[12:01] by not bi ^^ [12:01] ops [12:01] and not very user friendly... it doesn't bother me but it could bother friends for whom I will lend the CD... [12:02] well i think is prettu UF but i installed it [12:02] Ok I haven't find anything related on the wiki pages... [12:02] hmm, hal doesn't support hd-partitions afair... [12:02] i do't know about the livecd [12:02] i think the only way is mounting it with the options [12:03] Strange choice for a live CD. For instance Knoppix automagically mount all the partitions it founds, of course only read-only [12:04] There must be a perfectly rational reason to not do this also for kubuntu, but I don't see any right now.. [12:04] knoppix is thinked as a live cd (coz is only a live cd) [12:04] do u have a tab near the K button? === torpid_zz is now known as torpid [12:05] Errr I can't see it right now, I have to reboot before... [12:05] anyway if it is [12:05] then u can probably mount hd from there [12:05] still no final dvd ? === torpid [~pral@h-68-167-206-161.snfccasy.dynamic.covad.net] has joined #KUBUNTU [12:05] just down the home tab [12:06] Is there a place where we can make wishes for the kubuntu/ubuntu live cd ? [12:06] the forums i think [12:06] look in ubuntulinux.org [12:06] OK. I'll try. Thanks for your help ! [12:06] ;) === torpid [debian-tor@7bc570e9345f4af6.node.tor] has joined #KUBUNTU === CellarDoor is away: Away at the moment === olive [~olive@d213-103-21-45.cust.tele2.fr] has left #kubuntu ["Leaving"] [12:09] how do i get the windows where i can look tru? === torpid is now known as broken_ladder [12:12] Boogieman: you have to enable composite effects in your X config, then go into kde look n feel window behaviour and turn it on. [12:12] Boogieman: beware - it doesn't work well on ATI. [12:13] i have nvidia === Zugot [~bryan@pcp0010860530pcs.longhl01.md.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu [12:13] thank you for the info LeeJunFan [12:13] np. [12:14] n8 [12:16] hey, why my resolv.conf file is reset each boot? I set the dns adresses, and when i reboot the system the internet isn't working cause the values I put in the file desappeared ? [12:19] can't help u man [12:19] but that sounds strange === _lapin [~lapin@40.20.99-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #kubuntu [12:27] <_lapin> l [12:28] Brazmetal: are you running dhcp? [12:28] Zugot, no, static [12:29] I edited the resolv.con and the interfaces manually [12:29] cause if i use kcontrol, this firles are messed up [12:30] and it just goes with dhcp [12:34] what does /etc/network/interfaces look like? === screeble [screeble@d206-116-17-73.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #kubuntu === MxBen9 [~chatzilla@ACD3E341.ipt.aol.com] has joined #kubuntu [12:35] If I've done an "apt-get install kubuntu-desktop" and decided I'd rather go back to ubuntu (i.e. gnome) will apt-get remove kubuntu-desktop" break my install? === closure [~ubel@adsl-065-013-010-009.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #kubuntu [12:40] screeble: removing kubuntu-desktop by itself won't do much. It's there to collect the rest of kubuntu, then it can be safely removed [12:40] I just found this which answers my question: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=22697 [12:41] screeble: you could also simply choose gnome from Sessions on the login screen === jsubl2 [jsubl2@209.144.23.220] has joined #kubuntu === KevManU [~KMks@p5082890E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #kubuntu ["Bye] === _bear [~bear@c-24-9-225-109.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu === kakalto [~kakalto@wired-210-54-56-176.ps.net.nz] has joined #kubuntu === jsubl2 [jsubl2@209.144.23.220] has left #kubuntu ["Leaving"] [01:02] is it possible to watch realaudio clips in linux? [01:02] for the love of god.. === CellarDoor [~CellarDoo@d220-237-216-177.dsl.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has left #kubuntu ["Konversation] [01:03] broken_ladder, sure === mmuzzy [~mmuzzy@ip24-250-44-152.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #kubuntu [01:04] i'm having a hell of a time with it. [01:04] the helix player does nothing but crash. 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[01:20] do you have a Sockel 754 or Socket 939 system? [01:20] i need to convert a divx avi in to an mpeg 1 suitable for use on vcd, or better yet an mpeg 2 for svcd, whats the best way to do this that involves command line as little as possible? [01:21] (oh Socket A it doesn't help that much) [01:21] KaiL_: socket A w/ Athlon XP 2500+ running as 3200+ [01:21] try it, but doesn't have that much big effect imho [01:22] I had it running for a while... would vary from 1.6GHz to 2.2GHz [01:23] hmm, 50W or 63W :) [01:23] I wouldn't call that a big effect - but why giving the money to energy companies? [01:24] why "giving"? ha hah [01:24] ? [01:24] KaiL_: I had to go hunting for the proper cpufreq modules to get it working in the first place... [01:25] those 13W are around 15EUR/Year here in Germany, maybe more [01:25] darkaudit: that's money-saving work - there can be worse things *g* === andrewski [~andrewski@pool-151-197-228-28.phil.east.verizon.net] has joined #kubuntu [01:26] powernow-k7 should be === underlord looks at "mencal" package in apt and wonders if theres anything left that linux doesn't do === torpid [debian-tor@b951b4e43166b88f.node.tor] has joined #KUBUNTU [01:32] ok... put it back... hovering around 1.6 GHz most of the time... [01:32] had, that the Athlon XP can't get lower [01:33] Athlon 64 can go to 1GHz and also reduce voltage [01:33] then you have a REALLY cool cpu :) === spook [~spook@200.138.147.164] has joined #kubuntu === spook [~spook@200.138.147.164] has left #kubuntu ["Konversation] [01:34] and a low energy bill too === darkaudit is an overclocking n00b, and isn't going mucking about w/ voltages... upping the FSB from 166 to 200 has been enough, and I haven't gone over 40C much at all... [01:35] overclocking is uncool, underclocking is interesting - to get a passive cooled system and to transfer money from the energy bill to more hardware *g* [01:36] :p [01:44] when you install realplayer, do you have to reboot your machine? === torpid [~pral@7fa139ff1f6fec4d.node.tor] has joined #KUBUNTU === AceMan [~me@81-178-152-81.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #kubuntu === AceMan [~me@81-178-152-81.dsl.pipex.com] has left #kubuntu [] === idk152 [~daniel@ca-arcdca-cuda1-c1q-9.arcdca.adelphia.net] has joined #kubuntu === oBruxo [~quemedeje@85.136.8.171] has joined #kubuntu [01:59] hau! [02:00] does anyone know how to make realplayer work in ubuntu? [02:04] agur === sto6ma9ch [~sto6ma9ch@216.223.173.45] has joined #kubuntu === darkaudit [~bpack@pool-151-205-45-125.clrk.east.verizon.net] has joined #kubuntu === andrewski [~andrewski@pool-151-197-228-28.phil.east.verizon.net] has left #kubuntu ["Bis] === whiskers [~whiskers@adsl-68-94-126-76.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined #kubuntu [02:29] interesting article about gpl fonts on slashdot....I can't understand all these people getting upset just because the gpl asks them to turn over all their documents for free if they used a gpl font === torpid [~pral@142b01027b48d2c4.node.tor] has joined #KUBUNTU [02:32] i mean this is no different than asking people to turn over all their private databases if they used a gpl database program [02:32] so why all the fuss [02:34] i mean the whole goal of the gpl is to force all intellectual issues into the public domain for free....so why do people fuss about it now === jsubl2 [~jsubl2@209.144.23.220] has joined #kubuntu [02:36] they don't fuss when they have to turn over all their music and artwork or databases if they used gpl programs so why do they fuss about documents [02:39] everyone knows the gpl is designed to increase knowledge in the public domain of any form or type...so why fuss about it now... [02:39] jesus, i just went into #macintosh to ask some people about their mac experiences, and they just derided me for using linux. [02:39] torpid, well mac users are wierd people [02:40] torpid, they like to pay outrageous prices for stuff and always have been that way [02:40] i think the $700 photoshop was for the mac....as an example [02:40] lol === jubei1024 [~jubei@ppp139-170.lns1.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #kubuntu [02:42] they say that photoshop elements is more close to gimp, and it costs 99$ [02:43] torpid, i don't have any idea what apple does or what it sells...i stay out of their business [02:43] torpid, apple and silicon graphics is too expensive for me [02:44] those ALTIX computers that scale to 256gigs of memory are a little expensive for me [02:45] i just stay out of their business entirely [02:47] torpid, even MS is too expensive for me....last i heard they wanted $270 just for xp === andrewski [~andrewski@pool-151-197-228-28.phil.east.verizon.net] has joined #kubuntu [02:52] torpid, and that is not to mention that you have to rebuy all your applications to work with xp [02:52] torpid, even if you buy xp [02:52] torpid, i agree with the Hungarian...that stuff is too expensive === jackro [~jackro@238-dom-6.acn.waw.pl] has joined #kubuntu [02:57] if i can just build a cool pc, and put a cracked version of windoze on it, i might consider that. [02:58] i'm getting sick of the work it takes to make simple things work in linux. [02:58] i can't even get a nice xp style multi-user login screen working. [02:58] the best option is to spawn new logins per user === lexhider [~lexhider@dip-220-235-87-212.vic.westnet.com.au] has joined #kubuntu === jsgotangco [~jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #kubuntu === chavo [~chavo@104.sub-70-213-77.myvzw.com] has joined #kubuntu [03:03] does kde automagically mount cd's? [03:03] nm, I found out [03:07] torpid, IBM and MS both have technologies to extract information from anyone using xp....so i would not try to use a cracked copy of xp....you can be severely penalized if caught [03:07] torpid, just learn to do without all the nice things in life that cost money [03:08] torpid, if you work on your linux machine for 11 years straight...you will eventually get a couple of things working [03:09] none of my friends have ever been caught, and they do all the updates and everything. [03:09] i don't have time to hack my computer around. [03:09] i'm a musician and i have a full time job [03:09] i need to be able to come home and lay down some tracks and move on to the next task. [03:09] this is such a tough decision though. [03:10] hello? [03:11] torpid, well i understand your dilemma...many people have it...but if you don't mind giving up all your music for free...well please use linux [03:12] eh... [03:13] it's completely possible to create a multiuser audio recording workstation [03:13] it doesn't make a lot of sense, mind you, but it is _possible_ === unnameablePLAYER [~MrWOOTY@d187.rtcol.com] has joined #kubuntu [03:13] multiuser? [03:13] lol [03:13] i just want to be able to make good home recordings. [03:15] torpid, well what is the matter with sound recorder and your line in or microphone jack [03:16] torpid, you can record all kinds of strange noises [03:19] lol === Mansor [~edgar@r200-125-48-29-dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #kubuntu [03:20] hi everyone === Mansor [~edgar@r200-125-48-29-dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #kubuntu [03:23] i guess i could just build a nice windows box for recording audio, and use a kvm [03:23] torpid, well just be aware that it will cost you a fortune to use MS stuff [03:25] torpid, the last i heard...a retail version of xppro was going for around an astronomical $270 [03:26] torpid, and that is with no applications [03:27] hi anyone uses skype? [03:27] Mansor, i was testing it but i plan on uninstalling it soon [03:27] Mansor, why did you want to test something [03:27] i've got sounds problmes [03:28] problems, hehe [03:28] Mansor, well let me fire it up on ubuntu and see what you sound like....what is your user name and location...city, country etc [03:28] what do you mean test something? 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[04:07] yeah it seems [04:07] do you use Skype? [04:08] <_tek> nope, never have, i had installed it on my laptop but never actually tried to use it. on my desktop i do not have a mic hooked up so seemed pointless [04:09] <_tek> i had setup a system with xandros and noticed it was installed by default but again, never used it. i have free calling on my cell anyway so its not saving me much unless i setup a asterisk box or something [04:09] <_tek> probably will setup a asterisk box but not for a while. [04:10] sure === lexhider [~lexhider@dip-220-235-87-212.vic.westnet.com.au] has joined #kubuntu [04:11] <_tek> questions on it? [04:12] yes i have sounds problems [04:12] everything works fine with the sound system [04:16] <_tek> but nothing through skype? [04:17] nop [04:21] do you know how i can enable to play multisound ability? === jsubl2 [jsubl2@209.144.23.220] has joined #kubuntu [04:36] anyone knows how to enable multi-channel sound? === Shachaf [~Shachaf@line133-191.adsl.actcom.co.il] has joined #kubuntu [04:39] multichannel? [04:39] as in 5.1 or 7.1? === chavo [~chavo@104.sub-70-213-77.myvzw.com] has joined #kubuntu === torpid is now known as broken_ladder === broken_ladder is now known as BROKEN_LADDER [04:46] no, someone tell me i must enable it to use skype [04:46] i'm having sounds problems [04:47] <_tek> i think that is essentiall part of the kernel config, when that is setup right udev should see the device and create the files to use the mixer and other devices that get created. [04:48] <_tek> udev creates them [04:48] <_tek> the config of the kernel is what is required for them to be supported. what is your sound card [04:50] <_tek> cat /proc/asound/devices [04:51] <_tek> cat /proc/asound/cards [04:51] <_tek> run those. [04:51] <_tek> sorry, im off working on 3 systems at the same time so im not exactly focused on any one thing [04:56] Mansor: I have no idea what you mean by "multi-channel" [04:56] Mansor: do you mean 5.1, or do you mean "multiple simultaneous streams"? === hype [~hype@port467.ds1-ynoe.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #kubuntu === thoreauputic [~debianarc@wolax7-177.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has joined #kubuntu === delltony [~delltony@c-24-99-11-118.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu === avik [~avik@adsl-156-48-232.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #kubuntu === ttf [~tom@p83.129.9.75.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #kubuntu === avik [~avik@adsl-156-48-232.asm.bellsouth.net] has left #kubuntu ["Konversation] === kkathman [~kkathman@h-66-167-142-40.dllatx37.dynamic.covad.net] has joined #kubuntu [05:10] evening all :) === smouche [~bc@cpe-24-90-94-112.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #kubuntu === mainer [~mainer3@bb-205-209-66-149.gwi.net] has joined #kubuntu [05:12] hey there smouche how are you tonight! [05:13] hey hey! [05:13] kkathman - good to see you -- upgrade go well? === phxguy [~phxguy@ip24-251-194-72.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #kubuntu === phxguy [~phxguy@ip24-251-194-72.ph.ph.cox.net] has left #kubuntu ["Konversation] [05:14] yes very well, smouche I now have 3 linux boxes, so I retired 2 more :) [05:15] good work! kkathman, I'm having a blast playing with alsamixer and audacity... [05:16] smouche so tell me about those two apps...what are they and what are you using them for? === phxguy [~phxguy@ip24-251-194-72.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #kubuntu === _user [~user@219.237.209.227] has joined #kubuntu [05:17] Has anyone in here used klik before? [05:18] Audacity for recording, alsamixer runs in a terminal and is vastly more convenient to use than kmix [05:19] kkathman, Audacity isn't bad at all, though the interface takes some getting used to. Not as good as cooledit in windows, but good enough. [05:19] smouche I see...so thats good then :) === jubei [~jubei@ppp139-170.lns1.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #kubuntu [05:20] I was told about a new "graphics editor" similar to Photoshop, that I am thinking about playing with smouche [05:20] kkathman, I love these ncurses apps -- like a gui hidden within the gui -- [05:21] (alsamixer is ncurses, audacity is not) === spook [~spook@200.138.147.164] has joined #kubuntu === spook [~spook@200.138.147.164] has left #kubuntu ["Konversation] [05:21] what's it called kkathman? [05:22] its called Krita, KDE app, but from what I have read, its a bit on the experimental side right now === smouche hears the last chains binding kkathman to windows starting to crack under metel fatigue... [05:22] smouche http://www.koffice.org/krita/ [05:23] I follwoed this howto and I still cant burn mp3s in k3b http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=21044&page=1&pp=10 [05:23] smouche: hehe, well there also seems to be some promises that Paint Shop Pro might run under Wine, but not sure of the version [05:23] damn, I'm a sloppy typist and speller on here! "metal" [05:24] I love paint shop pro -- but, I do not drink... wine... [05:24] smouche: its ok, I have spell check as I read it [05:24] smouche: lol....I have to see what version of PSP I have...I think that Wine supports lower versions [05:25] these win emulators kind of tend to support older versions but not newer ones [05:25] I tried wine once, managed to get the splash screen for Adobe Audacity (formerly cooledit pro -- an audio recording tool) running, that was it! [05:25] wine supports like Photoshop 4 and Dreamweaver 4 but not the newer things [05:26] dreamweaver mx is supported too i think [05:26] smouche if you check the wine page, there is a link there to something called "Frank's Corner" and he tells you how to tweak things to run many applications [05:26] I may give it a try again - [05:27] Im going to give krita a spin, possibly, and see if it has any stability whatsoever [05:27] they are queueing it for Open Office v4 I think [05:28] kkathman, I actually like koffice a lot - more than open office anyway. Just not sure about compatibility of there file formats, etc... [05:28] don't have koffice on here at the moment -- not doing any heavy duty office stuff [05:28] though I should be! [05:29] Il think I'll apt-get krita too and take a look... [05:30] smouche: I dont do any "office stuff" as of yet, but I have used Open Office to test out compatibiity and sure enough you can create docs in Word and read them in Open Office and vice versa...the only issue is the fonts thing. [05:30] rats, krita doesn't appear to be available outside of the koffice bundles... [05:30] oh so you have to dl all of koffice to get it, smouche? [05:31] kkathman, I know -- I was referring to koffice's compatibility, not oo -- I use oo all the time in windows [05:31] I don't even own Microsoft Office [05:31] I saw the K-office page...and Im pretty impressed [05:32] I'm pretty impressed with Abiword, actually, for basic word processing. Fast anyway; open office seems bloated [05:33] I liked the koffice interface... [05:33] kkathman, I'm surprised kubuntu didn't go with Koffice by default [05:34] smouche: yeah thats kinda interesting, but Open Office has been around alot I guess [05:34] I wonder if there is a way to de-install open office if one like Koffice better? [05:34] I mean I got 100gb now, so Im not worried === tim_h [~Tim@p54A1FC40.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu [05:36] I notice krita isn't included in the koffice metapackage -- [05:38] oh really? [05:38] so , to answer your question above, kkathman -- no, you don't need the koffice metapackage to get krita, 'cause krita isn't even in there! === wirwzd [~wirwzd@c-24-218-115-209.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu [05:38] I need to check out that krita page again [05:40] hmmm -- kkathman, that page says: [05:40] Krita has been under development since 1999, but that doesn't mean it's anywhere near usable yet. Currently (that is, March 2005) working are: [05:40] etc etc [05:41] yeah its now classified as pre-alpha [05:41] heres the download site: http://ktown.kde.org/~danimo/krita/preview1/ [05:41] kkathman, krita hasn't been released with koffice yet. [05:41] heh, kind of like Wine! [05:41] it's still a little buggy [05:41] Krita, previously known as Krayon and KimageShop, is still in pre-alpha state, but is ready to be initially previewed by eager users. The first preview release is now available for downloaKrita, previously known as Krayon and KimageShop, is still in pre-alpha state, but is ready to be initially previewed by eager users. The first preview release is now available for downloa [05:42] you can get it from cvs head though/ [05:42] hey chavo :) [05:42] hello [05:42] chavo: have you tried it by chance? [05:42] kkathman, yes. It's still pretty buggy. [05:43] Guess I'll still have to hang onto my windows box for a while...and use PS7 and Flash there [05:44] it looks nice so far http://2sdw.com/krita.png [05:45] yeah, probably more worth while experimenting with wine for some of the windows stuff, than with krita. [05:45] the screen shots look good! [05:45] Photoshop works well with crossover office. [05:46] Yeah, like I said it's looking nice, but crashes a lot. [05:46] chavo: Photoshop 7?? [05:46] kkathman, That's waht I've heard, never tried it myself. === tim_h__ [~Tim@p54A1EE55.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu [05:47] I thought I read that PS7 was only classified as a bronze app [05:47] wine wont run it === binux [~binux@S01060003478e1f8c.rd.shawcable.net] has joined #kubuntu [05:47] I just use the gimp and Paint Shop Pro, not much of an artist. [05:47] Paint Shop Pro works under wine for me. [05:48] I use an older version of PSP though. [05:48] well, that ain't bad! which version of psp, chavo? [05:48] ah [05:48] 7 [05:48] ah its a Silver App for CrossOver [05:48] chavo: Right seems wine does really well for older apps [05:48] <_tek> <--gimp rocks, love it use it often [05:49] I have PSP 7 [05:49] For me, the gimp does everything I need it to. [05:49] <_tek> ditto i have used it now for about 4 years i think. done many webpages and business cards in it. [05:49] <_tek> love it [05:50] <_tek> pretty decent with it. perfer it over photoshop even but i do not do graphic arts for a living either. [05:51] gimp seems to be ok, but I miss alot of the layer effects that I get with PS7 [05:51] <_tek> cant see paying what they want for photoshop to have to turn around and run it in windows or mess with crossover even though i do have crossover. older version though. [05:51] Some of that, Im sure, is that I am unfamiliar with Gimp, and extremely familiar with Photoshop :) [05:51] Yeah I don't do much graphics work myself. Just my bands website and touching up photos. [05:52] _tek: I got PS7, Flash, and DW MX 2004 from a friend for $50 [05:52] <_tek> same here, couple of flyers every once in a while, my business cards and my websites and every once in a while websites for customers [05:52] <_tek> yeah but is it legal? [05:52] <_ReDRuM_> lot of graphics people i know who are also linux people say it's not really adequate [05:52] <_ReDRuM_> (gimp) [05:52] _tek: Oh yes, I have a key and everything with the disk [05:53] <_tek> redrum< yeah its also really not 500 - 800 bucks [05:53] It was just his copy, and he dumped all his windows stuff and went to Mac [05:53] <_tek> ah, ok.. good deal then [05:53] <_tek> < -- all legal software, everything.... [05:54] <_tek> vmware and one other piece of linux software called sep is the only thing i run that isnt free [05:54] <_ReDRuM_> whats sep? [05:54] It wasnt gonna do him any good, and he said he'd just want something fair....so I offered him $300, 100 for each, and he came back and said...no no no...how about $50 and I said SOLD! [05:54] <_ReDRuM_> vmware? why? :P to run windows? [05:54] <_tek> sysbotz enterprise platform its a invoicing app i run for my business, essentially its a LAMP app [05:55] <_tek> yes, i work on computers for a living so i have to fire up windows to walk people through issues all the time [05:55] <_ReDRuM_> heh [05:55] <_ReDRuM_> cool [05:56] _tek: I need a good billing program for my web services company...do you have a link for that? [05:56] I [05:56] <_tek> had vmware working too but it just took a shit on my after installing winxp_pro into it. now nothing starts up in vmware, going to remove everything and start it over again. [05:56] I would preferably like something open source, tho [05:56] <_tek> sure, its www.sysbotz.com if i recall correctly [05:56] <_ReDRuM_> scam === jonathaN_ [jonathan@4-16-ftth.onsnet.nu] has joined #kubuntu [05:56] <_ReDRuM_> sysbotz looks tasty === jonathaN_ is now known as jonathaN [05:57] <_tek> for hosting kkathman? [05:57] <_ReDRuM_> you can get a free program called phpcoin that does a limited invoicing etc it doesnt look anything like sysbotz though [05:57] _tek: Nah...web design, marketing, systems consulting, blah blah [05:57] <_tek> i really like lamp apps. === \sh [~sh@server3.servereyes.de] has joined #kubuntu [05:58] <_tek> you looked at sql-ledger? [05:58] _tek: I just need something that I can like enter code into it, and it comes back and translates those and prints a bill, then I can mark later when they paid it. [05:58] <_tek> its alot more than what you need but it does do nice invoices [05:58] <_ReDRuM_> kkathman: modernbill is the business [05:58] <_ReDRuM_> but its quite pricey [05:58] <_ReDRuM_> phpcoin is free and will do (hope your web design skills are ok tho the default interface is junk) [05:58] <\sh> morning all [05:58] <_ReDRuM_> morning sh [05:58] <_ReDRuM_> night sh === _ReDRuM_ goes to bed [05:59] <\sh> hehe [05:59] night _ReDRuM_ ! [05:59] <_tek> later redrum [05:59] <\sh> dayshift's coming [05:59] morning \sh :) [05:59] <_tek> so kkathman have you looked at sql-ledger? its web based which for me is the number one concern [05:59] _tek: I just need something to log my hours, have it charge to a client, then print a bill [06:00] _tek: Nope...got a reference for that? [06:00] <_tek> sql-ledger will do that. plus one hell of alot more. its done in perl and runs on postgres and apache [06:00] <_tek> sql-ledger.net i think? or .org [06:01] great _tek, thanks alot I appreciate the references ..I'll check em out [06:01] <_tek> its .org i just checked [06:01] <_tek> i know business apps pretty damn well [06:01] _tek: how pricey are those? [06:01] <_tek> also if you do not care about it being web enabled look at gnucash. [06:01] <_tek> all but sep are free [06:02] <_tek> or moneydance, its also free [06:02] sep is the sysbotz app? [06:02] <_tek> yes [06:02] k [06:03] <_tek> they have two different ones, sep is the higher priced one and what i bought. [06:03] <_tek> it had a few things that were nicer for what i do, its all php and xml [06:03] wow that sql-ledger is a full bookkeeping system [06:03] <_tek> interface is done in dhtml so you can even modify layout [06:03] <_tek> yes it is. === kkathman shivers as he remembers his one course in basic accounting [06:04] <\sh> kkathman: u need something like this? http://gttr.sourceforge.net/ [06:04] <_tek> <--- hates bookkeeping... i just farmed that out to an outside company beginning of this year [06:05] <\sh> _tek: there is a fork of sql-ledger for the german market...:) it's nice for a small company :) [06:05] <_tek> it is, better for a company that does not have anything in place though or they try to compare to what they were using before. [06:05] _tek: Yeah thats a good thing too, the program I use now in windows (I have an "extended" evaluation) has time control with the billing aspect === HillTop [~chatzilla@cpe-66-91-252-59.san.res.rr.com] has joined #kubuntu [06:06] <_tek> i have done a migration from peachtree2000 to that [06:06] <_tek> sucked... hate doing migrations but it pays well [06:07] _tek: Yep it does! [06:07] <_tek> did a windows to linux migration for one company that took almost 3 months, the damn vendor did not even know how their shit ran... [06:07] <_tek> no windows machines left in that company other than one running in win4lin [06:07] haha [06:07] you'd be surprised [06:08] The company I work for does major enterprise software for manufacturers..and we have a full staff that does migrations and installations...and we have the same issues with vendors not knowing their stuff [06:08] <\sh> last time I did a migration from windows to unix was year before last [06:09] <_tek> have one you will laugh about. i setup two computers running knoppix for this hotel in the lobby. after a few months they wanted to have one of the systems to run winXP cause the pilots that come in (its next to an airport) need to use IE in windows for their citrix client software [06:09] <_tek> a year later someone stole one of the machines out of the lobby, yes which one they stole? [06:09] <\sh> from windows to sun solaris enterprise solutions :) blades with pc cards inside and citrix clients...the best of two worlds for TAs and chiefs ;) [06:10] <_tek> yes = guess [06:10] <\sh> and good thing was, taking my sun laptop to the toilet and working further on, wireless ;) with the session created before..thank god we know something about smartcards [06:11] <_tek> someone stole the knoppix system , it didnt even have a HD. they left the winXP box [06:11] <\sh> lol [06:11] haha [06:11] <_tek> i laughed my ass off === jair_11 [~handy@adsl-67-36-179-108.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu [06:12] hello guys [06:12] I am readyy to install kubuntu [06:12] My wife looked at my linux system and wanted to know why my system was so much faster than her win system [06:12] <_tek> hello jair [06:12] hahaha [06:12] go for it jair_11 [06:12] <\sh> ok..last cigarette before getting ready for the office [06:12] jair_11: O [06:12] <_tek> tell her cause your running service pack 3 and she is only running service pack 2 [06:12] oops [06:12] HAHA === WillySilly [~will@c-67-164-115-131.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu [06:13] _tek, how are you I did not realize that kubuntu was born and I download ubuntu. but the thing is I am a kde lover [06:13] my apt is totally screwed over [06:13] nah, I told her that I was running Linux and she said she could "never" learn that [06:13] <\sh> jair_11: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop :) [06:13] the status backup doesnt work [06:13] <_tek> im doing well. he beat me to it... [06:13] well, jair_11 -- if you want, you could install ubuntu, then add kubuntu-desktop afterwards [06:13] \sh, but that will be the same can i get rig of gnome? [06:13] jair_11: Thats actually good, you should install the base hoary then apt-get install kubuntu-desktop [06:13] ohhh ok [06:14] but if you don't want gnome at all, better burn kubuntu... [06:14] I think will be cool [06:14] will not damage anything? === stelt [~stelt@dabrick1.kabel.utwente.nl] has joined #kubuntu [06:14] ohh [06:14] <_tek> no issues have both installed [06:14] kkathman, I think I will give it a try to see both who knows? [06:14] _tek, perfect I will check that then [06:14] I have both gnome and KDE [06:14] also guys I have a small doubt [06:14] <_tek> <--hates gnome, totally despises it [06:15] but dont install from the kubuntu disk [06:15] I was reading that ubuntu come in a enterprise version? [06:15] yeah I dont care for it either _tek [06:15] <\sh> jair_11: yeah, but for me it doesn't matter, couple of megs more on the HD..good for the support line to know both worlds, sorry three worlds, have xfce4 running as well ;) [06:15] <_tek> kde all the way, rather run blackbox than gnome [06:15] kubuntu also come in ent... version? [06:15] <_tek> not sure, i read something about that too. [06:15] jair_11 - no it doesn't, unless there's been a major shift in philosophy recently [06:15] <_tek> personally its not ready yet, still quite a few bugs [06:16] but Canonical offers enterprise support plans or something for it [06:16] smouche, but if you check on the home page of ubuntu.com they say thata [06:16] taht [06:16] that [06:16] thataboy! [06:16] check please www.ubuntu.com [06:16] <\sh> it's written, that the enterprise version will not cost anything more then the standard edition :) [06:16] smouche, sorry [06:16] _tek: talk about impressive, I was about to just dump my old Dell P2-450 and decided to do a little experiment to see if I could get ubuntu on it. Runs like a freakin champ and recognized EVERY piece of hardware on it :) [06:16] \sh, exacly [06:16] <\sh> so enterprise is still the same as standard [06:16] <\sh> and standard will be professional [06:16] <\sh> cost the same [06:16] jair_11, what \sh said, that's what I meant [06:17] \sh, ohhh ok [06:17] <_tek> which is 0 dollars its free \sh [06:17] cool then the last question before pump the cd and reboot my FC 3 [06:17] hahaha [06:17] i also read that the new release are every 18 months [06:17] <_tek> oh yeah i believe it kkathman [06:17] <\sh> _tek: well...free i don't know, cause there is support for free or from canonical :) [06:17] it is easy do the upgrades? [06:18] _tek: That Dell had only 128mb of memory in it...and it runs ubuntu flawlessly [06:18] <_tek> apt-get update [06:18] ya don't need Canonical when ya got #kubuntu! [06:18] <\sh> jair_11: 6 [06:18] I mean from versions to other newer versions [06:18] <_tek> followed by apt-get upgrade [06:18] <\sh> 6 months per release [06:18] \sh, what do you mean? [06:18] 6 months right [06:18] <_tek> or in terms of versions apt-get dist-upgrade [06:18] <\sh> release cycle is 6 monts [06:18] guys I want to use a distro for couple of years [06:18] 6 months, with a possibly very usable release candidate before that... [06:18] <_tek> hold on phone call [06:18] what can you recommend me then? [06:18] ok [06:19] that is why i hate cell phones [06:19] kubuntu, why not? just don't upgrade it if you're happy [06:19] guys it is possible update or upgrade from versions> [06:19] ? [06:19] of course. [06:19] <\sh> jair_11: running ubuntu with kubuntu-desktop it's nice, it's runnin, better then anything else I saw right now on the linux market [06:20] smouche, because remember the cds shipment free that they were giving on the first ubuntu [06:20] <\sh> and I'm a really old gentoo compiler fart [06:20] jair_11, it's using the latest version of kde, and it's superb [06:20] cool [06:20] ok === LeeJunFan [junfan@64-186-37-120.skycon.net] has joined #kubuntu [06:20] I have couple of those cds [06:20] and I wanted to give it to some friends [06:20] but they are 4. something versions [06:21] <\sh> jair_11: order new hoary ones [06:21] and I don't know if they will be able to upgrade? === andrewski [~andrewski@pool-151-197-228-28.phil.east.verizon.net] has joined #kubuntu [06:21] hmm so that means that they can not upgrade? [06:21] <\sh> jair_11: of course they can [06:21] \sh, cool [06:22] I want in the future be part of developer of Linux and help in the upgrade processes. [06:22] cool [06:22] that is one of my dreams [06:22] cool === Vorik [~Vorik@apeldoorn.xs4all.nl] has joined #kubuntu [06:23] ok guys so then I will be back in couple of minutes, then I assume that after I install i will just run apt-get update and I will be ready to go [06:23] jair_11 [06:23] you'll probably want to use "apt-get dist-upgrade" [06:23] also I will be prompted on the installation process for the server packages repositories right? [06:23] <\sh> jair_11: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryUpgradeNotes [06:23] the basic packages will already be there -- you can add others later [06:24] cool [06:24] thank you guys I will be back soon ok [06:24] thank you this is nice [06:24] and of course, use "sudo" jair_11 -- there's no log-in as root [06:24] in ubuntu [06:24] <\sh> and I'm getting ready for the office... [06:24] <\sh> laters dudes [06:24] do you guys know if the kubuntu support the "ipw2100" centrino minipci? [06:25] take care \sh [06:25] ok [06:25] smouche, perfect got it [06:25] lot of brits on here, aren't there? [06:25] do you guys know if the kubuntu support the "ipw2100" centrino minipci? [06:25] smouche, do you know? [06:25] sorry, jair_11, I don't [06:25] ok [06:25] cool [06:26] _tek: Do you have any experience getting systems sensors that are in like /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRN to show up in monitors? [06:26] still a newbie myself [06:26] if is base on debian I think I will have to make the compilation and other configurations from scartch then. cool [06:26] ok guys see you [06:26] good luck [06:27] <_tek> kkathman < did it on one box quite a while ago. dont remember it though [06:27] I gotta go to bed! see ya guys [06:27] _tek: I run superkaramba and cant seem to get any monitors to show up [06:28] night smouche...cya tomorrow :) [06:28] <_tek> i am really bad, i do not document alot of what i do till i have done it 3 or 4 times [06:28] <_tek> superkaramba crashes my shit, i can not run it. [06:28] really? [06:28] I havent had any probs yet [06:28] but I only run a monitor and a weather applet [06:28] <_tek> crashed me each time i left it up and running for the night [06:29] <_tek> i just run gkrellm i have used it forever... [06:29] yeah I started with that one [06:30] but even that didnt pick up the sensors [06:30] <_tek> i do not remember what all i had to do to get it going, best documentation i found for that though was with nagios [06:32] is there a command I can issue to find the IP addresses of all the computers on the network (like an smbtree with IP addrs) === brenton [~brenton@ip68-110-139-182.nc.hr.cox.net] has joined #kubuntu [06:35] anyone know the numerical value of the end of file marker in linux? [06:35] ^D [06:35] <_tek> kkathman you could ping the broadcast address but windows boxes alot of time do not respond and if the linux boxes are setup to not respond to ICMP they wont either. [06:36] _tek: Then what's the linux equivalent of an ipconfig? [06:36] ifconfig [06:37] thanks :) [06:38] my apt is totally screwed over [06:38] the status backup doesnt work === WillySilly cries === jorgevaldes [~jorgevald@CPE0050babd96b2-CM0011aec7fb5c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #kubuntu [06:41] <_tek> <-- on phone call === paulproteus [~paulprote@h-67-102-97-191.mclnva23.covad.net] has joined #kubuntu === lexhider [~lexhider@dip-220-235-87-128.vic.westnet.com.au] has joined #kubuntu === kmanTFM [~kman@p5.pub.ro] has joined #kubuntu === whiskers [~whiskers@adsl-68-89-171-139.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined #kubuntu [06:57] Edgar are you still there...my dsl was knocked out for a long time [06:57] hey whiskers ! [06:57] Edgar if you are still here we will get skype working for you on ubuntu if that is what you want [06:58] kubuntu.de/party is awesome :) [06:58] man those bastards knocked out my dsl and stopped me from getting the top secret t2 [06:58] now i have to start all over [07:01] also Edgar needed some help with his Skype on ubuntu and they knocked me out from helping him === hunger [~hunger@p54A66D45.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu [07:03] these rich capitalist pigs really piss me off === Cturtle [~Cturtle__@194.178.121.114] has joined #kubuntu === billytwowilly [~chris@S0106000c413a2c0c.ed.shawcable.net] has left #kubuntu ["Konversation] [07:13] they don't want anybody to have free long distance telephone [07:13] they want to screw them out of all their money for long distance communications === chavo [~chavo@104.sub-70-213-77.myvzw.com] has joined #kubuntu === mainer [~mainer3@bb-205-209-66-149.gwi.net] has left #kubuntu ["Leaving"] === raluke [~raluke@pcp0011113792pcs.elkrdg01.md.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu === dewey [~dewey@c-67-160-122-96.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu === freex [~freex@202.69.167.225] has joined #kubuntu === ztonzy [~ztonzy@c-a444e055.560-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #kubuntu === jan [~jan@host-67-35-36-183.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #kubuntu [07:50] hi anyone make any sense of this http://pastebin.com/272656 ? === da_bon_bon [~rohandhru@203.212.221.132] has joined #kubuntu === raluke [~raluke@pcp0011113792pcs.elkrdg01.md.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu [07:54] man it sure is hard to get the new star wars revolutions film on bit torrent today [07:55] use the news groups [07:55] is anybody else having any trouble getting the new star wars film [07:55] the torrent is working but the download speed is slow [07:56] any devs here? Riddell you around? [07:56] i can't understand why there would be so much trouble with star wars since the publishers are complying with gnu and making it totally free [07:57] and legally free === kkathman [~kkathman@h-66-167-142-40.dllatx37.dynamic.covad.net] has joined #kubuntu [08:02] if I have an install program that has an "sh" suffix, how do I execute that? In a term window or what? [08:03] its funny....people are asking for a torrent file of the torrent files to get it === _gary [~gary@pcp08931611pcs.brghtn01.mi.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu === _gary is now known as ice_1963 [08:05]