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[01:15] repost: do I have to compile libapache2-mod-php4 to get mysql support? it's configured --without-mysql.. ;) [01:16] blueyed: no [01:16] php4-mysql [01:17] bluefoxicy: hey [01:18] hi zyga [01:18] damn, according to the forums there's no easy usb stuff [01:18] not that my laptop is workin with usb anyway [01:19] schweeb, I have that package installed.. ?! [01:19] bluefoxicy: I've moved forward with malloc trickery ;] === LinuxJones [~LinuxJone@blk-222-221-81.eastlink.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:19] Even reinstalled it again, schweeb. [01:19] blueyed: then it's either not enabled, or you're doing something else wrong [01:19] try a phpinfo(): [01:19] er phpinfo(); [01:20] yep, it says "--without-mysql".. [01:20] zyga: any luck? esp. confirming that glibc does indeed manage a giant heap (apparently as many subheaps, but it's still one big memory allocation from kernel POV) [01:20] blueyed: check further down, for loaded modules [01:21] this is more a #ubuntu matter though [01:22] bluefoxicy: some, I did not read malloc implementation yet but I've made some small tests that confirm general inefficienty as well as initial malloc&friends test re-implementation effort [01:22] bluefoxicy: currently I'm stuck with LD_PRELOAD issue [01:22] bluefoxicy: I don [01:22] LD_PRELOAD=/home/shared/programming/new_allocator.so [01:22] err. [01:23] LD_PRELOAD=/home/shared/programming/new_allocator.so mem_test_hack [01:23] bluefoxicy: that works for simple tests but if seems to fail when running something as trivial as ls [01:23] bluefoxicy: I'm using dlsym (RTDL_NEXT, "...") as my test backend [01:23] then your new code may be broke :) [01:23] bluefoxicy: new code just gathers stats [01:23] ah [01:24] wow. I'm not a software RE [01:24] bluefoxicy: I've tried doing _init and __attribute__((constructor)) [01:24] I just look at the source and documentation and if I don't know then I just say fck it [01:24] and even dlsym-per-request [01:24] but that's awesome :) [01:24] fabbione: ping, awake today? [01:24] but all seem to fail on particular tests :/ [01:24] heh [01:25] bluefoxicy: RE? [01:25] bluefoxicy: He said good night earlier in another channel. [01:25] zyga: reverse engineer. [01:25] jbailey: oh damn I still need help about USB 1.1 [01:25] bluefoxicy: neither am I ;] [01:25] jbailey: though if you give me a hack to make USB2.0 ports talk to 1.1 devices without a USB 1.1 HCD driver I'll be happy [01:25] :) [01:25] jbailey: maybe you could shed some light on this? how to correctly intercept malloc & friends? (I can show what fails ATM) [01:25] zyga: you sound like it ;) [01:26] bluefoxicy: nah, RE is magic stuff - I only use vim and google ;] [01:26] bluefoxicy: No idea. I try to stay on this side of the syscall layer. =) [01:26] ohci_hcd 0000:00:02.0: USB HC TakeOver failed! <-- thus, no USB 1.1; but I get 6 2.0 ports (this laptop has 3) [01:26] zyga: What do you mean 'intercept'? [01:27] jbailey: for reference with zyga, https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=9824 :) [01:27] jbailey: get my stuff called instead of libc code, but be able to call libc malloc later [01:27] jbailey: something like: void *malloc(size_t foo) { return (void (*)(size_t))(dlsym (RTLD_NEXT, "malloc"))(foo); } [01:27] zyga: Ah, are you John Moser? [01:28] (paretheses may be wrong, sorry) [01:28] jbailey: no ;-) who is that? [01:28] jbailey: no, I'm john, zyga just liked my idea :) [01:28] bluefoxicy: Ah. =) [01:28] and I'm lazy/busy (college, job) [01:28] bluefoxicy: heh, sorry :) [01:28] and not much of a hacker ;) [01:28] jbailey: I'm just trying to learn new things every day and that seemd plausible :> [01:29] zyga: Umm, I suppose that might work if you dlopen'd yourself. [01:29] Although I don't really know how that works with weak aliases. [01:29] jbailey: the strange thing is it works on trivial code but fails on real world stuff as simple as ls [01:30] jbailey: I don't know how aliases are resolved [01:30] Ther'es a function called 'malloc_hook', I wonder what it does. [01:30] jbailey: I've been using soapbox code as a simple reference (google for: dag soapbox) [01:30] jbailey: it allocates space for Captain Hook, what do you think it does? :P [01:30] jbailey: It get's called by glibc's malloc [01:31] jbailey: that's good for stats but not to replace malloc compleatly later [01:31] zyga: I liked my answer better; Hook was a better movie than glibc [01:31] bluefoxicy: I haven't dug through the malloc code. If I knew what it was, I wouldn't have asked. [01:31] jbailey: it was a joke man :P [01:31] =) [01:31] zyga: Ah, hmm. [01:32] give me my bubbly. [01:32] bluefoxicy: stop being lazy BTW: read malloc - it's not that big [01:32] I find it interesting that malloc doesn't seem to be a weak reference to a proper function. [01:34] jbailey: reading man malloc_hook makes me correct previous statement - this *might* be use to alter malloc implementation [01:35] jbailey: but that's not what I want in the end (like: no glibc malloc for a moment, go away ;-) [01:35] What I had been thinking with the weak_alias idea was that you could just call the internal function and use symbol versioning magic to get it. [01:36] Instead, your best bet might be to see if malloc still comes seperate in gnulib and just chain to that. === milli [~milli@216.133.163.4] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Keybuk [~scott@150.203.247.9] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jk_ [~jochem@jkossen.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:40] jbailey: I'll have to re-test dlopen (LIBC_SO, RTLD_LAZY) and subsequent dlsym (...) [01:40] jbailey: I don't quite understand why they fail [01:40] jbailey: I'd love to get some stats from running real world stuff like firefox [01:41] stats on i.e. how much memory is actually allocated vs how big the heap is? [01:41] bluefoxicy: stats on alloc sizes [01:41] bluefoxicy: I'm currently evaluating possibilities :) [01:41] heh :) [01:42] Cool, good luck to you on it. [01:42] bluefoxicy: frankly I don't think I can come up with better malloc during the weekend so this may take lots of time but thanks :> [01:42] *lol* [01:43] I'd expect that to come up with a better malloc that's balanced in the most common cases and doesn't kill the corner cases will takes years of work, and probably result in several papers being published. [01:43] jbailey: I always love things auto-optimizing themselves from data gathered by previous runs [01:44] Profile-based optimisations good. [01:44] lol [01:45] okay let's get back to reality === zyga goes back to writing crappy project for tommorow classes [01:46] jbailey: side note: I dont want to re-invent malloc really, I just want it to use different memory interface so that id doesn't keep tons of unused memory [01:47] (but the possibility of doing that depends on current algo ofcourse) [01:47] zyga: I'm curious if it actually does keep the memory that it seems to. [01:47] jbailey: simple examples show that it does [01:47] jbailey: bluefoxicy has a trivial case for you on a web page somewhere [01:47] Are the tools that you're using capable of seeing small allocations, or do they just show heep size? [01:48] (which could have holes in it) [01:48] jbailey: good question [01:48] jbailey: no the tool only shows heap size [01:48] Often cases tools like top and such report really inaccurate numbers because they're based on simple measurements - so there's no accounting for memory holes, shared data segments, etc. [01:49] jbailey: at least that's what I think - top's the tool ATM [01:49] Yeah, top is generally right out to lunch. [01:49] jbailey: I've got a better test than [01:49] You have to go digging through the /proc directory, and probably get malloc debugging turned on to watch the allocations. [01:49] It's a worthwhile exercise. [01:50] s/than/then/ [01:51] how about this: alloc lots, touch lots, alloc tiny, free lots (lots = physical ram), wait, free tiny [01:51] Right, but turn on malloc debugging. [01:51] run, twice [01:51] IIRC, you can compile glibc with trace code to show you what's happening. [01:51] Or grab the version in gnulib, which should have the same algo's as glibc and tweak it a bit to produce the output you want. [01:52] jbailey: this is less work for a simple test like this [01:52] jbailey: if it confirms that memory really goes away then I cannot fix anything because it works fine [01:52] Except that you still don't have a tool that shows you what the allocations are doing. [01:52] jbailey: if memory stays then I get to hear my hard drive ;] [01:52] Remember to do it in single user mode, then. =) [01:53] jbailey: good point === zyga stops doing crappy project again [01:54] (why does every university I know teach lame stuff on their IT classes?) === doko [~doko@CPE-60-225-18-37.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:55] g'morning doko. =) [01:56] ogra: Or whoever you are... [01:58] jbailey, we are both ;) [01:59] susus, ping === ironwolf [~ironwolf@c-24-6-169-124.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:01] jdub ? === crb [~crb@hermitage.hs.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:02] "we are the collective" [02:02] jdub, i think sydney is the most beautiful city in the world ;) youre a really lucky guy to live here.... [02:03] jbailey: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/attachment.cgi?id=2134 [02:04] jbailey: so you join us on Saturday? === moyogo [~moyogo@69.156.166.86] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:05] jbailey: well it swaps out as hell [02:05] jbailey: a very rough test though [02:05] system is almos totally unusable === doko [~doko@CPE-60-225-18-37.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === daniels [~daniels@amnesiac.heapspace.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:10] jbailey: I don't know what it does yet but keeping one tiny allocated item at the end of otherwise unused heap keeps entire heap used, no holes === ironwolf [~ironwolf@c-24-6-169-124.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Keybuk [~scott@150.203.247.9] has joined #ubuntu-devel === astharot- [~isager@66.254.98.196] has joined #ubuntu-devel === astharot- is now known as astharot === calc notes the gpl'd font issue could become very nasty [02:20] calc: IMO it's non-enforcable and should just be cleaned up as we go [02:21] its non-enforcable when used in embedded situations such as pdf as well? [02:22] calc: I dunno, I'd suspect so for end-user fonts. I could see a court agreeing that fonts purchased ala-cart had more restrictive licences. [02:23] ok [02:23] I'm no legal expert, but it seems feasable. === dhonn [~dhonn@rrcs-66-27-52-190.west.biz.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:32] what's the problem with a GPL'ed font ? [02:32] JanC: the argument which fsf seems to agree with is an embedded font in a document makes said document fall under the GPL as well === moyogo [~moyogo@69.156.166.86] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:34] maybe the font author can force the PDF author to stop distributing his PDF with his GPL font === Keybuk [~scott@150.203.247.9] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:35] the document wouldn't automagical become GPL'ed... [02:36] hm, if there was a way to mark font licenses & document licenses, PDF creation programs and the like could check for compatible licenses... :) [02:38] at least, here in europe [02:41] the font is probably LGPL'ed [02:42] LGPL'ed code is safe for proprietary usage [02:44] plus the font is not source code === Keybuk [~scott@150.203.247.9] has joined #ubuntu-devel === blahrus [~blahrus@12-223-50-121.client.insightbb.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [~jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ironwolf [~ironwolf@c-24-6-169-124.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:09] <|QuaD-> wow.... just got my mailbox full with breezy changes :) [03:15] heh, looks like they ran the sync again, eh [03:16] works for me :) [03:16] I certainly don't mind merging off those === crb [~crb@hermitage.hs.net.nz] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [03:20] <|QuaD-> heeh, i haven't updated yet :) [03:20] <|QuaD-> about to === ikuyaLoqu [~ikuya@openblocks.good-day.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:23] does anyone know the Gnome 2-point-11 address? 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[03:39] infinity: Is this till for the ppc thing? [03:39] Yes. :) [03:39] My shiny new 2.6.11.7 kernel is OOpsing, so I'm blaming you. [03:40] Does the fact that our glibc ought now to work for your PHP setup not make up for some of it? [03:40] Shh. [03:40] Don't use logic on me, man. [03:41] infinity: what's the problem? === stub [~stub@203-217-40-144.perm.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:42] infinity: Ubuntu's 2.6.10 works fine for me on pegasos and on a g5. [03:43] jbailey : I could just be unlucky. I'm debugging as we speak. [03:43] jbailey : My hardware is a bit old and cranky at times. [03:46] Ah, cool. === Arrogance [~aks@CPE0050ba556e4b-CM001225423850.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:56] infinity: You're coming to UDU, right? Do I have to worry about you killing me in my sleep from your hatred? [03:57] infinity: Or are we past that point now? [03:58] jbailey : Yes, and maybe. [03:58] aren't you two sharing a room? [03:58] elmo : We are? === infinity hasn't seen a room assignment. [03:58] infinity: who knows, I'm just trolling [03:59] Oh. ;) [03:59] Punk. [03:59] *shock* [04:12] there speakup support for breezy [04:13] zul: Does that collection of words form a sentence? =) [04:14] in the lower 50 states it does [04:15] jbailey: randomly insert words from the dictionary to make up a sentence? [04:15] and certain parts of canada [04:15] Given that we haven't been assimilated yet, would you... NM. I like Andrew's suggestion. [04:15] i just ported speakup support for 2.6.12 [04:15] There... speakup DAMMIT! Support for breezy? [04:15] See? I only needed to add one word and some punctuation. =) [04:15] zul: What's that? =) [04:16] http://linux-speakup.org/ [04:16] I love gfx programming and I feel the gfx rendering slow, what source packages should I be looking at to optimize them? [04:17] zul: Ah, cool. [04:17] jbailey: so when i loose my sight i can still be witty [04:18] zul: draw a better logo before you do ;) [04:20] i dont draw i hack..:) [04:20] therefore i am [04:21] im also slightly tired so i think im going to bed.. === bytee [~byte@byte.fedora] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [04:21] Bed sounds good. =) === ironwolf [~ironwolf@c-24-6-169-124.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === blahrus_ [~blahrus@12-223-50-121.client.insightbb.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Keybuk [~scott@150.203.247.9] has joined #ubuntu-devel === goedson [~goedson@BHE054188.res-com.wayinternet.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thoreauputic [~debianarc@wolax7-177.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === magnon_ [~magnon@cD908888B.sdsl.catch.no] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thoreauputic [~debianarc@wolax7-177.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ironwolf [~ironwolf@c-24-6-169-124.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === fabbione [~fabbione@port49.ds1-van.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === astro76 [~james@astro76.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Reformed [~ben@ben.transact.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jonathaN_ [jonathan@4-16-ftth.onsnet.nu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === \sh [~sh@server3.servereyes.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:04] morning [06:05] <\sh> morning [06:05] good morning fabbione === __keybuk [~scott@150.203.247.9] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nullaresnata [~henriquem@cb-217-129-175-184.netvisao.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LeeJunFan [junfan@64-186-37-120.skycon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Burgundavia [~corey@24.68.134.11] has joined #ubuntu-devel === AndyFitz [~andy@150.203.247.9] has joined #ubuntu-devel === __keybuk [~scott@descent.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Xof [~mas01cr@158.223.59.22] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Unfrgiven [~ankur@202.76.176.94] has joined #ubuntu-devel === UbuntuGet [~gustav@gw5.web.thalamus.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === snaggen [~snaggen@c-ac7070d5.034-37-73746f12.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === `anthony [~anthony@ekorp-203-63-137-225.eoff.ekorp.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mpt [~mpt@203.86.197.132] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === raluke [~raluke@pcp0011113792pcs.elkrdg01.md.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === raluke [~raluke@pcp0011113792pcs.elkrdg01.md.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:55] elmo: please sync bzr from experimental === A_Alam [~a_alam@202.41.228.162] has joined #ubuntu-devel === da_bon_bon [~rohandhru@203.212.221.132] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:11] can someone plz explain what technology does ubuntu use that enables me to apt-get off the live cd? [08:14] keybuk : Around? === mdz_ [~mdz@150.203.247.9] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ups [~ups@203.200.160.36] has joined #ubuntu-devel === abelli [~john@11153ad646f66fd8.node.tor] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:30] why does ubuntu not shift over to 2.6.11 kernels ? [08:30] because 2.6.11 is crap [08:30] fabbione: ? crap as in ? [08:30] we are working .12 for breezt [08:30] breezy [08:30] oh, and hoary will never get kernel updates now, right, fabbione ? [08:31] da_bon_bon: it is buggy, way too much to spend time in fixing them [08:31] da_bon_bon: only security updates [08:32] fabbione: :( damn. can i install a 2.6.12 from breezy ? due to slow net, i cant completely switch to breezy... [08:32] da_bon_bon: there is no .12 in breezy yet [08:32] fabbione: when it is available ? [08:32] there will be in a couple of weeks i think [08:32] i meant, when it is available, can i get .12 in hoary ? [08:32] da_bon_bon: no [08:33] it won't work [08:33] why ? [08:33] or it might, but it might needs a lot of work for backporting [08:33] oh ok.. [08:33] because it will build using the new packages in breezy [08:33] then i will leave it alone :) maybe even compile my own kernel ;) [08:33] that changes stuff around [08:34] oh ok.. [08:34] btw, currently, how different is breezy from hoary ? [08:36] glibc 2.3.5. That's all you need to know. :) [08:36] Oh, and gcc-4.0 [08:36] So, even if everything else has stayed the same, breezy's likely hideously different/broken compared to hoary right now. :) [08:37] infinity: no new packages ? like gaim , firefox, and other "end-user" packages ? [08:37] infinity: and would u recomend, a person like me, whoze used hoary-devel , to use breezy-devel ? [08:37] Oh, other things have been updated (and continue to be updated), but those two changes are the two "uh oh, stuff's going to break" changes. [08:38] so u dont recomend mw to update hoary to breezy ATM ? [08:39] s/mw/me [08:39] I'd give it a week or three to settle a bit, but my word's hardly the final one there. :) [08:40] oh ok :) [08:40] so for now, i'll let it be :) === Danten [~danten@h13n7c1o1049.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:44] da_bon_bon, I would also wait a wait or so to settle [08:44] after UDU it should be better [08:44] oh ok [08:44] man, wish i cud attend UDU [08:46] but i dont even have a passport, let alone a visa ;) === fwiffo [~fwiffo@dhcpserver0.oersted.dtu.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === doko [~doko@CPE-60-225-18-37.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Seveas [~seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:04] one more question - how does ubuntu use grepmap to speed up hotplug ? can i implement it in other distros ? === GheRivero [~ghe@hiscpdprx01.upsa.es] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:47] what '-dev' package has the pthread lib in it === doko [~doko@CPE-60-225-18-37.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:48] res === d3vic3 [~d3vic3@dumbledore.hbd.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thoreauputic_ [7eda5fc5fa@wolax8-087.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === doko [~doko@CPE-60-225-18-37.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sivang [~sivang@box79162.elkhouse.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === eromb [~eromb@80-219-245-219.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:10] Hi all, who is MOM ? ;-) [10:10] merge-o-matic [10:10] debian sid to ubuntu auto merger === doko [~doko@CPE-60-225-18-37.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:10] Burgundavia: ah right, cool that's it's awake now [10:13] <|QuaD-> again? [10:13] <|QuaD-> what time? === doko [~doko@CPE-60-225-18-37.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jonathaN [jonathan@4-16-ftth.onsnet.nu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ironwolf [~ironwolf@c-24-6-169-124.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:20] fabbione u there? [10:21] cartel_: yes === hno73 [~Henrik@henrik.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:22] ace2001ac : pthread comes from libc. === bandini [~Arturo@nat.xsec.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ironwolf_ [~ironwolf@c-24-6-169-124.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === koke [~koke@155.210.13.152] has joined #ubuntu-devel === A_Alam [~a_alam@202.41.228.162] has joined #ubuntu-devel === infinity grumbles about ancient packages spontaneously moving to CDBS 'just cause'. [10:41] hi can anyone help me to add New Langauge Team to ubuntu [10:41] ? [10:44] in rosetta? [10:46] in live CD, i want to add Punjabi (pa_IN) === doko [~doko@CPE-60-225-18-37.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:49] A_Alam, the live cd is already seriously pressed for space [10:49] I doubt there is room for another lang pack [10:50] cartel_: it's the second time you ping me and disappear.. it's not very polite... [10:50] Burgundavia, k, but we should open langauge option for New language by some method, should we not? [10:50] A_Alam, hmm. I don't quite understand you [10:52] if space is limited, then we should not put constrain to number of language, but find some new solution for this [10:52] A_Alam, new solution? [10:52] a live dvd? ala suse? [10:52] Burgundavia: it should be possible to remove support for one language and add another [10:53] it would be nice if they built iso's on the fly, but that is very bluesky [10:53] Burgundavia: or maybe remove 2 and add 1 large one or something [10:53] where you could say, I want this lang, and it would do it === hno73 [~Henrik@henrik.gotadsl.co.uk] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [10:54] Treenaks, may be, as in Asia, we need not Euorpen langs and same for reverse [10:54] A_Alam: exactly.. [10:55] A_Alam: it's all in the language-support-* and language-pack-* files.. remove those (and install new ones) and it _SHOULD_ work === hno73 [~Henrik@henrik.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:55] yes, that is correct [10:58] gnome 2.10 supported 33 langauge, so we should target to release in all language via Add/remove able module method [10:58] A_Alam: well, that's a bit hard on a live-cd.. [11:00] but in development of Live CD, can we add option to give the choice to CD-maker (developer) about select language package to make a live CD? === rjo [~jordens@80-219-13-28.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #ubuntu-devel === herzi [~herzi@c208194.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carlos [~carlos@69.Red-80-33-181.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zwnj [~behnam@81.31.160.199] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zoppy [~zoppy@AMontsouris-152-1-18-156.w82-123.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:27] hi [11:27] is it possible to disable DMA with grub ? [11:28] zoppy: with grub???? [11:28] yep [11:28] because Ubuntu stops about 2 minutes when launching Starting Ubuntu ... [11:28] I have DMA error :( [11:29] same like this error http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24634&highlight=DMA+error [11:30] i have to disable in hdparm.conf I think [11:32] ?? === `anthony [~anthony@220-253-6-47.VIC.netspace.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:35] zoppy: these kind of errors are bad.. usually it's either the hd leaving for a better world or the mobo [11:35] it can also be the ide flat cable that is not good enough [11:35] fabbione: or the chipset is wonky [11:35] yeah [11:35] but the DMA blacklist for old chipset is pretty stable [11:37] arf [11:38] ok [11:38] I will try with another ide cable [11:38] to check === fabbione sighs at 110 lines of changelog for the new kenrnel [11:38] and 1) it is not as paranoid as i am used [11:39] 2) i am not even half way of the things that need to be done === chris38 [~bayle@192.44.60.65] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [~jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Treenaks KILLS the PGP Verificaton Service thing [12:01] it creates bad packets which make gpg complain [12:01] neat, evolution just got removed === Amaranth didn't like it much anyway :) === opi [~emil@217.153.156.1] has joined #ubuntu-devel === astharot [~isager@serifos.eecs.harvard.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:07] does a bugreport has been report on Mozilla firefox? [12:07] when upgrade to hoary ? [12:08] zoppy: what's the problem? [12:10] mozilla firefox package breaks all the system package [12:11] mozilla-firefox 1.0.2-0ubuntu5 [12:11] zoppy: did you use some kind of backported firefox? [12:11] zoppy: in warty? [12:11] nope [12:11] ok, nothing like that has been reported; please file a bug with the exact output from apt and exactly what you did [12:12] I'm trying to update mozilla firefox now [12:12] some error display but install continue [12:12] lol worky now [12:12] zoppy, are you trying to install the version of the website? [12:12] yep [12:12] with aptitude [12:12] hey thombot [12:13] when I do the dist-upgrade [12:13] mozilla firefox package failed [12:13] now it's works [12:14] if it works don't file a bug, it's very likely that it was a local problem elsewhere === nullaresnata [~henriquem@cb-217-129-175-184.netvisao.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:15] yep === Simira [~simira@80.202.210.56] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cartman [~cartman@cartman.developer.konversation] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:33] jbailey: any news about #9743 ? [12:34] yo [12:34] cartel_: please stop this ctcp thing.. it's really annoying.. what do you need?? [12:34] cartel_, fabbione is not happy with you [12:35] fabbione, sorry i heard you were doing ubuntu xen-linux-images? [12:36] i tried to build some but i couldnt work with ubuntu soruces [12:36] sources* [12:36] cartel_: yes and atm xen is no go [12:36] fabbione: can i have your rules? [12:36] fabbione: ive already done this for sarge [12:37] cartel_: xen simply doesn't work on ubuntu kernels [12:37] there are many major problems [12:37] fabbione: who is the REAL ubuntu kernel maintainer.... === Unfrgiven [~ankur@cfshbr-c17-1.atm-8-35.CoffsHarbour.dft.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:37] cartel_: me [12:37] the one that patches the filth out of it [12:37] still me [12:37] i dont get it.. why such a huge delta from debian? [12:38] cartel_: because we import more bug fixes and external drivers that debian does [12:38] why arent you keeping track of the patches? [12:39] cartel_: i do and it is all documented [12:39] where? [12:39] changelog? [12:39] changelog and source package [12:39] i tried to unpatch the sources [12:39] your own patch would not reverse [12:39] if you unpatch the source you get a plain 2.6.10 [12:39] so youd think [12:40] and yes they reverse. it's done all the time the package is built [12:40] maybe my source mirror is out of date [12:40] there were never problems as you describe [12:40] i tried for 10 hours to patch unsuccessfuly [12:40] i could not unpatch from the ubuntu-sources [12:41] why do you need to unpatch if you have already the unpatched source? [12:41] nor could i patch up from xenolinux [12:41] i could do both without any issue [12:41] so it means you are doing something wrong somewhere [12:41] what was your issue then [12:41] i don't have issues... [12:41] usb? [12:42] issue with what? [12:42] so you patch but xen just doesnt work? [12:42] cartel_: it compiles, but it doesn't boot [12:42] ok if it compiles, what is the boot error? [12:42] hang? [12:43] unable to mount root vfs? [12:43] it boots the xen.gz microkernel and as soon as it loads the real kernel, it keeps rebooting [12:43] can you give me your sources? [12:43] this is with 2.6 [12:43] i have done lots of xen builds [12:43] got a serial console? [12:43] cartel_: no i don't have a serial console handy, but i can add one. [12:43] the sources are in baz [12:43] baz... k [12:43] didnt think of that :) [12:44] i was trying people.ubuntulinux.com thinking it was the same as p.d.o :p [12:44] ill give it a try [12:44] and if i succeed ill give you a patch [12:44] :) [12:44] ok [12:45] i want to xen my workstation at work, thats ubuntu, ive xenned all my other machines [12:45] they are sarge [12:45] i have failover replicating xenohosts :p [12:45] we will reevaluate xen when 3.0 will be out [12:46] right now it is too sensitive to the hardware and the kernel [12:46] wait for my screen shot ;) === spacey [~spacey@145.33.144.137] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:46] no i don't need screenshots. i got it running here with vanilla kernels [12:46] no [12:46] the problem is integration with distro kernel [12:46] you cant build with the same rules [12:46] ? [12:46] cartel_: ????????? [12:47] cartel_: we are talking 2 different languages [12:47]