[12:01] <skaman> by not bi ^^
[12:01] <skaman> ops
[12:01] <olive> and not very user friendly... it doesn't bother me but it could bother friends for whom I will lend the CD...
[12:02] <skaman> well i think is prettu UF but i installed it
[12:02] <olive> Ok I haven't find anything related on the wiki pages...
[12:02] <KaiL_> hmm, hal doesn't support hd-partitions afair...
[12:02] <skaman> i do't know about the livecd
[12:02] <skaman> i think the only way is mounting it with the options
[12:03] <olive> Strange choice for a live CD. For instance Knoppix automagically mount all the partitions it founds, of course only read-only
[12:04] <olive> There must be a perfectly rational reason to not do this also for kubuntu, but I don't see any right now..
[12:04] <skaman> knoppix is thinked as a live cd (coz is only a live cd)
[12:04] <skaman> do u have a tab near the K button?
[12:05] <olive> Errr I can't see it right now, I have to reboot before...
[12:05] <skaman> anyway if it is
[12:05] <skaman> then u can probably mount hd from there
[12:05] <spiral> still no final dvd ?
[12:05] <skaman> just down the home tab
[12:06] <olive> Is there a place where we can make wishes for the kubuntu/ubuntu live cd ?
[12:06] <skaman> the forums i think
[12:06] <skaman> look in ubuntulinux.org
[12:06] <olive> OK. I'll try. Thanks for your help !
[12:06] <skaman> ;)
[12:09] <Boogieman> how do i get the windows where i can look tru?
[12:12] <LeeJunFan> Boogieman: you have to enable composite effects in your X config, then go into kde look n feel window behaviour and turn it on.
[12:12] <LeeJunFan> Boogieman: beware - it doesn't work well on ATI.
[12:13] <Boogieman> i have nvidia
[12:13] <Boogieman> thank you for the info LeeJunFan 
[12:13] <LeeJunFan> np.
[12:14] <Boogieman> n8
[12:16] <Brazmetal> hey, why my resolv.conf file is reset each boot? I set the dns adresses, and when i reboot the system the internet isn't working cause the values I put in the file desappeared ?
[12:19] <skaman> can't help u man
[12:19] <skaman> but that sounds strange
[12:27] <_lapin> l
[12:28] <Zugot> Brazmetal: are you running dhcp?
[12:28] <Brazmetal> Zugot, no, static
[12:29] <Brazmetal> I edited the resolv.con and the interfaces manually
[12:29] <Brazmetal> cause if i use kcontrol, this firles are messed up
[12:30] <Brazmetal> and it just goes with dhcp
[12:34] <Zugot> what does /etc/network/interfaces look like?
[12:35] <screeble> If I've done an "apt-get install kubuntu-desktop" and decided I'd rather go back to ubuntu (i.e. gnome) will apt-get remove kubuntu-desktop" break my install?
[12:40] <darkaudit> screeble: removing kubuntu-desktop by itself won't do much. It's there to collect the rest of kubuntu, then it can be safely removed
[12:40] <screeble> I just found this which answers my question: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=22697
[12:41] <darkaudit> screeble: you could also simply choose gnome from Sessions on the login screen
[01:02] <broken_ladder> is it possible to watch realaudio clips in linux?
[01:02] <broken_ladder> for the love of god..
[01:03] <kakalto> broken_ladder, sure
[01:04] <broken_ladder> i'm having a hell of a time with it.
[01:04] <broken_ladder> the helix player does nothing but crash.
[01:04] <broken_ladder> realaudio 10 doesn't do anything at all.
[01:04] <broken_ladder> it just hangs, and nothing comes up if run from the command line.
[01:04] <broken_ladder> so i don't even see any error message.
[01:08] <kakalto> from the console, you probably need to specify either an interface or a file to play
[01:09] <kakalto> 'cause otherwise it's usually a command-line based program
[01:09] <kakalto> or atleast, that happens often with other programs
[01:20] <darkaudit> is powernowd useful, or even necessary, on a desktop machine?
[01:20] <KaiL_> do you have a Sockel 754 or Socket 939 system?
[01:20] <underlord> i need to convert a divx avi in to an mpeg 1 suitable for use on vcd, or better yet an mpeg 2 for svcd, whats the best way to do this that involves command line as little as possible?
[01:21] <KaiL_> (oh Socket A it doesn't help that much)
[01:21] <darkaudit> KaiL_: socket A w/ Athlon XP 2500+ running as 3200+
[01:21] <KaiL_> try it, but doesn't have that much big effect imho
[01:22] <darkaudit> I had it running for a while... would vary from 1.6GHz to 2.2GHz
[01:23] <KaiL_> hmm, 50W or 63W :)
[01:23] <KaiL_> I wouldn't call that a big effect - but why giving the money to energy companies?
[01:24] <broken_ladder> why "giving"? ha hah
[01:24] <KaiL_> ?
[01:24] <darkaudit> KaiL_: I had to go hunting for the proper cpufreq modules to get it working in the first place...
[01:25] <KaiL_> those 13W are around 15EUR/Year here in Germany, maybe more
[01:25] <KaiL_> darkaudit: that's money-saving work - there can be worse things *g*
[01:26] <KaiL_> powernow-k7 should be
[01:32] <darkaudit> ok... put it back... hovering around 1.6 GHz most of the time... 
[01:32] <KaiL_> had, that the Athlon XP can't get lower
[01:33] <KaiL_> Athlon 64 can go to 1GHz and also reduce voltage
[01:33] <KaiL_> then you have a REALLY cool cpu :)
[01:34] <KaiL_> and a low energy bill too
[01:35] <KaiL_> overclocking is uncool, underclocking is interesting - to get a passive cooled system and to transfer money from the energy bill to more hardware *g*
[01:36] <darkaudit> :p
[01:44] <torpid> when you install realplayer, do you have to reboot your machine?
[01:59] <oBruxo> hau!
[02:00] <torpid> does anyone know how to make realplayer work in ubuntu?
[02:04] <oBruxo> agur
[02:29] <whiskers> interesting article about gpl fonts on slashdot....I can't understand all these people getting upset just because the gpl asks them to turn over all their documents for free if they used a gpl font
[02:32] <whiskers> i mean this is no different than asking people to turn over all their private databases if they used a gpl database program
[02:32] <whiskers> so why all the fuss
[02:34] <whiskers> i mean the whole goal of the gpl is to force all intellectual issues into the public domain for free....so why do people fuss about it now
[02:36] <whiskers> they don't fuss when they have to turn over all their music and artwork or databases if they used gpl programs so why do they fuss about documents
[02:39] <whiskers> everyone knows the gpl is designed to increase knowledge in the public domain of any form or type...so why fuss about it now...
[02:39] <torpid> jesus, i just went into #macintosh to ask some people about their mac experiences, and they just derided me for using linux.
[02:39] <whiskers> torpid, well mac users are wierd people
[02:40] <whiskers> torpid, they like to pay outrageous prices for stuff and always have been that way
[02:40] <whiskers> i think the $700 photoshop was for the mac....as an example
[02:40] <torpid> lol
[02:42] <torpid> they say that photoshop elements is more close to gimp, and it costs 99$
[02:43] <whiskers> torpid, i don't have any idea what apple does or what it sells...i stay out of their business
[02:43] <whiskers> torpid, apple and silicon graphics is too expensive for me
[02:44] <whiskers> those ALTIX computers that scale to 256gigs of memory are a little expensive for me
[02:45] <whiskers> i just stay out of their business entirely
[02:47] <whiskers> torpid, even MS is too expensive for me....last i heard they wanted $270 just for xp
[02:52] <whiskers> torpid, and that is not to mention that you have to rebuy all your applications to work with xp
[02:52] <whiskers> torpid, even if you buy xp
[02:52] <whiskers> torpid, i agree with the Hungarian...that stuff is too expensive
[02:57] <torpid> if i can just build a cool pc, and put a cracked version of windoze on it, i might consider that.
[02:58] <torpid> i'm getting sick of the work it takes to make simple things work in linux.
[02:58] <torpid> i can't even get a nice xp style multi-user login screen working.
[02:58] <torpid> the best option is to spawn new logins per user
[03:03] <kakalto> does kde automagically mount cd's?
[03:03] <kakalto> nm, I found out
[03:07] <whiskers> torpid, IBM and MS both have technologies to extract information from anyone using xp....so i would not try to use a cracked copy of xp....you can be severely penalized if caught
[03:07] <whiskers> torpid, just learn to do without all the nice things in life that cost money
[03:08] <whiskers> torpid, if you work on your linux machine for 11 years straight...you will eventually get a couple of things working
[03:09] <torpid> none of my friends have ever been caught, and they do all the updates and everything.
[03:09] <torpid> i don't have time to hack my computer around.
[03:09] <torpid> i'm a musician and i have a full time job
[03:09] <torpid> i need to be able to come home and lay down some tracks and move on to the next task.
[03:09] <torpid> this is such a tough decision though.
[03:10] <torpid> hello?
[03:11] <whiskers> torpid, well i understand your dilemma...many people have it...but if you don't mind giving up all your music for free...well please use linux
[03:12] <crimsun> eh...
[03:13] <crimsun> it's completely possible to create a multiuser audio recording workstation
[03:13] <crimsun> it doesn't make a lot of sense, mind you, but it is _possible_
[03:13] <torpid> multiuser?
[03:13] <torpid> lol
[03:13] <torpid> i just want to be able to make good home recordings.
[03:15] <whiskers> torpid, well what is the matter with sound recorder and your line in or microphone jack
[03:16] <whiskers> torpid, you can record all kinds of strange noises
[03:19] <torpid> lol
[03:20] <Mansor> hi everyone
[03:23] <torpid> i guess i could just build a nice windows box for recording audio, and use a kvm
[03:23] <whiskers> torpid, well just be aware that it will cost you a fortune to use MS stuff
[03:25] <whiskers> torpid, the last i heard...a retail version of xppro was going for around an astronomical $270
[03:26] <whiskers> torpid, and that is with no applications
[03:27] <Mansor> hi anyone uses skype?
[03:27] <whiskers> Mansor, i was testing it but i plan on uninstalling it soon
[03:27] <whiskers> Mansor, why did you want to test something
[03:27] <Mansor> i've got sounds problmes
[03:28] <Mansor> problems, hehe
[03:28] <whiskers> Mansor, well let me fire it up on ubuntu and see what you sound like....what is your user name and location...city, country etc
[03:28] <Mansor> what do you mean test something?
[03:29] <Mansor> Linuxeroman, Uruguay
[03:29] <whiskers> Mansor, ok give me a minute
[03:30] <Mansor> I try everything to set up OSS, but something is missing or not right configured
[03:31] <Mansor> I've got sound on my kubuntu, xmms, soundsystem, etc
[04:05] <_tek> hello eveyrone
[04:05] <Mansor> hi _tek
[04:06] <_tek> kind of quiet in here today it seems.
[04:07] <Mansor> yeah it seems
[04:07] <Mansor> do you use Skype?
[04:08] <_tek> nope, never have, i had installed it on my laptop but never actually tried to use it. on my desktop i do not have a mic hooked up so seemed pointless
[04:09] <_tek> i had setup a system with xandros and noticed it was installed by default but again, never used it. i have free calling on my cell anyway so its not saving me much unless i setup a asterisk box or something
[04:09] <_tek> probably will setup a asterisk box but not for a while. 
[04:10] <Mansor> sure
[04:11] <_tek> questions on it?
[04:12] <Mansor> yes i have sounds problems
[04:12] <Mansor> everything works fine with the sound system
[04:16] <_tek> but nothing through skype?
[04:17] <Mansor> nop
[04:21] <Mansor> do you know how i can enable to play multisound ability?
[04:36] <Mansor> anyone knows how to enable multi-channel sound?
[04:39] <crimsun> multichannel?
[04:39] <crimsun> as in 5.1 or 7.1?
[04:46] <Mansor> no, someone tell me i must enable it to use skype
[04:46] <Mansor> i'm having sounds problems
[04:47] <_tek> i think that is essentiall part of the kernel config, when that is setup right udev should see the device and create the files to use the mixer and other devices that get created.
[04:48] <_tek> udev creates them
[04:48] <_tek> the config of the kernel is what is required for them to be supported. what is your sound card
[04:50] <_tek> cat /proc/asound/devices
[04:51] <_tek> cat /proc/asound/cards
[04:51] <_tek> run those.
[04:51] <_tek> sorry, im off working on 3 systems at the same time so im not exactly focused on any one thing
[04:56] <crimsun> Mansor: I have no idea what you mean by "multi-channel"
[04:56] <crimsun> Mansor: do you mean 5.1, or do you mean "multiple simultaneous streams"?
[05:10] <kkathman> evening all :)
[05:12] <kkathman> hey there smouche how are you tonight!
[05:13] <smouche> hey hey!
[05:13] <smouche> kkathman - good to see you -- upgrade go well?
[05:14] <kkathman> yes very well, smouche I now have 3 linux boxes, so I retired 2 more :)
[05:15] <smouche> good work!  kkathman, I'm having a blast playing with alsamixer and audacity...
[05:16] <kkathman> smouche so tell me about those two apps...what are they and what are you using them for?
[05:17] <phxguy> Has anyone in here used klik before?
[05:18] <smouche> Audacity for recording, alsamixer runs in a terminal and is vastly more convenient to use than kmix
[05:19] <smouche> kkathman, Audacity isn't bad at all, though the interface takes some getting used to.  Not as good as cooledit in windows, but good enough.
[05:19] <kkathman> smouche I see...so thats good then :)
[05:20] <kkathman> I was told about a new "graphics editor" similar to Photoshop, that I am thinking about playing with smouche
[05:20] <smouche> kkathman, I love these ncurses apps -- like a gui hidden within the gui -- 
[05:21] <smouche> (alsamixer is ncurses, audacity is not)
[05:21] <smouche> what's it called kkathman?
[05:22] <kkathman> its called Krita, KDE app, but from what I have read, its a bit on the experimental side right now
[05:22] <kkathman> smouche http://www.koffice.org/krita/
[05:23] <jubei> I follwoed this howto and I still cant burn mp3s in k3b http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=21044&page=1&pp=10
[05:23] <kkathman> smouche: hehe, well there also seems to be some promises that Paint Shop Pro might run under Wine, but not sure of the version
[05:23] <smouche> damn, I'm a sloppy typist and speller on here!  "metal" 
[05:24] <smouche> I love paint shop pro -- but, I do not drink... wine...
[05:24] <kkathman> smouche: its ok, I have spell check as I read it
[05:24] <kkathman> smouche: lol....I have to see what version of PSP I have...I think that Wine supports lower versions
[05:25] <kkathman> these win emulators kind of tend to support older versions but not newer ones
[05:25] <smouche> I tried wine once, managed to get the splash screen for Adobe Audacity (formerly cooledit pro -- an audio recording tool) running, that was it!
[05:25] <kkathman> wine supports like Photoshop 4 and Dreamweaver 4 but not the newer things
[05:26] <underlord> dreamweaver mx is supported too i think
[05:26] <kkathman> smouche if you check the wine page, there is a link there to something called "Frank's Corner" and he tells you how to tweak things to run many applications
[05:26] <smouche> I may give it a try again -
[05:27] <kkathman> Im going to give krita a spin, possibly, and see if it has any stability whatsoever
[05:27] <kkathman> they are queueing it for Open Office v4 I think
[05:28] <smouche> kkathman, I actually like koffice a lot - more than open office anyway.  Just not sure about compatibility of there file formats, etc...
[05:28] <smouche> don't have koffice on here at the moment  -- not doing any heavy duty office stuff
[05:28] <smouche> though I should be!
[05:29] <smouche> Il think I'll apt-get krita too and take a look...
[05:30] <kkathman> smouche: I dont do any "office stuff" as of yet, but I have used Open Office to test out compatibiity and sure enough you can create docs in Word and read them in Open Office and vice versa...the only issue is the fonts thing.
[05:30] <smouche> rats, krita doesn't appear to be available outside of the koffice bundles...
[05:30] <kkathman> oh so you have to dl all of koffice to get it, smouche?
[05:31] <smouche> kkathman, I know -- I was referring to koffice's compatibility, not oo -- I use oo all the time in windows
[05:31] <smouche> I don't even own Microsoft Office
[05:31] <kkathman> I saw the K-office page...and Im pretty impressed
[05:32] <smouche> I'm pretty impressed with Abiword, actually, for basic word processing.  Fast anyway; open office seems bloated
[05:33] <smouche> I liked the koffice interface...
[05:33] <smouche> kkathman, I'm surprised kubuntu didn't go with Koffice by default
[05:34] <kkathman> smouche: yeah thats kinda interesting, but Open Office has been around alot I guess
[05:34] <kkathman> I wonder if there is a way to de-install open office if one like Koffice better?
[05:34] <kkathman> I mean I got 100gb now, so Im not worried
[05:36] <smouche> I notice krita isn't included in the koffice metapackage --
[05:38] <kkathman> oh really?
[05:38] <smouche> so , to answer your question above, kkathman -- no, you don't need the koffice metapackage to get krita, 'cause krita isn't even in there!
[05:38] <kkathman> I need to check out that krita page again
[05:40] <smouche> hmmm -- kkathman, that page says:
[05:40] <smouche> Krita has been under development since 1999, but that doesn't mean it's anywhere near usable yet. Currently (that is, March 2005) working are:
[05:40] <smouche> etc etc
[05:41] <kkathman> yeah its now classified as pre-alpha
[05:41] <kkathman> heres the download site: http://ktown.kde.org/~danimo/krita/preview1/
[05:41] <chavo> kkathman, krita hasn't been released with koffice yet.
[05:41] <smouche> heh, kind of like Wine!
[05:41] <chavo> it's still a little buggy
[05:41] <kkathman> Krita, previously known as Krayon and KimageShop, is still in pre-alpha state, but is ready to be initially previewed by eager users. The first preview release is now available for downloaKrita, previously known as Krayon and KimageShop, is still in pre-alpha state, but is ready to be initially previewed by eager users. The first preview release is now available for downloa
[05:42] <chavo> you can get it from cvs head though/
[05:42] <kkathman> hey chavo :)
[05:42] <chavo> hello
[05:42] <kkathman> chavo: have you tried it by chance?
[05:42] <chavo> kkathman, yes. It's still pretty buggy.
[05:43] <kkathman> Guess I'll still have to hang onto my windows box for a while...and use PS7 and Flash there
[05:44] <chavo> it looks nice so far http://2sdw.com/krita.png
[05:45] <smouche> yeah, probably more worth while experimenting with wine for some of the windows stuff, than with krita.
[05:45] <smouche> the screen shots look good!
[05:45] <chavo> Photoshop works well with crossover office.
[05:46] <chavo> Yeah, like I said it's looking nice, but crashes a lot.
[05:46] <kkathman> chavo: Photoshop 7??
[05:46] <chavo> kkathman, That's waht I've heard, never tried it myself.
[05:47] <kkathman> I thought I read that PS7 was only classified as a bronze app 
[05:47] <kkathman> wine wont run it
[05:47] <chavo> I just use the gimp and Paint Shop Pro, not much of an artist.
[05:47] <chavo> Paint Shop Pro works under wine for me.
[05:48] <chavo> I use an older version of PSP though.
[05:48] <smouche> well, that ain't bad!  which version of psp, chavo?
[05:48] <smouche> ah
[05:48] <chavo> 7
[05:48] <kkathman> ah its a Silver App for CrossOver
[05:48] <kkathman> chavo: Right seems wine does really well for older apps
[05:48] <_tek> <--gimp rocks, love it use it often
[05:49] <kkathman> I have PSP 7
[05:49] <chavo> For me, the gimp does everything I need it to.
[05:49] <_tek> ditto i have used it now for about 4 years i think. done many webpages and business cards in it.
[05:49] <_tek> love it
[05:50] <_tek> pretty decent with it. perfer it over photoshop even but i do not do graphic arts for a living either.
[05:51] <kkathman> gimp seems to be ok, but I miss alot of the layer effects that I get with PS7
[05:51] <_tek> cant see paying what they want for photoshop to have to turn around and run it in windows or mess with crossover even though i do have crossover. older version though.
[05:51] <kkathman> Some of that, Im sure, is that I am unfamiliar with Gimp, and extremely familiar with Photoshop :)
[05:51] <chavo> Yeah I don't do much graphics work myself. Just my bands website and touching up photos.
[05:52] <kkathman> _tek: I got PS7, Flash, and DW MX 2004 from a friend for $50
[05:52] <_tek> same here, couple of flyers every once in a while, my business cards and my websites and every once in a while websites for customers
[05:52] <_tek> yeah but is it legal?
[05:52] <_ReDRuM_> lot of graphics people i know who are also linux people say it's not really adequate
[05:52] <_ReDRuM_> (gimp)
[05:52] <kkathman> _tek: Oh yes, I have a key and everything with the disk
[05:53] <_tek> redrum< yeah its also really not 500 - 800 bucks
[05:53] <kkathman> It was just his copy, and he dumped all his windows stuff and went to Mac
[05:53] <_tek> ah, ok.. good deal then
[05:53] <_tek> < -- all legal software, everything....
[05:54] <_tek> vmware and one other piece of linux software called sep is the only thing i run that isnt free
[05:54] <_ReDRuM_> whats sep?
[05:54] <kkathman> It wasnt gonna do him any good, and he said he'd just want something fair....so I offered him $300, 100 for each, and he came back and said...no no no...how about $50 and I said SOLD!
[05:54] <_ReDRuM_> vmware? why? :P to run windows?
[05:54] <_tek> sysbotz enterprise platform its a invoicing app i run for my business, essentially its a LAMP app 
[05:55] <_tek> yes, i work on computers for a living so i have to fire up windows to walk people through issues all the time
[05:55] <_ReDRuM_> heh
[05:55] <_ReDRuM_> cool
[05:56] <kkathman> _tek:  I need a good billing program for my web services company...do you have a link for that?
[05:56] <kkathman> I
[05:56] <_tek> had vmware working too but it just took a shit on my after installing winxp_pro into it. now nothing starts up in vmware, going to remove everything and start it over again.
[05:56] <kkathman> I would preferably like something open source, tho
[05:56] <_tek> sure, its www.sysbotz.com if i recall correctly
[05:56] <_ReDRuM_> scam
[05:56] <_ReDRuM_> sysbotz looks tasty
[05:57] <_tek> for hosting kkathman?
[05:57] <_ReDRuM_> you can get a free program called phpcoin that does a limited invoicing etc it doesnt look anything like sysbotz though
[05:57] <kkathman> _tek: Nah...web design, marketing, systems consulting, blah blah
[05:57] <_tek> i really like lamp apps. 
[05:58] <_tek> you looked at sql-ledger?
[05:58] <kkathman> _tek: I just need something that I can like enter code into it, and it comes back and translates those and prints a bill, then I can mark later when they paid it.
[05:58] <_tek> its alot more than what you need but it does do nice invoices
[05:58] <_ReDRuM_> kkathman: modernbill is the business
[05:58] <_ReDRuM_> but its quite pricey
[05:58] <_ReDRuM_> phpcoin is free and will do (hope your web design skills are ok tho the default interface is junk)
[05:58] <\sh> morning all
[05:58] <_ReDRuM_> morning sh
[05:58] <_ReDRuM_> night sh
[05:59] <\sh> hehe
[05:59] <kkathman> night _ReDRuM_ !
[05:59] <_tek> later redrum
[05:59] <\sh> dayshift's coming
[05:59] <kkathman> morning \sh :)
[05:59] <_tek> so kkathman have you looked at sql-ledger? its web based which for me is the number one concern
[05:59] <kkathman> _tek: I just need something to log my hours, have it charge to a client, then print a bill
[06:00] <kkathman> _tek:  Nope...got a reference for that?
[06:00] <_tek> sql-ledger will do that. plus one hell of alot more. its done in perl and runs on postgres and apache
[06:00] <_tek> sql-ledger.net i think? or .org
[06:01] <kkathman> great _tek, thanks alot I appreciate the references ..I'll check em out
[06:01] <_tek> its .org i just checked
[06:01] <_tek> i know business apps pretty damn well
[06:01] <kkathman> _tek: how pricey are those?
[06:01] <_tek> also if you do not care about it being web enabled look at gnucash. 
[06:01] <_tek> all but sep are free
[06:02] <_tek> or moneydance, its also free
[06:02] <kkathman> sep is the sysbotz app?
[06:02] <_tek> yes
[06:02] <kkathman> k
[06:03] <_tek> they have two different ones, sep is the higher priced one and what i bought.
[06:03] <_tek> it had a few things that were nicer for what i do, its all php and xml
[06:03] <kkathman> wow that sql-ledger is a full bookkeeping system
[06:03] <_tek> interface is done in dhtml so you can even modify layout
[06:03] <_tek> yes it is.
[06:04] <\sh> kkathman: u need something like this? http://gttr.sourceforge.net/
[06:04] <_tek> <--- hates bookkeeping... i just farmed that out to an outside company beginning of this year
[06:05] <\sh> _tek: there is a fork of sql-ledger for the german market...:) it's nice for a small company :)
[06:05] <_tek> it is, better for a company that does not have anything in place though or they try to compare to what they were using before.
[06:05] <kkathman> _tek: Yeah thats a good thing too, the program I use now in windows (I have an "extended" evaluation) has time control with the billing aspect
[06:06] <_tek> i have done a migration from peachtree2000 to that
[06:06] <_tek> sucked... hate doing migrations but it pays well
[06:07] <kkathman> _tek: Yep it does!
[06:07] <_tek> did a windows to linux migration for one company that took almost 3 months, the damn vendor did not even know how their shit ran...
[06:07] <_tek> no windows machines left in that company other than one running in win4lin
[06:07] <kkathman> haha
[06:07] <kkathman> you'd be surprised
[06:08] <kkathman> The company I work for does major enterprise software for manufacturers..and we have a full staff that does migrations and installations...and we have the same issues with vendors not knowing their stuff
[06:08] <\sh> last time I did a migration from windows to unix was year before last
[06:09] <_tek> have one you will laugh about. i setup two computers running knoppix for this hotel in the lobby. after a few months they wanted to have one of the systems to run winXP cause the pilots that come in (its next to an airport) need to use IE in windows for their citrix client software
[06:09] <_tek> a year later someone stole one of the machines out of the lobby, yes which one they stole?
[06:09] <\sh> from windows to sun solaris enterprise solutions :) blades with pc cards inside and citrix clients...the best of two worlds for TAs and chiefs ;)
[06:10] <_tek> yes = guess
[06:10] <\sh> and good thing was, taking my sun laptop to the toilet and working further on, wireless ;) with the session created before..thank god we know something about smartcards
[06:11] <_tek> someone stole the knoppix system , it didnt even have a HD. they left the winXP box
[06:11] <\sh> lol
[06:11] <kkathman> haha
[06:11] <_tek> i laughed my ass off
[06:12] <jair_11> hello guys
[06:12] <jair_11> I am readyy to install kubuntu
[06:12] <kkathman> My wife looked at my linux system and wanted to know why my system was so much faster than her win system
[06:12] <_tek> hello jair
[06:12] <jair_11> hahaha
[06:12] <kkathman> go for it jair_11 
[06:12] <\sh> ok..last cigarette before getting ready for the office
[06:12] <kkathman> jair_11: O
[06:12] <_tek> tell her cause your running service pack 3 and she is only running service pack 2
[06:12] <kkathman> oops
[06:12] <kkathman> HAHA
[06:13] <jair_11> _tek, how are you I did not realize that kubuntu was born and I download ubuntu. but the thing is I am a kde lover
[06:13] <WillySilly> my apt is totally screwed over
[06:13] <kkathman> nah, I told her that I was running Linux and she said she could "never" learn that
[06:13] <\sh> jair_11: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop :)
[06:13] <WillySilly> the status backup doesnt work
[06:13] <_tek> im doing well. he beat me to it...
[06:13] <smouche> well, jair_11 -- if you want, you could install ubuntu, then add kubuntu-desktop afterwards
[06:13] <jair_11> \sh, but that will be the same can i get rig of gnome?
[06:13] <kkathman> jair_11: Thats actually good,  you should install the base hoary then apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[06:13] <jair_11> ohhh ok
[06:14] <smouche> but if you don't want gnome at all, better burn kubuntu...
[06:14] <jair_11> I think will be cool
[06:14] <jair_11> will not damage anything?
[06:14] <jair_11> ohh
[06:14] <_tek> no issues have both installed
[06:14] <jair_11> kkathman, I think I will give it a try to see both who knows?
[06:14] <jair_11> _tek, perfect I will check that then
[06:14] <kkathman> I have both gnome and KDE
[06:14] <jair_11> also guys I have a small doubt
[06:14] <_tek> <--hates gnome, totally despises it
[06:15] <kkathman> but dont install from the kubuntu disk
[06:15] <jair_11> I was reading that ubuntu come in a enterprise version?
[06:15] <kkathman> yeah I dont care for it either _tek
[06:15] <\sh> jair_11: yeah, but for me it doesn't matter, couple of megs more on the HD..good for the support line to know both worlds, sorry three worlds, have xfce4 running as well ;)
[06:15] <_tek> kde all the way, rather run blackbox than gnome
[06:15] <jair_11> kubuntu also come in ent... version?
[06:15] <_tek> not sure, i read something about that too.
[06:15] <smouche> jair_11 - no it doesn't, unless there's been a major shift in philosophy recently
[06:15] <_tek> personally its not ready yet, still quite a few bugs
[06:16] <smouche> but Canonical offers enterprise support plans or something for it
[06:16] <jair_11> smouche, but if you check on the home page of ubuntu.com they say thata
[06:16] <jair_11> taht
[06:16] <jair_11> that
[06:16] <smouche> thataboy!
[06:16] <jair_11> check please www.ubuntu.com
[06:16] <\sh> it's written, that the enterprise version will not cost anything more then the standard edition :)
[06:16] <jair_11> smouche, sorry
[06:16] <kkathman> _tek: talk about impressive, I was about to just dump my old Dell P2-450 and decided to do a little experiment to see if I could get ubuntu on it. Runs like a freakin champ and recognized EVERY piece of hardware on it :)
[06:16] <jair_11> \sh, exacly
[06:16] <\sh> so enterprise is still the same as standard
[06:16] <\sh> and standard will be professional 
[06:16] <\sh> cost the same
[06:16] <smouche> jair_11, what \sh said, that's what I meant
[06:17] <jair_11> \sh, ohhh ok
[06:17] <_tek> which is 0 dollars its free \sh
[06:17] <jair_11> cool then the last question before pump the cd and reboot my FC 3
[06:17] <jair_11> hahaha
[06:17] <jair_11> i also read that the new release are every 18 months
[06:17] <_tek> oh yeah i believe it kkathman
[06:17] <\sh> _tek: well...free i don't know, cause there is support for free or from canonical :)
[06:17] <jair_11> it is easy do the upgrades?
[06:18] <kkathman> _tek: That Dell had only 128mb of memory in it...and it runs ubuntu flawlessly
[06:18] <_tek> apt-get update 
[06:18] <smouche> ya don't need Canonical when ya got #kubuntu!
[06:18] <\sh> jair_11: 6
[06:18] <jair_11> I mean from versions to other newer versions
[06:18] <_tek> followed by apt-get upgrade
[06:18] <\sh> 6 months per release
[06:18] <jair_11> \sh, what do you mean?
[06:18] <jair_11> 6 months right
[06:18] <_tek> or in terms of versions apt-get dist-upgrade
[06:18] <\sh> release cycle is 6 monts
[06:18] <jair_11> guys I want to use a distro for couple of years
[06:18] <smouche> 6 months, with a possibly very usable release candidate before that...
[06:18] <_tek> hold on phone call
[06:18] <jair_11> what can you recommend me then?
[06:18] <jair_11> ok
[06:19] <jair_11> that is why i hate cell phones
[06:19] <smouche> kubuntu, why not?  just don't upgrade it if you're happy
[06:19] <jair_11> guys it is possible update or upgrade from versions>
[06:19] <jair_11> ?
[06:19] <smouche> of course.
[06:19] <\sh> jair_11: running ubuntu with kubuntu-desktop it's nice, it's runnin, better then anything else I saw right now on the linux market
[06:20] <jair_11> smouche, because remember the cds shipment free that they were giving on the first ubuntu
[06:20] <\sh> and I'm a really old gentoo compiler fart
[06:20] <smouche> jair_11, it's using the latest version of kde, and it's superb
[06:20] <jair_11> cool
[06:20] <jair_11> ok
[06:20] <jair_11> I have couple of those cds
[06:20] <jair_11> and I wanted to give it to some friends
[06:20] <jair_11> but they are 4. something versions
[06:21] <\sh> jair_11: order new hoary ones
[06:21] <jair_11> and I don't know if they will be able to upgrade?
[06:21] <jair_11> hmm so that means that they can not upgrade?
[06:21] <\sh> jair_11: of course they can
[06:21] <jair_11> \sh, cool
[06:22] <jair_11> I want in the future be part of developer of Linux and help in the upgrade processes.
[06:22] <jair_11> cool
[06:22] <jair_11> that is one of my dreams
[06:22] <jair_11> cool
[06:23] <jair_11> ok guys so then I will be back in couple of minutes, then I assume that after I install i will just run apt-get update and I will be ready to go
[06:23] <smouche> jair_11
[06:23] <smouche> you'll probably want to use "apt-get dist-upgrade"
[06:23] <jair_11> also I will be prompted on the installation process for the server packages repositories right?
[06:23] <\sh> jair_11: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryUpgradeNotes
[06:23] <smouche> the basic packages will already be there -- you can add others later
[06:24] <jair_11> cool
[06:24] <jair_11> thank you guys I will be back soon ok
[06:24] <jair_11> thank you this is nice
[06:24] <smouche> and of course, use "sudo" jair_11 -- there's no log-in as root
[06:24] <smouche> in ubuntu
[06:24] <\sh> and I'm getting ready for the office...
[06:24] <\sh> laters dudes
[06:24] <jair_11> do you guys know if the kubuntu support the "ipw2100" centrino minipci?
[06:25] <smouche> take care \sh
[06:25] <jair_11> ok
[06:25] <jair_11> smouche, perfect got it
[06:25] <smouche> lot of brits on here, aren't there?
[06:25] <jair_11> do you guys know if the kubuntu support the "ipw2100" centrino minipci?
[06:25] <jair_11> smouche, do you know?
[06:25] <smouche> sorry, jair_11, I don't
[06:25] <jair_11> ok
[06:25] <jair_11> cool
[06:26] <kkathman> _tek: Do you have any experience getting systems sensors that are in like /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRN to show up in monitors?
[06:26] <smouche> still a newbie myself
[06:26] <jair_11> if is base on debian I think I will have to make the compilation and other configurations from scartch then. cool
[06:26] <jair_11> ok guys see you
[06:26] <smouche> good luck
[06:27] <_tek> kkathman < did it on one box quite a while ago. dont remember it though
[06:27] <smouche> I gotta go to bed! see ya guys
[06:27] <kkathman> _tek: I run superkaramba and cant seem to get any monitors to show up
[06:28] <kkathman> night smouche...cya tomorrow :)
[06:28] <_tek> i am really bad, i do not document alot of what i do till i have done it 3 or 4 times
[06:28] <_tek> superkaramba crashes my shit, i can not run it.
[06:28] <kkathman> really?
[06:28] <kkathman> I havent had any probs yet
[06:28] <kkathman> but I only run a monitor and a weather applet
[06:28] <_tek> crashed me each time i left it up and running for the night
[06:29] <_tek> i just run gkrellm i have used it forever... 
[06:29] <kkathman> yeah I started with that one
[06:30] <kkathman> but even that didnt pick up the sensors
[06:30] <_tek> i do not remember what all i had to do to get it going, best documentation i found for that though was with nagios
[06:32] <kkathman> is there a command I can issue to find the IP addresses of all the computers on the network (like an smbtree with IP addrs)
[06:35] <glass-eye> anyone know the numerical value of the end of file marker in linux?
[06:35] <glass-eye> ^D
[06:35] <_tek> kkathman you could ping the broadcast address but windows boxes alot of time do not respond and if the linux boxes are setup to not respond to ICMP they wont either.
[06:36] <kkathman> _tek: Then what's the linux equivalent of an ipconfig?
[06:36] <glass-eye> ifconfig
[06:37] <kkathman> thanks :)
[06:38] <WillySilly> my apt is totally screwed over
[06:38] <WillySilly> the status backup doesnt work
[06:41] <_tek> <-- on phone call
[06:57] <whiskers> Edgar are you still there...my dsl was knocked out for a long time
[06:57] <kkathman> hey whiskers !
[06:57] <whiskers> Edgar if you are still here we will get skype working for you on ubuntu if that is what you want
[06:58] <paulproteus> kubuntu.de/party is awesome :)
[06:58] <whiskers> man those bastards knocked out my dsl and stopped me from getting the top secret t2
[06:58] <whiskers> now i have to start all over
[07:01] <whiskers> also Edgar needed some help with his Skype on ubuntu and they knocked me out from helping him
[07:03] <whiskers> these rich capitalist pigs really piss me off
[07:13] <whiskers> they don't want anybody to have free long distance telephone
[07:13] <whiskers> they want to screw them out of all their money for long distance communications
[07:50] <jan> hi anyone make any sense of this http://pastebin.com/272656 ?
[07:54] <whiskers> man it sure is hard to get the new star wars revolutions film on bit torrent today
[07:55] <jan> use the news groups 
[07:55] <whiskers> is anybody else having any trouble getting the new star wars film
[07:55] <whiskers> the torrent is working but the download speed is slow
[07:56] <jan> any devs here? Riddell you around?
[07:56] <whiskers> i can't understand why there would be so much trouble with star wars since the publishers are complying with gnu and making it totally free
[07:57] <whiskers> and legally free
[08:02] <kkathman> if I have an install program that has an "sh" suffix, how do I execute that? In a term window or what?
[08:03] <whiskers> its funny....people are asking for a torrent file of the torrent files to get it
[08:05] <whiskers> it is going to take forever...i wonder if it is even worth it...has anybody seen it
[08:05] <ice_1963> what
[08:05] <whiskers> the new gnu star wars film provided legally free by Panic Stricken
[08:06] <whiskers> ice_1963, you haven't kept up with the news....people are asking for a torrent file of the torrent files...it is funny
[08:06] <ice_1963> ok no i have not seen it
[08:14] <delltony> anyone knwo what the command is to run a scan of the file system?
[08:14] <delltony> i have tried shutdown -Fr now with no success
[08:15] <delltony> and touch /forcefsck 
[08:15] <delltony> when bootin in maintance mode how you remount root to read only
[08:21] <whiskers> man that thing is barely coming in at 40k/sec...it is going to take more than 1 hour to get this movie
[08:21] <whiskers> i guess there is not enough people on the torrents
[08:23] <whiskers> seems to be getting mixed review by some people who claim to have seen it
[08:25] <whiskers> and it looks like i will have to play it on win98 because they did not use ogg-theora...i don't know why
[08:27] <whiskers> i wonder how many people are going to try to sell it for money on ebay along with all  that other stuff like nintondo
[08:27] <whiskers> do they really think that we don't know nintondo is much cheaper than nintendo
[08:28] <whiskers> some people were even trying to sell openoffice on ebay
[08:28] <whiskers> these people are crazy to take free stuff and try to make money off of it
[08:29] <_tek> some people also think you have to pay to have an OS on their computer and ALL os's have virus's
[08:30] <whiskers> _tek, yes the antivirus guys make megabucks cleaning viruses off peoples data and computers
[08:30] <whiskers> _tek, they have been doing that since the dos days...when mcaffee was around
[08:30] <_tek> i also make bucks off of cleaning virus's and spyware off of computers i also recover all of their files and put them back on the system aftewards... thank you clause knopper
[08:32] <_tek> i do several every week. to the point i am getting ready to open a storefront and run adds on tv just for data recover, spyware and virus removal service
[08:33] <_tek> bring me your sick wounded and infected XP boxes, 
[08:33] <_tek> yum yum...
[08:33] <_tek> tastes like candy from a baby
[08:34] <_tek> sweeeeeeeet!
[08:34] <whiskers> well whatever but i think anyone trying to make money off of free stuff has a deficient conscience
[08:34] <whiskers> selling openoffice on ebay should outrage Sun if not anyone else too
[08:35] <_tek> im making money off of it, im using knoppix disks to get their data back and charging them hourly to do it. 
[08:35] <_tek> buy in all honesty when office is like 500 bucks and someone is on dialup your providing them a server by selling them a cd of openoffice
[08:35] <whiskers> _tek, well then what do you think of nintondo vs nintendo
[08:35] <_tek> buy=but
[08:35] <_tek> don't know anything about it.
[08:36] <whiskers> _tek, yea right...selling a 10cent CD for $15...right...right....
[08:36] <whiskers> _tek, i remember when gnuwin got busted...because they were recompiling gnu code and trying to sell it to windows users
[08:38] <whiskers> _tek, some people are crazy and have a deficient conscience
[08:40] <whiskers> _tek, i saw a lot of crooks in academics where professors were trying to make money off of other people's ideas.
[08:40] <whiskers> _tek, they were really sick people to ask for a salary to discuss someone elses' idea
[08:42] <whiskers> _tek, and what is worse ...they spread their sickness like a virus to their students
[08:45] <whiskers> _tek, it is totally sickening to see someone try to profit off of someone elses' ideas.......that is why Bill Gates is a monster....he tries to make money off of other people's ideas.
[08:46] <kkathman> anyone had any experience getting Photoshop to install under CrossoverOffice?
[09:05] <_tek> whiskers> there is nothing in gnu that prevents anyone from making money off of OSS, what is pathetic is when a company takes it try's to hide what it is and then tries to make money out of it.
[09:06] <_tek> whiskers> i work every day as a linux consultant(althought i make 5 times as much fixing windows problems) and its how i pay my bills. i dont write software, i just make it work and set shit up.
[09:07] <whiskers> i mean everybody knows these kinds of websites and issues
[09:07] <whiskers> http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-1724.html
[09:07] <_tek> to someone who does not have broadband or a cd burner though 15 bucks to not have to spend 500 is a deal. 
[09:08] <_tek> i give that shit away every day though, everytime i rebuild a windows box and they don't have ms office i make sure the they have openoffice when they walk out with their system
[09:08] <whiskers> _tek, sounds like you are trying to rationalize and justify what you choose to do.....this is no different than Bill Gates
[09:08] <_tek> i do not charge for it, but i really dont see an issue with selling them the disk
[09:09] <whiskers> _tek, the whole point of GNU is to have everything for free...so that no one makes any money
[09:09] <_tek> whiskers>wrong sparky, do not need to rationalize anything
[09:10] <_tek> so i should go out and set you up with a laptop running linux for free and convert your business to linux for free so you the business owner makes more money with less expense and i get a fucking xmas card for doing so... nope, dont think so.
[09:10] <whiskers> _tek, yes and you should give all your creative works in any form away for free and your house and car too
[09:10] <_tek> i have spent 20 years learning this stuff. you want free help show up here and ask a question you want me to drive to you its a hourly deal.... period
[09:12] <_tek> don't see anyone showing up for free to do anything for me.
[09:12] <_tek> ?
[09:12] <whiskers> _tek, well are you using GNU software
[09:12] <whiskers> _tek, they wrote it for free just for you.
[09:13] <whiskers> _tek, and they only ask that you give away everything you have too for free
[09:13] <_tek> <--does not use windows to do anything other than to walk people out of hell, in other words i have/had it running in vmware but only use linux and helps author a book on windows to linux migrations
[09:14] <_tek> helps = helped, as in co-author
[09:14] <whiskers> _tek, again...you are acting like a thief...and trying to make money off of someone elses ideas
[09:14] <whiskers> _tek, you did not write windows and you did not create GNU/Linux
[09:15] <_tek> set the crack pipe down skippy
[09:15] <whiskers> _tek, you are trying to profit off of someone else's ideas
[09:15] <_tek> what have you written
[09:15] <whiskers> _tek, that is very sick
[09:15] <_tek> i am supporting it.
[09:15] <_tek> you pay a mechanic to change your oil?
[09:15] <_tek> you pay to have food cooked for you?
[09:16] <_tek> you buy gasoline from a non-refinery owned company?
[09:16] <_tek> you buy your computer from intel?
[09:16] <_tek> do you know what service is???????????????????????????????
[09:17] <whiskers> _tek, where i bought my parts is irrelevant...i paid for their hardware ideas....not someone trying to capitalize from other's ideas
[09:17] <_tek> so everyone who owns a computer should know how to put it together of they should not have one?
[09:17] <whiskers> _tek, capitalism is a terrible sickness and it spreads like a virus
[09:18] <_tek> what do you do for a living, huh?
[09:18] <_tek> huh?
[09:18] <whiskers> _tek, i have not been able to work for 11 years....i don't know how to honestly make one dime
[09:19] <_tek> i have designed computers, i have studied my ass off for years now. i worked at cisco and logitech in research and development as a prototyper
[09:20] <whiskers> _tek, oh yeah....logitech's R&D...make me laugh....do you not know they bought and tried to capitalize off of someone else's force feedback idea
[09:20] <_tek> the fact you do not know how to make a dime is sad in a way, if you know and i mean really really know computers and you have people coming to you with work, you should not do everything for free. 
[09:21] <_tek> wrong, i was an employee way back when, we licensed a bunch of stuff from emersion technologies, i helped work on the first logitech forcefeedback joysticks. the only other one in existance at that time was by Microsoft
[09:21] <whiskers> _tek, you think you should pursue money......have you never heard that the love of money is the root of all evil
[09:22] <_tek> you think im rich? i may not be broke but i work 15 hour days 7 days a week
[09:22] <whiskers> _tek, highlight....purchased and tried to capitalize off of EMERSION TECHNOLOGIES
[09:22] <_tek> im not sitting home watching opra
[09:23] <whiskers> _tek, i hope not...because then you would be supporting the transmission capitalists that try to make money by transmitting other people's ideas
[09:23] <_tek> what do you do sit at home all day making bread and shoe's so you can walk and eat?
[09:24] <whiskers> _tek, no i do not have a home...i also have no shoes.
[09:24] <_tek> well when you find those you might find your brain
[09:24] <whiskers> _tek, after 11 years of no job you do not own very much
[09:25] <_tek> if you can sit there and type dude and you know anything about unix you could have a job, sounds more like your lazy
[09:25] <_tek> that is a different situation
[09:25] <_tek> or is marketing your skills a bad thing too?
[09:26] <_tek> dude, you can not really be this clueless, i do not mean to be rude but wake up.
[09:26] <whiskers> _tek, well you believe what you want...but when you take on a capitalist government and sick capitalist people..you have your hands full and no time for a job not to mention that no one will give you a job
[09:26] <_tek> then work for the eff or one of a hundred other organizations and fight the fight but fucking paid... duh
[09:27] <whiskers> _tek, that is totally hypocritical to try to profit off of someone elses' ideas...whether it be defending them or otherwise.
[09:27] <_tek> idealism is realism practiced over a long period of time
[09:27] <_tek> so what the company who can not get mail throws away their server and buys another, what is their choice in your world huh?
[09:28] <whiskers> _tek, figure it out.
[09:28] <_tek> they get hacked and you do what, nothing? at some point you bring in a professional
[09:28] <_tek> they pay me to figure it out, they are company not an IT company
[09:29] <_tek> i do the networks for about 100 companies, some doing as much as 35 million a year online
[09:29] <_tek> i am not rich dude, im a functional junky i would be doing this even if i did not get paid i love it, its all i do. but i am good.
[09:30] <_tek> in your world if you did not write it you can not sell it and if you can not install it you sit in your small room and figure it out by yourself. that is a long way away from reality dude.
[09:32] <_tek> although i did not ask for help when i was learning unix, i did sit there and study and learn it myself, i give back plenty i am the founder of a linux users group i give tons of hours and support away.... you do what again? other than use stuff you do not write or suppport?
[09:35] <whiskers> _tek, sounds to me that you have an ego the size of your fat wallet....but no conscience at all
[09:35] <_tek> ROFLOL
[09:35] <_tek> who taught you linux and how long have you been doing it huh?
[09:36] <_tek> all i hear so far is you taking, what are you giving?
[09:37] <_tek> you on gov support? your  not working, you have already said so.
[09:37] <whiskers> _tek, i have worked with it for 11 years or so and never took one dime and never will in respect of other people's ideas
[09:38] <_tek> so you run around all day fixing peoples systems for free, what are you the open source fairy?
[09:40] <_tek> im doing 2-5 systems a day. you teaching anyone about open source? i have monthly classes * that are free and i frequently buy the food* 
[09:41] <_tek> tell us whiskers, how are you contributing since your so quick to say someone who is making their living doing IT work with linux is *EVIL*
[09:41] <corp_> hello
[09:42] <_tek> hello corp how ya doing?
[09:42] <corp_> okay tek. i just have a small problem
[09:42] <_tek> hey kkathman
[09:42] <corp_> i installed a .deb package of a KDE theme
[09:42] <_tek> ok whats up corp
[09:42] <corp_> but it doesn't show up in the KDE themes manager
[09:42] <_tek> have you restarted KDE
[09:43] <corp_> i closed my session. should i restart X?
[09:43] <_tek> save anything you have that you need to and do a ctrl-alt-backspace and restart X
[09:43] <corp_> okbrb
[09:43] <_tek> k
[09:44] <_tek> thanks whiskers, quick of you to jump in and help him out.
[09:44] <_tek> lol
[09:44] <_tek> <--sorry, drinking beer, which i did not brew
[09:44] <corp> hmm, no luck
[09:45] <_tek> your running kubuntu right?
[09:45] <corp> is there a way to load the theme directly in the screen?
[09:45] <corp> yes, i am
[09:45] <_tek> well is it a 3.4 theme, i do not know what they changed in the theme handling
[09:45] <corp> i installed the baghira theme
[09:45] <_tek> what theme is it?
[09:45] <corp> it was in synaptic
[09:45] <corp> a .deb file
[09:46] <_tek> but out of kubuntu or just out of the sarge,woody or "what is the unstable tree called?"
[09:46] <corp> well, i dont know. i just downloaded it that's all
[09:46] <_tek> what was it called though.
[09:46] <_tek> it does need to be a 3.4 theme
[09:47] <corp> the theme is called baghira
[09:47] <corp> it's a 3.2+ theme
[09:47] <_tek> ahh, 3.2 will not work, but you can download the source for it and compile it. its not hard... granted be the first one to admit a .deb is easier
[09:48] <corp> hmm. why would i be able to download it from synaptic then?
[09:48] <corp> i assumed i would get an error or something
[09:48] <_tek> hold on, let me check real quick then. didnt think baghira was in universe yet.
[09:49] <_tek> kwin-bahira?
[09:50] <_tek> sorry, kwin-baghira
[09:50] <corp> yes
[09:51] <corp> now i see, the "widgets" section can be changed to baghira
[09:51] <_tek> yes, 
[09:51] <_tek> then you can modify it
[09:52] <corp> that's it though, i assumed it was a whole theme
[09:52] <_tek> can also set it by alternate clicking on the top of a title bar and selecting
[09:52] <_tek> window decorations.
[09:52] <torpid> or i could just correct the owner of my home directory
[09:52] <torpid> which somehow got changed to something radically different.
[09:53] <corp> ok
[09:53] <whiskers> _tek, i will simply summarize....you have freely received and you should give away FREELY EVERYTHING that you have.
[09:53] <_tek> hello torpid, yes you can chown the files but you have to be root to do that and to become root type sudo -s and type your password
[09:54] <whiskers> _tek, it is called being reciprocative
[09:54] <_tek> whiskers, read the gpl again
[09:54] <torpid> i typed su - instead
[09:54] <torpid> to become root
[09:54] <torpid> this has happened a lot to me since switching to ubuntu.
[09:55] <torpid> i can't log in because either the permissions of / change, or the owner of /home/me changes.
[09:55] <_tek> nope not in kubuntu unless you have created a root user and given him a password, there is no root user in kubuntu its using sudo
[09:55] <torpid> i'm in ubuntu, not kubuntu.
[09:55] <torpid> of course i created a root user.
[09:56] <_tek> whiskers you sound like a slacker your not working and your taking a gov check but your not doing anything, wake up dude, you coding anything?
[09:56] <torpid> lol
[09:57] <torpid> i live in san francisco. talk about slackers.  everyone's on welfare here.
[09:57] <torpid> stupid wetbacks come over and have their babies and get medical care, instead of getting deported.
[09:57] <_tek> ok, torpid.. let me take this to a private room with you, lets get you hooked up. <--hey im in hayward, right across and south from you.
[09:57] <torpid> i wish i could kick them back to meh-hee-ko
[09:57] <_tek> hey whiskers want a free trip south?
[09:58] <_tek> back in a few.
[10:06] <hunger> How can I get on something like debian/unstable with ubuntu? I have not seen new packages in ages nov!
[10:07] <corp> my default console font is quite ugly. how can i change it? I changed my fixed-width font in the Control Center...
[10:13] <whiskers> _tek, i never asked for a government check...i want out of here....they put me in a mental institution on and off for 11 years for questioning this sick government and its sick people
[10:17] <whiskers> _tek, now if you don't mind i am going to watch the new gnu star wars...it is in...and i am pleased they are complying with gnu and giving away everything they have for free.
[10:18] <_tek> take the pills whisker yo need them as you watch your video of gnuwars.
[10:19] <_tek> <---going to bed. full day tomorrow.
[10:30] <_flo> # join bourginux
[10:55] <jubei> How can I make k3b burn audio CDs from mp3s?
[10:57] <`TUX``> using  arson,  or graveman or gcombust  or  eroaster 
[10:57] <`TUX``> or  reading  the  how to  on the  ubuntu site  
[10:58] <jubei> the howto did not work for me
[10:59] <jubei> thanks for listening tux
[10:59] <jubei> yeah i tried http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=21044&page=1&pp=10
[10:59] <jubei> and it didnt pop up in k3b
[10:59] <jubei> do you know why?
[11:10] <ikama> Does anybody have also probs to install mplayer
[11:10] <ikama> The rep is not ok in nerim?
[11:11] <ikama> Is anybody there?
[11:13] <jubei> whats wrong with kaffeine?
[11:14] <jubei> you like mplayer better?
[11:26] <corp> mm
[11:26] <corp> annoying that all of my currently installed media players crash when trying to play an mp3 stream
[11:34] <buz> when will we see firefox 1.0.3
[11:53] <CellarDoor> marillat
[11:53] <CellarDoor> oops
[11:53] <CellarDoor> hello !
[11:53] <CellarDoor> Can anyone help me with adding marillat repositories ?
[11:55] <CellarDoor> anyone awake atm ?
[12:19] <CellarDoor> hi anyone awake yet ?
[12:34] <pradu> CellarDoor: since few hours, think globally :)
[12:35] <CellarDoor> hehe :P
[12:35] <CellarDoor> I got my issue sorted pretty much in #ubuntu so all is good :P
[12:36] <CellarDoor> bbl
[12:38] <CellarDoor> dang
[12:39] <CellarDoor> I'm getting jerky dvd playback in Kaffeine, is there any way to rectify this ? Whats causing it ?
[12:54] <CellarDoor> erm
[12:55] <CellarDoor> I'm trying to install my nvidia driver but I have to shut down X to do that, but whenever I do ctrl-alt-backspace, it shuts down X and then starts it up again ??
[01:01] <carambol> hi in konsole i get this err:Could not ge lock /var/cache/apt/archives/lock. How i correct this?
[01:02] <CellarDoor> I'd help If I could carambol but iyam a n00b :P
[01:03] <carambol> thx
[01:05] <thoreauputic_> carambol: close synaptic
[01:05] <carambol> i interrupt a installation incorrectly
[01:06] <carambol> no open synaptic
[01:38] <CellarDoor> hey has anyone had problems with dvd playback in Kaffeine ?
[01:39] <CellarDoor> I'm getting jerky playback and don't know whats causing it
[01:46] <paulproteus> CellarDoor: I had a problem like this.  I solved it when I changed the sound settings.
[01:46] <paulproteus> I don't recall the details, I'm afraid.
[01:46] <CellarDoor> sound settings ?
[01:47] <CellarDoor> different sound engine ?
[01:47] <paulproteus> Maybe.
[01:48] <paulproteus> It was another xine-based program, not Kaffeine, but the problem is likely the same.
[01:48] <paulproteus> I think switching from direct access to /dev/dsp to ESD fixed it, or the reverse, or something.
[01:48] <paulproteus> From ALSA to OSS, maybe?
[01:48] <paulproteus> It's quite fuzzy nowl
[01:48] <CellarDoor> mm I'll have a look
[01:57] <CellarDoor> no change
[01:58] <CellarDoor> how annoying
[02:21] <_-InMa-_> buenas tardes
[02:38] <piepre> i have a little problem with kubuntu/german insteat aof the text for the next-button is back (auf dem weiter-knopf steht zurck)
[02:38] <incubii> i dont understand what you are saying
[02:40] <Choubaka> hmm
[02:40] <Choubaka> localisation trouble.
[02:41] <jair_11> hello guys
[02:41] <jair_11> I have a quick question.
[02:41] <Choubaka> piepre: have you installed language-support-de?
[02:41] <CellarDoor> hi jair_11
[02:42] <jair_11> I want to configure or add an IP address to a : dual gigabit motherboard asus.
[02:42] <jair_11> CellarDoor, hello how are you today?
[02:42] <paulproteus> jair_11: man interfaces ?
[02:42] <jair_11> paulproteus, ok lets check
[02:42] <CellarDoor> goodems
[02:42] <CellarDoor> ty
[02:43] <jair_11> but I am still concern guys that I see that in ubuntu when you type sudo anyone can make root tasks that is something I would like to control.
[02:44] <piepre> Choubaka: yes
[02:44] <jair_11> why did they dont leave the root accaunt available like the normal debian?
[02:44] <jair_11> account
[02:45] <incubii> jair_11, 'sudo passwd root'
[02:45] <incubii> then goto user manager and remove your normal user from the admin group
[02:45] <incubii> you shouldnt be able to sudo after that
[02:46] <Choubaka> jair_11: the root account is a security risk and needless confusion for newbie users.
[02:46] <Choubaka> sudo is much easier.
[02:46] <Choubaka> though it too can be a security risk if misconfigured :p
[02:47] <jair_11> incubii, yes but that will make a password for my user account then people can just type "sudo" and they are root.
[02:47] <incubii> no it wont
[02:47] <incubii> i said remove from admin, not add to
[02:47] <jair_11> Choubaka, but enytime anyone type the command it will not prompt for the password?
[02:47] <incubii> people in the admin group get the right to audo
[02:48] <incubii> as stated in the /etc/sudoers file
[02:48] <jair_11> hmm
[02:48] <Choubaka> jair_11: sudo asks for the password
[02:48] <incubii> unless the file lies that is how i would remove your sudoer privs
[02:48] <Choubaka> if someone finds out your password, then you suck :)
[02:49] <jair_11> ohh let me check something
[02:49] <CellarDoor> hehe
[02:49] <CellarDoor> My password rules
[02:49] <CellarDoor> :P
[02:49] <incubii> i would suggest setting a root password before you remove sudo, else your pretty screwed
[02:49] <jair_11> I type sudo and I get this: renan@indiana:~$ sudo
[02:49] <jair_11> usage: sudo -K | -L | -V | -h | -k | -l | -v
[02:49] <jair_11> usage: sudo [-HPSb]  [-p prompt]  [-u username|#uid] 
[02:49] <jair_11>             { -e file [...]  | -i | -s | <command> }
[02:49] <incubii> pr0n, is not a password
[02:49] <incubii> :P
[02:49] <CellarDoor> hahaha
[02:49] <jair_11> I should type the -u and then my user id?
[02:51] <jair_11> how I should use the sudo command?
[02:51] <incubii> sudo <command>
[02:51] <incubii> thats all ive ever needed to do
[02:51] <jair_11> incubii, that is what i am telling you that command will ask you for a password?
[02:52] <incubii> yes it will still ask for a password, whether you have rights or not
[02:52] <jair_11> incubii, give me an example of command?
[02:52] <jair_11> I can not think in any right now?
[02:52] <jair_11> so I can see if will ask me
[02:52] <jair_11> for example, hmmm
[02:54] <incubii> sudo visudo
[02:55] <mirco> Hello, all
[02:55] <incubii> hi mirco 
[02:56] <jair_11> incubii, I got it i did an example
[02:56] <mirco> I have a PowerBook15" and nned to know if there's someone out there running X11 on it in Dual-Head or Clone Mode.
[02:56] <jair_11> accessing to /etc/sudoers as a regular user to edit it using vi will not let you.
[02:57] <jair_11> the system will prompt you for a password when you type the prefix sudo
[02:57] <jair_11> then you get the authentication and able to edit it.
[02:57] <jair_11> cool.
[02:57] <incubii> yes but you should only edit /etc/sudoers with visudo
[02:57] <jair_11> perfect works like the mayority of live cds.
[02:57] <jair_11> ohhh ok
[02:57] <incubii> :)
[02:58] <jair_11> what will happend if I edit it using @user sudo vi /etc/sudoers?
[02:58] <jair_11> what can happend?
[02:59] <Choubaka> you can botch it and make sudo not work
[02:59] <incubii> ^
[03:00] <mirco> I use sudo since years for all short admin-tasks, and i never had trouble after editing with nano, hence I never made a mistake.
[03:00] <incubii> well its just like you shouldnt edit the password file or group file, you should use the tools. theres nothing stopping you though from doing it
[03:04] <jair_11> ohh ok
[03:04] <jair_11> then the tool I should use is visudo /etc/sudoers?
[03:04] <membreya> jair_11: just type sudo visudo
[03:08] <jair_11> membreya, ohh ok
[03:08] <da_bon_bon> does wine interface with the kernel ? i mean, if i use wine on 2.6.11.7 and on 2.6.12-rc2, will my milage vary, as in installing apps, smooth functioning of apps ??
[03:09] <incubii> id like to answer your question only i am on PPC
[03:09] <membreya> so ..when do we get luminocity? :)
[03:09] <da_bon_bon> incubii: me ?
[03:09] <incubii> yes
[03:09] <Choubaka> membreya: not now
[03:10] <da_bon_bon> incubii: oh ok. np
[03:10] <membreya> Choubaka: ...bu...but I want it ..it's SO OSX! :D
[03:10] <jair_11> membreya, ok
[03:10] <jair_11> look
[03:10] <Choubaka> membreya: :D
[03:10] <Choubaka> then install it from source.
[03:10] <membreya> plus it looks awesome, even on a shitty vid card
[03:10] <membreya> there's source for it ? :D
[03:10] <Choubaka> of course :p
[03:10] <Choubaka> all software has source.
[03:10] <jair_11> membreya, I did this " sudo vi /etc/sudoears" right and I get the message that I have to run or edit it using the command visudo
[03:11] <membreya> jair_11: i said..run sudo visudo
[03:11] <jair_11> membreya, but how can I become a root before run vi sudo?
[03:11] <membreya> jair_11: sudo makes you root
[03:11] <membreya> if you don't trust it, do a sudo -s -H
[03:11] <membreya> Choubaka: ..the only link I've seen so far is http://www.gnome.org/~seth/blog/xshots
[03:12] <buz> what does cups mean?
[03:12] <buz> [18/Apr/2005:15:11:50 +0200]  [Job 121]  Unable to open USB device "usb:/dev/usb/lp0": Permission denied
[03:12] <jair_11> membreya, crap I did something here
[03:12] <membreya> oh wait..found a wiki ;) lol
[03:12] <buz> worked yesterday
[03:12] <Choubaka> membreya: http://live.gnome.org/Luminocity
[03:12] <buz> didnt change anything
[03:12] <jair_11> membreya, I have now nano I think editing the file and terminal command vi
[03:12] <membreya> Choubaka: ..how stable is it though ? :P
[03:12] <jair_11> membreya, how can i discard the changes on nano
[03:12] <membreya> jair_11: by default sudo visudo will open nano
[03:12] <Choubaka> I wouldn't install it on a production machine
[03:13] <Choubaka> but if you have a sandbox, go for it
[03:13] <jair_11> crap i hate nano
[03:13] <Choubaka> :D
[03:13] <membreya> Choubaka: ctrl+x and no when it prompts you to save ;)
[03:13] <membreya> i love nano :)
[03:13] <jair_11> ok
[03:13] <membreya> Choubaka: ..that's not much of an answer :P
[03:13] <buz> bloody cups
[03:13] <buz> never works when i need it
[03:13] <jair_11> how I exit this without save write lines?
[03:13] <Choubaka> membreya: it's experimental software :p
[03:13] <membreya> Choubaka: if it gives you an idea of the value I put on my box, I'm running breezy
[03:13] <jair_11> before I just pump the debian sarge RC3 and forget about this ...tu
[03:13] <membreya> jair_11: i just told you ..press ctrl+x and then n
[03:13] <jair_11> ok
[03:13] <jair_11> thanks
[03:14] <Choubaka> membreya: this is worse.
[03:14] <membreya> hmmm how long till a production model is released?
[03:14] <Choubaka> No-one knows. :p
[03:14] <membreya> cos damnit, it gives me a software w00d :P
[03:14] <membreya> and I havent had that since doom 3
[03:14] <membreya> :P
[03:14] <Choubaka> you'll be installing huge amounts of stuff outside package management.
[03:14] <CellarDoor> I've heard that the new wobbly windows stuff and all will be in the next gnome release in sept - nov ??
[03:14] <membreya> sept-nov...awwww crap
[03:14] <incubii> if i change my repos from hoary to breezy can i apt-get -y dist-upgrade
[03:14] <membreya> and gnome can bite my arse
[03:15] <membreya> incubii: change your repos, then do a sudo apt-get update
[03:15] <incubii> ok cool
[03:15] <membreya> then do the apt-get -y dist-upgrade
[03:15] <incubii> ill do that at work
[03:15] <incubii> yeah thats what i meant
[03:15] <jair_11> hmm when you install kubuntu it install the samne evolution?
[03:15] <CellarDoor> KDE is on a similar timeframe
[03:15] <CellarDoor> theyre both utilizing new features in X
[03:15] <jair_11> or you can use the kde suite kmail,koffice, etc?
[03:16] <membreya> CellarDoor: so KDE4 in sept/nov?
[03:16] <membreya> :)
[03:16] <membreya> jair_11: evolution is for gnome :)
[03:16] <CellarDoor> not sure when KDE4 is comming out
[03:16] <membreya> incubii: mmm breezy...gcc4 goodness :P
[03:16] <membreya> damn that's bleeding edge
[03:16] <incubii> heh
[03:17] <membreya> CellarDoor: ...main thing I'm looking forward to in KDE4...true alpha blending on konsole lol
[03:17] <incubii> it doesnt bother me when you have 8mb down
[03:17] <incubii> but here at home i have 28.8kb down
[03:17] <incubii> :D
[03:17] <membreya> ewwwwwwww
[03:17] <CellarDoor> there's going to be eyecandy in KDE4
[03:17] <membreya> stupid download..its only going 150kB/s
[03:17] <incubii> os x eyecandy ?
[03:17] <jair_11> membreya, why this do not work? renan@indiana:~$ sudo visudo /etc/
[03:17] <jair_11> usage: visudo [-c]  [-f sudoers]  [-q]  [-s]  [-V] 
[03:17] <jair_11> renan@indiana:~$
[03:17] <membreya> CellarDoor: ...and speed improvements :D
[03:17] <CellarDoor> thats the aim - and better
[03:18] <incubii> cool
[03:18] <jair_11> I am doing the holly sudo comamnd time consuming command
[03:18] <membreya> jair_11: you should just need to do a sudo visudo
[03:18] <CellarDoor> yah speed :D
[03:18] <membreya> OSX makes me happy.. i can sit for hours minimising and maximising windows :D
[03:18] <CellarDoor> hehhe
[03:18] <incubii> im looking forward to improved VFS
[03:19] <jair_11> I think is a nice distro guys the only thing is the sudo thing time consuming all my life using linux since 2 years and a half and first time I have to do sudo for everything.
[03:19] <buz> jair_11: sudo passwd and set a root pw ;-)
[03:19] <membreya> jair_11: ..so create a sudo password :P
[03:19] <incubii> jair_11, 'sudo passwd root'
[03:19] <membreya> or alias sudo -s -H :P
[03:19] <buz> why can't i print
[03:19] <membreya> gah .. #ubuntu ..too much traffic..my log is like 20 megabytes :|
[03:20] <CellarDoor> hehe
[03:20] <incubii> lol
[03:20] <CellarDoor> things on the desktop are heating up
[03:20] <jair_11> I did that
[03:20] <jair_11> I create a sudo password
[03:20] <jair_11> but I have to type sudo still
[03:20] <membreya> hmm 1 character = 1 bit...8bits to a byte..1024 bytes to a kilobyte..1024 kilobytes to a megabyte..damn that's a lot of characters in the log
[03:20] <jair_11> sudo sudo sudo
[03:20] <jair_11> hate it
[03:21] <jair_11> ok
[03:21] <jair_11> thank you guys
[03:21] <membreya> jair_11: ...deal :P
[03:21] <CellarDoor> by years end it is quite possible there will be a new OSX with new eyecandy, a new KDE with new eyecandy, a new gnome with new eyecandy... WinXP ? pfft !
[03:21] <jair_11> good luck with ubuntu and kubuntu
[03:21] <incubii> membreya, 1 character = 1 byte
[03:21] <CellarDoor> sudo is a mac thing
[03:21] <membreya> CellarDoor: only thing I know of coming out for OSX is tiger...
[03:21] <Choubaka> sudo is cool.
[03:21] <jair_11> nothing better than debian GNU
[03:21] <membreya> incubii: ..bollocks... :P
[03:21] <jair_11> bye
[03:22] <Choubaka> incubii: that depends on the encoding, doesn't it?
[03:22] <CellarDoor> yeah membreya, bet it has new eyecandy ;)
[03:22] <incubii> yeah true
[03:22] <incubii> but ittl never be 1 bit
[03:22] <Choubaka> ittl?
[03:23] <incubii> as in it will
[03:23] <CellarDoor> hey has anyone had problems with jerky dvd playback in Kaffeine
[03:23] <CellarDoor> ?
[03:23] <incubii> yes
[03:23] <membreya> incubii: ...awesome thing in breezy...amule rc8...looks much crisper :) the buttons actually fit in the screen :P
[03:23] <incubii> and vlc
[03:23] <incubii> and mplayer
[03:23] <CellarDoor> ooeer know what causes it ?
[03:23] <incubii> i turned dma on
[03:23] <incubii> seemed to temp fix
[03:23] <incubii> then it came back
[03:24] <CellarDoor> hmm
[03:24] <CellarDoor> dma ? how do I turn that on ?
[03:24] <incubii> hdparm -d 1 /dev/hdc
[03:24] <membreya> incubii: i swear I have to alias that :|
[03:24] <Choubaka> alias what?
[03:25] <membreya> hdparm -d1 /dev/hdx
[03:25] <Choubaka> just edit /etc/hdparm.conf 
[03:25] <membreya> so that when people ask it
[03:25] <Choubaka> righ.
[03:25] <Choubaka> :p
[03:25] <CellarDoor> thanks incubii, I'll see how that goes
[03:25] <membreya> bear in mind, when you edit your hdparm.conf you will get a message at boot saying device not found..ignore it :P
[03:27] <CellarDoor> I've had problems with Kaffeine playback before, once it was acpi, once it was the Kasbar refreshing its thumbnails :P... but this time I was stumped 
[03:27] <incubii> i wonder what would happen if i enable dma on the ipod
[03:27] <membreya> oh ..for major improvements in tiger (theres about 200 in total) http://www.expercom.com/product_detail.html?PRODUCT_ID=321519
[03:28] <incubii> i find cd/dvd makes kde shit itself on my g4
[03:28] <incubii> i have to upgrade an office of 50 G5s to tiger when it comes out
[03:28] <darkaudit> membreya: I'd set the -X70 switch on /dev/hda and it would give me 'device not ready for command' errors... I removed it, and found that the drive was going to use that mode anyway :)
[03:28] <membreya> darkaudit: i was just referring to boot errors..the drive still worked perfectly :)
[03:29] <CellarDoor> ooeer its fixed
[03:29] <darkaudit> membreya: same here...
[03:29] <incubii> lucky you
[03:29] <CellarDoor> now... how do I make that permanent ?
[03:29] <membreya> ok..I'm going to seem like a retard...but does KDE use metacity or what?
[03:29] <membreya> darkaudit: ok :)
[03:29] <membreya> CellarDoor: read above re editing /etc/hdparm.conf
[03:29] <membreya> :P
[03:29] <CellarDoor> aah
[03:29] <CellarDoor> :P
[03:29] <darkaudit> metacity is gnome only
[03:29] <incubii> /etc/hdparm
[03:29] <incubii> .conf
[03:29] <membreya> so ...luminocity is ONLY for gnome...
[03:30] <CellarDoor> I like wobbly windows :P
[03:30] <darkaudit> dunno... I switched to XFCE yesterday ;)
[03:30] <membreya> CellarDoor: that's luminocity right ?
[03:30] <incubii> i want xwaes
[03:30] <membreya> or the KDE version?
[03:30] <incubii> xwaves*
[03:30] <membreya> xwaves?
[03:31] <membreya> CellarDoor: ..i demand you give me info on wobbly windows :P
[03:31] <incubii> let me get a screenies for you
[03:31] <membreya> i want OSX stylings and I want it now
[03:31] <CellarDoor> If its utilizing new functionality in X, there's no reason why KDE cant have the same features
[03:31] <CellarDoor> hehe
[03:32] <darkaudit> there was something on the project on slashdot a couple weeks back... big time eye candy in the works
[03:32] <buz> any osx users around?
[03:32] <CellarDoor> membreya have you seen those little clips ?
[03:32] <membreya> damn make me sit at the G4 at work minimising and maximising for 10 mins a day just to get my kick
[03:32] <membreya> CellarDoor: i have :) that's luminocity :)
[03:32] <buz> how can i get OSX to print to my cups on kubuntu
[03:32] <CellarDoor> aah
[03:32] <membreya> buz: ..look at incubii :)
[03:32] <membreya> you run dual g5's at your work don't you incubii ?
[03:32] <incubii> i run many
[03:33] <membreya> aah :)
[03:33] <membreya> stock broking wasnt it incubii ? :|
[03:33] <membreya> I forget people :P
[03:33] <incubii> we use samba to share our printers though
[03:33] <incubii> yes
[03:33] <incubii> which communicate through IPP
[03:33] <membreya> samba 0wns me :)
[03:34] <buz> i don't wanna install samba if i can avoid it
[03:34] <membreya> i run my computer a little silly though, I run mysqld and mythtv backend, samba, apache2, squid :P
[03:34] <membreya> oh and webmin :)
[03:34] <membreya> no wonder my ram usages is so high
[03:34] <membreya> and don't blame KDE :P
[03:34] <incubii> i think you can avoid it its just how we do things since we run our domain using samba
[03:35] <buz> grrrrrrrrrr
[03:35] <buz> usb is somehow broken i guess
[03:35] <incubii> looking forward to samba 4
[03:35] <membreya> whens that incubii ?
[03:35] <incubii> i hate forcing windows XP to use NT4 policies
[03:35] <darkaudit> hmm... error 500 'internal server error' on backports repo...
[03:35] <incubii> no idea its in the susan stage
[03:35] <incubii> which means its partly working
[03:35] <incubii> lol
[03:36] <buz> fuck 
[03:36] <buz> cups worked last night, now it's nothing
[03:36] <buz> not even reinstalling printers helps
[03:36] <darkaudit> xp box is doing better duty as a coffee table... it's been disconnected for a week now :)
[03:36] <incubii> lol darkaudit 
[03:37] <incubii> i have to migrate all desktops from my nice stable windows 2000 setup to XP SP2 with all its headaches
[03:37] <incubii> :|
[03:37] <membreya> XP is c00l :P
[03:37] <buz> thats where i've chosen to go to kubuntu
[03:37] <membreya> actually .. i think my company's going to it next year
[03:37] <incubii> yeah cool like th emorge
[03:37] <darkaudit> once I moved my music collection to this box, I was set
[03:38] <membreya> since my company has about 10,000 employees..going to XP will be a nightmare
[03:38] <incubii> heh
[03:38] <incubii> well its about 50 machines for me
[03:38] <membreya> I'm glad I'm just a grunt :)
[03:38] <incubii> buti have to rebuild the Unattended Network Install
[03:38] <incubii> which i dont want to do
[03:39] <membreya> incubii: find a way to run them all as dumb terminals and build a huge mofo server :D
[03:39] <incubii> i proposed that
[03:39] <buz> no luck
[03:39] <incubii> no such luck
[03:39] <darkaudit> mplayer home page recommends building one's own .deb and has instructions on how to do so
[03:39] <incubii> the server would crumble under the load
[03:39] <membreya> beowulf perhaps? :D
[03:39] <incubii> its amazing how much grunt these things need
[03:40] <incubii> our G5's are maxed out 99% of the time
[03:40] <membreya> macs defy intels mentality of mhz :)
[03:40] <incubii> even the Dual 2.7ghz 
[03:40] <membreya> G5.. *mmmmmm*
[03:40] <membreya> can one just "disappear" for me incubii ? :)
[03:40] <incubii> lol
[03:41] <incubii> fuck i dont think i could move the things that far
[03:41] <membreya> or do you have one of those stupid asset registers? :(
[03:41] <incubii> well we have asset tags
[03:41] <incubii> but they arent really kept track of
[03:41] <incubii> just in peoples heads
[03:41] <incubii> ;)
[03:41] <incubii> not enough G5's to make 1 vanish though
[03:41] <membreya> often thought of stealing an LCD from work..they're only 17"
[03:42] <membreya> but there's no sec cams on the floor
[03:42] <membreya> or doing a RAM raid on the box :)
[03:42] <membreya> RAM/HDD
[03:42] <incubii> lol
[03:42] <membreya> they're only P4 1.7's :|
[03:42] <incubii> i upgrade our compaq 1.7s to 3.2s
[03:42] <incubii> 1.5gb ram
[03:42] <incubii> still crawl like a dog
[03:42] <membreya> i would imagine
[03:43] <incubii> so we are moving those to HP XW6200s
[03:43] <membreya> especially since g5's are crawling
[03:43] <incubii> Dual Xeon 3.6ghz
[03:43] <incubii> 4gb ram
[03:43] <incubii> :D
[03:43] <membreya> xeon schmeon..move to AMD64 :D
[03:43] <incubii> these PCs mainly run thunderbird
[03:43] <incubii> lol
[03:43] <membreya> itaniums? :D
[03:44] <membreya> thunderbird or thunderbirds? :P
[03:44] <incubii> we have 6 4 way opteron servers, and i propsed today to upgrade everyone to 4way opteron systems for desktops in the future
[03:44] <incubii> uinless the G5's can keep pace
[03:45] <incubii> get to test out the dual dual cores when they come out
[03:45] <buz> how's that even possible: Unable to open USB device "usb:/dev/usb/lp0": Permission denied
[03:45] <buz> cupsd runs as root, wtf is wrong
[03:45] <incubii> lol
[03:46] <incubii> that sounds a lil broken
[03:46] <buz> but cat > /dev/usb/lp0 works
[03:46] <buz> i hate printers
[03:48] <incubii> because my motherboard does not powerdown, it keeps power to the USB ports, which screws up my printer when the comp is turned off and its on. It will no turn off. the only way is to pull the plug on it
[03:48] <incubii> :)
[03:49] <membreya> well USB is PLUG and play :P
[03:49] <incubii> PLUG and wont STFU
[03:49] <membreya> lol
[03:50] <membreya> hmmm wonder if ubuntu would support bioscan technology :|
[03:50] <buz> interesting
[03:50] <buz> D [18/Apr/2005:15:50:08 +0200]  [Job 3]  renderer command: level=0; printf "%!\n%% %%\n<</ManualFeed false>>setpagedevice\n<</Duplex false>>setpagedevice\n"; if [ $level -gt 0 ] ; then if [ $level -lt 99 ] ; then level=" -dLanguageLevel=$level"; else level=""; fi; gs -q -dPARANOIDSAFER -dNOPAUSE -dBATCH -sDEVICE=pswrite$level -sOutputFile=- -; else cat; fi
[03:50] <buz> D [18/Apr/2005:15:50:08 +0200]  [Job 3]  sh: line 0: printf: `!': invalid format character
[03:50] <buz> seems like kcontrol generates fucked up cups configs???
[03:51] <buz> that too worked in the past
[03:51] <membreya> kcontrol itself is fucked up :P
[03:51] <buz> mhh its still better than configuring cups by hand, by a loooong sht
[03:51] <incubii> and with that i must leave for sleep
[03:51] <incubii> gnite
[03:51] <membreya> since I went to breezy it no longer goes into administrator mode for me :(
[03:52] <buz> mhh maybe i shouldnt have done that...
[03:52] <buz> doesn't seem to work, either
[03:52] <buz> but i just HAD to go bleeding edge...
[03:53] <buz> noooow, how can i get back to hoary....
[03:53] <buz> there's no dist-downgrade right?
[03:53] <membreya> nope :)
[03:53] <sikor_sxe> i have problems switching my screen resolution from 1024x768 to 800x600
[03:53] <membreya> and besides that...kcontrol is the only problem i have :) everything else works perfectly
[03:54] <membreya> i prefer to be bleeding edge..plus the daily updates make me feel warm n fuzzy
[03:54] <buz> yeah they do
[03:54] <buz> but not being able to print homework is kinda bad
[03:54] <buz> especially when it's due tomorrow
[03:54] <membreya> raw dump it to the printer? :)
[03:54] <buz> mhh its oo stuff
[03:55] <buz> it would probably look kinda weird
[03:55] <membreya> damn control characters
[03:56] <buz> yeah
[03:56] <buz> and special chars won't work either
[03:56] <membreya> http://localhost.localdomain:631/ says that administrative tasks have been disabled for security reasons..is there any way to enable them ?
[03:59] <buz> does printing work for you on breezy
[03:59] <membreya> i dont have a printer :P
[03:59] <membreya> well i do
[03:59] <membreya> just not hooked up
[04:01] <buz> grrr
[04:02] <buz> i need this to work
[04:04] <paulproteus> buz: I suggest:
[04:04] <paulproteus> apt-get --purge cupsys-*
[04:04] <buz> that i just did
[04:04] <paulproteus> And then using the gnome-system-tools to configure CUPS.
[04:05] <buz> i dont have gnome on the machine
[04:05] <paulproteus> I always keep both around "just in case" :)
[04:06] <buz> i think its a filter issue of some sort
[04:06] <membreya> buz: can't you use a different printer system?
[04:07] <buz> maybe
[04:07] <paulproteus> And what printer, buz?
[04:07] <buz> postscript
[04:07] <buz> native ps2
[04:07] <paulproteus> Oh, really!
[04:07] <buz> yeah
[04:07] <paulproteus> Then you should be able to the cat the PostScript to the printer.
[04:07] <buz> which makes it even weirder if you ask me
[04:07] <buz> point
[04:07] <buz> i'll try that 
[04:07] <paulproteus> Yeah, that's true.  Who ever heard of PostScript printers being broken?
[04:08] <membreya> buz: ..that's what i said before...
[04:08] <paulproteus> (10:07:42) itamar: maybe they will rewrite flash in postscript
[04:08] <paulproteus> (10:07:55) berencreuz: >_<
[04:08] <paulproteus> (10:07:58) itamar: I bet you could write a javascript interpreter in postscript, given enough time
[04:08] <paulproteus> Discussion on #joiito of Adobe purchase of Macromedia.
[04:08] <buz>  [18/Apr/2005:16:00:56 +0200]  [Job 2]  renderer PID kid4=9995
[04:08] <buz> D [18/Apr/2005:16:00:56 +0200]  [Job 2]  renderer command: level=0; printf "%!\n%% %%\n<</ManualFeed false>>setpagedevice\n<</Duplex false>>setpagedevice\n"; if [ $level -gt 0 ] ; then if [ $level -lt 99 ] ; then level=" -dLanguageLevel=$level"; else level=""; fi; gs -q -dPARANOIDSAFER -dNOPAUSE -dBATCH -sDEVICE=pswrite$level -sOutputFile=- -; else cat; fi
[04:08] <buz> D [18/Apr/2005:16:00:56 +0200]  [Job 2]  sh: line 0: printf: `!': invalid format character
[04:08] <buz> some madman once wrote a httpd in postscript
[04:08] <membreya> i just want them to release a version of flash for amd64 :P
[04:08] <buz> i just want flash to be gone
[04:09] <membreya> lol
[04:09] <kkathman> morning all :)
[04:10] <membreya> hey kkathman :)
[04:11] <membreya> hmmm what's the default workground that mswindows assigns itself? mswindows?
[04:11] <paulproteus> workgroup?
[04:11] <paulproteus> MSHOME for XP Home.
[04:11] <membreya> just using network browser I can't find my friends computer..yet I can samba to her computer
[04:11] <membreya> XP Pro paulproteus 
[04:11] <membreya> and smbtree doesn't show her computer either
[04:12] <paulproteus> (More on the adobe and Macromedia story: Notice that www.adobe.com is down.)
[04:12] <buz> maybe a fake
[04:12] <membreya> works for me paulproteus 
[04:13] <buz> seems at least slashdotted to me
[04:13] <paulproteus> "The document contains no data" is what I get after a long wait.
[04:13] <membreya> nup...loads fine for me
[04:14] <buz> where can i set print to file again?
[04:14] <membreya> and doing a wget www.adobe.com works
[04:16] <kkathman> anyone work extensively with wine in ubuntu?
[04:20] <paulproteus> I'm outta here, good day all.
[04:20] <membreya> ciao paulproteus :)
[04:58] <bti> hi all
[05:25] <Raven_> kde is putting a message at the top left. It says things every time I activate a window. I want to get rid of it. Maybe a debugging tool I turned on by mistake.
[05:26] <Raven_> "kde windows manager moveend", in one example
[05:33] <Raven_> "The KDE Windows Manager moveend", in one example more acurate
[05:42] <gsuveg> re
[05:42] <gsuveg> doh. kontact eat all my ram+hdd
[05:43] <gsuveg> after reboot it eat cca 300MB ram, 600MB swap + 800MB hdd
[05:44] <gsuveg> anybody have idea why ?
[05:46] <Choubaka> gsuveg: It's  broken. :P
[05:47] <gsuveg> Choubaka: why ?
[05:47] <gsuveg> what can i make ?
[05:47] <Choubaka> are you running hoary? :/
[05:47] <gsuveg> y
[05:47] <Choubaka> yes? :p
[05:47] <gsuveg> im use is after rc
[05:47] <gsuveg> yes
[05:48] <gsuveg> today, after reboot make it this crazy
[05:48] <gsuveg> it eat 1.5GB hdd 
[05:48] <Choubaka> terminate it
[05:49] <gsuveg> i dont find where it
[05:49] <gsuveg> killed
[05:49] <Choubaka> file a bug report.
[05:49] <gsuveg> hmm? how ?
[05:49] <Choubaka> contact ubuntu developers or something
[05:50] <gsuveg> ok :(
[05:50] <gsuveg> i need my mails :/
[05:58] <Raven_> kde is putting a message at the top left. It says things every time I activate a window. I want to get rid of it. Maybe a debugging tool I turned on by mistake.
[05:58] <Raven_> anyone have any ideas of how to turn this off?
[06:01] <March-RX8> hello
[06:02] <March-RX8> does anyone know how to configure ppoe?
[06:05] <gsuveg> Choubaka: it sound like one index file was broken
[06:05] <gsuveg> i hope ;)
[06:07] <Choubaka> hmm. :)
[06:07] <gsuveg> QGArray::at: Absolute index 892424732 out of range
[06:07] <gsuveg>  ^
[06:08] <March-RX8> hey ppl could someone help me?
[06:11] <gsuveg> March-RX8: ask ;)
[06:13] <March-RX8> how can i configure pppoe in kubuntu?
[06:13] <sdogi> pppoe<tab> so i guess something like pppoeconf, actually there should be some gui tool for that too i think
[06:13] <gsuveg> March-RX8: i dont know
[06:14] <March-RX8> thanks anyway
[06:20] <whiskers> wow the new FreeCIV game looks good on the screenshots....nice to see people complying with GNU and giving away everything they have for free...
[06:21] <whiskers> that makes the GNU collection of great movies with GNU Star Wars, great music with videopianist....and great code
[06:27] <whiskers> and great games
[06:28] <whiskers> but i don't see why everybody in the US calls GNU communist
[06:29] <whiskers> because communists try to satisfy material needs....GNU people give away everything they have for free and do with nothing and starve in the streets
[06:29] <whiskers> this is clearly not communist
[06:38] <whiskers> GNU is neither capitalist nor communist...it is perfect altruism...and the noblest of all
[06:43] <gsuveg> Choubaka: resolved :(
[06:49] <ranmadfgh> Hi. I just installed Kubuntu 5.4 and was traying to get my dlink wifi adapter working... The problem is, I cannot access the network settings anymore in superuser mode ?
[06:50] <ranmadfgh> seems like a bug, when I click "superuser mode", I enter my password (wich is correct), and then cannot access 
[06:50] <ranmadfgh> it worked for a while, but not anymore... even reboot doesn't help
[06:52] <ranmadfgh> please I go mad.. 
[06:53] <buz> ranmadfgh: try running it as kdesu kcontrol
[06:53] <buz> or kdesu whateverappyouneed
[06:53] <ranmadfgh> I see the red square around the window for a while, and then it goes back to the KDE control center network pannel
[06:54] <ranmadfgh> ok I try this buz
[06:54] <whiskers> and GNU teaches and helps others to become altruistic because it forces them to give away all their internal documents, code, music, games, books, and everything else for absolutely FREE......in the true spirit of FREEDOM
[06:55] <Choubaka> :p
[06:55] <Choubaka> the world would be a nice place to live in if everyone was altruistic.
[06:56] <Choubaka> but no-one really is. :)
[06:56] <whiskers> Choubaka,  well you are saying that by using the REAL altruism of others.
[06:57] <Choubaka> how so?
[06:57] <Choubaka> :)
[06:57] <kkathman> is anyone running gkrellm in kubuntu...got a question on how to configure the mail part
[06:57] <whiskers> Choubaka, are you not using GNU material to make that statement with?
[06:58] <Choubaka> Hmm, yeah.
[06:58] <Choubaka> But I don't think it spawned from entirely from altruism.
[06:58] <malte> ehm. where can i find kaffeine 0.6ubuntu3?
[06:58] <Choubaka> Someone saw the need to create a good tool, and decided he'd let others benefit from it as well.
[06:58] <malte> it doesn't seem to exist in universe/multiverse
[06:59] <Choubaka> Those others too interest, and the final product is a result of cooperation. :)
[06:59] <buz> i don't think the concept of altruism even exists
[06:59] <ranmadfgh> buz, thanks !! it almost helped :-)
[06:59] <Choubaka> took*
[06:59] <ranmadfgh> at leaset I can activate the eth0... 
[06:59] <\sh> re
[07:00] <buz> well if it doesnt work now it's not a permission issue at least
[07:00] <ranmadfgh> it says "activating eth0", then the red cross goes like a green sign.. and 1 second after goes red again
[07:00] <ranmadfgh> what s strange thing.. :-)
[07:01] <kkathman> howdy there \sh :)
[07:02] <buz> is there really NO way to downgrade?
[07:02] <Choubaka> individual packages, yes.
[07:02] <Choubaka> otherwise, not really :/
[07:02] <ranmadfgh> yeeeeeeeeeeeeees it's FINALY OK buz
[07:03] <ranmadfgh> you know what ? the rj-45 plug is dead
[07:03] <ranmadfgh> hardware trouble
[07:03] <whiskers> Choubaka, altruism is not about cooperation or COLLUSION....it is about full self-sacrifice for the benefit of others......and the GNU people are doing it and finding true FREEDOM....because as the musician once said..."Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose"
[07:04] <Choubaka> I know what altruism is. :)
[07:04] <ranmadfgh> those bloody xircom rj-45 to pcmcia adapters !!!
[07:04] <ranmadfgh> thanks but for your help
[07:04] <ranmadfgh> buz
[07:04] <buz> ur welcome
[07:05] <CellarDoor> Free as in beer
[07:05] <buz> no, they do it for themselves primariliy
[07:05] <kkathman> lol
[07:05] <Choubaka> And while the GNU ideology ultimately aims towards the good of everyone, I don't think individual GNU people are perfectly altruistic.
[07:05] <buz> they get a non monetary gratification from it
[07:05] <buz> either because they feel good about it, like doing it or improve their CV for future jobs
[07:05] <\sh> hmmm...how could i get rid of gnome ?
[07:06] <buz> apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[07:06] <\sh> nono
[07:06] <kkathman> \sh is that really possible?
[07:06] <\sh> I need to remove it..cause I'm running a server
[07:06] <kkathman> \sh there are so many underpinnings for libs...but I've never tried...I run a server too but I just boot to command line
[07:06] <Choubaka> It'll look nice on a CV... "I have been a Linux kernel hacker for five years" :)
[07:07] <\sh> kkathman: my xserver-xorg is not starting, cause no mouse, no screen, no keyboard ;)
[07:07] <kkathman> ahhh ok gotcha
[07:08] <whiskers> buz, don't project your own shortcomings and perverted philosophy on the true altruism of others that are working very hard to give everything away for free....and ask nothing in return but the right to starve to death.
[07:11] <buz> i'll admit i am biased
[07:11] <zAo^> I went from ubuntu to kubuntu; how can I remove gnome?
[07:12] <\sh> ah
[07:13] <\sh> apt-get remove `cat /var/lib/dpkg/available|grep "Package: gnome-"|awk '{ print $2 }'`
[07:13] <\sh> thats helping
[07:13] <\sh> 282MB free
[07:14] <\sh> ok..no gnome or kde anymore ;)
[07:14] <zAo^> lol
[07:15] <Choubaka> Hmm. :)
[07:16] <Choubaka> I'm happy that I can benefit from the work of others. I am not a coder so there's only so much I can do.
[07:16] <zAo^> what when I remove ubuntu-desktop??
[07:16] <Choubaka> nothing.
[07:17] <Choubaka> So I'll help newbies to get accustomed to the system, or complain about misfeatures, hoping some developer will see truth in my complaints and fix it. ;) 
[07:17] <zAo^> with debfoster ?
[07:17] <Choubaka> zAo^: I don't suggest you remove it, anyway.
[07:18] <Choubaka> but there's no harm if you do.
[07:18] <Fhigo> sup... is it possibe to install skype via kynaptic?
[07:19] <ice_1963> if you add the non free 
[07:20] <Fhigo> hmm
[07:20] <Fhigo> ok
[07:20] <ice_1963> and install synaptik
[07:20] <Fhigo> why?
[07:20] <Fhigo> i like kynaptic more ^^ ;)
[07:20] <ice_1963> =)
[07:20] <Fhigo> cauz its a part of kubuntu
[07:20] <Fhigo> :)
[07:20] <Choubaka> synaptic is for gnome :p
[07:20] <Fhigo> exactly :)
[07:21] <Choubaka> I don't use either, though
[07:21] <Fhigo> but
[07:21] <Choubaka> I find my "masenna" alias more effective 
[07:21] <ice_1963> i know 
[07:21] <Fhigo> i need the adresses for my apt-list
[07:21] <Fhigo> can anybody tell me?
[07:21] <ice_1963> brb
[07:22] <CellarDoor> kynaptic looks prettier but lacks some functionality
[07:22] <Fhigo> yes CellarDoor :)
[07:22] <ice_1963> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/
[07:22] <Fhigo> but i think its goin to improve
[07:22] <Fhigo> or .. lets say.. i hope so ;)
[07:22] <CellarDoor> yeah no doubt
[07:23] <Fhigo> hm
[07:23] <Fhigo> how to update kubuntu?
[07:24] <Fhigo> hmm
[07:24] <whiskers> Fhigo, yes...skype will install if you care to use it but it is not completely free.
[07:24] <Fhigo> why not free?
[07:25] <whiskers> Fhigo, well they don't want to give up their source code so everyone else can make a competitive product for FREE
[07:25] <Fhigo> ok thats right :)
[07:25] <whiskers> Fhigo, but as i understand the closed source is free as in beer
[07:25] <Fhigo> hmm which kde version is kubuntu using?
[07:25] <Fhigo> 3.4?
[07:26] <CellarDoor> yeah
[07:26] <Fhigo> hmm i c
[07:26] <Fhigo> cause its not stable
[07:26] <Fhigo> sometimes it cracks up
[07:26] <Fhigo> my konqueror e.g.
[07:27] <CellarDoor> yeah, there's a problem with Konqueror, I posted a winge about it at KDE dot and they said its not a KDE issue but its a known problem with kubuntu
[07:27] <Fhigo> hmm
[07:27] <Fhigo> ok
[07:27] <Fhigo> so if its fixed anytime.. i'll be happy :)
[07:27] <CellarDoor> so I'm expecting it to get fixed pretty soon
[07:27] <CellarDoor> yeah
[07:27] <Fhigo> nice :)
[07:28] <Fhigo> just trying to install java
[07:28] <CellarDoor> I think the folks just jumped the gun a little and perhaps should have given it more time in testing
[07:28] <Fhigo> yeah
[07:28] <CellarDoor> The only real problem I've had
[07:28] <Fhigo> thats right
[07:28] <Fhigo> yep
[07:29] <Fhigo> but kubuntu is really nice :)
[07:30] <ice_1963> how about flashplayer
[07:30] <Fhigo> what about it?
[07:31] <CellarDoor> yeah I'm really liking kubuntu
[07:31] <ice_1963> can you install it ???
[07:31] <CellarDoor> I moved from Mandrake
[07:31] <CellarDoor> :P
[07:31] <Fhigo> hmm
[07:31] <Fhigo> ice_1963, just trying :)
[07:32] <CellarDoor> I really wanted KDE 3.4 and Mandrake (now Mandriva) were faffing about with 3.3 and doing backports of stuff from 3.4... :/
[07:32] <CellarDoor> wierd
[07:33] <Fhigo> hmm
[07:33] <Fhigo> strange
[07:33] <Fhigo> O.o
[07:33] <Fhigo> but .. who needs mandriva O.o
[07:33] <Fhigo> i'm away... xbox :)
[07:33] <kkathman> well I have come to the conclusion that the Gimp is just a non-intuitive application :(
[07:34] <CellarDoor> I've still got 160 days of Mandriva club membership left if you want it ;)
[07:34] <CellarDoor> Gimp ? Can you say, "right click" ?
[07:35] <kkathman> CellarDoor: yep... Im exaggerating Im sure...Im just SO used to Photoshop and its interface...
[07:35] <CellarDoor> hehe :)
[07:36] <CellarDoor> yeah I stick to what Im used to
[07:36] <kkathman> CellarDoor: when I want to do a drop shadow in PS, I can actually adjust and SEE it while I do it
[07:36] <zAo^> which engine should I take: arts or xine (amaroK)?
[07:36] <kkathman> CellarDoor: When I move a layer that has a straight line, JUST the line moves not the whole freaking thing!
[07:37] <CellarDoor> hehe
[07:37] <CellarDoor> poor gimp
[07:37] <kkathman> errrhhh...I just found out that my PS7 disk is scratched too....GRRRR.. so I cant install it under wine :(
[07:37] <Fhigo> do anybody of you know how to setup a hpgl cutting plotter in linux?
[07:38] <kkathman> gimp is probably good for those that dont make their living in the web graphics world hehe
[07:38] <CellarDoor> yeah gimp is an evolving application, its not there yet
[07:39] <CellarDoor> its great for average bums like me though
[07:39] <CellarDoor> :P
[07:39] <CellarDoor> you can use photoshop with CrossoverOffice though
[07:39] <Choubaka> yeah.
[07:39] <kkathman> yeah I know...if my disk wasnt scratched :)
[07:39] <Choubaka> GIMP is not Pro yet.
[07:40] <Choubaka> Even though you can do a lot with it if you know how. :) 
[07:40] <ataxic> i use gimp on windows and linux
[07:40] <whiskers> Choubaka, well gimpshop is no photoshop...but it eases the use of it on gnome.....and krita will ease the use of it on kde
[07:40] <kkathman> Choubaka: yah Im sure you can, and its all in what you learned on
[07:40] <ataxic> i prefer gimp 1 tho..
[07:40] <CellarDoor> gimp is free ;)
[07:40] <Choubaka> yeah :)
[07:40] <Choubaka> Ot'
[07:41] <Choubaka> It's one of the best FOSS apps.
[07:41] <Fhigo> so no one knows :(
[07:41] <kkathman> I learned on Paint Shop Pro, then it was a relatively easy jump to PS
[07:41] <whiskers> CellarDoor, absolutely...and the source code is free too so you can make a competitive product and supply it for absolutely free to the entire world
[07:41] <CellarDoor> sorry Fhigo, I got no idea on that one :P
[07:41] <CellarDoor> can't beat free for bang for buck
[07:42] <Choubaka> :)
[07:42] <kkathman> but Gimp has some issues in the "logic" of how things are done and the way you do them from a design standpoint...its like the developers add features, but dont think about the useability
[07:42] <Choubaka> I'm not a pro artist, but I've read numerous articles on what GIMP is missing, when looked from a pro's perspective :/
[07:42] <kkathman> but what do you want for free right :)
[07:42] <whiskers> kkathman, well try gimpshop...it may help...i don't know because i don't know how to use it
[07:43] <kkathman> whiskers: I saw that, but havent been able to find a deb or a download for it anywhere
[07:43] <CellarDoor> well its like Choubaka said, gimp is not pro yet
[07:43] <whiskers> kkathman, well i have it fully built with the source and will supply it to you for free if you want it
[07:43] <CellarDoor> comparing gimp with photoshop is really comparing apples and oranges
[07:43] <Choubaka> whiskers: You quite believe in the GNU, don't you?
[07:43] <whiskers> kkathman, you will have to make a directory to put it in...and then type make install....that is all
[07:43] <whiskers> Choubaka, absolutely...i have believed in it for 11 years
[07:43] <Choubaka> CellarDoor: Someday, GIMP will get there.
[07:44] <CellarDoor> yeah
[07:44] <kkathman> whiskers: that would be great!! Tell me what I need to do and I'll do it
[07:44] <whiskers> kkathman, if you can recommend a program for me to put seed it i will be glad to put it on p2p
[07:44] <Choubaka> whiskers: do you have a debian package of gimpshop? :o
[07:44] <Choubaka> hmm
[07:44] <CellarDoor> I'm always impressed with the speed of development that occurs when a project becomes popular
[07:45] <whiskers> Choubaka, no i don't know how to make debs...but it is irrelevant...there is nothing easier than make install
[07:45] <whiskers> Choubaka, it is fully compiled
[07:45] <Choubaka> yeah. make install is easy :)
[07:45] <CellarDoor> eg. Kaffeine is moving along, amaroK is developing nicely etc..
[07:45] <Choubaka> I'd build a deb if I was more experienced with them...
[07:45] <kkathman> whiskers: no clue on how to get it transferred...that a good question
[07:45] <whiskers> but i need a program to seed it if anybody wants it...because yahoo is blocking my large email
[07:46] <Choubaka> but you know, I can only do small debs...
[07:46] <kkathman> theres some upload thing hold on
[07:46] <kkathman> I used it once
[07:46] <whiskers> Choubaka, well i can't do any debs, rpm, ebuilds, or anything else...but i can do alien
[07:46] <Choubaka> Maybe my patching amd modifying gimp's current debs a bit would work. 
[07:47] <Choubaka> -my
[07:47] <Choubaka> and*
[07:47] <Choubaka> :P
[07:47] <whiskers> kkathman, it is about 256megs gzipped if you want it...but i don't know how to seed it....perhaps you could enlighten me
[07:47] <Choubaka> the source is a great thing.
[07:47] <Choubaka> You don't have to be a dev to benefit from it.
[07:47] <whiskers> Choubaka, well it includes the source of course and the full compilation binary
[07:48] <whiskers> Choubaka, but i don't know how to seed it...perhaps you could enlighten me
[07:48] <Choubaka> seed? with bittorrent?
[07:48] <Choubaka> hmm
[07:48] <whiskers> Choubaka, or maybe there is some way to get xdcc working if i could figure out what port it uses
[07:49] <whiskers> Choubaka, i know how to download with bittorrent but i don't know how to upload
[07:49] <Choubaka> Hmm
[07:49] <kkathman> whiskers: Try www.sendthisfile.com
[07:49] <whiskers> ok we will try it.
[07:50] <Choubaka> requires login and registration :p
[07:51] <kkathman> whiskers: its free
[07:51] <Choubaka> I could possibly set up a bittorrent tracker.
[07:51] <kkathman> I just did the registration
[07:51] <Choubaka> and you could use it to seed the torrent. :)
[07:53] <Choubaka> whiskers: Do you use any non-free software?
[07:54] <ice_1963> lol
[07:54] <Choubaka> Mine isn't.
[07:54] <Choubaka> I like rar :)
[07:54] <buz> i like watching vid clips people send me
[07:54] <buz> so naturally, i use w32codecs
[07:54] <Choubaka> yeah, that too.
[07:54] <Choubaka> But it's something I can live with.
[07:55] <whiskers> kkathman, it asks me for your email address
[07:55] <kkathman> so far I dont use any non-free software
[07:55] <whiskers> kkathman, also i am not agreeing to any of their Terms of Service because i can't understand them
[07:55] <kkathman> ok I will give it in an PM
[07:56] <kkathman> hmm dont know if thats a problem or not...not agreeing to their terms...its not anything massively different than anything else
[07:56] <buz> wtf even reads terms
[07:56] <kkathman> lol
[07:57] <CellarDoor> hehe
[07:57] <buz> i might read terms of people i give my realname to but for your garden variety site, just enter crap
[07:57] <CellarDoor> M$ EULA = Evil
[07:57] <buz> mhh who cares
[07:57] <kkathman> most TOS are just legalese saying that if you get something from somebody and it lunches your computer, we're not to blame
[07:57] <buz> it's not like i ever adhered to them
[07:58] <kkathman> whiskers: you got my email right...its in the private PM I sent
[07:58] <Choubaka> Legalese sucks :(
[07:58] <buz> theoretically, as a student i can get almost all ms software for free (legally even)
[07:59] <kkathman> buz: yeah I have 2 kids in college...and I got lots of stuff :)
[07:59] <buz> but then again, WTF would i want MS software
[08:00] <CellarDoor> I didn't pay a cent for anything on my computer
[08:00] <boylizard> anyone here use fluxbox or have gotten it to work on kubuntu?
[08:00] <whiskers> kkathman, well i clicked on send this file...but nothing seems to be happening on the hard disk although i do see a lot of transferring messages at bottom of page
[08:00] <whiskers> kkathman, so i am not sure if or how it works
[08:00] <kkathman> what I need is a site I can get an ISO of Photoshop 7 now that my orig disk is scratched ARGGGG!
[08:00] <boylizard> get a scratch removal thingy
[08:00] <whiskers> kkathman, what we really need is to know the ports on xchat to make xdcc work
[08:00] <kkathman> whiskers it will upload to that site...then I'll get a message and a code to go retrieve it
[08:00] <CellarDoor> whats the name of that entire abobe suite ?
[08:01] <boylizard> they work really well, only about 20 dollars and well worth it
[08:01] <CellarDoor> a friend of mine bought it for his mac
[08:01] <buz> google with filetype: is perfect for something like that
[08:01] <kkathman> boylizard: yeah I tried that already :(
[08:01] <boylizard> what did you do to the poor disk? o.O :p
[08:01] <whiskers> kkathman, i see a byte counter on the page and it says 13% sent
[08:01] <whiskers> kkathman, so maybe it is doing something
[08:02] <kkathman> boylizard: no clue...I tried to put it in today... and it wouldnt read it...looked at it..and there are like 2-3 BIG scratches
[08:02] <kkathman> whiskers: probably is doing just fine 
[08:02] <whiskers> kkathman, be sure to use root and type nautilus from a terminal and change whatever permissions are necessary for the file...ok
[08:03] <kkathman> if I try to get a replacement disk from Macromedia, that will be fun, seeing that I bought the disk from a friend who was retiring his win box for a Mac
[08:03] <whiskers> kkathman, in case my group or user name is different from your setup
[08:03] <kkathman> whiskers: does it matter what directory I put it in?  Im just going to compile it right?
[08:04] <CellarDoor> I found a good use for my old win box
[08:04] <whiskers> kkathman, but i would think root is similar for all systems....so just become root and gunzip the file after making a separate directory somewhere and then type make install.
[08:04] <whiskers> kkathman, no...that won't matter...but i usually make things in /usr/src/gimpshop
[08:04] <whiskers> kkathman, it is easy for me to keep track like that
[08:05] <boylizard> CellarDoor: install linux and server?
[08:05] <kkathman> whiskers: OH so I dont have to do a configure, make and sudo make install?
[08:05] <whiskers> kkathman, no you don't need anything...just make install...that is all
[08:05] <kkathman> kewl
[08:05] <CellarDoor> nah I gutted it and use the case as a coffee table :P
[08:05] <whiskers> kkathman, i have taken care of all the details
[08:05] <boylizard> CellarDoor: i usually use windows solely for gaming anymore, i just removed my xp install (w00t, 80 gig 7200 rpm hard drive for linux :))
[08:05] <kkathman> thanks!!!!!
[08:05] <CellarDoor> I recommend Cedega for gaming on Linux
[08:05] <boylizard> and for gaming you need a fast comp
[08:06] <kkathman> whiskers: the author of gimpshop has claimed to have put together a deb, but I have yet to see one
[08:06] <whiskers> kkathman, well maybe he doesn't know how to make a deb...just like me
[08:06] <buz> you can use alien to install gimpshop
[08:06] <buz> but really, the interface still sucks
[08:06] <whiskers> buz, absolutely...that is how i built it
[08:07] <kkathman> whiskers: I already have gimp installed, but that shouldnt make any difference right?
[08:07] <whiskers> kkathman, yes it makes a difference because gimpshop is tied to certain libraries...already included so don't update any gimp files less you may break the program
[08:08] <whiskers> kkathman, but uh you will be able to look and use it as is....it will install its own libraries....and if you do update later...the new gimp will work but gimpshop may break
[08:08] <kkathman> whiskers: I have whatever came with hoary/kubuntu desktop...but I also installed some help files and things thats all
[08:08] <kkathman> I didnt replace gimp it self
[08:09] <whiskers> kkathman, it won't hurt anything....gimpshop will overwrite.
[08:10] <whiskers> kkathman, but if you choose to update gimp stuff later...you may break gimpshop even though the new gimp will work
[08:12] <whiskers> well it may take awhile...the system is only uploading at 331k/s
[08:12] <kkathman> whiskers: okie
[08:12] <kkathman> thats not so bad
[08:12] <whiskers> kkathman, i can't afford high bandwidth
[08:12] <kkathman> I just noticed that wine apparently will run Paint Shop Pro 7 so I might try that too
[08:14] <CellarDoor> why not run Photoshop on CrossoverOffice ?
[08:14] <ice_1963> it's not free
[08:15] <ice_1963> use wine it is
[08:15] <CellarDoor> well yeah, see if Photoshop runs on wine first
[08:16] <ice_1963> i have =)
[08:16] <kkathman> well, again, I keep saying...my PS7 disk is scratched, so unless someone can channel me to a nice ISO site..Im stuck with PS7 on windows :)
[08:16] <CellarDoor> how did it go ice_1963 ?
[08:16] <kkathman> Interestingly enough, Macromedia got bought out today by Adobe :)
[08:17] <CellarDoor> hmm
[08:17] <kkathman> And they have competing products :)
[08:18] <CellarDoor> so much for competition
[08:18] <kkathman> well the Adobe web design and graphics environment is a freckle on the ass of Dreamweaver and Photoshop tho
[08:19] <whiskers> kkathman, i also have many other rare builds if anybody wants them....but you will have to let me know
[08:20] <kkathman> whiskers: I really appreciate your helping me on this...thanks :)
[08:21] <whiskers> kkathman, well first lets see if it is going to work....i don't want to be premature....and i wish i knew the ports for xdcc on xchat because things would be much easier
[08:23] <buz> i think dreamweaver progressively got worse with the last few releases
[08:24] <buz> and the didnt quite deliver a solution to deal with css 
[08:24] <whiskers> buz, oh well i have a build on nvu and also on f4lm so who needs dreamweaver
[08:24] <whiskers> buz, and also on conglomerate
[08:24] <buz> nvu does AWFUL code
[08:25] <buz> its pretty much unusable in its current state
[08:25] <whiskers> buz, well then try conglomerate
[08:25] <buz> never heard of it
[08:25] <whiskers> buz, well wake up....these people are working very hard to starve to death
[08:26] <buz> believe what you want. safe to say i don't share your view.
[08:27] <CellarDoor> Nvu is pretty new though
[08:27] <buz> well, it got quite a history
[08:27] <buz> after all, it's a fork of mozilla composer...
[08:27] <kkathman> wine isnt exactly straight forward is it? hehe
[08:27] <buz> wine didnt ever do much for me.
[08:27] <CellarDoor> I don't use wine
[08:27] <buz> supposedly IE6 runs in it but i never got it to run
[08:28] <buz> for some little webpage testing, kqemu is enough, as dogslow as it is
[08:28] <CellarDoor> why on earth would someone wan't to run IE6 in wine ?
[08:28] <kkathman> I guess I have some reading to do on wine....probably another configuration I need to get the MSI to work
[08:28] <buz> so you can see what 90% of all surfers see :-((
[08:29] <CellarDoor> eh ?
[08:29] <buz> i occasionally need to do "webdesign"
[08:29] <CellarDoor> pfft
[08:29] <buz> and while i'd LOVE to target gecko only, that's kinda unrealistic
[08:31] <CellarDoor> As an ordinary surfer I don't appreciate sites that tell me I need to download IE to view their site properly... I tend to send nasty emails to people who do that
[08:33] <buz> sure
[08:33] <buz> i develop against firefox
[08:33] <kkathman> buz: yes seeing that IE still controls way over 90% of the browser environment, its good to test there :)
[08:33] <buz> but since IE is so bad at rendering CSS i at least need to check what massacre it does with the site
[08:33] <buz> and usually spend a lot of time getting it to a state where IE does something useful with it
[08:33] <buz> IE SUCKS
[08:33] <kkathman> but if you are using CSS and stay compliant with CSS1 and the foundations of CSS2 you are ok
[08:34] <CellarDoor> Firefox is pushing closer to that 10% mark with each passing day
[08:34] <kkathman> but things like Opera and a few other browsers do tend to ignore some of the CSS2 things, and so does IE for that matter
[08:34] <buz> i dont really care for opera
[08:34] <buz> but in ie it has to work
[08:35] <stelt> Firefox rules, thunderbird has a long way to go.
[08:35] <buz> mhh i'm using thunderbird exclusively now
[08:35] <buz> it doesnt quite match the bat but it does the job
[08:36] <buz> and it sure as hell beats the shit out of OE
[08:37] <whiskers> kkathman, i hope this works because it beats the hell out of paying $30/yr for DNS registration fees
[08:38] <whiskers> kkathman, but what we need is a way to automatically seed files to bittorrent
[08:39] <CellarDoor> I use Kontact
[08:39] <whiskers> kkathman, it still seems to be doing something it now says 39%
[08:40] <buz> kontact is quite good, but its not crossplatform the least
[08:40] <whiskers> kkathman, do you also want the GNU Star Wars movie....because many websites are playing tricks with it
[08:40] <drei> Hi, somebody know how find devel package of xorg on kubuntu?
[08:40] <whiskers> kkathman, and trying to get people to sign up for payments
[08:40] <buz> tho it looks like i'll stick to FreeUnix (might go to a  BSD desktop some day)
[08:40] <kkathman> whiskers: nah, that wont be necessary :)
[08:40] <whiskers> kkathman, ok...that will be fine
[08:41] <kkathman> whiskers: I dont even know that the GNU Star Wars movie is
[08:42] <CellarDoor> aah isnt that the thing where DeCSS is scrolled like a starwars intro ?
[08:43] <CellarDoor> drei, tried Kynaptic ?
[08:44] <drei> CellarDoor: ofcourse
[08:44] <CellarDoor> hmm yeah doesn't seem to be anything
[08:44] <whiskers> kkathman, well then you might want to examine for yourself what our freedom fighters are capable of
[08:44] <CellarDoor> I dunno
[08:45] <CellarDoor> you'd think there would be
[08:45] <CellarDoor> well 
[08:45] <CellarDoor> surely
[08:45] <CellarDoor> somewhere :P
[08:45] <CellarDoor> night (its late here)
[08:45] <drei> there's xorg-common, xserver-xorg
[08:45] <whiskers> kkathman, my suspicion is that you will be well pleased....but only you can speak for you
[08:46] <CellarDoor> yeh saw that
[08:46] <CellarDoor> night all
[08:59] <kkathman> whiskers: well ok...you talked me into it :)
[08:59] <whiskers> kkathman, well ok...lets get this file first...then i will send the movie
[08:59] <kkathman> whiskers: excellent :)
[08:59] <whiskers> kkathman, and we also have some great music by a videogamepianist who also wants to starve to death
[09:00] <kkathman> I apologize for being a little tardy in my response, I was trying to get wine working and it isnt for some reason
[09:00] <whiskers> kkathman, yeah...i know...i have had problems with it since the beginning....it still doesn't get sound right
[09:03] <kkathman> I was trying to install Paint Shop Pro 7, which I KNOW is good...but I think it needs the msi installer
[09:03] <kkathman> but I think I'll wait and just see how gimpshop is
[09:04] <whiskers> kkathman, yes well take a look and see if it is of any use...i don't know how to use it myself...but it does scan and print beautifully
[09:05] <whiskers> kkathman, and that is what i use if for
[09:06] <whiskers> kkathman, it will help people to become altruistic and give up all their internal documents and stuff to comply with gnu and achieve true freedom
[09:07] <kkathman> whiskers: Im all for that....esp if the functionality is good :)
[09:09] <buz> can i have some of what you're smoking, whiskers ?
[09:11] <whiskers> buz, well it is a sport's light....probably available in your area
[09:12] <buz> light as in lamp?
[09:12] <whiskers> buz, well there is lamp and there is lapp
[09:13] <whiskers> buz, but without glom working at this time...lapp is not of so much use
[09:13] <whiskers> buz, although with the help of the tcl/tk people who also want to starve to death....pgaccess does help
[09:17] <zAo^> how can I tell Konqueror that (rightmouse)-left is the guesture for "Back" ?
[09:24] <whiskers> kkathman, you know i was thinking...i do have amule kindof working ...i wonder if i could put these files in amule so people could get them...but do they have to know which server to log into
[09:24] <whiskers> kkathman, how does that system work.....are they all interconnected or separate
[09:26] <kkathman> whiskers: I suppose you can do that
[09:26] <helene> hi guys, i m having a hard time with the usb mass storage auto recognition, it doesn't work anymore (manual mounting is possible though)... but I don't know what framework is being used for kde to show an icon when a ums device is inserted... any idea appreciated !!
[09:26] <whiskers> kkathman, well are they interconnected or separate
[09:26] <kkathman> whiskers: I am not a big P2P person because of the viruses that run rampant (linux is a bit more immune to them tho)
[09:27] <whiskers> kkathman, yes viruses are everywhere but i do try to scan things with clamav....to help a little
[09:27] <kkathman> whiskers: not interconnected as such, you kind of get on the "network" and "publish" your list of shared apps, and if someone wants that, then you come up on their list
[09:30] <alexissoft> hi
[09:30] <whiskers> kkathman, well we do have legally free stuff to share and p2p helps bring the cost down of doing so
[09:31] <whiskers> kkathman, well it is at 88% now...so not too much longer and you will be able to test the mechanism
[09:32] <kkathman> terrific :)
[09:32] <kkathman> whiskers: terrific :)
[09:36] <whiskers> kkathman, good thing this new firefox did not break the java plugin...because that website seems to be using java
[09:36] <kkathman> whiskers: most people use those P2P networks really to do nothing but exchange illegal rips of songs tho
[09:37] <whiskers> kkathman, no...not really....that has subsided greatly....now many people are sharing all the legal stuff that they are forced to hand over as a result of gnu compiance
[09:38] <whiskers> kkathman, you know...all their internal documents...all their private databases....all their music...games...movies....source code....whatever.
[09:42] <ubuntu> hi!
[09:52] <dagnele> hi all
[09:52] <skaman> hi
[09:55] <dagnele> now kubuntu is installed on my laptop...yeah :D
[10:00] <alexissoft> hum
[10:00] <alexissoft> finished now :)
[10:02] <alexissoft> but pxe setup installed ubuntu standard instead :(
[10:03] <skaman> ubuntu instead that kubuntu?
[10:03] <skaman> O_o
[10:03] <alexissoft> yes
[10:03] <alexissoft> i used pxe setup
[10:03] <skaman> i heard this another time
[10:03] <alexissoft> with netinstall
[10:03] <skaman> u can install kubuntu trough apt-get
[10:04] <skaman> and then remove gdk
[10:04] <alexissoft> yes yes
[10:04] <alexissoft> i know how to do that :)$
[10:04] <alexissoft> but thanks
[10:04] <alexissoft> too
[10:06] <skaman> ;)
[10:08] <whiskers> kkathman, ok...the file says it finished....so become root make a directory somewhere....gunzip filename....cd to top of source directory and type make install
[10:08] <whiskers> kkathman, lets try it out to see if it is robust
[10:08] <kkathman> Ok I need to go get it I suppose. one moment
[10:09] <whiskers> kkathman, also it asks for another file but it does not supply me your email...and i forgot it...so you will have to give it to me again unless it is in my clipboard.
[10:10] <whiskers> ok...nevermind it was in my clipboard
[10:11] <kkathman> whiskers: kkathman@entdyn.com
[10:11] <whiskers> kkathman, yes it was already still in my clipboard...so i just pasted it again
[10:11] <whiskers> kkathman, it is already on its way
[10:12] <RustyShackleford> I need help on getting a wireless G card in my laptop to work with ubuntu.  I don't think the card is being recognized.
[10:13] <whiskers> kkathman, do you have a mechanism to access the file at that website
[10:14] <whiskers> kkathman, because as far as i can tell it requires the java plugin to firefox on linux
[10:14] <kkathman> Im checking my email
[10:14] <kkathman> one sec
[10:15] <whiskers> kkathman, if you have any problems with the javaplugin on ubuntu just let me know
[10:16] <whiskers> kkathman, it is a little tricky
[10:16] <kkathman> hmmm I havent gotten anything to say its done yet
[10:17] <whiskers> kkathman, well i don't know.....that java stuff is beyond me....i can easily put it on amule i think
[10:17] <whiskers> kkathman, and you can get it as it comes in
[10:18] <whiskers> kkathman, but now i am sending the other file
[10:19] <kkathman> hmm I wonder where it is?
[10:19] <whiskers> kkathman, all i know is it changed from blue to red and said 100% and then asked for another file
[10:19] <whiskers> kkathman, ok never mind that java bullshit....let me try amule
[10:21] <kkathman> whiskers: do I have amule natively on ubuntu
[10:22] <RustyShackleford>  I need help on getting a wireless G card in my laptop to work with ubuntu.  I don't think the card is being recognized.
[10:23] <whiskers> kkathman, yes just go to synapic and install amule...it partially works
[10:24] <whiskers> kkathman, kkathman perhaps enough to get something....but i only see a place to set a directory for incoming files...not ougoing files...so i am going to try to put the file in the incoming directory and see if you can access it
[10:28] <kkathman> whiskers: Im going to start amule
[10:29] <kkathman> whiskers: Ive got the panel up
[10:29] <whiskers> kkathman, ok..connect to byte servers just in case because i don't know how that system is designed...look for gimpshop2.tar.gz
[10:30] <whiskers> kkathman, i opened the port on my router so it should be available
[10:30] <kkathman> whisk
[10:30] <kkathman> oops
[10:30] <whiskers> kkathman, be sure to open port 4712
[10:30] <whiskers> kkathman, do you see a connect button
[10:30] <kkathman> whiskers: tell ya what...lets go to a private messge here
[10:31] <whiskers> kkathman, well ok..but i hate pm...because other people might want to know
[10:31] <kkathman> ok I figured we'd be bothering them
[10:57] <Fhigo> night everybody :)
[11:22] <malte> i've heard people talking about kaffeine 0.6-0ubuntu3, does anyone know where to find it? it doesn't seem to exist in multiverse nor universe
[11:34] <yahalom> how do i apt-get kubuntu?
[11:35] <uniq> from ubuntu? 
[11:35] <kkathman> yahalom: just do  sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[11:35] <kkathman> yahalom: make sure your sources.list is correct
[11:35] <yahalom> ah thats it, thanx
[11:36] <yahalom> kkathman, is there still an arts prob?
[11:37] <kkathman> yahalom: artsd?
[11:37] <yahalom> kkathman, the kde sound system
[11:38] <kkathman> yahalom: right artsd....I didnt know there was anything wrong with it
[11:38] <yahalom> kkathman, so thats good ;)
[11:39] <yahalom> kkathman, u use adsl?
[11:39] <whiskers> kkathman, well i tell you that is really something trying to get anything to work
[11:40] <whiskers> kkathman, did you check that email address again to see if that could work
[11:40] <kkathman> whiskers: yep I never got an email so I dont know what happened there..that should have worked for sure
[11:40] <kkathman> yahalom: yes I am adsl
[11:41] <whiskers> kkathman, well i guess linux still has more to be done
[11:41] <whiskers> kkathman, but if you know java 1.5...there is one more thing i can think of to try and that is ants
[11:41] <kkathman> whiskers I guess I will have to configure, make, and make-install on th source
[11:41] <yahalom> kkathman, how did u connect? what app did u use?
[11:41] <kkathman> yahalom: connect?
[11:42] <whiskers> kkathman, no..ants is just like a doc file but you open it with javaws
[11:42] <whiskers> kkathman, i will go get it and see if it works on ubuntu
[11:42] <yahalom> kkathman, yeah to adsl. is there a dialer? cos last time i had adsl i had to make my own dialer
[11:43] <kkathman> yahalom: no, I didnt need a dialer...I just connected to the internet during the install and the network config got automatically done
[11:43] <yahalom> kkathman, u dont need a username and password?
[11:44] <yahalom> kkathman, what default display should i choose? gdm or kdm?
[11:45] <yahalom> kkathman, does it matter?
[11:46] <dcuadra> Hi
[11:47] <Raven_> kde is putting a message at the top left. It says things every time I activate a window. I want to get rid of it. Maybe a debugging tool I turned on by mistake.
[11:47] <kkathman> yahalom: I didnt, because I have a switch that I configured with my PPPoE and is does the authentication for me
[11:47] <Raven_> "The KDE Windows Manager moveend", in one example
[11:47] <Raven_> Please help! It is driving me crazy!
[11:48] <dcuadra> Why KDEDIR is no set???
[11:48] <yahalom> kkathman, how did u configure that?any links?
[11:48] <whiskers> kkathman, well ants is going crazy here but it is doing something....maybe i can get something to work
[11:49] <kkathman> whiskers...
[11:49] <kkathman> whiskers: I have a different server and this one I've used before.
[11:50] <kkathman> whiskers: can we try this one...it doesnt require signup at all
[11:52] <whiskers> kkathman, ok..but give me a minute i am having some kind of connection problem with ants right now....just wait a few
[11:53] <kkathman> ok
[11:57] <_michel> hello
[11:57] <kkathman> hi _michel 
[11:58] <_michel> hi
[11:59] <reagleBRKLN> if i click the korg alarm daemon, it doesn't instantiate korganizer in hoary, does it work for other people?
[12:00] <_michel> do u know how to configure my screan with kubuntu? it can go 1280x1024 but i just can 1024x860
[12:00] <reagleBRKLN> (the icon in kicker)
[12:00] <_michel> i never tried kalarm yet