[01:20] <zul> i take it most people are on an airplane flight?
[01:21] <ajmitch> not yet
[01:21] <ajmitch> I don't fly out until saturday :)
[01:21] <zul> or most people who live in the northern hemisphere ;)
[01:21] <ajmitch> :)
[01:22] <ajmitch> some of the main developers will be at LCA already
[01:22] <ajmitch> sadly I couldn't go this year
[01:22] <zul> me either
[01:23] <ajmitch> I went to LCA in adelaide last year, it was great fun :)
[01:23] <zul> cool..
[01:45] <jbailey> ajmitch: I'm still at home. =)
[02:33] <zul> yeah well you are moving to montreal so there is something strange about you
[03:53] <darkaudit> ahoy hoy
[03:54] <crimsun> ahoy.
[03:55] <darkaudit> looking at an XFCE menu issue... lots of duplicates and a big honking list labeled 'Applications'
[03:55] <HostingGeek> lol
[03:55] <crimsun> yeah, I'm not sure what to do about that.
[03:56] <crimsun> Benny's xfdesktop changes include Xfld's menu code
[03:56] <crimsun> and the snapshot I imported wasn't 4.2.1.1, it was 4.3 cvs
[03:56] <crimsun> which means while the menu actually works, it has those duplicates.
[03:57] <darkaudit> it looks like it's taking the .desktop files from multiple locations... a lot of the entries match both the gnome copy, and the menu-xdg one
[03:58] <crimsun> I can patch the xfdesktop code to look only at gnome-menu's
[03:58] <crimsun> I want to avoid pushing _too_ many changes, though, because we're already fairly divergent from Debian
[03:59] <crimsun> experimental went straight xfce.org, whereas Jani and I went os-works.com
[03:59] <darkaudit> personally, I'd prefer the menu-xdg, 'cause it's a better populated list on my box
[03:59] <crimsun> but menu-xdg doesn't integrate as well with gnome-menu
[03:59] <crimsun> and gnome integration is one of the things I wanted to push foremost
[03:59] <darkaudit> hmm..
[04:03] <darkaudit> it's just odd that apps like kmail aren't in the main menus in GNOME or KDE, but only show up in the Debian menu after I run update-menus
[04:05] <crimsun> kmail's menu entry probably needs to be fixed then.
[04:05] <darkaudit> and I'm starting to like XFCE... just installed it this morning :)
[04:06] <darkaudit> crimsun: it's not just kmail... most of the games I installed wouldn't show up in the GNOME menu...
[04:06] <crimsun> darkaudit: those haven't been converted to use the new gnome-menu method.
[04:06] <crimsun> though it's better if they're made to use fd.o's xdg spec
[04:08] <darkaudit> is Breezy (and GNOME 2.12) going to be more fd.o-compliant?
[04:08] <crimsun> I can only hope so :)
[04:11] <ajmitch_> hi all
[04:52] <crimsun> hi ajmitch_
[04:59] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch_
[06:24] <\sh> morning Burgundavia
[06:24] <Burgundavia> salut
[06:34] <HostingGeek> m00
[06:44] <\sh> hmmm
[06:45] <\sh> switching from debian to gentoo is not the problem in a live enviroment
[06:45] <\sh> but what about switching from gentoo to ubuntu
[06:45] <\sh> in a live enviroment?
[06:47] <Treenaks> don't use gentoo in live environments ;)
[06:47] <\sh> heheh
[06:47] <\sh> it will be a test
[06:47] <\sh> i want to change my rootie from gentoo to ubuntu ;)
[06:47] <Treenaks> "Yeah, I compiled my server with -O99 -mcpu=pentium5 -march=pentium6 -funroll-loops and prelinked it!!!!!!!111oneone!!11eleven"
[06:48] <\sh> Treenaks: this is for geeks
[06:48] <\sh> -O2 -pipe -march=athlon-xp -mcpu=athlon-xp is for me enough
[06:48] <\sh> and working
[06:48] <thom> Treenaks: don't forget -pipe; that gives you big optimisations :P
[06:48] <Treenaks> thom: oh yeah
[06:49] <\sh> and -fomit-framepointer ;)
[06:49] <\sh> but no, serious
[06:49] <Treenaks> \sh: sorry, that's the image that comes to mind when I hear people say they use gentoo..
[06:49] <\sh> jabber server, webserver with a couple of webpages on etc. have to be moved
[06:50] <\sh> Treenaks: i know, I have to fight every single time against this picture
[06:50] <\sh> not all of the gentoo guys are optimizing compiler flags fetishists
[06:53] <\sh> well, i will ask on #debian ;)
[06:57] <Treenaks> \sh: I'd copy the config files and wwwroot to a newly installed debian machine
[06:57] <Treenaks> \sh: that's how I migrate from one piece of hardware to the next..
[06:58] <\sh> Treenaks: possible...any way of doing a ubuntu install remotely without sitting in the datacenter?
[06:58] <\sh> (well, there is no remote insight board :()
[06:59] <Treenaks> \sh: serial console?
[06:59] <Treenaks> \sh: otherwise debootstrap :)
[06:59] <Treenaks> anyway.. off-to-work time..
[07:00] <\sh> for me too
[07:00] <\sh> deboostrap
[07:00] <\sh> yeah..emerge debootstrap
[07:01] <\sh> there is a second hd, i could install ...mumble..yeah this will do
[07:01] <\sh> finally fun over the day :)
[07:01] <\sh> laters
[07:04] <Mithrandir> \sh: emerge debtakeover, possibly?
[07:37] <schweeb> \sh: yea, definitely look at the debtakeover howto
[07:57] <Burgundavia> people are asking about stuff that is not packaged for Ubuntu on the forums. Is there a good place for them to add their requests?
[08:05] <ajmitch> UniverseCandidates
[08:05] <ajmitch> on the wiki :)
[08:06] <Burgundavia> oops
[08:06] <schweeb> or the Debian New Maintainer's Guide :)
[08:07] <schweeb> get packagin, bishes
[08:07] <schweeb> ;)
[08:22] <\sh> re
[08:24] <\sh> anydody awake who can review/upload
[08:24] <\sh> ?
[08:30] <ajmitch> maybe..
[08:35] <\sh> malone #411 and #346
[08:35] <\sh> 411 was reviewed by herve
[08:35] <\sh> 346 has to be reviewed
[08:42] <\sh> time for a coffee
[09:48] <GheRivero> res
[01:33] <bddebian> Morning
[01:34] <encolpe> hi
[01:34] <goedson> Hi mddebian.
[01:34] <goedson> s/md/bd/ :)
[02:32] <\sh> re
[06:59] <\sh> re
[07:03] <herve> hi!
[07:09] <bddebian> Hello herve
[07:14] <\sh> hey herve
[07:14] <\sh> man I'm so ill sometimes
[07:15] <herve> \sh, I've improved my patch for dia
[07:15] <herve> I fixed the broken code instead of removing it like the gnome patch
[07:15] <\sh> herve: nice...i need someone to review and upload ;)
[07:15] <herve> and I appended that patch to the bug report
[07:15] <\sh> well...finally, I'm running now an ubuntu root server ;)
[07:16] <\sh> replaced gentoo live enviroment
[07:16] <herve> ha :)
[07:16] <herve> I can review
[07:16] <herve> but I'm looking for an uploader too
[07:16] <\sh> hehe
[07:17] <\sh> conglomerate is for review, tagtool u reviewed
[07:17] <\sh> http://ubuntu.linux-server.org/conglomerate/ ;)
[07:17] <herve> I get to it now
[07:17] <\sh> ok...I have now running apache2+mysql+php4+jabberd2+bind9
[07:18] <\sh> I'm missing some python transports and the proxy65, but this I will build by myself
[07:18] <\sh> I removed gnome
[07:18] <\sh> i removed the xserver
[07:18] <herve> yes, it's a server ;-)
[07:18] <\sh> herve: but it won't install as a server
[07:18] <\sh> that was my problem
[07:18] <\sh> deboostrap from ubuntu, installing, base-config new and I had a workstation installation
[07:19] <\sh> apt-get remove `cat /var/lib/dpkg/available|grep "Package: gnome-"|awk '{ print $2 }'` helped a lot ;)
[07:19] <\sh> and funny thing was...the server was running after the final reboot...and what I forgot? apt-get install ssh ;)
[07:19] <\sh> one reboot to much
[07:20] <\sh> one reboot to many, or to much? sp?
[07:21] <herve> hmm...
[07:22] <herve> I know what you mean but don't know how to tell it in English
[07:23] <\sh> ah...i have to create a patch of jabberd2
[07:23] <\sh> there is an error in the init.d file
[07:23] <herve> good!
[07:23] <herve> so I can use it afterwards :-p
[07:24] <\sh> well...it's easy
[07:24] <herve> you had to fix anything in conglomerate?
[07:24] <herve> or just change debian stuff?
[07:24] <\sh> no..only the desktop
[07:24] <\sh> Categorie:GNOME; == gnome only...
[07:25] <herve> ha yes
[07:25] <\sh> https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/bugs/346
[07:25] <herve> I wonder about reporting the bug upstream
[07:25] <\sh> this guy didn't mention it, so I had to use my glasball :)
[07:25] <\sh> well it's a gnome application, for a gnome package it's ok
[07:26] <herve> your bug should be pending upload :-p
[07:27] <herve> your package is ok for me
[07:27] <\sh> k ;)
[07:27] <herve> s/for/to ?
[07:27] <herve> well, it was easy to review :-)
[07:35] <\sh> ok...now we're waiting for someone to upload ,)
[07:39] <\sh> I should brew a can of coffee and I should have a refreshing shower..my day was terrible...
[07:39] <\sh> (the change to ubuntu was fun, but the rest :()
[07:39] <herve> you can go
[07:39] <herve> I'll tell our uploader your package is ok
[07:40] <\sh> k...tagtool and conglomerate
[07:40] <\sh> btw
[07:40] <\sh> psi
[07:40] <\sh> we should check the repository of fedora
[07:41] <herve> tagtool ?
[07:41] <herve> I didn't saw it on your url
[07:41] <\sh> #411
[07:41] <\sh> u reviewed it yesterday
[07:41] <herve> ha ok
[07:41] <herve> there was a directory for conglomerate
[07:41] <\sh> http://ubuntu.linux-server.org/index1.php?path=tagtool
[07:42] <herve> well for now, my dns seems dead
[07:42] <\sh> finally, it can be that fedora patched psi
[08:06] <Burgundavia_> \sh, conglomerate has a .desktop in conglomere-common binary package
[08:07] <herve_> Burgundavia_, yes but it is misleading
[08:07] <Burgundavia_> herve, misleading?
[08:08] <herve_> category GNOME
[08:08] <\sh> Burgundavia_: the bug was: it's not displayed anywhere else then gnome
[08:08] <Burgundavia_> ahh
[08:09] <\sh> and I'm a stupid...I forgot to re-enable the most important stuff on my server
[08:09] <\sh> postfix and cyrus imapd
[08:09] <\sh> i have to hurry
[08:34] <\sh> I hope I'll get everything right...migrating cyrus imapd is not easy from one system to another
[08:46] <\sh> how can I change libdb4 to libdb3 ?,-)
[08:47] <herve> \sh, what's the problem?
[08:49] <\sh> herve: well...i had cyrus-imapd 2.2.x running and the latest version is in ubuntu 2.1
[08:49] <\sh> 2.1 is running with libdb3 and i need libdb4
[08:50] <herve> what is the name of the package?
[08:51] <\sh> cyrus21-imapd but i need cyrus22
[08:51] <\sh> http://alioth.debian.org/projects/pkg-cyrus-imapd/
[08:51] <\sh> experimental
[08:51] <herve> that's the point, I don't see it in debian
[08:51] <\sh> hehe yeah
[08:52] <\sh> its in experimental state I will try :)
[08:57] <\sh> well...the deps are all there *phew*
[09:06] <\sh> if this is working...well..
[09:19] <herve> I'm green
[09:19] <herve> (to use a French expression)
[09:19] <herve> I though dia 0.94.0-7 fixed my problem
[09:20] <herve> but the version compiled in ubuntu got the same issue in building ps files
[09:20] <herve> I guess the problem is in a build-dependency then
[10:05] <\sh> hmmm
[10:05] <\sh> how can I dertermine which package depends on X?
[10:05] <crimsun> X?
[10:06] <crimsun> as in the X Window System, or $package_X?
[10:06] <\sh> $package_X
[10:06] <crimsun> apt-cache rdepends X
[10:07] <\sh> thx
[10:07] <crimsun> np
[10:23] <herve> crimsun, will you be our uploader tonight? :-)
[10:59] <\sh> hmm
[10:59] <\sh> pop3 is running with sasl
[10:59] <\sh> but not imap
[11:12] <herve> good night!
[11:18] <\sh> yipiieh
[11:18] <\sh> my imap is running again
[11:18] <\sh> now with sasl+mysql