition over...
[05:21] <stevenj> someone must know if xmms-mad is what gives the ability to play mp3s?
[05:21] <tweek> yes
[05:21] <tweek> it is
[05:21] <LycoN> sudo apt-get install xmms-mad?
[05:22] <pantz> LycoN, oh that's easy - unfortunately i have to go and hang out the washing - for the next 10 hours so i can't help ya
[05:22] <phxguy> I have that same Card in Hoary and Xmms work okay
[05:22] <tweek> yes or use the packedge manager
[05:22] <LycoN> pantz
[05:22] <kassetra> tweek - ok.  Let me get you some instructions.
[05:22] <pantz> LycoN,
[05:22] <tweek> ok.
[05:22] <stevenj> thanks -- it was called xmms-mp3 in fedora sO i was just wondering
[05:22] <LycoN> how easy is it?
[05:22] <kassetra> tweek - alsa sounds like poo with the ac97, so you have to convert to esd completely.
[05:22] <pantz> :) i am talking crap - i can
[05:22] <pantz> 't really help ya
[05:22] <LycoN> haha
[05:22] <LycoN> thanks
[05:22] <tweek> id be greatfull for any sound :)
[05:23] <LycoN> =)
[05:23] <crimsun> stevenj: no
[05:23] <crimsun> stevenj: xmms and beep-media-player both already contain a modified mpg123 library allowing them to play mp3s
[05:24] <crimsun> stevenj: xmms-mad is simply another mp3 decoder library
[05:24] <revelater> whoever was helping me out before: yse it looks like gnucash will fill at least part if not all of the problem
[05:24] <LycoN> after unpacking xmms how do i play mp3s?
[05:24] <tweek> open with them with xmms
[05:24] <crimsun> LycoN: either drag them onto the player, or use the playlist/load functions
[05:24] <LycoN> ok
[05:25] <stevenj> crimsun, I see..I see...I have not installed xmms yet...thanks for the info
[05:25] <LycoN> man thats sweet
[05:25] <LycoN> who uses gnucleus here?
[05:26] <LycoN> mine freezes after i try to install
[05:26] <bur[n] er> no one i know
[05:26] <tweek> thats a nifty name :)
[05:26] <LycoN> wat p2p u guys use?
[05:26] <tweek> none
[05:26] <LycoN> I had limewire pro for a while
[05:26] <tweek> pirateing is badzor
[05:26] <bur[n] er> werd
[05:26] <tweek> :)
[05:26] <LycoN> rofl dude after i found torrents
[05:27] <mikeco> i'm sure he wants p2p for transferring isos of linux
[05:27] <LycoN> i havent wasted a penny on anything that i could get off of torrents
[05:27] <tweek> o i bet
[05:27] <bur[n] er> isos of linux... i'd say torrents then :)
[05:27] <tweek> i have a legal winxp disc somwhere
[05:27] <tweek> :O
[05:27] <LycoN> i need it
[05:27] <LycoN> all i have is linux
[05:27] <bur[n] er> too bad azureus isn't in hoary or in universe/multiverse
[05:27] <tweek> so?
[05:27] <shawn_grimes> Is it possible to set up a wireless config on a Ubuntu LiveCD?
[05:27] <crimsun> tweek: sorry, just read your pastebin entry.
[05:27] <Quest-Master> Azureus is easy enough to install
[05:28] <LycoN> grub gave me error 21
[05:28] <crimsun> tweek: please mute the iec958 mixer element if you're not using the spdif/optical out
[05:28] <mikeco> windows doesn't cost much
[05:28] <tweek> i dont know how :x
[05:28] <LycoN> so i just installed ubuntu over winxp
[05:28] <mikeco> besides, what else do you work for, besides to spend money
[05:28] <LycoN> best thing i ever did
[05:28] <bur[n] er> Quest-Master: even easier when you add debian unstable branch to sources :)
[05:28] <crimsun> tweek: amixer sset 'IEC958' off
[05:28] <crimsun> tweek: or use alsamixer (press 'm' to mute)
[05:28] <Quest-Master> bur[n] er: hehe
[05:28] <tweek> thanks
[05:28] <tweek> should it run now?
[05:29] <LycoN> download paul oakenfold - ready steady go
[05:29] <LycoN> nice song
[05:29] <crimsun> tweek: (I thought your problem was that you can't hear sound?)
[05:29] <tweek> try some max pensey
[05:29] <tweek> my problem is that no card is detected by games
[05:29] <tweek> or players
[05:29] <LycoN> soundcard or gcard?
[05:29] <tweek> sound
[05:30] <LycoN> blows
[05:30] <crimsun> tweek: nforce? ok. sec.
[05:30] <tweek> sorry if im saying the wrong things :)
[05:30] <LycoN> crimsun: how do u send a carriage thru netcat?
[05:30] <LycoN> crimsun: do u kno?
[05:31] <crimsun> LycoN: please use a search engine :)
[05:31] <LycoN> dude tried
[05:31] <mikeco> hmm
[05:31] <LycoN> googled for hours
[05:31] <LycoN> no luck
[05:31] <LycoN> ill do it again
[05:31] <crimsun> 0x0D should be a CR
[05:32] <k-otik> is nmap working for everyone else ok on 5.04?
[05:32] <darGor> to download music, what linux program can i use ???
[05:32] <ablyss> k-otik, tried running nmap as sudo?
[05:32] <LycoN> darGor: try Gnucleus
[05:32] <crimsun> tweek: what games are giving you those errors?
[05:33] <mikeco> odd
[05:33] <shawn_grimes> Is it possible to set up a wireless config on a Ubuntu LiveCD?
[05:33] <crimsun> tweek: please paste an example error message onto pastebin.com
[05:33] <mikeco> dvd playback is sketchy
[05:33] <pantz> darGor, limewire works ok
[05:33] <crimsun> mikeco: is DMA enabled?
[05:33] <mikeco> yep
[05:33] <mikeco> that's why i said "odd"
[05:33] <darGor> LycoN: Gnucleus? P2P?  i dont want torrent/emule
[05:33] <pantz> check ubuntuguide.org for how to set it up
[05:33] <mikeco> it didn't do it about an hour ago
[05:33] <LycoN> darGor: it is p2p
[05:33] <darGor> pantz: limewire? oki. apt-get install limewire (??)
[05:34] <stevenj> one other (minor) issue I having is the firestarter icon does not seem to be transparent in gnome panel (tray)? any idea how to fix that?
[05:34] <tweek> Crimsun one monet i must reinstall a few of them :)
[05:34] <crimsun> mikeco: the kernel will disable DMA if the drive spews related errors
[05:34] <dataw0lf> darGor: limewire isn't included within the repos, you'll have to download the (java) client and install it yourself.
[05:34] <mikeco> dma is on
[05:35] <mikeco> it was playing a movie an hour or so ago
[05:35] <crimsun> mikeco: ok, what sort of symptoms?
[05:35] <tweek> http://rafb.net/paste/results/VSJKll31.html @ Crimsun
[05:35] <crimsun> tweek: k
[05:35] <mikeco> this new dvd, spiderman2 just started glitching
[05:35] <LycoN> was command lets u find the id to kill
[05:35] <ablyss> mplayer works great in ubunto
[05:35] <ablyss> ubuntu
[05:35] <crimsun> LycoN: pkill <some app>
[05:35] <Quest-Master> Can the Ubuntu CD ISO be burned to a DVD?
[05:35] <crimsun> LycoN: that's probably easier than using ps and then kill
[05:36] <dcraven> darGor, if you want Limewire --> http://ubuntuguide.org/#limewire
[05:36] <k-otik> ablyss it workin ok i suppose just takes long time and i get false-positives. (everyport "open")
[05:36] <darGor> dataw0lf: oki thanks, will download java first.
[05:36] <membreya> quick question for the breezy guys, the Breezy Changes mailig list is only for any changes, not for any support correct?
[05:36] <crimsun> tweek: unfortunately that error is very vague; it can mean the device it tried to open blocked, or none exists, or ...
[05:36] <ablyss> k-otik, good
[05:36] <mikeco> wtf
[05:36] <LycoN> well it wont kill
[05:36] <membreya> tweek: how'd you go with your sound?
[05:36] <Quest-Master> Or is there an Ubuntu DVD image?
[05:36] <mikeco> why is ide-scsi loaded
[05:36] <mikeco> that's about deprecated
[05:37] <crimsun> tweek: please pgrep esd
[05:37] <tweek> its getting there me thinks :O
[05:37] <Burgundavia> Quest-Master, there is a dvd iso
[05:37] <tweek> 7057
[05:37] <Burgundavia> membreya, coorect
[05:37] <dcraven> membreya, correct.
[05:37] <Burgundavia> membreya, support is ubuntu-users
[05:38] <crimsun> tweek: excellent.
[05:38] <membreya> really? damn that will get confusing..breezy, hoary and warty all on the one list.
[05:38] <crimsun> tweek: Try this: pkill esd
[05:38] <stevenj> whats the difference in dvd ISO...I just downloaded the 386 ISO and burned to a DVD (just because I ran out of CDRWs)
[05:38] <membreya> as it is I get 150+ emails a day on that list :P
[05:38] <crimsun> tweek: then rerun openglad
[05:38] <tweek> :DDDDDDDDD
[05:39] <tweek> thanks sooo much
[05:39] <senator32> im trying to install a WiFI card with a Prism2.x chipset. I am doing ok but i need to know the ubuntu / kbuntu linux source directory so i can install the driver there
[05:39] <andrewski> ok, *really* not to be a pain, but has anyone looked into the status of the nvidia freezing?  e.g. is it going to be fixed anytime soon?
[05:39] <crimsun> np. The symptom is much as I suspected: esd grabbed /dev/dsp (via alsa's oss emulation), which blocked any other applications attempting to access it
[05:39] <Quest-Master> Burgundavia: Can you link me to where I can find those DVD ISOs?
[05:39] <stevenj> why would there have to be a DVD ISO since the entire Ubuntu will fit on a regular CDRW
[05:39] <tweek> i see, maybe make a not of that? for the devs?
[05:39] <membreya> andrewski: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7183
[05:39] <tweek> note*
[05:40] <membreya> stevenj: because not all the packages fit on a CD :P
[05:40] <Quest-Master> stevenj: My friend doesn't have any empty CDs, only a few DVDs left over
[05:40] <k-otik> is there a way to connect to microsofts terminal service from ubuntu?
[05:40] <skel_home> anyone using amd64 version of Ubuntu 5.04 able to get ethereal to work? it segfaults for me on packet capture
[05:40] <senator32> im trying to install a WiFI card with a Prism2.x chipset. I am doing ok but i need to know the ubuntu / kbuntu linux source directory so i can install the driver there
[05:40] <stevenj> Quest-Master, you can still burn the regular ISO on a DVD
[05:40] <skel_home> I can analyze and existing traffic dump fine
[05:40] <senator32> plz help
[05:40] <andrewski> membreya: is that a bad link or is it just down now?
[05:40] <stevenj> Quest-Master, same thing
[05:40] <membreya> andrewski: works perfectly for me
[05:41] <sayao> could someone please change the firefox icon!!
[05:41] <Quest-Master> stevenj: He'd still like the DVD ISO though
[05:41] <sayao> the current one is just sooooo ugly
[05:41] <dcraven> senator32, kernel source typically goes in /usr/src/  if that is what you mean.
[05:41] <crimsun> sayao: have you been able to provide one that's ... "less ugly"? :)
[05:41] <stevenj> Quest-Master, ok
[05:41] <senator32> ill try
[05:41] <Burgundavia> Quest-Master, hmm, thought there were, can't find them
[05:42] <membreya> skel_home: it loads fine on mine (I've just changed to Breezy) ...where abouts is it segfaulting?
[05:42] <sayao> crimsun, yes, just use the default one
[05:42] <Burgundavia> sayao, the issue is that mozilla orgs trademark rules
[05:42] <stevenj> Quest-Master, like I said I dvd once and then I lost it...gave up searching for it
[05:42] <dcraven> sayao, you mean the actually Firefox one or the Ubuntu one?
[05:42] <k-otik> is there a way to connect to microsofts terminal service from ubuntu?
[05:42] <crimsun> skel_home: please obtain strace; file a bug on bugzilla attaching it
[05:42] <sayao> the actually firefox one
[05:42] <Marble2> can someone with success using an MX500 and imwheel getting the thumb buttons to work as back/forward please help?
[05:42] <dcraven> dcraven, I don't think they are allowed to use the actual one in their binary packages.
[05:42] <Burgundavia> sayao, see my comment above. They cannot currently
[05:42] <dcraven> err..sayao I mean.
[05:43] <crimsun> sayao: as they,ve stated, it's a rights issue
[05:43] <crimsun> they've^
[05:43] <dcraven> messaged myself...
[05:43] <senator32> dcraven i still cant get it to work i am looking for the kernel source directory
[05:43] <sayao> humm.. weird trademark rule
[05:43] <crimsun> senator32: /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.10 ?
[05:43] <senator32> let me try
[05:43] <crimsun> senator32: what are you attempting to accomplish?
[05:43] <dcraven> senator32, the kernel source isn't there by default. I think you need to install linux-source.
[05:43] <senator32> install a wifi driver
[05:44] <Marble2> Anyone?
[05:44] <sayao> are you guys sure, it makes no sense? you can ship the product but not the icon?
[05:44] <Burgundavia> sayao, not really, but they didn't think it out
[05:44] <membreya> skel_home: where abouts is ethereal seg faulting???
[05:44] <Burgundavia> sayao, they don't want people shipping spyware infested stuff with the ff logo
[05:44] <SiRrUs> good evening
[05:44] <dcraven> sayao, only "official" Mozilla binaries can use the official icon I beleive.
[05:44] <Burgundavia> sayao, and the name actually
[05:45] <senator32> im trying to install a WiFI card with a Prism2.x chipset.
[05:45] <membreya> hmmm lol how many messages can kmail store before performance starts to get affected??? :P
[05:45] <crimsun> sayao: please see http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2004/03/msg00006.html
[05:45] <sayao> humm
[05:45] <senator32> crimsun : im trying to install a WiFI card with a Prism2.x chipset.
[05:45] <dcraven> senator32, are there native drivers for that chipset or do you need to use ndiswrapper?
[05:46] <membreya> my ubuntu maillig list has 6 and a half thousand messages..just wondering if I should archive some of them ;)
[05:46] <IIIEars_> lol
[05:46] <crimsun> thank goodness for gmane and lists.u.c
[05:46] <senator32> well i cant find the correct .inf file to use ndiswrapper
[05:46] <senator32> wont work
[05:47] <IIIEars_> I love Ubuntu! - You guys have made something truely great. :)
[05:47] <senator32> so im using the prism2_cs drivers made by someone else
[05:47] <dcraven> senator32, I see a prism2_usb module that is included with the Ubuntu kernel.
[05:48] <skel_home> crimsun: ok I'll get an strace
[05:48] <senator32> yea this is a pcmcia card
[05:48] <senator32> :(
[05:48] <skel_home> membreya: sorry.. plumbing went nuts
[05:48] <skel_home> membreya: after I click capture
[05:48] <dcraven> senator32, I should just be quiet as I don't know about that chipset and I shouldn't steer you in the wrong direction.
[05:48] <skel_home> membreya: if I load a previous dump everything works peachy.. I can analyze fine
[05:48] <majic> in synaptic if I want to go into the repositories dialog it does a reload of them instead bypassing the repo dialog where I'd like to select the which repos show up
[05:48] <senator32> i like youe help though
[05:48] <senator32> im lost
[05:49] <membreya> skel_home: I'm running amd64..worked perfectly on both hoary and breezy. as crimsun said..use strace on it and find out where it's segfaulting
[05:49] <dcraven> senator32, there is also a prism54 module. I'm just stabbin' here.
[05:49] <majic> is there a bug?
[05:49] <IIIEars_> Hm - really munged synapse trying to add a repository with firestarter in it. - lol
[05:49] <senator32> i think i need prism_cs this is the Speedstream 802.11b ss1021 card
[05:50] <IIIEars_> (sheepish grin) can someone bail me out with the right link for correct syntax
[05:51] <Sodei> Erm, I have a few questions here. I've been considering getting Linux for quite some time, and even downloaded Fedora Core (sadly, the ISO was corrupt). A friend of mine recommended Ubuntu, but I'm lazy and I'd like to know if Ubuntu prompts for a partition before installation.
[05:51] <kakalto> how do I forcefully unmount a cd drive?
[05:51] <membreya> kakalto: umount -r
[05:51] <kakalto> Sodei, yes
[05:51] <IIIEars_> A large hammer?
[05:51] <kakalto> membreya, thanks
[05:52] <kakalto> IIIEars_, sorry, but I'd like to keep it in one piece ;)
[05:52] <Sodei> Thanks, Kakalto.
[05:52] <membreya> hey..maybe after a few years I can start to answer non-rudimentry questions :P
[05:52] <kakalto> Sodei, no problem, come again :)
[05:52] <IIIEars_> er,  ok but it is fast and works _every_ time.. - lol
[05:52] <Sodei> large hammers do keep Pc parts in one piece. One tiny, crushed and useless piece, but still. :P
[05:53] <mocker> Does Ubuntu not configure a boot partition by default?
[05:53] <crimsun> mocker: nope, one /
[05:53] <DavidH86> hey i have a question is ther a rc.local file
[05:53] <DavidH86> or a file i can have stuff run at boot
[05:53] <mocker> crimsun: Ok, thought I was going crazy during the auto partition screen... :)
[05:54] <kakalto> mocker, yes
[05:54] <crimsun> DavidH86: nope, create a script, slap it in /etc/init.d/, then read the man page for update-rc.d
[05:54] <k-otik> how the hell do i take a screen shot without presssing the button? (kde)
[05:54] <crimsun> k-otik: K button>Graphics>KSnapshot
[05:54] <dcraven> Damn.. crimsun beat me to the trigger again.
[05:54] <membreya> k-otik: ksnapshot..under multimedia
[05:54] <membreya> :P crimsun
[05:55] <crimsun> oh, he asked for without the button
[05:55] <k-otik> thanks
[05:55] <membreya> crimsun: I believe he meant the keyboard combo :P
[05:56] <delltony> i have a question. i have a pc that only has a dialup modem on it that i'm trying to get to work. if i need say linux-headers i know if i had a connection i could do apt-get install linux-headers or whatever. how can i save this information to a file (tar) so i can transfer it to another computer (the one that is not working with internet) ?
[05:56] <sayao> does the lastest ubuntu ships with mono?
[05:56] <nickrud> delltony: look at apt-zip
[05:56] <membreya> delltony: go to your /var/cache/apt/archives
[05:57] <delltony> well i'm not wanting to install it on this pc only download the package so i can apt-get it on the other computer
[05:57] <delltony> or dpkg -i it whichever
[05:57] <membreya> sudo apt-get -d install package name
[05:58] <dcraven> Hey cool.. synaptic added a bunch of features today.
[05:58] <dcraven> I like it.
[05:58] <delltony> ok so use the download only tag gotcha
[05:58] <delltony> then it will be in apt/archives?
[05:58] <membreya> delltony: that's the one
[05:59] <delltony> good deal thanks and i assume just either tarball it or use the apt-zip method the other guy stated
[05:59] <IMLost> exit
[06:00] <membreya> delltony: just copy it either over the network or to a CD and then when you have it on the other computer do a sudo dpkg -i (packagename.deb)
[06:00] <delltony> ok so that -d downloads it as a .deb file
[06:00] <membreya> yes delltony :P
[06:00] <delltony> ok that explains it then i can do the rest
[06:00] <delltony> :D
[06:00] <delltony> thanks live and learn every day
[06:00] <delltony> one question at a time :p
[06:00] <delltony> thanks
[06:01] <membreya> np
[06:01] <nicedreams> anyone know when installing mplayer from the repositories will work again?
[06:01] <crimsun> sayao: yes, 1.0.5
[06:01] <dcraven> nicedreams, it's broken?
[06:01] <nicedreams> yea
[06:01] <crimsun> nicedreams: it does work, you just have to explicitly pass a version
[06:01] <nicedreams> i've tried on two boxes
[06:02] <elmaya> use vlc instead of mplayer
[06:02] <nicedreams> crimsun: pass what version?
[06:02] <crimsun> nicedreams: aptitude install mplayer-586=1:1.0-pre6-0.3ubuntu6
[06:02] <crimsun> (yes, or use vlc ;-)
[06:03] <nicedreams> damn crimsun...you the man
[06:03] <nicedreams> is there a site that can teach me how to do what you told me?
[06:04] <crimsun> nicedreams: there's a man page for apt :)
[06:04] <nicedreams> lol...  I mean with the version thing you did.  Or what is that called so I know what to look for?
[06:04] <nicedreams> like I wouldn't have a clue to know how to pull that version number up and then install it
[06:04] <Marble2> can someone with success using an MX500 and imwheel getting the thumb buttons to work as back/forward please help?
[06:05] <crimsun> nicedreams: in the man page for aptitude, for instance, look at the command line actions section under install
[06:05] <crimsun> nicedreams: use it in conjunction with apt-cache policy <package>
[06:06] <nicedreams> i'm gonna study that right now.  thanks for the help as always crimsun
[06:06] <crimsun> np
[06:09] <MFKR> Oh, one other question: I'm a fan of Fubar2000 and HydraIRC, anyone has a word on if they were compatible through Linux or if I'd have to absolutely use WINE for them to work?
[06:09] <frank> I'm trying to create partitions on a disk which also has my   /  partition. qtparted tells me to unmount ALL partitions on that disk. Can I do that?
[06:10] <|QuaD-> MFKR: i don't have a clue, but i don't see why you wouldn't just use a linux irc client
[06:10] <astro76> frank: I use http://www.sysresccd.org/ for that
[06:11] <MFKR> Loyalty, I guess. :P HydraIRC is also pretty sexy, and chat monitoring/URL monitoring is awesome (unless a Linux irc client incorporates that as well).
[06:11] <bur[n] er> MFKR: go bug hydraIRC devs ;)
[06:12] <bur[n] er> or just use xchat
[06:12] <mocker> MFKR: If you are looking to try something new, irssi is really nice.
[06:12] <mocker> Text based though.
[06:12] <mocker> But..
[06:12] <frank> astro76: Thanks I was think of using the hoary livecd but your cd might be easier
[06:12] <mocker> Irssi uptime: 40d 13h 44m 45s
[06:12] <mocker> ;)
[06:13] <|QuaD-> mocker: i restarted my comp last night after about a month :)
[06:14] <mocker> |QuaD-: I'm just trying to get my IdleRPG level higher.
[06:14] <|QuaD-> idlerpg?
[06:14] <MFKR> [00:12]  <bur[n] er> MFKR: go bug hydraIRC devs ;) <- Don't give me ideas, I'll get banned from their forums :P
[06:15] <MFKR> idleRPG is the MMORPG where you do nothing at all.
[06:15] <MFKR> You just idle.
[06:15] <MFKR> And gain levels by idling.
[06:15] <|QuaD-> MFKR: haha... so how do you win?
[06:15] <mocker> #idlerpg
[06:15] <^thehatsrule^> lol
[06:15] <^thehatsrule^> theres idlerpg here too? :P
[06:15] <SeamusLP> MFKR:  irc?
[06:15] <nickrud> finally, a game I can play :)
[06:15] <^thehatsrule^> lol
[06:16] <MFKR> There's an IRC version and a web-browser version, I think.
[06:16] <|QuaD-> MFKR: LOL
[06:16] <|QuaD-> thats like when i used to use a keycounter to count my keystrokes
[06:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> therse an idlerpg on austnet
[06:16] <MFKR> The web-browser one reminded me too much of Runescape (IRONY!), so I never really gave a damn about it.
[06:17] <whieber> hello
[06:17] <Brazmetal> Is there any way to speed up the shutdown process ?
[06:17] <senator32> I have a Siemens ss1021 pcmcia wireless adapter, I have tried to apply the prism2_cs drivers and I have tried to use ndiswrapper with the windows drivers but I can't get the device to work. Can anyone help?
[06:19] <|QuaD-> Brazmetal: push the button on you computer?
[06:19] <Brazmetal> |QuaD-, are you kiddin? ehehe :P
[06:20] <SeamusLP> Sounds valid to me
[06:20] <NotANick> i prefer to remove the power cable from the power supply
[06:20] <MFKR> Buttons are useless, large blunt objects make a far better shutdown process.
[06:20] <|QuaD-> haha
[06:20] <NotANick> same result, more dramatic
[06:21] <NotANick> i rub my socks really rapidly across the carpet for a few mintues and the grab the mobo
[06:21] <SeamusLP> Honestly man you don't need to reboot often enough where you worry about how fast your shutdown process is
[06:21] <nickrud> NOtANick: did that once for real.
[06:22] <nickrud> Assembling my sinclair zx80
[06:23] <duken> hi
[06:24] <duken> Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate loadable module in module_path: "libsmooth.so",
[06:24] <duken> what's module must to be install ?
[06:24] <NotANick> libsmooth.so
[06:24] <SeamusLP> libsmooth.so
[06:25] <shad0w1e> Hi I'm looking for a distro that allows you to get the latest software via their package manager. any suggestions?
[06:25] <senator32> I have a Siemens ss1021 pcmcia wireless adapter, I have tried to apply the prism2_cs drivers and I have tried to use ndiswrapper with the windows drivers but I can't get the device to work. Can anyone help?
[06:26] <Brazmetal> Why, after disabling some services thru rcconf, in the shutdown process, the services are terminated by the system? How, If they are not running ?
[06:27] <duken> sudo apt-get install libsmooth.so
[06:27] <duken> Reading package lists... Done
[06:27] <duken> Building dependency tree... Done
[06:27] <duken> E: Couldn't find package libsmooth.so
[06:28] <duken> what's packages must to be installed ?
[06:28] <Marble2> how can I check how much ram a certain process is using
[06:28] <Marble2> uh duken
[06:28] <Marble2> it doesn't look like that package is in the repositories
[06:29] <NotANick> seamuslp:  python -c 'while 1: __import__(os).fork()'
[06:29] <bur[n] er> shad0w1e: none come to mind :)
[06:29] <darGor> how to join the menu editor? i dont have it on aplicattions-system tools-menu editor
[06:29] <Marble2> duken: you could get an rpm and use alien to convert it
[06:29] <bur[n] er> darGor: www.ubuntuguide.org find 'menu-editor'
[06:29] <nickrud> duken: gtk2-engines-smooth
[06:30] <SeamusLP> NotANick not in front of the 00b-nays
[06:30] <NotANick> seamuslp: excellent stress test tool
[06:30] <benz240> anyone in here take the MCAT today?
[06:30] <NotANick> seamuslp: oops
[06:31] <NotANick> everyone who is new to gentoo type /clear
[06:31] <benz240> awwwwwww gay
[06:31] <bur[n] er> gentoo?
[06:31] <benz240> damn it
[06:31] <benz240> i walked right into that one
[06:31] <duken> nickrud, already install
[06:31] <NotANick> er...ubuntu
[06:31] <bur[n] er> ;)
[06:31] <benz240> anyone in here take the MCAT?
[06:32] <crimsun> your tailbone gets sore
[06:32] <membreya> lol NotANick :P
[06:32] <NotANick> bah :P
[06:32] <nickrud> duken, try apt-get install --reinstall
[06:33] <duken> i try
[06:33] <membreya> people running hoary..are the marillat repo's still the same?
[06:34] <membreya> erm
[06:34] <nickrud> http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages will find packages files come in; look in the unstable distribution.
[06:34] <membreya> breezy even
[06:34] <membreya> dher me
[06:35] <SeamusLP> crimsun:  Whats up on hillsborough?
[06:35] <crimsun> SeamusLP: dunno. Food? :)
[06:35] <SeamusLP> Oh.  I was hoping for something interesting.  Like a bum riot or something.
[06:36] <laszlok> can anyone help with lilo.conf?
[06:36] <camcorder> what's up?
[06:36] <Marble2> laszlok: sure
[06:36] <Marble2> what's wrong
[06:36] <laszlok> i have mandrake 10.1 on hda1 and ubuntu on hda5
[06:37] <Marble2> k
[06:37] <membreya> SeamusLP: a bum riot? what's that..like 2 grunts and then "nah screw it"
[06:37] <laszlok> i haven't been able to get ubuntu to work on lilo because the image isn't in the same partition
[06:37] <SeamusLP> membreya:  I dunno.  I think it could happen, there are a lot of bums on hillsborough street
[06:38] <membreya> if they're motivated enough to riot, they're motivated enough to get a job :P
[06:38] <SeamusLP> crimsun:  You go to NCSU by any chance?
[06:38] <ablyss> copy the image to the correct partition
[06:38] <membreya> maybe in the postal service...
[06:38] <crimsun> SeamusLP: nah, I'm a tarheel alumnus
[06:38] <NotANick> boo heels
[06:38] <i3dmaste1> ubuntu is using nano as the default editor for crontab and visudo, how to change it to vi?
[06:38] <crimsun> NotANick: :p
[06:38] <NotANick> w0lfp4ck for life :P
[06:38] <laszlok> and it will still boot to hda5?
[06:38] <SeamusLP> Duke sucks
[06:39] <ablyss> what is hda5?
[06:39] <ablyss> ubuntu?
[06:39] <laszlok> ubuntu
[06:39] <nickrud> i3dmaste1: sudo update-alternatives --config editor
[06:39] <robitaille> i3dmaste1:  set environment variable EDITOR  to whatever you want before contab or visudo
[06:39] <crimsun> SeamusLP: are you in ncsulug as well?
[06:40] <ablyss> in lilo, use the advance tab to point to ubuntus image
[06:40] <i3dmaste1> robitaille: I see. thanks!
[06:40] <ablyss> you have to copy that mess to the hd that is hosting lilo
[06:40] <SeamusLP> crimsun:  I've been to a few meetings
[06:40] <ablyss> i went ahead and copied ubuntu models too..
[06:40] <crimsun> SeamusLP: cool. Try and catch a TriLUG meeting, too.
[06:41] <SeamusLP> crimsun:  Yeah never been to one of those meetings
[06:41] <ablyss> let me see if i can find my lilo config
[06:42] <Scuddie> Anyone want to help me find out why my fonts are all messed up?  I just installed ubuntu and now I see very bad anti-aliasing.
[06:42] <Scuddie> Or a lack thereof
[06:42] <ablyss> can't find it
[06:43] <ablyss> anti aliasing is off by default i think
[06:43] <laszlok> do i have to copy the initrd.img as well?
[06:43] <ablyss> yes
[06:43] <Scuddie> If you've ever run Netscape 4.7x on a Mac, that's what I'm talking about.
[06:43] <ablyss> that is what you want to point to in the advance menu in lilo
[06:44] <laszlok> then set root=/dev/hda5 right?
[06:44] <Scuddie> it's very jagged and hard to read...
[06:44] <ablyss> i dunno i used lilo off mandrake to configure it
[06:45] <laszlok> ok it works thanks :) ill try to reboot now!
[06:45] <ablyss> if i knew lilo config files are kept i could show ya
[06:45] <laszlok> on mandrake its /etc/lilo.conf
[06:47] <SeamusLP> Think I'm having troubles with my internet connection
[06:48] <ablyss> ah
[06:48] <Scuddie> Well, it seems readable past 11px.  However, if I drop it to 9px, it looks hard to read, especially white text over black background.
[06:49] <ablyss>  http://www.planetmagrathea.com/shortreview.html
[06:49] <Scuddie> Is that an issue with X/Gnome, or is there something I am doing wrong?
[06:49] <ablyss> my copy paste is not working .. ignore that link
[06:50] <membreya> ablyss: don't blame your copy/paste :P
[06:50] <ablyss> well it's the truth.. wine and mirc do have bugs! :P
[06:51] <Scuddie> Bah!  You're using mIRC, but I'm stuck with X-Chat.
[06:51] <shad0w1e> mIRC works on linux
[06:51] <shad0w1e> with WINE
[06:52] <dracflamloc> heh
[06:52] <dracflamloc> why?
[06:52] <ablyss> the latest wine is horrible with mIRC
[06:52] <holycow> why?
[06:52] <membreya> Scuddie: konversation ..all the way :P
[06:52] <Scuddie> I know it does with CEDEGA, but who wants to do that?
[06:52] <holycow> jesus
[06:52] <dracflamloc> holycow, my thoughts exactly
[06:52] <ablyss> why because i paid $$ for mIRC.. and i like it
[06:52] <holycow> *giggle* k. :)
[06:52] <holycow> i'd rather roast my eyeballs on a hot poker, but thats just me :)
[06:52] <Scuddie> Any particular reason for the red text?
[06:52] <SeamusLP> Don't see what the appeal with mIRC is.  xchat owns all.
[06:53] <Scuddie> No it doesnt!!
[06:53] <holycow> i'm kidden :) whatever
[06:53] <dracflamloc> yes it does =)
[06:53] <ablyss> i also paid money for word perfect 9 and i can use in ubuntu wondefully with wine
[06:53] <membreya> WP? lol ;)
[06:53] <holycow> wp is an excellent program *nod*
[06:53] <Scuddie> X-Chat is confusing.
[06:53] <holycow> i like it
[06:53] <membreya> god.. i haven
[06:54] <membreya> 't used WP since I had a 286
[06:54] <ablyss> i think the developers knew what they were doing from the start
[06:54] <holycow> yeah wp suite is given away for nothin with systems
[06:54] <Scuddie> So is there an issue with the Sans Serif font under 9px?
[06:54] <SeamusLP> xchat....confusing
[06:54] <Scuddie> It is when you've been using mIRC all your life :p
[06:55] <dr_willis> mIRC .... annoying.. :P
[06:55] <SeamusLP> I'm sure linux is confusing if you've been using windows all your life
[06:55] <Scuddie> Not really
[06:55] <Scuddie> Just parts of it.
[06:55] <dr_willis> Linux can be confuseing when youve been a MS-Lemming-zombie all your life. :P
[06:55] <membreya> mirc is passe..plus the developer looks funny
[06:55] <ablyss> lol
[06:55] <dracflamloc> rofl
[06:55] <Scuddie> Like the inability to render small fonts properly :p.
[06:56] <holycow> membreya, lol
[06:56] <holycow> if a geek were a hottie, and were able to code an app for girls ....
[06:56] <holycow> ... he would make millions in less than a year
[06:56] <membreya> lol
[06:56] <dracflamloc> hm
[06:56] <membreya> dracflamloc: tickets on yourself? :P
[06:56] <holycow> sadly all of the variables are mutually exclusive
[06:57] <SeamusLP> I liked this chat better when people were asking for help
[06:57] <dracflamloc> haha
[06:57] <dracflamloc> um ok...
[06:57] <membreya> sorry SeamusLP :P
[06:57] <dracflamloc> how can i get directx to run natively on ubuntu?!?!?!
[06:57] <holycow> SeamusLP, its saturday evening
[06:57] <holycow> relax :)
[06:58] <ablyss> dracflamloc.. install wine
[06:58] <NotANick> SeamusLP: How do I get my dvdburner working FreeBSD?
[06:58] <shad0w1e> dracflamloc: you cna?
[06:58] <SeamusLP> Heh I know, I just think it's a bit ridiculous to run mirc in wine
[06:58] <dracflamloc> ahem
[06:58] <membreya> i would like some help in locating "babe" wallpapers in SVG (pre 1280x1024)
[06:58] <dracflamloc> "Natively"
[06:58] <SeamusLP> when there are like 500 irc clients for linux
[06:58] <shad0w1e> ablyss: oh thats what i thought...
[06:58] <holycow> SeamusLP I'm sure linux is confusing if you've been using windows all your life  <-- or vice versa
[06:58] <dracflamloc> btw
[06:58] <shad0w1e> or CEDEGA : which is better for games
[06:58] <ablyss> natively i think is not possible
[06:58] <dracflamloc> that question was a joke
[06:58] <dracflamloc> heh
[06:58] <ablyss> they wine is pretty dern close to native
[06:58] <ablyss> they/though
[06:58] <holycow> SeamusLP, that statement is funny, i've used linux exclusively now for 2 years, when i try windows xp, it's not exactly what i consider 'intuitive' at all
[06:58] <SeamusLP> NotANick:  cat /dev/random > /dev/hd*
 I liked this chat better when people were asking for help
[06:59] <SeamusLP> holycow:  Just depends on what you're used to
[06:59] <membreya> holycow: whats not intuitive about a "start" button :P ..especially if you want to shut down
[06:59] <Br34ch> Apr 16 23:01:07 localhost kernel: hda: drive_cmd: error=0x04 { DriveStatusError } --//-- Apr 16 23:01:25 localhost kernel: hda: drive_cmd: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }  <-- any ideas, please? :x
[06:59] <NotANick> SeamusLP: Its just writing data to my hd!!! WTF?!?!?!?
[07:00] <holycow> membreya, hehe
[07:00] <imperfect-> So, is there a more stable version of gaim I could roll back to than the default one that ships with hoary?
[07:00] <shad0w1e> is there a way to set my hard drive to sleep after a certain amount of idle time?
[07:00] <membreya> imperfect-: AFAIK there's no stability issues with gaim..but I use kopete
[07:01] <imperfect-> membreya : someone just tried to send me a file and it crashed gaim ;)
[07:01] <imperfect-> membreya : and it was unhappy
[07:01] <Amaranth> Br34ch: The filesystem is corrupted or the drive is failing.
[07:01] <membreya> occasionally mine used to just die ..like no error messages..have you checked your .xsession-errors file
[07:02] <imperfect-> nope
[07:02] <imperfect-> but htat's happened too
[07:02] <imperfect-> Hell, I hooked up my Nikon digital the other day
[07:02] <imperfect-> and the machine just freaked out
[07:02] <Br34ch> Amaranth: That doesn't sound too promising . . . I'm a total nub, what actions would be advisable for me to do?
[07:02] <revelater> what should i do to turn off my secondmonitor?
[07:02] <revelater> (in c)
[07:02] <revelater> (in x)
[07:02] <revelater> not c
[07:02] <imperfect-> lots of complaining about gnome-cups-icon
[07:03] <Amaranth> Br34ch: I'm not sure.
[07:03] <Scuddie> OK...  So is there anything I can do about these small fonts not rendering properly, or am I gonna have to use several large trouts to get some attention?  They're stinky, and I'm not afraid to use them!
[07:03] <imperfect-> Gaim has segfaulted and attempted to dump a core file.
[07:03] <imperfect-> This is a bug in the software and has happened through
[07:03] <imperfect-> no fault of your own.
[07:03] <imperfect-> It is possible that this bug is already fixed in CVS.
[07:03] <imperfect-> If you can reproduce the crash, please notify the gaim
[07:03] <imperfect-> maintainers by reporting a bug at
[07:03] <imperfect-> http://gaim.sourceforge.net/bug.php
[07:03] <SeamusLP> OK maybe I've found a better server now
[07:03] <imperfect-> ;)
[07:04] <revelater> what file do i edit to stop x from supporting a second screen?
[07:04] <membreya> revelater: xorg.conf
[07:04] <membreya> revelater: absolute path is /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[07:05] <membreya> Scuddie: thats because you are
[07:05] <Amaranth> http://www.realistanew.com/xchat.png vs http://www.realistanew.com/mirc.png
[07:05] <Amaranth> you can't tell me mirc looks better, that's for sure
[07:05] <revelater> its either empty or doens't exist...
[07:05] <Scuddie> :(
[07:05] <revelater> mirc is a hackers paradise...
[07:06] <dantheman> i used mirc when i used windows mere days ago
[07:06] <Scuddie> mirc is simple.
[07:06] <Amaranth> revelater: I'm a hacker and I disagree. It might be a crackers paradise. :P
[07:06] <dantheman> it was the worst ap ever
[07:06] <membreya> damn gnome is ugly
[07:06] <dantheman> it told me i wasn't connected no matter what
[07:06] <revelater> right, by hacker i mean cracker...
[07:06] <Scuddie> Sometimes simplicity is better than complexity.
[07:06] <imperfect-> membreya : yeah it sure is
[07:06] <imperfect-> ;)
[07:06] <dantheman> i could be connected to three different servers, and it would still have "not connected" in the title bar
[07:06] <Amaranth> membreya: You think that's ugly?
[07:06] <Br34ch> I'd like some crackers?
[07:06] <imperfect-> I do too
[07:06] <Amaranth> membreya: http://www.realistanew.com/etiquette.png
[07:07] <imperfect-> there needs to be a decent ubuntu themes package ;)
[07:07] <mello> i have two monitors and i want dualies =[
[07:07] <mello> last time i tried X crashed and wouldn't boot
[07:07] <membreya> Amaranth: the panels are what irk me the most
[07:07] <dantheman> mello: it took me three days to get xorg.conf right to get my two monitors to work
[07:07] <Amaranth> Why?
[07:07] <revelater> mello, i am trying t stop x from recognizing my other monitor!!
[07:08] <membreya> Amaranth: http://members.optusnet.com.au/~membreya/snapshot2.png
[07:08] <dantheman> mello: do you want to see my xorg.conf file?
[07:08] <dr_willis> revelater,  useing nvidia card?
[07:08] <revelater> no ati
[07:08] <mello> dantheman: sure, but my second monitor can only support 1024xwhatever, and i like 1260x
[07:08] <Amaranth> membreya: You have that and you think my GNOME is ugly? :P
[07:08] <|QuaD-> membreya: i love it when people have pictures of my gf on their desktop!
[07:08] <Amaranth> membreya: That's the worst theme I've ever seen. :)
[07:08] <revelater> dr_willis: why nvidia easier to shut off?
[07:08] <imperfect-> Yeah
[07:09] <imperfect-> but I'd fuck the shit out of his background
[07:09] <membreya> pah Amaranth :P ...the gnome panels are just so ..plain
[07:09] <imperfect-> theme or not
[07:09] <membreya> haha
[07:09] <dantheman> mello: i don't know how you're going to get your monitor to give you a resolution it can't support, but i can show you my file...i'll msg you
[07:09] <mello> is that elisha cuthbert?
[07:09] <Amaranth> membreya: I like them plain, they tend to not distract me. :)
[07:09] <membreya> mello: it is indeed :D
[07:09] <membreya> Amaranth: girls or panels? :P
[07:09] <mello> she's hot.
[07:09] <dr_willis> revelater,  nvidia has some dual-monitor support thats built in to the nvidia drivers.. OR you can configure them with X and xcinerama i recall.
[07:10] <mello> i tried xcinerama, it's too complex for me
[07:10] <mello> i'd LOVE to see some dual-monitor support in breezey
[07:10] <imperfect-> mello: i dont care what her name is!
[07:10] <imperfect-> names are far too personal
[07:10] <|QuaD-> membreya: other than the fancy icons, it seems that there is nothing on your kde-panel (or whatever it is called) that kde can
[07:10] <imperfect-> this is purely a beastfsck!
[07:10] <Amaranth> membreya: My answer depends on the situation. :)
[07:10] <|QuaD-> that gnome can't do
[07:10] <|QuaD-> mello: i am using dual monitors
[07:10] <dr_willis> Mello - Hmm.. you got 2 ati video cards? or 1 card with 2 video outs?
[07:10] <|QuaD-> i have been since warty
[07:10] <Amaranth> |QuaD-: It's not a panel, it's kicker.
[07:10] <membreya> |QuaD-: my point was ...that the panels for gnome are plain and ugly.
[07:10] <mello> dr_willis: nope, i got an nVidia 5200 with 2 outputs if you will
[07:11] <|QuaD-> Amaranth: hehe, yeah forgot the name
[07:11] <|QuaD-> membreya: your desktop is too bright :)
[07:11] <membreya> lol :P
[07:11] <concept10> anyone have any success using a DLink Airplus wireless card with ubuntu?
[07:11] <dr_willis> mello,  so you can use the nvidia 'method' or the xcinerima method.   I never did get nvidias stuff working right.
[07:11] <membreya> mello: http://members.optusnet.com.au/~membreya/ecuthb1012rg.jpg & http://members.optusnet.com.au/~membreya/ecuthb1026ok.jpg
[07:11] <membreya> there ya go :P
[07:11] <mello> gracias
[07:11] <membreya> still looking for some SVG versions :|
[07:11] <mello> i'll try the xcinerima method, but i'm a newb
[07:12] <|QuaD-> mello membreya quit showing people pictures of my gf!
[07:12] <|QuaD-> sorry that was for membreya
[07:12] <membreya> |QuaD-: if she insists on tarting herself out ..then it's expected :P
[07:12] <dr_willis> Mello yea pay attention to any docs you find to be sure which is for what.. actually I was able to get dual monitors working  i think with the x config tools. added a 2nd monitor. and so forth to them,
[07:12] <|QuaD-> membreya: watch your mouth!
[07:12] <dr_willis> mello,  be sure to backup your working X configs
[07:13] <JonnySlack> mello, YES, backup the working file.. it will save you a headache.
[07:13] <Amaranth> membreya, |QuaD-: http://www.realistanew.com/sick.png :D
[07:13] <|QuaD-> mello: if you play enough with the X org configs, you will get it, it took me 48 hours to get it setup how i wanted originally
[07:13] <membreya> Amaranth: hahaha :P
[07:13] <mello> i tried that last time but didn't know the commands to replace the new with the backup
[07:14] <membreya> no ..you haven't tweaked it ..its still ugly :P
[07:14] <mello> it's just cp
[07:14] <|QuaD-> Amaranth: whooaaa.... how did you do that? photoshop?
[07:14] <mello> for copy right?
[07:14] <dantheman> mmmmmm....elisha
[07:14] <dantheman> she's all mine
[07:14] <membreya> kicker AND panels ..impressive ;)
[07:14] <Amaranth> |QuaD-: Nope, I deleted the bottom panel and started kicker.
[07:14] <dantheman> mello: backup using cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf_backup
[07:14] <EeYoRe> hello all
[07:14] <|QuaD-> Amaranth: is that stable?
[07:14] <Amaranth> Probably not
[07:14] <|QuaD-> does it crash a lot
[07:15] <Amaranth> i dunno, i just did it
[07:15] <membreya> dantheman: she said not to tell |QuaD- ..but she's everybodys :D
[07:15] <dantheman> mello: replace the the config file with the backup using sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf_backup /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[07:15] <dantheman> LIAR!
[07:15] <EeYoRe> why do i get a port scan when when i log on to ubuntu?
[07:15] <dantheman> i'm drunk, and i'll defend my woman to the death!
[07:15] <Amaranth> |QuaD-: I'm not going to keep it. :)
[07:15] <thechitowncubs> can anyone explain backports
[07:15] <EeYoRe> any one from south africa here
[07:15] <Scuddie> ...Perhaps I need a better fontset.
[07:16] <|QuaD-> Amaranth: it looks cool :) you should save the screen shot
[07:16] <revelater> how do i add support for additional diplay sizes through XF86conf-4?
[07:16] <Scuddie> I'm from South Sacramento, if that counts.
[07:16] <membreya> |QuaD-: except that his kicker looks danged ugly
[07:16] <mello> how do i create a backup?
[07:16] <membreya> dantheman: ...give it up ..elisha has given it to everyone ;)
[07:16] <revelater> i have one that is:  Modes       "1024x768"
[07:16] <dantheman> oh no you did not
[07:16] <mello> sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf_backup
[07:16] <|QuaD-> membreya: proof of concept cool not practicality cool
[07:16] <mello> ?
[07:16] <dantheman> i'm done now
[07:17] <revelater> mello: yes
[07:17] <dr_willis> mello,  that is how you copy the file to a backup :P
[07:17] <mello>  yeah man i'm a terminal newb
[07:17] <mello> <-- winXP junkie
[07:17] <Amaranth> I've already switched back. :)
[07:17] <mello> JUNKie
[07:17] <imperfect-> being a newb won't kill you
[07:17] <imperfect-> I don't think.
[07:17] <membreya> imperfect-: yes it will ;)
[07:17] <mello> it did last time i tried dualies
[07:17] <membreya> I killed my /var directory the other day :P
[07:17] <imperfect-> membreya : hehe
[07:17] <imperfect-> I dunno
[07:17] <revelater> what is the syntax to support more resolutions???
[07:18] <imperfect-> I've been using linux for 10 years
[07:18] <membreya> now I rsync my entire linux install daily
[07:18] <dantheman> on windows xp, dual monitors is so easy...install ultramon...configure exactly how you want...done
[07:18] <imperfect-> and i get so frustrated that I almost have a stroke sometimes
[07:18] <imperfect-> I think being a long time user is far more dangerous
[07:18] <imperfect-> ;)
[07:18] <Scuddie> Grrrr...
[07:18] <revelater> i have one that is:  Modes       "1024x768"
[07:18] <membreya> more commands to screw around with :P
[07:18] <Scuddie> I don't even have access to su.
[07:18] <membreya> Scuddie: use sudo
[07:18] <membreya> or sudo -s -H
[07:18] <dantheman> can anyone tell me how well gtkpod works?
[07:18] <revelater> do i add a comma then parenthases and the next uno i want?
[07:18] <dantheman> i have an existing itunes db
[07:19] <dantheman> and all the music on an external hard drive
[07:19] <DanglyBits> is there a ubuntu guide to setup dual boot with windowsXP?
[07:19] <imperfect-> dantheman : works pretty well -- but if you re-connected to itunes
[07:19] <revelater> fine be that way...
[07:19] <mello> dangly, two harddrives works best
[07:19] <NotANick> wb SeamusLP, intarweb problems? roommate being a bithc about the internet?
[07:19] <|QuaD-> DanglyBits: i just used trial and error
[07:19] <imperfect-> dantheman : there's is a massive explosion ;)
[07:19] <membreya> Amaranth: surprised you didn't pick on the amount of swap space I use :P
[07:19] <Amaranth> SeamusLP: Kick goldfish a couple times for me. :)
[07:20] <SeamusLP> I'm going to
[07:20] <DanglyBits> mello: thats the way i've done it in the past with other distros
[07:20] <dantheman> uh oh...will the explosion destroy my hard-earned ipod?
[07:20] <mello> DanglyBits: i'm using an old 10GB harddrive for ubuntu, and the 80GB master
[07:20] <mello> for winxp
[07:20] <SeamusLP> He set his IP to mine, we spent 15 minutes testing out ports on our hub/switch
[07:20] <membreya> lol SeamusLP :P
[07:20] <imperfect-> I'm going to put a 200gig drive in a cage tomorrow
[07:20] <Amaranth> membreya: 3MB, what about it? :)
[07:20] <imperfect-> so my powerbook will have good storage
[07:20] <membreya> Amaranth: i meant the max ;)
[07:21] <Zugot> i was just looking at the code for update-notifier
[07:21] <Amaranth> yeah, why do you need so much swap?
[07:21] <Zugot> its a mess
[07:21] <DanglyBits> mello:  the previous dual boots use mapping is that the same way ubuntu can be dual booted?
[07:21] <Zugot> a real mess
[07:21] <membreya> Amaranth: ubuntu configured it that way :P
[07:21] <mello> dude i have no idea what you just said
[07:21] <dantheman> i mean, worse becomes worst, i can just hard-reset all the data on my ipod, and recopy all the music to it with itunes on windows, right?
[07:21] <|QuaD-> i have 512 mb swap
[07:21] <mello> but i got the old harddrive and used the preview hoary install and it setup the G-something booter
[07:21] <SeeRSea> I got a gig of swap
[07:21] <ikaro> http://ikaro.homepage.dk/05-04-17_07:20:17_1600x1200.png
[07:21] <imperfect-> Anyone used ampache?
[07:21] <Amaranth> membreya: http://www.realistanew.com/resources.png
[07:22] <cafuego> You can use all that sawp space via tmpfs anyway. It doesn't matter.
[07:22] <Scuddie> I wonder what will happen when I press ctrl+alt+delete right this very moment...
[07:22] <Amaranth> membreya: So not only is GNOME easier to use, it also uses less memory. :)
[07:22] <kingsley> What's a reliable color printer?
[07:22] <Amaranth> membreya: And thats even with firefox and mono running, two heavy RAM eaters.
[07:22] <spine> DanglyBits: What oter distro's have you installed
[07:22] <membreya> Amaranth: pov harddrive space :P
[07:22] <mello> epson stylus 777
[07:22] <Amaranth> membreya: ?
[07:22] <SeamusLP> Amaranth:  My main argument for gnome is that it doesn't look like crap
[07:22] <mello> mine is 4 years old and still chugs
[07:22] <mello> and works with ubuntu
[07:22] <membreya> Amaranth: 20gb less than me ;)
[07:22] <SeeRSea> I wonder if firefox has a mem leak under linux like it does under w2k?
[07:22] <SeeRSea> I doubt it.
[07:22] <imperfect-> Why does memory matter?
[07:22] <DanglyBits> spine:i've dual booted gentoo before
[07:22] <imperfect-> I've got a GIG
[07:22] <Amaranth> membreya: meh
[07:23] <imperfect-> I never use it
[07:23] <imperfect-> Is there a firefox update yet?
[07:23] <Zugot> 1GB isn't a lot nowadays
[07:23] <imperfect-> for 1.0.3?
[07:23] <imperfect-> Zugot: It's plenty.
[07:23] <imperfect-> Zugot : I never use 500.
[07:23] <Zugot> i have a 1.5GB on this laptop and i hit swap every once in a while...
[07:23] <SeeRSea> 1 gig of ram was for XP in my box.  XP wanted it
[07:23] <Amaranth> membreya: 120GB, 140GB, what's the difference? :)
[07:23] <Amaranth> membreya: I'll never use it all anyway.
[07:23] <membreya> Amaranth: penis size :P
[07:23] <Scuddie> Speaking of ctrl+alt+delete, is there a task manager similar to Server 2003 available
[07:23] <Amaranth> membreya: I win again then. ;)
[07:23] <membreya> anyhoo ....how do you tell how much ram each app is using?
[07:23] <membreya> haha
[07:24] <SeeRSea> ps
[07:24] <Zugot> membreya: you could have a look at "top"
[07:24] <Zugot> or ps
[07:24] <Amaranth> Scuddie: Applications->System Tools->System Monitor
[07:24] <Amaranth> membreya: You too, if you feel like using a GNOME app. :)
[07:24] <imperfect-> gtop!
[07:25] <Zugot> i have way too much swap
[07:25] <Zugot> 2GB
[07:25] <Scuddie> Dang it!
[07:25] <cafuego> Zugot: No, that's fine.
[07:25] <Amaranth> ikaro: What wm is that?
[07:25] <Scuddie> 1024x768 is way too small!
[07:25] <DanglyBits> what is the name of the actual grub configuration file
[07:25] <Zugot> Scuddie: yes it is...
[07:25] <spine> DanglyBits: you wont have a problem with this
[07:25] <Zugot> DanglyBits: /boot/grup/menu.lst
[07:25] <SeeRSea> grub.conf, right?
[07:26] <SeeRSea> nope
[07:26] <Zugot> er /boot/grub/menu.lst
[07:26] <dantheman> well, it's time for drunk dan to hit the sack...i'll talk to you guys in the morning when it's time to get my ipod working
[07:26] <membreya> top only shows me % used by the app...
[07:26] <Scuddie> It would help if I could get 1152x864
[07:26] <membreya> hmmm
[07:26] <skel_home> membreya: you said you were using ethereal without issues.. are you on the x86_64 version of hoary?
[07:26] <Scuddie> Too bad it wont let me.
[07:26] <Zugot> i'm running at 1280x800...
[07:26] <delltony> question: i setup ltmodem and i believe i have it working cause i had no errors when i compiled the module and then modprobed it but now that it is installed how do i go about testing to see if it dials or initalizes?
[07:26] <membreya> skel_home: amd64-generic..and I'm running breezy now
[07:26] <Zugot> membreya: what kernel are you running?
[07:26] <SeeRSea> pppconfig
[07:26] <membreya> 1280x800 Zugot ? :|
[07:26] <delltony> ok i did that part
[07:26] <SeeRSea> pon
[07:26] <Zugot> membreya: yup 1280x800
[07:26] <Amaranth> Zugot: Laptop widescreen. :)
[07:26] <skel_home> membreya: hmm ok. trying to run strace with my system locks it up =/
[07:26] <Zugot> Amaranth: yup...
[07:26] <membreya> Zugot: 2.6.10-5-amd64-generic
[07:27] <delltony> but how do i make it dial after running pppconfig?
[07:27] <SeeRSea> pon to activate the modem, poff to off it
[07:27] <Zugot> i'll switch to breezy when then include a 2.6.11 kernel
[07:27] <delltony> oh so just type at the # pon?
[07:27] <membreya> SeeRSea: lol I thought you were saying porn before :|
[07:27] <membreya> damnit elisha!!
[07:27] <delltony> same here
[07:27] <Scuddie> I want to run at 1152x864.  How do I change the modes to force it?
[07:27] <delltony> iw as like what the hell
[07:27] <SeeRSea> :)  just type 'porn'
[07:27] <delltony> haha
[07:27] <SeeRSea> I'd run sudo pppconfig, and configure your settings first
[07:28] <Zugot> i have breezy running in a vmware session
[07:28] <delltony> i did that
[07:28] <delltony> i have done pppconfig ;)
[07:28] <SeeRSea> If i remember, pon with turn the modem on without configuring pppconfig.  I think...
[07:28] <delltony> but porn isn't working or maybe it is
[07:28] <Zugot> not much difference from hoary now
[07:28] <cafuego> membreya: ANy known issues in breezy amd64? I'm fetching about 250Mb of updates atm... :-)
[07:28] <delltony> i just typed pon and got nothing as in #pon then returns to #
[07:28] <Scuddie> Dang it!
[07:28] <SeeRSea> Hrm.
[07:28] <imperfect-> Yeah
[07:28] <imperfect-> I ask for poon all the time
[07:28] <imperfect-> I dont get jack
[07:28] <mello> http://photobucket.com/albums/y90/mellowyllw6/?
[07:28] <membreya> cafuego: jebus..my first update (last nite) was only 100
[07:29] <mello> does anybody have a website hosted on their ubuntu box?
[07:29] <fazer> Hello there, any thinkpad 600e users in the house?
[07:29] <Scuddie> I dont.
[07:29] <SeeRSea> Do you have an external modem?
[07:29] <mello> no..
[07:29] <delltony> no i don't SeeRSea
[07:29] <SeeRSea> I went out and bought one just for linux
[07:29] <cafuego> membreya: Oh no, you're right. 129Mb; 285 packages
[07:29] <delltony> its a internel geewiz modem
[07:29] <SeeRSea> Winmodems are a bitch
[07:29] <fazer> SeeRSea, you said it.
[07:29] <pilo> im using ubuntu horay hedgehog (the amd-64 version) and i want to add macromedia flash support. i have downloaded the linux plugin from macromedia and i tried to run the installation script but it returned an error that it did not recognize the 64 bit architecture so the manual install instructions said to copy the two files into the plugin folder but idk which one that is
[07:29] <SeeRSea> An external serial will be much easier
[07:30] <Scuddie> Speaking of external modems, how do I force a 1152x864 screen resolution?
[07:30] <delltony> i understand, just trying to give computer to my aunt for her kids is all
[07:30] <cafuego> pilo: Don't bother. it crashes. Lots.
[07:30] <membreya> cafuego: lol :P ....and the only issue I know of with breezy that has been reported thus far is evince
[07:30] <delltony> i don't really wanna put any extra money into it
[07:30] <pilo> does it crash in all flavors of ubuntu?
[07:30] <SeamusLP> pilo: Might want a 32-bit chroot for that
[07:31] <delltony> just not sure how i can ata the modem to see if its even working but i assume thats what pon does
[07:31] <DanglyBits> how can i increase the size of fonts in most of the menubars?
[07:31] <cafuego> pilo: it crashes on hoary amd64 and in the hoary-ia32 chroot.
[07:31] <Zugot> Scuddie: have a look at your xorg.conf
[07:31] <pilo> hmm
[07:31] <pilo> ic
[07:31] <cafuego> delltony: pon (pppd) log into syslog.
[07:31] <pilo> i am sol then?
[07:31] <shad0w1e> is hoary any LESS stable than warty?
[07:31] <Zugot> amd64 linux just ain't there yet
[07:31] <SeeRSea> Yes, pon will turn the modem on and you should hear a dial tone if it's detected by linux
[07:31] <SeeRSea> My internal PCI never did
[07:31] <membreya> Zugot: blame developers..not linux ;)
[07:32] <Zugot> i'm running x86 hoary on my amd64 laptop
[07:32] <cafuego> Zugot: The Linux is fine, it's companies like macromedia that can't be arsed porting their (not that great) software
[07:32] <Zugot> membreya: oh i know
[07:32] <SeeRSea> You'd think they'd have shockwave.
[07:32] <membreya> i figure if something doesnt install on my amd64..it's not worth installing.
[07:32] <Zugot> cafuego: they'll port it one day...
[07:32] <membreya> althooooooooough oo.o2 I'm annoyed about
[07:33] <imperfect-> membreya : That's lame ;)
[07:33] <membreya> :P
[07:33] <cafuego> Zugot: Yes, in 2008, when nobody uses their software anymore...
[07:33] <Zugot> membreya: i can't say that... my vpn software doesn't run in 64bit mode
[07:33] <imperfect-> membreya : amb64 is far too young for you to have that position ;)
[07:33] <JonnySlack> Anyone here know their way around eth1394???
[07:33] <SeamusLP> membreya:  Wow OOo2 won't install?
[07:33] <DanglyBits> how can i increase the size of fonts in most of the menubars..in firefox, terminal mode etc...
[07:33] <Zugot> my next laptop is gonna have 1600x1200 resoultion
[07:33] <cafuego> Zugot: weight bad
[07:33] <ryman> hi guys, I installed KDE ffrom synaptic
[07:33] <membreya> SeamusLP: I will just test..it's been a few weeks :)
[07:34] <ryman> how do I run it ?
[07:34] <JonnySlack> Anyone at all... I've got an odd error that ends up crippling my system.
[07:34] <JonnySlack> Anyone here know their way around eth1394???
[07:34] <fazer> damn, no laptop users in her?
[07:34] <fazer> heh
[07:34] <Zugot> fazer: i'm on a laptop right now
[07:34] <DanglyBits> anyone have ubuntu-amd64 running on a compaq pressario R3240 laptop?
[07:34] <cafuego> fazer: I use various laptops.
[07:34] <fazer> Zugot, is it a Thinkpad 600E?
[07:34] <JonnySlack> fazer, me too
[07:34] <fazer> Which one of you use Thinkpad 600e?
[07:34] <Zugot> no... its a compaq presario r3340us laptop
[07:34] <membreya> SeamusLP: yup..still can't install openoffice.org2-common: Depends: openoffice.org2-core (> 1.9.79.2) but it is not installable
[07:34] <liable> fazer: whats the problem
[07:35] <Zugot> i want a thinkpad t42
[07:35] <fazer> liable, sound card doesn't work =(
[07:35] <DanglyBits> Zugot: is that an amd64 processor?
[07:35] <Zugot> DanglyBits: yup
[07:35] <DanglyBits> Zugot: any problems?
[07:35] <JonnySlack> ubuntu is being a bitch...
[07:35] <JonnySlack> right now at leat.
[07:35] <JonnySlack> least**
[07:36] <Zugot> DanglyBits: amd64 hoary had some problems...  x86 is working fine.. i just need to configure the touchpad to use the scrolling part
[07:36] <Amaranth> NotANick: wtf was that in #pymusique?
[07:36] <DanglyBits> Zugot:was that the only problem with amd64 hoary?
[07:36] <JonnySlack> after the update from warty to hoary I can't use TCP/IP over firewire.
[07:36] <smouche> Zugot -- how do you do that -- the touchpad setup?
[07:36] <Burgundavia> ryman, to run kde, select it from the session when you login
[07:36] <sig> http://harrisplace.net/screenshots/Ubuntu-Screenshots/wgetubuntu.png
[07:36] <JonnySlack> Which is my main connection from my laptop to my desktop.
[07:36] <ryman> Burgundavia[]  I dont see it
[07:37] <SeeRSea> I had problems going from Warty to hoary as well.  It wasn't smooth..
[07:37] <DanglyBits> Zugot: synaptic drivers
[07:37] <Amaranth> membreya: I have a better background for you, btw. :)
[07:37] <SeeRSea> I just rebuilt to straight hoary.
[07:37] <ryman> do I have to restart comp or I can just log off and its gonna be there ?
[07:37] <liable> fazer: does lsmod show sound modules?
[07:37] <NotANick> Amaranth: Me and go1dfish were testing features of our irc clients
[07:37] <membreya> Amaranth: bring it :D
[07:37] <SeamusLP> Amaranth:  I think he was demonstrating to goldfish the difference between /query and /msg
[07:37] <Zugot> DanglyBits: hmm... vmware 4 didn't work... but i upgraded.   there are oo problems, and my vpn software didn't work
[07:37] <membreya> sig: pretty :P
[07:37] <sig> :)
[07:37] <Zugot> my vpn software is pretty damn important to me
[07:37] <NotANick> Amaranth: I told him about the query feature which he didnt know about
[07:37] <membreya> i like the OSX style kicker :P
[07:37] <imperfect-> OS X > All.
[07:37] <ryman> Burgundavia[]  lets me restart comp
[07:37] <imperfect-> ;)
[07:37] <JonnySlack> SeeRSea, I was told to do a clean install from a friend. but the point is, you should not have to with a debian/apt system.
[07:37] <NotANick> Amaranth: and yet he claims to be "l33t"
[07:37] <Zugot> DanglyBits: i'm gonna hold off till i can get a 2.6.11 kernel on my laptop
[07:38] <SeeRSea> Jonny- agreed
[07:38] <DanglyBits> is there any versions of ubuntu running off a usb stick..similar to the way gentoo is used for flashlinux?
[07:38] <JonnySlack> imperfect-, and then you try to tweak the system.... OSX != teh,win
[07:38] <membreya> sig: ...but what was the purpose of that screen shot?
[07:38] <Amaranth> NotANick: He wrote an ecc algoritm that completes in less than a second, could you?
[07:38] <SeamusLP> Amaranth:  He's already got one.
[07:38] <DanglyBits> Zugot: is there a 2.6.11 kernel version for hoary amd64?
[07:38] <sig> membreya: bordom
[07:38] <membreya> lol sig :P
[07:38] <Zugot> DanglyBits: not one you want to use
[07:39] <Amaranth> NotANick: He is getting his name plastered all around the internet for work on PyMusique, are you?
[07:39] <Scuddie> anybody:  How can I force a 1152x864x32 resolution?  I'd really like to know.
[07:39] <Amaranth> NotANick: He wins. :)
[07:39] <membreya> if you want to compare speeds...im up for it :P
[07:39] <DanglyBits> is there any versions of ubuntu running off a usb stick..similar to the way gentoo is used for flashlinux?
[07:39] <NotANick> Amaranth: i'm more "l33t" cause my names NOT plastered all over the internet
[07:39] <Zugot> my amd64 3200 runs x86 fast enough
[07:39] <ryman> Burgundavia[]   I logged off but I dont see KDE in there
[07:40] <Amaranth> NotANick: This isn't "the scene" so I don't see how that makes sense.
[07:40] <Zugot> SeeRSea: boo!
[07:40] <SeeRSea> BLOATware  :)
[07:40] <membreya> SeeRSea: back away from the KDE and nobody gets hurt
[07:40] <NotANick> Amaranth: be cool...I understand how good he is...dmn i'm talking to him IRL right now
[07:40] <Burgundavia> ryman, did you install kubuntu-desktop?
[07:40] <mfyahya> hi all, i just finished my first ever install of ubuntu.. i got a problem: i can't browse in firefox.. i can ping google.com though
[07:40] <ryman> I instaleld KDE
[07:40] <ryman> not kubuntu-desktop
[07:41] <membreya> dher ryman :P
[07:41] <Zugot> yeah get kubuntu-desktop
[07:41] <delltony> interesting pon does work so i take it pon the the number?
[07:41] <membreya> next time follow the guides :)
[07:41] <cafuego> DanglyBits: My self-compiled 2.6.11.7 works fine and has been for a week or so.
[07:41] <membreya> mfyahya: tried disabling IPv6 in firefox?
[07:41] <Amaranth> NotANick: Cool, kick him for me. ;)
[07:41] <delltony> cause i see on my phone it says line in use when i type pon
[07:41] <Zugot> does ubuntu use stock kernels?
[07:41] <SeeRSea> delltony, yes.  If you set up your connection with pppconfig, you can pon <connection name>
[07:41] <Zugot> i'm curious what patches they are applying
[07:41] <cafuego> Zugot: if you install them, yes.
[07:41] <delltony> ok
[07:41] <delltony> will try :)
[07:41] <cafuego> Zugot: Oh, probably the debian patches. Initrd etc.
[07:42] <SeeRSea> At least you got a connection.  that's most of the battle
[07:42] <mello> ok fellas i need an honest opinion
[07:42] <mello> is keira knightley hot
[07:42] <mello> i say no
[07:42] <Zugot> i'll look at putting a 2.6.11 on here tomorrow morning
[07:42] <mello> she's pretty, but no
[07:42] <JonnySlack> mello, I'll give an honest answer
[07:42] <mfyahya> membreya: how do i disable ipv6 in firefox?
[07:42] <SeeRSea> By the way Tony, do you work for Dhell?
[07:42] <JonnySlack> mello, no
[07:43] <ryman> Burgundavia[]  I'm donwloadng Kubuntu-desktop
[07:43] <JonnySlack> ryman, noo... kde is "teh suck"
[07:43] <JonnySlack> hehe
[07:43] <NotANick> xfce 4tw
[07:43] <mello> where are some good ubuntu themes?
[07:44] <SeamusLP> Come on, no DE flamewars
[07:44] <mfyahya> membreya: i can access sites by their ip, i can ping by hostname.. but i can't browse by hostname.. wierd
[07:44] <thechitowncubs> Hey, has anyone gotten samba to work in Hoary?
[07:44] <delltony> sweet, houston this is eagle one WE HAVE LANDED :)
[07:44] <delltony> it works
[07:44] <thechitowncubs> It was easier w/ Warty, and hoary even has a GUI for shared folders
[07:44] <delltony> thanks for the help guys
[07:44] <SeeRSea> Are you one tony?
[07:44] <SeeRSea> on*
[07:44] <delltony> yep
[07:44] <SeeRSea> Right on
[07:44] <delltony> working perfect
[07:44] <membreya> mfyahya: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#loadwebsitefaster
[07:44] <SeeRSea> poff to turn it off in the console
[07:44] <ryman> anyone know how to make desktop look like this http://ubuntuforums.org/gallery/showimage.php?i=86&original=1&c=2
[07:45] <thechitowncubs> Can anyone help me set this up if they have gotten it to work?
[07:45] <delltony> now i can give her a linux pc that works great
[07:45] <ryman> eye candy i'm dying for it
[07:45] <delltony> so ill just make a launcher for her to connect and disconnnect
[07:45] <delltony> thanks a million man
[07:45] <membreya> very funky ryman
[07:46] <goldfish> emmmmm
[07:46] <goldfish> What's this kick goldfish business? :)
[07:46] <ryman> i want to know how to make it like that
[07:47] <goldfish> ah right
[07:47] <goldfish> go1dfish not goldfish
[07:47] <membreya> ryman: lots of tweaking...message the person
[07:48] <delltony> the hoary repositories they on the wiki or in a forum?
[07:48] <SeeRSea> The hoary repos should be listed in etc/apt/sources.list- just uncomment them
[07:48] <delltony> on a array 5?
[07:48] <unperson> I just upgraded from Warty to Hoary via synaptic and I have a few questions.  a) How can I tell that I'm using X.org and not X11?
[07:49] <delltony> i'm wanting to dist-upgrade it to the current one if not ill check on this pc what i have in there
[07:49] <cafuego> whoops
[07:49] <cafuego> synaptic just fell over and did poo
[07:49] <ryman> membreya[]  I just did =P
[07:49] <SeeRSea> They should be on the forums.  I thought you had hoary
[07:49] <SeeRSea> Google it
[07:51] <SeamusLP> unperson:  If you upgraded to hoary you should have x.org
[07:51] <mfyahya> membreya: Thanks! it worked, have a good day all, bye
[07:51] <membreya> firefox sucks..nuff said
[07:52] <ryman> membreya |  what do you prefer ?
[07:52] <JonnySlack> membreya, nuff said? no, enough has not been said. Firefox rock! I love it.
[07:52] <camcorder> so go fix it
[07:52] <SeeRSea> I love fox
[07:52] <membreya> ryman: I use KDE so I use konqueror..when I was using gnome I used galleon
[07:53] <ryman> my menu is frozen
[07:53] <NotANick> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&forumid=7&threadid=313057: ie in ubuntu
[07:53] <ryman> IE in Ubuntu is nice
[07:53] <SeamusLP> hahahahahahaha
[07:53] <SeeRSea> I miss pop ups
[07:53] <Revil> does anyone know if the Nforce 4 chipset is supported in V. 5.04
[07:53] <NotANick> i love it
[07:53] <SeeRSea> and malware
[07:54] <Revil> becuse i was having problems in 4.10
[07:54] <NotANick> it makes my ubuntu install look nicer
[07:54] <ryman> oh ok ... Mr Bill just frozen my comp
[07:54] <scorpix> is there a repository for apache 2.1.4?
[07:54] <delltony> SeeRSea, isn't there like a modules.autoload so i don't have to modprobe ltserial on each boot?
[07:55] <SeeRSea> tony- I assume so.  I'm a newbie myself.
[07:56] <SeamusLP> scorpix: I see 2.0.53
[07:57] <delltony> thats fine we are all learning each day
[07:57] <scorpix> SeamusLP: i mean the alpha version.
[07:57] <membreya> SeamusLP: yup ...running breezy and that's the version I have
[07:57] <NotANick> yeah, i havent been running ubuntu long myself, i'm still a newb
[07:58] <SeamusLP> scorpix: If you want an alpha version of apache, it's probably not going to be in any repository
[07:58] <SeamusLP> scorpix:  I think you're stuck with source
[08:00] <scorpix> SeamusLP: there's an experimental repository for debian that contain many of alphas/betas, so i think maybe there's similar for ubuntu.
[08:00] <SeamusLP> scorpix:  No, I think your best bet would be said repository
[08:00] <SeamusLP> scorpix:  I can imagine it breaking pretty easily though
[08:01] <delltony> SeeRSea, found it its /etc/modules
[08:01] <ryman> 1 thing i want to say about KDE, the font in the menu is butt ugly
[08:01] <cafuego> stuff from debian project/experimental often has broken depends.
[08:01] <SeeRSea> excellent
[08:01] <SeeRSea> Tony, do you work for Dhell?
[08:01] <warpuck> I am installing Ububtu right know to try it out. how does wine wok on it ok or not so good
[08:02] <warpuck> wok = work
[08:02] <delltony> no way i actually fix computers :P
[08:02] <membreya> ryman: change it
[08:02] <SeeRSea> haha.  I fix Dhellz
[08:02] <cafuego> warpuck: No idea, I run it on amd64 and PPC, wine works on neither.
[08:02] <delltony> their support sucks
[08:02] <SeeRSea> Oh man, their helpless desk is a mindfuck
[08:02] <ryman> membreya|  no idea how to change it
[08:02] <delltony> i called them up asking them what the horizonal sync was for this monitor
[08:02] <delltony> they go what os
[08:03] <SeeRSea> oh no
[08:03] <delltony> i go that has nothing to do with my horizontal sync and vertical sync
[08:03] <cafuego> delltony: Well, that honestly serves you right for not using google.
[08:03] <membreya> ryman: go to control center > appearance and themes > fonts
[08:03] <delltony> here we go again with the google stuff
[08:03] <delltony> you happy now :)
[08:03] <cafuego> ey?
[08:03] <delltony> i did google but i figured the manufactor would know what their hsync and vsync is
[08:04] <delltony> i actually had the values but wanted to make sure they were right
[08:04] <cafuego> delltony: Sure, but not call-center monkeys.
[08:04] <membreya> delltony: you assume too much
[08:04] <cafuego> delltony: rule #1: They know nothing.
[08:04] <delltony> i know that
[08:04] <SeeRSea> lol
[08:04] <delltony> now can i finish my story :p
[08:04] <warpuck> hay I am a call center monkey
[08:05] <warpuck> but I dont use a script
[08:05] <membreya> warpuck: so am I ..but I do internet banking support :P ...damn linux users
[08:05] <delltony> make it short i told them i had linux they go no support it i go fine then i hvae windows xp
[08:05] <delltony> then they told me the values haha
[08:05] <delltony> but none the less google is my friend and is yours too
[08:06] <Burgundavia> [[Image:AirportFrankfurt fromair.jpg] ] 
[08:06] <delltony> let that be a lesson children never call tech support for technical questions
[08:06] <cafuego> the only time I *vere* call dell is if a piece of hardware breaks, that I can't fix myself
[08:06] <ryman> membreya|  thanks , it looks better now
[08:06] <delltony> oh that was the first time i ever called support in my life
[08:07] <delltony> cause i wasn't sure on the values
[08:07] <delltony> and only reason i did that was cause i didn't want potential burnin
[08:07] <cafuego> delltony: Well, you invariably don't need them for X anyway. They get probed, works fine in 99% of cases.
[08:07] <NotANick> just build it yourself and you'll have all the info you need
[08:08] <delltony> ok thats good to know
[08:08] <delltony> none the less i'm tired and thanks for the help, and the google tip :D
[08:08] <warpuck> how long does the network repository test take in the install its benn going for a while
[08:09] <membreya> warpuck: press alt+f2 ..and type ifconfig eth0 mtu 1500
[08:09] <delltony> i know one thing ubuntu is great, it took me last week 5 days to install gentoo with all the emergin and i have a fast connection on it haha anyway thats my story and i'm stickin to it
[08:09] <kkathman> allo all :)
[08:09] <Raskall> g'morning.
[08:09] <membreya> hey kkathman :)
[08:10] <kkathman> membreya: Got a couple of Ims from you but you closed the pane I guess :)
[08:10] <membreya> :P
[08:11] <kkathman> say membreya Im trying to create a launch icon on a desktop, but when I navigate to eh executable it gives me a msg that says the only "local" files are allowed?? What gives?
[08:11] <kkathman> the executable is in a deep directory under /usr/local/
[08:11] <membreya> kkathman: you'll notice that it has sda or hda: // ..you need to take that out
[08:11] <kkathman> ahh ok
[08:13] <concept10> If I could get this wireless adapter to work I would install ubuntu on my sisters old P-II laptop, does anyone have a wireless adapter that works with the hedgehog?
[08:13] <membreya> hah..g'day smouche :)
[08:14] <kkathman> morning btw membreya  and howdy there smouche :)
[08:14] <membreya> kkathman: got that launcher done now ? ;)
[08:16] <kkathman> membreya: still having difficulties...typing I think..but I'll see
[08:16] <NotANick> SeamusLP: Jag tnkte installera torsmo, och kra det fr att det verkade coolt...
[08:16] <kkathman> ahh there we go
[08:17] <kkathman> smouche: got all my boxes up and running now :)
[08:17] <kkathman> I put a new Ubuntu box in service
[08:18] <kkathman> I now have as many LInux as Windows in the house now :)
[08:19] <kkathman> if I disregard the wireless ones
[08:19] <SeamusLP> NotANick:       
[08:19] <thechitowncubs> hey
[08:19] <thechitowncubs> does anyone have an ipw2200?
[08:20] <NotANick> SeamusLP: ?? ?? ???????? ???, cockbite.
[08:21] <SeamusLP> yeah korean fonts look awesome in ubuntu
[08:21] <kkathman> they look real nice, but I cant read them, so I cant help :)
[08:21] <SeamusLP> I dunno, NotANick decided to post swedish, so I did the best I could and responded in korean
[08:21] <Dangly> what is the version of 2.6.11 i should install for amd64?
[08:21] <NotANick> SeamusLP and I happen to be multilingual and use eachother to help practice the langauges
[08:22] <kkathman> so whats going on with kde-apps and kde-look ??
[08:22] <Dangly> is it the linux-image-2.6.11-1 amd64 -generic?
[08:22] <NotANick> and i countered his korean with my russian
[08:22] <go1dfish> kkathman: referring to their aesthetic flaws?
[08:23] <Dangly> kkathman: they just changed servers over yesterday..maybe they have some problems
[08:23] <kkathman> go1dfish: no as in they arent accessible...maybe they are now but they werent a few mins ago
[08:23] <SeamusLP> Dangly:  I think k7 is what you're looking for with amd64
[08:23] <membreya> erm no ..k8
[08:23] <membreya> not k7
[08:23] <go1dfish> oh, I thought you were talking about the apps/look themselves
[08:23] <membreya> k7 = athlon xp etc..k8 = amd64
[08:23] <Dangly> how do i check to see what version i currently have installed?
[08:23] <SeamusLP> Ah, pardon my ignorance
[08:25] <membreya> Dangly: for your kernel do a uname -a in a terminal
[08:25] <kkathman> superkaramba.com is down too
[08:25] <Dangly> kde says i have 2.6.10-5-amd64-generic loaded..so should i not go with linux-image-2.6.11-1 amd64-generic??
[08:25] <membreya> Dangly: to find out what version of ubuntu you're running do a cat /etc/lsb-release
[08:27] <Dangly> anyone??...kde says i have 2.6.10-5-amd64-generic loaded..so should i not go with linux-image-2.6.11-1 amd64-generic??
[08:29] <Smeven> can anyone assist with a wifi card based on the acx111 driver?
[08:29] <SeamusLP> Dangly:  If you install that kernel you'll have a choice at bootup
[08:29] <SeamusLP> Dangly:  If it fails, you'll be fine because you can choose your previous kernel
[08:29] <Dangly> ok
[08:30] <_phate_> is there away to reset rythmbox (AKA music player) to default?
[08:30] <SeamusLP> Dangly:  And not taking into consideration any strange bugs which may involve that kernel version and your hardware, that should be the kernel you're looking for
[08:30] <magaltavor> _phate_, yes there is
[08:31] <fazer> Hello!
[08:31] <fazer> HOw do I change my default browser? Firefox sucks.
[08:31] <_phate_> magaltavor: how?
[08:31] <magaltavor> _phate_, just a second ok
[08:31] <SeamusLP> fazer:  What browser do you want?
[08:32] <fazer> SeamusLP: Opera.
[08:32] <_phate_> magaltavor: k
[08:32] <Dangly> is there a ubuntu build for openoffice 2 beta for amd64?
[08:32] <membreya> Dangly: no
[08:33] <Dangly> is there a ubuntu build for openoffice 2 beta?
[08:33] <SeamusLP> fazer:  I think there's a selector somewhere in the system menu, hold on
[08:33] <fazer> SeamusLP: ah, thanks.
[08:33] <warpuck> finaly done
[08:33] <fazer> let me also see if I Can get it over here.
[08:33] <warpuck> rebooting
[08:33] <SeamusLP> fazer yep, preferred applications under preferences
[08:33] <fazer> SeamusLP: in firefox?
[08:33] <SeamusLP> fazer: No, under the system menu
[08:34] <bretzel> Dangly: I think it is in universe repository, I am using it :-)
[08:34] <fazer> SeamusLP: ah awesome, do you know what is a very lightweight window manager? openbox? I have that installed..
[08:34] <NotANick> XFCE4!!!!
[08:34] <SeamusLP> fazer:  What NotANick said.
[08:34] <bretzel> amd64: oops! sorry! didn't read completely all your question
[08:35] <fazer> SeamusLP: yeah, but I need those desktop icons ;)
[08:35] <NotANick> desktop icons?
[08:35] <NotANick> what are these desktop icons?
[08:35] <SeamusLP> fazer heh you can always run nautilus, thus defeating the purpose of switching to xfce
[08:35] <NotANick> just use key bindings instead
[08:35] <NotANick> much faster
[08:36] <fazer> SeamusLP: nautilus?
[08:36] <magaltavor> _phate_, /home/YOURHOMENAME/.gconf/apps/rhythmbox/ and the and then delete %gconf files in all the directories and sub directories reboot ur pc and then go on again to you rythmbox and it will ask you from the wizard like the forst time you open in it ,try it and i am gere please msg me when you come back
[08:36] <fazer> SeamusLP: I on a laptop with 366 MHz with 160 MB ram =/
[08:37] <SeamusLP> fazer Hmmm you know I hear fluxbox is pretty good for systems like that.  Also Openbox, blackbox, etc.
[08:37] <NotANick> fazer: in that case i would use xfm
[08:37] <NotANick> fazer: its pretty cut down
[08:38] <SeamusLP> fazer not really sure about lightweight browsers, though.  Firefox may actually do really well when you free up that ram.
[08:38] <fazer> SeamusLP: I am going to be replcing firefox with opera beta 3, it runs better in Windows too ;)
[08:39] <fazer> NotANick: xfm?
[08:39] <NotANick> fazer: like i said, its pretty cutdown, not too intuitive, lacking graphically
[08:39] <fazer> NotANick: well, i have openbox, its neat, how do I make it merge with gnome though?
[08:39] <SeamusLP> fazer: cool
[08:40] <go1dfish> elinks is a good lightweight browser
[08:40] <fazer> goldfish: har, yeah.
[08:40] <SeamusLP> hahahaha
[08:40] <go1dfish> no really
[08:40] <NotANick> stop trolling go1dfish
[08:40] <go1dfish> if you must have graphics try links2
[08:40] <fazer> oh
[08:41] <go1dfish> links2 -g
[08:41] <danko123456> hi
[08:41] <Raskall> I have written an article about mye home network that might be a good propaganda-thing for converting windows users: http://rolfas.net/?page_id=314
[08:41] <go1dfish> w3m does images to
[08:42] <fazer> goldfish: hmmm
[08:42] <fazer> goldfish: okay, apt-get installing it ;)
[08:42] <NotANick> NO
[08:42] <NotANick> its horrid
[08:42] <NotANick> and it broke google
[08:43] <danko123456> Raskall: nice page:)
[08:43] <Raskall> danko123456: :) thnx.
[08:43] <go1dfish> epiphany is supposed to be relatively light weight
[08:44] <danko123456> Raskall: I dont really feel like reading through it all(I jsut got ~ from work...)
[08:44] <NotANick> dillo is supposed to be pretty good
[08:44] <danko123456> Raskall: Tell me what is the domain if I want to make use of it for a while?
[08:44] <SeamusLP> fazer: you're going to hate links2.  stick with opera.
[08:45] <NotANick> but no java/javascript support
[08:45] <Raskall> danko123456: :) thats ok. I just thought the content might be interesting to read for users here.
[08:45] <go1dfish> you could also try minimo
[08:45] <go1dfish> http://www.mozilla.org/projects/minimo/
[08:45] <Raskall> danko123456: what do you mean?
[08:45] <_phate_> magaltavor: It worked for me, thanks!
[08:45] <stevan``> umm
[08:45] <stevan``> hello
[08:46] <stevan``> i want to ask
[08:46] <fazer> SeamusLP: haha, its not bad, i think I kinda like it =)
[08:46] <stevan``> is ubuntu still ship the cd 4 free ?
[08:46] <danko123456> Raskall: No, it is, I just said that cause I meant, like, if it says there what the domain is, I was lazy to read...I mean basically, if you were to host my web page there for a while, what is the domain/URL i could get?
[08:46] <SeamusLP> fazer: go to google.com and do a search :)
[08:46] <fazer> SeamusLP: ah okay, hold on
[08:46] <Raskall> danko123456: any free one you like.
[08:46] <_phate_> magaltavor: I wonder if just deleting the rythmbox directory and just control-alt-backspace would work as well
[08:46] <danko123456> Like...DaBa.org?
[08:46] <fazer> SeamusLP: haha yeah, i see wha tyou mean :P
[08:46] <fazer> SeamusLP: Would you know how to run gnome and openbox side by side?
[08:47] <Raskall> danko123456: that is any available one. But I could give you a subdomain under uke1.org.
[08:47] <SeamusLP> voodoo?
[08:47] <go1dfish> on dual monitors?
[08:47] <|QuaD-> fazer: what do you mean side by side?
[08:47] <Burgundavia> stevan``, yes
[08:47] <danko123456> yeah, free/available...
[08:47] <fazer> |QuaD-: I mean like...running openbox but it also has the gnome toolbar ...
[08:47] <danko123456> Raskall: how about daba.org?
[08:47] <danko123456> www.daba.org?
[08:47] <|QuaD-> fazer: try running gnome-panel
[08:47] <danko123456> www.daba.org
[08:48] <SeamusLP> fazer:  You don't have much ram or processor... I wouldn't recommend running gnome
[08:48] <|QuaD-> fazer: thats just a guess though
[08:48] <danko123456> aw...it exists.
[08:48] <Raskall> danko123456: I don't have any particular domain for hosting. since domains costs less than a couple of beers a year I help my users register the domains they like.
[08:48] <SeamusLP> fazer:  If you want something like gnome you can do xfce4
[08:48] <danko123456> :)
[08:48] <Smeven> i am trying to get the acx111 to work, and i am unsure what firmware it is trying to load for the car...
[08:48] <Smeven> d
[08:48] <NotANick> seriously for a windowmanger use xfce
[08:48] <Raskall> danko123456: hmm.. a bit cool, but what does daba mean?
[08:48] <go1dfish> ratpoison ;)
[08:48] <NotANick> its lightweight and fast
[08:48] <NotANick> and highly configurable
[08:48] <Smeven> any ideas where it is located
[08:48] <SeamusLP> fazer: you may also be able to run nautilus inside of xfce4 to get a desktop, but at about a 30 meg memory hit
[08:48] <go1dfish> ratpoison is more lightweight and faster than xfce
[08:48] <go1dfish> some might argue, not as pretty though
[08:49] <andiee> Burgundavia : i have register my self on shipit.ubuntu website after 1 week i still doesn't have any mail confirmation from ubuntu
[08:49] <danko123456> Raskall: oh, I see, so I get an IP address that is static, so I can register my IP type of deal?
[08:49] <andiee> why ?
[08:49] <Smeven> surely someone has to know how to get the acx111 card to work in ubuntu....
[08:49] <danko123456> Raskall: oh, I see, so I get an IP address that is static, so I can register my domain type of deal?
[08:49] <danko123456> that shows Im tired...
[08:49] <danko123456> :)
[08:49] <Raskall> danko123456: well. I only have one IP, but set up virtual apache web servers, ftp servers and mail domains for them.
[08:50] <danko123456> Raskall: yeah, I kinda get the big picture...
[08:50] <fazer> SeamusLP: hmmm yeah, I am aware of xfce4, but it pretty much uses the same memory requirements as gnome.
[08:50] <danko123456> Raskall: daba means really nothing, at least in my language...
[08:50] <fazer> I mean, i odn't get the same amont of ram free
[08:50] <|QuaD-> Raskall: are you a webhosting provider?
[08:50] <danko123456> Just a nickname that I gave myself recently.
[08:50] <Raskall> danko123456: :) I could get more ip's, but they cost me about $11 a month.
[08:50] <SeamusLP> fazer:  Not really, it's about half the memory requirement
[08:50] <Raskall> |QuaD-: no. just hosting things for friends and family.
[08:50] <danko123456> Yeah, I know, but it works, that is what is important...
[08:50] <Burgundavia> andiee, you will get a confirmation when they ship
[08:51] <|QuaD-> Raskall: is your server in a datacenter?
[08:51] <SeamusLP> fazer:  You're looking at cache
[08:51] <Raskall> |QuaD-: no.. I have it at home on a 1700/512 dsl line.
[08:51] <SeamusLP> fazer:  Linux uses the rest of your ram for cache
[08:51] <|QuaD-> Raskall: oh, hehe :)
[08:52] <fazer> SeamusLP: hmmm I see.
[08:52] <fazer> SeamusLP: Okay...so, Ubuntu uess X11?
[08:52] <andiee> Burgundavia: usually how long it will takes ?
[08:52] <danko123456> x.,org
[08:52] <danko123456> every unix uses x11
[08:52] <danko123456> its a protocol for GUI.
[08:52] <cens0red> arg that was weird. My panel went and hid on the other screen for a while. Then when I found it, it quickly darted back where it belonged.
[08:52] <SeamusLP> fazer:  Yeah, x.org
[08:52] <Burgundavia> andiee, it will happen when it happens. Expect a few weeks
[08:52] <danko123456> I may be wrong there:(
[08:52] <Raskall> |QuaD-: I am just doing it to learn stuff. But since I host (for no cost, though) for other people I have been thinking of getting the to chip in for a backup solution.
[08:52] <danko123456> something along those lines.
[08:53] <Agrajag> danko123456: you are, not every "unix" has a gui, and gnu/linux is not unix
[08:53] <fazer> SeamusLP: I need to use a Xfree86 driver for my video card instead, can I just over write it??
[08:53] <danko123456> haha
[08:53] <danko123456> I love your answer.
[08:53] <|QuaD-> Raskall: yeah, i am looking for a webhost :( my line isn't reliable enough
[08:53] <SeamusLP> fazer: are you sure that's what you need?
[08:53] <danko123456> I probably knew that.
[08:53] <danko123456> But I said it wrong, so thanks!
[08:53] <SeamusLP> fazer:  Whats wrong with xorg?
[08:53] <go1dfish> fazer: what kind of card?
[08:54] <FLeiXiuS> How do I remove a sub interface on my NIC
[08:54] <danko123456> Hey, Agrajag...I lost my web files:( its cause I upgraded to Ubuntu, without cleaning out sources.list...
[08:54] <drewcore> anybody know in which directory the xmms files are kept?
[08:54] <andiee> Burgundavia: i
[08:54] <andiee> Burgundavia: i c
[08:54] <Raskall> |QuaD-: my line has 100% uptime since I got it in september last year. Quite impressive, really. I have managed lines at my employers through the years and noone has been this stable.
[08:54] <danko123456> And then I lost X, somehow...
[08:54] <fazer> goldfish: neomagic, the one that thinkpad 600e has...
[08:54] <danko123456> And I backed up ~, but not the /var/www/
[08:55] <fazer> SeamusLP: From my research, the driver is HIGHLY crippled
[08:55] <go1dfish> have you tried it with xorg?
[08:55] <fazer> SeamusLP: mainly because when you scroll a web page, there's LOTS of lag.
[08:55] <danko123456> I am not sure why I told you that story...
[08:55] <Raskall> |QuaD-: but my previous isp had several hours of downtime every week. So I guess I made a good choice when I switched isp. :)
[08:55] <fazer> goldfish: what do you mean?
[08:55] <danko123456> but there is a lesson learned..
[08:55] <|QuaD-> Raskall: my uptime is fine, until my isp (my school) decides i have a windows virus (odd i don't run windows) and they shut off my line until i call and bicker with them
[08:55] <danko123456> haha
[08:55] <Raskall> |QuaD-: :(
[08:56] <go1dfish> my uni has never shut me down for that...
[08:56] <danko123456> they mean you are sucking up their bandwidth.
[08:56] <go1dfish> they did however shut me down to redirecting anyone trying to get to my access point to goatse though :-/
[08:56] <danko123456> All right, here goes a restart of X.
[08:56] <go1dfish> made my routing box beep whenever it happened to, it was great :)
[08:56] <|QuaD-> danko123456: nah, they pick out a new virus i have each time :).... i am considering opening vmware and installing a windows client and just open virus after virus
[08:56] <GNAM> best program to mount EXT3 partition on windows XP?
[08:56] <|QuaD-> to spread them across the network :)
[08:57] <|QuaD-> Raskall: yeah, i want a vds... but they cost too much
[08:57] <Agrajag> GNAM: you can't mount it, use a program called explore2fs to copy files over
[08:57] <GNAM> interesting
[08:57] <Raskall> I run mrtg on my router and have A LOT to go on before I need to get a better connection. :) Technology is a bit strange. It's not may years since I wanted to be online 24/7/365, but concluded it was a dream decades ahead. And now, only a few years later I run my own server park. :)
[08:57] <danko123456> I am playing around with window managers...
[08:57] <go1dfish> danko123456: what have you tried so far?
[08:58] <danko123456> not many..
[08:58] <danko123456> Like...
[08:58] <|QuaD-> Raskall: you have a server farm?
[08:58] <danko123456> Blackbox, fluxbox, gde, and kde.
[08:58] <Plexys> can i use RPMs with ubuntu?
[08:58] <fazer> danko123456: and?
[08:58] <Raskall> |QuaD-: logically, yes. have between 5 and 10 webservers and 10-15 mail domains.
[08:58] <go1dfish> danko123456: try ratpoison and windowmaker
[08:58] <Agrajag> gde?
[08:58] <danko123456> Now I restarted into afterstep
[08:58] <mchasard> hi i'm looking for a small livecd distro ....
[08:58] <fazer> Plexys: yes, ou have to convert it to a .deb
[08:58] <danko123456> I guess.
[08:58] <danko123456> :))
[08:59] <fazer> Plexys: use alien, type 'man alien'
[08:59] <drewcore> anyone have trouble getting the xmms-mp4 plugin to work?
[08:59] <danko123456> fazer: they are all right...
[08:59] <Raskall> Plexys: you can convert them to .debs with alien.
[08:59] <danko123456> I like blackbox for showing off.
[08:59] <danko123456> :)
[08:59] <Plexys> hmmm, that's what this tutorial i've found told me. but is it safe?
[08:59] <danko123456> Agrajag: what can you teach me about that?
[08:59] <Plexys> i don't wanna mess up my system you know hehe
[08:59] <|QuaD-> Raskall: are all those servers on that one server?
[08:59] <danko123456> Gnome desktop environment, default Ubuntu.
[08:59] <Agrajag> about what?
[08:59] <Agrajag> danko123456: that's gnome, not gde
[09:00] <danko123456> Cool, thanks.
[09:00] <danko123456> Whats gde?
[09:00] <|QuaD-> danko123456: gnome desktop environment
[09:00] <Raskall> |QuaD-: yup. but they do not have a lot of traffic. Have about 150-200 unique visitors in total each day.
[09:00] <Luke1> mchasard: have you tried searching www.distrowatch.org yet?
[09:00] <Agrajag> gde isn't anything
[09:00] <danko123456> Afterstep looks nice too.
[09:00] <danko123456> heh, awesome.
[09:01] <fazer> Plexys: yes I tried it once.
[09:01] <Plexys> thank you, fazer
[09:01] <danko123456> Well, why not gnome desktop environment?
[09:01] <Plexys> i will try it now
[09:01] <Agrajag> because gnome already has "environment" in it
[09:01] <Agrajag> gnome is already an acronym
[09:01] <danko123456> Oh...
[09:01] <Raskall> Ubuntu converted me from a kde-user to gnome. Gnome is so much more comfortable on the desktop.
[09:01] <danko123456> Raskall: I agree, some dont.
[09:02] <Agrajag> GNU network object model environment or soemthing
[09:02] <Raskall> prefer xfce on slow systems, though.
[09:02] <Thanatermesis> please, any person send me your xorg.conf file ?
[09:02] <danko123456> sweet.
[09:02] <danko123456> I like the little g.
[09:02] <danko123456> :)
[09:02] <danko123456> ok...
[09:02] <danko123456> Thanatermesis: ok...
[09:02] <Thanatermesis> thks
[09:02] <danko123456> I would, if I had one..
[09:02] <danko123456> jj
[09:02] <_phate_> rhythmbox doesn't seem to like having a massive amount of songs...
[09:02] <danko123456> Where do I get it, and where do UI sned?
[09:03] <_phate_> anyone know of anything better
[09:03] <danko123456> You use that?
[09:03] <Raskall> danko123456: just one annoying thing with gnome and that's nautilus and bluetooth. Nautilus just will not recognize bluetooth:/// as a location
[09:03] <danko123456> oh, yeah?
[09:03] <Thanatermesis> danko123456, for a conf example use
[09:03] <fazer> Plexys: np
[09:03] <danko123456> And youare up in Norway, and its got to be Bluetooth compliant...
[09:03] <fazer> Hmmm, can I play .pls files?
[09:03] <danko123456> FOr Harald.
[09:03] <danko123456> _phate_: I dont know, have you tried xmms?
[09:04] <Raskall> danko123456: but thats only on my computer. have gotten it to work in hoary on my wifes computer
[09:04] <go1dfish> _phate_: cplay
[09:04] <danko123456> Thanatermesis: i dont know where the file is...
[09:04] <danko123456> I dont know where to send it.
[09:04] <danko123456> tell me those two, and you will have the file.
[09:04] <Raskall> danko123456: I use bluez just fine, but nautilus wont do it for me. have to use obex-ftp for file transfer.
[09:05] <Thanatermesis> danko123456, /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:05] <danko123456> Raskall: I like bluetooth, though.
[09:05] <danko123456> thanks, and send where?
[09:05] <danko123456> I have a Btooth apple mouse.
[09:05] <danko123456> And an apple Btooth enabled iBook.
[09:05] <Raskall> danko123456: me too. gnome phone manager lets me send sms messages via my mobile from the laptop and use the phone as a modem.
[09:06] <danko123456> sweet.
[09:06] <Raskall> danko123456: SO comfortable typing on a 102-key keyboard instad of the numeric kbd on the phone.
[09:06] <danko123456> I did a project on Bluetooth a few weeks back for telecomm course.
[09:06] <danko123456> hehe, awesome.
[09:06] <danko123456> Thanatermesis: thanks, and send where?
[09:06] <fazer> Hmmm
[09:06] <Thanatermesis> yes danko123456, dcc ?
[09:07] <fazer> how do I alternate between channels in irssi?
[09:07] <danko123456> nm
[09:07] <Thanatermesis> thanks danko123456
[09:07] <danko123456> got it?
[09:07] <Thanatermesis> yes
[09:07] <danko123456> Yup...
[09:07] <danko123456> whats dcc stand for?
[09:07] <Raskall> danko123456: but Ubuntu almost got scrapped before I even tried it. My harddisk broke during the first installation attempt. But I gave it a shot on the new disk and thankfully it worked.
[09:08] <danko123456> wow broken hard disk.
[09:08] <danko123456> My mouse works in gnome.
[09:08] <danko123456> on the iBook.
[09:08] <danko123456> Thanatermesis: yes danko123456, dcc ?Thanatermesis: yes danko123456, dcc ?
[09:08] <danko123456> heh
[09:08] <danko123456> Thanatermesis: yes danko123456, dcc ?danko123456: whats dcc stand for?
[09:09] <Raskall> danko123456: how does ubuntu compare to max os x? I havent tried the latter, but a lot of linux geeks I have talked to doesn't see the need to run linux when they have osx.
[09:09] <danko123456> Hey, Ill send you an email maybe in the next few days(after exams,,,)
[09:09] <danko123456> Well....
[09:09] <Thanatermesis> yes danko123456, are good sent, thanks
[09:09] <danko123456> I do personally, its prettier.
[09:09] <magaltavor> _phate_,
[09:09] <danko123456> wow, youre welcome.
[09:10] <magaltavor> phelin, YR WELCOME
[09:10] <danko123456> Raskall: gnome is prettier than OSX..
[09:10] <danko123456> OSx I dont like the look.
[09:10] <danko123456> I like the user interface...
[09:10] <danko123456> I set up my linux accordingly.
[09:10] <danko123456> LIke, ctrl+q instead of alt+f4...
[09:10] <danko123456> And some other shortcuts with that scheme.
[09:10] <Raskall> danko123456: ok. I have decided that I will try an iBook when this intel-box is six feet under.
[09:10] <magaltavor> danko123456, i di not think gnome is pritier
[09:11] <danko123456> magaltavor: yeah, personal preference.
[09:11] <fazer> Anyone know how to switch between channels in Ubuntu?
[09:11] <danko123456> I really find myself at home in gnome.
[09:11] <fazer> er... irssi I mean.
[09:11] <Raskall> danko123456: so it's nice to know that ubuntu works fine on macs to.
[09:11] <magaltavor> danko123456, yeh cause is more rigid then aqua
[09:11] <magaltavor> sorry gnome
[09:12] <danko123456> Raskall: there are some things that wont work...
[09:12] <Raskall> danko123456: as in?
[09:12] <danko123456> If you can, get some older airport card...
[09:12] <danko123456> the extreme dont work in Linux.
[09:12] <Agrajag> fazer: alt+number
[09:12] <danko123456> magaltavor: whats rigid mean?
[09:13] <Raskall> danko123456: noted.
[09:13] <magaltavor> stronger
[09:13] <danko123456> Other stuff too...
[09:13] <danko123456> Like, Java PPC is lagging behind,...
[09:13] <danko123456> I cant get like, LimeWire to work.;..
[09:13] <danko123456> Nor Mplayer.
[09:13] <Raskall> danko123456: but my current laptop is sufficient for a few more months, so maybe that will be fixed when I actually switch.
[09:13] <danko123456> But, that may be me:)
[09:13] <magaltavor> danko123456, i am not saying that gnome is not good
[09:13] <danko123456> Hehe..
[09:13] <danko123456> No, just as I said,
[09:14] <Raskall> danko123456: well THAT is a bit more serious. I need mplayer.
[09:14] <danko123456> Personal preference.
[09:14] <danko123456> Maybe it can work...I am nto sure...
[09:14] <danko123456> You are talking to a guy that cant gfet .rm files to run in Mplayer.
[09:14] <danko123456> magaltavor: you see I find that aqua is not less rigid than gnome..
[09:14] <Raskall> but now my mini-geek (6 months old daughter) demands some milk. bbl
[09:15] <danko123456> I like it its cozy to me...
[09:15] <danko123456> gnome...
[09:15] <danko123456> :)
[09:15] <magaltavor> danko123456, i am just wondering what is your favorite window manager ?
[09:15] <danko123456> dont know, I like them most..
[09:16] <danko123456> I dont like windows XP>
[09:16] <danko123456> Totally ugly.
[09:16] <mrc3> hi all! how can i watch a DVD? i tried Totem, wxvlc, BMP, and no joy. i get different errors. i'm on ppc
[09:16] <danko123456> Windows classic...
[09:16] <danko123456> ok...
[09:16] <jsgotangco> have you tried xine or kaffeine
[09:16] <danko123456> then, I really like gnome...
[09:16] <danko123456> Aqua is like, transparent I dont like it...
[09:17] <go1dfish> as far as full fledged gui's go I like gnome the best
[09:17] <danko123456> Its either silver(blah for me)
[09:17] <KKXX> Gnome is the best
[09:17] <danko123456> I can agree so far.
[09:17] <go1dfish> I dont really use guis anymore though
[09:17] <go1dfish> ive been running ratpoison for about a year now
[09:17] <go1dfish> its great
[09:17] <danko123456> hehe
[09:17] <fazer> hi
[09:18] <Raskall> well, if this isn't a cosy desktop, I don't know what is: http://rolfas.net/Screenshot.png (warning, 1600x1200 file, a bit big)
[09:18] <danko123456> hi fazer
[09:18] <fazer> hm, nuts, brb.
[09:18] <danko123456> I keep a blank page...
[09:18] <danko123456> I mean, desktop..
[09:18] <MFKR> Guys, I have a big problem here.
[09:19] <danko123456> I like it pleasant for the eyes...
[09:19] <danko123456> MFKR: ahhhh
[09:19] <Raskall> danko123456: I need my daughter (who fell asleep again) easily available.
[09:19] <danko123456> I am a CS major in school.
[09:19] <danko123456> So I learned about GUIs..
[09:19] <MFKR> I'm trying to install ubuntu, but it does like all my other Linux distros I've tried to install: it gets stuck when booting the installation saying "initiliazing USB mass storage drivers".
[09:20] <MFKR> I don't have any USB device plugged or installed on the PC I'm trying to install it on though.
[09:20] <danko123456> more info.
[09:20] <MFKR> And even skipping the USB probing makes it freeze.
[09:20] <danko123456> Yeah, thats pertty cosy, Raskall
[09:20] <MFKR> My MOBO is a nForce 2 with USB 2.0.
[09:21] <danko123456> thats weird...
[09:21] <danko123456> why does it even ask for USB?
[09:21] <danko123456> mine never did
[09:21] <MFKR> No idea.
[09:21] <danko123456> hm...
[09:21] <mrc3> xine and everyone says: "libdvdread: Encrypted DVD support unavailable." what gives?
[09:22] <danko123456> Agrajag, or someone who actually knows what he is takling about?
[09:22] <MFKR> Everything is correctly plugged in on the mobo, every jumpers are where the should be.
[09:22] <danko123456> mrc3: well, xine...
[09:22] <MFKR> And I even tried installing it on a clean HDD on the same computer.
[09:22] <MFKR> And it gave the same problem.
[09:22] <danko123456> Do you know how to install programs from source code?
[09:22] <MFKR> No.
[09:22] <danko123456> mrc3: Do you know how to install programs from source code?
[09:22] <MFKR> o
[09:23] <MFKR> Nevermind about that no :P
[09:23] <danko123456> hm, that is strange, I dont really know what to do, but, ask the question again, someone will know...
[09:24] <membreya> you need to install CSS
[09:24] <danko123456> mrc3: membreya: you need to install CSS
[09:24] <danko123456> heh
[09:25] <membreya> sudo apt-get install libdvdcss2
[09:25] <danko123456> mrc3: you can also after you do that go get MPlayer...
[09:25] <fazer> hello
[09:25] <danko123456> But, that is not easy, to get everything going.
[09:25] <fazer> How do I reload my video driver?
[09:25] <danko123456> fazer: Hi again!
[09:25] <fazer> danko123456: ;)
[09:25] <MFKR> Well, is there anyone with extensive knowledge of Linux who I could PM and that it would not bother?
[09:26] <danko123456> um...
[09:26] <danko123456> :)
[09:26] <danko123456> lol
[09:26] <danko123456> k, later guys, my bed is calling me, SMSd me and all.
[09:26] <membreya> lol
[09:26] <danko123456> Night Guys!
[09:26] <fazer> good night
[09:26] <danko123456> thanks.
[09:26] <K-Rich> crimsun: can i get your repository info again ?
[09:26] <fazer> damn it, how do I re-load my video driver?
[09:27] <markuman> re-load? stop x and start xserver
[09:28] <|QuaD-> crimsun has a repository?
[09:28] <MFKR> Guys, I'm trying to install Ubuntu on my other PC, but the install gets stuck during boot at Initializing USB mass storage drivers every time. I don't have any USB device plugged in or installed, and my MOBO is a NForce 2 with USB 2.0 drivers. Anyone knows what's happening?
[09:28] <MFKR> I,m asking again since Danko couldn't help ;-;
[09:28] <fazer> markuman: what if i reboot, is it the same thing?
[09:29] <markuman> sure....one very radical methode is Strg+Alt+Backspace fazer
[09:29] <markuman> but why reload?
[09:30] <fazer> markuman: wait, so, rebooting is the same thing as that?
[09:30] <fazer> markuman: well, I replaced a .o file in the /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/ folder...
[09:30] <fazer> markuman: I rebooted, but...nothing much changed.
[09:30] <markuman> if you reboot, the system load everything new
[09:30] <fazer> markuman: so...since I have done that, no need to reload x, right?
[09:30] <mrc3> late thanks for the answers, danko!
[09:31] <mrc3> membreya, is there any special repo for libdvdcss2?
[09:31] <markuman> if you have reboot, you have restart xserver new too
[09:31] <borgista> Hello everyone.
[09:31] <membreya> mrc3: just go to www.ubuntuguide.org
[09:31] <markuman> mrc3? do you meen nerim server?
[09:32] <mrc3> i mean, i can't find it in universe with synaptic
[09:32] <borgista> A quick question as to .rar files.
[09:32] <fazer> markuman: hmm thanks.
[09:32] <MFKR> This is quite infuriating >.<
[09:32] <markuman> mrc3: ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html
[09:33] <MFKR> I left my computer open for 20 minutes, hoping the freeze on the initialization would go away, and it didn't.
[09:33] <borgista> I downloaded a film and it comes in many .rar files. In Warty I would type $ rar e filename.r00 and it would extract them all into the .avi file, but in Hoary it's different. Any ideas?
[09:33] <liable> MFKR: look through the boot parameers to see if there is a 'no usb' option
[09:34] <Plexys> hi, does anyone know what the typical directory is for ubuntu to install packages in?
[09:34] <liable> s/parameers/parameters
[09:34] <Plexys> i've been trying to install this skin for mplayer but i can't seem to figure out where to move it
 MFKR: look through the boot parameers to see if there is a 'no usb' option <- I tried this, and it didn't do any good. It still froze.
[09:35] <borgista> i think /usr/lib/mplayer Plexys
[09:35] <borgista> or maybe /usr/local/lib/mplayer
[09:35] <borgista> something liket hat.
[09:35] <borgista> that*
[09:35] <borgista> and there should be a skin folder.
[09:35] <borgista> I believe.
[09:37] <bur[n] er> borgista: u need the rar from multiverse
[09:37] <bur[n] er> and then it still doesn't work with file-roller for some reason :\
[09:37] <borgista> alright.
[09:37] <bur[n] er> but rar e blah.rar works
[09:38] <Agrajag> you shouldn't use efor extracting rar files, use x
[09:38] <bur[n] er>  *** 3.30-2 0
[09:38] <bur[n] er>         500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hoary/multiverse Packages
[09:38] <MFKR> I guess no one can help me with this one. Gah, this is stupid, why the heck would Live versions boot but not installs?
[09:38] <Agrajag> e ignores paths in the archive
[09:38] <borgista> thank you bur[n] er
[09:38] <membreya> MFKR: because its a preview?
[09:38] <bur[n] er> Agrajag: even in the non-free rar?
[09:38] <Agrajag> bur[n] er: rar is rar
[09:39] <bur[n] er> thanks for the tip :)
[09:39] <MFKR> membreya, it's still pretty stupid that Live CD's don't query for a USB mass storage device, yet full versions do.
[09:40] <MFKR> Knoppix and Ubuntu Live both boot, but Fedora and Ubuntu installation CD's won't because they query for an unexisting device.
[09:40] <|QuaD-> does anyone know the keystroke combination for openoffice for super and subscript?
[09:41] <Cred> Hello. I have a problem with DVB (Hauppauge Nova-T using firmware tda1004x). I want to watch DVB from Ubuntu Hoary but I have been unable to get this work (no /dev/video0 or /dev/vbi devices). I'll pay $10 (paypal) or 10e (money transfer) for that person who can help me to make things work :)
[09:41] <ups> bur[n] er: that bug was fixed very recently in file-roller, where it can't extract rar files even though unrar is installed
[09:41] <fazer> Hey, how do you traceroute something?
[09:41] <membreya> fazer: tracepath
[09:41] <fazer> membreya: ah thanks
[09:41] <ups> fazer: apps > system toole > network tools ?
[09:42] <ups> s/toole/tools
[09:42] <membreya> ups: that's lazy :P
[09:42] <bur[n] er> ups: it used to work in debian :\
[09:42] <ups> membreya: :)
[09:43] <membreya> i think k/ubuntu risks what the recent versions of windows have suffered from ..people running an OS but not knowing the core of it ...or even having a basic understanding
[09:43] <membreya> that's why I'm trying to learn as many commands as I can :)
[09:43] <ups> bur[n] er: yeah, it used to work in a older version, but stopped working in newer versions. but now it's fixed in cvs
[09:44] <ups> membreya: learning commands if fine, but those gui tools look cool too, especially if u dont know the command ;)
[09:44] <bur[n] er> ups: thanks for the heads up... hopefully a hoary backport is released soon after new file-roller :)
[09:44] <topyli> membreya: at least you can learn them :)
[09:44] <MFKR> Rargh, I'm going crazy over this.
[09:44] <infornography> Why is it that when I use XFCE instead of gnome, I get no sound?
[09:44] <membreya> lol topyli ;) ....yes some people lack retention ..ask the same thing multiple times :)
[09:44] <infornography> I can run esd from the command line to fix it, but there must be a better way
[09:45] <hejux> hello
[09:45] <hejux> anybody could help ?
[09:46] <MFKR> Is there a way to make Ubuntu's installer not probe ANYTHING?
[09:46] <membreya> damnit I wish bug 7183 would get fixed :| I wanna use renderaccel
[09:46] <mrc3> markuman, thanks for the pointer!! i can now play a dvd (sloooooow as frozen hell) with wxvlc. totem and xine fail to play it, though, and the other dvd i tried it with didn't work
[09:47] <membreya> mrc3: have you enabled DMA?
[09:47] <mrc3> "Can't seek to block 1470883", and can't seek to any other block. i get the fbi warning, though
[09:47] <mrc3> membreya, where DMA stands for...?
[09:47] <membreya> mrc3: do a sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/hdx (where hdx is your dvd drive)
[09:48] <membreya> then try playing your DVD again
[09:50] <liable> MFKR: I dont know how many kernel options there are on the cd, but have you tried a diff kernel
[09:50] <mrc3> same: "libdvdread: Can't seek to block 536148", and DMA is now on
[09:50] <mrc3> (did i mention i'm on ppc?) (if that matters...)
 MFKR: I dont know how many kernel options there are on the cd, but have you tried a diff kernel <- I tried on Fedora Core as well.
[09:52] <MFKR> And it locked up at the exact same place.
[09:52] <Raskall> As time goes I get more and more surprised that people actually pay for software. No matter what OS they run. I just discovered clamwin, the windows version of clamav, and it does a fabulous job without waste of system resources.
[09:52] <MFKR> Keeps querying for a USB storage device
[09:52] <beowu1f> any fellow south africans here?
[09:53] <MFKR> Even though I have none.
[09:53] <Burgundavia> beowu1f, there are a few
[09:53] <fazer> hello, how do I mount a USB drive?
[09:54] <fazer> I am using xfce4, so the icon doesn't appear anymore.
[09:54] <membreya> mrc3: do a sudo modprobe -r ide-cd and then do a sudo modprobe ide-scsi
[09:54] <Raskall> fazer: mount /dev/deviceid /media/mountpoint
[09:54] <fazer> Raskall: how do I know the deviceid?
[09:54] <Raskall> fazer: run dmesg to se if your usb drive is detected by the system.
[09:54] <Raskall> fazer: what kind of device is it? flashdisk? camera? harddrive?
[09:55] <fazer> Raskall: a USB mass storage (mp3 device)
[09:55] <Raskall> fazer "tail /var/log/messages" after plugging the device in shows you the device id, I think.
[09:55] <beowu1f> fazer: usually device is sda or sda1
[09:55] <beowu1f> tail -f
[09:55] <Raskall> fazer: but as beowu1f says, its usually sda1 (never seen it to be sda)
[09:56] <fazer> beowu1f said that? strange.
[09:56] <fazer> I didn't see it
[09:56] <fazer> okay, let me try it
[09:56] <Raskall> 09:55 < beowu1f> fazer: usually device is sda or sda1
[09:56] <beowu1f> whyz that strange?
[09:56] <membreya> mrc3: what's the GO ?
[09:56] <Raskall> beowulf: maybe theres a strange lag somewhere.
[09:57] <beowu1f> my ipod is sda.. for some reason when i mount
[09:57] <Raskall> beowulf: hmm.. strange.
[09:57] <mrc3> membreya, rmmod ide_cd: "ERROR: Module ide_cd is in use"
[09:57] <membreya> mrc3: .....umount your CD/DVD firstly...obviously.
[09:57] <Raskall> beowu1f: maybe ipod uses some other filesystem than FAT?
[09:58] <MFKR> Alright, I just realized something interesting. The installer seems to recognize something plugged in the USB port (port 2 actually), but there's nothing there.
[09:58] <Raskall> beowulf: scratch that. Shouldn't mean anything.
[09:58] <beowu1f> Raskall HFS actually
[09:58] <MFKR> I tried to re-boot the installer but with the USB probing turned off, but it still probed for USB.
[09:58] <fazer> Raskall: hmm, my USB disk has free space, but it says it sfull...
[09:58] <Raskall> fazer: is there som kind of write protection turned on in the device?
[09:59] <MFKR> What's the full command I'd need to input for it to noot probe for any USB port?
[09:59] <Raskall> fazer: and do you see the content already there?
[09:59] <mrc3> membreya, umounted and still "ide_cd is in use"
[09:59] <membreya> beowu1f: i was about to say it should be HFS if it's a mac iPod
[09:59] <fazer> Raskall: yes.
[09:59] <fazer> Raskall: I created an empty dir in /media called /media/test
[09:59] <fazer> Raskall: then I mounted /sda1 in /media/test
[09:59] <Raskall> fazer: then my bet is that the device is write protected.
[09:59] <fazer> cd'ed into /media/test, i saw everything there but with shorter file name.s
[09:59] <membreya> mrc3: edit your /etc/modules file, comment out ide-cd and put in ide-cd ...then reboot
[09:59] <beowu1f> membreya: indeed.. can format as vfs if you want to i spose... nice to keep it native though
[10:00] <Raskall> fazer: if not I am not sure how to help you more.
[10:00] <fazer> Raskall: really...in Windows it worked fine though...so, how can I un write protected.
[10:00] <membreya> PC iPods are VFAT ..AFAIK
[10:00] <beowu1f> any fellow south africans here... from port elizabeth or durban?
[10:00] <fazer> damn
[10:01] <Raskall> fazer: good point. hmm.. could you do a "df" command and paste the line with sda1 here+
[10:01] <Raskall> ?
[10:01] <MFKR> What's the full command I'd need to input for it to noot probe for any USB port? I tried to do it earlier with the command in the help index, but it still scanned them when booting the installer, and I need to installer to not to that th ing.
[10:01] <topyli> beowu1f: looking for company to watch the finnish hockey final? to me, that's the only reason to seek for local people today :)
[10:01] <mrc3> membreya, you mean, "and put in ide-scsi", right?
[10:01] <fazer> Raskall: right away
[10:02] <membreya> mrc3: ..thankyou .. I'm not running on much sleep ;)
[10:02] <fazer> Raskall: /dev/sda1             247M  247M     0 100% /media/test
[10:02] <fazer> Raskall: also note that the max capacity of this song is 256 MB
[10:02] <mrc3> membreya, thank you for the hints!
[10:02] <Raskall> fazer: a 256 MB card? 256 MB isn't 256 MB. my 128 MB sd card can never hold more than 122 megs.
[10:03] <mrc3> i hate rebooting. my other partitions is a linux from scratch, and i once i didn't reboot my laptop for 8 months
[10:03] <membreya> mrc3: we all hate rebooting :P
[10:03] <membreya> it's so windowsesque
[10:04] <Raskall> fazer: the hardware pusheres figures 1K as 1000 bytes and the operating systems normally sees 1K as 1024 butes.
[10:04] <fazer> Raskall: yeah...however I deleted some stuff to make sure..
[10:04] <membreya> Raskall: ....1024 bytes..as it SHOULD be.
[10:04] <mrc3> (gee i just looked at what i wrote... man, do i need to `modprobe grammar`!)
[10:04] <Raskall> membreya: yup.
[10:04] <mrc3> thanks! later!
[10:04] <membreya> friggin harddrive manufacturers.
[10:04] <Raskall> membreya: but the producers of hardware uses 1000 bytes to fool consumers to think they are buying more than they get.
[10:05] <liable> MFKR: is there an expert mode for the install?
[10:05] <fazer> Raskall: how do I unmount my USB drive?
[10:05] <membreya> exactly.
[10:05] <Raskall> fazer: umount /dev/sda1
[10:05] <Raskall> fazer: after you cd out of the mount point
[10:05] <fazer> Raskall: ah yeah
[10:05] <Raskall> cd=chdir
[10:06] <MFKR> liable, yes.
[10:06] <liable> MFKR: maybe try that, I think you can skip hardware detection with it
[10:07] <beowu1f> topyli: ummm say again... u from PE SA?
[10:08] <MFKR> It's during the booting of the installer though, and I just tried it, still froze.
[10:08] <MFKR> Even with debian-installer/probe/usb=flase parameters on.
[10:08] <MFKR> *false
[10:08] <MFKR> So I'm sort of lost and confused here.
[10:08] <MFKR> Why does it probe even if I ask it not to?
[10:08] <liable> MFKR: hmm, dunno
[10:08] <fazer> Raskall: thanks =)
[10:08] <Raskall> dammit.. my computer is SO hot. right now the temperature is 88 degrees centigrade (190.4F) inside.
[10:08] <topyli> beowu1f: i'm from finland and only joking (except about the importance of the final of course :)
[10:08] <MFKR> Oh, I just saw that it gives me the full name of the error.
[10:08] <Raskall> fazer: np.
[10:09] <membreya> Raskall: don't worry.. I've run my amd64 at 120c :P
[10:09] <beowu1f> topyli: hehe gotcha..
[10:09] <MFKR> usb 2-1: device descriptor read 64/error -101 or something like that.
[10:10] <Raskall> membreya: my wlan card don't want to play any more when it passes 85c. So I nearly don't use it any more. Thank heaven for ethernet-cables.
[10:10] <camcorder> i can't make my compiled kernel boot on hoary
[10:10] <liable> MFKR: sounds maybe a hardware prob
[10:10] <camcorder> well it really sucks
[10:10] <camcorder> mkinitrd doesn't write any file
[10:10] <camcorder> and even though I triple checked everything, i cna't make the damn kernel boot
[10:10] <membreya> Raskall: ... I've got an ultra cool tower from msi on my CPU now..noisy as hell at full strength but it works :)
[10:11] <MFKR> liable, well, it seems like it's trying to detect a USB storage device that sadly does not exist.
[10:11] <MFKR> So it gets an error.
[10:11] <Raskall> membreya: My computer is a laptop with Pentium 4M. It's smoking hot. :)
[10:11] <membreya> Raskall: powernow isn't kicking in ?
[10:12] <MFKR> Is it possible to use the echo command in the boot prompt?
[10:12] <MFKR> I've found a website with a similar problem and the guy says to use echo N > /sys/module/usbcore/parameters/old_scheme_first to clear a problem pertaining to a USB storage device.
[10:12] <Raskall> membreya: powernow works, but the fan just cant take the heat low enough. And now I run vmware with win xp, so disk i/o is high. As soon as I kill vmware with xp the temp drops to about 50c
[10:13] <membreya> hmmm aren't there addons for laptops to assist cooling Raskall ?
[10:13] <promethe> Has anybody got Gartoon theme for KDE?
[10:13] <promethe> (kde-looks.org is now dead)
[10:14] <Raskall> membreya: havent found any. but haven't looked too hard either. it didn't become a problem until i started using vmware a few days ago. vmware will be rarely booted, so it really isn't a big problem.
[10:14] <liable> MFKR: what happens when you plug something into that port
[10:14] <MFKR> Give me a sec,I gotta switch PC. I'll try echoing and plugging something in.
[10:14] <topyli> Raskall: 50 degrees is still hot. watch your valuables if you have the laptop on your lap! :)
[10:14] <membreya> Raskall: http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3708&item=6759517151&rd=1
[10:14] <MFKR> Getting on the other PC.
[10:15] <promethe> Has anybody got Gartoon theme for KDE?
[10:15] <Raskall> aghh.. something is hanging. firefox and nautilus won't launch.
[10:15] <topyli> Raskall: i think you have hardware trouble there :(
[10:16] <Raskall> topyli: mm.. with my wlan-card. will buy a new "external" one as soon as my paycheck arrives. But the naut/firef-think was related to vmware. virtualization on a 4200-disk isn't exactly recommended.
[10:17] <Raskall> :)
[10:17] <MyNameIsChris> Anyone know where I can download Grub splashscreens?
[10:17] <topyli> well, i don't think virtualization is recommended period :)
[10:18] <membreya> promethe: http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/17287695/ ?
[10:18] <promethe> membreya Yeah, but I'm seeking for KDE edition to make my desktop more unified
[10:20] <Raskall> topyli: rather that than having a partition for windows for booting every 2-3 months. Just need windows for family support and browser testing of web pages.
[10:20] <topyli> yeah
[10:21] <fazer> Raskall: do you know why ubuntu shortens the filenames?
[10:21] <fazer> Raskall: of files in the usb drive?
[10:21] <Raskall> fazer: try to add "-t vfat" when mounting. without it mounts it as fat16
[10:21] <fazer> Raskall: oh... strange.
[10:21] <|QuaD-> topyli: uses virtualizations, to test out other distros
[10:22] <Raskall> fazer: that is "mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /media/mountpoint"
[10:22] <topyli> fazer: you've mounted it as a dos drive and get MICROS~1 flienames
[10:22] <fazer> topyli: ooh, so Raskall's advice will be fine then?
[10:22] <topyli> i guess
[10:22] <fazer> Raskall: does gnome automatically do that?
[10:22] <beowu1f> sorry guys last time...any fellow south africans here?
[10:22] <topyli> fazer: it's filesystem incompatibility, not gnome related
[10:23] <fazer> topyli: strange, the last time gnome mounted it, it was fine..
[10:23] <promethe> I've just fall in love with AmaroK...
[10:23] <topyli> fazer: i guess it made a more intelligent guess about the filesystem that time :)
[10:23] <promethe> Great media player
[10:23] <fazer> topyli: hmm yeha, probably.  thanks
[10:23] <fazer> So, who here uses xmms?
[10:23] <|QuaD-> beowu1f: mark shuttleworth is :)
[10:23] <Shachaf> Does Ubuntu have a package that contains irb?
[10:24] <Shachaf> Or GTK2 for Ruby?
[10:24] <Bazzi> the ruby package should install irb
[10:24] <promethe> Shachaf you can install this via synaptic
[10:25] <Shachaf> promethe: I did.
[10:25] <Shachaf> promethe: I don't have irb.
[10:25] <promethe> Shachaf did you enabled multiuniverse?
[10:26] <promethe> BTW. Next ubuntu relase will be breezy what?
[10:26] <Shachaf> promethe: What do you mean?
[10:26] <beowu1f> |QuaD- yes he is indeed
[10:26] <membreya> badgar promethe
[10:26] <promethe> Shachaf did you enabled multiuniverse respositories
[10:26] <fazer> Hmm, would anyone know of a good IDE that edits PHP files but cna also save to FTP servers?
[10:27] <fazer> or basically a file editor with syntax highlighting that can save to FTP/SFTP?
[10:27] <beowu1f> is anyone here a wireless fundi..
[10:27] <fazer> Like Window's EditPlus
[10:28] <beowu1f> im trying to figure out how in the world im connected to the net right now.. know it sounds strange but bear with me..
[10:28] <FreezerX> good morning, ubuntu crashed again on my notebook while I was sleeping. The only keys that worked were ctrl+alt+del :-| The last message I saw on the screen was "NTFS-fs error (device hda1) nftfs-ucstonls(); Unicode name contains characters that cannot be converted to characters set cp437"  Any idea how to prevent ubuntu from crashing again?
[10:28] <promethe> I love ubuntu names :] 
[10:29] <promethe> Warty Warthog
[10:29] <Shachaf> promethe: How would I enable that?
[10:29] <promethe> Perky Penguin
[10:29] <promethe> Shachaf wait a while
[10:29] <promethe> Shachaf http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[10:29] <Shachaf> promethe: Thank you.
[10:30] <beowu1f> i went today to go buy a wireles-g adaptor card from office depo which i'm currently using but i'm not running dhcpcd wlan0 and yet my AP is still assigning me an IP
[10:30] <|QuaD-> promethe: don't forget  slutty seagul ditsy dog!
[10:30] <hua> i want to do that when monitor is into screen-save the lock display auto exec. how to do
[10:30] <promethe> |QuaD- what? :] 
[10:31] <|QuaD-> promethe: slutty seagull and ditsy dog, the releases after perky penguin
[10:31] <liable> FreezerX: you write to ntfs?
[10:31] <promethe> |QuaD- is it official names?
[10:31] <|QuaD-> promethe: i am kidding :)
[10:31] <|QuaD-> hehe
[10:31] <|QuaD-> on that note i am going to bed
[10:31] <|QuaD-> night
[10:32] <promethe> :] 
[10:32] <fazer> |QuaD-: do you know of a text editor that can write/save to FTP ?
[10:32] <|QuaD-> fazer: why would one want that?
[10:32] <markuman> :-D
[10:33] <markuman> use gedit for editor and ftp in xterm ;-)
[10:33] <|QuaD-> fazer: all that would be doing would be downloading it, modifying it, and uploading it, so you can do it manually
[10:33] <FreezerX> liable, no, I was sleeping :-)
[10:33] <Shachaf> promethe: OK, it worked.
[10:33] <Shachaf> promethe: Thank you again.
[10:33] <fazer> |QuaD-: well, a GUI would be nice =/
[10:33] <promethe> Shachaf have a nice day :)
[10:34] <promethe> Whoa, I've just recived info about new updates in official hoary core
[10:34] <fazer> |QuaD-: but you try downloading, editing and then remembering the ftp commands, that is very time consuming.
[10:34] <promethe> First update from relasing :] 
[10:34] <MFKR> Alright, I found what may very well be my problem.
[10:34] <goonie> just installed mplayer and I get this error when I start it: "New_Face failed. Maybe the font path is wrong. Please supply the text font file (~/.mplayer/subfont.ttf)"
[10:34] <|QuaD-> fazer: well, i try not to use gui, i use vim and console ftp
[10:34] <goonie> anyone know how to fix that?
[10:34] <|QuaD-> fazer: i remember the scripts, not time consuming
[10:34] <MFKR> Seems like Windows doesn't like uninstalling jump drives that get plugged into its USB ports.
[10:34] <|QuaD-> fazer: you can probably script something into a scriptable text editor
[10:35] <liable> MFKR: what does windows have to do with it
[10:35] <BlackLabel> is there a mythtv package i can apt-get?
[10:36] <topyli> there's a bug in nethack, those darn monsters kill me in every game
[10:36] <membreya> lol topyli :P
[10:36] <fazer> |QuaD-: nevermind, found elvis =/
[10:36] <liable> goonie: did you install mplayer-fonts, just a long shot
[10:36] <topyli> heh
[10:36] <promethe> BlackLabel http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[10:36] <promethe> And do sudo apt-get install
[10:36] <MFKR> liable, Windows Xp seems to create hardware errors when you simply yank out an USB device it seems.
[10:36] <promethe> What backports are doing my frirends?
[10:37] <goonie> liable~ err... no. there is a special package for the fonts? running synaptic now
[10:37] <MFKR> Once I tried plugging in my jumpdrive in the USB port, it gave me the same error and then booted in scsi emulation mode.
[10:37] <krrh> anyone running an Inspiron 1000?
[10:37] <MFKR> It still froze though.
[10:37] <BlackLabel> where can i find a howto on how to install my tuner card?
[10:37] <liable> MFKR: yep, but that shouldnt be applicable to ubuntu install cd, maybe the plug is faulty
[10:37] <MFKR> Could be.
[10:37] <MFKR> We'll see what happens now.
[10:37] <liable> MFKR: try unpluging the plug
[10:38] <MFKR> Too lazy to open the casing :P
[10:38] <liable> MFKR: if you know what I mean :)
[10:38] <promethe> For what I can use backports? huh?
[10:38] <liable> MFKR: well, dont winge when it doesnt work :)
[10:38] <MFKR> Eh, well, it's close to my bed time anyway.
[10:39] <MFKR> I'll try this one once more, then get ready for sleep.
[10:39] <Raskall> Hmm.. how long does it take to get the cd-s I ordered of ubuntu?
[10:41] <promethe> Raskall 4-6 weeks
[10:41] <promethe> I'm still waitng for my order
[10:41] <promethe> :] 
[10:41] <Raskall> promethe: ok.
[10:41] <promethe> Raskall 4-6 weeks from now
[10:41] <kev0r> how do i get proftpd to log?
[10:41] <Raskall> promethe: I ordered 50 of them a couple of weeks ago. I am going to bother the hell out of my windows-loving friends.
[10:41] <promethe> Raskall I'm going to do the same
[10:42] <MFKR> Hahahaha.
[10:42] <MFKR> It didn'
[10:42] <MFKR> It didn't work.
[10:42] <MFKR> But now I know why.
[10:42] <Raskall> promethe: I have wanted to do this a lot earlier, but haven't really felt that the distros I used was good enough for beginers. But ubuntu just works.
[10:42] <MFKR> Oh man, I'm such a stupid bastard.
[10:43] <liable> do share
[10:43] <MFKR> My memory card scandrive is plugged in USB, but inside the computer.
[10:43] <MFKR> Which is why I didn't think about it.
[10:43] <promethe> Raskall I found then ubuntu is much better then any other distro - it has got tools that you just need, no "pierdylions" of additional, conflictable, unusable soft... And its without next "pierdylions" wizards
[10:44] <liable> with a dead weazel even
[10:44] <MFKR> I deserved that slap, thanks.
[10:44] <MFKR> Alright, so when I do wake up, I'll be unplugging this thing. I don't need it anyway.
[10:44] <MFKR> For now, I'll just uninstall it and hope Windows doesn't re-install it thanks to pnp.
[10:44] <Raskall> promethe: I love that it comes with just one desktop choice and only on one cd. The other distros has had way to much overlapping software options.
[10:44] <membreya> kev0r: edit your /etc/syslog.conf and add ftp.*                   /var/log/proftpd.log
[10:45] <promethe> Raskall Yeah, one cd and one desktop is great - no conflicts
[10:46] <Raskall> Hmm.. ubuntu (as the first distro) detected my webcam correctly. But what can I use it for? *sigh* Is there a way to video-conference with my msn-friends, for instance?
[10:46] <drummer87> hi, what's the best way to run windows progs under linux (indesign CS, photoshop 7, tv viewing software)?
[10:46] <BlackLabel> i dont know of any open source IMs that do that Raskall
[10:47] <drummer87> indesign in particular
[10:47] <promethe> Raskall Yeah, manage them tu use linux :] 
[10:47] <Raskall> BlackLabel: me neither.
[10:47] <cens0red> arg. Get no support from ubuntuforums at all.
[10:47] <Raskall> promethe: but how can i videoconference with them in linux? GnomeMeeting?
[10:48] <liable> drummer87: look at wine
[10:48] <promethe> Raskall try Mercury http://www.mercury.to/
[10:48] <promethe> For windows, linux and macos
[10:48] <membreya> gaim-vv allows you to video conference
[10:48] <membreya> but good luck getting it
[10:48] <promethe> Raskall and compatibile with MSN
[10:48] <membreya> erm
[10:48] <membreya> configuring it even
[10:48] <membreya> ewwww
[10:49] <membreya> java based promethe
[10:49] <Raskall> promethe: hmm.. will try it.
[10:49] <promethe> membreya Is it bad?
[10:49] <Raskall> membreya: but still it is needed as a selling point for windows idio^H^H^H^Husers
[10:49] <membreya> i just don't like invoking any more processes than what I need ;)
[10:50] <goonie> mplayer hangs when I try to play a video file and I can't play any kind of media over the network. MP3's won't play but the play just fine of the local machine. Video won't play at all :(
[10:50] <Gav`> hey guys, can anyone tell me if Ubuntu has a couple of features? Namely, is it compiled for i686 or i386 (like standard Debian), and does it use NPTL?
[10:51] <Raskall> WHAT? 38 megs for an IM-client? this had better be good.
[10:51] <topyli> Gav`: 386
[10:51] <Raskall> I tried qnext, also java-based, but it only text-communicated with msn
[10:51] <Terry1> ubuntu 5.04 won't detect dvd drive during install, any ideas?
[10:52] <Gav`> topyli: thanks, I guess the performance increase isn't big enough to warrant the 686 compile?
[10:52] <liable> goonie: try changing the video driver, did you get the win32 codecs
[10:52] <Shavnir> Hi.  I'm Shavnir, I just installed Ubuntu on my PC, and I have problems.
[10:52] <Raskall> Shavnir: solving problems is what makes you learn. :) what kind of problems.
[10:53] <Shachaf> Shavnir: And those problems are?
[10:53] <Shavnir> Well, the ethernet ports on my motherboard don't seem to be sync'ing up with the uni's DHCP properly
[10:53] <Shavnir> And for whatever reason I can't seem to mount the other hard drives.
[10:53] <topyli> Gav`: dunno about performance, seems good enough as it is. they probably don't want to support builds for every sub-architecture
[10:53] <goonie> liable~ where can I get the win32 codecs? they don't show in synaptic
[10:53] <Raskall> Shavnir: do you get an ip at all?
[10:53] <Burgundavia> goonie, see www.ubuntu.com/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[10:53] <liable> goonie: you have marillat in your source list?
[10:53] <Shavnir> Raskall : Nope
[10:54] <nydust> where in apache2 do i enable php? I have done an apt-get install apache2 and all the php4 libs, but it dosent work
[10:54] <Shachaf> Shavnir: What FS do you have on your other drives?
[10:54] <Raskall> Shavnir: are you sure your nics are supported?
[10:54] <Burgundavia> Gav`, 386
[10:54] <Shavnir> Shachaf : FAT32
[10:54] <goonie> liable~ marillat? no never heard of it
[10:54] <Shachaf> Shavnir: And how are you trying to mount them?
[10:54] <Shavnir> Raskall : No idea, any suggestion where I can lookup what chipset my motherboard uses for its lan ports?
[10:54] <Burgundavia> goonie, see the above link
[10:54] <goonie> k thx
[10:54] <Burgundavia> goonie, it will walk you through getting everything
[10:54] <liable> goonie: w32codecs
[10:54] <Shavnir> Shachaf : using "mount hda0" or "mount hdb"
[10:54] <promethe> Can somebody explain me what are backports?
[10:55] <Gav`> topyli: fair point, my work machine is currently using Gentoo where people seem to complain if they don't eke out every available drop of speed out of a machine...any idea if hoary uses NPTL (which AFAIK does have some beneficial performance increases)?
[10:55] <Shavnir> err, hdb1 and hda2.
[10:55] <Burgundavia> promethe, when somebody takes a program that is not in hoary and makes it available for hoary users, generally a bad idea
[10:55] <topyli> promethe: new upstream versions, compiled on the current stable release
[10:55] <liable> promethe: new programs made to work for older os's
[10:55] <Shachaf> Shavnir: Do you have an entry in your fstab?
[10:55] <Raskall> Shavnir: nah.. My nics has always just worked. but there are some gui apps in the system-menu that lets you view your hardware. dmesg might also help a bit, but I don't know what you should grep for
[10:56] <Shavnir> Shachaf : They don't have an entry in my fstab
[10:56] <pepsi> pepsi asdf
[10:56] <Shavnir> But a fdisk -l shows them.
[10:56] <Shachaf> Shavnir: What directory are you trying to mount them on?
[10:56] <Shavnir> Wether or not that's helpful I don't know :p
[10:56] <fazer> Does anyone here use gnome-vfs?
[10:56] <Shavnir> Well, I run the command while in /dev
[10:56] <Shavnir> Odd thing is earlier today I was using the live CD and it seemed to mount the drives just fine.
[10:57] <emilie> the tmp folder
[10:57] <topyli> Gav`: this is the first time i heard about nptl (had to google), so i can't say if it's used :)
[10:57] <promethe> Is there any theme for KDE which is similar to Clearlooks?
[10:57] <Shachaf> Shavnir: Try ``mkdir /mnt/somedir''.
[10:57] <Shachaf> Shavnir: And then ``mount /dev/yourdevice /mnt/somedir''.
[10:57] <drummer87> how about this.. can i run windows os inside ubuntu (with windows already installed on a separate partition)?
[10:57] <Shavnir> Okay
[10:57] <emilie> I've lost a file in the tmp folder. Can anyone help?
[10:58] <Shavnir> Permission denied to make a directionry :\
[10:58] <Shachaf> Shavnir: Are you root?
[10:58] <Shachaf> Shavnir: Or sudoing?
[10:58] <fazer> Does anyone here use gnome-vfs?
[10:59] <topyli> fazer: everyone, i guess :)
[10:59] <Shavnir> Shachaf : Not root, and my recent sudo attempt gave me "unable to lookup wintermute by gethostbynakme()" (wintermute is my system's name)
[10:59] <Shavnir> Shachaf : Then "shavnir@wintermute:/etc$ postdrop: warning: unable to look up public/pickup: No such file or directory"
[10:59] <fazer> topyli: how do I utilize it?
[10:59] <Raskall> Mercury actually looks kinda cute. :)
[11:00] <topyli> fazer: i don't understand. gnome apps use it by nature, you don't have to worry about it
[11:00] <Shachaf> Shavnir: You have to be root/sudoing to mount drives.
[11:00] <fazer> topyli: oh...
[11:00] <Shachaf> Shavnir: Unless they're in the fstab.
[11:00] <Raskall> But of course noen of my friends with webcams are online. *sigh*
[11:00] <Shavnir> Shachaf : What's the default root password?
[11:01] <Shachaf> Shavnir: There is none.
[11:01] <fazer> topyli: like...really?
[11:01] <fazer> topyli: how do I read from a FTP server?
[11:01] <Shachaf> Shavnir: Give your own password to sudo.
[11:01] <fazer> k
[11:01] <fazer> kj
[11:01] <fazer> whoops
[11:01] <Rhymes> Shavnir: sudo passwd root and u get back your root account
[11:01] <topyli> fazer: go to places -> connect to server
[11:01] <gomlor> Hi, can I use my encrypted partition after a clean reinstall?
[11:01] <Shachaf> Rhymes: Why?
[11:01] <topyli> fazer: the places menu
[11:02] <emilie> I've wrote an essay and saved it, god knows why, in the /tmp folder. Today when I tried to open the document it was gone!! Why? And how do I retrieve it?
[11:02] <Shachaf> Rhymes: If you want a root shell, ``sudo su -''.
[11:02] <ups> Rhymes: please don't ercommend that
[11:02] <Gav`> topyli: thanks for looking :)
[11:02] <Shavnir> So what exactly should I be doing?
[11:02] <fazer> topyli: oh yeah, damn, i remember...hmmm i wonder where that can be in xxfce?
[11:02] <Shavnir> sudo mkdir /mnt/something
[11:02] <ups> Shavnir: use sudo
[11:02] <Shachaf> Shavnir: Yes.
[11:02] <ups> Shavnir: yes
[11:03] <ups> Shavnir: and then type your own password
[11:03] <Shavnir> ups : It dosen't shift into the input mode you normally get with passwords.
[11:03] <Rhymes> i always use sudo, but times ago i needed full root account so, i prefer keeping it enabled
[11:03] <topyli> fazer: if you use xfce, launch nautilus and find it in the "file" menu
[11:04] <Shavnir> errr
[11:04] <Shavnir> Okay, this is embarassing :\
[11:04] <ups> Shavnir: sorry didn't understand... ?
[11:04] <fazer> topyli: oh..
[11:04] <Shavnir> I think I ran sudo a while ago.  'cause it seems to have created the directories.
[11:04] <emilie>  I've wrote an essay and saved it, god knows why, in the /tmp folder. Today when I tried to open the document it was gone!! Why? And how do I retrieve it? Please help someone
[11:04] <Shavnir> I ran sudo a while back so i guess it didn't prompt me for my password.
[11:05] <Shachaf> emilie: I don't think you can.
[11:05] <ups> Shavnir: yes, it lasts for 15 mins perhaps, tho i'm not sure
[11:05] <emilie> Retrieve it?
[11:05] <Shachaf> ups: I think it's 5 minutes.
[11:05] <emilie> Shachaf:Why?
[11:05] <ups> Rhymes: you may use it, but don't recommend others to use it ;)
[11:05] <Shavnir> It lasts long enough to confuse me, lol.
[11:05] <Shachaf> emilie: Because it was deleted.
[11:05] <liable> emilie: ext2fs, google for it
[11:05] <Rhymes> ups: ok, understood, i'm sorry :)
[11:05] <Shachaf> emilie: MC (Midnight Commander) might be able to, though.
[11:06] <ups> Shavnir: nothing to be confused, if u get the password prompt, type it, else just carry on :)
[11:06] <Shachaf> emilie: I think it has some sort of ext2 undeleting features.
[11:06] <emilie> Shachaf: Is it in my ubuntu deffault?
[11:06] <ups> Rhymes: :-)
[11:06] <Shavnir> Shachaf: I did the mount /dev/hda5 /mnt/somedir
[11:07] <Shachaf> emilie: I don't know.
[11:07] <Shachaf> emilie: No.
[11:07] <enyc> moo de beep ;-)
[11:07] <Shachaf> Shavnir: Did it work?
[11:07] <enyc> Urrrrm, does anybody here know about 2.6.11-1 ubuntu package kernel breaking on some systems where the 2.6.10 package works [in hoary]  ?
[11:08] <Shachaf> emilie: ``sudo apt-get install mc''.
[11:08] <fazer> topyli: thanks =/ is there any other way of doing that?
[11:08] <Shavnir> Shachaf : Well, I didn't see anything pop up. :|  Also on the other drive I tried it on it says it needs to have the filesystem type specified
[11:08] <topyli> emilie: if your file was in /tmp and especially if cron has done its houseworking stuff, your essay is gone
[11:08] <liable> Shavnir: whats the file system?
[11:09] <topyli> fazer: not hat i know of
[11:09] <ups> Shavnir: you need to mention the filesystem, just append `-t type` to the command
[11:09] <Shachaf> Shavnir: Is the other drive also FAT32?
[11:09] <fazer> topyli: so, when i have done that, will it be availble even after a restart?
[11:09] <ups> Shavnir: replace type with the filesystem ofcourse
[11:09] <liable> emilie: ext2fs, google it and try it
[11:09] <Shavnir> Shachaf : I thought so.  Although on second look I think its NTFS :|
[11:09] <topyli> fazer: you can bookmark it
[11:09] <fazer> topyli: bookmark my ftp server?
[11:09] <emilie> Liable: Is it a package?
[11:10] <camcorder> fsck says me I should install better version of it, but there's no newer version of it on repos.
[11:10] <camcorder> it does not fix or check my ext3 partition
[11:10] <liable> emilie: yes, do as I said and you will see
[11:10] <topyli> fazer: i think you'll have to use the browser mode nautilus to see the bookmarks menu. anyway, i've bookmarked my (ssh) server on my work box and it works
[11:10] <fazer> topyli: oh....do you use xfce?
[11:10] <Shavnir> Err wait, the NTFS partition is already mounted
[11:11] <topyli> fazer: no, i use gnome. but i reckon nautilus is nautilus :)
[11:11] <promethe> is there any soft for gnome which will change wallpaper for every e.g. 5 mins?
[11:11] <fazer> topyli: hehe, indeed.
[11:11] <Shavnir> It says its mounted to /mnt/somedir
[11:11] <enyc> camc: please copy the message r.e. newer version , actual text [?] 
[11:11] <fazer> topyli: I am on a old laptop that is why things are a little laggy for me =(
[11:11] <ups> Shavnir: then start using it ;)
[11:12] <Shavnir> ups : I try and cd into the directory and I get permission denied
[11:12] <camcorder> draco@temple:/boot/grub$ sudo fsck -f /dev/hdb3
[11:12] <camcorder> fsck 1.35 (28-Feb-2004)
[11:12] <camcorder> e2fsck 1.35 (28-Feb-2004)
[11:12] <camcorder> fsck.ext3: Filesystem has unsupported feature(s) (/dev/hdb3)
[11:12] <topyli> fazer: well yeah, using nautilus sort of nullifies the advantages of xfce
[11:12] <Shavnir> ups : Or should I be trying to cd into /mnt/hda5 instead of /mnt/somedir?
[11:12] <enyc> camc: hrrrrrrrrrrrrrrm....... one moment ;-)
[11:13] <camcorder> e2fsck: Get a newer version of e2fsck!
[11:13] <ups> Shavnir: no, /mnt/somedir is right
[11:13] <fazer> topyli: bah =/
[11:13] <Shavnir> ups : I get permission denied :(
[11:13] <MFKR> Woot!
[11:13] <MFKR> It worked!
[11:13] <MFKR> Ok, I have one last question.
[11:13] <MFKR> Since it did work, I decided to partition using the installer.
[11:13] <liable> Shavnir: what does your fstab say about your ntfs partition
[11:14] <MFKR> Am I supposed to see something once I input how many GBs I want the new partition to be, or do I only see the blue screen?
[11:14] <Shavnir> liable : Dosen't mention it.
[11:14] <MFKR> Please, answer quickly.
[11:14] <Shavnir> liable : Infact my fstab only has entires for hda6, and dosen't mention hda2, hda5 or hdb1
[11:15] <liable> Shavnir: unmount it and then add user when you remount it
[11:15] <Shavnir> add user?  as a flag or something?
[11:15] <enyc> camc: show us the output of:-
[11:16] <ups> Shavnir: what does this show for somedir: ls -l /mnt
[11:16] <enyc> camc: sudo dumpe2fs -h [device]  | grep features:
[11:16] <Shavnir> ups : A second too late, just umounted it.
[11:16] <camcorder> Filesystem features:      has_journal resize_inode filetype sparse_super large_file
[11:16] <Shavnir> But last I checked /mnt contained two directories you folks had me create.
[11:17] <ups> Shavnir: you can check the permissions for somedir anyway
[11:17] <camcorder> enyc: it indeed even has fewer features than other partition i have which is checked fine
[11:17] <camcorder> ah
[11:17] <enyc> Hrrrm I don't recognize: "resize_inode" "large_file"
[11:17] <camcorder> it's resize_inode
[11:17] <Shavnir> ups : okay, hold on a sec
[11:17] <camcorder> well large_file is also in other partitions I got
[11:18] <camcorder> but not resieze_inode
[11:18] <Shavnir> permissions would be the string of characters at the beggining of a ls -l?
[11:18] <enyc> you can flip features on/off with tune2fs but you need to know what something means before just flipping it ;-)
[11:18] <camcorder> i made this partitions w/ mkfs.ext3 of redhat
[11:18] <Shavnir> drwxr-xr-x
[11:18] <camcorder> who would need resize_inode ;P
[11:18] <camcorder> indeed , i totally closed checking of hard disks
[11:18] <ups> Shavnir: that looks ok
[11:19] <camcorder> ii don't think i'll ever need it - i fully use ext3
[11:19] <Shavnir> ups : Okay, I just remounted the drive.  Didn't find the user flag the dude mentioned earlier in a quick perusal of the man file.
[11:19] <Shavnir> ups : When mounted the permissions change to dr-x------
[11:19] <jfk303> I need to put another os on my pc, is there any way I can resize my ubuntu partition without damaging it?
[11:20] <enyc> camc: right....
[11:20] <enyc> camc: resize_inode is soemthign dto do with reserving space to allow the reiszing of a filesystem later
[11:20] <ups> Shavnir: weird, works ok here
[11:20] <superted> do you have to have an account on the ubuntu bugzilla to comment on a bug?
[11:21] <_zeR> jfk303: backup the data, resize partition and put the data back. Partition Magic could be another Solution (danger?!)
[11:21] <ups> superted: yes
[11:21] <camcorder> enyc: but maybe it's better to post a bug report about it.
[11:21] <enyc> camc: apparently you can either get newer e2fsprogs ....
[11:21] <ups> Shavnir: try to change the permission now? sudo chmod +r /mnt/somedir
[11:21] <camcorder> enyc: fedora was fine w/ resize_inode and ubuntu should be as well
[11:21] <liable> Shavnir: mount -t ntfs -o user /dev/hdxx /mnt/blah
[11:21] <jfk303> _zeR, ok
[11:21] <enyc> camc: depends on the versions of e2fsprogs ;-)
[11:22] <camcorder> enyc: well what I mean, ubuntu should have the decent versions :P
[11:22] <enyc> camc: just because somehitng doesn't work with something else, doesn't mean its broken, just incompatible i that configuration
[11:22] <camcorder> enyc: if that partition is my boot one, i would not be able to boot ubuntu on it
[11:22] <jbmigel> greetings, anyone know where to find xf86vmode.h? its supposed to be some extension to X11 but i cant seem to find it
[11:23] <Shavnir> liable : Okay, I tried that, I'll see if it changes the ls -l in my /mnt
[11:23] <ironwolf> jbmigel: locate xf86vmode.h
[11:23] <Shavnir> "chmod: changing permissions of 'somedir': Read-only filesystem"
[11:23] <jbmigel> ironwolf, it is not on my computer, i assume the default install of hoary leaves it out. I meant i cant find a package for it in any repository
[11:24] <liable> Shavnir: can you cd into it
[11:24] <Shavnir> liable : Nope.  Permission denied.
[11:24] <itay>  I chose my language when I install kubuntu
[11:24] <itay> and I want to konsole to be in english, what can I do?
[11:24] <topyli> hrm. clanbomber keeps hanging. how could anybody release such a buggy version of such an essential unix utility? :)
[11:24] <enyc> camc: hrrm, 1.36 e2fsprosgs is not in debian-sarge yet either....
[11:25] <liable> Shavnir: did you unmount and then mount it again
[11:25] <enyc> camc: I read some things mentioning fedora extensionsto e2fsprogs and bugs in them...
[11:25] <ironwolf> jbmigel: no clue then.  What's it supposed to do?
[11:25] <Shavnir> liable : Yes
[11:25] <liable> Shavnir: with that command
[11:25] <Shavnir> liable : Just to dobule check I shoudl umount /mnt/somedir and not /dev/hda5 right?
[11:25] <liable> Shavnir: yes
[11:25] <camcorder> enyc: well possible, but for sure that's an issue
[11:25] <Shavnir> liable : Good.  Yes I followed your instructions.
[11:25] <promethe> How can I change firefox taskbar icon
[11:25] <Shavnir> Tried the chmod on somedir too.
[11:26] <crb> On Hoary, video playback is choppy when I use esd as the gstreamer sink.  Killing esd and using alsa works OK.  Anyone seen this/got any ideas on a fix?
[11:26] <jbmigel> ironwolf, I believe it gives me access to some functions that allow me to query the current screen capabilities. Ill try to get it from xorg and slide it in. thanks
[11:26] <Shavnir> Also in a slightly related manner, does Hoary come with nForce 4 drivers? :|
[11:26] <camcorder> crb: well alsa is fix :P
[11:26] <liable> Shavnir: hmmm what is in /etc/mtab?
[11:26] <itay> how can I set the konsole language to english and not what I chose in the installation?
[11:26] <camcorder> crb: why do you want to use esd anyways?
[11:26] <ironwolf> jbmigel: daniels would be the expert to ask, but he's probably out having fun for the weekend.
[11:27] <enyc> camc: looks like you can turn off the resize_inode flag with the right tools etc...
[11:27] <Shavnir> liable : You want the line about hda5?
[11:27] <jbmigel> ironwolf, thanks ill keep an eye open for him if i cant get it to work
[11:27] <liable> yes
[11:27] <crb> Because, by default, ubuntu does everything with esd
[11:27] <Shavnir> liable : /dev/hda5 /mnt/somedir ntfs rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev 0 0
[11:27] <camcorder> enyc: hmm well i won't :P but i'll try to put that on wiki
[11:28] <camcorder> enyc: or can I, i'm not sure if anyone is allowed toedit wiki
[11:28] <crb> I've changed to alsa, but I'd like to have heard an answer that will have worked out of the box
[11:28] <liable> Shavnir: mount -t ntfs -o user,umask=000 /dev/hdxx /mnt/blah
[11:28] <camcorder> esd is crap, really
[11:28] <Shavnir> okay, gimme a sec
[11:29] <crb> I'm surprised it's being used.  I hear it was supposed to be polypaudio, but that was buggier.
[11:29] <goonie> Anyone know why I can't play mp3's over my network? I'm browsing my shared windows directories just fine... just can't open the files
[11:29] <Shavnir> liable : Okay.  I'll do a ls -l in /mnt now
[11:29] <liable> goonie: got the video working?
[11:29] <Shavnir> :D
[11:29] <Shavnir> It works!
[11:29] <goonie> liable~ downloading the codecs now :D thx
[11:30] <camcorder> crb: gnome is still using esd unfortunately
[11:30] <itay> How can I set the konsole language to english?
[11:30] <Shavnir> liable : That worked.  Now is there a way I can make it do it on its own?
[11:30] <camcorder> crb: i hope they will drop it in 2.12 in favor of alsa, but who knows
[11:31] <liable> Shavnir: read 'man fstab' add pretty much those options, plus auto
[11:31] <crb> The #gstreamer people tell me the esd sink is the suck
[11:32] <ozamosi> What file do I edit if I want to make keyboard buttons perform mouse clicks?
[11:33] <camcorder> crb: they are right :P well just use alsa and you'll be fine. use dmix plugin to have poly audio
[11:33] <promethe> Is there any howto about making firefox themes?
[11:33] <camcorder> prmethe: i'm sure the are, just google
[11:34] <Shavnir> liable : So just to review what I should put in fstab
[11:34] <goonie> Anyone know why I can't play mp3's over my network? I'm browsing my shared windows directories just fine... just can't open the files
[11:34] <mitza> hey
[11:34] <Shavnir> liable : /dev/hda5   /mnt/somedir   ntfs  o user,umask=000
[11:34] <liable> Shavnir: heres mine for vfat /dev/hda5 /mnt/win vfat rw,nosuid,nodev,umask=000,iocharset=iso8859-1,codepage=850,quiet 0 0
[11:35] <mitza> where can i find a theme that makes the terminal borders invisible ;Gnome???
[11:35] <kev0r> when i put a dvd in my comp it doesn't auto-mount, is there a way to force it?
[11:35] <liable> Shavnir: change the appropriate entries of course
[11:35] <Shavnir> liable : So is the o user thing right?
[11:35] <Shavnir> liable : Ah, do a copy / paste and change vfat to ntfs and the drive names and i should be good?
[11:35] <liable> Shavnir: no, you dont need that in fstab, only when mounting manually
[11:36] <mitza> where can i find a theme that makes the terminal borders invisible ;Gnome???
[11:36] <liable> Shavnir: yes should work
[11:36] <Shavnir> liable : Oh, okay.  Rodger that.
[11:36] <Shavnir> Do I need the iocharset?
[11:36] <camcorder> mitza: art.gnome.org
[11:36] <camcorder> shavnir: if you're using only ascii no
[11:37] <Shavnir> camcorder : Don't think I had any files / folders named in Japanese on that drive.
[11:37] <liable> Shavnir: dont know actually, are you american or english or ??
[11:37] <camcorder> shavnir: well just try w/o it, if you have problems w/ filenames you can alwasy umount and  remount
[11:37] <Shavnir> liable : American.  I speak some Japanese, but I didn't have any Japanese stuff on the drive before formatting today.
[11:37] <kev0r> Only when i'm root i can double click an icon of a CDrom player and mount
[11:37] <kev0r> this isn't correct right?
[11:38] <kev0r> this should be do-able as a normal user too
[11:38] <kev0r> always been that way
[11:38] <camcorder> kev0r: well you need to change your fstab
[11:38] <Shavnir> liable : Okay, so I copied the line of yours into my fstab.  Any recomandations as to where I should copy the mount command in case I need to remember it later?
[11:38] <kev0r> in what?
[11:38] <camcorder> kev0r: add user to options tab of fstab, for cdrom
[11:38] <liable> Shavnir: whereever you can remember where it is :)
[11:38] <kev0r> camcorder: i didn't change it... howcome it's just b0rked at once
[11:39] <liable> Shavnir: just write it down
[11:39] <camcorder> kev0r: it's not b0rked for me , but dunno if there's such  a problem it might be due to that
[11:39] <Shavnir> liable : I'm horrible about organization.  TO THE DESKTOP IT GOES!
[11:39] <kev0r> and where exactly do i add myself to option tab of fstab?
[11:39] <camcorder> Shavnir: you have that line wrong though
[11:39] <camcorder> shavnir: ' o user,umask=000'
[11:40] <ompaul> with a set volume control on the screen
[11:40] <camcorder> shavnir: there should not be 'o' there
[11:40] <Shavnir> Oh okay
[11:40] <camcorder> kev0r: vi /etc/fstab
[11:40] <Shavnir> In my fstab do I need a user flag or not?
[11:40] <camcorder> kev0r: and check the line that has /media/cdrom
[11:40] <topyli> Shavnir: i'm so glad tomboy works these days. helps with my vast collection of random notes :)
[11:40] <liable> camcorder: for the commandline entry?
[11:40] <kev0r> i'm checking it
[11:40] <camcorder> liable: for command line entry it should be -o
[11:41] <kev0r> /dev/hdc        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0       0
[11:41] <kev0r> should i change noauto to auto? :P
[11:41] <Shavnir> topyli : I always found it ironic that my organization got worse after I got a palm pilot.  Started downloading all the stuff for it and ended up with files every which way.
[11:41] <camcorder> kev0r: well you have it correct that problem might be permissions on /media/cdrom0
[11:41] <Shavnir> liable : Also do I want auto or noauto on my fstab entry?
[11:41] <kev0r> isn't the problem that "noauto"
[11:41] <camcorder> kev0r: can you plz type ls -d /mnt/cdrom0
[11:41] <camcorder> kev0r: noauto is fine
[11:42] <liable> Shavnir: auto to mount at boot
[11:42] <Shavnir> Okay.
[11:42] <Shavnir> Oh crapsticks
[11:42] <kev0r> no such file/dir
[11:42] <Shavnir> I don't have permission to modify my fstab
[11:42] <topyli> Shavnir: yeah, handhelds are like windows boxen. i'm always trying out freeware stuff, each more useless than the other
[11:43] <Shavnir> What's the chmod to give me rw on a file?
[11:43] <kev0r> camcorder: no such file/dir
[11:43] <liable> Shavnir: actually you dont need that auto bit anyway
[11:43] <camcorder> kev0r: ah sory ls -d /media/cdrom0
[11:43] <ompaul> Shavnir, you do it you type sudo vi /etc/fstab
[11:43] <kev0r> tried that
[11:43] <kev0r> it gives me blue letters
[11:43] <liable> Shavnir: sudo gedit /etc/fstab
[11:43] <kev0r> /media/cdrom0
[11:44] <camcorder> kev0r: but what' are the permissions
[11:44] <Shavnir> ompaul : Dosen't help me much when I'm already pico'ing (although it put me in nano >_< ) the file. :(
[11:44] <kev0r> doesn't say
[11:44] <camcorder> ls -dl /media/cdrom0
[11:44] <kev0r> drwxr-xr-x   2 root root 4096 2005-03-28 10:20 cdrom0
[11:44] <kev0r> dr-xr-xr-x   3 root root 4096 2005-03-28 09:44 cdrom1
[11:44] <kev0r> lrwxrwxrwx   1 root root    6 2005-03-28 10:20 cdrom -> cdrom0
[11:45] <Shavnir> ompaul : I learned pico 'cause it was the only one that worked with the backspace when being telnetted / ssh'ed to from a windows box.
[11:45] <camcorder> kev0r: it seems alright, do you experience that for all cds?
[11:45] <MFKR> Alright, I'm finally on ubuntu :D
[11:45] <ompaul> Shavnir, well whatever you learnt you must use sudo to do the edit
[11:45] <kev0r> yes, but it was good before
[11:45] <liable> MFKR: thought you were going to bed :)
[11:45] <Rhymes> is there a changelog for ubuntu breezy?
[11:46] <MFKR> Decided against it :P
[11:46] <kev0r> camcorder: what chmod you got on mount and umount in /bin/??
[11:46] <Shavnir> Okay
[11:46] <camcorder> kev0r: can you try manually on terminal 'mount /dev/cdrom'
[11:46] <camcorder> or umount
[11:46] <MFKR> Alright, so now that I do have ubuntu installed -- how do I know if it detected my video card correctly?
[11:46] <kev0r> kev0r@ubuntu:/bin$ mount /dev/cdrom
[11:46] <kev0r> mount: must be superuser to use mount
[11:46] <Shavnir> ompaul : That takes foresight, which I greatly lack, lol.
[11:46] <kev0r> i think that we located the problem :)
[11:46] <hardychow> sudo mount
[11:46] <BlackLabel> sudo
[11:46] <kev0r> omg, i know
[11:46] <mitza> where can i find a theme that makes the terminal borders invisible ;Gnome???
[11:46] <kev0r> but that's not the issue :)
[11:47] <goonie> is anyone having problems with streaming media over their local network? MP3's won't play in XMMX unless I copy them to my local machine first
[11:47] <ompaul> Shavnir, well here have a bottle of afterthought and do it again :)
[11:47] <Shavnir> ompaul : I used a shot of copy and paste between terminal windows myself. :)
[11:47] <topyli> MFKR: if you have video, you're on the winning side already :)
[11:47] <kev0r> camcorder: the permissions on mount seem right to me
[11:47] <kev0r> kev0r@ubuntu:/bin$ ls -al |grep mount
[11:47] <kev0r> -rwxrwxr-x   1 root root  72536 2005-03-17 20:09 mount
[11:47] <MFKR> Haha, that's true. but anyway, I found it and it's there.
[11:48] <hardychow> Toterm-xine is better than xmms
[11:48] <MFKR> Now, why can't I change back to 1280x1024? I hate 1024x768.
[11:48] <liable> goonie: what error do you get
[11:48] <camcorder> kev0r: well it's fstab issue but dunno
[11:48] <goonie> liable~ no error really.. just doesn't do anything
[11:48] <kev0r> hmm.. i've been doing some chmodding in the bindir
[11:48] <camcorder> kev0r: it should let you mount as user since you got user on the /dev/cdrom line
[11:48] <camcorder> kev0r: well can you try mount /dev/hdc
[11:48] <topyli> MFKR: which video card do you have? X may have decided the free drivers won't yield a higher resolution
[11:48] <goonie> liable~ doesn't hang or anything, just doesn't play
[11:49] <MFKR> ATI Radeon 9200 SE.
[11:49] <kev0r> must b suprusr
[11:49] <kev0r> it spits at me,
[11:49] <mitza> where can i find a theme that makes the terminal borders invisible ;Gnome???
[11:49] <liable> goonie: does the equaliser move or nothing at all
[11:49] <jfk303> hile, does anyone know a good perl ide for linux (and if I can apt-get it?)
[11:49] <topyli> MFKR: yeah, you won't get full performance in the free world but need the ATI driver
[11:50] <Shavnir> Random question, if I'm adding an fstab entry for a fat32 drive, do I just put in "fat32" or is there another name for it?
[11:50] <goonie> liable~ no nothing happens but the correct filename is scrolling at the thop
[11:50] <MFKR> But doesn't ATI kind of let the Linux world down a bit? :P
[11:50] <camcorder> jfk303: vim
[11:50] <camcorder> shavnir: vfat
[11:51] <Shavnir> camcorder : Any special flags I should set?
[11:51] <ompaul> mitza, you can modify any theme you want, however what you are expressing there is a wish to never move a terminal never resize one so I would suggest you use actl+alt+f2 or f3 or one of thost
[11:51] <Shavnir> I've got rw,user,auto,nosuid,nodev
[11:51] <camcorder> shavnir: maybe, just check `man mount`
[11:51] <camcorder> shavnir: and search vfat with : /vfat
[11:51] <camcorder> or search "Mount options for vfat"
[11:51] <topyli> MFKR: yeah, and nvidia too. matrox has good supports, but gamers don't like their cards (great 2D for work machines though)
[11:51] <ompaul> mitza, that should be ctrl+alt+f2 or f3
[11:52] <ompaul> mitza, to get back here make the f key f7
[11:52] <Shavnir> Okay, I think its good.
[11:52] <Blue-Omega> how can i upgrade my Ubuntu 4.10 in to 5.04 without reinstall it?
[11:52] <mitza> haha :D
[11:52] <mitza> not that one
[11:52] <mitza> is a gnome theme
[11:52] <mitza> or something like that
[11:52] <topyli> Blue-Omega: change sources.list and upgrade away
[11:52] <Shavnir> So I've got my harddrives back.  Good.
[11:53] <Shavnir> Its like 5am so I'm gonna hit the hay
[11:53] <mitza> that makes terminal borders invisible;
[11:53] <MFKR> Hmm, sounds like ATI offers drivers for ATI Radeon 8500 and higher series, but it says something about XFree86 and X.org, what the heck is that?
[11:53] <ompaul> mitza, write one cos I don't know one that has that as a 'feature'
[11:53] <mitza> and you write on the background
[11:53] <Shavnir> But tomorrow I'm gonna have to dig up me some nForce4 drivers.
[11:53] <Blue-Omega> i don't need to uninstall anything?
[11:53] <MFKR> (it shows that I never used linux before, eh? :P)
[11:53] <Blue-Omega> or change settings?
[11:53] <liable> goonie: how are you accessing the mp3's
[11:53] <ompaul> mitza, so you want transparent
[11:54] <Shavnir> My lspci has 15 unknown devices, 13 of which are nVidia :p
[11:54] <mitza> yes
[11:54] <sparkling> hi all
[11:54] <mitza> thats it ompaul
[11:54] <camcorder> Shavnir: what kind of card is that ;P
[11:54] <sparkling> does exist an howto to upgrade the fglrx ati driver with the newest drivers of april?
[11:54] <Shavnir> camcorder:  That's my mobo chipset and card I think.
[11:54] <goonie> liable~ just browsing to my network comps using nautilus, right clicking and selecting play with xmms
[11:54] <kev0r> what file are the users in?
[11:54] <Unlimited-Ubuntu> hi all
[11:54] <kev0r> and the groups
[11:54] <camcorder> kev0r: /etc/passwd /etc/groups
[11:55] <kev0r> kthanks :D
[11:55] <Burgundavia> MFKR, x-free/xorg are X servers, which draw stuff on your screen
[11:55] <liable> goonie: whats the permissions for the files
[11:55] <camcorder> /etc/group even
[11:55] <mitza> ompaul, do u know ?
[11:55] <Burgundavia> MFKR, all you really need to know is that hoary uses xorg
[11:55] <topyli> Blue-Omega: if you have backports installed or you have built your own packages, some may conflict
[11:55] <MFKR> Oh, alright. So basically, the drivers'll work.
[11:55] <kev0r> camcorder: it's strange, i should be able to execute mount, since it has the same chmodes as other commands I use in the bindir
[11:55] <ompaul> mitza, it does exist in the terminal hit edit and current profile - as for borders I dont know but you could go full screen - to exit hit exit
[11:55] <camcorder> kev0r: well you conf 'seems' fine - but dunno
[11:55] <mz2> sparkling, just wait for a bit and they'll eventually be included in the ubuntu restricted module packages
[11:56] <Shavnir> I wonder if my mobo is too new to have drivers on the standard install :\
[11:56] <Burgundavia> MFKR, read this: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[11:56] <ompaul> s/hit/type/
[11:56] <sparkling> ok tnx
[11:56] <Burgundavia> MFKR, and this http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:56] <goonie> liable~ the files are -r-xr--r--
[11:56] <Burgundavia> MFKR, should get you up to spead
[11:56] <camcorder> Shavnir: well don't think so, go get nvidia driver, they 'support' linux
[11:57] <Shavnir> camcorder : I'll do it in the morning, prementioned 5am clause :)
[11:57] <Shavnir> camcorder : although it does leave the two non-nVidia drivers, which I am led to believe are my ethernet ports :\
[11:58] <Amaranth> Is http://sourceforge.net completely dead for anyone else here?
[11:58] <camcorder> Shavnir: wouldy ou please paste the lspci output as private message to me
[11:58] <Shavnir> cam : Sorry, just shut 'er down for the night :\
[11:58] <MFKR> Thanks, Burgundavia.
[11:58] <Burgundavia> Amaranth, seems dead for me
[11:58] <Burgundavia> MFKR, if you have any further questions, pm me
[11:58] <ssam> amaranth, works for me
[11:59] <Burgundavia> ssam, Amaranth possibly dns updating
[11:59] <ompaul> Amaranth, not visible here
[11:59] <FreezerX> Is there another html editor than nvu. nvu is very buggy. Maybe I should try to get Dreamweaver 4.x working on ubuntu.
[11:59] <Shavnir> benefits of mutiple computers...
[12:00] <Unipal> Hi all, what is a good filemanager to run under X, and is available via ubuntu deb package?. Right now I use MC.
[12:00] <Burgundavia> FreezerX, you want wysiwyg?
[12:00] <FreezerX> sure
[12:00] <Burgundavia> Unipal, nautilus?
[12:00] <camcorder> FreezerX: well you can try bluefish, it's a nice ide, but not WYSIWYG
[12:00] <Shachaf> Unipal: Nautilus/Konqueror.
[12:00] <Burgundavia> FreezerX, hmm, bluefish is nice
[12:00] <Burgundavia> FreezerX, a little buggy in a few places though
[12:01] <ompaul> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=http://sourceforge.net&probe=1 <-- could not find it
[12:01] <Unipal> I 'am looking for a filemanager with two panels. MC, totalcommander, etc
[12:01] <Shachaf> FreezerX: I think the Mozilla package includes a WYSIWYG HTML editor.
[12:01] <Burgundavia> Unipal, nautilus browse mode or konq
[12:01] <Burgundavia> Shachaf, that is nvu
[12:01] <FreezerX> Ok, thanks, I will it
[12:01] <liable> goonie: can you navigate to the samba directory with the xmms menu to play them
[12:01] <Shachaf> Unipal: Knqueror can do that, I think.
[12:01] <FreezerX> try it
[12:02] <Shachaf> Burgundavia: It's waht NVu is based on, anyway.
[12:02] <lewwy> hey guys how would i go about getting my logitech webcam working underneath ubuntu?
[12:02] <Unipal> Does nautilus heve two panels?
[12:02] <Burgundavia> Shachaf, oh, that old thing, forgot about it
[12:02] <Burgundavia> Unipal, change to browser mode
[12:02] <Burgundavia> lewwy, usb?
[12:02] <lewwy> yes Burgundavia
[12:02] <Burgundavia> lewwy, what does dmesg say?
[12:03] <Unipal> Okay, I'll try Nautilus in browsermode
[12:03] <Unipal> thanks
[12:03] <lewwy> Burgundavia, post in flood?
[12:03] <Burgundavia> lewwy, pm me
[12:03] <lewwy> k
[12:03] <lewwy> actually you PM me i dont know how
[12:03] <fazer> If I close the lid of my laptop, it goes to sleep? if it does, will it disconnect me from this chat?
[12:03] <kev0r> camcorder: it worx if i $ sudo chmod 7777 /bin/umount
[12:04] <Shachaf> kev0r: You don't want to do that.
[12:04] <camcorder> kev0r: wierd
[12:04] <Shachaf> kev0r: What's the problem, exactly?
[12:04] <kev0r> i know
[12:05] <fazer> hrmm
[12:05] <kev0r> but that makes me conclude the problem is in user permissions
[12:05] <Sixfoot5-NL> anyone knows how i can capture .rm streams in Ubuntu?
[12:05] <kev0r> Shachaf: i wasn't able to mount a cdrom as a normal user
[12:05] <malte> what might be wrong if i can't enable DMA on my dvd-reader?
[12:05] <kev0r> -rwsr-xr-x   1 root root  72536 2005-03-17 20:09 mount
[12:05] <Shachaf> kev0r: What does your fstab say?
[12:06] <bosewicht> mplayer will record streams
[12:06] <Shachaf> Sixfoot5-NL: ``apt-get install realplayer''.
[12:06] <kev0r> /dev/hdc        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0       0
[12:06] <kev0r> /dev/hdd        /media/cdrom1   udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0       0
[12:06] <Sixfoot5-NL> capture ?
[12:06] <fazer> How can I watch xvid/divx etc.. movies?
[12:06] <Shachaf> Sixfoot5-NL: Oh.
[12:06] <Shachaf> Sixfoot5-NL: Sorry.
[12:06] <Sixfoot5-NL> i can play it but cant save it to disk.
[12:06] <bosewicht> audacity will as well
[12:06] <Sixfoot5-NL> mplayer, hmmm
[12:06] <Sixfoot5-NL> had some problems installing that one
[12:07] <bosewicht> lol..me too
[12:07] <Shachaf> kev0r: What error does ``mount'' give?
[12:07] <kev0r> only superuser can use mount
[12:07] <Sixfoot5-NL> cant install mplayer with synaptic
[12:08] <fazer> How do you get mplayer?
[12:08] <bosewicht> nope, u can build it tho
[12:08] <fazer> bosewicht: how?
[12:08] <anahira> ola
[12:08] <Shachaf> kev0r: What mount command did you use?
[12:08] <Sixfoot5-NL> if i need to do make and make config and that kind a stuff ill better switch back to windoze :-)
[12:08] <anahira> hello
[12:08] <emilie> Shachaf> I installed MC to retrieve my lost essay. How do I do it? Do you know?
[12:09] <camcorder> fazer: add multiverse repo and yum install it
[12:09] <bosewicht> download the source packages...including the deps and build them
[12:09] <Shachaf> emilie: I don't remember.
[12:09] <kev0r> i first see ubuntu doesn't auto-mount
[12:09] <Shachaf> emilie: Let me see...
[12:09] <kev0r> $ mount /media/cdrom1
[12:09] <kev0r> mount: must be superuser to use mount
[12:09] <Sixfoot5-NL> build mplayer....hmmm
[12:09] <emilie> Thanx
[12:09] <Sixfoot5-NL> easy?
[12:09] <bosewicht> hmm, if u follow the instructions
[12:10] <bosewicht> just download mplayer and the deps that are giving the problems
[12:10] <Sixfoot5-NL> ill try it
[12:10] <Sixfoot5-NL> laterrrr
[12:10] <Shachaf> emilie: Are you using ext3?
[12:10] <bosewicht> you may be able to use apt to get the rest of the pkgs
[12:10] <liable> kev0r: when you browse to your cd drive in a file browser, can you see in it
[12:11] <kev0r> negative, only root message
[12:11] <kev0r> well it's just not mounted :)
[12:11] <emilie> shachaf> i think so... Or is it reiser...?
[12:11] <Shachaf> emilie: If you're using ext3, you're out of luck.
[12:11] <kev0r> Unable to mount the selected volume.
[12:11] <kev0r> mount: must be superuser to use mount
[12:11] <kev0r> same problem
[12:11] <Shachaf> emilie: It would work with ext2, though.
[12:11] <Shachaf> emilie: http://lists.samba.org/archive/linux/2003-January/006114.html
[12:12] <kev0r> but when i chmod 7777 mount/umount the problem is gone, why is that a bad idea Shachaf?
[12:12] <Shachaf> emilie: s/would/might/
[12:12] <Shachaf> kev0r: That's because you're enabling setuid.
[12:12] <Shachaf> kev0r: Which means that mount is always run as toot.
[12:12] <camcorder> kev0r: well i can edit it w/ vi, and make it a bash script, and run it as root ;)
[12:13] <kev0r> that would require me to fill in a pass every time
[12:13] <Shachaf> kev0r: Because then anybody could delete/replace the file.
[12:13] <kev0r> Shachaf: that doesn't sound good :)
[12:13] <camcorder> kev0r: it's a single user box, though it's not that big problem
[12:13] <kev0r> it's not
[12:14] <camcorder> kev0r: unless you don't let shell axx
[12:14] <goonie> liable~ ok... if I just mount my windows shares to /mnt/somename i can play the mp3's but not if I browse with the nautilus network browser... should have figured that one out myself :$
[12:14] <kev0r> i've shell x-s on my box for a few folks
[12:14] <bosewicht> until someone gets to ur box, wether locally or remotely
[12:14] <Shachaf> kev0r: What were your fstab entries again?
[12:14] <Shachaf> kev0r: And the command you used?
[12:14] <kev0r> //dev/hdc        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0       0
[12:14] <kev0r> /dev/hdd        /media/cdrom1   udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0       0
[12:14] <emilie> Shachaf> Is there any way to see wether I have ext3 or reiser?
[12:14] <kev0r> mount /media/cdrom1
[12:15] <anahira> mamonaaaa
[12:15] <Shachaf> emilie: Look in /etc/fstab.
[12:15] <camcorder> emiliie: use fdisk
[12:15] <Shachaf> emilie: Or type ``mount''.
[12:15] <kev0r> hmm when i just do "mount" i don't get an error though
[12:16] <camcorder> lev0r: surer you wont, coz mount is working
[12:16] <fazer> Does anyone know if I close the lid fo my laptop, what will happen to Ubuntu?
[12:16] <Shachaf> kev0r: I have the same first line as you on my system.
[12:16] <fazer> Will the processes still be running?
[12:16] <camcorder> kev0r: what I really wonder if mount is really reading fstab
[12:16] <Shachaf> kev0r: Let me see if I can mount a CD...
[12:16] <kev0r> Shachaf: yes, plz do try /mount/cdrom1
[12:17] <kev0r> mount /media/cdrom1
[12:17] <kev0r> lol
[12:17] <camcorder> kev0r: can you use that command "strace mount &> log && grep fstab log && rm log"
[12:17] <Shachaf> kev0r: cdrom0, actually.
[12:17] <Shachaf> kev0r: Is cdrom0 working for you?
[12:17] <sparkling> i'm trying to see a dvd-rom, i've enabled the dma but the image is not perfect... i've also downloaded the libdvdcss2 from marillat, do i need other to make the video perfect? i use xine
[12:17] <kev0r> both aren't
[12:17] <kev0r> 1/0
[12:17] <emilie> Shachaf> ``mount'' tells me nothing about ext3
[12:18] <emilie> Shachaf> says RW in paranthesis
[12:18] <camcorder> kev0r: strace mount /media/cdrom0 &> log && grep fstab log && rm log
[12:18] <camcorder> emilie: coz it's not mounted
[12:18] <liable> kev0r: sudo umount /dev/cdrom0 then as user mount/dev/cdrom0
[12:18] <Shachaf> emilie: You should get a line similiar to: ``/dev/hda3 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro)''.
[12:18] <camcorder> emilie: just type fdisk /dev/hda (or hatver) and type p
[12:18] <kev0r> $ strace mount /media/cdrom0 &> log && grep fstab log && rm log
[12:18] <kev0r> bash: log: Permission denied
[12:19] <camcorder> kev0r: do that on your home dir
[12:19] <Shachaf> emilie: No, fdisk -l /dev/hda, if you're using fdisk.
[12:19] <camcorder> kev0r: you're in /sbin :)
[12:19] <kev0r> $ sudo umount /dev/cdrom0
[12:19] <kev0r> umount: /dev/cdrom0: not found
[12:19] <kev0r> $ mount /dev/cdrom1
[12:19] <kev0r> mount: must be superuser to use mount
[12:19] <itay> hi!
[12:19] <kev0r> $ strace mount /media/cdrom0 &> log && grep fstab log && rm log
[12:19] <kev0r> open("/etc/fstab", O_RDONLY|O_LARGEFILE) = 3
[12:19] <kev0r> read(3, "# /etc/fstab: static file system"..., 4096) = 534
[12:19] <itay> how do I change the konsole language to english?
[12:20] <itay> I don't want it to be the language I chose in the installation
[12:20] <Shachaf> kev0r: Does ``mount /media/cdrom0'' work?
[12:20] <itay> what can I do?
[12:20] <kev0r> itay: console language is always english
[12:20] <camcorder> italy: just put LANG=C
[12:20] <kev0r> $ mount /media/cdrom0
[12:20] <kev0r> mount: must be superuser to use mount
[12:20] <itay> I mean apt-get and other tools
[12:20] <bosewicht> apt-get moo
[12:20] <bosewicht> :)
[12:20] <itay> I want them to be in english
[12:20] <camcorder> itay: and LANGUAGE=C then expot LANG LANGUAGE into you .bashrc
[12:20] <camcorder> C = english
[12:21] <Shachaf> bosewicht: My APT has had Super-Cow powers for a while.
[12:21] <liable> kev0r: sudo umount /dev/cdrom1 then as user mount/dev/cdrom1
[12:21] <Sixfoot5-NL> building mplayer , i have gcc 2.96 , what a mess....
[12:21] <kev0r> liable: tried that
[12:21] <kev0r> the drive is unmounted at the moment
[12:21] <kev0r> cannot mount
[12:21] <liable> with the 1
[12:21] <Shachaf> camcorder: You could've simply used ``strace mount /media/cdrom0 2>&1 | grep fstab''.
[12:21] <emilie> Shachaf> fdisk -l /dev/hda says cannot open /dev/hda
[12:22] <bosewicht> hda1  or 2
[12:22] <Sixfoot5-NL> i just wonder, why is this linux so full of none working programms instead of a few programms which will work fine?
[12:22] <datsunami> btw.. wats sudo for?
[12:22] <Shachaf> emilie: What's the first line of the output of ``mount''?
[12:22] <camcorder> schachaf: yeah that's better anyways
[12:22] <bosewicht> uu have to use the partition number
[12:22] <liable> kev0r: ls /dev/cdrom1
[12:22] <itay> thanks!
[12:22] <emilie> Schachaf> /dev/hda1 on / type unknown (rw,errors=remount-ro)
[12:22] <kev0r> kev0r@ubuntu:~$ ls /dev/cdrom1
[12:22] <kev0r> /dev/cdrom1
[12:23] <Shachaf> emilie: Type unknown?
[12:23] <Shachaf> emilie: That's strange?
[12:23] <camcorder> emilie: just check it w/ fstab
[12:23] <camcorder> and see which id it has
[12:23] <liable> kev0r: sudo ls /dev/cdrom1
[12:23] <camcorder> fdisk anwaysy :P
[12:23] <Shachaf> emilie: I'd expect it to know the type of a mounted filesystem, particularly /.
[12:23] <goonie> arrrghhh... can't get mplayer to work... VLC doesn't work either.. w32codecs are installed but mplayer just hangs... have to kill the pid to close it
[12:23] <kev0r> same output
[12:23] <kev0r> liable:
[12:24] <bosewicht> run mplayer from the terminal and read the output
[12:24] <liable> kev0r: there is a disk in there?
[12:24] <emilie> camcorder> I don't understand
[12:24] <kev0r> lol efc
[12:24] <camcorder> goonie: that's because it's trying to use alsa as sound device
[12:24] <kev0r> if i do sudo mount /media/cdrom1
[12:24] <kev0r> it's mounted
[12:25] <Shachaf> kev0r: And you can't umount it?
[12:25] <camcorder> emilie: wht's the id line on fdisk -l /dev/hdaX
[12:25] <Shachaf> kev0r: Is that the problem?
[12:25] <kev0r> i can umount it
[12:25] <kev0r> but only as root
[12:25] <kev0r> that's the problem
[12:25] <Shachaf> kev0r: If it is, then simply change user to users in /etc/fstab.
[12:25] <kev0r> it's users
[12:25] <Shachaf> kev0r: Sorry, I didn't understand you.
[12:25] <liable> kev0r: what does 'ls /dev/cdrom1' give then
[12:25] <Shachaf> kev0r: It is?
[12:25] <camcorder> it should be user
[12:25] <kev0r> it is now ^^
[12:25] <emilie> camcorder> no line
[12:25] <camcorder> and it's user :P
[12:26] <Shachaf> camcorder: It should be user.
[12:26] <emilie> camcorder> no ID
[12:26] <Shachaf> camcorder: s/user/users/
[12:26] <kev0r> kev0r@ubuntu:~$ sudo umount /media/cdrom1
[12:26] <kev0r> kev0r@ubuntu:~$ mount /media/cdrom1
[12:26] <kev0r> mount: must be superuser to use mount
[12:26] <kev0r> didn't work :(
[12:26] <camcorder> Shachaf: for what?  user (allow a user  to  mount), from man fstab
[12:27] <Shachaf> camcorder: ``man mount''.
[12:27] <bosewicht> try cat /etc/group | grep cdrom
[12:27] <Shachaf> camcorder: And look for ``users''.
[12:27] <camcorder>        Thus, given a line
[12:27] <camcorder>               /dev/cdrom  /cd  iso9660  ro,user,noauto,unhide
[12:27] <liable> kev0r: ls -l /bin/mount
[12:27] <kev0r> i c
[12:27] <pek> anyone know why openoffice spreadsheet turn the months I type with captial letter to lower-case? I type April and it autocorrects to april
[12:28] <emilie> camcorder> says unable to open /dev/hda
[12:28] <kev0r> $ ls -l /bin/mount
[12:28] <kev0r> -rwxr-xr-x  1 root root 72536 2005-03-17 20:09 /bin/mount
[12:28] <camcorder> emilie: do tah as root
[12:28] <goonie> camcorder~ I changed the audio output to esd but now I get: "MPlayer interrupted by signal 11 in module: decode_audio"
[12:28] <bosewicht> hda1!!!!  use the partition number
[12:28] <Shachaf> camcorder: ``Only the user that mounted a  filesystem  can unmount it again.  If any user should be able to unmount, then use users instead of user in the fstab line.''.
[12:28] <camcorder> goonie: you better use alsa for everything
[12:28] <Shachaf> camcorder: From ``man mount''.
[12:28] <liable> kev0r: thats fucked up then
[12:28] <kev0r> Shachaf: what does a ls -l /bin/mount give you?
[12:29] <camcorder> Shachaf: yeah i read but that's not a good behaviour, i don't want anyone to umount my own mounted cdrom
[12:29] <Shachaf> kev0r: ``-rwsr-xr-x  1 root root 72536 2005-03-17 21:09 /bin/mount''.
[12:29] <emilie> camcorder> ID: 83
[12:29] <kev0r> wtf!?
[12:29] <kev0r> what's that s on the 4th place?
[12:29] <goonie> how do I change everything to alsa.. xmms didn't work with alsa after the hoary upgrade.. can I change some system wide setting to alsa?
[12:29] <kev0r> there's an x with me
[12:29] <camcorder> emilie: that's ext3 i think
[12:29] <Shachaf> camcorder: kev0r's problem is that he/she can't umount the cdrom that root mounted.
[12:29] <kev0r> there is the problem!!!
[12:29] <bosewicht> camcorder try this and see if ur name comes up   cat /etc/group | grep cdrom   you should me a member of that group
[12:30] <kev0r> i found it Shachaf , what chmod nr is ur mount?
[12:30] <kev0r> to make -rwsr-xr-x
[12:30] <liable> goonie: its in the xmms menu to chande the driver
[12:30] <emilie> camcorder> Then it is impossible to retrive lost file...?
[12:30] <Shachaf> kev0r: How would I find out?
[12:30] <Shachaf> kev0r: The ``s'' means setuid, I think.
[12:30] <kev0r> ah i found it
[12:30] <kev0r> it's chmodded 4755
[12:30] <kev0r> there is the whole problem :)
[12:31] <Shachaf> kev0r: That makes sense.
[12:31] <Shachaf> kev0r: Is yours?
[12:31] <kev0r> idd :)
[12:31] <goonie> liable~ yes xmms works with esd but mplayer hangs with alsa and crashes completely with esd... what can I do?
[12:31] <kev0r> that's why chmod 7777 worked :P
[12:31] <camcorder> emilie: well probably unless you use some tricks to find inodes etc. etc.
[12:31] <kev0r> but Shachaf we all overlooked the little "s"
[12:31] <kev0r> crazy thing
[12:31] <ompaul> Sourceforge.net is back
[12:31] <camcorder> emilie: which is not easy, try som third party applications if you need that
[12:31] <Shachaf> kev0r: ``mount'' should be setuid -- otherwise it can't mount as a user.
[12:31] <kev0r> yes so we all know now ^^
[12:32] <Shachaf> kev0r: No thank you.
[12:32] <kev0r> cola? :P
[12:32] <emilie> camcorder> such as?
[12:32] <kev0r> is there an LS command to just give the CHMOD nr in stead of the -rwxr-xr-x
[12:32] <kev0r> ?
[12:32] <emilie> camcorder> I think it's a bit out of my league...
[12:32] <Shachaf> emilie: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2005/01/msg00885.html
[12:33] <queuetue> I have a brand new MSI K8N Neo4 Platinum/SLI nForce 4 motherboard.  I've tried 6 different IDE disks with it, and 3 different cables, and every one of them reports errors (but not in other machines.)  I've tested this with both multiple Linux installs and a Windows XP install.    Do I need to send this motherboard back, or could I just be a dolt and need to change some bios setting?
[12:35] <ompaul> queuetue, does the bios give out?
[12:35] <queuetue> ompaul, "give out"?
[12:35] <emilie> Shachaf> thanx for supporting... I give up... It's to complicated for me
[12:35] <ompaul> queuetue, complain as it boots during post?
[12:35] <sparkling> how can i make "rpm --replacefiles -ivh --force packagename" with dpkg?
[12:35] <Shachaf> emilie: Did you write the file in plaintext?
[12:35] <emilie> camcorder> thanx for your support...
[12:36] <queuetue> ompaul, Not that I've noticed.  I first see errors (under ubuntu) after "Starting Ubuntu"
[12:36] <camcorder> np
[12:36] <ompaul> what are the errors?
[12:36] <emilie> Shchaf> Nope doc
[12:36] <ompaul> queuetue, message me if they are plentyful or put them in pastebin.com
[12:36] <emilie> Shachaf> Nope doc
[12:36] <Raz> Alright, thanks Burgundavia for all y our help. It's working fine now. :)
[12:36] <Shachaf> emilie: That makes things even more complicated.
[12:36] <goonie> camcorder~ how can I use mplayer when it hangs with alsa and crashes completely when i changed to esd?
[12:37] <Burgundavia> Raz, np
[12:37] <Shachaf> emilie: You might have a chance o finding it with grep, though.
[12:37] <camcorder> goonie: killall esd and run mplayer
[12:37] <queuetue> ompaul, do you mind a URL?  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=135196#post135196
[12:37] <MFKR> haha, forgot to switch nicks XD
[12:37] <ompaul> queuetue, not at all
[12:37] <emilie> Shachaf> i'm pretty newbie... Can you guide me?
[12:37] <MFKR> Now, I got one last, final, newbish question: does Ubuntu come with Wine installed?
[12:37] <Shachaf> emilie: What's the first line of the output of ``mount'', again?
[12:38] <Shachaf> MFKR: No.
[12:38] <Echylo> MFKR, no
[12:38] <Shachaf> MFKR: ``sudo apt-get install wine''.
[12:38] <emilie> Shachaf>/dev/hda1 on / type unknown (rw,errors=remount-ro)
[12:38] <Shachaf> emilie: Try (this might take a while):
[12:39] <ompaul> queuetue, have you tried a live cd?
[12:39] <goonie> camcorder~ ok mplayer running again but I can't play files, it just hangs... what can I do?
[12:39] <itay> why I can't install java through apt-get? E: Couldn't find package java
[12:39] <Shachaf> emilie: Is there a particular pice of text in the document that you remember?
[12:39] <queuetue> ompaul, I have, it boots fine, but I see DriveSeekReady errors on hda in dmesg.
[12:39] <camcorder> goonie: it still hangs after you killall esd and run it?
[12:39] <emilie> Shachaf> Yes
[12:40] <Shachaf> itay: http://ubuntuguide.org/
[12:40] <Shachaf> emilie: Which is?
[12:40] <Shachaf> emilie: How long is it, I mean?
[12:40] <Shachaf> emilie: And was it all left in the same format?
[12:40] <emilie> Shachaf> The part I remember?
[12:41] <Shachaf> emilie: Yes.
[12:41] <goonie> camcorder~ crashed and exited with error 11 something about audio_decode ...
[12:41] <Shachaf> emilie: It has to be exact.
[12:41] <ompaul> queuetue, you get the same kind of impact on that other software from the town of redmond?
[12:41] <emilie> Shachaf> i have an old useless version of the document so pretty long...
[12:42] <camcorder> goonie: hmm are you sure you have necessary codecs to play that thing
[12:42] <Shachaf> emilie: A few words should be enough.
[12:42] <emilie> Shachaf: ok
[12:42] <Shachaf> emilie: As long as they're all formatted the same.
[12:42] <Shachaf> emilie: Let me see...
[12:42] <goonie> camcorder~ i installed w32codecs, thougt that should do it
[12:42] <camcorder> goonie: check if it crashes on all things it might not be a esd vs alsa issue (hanging is sure it is but i tell this for crashing)
[12:42] <emilie> Shachaf> they are
[12:42] <camcorder> goonie: just try something else
[12:42] <goonie> k.. bbl
[12:44] <queuetue> ompaul, with much less error reporting, but the format drive portion of the install ran for about 8 hourd and never got to 1%... (I don't know how normal this is - I haven't used win for years, and will not use it again after this test, but I suspect this is too slow even for Windows. :) )
[12:44] <ompaul> queuetue, regretfully I know what you say to be true
[12:44] <nydust> where in apache2 do i enable php? I have done an apt-get install apache2 and all the php4 libs, but it dosent work
[12:45] <Shachaf> emilie: Sorry.
[12:45] <Shachaf> emilie: I waqs wrong.
[12:45] <markuman> someone have install bos ?
[12:45] <Shachaf> emilie: I don't know how to do it after all.
[12:45] <markuman> it doesn't run
[12:45] <ompaul> queuetue, I would be inclined to look in the bios for something to do with disks - dma and stuff, google for the board name and disk drive
[12:45] <emilie> Shachaf> no sweat
[12:45] <markuman> :-/
[12:45] <emilie> Shachaf> Thanx for trying
[12:45] <Shachaf> markuman: What's ``bos''?
[12:45] <goonie> camcorder~ err... it might have been the file I was testing hehe... another file works just fine... Thank you very much
[12:46] <Shachaf> emilie: Sorry.
[12:46] <camcorder> np
[12:46] <camcorder> it's codec issue not your files fault ;P
[12:46] <markuman> shachaf, a game
[12:46] <goonie> liable~ thanks for all your help today.. everything working now... until next crash guys hehe
[12:46] <Shachaf> markuman: Oh.
[12:47] <Shachaf> markuman: I don't know it, but waht's the error?
[12:47] <ompaul> queuetue, I have looked on google and get no worthwhile response
[12:48] <markuman> markuman@ubuntu:~$ stratagus-bos
[12:48] <markuman> Battle of Survival default config file loading ...
[12:48] <markuman> Can't open file: No such file or directory
[12:48] <markuman> Can't open file: No such file or directory
[12:48] <markuman> ... ready!
[12:48] <queuetue> ompaul, Same here.  Would you blame hardware yet?  (And would you assume it is not a design problem, but a defect of some kind?)
[12:49] <ompaul> queuetue, it seems to be an issue where the bios can not talk to a drive I know the other day I had extreme issues with a 64bit box talking to a 32bit hard drive it had to do with making the drive master /slave in the presence an sata disk
[12:49] <ompaul> queuetue, I am thinking hardware defect
[12:49] <talash> Hi all!
[12:49] <talash> How do I set up a hostname in smb.conf?
[12:49] <ompaul> queuetue, what is annoying me is one thing
[12:49] <Shachaf> markuman: Downloading bos myself...
[12:49] <ompaul> queuetue, the cdrom can be read
[12:50] <ompaul> queuetue, I take it the cdrom is atapi
[12:50] <markuman> shachaf, i think, i have the mistake
[12:50] <ompaul> queuetue, I take it the cdrom is atapi/ide
[12:50] <Shachaf> markuman: What is it?
[12:50] <markuman> shachaf, install bos and stratagus
[12:50] <markuman> and not only bos
[12:50] <queuetue> ompaul, Yes.  hand the secondary channel (hdb, hdd) are boith completely readable and writable.
[12:50] <Shachaf> markuman: Stratagus is a dependency of bos.
[12:50] <markuman> but don't know....will try it
[12:51] <Shachaf> markuman: SO it's being installed automatically.
[12:51] <fazer> Good morning, bah, I can't lseep.
[12:51] <ompaul> queuetue, then I point at the hardware of the first interface
[12:51] <Echylo> Shachaf, what is bos? just an expansion of stratagu?
[12:51] <markuman> hm...i have make apt-get install stratagus, and he done it....so apt-get have not install it with bos automaticaly
[12:51] <ompaul> queuetue, ide0 seems to be bad / solder / connection /something else
[12:51] <Shachaf> Echylo: Ask markuman.
[12:51] <queuetue> ompaul, Not just the interface - this same behavior happens if I plug a HD into hdc...
[12:51] <Echylo> markuman, what is bos? :p
[12:52] <fazer> Does anyone know why there is no sound when I play a avi in VLC?
[12:52] <Shachaf> Echylo: As far as I know, stratagus is just a game engine.
[12:52] <queuetue> ompaul, hdb and hdd seem fine, and either channel workds as ATAPI...
[12:52] <markuman> yes, for stratagus - Battle of Survival
[12:52] <Echylo> Shachaf, stratagus was a game on it's own I think
[12:52] <Shachaf> markuman: How did you install bos?
[12:52] <Shachaf> markuman: With apt?
[12:52] <ompaul> queuetue, yeah I would be back with that board to the shop - now :)
[12:52] <markuman> yes with apt
[12:52] <markuman> apt-ceache search bos
[12:52] <Shachaf> markuman: I'm getting a different error from you.
[12:53] <markuman> apt-ceache search stratagus
[12:53] <ompaul> queuetue, but I would look for another board - or in shop test
[12:53] <ompaul> of the same model
[12:53] <markuman> i think that is all what you need
[12:53] <queuetue> ompaul, unfortunatelry, newegg des not cross-ship, so it'll be a week or so.
[12:53] <Shachaf> markuman: ``X Error of failed request:  BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation)''.
[12:53] <fazer> Does anyone know why there is no sound when I play a avi in VLC?
[12:53] <markuman> what Shachaf?
[12:53] <ompaul> queuetue, the disadvantage of the internet :)
[12:53] <Shachaf> markuman: I'm getting this error after BoS displays its splash screen.
[12:54] <Shachaf> markuman: It's different from yours.
[12:54] <markuman> Shachaf, strange...
[12:54] <Shachaf> markuman: Wait, I'm also getting the ``can't open config file'' error.
[12:55] <ompaul> queuetue, have you got a digital camera?
[12:55] <trygvebw> hi, i'm downloading the Kubuntu livecd via bittorrent but it goes very slow. how can i speed it up?
[12:55] <ompaul> queuetue, and a different board?
[12:55] <BlackLabel> hey ompaul
[12:55] <ompaul> queuetue, and a different machine (oops)
[12:55] <fazer> mplayer vs. VLC , which is better?
[12:55] <Echylo> vlc
[12:55] <Echylo> I would choose that one
[12:56] <fazer> Echylo: i know, the video is nice but I don't hear any sound.
[12:56] <Echylo> only because it did everything in windows
[12:56] <fazer> Echylo: I get this error: [00000273]  oss audio output error: cannot open audio device (/dev/dsp)
[12:56] <Echylo> you have tried another sound serveR?
[12:56] <Echylo> cause vlc isn't installed here right now
[12:56] <fazer> Echylo: sound server?
[12:56] <Echylo> yess
[12:57] <Echylo> fazer, now it uses the oss sound server
[12:57] <fazer> Echylo: which sound server?
[12:57] <Echylo> fazer, try the esound
[12:57] <fazer> Echylo: oh.. apt-get install esound?
[12:57] <Echylo> fazer, can't you search it in the vlc settings?
[12:57] <queuetue> ompaul, No digital camera - Why?
[12:57] <Echylo> fazer,  normally with plugins I think
[12:57] <fazer> Echylo: I have...hmmm
[12:58] <Echylo> Shachaf, stratagus is the game engine indeed, stratagus-gl is a game based on it, and bos too I guess
[12:58] <ompaul> queuetue, well where I work we have to do some electronic stuff some times and the other day we used it to take macro photos and them put them on screen the blow up might just show the error
[01:00] <ompaul> queuetue, it would be nice to include a closeup photo of the board if you could see the errors
[01:01] <fazer> Echylo: hmm...it seems that esound is running but I don't know at which port..
[01:01] <ompaul> queuetue, or faults cracks in solder etc
[01:01] <queuetue> Ah.
[01:01] <Echylo> fazer: maybe the command 'netstat' will help you, run it in terminal
[01:02] <fazer> Echylo: roger that
[01:02] <queuetue> ompaul, But you are of the opinion (as am I) that this drive shoud work with standard PATA IDE drives, and there is something wrong that would not necessarily be wrong with another board of the same model?
[01:02] <Echylo> fazer, but I'm afraid that won't help you
[01:03] <fazer> Echylo: yeah, it didn't.
[01:03] <ompaul> queuetue, I am and it may be good , however I also believe in mass production and failures being in batches
[01:03] <Echylo> fazer, can't help you more then, apt-get is downloading, so I can't install vlc
[01:04] <fazer> Echylo: ah okay, what time is it for where you are at?
[01:04] <MFKR> Alright, I got WINE installed now, but WineTools can't be downloaded and installed, so I guess I'll have to do with the command line. Anyone knows how I could try installing NeverWinter through that?
[01:04] <Echylo> fazer, ?
[01:04] <queuetue> ompaul, Ok, I'll probably wind up ordering a second, fedex it, and then get the credit with the RMA...
[01:05] <ompaul> if you deal with them on a regular basis go for it
[01:05] <Echylo> mkfr mount the cd, and type "wine setup.exe"
[01:05] <fazer> Echylo: where are you from?
[01:05] <Echylo> fazer, belgium
[01:06] <fazer> Echylo: ah, Canada here.  7 AM =(
[01:06] <fazer> I shoud've been in bed hours ago
[01:06] <Echylo> :)
[01:06] <Echylo> it's 1pm here
[01:06] <queuetue> ompaul, I don't - would you go with a different vendor and justr return the board?
[01:06] <MFKR> Echylo, what's the command for mounting the CD?
[01:06] <Echylo> MFKR, normally it mounts a cd automatic
[01:07] <Echylo> so just "cd /dev/cdrom"
[01:07] <fazer> or /media/cdrom
[01:07] <Echylo> but I don't think that wine can handle Never winter nights
[01:07] <Echylo> you'll need cedega for that I'm afraid
[01:07] <ompaul> queuetue, na I would give them a chance - and tell them if they have had any other returns of that model you want something else
[01:07] <fazer> didn't Never Winter Nights releaes  Linux version? Or is that Server only?
[01:08] <Echylo> I thought they released a linux installer
[01:08] <Burgundavia> fazer, yes
[01:08] <fazer> Burgundavia: yes as in server only?
[01:08] <xvlun> NWN is available for linux for some years now...
[01:08] <Echylo> yes as in linux version I think
[01:09] <Burgundavia> fazer, both
[01:09] <Echylo> lel
[01:09] <fazer> Ah
[01:09] <carambol> firefox-1.0.3 not available for ubuntu?
[01:09] <fazer> Echylo: so, you are setting up VLC?
[01:09] <MFKR> Is it just an installer or a different version though?
[01:09] <Echylo> fazer, no not yet
[01:09] <Echylo> oh it is now :lp
[01:09] <fazer> Echylo: ah, hehe.
[01:10] <Echylo> but it's pretty slow, comp is ripping cd
[01:10] <MFKR> Hmm, I found the installer actually.
[01:10] <MFKR> Not sure if it'll work with my version though (Platinum)
[01:10] <Echylo> give it a try
[01:11] <davix> how can I install "call of duty" on linux?
[01:11] <Echylo> carambol, that firefox will probably be available in breezy, but I don't advise you to upgrade yet, cause it's pretty broken(own experiences)
[01:11] <schasi> Is there a Ubuntu netinstall cd?
[01:11] <Echylo> Davix you'll need cedega :)
[01:11] <davix> what is cedega?
[01:11] <flipy> hi
[01:11] <MFKR> If the installer doesn't work, will I need Cedega and WINE though?
[01:11] <Echylo> schasi, I don't think so, not sure though maybe unoffically
[01:12] <carambol> thx Echylo
[01:12] <flipy> is there any way to install hoary in a fake-raid (mobo controller raid)?
[01:12] <Echylo> davix, cedega supports game better, for linux and has a better support for directx
[01:12] <davix> erm, so is there a manual for it
[01:12] <fazer> mhmm
[01:12] <Echylo> davix, cedega is not 'free' though
[01:13] <fazer> VLC plays it more smoother than it did on Windows.
[01:13] <Echylo> fazer, linux handles memory better
[01:13] <bet0x> fazer, VLC rulz :D
[01:14] <fazer> Echylo, bet0x heh yeah, now only if my video card driver was better.
[01:14] <goo> Hello - I just installed Hoary, and my Firefox doesn't go to urls pasted into it - anyone knows why?
[01:14] <fazer> Everytime I scroll a page, it lags and makes the cpu reach 100%
[01:14] <Echylo> davix, check out www.transgaming.com (search amule or your p2p prog for cedega ;))
[01:14] <Echylo> fazer, yea same here
[01:14] <fazer> Echylo: you get the same scrolling issue?!
[01:14] <Echylo> fazer, where?
[01:14] <Echylo> pj
[01:14] <Echylo> no
[01:15] <ploum>  I've installed Ubuntu Hoary. Before launching Evo for the first time, I've put my backup in ~/.evolution
[01:15] <fazer> Echylo: wait, what were you referring to when you said 'yeah, same here'
[01:15] <ploum> All was fine
[01:15] <ploum> except that I've no more others adressbooks than "Personnal" :-(
[01:15] <Echylo> fazer, the need for a better video card :D
[01:15] <fazer> Echylo: true
[01:15] <queuetue> ompaul, Well, the machine just stopped POSTing completely. :)
[01:15] <Echylo> fazer, I have this old pc so I actually need a new one :)
[01:16] <arbiter_dev> i installed 5.04 for my cousin today, and she has a Dell A920 printer, which is a rebranded Lexmark 1150, the only howto i could locate was for SuSe and had an RPM, any experience here with this printer?
[01:16] <ompaul> queuetue, that might just perhaps on the off chance be some hardware issue
[01:16] <fazer> Echylo: i have an old laptop, look forward to getting an ibook or something soon.
[01:16] <Echylo> :)
[01:16] <fazer> Echylo: mine's a 366 MHz with 160 MB ram, how about you?
[01:16] <Echylo> "p2 433mhz 192 ram"
[01:16] <fazer> Echylo: oh and its laptop btw =/
[01:16] <Echylo> here it's just a desktop pc
[01:17] <Echylo> and I have a p1 65ram too
[01:17] <fazer> Ah
[01:17] <Echylo> that's the messing with everything machine ;)
[01:18] <queuetue> ompaul, Now, it posts - 15 or 16 power-off-power-on cycles...
[01:19] <yahalom> how do i make my spool directory to be mode 01777?
[01:19] <fazer> Echylo: yeah, thats always neat to have.  So, how's VLC doing?
[01:19] <MyNameIsChris> Hi, how do I install a .deb file in my home directory?
[01:19] <Echylo> fazer, installed, you'll just have to wait for my cd being ripped(1minute remaining)
[01:19] <fazer> Echylo: ah awesome
[01:20] <yahalom> anyone know?
[01:20] <maddler> MyNameIsChris... dpkg -i filename.deb
[01:20] <Echylo> sudo dpkg -i filename.deb
[01:20] <Echylo> ;)
[01:20] <Echylo> or nor?
[01:20] <Echylo> not?
[01:20] <MyNameIsChris> maddler, thanks, I am still getting used to Debian package management
[01:20] <maddler> hehehe... me too... :)
[01:21] <MyNameIsChris> Echylo, Thanks as well, you will have to be faster next time
[01:21] <kyncani> MyNameIsChris: i assume the app you want is not available with synaptic ?
[01:21] <Echylo> lel
[01:21] <Echylo> fazer, i'm looking in preferences now, can't find anything until now
[01:22] <MyNameIsChris> kyncani, I searched with apt-cache with the sources I got from ubuntuguide.org
[01:22] <fazer> Echylo: oh?
[01:22] <Echylo> fazer,  have you tried to change the output audio module?
[01:23] <kyncani> MyNameIsChris: and you've enabled main, restricted, universe and multiverse in your sources.list ?
[01:23] <fazer> Echylo: Probably, but not sure to which one?
[01:23] <Echylo> just pick one :P
[01:23] <Echylo> aha
[01:23] <Echylo> do this
[01:23] <Echylo> sudo apt-get install vlc-plugin-esd
[01:24] <fazer> Echylo: ooh
[01:24] <fazer> Echylo: damn, thats cool.  *hugs Ubuntu*
[01:24] <TheBoneSilver> Giorno a tutti
[01:24] <MyNameIsChris> ouch
[01:24] <fazer> Echylo: Plugin not found?
[01:24] <fazer> *package
[01:25] <fazer> oh wait nevermind
[01:25] <Echylo> oh euhm have you activated the hoary universe repo?
[01:25] <fazer> i gave "install" twice
[01:25] <fazer> its Reading now.
[01:25] <Echylo> oh :D
[01:25] <fazer> Echylo: haha yeah, I make a lot ofmistakes, anyways, so now that its done, what do I do? just run it now?
[01:25] <Echylo> no
[01:26] <Echylo> fazer, launch vlc, go to preferences, audio, below activate advanced options, audio module to esound
[01:26] <Echylo> gtg now
[01:26] <fazer> Echylo: awesome! thanks.
[01:27] <Echylo> but does it works?
[01:27] <fazer> Echylo: no, doesn't seem to
[01:27] <fazer> still gives that /dev/dsp error.
[01:28] <markuman> for ubuntu gamers there is now an irc channel -> #ubuntu-gaming ;-)
[01:28] <fazer> along with this:
[01:28] <fazer> [00000272]  esd audio output error: cannot open esound socket (format 0x00001021 at 44100 Hz)
[01:28] <MyNameIsChris> markuman, thanks
[01:29] <MyNameIsChris> markuman, I do have a few questions
[01:29] <sparkling> when i try to run Totem i get "impossible to run, busy resource or not available" but some days ago i was using totem to listen mp3...do you how i can resolve? i've already tried to remove and reinstall...
[01:29] <dad> evening all
[01:29] <TheBoneSilver> hello , i have a problem , when i try to receive a file from Msn , the transfer is very slow , why ?
[01:30] <fazer> TheBoneSilver: that is sometimes the sender's fault..
[01:30] <floater> sparkling: cannot run program or cannot run video/audio on it ?
[01:30] <fazer> TheBoneSilver: what is the sender's connection?
[01:30] <sparkling> floater,  cannot run the program
[01:30] <floater> k, donno then
[01:31] <megamind> hi there
[01:31] <megamind> how is everyody
[01:31] <TheBoneSilver> fazer : I have connection very fast , also the sender
[01:31] <fazer> Echylo: you there?
[01:31] <fazer> TheBoneSilver: then, not sure..
[01:31] <megamind> i need some help about squid .. in ubuntoo ...
[01:31] <megamind> i need some help about squid .. in ubuntoo ...
[01:31] <TheBoneSilver> fazer : can it depended from firewall ?
[01:32] <fazer> TheBoneSilver: hmm...i would say no, if it did, your connection won't go through then..
[01:32] <fazer> TheBoneSilver: i have had the same problem myself...
[01:32] <fazer> TheBoneSilver: its usually you or the sender or both...
[01:32] <fazer> TheBoneSilver: if the other user has MSN Messenger and you are using Gaim, then there's a difference.
[01:32] <fazer> But anyways, I must get some shut eye, good nights.
[01:33] <Benjamin_L> is there any workaround to show volume icons on the desktop in breezy ? gnome-volume-manager works as it should
[01:33] <megamind> i need some help about squid .. in ubuntoo ...
[01:33] <megamind> i need some help about squid .. in ubuntoo ...
[01:33] <megamind> i need some help about squid .. in ubuntoo ...
[01:33] <megamind> i need some help about squid .. in ubuntoo ...
[01:33] <megamind> i need some help about squid .. in ubuntoo ...
[01:33] <megamind> i need some help about squid .. in ubuntoo ...
[01:33] <LinuxJones> megamind, please don't do that
[01:33] <megamind> okz ... sorry
[01:34] <megamind> linuxjones can u help me abt that ... plz
[01:34] <emilie> I can't print pdf files from xpdf. Do I need another reader?
[01:34] <LinuxJones> megamind, I have necer run squid there might be an actual irc channel on freenode for it tho.
[01:35] <LinuxJones> never*
[01:35] <ssam> emilie, try installing evince
[01:35] <megamind> oh ... how can i trace that irc channel on free node any idea ?
[01:36] <LinuxJones> megamind, you can do /list to list all the channels
[01:36] <ssam> try #squid
[01:36] <Benjamin_L> is tehre a way to show active /dev entries ?
[01:36] <emilie> ssam> Squid for me?
[01:37] <ssam> benjamin_L, do you mean find out whats mounded
[01:37] <ssam> emilile, no squid for megamind
[01:37] <ssam> benjamin_L, do you mean find out whats mounted
[01:37] <Benjamin_L> ssam, well sort of, my card reader doesn't show and so i need to mount it manually
[01:38] <Benjamin_L> gnome-volume-manager detecs it correctly
[01:38] <ssam> benjamin_L, if you type 'mount' you get a list of mounted drives
[01:38] <megamind> so i think i can not seek the help here about squid as i can not see that package at synaptic package manger :(
[01:38] <Benjamin_L> ssam, nothing there which could be the reader
[01:39] <ssam> benjamin_L, 'fdisk -l /dev/sda' will list all the partitions on a drive
[01:39] <emilie> ssam> do I need to upgrade to hoary?
[01:39] <LinuxJones> emilie, not unless you want newer software
[01:39] <ssam> benjamin_L, /dev/sda is the usually point for usb drives
[01:39] <LinuxJones> emilie, if everything is working ok you don't have to
[01:39] <Benjamin_L> "fdisk -l /dev/sda" does nothing, and yes, it should be sda1 but nothing is there
[01:40] <ssam> emilie, probably for evince, or you could try gdpf (i think that is in the warty universe)
[01:40] <ssam> benjamin_L, warty or hoary?
[01:40] <Benjamin_L> breezy ^^
[01:40] <Benjamin_L> mainly hoary
[01:41] <Benjamin_L> maybe the udev update screwed things up
[01:41] <emilie> ssam> I couldn't apt-get either one...
[01:41] <ssam> benjamin_L, oh, stuff may have broken, you could try the dev mailinglist/forum
[01:41] <ssam> emilie, do you have the universe enabled
[01:41] <emilie> ssam> ahh but gpdf worked...
[01:41] <Benjamin_L> I'll take a look in the mailing lists, but irc is my main "question area" ^^
[01:42] <emilie> ssam> made a spellingerror
[01:42] <jhaig> Would people recommend using Ubuntu on a server?  I would use plain Debian otherwise.
[01:43] <ssam> benjamin_L, yes, but if the right people arn't in the irc room at the moment, then they wont see the message, mailinglist and forums will get noticed eventually
[01:43] <Benjamin_L> sure
[01:43] <ssam> benjamin_L, is there a dev irc room? #ubuntu-dev ?
[01:44] <LinuxJones> ssam, #ubuntu-devel
[01:44] <bet0x> the people here never sleep ? :p
[01:44] <emilie> ssam> gpdf seems to have the same problem...
[01:44] <Benjamin_L> ssam, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=27286 here we go :(
[01:45] <Benjamin_L> i know i should have kept hoary
[01:45] <LinuxJones> Benjamin_L, your having problems with Breezy ?
[01:45] <jsgotangco> he should have problems with it
[01:45] <ssam> emilie, can you print anything? like a test page in the print preference panel
[01:45] <Benjamin_L> LinuxJones, yep, just take a look at the forum thread
[01:46] <jsgotangco> its bound to break anytime
[01:46] <emilie> ssam> Yes it is only PDF that's a problem...
[01:46] <Benjamin_L> jsgotangco, almost never had problems with "pre-hoary"
[01:47] <jsgotangco> Benjamin_L hoary broked a couple of times
[01:47] <ssam> emilie, could you be missing something like ghostscript?
[01:47] <emilie> ssam> maybe
[01:47] <Benjamin_L> guess I'll have to wait :)
[01:47] <emilie> ssam> but then I would not be able to print at all would I?
[01:48] <ssam> emilie, i am not sure about how the print system works
[01:48] <emilie> ssam> ok
[01:48] <ssam> emilie, if you ergently need to print a pdf, try opening it in gimp
[01:48] <bet0x> IRC is a global forum where people of all creeds, colors, and religions can come together and make fun of slow witted people mercilessly.......
[01:49] <Burgundavia> bet0x, not on #ubuntu
[01:49] <ssam> emilie, set a the dpi to 300 or more, and set strong anti-aliasing
[01:49] <bet0x> =)
[01:49] <jme> how do I change the default media player from xine to totem?
[01:49] <Havok_> hi guys
[01:49] <ssam> emilie, then you'll get a large high res bitmap that gimp can print
[01:49] <Havok_> anyone got xdamage and xcomposite to work with XFCE?
[01:50] <pisuke> hi. I get no sound with mms:// files in totem-xine, all plugins installed. any ideas?
[01:50] <ssam> havok_, no but i got drop shadows in gnome
[01:50] <Havok_> ssam: are they hardware accelerated?
[01:51] <Havok_> just wondering about the capabilities of the stock x.org package in ubuntu
[01:51] <ssam> havok_, yes, i have an ati radeon, with the open source drivers#
[01:51] <emilie> ssam> It's not very urgent... It's rather something I want to fix permanently...
[01:51] <Havok_> ssam: cool, I have a radeon as well and was about to build the drivers
[01:52] <Benjamin_L> is there a way to apt-get older packages, something like --force ?
[01:52] <Havok_> I was planning on using the ATI ones though, but maybe I will try the open source ones
[01:52] <ssam> havok_, see http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DropShadows
[01:52] <emilie> ssam> The printer recieves the message to print, but only prints rubish...
[01:53] <ssam> emilie, i am affraid that is beyond me
[01:53] <ikaro> mojn
[01:54] <Sionide> #  Customer: "How much do Windows cost?"
[01:54] <Sionide> # Tech Support: "Windows costs about $100."
[01:54] <Sionide> # Customer: "Oh, that's kind of expensive. Can I buy just one window?"
[01:54] <emilie> ssam> ok... Thanx anyway
[01:54] <Havok_> ssam: thanks for the link, do you find the radeon drivers slow?
[01:55] <emilie> i have trouble printing PDF files. Anyone knows howto?
[01:55] <ssam> havok_, i use powerpc (apple mac), so i cant use the biary drivers, but the os ones seem fine
[01:56] <Havok_> ssam: ok thanks for the help
[01:57] <emilie> i cannot print pdf from either gpdf nor xpdf. Please help me
[01:57] <Havok_> emilie: what printer do you have?
[01:57] <emilie> havok> HP laserjet 5l
[01:58] <Havok_> emilie: can you print pictures etc from other applications, or just text
[01:58] <xploda> hej
[01:58] <emilie> Havok_> Actually havn't tried it Just a minute
[01:59] <ssam> emilie, have you searched the forums
[02:00] <emilie> ssam> yes
[02:00] <jhaig> (Try again - didn't get an answer before, or missed it)  Would people recommend using Ubuntu on a server?  I would use plain Debian otherwise.
[02:01] <emilie> ssam: there seems to be a bug of some sort, but I couldn't find any solutions
[02:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> jhaig. use debian
[02:01] <thenuke> jhaig: well I like to use ubuntu as a server
[02:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> we tried ubuntu as a server and we desided to just move it to debian
[02:02] <jhaig> I get the impression that Ubuntu is mainly targetted at the desktop.  That's why I ask.
[02:02] <Echylo> ah fazer is gone?
[02:03] <tbird> morning all
[02:05] <phanter> hello there. I just removed skype because it would not work. who is willing to help me trying it to get to work again ?
[02:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> phanter. what was it doing?
[02:05] <ssam> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SkypeHowto/view?searchterm=skype
[02:06] <phanter> first i got it that fat that i could hear it ringing. than I could not speak or hear in a phonecall. After a reinstallation It is not able to give any sound
[02:07] <emilie> Havok_: Tried printing other picture... The printer freaks out completely... Print naked pages... It's disgusting
[02:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> i hav had problesm too
[02:07] <phanter> euh yes. i did install skype via the standard procedure but that does not work
[02:08] <Havok_> emilie: do you know what driver you are using?
[02:09] <Havok_> if you are using the ljet5 try the ljet4 instead
[02:10] <phanter> I got skype totally working one time, but that ment that I had to close some sound drivers before I could make or receive a call and afterards relaod those drivers again. That was not a very nice way of working with skype
[02:12] <emilie> Havok_: I'll try that
[02:15] <davix> who told me before about the call of duty installation?
[02:16] <nydust> how do i make a file writeablel?
[02:16] <nydust> chmod ????
[02:17] <Pluk> chmod +x file
[02:17] <emilie> Havok_: I already have the ljet4 as it turns out
[02:18] <ssam> nydust, go to the permissions tab on a files properties
[02:20] <Pluk> great just created a desktopmenu on xfce
[02:21] <nydust> ssam, from consol,
[02:21] <nydust> Pluk, what with an dir?
[02:22] <reikd_> hi
[02:22] <ssam> nydust, thats from nautilus
[02:22] <Pluk> nydust, the same
[02:24] <xfs> Hello! Anyone knowing how to get the unichrome-drivers to work on a aspire-laptop?
[02:24] <ssam> nydust, from terminal, chmod WHO+WHAT FILE, where who is 'u' for owner, 'g' for group, 'o' for other. WHAT is 'r' for read, 'w' for write, and 'x' for execute(run)
[02:25] <Havok_> emilie: what happens if you open up a console and type "echo hello | lp"
[02:25] <megamind> hi again ... anybody willing to help me on some basics of ubuntoo ... plz
[02:26] <abloylas> ?
[02:26] <diaoune> Hi. Any PPC Ubuntu users have a working Macromedia flash plugin?
[02:26] <lunitik> megamind: if you ask us a question... we'll try to answer  :/
[02:27] <megamind> thanks ... i wan to know i want to configure the smb.conf file .. and i can not login as root ... what do i do ?
[02:27] <lunitik> megamind: most don't appreciate people asking to ask...
[02:27] <jaco^> gibernau has an ubuntu distro on his moto?
[02:27] <ssam> diaoune, i think you are out of luck
[02:27] <jaco^> :)
[02:27] <lunitik> megamind: firstly, you just want to connect to another box? you don't need to touch that file
[02:27] <ssam> diaoune, macromedia dont make a powerpc/linux version
[02:27] <lunitik> megamind: that file is to configure the server functions of samba
[02:28] <MuinainenKoski> o.o anyone know what to do when ubuntu says "invalid compressed format (err=2)" when i've runned the server type of installation from the ubuntu cd and tried to reboot to run it?
[02:28] <diaoune> I saw an option on a gentoo forum using qemu, but i don't know how to get the x86 flash plugin onto my system
[02:28] <mgor> where can i get the standard kernel configuration?
[02:28] <lunitik> megamind: also, for root permissions, see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[02:28] <megamind> yes ... but how else can i set ... users and home directory and etc
[02:28] <diaoune> ssam macromedia sux0rs
[02:28] <ssam> diaoune, you could look at swfdec
[02:29] <emilie> Havok_: request id is LaserJet-5L-31 (1 file(s))
[02:29] <diaoune> ssam, looking :)
[02:29] <lunitik> megamind: you do that at the server... you are setting a server? a workgroup situation is fine for home use...
[02:29] <mgor> heh, nm
[02:29] <ssam> diaoune, or qemu might be possible, but i am not sure if it would play nice with a native firefox
[02:29] <mgor> i'm just so stupid. /boot/config-2.6.10-5-386 maybe? :P
[02:29] <BC-bd> hello
[02:30] <abloylas> Hi! Could somebody help me play asf stream in firefox? What codecs do I need?
[02:30] <jaco^> gibernau is fallen
[02:30] <jaco^> hghghghg
[02:30] <megamind> ok ... but how can i set the home dir and workgroup name and accounts which can access and IP address that are allowed ?
[02:30] <jaco^> rossi is second
[02:30] <lunitik> megamind: you do that when you are sharing the file  :/
[02:30] <emilie> Havok_: What does that meen?
[02:30] <emilie> Havok_: What does that mean?
[02:30] <lunitik> megamind: they don't need a home dir though if a workgroup situation
[02:30] <Havok_> emilie: it doesn't print anything? maybe it should be lpr instead of lp
[02:31] <MuinainenKoski> anyone know what to do when ubuntu says "invalid compressed format (err=2)" when i've runned the server type of installation from the ubuntu cd and tried to reboot to run it? T_T;
[02:31] <BC-bd> I am installing 5.04. i was never asked to enter a http_proxy, thus the installation niow hangs at testing repository.
[02:31] <ntoskrnl> lunitik : i can't play MP3 files in Ubuntu , and when i ever try to run xmms and get freezy
[02:31] <megamind> oh ... then when i try to access tha ubuntoo machine on windows 2000 machine it askes for user and pass
[02:31] <lunitik> ntoskrnl: apt-get install xmms-mp3 ...
[02:31] <ntoskrnl> lunitik : are you sure?!
[02:31] <lunitik> ntoskrnl: or gstreamer0.8-mad for rhythmbox
[02:31] <Pluk> MuinainenKoski, do you have multiple harddisks?
[02:31] <emilie> Havok_:now it prints Hello
[02:32] <lunitik> ntoskrnl: blah... -mad ... it is in universe though
[02:32] <abloylas> to play mp3 on xmms you need to get mpg123
[02:32] <ntoskrnl> lunitik : i can't run xchat nor Gaim (Connecting)
[02:32] <lunitik> abloylas: no
[02:32] <Havok_> emilie: ok, now try "echo hello | a2ps | lpr"
[02:32] <Havok_> emilie:see if it prints garbage or a grey titlebar
[02:32] <lunitik> abloylas: apt-cache show xmms-mad
[02:33] <lunitik> abloylas: technically you need 'libmad0'  :/
[02:33] <ntoskrnl> lunitik i'll try it and i'll comeback
[02:33] <ntoskrnl> brb
[02:33] <abloylas> lutnik: are you saying mpg123 is not the way to go for mp3 on xmms?
[02:34] <emilie> Havok_: It says bash: a2ps: command not foundlpr: stdin is empty, so no job has been sent.
[02:34] <lunitik> abloylas: yes
[02:34] <abloylas> lutnik: works for me.
[02:34] <lunitik> abloylas: I didn't say it wouldn't work... its just not the 'correct' way  :/
[02:34] <Havok_> emilie: you might have to install the a2ps package
[02:35] <abloylas> lutnik: please explain. I'd like to learn.
[02:35] <lunitik> abloylas: libmad0 is a far better decoder than mpg123  :/
[02:35] <emilie> Havok_: can i apt-get it ou think?
[02:35] <MuinainenKoski> Pluk yes i've got 2 hard disks currently, but i didnt even use the other one during install, jsut left it unformatted
[02:35] <Echylo> hmm what is an ebuild file?
[02:35] <Havok_> emilie: yeah, it's in universe IIRC
[02:35] <lunitik> emilie: yes
[02:36] <emilie> Havok_:apt-getting it now
[02:36] <Havok_> emilie: whilst you are installing you should also get the package gs-common
[02:36] <abloylas> lutnik: i seem to have libmad0, but i had to get mpg123 for mp3 to work
[02:36] <Pluk> MuinainenKoski, possibly grub installed wrong on your sys, during boot in grub menu press e on the first entry
[02:36] <Havok_> which includes a tool for converting pdf to a printers postscript format
[02:37] <ssam> you might want to try beep-media-player instead of xmms
[02:37] <emilie> Havok_:All installed
[02:37] <MuinainenKoski> it doesnt boot in grub menu. first it says its loading lilo, then validating bios, once those two are done its "uncompressing linux" and after that it gives me that error :x
[02:37] <SuperCatFrog> hi - does anybody know where i can get kdebindings (or just ruby-qt) from? i dont wanna compile from source because i want upgrading to be just a apt-get dist-upgrade (i haven't even customised the kernel)
[02:38] <Pluk> MuinainenKoski, possibly the entry there states: root            (hd1,x) or somthing wich should be (hd0.x)
[02:38] <lunitik> SuperCatFrog: last I checked, kdebindings is in universe
[02:38] <Pluk> where x is your root partition
[02:38] <SuperCatFrog> lunitik - ok, i'l look thanks
[02:38] <emilie> Havok_: emilie@bryggernet ~ $ echo hello | a2ps | lpr
[02:38] <emilie> [stdin (plain): 1 page on 1 sheet] 
[02:38] <emilie> [Total: 1 page on 1 sheet]  sent to the default printer
[02:38] <emilie> lpr: stdin is empty, so no job has been sent.
[02:38] <dave__> hi, just installedubuntu, im a new linux user so dont know much, i downloaded xmms to play my mp3's, which i can see via my windows network, but when i try to ./configure, it says i have no c compiler
[02:39] <Havok_> emilie: maybe "echo hello | a2ps" is enough
[02:39] <Den> Hi
[02:39] <lunitik> dave__: 'apt-get install build-essential'
[02:39] <Den> Hi girls!!!
[02:39] <lunitik> dave__: but why are you compiling xmms?
[02:39] <SuperCatFrog> Package kdebindings is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[02:39] <SuperCatFrog> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[02:39] <SuperCatFrog> is only available from another source
[02:39] <justinf> anyone know how to disable tap-to-click on a laptop trackpad in Hoary?
[02:40] <dave__> do i type that ina terninaml window luntik? i dont know how else do i install it, im new, i dont really know what im doing
[02:40] <MuinainenKoski> Pluk: thanks it worked, i had bios set to read hd1 before hd0, silly me ;x
[02:40] <lunitik> SuperCatFrog: *shrug*  ... ask in #kubuntu then... was there last I checked
[02:40] <Echylo> dave__, open a terminal & type "sudo apt-get install xmms"
[02:40] <Pluk> :)
[02:40] <SuperCatFrog> lunitik - ive been asking in there, here and #ruby for days - can you check its definately there now?
[02:40] <lunitik> dave__: type 'apt-get install xmms-mad' ... make sure universe is enabled though...
[02:41] <Echylo> http://www.ubuntuguide.org
[02:41] <emilie> Havok_: It sends to the printer but the printer goes down... Blinks the errorlight
[02:41] <dave__> xmms-mad or just xmms? universe??
[02:41] <lunitik> SuperCatFrog: in 'days' you haven't figured out how to look yourself?
[02:41] <bet0x> root@ubuntu:~ # shfsmount root@starhome.biz:/home/barrahom /mnt/remote
[02:41] <bet0x> root@starhome.biz's password:
[02:41] <bet0x> stdin: is not a tty
[02:41] <bet0x> shfsmount: shfs filesystem not supported by the kernel
[02:41] <bet0x> root@ubuntu:~ # mount
[02:41] <bet0x> any use ssh file system here?
[02:42] <bet0x> like a normal file system, but over ssh with fuse..
[02:42] <lunitik> dave__: installing xmms-mad will also install xmms... but give you mp3 support right away
[02:42] <SuperCatFrog> lunitik - yes i have, its not there for me
[02:42] <SuperCatFrog> lunitik - if its there for you, i know my config is wrong
[02:42] <Havok_> emilie: that's wierd, seems like your printer isn't accepting postcript, I thought all the laserjets did
[02:42] <lunitik> dave__: instead of installing xmms first, then xmms-mad when you figure out you need it  ;)
[02:43] <cikilin> is anybody using valknut?
[02:43] <lunitik> SuperCatFrog: I don't care about KDE things... and you seem unable to help yourself... why should I help you when you can't help yourself?
[02:43] <abloylas> Could somebody help me play asf stream in firefox? What codecs do I need?
[02:43] <emilie> havok_: It says so on linuxprinting aswell
[02:43] <dave__> oopsalready typed just xmms oh well guess ill type that next
[02:43] <abloylas> lutnik: thanks, i removed mpg123
[02:43] <phanter> hey i noticed that there are less updates available for ubuntu. Is that really the case or has it to do with my settings
[02:43] <lunitik> abloylas: you're welcome
[02:43] <dave__> thanks for ure help
[02:43] <lunitik> dave__: you know how to enable universe?
[02:43] <dave__> know anything about configuring wifi cards?
[02:43] <dave__> nope what is it?
[02:44] <lunitik> dave__: it is where xmms-mad is...
[02:44] <SuperCatFrog> lunitik - it doesn't matter. ive been googling and asking on irc for days. all you have to do is pretend to install it (surely there's an option to apt-get) or even apt-cache search kdebindings
[02:44] <phanter> i have my wireless working
[02:44] <SuperCatFrog> and just tell me if its there, but its ok, doesn't matter.
[02:44] <justinf> wireless working fine here too
[02:44] <lunitik> dave__: just find the 'deb' line that lists universe at the end
[02:44] <justinf> pcmcia install barfs though when you upgrade to hoary
[02:45] <lunitik> SuperCatFrog: www.apt-get.org
[02:45] <dave__> ?? deb line? wassat?
[02:45] <justinf> the line that starts with deb
[02:45] <dave__> sorry for my ignorance im new to it all
[02:45] <Havok_> emilie: you could try resetting your printer (manually) and sending the pdf file directly
[02:45] <lunitik> dave__: gah... in /etc/apt/sources.list... but maybe you shouldn't be editing that yourself...
[02:46] <justinf> dave - just use the synaptic manager
[02:46] <dave__> lol probably true!
[02:46] <SuperCatFrog> lunitik - just 3.1.0 (too old): http://www1.apt-get.org/search.php?query=kdebindings&submit=Submit&arch%5B%5D=i386&arch%5B%5D=all
[02:46] <emilie> Havok_:How do I send it directly?
[02:46] <lunitik> dave__: in System > Administration > Synaptic Package Manager ... go to Settings > Repository and look for the first listing for 'universe'... make sure it is on
[02:46] <jaco^> breeze is started?
[02:47] <jaco^> i want upgrade to breeze
[02:47] <cikilin> is anybody using valknut?
[02:47] <lunitik> SuperCatFrog: guess you have to compile it then  :/
[02:47] <lunitik> SuperCatFrog: have fun
[02:47] <Echylo> jaco don't :)
[02:47] <SuperCatFrog> thanks anyway lunitik
[02:47] <Havok_> emilie: so if your file is "foo.pdf" then "pdf2ps foo.pdf" to convert it to a ps file, then "lpr foo.ps"
[02:47] <jaco^> sgrunt, let's go ubuntu developers :)
[02:47] <lunitik> jaco^: change 'hoary' to 'breezy' in /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:47] <Echylo> jaco it's broken, it'll break your hotpl :)
[02:47] <phanter> hey there, I use Hoary, but i noticed that most of my software has not been updates for more than a week. Are there no updates available?
[02:47] <Echylo> no phanter
[02:47] <ssam> jaco^, are you sure you want to
[02:48] <lunitik> Echylo: it isn't broken if you don't use kernel 2.6.10-5  :/
[02:48] <Echylo> well
[02:48] <Echylo> :p
[02:48] <Echylo> sst
[02:48] <ssam> jaco^, there could be lots of problems
[02:48] <jaco^> ssam i'm not interested to have a stable distro on this pc
[02:48] <jaco^> i like make experiment
[02:48] <ssam> jaco^, ok, just checking
[02:48] <Echylo> just got it broken :)
[02:48] <justinf> lunitik: hoary is on kernel 2.6.10 - maybe thats why my laptop trackpad has gone all funny since i upgraded from warty...
[02:48] <lunitik> Echylo: heh... here, 2.6.10-5 won't even boot though... complains about something to do with not able to load VFS...
[02:48] <jaco^> anyway hoary was stable also in the first stage of development
[02:48] <tevaum> jaco^: ok.. but libc and gcc are'n completely up! take care...
[02:49] <Echylo> lunitik, it booted
[02:49] <lunitik> justinf: hoary uses 2.6.10-4 ... which is perfectly fine... breezy uses 2.6.10-5, which is b0rked
[02:49] <lunitik> Echylo: for you, not for me  :/
[02:49] <Echylo> well that's what I mean with broken ;)
[02:50] <Echylo> it didn't print here, gftp crashed all the time etc
[02:50] <tbird> im using breezy and the 2.6.10-5-386 kernel and i have had no problems
[02:50] <Echylo> not that much errors
[02:50] <Echylo> the 386 works
[02:50] <Echylo> the 686 didn't worked here
[02:50] <lunitik> tbird: that you know of maybe...
[02:50] <justinf> ah ha... must be something else so.  darn - anyone know to disable tap-to-click on a trackpad? its not obvious how to do it in gnome..
[02:50] <dave__> lunitik im the package mananger and i go to setting srepositories and then i see no universe thing?!
[02:50] <emilie> Havok_: It gave me an error while trying to convert
[02:50] <lunitik> Echylo: 386 is what I'm using...
[02:50] <tbird> lunitik, well everything i do works so im happy
[02:50] <abloylas> Could somebody help me play asf stream in firefox? What codecs do I need?
[02:50] <Echylo> tbird, gl :)
[02:51] <emilie> havok_:made the ps anyway though... can't print it...
[02:51] <tbird> breezy really dont have that many major changes from hoary
[02:51] <Echylo> tbird
[02:51] <justinf> abloylas - try searching on synaptic for "asf"
[02:51] <Echylo> it just started
[02:51] <emilie> Havok_:made the ps anyway though... can't print it...
[02:51] <lunitik> Echylo: bah... just click the second entry (first is cdrom) and add 'universe' to the end of the Sections line
[02:51] <Echylo> ?
[02:51] <lunitik> dave__: ^^
[02:52] <lunitik> Echylo: sorry
[02:52] <Echylo> oh :)
[02:52] <abloylas> justinf, nothing relevant there
[02:52] <jazon> good morning
[02:52] <Echylo> gmorning
[02:52] <tbird> well  ill run breezy till it becomes stable or it breaks
[02:52] <lunitik> abloylas: umm... w32codecs doesn't support that?
[02:52] <tbird> whichever comes first
[02:52] <Echylo> and what will you do then tbird?
[02:52] <Echylo> if it breaks
[02:52] <tbird> what would anyone do
[02:52] <tevaum> jaco^: yeap, but gcc3.3 was already ok.. :P
[02:53] <abloylas> lunitik, apparently not. i have that and no cigar
[02:53] <Echylo> I had to reinstall ;)
[02:53] <Echylo> anyway
[02:53] <lunitik> abloylas: heh... I've never even see an asf stream... so can't speak from experience  :(
[02:53] <tbird> you boot up with a gentoo cd (has to be good for something) chmod and fix it
[02:53] <jazon> I have a problem... After reformatting my external USB NTFS drive with a FAT32 filesystem using QTParted, the drive works beautifully with UBUNT.... it does not work at all on anyone's windows machines anymore.... what the heck did I do wrong?
[02:53] <lunitik> abloylas: try the 'all' pack from mplayerhq.hu  though
[02:54] <abloylas> lunitik, i want to play the streams on http://www.webtelek.com/tv.php?
[02:54] <dave__> thanks lunitik its downloading some stuff now is that right?
[02:54] <dade`> hi all
[02:54] <justinf> abloylas - try mplayer and grab all the codecs for it
[02:54] <dade`> who installed ubuntu-ppc hoary on external fw disk ?
[02:55] <Havok_> emilie: it's strange that your printer doesn'taccept the postscript files, can we do one more test
[02:55] <dade`> there's no way, ater partitioning it say it's unable to mount root / partition
[02:55] <lunitik> justinf: mplayer and xine can all play those codecs ... they are not specific  :/
[02:55] <lunitik> justinf: totem-xine fits in better with Ubuntu though... so it is a better choice here
[02:55] <emilie> Havok_:ofcourse
[02:56] <lunitik> justinf: then, for the same reason, I dislike xmms, but many seem to like that too  :/
[02:56] <abloylas> justinf, what mplayer files should i get?
[02:56] <lunitik> abloylas: don't get mplayer
[02:56] <emilie> Havok_: What do you want me to do?
[02:56] <Havok_> emilie: first let's clear the printer queue "cancel -a" then lets try to print a simple page "echo hello | a2ps -o | lpr"
[02:56] <lunitik> abloylas: you already have totem-xine installed?
[02:56] <abloylas> can anybody play the streams on http://www.webtelek.com/tv.php?
[02:57] <abloylas> i have totem-xine
[02:57] <RealKillaz> hey ubuntu!!
[02:57] <jazon> I am using the external drive as a removable drive with UBUNTU - I have an HP m10n Media Center PC.  After making the drive FAT32 however, windows won't 'mount' it
[02:57] <RealKillaz> whuzzup?!?
[02:57] <dave__> right so wifi pcmcia cards, ive got a belkin F5D7010, (broadcom chipset) how do i get that working?
[02:57] <lunitik> abloylas: no... but I'm not using the 'all' pack at mplayerhq.hu ...
[02:57] <emilie> Havok_: lpr: stdin is empty, so no job has been sent.
[02:57] <jazon> ughhhhhh HPm1080n*
[02:57] <lunitik> abloylas: just get that, extract contents, and throw them into /usr/lib/win32 and try to view them again
[02:58] <emilie> Havok_: It complains about arguments too
[02:58] <abloylas> lunitik, should i get the 'all' pack but not mplayer??
[02:58] <lunitik> abloylas: correct...
[02:58] <Havok_> emilie: sorry missed out a dash "echo hello | a2ps -o - | lpr -r"
[02:58] <lunitik> abloylas: w32codecs is the 'essential' pack
[02:59] <abloylas> lunitik, will try that, thanks
[02:59] <abloylas> i have w32codecs already
[02:59] <blueprism> Could someone point me to what i am missing i have installed ubuntu 5.04 and just attempted to build 2.6.10 on my laptop all compile goes without any flaws but when i have added it to lilo and attempt to reboot, and then selecting the new kernel in the lilo prompt it stops at : Uncompressing Linux... Ok, booting the kernel.
[03:00] <mishof> Q: how can i make a shell script to be an executable ? (so that if i put it in a /bin folder i will later be able to call it from anywhere) ?
[03:00] <klaas> mishof: Yes you can.
[03:00] <mishof> klaas, how?
[03:00] <klaas> At the first line of your script add: #/bin/bash
[03:00] <mishof> thats it ?
[03:01] <emilie> Havok_: That worked great
[03:01] <justinf> mishof chmod it to make it executable
[03:01] <ssam> mishof, chmod u+x filename.sh
[03:01] <klaas> Or the program that should interpret the script, and chmod 755 yourscript.sh
[03:01] <Havok_> emilie: ah, good, so it's got a nice grey title bar with the filename?
[03:01] <mishof> thanks
[03:02] <lunitik> bluefoxicy: you could have missed many things... kinda hard to help you compiling a kernel from IRC  :/
[03:02] <tombs> hi ppl
[03:02] <emilie> Havok_: Yeah... something like that
[03:02] <klaas> mishof: You might want to put the script in /home/youruser/bin, or /usr/local/bin to keep it separated from other programs.
[03:02] <mishof> klaas, its in /usr/local/bin
[03:02] <lunitik> Havok_: are the famous gnome hacker? or just a fan  :P
[03:02] <Havok_> emilie: then can you find the ps file that was made before and try "lpr -r fo.ps"
[03:03] <eee> are the developers of ubuntu here?
[03:03] <Havok_> lucychili: no not me :) this was my gaming nick for about 10 years though :)
[03:03] <mishof> works, thanks guys :)
[03:03] <lunitik> eee: some are on and off...
[03:03] <Havok_> lunitik: no not me :) this was my gaming nick for about 10 years though :)
[03:03] <lunitik> Havok_: ;)
[03:03] <klaas> mishof: sorry, it has to be: #!/bin/bash
[03:04] <lunitik> eee: what do you need?
[03:04] <eee> nothing special, i just wanted to ask :D
[03:04] <klaas> forgot the exclamation mark.
[03:04] <justinf> eee - we are all developers of ubuntu - including you.
[03:04] <mishof> klaas, it worked anyway :O
[03:04] <Plexys> hi, i'm currently using Ubuntu with gnome but i want to install KDE. how do i do this?
[03:05] <Burgundavia> Plexys, install kubuntu-desktop
[03:05] <lunitik> justinf: strange way to look at it...
[03:05] <eee> bye! cya
[03:05] <emilie> Havok_:nothing so far... Waiting patiently
[03:05] <Plexys> that's all, burgundavia?
[03:05] <lunitik> justinf: filing bugs helps developers... but it hardly qualifies you as one...
[03:05] <klaas> mishof: It's called the shebang, and can be used for allmost any script language. for instance if you have a perl script, you would put in: #!/usr/bin/perl
[03:06] <dave__> just a question, do usb pen drives work under ubuntu and if i plug my camera in, will it work or do i need more packages?
[03:06] <klaas> dave__: have you tried?
[03:06] <lunitik> dave__: they should Just Work (tm)  ... only way to find out is to try though  ;)
[03:06] <Havok_> emilie: I hope at least the data light on the printer is blinking
[03:07] <lunitik> dave__: my digital camera has Just Worked everywhere I've used it though for a while
[03:07] <justinf> Plexys - look at www.kubuntu.org
[03:07] <RealKillaz> guys I hope you can help me.. I want to connect to a windows folder with smbclient but I'm getting this error: samba session setup failed  NT STATUS LOGON FAILURE
[03:07] <dave__> aye just reading that ubuntu guide and trying to install messenger... :) oh good will be trying that one later then
[03:07] <RealKillaz> I shared the folder on the windows box by everyone..
[03:07] <lunitik> dave__: you already have a messenger that supports AIM ICQ Y! MSN and a few others  ;)
[03:08] <RealKillaz> and now I'm checking the files shared on the service with smbclient -L killabeast
[03:08] <klaas> RealKillaz: What's your mount command.
[03:08] <emilie> Havok_: I think it did shortly
[03:08] <RealKillaz> but then I get the error... above
[03:08] <dave__> oh right doh whats it called
[03:08] <RealKillaz> klaas: I'm just using smbclient -L killabeast
[03:08] <lunitik> dave__: Applications > Internet > Gaim Internet Messenger
[03:08] <RealKillaz> to test the service
[03:09] <dave__> as i said im new and a bit dumb to it all
[03:09] <lunitik> dave__: came to the right place for help though  :)
[03:09] <klaas> RealKillaz: Try # mount -t smbfs //yourserver/yourshare /mnt/yourmountpoint -o "username=user,password=pwd,workgroup=whatever,ip=serverip"
[03:10] <MFKR> Gah ~
[03:10] <emilie> Havok_: i just tried again. It did blink but no print...
[03:10] <Havok_> emilie: it's possible that the error in pdf2ps caused it not to print, you could try printing to a file with xpdf to see if that works
[03:10] <klaas> RealKillaz: If it start whining, try: "# apt-get install smbfs" and retry.
[03:10] <MFKR> I'm having a little trouble here.
[03:10] <RealKillaz> klaas: ok
[03:10] <MFKR> Seems like my openGL drivers aren't enable, even though the card and the driver does support it. Any clues on how to make it happen?
[03:11] <dave__> cool it works i like ubuntu, trying to get gentoo working was too hard for me got so far and couldnt get my mouse to work under X
[03:11] <Burgundavia> MFKR, you have an ati. Do you also have nforce2?
[03:11] <MFKR> Yes.
[03:12] <lunitik> dave__: Gentoo is definitly not the place to start your Linux experience... takes you back about 10 years to how you used to have to install  :/
[03:12] <Burgundavia> MFKR, read the thing on binarydriver about the apgart thing
[03:12] <lunitik> dave__: well, not quite as bad as it was back then... but not far off...
[03:12] <klaas> MFKR: apt-get install nvidia-glx
[03:12] <RealKillaz> klaas: mount data version is not supported..
[03:12] <lunitik> dave__: whoever recommended Gentoo to you, you should personally strangle  ;)
[03:12] <RealKillaz> klaas: is that whinning?
[03:12] <justinf> lunitik - he he ... installed it myself last week... what a pain. interesting though.
[03:12] <Burgundavia> klaas, he has an ati chip
[03:12] <RealKillaz> klaas: ;-)
[03:13] <emilie> Havok_: It actually works!!
[03:13] <klaas> RealKillaz: have you installed smbfs: "# apt-get install smbfs"
[03:13] <MFKR> Burgundavia: What's the URL again? I forgot to bookmark it.
[03:13] <Havok_> emilie: it's printing?
[03:13] <lunitik> justinf: I installed it.. got everything working... decided I wanted to try the unstable branch... one emerge -u world, and the thing died  :(
[03:13] <klaas> Bugundavia: Sorry..
[03:13] <emilie> Havok_: It is printing...!
[03:13] <Burgundavia> MFKR, www.ubuntu.com/wiki/BinaryDriverHowTo
[03:14] <dave__> it all started with suse 6.0, then mandrake nd other ones but never had the hardware to actually keep it working, needed windows to work on but now have many computers so decided to put linux on my laptop dual booting with win
[03:14] <lunitik> justinf: took about a week... 950 Duron... not fun
[03:14] <MFKR> Thanks.
[03:14] <RealKillaz> klaas: it's working...
[03:14] <RealKillaz> klaas: great!
[03:14] <hua> i have add root passwd , but when i enter root terminal it only need my common usr passwd. i feel it's not safe.
[03:14] <Havok_> emilie: cool, sorry that it was an around-the-world solution :)
[03:14] <justinf> lunitik - errrgh.  i spent 36 hours compiling KDE and got everything working over 3 days. and then i thought - whats the point? so i just installed ubuntu on that box.
[03:14] <RealKillaz> lemme go and read that smbfs thing
[03:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> how do i make a symbolic link?
[03:15] <lunitik> justinf: I still don't understand the 'great platform to learn on' argument though... what does typing 'emerge foo' teach you?
[03:15] <dave__> right so wifi pcmcia cards, ive got a belkin F5D7010, (broadcom chipset) how do i get that working? do i need different packages?
[03:15] <propagandhi> ln -sf
[03:15] <emilie> Havok_: Can I make it easyer for myself in the future somehow?
[03:15] <Burgundavia> Kamping_Kaiser, ln -s from to
[03:15] <andrek> anyone had problems with ubuntu and firewire?
[03:15] <propagandhi> or just ln -s
[03:15] <andrek> oops
[03:15] <dave__> i heard broadcom havent been forthcoming with the driver code
[03:15] <ups> Kamping_Kaiser: ln -s /path/to/target /path/linkname
[03:15] <Havok_> emilie: I don't know enough about ubuntu to say why it doesn't work out of the box, but at least you know it's not a problem with your printer, maybe you can change the driver to a generic postscript driver
[03:15] <zxc> How do I install eterm, I've got in off synaptic but I can't find how to open it?
[03:15] <andrek> i don't know how i made that firewire
[03:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> thanks
[03:15] <andrek> anyone here ever had problems with ubuntu and limewire?
[03:16] <lunitik> andrek: nope... but mainly cuz I don't steal music  ;)
[03:16] <justinf> lunitik - he he... i found that you can follow all the instructions with gentoo... even if you dont have a clue what all the instructions are about... dont understand the great-to-learn-on argument either.
[03:16] <klaas> RealKillaz: You also might want to check out the manpage for smbfs: "# man mount.smbfs"
[03:16] <propagandhi> yeah Limewire is no good on ubuntu
[03:16] <propagandhi> get apollon and the giFT libraries
[03:16] <joh> Hey, anyone know of any graphical password changer for GNOME/Ubuntu ?
[03:17] <csturm> hey guys! did anyone here try to run luminocity?
[03:17] <dave__> also another question am i able to print to a printer attatched to my windows box via my eth conn?
[03:17] <emilie> Havok_: Yeah I'll tjeck it out later though... Have to get on with other business, thanx for supporting.
[03:17] <propagandhi> it can connect to gnutella, kazaa the open napster network thingy etc
[03:17] <Havok_> emilie: I think one problem is that lpr works but lp doesnt, I think that if this problem is solved you would probably be able to print directly (lpr prints directly, whils lp is the print queue)
[03:17] <Havok_> emilie: no problem
[03:17] <darkaudit> propagandhi: I take it you found the FastTrack and Ares plugins on the cerkinfo repository? :)
[03:17] <propagandhi> yeah
[03:17] <propagandhi> just couldnt think of more at the time
[03:17] <Bromius> hey, I have a q re the package manager on a new install.  Asks for password.  no idea what that could be.
[03:18] <klaas> Does anybody have experience with Samsung Yepp devices in ubuntu (or linux general)?
[03:18] <mkulke> hello
[03:18] <klaas> Mine not detected..
[03:18] <justinf> joh -> users and groups , under System -> Administration
[03:19] <klaas> mkulke: Hi
[03:19] <darkaudit> sometimes the searches will overload apollon, and nothing else I click on will be added to the transfer list... I have to quit and restart
[03:19] <Plexys> does anyone know how i can grant myself access to copy files into locked directories?
[03:19] <mkulke> i try to activate apm support but in 5.04, is this possible at all?
[03:19] <mkulke> the apm module doesn't seem to be present
[03:19] <darkaudit> Plexys: how 'bout sudo nautilus
[03:20] <Plexys> o, i see. thank you darkaudit
[03:20] <klaas> mkulke: I'm not experienced with apm, doesn't acpi serve the same purposes?
[03:21] <jaco^> a graphical tool to import fonts?
[03:21] <mkulke> klaas: not really, acpi is buggy as hell and won't do anything on this machine
[03:21] <dave__> also another question am i able to print to a printer attatched to my windows box via my eth conn?
[03:22] <mkulke> i had suse installed before and apm worked quite well
[03:22] <mkulke> now i even lack information about how much the battery is charged :/
[03:22] <lunitik> jaco^: drag them to fonts:// in nautilus
[03:22] <\sh> dave__: try cups :)
[03:22] <Bromius> also, is there anything like the old Xconfigurator command?  My mouse is not working, was wondering how to force it to look for it.
[03:23] <mkulke> running apmd says "No APM support in kernel"
[03:23] <hua> need i install a antivirus soft in ubuntu?
[03:23] <jaco^> tnks lunitik
[03:23] <lunitik> hua: not really
[03:23] <klaas> mkulke: I haven't had any problems with acpi, just: "# modprobe battery"
[03:24] <dave__> oh what the hibernate thing instead of shutting down i click that but the laptop remains on, how do i 'resume' from that?
[03:24] <eruin> bluefish: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libaspell.so.15: undefined symbol: _Znwj   <--- what package should a bug like this be submitted to?
[03:24] <boniato> hello, i needed to reinstall wxp for other users of my computer, and it overwrites the grub. How can i restore it_ i tried with grub-install, but looks like it can't change mbr, only disks partitions
[03:24] <GNAM> is there a repository with blefish?
[03:25] <GNAM> blue
[03:25] <lunitik> eruin: umm... aspell?
[03:25] <boniato> GNAM, sudo apt-get install bluefish
[03:25] <Plexys> how do i run the elaborate version of nautilus from the command line?
[03:25] <lunitik> GNAM: it is in universe
[03:25] <lunitik> Plexys: the elaborate version?
[03:26] <GNAM> uhm
[03:26] <Plexys> lunitik: never mind, it was nautilus --browser
[03:26] <boniato> how can i reinstall grub in mbr?
[03:26] <lunitik> Plexys: ha
[03:27] <elcu> GNAM: http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[03:27] <tbird> yeah and if ya wont to run nautilus from fluxbox or another wm or de you do nautilus --no-desktop
[03:27] <klaas> boniato: grub-install /dev/hda
[03:27] <boniato> ok, thx
[03:27] <klaas> boniato: or maybe "# dpkg-reconfigure grub"
[03:27] <InitMass> anyone using nicotine?
[03:27] <InitMass> nicotine the soulseek client
[03:28] <klaas> boniato: Check out the manpage first..
[03:28] <vanQ> Hello
[03:28] <boniato> klass, i checked grub-install, but i wasn't able to find how to install it in the grub
[03:28] <boniato> maybe what you say: /dev/hda
[03:29] <vanQ> Where are all the operators? =(
[03:29] <hua> lunitik: thanks. i used to install antivirus firstly after install win-system, is it enough safe without it in linux?
[03:29] <GNAM> ok I found bluefish ;)
[03:29] <Plexys> how come i can't paste my windows .ttf fonts into fonts: ?
[03:29] <klaas> boniato: You can also enter the grub shell: "# grub"
[03:29] <vanQ> Excuse me, but may I ask you a question? Which do you prefer :  Gnome or KDE?
[03:30] <klaas> boniato: then enter "root (hd0,0)" substitute with the target disk.
[03:30] <klaas> biniato: setup (hd0)
[03:31] <boniato> i'll try it, thx
[03:31] <lunitik> vanQ: if you have to ask, you should use GNOME
[03:31] <elcu> boniato: http://ubuntuguide.org/4.10/index.html#restoregrubmenuafterwindowsinstallation
[03:32] <LycoN> Hey
[03:32] <boniato> thanks again :)
[03:32] <LycoN> How can i resize my linux partition and install windows xp?
[03:33] <LycoN> on the same harddrive
[03:33] <lunitik> LycoN: parted
[03:33] <vanQ> lunitik :  I have never used Linux before... but I am not fond of Microsoft or its products, so I'd like to experiment Linux software sometime... the only question remains:  Which distribution and which graphical interface?
[03:33] <vanQ> :)
[03:33] <killeroner> comment dpaquet les paquet install ?
[03:33] <elcu> LycoN: qparted, partition magic clone.
[03:33] <killeroner> qq1 sait je viens d'installer
[03:33] <lunitik> vanQ: install Ubuntu
[03:33] <killeroner> la ubunut
[03:33] <LycoN> qparted?
[03:33] <blueprism> Is there any place where there would be a nice guide to setup xorg with window managers
[03:33] <LycoN> ok
[03:33] <blueprism> ?
[03:33] <ups> vanQ: you can try ubuntu with the default GNOME
[03:33] <vanQ> I know nothing of Linux so far, so I appologize for my lack of knowledge
[03:33] <vanQ> Thank you.
[03:33] <lunitik> LycoN: no... gparted would be a better choice
[03:34] <LycoN> ok
[03:34] <killeroner> I want install emule
[03:34] <killeroner> but i don't know howw you do
[03:34] <lunitik> elcu: don't recommend qt apps in my presence... thanks  :P
[03:34] <GNAM> no, kate is better than bluefish
[03:34] <killeroner> ya t'il des franais ?
[03:34] <ssam> if you install a new window manager with apt or synaptic, it will be added to your session menu in the login screen
[03:34] <LycoN> lunitik: is it easy to use?
[03:34] <lunitik> LycoN: I think so, yes
[03:35] <elcu> lunitik: i'm a relative noob, what's so bad about them?
[03:35] <ssam> is kate any better than gedit?
[03:35] <killeroner> can you help me?
[03:35] <exalted> hi there
[03:35] <killeroner> poeple can i help me?
[03:35] <exalted> What id i remove "ubuntu-desktop" package?
[03:35] <exalted> id 0 if
[03:35] <ssam> whats up killeroner
[03:36] <demha-x86_64> hey guys
[03:36] <elcu> exalted: what are you trying to do?
[03:36] <GNAM> yes ssam
[03:36] <lunitik> elcu: take forever to load on a GNOME desktop... look out of place
[03:36] <GNAM> kate is better than gedit
[03:36] <killeroner> i want install emule
[03:36] <killeroner> it's easy?
[03:36] <exalted> elcu, to remove some other packages it obligates me to remove ubuntu-desktop package
[03:36] <ssam> gnam, in what ways
[03:36] <exalted> elcu, so i have to remove i think
[03:36] <GNAM> i'm using ubuntu but i've installed kubuntu-desktop, to have kate
[03:36] <demha-x86_64> anyone know any easy way to pick to show only a specific collumn of output ? e.g ps -aux  and i only want to show the 3rd column ?
[03:36] <killeroner> ssam
[03:36] <killeroner> i have got gnome
[03:36] <lunitik> elcu: gparted and qparted are functionally and visually simular... but gparted is GNOME... so a better choice for Ubuntu users
[03:36] <GNAM> try yourself ;)
[03:37] <GNAM> my english is not so good to explain
[03:37] <GNAM> ;)
[03:37] <elcu> exalted: i don't think there's anything to worry about.  i removed totem-gstreamer for totem-xxine and it prompted me to remove ubuntu-desktop.  i did so.  no problems.
[03:37] <tbird> qtparted is nice too
[03:37] <elcu> lunitik: goodo
[03:37] <ssam> killeroner, i have not used emule, is it a peer 2 peer download thingy
[03:37] <killeroner> i want dpaqueter emule pazquets
[03:37] <exalted> elcu, it says: t is safe to remove this package if some of the desktop system
[03:37] <exalted> packages are not desired.  However, it is recommended that you keep
[03:37] <exalted> it installed, because it is used to carry out certain upgrade
[03:37] <exalted> transitions (such as adding new packages to the system).
[03:37] <killeroner> yes ok
[03:37] <killeroner> but i want install aad aware
[03:38] <mishof> is "#" a note in a shell script ?
[03:38] <killeroner> how do they do?
[03:38] <wezzer> it is not needed in linux
[03:38] <lunitik> elcu: not smart... ubuntu-desktop depends totem ... which depends either -gstreamer or -xine... so just apt-get install totem-xine would have been enough, no need to remove ubuntu-desktop, which makes upgrades easier
[03:38] <elcu> exalted: i'm not sure then.
[03:38] <ssam> killeroner, you could try gtk-gnutella
[03:38] <zxc> I just tried to put compositing on and now my ubuntu won't boot and is all screwy. Help :(
[03:38] <exalted> elcu, i think that's a virtual package to hold together all the components of the ubuntu  desktop (gnome in this case), i think this is default, and not obligate..
[03:38] <mishof> Q: whats the symbol to make a comment in a shell script ?
[03:38] <hua> i have a 40g hd , i want to install ubuntu at the end 8g of it , can it?
[03:38] <ssam> mishof, yes # for comments
[03:39] <mishof> ssam, k thanks
[03:39] <lunitik> elcu: the totem-gstreamer dep was an issue of mine during the warty release cycle...
[03:39] <killeroner> what is this?
[03:39] <exalted> lunitik, what do you intend saying "easy updates"?
[03:39] <ssam> killeroner, its a peer to peer downloader for linux, if that is what you want
[03:39] <zxc> how can I remove my settings purely in command line as I won't be able to use gedit
[03:39] <elcu> exalted: i'm running gnome tight now, and i don't have ubuntu-desktop installed.
[03:39] <lunitik> exalted: keeps track of what should be installed etc
[03:39] <elcu> s/tight/right
[03:39] <killeroner> so i do a apt-get install gtk-gnutella
[03:40] <killeroner> and go it's that,
[03:40] <elcu> lunitik: ah, so you recommend i install it again?
[03:40] <ssam> zxc, use nano
[03:40] <zxc> ssam how?
[03:40] <exalted> lunitik, i was thinking that apt-get get rid of these kind of problems, am i right?
[03:40] <lunitik> elcu: if you're using hoary now... yes... shouldn't effect totem-xine though
[03:40] <ssam> zxc is it to change the xorg conf
[03:40] <elcu> lunitik: i'm still running warty
[03:40] <zxc> ssam, yes
[03:41] <ssam> zxc, 'nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf'
[03:41] <zxc> ssam, should i boot in recovery mode?
[03:41] <lunitik> exalted: it tries... but ubuntu-desktop is there to enable us to track what is being released as the next version etc
[03:41] <killeroner> thanks
[03:41] <lunitik> elcu: ouch
[03:41] <exalted> lunitik, let's say if i don't want evolution, it obligates me to remove ubuntu-desktop
[03:41] <dave__> how do i get my pcmcia wifi card working?
[03:41] <elcu> lunitik: come now, using warty is not *that* bad is it?
[03:41] <ssam> zxc, should work from any terminal
[03:41] <lunitik> exalted: like features they think should be included... also, I use debfoster, so it makes it easier to keep a clean system too...
[03:42] <ssam> zxc, sorry you'll need to but 'sudo' on the front
[03:42] <lunitik> elcu: I dislike using old software... I guess if you don't mind that, its not so bad
[03:42] <lunitik> elcu: technically, you will still get updates for a year  :/
[03:42] <zxc> ssam, how do I save in nano?
[03:42] <exalted> lunitik, so this ubuntu-desktop is a virtual package which forms to keep system updated just in the way Ubuntu Team changes it?
[03:42] <klaas> zxc: [CTRL] -[o] 
[03:43] <lunitik> exalted: indeed...
[03:43] <elcu> lunitik: i'm only on dial-up so until my Shipit CD arrives, or i can somehow get someone to burn the ISO, i'm happy with Warty.
[03:43] <exalted> lunitik, i mean, if i remove it, my system will be updated without problems, but not in the way team changes it...
[03:43] <ssam> elcu, where do you live
[03:43] <lunitik> elcu: that works... my situation is rather different  ;)
[03:44] <elcu> ssam: Aus.  according to an op i spoke to, i'll be waiting for up to 10 weeks.
[03:44] <lunitik> exalted: correct...
[03:44] <zxc> klaas, it says "Come on, be reasonable"
[03:44] <exalted> lunitik, thx
[03:44] <klaas> zxc: ??
[03:44] <lunitik> exalted: I like a clean system though... so it makes that easier for me  ;)
[03:44] <ssam> elcu, search for cheap linux cds on google, you should find somewhere that will send you cds for cheap
[03:44] <LycoN> lunitik: do i have to unmount first?
[03:44] <zxc> klaas when I hold ctrl- then enter o as line number it says that
[03:44] <klaas> zxc: Oh, sorry, The possible commands are listed at the bottom.
[03:44] <lunitik> LycoN: unmount what?
[03:45] <mkulke> hmm
[03:45] <zxc> klaas, it doesn''t save "save"
[03:45] <elcu> ssam: yeah, i might check out the uni IT club.  i haven't found an australian site offering ubuntu CDs in my googling.
[03:45] <exalted> lunitik, i see, like i said, there are some software that i don't need, so better to remove it instead of keeping all that garbage
[03:45] <ssam> zxc, did you use sudo
[03:45] <zxc> ssam, it's logged me in as root anyway
[03:46] <jazon> could someone please help me with fdisk and make my external hdd readable by windows machines please?  I cannot quite get it figured out
[03:46] <exalted> jazon, is it formatted?
[03:46] <Unipal> Is it possible to download a deb-package and install  it in ubuntu?
[03:46] <ssam> jazon, have tried gparted
[03:46] <elcu> Unipal: yep, use dpkg --install <package_name>
[03:46] <zxc> is "write out" save?
[03:46] <exalted> Unipal, sure
[03:46] <queuetue> Unipal, Yes, man dpkg ( look for --install)
[03:46] <ssam> zxc, probably
[03:46] <klaas> Unipal: Sure: "#dpkg -i package.deb"
[03:47] <GhostNr1> Any one installed freevo on ubuntu?
[03:47] <jazon> exalted, yes it is....fat32.... for a screen image you can look here.... http://juggywill.servebeer.com/fdisk_info    (it should work)
[03:47] <zxc> it says ^0 write out
[03:47] <elcu> Unipal: you might have issues with dependencies though, so if possible always use the repos.
[03:47] <Unipal> thanks all. I'll try that
[03:47] <zxc> so how do I enter this command ssam?
[03:47] <GhostNr1> I have problem with need python 2.3 but 2.4 are installed
[03:47] <jazon> ssam, no.  what is sthat?
[03:47] <ssam> zxc, ^ means crtl
[03:47] <ssam> jazon, its a graphical partitioner
[03:47] <hua> hello, install ubuntu must change MBR?
[03:48] <exalted> jazon, if you say that is formatted as fat32, Win~ OS should see it, i see nothing to change on the Linux based side
[03:48] <elcu> GhostNr1: you might need to install the python-dev package
[03:48] <jazon> ssam, I used qtparted to change it from ntfs to fat32
[03:48] <klaas> hua: unless you use the expert mode.
[03:48] <GhostNr1> elco > how do I do that?
[03:48] <jazon> exalted, did you look at my link?
[03:48] <queuetue> jazon, qparted converted the disk and the dat aon it from NTFS to Fat32?
[03:49] <jazon> queuetue, no.  i moved all the data off, formatted, then put it back
[03:49] <queuetue> jazon, Why didnt you do it in windows?
[03:49] <exalted> jazon, the terminal window says nothing
[03:50] <queuetue> jazon, exalted is right - your screenshot doesn't really say anything at all.
[03:50] <elcu> GhostNr1: sudo apt-get install python-dev
[03:50] <jazon> queuetue, i removed windows.  I only have ubuntu
[03:50] <hua> klaas: you mean if i use expert mode , i can edit mbr by hand, or it never touch mbr if i want. x
[03:50] <queuetue> jazon, Then why do you careif Windows can see the drive?
[03:50] <schasi> Here, i still have windows
[03:50] <Unipal> I tried to install a deb package, but my machine is a AMD64 while the package is i386. since there is no AMD version, I have look further
[03:50] <jazon> queuetue, exalted -  what would be more informative?
[03:51] <queuetue> jazon, fdisk -l ?
[03:51] <exalted> jazon, it would be nice if you give us a list
[03:51] <GhostNr1> elco > but everything is pointing to 2.4.1 and it need a version below 2.4 to install
[03:51] <exalted> jazon, like queuetue said
[03:51] <klaas> hua: You can choose whether you want to install grub or lilo, and whether or not you'd like to overwrite the mbr.
[03:51] <jazon> queuetue, i need it to be able to work on other peoples computers - thus the reason for it being external.... not much good if it only works on my computer....
[03:51] <klaas> hua: If you choose to install a ubuntu-provided bootloader at all.
[03:52] <queuetue> jazon, And what does windows say when you connect it?
[03:52] <vanQ> does anyone here play Blizzard Entertainment -games on Linux and is it difficult to set up?
[03:52] <Unipal> I am looking for a good alternative for midnight commander or Total commander. does somebody know a solution?
[03:52] <exalted> jazon, "sudo fdisk -l"
[03:52] <jazon> unrecognized device, queuetue
[03:52] <jazon> sudo fdisk -l
[03:52] <GhostNr1> it say "Dependenc: python(<2.4) but 2.4.1-0ubunto2 is to be installed
[03:52] <lunitik> Unipal: you don't want to use Midnight Commander though? 'apt-get install mc'
[03:52] <lunitik> Unipal: it is in Universe
[03:53] <elcu> GhostNr1: so you installed python-dev?
[03:53] <Unipal> I use MC, but it it is old and not that user friendly :-[
[03:53] <GhostNr1> yes
[03:53] <queuetue> jazon, you have a windows problem, not  alinux problem, sound slike.
[03:53] <darkstar> yes I agree
[03:54] <jazon> ok, results in #flood
[03:54] <exalted> jazon, if you have nothing to loose on that ext. drive, ii suggest you to reformat it
[03:54] <Unipal> does somebody use Tuc Commander or Gnome commander?
[03:55] <elcu> GhostNr1: i was wrong.  you just need the older python version: http://freevo.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/doc/SourceDependencies
[03:55] <hua> klaas:If I don't install the ubuntu-bootloader,  can I  boot ubuntu via a floppy? During my installing ubuntu , she never ask me to do a boot floppy.
[03:55] <klaas> hua: You can create a grub boot-floppy, do you have a bootloader installed at this moment?
[03:56] <GhostNr1> elcu > Yes I know that, but how do I make sure it point to 2.3 and not to 2.4.
[03:57] <blueprism> holy crap ubuntu-desktop is a dangerous package to install :X
[03:57] <exalted> bluefoxicy, why is that so?
[03:57] <Echylo> how do you force a cdrom to eject?
[03:57] <elcu> GhostNr1: i'm not quite sure how to downgrade something.  sorry
[03:57] <Echylo> cause it keeps telling me its busy
[03:57] <lunitik> exalted: probably the amount of packages it depends on
[03:57] <exalted> Echylo, "eject"
[03:57] <frank__> right click on the desktop
[03:57] <Echylo> exalted, that doesn't works
[03:57] <GhostNr1> elcu > okej
[03:57] <exalted> lunitik, might be =)
[03:58] <Echylo> exalted, it keeps telling me the device is busy
[03:58] <Echylo> but I need to switch it
[03:58] <hua> klaas: Yes, I have  installed. But I want to install Ubuntu into my another computer which is new than I use now.
[03:58] <lunitik> exalted: depends on about 450MB worth of packages  ;)
[03:58] <elcu> Anyone else know how to downgrade something?
[03:58] <deFrysk> umount /media/cdrom
[03:58] <lunitik> exalted: still... makes administration easier  *shrug(
[03:58] <lunitik> *
[03:58] <deFrysk> then eject
[03:58] <klaas> hua: What runs on that other pc?
[03:58] <exalted> lunitik, =)
[03:58] <jazon> exalted, is this how you want it sent?
[03:58] <Echylo> umount: /media/cdrom0: device is busy
[03:58] <Echylo> umount: /media/cdrom0: device is busy
[03:58] <Echylo> I need to force it
[03:58] <exalted> Echylo, you can force it phisically
[03:58] <frank__> elcu apt-get install package_name=1.4.5
[03:58] <exalted> =)
[03:59] <Echylo> :)
[03:59] <elcu> GhostNr1: there you go :)
[03:59] <lunitik> Echylo: make sure you aren't accessing it... this includes being in the dir
[03:59] <lunitik> Echylo: then try again
[03:59] <elcu> frank__: thanks.
[03:59] <deFrysk> Echylo, got nautilus opened in the cdrom ?
[03:59] <Echylo> It's accessing it, it's installing something, but I need the second CD
[03:59] <hua> klaas: It's WinXP.
[03:59] <exalted> jazon, i'm not sure if i got the file :)
[03:59] <Echylo> it's asking for it
[03:59] <GhostNr1> elcu > thx, I see
[04:00] <klaas> hua: And what's the problem with installing grub on the mbr? You can boot winxp from grub.
[04:00] <frank__> elcu but you need to have a repository with the version you want
[04:00] <jazon> exalted, do i need port forwarding for dcc to work?
[04:00] <exalted> jazon, no idea
[04:00] <lunitik> jazon: umm... yeah
[04:00] <lunitik> jazon: or open the port on the router  :/
[04:01] <klaas> hua: and if you want it to boot windows by default you just alter the "default" in /boot/grub/menu.lst to the zero-based index of the windows entry, which is probably 4.
[04:01] <jazon> exalted,  see if that setting helped
[04:01] <exalted> jazon, it fails
[04:01] <jazon> ok
[04:01] <jazon> i have to see what port to open
[04:02] <hua> klaas: My computer has a feature, it can recover my data when it goes wrong, but it must do without changing mbr.
[04:02] <lunitik> jazon: if you haven't changed anything on the router... port 80 is likely only port open of router
[04:03] <lunitik> hua: good luck getting boot.ini to find Linux partition
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[04:03] <exalted> jazon, failed
[04:03] <vanQ> Excuse me ... but I was just wondering :: Does anyone here play Diablo II : Lord of Destruction on Linux, using some emulator, for example Wine... I've seen screenshots, but I just wondered if someone here could help me with the matter
[04:03] <jazon> crazy computer...... :S
[04:04] <DanglyBits> where can i find some new themes for kubuntu?
[04:04] <klaas> hua: Okay, that explains. Maybe i can create a boot-floppy for you, you won't have to install grub, and you could boot from that. I'm not very experienced with creating grub bootfloppies though.
[04:04] <CB201> is anyone out there running xmame?  I have one quick question
[04:04] <exalted> jazon, which drive we're talkin' about?
[04:05] <lunitik> vanQ: http://www.transgaming.com/
[04:05] <jintxo_> CB201, I run it every once in a while :-) I'm no expert but a quick question might be within my possibliities, heh
[04:05] <jazon> exalted, the 160 gig drive
[04:05] <hua> lunitik: need I copy a file into win?
[04:06] <exalted> jazon, sdb?
[04:06] <lunitik> hua: yesh
[04:06] <dave__> are there any tools that run under linux for backing up dvds? cus then i might put ubuntu on my desktop too
[04:06] <lunitik> yeah*
[04:06] <fitheach> hi everybody. does anybody sucessfully use the evolution/OpenOffice.org integration?
[04:06] <CB201> jintxo_: I want to add a few more games to the driver file
[04:06] <jazon> I was told by someone in #linuxhelp that I could makethis work somehow without erasing the data on the drive, but they wouldn't help me past that.  they actually spent about 30 minutes telling me to figure it out for myself instead of helping me with the command....
[04:07] <exalted> jazon, sdb???
[04:07] <CB201> jintxo_: do you know where I can find the directory for drivers?
[04:07] <jazon> exalted, yes.  same as http://juggywill.servebeer.com/fdisk_info
[04:07] <hua> klaas: another question. It's necessry ubuntu install before 8g.
[04:07] <jintxo_> CB201, within the source? I haven't compiled xmame for a loooooong time :-(
[04:08] <exalted> jazon, as you fdisk says this isn't a FAT drive
[04:08] <klaas> hua: I'm not sure, though i don't think so.
[04:08] <hua> lunitik: which file, need I make it?
[04:08] <lunitik> CB201: dpkg -L xmame ... look for things in /usr/lib
[04:08] <jintxo_> CB201, you'recompiling xmame and want to add support for more games? did I get that right?
[04:08] <exalted> jazon, you = your
[04:08] <lunitik> CB201: might be in /lib too... though I doubt it
[04:08] <lunitik> hua: there are faqs, try googling
[04:09] <CB201> jinxto_: well, every xmame resource I can find out there tells me to look in src/drivers/neogeo.c to edit the file containing drivers for ROMs
[04:09] <CB201> jinxto_: but I can't find it
[04:09] <CB201> jinxto_: anywhere
[04:09] <jazon> exalted, but, qtparted reports it as fat32...... but I do agree with you.  If it were, windows should pick it up in a flash
[04:09] <dave__> how do i get my pcmcia wifi card working? its a belkin F5D7010...
[04:10] <jintxo_> CB201, so they mean you need to edit the source file and recompile. that's quite advanced for a quick question, hehe :-)
[04:10] <exalted> jazon, so you now what to do right? i have no idea about qtpartedi but fdisk no lies =)
[04:10] <DanglyBits> is there a way to get limewire on ubuntu?
[04:10] <jazon> dave__, ndiswrapper ubuntu howto on google.  or you can pay $20 and go to driverloader.com
[04:10] <jintxo_> CB201, that file should be within the source package you download from the xmame site
[04:10] <dave__> ta jazon
[04:10] <hua> klaas: I need your grub-boot floppy. thanks.
[04:11] <CB201> jinxto_: well, I've used emulators like this before, and it's not in the actual source file...and I generally shouldn't have to recompile
[04:11] <jintxo_> DanglyBits, you can download it from their page
[04:11] <klaas> hua: creating it as we speak.
[04:11] <jazon> exalted, well, no, I don't know what to do actually.  apparently there is non-destructive command in fdisk to make the drive dos compatible
[04:11] <lunitik> CB201: just out of curiosity, what are you trying to emulate?
[04:11] <jintxo_> CB201, but they're poniting you to a .c (source) file
[04:11] <jazon> dave__, np.  good luck with that.  wifi can be a challenge
[04:11] <lunitik> CB201: if you say snes, I get to slap you  :P
[04:12] <exalted> jazon, no actually with fdisk there's no way to keep your data, and change formatting; if that's what you want to do.
[04:12] <CB201> lunitik: I'm trying to add metal slug 5 to my list of supported games
[04:12] <CB201> lunitik: I use zsnes for snes ROMs mate
[04:12] <lunitik> CB201: :)
[04:12] <astro76> CB201: you absolutely have to recompile to do what you want, the mame team doesn't enable those games for a reason, namely they still are in arcades making money
[04:13] <DanglyBits> jintxo: which version...other (solaris, os/2, linux) ?
[04:13] <CB201> astro76: gah.  well, I've never recompiled xmame before
[04:13] <astro76> lunitik: NeoGeo arcade system
[04:14] <jintxo_> DanglyBits, um... I would think the linux one...
[04:14] <CB201> that's why I need to edit neogeo.c
[04:14] <lunitik> astro76: haha... still not very enlightened  ;)
[04:15] <DanglyBits> jintxo:is there a howto for it anywhere?
[04:15] <CB201> exactly how do I got about recompiling it? I got it from synaptic originally
[04:15] <jintxo_> CB201, compiling xmame is real easy, give it a go. the readme they provide is excellent
[04:15] <vanQ> Wow... I'm really on a good mood now... guess why?
[04:15] <dave__> jazon where do i get ndiswrapper?
[04:15] <elcu> CB201: out of interest, does zsnes work well for you?  i get really slow framerates using any of the OGL modes.
[04:15] <elcu> could it be because i'
[04:15] <vanQ> I made a big decision :  I am downloading  Ubuntu Live CD at the moment...
[04:15] <vanQ> :)
[04:15] <elcu> i'm not running in 16bit?
[04:16] <vanQ> I'm quite happy now ... I've tested only Knoppix with KDE in the past and didn't like it, because it looked too complicated for me
[04:16] <CB201> elcu: that's probably the problem, zsnes works fine for me
[04:16] <vanQ> Hopefully Ubuntu with Gnome is alot more simple
[04:16] <jintxo_> DanglyBits, I don't know. they have an rpm on their site. you could probably convert it with alien and install it (limewire requires java installed though). That's what I did last time I installed it.
[04:16] <CB201> elcu: you might have better luck with snes9x anyway
[04:17] <elcu> CB201: yeah, i can't exactly change my bitdepth on the fly with the fglrx driver.
[04:17] <CB201> DanglyBits: I actually just installed Limewire on ubuntu yesterday.  maybe I could help?
[04:17] <jintxo_> DanglyBits, alien is a program that takes an rpm file and converts it to a .deb so you can install it using dpkg
[04:18] <DanglyBits> CB201:is that what u did?
[04:18] <acidburn> Hey guys...
[04:18] <CB201> DanglyBits: yes. download the *.RPM file from their site, then run alien
[04:19] <acidburn> I am trying to install programs on root on Ubuntu, but it won't let me, because I don't have administrator's access. No one does on my computer, because that is disabled by default. How can I enable it?
[04:19] <CB201> DanglyBits: I think you might need the -i argument to install it as well as change it to a *.deb file
[04:19] <jintxo_> CB201, for thing to recompile xmame is to have the compiler installed (apt-get install build-essentials) and then download their source package, read the README, which tells you what file to edit to your liking and then run "make". that's the gist of it.
[04:19] <jazon> dave__, see the private message i sent you
[04:20] <CB201> jintxo_: okay...I'll give it a shot
[04:20] <CB201> jintxo_: is the compiler already installed with ubuntu?
[04:21] <boniato> hi, i did all the steps required to restore grub in the hd0, but nothing works: when the computer attempts to access to the MBR, appears the message, "LI", and then stops
[04:21] <jintxo_> CB201, build-esentials is a package that gives you the nasic stuff for compiling
[04:21] <boniato> what i did bad?
[04:21] <jintxo_> s/nasic/basic
[04:21] <astro76> acidburn: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[04:21] <kev0r> Got problem with my proftpd, seems i cannot accept transfers from someone, he keeps getting 425 erro
[04:21] <kev0r> no route to host
[04:22] <hua> lunitik: If I resize my patition, the mbr must be change? thanks.
[04:22] <vanQ> Excuse me
[04:22] <vanQ> I forgot what was the thing you had to do when you put in the cd to change the "language"
[04:22] <vanQ> I mean I live in Finland and I remember that it was something like "lang=fi" or something (keyboard...)
[04:22] <vanQ> Can someone help me? =(
[04:22] <vanQ> Ubuntu Live CD is the subject
[04:23] <boniato>  i did all the steps required to restore grub in the hd0, but nothing works: when the computer attempts to access to the MBR, appears the message, "LI", and then stops. What i did bad?
[04:23] <CB201> jintxo_: okay...sorry for newbie questions, I'm pretty new to Linux and I've never actually compiled anything from source before
[04:23] <jintxo_> CB201, that's fine. I earned a lot trying to compile xmame when I was new to linux. :-)
[04:23] <jintxo_> learned (I wish I would have earned, hehe)
[04:24] <vanQ> heh =)
[04:24] <DanglyBits> CB201:am i going to need java?  if so which flavour?
[04:24] <CB201> DanglyBits: yes, you will need java
[04:25] <tsume_> nobody _needs_ java :)
[04:25] <CB201> DanglyBits: I found a great Ubuntu HOWTO for it the other day, hang on one second
[04:25] <hua> klaas: How do you give me the boot floppy? Is a img or something else?
[04:25] <SeamusLP> CB201:  I think I had to install the official and then set up some symlinks in /usr/bin/
[04:25] <CB201> DanglyBits: have you added multiverse to your repositories?
[04:25] <vnpenguin> hi there, just installed 5.04. The installer never asked me for root password. So now I cant su to root :( Help !
[04:25] <astro76> vnpenguin: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[04:26] <klaas> I'm creating an image for you.
[04:26] <Xappe> vnpenguin: use sudo instead, there is no root account in ubuntu
[04:26] <jintxo_> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#jre
[04:26] <tsume_> I guess the largest problem with ubuntu are the confusing new comers about no root :)
[04:26] <vanQ> hmm
[04:26] <vanQ> That's odd...
[04:26] <vanQ> no root? :O
[04:26] <mishof> How come -> apt-get install mplayer doesnt work ...
[04:27] <tsume_> vanQ: no root :) more secure ;)
[04:27] <vanQ> I know what root means, but that's quite confusing...
[04:27] <vnpenguin> Xappe: so all "root" operations should be used by "sudo command ..." ?
[04:27] <vanQ> umm... but how can you do some big chances if you can't get the root status?
[04:27] <tsume_> vanQ: you use a priveledged program named sudo
[04:27] <mercurus> mishof, mplayer isn't part of the core distribution ... it is legally dubious ... so you need to enable the Marrilat repository
[04:27] <mercurus> see the FAQ, RestrictedFormats
[04:27] <ups> vanQ: remember, sudo does the job of root ;)
[04:27] <Xappe> vnpenguin: yes
[04:27] <dcraven> vanQ, there is root. There is always root. That account is just disabled by default so that I can't ssh into your box and use it.
[04:27] <vnpenguin> Xappe: thnx
[04:27] <Abood> hi all, guys i had just installed the fresh copy of ubuntu on my machine and its installed succsesfully but i have error when i enter the graphical it gives me an error and when i type crtl + alt + f1 its goes well in the shell ?!?!
[04:28] <tbird> apt-get install mplayer-386
[04:28] <mishof> mercurus, i did, i get this: The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[04:28] <mishof>   mplayer-nogui: Depends: libfontconfig1 (>= 2.3.0) but 2.2.3-4ubuntu7 is to be installed
[04:28] <Xappe> vnpenguin: you can get a root shell by using sudo -s
[04:28] <SeamusLP> dcraven:  If that were the reason you could always disable root logins on ssh :P
[04:28] <vnpenguin> Xappe: thnx again for this info :)
[04:28] <tsume_> dcraven: no,... you shouldn't be able to ssh to root in the first place, the root login is disabled by sshd 99.9% of the time
[04:28] <CB201> I think I'm gonna compile with gcc
[04:28] <CB201> hm
[04:28] <tbird> mishof, sudo  apt-get install mplayer-386
[04:28] <dcraven> Alright, alright... I'm trying to help here.. hehe
[04:28] <mercurus> mishof, interesting ... sounds like the repository version has dependencies Ubuntu can't provide ...
[04:29] <tsume_> dcraven: excluding linux distros which have morons behind the developer helms like rh and suse
[04:29] <mercurus> Warty or Hoary ?
[04:29] <mishof> tbird, same results
[04:29] <jintxo_> Abood, you need to reconfigure you're X windows server. there is a command, I tjhink it's "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg". run it from the console shell
[04:29] <Abood> hi all, guys i had just installed the fresh copy of ubuntu on my machine and its installed succsesfully but i have error when i enter the graphical it gives me an error and when i type crtl + alt + f1 its goes well in the shell ?!?! any idea or help plzzzz
[04:29] <DanglyBits> CB201:noobie too...how do i do that?
[04:29] <tsume_> dcraven: *bsd have rootlogin in sshd disabled by default, but there is root
[04:29] <hua> dcraven: you mean you can touch my box via ssh.
[04:29] <Manny> hi
[04:29] <Manny> do you know of any netinst-like ubuntu image?
[04:29] <vanQ> mercurus, isn't the newer version always better? :O  So I'd say Hoary  (don't listen to me, I don't know nothing about Linux...)
[04:29] <CB201> DanglyBits: hmm...hang on
[04:29] <Manny> I mean a stripped-down version, like it is available for debian
[04:29] <tsume_> openbsd is the mothering OSopenssh ;)
[04:29] <dcraven> Oh geez.. Can of worms. I should just shush.
[04:29] <Abood> jintxo: sure i did it man and also not working :S i tried all the resolutions and same thing :(
[04:30] <lunitik> Manny: you can use Debians sarge image, and point it at the Ubuntu archives
[04:30] <dcraven> hua, no I can't. Don't worry.
[04:30] <lunitik> Manny: they use the same installer  :/
[04:30] <darkstar> yes
[04:30] <jintxo_> Abood, dang. what kind of video card you got?
[04:30] <Manny> nice
[04:30] <CB201> DanglyBits: sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:30] <tbird> if i wont to get rig of gnome can i just dpkg -r ubuntu-desktop ?
[04:30] <frank__> I want to copy my whole filesystem / to another partition and boot for there. How do I copy everything?
[04:31] <lunitik> Manny: www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer I think
[04:31] <tbird> i have kubuntu-desktop already
[04:31] <CB201> DanglyBits: to that file, add the following two lines:
[04:31] <darkstar> well?
[04:31] <CB201> DanglyBits: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary multiverse
[04:31] <Abood> jintxo: dude its built in with Dell dimension 2400, its intel 82845G /GE/GL/PE/GV
[04:31] <CB201> DanglyBits: deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary multiverse
[04:31] <CB201> then save the file
[04:32] <Manny> lunitik: I know, thanks
[04:32] <CB201> and execute sudo apt-get update
[04:32] <hua> lunitik: I have try install ubuntu after install sarge basesystem. but she told me gpg key error.
[04:32] <SeamusLP> hua:  You have a firewall up?
[04:32] <Manny> I'm trying to create a ppc/pegasos-compatible mkvmlinuz'ed kernel image
[04:32] <jintxo_> Abood, have you tried using it as a standard VESA card? you won't get 3d, but vesa works on a lot of cards
[04:32] <lunitik> hua: just apt-get update  :/
[04:33] <lunitik> hua: it is fetched during that process with apt 0.6.x
[04:33] <factotum> would editing a new apt.sources file to match hoary, and moving my debian sarge apt.source file to source.old and doing an apt-get dist-upgrade, could that succesfully upgrade me from debian sarge to ubuntu hoary?
[04:33] <Abood> jintxo, no i didnt, i will now but on what resolution i can test it ?, i mean what is the best resolution
[04:33] <lunitik> factotum: yes
[04:33] <SeamusLP> factotum:  I think people have done that before
[04:34] <factotum> lunitik: thanks, i thought i heard about that too, thought i would give it a shot
[04:34] <lunitik> factotum: you'd have to configure /etc/sudoers ... and I'd recommend installing 'ubuntu-base' and 'ubuntu-desktop' though
[04:34] <vanQ> Can someone please help me? When my Ubuntu Live CD download completes, I will burn it to a CD... then when I will play it ... what was the command line I must write in order to make the system understand I'm using a finnish keyboard?
[04:34] <jintxo_> Abood, start at 640x480 and then go up from there
[04:34] <vanQ> it was something like   lang=fi    or something
[04:34] <dcraven> factotum, I did just that, but from sid.
[04:34] <jintxo_> gg
[04:34] <factotum> I have about a 25 minute wait to find out :P
[04:34] <dcraven> factotum, I'd upgrade to sid first.
[04:35] <lunitik> factotum: :)  ... Ubuntu's gksu is patched to use sudo though... so yeah...
[04:35] <vnpenguin> when do startx, I got error "/usr/bin/X11/X No such file ..." ?
[04:35] <factotum> alright
[04:35] <Abood> jintxo_, i will try it and i wish to get works brb to switch os's
[04:36] <hua> SeamusLP: glad to see you. what's you mean?
[04:36] <SeamusLP> hua:  Don't worry about it, I was just curious
[04:37] <lunitik> vnpenguin: hmm... 'sudo apt-get install x-window-system-core'
[04:37] <lunitik> vnpenguin: there is no logical reason that isn't there if that package is installed
[04:37] <vnpenguin> lunitik: thnx, will try it now ;)
[04:37] <CB201> Danglybits? you there?
[04:37] <SeamusLP> vnpenguin:  If it's still not working after that just do /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[04:38] <lunitik> vnpenguin: you'd have to have removed something for that not to be there... it is installed by default
[04:38] <lunitik> SeamusLP: the startx process and the gdm init script are pretty simular  :/
[04:38] <Shufla> hello :)
[04:38] <ogb> CC
[04:38] <SeamusLP> lunitik:  Not exactly.  I have problems with xauth using startx...
[04:40] <cnez0red> moo
[04:40] <lunitik> SeamusLP: $EDITOR /usr/bin/X11/startx  :/
[04:40] <lunitik> (it is a bash script)
[04:40] <SeamusLP> yeah
[04:40] <jazon> queuetue, guess what
[04:41] <Zizzencs> hi! i have some trouble with kdm. all i want to do is to set a plain black background, but i have no success :/ i go administrator, set the wallpaper to one color black and it still uses the picture i do not want
[04:41] <cnez0red> Hey is there an equivelant to glx-gears in ubuntu? I'm not sure my nvidia drivers are configured properly. I keep getting system bottlenecks.
[04:41] <lunitik> Zizzencs: Kubuntu? #kubuntu ... but it is part of the theme, not the actual background
[04:41] <cnez0red> Just opened up my 'putr to make sure the CPU fan hadn't burnt out. That's how serious it's getting.
[04:42] <lunitik> cnez0red: I check such things ~once a month, and clean it etc... if you love your computer, it'll love you back  :P
[04:43] <Zizzencs> lunitik: nah, plain ubuntu with kde apt-get installed. whad do you mean about that background and theme thing?
[04:43] <dcraven> cens0red, glxgears is the Ubuntu equiv to glxgears.
[04:43] <jazon> queuetue, I was able to convert the filesystem using cfdisk then t option then write
[04:43] <zxc_> Can ubuntu install .rpm files?
[04:43] <zxc_> I want to install gimpshop
[04:43] <CB201> zxc_ yes
[04:43] <lunitik> Zizzencs: eh... KDM is now capable of having themes simular to GDM themes (not just a login widget)
[04:43] <CB201> zxc_ use alien
[04:43] <Zizzencs> zxc_: try alien, or you can install rpm
[04:43] <Zizzencs> zxc_: no success guaranteed
[04:44] <dripchip> hi anyone here have vmware installed under ubuntu ?
[04:44] <lunitik> Zizzencs: Kubuntu takes advantage of that by default... has a 'Kubuntu' theme
[04:44] <cnez0red> 4714 frames in 5.0 seconds = 942.800 FPS
[04:44] <cnez0red> is that ok?
[04:44] <Zizzencs> lunitik: then i think i have to find or create a plain black theme :-p
[04:45] <lunitik> Zizzencs: rpm is installed by defualt due to lsb packages
[04:45] <cnez0red> dcraven thanks btw.
[04:45] <Zizzencs> lunitik: i see. never used that feature though :-p
[04:45] <dripchip> cnez0red -> i get 2900 fps with amd64 3500+ and gf 5700
[04:45] <Xappe> cnez0red: 8767 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1753.400 FPS
[04:45] <Xappe>  with my ATI radeon 9600 pro
[04:45] <dcraven> cnez0red, np.
[04:45] <lunitik> Zizzencs: apt-cache show alien ... rpm is a dep  ;)
[04:46] <lunitik> (lsb-core depends alien)
[04:46] <cnez0red> dripchip and Xappe ok. Is that poor enough that I should be getting system bottlenecks?
[04:46] <Zizzencs> lunitik: only lsb-release and lsb-base are a must. lsb and lsb-rpm is not installed by default on my system
[04:46] <elcu> Xappe: weird, i get 5440 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1088.000 FPS on my 9600pro
[04:47] <elcu> i do have a ****load of apps open though.
[04:47] <jazon> thanks to everyone for their help :)
[04:47] <lunitik> Zizzencs: fresh Ubuntu here, lsb-core is installed
[04:48] <lunitik> Zizzencs: dpkg -l lsb-core
[04:48] <Xappe> elcu: maybe number of proc:s and the cpu matters?
[04:48] <Zizzencs> lunitik: it is not installed on my system.
[04:48] <lunitik> Zizzencs: strange
[04:48] <elcu> P4 2.4ghz.  I am using an old mb though, so only get agp4x.
[04:49] <Zizzencs> lunitik: more interesting: E: Package lsb-core has no installation candidate
[04:49] <Zizzencs> lunitik: Package lsb-core is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[04:49] <spiral> hi
[04:49] <lunitik> Zizzencs: heh... I'm running breezy...
[04:50] <lunitik> Zizzencs: ubuntu-desktop depends lsb which depends lsb-core, lsb-graphics, lsb-cxx
[04:50] <Zizzencs> lunitik: i have this line on sources.list: deb http://hu.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-updates main restricted
[04:50] <Zizzencs> lunitik: that seems ok to me.
[04:50] <Xappe> elcu: athlonXP 2500+ barton, agp 8x :)
[04:50] <lunitik> Zizzencs: that is the current stable... I'm running the current devel branch
[04:51] <Zizzencs> lunitik: ahh, i see
[04:51] <darkaudit> hmm... shut down powernowd, but clock is still gaining time...
[04:51] <Zizzencs> lunitik: i wanted to look for instructions on how to upgrade to devel but was too lasy :-p
[04:51] <lunitik> Zizzencs: in hoary, iir, ubuntu-desktop depended rpm directly though
[04:52] <vanQ> Anyone here have the Live CD for Ubuntu Linux?
[04:52] <lunitik> Zizzencs: just change hoary to breezy ... but I wouldn't recommend you do it for at least 4 months
[04:52] <elcu> Xappe: still, it shouldn't be that much lower.  does your CPU go to 100%
[04:52] <Resonant> I've already switched to breezy.
[04:52] <Resonant> I'm <3'ing it.
[04:52] <Resonant> Then again USB-Storage is broken.
[04:52] <lunitik> Resonant: same here... but most would freak about any of the small issues...
[04:52] <Resonant> Yea.
[04:52] <vanQ> I found out that the keyboard language setup is this in Knoppix, when you boot from CD :   knoppix lang=fi    what is the start in ubuntu ?   Is it    "ubuntu lang=fi"  without the quote-marks
[04:52] <vanQ> ?
[04:52] <Zizzencs> lunitik: i'm not afraid of developement software :-p is there a homepage wit ha comprihensive changelog?
[04:53] <Resonant> "zomg aol doesn't wurk? OLOLZ"
[04:53] <SeamusLP> Hey has anyone noticed that gnome is a little crashy?  gnome-panel and nautilus to be specific
[04:53] <Resonant> I haven't.
[04:53] <Amaranth> Zizzencs: The breezy-changes mailing list is probably what you're looking for.
[04:53] <Zizzencs> Amaranth: tnx
[04:53] <Amaranth> SeamusLP: nautilus is 400k lines of undebuggable crap. :P
[04:53] <Xappe> elcu: yes
[04:53] <SeamusLP> Amaranth:  I take it you've tried? heh
[04:54] <lunitik> Zizzencs: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/breezy-changes/2005-April/thread.html
[04:54] <Amaranth> SeamusLP: I've watched other try and fail and bitch and moan. I'm scared to look.
[04:54] <hua> SeamusLP: I see.
[04:54] <promethe> How I can manualy edit GNOME menu?
[04:54] <promethe> Without using menueditr
[04:54] <lunitik> Zizzencs: it only opened like 2-3 days ago... so thats all so far
[04:54] <Amaranth> promethe: What's wrong with my menu editor? :)
[04:54] <zxc_> how do I change the gdm and splash?
[04:55] <promethe> Amaranth it doesn't support another languages than english
[04:55] <Amaranth> promethe: It should....
[04:55] <promethe> Amaranth good piece of software, but it doesn't support polish
[04:55] <SeamusLP> Amaranth:  It's a good file manager, they just need to stop tacking on crap to it and fix the damn bugs
[04:55] <lunitik> Amaranth: still don't get why you did it with gnome-menu-editor being around... but I guess that is your parogative  ;)
[04:55] <Amaranth> Well, it has issues with adding new things to non-english menus.
[04:55] <Zizzencs> lunitik: yep i found that one. too verbose for me though. i will only upgrade when there is something i want to try out i think
[04:55] <Amaranth> lunitik: gnome-menu-editor was pre-0.1 and buggy as hell when I started.
[04:55] <lupusBE> anyone here using anjuta 2 ?
[04:55] <Amaranth> lunitik: The only thing they have over me now is drag-and-drop support, otherwise I think I have more features.
[04:56] <lunitik> Amaranth: you should have gotten involved with that...
[04:56] <promethe> When i'm trying to add something to e.g. cattegory "Dwik i obraz" (sound and Video) it creates independent category in menu
[04:56] <promethe> It's very iritating
[04:56] <promethe> And menueditor don't show anything
[04:56] <promethe> wrong
[04:56] <Amaranth> lunitik: I'm not very good with C and they're trying to get libmenu patched to support editting, which seems to be an uphill battle.
[04:56] <lunitik> Zizzencs: for me, OpenOffice.org2 and Evince being around by default (thus keeping my system clean) is reason enough
[04:57] <promethe> so, any way to do this mannualy?
[04:57] <Amaranth> promethe: Yeah, I actually think that's a gnome-menus bug.
[04:57] <Amaranth> promethe: Sure, the easiest way would probably be to look at another .desktop file and modify a copy of it to be what you want.
[04:58] <Zizzencs> lunitik: i have no need on either one. and though that ooo2 is in stable, too.
[04:58] <elcu> is anyone else not able to play certain DVDs?  i can't get totem to play boogie nights.
[04:58] <Amaranth> You can find .desktop files in /usr/share/applications/ and you want to save yours in ~/.local/share/applications/
[04:58] <lunitik> Zizzencs: ubuntu-desktop in hoary still depends openoffice.org though... so that would be a pita
[04:58] <SeamusLP> elcu:  You have libdvdcss?
[04:58] <lunitik> Irritates the heck out of me to have 2 versions of the same thing installed... and OpenOffice is HUGE!!
[04:58] <Amaranth> lunitik: You can remove ubuntu-desktop.
[04:59] <Amaranth> lunitik: It's just a meta-package, it doesn't actually provide anything of it's own.
[04:59] <elcu> SeamusLP: yep, i can play other ones fine.  just not boogie nights.  the video also has these weird lines whenever there is rapid movement.
[04:59] <lunitik> Amaranth: running an Ubuntu devel branch, you'd have to be a moron to do so  ;)
[04:59] <Zizzencs> lunitik: i see. the good thing is i don't use ubuntu-desktop :-) i usually buid my systems on my own. choose a proper font, etc.
[04:59] <Amaranth> lunitik: Why?
[05:00] <SeamusLP> elcu:  Perhaps you should try a different player?
[05:00] <lunitik> Amaranth: keeps things cleaner...
[05:00] <Amaranth> lunitik: Only if they add new things to ubuntu-desktop...
[05:00] <elcu> SeamusLP: i'll try that.  any recommendation?
[05:00] <SeamusLP> elcu:  It probably won't do the same thing in ogle
[05:00] <Amaranth> lunitik: New as in actually not there before, not upgrades.
[05:00] <lunitik> Amaranth: things change a lot in devel branches... ubuntu-desktop makes it easier to track such things
[05:01] <Amaranth> lunitik: Packages still upgrade just fine without it installed.
[05:01] <shawnh> HI
[05:01] <elcu> SeamusLP: thanks, i'll check that out
[05:01] <promethe> What the helll...
[05:01] <shawnh>  HOW IS EVERYTHIBNG OGING IN HERE
[05:01] <flying> :)
[05:01] <promethe> Deleted, added, it still creating new category
[05:01] <shawnh> what in the hel bobby
[05:01] <Amaranth> lunitik: run apt-get ubuntu-desktop once a week to see if they made it depend on anything new, cancel the install, and get it
[05:01] <elcu> meh, i should know this, but do p4s have mmx support?
[05:01] <promethe> Amaranth is there any file with gnome menu config?
[05:01] <Amaranth> promethe: You need to delete ~/.config/menus/applications.menu
[05:02] <flodine> whats the name of the firewall ubuntu uses
[05:02] <lunitik> Amaranth: bah... if that works for you, go ahead... I use debfoster... and tracking 200 things in there is a pita
[05:02] <Amaranth> lunitik: Hehe, I don't worry about orphaned packages. I've got more HD space then I know what to do with.
[05:02] <lunitik> Amaranth: without debfoster... I got hit hard by the python transition... debfoster made it easier  :/
[05:03] <shawnh> how old are youpeople
[05:03] <Amaranth> shawnh: 18
[05:03] <Zizzencs> shawnh: 23
[05:03] <Amaranth> lunitik: Really? I'm a Python programmer and I still didn't have any problems.
[05:03] <jordanau> shawnh, 20
[05:03] <lunitik> Amaranth: as do I... but still... I'm peticular about such things
[05:03] <shawnh> I turn 30 next friday
[05:03] <jordanau> shawnh, the big 3-0
[05:03] <Zizzencs> why is this debfoster thing useful?
[05:03] <lunitik> Amaranth: transition from 2.3 -> 2.4 was annoying
[05:03] <Zizzencs> never used before
[05:03] <shawnh> any females
[05:03] <^thehatsrule^> lol
[05:03] <Bloody|RLC> ACTION is away:  
[05:03] <shawnh> foster eh
[05:03] <Amaranth> lunitik: I hardly noticed.
[05:03] <lunitik> shawnh: 21
[05:03] <Amaranth> Bloody|RLC: Turn that off.
[05:04] <^thehatsrule^> rofl
[05:04] <Ntr_> hello ppl, is here anobody who can tell what's the problem with /etc/enviroment & finnish-keymap & irc ?
[05:04] <Zizzencs> shawnh: look at channel #sex for pretty girls :-p
[05:04] <shawnh> hehhe
[05:04] <lunitik> Amaranth: you were running the devel branch when 2.4 came in?
[05:04] <shawnh> hehhe
[05:04] <Amaranth> lunitik: Yep.
[05:04] <flodine> whats the name of the firewall ubuntu uses help
[05:04] <jordanau> \join #sex
[05:04] <jordanau> kj
[05:04] <shawnh>  trying to stay away from that dirty cyber sex
[05:04] <jordanau> jk
[05:04] <shawnh> lol
[05:04] <shawnh>  don;t  know what it is
[05:04] <shawnh>  growin more
[05:04] <Amaranth> lunitik: I had exactly one app (bittorent) stop working for 3 days because of it, otherwise it was smooth.
[05:04] <shawnh>  like the real thing
[05:05] <Amaranth> Bloody|RLC: Turn off your away script.
[05:05] <lunitik> Amaranth: ahh... I got a lot of dependency issues... amoungst other things
[05:05] <Amaranth> lunitik: I blame ubuntu-desktop. ;)
[05:05] <dantheman> i just plugged in my ipod and it didn't mount
[05:05] <dantheman> can someone tell me how to do it?
[05:05] <lunitik> Amaranth: ubuntu-desktop didn't depend 2.3 packages
[05:05] <lunitik> they were just still around
[05:06] <lunitik> Amaranth: hence, debfoster clearing them out
[05:06] <Amaranth> lunitik: You cleared them out and that broke things?
[05:06] <Amaranth> lunitik: If so, PEBKAC.
[05:06] <lunitik> Amaranth: no... clearing them out got rid of dependency issues
[05:06] <Amaranth> Oh.
[05:06] <Amaranth> I actually still have all those python 2.3 things installed.
[05:07] <elcu> flodine: don't think there is one installed by default.  but firestarter is recommended in the ubuntu giude.
[05:07] <robl^> does anyone know wher eI can get current ubuntu-friendly mono1.1.6 pkgs?
[05:07] <lunitik> robl^: it is in Universe
[05:07] <Amaranth> I keep telling myself I'm going to make PyMusique work on 2.3 (I think it might already) but I never do it.
[05:07] <Amaranth> robl^: You can't.
[05:07] <jazon> l8r peeps - thanks!
[05:07] <robl^> lunitik, universe has an old version.
[05:07] <lunitik> Amaranth: why would you bother? 2.3 is old now  :/
[05:07] <Amaranth> lunitik: Because people email me and bitch.
[05:08] <Levander> What's the name of the X-Windows application used to adjust the position of my screen on my monitor?  Adjust it left and right, up and down.  I don't want to use the monitor controls, because I share this monitor via KVM switch with an XP box.
[05:08] <lunitik> Amaranth: everyone that bitches at me via e-mail gets added to various spam lists
[05:08] <Amaranth> Ubuntu has Mono 1.0.5 in breezy, I think hoary had 1.0.4. Debian experimental has 1.1.6 iirc so expect Ubuntu to get them.
[05:08] <dantheman> can anyone tell me why gtkpod might not detect my ipod?
[05:08] <yahalom> can someone tell me why my ubuntu doesnt have an /etc/X11/Sessions file???
[05:08] <dantheman> i plugged it in, and it gets mounted
[05:09] <dantheman> but when i hit sync in gtkpod, it says it needs the ipod directory structure
[05:09] <Amaranth> yahalom: You mean /etc/X11/Xsession?
[05:10] <yahalom> Amaranth, is that it? is that where i can see my gnone and xfce?
[05:11] <lunitik> dantheman: try using Rhythmbox.. it apparently can access ipod's ... never used it though
[05:11] <Amaranth> yahalom: What do you want to do with them? gdm will let you choose which one to load.
[05:11] <elcu> SeamusLP: sweet! ogle can play it.
[05:12] <elcu> SeamusLP: what an ugly interface though.
[05:12] <yahalom> Amaranth, i have xfce twice in my gdm and i want to see that enlightenment is in my sessions
[05:12] <SeamusLP> elcu:  Yeah tha'ts the downside
[05:12] <SeamusLP> elcu:  Totem works for most DVDs but sometimes you just need an app that was designed to play dvds
[05:13] <elcu> SeamusLP: got ya.  what about xine and mplayer?
[05:13] <CheeseBall> does anyone know where the ubuntu kernel is located
[05:13] <SeamusLP> elcu:  I'm using Totem with a xine backend, never mess with mplayer.
[05:13] <lunitik> elcu: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats tells you how to add DVD support to totem I believe
[05:14] <lunitik> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[05:14] <SeamusLP> lunitik:  He was having trouble with one DVD, not support in general
[05:14] <elcu> lunitik: i already have got that sorted.  totem jsut doesn't seem to play this certain DVD.
[05:14] <elcu> SeamusLP: hmmm, how can i make the picture fill the whole screen in full screen mode?
[05:15] <lunitik> elcu: ahhh... heh
[05:15] <lunitik> SeamusLP: I should follow along once in a while  :P
[05:15] <SeamusLP> elcu:  It's in full screen mode but it's not using the full screen?
[05:15] <elcu> SeamusLP: exactly
[05:16] <elcu> lunitik: i love playind DVDs in linux though.  no region restrictions with my supposed region-enforced drive. =)
[05:16] <Amaranth> xine, gstreamer, vlc, and mplayer all use the same libs for playing DVDs
[05:16] <Amaranth> elcu: Yeah, the software controls region lockout, not the drive.
[05:17] <elcu> SeamusLP: it's like i'm looking through a window in the middle of the screen.
[05:17] <Levander> Nobody remembers the name of the X-Windows application to move the screen's position left or right or up and down on the monitory?
[05:17] <eazel7> hi ppl
[05:17] <eazel7> I've just installed hoary, but the gnome app bar and lots of other things doesn't appear translated
[05:17] <Amaranth> Levander: We call those monitor controls. :) Should have buttons or a little wheel on the front of your monitor.
[05:17] <CheeseBall> does anyone know where the ubuntu kernel is located
[05:17] <elcu> Amaranth: i always thought there was two ways, h/ware *and* s/ware.
[05:17] <eazel7> why?
[05:18] <eazel7> CheeseBall, in /boot
[05:18] <CheeseBall> thanks
[05:18] <Amaranth> CheeseBall: If you don't know where it is you probably shouldn't be messing with it.
[05:18] <SeamusLP> elcu:  It seems like I have that problem when i try to play widescreen dvds
[05:18] <Obsidians> When I try to burn a cd, it says "system too slow" or something. What's wrong?
[05:18] <elcu> SeamusLP: you haven't sorted it out?
[05:18] <Levander> Amaranth: don't want to use monitor controls, I share this monitor with XP via a KVM switch, using the monitor controls will mess up where XP displays its screen
[05:18] <Levander> There's an X-Windows program to do it, I just can't remember the name.
[05:18] <csturm> xvidtune
[05:19] <zenrox> yep xvidtune
[05:19] <Amaranth> Levander: Then set the resolution and refresh rate to be the same on both. If that doesn't make them the same your driver sucks on one platform or the other.
[05:19] <Levander> csturm: that's it!  will xvidtune modify my X windows configuration for me?  After I've decided on a position?
[05:19] <SeamusLP> elcu:  Well I have a widescreen monitor, it doesn't like to use the entire screen on that one.  It does a lot better on my fullscreen monitor.
[05:19] <csturm> levander: i dont think so, i think you need to edit the modelines in xorg.conf
[05:20] <SeamusLP> elcu:  Only happens with widescreen dvds.  I think I can rip it to xvid format and view it perfectly, though.
[05:20] <Amaranth> "THE INCORRECT USE OF THIS PROGRAM CAN DO PERMANENT DAMAGE TO YOUR MONITOR AND/OR VIDEO CARD" <--xvidtune seems real nice....
[05:20] <Levander> csturm: I'm still running Warty and XFree, I suppose the configuration is the same?
[05:20] <csturm> yeah, just different filename
[05:20] <Levander> Okay, gonna try it! Thanks csturm!
[05:20] <Amaranth> I'm guessing xvidtune tweaks refresh rates like the ati tool did for windows. Could be dangerous.
[05:21] <Levander> gotta log off to test something with my IRC client GAIM they told me about in #gaim, but thanks a lot guys!
[05:21] <csturm> cu
[05:21] <elcu> SeamusLP: seems it's supposed to be that way: http://www.dtek.chalmers.se/groups/dvd/faq.shtml (see no. 35)
[05:21] <Levander> Amaranth: so is configuring X-Windows in general....
[05:22] <CheeseBall> hahaha Amaranth
[05:22] <Amaranth> Yeah, it's just tweaking hsync and vsync.
[05:22] <CheeseBall> im just trying to make a restore cd
[05:22] <SeamusLP> elcu:  Well I have the issue with totem-xine as well
[05:22] <CheeseBall> and it asks for the location
[05:23] <CheeseBall> im using mkcd for a restore cd, any other easy one reccommended?
[05:24] <tiggggr> anyone else using rhythmbox as their music player?
[05:25] <credmp> tiggggr, sure
[05:25] <tiggggr> credmp, do you have smooth transitions between tracks?
[05:26] <credmp> tiggggr, define smooth :)
[05:26] <credmp> like cross fading?
[05:26] <MangoFusion> anyone here have an experience with midi setup in ubuntu?
[05:27] <tiggggr> credmp, yeah well not necessarily smooth as in faded, but do you get this "silent -> 0.5s bit of strange noise -> new track starts" sort of thingie? :P
[05:27] <credmp> I have no strange noise
[05:28] <credmp> just track end -> silence switching to new song -> new song
[05:28] <tiggggr> it goes to silent first, and then it plays just a bit from the end of last track, as it would flush buffer or something
[05:28] <tiggggr> could be my ancient cpu tho :P
[05:28] <credmp> tiggggr, which rhythmbox do y ou use... the standard one?
[05:29] <credmp> rhythmbox-gstreamer
[05:29] <credmp> ?
[05:29] <tiggggr> credmp, 0.8.8 that came with ubuntu hoary..so i suppose its standard
[05:29] <credmp> strange... probably something to do with the buffering indeed
[05:29] <credmp> have it with other players as well?
[05:30] <tiggggr> nope, xmms works fine
[05:30] <markuman> some gamers here? ubuntu-gamers meeting - #ubuntu-gaming ;-)
[05:30] <credmp> and if you queue 2 files in totem?
[05:30] <tiggggr> credmp, hmm, i'll try that totem, sec
[05:32] <tiggggr> credmp, works fine with totem
[05:32] <credmp> thats also gstreamer
[05:32] <credmp> so likely just an issue w/rhythmbox
[05:32] <tiggggr> i tried to look for buffer settings in rhythmbox but either they are hidden evry well or i'm blind
[05:32] <promethe_> What i should install to make my ubuntu support iPAQ
[05:32] <tiggggr> credmp, yep, guess so..too bad, i like the itunes media library ripoff ;)
[05:33] <credmp> tiggggr, hehe... yea.... though amarok (KDE based) is also quite nice
[05:33] <credmp> promethe_, did you look on the ubuntu wiki? probably has some info about it
[05:34] <lupusBE> is there someone using breezy?
[05:34] <tiggggr> credmp, cool, i'll check it out
[05:35] <nicole> hallo..ich bin neu hier (und bei ubuntu) ich hab da mal ne frage
[05:35] <nicole> bei mir funktioniert das "at" zeichen nicht auf der tastatur..was kann ich da tun?
[05:35] <credmp> nicole, in english please?
[05:36] <nicole> sry..kann kein english:(
[05:36] <nicole> mom i'll try.
[05:36] <^thehatsrule^> nicole: babelfish.altavista.com
[05:36] <smouche> nicole, try your best
[05:36] <nicole> i have no "at" on my keyboar under ubuntu
[05:36] <busfahrer> nicole, have you tried pressing SHIFT+2?
[05:37] <dcahrakos> ok, I got passed booting the cd using acpi=off, and it does its thing, then it ejects the cd at the end, and reboots, then when it starts up, it does somethings, and when it gets to Starting Hotplug Subsystem it seems to hang.....and doesnt do anything at all..why?
[05:37] <^thehatsrule^> oh, keyboard layout is not US
[05:37] <nicole> ^^
[05:37] <nicole> shift 2 -> "
[05:37] <Alfred1881> is anyone having problems with (k)ubuntu, does it run slow or are there crashes ???
[05:37] <^thehatsrule^> nicole: what keybaord layout do you have?
[05:37] <credmp> nicole: press System -> Preferences -> Keyboard
[05:38] <credmp> and change the setting
[05:38] <promethe_> Mowi to ktos po polsku? (sorry :))
[05:38] <Alfred1881> is anyone having problems with (k)ubuntu, does it run slow or are there crashes ???
[05:38] <unperson> I just upgraded from Warty to Hoardy using synaptic.  I have a few questions:  a) How do I know if my system is now using X.org at boot up?  b) Will there be some old X11 packages I can now remove?  c) Can I remove x-window-system-base?
[05:38] <nicole> Generic 105-key (Intl) PC vGerman
[05:38] <credmp> Alfred1881, asking the same question over and over will not help :)
[05:38] <smouche> Alfred1881, for me, it runs fast, and there are sometimes crashes with the file browser.
[05:38] <Alfred1881> ok :)
[05:39] <jaco^> for me mplayer don't work
[05:39] <nickrud> nicole, could you run sudo dpkg-reconfigure console-common for us, and tell us the output
[05:39] <^thehatsrule^> unperson, you can either see the logs, also youre using Xorg if you see options for transparency
[05:39] <jaco^> and i love ubuntu with gnome
[05:39] <jaco^> kde is unstable for me
[05:39] <credmp> nicole, you can change it to a bunch of different layouts.... give em a try
[05:39] <nicole> of course..one moment
[05:40] <nicole> sudo dpkg-reconfigure console-common
[05:40] <nicole> null symbol found
[05:40] <unperson> ^thehatsrule^:  You mean like look in /var/log/syslog?
[05:41] <csturm> whoa. luminocity roks :)
[05:41] <unperson> ^thehatsrule^:  Any idea what sort of string to look for?
[05:41] <nickrud> nicole: that's all it said??
[05:41] <^thehatsrule^> unperson: i know its in /var/log somewhere
[05:41] <nicole> Looking for keymap to install:
[05:41] <nicole> NONE
[05:41] <nicole> and than what i said
[05:41] <^thehatsrule^> unperson, im not sure bout Xorg, but i guess... xorg.log ? hehe
[05:41] <nicole> nothing more
[05:42] <nickrud> ok, I need to look something up
[05:42] <^thehatsrule^> nicole: maybe download some off the net?
[05:42] <nickrud> while I
[05:42] <nicole> how can i do that?
[05:42] <Superfrog> hi ! is this  a channel where i can ask for ubuntu help ?
[05:42] <nicole> oh mom..i'll try logitech internet keyboard
[05:43] <nicole> must i restart than?
[05:43] <nickrud> 'm doing that that you can try credmp's advice, if you haven't
[05:43] <dcahrakos> anyone know why after initial install, it hangs at starting hotplug subsystem?
[05:43] <jordanau> unperson, your xorg logs are /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[05:43] <unperson> ^thehatsrule^:  Ah, /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[05:43] <unperson> heh
[05:43] <unperson> Yup, it appears X.org is running.
[05:44] <jordanau> unperson, i am pretty sure all hoary is on xorg
[05:44] <nicole> ahhh now..thx all...ALT+GR +Q works with logitech internet keyboard...TYA!
[05:44] <unperson> jordanau:  Yeah, but I upgraded from Warty.  I was trying to figure out if it had made the switch.
[05:45] <Superfrog> my problem is to initialise the ati  9500 pro  in my horay 5.4(?)  i did the wiki with the universe driver , module is runinning,but it always tells me this mesa dirt
[05:47] <jordanau> unperson, i see
[05:47] <jordanau> how do you make mounted devices show up on the desktop?
[05:48] <dantheman> for some reason, my ipod doesn't want to umount...did anyone else have the same problem, or know of a solution?
[05:50] <nickrud> dantheman, does it say the device is busy?
[05:51] <dantheman> nickrud: yes
[05:51] <dantheman> and even when i can unmount it, the ipod still has the "Do not disconnect" on it
[05:52] <nickrud> What that means is some file on the device is still open.
[05:52] <unperson> dantheman:  You're not still using anything (like a nautilus window) that's still reading it are you?
[05:52] <dantheman> nope, and i closed gtkpod
[05:53] <SysFail> if anybody is using kcheckgmail please let me know if you would... It wont keep my password in the config and thus wont log in...anybody had this problem???
[05:53] <unperson> dantheman:  I've had a similar program.  That's some portion of gnome that keeps track of changes to directory contents.  Usually that's the trouble maker.
[05:53] <nickrud> you can try killall nautilus: )
[05:53] <dantheman> unperson: did you manage to fix it?
[05:54] <unperson> dantheman:  There are two commands that can help:  fuser and lsio.  Check out the man pages.
[05:54] <dantheman> alright, thanks
[05:54] <dcahrakos> what causes a hang at starting hotplug subsystem? I just got it to get past the initial install from the cd, but now it hand there
[05:54] <unperson> dantheman:  Those will at least tell you what is accessing the device.
[05:54] <nickrud> Probably 90% of the busy problems are as unperson said.
[05:54] <Tirno> hello all. I've just installed hoary. All is fine (although wifi gives me trouble on occasion). Just one thing: after I boot the computer and login, half the time it freezes. I'm not sure what's happening (although I suspect it may have something to do with wifi)
[05:55] <unperson> dantheman:  Sometimes I had to kill whatever that program was (I don't recall the name).
[05:55] <dantheman> when you unmounted it, did it still show the "Do not disconnect"?
[05:55] <unperson> dantheman:  Sometimes it seemed to take care of itself when I closed the nautilus window.
[05:56] <unperson> dantheman:  Sorry, I wasn't using an iPod.  Just a flash card.
[05:56] <dantheman> oh, alright
[05:56] <unperson> dantheman:  So there was no such warning.
[05:56] <DocUb> Does some have a few mins to help me with the Mozilla FireFox 1.0.3 error on installing
[05:56] <nickrud> unperson: it used to be fam; now it's gamin.
[05:56] <DocUb> someone*
[05:57] <DocUb> gives a Fatal error on opening the xpistub
[05:57] <unperson> dantheman:  Yeah, the thing is that a program may start the monitor (yeah, what nickrud said).  The program is SUPPOSED to kill it when no longer necessary, but apparently some don't.
[05:58] <dantheman> alright...i managed to unmount it, and it seems to work fine
[05:58] <nickrud> gamin seems to do this a lot less often, though
[05:58] <dantheman> now i'll just see if i can mount it again and copy more music to it
[05:59] <Tirno> anyone? why does my ubuntu freeze just after login?
[05:59] <AceMan> Tirno: mine does that after the screensaver comes off
[06:00] <nickrud> Tirno: when it freezes, does control alt backspace do anything?
[06:00] <unperson> Is there any (relatively easy) way to see what packages I have installed from a particular repository?
[06:00] <dcahrakos> does anyone know what causes a hang at starting hotplug subsystem? I just got it to get past the initial install from the cd, but now it hand there
[06:00] <n3> hello
[06:00] <n3> ?
[06:00] <nickrud> unperson: grep-dctrl does that, I think.
[06:01] <n3> Question:
[06:01] <n3> I recently downloaded a movie called THE CODE: Linux
[06:01] <Alfred1881> hey , i want to install Opera in kubuntu , but do i need the Ubuntu-package or the Debian-package or source
[06:01] <n3> It appears to have copyright on it at the end of the film and it seems to be recorded from TV
[06:01] <Choubaka> Alfred1881: ?
[06:01] <Tirno> nickrud: I don't think so. I tried a number of ctrl-alt combinations. I'm on a laptop so the powerdown button works in an almost safe way
[06:02] <Choubaka> just download the .deb file from Opera's site.
[06:02] <n3> I cant seem to find the movie on amazon or anywhere for sale on DVD, is it illegal to use this video for educational purposes?
[06:02] <Alfred1881> but you can choose native
[06:02] <Choubaka> the one which says "Other/debian" or something.
[06:02] <nickrud> Tirno: what kind of laptop?
[06:02] <Choubaka> other (deb) rather.
[06:03] <promethe_> can somebody help me with setting multisync and synce
[06:03] <Tirno> nickrud: acer travelmate 5000, intel centrino
[06:03] <Alfred1881> what is dynamic and static version ?
[06:03] <n3> Hello
[06:03] <n3> GTG
[06:03] <n3> can anyone help with this qustion?
[06:03] <Choubaka> dynamic saves space (and ram in some cases)
[06:03] <Choubaka> but a static deb will work and not depend on anything.
[06:04] <LinuxJones> n3,  Search for the company that it is the copyright holder and check their website
[06:04] <n3> I Did
[06:04] <n3> Its in some other language
[06:04] <n3> Finnish or something
[06:04] <Choubaka> hmm
[06:04] <n3> FINLAND
[06:04] <Choubaka> show me the site?
[06:04] <LinuxJones> n3,  what's the website ?
[06:04] <Choubaka> I'm finnish. :)
[06:04] <n3> Ok
[06:04] <n3> http://svt.se/
[06:04] <n3> cool!
[06:05] <n3> I really hope i can keep the download
[06:05] <tiggggr> svt is swedish
[06:05] <Choubaka> ahh, that's swedish.
[06:05] <Choubaka> I know swedish a bit too
[06:05] <Choubaka> let's see.
[06:05] <n3> I also downloaded REVOLUTION OS but i guess this is illegal?
[06:05] <nickrud> tirno: to avoid some blind alleys, it boots up, gets to the ubuntu login screen, you log in, and it goes black?
[06:05] <n3> I dont want piracy cops shooting me with machine guns
[06:06] <n3> But you cant even buy these dvds in shops where i live
[06:06] <n3> (AFRICA)
[06:06] <Tirno> nickrud:  yes, exactly. The cute "yay isn't ubuntu cool-look how cute it is when gnome loads up"-rectangle doesn't show
[06:06] <promethe_> Huh, can somebody help me with setting multisync
[06:07] <unperson> n3:  Well, the bottom line is that it's illegal unless you have a valid license.  So like LinuxJones said, if it doesn't sa explictly that the rights are granted for reproduction, then you'd best check with the company's literature to see if it's legit.
[06:07] <n3> hmm
[06:07] <n3> Their english section is down!
[06:07] <n3> otherwise i need to destroy some cds
[06:07] <n3> Copy Right SUCKS
[06:08] <Tirno> nickrud: I've been trying a variety of things to get it to login properly. What may have done it this time is that I have a manual button which switches wireless on and off. I switched it off. Not sure whether that's the reason it started working though
[06:08] <n3> why couldnt people just CREATIVE COMMONS everything in lower quality versions then if someone really liked it, when they had the money they could just buy it on dvd then
[06:09] <LinuxJones> n3,  if it's for schooll or a Linux LUG meeting I don't think they would be upset with you using it. Most TV networks don't really care about older programming unless your selling/broadcasting it.
[06:09] <nickrud> Tirno: If you have the time, try with it on/off a couple of times.
[06:09] <EvilIdler> In my country, it seems most educational programming on telly has a default license for school use
[06:10] <Amaranth> n3: If you're somewhere in Africa your laws probably aren't the same as laws in the US.
[06:10] <nickrud> If it's reproduceable, you should ask about this on ubunter-user mailling list.
[06:10] <GhostNr1> How do I point python to point to python 2.3.5 instead of 2.4.1. The force menu in sunaptic package manager is disabled
[06:10] <n3> Is downloading REVOLUTION OS legal?
[06:11] <nickrud> They *like* hard problems :)
[06:11] <Amaranth> GhostNr1: 2.4 is required for hoary, what is breaking with 2.3?
[06:11] <n3> Yes its for school!
[06:11] <tck_> having changed sources to hoary to update&upgrade im still running warty
[06:11] <n3> Im trying to teach computers at a local school
[06:11] <tck_> The following packages have been kept back:
[06:11] <tck_>  etc.. and lists LOTS
[06:11] <Tirno> ok nickrud, I'll do that later. At the moment I'm getting some work done - so I'm rather pleased with it actually running
[06:11] <GhostNr1> Amaranth > I need to install freevo and they only use 2.3
[06:11] <Amaranth> GhostNr1: freevo?
[06:11] <nickrud>  :)
[06:12] <GhostNr1> Amaranth > freevo.sourceforge.net
[06:12] <Amaranth> wow, cool
[06:12] <dantheman> does anyone know what packages i need in order to play music in gtkpod?
[06:12] <JCIE> Hi, how do i configure VNC from the desktop?
[06:12] <GhostNr1> Amaranth > maby I can get it to work via a source install. But it's depends on so many other programs so I whant it to work via the package manager
[06:13] <promethe_> Huh, can somebody help me with setting multisync
[06:13] <LinuxJones> JCIE, vino-preferences
[06:14] <nickrud> promethe_, I like those problems.
[06:14] <Kishu> Hi I am looking for the command to change owner of a directory/file?
[06:14] <nickrud> Kishu: chmod
[06:14] <tck_> has anyone successfully upgraded from warty to hoary ?
[06:15] <jordanau> Kishu, do you need further instructions?
[06:15] <jordanau> tck_, yeah its easy
[06:15] <Amaranth> GhostNr1: hoary has python2.3, their installer sucks
[06:15] <tck_> jordanau, will i changed the sources and update&&upgrade etc..
[06:15] <JCIE> LinuxJones, thanks!
[06:15] <LinuxJones> Kishu, chown user:user /path/to/file you can use the -R to option to do full directories
[06:15] <tck_> it dl over 200mb and then i rebooted, still running warty - its held back LOTS of packages
[06:16] <jordanau> tck_, yeah change sources from warty to hoary, update, dist-upgrade
[06:16] <tck_> ah dist-upgrade
[06:16] <Kishu> Thanks that was the command I was looking for I forgot it
[06:16] <GhostNr1> Amaranth > I have python2.3 installed. But freevo consist saying I must have <2.4 installed
[06:16] <blueprism> is there a website with a basic tutorial of ubuntu install so i dont have to install the ubuntu-desktop package
[06:16] <blueprism> ?
[06:16] <GhostNr1> or it say 2.4 should be installed
[06:16] <Amaranth> GhostNr1: Then depend on the python2.3 package (which would be enough) but stupidly also depend on python (>= 2.3.5) and python (<< 2.4). File a bug report on their sf project page.
[06:16] <jordanau> tck_, read the wiki on upgrading before you do it
[06:17] <nickrud> blueprism: do you want to pick particular programs, or no desktop at all?
[06:17] <GhostNr1> Amaranth > So it's a bug in freevo then?
[06:17] <Amaranth> GhostNr1: Yeah.
[06:17] <freddy> italiani!!!
[06:17] <GhostNr1> Amaranth > thx for the help
[06:18] <Amaranth> GhostNr1: I can help you get it installed still though. :)
[06:18] <GhostNr1> Well I have had it installed but via a source install but it break so I have reinstalled everything
[06:19] <GhostNr1> And hoped I could get it to work via the package manager
[06:19] <jordanau> is there a way to do a minimal ubuntu install?
[06:19] <GhostNr1> Amaranth > I'm not used to package manager, I just switch from some year with slackware :D
[06:19] <jordanau> like no X, less than 100 mb?
[06:19] <jordanau> or should i just use debian for something like that?
[06:20] <tsume_> jordanau: there is an option setting for the install
[06:20] <nickrud> jordanau: the server install
[06:20] <tsume_> jordanau: its in plain view of the installer
[06:20] <dcahrakos> does anyone know what causes a hang at starting hotplug subsystem? I just got it to get past the initial install from the cd, but now it hand there
[06:20] <tsume_> jordanau: you use the regular cd
[06:20] <jordanau> tsume_, great thanks
[06:20] <blueprism> nickrud well i want a xserver setup
[06:20] <blueprism> but not with all that crap in that package
[06:20] <blueprism> hehe
[06:21] <tsume_> jordanau: I believe it says 'please type server' or somesuch
[06:21] <tsume_> jordanau: it will install the minimal amount of programs needed, and you can go with aptitude from there
[06:21] <jordanau> great, i am going to make a digital picture frame this summer on an OLD laptop and wanted to stick to ubuntu if possible
[06:21] <nickrud> blueprism: ok, do a server install, then apt-get install x-window-system, and your favorite window manager.
[06:22] <blueprism> nickrud ah oki but i was wondering what if you want xorg instead?
[06:22] <blueprism> not possible then ?
[06:23] <nickrud> blueprism: that will get xorg :)
[06:23] <blueprism> oh
[06:23] <yuriko> gnome_execute_async_with_env_fds: returning -1
[06:23] <yuriko> what does that mean?
[06:24] <blueprism> Sorry then i come from a debian world
[06:24] <Amaranth> GhostNr1: I'm modifying the package for you.
[06:24] <yuriko> gnome is freezing uop for one user
[06:24] <blueprism> nickrud so i am used to that would install the old x11
[06:24] <GhostNr1> Amaranth > Thx
[06:24] <nickrud> blueprism: debian the last 4 years, and the skills do transfer :)
[06:24] <blueprism> nickrud hehe i used it for aroudn 5 years but i am trying to get used to ubuntu
[06:24] <blueprism> currently trying to get it installed on my laptop
[06:26] <nickrud> blueprism: yeah, there's some differences, but the tools are the same
[06:26] <blueprism> nickrud yeah just installed it last night
[06:26] <blueprism> but im not used to use linux on laptops always did it on servers and firewall etc in many years
[06:26] <blueprism> so that is sort of making a diff, but it should come ahand
[06:26] <markuman> some gamers here? ubuntu-gamers meeting - #ubuntu-gaming ;-)
[06:28] <Amaranth> GhostNr1: Or not, I can't make it back into an archive that dpkg understands. :/
[06:28] <jax> hi, is there a known fix for the debootstrap installation error ?
[06:28] <GhostNr1> Amaranth > okej, :| Maby I should try to get it work with a source build then...
[06:29] <nickrud> blueprism: Use what you're used to, but they've done a nice job on their desktop.
[06:29] <scott> where do I get templates for the Create Document item in the gnome desktop menu?
[06:30] <nickrud> scott: you basically create your own and put them there.
[06:31] <smouche> ugh, that drove me nuts in gnome.
[06:31] <scott> do I just create a blank document in AbiWord and save it as AbiWord.doc and where do I put it?
[06:31] <dcahrakos> cmon, doesnt anyone know what causes a hang at starting hotplug subsystem? I just got it to get past the initial install from the cd, but now it hand there
[06:31] <thechitowncubs> ubuntu is on fire on distrowatch
[06:31] <daveist> is ubuntu faster than kubuntu?
[06:31] <smouche> everyone's mileage varies with that, daveist
[06:32] <jazon> hello again
[06:32] <amiroff> daveist: the base is the same
[06:33] <kippi> hi
[06:33] <amiroff> daveist: you can only judge by using both gnome and kde
[06:33] <nickrud> scott: yes to the first part of your question.
[06:33] <jazon> I don't know what i did, but my panel at the top of my screen is wrong now.  The Applications/Places/System is in the middle of the screen instead of on the left!  any soln for this?
[06:33] <kippi> i am trying to install php and it is saying it can not download the file
[06:33] <stevenj> my GF saw my ubuntu box and now she wants it....hopefully the transition will be smoothe
[06:33] <smouche> stuff on the panels tends to drift in gnome.
[06:33] <thechitowncubs> haha steven
[06:33] <amiroff> kippi: what are you trying to down and from where?
[06:34] <daveist> ok, I have installed ubuntu, and I think its alot faster than SuSE 9.2 I used before.. I just wonder if it is gnome that makes it feel faster
[06:34] <jazon> smouche, is there a way to fix it?
[06:34] <amiroff> daveist: I don't think so, ubuntu just has mnimal services by default
[06:34] <smouche> no, daveist, it's ubuntu!
[06:34] <kippi> sudo apt-get install php4
[06:34] <nickrud> Where to put it ...;
[06:34] <smouche> jazon, sorry, I don't know.  I switched to kubuntu.
[06:35] <daveist> very nice distro then..
[06:35] <stevenj> the problem I see...is that some websites just do not print correctly in firebox....not sure if its the print drivers or firefox...HP 5150...anyone have any suggestion as far as printing from firefox
[06:35] <jazon> what is that??? a kde version?
[06:35] <smouche> jazon, yes
[06:36] <jazon> smouche, is it better?
[06:36] <nickrud> scott: ~/Templates :)
[06:36] <smouche> lord, jazon!  That's a tricky question.
[06:36] <smouche> for me, yes, for others no.  Question of preferences
[06:37] <jazon> smouche, my bad - you are right.  I am running an HP m1080n, and I am having all kinds of 'fun' making all my hardware work with hoary (gnome)
[06:37] <blueprism> nickrud now i just gotta find a decent mirror where the package is
[06:37] <blueprism> ;f
[06:37] <kippi> amiroff: I am using sudo apt-get install php4
[06:37] <smouche> jazon, put it this way: ubuntu does the best gnome I've seen, kubuntu does the best kde I've seen
[06:37] <amiroff> kippi: that's correct
[06:37] <jazon> smouche, are there advantages in terms of making ubuntu work with my hardware?
[06:37] <amiroff> smouche: kde onkubuntu could be better though
[06:38] <daveist> How do I get mp3 suppert in sound juice cd ripper, the help says something about a GStreamer lame plugin
[06:38] <amiroff> smouche: just plain kde
[06:38] <kippi> amiroff, i get this Reading Package Lists... Done
[06:38] <kippi> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[06:38] <kippi> E: Couldn't find package php4
[06:38] <smouche> jazon, I doubt it -- but for me, I had more "out of the box it just works" luck with kde than gnome...
[06:38] <smouche> but again, everybody's mileage differs
[06:38] <nickrud> blueprism: try google ubuntu mirrors
[06:38] <dcahrakos> cmon, doesnt anyone know what causes a hang at starting hotplug subsystem? I just got it to get past the initial install from the cd, but now it hand there
[06:38] <jax> has anyone else has the Cannot retrive bsdutils error and managed to fix it ?
[06:39] <Xebitx> which irc client do you guys use?
[06:39] <Kishu> Anyone have any idea of why I can't change FAT32 paritions' owners?
[06:39] <mercurus> Kishu, because FAT32 doesn't implement much in the way of access control
[06:39] <Plexys> how do i import fonts from windows into linux?
[06:39] <amiroff> kippi: just fire up synatic and install from there
[06:40] <mercurus> Kishu: what you need to do, is set uid=1000,gid=1000 in fstab
[06:40] <sig> Plexys: you don't have to
[06:40] <jazon> my biggest problem is that my s-video out to my tv is scrambled.... I tried updating the drivers for my ati 300 pci-e but it gave overwrite errors so i did a force -all all to no avail
[06:40] <mercurus> Kishu, so that when the fs is mounted, it mounts with ownership for your user
[06:40] <amiroff> Plexys: just copy fonts from windows to your /home/blah/.fonts dir
[06:40] <nickrud> Kishu: vfat partitions do not support changing owners on the fly
[06:40] <sig> Plexys: http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrafonts
[06:40] <sig> just install them via apt-get
[06:41] <amiroff> sig: apt-get does not get tahoma :)
[06:41] <nickrud> Kishu, i mean permissions in general, not just owner
[06:41] <daveist> sig> its a nice guide :-)
[06:41] <stevenj> anyone know a better print command than the default firefox print command?
[06:41] <amiroff> nickrud: permissions do not work on fat32
[06:41] <kippi> amiroff, ok thanks, that worked :D
[06:41] <amiroff> kippi: anytime
[06:41] <excel> matt@rarse:~ $ xmms
[06:41] <excel> libmikmod.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[06:41] <excel> Inconsistency detected by ld.so: ../sysdeps/generic/dl-tls.c: 72: _dl_next_tls_modid: Assertion `result <= _rtld_local._dl_tls_max_dtv_idx' failed!
[06:41] <excel> any ideas what is wrong here?
[06:41] <nickrud> amiroff: true, except for the initial mount.
[06:42] <stevenj> should I use gtklp for printing?
[06:42] <amiroff> yes, I mean user permissions
[06:42] <Kishu> is this correct? /dev/hda5       /mnt/win2       vfat    defaults,uid=1000,gid=1000        0       0
[06:42] <nickrud> stevenj: I use gtklp probably 15 - 20 times a day.
[06:42] <thechitowncubs> hey guys, what do I need to access my ubuntu hoary through windows via a vnc server
[06:42] <mercurus> Kishu, yep looks good
[06:43] <Kishu> Ok thanks for the help I'm gonna reboot now
[06:43] <mercurus> now run: sudo umount /mnt/win2 && sudo mount /mnt/win2
[06:43] <mercurus> reboot ? bloody hell.
[06:43] <yuriko> crud. I just can't figure out why gnome is frezzing up for one user
[06:43] <daveist> I think ubuntu is freaking fast.. something must be wrong :D
[06:43] <amiroff> thechitowncubs: just enavle remote access in gnome
[06:43] <Alfred1881> hey all, is KDE 3.4 in Mandrake the same in Kubuntu ???
[06:44] <amiroff> thechitowncubs: and later use remote connection on windows
[06:44] <Alfred1881> are there small differences ???
[06:44] <thechitowncubs> amiroff: how do I access it from windows?
[06:44] <deFrysk> Alfred1881, kde in mandrake is crippled
[06:44] <DoppelGanger> see #windows
[06:44] <amiroff> Alfred1881: mandrake has only kde 3.3.2
[06:44] <tbird> Alfred1881, kde 3.4 in ubuntu
[06:44] <GhostNr1> Amaranth > still left? Can I change from hoary to something else. I needed to upgrade libc6 to get mplayer to work now allso :|
[06:44] <amiroff> thechitowncubs: you need a vnc viewer
[06:44] <yuriko> i think you can get 3.4 if you're a club memeber
[06:45] <mercurus> GhostNr1, how about using an older mplayer deb ?
[06:45] <deFrysk> yuriko, then $$$ makes the difference in mdk
[06:45] <tbird> lol club member
[06:45] <thechitowncubs> is it possible to do it from a browser
[06:45] <amiroff> DoppelGanger: that guy does not deserve that answer
[06:45] <GhostNr1> mercurus > maby that a good way yes :)
[06:45] <Alfred1881> deFrysk crippled ?
[06:45] <yuriko> yes one reason why i switched
[06:45] <Plexys> amiroff: when i copy the .ttf fonts from my windows partition, and try to copy them into 'fonts:///'  they do not appear
[06:45] <deFrysk> Alfred1881, yes
[06:45] <Alfred1881> i did an upgrade
[06:45] <stevenj> nickrud, well when I print from firefox some web pages are "messed up" and I noticed I dont have gtklp installed...just wondering if this should make a difference
[06:46] <unperson> Do all the marilliat packages come up as unauthenticated?
[06:46] <Alfred1881> but crashed few times in 2 days
[06:46] <amiroff> Plexys: are they in .fonts dir now? check out them
[06:46] <nickrud> stevenj: no, gtklp won't help you there.
[06:46] <deFrysk> unperson, can be fixed , see ubuntuguide.org
[06:46] <Plexys> amiroff: they are not
[06:46] <thechitowncubs> I got it sweet
[06:46] <amiroff> thechitowncubs: there are many free vnc viewers for windows, just google it
[06:47] <thechitowncubs> I got it
[06:47] <amiroff> just copy them there manually
[06:47] <amiroff> Plexys: just copy them there manually
[06:47] <amiroff> Plexys: copy and paste :)
[06:47] <Alfred1881> synaptic = kynaptic ???
[06:47] <stevenj> nickrud, have you seen this issue yourself-if so are there any solutions
[06:47] <amiroff> thechitowncubs: good :)
[06:47] <amiroff> Alfred1881: synaptic > Kynaptic
[06:48] <Alfred1881> lol
[06:48] <thechitowncubs> This is awesome
[06:48] <yuriko> ug. If I launch a broswer it won't respon and in the ps tree it seems to duplicate itself
[06:48] <nickrud> stevenj: aaah, printing in firefox comes and goes :)
[06:48] <yuriko> so now I have 5 galeon process
[06:48] <Plexys> amiroff: i tried to copy the arial.tff into fonts:, but it won't appear. although the right-click menu says i can paste, it just doesn't come
[06:48] <Plexys> amiroff: although i can copy the .ttf into my home folder
[06:49] <hile> yuriko: it's just threads shown like that in lin ux
[06:49] <sillygirly> im trying to get my sound to initialize - please help.
[06:49] <amiroff> Plexys: open 2 windows, c:\windows\fonts and /home/blah/.fonts
[06:49] <Alfred1881> i suppose synaptic is easier than rpm ?
[06:49] <nickrud> stevenj: I  have a slower machine, so I don't use firefox right now:)
[06:49] <stevenj> nickrud, heh....well I will keep researching...I just read on a forum somewhere to change the print command...
[06:49] <amiroff> Plexys: now drag and drop all the ttf files to /home/blah/.fonts
[06:50] <Plexys> amiroff: sorry for my newbieness, but what do you mean by blah? my user home folder?
[06:50] <amiroff> Plexys: yeah :)
[06:50] <yuriko> hile. Not sure what you mean. Galeon is still not loading and I have 9 process ID's for it now.
[06:50] <amiroff> Plexys: no worries, we are all newbies
[06:50] <Plexys> amiroff: that directory doesn't exist
[06:50] <Alfred1881> amiroff i suppose synaptic is easier than rpm ?
[06:51] <Plexys> amiroff: some wiki told me to copy it into 'fonts:///', which is a valid location on my pc, because all the fonts appear
[06:51] <DoppelGanger> ha
[06:51] <Plexys> amiroff: however, the problem is that when i try to paste a file into that directory it won't appear
[06:51] <DoppelGanger> some wikis are dependable sources
[06:51] <amiroff> Plexys: if there is no .fonts dir, just create it
[06:51] <DoppelGanger> then again some wikis just plain suck
[06:51] <Plexys> amiroff: the . included?
[06:51] <amiroff> Plexys: that second option had to work, dunno why did not though
[06:52] <amiroff> Plexys: yes, it will make it hidden folder
[06:52] <Plexys> amiroff: ok, i created it and successfully pasted the arial.ttf file in there
[06:52] <Plexys> amiroff: now, can i use that for various applications?
[06:52] <amiroff> Plexys: great, yes!
[06:53] <amiroff> Plexys: launch font conf. dialog and change your font from there
[06:53] <blueprism> nickrud you still here ?
[06:54] <nickrud> blueprism, you just caught me before I left
[06:54] <blueprism> nickrud im still tracking the x-window-system package but still cant seem to find any mirro rwith it ... and all the apt says is its referred to by anotherpackage
[06:54] <JinxColor> if I changed video cards do I have to reconfig xserver?
[06:54] <blueprism> any way to get name of which
[06:55] <Alfred1881> amiroff: i suppose synaptic is easier than rpm's ?
[06:55] <amiroff> Alfred1881: synaptic has nothing to do with rpms, does it?
[06:55] <amiroff> Alfred1881: you can use synaptic on rpm based distros too
[06:55] <excel> http://rafb.net/paste/results/jxL1oF95.html <-- Any ideas what is wrong here?
[06:56] <Plexys> amiroff: thank you, openoffice word processor is now writing in arial :)
[06:56] <sid77> hi
[06:56] <Alfred1881> i mean what about installing progs
[06:56] <Alfred1881> is it easy
[06:56] <amiroff> Plexys: enjoy man!
[06:56] <nickrud> blueprism: I've got 6.8.2-10 available.
[06:56] <dcahrakos> doesnt anyone know what causes a hang at starting hotplug subsystem?? I just got it to get past the initial install from the cd, but now it hangs there
[06:56] <amiroff> Plexys: but you will have to do that again if you create another user in future, to do that only once you should install the fonts system-wide
[06:57] <blueprism> nickrud damn
[06:57] <blueprism> can i borrow your sources.list?
[06:57] <blueprism> :x
[06:57] <nickrud> blue-prism: Hoary??
[06:57] <blueprism> yep
[06:57] <Plexys> amiroff: ok, i'll keep that in mind
[06:57] <nickrud> I'll put it on pastebin.com
[06:57] <blueprism> nickrud should i change to other than hoary?
[06:59] <dcraven> bluefoxicy, no. Hoary is good.
[06:59] <dcraven> biab
[06:59] <yuriko> dcahrakos can't you turn that off?
[06:59] <dcraven> err.. blueprism no. Hoary is good.
[06:59] <dcahrakos> yuriko, turn what off?
[07:00] <yuriko> hotplugging
[07:00] <blueprism> ah
[07:00] <dave__> hmm think ive got my broadcom chipset wifi card working now yay, just wish my wirelesss wasnt away for repair now doh
[07:00] <blueprism> now im just waiting for a proper sources.list if nickrud would find it
[07:00] <Nermal> anything in the breezy repositories yet ?
[07:00] <dave__> my windows pc with wifi card seems to see it adhoc anyway
[07:01] <nickrud> http://pastebin.com/272439
[07:03] <Alfred1881> are mplayer, kmplayer integrated in (k) ubuntu ????
[07:03] <DoppelGanger> dunno are they
[07:03] <tbird> Alfred1881, yes if you install em
[07:04] <djm62> for certain values of integrated ;)
[07:04] <smouche> don't think so -- anyway, I don't have kmplayer on mine
[07:04] <GNAM> Alfred1881: UNIVERSE is the law
[07:05] <smouche> I suppose kmplayer is more "integrated" than plain mplayer, by definition ;-)
[07:05] <DoppelGanger> integrated
[07:05] <DoppelGanger> hmmm
[07:05] <DoppelGanger> interesting
[07:05] <dantheman> if i'm ssh-ed into a remote machine, how can i copy a file from there onto my computer?
[07:05] <djm62> dantheman: use scp or sftp?
[07:06] <triandafilos_> what software do i use to burn dvd?
[07:06] <dantheman> alright
[07:06] <DoppelGanger> he eh triandafilos_ www.fuckinggoogleit.com
[07:06] <blueprism> nice nickrud
[07:06] <blueprism> it works fine now
[07:06] <DoppelGanger> thts wht you get for speaking english
[07:06] <djm62> triandafilos_: on plain ubuntu, gnomebaker
[07:06] <triandafilos_> thanks
[07:06] <Poprocks> hey all, I just installed Warty yesterday and apt-got it to Hoary.  It was working fine at first, but now when GNOME starts, my laptop freezes solid -- it gets to putting the gnome-panel but before the applets can load it freezes
[07:07] <nickrud> blueprism: so do you have x-window-system now?
[07:07] <nickrud> blueprism, good.
[07:07] <djm62> Poprocks: can you start it from the command line to see what errors come up?
[07:07] <Poprocks> djm62: I don't get any
[07:07] <nickrud> time for sunday morning brunch.
[07:08] <djm62> Poprocks: does it completely freeze, or does gnome just stop loading?
[07:08] <Poprocks> djm62: I can't move the mouse, and I can't ctrl+alt+backspace
[07:09] <djm62> Poprocks: nasty! but X is starting ok, because you see the pictures until then?
[07:09] <Poprocks> djm62: yeah I can start X with an xterm
[07:09] <blueprism> anyone know if there is a blackbox or fluxbox package for ubuntu ?
[07:09] <blueprism> or do i have to stick with either kde or gnome ?
[07:10] <djm62> blueprism: in universe/multiverse there is
[07:10] <crimsun> blueprism: (universe)
[07:10] <blueprism> ah sweet =)
[07:10] <xdkn> blueprism, u may also install xfce :] 
[07:10] <Poprocks> brb, I need more virtual consoles
[07:10] <blueprism> xdkn im more into blackbox or fluxbox
[07:10] <blueprism> kde is nice for some people
[07:10] <blueprism> but i dont like all this fancy setup
[07:10] <crimsun> (xfce4 would be the correct metapackage name ;-)
[07:11] <djm62> crimsun: any idea what could be wrong for poprocks?
[07:11] <blueprism> i like my linux clean style
[07:11] <crimsun> djm62: dunno, haven't looked at it
[07:11] <crimsun> djm62: got a bugzilla url?
[07:11] <djm62> nope
[07:12] <dj-death> hi all
[07:12] <dj-death> I'm trying to compile luminocity
[07:13] <crimsun> Poprocks: so the problem only exhibits itself when you start gnome 2.10.1 in Hoary?
[07:13] <Poprocks> crimsun: yeah but it *did* work for a while after I upgraded
[07:13] <dj-death> but configure.ac require xtst.pc from libxtst
[07:13] <Poprocks> and after I rebooted I might add
[07:13] <blueprism> hm what the hell is the name of that window manager that starts it on reboot ?
[07:13] <dj-death> but I cant find this file using apt-file
[07:13] <Poprocks> but then I ran the GIMP, and it froze while it was starting.  Ever since then, it's been doing it
[07:14] <djm62> Poprocks: can you ssh to the machine? to confirm how deeply it's locked
[07:14] <Poprocks> djm62: good question, I'll try
[07:14] <unperson> Sorry, I asked this before but then I had to leave before I could see the answer.  Do all the marilliat packages come up as unauthenticated?
[07:15] <crimsun> dj-death: use packages.ubuntu.com
[07:15] <dj-death> crimsun: ?
[07:15] <djm62> give you a fighting chance to get error messages
[07:15] <crimsun> dj-death: use the search feature on packages.ubuntu.com. It will tell you which -dev package to install.
[07:15] <dj-death> ok
[07:16] <Poprocks> ok, hold onto your butts
[07:16] <crimsun> unperson: wiki/AptAuthenticationInstructionsForHoary
[07:16] <kippi> how do you set-up ssh?
[07:16] <crimsun> kippi: the server? aptitude install openssh-server
[07:16] <unperson> Poprocks:  That's not very lady like.
[07:16] <Poprocks> hmm
[07:16] <dj-death> crimsun: not found
[07:16] <Poprocks> starting gnome-panel didn't freeze it
[07:16] <SeamusLP> crimsun:  Perhaps you can clear something up for me.  System -> about gnome says gnome 2.10.0, but my packages seem to suggest that I'm running 2.10.1.  Furthermore I wasn't even aware there was a 2.10.1
[07:16] <unperson> crimsun:  Thanks.
[07:16] <kippi> crimsun: ah ok
[07:17] <rotherad> hi guys, i have just installed ubuntu on my laptop, does any1 know how to make the battery monitor to work
[07:17] <rotherad> i have everythin else workin
[07:18] <crimsun> SeamusLP: you're running 2.10.1. The splash screens simply weren't all updated.
[07:18] <Tirno> rotherad: I have the same trouble. I think on most laptops, it just doesn't and won't
[07:18] <rotherad> damn
[07:18] <rotherad> i need it to work, ill fiddle to try and get it workin
[07:18] <crimsun> SeamusLP: 2.10.1 (instead of 2.10) is the reason Hoary was delayed from 6 April to 8 April
[07:18] <dave__> mine does
[07:18] <rotherad> if i cant ill have to go back to......
[07:18] <blueprism> pelase tell me if anyone has that to work
[07:18] <SeamusLP> crimsun:  Ah, very interesting
[07:18] <k-otik> what is a bittorrentmeta file?
[07:18] <blueprism> with battery monitor has the problem aswell
[07:18] <blueprism> :o
[07:18] <dave__> but sometime says running on batterys when its on ac
[07:18] <unperson> Tirno:  New to warty?
[07:18] <djm62> rotherad: http://www.linux-laptop.net/
[07:19] <unperson> Tirno:  I mean, is that a new problem since Warty?
[07:19] <kippi> if i am in a ssh login how would I su?
[07:19] <djm62> kippi: sudo, same as usual
[07:19] <DoppelGanger> ha ha
[07:19] <SeamusLP> crimsun:  Also, are the next few gnome bug fix releases going to be built for hoary?  I'm noticing a buggy gnome-panel and nautilus.
[07:19] <itay> how do I install nvidia driver
[07:20] <vanQ> excuse me
[07:20] <kippi> ah ok
[07:20] <GhostNr1> in the packet system have they as standard hoary, are there any better. I can't get anything to work. Like mplayer
[07:20] <vanQ> I just downloaded ubuntu-5.04-live-i386.iso
[07:20] <vanQ> Live CD
[07:20] <Tirno> unperson: I've had the problem since warty
[07:20] <vanQ> it's a .rar
[07:20] <Tirno> and same on hoary
[07:20] <vanQ> or wopsie
[07:20] <vanQ> nothing
[07:20] <vanQ> forget it
[07:20] <DoppelGanger> ha ha
[07:20] <crimsun> SeamusLP: unlikely unless they're critical. You'd be better off tracking Breezy in a couple weeks.
[07:20] <Poprocks> nope, can't ssh in
[07:20] <turkey_joe> can someone tell me why i can't hear any sound on my ubuntu machine??
[07:21] <GhostNr1> Tirno > Do you have any solution to it?
[07:21] <djm62> Poprocks: can you specify noacpi on booting?
[07:21] <turkey_joe> sorry...i hear it within the OS just can't hear it when playing games and stuff.
[07:21] <SeamusLP> crimsun: Thanks
[07:21] <Poprocks> I don't *want* to run without acpi
[07:21] <unperson> The batter monitor worked fine for me in Warty and seems to still work in hoary.
[07:21] <djm62> Poprocks: but it would be nice to know if that was the problem
[07:21] <djm62> Poprocks: then solve it if it is
[07:21] <Poprocks> djm62: why would starting gnome-panel not crash it then?
[07:22] <turkey_joe> can someone help me plz??
[07:22] <unperson> rotherad:  I'm sure you did.  But you did go to prefs on the power monitor applet and check the "show battery life" box, right?
[07:22] <unperson> I only ask because on my machine it was not checked by default.
[07:22] <djm62> Poprocks: the whole thing seems weird to me...the only thing I can thing of is the HAL
[07:22] <Poprocks> djm62: I'll get rid of hal & dbus from my runlevel
[07:23] <crimsun> turkey_joe: pkill esd, then start your game
[07:23] <unperson> Perhaps whether the battery monitor works depends on which power management system your machine uses, ACPI or APM.
[07:25] <Tirno> I have acpi I think
[07:25] <unperson> rotherad:  Does you laptop use APM or ACPI, any idea?
[07:25] <turkey_joe> ok..that worked...thanks....how about when i'm listening to audio from the internet??
[07:25] <djm62> Poprocks: also, did the upgrade go completely right? did you use dist-upgrade? are all warty type entries definitely gone from your file
[07:25] <itay> how do I install nvidia driver?
[07:25] <Tirno> it tells me battery status unknown
[07:25] <rotherad> unperson im not sure
[07:26] <Poprocks> djm62: that I'm not sure about
[07:26] <rotherad> how do i change / find out
[07:26] <Poprocks> yes I used dist-upgrade
[07:26] <unperson> Tirno:  Mine is ACPI.  That's what is says in /proc/acpi/battery/BAT0/state?
[07:26] <Poprocks> djm62: and if by "my file" you mean sources.list then yes
[07:26] <cavediver> Can I disable recent document thing in gnome ?
[07:27] <Tirno> unperson: /proc/acpi/battery is empty
[07:27] <cikilin> hello!!!!!!!!11
[07:27] <blueprism> hm is it bad if i get Gateway Timeout to http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary/(main,restricted,universe) ?
[07:27] <blueprism> :s
[07:27] <unperson> rotherad:  It's a good question.  :-)  I don't recall how I found out.  I know you can pay close attention during boot and figure it out.  Go to /proc and see if there is an apm or acpi directory.
[07:27] <rotherad> there is a acpi dir
[07:27] <yuriko> ok. It's not just gnome. XFCE won't work for one user either
[07:27] <crimsun> turkey_joe: eh? It should work. What sort of streams are you trying to play?
[07:28] <Pipe1> 5.04 i386 installed on PC without internet access, copied http://download.videolan.org/pub/libdvdcss/1.2.8/deb/libdvdcss2_1.2.8-1_i386.deb over with usb-stick but can't run it from the gui the way I could do rpms in Mandrake. I can't install it with Archive manager. Is there maybe a way thru the console?
[07:28] <unperson> rotherad:  So, go to /proc/acpi/battery
[07:28] <yuriko> it starts up fine, but as soon as I try to do anything the application won't load completely
[07:28] <SeamusLP> Pipe1: dpkg -i
[07:28] <yuriko> ideas?
[07:28] <unperson> Tirno:  Hmm...don't know what that means.  Other than, presumably, it isn't aware of your battery at all.
[07:28] <rotherad> unperson: there is nothing in there
[07:29] <SeamusLP> Pipe1: actually sudo dpkg -i :)
[07:29] <unperson> rotherad:  Well, it definitely sounds like you have the same deal as Tirno.  I don't know the answer, though.
[07:30] <unperson> I don't know much about it, unfortunately.
[07:30] <Tirno> what laptop do you have rotherad?
[07:30] <djm62> Poprocks: I'm completely stumped...when you say running gnome-panel doesn't crash it...does that mean all you applets are loaded and working?
[07:30] <Poprocks> djm62: correct
[07:30] <Pipe1> SeamusLP, thanks. It said unpacking and then setting up.
[07:30] <Poprocks> the *only* thing that appears to crash it is gnome-session
[07:30] <intinig> hello all
[07:30] <Poprocks> heck, running gnome-settings-daemon works
[07:31] <cikilin> hello!what do i have to do to remote  a pc?
[07:31] <intinig> Does anyone know why I'm getting a virtual desktop larger than the screen resolution after I switched to fglxr?
[07:31] <yuriko> attempt to put segment in horiz line twice
[07:31] <yuriko> ?
[07:31] <yuriko> that's the only error I can find
[07:31] <SeamusLP> Pipe1:  Word of advice, you can install rpms on ubuntu as well.  You use alien to convert them first.
[07:31] <crimsun> yuriko: unrelated.
[07:31] <rotherad> Tirno: I have a Toshiba Equium L!)
[07:31] <rotherad> L10*
[07:31] <yuriko> where can I find the error?
[07:31] <Pipe1> SeamusLP: thanks, I'll look into that.
[07:32] <yuriko> I can't fix it if don't know what it is
[07:32] <djm62> Poprocks: what if you create a new user...does starting from default settings make a difference?
[07:32] <rotherad> unperson: can i change to APM to try it?
[07:32] <cikilin> hi SeamusLP!
[07:32] <Poprocks_PC> yikes I spoke too soon!
[07:32] <ailleantsian> howdo i mount the fat2 hd so ubuntu will see my windows partition ?
[07:32] <Poprocks_PC> killing gnome-settings-daemon & running it again crashed iit!
[07:32] <SeamusLP> cikilin:  Hello.
[07:32] <cikilin> :)
[07:33] <SeamusLP> cikilin, ubuntu been working out alright for you?
[07:33] <Poprocks_PC> maybe I'll look at my control-center, maybe reinstall it
[07:33] <rayen> Hi, I was wondering if the packages which are build for apt-get/debian are the same as on Ubuntu?
[07:33] <djm62> Poprocks_PC: have you tried creating a new user?
[07:33] <cikilin> i had some unnespected pb!
[07:33] <Poprocks_PC> djm62, the same thing happens as root, if that makes a difference
[07:33] <SeamusLP> Alright, shoot
[07:33] <cikilin> in principal yes
[07:33] <unperson> rotherad:  I don't know.  I know my computer only supports ACPI, but I think some computers support both.
[07:33] <unperson> rotherad:  I've been told that Linux support for APM is more mature.
[07:33] <djm62> Poprocks_PC: if root existed when you were running warty, maybe not...
[07:33] <cikilin> sometimes my windows are closing suddenly!
[07:34] <SysFail> prop em up with a stick
[07:34] <SeamusLP> rotherad:  ACPI is much nicer, and kernel support for it is only improving
[07:34] <unperson> rotherad:  But I don't think I know how to switch.  You might try looking up APM on the wiki or the forums.
[07:34] <Poprocks> ok back on my laptop
[07:34] <Poprocks> djm62: I'll try that now
[07:35] <crimsun> what's Poprocks's central issue?
[07:35] <unperson> rotherad:  Sorry, I think this is beyond my depth.
[07:35] <crimsun> gnome-session is fubaring gnome-panel?
[07:35] <SeamusLP> cikilin:  What do you mean?
[07:35] <Poprocks> crimsun: gnome-settings-daemon (it seems) is crashing my whole computer
[07:35] <crimsun> Poprocks: I thought you said gnome-settings-daemon _works_
[07:35] <Poprocks> crimsun: yes but I killed it and started it again and it crashed
[07:36] <rayen> Hi, I was wondering if the packages which are build for apt-get/debian are the same as on Ubuntu?
[07:36] <Poprocks> brb, logging in as new user
[07:37] <djm62> of course, if it works as newuser, the mystery remains :-/
[07:37] <Dethread> n
[07:37] <crimsun> did Poprocks say if (s)he is using an unsupported kernel?
[07:37] <Poprocks_PC> damnit, little bugger
[07:37] <Poprocks_PC> crimsun, I'm using 2.6.11-k7 from apt
[07:38] <unperson> SeamusLP:  It sounds like ACPI may not work properly for his mobo, though.
[07:38] <Poprocks_PC> I can try 2.6.10 if you want
[07:38] <Pipe1> 5.04. Anything other than libdvdcss2_1.2.8-1_i386.deb needed to view encrypted DVDs? Totem seems to need "corresponding plugins".
[07:38] <crimsun> Poprocks_PC: .11 ?
[07:38] <crimsun> Poprocks_PC: from Debian?
[07:38] <djm62> .11?
[07:38] <crimsun> Poprocks_PC: or 2.6.11-0.2 from universe?
[07:38] <Poprocks_PC> crimsun, I'm not sure, it might be from universe
[07:38] <crimsun> Poprocks_PC: there's your problem. 2.6.11-0.2 from universe is unsupported. Please do not use it.
[07:38] <Poprocks_PC> I didn't notice
[07:38] <crimsun> Poprocks_PC: uname -r
[07:38] <Poprocks_PC> it was the newest I saw, so I installed it.
[07:39] <Poprocks_PC> k lemme check that
[07:39] <crimsun> Poprocks_PC: no, use 2.6.10-5-k7
[07:39] <crimsun> Poprocks_PC: unless you pass 2.6.11-0.2 "noinotify", it will freeze your machine.
[07:39] <Amaranth> Do _not_ ue 2.6.11-0.2, it is _known_ to not work.
[07:39] <SeamusLP> unperson:  I don't completely trust ACPI, but I've had good luck with it so far
[07:39] <Amaranth> s/ue/use/
[07:40] <Poprocks> 2.6.11-1-k7
[07:40] <karim> how can I have the hoary fixes ?
[07:40] <SysFail> k7 freezes mine everytime
[07:41] <crimsun> Poprocks_PC: correct, that's 2.6.11-0.2. Do not use it.
[07:41] <crimsun> Poprocks_PC: that explains your machine's freezes.
[07:41] <unperson> Ok, for anyone needing to switch from ACPI to APM, this may be a start:  http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-2620.html
[07:41] <mukanico> does anyone have problems about the ram usage on Kubuntu?
[07:41] <crimsun> Poprocks_PC: alternately, you can use 2.6.11-0.2 if you pass "noinotify" as a boot parameter
[07:41] <Poprocks> crimsun: hmm, ok.  I used it on Slackware when I had it previously, but that was a vanilla kernel, ubuntu's is probably pretty heavily patched...
[07:41] <crimsun> mukanico: no
[07:41] <crimsun> Poprocks: very heavily.
[07:42] <Feilding> Hello everyone :)  does ubuntu or Kubuntu have support for Sony Mini disks? TIA :)
[07:42] <kippi> is i wanted to run a ftp server, what would be a good ftp server?
[07:42] <Poprocks> crimsun: that's ok, I'll try 2.6.10!  brb :)
[07:42] <karim> how to get the updates for hoary ?
[07:42] <crimsun> kippi: I recommend using scp or sftp instead, but if you must use ftp, use vsftpd or proftpd
[07:42] <Nermal> apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[07:42] <karim> I mean is there some sources to add
[07:42] <Nermal> karim: oh..
[07:43] <karim> in plus of the one I got before it freezed
[07:43] <Nermal> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-updates main restricted
[07:43] <Nermal> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-updates main restricted
[07:43] <karim> thanks :D
[07:43] <karim> is there e17 in breezy ?
[07:43] <kippi> crimsun: if i used sftp can you use a normal ftp client to connect to it?
[07:43] <voided> hi!  what do i need in sources.list to upgrade to breezy from hoary ?
[07:43] <karim> Nermal, there is no updates for universe and multiverse ?
[07:44] <crimsun> kippi: I'd use scp (ssh).
[07:44] <crimsun> karim: for multiverse, no
[07:45] <Poprocks_PC> yay!
[07:45] <djm62> Feilding: http://notmd.sourceforge.net/ might help you
[07:45] <unperson> Feilding:  I don't know for sure.  I'd be skeptical, though, since minidisks use propriety ALTRAC compression.
[07:45] <Poprocks_PC> I need to get ubuntu's ndiswrapper-utils back, when it didn't work on 2.6.11 I compiled my own XD
[07:45] <Feilding> ok Ty :)
[07:45] <unperson> I stand corrected.  :-)
[07:45] <voided> anyone?  is there an howto or something that talks about it?
[07:45] <Poprocks_PC> but the kernel was the problem with the freezes
[07:46] <Pipe1> 5.04: can't play unencrypted or encrypted (install of libdvdcss2_1.2.8-1_i386.deb seemed fine) DVDs with Totem: no decoder for VOB. Something else needed?
[07:47] <SysFail> pipe: try kaffeine
[07:47] <SysFail> see if the libs are working
[07:47] <djm62> has anyone got totem playing DVDs happily?
[07:47] <SysFail> i play all mine in kaffeine without a hitch
[07:48] <djm62> totem freezes every time for me...I'm happy enough to use mplayer, but I've yet to see totem play anything :-/
[07:48] <Feilding> yea i always just use xmms or kafeen
[07:48] <SysFail> i couldnt get xmms to play movies
[07:48] <Poprocks_PC> xmms for DVDs??
[07:48] <SysFail> howd you do that?
[07:49] <Poprocks_PC> maybe with the mplayer plugin...
[07:49] <djm62> popcorn plugin, back in the day
[07:49] <Feilding> 0o sorry thought you where talking about music
[07:49] <Feilding> I have no DVD
[07:49] <Pipe1> SysFail: Ah, thanks. Newbie here: where's kaff? It's not under "Applications" "Sound & Video", nor in the list for "Run Application". Do I need to download its deb?
[07:49] <RRubin> i cant seem to make a kernel that boots. is there an initrd trick to it?
[07:50] <SysFail> its under multimedia
[07:50] <SysFail> kaffeine is the command
[07:50] <DoppelGanger> caffeine is in coffee
[07:50] <DoppelGanger> he eh
[07:50] <markuman> some gamers here? ubuntu-gamers meeting - #ubuntu-gaming ;-)
[07:50] <crimsun> RRubin: yes, read the cramfs section in the make-kpkg section carefull.
[07:50] <crimsun> RRubin: carefully^
[07:50] <djm62> Pipe1: apt-cache search kaffeine if it isn't installed
[07:50] <RRubin> crimsun: someone might want to update http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KernelCompileHowto/view?searchterm=compile%20kernel
[07:50] <crimsun> RRubin: otherwise, skip the initrd altogether and compile everything needed to access your / directly into your kernel
[07:50] <crimsun> RRubin: you can update it, too...
[07:51] <unperson> Anyone with a laptop have any luck switching between the built-in LCD and a connected monitor?
[07:51] <Pipe1> djm62: the ubuntu PC's not connected to the net, I'll download it and usb-stick it over. Thanks.
[07:51] <RRubin> i may be able to after i read the manual you mentioned :)
[07:51] <crimsun> RRubin: that's why I always carry a K/ubuntu livecd
[07:52] <RRubin> i have the orig kernel handy, but ndiswrapper wont load into it so im trying to fix that
[07:53] <RRubin> crimsun: hrm so i read that section ... about needing a patched kernel. but i got my kernel from apt
[07:53] <marcin_ant> hi all I got short question - how to play something with mpg321?
[07:54] <marcin_ant> I got info that "can't find suitable libdao driver"
[07:54] <munki> marcin_ant, then you need to get det libdao driver
[07:55] <crimsun> RRubin: your kernel _source_, I presume?
[07:55] <Poprocks> configuring synaptics driver is the next step ... I *hate* tap-to-click
[07:56] <yuriko> newuser works fine until I use oldusers /home
[07:56] <munki> marcin_ant, search in synaptic
[07:56] <marcin_ant> munki:  dpkg -l | grep libao
[07:56] <marcin_ant> ii  libao2         0.8.5-1ubuntu2 Cross Platform Audio Output Library
[07:57] <marcin_ant> munki: so apparently I got this package installed
[07:57] <munki> hmm, ya.. seems like that
[07:58] <munki> what does mpg321 say, when you mpg321 <filename> ?
[07:58] <munki> and what kind of file, are trying to play ?
[07:59] <munki> marcin_ant , hmm.. mine says the same :S
[07:59] <marcin_ant> munki: you want it all?
[07:59] <munki> marcin_ant , heh.. no thanks :) mine say the same, device in use
[07:59] <marcin_ant> munki: "Can't find a suitable libao driver. (Is device in use?)
[07:59] <marcin_ant> "
[08:00] <munki> i think maybe Gnome are taking control of libao
[08:00] <munki> so it is in use, you know.. the gnome-systemsounds
[08:00] <munki> use mplayer, that works :)
[08:00] <marcin_ant> munki: the thing is that I don't use gnome
[08:01] <RRubin> im having problems with sound too. anyone gotten xmms to work?
[08:01] <crimsun> RRubin: yep. What sort of issues?
[08:01] <marcin_ant> munki: I mean I don't have gnome-session
[08:01] <RRubin> gnome can play them
[08:01] <marcin_ant> munki: I use ion3 as window manager
[08:01] <RRubin> but nothing else can (xmms, xine, etc)
[08:01] <munki> marcin_ant , okay.. dunno then
[08:01] <RRubin> im sorta new to gnome
[08:01] <crimsun> RRubin: tell your non-gnome music apps to use esd
[08:01] <marcin_ant> munki: and I would like to use emacs with emms (which is frontend to mpg321)
[08:02] <crimsun> RRubin: for instance, tell xmms and/or beep-media-player to use their esound outputs
[08:02] <RRubin> crimsun: ahh, so i prolly need xmms-esd
[08:02] <marcin_ant> munki: and while mpg321 doesn't work then well I need to use xmms or something like this
[08:02] <regeya> or you could just not use esd, unless you really need for gnome apps to beep and boop ;-)
[08:02] <crimsun> RRubin: no, just change the output plugin in preferences
[08:03] <munki> marcin_ant , ya.. don't know how to get it to work ..
[08:03] <munki> marcin_ant , just checked -I got the same issue..
[08:03] <marcin_ant> munki: ok
[08:04] <marcin_ant> munki: well it's not ok - but it's ok that you can reproduce this bug
[08:04] <RRubin> crimsun: that worked. thanks
[08:04] <crimsun> RRubin: np
[08:04] <marcin_ant> munki: so I can file bug report
[08:04] <Richy22866> when trying to upload files as user 'games' it does a bit then receive "connection closed. server timeout", but other users work fine. have tried a few ftpds and same prob. what could be causing this? No quotas are set, connection is fine.
[08:05] <nicoOoO> hi
[08:06] <munki> marcin_ant , ya.. do that
[08:06] <munki> marcin_ant , I don't have to use mpg321 -but please bug it
[08:06] <RRubin> is there an ls command that puts dirs first?
[08:07] <nicoOoO> anybody knows an IRC client that allows to use a different charset for each channel joined? xchat doesn't seem to allow it... /charset changes the charset of all the channels joined on the current server :(
[08:07] <RRubin> marcin_ant: have you tried mp3blaster?
[08:07] <RRubin> mpg321 suxx
[08:07] <munki> RRubin , why so ?
[08:07] <crimsun> nicoOoO: I'm fairly certain Kopete does
[08:08] <RRubin> munki: cant stream worth salt
[08:08] <RRubin> skips constantly
[08:08] <nicoOoO> crimsun, thanks... it is a kde client isn't it? :(
[08:08] <RRubin> even when streaming localhost (ampache)
[08:08] <munki> RRubin , but it does play mp3, ogg
[08:08] <munki> wav, etc...
[08:08] <kippi> do people use postfix or sendmail? which one would people recomend?
[08:08] <RRubin> mp3blaster does too, with a nice curses interface to boot
[08:09] <crimsun> nicoOoO: you can use another one...chatzilla, for instance, or Gaim or irssi, ...
[08:09] <djm62> nicoOoO: gaim seems to display most languages correctly
[08:09] <blueprism> hm where to find the proftpd package for ubuntu
[08:09] <munki> ya, but please whatch your language, mpg321 is nice app.
[08:09] <crimsun> blueprism: in universe
[08:09] <nicoOoO> gaim? isn't it an IM client?
[08:09] <djm62> nicoOoO: with options to have IRC channels as buddies
[08:10] <zenrox> nicoOoO, but it also does irc protical
[08:10] <nicoOoO> hmm...
[08:10] <djm62> nicoOoO: it's not a dedicated irc client, but it's quite usable (I'm on it now)
[08:10] <Myrtti> djm62: I thought the IRC protocol doesn't comment on what charset should be used in IRC
[08:10] <Myrtti> djm62: so if you're seeing different languages correctly, that's just because you've been lucky
[08:11] <djm62> Myrtti: well, the _real_ solution is jabber ;)
[08:11] <Myrtti> if that was what you meant
[08:11] <Myrtti> djm62: the _real_ solution is bitlbee
[08:12] <djm62> bitlbee? doesn't that sit on top of irc?
[08:12] <nicoOoO> i don't understant why don't everybody use UTF8
[08:12] <LycoN> Can i install LILO from windows?
[08:12] <blueprism> crimsun hmm hehe i think i need to find a sources.list somewhere with proper mirros to universe
[08:12] <Myrtti> no, irc sits on top of it
[08:13] <Myrtti> nicoOoO: old habits die hard
[08:13] <sig> blueprism: look at sources.list examples on ubuntuguide.org
[08:13] <sig> on adding repo's
[08:13] <michael> can anyone help me with http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=27705 ???
[08:13] <blueprism> sig ah thanks alot
[08:14] <nicoOoO> Myrtti, yes i guess so
[08:14] <tck_> anyone else getting gpg errors off the ftp://ftp.nerim.net hoary source list whence doing an apt-get update
[08:14] <Nermal> yah
[08:14] <Nermal> anyone on breezy yet ?
[08:14] <crimsun> Nermal: yes
[08:15] <nicoOoO> never used chatzilla is it a stand-alone program or part of the "big" mozilla?
[08:15] <michael> can anyone help me with http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=27705 ??? i really do need help on this
[08:15] <crimsun> nicoOoO: part of the big suite
[08:15] <nicoOoO> k
[08:15] <Nermal> crimsun: much difference between that and hoary yet ?
[08:15] <Myrtti> nicoOoO: if one's on several channels where everyone else uses iso-8859-1, it's easier to switch to that than to make others to switch their charsets
[08:15] <Nermal> useable ? breakage ?
[08:15] <patrick_> theres a chatzilla extension for firefox
[08:17] <jordanau> i messed up the top line of my /etc/apt/source.list file can someone on hoary please post their cd repository link
[08:18] <dragonman> hello everyone i'm a newbie and have a few questions if you don't mind
[08:18] <kyncani> jordanau: goto #flood
[08:19] <jordanau> #flood
[08:19] <jordanau> kyncani, im there
[08:19] <djm62> dragonman: just ask
[08:19] <dragonman> im at the root and can't figure out how to log in
[08:20] <cnez0red> wtf? According to the system monitor applet, I'm using 100% cpu. But according to gnome system, nothing is using any cpu power.
[08:20] <djm62> dragonman: what's on your screen exactly?
[08:20] <jordanau> kyncani, great its fixed, thank you
[08:20] <pass> bonjour a tous
[08:21] <kyncani> jordanau: np
[08:21] <RRubin> cnez0red: cpu frequency monitor?
[08:21] <|iggy|> Does anybody can help me with my laptop? If i turn down the display the monitor is not going down but when im away from the laptop they turn off
[08:22] <cnez0red> RRubin yeah.
[08:22] <dragonman> im not on the screen now but i believe its in red and says either root live: or boot live:
[08:22] <djm62> dragonman: just after you power-on/put the disk in?
[08:23] <cnez0red> and what's this process called getty? There's six of those happening.
[08:23] <dr_willis> those do the LOGIN: on the consoles
[08:23] <dragonman> after it does some installing yes
[08:23] <djm62> dr_willis: was that for dragonman?
[08:23] <nickrud> cnezOred: those are the ctl alt  F1 thru F6 consoles
[08:24] <dr_willis> getty and mgetty handle the login: and a few other things. :P
[08:24] <cnez0red> nickrud I see. Well gnome-system-monitor advised against killing them, so I didn't.
[08:24] <djm62> dragonman: just press enter (or wait for a few seconds)
[08:24] <nickrud> wise choice :)
[08:25] <nydust> I have a company and we need i website, and a webshop. what is the best? free templates ect.
[08:25] <cnez0red> I'd still like to know why my cpu is 100% in use though. I'm only using Pan, this, and a few terminal windows.
[08:25] <nydust> i =a
[08:25] <nickrud> cnez0red: change the preferences in the applet to use very different colors, that will help
[08:26] <djm62> nydust: you might be better off farming the webshop off onto ebay or someone
[08:26] <dragonman> ill try that but i think ive already tried it
[08:26] <nydust> djm62, farming?
[08:26] <cnez0red> nickrud how will that help?
[08:26] <djm62> nydust: as in, not trying to develop a secure, user-friendly webshop yourself...avoid the hassle
[08:27] <nickrud> cnez0red: there are different reasons why the cpu can be busy; this will help you track it down.
[08:27] <nydust> djm62, i see, but we need it for our clients. I dont think they want to bay on ebay...
[08:27] <beggar> what are the better direct connect client+gui for linux?
[08:27] <djm62> nydust: http://plone.org/ might be your CMS
[08:28] <nydust> djm62, i see the hassle
[08:28] <nydust> djm62, thanks
[08:29] <cnez0red> nickrud it's mostly user.
[08:30] <nickrud> cnez0red: then in a terminal, start the top program
[08:30] <cnez0red> nickrud aah... a game called XRunSabre is still running. I thought I'd quit it ages ago. That probly doesn't help.
[08:31] <nickrud> cnez0red: probably not :)
[08:31] <cnez0red> nickrud now my cpu usage has gone down to 5% heh.
[08:31] <BrettMeister> Hey, everyone.  Seems like I installed Kubuntu okay...got to the login, logged in okay.  Now what?  How do I get from the terminal to the KDE desktop?
[08:31] <cnez0red> actually bouncing between 5-30%.
[08:32] <cnez0red> nickrud thanx for that. Didn't think of trying top.
[08:32] <Marble2> why does traceroute not work for me?
[08:32] <ublive> startx
[08:32] <BrettMeister> I sure would apreciate any help....
[08:32] <nickrud> cnez0red: now pick some colors you can live with :)
[08:32] <cnez0red> Marble2 have u tried it with route privelages?
[08:32] <NotANick> BrettMeister: startx
[08:32] <BrettMeister> NotANick: That's it?
[08:32] <Marble2> cnez0red: how do I set that up?
[08:33] <ublive> or CTRL-F7 if its already started
[08:33] <cnez0red> nickrud I think I can live with these. Gives me a better idea what's going on than different shades of blue.
[08:33] <kyncani> BrettMeister: ALT-F7
[08:33] <ssam> brettmeister, sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start
[08:33] <BrettMeister> kyncani: thanks
[08:33] <Garathor> Is there any way i can use ISO8859-1 in aterm?
[08:33] <BrettMeister> Seems like several of you have some different ways.  All okay?
[08:33] <ublive> oh ya, CTRL-ALT-F7
[08:33] <LycoN> I have linux installed on my primary harddrive.  i have windows xp installed on my secondary harddrive.  grub gives me error 21 and wont load windows on secondary harddrive.  Help?
[08:34] <cnez0red> Marble2 have u got installed? If not, try $sudo apt-get install traceroute
[08:34] <Marble2> cnez0red: I have
[08:34] <BrettMeister> Thanks everyone.
[08:34] <BrettMeister> ssam: Thanks.
[08:34] <Marble2> it just gives me  * * * crap past the first hop
[08:34] <NotANick> BrettMeister: or you can try startkde, i think that works
[08:35] <cnez0red> Marble2 network probs?
[08:35] <BrettMeister> NotANick: Thanks.  I'll try these ideas.
[08:35] <Marble2> cnez0red: I can get online fine
[08:35] <Marble2> use irc, web, whatever
[08:35] <Marble2> but traceroute just doesn't work
[08:35] <BrettMeister> NotANick: Is this the usual way that ubuntu starts once installed?
[08:35] <Marble2> traceroute to google.com (216.239.37.99), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets
[08:35] <Marble2>  1  192.168.1.1 (192.168.1.1)  5.815 ms  0.651 ms  0.613 ms
[08:35] <Marble2>  2  * * *
[08:35] <Marble2>  3  * *
[08:35] <Marble2> and so on
[08:35] <cnez0red> Marble2 that could be down to your dns.
[08:35] <Marble2> how can I fix that?
[08:35] <cnez0red> try $cat /etc/resolv.conf
[08:35] <BrettMeister> NotANick: As you can tell I'm used to another distro..Fc3
[08:35] <kyncani> BrettMeister: no, once instelled, boot will take you to the graphical login sccreen
[08:36] <Marble2> okay
[08:36] <Marble2> should I paste the output here?
[08:36] <BrettMeister> kyncani: okay.  Thanks for your help.
[08:36] <kyncani> Marble2: NO, #flood
[08:36] <Marble2> cnez0red: go to #flood
[08:36] <cnez0red> Marble2 I don't know how you fix it really. I know that if there's more than two addresses in your /etc/resolv.conf, the problem is _definitely_ at your end.
[08:37] <marcin_ant> munki: I got mpg321 working
[08:37] <Marble2> there's 3 nameserver lines
[08:37] <Marble2> and 1 search line
[08:37] <marcin_ant> munki: mpg321 -o alsa file.mp3 works nice
[08:37] <kyncani> Marble2: It's fine
[08:37] <cnez0red> Marble2 I don't think they're should be. What kind of connection do u have?
[08:37] <Marble2> cable
[08:37] <Marble2> from roadrunner
[08:37] <cmonopoly72> Hello everyone.
[08:37] <Marble2> kyncani: what's fine?
[08:37] <Marble2> my resolv.conf?
[08:38] <cnez0red> Well I'm on dialup, and I know for a fact that if there's more than two dns lines in my /etc/resolv.conf, I'm going to have difficulties resolving addresses.
[08:38] <Marble2> mmmk
[08:39] <cnez0red> Usually what I do if that happens, is disconnect, type $sudo echo "" > /etc/resolv.conf
[08:39] <cnez0red> and then reconnect.
[08:39] <Marble2> kyncani, you have any ideas?
[08:40] <LycoN> I have linux installed on my primary harddrive.  i have windows xp installed on my secondary harddrive.  grub gives me error 21 and wont load windows on secondary harddrive.  Help?
[08:40] <nicedreams> May I make a request for the Ubuntu team to put support for 'freevo' in the repositories?
[08:40] <kyncani> cnez0red, Marble2: i think there are two nameservers, a primary and a secondary one
[08:40] <kyncani> Marble2: man resolv.conf for details
[08:40] <LycoN> where is GRUB.CONF?
[08:40] <Marble2> LycoN: /etc
[08:40] <cmonopoly72> I hope I'm not interrupting anyone but, did I have to forward port 6667 to be able to connect to IRC?
[08:40] <goldfish> cmonopoly72: nope
[08:41] <cmonopoly72> Thanks goldfish.
[08:41] <goldfish> cmonopoly72: if u want to run an irc server to the outside u have to
[08:41] <cmonopoly72> I see.
[08:41] <forsaker> hi guys
[08:41] <goldfish> hi forsaker
[08:42] <LycoN> I dont have grub.conf
[08:42] <kyncani> LycoN: type: locate grub.conf
[08:42] <RRubin> hrm
[08:42] <RRubin> my rhythmbox cant play mp3 files
[08:42] <cmonopoly72> Well, thanks, I have to go fix that : ). I'll come back another time.
[08:42] <RRubin> says there is no plugin?
[08:42] <zenrox> LycoN,  its in /boot/grub/
[08:42] <cnez0red> Marble2 best  advice I can give u is try  disconnecting, type $sudo echo "" > /etc/resolv.conf , the reconnecting and see if that clears things up. But then again, I'm a lamer. Sorry. :(
[08:42] <LycoN> no mine is in /usr/balla
[08:43] <Marble2> okay
[08:43] <nickrud> cnez0red: that should work for most cases
[08:44] <cnez0red> nickrud hey I don't understand this stuff. I'm giving advice soully based on bitter experience.
[08:44] <blueyed> I have an old SB Live card and would like to use the rear output for my headphones, but I cannot get it to work. KMix has a "Headphone" slider control, but I cannot (un)mute it.. ideas?
[08:44] <crimsun> blueyed: use alsamixer to unmute the surround mixer element
[08:44] <nickrud> cnez0red: :)
[08:44] <LycoN> so how can i get grub to see windowsxp on my second harddrive
[08:46] <forsaker> i think you have to add an entry in your menu.lst file LycoN
[08:46] <RRubin> how do i get rhythmbox to play mp3 files? need a package?
[08:46] <cikilin> how i burn with k3b an iso image on cd?
[08:46] <crimsun> RRubin: gstreamer0.8-mad from universe.
[08:46] <crimsun> RRubin: see wiki/RestrictedFormats
[08:46] <blueyed> crimsun, awesome.. it's "wave surround".. only on the right side for now though. Thanks!
[08:47] <LycoN> ok just how do i reconfigure grub
[08:47] <LycoN> terminal command?
[08:47] <cikilin> helloooooooooo
[08:47] <nickrud> LycoN: add the grub stanza at http://pastebin.com/272478 to the end of /boot/grub/menu.lst
[08:47] <forsaker> LycoN: sudo vi /boot/grub/menu.lst
[08:48] <nickrud> the last option when you boot up again will give you back xp :)
[08:48] <LycoN> it better :)
[08:48] <cikilin> is anybody using k3b?
[08:48] <nickrud> LycoN: Works for Me ;)
[08:48] <forsaker> you have to properly check that the root voice is correct
[08:48] <kingsley> Has anyone here tried an HP Color Laserjet 2550 printer?
[08:49] <forsaker> LycoN: you said win is on you second hd
[08:49] <forsaker> right?
[08:49] <LycoN> so i have to add only title root ans savedefault and chainloader
[08:49] <LycoN> yes
[08:49] <LycoN> i will change that
[08:49] <LycoN> hd1
[08:49] <forsaker> yes
[08:49] <nickrud> forsaker: thanks for the catch.
[08:49] <cikilin> how i burn with k3b an iso image on cd?
[08:49] <cikilin> is anybody using k3b?
[08:49] <forsaker> nickrud: ;)
[08:50] <RRubin> crimsun: hrm. today i learn that 'deb' must not have a space in front of it in sources.list :) thx
[08:51] <beggar> cikilin, go to tools->CD->Burn CD image
[08:52] <beggar> than choose the image file
[08:52] <cikilin> i want it iso
[08:52] <blueyed> crimsun, it works. Had to slide "EMU10K1 PCM Send Routing" up.
[08:52] <crimsun> blueyed: good.
[08:52] <blueyed> crimsun, what are the Headphone settings for (LFE 1, 1, Center 1)?
[08:52] <beggar> cikilin, choose ISO9660 Image Files
[08:52] <crimsun> blueyed: headphones? Don't know offhand.
[08:53] <crimsun> RRubin: actually a space doesn't matter.
[08:53] <cikilin> i am doing
[08:53] <RRubin> crimsun: universe packages wernt showing up untill i removed it..
[08:53] <crimsun> RRubin: mine have leading spaces
[08:54] <beggar> but cikilin, k3b auto detects the image file type
[08:54] <RRubin> hm
[08:54] <RRubin> i didnt change anything else
[08:54] <RRubin> maybe it was a tab?
[08:54] <kippi1> has anyone installed sendmail?
[08:55] <crimsun> kippi1: postfix doesn't cut it?
[08:55] <cikilin> k beggar
[08:55] <dataw0lf> hello gents.
[08:55] <kippi1> crimsun: always used sendmail and its what we use at work so would like to see if i can get it working at home
[08:55] <forsaker> mm guys: just wondering about apt.. is there any way to search 4 packages through consol. Something like #apt-get search... or whatever...
[08:56] <topyli> dataw0lf: hello
[08:56] <crimsun> forsaker: apt-cache search <search keywords>
[08:56] <iceman007> apt-cache search *
[08:56] <nickrud> forsaker: apt-cache search
[08:56] <forsaker> wow splendid :D
[08:56] <dataw0lf> sup topyli
[08:56] <forsaker> thank you ;)
[08:56] <kippi1> crimsun: or would you recomend postfix?
[08:57] <LycoN> I'm Back... :/
[08:57] <forsaker> mmm
[08:57] <LycoN> it gave me error 21 does not exsist
[08:57] <LycoN> in my bios i cant change my secdondary drive to say harddrive
[08:57] <LycoN> it says cdrom reader
[08:58] <LycoN> i just want to use lilo
[08:58] <LycoN> i heard that works
[08:58] <LycoN> how do i get it
[08:58] <forsaker> nooo use grub: it rocks!
[08:58] <LycoN> well it doesnt work
[08:58] <LycoN> it does not recognize my sec harddrive
[08:58] <LycoN> do u understand
[08:58] <LycoN> no fix
[08:59] <forsaker> yes you're right ;)
[08:59] <nickrud> LycoN: how about doing ls /dev/hd*
[08:59] <LycoN> doin wat?
[08:59] <nickrud> Make sure that hd1 is the right drive :)
[08:59] <LycoN> i kno it is
[08:59] <LycoN> if i want to use windows i have to switch cables around in my comp
[08:59] <nickrud> if it says cdrom, something fundamental is wrong
[09:00] <LycoN> yes its a dell ;/
[09:00] <dataw0lf> or you have a CD in your tray.
[09:00] <LycoN> no cd
[09:00] <jason> hello
[09:00] <dataw0lf> it's probably erroneously reading that you have a CD there.
[09:00] <LycoN> u might be right
[09:01] <forsaker> mmm... try $ ls /dev/hd* as nickrud said
[09:01] <jason> hoary i386 on howto get a wacom configured + apt-get wacom-kernel-sources - howto use em ????
[09:01] <LycoN> something fallof into my cdrom drive way back it
[09:01] <nickrud> LycoN maybe you should rewrite grub so that xp is always hd0
[09:02] <LycoN> well xp is on hd1
[09:02] <LycoN> not hd0
[09:02] <stevenj> is gftp the recommended FTP client?
[09:02] <forsaker> just a moment
[09:02] <nickrud> LycoN you mentioned moving cables ...
[09:02] <dave__> im having trouble playing my mp3's networked off my win box via xmms on ubuntu, any suggestions?
[09:02] <LycoN> yes
[09:02] <ubuntu> I just downloaded the Ubuntu Live CD, burned it and am now running it and all I can say is "WOW". It's also my first time ever using Linux believe it or not
[09:02] <forsaker> when you say
[09:03] <LycoN> it is really annoying switching cables around
[09:03] <LycoN> like my IDE cables
[09:03] <forsaker> hd1 you mean hd1 in grub's notation, right?
[09:03] <Shavnir> Okay, Shav vs. computer round two :)
[09:03] <nickrud> so when xp boots correctly, it's identified as hd0; the cables say so
[09:03] <LycoN> yes
[09:03] <Shavnir> lspci | grep Unknown returns no less than 15 lines.
[09:03] <forsaker> mm.. ok then
[09:04] <Shavnir> I think the first order of action is to download and install the nForce4 drivers though.
[09:04] <LycoN> ok wait
[09:04] <nickrud> Ok, leave it there, and tell grub what disk and partition ubuntu is. I always leave windows as hd0
[09:06] <senator32> I NEED HELP!!! I am trying to get my 802.11b card working. PCMCIA Siemens SS1021 version 1, has the Prism 2/2.5/3 chipset, ndiswrapper says that it will work with it but i cant find an .inf that will work CAN anyone HELP me
[09:06] <RRubin> senator32: read the list of cards on ndiswrappers website
[09:06] <njan> senator32, if it's prism2/2.5, you shouldn't have to use ndiswrapper.
[09:07] <senator32> really
[09:07] <dave__> im having trouble playing my mp3's networked off my win box via xmms on ubuntu, any suggestions?
[09:07] <senator32> how can i get it to work w/o ndiswrapper
[09:07] <senator32> i read the list and it was listed
[09:07] <dave__> also when i copy stuff onto my flash drive it appears on there but as soon as i take it off its gone
[09:07] <RRubin> dave__: <crimsun> RRubin: see wiki/RestrictedFormats
[09:07] <senator32> and it has the Prism 2/2,5/3 chipset
[09:07] <RRubin> dave__: ubuntu has no mp3 support out of the box
[09:07] <dave__> ta
[09:08] <RRubin> u gotta get it from another mirror
[09:08] <dave__> so how can i get it to work? i have xmms on it now
[09:08] <RRubin> see the wiki
[09:08] <njan> Siemens Speedstream  	802.11b  	1021  	PCMCIA  	Prism2/2.5/3  	
[09:08] <njan> 	Linux-wlan-ng
[09:08] <njan> (http://www.linux-wlan.org/docs/wlan_adapters.html.gz)
[09:08] <senator32> i cant seem to configure the card to work at any rate, is there a module I need to modprobe
[09:08] <njan> yeah, you can definitely use it w/o ndiswrapper, senator32
[09:08] <forsaker> c u folk: goin' to dinner
[09:08] <RRubin> dave__: hrm xmms should work actually
[09:08] <senator32> k
[09:09] <senator32> i have installed linux-wlan-ng
[09:09] <njan> senator32, if you're using hoary, it should pick it up automatically
[09:09] <senator32> i am
[09:09] <senator32> hmmm
[09:09] <njan> senator32, I have a prism2/2.5 card right here which I've just shoved into the machine I'm typing this on (hoary), and it's picked it up straight away
[09:09] <dave__> yeh thats what i thought
[09:09] <senator32> weird
[09:09] <njan> senator32, paste me the output of "ifconfig -a |grep HWaddr"
[09:09] <RRubin> dave__: what exactly happens?
[09:09] <senator32> k
[09:09] <senator32> one sec
[09:10] <dave__> it dont play
[09:10] <dave__> xmms has just crashed
[09:10] <njan> senator32, preferably in private if it's >3 lines long
[09:10] <RRubin> dave__ u switched xmms to use esound outupt plugin?
[09:10] <dave__> just siezed up
[09:10] <dave__> nope
[09:10] <RRubin> try that
[09:10] <dave__> k cheers
[09:10] <senator32> its not
[09:10] <senator32> eth0      Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:D0:59:31:21:93
[09:10] <senator32> thats it
[09:10] <senator32> the card is in and i have a constant link and power light
[09:11] <dave__> how can i kill the xmms thats runnign?
[09:11] <wezzer-_> killall -9 xmms
[09:11] <SkAnker> ...
[09:11] <dave__> cheerss
[09:11] <blahrus> anyone having issues with  blackdown's java build for amd64?
[09:12] <Mipfi> dave__:ps -ax look after the proccess id and kill it with kill proccessid
[09:12] <njan> senator32, => /msg
[09:12] <blueprism> is that apt-get key add
[09:12] <blueprism> thing nessary from the guide ?
[09:12] <blueprism> when adding new repos*
[09:12] <senator32> => /msg eth0      Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:D0:59:31:21:93
[09:12] <senator32> sry i dont use irc much
[09:12] <Amaranth> Hey, the clearlooks developer uses Ubuntu. :)
[09:13] <njan> senator32, no, I meant.. move to the /msg tab which should've opened.. and paste stuff in thre, for the sake of everyone else in #ubuntu ;)
[09:13] <dave__> arrr kool that works cheer rrubin
[09:13] <dave__> also when i copy stuff onto my flash drive it appears on there but as soon as i take it off its gone
[09:13] <Amaranth> Remenic: Hi.
[09:13] <RRubin> take it off?
[09:14] <Remenic> Amaranth: hi.
[09:14] <dave__> unplug it
[09:14] <dave__> usb pen drive
[09:14] <RRubin> oh. prolly write caching
[09:14] <Remenic> Amaranth: I still seeeeeeeeeeee you! >:)
[09:14] <dave__> how i fix it?
[09:14] <RRubin> no clue
[09:14] <dave__> doh
[09:14] <djm62> dave__: right-click on the icon and select unmount before removing
[09:14] <djm62> (from gnome)
[09:14] <blueprism> could someone explain what this apt-get add - is about ? .. it dosent seem to do anythin other than work with stdin
[09:15] <dave__> k ill try that
[09:15] <milez> hello
[09:15] <Remenic> when I go into hibernation mode, I get a black screen... it still hibernates and recovers from it, but I get no visual feedback AT ALL when it's hibernating or coming back from it
[09:15] <milez> is there a reason that apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade fetch no new packages in the last few days? i'm using hoary
[09:15] <jason> helo, any know how to configure a wacom tablet in hoary ?? works but i wanna tweak it
[09:15] <dave__> how do i get back from hibernate also?
[09:15] <djm62> milez: hoary has been released
[09:16] <Remenic> dave__: I just turn the machine back on, and then it'll resume automatically after loading the kernel
[09:16] <djm62> milez: only new packages new are security bugfixes
[09:16] <dave__> this is on a laptop and it stays switched on
[09:16] <milez> djm62, so how do i switch to the new 'unstable'?
[09:16] <milez> does it have a name? :)
[09:16] <djm62> milez: it's called breezy, and I'd give it a couple of weeks to get going...otherwise I think it's on the wiki
[09:17] <djp> any audacity users here? i am having trouble with recording a vocal track alongside anotherr audio track. the vocals sound slow and demonic!
[09:17] <milez> djm62, i see
[09:17] <Shavnir> Hey, what do USB drives appear as in /dev?
[09:17] <djm62> Shavnir: usually /dev/sdaX
[09:18] <dave__> kool the umount thing works will have to remember to do that
[09:18] <milez> djm62, is kubuntu development done in parallel or in the same trunk?
[09:18] <djm62> milez: couldn't tell you
[09:18] <Shavnir> djm62 : What's the filesystem usually used on them?  vfat?
[09:18] <djm62> Shavnir: yes
[09:18] <crimsun> milez: in parallel.
[09:19] <Shavnir> djm62 : Any other random flags I might be forgetting that would prevent this drive from mounting?
[09:19] <crimsun> milez: although yes, the packages are in the same tree.
[09:19] <djm62> Shavnir: it hasn't mounted automatically?
[09:19] <milez> crimsun, so basically i have to switch to breezy to live on the edge again?
[09:19] <crimsun> milez: yup.
[09:19] <crimsun> Shavnir: sudo modprobe sd_mod
[09:19] <milez> would you advise this action?
[09:19] <Shavnir> djm62 : Not that I can tell
[09:19] <milez> for my desktop laptop
[09:19] <crimsun> milez: no.
[09:20] <milez> uh huh
[09:20] <LycoN> how do i change my permission on my floppy so i can write to it?  sudo chown lycon /media/floppy0?
[09:20] <milez> thanks.
[09:20] <blahrus> crimsun: is it safe to switch to breezy yet?
[09:20] <crimsun> blahrus: see two seconds ago.
[09:20] <djm62> Shavnir: when you type "mount" it doesn't get mentioned?
[09:20] <Shavnir> djm62 : Nope
[09:20] <blueprism> crimsun you got any knowlegde of the ubuntuguide.org part about adding repositaries .. and at the last part where i have to add a key ???
[09:20] <crimsun> Shavnir: see one minute ago
[09:20] <blahrus> Cred: sweet deal
[09:20] <blahrus> aklsjdf;
[09:20] <n3> hello again
[09:20] <blahrus> crimsun: sweet deal
[09:20] <Shavnir> crimsun : Didn't say anything
[09:21] <crimsun> blueprism: I don't know anything about ubuntuguide, sorry. I wrote AptAuthenticationInstructionsForHoary on the wiki, though.
[09:21] <crimsun> Shavnir: good. You should be able to access your usb drive now.
[09:21] <Shavnir> crimsun : So its not mentioned in the mount, but the modprobe did something? o.o  I'm confused now.
[09:22] <BadWolf> hello... i'm trying to setup a dhcp server.. but if i want to start it.. i get the following message... No subnet declaration for 192.168.0.1 (0.0.0.0).
[09:22] <BadWolf> No subnet declaration for eth1 (192.168.0.1).
[09:22] <crimsun> Shavnir: it's a known issue for Breezy, should work for Warty and Hoary, though.
[09:22] <BadWolf> any idea?
[09:22] <Shavnir> crimsun : I'm in Hoary.
[09:23] <crimsun> Shavnir: then you're one of the few people for which it doesn't work (I'm also one).
[09:23] <Shavnir> crimsun : Alrighty then ^_^.  In the meantime I'll burn a CD to move these drivers.
[09:23] <thechitowncubs> Does anyone use gnomemeeting?
[09:24] <searcher`> has anyone here seen a hoary update in the last week?
[09:24] <searcher`> i've been checking apt for the last couple of days, but nothing yet
[09:24] <searcher`> seems kinda odd
[09:25] <djm62> searcher`: hoary is now stable...security bugfixes only
[09:25] <crimsun> searcher`: why is that odd? It's frozen.
[09:26] <searcher`> just wondering
[09:26] <searcher`> even warty would have updates now and then
[09:26] <eruin> if you want updates
[09:26] <crimsun> only security for Warty.
[09:26] <eruin> go breezy ;)
[09:26] <searcher`> wondering if my sources.list was allright
[09:26] <searcher`> neh
[09:26] <searcher`> i like stable
[09:26] <eruin> I am, and apart from aspell breakage, it's sweet :)
[09:26] <searcher`> i have the security line, so it should be allright
[09:26] <searcher`> :-)
[09:26] <crimsun> aspell breakage? What sort? Did you file a bug?
[09:27] <eruin> crimsun: yes
[09:27] <superted> does ubuntu work just as good on amd64 as on x86 ?
[09:27] <djm62> I'll go breezy when hoary is noticeably old (which might be when breezy goes gold)
[09:27] <eruin> crimsun: undefined symbols
[09:27] <danwolf> I am having some HAL problems
[09:27] <searcher`> djm62: i'll go to backports when it gets old
[09:27] <m0ngo> good evening... I've mounted a ntfs partition as root... how can I make it possible to read the mounted partition as normal user?
[09:27] <frank__> superted: I have had some problems with amd64
[09:27] <crimsun> backports are a BAD idea.
[09:28] <danwolf> It seems that when I login to gnome, occasionally I get an error Failed to initizlize HAL
[09:28] <searcher`> crimsun: why?
[09:28] <frank__> superted, but I still use it ;)
[09:28] <blahrus> frank__: your not the only one
[09:28] <danwolf> anyone have suggestions?
[09:28] <crimsun> searcher`: what happens when you try to dist-upgrade?
[09:28] <djm62> searcher`: and remember, predictable release cycle...the final weeks before breezy will probably be uneventful
[09:28] <eruin> crimsun: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=9728
[09:28] <blahrus> frank__: not all ununtu fault by anymeans
[09:28] <blueprism> crimsun hm i am looking at your aarticle on the wiki after i did the recv do i need the gpg --armor ?
[09:28] <eruin> "jumped onto a similar bug" more like :P
[09:28] <crimsun> searcher`: if you want new stuff that badly, you should be using the devel branch.
[09:29] <danwolf> I have an ASUS cdrw and a Pioneer DVDrom on the same IDE channel
[09:29] <danwolf> is that a bad thing?
[09:29] <crimsun> blueprism: you'd have to export it in armoured format, yes
[09:29] <frank__> blahrus: where should I post bugs about universe packages not working in amd64?
[09:29] <blueprism> crimsun but when i come to the sudo apt-key add -
[09:29] <blueprism> it just hangs and do nothing ?
[09:29] <searcher`> crimsun: when you dist-upgrade it all goes to hell when using backports
[09:29] <crimsun> frank__: launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone
[09:29] <superted> frank__: what kind of problems?
[09:29] <searcher`> crimsun: that's why i only use single packages
[09:30] <searcher`> say firefox with warty
[09:30] <searcher`> luckily, that's a non-issue now with hoary
[09:30] <blahrus> frank__: what packages?
[09:30] <danwolf> Is it possible to downgrade from Hoary to Warty?
[09:30] <crimsun> danwolf: possible? yes. Advisable? no.
[09:30] <danwolf> haha
[09:30] <searcher`> djm62: the release cycle is one of the things i really like about ubuntu
[09:31] <danwolf> crimsun: I can't find any way to fix my problem
[09:31] <djm62> searcher`: yeah...one of the few bad things about debian
[09:31] <crimsun> danwolf: what problem?
[09:31] <frank__> superted: its annoying to have to set up a chroot to play flash animations and alot of video files
[09:31] <danwolf> crimsun: so I figured it might be worth a try
[09:31] <frank__> blahrus: damn I already forgot the package I was thinking about
[09:31] <searcher`> only thing i noticed about hoary is that my cpu usage goes up to 100% when i copy something
[09:31] <crimsun> frank__: work is progressing on that. One of the Ubuntu developers is working on it.
[09:32] <searcher`> dma enabled and all
[09:32] <Shavnir> Egads
[09:32] <Shavnir> Why is it so hard to boot into a lower initlevel
[09:32] <crimsun> in fact, I believe his MSc thesis is going to be on biarch support.
[09:32] <djm62> :)
[09:32] <searcher`> although i think they just added another top option for I/O Wait
[09:32] <danwolf> crimsun: I get a failed to initialize hal error when I login to gnome
[09:32] <crimsun> danwolf: have you checked bugzilla?
[09:32] <frank__> crimsun: on what? easy chroot?
[09:32] <crimsun> Shavnir: err what?
[09:32] <danwolf> crimsun: it opnly happens occasionally, and sometimes my system will just freeze
[09:32] <tex_> anybody in here install mmplayer on Ubuntu
[09:33] <danwolf> crimsun: I have checked bugzilla, but I cannot find a matching problem
[09:33] <crimsun> frank__: no, biarch support. So you can play your precious Flash games on amd64.
[09:33] <Shavnir> crimsun : I need to get out of x.
[09:33] <frank__> frank: and for some reason dvdauthor segfaults all the time
[09:33] <danwolf> I have found a couple things on google that don't work
[09:33] <crimsun> Shavnir: runlevels have nothing to do with that. sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[09:33] <frank__> crimsun: its not games I need its movie listing at theatre close by!
[09:33] <crimsun> Shavnir: Ubuntu, like Debian, does not play runlevel games.
[09:34] <crimsun> tex_: yes
[09:34] <crimsun> frank__: what, walking is too difficult? ;p
[09:34] <danwolf> any ideaas crimsun ?
[09:34] <frank__> crimsun: damn right
[09:34] <Shavnir> crimsun : Do you know if a standard install of hoary has the kernel source installed?
[09:34] <crimsun> danwolf: not offhand, need more information.
[09:34] <elp> hi i have the following problem... http://rafb.net/paste/results/6jLZwQ20.html .. how to get my dhcpd to run?
[09:34] <crimsun> Shavnir: no.
[09:34] <danwolf> crimsun: I think it has something to do with my cdroms
[09:34] <crimsun> (it doesn't)
[09:34] <tex_> crimsun: how do you do it and get it to play dvds
[09:35] <crimsun> tex_: wiki/RestrictedFormats
[09:35] <Shavnir> Oh god, catch 22.
[09:35] <tex_> crimsun: thanks
[09:35] <blueprism> crimsun argh well i did something wrong it seems :X anyway to reset this key thing
[09:35] <crimsun> Shavnir: why?
[09:36] <danwolf> crimsun: I have a Pioneer DVDrom and a Asus cdrw on the same ide channel and I have another ide channel with a hard drive with winxp on it, and a SARA drive with Ubuntu hoary
[09:36] <Shavnir> crimsun : I need to download a precompiled kernel interface to get my ethernet drivers
[09:36] <danwolf> crimsun: SARA = SATA
[09:36] <crimsun> Shavnir: err, what ethernet drivers?
[09:37] <danwolf> crimsun: it seems that the system only locks up when I am playing music
[09:37] <GhostFreeman> whats the package for JACK server
[09:37] <crimsun> GhostFreeman: jackd, in universe.
[09:37] <stuNNed> what package controls /etc/resolv.conf?  i can't get it to write the nameservers there each time i connect
[09:37] <kippi> is there away i can ping a ip and a port number?
[09:37] <Shavnir> crimsun : The one that lets me use the ethernet ports on my motherboard.
[09:37] <crimsun> stuNNed: there's no one package that does.
[09:37] <GhostFreeman> I dont know why but muse keeps telling me JACK server isnt running
[09:37] <crimsun> Shavnir: and your network chipset is...?
[09:38] <crimsun> GhostFreeman: pgrep jackd
[09:38] <Shavnir> crimsun : I'm borrowing a more standard network card for a sec
[09:38] <stuNNed> crimsun: i messed it up somehow is there a way to reset?  when i run dhclient it doesn't write the nameservers
[09:38] <Shavnir> crimsun : All I know off the top of my head is that its onboard powered by the nForce4 as far as I know
[09:38] <GhostFreeman> ok thanks
[09:38] <stuNNed> crimsun: i was helping troubleshoot the wireless network at school and installed pump and other junk
[09:38] <danwolf> crimsun: any help?
[09:39] <tex_> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats   doesn't exist
[09:40] <ratius> helloe guys, i wanted to know, is there a way to change a package usable only by root so it can be usable by user too?
[09:40] <crimsun> Shavnir: you can use ndiswrapper if you have an .inf
[09:40] <crimsun> tex_: yes it does.
[09:40] <Pluk> tex_, it does here
[09:41] <mikeco>  it exists here in the twilight zone too
[09:41] <crimsun> danwolf: sorry, let me scroll up
[09:41] <mikeco> dun dun dun
[09:41] <danwolf> ok heh
[09:41] <stuNNed> crimsun: how to fix my /etc/resolv.conf so that it writes nameservers when using dhclint? :(
[09:41] <danwolf> how do I scroll up using irssi anyway?
[09:41] <crimsun> page-up
[09:41] <crimsun> pretty intuitive, eh?
[09:41] <danwolf> jesus
[09:41] <edc> ok in slackware to install a package the line is installpkg package.tgz , what's the command in ubuntu to install a .deb package?
[09:41] <danwolf> im an idiot
[09:41] <danwolf> thanks crimsun
[09:41] <Pluk> edc, dpkg -i package.deb
[09:41] <mikeco> haha
[09:42] <crimsun> stuNNed: you're not invoking dhclient manually, are you?
[09:42] <danwolf> now for my other problem ;)
[09:42] <mikeco> you left slackware too?
[09:42] <edc> Pluk, : thanks much
[09:42] <Pluk> yw
[09:42] <Shavnir> crimsun : I have a diffrent card in now.  Its got a NC100 in it now.
[09:42] <LycoN> When i typed sudo lilo i get this error: Name change: '/dev/dm-0' -> '/dev/evms/hda1'
[09:42] <edc> slackware aint 64 bit
[09:42] <danwolf> tex_: that link works here too
[09:42] <mikeco> nope, it is not
[09:42] <crimsun> danwolf: we'd need to see dmesg and lspci -v output
[09:42] <edc> but it took me about 8 hrs of hacking @ ubuntu to get it to run
[09:42] <mikeco> i still have it installed, may boot it in vmware or whatnot
[09:42] <danwolf> crimsun: want me to pm it to ya?
[09:42] <edc> had to redo initrd and the kernel
[09:42] <edc> gonna submit a huge bug report soon as a make a fix
[09:42] <edc> lilo didnt install either
[09:42] <mikeco> mine worked well
[09:43] <crimsun> danwolf: it's better as a bug report on bugzilla, or use pastebin.com
[09:43] <stuNNed> crimsun: yes
[09:43] <cikilin> how i check that i am behind a router?
[09:43] <stuNNed> crimsun: i am invoking dhclient manually
[09:43] <edc> ok, also, how the hell do i get rid of this damn qui so it doesnt start by default, cat find the rc script for it
[09:43] <Jefis> can anyone tell me great audio editor
[09:43] <crimsun> stuNNed: err, why?
[09:43] <crimsun> stuNNed: the instance in /etc/network/interfaces doesn't work?
[09:44] <mikeco> gui?
[09:44] <stuNNed> crimsun: what is that?
[09:44] <crimsun> Jefis: ecasound, audacity, ...
[09:44] <Shavnir> Okay, how do I set this bloody ethernet card up?
[09:44] <crimsun> stuNNed: that's the actual file.
[09:44] <stuNNed> crimsun: ok
[09:44] <LycoN> How can i disahle EVMS?
[09:44] <crimsun> Shavnir: do you have an .inf?
[09:44] <cikilin> how i check that i am behind a router?
[09:44] <Shavnir> crimsun : No, not handy.  It seems to have recognized this device though.
[09:45] <tex_> Ok, I'm totally new to this.. looks like I need xine first. How do I install it?
[09:45] <crimsun> cikilin: ip a show dev eth0|grep inet
[09:45] <tex_> "I just want to play a DVD
[09:45] <mikeco> apt-get install xine-iu
[09:45] <crimsun> tex_: enable marillat, install w32codecs, enable multiverse, install mplayer for your $arch
[09:46] <mikeco> you'll need that
[09:46] <mikeco> too
[09:46] <LycoN> Name change: '/dev/dm-0' -> '/dev/evms/hda1'.  how do i fix that error
[09:46] <edc> ok aint gcc installed by default?
[09:46] <tex_> crimsun: - the restrictedformats wiki is saying xine will do this.. do I really need mplayer?
[09:47] <edc> mplayer is better than xine
[09:47] <crimsun> tex_: I thought you _wanted_ mplayer
[09:47] <tex_> crimsun: - well, I just want whatever will allow me to play a dvd. Someone told me mplayer, but the wiki refers to xine. Either is fine by me :)
[09:47] <edc> also win32 windows reverse engineered propriety codecs aint installed on most linux distrobutions so that copyrights aint violated
[09:47] <cikilin> crisum: so is a router?
[09:48] <cikilin> if i have that?
[09:48] <edc> tex_, : mplayer is better.. trust me its worth the hassle
[09:48] <LycoN> is it safe to disable EVMS?
[09:48] <crimsun> cikilin: if you have what?
[09:48] <blueprism> crimsun hehe doh i figured it out now it all works sorry for the bothering
[09:48] <tex_> ok so.. apt-get install mplayer then?
[09:48] <cikilin> eth0
[09:48] <LycoN> tex
[09:48] <Jefis> there is mplayer??????
[09:49] <LycoN> www.ubuntuguide.org
[09:49] <LycoN> follow step by step
[09:49] <LycoN> so easy
[09:49] <cikilin> crisum:how i check?
[09:49] <linuxbcn> hi all
[09:49] <crimsun> cikilin: I gave you a command to run, remember? :)
[09:50] <danwolf> crimsun: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=9864
[09:50] <cikilin> aha
[09:50] <danwolf> crimsun: can you read that?
[09:50] <cikilin> i type that
[09:50] <Shavnir> Okay, so since my onboard LAN dosen't seem to want to work I've resorted to a terciary ethernet card.  Its an amazingly standard chipset, and I think Ubuntu recognized it.  What next?
[09:50] <crimsun> danwolf: looking
[09:50] <cikilin> crisum: and now?
[09:51] <edc> am so gonna screw this system up
[09:51] <danwolf> crimsun: thanks
[09:51] <edc> dpkg -i -R muhahahhaha
[09:51] <cikilin> crisum:inet 10.9.25.17/16 brd 10.9.255.255 scope global eth0
[09:51] <cikilin>     inet6 fe80::250:22ff:fee5:2f62/64 scope link
[09:51] <edc> ok but why aint development software included? i want to make a kernel and no ncurses no gcc installed by default?
[09:51] <cwarner> do all releases of ubuntu come with the mic volume turned down?
[09:51] <cusco> cikilin: your ip belongs to a internal network
[09:51] <cusco> might or not be a router
[09:52] <fazer> hmm...so all is well
[09:52] <LycoN> HOW to you disable EVMS... Please Help
[09:52] <edc> Shavnir, : ifconfig eth0 up 192.168.0.1
[09:52] <cikilin> k
[09:52] <Shavnir> edc : Worked with a sudo
[09:52] <edc> route add default gw ppp <-- might be very wrong
[09:53] <crimsun> danwolf: your hdd gave some errors
[09:53] <edc> am so so gonna submit around 10mb of bug reports by teusday
[09:53] <danwolf> yeah
[09:53] <danwolf> crimsun: I see tha
[09:53] <tex_> LycoN: - ok, guide is telling me to comment-out the marillat repositories.. thought I needed that for encrypted dvd playback?
[09:53] <crimsun> danwolf: disconnect hdd and see if you can reproduce the symptoms
[09:53] <cusco> cikilin: try to go on http://10.9.255.255 (or whatever default gateway your ip is) if yoi get a webpage asking password then it should be a router
[09:53] <Shavnir> edc : What next?
[09:53] <lsuactiafner> ping something
[09:54] <lsuactiafner> why did you want the eth0 up to start with?
[09:54] <cikilin> cusco: it sais that refused
[09:54] <crimsun> lsuactiafner: Ubuntu is a _desktop_ distro. We don't install development tools by default in a desktop environment.
[09:54] <Shavnir> ?.?
[09:54] <crimsun> lsuactiafner: if you want them, install build-essential and go from there.
[09:54] <cikilin> cusco:The connection was refused when attempting to contact 10.9.255.255.
[09:54] <danwolf> crimsun: I have tried that, and it works kinda, but then my computer locks up more often, and I need to fix the DVD player, not just take it out
[09:54] <lsuactiafner> crimsun, : so there is like no way ppl can compile programs easily without resorting to hacking tactics..
[09:55] <cusco> cikilin: put the ip of your default gateway instead
[09:55] <lsuactiafner> Shavnir, : ping google.co.za
[09:55] <mikeco> uh
[09:55] <crimsun> danwolf: does the dvd drive work in $anotherOS?
[09:55] <mikeco> yeah, you can compile things by installing the dev tools
[09:55] <danwolf> yes, windows
[09:55] <Shavnir> lsuactiafner : ping to google.com gave me "unknown host: google.com"
[09:55] <crimsun> lsuactiafner: not "hacking tactics". It's clearly outlined.
[09:55] <danwolf> crimsun: yes windows
[09:55] <lsuactiafner> crimsun, : there should be an option under expert install to install development software
[09:55] <cikilin> cusco is verry dif. to me :i am a beginer
[09:55] <mikeco> or just install them yourself
[09:55] <lsuactiafner> crimsun, : well i installed using expert mode and nowhere was an option telling me gcc wont be installed...
[09:56] <cwarner> lsuactiafner, whats so hard with installing it yourself?
[09:56] <crimsun> lsuactiafner: file a bug then, but keep in mind that if you're in need of them, you probably know where to ask to find out how to install build-essential
[09:56] <lsuactiafner> ok tell me about build-essential, since i just did cd main/pool/ and dpkg -i -R
[09:57] <crimsun> oh. my. god.
[09:57] <tevaum> hup!
[09:57] <lsuactiafner> that might have been the wrong move..
[09:57] <mikeco> uh
[09:57] <mikeco> apt-get install build-essential.
[09:57] <mikeco> my dog could do it, i think
[09:57] <cwarner> I just used synaptic to install gcc
[09:57] <crimsun> lsuactiafner: yeah, don't dpkg -i -R
[09:57] <cwarner> it worked fine
[09:57] <crimsun> lsuactiafner: use Synaptic, apt-get, aptitude, or dselect to install build-essential
[09:58] <pepsi> cd /etc
[09:58] <lsuactiafner> mikeco, : i use slackware, would be logical if someone used debian
[09:58] <nickrud> I'm trying to help someone get his xp and ubuntu installs booting together, but he has some evms stuff running.
[09:58] <nickrud> I know nothing about that, can someone help
[09:58] <cusco> cikilin: type: route
[09:58] <cikilin> k
[09:58] <danwolf> any more ideas crimsun ?
[09:58] <mikeco> i use slackware
[09:58] <Shavnir> So, uh, my ethernet card can't find google.com.  This is a problem.
[09:59] <slask3n> what is bonobo-activation-server?
[09:59] <crimsun> nickrud: is the evms structure disrupting something?
[09:59] <cwarner> heh
[09:59] <cikilin> done
[09:59] <mikeco> i have since the about oh, 1994
[09:59] <crimsun> Shavnir: is it configured correctly?
[09:59] <cusco> cikilin: the default gateway ip
[09:59] <jazon> hi - I am getting a strange error - I thought I had it figured out, but then I got this.  My problem is that I have no TV-output - it is scrambled.  I know now that it is because it set to PAL, but I can't change it.  I go to ATI control in KDE and I get the following error:
[09:59] <nickrud> haven't a clue, I've never used it, so I don't know where to begin
[09:59] <Shavnir> crimsun : How in god's name am I supposed to figure that out :P
[09:59] <cusco> cikilin: what is it?
[09:59] <crimsun> danwolf: no, but fill out some more info for that bug report.
[09:59] <lsuactiafner> route -n
[09:59] <cikilin> is a *
[09:59] <cusco> cikilin: and under it
[09:59] <danwolf> more info?
[09:59] <cusco> what is there
[09:59] <crimsun> nickrud: then don't worry about it.
[09:59] <danwolf> crimsun: more info
[09:59] <crimsun> nickrud: if it works, leave it alone.
[10:00] <cikilin> 10.9.0.1
[10:00] <jazon> Fire GL Control.  Driver does not provide the FireGL X11 extensions! Panel components will operate only partially.
[10:00] <cusco> on the default line
[10:00] <cwarner> jazon, thats a driver issue you need to find the appropriate documentation for ati
[10:00] <cwarner> jazon, s/for/from ati
[10:00] <crimsun> Shavnir: dmesg|grep eth0
[10:00] <danwolf> crimsun: what info?
[10:00] <jazon> cwarner, what is s/for/from ati
[10:00] <lsuactiafner> route add default gw 192.168.0.1 eth1 | ok make the ip:192.168.0.1 into the ip of the machine connected to the lan
[10:00] <tex_> Ok, the guide isn't working.. apt-get install mplayer-386 dies without installing anything.
[10:01] <Shavnir> crimsun : eth0: forcedeth.c: subsystem: 01458:e000 bound to 0000:00:0a.0
[10:01] <cikilin> cusco:and now?
[10:01] <cusco> cikilin: just put that ip on the web browser... if it asks password chances are that you have a router
[10:01] <crimsun> danwolf: describe your problem, what it does properly in Windows, what it doesn't do in Ubuntu, etc.
[10:01] <Shavnir> crimsun : eth0: no link during initilization
[10:01] <cwarner> jazon, you need to find the appropriate documentation from ati on how their binary driver works and what the appropriate config options would be for x11
[10:01] <lsuactiafner> edit /etc/resolv.conf with     nameserver ip_of_pc_conencted_to_net
[10:01] <crimsun> danwolf: in other words, make it easy for us to help you :)
[10:01] <tex_> also, my sources.list doesn't have the lines mentioned in the guide.
[10:01] <jazon> what is x11 ?
[10:01] <LycoN> tex
[10:01] <crimsun> Shavnir: ...so is a cat5e plugged in?
[10:01] <lsuactiafner> also type ifconfig eth0 to check if eth0 is up
[10:01] <Shavnir> crimsun : Yes, lights a-blinkin'.
[10:01] <LycoN> tex: click on extra repositories
[10:01] <tex_> LycoN: ?
[10:01] <cwarner> sigh.. heh
[10:02] <slask3n> what is bonobo-activation-server under processes in system monitor?
[10:02] <crimsun> Shavnir: did you edit /etc/network/interfaces?
[10:02] <LycoN> tex:  then click on the sample
[10:02] <cikilin> cusco is opening a link
[10:02] <Shavnir> crimsun : Well, I guess my linux telepathy was a bi toff.  I'll go look in there now
[10:02] <LycoN> tex: make that ur sources.lst
[10:02] <danwolf> crimsun: well, I don't know what other infor you might need
[10:02] <crimsun> danwolf: I just told you...
[10:02] <cusco> cikilin: well you have a router then.. wasn't that what you wanted to know?
[10:02] <lsuactiafner> omg i screwed this pc up rofl
[10:02] <danwolf> crimsun: you did?
[10:02] <cikilin> k
[10:02] <crimsun> danwolf: remember, this is a bug report, so it needs to be as detailed as possible.
[10:02] <lsuactiafner> am so so gonna have to start over
[10:03] <crimsun> danwolf: see 2 minutes ago
[10:03] <danwolf> oh I see
[10:03] <cwarner> jazon, https://support.ati.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=894&task=knowledge&folderID=27
[10:04] <Shavnir> crimsun : That file only has two lines, both comments if I'm guesing that's what the # before them means
[10:04] <IRCMark> hi, I need help. Can someone tell me what "acpi=off apm=off" means? what happens if i write acpi=on? and what happens if I write apm=on? what do you suggest me yo do? I hve  laptop and I want to improve the battery time...
[10:04] <cikilin> 10x cusco
[10:04] <crimsun> Shavnir: then you need both lo and eth0 blocks
[10:04] <crimsun> Shavnir: join #flood
[10:04] <lsuactiafner> crimsun : in your experience, do you think the system will be fscked by dpkg -i -R ?
[10:04] <lsuactiafner> or should it still happily run afterwards?
[10:04] <Shavnir> crimsun : Alrighty, I'm there
[10:04] <cwarner> IRCMark, apci and apm are power management modules.. for a laptop you'll most likely want to have one or the other turned on
[10:05] <jazon> cwarner, thanx......
[10:05] <cwarner> IRCMark, here is the specification http://www.acpi.info/
[10:05] <IRCMark> which one do I have to turn on?
[10:05] <cwarner> i'd recommend trying acpi by itself first
[10:05] <crimsun> Shavnir: afterward, sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[10:05] <IRCMark> ok
[10:05] <Shavnir> oka
[10:06] <cwarner> see if that meets your needs there is an interface for linux you could probably read somewhere.. search google
[10:06] <crimsun> lsuactiafner: dpkg -i -R is a bad thing.
[10:06] <cwarner> apm in the main scheme of things is pretty much deprecated.. anyway
[10:06] <tex_> lycon - ok, made it this far: sudo: apt-key: command not found
[10:06] <Shavnir> crimsun : Its taking a while.  Is that normal?
[10:06] <cwarner> I just came here to find out where I can bitch about a minor issue? :) anyone?
[10:06] <pepsi> how do i get the debian menu back?
[10:06] <Hitchhiker90> hi
[10:07] <lsuactiafner> lol
[10:07] <crimsun> pepsi: are menu and menu-xdg installed?
[10:07] <lsuactiafner> rofl
[10:07] <Shavnir> ah, there it went
[10:07] <crimsun> cwarner: depends.
[10:07] <pepsi> crimsun, yes
[10:07] <Hitchhiker90> How can I see a list of applications/programs that I have installed using apt-get or apt-cache?
[10:07] <danwolf> crimsun: ok, I don't know what else I can say
[10:07] <Shavnir> crimsun : Finished.  Pinging google still gives me unknown host
[10:07] <lsuactiafner> i think resolving doesnt work
[10:07] <danwolf> crimsun: I put down all I knew
[10:07] <crimsun> Shavnir: ip a show eth0 |grep inet
[10:08] <lsuactiafner>  edit /etc/resolv.conf
[10:08] <slask3n> does anyone know what bonobo-activation-server under processes in system monitor is? and can i stop this without regretting anything?
[10:08] <djm62> Hitchhiker90: you really want to see them all?
[10:08] <Shavnir> crimsun : Nothin'
[10:08] <cwarner> well i'm sure this is a bug in another distro and it probably is a nitpick.. we had a user complain that an app wasn't working with ubuntu.. specifically gnomemeeting.. it turns out that the volume for his input (mic) in this case was completely turned off
[10:08] <crimsun> slask3n: it's necessary, don't mess with it.
[10:08] <danwolf> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=9864
[10:08] <danwolf> crimsun: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=9864
[10:09] <Hitchhiker90> djm62, no, I'm going to pipe the list into a | grep -i command, but just need the general command to list them all
[10:09] <crimsun> danwolf: yes, I see. Someone will respond.
[10:09] <djm62> Hitchhiker90: dpkg -l
[10:09] <crimsun> pepsi: how did it "disappear"?
[10:09] <danwolf> crimsun: thanks
[10:09] <pepsi> crimsun, im not sure
[10:09] <Hitchhiker90> djm62, that worked like a champ, thank you!
[10:09] <lsuactiafner> crimsun : you from south-africa?
[10:10] <crimsun> lsuactiafner: no, I'm from the USA.
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[10:10] <cwarner> jazon, you should..
[10:10] <jnk> slask3n, "man bonobo-activation-server"
[10:10] <danwolf> jazon: fuckoff winxp
[10:10] <jazon> I have spent about 150 hours trying to make this box work, and i just don't think it's going to be worth it....
[10:10] <djm62> Hitchhiker90: you can also use dpkg to search through installed packages, btw
[10:10] <crimsun> danwolf: language.
[10:10] <Hitchhiker90> cool beans
[10:10] <danwolf> crimsun: oh sorry
[10:10] <cwarner> jazon, if it doesn't work.. go back to win xp..
[10:10] <djp> can anybody help me with an audacity question?
[10:10] <Garathor> Is there any way i can use ISO8859-1 in aterm?
[10:11] <cwarner> jazon, you have to use what works for you right??
[10:11] <jnk> Hitchhiker90, dpkg --get-selections  (dpkg -l truncates the names of the packages I think)
[10:11] <djm62> Hitchhiker90: I realise this is probably a once-or-twice task, but just in case you have to do it refularly
[10:11] <jazon> Its an HP m1080n Media Center - lots of cutting edge type of hardware....
[10:11] <tex_> Ok, if apt-key doesn't exist... I need to ____?
[10:11] <crimsun> tex_: are you using Hoary?
[10:11] <tex_> Warty
[10:11] <jazon> cwarner, yeah, but it sucks.  I REALLY like ubuntu
[10:11] <crimsun> tex_: that's why it doesn't.
[10:11] <jnk> Hitchhiker90, if you want the names only, you can do "dpkg --get-selections |  cut -f 1"
[10:11] <cwarner> jazon, ati video cards aren't cutting edge at least not in the context of linux
[10:11] <crimsun> tex_: it doesn't apply to you.
[10:11] <regeya> really, it's rude to go about saying "whelp, guess I'm going back to WinXP" as a means of getting help.
[10:11] <tex_> crimsun: thanks
[10:11] <GUISlave> jazon- why not dual boot?
[10:12] <regeya> trolling-as-attention-getter == rude
[10:12] <jazon> cwarner, the pci-e technology is new.
[10:12] <cwarner> jazon, not for linux
[10:12] <djm62> jazon: if the hardware won't work without serious love....it's only economic to stay on another platform
[10:12] <kev__> i've got some serious problems with my desktop's wireless card (dlink dwc-520 rev e) and using hostap with ubuntu 5.04. anyone familiar with it, building kernels, etc?
[10:12] <Hitchhiker90> alrighty
[10:12] <djp> i appear to only be able to record a vocal track with an audio track if i select stereo. in mono the audio sounds correct but the vocals sound slow and inaudiable
[10:12] <jazon> GUISlave, yeah, I've thought of that.... but... i was really hoping to get mythTV working.  We use the computer a LOT in that regards
[10:12] <crimsun> Shavnir: double-check the network cable
[10:13] <tex_> crimsun: - what about the part of the guide that tells me to comment out the lines for the marillat ftp?
[10:13] <cwarner> jazon, there is probably nothing in that machine linux can't currently handle.. not even your video card
[10:13] <Shavnir> crimsun : It hasn't been touched since this machine was working in Windows yesterday.
[10:13] <crimsun> tex_: I don't know anything about ubuntuguide, sorry.
[10:13] <tex_> I see
[10:13] <jazon> well...... what about usr 5420 USB wifi
[10:13] <jazon> or the tv card
[10:14] <jazon> or the philips ir remote control
[10:14] <kev__> anyone successful with getting kernel module hostap and hostap_pci to build?
[10:14] <jazon> or the i915P intel High Def audio
[10:14] <cwarner> jazon, nope nope and nope
[10:14] <crimsun> and nope.
[10:14] <crimsun> though if you're resourceful, the i915 does work.
[10:14] <jazon> yeah, i have that working.... ;) (mostly
[10:14] <tex_> crimsun: - still bombing with multiple errors on apt-get install mplayer-386
[10:15] <cwarner> i'm sure you could get the tv card and ir remote control working those don't sound special to me
[10:15] <crimsun> tex_: Warty?
[10:15] <jazon> that and i also have an HP jornada that i use a lot
[10:15] <cwarner> the usb wifi i'm not sure i haven't been really following usb kernel stuff
[10:15] <jazon> also a panasonic D-Snap SD video camera
[10:15] <tex_> crimsun: - afaik it's warty warthog. How can I verify this..?
[10:15] <crimsun> tex_: you need my repo. deb http://sh.nu/~crimsun/ ./
[10:15] <jazon> it uses proprietary s/w and codecs (i learn NOW)
[10:16] <Nermal> tex_: comment out unstable and testing ?
[10:16] <sjmorgan> can somebody please help me to get my usb keyboard working?
[10:16] <crimsun> tex_: what cpu?
[10:16] <kev__> anyone familiar with building kernels that can help me for a bit? i'm new to the devian world -- but have 5+ years experience with mdk.
[10:16] <jazon> can you serve a web page with windows like you can with linux?
[10:16] <sjmorgan> my ps2 one broke so i plugged this one in, reconfigured X but it still doesn't work at all
[10:16] <cwarner> jazon, well thats not good.. one could reverse engineer that stuff but its 2005.. why waste the time
[10:16] <Nermal> kev__: why do you need to ?
[10:16] <tex_> crimsun: - P4
[10:16] <jazon> thats really a nice feature
[10:16] <crimsun> kev__: you don't need kernel source, you need linux-headers-$(uname -r) and build-essential
[10:16] <djm62> jazon: yeah, you can run apache on windows, even (I think)
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[10:16] <Shavnir> I'm gonna grab some lunch.
[10:17] <jazon> well, i hafta go do the dad thing.... thanks guys - ttyl
[10:17] <kev__> nerma / crimsun: i've got a (shitty) wireless nic (dlink dwc-520 rev e1) that only works using hostap. but ubunto 504 doesnt ship the hostap modules. so i've go the hostap source and am trying to build the module from it. however, it complains that it can't find the kernel's .config.
[10:18] <slappy16> rerun make config
[10:18] <frank__> What do you amd64 people use as a versatile media player?  VLC  is the best I found yet by far.
[10:18] <kev__> nerma / crimson: i'd rather not rebuild a kernel (unless i have to) as the one shipped works just great. so i need the corresponding .config that was used to build the shipped kernel. can you tell me where to get it?
[10:18] <tex_> and this line is disturbing me..  Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21) but 2.3.2.ds1-13ubuntu2 is to be installed
[10:19] <lsuactiafner> kev__, : one shipped is never as good as a custum hardware specific kernel
[10:19] <crimsun> kev__: you don't need kernel source. Read what I said above...
[10:19] <djp> any audacity users here?
[10:19] <cwarner> why would one need the source? you just need the headers to compile a module
[10:20] <kev__> crimsum: so remove the linux-source packages, then install linux-headers-... and build-essential?
[10:20] <darGor> anyone knows how to install the bar ( i saw it in too much screenshots on web) which shows me hd info, memory info, users connected etc... ???
[10:20] <eruin> darGor: that's probably gdesklets
[10:20] <crimsun> kev__: it's not necessary to remove linux-source-2.6.10, but you do need to install build-essential and linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[10:20] <kev__> crimsum: great, thanks. i'll  try it right now...
[10:21] <fazer> crimsun: remarkably, i was able to get my sound working!
[10:21] <djm62> darGor: I suspect you want gkrellm
[10:21] <whendrik> Is it correct is recieve no updates for the last 4 days??
[10:21] <fazer> crimsun: and... i don't even know wtf I did!
[10:21] <djm62> whendrik: yes, hoary is frozen
[10:21] <lsuactiafner> >> Unable to find the Ncurses libraries.
[10:21] <whendrik> Where can i read more about that?
[10:22] <crimsun> tex_: apt-get install mplayer-586=1.0-pre6a-0.0
[10:22] <whendrik> just started to like it
[10:22] <darGor> djm62: mm the bar which shows me total info of computer, partitions ,etc etc
[10:22] <lsuactiafner> and apt-get install build-essential depends on the generic kernel which doesnt boot correctly.
[10:22] <crimsun> whendrik: Hoary receives no updates except for security.
[10:22] <lsuactiafner> crimsun, : mplayer pre7 is out
[10:22] <crimsun> lsuactiafner: um
[10:22] <darGor> eruin: gdesklets is only for desktopp themes, right ??
[10:22] <Zugot> how do you backup your home directory?
[10:22] <crimsun> lsuactiafner: 1) that's great, but I didn't backport pre7, I backported 6a.
[10:23] <crimsun> lsuactiafner: 2) build-essential has nothing to do with a kernel image
[10:23] <fazer> what's the difference between mplayer and vlc?
[10:23] <lsuactiafner> Zugot : tar -jcfv backup.tar.bz2 /home/user
[10:23] <Zugot> interesting
[10:23] <Zugot> i'm using rar
[10:23] <lsuactiafner> mplayer is the most popular player.. therefore the best.
[10:23] <crimsun> fazer: two different players
[10:23] <lsuactiafner> bz2 compression is beter
[10:23] <Zugot> my backup harddrive is formatted as fat so i can use it in windows
[10:24] <lsuactiafner> crimsun : it does..
[10:24] <crimsun> lsuactiafner: stop making ill-informed comments, please.
[10:24] <Zugot> compression is cool...  but fat has a 2GB file limit
[10:24] <Zugot> and i'm not running compression
[10:24] <Zugot> i think i'm going to rebuild my laptop and use lvm
[10:25] <fazer> crimsun: any difference performance-wise?
[10:25] <eruin> Zugot: use fat32
[10:25] <crimsun> fazer: no idea
[10:25] <SirFred> Hi.
[10:25] <Zugot> eruin: isn't fat32 still limited by 2GB files?
[10:25] <tex_> crimsum - ok, that was as close as I've gotten so far. Single error is: mplayer-586: Depends: libpostproc0 (>= 0.90rc4) but it is not going to be installed
[10:25] <fazer> crimsun: ah, btw, how do I take a screenshot in xfce? or do i launch the gnome screenshot taker?
[10:25] <resiak> scrot!
[10:25] <SirFred> I've seen that there were no updates to hoary in some days.
[10:25] <crimsun> SirFred: that's correct. There are no updates.
[10:26] <crimsun> SirFred: it's frozen, aka stable.
[10:26] <SirFred> Humm, stable.
[10:26] <Zugot>  /dev/sda1 on /media/sda1 type vfat
[10:26] <Zugot> SirFred: you can always move to breezy
[10:26] <SirFred> crimsun: I suppose there're bugs around .
[10:26] <crimsun> SirFred: there are always bugs.
[10:26] <Zugot> i wish ndiswrapper would stop crapping out
[10:26] <SirFred> crimsun: They' ll never go
[10:26] <SirFred> Oops
[10:26] <SirFred> crimsun: They'll never get fixed on hoary?
[10:26] <ailleantsian_> i wish ndiswrapper would at least work for me
[10:27] <spiderworm> SirFred:
[10:27] <crimsun> SirFred: only security and major fixes that don't kill other things.
[10:27] <john_u> exit
[10:27] <SirFred> OK.
[10:27] <spiderworm> SirFred: theyll be fixed in the other releases
[10:27] <thechitowncubs> how can i install kernel headers for hoary?
[10:27] <SirFred> Is there any roadmap or something similar to Breezy ?
[10:27] <crimsun> fazer: any number of ways. I prefer ,,import'' from imagemagick
[10:27] <SirFred> Is there any roadmap or something similar for Breezy ?
[10:28] <slask3n> how do i exit manpages in console?
[10:28] <crimsun> SirFred: not yet, UDU is coming up
[10:28] <beggar> "q"
[10:28] <fazer> crimsun: aah... does it save in a png or jpeg?
[10:28] <SirFred> crimsun: What UDU means?
[10:28] <slask3n> thanks :)
[10:28] <crimsun> fazer: whatever extension you specify
[10:28] <crimsun> SirFred: Ubuntu Down Under, aka the developers' conference.
[10:28] <pepsi> crimsun, running update-menus and relogging in fixed it
[10:28] <fazer> crimsun: oh thanks
[10:29] <crimsun> pepsi: ok.
[10:29] <kev__> given a file, how can i determine which deb it belongs to?
[10:29] <tex_> crimsun: - sorry to keep pestering you with this.. did you see my last line about the libpostproc0 error?
[10:29] <SirFred> crimsun: Thanks a lot.
[10:29] <jnk> kev__,  dpkg -S file
[10:29] <crimsun> kev__: dpkg -S somefile, or use packages.ubuntu.com
[10:29] <fazer> crimsun: I am guessing that imagemagik isn't installed?
[10:29] <thechitowncubs> what is the package for kernel headers?
[10:29] <cusco> I installed unrar from apt.. but I don't know how to use it... how do I extract a .rar file?
[10:29] <crimsun> thechitowncubs: linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[10:29] <ailleantsian_> is there anyway to forse ubuntu to see a device ?
[10:29] <tex_> cusco: - unrar x filename.rar
[10:29] <jnk> cusco, unrar or unrar-nonfree ?
[10:29] <cusco> jnk: unrar
[10:30] <jnk> ailleantsian, what do you mean
[10:30] <lsuactiafner> ok, ncurses-devel is needed to make menuconfig
[10:30] <ailleantsian_> well it wont detect my wlan card
[10:30] <crimsun> tex_: do you have debian-marillat enabled, too?
[10:30] <Anubis> so my ubuntu won't boot up all the way if it can't sync with the ubuntu ntp server?
[10:30] <tex_> crimsun: - pretty sure, I'll check..
[10:30] <Anubis> Seems odd no?
[10:30] <crimsun> Anubis: sure it will boot
[10:31] <tex_> crimsun: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat stable main
[10:31] <Anubis> crimsun, trust me, it reboto once it can't reach the server
[10:31] <tex_> as well as stable main and testing main
[10:31] <Anubis> thus no desktop
[10:31] <Anubis> until it can
[10:31] <jnk> cusco, then it's "unrar file" or "unrar -x file"
[10:31] <djm62> Anubis: it could take time...
[10:31] <Anubis> it REBOOTS my machine
[10:31] <Anubis> it takes no time
[10:31] <jnk> cusco, but you need unrar-nonfree to unrar recent rar files (I think)
[10:31] <djp> any audacity users here tonight?
[10:31] <Anubis> it just loops
[10:31] <Anubis> and loops
[10:31] <spiderworm> where can i download individual breezy packages?
[10:31] <Anubis> and loops
[10:31] <crimsun> djp: please ask in audacity's irc channel.
[10:32] <Anubis> until the network comes back
[10:32] <crimsun> spiderworm: archive.ubuntu.com. It's not recommended
[10:32] <djm62> Anubis: why do you think it's ntp?
[10:32] <spiderworm> crimsun: i just want an updated scorched3d binary :)\
[10:32] <Anubis> because at that point it reboots
[10:32] <Anubis> and once it can reach the server
[10:32] <crimsun> spiderworm: bad idea.
[10:32] <Dekkard> any beagle gurus?
[10:32] <Anubis> it ten goes on to start gdm and so on
[10:32] <spiderworm> crimsun: why's that?
[10:32] <Amaranth> Anubis: If it can't reach the ntp server it sits for 40 seconds waiting for a timeout then continues booting. If your machine is doing something else (without you touching anything) file a bug report.
[10:32] <djp> crimsun: sorry, didn't realise there was one! is it on freenode #audacity?
[10:32] <crimsun> spiderworm: it's built with a new toolchain.
[10:32] <spiderworm> oh
[10:33] <stuntgp2000> hello everyone
[10:33] <Anubis> Amaranth, yeah. mine is doing something else
[10:33] <crimsun> spiderworm: you may as well just dist-upgrade to Breezy.
[10:33] <Anubis> its not waiting and then continuing
[10:33] <spiderworm> weeeelll mebbe i'll just compile from source
[10:33] <Anubis> a bug report
[10:33] <Anubis> ugh I hate that answer
[10:34] <spiderworm> crimsun: dist-upgrade to breezy?  is that safe?
[10:34] <crimsun> spiderworm: sure
[10:34] <fazer> hmm
[10:34] <Anubis> hitting the ubuntu ntp server is really unnessacary no?
[10:34] <crimsun> spiderworm: safe? yes. recommended? not now.
[10:34] <fazer> whats better than gaim?
[10:34] <crimsun> tex_: what error?
[10:34] <sig> fazer: a glass of beer
[10:34] <fazer> sig: but...seriously...
[10:34] <spiderworm> crimsun: thanx for the advice, i'll compile it from source i suppose
[10:34] <sig> nothing IMO
[10:34] <djm62> fazer: gaim is pretty much the best
[10:34] <tex_> crimsun: mplayer-586: Depends: libpostproc0 (>= 0.90rc4) but it is not going to be installed
[10:34] <crimsun> Anubis: not unnecessary but good practise.
[10:34] <Zugot> what kernel is everyone running?
[10:35] <crimsun> 2.6.10-34
[10:35] <stuntgp2000> I am new to Ubuntu & Linux, I've just knew that Firefox 1.0.3 is out, I need to install it, please can anyone help me in doing that ?
[10:35] <fazer> djm62: damn, it sucks =( you can't set your avatars though =/
[10:35] <beggar> can i resize my / partition without losing data?
[10:35] <crimsun> stuntgp2000: you _need_ to install it or you _want_ to install it/
[10:35] <djm62> fazer: you can...
[10:35] <Zugot> beggar: most likely not
[10:35] <sig> beggar: yes
[10:35] <fazer> djm62: oh...how?!
[10:35] <djm62> fazer: if avatar is what I think it is
[10:35] <beggar> so....?
[10:35] <Anubis> where is the bug report tool?
[10:35] <Marble2> how come I keep getting this?
[10:35] <Marble2> greg@Greg:/files $ sudo chown greg:greg /files/torrents
[10:35] <Marble2> chown: changing ownership of `/files/torrents': Operation not permitted
[10:35] <Anubis> thought there was one in gnome?
[10:35] <sig> beggar: http://ubuntuguide.org/#gparted
[10:35] <beggar> yes..no?
[10:36] <beggar> tks sig
[10:36] <zerokarmaleft> Marble2, add -R
[10:36] <sig> beggar: yes
[10:36] <sig> read that link
[10:36] <ups> stuntgp2000: you don't really need it, some of the security fixes of .3 are already in the ubuntu firefox, and if there are some which aren't, they will be soon
[10:36] <fazer> djm62: yeah, that picture thingy beside the icon..
[10:36] <sig> install gparted and do it
[10:36] <Marble2> thanks
[10:36] <beggar> yes..i've gparted ...but... i have to unmount?...
[10:36] <isam> everytime I install a new kernel, grub looses my settings, and rebuild menu.lst .. is there a way to have certain entries persistent, and not have new kernel installation flush my settings and entries
[10:36] <Marble2> zerokarmaleft: tried that, didn't work
[10:36] <blueprism> anyone has any suggestion for a msn client these days
[10:36] <spiderworm> crimsun: crazy idea, you think i could download the debian binary from the scorched3d website and install it on ubuntu 5.04?  would that work?
[10:36] <stuntgp2000> thanks for the clarification
[10:36] <djm62> fazer: you want to change yours, or that of the people on your buddy list?
[10:37] <crimsun> spiderworm: possibly, but I don't know.
[10:37] <fazer> djm62: change mine
[10:37] <tex_> crimsun - did you see that error message?
[10:37] <crimsun> stuntgp2000: wait for a security update.
[10:37] <djm62> fazer: in your account information it's called "buddy icon" and you can load it from a file
[10:37] <crimsun> tex_: yes, I'm extremely busy. Please be patient.
[10:37] <tex_> I see that. Thank you...
[10:37] <fazer> djm62: ah, awesome
[10:37] <kev__> is there an yeasy way to add new mime types to gnome/evolution?
[10:37] <IRCMark> hi, I have a problem. When I try to shut down my laptop the words "Shutting Down LVM Volume Groups" appear on the screen and suddenly teh screen becomes black and nothing more happens. The only thing that I can do I to shut down my laptop form the power button. How can I solve this problem?
[10:37] <tex_> ubuntu has gained popularity quickly ;)
[10:38] <beggar> sig, how can i resize my root partition without unmounting?
[10:38] <zerokarmaleft> Marble2, sudo chown -R greg:greg /files/torrents?
[10:38] <zerokarmaleft> Marble2, is /files/torrents/ the full path?
[10:38] <djm62> fazer: now you see...gaim _is_ the best ;)
[10:38] <fazer> djm62: checking if it does it for the MSN ;)
[10:38] <slappy16> why lvm on a laptop?
[10:38] <djm62> it does (I use it)
[10:38] <fazer> djm62: AWESOME
[10:39] <Marble2> zerokarmaleft: ye
[10:39] <IRCMark> slappy16: I don't know why
[10:39] <Marble2> it's the full path
[10:39] <stuntgp2000> but can you tell how can it be installed, because I need to apply its method of installation on other apps
[10:39] <Marble2> and that was the command
[10:39] <martin> hello, my amaroK won't work with any of the soundsystems.. does everyone a solution?
[10:39] <djm62> martin: are you on KDE?
[10:39] <thechitowncubs> I was wondering how to get amarok to work with gnome also
[10:39] <pepsi> i installed the eagle package, pcb layout tool.. it installed without a problem, but when i try to run it, it says i need libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3
[10:40] <Zugot> beggar: i still don't believe you will be able to shrink your / even with gparted...
[10:40] <ups> stuntgp2000: what do u mean u want to apply its method on other apps?
[10:40] <crimsun> tex_: try changing the debian-marillat reference from stable to testing
[10:40] <pepsi> installing the libstdc++6 package didnt help
[10:40] <slappy16> if you dont need it, just remove it from whichever runlevel you boot into
[10:40] <fazer> dfdu
[10:41] <IRCMark> slappy16: so, what do I have to do?
[10:41] <crimsun> pepsi: that's because that's the wrong package.
[10:41] <IRCMark> slappy16: from which file?
[10:41] <crimsun> pepsi: you want libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2
[10:41] <beggar> Zugot, and with a external partition tool ?
[10:41] <danwolf> crimsun: hey, just figured out that when I get the error Failed to initialize hal when logging into gnome, if I killall dbus-daemon-1, I can at least get into gnome
[10:41] <slappy16> is there rcconf, or you can find out your runlevel with cat /etc/inittab
[10:41] <djm62> thechitowncubs: amarok-gstreamer might help you
[10:41] <zerokarmaleft> Marble2, not sure what could be causing the failure, that's a pretty simple operation
[10:42] <slappy16> id:3:initdefault:  look for a line like that, the number will be your runlevel
[10:42] <stuntgp2000> I mean if I know how to install firefox which i've downloaded from Mozilla site, I can do the same for Gaim
[10:42] <IRCMark> #ubuntu-it
[10:42] <slappy16> then go into /etc/rc#.d and rm S##lvm
[10:42] <IRCMark> ok
[10:42] <slappy16> thats the painful way
[10:42] <IRCMark> i'll try
[10:42] <spiderworm> question, if i already have a package installed via apt, is it safe to download the source code for the application and compile and install it to my system, or should i unistall the package via dpkg first?
[10:42] <slappy16> go rcconf
[10:42] <jnk> kev__, I think you can associate an application easily, but not edit existing mime types
[10:42] <djm62> martin: amarok-gstreamer allows amarok to play through gstreamer libs
[10:42] <zerokarmaleft> Marble2, hmm...try putting /files/torrents/ instead of /files/torrents
[10:42] <tex_> crimsun: - well, the testing ref. was in there, but I commented out the stable, unstable refs. Now it looks like it is going to go for it..
[10:42] <fazer> mhmm
[10:43] <tex_> crimsun: - fingers crossed
[10:43] <pepsi> crimsun, thanks... who can i tell about that package depending on libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2?
[10:43] <martin> yes, i've got gstreamer libs but it won't work
[10:43] <crimsun> pepsi: what package?
[10:43] <jnk> spiderworm, if possible you should use the source of the ubuntu package, not the upstream source. Then change what you want and make an ubuntu package from it
[10:43] <pepsi> eagle
[10:43] <ups> stuntgp2000: it might mess up the system if u try it, and especially since you're new to linux, i think you should try to use the official packages
[10:44] <IRCMark> but what's the use of lvm?
[10:44] <spiderworm> jnk: hmmm ok... where would i get the source of the ubuntu package i want?  it's prolly in breezy universe
[10:44] <pepsi> its just a matter of making the libstc-foobar a dependency, right?
[10:44] <ups> stuntgp2000: anyway, the installation for firefox & gaim differs i think
[10:44] <crimsun> pepsi: I'll fix it in a sec.
[10:44] <Unipa1> Hi, does somebody use the vnc or realvnc package from ubuntu?
[10:44] <jnk> spiderworm, just use "apt-get source package-name", it'll download and uncompress in current directory
[10:45] <jnk> you need a source line in /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:45] <danwolf> crimsun: that give you any ideas?
[10:45] <slappy16> LVM allows you to create disk volumes
[10:45] <crimsun> danwolf: not atm, no. Kinda busy.
[10:45] <ups> stuntgp2000: so you have to follow the individual software instructions, as given on their sites
[10:45] <stuntgp2000> it seems to me what I need is not how to install sth, but how does Linux work :)
[10:45] <slappy16> sorta like raid, but no redundancy
[10:45] <ups> stuntgp2000: but i would recommend against it
[10:45] <spiderworm> jnk: that worked, thanx, now what do i do with the package?
[10:46] <ups> stuntgp2000: ah alright
[10:46] <jnk> spiderworm, suppose you're in the source directory, and have installed fakeroot, I think you can compile by doint: "fakeroot debian/rules binary"
[10:46] <Unipa1> Hi, does somebody use the vnc or realvnc package from ubuntu?
[10:46] <slappy16> dunno. man vnc
[10:46] <slappy16> i should stfu
[10:46] <_-InMa-_> buenas noches, bona nit, good night
[10:46] <slappy16> but there is a link usually
[10:46] <ups> stuntgp2000: in general you can either install from pre-compiled packages, or build from source yourself
[10:47] <slappy16> in the man page
[10:47] <jnk> spiderworm, but you should install the build dependencies to be able to build
[10:47] <slappy16> is anyone else here scared about debian/ubuntu?
[10:47] <slappy16> because i lub debian...
[10:48] <slappy16> i'd hate to see a fork
[10:48] <Harpi> hi
[10:48] <jnk> spiderworm, for example the developements files for GTK, etc..  I think you can do "apt-get build-deb package-name" to get all necessary dependencies
[10:48] <slappy16> so many forks in the world
[10:48] <slappy16> ...
[10:48] <spiderworm> jnk: i can do that.  fakeroot debian/rules binary, that's it?
[10:48] <nickrud> slappy16, troll ?
[10:48] <djm62> slappy16: I don't think a fork would help anyone
[10:48] <Zugot> jnk... thats build-dep
[10:48] <slappy16> im not trolling
[10:48] <jnk> Zugot, oops yes :)
[10:48] <pepsi> crimsun, also, i had to chmod +x /usr/bin/eagle
[10:48] <slappy16> i just like to see peoples opinions
[10:48] <Unipa1> what is a fork?
[10:48] <stuntgp2000> in my case I've downloaded firefox-1.0.3.installer.tar.gz from mozilla site, what it is it, it a pre-compiled or a source ?
[10:48] <Harpi> can someone explain me why my laptop's ventikator is always high running on ubuntu
[10:49] <Harpi> ??
[10:49] <jnk> spiderworm, if it works it should create a .deb bin the parent directory
[10:49] <ompaul> Unipa1, context?
[10:49] <slappy16> a fork is when you split efforts in a package
[10:49] <Harpi> ventilator
[10:49] <Zugot> debian moves at a snail's space
[10:49] <ompaul> Unipa1, forked process - software package?
[10:49] <spiderworm> jnk: and i just install that with dpkg, right?
[10:49] <slappy16> ya, so they lag at release
[10:49] <Zugot> but ubuntu needs debian...
[10:49] <slappy16> theres always apt
[10:49] <Zugot> or do they?
[10:49] <ups> stuntgp2000: since it's an installer, it is pre-compiled
[10:49] <slappy16> yes, i understand that too
[10:49] <danwolf> gotta go to work
[10:49] <djm62> ubuntu could even speed up debian
[10:49] <nickrud> Zugot: yes, yes, yes, and again
[10:49] <Zugot> ubuntu has intertia and money on its side.
[10:49] <slappy16> but what makes it nice is that you maintain whatever package you claim
[10:49] <jnk> spiderworm, yes, but dpkg won't install necessary dependencies... maybe build-dep installed them though ?
[10:50] <djm62> as a "working unstable" distro
[10:50] <slappy16> that is true too..that guy is rich
[10:50] <Zugot> debian has stability and a plethora of arch's
[10:50] <Unipa1> slappy is saying that he hates forks. So what is a fork?
[10:50] <Zugot> i like ubuntu
[10:50] <crimsun> Zugot: ubuntu and debian are both necessary.
[10:50] <spiderworm> jnk: im hoping the deps will not need to be updated from what they are now
[10:50] <jnk> spiderworm, I mean, dpkg won't work if dependencies are not already installed
[10:50] <slappy16> its clean, i like the 5.04
[10:50] <Zugot> crimsun: in their own ways yes
[10:50] <Zugot> just like there is a place in the world for rhel
[10:50] <NotANick> slappy16: but debian and ubuntu are different OS's...its not really a fork
[10:50] <slappy16> so if i run sarge can i apt-get a package intended for ubuntu?
[10:50] <vessuvius81> Does anyone know a good calendar program for ubuntu?
[10:51] <Zugot> NotANick: not really true.   they aren't differences... you can't apt-get to ubuntu from sarge
[10:51] <stuntgp2000> Ok problem N1 solved now, how could i insatll a pre-compiled firefox ?
[10:51] <djm62> Unipa1: a fork is when somebody takes all the code, and starts developing their own version, which means people have to choose between them and it takes twice as mcuh work
[10:51] <slappy16> i still like cal
[10:51] <nickrud> slappy16: right now, maybe. Hopefully, etch, yes
[10:51] <\sh> vessuvius81: evolution (gnome) or kontact (kde)
[10:51] <NotANick> slappy16: they're bound to split paths even more in the future as ubuntu furthers in development
[10:51] <crimsun> pepsi: real name, please.
[10:51] <slappy16> i see, thanks for the input
[10:51] <Zugot> my damn home directory is 28GB
[10:51] <Zugot> thats crazy
[10:51] <fazer> How do I make sure my Ubuntu installation is secure?
[10:51] <jintxo> hi I'm looking for suggestions for a mailing-list software (mailman or majordomo orsomething of the sort) I would like it to take little effort as far as administration goes (instalation is no problem) any suggestions?
[10:51] <Resonant> stuntgp2000 its not recommended you DO install a pre-compiled firefox from the MZF.
[10:52] <djm62> the Xorg fork was a Good Thing
[10:52] <Zugot> i think i'll install amd64 linux
[10:52] <slappy16> heh
[10:52] <Unipa1> djm62: Thanks. Is this also the case with Kubuntu?
[10:52] <slappy16> deb installs Xfree
[10:52] <ompaul> Zugot, remove isos and oggs and what would you have left?
[10:52] <Zugot> let me go download ubuntu amd64
[10:52] <slappy16> fed went xorg
[10:52] <nickrud> djm62: why I'm here, really
[10:52] <djm62> nickrud: really? how so?
[10:52] <GUISlave> who created xorg?
[10:52] <slappy16> i do really like xorg
[10:52] <Harpi> i have a samll matter gnome i can't get on my desk after the loading step abox message tell me "can't initialize HAL" and then nothing else i have to reboot my computer...do u have any idea ??
[10:52] <nickrud> that, and waiting for beagle
[10:52] <Zugot> xorg is just a bridge
[10:53] <Zugot> wait till kdrive is released.   it should be way better than xorg
[10:53] <slappy16> hal needs 2.6, i think
[10:53] <slappy16> hal..thats funny
[10:53] <slappy16> sounds windowish
[10:53] <joshua__> if you do a chmod u+w, u is the user that owns the file right?
[10:53] <Harpi> i have gnome 2.8
[10:53] <djm62> Unipa1: I'm not sure what the precise relationship is with kubuntu...
[10:53] <Unipa1> Hello, I tried Kubuntu AMD64. It works as good as Ubuntu AMD64
[10:53] <Zugot> ompaul: i don't understand?   what are you asking?
[10:53] <Zugot> i have amd64 laptop
[10:53] <stuntgp2000> can know why ? Please be patiant with me. I've really found Ubuntu wonderful.
[10:53] <jnk> fazer, don't have open ports and keep up-to-date with security updates ?
[10:53] <ompaul> slappy16, you should watch the film 2001 and meet the first HAL who would not let dave to that :)
[10:54] <Harpi> no idea ??
[10:54] <ompaul> Zugot, in terms of what occupies the home directory
[10:54] <slappy16> seen it,the beginning is sooo slow
[10:54] <slappy16> dave.  dave?
[10:54] <Zugot> ompaul: isos for about 3 different distros... the kde source tree and other projects
[10:54] <jnk> joshua__, yes
[10:54] <joshua__> jnk:  Thanks.
[10:54] <nickrud> kjm62: bottom line? I can run sid, I want people to not run sid.
[10:54] <Zugot> ompaul: and porn
[10:54] <Harpi> any solution ?
[10:55] <ompaul> Zugot, so really that should be in /usr/local/porn /usr/local/isos :)
[10:55] <Pluk> :P
[10:55] <djm62> nickrud: so it is ubuntu as "sid for dummies" ;)
[10:55] <jnk> Harpi, maybe try and upgrade hal-related packages ?
[10:55] <Zugot> ompaul: most likely...
[10:55] <slappy16> so whats the prob harpi? you cant startx or it wont boot?
[10:55] <Harpi> i have already done so ...
[10:55] <nickrud> djm62: no, debian for today's users.
[10:55] <theine> Hi, is /dev/dvd created by udev?
[10:55] <kev__> are there known problems with the ubuntu 5.04 installer and existing software raid 1 partitions?
[10:55] <djm62> nickrud: yes...tongue was firmly in cheek
[10:55] <IIIEars> Hello!
[10:55] <ompaul> slappy16, the guy HAL does not want to turn off the power source
[10:56] <Harpi> the matter is that i don't anything on my desk
[10:56] <slappy16> so are you in a vterm now or are you in gnome now?
[10:56] <slappy16> ompaul: HAL was the computer, right?
[10:56] <jnk> theine, I think everyting you have in /dev is created by udev...
[10:56] <Harpi> the matter is that i don't have anything on my desk
[10:56] <nickrud> djm62: I'm actually pretty good at jokes, but I just failed helping someone. A little so serious a the moment :)
[10:56] <slappy16> ohhh...sorry, i wont know, then.  I dont know gnome
[10:56] <Harpi> under windows sorry ...
[10:56] <IIIEars> how do i install a tarball downloaded to the desktop?
[10:56] <slappy16> ohhh
[10:56] <ompaul> slappy16, yes now if you write down the letters of the english alphabet and look at IBM what is beside them?
[10:56] <slappy16> wait, in gdm?
[10:57] <jnk> Harpi, can you login as another user ?
[10:57] <Harpi> no
[10:57] <ompaul> slappy hi ab lm
[10:57] <tex_> crimsun: thanks a lot for the help...mplyer is working now although without any sound
[10:57] <jnk> IIIEars, what's the tarball if not indiscrete?
[10:57] <slappy16> hah..nice!
[10:57] <IIIEars> firestarter
[10:57] <Zugot> ompaul: write down the same english letters and look at WNT... what is next to that?
[10:57] <tex_> one problem at a time i suppose
[10:57] <pepsi> crimsun, my real name?
[10:57] <fazer> jnk: how do I know which ports are open?
[10:57] <joshua__> Is there any real advantage to upgrading to hoary now that it's out?
[10:57] <jnk> Harpi, same problem with all users ?
[10:58] <kev__> ie, during the 'partition disks' part of the install it detects 2 raid partitions and then creates 2 raid devices -- and there should only be one. then when i choose 'finish partitioning and write changes to disk' the screen just refreshes -- it doesn't move forward
[10:58] <Harpi> yes !!!!
[10:58] <theine> jnk, i'm asking because /dev/dvd does not exist on one of my hoary installs (which used to be a warty install) while it does exist on a fresh hoary install on the same machine...
[10:58] <Harpi> and i can't do anything
[10:58] <Harpi> only...reboot
[10:58] <slappy16> can you startx from a console?
[10:58] <Harpi> no
[10:58] <ompaul> Zugot, I must be asleep I forgot that one - Digital VMS :)
[10:59] <slappy16> what do you get?
[10:59] <IIIEars> firestarter-1.0.3.tar.gz
[10:59] <Harpi> but x work well
[10:59] <slappy16> can you ~/.xinitrc exec something else and startx?
[10:59] <Harpi> i have installed kde
[10:59] <slappy16> so exec kdm(?)
[10:59] <Harpi> and kde runs but not gnome
[10:59] <jnk> fazer, fazer  surely there is a command or a file for that in /proc or something, but I don't know it. You can install nmap and do "nmap localhost" :)
[10:59] <slappy16> i lub ice
[11:00] <fazer> jnk: oh, haha yeah, i remember that when watching matrix =/
[11:00] <djm62> fazer: you can also use netstat -l
[11:00] <jnk> fazer, lol
[11:00] <fazer> djm62: ah yeah, thank you.
[11:00] <martin> now it works. i've installed ALL packages with the word "gstreamer" in it :-)
[11:00] <jnk> djm62, ah thanks!
[11:00] <IIIEars> It isn't easy being a new linux user - grin
[11:00] <martin> does everyone know which OUTPUT PLUGIN is the best?
[11:01] <jnk> martin, not you it seems
[11:01] <jnk> (sorry)
[11:01] <IIIEars> how do i install a tarball downloaded to my desktop?
[11:01] <Harpi> well i m gone come back and boot with kde
[11:01] <beggar> there is any function in gimp to add tranparency to an image?
[11:01] <jnk> IIIEars, install firestarter through synaptic if the version suits you
[11:01] <djm62> IIIEars: open up a terminal...
[11:01] <Albacker> instal :S tarballs ?
[11:02] <djm62> beggar: transparency is "Alpha" in gimp terminology
[11:02] <jnk> beggar, you can add an alpha channel
[11:02] <jnk> martin, output for what ?
[11:02] <IIIEars> i can easily use alt+CTRL+F@ to login as root i just don't seem  to be allowed to cd to the usr desktop
[11:02] <martin> output plugin with gstreamer for amaroK
[11:02] <jnk> that's audio ?
[11:02] <beggar> yeah....tks djm62 / jnk
[11:02] <martin> there are so many.. are there big differences between them?
[11:03] <IIIEars> apt-get can't find firestarter
[11:03] <cusco> does anyone in here uses gmailfs?
[11:03] <cusco> cusco@cusco:~$ fusermount: old style mounting not supported
[11:03] <djm62> IIIEars: Mene: Applications->System Tools->Terminal
[11:03] <slappy16> apt-cache search <package>
[11:03] <jnk> martin, some examples?
[11:03] <djm62> IIIEars: then cd Desktop
[11:03] <martin> oss, alsa, esd,
[11:03] <djm62> IIIEars: oh!  remember it's all case-sensitive, "desktop" is not "Desktop"
[11:03] <martin> artes
[11:03] <IIIEars> adding the repository to synaptic doesn't seem to work for me either.
[11:03] <martin> arts
[11:03] <jnk> IIIEars, firestarter is in universe
[11:04] <jnk> enable this, then update and it must work
[11:04] <djm62> .me shuts up
[11:04] <stuntgp2000> thanks everyone, bye & see you soon
[11:04] <IIIEars> okay i'll give it another shot - Thank You :)
[11:04] <kij> xhat is the command to know fps ?
[11:04] <djm62> kij: you want glxgears
[11:05] <kij> yes thx
[11:05] <djm62> kij: although glxinfo will give you more detailed (and possibly more confusing) output
[11:05] <kij> thx
[11:06] <resiak> cusco: You're even in here...
[11:07] <jnk> martin, you're using kde ?
[11:07] <Zotnix> Hrm?
[11:07] <crimsun> tex_: pkill esd, or use mplayer -ao esd
[11:07] <Zotnix> Oh
[11:07] <Zotnix> There is a martin in here.
[11:07] <Zotnix> jnk: You scared me for a second :p
[11:08] <kij> moadib
[11:08] <cusco> resiak: yes, altho I got no answer
[11:08] <resiak> cusco: Nor did you get an answer on #debian :)
[11:08] <cusco> thank you
[11:09] <danwolf> hmm
[11:10] <martin> yes
[11:10] <martin> i'm using kde
[11:11] <martin> ZOTNIX, JNK: i'm using kde
[11:11] <jnk> martin, kde uses arts (or at least it did when I looked) so it must be the right choice...
[11:11] <slappy16> hah!
[11:11] <jnk> martin, you can use 'ps' to check whether arts (artsd ?) is running
[11:12] <femv> hi people... how can i make gnome to run an script before shutting down ????
[11:12] <martin> yes, it's artsd
[11:12] <jnk> so go with that
[11:12] <nickrud> femv: drop a script in /etc/init.d/, and man update-rc.d (credit crimsun)
[11:12] <martin> thx
[11:13] <fazer> Hmm, how would I make my Ubuntu use 16 bit color instead of 24 or whatever it is currently using?
[11:13] <Shavnir> Okay, my internet still isn't working
[11:13] <djm62> femv: before shutting down GNOME or before shutting down the computer?
[11:13] <martin> ps only prints THAT out:
[11:13] <martin>   PID TTY          TIME CMD
[11:13] <martin> 22192 pts/0    00:00:00 bash
[11:13] <martin> 22203 pts/0    00:00:00 ps
[11:13] <femv> djm62 before shutting down gnome
[11:13] <jnk> fazer, look at /etc/X11/xorg.conf (or XF86Config-4 for warty)
[11:14] <eruin> martin, try 'ps x | grep arts'
[11:14] <Zugot> femv: look in the gnome session manager
[11:14] <Shavnir> Any advice?
[11:14] <djm62> martin: ps aux will do the lot
[11:14] <fazer> jnk: ah, awesome. thanks.
[11:14] <martin> is that correct?
[11:14] <martin> 21487 ?        S      0:20 artsd -F 10 -S 4096 -r 48000 -s 60 -m artsmessage -c drkonqi -l 3 -f
[11:14] <femv> zugot, in the session manager i can see a setup to run programs an startup.. but at shutdown?
[11:14] <martin> or does this mean arstd is running
[11:14] <jnk> Shavnir, what's the problem ?
[11:15] <Shavnir> jnk : Well, it dosen't work.  That seems to be the problem :p
[11:15] <Shavnir> jnk : There's a DHCP here on campus, but it isn't getting an IP from it
[11:15] <Zugot> femv: oh... i run kde, i really didn't know.   i figured that would be a good place to start
[11:15] <Shavnir> I put in a temporary ethernet card so I can eventually download the precompiled kernel interface so the nvidia drivers can install
[11:15] <fazer> jnk: wait, where do I set the bit?
[11:15] <Shavnir> But the other card, despite appaering and seeming to be configured right isn't working
[11:16] <fazer> jnk: oh wait, i think i found it
[11:16] <martin> is that correct JNK?
[11:16] <martin> 21487 ?        S      0:20 artsd -F 10 -S 4096 -r 48000 -s 60 -m artsmessage -c drkonqi -l 3 -f
[11:16] <jnk> martin,  yes AFAIK
[11:16] <IIIEars> Back. - I want to install firestarter-1.0.3.tar.gz and have copied it to /tmp and created a directory in /tmp called firestarter is ./configure the next command?
[11:16] <nickrud> femv: just what is it this script does for you?
[11:16] <martin> thx
[11:16] <martin> what does AFAIK mean?
[11:16] <Dekkard> as far as i know
[11:17] <jnk> IIIEars, really you should use the ubuntu package if possible, is there a reason no to ?
[11:17] <djm62> femv: yes...this isn't something people need to do usually
[11:17] <IIIEars> i am in the new firestarte  directory
[11:17] <femv> nickrud, djm62 , ... i want to deactivate network interfaces before shutting down gnome...
[11:17] <slappy16> can you still not apt it?
[11:17] <djm62> IIIEars: in that directory, if you type ls, you will see files like INSTALL and README
[11:17] <IIIEars> i would prefer that - didn't know there was one - apt-get didn't find it and it wasn't listed in synaptic
[11:18] <jnk> IIIEars, enable universe
[11:18] <fazer> jnk: so, when I have done the necessary changes, do i reboot or just log out and log back in?
[11:18] <GhostFreeman> why is it every time I create a right click menu, GNOME shrinks a pixel on my monitor
[11:18] <eruin> IIIEars: you need the universe repository enabled
[11:18] <GhostFreeman> and when I click out, it goes back to its original shape
[11:18] <jnk> fazer, try logging out... or even go to a console and start a second X
[11:18] <fazer> jnk: i think I will log ut.  ttyl.
[11:18] <djm62> GhostFreeman: man, I don't think you're ghost-free anymore
[11:19] <GhostFreeman> ...
[11:19] <nickrud> femv what interfaces do you want to shut down?
[11:19] <jnk> lol
[11:19] <GhostFreeman> what's up with that, all
[11:19] <jnk> Shavnir, have you tried a static ip ?
[11:19] <SeamusLP> GhostFreeman:  Are you on drugs?
[11:19] <Shavnir> jnk : Well, given that I'm 100% positive the campus uses DHCP for assigning IP addressess, no
[11:20] <GhostFreeman> No
[11:20] <femv> nickrud, djm62 : my problem is that having network interfaces active makes my computer to splash an anoying error message at boot time. doing a ifdown eth0 and ifdown wlan0 makes the splash less anoying... i was thinking of writting an script to do this for me
[11:20] <djm62> GhostFreeman: are you sure it does that, rather than just appearing to do that?
[11:20] <jnk> Shavnir, this is usually not a problem, especially if you choose an ip outside the dhcp range
[11:20] <IIIEars> okay - i will enable "Universe" in synaptic - just curious now (probably not the last tarball i will use) i will use synaptic - just curious can you walk e through the steps to install from a tarball?
[11:20] <eruin> anyone know a way to make shortcuts (recursively) to all binaries named 'foo' in a directory ?
[11:20] <GhostFreeman> yeah, i'm pretty sure
[11:20] <GhostFreeman> would monitor make help?
[11:20] <Shavnir> jnk : But I won't be able to access the network unless I'm inside the DHCPs range right?
[11:21] <jnk> IIIEars, the right thing to do with a tarball is reading INSTALL and README :)  usually you have to run ./configure, make, sudo make install
[11:21] <djm62> GhostFreeman: not really, because that sounds completely wack
[11:21] <Shavnir> Plus I just don't get why it isn't working.
[11:21] <GhostFreeman> it pans out also, its like something going on in my monitor or something
[11:21] <Shavnir> I had a similar chipset of network card in my old PC a couple years back running debian and it picked right up on it :\
[11:21] <eruin> IIIEars: normally, the standard procedure would be to get the tarball in your home dir, then running 'tar zxvf tarball.tar.gz', cd 'tarball', './configure', 'make', 'make install'
[11:21] <GhostFreeman> Where would I file a bug report? X.org? GNOME? Ubuntu?
[11:21] <djm62> femv: when you say "splash"...what do you mean
[11:21] <jnk> Shavnir, now you should have access to the network if you use an ip that is part of the network, but you won't automatically get the dns server addresses
[11:21] <eruin> IIIEars: but as jnk says, alway read README and INSTALL files ;)
[11:22] <slappy16> amean
[11:22] <Shavnir> jnk : Well, to be honest I don't know the range of IPs that the DHCP uses.  And I don't know how to setup a static IP
[11:22] <slappy16> amen
[11:22] <jovian> I was wondering how I can COPY files from a local ntfs disk mounted on an ubuntu live cd to a full ubuntu install on a ext3 disk?
[11:22] <IIIEars> ah "sudo" make install - got it - Thanks again. :) Ubuntu is terriffic
[11:22] <jovian> is it possible
[11:22] <jnk> GhostFreeman, ubuntu
[11:22] <djm62> femv: edit /etc/network/interfaces so that your external interfaces don't come up "auto" (lo should be left as it is)
[11:22] <jnk> GhostFreeman, they will forward upstream if necessary
[11:22] <GhostFreeman> alright
[11:22] <femv> nickrud, djm62 : its just an error messages that shows up a lot of times ... "cs : pcmcia_socket0: unable to apply power" i have days asking everybody around and havent find a solution
[11:23] <NotANick> GhostFreeman: I think its time to lay off the Ketamine...Thats how I got my monitor to stop doing that
[11:23] <Shavnir> Also, anyone know if its possible to download the precompiled kernel interface on another computer and move it via CD to an ubuntu machine?
[11:23] <nickrud> femv, don't know pcmcia.
[11:23] <Shavnir> (re: nVidia drivers)
[11:23] <djm62> femv: oh....that's a weird one....that happens before init starts doesn't it?
[11:23] <tm17h> Hey all -- at some point in the last month or so, automounting of USB devices stopped happening automagically on my ubuntu box (perhaps when I moved to hoary(?)). Can any one give me some pointers as to where to start looking for the problem?
[11:23] <jnk> Shavnir, look at the ip from another computer on the network. Choose you ip with the same xxx.xxx.xxx  (change only the 3 last digits). Run for example: ifconfig eth0 up xxx.xxx.xxx.yyy
[11:24] <femv> djm62, the thing is that i want them to be enabled when i turn on my laptop.... i did erase the auto thing... but that is why i need the scripts
[11:24] <slappy16> tm17h: anything in dmesg? is automounter runing?
[11:24] <slappy16> you can still mount by hand?
[11:25] <tm17h> slappy16: Yes I can still mount by hand. Devices show up when I plug them in -- e.g. tail var/log/messages shows me if it's on sdb or sda or whatnot, I can then mount with sudo mount /dev/sdb /media/usb/
[11:25] <djm62> femv: it's not important that you _disable_ them....just as long as they aren't enabled when you boot up?
[11:25] <Shavnir> jnk : Okay, I did that.
[11:25] <GhostFreeman> that's odd, restarting GNOME fixes it
[11:25] <femv> djm62, that happens at boot time while configuring network interfaces, yes it is weird... and its more weird when you realize that it has to do with dhcp
[11:25] <GhostFreeman> anyways, filing bug report
[11:25] <slappy16> whats in /etc/auto.master?
[11:25] <jnk> Shavnir, now try pinging the other computer...
[11:26] <Shavnir> jnk : Destination host unreachable
[11:26] <tm17h> slappy16:  /etc/auto.master doesn't exist.
[11:26] <slappy16> does the new kernel from the install support autofs?
[11:26] <slappy16> ahh, if its the automounter im thinking of, it looks there..
[11:26] <jnk> Shavnir, do you have several network interfaces ?
[11:26] <femv> djm62, if i have them disabled at boot up.... or if i asign them an static ip... the error message appears just a couple of times... and becomes less anoying
[11:26] <danwolf> HAL SUCKS!!
[11:26] <Shavnir> jnk : Four currently.
[11:26] <slappy16> maybe someone here could correct me if im mistaken
[11:26] <danwolf> haha
[11:26] <Shavnir> jnk : Of which one was recognized by Ubuntu :\
[11:26] <slappy16> i havent autofs'd in ubuntu/deb
[11:26] <tm17h> slappy16: That would explain it then. Now the question is what package should be providing that file -- hmm... anyone remember the magic with dpkg -S that will tell me what package provides a file?
[11:27] <djm62> femv: in that case...you could add the appropriate ifconfig command to your gnome session so it happens when you log in
[11:27] <Shavnir> jnk : Two onboard gigabit ethernet that I can't get the nForce drivers to install for, a 802.11g card, and the 10/100 card I'm using so I can hopefully download the stuff to use the onboard two.
[11:27] <femv> djm62, i can activate them when my session starts... true... but they will still be activated at boot up ?
[11:27] <Reblended> giving live cd a boot on my sony vaio... I have  "boot: live pci=noacpi" and it is halting at the line: ACPI: Subsystem revision 20050211
[11:27] <danwolf> Shavnir: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=9864
[11:27] <djm62> femv: not if you use ifconfig
[11:28] <Shufla> hello :)
[11:28] <jnk> Shavnir, eth0 is the 10/100 card ?
[11:28] <Shavnir> jnk : I think so?
[11:28] <jnk> Shavnir, we'll try in pv
[11:28] <femv> djm62, well that sounds like heaven to me.... tell me more about this ifconfig
[11:28] <djm62> femv: it will happen if you actually configure them in gnome...that (I think) changes the config file
[11:28] <Shufla> i'd like to say, that d-i with soft-raid + lvm runs fine :D but i've got badblocked disks :(
[11:28] <Shufla> btw. what is the best for soft-raid-1: two disk on same cable or two disks on diffrent cables?
[11:29] <edc> ifconfig eth0 up ip     where ip is the ip you want to assign it
[11:30] <edc> route add default gw ip eth0        where ip is the gateway's ip
[11:30] <jnk> tm17h, dpkgk -S filename  ? but if it's not here maybe the package is not installed
[11:30] <djm62> femv: dhclient eth0 will get an address from DHCP for you
[11:31] <edc> ok when i cd /usr/src/linux to compile a kernel i do make menuconfig and get the error:
[11:31] <tm17h> jnk: Right -- I thought there might be some magic to figure out *which* package isn't installed based on the filename I know ought to exist.
[11:31] <edc> /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lncurses
[11:31] <edc> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
[11:31] <femv> so how should i write that out ....... the ifconfig thing
[11:31] <Shufla> jnk: there's apt-ftp package to search for files in not installed packages
[11:31] <jnk> tm17h, not with dpkg then. Some apt tool I don't know which
[11:31] <edc> i did do apt-get install build-essential already
[11:31] <djm62> femv: working it through ATM
[11:31] <jnk> Shufla, thanks :)
[11:31] <femv> djm62 atm ?
[11:31] <Shufla> n/p :D
[11:32] <djm62> femv: at the moment
[11:32] <djm62> anyone: does dhclient eth0 automatically bring the interface up?
[11:33] <jnk> djm62, no
[11:33] <tm17h> jnk: Perhaps apt-cache search or some such... I'll give it a go and see if I have any luck.
[11:33] <nickrud> tm17h: http/debian.org/distrib/packages, search contents in unstable.
[11:33] <jnk> djm62, well not sure anymore but it would be strange since dhclient doesn't need ifupdown
[11:33] <dazed> hallo all
[11:33] <jnk> djm62, well what do you mean by "interface up" ?
[11:34] <nickrud> right now, it's about 99.44% accurate :)
[11:34] <slappy16> ifconfig -a
[11:34] <dantheman> what bittorrent clients do you all use?
[11:34] <cusco> does anyone uses gmailfs?
[11:34] <slappy16> if its status is up or down
[11:34] <goldfish> azureus
[11:34] <cusco> cusco@cusco:~$ fusermount: old style mounting not supported
[11:34] <dantheman> i don't like the gnome-btdownloader
[11:34] <Shufla> btdownloadcurses :D
[11:34] <danwolf> gmailfs?
[11:34] <danwolf> cusco: whats that?
[11:34] <djm62> jnk: if typing "ifconfig" only shows lo, and you're plugged into a DHCP network, if you type "dhclient eth0" will ifconfig then show lo and eth0
[11:35] <cusco> danwolf: its to use gmail acount to store files
[11:35] <Reblended> I'm trying to boot the LIVE CD of Hoary... I have "boot: live pci=acpi"  and everything seems to load until the line ACPI: Subsystem revision 20050211 then it stops. Any ideas?
[11:35] <jnk> djm62, ah yes!
[11:35] <djm62> (I've only done this on wireless, which is slightly different)
[11:35] <tz273> Hi! Please help me! I would like to save my iptables config on a brand new ubundu, but i can't find /etc/init.d/iptables. I had it on my debian
[11:35] <jnk> djm62, but if eth0 is not  listed by ifconfig maybe you're missing a module
[11:35] <slappy16> tm17h: did you find what you were looking for?  what was that flag for dpkg you were looking for?
[11:36] <djm62> jnk: it's not me, it's femv, and I think that's the solution to his problem
[11:36] <jnk> djm62, (if dhclient succeeds then eth0 will definitely be listed by ifconfig)
[11:36] <slappy16> tz273: /etc/init.d/ is the script to start it...it does not hold iptable configs
[11:36] <djm62> femv: there....add "dhclient eth0" to your gnome session
[11:36] <tz273> slappy16: I want to save the config i just created.
[11:36] <slappy16> if you have a machine w/ a good config running now, just iptables-save/restore it
[11:37] <djm62> femv: and it shouldn't persist across a reboot, so it (hopefully) will do what you want
[11:37] <Reblended> if anyone has an idea about my problem, feel free to /msg me
[11:37] <femv> djm62, it would be system > preferences > sessions ... and then ?
[11:37] <tz273> slappy16: So, you say, if i asked iptables to restore a config, it remains active at the nex reboot?
[11:38] <slappy16> you need to save that output to a file.. i havent iptabled in quite some time
[11:38] <tm17h> slappy16: dpkg -S will search for a file, but of course the file I'm looking for isn't installed, so that didn't help me yet :) Looks like the file you're thinking of is provided by utils/autofs in debian unstable. Not sure if that's the normal "ubuntu" way to handle this or not. With warty, it all just worked(tm) after my base "click ok to everything" install.
[11:38] <djm62> femv: Default : Edit
[11:38] <Zugot> i finally got my setup working.... if i'm plugged into the network, my laptop will dhcp off the ethernet.   if there is no link, my laptop will try to find all the wifi networks it knows about, if that doesn't work, it dials up using my wireless verizon broadband card.   this kicks ass
[11:38] <Reblended> btw, this live cd I burnt worked fine on another computer, I'm just missing something on this other one
[11:38] <djm62> femv: d'oh, talking monkeys
[11:38] <IIIEars> Firestarter firewall is "Active" - that was almost too easy - grin
[11:38] <nickrud> Zugot: network nirvana, eh?
[11:39] <tz273> slappy16: OK, thank you! Just let me ask a last question: What sould i tell iptables, if i want it to forget all the filters i just added?
[11:39] <goldfish> IIIEars: heh
[11:39] <djm62> femv: "startup programs" tab, +Add
[11:39] <lsuactiafner> tz273, : as far as i know you need to put each iptable command in a file and run it @ bootup or whenever
[11:39] <lsuactiafner> tz iptables -F
[11:39] <femv> djm62, ok so that should activate my connecction right?
[11:39] <tz273> lsuactiafner: thx
[11:39] <Zugot> nickrud: yup..   i just want to be able to connect where ever i may happen to be at any point in time
[11:39] <slappy16>   --flush   -F [chain]           Delete all rules in  chain or all chains
[11:39] <nickrud> I need a laptop :)
[11:40] <djm62> femv: that should activate your connection when you log into gnome
[11:40] <lsuactiafner> iptables -F
[11:40] <tz273> Thank You!
[11:40] <lsuactiafner> iptables -t nat -F
[11:40] <lsuactiafner> iptables -t mangle -F
[11:40] <slappy16> ahh, thats right lsuactiafner
[11:40] <lsuactiafner> i got a nice script for you if you want
[11:40] <slappy16> nice
[11:40] <Zugot> i need a laptop with 1600x1200 resolution
[11:40] <femv> djm62, great im gonna try that out brb
[11:40] <slappy16> last time i iptabled, i just used shorewall
[11:40] <lsuactiafner> but you will need to patch your kernel to use it, but its dynamic and very very effective for home users
[11:40] <nickrud> Zugot: lottery money, huh?
[11:40] <Reblended> Zugot, My sis's is 1600x1050.. it's great
[11:40] <tz273> lsuactiafner: what kinf of script? I jut want to masquarade a subnet to a pppoe connection
[11:41] <lsuactiafner> yeh it should also do it, but i as i said you will need to patch your kenrel for it, can you do that?
[11:41] <Zugot> nickrud: nah... i'm always on my laptop.   it should have good resolution
[11:41] <ips> Hello, anyone knows how to have a different background for each desktop in gnome 2.10??
[11:41] <Zugot> i'm gonna get the thinkpad t42p
[11:41] <Zugot> i think it does 1600x1200
[11:41] <djm62> I'm still getting used to 1024x768
[11:41] <Reblended> Zugot, HP P4ht 2.3
[11:42] <nickrud> Zugot: right now for me that'd be lottery money :)
[11:42] <Reblended> and everything works!
[11:42] <Zugot> i have 1280x800 right now, and it feels like i'm missing something
[11:42] <Reblended> LOL
[11:42] <IIIEars> i would like to install clam anti virus. what packages do i need?
[11:42] <nickrud> Zugot, my are we particular.
[11:42] <Reblended> the full meal deal
[11:42] <tz273> so, thank you i leave for reboot.
[11:42] <Zugot> nickrud: do you code?
[11:43] <lsuactiafner> IIIEars, : goto freshmeat.net search for the name of the package you want, ie, clam and then check the dependancy list there
[11:43] <nickrud> Except for personal bash, not for a couple of decades.
[11:43] <njan> Zugot, 1680x1050 is all I ever dreamed for :)
[11:44] <CarlK> I am trying to hookup a HP deskjet 3320 - add new printer doesn't detect it - so I need to tell what port it is on - lsubs sees it at bus 1, device 2 -  what "usb printer #" is it?
[11:44] <lsuactiafner> 2 i think
[11:45] <CarlK> also, any idea if/how I can use a  Kodac EasyShare printer?
[11:45] <dragonman> hello everyone i need some help i'm installing gentoo and cant get past the "livecd" "root#" everytime i try a password get an error, any ideas
[11:46] <slappy16> hah..wrong group
[11:46] <Abood> djm62, hello again dude
[11:46] <slappy16> whoa.thats fast, too
[11:46] <djm62> Abood: what up?
[11:46] <slappy16> gentoo's got awesome docs, man
[11:46] <joshua__> dragonman:  I beleieve theres a #gentoo on this server.  They'd be able to help you
[11:46] <CarlK> dragonman - I have done it - Generally Too much trouble ;)
[11:46] <Marble2> Why am I getting this error when I run sudo chown -R greg:greg /files/torrents? chown: changing ownership of `/files/torrents': Operation not permitted
[11:46] <slappy16> ya, and read the docs!
[11:46] <whiteknight_> hey everyone
[11:46] <jnk> dracflamloc,  ask in #gentoo
[11:46] <djm62> gentoo?
[11:46] <\sh> hehe
[11:46] <\sh> #gentoo ;)
[11:46] <jnk> dragonman, that is
[11:46] <slappy16> emerge land
[11:47] <Abood> djm62 same proplem dude, but now i entered the desktop with the VGA depth 4 and resolution the lowest ?!?
[11:47] <dantheman> does anyone know why totem movie player would choke on an mpg?
[11:47] <slappy16> its nice that they have a portage
[11:47] <Reblended> is there another way to disable acpi in addition to using pci=noacpi? My live cd stops loading and seems to ignore that I've told it not to use acpi?
[11:47] <joshua__> dantheman:  Totem sucks. ;)  Try out vlc or gxine
[11:47] <dantheman> alright
[11:47] <Zugot> Marble2: maybe /files/torrents is on a RO filesystem... what happens when you type "sudo touch /files/torrents/test"
[11:47] <Greek0> hi
[11:47] <slappy16> i cant believe they force me to use fedora at work...IT SUCKS
[11:47] <Reblended> on xp vlc has played files that win media player wouldn't touch
[11:48] <\sh> 1. livecd (standard) 2. stage1 tar.bz2 3. www.gentoo.org -> gentoo install handbook 4. working gentoo
[11:48] <Greek0> is there a way to get past versions of packages in ubuntu?
[11:48] <djm62> Abood: can you restate your problem for the benefit of the smart people here?
[11:48] <Marble2> Zugot: I mounted it as rw
[11:48] <Marble2> any other ideaS?
[11:48] <CarlK> Reblended - i don't think you need the pci= part
[11:48] <slappy16>  Reblended: i've had the same experince!
[11:48] <Rotund> slappy16: I have to use XP...  shut it
[11:48] <Zugot> does the touch command work?
[11:48] <joshua__> VLC is great.  I only use gxine for wmv files because of the w32codecs package
[11:48] <Reblended> slappy16, ooh!
[11:48] <slappy16> hah..
[11:48] <Reblended> CarlK, gonna go try that!
[11:48] <Marble2> Zugot: no output, but no erros
[11:48] <Marble2> maybe it's because /files is mounted to something else
[11:48] <Marble2> would that matter?
[11:48] <dantheman> can someone tell me what apckages i'll need for vlc, besides just the vlc package?
[11:48] <Zugot> what does the mount look like?
[11:48] <Marble2> if a subfolder is mounted somewhere else?
[11:48] <slappy16> you win rotund
[11:48] <Marble2> /dev/hdc1 on /files/torrents type vfat (rw)
[11:49] <joshua__> dantheman:  just apt-get install vlc
[11:49] <Zugot> oh... of course that won't work..
[11:49] <Zugot> duh
[11:49] <joshua__> dantheman:  It has support forst just about alla udio by default..just no wmv
[11:49] <Zugot> vfat doesn't hold uid/gid
[11:49] <dantheman> alright, thanks
[11:49] <Rotund> slappy16: Yeah, but I win because I'm writing tests for a program where the developers use Linux.
[11:49] <Abood> djm62, sure, another thing can u tell me how i can connect my ADSL eth1 to be connected with the net i need many stuff to start config
[11:49] <Marble2> Zugot: I was able to chown other vfat stuff?
[11:49] <slappy16> hahaha
[11:49] <Zugot> mount it using -o uid=<yer uid>, gid=<yer gid>
[11:49] <slappy16> how efficient
[11:49] <Zugot> Marble2: i don't think so..
[11:49] <slappy16> "heres cygwin"
[11:49] <Rotund> Anyone having issues w/ mono in backports?
[11:49] <lsuactiafner> ok am new to ubuntu/debian how do i apt-get a package that aint on the cd?
[11:50] <lsuactiafner> i need to install ncurses
[11:50] <joshua__> dantheman:  Np.  And, if you ever decide you want to play wmv files.  Download gxine.  Add the marillat repository, and install w32codecs.  it's a pain, but if you realy need wmv support, that's the way to go.
[11:50] <Abood> djm62, i checked this http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#rp-pppoe but its also me a internet connection !?
[11:50] <tz273> Hi! Could you help me? I have the problem, i just configured my eth0 in /etc/network/interfaces, but it doesn't works. if I configure with ifconfig it works. If i just simply tell ifconfig eth0 up, it doesn't
[11:50] <djm62> Abood: you're best asking the room...I can only really help with stuff I have experience of
[11:50] <nickrud> Abood, does windows connect properly
[11:50] <dantheman> thanks!
[11:50] <slappy16> lsuactiafner: apt-get update, apt-get upgrade, apt-get dist-upgrade apt-cache search ncurses
[11:51] <stopabuse> lol, you shoud've heard #gentoo guys harrasing ubuntu
[11:51] <djm62> tz273: what does the section in /e/n/interfaces look like?
[11:51] <Abood> nickrud, yes
[11:51] <IIIEars> OS, firewall, and anti virus installed without errors in a few minutes - VERY impressive. - Ubuntu developers have won another convert.
[11:51] <stopabuse> they told its nothing but debians and gentoos ripoff
[11:51] <Zugot> Marble2: i just solved your problem
[11:51] <Marble2> okay
[11:51] <Marble2> how
[11:51] <lsuactiafner> slappy16, : thanks for the basic info but it will help me (;
[11:51] <stopabuse> i tried to argue but they kept on abusing
[11:51] <slappy16> or run synaptic
[11:51] <Reblended> slappy16, ok.. youv'e had that same experience?
[11:51] <IIIEars> Thank You guys. :)
[11:51] <nickrud> abood, who's your provider (hope it's us)
[11:51] <Greek0> Is there any way to get older versions of packages in ubuntu? something like snapshot.debian.net?
[11:51] <djm62> stopabuse: no skin off any of our noses :)
[11:51] <stopabuse> can someone help me with my ubuntu? i installed it and theres this nigger and two ladies on wallpaper! i want nigger to go away!
[11:51] <slappy16> Reblended: just with vlc playing files that wm9||10 wont touch
[11:51] <Reblended> CarlK, got a little farther this time.. now it says: ACPI: Setting ELCR to 0200 (from 0e20)
[11:52] <Zugot> Marble2: you mounted it as root... and its vfat.  of course you can't change ownership of the files.   this is "user error".   mount it with your own uid, gid and your problems will go away
[11:52] <djm62> stopabuse: (a) language FFS
[11:52] <Reblended> slappy16, ahh, ya
[11:52] <tz273> djm62: iface eth0 inet static\naddress..., netmask..., network..., broadcast....
[11:52] <slappy16> stopabuse: whatta dork
[11:52] <Marble2> oh
[11:52] <Marble2> okay
[11:52] <Marble2> thanks
[11:52] <Abood> nickrud i dont understand what provider, ?? u mean the ISP's ?!
[11:52] <nickrud> abood yes
[11:52] <stopabuse> i'm not racist but i really dont like naked man on my wallpaper
[11:52] <joshua__> stopabuse:  Why not change the wallpaper? o.o
[11:52] <stopabuse> i'm not gay!
[11:52] <stopabuse> joshua__, how?
[11:52] <dantheman> how do i add a new repository?
[11:52] <slappy16> hah...
[11:52] <dockane> is there any known reason why ubuntu alwaya mutes audio capture device and moves mic record level to zero ?
[11:52] <djm62> stopabuse: (b) you can change the deskop wallpaper by right-clicking
[11:52] <stopabuse> i cant find where can i do it
[11:52] <slappy16> hahaha
[11:52] <joshua__> stopabuse:  Should've asked that in the first place. :)
[11:52] <Zugot> Marble2: /dev/sda1 on /media/sda1 type vfat (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,sync,quiet,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=077,iocharset=utf8)
[11:52] <slappy16> this is comedy
[11:52] <Abood> nickrud, its a company in my country ?!
[11:52] <djm62> I quite like the guy :-/
[11:53] <joshua__> Anyway, right click, change desktop background, stopabuse
[11:53] <slappy16> i...need..BEER!
[11:53] <joshua__> right click on the desktop that is
[11:53] <Abood> nickrud, man i need to know how can i get my ubuntu be connected with the net, iv got eth1 connected with the ADSL modem ?!
[11:53] <nickrud> abood, because I can help with certain types of connections, I'm hoping the compay will tell me what type you have :)
[11:53] <vordhosbn> is there a way i can change hotplug to mount my ipod to /media/ipod instead of /media/ipod_name ?
[11:53] <Rotund> GRRRRR.  I can't write a CD!
[11:53] <jnk> vordhosbn, you can add an udev rule
[11:53] <slappy16> vordhosbn: hotplug?
[11:54] <slappy16> oh
[11:54] <slappy16> hah
[11:54] <slappy16> nm
[11:54] <vordhosbn> well, i figured it was hotplug that was doing it
[11:54] <thechitowncubs> is there a list of windows apps alternatives
[11:54] <lsuactiafner> ok /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lncurses
[11:54] <NotANick> vordhosbn: change your ipods name to ipod
[11:54] <lsuactiafner> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
[11:54] <lsuactiafner> >> Unable to find the Ncurses libraries.
[11:54] <lsuactiafner> >>
[11:54] <lsuactiafner> >> You must install ncurses-devel in order
[11:54] <lsuactiafner> >> to use 'make menuconfig'
[11:54] <Abood> nickrud, Device Type : PPPoE, Server Type : PPP
[11:54] <Brazmetal> hey, why my resolv.conf file is reset each boot? I set the dns adresses, and when i reboot the system the internet isn't working cause the values I put in the file desappeared ?
[11:54] <Rotund> no chance of getting ProDVD installed?
[11:54] <Meastapheles> why would untaring the 2.6.12-rc2 kernel give "Cannot exec: No such file or dir" since I've copied and pasted the doownloaded file the name is correct, and I'm su
[11:54] <lsuactiafner> any ideas ppl? i need to make a new kernel
[11:54] <Marble2> that worked Zugot
[11:54] <Marble2> thanks
[11:54] <slappy16> lsuactiafner: did you rerun ld-config
[11:54] <thechitowncubs> what is the best Money managing app out there
[11:54] <slappy16> did you install ncurses-dev?
[11:54] <lsuactiafner> already did
[11:54] <slappy16> ldconfig?
[11:54] <nickrud> abood: ok ppoeconf has always worked for me for PPPoE
[11:55] <olive> Hello there, I just have a simple question for the Ubuntu Live CD : How can I (easily) access my hard drives ? I don't see any programs to mount partition...
[11:55] <lsuactiafner> E: Couldn't find package ncurses-dev
[11:55] <lsuactiafner> already did ldconfig
[11:55] <slappy16> libncurses5-dev
[11:55] <Rotund> thechitowncubs: The best is Quicken via Crossover Office.  GnuCash is second
[11:55] <Reblended> CarlK, funny they say in f7 boot modes to type pci=noacpi but I did what you said and it halts with another acpi line
[11:55] <slappy16> lettme do it, too
[11:55] <lsuactiafner> E: Couldn't find package libncurses5-dev
[11:55] <Abood> ok nickrud, do u know from where i can start to run my connection :) ?
[11:55] <femv> djm62, r u there
[11:55] <Marble2> how do i create a hotlink, so that say I do cp file /ft it actually copies it to /files/torrents ?
[11:56] <thechitowncubs> i installed gnucash but the fonts look really crappy
[11:56] <djm62> femv: I'm there...sounds ominous
[11:56] <nickrud> Abood, just run pppoeconf, enter the fields, and it will probably work.
[11:56] <femv> djm62, im running failsafe mode.....
[11:56] <nickrud> has for yeas.
[11:56] <djm62> femv: failsafe on gnome?
[11:56] <dantheman> can someone tell me how to add the marillat repository to sources.list?
[11:56] <nickrud> years.
[11:57] <joshua__> dantheman:  Hold on, lemme fetch a guide to it
[11:57] <Abood> nickrud, another thing man, im facing a proplem with the xserver-xorg, do uv got any experince with it ?!
[11:57] <nickrud> Some.
[11:57] <Seibol> http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[11:57] <femv> djm62, yes , gnome wouldnt start up in normal mode with the dhclient thing...my opinion... permission are being dennied since im logging as root
[11:57] <jessica_> does anyone know what to do with i810 settings so that the display options work correctly?
[11:57] <Seibol> dantheman, there u go
[11:58] <Seibol> dantheman: http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[11:58] <femv> djm62, i meant... since im not logging as root
[11:58] <nickrud> Abood: as long as it's generic, or voodoo3 :)
[11:58] <jnk> jessica_, what is it that doesn't work ?
[11:58] <Reblended> how do I disable acpi with LIVE cd, noacpi or pci=noacpi does not work on my sony vaio laptop
[11:58] <djm62> femv: damn....I think you're right
[11:58] <Abood> nickrud, its damn Intel builtin chipset
[11:58] <stopabuse> damn, where was i, oh, how do i change wallapper?
[11:58] <joshua__> dantheman: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[11:58] <stopabuse> right click.. then?
[11:58] <jnk> Marble2, ln -s /files/torrents /ft
[11:58] <joshua__> dantheman:  Add that to the last name of sources.list
[11:59] <nickrud> Abood, it's a well known chipset. If it's generic, I can help, otherwise some else can
[11:59] <dantheman> it doesn't matter if i get gpg errors, right?
[11:59] <vordhosbn> what program or script handles mounting the ipod as "/media/IPOD NAME" ?
[11:59] <slappy16> lsuactiafner: did it work?
[11:59] <NotANick> stopabuse: Head down to Home Depot, ask the friendly guy behind the counter
[11:59] <femv> tried to do it from console, it wont do it without a sudo in fornt
[11:59] <joshua__> dantheman:  Run sudo apt-get update after you add it
[11:59] <jessica_> jnk: the screen resolution is 640 by 480 and won't go higher
[11:59] <Abood> nickrud, the proplem is that the xserver-zorg can accept the driver but it dosen't work
[11:59] <slappy16> i dont know if 5-dev was correct
[11:59] <dantheman> alright
[11:59] <jnk> vordhosbn, gnome-volume-manager through hal
[11:59] <NotANick> stopabuse: nah just kidding, there should be a change desktop of something button when you right click on the desktop
[11:59] <jnk> (I think)
[11:59] <Marble2> thansk jnk
[12:00] <stopabuse> NotANick, i cant find it :(
[12:00] <vordhosbn> alright, i'll look into it
[12:00] <stopabuse> oh wait
[12:00] <femv> djm62 i dont know why i think that gnome wont take a sudo there .... ?
[12:00] <stopabuse> properties