[12:30] <tsume_> SEBest: looks like splashly supports my card in the whitelist
[12:32] <SEBest> tsume_:  it's really to install, just add the repository and apt-get install splashy and voila
[12:32] <SEBest> no file to edit 
[12:33] <SEBest> the progress bar is not working for me
[12:46] <schweeb> fabbione: poke
[01:11] <blueyed> do I have to compile libapache2-mod-php4 to get mysql support? it's configured --without-mysql.. :/
[01:12] <bluefoxicy> Is there a way to get the ubuntu d-i to go and install to a usb device, complete with grub ready to boot from a usb device?
[01:13] <schweeb> no, you don't have to recompile php4
[01:13] <schweeb> just install php4-mysql
[01:14] <schweeb> whoa
[01:14] <bluefoxicy> repost:  is there a way to get the ubuntu d-i to go and install to a usb device, complete with grub ready to boot from a usb device?
[01:15] <blueyed> repost: do I have to compile libapache2-mod-php4 to get mysql support? it's configured --without-mysql..  ;)
[01:16] <schweeb> blueyed: no
[01:16] <schweeb> php4-mysql
[01:17] <zyga> bluefoxicy: hey
[01:18] <bluefoxicy> hi zyga
[01:18] <bluefoxicy> damn, according to the forums there's no easy usb stuff
[01:18] <bluefoxicy> not that my laptop is workin with usb anyway
[01:19] <blueyed> schweeb, I have that package installed.. ?!
[01:19] <zyga> bluefoxicy: I've moved forward with malloc trickery ;] 
[01:19] <blueyed> Even reinstalled it again, schweeb.
[01:19] <schweeb> blueyed: then it's either not enabled, or you're doing something else wrong
[01:19] <schweeb> try a phpinfo():
[01:19] <schweeb> er phpinfo();
[01:20] <blueyed> yep, it says "--without-mysql"..
[01:20] <bluefoxicy> zyga:  any luck?  esp. confirming that glibc does indeed manage a giant heap (apparently as many subheaps, but it's still one big memory allocation from kernel POV)
[01:20] <schweeb> blueyed: check further down, for loaded modules
[01:21] <schweeb> this is more a #ubuntu matter though
[01:22] <zyga> bluefoxicy: some, I did not read malloc implementation yet but I've made some small tests that confirm general inefficienty as well as initial malloc&friends test re-implementation effort
[01:22] <zyga> bluefoxicy: currently I'm stuck with LD_PRELOAD issue
[01:22] <zyga> bluefoxicy: I don
[01:22] <bluefoxicy> LD_PRELOAD=/home/shared/programming/new_allocator.so
[01:22] <bluefoxicy> err.
[01:23] <bluefoxicy> LD_PRELOAD=/home/shared/programming/new_allocator.so mem_test_hack
[01:23] <zyga> bluefoxicy: that works for simple tests but if seems to fail when running something as trivial as ls
[01:23] <zyga> bluefoxicy: I'm using dlsym (RTDL_NEXT, "...") as my test backend
[01:23] <bluefoxicy> then your new code may be broke :)
[01:23] <zyga> bluefoxicy: new code just gathers stats
[01:23] <bluefoxicy> ah
[01:24] <bluefoxicy> wow.  I'm not a software RE
[01:24] <zyga> bluefoxicy: I've tried doing _init and __attribute__((constructor))
[01:24] <bluefoxicy> I just look at the source and documentation and if I don't know then I just say fck it
[01:24] <zyga> and even dlsym-per-request
[01:24] <bluefoxicy> but that's awesome :)
[01:24] <bluefoxicy> fabbione:  ping, awake today?
[01:24] <zyga> but all seem to fail on particular tests :/
[01:24] <bluefoxicy> heh
[01:25] <zyga> bluefoxicy: RE?
[01:25] <jbailey> bluefoxicy: He said good night earlier in another channel.
[01:25] <bluefoxicy> zyga:  reverse engineer.
[01:25] <bluefoxicy> jbailey:  oh damn I still need help about USB 1.1
[01:25] <zyga> bluefoxicy: neither am I ;] 
[01:25] <bluefoxicy> jbailey:  though if you give me a hack to make USB2.0 ports talk to 1.1 devices without a USB 1.1 HCD driver I'll be happy
[01:25] <bluefoxicy> :)
[01:25] <zyga> jbailey: maybe you could shed some light on this? how to correctly intercept malloc & friends? (I can show what fails ATM)
[01:25] <bluefoxicy> zyga:  you sound like it ;)
[01:26] <zyga> bluefoxicy: nah, RE is magic stuff - I only use vim and google ;] 
[01:26] <jbailey> bluefoxicy: No idea.  I try to stay on this side of the syscall layer. =)
[01:26] <bluefoxicy> ohci_hcd 0000:00:02.0: USB HC TakeOver failed!  <-- thus, no USB 1.1; but I get 6 2.0 ports (this laptop has 3)
[01:26] <jbailey> zyga: What do you mean 'intercept'?
[01:27] <bluefoxicy> jbailey:  for reference with zyga, https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=9824  :)
[01:27] <zyga> jbailey: get my stuff called instead of libc code, but be able to call libc malloc later
[01:27] <zyga> jbailey: something like: void *malloc(size_t foo) { return (void (*)(size_t))(dlsym (RTLD_NEXT, "malloc"))(foo); }
[01:27] <jbailey> zyga: Ah, are you John Moser?
[01:28] <zyga> (paretheses may be wrong, sorry)
[01:28] <zyga> jbailey: no ;-) who is that?
[01:28] <bluefoxicy> jbailey:  no, I'm john, zyga just liked my idea :)
[01:28] <jbailey> bluefoxicy: Ah. =)
[01:28] <bluefoxicy> and I'm lazy/busy (college, job)
[01:28] <zyga> bluefoxicy: heh, sorry :)
[01:28] <bluefoxicy> and not much of a hacker ;)
[01:28] <zyga> jbailey: I'm just trying to learn new things every day and that seemd plausible :>
[01:29] <jbailey> zyga: Umm, I suppose that might work if you dlopen'd yourself.
[01:29] <jbailey> Although I don't really know how that works with weak aliases.
[01:29] <zyga> jbailey: the strange thing is it works on trivial code but fails on real world stuff as simple as ls
[01:30] <zyga> jbailey: I don't know how aliases are resolved
[01:30] <jbailey> Ther'es a function called 'malloc_hook', I wonder what it does.
[01:30] <zyga> jbailey: I've been using soapbox code as a simple reference (google for: dag soapbox)
[01:30] <bluefoxicy> jbailey:  it allocates space for Captain Hook, what do you think it does?  :P
[01:30] <zyga> jbailey: It get's called by glibc's malloc
[01:31] <zyga> jbailey: that's good for stats but not to replace malloc compleatly later
[01:31] <bluefoxicy> zyga:  I liked my answer better; Hook was a better movie than glibc
[01:31] <jbailey> bluefoxicy: I haven't dug through the malloc code.  If I knew what it was, I wouldn't have asked.
[01:31] <bluefoxicy> jbailey:  it was a joke man :P
[01:31] <jbailey> =)
[01:31] <jbailey> zyga: Ah, hmm.
 give me my bubbly.
[01:32] <zyga> bluefoxicy: stop being lazy BTW: read malloc - it's not that big
[01:32] <jbailey> I find it interesting that malloc doesn't seem to be a weak reference to a proper function.
[01:34] <zyga> jbailey: reading man malloc_hook makes me correct previous statement - this *might* be use to alter malloc implementation
[01:35] <zyga> jbailey: but that's not what I want in the end (like: no glibc malloc for a moment, go away ;-)
[01:35] <jbailey> What I had been thinking with the weak_alias idea was that you could just call the internal function and use symbol versioning magic to get it.
[01:36] <jbailey> Instead, your best bet might be to see if malloc still comes seperate in gnulib and just chain to that.
[01:40] <zyga> jbailey: I'll have to re-test dlopen (LIBC_SO, RTLD_LAZY) and subsequent dlsym (...) 
[01:40] <zyga> jbailey: I don't quite understand why they fail
[01:40] <zyga> jbailey: I'd love to get some stats from running real world stuff like firefox 
[01:41] <bluefoxicy> stats on i.e. how much memory is actually allocated vs how big the heap is?
[01:41] <zyga> bluefoxicy: stats on alloc sizes
[01:41] <zyga> bluefoxicy: I'm currently evaluating possibilities :)
[01:41] <bluefoxicy> heh :)
[01:42] <jbailey> Cool, good luck to you on it.
[01:42] <zyga> bluefoxicy: frankly I don't think I can come up with better malloc during the weekend so this may take lots of time but thanks :>
[01:42] <jbailey> *lol*
[01:43] <jbailey> I'd expect that to come up with a better malloc that's balanced in the most common cases and doesn't kill the corner cases will takes years of work, and probably result in several papers being published.
[01:43] <zyga> jbailey: I always love things auto-optimizing themselves from data gathered by previous runs
[01:44] <jbailey> Profile-based optimisations good.
[01:44] <bluefoxicy> lol
[01:45] <zyga> okay let's get back to reality 
[01:46] <zyga> jbailey: side note: I dont want to re-invent malloc really, I just want it to use different memory interface so that id doesn't keep tons of unused memory 
[01:47] <zyga> (but the possibility of doing that depends on current algo ofcourse)
[01:47] <jbailey> zyga: I'm curious if it actually does keep the memory that it seems to.
[01:47] <zyga> jbailey: simple examples show that it does
[01:47] <zyga> jbailey: bluefoxicy has a trivial case for you on a web page somewhere
[01:47] <jbailey> Are the tools that you're using capable of seeing small allocations, or do they just show heep size?
[01:48] <jbailey> (which could have holes in it)
[01:48] <zyga> jbailey: good question
[01:48] <zyga> jbailey: no the tool only shows heap size
[01:48] <jbailey> Often cases tools like top and such report really inaccurate numbers because they're based on simple measurements - so there's no accounting for memory holes, shared data segments, etc.
[01:49] <zyga> jbailey: at least that's what I think - top's the tool ATM 
[01:49] <jbailey> Yeah, top is generally right out to lunch.
[01:49] <zyga> jbailey: I've got a better test than
[01:49] <jbailey> You have to go digging through the /proc directory, and probably get malloc debugging turned on to watch the allocations.
[01:49] <jbailey> It's a worthwhile exercise.
[01:50] <zyga> s/than/then/
[01:51] <zyga> how about this: alloc lots, touch lots, alloc tiny, free lots (lots = physical ram), wait, free tiny
[01:51] <jbailey> Right, but turn on malloc debugging.
[01:51] <zyga> run, twice
[01:51] <jbailey> IIRC, you can compile glibc with trace code to show you what's happening.
[01:51] <jbailey> Or grab the version in gnulib, which should have the same algo's as glibc and tweak it a bit to produce the output you want.
[01:52] <zyga> jbailey: this is less work for a simple test like this
[01:52] <zyga> jbailey: if it confirms that memory really goes away then I cannot fix anything because it works fine
[01:52] <jbailey> Except that you still don't have a tool that shows you what the allocations are doing.
[01:52] <zyga> jbailey: if memory stays then I get to hear my hard drive ;] 
[01:52] <jbailey> Remember to do it in single user mode, then. =)
[01:53] <zyga> jbailey: good point
[01:54] <zyga> (why does every university I know teach lame stuff on their IT classes?)
[01:55] <jbailey> g'morning doko. =)
[01:56] <jbailey> ogra: Or whoever you are...
[01:58] <ogra> jbailey, we are both ;)
[01:59] <ogra> susus, ping 
[02:01] <ogra> jdub ?
[02:02] <schweeb> "we are the collective"
[02:02] <ogra> jdub, i think sydney is the most beautiful city in the world ;) youre a really lucky guy to live here....
[02:03] <bluefoxicy> jbailey: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/attachment.cgi?id=2134
[02:04] <doko> jbailey: so you join us on Saturday?
[02:05] <zyga> jbailey: well it swaps out as hell
[02:05] <zyga> jbailey: a very rough test though
[02:05] <zyga> system is almos totally unusable
[02:10] <zyga> jbailey: I don't know what it does yet but keeping one tiny allocated item at the end of otherwise unused heap keeps entire heap used, no holes 
[02:20] <robertj> calc: IMO it's non-enforcable and should just be cleaned up as we go
[02:21] <calc> its non-enforcable when used in embedded situations such as pdf as well?
[02:22] <robertj> calc: I dunno, I'd suspect so for end-user fonts. I could see a court agreeing that fonts purchased ala-cart had more restrictive licences.
[02:23] <calc> ok
[02:23] <robertj> I'm no legal expert, but it seems feasable.
[02:32] <JanC> what's the problem with a GPL'ed font ?
[02:32] <calc> JanC: the argument which fsf seems to agree with is an embedded font in a document makes said document fall under the GPL as well
[02:34] <JanC> maybe the font author can force the PDF author to stop distributing his PDF with his GPL font
[02:35] <JanC> the document wouldn't automagical become GPL'ed...
[02:36] <JanC> hm, if there was a way to mark font licenses & document licenses, PDF creation programs and the like could check for compatible licenses...  :)
[02:38] <JanC> at least, here in europe
[02:41] <dhonn> the font is probably LGPL'ed
[02:42] <dhonn> LGPL'ed code is safe for proprietary usage
[02:44] <dhonn> plus the font is not source code
[03:09] <|QuaD-> wow.... just got my mailbox full with breezy changes :)
[03:15] <schweeb> heh, looks like they ran the sync again, eh
[03:16] <crimsun> works for me :)
[03:16] <crimsun> I certainly don't mind merging off those
[03:20] <|QuaD-> heeh, i haven't updated yet :)
[03:20] <|QuaD-> about to
[03:23] <robertj> does anyone know the Gnome 2-point-11 address?
[03:35] <infinity> jbailey : Is it okay if I still moderately dislike you?
[03:39] <jbailey> infinity: Is this till for the ppc thing?
[03:39] <infinity> Yes. :)
[03:39] <infinity> My shiny new 2.6.11.7 kernel is OOpsing, so I'm blaming you.
[03:40] <jbailey> Does the fact that our glibc ought now to work for your PHP setup not make up for some of it?
[03:40] <infinity> Shh.
[03:40] <infinity> Don't use logic on me, man.
[03:41] <robertj> infinity: what's the problem?
[03:42] <jbailey> infinity: Ubuntu's 2.6.10 works fine for me on pegasos and on a g5.
[03:43] <infinity> jbailey : I could just be unlucky.  I'm debugging as we speak.
[03:43] <infinity> jbailey : My hardware is a bit old and cranky at times.
[03:46] <jbailey> Ah, cool.
[03:56] <jbailey> infinity: You're coming to UDU, right?  Do I have to worry about you killing me in my sleep from your hatred?
[03:57] <jbailey> infinity: Or are we past that point now?
[03:58] <infinity> jbailey : Yes, and maybe.
[03:58] <elmo> aren't you two sharing a room?
[03:58] <infinity> elmo : We are?
[03:58] <elmo> infinity: who knows, I'm just trolling
[03:59] <infinity> Oh. ;)
[03:59] <infinity> Punk.
[03:59] <thom> *shock*
[04:12] <zul> there speakup support for breezy
[04:13] <jbailey> zul: Does that collection of words form a sentence? =)
[04:14] <zul> in the lower 50 states it does
[04:15] <ajmitch_> jbailey: randomly insert words from the dictionary to make up a sentence?
[04:15] <zul> and certain parts of canada
[04:15] <jbailey> Given that we haven't been assimilated yet, would you... NM.  I like Andrew's suggestion.
[04:15] <zul> i just ported speakup support for 2.6.12
[04:15] <jbailey> There... speakup DAMMIT!  Support for breezy?
[04:15] <jbailey> See?  I only needed to add one word and some punctuation. =)
[04:15] <jbailey> zul: What's that? =)
[04:16] <zul> http://linux-speakup.org/
[04:16] <dhonn> I love gfx programming and I feel the gfx rendering slow, what source packages should I be looking at to optimize them?
[04:17] <jbailey> zul: Ah, cool.
[04:17] <zul> jbailey: so when i loose my sight i can still be witty
[04:18] <robertj> zul: draw a better logo before you do ;)
[04:20] <zul> i dont draw i hack..:)
[04:20] <zul> therefore i am
[04:21] <zul> im also slightly tired so i think im going to bed..
[04:21] <jbailey> Bed sounds good. =)
[06:04] <fabbione> morning
[06:05] <\sh> morning
[06:05] <robitaille> good morning fabbione 
[07:55] <fabbione> elmo: please sync bzr from experimental
[08:11] <da_bon_bon> can someone plz explain what technology does ubuntu use that enables me to apt-get off the live cd?
[08:14] <infinity> keybuk : Around?
[08:30] <da_bon_bon> why does ubuntu not shift over to 2.6.11 kernels ?
[08:30] <fabbione> because 2.6.11 is crap
[08:30] <da_bon_bon> fabbione: ? crap as in ?
[08:30] <fabbione> we are working .12 for breezt
[08:30] <fabbione> breezy
[08:30] <da_bon_bon> oh, and hoary will never get kernel updates now, right, fabbione ?
[08:31] <fabbione> da_bon_bon: it is buggy, way too much to spend time in fixing them
[08:31] <fabbione> da_bon_bon: only security updates
[08:32] <da_bon_bon> fabbione: :( damn. can i install a 2.6.12 from breezy ? due to slow net, i cant completely switch to breezy...
[08:32] <fabbione> da_bon_bon: there is no .12 in breezy yet
[08:32] <da_bon_bon> fabbione: when it is available ?
[08:32] <fabbione> there will be in a couple of weeks i think
[08:32] <da_bon_bon> i meant, when it is available, can i get .12 in hoary ?
[08:32] <fabbione> da_bon_bon: no
[08:33] <fabbione> it won't work
[08:33] <da_bon_bon> why ?
[08:33] <fabbione> or it might, but it might needs a lot of work for backporting
[08:33] <da_bon_bon> oh ok..
[08:33] <fabbione> because it will build using the new packages in breezy
[08:33] <da_bon_bon> then i will leave it alone :) maybe even compile my own kernel ;)
[08:33] <fabbione> that changes stuff around
[08:34] <da_bon_bon> oh ok..
[08:34] <da_bon_bon> btw, currently, how different is breezy from hoary ?
[08:36] <infinity> glibc 2.3.5.  That's all you need to know. :)
[08:36] <infinity> Oh, and gcc-4.0
[08:36] <infinity> So, even if everything else has stayed the same, breezy's likely hideously different/broken compared to hoary right now. :)
[08:37] <da_bon_bon> infinity: no new packages ? like gaim , firefox, and other "end-user" packages ?
[08:37] <da_bon_bon> infinity: and would u recomend, a person like me, whoze used hoary-devel , to use breezy-devel ?
[08:37] <infinity> Oh, other things have been updated (and continue to be updated), but those two changes are the two "uh oh, stuff's going to break" changes.
[08:38] <da_bon_bon> so u dont recomend mw to update hoary to breezy ATM ?
[08:39] <da_bon_bon> s/mw/me
[08:39] <infinity> I'd give it a week or three to settle a bit, but my word's hardly the final one there. :)
[08:40] <da_bon_bon> oh ok :)
[08:40] <da_bon_bon> so for now, i'll let it be :)
[08:44] <Burgundavia> da_bon_bon, I would also wait a wait or so to settle
[08:44] <Burgundavia> after UDU it should be better
[08:44] <da_bon_bon> oh ok
[08:44] <da_bon_bon> man, wish i cud attend UDU
[08:46] <da_bon_bon> but i dont even have a passport, let alone a visa ;)
[09:04] <da_bon_bon> one more question - how does ubuntu use grepmap to speed up hotplug ? can i implement it in other distros ?
[09:47] <ace2001ac> what '-dev' package has the pthread lib in it
[09:48] <GheRivero> res
[10:10] <sivang> Hi all, who is MOM ? ;-)
[10:10] <Burgundavia> merge-o-matic
[10:10] <Burgundavia> debian sid to ubuntu auto merger
[10:10] <sivang> Burgundavia: ah right, cool that's it's awake now
[10:13] <|QuaD-> again?
[10:13] <|QuaD-> what time?
[10:20] <cartel_> fabbione u there?
[10:21] <fabbione> cartel_: yes
[10:22] <infinity> ace2001ac : pthread comes from libc.
[10:41] <A_Alam> hi can anyone help me to add New Langauge Team to ubuntu
[10:41] <A_Alam> ?
[10:44] <jsgotangco> in rosetta?
[10:46] <A_Alam> in live CD, i want to add Punjabi (pa_IN)
[10:49] <Burgundavia> A_Alam, the live cd is already seriously pressed for space
[10:49] <Burgundavia> I doubt there is room for another lang pack
[10:50] <fabbione> cartel_: it's the second time you ping me and disappear.. it's not very polite...
[10:50] <A_Alam> Burgundavia, k, but we should open langauge option for New language by some method, should we not?
[10:50] <Burgundavia> A_Alam, hmm. I don't quite understand you
[10:52] <A_Alam> if space is limited, then we should not put constrain to number of language, but find some new solution for this
[10:52] <Burgundavia> A_Alam, new solution?
[10:52] <Burgundavia> a live dvd? ala suse?
[10:52] <Treenaks> Burgundavia: it should be possible to remove support for one language and add another
[10:53] <Burgundavia> it would be nice if they built iso's on the fly, but that is very bluesky
[10:53] <Treenaks> Burgundavia: or maybe remove 2 and add 1 large one or something
[10:53] <Burgundavia> where you could say, I want this lang, and it would do it
[10:54] <A_Alam> Treenaks, may be, as in Asia, we need not Euorpen langs and same for reverse
[10:54] <Treenaks> A_Alam: exactly..
[10:55] <Treenaks> A_Alam: it's all in the language-support-* and language-pack-* files.. remove those (and install new ones) and it _SHOULD_ work
[10:55] <A_Alam> yes, that is correct
[10:58] <A_Alam> gnome 2.10 supported 33 langauge, so we should target to release in all language via Add/remove able module method
[10:58] <Treenaks> A_Alam: well, that's a bit hard on a live-cd..
[11:00] <A_Alam> but in development of Live CD, can we add option to give the choice to CD-maker (developer) about select language package to  make a live CD?
[11:27] <zoppy> hi
[11:27] <zoppy> is it possible to disable DMA with grub ?
[11:28] <Treenaks> zoppy: with grub????
[11:28] <zoppy> yep
[11:28] <zoppy> because Ubuntu stops about 2 minutes when launching Starting Ubuntu ...
[11:28] <zoppy> I have DMA error :(
[11:29] <zoppy> same like this error http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24634&highlight=DMA+error
[11:30] <zoppy> i have to disable in hdparm.conf I think
[11:32] <zoppy> ??
[11:35] <fabbione> zoppy: these kind of errors are bad.. usually it's either the hd leaving for a better world or the mobo
[11:35] <fabbione> it can also be the ide flat cable that is not good enough
[11:35] <Treenaks> fabbione: or the chipset is wonky
[11:35] <fabbione> yeah
[11:35] <fabbione> but the DMA blacklist for old chipset is pretty stable
[11:37] <zoppy> arf
[11:38] <zoppy> ok
[11:38] <zoppy> I will try with another ide cable
[11:38] <zoppy> to check
[11:38] <fabbione> and 1) it is not as paranoid as i am used
[11:39] <fabbione> 2) i am not even half way of the things that need to be done
[12:01] <Treenaks> it creates bad packets which make gpg complain
[12:01] <Amaranth> neat, evolution just got removed
[12:07] <zoppy> does a bugreport has been report on Mozilla firefox? 
[12:07] <zoppy> when upgrade to hoary ?
[12:08] <thom> zoppy: what's the problem?
[12:10] <zoppy> mozilla firefox package breaks all the system package
[12:11] <zoppy> mozilla-firefox 1.0.2-0ubuntu5
[12:11] <Treenaks> zoppy: did you use some kind of backported firefox?
[12:11] <Treenaks> zoppy: in warty?
[12:11] <zoppy> nope
[12:11] <thom> ok, nothing like that has been reported; please file a bug with the exact output from apt and exactly what you did
[12:12] <zoppy> I'm trying to update mozilla firefox now
[12:12] <zoppy> some error display but install continue
[12:12] <zoppy> lol worky now 
[12:12] <Burgundavia> zoppy, are you trying to install the version of the website?
[12:12] <zoppy> yep
[12:12] <zoppy> with aptitude
[12:12] <fabbione> hey thombot
[12:13] <zoppy> when I do the dist-upgrade
[12:13] <zoppy> mozilla firefox package failed
[12:13] <zoppy> now it's works
[12:14] <thom> if it works don't file a bug, it's very likely that it was a local problem elsewhere
[12:15] <zoppy> yep
[12:33] <cartman> jbailey: any news about #9743 ?
[12:34] <cartel_> yo
[12:34] <fabbione> cartel_: please stop this ctcp thing.. it's really annoying.. what do you need??
[12:34] <Burgundavia> cartel_, fabbione is not happy with you
[12:35] <cartel_> fabbione, sorry i heard you were doing ubuntu xen-linux-images?
[12:36] <cartel_> i tried to build some but i couldnt work with ubuntu soruces
[12:36] <cartel_> sources*
[12:36] <fabbione> cartel_: yes and atm xen is no go
[12:36] <cartel_> fabbione: can i have your rules?
[12:36] <cartel_> fabbione: ive already done this for sarge
[12:37] <fabbione> cartel_: xen simply doesn't work on ubuntu kernels
[12:37] <fabbione> there are many major problems
[12:37] <cartel_> fabbione: who is the REAL ubuntu kernel maintainer....
[12:37] <fabbione> cartel_: me
[12:37] <cartel_> the one that patches the filth out of it
[12:37] <fabbione> still me
[12:37] <cartel_> i dont get it.. why such a huge delta from debian?
[12:38] <fabbione> cartel_: because we import more bug fixes and external drivers that debian does
[12:38] <cartel_> why arent you keeping track of the patches?
[12:39] <fabbione> cartel_: i do and it is all documented
[12:39] <cartel_> where?
[12:39] <cartel_> changelog?
[12:39] <fabbione> changelog and source package
[12:39] <cartel_> i tried to unpatch the sources
[12:39] <cartel_> your own patch would not reverse
[12:39] <fabbione> if you unpatch the source you get a plain 2.6.10
[12:39] <cartel_> so youd think
[12:40] <fabbione> and yes they reverse. it's done all the time the package is built
[12:40] <cartel_> maybe my source mirror is out of date
[12:40] <fabbione> there were never problems as you describe
[12:40] <cartel_> i tried for 10 hours to patch unsuccessfuly
[12:40] <cartel_> i could not unpatch from the ubuntu-sources
[12:41] <fabbione> why do you need to unpatch if you have already the unpatched source?
[12:41] <cartel_> nor could i patch up from xenolinux
[12:41] <fabbione> i could do both without any issue
[12:41] <fabbione> so it means you are doing something wrong somewhere
[12:41] <cartel_> what was your issue then
[12:41] <fabbione> i don't have issues...
[12:41] <cartel_> usb?
[12:42] <fabbione> issue with what?
[12:42] <cartel_> so you patch but xen just doesnt work?
[12:42] <fabbione> cartel_: it compiles, but it doesn't boot
[12:42] <cartel_> ok if it compiles, what is the boot error?
[12:42] <cartel_> hang?
[12:43] <cartel_> unable to mount root vfs?
[12:43] <fabbione> it boots the xen.gz microkernel and as soon as it loads the real kernel, it keeps rebooting
[12:43] <cartel_> can you give me your sources?
[12:43] <fabbione> this is with 2.6
[12:43] <cartel_> i have done lots of xen builds
[12:43] <cartel_> got a serial console?
[12:43] <fabbione> cartel_: no i don't have a serial console handy, but i can add one.
[12:43] <fabbione> the sources are in baz
[12:43] <cartel_> baz... k
[12:43] <cartel_> didnt think of that :)
[12:44] <cartel_> i was trying people.ubuntulinux.com thinking it was the same as p.d.o :p
[12:44] <cartel_> ill give it a try
[12:44] <cartel_> and if i succeed ill give you a patch
[12:44] <cartel_> :)
[12:44] <fabbione> ok
[12:45] <cartel_> i want to xen my workstation at work, thats ubuntu, ive xenned all my other machines
[12:45] <cartel_> they are sarge
[12:45] <cartel_> i have failover replicating xenohosts :p
[12:45] <fabbione> we will reevaluate xen when 3.0 will be out
[12:46] <fabbione> right now it is too sensitive to the hardware and the kernel
[12:46] <cartel_> wait for my screen shot ;)
[12:46] <fabbione> no i don't need screenshots. i got it running here with vanilla kernels
[12:46] <cartel_> no
[12:46] <fabbione> the problem is integration with distro kernel
[12:46] <cartel_> you cant build with the same rules
[12:46] <cartel_> ?
[12:46] <fabbione> cartel_: ?????????
[12:47] <fabbione> cartel_: we are talking 2 different languages
[12:47] <fabbione> the problem is not building the package
[12:47] <cartel_> you cant build your xen kernel with the same config as the ubuntu kernel can you
[12:47] <cartel_> it wont boot
[12:47] <fabbione> that is a trivial 10 minutes work
[12:47] <fabbione> config has been adapted and updated to match the XEN options as xen0 and xenU
[12:47] <fabbione> still... it doesn't boot
[12:47] <cartel_> it wont boot and still have the same hardware support etc
[12:48] <fabbione> and it is not a config problem
[12:48] <cartel_> yes no?
[12:48] <fabbione> no it is not a config problem
[12:48] <fabbione> i repeat
[12:48] <cartel_> ok
[12:48] <fabbione> same source compiled with the default xen config does not boot
[12:48] <cartel_> it just reboots?
[12:48] <fabbione> yes
[12:49] <cartel_> what processor are you using?
[12:49] <cartel_> cpu
[12:49] <fabbione> P4
[12:49] <cartel_> p4 ht?
[12:49] <fabbione> no only p4
[12:49] <cartel_> have you tried compiling for p3?
[12:50] <fabbione> athlon xp boots but can't mount root (this is with 2.4 tho)
[12:50] <cartel_> that is the real issue
[12:50] <fabbione> cartel_: no and right now xen is not on top of my priorities
[12:50] <cartel_> great, that means i can work on it
[12:50] <cartel_> :)
[12:50] <fabbione> as i said, they are changing implementation radically
[12:50] <fabbione> upstream wise
[12:50] <cartel_> i work with upstream :)
[12:50] <fabbione> so it's pointless to bring in old changes
[12:51] <fabbione> well i was told that by a guy that is doing a uni research based on xen
[12:51] <cartel_> its important to get this box across because it has the most ram :p
[12:51] <tle> hi anyone, has anyone seen pitt online recently?
[12:51] <cartel_> ok if your sources are in baz can i get them anonymously?
[12:51] <fabbione> cartel_: yes you can
[12:52] <cartel_> ok fabbione, thx
[12:52] <fabbione> cartel_: just a sec..
[12:52] <cartel_> ill leave you alone
[12:52] <fabbione> cartel_: the archive is http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/Archives/kernel-team@ubuntu.com--2005/
[12:52] <cartel_> thanks
[12:53] <fabbione> cartel_: apt-get source linux-source-2.6.10
[12:53] <cartel_> and good night
[12:53] <fabbione> wait
[12:53] <fabbione> cd linux-source-2.6.10-2.6.10
[12:53] <fabbione> rm debian -r
[12:53] <fabbione> and baz get from there
[12:53] <fabbione> now
[12:53] <fabbione> there are several branches
[12:53] <fabbione> there is one named 2.6.10-experimental (or something like that)
[12:53] <fabbione> that has the preliminary xen support
[12:53] <fabbione> you can start from there
[12:53] <cartel_> ok thanks
[12:54] <cartel_> and ill read your changelog
[12:54] <tle> sigh, if anyone see pitt online, please buzz me, thx much in advance
[12:54] <fabbione> tle: he is in holidays
[12:55] <tle> fabbione: oh, thx for that info
[12:55] <cartel_> gnight all
[12:55] <cartel_> fabbione ill bbl with results
[12:57] <tle> damm annoyed #5917, for somehow I got into this bug since I change to new mainboard that uses i810, pitt may know about this. Fabbione, can u look over and give me some advice, I can't do the coding in a screen with 640x480
[12:57] <fabbione> tle: -> #ubuntu please...
[12:57] <fabbione> this is chan is more like:
[12:57] <tle> opps, sorry, my apology
[12:57] <fabbione> hey i have a patch to fix bug #5917
[12:57] <tle> oh...
[12:57] <tle> really?
[12:57] <tle> let me check
[12:58] <fabbione> no
[12:58] <fabbione> i mean
[12:58] <fabbione> this is chan is more like: "hey i have a patch to fix bug #5917"
[12:58] <tle> lol
[12:58] <tle> I am trying to fix this annyoing bug 2, need to work out the reason 1st
[12:59] <d3vic3> automake sux 
[12:59] <d3vic3> :/ 
[12:59] <cartman> d3vic3: welcome aboard
[01:00] <d3vic3> O.o 
[01:00] <d3vic3> what a good alternative to automake/autoconf ? 
[01:00] <Treenaks> d3vic3: uh.. there is an alternative?
[01:00] <tle> ...automake..best? (I use it all time)
[01:02] <d3vic3> s/what/whats/ 
[01:02] <d3vic3> Treenaks, that was suppose to be a question :-| 
[01:17] <tle> gcc-4.0 is going crazy, I no longer compile HelloWolrd.cpp
[01:17] <Treenaks> tle: what's the error?
[01:18] <tle> /tmp/ccbS7YSG.o(.text+0x25): In function `main':
[01:18] <tle> : undefined reference to `std::cout'
[01:18] <tle> /tmp/ccbS7YSG.o(.text+0x2a): In function `main':
[01:18] <tle> : undefined reference to `std::basic_ostream<char, std::char_traits<char> >& std::operator<< <std::char_traits<char> >(std::basic_ostream<char, std::char_traits<char> >&, char const*)'
[01:18] <tle> /tmp/ccbS7YSG.o(.text+0x47): In function `__tcf_0':
[01:18] <tle> : undefined reference to `std::ios_base::Init::~Init()'
[01:18] <tle> /tmp/ccbS7YSG.o(.text+0x74): In function `__static_initialization_and_destruction_0(int, int)':
[01:18] <tle> : undefined reference to `std::ios_base::Init::Init()'
[01:18] <tle> /tmp/ccbS7YSG.o(.eh_frame+0x11): undefined reference to `__gxx_personality_v0'
[01:18] <tle> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
[01:18] <tle> this
[01:18] <tle> no idea y
[01:18] <tle> 1st time I compile, it's OK
[01:18] <tle> 2nd time compile, it produced this mess
[01:19] <tle> HelloWorld.cpp code:
[01:19] <Treenaks> tle: NO
[01:19] <Treenaks> don't paste
[01:19] <Treenaks> tle: use pastebin.com or something
[01:19] <tle> okay
[01:19] <tle> man
[01:19] <tle> it's only 3 lines
[01:19] <tle> #include <iostream>
[01:19] <tle> using namespace std;
[01:19] <tle> int main()
[01:19] <tle> {
[01:19] <tle> 	cout << "Hello World!";
[01:19] <tle> 	return 0;
[01:19] <tle> }
[01:20] <tle> any idea?
[01:20] <Treenaks> no clue
[01:21] <tle> thx anyway
[01:32] <stuNNed> i know i should ask this in #ubuntu but how do i restore my dhcp client to it's original ubuntu state?  i fubar-ed it, sorry for offtopic but losing connect fast
[01:35] <jbailey> cartman: No, no word on that bug yet - I haven't even looked at it.
[01:35] <cartman> jbailey: ok let me know if I can help (extra info etc)
[01:35] <jbailey> cartman: I dislike doing glibc bugs just for locale updates since it takes so long to build.
[01:35] <astharot-> but, where's pitti?
[01:35] <cartman> jbailey: it blocks j2sdk installation here :|
[01:35] <jbailey> Nah, it's pretty clear.
[01:35] <jbailey> cartman: Eh? How?
[01:36] <Keybuk> stuNNed: dpkg --force-confnew --force-confmiss -i /var/cache/apt/archives/dhcp3-client_*.deb
[01:36] <cartman> jbailey: it depens on locales pack, dunno why
[01:36] <cartman> jbailey: so it says "locales not configured" and bail out
[01:36] <stuNNed> Keybuk: really appreciate it man thanks alot, let's see :)
[01:37] <stuNNed> Keybuk: doubt anyone in #ubuntu would know that one ;)
[01:38] <stuNNed> Keybuk: may i /query you for two ques?
[01:38] <Keybuk> sure
[01:39] <cartman> jbailey: can I bribe you with cheesy poofs or something? :)
[01:40] <jbailey> cartman: Unlikely.  I'm a vegan - and immitation cheese just tastes nasty.
[01:41] <cartman> jbailey: damned :)
[01:41] <jbailey> cartman: I'll probably aim for a glibc upload tomorrow or Wednesday.
[01:41] <cartman> jbailey: cool, thanks
[01:41] <jbailey> cartman: There've been surprisingly few bugs on glibc so it really is better to batch them up.
[01:41] <cartman> jbailey: I also reported a new libc6 bug assigned to you
[01:41] <jordi> jbailey: how easy is to add new locales in ubuntu?
[01:41] <cartman> but its possibly invalid
[01:41] <jordi> easier than Debian? :)
[01:42] <jbailey> jordi: Errmmm....
[01:42] <cartman> jbailey: ldd on  a i386 binary fails
[01:43] <jbailey> cartman: Works me for.
[01:43] <fabbione> hey jbailey 
[01:43] <jbailey> BAH
[01:43] <jbailey> English grammar.
[01:43] <jbailey> cartman: Works for me.
[01:43] <cartman> lemme get the bug #
[01:43] <cartman> jbailey: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=9879
[01:43] <cartman> maybe I need some extra libs?
[01:44] <jbailey> jordi: I *really* hate adding locales that arne't approved by upstream.  The problem is that most of the time they don't get accepted, and then we have a local mod that never works its way upstream.
[01:44] <cartman> Drepper is such a cool guy heh ;)
[01:44] <jbailey> jordi: If I had a better set of criteria from upstream on getting them in it would be easier, but it really seems based on the side of bed drepper got out of in the morning.
[01:44] <jbailey> Heya Fabio!
[01:45] <cartman> jbailey: do I need some 32bit libs or something?
[01:50] <jbailey> Eh?  You said i386...
[01:51] <jbailey> Oh, I see.
[01:51] <jbailey> Umm.  I don't actually know how the biarch setup for amd64 works.
[01:51] <cartman> jbailey: I am on amd64 and trying to ldd a 32bit executable
[01:56] <jbailey> cartman: ISTR that there's some sort of i386-libs package or something like that which you generally need.
[01:56] <jbailey> cartman: I don't have an amd64, though, so I don't have a good answer.
[01:56] <cartman> jbailey: I think so too, I appreciate if you can assign bug to someone with am amd64 
[01:56] <cartman> :D
[01:57] <Lathiat> ijoij
[01:57] <jbailey> Nah, that bug is probably best assigned to me - just because I don't know it doesn't mean I shouldn't learn it.
[01:58] <cartman> jbailey: ok, thanks for your help. appreciated
[01:59] <cartman> there is ia32-libs pack
[01:59] <cartman> possibly thats what I need
[02:01] <jbailey> That could be what I'm thinking of.
[02:01] <jbailey> Although.  Why are you running a firefox binary from i386 instead of the one built for Breezy?
[02:01] <cartman> jbailey: ah because it depends half of libgnome<foo>
[02:02] <jbailey> cartman: This is a bad thing?
[02:02] <cartman> I installed as "server"+compile kde cvs . its pretty good
[02:02] <cartman> jbailey: not for gnome users nope
[02:02] <cartman> its a good thing for them
[02:02] <thom> yeah, there's a bug filed about that
[02:02] <thom> on my TODO list
[02:02] <jbailey> Heya thom.
[02:02] <thom> hey
[02:03] <cartman> I didn't file a bug because Gnome is default desktop environment
[02:03] <cartman> :/
[02:03] <cartman> but it would be cool to have a barebones firefox
[02:03] <thom> so, is it just me who can't grasp the concept of "having the caps lock key be, well, caps lock is unintuitive and bad"?
[02:04] <thom> cartman: that is the idea of the firefox{,-gnome-support} split indeed
[02:04] <cartman> thom: yup
[02:04] <jordi> jbailey: I have 3 locales ready to send to drepper: ca_AD, ca_FR and ca_IT. :)
[02:05] <jbailey> Are those state-sponsored locales, or community ones?
[02:05] <jbailey> State sponsored ones usually want government standards and stuff.
[02:05] <jbailey> Community ones usually want newspapers, websites, etc. showing the customisations.
[02:06] <jbailey> (and that a community exists)
[02:06] <cartman> jbailey: yep thats it, install ia32-libs fixed it
[02:07] <jbailey> Nice.  Will you close out the bug then please?  (Unless you want to call it a documentation bug.  Dunno where you looked for the answer first, though)
[02:07] <cartman> jbailey: I will add a comment about ia32-libs and close it so next time people can check it and see :)
[02:08] <jbailey> Cool, I appreciate it.
[02:11] <cartman> brb
[02:28] <zul> hey
[02:28] <jbailey> Chuck!
[02:29] <zul> jeffarino
[02:32] <\sh> re
[02:35] <\sh> ok...question...I want to install only the server part of ubuntu..but after debootstrapping and /usr/bin/base-config new it installs me complete everything for the workstation (xorg and stuff)
[02:35] <cartman> also anyone knows when breezy will switch to g++ 4.0 hence break c++ abi?
[02:35] <\sh> how can I change this behaviour
[02:35] <\sh> cartman: after UdU
[02:35] <cartman> \sh: cool, ok
[02:36] <\sh> ah...cartman, now i know ;) mr. konversation  :)
[02:36] <Treenaks> will the new c++ api be faster? better? cooler?
[02:36] <Treenaks> or is it a minor change?
[02:36] <cartman> \sh: *g* :)
[02:36] <cartman> TerminX: all of it
[02:37] <cartman> it will have nice new bugs too ;)
[02:38] <jbailey> jordi: Thinking about it - between Rosetta and the LoCo teams there ought to be some way we can prove locales a bit better.
[02:39] <\sh> *grmpf*
[02:39] <\sh> how can I get only the needed packages for ubuntu without X ;)
[02:40] <jordi> jbailey: these are just to have French, Andorrans and Italians who want their desktop in their language, not forced to use ca_ES
[02:40] <jbailey> jordi: Makes sense, but I mean in general.
[02:41] <jbailey> I wonder if there's some way that we can use the LoCo structure to be able to say, "See, there is a French Catalan community, and it's worth the overhead of maintaining this setup ongoing"
[02:42] <jordi> In this case, the French Catlaan community would optimally be the same community as the general Catalan community
[02:43] <SlackShrike> hi
[02:43] <jbailey> what keeps them from just using 'ca' for their locale, then?
[02:45] <\sh> guys, which file i have to edit, to remove all the Xserver stuff from being installed after /usr/bin/base-config
[05:01] <shaya> wondering what's going on with evolution, seems weird
[05:20] <mvirkkil> Can you write to a unix socket on a read-only filesystem?
[05:21] <ivoks> hi
[05:22] <zAo^> lo
[05:22] <ivoks> i have one q. about CFLAGS
[05:22] <ivoks> what are they? mtune and march?
[05:22] <ivoks> 486? pentium?
[05:22] <zAo^> srry donno
[05:22] <ivoks> doh...
[05:26] <cartman> ivoks: try #ubuntu
[05:26] <ivoks> lol
[05:26] <ivoks> they said try ubuntu-devel
[05:26] <ivoks> well.. it is ubuntu-devel topic
[05:27] <cartman> mtune is tunes for cpu
[05:27] <cartman> oh well
[05:27] <ivoks> ofkors
[05:27] <ivoks> that i want to know
[05:27] <ivoks> i won't install 486 distro on pentium-m
[05:28] <cartman> ivoks: grumble
[05:28] <cartman> just get i686 glibc/kernel
[05:28] <cartman> and you will be fine
[05:29] <ivoks> hm...
[05:29] <ivoks> it has that?
[05:31] <ivoks> ok, thanx
[05:55] <mvirkkil> Let's say I've created a unix socket to /etc/foobar and then remount the partition which contains /etc as read only. Can I still write to that socket?
[06:11] <\sh> ok...my crazy adventure is done
[06:11] <\sh> gentoo replaced by ubuntu
[06:12] <\sh> remotely
[06:12] <\sh> and all my services running
[06:12] <\sh> mysql apache2 jabberd2 vsftpd bind
[06:12] <cartman> \sh: neat
[06:13] <\sh> now whats missing: some packages for new jabberd2 python transports
[06:13] <\sh> this i have to do on my own
[06:26] <mvirkkil> daniels: Are you the person who is going to be looking at usplash?
[06:57] <LinuxJones> Can someone please pop into #ubuntu there is a text spammer that needs to be kicked please (ablyss)
[06:57] <lunitik> Someone please +q ablyss in #ubuntu?
[06:57] <Treenaks> is it possible/easy/etc. to create a breezy pbuilder environment yet?
[06:59] <zyga> hello :)
[06:59] <\sh> re
[08:40] <bluefoxicy> dammit freenode.
[08:58] <Mithrandir> moo
[09:30] <alexissoft> hi
[09:38] <zul> hey Mithrandir you down under yet?
[09:38] <Mithrandir> zul: yeah.
[09:38] <zul> how is it?
[09:38] <Mithrandir> and I'm a bit jeg-lagged, so I woke up at five-ish in the morning
[09:38] <zul> nitfy
[09:38] <Mithrandir> nice and warm during the day, cold during the night.
[09:38] <Mithrandir> nice people, even though their local dialect is a bit odd. ;)
[09:39] <zul> hehe
[09:39] <Mithrandir> I arrived last morning, so I've spent most time saying hi to people so far.
[09:39] <Mithrandir> you coming?
[09:39] <zul> uh i wish...lack of money and job commitments
[09:40] <Mithrandir> ah
[09:45] <Amaranth> are the devs at udu?
[09:46] <crimsun> getting there
[09:46] <Burgundavia_> lca right now I think
[09:46] <crimsun> or already there.
[09:46] <Mithrandir> it's LCA now, yes
[09:46] <Mithrandir> but it means my head won't be totally FUBAR during the first couple of days due to being in the wrong TZ.
[09:47] <Burgundavia_> lca starts today
[09:47] <Mithrandir> LCA miniconfs started yesterday and will happen today too
[09:47] <Mithrandir> the full conf starts wednesday
[09:53] <drspin> Ever since I switched to Hoary I can't open a new X session (i.e. Applications -> System Tools -> New Login) -- I also started receiving "Cannot initialize HAL" error every time I login -- perhaps they are related. I have asked in the channel and get no response or even anyone remotely interested in pointing me in the right direction...
[10:04] <Burgundavia_> drspin, I would search the forums and bugzilla for an answer. If you don't find one, file a bug about it
[11:31] <Jeeves_> Hello all
[11:43] <zoppy> Hi
[11:44] <zoppy> is it possible to disable DMA
[11:44] <zoppy> because I haven't configure anything in hdparm.conf
[11:44] <zoppy> and I have DMA error :(
[11:45] <zoppy> all is commented in hdparm.conf
[11:45] <zoppy> when Starting Ubuntu ... in boot sequence I have to wait 2 minutes before the boot begins
[11:45] <zoppy> because DMA error
[11:45] <Jeeves_> zoppy: I think you'd have to join #ubuntu-support for that question
[11:45] <zoppy> ok
[11:49] <abelli_> hi ppl, is there any particular reason why *.node.tor have been banned?
[11:59] <\sh> yeah I have it...swap from gentoo 2005.0 to ubuntu hoary in less then 24h ;)
[12:00] <abelli_> ...banned from #ubuntu ... i forgot.