[12:00] <stopabuse> ooh, thx, NotANick
[12:00] <nickrud> Abood, no offence, but 'doesn't work
[12:00] <NotANick> stopabuse: no problem...I'm here to help, further the cause of ubuntu and all that
[12:00] <nickrud> ' doen't help :)
[12:00] <dantheman> it tells me i should run sudo apt-get update to fix the gpg problems
[12:00] <dantheman> i run it again, and it gives me the same thing
[12:00] <phanter> hmm my skype is ringing. I can accept calls and IM's. Everything seems to work it is just that nobody can hear me and I can hear nobody. Who has an idea to solve this
[12:00] <jnk> vordhosbn, I think what you can do is adding an udev rule to choose what /dev/xxx is created for your ipod, then using this in /etc/fstab
[12:00] <Seibol> sudo installed?
[12:00] <djm62> femv: why not use gnome-sudo dhclient eth0?
[12:00] <lsuactiafner> slappy16, : ldconfig and libncurses5-dev didnt work
[12:00] <Abood> nickrud, its running now on the lowest resolution and i tried to change it insde the gnome application, but there are no choices ?!?
[12:00] <Reblended> anyone have experience with live cd and ACPI? The boot is still halting even with noacpi or pci=noacpi /msg me if you can help
[12:00] <hyphenated> phanter: turn up the microphone volume
[12:01] <joshua__> dantheman:  Er...Hrm.  I dunno.  Lemme check my own sources.list to make sure I gave you the right information
[12:01] <lsuactiafner> private query me please since i'm studying for a test so cant follow the channel
[12:01] <slappy16> ok, im gunna find it now
[12:01] <SeamusLP> NotANick:  Thank you for helping us with the cause, comrade!
[12:01] <nickrud> ABood: ah, generic. I think I can help.
[12:01] <phanter> the mic volume is perfect. it is something else
[12:01] <djm62> femv: you'll need to type a password, which isn't ideal
[12:01] <Greek0> does anyone of you know how to get older versions of packages, that were already removed from the archive?
[12:01] <NotANick> SeamusLP: Viva la revolucion!
[12:01] <dantheman> i'm doing a gpg thing from ubuntuguide....i think that'll fix it
[12:01] <hyphenated> phanter: does it work in other programs, like sound recorder apps?
[12:01] <femv> djm62 ur right
[12:01] <jnk> vordhosbn,  then gnome-volume-manager will use what you put in /etc/fstab (with a noauto option!) when you plug in your ipod
[12:01] <joshua__> dantheman:  I did. =P ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat testing main
[12:02] <vordhosbn> jnk: thanks, ill try that
[12:02] <nickrud> do less /etc/X11/xorg.conf  , and look for the section called monitor.
[12:02] <joshua__> dantheman:  change where it sais unstable to testing, and then udpate and it should owrk
[12:02] <Seibol> hmm, I just gotta say, I have been away from the linux front for just a couple of weeks due to workload and other engagements, and I was startled to see Ubuntu to be at the top of the list on distrowatch.com.  I finally downloaded it yesterday to check it out, and I am in love!
[12:02] <dantheman> there, it works correctly now
[12:02] <djm62> femv: there are ways to do it, but they mostly compromise security
[12:02] <joshua__> dantheman: Awesome.
[12:02] <tbird> anyone had a problem with 2.6.11 kernel panicing about root=/dev/hda4 or whatever your is ?
[12:02] <femv> djm62... for example ?
[12:03] <slappy16> tbird: lilo or grub?
[12:03] <Seibol> I was a mepis guy for a while, and I do have a copy of Xandros deluxe, but Xandros doesn't feel as customizable, as Ubuntu.  Ubuntu has the "it just works" touch that Xandros has, at 100% of the cost
[12:03] <tbird> grub
[12:03] <slappy16> are you using labels?
[12:03] <djm62> femv: you could do "sudo chmod +s `which dhclient`"
[12:03] <Seibol> love it, just thought I would say that for any developers out there
[12:03] <nickrud> Abood: does it have anything saying VertRefresh?
[12:03] <tbird> slappy16, it had the same entry as my 2.6.10 kernel
[12:03] <theine> Hi, is it possible to include videos in openoffice2 presentations?
[12:03] <NotANick> anybody here know how to get ee working in ubuntu?
[12:03] <slappy16> is 2.6.10 using labels?
[12:03] <Abood> nickrud, i already did, i can find all the depth types 1 to 24 but with just 1 resolution the lowest one i dont remmber what its exactly
[12:03] <elp> hi i have the following problem... http://rafb.net/paste/results/6jLZwQ20.html .. how to get my dhcpd to run?
[12:03] <djm62> femv: it's an ugly solution, and I'm really hoping someone will jump down my throat with a better one
[12:03] <tbird> slappy16, what you mean by labels ?
[12:03] <phanter> no the other program cannot record anything, but I can hear myself via the mic and the speakers.
[12:04] <Abood> nickrud, and tried to checnge the resolution but also not working
[12:04] <NotANick> nm, got it
[12:04] <nickrud> Abood: that's not what we're looking for, we need to enter the exact horizontal and vertical refresh
[12:04] <nickrud> for your monitor.
[12:04] <slappy16> hey all, is universal equivalent to testing in debian?
[12:04] <Abood> aha from where i can change the, nickrud ?
[12:04] <torpid_zz> is helix player supposed to be able to play back realaudio sources?
[12:04] <femv> djm62 you meansudo chmod +s dhclient so that any user can go for it ?
[12:04] <Seibol> I thinki it is testing + some
[12:05] <djm62> femv: yeah...if you're the only user, that might be acceptable
[12:05] <phanter> hyphenated: no the other program cannot record anything, but I can hear myself via the mic and the speakers.
[12:05] <nickrud> Abood, exactly what monitor make and model do yo have?
[12:05] <nitin> whens beagel being released into brreezy?
[12:05] <Seibol> btw, nice handle slappy
[12:05] <fazer> bah
[12:05] <slappy16> ty!
[12:05] <fazer> after con
[12:05] <fazer> *after configuring Ubuntu
[12:05] <Seibol> slappy was that bunny off of tiny tunes
[12:05] <fazer> you feel awesome
[12:05] <hyphenated> phanter: yet you expect skype to work, even though no other program will?
[12:06] <Abood> nickrud, Compaq S710, 30-70  ,  50-160
[12:06] <Reblended> < live CD question I really want to install Ubuntu Today, but I want to first get the live CD to work... it is still halting at an ACPI line even with noacpi typed
[12:06] <phanter> hyphenated: i just found out.
[12:06] <femv> djm62 its telling me no such file
[12:06] <hyphenated> phanter: alrighty. you know where the 'volume control' stuff is?
[12:06] <nickrud> Abood: I'm going to post a snippet of my xorg.conf on pastebin wait one
[12:06] <phanter> hyphenated: yes
[12:06] <djm62> femv: I meant literally "sudo chmod +s `which dhclient`"
[12:07] <hyphenated> phanter: there should be controls for input as well as output.
[12:07] <Abood> nickrud ok
[12:07] <Seibol> anyone know why Ubuntu doesn't come with wine, and, when u look around for wine support the unofficial starter guide suggests Crossover Office?
[12:07] <djm62> femv: the `which dhclient` will expand to become the location of dhclient
[12:07] <Kakalto> hey guys
[12:07] <Seibol> hey kakalto
[12:07] <IIIEars> If i don't need any ports open except websurfing what ports can i forward to a non existent machine?
[12:07] <Kakalto> has teh first shipment of ubuntu cd's left the warehouse yet?
[12:07] <thr1ce> ok; how tough is it to run a "bleeding edge" ubuntu?
[12:07] <tbird> http://pastebin.com/272547
[12:07] <Bazzi> Seibol maybe licensind/patent issues or something like that.
[12:07] <thr1ce> like...everything update
[12:07] <thr1ce> just changed a few repositories ?
[12:07] <tbird> thats my menu.lst
[12:07] <Seibol> thought wine was open
[12:08] <nickrud> abood: http://www.pastebin.com/272548
[12:08] <Kakalto> thr1ce: yeh, sounds about right
[12:08] <phanter> hyphenated: i know. I turned them both up and the only thing that changes is that i get crazy of sounds comming out of my pc (:)). linux knows my mic and sends the output to the speakers
[12:08] <nickrud> abood: compare that  to your xorg.conf (in /etc/X11)
[12:08] <thr1ce> Kakalto, ok; I run slackware -current, and wanted something like that pretty much
[12:08] <slappy16> tbird: you using initrd.img?
[12:08] <dockane> is there any tutorial how to speed up gnome ? since 2 weeks or so memory usage breaks the sky (192 mb ram) and my hd is working as if its going to get killed if it does not. do you recommend to change with that littel ram to icewm or anything else ?
[12:08] <slappy16> are you talking about 0 and 1?
[12:09] <tbird> slappy16, im using what Ubuntu gave by default
[12:09] <Seibol> mmm doritos
[12:09] <Kakalto> thr1ce: I don't know much about slackware, but I know if you want the newest ubuntu, update your repositories all to breezy
[12:09] <slappy16> where is your default?
[12:09] <tbird> slappy16, kernel 2.6.10-5-386 works fine
[12:09] <djm62> dockane: really that should be plenty....how many programs are you running at once?
[12:09] <tbird> slappy16, it a kernel from apt
[12:10] <tbird> well synaptic
[12:10] <femv> djm62, i closed this up.. what were u saying bout the chmod
[12:10] <thr1ce> breezy is the next release ?
[12:10] <Kakalto> yeah
[12:10] <djm62> femv: literally type "sudo chmod +s `which dhclient`"
[12:10] <nitin> guys when i switch to a console and back my whole system crashes (its probably because of FGLRX (9700 pro)) anyone know how to fix this...
[12:10] <thr1ce> ok; and does anyone have an ATI card, 8500 or newer, with 3d accel ?
[12:10] <fazer> oh sweet!
[12:10] <Kakalto> so, until october, it's unstable
[12:10] <fazer> I can make xfce look like aqua this is AWESOME
[12:10] <nitin> thr1ce, yes i do
[12:11] <Reblended> how do I turn everything off when I boot LIVE cd??? I keep halting at ACPI and I have that off too
[12:11] <djm62> femv: including the back-ticks (next to the 1 key on my keyboard)
[12:11] <thr1ce> nitin, how tough is 3d accel to set up in ubuntu ?
[12:11] <nitin> thr1ce, but i crash when switching back and fro console
[12:11] <nitin> thr1ce, what card u have?
[12:11] <GhostFreeman> what'
[12:11] <thr1ce> 9700 pro
[12:11] <NotANick> fazer: why would you want it to look like aqua?
[12:11] <cens0red> good moaning.
[12:11] <GhostFreeman> what's the command to configure xorg?
[12:11] <nitin> thr1ce, lol..same card heres the steps:
[12:11] <thr1ce> xorgconfig
[12:11] <Kakalto> cens0red: good moaning.
[12:11] <thr1ce> nitin, i've compiled from source before; just curious if it's easier in ubuntu
[12:11] <nitin> thr1ce, much easier
[12:12] <Kakalto> thr1ce: I wouldn't be surprised if the details were on the ubuntu wiki
[12:12] <femv> djm62 oki brb
[12:12] <Reblended> < wonders if my question is too noob to even warrant an answer?
[12:12] <cens0red> Kakalto g
[12:12] <cens0red> day
[12:12] <Seibol> lol
[12:12] <Seibol> moan
[12:12] <thr1ce> nitin, just curious; what do you get from glxgears ?
[12:12] <fazer> NotANick: because I like macs! :P
[12:12] <djm62> Reblended: I don't know if anyone here has experience of the livecd
[12:12] <fazer> NotANick: wait, i hope it doesn't tak emore cpu cycles =(
[12:12] <phanter> linux will not capture the sounds recorded by the microphone. It does send the recordings directly to the speakers. What could be wrong?
[12:13] <Reblended> djm62, lol ok... well, I'll keep pluggin away
[12:13] <tbird> 6519 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1303.800 FPS
[12:13] <dockane> djm62, the "daily" parallel usage of my system (laptop) contents firefox with 1-7 tabs, 1 or 2 terminals, xchat, teamspeak client (VoIP) and a file manager
[12:13] <thr1ce> on a 9700 pro ?
[12:13] <Reblended> djm62, I hope I get plenty of experience to share later with someone else. =] 
[12:13] <cens0red> phanter I went through that problem about 24 hrs ago.
[12:13] <tbird> nah a FX5200
[12:13] <cens0red> phanter what soundcard do u have? Any idea?
[12:13] <thr1ce> 7000 fps here
[12:13] <phanter> cens0red: wait i'll check
[12:13] <tbird> nice
[12:14] <thr1ce> nitin, what do you get from glxgears ?
[12:14] <thr1ce> make sure you cover the gears with the terminal, so it is hidden
[12:14] <Zugot> ndiswrapper is doing me wrong today
[12:14] <csete> Hello.  Any ATI framebuffer gurus around?
[12:14] <cens0red> < --- a mighty 9000 fps
[12:14] <tbird> isint that cheating
[12:14] <djm62> dockane: doesn't sound terrible
[12:15] <thr1ce> cens0red, with ?
[12:15] <tbird> thats like minimizing it
[12:15] <thr1ce> lol
[12:15] <thr1ce> no, covering up is accurate
[12:15] <no0tic> hi all
[12:15] <cens0red> thr1ce glxgears.
[12:15] <thr1ce> making it smaller is cheating
[12:15] <thr1ce> cens0red, LOL, what card!
[12:15] <tbird> 18265 frames in 5.0 seconds = 3653.000 FPS
[12:15] <Kakalto> has teh first shipment of ubuntu cd's left the warehouse yet?
[12:15] <cens0red> thr1ce ge4 128 meg.
[12:16] <cens0red> yeah 9000 fp5s really.
[12:16] <csete> Can anyone give me a hand getting an ATI Radeon 9250 working correctly with framebuffer?
[12:16] <Zugot> ahh... i think i deserve a cig break
[12:16] <thr1ce> nitin, are you here... ?
[12:17] <tbird> ok so im using Breezy anyone know of issues with 2.6.11 in Breezy
[12:17] <djm62> tbird: I've heard of crashes related to inotify
[12:18] <NotANick> SeamusLP: yo
[12:18] <Zugot> tbird: what issues are you having?   i'm gonna boot breezy up in vmware real quick and then put a 2.6.11 kernel on it...
[12:18] <tbird> djm62, it panics saying root= is undefined or wrong
[12:18] <thr1ce> ok; and running the pre-release...is it generally pretty stable ?
[12:18] <tbird> but the entry is exact to the 2.6.10 that works
[12:18] <tbird> well aside from the ovious version changes
[12:18] <GhostFreeman> what option in xorg would I pick for a Radeon 9800XT?
[12:18] <GhostFreeman> when it asks for memory usage
[12:19] <thr1ce> just ATI radeon
[12:19] <tbird> http://pastebin.com/272547 thats my menu.lst
[12:19] <GhostFreeman> I don't see that option, I see a list with 256k, 512k, etc
[12:19] <Seibol> memory leave blank, it will default
[12:19] <GhostFreeman> ok
[12:19] <Seibol> 256k?
[12:19] <nitin_> who was asking about fglrx ati 9700 pro?
[12:20] <Seibol> that can't be right
[12:20] <phanter> cens0red: you have an idea how to find that out (i have an ibm thinkpad t42)
[12:20] <dockane> djm62, no it does not. but those 3-5 minutes where working is impossible because of swapping or whatever is unacceptable
[12:20] <Seibol> ghostfreeman, you should look into installing ATI's proprietary drivers.  They have a pretty clear walkthrough, and they definately run better
[12:20] <Zugot> i sold my 9800XT when i switched to linux exclusively on the desktop
[12:21] <Zugot> it sucks under xorg
[12:21] <cens0red> phanter do something for me. In a terminal type "lsmod |grep snd"
[12:21] <nitin_> Zugot, yep
[12:21] <Zugot> i went back to a ti4600 from nvidia and it worked well.
[12:21] <nitin_> ati is pretty bad no matter what for linux
[12:21] <slappy16> hey all....where is libncurses4-dev in warty????
[12:21] <Zugot> plus, i don't play anymore games, so there really is no need for it
[12:21] <nickrud> Zugot: voodoo3, stable, tested :)
[12:21] <tz273> Hi! I want to masquerade a subnet over a ppp connection, but i really cant make it! I use the iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o ppp0 -j MASQUERADE command, my subnet iface is eth0, and ppp0 is over eth1. What should i do?
[12:21] <djm62> dockane: it might be right (was looking at my stats)
[12:21] <tga> smart.. all ubuntu systems more or less phone home
[12:21] <nitin_> fglrx on 9700 pro crashes when i run glxgears
[12:21] <Zugot> nickrud: hardy har har
[12:21] <slappy16> we are having a problem finding ncurses4-dev libs in warty, is it in universal?
[12:22] <dockane> djm62, i found the ubuntu-ram-howto, sounds encouragin
[12:22] <phanter> cens0red: did that. it is an AC97, do you need the rest of the output as well?
[12:22] <dockane> *mini-ram
[12:22] <Zugot> slappy16: probally because it should be ncurses5 now
[12:22] <slappy16> can someone give me a url for sources.list to get curses?
[12:22] <Zugot> er ignore me
[12:22] <slappy16> but we cant make menuconfig w/ 5
[12:22] <Zugot> ah
[12:22] <tga> are there any stats for the Ubuntu NTP server? all systems seem to be updating against it at every boot
[12:22] <cens0red> phanter do u see "emu" in there anywhere? like "snd-emu10k1" is what I'm hoping for.
[12:23] <Zugot> slappy16: hold on... i'm bringing up my breezy box right now... so i can build the kernel
[12:23] <phanter> cens0red: no there is nothing with emu in it
[12:23] <tga> cens0red: what are you looking for?
[12:23] <slappy16> Zugot: thanks very much
[12:23] <Seibol> hey, I was reading on the ubuntu site about enterprise offerings, is there acutally an enterprise desktop or an ubuntu server?
[12:23] <cens0red> tga I'm hoping he has the same sound drivers as me. Therefore the solution to his problem will be identical to the way I solved the same prob.
[12:23] <Reblended> I'm installing Ubuntu from the hoary cd and with acpi shut off it stops at line: ACPI:Subsystem revision 20050211 any ideas? please msg me
[12:24] <abood> nickrud, back dude the internet works fine
[12:24] <Kakalto> ...
[12:24] <tga> Seibol: if you don't use the universe sources you pretty much get an enterprise desktop
[12:24] <GhostFreeman> any way to check what Hz rate i'm running?
[12:24] <Seibol> reblended: what hardware u runnin it on??
[12:24] <tga> Seibol: reduced in scope but with security updates
[12:24] <Reblended> Seibol, it's a sony vaio p3 laptop
[12:24] <Reblended> Seibol, 384megs ram
[12:24] <Seibol> cool tga
[12:24] <cens0red> phanter damn. Ah well. How I solved it was to install a package called aumix-gtk. It's basically a good gui for your sound mixer. Try installing it, and boosting the "line-in" option on the panel.
[12:25] <Seibol> what about Ubuntu Server?
[12:25] <phanter> cens0red: oke i will try that
[12:25] <tga> Seibol: I remeber reading about the 'enterprise' version that's supported longer, check out the webpage
[12:25] <Seibol> Reblended: u turn off ACPI support in the bios?
[12:25] <Reblended> cens0red, LOL you're typing in white? I gotta change my background color
[12:25] <Reblended> ohh! great idea.. thx Seibol
[12:25] <Reblended> brb Seibol
[12:25] <phanter> Seibol: why an ubuntu server. For servers I would like to recommend debian
[12:25] <Seibol> or APM
[12:26] <tbird> GhostFreeman, xvidtune
[12:26] <Seibol> just was curious, Ubuntu desktop and Ubuntu Server
[12:26] <nitin_> for servers use gentoo
[12:27] <nitin_> lol
[12:27] <tga> LFS all the way
[12:27] <vordhosbn> what repository is the xorg-fglrx package on?
[12:27] <tga> universe?
[12:27] <nitin_> vordhosbn, restricted-main?
[12:27] <GhostFreeman> ok, thanks
[12:27] <tga> oh, it's restricted
[12:27] <phanter> hmm i think that debian is more stable then gentoo. but everybody his/her own oponion
[12:27] <vordhosbn> how do i enable that?
[12:27] <djm62> for servers, linspire ;)
[12:27] <nitin_> use synaptic
[12:27] <cens0red> W: Unable to locate package xorg-fglrx
[12:27] <GhostFreeman> hahaha
[12:27] <nitin_> system-administration->synaptic package manager
[12:28] <GhostFreeman> you mentioned the evil l-word in here
[12:28] <vordhosbn> nitin_: i am using synaptic, and as far as i know, restricted is already enabled
[12:28] <Seibol> debian can be a real pain in the ass to set up a server
[12:28] <nitin_> hmm
[12:28] <tga> Seibol: as opposed to?
[12:28] <Zugot> tga: rhel
[12:28] <slappy16> sarge's installer isn't half bad
[12:28] <Seibol> Windows Small Business Server 2003
[12:28] <cens0red> Seibol is ubuntu any better? (I haven't set up a server yet. One day I'll get around to it.)
[12:28] <djm62> if you're running a server, debian's ok
[12:28] <Seibol> tga
[12:28] <vordhosbn> i have the xfree-fglrx
[12:28] <green_earz> Seibol: check out the debian sarge installer.
[12:28] <Shavnir> ack, jnk peered! :O
[12:28] <tga> Zugot: what does RHEL do for a server that Debian doesn't?
[12:28] <vordhosbn> err, i have it available
[12:29] <dockane_> lost connection
[12:29] <cens0red> my website is hosted on debian, I believe.
[12:29] <Zugot> tga... uh have specific support agreements with oracle.
[12:29] <nitin_> vordhosbn, add these reps http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[12:29] <Seibol> green_earz: that really is the only debian I use
[12:29] <Zugot> have real support for "everything" included in the dist
[12:29] <djm62> and /maintaining/ that server on debian, indefinitely, for free is rather easy
[12:29] <Zugot> i can call redhat if i don't think amanda works right...
[12:29] <phanter> oke I found this very strange. I use the alsa mixer, but in gnome my volume control tells me that it is steering an oss mixer (but eventhough it works fine) ?!?!
[12:29] <tga> Zugot: nevermind the support, I was thinking about configuration tools
[12:29] <Zugot> plus redhat network satellite is just a cool ass tool
[12:29] <vordhosbn> nitin_: i already did that, but maybe ill try downloading their sources.list
[12:30] <Zugot> when you have hundreds of servers rhn-satellite is really nice
[12:30] <thr1ce> anyone know of a good CD burning utility?
[12:30] <tga> phanter: alsa-oss - ALSA OSS-compatibility application wrapper
[12:30] <cens0red> phanter u didn't try aumix-gtk? (btw, I think that's weird too.)
[12:30] <slappy16> cdroast
[12:30] <thr1ce> i suppose k3b would be tough without kde
[12:30] <slappy16> cdrecorder
[12:30] <tga> nero :)
[12:30] <phanter> cens0red: yes just installed it, but how do i run it :)
[12:30] <Zugot> apt-get can suck if you have 100s of machines updating and 100s of different configs to manage.
[12:30] <cens0red> phanter $aumix-gtk
[12:30] <djm62> thr1ce: you can use it
[12:30] <nitin_> vordhosbn, i remmeber i did not do much to get the drivers, maybe your overlooking something?
[12:30] <cens0red> phanter $aumix
[12:30] <Zugot> i just say the right tool for the job
[12:31] <Seibol> I never used xchat before, is red lettering public?
[12:31] <slappy16> Zugot: cfengine
[12:31] <tga> Zugot: ook, what's the alternative then?
[12:31] <nitin_> vordhosbn, in anycase, they suck, my system crashes when running glxgears
[12:31] <thr1ce> wow...
[12:31] <Zugot> slappy16: have you configured cfengine?
[12:31] <thr1ce> glxgears crashes the system ?
[12:31] <vordhosbn> damn
[12:31] <slappy16> ya, i used 1.x alot and briefly with 2x
[12:31] <Zugot> i'm just saying rhel isn't bad when you know how to use it...   thats all i'm saying
[12:31] <tsume_> glxgears works great for me :)
[12:31] <dedinje> I was not asked to setup  ROOT PASSWORD during installation...how do I do that now?
[12:32] <djm62> Zugot: well, you can use ssh key logins with a lot of flexibility...but dedicated tools are also good ;)
[12:32] <thr1ce> how effecient is apt-get?  will removing a package leave various files behind, or will it really do a clean job ?
[12:32] <slappy16> i just default all off and add functionality as i need it
[12:32] <tsume_> Zugot: rh allows root logins over ssh, they are evil and rh is bad
[12:32] <Seibol> rhe seems like the only mainstream solution for enterprise
[12:32] <Zugot> djm62: you aren't thinking large enough
[12:32] <tsume_> Zugot: also outdated/backported software sucks.
[12:32] <slappy16> tsume_: are you a bsd person?
[12:32] <phanter> cens0red: aumix does not change the status of my problem (sorry to tell you)
[12:32] <Zugot> tsume_: not true.   allowing root logins over ssh isn't bad if you have taken the steps to secure things
[12:32] <tsume_> slappy16: yes, and a linux person(only if the distro has updated software)
[12:32] <Zugot> tsume_: rhel is all about stability.   i'm not talking about fedora core
[12:33] <tsume_> as soon as breezy becomes somewhat stable, I'm going to use it
[12:33] <Seibol> well I guess you can go suse, but I will always have something against Novell till they dump Netware all together
[12:33] <cens0red> phanter did u try pumping up i-gain ?
[12:33] <hypno> what's the deal with gam_server? It keeps starting and not letting me unmount things
[12:33] <a_peck> :)
[12:33] <thr1ce> ok; any place I can browse what packages are in current repositories for ubuntu ?  preferably the latest and greatest ?
[12:33] <tsume_> Zugot: rh ran ruby 1.6 for the greatest while, now I bet they run 1.8.0 just because they are idiots
[12:33] <Zugot> tsume_: i think you are confused.
[12:34] <tsume_> Zugot: no.
[12:34] <AngelGabriel> Hi everyone!
[12:34] <djm62> RH make products that work
[12:34] <frank__> thr1ce, I just do searches in synaptic
[12:34] <samy> both ubuntu and suse are good distributions, i've got the two installed on my hard drive disk,  but now i only use Ubuntu
[12:34] <slappy16> djm62: RH makes pain
[12:34] <Seibol> anyone ever play with tinysofa?
[12:34] <phanter> cens0red: hey wait... there we are... I am off and running eeuh recording
[12:34] <tsume_> djm62: funny, when I used it I made programs crash all the time
[12:34] <tz273> Where can i set the commands i want to execute, when my dsl-connection is set up?
[12:34] <slappy16> RH makes my ass, itch
[12:34] <Zugot> tsume_: you don't understand.   just because you can spell linux doesn't make you qualified.   i'm talking from experience.   rhel has its place.
[12:34] <thr1ce> frank__, well, i'm not on ubuntu yet...thinking about switching from my current distro
[12:34] <Seibol> lol slappy
[12:34] <tsume_> djm62: if it can't get by me with simple bugs, its not stable
[12:34] <cens0red> phanter good. same problem. well, bad actually. There shouldn't be a problem in the first place.
[12:35] <tsume_> Zugot: actually what makes me qualified is experience.
[12:35] <Seibol> what are you using now thrlce?
[12:35] <thr1ce> slackware
[12:35] <frank__> thr1ce, http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[12:35] <Zugot> ah... this #ubuntu  we are way off topic
[12:35] <phanter> cens0red: hmm you use skype?
[12:35] <tsume_> Zugot: questioning my knowledge in such a rude manner is very negative
[12:35] <cens0red> phanter no. What is skype?
[12:35] <Zugot> tsume_: making assertions with no foundation is negative
[12:35] <slappy16> hahaha
[12:35] <Zugot> i had to speak in a language you understood
[12:35] <phanter> cens0red: never mind :) thanks anyway
[12:35] <thr1ce> Seibol, slackware
[12:35] <Seibol> slackware: now there is one I always stayed away from
[12:35] <tsume_> Zugot: I believe I talk from more experience than you, I use linux machines all day, and some of them drive me bannanas
[12:35] <slappy16> please, guys..this reminds me of reservoir dogs
[12:35] <thr1ce> Seibol, why ?
[12:35] <djm62> would everyone being forced at gunpoint to buy redhat leave, and everyone else not worry about it
[12:36] <samy> thrlce , switch on ubuntu , it's the best linux distribution i tested from my point of view ( i tested mandrake 10.1, suse 9.2 and the last Ubuntu version )
[12:36] <slappy16> Zugot: were you able to bring up that breezy box for libncurses4-dev?
[12:36] <tsume_> Zugot: speak in your own langauge like that again and I'll have to ignore you. I dislike arrogance.
[12:36] <samy> i always had problems with mandrake and suse when connecting an USB peripheric
[12:36] <Zugot> slappy16: let me check... i booted it in the background
[12:36] <closure> yo is there a gui based top?
[12:36] <slappy16> ok, sorry..i dont wanna bother you
[12:36] <closure> like for kde/gnome?
[12:36] <slappy16> grossview
[12:37] <slappy16> gkrellm
[12:37] <slappy16> osview
[12:37] <slappy16> xosview?
[12:37] <frank__> closure, applications->System tools->System monitor
[12:37] <closure> slappy16, are any of these pre installed with ubuntu?
[12:37] <tga>  kde has a system monitor thing
[12:37] <samy> gnome too
[12:37] <thr1ce> what's wrong with slackware?
[12:37] <slappy16> i dont know
[12:37] <Zugot> i wish people wouldn't get so sensitive about differen't distros
[12:37] <slappy16> gkrellm, might be
[12:37] <Zugot> they all have their merits..
[12:37] <djm62> or even OSes
[12:37] <Zugot> well most do
[12:38] <slappy16> its religion, man
[12:38] <phanter> hmm I use gnome. it has a standard mixer (the one in the taskbar). It currently uses the OSS mixer, but I would like it to use the aumix mixer. How can i change that
[12:38] <Zugot> screw religion
[12:38] <slappy16> vi vs emacs, perl vs python
[12:38] <slappy16> yep
[12:38] <Zugot> i know what the feds like..
[12:38] <slappy16> religious wars..sound familiar
[12:38] <slappy16> notice religion just gets people all huffy
[12:38] <Zugot> i know what my auditors from booz says works...
[12:38] <closure> what is getty?
[12:38] <djm62> that's the point...people are afraid of their own choices: it can't be arbitrary, it MUST mean something
[12:38] <samy> phanter go to System >>> Preferences >> multimedia system selector
[12:39] <Zugot> slappy16: now i have to install gcc...
[12:39] <Zugot> doh
[12:39] <slappy16> crap!
[12:39] <DeepMind> Is it possible to download the Ubuntu Human theme somewhere (Clearlooks version if there is one)? (I'm not using Ubuntu myself therefore my question.)
[12:39] <samy> it's easy with Synaptic
[12:39] <slappy16> is that in build-essentials?
[12:40] <samy> i think clearlooks is already installed on Ubuntu basic installation
[12:40] <Zugot> lets see
[12:41] <Zugot> slappy16: i'm installing build-essentials now
[12:41] <fix> hi
[12:41] <tsume_> CS people are too arrogant for me :)
[12:41] <AngelGabriel> I'm using Gnome Baker to burn my CD's but for some reason, I can't access network drives when I go to open files. I can see my network connections in Places, on the toolbar, but not in applications, is there anyway I can see network places in my applications?
[12:41] <DeepMind> samy: Unfortunatly I'm not using Ubuntu, great distro but not for me.
[12:41] <slappy16> ahh, thanks zugot
[12:41] <fix> somebody talk spanish??
[12:42] <Reblended> Seibol, I went in the bios and put acpi to maximum (no option to turn it off) = tried a boot and stops at ACPI:Subsystem revision 20050211
[12:42] <thr1ce> DeepMind, what are you using ?
[12:42] <tsume_> fix: no ;)
[12:42] <tsume_> fix: #ubuntu-es
[12:42] <Zugot> slappy16: hey... i just install libncurses5-devel and "make menuconfig" works just fine
[12:42] <slappy16> zugot: the guy looking for it just installed curses from source but now im questioning why this isnt in the universe branch
[12:42] <djm62> fix: ve a #ubuntu-es para ayuda todos en espanol
[12:42] <fix> thanks tsume_
[12:42] <DeepMind> thr1ce: I'm using Gentoo (no I'm not one of those optimizing nerds)
[12:43] <tsume_> fix: :)
[12:43] <thr1ce> DeepMind, what about the cocky and arrogant nerds?  :P
[12:43] <samy> DeepMind >> lol ^^
[12:43] <djm62> NOOOOOOoooo0o
[12:43] <djm62> no more distro sniping!
[12:43] <thr1ce> sorry!
[12:43] <tsume_> thr1ce: that would be 98% of all computer people
[12:43] <thr1ce> tsume_, nah, not us slackware folk :)
[12:44] <thr1ce> we're all laid back and segregated
[12:44] <DeepMind> thr1ce: Hehe...
[12:44] <Zugot> djm62: i agree
[12:44] <samy> the only thing i reproach to Ubuntu is the fact that there's no firewall installed in the basic installation
[12:44] <tsume_> thr1ce: hehe
[12:44] <thr1ce> though I am fascinated with ubuntu and thinking of testing her out
[12:44] <samy> and firestarter doesn't want to start at the startup of my computer
[12:44] <tsume_> thr1ce: well hopefully the trolls and arrogant people will stay away/leave the ubuntu community
[12:44] <slappy16> no tables?
[12:44] <frank__> samy, are you sure, mine does
[12:44] <thr1ce> tsume_, i'm only kidding; just interested in ubuntu, and thinking of switching
[12:45] <djm62> thr1ce: might not suit you coming from slack, but it's free to try anyhow
[12:45] <tsume_> I like people who know how to have a conversation, and dislike all the arrogance
[12:45] <AngelGabriel> When I access my network places, where are they mounted in the file system?
[12:45] <thr1ce> djm62, why do you say that ?
[12:45] <darkaudit> tsume_: let 'em stay in #debian where they belong :)
[12:45] <tsume_> darkaudit: now now :)
[12:45] <Zugot> tsume_: you really need to read what you type.  it seems that arrogance to you is anything you aren't ready to hear or see
[12:45] <phanter> debian people are not arrogant
[12:45] <Zugot> phanter: bullshit
[12:45] <djm62> thr1ce: because slack does things differently enough....depends what you prefer
[12:46] <tsume_> Zugot: no, arrogance would be subvertedly calling somebody stupid.
[12:46] <samy> i can only launch Firestarter by lauching it with root
[12:46] <darkaudit> phanter: #debian people are another matter entirely
[12:46] <thr1ce> djm62, doesn't seem that different...taking a break from compiling might be a change i'm willing to accept
[12:46] <phanter> i am a debian user (thats why i love ubuntu as well) and i do not thin ki am arrogant
[12:46] <thr1ce> djm62, it's just tough for me; is apt-get efficient at what it does ?
[12:46] <djm62> thr1ce: very
[12:46] <samy> yes very
[12:46] <Zugot> slappy16: you get that make menuconfig working yet?
[12:46] <tm17h> Hrmph -- I'm trying to get another locale setup so that I can launch e.g. with LANG=es_ES gedit and get gedit in Spanish (really I want to test i18n on my own app). I've done this before but can't seem to get it working. I have added es_ES.UTF8 to locales.gen and run locale-gen, but running LANG=es_ES gedit still gets me "locale not supported by C library" errors. What am I missing?
[12:46] <Rav> question but on most of my avi playbacks I have just sound and no image.. anyone that can recomment a codec or a player?
[12:46] <djm62> thr1ce: it's like the Arthur C Clarke thing..."sufficiently advanced"
[12:46] <frank__> samy,  i know but i think the port rules are respected without starting firestarter
[12:46] <slappy16> well..the guy who was asking got it working with source, which i assume is not the ubuntu way
[12:46] <tsume_> one of those people called the boss by his first name..
[12:47] <thr1ce> djm62, I mean...if I remove a package, will it remove *everything* ?
[12:47] <slappy16> zugot: did you find an efficient way?
[12:47] <tsume_> in a mean manner.."no lenny.. you're wrong!"
[12:47] <thr1ce> or leave odds and ends files around
[12:47] <jintxo> tm17h, have you done apt-get install locales to build es_ES? just a thought...
[12:47] <Zugot> slappy16: i just installed ncurses5-devel, and it works
[12:47] <cusco> does anyone uses gmailfs?
[12:47] <cusco> cusco@cusco:~$ fusermount: old style mounting not supported
[12:47] <djm62> thr1ce: it caches the packages by default, but that can be cleaned if you want
[12:47] <slappy16> really? ok, well..thank you again
[12:47] <slappy16> let me find out for sure
[12:48] <darkaudit> thr1ce: do a purge instead of a simple remove
[12:48] <thr1ce> ok...remember i've never used an apt-get system before
[12:48] <thr1ce> i know a little, but not much
[12:48] <jirwin> hello
[12:48] <thr1ce> i know if I installed ubuntu, coming from slac, I could pick it up pretty quick
[12:48] <jirwin> has anyone gotten transcode to install?
[12:49] <slappy16> thr1ce: apt-get update then apt-get upgrade then apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:49] <djm62> thr1ce: yeah...it makes sense
[12:49] <slappy16> thats it
[12:49] <slappy16> i love that
[12:49] <darkaudit> thr1ce: I usually use synaptic myself... only go to the command line when I must
[12:49] <thr1ce> hm...ok
[12:49] <silversetsun> Is there a specific channel for support?
[12:50] <danwolf> I wish someone had a clue what I could do about my HAL problem
[12:50] <jirwin> has anyone been able to get transcode to install?
[12:50] <thr1ce> and the pre-release (breezy now); that's pretty stable?  I know it's a pre-release, but...
[12:50] <tsume_> Zugot: Your definition is part right. I don't like hearing any conversation which is disrespectful
[12:50] <tm17h> jintxo: locales already installed. I'm running dpkg-reconfigure, though I believe this is just a script doing the same thing I jus tdid (editing locales.gen and running locales-gen)
[12:50] <Zugot> tsume_: i was just defending linux...
[12:50] <tsume_> Zugot: you don't have to
[12:50] <jirwin> transcode is giving me failed dependancies errors.
[12:50] <darkaudit> jirwin: where did you get transcode from? There are multiple repos with it available...
[12:50] <tsume_> Zugot: I wasn't telling you what was wrong with linux, I was telling you what was wrong with redhat
[12:50] <djm62> tsume_: no need to be so high-handed on what people should and shouldn't say
[12:51] <tsume_> djm62: only if its disrespectful, and you are the boss :)
[12:51] <jirwin> darkaudit, i have the sources file available from http://www.ubuntuguide.org
[12:51] <bc> cd '///home/bc/irclogs/freenode'
[12:51] <bc> cd '///home/bc/irclogs'
[12:51] <bc> cd '///home/bc/irclogs'
[12:51] <bc> cd '///home/bc/irclogs/freenode'
[12:51] <GUISlave> what's wrong with Redhat? RPMs?  :)
[12:51] <Zugot> tsume_: and i was saying, if you understand what their goal is, and you know how to work with it, it is functional.
[12:51] <samy> is it normal that i have been attacked 303 times on the internet as i can see in my firestarter events ?
[12:51] <tsume_> djm62: colleve kids are the worst at being arrogant, they don't realise who gives them thier paycheck ;)
[12:51] <bc> sorry!
[12:51] <djm62> tsume_: RH have a lot more money than me....so I'm slow to diss them
[12:51] <jintxo> tm17h, yeah, I think it's just a script that does the locales-gen but it's worth a try. I don't know but maybe you are missing a step that dpkg does not miss...
[12:52] <tsume_> Zugot: yes, but same with them are distros like mandrkae
[12:52] <Zugot> we spent over 100k in redhat licenses this year, they treat us very well
[12:52] <bc> had some kind of autopaste thing happening there...
[12:52] <silversetsun> Has anyone gotten their printer to work on Hoary?
[12:52] <tsume_> Zugot: they get paid much money, and yet use old software. They call it stable
[12:52] <jirwin> silversetsun, yes
[12:52] <darkaudit> jirwin: then IIRC that would be the Marillat repo... the cerkinfo repo has it as well, but has many more codec dependencies... he redid quite a few of them
[12:52] <djm62> tsume_: same goes for debian
[12:52] <djm62> would anyone here even consider installing woody for normal use?
[12:52] <samy> which printer i must buy for a perfect compatiblity with my linux distribution ?
[12:52] <jirwin> darkaudit, would you have any suggestions on how to get it installed?
[12:52] <darkaudit> silversetsun: yep... all depends on the printer
[12:52] <silversetsun> I'm having rather large issues with mine, jirwin.  The printer acts like it's receiving data, and then nothing happens.  I have the driver all set up.
[12:52] <DonL> silversetsun, my printer will not work directly from Thunderbird or Firefox
[12:53] <tm17h> jintxo: Certainly likely I'd missed a step, but I'm afraid dpkg-reconfigure doesn't fix it for me.
[12:53] <Zugot> tsume_: the old software is good.   it helps with the development cycle.   i know the software i have installed is absolutely guaranteed to work.   rhel isn't a consumer level linux
[12:53] <tsume_> Zugot: especially painful when you need the latest kernel, and its not exactly easy since they make so many changes which are needed for the OS to run. You can't always build your own kernel.
[12:53] <GUISlave> Debian will catch up now they have a new head
[12:53] <Zugot> tsume_: more times than not, they roll the patches into their kernel...
[12:53] <jirwin> silversetsun, what printer?
[12:53] <silversetsun> It's a Samsung CPL-400N.
[12:53] <dockane_> looks like debian is the distribution i need. or does anybody know how to reduce memory demand ?
[12:53] <tsume_> Zugot: yes, but for example, I've a Intel 2200BG, and I couldn't use it because the kernel changes and module were completely different between 2.6.8 and 2.6.10
[12:53] <Zugot> just because rhel 3 was running 2.4.21, didn't mean that you didn't get many benefits from 2.6.x in there
[12:54] <darkaudit> silversetsun: have you looked at linuxprinting.org?
[12:54] <Zugot> tsume_: are you talking about fedora core or rhel?   i'm only defending rhel.   fedora core is a mess
[12:54] <GUISlave> ubuntu demands too much memory?  ;/
[12:54] <silversetsun> It worked on my gentoo box.
[12:54] <tsume_> Zugot: the Intel 2200BG is the only driver which works with my card, and they don't make backports for minor versions of kernels
[12:54] <djm62> tsume_: probably BeOS isn't appropriate for you either...it doesn't mean no-one should use or defend it
[12:54] <Zugot> tsume_: i'm going to assume you are talking about fedora core...
[12:54] <NotANick> sweet, blowfish encryption for passwords
[12:54] <Zugot> not rhel
[12:54] <NotANick> much more secure
[12:54] <tsume_> Zugot: rhel, and other distros which use backported software
[12:54] <dockane_> GUISlave, 192 MB on my laptop is not what you are dreaming of with ubuntu
[12:55] <Zugot> tsume_: i just don't think you understand the need for an enterprise level linux distro.   and no debian, slackware, and even ubuntu aren't it....
[12:55] <b2s> tsume_: RHEL probably just isn't well suited for your application.  none of the servers I run have Intel wifi adapters in them ;)
[12:55] <dockane_> GUISlave, will try ubuntu on my desktop with 1 gb ram
[12:55] <djm62> NotANick: I'm not sure that passwords are the weak point in your security
[12:55] <GUISlave> I have a gig of DDR 400 and it's fast
[12:55] <tsume_> b2s: it should run anywhere ;)
[12:56] <b2s> tsume_: no, it shouldn't
[12:56] <GUISlave> In fact, it's not bad on a 700 mhz laptop with 512
[12:56] <NotANick> djm62: my install is solid as a brick now
[12:56] <Zugot> i have 1.5GB on my laptop, and i haven't swapped in a couple of days
[12:56] <tsume_> Zugot: anything can be enterprise level
[12:56] <NotANick> djm62: that was the last weakness i needed to patch
[12:56] <Zugot> tsume_: no...
[12:56] <tsume_> Zugot: debian stable is enterprise level for NASA ;)
[12:56] <JonnySlack> tsume_, well almost anything
[12:56] <GUISlave> Mepis is another story
[12:56] <djm62> NotANick: the last one you _know_ about ;)
[12:56] <Zugot> tsume_: rumors
[12:56] <tsume_> Zugot: most run debian
[12:56] <humbraro> running on 733/256 here, with multiple logins, no problem at all
[12:56] <tsume_> Zugot: no
[12:56] <Reblended> mepis, you're not liking it, GUISlave ?
[12:56] <Seibol> back
[12:56] <Seibol> I think
[12:56] <tsume_> Zugot: theres a fellow from the ruby community who uses debian and ruby together
[12:56] <slappy16> tsume_, zugot: NASA runs alittle of everything
[12:56] <GUISlave> No, it's bloated
[12:57] <Zugot> slappy16: thats my point...
[12:57] <GUISlave> KDE, that is
[12:57] <tsume_> slappy16: mostly debian however
[12:57] <slappy16> they even ran sgi linux, for christ sake
[12:57] <Reblended> ic
[12:57] <slappy16> and sgi linux was shit
[12:57] <b2s> Zugot: debian stable can be acceptable for some enterprise/industrial purposes.
[12:57] <tsume_> slappy16: unless its a specialised server(SGI etc)
[12:57] <slappy16> nope, it was x86
[12:57] <slappy16> 2u, 1200s..crappy
[12:57] <Zugot> b2s... i don't disagree.
[12:57] <tsume_> b2s: ubuntu stable can probably be used for enterprise now as well. it sure does have good devel.
[12:57] <Seibol> sgi linux has a purpose
[12:57] <slappy16> just was good as their failed attempt of NT w/ the 540's
[12:57] <Reblended> there's no ACPI setting in my bios (sony laptop) and noacpi doesn't seem to work in the install or live cd's
[12:58] <slappy16> sgi linux was redhat for crying out loud
[12:58] <Zugot> well does ubuntu have the tools to be mass deployed?
[12:58] <JonnySlack> Seibol, had... you mean 'had'.
[12:58] <danwolf> any of you guys know much about HAL problems?
[12:58] <b2s> tsume_: I actually plan to do a test ubuntu install tonight at our datacenter
[12:58] <Seibol> Reblended: what did you come up with
[12:58] <djm62> Zugot: out of interest, what's wrong with using a script and ssh keylogin to do it automatically?
[12:58] <Seibol> strike that
[12:58] <Seibol> had
[12:58] <tsume_> Zugot: no, the Open Source community does however
[12:58] <slappy16> djm62: thats how i do it
[12:58] <Reblended> Seibol, Ok.. in my bios the only mention of ACPI was in the chip speed... so I set the speed to max... no effect
[12:58] <tsume_> Zugot: GUI friendly doesn't mean enterprise level :)
[12:58] <danwolf> http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=9864
[12:58] <joshua__> sumo grappling!
[12:59] <Zugot> djm62: how are you going to use a ssh session to provision a new server?
[12:59] <djm62> Zugot: or setting a cron job in the default and maintaining your own apt-repositor to save on bandwidth
[12:59] <tsume_> Zugot: not does easy-as-in-1-min-seeing-it mean its ent level
[12:59] <Seibol> reblended, what is the vaio model number?
[12:59] <Reblended> Seibol, I'm reading up a bit on acpi, but I really don't care to use it... let the fan run full bore =p
[12:59] <Reblended> Seibol, PCG-fx190
[12:59] <Zugot> djm62: and i understand what you are getting at.   everything is possible with work.   but the question is .... does ubuntu supply those tools yet?   no they don't.
[12:59] <tsume_> b2s: I think.. ubuntu maintains a level of maturity rarely seen
[12:59] <tsume_> b2s: they listen to the community, and know what bugs are where
[01:00] <Zugot> tsume_: as does redhat
[01:00] <tsume_> b2s: which is what they need to do, instead of acting like arrogant twits like SuSE
[01:00] <GUISlave> Zugot- ubuntu hasn't been around nearly as long as redhat, and I don't think they're targeting businesses yet
[01:00] <DonL> tsume_, I too am impressed
[01:00] <Zugot> GUISlave: i agree...
[01:00] <jirwin> now when I try to install transcode it says it can't be installed because of libavcodeccvs
[01:00] <b2s> tsume_: yeah, it does seem that way.  I just wish it was as easy to rebuild packages as under redhat (rpmbuild --rebuild something.src.rpm)
[01:00] <djm62> I don't understand these things.... :-/
[01:00] <GUISlave> RPM sucks though.  I'll take apt-get over it anyday.  Ubuntu fits the bill for me
[01:00] <Zugot> b2s: actually its easier with debian...
[01:00] <Reblended> what laptops are 100% ubuntu friendly? (My sis's HP p4ht 2.3ghz seems to really like it!)
[01:01] <djm62> b2s: apt-build is one option
[01:01] <thr1ce> what kernel is breezy using ?
[01:01] <tsume_> b2s: the people at SuSE.. I was a witness.. my friend called SuSE, and he was trying to know why there was a bug, and they said it was his fault.(it was a big to where he was having trouble mounting smb on his specific setup), they fixed it in the next release :)
[01:01] <GUISlave> Besides I can still alien -i on all RPM's.
[01:01] <Zugot> Reblended: my compaq presario r3400 works farily well
[01:01] <b2s> GUISlave: RPM is perfectly fine.  probably you are just less familiar with it
[01:01] <djm62> Reblended: my hp nx9020 is working perfectly
[01:01] <darkaudit> jirwin: I'm stuck here... to many changes to my setup to use Marillat, and cerkinfo can't get one of it's dependencies :(
[01:01] <tsume_> b2s: enterprise level == b.s.
[01:01] <Reblended> thx Zugot djm62
[01:01] <darkaudit> s/too/to
[01:01] <tsume_> b2s: its up to the admin to decide what is stable
[01:02] <Zugot> tsume_: that isn't true all the time as well...
[01:02] <tsume_> rh, suse, etc.. just advertisement
[01:02] <jirwin> darkaudit, i am getting mad because I have gotten transcode to work before.
[01:02] <GUISlave> I've used RPM's in the past..
[01:02] <SeamusLP> Reblended:  I have a dell inspiron 600m, it's nice
[01:02] <Zugot> sometimes the admin has no control over what os they are using...
[01:02] <tsume_> Zugot: what you call enterprise level.. means advertisement
[01:02] <Reblended> SeamusLP, no issues?
[01:02] <Zugot> i work for the us gov't....
[01:02] <tsume_> Zugot: well sure.
[01:02] <tsume_> Zugot: hah
[01:02] <thr1ce> anyone know what kernel breezy is using right now ?
[01:02] <Seibol> Reblended:checkin out your manual, gimme a second
[01:02] <tsume_> Zugot: okay there. I know how bad it is with the government
[01:02] <Zugot> we can't bring in software, we can't get supported
[01:02] <SeamusLP> Reblended:  Well if you use an extra battery it doesn't like swapping it out for the cd-rom drive
[01:02] <Reblended> tyvm Seibol ! hangin
[01:02] <GUISlave> Zugot- are the feds purchasing linux?
[01:02] <Zugot> GUISlave: hell yeah
[01:03] <tsume_> Zugot: those people at the SS office wont upgrade those dummmy terminals :)
[01:03] <Reblended> SeamusLP, but programs run fine, etc? I'm interested in using wine (very rarely)
[01:03] <GUISlave> Good for them.  I'd rather see that then MS
[01:03] <Zugot> redhat is saying that 10% of their sales are to the government now...
[01:03] <Seibol> ohno, not RH
[01:03] <GUISlave> wow
[01:03] <NotANick> tsume_: dude, the SS is bad...they hurt people
[01:03] <SeamusLP> Reblended:  Everything runs great, I even got it to ACPI-suspend
[01:03] <Seibol> RH to the feds?
[01:03] <Seibol> lol
[01:03] <tsume_> Zugot: those poor fellows..
[01:03] <Reblended> SeamusLP,  a dream come true!
[01:03] <slappy16> and 90% goes to support
[01:03] <GUISlave> gotta go make spaghetti.  :)
[01:03] <djm62> interesting, EU govs seem to prefer SuSe
[01:04] <tsume_> djm62: suse is going to die to novell linux :)
[01:04] <SeamusLP> Reblended:  Oh, that's right, when I was using warty I had to disable the parallel port in the BIOS.  I dunno if it's true for hoary, though.
[01:04] <Seibol> yeah and china prefers commiLinux
[01:04] <Zugot> i couldn't get ubuntu on the project i wanted if i tried.   too much to loose... and with  the gov't everything needs accountabitlity
[01:04] <robertj> does evolution have a gui for setting up procmail filters?
[01:04] <tsume_> djm62: when novell took control, thier plan was novell linux ;)
[01:04] <slappy16> dont think so
[01:04] <SeamusLP> Reblended it was causing an IRQ conflict with the wireless
[01:04] <Seibol> as long as Netware dies with it
[01:04] <Zugot> robertj: no
[01:04] <djm62> well, novell are doing something right then
[01:04] <tsume_> Seibol: maybe
[01:04] <djm62> everywhere runs novell
[01:04] <Zugot> novell needs to hurry
[01:04] <slappy16> novell screwed up by selling rights to *nix
[01:04] <tsume_> djm62: they also have control of "mono on BSD" project
[01:04] <IIIEars> Can anyone recommend a firewall/gui control with more flexibility than firestarter?
[01:04] <Reblended> SeamusLP, ugg, how'd you discover this?
[01:04] <Zugot> novell desktop linux sucks
[01:04] <tsume_> Zugot: I tried it some.. wasn't very impressed
[01:05] <slappy16> IIIEars, does it have to have a gui?  i like shorewall
[01:05] <SeamusLP> Reblended:  the ubuntu laptop database pointed it out to me.  Very useful that wiki is.
[01:05] <Rav> any way to find out what the current driver revision is of a loaded driver?
[01:05] <robertj> Zugot: do you know of any client that does?
[01:05] <Rav> Seems my device manager is less than helpful
[01:05] <tsume_> Zugot: ubuntu actually is best IMO. it doesn't have the crud of other distros
[01:05] <djm62> well, if they weren't doing mono on BSD, who would
[01:05] <IIIEars> shorewall? - hm.. - how does it work?
[01:05] <slappy16> robertj: vi
[01:05] <robertj> Zugot: I'll figure it out, but i'd prefer every time my wife adds a list...
[01:05] <slappy16> ;)
[01:05] <Zugot> now all the linux admins who work for me are free to use whatever desktop they want, and i've converted them all to ubuntu
[01:05] <IIIEars> how do you configure it?
[01:05] <tsume_> Zugot: I was in a OS search, and stopped using everything but BSD for 3 years
[01:05] <Reblended> SeamusLP, I don't remember the last time I've used my || port... never, I believe.
[01:05] <slappy16> zugot: can i work for you?
[01:05] <Reblended> SeamusLP, what vid card do you run?
[01:05] <Seibol> Reblended: do you have a wireless PCMCIA card in your vaio?
[01:05] <Zugot> slappy16: you live near dc?
[01:06] <b2s> Zugot: yes, our admins are all in the process of switching to ubuntu as well
[01:06] <djm62> BSD people have had maintainance issues
[01:06] <tsume_> Zugot: I tried all linuxes again to see if they grew up. ubuntu risen out of the ashses
[01:06] <tbird> http://www.lart.com/auk/aukfaq.html
[01:06] <slappy16> shorewall has a collection of files that are pieces of the entire firewall component
[01:06] <Reblended> Seibol, I plan to use one, but I"m eth0
[01:06] <Zugot> when i worked for advertising.com, i installed lots of bsd servers for serving adds...
[01:06] <tsume_> Zugot: I know what makes a distro good.. especially after doing the research
[01:06] <slappy16> zugot: no, i live in the left-coast
[01:06] <IIIEars> saw it in synaptic I'll google itfor more info - Thanks for the tip
[01:06] <Seibol> do you have any PCMCIA cards in your vaio?
[01:06] <Reblended> Seibol, nope
[01:06] <SeamusLP> Reblended:  Radeon 9000 on my laptop.  It runs alright, no problems out of the box.
[01:06] <tsume_> Zugot: binary packages which are updated often are a plus :)
[01:06] <tsume_> Zugot: nobody wants to build software forever :)
[01:07] <SeamusLP> Reblended:  Haven't tried gaming on it
[01:07] <Zugot> i need to get back to coding...
[01:07] <slappy16> ahem: emerge
[01:07] <nicoOo> is there a way to add entries to the "places" menu?
[01:07] <Seibol> oh then this makes it east, sell that bad boy on ebay and get another laptop
[01:07] <Zugot> tsume_: i still have a place in my heart for gentoo
[01:07] <Seibol> east = easy
[01:07] <djm62> I know what makes a distro good: doing what I want, how I want it
[01:07] <slappy16> what are you coding in, zugot?
[01:07] <tsume_> Zugot: which seens to happen when I use BSD.. I install over 4k in packages
[01:07] <Reblended> SeamusLP, great! yah, I don't have time for games, but I do wish my sony vaio would digital scale, the intel card just doesnt' cut it
[01:07] <Zugot> c++
[01:07] <djm62> the universal gold standard
[01:07] <slappy16> ahh
[01:07] <tsume_> Zugot: I've never liked gentoo
[01:07] <Reblended> Seibol, No, no pcmcia cards.
[01:07] <Zugot> slappy16: i'm porting update-notifier to kde...
[01:07] <tsume_> Zugot: optmising everying != good
[01:07] <Reblended> Seibol, but I do have to slots
[01:07] <Reblended> *two
[01:08] <slappy16> no kidding? are you a contributor or on the devel team?
[01:08] <tsume_> Zugot: bigger footprint in some bins which degrade speed
[01:08] <Zugot> and i'm also working on making the kmail message view look more like gmail converstations
[01:08] <bluefoxicy> can grub boot usb
[01:08] <slappy16> sounds like you love kde
[01:08] <Zugot> yes i do
[01:08] <Reblended> SeamusLP, you use external kb and mouse, yes?
[01:08] <Zugot> kde has a great foundation...
[01:09] <djm62> mmmm, diversity
[01:09] <Rav> Ok let me rephrase my question.. what is the version of the Nvidia driver in 5.04 .. anyone know?
[01:09] <blueyed> do I have to compile libapache2-mod-php4 to get mysql support?
[01:09] <SeamusLP> Reblended:  Keyboard on the laptop is fine, but I do plug in a USB every once in awhile
[01:09] <slappy16> very good, very good
[01:09] <eggy> desrt
[01:09] <slappy16> alright all...take care
[01:09] <Reblended> SeamusLP, yah, I rarely use the built in kb... what resolution are you running at?
[01:10] <desrt> eggy?
[01:10] <Reblended> Seibol, let's see... second
[01:10] <eggy> sorry - was an acident
[01:10] <Zugot> i was very close to buying a usb keyboard for my laptop today.   i hate this thing
[01:10] <Reblended> Seibol, disabled
[01:11] <DonL> Rav, mine says 1.0-7174
[01:11] <Reblended> Seibol, no runtime speed
[01:11] <desrt> Zugot; might i recommend apple's pro usb keyboard.  it's extremely good
[01:11] <Reblended> Seibol, don't tell me that is it!?
[01:11] <Rav> Dont: where and how do you check that?
[01:11] <DonL> Rav, I don't know if that was from an update though
[01:11] <Rav> Hmm
[01:11] <Zugot> desrt: i'll swing to compusa or the apple store tomorrow to have a look
[01:11] <Rav> Well I am trying to find out what revision I am now stuff with
[01:11] <SeamusLP> Reblended: Unfortunately I didn't get a chance to test the higher end screens for the 600m
[01:11] <desrt> Zugot; best part is - no windows keys :)
[01:12] <djm62> lilo'd!
[01:12] <SeamusLP> Reblended:  I'm stuck with 1024 x 768
[01:12] <Rav> So where does it state what version is currently in
[01:12] <robertj> I use an Apple USB keyboard, it's okay but not great
[01:12] <dockane_> could somebody please try to reach http://www.fh-bochum.de and tell me if its work
[01:12] <Reblended> SeamusLP, test? you mean you can't just set it higher?
[01:12] <dockane_> *it works
[01:12] <robertj> definately above average though, but I miss my Microsoft Natural
[01:12] <Zugot> SeamusLP: i have a new work dell coming in next week... we ordered them with 1400x1050... 1024x768 sucks
[01:12] <Zugot> desrt: i don't mind the windows key
[01:12] <Reblended> Seibol, ty will do.. brb
[01:12] <Seibol> roberj: are you friggen serious?
[01:12] <Zugot> i have kde configured to actually use it
[01:12] <DonL> Rav, go to Synaptic and get nvidia-settings
[01:12] <desrt> Zugot; sort of a joke :)
[01:13] <robertj> Seibol: why?
[01:13] <bogus> wiiiiiiii :)
[01:13] <djm62> wow
[01:13] <Reblended> Zugot, make sure it does digital scaling. My vaio doesn't but it has a 1400x1050rez and the digital scaling sure is nice to have...
[01:13] <Zugot> smoke break time
[01:14] <pepsi> wee
[01:14] <DonL> Am I back?
[01:14] <Reblended> Zugot, that is, I wish I had digital scaling
[01:14] <SeamusLP> damn you all
[01:14] <robertj> wb
[01:14] <robertj> anyway, I do like my Natural
[01:14] <djm62> digital scaling==non-integer number of cells per pixel?#
[01:14] <Rav> Thats the one :)
[01:14] <Rav> Yeah that is the one from the update
[01:14] <Rav> Guess I restart my xorg.conf since I did not comment out dri and glcore
[01:14] <Seibol> how you u "unnotify" someone?
[01:15] <SeamusLP> time to use a better server guys :)
[01:15] <robertj> The Microsoft Natural series feels good to my hands
[01:15] <Seibol> or clear the entire notify list?
[01:15] <djm62> time to use....jabber!
[01:15] <Seibol> my wifes ass feels good on my hands
[01:15] <Seibol> lol
[01:16] <robertj> unfortunately, they don't seem to make the USB Natural anymore :(
[01:16] <SeamusLP> I think I was having a conversation with someone about some stuff.  Who was that now?
[01:17] <Seibol> Seamus: I think it was Joe
[01:17] <robertj> I really like the fact that you can get low power notifications on the Powermacs by plugging a USB keychain drive into the keyboard
[01:17] <djm62> must have been one of the hokey-cokeyers
[01:17] <Seibol> robertj: u running linux on a Mac?
[01:17] <djm62> robertj: ?
[01:17] <don-o> my laptop cdrom drive is busted. is there a ubuntu startup-disk to do a net install of hoary?
[01:17] <don-o> s/disk/floppy disk/
[01:17] <SeamusLP> Seibol:  Joe.
[01:17] <tsume_> don-o: buy a USB cdrom drive? :)
[01:18] <SeamusLP> hahaha
[01:18] <Seibol> lol
[01:18] <darkaudit> is powernowd useful, or even recommended, on a desktop machine?
[01:18] <SeamusLP> I haven't heard that since high school :P
[01:18] <djm62> is it possible to upgrade from sarge to hoary?
[01:18] <Seibol> I slapped Ubuntu on my Mac G3 yesterday
[01:18] <Seibol> but, its a damn G3 if you know what I mean
[01:18] <djm62> minimal sarge with no X
[01:19] <limer> I found some odd behavior when using a virtual console.  if I use "$" and then CAPS lock, the letter "e" is not capped
[01:19] <Seibol> I wouldn't think so djm62, not without losing something
[01:19] <limer> anyone else want to test this?
[01:19] <djm62> Seibol: losing what?
[01:19] <Seibol> like your dignity
[01:19] <Seibol> pfft
[01:20] <Seibol> lol
[01:20] <Seibol> <--funny guy
[01:20] <Seibol> I don't know I'm still considerd a nOOb
[01:20] <Seibol> mmm beer
[01:20] <robertj> Seibol, djm62: sorry for zoning out
[01:20] <beastmaster> ?
[01:20] <robertj> I dual boot Ubuntu and OS X at work
[01:20] <djm62> Seibol: in debian, you're considered a n00b until you've written a substantial part of it
[01:21] <tsume_> djm62: heh
[01:21] <Seibol> I should start, them guys take forever
[01:21] <robertj> I spend less time in Ubuntu because I can't figure out how to do dual head with the nv driver
[01:21] <tsume_> djm62: yep
[01:21] <SeamusLP> Seibol You could have an Apple II, mac zealots would bid it up to $500 on ebay.
[01:21] <djm62> one of the distasteful things about them
[01:21] <Seibol> Apple 2?
[01:21] <Seibol> oh yeah
[01:21] <robertj> Saemus: it's absolutely retarded, Silver-towe G4's go for $800!
[01:21] <DonL> Anybody want an old Atari?
[01:21] <Seibol> G3 300 (non beige)
[01:21] <Seibol> poop
[01:21] <Seibol> I had an old atari
[01:21] <AngelGabriel> robertj, How did you manage to dual boot OSX and ubuntu?
[01:21] <Seibol> cartridges and hooked it up to the TV
[01:22] <DonL> This one's a Mega 4 STE
[01:22] <Seibol> use uhh
[01:22] <SeamusLP> robertj:  Yeah you can't get a deal on a mac on ebay
[01:22] <Seibol> whats that boot loader
[01:22] <Seibol> yaboot
[01:22] <DonL> Seibol, Just imagine. 4 megs of ram
[01:22] <djm62> robertj: what's this about the low-power-notification?
[01:22] <SeamusLP> robertj:  People will bid used g5s to within $200 of the retail price
[01:23] <Seibol> I have G3 300Mhz 320MB ram
[01:23] <robertj> djm: some USB keychains "draw too much power" from the front port of the G4s.
[01:23] <djm62> ah right...
[01:23] <robertj> If I recall correctly, it still works fine but it's annoying to my users
[01:23] <joshua__> hahaha.  chmod u+w /* instead of chmod u+w ./*
[01:23] <robertj> Seibol: those machines were good
[01:24] <SeamusLP> tsume_:  As an african american I take offence to that.
[01:24] <Seibol> that is the same with everything Seamus
[01:24] <robertj> Seibol: The G5s are just flakey
[01:24] <Seibol> G3 = POS compared to everything else I won
[01:24] <Seibol> own not won
[01:24] <NotANick> as a white giuy trying to black I take offence at that too
[01:24] <robertj> I'm new to the Mac-world (well, 2 years now) but my co-worker has been in it professionally since System 7.
[01:24] <nickrud> are we still on the who's on the splash screen thing?
[01:24] <Seibol> as a white guy trying to be white I could give a shit
[01:25] <IIIEars> I have Ubuntu configured and running with all of my favorite apps and widgets finely tuned (grin).  How do i back up *everything* to a hard drive with dd?
[01:25] <djm62> the ubuntu people look like they should be on some sitcom
[01:25] <tsume_> SeamusLP: you haven't been to Memphis, TN.. have you? :)
[01:25] <robertj> He says none of the G4s have had anywhere near the problems the G5s have
[01:25] <Seibol> MAC is slow to PC
[01:25] <Seibol> G5 doesn't have a OS yet
[01:25] <djm62> all aspirational and wealthy :-/
[01:25] <Seibol> waiting on Tiger
[01:25] <SeamusLP> tsume_:  Didn't I just say that I'm an african american?
[01:25] <robertj> speaking of slow, I've got a dual 2.5 on the way with 2 gigs of ram and I am hoping to get a free bump if they announce new macs ;)
[01:25] <tsume_> most of the black culture unfortunately has been infected by violence
[01:26] <Seibol> tsume_ yeah you dick beater
[01:26] <nickrud> ignore tsume_
[01:26] <tsume_> though, the only decent acting african americans are about 30-40
[01:26] <DonL> A friend of mine who's into video and tv just bought the most expensive mac set up I've ever seen. Cost a fortune
[01:26] <tsume_> years old
[01:26] <djm62> SeamusLP: best leave it to the experts, eh ;)
[01:26] <Seibol> damn skippy
[01:26] <robertj> heya guys, I've been to some pretty rough spots, they just have flaws that are easier to see
[01:26] <tsume_> oh wait.. all my friends who are black been through army training..
[01:27] <IIIEars> (sigh) it isn't easy being a new Ubuntu user. - Thanks guys. :)
[01:27] <Seibol> what's your problem tsume_ bro
[01:27] <tsume_> Seibol: kids
[01:27] <robertj> Let's just cool it
[01:27] <Seibol> you do not understand Ubuntu
[01:27] <Seibol> u must be from the darkside of Ubuntu
[01:27] <SeamusLP> djm62:   ;)
[01:28] <tsume_> Seibol: I don't make peace with people like in Memphis TN
[01:28] <robertj> From what I read, most African's don't understand Ubuntu
[01:28] <NotANick> tsume_: http://www.tshirthell.com/shirts/products/a419/a419.gif
[01:28] <Seibol> whatever man, I just like the fact that ubuntu kicks ass
[01:28] <djm62> all my friends who are black went to cambridge university...helps not to generalise
[01:28] <Seibol> where was ubuntu originated?
[01:29] <humbraro> NotANick, thats funny as fuck
[01:29] <NotANick> SeamusLP: http://www.tshirthell.com/shirts/products/a332/a332.gif
[01:29] <robertj> Seibol: BIshop Desmon Tutu (or whatever the spelling)
[01:29] <HrdwrBoB> I don't have any friends who are black
[01:29] <djm62> in fact, far too many of my friends went to that damn den of vice
[01:29] <Seibol> hell, I don't have any friends
[01:29] <Seibol> how bout them grapes
[01:29] <tsume_> Seibol: story from memphis couple months ago.. also other black(because memphis is 88% black). Woman goes to her car from conference.. black guy jumps behind her, throws her in trunk... drives 2 miles, rapes her. drives back top convention center where her reserved parking spot is.. when to front desk "Shes in the trunk" walks out
[01:29] <thread> Anyone have experience with wireless? I installed netapplet, I select the network I want to get onto, and ifconfig shows my eth0 with an inet6 addr .. it never seems to get the proper ip from the wireless router
[01:30] <nickrud> how does ignore work? (new to irc)
[01:30] <tsume_> Seibol: memphis is a really bad area
[01:30] <Seibol> memphis like Gary, IN?
[01:30] <djm62> yeah...that happens in bad areas all over
[01:30] <robertj> nickrud: in xchat right click their name and use the ignore menu
[01:30] <DonL> thread, sorry. I'm wired
[01:30] <nickrud> robertj: thanks
[01:30] <thread> DonL: thanks for answering
[01:30] <tsume_> djm62: it happens in memphis often 8)
[01:30] <DonL> np
[01:30] <djm62> north of england over here, or indeed the east end of glasgow
[01:30] <hypno> does anyone know of a way to get xine to play sound via esd?
[01:31] <tsume_> djm62: I just seen a paper which made its way from memphis to knoxville somehow
[01:31] <jirwin> hello
[01:31] <robertj> tsume: so? What guys rape and kill to. My dad's dad is a murderer but you don't see me raging on white guys
[01:31] <robertj> err White guys rape and kill too.
[01:31] <jirwin> would anyone have any idea why I try to install Hoary it hangs at the same spot everytime...but the live cd works great?
[01:31] <robertj> jirwin: bad disk?
[01:31] <tsume_> robertj: well.. it kind of says something in bill Cosby tells specifically... "his people"(his words) to "stop being lazy"
[01:31] <jirwin> robertj, i have tried 2 different disks.
[01:32] <djm62> wee guy in my sister's class stabbed to death last week
[01:32] <robertj> tsume: it says some black people are lazy.
[01:32] <DonL> jirwin, sometimes that means a glitch on the cd
[01:32] <robertj> tsume: lots of white guys are too
[01:32] <thechitowncubs> I wonder how many people will be using ubuntu when breezy comes out
[01:32] <tsume_> robertj: its not all he said :)
[01:32] <AngelGabriel> I'm a black guy, living in central london. And my view of the world may be slighty diffrent to that idiot tsume_ , but please someone correct me if I'm wrong, doesn't every culture worldwide, black, white, green, yellow, suffer from crime, violent crime, corruption, and basically all things negative?
[01:32] <jirwin> DonL, so re burn?
[01:32] <tsume_> robertj: coming from him.. it means something
[01:32] <mainer> jirwin: boot options like framebuffer,network ,etc,check F1 for options
[01:32] <djm62> poverty is the thing
[01:32] <DonL> I would, jirwin
[01:33] <djm62> give people nothing else to do, and violence will ensue
[01:33] <Zugot> damn... i'm a black guy living in the US...   i just don't think folks get it..
[01:33] <nickrud> djm62: ack, and we please drop this?
[01:33] <DonL> jirwin, and go slow
[01:33] <tsume_> memphis actually used to be a peaceful place 40 years ago
[01:33] <jirwin> mainer, what?
[01:33] <Seibol> how the hell did we get onto this subject
[01:33] <jirwin> DonL, meaning?
[01:33] <djm62> nickrud: yeah...
[01:33] <DonL> burn at a slow speed
[01:33] <nomasteryoda> #ubuntu-offtopic
[01:33] <jirwin> DonL, ok
[01:33] <rrfs1> hello, i have a problem with the file .ICEauthority , every time that i have to enter on ubuntu i have to delete that file. somebody know how to do?
[01:33] <suifur> What kind of luck have people had going from Warty to Hoary in just an upgrade?
[01:33] <robertj> AngelGabriel: yeah, black in America is just different than black in London though. Blacks in London act "white", which is honestly what we want from everybody. We really don't want them to act "white," just civil.
[01:33] <Seibol> first of all I think everyone that is offended, needs to get over it, there are ppl out that out there, always have, and always will be
[01:33] <tsume_> the itallians, portugueuse, few americans, and the.. greeks?
[01:34] <robertj> And you have black friends but "They don
[01:34] <robertj> And you have black friends but "They don't act black"
[01:34] <hypno> lol 'act white'
[01:34] <Zugot> yeah lol
[01:34] <DonL> suifur, none until I read everything I could in the forums
[01:34] <tsume_> robertj: I don't think so :P
[01:34] <Reblended> djm62 me 2
[01:34] <hypno> i wonder what a person 'acting black' behaves like
[01:34] <Seibol> second, tsume_ dude, settle down, there are plenty of other things you can be pissed off about,  like circus midgets
[01:34] <suifur> think i'll just save the home partition and write over root lol
[01:34] <tsume_> robertj: I ever see a black person act white.. I'll cry.. that would be sad.
[01:34] <MikeA> why do I get this on starting bash?
[01:34] <MikeA> -bash: id: command not found
[01:34] <MikeA> -bash: [: : integer expression expected
[01:34] <robertj> hypno: that's the truth. "white" is normal, but there really isn't a postiive culture that is associated with blacks
[01:34] <AngelGabriel> robertj, Blacks in LONDON DO NOT ACT WHITE, I CAN TELL YOU THAT FOR FREE. And please, ERASE THAT FROM YOUR MIND - If you EVER said that in London, I really, REALLY doubt, you'd see another sunset.
[01:34] <nickrud> abood, you looking for me?
[01:34] <Reblended> djm62, I just want someone who knows how to get this sony laptop to boot!
[01:35] <propagandhi> is anyone using the firefox google homepage
[01:35] <robertj> Angel: I've been to London, it's what we would pass off as acting white
[01:35] <hypno> you mean like acting, say, korean?
[01:35] <Reblended> Seibol, not yet! tell me if I should give up =] 
[01:35] <hypno> or do koreans act white
[01:35] <djm62> AngelGabriel: they say you can't tell scottish from english accents either...it's a distance thing
[01:35] <DonL> propagandhi, haven't seen that yet
[01:35] <tsume_> All I said was I disliked seeing what looks like a driggie kid with the picture on the frontpage
[01:35] <rrfs1>  hello, i have a problem with the file .ICEauthority , every time that i have to enter on ubuntu i have to delete that file. somebody know how to do?
[01:35] <propagandhi> if anyone is using it, i just wanted the url
[01:35] <nickrud> djm62, smartest thing I've read on this subject !!!
[01:35] <tsume_> I'd rather see a decent black kid which looks like he knows how to act.
[01:36] <AngelGabriel> robertj, I LIVE in london - I interact with london folk every day, and OH MY GOSH, who told you that, even DEAF people can distiguish between a london accent and a scottish accent!
[01:36] <HrdwrBoB> djm62: you can't? pfff
[01:36] <hypno> robertj, poor, stupid and scared people act the same no matter their colour
[01:36] <Reblended> Seibol, yes... and the install boot disc stops at that acpi line.. but I have it Off! (I think)
[01:36] <HrdwrBoB> I'm an .au ian
[01:36] <HrdwrBoB> and I can tell
[01:36] <HrdwrBoB> hell most of the time I can give you region
[01:36] <propagandhi> rrfs1: do mv /home/username/.kde /home/username/.kde-old
[01:36] <Reblended> HrdwrBoB, I'm a .com ian
[01:36] <joshua__> Interesting discussion for an Ubuntu related irc channel. lmao
[01:36] <Reblended> US owns all the .com
[01:36] <SeamusLP> Must...filter....bullshit...find..real....questions
[01:36] <AngelGabriel> ACTUALLY - How did we get into this RACE thingy ... I just want to talk about Ubuntu
[01:36] <tsume_> I used to work at a boys club, and I can say half of the black kids looked like thjey were going somewhere. the ones who knew how to dress and do thier hair acted correctly
[01:36] <propagandhi> rrfs1: do it in a failsafe terminal or such
[01:37] <rrfs1> propagandhi i use
[01:37] <robertj> Angel: I know there are differences but I am saying that London blacks would be considered "acting white."
[01:37] <superfrog> hi is anybody interested to help me to awake my sleeping ati 9500 pro ?
[01:37] <rrfs1> gnome
[01:37] <djm62> HrdwrBoB: I'm scottish....I _notice_ when people get it wrong...and it does happen...think .au vs .nz
[01:37] <tsume_> the kids which didn't look like they were going somewhere looked like the black kid on the frontpage
[01:37] <djm62> HrdwrBoB: feesh and cheeps ;)
[01:37] <Reblended> Seibol, not too many options in the bios...
[01:37] <joshua__> What is ubuntu-desktop?
[01:37] <joshua__> I accidently uninstalled it along with totem?
[01:37] <DonL> djm62, I'm guilty of that
[01:37] <rrfs1> propagandhi i use gnome
[01:37] <SeamusLP> superfrog:  your 9500 pro is sleeping?
[01:37] <HrdwrBoB> djm62: heh au and NZ are not even close
[01:37] <NotANick> SeamusLP: How do  I get my black network card to work as good as my white network card?
[01:37] <hypno> robertj, they are not acting white, they are acting however they want. Or do you think that all black people instinctively act like gangsters?
[01:37] <propagandhi> rrfs1: okay, well then u need to move the gnome settings dir, which i dont know the name of at the moment. someone else may know the name
[01:37] <superfrog> yes the 3d stuf doesnt work
[01:38] <AngelGabriel> robertj, Okay, I respect your opinion, and naturally, you'd have a diffrent insight to the whole thing, but all i want to know really, is why?
[01:38] <HrdwrBoB> djm62: though my parents (and myself) get mistaken for beign english when overseas
[01:38] <robertj> "acting white" is it's own thing, it's not what white people do
[01:38] <djm62> HrdwrBoB: they are from over here....I'm an accent geek so I care :)
[01:38] <tsume_> robertj: heh.
[01:38] <robertj> AngelGabriel: because here there are no positive cultures that blacks can associate with really
[01:38] <tsume_> robertj: some do ;)
[01:38] <NotANick> SeamusLP: help?
[01:38] <hypno> robertj, sounds complicated
[01:38] <nickrud> joshua__ don't worry too much, it's a 'meta-package' meaning it pulls in what ubuntu thinks you need for a desktop
[01:38] <tsume_> actually a good portion does
[01:38] <superfrog> pleasse
[01:38] <SeamusLP> NotANick: ndiswrapper
[01:38] <joshua__> nickrud:  Sounds like something that'd eventually piss me off. ;)  Thanks
[01:38] <superfrog> really?
[01:38] <AngelGabriel> robertj, where is here for you?
[01:39] <nickrud> It's a good starting point :)
[01:39] <kakalto> does system shock 2 work under wine?
[01:39] <robertj> here is a university town about 2 hours from Atlanta
[01:39] <SeamusLP> superfrog:  What is wrong with your card?
[01:39] <HrdwrBoB> kakalto: yes
[01:39] <robertj> (UGA at Athens for those of you in the South)
[01:39] <kakalto> sweet
[01:39] <thechitowncubs> Hey, what is your guys favorite program?
[01:39] <thechitowncubs> J/W
[01:39] <HrdwrBoB> thechitowncubs: ls
[01:39] <Reblended> ok.. lemme see if it has anything listed Seibol  brb
[01:39] <kakalto> to install wine properly, what do I have to do?
[01:39] <djm62> thechitowncubs: emacs!
[01:39] <HrdwrBoB> kakalto: apt-get install wine
[01:39] <kakalto> I installed winetools, but it says wine wasn't installed properlu
[01:39] <kakalto> the configuration files and stuff aren't there
[01:40] <Seibol> :
[01:40] <AngelGabriel> robertj, explain that last thing, about the positive cultures?
[01:40] <DonL> Yeah. I'm having no luck with Wine
[01:40] <HrdwrBoB> just get the 'wine' package
[01:40] <thechitowncubs> Really? That's your guys favorite program?
[01:40] <HrdwrBoB> and run wine ss2
[01:40] <DonL> Guess I'll stick to beer
[01:40] <kakalto> DonL :D
[01:40] <rrfs1> propagandhi how u find the kde settings maybe in that way i can find the gnome settengis?
[01:40] <djm62> thechitowncubs: maybe gaim....gaim works right
[01:40] <thechitowncubs> gaim is good, it needs to be more customizable
[01:40] <tsume_> robertj: I still think most African Americans(who usually aren't in armed forces, haven't gone to college, or thought about helping humanity) are bad like the rest of of the white trash, just not low as them. The white trash I see are usually lazy.. most expensive looking cars I see.. black people driving. It shows to me they work ;)
[01:41] <kakalto> HrdwrBoB, I do that, but it can't find ss2
[01:41] <dragon_> hm..
[01:41] <dragon_> hello?
[01:41] <dockane_> thechitowncubs, man is cool.
[01:41] <tsume_> I've white trash living nex to me unfortunately :(
[01:41] <HrdwrBoB> kakalto: well by 'ss2' I mean the system shock executable
[01:41] <Zugot> tsume_: wow... you are a sad person
[01:41] <IIIEars> has anyone tried "Gyach" in place of GAIM - what is it like?
[01:41] <dragon_> a.... i need a little help..
[01:41] <MikeA>  why do I get this on starting bash?
[01:41] <MikeA>  -bash: id: command not found
[01:41] <MikeA>  -bash: [: : integer expression expected
[01:41] <HrdwrBoB> and you have to be in the system shock 2 directory
[01:41] <kakalto> HrdwrBoB, ahh
[01:41] <robertj> Angel: thinking on how to say this exactly...
[01:41] <kakalto> HrdwrBoB, I thought that's how I'm meant to fix it
[01:41] <tsume_> her daddy bought her a trailer and everything when she was knocked up and the boy friend ran away
[01:41] <dragon_> i'm trying to install VMware tool and it's asking me where GCC is
[01:41] <Seibol> well tsume_ since you can't drop it man
[01:41] <propagandhi> rrfs1: view the hidden folders in ur home directory
[01:41] <tsume_> Zugot: no, just realise how life really is
[01:42] <djm62> ignore
[01:42] <hypno> robertj, i think you're well meaning but could benefit from some experience and travel :)
[01:42] <Zugot> hmm
[01:42] <HrdwrBoB> dragon_: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[01:42] <djm62> is all you can do with judgemental people
[01:42] <tsume_> Zugot: what is sad are the lower parts of South Africa
[01:42] <Zugot> let me test out ignore in konversation
[01:42] <dragon_> oh is that where gcc is?
[01:42] <mdke> hi there, i've just installed splashy, and now I am trying to fix all errors during boot so that it doesn't kick out into verbose mode during boot. Last one to do is: Setting up general console font... t_kernel_font: Invalid argument. <-- Does anyone know how to solve this?
[01:42] <djm62> they won't change, they won't go away
[01:42] <HrdwrBoB> dragon_: build essential will get gcc and all the needed apps to build stuff
[01:42] <zooted> Any reports of X locking up on ati based laptops?  I can't seem to run the live CD on my P4 laptop without X locking after about 5 minutes with 99% cpu going to X.
[01:42] <dragon_> ic...
[01:43] <nickrud> djm62: judgmental is ok, just the tarring is wrong.
[01:43] <robertj> Angel: the idea is that anyone who has a good education, refrains from basic thuggary, works hard, etc "acts white."
[01:43] <MikeA> How can I restore my /etc/profile to the default? what do I apt-get?
[01:43] <dragon_> ok i'm going to try it now
[01:43] <robertj> Angel: and it's shared by both blacks and whites
[01:43] <netpuppy> is there a tool to run ldd on all binaries and libs on a system and report missing shared libs?
[01:43] <dragon_> thanks for help :)
[01:43] <tsume_> robertj: define "acts white" please :)
[01:43] <djm62> nickrud: judgemental is a word which has strayed far in its connotations
[01:43] <robertj> tsume: I just did
[01:43] <Reblended> ubuntu is a plug and play o/s, yes?
[01:43] <nickrud> djm62: true, so lets bring it back :)
[01:43] <tsume_> oh
[01:44] <djm62> Reblended: for the most part, yes
[01:44] <mdke> anyone know how to help me?
[01:44] <Reblended> ok thx djm62
[01:44] <hypno> robertj, i dont think those labels are entirely useful for both sides..
[01:44] <tsume_> robertj: sorry, I missed the context :)
[01:44] <robertj> hypno: that's what the yare though
[01:44] <djm62> nickrud: while we're at it, I have a fondness for "catamite"
[01:44] <hypno> robertj, then you should not promote them :)
[01:44] <nickrud> djm62: truly, some of my best friends.
[01:44] <dragon_> hm... ok i think the install was successful
[01:44] <dragon_> but... i don't still know where
[01:44] <dragon_> gcc is -_-;
[01:44] <djm62> the word, I mean
[01:44] <tsume_> robertj: basically yes, plus add.. "doesn't promote violence" ex. the white rapper guy who thinks hes black
[01:44] <IIIEars> << Ignores Tsume for non-linux chat and bigotry
[01:45] <robertj> hypno: I really don't mind this one, I think it's antagonistic enough to be useful
[01:45] <hypno> a person who doesn't torch cars and hold up conviennce stores isn't acting white, he's acting rationally
[01:45] <djm62> it should be used more often
[01:45] <mdke> whoa is there any ONtopic chat going on in here
[01:45] <nickrud> as an insult, or description?
[01:45] <HrdwrBoB> dragon_: it's in the path
[01:45] <djm62> nickrud: description...
[01:45] <tsume_> IIIEars: it has to do with ubuntu linux and the gangster kid on the homepage of ubuntu.org
[01:45] <HrdwrBoB> you should be able to accept the default
[01:45] <dragon_> what do you mean it's in the path?  ?
[01:45] <kakalto> mdke, topic? what's that? :P
[01:45] <dragon_> I've never used linux before.. -__-;;;;
[01:45] <propagandhi> mdke: have u seen this http://www.ubuntuforums.org/search.php?s=abb651943bcd89cb3104b56c0eec7ad9&searchid=556882
[01:46] <djm62> nickrud: it's just flavourful... :-/
[01:46] <hypno> gangster?? he doesn't look like a gangster to me. Looks like he's from a well to do family
[01:46] <nickrud> djm62: I'm supposed to be ignoring this suff :J)
[01:46] <robertj> but black people are antagonized if they don't listen to rap music, study hard to go off to college, etc.
[01:46] <mdke> kakalto, obviously now ubuntu has become popular this channel does not stay on topic
[01:46] <IIIEars> Welcome dragon! Congrats - i am new also Ubuntu is very nice isn't it?
[01:46] <dragon_> oh ya
[01:46] <nomasteryoda> dragon_: in 2 weeks you'll feel  quite at home if you spend some time in this channel
[01:46] <juan> hi guyz how can I get the warty human theme on hoary? I like so much it! =D ? :P
[01:46] <dragon_> hahaha I hope so :)
[01:46] <mdke> propagandhi, no, thanks for showing: which thread should I be looking at?
[01:47] <tsume_> hypno: not compared to people in my area. If he was wearing a plain blue shirt, I might have considered what you describe him as
[01:47] <djm62> nickrud: I'm only /ignoring/ tsume...the channel is temporarily lost :-/
[01:47] <propagandhi> theres one that deals with setting vga=792
[01:47] <dragon_> install wasn't as hard/confusing as I thought..
[01:47] <propagandhi> u could try that
[01:47] <propagandhi> in ur menu.lst file (if ur using grub)\
[01:47] <IIIEars> Ubuntu - detected all of my hardware well enough to start learning about Linux. :)
[01:47] <nickrud> djm62: although it is tangentially related to the broader concept of ubuntu, so lets watch.
[01:47] <dragon_> haha same here :) I can even listen to mp3s
[01:47] <mdke> propagandhi, its on 792 at the moment i think
[01:48] <robertj> Which I believe is why a lot of the upper-middle class blacks are celebrating Kwanza and the like, to try to create a black-culture that can co-exist with the ideals put forth by "being white"
[01:48] <djm62> nickrud: true...I hope things stay relatively sane in the UK
[01:48] <robertj> err "acting white"
[01:48] <robertj> which I will be the first to tell you aren't great ideals
[01:48] <dragon_> neways... anyone know where GCC is located ?
[01:48] <mdke> robertj, can you take this discussion to #ubuntu-offtopic please?
[01:48] <g0mej> I new to unbuntu linux as using apple mac om linux can any body help
[01:48] <jirwin> hello
[01:48] <a_peck> is the ubuntu site based on a cms or is it custom-made?
[01:48] <Resonant> Plone
[01:48] <Reblended> Seibol, you are a God-send!, TY TY TY TY
[01:48] <nomasteryoda> dragon_: yea, the ubuntu installer is quite simple ... one thing to bear in mind is keeping your monitor on during startup... xorg seems to read the resolution from the monitor and match it as closly as possible
[01:48] <Resonant> Thats what its based off of, a highly modified Plone site
[01:48] <nickrud> djm62: sanity is always on a personal level, never (almost) on an institutional.
[01:48] <dragon_> oh ic
[01:49] <mdke> djm62, thanks, try and get em to follow you
[01:49] <nomasteryoda> but if it is off then i always get 640x480
[01:49] <IIIEars> dragon - synaptic is the best - it will make getting needed dependencies a snap. - I really like streamtuner/streamripper recording radio to mp3s is great. :)
[01:49] <Zugot> plone is god
[01:49] <Resonant> Indeed
[01:49] <dragon_> mine is 1024 758 which is great I think..
[01:49] <Resonant> How do I make wget go through a proxy?
[01:49] <fin_uk> nomasteryoda: does this mean ubuntu won't work nicely with a monitor-less PC - ie headless server?
[01:49] <HrdwrBoB> Resonant: man wget
[01:49] <danwolf> anyone here installed the gmail-notify package from sourceforge?
[01:49] <nomasteryoda> fin_uk: no, it works fine
[01:49] <danwolf> I can't seem to get it to install
[01:49] <fin_uk> nice one - that's what I have planned... thx.
[01:49] <IIIEars> ROFLMAO @Reblended
[01:50] <Resonant> HrdwrBoB: It doesn't tell me what environtment variable I have to set.
[01:50] <juan> hi guyz how can I get the warty human theme on hoary? I like so much it! =D ? :P
[01:50] <djm62> nickrud: less sure about that...I think there is such a thing as "national character" even if it is impermanent
[01:50] <danwolf> when I dpkg-i gmail-notify it gives me dependency errors
[01:50] <propagandhi> mdke: sorry, in that case, i dont know what else u can try
[01:50] <mdke> propagandhi, thanks tho
[01:50] <propagandhi> ii havent had that problem
[01:50] <HrdwrBoB> Resonant: 'PROXY' :)
[01:50] <jirwin> what else could cause my installer to stop at the exact same spot?
[01:50] <propagandhi> no worries
[01:50] <jirwin> when installing hoary?
[01:50] <Resonant> lol, Seems like I always overlook the obvious. lol
[01:50] <danwolf> mainly python dependencies, but I already have higher versions that it even needs
[01:50] <danwolf> anyone have an answer?
[01:51] <DonL> no luck yet, jirwin ?
[01:51] <paul__> FATAL: Error inserting ipw2200 (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/drivers/net/wireless/ipw2200.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)
[01:51] <mdke> propagandhi, i'm gonna try 791
[01:51] <nickrud> djm62: I'm given to sweeping statements, they require less backup :)\
[01:51] <paul__> can someone help me with this error?
[01:51] <danwolf> why does noone listen when you have a problem in here?
[01:51] <danwolf> haha
[01:52] <mdke> nickrud, *points at #ubuntu-offtopic*
[01:52] <nickrud> danwolf: we do, but the people here at the moment don't always know the answer.
[01:52] <dragon_> What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running
[01:52] <dragon_> kernel? [/usr/src/linux/include] 
[01:52] <danwolf> haha
[01:52] <dragon_> ok..
[01:52] <jirwin> haven't tried...but it was hanging after i formatted so I wanted to ask about it before I went
[01:52] <dragon_> i got this message..
[01:52] <g0mej> Wpould give advice unbuntu for power pc ?
[01:52] <danwolf> ok nickrud, thanks
[01:52] <juan> hi guyz how can I get the warty human theme on hoary? I like so much it! =D ? :P
[01:52] <danwolf> nickrud: you see what I said? You don't have a clue
[01:53] <rrfs1> propagandhi, i find that in /home/myusername/  is the /.gnome and /.kde . with mv i will rename .gnome to gnome-old, why?
[01:53] <nickrud> danwolf: true, that's why I'm not trying to help.
[01:53] <DonL> jirwin, any time I had that happen, it was either a burning error or a download error. If you try reburning nice and slow (I use 4X for data) and have the same results, try re-downloading
[01:53] <danwolf> nickrud: that was a question, sorry
[01:53] <danwolf> nickrud: no offense
[01:53] <propagandhi> rrfs1: it will cause all the files to be rebuilt by gnome
[01:54] <dockane_> who mentioned streamtuner ? thnx for that cool program
[01:54] <propagandhi> rrfs1: i had the same problem, only with KDE last night
[01:54] <LinuxJones> danwolf, dpkg doesn't resolve dependencies when you install a random .deb that you downloaded from the Internet
[01:54] <danwolf> LinuxJones: I understand that
[01:54] <rrfs1> propagandhi but which did it?
[01:54] <mdke> propagandhi, 791 didn't do it
[01:54] <danwolf> LinuxJones: I don't know how to get it then
[01:54] <rrfs1> propagandhi but now which did it?
[01:55] <danwolf> LinuxJones: what can I do to get the dependencies met for the package?
[01:55] <propagandhi> rrfs1: i ran the mv command and it fixed it if thats what u mean
[01:55] <jirwin> ok
[01:55] <juan> hi guyz how can I get the warty human theme on hoary? I like so much it! =D ? :P
[01:55] <g0mej> does wont to talk with I have using linux i86 platform for some years now can any body help with ppc apple mac I just install it with  no probles at all
[01:55] <jirwin> DonL, if I had a cd that worked before, would there be any other reason it hung?
[01:55] <propagandhi> mdke: i will see if theres anything else - no promises
[01:55] <DonL> juan, I did an update, and it was still there
[01:55] <danwolf> heh
[01:55] <DonL> jirwin, it worked before???
[01:55] <mdke> propagandhi, ;) i will search the forum too
[01:55] <danwolf> tsume_: not me, I like in AR
[01:55] <dragon_> hm where is "C Header"?
[01:55] <propagandhi> mdke: okay, easy
[01:56] <dragon_> I got the gcc part
[01:56] <jirwin> DonL, my friend has a working cd
[01:56] <juan> DonL I want to have the old warty human theme on Hoary, do you have it?
[01:56] <LinuxJones> danwolf, it depends on how many different packages you need, they will have to all be found and installed. For something as trivial as gmail-notifier that it's going to be a lot of work :D
[01:56] <tsume_> danwolf: :/ you have a wolf logo for your personal emblem too I suppose? ;)
[01:56] <danwolf> tsume_: Dan Wolf isn't my name anyway, its a nickname someone gave me cause I looked like a wolf with really long hair
[01:56] <IIIEars> What file is the list of all installed apps?
[01:56] <DonL> juan, yes I have it and it works
[01:56] <danwolf> tsume_: nope
[01:56] <tsume_> danwolf: oh, heh :)
[01:56] <juan> DonL where did you get it? :D
[01:56] <DonL> ok, jirwin , then I don't know. Sorry
[01:56] <juan> I love it =D
[01:56] <paul__> Can somebody help me?
[01:56] <propagandhi> danwolf: a hippy wolf??
[01:57] <dragon_> hm.. i need help too;;
[01:57] <jirwin> can anyone think of any other causes of the installer hanging for hoary?
[01:57] <danwolf> LinuxJones: I tried searching on apt for the dependencies, but I couldnt find em
[01:57] <DonL> juan, the theme came from Warty. I updated to Hoary, and it's still there
[01:57] <juan> ohh I see
[01:57] <juan> thanks
[01:57] <tsume_> jirwin: does the computer freeze, or just the installation process?
[01:57] <danwolf> propagandhi: Hippy, no, liberal, yes, heh
[01:57] <tsume_> jirwin: did vt4 say anything?
[01:57] <g0mej> howto get my canon ip2000 usb under  unbuntu linux to work is mac compactible And Sir Billy Gates I  Don't like him
[01:57] <propagandhi> danwolf: sorry, just mucking around
[01:57] <danwolf> propagandhi: I know, me too
[01:57] <jirwin> tsume, the only thing it tells me is that it fails setting the locale
[01:58] <propagandhi> cool
[01:58] <tsume_> jirwin: and your locale is?
[01:58] <danwolf> propagandhi: know anyone that has installed the gmail-notifier program from sourcefourge?
[01:58] <jirwin> tsume_, utf-8
[01:58] <tsume_> hmmm
[01:58] <jirwin> english
[01:58] <propagandhi> danwolf:no, but whats the problem with it
[01:58] <tsume_> jirwin: try  en_US first ?
[01:58] <danwolf> propagandhi: dependency problems
[01:58] <jirwin> tsume_, how do I change that?
[01:58] <jirwin> expert install?
[01:58] <propagandhi> what dependancies??
[01:59] <tsume_> jirwin: I thought it was a selection from the insta...
[01:59] <BrettMeister> Please help.  I have tried to load ubuntu onto my laptop and I'm having trouble getting intot he GUI...something about Xorg
[01:59] <danwolf> propagandhi: it says I need a lower version of python or greater, but I have it
[01:59] <danwolf> heh
[01:59] <danwolf> lemme get the output
[01:59] <jirwin> tsume_, the language...yes..and I have been choosing english usa
[01:59] <BrettMeister> I'm on the Xorg wiki,but I really can't understand most of that stuff.
[01:59] <tsume_> jirwin: oh.. hmm
[01:59] <propagandhi> danwolf: i will try install it now
[01:59] <g0mej> hannes can you help
[02:00] <tsume_> jirwin: you'd need to ask a dev to debug the problem further
[02:00] <danwolf> http://switch.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/gmail-notify/gmail-notify-1.5.deb
[02:00] <danwolf> theres a download link
[02:00] <propagandhi> danwolf: u downloaded the deb package right?
[02:00] <danwolf> propagandhi: http://switch.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/gmail-notify/gmail-notify-1.5.deb
[02:00] <danwolf> propagandhi: course
[02:00] <propagandhi> cool
[02:00] <jirwin> tsume_, would there be any reason it halts at the exact same spot everytime?
[02:00] <goldfish> BrettMeister: you could try running, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[02:01] <tsume_> jirwin: well its a bug in the exact same place ;)
[02:01] <BrettMeister> goldfish: Thanks...brb
[02:01] <tsume_> jirwin: did you check the md5 of your ISO?
[02:01] <Reblended> Seibol, ok.. guess where I am...
[02:01] <g0mej> Well you don't make feel happy here why don't you won't to help
[02:01] <jirwin> i will be sure to do that...
[02:01] <jirwin> i am redownloading as we speak
[02:01] <DonL> jirwin, one last thing: Check the disk for dirt?
[02:01] <jirwin> 2 minutes left
[02:01] <tsume_> jirwin: if a bit is off.. I've had it mess up :)
[02:01] <propagandhi> danwolf: just gotta wait for synaptic to stop updates, wont be long
[02:01] <jirwin> understandable
[02:01] <Reblended> Seibol, I'm at a screen that says, "could not load xserver"   does this mean I need to type vga=771?
[02:02] <rrfs1> propagandhi, with mv /home/username/.gnome /home/username/.gnome-old, in thi way i will rename the dir .gnome (.gnome-old) and after that gnome will rebulit the files? because find in a forum the suggestion to remove the .ICEauthority but i every time i entered on the ubuntu it pop up the same warning. u think that with mv ...  i have not do it anymore?
[02:02] <Reblended> anyone?
[02:02] <propagandhi> rrfs1: try the command, if it doesn't work, u can always reverse it
[02:02] <propagandhi> rrfs1: as i said, it solved it for me
[02:03] <MikeA> How can I restore my /etc/profile to the default? what do I apt-get?
[02:03] <propagandhi> rrfs1: i also deleted and redid the file, was only temporary
[02:03] <g0mej> dose any won;t to help pse
[02:04] <limer> I found some odd behavior when using a virtual console.  if I use "$" and then CAPS lock, the letter "e" is not capped
[02:04] <g0mej> or talk to me
[02:04] <rrfs1> propagandhi thnks a lot, i will do it
[02:04] <limer> anyone else want to test this?
[02:04] <Reblended> Seibol, thx for the help... at least I know now that the xserver won't start... =p got that far
[02:04] <juan> UUBNTU ROCKS!
[02:04] <juan> :d
[02:04] <limer> tty2 that is
[02:04] <mdke> ogra and doko have merged?
[02:04] <mdke> some kind of super dev?
[02:04] <g0mej> bye
[02:05] <Reblended> what do I do now? I've booted to the point where I get a message: xserver cannot run
[02:05] <Reblended> I get a prompt
[02:06] <mdke> Reblended, have you tried logging in and doing a "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[02:06] <Reblended> ooh... I like to learn mdke
[02:06] <mdke> Reblended, it might not help
[02:06] <mdke> Reblended, that should attempt to reconfigure your graphical server
[02:06] <MikeA> How can I restore my /etc/profile to the default? what do I apt-get? anyone?
[02:06] <Reblended> ok.. well, I'm like very noob, but I have installed some things so far on another machine, mdke
[02:06] <Reblended> mdke, ty
[02:07] <ratius> anyone knows how can i get apache?
[02:07] <goldfish> ratius: apt-get
[02:07] <Reblended> brb mdke
[02:07] <mdke> ratius, you can install it using your favourite package manager
[02:07] <MikeA> apt-get install apache 2
[02:07] <MikeA> apt-get install apache2
[02:07] <mdke> or apache, if you want apache version 1
[02:07] <ratius> ok thx
[02:07] <juan> DonL  I've uninstalled the 0.2.24 package (hoary) and installed the 0.2.14 (which is supported by the dependences like gdm, ubuntu-desktop) Thanks ! ;)
[02:07] <ratius> whats better version 1 or 2?
[02:07] <mdke> ratius, 2
[02:08] <riffic> hi, can someone mark this: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=9751 as a duplicate of bug 8923
[02:08] <juan> DonL the ubuntu-artwork package =D
[02:08] <mdke> riffic, it will get done eventually :)
[02:08] <ubuntu> question, using the gnome livecd and wondering how to access my files on windows, can anyone shed any light on this?
[02:08] <mdke> riffic, put a comment on if you think it will help
[02:08] <juan> donL brb i'm gonna try it =D
[02:08] <riffic> mdke: oh well I was sort of wondering if it'd get done sometime soon
[02:08] <riffic> that'd require me creating an acct, heh
[02:08] <riffic> =)
[02:08] <riffic> I guess I'll sign up
[02:09] <dragon_> does anyone know why Ubuntu is distributing CDs for free?
[02:09] <dragon_> I live in Canada and just ordered some cds... and I feel a little guilty for having done that
[02:09] <riffic> because they can?
[02:09] <djm62> dragon_: so that anyone can use it
[02:09] <riffic> its great marketing
[02:10] <Dethread> so that it spreads like a virus
[02:10] <Jesterace> i'm in canada and i've gotten my warty cds
[02:10] <dragon_> it must cost them alot to do so
[02:10] <Sophistication> to promote thier distro~!
[02:10] <djm62> dragon_: even in countries where broadband isn't common
[02:10] <Jesterace> got a set of hoary coming in the mail in the distant future
[02:10] <_chavo> dragon_, how dare you ? :)
[02:10] <netpuppy> dragon_: don't feel guilty, they're cheap to make because of child work
[02:10] <DonL> dragon_, me too. I felt that way. It' the way Mark Shuttleworth feels though
[02:10] <dragon_> hm.. ya i can see it's a marketing strategy
[02:10] <riffic> i've given away a few copies and everyone loves it
[02:10] <dragon_> hm...
[02:10] <riffic> they use it and pass it on
[02:10] <ubuntu> everyone lives free stuff
[02:10] <dragon_> ya...
[02:10] <ubuntu> loves*
[02:10] <dragon_> but... where do they make all the money -_-?
[02:10] <djm62> imagine downloading ubuntu on 11.5kbps modem
[02:10] <dragon_> ya...;;
[02:11] <DonL> dragon_, you can sign up for support
[02:11] <ubuntu> people who start using it, like it, and then care to donate.
[02:11] <dragon_> aha...
[02:11] <DonL> ...or not
[02:11] <djm62> good point! I need to do that
[02:11] <dragon_> hahah
[02:11] <rrfs1> dd
[02:12] <djm62> (trying to donate time...possibly doing more good than harm)
[02:12] <PacoBCN> hi people
[02:12] <netpuppy> dragon_: the drug dealers have been using that trick for ages
[02:12] <netpuppy> the first one is free...
[02:12] <dragon_> hm...
[02:12] <tsume_> netpuppy: you see black people? ;)
[02:12] <dragon_> oh
[02:12] <djm62> netpuppy: but so are all the subsequent ones
[02:12] <dragon_> so are we gonna have to pay for this later -_-???
[02:13] <DonL> Apparently Ubuntu will always be free
[02:13] <dragon_> hm..
[02:13] <netpuppy> tsume_: yeah, there's a negro on my wallpaper
[02:13] <dragon_> i hope so..
[02:13] <DonL> dragon_, if you go to the home page, you can read about it
[02:13] <ubuntu> dragon, probably not.
[02:13] <tsume_> netpuppy: heh. I'm sure its a fantasy black. One who raps about sex, guns, and street wars which he knows nothing about ;)
[02:13] <tsume_> netpuppy: or its a hot black chick 8) (*hoping the latter)
[02:13] <BrettMeister> Guys I have just had it.  I have not been able to ever get an ubuntu install to work right.  This is my fourth failure.
[02:14] <netpuppy> dragon_: they wait till you've got the first 10 releases, then they bill you with ms-like fees
[02:14] <netpuppy> pure evil, pitr couldn't have outdone it
[02:14] <djm62> BrettMeister: what's been going wrong?
[02:14] <dragon_> --_--??
[02:14] <riffic> mdke: okay registered on bugzilla and commented
[02:14] <riffic> that feels good
[02:14] <dragon_> ms-like fees...
[02:14] <netpuppy> tsume_: yeah, it's a chick
[02:14] <djm62> BrettMeister: if it's a bug, please report it so it can be working next time
[02:15] <ubuntu> so, can anyone tell me how to access windows files from a Ubuntu LiveCD?
[02:15] <DonL> So sorry, BrettMeister . It's the most trouble-free distro I've used in five years
[02:15] <netpuppy> tsume_: it's one of the monthly wallpapers
[02:15] <mdke> riffic, good:)
[02:15] <BrettMeister> djm62: I just can't get the xserver to work right.  Can't even get to the GUI.
[02:15] <netpuppy> ubuntu: just mount it
[02:15] <djm62> BrettMeister: ah...can you see the error messages?
[02:16] <BrettMeister> Yes
[02:16] <netpuppy> ubuntu: mount -t ntfs /dev/hda /mnt/win32
[02:16] <tsume_> netpuppy: ohhh.
[02:16] <BrettMeister> djm62: yes
[02:16] <ubuntu> ah  thanks, new to linux.
[02:16] <eflynn> ubuntu rocks
[02:16] <fazer> man
[02:16] <fazer> yeah it does!
[02:16] <netpuppy> ubuntu: beware, though, you can't write to it!
[02:16] <fazer> all I had to do was change 24 bits to 16
[02:16] <BrettMeister> djm6
[02:16] <netpuppy> at least you shouldn't
[02:16] <ubuntu> ah alright. just want to test run it :)
[02:16] <fazer> i say we need to bring more nicely brested white chicks
[02:16] <netpuppy> oh well, I'm in GMT+2, sleep tight
[02:17] <tsume_> as long as she didn't have a fat ganger's girl look ;)
[02:17] <BrettMeister> djm62: It shows X10 fatal IO error 104
[02:18] <BrettMeister> I'm on a laptop.  Could that be the issue?  Drivers?
[02:18] <djm62> BrettMeister: it's possible...do you know what card it is?
[02:19] <BrettMeister> djm62: Nope, sorry.
[02:19] <djm62> BrettMeister: you could use the "vesa" x drivers
[02:19] <djm62> that's pretty generic stuff
[02:19] <BrettMeister> How do I try that?
[02:20] <Reblended> how do I describe 32megs in kb's?
[02:20] <Reblended> 32,000?
[02:20] <helio7> I'm trying to print an image via gimp/cupsd/hp inkjet 932c / hpijs driver and despite high photo resolution, I'm getting a dark pattern of tiny speckles across my printer output.  Can anyone suggest where I should look to solve this?
[02:20] <helio7> Reblended: yes
[02:20] <Reblended> thx helio7
[02:21] <djm62> anyone...how would you configure X to use vesa drivers?
[02:21] <djm62> BrettMeister: I haven't done it for a while
[02:22] <propagandhi> djm62: u could use xorgconfig
[02:23] <djm62> xorgconfig...I've NEVER done this
[02:23] <BrettMeister> propagandhi: I'll try that.  I just rebooted to see if that clears some stuff out.
[02:23] <djm62> BrettMeister: can you run xorgconfig and select vesa drivers at the correct resolution
[02:25] <DonL> djm62, thanks. I didn't know there was a program called xorgconfig
[02:25] <dragon> neways.. i g2g now.. my mom doesn't like me when I'm on the computer for the whole day..
[02:25] <dragon> thanks for help and see you all later : )
[02:25] <tsume_> It would be nice if kids wouldn't presume somebody making a statement would flame them
[02:25] <NeonLevel> hi !
[02:25] <tsume_> now lets see.. where is  mdz
[02:25] <tsume_> to go get a respectable person on the image of the frontpage :)
[02:26] <Reblended> I've reconfigured xserver, how do I restart it (without rebooting as I am on live cd)
[02:26] <NeonLevel> i'm a first time user with ubuntu and very impressed so far, except that i'm trying to setup wifi and couldn't do it so far...
[02:27] <tsume_> NeonLevel: iwconfig?
[02:27] <DonL> Sorry I can't help, NeonLevel
[02:27] <Reblended> NeonLevel need ndiswrapper probably to get the drivers working (I've done it once, I'm new too)
[02:27] <helio7> Does anyone print photos to an inkjet printer and get excellent, photo-quality output?
[02:27] <DonL> It is an impressive Distro though
[02:27] <Reblended> helio7, need photog paper
[02:28] <tsume_> Reblended: usually drivers are out there
[02:28] <Reblended> helio7, most papers will bleed
[02:28] <djm62> Reblended: /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[02:28] <Reblended> ty djm62  and tsume_
[02:28] <helio7> that's not my issue Reblended, I've printed successfully to this everyday-hp paper successfully before under the Other-OS...
[02:28] <Reblended> djm62, where do I learn all these commands? =D
[02:29] <Reblended> oh, out of my league then, helio7
[02:29] <rrfs1> propagandhi, i have and  an other problem, i connect to the internet from my nokia wich is connect the computer via bluetooth. every time i have to connect i do: rfcomm add of the dev ...        is there anyway did automaticly ?
[02:29] <helio7> I'm trying to understand which component might be responsible for adding this odd black pattern of speckles to my printer's output, so I can intelligently search for the solution... I'm not sure if it might be called a dithering issue or what...
[02:30] <djm62> Reblended: it's all in the spec ;)
[02:30] <Reblended> djm62, yea?
[02:30] <djm62> Reblended: or you take the blue pill
[02:30] <Reblended> djm62, nope.. red
[02:30] <MuWu> Hi. How do I get java sdk to work in Ubuntu? Setting various paths don seem to work
[02:30] <Reblended> djm62, gdm restart fail
[02:30] <djm62> damn!
[02:30] <propagandhi> rrfs1: u could write a quick script that does it
[02:31] <Reblended> yeah... It knows my graphics chip tho!
[02:31] <dhonn> everyones having problems with gdm huh?
[02:31] <dhonn> the best way is to delete some of the lines and let X determine the correct way to set it up!
[02:31] <MuWu> anyone? Java errors.. mesed up path.. :(
[02:31] <dhonn> line in xorg.conf
[02:31] <Reblended> dhonn, yep.. I was like, do do yes yes ok ok
[02:31] <dcooper> has anyone had luck with with ndiswrapper deb or is better to compile the source for a broadcom chipset?
[02:31] <mjg59> The deb works fine
[02:31] <Reblended> broadcom, worked for me with ndiswrapper
[02:31] <dhonn> the live cd and install cd has the default settign on some strange setup
[02:32] <fazer> mhmm
[02:32] <fazer> does anyone here use Limewire with Ubuntu?
[02:32] <djm62> fazer: yes
[02:32] <Reblended> dhonn, so, the live will fail whereas the install won't?
[02:32] <dhonn> I use limewire Pro
[02:32] <dhonn> compiled
[02:32] <dhonn> they both fail on mine
[02:32] <fazer> djm62: so you converted that .rpm to a .deb?
[02:32] <Reblended> dhonn, uhh.. so I have to get the drivers and ndiswrapp them?
[02:33] <dhonn> i have to rip out the line where it says PCI:0:1? or something like that
[02:33] <Reblended> dhonn yah, I don't know the setting for that
[02:33] <Reblended> it said PCI:0:2:0 or something
[02:33] <dhonn> Reblended, that only works with wireless windows drivers
[02:33] <Reblended> dhonn k... =] 
[02:33] <dhonn> but for your video thats another story
[02:33] <dhonn> yeah for your video card get rid of that PCI:0:2:0 line
[02:33] <Reblended> dhonn where/how do I search for that PCI identifier?
[02:34] <Reblended> ohkay!
[02:34] <Reblended> what do I put instead? just blank?
[02:34] <dhonn> i dont search for them xorg does a good job at detecting the right settings
[02:34] <Reblended> ok.. brb
[02:34] <Reblended> ty
[02:35] <DonL> I'm off for now. Thanks for the chat, folks
[02:35] <rrfs1> propagandhi, excuse me, i am a starter, how can i do it?
[02:35] <propagandhi> rrfs1: how do u normally excute the command
[02:35] <MuWu> anyone? Java errors.. mesed up path.. :(
[02:36] <Feilding> Hi! is it possible to record music to my mini disc player from Ubuntu or kubuntu?
[02:37] <Reblended> I tried twice.. both with the pci line deleted, once with frame buffer on, other off
[02:38] <Reblended> gdm fail
[02:38] <nickrud> Fielding: what kind of player do you have?
[02:38] <dhonn> what does it say for Driver?
[02:38] <Feilding> sony mini disc :)
[02:38] <rrfs1> propagandhi, rfcomm connect 0  00:11:9F:CA:2F:29 1
[02:38] <propagandhi> in a terminal??
[02:38] <nickrud> got a usb plug?
[02:38] <rrfs1> y
[02:38] <Feilding> yea it is USB :)
[02:38] <dhonn> Reblended, what does it say for Driver?
[02:38] <thundrcleeze> Have there not been many updates recently? The last week or so I haven't gotten anything from the apt-get upgrade.
[02:38] <nickrud> plug it in, see if it shows up on your desktop.
[02:38] <Reblended> dhonn, says intel 82815 which is correct
[02:39] <Feilding> ok, i have to install ubuntu first :)
[02:39] <Meastapheles> anybody know what CPU_FREQ_STAT does?
[02:39] <nickrud> ha, yeah.
[02:39] <dhonn> for example mines says: Driver    "nvidia"
[02:39] <Feilding> I broke my other partition recently
[02:39] <Reblended> dhonn I also tried specifying 32000k ram, and then the other time I left it blank... still no dif
[02:39] <k-otik> if i wanted to run a program from my terminal what could i do that would free up my terminal again?
[02:39] <Feilding> I was running warty for a while, but then accidently formated it in windows :)
[02:39] <nickrud> Feilding: bummer.
[02:40] <helio7> thundrcleeze: are you on warty or hoary?
[02:40] <Reblended> k-otik open another term window?
[02:40] <Feilding> clicked on the drive,and hit yes insted of no LOL!
[02:40] <thundrcleeze> helio7, hoary
[02:40] <Feilding> i am looking forward to trying the new hoary
[02:40] <nickrud> feilding: well install ubuntu, and maybe we can help.
[02:40] <k-otik> nah you know when you type for example xmms in terminal it pops up but you can't use the terminal anymore
[02:40] <nickrud> hoary.
[02:40] <helio7> thundrcleeze: I've gotten quite a few updates over the last week
[02:40] <Feilding> sure :)
[02:40] <k-otik> what could you do that would free up the terminal but keep the program running?
[02:40] <rrfs1> propagandhi, i am wating for u
[02:41] <Dethread> I'm having trouble with mozilla products and printing in hoary. (It worked fine in warty) The printer is a HP 940C. Printing from gedit/ooffice works fine. When trying to print from firefox or thunderbird, the app crashes with a Segmentation fault.
[02:41] <dhonn> try deleteding: HorizSync, VertRefresh, BusID lines, you shouldnt have to specify the ram
[02:41] <nickrud> k-otick: disown
[02:41] <dhonn> thats oldschool
[02:41] <Feilding> was just checking first, was thinking perhaps it is a special part of KDE or GNOME that burned the minidisc...
[02:41] <Feilding> so I ask first :)
[02:41] <Reblended> dhonn ahh, hmm here goes
[02:42] <nickrud> Feilding: try googling for your exact model and ubundu, or debian, or linix.
[02:42] <dhonn> k
[02:42] <mrvain> I can view everything on a tv connected to my laptop just fine before gnome starts, then the picture goes haywire.  Any suggestions?
[02:43] <thundrcleeze> helio7, huh.  What could be wrong? My sound problem that happened right after I dist-upgraded to hoary just went away suddenly without an update, and there haven't been almost any updates available since hoary was released.
[02:43] <liable> k-otik: add an apersand to the command at the end
[02:43] <Feilding> yea,i went thru google and the debian package list... nothing on debian, woll check out google again after I install if I need to troubleshoot, Thanks Nickrud :)
[02:43] <propagandhi> rrfs1: thats an example of the shell script u could write
[02:44] <nickrud> Feilding: hopefully your thing will show up as 'storage', and then it'll work no problem
[02:44] <Feilding> have a nice day everyone, and thanks again for the help
[02:44] <Feilding> tyea
[02:44] <thundrcleeze> bye Feilding
[02:44] <helio7> thundrcleeze: I don't know how your sound problem might have fixed itself, but as long as it's working I wouldn't worry; as far as your lack of updates have you checked your /etc/apt/sources.list against the one on http://ubuntuguide.org/ ?
[02:44] <Feilding> ti am hopeing this too, all my other USB stuff worked with Warty, looking forward to trying hoary :)
[02:44] <Reblended> dhonn same outcome, hmm server modules? (I tried leaving the refresh entry blank, but it said it needed a setting)
[02:45] <crimsun> thundrcleeze: what sound chipset?
[02:45] <dhonn> whats your x error output?
[02:45] <helio7> anyone played with dithering under gimp-printing?
[02:45] <dhonn> send it to pastebin.com
[02:45] <thundrcleeze> helio7, I did what it said to do on the upgrade notes.  Would they have changed? crimsun, sb audigy
[02:46] <Reblended> dhonn uhh, I can't copy paste it can I? I have a thumbdrive but I'm not sure how to mount it, etc
[02:46] <Reblended> dhonn, I'm on another machine here
[02:46] <dhonn> its should automount
[02:46] <Reblended> k and the file I'm copying...?
[02:46] <dhonn> cp /var/log/xorg*
[02:46] <Reblended> k ty
[02:46] <rrfs1> propagandhi but some times the channel change rfcomm connect 0  00:11:9F:CA:2F:29 (1)
[02:47] <tibor> hi, is there anybody to help me to make working my scanner in kubuntu?
[02:47] <flodine> its this the great twiggy
[02:47] <crimsun> thundrcleeze: all you needed to have done was unmute the Audigy Analog/Digital Output Jack
[02:47] <Twiggy> flodine:  bow fucker
[02:47] <flodine> lol
[02:47] <flodine> you the man
[02:47] <Twiggy> ;oD
[02:47] <helio7> thundrcleeze: no, they wouldn't have changed, but you might want to verify that you didn't make a mistake and that your /etc/apt/sources.list actually looks like http://ubuntuguide.org/sample/sources.list_extrarepositories when I update I always get updates
[02:47] <revelater> hey guys, how do i start up the login gui?
[02:47] <berli> anyone had any luck with outgoing SMTP Auth on Hoary?  I get an error "no mechanism available", but i have libsasl2-modules installed with appropriate modules.
[02:47] <dhonn> oops!   its a capital X  /var/log/Xorg*
[02:48] <flodine> twiggy how long on ubuntu now
[02:48] <Twiggy> flodine:  6 months-ish
[02:48] <revelater> I NEED HELP!!
[02:48] <Twiggy> flodine:  I use it on my laptop
[02:48] <propagandhi> rrfs1: how many variations are there?
[02:48] <flodine> man i love it
[02:48] <thundrcleeze> crimsun, we worked through it together for half an hour, muting and unmuting everything, you concluded that I needed to compile new ALSA drivers.
[02:48] <crimsun> berli: ask on u-u
[02:48] <Dethread> revelater, "gdm" I think
[02:48] <crimsun> thundrcleeze: no, not necessary.
[02:48] <revelater> tried that
[02:48] <revelater> something about root
[02:48] <Dethread> revelater, "startx" ?
[02:48] <thundrcleeze> Maybe not, but that's what you said.
[02:48] <dhonn> Reblended cp over the Xorg.conf too
[02:48] <crimsun> thundrcleeze: right, I did say that. But it's not necessary.
[02:48] <revelater> loged me into gnome automatically, i want to get into fluxbox
[02:49] <flodine> i just paid 100 bucks for suse 9.3 and then gave it away
[02:49] <thundrcleeze> crimsun, oh well, as long as it works now.
[02:49] <tibor> flodine, i think suse is better...
[02:49] <thundrcleeze> helio7, I'll check it out, thanks.
[02:49] <flodine> not me
[02:49] <nickrud> revelator, if fluxbox is installed, you should be able to select it from the the login.
[02:49] <Twiggy> flodine:  ewwwwww
[02:49] <flodine> suse nice
[02:49] <Twiggy> flodine:  why give it away?
[02:50] <flodine> to my brother
[02:50] <revelater> nickrud, when i startx i don't get a login
[02:50] <flodine> if i need i can get it
[02:50] <crimsun> revelater: don't use startx, use gdm.
[02:50] <nickrud> revelator, what do you get.
[02:50] <flodine> but right now this works
[02:50] <dhonn> killall gdm guys, then gdm
[02:50] <crimsun> sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[02:50] <dhonn> yea
[02:50] <rrfs1> propagandhi i don't know how many channels have avaible . i don't know how to wright that shell script
[02:50] <dhonn> that too
[02:50] <nickrud> yeah
[02:51] <revelater> crimsun, gives me some error about root, then it doesn't work with sudo
[02:51] <nickrud> gdm thing :)
[02:51] <Reblended> dhonn I believe it mounted, but I've never accessed a usb drive from the prompt... only in the gui
[02:51] <tsume_> yay
[02:51] <dhonn> cd /media/
[02:51] <tibor> in ubuntu i could not to make work skype, in kubuntu i can not to make work my scanner... i should go back to suse, there both work fine
[02:51] <revelater> nickrud: i automatically login into gnome
[02:51] <dhonn> it should be usb0?
[02:51] <dhonn> not sure i dont have a thumbdrive
[02:51] <Reblended> dhonn, ahh, ty ok!
[02:51] <tsume_> I translated the ubuntu pic to a picture I rubbbed out the gangster guy
[02:51] <Dethread> tibor, skype works fine for me
[02:51] <propagandhi> rrfs1: it would be hard without having a little knowledge of the system and shell scripting, but i can reccommend a good guide.
[02:51] <propagandhi> http://linuxcommand.org/writing_shell_scripts.php
[02:51] <tsume_> no more gangster kid on the frontpage for me! :)
[02:52] <nickrud> revelater: down at the bottom, there should be a thing called session. click it, and choose.
[02:52] <tibor> skype works fine in kubuntu only for me
[02:52] <propagandhi> because u need it to probe where the device is at before it runs the command
[02:52] <nickrud> the gdm login screen
[02:52] <revelater> nickrud, it doesn't go into gdm...
[02:52] <crimsun> dhonn: join #flood and paste the output of dmesg |grep ^scsi
[02:52] <nickrud> revelator: dpkg -l gdm, tell me the output
[02:52] <rrfs1> propagandhi yes
[02:53] <ratius> ne1 knows if there is a way for installing a .deb in user mode. Cause when i use dpkg -i  it requires SU privileges
[02:53] <propagandhi> rrfs1:so, how would u normally discover that info
[02:53] <rrfs1>  propagandhi but i have meet 2 cases channel 1 and 3
[02:54] <tibor> in kubuntu i could not make anything with my scsi scanner
[02:54] <crimsun> dhonn: you've plugged in the usb thumbdrive already?
[02:54] <rrfs1> scan ....
[02:54] <kingsley> If one is using a printer that recognizes postscript 3 and pcl 6, should plan text files be converted to ps3 or pcl6?
[02:54] <revelater> nickrud, output looks good
[02:54] <Reblended> dhonn, I can see the light blink on the usb drive, but it isn't listed in /media/
[02:54] <dhonn> crimsun, i dont have a thumb drive Reblended has one, but not sure how to access it
[02:54] <revelater> nickrud, i have it installed
[02:54] <thread> Anyone have experience with wireless? I installed netapplet, I select the network I want to get onto, and ifconfig shows my eth0 with an inet6 addr .. it never seems to get the proper ip from the wireless router
[02:54] <nickrud> at the beginning, says 'ii"
[02:54] <crimsun> dhonn: sorry, I thought you were asking
[02:54] <dhonn> nickrud i think its in /media/
[02:55] <crimsun> Reblended: sudo modprobe sd-mod
[02:55] <Reblended> ty crimsun sec
[02:55] <dhonn> crimsun, doesnt it automount?
[02:55] <revelater> how do i logout?
[02:55] <nickrud> dhonn, what?
[02:55] <dhonn> usb thumbdrive
[02:55] <dhonn> ?
[02:55] <crimsun> revelater: no need to logout to do that
[02:55] <Dethread> joshua__, than
[02:55] <crimsun> dhonn: some don't.
[02:55] <dhonn> plugin play
[02:55] <dhonn> ah
[02:55] <blahrus> anyone know if its possible if the FS is currupt and you try to do a memtest with it, could that make errors?
[02:55] <Reblended> it's pnp if I'm in the gui
[02:56] <revelater> crimsun: i just want to know how to logout
[02:56] <crimsun> revelater: System>Log out
[02:56] <crimsun> blahrus: memtest is for RAM, though
[02:56] <revelater> crimsun, because the fact that i am logged in may be the reason it is skipping the login screen where i can choose a sesion
[02:56] <Dethread> most definitely
[02:56] <blahrus> crimsun: yea I know, but if there was an issue with the file system, and it copies the memtest stuff off of it . . . .
[02:57] <crimsun> blahrus: highly unlikely, it checks itself when it starts
[02:57] <blahrus> like I just got a bunch of unexpected interrupt halting errors
[02:57] <blahrus> great so it looks like I have bad ram
[02:57] <fazer> dcraven: hey, how you doing?
[02:57] <Scuddie> ugh!
[02:58] <Reblended> dhonn, I did sudo modprobe sd-mod and I ls in /media/ and it's empty
[02:58] <thechitowncubs> Hey, where is the cheapest place I can get a complete computer so I can put ubuntu on it
[02:58] <Dethread> thechitowncubs, ebay maybe :)
[02:58] <dhonn> Reblended, crimsun knows more about usb media,  do you have the internet on that computer?
[02:58] <crimsun> Reblended: lsmod|grep ^usb_storage
[02:58] <Reblended> lsmod? ok
[02:59] <nickrud> thechitowncubs: hang out at the dump, you'll find a 586 :)
[02:59] <thechitowncubs> Det: I want one new
[02:59] <Scuddie> Any of you guys know why absolutely every single device I have is always considered busy?
[02:59] <thechitowncubs> I want one that can run ubuntu without any notice of slowwnnes
[02:59] <DoppelGanger> he he
[02:59] <Reblended> dhonn, yes... once I can get my usb working from the prompt on the machine I'm trying to get the install on... =] 
[02:59] <DoppelGanger> slackware
[02:59] <thechitowncubs> Im looking at dells right now, but im thinking it can get cheaper
[02:59] <Dethread> build one yourself
[02:59] <thechitowncubs> its going to be for my dad
[03:00] <thechitowncubs> Det: what do you think the cheapest I can get it
[03:00] <nickrud> thechitowncubs: look for a something better than 1.5G.
[03:00] <crimsun> ain't gonna get much cheaper than a dumpster
[03:00] <blahrus> crimsun: man, memtesting on a gig sucks!
[03:00] <thechitowncubs> IS newegg the cheapest place?
[03:01] <PeprCorn> Can someone tell me how to make all gtk gtk2 and qt uniform in themes??
[03:01] <blahrus> thechitowncubs: the best deal, and great rma
[03:01] <Scuddie> Cheapest, no.  Most reputable, absolutely
[03:01] <Reblended> crimsun, it returned: usb_storage 64064  0
[03:01] <thechitowncubs> pepr: only gtk 2 can handle that
[03:01] <thechitowncubs> Ok, thanks for the tips...
[03:01] <thechitowncubs> I'm probably gonna build one
[03:01] <blahrus> thechitowncubs: you might spend 10 bucsk more, but its worth it
[03:01] <thundrcleeze> nickrud, I'm running it on a 1.0G, hardly any slowness.
[03:01] <PeprCorn> what about the switch app?
[03:01] <Brunellus> is there a complete warty-hoary changelog somewhere?
[03:01] <thundrcleeze> nickrud, though warty was faster.
[03:02] <kingsley> What's a good way to send plain text files to a printer that understands postscript 3 and pcl 6?
[03:02] <jubei1024> how can i find my kernel versoin?
[03:02] <crimsun> Brunellus: yes, see the hoary-changes list
[03:02] <crimsun> jubei1024: uname -r
[03:02] <nickrud> thundrcleeze: I am currently on a 466 celeron. works fine, if you tune it.
[03:02] <jubei1024> tah
[03:02] <Brunellus> crimsun:  right off the main website?
[03:02] <crimsun> Brunellus: lists.ubuntu.com
[03:02] <Scuddie> This AXP 2800+ system I put together for $600 two years ago.
[03:02] <nickrud> cubbie wanted "no" slowness :)
[03:02] <crimsun> Reblended: dmesg |grep ^sd
[03:03] <Scuddie> Back then, considered upper mid-level.
[03:03] <thechitowncubs> time to start a wishlist
[03:03] <thechitowncubs> =D
[03:03] <Reblended>  k
[03:03] <thundrcleeze> thechitowncubs, build your own computer, it'd be cheaper and MUCH better than a dell.
[03:03] <thechitowncubs> aight, i figured
[03:03] <thechitowncubs> what is your guys favorite budget processor?
[03:03] <dhonn> does:   mail email@blah.com -s blah < textfile work?
[03:04] <crimsun> it should, dhonn
[03:04] <Reblended> crimsun, returned a screen full of sda:
[03:04] <Scuddie> thechitowncubs: AthlonXP Barton 3200+
[03:04] <PeprCorn> thechitowncubs: In warty I was able to use switch2 and switch to unify both themes. Hoary seems to not respond to those apps, I installed both throu apt-get
[03:04] <thechitowncubs> Sry PeprCorn, I'm not familiar with that app.
[03:04] <crimsun> Reblended: are you using SATA?
[03:05] <Reblended> crimsun, I believe not?
[03:05] <Reblended> it's a 4 year old laptop
[03:05] <PeprCorn> Has anyone been able to unify both gtk and gtk2 apps with a single theme??
[03:05] <crimsun> Reblended: please join #flood and paste the output of that dmesg|grep ^sd
[03:06] <thechitowncubs> What about mobo's, what is the best linux compatible?
[03:06] <Reblended> crimsun, ok.. I'm going to have to type it out... hang on
[03:06] <monkey89> PeprCorn, bluecurve
[03:07] <crimsun> Reblended: /exec -o dmesg|grep ^sd
[03:07] <nickrud> PeprCorn: not really.
[03:07] <crimsun> Reblended: (in #flood)
[03:07] <nickrud> gtk2-themes-smooth and gtk-themes-smooth is the best I've found.
[03:07] <PeprCorn> monkey89 : bluecurve??
[03:07] <PeprCorn> did you apt-get it??
[03:08] <blahrus> PeprCorn: is it possible?
[03:08] <nickrud> yup.
[03:08] <monkey89> PeprCorn, red hat's theme, has both a gtk1 and gtk2 engine.  there's a howto in the warty doc forums
[03:08] <monkey89> (i forgot this was ubuntu, hehe... was about to say emerge it)
[03:08] <Scuddie> thechitowncubs:  Check this out. http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproductdesc.asp?description=13-130-475&DEPA=1
[03:08] <thr1ce> anyone run xfce on ubuntu ?
[03:08] <crimsun> yes
[03:08] <goldfish> i do
[03:08] <goldfish> it rock
[03:09] <goldfish> s
[03:09] <thechitowncubs> i can
[03:09] <thr1ce> does it run pretty well ?
[03:09] <thechitowncubs> scuddie, is that what you use?
[03:09] <crimsun> Reblended: ok. Try: pmount /dev/sda1 something
[03:09] <Reblended> something? Lol
[03:09] <crimsun> thr1ce: runs fine on my P2/266
[03:09] <thr1ce> pmount... ?
[03:09] <thr1ce> just mount
[03:09] <crimsun> thr1ce: no, pmount.
[03:09] <thr1ce> mount /dev/sda1
[03:09] <thechitowncubs> is an mx440 sufficient?
[03:09] <thr1ce> I've never heard of pmount....no man page
[03:09] <fazer> thr1ce: i have a p2/366 laptop and it runs smooth, you might have to edit your xorg.conf though
[03:09] <Reblended> crimsun, you actually want me to type something?
[03:10] <KarlosII> if I want to copy all the contents while preserving attributes and symbolic links to another partition, what command parameters would I use for cp ?
[03:10] <crimsun> Reblended: yes
[03:10] <Reblended> lol ok!
[03:10] <thechitowncubs> GeForce mx440 64mb gfx card?
[03:10] <Scuddie> thechitowncubs: That's the successor to what I have.  And what I have is VERY nice.
[03:10] <crimsun> Reblended: or just replace "something" with whatever string you want
[03:10] <thr1ce> fazer, for?  I have an athlon 2100, gig of ram, radeon 9700 pro
[03:10] <thechitowncubs> Great, thanks scuddie
[03:10] <blahrus> thechitowncubs: yea it will be fine, wont be able to game the newest and greatest
[03:10] <Scuddie> thechitowncubs: Absolutely not!
[03:10] <Scuddie> Do not get that card!
[03:10] <thechitowncubs> It won't be used for gaming at all
[03:10] <fazer> thr1ce: ooh, I thought you had low-end system, my bad.
[03:10] <thechitowncubs> I need a budget machine
[03:10] <blahrus> thechitowncubs: then you are find
[03:10] <blahrus> fine*
[03:10] <thr1ce> fazer, hehe
[03:11] <Scuddie> Well, even then it would be better to get a GeForce4 Ti 4200
[03:11] <monkey89> <3 ti4200
[03:11] <thechitowncubs> lol
[03:11] <Reblended> crimsun,  I love it!  ty
[03:11] <zenrox> or a ti4800se
[03:11] <thr1ce> ok...anyone think of a reason for me to not switch from slack to ubuntu ?
[03:11] <monkey89> that thing does so well
[03:11] <crimsun> Reblended: np
[03:11] <fazer> crimsun: can you suggest a good and lightweight IDE for PHP (and Python)?
[03:11] <Scuddie> Or maybe an ATi 9600 SE
[03:11] <crimsun> fazer: no, but google can
[03:11] <monkey89> fazer, I can, bluefish
[03:11] <GUISlave> wow
[03:11] <thechitowncubs> I don't even think they sell ti's at newegg
[03:11] <Zugot> fazer: quanta?  lol
[03:12] <farruinn> what's the name of the partitioner in the installer?
[03:12] <Scuddie> ti4200 is hard to find, yeah.
[03:12] <blahrus> parted?
[03:12] <Reblended> crimsun, if I wanted to rename something to something1 what do I type?
[03:12] <fazer> monkey89: ah yeah, thats what I have currently, I was thinking a little lighter than that ;)
[03:12] <Zugot> ebay
[03:12] <Scuddie> That's why I said 9600 SE
[03:12] <thr1ce> wtf is pmount
[03:12] <farruinn> blahrus: thanks :)
[03:12] <monkey89> fazer, doesn't get much lighter... gedit? :)
[03:12] <fazer> monkey89: hehe
[03:12] <thr1ce> is that ubuntu specific ?
[03:12] <fazer> monkey89: gedit has syntax highlighthing?
[03:12] <monkey89> fazer, yeah
[03:12] <thechitowncubs> the 3200 is a little pricey for my budget
[03:12] <fazer> monkey89: ah, thanks
[03:13] <Scuddie> Thechitrowncubs:  How much are you aiming to spend?
[03:13] <thechitowncubs> i just realized it, my wishlist is adding up
[03:13] <mkrenz> Where is the iptables rule file kept in ubuntu?
[03:13] <thr1ce> /etc/rc.d ?
[03:13] <nickrud> farruinn: cfdisk
[03:13] <thechitowncubs> ~275-350 if possible
[03:13] <thechitowncubs> Dollars...
[03:13] <blahrus> thechitowncubs: you can alwasy check out www.pricewatch.com
[03:13] <Scuddie> You're not going to pull it off.
[03:13] <thechitowncubs> Scuddie: why do you say that?
[03:13] <Scuddie> It's best if you buy used
[03:13] <Scuddie> Because I've been doing this for five years.
[03:13] <crimsun> Reblended: you pumount /dev/sda1, then pmount /dev/sda1 something1
[03:13] <JoshuaSydney> i have problem with x server (graphic card) ... anyone can help?
[03:14] <thechitowncubs> That's a hassle...
[03:14] <Scuddie> That figure is just too low, unless you are upgrading.
[03:14] <thechitowncubs> buy used from where, ebay?
[03:14] <blahrus> NOT ebay
[03:14] <thechitowncubs> lol
[03:14] <Scuddie> You can check refurbished items
[03:14] <thechitowncubs> then where...
[03:14] <thechitowncubs> oh ya...
[03:14] <Reblended> crimsun, thx
[03:14] <crimsun> thr1ce: no, it's used in Debian, too.
[03:15] <thr1ce> crimsun, what is it ?
[03:15] <Reblended> dhonn, where do I find the Xorg.conf file? I've cp'd the other two
[03:15] <thechitowncubs> believe me... right now my dad is running a 465mhz 128mb machine, and he uses it a lot
[03:15] <crimsun> thr1ce: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/utils/pmount
[03:15] <thechitowncubs> It doesn't really need to be an afterburner
[03:15] <dhonn> /var/log/Xorg*
[03:15] <fazer> monkey89: thanks, I just wished that gedit supported gnome-vfs
[03:15] <thr1ce> crimsun, aaaaah...sorry :
[03:15] <JoshuaSydney> guys, how to fix x server if it doesn't detect my video card.?
[03:15] <nickrud> thechitowncubs: just put 512k in it it will work.
[03:15] <monkey89> fazer, um... I'd have to imagine it does, since its a gnome application...
[03:15] <thr1ce> joshua__, what card ?
[03:15] <Scuddie> I might be able to make one for 400.  Does that seem reasonable to you?
[03:15] <Reblended> dhonn, tx
[03:16] <fazer> monkey89: strange, because I can't see my FTP in there...
[03:16] <IIIEars> is there an automated disk imaging script app for linux?
[03:16] <monkey89> fazer, I was able to open up documents directly over ssh, so I think it works
[03:16] <JoshuaSydney> ummm its actually pretty old card, and im not sure about the brand, any ways to find out? type command..?
[03:16] <thechitowncubs> I think I convinced him he could survive on linux quite easily since all he does is Outlook (evolution), Quicken (comes in a linux version), Word (Open Office)
[03:16] <fazer> monkey89: strange, bluefish sees it but gedit doesn't =(
[03:16] <thechitowncubs> 400 still sounds pricey
[03:16] <monkey89> fazer, not sure...
[03:16] <Brunellus> whoa, there's a linux quicken?
[03:16] <Brunellus> I didn't know that.
[03:16] <thechitowncubs> Even though it really isn't...
[03:16] <monkey89> thechitowncubs, there's no linux quicken, but theres gnucash
[03:16] <thechitowncubs> There IS a linux quicken
[03:17] <monkey89> but you could get crossover office
[03:17] <monkey89> prove it. :)
[03:17] <Scuddie> Not compared to the 1200 Dell would charfge for it.
[03:17] <mkrenz> Ok, on Fedora its at /etc/sysconfig/iptables, on Gentoo its at /var/lib/iptables/rules.whatever   WHere is it on Ubuntu?
[03:17] <Brunellus> link me to the linux quicken
[03:17] <Scuddie> charge, even.
[03:17] <nickrud> Brunellus: guncash, double entry bookkeeping
[03:17] <Brunellus> I'm intrigued.
[03:17] <nickrud> gnucash :)
[03:17] <crimsun> mkrenz: /var/lib/iptables/
[03:17] <JoshuaSydney> im not sure about the card's brand... can i find out by typing up something.../?
[03:17] <thechitowncubs> oh fack... i forgot, it was only a mac version
[03:17] <monkey89> hehe
[03:17] <JoshuaSydney> ...
[03:18] <crimsun> JoshuaSydney: what type of video card?
[03:18] <nickrud> Brunellus: reports suck, but it keeps _good_ books
[03:18] <thechitowncubs> SHIAT, that craps out the whole plan
[03:18] <thr1ce> lspci
[03:18] <JoshuaSydney> it's a PCI video card
[03:18] <JoshuaSydney> not sure about the brand though..
[03:18] <Reblended> dhonn, pastebin.com/272597
[03:18] <JoshuaSydney> i think it's cirrus logic
[03:18] <crimsun> JoshuaSydney: lspci -v  => pastebin.com
[03:18] <thechitowncubs> Ahhhh
[03:18] <JoshuaSydney> something like dat
[03:18] <thr1ce> what kernel is breezy using ?
[03:18] <Dethread> ah, imagine a world without coffee
[03:18] <mkrenz> crimsun, Well, I don't have that directory, but I have iptables installed.  And speaking of which, I also don't have /etc/init.d/iptables or anything like that.  So I'm not sure whether I'm missing some package or what.
[03:18] <flodine> can someone tell me why flux dont look right in ubuntu
[03:18] <crimsun> thr1ce: the same as Hoary, 2.6.10-34
[03:18] <delltony> question, i know i have asked this before but wasn't too clear on it so here goes. i have a pc with a dialup modem i'm trying to setup with the latest hoary. i currently have array 5 on it but want to upgrade it to the 5.04 released. i also have a highspeed internet connection but that computer doesn't have a nic for it. In any event, what would be the easiest way to upgrade that computer? i know i can use (this computer, highspeed
[03:18] <delltony> one) and type apt-get install -d dist-upgrade but the thing is it will check to see if i have the latest on this system and i do. any suggestions on this?
[03:18] <flodine> can someone tell me why flux dont look right in ubuntu
[03:18] <crimsun> flodine: exec gnome-settings-daemon &
[03:18] <thr1ce> crimsun, no 2.6.11 yet ?
[03:18] <thechitowncubs> Dethread: I'm living it right now.
[03:19] <blahrus> delltony: download the hoary iso
[03:19] <crimsun> thr1ce: our 2.6.10-34 has a bunch of patches from 2.6.11+
[03:19] <nickrud> deltony: you must look at apt-zip
[03:19] <thechitowncubs> Quicken needs a linux version
[03:19] <thr1ce> crimsun, just that 2.6.11 isn't stable enough yet ?
[03:19] <blahrus> delltony: and put it in the arrary 5 computer and should pop up with an option to upgrade
[03:19] <JoshuaSydney> i got it
[03:19] <delltony> aww good deal
[03:19] <delltony> thats what i need
[03:19] <DoppelGanger> flodine: because ubuntu sucks he eh
[03:19] <crimsun> thr1ce: it's just that 2.6.11 wasn't worth it. We're working off 2.6.12rc currently.
[03:19] <thr1ce> crimsun, you're a developer?
[03:20] <flodine> why you here then
[03:20] <JoshuaSydney> Silicon Integrated Systems SG86C205
[03:20] <Scuddie> thechitowncubs, I'm working on a machine.  I should have a cheapie one in a few minutes.
[03:20] <blahrus> he acts like one ;)
[03:20] <crimsun> thr1ce: MOTU and kernel stuff, much more the former
[03:20] <DoppelGanger> flodine: to laugh at the ridiculous questions
[03:20] <Reblended> dhonn, the conf file went unfound
[03:20] <thr1ce> crimsun, ok; I'm just curious; I'm a slack user debating switching to ubuntu
[03:20] <dhonn> /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[03:20] <blahrus> delltony: how its works :)
[03:20] <blahrus> hope*
[03:21] <delltony> it should if not i can always start over
[03:21] <JoshuaSydney> crimsun: how do you get the specific driver / anyways to start up this SIS device to work properly?
[03:21] <thechitowncubs> Scuddie: sweet, let me know
[03:21] <delltony> nothing and i do mean nothing is worse than a gentoo 5 day install
[03:21] <flodine> you know you love ubuntu
[03:21] <crimsun> thr1ce: Xfce in Hoary is the work of our team.
[03:21] <delltony> if i can get thru that the rest is easy :P
[03:21] <thr1ce> crimsun, I use it in slack mostly
[03:21] <crimsun> JoshuaSydney: sec
[03:21] <JoshuaSydney> thx
[03:22] <thr1ce> crimsun, I also like fluxbox...gnome is nice, but bloated IMO
[03:22] <thread> who wants to help me diagnose this wireless issue? The long post from "thetourist" just past halfway down on this thread is my problem: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1129&page=2&pp=10
[03:22] <thread> ifup on my wireless card causes the dhcp to time out
[03:22] <ratius> hi guys i'm having some problems with apache i just installed, when i do /etc/init.d/apache2 start it doesnt work, ne1 has an idea?
[03:22] <ratius> root@ubuntu:/etc/init.d # /etc/init.d/apache2 start
[03:22] <ratius>  * Starting web server (Apache2)...
[03:22] <ratius> Syntax error on line 219 of /etc/apache2/httpd.conf:
[03:22] <ratius>  *dule access_module is built-in and can't be loaded                     [fail] 
[03:22] <nickrud> and the XFCE work was not trivial, although I'll probably not use it :)
[03:22] <IIIEars> Thrice is still using his zx-80
[03:22] <ratius> :/
[03:22] <dragoon> can anyne tell me how to setup ADSL on the Live CD ?
[03:22] <Reblended> dhonn, k
[03:23] <thechitowncubs> Quicken is an absolute must... how hard is wine to get working under hoary?
[03:23] <monkey89> its not hard, but crossover office might be a better bet
[03:23] <thr1ce> zx-80 ?
[03:23] <monkey89> for official support
[03:23] <Reblended> dhonn, I need to learn the "find" command
[03:23] <DoppelGanger> ha ha windows dependency
[03:23] <thechitowncubs> That costs more money =D
[03:23] <nintendo_> hello
[03:23] <delltony> curious when will the first batch of cds be shipped i'm waiting to add mine to my plaque of linux cds :)
[03:23] <thr1ce> i have a very good system
[03:23] <nickrud> thr1ce: something we could buy and assemble in the early 80's
[03:23] <SeamusLP> thechitowncubs:  Crossover office has excellent quicken support I hear
[03:23] <dhonn> locate xorg.conf
[03:23] <Reblended> dhonn, ooh, ty
[03:23] <thechitowncubs> Yep, thats what it comes down to, Quicken is the app our bank uses and it grabs it from the web
[03:23] <thechitowncubs> ok... i'll read
[03:24] <monkey89> there's a trial for cxoffice
[03:24] <thr1ce> athlon 2100, 1 gig of ram, radeon 9700 pro, actually
[03:24] <djm62> thechitowncubs: get the bank to refund your costs ;)
[03:24] <nintendo_> for god's sake, please give me few reasons why to _USE_ ubuntu linux?!
[03:24] <monkey89> its free :)
[03:24] <nintendo_> lol
[03:24] <Dethread> easy to install
[03:24] <Dethread> that was the main reason for me
[03:24] <nickrud> thr1ce: zx-80 : 1mhz cpu, 48k ram
[03:24] <monkey89> frequent updates, very easy to install, pretty nice look
[03:24] <djm62> it's free, you might like it, if you don't you can get rid of it
[03:24] <SeamusLP> Because if you do not monkeys with chainsaws will assault you
[03:24] <delltony> around 1 hour to install compaired to gentoo 5 days
[03:24] <delltony> thats enough reason for me
[03:24] <thr1ce> aah
[03:24] <monkey89> gentoo is not 5 days :P
[03:24] <monkey89> but lets not get into that
[03:24] <delltony> bull
[03:25] <thr1ce> IIIEars, thanks; my system is actually likely quicker than yours
[03:25] <delltony> it took me 5 days to emerge stage 1 to stage 3
[03:25] <housetier> nintendo_ I like it, so you must use it as well. you have no choice
[03:25] <ratius> can anyone help me with apache?
[03:25] <nickrud> thr1ce: don't knock it, it was my first computer :)
[03:25] <fazer> hmm, xmms can't play shoutcast?
[03:25] <monkey89> fazer, can for me, but I think you have to save the pls file and then open it as a playlist
[03:25] <djm62> nintendo_: what do you need to do? what are your priorities when choosing an OS?
[03:25] <thechitowncubs> Breakthrough: have the old shittay computer sitting in the house somewhere for quicken and whatever else
[03:25] <thechitowncubs> lol
[03:25] <thechitowncubs> im a genius
[03:25] <fazer> monkey89: yeah, thats what I did...but it just doesn't play it =(
[03:25] <dazed> sup sup
[03:26] <monkey89> not sure then.. sorry
[03:26] <benz240> need suggestions of songs similar to Metallica's One
[03:26] <nintendo_> djm62: i'm just doing some collective ubuntu-bashing with few friends.. i just wanted to hear few reasons from ubuntu users ;-)
[03:26] <benz240> at least, something with that kind of awesome shredding at the end
[03:26] <djm62> benz240: speaking as a fan...most metallica songs
[03:26] <thr1ce> do you think ubuntu will fine my slack install, and I can just format that ?
[03:26] <dazed> hows everyone tonight?
[03:26] <benz240> most of the stuff on the black album?
[03:26] <benz240> damn i need that one
[03:26] <djm62> nintendo_: ubuntu is good at what it is
[03:26] <thr1ce> AND, does ubuntu offer reiserFS!
[03:26] <thechitowncubs> Scuddie: hows that PC coming along
[03:26] <SeamusLP> nintendo_:  I think my reason was the most compelling
[03:27] <crimsun> thr1ce: all the standard FSes are supported.
[03:27] <thr1ce> ?
[03:27] <djm62> benz240: also master of puppets...short but brilliant
[03:27] <Dethread> nintendo_, I think there's nothing amazingly special about Ubuntu...I like it because it installed easily and without problems on my laptop and wireless, printing etc. was working right away
[03:27] <Scuddie> Almost done.
[03:27] <xmms> hi, does Ubuntu support updating music on my ipod shuffle ?
[03:27] <benz240> djm: ok thanks ill check it out
[03:27] <Scuddie> Do you need a new monitor?
[03:27] <thr1ce> crimsun, do you think it'll find my slack install so I can just format that and not have to mess with fdisc ?
[03:27] <PacoBCN> One question. If Firestarter manages the iptables, if I add some custom ip blocking will that be ignored?
[03:27] <Dethread> xmms, get gtkpod
[03:27] <robertj> xmms: yeah
[03:27] <thr1ce> s/fdisc/cfdisk
[03:27] <djm62> xmms: I think it does, with gnupod
[03:27] <crimsun> thr1ce: sure, though you'll want to use Expert mode
[03:27] <robertj> xmms: you don't need gtkpod, it works fine in Rhythmbox
[03:27] <thr1ce> gnupod; gtkpod is actually best
[03:27] <nintendo_> Dethread: well, it's just about simplicity?
[03:27] <Dethread> don't use gnupod, use gtkpod
[03:27] <kyncani> nintendo_: ubuntu is for me what debian testing should have always been, stable, with security updates, and debian packaging quality
[03:28] <Dethread> nintendo_, I wouldn't use it as a server
[03:28] <robertj> make sure you ahve installed the mp3 plugin and drag the files from your library to your shuffle
[03:28] <djm62> xmms: or gtkpod...
[03:28] <thr1ce> crimsun, really?  I've never done a text install before
[03:28] <ratius> can anyone help me with apache, im stuck :/
[03:28] <robertj> Ubuntu is fine for a server
[03:28] <robertj> ratius: what's the problem?
[03:28] <nintendo_> Dethread: me neither ;)
[03:28] <fazer> has anyone here ever built a laptop from spare parts?!
[03:28] <thr1ce> crimsun, how rough is the expert install ?
[03:28] <djm62> anyone used gtkpod with a shuffle recently? or indeed tried the "ipod" icon in rhythmbox?
[03:28] <rvg|afk> rofl nintendo_
[03:28] <xmms> Dethread,robertj,djm62, thx, So that I can KILL format my M$ XP, lol, the ipod suport is the only last question I care about.
[03:29] <nintendo_> ;-)
[03:29] <djm62> xmms: before you kill, test...
[03:29] <thr1ce> xmms, yes; gtkpod works wonderfully
[03:29] <dragoon> q
[03:29] <dragoon> q
[03:29] <dragoon> quit
[03:29] <xmms> :)
[03:29] <robertj> xmms: my wife has a shuffle, it works fine with no configuration other than making sure you install the mp3 librarys needed for gstreamer
[03:29] <djm62> xmms: it doesn't work if you can't use it...however good it is
[03:30] <JDahl> thr1ce, the expert install is quite intuitive, also for casual users I would think
[03:30] <robertj> I imagine that you could probably manage to move the files on there without them but why bother trying
[03:30] <Dethread> djm62, I used gtkpod today
[03:30] <Dethread> with my shuffle
[03:30] <crimsun> JoshuaSydney: use the sis driver.
[03:30] <thr1ce> JDahl, if i've managed a slack install, expert shouldn't be a problem ?
[03:30] <nintendo_> well thanks for the answers folks... ;-)
[03:30] <djm62> robertj: the ipod has a database on it...you can put the songs on but not play them without
[03:30] <Resonant> Im command line. gnupod "for life yo"
[03:30] <robertj> djm52: rhythmbox does the database
[03:30] <Resonant> NETSPLIT
[03:30] <Resonant> W0)T
[03:30] <Dethread> yay
[03:30] <thr1ce> woah
[03:30] <blahrus> hahah irc split?
[03:30] <crimsun> thr1ce: the expert mode just asks more questions as applicable.
[03:30] <Resonant> GOGO netsplit!
[03:30] <crimsun> thr1ce: it's not any more difficult
[03:31] <thr1ce> crimsun, ok
[03:31] <JDahl> thr1ce, if you have previous Linux experience, I think expert install is fine for you
[03:31] <blahrus> hahah
[03:31] <blahrus> that was fun
[03:31] <Resonant> Hahah
[03:31] <Resonant> Awesome.
[03:31] <dazed> what the hell is a netsplit?
[03:31] <thr1ce> crimsun, so it should detect my swap/reiserFS install, allow me to format, and install standard ubuntu
[03:31] <blahrus> streling went down!
[03:31] <LinearX> Anyone using the pptp-config GUI to configure pptp connections?
[03:31] <blahrus> hahah
[03:31] <blahrus> wb everyone
[03:31] <crimsun> thr1ce: using expert mode, yes.
[03:31] <Resonant> dazed: Where an IRC server goes down, tons of people get kicked
[03:31] <robertj> anyway
[03:31] <robertj> djm52: rhythmbox does the database
[03:31] <djm62> robertj: cheers...nice to know
[03:31] <thr1ce> crimsun, and then I can set repositories to breezy, and run bleeding edge stuff?  :)
[03:31] <djm62> my bro has one
[03:31] <dazed> Resonant: ahh ok
[03:31] <robertj> so drag from the library onto the ipod icon, and thats pretty much it
[03:31] <RastaMahata> i do an apt-get upgrade and I'm unable to get libavcodeccvs libpostproc0!!! HELP! :(
[03:32] <crimsun> thr1ce: you'd be a bit overboard to do that currently, but yes.
[03:32] <thr1ce> crimsun, what do you mean?  is breezy not worth working with ?
[03:32] <crimsun> RastaMahata: you need debian-marillat testing
[03:32] <robertj> Rasta: do an apt-get update first
[03:32] <RastaMahata> crimsun, oh :P
[03:32] <djm62> night all
[03:32] <crimsun> thr1ce: breezy is very rough about the edges. Currently we're just syncing from Sid.
[03:32] <fazer> monkey89: xmms is saying that its just connecting to the server, but the other media player plays it fine...
[03:32] <RastaMahata> crimsun, there it is.. weird :(
[03:33] <RastaMahata> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main
[03:33] <thr1ce> crimsun, I like running updated software...well, at least with a few apps; am I allowed to pick and choose ?
[03:33] <Resonant> USB-Stick support is broken in Breezy. AKA Thumbdrives, iPods, etc
[03:33] <Resonant> I think printing still works IIRC
[03:33] <PacoBCN> Ouch!
[03:33] <thr1ce> crimsun, like...lets say a new Gaim comes out; must I be running breezy to upgrade, or will it be available in hoary too ?
[03:33] <GUISlave> wtf?
[03:33] <Resonant> Haha.
[03:33] <crimsun> it's not broken
[03:33] <RexM> i'm here
[03:33] <nickrud> and welcome back:
[03:33] <Resonant> You want some ketchup with that netsplit?
[03:34] <knucks> how do i add data to a cd i created before in ubuntu?
[03:34] <thr1ce> crimsun, like...lets say a new Gaim comes out; must I be running breezy to upgrade, or will it be available in hoary too ?
[03:34] <nickrud> freenode is doing some stuff, just ignore.
[03:34] <PacoBCN> It hurted...
[03:34] <Resonant> How is it not broken?
[03:34] <Resonant> I can't get it to work
[03:34] <Brazmetal> what is the file where we put the dns addresses?
[03:34] <knucks> i never finalized that cd...
[03:34] <IIIEars> Ubuntu - has done away with my windows printserver Yippee! (clicks heels)
[03:34] <benz240> HOLY SHIT
[03:34] <xmms> nickrud, thx,
[03:34] <crimsun> Resonant: sudo modprobe sd-mod
[03:34] <Resonant> Thanks crim.
[03:34] <monkey89> thr1ce, afaik, if its an important security update, you'll get it
[03:34] <benz240> OMFG WHAT IS GOING ON
[03:34] <knucks> help?
[03:34] <IIIEars> linux for everything but Doom3 - lol
[03:34] <benz240> HAHAHAHAHAHA PWNAGE
[03:34] <Resonant> HAY GUYZ WHATS GOIN ON IN THIS THREAD?
[03:34] <Resonant> benz240, its a netsplit.
[03:34] <blahrus> benz240: netsplit
[03:35] <benz240> THEY DROPPIN LIKE FLIES
[03:35] <crimsun> thr1ce: Breezy.
[03:35] <knucks> anyone?
[03:35] <PacoBCN> Wow, 3 porn movies in open broadcast in Spanish TV...
[03:35] <PacoBCN> :)
[03:35] <senator32> i configue my wireless card but all i ever get is it trying to get an IPv6 adress
[03:35] <benz240> WTF
[03:35] <senator32> help
[03:35] <thr1ce> crimsun, and you think i'll run into problems using breezy ?
[03:35] <dazed> ur tellin me
[03:35] <crimsun> thr1ce: since Hoary released, it receives only security updates essentially.
[03:35] <nickrud> netsplit: geek speak for things will break
[03:35] <fazer> dazed: hey, whats new?
[03:35] <robertj> thin: defiantely
[03:35] <DoppelGanger> pussycat
[03:35] <dazed> fazer: hey not much what about urself
[03:35] <DoppelGanger> doh
[03:35] <knucks> anyone? please
[03:35] <dazed> is breezy preview out?
[03:35] <crimsun> thr1ce: I'm one of many working hard to try and make that transition smooth.
[03:35] <robertj> stuff will break all  the time in breezy for the next 4 months
[03:35] <benz240> HOLY SHIT
[03:35] <crimsun> dazed: good lord, Hoary _just_ released.
[03:35] <fazer> dazed: good good, got ubuntu config'ed and what not.
[03:35] <senator32> can i have someone to help me
[03:36] <socratesone> senator, what do you need help with?
[03:36] <thechitowncubs> scuddie, done yet?
[03:36] <dazed> crimsun: well someone said "will that work on breezy" thought it mighta been out
[03:36] <thr1ce> crimsun, if i'm only using it for desktop (no server stuff, etc.); will I notice anything?
[03:36] <dazed> lol
[03:36] <senator32> i need to configur my WiFi adapter so it can connect to my 128bit wep
[03:36] <dazed> fazer: nice ... no problems ihope
[03:36] <Resonant> Im on breezy, just edit and apt-get update and dist-upgrade if you feel inclined for your wrists to bleed
[03:36] <fazer> dazed: nope, not much.
[03:36] <dazed> good good
[03:36] <crimsun> thr1ce: there are some new versions of something, yes, but I'd hold off for a couple weeks.
[03:36] <RastaMahata> crimsun, you dont get an error upgrading?
[03:36] <Reblended> dhonn, I cp'd the xorg.conf file and it doesn't show up in the directory of the other machine! the log files copied ok though...
[03:36] <xmms> nickrud, Maybe I should try a LiveCD first.
[03:36] <benz240> WTF IS GOING ON
[03:36] <jubei1024> with the kernel version 2.6.10-5-686 does the -5 on the end refer to the patches that have been applied to the source?
[03:36] <root> \
[03:37] <crimsun> RastaMahata: no, but I'm also not on Hoary.
[03:37] <senator32> it trys now but wants a ipv6 add not an IPv4
[03:37] <knucks> no one knows?
[03:37] <benz240> are you kidding me
[03:37] <RastaMahata> oh
[03:37] <mainer> thrice: use the custom partitin option,you'll be all set(manual partiton),very nice
[03:37] <nickrud> xmms: it'll tell you if all your stuff is recognised.
[03:37] <Reblended> dhonn, I did ls the drive before I removed it to make sure it was on there; it was
[03:37] <benz240>                                                                WTF IS GOING ON
[03:37] <monkey89> benz240, calm down.
[03:37] <thr1ce> crimsun, hm...ok; but after that, it's generally pretty stable?  I run slackware -current, which is also a "pre=release beta" , but find it to be pretty stable as well
[03:37] <dhonn> hmm
[03:37] <benz240> haha this is nuts
[03:37] <dhonn> it should be there
[03:37] <knucks> anyone? please...
[03:37] <RastaMahata> who here is on hoary and get an error upgrading through apt-get with marillat repositories?
[03:37] <dhonn> you might have to remount?
[03:37] <crimsun> thr1ce: yes, it's actually fine right now, but I'd hold off just to be safe.
[03:37] <Reblended> dhonn, I even cp'ed it to xorgconf.txt ...
[03:37] <dazed> whats wrong knucks?
[03:37] <knucks> i want to add files to my cd-r disc
[03:37] <Resonant> benz240, it stopped 5 minutes ago man. Calm down.
[03:37] <Reblended> dhonn, ok
[03:37] <benz240> dude, this thing is just scrolling text like crazy
[03:38] <Resonant> ...Its IRC
[03:38] <benz240> its like IRC on speed
[03:38] <Scuddie> Awww!!!
[03:38] <Reblended> dhonn, every time I unplug the drive I have to remount
[03:38] <dazed> knucks:  i highly suggest getting k3b much easier
[03:38] <Resonant> What the hell do you expect it to do?
[03:38] <Scuddie> Lame!
[03:38] <benz240> FINALLY it stopped
[03:38] <thr1ce> crimsun, hm...interesting; any reason you can think of to not switch from a slack install?  :P
[03:38] <IIIEars> Breezy will be selinux? - very cool!
[03:38] <knucks> dazed: i have gnomebaker..
[03:38] <Scuddie> Newegg's RPC service just went down!
[03:38] <dazed> knucks: ahh ok
[03:38] <benz240> haha sorry i thought i was the only person in here
[03:38] <crimsun> thr1ce: that choice is entirely yours.
[03:38] <nickrud> thr1ce: a good point to consider changing is when mono 1.1.x makes it into breezy, That's when things will get interesting.
[03:38] <thr1ce> crimsun, hehe, I know :
[03:38] <Reblended> dhonn, well, thx.. that's all the fun I get to have for now.. thx for all the help. and you too crimsun
[03:38] <crimsun> Reblended: np
[03:38] <thechitowncubs> LOL, damnit
[03:39] <thr1ce> nickrud, i'm not familiar with mono...?
[03:39] <knucks> but i already put files on that cd..
[03:39] <knucks> never finalized em
[03:39] <knucks> so i want to add more now
[03:39] <nickrud> think microsoft .net
[03:39] <crimsun> there are already 1.1.6 prepackages for Sid, so it's only a matter of time for Breezy.
[03:39] <nickrud> I think beagle.
[03:39] <Scuddie> Well, crap.  I had a nice one too.  I was almost finished, I think I could have gotten it for close to 360 bucks.
[03:39] <crimsun> (I'm actually using them on my Sid machine)
[03:39] <thr1ce> nickrud, what will it be used for ?
[03:39] <fazer> crimsun: hey, i still haven't figured HOW I was able to get sound working in this machine =/
[03:40] <bretzel> Hi all, Q: and I am really pissed off! I have just installed a SATA hard drive and re-installed haory and... errors-horrors: The drive is not initialized, even though RAID stuff is successfull. I am in windows XP which installed well before hoary!!! Thus my harddisk can't be used with hoary!
[03:40] <crimsun> fazer: ...ok
[03:40] <fazer> crimsun: anyways, thanks for your help though
[03:40] <nickrud> thrice, beagle indexes all your stuff so you can find it; crimsun; really in sid ? (haven't updated since mid march )
[03:40] <Scuddie> ok, it's back up again
[03:40] <knucks> any way to do this?
[03:41] <crimsun> nickrud: no, not in sid, in the debian-mono repo
[03:41] <crimsun> works fine with breezy, too
[03:41] <nickrud> crimsum, thx.
[03:41] <thr1ce> ok...anyone think of a reason as to why switching from slack is bad?
[03:41] <thr1ce> I heard I will see a speed decrease... ?
[03:41] <robertj> thrice: no, you might find you have more free time
[03:41] <robertj> which is a hazard for most people running slack
[03:41] <knucks> anyone ever burned a cd in ubuntu?
[03:41] <thr1ce> which I find hard to believe, seeing as i'm going from 2.4 to a 2.6
[03:41] <nickrud> robertj, thri1ce :)
[03:41] <knucks> one that uve burned before but want to add to it
[03:42] <robertj> also it might lead to feeling uneeded
[03:42] <bretzel> Hi all, Q: and I am really pissed off! I have just installed a SATA hard drive and re-installed haory and... errors-horrors: The drive is not initialized, even though RAID stuff is successfull. I am in windows XP which installed well before hoary!!! Thus my harddisk can't be used with hoary!
[03:42] <thr1ce> robertj, i'm sick of compiling stuff :(
[03:42] <crimsun> sure, obviously slack is for hardcore lunix users, so you might find you have a smaller ego. ;p
[03:42] <crimsun> j/k
[03:42] <thr1ce> oh; on a debian system, can I build deb packs (er...ubuntu packs) from source without compiling ?
[03:42] <thr1ce> lets say I can't find it in a repository
[03:42] <robertj> thr1ce: you can but you don't need to probably
[03:42] <GUISlave> There's always slapt-get right?
[03:42] <thr1ce> GUISlave, if you want to ruin your box, yes
[03:43] <crimsun> ...build debs from source without compiling?
[03:43] <GUISlave> lol
[03:43] <thr1ce> GUISlave, slapt-get is really bad at dependencies
[03:43] <crimsun> unless there's some magic I don't know about, no.
[03:43] <nickrud> thr!ce: that is the _exact_ reason I settled on debian sid, and have hopes for ubuntu.
[03:43] <GUISlave> I put a slackware box on the net once and it got hacked pretty bad.  I was brand new at the time.
[03:43] <robertj> th1ce: apt-src is better
[03:43] <GUISlave> No fault of slack, just didn't know what I was doing.
[03:43] <PacoBCN> Question, how can I block ips at eth* layer?
[03:43] <robertj> I think there is an apt-get build-deps as well
[03:43] <dottedquad> what is the package file to add a website?
[03:43] <thr1ce> eh...this box is pretty damn secure
[03:43] <Scuddie> thechitowncubs:  do you need dvd capabilities?
[03:43] <dhonn> sometimes i install one package, and when i use apt-get remove package it wants to remove all its dependencies as well, how do i prevent this?
[03:43] <thr1ce> good iptables, up to date everything
[03:44] <crimsun> PacoBCN: you can block IPs at the IP layer. You'd block MAC addresses at the Ethernet layer.
[03:44] <GUISlave> I don't think slack is secure out of the box though
[03:44] <GUISlave> Ubuntu is
[03:44] <zoroman> Hi, does anybody knows how to mount a compact flash in a PCMCIA adapter?
[03:44] <GUISlave> Hoary
[03:44] <thr1ce> GUISlave, well, depends how you set up your install
[03:44] <thr1ce> GUISlave, i rid of alot of services I don't use
[03:44] <calc> zoroman: just push it into the adapter
[03:44] <GUISlave> Yeah, I will eventually set up another slackware box and manually do that
[03:45] <calc> zoroman: assuming you actually have an adapter ;)
[03:45] <thr1ce> GUISlave, eh, it's nice; but Patrick is getting bad about updates
[03:45] <PacoBCN> crimsun, I'm running firestarter, if I manually add ip filters, will firestarter remove them? or ignore them?
[03:45] <Scuddie> thechitowncubs:  DVD or not?
[03:45] <dhonn> is slackware developed by one man?
[03:45] <zoroman> calc: yes but is it mapped as a SCSI device?
[03:45] <thr1ce> yes
[03:45] <crimsun> PacoBCN: it will block those IPs you specify.
[03:45] <CarlK> hoary liveCD - what is the ubuntu user's password?
[03:45] <GUISlave> I'll venture into BSD for my MP3 server
[03:45] <thr1ce> and maintained by one man
[03:45] <calc> zoroman: duh i misread what you meant, you probably need pcmcia support for the device
[03:45] <Scuddie> nevermind...
[03:45] <zoroman> calc: yes it's a compact flash card
[03:45] <PacoBCN> crimsun, thanks, dude
[03:46] <dhonn> what ever he likes you must like?
[03:46] <thr1ce> how many processes run on a standard XFCE with ubuntu, out of curiosity
[03:46] <robertj> thr1ce: the only thing you have to do to keep Ubuntu secure is not make any insecure changes
[03:46] <thr1ce> dhonn, no; he maintains most software; but, I compile alot myself
[03:46] <thr1ce> anyone runnign xfce right now ?
[03:46] <dhonn> cause he didnt compile it for you?
[03:46] <thr1ce> dhonn, yeah
[03:46] <thr1ce> dhonn, well, alot of extra stuff mostloy
[03:46] <thr1ce> mostly
[03:46] <dhonn> shame on him j/k
[03:47] <robertj> thr1ce: I'd recommend gnome for a few weeks just so you have rights to complain about ubuntu-spatial
[03:47] <thr1ce> we don't have repositories to download stuff :(
[03:47] <calc> zoroman: it didn't automatically detect it when you inserted the card?
[03:47] <thr1ce> noone running xfce... ?
[03:47] <zoroman> calc: no I get no kernel message
[03:47] <crimsun> thr1ce: ~65
[03:47] <calc> zoroman: hmm
[03:47] <thr1ce> crimsun, when you start it up regularly?!
[03:47] <zoroman> calc: and sg_scan -i list no devices
[03:47] <crimsun> thr1ce: I'm not currently running Xfce, but I'm one of the maintainers.
[03:47] <dhonn> ubuntu-spatial with backspace doesnt work right
[03:47] <nickrud> ok, i'm new on irc. i did an /away feeding the cat, and /away meaning I'm back. did it w0rk :)
[03:47] <thr1ce> crimsun, I have about 45 here...
[03:47] <dhonn> bug or feature?
[03:48] <crimsun> thr1ce: I have several ices2 and icecast2 instances running, too
[03:48] <crimsun> (and sshds)
[03:48] <thr1ce> nickrud, /back ?
[03:48] <zoroman> calc: my wlan card works in the same socket
[03:48] <JoshuaSydney> crimsun: how's the video card searching goin?
[03:48] <zoroman> calc: and I can mount USB drives so I guess I have all modules needed
[03:48] <thr1ce> crimsun, ok...what about gnome ?
[03:49] <crimsun> JoshuaSydney: I actually answered you a while back (~10 mins)
[03:49] <thr1ce> crimsun, near 70 i'm guessing ?
[03:49] <Duffman> Anyone here able to help me with getting AA to get sound?
[03:49] <crimsun> JoshuaSydney: you should be using the sis driver
[03:49] <nickrud> thr1ce: I'll look it up, thanks
[03:49] <crimsun> thr1ce: yep, 68 on my box
[03:49] <thr1ce> nickrud, run /back
[03:49] <JoshuaSydney> crimsun: that was about restarting... not driver...
[03:49] <calc> zoroman: ok i'll test mine now, i normally just use the built in card reader in my laptop
[03:49] <crimsun> JoshuaSydney: no, I told you to use the sis driver.
[03:49] <JoshuaSydney> crimsun: it says i cannot start x server...
[03:49] <robertj> what command line will force all config files to be reinstalled?
[03:49] <thr1ce> crimsun, but gnome runs pretty quick i'd imagine
[03:50] <thr1ce> crimsun, the latest gnoem i've ran is 2.6.1, which I didn't like much
[03:50] <fazer> xfce runs quicker
[03:50] <crimsun> thr1ce: no, Xfce is considerably snappier. My machine is low-mem.
[03:50] <thr1ce> well...of course
[03:50] <JoshuaSydney> crimsun: how can i install specific driver for my video card in linux
[03:50] <thr1ce> crimsun, aah; I've got a gig of ram and a gig swap
[03:50] <crimsun> JoshuaSydney: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[03:50] <crimsun> JoshuaSydney: choose the sis driver
[03:51] <nickrud> robertj: not that simple.
[03:51] <thr1ce> ok...i'm gonna try er out
[03:51] <thr1ce> bbiab, hopefully :)
[03:51] <JoshuaSydney> crimsun: package 'xserver-xorg' is not installed and no info is available
[03:52] <calc> zoroman: it found it as an ide device for me
[03:52] <robertj> nickrud: why does purging and install not work.
[03:52] <robertj> oh, do they belong to apache2-common?
[03:52] <nickrud> robertj: which package?
[03:52] <Scuddie> Ugh!
[03:52] <zoroman> calc: what happens when you plug it
[03:52] <robertj> that's probably why
[03:52] <calc> it loaded ide-cs
[03:52] <calc> not sure if that was all though
[03:52] <Scuddie> Stupid newegg.
[03:53] <Scuddie> I hope this works
[03:53] <calc> zoroman: i'll reboot and see if anything else is needed
[03:53] <JoshuaSydney> crimsun: package 'xserver-xorg' is not installed and no info is available ... that was the message, what should i do next?
[03:53] <nickrud> robertj: although, purge and reinstall is usually my first step :)
[03:53] <zoroman> calc: thanks
[03:53] <crimsun> JoshuaSydney: are you on Warty or Hoary?
[03:53] <JoshuaSydney> warty
[03:53] <crimsun> JoshuaSydney: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[03:53] <JoshuaSydney> the original disk is 4.10 version i think
[03:53] <CarlK> ok, this is anoying... hoary live CD, the screen saver kicked in, and it wants a PW to let me back in
[03:54] <crimsun> CarlK: switch to tty1, sudo passwd ubuntu
[03:54] <crimsun> CarlK: then enter a password
[03:55] <Scuddie> Here's the best I could find for under $400... http://secure.newegg.com/app/WishList.asp?position=HISTORY&submit=VIEW&ID=1468283
[03:55] <dantheman> i have an nvidia card....if i turn on the "RenderAccel" option, but don't use compositing, will it still speed up X?
[03:55] <MMond> (What's tty1? heh..)
[03:55] <JoshuaSydney> crimsun: im done
[03:55] <zab_> dantheman: didn't do anything noticeable for me
[03:55] <JoshuaSydney> crimsun: should i restart?
[03:55] <fazer> crimsun: would you happen to know the person who created the weather plugin for xfce?
[03:56] <JoshuaSydney> crimsun: or restart GDM?
[03:56] <dantheman> theoretically, could it hand off the rendering to the gpu, speeding up other applications?
[03:56] <zab_> but it did wonders when compositing was used
[03:56] <calc> zoroman: yea the only module it loaded was ide-cs
[03:56] <calc> zoroman: does loading that fix it for you?
[03:56] <nickrud> Scuddie: I tried the link, but I don't have a cookie :)
[03:56] <CarlK> crimsun - thanks
[03:56] <zoroman> calc: I don't think I have this module
[03:56] <Scuddie> Dangit
[03:56] <dantheman> well, when i first start X using compositing, it gives all these crazy stripes of colors, and i can only get ride of them by dragging something over them, forcing a repaint
[03:56] <dantheman> rid, not ride
[03:56] <nickrud> Scuddie: secure sucks.
[03:57] <zoroman> calc: I will compile it
[03:57] <zoroman> thanks
[03:57] <dantheman> so turned compositing off
[03:57] <calc> zoroman: hmm that is odd
[03:57] <nickrud> or not, depending on the circumstances.
[03:57] <calc> zoroman: for me its under kernel/drivers/ide/legacy/ide-cs.ko
[03:57] <zoroman> calc: is there a way to compile a single module?
[03:58] <zoroman> calc: I have a custom kernel
[03:58] <calc> zoroman: not easily
[03:58] <calc> zoroman: ah yea i use default kernels
[03:58] <zoroman> calc: ha I found it, compiled :D
[03:58] <mello> does anybody know of an extention that will allow the scroll wheel to cycle through tabs when held over the tabbar?
[03:59] <Scuddie> Try this, then.  http://secure.newegg.com/app/WishHistoryReview.asp?position=HISTORY&submit=VIEW&ID=1468283
[04:00] <riffic> mello: should be default behaviour
[04:00] <zoroman> calc: It works as hde1, thanks a lot
[04:00] <riffic> oh are you talking about firefox?
[04:00] <mello> it isn't
[04:00] <mello> yeah
[04:00] <calc> zoroman: no problem :)
[04:01] <riffic> dunno
[04:01] <mello> what do you use?
[04:01] <riffic> i thought you meant the desktop thingie
[04:01] <mello> oh no
[04:01] <mello> heh yeah i like that
[04:01] <riffic> you scrollwheel over that and it'll change desktops
[04:01] <mello> yeppers
[04:01] <mello> i use it all the time, in fact i used it to get here
[04:02] <dhonn> foxfire is slow
[04:02] <mello> it is?
[04:02] <mello> since when?
[04:02] <Scuddie> foxfire is a comic
[04:02] <Scuddie> firefox is a browser
[04:02] <netfighter> Are they planning to update firefox in 5.04?
[04:02] <dhonn> since i tryed epiphany-browser
[04:02] <Scuddie> 5.04 is already here.
[04:03] <netfighter> I know, but there's a new version of Firefox (1.03 I think) w/ a security fix
[04:03] <fazer> does Ubuntu come with a torrent downloader?
[04:03] <netfighter> fazer yep
[04:03] <dhonn> its Gnome BitTorrent
[04:03] <fazer> netfighter: oh, what is it called?
[04:04] <goldfish> get azureus
[04:04] <goldfish> !
[04:04] <flodine> is this bad:13398 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2679.600 FPS
[04:04] <netfighter> Gnome BitTorrent
[04:04] <flodine> well
[04:04] <fazer> mmm
[04:04] <dhonn> azuerus has the kde icons, but the gtk framework
[04:04] <fazer> thanks
[04:05] <dhonn> weird
[04:05] <flodine> well holla back
[04:05] <flodine> is the fps bad
[04:05] <flodine> is this bad:13398 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2679.600 FPS
[04:05] <goldfish> i'd take a guess at no
[04:06] <dhonn> 3197 frames in 5.0 seconds = 639.400 FPS  i need a new computer
[04:06] <flodine> ok
[04:07] <goldfish> what did u use to get those stats?
[04:07] <hyphenated> looks like the output of glxgears
[04:07] <flodine> loade nvidia drivers
[04:07] <goldfish> cool, thanks
[04:07] <slappy11> is there a default root passwd after installing?
[04:07] <flodine> ubuntu site tell how to load the drivers
[04:08] <goldfish> i have the drivers
[04:08] <Mansor> hi
[04:08] <slappy11> hi
[04:08] <slappy11> hey mansor
[04:08] <dhonn> slappy11 no, sudo passwd
[04:08] <netfighter> what could be wrong if your dvds seem to have, well, like a short gap between what you see and what you hear?
[04:08] <slappy11> i did sudo, but im not in sudoers
[04:08] <goldfish> slappy11: the password is the same as the password of the first account added
[04:09] <slappy11> err...well, i tried that...tried null..nothin
[04:09] <slappy11> lettme try again
[04:09] <Mansor> anyone use skype?
[04:09] <Mansor> i've got sound issues
[04:09] <slappy11> omg..sudo passwd worked
[04:09] <Mansor> who wants to help me out
[04:09] <slappy11> is that for real?
[04:09] <slappy11> is that in a doc? sudo passwd?
[04:09] <dhonn> Mansor, enabled the ability to play multiple sounds
[04:10] <dhonn> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=8882
[04:10] <slappy11> wow...what if i didnt want a user account?
[04:10] <robertj> slappy: does id yourname show you to be in group admin?
[04:10] <robertj> admin is in suoders
[04:10] <Mansor> how
[04:10] <slappy11> rob: its a fresh install
[04:10] <slappy11> lettme ssh in
[04:10] <Mansor> where i enable it?
[04:10] <robertj> slappy: your in the admin group by default and admin is in sudoers by default
[04:10] <robertj> is that a problem?
[04:10] <fangorious> other than creating a gzipped 640x480 xpm with 14 bit color and specifying itwith the splashimage option in my /boot/grub/menu.lst, how do I get a grub splashimage?
[04:11] <dhonn> Mansor, its not there by default, not yet anyway
[04:11] <netfighter> No, I can watch the DVD perfectly but, like, they move their lips before I can hear their voice. I don't know where's the problem
[04:11] <slappy11> i dont mind adm, it reminds me of wheel
[04:11] <slappy11> but, its strange that i need a user account to set root.. what if i wanted to install w/o a default user
[04:11] <skel_home> has anyone had any luck with 5.04 and a webcam? my webcam driver loads as well as bttv and videodev but it creates no /dev/video device
[04:11] <blahrus> crimsun: hey, remember when I had to kill esd to use mplayer or vlc . . . .
[04:11] <slappy11> mknod
[04:11] <Mansor> ok, but where i enable the multi sound
[04:12] <jannifer> hey; having trouble getting my i810 to display larger than 640x480 despite having larger resolutions in the xorg.conf file
[04:12] <robertj> slappy: tought
[04:12] <robertj> you have to have a default user unless you do something odd
[04:12] <slappy11> tough?
[04:12] <nickrud> janniffer, I think I can help
[04:12] <slappy11> wow
[04:12] <nickrud> jannifer, I think I can help :)
[04:12] <jannifer> nickrud, tried NoDDC and IgnoreEDID
[04:12] <slappy11> ubuntu is really workstation-centric
[04:13] <jannifer> it's actually an 845 chip but same driver anyways
[04:13] <robertj> slappy: btw, adm is different from admin
[04:13] <robertj> default users are in both groups
[04:13] <slappy11> ya, obviously
[04:13] <nickrud> jannifer, how much memory do you have reserved under device in xorg.conf
[04:13] <robertj> admin exists only for sudoing, adm does other stuff, but what I know not
[04:13] <slappy11> really?
[04:13] <dhonn> slappy11, when you install ubuntu from cd and type: server,  what happens?
[04:13] <fangorious> anyone? grub splashimage?
[04:13] <slappy11> i havent tried that yet.
[04:13] <Mansor> only base system is installed
[04:13] <dhonn> it should be striped down just for server usage
[04:14] <dhonn> i think
[04:14] <jannifer> nickrud, none
[04:14] <Mansor> with the option server
[04:14] <slappy11> i wanted to see a typical install first, but i also want to do 'server' to muck around w/ it
[04:14] <netfighter> helio try to switch kernels, it helped me
[04:14] <robertj> slappy: that's the one part of ubuntu I'm responsible for! I whined and someone told me to submit a patch and I did, and after someone rewrote it from scratch it went in ;)
[04:14] <helio7> nvidia/hoary folks: What are you doing? Proprietary drivers? yes/no?  Crash problems???  I get 2 common crashes: 1 is a complete freeze- hard reset necessary, the other is gdm reboots without warning...
[04:14] <helio7> netfighter: what kernel did you switch to?
[04:14] <HrdwrBoB> helio7: I've found that with the screensaver
[04:14] <slappy11> cool.  alright.  thanks alot, all
[04:15] <nickrud> Next, what't horz and vert refesh do you have under monitor?
[04:15] <netfighter> the one before the newest, I can't rememeber the number, but it solved my problems
[04:15] <helio7> HrdwrBoB: I have my screensaver disabled...
[04:15] <HrdwrBoB> helio7: ahr
[04:15] <jannifer> nickrud, those were set correctly as x.org has my monitor in the database
[04:15] <helio7> netfighter: hoary installs 2.6.10 whereas warty was 2.6.8 I think right?  What are the implications of going back to the older kernel?
[04:16] <nickrud> ok, that makes it simple (probably:)
[04:16] <fazer> hte hell
[04:16] <fazer> Totem can play quicktime? But all I hear is sound and no video =(
[04:16] <skel_home> anyone know why udev wouldn't generate a video device for me? /dev/video[0] 
[04:16] <helio7> Warty was Rock-Solid never crashed in 3 months of steady use... With hoary I'm crashing without fail every 2 hours or so...
[04:17] <skel_home> helio7: so.. go back to warty?
[04:17] <nickrud> what you should do is cd /etc/X11 , mv xorg.conf xorg.conf.mine, and run sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg.
[04:17] <jannifer> did, no luck
[04:17] <jannifer> this is a fresh install anyways
[04:17] <netfighter> helio7, I've been using Ubuntu since Warty, so I have like 3 or 4 different kernels available at the Grub. So far I haven't found any side issue
[04:17] <jannifer> and I have no idea how much video ram is on this thing. /proc has been no use
[04:18] <nickrud> jannifer: you need to tell xorg to set aside enough memory.
[04:18] <helio7> skel_home: downgrading would be the last option, there's no smooth downgrade it would require a complete backup and reinstall from scratch I'm pretty sure; I'd rather find a more intelligent solution than going back to Warty; I am a serious Ubuntu fan, I'm not dissing the product, just looking for answers; thanks netfighter... I'll try that
[04:19] <flodine> anyone running 64 bit with no problems
[04:19] <nickrud> jannifer: i810?
[04:19] <helio7> Is anyone else running nvidia proprietary drivers under hoary? or has disabled them?
[04:19] <robertj> you know a regenerate-xorg-conf script would be useful, it's a pretty common faq
[04:19] <jannifer> nickrud, i810 is the driver, 845G is the actual chipset
[04:19] <dhonn> i have nvidia drivers working, works pretty nice
[04:19] <Duffman> Can anyone help me with getting Americas Army to have sound?
[04:20] <skel_home> helio7: you could always build a custom kernel as well if you have reason to believe that is the cause
[04:20] <dhonn> i had to recompile the kernel though
[04:20] <skel_home> helio7: apt-get install kernel-package
[04:20] <jannifer> hmm google did the trick, tis 65535kb
[04:20] <dhonn> then grab the drivers from nvidia.com/linux
[04:20] <jannifer> lemme check
[04:20] <nickrud> ok, for memory, enter 32768. I just helped someone with this today, we had to enter the scan rates manually, but this was the ke.
[04:20] <jannifer> brb
[04:20] <nickrud> key.,
[04:20] <skel_home> helio7: and build your own from kernel.org with make-kpkg
[04:20] <jannifer> nickrud, this machine has 64MB, aka 65535K
[04:20] <skel_home> helio7: it'll make a deb that is an entire kernel contained
[04:21] <helio7> hmm ok thanks skel_home; sounds a little tricky
[04:21] <helio7> dhonn how did you recompile the kernel?
[04:22] <skel_home> helio7: I grabbed the config from /boot and dropped it in my source tree.. then did a make oldconfig
[04:23] <blahrus_> anyone in here alsa savy?
[04:23] <crimsun> shoot.
[04:23] <netfighter> helio7, have u looked for clues in dmesg?
[04:23] <helio7> no netfighter remind me of the command to view that?
[04:23] <helio7> just dmesg?
[04:24] <blahrus_> crimsun: alsa-uninit: pcm closed
[04:24] <netfighter> yep
[04:24] <blahrus_> crimsun: didn't change anything from the last time, other than moving some ram around
[04:24] <dhonn> i: apt-get install linux-source-2.6.10-5-386
[04:24] <crimsun> blahrus_: ...there's nothing wrong.
[04:24] <dhonn> cd /usr/src/
[04:24] <crimsun> dhonn: linux-source-2.6.10 or linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[04:24] <dhonn> extracted the source
[04:24] <dhonn> source
[04:24] <crimsun> there is no linux-source-$(uname -r)
[04:25] <blahrus_> crimsun: well mplayer crash, esd doesn't play startup sounds, and when I kill esd and trying to  use mpalyer thats when mplayer crashes
[04:25] <dhonn> linux-source-2.6.10
[04:25] <crimsun> blahrus_: what sound card?
[04:26] <dhonn> not 2.6.10-5-386
[04:26] <blahrus_> crimsun:  Card: NVidia CK8S                                                            ?? Chip: C-Media Electronics CMI9761
[04:26] <blahrus_> crimsun: been working for a weeks
[04:26] <crimsun> blahrus_: heh. lsmod|grep ^snd_intel8x0
[04:26] <dhonn> what i did then is mv linux-source-2.6.10 linux-2.6.10-5.1-386
[04:27] <dhonn> edit the Makefile to match the version
[04:27] <crimsun> dhonn: then you have to run make prepare
[04:27] <crimsun> dhonn: to regenerate version.h
[04:27] <dhonn> make oldconfig
[04:27] <dhonn> ah
[04:28] <dhonn> then i compile that stuff, make modules_install install
[04:28] <crimsun> dhonn: and yes, you do need to run make oldconfig after copying over /boot/config-$(uname -r)
[04:28] <Dreamer3_> ok
[04:29] <dhonn> mv it over to .config
[04:29] <delltony> question what script needs to be loaded or command typed to do a upgrade from the live cd? when i put the cd in the first time it asked to upgrade but had an error by not being connected so it aborted now i can't get the automatic update thing back.
[04:29] <Dreamer3_> i'd REALLY Love some help with this memory leak problem... 2 or 3 days again... and all my memory is used, regardless of what programs are open..
[04:29] <Dreamer3_> and i'm not really using anything not in the stock Ubuntu (thinks hard)
[04:29] <dhonn> ey crimsum how do you make the initrd.img?
[04:29] <dhonn> mkinitrd -o initrd.img-2.6.10-5.1 2.6.10-5.1
[04:29] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: any thoughts?
[04:29] <Ex-Cyber> my floppy drive doesn't seem to be working in hoary, any attempt to mount it gives " end_request: I/O error, dev fd0, sector 0" and "Buffer I/O error on device fd0, logical block 0" in dmesg... any idea what's going on here?
[04:30] <crimsun> dhonn: see the man page for mkinitrd :)
[04:31] <dhonn> mkinitrd -o initrd.img-2.6.10-5.1 2.6.10-5.1  is right
[04:31] <dhonn> then i reboot
[04:31] <jordanau> Guess what?
[04:31] <dhonn> install nvidia drivers from the website and it works
[04:31] <crimsun> Dreamer3_: free -m|grep ^-|awk '{ print $4 }'
[04:32] <blahrus_> crimsun: any thoughts . . . seems alsa is bugged
[04:32] <nickrud> jordanau, we await with bated breath.
[04:32] <jordanau> nickrud, thanks i was waiting for someone
[04:32] <crimsun> blahrus_: sorry, I'm doing about six things simultaneously
[04:32] <dhonn> edit the /boot/grub/menu.lst to default to the new kernel
[04:32] <jordanau> ubuntu and linux have inspired me to change my major!! I am going to go into computer science
[04:32] <jannifer> ok, that still didn't work
[04:32] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: 145, what's that? :)
[04:32] <blahrus_> crimsun: I understand
[04:32] <MMond> I have the "Window selector" in my panel off . . . but anyway I can actually "disable" it? I feel that it's running in the background . . . (remember, I'm on a 266 mhz laptop ;\)
[04:32] <nickrud> jordanau, and I was the sucker :)
[04:32] <crimsun> Dreamer3_: that's the amount of usable free memory.
[04:33] <jordanau> i hate the engineering i am in now and i want to learn more about the computer industry
[04:33] <crimsun> I'd stick with engineering
[04:33] <delltony> blahrus, arn't you the one that was telling me about the cd asing for upgrade?
[04:33] <jordanau> i am in chemical
[04:33] <crimsun> (but that's just me)
[04:33] <jordanau> and doing pre medice
[04:33] <nickrud> I'm in the social services industry much better.
[04:33] <jordanau> medicine
[04:33] <crimsun> I just took the FE yesterday
[04:33] <dhonn> I love gfx programming and I feel the gfx rendering slow, what source packages should I be looking at to optimize them?
[04:33] <crimsun> nothing like sitting on one's arse for 8 hours.
[04:34] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: yeah, because i just closed firefox... 95 after i turn swap off... i don't have anything mroe running than after i do after a freww reboot except then there is 200-300mb free
[04:34] <jordanau> i am still going to medical school but will use computer science to get there
[04:34] <nickrud> now that is an interesting path
[04:34] <dhonn> make medical program
[04:34] <jannifer> nickrud: X seems to think there's nothing wrong now but it's still setting 640x480
[04:34] <jordanau> crimsun, yeah if i go into the computer industry as a career I will go into the business side of things ASAP
[04:34] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: if i keep running for a few more days swap usage will continue to go up as the number you're interested in goes down
[04:34] <crimsun> Dreamer3_: that's normal
[04:34] <dhonn> 58000 people a year die from computer related bugs
[04:35] <dhonn> fix them
[04:35] <jannifer> ctrl-alt-numplus does nothing
[04:35] <jordanau> dhonn, the people or the bugs?
[04:35] <nickrud> jannifer, what you need to do is look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[04:35] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: i'm not talking buffers and cache... i'm talking real free memory... it disappears over time
[04:35] <crimsun> Dreamer3_: that's normal.
[04:35] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: how come no one will believe me, this doesn't happen on other systems
[04:35] <dhonn> both
[04:35] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: so every 3 days when i run out of memory i reboot?
[04:35] <dhonn> lol
[04:35] <crimsun> Dreamer3_: no, Linux is _supposed_ to grab all the free RAM.
[04:35] <nickrud> it will tell you much, and if you'll post it to pastebin.com I'll take a look.
[04:35] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: i understand taht
[04:36] <crimsun> Dreamer3_: and you're using 2.6.10-34?
[04:36] <dhonn> Mem:        256300     238988      17312 <-free thats pleny
[04:36] <jannifer> nickrud: looking at it, I don't really see anything out of the ordinary
[04:36] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: i'm saying all my memory disappears, not to cache and buffer... i could quit X at it's worse and still only have 300-400mb in use... (not counting buffers and cache) after a reboot it's only like 34mb
[04:36] <nickrud> jannifer, nothing about display modes disallowed because of not enough memory?
[04:36] <crimsun> Dreamer3_: swap out memory; try another motherboard
[04:36] <crimsun> Dreamer3_: run memtest86
[04:37] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: it's a laptop
[04:37] <frank> hi where can I find the boot log?
[04:37] <crimsun> Dreamer3_: so run memtest
[04:37] <delltony> dang how do i get this install cd to auto run again :(
[04:37] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: warty exhibited this same behavior but maybe 30-50 days
[04:37] <blahrus_> Dreamer3_: there is nothing more crimsun can do
[04:37] <MMond> /var/log
[04:37] <MMond> I think :x
[04:37] <crimsun> frank: /var/log/dmesg ?
[04:37] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: ok... memtest?  i wasn't aware the kernel located and flagged bad memory, is that what are you suggesting?
[04:37] <crimsun> frank: or do you want all the lsb output, too?
[04:37] <jannifer> nickrud: nope
[04:37] <blahrus_> Dreamer3_: reboot and run it
[04:38] <blahrus_> Dreamer3_: hit esc and select memtest86
[04:38] <frank> I just want the same thing you see when you boot up
[04:38] <crimsun> Dreamer3_: no, I'm saying you should test your memory. The Ubuntu patches don't include badram.
[04:38] <jannifer> oh now I'm getting no mode of this name
[04:38] <jannifer> hmm
[04:38] <nickrud> ok, let's look at your /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:38] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: ok, i'll test it
[04:38] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: but the system is ROCK solid, just all the memory disappears over a few days
[04:38] <nickrud> the monitor section should have your scan rates; horz and vert
[04:38] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: i've seen memory glitches before
[04:38] <jannifer> must be because of NoDDC
[04:38] <jannifer> nickrud: they're there but I have no mode lines
[04:38] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: but i will run it when i reboot
[04:38] <Dreamer3_> :(
[04:39] <MMond> Apr 17 20:40:48 localhost kernel: hda: drive_cmd: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }
[04:39] <MMond> Apr 17 20:40:48 localhost kernel: hda: drive_cmd: error=0x04 { DriveStatusError }
[04:39] <MMond> What does that mean? :x
[04:39] <nickrud> jannifer: mode lines are so 3.x
[04:39] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: yes -34 rev of the kernel
[04:39] <nickrud> what are your scan rate entries?
[04:39] <jannifer> when I disable noddc I get mode clock problems
[04:40] <blahrus_> crimsun: I fixed it :)
[04:40] <blahrus_> crimsun: stupid alsa mixer
[04:40] <crimsun> blahrus_: you should have only needed to mute IEC958 Capture Monitor
[04:41] <blahrus_> crimsun: somehow it wasn't
[04:41] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: how many runs is enough since the system is 100% stable... 1 run?
[04:41] <crimsun> Dreamer3_: as many as you can bear
[04:41] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: and when it comes back no problem?
[04:41] <blahrus_> brb
[04:41] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: try a different kernel?
[04:41] <crimsun> Dreamer3_: how much memory?
[04:41] <jannifer> nickrud: horiz 30-70, vert 50-160
[04:41] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: 512mb
[04:41] <crimsun> Dreamer3_: let it run for a few hours
[04:42] <crimsun> that will suffice.
[04:42] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: what's the logic of checking for bad memory when there is an apparent memory leak?
[04:42] <crimsun> Dreamer3_: it's not apparent that your _hardware_ is faultless.
[04:42] <nickrud> jannifer, please post /etc/X11/xorg.cong and /var/log/Xorg.0.log to pastebin.com so I can see them.
[04:42] <nickrud> jannifer, please post /etc/X11/xorg.conf and /var/log/Xorg.0.log to pastebin.com so I can see them.
[04:43] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: so the upgrade to hoary bringing ont he problem is coincidental, ok :)
[04:43] <jannifer> nickrud: fixed it, ubuntu config refused to write HorizSync and VertRefresh to xorg.conf
[04:43] <jannifer> works now =)
[04:43] <jannifer> thanks for your help
[04:43] <nickrud> hey, I'll take credit
[04:43] <crimsun> Dreamer3_: I have no idea, but you describe a problem that's easiest to debug from the base
[04:44] <etzerd> Hello room
[04:44] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: "from the base" means?
[04:44] <crimsun> Dreamer3_: moving from Warty to Hoary has a huge coincidence matrix, it'd be impossible to debug.
[04:44] <crimsun> Dreamer3_: from the bottom up.
[04:44] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: ok, so i run memtest
[04:44] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: i'll come back tomorrow
[04:44] <jannifer> yay.
[04:44] <Dreamer3_> i'm not gonna reboot right now
[04:45] <jannifer> now to finish the rest of mom's computer ;)
[04:45] <JoshuaSydney> crimsun: how to configure the warty xserver again>>>?
[04:45] <crimsun> Dreamer3_: the best you can hope for is that memtest86 doesn't find anything.
[04:45] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: it won't, i'm confident... not that i've never been wrong, but...
[04:45] <crimsun> JoshuaSydney: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[04:45] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: i'd almost be happy if it did, then i just order new ram
[04:45] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: i'm pretty sure it won't and i'll be right back here with the same issue
[04:45] <jannifer> crimsun, I think that would be the *best* result rather than the worst
[04:46] <crimsun> jannifer: I did say best
[04:46] <JoshuaSydney> crimsun: thanks
[04:46] <jannifer> ah, heh
[04:46] <crimsun> Dreamer3_: no, you'll have eliminated that possibility.
[04:46] <crimsun> (well, probability if you want to be pedantic)
[04:47] <kev__> crimsun: i did a fresh install, installed linux-headers-... and build-essential, and am trying to build hostap-driver now (which provides the hostap module). it's complaining that  CONFIG_NET_RADIO is not supported in the current kernel (the stock kernel shipped with 5.04), and i confirm this in the .config. but that surprises me as i thought many wireless nics required it. any thoughts?
[04:47] <JoshuaSydney> crimsun: vesa doesn't work either
[04:48] <beggar> times ago i had a app to tweak the nvidia graphic card...but i've forgot the name :s ....someone knows?
[04:48] <beggar> ok
[04:48] <beggar> i found it
[04:48] <beggar> yank
[04:48] <beggar> :P
[04:48] <crimsun> nvidia-settings or nvclock?
[04:49] <beggar> yank
[04:49] <crimsun> oh. that.
[04:49] <crimsun> thunderbird doesn't have too much love for that program.
[04:49] <beggar> why?
[04:49] <kev__> anyone have any info about the stock kernel having been built with CONFIG_NET_RADIO?
[04:49] <crimsun> ask him, he's nvclock's author.
[04:49] <nickrud> ok, anyone wanna give me some irc help? I'm shown as awa,y, don't wana be.
[04:50] <JoshuaSydney> crimsun: vesa works
[04:50] <crimsun> JoshuaSydney: which is it?
[04:50] <crimsun> JoshuaSydney: it works, or it doesn't?
[04:50] <crimsun> kev__: you must be using -386
[04:50] <JoshuaSydney> crimsun: works, after i write in Driver "vesa" instead of Driver "sis"
[04:50] <crimsun> kev__: because 686-smp has CONFIG_NET_RADIO=y
[04:50] <crimsun> JoshuaSydney: ok.
[04:51] <nickrud> never mind
[04:51] <JoshuaSydney> crimsun: but how come the screen got all vertical lines... well.. it's so smooth.. but we can barely see it
[04:51] <beggar> oh...forget.....the newest version of yank is from 2003-03-25
[04:51] <beggar> :S
[04:51] <beggar> it looks like the development sttoped
[04:51] <JoshuaSydney> crimsun: hold on horizontal i mean
[04:52] <kev__> crimsum: it's just occurred to me that i should have switched kernels anyway (i have an athlon). and the k7 has CONFIG_NET_RADIO=y.
[04:53] <kev__> crimsum: this is my first debian experience, so you'll have to excuse the lack of contextual knowledge. i never realized how much linux distros actually differed...
[04:53] <JoshuaSydney> crimsun: i can't move my mouse or anything, how can i come back to the black screen to type up some queries?
[04:53] <jannifer> anyone ever get their forward and back buttons to work in conjunction with the mouse wheel?
[04:53] <crimsun> ctrl+alt+F#
[04:53] <crimsun> ^ JoshuaSydney
[04:53] <crimsun> kev__: no biggie
[04:54] <JoshuaSydney> oh okok.. F#?
[04:54] <crimsun> JoshuaSydney: function key
[04:54] <crimsun> JoshuaSydney: F1, F2, F3, ...
[04:54] <JoshuaSydney> oo F3
[04:54] <JoshuaSydney> hahaha.. i thought F#
[04:54] <crimsun> JoshuaSydney: no, any < 7
[04:54] <JoshuaSydney> oww
[04:54] <JoshuaSydney> really? ic ic
[04:54] <mello> would someone be as kind as to walk me through setting up dual monitors?
[04:55] <Adross> how do i add mp3 support to the default ubuntu media player? I installed the w32codecs, but nothing happened
[04:55] <mello> preferably monitors that have two different resolutions?
[04:55] <crimsun> Adross: you need gstreamer0.8-mad from universe.
[04:55] <Adross> cheers
[04:55] <scorpix> Munich choose Debian :) http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/software/0,2000061733,39188667,00.htm
[04:55] <crimsun> Adross: see wiki/RestrictedFormats
[04:55] <Adross> thanks
[04:55] <Adross> and i'm out of her
[04:55] <GUISlave> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24774&goto=nextnewest  <the power of google, dual monitors
[04:55] <nickrud> crimsum: you must love those
[04:55] <GUISlave> try a google search people
[04:56] <mello> i have man
[04:56] <mello> and last time i tried it, X crashed
[04:56] <mello> and it was irrecoverable for a noob like I
[04:56] <pilo> i am pretty much a n00b and i have an athalon 64 processor, would you suggest the 64 bit ubuntu distro or would i be better off getting more experience with the mainstream one?
[04:56] <^thehatsrule^> heh
[04:57] <crimsun> pilo: I'll trade you. You can have my Pentium 2/266, and I'll take your Athlon64.
[04:57] <pilo> lol
[04:57] <pilo> sounds fair 266 is a bigger number then 64
[04:57] <JoshuaSydney> lol
[04:58] <nickrud> pilo: unless you need video, or openoffice, stay with 32
[04:58] <beggar> it's possible to use beagle in ubuntu? someone using it?
[04:58] <nickrud> pilo: if you need video, or openoffice, stay with 32
[04:58] <pilo> well i do have a tv tuner that i want to play with
[04:58] <JoshuaSydney> crimsun: how to come back to the GUI display again?
[04:58] <simonp> pilo: do you you know tvtime?
[04:59] <simonp> s/you you/you/
[04:59] <pilo> simonp: yes
[04:59] <frank> pilo: I would suggest staying with 32 bit until you learn your way around linux
[05:00] <JoshuaSydney> guys, any possibility to control mouse from keyboard in ubuntu?
[05:00] <nickrud> pilo: there are ways to deal with software that requires 32 bits inside of 64 bits, but it's easier to stay with 32 for now
[05:00] <JoshuaSydney> the system doesn't detect my mouse
[05:00] <JoshuaSydney> both serials and ps/2
[05:01] <pilo> ok ok, sounds like staying with 32 is a safer bet.  does 64 offer quantifiable performance boost?
[05:01] <pilo> ie will i be missing much
[05:01] <crimsun> JoshuaSydney: alt+F7
[05:01] <nickrud> pilo: I run a 466 celeron right now, your ahead of me :)
[05:01] <frank> pilo: Apparently it makes a big difference in audio/video encoding
[05:02] <JoshuaSydney> crimsun, the system doesn't detect my mouse... i have serials and ps/2 on the same card.. how can i fix this?
[05:02] <JoshuaSydney> crimsun: or can i move it from my keyboard?
[05:02] <JoshuaSydney> crimsun: move the mouse i mean
[05:02] <pilo> ok ok i suppose its much better to have a working machine then a faster one ;)
[05:03] <pilo> thanks alot for the advice
[05:03] <crimsun> JoshuaSydney: choose one.
[05:03] <nickrud> frank: are you running 64? I'm budgeting for my office's new machine, can I use 64 against win32codecs?
[05:03] <crimsun> JoshuaSydney: try the serial _or_ the ps/2
[05:03] <bretzel> Hi all, someone read my question before ( an hour ago ) about SATA hard disk ?
[05:03] <JoshuaSydney> crimsun: can i open that blank screen inside GUI instead of closing GUI?
[05:04] <frank> nickrud: you can use w32codecs within a 32bit chroot in Ubuntu64 yeah
[05:04] <metrix> I started the network conection monitor for ethernet0 and have noticed a steady stream of packets being sent down eth0.. this worries me.. how do I see what program is sending packets to what ip?
[05:04] <nickrud> chroot, chroot, everybody says chroot :)
[05:04] <frank> nickrud, but you need to setup the chroot
[05:04] <nickrud> debootstrap
[05:05] <nickrud> not going there
[05:05] <nickrud> yet
[05:05] <frank> nickrud, That's what I do.
[05:05] <frank> nickrud, but alot of things would be SO much easier if I had just stuck with 32bit
[05:06] <crimsun> JoshuaSydney: I do not understand what you're asking.
[05:06] <nickrud> frank, probably will, just kicking and screaming :)
[05:06] <JoshuaSydney> crimsun: you know when u said ctrl alt F#... can i do this inside ubuntu GUI, instead of closing GUI and back to the black screen..?
[05:07] <crimsun> JoshuaSydney: you're not closing anything; you're simply switching terminals.
[05:07] <JoshuaSydney> ooo
[05:07] <JoshuaSydney> okok
[05:08] <thoreauputic> JoshuaSydney: to get back, alt-F7
[05:08] <bretzel> Sorry but this is funny: Have you tried "1920x1440" screen resolution on 17 inches monitor ?? -- me I am actually using this mode on my TTX 17'' crt monitor! uh... I think i still have very good vision :-)
[05:09] <Dreamer3_> bretzel: you're psycho
[05:09] <bretzel> ASUS P4P800SE + IDE hdd + SATA hdd + Linux = fail.
[05:10] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: i don't know MANY if any 17" that would support that refresh rate
[05:10] <crimsun> bretzel: I used 1920x1440 on a 19" for a long time.
[05:10] <crimsun> bretzel: granted, I killed that monitor by doing that.
[05:10] <Dreamer3_> heaven*
[05:10] <JoshuaSydney> crimsun: Please choose your mouse port, nothing indicated serials / ps/2 ... /dev/psaux ttyS0 ttyS1 ttyS2 ttyS3 input/mice atibm sunmouse gpmdata .... which one?
[05:11] <bretzel> SATA alone in RAID mode and RAIDBOOTROM + linux ( ubuntu hoary at least ) = SUCCESS but WinXP = failure!
[05:11] <fazer> Hmmm, can anyone play this movie in their VLC player? : http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/computer-security/video/infectedcomputer.mov
[05:12] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: assuming memory is good after i reboot is there any type of memory logging i can run to try and figure out where the memory is going?
[05:12] <crimsun> JoshuaSydney: try the ps/2 mouse
[05:12] <bretzel> ASUS P4P800SE + SATA in ide mode = unable to boot from this drive. but WinXP = success!!! this is a Shitload of puzzle that kills my brain!
[05:12] <crimsun> Dreamer3_: there are some libc debugging variables, but nothing that would really do what you wanted offhand
[05:12] <JoshuaSydney> crimsun: the problem is nothing indicated ps/2 choices
[05:12] <crimsun> JoshuaSydney: psaux is.
[05:13] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: could i be the kernel?
[05:13] <JoshuaSydney> crimsun: if i want to choose my serial mouse, which one would it be?
[05:13] <crimsun> Dreamer3_: there's a slight (very slight) possibility, but the probability is quite slim.
[05:13] <crimsun> JoshuaSydney: depends on the serial port you're using
[05:13] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: so that means some userspace program?
[05:13] <trey> hi everyone, i've got a question
[05:14] <crimsun> JoshuaSydney: probably ttyS0
[05:14] <lunitik> trey: we might have an answer
[05:14] <trey> hehe
[05:14] <JoshuaSydney> oh ic ic yea i'll try
[05:14] <mfinch> I have a question: does anyone know the default username and password to admin cups (http://localhost:631)?  I have enabled root and that doesn't work.
[05:14] <crimsun> Dreamer3_: again, I don't know.
[05:14] <crimsun> Dreamer3_: you're not using inotify, are you?
[05:14] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: i don't know... stock hoary, how would i find out?
[05:14] <trey> ive got a 700m laptop and i'm tryin to get the 1280x800 resolution to work
[05:14] <crimsun> Dreamer3_: stock Hoary disables it.
[05:14] <trey> and 1024 is the only one available
[05:14] <jannifer> Dreamer3_, it's root/rootpassword
[05:14] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: i upgraded from warty... if that makes a diff
[05:14] <crimsun> Dreamer3_: ok, next step: any binary-only drivers?
[05:14] <jannifer> whatever the root password is
[05:15] <phxguy> anyone here use klik successfully??
[05:15] <frank> fazer: I could play your movie in vlc
[05:15] <lunitik> trey: add it to /etc/X11/xorg.conf in the Mode line of 24.... (near the bottem) and restart X
[05:15] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: nope, not on the lappy
[05:15] <fazer> frank: i get a weird error
[05:16] <fazer> frank: VLC would just quit.  But when I launch VLC from the command line, it would then give me an error.
[05:16] <mfinch> trey: my x flakes aout sometimes.  I chose 640 x 480 once.  I had to do a Ctl + Alt + backspace to restart X.  Things got better.
[05:16] <fazer> but I canp lay all other quicktime files file in VLC
[05:16] <Styx-LCA> Hi, anyone use a Prism2 based PCMCIA card here?
[05:16] <lunitik> fazer: what does the error say?
[05:16] <kyubito> hi can someone help me configure my screen resolution .. for sum reasons i can only use 640*480 ..
[05:16] <kev__> styx-lca: do you need support from hostap?
[05:16] <frank> fazer: so only this one gives you a problem? strange..
[05:16] <trey> see i've got it in my modeline, but it still doesn't show up in my screen resolution settings
[05:17] <fazer> lunitik: hold on
[05:17] <trey> after i restarted
[05:17] <metrix> after doing a netstat -pantu, I have one line other then xchat that I see connected to a socket: 192.168.0.10:33322 127.0.0.1:631 gnome-cups-icon.  this should not show up as transmitted via eth0 should it???
[05:17] <crimsun> Dreamer3_: if memtest passes, try using a livecd for a few days.
[05:17] <Styx-LCA> kev__: I think I just need the module prism2_cs
[05:17] <salvestrini> hello
[05:17] <fazer> lunitik: The program '.' received an X Window System error.
[05:18] <fazer> This probably reflects a bug in the program.
[05:18] <Styx-LCA> kev__: I have the prism2_usb module but not prism2_cs
[05:18] <salvestrini> i have a couple questions
[05:18] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: hehehe, i don't know how well that would work... i need httpd, imapd, etc :)
[05:18] <fazer> The error was 'BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation)'.
[05:18] <bigx5murf> is this the ubuntu help channel?
[05:18] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: but that would hope to prove what?
[05:18] <Raskall> *sigh* I'm up at 5am to bake bread for my family. Am  I a good "housewife", or what?
[05:18] <fazer> (Details: serial 73 error_code 11 request_code 141 minor_code 19)
[05:18] <mfinch> Does anyone know the default username and password for CUPS web?  It isn't root, I enabled and tried that.
[05:18] <lunitik> fazer: how big is the file... and how much ram do you have?
[05:18] <crimsun> Dreamer3_: it runs nearly completely in RAM and uses a different kernel config
[05:18] <bretzel> about SATA drive with my crappy mb: I am stuck using Linux ubuntu only on this computer. I need WinXP for ... dvdshrink --> otherwize is there any equiv. prog for linux ?
[05:18] <slappy11> mfinch: its usually the unix user accounts...root shoulda worked
[05:19] <lunitik> bretzel: depends... what does dvdshrink do?
[05:19] <bigx5murf> has anyone been able to mount ntfs partitions from a pci sata controller?
[05:19] <nickrud> mfinch, as far as I can tell, the cups admin is simply disabled.
[05:19] <hyphenated> the web interface doesn't let you log in as root, IIRC
[05:19] <kyubito> hi can someone help me configure my screen resolution .. for sum reasons i can only use 640*480 ..  tried changing resolution but it only gives me an option of 640*480
[05:19] <slappy11> what does sata have to do w/ ntfs?
[05:19] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: could X leak memory?
[05:20] <kev__> styx-lca: ok. i'm battling with a prism2 card (dlink dwl-520 e1) and thought we could exchange ideas. sorry i can't help...
[05:20] <nickrud> The gnome stuff has worked, although I'm not really happy about it.
[05:20] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: maybe i could switch to a vesa driver or something?
[05:20] <bretzel> Decrypt DVD movies, shrink it in iso image to fit in 4 GB DVD disk
[05:20] <bigx5murf> i have 2 ntfs partitions on a hd thats connected thru a pci sata controller
[05:20] <Dreamer3_> or go back to DRI...
[05:20] <mfinch> slappy11: it didn't.  Other people reported this problem in support.  I don't think I will loose any functionality.  The most I ever do is delete the last print job if it gets stuck.  I can do that with the gnome tools.
[05:20] <crimsun> Dreamer3_: it'd probably be a client not cleaning up correctly.
[05:20] <salvestrini> i used mozplugger to see windows media + quicktime, but there is no sound, is this a problem wit mozplugger or is it a configuration problem?
[05:20] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: you mean an X program?
[05:20] <crimsun> Dreamer3_: yes. Those are called clients.
[05:21] <NotANick> anyone know why firefox doesnt act like it should? middle clikc in windows closed tabs...no it tries to take me to websites
[05:21] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: yeah, i was just making sure we were on the same page
[05:21] <thoreauputic> salvestrini: you have w32codecs installed?
[05:21] <salvestrini> yes i do
[05:21] <mfinch> Second question.  How do I disable root?  I already did a sudo passwd root so to enable it.  There is no benefit to have it enabled so I would like it off again.
[05:21] <lunitik> salvestrini: do you have libmad0 installed? because windows (and afaik quicktime) use mp3 for audio playback
[05:21] <jannifer> NotANick, default configuration of firefox on both operating systems is open link in new tab
[05:21] <salvestrini> libmad0, i dont think so, i will install it
[05:21] <jannifer> NotANick, you must ahve had middle-click bound to ctrl-w or similar in windows
[05:21] <bretzel> w32codecs isn't in the marillat repo ?
[05:21] <lunitik> salvestrini: did you install gstreamer0.8-mad at any point?
[05:22] <salvestrini> as usual sudo apt-get install libmad0
[05:22] <slappy11> bigx5murf: dmesg, does the sata drives show up?
[05:22] <salvestrini> yes
[05:22] <bigx5murf> can anyone help me view ntfs partitions?
[05:22] <jannifer> bretzel, it is, I believe
[05:22] <NotANick> jannifer: nah everyone i know who runs windows says that if you middle click on the tab up top it'll close it
[05:22] <salvestrini> i did install that
[05:22] <bigx5murf> i cant seem to mount mine
[05:22] <lunitik> salvestrini: bah, then you installed it
[05:22] <nickrud> mfinch: are you brave?
[05:22] <jannifer> NotANick, does this for me on linux as well
[05:22] <jannifer> if you middle-click on a URL it opens that url in a new tab
[05:22] <salvestrini> strange thing is, no sound comes out
[05:23] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: n/m can't do that
[05:23] <bretzel> slappy11: Please what do you know about SATA drives ?? I have that brain sucking puzzle with mine ...
[05:23] <salvestrini> play dvds okay, cd audio too, but for some reason i get no sound for quicktime
[05:23] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: i don't have a boot entry for memtest...
[05:23] <thoreauputic> NotANick: in  about:config , look for middleclick.loadcontent.* (forget exactly), and change it to false I think
[05:23] <nickrud> mfinch: edit /etc/passwd directly, and remove the x beween the first and second colons.
[05:23] <crimsun> Dreamer3_: not even for memtest+ ?
[05:23] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: i installed a long side debian and setup all the boot stuff myself...
[05:23] <slappy11> dmesg should show it as a sda something drive
[05:23] <salvestrini> also
[05:23] <slappy11> fdisk -l /dev/sda to see if anything comes up or b,c,d
[05:24] <nickrud> mfinch: for root, of course :)
[05:24] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: i suppose i could create one, if i knew what the relevant part of menu.conf was supposed to be
[05:24] <slappy11> also, there is a depricated module that shouldnt be used in 2.6
[05:24] <kyubito> hi can someone help me configure my screen resolution .. for sum reasons i can only use 640*480 ..  tried changing resolution but it only gives me an option of 640*480 .... i just installed ubuntu
[05:24] <NotANick> thoreauputic: thanks
[05:24] <slappy11> kyubito: xresprobe
[05:25] <nickrud> kyubito: just exactly which monitor are you using: model and number
[05:25] <salvestrini> bigx5murf its as simple as following the guidelines in http://www.ubuntuguide.org to mount ntfs partition
[05:25] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: i have the memtest+ binary in /boot i'm sure... could someone paste me the lines privately or paste website?
[05:25] <kyubito> k thanks ill try it
[05:25] <mfinch> nickrud: I just read something from ubuntu's web site "sudo passwd -l root".  This will disable root.
[05:25] <nickrud> mfinch: something new daily, and it is the truth.
[05:25] <n3> question:: \] 
[05:25] <thoreauputic> NotANick: middlemouse.contentLoadURL false
[05:25] <n3> help..
[05:26] <mfinch> nickrud: thanks for the help though.  Need to go to bed.  Thanks.
[05:26] <nickrud> mfinch, ant thanks, it is worth knowing about.
[05:26] <salvestrini> also there is a problem with my fam (i am on a laptop)
[05:26] <n3> want to install ubuntu on P1
[05:26] <n3> having problems with resolution
[05:26] <n3> using acer 3d monitor
[05:26] <n3> Svga
[05:26] <mfinch> inickrud: -l is covered in "man password" if you want to know more about it.
[05:26] <mfinch> later.
[05:26] <crimsun> Dreamer3_: are you using Ubuntu's grub, though?
[05:26] <salvestrini> fan works well under windows, under linux it doesn't activate
[05:26] <nickrud> night
[05:26] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: no, debian sarge :) it's gonna be close :)
[05:26] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: it books ubuntu aok :)
[05:27] <crimsun> Dreamer3_: there should be a # memtest86=true
[05:27] <jubei> Can anyone help me to get mp3s burning in k3b? http://k3b.xcyb.org/. I follwoed this howto and I still cant burn mp3s in k3b http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=21044&page=1&pp=10
[05:27] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: i don't have grub installed in ubuntu
[05:27] <n3> ?
[05:27] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: or you mean in debian's file?
[05:27] <crimsun> Dreamer3_: http://pastebin.com/272626
[05:27] <salvestrini> so i was wondering if there were the toshiba utilities for ubuntu as well
[05:28] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: thanks, that's exaclyt what i need
[05:28] <n3> how does ubunu run on dell laptops/
[05:28] <n3> >\
[05:28] <n3> anyone know?
[05:28] <n3> can anyone help with resolution problem
[05:28] <n3> ?
[05:28] <Doomhammer> should run fine, kernel 2.6.9 and up have dell laptop support
[05:28] <n3> monitor cant handle rez
[05:28] <nickrud> n3 maybe
[05:28] <Doomhammer> for resolution, look in your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file
[05:29] <nickrud> n3, just what model is your laptop
[05:29] <n3> What im really trying to do is get it working on old Pentium
[05:29] <Doomhammer> ... now, I just installed ubuntu, got XMMS installed, transferred my MP3s
[05:29] <Doomhammer> added them to my XMMS playlist
[05:29] <frank> n3: how much ram do you have?
[05:29] <kev__> if install a kernel module source package (hostap-source) that gets a tar.bz2 dumped in /usr/src/, which then extracts to contain a debian subdirectory, whats the proper command to have the module built? ie, to make use of the debian/* files?
[05:29] <Doomhammer> double click on one to play... and XMMS becomes unresponsive
[05:29] <jordanau> n3, you might want to look at vector linux
[05:29] <n3> Im more wanting to replace the old win 95 sys on the P1
[05:29] <n3> the P1 has 146 MB ram
[05:29] <n3> aprox
[05:30] <n3> say 128 max
[05:30] <thoreauputic> Doomhammer: try setting the output plugin to esd
[05:30] <n3> laptop has a lot more
[05:30] <n3> but not worried about laptop now
[05:30] <Doomhammer> in XMMS's config, thoreauputic?
[05:30] <mrc3> hi all! anyone with ubuntu PPC?
[05:30] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: hmmm, what's the "Boot" line do, not all my entries have that
[05:30] <thoreauputic> Doomhammer: yup
[05:30] <jordanau> n3, that old of a computer you might want to consider a server only install
[05:30] <farruinn> mrc3: lots :)
[05:30] <salvestrini> mrc3 i had ubuntu ppc until my fbt faile
[05:30] <n3> well
[05:30] <salvestrini> *failed
[05:30] <n3> i want to run multimedia progs
[05:30] <n3> videos
[05:31] <n3> am currently using the pc to display videos in a shop
[05:31] <Doomhammer> thoreauputic: YAY! it works -- thanks :) :)
[05:31] <n3> for people to browse video files as a multimedia station
[05:31] <thoreauputic> Doomhammer: :)
[05:31] <salvestrini> m3 with your videocard its going to be a problem
[05:31] <frank> n3: on the P1?  videos???? that's probably an exercise in futility
[05:31] <n3> am running REALMEDIA, QUICKTIME and WMV files on WIN 95
[05:31] <kyubito> Slimview 500 is my monitor
[05:31] <n3> They work
[05:31] <Anubis> Every two days and 5hrs my desktop locks. And I have to reset the PC. Keyboard non responsive?
[05:31] <mrc3> farruinn, salvestrini, i have problems with my ubuntu-ppc: my mouse cursor freezes momentarily (like 200-300 ms or so) and my system clock lags like 2 minutes behind after 5 hours of being set. would you know why?
[05:31] <n3> the videos work
[05:32] <Dreamer3_> ok
[05:32] <n3> most of the videos are low rez form the web anyhow
[05:32] <frank> n3: oh ok. MPEG4 probbaly wuoldnt work
[05:32] <n3> wmv files
[05:32] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: after the memtest would rebooting into the warty kernel hurt anything for a test?
[05:32] <salvestrini> hmmm sounds like a hardware issue more than a software problem to me
[05:32] <n3> isnt wmv an mpg4 standard?
[05:32] <thoreauputic> ha
[05:33] <mrc3> salvestrini, it works fine with my linux from scratch, and never had a problem with ydl or mdk
[05:33] <thoreauputic> is anything from windows a standard?
[05:33] <crimsun> Dreamer3_: no.
[05:33] <n3> LOL
[05:33] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: ok, that's what i'll try then :)
[05:33] <n3> point taken
[05:33] <nickrud> thoraupticu: no
[05:33] <nickrud> L)
[05:33] <salvestrini> mmy mad mrc, ireally never ran into that problem with my installation
[05:34] <nickrud> OK, I have a general question.
[05:34] <fazer> what is the point of w32codecs?
[05:34] <nickrud> why does everyone have such hard to type nicks?
[05:34] <thoreauputic> I have a general answer...
[05:34] <farruinn> mrc3: I've never heard of that either
[05:34] <farruinn> mrc3: how much ram do you have? how fast is your harddisk?
[05:34] <salvestrini> brb
[05:34] <thoreauputic> nickrud: they haven't discovered tab completion?
[05:35] <Doomhammer> mine is easy, nickrud :)
[05:35] <farruinn> Anubis: anything in the system log?
[05:35] <kyubito> hi can someone help me configure my screen resolution .. for sum reasons i can only use 640*480 ..  tried changing resolution but it only gives me an option of 640*480 .... i just installed ubuntu ... my monitor is Slimview 500
[05:35] <nickrud> Doomhammer, yeah, thoureuputic, when I read it but .
[05:35] <goldfish> kyubito: hoary?
[05:35] <kev__> anyone have luck getting dlink dwl-520 e1's working in hoary?
[05:35] <kyubito> yup
[05:35] <Doomhammer> hehehe] 
[05:35] <Doomhammer> Hoary is nice
[05:35] <mrc3> farruinn, 384 MB in RAM. i have DMA set to 1 in hda. i'd guess my harddisk is fast, but wouldn't put my hand on fire for it
[05:36] <Doomhammer> just upgraded from Warty today ... I like :)
[05:36] <nickrud> tab complete: I must need something other than xchat
[05:36] <mrc3> salvestrini, first report, then! :)O
[05:36] <goldfish> kyubito: you cud try running 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' from command line
[05:36] <kyubito> k ill try
[05:36] <kyubito> thank
[05:36] <thoreauputic> nickrud: xchat does tab complete
[05:36] <kyubito> brb
[05:36] <goldfish> kk
[05:36] <Doomhammer> XChat is the best
[05:36] <bored2k> http://radiolistin.com/stream.html
[05:36] <nickrud> thoreauputic, so it does, doh
[05:36] <goldfish> irssi !
[05:36] <Doomhammer> hehehe irssi
[05:37] <farruinn> kyubito: it's probalby a horizsync, vertrefresh thing, choose at least medium when you get to monitor config
[05:37] <Doomhammer> i remember using that during a Gentoo install using the LiveCD ... :)
[05:37] <thoreauputic> irssi is very useful
[05:37] <thoreauputic> nice cli client
[05:37] <goldfish> hehe, it's the first irc client i used, wouldnt use anything else
[05:37] <salvestrini> ok im back
[05:37] <goldfish> dont like the gui thingies
[05:37] <nickrud> I've been spending far too much time being respectful, when the damn program will do it for me :)
[05:37] <salvestrini> yes mrc3 first report :)
[05:37] <Doomhammer> you use Lynx, then?
[05:38] <goldfish> oh no
[05:38] <thoreauputic> goldfish: you ubergeek, you :)
[05:38] <Doomhammer> no cli browser? n00b LOL
[05:38] <goldfish> just dont like gui irc clients
[05:38] <Doomhammer> ah :)
[05:38] <eykd> Hello, anyone know why a bunch of my devices (especially USB) are showing up under /.dev/ instead of /dev?
[05:39] <salvestrini> let me reboot into ubuntu so i can apply any config changes for the toshiba utilities
[05:39] <salvestrini> brb in a few
[05:39] <Doomhammer> eykd: no idea... is /.dev listed in your /etc/fstab?
[05:39] <PacoBCN> GnomeBaker is great but has some weird issues :S
[05:39] <eykd> Doomhammer: No, it's not.
[05:39] <jordanau> PacoBCN, agreed
[05:39] <Doomhammer> eykd: is any /dev filesystem listed?
[05:40] <MistaED> hey am i the only one who can't install quake 3 or any other ID game/patch/etc.?
[05:40] <eykd> This started with Warty, and I've since upgraded to Hoary.
[05:40] <farruinn> /.dev/ is used for installation/upgrade afaik
[05:40] <root_> crimsun: just for reference... dropped to init1 (single used mode) and 276MB of real memory in use with only 4 processes (login, bash, etc)... i'm rebooting now to run memtest
[05:40] <thr1ce> ok; ubuntu is rollin :)
[05:40] <PacoBCN> jordanau, somehow, it's the only software I can burn cds on the fly
[05:40] <eykd> Yes, I have both /dev/ and /.dev/
[05:40] <Doomhammer> lets see if I do ...
[05:40] <thr1ce> now, do I manually add my windows partitions to /etc/fstab ?
[05:40] <PacoBCN> jordanau, but it always complains about /dev/cdrom0 not mounted
[05:40] <Dreamer3> eeks, i'm running irssi as root, shame on me
[05:40] <PacoBCN> jordanau, happens to you too?
[05:40] <MistaED> i have two x86 machines which refuse to install, but my amd64 system had no problems, all running hoary 5.04
[05:40] <Dreamer3> Brent: brb
[05:40] <Doomhammer> I have both as well
[05:40] <jordanau> PacoBCN, I can't stand how long it takes to decompress mp3 to wav
[05:40] <eykd> farruinn: Does /.dev/ usually stick around after install/upgrade?
[05:41] <crimsun> yes
[05:41] <jordanau> PacoBCN, and in Warty it would lock up constanly
[05:41] <farruinn> eykd: yeah, but I'm not sure how it's used
[05:41] <Doomhammer> eykd: apparently it does, it did for me ... :S
[05:41] <PacoBCN> jordanau, oh, never tried that, sure it takes more than from command line?
[05:41] <jordanau> PacoBCN, I know that it is slower than my XP machine used to do it 15+ min
[05:42] <MistaED> i did a chmod +x on the quake 3 demo, and now the installer complains about unknown mime-type -r, -n, Verify, archive, integrity, etc.
[05:42] <fazer> hmmm
[05:42] <jordanau> PacoBCN, maybe even 20
[05:42] <eykd> Doomhammer, farruinn: Hmm-- has it caused any trouble with usb devices for you?
[05:42] <MistaED> i've looked around the net, and there's no solutions o__O
[05:42] <Doomhammer> eykd: I haven't really tried to use any USB devices...
[05:42] <thoreauputic> jordanau: linux audio programs do more thorough error checks
[05:42] <PacoBCN> jordanau, you might probably want to do it once in command line to find out if it's gnomebaker or the tool itself it uses to decompress
[05:42] <K_Dallas> hi guys! any descriptive link to help with installing USR 5610 faxmodems under ubuntu? (got USR rpm driver package but doesnt seem to work, used alien on it) thanks
[05:42] <fazer> MistaED: no solutions for?
[05:42] <farruinn> eykd, Doomhammer: same here
[05:42] <jordanau> thoreauputic, thanks
[05:43] <farruinn> haven't tried
[05:43] <PacoBCN> jordanau, anyway, it's weird, but it burns DVDs in my laptop really quick, quicker than in XP
[05:43] <MistaED> to the quake 3 demo installer problems
[05:43] <jordanau> PacoBCN, i will doesn't mpeg123 or something do that
[05:43] <eykd> Doomhammer, farruinn: Ah.  I guess I can just symlink it over, just I thought it was odd.
[05:43] <PacoBCN> jordanau, I think so. Can't check right now since it's recording ;)
[05:43] <jordanau> PacoBCN, the actually burning is 3 times as fast as my windows machine, i cant complain there
[05:44] <salvestrini> hello im back from my ubuntu installation
[05:44] <jordanau> salvestrini, how did it go?
[05:44] <Doomhammer> all good so far?
[05:44] <farruinn> eykd: you shouldn't have to do that, it may be a bug in the upgrade
[05:44] <salvestrini> fan works properly it fired up
[05:44] <PacoBCN> salvestrini, welcome, then
[05:44] <salvestrini> perfectly
[05:44] <farruinn> eykd: you should report it to the mailing list and report a bug if necessary
[05:44] <fazer> the installation is always perfect
[05:44] <salvestrini> fan worked as it is supposed to
[05:44] <MistaED> i've seen others with the same problem on linuxquestions.org, but all have no replies oddly
[05:44] <thr1ce> ok; any idea as to how I can add my windows NTFS partitions to be mounted ?
[05:44] <Doomhammer> what fan, salvestrini? case fan, hsf?
[05:44] <thr1ce> or where I should look to do this ?
[05:44] <Levande1> Anybody have a good link to article on how to back-up stuff in Warty?  Most specifically interested in dovecot and mysql
[05:45] <farruinn> thr1ce: do you know which partition number?
[05:45] <goldfish> thr1ce: www.ubuntuguide.org
[05:45] <Doomhammer> thrlce: you need to add them to your /etc/fstab... it should be commented on syntax
[05:45] <Levande1> probably just need a file list or something
[05:45] <salvestrini> laptop fan, using toshiba satellite m35-s320
[05:45] <MistaED> is there any dependencies for the ID installers or something?
[05:45] <thr1ce> farruinn, well, I think they got changed, so no
[05:45] <thr1ce> i tried adding them in /etc/fstab
[05:45] <Doomhammer> thrlce: after that, you should just be able to "mount /dev/partition /mnt/windows"
[05:45] <salvestrini> i still have a little problem
[05:45] <eykd> farruinn: Well, I've had it since my original Warty install, so I don't have any evidence it's a bug with Hoary.
[05:45] <jordanau> Levande1,  i think there are some good general lonux backup howtos on tldp
[05:45] <Doomhammer> salvestrini: can you mount them? what error does it give?
[05:45] <thr1ce> and just add a umask to it ?
[05:45] <farruinn> eykd: oooh, I thought it was an upgrade issue
[05:45] <thr1ce> and make sure its' ro
[05:45] <nickrud> salvestrini, who doesn't
[05:45] <thr1ce> ok; dumb question; can I not su in ubuntu ?
[05:46] <Doomhammer> no
[05:46] <Levande1> thr1ce: sudo
[05:46] <thr1ce> no su ?!
[05:46] <thr1ce> :(
[05:46] <Doomhammer> you can set it up so that you can by using the command "sudo passwd root"
[05:46] <goldfish> emm
[05:46] <Levande1> jordanau: yeah, i'll check those out, see what they say, thanks
[05:46] <nickrud> thr1ce, sudo -s
[05:46] <K_Dallas> thr1ce, there is no root account anyway :)
[05:46] <salvestrini> no errors, last time i booted ubuntu the fan didnt turn on for a long tme
[05:46] <thr1ce> ok...hehe
[05:46] <nickrud> salvestrini, what fan
[05:46] <Agrajag> K_Dallas: yes there is
[05:46] <Doomhammer> thrlce: use that command I typed up there to "create" a root account
[05:46] <Agrajag> it has no password, but it does exist
[05:47] <K_Dallas> Agrajag, if you define it
[05:47] <salvestrini> i have a laptop, it only has one fan
[05:47] <K_Dallas> or activate it
[05:47] <Doomhammer> thus the quoted "create" ;)
[05:47] <Agrajag> K_Dallas: if an account is in /etc/passwd, it exists.
[05:47] <K_Dallas> ok
[05:47] <Agrajag> root is in /etc/passwd, it just has no defined password
[05:47] <salvestrini> i honestly dont know where is that connected
[05:47] <nickrud> salvestrini, and?
[05:47] <K_Dallas> now could you help me with my modem installation? ;)
[05:47] <Levande1> Has anybody seen the ubuntu wiki page on mail formats?  It says something about not being able to see mail being delivered by postfix in dovecot by default.  But, I thought that's exactly what I was doing.  Here's the page: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MailStorageStandardisation
[05:47] <PacoBCN> dammit, I just wish I could start powernowd
[05:47] <Doomhammer> Agrajag: aren't some accounts that exist not in /etc/passwd? like the user "apache", for example?
[05:48] <Scuddie> Can you deactivate root once you learn your way around sudo?
[05:48] <Agrajag> what do you mean?
[05:48] <Agrajag> of course apache exists as an account
[05:48] <Levande1> Doomhammer: it's not apache, it's www-data and it's in /etc/passwd, check if you like
[05:48] <K_Dallas> any descriptive link to help with installing USR 5610 faxmodems under ubuntu? (got USR rpm driver package but doesnt seem to work, used alien on it) thanks
[05:48] <salvestrini> well last time i booted the fan wouldnt work, booted to win os and worked as suppoesed to
[05:48] <Agrajag> Scuddie: sudo passwd -l root
[05:48] <thr1ce> any easy way to see where my windows is ?
[05:48] <salvestrini> now fan fired up just under two mins ago
[05:48] <Doomhammer> Levandel: hrm... It's "apache" on Gentoo... guess I just have to get used to Ubuntu ;)
[05:48] <salvestrini> ill monitor it as time goes by
[05:48] <K_Dallas> thr1ce, try fdisk on your /dev/hda /dev/hdb etc
[05:48] <thr1ce> i can't find it in dmesg
[05:49] <PacoBCN> Great, 4.7 DVD burn time: 07:53
[05:49] <nickrud> salvestrini, so maybe linux is using the fan when it's needed, and off when not
[05:49] <chaotic_linux> is there a dowloading softwear like imesh for warty warthog
[05:49] <Levande1> thr1ce: see where your windows is? what does that mean?
[05:49] <goldfish> windows partition maybe?
[05:49] <thr1ce> Levande1, which /dev/hdXX it is assigned
[05:49] <ritalin> anyone know where i can get a recent .deb for fluxbox?
[05:49] <salvestrini> maybe im being paranoid about the damn fan
[05:49] <ritalin> the one in apt is old
[05:49] <waseem> hi is there a command i can type in the terminal to see what kind fo video card i have?
[05:49] <salvestrini> anyway
[05:49] <chaotic_linux> is there a dowloading softwear like imesh for warty warthog
[05:49] <nickrud> Levande1, you mean you're using imap for accessing your mail
[05:50] <salvestrini> thats not important
[05:50] <chaotic_linux> is there a dowloading softwear like imesh for warty warthog
[05:50] <chaotic_linux> is there a dowloading softwear like imesh for warty warthog
[05:50] <Levande1> nickrud: yeah, using dovecot as an imap server
[05:50] <nj> chaotic_linux: stop spamming
[05:50] <farruinn> please don't do that
[05:50] <salvestrini> what is important
[05:50] <nj> chaotic_linux: look for "gift"
[05:50] <chaotic_linux> srry
[05:50] <salvestrini> is that mplayerplug-in freezes
[05:50] <Levande1> nickrud: just don't know what that page means, "can't export mail from postfix to dovecot by default", that's exactly what I'm doing
[05:50] <Doomhammer> can I use Winamp 5 themes with XMMS?
[05:50] <nj> chaotic_linux: there is a client for directconnect and edonkey
[05:51] <waseem> is there a command i can type in the terminal to see what kind fo video card i have?
[05:51] <Levande1> Doomhammer: no
[05:51] <thr1ce> wasabi, lspci, search for it
[05:51] <Doomhammer> darn... can't use my MMD3...
[05:51] <nj> Doomhammer: doubt it
[05:51] <Doomhammer> i'll just have to find a suitable XMMS theme then ;(
[05:51] <thoreauputic> Doomhammer: winamp 2 only, as far as I know
[05:51] <nickrud> Levande1, wait one, need to look at my configs for a sec
[05:51] <dle> Hi. Does anyone know of a deb for mplayerplug-in?
[05:51] <ritalin> anyone?
[05:51] <thr1ce> ok; I found 1 of them
[05:51] <thr1ce> can't find the other
[05:51] <nj> Doomhammer: maybe have a look into beep player it may accept winamp5 skins
[05:51] <fazer> Doomhammer: what type of music do you lisen to?
[05:51] <charles> hey
[05:51] <K_Dallas> Doomhammer, i am not sure but search sf.net i think i read somethign there recently on using winamp themes on a player for linux
[05:51] <Levande1> nickrud: yeah, i'll wait, don't know what your checking, but i'll wait, let me know
[05:51] <charles> im having aproblem
[05:52] <salvestrini> dle, just look for the deb in synaptic
[05:52] <thr1ce> no way to search where my ntfs partition is mounted to ?
[05:52] <Doomhammer> fazer: i listen to prog rock, metal, punk rock, stuff like that
[05:52] <Sophistication> Doomhammer, http://tinyurl.com/8uym3
[05:52] <fazer> Doomhammer: ah, I am listening to Tool right now =/
[05:52] <charles> i forgot the commands to compress files
[05:52] <Doomhammer> what XMMS themes do you guys use?
[05:52] <Levande1> thr1ce: type "mount", it will list all mounted partitions
[05:52] <jc> can someone help me out on setting up my screen resolution ... im using hoarty .. n i  my monitor is Slimview 500 ..
[05:52] <salvestrini> so what i did was uninstall mplayerplug-in and install mozplugger
[05:52] <thoreauputic> dle: mozilla-mplayer
[05:52] <K_Dallas> charles, compress used to be fine under unix :)
[05:52] <Doomhammer> jc: look in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[05:52] <farruinn> charles: gzip, bzip2, tar...
[05:52] <eykd> Next question: printing through cups.  I set up a printer through gnome-cups-manager, then print a test page.  The job goes through and disappears, but the printer never does anything.
[05:52] <jc> then
[05:52] <salvestrini> mozplugger works but there is no sound
[05:52] <Levande1> charles: "tar cf"
[05:52] <charles> i bring up the terminal but i forgot
[05:52] <jc> what do i do after that
[05:53] <charles> thx every one
[05:53] <nickrud> Levande1, the only changes I made to /etc/posfix/main.cf to get imap working were:
[05:53] <Levande1> eykd: be surprised if you get answer here with those symptons, gonna need to dig more
[05:53] <Doomhammer> there should be a "Screen" section, listing your resolution modes
[05:53] <dle> thoreauputic: thanks!
[05:53] <eykd> Levande1: Any suggestions where to start?
[05:53] <Doomhammer> change those, and then restart X Windows (or just restart the whole computer), and you should be good to go :)
[05:53] <Levande1> eykd: no, sorry, never used cups
[05:53] <waseem> i have an nvidia geforce 2 video card, is there any reason why descent 3 isnt working on my system?
[05:53] <nickrud> mailbox_command = /usr/bin/procmail -a "$EXTENSION" <new line> home_mailbox=Maildir/
[05:54] <Levande1> eykd: maybe somebody else has good link to cups faqs / docs?
[05:54] <charles> any 1 know how to use dev c++, python, or qbasic?
[05:54] <waseem> i installed it correctly, but the main screen always pixelizes and freezes
[05:54] <jc> k thanks .. will try
[05:54] <dle> thoreauputic: apt-cache search doesn't return anything on that term.  What rep. is it in, do you know?
[05:54] <frank> are there other bittorent clients for linux as good as azureus featurewise but less heavy on resources?
[05:54] <nickrud> Levande1, this worked with both courier and dovecot
[05:54] <Levande1> nickrud: what does that addition do?
[05:54] <K_Dallas> Any help with installing USR 5610 faxmodems under ubuntu? (got USR rpm driver package but doesnt seem to work, used alien on it) thanks
[05:54] <thoreauputic> dle: multiverse
[05:54] <Doomhammer> http://www.geocities.com/tipsforlinux/articles/5.html -- that looks promising on Winamp Skins for XMMS... :)
[05:54] <salvestrini> frank try azureus, it's a good bittorrent client
[05:54] <Levande1> I receive mail all the time with dovecot, is it somehow not using postfix internally??
[05:54] <nickrud> First, it tells postfix to deliver mail using the program postfix.
[05:54] <dle> thoreauputic: Ah, that explains it.
[05:55] <frank> salvestrini, you skipped some words.... ;-)
[05:55] <flan> How can I get GTK-Gnutella?
[05:55] <Levande1> nickrud: but i'm getting my mail via dovecot without that line
[05:55] <schbond> I am getting error: "bad number of buttons, must have 5 instead of 7" when I try to run "xmodmap -e 'pointer = 1 2 3 6 7 4 5'"
[05:55] <nickrud> second, it tells postfix that it's delivering mail to a maildir type mail store in your home directory.
[05:55] <Dreamer3> crimsun: i got thru 3 tests aok... i don't have time to do that now obviously... i booted into 2.6.8.1... we'll see how it goes
[05:55] <chaotic_linux> i need help to install gIFT
[05:55] <nickrud> First, it tells postfix to deliver mail using the program procmail :)
[05:55] <schbond> running Ubuntu 5.04, xorg 6.8.2, Logitech MX500 (USB)...
[05:55] <salvestrini> sorry frank my keyboard behaves a little funny
[05:56] <flan> I have tried apt-get install gtk-gnutella and it won't work
[05:56] <jair_11> hello  guys
[05:56] <sig> I'm suprised there hasn't been one package update since Hoary was released
[05:56] <jair_11> I am new to ubuntu
[05:56] <IIIEars> i found a replacement for DVDshrink called ldvd - it is ported to everything source is available
[05:56] <nickrud> Levande1, so what's the problem?
[05:56] <jair_11> first time I will be installing it today
[05:56] <jair_11> I have been noticing that is base on debian correct?
[05:56] <Levande1> nickrud: just thought that page was wierd, i'm getting mail fine, but that page seems to be saying that I shouldn't be
[05:56] <frank> salvestrini, no I meant that I knew about azureus  "...bittorent clients for linux as good as azureus featurewise but less heavy on resources"
[05:56] <Levande1> nickrud: was wondering if something was going on i didn't know about
[05:56] <chaotic_linux> i need help to install gIFT
[05:57] <salvestrini> o sorry about that frank
[05:57] <jair_11> ubuntu can be use for server "enterprise" edition and for "client"?
[05:57] <thoreauputic> flan: it's in universe
[05:57] <Levande1> nickrud: why would mail have to be "delivered"?
[05:57] <salvestrini> i havent seen any other bittorrent for linux that comes close to azureus
[05:57] <jair_11> I have the version 5.04 in my hands ready to install it.
[05:57] <farruinn> azureus is the best imo
[05:57] <SkyNet> salvestrini, there is azeureus for linux
[05:57] <jair_11> please  I need some answers
[05:57] <chaotic_linux> i need help to install gIFT
[05:58] <Doomhammer> jair_11: what's your question?
[05:58] <salvestrini> couple of questions, is there a way to enable 3d acceleration for an iMac running Hoary?
[05:58] <jair_11> Doomhammer, how are you?
[05:58] <farruinn> jair_11: I don't know what you mean by enterprise and client, but yeah Ubuntu is based on debian
[05:58] <jair_11> Doomhammer, ok
[05:58] <\sh> morning all
[05:58] <Doomhammer> jair_11: pretty good ... do I know you?
[05:58] <Levande1> nickrud: pretty sure I just get it directly from dovecot to my mail client, don't know why it would have to be "delivered"
[05:58] <jair_11> it is base how much porcent?
[05:58] <farruinn> salvestrini: what's the video card?
[05:58] <chaotic_linux> i need help to install gIFT
[05:58] <nickrud> Levande1, that page may simply be out of date, as am i
[05:58] <salvestrini> ati 128 rage pro
[05:58] <IIIEars> enterprise has a server remote deployment and marketing "buzz" - grin
[05:59] <jair_11> Doomhammer, how much porcent of debian is ubuntu made off and what version sarge woody or sid?
[05:59] <farruinn> jair_11: afaik all the packages in debian are in ubuntu
[05:59] <farruinn> and then some
[05:59] <jair_11> Doomhammer, ohhh ok
[05:59] <farruinn> salvestrini: I think the default driver is ati, I think you can change that to r128
[05:59] <Levande1> nickrud: yeah, i hate that,
[05:59] <schbond> anyone thumb buttons working for MX500 under xorg 6.8.2?
[05:59] <Levande1> okay, thanks nickrud!
[05:59] <nickrud> Levande1, if you have Maildir in your home directory, and mail is getting there, you have no problem
[05:59] <jair_11> and what about the situation I was having of not root password?
[05:59] <Doomhammer> jair_11: not sure, AFAIK Ubuntu just uses the APT package manager and uses Debian packages
[05:59] <jair_11> the first version i saw did not let you configure a root password?
[05:59] <Levande1> nickrud: the mail file is in /var/spool/mail or something like that I think
[05:59] <salvestrini> farruinn whenever i did that xorg would kick me out
[05:59] <jair_11> ohh
[05:59] <farruinn> jair_11: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[05:59] <jair_11> ok
[05:59] <Doomhammer> jair_11: that can be fixed by doing "sudo passwd root" -- you can also just use "sudo" for all root tasks
[06:00] <farruinn> salvestrini: oh weird
[06:00] <jair_11> ohhh ok
[06:00] <jair_11> but then perfect
[06:00] <chaotic_linux> i need help to install gIFT
[06:00] <Doomhammer> Ubuntu is pretty good
[06:00] <nickrud> Levande1, that's where mail ends up if dovecot doesn't handle it
[06:00] <jair_11> I was reading something about enterprise version?
[06:00] <Doomhammer> it's a nice mix between user friendly and power user :)
[06:00] <Levande1> nickrud: actually, i think inbox is there, all the other folders look like there in ~/mail
[06:00] <IIIEars> Ubuntu just plain does everything with out too much effort. - Installed it and customised it to my liking in just a few hours. - :)
[06:00] <farruinn> jair_11: maybe you mean the support you can buy from canonical?
[06:00] <chaotic_linux> can anyone help?
[06:00] <Levande1> nickrud: I assume my mail client downloads them there
[06:00] <dantheman> does anyone know a good gmail checker for gnome?
[06:00] <jair_11> Doomhammer, I was reading a lot about it and the nicest thing is that is based on Debian
[06:00] <salvestrini> heh keys are sticky
[06:01] <jordanau> chaotic_linux, it is on synaptic...
[06:01] <thr1ce> hm; how alsaconf is not found; how can I setup alsa on ubuntu ?
[06:01] <jair_11> hmmm
[06:01] <chaotic_linux> thx
[06:01] <Levande1> nickrud: but, when i access dovecot from a remote machine, i can still view the mail in those folders in my home directory
[06:01] <salvestrini> and the fan hasn't gone on since ubuntu started up
[06:01] <thr1ce> anyone have a good alsa guide ?  I'm lost without my alsaconf!
[06:01] <Doomhammer> jair_11: yes, debian is a good OS ... I haven't used it extensively, but Ubuntu is great :)
[06:01] <jordanau> dantheman, yeah i think there is one avaiable already
[06:01] <jair_11> Doomhammer, but at the installation process you get the root prompt password creation?
[06:01] <IIIEars> salve - wow same here i hadn't noticed it until you said that
[06:01] <Doomhammer> thrlce: have you tried "apt-get install alsaconf"?
[06:01] <Levande1> nickrud: but I see what you're saying about ending up there if not delivered, maybe it's along those lines that that wiki page is talking about
[06:01] <jair_11> cool
[06:02] <jordanau> dantheman, just right click > add to panel > and find the email notifier
[06:02] <nickrud> Levande1, then I guess you really have no problems, since it *just works*
[06:02] <Doomhammer> jair_11: no, you'll have to set the root password after install -- or just use SUDO
[06:02] <salvestrini> any way i can get the toshiba utilities?
[06:02] <IIIEars> lol - windows is piggish
[06:02] <jordanau> dantheman, i am in xfce and cant check it right now
[06:02] <thoreauputic> Doomhammer: there's no alsaconf in Ubuntu
[06:02] <jair_11> Doomhammer, ohh ok
[06:02] <Levande1> nickrud: yeah, just trying to learn more about the mail system cause I have to back it up tomorrow
[06:02] <dantheman> alright, i'll look
[06:02] <thr1ce> yes, there is no alsaconf
[06:02] <farruinn> salvestrini: I've got an ati rage 128 in my B&W g3 and the r128 driver works with it (not sure I'm getting any hardware acceleration though)
[06:02] <Levande1> nickrud: wanna make sure I get all the right files
[06:03] <Doomhammer> how come the Linux firefox has Edit > Preferences, but the windows version has Tools > Options?
[06:03] <thr1ce> no place to setup alsa ?
[06:03] <salvestrini> ty farruinn
[06:03] <hyphenated> Doomhammer: ask the firefox guys
[06:03] <Levande1> Doomhammer: are they both the same version of firefox?
[06:03] <nickrud> Levande1, ok most important is where your mail is. Is it in ~/Maildir
[06:03] <Levande1> nickrud: no, in two places 1.) ~/mail, and the other /var/spool/mail
[06:03] <jair_11> farruinn, but I was reading on the ubuntu web site, that is something about enterprise?
[06:04] <Levande1> nickrud: i think /var/spool/mail is my Inbox
[06:04] <Levande1> nickrud: but some things i've deleted and removed from the trash are still in that spool file
[06:04] <thoreauputic> jair_11: canonical sell support, I believe
[06:04] <k-otik> did anyone else hear about the ability to make gmail into a shell to store things?
[06:04] <k-otik> or was that just me?
[06:04] <thr1ce> can noone help me?  :(
[06:04] <nickrud> Levande1, ok, I'm backing off, we need a mail expert :)
[06:05] <jair_11> hmm but when they are talking about the "enterprise edition" they mean the same cd and os of ubuntu in this case the version 5.04?
[06:05] <dr_willis> k-otik,  not a shell account from what i hear. some sort of 'storeing attachments'
[06:05] <thoreauputic> k-otik: there's a thing called gmail file system or something like that
[06:05] <k-otik> can you store anything you want?
[06:05] <farruinn> why is there no search box on the ubuntulinux.org pages now?
[06:05] <nickrud> Legendre, but from what you've said, backing up /var/spool/mail and any users' ~/mail will be a beginning.
[06:05] <Levande1> nickrud: okay, thanks for the help
[06:06] <salvestrini> anyhow im at my laptop now
[06:06] <thr1ce> does anyone use alsa ?
[06:06] <thoreauputic> farruinn: top right, click "search"
[06:06] <salvestrini> and there are a number of thinga i'd like to work with
[06:06] <salvestrini> namely
[06:06] <Levande1> nickrud: at least now i better understand the questions i'm asking!
[06:06] <dr_willis> thr1ce,  alsa is the standard sound system now a days :P so that would be yes fo rmost of us.
[06:06] <Levande1> nickrud: am poking around some now
[06:06] <nickrud> thr1ce, everyone does, it's just that not many people understand it.
[06:06] <thr1ce> how can I configure it ?  i'm used to alsaconf
[06:07] <jair_11> it is anyway of use ubuntu as a kubuntu?
[06:07] <robitaille> farruinn,  there is a search on the web page...top right corner click on "search"
[06:07] <thr1ce> when I try to use it, it says that it is not configured properly
[06:07] <nickrud> Levande1, read /etc/postfix/main.cf
[06:07] <jair_11> if I like the kde instead the gnome ?
[06:07] <Levande1> nickrud: good idea, i'm checking it
[06:07] <thoreauputic> jair_11: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[06:07] <IIIEars> 15% CPU usage - this thing would be near 60-80% using the redmond os - impressed.
[06:07] <farruinn> robitaille: I see that clearly, however that is more time consuming
[06:07] <robzulah> Can anyone help me with a problem installing KDE?
[06:07] <jair_11> nickrud, are you running the email server post fix?
[06:07] <salvestrini> 1) toshiba utilities, 2) sound in mozillaplugger and 3) weird keyboard problem
[06:07] <fazer> Michelle Branch is... meh
[06:07] <nickrud> jair_11, not by choice :)
[06:07] <thr1ce> nickrud, any idea how to even set it up ?
[06:08] <jair_11> thoreauputic, so I can download the ubuntu normally then just install the desktop manager?
[06:08] <thr1ce> dr_willis, or you, how to initially set up alsa to find my sound card ?
[06:08] <jair_11> nickrud, what do you mean?
[06:08] <farruinn> jair_11: or you could use the kubuntu cd
[06:08] <thoreauputic> jair_11: if you want kde only, install kubuntu, else use the command I gave you to install kde
[06:08] <farruinn> jair_11: if that's not possible do a "server" install of ubuntu then install kubuntu-desktop
[06:08] <nickrud> jair_11, I'm just venting, postfix is fine, it's just not what I'm used to
[06:09] <robzulah> does kubuntu come on the same CD as GNOME Ubuntu?
[06:09] <jair_11> ohhh ok
[06:09] <thoreauputic> robzulah: no, it wouldn't fit
[06:09] <jair_11> ohh
[06:09] <robzulah> dang
[06:09] <jair_11> that is good to know
[06:09] <dr_willis> thr1ce,  it saw mine.. are you sure your volume settings are not just set to zero or muted?
[06:09] <jair_11> thoreauputic, that is good to know
[06:09] <IIIEars> It's nice i tried it. - Ubuntu is nicer :)
[06:09] <jair_11> then I think i will have to wait
[06:10] <thr1ce> dr_willis, yes; when I try to play sound from alsa, it complains that it is not configured properly
[06:10] <robzulah> when I try to install through synaptic it wont install some of the files, it says like Depends: *filename* but will not be installed.
[06:10] <jair_11> I want to use the kde instead the gnome
[06:10] <thoreauputic> robzulah: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[06:10] <smouche> jair_11, check out #kubuntu
[06:10] <hksdu> hi, one quick question, what's the name of the nice lite desktop manager? FIce or something like that?
[06:10] <Sophistication> thr1ce, what snd card do you have?
[06:10] <dr_willis> jair_11,  you can always install kubuntu packages on a ubuntu install. trivially easy :P
[06:10] <robzulah> The repository is added I think, I see KDE in the list on Synaptic
[06:10] <dr_willis> hksdu,  xfce perhaps.
[06:11] <smouche> er, sorry, I meant that for robzulah
[06:11] <farruinn> jair_11: get kubuntu then, www.kubuntu.org
[06:11] <thr1ce> Sophistication, ok; fixed it (wrong channel)\
[06:11] <salvestrini> o yeah one thing i'd like to get wpa support for my wireless adapter, how do i get about doing that?
[06:11] <thr1ce> but now, I can't hear anything
[06:11] <thr1ce> and i know it's nto muted
[06:11] <hksdu> dr_willis: thanks, because I will not have enough space to run Gnome and KDE
[06:11] <Sophistication> thr1ce, is this a audigy snd card?
[06:11] <thr1ce> Sophistication, yes, it uses snd
[06:11] <jair_11> perfect guys thanks
[06:12] <Sophistication> thr1ce, Item: Audigy Analog/Digital Output Jack see if thats on if not hit m on it in alsamixer
[06:12] <thr1ce> and the ac97 is modprobed
[06:12] <dr_willis> I have a sound blaster AUdigy2 -  the mixer entries have a lot of sliders. and if you enable the digital out by mistake  you may get no sound.
[06:14] <thr1ce> Sophistication, everything is unmuted in alsamixer
[06:16] <thr1ce> Sophistication, when I select default in xmms, it says that it's busy; it will only "play" when it's on "hw:0,2"
[06:16] <thr1ce> Sophistication, on 0,0 and 0,1, it claims to be busy
[06:16] <Sophistication> thr1ce, in xmms use alsa instead of oss
[06:16] <thr1ce> Sophistication, that's what i'm screwing with
[06:17] <Sophistication> for some odd reason xmms in ubuntu uses oss by default instead of alsa..
[06:17] <thr1ce> Sophistication, I did change it, and am using hw:0,2
[06:17] <thr1ce> it's playing, but no sound
[06:17] <thr1ce> and everything is unmuted
[06:18] <Sophistication> thr1ce, once again what sound card do you have is this a onboard snd card, Or is it a pci snd card, Also what brand is this snd card
[06:18] <thr1ce> Realtek ALC650E
[06:18] <Sophistication> this is on your mb I take it then
[06:19] <thr1ce> yes
[06:19] <Sophistication> 2 things I can think of off hand I would check out
[06:19] <thr1ce> ok\
[06:20] <Sophistication> 1st is even though your using a 2.6 kernel that supports pnp so it says make sure pnp aware os is off in the bios, as this can cause funky irq driving issues & cause hardware to not fuction
[06:20] <Sophistication> 2nd you may need to find another driver & install.
[06:20] <thr1ce> yes, standard 2.6.10
[06:20] <thr1ce> Sophistication, hm...another alsa driver ?
[06:21] <LeeJunFan> how can I enable cups http admin funcitons w/o GNOME?
[06:21] <jannifer> how do I receive faxes?
[06:21] <thr1ce> Sophistication, well, it's a fresh install
[06:21] <BaSsPlAyEr> hey guys
[06:22] <evan_> hey bass
[06:22] <Sophistication> thr1ce, so how was slackware for you?
[06:22] <BaSsPlAyEr> i have a problem.........
[06:22] <thr1ce> Sophistication, i setup with alsaconf, and it worked fine initially
[06:22] <fazer> we all do
[06:22] <evan_> ok
[06:23] <BaSsPlAyEr> how exactly do u instal a program from a cd?? it wont work for some reason
[06:23] <evan_> how are you going about it?
[06:23] <Sophistication> thr1ce, do you have this same issue in slackware?
[06:23] <thr1ce> Sophistication, no
[06:24] <jannifer> http://freshmeat.net/projects/hcfpcimodem/
[06:24] <mitch_> whats the default root pass?
[06:24] <thr1ce> ok; and I can't find guifications
[06:25] <thoreauputic> mitch_: there isn't one - use sudo with your user pass
[06:25] <mitch_> k
[06:25] <Doomhammer> what is the difference between the default install and the "server" install, besides now x windows on the server install?
[06:25] <thoreauputic> mitch_: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[06:26] <thr1ce> ugh...this sucks
[06:26] <evan_> thr1ce, what sucks?
[06:26] <thr1ce> evan_, i can't get alsa to work
[06:27] <thr1ce> evan_, in xmms, I try running alsa on hw:0,2, and it plays, but no sound; it's unmuted and everything
[06:27] <thoreauputic> Doomhammer: the server install is "expert" and expects you to know what you want and how to get it (in simple terms)
[06:28] <thoreauputic> thr1ce: tried using esd as output in xmms?
[06:28] <evan_> thr1ce, odd
[06:28] <salvestrini> hello
[06:28] <evan_> thr1ce, is it possible you have more than one sound card?
[06:29] <thr1ce> evan_, nope; well, esound works alright
[06:29] <thr1ce> just bothers me I guess
[06:29] <salvestrini> hmmm, fan has not worked since i started up the computer under linux
[06:30] <JoshuaSydney> crimsun: how can you check what mouse port does my computer have..?
[06:30] <thoreauputic> thr1ce: esound is still using alsa - it's just a sound daemon
[06:30] <thr1ce> ooh, ok
[06:30] <thr1ce> alright, neat; this will work
[06:31] <thr1ce> and can I setup fglrx for 3d accel, or must I compile from source ?
[06:31] <JoshuaSydney> guys, how can you check what mouse port does the computer have in ubuntu?
[06:31] <farruinn> see the BinaryDrivers wiki page
[06:31] <JoshuaSydney> what do you type in?
[06:31] <dr_willis> thr1ce,  it can work   - if you are lucky
[06:31] <thr1ce> :(
[06:31] <JoshuaSydney> .
[06:31] <dhirsch> mmmm hoary is shiny :)
[06:31] <JoshuaSydney> ..
[06:31] <dr_willis> JoshuaSydney,  Hmm.. check to see where the mouse is plugged in at?
[06:31] <JoshuaSydney> i did
[06:32] <JoshuaSydney> i plugged in into serial mouse
[06:32] <thoreauputic> thr1ce: http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:32] <salvestrini> shouldnt it be /dev/mouse?
[06:32] <JoshuaSydney> as the PS/2 doesn't work
[06:32] <dr_willis> serial -  UGH :P they still malke those?
[06:32] <JoshuaSydney> well... its an old computer
[06:32] <thr1ce> can I just use xorg-driver-fglrx ?
[06:32] <JoshuaSydney> unfortunately...
[06:33] <JoshuaSydney> is there any device listing... such as lspci -v for listing PCI devices...
[06:33] <JoshuaSydney> in ubuntu
[06:33] <jannifer> lspci works actually
[06:33] <thoreauputic> JoshuaSydney: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-3839.html
[06:33] <thoreauputic> JoshuaSydney: about using a serial nouse
[06:33] <JoshuaSydney> opening...
[06:33] <jannifer> salvestrini, usually /dev/input/mice these days
[06:33] <thoreauputic> *mouse
[06:33] <salvestrini> ty jannifer
[06:34] <ryman> anyone know how to configure Evolution with gmail ?
[06:34] <salvestrini> anyone please help me with my issues?
[06:34] <jannifer> ryman, not sure that it can
[06:34] <SQL_Sam> Hey everyone - First time newb just installed Ubuntu - it is sweet!!
[06:35] <jannifer> ryman, oh yes, if you use pop
[06:35] <ryman> gmail supports pop
[06:35] <fazer> SQL_Sam: yeah, its pretty nice.
[06:35] <JoshuaSydney> thank you thoreauputic, i'm trying it now
[06:35] <thoreauputic> JoshuaSydney: if this is hoary, use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg instead
[06:35] <kaesehummer> ryman, http://gmail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=12103
[06:35] <jannifer> http://gmail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=13287
[06:35] <farruinn> ryman: if it supports imap I'd go with that
[06:35] <SQL_Sam> i do have a question (think i know the answer) some things are really slow, do i basically need more ram?
[06:36] <jannifer> it supports imap4 and imap4rev1
[06:36] <fazer> SQL_Sam: be more specific?
[06:36] <thoreauputic> SQL_Sam: how much RAM do you have?
[06:36] <fazer> SQL_Sam: What things are slow?
[06:36] <JoshuaSydney> im  using warth
[06:36] <SQL_Sam> firefox, and basically opening anything graphical
[06:36] <ryman> farruinn|  i dont think it support imap
[06:36] <fazer> SQL_Sam: Hmm...and how much ram do you have?
[06:36] <ryman> do you know any free email that I can use with evolution ?
[06:37] <salvestrini> i also have a question, my laptop's fan has not worked since i turned on the machine and im worried that the heat may affect my computer how can i check that thermal info is working properly?
[06:37] <thoreauputic> JoshuaSydney: on warty just follow what the howto says, then
[06:37] <Sophistication> ryman, log into gmail then goto the help options they have a guide for ev via pop
[06:37] <fazer> salvestrini: is your laptop plugged into the AC daptor?
[06:37] <SQL_Sam> dont even know to be honest - been looking on the web to see how i find that out....
[06:37] <Doomhammer> SQL_Sam you'll probobly want at least 128MB of RAM to run GNOME
[06:37] <JoshuaSydney> yeah kewl
[06:37] <JoshuaSydney> trying
[06:37] <salvestrini> yes
[06:37] <fazer> SQL_Sam: open up the terminal
[06:37] <farruinn> ryman: jannifer said it supports imap4
[06:37] <SQL_Sam> k
[06:37] <fazer> SQL_Sam: and type 'cat /proc/meminfo' wihtout the ticks
[06:37] <thr1ce> um...should I not be running fglrxconfig ?
[06:37] <kaesehummer> ryman, http://gmail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=12103
[06:37] <Alfred1881> hey all, me the noob is back
[06:37] <ryman> Sophistication|  I'm there http://gmail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=12103
[06:37] <Alfred1881> so i was saying i'd like to install kubuntu beside mandrake (also kde3.4, , with konstruct) . Will the konstruct file in /home affect kde3.4 on Kubuntu ?
[06:37] <thr1ce> it's using a crappy version of the old xfree stuff
[06:38] <thoreauputic> SQL_Sam: type  cat /proc/meminfo to see your ram
[06:38] <fazer> salvestrini: that is...strange...are you sure you are not hearing the fan?
[06:38] <ryman> kaesehummer|  thanks for the link
[06:38] <SQL_Sam> k - doing now...
[06:38] <salvestrini> i am positive,, the fan is loud when it comes on i notice
[06:38] <kaesehummer> ryman, yup
[06:38] <ryman> farruinn|  jannifer didn't say it supports imap4
[06:38] <fazer> SQL_Sam: just tell us the first line that you get.
[06:38] <thr1ce> what x.org does hoary ship with ?
[06:38] <fazer> SQL_Sam: The MemTotal: one
[06:38] <jannifer> ryman, google only supports pop though
[06:38] <jannifer> er, gmail
[06:39] <Sophistication> ryman, use the thunderbird guide its bascially the same cept for its gonna look different in ev etc but the ports & the way to config is the same.
[06:39] <farruinn> jannifer: jannifer : it supports imap4 and imap4rev1?
[06:39] <waseem> hey im trying to play tuxracer on my computer but its really laggy, is there any reason for that?
[06:39] <IIIEars> I need to have an CLI that flashes an error message stat open long enough to read what it says - How do i do that? (nothing said about it in the system logs)
[06:39] <ryman> Sophistication|  thanks
[06:39] <thr1ce> anyone have an ATI card working with 3D accel?
[06:39] <jannifer> farruinn, evolution does
[06:39] <thoreauputic> waseem: you don't have 3d graphics, most likely
[06:39] <JoshuaSydney> oh my still doesn't work... trying 2 serial ports possibilities already
[06:39] <SQL_Sam> first line: memtotal 43964 kb
[06:39] <farruinn> jannifer: oh, sorry, misinterpreted
[06:39] <dr_willis> thr1ce,  yep. it was very easy under ubuntu.. followed that binary driver howto.. installed the packages and edited one line in the x config.
[06:40] <waseem> thoreaputic: yes i do
[06:40] <fazer> SQL_Sam: Woah...that is...very little.
[06:40] <ryman> Sophistication|  do you kow whats the port for gmail ?
[06:40] <SQL_Sam> that is what i though
[06:40] <SQL_Sam> thought
[06:40] <Doomhammer> 43964 / 1024 = MBs of RAM
[06:40] <thr1ce> dr_willis, but this wants to write an xfree86-4
[06:40] <thr1ce> not x.org
[06:40] <SQL_Sam> memfree: 1708kb
[06:40] <thoreauputic> JoshuaSydney: if you have usb ports, I suggest you get yourself a cheap USB mouse and just plug it in
[06:40] <salvestrini> curious thing fazer is that at the login screen the fan worked properly, and during boot up it also worked properly
[06:40] <Doomhammer> thrlce: Ubuntu is still using XFree86 instead of X.Org
[06:40] <fazer> SQL_Sam: that is like 42 MB of ram.
[06:40] <dr_willis> thr1ce,   the faq is mentionign the xfree version/config - same stuff applies to the x.org file
[06:40] <Doomhammer> SQL_Sam: you should buy more ram before you attempt to run any type of GUI
[06:40] <waseem> thoreauputic: i have an nvidia geforce2 video card, tux racer should work
[06:40] <SQL_Sam> lol - figured
[06:40] <thr1ce> why do I have an x.org, Doomgaze`
[06:41] <farruinn> salvestrini: maybe it's working better than in windows, only coming on when truly needed? (maybe?)
[06:41] <thr1ce> Doomhammer, *
[06:41] <fazer> SQL_Sam: So, I suggest you get xfce4 and change the depth of your resolution.
[06:41] <Doomhammer> thrlce: *? huh?
[06:41] <SQL_Sam> how much is ram going for now a days? anyone know?
[06:41] <JoshuaSydney> thoreauputic: if im using usb, which mouse selection should i choose?
[06:41] <IIIEars> I need to read an error message that is quickly flashed on the screen. Where is it recorded for xmms?
[06:41] <Sophistication> ryman, if I may pm you I will setup my gmail via ev & we can do it togather rather quickly if you'd like?
[06:41] <thoreauputic> waseem: have you read and applied  http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:41] <Doomhammer> SQL_Sam: it varies widely depending on what type and speed you need... you should be able to get a stick for under $80 though
[06:41] <fazer> SQL_Sam: Well, now, old RAM is slightly more expensive.
[06:41] <thr1ce> I have an /etc/X11/x.org file
[06:41] <thr1ce> am I not using it ?
[06:41] <Doomhammer> SQL_Sam: have a look at www.newegg.com
[06:41] <thoreauputic> JoshuaSydney: my usb mouse "just works" when plugged in
[06:41] <salvestrini> i dont know farruinn all i know is it's not coming on since an hour and it's starting to feel pretty warm to the touch under the laptop
[06:41] <dr_willis> thr1ce,  if useing the x.org version of x yes you are.
[06:41] <fazer> Doomhammer: or is pricewatcher.com still available?
[06:42] <fazer> SQL_Sam: Are you in North America?
[06:42] <SQL_Sam> I'm in Arizona
[06:42] <farruinn> salvestrini: :?
[06:42] <JoshuaSydney> oo
[06:42] <farruinn> :/*
[06:42] <JoshuaSydney> okok
[06:42] <thr1ce> i just installed basic Hoary
[06:42] <JoshuaSydney> thanks theoreauputic
[06:42] <Doomhammer> fazer: not sure, but I *LOVE* Newegg... got my whole server from them for $337 8)
[06:42] <IIIEars> thoreaputic - isn't that great! - so does my  external usb dive
[06:42] <fazer> Doomhammer: oh, hehe, awesome.
[06:42] <Doomhammer> fazer: Duron 1.6GHZ 1GB DDR400 RAM boxen :)
[06:42] <fazer> SQL_Sam: then give newegg.com a try
[06:42] <salvestrini> farruinn i mean the fan has not come on for an hour
[06:42] <fazer> Doomhammer: damn, that's a pretty good deal.
[06:42] <SQL_Sam> I have a nearby fry's electronics (sucks)
[06:42] <thoreauputic> JoshuaSydney: it even works with 2 mice at once (the other ps2)
[06:42] <fazer> SQL_Sam: wait, are you on a laptop?
[06:43] <SQL_Sam> nope
[06:43] <Doomhammer> fazer: it really is -- I was surprised... of course, I did take the screen, cdrom drive, tape drive, and hard drive from the old sever... :P
[06:43] <SQL_Sam> home built machine
[06:43] <fazer> SQL_Sam: okay, now, try moving around the windows, do they lag?
[06:43] <salvestrini> and under my laptop it is actually hot to the touch, hotter than normal actually
[06:43] <IIIEars> I need to see an error message flashed at me by xmms where is it recorded?
[06:43] <SQL_Sam> nope
[06:43] <dr_willis> They just opened a Frys Electronics here in Indiana
[06:43] <fazer> Doomhammer: oh, haha, yeah, figures :P
[06:43] <fazer> SQL_Sam: what type of video card do you have?
[06:43] <IIIEars> dr_willis Fry's is a nerd's mecca - lol
[06:43] <farruinn> salvestrini: what does less /proc/cpuinfo
[06:43] <farruinn>  say?
[06:43] <paulproteus> SQL_Sam: Do you know about the SQL Slammer worm?
[06:44] <SQL_Sam> lol - no
[06:44] <paulproteus> And/or, have you considered changing nick to "SQL_Slam"?
[06:44] <IIIEars> dr_willis what is the Fry's theme for your store in indiana?
[06:44] <SQL_Sam> this has been my old user name for a while
[06:44] <ryman> Sophistication|  nvm I got it thanks
[06:44] <SQL_Sam> do a lot of database stuff
[06:44] <dr_willis> IIIEars,  no idea.. i haven been in it yet. :P it opend last week
[06:44] <fazer> SQL_Sam: heh, so I suggest getting openbox or xfce4
[06:44] <SQL_Sam> compusa sell ram?
[06:44] <fazer> SQL_Sam: probably
[06:45] <salvestrini> farruinn heres the full dump:processor       : 0
[06:45] <salvestrini> vendor_id       : GenuineIntel
[06:45] <salvestrini> cpu family      : 6
[06:45] <salvestrini> model           : 9
[06:45] <salvestrini> model name      : Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1500MHz
[06:45] <salvestrini> stepping        : 5
[06:45] <paulproteus> SQL_Sam: http://www.f-secure.com/v-descs/mssqlm.shtml , for example.
[06:45] <fazer> SQL_Sam: you *might* get a better deal online though.
[06:45] <salvestrini> cpu MHz         : 598.544
[06:45] <salvestrini> cache size      : 1024 KB
[06:45] <salvestrini> fdiv_bug        : no
[06:45] <fazer> salvestrini: Noooo
[06:45] <IIIEars> lol i visit a few times a month - my wife hates it. - lol
[06:45] <salvestrini> hlt_bug         : no
[06:45] <salvestrini> f00f_bug        : no
[06:45] <salvestrini> coma_bug        : no
[06:45] <Doomhammer> SQL_Sam: yes, but probobly won't have the type you want... I'll bet they will carry PC2700
[06:45] <salvestrini> fpu             : yes
[06:45] <salvestrini> fpu_exception   : yes
[06:45] <salvestrini> cpuid level     : 2
[06:45] <Deafcon> .say echo
[06:45] <thoreauputic> salvestrini: NEVER do that in channel again, please!
[06:45] <farruinn> heh, just the temp would have been fine
[06:45] <salvestrini> wp              : yes
[06:45] <salvestrini> flags           : fpu vme de pse tsc msr mce cx8 sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 tm pbe est tm2
[06:45] <salvestrini> bogomips        : 1186.20
[06:45] <salvestrini> okay sorry about that
[06:45] <Doomhammer> he's still goin' :O
[06:45] <SQL_Sam> hey another dumb question
[06:45] <thoreauputic> salvestrini: #flood
[06:45] <fazer> stopped =/
[06:45] <paulproteus> salvestrini: This is called "flooding" the channel; see #flood .
[06:45] <GuruFF> hi can anyone help me with setting up path for jre ????
[06:45] <salvestrini> okay wont happen again
[06:46] <farruinn> of course if that's everything in cpuinfo then I guess it doesn't tell you the temp...
[06:46] <paulproteus> GuruFF: SUre, one sec.
[06:46] <salvestrini> tats correct
[06:46] <k-otik> what program will play mwv files on ubuntu?
[06:46] <salvestrini> farruinn
[06:46] <Doomhammer> k-otik: try mplayer
[06:46] <Deafcon> fpu?
[06:46] <SQL_Sam> i installed the basic version - figured i should have done server since i want to use samba, make a home webserver for development.  Can i still use the desktop or should i reinstall the server?
[06:47] <paulproteus> GuruFF: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java15 .
[06:47] <thoreauputic> k-otik: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[06:47] <GuruFF> paulproteus; :) thx
[06:47] <Doomhammer> SQL_Sam: you're running a GUI on a server!? :P
[06:47] <SQL_Sam> well not yet.... ;)
[06:47] <Doomhammer> hehehe
[06:47] <k-otik> 5.04 doesnt have any problem with mplayer and x crashing does it?
[06:47] <fazer> SQL_Sam: Hmm,can't really help you there, but if you are going to be coding on it, then I think you can just go ahead and download your server softwares and config/run them =/
[06:47] <paulproteus> Look at the bottom; read the section "Installing Sun's Java on Hoary".
[06:48] <waseem> thoreauputic: i followed the instructions on the link you sent me, but there were errors in the terminal
[06:48] <waseem> i typed sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[06:48] <Doomhammer> anyone know how I statically set my IP address instead of using DHCP -- I don't have X Windows installed...
[06:48] <SQL_Sam> well i for sure want samba so i can have a file share
[06:48] <waseem> and the error i got was:
[06:48] <farruinn> salvestrini: sorry, I primarily use macs, so I don't really know what's going with your fan :/
[06:48] <salvestrini> waseem try consulting www.ubuntuguide.org
[06:48] <waseem> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/nvidia-glx_1.0.7174-0ubuntu1_i386.deb (--unpack):
[06:48] <waseem>  subprocess pre-installation script returned error exit status 2
[06:48] <waseem> Errors were encountered while processing:
[06:48] <waseem>  /var/cache/apt/archives/nvidia-glx_1.0.7174-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
[06:48] <waseem> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[06:48] <salvestrini> ty farruinn
[06:48] <waseem> waseem@waseem:~$ sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[06:48] <waseem> sudo: nvidia-glx-config: command not found
[06:48] <SQL_Sam> i got two boxes at home - one xp and now this one
[06:48] <fazer> waseem: no copy pating here.
[06:48] <fazer> *pasting
[06:49] <waseem> oh sorry
[06:49] <jannifer> has anyone configured faxing? I'm setting it up for my mother so it needs to be point ant click and it has to receive faxes while the user is logged off
[06:49] <paulproteus> Doomhammer: man interfaces
[06:49] <fazer> =/
[06:49] <paulproteus> Doomhammer: You want to configure the file in /etc/network/interfaces .
[06:49] <Doomhammer> paulproteus: ok
[06:49] <IIIEars> you should never copy pate in public
[06:50] <paulproteus> IIIEars: Well, if it's one line, it's fine.
[06:50] <waseem> salvestrini: i went to ubuntuguide.org and i followed the instructions but i got the same errors
[06:50] <paulproteus> If it's two, it's probably okay.  No one minds copy-pasted errors; most people mind channel flooding.  There's a difference, see. :)
[06:50] <IIIEars> j/k it sounded like "Copulate"
[06:50] <salvestrini> waseem i dont knowthen it worked for me
[06:51] <paulproteus> IIIEars: Oh.  Well, I disagree there, too. :)
[06:51] <salvestrini> well there goes an acpi reinstall :)
[06:51] <IIIEars> :-P
[06:51] <thoreauputic> paulproteus: there goes the neighbourhood .... *grin*
[06:51] <SQL_Sam> i want to try learning perl and python - is it installed on the basic install?
[06:51] <HrdwrBoB> yes
[06:52] <salvestrini> o well i'll try rebooting and see what happens
[06:52] <salvestrini> brb
[06:52] <SQL_Sam> cool - maybe i should learn the bash first though....
[06:52] <JinxColor> I want to change from intel onboard gfx to an nvidia pci card
[06:52] <JinxColor> what configuration modification does this require
[06:52] <thoreauputic> SQL_Sam: you can do a lot with bash
[06:53] <SQL_Sam> i've heard - just dont know where to start....
[06:53] <Doomhammer> thoreauputic I thought you said "you can do a lot with hash" LOL
[06:53] <GuruFF> is anyone here running matlab by some chance ?
[06:53] <GuruFF> :>
[06:53] <paulproteus> SQL_Sam: I suggest http://www.freenetpages.co.uk/hp/alan.gauld/
[06:53] <IIIEars> Jinxcolor - "" got an old Geforce 5200 lying around
[06:53] <Doomhammer> matlab? isn't that an archaic piece of software?
[06:53] <thoreauputic> Doomhammer: probably also true ;)
[06:53] <Doomhammer> hehehe
[06:53] <paulproteus> I would learn Python before Perl or bash because it's a (1) easier language than Perl and (2) more friendly with you if you mess up than bash.
[06:53] <JinxColor> IIIEars : yeah gfx 4mx pci
[06:54] <paulproteus> Then learn bash.
[06:54] <JinxColor> IIIEars : geforce4mx pci
[06:54] <paulproteus> Then make fun of poeple use use Perl.
[06:54] <thoreauputic> SQL_Sam: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Bash-Prog-Intro-HOWTO.html
[06:54] <SQL_Sam> are there any online books for python?
[06:54] <Doomhammer> how do I restart the network without restarting the whole box?
[06:54] <dedinje> can someone help with a question please?
[06:54] <farruinn> bash scripting and python have different purposes, don't they?
[06:54] <GuruFF> paulproteus; thx for jre, seams i have it running ok :>
[06:54] <Doomhammer> dedinje: sure, I'll try :)
[06:54] <farruinn> Doomhammer: maybe run dhclient
[06:54] <paulproteus> SQL_Sam: I suggest http://www.freenetpages.co.uk/hp/alan.gauld/
[06:55] <yuriko> yuchan
[06:55] <dedinje> I just installed ubuntu on my HD...and during installation I was only asked to setup a user and a password...but not a root password
[06:55] <myneeds> need help with networking. apt-get won't update. I can connect to a few sites like ubuntu.com and google.com but most nothing else.
[06:55] <thoreauputic> SQL_Sam: http://www.python.org/moin/BeginnersGuide
[06:55] <yuriko> usan1919
[06:55] <dedinje> how do I do that?
[06:55] <Doomhammer> how do I add SSH to the default runlevel?
[06:55] <fazer> SQL_Sam: google for Dive Into Python
[06:55] <paulproteus> SQL_Sam: There's also http://www.ibiblio.org/obp/thinkCSpy
[06:55] <farruinn> dedinje: www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[06:55] <HrdwrBoB> Doomhammer: just apt-get install ssh
[06:55] <fazer> SQL_Sam: its a free book.
[06:55] <paulproteus> fazer: Dive Into Python is very XML, HTML-processing oriented.
[06:55] <HrdwrBoB> Doomhammer: it will all be there automagically
[06:55] <Doomhammer> HrdwrBoB: ok, sweet :)
[06:55] <dedinje> thank you
[06:55] <SQL_Sam> sweet
[06:55] <fazer> paulproteus: which is good for a web developer like him ;)
[06:56] <thoreauputic> Doomhammer: it's added at boot automatically - just sudo apt-get install ssh
[06:56] <fazer> SQL_Sam: are you a web developer or anything like that? (dealing with XML/HTML)
[06:56] <thoreauputic> oops - I should read more carefully..
[06:56] <revelater> anyone here have neverwinter nights running?
[06:56] <SQL_Sam> i just wish there were more jobs available for linux - I hate MS shops
[06:56] <fazer> thoreauputic: its all cool.
[06:56] <SQL_Sam> i have
[06:56] <Doomhammer> thoreauputic: damn, I left the install CD in... brb...
[06:56] <SQL_Sam> I work with MS SQL Server a lot
[06:56] <revelater> could you tell me how to get sound working properly?
[06:57] <Deafcon> http://us.releases.ubuntu.com/releases/5.04/ (LiveCD) recommended
[06:57] <SQL_Sam> XML is a bitch to parse in script....
[06:57] <revelater> ??
[06:57] <HrdwrBoB> SQL_Sam: ...
[06:57] <thoreauputic> revelater: I think you need to be a bit more specific about sound - like what card?
[06:58] <revelater> thoreauputic: sound is working, just not with the game i have...
[06:58] <paulproteus> HrdwrBoB: XMLParser.py is bundled with Python.
[06:58] <HrdwrBoB> paulproteus: I know this :)
[06:58] <SQL_Sam> hey about games - what is available for linux?
[06:58] <HrdwrBoB> not to mention XML is *easy* to aprse
[06:58] <paulproteus> And in Python, I use BeautifulSoup to parse HTML very easily.
[06:58] <HrdwrBoB> parse
[06:58] <paulproteus> I meant SQL_Sam, sorry HrdwrBoB :).
[06:58] <HrdwrBoB> it's the entire reason for its existance
[06:58] <HrdwrBoB> that's ok :)
[06:59] <paulproteus> Well-formed XML is easy, it's true.  Malformed XML parses fine with BeautifulSoup.
[06:59] <revelater> thoreauputic: do you have neverwinter nights?
[06:59] <HrdwrBoB> SQL_Sam: doom3, quake3, enemy territory ut2k4
[06:59] <thoreauputic> revelater: no, sorry
[06:59] <HrdwrBoB> SQL_Sam: many more work with wine and/or cedega
[06:59] <SQL_Sam> i've heard of wine
[06:59] <Doomhammer> I've had a really hard time getting ut2k4 running in Linux...
[06:59] <Doomhammer> I did it once, but never since :(
[06:59] <farruinn> revelater: try running killall esd before opening neverwinter nights
[06:59] <HrdwrBoB> I play battlefield 1942 and World of Warcraft and warcraft 3 with cedega
[06:59] <SQL_Sam> do you have to buy a linux version of the game?
[07:00] <dedinje> is it possible to install xfce on ubuntu...and if it is...what files do I need?
[07:00] <Doomhammer> SQL_Sam: no, the retail widnows install cds for ut2k4 have a linux installer included :)
[07:00] <SQL_Sam> sweet
[07:00] <Doomhammer> HrdwrBoB: is Cedega free? the only thing I've tried is WINEX, and that sucked... :P
[07:00] <thoreauputic> dedinje: sudo apt-get install xfce4
[07:00] <HrdwrBoB> Doomhammer: cedega is winex
[07:00] <HrdwrBoB> it's not free
[07:00] <SQL_Sam> i gotta try installing it (when i have more ram)
[07:00] <HrdwrBoB> but I've had very good results
[07:01] <Doomhammer> HrdwrBoB: hrm... do you notice any performance loss on Linux vs Windows?
[07:01] <jc> how do i login as a root ... everytime that i try to login say wrong password ... i only set up one passwrd to one login the default login ... are there any default password for root?
[07:01] <HrdwrBoB> Doomhammer: obviously there is some
[07:01] <HrdwrBoB> but I don't notice
[07:01] <SQL_Sam> sudo
[07:01] <HrdwrBoB> as I don't have or run windows
[07:01] <SQL_Sam> i know that one....
[07:01] <farruinn> jc: read www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[07:01] <Doomhammer> lets see if I can install UT2k4... 8)
[07:01] <jc> thanks
[07:02] <SQL_Sam> i know I gotta rebuild this box now - do i even have a video card...
[07:02] <Doomhammer> ok, here's a question: I pop in the CD, it automatically mounts it, I try to "sudo ./linux-installer.sh", and it says Permission Denied... what about that?
[07:03] <thr1ce> ugh, no luck with this fglrx
[07:03] <thr1ce> do I need the -dev pack ?
[07:03] <b2s> thr1ce: I did for some reason
[07:03] <farruinn> Doomhammer: you need root privileges to touch the filesystem?
[07:03] <thoreauputic> Doomhammer: do you have exec permissions on your cd drive in /etc/fstab?
[07:03] <benz> whats the best site for Konqueror extensions?
[07:03] <thr1ce> b2s, did you run through fglrxconfig ?
[07:03] <farruinn> oooh, or that
[07:03] <Doomhammer> it's a CDROM, so I can't touch it ... it's read only
[07:03] <b2s> thr1ce: not really.  I ran it but I didn't use the config
[07:03] <farruinn> not write, exec
[07:04] <b2s> I just grabbed a few small sections of output
[07:04] <thoreauputic> Doomhammer: that's not what I meant, but nm
[07:04] <thr1ce> b2s, just installed both fglrx and fglrx-dev for xorg, and it worked ?
[07:04] <thoreauputic> Doomhammer: are you in the right directory?
[07:04] <duken> hei
[07:04] <b2s> thr1ce: no it was a pain :)
[07:04] <Doomhammer> thoreauputic: I'm in /media/cdrom0, where the cdrom is mounted...
[07:04] <thr1ce> b2s, what else did you do ?
[07:04] <thr1ce> andrew@brouwers:~$ glxgears
[07:04] <thr1ce> Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
[07:04] <thr1ce> X connection to :0.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown).
[07:05] <farruinn> Doomhammer: did you run it with sudo?
[07:05] <thr1ce> sigh
[07:05] <duken> what's plugin must be install to playing file .dat on xine or totem player ?
[07:05] <thoreauputic> Doomhammer: the script isn't in a subdir on the CD ?
[07:05] <b2s> thr1ce: yes, you need the -dev package first
[07:05] <thr1ce> b2s, got that
[07:05] <Doomhammer> ah, there we go... I did run it with sudo, but I did "./linux-installer.sh" instead of "sh ./linux-installer.sh" :S
[07:05] <b2s> thr1ce: sorry, I didn't read your line correctly.  so then you need to edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[07:06] <dedinje> thank you for your help
[07:06] <dedinje> see ya
[07:06] <revelater> whoever told me to killall esd: it worked, but only for a while
[07:06] <thr1ce> b2s, alright; edit what exactly ?
[07:06] <SQL_Sam> I love this - looking on the job boards.  I love these people that want everything under the sun (.net everlanguage available - 5+ years database admin, web development etc, etc etc) 25000.00/year!
[07:06] <farruinn> revelater: only for a while?
[07:06] <b2s> most important: Driver "fglrx"
[07:06] <farruinn> revelater: was esd started again someone?
[07:06] <farruinn> somehow*
[07:06] <Doomhammer> the installer tells me to take out CD 1 and put in CD 2, but I can't because "it is busy"... what do I do? :O
[07:06] <b2s> for my setup, I also needed Option          "UseInternalAGPGART"    "no"
[07:06] <SQL_Sam> grumble, grumble......
[07:06] <revelater> farruim: not sure if it was started agai...
[07:06] <thr1ce> b2s, change it TO fglrx, or change it to ATI ?
[07:06] <b2s> though I'm told it depends on the mobo
[07:07] <b2s> thr1ce: change it to fglrx
[07:07] <thr1ce> b2s, ok, done
[07:07] <thoreauputic> Doomhammer: back out of the directory and eject the CD I guess
[07:07] <myneeds> any network help here?
[07:07] <Doomhammer> thoreauputic: ok... I'm thinking it's because the installer is running tho... :(
[07:07] <thoreauputic> Doomhammer: if you are in the dir, it *is* busy
[07:07] <fazer> mhmmm
[07:07] <b2s> thr1ce: I *think* those are the only really required changes, though I putted around for a long time before I switched the AGPGART line
[07:07] <revelater> farruim: no, it wasn't started again, but the sound is still glitching
[07:08] <farruinn> revelater: 'pgreg esd', if it gives you a number it's running
[07:08] <thr1ce> b2s, ok; then what, reboot ?
[07:08] <revelater> farruim: pgreg not found
[07:08] <farruinn> revelater: pgrep, sorry
[07:08] <b2s> thr1ce: well, yes, or do a logout and then ctl-alt-backspace to kill X if you think it will be restarted.
[07:09] <thr1ce> hm...ok
[07:09] <thr1ce> brb
[07:09] <revelater> farruim: no number
[07:09] <farruinn> I don't know then, I've never used neverwinter nights
[07:09] <revelater> farruim: what is esd anyways?
[07:10] <thoreauputic> enlightened sound daemon
[07:10] <revelater> farruim: and do you know how to install ut2k4?
[07:10] <waseem> Hi im having a problem with my nvidia video driver. Im at the ubuntuguide.org website and one of the commands is sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings
[07:10] <waseem> i keep on getting an error after pasting that command into the terminal
[07:10] <farruinn> sound daemon, controls the sound device, but everwinter nights doesn't know how to use it (apparently, there may be some setting)
[07:10] <mattcamp> Does anyone actually like esd?
[07:10] <Doomhammer> thoreauputic: it works if I don't run the isntaller in the console
[07:10] <farruinn> revelater: never had ut
[07:10] <benz> im using MS Virtual PC 2004 and Ubuntu is working great
[07:11] <mainer> waseem:try sudo su
[07:11] <thoreauputic> mattcamp: I doubt it :)
[07:11] <revelater> does anyone here know how to get ut2k4 installed from a dvd?
[07:11] <farruinn> mattcamp: that's why they're switching to polypaudio
[07:11] <revelater> it keeps asking me to put cd 1 in
[07:11] <waseem> mainer: same problem
[07:11] <Doomhammer> revelater: hrm... no idea, I'm still using CDs :P
[07:11] <mattcamp> Hmm, never heard of polypaudio
[07:12] <farruinn> another sound daemon
[07:12] <waseem> dpkg-divert: `diversion of /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 to /usr/lib/nvidia/libGL.so.1.xlibmesa by nvidia-glx' clashes with `diversion of /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 to /usr/lib/fglrx/libGL.so.1.xlibmesa by xorg-driver-fglrx'
[07:12] <thoreauputic> artsd sucks as well...
[07:12] <waseem> thats the error im getting
[07:12] <waseem> does anyone know what i can do to make it work?
[07:12] <revelater> anybody here play ut2k5??
[07:12] <revelater> i mean 4
[07:12] <Doomhammer> revelater: I DO! I DO! :)
[07:13] <revelater> ut2k4, and installed with a dvd?
[07:13] <b2s> waseem: why do you have fglrx and nvidia-glx both installed?
[07:13] <Doomhammer> revelater: ut2k4, installed with a CD :(
[07:13] <waseem> b2s: i dont remember installing either of them
[07:13] <revelater> Doomhammer: yes you told me this already... :P
[07:13] <Doomhammer> revelater: heh, I now :P
[07:13] <waseem> b2s: i think ubuntu automatically installed it for me
[07:14] <Doomhammer> know*
[07:14] <mattcamp> farruinn:  Cool.  I just looked it up on Google and am going to check it out.  I wrote my own sound daemon, USound (http://mattcampbell.us/usound/) about a year ago, but haven't done any work on it since then.
[07:15] <revelater> is there a channel for linux games?
[07:15] <waseem> b2s: how can i uninstall fglrx? would it screw up my computer if i did?
[07:15] <dedinje> another one...how do I access my windows partition ?
[07:15] <dedinje> how do I browse to it
[07:16] <fazer> wth is /dev/dsp
[07:16] <revelater> is there a channel for linux games?
[07:16] <Scuddie> Uh oh...
[07:16] <fazer> Sound recorder keeps on giving me an error regarding that.
[07:16] <Doomhammer> revelater: I've had good success with www.linuxquestions.org
[07:16] <revelater> forums are too slow
[07:16] <Scuddie> Well, I screwed up my menubar.
[07:17] <Doomhammer> Scuddie: oh god, what did you do?
[07:17] <Doomhammer> hehe
[07:17] <revelater> i need someone who has installed ut2k4 with a dvd...
[07:17] <Scuddie> I screwed it up.
[07:17] <jc> can somone help me how do i edit xorg.conf ... if i dont know how to have root privelages
[07:17] <HrdwrBoB> revelater: I have
[07:17] <Doomhammer> Scuddie: removed it? removed everything on it? what? are you asking for help with it?
[07:17] <waseem> i seem to have nvidia and fglrx both installed on my computer, what can i do to uninstall fglrx? would it screw up my computer?
[07:17] <revelater> HrdwrBoB: tell me how you got it working?
[07:17] <farruinn> Scuddie: you can delete the applicable things in .gconf
[07:17] <Scuddie> It's not what's there, it's what's not there.
[07:18] <HrdwrBoB> revelater: I just installed it
[07:18] <revelater> HrdwrBoB: well it just started asking me for disk 1 and such
[07:18] <Scuddie> I have Applications/Places/System menu, but everything else is gone.
[07:18] <fazer> Is there a good VLC client?
[07:18] <Scuddie> And it's just sitting in the menu bar
[07:19] <Scuddie> in the middle I mean
[07:19] <k-otik> does anyoen know where you put mplayer codecs?
[07:19] <Doomhammer> Scuddie: right click on the bar... ;)
[07:19] <Scuddie> And the bar got really big
[07:19] <IIIEars> does anyone know of a good automatic imaging program or script for linux usind "dd"?
[07:19] <subterrific> fazer: you mean vnc?
[07:19] <farruinn> Scuddie: I think if you delete ~/.gconf/apps/panel you will get a default config when you log in next
[07:19] <revelater> HrdwrBoB: didn't happen to you?
[07:20] <Doomhammer> do you guys think OGG Vobis is better than MP3 format?
[07:20] <thor|away> Doomhammer: yes
[07:20] <Scuddie> aye
[07:20] <revelater> yup
[07:20] <IIIEars> yes - unless you absolutely must have mp3s
[07:20] <subterrific> Doomhammer: yes. if for no other reason, it is free.
[07:20] <Doomhammer> so would it do anything to convert my MP3s --> OGGs?
[07:20] <revelater> nope
[07:20] <fazer> subterrific: ah yeah, damn.
[07:20] <Doomhammer> that's what I figured
[07:20] <thor|away> Doomhammer: not a good idea - you lose quality
[07:21] <fazer> subterrific: i tried vncviewer, but it won't apt-get.
[07:21] <IIIEars> Doom - nah - resampling will likely lose quality
[07:21] <Doomhammer> I'd have to rip them as OGGs originally, wouldn't I :(
[07:21] <subterrific> fazer: terminal client that ships with Ubuntu is good
[07:21] <thor|away> Doomhammer: preferably, yes
[07:21] <Scuddie> I see...
[07:21] <Doomhammer> can Winamp do that? if not, what ripping software do you use?
[07:21] <fazer> subterrific: ... oh.
[07:22] <IIIEars> are there any good scripts for the "dd" command?
[07:22] <thor|away> Doomhammer: sound juicer or grip
[07:22] <subterrific> fazer: Apps->Internet->Terminal Server Client
[07:22] <fazer> subterrific: thanks
[07:22] <fazer> subterrific: yeah, i found it, i am on xfce ;)
[07:22] <subterrific> fazer: np, good luck ;)
[07:22] <thor|away> Doomhammer: sound juicer is installed by default
[07:22] <Scuddie> Is there any good way to re-size the menubar at the top?
[07:22] <subterrific> ya, tsclient is the command
[07:22] <Scuddie> without deleting the conf ;)
[07:23] <farruinn> Scuddie: right-click, properties, size
[07:23] <Scuddie> It should be 24px, right?
[07:23] <farruinn> that's the default
[07:23] <Doomhammer> I like to have ONE bar at the bottom, at 50px, personally
[07:24] <Scuddie> Great.  Now to move the menubar to the left where it belongs...
[07:24] <thr1ce> when I logout, it goes back to a prompt; how can I make it go back to a nice gui ?
[07:24] <Doomhammer> left!? you're crazy hehehe :)
[07:24] <Doomhammer> thrlce: have you tried "startx"?
[07:24] <thr1ce> Doomhammer, yes, that starts gnome
[07:24] <thr1ce> not gdm
[07:25] <farruinn> um.... so do you want to use gdm?
[07:25] <Doomhammer> thrlce: hrm... have you tried running "gdm" as root?
[07:25] <zenrox> thr1ce,  sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start
[07:25] <b2s> thr1ce: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[07:25] <Doomhammer> ah ... heh, these guys know better than I do :P
[07:25] <waseem> can anyone help me with my nvidia video card problem?
[07:25] <Scuddie> I mean the app/places/sys menu.  The menubar goes on the left of the panel.
[07:25] <Doomhammer> waseem: no, sorry, all my boxen run ATI cards ;(
[07:25] <waseem> im trying to install it on my computer but it seems that fglrx is alreayd installed, what can i do to fix this?
[07:25] <b2s> waseem: sorry, I was afk.  to be clear, you do NOT have an ATI video card, just an nvidia one right?
[07:26] <waseem> ya
[07:26] <waseem> b2s: only an nvidia
[07:26] <farruinn> Scuddie: middle click on it and drag
[07:27] <Scuddie> Oh, sweet.  Thanks. :)
[07:27] <Doomhammer> glad ya figured it out, Scuddie :)
[07:27] <Doomhammer> damn I'm up late doing this...
[07:27] <b2s> waseem: then you should remove the ati drivers.  drivers might be different, but normally I'd say try "sudo apt-get remove fglrx"
[07:27] <Doomhammer> I was up till 2AM last night, and it's 11:30 PM now :P
[07:27] <IIIEars> << right clicking and middle clicking on everything and laughing gleefully.
[07:27] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: so far so good, but it's only bben a few horus :)
[07:28] <waseem> b2s: E: Couldn't find package fglrx
[07:28] <GuruFF> need help with MATLAB - anyone ????
[07:28] <St0n3-C0l> How to remove Galeon History ?
[07:28] <dr_willis> Hmm.. Just noticed that dma is off by default for my dvd drive..  there some service/config to manually be sure its on..
[07:29] <thor|away> dr_willis: hdparm
[07:29] <Doomhammer> thor, you're supposed to be away! :)
[07:29] <dr_willis> thor|away,  thats the command to enable it i know. :P but ive seen some disrtos with config files that make sure it turns on at every boot.
[07:29] <thor|away> Doomhammer: heheh
[07:29] <Scuddie> Well, it looks like I'm on a roll here.  Now to figure out why /dev/dsp is ALWAYS busy.
[07:29] <dr_willis> aha hdparm.conf :P there it is!
[07:29] <b2s> waseem: sorry, its xorg-driver-fglrx
[07:30] <Doomhammer> Scuddie: isn't /dev/dsp your sound card device? :O
[07:30] <IIIEars> Ubuntu is in everyway better than Redmond's 9X - "Breezy" should kick XP's butt.
[07:30] <Scuddie> Yes it is.
[07:30] <waseem> b2s: there isnt an fglrx package, so why is my computer detecting one?
[07:30] <Scuddie> Gnome plays sounds fine, but no other apps do.
[07:30] <i3dmaster> dr_willis: /etc/hdparm.conf
[07:30] <Doomhammer> ok, lets see if UT2k4 starts up... 8)
[07:30] <waseem> b2s: ok
[07:30] <Reblended> anyone here use a laptop? and anyone have problems with "panel fitting" or AKA "digital scaling"? I just saw there was a fix for the sony vaio with a hotkey for xp, but I wonder if I can use this fix with Ubuntu somehow? (could this question be related to making the special keys for laptops work with ubuntu?)
[07:31] <Reblended> supplied link: http://support.intel.com/support/graphics/intel815/sb/CS-004249.htm
[07:31] <Scuddie> Reblended:  Did you set your smoothing to monocolor?
[07:31] <Doomhammer> ok, I have the same problem... /dev/dsp is always busy, and UT2k4 says "Couldn't find matching GLX visual" :(
[07:31] <farruinn> Scuddie: make sure those other apps are configured to use esd
[07:32] <MistaED> where is the ut2k4 cd key stored?
[07:32] <Scuddie> esd=?
[07:32] <MistaED> i typoed mine
[07:32] <Scuddie> I can't use OSS?
[07:32] <Reblended> Scuddie, not yet, I'm just seeing if there is a fix or if I have to worry about it.. I'm hoping to get xserver to run soon
[07:32] <Reblended> Scuddie, pci setting for my card, an intel 82815, is what I need, I think?
[07:32] <duken> hot to make xine support for playing DAT files
[07:33] <duken> how to make xine support for playing DAT files
[07:33] <Scuddie> Oh...  Well, I don't know anything about intel video chipsets.
[07:34] <Reblended> well, they're peanuts,
[07:34] <Reblended> I found out too late
[07:34] <Conor> i installed xine-lib and when i try to configure xine-ui it says xine-lib isnt installed, i'm stumped ><
[07:34] <Scuddie> But once you install, you'll need to disable smoothing or set smoothing to monocolor if you want to read anything.
[07:35] <Reblended> Scuddie, thx for the tip.. and would that be a setting found under desktop...?
[07:35] <Scuddie> system->preferences->fonts
[07:35] <Reblended> Scuddie, when running the live cd on an HP laptop it looked pretty good
[07:36] <Reblended> the only thing that I didn't get working was the special keys on the laptop... like volume, etc
[07:36] <Scuddie> You weren't looking at white text over black.
[07:36] <Reblended> ahh
[07:36] <Scuddie> And that messes up smoothed text like nobody's business.
[07:36] <Reblended> ok
[07:37] <Reblended> how strange
[07:37] <Scuddie> I know.  I wouldn't have guessed either.
[07:37] <waseem> b2s: thanks for the help, nvidia is installed now
[07:37] <Scuddie> It was only by accident that I figured it out.
[07:37] <Reblended> happens, nice huh?
[07:38] <Reblended> Scuddie, so, what kind of laptop? or is this just a desktop with lcd?
[07:39] <Scuddie> No, it's CRT
[07:39] <Scuddie> But it gets worse with LCDs
[07:39] <Conor> what's +e?
[07:39] <Reblended> so, a feature isn't
[07:41] <Scuddie> The feature is designed to ease upon the eyes, and smooth text at high point sizes.  But it messes things up at low point sizes, especially if the text is brighter than the background.
[07:41] <Reblended> so it uses osa or anti-aliasing then
[07:41] <Scuddie> I would say it's best for office employees to prevent eye fatigue.
[07:41] <Reblended> I'd guess
[07:41] <Reblended> retina burn
[07:42] <Scuddie> lol, no retina burn :D
[07:42] <Scuddie> It's just that most office environments run at 800x600 or some absurd number like that.
[07:43] <Scuddie> And almost always have a black over white color scheme.
[07:44] <Dreamer3_> Scuddie: what is?
[07:44] <Reblended> it's funny, I had to show a lady at my bank how to adjust her crt alignment and sizing controls...
[07:44] <Reblended> and she was running at too low a rez too
[07:44] <dr_willis> my wife  has to set her icons and fonts to be REAL huge.. :P
[07:44] <Dreamer3_> Reblended: no one knows how to do that :)
[07:44] <dr_willis> 800x600 with 1 inch high letters.
[07:44] <Reblended> she had a border around her screen that measured about one inch!
[07:44] <waseem> I installed the nvidia driver correctly and im trying to play descent three, the movies work but it wont go to the menus. It exits the game and displays the following error message in the terminal: Failed to load library[libGL.so] . Descent 3 Message(Error: Failed to load library [libGL.so] . ) System Error.
[07:44] <Dreamer3_> Reblended: i do that for every customer i have
[07:45] <Reblended> Im like. would you like to use this empty space?
[07:45] <IIIEars> someone asked whether they could play UT2K4 on linux - the DVD version (maybe CDs too?) includes a linux installer.
[07:45] <Dreamer3_> Reblended: i just do it and don't ask
[07:45] <waseem> does anyone know what the problem might be?
[07:45] <Reblended> lol dr_willis
[07:45] <dr_willis> waseem,  do any other 3d games work?
[07:45] <waseem> tuxracer works
[07:45] <Scuddie> so, what's this ESD I need to setup my audio apps to work with?
[07:45] <Reblended> waseem, just curious, are you using wine?
[07:46] <IIIEars> Quake3 is ported to linux no?
[07:46] <dr_willis> IIIEars,  yes it is
[07:46] <Scuddie> And why doesn't OSS work?
[07:46] <IIIEars> americas army has a port to linux i believe
[07:46] <freex> elow rum
[07:46] <Reblended> waseem,  is this a linux version?
[07:46] <freex> how can i change my UID?
[07:47] <dr_willis> IIIEars,  there is - not sure when the last update on AA was however.
[07:48] <asubedi> Scuddie: ESD is the enlightenment sound daemon and you should not setup the aduio
[07:48] <Dreamer3_> i thoguht hoary was gonna do away with esd :)
[07:49] <freex> how can i change my UID?
[07:49] <IIIEars> ***Dreamer3 - I need a script for the "dd" command do you know of any?
[07:49] <asubedi> Scuddie: if sound is not working for you, it may be some bug. So file it in bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[07:49] <IIIEars> i would like to back everything up
[07:49] <freex> anyone?
[07:49] <waseem> reblended: yes its a linux version
[07:49] <dr_willis> IIIEars,  you may want to check out some other backup tools - instead of dd.
[07:49] <Reblended> how do I change my root user id?
[07:49] <waseem> reblended: no i do not use Wine
[07:50] <IIIEars> partimage? -
[07:50] <freex> how can i change my UID?
[07:50] <Reblended> freex...
[07:51] <Reblended> freex http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1874.html < does this help?
[07:51] <Reblended> freex I'm still looking
[07:51] <Dreamer3_> IIIEars: what are youw anting to backup exactly?
[07:51] <thoreauputic> Reblended: root's uid is always 0 - I don't understand what you want to do
[07:52] <waseem> since the descent3 i have is a linux version and nvidia is correctly installed, is there any reason why it isnt working?
[07:52] <Reblended> well, freex has asked how to change a UID...
[07:52] <Scuddie> Hey guys, what's the best de-interlacing mode?
[07:53] <dr_willis> waseem,  seems like its want ing some gl library
[07:53] <robstockley> ubuntu hangs on boot at 'Configuring Network Connections' until times out with a 'temporary name resolution failure' then all is well. Primary network interface is wireless, only loopack is auto. Is there something I can put in /etc/resolve.conf to fix this?
[07:53] <waseem> hmm ya im looking on google
[07:54] <Reblended> thoreauputic, I actually have a more important question concerning what pic? code I should use for my graphics card
[07:54] <Reblended> thoreauputic, I can't get xserver to run
[07:54] <dr_willis> waseem,   i think nvidia has its own GL libs it uses - not sure - been ages.. where did ya get the descent3 from anyway?
[07:54] <ert> hello
[07:54] <thoreauputic> Reblended: you've tried sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ?
[07:55] <Reblended> thoreauputic, yes. and it asks me for some kind of pci:0:2:0 code... I tried the default and then I tried it blank... could this be the problem?
[07:55] <GuruFF> lo :) is there a way to change theme for X, not for gnome not for gtk gtk2 but for X plain X ????
[07:55] <thoreauputic> Reblended: I don't know, to be frank
[07:56] <revelater> is tehre some kind of an equivalent to this in ubuntu? :export SETUP_CDROM=/path/to/your/mounted/cdrom
[07:56] <Reblended> thoreauputic, thx for being frank =] 
[07:56] <revelater> *there
[07:56] <dr_willis> revelater,  thats just a bash variable set
[07:56] <Reblended> set an alias?
[07:56] <dr_willis> its a variable :P not an alias
[07:56] <Reblended> ok
[07:56] <dr_willis> export FOO=100
[07:56] <revelater> dr_willis: it gives me command not found
[07:56] <shinzui> hi
[07:57] <dr_willis> revelater,  the : is not part of the command. :P
[07:57] <dr_willis> revelater,  installing UT2004?
[07:57] <revelater> dr_willis: yes
[07:57] <Reblended> who me? shinzui =] 
[07:57] <shinzui> can anyone help me with an annoying installer bug
[07:57] <thoreauputic> GuruFF: X is just a protocol -m you can't theme X: you can only theme X clients (window managers etc)
[07:57] <ert> hi to all
[07:57] <dr_willis> revelater,  COPY the installer binary from the cd to your home dir.. then run it after expoorting that variable. (otherwise you cant eject the cd to put in the next one)
[07:58] <andrew_> anyone recommend NOT going to breezy ?
[07:58] <Reblended> thoreauputic,  well can you change the startup splash?
[07:58] <RexM> what's the word.. when you don't think there's evidence of god, but you don't believe he doesn't exist either?  it starts w/ an A...
[07:58] <revelater> dr_willis: its a dvd, it has all the cds on it already
[07:58] <dr_willis> revelater,  cool
[07:58] <Reblended> RexM,  an egg-nogstic
[07:58] <Burgundavia> andrew_, I do
[07:58] <thoreauputic> Reblended: the Gnome startup? Yes
[07:58] <andrew_> Burgundavia, why ?
[07:58] <Reblended> tx
[07:58] <revelater> dr_willis: not cool enough....
[07:58] <RexM> Reblended: that sounds right, but is it spelled w/ egg- ?
[07:58] <revelater> dr_willis: doesn't work
[07:58] <Burgundavia> andrew_, not very stable yet. The sync from debian sid is not yet complete
[07:58] <Reblended> RexM,  lol no
[07:59] <andrew_> Burgundavia, oh...hm; any idea when a good tiem would be ?
[07:59] <shinzui> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7213
[07:59] <Reblended> RexM, agnostic = root word, Gnostic = Greek means "to know"
[07:59] <Burgundavia> andrew_, early May
[07:59] <dr_willis> revelater,   care to give a LITTLE more details. :P
[07:59] <andrew_> ok...I can't get this damn ATI drivers to work
[07:59] <thoreauputic> RexM:  heh - agnostic
[07:59] <Reblended> RexM, the "secret knowledge"
[07:59] <Burgundavia> andrew_, there is going to be a lot of work during the UDU conference, whcih ends on April 30
[07:59] <andrew_> so I was hoping the newer drivers would help
[08:00] <RexM> Reblended: thoreauputic thanks ;)
[08:00] <revelater> dr_willis: basically, it asks me to put the play disk into the drive, meaning it can't see itself
[08:00] <ert> hai
[08:00] <ert> malayalikal undo
[08:01] <revelater> dr_willis: so i need to force it to see itself
[08:01] <dr_willis> revelater,  perhaps you set that veriable wrong.. what is your command you are doing to set the export.
[08:01] <revelater> export SETUP_CDROM=/path/to/your/mounted/cdrom
[08:01] <revelater> export SETUP_CDROM=/media/cdrom0
[08:01] <revelater> dr_willis: ssecond one, messed up the first
[08:01] <dr_willis> lol
[08:02] <dr_willis> ok.., i was HOPEING you were not that dense. :P
[08:02] <revelater> dr_willis: yes yes i know, tehre is no such directory
[08:02] <dr_willis> you could manually mount the cdrom to /mnt/cdrom
[08:02] <dr_willis>  thats proberly the default location for it.
[08:02] <dr_willis> other then that - not sure what else to tell ya.
[08:03] <revelater> dr_willis: problem is that the terminal is telling me that export is not a command..
[08:03] <dr_willis> ugh.. you are useing bash?
[08:04] <revelater> dr_willis: i guess so
[08:04] <revelater> didn't say bash: anywhere though
[08:04] <thoreauputic> echo $SHELL
[08:04] <dr_willis> export foo=100
[08:04] <thr1ce> to switch to an 686 kernel...
[08:04] <dr_willis> echo $foo
[08:04] <thr1ce> must I remove the 386 ?
[08:04] <dr_willis> prints 100  :P
[08:04] <da_bon_bon> thr1ce: no need to
[08:05] <thr1ce> da_bon_bon, just install the 686, and leave the 386 installed ?
[08:05] <revelater> dr_willis: that works
[08:05] <dr_willis> a spare kernel entry in your boot menu can save your backside at times.
[08:05] <da_bon_bon> thr1ce: yes. and during bootup, select the proper kernel in GRUB
[08:05] <mainer> ubuntu makes the grub entru automatically,anyway
[08:05] <thr1ce> ok
[08:06] <thr1ce> what class does an athlon xp classify as ?
[08:06] <revelater> dr_willis: "sigh" should i try to go and get help from the developers?
[08:06] <da_bon_bon> thr1ce: i think u must "cat /proc/cpuinfo"
[08:07] <thoreauputic> thr1ce: try typing uname -m to see your arch
[08:07] <thr1ce> i know it's 686
[08:07] <thr1ce> nevermind
[08:07] <dr_willis> problery need to google
[08:08] <Reblended> Corel, they are responsible for Debian... is this the same Corel that created Corel Draw?
[08:08] <thoreauputic> it would be k7 or something like that ( not sure - i run intel here)
[08:08] <shinzui> does anyone know when's the next daily cd?
[08:09] <viviljan> sorry, I dont
[08:09] <mainer> they were not respnsible for debian,they developed a debian-based distro,like ubuntu is debian-based
[08:09] <salvestrini> hello all
[08:09] <viviljan> hi
[08:09] <Reblended> mainer, tx
[08:09] <salvestrini> i have successfully solved my fan problem with a nifty little app
[08:09] <Reblended> salvestrini, yah?
[08:09] <salvestrini> not surprisingly it's called fan
[08:09] <viviljan> whitch country you all come from?
[08:09] <Reblended> LOL
[08:10] <Reblended> < from the most hated country?
[08:10] <salvestrini> anyways the app turned the fan off
[08:10] <salvestrini> of on
[08:10] <aluusima> hi
[08:10] <holycow> Reblended, texas?
[08:10] <salvestrini> depending on the need
[08:10] <Reblended> salvestrini, great!
[08:10] <holycow> -_-
[08:10] <Reblended> holycow, ROFL
[08:10] <IIIEars> << "Fan" - writes it down - grin
[08:10] <Reblended> salvestrini, and automatically?
[08:10] <holycow> oh you sad that already
[08:10] <holycow> hehe :)
[08:10] <thoreauputic> salvestrini: on the contrary, when a *nix app has a sensible name, it's *very* surprising ;)
[08:10] <Reblended> salvestrini, you are it's biggest fan, eh?
[08:10] <salvestrini> now here's the interesting part, i want to run this app for two minutes every five minutes, how can i do this?
[08:10] <aluusima> hello , I live in finland:)
[08:11] <fazer> Damn
[08:11] <aluusima> where you live??
[08:11] <fazer> My Terminal Server Cient crashed =(
[08:11] <viviljan> i was just interrested.. its the first time i use linux and noticed chat
[08:11] <Reblended> thoreauputic, I was just thinking about the short name for Linux... "a faerie" or "nix"... would be right to say "nux" or 'tux" =p
[08:11] <mainer> salvestrini:anacron
[08:11] <Reblended> viviljan, how cool! what box are you running?
[08:12] <delltony> how do you go about mounting root as read only so you can run fsck on the reiserfs ?  i tried shutdown -Fr now and it doesn't appear to do a scan
[08:12] <delltony> i have even tried touch /forcefsk
[08:12] <viviljan> box?
[08:12] <da_bon_bon> can someone plz explain what technology does ubuntu use that enables me to apt-get off the live cd?
[08:13] <salvestrini> viviljan by box it means what distribution of linux you have installed
[08:13] <holycow> da_bon_bon, well ... apt-get
[08:13] <thoreauputic> da_bon_bon: apt-cdrom is the command
[08:13] <da_bon_bon> holycow: try apt-get on warty live :P
[08:13] <salvestrini> da_bon_bon it's the beauty of debian
[08:13] <Reblended> sry viviljan.. was on another window...
[08:13] <thoreauputic> da_bon_bon: apt-cdrom add to add a CD
[08:13] <IIIEars> apt-get from the "Live" CD? - hm - no cloop or compression trouble?
[08:13] <holycow> da_bon_bon, well its a live cd, you know you can't install on that right?
[08:13] <viviljan> ubuntu hoary 5.04?
[08:14] <mainer> union file system from a university project,made popular by knoppix 3.8 CEBIT edition
[08:14] <holycow> knoppix has some limited capacity for that
[08:14] <Reblended> great! viviljan
[08:14] <da_bon_bon> holycow: u can, on hoary live cd.. or so i was informed. was i wrong ?
[08:14] <thoreauputic> da_bon_bon: the live cd is a read-only file system
[08:14] <Reblended> holycow,  I have =] 
[08:14] <IIIEars> knoppix with union? - interesting
[08:14] <Reblended> thoreauputic, I've installed ndiswrapper, and Blender3D to name a couple
[08:14] <Reblended> on Live CD
[08:14] <holycow> da_bon_bon, maybe, but all you are doing is installing stuff to ram if thats what you are wondering
[08:14] <Reblended> or scratch disk
[08:14] <holycow> live cds mostly load them selves to ram and create a scratch disk
[08:14] <da_bon_bon> thoreauputic: someone informed me that u can apt-get and install stuff on hoary live
[08:14] <thoreauputic> Reblended: ah OK - I stand corected :)
[08:15] <thoreauputic> OK
[08:15] <Reblended> thoreauputic, it's ok =] 
[08:15] <da_bon_bon> holycow: oh, so not persistent, even on hard disk
[08:15] <holycow> when you install its first to ram if there is space then tossed on scratch disk
[08:15] <IIIEars> mainer do you have the link?
[08:15] <holycow> da_bon_bon, correct, hense 'live cd'
[08:15] <thoreauputic> you can on knoppix, I seem to recall - so that makes sense i guess
[08:15] <mainer> i'll check
[08:15] <da_bon_bon> thoreauputic: only on knoppix 3.8.1 which uses unionfs
[08:15] <Reblended> how's the boot to lan work? where's the installation files stored, etc?
[08:16] <da_bon_bon> holycow, thoreauputic: if u read the sounder list archives, u will know
[08:16] <mainer> http://www.fsl.cs.sunysb.edu/project-unionfs.html
[08:16] <IIIEars> AH, Thank You :)
[08:16] <holycow> da_bon_bon, know what?
[08:16] <mainer> welcome
[08:16] <da_bon_bon> holycow: know what i am talking about
[08:17] <holycow> i think its you that has no clue what your talking about
[08:17] <holycow> i already answered your question
[08:17] <holycow> take it or leave it
[08:17] <Reblended> holycow, I actually got the live cd to boot! but then xserver let me down
[08:17] <da_bon_bon> holycow: :P how can i apt-get on a live filesystem ? what if my ram is full ?
[08:17] <salvestrini> okay i've boned the anacron man but still i dont know how to set up an anacron job such as the fan runs for two minutes every five minutes
[08:17] <holycow> da_bon_bon, read what i 'fin' wrote
[08:17] <Reblended> then I did a sudo dpkg reconfig of the xserver and all I get is a gdk? fail
[08:17] <aluusima> sorry...I am just a starting this thing...I live in finland
[08:18] <holycow> the rest is stored in a scratch filed
[08:18] <holycow> why do i haveto type this twice?
[08:18] <holycow> file even
[08:18] <da_bon_bon> holycow: "fin" ?
[08:18] <Reblended> aluusima I wonder why I can't "tab" your name...
[08:18] <mainer> they write it to ram or use an installd swap-partiton or you mount a scratch partiton,many ways
[08:19] <da_bon_bon> holycow: ohok
[08:19] <holycow> :)
[08:19] <mainer> depends on the cd
[08:19] <thoreauputic> Reblended: heh I can't tab his name either - how odd
[08:19] <holycow> da_bon_bon, thats now 3 times that someone has typed that out for ya
[08:19] <Reblended> thoreauputic, whew! not just me =] 
[08:19] <delltony> how do you remount the filesystem to readonly please? mount -n -o remount,ro / says / is busy
[08:19] <holycow> clear yet?
[08:20] <Reblended> thoreauputic, xchat bug?
[08:20] <salvestrini> honestly what i have now is a crude hack, i have fan -n  & running at gnome startup in order 80
[08:20] <thoreauputic> Reblended: dunno - I'll fire up irssi and check :)
[08:20] <Reblended> Wouldn't it be awesome to write the ram to disk just after initial boot to the GUI and just boot to that everytime at start up?
[08:20] <Reblended> thoreauputic, ah? ok
[08:21] <salvestrini> this is done in system / preferences / sessions on ubuntu hoary
[08:21] <mainer> delltony:re-boot the system,you cant change it if it's mounted
[08:21] <mainer> at re-boot,runs fsck auto anyway
[08:21] <delltony> ok reboot but then what?
[08:21] <delltony> well how come it never finds anything?
[08:21] <delltony> and always says not clean?
[08:22] <da_bon_bon> Reblended: there is no user like aluusima
[08:22] <Reblended> da_bon_bon, just a figment of my imagination?
[08:22] <mainer> what's it say,exactly
[08:22] <revelater> can emulators install programs?
[08:22] <Dreamer3_> Reblended: just writing the exact stuff to disk (the startup files) in sequential access on the desk can result in like 50% startup times
[08:22] <salvestrini> yes revelater they can
[08:22] <da_bon_bon> Reblended: ??
[08:22] <Dreamer3_> Reblended: disk*
[08:22] <delltony> well i was getting input/output issues when trying to install kubuntu-desktop
[08:22] <revelater> salvestrini: easily?
[08:22] <Reblended> Dreamer3_, so really, sorta worth it?
[08:22] <delltony> so i figured harddrive filesystem
[08:23] <Dreamer3_> Reblended: *shrugs*
[08:23] <thoreauputic> Reblended: um - I don't think aluusima is here actually
[08:23] <Dreamer3_> Reblended: i don't start that often
[08:23] <Reblended> thoreauputic, how weird!  da_bon_bon
[08:23] <delltony> http://pastebin.com/272656 thats the error i get
[08:23] <Reblended> that user was just here... oh well
[08:23] <salvestrini> revelater: YMMV with that, depends on how you configured the emulator
[08:23] <delltony> as far as what it says at boot thats gonna be tuff to tell you exactly :( anything specific other than it says Filesystem NOT clean
[08:24] <mainer> delltony- i just re-installed today,i run several distros off/on,no windows, and installed kde3.4,had no errors,system fsck's fine at boot,sounds like maybe a bad partiton or you tre-used an old partiton w/o re-formatting,not sure
[08:24] <ubuntu> Hey, before I install Ubuntu I'm just curious, what version of gnome does it come with?
[08:24] <Reblended> yes, that unionFS very interesting: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/wlg/6654
[08:24] <thoreauputic> Reblended: yes, I did a /whowas
[08:24] <mainer> 2.10
[08:24] <b2s> ubuntu: 2.10 I think
[08:24] <ubuntu> ok thank
[08:24] <ubuntu> s
[08:25] <Reblended> thoreauputic, and they weren't registered?
[08:25] <mainer> www.ubuntuguide.org
[08:25] <ubuntu> and also i would just like to say id never use the name ubuntu, im just using the live cd right now
[08:25] <thoreauputic> -- [aluusima]  (~aluusima@satp12-130.dnayritysnetti.net) : Unknown
[08:25] <Reblended> thoreauputic, funny, first time I've heard of that, whowas =] 
[08:25] <da_bon_bon> delltony: strangeee
[08:25] <thoreauputic> Reblended: ^^^
[08:25] <Reblended> thoreauputic,  ic
[08:25] <delltony> mainer, thats why i wanted to run a fsck on it
[08:25] <delltony> cause the pc is new
[08:25] <da_bon_bon> ubuntu: 2.10.1
[08:26] <delltony> anyway ill play with it thanks
[08:26] <mainer> delltony ,try using the rescue feature when booting off the cd
[08:26] <thoreauputic> Reblended: old Jedi trick, Luke ;-)
[08:26] <Reblended> thoreauputic, heh
[08:27] <Reblended> thoreauputic, I'd like to see what happens when you try /whoistocome
[08:27] <thoreauputic> Reblended: that requires tachyon support in the kernel ;-)
[08:28] <Reblended> thoreauputic, ROFL
[08:28] <Reblended> thoreauputic, or a borg hack
[08:28] <Reblended> *temporal
[08:28] <thoreauputic> ... a whole new meaning for "pre-emptive"
[08:29] <Reblended> apt-get -i future-kernel
[08:29] <mainer> delltony: if a new pc it's probly the reiser fs,it's been buggy on some h/w,best to use ext3
[08:29] <delltony> i have been told the exact same about ext3
[08:29] <Reblended> error, brain-network disconnected, please insert spinal interface
[08:29] <delltony> strange
[08:30] <thoreauputic> Reblended:  "unable to fetch some archives - perhaps try --fix-missing?"
[08:30] <Reblended> heh
[08:30] <mainer> not true to my knowledge,but google and read,that's the articles,i've seen,
[08:30] <mainer> well-night all,have a good day today:))
[08:31] <Reblended> wow... it is
[08:31] <Reblended> thoreauputic,  just make up the missing as you go along =D
[08:31] <Reblended> apt-get -i combine all programs into one big all-in-one
[08:31] <thoreauputic> Reblended: you clearly don't believe in predestination ;)
[08:32] <Reblended> thoreauputic, very perceptive
[08:32] <tga> is it just me or do the Ubuntu kernels have cpufreq somehow b0rked?
[08:32] <thoreauputic> Reblended: have you read "In the Beginning Was the Command Line" ?
[08:33] <Reblended> thoreauputic, No! lol but I have seen the excel '97 easteregg... in the beginning was excel...
[08:34] <Reblended> thoreauputic, cryptonomicon?
[08:34] <thoreauputic> http://www.cryptonomicon.com/command.zip
[08:34] <thoreauputic> Reblended: yes
[08:34] <thoreauputic> Neal Stephenson
[08:34] <Reblended> peeking inside
[08:34] <Reblended> ahh txt
[08:34] <revelater> what new games have come out for linux?
[08:35] <Reblended> wowsers.. that's a hulk
[08:35] <revelater> !hulk
[08:35] <thoreauputic> Reblended: interesting though - well worth reading
[08:35] <revelater> ??
[08:35] <thoreauputic> revelater: Frozen Bubble!
[08:36] <thoreauputic> well,, not new, but addictive...
[08:36] <Reblended> thoreauputic, LOL... I jumped to the bottom and I suddenly got futureshocked... something about an OS for daily life?
[08:36] <revelater> thoreauputic: is there a place i can go to find out about new games?
[08:36] <Mr-Petah> hi all
[08:36] <revelater> thoreauputic: for linux?
[08:36] <thoreauputic> revelater: yes, something like "Happy Penguin"
[08:36] <revelater> thoreauputic: and where do i got frozen bubble?
[08:36] <Reblended> revelater, linux comes with GCC, you can make your own! or learn python and use Blender to 3D model
[08:37] <thoreauputic> google that
[08:37] <Mr-Petah> hi bienve
[08:37] <thoreauputic> revelater: sudo apt-get install frozen-bubble
[08:37] <bienve> Mr-Petah, hi what happend ?
[08:37] <bienve> xd
[08:37] <Mr-Petah> here... reading
[08:37] <Mr-Petah> an u?
[08:37] <Mr-Petah> xD
[08:37] <bienve> Mr-Petah,  cool.
[08:37] <bienve> chilling
[08:37] <zodman> juaz
[08:37] <bienve> xD
[08:37] <Reblended> thoreauputic, install = -i ?
[08:37] <Mr-Petah> :P
[08:38] <sebas__> ( Sistema Operativo ) Linux  Ubuntu 6.10 - Breezy || Enterprise server - W2K bassed Kernel: 2.6.10-5-k7, GNU/Linux | Xorg: 6.8.2 | Escritorio: KDE: 3.4.0 | Cliente IRC: X-Chat v.2.4.1
[08:38] <stas> hi
[08:38] <Mr-Petah> wow
[08:38] <revelater> thoreauputic: you mean happypenguin.org?
[08:38] <stas> how do I make xearth work in ubuntu?
[08:38] <bienve> : o
[08:38] <Mr-Petah> Linux  Ubuntu 6.10 - Breezy || Enterprise server - W2K bassed ?!?!?!?!?!
[08:38] <Mr-Petah> lol
[08:38] <stas> xearth is the best thing ever
[08:39] <stas> and it doesn't work in ubuntu
[08:39] <stas> !!!!!
[08:39] <stas> !!!!!!!
[08:39] <stas> !
[08:39] <dr_willis> Hmm.. perhaps you need to tell the desktop/window manager to allow programs on the desktop
[08:39] <thoreauputic> revelater: that sounds like it - I'm not a gamer but I've heard of it
[08:39] <bienve> q viva el diablo
[08:39] <bienve> xD
[08:39] <salvestrini> hello
[08:39] <Mr-Petah> sebas__, hi man! you have a good OS
[08:39] <Reblended> stas, like scorched earth?
[08:40] <Mr-Petah> incredible hibrid
[08:40] <Reblended> stas no wait... a shaded image of the earth?
[08:40] <salvestrini> quick quiestion how can i set up an anacron job for a program to run for two minutes every five minutes?
[08:40] <revelater> thoreauputic: that frozen bubble thing is like 12 megs of downloading, better be worth it....
[08:40] <dr_willis> salvestrini,  you mean to Kill it - if it stays around for more then 2 min?
[08:40] <revelater> thoreauputic:  :P
[08:40] <Reblended> 2 mins with cable, revelater
[08:40] <thoreauputic> revelater: heh - question of taste I guess
[08:40] <thoreauputic> revelater: it's fun
[08:41] <salvestrini> dr_willis no i mean run for two minutes, wait five minutes, then run again
[08:41] <salvestrini> and so on
[08:41] <Reblended> stas,  still here?
[08:41] <Reblended> stas 169k for the source: http://www.hewgill.com/xearth/
[08:41] <Reblended> can't you compile for linux?
[08:42] <Reblended> or won't it work?
[08:42] <revelater> thoreauputic:  wow, is everything on that websit free?
[08:42] <Reblended> oss = free
[08:42] <thoreauputic> revelater: as far as I know
[08:43] <Reblended> thoreauputic, if I have the linux source, can't I compile with DJGPP and run it on windows?
[08:43] <Shufla> hello
[08:44] <Reblended> thoreauputic,  or is that not how porting works?
[08:44] <thoreauputic> Reblended: I have no idea, sorry
[08:44] <salvestrini> dr_willis the program is for a laptop fa control
[08:44] <thoreauputic> Reblended: I don't think it's that simole, no
[08:44] <thoreauputic> *simple
[08:44] <Reblended> thoreauputic, yah, I wouldn't think so. =] 
[08:44] <salvestrini> for some reason the fan does not turn on automatically
[08:44] <salvestrini> andi want to preserve battery
[08:45] <salvestrini> so basically what i want to do is to run the fan program for two minutes every five minutes
[08:46] <Reblended> why would running a program in console be a good idea?
[08:46] <Reblended> ( I know that some programs only run in console )
[08:46] <thoreauputic> Reblended: less to go wrong, less resources, easy to script, blah blah
[08:47] <Reblended> thoreauputic, hmm. thx
[08:47] <thoreauputic> some programs just don't need a gui at all
[08:47] <Shufla> i've got some problems with postfix+sasl - anyone here got time? i've got to much to explain, and I don't want to trash your screens :D
[08:47] <Reblended> ic
[08:47] <salvestrini> and for future reference the fan program can be found at rpmfind
[08:48] <thoreauputic> Reblended: also you can do a lot with non-X apps - eg mp3blaster is a console music player, mc is a console file manager etc
[08:49] <IIIEars> h
[08:49] <Reblended> hmm...
[08:49] <Reblended> just curious: thoreauputic,  what game is this? http://happypenguin.org/images/nogravity.jpg
[08:50] <thoreauputic> I have no idea , sorry :)
[08:50] <Reblended> oh I found it...
[08:50] <Reblended> heh
[08:50] <salvestrini> lol i was watching the apple 2 screen saver
[08:50] <dr_willis> 'mc' is well worth getting and useing. :P
[08:50] <salvestrini> brings back memories
[08:50] <thoreauputic> I'm not a gamer, as I said
[08:50] <Reblended> thoreauputic,  me either... (I try not to)
[08:50] <Reblended> thoreauputic,  funny.. happypuppy / happypenguin
[08:51] <tga> anyone running Ubuntu on an AMD laptop?
[08:51] <tga> can I just use a debian kernel-image on hoary?
[08:52] <da_bon_bon> tga: i'd say no
[08:52] <thoreauputic> tga: not recommended
[08:52] <tga> because..
[08:52] <da_bon_bon> tga: coz debian aint hoary
[08:53] <salvestrini> hoary is based on debian
[08:53] <thoreauputic> tga: different patches and functionality
[08:53] <salvestrini> but it's not a flavor of debian
[08:53] <da_bon_bon> but is not debian, tga
[08:53] <tga> thoreauputic: that's my problem, the Ubuntu kernels are b0rked.. some crappy cpufreq patch
[08:53] <da_bon_bon> tga: actually, u want what, the latest kernel ? compile your own
[08:54] <salvestrini> yep
[08:55] <tga> I don't feel like it, I'd rather use a decent canned kernel
[08:55] <Reblended> who here pronounces it "Lih-nicks" no "Luh-eye-nucks"?
[08:55] <da_bon_bon> tga: ubuntu isnt based on debian, it uses debian package manager
[08:56] <thoreauputic> tga: maybe if you say what the problem is, someone will know a fix
[08:56] <fabbione> da_bon_bon: dude.. ubuntu is based on debian
[08:56] <thoreauputic> Reblended: anyone with half a clue :)
[08:56] <tga> powernowd doesn't like my cpu.. it claims it's "known not to be supported"
[08:56] <Reblended> thoreauputic,  heh
[08:56] <Shufla> who's using ubuntu as server here?
[08:56] <fabbione> tga: file a bug on powernowd
[08:57] <thoreauputic> Reblended: I can send you a recording of Linus Torvalds saying it, if you like
[08:57] <fabbione> tga: powernowd decides what cpufreq modules to load
[08:57] <da_bon_bon> tga: do us a favor, just ask on -devel whether kernel is "b0rked" and then if no solution, file a bug
[08:57] <Reblended> thoreauputic, Yep, I just heard it last night
[08:57] <Reblended> thoreauputic, ty
[08:57] <da_bon_bon> fabbione: my bad :(
[08:57] <thoreauputic> Reblended: :)
[08:57] <fabbione> da_bon_bon: and no.. you dont't send people to -devel for this kind of questions
[08:57] <tga> it gets better.. if I load the cpufreq module, change the frequency, unload the module and load it back up then it will report the minimum frequency as the maximum one
[08:57] <Reblended> thoreauputic, I like the first way.. but I've heard a convincing argument for the latter
[08:57] <fabbione> you check first bugzilla
[08:58] <tga> I managed to get it to report my cpu supports scaling between 0MHz and 1MHz or something
[08:58] <fabbione> tga: do you have a p4?
[08:58] <da_bon_bon> fabbione: sorry, my bad again
[08:58] <thoreauputic> Reblended: linus pronounces his name linus, not lie -nus
[08:58] <tga> nah, powernow-k7
[08:58] <tga> athlon xp-m
[08:58] <Reblended> thoreauputic, yes,, like leen-us
[08:58] <thoreauputic> Reblended: right
[08:59] <tga> basically once I get the frequency down to 500MHz I can't bring it back up
[08:59] <fabbione> tga: we are aware of problems with p4, but not with k7. please file a bug on powernowd with cpufreq as keyword
[08:59] <tga> will do
[08:59] <fabbione> tga: it's the same problem as the p4 i think
[08:59] <fabbione> there was a very intrusive patch coming out to fix that issue
[08:59] <thoreauputic> Reblended: mind you,, he's on record as saying he doesn't care how you pronounce linux
[08:59] <fabbione> but it was posted 3 days before release
[08:59] <fabbione> to dangerous to include
[08:59] <Reblended> thoreauputic, just that you use it/ =] 
[09:00] <thoreauputic> Reblended: World Domination!!
[09:00] <thoreauputic> Reblended: mwuhahaha
[09:00] <Shufla> re
[09:01] <Reblended> thoreauputic, there's a guy that says, once Linux is mainstream, then viruses will be common for linux... I wasn't gonna argue with him, but I was like, yah, and you're reading Microghanda
[09:01] <thoreauputic> Shufla: wb
[09:01] <da_bon_bon> fabbione: so, pursuant to our conversation on devel, can such bugs like the one tga has, be fixed on hoary or wait till next release. its not a security issue ?
[09:01] <thoreauputic> Reblended: people who say that don't know anything about unix or linux
[09:02] <Shufla> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1784 - I spent 6 hours :(:(:(
[09:02] <Reblended> thoreauputic, nope.. but he did know a little about Linus... but that doesn't count
[09:03] <Reblended> thoreauputic, the whole security issue is, don't install it unless you trust it, right?
[09:03] <tga> da_bon_bon: the decent thing to do would be to fix the kernel and have a new version available
[09:03] <da_bon_bon> tga: i agree. thats why my question :
[09:03] <da_bon_bon> :)
[09:03] <thoreauputic> Reblended: well, that goes for any OS - but hey, you can't look at source code to check in a non-free OS, can you ?
[09:04] <fabbione> da_bon_bon: no. hoary is a stable release, and as such will only get security fixes
[09:04] <Reblended> thoreauputic, yah, but until I get a lot of time to read code, when will I do it?
[09:04] <Reblended> people can always reverse engineer... decompile? thoreauputic
[09:04] <da_bon_bon> fabbione: damn! so such showstopper bugs wont be fixed ? :(
[09:04] <tga> fabbione: so in what repository will a fixed kernel package go?
[09:05] <fabbione> da_bon_bon: a very well known behaviour (even if buggy) is better than destroying working setups
[09:05] <da_bon_bon> tga: breezy
[09:05] <fabbione> da_bon_bon: cpufreq is NOT a showstopper
[09:05] <thoreauputic> Reblended: reverse engineering won't show you the original source code
[09:05] <fabbione> tga: breezy
[09:05] <tga> fabbione: it is if you're using a laptop
[09:05] <fabbione> tga: i have laptops too and it is not a showstopper
[09:05] <Reblended> ah,
[09:05] <fabbione> a showstopper is when the kernel doesn't boot or eats your disk
[09:06] <fabbione> cpufreq is an extrafeature
[09:06] <fabbione> also
[09:06] <tga> fabbione: having 20 min battery life on a lappy that sounds like a leafblower isn't much fun either
[09:06] <fabbione> it can easilybe powernowd that is setting the wrong data in /proc to scale the freq
[09:06] <da_bon_bon> fabbione: laptop users really need cpufreq
[09:06] <|QuaD-> is anyone here using OOo2?
[09:06] <Reblended> rofl tga
[09:06] <fabbione> da_bon_bon: i have 4 testing laptops here... dude..
[09:06] <tga> fabbione: btw, I also got a frozen machine earlier.. I see the bug already exists
[09:06] <tga> fabbione: that means you're not using them on the move
[09:07] <Reblended> fabbione my sony vaio is quiet.. even with the fan going full out.. but it's only an 850
[09:07] <da_bon_bon> fabbione: and keeping them connected to AC, u wont notice, huh ?
[09:07] <tga> which is.. the whole point of laptops
[09:07] <fabbione> tga: i do also test without power supply.. that's part of the test cycle
[09:07] <da_bon_bon> fabbione: and cpufreq doesnt matter ?
[09:07] <Reblended> my sis's p4 (full size chip) 3.2 laptop is fairly quiet... even running ubuntu
[09:07] <da_bon_bon> oh, great
[09:07] <Dreamer3> i want a solid-state laptop
[09:08] <da_bon_bon> well, i really MUST get a laptop and get rid of this silly Piii 550mhz :(
[09:08] <Reblended> HP has 3 patents on the heatsink for their p4 laptop
[09:08] <tga> 550 MHz is all you need for a lappy, most of the time
[09:08] <fabbione> da_bon_bon: it matters only to a certain deegre.
[09:08] <tga> I usually scale my 1.4GHz athlon down to 550MHz anyway
[09:08] <fabbione> but no.. i don't get problems like from 4 hours battery life to 20 minutes
[09:08] <Reblended> da_bon_bon, what brand is it?
[09:08] <fabbione> if that's the case your battery has issue
[09:08] <da_bon_bon> fabbione: oh, no point in me continuing arguement, coz i dont have any lappies :(
[09:09] <da_bon_bon> Reblended: its a assembled desktop pc, not laptop
[09:09] <Reblended> my battery is kaput after a couple years... spendy too
[09:09] <fabbione> da_bon_bon: so why are you arguing so hard?
[09:09] <thoreauputic> Reblended: re: spyware/untrusted software - install Win XP and Zone Alarm, then watch as the OS phones home...
[09:09] <da_bon_bon> fabbione: on behalf of all laptop users :) ?
[09:09] <tga> fabbione: is there a fixed kernel in breezy yet?
[09:09] <Reblended> < laptop user x2 and I don't have that problem
[09:10] <fabbione> tga: not yet. i am preparing 2.6.12 right now
[09:10] <tga> ok, I won't roll my own then
[09:10] <da_bon_bon> fabbione: and because i feel that atleast bugfixes are necessary, even on "frozen" releases
[09:10] <fabbione> tga: + there is another problem that needs to get fixed before i can upload a kernel
[09:10] <Dreamer3> thoreauputic: it's for your own good, accept it ;-)
[09:10] <fabbione> da_bon_bon: the latter will never happen.
[09:10] <fabbione> tga: the main blocker for me to upload right now is mkinitrd
[09:11] <|QuaD-> i am noticing that spell check in OOo2 doesn't work, can anyone try to confirm thsi?
[09:11] <da_bon_bon> fabbione: latter as in bugfixes on frozen?
[09:11] <fabbione> tga: so i need to wait that it is fixed
[09:11] <fabbione> da_bon_bon: right
[09:11] <thoreauputic> Dreamer3: haha - of course, I forgot - how stupid of me ;)
[09:11] <fabbione> and hoary is not frozen.. it is a stable release
[09:11] <da_bon_bon> fabbione: oh, bad! and is firefox 1.0.2 -> 1,0,3 counted as a security issue ?
[09:11] <fabbione> there is a difference tehre
[09:11] <Dreamer3> fabbione: you package the kernels?
[09:12] <fabbione> da_bon_bon: from what archive did you get that?
[09:12] <da_bon_bon> Dreamer3: yes. read the wiki a bit
[09:12] <fabbione> Dreamer3: yes
[09:12] <da_bon_bon> fabbione: get it ? i am just asking. coz mozilla says its a bug fix release
[09:12] <\sh> hmmm
[09:12] <Dreamer3> fabbione: maybe you could help me... (i haven't confirmed it's the kernle yet - just booted back to 2.6.8.1) but with hoary my memory slowly gets all used up, goes into swap, until the system becomes unusable
[09:12] <\sh> guys...I'm totally crazy
[09:13] <tga> thanks for the information \sh
[09:13] <\sh> I want to swap from gentoo to ubuntu on a live enviroment ;)
[09:13] <Dreamer3> fabbione: i quit X, go to single user (like 4 processes) and sitll have 400mb in use)
[09:13] <tga> \sh: you're crazy for running gentoo in the first place, the rest doesn't matter :)
[09:13] <fabbione> da_bon_bon: i don't understand what you mean.. did you upgrade to 1.0.3 from hoary?
[09:13] <\sh> now, I have a 80gig hd with gentoo running, ok
[09:13] <\sh> a second hd with 40gig and this should be the ubuntu install hd for now
[09:13] <da_bon_bon> fabbione: no. i mean, will firefox in hoary ever be upgraded to 1.0.3 ?
[09:13] <Dreamer3> fabbione: i mean i reboot before it's impossible to use, but after 2-3 days it's sluggish, swapping, overloaded
[09:13] <jc> can someone help me set up my screen resolution .. for some reason the only option is 640x480 ... i want to set it to 1240x68 .. i have ubuntu 5.0
[09:13] <Reblended> how is Suse pronounced?
[09:13] <fabbione> Dreamer3: that could be a memory leak somewhere. you need to check what process is leaking
[09:14] <tga> Reblended: depends what country you live in :)
[09:14] <fabbione> Dreamer3: i don't see any leak here on hoary and my ws has weeks of uptime
[09:14] <fabbione> da_bon_bon: no, hoary will get the security fixes.
[09:14] <thoreauputic> Reblended: something like zoo-za I think
[09:14] <fabbione> as i already explained to you
[09:14] <Reblended> tga heh
[09:14] <fabbione> da_bon_bon: package makes no difference
[09:14] <Reblended> thoreauputic, ahh
[09:14] <Dreamer3> garrut_: yeah, i don't notice it on another PC, just my laptop, but i don't really use stuff outside of the base system
[09:14] <Dreamer3> fabbione: yeah, i don't notice it on another PC, just my laptop, but i don't really use stuff outside of the base system
[09:15] <da_bon_bon> fabbione: u mean, firefox security fixes will be backported for hoary ?
[09:15] <tga> I'm not even sure how 'Ubuntu' is pronounced
[09:15] <Reblended> \sh, I was gonna get a second drive, or even dual boot, then said, nah, kick it... and backed up my drive to cd and I'm trying to get xserver to run now
[09:15] <thoreauputic> ooboontoo
[09:15] <fabbione> da_bon_bon: exactly
[09:15] <Reblended> tga lol like a baseball BUNT with u on each end
[09:15] <Dreamer3> fabbione: could it be a kernel thing?
[09:15] <thoreauputic> Reblended: no
[09:15] <da_bon_bon> fabbione: it makes a differnece... the about screen wont show latest version... and i am a stickler for latest version. what do u suggest, the backports repo ?
[09:15] <Dreamer3> you-bun-too
[09:15] <Reblended> thoreauputic, heh, sound african, your way
[09:16] <Reblended> ooh-boon-tu
[09:16] <fabbione> Dreamer3: yes, but i seriously doubt. a memory leak of that size would be noticed by plenty of users
[09:16] <thoreauputic> Reblended: it's an african word :)
[09:16] <jc> can someone help me set up my screen resolution .. for some reason the only option is 640x480 ... i want to set it to 1240x68 .. i have ubuntu 5.0
[09:16] <da_bon_bon> hey, ya, can someone gimme a AMR or WAV file with the correct pronunciation of ubuntu ?
[09:16] <Reblended> ooh-boon-tu, yes? thoreauputic
[09:16] <fabbione> Dreamer3: i tend to believe that it is a local application with your specific settings
[09:16] <thoreauputic> Reblended: yeah
[09:16] <Dreamer3> fabbione: hmmm...
[09:16] <tga> jc: what video card do you have?
[09:16] <jc> onboard
[09:16] <tga> onboard 1 or onboard 2?
[09:16] <Dreamer3> fabbione: well, if 2.6.8.1 continues to work i'll say you're proven wrong, but if not how would i find the app?
[09:16] <cusco> hi I woke up just now and I was doing a sudo apt-get upgrade
[09:17] <jc> 1
[09:17] <Dreamer3> fabbione: i mean i open and close apps all day long
[09:17] <DrecoZA> jc, check ubuntuforums.org multiple solutions there
[09:17] <cusco> altho my password for sudo dindn't work 3 times
[09:17] <cusco> and now
[09:17] <fabbione> Dreamer3: one test could be to boot the laptop in single user and let it there for a while and see what happens
[09:17] <jc> k thanks
[09:17] <cusco> it syays that Im not on the suduers file
[09:17] <da_bon_bon> cusco: visudo and add urself
[09:17] <fabbione> Dreamer3: not if the application uses a feature that is in 2.6.10 only
[09:17] <tga> da_bon_bon: he can't get sudo to work, how do you think he can visudo?
[09:17] <Dreamer3> fabbione: what am i expecting, the memory to grow of it's own accord? :)
[09:18] <\sh> ok...now u know what I wanted to do...what is the best way to do it? debootstrap?
[09:18] <tga> cusco: you have to use the account that you created at install time
[09:18] <da_bon_bon> tga: oh, right... my bad :(
[09:18] <cusco> tga: and I did
[09:18] <tga> \sh: can't you just reboot?
[09:18] <tga> \sh: you have to reboot anyway
[09:18] <\sh> tga: no
[09:18] <\sh> later
[09:18] <da_bon_bon> cusco: try telinit 1 and pico or nano /etc/sudoers
[09:18] <Dreamer3> fabbione: interesting... so you'd think it'd be one of the daemons then?
[09:18] <\sh> tga: i need to install first...and the server is far away from me
[09:18] <tga> da_bon_bon: editing /etc/sudoers is evil, that's what visudo is for
[09:19] <fabbione> Dreamer3: as i said it can even be both :)
[09:19] <\sh> tga: so no cd install possible, everything has to be done remote
[09:19] <fabbione> Dreamer3: a ps ax should show what application is sucking memory
[09:19] <\sh> tga: as i said, i'm crazy
[09:19] <cusco> cusco is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported.
[09:19] <cusco> cusco@prometheus:~/eggdrop$
[09:19] <fabbione> Dreamer3: also, are you sure you are not confusing the mem usage with cache and buffers?
[09:19] <Dreamer3> fabbione: yes, i know how cache and buffers work :)
[09:19] <tga> \sh: one thing you could do is copy the livecd on the other drive, but that would be weird
[09:19] <da_bon_bon> tga: its not that difficult
[09:20] <fabbione> Dreamer3: ok... just wanted to make sure :)
[09:20] <tga> \sh: if it's a server you could just do a debootstrap and go with debian
[09:20] <Dreamer3> garrut_: i quit X drop to single user and still 300mb+ is in use (not accounted for)
[09:20] <\sh> tga: deboostrap with a kernel and grub...so i have to install it and reboot and hope that everything is running fine
[09:21] <tga> \sh: that's not ubuntu however
[09:21] <tga> \sh: although you'll probably be better off
[09:21] <Dreamer3> fabbione: i quit X drop to single user and still 300mb+ is in use (not accounted for)... this is the -/+ line, i'm not gettin gbuffers and cache included
[09:21] <\sh> tga: but i want to use ubuntu ;)
[09:21] <Dreamer3> fabbione: so if 2.6.8.1 works out... reboot into 2.6.10 and do what?
[09:21] <Dreamer3> fabbione: console?
[09:21] <|QuaD-> why owon't anyone answer me about OOo2 :(
[09:21] <Dreamer3> fabbione: though that really isn't great cause i use this for work :)
[09:21] <nnonix> tga is bitter
[09:22] <\sh> hmmm
[09:22] <\sh> what about this
[09:22] <\sh> running qemu with the install iso
[09:22] <thoreauputic> \sh: debootstrap is available in ubuntu (it's in main, in fact)
[09:22] <\sh> trying to access via qemu the second harddrive
[09:22] <Dreamer3> fabbione: that's the thing i open and close so many apps... firefox uses a LOT... i've seen it up to 200mb i think... but isn't that normal?
[09:23] <tga> nnonix: while ubuntu is marginally better on a desktop I don't see the point of using it on a server atm
[09:23] <\sh> thoreauputic: i don't need debootstrap on ubuntu ;) i need ubuntus debootstrap on gentoo ;)
[09:23] <tga> nnonix: but that's just me
[09:23] <Dreamer3> fabbione: and i tend to leave firefox open indefinately as well
[09:23] <thoreauputic> \sh: OK :)
[09:23] <nnonix> tga: I wouldn't argue with that statement.
[09:24] <topyli> |QuaD-: because nobody dares using it since it's too unstable still :)
[09:25] <|QuaD-> topyli: lol thanks
[09:25] <|QuaD-> haha
[09:26] <topyli> tga: i don't see why ubuntu wouldn't be a good server too. just like debian, only it's more up to date :)
[09:27] <da_bon_bon> topyli: ubuntu is more up to date than debian ? lol, u r joking.
[09:27] <Reblended> how do I find the BusID of my video card?
[09:27] <moneyfirst> I just install ubuntu a few hours ago and it's very amazing. Docs <_-- very nice for newbie
[09:27] <Huwge> df -h .
[09:27] <Huwge> ooops <blush>
[09:28] <Reblended> moneyfirst, cool! what machine are you running?
[09:28] <moneyfirst> anyway... can someone help me with WPA ( wireless enscription )
[09:28] <topyli> da_bon_bon: i'm not joking. servers use stable distributions you know. woody doesn't exactly have the latest and greatest
[09:28] <moneyfirst> I'm running intel p3 with 512 mb ram.. old comp
[09:28] <Reblended> yah moneyfirst
[09:28] <tga> topyli: it wouldn't be much worse, but I don't see people making it significantly better either
[09:28] <tga> topyli: like including php5 packages for instance
[09:28] <moneyfirst> but it perform good with ubuntu
[09:28] <Reblended> moneyfirst, I just did wep the other day
[09:28] <moneyfirst> the wireless card is working
[09:29] <Reblended> moneyfirst, great!
[09:29] <moneyfirst> and should be the wpa
[09:29] <Reblended> moneyfirst, have you found the wpa settings?
[09:29] <moneyfirst> but i need help in configuring the wpa supplicant
[09:29] <moneyfirst> btw, wpa supplicant <-- installed already
[09:29] <Scuddie> Omigod.
[09:29] <fabbione> Dreamer3: the only way to see if it is a kernel memory leak is to boot in single user and let it sit there for a while
[09:29] <moneyfirst> I found the tutorial in the wiki
[09:29] <moneyfirst> but can't understand it
[09:29] <fabbione> Dreamer3: and yes.. i do understand that you use the laptop
[09:29] <Reblended> moneyfirst, got the url?
[09:29] <topyli> tga: well, if that's what you need, you find a distro that has it of course
[09:30] <moneyfirst> wait...give me a second
[09:30] <da_bon_bon> topyli: right. that way, ok. but sarge and sid are much more updated than hoary... but i guess u cant compare them... :)
[09:30] <fabbione> Dreamer3: firefox isn't really the best thing to test with :P
[09:30] <Reblended> moneyfirst, k
[09:30] <Dreamer3> fabbione: so, anything terrible about sticking with 2.6.8.1 (if it works) or moving to a newer kernel?
[09:30] <Burgundavia> da_bon_bon, sarge is older than hoary
[09:30] <Burgundavia> da_bon_bon, and breezy just synced to breezy
[09:30] <bosewicht> da_bon_bon?
[09:30] <thoreauputic> da_bon_bon: can I have some of your crack/
[09:30] <Burgundavia> da_bon_bon, hoary did too, until the upstream version freeze
[09:30] <fabbione> Dreamer3: ok.. let say you quit X.. is there anything else running in background that is sucking memory?
[09:30] <moneyfirst> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WPAHowto
[09:31] <Scuddie> Perhaps someone can tell me why my sound configuration reports the OSS device as a Realtek ALC650f?
[09:31] <Dreamer3> fabbione: no, i dropped to single user mode... and logged in... bash (1 or 2 other small things) then kernel tasks
[09:31] <moneyfirst> Reblended : http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WPAHowto this is the url
[09:31] <Reblended> moneyfirst, yep... got it thx
[09:31] <topyli> da_bon_bon: sid is sid, not really a stable platform. testing is even worse, it's the last one to get security updates. i wouldn't use testing even on a desktop
[09:32] <Dreamer3> fabbione: yet still 300/400mb in use
[09:32] <thoreauputic> Scuddie: because your sound device is a Realtek ALC650f???
[09:32] <da_bon_bon> Burgundavia: didnt i say that u cant compare them ? i'd say that breezy can be compared to sid and sarge...
[09:32] <da_bon_bon> Burgundavia: are u sure that sarge is older than hoary ??
[09:32] <Reblended> reading up... moneyfirst sry, thought you had said wep.. but let me take a look
[09:32] <moneyfirst> Reblended : ok, i'll wait :>
[09:32] <bosewicht> sarge is really old
[09:32] <da_bon_bon> thoreauputic: :P whaddya mean, i am hung ?
[09:32] <\sh> http://www.underhanded.org/papers/debian-conversion/remotedeb.html
[09:32] <\sh> this is what i need ;)
[09:33] <Scuddie> I honestly had no idea Realtek has anything to do with nVidia's MCP-T audio chipset
[09:33] <Reblended> moneyfirst, did you run the script?
[09:33] <St0n3-C0l> I installed linux-image-2.6.10-5-686 and it gave me kernel panic
[09:33] <St0n3-C0l> strange!
[09:33] <moneyfirst> Remenic I haven't try it, since i can't understand what it told
[09:33] <St0n3-C0l> I've linux-image-2.6.10-5-386
[09:33] <topyli> da_bon_bon: sid is a nice desktop though, if you know how to fix it when it breaks :)
[09:33] <Hmm> err
[09:33] <Hmm> oot@1[knoppix] # chroot /mnt/hda7/ /bin/bash
[09:33] <Hmm> chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': No such file or directory
[09:33] <Dreamer3> fabbione: i mean there were services and stuff, so to be sure i dropped to runlevel 1, and still no dice (still memory used)
[09:33] <da_bon_bon> topyli: really ? why is sarge the last to get security updates ?
[09:33] <moneyfirst> Reblended I haven't try it, since i can't understand what it told
[09:34] <Reblended> moneyfirst, ahh
[09:34] <liable> bosewicht: whay do you mean sarge is really old? its not even released yet
[09:34] <KarlosII> why won't it let me chroot?
[09:34] <St0n3-C0l> Scuddie: Realtek makes LAN devices ?
[09:34] <thoreauputic> KarlosII: are you sure you have the right partition there?
[09:34] <topyli> da_bon_bon: testing doesn't get security updates. packages get from sid to testing sometimes, and you can hope they have no problems
[09:34] <moneyfirst> Reblended so far i only installed the wpa supplicant using synaptics
[09:34] <Dreamer3> fabbione: any other comments, i hvae to split?
[09:34] <KarlosII> thoreauputic: yea it is, I'm trying to fix my ubuntu install
[09:35] <bosewicht> with the debian repos, all of them are old, if u don't use extra repos, u will have a relatively old system
[09:35] <KarlosII> I'm getting kernel panics
[09:35] <St0n3-C0l> KarlosII: same problem with me too!
[09:35] <thoreauputic> so hda7 is your root partition?
[09:35] <KarlosII> yes
[09:35] <Reblended> moneyfirst, ok.. and it says to copy your wpa_supplicant.conf to /etc and edit it...
[09:35] <St0n3-C0l> I am updating my kernel and kernel panic :s
[09:35] <nate> Is there a repository anywhere on the net for Ogg Theora format videos?
[09:35] <St0n3-C0l> thankgod I didn't removed the other one :P
[09:35] <nate> ie, any videos that can be played natively by Ubuntu?
[09:36] <KarlosII> root@1[knoppix] # ls /mnt/hda7/bin/bash
[09:36] <KarlosII> /mnt/hda7/bin/bash
[09:36] <thoreauputic> nate: good question - if you find out please tell me
[09:36] <Dreamer3> fabbione: anything?
[09:36] <da_bon_bon> topyli: oh, but whats the real difference between sid and sarge ? i mean, sid is just updated faster, right ?
[09:36] <thoreauputic> nate: I've only found one
[09:36] <KarlosII> hmm
[09:36] <Bazzi> da_bon_bon and with more risky packages
[09:36] <Bazzi> as in, may not work
[09:36] <nate> thoreauputic: oh? which one?
[09:36] <nj> nate: i wouldnt mind knowing either ;)
[09:37] <nate> it's something it would be good to put in the FAQ, or on the Wiki I guess, if we find any
[09:37] <St0n3-C0l> da_bon_bon: Sid is unstable branch and Sarge is in testing...
[09:37] <topyli> da_bon_bon: new upstream versions get to sid. if they have no problems for a while (a few weeks) and there are no conflicts, they get to testing
[09:37] <St0n3-C0l> both are diff :P
[09:37] <nate> at present I haven't found even one
[09:37] <p0si> got a question about upgrading warty to hoary... changed my sources.list to "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary main restricted" and ran apt-get update (successful) but upgrade/dist-upgrade does not find any packages to update. if I try to install something manual it complains about missing dependencies/version-nr -- any ideas/hints for me???
[09:37] <KarlosII> thoreauputic: no idea i take it
[09:37] <nate> or at least I found one that only played audio
[09:37] <KarlosII> ...
[09:37] <thoreauputic> nate: only one video I mean
[09:37] <nate> thoreauputic: right, that's what I thought
[09:37] <sparkling> hi all
[09:38] <St0n3-C0l> p0si: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main universe multiverse restricted
[09:38] <Reblended> thoreauputic, can you make sense of this for moneyfirst (http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WPAHowto)
[09:38] <nate> there isn't even a sample test video that comes with Totem, is there?
[09:38] <St0n3-C0l> and then
[09:38] <thoreauputic> nate: http://www.polycrystal.org/lego/movies/a_new_computer.ogg
[09:38] <St0n3-C0l> p0si: apt-update
[09:38] <nate> woohoo
[09:38] <St0n3-C0l> apt-get update**
[09:38] <topyli> da_bon_bon: the real difference is that sid is not even meant to be released, ever
[09:38] <da_bon_bon> hey, can someone gimme a AMR or WAV file with the correct pronunciation of ubuntu ?
[09:38] <nate> downloading
[09:38] <p0si> st0n3-c0l: thats what I did...
[09:39] <thoreauputic> Reblended: no, I'm profoundly ignorant about wifi, sorry
[09:39] <da_bon_bon> topyli: and sarge is frozen at a point in time to be woody, right ?
[09:39] <nate> da_bon_bon 'my name is Mark Shuttleworth and I prounounce Ubuntu Ubuntu'?
[09:39] <St0n3-C0l> p0si: Strange.
[09:39] <St0n3-C0l> cat /etc/issue
[09:39] <da_bon_bon> nate: not my idea of a joke :P
[09:39] <cor1> hello
[09:40] <zerokarmaleft> nate, i used thoggen to rip a short DVD just to test how Theora looked/performed
[09:40] <nate> we should have that as a video :)
[09:40] <corp_> manzanita: ole!
[09:40] <corp_> i have just installed a KDE theme, but it doesnt show up in the themes list
[09:40] <corp_> i installed it via Synaptic
[09:40] <comfrey_> hey all
[09:40] <corp_> what do i have to do to make this theme show up?
[09:41] <nate> ooh
[09:41] <St0n3-C0l> Breezy has started putting some updates
[09:41] <Reblended> thoreauputic, any thoughts?
[09:41] <St0n3-C0l> and I've updated all of them;)
[09:41] <comfrey_> i am trying to figure out what is loading psmouse every time my box boots?
[09:41] <comfrey_> is it discover?
[09:41] <nate> I see now on the Theora.org site there are videos of the Fedora development conference from late March
[09:41] <thoreauputic> Reblended: sorry, on what?
[09:41] <topyli> da_bon_bon: it becomes stable, yes. but it will be released as sarge and the new testing will get its own name
[09:42] <da_bon_bon> topyli: oh ok.. right.
[09:42] <Reblended> thoreauputic, on wifi lol know anyone here that can help?
[09:42] <Reblended> thoreauputic,  it's a wpa question
[09:42] <liable> comfrey_: discover or hotplug
[09:42] <da_bon_bon> also, i dont know what debian has got to do with stupid toy story 2 :(
[09:42] <Dreamer3> is breezy even usable?
[09:42] <Dreamer3> is it mostly hoary right now or what?
[09:42] <thoreauputic> Reblended: as I said, I know nothing about it, sorry
[09:42] <Reblended> thoreauputic, np
[09:42] <comfrey_> liable: interesting...   i will investigate
[09:43] <Reblended> thoreauputic, I'm wondering if you can make sense of the steps, though?
[09:43] <Shufla> da_bon_bon: read debian history....
[09:43] <liable> comfrey_: if you want it to stop, you will have to blacklist it in both
[09:43] <da_bon_bon> Dreamer3: some dude on devel told me to wait..
[09:43] <da_bon_bon> Shufla: where ?
[09:43] <nate> hmm
[09:43] <nate> A New Computer is Creative Commons Sharealike
[09:43] <Shufla> da_bon_bon: try google or wikipedia. second debian leader was Pixar's employer
[09:43] <nate> we could distribute it as a demo movie if it's any good...
[09:43] <comfrey_> ok, i have it blacklisted in discover and now will do the same in hotplug
[09:44] <comfrey_> and vesa too
[09:44] <Dreamer3> da_bon_bon: well, yeah, it's probably not recommended to run :) i was juast asking sine it was being discussed
[09:44] <nate> wait
[09:44] <thoreauputic> nate: it's cute
[09:44] <comfrey_> i have a i855GM and am trying to get better video than vesa, but unsure of the fb to use
[09:44] <nate> according to the website, it's ogg Audio only?
[09:44] <nate> MPEG4/Ogg
[09:44] <thoreauputic> nate: no, it's a vid
[09:45] <Reblended> theora = ogg
[09:45] <da_bon_bon> Shufla: oh ok. that explains it...
[09:45] <nate> sure
[09:45] <thoreauputic> nate: I have it here
[09:45] <nate> no
[09:45] <nate> Ogg is a container format
[09:45] <nate> Theora is a codec
[09:45] <da_bon_bon> anyway, i'm off guts
[09:45] <thoreauputic> right
[09:45] <da_bon_bon> s/guts/guys
[09:45] <da_bon_bon> bye
[09:45] <da_bon_bon> cya later
[09:45] <ace2001ac> what '-dev' package has the pthread lib in it
[09:45] <nate> are you sure it's not using Xvid as the video codec?
[09:45] <Reblended> nate so I can encode with other than theora and still contain it in ogg?
[09:46] <comfrey_> wondering if i810 is the best fbdev for 855gm or if i should use intelfb
[09:46] <thoreauputic> nate: the file extension is .ogg for both audio and video
[09:46] <nate> I believe so
[09:46] <comfrey_> it seems that intelfb is way outa date
[09:46] <nate> yes, that's not my point
[09:46] <comfrey_> ok, heres a reboot for psmouse
[09:46] <thoreauputic> nate: peter@panarchy:~/video $ file a_new_computer.ogg
[09:46] <thoreauputic> a_new_computer.ogg: Ogg data
[09:46] <nate> ...
[09:47] <nate> I'm not disputing that
[09:47] <tga> extensions are sooo last century
[09:47] <nate> but Ogg does not imply Theora
[09:47] <Reblended> k
[09:47] <nate> any more than QuickTime implies Xvid
[09:47] <thoreauputic> nate: I know
[09:47] <Reblended> thoreauputic,  he was telling me
[09:47] <Reblended> =] 
[09:47] <Seveas> ace2001ac, pthreads is part of glibc
[09:47] <nate> oh wait
[09:48] <nate> he does have a Theora encoding on his site, as well as Xvid/Vorbis
[09:48] <nate> whew
[09:48] <nate> I was afraid it was this one: http://polycrystal.org/lego/movies/a_new_computer-small-mpeg4-vorbis.ogg
[09:48] <thoreauputic> nate: there's a small version that's mpeg/ogg as well
[09:48] <nate> that'll be it
[09:48] <ace2001ac> Seveas: hmm... so I shouldn't be getting this error? "undefined reference to `pthread_key_create'"
[09:49] <St0n3-C0l> From Spirit and Love you get Independence!
[09:50] <thoreauputic> nate: have you tried the bigger one? It plays well here
[09:50] <Reblended> anyone here know how to setup WPA? moneyfirst needs help with it: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WPAHowto
[09:50] <nate> yay
[09:50] <nate> it's playing
[09:50] <jubei> when i use sudo -u username -s i cant start X applications, why is this?
[09:51] <Seveas> ace2001ac, have you linked it against -lpthreads?
[09:51] <Seveas> Reblended, i wrote the wpahowto :)
[09:52] <Daehlie> jubei: gksudo command
[09:52] <jubei> ok tah
[09:52] <jubei> will that work with kde?
[09:52] <ace2001ac> Seveas: ah, I'll try
[09:52] <thoreauputic> jubei: kdesu I think
[09:52] <nate> hee hee hee
[09:52] <\sh> hehe
[09:52] <\sh> starting my adventure
[09:53] <nate> can we make a .deb for this and get it added to Universe or Multiverse?
[09:53] <Burgundavia> nate, which?
[09:54] <thoreauputic> nate: you could suggest it in #ubuntu-motu I guess
[09:54] <nate> Burgundavia: A New Computer, as a demo Theora file for Totem
[09:54] <Seveas> moneyfirst?
[09:54] <nate> I remember Windows 95 had a music video clip it shipped with
[09:54] <Burgundavia> nate, lol
[09:54] <Burgundavia> nate, might be good
[09:55] <nate> 'Good Times', I think
[09:55] <Scuddie> I need to know...  How do I force a resolution upon gnome?
[09:56] <Reblended> moneyfirst, ty more for the caution of wep...
[09:56] <Reblended> bye all!
[09:56] <ace2001ac> Seveas: it worked, thanks
[09:56] <Seveas> Scuddie, you don't, you force a resolution upon X
[09:56] <Scuddie> Yeah, I know...
[09:56] <Seveas> Scuddie, edit your xorg.conf (hoary) or XFree86-4 (warty)
[09:57] <IIIEars> Hi! - Do i need a plugin for totem/xine to play DVDs?
[09:57] <UsefulIdiot> you certainly do
[09:57] <Seveas> IIIEars, yes
[09:58] <IIIEars> xine-dvdnav?
[09:58] <UsefulIdiot> read the media stuff here: http://ubuntuguide.org/
[09:58] <Scuddie> That should be in /etc, right?
[09:58] <liable> Scuddie: /etc/X11/balh
[09:58] <IIIEars> lol - rtfm - lol - okay - you might guess i am new.
[09:58] <liable> s/balh/blah
[09:58] <IIIEars> Thank You :)
[09:59] <UsefulIdiot> there's a section thing on dvd playback
[09:59] <pvanhoof> aspell ain't working for gnome applications in breezy
[09:59] <pvanhoof> how can this be fixed?
[09:59] <TheoVN1605> Whats the driver availibilty for dell laptops??
[09:59] <Deafcon> hello
[09:59] <topyli> nate: i remember it did have the blue screen of death just like the movie does :)
[09:59] <liable> pvanhoof: buting a dictionary :)
[09:59] <Burgundavia> TheoVN1605, depends on the model
[09:59] <revelater> i just used synaptic to download wxpython, latest version, how do i access it?
[10:00] <tga> 1. dump weird release names 2. switch to year-based release names 3. ??? 4. profit
[10:00] <nate> people are using Breezy already? Yow
[10:00] <snader> yay
[10:00] <revelater> i just used synaptic to download wxpython, latest version, how do i access it?
[10:00] <Deafcon> To be a su, I required a password for this...
[10:00] <snader> breezah!
[10:00] <Scuddie> Hmmm...
[10:00] <|QuaD-> topyli: i saved as sxw and am usin 1.0 :)
[10:00] <Burgundavia> revelater, wxpython is a toolkit, not a program
[10:01] <thoreauputic_> tga: you forgot 1(a) Find a rich ex astronaut ;-)
[10:01] <nate> a binding, even
[10:01] <Seveas> revelater, read the manual... seriously, we cannot explain wxpython programming on IRC
[10:01] <revelater> Burgundavia, i just donwloaded it and a program needs to use it...
[10:01] <Scuddie> I see 1152x864, but I can't seem to get higher than 1024x768.  Weird
[10:01] <nate> I guess you'd need wxWorks as well, is that a dependency?
[10:01] <Burgundavia> revelater, the program will know what to do
[10:01] <Burgundavia> revelater, which program?
[10:01] <topyli> |QuaD-: OO.o 1.0? that's the one to use if you want a more or less working office suite :)
[10:02] <pvanhoof> liable, :)
[10:02] <revelater> Burgundavia, its a game...
[10:02] <Burgundavia> revelater, which game?
[10:02] <revelater> its not recognizing the changes...
[10:02] <revelater> Burgundavia, TP
[10:02] <Scuddie> So how do I force a resolution upon X if xorg.conf is ignored?
[10:02] <Burgundavia> revelater, then likely the game is borked. TP?
[10:02] <Burgundavia> Scuddie, hmm?
[10:02] <revelater> Burgundavia, toilet paper..
[10:03] <revelater> Burgundavia, j/k
[10:03] <topyli> revelater: you have wxpython toilet paper? :)
[10:03] <liable> Scuddie: have you just changed it recently?
[10:03] <liable> Scuddie: without reboot/ restartx
[10:03] <Burgundavia> revelater, do you have an issue that I can solve?
[10:03] <revelater> Burgundavia, thousand parsec
[10:03] <|QuaD-> topyli: it actually crashed recently, 2.0 hasn't crashed yet :)
[10:03] <Scuddie> I just changed it before my last reboot.
[10:03] <revelater> it seems that its a version confliction
[10:04] <topyli> |QuaD-: heh. well, my experience is the opposite. then again, i don't use OO.o much
[10:04] <Scuddie> Actually, come to find out, I didn't have to change it at all.  The resolution mode was already there.
[10:04] <revelater> Burgundavia, do i need to open the program using python as the program?
[10:04] <|QuaD-> topyli: me neither :)
[10:04] <Burgundavia> revelater, the program should just find the library
[10:04] <Burgundavia> revelater, if it doesn't then the program is likely borked
[10:05] <topyli> or the library
[10:05] <Scuddie> This is why linux scares me.
[10:05] <revelater> or the toilet paper
[10:05] <topyli> hehe
[10:05] <Scuddie> Apparently, I aint smart enough to get anything right.
[10:05] <|QuaD-> does anyone knwo the status of beagle? i heard it was almost ready
[10:05] <Choubaka> Scuddie: persistence!
[10:05] <quempion> hello i just installed ubuntu. how to know what ports i've open? and how to open/close ports? can anyone helps me ?
[10:06] <Burgundavia> Scuddie, you are smart enough, but what is the issue
[10:06] <Burgundavia> |QuaD-, is still very beta
[10:06] <Burgundavia> quempion, no open ports by default
[10:06] <|QuaD-> Burgundavia: eh? it is pretty stable, just not on ubuntu
[10:06] <|QuaD-> works great on my foresight box
[10:06] <Burgundavia> |QuaD-, have you used it Ubuntu?
[10:06] <topyli> Scuddie: things should already be "right" after you install ubuntu. you shouldn't be bothered with such stuff
[10:06] <Burgundavia> |QuaD-, where are you getting your packages?
[10:07] <|QuaD-> Burgundavia: did you read what i wrote?
[10:07] <Scuddie> I see 1152x864 in xorg.conf, but I don't see it Screen Resolution.
[10:07] <k-n> hi what is ubuntu horey default root password
[10:07] <Burgundavia> |QuaD-, sorry, responded at the same time, where are you getting your packages?
[10:07] <Scuddie> I am currently running in 1024x768
[10:07] <Burgundavia> k-n, none, Ubunt uses sudo. See www.ubuntu.com/wiki/RootSudo
[10:08] <|QuaD-> Burgundavia: i said it doesn't work well on ubuntu
[10:08] <Scuddie> And that resolution isn't good enough.
[10:08] <topyli> k-n: root is disabled and doesn't need a password
[10:08] <Burgundavia> |QuaD-, some of the packages out there are borked. http://manno.name/debian/ <-- this one is particular
[10:08] <|QuaD-> Burgundavia: it works well on my foresight box... it seems developers of debian based distros are having problems
[10:08] <Deafcon> no nmap in this LiveCD? that's lame
[10:09] <Burgundavia> |QuaD-, there were some issues with packaging mono is debian that have been resolved in sid/breezy
[10:09] <k-n> topyli: When i run Ubuntu update manager it asked for password? What should I do?
[10:09] <Scuddie> k-n if you need root access, you have to run 'sudo passwd root' at a terminal.
[10:09] <|QuaD-> Burgundavia: IT DOESN"T WORK WELL ON DEBIAN BASED DISTRIBUTIONS. I AGREE. however, other distributions it works fine on
[10:09] <Burgundavia> k-n, your password
[10:09] <|QuaD-> like foresight
[10:09] <|QuaD-> and i assume suse
[10:09] <topyli> k-n: it asks for "your password", no?
[10:09] <revelater> Burgundavia, problem is that i just downloaded wxpython, and i need to know what the name is to use in a terminal
[10:09] <Burgundavia> revelater, wxpython is called by the program not you. You should just start the program and it should go to where it needs to go
[10:10] <k-n> topyli: Ok got it.. thanks
[10:10] <Dreamer3_> mono
[10:10] <Scuddie> Why, oh why, will I be forced to ponder the matter of forcing screen res to 1152x864.
[10:11] <Dreamer3_> who's doing .net on linux? raise your hand
[10:11] <revelater> Burgundavia, python hasn't updated its version then...
[10:11] <St0n3-C0l> Dreamer3_: LOLZ!
[10:11] <|QuaD-> Dreamer3_: i am a big mono programme
[10:11] <|QuaD-> r
[10:11] <|QuaD-> or trying to be :) i hate gtk#
[10:11] <thoreauputic_> Scuddie: have you tried  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ?
[10:11] <thoreauputic_> or xserver-xfree86 for warty...
[10:11] <Dreamer3_> should try rubyonrails :)
[10:12] <Scuddie> I didn't know of that.  Thanks for the pointer.
[10:12] <nate> Ruby's a fun little language
[10:12] <nate> I'm just learning it
[10:13] <IIIEars> For DVDs - apt-get install from the ubuntu guide came up empty. will this work? libdvdcss2_1.2.8-sarge0.0_i386.deb
[10:14] <liable> Scuddie: check you refresh rates too, make sure they are right, googling 'xorg resolution problem' comes up with quite a bit of info
[10:14] <IIIEars> Ruby is cool - Lamppix includes it on their live CD
[10:14] <Burgundavia> IIIEars, read www.ubuntu.com/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[10:14] <quempion> can anyone help me ? i want to know how to open/close my ports, and  i dont know the portnumber of FTP, HTTPd, Telnet, SSH, etc.
[10:14] <xukun> anybody know why I get this "WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!
[10:14] <xukun>   gimp gimp-data libgimp2.0 gimp-python
[10:14] <xukun> Install these packages without verification [y/N] ?
[10:14] <xukun> "
[10:14] <Burgundavia> IIIEars, don't install a sarge pakcage on debian
[10:14] <IIIEars> okay - Thanks
[10:14] <Deafcon> no /var/www ? that suck!
[10:14] <Burgundavia> quempion, by default, Ubuntu has no open ports
[10:15] <topyli> quempion: look at /etc/services
[10:15] <megamind> Salam everybody ... i would like to have some help on samba configurations while i can not login as root
[10:16] <megamind> do i have some help plz
[10:16] <eromb> Does anyone know how to compile packages for a different Architecture?
[10:16] <thoreauputic_> Deafcon: Ubuntu is not a server distro by default
[10:16] <quempion> Burgundavia: yeah, for example, i want to open the ssh.
[10:16] <megamind> i m newbie to ubunutoo ... so plz guide me abt that
[10:16] <nate> xukun: I'm getting that also
[10:16] <quempion> topyli: oki thanks
[10:16] <Burgundavia> quempion, insatll the package will do it
[10:16] <Deafcon> Alright, What's so good about this distro?
[10:16] <nate> with different packages
[10:17] <megamind> Salam everybody ... i would like to have some help on samba configurations while i can not login as root
[10:17] <Burgundavia> Deafcon, well set up desktop distro. One good program by default
[10:17] <eromb> megamind: you can get root access with sudo su
[10:17] <liable> quempion: you talking about firewall?
[10:17] <quempion> Burgundavia: it's already installed. i type ssh <IP> and it's installed.
[10:17] <thoreauputic_> Deafcon: depends who you are and what you like I guess
[10:17] <Burgundavia> megamind, www.ubuntu.com/wiki/RootSudo
[10:17] <Scuddie> Do I want to use kernel framebuffer interface??
[10:17] <quempion> liable: nono, just open ssh port for example, to join my pc remotely
[10:17] <Burgundavia> quempion, there is ssh server and client
[10:17] <megamind> like .. i want to confiugure the samba.conf file ...
[10:17] <Deafcon> Yeah well, i like fluxbox with some networking tools..
[10:18] <megamind> so how do i do that while i can not change the file attibutes ...
[10:18] <thoreauputic_> Deafcon: you can install those things
[10:18] <liable> quempion: well, if you have ssh installed, it should be listening on that port, lsof -i
[10:18] <Deafcon> yes i can.. But no thanks.. I already have it..
[10:18] <megamind> like .. i want to confiugure the samba.conf file ...
[10:18] <megamind> so how do i do that while i can not change the file attibutes ...
[10:18] <IIIEars> rtfm - that helped - (grin) i even learned something about esd and laws in sweden - Thanks again :)
[10:19] <thoreauputic_> Deafcon: well, whatever works for you :)
[10:19] <Deafcon> This "ubuntu" distro kinda lame..
[10:19] <Dreamer3_> Deafcon: read the hype, it's slick, nice debian desktop :) if that's not what you want don't go for it :)
[10:19] <eromb> megamind: on a console type sudo vim /etc/samba.conf
[10:19] <Deafcon> but it alright
[10:19] <GuruFF> lo i need help with X, need to specify what font will menus use and generally what fot what uses... help
[10:19] <quempion> Burgundavia: oki thanks. can u help me to know, how to open/close ports??
[10:19] <nate> yay, the default BitTorrent download GUI is very nice now
[10:19] <Burgundavia> quempion, ports are opened by programs that get installed
[10:20] <Deafcon> I'm running ubuntu LiveCD right now.. Look same pretty much.. GNOME is not for me..
[10:20] <Scuddie> thoreaputic_, Do I want to use kernel framebuffer device interface or not?  What's default for ubuntu?
[10:20] <Burgundavia> quempion, thus if you install ssh-server, it opens the ssh port (which is ucrrently escaping me)
[10:20] <Burgundavia> Deafcon, to be honest, if you are here to flame, please leave
[10:21] <thoreauputic_> Scuddie: I think you can just accept the default for that or say no
[10:21] <Scuddie> Does it not matter for OpenGL?
[10:21] <Scuddie> Or at all?
[10:21] <quempion> Burgundavia: aah oki, thanks. and.. if i want to close SSH port por example ?
[10:22] <nate> quempion: the ssh port is not open if you do not have the ssh server installed
[10:22] <Burgundavia> quempion, it is not open
[10:22] <Burgundavia> quempion, as nate said
[10:22] <thoreauputic_> Scuddie: that I don't know, sorry - you can go back and rerun the config if you have problems
[10:23] <Deafcon> alright, I'm boring here nothing is for me
[10:24] <quempion> Burgundavia: yeah i know, i install ssh-server. if i want to close ssh port, so, i must uninstall ssh-server ?
[10:24] <DrecoZA> Scuddie, if I remember correctly default is No or at least recommended as the safest option
[10:24] <thoreauputic_> Deafcon: slackware perhaps? :)
[10:24] <Burgundavia> quempion, you can set up iptables to block ssh
[10:24] <Scuddie> Actually, I think it's default to yes, as you are allowed to login as different users independantly.
[10:24] <quempion> Burgundavia: okay, thanks too much man
[10:24] <thoreauputic_> quempion: iptables, or firestarter (easier)
[10:24] <Scuddie> So yes it is.
[10:25] <liable> quempion: you can just stop the daemon if you want
[10:26] <Burgundavia> quempion, np
[10:26] <thoreauputic_> Scuddie: you don't need framebuffer for multiple X sessions, actually
[10:27] <quempion> liable: sorry for too much questions.. but, how to do that?
[10:27] <liable> quempion: /etc/init.d/sshd stop from the command line
[10:31] <Scuddie> OK, I've had my fun.
[10:31] <Scuddie> Now to see if I configured it right.
[10:31] <quempion> liable: thanks :))
[10:31] <gorthaug> wenas
[10:32] <Scuddie> So, I quit everything, hit ctrl+alt+backspace, then what do I command to get gnome back up?
[10:32] <liable> quempion: np
[10:32] <Burgundavia> Scuddie, it will restart gdm (gnome login manager) automatically
[10:32] <liable> Scuddie: will come back by itself if you have gdm
[10:32] <thoreauputic_> Scuddie: that should log you out and restart gdm
[10:32] <liable> Burgundavia: you win
[10:32] <Scuddie> That didn't happen the last time I did it.
[10:33] <Remenic> W: GPG error: http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com>
[10:33] <Scuddie> X just quit.
[10:33] <Remenic> what can I do about this?
[10:33] <Burgundavia> Scuddie, if the configuration file is hopped, it will not restart
[10:33] <Burgundavia> Remenic, check you time, and make certain it is correct first
[10:33] <Scuddie> ok, and if it doesn't, do I just type gdm then?
[10:34] <Remenic> Burgundavia: check. it's correct :) I even ntp updated it
[10:34] <Burgundavia> Remenic, hmm, no idea then
[10:34] <johnnybezak> hey guys anyone know a quick way to do a wordcount of a doc from the cli?
[10:34] <thoreauputic_> Scuddie: or type sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[10:35] <Scuddie> ok.  I'll see if that works.
[10:35] <thoreauputic_> Scuddie: or just startx, for that matter, but that should start gnome directly
[10:35] <Burgundavia> johnnybezak, 'cat doc | wc'
[10:35] <acidburn> hey people
[10:35] <thoreauputic_> johnnybezak: wc <filename>
[10:35] <Scuddie> Well, the last time I ran 'X' at console, I was just stuck there.  So the sudo option would seem better.
[10:36] <Shufla> huh... 1st ubuntu server done :D
[10:36] <Shufla> going to wash my mug :D
[10:36] <acidburn> what kind of server is it?
[10:36] <eaon> morning
[10:37] <thoreauputic_> Burgundavia: another redundant use of "cat" :)
[10:37] <acidburn> hmm, just to make sure..
[10:37] <acidburn> can anyone actually see me?
[10:37] <Burgundavia> thoreauputic_, I like cats
[10:37] <eaon> hmmm no #ubuntu-ppc :/
[10:37] <Dreamer3_> lol
[10:37] <Burgundavia> acidburn, yes, we see you
[10:37] <acidburn> ok, thanx
[10:37] <acidburn> lol
[10:37] <Burgundavia> eaon, norp, what is your question?
[10:38] <eaon> Burgundavia: how i can enable a right mouse click on a laptop that has only one mouse button ;)
[10:38] <Burgundavia> eaon, hmm
[10:38] <Burgundavia> eaon, there is a way to map a button to right-click
[10:38] <Burgundavia> eaon, but not owning a ppc, I canna tell ya
[10:39] <thoreauputic_> eaon: use F11 and F12
[10:39] <Shufla> huh. one thought. i've got imap. great. i've got folders in imap. sound great. but - only MUAs are sorting mail. how to do "clickable" by "server-side"? w/ or w/o procmail...
[10:39] <Scuddie> Well, that didn't work.
[10:39] <eaon> thanks - thoreauputic_, for the mapping?
[10:39] <Scuddie> Thanks for the help, though :)
[10:39] <thoreauputic_> eaon: it just works on my iBook
[10:40] <eaon> oh, ok
[10:40] <eaon> will try later :)
[10:40] <eaon> thanks
[10:40] <forsaker> 'morning people
[10:40] <thoreauputic_> eaon: play with that and the Fn key if needed ( I don't think it is)
[10:40] <eaon> will do :)
[10:40] <Shufla> acidburn: general prupose - web, email, gateway, some db, calendar.
[10:41] <acidburn> what u using for calender?
[10:41] <acidburn> hula?
[10:41] <Shufla> postfix+tls+maildir+imap[s] /pop3[s] (courier)+webmail(squirrel)
[10:41] <acidburn> or evolution..
[10:41] <Shufla> acidburn: squirrelmail calendar plugin ;P
[10:42] <acidburn> oh
[10:42] <acidburn> lol
[10:42] <liable> Scuddie: what happened
[10:42] <Shufla> acidburn: but i'm looking for something better. which could be used with Sunbird on server-side
[10:43] <Shufla> hm. maybe i write some hoary-multipurpose-server-HOWTO...
[10:43] <Shufla> if only my english isn't so bad :(
[10:43] <Scuddie> I'm still at 1024x768@70Hz
[10:44] <liable> Scuddie: is that refresh rate the best your monitor can do?
[10:45] <thoreauputic_> Scuddie: never used it and it looks scary, but have a look at xvidtune
[10:45] <megamind> when i open smb.conf file with sudo vim smb.conf ... it opens it for editing but i can not save changes that i have made ... how do i do that ?
[10:45] <Scuddie> it can do 75Hz at 1152x864
[10:45] <forsaker8k6> megamind: type :wq
[10:45] <Scuddie> xvidtune?  Why?
[10:45] <forsaker8k6> in the vim command line
[10:45] <Scuddie> I dont even have xvid installed.
[10:45] <megamind> like sudo vim smb.conf :wq ?
[10:46] <forsaker8k6> no i mean:
[10:46] <thoreauputic_> Scuddie: it appears to have options for tuning your display
[10:46] <forsaker8k6> open vim with sudo vim smb.conf
[10:46] <megamind> ok ... then
[10:46] <Scuddie> OK, I'll try that then.
[10:46] <forsaker8k6> press 'i' to enter edit mode and edit your file as you wish
[10:46] <thoreauputic_>  xvidtune - video mode tuner for XFree86
[10:46] <megamind> how do i save the work i have done ...
[10:46] <forsaker8k6> after you're finished editing
[10:46] <forsaker8k6> press escape
[10:46] <thoreauputic_> Scuddie: dunno if xorg has it
[10:46] <forsaker8k6> and them type :wq
[10:47] <megamind> oh ... let me try that plz ...
[10:47] <Scuddie> Oh...  X vid tune :D
[10:47] <forsaker8k6> that stands for "write and quit"
[10:47] <forsaker8k6> yep
[10:47] <megamind> oh ... ok ...
[10:48] <forsaker8k6> :)
[10:48] <cartman> is there a way to run 32 bit binaries on ubuntu amd64 ?
[10:49] <forsaker8k6> cartman: you have to install a package named linux32 or similiar
[10:49] <cartman> forsaker8k6: what about 3rd party binaries?
[10:49] <forsaker8k6> and then run in the command line linux32 <name of th program>
[10:49] <cartman> ah
[10:50] <cartman> ok
[10:51] <cartman> humpf doesn't work
[10:51] <forsaker8k6> oucch
[10:51] <forsaker8k6> what are you trying to run?
[10:51] <cartman> acroread
[10:51] <cartman> Acrobat7
[10:51] <Epsiliando> HI people!
[10:51] <Epsiliando> how are you??
[10:52] <acidburn> quick poll.. which IRC client is everyone using?
[10:52] <cartman> acidburn: konversation
[10:52] <forsaker8k6> acidburn: xchat
[10:52] <cartman> forsaker8k6: looks like I am gonna be free software only except java ;)
[10:52] <jubei> acidburn: konversation
[10:52] <DrecoZA> X-Chat
[10:52] <cartman> forsaker8k6: thanks for help
[10:52] <forsaker8k6> cartman: for java you can use blackdown jre
[10:52] <jubei> acidburn: use /client?
[10:52] <jacie> xchat
[10:52] <Scuddie> X-Chat; The best Linux has to offer...  apparently :\
[10:52] <cartman> forsaker8k6: yeah I know
[10:53] <cartman> Scuddie: check konversation ;)
[10:53] <jubei> or is it /version
[10:53] <jubei> yeah /version
[10:53] <cartman> laters
[10:54] <thoreauputic_> Scuddie: some hardcore people would say irssi-text is the best Linux has to offer ;-)
[10:54] <GuruFF> how can i set X fonts some application use ?
[10:54] <acidburn> seems XChat wins
[10:54] <acidburn> lol
[10:54] <jubei> How can I make k3b burn audio CDs from mp3s?
[10:54] <Scuddie> This is downright confusing.
[10:54] <Scuddie> What should I know about VSyncStart and VSyncEnd?
[10:55] <thoreauputic_> acidburn: well, your poll is skewed - xchat is the ubuntu default :)
[10:55] <acidburn> yea, true
[10:55] <acidburn> lol
[10:55] <forsaker8k6> lol
[10:56] <Scuddie> Funny how I can change the frequency, but not the resolution.  That is weird.
[10:56] <thoreauputic_> acidburn: on #slackware, admitting to using xchat would probably be heresy ;-)
[10:58] <thoreauputic_> Scuddie: some people have got higher resolution by changing from 24bit to 16bit, if you don't mind the lower number of colours: but don't ask me how it's done
[10:58] <forsaker8k6> wow: adobe released acrobat 7 4 linux... amazing
[10:58] <UsefulIdiot> ages ago, forsaker8k6 :P
[10:58] <forsaker8k6> i'm not so up to date ;)
[10:59] <holycow> forsaker8k6, it's not so amazing
[10:59] <holycow> first its fast sure
[10:59] <holycow> but it's still butt ugly
[10:59] <thoreauputic_> UsefulIdiot: heh - ages as in weeks ;)
[10:59] <UsefulIdiot> maybe photoshop's next :)
[10:59] <forsaker8k6> yes... xpdf still rocks
[10:59] <holycow> i don't know what toolkit they used, it looks like they used gtk .001 to code it in
[10:59] <holycow> secondly it doesn't even use native dialogs
[10:59] <holycow> thirdly it has a fucking ad banner
[10:59] <UsefulIdiot> well the linux world moves fast, thoreauputic_ :)
[11:00] <thoreauputic_> UsefulIdiot: yes, I noticed that :)
[11:00] <acidburn> there needs to be a high quality open source PDF reader
[11:00] <acidburn> that would be great
[11:00] <holycow> fourth it took them forever to release it, they don't give a crap about linux, company is now run by mba's that only care about their lear jets, they have no passion for technology
[11:00] <holycow> acidburn, there is
[11:00] <Sionide> don't pdf's open in openoffice ??
[11:00] <forsaker8k6> Sionide: nope
[11:00] <UsefulIdiot> I used to like gpdf, haven't used it in yonks now
[11:00] <acidburn> no, openoffice only exports
[11:00] <holycow> no
[11:00] <Sionide> seeing as you can save to pdf
[11:00] <UsefulIdiot> xpdf with a nicer interface
[11:00] <holycow> oo.o exports then
[11:00] <Sionide> hm that's weird
[11:01] <acidburn> yea
[11:01] <holycow> shit what is that great pdf viewer ... lemme get the name for ya
[11:01] <thoreauputic_> acidburn: evince is new
[11:01] <holycow> evince
[11:01] <holycow> its beautiful
[11:01] <holycow> it selects text, and has a search feature
[11:01] <forsaker8k6> evince... never heard about
[11:01] <holycow> super fast, starts instantly
[11:01] <Scuddie> Oh well, I suppose I dont need 1152 resolution.  I'll just set the DPI to 80
[11:01] <forsaker8k6> what select tests??? it will be mine: now
[11:01] <holycow> and itdoesn't support pdf forms which i love, pdf is not a goddamned databse
[11:02] <thoreauputic_> you can actually open pdf in koffice, too
[11:02] <acidburn> yea, i've never heard about evince either
[11:02] <acidburn> seraching now...
[11:02] <acidburn> ;)
[11:02] <forsaker8k6> installed ;)
[11:02] <acidburn> lol
[11:03] <acidburn> i love synaptic
[11:03] <acidburn> quick and easy
[11:03] <forsaker8k6> i love apt :D
[11:03] <IIIEars> "" synaptic is great
[11:03] <acidburn> well, same thing
[11:03] <UsefulIdiot> quick? pfft.. faster using apt-get
[11:03] <acidburn> yea
[11:03] <forsaker8k6> yep
[11:03] <acidburn> no GUI to handle
[11:04] <forsaker8k6> mm.. about evince: it doesn't seem to be so different to gpdf or similiars
[11:04] <forsaker8k6> and most of all: i continue not being able to selct text
[11:05] <acidburn> well, evince is certainly faster then [k, g, x] pdf
[11:05] <forsaker8k6> mmm.. maybe.. but... but... i DO need a client that lets me select text
[11:06] <acidburn> maybe i'll right one
[11:06] <acidburn> ;)
[11:06] <acidburn> j/k
[11:06] <UsefulIdiot> *write
[11:06] <acidburn> oops
[11:06] <UsefulIdiot> ;)
[11:06] <xukun> which package do I need to install to spell check thunderbird?
[11:06] <forsaker8k6> asd
[11:06] <Burgundavia> forsaker8k6, evince is built on a new framework for pdf, one that uses a common backend for it and kpdf
[11:06] <xukun> dutch is the language I need
[11:07] <johnnybe1ak> hey guys anyone know a quick way to do a wordcount of a doc from the cli?
[11:07] <thoreauputic_> acidburn: an example of right being wrong!
[11:07] <forsaker8k6> Burgundavia: mmm.. i see
[11:07] <acidburn> lol
[11:07] <UsefulIdiot> from a doc? why are you using doc?
[11:07] <Burgundavia> forsaker8k6, the backend is called libpoppler, it is a freedesktop.org project
[11:07] <thoreauputic_> johnnybe1ak: 2 people already gave you an answer
[11:08] <acidburn> a friend of mine named a computer of his down
[11:08] <acidburn> so he could say down is up today
[11:08] <forsaker8k6> yes i noticed apt installed it before evince
[11:08] <acidburn> lol
[11:08] <Burgundavia> johnnybe1ak, 'wc doc'
[11:08] <thoreauputic_> johnnybe1ak: man wc
[11:08] <megamind> how do start and stop the samba server services ?
[11:08] <UsefulIdiot> oh, a plain text file..
[11:08] <johnnybe1ak> thoreauputic_: sorry man for some reason irssi died on me i couldnt see any answers
[11:09] <thoreauputic_> ah I see
[11:09] <Burgundavia> megamind, /etc/init.d/smb {start|stop|restart}
[11:09] <thoreauputic_> ;)
[11:09] <johnnybe1ak> :)
[11:09] <megamind> thanks a lot ... let me try
[11:09] <acidburn> is there a GUI interface for configing samba printers?
[11:10] <johnnybe1ak> i'm just trying to do all of my document creation w/out using a word processor
[11:10] <johnnybe1ak> thanks for your help guys
[11:10] <Scuddie> Hrmmm...
[11:10] <acidburn> i guess i could edit the config file..
[11:10] <Scuddie> I wonder, what would be a good way to re-map OSS to ESD
[11:11] <forsaker8k6> well, it's time to go back to my studies: c u people!
[11:11] <Scuddie> Since apparently ubuntu doesn't like anything but ESD
[11:11] <thoreauputic_> Scuddie: gnome-sound-properties perhaps
[11:12] <acidburn> who's installed 5.04 final yet?
[11:12] <acidburn> besides me ;)
[11:12] <Remenic> me
[11:12] <thoreauputic_> acidburn: just about everyone except me :)
[11:13] <acidburn> lol
[11:13] <Scuddie> gnome-sound-properties doesn't really do anything :\
[11:13] <ikama> Does anybody have also probs to install mplayer
[11:13] <thoreauputic_> Scuddie: true, I just looked and I agree :(
[11:13] <Remenic> Scuddie: having problems with alsa?
[11:13] <ikama> The rep is not ok in nerim?
[11:14] <megamind> /etc/init.d/smb not working man ...  :(
[11:14] <megamind> ??
[11:14] <Scuddie> Alsa doesn't like me, OSS reports everything as being busy, and ESD gives me everything I will ever need.
[11:14] <ikama> What repo do you use for mlplayer
[11:14] <xukun> I dont have the correct language if I want to spell check i thurnderbird
[11:14] <thoreauputic_> ikama: I think mplayer is in multiverse for hoary now
[11:14] <acidburn> megamind: type ps -e, find the samba process, and kill it
[11:14] <acidburn> j/k
[11:14] <Kal_Zakath> hi
[11:14] <Scuddie> Also, I don't know how to use Alsa.
[11:15] <megamind> and then how do i start the process again ??
[11:15] <acidburn> lol, i was kidding
[11:15] <Kal_Zakath> does anybody know when there will be a security update for firefox ? 9 vulnerabilties have been discovered 2 days ago
[11:15] <acidburn> i've never had the problem
[11:15] <Burgundavia> Kal_Zakath, should be soon
[11:15] <megamind> in etc/init.d/ there is  a green file with name samba
[11:16] <Burgundavia> megamind, that would be it
[11:16] <thoreauputic_> megamind: try hitting tab after /etc/init.d/sam   and see if it completes to smbd or something (I don't use samba)
[11:16] <megamind> now if i m in the folder etc/init.d/
[11:16] <acidburn> you could uninstall/reinstall whenever you need/don't need it
[11:16] <megamind> do i need to write samba start ... ?
[11:16] <Kal_Zakath> Burgundavia: that's really urgent, firefox update is avariable since 2 days too at mozilla
[11:16] <acidburn> bu that might be to inconvienient
[11:16] <acidburn> if you need to turn it on/off a lot
[11:16] <Burgundavia> megamind, best to still run the full path
[11:16] <thoreauputic_> possibly - try it
[11:17] <\sh> ok...debootstraping ubuntu on gentoo
[11:17] <Burgundavia> Kal_Zakath, it will come when it will come
[11:17] <Kal_Zakath> huh
[11:17] <Kal_Zakath> that something essantial
[11:17] <\sh> after playing around with debian version, i had to replace it with the ubuntu version of debootstrap
[11:17] <Kal_Zakath> well, I hope it'll come in a few hour
[11:17] <Scuddie> So who wants to help me figure out how alsa works?
[11:18] <thoreauputic_> Kal_Zakath: you are confusing security patches of existing versions with new versions, perhaps
[11:18] <acidburn> Kal_Zakath: it has a few security fixes
[11:18] <acidburn> 9 i think
[11:18] <megamind> ok thanks i successfully started and stopped the samba ...
[11:18] <acidburn> yea, 9
[11:18] <megamind> so nice of u
[11:18] <acidburn> but they aren't to major
[11:19] <krrh> When I try to enter my networking information via iwconfig, the essid, key, etc doesn't "stick." I type "iwconfig," and it reports no essid, etc. Anyone know why this might be?
[11:19] <Kal_Zakath> thoreauputic_: well, There is 9 security flaws that have been discovered 2 days ago, with the 9, 3 are criticals
[11:19] <Kal_Zakath> so I think it maybe deserve a security update :/
[11:19] <thoreauputic_> Kal_Zakath: yeah, I know
[11:19] <zzyber> can someone tell me how to read eml files in linux. I have a couple of emails saved from windows and the format is .eml Evolution cant import them so im stuck, read something about kmail but hopfully there is a simplier solution
[11:20] <krrh> Are the iwconfig-entered variables supposed to be stored somewhere other than /etc/network/interfaces?
[11:20] <Scuddie> cant aint nobody wont?
[11:20] <Seveas> krrh, they aren't stored, only in memory
[11:21] <krrh> Ahh. And does this information override what might be entered in /etc/network/interfaces?
[11:21] <Seveas> krrh, i think so
[11:21] <Scuddie> errr...  I mean how do I route external calls to OSS to ESD?
[11:22] <Scuddie> And how is alsa involved?
[11:22] <acidburn> has anyone seen the new firefox ad/poster?
[11:22] <krrh> Thanks.
[11:22] <acidburn> always use protection..
[11:22] <holycow> ... use ubuntu
[11:22] <holycow> hey that could be a pretty darn good slogan
[11:22] <holycow> :)
[11:22] <acidburn> lol
[11:23] <acidburn> the firefox ad is good though. lemme get the link..
[11:23] <acidburn> *rummages*
[11:23] <thoreauputic_> Scuddie: alsa seems pretty arcane - if crimsun was here he could help you, but he's probably asleep
[11:23] <holycow> *shuffle* *shuffle*
[11:23] <Burgundavia> http://www.factorycity.net/sfx/always_use_protection.jpg
[11:23] <holycow> oh hey, i installed an amd64 system (winxp, ew i know) for someone over the weekend....
[11:23] <acidburn> yea
[11:23] <acidburn> lol
[11:23] <holycow> openoffice 1.3 just bloody rocks on that
[11:24] <Scuddie> All I want to do is play FS2Open, but I can't because OSS is always busy :(
[11:24] <holycow> believe it or not it actually starts reasonable, and works great :) hehe
[11:24] <zoppy> Hi
[11:24] <Scuddie> No.
[11:24] <zoppy> I have installed last ubuntu
[11:24] <IIIEars> winxp? - only took one weekend to install setup + apps and harden? - lol i'll bet you aren't finished yet.
[11:25] <megamind> i have configured the samba .... but when i open it in windows .. it asks for user name ...
[11:25] <holycow> IIIEars, hahaha, funny you say that
[11:25] <holycow> i got a call today
[11:25] <zoppy> but when I boot it stops about 2 minutes at Starting Ubuntu ....
[11:25] <holycow> and i expect more calls over the week
[11:25] <megamind> i give out the user  but it do not accepts ?
[11:25] <megamind> i have configured the samba .... but when i open it in windows .. it asks for user name ...
[11:25] <megamind> i give out the user  but it do not accepts ?
[11:25] <holycow> no actually, to install xp is a mofo load of work, funny IIIEars :)
[11:25] <zoppy> I have run in recovery mode and I see dma error
[11:25] <holycow> IIIEars, every xp user has their own 'personal mix' of spyware they want on there
[11:25] <zoppy> how to disable DMA when I boot with grub ?
[11:26] <holycow> this idiot wanted limewire installed and working *sigh* and some other crap he has no clue how to use but 'must have'
[11:26] <holycow> idiots
[11:26] <megamind> i have configured the samba .... but when i open it in windows .. it asks for user name ...
[11:26] <megamind> i give out the user  but it do not accepts ?
[11:26] <Scuddie> Oh well...
[11:27] <thoreauputic_> megamind: that's 3 times in 2 minutes - do you think we can't read?
[11:27] <megamind> sorry ...
[11:27] <prego> megamind, afaik, samba and linux require different password mechanisms. Try using something like smbpasswd to setup user password in the samba side
[11:27] <megamind> why do u get so angry ...
[11:27] <IIIEars> i have new respect for linux after opening a folder filled with junk i got p2p on windows - there were quite a few *surprise* additions that windows never sees. - wide grin
[11:27] <thoreauputic_> megamind: repeating won't help if no one has an answer
[11:27] <megamind> oh ... OK .. thanks ...
[11:28] <IIIEars> what is the point of alternate data streams in windows?
[11:28] <Scuddie> Uh oh...
[11:29] <Scuddie> I just lost my mouse.
[11:29] <prego> I've been installing ubuntu to a friend of mine, and after a rather sucessful installation I have a couple of concerns. First of all, he uses DSL provider with dynamic ip address... and I want to perform admin tasks remotely. How can I manage to know which is his IP?
[11:29] <Scuddie> And I'm stuck in 640x480 mode.
[11:29] <IIIEars> a free dynamic dns service there are several
[11:29] <zoppy> any idea ?
[11:29] <holycow> IIIEars, rofl
[11:29] <thoreauputic_> prego: ez-ipupdate and visit dyndns.org
[11:30] <Scuddie> Perhaps launching FS2Open was a bad idea.
[11:30] <prego> thoreauputic_, thanks very much
[11:30] <IIIEars> install a dynamic dns client
[11:30] <megamind> yes ... free dynamic dns like www.deerfield.com ... and www.no-ip.com
[11:30] <thoreauputic_> prego: no worries :)
[11:30] <Scuddie> crud, I blew it.
[11:31] <prego> My second concern is that he is using a usb modem, that works with eagle-usb-* packages... however I've not managed to make it work at boot up... anyone with a similar modem has succeeded here around?
[11:31] <Scuddie> Let's try this again.
[11:31] <prego> I can make the thing work after some sudo commands, but I wish to leave it working without user interation. He is a real newbie afterall
[11:33] <IIIEars> a pci network interface card isnt very expensive most DSL modems support ethernet cat5 cables
[11:33] <thoreauputic_> prego: can you write a little script and link it to a pretty icon on his desktop?
[11:33] <holycow> IIIEars, infact less expensive than usb cables per foot
[11:33] <thoreauputic_> prego: then he can just click to go on line
[11:33] <prego> thoreauputic_, more or less is what I've done. However it requires sudo ...
[11:33] <holycow> plus cat5 has a 300m range, usb has 12 feet or something stupid like that
[11:34] <prego> thoreauputic_, is there a way I can prompt for sudo password via GTK dialog or something?
[11:34] <IIIEars> DSL ANTs are a pain they are forever reclaiming IP addresses forcing a reset.
[11:34] <thoreauputic_> prego: use gksudo as a password dialog
[11:34] <\sh> right...i have my base system
[11:34] <holycow> its retarded to use usb modems in other workds
[11:34] <prego> thoreauputic_, OK, I'll check those posibilities, thanks again ;-))))
[11:35] <prego> thoreauputic_, I would invite you an expresso coffe ;-)
[11:35] <IIIEars> Selinux in the next Ubuntu release?
[11:35] <thoreauputic_> prego: I love espresso coffee :)
[11:35] <Huey> does anyone know which package contains the 'gnome-config' command?
[11:36] <Burgundavia> Huey, doesn't exist on my machine
[11:36] <Huey> Burgundavia: it doesn't exist on my machine either. that's the problem.
[11:36] <Huey> Burgundavia: i want to know what i should install in order to get that command
[11:37] <Burgundavia> Huey, what are you trying to do?
[11:37] <Huey> because a tutorial on writing gnome-panel applets requires it
[11:37] <Burgundavia> ahh
[11:37] <Burgundavia> prob. a -dev package
[11:38] <IIIEars> Oops. (preparing to be flamed or ignored or both) - can i add a "search" function to a window title bar? (cowers in fear)
[11:38] <\sh> guys...linux-headers-2.6.10-5-k7 is it for athlon-xps?
[11:38] <acidburn> *ignores IIIEars*
[11:38] <acidburn> ;)
[11:38] <thoreauputic_> IIIEars: be afraid! be very afraid!
[11:38] <IIIEars> hehe
[11:39] <holycow> lol thoreauputic_
[11:39] <holycow> don't give em a bad rap, its just like 4 idiots in that channel :) hehe
[11:40] <IIIEars> (clutches his furry kitty tightly and begins to pray quietly)
[11:40] <holycow> all 4 were clearly dropped on their heads
[11:40] <IIIEars> lol
[11:40] <mischa> does anyone know how to load the firmware of my pris54g wireless pcmcia card....
[11:40] <holycow> mischa, yes
[11:40] <mischa> aha
[11:40] <holycow> www.prims54.org
[11:40] <holycow> download from dl section
[11:41] <holycow> put in the place they tell you to
[11:41] <holycow> rename file to right extension
[11:41] <UsefulIdiot> How good is the ppc support? any problems on powerbooks?
[11:41] <holycow> iwconfig eth0 up or something like that
[11:41] <holycow> done
[11:41] <UsefulIdiot> for ubuntu, I mean
[11:41] <holycow> UsefulIdiot, i don't see anyone complaining in here, i remember a few saying 'yay works out of the box' sorta thing
[11:41] <mischa> holycow:tanx
[11:41] <holycow> check ubuntu.com
[11:41] <holycow> mischa, no worries
[11:42] <holycow> UsefulIdiot, errr... check bugtraker on ubuntu site rather
[11:42] <Burgundavia> UsefulIdiot, from what I understand, things taht work generally in linux will work on Ubuntu
[11:42] <UsefulIdiot> Does wireless networking work?
[11:43] <prego> thoreauputic_, my friend is really impressed right now. He'll be much happier soon ;-)
[11:43] <UsefulIdiot> and does it duel boot properly, or overwrite os x ?
[11:43] <thoreauputic_> UsefulIdiot: no support for airport extreme or internal modem
[11:43] <holycow> apple is not exactly open source friendly
[11:43] <holycow> they love it when they can 'take'
[11:43] <Burgundavia> holycow, apple is sort of open source friendly
[11:43] <holycow> they don't have any particular fascination with 'ethics' and 'reciprocity'
[11:44] <Burgundavia> holycow, they do pay money for darwin development
[11:44] <holycow> lol Burgundavia one way only
[11:44] <acidburn> (_)8(_)|\|7(_) |2(_)|_~/_ 4|_|_ [)157|20~/_
[11:44] <thoreauputic_> UsefulIdiot: everything else works fine on my iBook G4 (oh, sleep is a problem too)
[11:44] <holycow> i have yet to see somethign as trivial as quicktime on linux
[11:44] <holycow> or bsd even
[11:44] <Burgundavia> holycow, there are different levels of support. They do support some stuff but not the desktop stuff
[11:44] <holycow> and if there was, you could bet it would be 12 months behind the 'mac' version
[11:45] <thoreauputic_> holycow: funnily enough, vlc works better than quicktime on OS-X
[11:45] <holycow> Burgundavia, really? heh, i just don't see much beyond khtml stuff, okay darwin stuff sure
[11:45] <acidburn> what do you think is the greatest thing blocking Linux from taking over the desktop?
[11:45] <acidburn> its certainly better then windows..
[11:45] <Burgundavia> holycow, apple does stuff behind the scenese
[11:45] <holycow> thoreauputic_, didn't know :) been meaning to to buy a mac mini just so that i get some experience
[11:45] <Arago> Is possible use hoary live cd to test hibernation/resume <'
[11:46] <IIIEars> hardware and directx?
[11:46] <johnnybe1ak> driver support
[11:46] <holycow> Burgundavia, really? okay good to hear, they need to advertise it more
[11:46] <acidburn> Arago: yes, i've done it
[11:46] <Burgundavia> holycow, hmm, had a talk from terrasoft at my lug the other day
[11:46] <holycow> Burgundavia, yeah?
[11:46] <Arago> acidburn, how ?
[11:46] <thoreauputic_> holycow: when I'm feeling evil, I run Windows Medi Player for Mac in Mac-on-Linux, on Ubuntu, and laugh maniacally :)
[11:46] <Burgundavia> holycow, twas interesting
[11:47] <holycow> Burgundavia, i don't want them to share 'their stuff'
[11:47] <Burgundavia> holycow, IBM is also doing a lot regarding power
[11:47] <NixerX> acidburn that greatest problem linux faces in taking over the desktop is people who won't give up windows.
[11:47] <holycow> i think that there are some naturaly co-operation points
[11:47] <acidburn> lol
[11:47] <holycow> quicktime is one just for the hell of it,
[11:47] <holycow> pouting some cash into open office port would be another
[11:47] <prego> Can I place system-wide gnome themes at /usr/local/... or do they need to be at /usr/share/...?
[11:47] <holycow> Burgundavia, ibm is on my good list these days :) i'm pleasantly surprised how they 'get it'
[11:48] <Burgundavia> holycow, openoffice is not in their financial best interest, but this talk is not really relevant to #ubuntu
[11:48] <holycow> when asked to comment on sco bashing the open source / libre communities, they basically said, 'we don't need to say anything, they can handle them selves'
[11:48] <holycow> that level of understanding is most impressive
[11:48] <IIIEars> nah  Ubuntu convinced me there is no need for windows on the 'net (hardware recognized first time) - only directx gaming keeps me from pitching windows entirely
[11:48] <holycow> Burgundavia, true, but oo.o really is in their self interest, oo ads huge value immediately
[11:49] <thoreauputic_> prego: /usr/share I'd say
[11:49] <holycow> for infact miniscule dev costs to them
[11:49] <Arago> acidburn, how make live hibernation working ( or try it ?). Or show me a link for it
[11:49] <holycow> they can offer it FREE, and tell everyone their macs COME WITH a full office suite for free
[11:49] <thoreauputic_> prego: that's where they seem to live...
[11:49] <holycow> thats huge
[11:49] <acidburn> i don't have a link
[11:49] <acidburn> i just tried it, and it worked
[11:49] <acidburn> lol
[11:49] <Arago> uhm ok
[11:50] <prego> thoreauputic_, yes, but I would rather place at /usr/local/share... the ones I download as tar.gz ... not to forget they don't come from a deb file
[11:50] <Burgundavia> holycow, but they want to sell words and appleworks
[11:50] <holycow> Burgundavia, perhaps i should focus my opinions more to productive 'pro co-operative' activites, i'd love to see what they have to say
[11:50] <holycow> Burgundavia, well thats just stupid, thats a lot of dev costs, lots.
[11:50] <thoreauputic_> prego: up to you - you might need to link them to make them system wide
[11:50] <holycow> they make little money on software, they are a hardware co
[11:50] <acidburn> i think that gaming is a reason for the more tech-literate people to not switch to windows. they want to, but it doesn't support the major games
[11:51] <Burgundavia> holycow, I am not saying that apple is a complete friend of OSS, but they are not the enemy that MS is
[11:51] <holycow> even tho i hear very good things about appleworks
[11:51] <acidburn> if game developers started programming for linux..
[11:51] <holycow> Burgundavia, oh i agree very very much with you there *nod*
[11:51] <holycow> acidburn, in due time, it will come
[11:51] <acidburn> yea, eventually
[11:51] <thoreauputic_> prego: if there's only a small number of users, ~/.themes works fine
[11:51] <holycow> acidburn, i cen see the potential starting to build slowly
[11:51] <prego> thoreauputic_, that is a good idea! so the fact of coming from tar.gz is retained somehow :-)
[11:52] <holycow> acidburn, it's okay, we don't necessarily want all the ms crowd to come here simultaneously
[11:52] <acidburn> Planeshift looks ok, but development is slow
[11:52] <IIIEars> true enough - the unreal series is huge and it has linux support in each box.
[11:52] <thoreauputic_> hmm... that might not be the right dir though... hang on
[11:52] <queuetue> Has anyone gotten dual-head working with a PCIE NVidia card?
[11:52] <holycow> acidburn, i think we need a free 'educational' infrastructure to let people 'fit into the open source clothes' intelligently, they all neeed (and even want but don't know where to get) proper training
[11:53] <prego> thoreauputic_, works, as expected ;-)
[11:53] <liable> holycow: we have it, its called google :)
[11:53] <holycow> queuetue, i have once, but i'm only saying that to encourage you that it can be done :) i just can't offer any usefull help on it
[11:53] <thoreauputic_> prego: yup, .themes is right :)
[11:53] <IIIEars> holycow - training? bah they don't want training they want working hardware and thier favorite apps
[11:54] <holycow> queuetue, basically you need a 'good' xfree config file and change the pci addresses of your cards
[11:54] <fuoco> anyone knows what gcc is used to compile ubuntu?
[11:54] <acidburn> i think some company thats small right now or doesn't even exist yet is going to surpass google
[11:54] <CellarDoor> hello room... can anyone help me with adding marillat repositories - I'm a bit new with this (former Mdk user :P)
[11:54] <IIIEars> not having a difficult install is half the battle.
[11:54] <acidburn> just like google surpassed yahoo, etc
[11:54] <prego> thoreauputic_, I've placed it at /usr/local/share/themes/Clearlooks-Bluecurve and linked it to /usr/share/themes/. so it works for every user, and I can see that it is set by hand since the actual location is /usr/local/...
[11:54] <holycow> queuetue, all the xfree config files i found online tho are highly hacked, and don't look anything like the ones in debian/ubuntu, so it's hard to kinda work them backwards, into something that you can read, but ...
[11:55] <thoreauputic_> prego: fair enough :)
[11:55] <holycow> liable, lol, true, it would be faster with a website that has say, firefox tutorials, open offce tutorials, basic system operation - ubuntu, basic security, basic network (just show them how the gui info relates say to a visual diagram), stuff like that
[11:56] <holycow> liable, but you are right, if they can't figure it out through google, maybe it is a lost cause
[11:56] <holycow> IIIEars, and favourite spyware, lol
[11:56] <IIIEars> hehe - maybe.. - grin
[11:56] <holycow> IIIEars, it's funny how, "persistence of belief" plays in human behaviour, my self also
[11:56] <holycow> once they buy into an idea, you'll have a hell of a time changing them
[11:57] <holycow> maybe we should focus on appealing to kids
[11:57] <acidburn> if open source got more entrenched in governmental and educational institutions, it would be a good start
[11:57] <CellarDoor> I'm supposed to find the marillat section in my sources list but there wasn't one... I tried adding it but still no marillat, can anyone help ?
[11:57] <thoreauputic_> CellarDoor: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats  << section on Marillat repos there
[11:57] <acidburn> of course, thats already happpening
[11:57] <IIIEars> aw geez you said the "S" word - spend at least 2 hours everyother week reinstalling some windows app that has been corrupted. -
[11:57] <thoreauputic_> CellarDoor: see above
[11:57] <holycow> acidburn, *nod* yes, i'm switching our company to debian/ubuntu
[11:58] <CellarDoor> np thanks looking
[11:58] <holycow> windows is just too much to keep working
[11:58] <holycow> little by litte, just need to keep in mind that it's not a race, it makes no difference if anyone uses linux or not, debian/ubuntu and the like are here forever
[11:58] <acidburn> i actually run a tech company with my cousin..
[11:58] <acidburn> pretty small now..
[11:58] <acidburn> but anyway..
[11:58] <mischa> holycow: done all instuctions...but still he doesn't load the firmware....any clues...
[11:59] <acidburn> we've switched over to ubuntu
[11:59] <acidburn> on the desktop
[11:59] <IIIEars> and the restore feature is useless - coopted by virii on first contact with the 'net. - i was thrilled when a friend told me about disk imaging.
[11:59] <holycow> lsmod doesn't show your module?
[11:59] <acidburn> we had SuSE on there, but i never really liked it
[11:59] <holycow> modprobe whatever54 returns what error?
[11:59] <mischa> holycow: he does load the prism driver, just not the firmware...
[11:59] <holycow> acidburn, lol i ran suse for 2 years, rpm hell, my god i'm never touching that again
[12:00] <prego> acidburn, I like SuSE, but Ubuntu feels faster
[12:00] <holycow> mischa, what error message?
[12:00] <mischa> holycow: prism loads with no errors
[12:00] <acidburn> i don't like any commercial distros, and not just because they are commercial
[12:00] <holycow> mischa, did you rename it to the RIGHT name?
[12:00] <holycow> i made that mistake at first too
[12:00] <holycow> acidburn, exactly, has nothin to do with being commercial, just the result they end up with
[12:01] <mischa> holycow: pci.agent[23298] :      prism54: loaded successfully
[12:01] <acidburn> yep
[12:01] <mischa> holycow:/usr/lib/hotplug/firmware/isl3890
[12:01] <queuetue> holycow, I'm movng a good dual-head xorg.cong to this system - what are the orper PCI settngs? (I tries PCI:5:0:0 and PCI:5:0:1 - no go.)
[12:01] <holycow> mischa, tripple check the name of the driver, make sure its renamed to the right name
[12:01] <mischa> holycow:ok
[12:02] <acidburn> its ok for a company to sponsor a distro, a.k.a Canonical. but when they start to customize it this way and that way, etc etc
[12:02] <mischa> holycow:it is the right name
[12:02] <prego> acidburn, I've only used commercial distros until now... well at the very beginning I used slackware, then RH4.1, ... to RH9, SuSE 9.1 and now I feel hapier with ubuntu.
[12:02] <holycow> queuetue, i cannot remember how to get those apps, i ran some kind of command that got me back some kind of address i had to convert to the correct setings up there ... unfortunately that part you will haveto google
[12:02] <holycow> mischa, so how do you know they aren't loaded then? your message says nothing about not loading firmware
[12:03] <holycow> mischa, if i remember correctly, the error message i got at first was 'firmware not found' or something like that... when the message dissapears firmware is being loaded and you get the message you posted
[12:03] <IIIEars> Ubuntu is terrific
[12:03] <acidburn> Ubuntu is perfect for the desktop..
[12:04] <holycow> IIIEars, give some thx to gnome2.10, there are huge usability features in there as well
[12:04] <acidburn> being based on Debian is a good "feature" as well
[12:04] <holycow> the places dialog is brilliant imho
[12:04] <holycow> *nod* yeah, my main reason for using it infact
[12:04] <acidburn> its already top at distrowatch, and Kubuntu is 30th already
[12:04] <Myrtti> hmmm
[12:05] <IIIEars> Free BSD was my last try at linux spent nearly a week before all of my hardware worked.
[12:05] <Myrtti> should there have been new updates to hoary since it's release?
[12:05] <mischa> holycow: :) nice one, but when i give the card to friend and he puts it in and it say....io kernel: eth2: uploading firmware...
[12:05] <holycow> acidburn, just goes to show how much 'demand' there is for a debian time based desktop ... despite varioius ornery dd's opinion to the contrary
[12:05] <Myrtti> I'm wondering if my repositories listings are ok
[12:05] <mischa> holycow: but that is a mandrake machine....:)
[12:05] <IIIEars> anxiously awaiting Ubuntu selinux
[12:05] <thoreauputic_> IIIEars: the BSD guys won't thank you for calling it Linux :)
[12:06] <mischa> holycow: so how do i know it is or isn't loaded :)
[12:06] <queuetue> Myrtti, I have the same feeling.
[12:06] <thoreauputic_> *BSD != Linux
[12:06] <holycow> mischa, well this is ubuntu so ... :) tell him to install ubuntu, my mandrake experience was nothing but endless broken stuff
[12:06] <acidburn> how long do you think it'll take until there are only a few more ditros, and what will they be?
[12:06] <acidburn> distros*
[12:06] <acidburn> well, desktop distros
[12:06] <holycow> mischa, on unix like systems the philosophy if is 'if everything works okay, don't say anything, if something goes wrong throw an error'
[12:06] <IIIEars> honestly i understand the berkley os isn't linus's work. Ubuntu just works what else matters?
[12:06] <acidburn> specialty doesn't count
[12:07] <thoreauputic_> acidburn:  Xubuntu maybe (xfce) ?
[12:07] <acidburn> lol
[12:07] <holycow> mischa, it keeps things nice and clean, verbosity is only necessary when your solving problems, and really thats why you have logs
[12:07] <acidburn> Ubuntux
[12:07] <holycow> IIIEars, well philosophy matters imho
[12:07] <Myrtti> queuetue: especially I'm wondering should there be an update for Firefox as it has a security hole
[12:07] <acidburn> Ubuntu for desktop, Debian/Red Hat for server
[12:08] <mischa> holycow: he has got ubuntu at home...
[12:08] <acidburn> hopefully Debian ;)
[12:08] <holycow> IIIEars, life isn't about walking around like a retard and 'buying happiness' it's actually thinking about things :)
[12:08] <holycow> mischa, well if the card works for you, then it works on ALL linux
[12:08] <holycow> mischa, infact the same prism instructions will work on mandrake, suse, redhat, etc.
[12:09] <holycow> he has to make sure to use the right version of course, double check mandrake forums for any weird issues (library incompatabilities, etc.)
[12:09] <IIIEars> (uhoh in trouble again) i am sorry.
[12:09] <holycow> mischa, no different than say finding the right windows software
[12:09] <mischa> holycow: ok, tanx for the advice...
[12:10] <IIIEars> If it catches mice it doesn't matter what color the cat is...
[12:10] <mischa> holycow: i am using 'NetApplet 0.98.0' to switch between networks
[12:10] <holycow> no worries :) i'm a little over energized for some reason now
[12:10] <holycow> heh
[12:10] <CellarDoor> > Merge the archive key for debian-marillat into your default user's keyring. If successful, the gpg process will report 'key 1F41B907: public key...
[12:10] <CellarDoor> oh poop
[12:10] <CellarDoor> sorry
[12:10] <IIIEars> thanks i'll need a spare. - grin
[12:10] <Cym> has anyone setup a postfix relay to gmail using tls?
[12:11] <CellarDoor> thanks thoreauputic_ I seem to be making progress, but I don't understand the bit about merging the archive key so I don't get errors
[12:11] <thoreauputic_> :)
[12:11] <thoreauputic_> CellarDoor: hmm - it isn't really needed if you don't mind the warnings
[12:11] <Cym> i got it working, but i want to fix this cert validation error
[12:11] <acidburn> does anyone know how to setup a quota for postfix?
[12:11] <CellarDoor> yeh It would be nice to get rid of em
[12:12] <Cym> certificate verification failed for gmail-smtp.l.google.com: num=20:unable to get local issuer certificate
[12:12] <Cym> certificate verification failed for gmail-smtp.l.google.com: num=27:certificate not trusted
[12:12] <Cym> certificate verification failed for gmail-smtp.l.google.com: num=21:unable to verify the first certificate
[12:12] <duken_> helo
[12:12] <acidburn> or a link explaining it
[12:12] <Cym> any way to fix that without having to create a tunnel and connect to 465?
[12:13] <mischa> holycow: i am using NetApplet 0.98.0 , ill remove that tool and try it by hand first...
[12:13] <Cym> does that error have anything to do with not having the right cert in /etc/ssl/certs ?
[12:13] <holycow> mischa, i've yet to find a wireless switcher i like, but i don't have a lot of wireless experience the lappy sits mostly in its case
[12:15] <mischa> holycow:aha...batteries are dead....mine to, after two year i have 15mins on two batteries :)
[12:15] <holycow> lol 'xactly' :)
[12:15] <holycow> i don't see the point of laptops frankly
[12:15] <holycow> i never work on the beach
[12:15] <mischa> lol
[12:15] <holycow> if i did i would be the only retard there doing so
[12:15] <IIIEars> lol
[12:15] <mischa> lol
[12:16] <acidburn> my company's working on a Linux laptop
[12:16] <acidburn> should be cool when its done, lol
[12:16] <UsefulIdiot> which company is that?
[12:16] <acidburn> well, its not incorporated yet
[12:16] <acidburn> *embarrased*
[12:16] <acidburn> lol
[12:16] <UsefulIdiot> fair enough
[12:16] <prego> acidburn, will you offer those laptops in europe?
[12:16] <mischa> holycow: i am configuring it now....my network will drop....ill call in later...ok...
[12:16] <acidburn> lol
[12:17] <duken_> i have instaled wxpython, boa-constructor, whereis the menus?
[12:17] <acidburn> not at first
[12:17] <acidburn> plan to though
[12:17] <holycow> mischa, later
[12:17] <\sh> guys, i'm ready to rumbel...base ubuntu + sshd is at start..kernel for ubuntu is ready to start, grub updated to 0.96 for boot once functionality
[12:18] <\sh> if this is working, then swapping gentoo to ubuntu is working
[12:18] <\sh> remotely
[12:19] <acidburn> we've already got an angel investor..
[12:19] <\sh> later dudes..reboot
[12:20] <CellarDoor> Ok, where do I put this line in synaptic ? "deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat unstable main" I really wanna get this repository working tonight
[12:20] <holycow> lol that's an interesting way to switch distros
[12:20] <corp> any reason why i can't control the volume level?
[12:20] <holycow> CellarDoor, /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:20] <holycow> just add it at the end
[12:20] <corp> it's either on or off...
[12:20] <CellarDoor> oh ok thanks holycow
[12:21] <CellarDoor> :)
[12:21] <holycow> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main
[12:21] <holycow> should look like that tho
[12:21] <holycow> i think
[12:21] <holycow> oh right you got it right first time
[12:21] <holycow> haha
[12:21] <thoreauputic_> CellarDoor: might be easier to do "  sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list " , add the line at the bottom of the file, save, exit, and do " sudo apt-get update"
[12:21] <CellarDoor> :P
[12:21] <holycow> i need to actually read peoples posts i think :)
[12:21] <CellarDoor> yeah
[12:22] <resiak> CellarDoor: You could also put it into synaptic's Repositories dialog.
[12:22] <resiak> hmm: man tar
[12:22] <holycow> resiak, synaptic has a repositories dialog?
[12:22] <hmm> resiak: I wouldn't be asking if I could figure out which one
[12:22] <holycow> i had no idea
[12:22] <holycow> cool!
[12:22] <liable> hmm: -a maybe
[12:22] <hmm> man is not beinghelpful to me today
[12:23] <acidburn> does postfix have quota support be default in Ubuntu?
[12:23] <holycow> ha! wow cool, that actually looks terrific
[12:23] <acidburn> by*
[12:23] <resiak> holycow: My version does...
[12:23] <Cym> acidburn, what version of postfix are you using
[12:23] <acidburn> the one that comes with Ubuntu
[12:23] <acidburn> lol
[12:24] <Cym> do you build it from apt-source?
[12:24] <acidburn> no, the binary
[12:24] <acidburn> 2.1.5-9
[12:25] <Cym> ahh 2.2.2-1 is out in unstable
[12:25] <Cym> but the package rules are fubar
[12:25] <hmm> tar -cvvf doesn't preserv permissions
[12:25] <Cym> alot more features b/n 2.1.5 and 2.2.2
[12:26] <Cym> just took me a few days to read the new manual.. tlsmgr does not use fifos.. fyi heh
[12:27] <CellarDoor> Ok, nearly there, I'm getting this error: W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net unstable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907  It'd be nice to get rid of this error, can I do that from the command line ? I'm finding working from the command line actually a bit simpler than synaptic :P
[12:27] <Cym> my dumb isp decided i was not able to handle a mail server so they decided to block my outgoing smtp port
[12:28] <Cym> but i just relayed it back to gmail on ssh
[12:28] <acidburn> has anyone heard of YesLinux, and do you think it's a good server distro?
[12:29] <CellarDoor> I'm finding it a bit easier to understand the principles at work here just using the command line and gedit... any help on my last post ? pweeese I'm nearly finished :P
[12:29] <bet0x> Any know how to install bootsplash on Ubuntu?
[12:29] <Cym> i think debian just had a new "pre" release (still working on woody lol)
[12:29] <bet0x> i want a "graphic" console without X :)
[12:30] <Cym> just remove X and the desktop
[12:30] <holycow> betox you need to patch the kernel
[12:30] <holycow> but
[12:30] <holycow> bet0x, please wait
[12:30] <holycow> there is a bootsplash being created that is in user space
[12:30] <holycow> that means no kernel patching and it should have cool things like dbus
[12:30] <Burgundavia> CellarDoor, there is something on www.ubuntuguide.org
[12:31] <bet0x> holycow, yes, i want have a bootsplash console like "G"
[12:31] <bet0x> holycow, lile Gentoo
[12:32] <bet0x> but on my Hoary =)
[12:32] <holycow> yeah, just wait until usplash is ready, it's just the right way to do it
[12:32] <bet0x> i see info about "Splashy"
[12:32] <holycow> it's being worked on by redhat as well as debian ... so there is no doubt in my mind everyone will end up using it
[12:32] <acidburn> postgresql or mysql?
[12:32] <bet0x> holycow, what is usplash ?
[12:32] <holycow> what i just told you
[12:33] <bet0x> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/USplash
[12:33] <CellarDoor> success !
[12:33] <CellarDoor> I'll worry about the error message later :P
[12:34] <balor> How often do packages go to breezy mirrors?
[12:36] <GNAM> I can't live without breezy final.
[12:36] <CellarDoor> bbl
[12:36] <mitza> what sould i install to be able to watch mpeg movies ??ubuntu 5.04"???
[12:36] <goldfish> vlc is good mitza
[12:37] <GNAM> vlc is best
[12:37] <goldfish> :)
[12:37] <acidburn> mitza: libmpeg
[12:38] <Burgundavia> mitza, see www.ubuntu.com/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[12:40] <duken_> how to create launcher on the menu ?
[12:40] <duken_> how to entry menu applications
[12:40] <holycow> duken, install gnome menu editor
[12:40] <duken_> ?
[12:40] <holycow> you can find info about it on the ubuntu website
[12:40] <dwadeer> hello everyone i have a question
[12:41] <GNAM> seems incredibile, but in standard gnome you cannot
[12:41] <dwadeer> i have no internet connection at home
[12:41] <bet0x> GNAM, you know the "menu-editor" ?
[12:41] <holycow> its not incredible at all
[12:41] <holycow> gnome just switched to the open desktop standard
[12:41] <dwadeer> so i'd like to have some repository cd's
[12:41] <holycow> what happened is they didn't have enought time to create gnome menu editor for release
[12:41] <holycow> Amaranth, here built it him self
[12:41] <holycow> so there you go
[12:42] <bet0x> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=21390 <-- Menu Editor
[12:42] <GNAM> yes, it's not standard gnome
[12:42] <dwadeer> is it possible to download some ready reopitory cd's woth additional packages
[12:42] <holycow> GNAM, please google a bit before complaining is all i'm saying
[12:42] <holycow> theres a reason for everything
[12:42] <Shufla> re
[12:42] <duken_> holycow, ok thnks
[12:42] <duken_> done
[12:42] <dwadeer> or do i have to download packages by myself, burn on cd and then edit sources.list
[12:42] <bet0x> dukehttp://www.realistanew.com/2005/03/18/gnome-menu-editor/ <-
[12:42] <duken_> how to launc menu editor ?
[12:43] <holycow> duken, no worries
[12:43] <bet0x> duken_, read that url
[12:43] <GNAM> i've installed kubuntu-desktop on ubuntu, select gnome desktop, but i have konqueror as default browser auauauaua
[12:43] <bet0x> duken_, wget http://dev.realistanew.com/menu-editor/menueditor_0.4.3ubuntu1_all.deb
[12:43] <holycow> it should appear in one of yoru menus after you restart gnome panel with 'killall gnome-panel'
[12:43] <bet0x> dpki -i menueditor_0.4.3ubuntu1_all.deb
[12:44] <holycow> GNAM, so change it
[12:44] <GNAM> where holycow, please?
[12:44] <bet0x> Applications - > Run -> menu-editor
[12:44] <holycow> GNAM, in your preferences somewhere, check helpfiles or ubuntu website
[12:44] <GNAM> ah ok
[12:46] <GNAM> more incredible, in settings mozilla-firefox is default
[12:46] <GNAM> is a setting of xchat alone?
[12:46] <bet0x> GNAM, its or "env"
[12:47] <bet0x> did you use kdm as default?
[12:47] <GNAM> no
[12:47] <bet0x> GNAM, on /etc/X11/default-display-manager you have /usr/bin/WHAT?
[12:47] <bet0x> if you use kdm, kdm sets owns env vars
[12:48] <GNAM> i've not kdm, i've installed kubuntu-desktop but selected gnome
[12:48] <mitza> hey i have no sound in vlc!!!!
[12:48] <dizzy> does anybody has a dangling symlink /etc/rc2.d/S91samba ?
[12:48] <GNAM> bah
[12:48] <nnonix> AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!
[12:49] <bet0x> uaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa !!
[12:49] <holycow> GNAM more incredible, in settings mozilla-firefox is default  <-- please stop complaining about your own ignorance
[12:49] <holycow> its not pretty
[12:49] <GNAM> auauau MAH
[12:49] <mitza> hey i have no sound in vlc!!!!?!?!?
[12:49] <bet0x> My HD DIE!! =(((
[12:49] <holycow> ubuntu is what it is, if it doesn't do what is expected 99.9% of the time its your fault
[12:49] <GNAM> you have not understand
[12:49] <GNAM> ok
[12:51] <bet0x> i need a "step by step" to make a secure fsck on my hd
[12:51] <queuetue> I've got a new motherboard, with a different onboard audio chip:  How do I get ubuntu to rediscover and set up my audio?
[12:51] <bet0x> i need reboot on rescue-mode no?
[12:51] <bet0x> queuetue, hotplug
[12:51] <acidburn> hmm, need to install 5.04 on my server..
[12:51] <queuetue> bet0x, Were you answering me?
[12:52] <holycow> acidburn, don't be doing that
[12:52] <holycow> lol
[12:52] <Shufla> acidburn: do it. runs fine :D
[12:52] <holycow> ubuntu is based on debian unstable
[12:52] <tle> gosh\
[12:52] <bet0x> queuetue, man hotplug
[12:52] <holycow> i wouldn't be installing that on anything other than desktop with a support group and support packages
[12:52] <acidburn> hmm..
[12:53] <tle> why Hoary is so crap on monitor and gfx?? (I got the bug #5917)
[12:53] <Shufla> afair hoary is snapshotted from sarge which is quite stable
[12:53] <holycow> no its not
[12:53] <holycow> unstable
[12:53] <holycow> gnome 2.10 is in unstable not sarge
[12:53] <bet0x> no
[12:53] <bet0x> Wrong
[12:53] <queuetue> bet0x, Are you answering my question about audio?  Hotplug is for USB storage devces, isn't it?
[12:53] <bet0x> Gnome 2.10 its stable
[12:53] <bet0x> unstable for debian people
[12:54] <holycow> lol no
[12:54] <acidburn> i installed 4.10 on my server, and i haven't had any problems..
[12:54] <bet0x> Mouses are unstable too?
[12:54] <bet0x> keyboards?
[12:54] <bet0x> no
[12:54] <bet0x> so gnome too
[12:54] <bet0x> :)
[12:54] <holycow> dude, your splitting hairs
[12:54] <thoreauputic_> Shufla: holycow is right, ubuntu is based on a sid snapshot, not sarge
[12:54] <bet0x> unstable are the hands on the keyboard
[12:54] <holycow> shutup, your confusting the noobs
[12:54] <SeamusLP> There's gotta be some flawed logic somewhere in that statement, eh bet0x?
[12:54] <holycow> don't be so pedantic :)
[12:54] <Shufla> indeed. sid.
[12:54] <bet0x> i need sleep
[12:54] <queuetue> Can anyone else explain to me how to get Ubuntu to rescan and setu a new audio card? :)
[12:55] <Shufla> well. but i do not know what's wrong with hoary as server...
[12:55] <roam> Is there a java package for hoary?
[12:55] <bet0x> 72 with no computer and working, recovering infotmation
[12:55] <Shufla> roam: search on ubuntu main page... try ubuntu guide.
[12:55] <holycow> bet0x, whats the problem?
[12:55] <acidburn> besides, the server i'm going to install it on is a development server
[12:55] <acidburn> not production
[12:56] <bet0x> my hd die aster a reboot
[12:56] <roam> Shufla: it references the package for warty, but not for hoary.
[12:56] <bet0x> =/
[12:56] <Shufla> roam: try ubvuntuguide.
[12:56] <Shufla> ubuntuguide.org
[12:56] <bet0x> i lost 120 GB on pics of m family, documents, projects
[12:56] <Shufla> acidburn: go for it. i depolyed real-life server. no problems (almost...but as well as in any distro)
[12:57] <holycow> betoare you sure it's dead?
[12:57] <holycow> no you didn't
[12:57] <CellarDoor> hey folks its me again
[12:57] <Shufla> bet0x: holy word backup?
[12:57] <bet0x> i have a backup, but no up-2-date
[12:57] <holycow> there are places that do hd recover
[12:57] <holycow> bet0x, 99.9999% sure its all there
[12:57] <Shufla> bet0x: but what's that? hw-failure?
[12:57] <holycow> usually the arm just stops working
[12:57] <bet0x> i know of "hard"
[12:57] <holycow> just take it into a shop that recovers data
[12:57] <bet0x> its a problem of static
[12:57] <holycow> costs $500 in canada
[12:58] <holycow> your data is still there, stop crying ;)
[12:58] <bet0x> im on argentina
[12:58] <holycow> how can you be sure?
[12:58] <IIIEars> are there wothwhile opensource forensic tools for disks?
[12:58] <CellarDoor> I'm using kubuntu here (no ones talking in #kubuntu atm) and I'm trying to shut down X so I can install my nvidia driver, but it keeps restarting X everytime I do ctrl-alt-backspace... anyone know what to do ?
[12:58] <bet0x> 500 on canada are 1700 here
[12:58] <holycow> have you taken the platters out and put them in a working read mechanism?
[12:58] <holycow> bet0x, only if you send your hd to canada
[12:58] <bet0x> holycow, my english its a little poor to explain
[12:58] <holycow> it should be affordable there at your local recover shop
[12:58] <Rima> is this channel not appropriate for kubuntu?
[12:58] <holycow> bet0x, thats okay, i'm justy trying to cheer you up
[12:58] <holycow> Rima, #kubuntu
[12:59] <bet0x> on argentina dont exist the "recover" shop =9
[12:59] <bet0x> =)
[12:59] <CellarDoor> I've asked in #kubuntu but no ones chatting, so I thought I'd ask in here
[12:59] <holycow> i don't believe it, if your using linux, there is a recovery shop
[12:59] <Rima> holycow ty, - you can obviously have kde 3.4 under ubuntu?
[12:59] <Shufla> in poland there are some, but enterprise-centric
[12:59] <bet0x> if u lost a hd, trash - > shop -> buy new -> reinstall -> use it
[12:59] <bet0x> =/
[12:59] <holycow> i know argentina has lots of large companies, they all require this service
[12:59] <bet0x> :P
[12:59] <holycow> you should look into maybe starting one
[12:59] <holycow> if i lost hd i put it on shelf, and buy a new one
[12:59] <holycow> i don't touch it until i recover data
[01:00] <Shufla> CellarDoor: Ctl+Alt+F1 ; login ; sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop ; do what you need ; sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start
[01:00] <bet0x> holycow, that i do :D
[01:00] <thoreauputic_> IIIEars: http://www.e-fense.com/helix/index2.html
[01:00] <CellarDoor> ok thanks Shufla will do that :)
[01:00] <bet0x> i put a new and im triying now to recover my information
[01:00] <holycow> bet0x, ah bueno :)
[01:00] <bet0x> 56% of fsck :D
[01:00] <IIIEars> awesome! - :)
[01:00] <holycow> betox that doesn't necessarily mean the data isn't there
[01:00] <Shufla> afair fsck is able to f*k up your data on bad sectors...
[01:00] <bet0x> holycow, hablas espaol y yo tratando de explicarte en ingles :S
[01:01] <holycow> the head maybe has a hard time moving around
[01:01] <holycow> lol beto
[01:01] <bet0x> holycow, can i speack in spanish?
[01:01] <holycow> bet0x, no i just worked with some mexicans for a few years :) i just know a few words now
[01:01] <bet0x> aa
[01:01] <det> Any caveats in upgrading from hoary to breezy early after a release? Or is it more like debian unstable?
[01:01] <bet0x> ok
[01:01] <roam> Shufla: tnx
[01:01] <holycow> there is a ubuntu spanish channel no?
[01:01] <bet0x> =)
[01:01] <mischa_> holycow: it works now...it was the blody netapplet :)
[01:01] <bet0x> #Ubuntu-es
[01:01] <bet0x> but all are sleeping
[01:01] <bet0x> :p
[01:01] <Shufla> det: are you trouble seeker?
[01:01] <holycow> lol :) hha sorry
[01:02] <Shufla> bet0x: don't you have night in argentina right now?
[01:02] <holycow> mischa, toldja :), just gotta know the chain of events, and where to look for the prob
[01:02] <bet0x> 8 AM :)
[01:02] <bet0x> on spanish 4 AM
[01:02] <det> Shufla, certainly not! This is why I asked!
[01:02] <mischa_> holycow: yep...tanx for the help...
[01:02] <holycow> bet0x, rofl, lazy country
[01:02] <bet0x> all people on #Ubuntu-es are from spanish
[01:02] <bet0x> spain*
[01:02] <bet0x> yes
[01:02] <holycow> mischa, any time
[01:02] <bet0x> so
[01:02] <bet0x> im alone
[01:02] <bet0x> :d
[01:02] <holycow> loh right spanish haha :)
[01:02] <det> Shachaf, I am, however, accustomed to Debian unstable.
[01:02] <Shufla> det: well. it's risky right now. ask yourself why you need Breezy now
[01:02] <det> Shachaf, the excitement!
[01:03] <holycow> det, your freak you
[01:03] <bet0x> 10 times upgrading to hoary, 0 errors, 10 success :D
[01:03] <det> Shufla, my life is empty without my daily upgrades
[01:03] <goldfish> lol
[01:03] <Shufla> det: then try it.
[01:03] <Choubaka> det: If you want excitement, install something from Scud.
[01:03] <det> what is Scud?
[01:03] <Choubaka> Debian Experimental
[01:03] <thoreauputic_> det, apt-get install girl-friend ;-)
[01:04] <det> Shufla, What I am seeking though, is if running breezy is like running debian unstable
[01:04] <bet0x> apt-cache search money :S
[01:04] <duken_> why i want to remove just postfix, but ubuntu-desktop will be remove too ?
[01:04] <Shufla> det: for what..?
[01:04] <det> the latest stuff
[01:04] <det> if it is as likely to break as often as unstable
[01:04] <det> it would be acceptable
[01:04] <Shufla> duken_: do not remove postfix. btw ubuntu-desktop is only metapackage it wont remove anything
[01:05] <det> thoreauputic_, No joke, I was had a dream where I realized I could apt-get install pizza.
[01:05] <Shufla> det: huh. you are using your computer as a toy??
[01:05] <det> Shufla, among other things
[01:05] <bet0x> Shufla, hahaha
[01:05] <thoreauputic_> det, heheh - I do that all the time ;)
[01:05] <Shufla> i didn't asked 'pleasure-toy' :D
[01:05] <holycow> Shufla, not everyone is as l33t as you and me *cough*
[01:05] <holycow> >_>
[01:05] <holycow> -_-
[01:06] <Shufla> holycow: rotfl. 1'm n0t leet :D
[01:06] <bet0x> my isp its bloking me the 6667 port =/
[01:06] <bet0x> 1 week more and no more #Ubuntu on freenode
[01:06] <bet0x> =)
[01:06] <bet0x> =(
[01:06] <Shufla> but whitout that information (what for?) i wasn't able to answer det's question...
[01:06] <holycow> yes but the question is are you l33t?
[01:06] <acidburn> brb. don't type till i get back
[01:06] <holycow> to be l33t or not to be l33t, that is the question my friend
[01:06] <acidburn> ;)
[01:06] <holycow> >_>
[01:06] <duken_> use proxy
[01:06] <holycow> <_<
[01:06] <thoreauputic_> bet0x: get a new ISP
[01:06] <holycow> -_-
[01:06] <Shufla> bet0x: huh. set up proxy
[01:07] <Shufla> got to go, brb
[01:07] <thoreauputic_> bet0x: are they crazy?
[01:07] <duken_> or setup bnc
[01:07] <duken_> hehehe
[01:07] <bet0x> i can "bypass" the routers
[01:07] <bet0x> =/
[01:07] <bet0x> i try but i cant
[01:07] <bet0x> so
[01:07] <bet0x> new isp
[01:07] <bet0x> i hate telecom
[01:08] <holycow> make sure you send them email complaining
[01:08] <IIIEars> << (Huge Grin) Helix!
[01:08] <holycow> IIIEars, i actually like helix my self
[01:08] <duken_> bet0x, where are you come from?
[01:08] <thoreauputic_> bet0x: why in heaven's name are they blocking port 6667 ?
[01:08] <nnonix> mozilla-mplayer sucks (venting)
[01:09] <holycow> nnonix, actually things like media players and flash players dont belong in a browser
[01:09] <holycow> i open all video and sound in totem, i need to hire someone to write ane xtension for it tho so that when you click on media link it opens up directly in totem even when embedded
[01:09] <resiak> holycow: The former is true, the latter is debateable.
[01:09] <nnonix> I agree completely .... now tell it to those embedding media in their html.
[01:09] <holycow> flash i don't have a choice ... yet
[01:10] <abood> hi all
[01:10] <abood> jordanau, i solved the xserver proplem :)
[01:10] <tsume_> stupid question, how do I quickly burn an iso?
[01:10] <resiak> holycow: I presume you know about GreaseMonkey and the unembed script?
[01:10] <tsume_> cdrecord is coughing on me
[01:10] <holycow> nnonix, i know *sigh* i use a flashblocker extension so thats pretty good, now just to find someone to write something like flashgot that passes the streams/files to the right external players
[01:10] <thoreauputic_> tsume_: right click ISO in nautilus, choose burn
[01:11] <holycow> resiak, actually i dont, googling now tho :)
[01:11] <tsume_> thoreauputic_: duh :)
[01:11] <tsume_> thoreauputic_: thank you
[01:11] <tsume_> thoreauputic_: stupidity is fatal for me
[01:11] <thoreauputic_> tsume_: no worries:)
[01:11] <nnonix> holycow, I'm attempting to tweak mozilla-mplayer to play only the embedded stuff and leave the rest to firefox file types.
[01:11] <holycow> tsume_, just be glad people aren't required to figure out 'right click' while driving
[01:11] <holycow> hehehe
[01:11] <thoreauputic_> tsume_: well, it isn't intuitively obvious
[01:12] <holycow> nnonix, kinda hard eh?
[01:12] <Rima> does anyone else run kde 3.4 here - or everyone prefer gnome?
[01:12] <nnonix> holycow, yep
[01:12] <holycow> resiak, no shit, wow
[01:12] <tsume_> thoreauputic_: i never used gnome since 2.4 :)
[01:12] <holycow> resiak, i had no idea, that is a really great link
[01:12] <holycow> *hmm*
[01:12] <holycow> ifilm haha
[01:12] <holycow> nice
[01:12] <thoreauputic_> Rima: try  #kubuntu ? But some people here run kde, sure
[01:13] <smeevil> hello people
[01:13] <holycow> Rima, i suppose i should run kde just to know whats going on, hehe :)
[01:13] <Choubaka> I can recommed xfce4 over both KDE and gnome.
[01:13] <resiak> holycow: Hope that helps.
[01:13] <holycow> thats on the next machine i guess
[01:14] <smeevil> i was wondering inf there is anyone here with a ati 9700 that has dri working,
[01:14] <nnonix> holycow, not to mention its slow to load files and randomly decides to not fully load larger files.
[01:14] <holycow> lol
[01:14] <holycow> totem is getting better but still has some similar behaviour
[01:14] <abood> guys, im facing a proplem with the apt-get, when i write "sudo apt-get install xmms" it told me that package of xmms not available
[01:15] <abood> any comments ?
[01:15] <holycow> abood, apt-cache search xmms
[01:15] <holycow> if its not there, go into /etc/apt/sources.list and uncomment what it says there
[01:15] <thoreauputic_> abood: sudo apt-get update ?
[01:15] <holycow> then rung apt-get update and try again
[01:15] <thoreauputic_> xmms is in main
[01:15] <holycow> it is? oh okay
[01:16] <nnonix> or he installed without Internet Access and the only repository he has enabled is CD
[01:16] <abood> let me try
[01:17] <Burgundavia> thoreauputic_, xmms is not in main
[01:17] <thoreauputic_> Burgundavia: it is here (warty)
[01:17] <thoreauputic_> apt-cache policy xmms
[01:17] <thoreauputic_> 500 http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/main Packages
[01:17] <Burgundavia> thoreauputic_, huh
[01:18] <Burgundavia> thoreauputic_, is for hoary too. odd
[01:18] <thoreauputic_> Burgundavia: there you go
[01:18] <holycow> nnonix, excellent call :)
[01:18] <smeevil> i was wondering if there is anyone here that has a ati 9700 with dri working ? if so, can you explain me how you did it, i try to compile the r300.sf.net drivers , kernel drm modules is ok, kernel module for the driver is ok, the dri driver is ok, but i do not know how to get the r300 (2d) X driver
[01:19] <holycow> smeevil, i had 9600 working
[01:19] <holycow> you haveto add a line after ati driver bit ....
[01:19] <nnonix> holycow, tnx
[01:19] <holycow> something like "SomethingSomething" "external" "no"
[01:19] <smeevil> holycow: hehe with the r300 driver or the fglrx driver ?
[01:19] <codecop> fgh
[01:20] <holycow> smeevil, sorry i can't be more specific but lots of google references to that i thinkg
[01:20] <holycow> fglrx
[01:20] <smeevil> holycow: okies, though iirc 9600 is r200 which has no problem , the r300 (9700/9800) is a case on its self :(
[01:21] <megamind> I HAVE SUCCESSFULLY INSTALLED SAMBA SERVER IN UBUNTOO .. THANKS FOR UR CO-OPRATION ....
[01:21] <holycow> smeevil, *nod* yeah there may be something like that, just hoping that some of my 9600 experience helps
[01:21] <holycow> megamind, no caps please
[01:22] <holycow> and on behalf of whoever helped you ... 'welcome
[01:22] <holycow> lol
[01:22] <holycow> :)
[01:22] <megamind> now i need help in how do i install squid in ubuhntoo
[01:22] <holycow> megamind, google :)
[01:22] <megamind> i can not find squid in synaptic ...
[01:22] <megamind> thats why askin
[01:22] <holycow> consider google/net as humanities long term memory offload storage
[01:22] <holycow> :)
[01:22] <holycow> megamind, enable univers in /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:22] <holycow> however
[01:23] <holycow> i would recommend waiting for sarge to release and using that as a server instead
[01:23] <SimonW> hi all - I'm trying to get Eclipse working, but it can't see my Java installation
[01:23] <Myrtti> I wonder what's wrong with my Flash, cause I can't get sound working
[01:23] <SimonW> How do I change my PATH so that stuff launched from a Gnome panel can see the changed path?
[01:23] <tbird> megamind, apt-get install squid
[01:23] <SimonW> it runs fine from a terminal (where my .bashrc file has been executed) but not from the GUI
[01:23] <tapia> hi
[01:24] <tapia> is there any way on using nptl with ubuntu?
[01:24] <thoreauputic_> holycow: cut him some slack - he's excited :)
[01:25] <holycow> SimonW, read about blackdown java, just add their repo, and apt-get update && apt-get java... soemthing or other
[01:25] <bet0x> im back :D
[01:25] <bet0x> Linux darkhole 2.6.10-5-386 #1 Tue Apr 5 12:12:40 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
[01:25] <bet0x> :D
[01:25] <holycow> SimonW, there are a few ways to install java, the ubuntu info on their site i don't like, it's not packaged, better to use blackdown repositories
[01:25] <holycow> thoreauputic_, hehe :)
[01:25] <tbird>  SimonW http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java
[01:25] <holycow> megamind, okay cutting some slack :) haha
[01:25] <SimonW> thanks tbird
[01:25] <holycow> SimonW, i strongly advise against that method
[01:26] <holycow> its 'not debian way' very bad
[01:26] <tbird> SimonW, np
[01:26] <tsume_> nobody should need java
[01:26] <tsume_> java is an evil infection
[01:26] <tbird> SimonW, http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-23592.html
[01:26] <tsume_> even the gnu implementation of the vm is horrible ;)
[01:26] <SimonW> tsume_, tell that to my university professors
[01:26] <tbird> they worked for me using blackdown
[01:26] <resiak> tsume_: You haven't done a computer science degree lately, have you?
[01:26] <tsume_> SimonW: give me thier phone number and I will
[01:26] <SimonW> I've already isntalled it using the binary thing from sun.com
[01:26] <tromp> does anyone know what APCI means?
[01:27] <holycow> i like java
[01:27] <tsume_> resiak: yes, and I can successfully say CS people are arrogant little twists
[01:27] <SimonW> Java becomes a fait bit less unpleasant when you use a good IDE with it
[01:27] <holycow> i understand what rms says about freedom, but it still has actually worked out really well with suns guidance
[01:27] <tsume_> resiak: which is why I can't stand to be around CS people, of the arrogance
[01:27] <SimonW> but give me Python any day :)
[01:27] <resiak> tsume_: And I can safely say that this is part of the reason why I'm only doing half a CS degree. ;)
[01:27] <tromp> my Thinkpad T23 hangs when booting Ubuntu after printing 2 lines about APCI...
[01:27] <holycow> the 1.5 vm is supposed to fix the speed isssues, so i'm all for it
[01:27] <bet0x> what is "CS" ?
[01:27] <tsume_> resiak: oh thank you! theres somebody with the same feelings I have
[01:27] <holycow> computer science
[01:27] <resiak> Computer Science
[01:27] <queuetue> SimonW, So it goes from "annoying and completely useless" to just "completely useless"? :)
[01:27] <bet0x> aa
[01:28] <tsume_> resiak: also, most are looking for a acedemic background, not just knowledge of CS
[01:28] <tsume_> resiak: so, its best to master a real degree if you know how to program already
[01:28] <resiak> tsume_: Sure. The other half is maths. I think I got the academia covered :)
[01:28] <tsume_> resiak: ;)
[01:28] <holycow> also i think most people use java for the wrong things
[01:28] <nnonix> tromp, google for the phrase "define: ACPI"
[01:28] <tsume_> resiak: going to write us the next gen of LAPACK?
[01:28] <thoreauputic_> tromp: http://www.google.com.au/search?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial_s&hl=en&q=APCI+acronym+computers&meta=&btnG=Google+Search
[01:29] <holycow> i'm under the impression that java excel at 'system level' types of applications, theres lots of other tools that can be matched better to different groups of problems
[01:29] <resiak> tsume_: *shrug* I am clearly not as knowledgable as you :)
[01:29] <tsume_> resiak: you don't know what LAPACK is?
[01:29] <tsume_> holycow: its not
[01:29] <tsume_> holycow: best to use a real language
[01:29] <megamind> apt-get install squid gives error could not find package squid
[01:29] <holycow> lol
[01:29] <holycow> let me guess
[01:29] <tsume_> holycow: C/C++.. or perhaps python or ruby
[01:29] <holycow> your going to say c?
[01:29] <SimonW> Java excels for architecture astronauts - you can spend months refactoring your design patterns
[01:29] <holycow> oh how did i know?
[01:29] <SimonW> all without actually writing any useful code
[01:30] <resiak> tsume_: Thanks to e2, I now do know :)
[01:30] <holycow> lol /me checks if tsume_ is in #debian
[01:30] <tsume_> holycow: C/C++ _IS_ an application lang no matter what any flaimbaiter says
[01:30] <holycow> whatever, thats just stupid
[01:30] <holycow> no offense :)
[01:30] <holycow> its like saying python isn't a language
[01:30] <tsume_> holycow: wxWidgets! qt! kde! gnome! those people don't know what they are talking about
[01:30] <holycow> whatever
[01:30] <tromp> they only provide APCI - Application-Layer Protocol Control Information
[01:30] <tromp> i cannot imagine a booting kernel being concerned with that
[01:30] <holycow> your just playing favourites, what works for you doesn't necessarily work for everyone
[01:30] <tsume_> holycow: well if you've been poisoned by false knowledge, I pity for you
[01:31] <tsume_> holycow: yes it does
[01:31] <holycow> lol okay sure
[01:31] <tromp> could it be mis-spelling ACPI?
[01:31] <tsume_> holycow: its not a fav, its standardized
[01:31] <stuNNed> how can i restore dhcp client to it's original state?  i fubar-ed it :(
[01:31] <tsume_> holycow: C++ is much faster than java
[01:31] <holycow> thats like someone coming along telling me i should drive a tank because they do, because 'its right for everything'
[01:31] <holycow> ridiculous
[01:31] <tsume_> holycow: if you haven't studied it, then sorry
[01:31] <holycow> no its not
[01:31] <resiak> !start a programming language war
[01:31] <resiak> :(
[01:31] <tsume_> yes it is
[01:31] <tsume_> holycow: study dammit
[01:31] <holycow> especiallynot in 1.5 vm
[01:31] <acidburn> back
[01:31] <holycow> heh
[01:31] <acidburn> Python rocks
[01:31] <acidburn> lol
[01:31] <tsume_> holycow: you will eventually find out for yourself
[01:32] <holycow> tsume_, ready many comparisons and speed tests
[01:32] <holycow> java infact outperforms c++ under specific problem solutions
[01:32] <tsume_> holycow: don't look at benchmarks with GNU C++ compiled!
[01:32] <queuetue> I don;t think Java excels at *anything* besides marketing and breeding lazy and dumb CS students.
[01:32] <tle> HELP
[01:32] <holycow> under others c++ is generally a wee bit faster
[01:32] <tsume_> holycow: ICC! metrowerks! etc
[01:32] <thoreauputic_> tromp: quite possible
[01:32] <tle> bug #5917 at Ubuntu, anyone know how to fix it?
[01:32] <holycow> what they had a bit problem was in the pre 1.5 vm ... each even would spawn hundreds of sub events
[01:32] <tsume_> holycow: no! C++ is much faster when using a good compiler
[01:32] <holycow> it wasn't code, bad vm implementation
[01:32] <acidburn> which file-system format do you guys recommend?
[01:33] <tsume_> holycow: GNU C++ isn't good at all
[01:33] <holycow> lol well since your in #ubuntu, i presume your talking to ms compiler and not gcc :)
[01:33] <tsume_> holycow: sure it works, but its slow
[01:33] <tsume_> holycow: Intel CC and Metroworks ;)
[01:33] <holycow> and the performance issue is a moot point as of amd64
[01:33] <nnonix> tromp, I'm sure its talking about ACPI not APCI
[01:33] <tsume_> holycow: which is why C++ is still better
[01:33] <holycow> i installed even open office on this beast today, fucking thing runs like word :)
[01:33] <holycow> sorry for swearing :)
[01:33] <holycow> haha
[01:34] <holycow> tsume_, lol, your so called speed increase is trumped by security issues
[01:34] <acidburn> before we get into a language war..
[01:34] <acidburn> which file-system format do you guys recommend?
[01:34] <acidburn> ;)
[01:34] <SimonW> ta for the help guys
[01:34] <bluewheel> ace2001ac, ext3 :-)
[01:34] <resiak> acidburn: XFS!
[01:34] <thoreauputic_> acidburn: OMG - don't do this !
[01:34] <stuNNed> anyone know what dhcp client ships  with ubuntu by default and that works with network-admin and what other .debs are associated with dhcp client?
[01:34] <holycow> a java programmer has very little to worry about security wise, i guarantee even you will be affected by something primitive like a buffer overrun
[01:34] <acidburn> for a server..
[01:34] <resiak> acidburn: But if you would like a filesystem that burns like acid, Reiser!
[01:34] <thoreauputic_> acidburn: oh dear - here we go again... :D
[01:34] <queuetue> holycow, ALl optimizations equal, an intepreted language (which java is - it generally in a VM) will not perform as well as a natively compiled language.  Add the fact that java does incessant type checking, array checking, emulates system functions, etc...  Anything that tells you it is faster then c++ is purely hype.
[01:35] <holycow> c and c++ have their place, they do not trump java in any real way, only under a few specific circumstances and problem types
[01:35] <thoreauputic_> FAT 16!
[01:35] <bluewheel> XFS, ewwwwwww
[01:35] <ups> tsume_, holycow: we're going OT here ;)
[01:35] <bluewheel> riser, ewwwwwww x2
[01:35] <holycow> queuetue, true, except in practice thats not always true
[01:35] <tsume_> holycow: they beat it in every form or fashsion
[01:35] <nnonix> reiserFS baby, yeah!
[01:35] <thoreauputic_> MINIX!
[01:35] <tsume_> holycow: stop trying to lie to yourself because its the only langauge you know ;)
[01:35] <holycow> tsume_, no, beats it FOR YOU, if yoru going to preach at least admit your bias :)
[01:35] <holycow> haha
[01:35] <queuetue> Ok, time to end this, because we're going to keep arguing fact against ... whatever holycow is using, and we'll never get anywhere...
[01:36] <tsume_> holycow: I'm sorry you learned java, but thats no reason to bash it
[01:36] <thoreauputic_> which is better, vi or emacs ?
[01:36] <tsume_> holycow: many other people back me up in real life fellow ;)
[01:36] <holycow> queuetue, so right, sometimes you just gotta give the other side, because if its not challenged a lie becomes truth easily :)
[01:36] <acidburn> Tired of having limbs torn off? Medical bills hitting the ceiling? Join the chat wars! File-system, Linux distro, programming language.. The list goes on! Join Today!
[01:36] <queuetue> thoreauputic_, emacs.   Unless you like vi, you heathen..
[01:36] <holycow> tsume_, and vice versa *nod* we both know it
[01:36] <thoreauputic_> queuetue: ed! ed is the editor! man ed!
[01:36] <acidburn> Fight a war from your own bedroom
[01:36] <acidburn> lol
[01:37] <queuetue> holycow, I have no idea wha you mean, but by stating that optimized java is faster than optmized c/c++, you are simply incorrect.  In all cases.
[01:37] <tsume_> holycow: okay, you write algorithms in Java, then I'll beat your crummy implementation because the vm is too slow ;)
[01:37] <holycow> acidburn, weeeelll sorry, haha!
[01:37] <thoreauputic_> http://users.fishinternet.com.au/~peterg/edistheeditor.txt
[01:37] <acidburn> ?
[01:38] <holycow> queuetue, you and i know that code efficiency is 50% dependent on the coder, one can very easily create c++ code that runs as slow as python :)
[01:38] <thoreauputic_> oh, MistaED has quit! :(
[01:38] <acidburn> Python is actually quite fast
[01:38] <tsume_> holycow: if the C++ code is slower than the java code, fire the C++ coder
[01:38] <acidburn> very fast actually
[01:38] <holycow> tsume_, :) yes, then i will take my crummy algo and run it on 11 platforms and you will be still staring at your compiler :)
[01:38] <tsume_> holycow: most crummy programmers come from windows realm
[01:39] <holycow> tsume_, and no real world user will be able to tell the difference
[01:39] <holycow> :)
[01:39] <queuetue> holycow, It's d tthat you mention python as slow, and java as fast, when the two languages are extememely close in speed.
[01:39] <tsume_> holycow: no, I'll still be running it on any platform buddy
[01:39] <holycow> tsume_, hehe :) what can i say, we agree
[01:39] <holycow> lol
[01:39] <tsume_> holycow: write portable STL code duh
[01:39] <acidburn> Python is fast, especially if you use optimization tools
[01:39] <tsume_> holycow: FORTRAN is still better for writing algo code ;)
[01:39] <acidburn> and its easy to code
[01:40] <Seveas> ah, quetue is being as clueless as ever :)
[01:40] <acidburn> thats why google uses it for their search engine
[01:40] <acidburn> lol
[01:40] <queuetue> acidburn, *and* it's easy to extend with c when you need to.
[01:40] <thoreauputic_> COBOL!
[01:40] <tsume_> I swear by FORTRAN and C++ because I studied it well
[01:40] <holycow> queuetue, like  you said we can argue all night, i'll just stop, just wanted to give another point of view and not leave the c is god thing hanging :)
[01:40] <holycow> hehe
[01:40] <acidburn> exactly
[01:40] <tsume_> and I can sucessfully say java is slower
[01:40] <holycow> appearently haskel is really fast too, gets converted to c and compiled from there appearently
[01:40] <tsume_> also memory hungry
[01:40] <queuetue> holycow, C is the Unix language of choice for many reasons- and almost none of them are dogmalike.
[01:40] <holycow> tsume_, it no longer matters
[01:40] <tsume_> holycow: yes, it does
[01:40] <holycow> even if it were true
[01:41] <holycow> i rarely see systems these days with less than 512 megs ram
[01:41] <holycow> 1 gig is very popular
[01:41] <tsume_> holycow: when you have a server which has 60 users running jsp apps which run algos, you'll cry
[01:41] <acidburn> C i to low level for most tasks
[01:41] <holycow> lost of people getting amd64
[01:41] <acidburn> is*
[01:41] <holycow> intel dual cores
[01:41] <holycow> etc.
[01:41] <tsume_> holycow: you think wrong buddy
[01:41] <tsume_> just because you have more CPU doens't mean to need to run a shitty vm
[01:41] <tsume_> holycow: thats the _wrong_ way of thinking
[01:41] <thoreauputic_> see ya guys... I've seen this too often
[01:41] <IIIEars> Why would mounting a ext2 or ext3 file system -read only- change it's checksum?
[01:41] <holycow> there are tasks that require such low level access sure, i assure you auzareus is not one of them
[01:42] <holycow> of open office implementation on osx
[01:42] <holycow> and java is used INCREDIBLY heavily in the financial industries
[01:42] <CellarDoor> hi can anyone tell me how to turn acpi off
[01:42] <holycow> i know of no one writing cobol to modern system integration in c infact, it's all java
[01:42] <holycow> as an example
[01:42] <LinuxJones> Guys,  Please take this conversation  somewhere else.
[01:43] <holycow> lol k :) *sigh* i'm a little chatting tonight
[01:43] <holycow> simpsons time :)
[01:43] <LinuxJones> TY :)
[01:43] <Shufla> re
[01:44] <acidburn> a Lnux ad on a billboard..
[01:44] <acidburn> Linux*
[01:44] <Shufla> o...holy war :)
[01:44] <Shufla> how nice :D
[01:45] <resiak> This could be the start of a haiku: "Billboard Linux ad / marks the dawn of an era / in this chilly spring"
[01:45] <propagandhi> whats a good fortran IDE if such a thing exists
[01:45] <acidburn> lol
[01:45] <Shufla> propagandhi: perhaps something in emacs :D
[01:45] <propagandhi> yeah, i figured as much
[01:46] <acidburn> Tired of Windows crashing on you? Looking for something more powerful, more stable, more fun? Well stop looking. It's here. www.ubuntu.com
[01:46] <Shufla> ...and then try to play some viedos, dvd... :(
[01:47] <acidburn> i don't have problems, once i installed a few, uhh, libraries
[01:47] <acidburn> ;)
[01:47] <propagandhi> acidburn: what the hell was that about
[01:47] <Shufla> huh. if linux wont make 33% of market in 2-3 years i'm going to be dance instructor. really...
[01:47] <acidburn> well, you can replace windows with IE and ubuntu with getfirefox.com
[01:47] <acidburn> propaghandi: im just bored
[01:47] <acidburn> lol
[01:48] <propagandhi> ok, fair enough
[01:48] <Shufla> acidburn: do something constructive. unbload xorg code :D
[01:48] <acidburn> lol
[01:48] <Shufla> s/load/loat/
[01:48] <SiRrUs> good morning
[01:48] <Choubaka> resiak: cute.
[01:48] <toady> hi
[01:48] <Shufla> SiRrUs: good early-after-noon
[01:48] <SiRrUs> :)
[01:49] <propagandhi> is fortran cross-platform?
[01:49] <acidburn> *takes out code optimizer, runs it on xorg code*
[01:49] <toady> grmbl! folks don't upgrade if you use evolution
[01:49] <acidburn> *xorg code cut in half on first round*
[01:49] <toady> propagandhi: as long as there is someone to write a compiler for it, yes :)
[01:50] <Shufla> *and makes xorg unportable...*
[01:50] <cartman> is there something like rc.local in ubuntu?
[01:50] <propagandhi> ok, so if i wrote something in fortran can i port it to windows easily
[01:50] <Shufla> well. portability makes software more bloat, isn't it?
[01:50] <cartman> like execute a command after all other boot process
[01:50] <acidburn> not really
[01:50] <acidburn> look at the linux kernel
[01:50] <acidburn> not exactly bloated
[01:50] <acidburn> although getting there
[01:50] <acidburn> it needs a rewrite soon
[01:51] <LinuxJones> cart, you can create one yourself
[01:51] <cartman> LinuxJones: ah no cheap method for lazy me then :) Yeah I know sysVinit :)
[01:52] <Shufla> eh... i found smth like rc.local in debian. but it was woody/early sarge time.
[01:52] <cartman> Shufla: its something from BSD's init scripts
[01:52] <cartman> pretty cool for lazy ones
[01:52] <acidburn> 1 Microsoft Windows XP License:		$300
[01:52] <bet0x> im back
[01:52] <acidburn> 1 Microsoft Office 2003 License:	$500
[01:52] <LinuxJones> cartman, well not really
[01:52] <bet0x> composite ext freeze my X :S
[01:52] <acidburn> Lost Productivity:			A whole lot
[01:52] <cartman> LinuxJones: humpf?
[01:53] <acidburn> Watching Bill Gates get hit in the face with a cream pie:			Priceless
[01:53] <acidburn> There are somethings software can't give you. For everything else, there's Open-Source.
[01:54] <Shufla> cartman: sudo touch /etc/init.d/rclocal ; sudo chmod /etc/init.d/rclocal ; sudo update-rc.d rclocal defaults 99 ; sudo vim /etc/init.d/rc.local <- put commands here...
[01:54] <cartman> Shufla: thanks I know sysV init :)
[01:54] <Shufla> cartman: ahhh. :> ok :>
[01:55] <cartman> Shufla: but laziness is virtue so I will copy/paste and edit :D
[01:55] <Shufla> cartman: look into debian docs, there's something mentioned about real rc.local :D
[01:55] <Raskall> Agh... I wish I had some startup capital. There are so many small domain-/hosting-/mail-providers I am already running a better service than. I just need a server with decent storage system, backup system and a line I am allowed to sell services on.
[01:55] <acidburn> laziness is an important factor in a programmer
[01:55] <Shufla> Raskall: and insurance, when someone sues you.
[01:55] <acidburn> but only when hes actually coding
[01:55] <joeka> hello
[01:55] <acidburn> ;)
[01:55] <Shufla> without ppl laziness there would be no need for computers
[01:55] <bet0x> any know a tool to backup my all information on /etc and homes without shell commands ?
[01:55] <Shufla> s/laziness/stupidity/ or anything else
[01:56] <Raskall> Shufla: of course. :) But that will my business manager (also called wife) handle.
[01:56] <Shufla> bet0x: apt-cache search backup
[01:56] <bet0x> Shufla, "sudo" first :)
[01:57] <Shufla> bet0x: not needed for apt-cache search...
[01:57] <bet0x> :O
[01:57] <Shufla> bet0x: btw not all my responses *have to* pastable :D
[01:57] <Shufla> pasteable?
[01:57] <joeka> i have some problems installing ubunto on a notebook
[01:57] <Raskall> I just wondered one thing. Am I doing something very un-ubuntuish when I set a root password on all my boxes and "sux -" when I need root?
[01:58] <Raskall> or do I just have to remember "sudo" before everything when I am assisting ubuntu-users?
[01:58] <bet0x> pasta :D
[01:58] <superted> Raskall: yes
[01:58] <Shufla> Raskall: if you feel that it's safer...
[01:58] <acidburn> how the hell you gonna install ubuntu on a notebook? linux is portable, but not that portable
[01:58] <acidburn> PAPER architecture
[01:59] <Shufla> joeka: what's your problem?
[01:59] <WillCooke> acidburn, It depends if you're using PEN or PENCIL
[01:59] <Raskall> acidburn: ??? I am running ubuntu on my thinkpad a31/p. power saving, hibernation, suspend etc is working at least as well as in windblows.
[01:59] <joeka> 1. after installing the notebook hangs up at starting hotplug subsystem
[02:00] <bet0x> im a idiot
[02:00] <Raskall> Shufla: just for practical reasons, really. or for old habits.
[02:00] <bet0x> 30' search for a program like winscp and gftp have scp :D
[02:00] <Shufla> Raskall: i feel more comfortable(? good) with sudo and sudo -s -H when I do need 0uid shell
[02:00] <Shufla> Raskall: imagine situation:
[02:01] <Raskall> Shufla: ok. It's just about habits, I guess. Why would sudo be safer than becoming root?
[02:01] <acidburn> WillCooke: i think it's on PAPER architecture with the PENCIL command set
[02:01] <Shufla> [shufla@hardy /var/spool/mail]  $ rm -fr *
[02:01] <Shufla> and
[02:01] <Shufla> [shufla@hardy /var/spool/mail]  # rm -fr *
[02:01] <Shufla> with sudo you have one step more to hell...
[02:02] <HeMan> Hi! Where can i find a packages.debian.org'alike webpage for ubuntu?
[02:02] <resiak> packages.ubuntu.com ?
[02:02] <WillCooke> acidburn, Oooo, a museum piece!
[02:02] <LinuxJones> HeMan, >> http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[02:03] <cens0red> l o.
[02:03] <Raskall> Shufla: just if you havent typed the su password the last 30 minutes.
[02:04] <Shufla> Raskall: well. with unpriviliged account you have to type `sudo' before # commands. and that the time when i think second time.
[02:05] <Shufla> Raskall: afair it's possibile to change that time to 0. than anytime you need go superuser you need to use password. and when you need longer superuser work, you go into sudo -s -H
[02:05] <Raskall> Shufla: hmm. ok. But still. I have ben god^H^H^Hroot for >15 years and never had any accidents, so the habit is bad to break.
[02:05] <Shufla> i was using `su -'-like systems, but now i'm more comfortable with sudo's
[02:05] <karlp> is ndiswrapper not included on the livecd?
[02:05] <forsaker8k6> hi guys
[02:05] <LinuxJones> karlp, it should be yeah
[02:06] <Shufla> Raskall: ah. i'm much younger than you :>
[02:06] <forsaker8k6> can i ask you a question?
[02:06] <acidburn> hey forsaker
[02:06] <acidburn> lol
[02:06] <Raskall> Shufla: :) Yup. and learn more easily, I guess.
[02:06] <karlp> jones: It doesn't seem to be :)  sudo ndiswrapper says it's nto found, and sudo which ndiswrapper shows nothing
[02:06] <forsaker8k6> I've got a problem with mplayer playing a video with ac3 audio
[02:07] <Shufla> Raskall: no. less habits, that's it. but i think that sudo-like typing should be used for newbies in ubuntu as more supported.
[02:07] <LinuxJones> karlp, you need to sudo apt-get update && apt-cache serach ndiswrapper
[02:07] <LinuxJones> search*
[02:08] <karlp> so it's not on th elive cd then :)
[02:08] <forsaker8k6> when i try to open this video mplayer crashes merrilly...
[02:08] <Raskall> Shufla: mm.. I love the way it is done in ubuntu. Newbies are less prone to accidents that way. So when I help people, I tro to remember "sudo" before the commands I tell them to run.
[02:08] <forsaker8k6> but if i run mplayer --nosund <video> it's all right
[02:08] <forsaker8k6> --nosound*
[02:09] <LinuxJones> karlp, ohhhh, I don't know if it's on the livecd or not dude
[02:09] <bet0x> forsaker8k6, this is not the correct answer, but: Try using VideoLan, works better than mp :)
[02:09] <karlp> that's ok :)  it's installing now, we shall see how we go.
[02:10] <forsaker8k6> tnx bet0x i'll give VideoLan a try ;)
[02:10] <Shufla> Raskall: and one less password to remember...
[02:10] <bet0x> forsaker8k6, with vlc i never have a problem :)
[02:11] <Raskall> Shufla: of course. But I have always figured you cannot get enought passwords.
[02:11] <grumpysmurf> what is the reason for no flash on amd64?  is it because macromedia hasn't released a version specifically for 64bit platforms?
[02:11] <bet0x> how i can install macromedia plash player with apt-get ?
[02:12] <bet0x> any know the package name ?
[02:12] <forsaker8k6> because macromedia sucks
[02:12] <bet0x> forsaker8k6, language
[02:12] <forsaker8k6> emm... sorry
[02:12] <forsaker8k6> :D
[02:12] <grumpysmurf> k just checking ;)
[02:12] <Shufla> grumpysmurf: yes.
[02:12] <bet0x> =)
[02:12] <Shufla> bet0x: apt-cache search flash
[02:12] <Shufla> bet0x: universe/multiverse enabled
[02:12] <elcu> grumpysmurf: IIRC, the blame lies with AMD
[02:13] <Shufla> elcu: why AMD?
[02:13] <forsaker8k6> it's just because i've been searching for a working 64 bit plug in for x86_64 for so long
[02:13] <grumpysmurf> does anyone know if the gpl player will play strongbad at least?
[02:13] <Shufla> grumpysmurf: surf on ubuntuforums.org about 32bit chroot for such operations.
[02:13] <bet0x> Shufla, :) thnx
[02:13] <elcu> Shufla: i'm not sure. :)  i just read someone telling someone else to email AMD about it.
[02:13] <grumpysmurf> meh.
[02:14] <Shufla> elcu: huh. well. write then to ibm/anyone about powerpc not being compatibile binary with x86_32 :D
[02:14] <odiX> only a simple question, what file system should I use on desktop/notebook, on server I use xfs, because of the extended attributes, but I'm not shure about desktops ?
[02:15] <grumpysmurf> the blame would be with the application vendor, not the hardware vendor/manufacturer, actually.
[02:15] <maswan> elcu: ehm. it is non-free software, you're in the hand of the application vendor to support hardware
[02:15] <forsaker8k6> i personally suggest reiserfs
[02:15] <grumpysmurf> the application vendors are responsible for making sure their programs run on various platforms.
[02:15] <elcu> don't blame me! i'm just passing on what was said.
[02:15] <elcu> :)
[02:15] <Shufla> odiX: huh. xfs - fastest && most dangerous.
[02:16] <odiX> most dangerous ???
[02:16] <Shufla> elcu: that's my english. it was for "them" who blamed amd.
[02:16] <Shufla> odiX: yes.
[02:16] <maswan> Shufla: huh. I'd count both jfs and reiser as more dangerous.
[02:16] <forsaker8k6> mmm... vlc doesn't crash when opening the videofile but i can't still hear audio
[02:17] <odiX> Shufla: why ???, I've not any problems
[02:17] <Shufla> maswan: i've read about xfs that's not good on drives without RAID/UPS stuff.
[02:17] <odiX> jfs, yeah, no more jfs anymore
[02:17] <Shufla> odiX: by extended attributes you mean access control lists?
[02:17] <odiX> yes
[02:17] <Shufla> well. ext3 has more than 32acl entries. afair xfs has only 32.
[02:17] <maswan> Shufla: it is fast, and xfs_repair is good to me
[02:18] <maswan> Shufla: in the case I've had bit errors in the storage
[02:18] <maswan> Shufla: jfs handled it much worse, and reiser is just plain strange
[02:18] <Shufla> maswan: we've got some really bad and deep problems with PLD on XFS. after some kernel oops it made /etc/localtime binary file...
[02:19] <maswan> Shufla: I've just heard about this the last couple of days. I've never had any problems myself though.
[02:19] <Shufla> maswan: well. i do not know, if the issue with xfs we had was PLD-centric or xfs-centric.
[02:19] <IIIEars> File this question under: "It ain't easy being a newbie" - if i download an ISO to an linux file system will it be unmodified when i transfer it to a FAT32 file system and burn it later?
[02:19] <Shufla> maswan: i had. not only /etc/localtime. /etc/passwd on remote server... :(
[02:19] <selinium> hi al, is there any way of playing WMV files in Ubuntu?
[02:20] <Shufla> always when there was power failure while many operations (compiling, etc) was in progress
[02:20] <maswan> Shufla: well, I've never run anything but ext2 for the root filesystem. xfs is just on the large data filesystems where performance is important
[02:20] <nnonix> IIIEars, yes
[02:20] <_-InMa-_> buenas tardes, bona vesprada, good afternoon
[02:21] <Shufla> _-InMa-_: forgotten konbanwa, buon giorne, dobri den, dzien dobry :D
[02:21] <Burgundavia> selinium, www.ubuntu.com/wiki/RestrictedFormats will tell you everything you need to know
[02:21] <_-InMa-_> Shufla,  xD
[02:21] <Shufla> selinium: and then surf to www.ubuntuguide.org
[02:21] <selinium> Cheers, Burgundavia!
[02:21] <cartman> Shufla: yep that worked fine, cheers :)
[02:21] <Burgundavia> selinium, np
[02:21] <odiX> msawan: what's included in your "root" filesystem, e.g. /usr included or real "root" ?
[02:21] <Shufla> cartman: ??
[02:21] <IIIEars> great - one last ridiculous newbie question. Why would a linux filesystem hash value be changed even if i mounted it read only?
[02:21] <_-InMa-_> Shufla, I don't understant these languages xD
[02:21] <Burgundavia> odiX, /root is the home folder for the root user
[02:21] <Shufla> cartman: aaaa, script :D
[02:21] <_-InMa-_> understand*
[02:22] <cartman> Shufla: yeah :)
[02:22] <odiX> Burg....:I know this, thanx
[02:22] <Burgundavia> odiX, oh, sorry, misread your statment
[02:23] <Shufla> _-InMa-_: me too. well, maybe `dzien dobry'-based language a little :D
[02:23] <megamind> i can not install squid in ubuntoo ... will someone plz help me about that i have alos tried apt-get install squid
[02:23] <odiX> it's better to say "plain" root, e.g. /usr ; /opt; in seperate partitions
[02:23] <Shufla> cartman: hahaha :> it was rootkit :D :>
[02:23] <megamind> it gives error can not find package squid :(
[02:23] <cartman> Shufla: ssh -l root 127.0.0.1
[02:23] <cartman> Shufla: pass is "r00t"
[02:23] <cartman> :P
[02:24] <Shufla> megamind: well apt-get install squid do not work?
[02:24] <megamind> nops
[02:24] <megamind> it gives error can not find package squid
[02:24] <IIIEars> I can't believe how powerful linux is and it is FREE. - so very grateful - Thanks Guys! :)
[02:24] <Burgundavia> megamind, it in main, so it should be there
[02:24] <IIIEars> Good Night!
[02:24] <HeMan> I didn't try the obvious...
[02:25] <megamind> i even can not ... it in syanptic
[02:25] <megamind> * synaptic do not have an entry of squi
[02:25] <Shufla> megamind: show me `egrep -v ^# /etc/apt/sources.list' on priv
[02:25] <Fab2> backports have problems atm
[02:25] <_-InMa-_> Shufla,  dzien dobry???? Oo
[02:25] <HeMan> Is neither universe and multiverse "supported"?
[02:25] <Fab2> it seems
[02:25] <megamind> okz ...
[02:26] <forsaker8k6> mmm... nothing to do... vlc is still not playing ac3 audio
[02:26] <Shufla> HeMan: MOTU on ubuntu.com wiki.
[02:26] <Shufla> _-InMa-_: good day in my native lang.
[02:26] <Fab2> medamind: squid is in synaptic
[02:26] <Fab2> megamind*
[02:27] <Shufla> megamind: no dcc, i'm on firewall
[02:27] <megamind> ok ...
[02:27] <dwadeer> hello guys i have a lame question
[02:27] <Choubaka> :p
[02:27] <Burgundavia> HeMan, that is correct
[02:27] <Choubaka> dwadeer: no question is lame unasked.
[02:27] <_-InMa-_> Shufla, ahhhhhhhhhh ok!!xD What is your native language?
[02:27] <acidburn> has anyone tried Hula?
[02:27] <djp> does rhythmbox not support the playback of .wav files? i am running the version that is included in hoary.
[02:27] <megamind> feb2 ... i can not find that on syanptic
[02:28] <HeMan> *s*
[02:28] <\sh> argl
[02:28] <Shufla> _-InMa-_: let's say it's your homework :D
[02:28] <_-InMa-_> acidburn, are you spanish?
[02:28] <Burgundavia> acidburn, yes, is quite nice but not ready yet
[02:28] <Fab2> megamind its in hoary megamind: do you have universe and multiverse enabled?
[02:28] <Choubaka> I guess Polish!
[02:28] <Fab2> megamind: do you have universe and multiverse enabled?
[02:28] <acidburn> _-InMa-_: no, im not
[02:28] <acidburn> its an OSS project
[02:28] <_-InMa-_> acidburn, ok!
[02:28] <Shawe> hi
[02:28] <Shufla> Choubaka: you won! 10 licenses of Windows Longhorn in Chienese :D
[02:28] <\sh> grmpf
[02:28] <forsaker8k6> hi Shawe
[02:29] <Burgundavia> acidburn, but Novell is throwing money at it, so it should go somewhere
[02:29] <Choubaka> Arg
[02:29] <acidburn> yea
[02:29] <megamind> i dont know about universe and multivers :(
[02:29] <megamind> i m newbie
[02:29] <acidburn> what i read looked promising
[02:29] <goldfish> megamind: www.ubuntuguide.org
[02:29] <djp> does rhythmbox not support the playback of .wav files? i am running the version that is included in hoary.
[02:29] <Fab2> look in your sources.list file
[02:29] <Shawe> anyone can help me to configure a mouse usb for run X?
[02:29] <\sh> after /usr/sbin/base-config new ubuntu is installing a complete system with xorg and all
[02:29] <forsaker8k6> megamind: you need to uncomment some lines in /etc/apt/sources.lst
[02:29] <\sh> but i wanted to have only the server part..so no X no fun stuff
[02:29] <Choubaka> Shufla: it was very difficult to type /wii
[02:29] <dwadeer> are there available on the net some cd-s with additional packages ready to add it in sources.list
[02:30] <dwadeer> or do i have to make it on my own
[02:30] <lunitik> dwadeer: crap internet connection?
[02:30] <Choubaka> However, I'll give you a cookie if you can guess my nationality :)
[02:30] <jordanau> Choubaka, wookie?
[02:30] <forsaker8k6> Choubaka: any hint?
[02:30] <dwadeer> no internet connection at home and no ubuntu at work so i can't  app-get idownload
[02:30] <forsaker8k6> rotfl
[02:30] <Choubaka> No hints. and I'm not a wookie.
[02:30] <Fab2> finland
[02:30] <lunitik> Choubaka: Swedish?
[02:30] <Shufla> Choubaka: finland.
[02:30] <Fab2> :)
[02:30] <Shufla> finish
[02:30] <Shufla> finnish
[02:31] <Shufla> argh :(
[02:31] <nnonix> djp: natively no, however there is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[02:31] <acidburn> finnish
[02:31] <acidburn> lol
[02:31] <forsaker8k6> -_-
[02:31] <acidburn> ihme.org
[02:31] <acidburn> ;)
[02:31] <Fab2> choubaka: guessed by your name in /whois
[02:31] <Choubaka> Heh :p
[02:31] <Fab2> dwadeer: id suggest making your own
[02:31] <Shufla> huh...
[02:32] <Choubaka> And my nick isn't pronounced "chew"-baka P
[02:32] <Shufla> indeed. and i was whoisin his host and mtring to him... arghh...
[02:32] <Choubaka> :P*
[02:32] <djp> nnonix: thanks
[02:32] <dwadeer> so if i want to have  for example xmms i have to download it and all the "red" "green" packages and burn on cd ?
[02:32] <jordanau> Choubaka, oh...
[02:32] <Choubaka> I should change my nick anyway.
[02:32] <cionuser> hello
[02:33] <forsaker8k6> just a little poll: what's you nationaluty?
[02:33] <Fab2> dwadeer: what do you mean by red and green packages? you need to install the dependencies, you should install the recommended ones
[02:33] <Fab2> austria
[02:33] <forsaker8k6> your*
[02:33] <Choubaka> But I've been using it for so long it's become a part of my net identity. ;P
[02:33] <cionuser> need help with wireless usb device installation can some1 help me, newbie here
[02:33] <dwadeer> well, the recommended dependencies are marked by red colour
[02:33] <Fab2> ah
[02:33] <Fab2> okay
[02:33] <Fab2> then i guess green are the recommended ones
[02:33] <Choubaka> lunitik: breezy? :p
[02:34] <bdale> where do ubuntu kernel folk hang out?
[02:34] <lunitik> Fab2: those things are configurable... it is whatever you set it as...
[02:34] <lunitik> Choubaka: uh huh
[02:34] <dwadeer> are there any ways to install it and all dependencies withous downloading everything separately
[02:34] <Choubaka> lunitik: hah.
[02:34] <forsaker8k6> dwadeer: apt
[02:34] <cionuser> can somebody help me with a wireless device installation?
[02:34] <lunitik> Choubaka: Evolution wants to go bye bye  :'(
[02:35] <Shufla> Breezy Trouble Seekers...
[02:35] <Choubaka> It'll be fixed eventually.
[02:35] <Fab2> dwadeer you can use synaptic and check "download only"
[02:35] <Choubaka> Breezy _will break_
[02:35] <lunitik> Choubaka: *g* nuh uh?
[02:35] <cionuser> help :(
[02:35] <Choubaka> That's guaranteed.
[02:35] <dwadeer> so i sould have ubuntu with working net, download everything i need with apt-get, burn on cd and add it to my home ubuntu
[02:35] <Shawe> How I can configure the xorg.conf for use a USB mouse?
[02:35] <karl> how can I scan for essid's?
[02:35] <karl> I can't remember the one I configured.
[02:35] <Shufla> huh. that's what i miss. apt-mirror and all is put in current dir, which could be added to sources...
[02:35] <Fab2> dwadeer: and to automaticall install the green ones, go to preferences and change the option with recommended ones
[02:36] <dwadeer> ok
[02:36] <Fab2> at least thats what i would do
[02:36] <resiak> karl: /sbin/iwlist scanning ?
[02:36] <dwadeer> i have some guides to add a noew cd to sources.list so it should work :)
[02:36] <dwadeer> thx
[02:36] <Fab2> np
[02:36] <cionuser> i need help with a wireless usb adapter installation
[02:36] <Choubaka> If you want your system to work, you shouldn't use Breezy. :)
[02:37] <Fab2> could someone please confirm that backports dont work at the moment
[02:37] <Fab2> ?
[02:37] <lunitik> Choubaka: bah... mines working just fine... just likely to come across some bugs... its not like its Rawhide  ;)
[02:38] <Choubaka> Though you mad beta maniacs help us sane people by bumping into all the bugs before the stable is released.
[02:38] <lunitik> Choubaka: most of what is dragged in is sid... I ran sid for 4 years... :/
[02:38] <karl> soo if /sbin/iwlist scanning shows no results, and I'm sitting beside the AP, it probably means my ndiswrapper isn't quite right?
[02:38] <Fab2> anyone please?
[02:38] <Choubaka> hmm
[02:39] <Fab2> karl: that or you router is set to not broadcoast ssids
[02:39] <lunitik> Choubaka: really, all that differes is the update-* packages, GNOME and Xorg...
[02:39] <Choubaka> Fab2: confirmed.
[02:39] <Choubaka> 500
[02:39] <Fab2> ty choubaka
[02:39] <Fab2> yes
[02:39] <karl> fab: doubtful, it all works pretty seamlessly in windows.
[02:39] <Shufla> brb
[02:39] <karl> what interface is sit0?
[02:39] <Choubaka> hmm
[02:40] <Choubaka> a ipv4-to-ipv6 tunnel
[02:40] <Choubaka> probably
[02:40] <Fab2> karl: what does it say?
[02:40] <lunitik> karl: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2001/02/msg02537.html
[02:40] <liable> karl: what does ifconfig say about it?
[02:41] <karl> says its up.
[02:41] <lunitik> karl: it is a ipv4 > ipv6 tunnel apparently
[02:41] <Fab2> what window manager currently supports the most eyecandy capable of impressing potential window converters?
[02:41] <lunitik> Fab2: Luminocity  8)
[02:41] <karl> meh, eyecandy wasn't what has finally convinced me.
[02:42] <Fab2> im currently running the default gnome with metacity and brightside, some themes
[02:42] <Fab2> lunitik ty :P
[02:42] <karl> it's being able to configure most stuff through a sensibly designed control panel
[02:42] <Fab2> karl: it wasnt what convinced me either, but it sure is a good-to-have extra :)
[02:43] <karl> what ever this default in 5.04 is good enough for me at the moment.
[02:43] <liable> karl: that wasnt the question:)
[02:43] <lunitik> Fab2: Luminocity is the devel version of Metacity where they are playing with Cairo support
[02:44] <Choubaka> hee
[02:44] <Choubaka> wobbly windows!
[02:44] <lunitik> Fab2: you have likely seen pictures of the dancing windows etc?
[02:44] <Fab2> yes
[02:44] <Fab2> i just saw the blog post again
[02:44] <Fab2> with the videos :P
[02:44] <lunitik> Fab2: Apparently they perform much better with Xgl   8)
[02:45] <karl> anyone know how to get standby working for a laptop?
[02:45] <exalted> anyone noted that evolution and ubuntu-desktop packages are removed from the breezy???
[02:46] <lunitik> exalted: bah, yes
[02:46] <lunitik> exalted: just say no, and wait till they decide to change evolution deps
[02:46] <exalted> lunitik, that's cool, isn't it??
[02:46] <Markrian> Why are people surprised that breezy isn't stable/behaves weirdly/is broken. It's silly.
[02:47] <lunitik> Markrian: bah, I noted it just incase devels are here... it is easier then going up on bugzilla  ;)
[02:47] <queuetue> Markrian, Well, it's like .. what, 5 DAYS OLD?   How long will it be unstable? :)
[02:47] <exalted> lunitik, what do you instend??
[02:47] <lunitik> Markrian: plus, I'm not sure the dep errors count as real bugs  *shrug*
[02:47] <Shufla> ah. freeciv-2 :D
[02:47] <liable> Markrian: same reason people who dont know what they are doing complain about sid
[02:47] <lunitik> exalted: ?
[02:48] <exalted> lunitik, i was thinking that they're really removed this package as a new policy...
[02:48] <queuetue> liable, Well, until ubuntu, you kind of *had* to run Sid, so there were reasons to complain.  Today, I agree with you.
[02:48] <lunitik> queuetue: like I said, right now, it is basically Sid... breakage usually occures when GNOME folks start releasing next devel version  ;)
[02:49] <queuetue> lunitik, Ah, is breezy a fresh pull from SID, not a branch of Hoary?  (I know they are very close, but which one is closer?)
[02:49] <lunitik> exalted: no... look at the package marked as NEW ... evolution depends an older version explicitly
[02:49] <JoshuaSydney> !!! >> hi guys, is it possible to install msn messenger in UBUNTU? << !!!
[02:49] <lunitik> queuetue: yes
[02:49] <JoshuaSydney> !!! >> hi guys, is it possible to install msn messenger in UBUNTU? << !!!
[02:49] <Choubaka> ...
[02:50] <Choubaka> JoshuaSydney: No-one will answer if you repeat.
[02:50] <liable> queuetue: the whole ubuntu distro is pulled from debian, if its new, its sid
[02:50] <superted> JoshuaSydney: try gaim
[02:50] <grumpysmurf> or use extraneous !'s and >'s for attention.
[02:50] <lunitik> queuetue: initial breezy is a resync with sid, with applicable patches being applied...
[02:50] <JoshuaSydney> it can be use for MSN messenger?
[02:50] <Markrian> JoshuaSydney, yes
[02:50] <superted> JoshuaSydney: yes
[02:50] <grumpysmurf> JoshuaSydney, there's an MSN plugin for gaim
[02:50] <exalted> lunitik, so...? Nothing changes actually?
[02:50] <Markrian> JoshuaSydney, try it and see
[02:51] <lunitik> exalted: just say no to the upgrade for now... wait a while...
[02:51] <exalted> lunitik, strange...
[02:51] <Choubaka> or you can run MS's MSN Messenger software in wine, but that requires some tinkering.
[02:51] <queuetue> lunitik, So, initial breezy is esentially the ubuntyu hoary and debian sit repositories both in sources.lsit and a dist-upgrade?
[02:51] <lunitik> exalted: not really...
[02:51] <Choubaka> queuetue: eek :D
[02:51] <Choubaka> That sounds evil
[02:51] <Choubaka> Probably not.
[02:51] <queuetue> If, that is, I spelled any of that correctly...
[02:51] <JoshuaSydney> oh okie
[02:51] <lunitik> queuetue: kind of... anything that is newer in Sid than hoary comes in...
[02:51] <exalted> lunitik, bah...
[02:52] <lunitik> exalted: it is a devel version... compared to what will be encountered, these kinds of things are trivial
[02:52] <JoshuaSydney> Markrian ... when i try to set networks for windows... SMB Support is not running ... please install SMB support to enable file sharing in Windows networks
[02:52] <JoshuaSydney> what should i do?
[02:52] <Choubaka> it _installed_ without problems!
[02:52] <Choubaka> It just didn't work
[02:53] <Markrian> JoshuaSydney, install samba
[02:53] <Markrian> JoshuaSydney, using the package manager
[02:53] <exalted> lunitik, well... okay.
[02:53] <lunitik> Choubaka: most things in experimental are stable on i386 ... just not on the other 19 ports
[02:53] <mjc> crap now I have two entries in groupmap for domain admins
[02:53] <Markrian> JoshuaSydney, read this: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SettingUpSamba
[02:53] <JoshuaSydney> okay
[02:54] <JoshuaSydney> opening.. thx Markrian
[02:54] <Markrian> np
[02:54] <Choubaka> Debian is a damn nice distro for buillding other distros based on it. :p
[02:54] <exalted> :)
[02:54] <lunitik> Choubaka: mainly because they explicitly allow it  :P
[02:54] <Markrian> Debian's rather nice anyway I think
[02:54] <Choubaka> basically it just offers you a huge amount of packages and make no assumptions in the default configs :p
[02:55] <lunitik> Markrian: indeed... if only they could lose the political side of things...
[02:55] <Choubaka> +because
[02:55] <forsaker8k6> does anyone know if tehre will be a debian port for x86_64?
[02:55] <Choubaka> and +correctothermistakes.
[02:55] <lunitik> foreach: there already is
[02:55] <Choubaka> :p
[02:55] <forsaker8k6> O_o
[02:55] <queuetue> Markrian, Nice, but 3 years out of date...
[02:55] <Choubaka> :P
[02:55] <Choubaka> Stable is.
[02:56] <Choubaka> You take debian and customise it to your needs
[02:56] <lunitik> forsaker8k6: ia64 = x86_64
[02:56] <Choubaka> like linux from scratch, just not as low-level
[02:56] <forsaker8k6> or tnk you lunitik
[02:57] <forsaker8k6> i'll try it someday
[02:57] <cionuser> hi need help with wlan drivers can someone help me?
[02:57] <Shufla> ok
[02:57] <Shufla> byebye :)
[02:57] <karl> does anyone know what version of ndiswrapper is in the 5.04 release?
[02:57] <Fab2> cionuser: well try
[02:57] <karl> ndiswrapper doesnt' seem to have a --version or -v
[02:57] <cionuser> ok thx
[02:57] <cionuser> here my specs
[02:57] <megamind> where can i find sources.list file on web ? any idea
[02:57] <Markrian> queuetue, fyi, Debian unstable (don't take the name literally) contains many core packages that are more up-to-date than Hoary has now
[02:58] <Fab2> karl: you mean on cd, or in the repos
[02:58] <cionuser> 802.11b 11mps wireless LAN usb adapter
[02:58] <Fab2> megamind: what do you need it for?
[02:58] <lunitik> karl: apt-cache show ndiswrapper-source | grep Version
[02:58] <karl> well, in the repos.  I found out earlier that it actually isn' t on the cd.
[02:58] <cionuser> how do i install the drivers?
[02:58] <jordanau> freeciv site is slashdotted...
[02:59] <karl> ahh, bah.  it's the 1.0rc2
[02:59] <Fab2> karl:indeed
[02:59] <Fab2> cionuser: doesnt it work with the out of the box ones?
[02:59] <cionuser> i'm sorry i don't udertsand what u saying
[02:59] <cionuser> meaning?
[03:00] <Fab2> cionuser: no dcc here
[03:00] <lunitik> Fab2: he wants to know where to throw the drivers etc...
[03:00] <cionuser> ok sorry
[03:00] <lunitik> cionuser: read the docs in /usr/share/docs/ndiswrapper-source
[03:00] <karl> cion: you probably want
[03:00] <karl> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SetupNdiswrapperHowto
[03:00] <karl> at least, that's what I'm working through at the moment
[03:01] <Fab2> but why ndiswrapper, there are native drivers for many chipsets
[03:01] <cionuser> im told ndiswrapper installs win32 drivers, is that stable?
[03:01] <lunitik> Fab2: obviously not his though  ;)
[03:01] <karl> well, there's not native driver for mine.
[03:01] <lunitik> cionuser: yes
[03:01] <Fab2> cionuser: yes, it should be
[03:01] <Amaranth> cionuser: yeah, because it uses WinXP wireless drivers which all have the same interface
[03:01] <lunitik> Amaranth: ndis  *g*
[03:01] <Amaranth> lunitik: :)
[03:02] <cionuser> ok
[03:02] <Fab2> karl: for mine ubuntu was the first one with out-of-the-box support support
[03:02] <Amaranth> Appearently USB drivers will be the same way for Longhorn, that's a little exciting.
[03:02] <karl> lucky you.
[03:02] <cionuser> so ubuntu doesn't support usb adapter on wlan?
[03:02] <lunitik> Amaranth: I'll take your word for it  ;)
[03:02] <lunitik> cionuser: it does... via ndiswrapper
[03:02] <Fab2> karl: i did the hand compile on debian sarge, pita
[03:03] <karl> no firewire/usb2 support for my harddrive out of the box, no wireless out of the box, no standby out of the box and I've not tried my usb-serial adaptor for my gps yet.
[03:03] <Amaranth> lunitik: I have a USB printer that isn't supported by linux. :)
[03:03] <lunitik> Amaranth: you suck
[03:03] <lunitik> Amaranth: should have looked into it before buying  8)
[03:03] <Fab2> karl: but it did eventually work out after an afternoon spent figuring out how to do it
[03:04] <tranxmizia> hello, i'm an ubuntu user from italy
[03:04] <membreya> god..my only hardware that doesnt work out of the box is the webcam :P
[03:04] <Amaranth> lunitik: Well, I found an RPM of a driver for it and appearently ubuntu already has it installed but when I try to print nothing happens. No errors, no print queue window, nothing.
[03:04] <forsaker8k6> tranxmizia: i'm italian too :D
[03:04] <membreya> well .. i needed to tweak some of my hardware settings ;)
[03:04] <cionuser> will ndiwrapper work even if my usb device is not listed?
[03:04] <Fab2> i've not even tried printing yet
[03:04] <lunitik> Amaranth: I still think it is humorous though when people say 'XP supports it' just cuz there are drivers for XP on the setup discs... if you had to install drivers yourself, XP doesn't support it  ;)
[03:04] <cionuser> italian here too
[03:04] <Fab2> cionuser: look at the ndiswrapper page
[03:04] <forsaker8k6> wow.. this place is italian-infested
[03:04] <forsaker8k6> :D
[03:04] <cionuser> i did
[03:04] <Amaranth> lunitik: XP supports it without installing drivers.
[03:04] <Fab2> it tells you which devices are supported
[03:04] <tranxmizia> hi guys, do u speak italian?
[03:05] <cionuser> yes i do
[03:05] <forsaker8k6> zi
[03:05] <cionuser> bella :D
[03:05] <Amaranth> This is an English chat, for Italian join #ubuntu-it
[03:05] <cionuser> oh
[03:05] <Fab2> lol
[03:05] <membreya> meanie bum Amaranth :P
[03:05] <Amaranth> heh
[03:05] <cionuser> sorry
[03:05] <Fab2> ich kann ja auch nicht einfach deutsch reden ;)
[03:05] <cionuser> bye all
[03:05] <forsaker8k6> :(
[03:05] <tranxmizia> cool...
[03:05] <tranxmizia> this is my first time in chat with linux
[03:05] <Amaranth> Fab2: #ubuntu-de :)
[03:06] <Fab2> amaranth: :P
[03:06] <tranxmizia> and now i try all software...
[03:06] <forsaker8k6> byez
[03:06] <elcu> tranxmizia: that must have taken a while
[03:07] <karl> ok, so I've added a source for the ndiswrapper .debs.
[03:07] <karl> and i've installed ndiswrapper source from them,
[03:07] <karl> so now apt-cache show ndiswrapper-source shows two entries,
[03:07] <karl> one for 1.1 from ndiswrapper.sf.net, and one for 1.0rc2, form hoary
[03:07] <tranxmizia> it's normal ubuntu make some problem with the account user during the installation???
[03:07] <tranxmizia> sorry but my english is not good
[03:07] <karl> how can I tell which binary is actually being used?
[03:07] <membreya> karl: which ndiswrapper
[03:08] <frank> karl:   which filename
[03:08] <membreya> i win frank :P
[03:08] <karl> it just says /usr/sbin/ndiswrapper
[03:08] <frank> o
[03:08] <sikor_sxe> hey
[03:08] <da_bon_bon> does wine interface with the kernel ? i mean, if i use wine on 2.6.11.7 and on 2.6.12-rc2, will my milage vary, as in installing apps, smooth functioning of apps ??
[03:08] <liable> karl: the source is different from a binary
[03:08] <karl> I can't work out from there which one it came from.
[03:08] <liable> karl: ndiswrapper -v?
[03:08] <karl> ok, well, when it said setting up the source, where did it put it, so I can build it then?
[03:08] <Fab2> karl: remove it, and install from the one you need if -v or --version doesnt work..
[03:09] <karl> it doesn't have a -v
[03:09] <karl> I said that a while ago :)
[03:09] <sikor_sxe> how can i set different resolutions in ubuntu and switch through them using alt-ctrl-+/- ?
[03:09] <liable> karl: type 'ndiswrapper -v'
[03:09] <karl> umm, I did?
[03:10] <karl> it doesn't say
[03:10] <da_bon_bon> hey, where is the latest issue of ubuntu traffic ??
[03:10] <lunitik> karl: in the archive... you can probably grab the ndiswrapper-source for breezy, should work just fine...
[03:10] <liable> karl: whereis ndiswrapper
[03:11] <liable> karl: thats a command
[03:11] <karl> ndiswrapper: /usr/src/modules/ndiswrapper /usr/sbin/ndiswrapper /etc/ndiswrapper /usr/share/man/man8/ndiswrapper.8.gz
[03:11] <sikor_sxe> or what is the gnome-tools name for switching resolutions?
[03:11] <lunitik> da_bon_bon: http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~mako/ubuntu-traffic/latest.html
[03:11] <sikor_sxe> the kde one is buggy :(
[03:12] <fabbione> 6
[03:12] <lunitik> karl: /usr/sbin/ndiswrapper -v
[03:12] <lunitik> fabbione: hey... what did you do to -5  ;)
[03:12] <decon> hey can someone please tell me what the cmd for deleting a file is :)?
[03:12] <fabbione> ECHAN
[03:12] <lunitik> decon: rm
[03:12] <decon> thanks
[03:12] <da_bon_bon> lunitik: which is quite old :(
[03:13] <liable> karl: so you have installed a newer version without uninstalling the old one?
[03:13] <lunitik> da_bon_bon: that is the latest  *shrug*
[03:13] <lunitik> fabbione: come again  :)
[03:13] <karl> lunitik: http://www.pastebin.com/272770
[03:13] <lunitik> fabbione: heh... here, complains about not loading VFS ... -4 still works though
[03:13] <karl> liable.
[03:13] <liable> karl:
[03:13] <lunitik> fabbione: (kernel version, I should probably say that  :P )
[03:13] <dwadeer> quick question - how long does hoary install on p4 512 RAM machine 7200 rpm HDD ?
[03:14] <karl> I originally apt-get installed ndiswrapper-utils from hoary repos
[03:14] <karl> turns out that was only 1.02, and I need 1.1 for my card,
[03:14] <lunitik> karl: hah
[03:14] <Fab2> dwadeer: not too long
[03:14] <karl> so I've added a source from ndiswrapper.sf.net
[03:14] <karl> and apt-get installed ndiswrapper-source
[03:14] <Fab2> dwadeer: i got a similar setup ( 256mb more ram)
[03:14] <karl> it said, "setting it up"
[03:14] <karl> but I don't knwo what it really did.
[03:14] <camcorder> dwadeer: that's my box, and it was almost half an hour
[03:14] <elcu> dwadeer: 20 - 30 mins
[03:14] <dwadeer> ok great
[03:15] <camcorder> dwadeer: i did also formatted my hdd though
[03:15] <liable> karl: you need to remove all traces and re-install from source, its in the ndiswrapper docs i believe
[03:15] <Fab2> well, most parts of it are unattended anyway
[03:15] <karl> ok, how would I remove all traces?
[03:15] <Fab2> so
[03:15] <karl> or, if I installed a -source package
[03:15] <dwadeer> is it albe to find a free space on winXP hdd and make a partitions
[03:15] <karl> how do I get the source of out that?
[03:15] <dwadeer> i mean not on wxp partition
[03:16] <dwadeer> just  a free space on the same disk
[03:16] <mHKm> can i install ubuntu on an ntfs file system
[03:16] <elcu> dwadeer: yep
[03:16] <lunitik> karl: make uninstall in the perspective /usr/src dir?
[03:16] <dwadeer> ok
[03:16] <karl> ahh, so that's where it put the source
[03:16] <mHKm> can i install ubuntu on an NTFS file system??
[03:16] <karl> excellent. I should have looked there earlier
[03:16] <dwadeer> thx
[03:16] <Fab2> mHKm no
[03:16] <elcu> mHKm: you want to overwrite the NTFS file system?
[03:16] <Fab2> afaik
[03:16] <karl> mhkm: no, write support for ntfs is wayyy busted
[03:16] <lunitik> karl: in /usr/src/modules/ndiswrapper ... yes
[03:16] <mHKm> what about fat
[03:16] <mHKm> fat32
[03:17] <Choubaka> fat would work
[03:17] <Fab2> mHKm: i suggest ext2 or 3 or reiser
[03:17] <Choubaka> but it's not at all recommendable!
[03:17] <lunitik> mHKm: -t fat32
[03:17] <Choubaka> fat sucks :p
[03:17] <Fab2> choubaka: indeed
[03:17] <mHKm> but i need to install it with my windows
[03:17] <Fab2> mHKm: look at the dual boot howto
[03:17] <eaon> installing linux on fat? that's likely to cause some problems
[03:17] <Choubaka> mHKm: you can have a separate partition for it.
[03:17] <Fab2> you need to make a second partition for it
[03:17] <lunitik> Choubaka: most PC's still have to interface with FAT  :/
[03:18] <Choubaka> :/
[03:18] <lunitik> (it is not a Microsoft specific fs)
[03:18] <mHKm> but i have to format my hard disk to make a new partition
[03:18] <Choubaka> And they use fat on USB mass storages -_-
[03:18] <Fab2> i have one fat32 partition *shame*
[03:18] <Fab2> mHKm: no, you can defrag and then use the free space to form a new partition
[03:18] <eaon> mHKm: no - there are tools for resizing the current partitions
[03:18] <Fab2> lol
[03:18] <mHKm> like partition magic?
[03:18] <Fab2> mHKm: yes
[03:18] <eaon> exactly
[03:18] <lunitik> mHKm: gparted  8)
[03:18] <Fab2> stupid echo :P
[03:19] <lunitik> Fab2: hah
[03:19] <elcu> lunitik: does gparted have NTFS support?
[03:19] <mHKm> where can i download it?
[03:19] <Fab2> eaon: just kidding of course ;)
[03:19] <eaon> Fab2: thanks to irc, i see you as my echo anyway ;)
[03:19] <Fab2> mHKm: i recommend partition magic if you have it, its simpler for noobs
[03:19] <mHKm> any link for partition magic
[03:19] <JoshuaSyd> can anyone give me the internet info on how to install linux as server?
[03:20] <JoshuaSyd> can anyone give me the internet info on how to install linux as server?
[03:20] <Fab2> mHKm: its not free toh
[03:20] <mHKm> k
[03:20] <elcu> mHKm: there isn't a free version. legally.
[03:20] <JoshuaSyd> ubuntu system i mean
[03:20] <Fab2> at boot prompt, type server
[03:20] <nebyeti> JoshuaSyd : google has something i'm sure :)
[03:20] <Fab2> and then press enter
[03:20] <Choubaka> I ignored the "info" completely.
[03:20] <JoshuaSyd> oh
[03:20] <mHKm> i was using mandrake and i decited to try ubuntu i hope its better
[03:21] <Choubaka> So no, I can't give you the internet ;P
[03:21] <JoshuaSyd> hmmm isn't there any info from the ubuntulinux site?
[03:21] <elcu> mHKm: you can just overwrite the mandrake paritions.
[03:21] <mHKm> me 2
[03:21] <mHKm> i have already format it
[03:21] <Fab2> joshua: what exactly do you need?
[03:21] <mHKm> do u 1 know how long take to reveive free ubuntu cd rom
[03:21] <elcu> mHKm: use mandrake to partition, reset before the install step, then install ubuntu :)
[03:22] <mHKm> receive*
[03:22] <Fab2> depends on where you are, i guess
[03:22] <mHKm> thanks elcu
[03:22] <JoshuaSyd> Fab2: to install apache2 and server in ubuntu... i installed apache2 already, just don't know how to configure it and stuff
[03:23] <mHKm> do any 1 know how long take to receive free ubuntu cd rom
[03:23] <mHKm> do any 1 know how long take to receive free ubuntu cd rom
[03:23] <Fab2> joshua: well, install apache2 and php and what else you need, and the rest isnt ubuntu specific but apache id say ;)
[03:23] <nj> mHKm: forever
[03:23] <mHKm> !!!
[03:23] <Fab2> and have a look at the server section at ubuntuforums.org
[03:23] <JoshuaSyd> oh.. okok
[03:23] <lunitik> mHKm: repeating is a sure way to be ignored, please stop
[03:23] <JoshuaSyd> alright
[03:23] <JoshuaSyd> i'll have a look
[03:23] <JoshuaSyd> thx Fab2
[03:23] <elcu> mHKm: it depends on where you are.  i've been told my hoary will take 10 weeks.  so i'm looking for someone to burn the ISO
[03:23] <mHKm> so there r no free cd roms??!!
[03:23] <lunitik> mHKm: remember, they are giving you those CD's FOR FREE, stop complaining
[03:24] <jc> hi can someone help me out setting up screen resolution ... im running hoarty ... have an onboard videocard i810 driver
[03:24] <bob2> mHKm: they should be out in a few weeks
[03:24] <elcu> mHKm: there are.  apparently verifying the addresses takes a while
[03:24] <lunitik> mHKm: you could always go to your local computer shop, and pay up to $200 for install CD's  :/
[03:24] <mHKm> k i ll wait
[03:24] <jc> it seems it only runs on 640x480 =(
[03:24] <mHKm> thanks
[03:25] <mHKm> have any 1 tried mandrake be4??
[03:25] <lunitik> mHKm: yeah, it is a joke  :/
[03:25] <Fab2> jc: do you use the correct driver?
[03:25] <mHKm> lol
[03:25] <pantz> can anyone tell me how to prevent eth0 from trying to come up during boot - i only want my wireless card coming up - ra0
[03:25] <jc> yup
[03:25] <bob2> mHKm: #mandrake would be a better place to ask
[03:25] <mHKm> until now mandrake and suse r the best
[03:25] <Fab2> jc: then edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[03:26] <bob2> pantz: get rid of the 'auto eth0' line from /etc/network/interfaces
[03:26] <pantz> bob2, yeah i tried that but it still tries to come up
[03:26] <Fab2> and add "800x600" or "1024x768" before the other values for every display mode
[03:26] <elcu> lunitik: it's not *that* bad ... for newbies.
[03:26] <da_bon_bon> hey, any whiz at kernel compiling help me a bit ?
[03:26] <jc> i tried but it still doesnt work
[03:26] <zirpubolci> pantz, in mandrake it may be in /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/if-eth0.cfg
[03:26] <pantz> bob2, there is a line in interfaces that mentions hotplug
[03:26] <pantz> and eth0
[03:26] <Fab2> jc: did you restart X ?
[03:26] <elcu> lunitik: plus, it has a nifty disk partitioner.
[03:26] <bob2> da_bon_bon: why are you trying to compile a kernel?
[03:27] <pantz> zirpubolci, yeah its not the same but thanks anyhoo
[03:27] <lunitik> elcu: *shrug*
[03:27] <jc> yup
[03:27] <bob2> pantz: does getting rid of that help?
[03:27] <Fab2> jc: if not, logout, at the login screen press ctrl+alt+del, login again (the screen is supposed to go black for short)
[03:27] <jc> Fab2: yup
[03:27] <da_bon_bon> bob2: because i want a leaner, faster speed kernel..
[03:27] <mHKm> i still using windows for only one reason.... i need a vb compiler
[03:27] <bet0x> what p2p program are available on ubuntu?
[03:27] <Fab2> jc: hmm
[03:27] <lunitik> bob2: morning  (uhh, or evening?)
[03:27] <bob2> da_bon_bon: no, recompiling won't do that
[03:27] <Fab2> jc: 100% sure its the correct driver?
[03:27] <JoshuaSyd> Fab2: why can't i create a folder in my file system disk.???
[03:27] <da_bon_bon> bob2: to take the max. juice outta my piii
[03:27] <da_bon_bon> bob2: not even after i tweak it a bit ?
[03:27] <bob2> da_bon_bon: recompiling is very unlikely to help, sorry
[03:27] <lunitik> JoshuaSyd: no rights
[03:27] <JoshuaSyd> ooo
[03:27] <Fab2> joshua: do you have the permission to do so?
[03:28] <da_bon_bon> bob2: oh ok. idea dropped :(
[03:28] <lunitik> JoshuaSyd: 'sudo mkdir somedir'
[03:28] <jc> Fab2: yes
[03:28] <JoshuaSyd> im not sure
[03:28] <mHKm> is there any vb compiler for linux??
[03:28] <JoshuaSyd> ah
[03:28] <pantz> bob2, well i didn't know whether i should get rid of it - i don't really understand what to get rid of - here is the section ...
[03:28] <pantz> mapping hotplug
[03:28] <pantz>         script grep
[03:28] <pantz>         map eth0
[03:28] <JoshuaSyd> how can i do it inside X ?
[03:28] <Choubaka> mHKm: VB!?
[03:28] <nj> mHKm: google = vb compiler + linux
[03:28] <Fab2> jc: hmm, googling for the gpu returns problems?
[03:28] <lunitik> mHKm: uhh... afaik, monodevelop and co can  :/
[03:28] <pantz> bob2, i don't really understand the mapping stuff
[03:28] <Fab2> joshua: what?
[03:28] <rizla> hi
[03:28] <rizla> i've a problem with key activation..
[03:29] <rizla> can anybody help me?
[03:29] <JoshuaSyd> where can i type sudo mkdir dirname... ?
[03:29] <pantz> rizla, windows?
[03:29] <lunitik> pantz: you could just comment out the line 'map eth0' for now... hotplug likely is loading your nix
[03:29] <lunitik> nic
[03:29] <JoshuaSyd> sorry guys, i'm noob with linux
[03:29] <jc> Fab2: yeah
[03:29] <Fab2> joshua: terminal
[03:29] <da_bon_bon> rizla: ask dont ask to ask
[03:29] <Fab2> jc: solutions for the problems too
[03:29] <Fab2> ?
[03:29] <lunitik> JoshuaSyd: no need to tell us that... ;)
[03:29] <mHKm> what r the differances between Ubuntu Hoary Hedgehog 5.04 and Ubuntu Warty Warthog 4.10
[03:29] <pantz> lunitik, ok thanks
[03:29] <karl> can anyone explain why sudo ndiswrapper -l hangs?
[03:29] <pantz> will try it out
[03:29] <rizla> when i give sudo gpg --export 1F41B907 >/etc/apt/marillat.key
[03:29] <Fab2> mHKm: newer version
[03:29] <Fab2> lol
[03:29] <Choubaka> "Sorry, do you mind if I ask a question?" is stupid :)
[03:29] <bob2> lunitik: 2330 or so
[03:30] <mHKm> thanks
[03:30] <rizla> it says: bash: /etc/apt/marillat.key: Permission denied
[03:30] <Choubaka> Because you already asked a question.
[03:30] <lunitik> pantz: comments are never bad... removing things entirely _can_ be though  ;)
[03:30] <da_bon_bon> rizla: add "sudo" before the complete command
[03:30] <Fab2> rizla: did you add marillats key to your keyring?
[03:30] <pantz> lunitik, yep
[03:30] <lunitik> bob2: I'll never keep up with Aussie time  :P
[03:30] <bob2> JoshuaSyd: open up a terminal, from applications -> system -> terminal
[03:30] <JoshuaSyd> bob2: i did that sudo mkdir...
[03:30] <bob2> rizla: sudo sh -c "gpg --export 1F41B907 >/etc/apt/marillat.key"
[03:30] <lunitik> bob2: or right click desktop > open terminal  :P
[03:30] <JoshuaSyd> bob2: but i can't find the dir now
[03:31] <Fab2> joshua: cd is for changing dir
[03:31] <pantz> karl, there is an ndiswrapper howto on the ubuntu wiki you could try
[03:31] <JoshuaSyd> hmmm how do i access dir from terminal?
[03:31] <da_bon_bon> rizla: or, alternatively, do all that in a "root terminal" from app -> system
[03:31] <dcooper> im running hoary and have been going through the howtos and forums to get ndiswrapper working with a broadcom chipset, it looks like i have most of it configured, but when i do an iwconfig, it doesnt return any mac address for the access point and i have no access. Does anyone have any ideas?
[03:31] <bob2> JoshuaSyd: "access dir"?  where did you create the directory?
[03:31] <karl> pantz: that ndsiwrapper howto is what I'v ebeen going through
[03:31] <Fab2> joshua: cd ~ = home dir of current user , cd .. = one dir up, cd /home = /home , cd home = folder home in the current folder
[03:31] <pantz> karl, oops :/
[03:31] <karl> I've now successfully got the 1.1 ndiswrapper :)
[03:32] <rizla> bob2, gpg: WARNING: unsafe ownership on configuration file "/home/rizla/.gnupg/gpg.conf"
[03:32] <JoshuaSyd> Fab2: ohh let me try that
[03:32] <Choubaka> Fab2: directory ;P
[03:32] <lunitik> karl: \o/
[03:32] <pantz> karl, did you try the ndiswrapper stuff in synaptic b4?
[03:32] <karl> no.
[03:32] <Fab2> Fab2: sry, windows habit :P
[03:32] <Choubaka> :D
[03:32] <Fab2> argh
[03:32] <Fab2> Choubaka *
[03:32] <Choubaka> Yeah, I know.
[03:32] <pantz> maybe that would do the job for you
[03:32] <Fab2> i think i need a break,lol
[03:32] <lunitik> Fab2: talking to yourself is the first sign of insanity ya know  :P
[03:32] <JoshuaSyd> lol
[03:32] <Choubaka> Then I am insane.
[03:33] <Choubaka> I don't mind it
[03:33] <Fab2> lunitik: i up for 9 hours straight doing nothing than school and computer work, dont blame me ;)
[03:33] <pantz> just install the two packages that come up when you search ndis in synaptic - and try it again
[03:33] <Fab2> im*
[03:33] <lunitik> Choubaka: sanity is overrated
[03:33] <bob2> rizla: indeedy
[03:33] <Choubaka> Yeah.
[03:33] <pantz> thats all i needed to do to get ndiswrapper working
[03:33] <Fab2> anyway, i think im really gone now
[03:33] <pantz> karl, what is your chipset?
[03:33] <Fab2> cya in an hour or two :P
[03:33] <dcooper> pantz what chipset is wlan0
[03:34] <karl> bcm4306
[03:34] <karl> same as the guy who wrote the ndis wrapper howto
[03:34] <pantz> dcooper, mmm that is jus tthe name linux gives the interface - the chipset would be something like rt2500 or prism2 or something like that
[03:34] <dcooper> yah, pantz i have the broadcom chipset
[03:34] <dcooper> 4306 or sumptin
[03:34] <dcooper> have 2 look
[03:34] <karl> dcooper?
[03:35] <karl> what name is it
[03:35] <karl> dell 1350?
[03:35] <pantz> karl, oh ok - the guy mentions that the ubuntu ndiswrapper packages are no good for that chipset so you are right in building it yourself
[03:35] <rizla> Fab2, how can i add marillats key to your keyring
[03:35] <dcooper> nah, i have a linksys wpm54gs using the broadcom
[03:35] <karl> pantz: hehe
[03:35] <karl> still, even after building it, ndiswrapper -l hangs :)
[03:35] <JoshuaSyd> Fab2: how to see the files in current folder.... such as in windows dir/w
[03:36] <JoshuaSyd> waks
[03:36] <JoshuaSyd> Fabs' gone
[03:36] <pantz> dcooper, look in /etc/network/interfaces for the line with wlan0 - what is the chipset on that line?
[03:36] <JoshuaSyd> guys... how to see the files in current folder in terminal... what command do i type?
[03:36] <pantz> karl, did you get any errors in building ndiswrapper?
[03:36] <karl> nope
[03:36] <karl> ndiswrapper -i and -e seem to work
[03:36] <jordanau> is the ls
[03:36] <karl> but -l doesn't
[03:36] <elcu> JoshuaSyd: ls or ls -l
[03:36] <pantz> mmmm
[03:36] <JoshuaSyd> ooo
[03:36] <karl> my card shows up, and tries to get a dhcp offer,
[03:36] <JoshuaSyd> let me try... thx jordanau and elcu
[03:37] <rizla> i'm sorry but can somebody help me in pvt..?
[03:37] <lunitik> dcooper: then your module should be 'bcm4306' ... look into that... maybe 'modprobe bcm4306'
[03:37] <karl> but it doesn't seem to really be working, iwlist scanning doesn't show anything.
[03:37] <karl> bcm 4306 is the same chipset as me.
[03:37] <pantz> did you 'sudo modprobe ndiswrapper'?
[03:37] <karl> so if you've been following, you'll notice that nothing in the default hoary will work.
[03:38] <karl> pantz: yeah, followed all the steps, I generally have a reasonable idea of what I'm trying to achieve, it's just when it all falls on the floor that I get lost.
[03:38] <mHKm> does ubuntu support arabic language
[03:39] <mHKm> does ubuntu support arabic language?
[03:39] <pantz> yeah sorry - but when it works for the install options but not for the 'list' option - i don't really know how to help :(
[03:39] <karl> yeah, that's cool :)
[03:40] <JoshuaSyd> guys.... i'm inside my document in terminal... i want to change permission for the current folder... is there any global 'Sudo' command so i can take control of all folders in my system?
[03:40] <karl> I'm not even sure if it's a problem that the list doesn't work, I just think it probably is,
[03:40] <karl> seeing as I can't get the card to actually work.
[03:40] <mHKm> does ubuntu support arabic language???????
[03:40] <mHKm> does ubuntu support arabic language??
[03:40] <bob2> JoshuaSyd: what are you trying to do?
[03:40] <karl> mhkm no
[03:40] <karl> it doesn't
[03:40] <mHKm> k
[03:40] <karl> and it doesn't support you either
[03:40] <karl> it ight
[03:41] <karl> it probably supports utf8
[03:41] <karl> which supports arabic
[03:41] <karl> you need to be a LOT more specific
[03:41] <mHKm> karl: and it doesn't support you either :-(
[03:41] <karl> nope :)
[03:41] <karl> doesn't seem to be :)
[03:41] <lizdeika> lol wtf
[03:41] <mHKm> :-)
[03:41] <bob2> karl: dude
[03:41] <bob2> please don't
[03:42] <JoshuaSyd> bob2: when im in a folder properties, it says "You are not the owner, so you can't change these permissions" .... can i use sudo somecommand ... so i can have permissions for all my folders?
[03:42] <bob2> JoshuaSyd: what folder in particular are you thinking of?
[03:42] <dcooper> man chmod
[03:42] <JoshuaSyd> any folders
[03:42] <JoshuaSyd> my documents
[03:42] <JoshuaSyd> root folder
[03:42] <JoshuaSyd> man chmod?
[03:42] <bob2> JoshuaSyd: see
[03:43] <bob2> JoshuaSyd: you don't want to be screwing with them
[03:43] <MerengueMan> Hi,did anybody install mplayer-586 ?
[03:43] <JoshuaSyd> bob2: hmmm oh ic ic, i also want to share my folder in my local network.... can u assist how can i do that?
[03:44] <sikor_sxe> how can i swith screenresolution in hoary?
[03:44] <theine> Is it likely that metacity will feature window edge resistance any time soon?
[03:44] <segfault2k> hi
[03:44] <sikor_sxe> it used to be alt-ctrl-+
[03:44] <segfault2k> http://ktown.kde.cl/~segfault/splashy/ubuntusplashy/
[03:44] <segfault2k> how it's :D
[03:45] <Amaranth> sikor_sxe: Ctrl-Alt-Numpad+
[03:46] <JoshuaSyd> bob2: what about sharing files within the local network... how to set folder so i can share it within the local WORKGROUP?
[03:46] <dcooper> joshuaSyd check out samba
[03:46] <sikor_sxe> Amaranth: hmm, doesn't work. can i do this using a tool?
[03:47] <Amaranth> sikor_sxe: Let me guess, you're stuck in 640x480
[03:47] <sikor_sxe> Amaranth: nope i'm stuck at 1024x768, and i want to enable 800x600
[03:48] <Amaranth> sikor_sxe: sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[03:48] <segfault2k> -phigh?
[03:48] <Amaranth> oh, wait
[03:48] <Amaranth> System->Preferences->Screen Resolution
[03:48] <Amaranth> can you change it there?
[03:49] <sikor_sxe> i'm using kubuntu :/
[03:49] <Amaranth> segfault2k: Yeah, question priority high. iirc that means it lets you choose which resolutions are supported on your own.
[03:49] <sikor_sxe> what is this gnome tool called?
[03:49] <Amaranth> sikor_sxe: Sucks to be you. :P
[03:49] <segfault2k> oh =D
[03:49] <Amaranth> sikor_sxe: #kubuntu is the place for kubuntu questions
[03:49] <segfault2k> sikor_sxe: :P
[03:49] <sikor_sxe> well, the kde solution is buggy here
[03:49] <sikor_sxe> i wonder wether gnome works better
[03:50] <Amaranth> gnome-display-properties
[03:50] <sikor_sxe> ok, thanks
[03:51] <MerengueMan> Help
[03:51] <segfault2k> http://ktown.kde.cl/~segfault/splashy/ubuntusplashy/ how is it?
[03:52] <MerengueMan> i need urgent help installing mplayer can somebody help
[03:52] <cionuser> hey guys need help with ndiswrapper
[03:52] <JoshuaSyd> guys... what the chmod <value> so i can share the folder within local network?
[03:52] <sikor_sxe> synatpic won't find gnome-display-properties
[03:52] <JoshuaSyd> guys... what the chmod <value> so i can share the folder within local network?
[03:52] <cionuser> i cant install it :(
[03:52] <karl> cion: how did you try?
[03:52] <cionuser> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SetupNdiswrapperHowto
[03:53] <segfault2k> MerengueMan: apt-get install mplayer-686
[03:53] <segfault2k> or k7
[03:53] <segfault2k> or 586
[03:53] <cionuser> nothing goes right
[03:53] <segfault2k> etc.
[03:53] <JoshuaSyd> ...
[03:53] <paulproteus> sikor_sxe: I suggest apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[03:53] <paulproteus> That way, you'll have both the regular Ubuntu base packages and the base Kubuntu ones.
[03:53] <paulproteus> That is to say, I suggest installing ubuntu-desktop from Synaptic.
[03:54] <JoshuaSyd> guys.. what's the chmod value for a specific folder i want to share within local area network?
[03:54] <sikor_sxe> paulproteus, that'll be alot of tools, right?
[03:54] <paulproteus> sikor_sxe: Yes.  A boatload of stuff.
[03:54] <karl> cion: what card/chipset do you have?
[03:54] <cionuser> i can't install ndiswrapper, is that the only way o install a wlan ?
[03:55] <karl> no, you only want ndiswrapper if there are no native drivers for your card
[03:55] <dcooper> cion unless its natively supported card, but im struggling with it right now also
[03:55] <karl> dcooper: you've got the bcm4306 right?
[03:56] <dcooper> yeah
[03:56] <karl> how far have you gotten?
[03:56] <cionuser> can i show u my terminal comands?
[03:56] <dcooper> i tried the apt repositories, didnt work, compiled on my own
[03:56] <cionuser> dcc
[03:56] <dcooper> have it in
[03:56] <karl> I can get mine "up" and sending dhcpdiscovers, but it can't see the AP, or anything useful.
[03:56] <dcooper> and recognized
[03:56] <karl> yeah, that's where I'm up to.
[03:56] <dcooper> but when i do iwconfig it doesnt see a mac addy for my access point
[03:56] <karl> does ndiswrapper -l work for you?
[03:56] <dcooper> and wont allow me to even ping my router
[03:56] <karl> that's about exactly the same point I'm stuck at
[03:57] <cionuser> i got 802.11b 11mps wireless LAN usb adapter
[03:57] <spine> Hi everyone has anyone installed skype on hoary? had a question about it
[03:57] <dcooper> when i do ndiswrapper -l, i get:  Installed ndis drivers:
[03:57] <dcooper> wmp54gs driver present, hardware present
[03:58] <karl> hmm, ndiswrapper -l hangs for me :(
[03:58] <cionuser> so i got no way ro install wlan?
[03:58] <karl> and sudo iwconfig wlan0 channel/essid don't seem to have any effect
[03:59] <dcooper> it hung for me, when i downloaded the drivers from the net, but when i extracted wmp54gs driver from the disc, it seems to go a little farther
[03:59] <karl> hmm.
[03:59] <karl> there does seem to be a multitude of drivers available
[03:59] <dcooper> im thinking about returning this card and finding one that is opensource and natively connected
[03:59] <karl> even for the dell card that I have, there are multiple versions listed
[03:59] <Burgundavia> dcooper, dlink 650+ works ootb for me
[04:00] <cionuser> help :(
[04:00] <dcooper> thx burgundavia
[04:01] <cionuser> can some1 help me with ndiswrapper pliz?
[04:01] <cionuser> how come every time i ask  for help i get different answers all the time
[04:01] <cionuser> and none works:(
[04:01] <Amaranth> because we aren't the borg :)
[04:01] <dcooper> cionuser, thats part of the fun
[04:02] <Amaranth> i've never used it, so i dunno
[04:02] <cionuser> i aint having no fun 30 mins to install a damn wirless adapter
[04:02] <dcooper> ive spent 4 hours
[04:02] <cionuser> i'm kinda pissed off :(
[04:02] <cionuser> yeah well i gotta go to work too
[04:03] <dcooper> yup, me 2
[04:03] <cionuser> i dont have 4 hours to spend to get to check my email
[04:03] <Amaranth> cionuser: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SetupNdiswrapperHowto/ ?
[04:04] <cionuser> yeah im in to it
[04:04] <dcooper> just be glad ur not running gentoo, it really teaches u patience
[04:04] <cionuser> root@ubuntu:/home/cionuser # cd..
[04:04] <cionuser> bash: cd..: command not found
[04:04] <cionuser> root@ubuntu:/home/cionuser # cd /usr/src
[04:04] <cionuser> root@ubuntu:/usr/src # tar -xvf ndiswrapper-1.1.tar.gz
[04:04] <cionuser> tar: Questo non sembra un archivio tar
[04:04] <cionuser> tar: Salto alla prossima intestazione
[04:04] <cionuser> tar: L'archivio contiene header base-64 obsolescenti
[04:04] <cionuser> tar: Read 2241 bytes from ndiswrapper-1.1.tar.gz
[04:04] <cionuser> tar: Uscita per errore ritardata dall'errore precedente
[04:04] <cionuser> root@ubuntu:/usr/src # dir
[04:04] <cionuser> ndiswrapper-1.1.tar.gz  rpm
[04:04] <cionuser> root@ubuntu:/usr/src # tar -xzvf ndiswrapper-1.1.tar.gz
[04:04] <cionuser> ndiswrapper-1.1/
[04:04] <cionuser> ndiswrapper-1.1/AUTHORS
[04:04] <cionuser> ndiswrapper-1.1/ChangeLog
[04:04] <cionuser> ndiswrapper-1.1/INSTALL
[04:04] <cionuser> ndiswrapper-1.1/Makefile
[04:04] <cionuser> ndiswrapper-1.1/README
[04:04] <cionuser> ndiswrapper-1.1/ndiswrapper.spec
[04:04] <cionuser> ndiswrapper-1.1/version
[04:04] <cionuser> ndiswrapper-1.1/ndiswrapper.8
[04:04] <cionuser> ndiswrapper-1.1/utils/
[04:04] <karl> hmm, bitchin.
[04:04] <cionuser> ndiswrapper-1.1/utils/Makefile
[04:04] <cionuser> ndiswrapper-1.1/utils/ndiswrapper
[04:04] <snader> .
[04:04] <karl> pastebin ahoy!
[04:04] <cionuser> ndiswrapper-1.1/utils/loadndisdriver.c
[04:04] <Amaranth> cionuser: Ignored.
[04:04] <cionuser> ndiswrapper-1.1/utils/ndiswrapper-buginfo
[04:06] <karl> so can anyone tell me why I cna't restart hotplug?
[04:07] <Amaranth> karl: Not without more info.
[04:07] <karl> well, it hangs.
[04:07] <karl> and ther'es nothing in syslog
[04:07] <Amaranth> no clue
[04:08] <ratty> how do i browse to my NTFS partitions in ubuntu?
[04:08] <Amaranth> ratty: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[04:08] <ratty> thanks amaranth
[04:08] <Hmmmm> anyone got any good repositories for hoary?
[04:09] <Amaranth> Hmmmm: For what?
[04:09] <ratty> the link to mount my ntfs partitions
[04:10] <Hmmmm> Amaranth, i just installed hoary RC, and i want apps
[04:10] <Hmmmm> i want mp3 support
[04:10] <Hmmmm> beagle
[04:10] <Hmmmm> mono
[04:10] <Hmmmm> dvd codecs
[04:10] <Hmmmm> vlc
[04:10] <Bazzi> Hmmmm lookup marillat repository
[04:11] <Hmmmm> the works
[04:11] <Hmmmm> and btw the extra repositories given on ubuntuguide.org dont work
[04:11] <Amaranth> http://beaglewiki.org/index.php/UbuntuInstall
[04:11] <Amaranth> that plus marillat and universe
[04:12] <gustav_> Hmmmm: I'd recommend ubuntu backports project http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/
[04:12] <Amaranth> don't upgrade to breezy afterward though, all that stuff breaks
[04:12] <FreezerX> I am looking for the docu about the meaning of the repositories and can't find it on ubuntulinux.org.
[04:12] <vasi> as long as you're on i386....grrr
[04:12] <Amaranth> ubuntu backports project was the cause of a lot of warty->hoary upgrade problems, wasn't it?
[04:13] <Hmmmm> gustav_, thanks
[04:13] <gustav_> Amaranth: They have improved a lot and there shouldn't be any problems
[04:13] <riji> hey! I got this wierd problem: Wlan-card drops the IT connection :S never happend when i had Warty + ndiswrapper
[04:13] <Amaranth> FreezerX: main is supported and Free, restricted is supported (limited) and binary-only (ati and nvidia drivers), multiverse is unsupported and binary-only, universe is unsupported and everything that wasn't in the other 3
[04:14] <riji> how can i chose to use ndiswrapper in horay?
[04:14] <Amaranth> riji: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SetupNdiswrapperHowto/
[04:15] <riji> thx m8!
[04:15] <FreezerX> Amaranth, thank you :)
[04:15] <JasonCY> Morning all
[04:17] <kkathman> morning all :)
[04:18] <JasonCY> yo
[04:18] <elcu> kkathman: technically, yes.  00:18 here in aus.
[04:19] <kkathman> hehe elcu
[04:19] <calavera> sony did it again. i just bought a wireless keyboard/mouse from them and the mouse buttons do not work with linux. amazing. i thought HID was basically unfuckupable.
[04:20] <kkathman> anyone here using wine on ubuntu?
[04:20] <JasonCY> yeah
[04:20] <kkathman> JasonCY: do you know where the config file is located under ubuntu?
[04:21] <kkathman> or ablyss ?
[04:21] <Amaranth> kkathman: ~/.wine/?
[04:21] <JasonCY> yesh ^^
[04:21] <kkathman> Amaranth: I did a sudo install
[04:21] <Amaranth> kkathman: You need the winesetuptk package to create the initial config.
[04:21] <kkathman> ahh
[04:21] <kkathman> thats a separate install?
[04:22] <Amaranth> install the package, run wine (no extra arguments), and choose the configure wine option
[04:22] <Amaranth> yeah
[04:22] <kkathman> ohh ok
[04:22] <kkathman> thanks :)
[04:23] <kkathman> Amaranth: Once that installs, do I "run" it or will it just execute on install?
[04:23] <ablyss> i downloaded the sorce of 20050211 and built... i find it less buggy than the latest wine off the ubuntu repository
[04:23] <Amaranth> kkathman: Read what I said again. :)
[04:24] <kkathman> ahh I didnt see that Amaranth sorry :)
[04:24] <ablyss> relativley easy to build.. just need to install gcc,flex,x11 dev libs,bison, and whatever else
[04:26] <sageek> Any reason why beep-media-player won't play MP3s under fresh new ubuntu?
[04:26] <Bazzi> because mp3 codec isnt installed? :)
[04:26] <salvestrini> good morning
[04:26] <ablyss> because ubuntu doesn't ship with mp3 codec
[04:26] <sageek> hrm, when i apt'get'd the beep media player
[04:26] <sageek> he didn't installed one? :P
[04:26] <salvestrini> i have a little problem
[04:27] <sageek> by the way so far ubuntu is really cute!
[04:27] <ablyss> gm salvestrini
[04:27] <sageek> can i just apt-get the mp3 codec?
[04:27] <wezzer> sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[04:27] <wezzer> that's the command
[04:27] <wezzer> use it
[04:27] <ablyss> on the universal repositories probably
[04:28] <wezzer> yes, you have to enable universe first
[04:28] <sageek> yea i did
[04:28] <sageek> need deps
[04:28] <salvestrini> i would like to set up a program in such a way that it runs for two minutes every five minutes. this is a program that controls my laptop's fan, in case it sounds confusing
[04:28] <sageek> doesn't apt-get get his deps automaticly?
[04:29] <sageek> I'm new to this apt :oP
[04:29] <ablyss> while $(sleep 5m) ; do sleep 2m ; check_fan.sh ; done
[04:29] <sageek> apt doesn't install automaticlly his deps?
[04:30] <SeamusLP> Has anyone tried out freeciv 2.0 yet?
[04:30] <JoshuaSyd> hi guys
[04:30] <sageek> wezzer?
[04:30] <JoshuaSyd> can you actually upgrade from warty 4.10 to hoary 5.04 ?
[04:30] <ablyss> hi joshua
[04:31] <andrew__> has anyone successfully setup 3D accel on hoary that can help me (ATI card)_
[04:31] <SeamusLP> andrew__:  Have you followed the binary driver guide in the wiki?
[04:31] <ek_> you can update from warty, yes
[04:31] <andrew__> SeamusLP, yes
[04:31] <sageek> seems like X supported my ati card by default
[04:31] <sageek> and glxgears shows high fps
[04:31] <beyond> hi all !!! can anyone tell me if there is a good library to develop reports which allow me export the report to many file types ? such pdf, html, csv, etc...
[04:31] <andrew__> sageek, how high ?
[04:32] <SeamusLP> andrew__:  What error are you getting?
[04:32] <andrew__> i should be getting around 7000
 can you actually upgrade from warty 4.10 to hoary 5.04 ?
[04:32] <sageek> around 7000 ?!
[04:32] <andrew__> SeamusLP, well, I just removed everything I did last night to try again
[04:32] <sageek> I get around 2000 ~
[04:32] <andrew__> sageek, yes, I hav ea 9700 pro
[04:32] <sageek> I have 9600 pro
[04:32] <andrew__> and what do you get ?
[04:32] <andrew__> make sure you cover it up with the terminal to get a better reading
[04:33] <sageek> 2290 frames in 5.0 seconds = 458.000 FPS
[04:33] <sageek> 2600 ~
[04:33] <andrew__> then you don't have 3D accel working
[04:33] <andrew__> lol
[04:33] <sageek> bluh
[04:33] <sageek> could be, never had time to checked
[04:33] <sageek> just finished installing :P
[04:33] <sageek> tho he does uses ati driver and so
[04:33] <andrew__> SeamusLP, have you set it up successfully ?
[04:34] <mikeco> i use ati binary on 5, but not on 4
[04:34] <mikeco> but it was pretty straight forward
[04:34] <sageek> then what is the 'ati' driver matchend on xorg.conf?
[04:34] <andrew__> mikeco, you installed the xorg-fglrx-driver ?
[04:34] <mikeco> yeah, on hoary
[04:34] <andrew__> mikeco, and your 3D accel works ?
[04:34] <andrew__> did you use -dev ?
[04:34] <mikeco> no.
[04:34] <SeamusLP> andrew__:  I'm running nvidia.  And without an error message and an xorg.conf I can't really help you
[04:35] <andrew__> SeamusLP, well, there's no error; it just won't work
[04:35] <andrew__> lol
[04:35] <andrew__> it isn't using fglrx, I think
[04:35] <andrew__> mikeco, did you run through fglrxconfig ?
[04:35] <kkathman> ahhh crap...I just put it in my win box...same thing...I think I got switched with a colleague..or someone is playing a joke on me..cuz its the same thing!!!
[04:35] <kkathman> arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrggg
[04:35] <mikeco> no
[04:35] <mikeco> i just put fglrx as the driver, and made sure dri was mode 0666
[04:36] <SeamusLP> andrew__:  So xorg doesn't crash on startup?  Have you checked your log, there could be errors in it.
[04:36] <zAo^> when will Firefox 1.0.3 be released for Hoary?
[04:36] <andrew__> mikeco, what card do you have, and what type of fps do you get from glxgears ?
[04:36] <kkathman> ablyss or Amaranth do either of you happen to run Photoshop under wine?  I was just looking for a firsthand testimony
[04:36] <Amaranth> I did, once. :P
[04:36] <Amaranth> It works.
[04:36] <mikeco> couple thousand from glxgears, aiw 9800
[04:36] <kkathman> ok kewl thanks
[04:37] <andrew__> the drivers on synaptic are so old though...
[04:37] <mikeco> about 600 from fgl_glxgears
[04:37] <queuetue> Which kernel should I install to get 64-bit suport for my athlon 64?
[04:37] <andrew__> mikeco, you should be getting MUCH more than that
[04:37] <andrew__> I usually can get 7000 on my 9700 pro
[04:37] <mikeco> i get in the thousands with glxgears
[04:37] <queuetue> Are they in the standard repositories?  Because I'm not seeing one.
[04:37] <andrew__> ooh, fgl; sorry
[04:38] <andrew__> hm...interesting
[04:38] <BockBilbo> byee
[04:38] <andrew__> mikeco, so, you didn't do anything special, just follow everything from the wiki ?
[04:38] <mikeco> yup
[04:38] <queuetue> What is fgl_glxgears, as opposed to normal glxgears?
[04:38] <mikeco> it's easier than it was on slackware
[04:38] <mikeco> queuetue, it's from ati
[04:38] <andrew__> mikeco, I've never had a problem on slackware!
[04:39] <mikeco> andrew__, nor have i
[04:39] <SeamusLP> andrew__:  You should check /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[04:39] <mikeco> but it was still easier, because i didn't have to really do anything
[04:39] <andrew__> SeamusLP, i'm going to try again right now
[04:39] <terry_> hello, sorry to barge into a conversation, but i need to know where should a novice go to learn how to do basic stuff in linux, like downlaod and install software, install printers, etc.
[04:39] <andrew__> the problem is that this ATI driver isn't really "xorg" campatable
[04:39] <andrew__> it's a very old one
[04:39] <mikeco> andrew__, make sure you don't have the xorg conf to use internalagp from ati, and have your kernel agp runing
[04:39] <queuetue> Which repository/kernel am I supposed to install to get 64-bit support on my Athlon 64?
[04:39] <mikeco> running
[04:39] <Bazzi> terry_ there are guides, and this irc channel ;)
[04:40] <SeamusLP> andrew__:  So use the driver in the repository.
[04:40] <JoshuaSyd> can you actually upgrade from warty 4.10 to hoary 5.04 ?
[04:40] <hexmode> terry_: ask a question
[04:40] <JoshuaSyd> can you actually upgrade from warty 4.10 to hoary 5.04 ?
[04:40] <Bazzi> terry_ take ubuntuguide.org as a base
[04:40] <andrew__> SeamusLP, the one in synaptic?  yes, it's old
[04:40] <gustav_> JoshuaSyd: yes
[04:40] <JoshuaSyd> thx gustav_ , how can i possibly do taht?
[04:40] <JoshuaSyd> without reinstalling ubuntu...
[04:41] <terry_> hexmode: thanks
[04:41] <SeamusLP> andrew__:  If you get the version of the driver that worked for you in slack you should be fine.
[04:41] <andrew__> SeamusLP, yes; the driver I compiled in slack is not in the hoary repository
[04:41] <astro76> terry_: http://ubuntuguide.org , http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org , http://www.tldp.org/LDP/intro-linux/html/index.html
[04:41] <gustav_> JoshuaSyd: It's just to change all occurances of warty to hoary in /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:41] <andrew__> ATI just made major imporvements to their x.org support with the newest driver, and i'm sad to see it's not in the hoary repository
[04:42] <gustav_> JoshuaSyd: then sudo apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:42] <terry_> Thanks very much, i have it
[04:42] <Amaranth> andrew__: how long ago did they release it?
[04:42] <andrew__> Amaranth, the better support was near a month ago
[04:42] <andrew__> maybe a little longer
[04:43] <andrew__> the 8.10.XX seriers
[04:43] <andrew__> series*
[04:44] <andrew__> and I thought using a package manager would make thigns easier :(
[04:44] <Burgundavia> andrew__, hoary has been in upstream version freeze for quite some time
[04:44] <JoshuaSyd> gustav_: thanks
[04:44] <JoshuaSyd> how can i update the /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[04:44] <SeamusLP> andrew__:  It does.
[04:45] <mikeco> andrew__, just upgrade the driver yourself
[04:45] <andrew__> mikeco, they only release rpm's
[04:45] <mikeco> ok, convert it
[04:45] <SeamusLP> andrew:  alien -d
[04:45] <mikeco> :-D
[04:45] <gustav_> JoshuaSyd: sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:46] <hexmode> I like aliens
[04:46] <andrew__> i know the newer version is in breezy...
[04:46] <andrew__> any way to use that one ?
[04:47] <wezzer> ain't it easier to go www.getfirefox.com and install it?
[04:47] <SeamusLP> andrew__:  You could perhaps add breezy restricted to your sources
[04:48] <andrew__> mikeco, how did you set internalAGPGART exactly?  did you have to manually add it ?
[04:48] <sageek> hrm, i did install gstreamer0.8-mad tho still beep media player can't play mp3s
[04:48] <Amaranth> beep doesn't use gstreamer, does it?
[04:49] <SeamusLP> sageek:  I don't think beep media player uses gstreamer
[04:49] <sageek> no, it uses mepg something
[04:49] <wezzer> mpeg1243
[04:49] <wezzer> -4
[04:49] <sageek> no way to make it use that gstreamer?
[04:49] <andrew__> ok; i installed fglrx, should I reboot, and then mess with x.org ?
[04:49] <Amaranth> SeamusLP: You don't get a new menu editor, btw. ;)
[04:49] <andrew__> or can I mess with it now
[04:49] <Somebody_> Hello does Ubuntu offer another browser other than Firefox for the GTK/GNOME environment??
[04:50] <sageek> so i can't play mp3s with beep media player?
[04:50] <andrew__> brb
[04:50] <SeamusLP> Amaranth:  Why even put screenshots then :P
[04:50] <sageek> can i make beep media player use gstreamer?
[04:50] <Amaranth> SeamusLP: Well, there is nothing left to do for 0.5 in the app. I just need to figure out how to package PyXDG CVS and gnome-menus CVS from the 2.10 branch.
[04:51] <Amaranth> SeamusLP: Because they fix xdg support bugs that my app exposes.
[04:51] <lunitik> sageek: any reason you're not using Rhythmbox?
[04:51] <sageek> Hebrew file name support
[04:51] <Amaranth> ?
[04:52] <Amaranth> rhythmbox should support all UTF-8 chars
[04:52] <lunitik> sageek: ahh... thats a system thing (locales) ...
[04:52] <gustav_> Somebody_: there's lots of them
[04:52] <thr1ce> mikeco, can I ask you a few questions ?
[04:52] <sageek> hrm, it's gtk-2 or 1
[04:52] <sageek> Rhythmbox
[04:52] <lunitik> sageek: gtk2.0
[04:52] <sageek> so i prolly support
[04:53] <lunitik> sageek: it is the default player in Ubuntu
[04:53] <lunitik> s/player/music player/
[04:53] <sageek> tho it's pretty ugly gui :P
[04:53] <SeamusLP> Amaranth:  I was curious because there are some menu items I have that can't be edited.
[04:53] <sageek> also it doesn't display hebrew.
[04:53] <sageek> and locales are set to he
[04:54] <lunitik> sageek: has a small mode... and a notification area item...
[04:54] <thr1ce> mikeco, where do you add the part to use external AGPGART ?
[04:54] <sageek> hrm, can't i use beep ?
[04:54] <lunitik> sageek: you can... I can't stop you, I'm just making my best effort to do so  :P
[04:55] <sageek> heh
[04:55] <sageek> well i can't see any hebrew support on ryhtmbox
[04:55] <Rydekull> ls
[04:55] <Rydekull> ack
[04:55] <sageek> how can i use beep? it cant play the mps
[04:56] <thr1ce> anyone setup ATI drivers ?
[04:56] <sageek> ati drivers suck it going to make you hate you ever bought ati
[04:56] <sageek> :P
[04:56] <markuman> thr1ce , no, but have try it? how? what errors etc
[04:56] <thr1ce> well, i'm supposed to add an option to x.org, and I don't know where
[04:57] <sageek> ati + linux = suck
[04:57] <sageek> :] 
[04:57] <markuman> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:57] <markuman> look there
[04:57] <thr1ce> i have.
[04:57] <markuman> there is a howto
[04:57] <markuman> but?
[04:57] <thr1ce> Option "UseInternalAGPGART" "no"
[04:57] <sageek> lunitik how can i make bmp work with ubuntu?
[04:57] <FreezerX> I have no problem with my ati card and ubuntu
[04:57] <thr1ce> FreezerX, you use 3d accel?
[04:57] <markuman> have you a nforce board? thr1ce
[04:58] <thr1ce> yes
[04:58] <sageek> FreezerX what driver have u used
[04:58] <lunitik> sageek: I don't use BMP
[04:58] <sageek> Anyone here uses bmp? :p
[04:58] <markuman> thr1ce , join #ati
[04:59] <markuman> bmp???
[04:59] <markuman> whats that?
[04:59] <FreezerX> thr1ce, Radeon 9000 mobility :-) I use the fglrx-driver
[04:59] <sageek> beep media player
[04:59] <stazz> sageek: it sucks.
[04:59] <markuman> no.
[04:59] <zAo^> nope
[04:59] <zAo^> totem here
[04:59] <sageek> well it supports hebrew file names
[04:59] <lunitik> markuman: apt-cache show beep-media-player ... gtk2 port of XMMS
[04:59] <sageek> so it's great :P
[04:59] <stazz> sageek: it's even more buggy than xmms, thus very much more unusable.
[04:59] <FreezerX> I also have a Radeon X800XT, but not yet installed ubuntu on the new system
[04:59] <sageek> What would you suggest? it gotta support hebrew filenames too :P
[04:59] <lunitik> zAo^: Totem for sound?
[04:59] <markuman> lunitik, bmp don't run on my amd64 machine, don't know why
[05:00] <UbuntuGet> I've problems with gdesklets, I can't configure the desklets, why?
[05:00] <zAo^> lunitik, in KDE I use amaroK, in Gnome I use XMMS
[05:00] <buz> is there any way to downgrade from breezy to hoary?
[05:00] <buz> seems like cups is broken in breezy
[05:00] <lunitik> sageek: afaict, Rhythmbox has supported Hebrew since 0.0.8  :/
[05:00] <Amaranth> buz: This is why you don't run devel. :)
[05:00] <zAo^> lunitik, and Totem for video that is ;-)
[05:00] <lunitik> (a long time ago)
[05:00] <buz> daily updates give me warm feelings ;-)
[05:01] <thr1ce> ok; who here actually HAS 3d accel working with an ATI card ?
[05:01] <thr1ce> i'm missing something
[05:01] <lunitik> zAo^: Amarok is fiddly  :/   XMMS is gtk1.x .... ouch @ both
[05:01] <hexmode> th1ce: enabled in Xorg?
[05:01] <buz> but its very weird, breezy has the same cups packages as hoary yet it doesnt work
[05:01] <buz> maybe it's something else that's broken
[05:01] <thr1ce> well, I can't figure out the "useinternalAGPGART" part
[05:01] <zAo^> lunitik, I know, but I hate rhythmbox... better suggestions?
[05:01] <sageek> lunitik sageek: afaict, Rhythmbox has supported Hebrew since 0.0.8  :/
[05:02] <sageek> hrm
[05:02] <sageek> where do i enable it?
[05:02] <sageek> also it pretty ugly gui, ryhtmbox :P
[05:02] <thr1ce> noone here has it working that can help ?
[05:02] <markuman> fuck of different music apps.......the important is that it work ;-)
[05:02] <lunitik> sageek: locales... :/
[05:02] <sageek> locales is set to hebrew dude.
[05:02] <lunitik> sageek: should be hebrew then...
[05:03] <sageek> well
[05:03] <sageek> should :P
[05:03] <lunitik> sageek: file a bug...
[05:03] <zAo^> how can I uninstall packages with apt/dpkg with its dependencies?
[05:04] <markuman> dpkg -i filepath
[05:04] <markuman> or what did you mean???
[05:04] <thr1ce> nobody can help me with ati troubles ?
[05:04] <rizla> hi. can somebody install avidemux?
[05:04] <markuman> join #ati
[05:04] <thr1ce> #ati is dead
[05:04] <zAo^> thr1ce, whats up?
[05:04] <lunitik> zAo^: with dpkg, you can't... apt-get remove (--purge) pkg
[05:04] <markuman> no, it work on me
[05:04] <thr1ce> zAo^, do you have 3d accel working with an ATI card ?
[05:04] <b2s> thr1ce: still? :/
[05:04] <zAo^> thr1ce, yes
[05:04] <markuman> and there a lot of people in #ati
[05:04] <thr1ce> zAo^, may I ask you a few questions ?
[05:04] <lunitik> zAo^: --purge isn't needed, but gets rid of config files too... note they usually don't come back if you choose to reinstall the app
[05:05] <zAo^> lunitik, and that will remove any dependency?
[05:05] <zAo^> thr1ce, shoot
[05:05] <sageek> zao^ you have 3d with ati UNDER LINUX? :P
[05:05] <sageek> May i shake your hand?
[05:05] <zAo^> yup
[05:05] <thr1ce> zAo^, where do I add the option to use external AGPGART  ?
[05:05] <lunitik> zAo^: should... heh... I use debfoster to keep my system clean... apt-get remove pkg only removed things that depend on pkg though
[05:05] <sageek> i never manged to make my 3d work.
[05:05] <zAo^> $ fglrxinfo
[05:05] <zAo^> display: :0.0  screen: 0
[05:05] <zAo^> OpenGL vendor string: ATI Technologies Inc.
[05:05] <zAo^> OpenGL renderer string: RADEON 9600 Generic
[05:05] <zAo^> OpenGL version string: 1.3.5010 (X4.3.0-8.12.10)
[05:06] <lunitik> zAo^: not the other way around..
[05:06] <thr1ce> zAo^, where did you get that driver!
[05:06] <sageek> zao, may i pm you? :oP
[05:06] <b2s> lol, it only took me like 4-5 hours to get ati+3d working on amd64 :P
[05:06] <zAo^> www.ati.com....
[05:06] <zAo^> alien *.rpm
[05:06] <sageek> I have radeon 9600 too
[05:06] <zAo^> thanks lunitik
[05:06] <thr1ce> i've never used alien; what must I do after that ?
[05:06] <greg__> hey guys, is there anyway to change the annoying sounds in KDE? Example, When i maximize and minimize windows.
[05:06] <sageek> tho never manged to make 3d work
[05:06] <thr1ce> or will that install it for me
[05:06] <lunitik> zAo^: hmm... XFree86 still?
[05:06] <b2s> thr1ce: it creates a .deb for you
[05:06] <thr1ce> ok; then how do I install a .deb ?
[05:07] <Amaranth> thr1ce: That'll make a deb, install it with dpkg -i file.deb
[05:07] <zAo^> lunitik, no; hoary: xorg
[05:07] <Amaranth> Make sure you use sudo
[05:07] <lunitik> thr1ce: dpkg -i pkg
[05:07] <greg__> thr1ce, dpkg
[05:07] <lunitik> zAo^: ahh... that looks like an XFree86 driver?
[05:07] <zAo^> it isnt
[05:08] <greg__> anyone know how to turn off the anooying sound when i maximizze and minimize windows?
[05:08] <lenovo> oneleaf: Excuse me.  Are you same with the oneleaf in ubuntu.org.cn?
[05:08] <astro76> greg__: should be in kcontrol
[05:08] <lunitik> greg__: System > Preferences > Sounds  ... turn off System Events all together, or just those specific sounds
[05:08] <lunitik> astro76: he doesn't say KDE, so assume GNOME
[05:08] <oneleaf> lenove yes
[05:08] <thr1ce> zAo^, ok; i install with dpkg -i, and then what, run through fglrxconfig as normal ?
[05:08] <astro76> lunitik: he did earlier
[05:09] <oneleaf> lenovo: what can i do for you?
[05:09] <zAo^> thr1ce, no: let me search the forums
[05:09] <sageek> zAo^ you just installed the .rpm from the ati site?
[05:09] <greg__> lunitik, in which program?
[05:09] <lunitik> greg__: never mind... thats for GNOME
[05:09] <greg__> oh ok
[05:10] <zAo^> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=122362&postcount=6
[05:10] <zAo^> that is what I did
[05:10] <lenovo> oneleaf: Glad to see you here. I want to tell you some idea about translation.
[05:10] <lunitik> greg__: kcontrol > Sound & Multimedia > Sound Events turn them off ... I think thats how
[05:10] <zAo^> sageek, yes. Follow that link
[05:10] <lenovo> oneleaf: Just myself.
[05:10] <thr1ce> dpkg: error processing fglrx-6-8-0_8.12.10-2_i386.deb (--install):
[05:10] <thr1ce>  trying to overwrite `/usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1.2', which is also in package xli bmesa-gl
[05:10] <thr1ce> dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
[05:10] <thr1ce> ?
[05:10] <oneleaf> lenovo: :)
[05:11] <lunitik> thr1ce: dpkg -i --force-overwrite pkg
[05:11] <thr1ce> ok
[05:11] <greg__> lunitik, there is no sound events option :(
[05:11] <greg__> nvermind
[05:12] <lenovo> oneleaf: Hope you never mind. My E is not good.
[05:12] <lunitik> greg__: ;)
[05:12] <greg__> i got it:)
[05:12] <greg__> thanks a lot man
[05:12] <lunitik> greg__: Not using KDE right now... else I could be more exact  ;)
[05:12] <oneleaf> lenovo: I too
[05:12] <greg__> thanks a lot anyway, i got it :)
[05:12] <lenovo> oneleaf: Are channel ubuntu-cn working now?
[05:12] <lunitik> greg__: make sure you didn't actually turn off arts though... that could give you a headache  ;)
[05:12] <greg__> yes, the ssound system is still on :)
[05:13] <greg__> im using OSS :)
[05:13] <oneleaf> lenovo: can your speak chinese?
[05:13] <zAo^> lunitik, cant understand debfoster. What if I want to uninstall eg. rhythmbox with all its plugins?
[05:13] <lunitik> greg__: ouch :x
[05:13] <greg__> why ouch?
[05:13] <FreezerX> Do you know a gnome tool/daemon for pasting several text into memory like it is possible with the klipper in kde?
[05:13] <oneleaf> lenovo: yes
[05:13] <lunitik> zAo^: debfoster just handles cleaning things up... so if you remove rhythmbox... then run debfoster after, it will tell you what isn't needed, and allow you to be rid of it...
[05:14] <lunitik> zAo^: first time you run debfoster is a pain though
[05:14] <lunitik> zAo^: just because you have to tell it about everything on the system...
[05:14] <thr1ce> zAo^, I need gcc for this I assume ?
[05:14] <lenovo> oneleaf: How about we go there?
[05:15] <zAo^> lunitik, ah: thats why it complains about kubuntu :)
[05:15] <Amaranth> http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/non-free/p/pptview/pptview_8.0-1/pptview.copyright O_O
[05:15] <lunitik> zAo^: yup... its not really complaining... just wants to learn whether you want it  ;)
[05:15] <zAo^> lunitik, now I see. Thanks
[05:15] <oneleaf> lenovo: ok
[05:16] <ivoks> hi all! uh... there is a lot of "all" :)
[05:16] <thr1ce> initializing...
[05:16] <thr1ce> kernel includes at /usr/src/linux/include not found or incomplete
[05:16] <thr1ce> file: /usr/src/linux/include/linux/version.h
[05:16] <thr1ce> wtfffffffffffffffff
[05:16] <lunitik> ivoks: about 500 are idling though  ;)
[05:16] <thr1ce> zAo^, did you have that ?
[05:16] <ivoks> lunitik i know :)
[05:16] <ivoks> well, it's nice to see ubuntu so popular
[05:17] <oneleaf> lenovo: I already in #ubuntu-zh
[05:17] <ivoks> i test it last year, when this distro wasn't so famous :)
[05:17] <ivoks> can anoyone tell me how packages are compiled in new ubuntu?
[05:17] <zAo^> thr1ce, Yes
[05:17] <zAo^> lunitik, lol @ Keep debfoster? [Ynpsiuqx?] , [H] elp:
[05:17] <thr1ce> zAo^, what must I do to get around it ?
[05:17] <lunitik> ivoks: not really... I hope the initial hype ends soon... things will eventually even out... I still remember this channel with about 70 people
[05:17] <lunitik> zAo^: heh... it asks about *everything* ...
[05:18] <ivoks> i'm interested in -march= and -mtune
[05:18] <trygvebw> Hi, what can be the cause of this error? I'm trying to modprobe ndiswrapper. (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko): Operation not permitted.
[05:18] <thr1ce> zAo^, how did you get around it ?
[05:18] <ivoks> lunitik hehe well, i'm first time on irc channel :)
[05:18] <zAo^> thr1ce, around what?
[05:18] <ivoks> lunitik do u know anything about mtune and march in latest ubuntu?
[05:18] <thr1ce> initializing...
[05:18] <thr1ce> kernel includes at /usr/src/linux/include not found or incomplete
[05:18] <thr1ce> file: /usr/src/linux/include/linux/version.h
[05:18] <zAo^> thr1ce, start with `sudo apt-get remove fglrx*`
[05:19] <ivoks> zAo^ wrong way
[05:19] <thr1ce> brb, lemme restart...that might help
[05:19] <ivoks> zAo^ sudo aptitude purge fglrx
[05:19] <zAo^> thr1ce, READ Note: before you start check if you have installed the linux-headers for your kernel and gcc (Synaptic)
[05:19] <lunitik> ivoks: results in same thing  :/
[05:19] <zAo^> ivoks, true; sorry
[05:19] <thr1ce> linux-headers are by default, right ?
[05:19] <ivoks> lunitik not
[05:19] <ivoks> lunitik remove leaves configs
[05:19] <ivoks> lunitik purge leaves nothing :))
[05:19] <lunitik> ivoks: removing config files is bad, because if he reinstalls, they won't come back
[05:20] <lunitik> ivoks: one of the bad things about apt  :(
[05:20] <ivoks> ok... is anyone on ubuntu now?
[05:20] <lunitik> ivoks: nope, we just /j #ubuntu for fun
[05:20] <pasci> tach
[05:20] <ivoks> lunitik apt has no bad things, u just have to know how to use it
[05:20] <raid> hi all
[05:20] <ivoks> lunitik can u tell me march and mtune of packages?
[05:20] <lunitik> ivoks: I know how...
[05:21] <raid> can some1 give me some help with the installation of the atmel wireless lan drivers for ubuntu?
[05:21] <ivoks> CFLAGS, people? anyone?
[05:21] <lunitik> ivoks: ask in #ubuntu-devel ...
[05:21] <ivoks> ok
[05:21] <lunitik> ivoks: they'd know better...
[05:21] <trygvebw> raid: Don't ask to ask, just ask :)
[05:21] <raid> any1 please???
[05:22] <zAo^> srry raid
[05:22] <sagi> zao^ still here?
[05:22] <zAo^> sagi, yes
[05:22] <sagi> i'm having problems with the link
[05:23] <sagi> when i  /lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod
[05:23] <sagi> go to there and sh make.sh
[05:23] <zAo^> yes?
[05:23] <lunitik> raid: wee dun no bowt tha sry
[05:23] <sagi> kernel includes at /usr/src/linux/include not found or incomplete
[05:23] <sagi> (it's a fresh installion so i don't have any my own kernel yet)
[05:24] <sagi> zao what should i do
[05:24] <zAo^> sagi, apt-get install linux-kernel-headers gcc
[05:24] <sagi> i installed gccc
[05:24] <zAo^> k
[05:24] <sagi> linux-kernel-headers is already the newest version.
[05:24] <sagi> seems to be installed too.
[05:25] <raid> do i need to compile kernel build options previously? the requirements are [Loadable Module Support -> Enable]  [Processor types and features -> Symmetric Multiprocessing Support - Disabled] 
[05:25] <sagi> zAo^? :oP
[05:26] <pantz> does anyone have any idea how to rename other partitions that show in nautilus's 'computer' - ie. rename '40Gb Media' to 'share disk'?
[05:26] <darko__> hi! i'm trying to feed the output of pgrep -f "X :0" into(after) renice 0 ... how would i do that? So that for example if pgrep outputs 1824 then the renice cmd would be renice 0 1824, understand?
[05:26] <raid> i should check the .config file but dunno where to find it... :P any1?
[05:26] <sagi> hey zao^ i'm in the middle of the installion and i'm pretty stuck, come to the rescue? :P
[05:26] <zAo^> did you install linux-headers-(kernelversion) ?
[05:26] <sagi> hmm.. nope
[05:26] <zAo^> lol
[05:26] <sagi> it's a new installion
[05:26] <sagi> i barley touched anything
[05:26] <sagi> finished installing.. 30~ mins ago
[05:26] <FreezerX> What tool is used to resize the partitions?
[05:26] <elcu> hello, i'm not getting sound in wmv files.
[05:27] <zAo^> FreezerX, try qtparted
[05:27] <sagi> getting linux-headers-2.6.10-5-386
[05:27] <zAo^> k
[05:27] <sagi> seemed to solve :P
[05:27] <sagi> moving on, thank you
[05:27] <elcu> FreezerX: apparently, use gparted instead.
[05:28] <raid> where can i find the kernel .config file?
[05:28] <zAo^> raid, /boot
[05:28] <raid> ok
[05:28] <darko__> it could be a script... i'm just trying to set X to NI 0 automatically withouth having to do a 'top' see NI then do a renice 0 pidofX
[05:28] <raid> zAo^: thx m8
[05:28] <zAo^> np
[05:30] <ivoks> darko is croatian name :)
[05:30] <zAo^> how can I purge mails in Evolution?? (IMAP)
[05:30] <darko__> it is? i took it from the film donnie darko..
[05:30] <zAo^> Johnny Darko :)
[05:30] <ivoks> zAo^ OMG
[05:30] <zAo^> lol :)
[05:30] <ivoks> zAo^ purge?
[05:30] <ivoks> on IMAP?
[05:31] <zAo^> ivoks, yes? what is it `OMG`?
[05:31] <ivoks> zAo^ oh my god
[05:31] <zAo^> I know that :S
[05:31] <zAo^> ivoks, why omg?
[05:32] <Amaranth> damn, debfoster takes a long time to go through
[05:32] <ivoks> purge (delete?) email over IMAP means deleting it on IMAP server
[05:32] <zAo^> ivoks, I want to purge it from the IMAP server
[05:32] <lunitik> Amaranth: cuz there is a lot of shit installed... and not many meta-packages there ;)
[05:32] <ivoks> select them and hit delete key
[05:32] <Amaranth> lunitik: ah
[05:33] <lunitik> Amaranth: my keepers is like 7 lines  :/
[05:33] <Amaranth> lunitik: How does debfoster figure out what to ask about?
[05:33] <zAo^> ivoks, .... OMG! lol... They will remain on the IMAP server :)
[05:33] <ivoks> zAo^ no, they won't...
[05:33] <dcraven_> How does one run an /etc/init.d/ service as a non-privileged user?
[05:33] <Amaranth> dcraven_: One doesn't.
[05:34] <dcraven_> Amaranth, well then that makes it simple :)
[05:34] <darko__> How do i retrieve pid of X and then renice X to 0 withouth having to manually see the pid of X with top first?
[05:34] <zAo^> ivoks, when I visit the IMAP server by my browser, they still remain.
[05:34] <lunitik> Amaranth: it just goes around seeing why things are installed... and asks about the highest demoninator...
[05:34] <Amaranth> ah
[05:34] <lunitik> Amaranth: never looked at the code myself... so can't answer specifically
[05:34] <ivoks> zAo^ did u set up ur evolution to delete messages on delete? by default, they just mark them deleted (u can see a line over subject)
[05:35] <lunitik> Amaranth: heh... you found out why I like to keep ubuntu-desktop around though  :P
[05:35] <ivoks> dump my gentoo or not, that is the question
[05:35] <ivoks> i would like to try ubuntu again, but...
[05:35] <ivoks> if it's compiled for 486, it would be a shit...
[05:35] <zAo^> darko__, ps -ef | grep /usr/X11R6/bin/X | grep -v grep | awk '{ print $2 } '
[05:36] <grumpysmurf> thats what i like about using amd64, you know its compiled for the platform :)
[05:36] <Burgundavia> ivoks, I believe most packages are compiled for 386, and you can choose the kernel you run
[05:36] <grumpysmurf> none of this "do it by hand" gentoo crap ><
[05:36] <zAo^> ivoks, donno. Thanks.
[05:36] <lunitik> Burgundavia: wrong...
[05:36] <Amaranth> lunitik: Err, how come when I run it again I can't choose to remove more things? :)
[05:36] <ivoks> Burgundavia kernel is enough
[05:37] <lunitik> Amaranth: sudo vi /var/lib/debfoster/keepers ...
[05:37] <ivoks> Burgundavia 486 for ogg and mp3 ripers means no mmx support
[05:37] <lunitik> Amaranth: it remembers what you entered before  ;)
[05:37] <ivoks> Burgundavia and that means slow riping
[05:37] <Amaranth> I have too much junk in there. :)
[05:37] <Burgundavia> ivoks, there are several kernels you can run, including one for 686
[05:37] <Amaranth> My keepers is 335 lines.
[05:37] <ivoks> Burgundavia but kernel isn't enough
[05:38] <lunitik> Amaranth: things you don't want... just dd them... and run again ... I usually get rid of the lines starting '-' also, just to keep it cleaner
[05:38] <ivoks> i need aplications that can take advantages of my proc
[05:38] <lunitik> ivoks: have fun installing gentoo
[05:38] <ivoks> i guess, gentoo is best choice...
[05:38] <ivoks> lunitik i run gentoo allready :)
[05:38] <lunitik> ivoks: /j #gentoo
[05:38] <lunitik> peace
[05:38] <Amaranth> lunitik: Now I seen why you keep ubuntu-desktop around. :)
[05:38] <grumpysmurf> indeed.
[05:38] <lunitik> Amaranth: :)
[05:39] <Amaranth> lunitik: Too bad evolution is broken in breezy (can't be installed) so I can't install ubuntu-desktop.
[05:39] <Burgundavia> ivoks, http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2005-April/007013.html
[05:39] <dcraven_> ivoks, that's a load of crud.
[05:40] <lunitik> Amaranth: its not broken... just hold libcamel for a while (it wants to remove due to libcamel2.0 being installed, removing libcamel1.4 (I think) which evolution depends on
[05:41] <lunitik> Amaranth: then just wait till evolution is listed as 'not going to be installed' ;)
[05:42] <lunitik> Amaranth: (both versions of libcamel should be held though... else nothing is changed)
[05:43] <lunitik> libcamel1.2 ... grr
[05:44] <Amaranth> hehe
[05:44] <Amaranth> we have libcamel1.2-3 and libcamel1.2-0
[05:44] <Amaranth> which makes no sense...
[05:44] <lunitik> Amaranth: evolution depends the former though
[05:44] <Amaranth> I know.
[05:46] <thr1ce> zAo^, did you do anything other than follow that guide ?
[05:46] <lunitik> ahh... 1.2-3 is being removed for 1.2-0 actually... wtf
[05:47] <kippi> if i have a .deb package can i install it on Ubuntu?
[05:47] <Amaranth> lunitik: I can't force version?
[05:48] <Echylo> question, when I try to open a .wmv is xine it gives next error: The source seems encrypted, and can't be read (media stream scrambled/encrypted), win32codecs is installed
[05:48] <andro_> dpkg -i package.deb
[05:48] <Amaranth> lunitik: I'm new to forcing and such, I usually don't care about things being removed.
[05:48] <Echylo> kippi,  sudo dkpg -i pack.deb
[05:49] <kippi> Echylo: I just get bash: dkpg: command not found
[05:49] <Echylo> hmm
[05:49] <Echylo> strange
[05:50] <pantz> anyone know where the naming scheme for mounted partitions comes from in the nautilus 'computer' view?
[05:51] <Amaranth> lunitik: ?
[05:51] <grumpysmurf> possibly the partition label on the disk?  what are your partitions named, pantz?
[05:52] <raid> any can help me with the installation of a wireless usb card?
[05:53] <lunitik> Amaranth: if you can, I don't know how...
[05:53] <raid> no one knows of deb packages similar to the atmel wlan driver?
[05:53] <Echylo> kippi,  you did "sudo dpkg -i file.deb" ??
[05:53] <lunitik> Amaranth: well... short of changing the dep yourself... which is a pita
[05:53] <kippi> yep
[05:54] <lunitik> kippi: bet you didn't do the sudo part
[05:54] <lunitik> kippi: there is no way you're running Ubuntu and don't have dpkg installed
[05:54] <lunitik> kippi: too much of the system wants it around
[05:54] <Echylo> yes
[05:54] <Echylo> so you need to do the sudo
[05:54] <resiak> kippi: You haven't typoed dpkg as dkpg have you?
[05:55] <Echylo> he typed
[05:55] <Echylo> dkpg
[05:55] <Echylo> not dpkg
[05:55] <lunitik> Echylo: ahh... good eyes
[05:55] <Echylo> resiak saw that ;)
[05:55] <linuxboy> Hi, is there a way to configure a 5 button mouse in Ubuntu ?
[05:55] <kippi> thanks, thats what i did :D
[05:55] <lunitik> linuxboy: you mean  a scrollwheel mouse?
[05:56] <dr_willis> you do some tweaking of the X config file, and you can set up the mouse.
[05:56] <linuxboy> lunitik: no, 5 buttons + scroll
[05:56] <nubbe> what mp3 encoder should I choose?
[05:56] <lunitik> linuxboy: ahh...
[05:56] <dr_willis> thers proberly several howto/examples out on the web. Depends a little on the exact mouse.
[05:56] <lunitik> nubbe: lame
[05:56] <nubbe> gstreamer? liblame?
[05:56] <linuxboy> lunitik: 4 buttons + 1 on the scroll + scroll
[05:56] <lunitik> nubbe: gstreamer would use lame
[05:57] <gustav_> linuxboy: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/IntellimouseMousemanBackForwardButtons
[05:57] <nubbe> lunitik, gstreamer0.8-lame?
[05:57] <linuxboy> gustav_: ill check it out...
[05:57] <lunitik> linuxboy: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/history/65492
[05:57] <linuxboy> lunitik: ill check that out too
[05:57] <gustav_> linuxboy: you'll probably only need to do the edit xorg.conf part ..
[05:58] <Amaranth> lunitik: btw, you can force the install
[05:58] <Amaranth> lunitik: messy, but it should work
[05:58] <lunitik> linuxboy: especially note the 'Option "Buttons" "7" '  part
[05:58] <mkerby> Hi everyone
[05:58] <linuxboy> lunitik: yeah...
[05:58] <lunitik> linuxboy: which would be as you describe... (wheel is seen as 3 buttons - up down and press)
[05:59] <mkerby> I can't get gdesklets to work...are there any Ubuntu-specific problems with it?
[05:59] <Echylo> question, when I try to open a .wmv is xine it gives next error: The source seems encrypted, and can't be read (media stream scrambled/encrypted), win32codecs is installed
[05:59] <kippi> how would I install libsasl7? I have tried apt-get install libsasl7 and synaptic but it can't find it
[05:59] <mkerby> Or what else could it be?
[05:59] <mkerby> The console says the daemon is connected but nothing shows up.
[06:00] <Sanji> Hi, i'm trying to make my own kernel, and I have now compiled it. In the grub-conf the default-kernel have something like this "initrd          /boot/initrd.img-2.6.10-5-386"
[06:00] <chaitatp> hi guys
[06:00] <Sanji> Where can i find initrd for my own kernel?
[06:00] <lunitik> Sanji: did you enable it?
[06:01] <lunitik> Sanji: should be in /boo
[06:01] <lunitik>  /boot
[06:01] <chaitatp> hi guys, is it plausible to use 'ubuntu live cd' with 'HP Pavilion a618l'?
[06:01] <Sanji> should I use the same that the default uses?
[06:01] <lunitik> Sanji: no
[06:02] <Amaranth> chaitatp: Try it.
[06:02] <linuxboy> lunitik: what will my extra buttons do now??? any idea?
[06:02] <lunitik> Sanji: if you didn't enable it, you have to recompile, else try without one (they aren't strictly required)
[06:02] <lunitik> linuxboy: none... heh
[06:03] <chaitatp> Amaranth, have you ever heard of any problems about HP's computer and Ubuntu?
[06:03] <lunitik> linuxboy: I just have a 5 button mouse (scroll and 2)
[06:03] <Amaranth> chaitatp: Not really.
[06:03] <Amaranth> chaitatp: The point of a live cd is to safely see if ubuntu supports your system and to give it a test drive.
[06:03] <Sanji> lunitik, thx. Will try without first.
[06:04] <Doomhammer> when I try to run Unreal Tournament 2004, it just says "Exiting due to error" ... what does that mean?
[06:04] <lunitik> Amaranth: s/The point/The main point/
[06:04] <Sanji> lunitik, do you know where to enable it if I have to?
[06:04] <lunitik> Sanji: it is an option... look for it
[06:04] <Sanji> ok
[06:04] <Zico> Hi.. I'm new to linux.. I'm installing it on P3 450MHz computer with 256Mb memory and 30Gt Harddisk.. will default installation be fine or too slow for this machine?
[06:04] <Sanji> thx
[06:04] <linuxboy> lunitik: its there (**) Configured Mouse: Buttons: 7
[06:04] <deFrysk> Zico, fine
[06:04] <lunitik> Sanji: as you might guess... helping via IRC to compile a kernel is a pita  ;)
[06:04] <chaitatp> Amaranth, HP's quite weird for me that that time i have installed winxp with the HP and, you know, I have to d/l almost all driver from hp-site e.g. ethernet, sound card, chipset, graphics card, modem
[06:05] <linuxboy> lunitik: the one button acts like right click, as it did before
[06:05] <lunitik> linuxboy: yay... you do the xmodmap setting?
[06:05] <sig> I still can't believe there has been a single package upgrade for Hoary yet.
[06:05] <megamind> zico i  m also using on 450 and 256 machine and its going fine ...
[06:05] <Ocid> Zico: i run ubuntu on P3 450 with 128MB ram and it runs fine
[06:05] <Amaranth> chaitatp: I had some hardware that Windows didn't have built-in drivers for that worked automatically with linux. Just try it.
[06:05] <lunitik> sig: Hoary is frozen ... won't get anything enless its via security or updates
[06:05] <linuxboy> sig: im also amazed...
[06:05] <deFrysk> sig, only security updates
[06:05] <lunitik> sig: which you may or may not have enabled
[06:05] <chaitatp> Amaranth, ah!!! that's sound good
[06:05] <sig> lunitik: no kidding what do you think I just said
[06:06] <greg__> anyone know how safe ntfs-linux is?
[06:06] <Zico> deFrysk, thanks.. I was a bit afraid because there was written in guides that "if you don't have P4 with 512 memory you should consider installing with these special settings (going through custom install)"
[06:06] <lunitik> deFrysk: and updates in general ... hoary-updates hoary-security
[06:06] <linuxboy> lunitik: no, didnt see that... ill try now...
[06:06] <sig> there are a few security updates and a fix for gnome-volume-manager should be released
[06:06] <megamind> somebody will tell me how do i configure the dialup in ubuntoo ??
[06:06] <Amaranth> greg__: Reading is safe, writing it almost absolutely going to ruin the partition.
[06:06] <chaitatp> Amaranth, ok i'll try and tell you the result
[06:06] <chaitatp> Amaranth, bye bye
[06:06] <lunitik> sig: don't act like a smart ass, it is not becoming of you
[06:06] <Amaranth> chaitatp: Bye.
[06:06] <sig> lunitik: I don't care
[06:06] <sig> :)
[06:06] <greg__> damn, so there is high rish it might destroy the partition?
[06:07] <Amaranth> greg__: If you're writing it's almost guaranteed.
[06:07] <Zico> what is the most compherensive discussion forum for setting up ubuntu and problem solving? I'd like to bookmark it :)
[06:08] <lunitik> Zico: ubuntuforums.org is popular
[06:08] <grumpysmurf> i've been able to write to NTFS partitions, minimally, without issue, but i take more risks than any sane person should sometimes :)
[06:08] <Zico> thanks lunitik
[06:08] <megamind> somebody will tell me how do i configure the dialup in ubuntoo ??
[06:08] <grumpysmurf> zico: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/ and http://www.ubuntuguide.org/
[06:08] <lunitik> Zico: has an easy way to keep track of mailing lists too... which is helpful... rather than having your mailbox flooded  ;)
[06:08] <dr_willis> megamind,  i think it includes 'wvdial' - but not sure. :P i dont use dialup.
[06:08] <lunitik> megamind: pppconfig
[06:09] <lunitik> megamind: or as dr_willis says...
[06:09] <dr_willis> or does pppconfig config wvdial? :P
[06:09] <linuxboy> lunitik: still the same :P
[06:09] <infornography> Anybody know why I get no sound when I use XFCE instead of gnome?
[06:09] <dr_willis> "ppp"= point to Point Protocall. (i think) which is what dialup uses.
[06:09] <lunitik> infornography: because you're not starting a sound server?
[06:09] <linuxboy> dr_willis: protocal
[06:10] <linuxboy> dr_willis: protocol
[06:10] <grumpysmurf> lunitik typed faster than me :x
[06:10] <infornography> I can run esd from the command line and it seems to fix it, but having to do that every time is a pain in the arse
[06:10] <lunitik> grumpysmurf: 8)
[06:10] <dr_willis> linuxboy,  lol. :P
[06:10] <infornography> Can I add it to the boot process or something?
[06:10] <lunitik> infornography: add it to your ~.xsession
[06:10] <kangpeh> dude, i love ubuntu
[06:10] <lunitik> ~/.xsession
[06:10] <lunitik> bah
[06:10] <infornography> Ah ok, thanks very much
[06:11] <lunitik> infornography: should already be there and contain xfce things already
[06:11] <JoshuaSyd> what's a good reason having ubuntu linux for operating system?
[06:11] <JoshuaSyd> what's a good reason having ubuntu linux for operating system?
[06:11] <lunitik> infornography: I think XFce has its own Session manager now though, may want to look into that... might be the prefered way...
[06:11] <grumpysmurf> JoshuaSyd please don't repeat your questions so quickly.
[06:11] <Olsen> JoshuaSyd, install the OS that fits you
[06:11] <lunitik> JoshuaSyd: Everyones reasoning is different ...
[06:12] <infornography> lunitik: That gives me a place to start anyway. Thanks
[06:12] <JoshuaSyd> ohh
[06:12] <Doomhammer> JoshuaSyd: it's a great mix between user friendlyness and power user
[06:12] <JoshuaSyd> sorry2
[06:12] <Doomhammer> JoshuaSyd: that's why I like it
[06:12] <JoshuaSyd> yeah
[06:12] <JoshuaSyd> i just want to know
[06:12] <JoshuaSyd> coz i just installed ubuntu on my other computer
[06:12] <JoshuaSyd> i'm a linux noob
[06:12] <lunitik> JoshuaSyd: for me, Ubuntu delivers what I usually configure via Debian in less time...
[06:12] <JoshuaSyd> oww
[06:12] <lunitik> JoshuaSyd: for me, it is Debian done right.
[06:13] <grumpysmurf> I like chocolate, so I like Ubuntu's color themes, so thats why I use Ubuntu.  Chocolate forever.
[06:13] <lunitik> grumpysmurf: hahaha
[06:13] <Doomhammer> lol smurf :P
[06:13] <Olsen> can i get the packages of postgresql 8.0.2, php 5.0.4 (with postgresql support) and apache for installing offline on a ubuntu box?
[06:13] <JoshuaSyd> ahh, yea many people told me about debian was a great os
[06:13] <yfir> grumpysmurf: haha. first thing i did was remove all the ubuntu default thematic stuff
[06:13] <lunitik> grumpysmurf: its as good as any reason I suppose  :P
[06:13] <grumpysmurf> I don't really think brown is a great color, but chocolate rules.
[06:13] <SeamusLP> JoshuaSyd:  I use it because apt is not portage.
[06:13] <mad_> grumpysmurf, ahaha. ;)
[06:14] <lunitik> JoshuaSyd: Debian is the best... but there are too much in the way of Politics involved... and I can't give my Mother Debian and expect her to have a clue
[06:14] <Doomhammer> SeamusLP: you don't liek Portage? the ony bad thing about it is that it takes a long time to install packages...
[06:14] <riji> What do i need to install so i can listen to streaming mp3/* musik?
[06:14] <Olsen> ubuntu is debian bleeding edge without the debian politics right?
[06:14] <grumpysmurf> actually, i switched my metacity theme to 'clean' i think, with the blueslate coloring, and then swapped the red and blue values in the default background color so it would be blue instead of brown
[06:14] <grumpysmurf> so i can think of it like blue chocolate.
[06:14] <Doomhammer> riji: you need XMMS
[06:15] <lunitik> riji: gstreamer0.8-mad
[06:15] <SeamusLP> Doomhammer:  Don't get me wrong, I'm sure it's great if you're stove isn't working and you need a way to cook eggs
[06:15] <lunitik> Doomgaze`: no
[06:15] <grumpysmurf> olsen haha yeah pretty much.  and chocolate.
[06:15] <JoshuaSyd> lunitik: politics? wow really?
[06:15] <SeamusLP> *your
[06:15] <dr_willis> portage is nice in many ways.. and annoying in others. :P   of coursew that same logic applies to about anything.
[06:15] <lunitik> Doomhammer: no
[06:15] <lunitik> JoshuaSyd: very much so
[06:15] <Olsen> grumpysmurf, lol :P
[06:15] <grumpysmurf> :)
[06:15] <yfir> portage is great if you are a configuration junkie
[06:15] <nubbe> how do I turn off autoplay for cds and dvds?
[06:15] <lunitik> Olsen: supported Sid
[06:15] <JoshuaSyd> ah ic ic...
[06:15] <lunitik> yfir: stfu about Gentoo, kthnx
[06:15] <Doomhammer> I like the Smokey Blue theme :)
[06:15] <Olsen> do you know if i can get the packages of postgresql, php and apache for installing on a ubuntu box that is currently offline?
[06:16] <JoshuaSyd> btw, can you actually change the default theme of ubuntu?
[06:16] <grumpysmurf> anyway, to seriously answer the question JoshuaSyd, I like ubuntu because for desktop Linux, Debian is one of my favorites.
[06:16] <yfir> lunitik: ok, you'd prefer i talk about freeBSD?
[06:16] <SeamusLP> JoshuaSyd: system - preferences - theme
[06:16] <Doomhammer> Portage and Gentoo are definately not for new users... they are designed for people who need / want COMPLETE control over their systems
[06:16] <grumpysmurf> JoshuaSyd yessir.  System -> Preferences -> Themes
[06:16] <Olsen> i can get the source, but i don't have gcc and some development stuff there
[06:16] <lunitik> yfir: I'd prefere you talk about *g* Ubuntu
[06:16] <riji> and: so that i can hear the audio in flashmovies?
[06:16] <yfir> lunitik: well... ubuntu is my second favourite OS :)
[06:16] <lunitik> s/prefere/prefer
[06:16] <Doomhammer> riji: not sure about that one...
[06:16] <lunitik> yfir: cool...
[06:17] <grumpysmurf> right after windows of course, right yfir
[06:17] <lunitik> yfir: idc... this is #ubuntu though
[06:17] <riji> doorhammer: it ok, thnx for the help :) u 2 lunitik
[06:17] <Olsen> can please anyone answer my question?
[06:17] <lunitik> riji: flash sound works here with libmad0 installed
[06:17] <JoshuaSyd> SeamusLP grumpysmurf thanks!!
[06:17] <grumpysmurf> :)
[06:17] <LinuxJones> Olsen, install build-essential
[06:17] <lunitik> riji: using esd and everything  8)
[06:18] <Olsen> i'm unfamiliar with apt-get, synaptic
[06:18] <Olsen> what is that?
[06:18] <LinuxJones> Olsen, sudo apt-get update && install build-essential
[06:18] <LinuxJones> Olsen, enter your user password
[06:18] <yfir> Olsen: you could download the .debs and transfer them to your ubuntu machine later
[06:18] <yfir> Olsen: use dpkg to install them from file
[06:18] <Zico> I found instructions to mount ntfs partition as read only.. is there any risk that ntfs partition gets mixed, because a special disk utilisation program is used to make that 160GB disk visible for this old computer
[06:18] <Olsen> yfir, i want to do that, how can i do it?
[06:19] <lunitik> Olsen: apt-get install build-essential (stuff required for most building of packages) ... then 'apt-get build-dep something-you-want-to-compile' so that it drags in the -dev packages you need
[06:19] <Olsen> and where can i get it
[06:19] <lunitik> Olsen: apt-get build-dep saves a lot of headaches  :P
[06:19] <Olsen> hm heh
[06:19] <Olsen> i never touched apt-get
[06:19] <riji> ok, someone will kill me now: is there a way to get asp-support in apache? :S
[06:20] <Olsen> i used lfs and slackware before, i always compiled stuff
[06:20] <LinuxJones> Olsen, just type those commands I gave you into a terminal
[06:20] <Olsen> but it seems that i don't have the development stuff here
[06:20] <lunitik> riji: look into mono + apache
[06:20] <lunitik> Olsen: no, because build-essential isn't installed
[06:21] <lunitik> Olsen: for most, apt-get is all they need, so development tools aren't installed by default
[06:21] <Olsen> build-essential contains the development stuff? gcc, etc??
[06:21] <lunitik> Olsen: yes
 If anyone has a paypal account i'll give a cool $15 to make fglrx worth with my Radeon 9000 Pro with slackware 10.1
[06:21] <LinuxJones> yeah
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[06:21] <Olsen> ok
[06:21] <mad_> Hahah. :P
[06:21] <SeamusLP> riji:  You port your code to php perl or python ;)
[06:21] <Olsen> yay! i like ubuntu :D
[06:22] <LinuxJones> Olsen, what apps are you truing to install /
[06:22] <LinuxJones> trying*
[06:22] <riji> hmm is that smart? the port can't be anything near stable :S
[06:22] <Olsen> postgresql 8.0.2, php 5.0.4, httpd/apache and mono
[06:22] <lunitik> LinuxJones: hey, know anything about getting mono's ASP stuff to work with Apache?
[06:22] <Olsen> i got a job on a firm, i'm migrating that firm from windows to linux :)
[06:23] <Olsen> i chose ubuntu for desktop and slackware for server
[06:23] <JoshuaSyd> guys, is it hard to install linux server in ubuntu? any internet guide? .. i want to install cpanel that sort of stuff...
[06:23] <Olsen> *chosed
[06:23] <lunitik> LinuxJones: riji wants to know...
[06:23] <LinuxJones> lunitik, nope
[06:23] <lunitik> LinuxJones: shitty  :(
[06:23] <LinuxJones> lunitik, well I am not down with mono :D
[06:24] <riji> well looks like the best solution is to rewrite the code in php
[06:25] <lunitik> riji: hmm... look into 'mono-apache-server' ... it is in Universe
[06:25] <SeamusLP> riji:  May as well try mono first
[06:25] <riji> jepp
[06:26] <riji> i'm starting to love linux :)
[06:26] <lunitik> riji: install 'libapache2-mod-mono' first though... else you get the apache 1.x crap, which you prolly don't want  ;)
[06:27] <lunitik> hmm... which isn't in the repository... damnit
[06:27] <pantz> i asked this b4 but missed any responses so here i go again - anyone know where the naming scheme for mounted partitions comes from in the nautilus 'computer' view?
[06:28] <pantz> i want to change the name given to my partitions
[06:28] <lunitik> pantz: /etc/fstab
[06:28] <pantz> lunitik, mmm - i don't have anything like '40Gb Media' in my /etc/fstab
[06:28] <sageek> Is there any way to make beep-media-player play mp3 files with ubuntu?
[06:29] <lunitik> sageek: apt-get install libmad0
[06:29] <JoshuaSyd> guys, is it hard to install linux server in ubuntu? any internet guide? .. i want to install cpanel that sort of stuff...
[06:29] <pantz> lunitik, i should say '40Gb Hard Drive : 40Gb Media'
[06:29] <sageek> it's already installed
[06:29] <pantz> that is one of the labels that i have for my 40Gb partition
[06:29] <sageek> I'v already installed it anyhow
[06:29] <sageek> didn't help.
[06:29] <sageek> or i should change something after installing it?
[06:30] <Zico> Fontconfig error: cannot load default config file (during installation) !!
[06:30] <sageek> Since i do have libmad, tho mp3 won't play.
[06:30] <Zico> what's wrong with my machine :((
[06:31] <sageek> well?
[06:31] <treyd> hey, i just downloaded ndiswrapper
[06:31] <treyd> untarred it
[06:32] <treyd> then dpkg'ed the deb
[06:32] <treyd> how do i get it to install now?
[06:32] <srbaker> is there a cross-theme way to get double scoll?
[06:32] <srbaker> both buttons at each end of a scroll bar?
[06:34] <LinuxJones> treyd, ndiswrapper should be in the install cd
[06:34] <Zico> hmm.. how come the install complains about fonts many times.. maybe I shouldn't read those error messages
[06:35] <Ocid> Zico: just ignore them
[06:35] <LinuxJones> treyd, cd to the directory then dpkg -i package.deb will install it for you unless there are dependency issues
[06:35] <pvanhoof> How can I let the kernel-build system use gcc-3.3 rather than the newer gcc-4.0 ?
[06:36] <pvanhoof> My kernel doesn't like the fact that I'm building modules using gcc-4.0
[06:36] <pvanhoof> I'm trying with export CC=gcc-3.3
[06:36] <pvanhoof> ain't working (it's using cc)
[06:36] <Zico> does Ubuntu create a log file of errors occurred during the install?
[06:36] <Hmmmm> im on hoary rc. how do i upgrade to final?
[06:37] <pvanhoof> ls -alh /etc/alternatives/cc
[06:37] <pvanhoof> lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 12 Apr 16 15:59 /etc/alternatives/cc -> /usr/bin/gcc
[06:37] <pvanhoof> guessing I need to make a symlink to gcc-3.3 here
[06:37] <Ocid> Hmmmm: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[06:37] <sageek> Is there any way to make beep-media-player play mp3 files with ubuntu? (i have libmad)
[06:37] <yfir> Hmmmm: a normal dist-upgrade should do it
[06:37] <lunitik> srbaker: that is theme specific .. look for a theme that does what you want
[06:37] <srbaker> gah!
[06:38] <srbaker> maybe i'll just hack clearlook
[06:38] <lunitik> srbaker: enless you want to look into making your own theme  :P
[06:38] <srbaker> i don't
[06:38] <srbaker> i just want clearlook with double scrolling
[06:38] <sageek> no one have a clue? eh? ;/
[06:38] <Hmmmm> Ocid, do i need any special repositories?
[06:38] <lunitik> sageek: didn't see your Q...
[06:38] <lunitik> Hmmmm: no
[06:38] <Ocid> Hmmmm: nope, usual hoary reps are enough
[06:38] <sageek> I have beep-media-player installed, AND libmad installed, tho i can't play mp3 under BMP
[06:39] <thully> sageek: did you try gstreamer0.8-mad from universe?
[06:39] <sageek> yeah, i have gstreamer mad, and libmad
[06:39] <Hmmmm> also, how much data will get transfered?
[06:39] <LinuxJones> Hmmmm, sudo apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[06:39] <lunitik> Hmmmm: just 'sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade' ... once that is done, you're running hoary final  ;)
[06:39] <Hmmmm> approximatetly that is
[06:39] <sageek> no need to change anything on BMP after installing those libs?
[06:39] <LinuxJones> Hmmmm, it will tell you
[06:39] <lunitik> Hmmmm: depends when the last time you upgraded was
[06:39] <Doomhammer> are any of you running Ubuntu in a server environment?
[06:39] <lunitik> sageek: shouldn't be... enless it isn't working  :P
[06:40] <sageek> well it doesn't :o
[06:40] <sageek> by the way
[06:40] <sageek> i'm so inlove with ubnutu! i finally got fglrx to work with 3d.
[06:40] <Olsen> can i get the build-essential package and install on my ubuntu box that is offline atm and compile postgresql, php, apache on it later?
[06:41] <lunitik> sageek: hmm... strange... you restart bmp I take it?
[06:41] <yfir> sageek: make sure you read http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats if you haven't already
[06:41] <sageek> lunitik ofcourse
[06:41] <sageek> yfir have no read it
[06:41] <lunitik> yfir: that doesn't tell about bmp mad support... only (at most) xmms and gstreamer
[06:41] <riji> libapcahe2_mod_mono doesn't exist :(
[06:42] <lunitik> riji: I told you that about 20 mins ago
[06:42] <LinuxJones> Olsen, sudo apt-get clean && apt-get -d install packages (this only downloads files) copy them to cd and install to your offline system
[06:42] <riji> yeah
[06:42] <riji> but i want it still :(
[06:42] <sageek> lunitik then no clue ? :P
[06:42] <habib> does anyone knows where to find cdrdao .deb for ubuntu
[06:42] <Olsen> LinuxJones, thx
[06:42] <Hmmmm> lunitik, i just did a fresh hoary rc install
[06:43] <sageek> when it ry to play an mp3
[06:43] <lunitik> Hmmmm: uhh... I'd guess about 200 mb then
[06:43] <sageek> it will just stuck and doesn't dump anything to console
[06:43] <yfir> sageek: make sure that beep is set up to use esd
[06:43] <lunitik> sageek: run it from console and see its output
[06:43] <sageek> yeah that extacly what i did, no outputs
[06:43] <lunitik> sageek: pretty obvious what is wrong though  ;)
[06:43] <Doomhammer> what is the package name for the Apache2 PHP Module?
[06:43] <sageek> hrm, what is wrong then?
[06:43] <Hmmmm> ok thnks
[06:43] <LinuxJones> Olsen, the packages will be somewhere in the /var/cache/apt/ directory
[06:44] <Rydekull> libmod-apach2-php4 or something similiar, use apt-cache?
[06:44] <lunitik> sageek: try installing mpg123 and tell me if that results in better luck
[06:44] <thully> habib: cdrdao in universe
[06:44] <lunitik> Rydekull: he wants mono support...
[06:44] <yfir> sageek: in the beep preferences there should be a way to change sound output from oss/alsa to esd. try changing that.
[06:44] <sageek> yeah
[06:44] <sageek> i try esd
[06:44] <sageek> it works
[06:44] <sageek> tho sounds VERY BAD
[06:44] <lunitik> Rydekull: mod_mono doesn't appear to be in the archive (only the 'backend')
[06:45] <lunitik> yfir: how would that get him mp3 support?
[06:45] <sageek> well it does play mp3s now
[06:45] <sageek> tho it sounds really bad
[06:45] <yfir> lunitik: he already has it. his problem was that beep was freezing
[06:45] <lunitik> sageek: with mpg123?
[06:45] <yfir> lunitik: it's because it's set up to use oss/alsa, not esd
[06:45] <sageek> with es.
[06:45] <LinuxJones> Rydekull, >> mono-apache-server - The mod-mono server that what your looking for ?
[06:46] <lunitik> yfir: no, it is because XMMS playback sucks
[06:46] <Doomhammer> ok... I'm installing PHP -- do I need to edit apache2's config file for PHP to work, or will APT do that for me?
[06:46] <Olsen> hm... apt-get says that can't find postgresql, php
[06:46] <lunitik> yfir: hence, I don't use it... but he wants beep  :/
[06:46] <Doomhammer> Olsen: php is libapache2-mod-php4 and php4
[06:46] <sageek> yfir
[06:46] <sageek> any reason why es sounds so lame? :P
[06:46] <shining> I think there is only one thing very annoying in ubuntu, it's the need of non official repo, like marillat one. I hope all useful packages will be added in universe or multiverse
[06:46] <lunitik> sageek: it isn't esd... it is beep
[06:46] <yfir> sageek: not sure about that
[06:46] <Doomhammer> YAY PHP WORKS! :) :)
[06:46] <sageek> ok
[06:46] <yfir> sageek: it might be beep, as lunitik says
[06:47] <sageek> thank you guys ;)
[06:47] <Olsen> Doomhammer, there is php5?
[06:47] <Olsen> 5.0.4
[06:47] <yfir> sageek: i don't use beep myself, so i don't know exactly how it works
[06:47] <LinuxJones> Olsen, you probably have to add the universe repository
[06:47] <lunitik> yfir: it is... never used it, and compared to other players (it and XMMS both kinda just sound bad)
[06:47] <Olsen> LinuxJones, can you tell me how to do that?
[06:47] <LinuxJones> Olsen, let me get you a link on the wiki
[06:48] <lunitik> yfir: even Zinf sounds better imo... but gstreamer is my prefered mechanism
[06:48] <zenrox> Olsen,  read www.ubuntuguide.org for adding respotries
[06:48] <yfir> lunitik: i happen to use Zinf :)
[06:48] <yfir> lunitik: i like it, but just trying it out these days
[06:48] <shining> you think this will never be done?
[06:48] <LinuxJones> Olsen, >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UniversePackages
[06:48] <lunitik> yfir: it is decent... libmusicbrainz is what rhythmbox uses I think...
[06:48] <sageek> ubuntu pwnz so far guys
[06:49] <sageek> ;)
[06:49] <promethe_> Has anybody setup PearPC under ubuntu to use networking?
[06:49] <lunitik> yfir: hmm, or not... but yeah, libmusicbrainz is nice
[06:49] <LinuxJones> Olsen, this one has pictures :D >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[06:50] <thully> ubuntu = debian with a bit simplified install and actual RELEASES
[06:50] <yfir> lunitik: i'm looking for a gstreamer audio player that just plays straight audio files (no personal music library stuff that relies on mp3 meta data). any suggestions?
[06:50] <lunitik> thully: most Debian users could care less about releases
[06:51] <sageek> you guys might know any soulseek client for ubuntu?
[06:51] <lunitik> yfir: I use Rhythmbox... heh... I just click 'Skip this step' when it tries to find my audio files
[06:51] <yfir> sageek: yea, i use it
[06:51] <sageek> which one?
[06:51] <thully> they should just officially forget the whole idea, then - I presonally like having a bit more stability (meaning, no 120MB dist-upgrades) on my primary setup
[06:51] <yfir> sageek: nicotine. it's in universe repositories
[06:51] <lunitik> sageek: nicotine
[06:51] <lunitik> yfir: punkass, beat me  :(
[06:51] <yfir> hehe
[06:51] <robl^> lunitik, that is true.. but there are "potential" debian users that won't use it due to lack of current releases.  mayny corporate and small businesses only want something that's modern and stable.  that's where ubuntu fits in
[06:52] <lunitik> robl^: true enough... Debian gets a very bad wrap from the clueless about aging software in its repo's
[06:52] <lunitik> rap*
[06:53] <thully> well, the problem with just running testing or unstable is instability and lack of security support - hence, Ubuntu.
[06:53] <lunitik> robl^: as for corporations... debian is more used than most modern distro's ... mainly due to its backing from HP...
[06:53] <calljair> hello guys
[06:53] <robl^> lunitik, I think Ubuntu and Debian compliment each and and don't compete.  They have different target audiences
[06:53] <thully> I mean, Debian woody is a running joke... it probably doesn't work on half of modern hardware sold today
[06:54] <riFFiez> hi guys, when i try to extract compressed files, it doesn't allowed me, it says i don't have the right to extract to a folder.... how can i do this?
[06:54] <calljair> I was trying ubuntu and I was noticing that some services like sshd and postfix were running at the boot?
[06:54] <lunitik> robl^: debian will always 'compete' with its derivatives... because the attitude of its users is so negative towards derivatives
[06:54] <lunitik> s/users/userbase/
[06:54] <riFFiez> plz help
[06:54] <fazer_> la l la
[06:54] <calljair> It is a way that I can update that ? or for example to modify what will be running at the boot ?
[06:55] <thully> yes - I've experienced this in #debian - I was dist-upgrading a Debian-based live CD distro and they didn't want to hear it
[06:55] <fazer_> i just woke up
[06:55] <grumpysmurf> postfix runs for sending mail locally, and also sending out via your favorite mail program, eg, Evolution
[06:55] <ablyss> Trivia stopped
[06:55] <robl^> lunitik, that's my point..  Debian users usually woulldn't use Ubuntu and Ubuntu users usualyl don't use Debian.
[06:55] <ablyss> Trivia stopped
[06:55] <shining> what always makes me laugh is that ppl always talk about debian sid like if it was really unstable, while it's in fact as stable as many other distrib, maybe more
[06:55] <ablyss> Trivia stopped
[06:55] <riFFiez> hi guys, when i try to extract compressed files, it doesn't allowed me, it says i don't have the right to extract to a folder.... how can i do this?
[06:55] <lunitik> robl^: I have a Debian server about 2 feet from me
[06:55] <grumpysmurf> thanks for the updates O.o
[06:55] <ablyss> Trivia stopped
[06:55] <ablyss> Trivia stopped
[06:55] <ablyss> Trivia stopped
[06:55] <lunitik> riFFiez: don't repeat
[06:56] <ablyss> Trivia stopped
[06:56] <LinuxJones> ablyss, stop flooding
[06:56] <ablyss> Trivia stopped
[06:56] <lunitik> ablyss: lame
[06:56] <ablyss> Trivia stopped
[06:56] <riFFiez> lunitik: don't repeat?
[06:56] <ablyss> Trivia stopped
[06:56] <thully> sid may be stable, as in system stability, but it isn't stable as in package selection - not everybody wants to do 100MB worth of dist-upgrades every few days
[06:56] <ablyss> Trivia stopped
[06:56] <grumpysmurf> damn it
[06:56] <ablyss> Trivia stopped
[06:56] <robl^> lunitik, I do too.. and I have serveral development boxes running Debian..  but Ubuntu is my desktop for say to day work.
[06:56] <ablyss> Trivia stopped
[06:56] <thully> also, there is still breakage in sid...
[06:56] <ablyss> Trivia stopped
[06:56] <robl^> Trivia stopped
[06:56] <ablyss> Trivia stopped
[06:57] <riFFiez> hi guys, when i try to extract compressed files, it doesn't allowed me, it says i don't have the right to extract to a folder.... how can i do this?
[06:57] <riFFiez> plz help....
[06:58] <JDahl> riFFiez, maybe you dont have write perms?
[06:58] <raid> hi all, just installed my wlan udb card, but ubuntu wont see the wlan network
[06:59] <kkathman> anyone running gkrellm ?
[06:59] <Doomhammer> what tape backup software is availible for ubuntu?
[06:59] <riFFiez> JDahl: how can i set write perms?
[06:59] <\sh> re
[06:59] <Wings> meuh meuh meuh 80 yo
[06:59] <riFFiez> please... sudo chmod ... what value?
[06:59] <yfir> kkathman: i am
[06:59] <Fleebailey33> Doomhammer: rysnc?
[06:59] <kkathman> yfir:  do you know anything about configuring the email part?
[07:00] <\sh> riFFi: 644 == rw-r--r--
[07:00] <riFFiez> 644?
[07:00] <yfir> kkathman: a little...
[07:00] <riFFiez> is that able to write on a folder?
[07:00] <Doomhammer> Fleebailey33: rsync? I thought that was like a file transfer protocol? I'm trying to put files on my hard drive onto some 20GB tapes I have
[07:00] <Fleebailey33> no
[07:00] <Fleebailey33> you can back up with it
[07:01] <kkathman> yfir: its got that I have 4 messages...yet when I go to /var/mail  I only see one...I do an ls -l and it says 4...whats up?
[07:01] <JDahl> Doomhammer, you can use tar
[07:01] <Fleebailey33> it's what i use.
[07:02] <Doomhammer> hrm... guess I"ll look into rsync and tar :)
[07:02] <Doomhammer> thanks guys
[07:02] <yfir> kkathman: not sure, to be honest. is it  perhaps reading more than one mailbox? :)
[07:02] <riFFiez> ~/sh / JDhal: how can i write the folder permission ... i mean, what's the syntax for sudo command?
[07:02] <riFFiez> i'm pretty new with linux.. sorry
[07:02] <pantz> doh did it again - thats what you get for being a spak - anyone know where the naming scheme for mounted partitions comes from in the nautilus 'computer' view? eg. 20Gb Hard Disk: 20Gb Media
[07:03] <pantz> xchat scrollback lines = 100000
[07:03] <kkathman> yfir: when I do an ls -al  it then says it has 12 entries, yet only 3 show
[07:03] <JDahl> riFFiez, to what folder are you trying to extract the files?
[07:03] <grumpysmurf> pantz looks like that is coming from the kernel detected size of the partition/disk.
[07:04] <Plexys> how do i set my num-lock to activate automatically at boot?
[07:04] <riFFiez> it's inside the home/rootfolder/somefolder/
[07:04] <Ocid> Plexys: sudo apt-get install numlockx
[07:04] <Plexys> 0cid: thank you
[07:05] <Doomhammer> do any of you guys have the link to the Sun Java on Ubuntu page?
[07:05] <riFFiez> ...
[07:05] <JDahl> riFFiez, then 'chmod u+w somefolder'... also 'man chmod'
[07:05] <pantz> grumpysmurf, any idea how to rename them?
[07:06] <grumpysmurf> pantz nope, i don't use nautilus
[07:06] <yfir> kkathman: if you are doing ls -al in /var/mail/ you will get info on all folders there. perhaps you it's also listing root as well as your username
[07:06] <pantz> ok
[07:06] <thomas001> hi. i'm having problems using foomatic on ubuntu,when i call foomatic-configure to add a printer i get a internal-server-error from cups. the cups logs read: add_printer: Unable to copy PPD file from /var/spool/cups/00000002 to /etc/cups/ppd/hl1430.ppd - Permission denied!. any ideas?
[07:06] <riFFiez> JDahl oh ok let me try thx
[07:07] <kkathman> yfir I executed it with sudo also...no change....its weird
[07:08] <shining> thomas001, sudo?
[07:08] <Ocid> Doomhammer: do you mean this http://ubuntuguide.org/#jre ?
[07:08] <thomas001> shining, ich mach das als root und cupsd laeuft als user cupsys dem beide verzeichnisse gehoeren
[07:08] <shining> ach so
[07:09] <thomas001> vll laeuft aber foomatic als root hmm
[07:09] <Ocid> thomas001: english or /join #ubuntu-de
[07:09] <FreezerXX> Ubuntu always loses the contact to the keyboard when shutting the screen of my notebook. Sometimes it can t connect it at boottime, so that I am not able to make a choice in the grubs boot menu. Is this a know bug? Its cumbersome to boot ubuntu each time by presse the power off/on button of my notebook
[07:09] <thomas001> occy, oh sorry,surely, i got confused when switching channels...sorry,i'll write in english
[07:09] <thomas001> Ocid even
[07:09] <JPohlmann> Hi all. Is anyone familiar with autoconf? I have a problem with it but I don't yet know if the package shipped with Ubuntu causes it.
[07:10] <thomas001> shining, sudo -u cupsys did it...so i guess foomatic-configure created the ppd as UID0, which is unreadable by cupsd...
[07:10] <LinuxJones> Olsen,  >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[07:11] <shining> thomas001, possible
[07:11] <thomas001> shining, btw do you know of a nice gui frontend for foomatic?
[07:12] <shining> thomas001, can't you configure your printer with the ubuntu tools?
[07:13] <shining> thomas001, look in system menu
[07:13] <thomas001> shining, i got my printer configured with foomatic, but ghostscript does not know of the hl1250 driver....very strange...i remember it working in sid...
[07:13] <k-otik> whats the program that sits on your desktop and monitors disk usage?
[07:13] <promethe> How can I install brctl command?
[07:13] <thomas001> shining, no gnome,no system menu ;-)
[07:13] <shining> k-otik, s/the/one
[07:13] <shining> thomas001, ha
[07:14] <shining> thomas001, just launch gnome for trying then :)
[07:14] <phxguy> would anyone here care to help me rebuild my Kernel?
[07:14] <tremor_> i have a problem with ndiswrapper, it installs fine, but whenever i do "modprobe ndiswrapper", something goes wrong
[07:14] <thomas001> shining, but gs does not know of the hl1250 driver,neither gs-gpl nor gs-afpl....so what now?
[07:14] <shining> phxguy, there are docs/howto for it
[07:14] <promethe> how can I INSTALL brctl?
[07:14] <tremor_> the kernel log shows that the driver is loaded ==> "ndiswrapper: driver rt2500usb (BELKIN,07/15/2004, 1.02.00.0000) loaded"
[07:15] <tremor_> but after that line, i get hundreds of "usb 3-1: reset high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 2" messages
[07:15] <k-otik> shining ~"s/the/one is the name?
[07:15] <phxguy> shining: yeah I know but they are very generic and i all want to do is enable HIMEM
[07:15] <shining> thomas001, sorry, I never had to mess up with that while configuring a printer, so I've no idea
[07:15] <tremor_> anybody ever seen this error before ? (belkin f5d7050 usb2.0 54mbit adapter) / ubuntu 2.6.10 kernel
[07:15] <shining> phxguy, I heard it isnt a good idea. you've 1 gb of mem?
[07:16] <shining> k-otik, it means there isnt one app which does that
[07:16] <k-otik> shining there isnt' anything that does that?
[07:16] <phxguy> shining: yeah 1.5G of memory If i use the 686 kernel its fine but then my ndiswrapper doesnt work
[07:16] <shining> RexM, hey :) you left gentoo ?
[07:17] <RexM> shining: i'm using ubuntu as of right now ;)
[07:17] <Fazer> How do I increase the volume of the sound?
[07:17] <RexM> it's pretty nice, although gnome is a little sluggish on my system..
[07:17] <Fazer> The volume is terribly low even if I increase its volume....
[07:17] <RexM> compared to openbox3.. which i was running on gentoo, lol
[07:17] <Fazer> I have to manually increase my laptop's speakers.
[07:17] <phxguy> I haven noticed anything detrimental while using the higher memory
[07:17] <shining> RexM, hehe. you still can
[07:18] <thomas001> gs tells me "Unknown device: hl1250" how to get this driver in ubuntu?
[07:18] <RexM> lol
[07:18] <shining> phxguy, anyway, I just know a patch for 1g mem. for 1.5 I guess you need himem anyway
[07:18] <yfir> RexM: this is a bit off topic, but how does openbox compare to fluxbox? i've been told to switch but I'm not sure why...
[07:19] <phxguy> shining: wheres the patch?
[07:19] <RexM> yfir: i've heard arguments from both sides, i guess i was just too lazy to setup fluxbox since i already had openbox installed
[07:19] <RexM> and i had made some themes for openbox already..
[07:19] <RexM> openbox doesn't have a panel or anything, it's just a WM..
[07:19] <shining> phxguy, I don't know what it'll do with 1.5 gig. kernel.kolivas.org
[07:19] <yfir> RexM: ok. just curious. since i've already got fluxbox set up nicely, i won't change unless there is a very good reason :)
[07:19] <RexM> development on openbox is very slow..
[07:19] <SeamusLP> NotANick:  Hello.  Playing Freeciv 2 :P
[07:19] <yfir> RexM: but nobody can give me one
[07:20] <RexM> hi
[07:20] <RexM> erm, wrong box
[07:20] <grumpysmurf> some window managers have panels..
[07:21] <kev__> i installed hoary and have 1 raid-1 partitions (comprised of hda7 and hdc1) for /home. the partition step of the install went less than smoothly and i ended up not specifying where to mount the raid device. so now when i boot i get 3 raid devices: md0 (comprised of only hda7), md1 (comprised of only hdc1), and md255 (comprised of hdc1). i've read that i should define the raid devices in /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf, but why are the existing devices getting
[07:21] <kev__>  created and how to i stop it? ie, i want only /dev/md0 (comprised of hda7 and hdc7) to be mounted as /home on boot.
[07:21] <fred23> hi
[07:21] <forsaker8k6> hi everybody
[07:21] <Fazer> Yo
[07:22] <fred23> how do i set the refresh rates for my monitors? i can only select 60Hz in the gnome tool...
[07:22] <Plexys> what is a good gnutella client for linux?
[07:22] <yfir> Plexys: gtk-gnutella
[07:22] <Fazer> man, i need to fix my volue
[07:22] <forsaker8k6> fred23: i guess you have to change maully the oprtions in you xf86 config file
[07:22] <Fazer> it way tooo low
[07:22] <synic> Plexys: apollon
[07:22] <forsaker8k6> manually*
[07:23] <shining> kev__, I thought ubuntu installer handled that
[07:23] <shining> kev__, at least debian one did flawlessly
[07:23] <yfir> fred23: you may need to edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[07:23] <forsaker8k6> yes right: ubuntu uses xorg :D
[07:23] <shining> kev__, on other distrib, I used mdadm manually. man mdadm
[07:23] <lunitik> haha @ Adobe Flash MX  ... Adobe is purchasing Macromedia  8)
[07:24] <forsaker8k6> Adobe what? O_o
[07:24] <grumpysmurf> hoary uses xorg, warty uses xfree.
[07:25] <Plexys> synic: can i use apollon on gnome?
[07:25] <kev__> shining: i'm able to delete md1 and md255, and properly construct md0 by hand. but i certainly don't want to do this every boot. do you know where the boot process is getting its info on raid devices?
[07:25] <lunitik> forsaker8k6: yeah... it was Macromedia's business Flash creation suite... and stuff
[07:25] <lunitik> Plexys: sure... I wouldn't recommend it though
[07:25] <grumpysmurf> i wonder i fthat will delay the amd64 linux port of flash.
[07:26] <shining> kev__, its done automatically with mdadm
[07:26] <fred23> forsaker8k6,yfir: i tried various settings in xorg.conf, still 60Hz :(
[07:26] <forsaker8k6> lunitik: yes i'm just reading the new on google news..
[07:26] <Plexys> lunitik: then which app should i use for gnutella?
[07:26] <shining> kev__, but I think you messed up something during the install. it would have been a lot easier
[07:26] <lunitik> forsaker8k6: kind of makes sense... although I sort of saw them as very different companies  :/
[07:27] <forsaker8k6> lunitik: i guess Adobe will conquer the world somday... :P
[07:27] <lunitik> forsaker8k6: same market though I suppose (graphic design folks)
[07:27] <kev__> shining: hmmm. perhaps i will try creating /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf and reboot. with any luck mdadm will look at that file and not try to auto-detect what devices to create. (/etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf is specified by /etc/init.d/mdadm and /etc/init.d/mdadm-raid as its conf files)
[07:27] <kev__> shining, i wish i hadn't buggered the install, but i really don't want to reinstall...
[07:28] <yfir> Plexys: gtk-gnutella is a great gnutella client
[07:28] <forsaker8k6> fred23: mmm i really don't know: that should work
[07:28] <shining> kev__, ok good luck
[07:28] <pagefault> wow people still use gnutella? :)
[07:28] <yfir> Plexys: you can get it if you enable Universe/Multiverse repos
[07:28] <synic> I think gtk-gnutella is terrible.
[07:29] <Plexys> yfir: i tried that but it wouldn't let me change the download folder
[07:29] <lunitik> pagefault: he wants giftoxic (apollon equiv. for GNOME) but someone recommended that
[07:29] <yfir> synic: works superbly for me
[07:29] <Fazer> man, i don't feel like going to work tomorrow =(
[07:29] <pagefault> lunitik, ahh
[07:29] <pagefault> P&G bought gilette?
[07:29] <synic> yfir: oh, it works... but that doesn't mean it's not the worst ui ever.
[07:29] <pagefault> this must be "buy out" day
[07:29] <lunitik> pagefault: yeah... nicotine would be even better... but yeah
[07:29] <lunitik> pagefault: yeah... like a month ago... never knew just how much they own
[07:30] <yfir> synic: depends what you're used to i guess. reminds me of dc++
[07:30] <lunitik> pagefault: I have like 40 products around the house, all owned by them... heh, never knew it
[07:30] <pagefault> lunitik, yeah they own us
[07:30] <pagefault> P&G or Colgate/Palmolive
[07:30] <lunitik> pagefault: they own everything you use to clean with, more than likely
[07:30] <pagefault> it's either one or the two :)
[07:30] <synic> yfir: ah, I've never used that.
[07:30] <lunitik> pagefault: crest
[07:31] <pagefault> isn't crest owned by P&G?
[07:31] <lunitik> pagefault: yeah
[07:31] <forsaker8k6> BTW it's a very interesting game: to go looking at you home product's etiquette and see they are another P&G product
[07:32] <pagefault> at at least now mrclean will get free razors to shave his head :)
[07:32] <Fazer> so
[07:32] <lunitik> forsaker8k6: boggled my mine... I hadn't even heard of P&G till earlier this year... now I find out I use most of their products... crazy
[07:32] <Fazer> anyone know how to increase the volume?
[07:32] <wezzer-_> alsamixer
[07:32] <lunitik> pagefault: hahaha
[07:32] <Fazer> wezzer-_: yeah, its all max, but I need it to be louder.
[07:32] <wezzer> get amplifier
[07:32] <forsaker8k6> lunitik: it happened the same to me.. it's just shocking...
[07:32] <Fazer> wezzer-_: amplifier? explain...
[07:33] <wezzer> umm
[07:33] <wezzer> it was kind of joke
[07:33] <wezzer> :)
[07:33] <Fazer> wezzer-_: suck
[07:33] <wezzer> what is your problem?
[07:34] <wezzer> sound is too low?
[07:34] <Fazer> wezzer-_: yeah =(
[07:34] <lunitik> Fazer: turn it up?
[07:34] <wezzer> what kind of speakers you got?
[07:34] <pagefault> ugh well going to breezy was probably not a smart thing :)
[07:34] <wezzer> you have volume knob integrated in those?
[07:34] <pixil9> Does ubuntu come with nvidia drivers by default?
[07:34] <Fazer> lunitik: figured i'd be a little smarter and would've done that?
[07:34] <Fazer> wezzer-_: I have it on my thinkpad...
[07:34] <Fazer> wezzer-_: yeah, but I have to turn it way up...
[07:35] <wezzer> hmm
[07:35] <forsaker8k6> pixil9: i think not... you have to install a package named nvidia-glx
[07:35] <vordhosbn> what program can i use to rename my mp3 collection to "artist/album/# - name.mp3" based upon their id3 tags?
[07:35] <forsaker8k6> or something like that
[07:35] <Fazer> wezzer-_: which isn't good if I boot up or the system beeps...that will be way loud.
[07:35] <lunitik> Fazer: the sound logo in top right... right click it... Open Volume Control ... turn up everything
[07:35] <wezzer> hmm, laptop
[07:35] <Fazer> lunitik: yeap, I did that when I was in gnome..
[07:35] <pixil9> forsaker8k6: Ok. Does it have a default kernel of 2.4.x or 2.6.x?
[07:35] <lunitik> Fazer: KDE now?
[07:35] <wezzer> Fazer: have you tried with headset?
[07:35] <yfir> Fazer: just a longshot, but some laptops have a separate volume control integrated into bios
[07:35] <Fazer> wezzer: headphones are the same.
[07:36] <pagefault> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#installnvidiadriver
[07:36] <Fazer> yfir: hmm, bah, it is fine in Windows
[07:36] <lunitik> pixil9: Warty = 2.6.8 ; Hoary = 2.6.10
[07:36] <pagefault> for help on nvidia driver
[07:36] <forsaker8k6> pixil9: i think hoatry comes with 2.6
[07:36] <Fazer> lunitik: I am in xfce, used to be in gnome
[07:36] <forsaker8k6> yes
[07:36] <pixil9> Cool.
[07:36] <lunitik> Fazer: can't fire up alsamixer?
[07:36] <pixil9> Hoary is developmeny then?
[07:36] <pixil9> development
[07:36] <forsaker8k6> no it's stable now
[07:37] <thepeacemaker> hey anybody here have video problems with hoary?
[07:37] <Fazer> lunitik: I did, anything that I can turn up is up...
[07:37] <pixil9> okay. I'll give it a shot
[07:37] <lunitik> pixil9: Breezy is stable
[07:37] <lunitik> unstable*
[07:37] <pixil9> ah okay
[07:37] <Fazer> PCM is up
[07:37] <pixil9> I'm just thinkin about switchin from basic debian
[07:37] <Fazer> (maxed out)
[07:38] <lunitik> Fazer: 'alsamixer'
[07:38] <Fazer> lunitik: yes, i know...
[07:38] <lunitik> Fazer: bah... I already said that... heh... yeah... XFce needs a sane way to not suck @ sound
[07:38] <Fazer> lunitik: i have tried it before, PCM and anything else that is enabled has volume as high as it can go
[07:38] <forsaker8k6> pixil9: you won't regret... maybe...
[07:38] <yfir> pixil9: if you're a debian stable user you'll be pretty comfortable with Hoary
[07:38] <Fazer> lunitik: even in gnome, i don't really notice a differene =/
[07:38] <calljair> guys the postfix system that comes with ubuntu, can be use as a email server?
[07:38] <pixil9> I usually just net install sarge
[07:38] <yfir> pixil9: plus you'll get more "modern" packages...
[07:39] <lunitik> yfir: a Debian Stable user is used to GNOME 1.4 ... pretty different  ;)
[07:39] <hexmode> pixil9: yes, postfix is a real mail server
[07:39] <forsaker8k6> asd
[07:39] <pixil9> I use X + openbox heh
[07:39] <Bazzi> holy sh** gnome 1.4...
[07:39] <pixil9> postfix is the one and only
[07:39] <lunitik> Bazzi: yup... in woody
[07:39] <yfir> lunitik: didn't know that :)
[07:39] <Bazzi> I wonder if sarge ever gets stable
[07:40] <forsaker8k6> Bazzi: i think it will never
[07:40] <lunitik> Bazzi: woody was released about 20 months ago... one day, they might actually get Sarge out the door
[07:40] <forsaker8k6> -_-
[07:40] <grumpysmurf> pixil9 careful, if you do that sendmail might send it somewhere.
[07:40] <pixil9> heh
[07:40] <Bazzi> yeah eventually it will become stable :)
[07:40] <grumpysmurf> lunitik, just in time for the 2.8 kernel.
[07:41] <grumpysmurf> and then debian will be behind, again.
[07:41] <lunitik> Bazzi: it was actually supposed to be released in February... but someone farted on that idea  :/
[07:41] <lunitik> grumpysmurf: you think that soon?  :P
[07:41] <Raskall> I think I will start up my own business now. I am at home with my little daughter until the end of june, and then I am out of a job. I want to sell ubuntu servers with firewall, spam-/virus-filtering mailserver, web server and windows server (samba) or terminal server (freeNX).
[07:41] <Bazzi> well the 2.6 kernel is good enough for the next 5 years, isnt it? :)
[07:41] <yfir> ubuntu is my first Debian-based distro. guess I was lucky...
[07:41] <thepeacemaker> i have a problem in that totem and mplayer won't play videos in hoary.  Anybody have this same problem?
[07:41] <grumpysmurf> :D
[07:41] <Raskall> that must be an interesting produkt for small and medium size businesses.
[07:41] <pixil9> thepeacemaker: are w32codecs installed?
[07:41] <lunitik> thepeacemaker: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[07:42] <thepeacemaker> pixil9, yes.  but problem still persists with regular mpg vids
[07:42] <lunitik> pixil9: is*  ... w32codecs is a single package  ;)
[07:43] <stianh> Hey, how do I get the mysql server running?
[07:43] <thepeacemaker> stianh, start mysqld?
[07:43] <Raskall> stianh: sudo /etc/init.d/mysqld start
[07:43] <bur[n] er> sudo /etc/init.d/mysqld start
[07:43] <stianh> hmm, I do not have mysqld in init.d
[07:43] <stianh> sorry
[07:44] <Raskall> stianh: then you a) has installed mysqld the wrong way or, b) not install mysql server at all.
[07:44] <stianh> lol, I had alot of mysql stuff installed, but not the actual binaries
[07:44] <stianh> sorry
[07:44] <bur[n] er> aww
[07:44] <stianh> :P
[07:44] <Plexys> how can i make a shortcut on the desktop to run a command in an external map?
[07:44] <Plexys> right now i have ' /home/patrick/LimeWire/sh ./runLime.sh'  but it doesn't seem to work
[07:45] <zab_> Plexys: do you have java installed?
[07:45] <zab_> and did you install limewire from the zip or with alien?
[07:45] <Plexys> yes, and it works in a terminal when i scroll to the map and type in sh ./runLime.sh
[07:45] <Plexys> but how do i make a shortcut for that command?
[07:45] <Plexys> what do i fill in in the command field?
[07:46] <zab_> Plexys: I've heard that alien-ing the rpm will create a shortcut for you
[07:46] <yfir> Plexys: add it to your /usr/local/bin/
[07:46] <yfir> Plexys: or some other path you are comfortable with
[07:47] <ups> Plexys: change it to: /bin/sh /home/patrick/LimeWire/runLime.sh
[07:48] <flodine> hoe do you change the splash screen in ubuntu
[07:48] <flodine> how
[07:48] <flodine> sorry
[07:48] <flodine> holla back
[07:49] <flodine> anyone
[07:49] <flodine> help
[07:50] <yfir> flodine: Configuration Editor -> apps -> gnomesession   is the easiest way if you are more confortable with a GUI
[07:51] <pixil9> k well ubuntu here i come.. hopefully i liek it
[07:51] <pagefault> if I submit a package to be included with ubuntu in the repository which one does it go into?
[07:51] <forsaker8k6> mmm... everyone: just a question what are the sources for univers and multiuniverse repos?
[07:51] <forsaker8k6> multiverse*
[07:51] <yfir> pagefault: if it's accepted, it wouldn't be available until Breezy anyway
[07:51] <pagefault> yfir, ahh
[07:51] <SirFred> Hello. My hoary is not automounting my cf cards. I'm suspecting one reason could be my fstab was from my old sid system (I installed Hoary on it).
[07:52] <SirFred> Do I need to have a entry for my cfcard (/dev/hde1 or something so) on my fstab?
[07:52] <Ocid> forsaker8k6: http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[07:52] <SirFred> I've seen that hal should automodify fstab, Isn't it ?
[07:53] <thomas001> yay i needed to patch ghostscript
[07:54] <thomas001> so let's test bugzilla
[07:54] <blueI> hi everyone
[07:54] <SirFred> When I insert a cf card, I can see in my .xsession-errors:
[07:54] <nickrud> floodline: look for GraphicalTheme in /etc/gdm/gdm.conf
[07:54] <SirFred> Error: File system name 'auto' is not valid  (original in spanish)
[07:55] <blueI> I have a question about the startup of the live-cd.
[07:55] <djm62> SirFred: it isn't identifying the fs...can you specify it?
[07:56] <SirFred> djm62: But where?
[07:56] <djm62> btw: spotted in central glasgow computer shop...warty livecds and install cds being given away
[07:56] <SirFred> djm62: I't supposed to be automatic.
[07:56] <blueI> can somebody tell me that what library is used for creating the text-mode startup? (I've used the gnome-10 livecd)
[07:57] <blueI> It is interesting for me to know that
[07:57] <djm62> SirFred: what's the context?
[07:57] <blueI> because it was great
[07:57] <yfir> djm62: at my uni's library, there was a stack of warty cds at the reference desk for a while...
[07:57] <thomas001> can i append patches to a bug once created?
[07:57] <pagefault> I wonder if anyone from ubuntu is going to be at the linux world expo here
[07:58] <nickrud> djm62, I got the 10 pack of warty, dropped 9 off at my library, and the librarian said they were gone in 2 hours.
[07:58] <SirFred> It seems that /etc/hal/device.d/fstab-update.hal should update the fstab properly.
[07:58] <ups> thomas001: yes, attach it in bugzilla
[07:58] <blueI> sorry for interrupting your discussion, but does anybody understood what I meant?!
[07:58] <blueI> I mean is it ncurses?
[07:58] <yfir> anyone received their Hoary cds yet? and will they be shipped to the same adress as the Warty cds if I haven't specifically asked for them?
[07:59] <djm62> SirFred: what filesystem is it?
[07:59] <nickrud> blueI, dunno
[07:59] <tbird> ncurses-base
[08:00] <blueI> thanks
[08:00] <SirFred> djm62: It's an vfat CF card.
[08:00] <djm62> nickrud: hadn't thought of doing that...maybe I'll order hoary
[08:00] <blueI> but I thought it doesn't support bidirectional text(like hebrew), and arabic, that actually it does!
[08:01] <tbird> blueI, not sure
[08:01] <djm62> SirFred: if you run mount -t auto /dev/sda1 /mount/dir does it work?
[08:01] <forsaker8k6> mmm sorry: how can i enable dma on my dvd drive?
[08:01] <blueI> can u suggest me how to find out this thing?
[08:02] <djm62> forsaker8k6: the tool you want is "hdparm"
[08:03] <djm62> forsaker8k6: once you have the right settings for that you can automate it
[08:03] <tbird> forsaker8k6, hdparm -d1 /dev/hdc (or whatever your drive is)
[08:03] <SirFred> djm62: No.
[08:03] <SirFred> djm62: It asks for the filesystem type.
[08:03] <nydust> will ubuntu come with an server edition?
[08:03] <Amaranth> nydust: It already does.
[08:03] <forsaker8k6> tnk you all
[08:03] <nydust> Amaranth, ??? url?
[08:03] <Amaranth> nydust: Boot the install CD with the "server" option.
[08:04] <forsaker8k6> djm62|tbird: how can i automate it?
[08:04] <Amaranth> It'll install a very minimal system that you can build a server on.
[08:04] <nydust> Amaranth, aha.. What is different?
[08:04] <megamind> hi again ...
[08:04] <nydust> Amaranth, nice
[08:04] <Amaranth> No X, no GTK, no QT, etc, etc.
[08:04] <megamind> how do i play mpe songs ? in ubuntoo
[08:04] <Amaranth> Basically the minimum ammount of stuff to make the system boot into a command line.
[08:04] <megamind> ? somebdoy haev any idea
[08:05] <Amaranth> mp3?
[08:05] <nydust> Amaranth, just server apps? how is it compered with debian
[08:05] <pagefault> sudo apt-get install xmms
[08:05] <Amaranth> nydust: Not even server apps. Why should Ubuntu decide what kind of server you want?
[08:05] <forsaker8k6> mmm... something is weong with hdparam
[08:05] <blueI> So, you're talking about Hard disks. Does anybody knows how to adjust the disk cache?
[08:05] <Amaranth> nydust: But those are all just an apt-get away.
[08:05] <nydust> Amaranth, thats true
[08:05] <pagefault> server should really be called 'bare'
[08:05] <pagefault> since thats what it is
[08:06] <blueI> It really annoys me to have 256MB of ram, and at the same time, 150MB of disk cache!
[08:06] <megamind> xmms is a multimedia application ?
[08:06] <pagefault> thats normal, linux will adjust your cache as more ram is needed
[08:06] <djm62> blueI: cache isn't a bad thing
[08:06] <blueI> i want to adjust it
[08:06] <blueI> as many other kernel parameter
[08:07] <blueI> but when my system falls on swap, wow!
[08:07] <paxmaster> just anybody know a good network scanner
[08:07] <pagefault> you can adjust it, but there really isn't a good reason to
[08:07] <blueI> bad things happen
[08:07] <forsaker8k6> can someone help me with this hdparam? pleazzzzz
[08:07] <paxmaster> i am getting hit
[08:07] <djm62> blueI: swapoff, if you really want....but I don't think it will improve your experience
[08:07] <sjnovick> Hi all.  I have an audio question.  I just installed Ubuntu Hoary and find that some sound words and some sound does not.
[08:07] <sjnovick> Can anyone help?
[08:07] <tbird> forsaker8k6, http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-16360.html
[08:08] <blueI> at the same time, it is using the swap for caching ram on the hard disk, and at the same time using disk cache for caching hard disk on ram!
[08:08] <pagefault> linux is not like windows where it uses all your ram as disk cache and then forgets about it :)
[08:08] <synic> is swsusp in the standard ubuntu kernel?
[08:08] <honeydew> hello, Im running ubuntu horay on my compaq v2000, I have windows XP on one partition and ubuntu installed on a later partition on the hd... now when I try and boot winxp I get grub  error 29: write disk boot error... I googled quite abit and havnt been able to find anything.. on the subject...
[08:08] <honeydew> robotnik is hear as wel on the subjecty
[08:08] <forsaker8k6> tnx a lot tbird ;)
[08:08] <foxiness> hi all :)
[08:09] <blueI> hi
[08:09] <Pluk> hiya
[08:09] <SirFred> What process is the one that automounts removable devices?
[08:09] <tbird> forsaker8k6, np
[08:09] <honeydew> how could I look and see what partition XP is on
[08:09] <Pluk> SirFred, gnome-volume-manager
[08:09] <ups> SirFred: gnome-volume-manager
[08:09] <blueI> that is a daemon, as I know
[08:09] <honeydew> I think it may have something todo with that
[08:09] <SirFred> I'm talking about pcmcia devices.
[08:09] <foxiness> this is my first time on ubuntu and i and my firend have some Q
[08:10] <SirFred> Pluk, ups : And how gnome-volume-manager is informed about the filesystem type?
[08:10] <Pluk> autodetects
[08:10] <djm62> blueI: http://kerneltrap.org/node/3202?from=100&comments_per_page=50
[08:10] <ups> SirFred: i believe hal tells it, but why do u want to know that?
[08:10] <djm62> blueI: if you want to get into that, be informed
[08:10] <SirFred> ups: Well, my pcmcia CF card is not mount automatically.
[08:11] <SirFred> I would like to fix it, but I don't know what players are involved.
[08:11] <sjnovick> Can anyone pick up an audio question?
[08:11] <ups> SirFred: probably file a bug then?
[08:11] <sjoerd> SirFred: that's caused by problems in the kernels ide layers.. known problem
[08:11] <blueI> thanks djm62
[08:11] <foxiness> my firends use dail-up to connect to internt "an use eth" and am not see anything about dail-up on ubuntu
[08:12] <SirFred> sjoerd: Well, it's only with my cf cards. Other ide devices work for me.
[08:12] <flodine> anyone in here run teamspeak mine wont open
[08:12] <flodine> holla back
[08:12] <nickrud> foxiness, pppconfig to set it up, pon and poff to control.
[08:12] <SirFred> sjoerd: I've seen a .xsession-errors log that says that filename 'auto' is not valid or something so.
[08:12] <flodine> teamspeak help
[08:13] <paxmaster> i need a good network scanner
[08:13] <sjoerd> SirFred: other ide doesn't involve pcmcia :)
[08:13] <forsaker8k6> tbird: /dev/hda:
[08:13] <forsaker8k6>  setting using_dma to 1 (on)
[08:13] <forsaker8k6>  HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted
[08:13] <forsaker8k6>  using_dma    =  0 (off)
[08:13] <paxmaster> does anybody know one
[08:13] <djm62> SirFred: I think it's to do with your hardware...best to file a bug with details of what hardware you have
[08:13] <forsaker8k6> how can you explain?
[08:13] <paxmaster> i think hacker are trying to connect my computer
[08:13] <SirFred> OK. I'll do so.
[08:13] <djm62> SirFred: can you mount it manually with -t vfat?
[08:14] <SirFred> djm62: Yes.
[08:14] <nickrud> forsaker8k6, did you sudo it?
[08:14] <forsaker8k6> nickrud: yep
[08:14] <djm62> SirFred: at least it's only inconvenient then...small blessings ;)
[08:15] <hobocop> beautiful
[08:15] <nickrud> I just ran hdparm here, got same error without, worked with.
[08:15] <SirFred> Should I expect hibernation to work in my Thinkpad A21m ?
[08:15] <SirFred> Is there any hardware compatibility list for ubuntu hoary ?
[08:15] <forsaker8k6> mmm... i can assure i sudoed it :D
[08:15] <Pluk> SirFred, only of you dont use the fglrx ati driver
[08:15] <SirFred> Pluk: :)
[08:15] <nickrud> forsaker8k6,  ??
[08:15] <ups> SirFred: yes, on the wiki
[08:16] <Pluk> if the a21m has ati inside
[08:16] <foxiness> nickrud, thanks , for great tip , now am try  it
[08:16] <djm62> SirFred: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptopsIBM
[08:16] <blueI> djm62, wow! That was a huge thread on the forum! I hope I can finish it until death. But as I agree to 'RTFM'+RTFforums, I will read them all!
[08:16] <SirFred> Pluk: This is not that new. It has a mach64 mobility card.
[08:16] <SirFred> djm62: Thanks.
[08:16] <forsaker8k6> nickrud: i say i ran sudo hdparm -d 1 /dev/hda
[08:16] <djm62> blueI: it's not as simple as "swap==slow" (surprised me, since I'm non-CS)
[08:16] <forsaker8k6> but you saw the effect
[08:17] <pagefault> hibernation does with work the fglrx with some hackery to your rc scripts :)
[08:17] <nickrud> forsaker8k6, your dvd is on hda?
[08:17] <pagefault> I find hibernation almost useless though
[08:17] <Raskall> What is a good company name for a firm selling ubuntu servers to small and medium size businesses?
[08:17] <pagefault> it almost takes the same amount of time to do a cold boot
[08:17] <djm62> forsaker8k6: I ran a setup like that...did you build yourself?
[08:17] <forsaker8k6> yep... ls -l /dev/dvd -> hda
[08:17] <pagefault> than it does to come back from hibernation
[08:18] <forsaker8k6> (just a moment the phone :P )
[08:18] <hobocop> a company name eh
[08:18] <djm62> pagefault: if you're compiling mozilla, and running out of battery near the end...but it is too slow
[08:18] <hobocop> the first question I have seen that I can contribute to lmao
[08:18] <pagefault> djm62, hmm maybe
[08:18] <Raskall> hobocop: :)
[08:19] <flodine> someone help with teamspeak
[08:19] <flodine> anyone use it
[08:19] <pagefault> plus the ipw2200 drivers that ubuntu hoary shipped with hate hibernation mode
[08:19] <pagefault> :)
[08:19] <djm62> pagefault: that was from personal experience :-/ definitely an edge case
[08:19] <hobocop> though the hibernate issue I thought worked fine with enabling acpi controls
[08:19] <acidburn> hello people, rise and shine
[08:19] <acidburn> ;)
[08:19] <hobocop> I mean it did on my laptop
[08:19] <hobocop> I didnt have to config anything
[08:20] <djm62> flodine: I don't use it...and it looks like nobody here does: does it have an irc channel of its own?
[08:20] <hobocop> I use it
[08:20] <hobocop> not on linux yet
[08:20] <Raskall> hobocop: I have to get a new job from august on and want to start a company that sells ubuntu servers and service for file/print, mail and web to small and medium size firms. I am trying to make some promo information in scribus now.
[08:20] <hobocop> cool
[08:21] <hobocop> very cool
[08:21] <djm62> Raskall: Freeserve ;)
[08:21] <xris> does ubuntu/debian have an install system like redhat's kickstart that would allow for preconfigured semi-automated installs (from pxe boot)?
[08:21] <foxiness> why ubuntu not include any front-ppp "any app for dail-up user?"
[08:22] <paul_> Would somebody want to help a noob with a (probably) stupid problem
[08:22] <acidburn> paul, sure
[08:22] <hobocop> what is the command to kill everything and reload the gnome menus in ubuntu
[08:22] <Raskall> djm62: hmm.. I am not going to host anything. Want to sell installations for a fixed prize (maybe $500) and then remote manage their systems for a fixed prize, say 150-200 dollars a month.
[08:22] <hobocop> :)
[08:22] <forsaker8k6> oi i'm back :P
[08:22] <kev__> hobocop, killall gnome-panel
[08:22] <hobocop> thanks
[08:22] <djm62> foxiness: does menu: System->Administration->Networking help you?
[08:22] <forsaker8k6> i was sayng: i'm sure that my dvd is /dev/hda
[08:22] <kev__> hobocop, see http://www.ubuntuguide.org/
[08:22] <hobocop> I had that on some ubuntu web page but couldnt find it again
[08:23] <forsaker8k6> so i can't explain the error i got
[08:23] <paul_> ok i have a compal cl56 and i followed the guide found here http://heim.ifi.uio.no/~krisvh/linux/cl56.html
[08:23] <paul_> to set up my ipw2200
[08:23] <hobocop> bookmark'D
[08:23] <djm62> Raskall: low-spec cups/samba servers?
[08:24] <acidburn> paul, RTFM
[08:24] <acidburn> j/k ;)
[08:24] <paul_> but when i do a mobprobe ipw2200 i get this error " FATAL: Error inserting ipw2200 (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/drivers/net/wireless/ipw2200.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg) "
[08:24] <foxiness> djm62, , Wow amazing "am coming from the past , oh fc3 :)"
[08:25] <Raskall> djm62: yes, and postfix/amavisd-new/clamav/spamassassin mail servers for those who want. Or maybe host mail on my own server for them. Will assist in hooking them up to the net, registering domains and managing them.
[08:25] <forsaker8k6> mmmm.. if i run #sudo hdparm /dev/hda i get: (sorry for the annoing output)
[08:25] <forsaker8k6> /dev/hda:
[08:25] <forsaker8k6>  IO_support   =  0 (default 16-bit)
[08:25] <forsaker8k6>  unmaskirq    =  0 (off)
[08:25] <forsaker8k6>  using_dma    =  0 (off)
[08:25] <forsaker8k6>  keepsettings =  0 (off)
[08:25] <forsaker8k6>  readonly     =  0 (off)
[08:25] <forsaker8k6>  readahead    = 256 (on)
[08:25] <forsaker8k6>  HDIO_GETGEO failed: Invalid argument
[08:26] <Choubaka> enable dma
[08:26] <foxiness> djm62, i think now my firend will happy with this "thanks"
[08:26] <djm62> flodine: that teamspeak support channel: #Teamspeak on uk.quakenet.org
[08:26] <Pluk> forsaker8k6, use #flood or http://nopaste.biz/ for long outputs
[08:26] <Raskall> djm62: and if they only have old and slow computers get them to buy a higher spec server and run terminal server (freenx)
[08:26] <Choubaka> hdparm -d1 /dev/hda
[08:26] <forsaker8k6> yes Choubaka that was the problem
[08:26] <flodine> thxs
[08:26] <fantomette> hello, i've a kernel panic with Hoary. (pivot_root : no such file or directory ; /sbin/init : 428 : cannot open dev/console : no such file). Probably because i removed a harddisk from my computer. How can i solve this problem without reinstalling ?
[08:26] <forsaker8k6> ok sorry Pluk
[08:26] <paul_> so hobocop thats where im at, and im still at the point where i need  to be spoken to like i am forign
[08:27] <hobocop> hmm, doesnt ubuntu come with glib preinstalled?
[08:27] <Pluk> forsaker8k6, thats no problem
[08:27] <hobocop> ok paul I am a newbie myself
[08:27] <forsaker8k6> Choubaka: i can't activate it: it pops out an error
[08:27] <hobocop> but I will take a look
[08:27] <forsaker8k6> Choubaka: HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted
[08:28] <djm62> Raskall: sounds like a good idea...are you experienced?  just choose a nonsense disyllable ;-)
[08:28] <hobocop> whoa you re not thunderclese from lws are you?
[08:28] <Raskall> djm62: have not decided to actually do it yet, but I will research the market and send out DM's to see if it is possible to earn money on it.
[08:29] <kev__> still having issues with a raid-1 setup for /home. i tried creating an appropriate /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf but then startup fails (i've read it's a known issue that device nodes are created before fsck is run). so i've removed the conf file, reboot, and find that /dev/md0 is comprised of the 2 proper drives (hda7 and hd1). but when i try to mount md0 it gives a fs-type error. ditto if i stop the raid device and mount either partition by hand. but i kn
[08:29] <kev__> ow the partitions are good as i can boot using a rescue cd and manually mount them... any thoughts?
[08:29] <Raskall> djm62: I am experienced with windows and have played with linux and integration of the two for as long as linux has existed.
[08:29] <flipy> hi
[08:29] <flipy> where can I get a list of available repositories?
[08:29] <Raskall> djm62: my problem is that I don't have any documented knowledge of linux.
[08:29] <hobocop> supositories
[08:30] <hobocop> :)
[08:30] <djm62> Raskall: I'm the same...although I've only used linux since 2.2
[08:30] <Raskall> djm62: ok. I made my first linux install in 1993.
[08:30] <forsaker8k6> mmm... i searche the web for the error about dma
[08:30] <flipy> so, where can i find some mirrors for the ubuntu respositories?
[08:30] <djm62> AceMan: feel free to talk in-channel rather than PMing me
[08:30] <forsaker8k6> and i found that maybe i have to compile my mob chipset support into the kenel: is it possible?
[08:31] <Zico> I installed Ubuntu, now when I restart computer, there is no boot manager to choose windows / ubuntu.. how can I activate boot manager?
[08:31] <nickrud> forsaker8k6, http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-9285.html to start
[08:31] <AceMan> djm62: soz about that, was an accident. <shrinks back into dumb noobie lurker mode>  :)
[08:31] <djm62> forsaker8k6: but try to find out if there is a pre-compiled kernel without that problem...save the trouble
[08:32] <hobocop> yes welcome to the club aceman
[08:32] <kev__> even weirder, i can mount the device md0 only once. if i umount and then mount again, i get the fs type error... wtf?!
[08:32] <forsaker8k6> tank you nickrtud: don't know how to live without you :D
[08:32] <AceMan> thanks hobocop
[08:32] <djm62> AceMan: welcome...talking in channel is always good
[08:32] <hobocop> yes we will be linux gurus in a year or seven
[08:32] <hobocop> watch out
[08:32] <paul_> so nothing hobo?
[08:32] <forsaker8k6> noproblem djm62: i wold have recompiled my kernel anyway some day :D
[08:32] <hobocop> I am looking paul
[08:32] <hobocop> but not seeing a whole lot that I could do lmao
[08:32] <hobocop> sorry man
[08:32] <hobocop> I will keep looking
[08:32] <djm62> hobocop: the true master is someone that started before you did ^_^
[08:33] <paul_> oh ok sorry i am at work so my focus is elsewhere
[08:33] <forsaker8k6> i can't live without recompiling my kernel... gentoo teached me :P
[08:33] <hobocop> hey flipy
[08:33] <hobocop> SHUNNED :)
[08:33] <carlos-d-man> how may I see how much RAM is being used by a certain process?
[08:34] <djm62> Zico: menu: Applications->System Tools->GrubConf
[08:34] <fantomette> hello, i've a kernel panic with Hoary. (pivot_root : no such file or directory ; /sbin/init : 428 : cannot open dev/console : no such file). Probably because i removed a harddisk from my computer. How can i solve this problem without reinstalling ?
[08:34] <flipy> :/
[08:34] <djm62> (why is that not in System->Administration?)
[08:34] <xris> flipy: I feel your pain.
[08:35] <hobocop> no I am looking for you flippy
[08:35] <hobocop> harnessing the internet
[08:35] <flipy> oh thanks hobocop
[08:35] <flipy> i did some googleing
[08:35] <flipy> and found nothing
[08:35] <farruinn> fantomette: you don't have a B&W G3 mac do you?
[08:35] <Zico> no GrubConf under system tools :(
[08:35] <acidburn> fantomette, i had the same message after i tried to boot to a master drive after adding a slave that was the master on another computer
[08:35] <hobocop> did you already uncomment those two biggies in the sources.list file?
[08:35] <mcphail> Any idea why, since upgrading to hoary, I have a /dev/ and /.dev/ filesystem mounted? Bug or feature?
[08:35] <acidburn> i just had to change the jumpers
[08:36] <fantomette> farruinn : no, an Intel x86
[08:36] <djm62> carlos-d-man: menu: Applications->System Tools->System Monitor (processes tab)
[08:36] <paxmaster> someone one in freenode is try to breakin to my computer :) lol
[08:36] <flipy> hobocop what? i didn't change anything
[08:36] <hobocop> ok good
[08:36] <hobocop> I know two big ones you can do
[08:36] <hobocop> :)
[08:36] <flipy> ok :)
[08:36] <bluefoxicy> Can I burn a video CD from a .mov file in Linux that will play in a PS2?
[08:36] <hobocop> http://ubuntuguide.org/index.html#repositories
[08:36] <hobocop> basically they are already on your computer
[08:36] <nickrud> mcphail: the .dev is the old hardwired one, the /dev is run by udev, it dynamically changes to match your hardware
[08:36] <hobocop> you just need to uncomment two lines, to let it read them
[08:36] <hobocop> :)
[08:36] <acidburn> fantomette: are all the jumpers correct?
[08:37] <djm62> Zico: oh...do you know how to use the package installer?
[08:37] <xris> so..  no ideas, anyone?  (does ubuntu/debian have an install system like redhat's kickstart that would allow for preconfigured semi-automated installs (from pxe boot)?)
[08:37] <fantomette> acidburn : i was reading your answer i wondering... first i try to be sure to understand :|
[08:37] <acidburn> lol
[08:38] <fantomette> acidburn : but i do my best ;)
[08:38] <djm62> bluefoxicy: you need "transcode" to convert the format: you can do it, but ISTR it's quite involved
[08:38] <nickrud> xris: I don't use them, but there's fai in debian
[08:38] <nickrud> fully automated install
[08:38] <bluefoxicy> djm62: find me something on it?
[08:38] <Choubaka> Hmm.
[08:38] <xris> nickrud: that might do it, thanks.  and ubuntu supports it, I assume/
[08:38] <Choubaka> forsaker8k6: maybe you haven't loaded the drivers for your chipset.
[08:39] <forsaker8k6> a question: where can I find a ubuntu  "default" .config file for the kernel?
[08:39] <djm62> bluefoxicy: my answer to that will be silence for decency's sake...google ubuntu transcode for starters
[08:39] <bluefoxicy> djm62:  also, transcode is not installable
[08:39] <bluefoxicy> but gtranscode is
[08:39] <Zico> Package grubconf is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, hase been obsolete, or is only available from another source
[08:39] <mcphail> nickrud: thanks
[08:39] <bluefoxicy> except it depends on transcode
[08:39] <nickrud> xris, ubuntu, i don't know
[08:39] <forsaker8k6> Choubaka: mmm... i'll have to find what module i need to load
[08:39] <carlos-d-man> thanks djm62
[08:39] <xris> nickrud: seems to.  thanks, that gives me somewhere to start looking.
[08:39] <djm62> Zico: What version are you running?
[08:40] <farruinn> forsaker8k6: should be right in /boot I thought
[08:40] <bluefoxicy> djm62:  what format od I need and what do I have to do to burn a vcd?  cdrecord.mmap -dev=ATAPI:/dev/hdc -data foo.mpeg or something?
[08:40] <Zico> 5.04
[08:40] <Zico> I installed this today
[08:40] <Raskall> I will call my "product" SMUBUNTU Server (Small/Medium Ubuntu Server)
[08:40] <meuserj|work> bluefoxicy, check out "tovid"
[08:40] <pixil9> Can anyone point me to a howto/faq on nvidia drivers for 5.04?
[08:40] <bluefoxicy> meuserj|work:  there's no package in synaptic for 'tovid'
[08:41] <farruinn> pixil9: www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDrivers maybe?
[08:41] <farruinn> pixil9: might be something useful on ubuntuguide.org too
[08:41] <meuserj|work> no.. it's new.. so you'll have to compile it.. but it is the best conversion tool I've found
[08:41] <Raskall> is there a web page with ubuntu clipart I can use in publications?
[08:41] <hobocop> yes Zico I am a veteran of ubuntu, almost 2 days installed
[08:41] <foxiness> can i watch "DVD/CD" on live-cd distro "ubuntu"?
[08:41] <forsaker8k6> farruinn: there's nothing in /boot
[08:41] <meuserj|work> http://tovid.sourceforge.net/
[08:41] <bluefoxicy> meuserj|work:  but what format do I need and what do I have to do to burn it to cd?  special options to cdrecord?
[08:41] <pixil9> ok
[08:41] <forsaker8k6> nothing .config i mean
[08:42] <Raskall> foxiness: with 2 cd/dvd drives it shouldn't be a problem.
[08:42] <raziir>  /msg NickServ IDENTIFY ziggy77
[08:42] <Zico> I tried to install it with command: sudo apt-get install grubconf
[08:42] <farruinn> raziir: oops
[08:42] <raziir> :)
[08:42] <Zico> was it correct way?
[08:42] <raziir> nope ..
[08:42] <meuserj|work> bluefoxicy, you need mpeg2 format at a specific resolution, and audio bitrate.. I don't know the exact numbers.. I just use Tovid to figure it all out for me....
[08:42] <djm62> Zico: have you added universe and multiverse to your repositories?
[08:42] <foxiness> Raskall, great to hear that "but am on laptop" :)
[08:43] <hobocop> lool raziir
[08:43] <bluefoxicy> meuserj|work:  ah
[08:43] <bluefoxicy> meuserj|work:  alright, esay enough
[08:43] <Zico> haven't done those things yet... are you saying that it's not possible to configure boot loader after the basic install? :((
[08:43] <Raskall> foxiness: I have 2 optical drives on my laptop. :)
[08:43] <djm62> foxiness: ISTR MandrakeMove! does that, but I don't think the ubuntu liveCD can
[08:43] <pixil9> thx found it
[08:43] <jii> What is "laptop-mode" ?
[08:43] <Zico> I thought it's something that should be there to be able to get back to other OS
[08:43] <hobocop> you are able to Zico
[08:43] <foxiness> raziir good password
[08:43] <djm62> Zico: no...but it would be easier to use a graphical tool
[08:44] <Zico> shouldn't it make that bootloader automatically during install?
[08:44] <hobocop> do you even see when it says GRUB and then is passes to all the loading stuff
[08:44] <raziir> foxiness: yeah .. used for all crap .. :)
[08:44] <hobocop> because you can just press esc then
[08:44] <Zico> I pressed esc
[08:44] <hobocop> nothing?
[08:44] <Zico> but there is only Ubuntu
[08:44] <forsaker8k6> no idea on how to find a ubuntu .config "default" file, for linux kernel?
[08:45] <hobocop> ohohoh
[08:45] <Zico> and safe mode of ubuntu
[08:45] <hobocop> ouch
[08:45] <farruinn> fantomette: /boot/config-2.6.10*?
[08:45] <Zico> windows is on another hard drive
[08:45] <hobocop> I have ubuntu and windows on two seperate hard drives
[08:45] <fantomette> farruinn : what do you mean ? :)
[08:45] <hobocop> nonethless it gives me all the optionw
[08:45] <hobocop> s
[08:45] <djm62> Zico: so you see a boot menu, but with no windows?
[08:45] <paul_> thanks hobo but i gotta run
[08:45] <forsaker8k6> farruin: nothing like that in /boot
[08:45] <Zico> but because windows HD is big, I had to use some special software to make HD visible on this old computer
[08:45] <hobocop> ya sorry paul
[08:46] <hobocop> oh
[08:46] <farruinn> fantomette: oops, sorry :)
[08:46] <hobocop> hm
[08:46] <Zico> yes, when I press ESC then it gives 3 possibilities
[08:46] <Zico> none of them is Windows
[08:46] <bluefoxicy> meuserj|work:  i can't build tovid
[08:46] <foxiness> Raskall, djm62 , for than i will download "install one tomorrow" its good distro its need more tried i think
[08:46] <nickrud> forsaker8k6, I've got config-2.6.10-5-386 in my /boot
[08:46] <tbird> should be like /boot/config-2.6.10-5-386
[08:46] <forsaker8k6> farruin: damn me! yes there is one :D
[08:46] <bluefoxicy> transcode:
[08:46] <bluefoxicy> [08:46] <bluefoxicy> The transcode package was not found. This package is used for
[08:46] <hobocop> and you of course checked the other menu option
[08:46] <forsaker8k6> i'm just blind :D
[08:46] <bluefoxicy> meuserj|work:  transcode is not installable
[08:46] <fantomette> farruinn : i'm sorry, i don't understand :)
[08:46] <meuserj|work> bluefoxicy, you need to add the marillat sources....
[08:47] <bluefoxicy> meuserj|work:  source?
[08:47] <nickrud> bluefoxicy, search for nerim.net, that's the marillat repositories, it's on a wiki somewhere
[08:47] <djm62> Zico: does ubuntu see your windows drive once it loads?
[08:47] <meuserj|work> bluefoxicy, just a sec.. looking for wiki
[08:47] <foxiness> can i ask "stupid Q" as ubuntu "rpm or deb "
[08:47] <Zico> so.. I take it as installation of Ubuntu fucked up windows boot sector or something?
[08:47] <Zico> I'll try
[08:47] <Zico> now I try to disable Linux HD on BIOS
[08:48] <Zico> if it gets me windows directly
[08:48] <farruinn> Zico: you have to enable windows in your grub config file
[08:48] <bluefoxicy> libdvdcss as well is not available
[08:48] <meuserj|work> bluefoxicy, look at section 2.2: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats/view
[08:48] <nickrud> bluefoxicy, marillat again :)
[08:48] <fateisajester> does ubuntu really ship you cds for free?
[08:48] <farruinn> fateisajester: sure does
[08:48] <hobocop> yes
[08:48] <acidburn> foxiness, its deb
[08:48] <acidburn> being based on debian
[08:48] <djm62> fateisajester: yep
[08:48] <dcooper> takes a bit
[08:48] <dcooper> but yeah
[08:48] <fateisajester> wow
[08:49] <nickrud> fateisajester, they prefer to ship in lots of 10 :)
[08:49] <hobocop> well the guy made 540 million dollars
[08:49] <fateisajester> what a cool company
[08:49] <dcooper> does anyone have experience with the netgear wg311t as the wiki says it works out of the box, but doesnt seem 2 be happening for my hoary install
[08:49] <Zico> how can I see grub config file?
[08:49] <tbird> Zico, you need something like this in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[08:49] <tbird> title           Microsoft Windows XP Professional
[08:49] <tbird> root            (hd0,0)
[08:49] <tbird> savedefault
[08:49] <tbird> makeactive
[08:49] <tbird> chainloader     +1
[08:49] <djm62> Zico: emacs /boot/grub/menu.lst
[08:49] <tbird> Zico, you need to change root            (hd0,0) to what yours is
[08:49] <mishof> Anyone ever tried to compile the acecad driver under ubuntu ? it gives me errors :(
[08:49] <farruinn> you may not want the savedefault in there, no?
[08:49] <forsaker8k6> mmm.. sorry if i ask another question: bat why apt can't find the ncurses-devel package?
[08:49] <forsaker8k6> but*
[08:49] <djm62> Zico: sudo emacs /boot/grub/menu.lst if you want to edit it
[08:50] <foxiness> acidburn, thanks , when i wrote "rpm" i found it ?
[08:50] <meuserj|work> forsaker8k6, libncurses5-dev is probably what you want
[08:50] <djm62> (but as you're finding out...you want to be sure of getting it right)
[08:50] <forsaker8k6> thank you meuserj|work
[08:50] <acidburn> foxiness, when you wrote it where?
[08:50] <meuserj|work> forsaker8k6, np
[08:50] <hobocop> ok I may be retarded, but doesnt ubuntu come with a ftp client?
[08:50] <mishof> can someone help me by trying to compile something ? (really short compilation, like 2 sec)
[08:50] <foxiness> acidburn, on shell :)
[08:51] <pagefault> hobocop, sudo apt-get install gftp if you want a graphical one
[08:51] <nickrud> hobocop, gftp
[08:51] <Burgundavia_> hobocop, not by default
[08:51] <hobocop> amazing
[08:51] <yfir> hobocop: ofcourse, but you might want gftp if you need something graphical
[08:51] <hobocop> thanks guys and gals
[08:51] <acidburn> foxiness: it has a package called rpm, but it's there just to point you to alien
[08:51] <grumpysmurf> ubuntuuuuuuuuu!  i like chocolate.
[08:51] <JDahl> mishof, what do you need to compile?
[08:51] <nickrud> there's always lftp :)
[08:51] <Burgundavia_> hobocop, ftp on the cli
[08:51] <pagefault> or you could use nautilus :)
[08:51] <bluefoxicy> gtranscode:
[08:51] <bluefoxicy>  Depends: transcode  but it is not installable
[08:51] <foxiness> haha
[08:51] <bluefoxicy> meuserj|work: with the mariamta thing sources
[08:51] <djm62> true...nautilus
[08:51] <bluefoxicy> marillat
[08:51] <mishof> JDahl, hi, its a driver for my acecad tablet, and it gives me errors while compiling ...
[08:51] <yfir> yeah, nautilus works i guess. forgot about that
[08:52] <hobocop> lol
[08:52] <JDahl> mishof, cant help you with that
[08:52] <nickrud> nautilus? how's that work
[08:52] <djm62> damned integration ;)
[08:52] <pagefault> in the location just put ftp://somesite.com
[08:52] <foxiness> acidburn, thanks for your great info
[08:52] <djm62> nickrud: menu: Places->Connect to Server
[08:52] <pagefault> or ftp://user:password@somesite.com
[08:52] <pagefault> same thing for sftp://
[08:52] <acidburn> foxiness: np
[08:52] <fateisajester> 1 quick question... does anyone know how the radeon 7000 performs with this distro?
[08:52] <djm62> I use it to keep my webspace up to date via sftp
[08:53] <mishof> JDahl, the weird thing is - there is a part in the code that does "if linux version < 2.6 then " and my kernel is greater than 2.6 and yet it goes there, if i remove that code it compiles. any ideas ?
[08:53] <pagefault> I like the built in sftp support, you can open files like it was a network drive so you can stream them through totem or whatever
[08:53] <nickrud> integration :)
[08:53] <bluefoxicy> meuserj|work:  transcode just doesn't exist :/
[08:53] <foxiness> i c on ubuntu "nautilus" if i open it , it take great place "first 3 one" is this gnome2.1 or ubuntu work ?
[08:53] <JDahl> mishof, that's probably too specific to get help from here, when we cannot try the compilation ourselves
[08:53] <Zico> sudo: emacs: command not found
[08:54] <djm62> Zico: oh, sorry: use gedit in place of emacs
[08:54] <mishof> JDahl, you can try compiling yourself, it only creates an .o file
[08:54] <pagefault> fateisajester, I have a friend with a 7000 IGP, it performs as well as windows
[08:54] <bluefoxicy> it's not in debian sid on alioth, not in breezy, not in    deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat unstable main -.-
[08:54] <grumpysmurf> use vi instead of emacs, gedit or nano.
[08:55] <fateisajester> ok...cool. thx
[08:55] <meuserj|work> bluefoxicy, I could have sworn transcode was in marillat... have you enabled "universe" and "multiverse"
[08:55] <nickrud> grumpysmurf, vim!
[08:55] <pagefault> fateisajester, just don't expect to play something like UT2004 on it :)
[08:55] <bluefoxicy> meuserj|work:  yes, but only 3 packages from openoffice.org2 are available too so :/
[08:55] <yfir> haha, a vim vs. vi flamewar??
[08:55] <grumpysmurf> its not as 'intuitive' for new users, but its installed on every unix known to man.  except for those weirdos that install their gentoo with only emacs ><
[08:55] <BSDNoob> Does anyone also has problems with the crypto tutorial for encrypted disks? I always get error: Wrong Parameter
[08:55] <bluefoxicy> meuserj|work:  the repositories here are full of holes.
[08:55] <grumpysmurf> nickrud, sure.
[08:55] <n0xis> sonar
[08:55] <bluefoxicy> meuserj|work:  they released without finishing up all issues on all platforms >/
[08:55] <grumpysmurf> nickrud, vi is an alias for vim on my system :)
[08:56] <foxiness> can i ask somthing whay ubuntu do not have GUI install "like anaconda"
[08:56] <nickrud> grumpysmurf, darn, I though we could have a internal struggle before returning to the war with emacs.
[08:56] <meuserj|work> bluefoxicy, transcode is in multiverse....
[08:56] <yfir> vim is a good candidate for "best software ever"
[08:56] <grumpysmurf> foxiness i believe that was in the about ubuntu or faq or something, i read it this weekend.
[08:56] <grumpysmurf> i hate emacs.
[08:56] <grumpysmurf> :)
[08:56] <dcooper> hehe
[08:56] <dcooper> me 2
[08:56] <bluefoxicy> meuserj|work: Package transcode is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[08:57] <djm62> does vi bring up a menu-enabled version when you run it in X?
[08:57] <foxiness> grumpysmurf, thanks for your weekend tip ;)
[08:57] <Zico> ok, I think I altered menu.lst correctly, now I try
[08:57] <jason> djm62: yes, install vim-gnome
[08:57] <yfir> djm62: gvim is version for taht
[08:57] <grumpysmurf> there's gvim, which is a fancy gui for vim.
[08:57] <hor> djm62: gvim does for example
[08:57] <meuserj|work> well crap... sorry.. I installed it a long time ago.. appearantly before they took it back out..
[08:57] <tbird> bluefoxicy, just find a rpm for it and use alien to create a .deb
[08:57] <grumpysmurf> foxiness, i'd get a link for you but a) you can find it in the search easily enough and b) my browser is full of design document tabs.
[08:58] <VVeIrD> 
[08:58] <djm62> but, if you did sudo vi /etc/junk...would it be an inscrutable window?
[08:58] <bluefoxicy> meuserj|work:  they released hoary without actually building half of it for amd64 or something.  A lot of the stuff I used on the 586 is half-installable here
[08:58] <yfir> djm62: it would be a terminal, yes
[08:58] <dcraven> djm62, you could always try it.
[08:58] <bluefoxicy> tbird:  you can't find 64 bit rpms of anything either.
[08:59] <tbird> bluefoxicy, yeah i know
[08:59] <meuserj|work> bluefoxicy, yeah.. I noticed.. I run amd64 too.  you can try building from source (apt-get build-dep <packagename>;apt-get --build source <packagename>)
[08:59] <djm62> dcraven: yeah, yeah...just interested :-/
[08:59] <grumpysmurf> i haven't destroyed a box by recompiling the kernel.  however, i have managed to mangle a box from installing a kernel...
[08:59] <yfir> djm62: if you must have a graphical interface with your editor, vim might not be the best choice anyway
[08:59] <grumpysmurf> "ooops, didn't include IDE support that time"
[08:59] <grumpysmurf> yfir indeed
[08:59] <yfir> djm62: but if you like to work fast and put some time into learning it, vim can't be beat
[08:59] <Zico> djm62 and others: thanks, now i'm able to get to windows again =)
[08:59] <bluefoxicy> meuserj|work:  most people run amd64 these days I think; #gentoo-amd64 has 200+ people in it
[09:00] <bluefoxicy> and amd64 machines are cheap
[09:00] <djp> how do you achieve the transparent windows etc in hoary?
[09:00] <djm62> yfir: obviously not for me...but if I'm telling someone here to edit a file...needs to be obvious
[09:00] <mishof> 2 Questions: How can i check my kernel version, and what package contains the kernel source ?
[09:00] <dcooper> uname -a
[09:00] <GhostNr1> When you should install something with apt-get install <package name> and it is dependent on another lib, and that lib is to new (Python 2.4 is installed but it need 2.3) can you say that it should install 2.3 in some way?
[09:00] <Seveas> bluefoxicy, amd64 is little more then a niche, certainly not used by most of the people
[09:00] <grumpysmurf> bluefoxicy, you'd think with that kind of userbase there'd be an amd64 flash plugin.
[09:00] <meuserj|work> mishof, uname -a will tell you what kernel you are runnint
[09:00] <yfir> djm62: I think 'gedit' is a pretty safe bet when giving advice :)
[09:00] <grumpysmurf> but indeed, it is far from taking the majority of market share.
[09:00] <bluefoxicy> grumpysmurf:  eh, macromedia responded to an e-mail with that with "that sounds like a very good idea" a year ago
[09:00] <bodyman> hi
[09:00] <meuserj|work> djm62, or nano
[09:01] <djm62> yfir: yeah...that's what I meant to say, but "emacs" falls under my fingers for some reason ;)
[09:01] <dcooper> i like nano and pico
[09:01] <nickrud> bluefoxicy, it's so busy because they need so many workarounds :)
[09:01] <foxiness> thank you grumpysmurf for your help , now i must go "i need to watch me DVD" on old distro i have "b this live-cd" THANKS 4 every one help me
[09:01] <grumpysmurf> bluefoxicy, and a year later where are we?  no strongbad on amd64.
[09:01] <mishof> meuserj|work, thanks:) now how can i download the package with the source?
[09:01] <foxiness> b4n
[09:01] <grumpysmurf> foxiness, np, glad i could help, no matter how vague my advice was :)
[09:01] <Seveas> GhostNr1, that depends on the lib
[09:01] <bluefoxicy> Seveas:  there are at least 2 people in any irc channel I'm in that have amd64, and it's only that low because most of the channels I'm in are furry channels
[09:01] <yfir> dcooper: i don't know. if someone only used to Windows opens up nano, they'll be pretty freaked out :)
[09:01] <GhostNr1> Seveas > python
[09:01] <dcooper> anyone have experience with the netgear wg311t card?
[09:02] <meuserj|work> mishof, apt-get install linux-source-X.Y.ZZ
[09:02] <hobocop> no stongbad :'(
[09:02] <bodyman> i'm using the hoarty livecd for trying to repair a faulty debian unstable lilo. Is it possible to cross-install a grub package with a livecdM
[09:02] <meuserj|work> will put a tarball in /usr/src/
[09:02] <dedinje> how do I edit Grub so my Windows partition is the one that loads by default?
[09:02] <foxiness> grumpysmurf, dont say that you "just do your best" realy
[09:02] <Seveas> GhostNr1, if the package depends on python2.3 it will install python2.3, if it depends on python explicitely at 2.3 or less, it will refuse to install or want to uninstall python 2.4
[09:02] <bodyman> Sorry for the M, my keyboard is broken...
[09:02] <bluefoxicy> E: Unable to find a source package for transcode
[09:02] <grumpysmurf> bodyman you can chroot a shell in the target filesystem and run lilo/grub from there.
[09:03] <djm62> yfir: true...especially since "^" is not standard english for ctrl-key
[09:03] <djp> does anyone know how you achieve transparent windows look and feel in hoary?
[09:03] <bluefoxicy> bah fuck this.
[09:03] <grumpysmurf> djp generally from a window manager that supports transparency, or apps that do.
[09:03] <Seveas> bluefoxicy, don't forget the non-irc-using majority...
[09:03] <bodyman> thanls grumpysmurf!
[09:03] <joosep> hi
[09:03] <SirFred> I have a problem with my wireless.
[09:03] <bluefoxicy> Seveas:  anyone without irc doens't count
[09:03] <nickrud> bodyman, if you search for lilo heaven, you'll find a good walkthrouh
[09:03] <SirFred> DOn't know if its ubuntu related.
[09:03] <joosep> i'm having trouble compiling my kernel under ubuntu
[09:03] <djm62> dedinje: change the "default" line at the start...numbering starts at zero
[09:03] <mishof> meuserj|work, thanks :-
[09:03] <Seveas> right...
[09:03] <SirFred> Apr 18 07:41:25 localhost kernel: eth0: New link status: Disconnected (0002)
[09:03] <SirFred> Apr 18 07:41:27 localhost kernel: eth0: New link status: Connected (0001)
[09:03] <SirFred> Apr 18 07:51:25 localhost kernel: eth0: New link status: Disconnected (0002)
[09:04] <bluefoxicy> SirFred:  broadcom chips don't work
[09:04] <SirFred> Some times I have those logs.
[09:04] <joosep> it gives me a heap of warnings and finally stops at acpi
[09:04] <djp> grumpysmurf: i gather that is not the default windows manager in hoary, right?
[09:04] <SirFred> And lost connection for a couple of seconds or so.
[09:04] <Seveas> SirFred, which card/chip and which authentication?
[09:04] <GhostNr1> Seveas > okej, well python 2.4 is used by other programs so I don't think it will remove that one, but it say (dependence: python (<2.4) but 2.4.1....... will be installed
[09:04] <joosep> i'm trying to compile it because i need fbsplash
[09:05] <Seveas> yeah, GhostNr1 this kind of dependency will NOT install or want to uninstall Py2.3
[09:05] <SirFred> Seveas: orinoco using WEP/64bits.
[09:05] <SirFred> Seveas: Driver is 0.13e
[09:05] <djm62> djp: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20769
[09:05] <djm62> djp: in case you haven't seen that yet
[09:06] <GhostNr1> Seveas > Okej, can I fix this in some way?
[09:06] <SirFred> On starting the network it also says:
[09:06] <Seveas> SirFred, any indication from access point logfiles on what went wrong?
[09:06] <SirFred> eth0: Error -110 setting multicast list.
[09:06] <joosep> i'm pretty sure it's some sort of linux-header problem
[09:06] <djp> djm62: thanks for that
[09:06] <Seveas> GhostNr1, not likely, isn't there a py2.4 version of that library?
[09:06] <joosep> but i can't quite solve it
[09:06] <SirFred> Seveas: My access point is not able of those features, I think.
[09:06] <kkathman> if anyone has experience with wine and the msi loader I could use a little help
[09:07] <GhostNr1> Seveas > the program (freevo) use py 2.3 and not 2.4
[09:07] <Seveas> GhostFreeman, from which repository did you download it?
[09:07] <Seveas> SirFred, are the loglines you pasted the only loglines about the error?
[09:07] <SirFred> Seveas: Yes, the only ones I've found.
[09:07] <GhostNr1> Seveas > and it's when I try to install it via apt-get install I get the error
[09:08] <Seveas> SirFred, then sorry, don't know how to help you...
[09:08] <Seveas> GhostNr1, from which repository does it download it, ubuntu?
[09:08] <SirFred> Seveas: Thanks anyway.
[09:09] <GhostNr1> Seveas > http://freevo.sourceforge.net/debian unstable main
[09:11] <Seveas> GhostNr1, sounds like you cannot install freevo until the freevo devs solve the Py2.4 issues
[09:11] <GhostNr1> Seveas > okej
[09:11] <zao_> hi, i just installed ubuntu on my amd64 (nforce3 i think, mis k8n neo2). anyway: it is dead slow, way slower then debian i had before, and with debian i had only the kernel 64bit, not the userspace.
[09:12] <zao_> so .. anyone could _guess_ (i know, i know) what this is?
[09:12] <Seveas> zao_, did you install an amd64 kernel?
[09:12] <beggar> is there anyway to have presentation image in gaim (protocol MSN)?
[09:12] <Seveas> beggar, yes
[09:12] <djp> djm62: ...think i'll forget about that for now! thanks for the link. quite a bit of dicking about involved
[09:12] <beggar> how?
[09:12] <zao_> seveas:  2.6.10-5-amd64-generic
[09:13] <zao_> so, yes. that was my first guess also, b/c it is comparable in speed now with an 32bit kernel i had running sojme time ago
[09:13] <djm62> beggar: Accounts->modify then change the "buddy icon" (load whatever file you want)
[09:13] <Seveas> beggar, tools->accounts
[09:13] <Seveas> select account, click modify
[09:13] <Seveas> the rest shows itself :)
[09:13] <dcooper> ive been struggling with wlan for a bit, have a new card and trying 2 install the madwifi drivers, when i do, i get this....can anyone give me some guidance?
[09:13] <dcooper>  make
[09:13] <dcooper> Checking if all requirements are met... ok.
[09:13] <dcooper> mkdir -p ./symbols
[09:13] <dcooper> for i in ./ath_hal ath_rate/onoe ./net80211 ./ath; do \
[09:13] <dcooper>         (cd $i; make) || exit 1; \
[09:13] <dcooper> done
[09:13] <dcooper> make[1] : Entering directory `/home/dcooper/madwifi/ath_hal'
[09:13] <zao_> for example: esd sometimes hang, when i have multiple tabs open in browser.
[09:13] <dcooper> uudecode ./../hal/public/i386-elf.hal.o.uu
[09:13] <dcooper> make[1] : uudecode: Command not found
[09:13] <dcooper> make[1] : *** [hal.o]  Error 127
[09:13] <dcooper> make[1] : Leaving directory `/home/dcooper/madwifi/ath_hal'
[09:13] <dcooper> make: *** [all]  Error 1
[09:13] <Seveas> dcooper, CUT IT OUT
[09:13] <djm62> except that "buddy icon" is synonymous with avatar etc
[09:14] <Seveas> no pasting here!!
[09:14] <hobocop> lol
[09:14] <zao_> does one have to tune s/t for nforce?
[09:14] <beggar> tks Seveas , how can i be so stupid... :P
[09:14] <djm62> dcooper: pastes like that in #flood
[09:14] <dcooper> apologies
[09:14] <dcooper> but im going fukg crazy
[09:14] <Seveas> dcooper, madwifi drivers are standard in ubuntu
[09:14] <hobocop> one quick question: I am editing start up program via system>sessions and was wondering how to get the terminal up
[09:14] <farruinn> pasting makes everyone else crazy though
[09:14] <Seveas> you do not need to compile them
[09:15] <farruinn> hobocop: just add gnome-terminal to the list
[09:15] <hobocop> ok thanks :)
[09:15] <Pluk> dcooper, if you want to compile them you need sharutils
[09:15] <dcooper> so they should be in apt repository?
[09:15] <Seveas> dcooper, install the linux-686 package if you are on intel linux-k7 on amd linux-ppc on mac
[09:15] <lalo> who can i put a picture display in my gaim messenger?
[09:15] <Seveas> that will install linux-restricted-modules
[09:15] <Pluk> but madwifi is in restructed modules
[09:15] <hobocop> does the order really matter?
[09:15] <Seveas> lalo, scrool about 40 lines back
[09:15] <farruinn> hobocop: no, it's up to you
[09:16] <acidburn> lalo, go to accounts, and click modify for the account you want the pic for
[09:16] <djm62> lalo: or ask beggar ;)
[09:16] <hobocop> ok, I was just thinking if there was an error in one would it disrupt ze process
[09:16] <beggar> lol
[09:16] <SirFred> I installed hoary on a sid system, so I'm not sure about some configuration.
[09:16] <djm62> 0.0
[09:16] <crimsun> configuration for what?
[09:17] <SirFred> For example, my pcmcia card is configured using the pcmcia package. Is this the usual way on ubuntu?
[09:17] <synic> hey folks... hotplug keeps detecting my wireless card as acx_pci, which it is not.  I have to unload this module to get the card to work
[09:17] <synic> how can I stop it from being loaded?
[09:17] <crimsun> synic: echo "acx_pci" | sudo tee -a /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[09:17] <SirFred> My /etc/network/interfaces has all the eth0 parameters hardcoded, so was on Debian sid.
[09:18] <synic> crimsun: thanks
[09:18] <SirFred> Perhaps the way is to use hotplug?
[09:18] <crimsun> if it works now, just leave it be :)
[09:19] <nickrud> crimsun, you don't want us playing with our shiny new toys ;)
[09:20] <djm62> mmm...learning-by-breaking :)
[09:20] <SirFred> The problem is that on some startup stage, some process is trying to configure the loopback interface with iwsetup.
[09:20] <SirFred> s/iwsetup/iwconfig/
[09:20] <Chipparn> hi.. i got a question. im running ubuntu 64bit. can i get the w32codecs to work somehow?
[09:20] <nickrud> well, there's so little broken we have to break things to fix them
[09:20] <SirFred> So, I think that perhaps my problem is that my configuration is not optimal for ubuntu.
[09:20] <Pluk> Chipparn, only in a 32bit chroot
[09:21] <hobocop> yes and you have to build it :)
[09:21] <hobocop> I was just reading about that
[09:21] <crimsun> nickrud: go right ahead and play with them, just don't file reports after you break 'em ;)
[09:21] <Chipparn> pluk: ok and what is that?,,
[09:22] <djm62> SirFred: how does /etc/network/interfaces look?
[09:22] <Pluk> its a 32bit environment
[09:22] <SirFred> djm62: I have a mapping hotplug section
[09:22] <SirFred> djm62: With script grep and mapping eth0 usb0
[09:22] <Pluk> makes you install/load 32bit apps with a 64bit kernel
[09:22] <djm62> ok
[09:22] <SirFred> djm62: After that I have sections for eth0 and usb0.
[09:22] <nickrud> crimsun: did that a few years ago in debian, and got my wrist slapped. Learned that lesson well :)
[09:23] <SirFred> djm62: eth0 has wireless-mode parameters.
[09:23] <Pluk> Chipparn, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24575 i used this guide
[09:23] <Chipparn> pluk: thanks :)
[09:23] <djm62> that's sane enough :-/
[09:23] <Pluk> yw
[09:23] <SirFred> djm62: eth0 and lo0 have an auto statement.
[09:23] <bourrin> hello!
[09:23] <djm62> lo0?
[09:23] <SirFred> Finally, I have:
[09:23] <SirFred> iface ppp0 inet ppp
[09:23] <SirFred> provider ppp0
[09:24] <nooneyouknow> has anyone got cvs cedega working in ubuntu?
[09:24] <nooneyouknow> got a craving for some deus ex.
[09:24] <SirFred> djm62: Excuse me, lo. Mixing solaris and linux worlds.
[09:24] <djm62> ah :)
[09:24] <SirFred> djm62: le0 + lo = lo0
[09:24] <SirFred> lol
[09:25] <djm62> SirFred: was your hardware "just working" on sid?
[09:25] <SirFred> djm62: Yes it was.
[09:25] <dave_> im having problems installing an xmms skin, it shud go in /usr/share/xmms/ yeh? in a skins dir?
[09:25] <SirFred> djm62: And works now also, but those extrange logs on boot up...
[09:25] <crimsun> dave_: ~/.xmms/Skins/
[09:25] <bourrin> someone knows how to repare some broken packages ?
[09:26] <SirFred> djm62: It looks like lo is taken as a wireless device.
[09:26] <djm62> SirFred: yeah...that's really strange
[09:26] <dcooper> bourrin in synaptic there is a filter for broken packages and a choice to repair
[09:26] <SirFred> ompaul: :)
[09:26] <drspin> Ever since I switched to Hoary I can't open a new X session (i.e. Applications -> System Tools -> New Login)
[09:26] <djm62> SirFred: back up /etc/network/interfaces and reconfigure in ubuntu?
[09:27] <djm62> SirFred: and how clean was the upgrade?
[09:27] <SirFred> djm62: Another thing is that the eth0 is being started up by pcmcia.
[09:27] <dave_> what does th .xmms signify?? sorry im new
[09:27] <SirFred> djm62: It looked clean at all.
[09:27] <tsume> :)
[09:27] <ompaul> dave_, it is a directory with config files withing
[09:27] <farruinn> dave_: ~/.xmms is a hidden directory in your home directory
[09:28] <SirFred> djm62: I'm a little confused with all this new guys in town: hald, hotplug,...
[09:28] <dave_> ah i see
[09:28] <tsume> too bad java is slow bloat
[09:28] <farruinn> dave_: ls -A will show you hidden directories
[09:28] <acidburn> wow, Adobe is buying Macromedia
[09:28] <acidburn> lol
[09:28] <SirFred> djm62: I used  just tp tell pcmcia  to ifup my interfaces.
[09:28] <dave_> ah cool cheers
[09:28] <tsume> acidburn: old news ;)
[09:28] <bourrin> dcooper, yes but it doesn't work because it says that in "coreutils" i have an empty file
[09:28] <acidburn> yea, lol
[09:28] <lalo> how is that acidburn?
[09:28] <drspin> acidburn: uh?? what???
[09:28] <SirFred> djm62: The pcmcia ones, of course.
[09:28] <acidburn> i just heard on the radio, lol
[09:28] <grumpysmurf> that was on /. like hours ago, so it is old news two weeks ago
[09:28] <XenocideII> Hi. A machine is asking me for the CD. There's an image mounted. Where can I tell it that the CD is in *place*? (no GUI)
[09:29] <ompaul> dave_, any file starting with . is hidden from a normal ls the file can also be of the class directory
[09:29] <acidburn> this could be good or bad
[09:29] <ompaul> acidburn,  they could burn out
[09:29] <zao_> Seveas: installed -k8 instead of -generic. a bit faster now, but if i start a java-app, i cant even use the console in acceptable speed
[09:29] <djm62> SirFred: yeah...that's why I'm thinking starting from a file with just lo in it and configuring from gnome might shake out the wrinkles...and you can always replace /e/n/interfaces if it doesn't
[09:29] <nooneyouknow> acidburn, id say its pretty bad.
[09:29] <acidburn> imagine if they open-source flash
[09:29] <acidburn> lol
[09:29] <SirFred> djm62: Well, I'm going to try. Thanks.
[09:29] <nooneyouknow> the state of art tools like that was pretty poor under the oligopoly we had before.
[09:29] <ompaul> acidburn, do we really need that?
[09:29] <tbird> imagine if they ported shockwave to linux
[09:30] <acidburn> lol
[09:30] <nooneyouknow> now its a monopoly. companies that own whole markets dont need to innovate.
[09:30] <acidburn> it would be nice
[09:30] <tbird> now thers something that seems to never gonna happen
[09:30] <djm62> I heard...that macromedia tested the creation tools on wine in-house
[09:30] <ompaul> nooneyouknow, yeah by keeping others out
[09:30] <AcidWolf> anyone know how to setup fluxbox
[09:30] <djm62> this was in a mainstream print magazine
[09:30] <markuman> #ubuntu-sex
[09:30] <markuman> lol
[09:30] <grumpysmurf> acidwolf apt-get install fluxbox ?
[09:30] <yfir> AcidWolf: i set it up on my machine. what do you need to know?
[09:30] <kev__> anyone familiar with raid-1 in hoary? in particular, i have an existing raid-1 partition md0 (comprised of hda7 and hdc1) that is not getting auto-mounted. and my attempts to auto-mount it at boot cause the fsck run to complain...
[09:30] <farruinn> markuman: random?
[09:30] <crimsun> AcidWolf: enable universe then install it.
[09:31] <AcidWolf> well i got it installed and im in it now
[09:31] <AcidWolf> and i i dont have a full menu
[09:31] <markuman> what random?
[09:31] <djm62> AcidWolf: install menu and menu-xdg
[09:31] <farruinn> markuman: ubuntu-sex?
[09:31] <yfir> AcidWolf: you have to manually edit the menu or (haven't tried it) get download the menu editor
[09:31] <yfir> AcidWolf: there should be example menu files in /usr/share/fluxbox/ or somewhere like that
[09:31] <markuman> channel #ubuntu-sex
[09:31] <AcidWolf> where do i get menu and menu-xdg
[09:32] <AcidWolf> cause the only thing that was on synaptic was Fluxbox
[09:32] <crimsun> AcidWolf: apt-get install 'em
[09:32] <nickrud> AcidWolf, they're availble in synaptic
[09:32] <AcidWolf> i installed that and thats all there was
[09:32] <djm62> AcidWolf:  apt-get or synaptic...searh
[09:32] <AcidWolf> ok
[09:32] <crimsun> although I don't think fluxbox uses fd.o's xdg spec
[09:32] <yfir> AcidWolf: package fluxconf comes with a menu editor, but i haven't tried it so...
[09:33] <yfir> AcidWolf: it's actually very easy to manually edit your own menu file
[09:33] <djm62> relatively speaking
[09:34] <AcidWolf> well i just apt-get installed menu-xdg
[09:34] <AcidWolf> so that is now installed
[09:34] <AcidWolf> what else do i need
[09:34] <kev__> anyone, any experience with raid and mdadm?
[09:34] <AcidWolf> i take it i restart fluxbox now
[09:34] <dave_> how wud i go about installing a different theme for gnome?
[09:34] <zao_> Seveas: ok can work around that with 'nice'.
[09:35] <AcidWolf> dave_
[09:35] <zao_> anyone else got some tuning hints for a amd64 machine?
[09:35] <djm62> dave_: System->Preferences->Theme
[09:35] <acidburn> dave: System -> Preferences -> Themes
[09:35] <acidburn> lol
[09:35] <AcidWolf> gnomelook
[09:35] <RustyShackleford> How do I set up a wireless network in Ubuntu?  I have a wireless G card and a wireless router.  I share a DSL connection.
[09:35] <AcidWolf> wow
[09:36] <AcidWolf> um
[09:36] <AcidWolf> ok i gues i really did need menu-xdg
[09:36] <Seveas> RustyShackleford, which card?
[09:36] <AcidWolf> lol it worked
[09:36] <Bazzi> RustyShackleford gnome has some GUI frontend for network, have you ste that up?
[09:36] <AcidWolf> thanks boys and girls
[09:36] <crimsun> AcidWolf: oh, more items?
[09:36] <grumpysmurf> RustyShackleford, have you searched http://ubuntulinux.org for "wireless"
[09:36] <Seveas> RustyShackleford, read the WirelessNetworkHowto on the ubuntu wiki
[09:36] <AcidWolf> lots of items
[09:36] <AcidWolf> :D:D:D:D
[09:36] <crimsun> AcidWolf: good.
[09:36] <AcidWolf> bbl
[09:36] <vordhosbn> what package provides gnomeconf.sh?
[09:36] <AcidWolf> gonna make it look all pretty now
[09:37] <crimsun> vordhosbn: libgnome-dev, which is the _old_ version of gnome.
[09:37] <hobocop> would anyon
[09:37] <hobocop> e oops lol
[09:37] <zao_> ther should have been some hints at www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/installation-amd64, anyone knows where this has gone?
[09:37] <vordhosbn> crimsun: will it try and install all of the older gnome, or just the libs?
[09:38] <crimsun> vordhosbn: the libs as necessary.
[09:38] <vordhosbn> crimsun: thanks alot
[09:38] <dave_> im in the theme window but which file do i click to install it?
[09:38] <hobocop> would anyone recommend some gnome features, like desktop themes, or special items like a rss feed aggregator for your desktop?
[09:38] <drspin> Ever since I switched to Hoary I can't open a new X session (i.e. Applications -> System Tools -> New Login)
[09:38] <hobocop> just to pretty it u
[09:38] <hobocop> p
[09:38] <hobocop> :)
[09:38] <zao_> hobocop: lieferea
[09:39] <hobocop> and wha praytell is that :)
[09:39] <tobi_v> Hi, I got "The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly." when reinstalling grub, is that normal?
[09:39] <tsume> microsoft's slander needs to stop
[09:39] <hobocop> well go on a holy war tsume
[09:39] <joosep> would it be safe to compile my own kernel from kernel.org
[09:39] <hobocop> there is no other way
[09:39] <dave_> im in the theme window but which file do i click to install it?
[09:40] <joosep> or is it modified in ubuntu
[09:40] <crimsun> joosep: it's safe
[09:40] <azad> is there a possibility to change the standard-time-server?
[09:40] <joosep> ok, thanks
[09:40] <azad> cause it's not correct for me
[09:40] <drspin> Ever since I switched to Hoary I can't open a new X session (i.e. Applications -> System Tools -> New Login)
[09:40] <hobocop> zao_ what is lieferea, and where can I get it :):)
[09:41] <yfir> hobocop: liferea is an rss(etc.) feed reader. available in universe/multiverse repos
[09:41] <hobocop> sweetness
[09:41] <yfir> hobocop: i use it, it's quite nice
[09:41] <makkia> hello
[09:41] <makkia> i have dist-upgrated from warty to hoary
[09:41] <makkia> and OpenLDAP is died
[09:42] <hobocop> any other cool little things you guys recommend
[09:42] <zao_> hobocop: rss reader, i love it
[09:42] <zao_> where to get it: dunno, i uncommented all repositories in my sources.list
[09:42] <hobocop> yes I got it now
[09:42] <hobocop> I just had to find it in the list
[09:43] <Pluk> azad, check /etc/default/ntpdate
[09:43] <djm62> hobocop: inkscape is a great wee app if you want to draw...combine with openclipart.org for true schweetness
[09:43] <RustyShackleford> O.K.  I have my wireless card in and when I push scan for network, it doesn't find my network.
[09:44] <djm62> (and do check out the help tutorials...good idea well done)
[09:44] <hobocop> thanks dj :)
[09:44] <grumpysmurf> are you broadcasting your ESSID (bad idea) ?
[09:44] <hobocop> I will take any and almost all recomendations
[09:44] <drspin> RustyShackleford: how far from the WAP are you?
[09:44] <RustyShackleford> I'm about 6 ft from it.
[09:44] <djm62> hobocop: money-back guarantee!
[09:44] <drspin> grumpysmurf: not  bad idea if you're using encryption
[09:44] <yfir> hobocop: not sure if you like this sort of thing, but root-tail is quite cool
[09:44] <pagefault> grumpysmurf, it's only bad if people can get a signal :)
[09:44] <kev__> what's the pass column used for in /etc/fstab?
[09:45] <grumpysmurf> pagefault, meh.
[09:45] <yfir> hobocop: displays logs in your root window. might not work well if you use nautilus to draw your desktop though
[09:45] <djm62> kev__: determining when to do a filesystem check
[09:45] <drspin> Ever since I switched to Hoary I can't open a new X session (i.e. Applications -> System Tools -> New Login)
[09:45] <makkia> this is a problem: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/hu5YM635.html
[09:45] <hobocop> is nautilus the default gnome drawer
[09:45] <yfir> hobocop: yes
[09:45] <hobocop> ah
[09:45] <jcie> Hi, having a problem updating the screen resolution, no drop down options, Refresh rate shows 0Hz. Any ideas? (Using laptop, external monitor)
[09:45] <kev__> djm62: can you elaborate? ie, what's a value of 2 vs a value of 3 do?
[09:45] <azad> thanks a lot, Pluk
[09:45] <hobocop> I am a Ubuntu user of 2 days now
[09:45] <hobocop> so lmao
[09:45] <yfir> hobocop: easy to switch off, but you'll lose right=click context menu on the desktop (and other such things)
[09:45] <Pluk> yw azad
[09:46] <BedLamp> hey. maybe someone can help me(absolute linux n00b)
[09:46] <lalo> mmm someone is from mexico?
[09:46] <djm62> kev__: oh, no...my bad...man fstab explains it quite near the top
[09:46] <BedLamp> i try to do apt-get update and it doesnt manage to connect
[09:46] <hobocop> yfir: I think I will keep it, but thanks for the recomendation
[09:46] <kev__> djm62: thanks
[09:46] <BedLamp> it might be because im behind a proxy
[09:47] <zao_> does anyone here use hdparm? what is the ubuntu way to save the setting? on debian i would just run a script on startup
[09:47] <zao_> but i guess that is even incorrect on debian
[09:47] <ompaul> BedLamp, you have to tell people what you want to do, so they can figure out what it is that you need help with, and then they will know if they have anything to add to the situation
[09:47] <crimsun> zao_: /etc/hdparm.conf
[09:47] <ompaul> oooppp
[09:47] <ompaul> oooppps
[09:47] <BedLamp> im trying to update/upgrade ubuntu
[09:47] <drspin> zao_: the only drive that you can hdparm at boot is /dev/hda the other drivers aren't loaded till after the script runs so for the cdrom devices, you have to run a script at startup
[09:47] <BedLamp> i have the warty distro at the moment
[09:48] <deFrysk> BedLamp, used sudo ?
[09:48] <BedLamp> ja
[09:48] <BedLamp> i also unquoted the sources.list
[09:48] <kev__> djm62: i've got a raid-1 device (md0) comprised of hdc1 and hda7. if i put a value of 2 in /etc/fstab startup bitches (fsck in particular). a value of 3 works though...
[09:48] <BedLamp> it says coneecting and then times out
[09:48] <kev__> djm62: any explanation for that?
[09:48] <drspin> zao_: every time I boot I run sudo hdparm -d1u1c1X69 /dev/hda; sudo hdparm -d1u1c1X66 /dev/hdd
[09:49] <djm62> kev__: not that I know...never had raid
[09:49] <zao_> drspin: thx, i wonder why that isnt standardized ..
[09:49] <drspin> zao_: I would do it for /dev/hdc but the cd drive is blacklisted for some seemingly unknown reason -- no one has been able to tell me why
[09:50] <BedLamp> when i go into the sources.list it gives me this error : "Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed."
[09:50] <hobocop> this is a lively channel 8)
[09:50] <BedLamp> any thoughts?
[09:50] <crimsun> drspin: what about running hdparm on hdd after gdm has started?
[09:51] <zao_> drspin: you dont use -c3?
[09:51] <drspin> crimsun -- I do, after I login ;)
[09:51] <drspin> zao_: c3??
[09:51] <drspin> zao_: I thought it was on or off... what's the difference?
[09:51] <pixil9> Anyone have info on gettin mplayer to work? the marillat sources are messed
[09:51] <mishof> I've installed the linux-source package (kernel code), now on my /usr/src i got the src as a tar.gz ... sould i extract it to get the source ? (its seems weird thats its tar.gz)
[09:52] <Seveas> pixil9, you need mplayer-custom
[09:52] <Seveas> and set the sound device in the mplayer config
[09:52] <pixil9> under multiverse right
[09:52] <zao_> drspin:  i dont know what it means excactly, but 32bit sound good to me :)
[09:52] <djm62> mishof: yes, you should...it's like that so you can untar it wherever you like
[09:52] <crimsun> mishof: it should be a tar.bz2
[09:52] <djm62> (and that)
[09:52] <mishof> crimsun, yeah that :)
[09:52] <mishof> djm62, ok thanks
[09:53] <pixil9> mplayer-custom: Depends: libavcodec2 but it is not installable
[09:53] <crimsun> pixil9: do you have a Pentium 4?
[09:53] <markuman> hello
[09:53] <pixil9> crimsun: no an athlon
[09:53] <crimsun> pixil9: then you must install mplayer-k6
[09:53] <pixil9> o
[09:53] <markuman> if i want to mount a new hdd. in the fstab under /tmp. what will happen with the files who are at the moment in /tmp
[09:53] <markuman> ???
[09:54] <tobi_v> hi pplz
[09:54] <crimsun> markuman: they will be masked.
[09:54] <drspin> zao_: I wonder if my burner supports that LOL
[09:54] <crimsun> markuman: use /mnt instead
[09:54] <djm62> markuman: I think they'll be masked
[09:54] <_brannolte> newbie:I have trouble running acpi and usb together on an hp/compaq nx9105 laptop
[09:54] <tobi_v> can someone tell me why grub-install tells me "The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly."
[09:54] <tobi_v> ?
[09:54] <gunny> I've done it now, I've totally borked my paths and can't do an ls on any directory  help?
[09:55] <drspin> tobi_v: because it can't read the file -- use chroot and MANUALLY reinstall Grub to the MBR
[09:55] <zao_> drspin: and d1 works w/o problem? i get  HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted. but i remember getting in on debian also ..
[09:55] <djm62> gunny: /bin/ls
[09:55] <tobi_v> how do I do that
[09:55] <drspin> zao_: using sudo?
[09:55] <zao_> yes
[09:55] <tsume> microsoft and friends are outrageous
[09:56] <tobi_v> I did chroot and grub-install hd0
[09:56] <pixil9> ok mplayer works thx
[09:56] <tsume> the stupid ill-written firefox article >:(
[09:56] <tobi_v> so how do I manually reinstall grub?
[09:56] <drspin> zao_: what chipset?
[09:56] <crimsun> drspin: does that error occur with a new user?
[09:56] <Bazzi> somehow people always get facts wrong
[09:56] <ompaul> tsume - where is this?
[09:56] <markuman> crimsun, what do you mean with "masked!"
[09:56] <markuman> =
[09:56] <tsume> ompaul: /.
[09:56] <markuman> ?
[09:56] <zao_> drspin: nforce3
[09:56] <ompaul> ahh
[09:56] <kingsley> Can cups print various data formats, like magic filter and apsfilter can?
[09:56] <gunny> ok that I know djm62 I need to know how to set up the path to how it is on a fresh install
[09:56] <crimsun> markuman: they won't be displayed.
[09:56] <Bazzi> proved pretty well by this new firefox article
[09:56] <zao_> or what you mean?
[09:56] <tsume> ompaul: more bs from MS and friends
[09:56] <djm62> gunny: and for now export PATH=/sbin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/bin
[09:56] <tsume> Bazzi: its funny how foolish it makes them look
[09:57] <Bazzi> shows how many IT people actually have a clue
[09:57] <Bazzi> I'd estimate ~10%
[09:57] <tsume> Bazzi: I'm going to go around today printing professional Ubuntu Linux and Firefox billboards
[09:57] <djm62> gunny: and the default files are in /etc/skel
[09:57] <tsume> Bazzi: I'll be ordering many many cds
[09:57] <gunny> whew thanks :) trying to add /opt/java messed it all up lol
[09:57] <tsume> Bazzi: I've big plans for this area ;)
[09:57] <BedLamp> drspin: are there any settings i need to change to make ubuntu use a proxy (not dns. im using dhcp)
[09:57] <drspin> zao_: try adding idebus=66 to the "kopt=" line of /boot/grub/menu.lst then run sudo update-grub -- reboot
[09:58] <drspin> BedLamp: ?
[09:58] <djm62> gunny: you find /etc/skel/.bash* ok?
[09:58] <Bazzi> tsume ohnoes.
[09:58] <pixil9> How can I make gkrellm load into X automatically now?
[09:58] <zao_> drspin: can you give some insight in what that does?
[09:58] <BedLamp> im trying to update it and it gives error "Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed."
[09:58] <crimsun> pixil9: save session with it loaded.
[09:58] <djm62> crimsun: what's the rule of thumb for what you can save like that?
[09:58] <pixil9> ah
[09:59] <drspin> yes -- it defaults to 33 -- 66 is better :)
[09:59] <crimsun> djm62: the app needs [gnome]  session support
[09:59] <gunny> yes thanks dj
[09:59] <djm62> d'oh
[09:59] <zao_> drspin: b/c all that DMA stuff i dont really get. issuing hdparm -i /dev/hda for example show me that it is using udma5
[09:59] <BedLamp> drspin: im trying to update it and it gives error "Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed."
[09:59] <zao_> i cant get better then that, can i?
[09:59] <drspin> zao - X69 = UDMA5
[09:59] <crimsun> djm62: if gnome-session can't save state for that app, it will say so
[09:59] <drspin> zao_: X66 = UDMA2
[10:00] <djm62> and then fall back to adding it to the session manually...cool
[10:00] <zao_> drspin: ok, so for some reason my hd is already configured optimal?
[10:00] <djm62> zao_: I wouldn't bother filing it as a bug ;)
[10:01] <zao_> drspin: b/c at the same time hdparm /dev/hda (w/o -i) says: using_dma: off
[10:02] <drspin> zao_: sounds to me like the kernel isn't working with your hardware -- search google for stuff relating to using the nforce3 chipset and linux
[10:03] <crimsun> drspin: did you ever answer my question in RE: u-d?
[10:03] <zao_> drspin: just to get this straight, could you post your output of hdparm and hparm -i, so i know how it _should_ look
[10:03] <aqualuk> hi
[10:03] <zao_> also: using '-T' what through-put do you get, drspin or djm62?
[10:03] <drspin> crimsun: I'm the only one that has written anything in u-d in a while...
[10:03] <aqualuk> i have a problem with my mouse
[10:03] <pixil9> Anyone here know much about tv tuners/FM tuners? My Hauppauge card is detected but there is no /dev/radio. I tried sh MAKEDEV radio and it didn't do anything
[10:03] <crimsun> drspin: I asked in here. I'm still waiting for your response.
[10:04] <aqualuk> if i reboot the mouse don't work
[10:04] <tobi_v> does a linux partition have to be bootable if I've a bootable W98 partition?
[10:04] <drspin> zao_: can't remember and can't test right now -- ripping & encoding some cds :)
[10:04] <crimsun> drspin: the correct place to ask is in here, not in u-d.
[10:04] <drspin> crimsun: K lemme find it
[10:04] <aqualuk> the mouse just work if i put the mous in and out
[10:04] <hobocop> what is the command to show processes in the terminal? if there is one
[10:04] <aqualuk> can anybody help me with my prob
[10:04] <tbird> top
[10:05] <djm62> hobocop: ps (aux is the options I usually use) or top
[10:06] <djm62> hobocop: top shows processes by resource usage in real time
[10:06] <joshua__> sumo grappling
[10:06] <djm62> hobocop: ps shows processes by number, in a list
[10:06] <Doomhammer> after I installed Unreal Tournament 2004, I tried to start it, and it just says "Exiting due to error" ... what do I do?
[10:07] <djm62> sudo grappling!
[10:07] <nekohayo> uh... where has the wireless link applet gone? is there any?
[10:07] <joshua__> lol
[10:07] <Burgundavia_> Doomgaze`, I would try stopping esd for starters. 'killall esd'
[10:07] <pixil9> ah nice
[10:07] <pixil9> the fuckers made it radio0 in 2.6
[10:07] <mnts__> hello.  i have done something incredibly stupid and have damaged my ubuntu :S
[10:07] <spine> I'm playing streaming music with xmms and cannot make it work with alsa. It only works with the esound plugin
[10:07] <Burgundavia_> nekohayo, was removed from 2.10
[10:07] <bluefoxicy> Took 00:08:55 to encode on  AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 2800+ 1000.076 mhz
[10:07] <bluefoxicy> l33t
[10:08] <crimsun> spine: stop esd first, then
[10:08] <nekohayo> Burgundavia_, why's that?
[10:08] <aqualuk> can somebody help me with my mouse problem?
[10:08] <Burgundavia_> nekohayo, no idea, ask the gnome devs
[10:08] <nekohayo> haha
[10:08] <spine> crimsun: thanks
[10:08] <Burgundavia_> nekohayo, they are working on a new and wonderful replacement for it
[10:08] <nekohayo> I guess so
[10:08] <nekohayo> like someone is working on a better blogging applet I believe
[10:09] <drspin> crimsun - hdparm wasn't my problem... I was helping someone and being rather factual about it -- if the hdparm script was ran a bit later during init they would work with all drives not just /dev/hda
[10:09] <Pluk> so weird... installing IE6 SP1 now...
[10:09] <mnts__> i am on 4.10 and I accidently was reading the hoary thing on ubuntuguide and added those repositories to sources.list.  then i did apt-get upgrade and all my icons have disappeared
[10:09] <_brannolte> starting with acpi on, will stopp my usb/mouse after "hotplug" is finished
[10:09] <Pluk> i hate building IE compatible sites :(
[10:10] <Bazzi> Pluk haha!
[10:10] <ompaul> Pluk work to w3c standards
[10:10] <Bazzi> I have to go through the same misery all the time
[10:10] <Doomhammer> do I need fglrx for my ATI card to be able to game under linux?
[10:10] <drspin> aqualuk: if you $sudo /etc/init.d/hotplug restart
[10:10] <ompaul> if it breaks ie then you need to tell the customer that their browser has a bug :)
[10:10] <djm62> Pluk: "best viewed with a standard-compliant browser"
[10:10] <Pluk> ompaul, ever seen IE using standards? :P
[10:11] <ompaul> Pluk if people do not demand things then they do not get them
[10:11] <djm62> ach...nice to dream :-/
[10:11] <RustyShackleford> Still no luck.  I need help on getting a wireless G card in my laptop to work with ubuntu.  I don't think the card is being recognized.
[10:11] <drspin> LOL -- I have the same problem as him...
[10:11] <drspin> but another one of those issues that I just learned to live with and workaround
[10:11] <Doomhammer> do I need fglrx for my ATI card to be able to game under linux?
[10:11] <Gabriel> is the mono IDE available for x86_64 on hoary? what's the package's name?
[10:11] <IceEyz> I thougt ubuntu installed in less than 30 mins? It's been busy for over two hours now... irq 18: nobody cared errors all over... :/
[10:11] <mnts__> i get lots of error messages trying to use Synaptic too now :(
[10:12] <drspin> mnts__: what errors?
[10:12] <Burgundavia_> Doomhammer, for hardware accel you do
[10:12] <mnts__> W: Couldn't stat source package list cdrom://Ubuntu 4.10 _Warty Warthog_ - Preview i386 Binary-1 (20041020) unstable/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/Ubuntu%204.10%20%5fWarty%20Warthog%5f%20-%20Preview%20i386%20Binary-1%20(20041020)_dists_unstable_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[10:12] <[Phaedrus] > hi guys
[10:12] <Doomhammer> Burgundavia: ok, thanks
[10:12] <claint> do i need anything extra to get php to work? i am already looking through web pages, but i could use pointers if anyone got any.
[10:12] <GarySaved> Does anyone know why Evolution was removed in today's update?
[10:12] <drspin> mnts__: right -- remove the CD from sources.lst
[10:13] <djm62> GarySaved: in breezy?
[10:13] <GarySaved> djm62, Yes
[10:13] <spine> crimsun:  sorry can you tell me how to stop esd?
[10:13] <IceEyz> restarting pc while Ubuntu is installing from HD, recommended or definately not? :)
[10:14] <[Phaedrus] > have the new cds started shipping?
[10:14] <djm62> IceEyz: seriously not
[10:14] <GarySaved> djm62, I saw it in the removal list, but figured something else would be added.
[10:14] <djm62> IceEyz: unless it's completely frozen anyway
[10:14] <drspin> spine: killall esd
[10:14] <djm62> GarySaved: it will return
[10:14] <RustyShackleford> Can somebody link me to the Wireless Network Howto
[10:14] <IceEyz> no, it's way too slow, with irq-errors... LiveCD was perfect
[10:14] <mnts__> drspin - oh.. i didn't even notice that line at the top :)  any idea why all my icons have become the standard grey ones, or red crosses
[10:14] <spine> drspi: thanks
[10:15] <GarySaved> Do you know if there is a new version coming out?
[10:15] <Doomhammer> can i use these "restricted" packages ?
[10:15] <drspin> mnts__: uh??
[10:15] <Doomhammer> ok!
[10:16] <claint> nevermind my last request, looks like php works out of the box just fine.
[10:16] <Doomhammer> now when I try to start Ut2k4, it says "MissingIni" -- how do I fix that ? :P
[10:16] <mnts__> i found ont he forums a suggestion to reinstall hicolor-icons package, but I don't now how to reinstall without removing, and it wants to remove lopads of other packages if i remove that one
[10:16] <spine> drspin: thanks much better!!
[10:17] <spine> drspin: so is there anyway to disable it perm?
[10:17] <drspin> mnts__: dpkg-reconfigure packagename
[10:17] <Doomhammer> now when I try to start Ut2k4, it says "MissingIni" -- how do I fix that ? :P
[10:18] <drspin> spine: not sure
[10:18] <IceEyz> I see Gstreamer coming by now... please tell me it's somewhere near the end of installation...
[10:18] <simonp> hi. I have some problems with grub, and i found out that fdisk complains about cylinder boundaries. It says that my partitions do not end on cylinder boundary. Is it a problem with the installer?
[10:18] <simonp> i don't think i have any alternative than to repartition properly the drive...
[10:18] <IceEyz> simonp, whats the size of the partition?
[10:19] <simonp> in blocks?
[10:19] <spine> drspin: I used sysvconfig but do not see it as a daemon listed
[10:19] <IceEyz> gb?
[10:19] <simonp> 10G /, 18G /home, 10 NTFS, 1 G swap
[10:19] <IceEyz> oly crap... screen is going crazy here... arg... orange with blue letters... elp... :(
[10:19] <simonp> hda1, hda2, hda3 and hda5 respectively
[10:20] <spine> does anyone else know how to disable esd perm?
[10:20] <IceEyz> thougt i read something in partitionmagic today about max of 8GB for bootpartition
[10:20] <Doomhammer> now when I try to start Ut2k4, it says "MissingIni" -- how do I fix that ? :P
[10:20] <simonp> IceEyz: ^A ^L
[10:20] <RustyShackleford> I can't fix it because I don't have internet access.  I cant download anything.
[10:21] <simonp> IceEyz: i'm able to dual boot using dd ;)
[10:21] <mishof> ahhh building the kernel modules or w/e is taking forEVER :'(
[10:21] <oohlala> can someone help me edit grub so windows loads by defaulf instead of Ubuntu?
[10:21] <mishof> oohlala, sure
[10:21] <oohlala> please
[10:21] <oohlala> ;)
[10:22] <djm62> oohlala: sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst and change the line that says default
[10:22] <oohlala> change it to what exactly?
[10:22] <zao_> my dma problem seems to be related to order of loading of modules. where do i set that?
[10:23] <djm62> oohlala: you see the entries for different OSes? the number of the windows one, counting from 0
[10:23] <IceEyz> I just selected X resolutions... how far's that?
[10:24] <djm62> IceEyz: almost done
[10:24] <djm62> IceEyz: expert mode?
[10:24] <IceEyz> default, normal
[10:24] <djm62> ^_0
[10:25] <IceEyz> First Linux-install for me... exciting times :P
[10:25] <djm62> cool :)
[10:25] <mikeco> hm, need margaritas
[10:25] <zao_> how does intird decide on what modules to load and in what order?
[10:26] <IceEyz> oh well, i definately do :) - i'll report back when i'm having trouble with ettercap
[10:26] <mikeco> whatchu doing with ettercap
[10:26] <IceEyz> checking whats happening on the network
[10:26] <mikeco> whose
[10:26] <klaas> Good evening everyone.
[10:27] <IceEyz> dont worry, mine, only two/three pcs
[10:27] <mikeco> hello klaas
[10:27] <mikeco> i wasn't worried
[10:27] <mikeco> so you wanna h4x0r your gibson?
[10:27] <mikeco> haha
[10:27] <IceEyz> I got hooked on linux since i tried Auditor, then noticed ubuntu ranking high, tried LiveCD.. .. blabla.. exciting times
[10:27] <mikeco> cool
[10:28] <mikeco> i've just started using ubuntu, used slackware for years
[10:28] <mikeco> but i'm not agreeing with pat on many things, so i am switching to something more reliable for my needs
[10:28] <IceEyz> well, im not the casual network expert.. just a lil n00b trying linux :)
[10:28] <lenovo> hello, everyone.
[10:29] <IceEyz> *Cheer*... black screen... Gnome loading
[10:29] <IceEyz> there it is... Ahhhhh... after nearly three hours.. argh
[10:29] <SysFail> 3 hours?
[10:30] <SysFail> you compile it or something?
[10:30] <mikeco> haha
[10:30] <lenovo> klaas: I'm hua yesterday. My nickname has register by another. So I have to change my nickname.
[10:30] <mikeco> i think he had some issues
[10:30] <IceEyz> hehe, noo.. IRQ errors
[10:30] <Doomhammer> I installed fglrx, but Quake III Arena still says I'm not using hardware accelleration ... what more do I need to do?
[10:30] <mikeco> at least it wasn't irq not less or equal to
[10:30] <IceEyz> no, idd :)
[10:30] <mikeco> doohammer, do you have dri on?
[10:30] <IceEyz> cerap... 60Hz.. the pain
[10:30] <mikeco> Doomhammer that is
[10:31] <SysFail> well..doom3 time
[10:31] <SysFail> bbl
[10:31] <IceEyz> hmm.. i think its USB problem as my mouse is stuttering now.. try decoupling?
[10:32] <djm62> IceEyz: yeah
[10:32] <djm62> Doomhammer: where did you get q3a?
[10:33] <klaas> lenovo: Hi, well?
[10:33] <klaas> lenovo: Did it work out?
[10:33] <lenovo> klaas: Have you see the messege I wrote last time yesterday?
[10:33] <mHKm> http://www.novell.com/products/linuxprofessional/index.html
[10:34] <lenovo> klaas: The partition table is in the mbr, so I want to resize the partition, it must change the mbr.
[10:34] <IceEyz> ow, I also read that using S-ATA with P-ATA keep enabled should be the other way around... i'll try that first, back of pc is one meter further away... /lazy
[10:36] <IceEyz> hmwz, that idd did the trick
[10:36] <djm62> IceEyz: that could have saved you serious install time ;)
[10:36] <IceEyz> yea.. i know..
[10:36] <IceEyz> gnome is loaded now already
[10:36] <klaas> lenovo: Too bad.. right?
[10:37] <IceEyz> crap, thats fast
[10:37] <mHKm> does ubuntu support mono-project??
[10:37] <grumpysmurf> there's a document about how to set up mono on ubuntu in the wiki faq
[10:38] <djm62> mHKm: yes...and nice it is too
[10:38] <LinuxJones> mHKm, it's available for download
[10:38] <mHKm> does it fully support vb.net
[10:38] <lenovo> klaas: But I found the new useage of the boot floppy. It's very useful, beacause my win98 die often, I have reinstall it many times.
[10:40] <djm62> :)
[10:40] <resiak> mHKm: Why not look at the mono site?
[10:41] <LinuxJones> mHKm, >> http://www.go-mono.com/mbas.html
[10:41] <mHKm> i need some one who tested it
[10:41] <mHKm> maybe they dont write real features
[10:41] <LinuxJones> mHKm, install it and check it out for yourself :)
[10:42] <mHKm> LinuxJones :
[10:42] <mHKm> ok
[10:42] <djm62> yeah...if you don't trust them, no reason to trust us
[10:42] <klaas> lenovo: Yes, it's an easy tool to reinstall the mbr as well.
[10:43] <davidj> Anyone noticed that the capslock doesn't affect "e" or "c"?
[10:43] <klaas> lenovo or boot with a winows mbr installed.
[10:43] <Herbiestone> Can anyone help me get my ATI 9600 to work under Hoary. I can't get 3D Acceleratiopn to work :/
[10:44] <LinuxJones> Herbiestone, you followed the instruction on the wiki ?
[10:44] <Herbiestone> yes i did
[10:44] <mHKm> i cant install my creative modem blaster!! any help please
[10:44] <kippi> is ubuntu better for desktop use or server?
[10:44] <djm62> davidj: I'm 99% sure that quality control would have picked that up if it was typical
[10:44] <LinuxJones> Herbiestone, I have an nvidia card so I can't really help you with ATI :(
[10:44] <djm62> after all, "we are uality"
[10:44] <grumpysmurf> it has been said that ubuntu is equally suited for both server or desktop use, though I prefer SuSe professional/enterprise for servers.
[10:45] <davidj> djm62, With capslock I get ABCDEFG in X, but at the console I get ABcDeFGH
[10:45] <Herbiestone> I followed http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto to the letter
[10:45] <mHKm> i cant install my creative modem blaster!! any help please
[10:45] <LinuxJones> kippi, it's a desktop based distro but more advanced server stuff is being planned
[10:45] <dripchip> hi, someone here with experience in wifi setup in hoary ?
[10:45] <kippi> dripchip, any idea on a time scale?
[10:45] <klaas> kippi: I prefer using Debian for servers.
[10:46] <klaas> ps. Ubuntu is a great desktop system though.
[10:46] <simonp> kippi: i love debian stable for servers. www.backports.org helps too
[10:46] <klaas> Nie artwork.
[10:46] <mHKm> kippi use suse for servers
[10:46] <djm62> davidj: I'm stunned
[10:46] <dripchip> kippi: what do you mean ?
[10:46] <djm62> davidj: you're right, and that's INSANE
[10:46] <kippi> so you would say use debian for runing a server?
[10:46] <grumpysmurf> dripchip http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WiFiHowto
[10:47] <klaas> kippi: Definitely.
[10:47] <klaas> ps 100% pure enthousiasm, no offence to others.
[10:47] <ovihc> i have a question regarding my digital camera and HAL: how can i tell gnome to do a delay before opening gthumb to import the photos. because when i plug in the camera, it takes around 3 seconds for the system to load the driver and everything. but by that time, HAL failed to open gthumb because it couldn't wait for the driver to load. how can i tell gnome to do a delay before opening gthumb?
[10:48] <ovihc> so nothing opens.
[10:48] <dripchip> ooppss thx for the link, let me take a stab at that ;-)
[10:48] <hobocop> ok another quickie, I am sharing folders on my network, both comps are running ubuntu, and for some reason (when running a samba server) even if I dont check read only, I just get errors when trying to move the files between computers
[10:49] <klaas> hobocop: What kind of errors?
[10:49] <djm62> davidj: I'm not even sure how to google for it
[10:50] <hobocop> first it tells me that the file already exists
[10:50] <hobocop> which is doesnt
[10:50] <Herbiestone> Anyone got experince with ati 9600 3d accel on haory?
[10:50] <hobocop> The folder "smb://laposin/...t%20(copy).iso" already exists.  Would you like to replace it?
[10:50] <hobocop> then I say yes
[10:50] <hobocop> then it says Error "File not found" while copying "smb://laposin/...t%20(copy).iso".
[10:50] <Mitario> hmm, i'm having some troubles running mono
[10:51] <Mitario> i get mono-beagled: relocation error: mono-beagled: symbol __libc_stack_end, version GLIBC_PRIVATE not defined in file ld-linux.so.2 with link time reference when starting a mono app
[10:51] <hobocop> also one of my computers doesnt even show the folders inside the shared folder
[10:51] <hobocop> even though I checked, browsable
[10:51] <mcphail> Herbiestone: 3d accel fine on my laptop (radeon m9 9000) after following the wiki. What probs areyou having?
[10:52] <klaas> hobocop: I'm sorry, won't know, I never use nautilus for smb connections.
[10:52] <thedudeabides> I need help setting up wireless on Ubuntu.
[10:52] <Crad|w> Hello, any idea how to make ssh (client) quiet by default?  When I ssh somewhere it displays my key as part of the output prior to the login.
[10:52] <hobocop> ah
[10:52] <djm62> thedudeabides: you're out of your element ;)
[10:52] <hobocop> what would you use?
[10:52] <LinuxJones> thedudeabides, >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WiFiHowto
[10:52] <thedudeabides> Shut the **** up Donnie
[10:52] <djm62> :-D
[10:53] <hobocop> klaas: I have eight minutes lmao, what would you use?
[10:53] <Crad|w> I've not seen anything in /etc/ssh_config or anywhere else for that matter that talks about having that behavior turned on (or off)
[10:53] <thedudeabides> My wireless card isn't detected though.
[10:53] <IceEyz> Why's linux btw capable of pushing exactly 10kB/sec more than Windows? That's 50% less overhead... :D
[10:53] <klaas> hobocop: Mount
[10:54] <LinuxJones> thedudeabides, >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SetupNdiswrapperHowto
[10:54] <djm62> IceEyz: to/from disk? some filesystems are even better
[10:54] <klaas> mount -t smbfs //yourbox/share /mnt/mountpoint -o "username=user,password=pwd,workgroup=group,ip=ipadress"
[10:54] <IceEyz> internet :)
[10:54] <hobocop> can I mount a hard drive from another computer?
[10:54] <klaas> as root, and make sure you have smbfs installed: apt-get install smbfs
[10:55] <Bazzi> IceEyz windows reserves some bandwidth for some crap
[10:55] <djm62> hobocop: there are many remote file systems...I don't know which is best
[10:55] <thedudeabides> Its a wireless g PCMCIA card by the way.
[10:55] <klaas> hobocop check out NFS
[10:55] <IceEyz> windows gives me exactly 515kB/sec with 535 reported in for example samurize, linux makes that 525 _O_
[10:55] <hobocop> I am not asking for the best
[10:55] <hobocop> just one I can get working
[10:55] <hobocop> fast
[10:55] <mcphail> thedudeabides: which model / chipset? You'll probably need ndiswrapper as mentioned above
[10:56] <Doomhammer> how do I get Cedega (WineX) for Ubuntu? it's not in APT's package trees :(
[10:56] <hobocop> ok how do i mount another computers hard drive lmao
[10:56] <Herbiestone> Anyone got experience with ati 9600 3d accel on hoary?
[10:56] <thedudeabides> Linksys
[10:56] <Crad|w> Doomhammer: I downloaded point2play's tar.gz and installed it
[10:56] <Crad|w> was pretty easy
[10:57] <Doomhammer> do you have a link handy?
[10:57] <Arcane> 'ey, anyone using a Westell Wirespeed wanna do me a unbelievably good favor and make the eciadsl .log thingy with it?
[10:57] <Herbiestone> hobobp: connect it to your computer then mount it? ;)
[10:57] <calavera> hmm. i'm trying to build a kernepackage as per http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KernelBuildpackageHowto but I don't end up with a packagefile. though it doesn't really give me an error as such either.
[10:57] <hobocop> no he is saying doing it through a network
[10:57] <hobocop> I would but I have a desktop and a laptop
[10:57] <hobocop> and no ide connecter outside of the lappy
[10:58] <Crad|w> Doomhammer: the main transgaming site?
[10:58] <Sianis> hi all
[10:58] <Sianis> can some1 help me in sound config?
[10:58] <Sianis> the ubuntu can play sounds
[10:59] <Herbiestone> hobobcop: Well, there are hardrive-caese with usb/firewire connectors... buzt I guess thats not waht you are looking for. need to wrap my head around smb/nfs myself in the future
[10:59] <Sianis> it can play ubuntu sounds, play audio cd-s
[10:59] <djm62> hobocop: you need to install either samba or NFS, then right-click on a folder in nautilus
[10:59] <calavera> and why is dpkg-builpackage applying and reverting patches all the time?
[10:59] <hobocop> ok
[10:59] <Sianis> but it cannot play mp3-s and net radios with xmms
[10:59] <Sianis> and firefox too
[10:59] <Herbiestone> djm62: I tried this with NFS once.. installing isn't enough. You need to configure right FIRST.
[11:00] <Herbiestone> Sianis: which one doesn't work?
[11:00] <djm62> Herbiestone: damn...probably SMB is simpler: I was trusting gnome to be automagic as usual
[11:00] <Herbiestone> djm: I thought so first too
[11:00] <grafand> hallo zusammen
[11:00] <hobocop> I have samaba
[11:01] <Doomhammer> can I get Point2Play for free? it would appear that it costs money... :(
[11:01] <hobocop> lmao herbie
[11:01] <Sianis> Herbiestone just xmms and firefox
[11:01] <Sianis> but i try just these
[11:01] <tbird> Doomhammer, you can get cedega via CVS
[11:01] <djm62> hobocop: samba server as well as client
[11:01] <Herbiestone> hobocop. Wanted to share some config files with my gf's computer.. turned out that using my USB-Stick was the faster alternative...
[11:01] <Doomhammer> tbird: how would I go about doing that?
[11:02] <djm62> never underestimate the bandwidth of a van full of DVDs
[11:02] <tbird> Doomhammer, http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/wfsection/article.php?articleid=45
[11:02] <Doomhammer> thank you, tbird :)
[11:02] <tomcat> Hey all, I've got a quick question about RAM and TESTMEM86... I have a box that winxp was spontainiously rebooting on, and I was going to blow out winxp and put ubuntu on it.. I am running testmem86 on it, and I'm getting errors. There's 2 ram chips in there, so at least one is bad... anyone know how in testmem86 to tell which chip it is... lower address would mean chip in 1st slot?
[11:03] <tomcat> Any advice would be helpfull
[11:03] <flodine> anyone get engage installed
[11:03] <tbird> Doomhammer, np
[11:03] <djst> what do i need to update in order to stay up to date with updates of hoary, now that the final release is out?
[11:03] <djm62> I hate it when people go to reboot and never come back...
[11:03] <calavera> tomcat: that really very much depends on your hardware. i am afraid you will have to try
[11:04] <dizzy> tomcat: try removing one or the other
[11:04] <Sianis> Herbiestone and the gaim too has sound
[11:04] <djm62> djst: I think you already have it...hoary security
[11:04] <Sianis> but the xmms has not :(
[11:04] <Sianis> why?
[11:05] <tomcat> Ok, thx guys. I was worried that'd be the case... impatient here.
[11:05] <hobocop> whats the command for the samba client lol
[11:05] <Herbiestone> Sianis: try to open a terminal and type: killalll esd
[11:05] <djst> djm62: i haven't received one single update since the release.. is that normal?
[11:05] <Herbiestone> I meant: killall esd
[11:05] <djm62> djst: hoary is stable...that's fine
[11:05] <djst> djm62: if so, how can i move on to the next unstable release to keep getting updates?
[11:05] <djm62> djst: breezy is pretty funky at the moment, but I think there's something on the wiki
[11:05] <hobocop> oh man hilarious
[11:06] <hobocop> I was writing a starcraft cd when I realized I didnt have the original install disc
[11:06] <djst> djm62: so breezy is the upcoming release then?
[11:06] <hejin> Can anyone help with a locale problem?
[11:07] <djm62> djst: upcoming in a few months, yeah
[11:07] <djst> djm62: thanks, i'll do a search for it then and see if i can get my release update to it
[11:07] <pune> hey does anyone know how to get multisync to sync from evolution to my pocket pc?
[11:08] <Herbiestone> I sure hope they get to update firefox to 1.0.3 on hoary soon...
[11:08] <djm62> hobocop: I installed package: samba, and now right-clicking in nautilus allows me to set a share for a folder
[11:08] <Sianis> Herbiestone okey it's the probleme
[11:08] <Sianis> i kill esd and xmms play sound
[11:08] <Bazzi> Herbiestone why?
[11:08] <Herbiestone> Sianis: U mean it works now?
[11:08] <Herbiestone> Bazzi: FireFox 1.0.2 has some security issue
[11:09] <Bazzi> well every version has :)
[11:09] <Sianis> Herbiestone i think yes
[11:09] <Koba> hello...anyone care to give a newcomer some advice?
[11:09] <Koba> please?
[11:09] <Herbiestone> Bazzi: not too bad on linux but still...
[11:09] <Sianis> but now the gaim hasn't sound
[11:09] <Bazzi> Herbiestone dont panic too much :)
[11:09] <pune> Koba, what's wrong?
[11:09] <Bazzi> 1.0.3 also has about 10 security issues right now
[11:10] <Koba> I have tried the ubuntu Live CD and found it quite appealing...
[11:10] <Koba> but I would like to know about the full installation...
[11:10] <Koba> the Live CD lacks a lot of stuff
[11:10] <Arcane> Including PPPoE.
[11:11] <Herbiestone> Sianis, try: sudo apt-get install libsdl1.2debian-alsa
[11:11] <pune> hey does anyone know how to get multisync to sync from evolution to my pocket pc?
[11:11] <Koba> what do I get on the full install?
[11:11] <Herbiestone> Bazzi: I didn't know that
[11:11] <djm62> Sianis: http://ubuntuforums.org/printthread.php?t=8882
[11:11] <djm62> Sianis: ugly
[11:12] <elektrolyytti> after doing rm * on a folder is there any way to get the files back?
[11:12] <NB> NB
[11:12] <djm62> elektrolyytti: nope!
[11:12] <NB> NB1
[11:12] <djm62> elektrolyytti: unless you get into forensic stuff
[11:13] <Herbiestone> elektrolyytti: by default, no
[11:13] <Koba> oh nevermind...
[11:13] <Herbiestone> elektrolyytti: I once read an article about which replaces rm, with a script that would move the files into the trash instead...
[11:13] <Koba> I do trust the install CD has a lot more than the LiveCD
[11:14] <Arcane> How can I find VID/PIDs of my modem?
[11:14] <Herbiestone> Anyone got experience with ati 9600 3d accel on hoary?
[11:14] <MaxeyPad> I'm trying to install debian onto a system in a software raid volume raid 1 (2 x 250GB ATA drives).  I create the logical raid device, then create the partitions inside the logical raid device, but the partition creation fails.  any ideas?
[11:14] <djm62> elektrolyytti: if it's any compensation...you won't do it again soon
[11:16] <Sianis> Herbiestone i install it
[11:16] <NB> How can I fix the "Lock Screen" function?
[11:17] <Sianis> Herbiestone what is the next step?
[11:17] <Sianis> nedd setup something other?
[11:17] <Herbiestone> Sianis, nothing but restart Gaim and try to listen if there is sound
[11:18] <Sianis> Herbiestone it's doesn't work now
[11:18] <Sianis> but xmms work
[11:18] <brannolte> hi back again - (probs with usb and ACPI) I tried to restart my hotplug system an got the messages "ohci_hcd: probe of 0000:00:02.0 failed with error -16" and "ohci_hcd: probe of 0000:00:02.1 failed with error -16"
[11:19] <elpPPp> hey yo... i have a problem... all mp3 programms requests an mp3 library... but i don't know which one is needed.. any idea??
[11:19] <Herbiestone> Sianis: did you reboot the computer? If you did, you need to killall esd again
[11:19] <Sianis> moment
[11:20] <Burgundavia_> elpPPp, gstreamer-mad
[11:20] <Burgundavia_> elpPPp, see www.ubuntu.com/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[11:20] <pune> hey does anyone know anything about multisync in here?
[11:20] <Herbiestone> elpPPp: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-09-16.3469703387/talkback/1104544141
[11:21] <brannolte> @pune witch devs
[11:21] <Herbiestone> pune, well what do you need to know about multisync?
[11:21] <InitMass> http://www.wgilk.com/linux/screenshots/nine_041705.png
[11:21] <nydust> do webmin depends on apache?
[11:22] <jhaig> I have set up automount on my floppy drive and cd drive, and I have removed the corresponding lines from /etc/fstab.  Is it possible to have mount points appear when I go to Places->Computer, like they do when not using automount?
[11:22] <Albacker> InitMass, is that pekwm ?
[11:22] <Arcane> Again, does anybody use a Westell Wirespeed b90-220030-04 here?
[11:22] <Arcane> I need somebody to get the firmware for eciadsl.
[11:23] <Herbiestone> Anyone got experience with ati 9600 3d accel on hoary?
[11:23] <Sianis> re
[11:23] <Burgundavia_> Herbiestone, yep
[11:23] <jhaig> Anyone else using automount?
[11:23] <Sianis> Herbiestone i restart the ubuntu
[11:23] <Burgundavia_> Herbiestone, www.ubuntu.com/wiki/BinaryDriverHowTo
[11:23] <Sianis> but i nedded to kill esb
[11:23] <Sianis> esd
[11:23] <Albacker> killall esd
[11:23] <Burgundavia_> Herbiestone, if you have a nforce2 board, like i have, see the info below
[11:23] <Herbiestone> Burgundavia: I folloed the wiki allready, but to no avail :/
[11:23] <Sianis> and gaim don't play sound
[11:24] <Herbiestone> i do have a nforce2
[11:24] <Sianis> but xmms yes
[11:24] <Herbiestone> Sianis: Strange... mine does :/
[11:24] <Burgundavia_> Herbiestone, did you follow the section about adding this: Option "UseInternalAGPGART" "no"
[11:24] <Burgundavia_> Herbiestone, if you don't do that, it won't work
[11:24] <Sianis> don't need setup ubuntu?
[11:25] <brannolte> can no one help me with my usb / acpi problem? ;-)
[11:25] <Herbiestone> Burgundavia: I did.. .i'll just check if i get a warining or something about that...
[11:25] <Burgundavia_> Herbiestone, what does fglrxinfo give you?
[11:26] <Herbiestone> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
[11:26] <InitMass> Albacker, no its openbox
[11:27] <Burgundavia_> Herbiestone, restart X again, if you haven't already
[11:27] <elektrolyytti> oh damn.. i really hate rm.. well i dont hate rm but my friend who removed all my 500 mp3's... :/
[11:27] <Albacker> InitMass,  ;) ok.
[11:27] <Herbiestone> i did /etc/init.d/gdm end, and then the same with start
[11:27] <Albacker> InitMass, nice ;)
[11:27] <Burgundavia_> Herbiestone, ctrl-alt-bksp will restart your X server
[11:28] <Burgundavia_> Herbiestone, try that and see what you get
[11:28] <InitMass> Albacker, you can take a look at my screens at borgvall.com/dump too
[11:28] <Herbiestone> Burgundavia: ok
[11:28] <Herbiestone> cu
[11:28] <Sianis> Herbiestone can i setup the ubuntu use alsa not esd?
[11:28] <mcphail> Herbiestone: have you rebooted the system since installing fglrx? Is it listed by lsmod?
[11:28] <InitMass> Albacker, screens from gnome, openbox and fluxbox
[11:28] <Albacker> InitMass, yeah sure
[11:28] <Herbiestone> Sianis: I don't know, sorry :/
[11:28] <Sianis> okey
[11:29] <Herbiestone> myphail: Yes I did
[11:29] <Albacker> InitMass, fluxbox, used to be my favourite :D. atm using gnome.
[11:29] <Herbiestone> lsmod | grep fglrx finds it
[11:29] <elektrolyytti> is there any plugin to firefox to get 3 button like its on windows? the move button
[11:29] <pune> Herbiestone, hey, sorry, um, well I can get multisync to sync from my pocket pc to my computer, but not the other way around
[11:30] <djm62> elektrolyytti: firefox preferences
[11:30] <oohlala> just can't seem to make mp3's play
[11:30] <Herbiestone> pune: sorry, I got a palm
[11:30] <oohlala> damnit
[11:30] <pune> Herbiestone, oh ok
[11:30] <djm62> oohlala: did the grub thing work?
[11:30] <Herbiestone> pune: can't say about poket pc
[11:31] <elektrolyytti> djm62: where?
[11:31] <oohlala> grub worked just fine
[11:31] <pune> Herbiestone, do you know anyone or anywhere I might be able to get some help?
[11:31] <oohlala> thank you again djm62
[11:31] <djm62> oohlala: I was worried when you didn't return...no warranty means it /can/ legally kill you ;)
[11:31] <InitMass> Albacker, atm i'm using fluxbox
[11:32] <oohlala> :)
[11:32] <Sianis> where can i read the ubuntu sondds setups
[11:32] <oohlala> nope...worked like a charm
[11:32] <SiRrUs> hello
[11:32] <oohlala> btw...can you play mp3's in ubuntu ?
[11:32] <djm62> oohlala: mp3 plugins have possible legal issues due to patents....
[11:33] <oohlala> I tried installing extra packages...but that did not work
[11:33] <Albacker> InitMass, grat. that only thing i dont like in fb, is that I couldn install idesk :(
[11:33] <Herbiestone> pune: I'm trying to find something on it on google
[11:33] <djm62> oohlala: of course, you can still use them, but you have to get them from a different source
[11:33] <InitMass> Albacker, there's no need for idesk
[11:33] <oohlala> what do I need to install exactly for it to work
[11:33] <Albacker> InitMass, icons, on desktop !
[11:34] <hades> Anyone know howto change the default time that a dns server will query a tinydns server?  I need to set how long all my domains ttl are on other dns servers.
[11:34] <djm62> oohlala: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[11:34] <djm62> oohlala: that page is a step-by-step guide
[11:34] <oohlala> : )))
[11:34] <oohlala> ty again...and again
[11:34] <Herbiestone> pune: there seems to be a porject named pocketwokstation which is packaged for debian... maybe it will also work on ubuntu?
[11:35] <djm62> oohlala: the government doesn't have bugzilla set up, but if it did, that legal situation would be in there ;)
[11:35] <InitMass> Albacker, yes i know but i don't see any need for just that
[11:36] <Herbiestone> going to reboot. Just to see if this doens't change anything, cu guys
[11:36] <pune> you found that on google?
[11:36] <Albacker> InitMass, :S
[11:36] <pune> Herbiestone, thanks
[11:36] <Albacker> InitMass, ok, than. I'm going cya !
[11:37] <Sianis> some1 can add me a link
[11:37] <Sianis> how can i setup the ubuntu sound out
[11:37] <tbird> Sianis, use alsa
[11:37] <Sianis> where can i setup this?
[11:38] <tbird> Sianis, you may have to install it you can tyr alsamixer in terminal
[11:38] <Sianis> i try it
[11:38] <yahalom> anyone here use adsl? what is the best way to setup adsl for someone?
[11:38] <Sianis> xmms, firefox have sound, ubuntu, gaim have not sound
[11:39] <HerbieStone> re
[11:39] <Arcane> yahalom - If it's on ethernet, you're in luck.
[11:39] <Arcane> If it's in USB, people here will attempt to stone you/set you on fire for using the blasphemic connection, or at least from my experience.
[11:40] <HerbieStone> oh, "OpenGL renderer string: RADEON 9600 Generic" :)))
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[11:40] <mcphail> HerbieStone: well done
[11:40] <HerbieStone> seems my ati has 3D-Acceleration now :)
[11:40] <toresbe> Arcane: ever been in #debian? ;)
[11:40] <djm62> Arcane: people in #ubuntu shouldn't be into the tarring and feathering
[11:40] <Arcane> ... No, I haven't, and I don't plan to.
[11:41] <djm62> otoh, dodgy hardware is very frustrating
[11:41] <HerbieStone> I didn't reboot after Option  "UseInternalAGPGART" "no"... man... i'm so stupid
[11:41] <mini> what do i do to get some sound on this system_
[11:41] <Arcane> Does the LiveCD come with GCC/make?
[11:41] <HerbieStone> Was to impatient and changed it back before rebooting
[11:42] <MidnightDevil> hi
[11:42] <HerbieStone> WineX, here i come
[11:42] <Raven_> I am using kunbuntu
[11:42] <mini> help please..
[11:42] <Raven_> kde is putting a message at the top left. It says things every time I activate a window. I want to get rid of it. Maybe a debugging tool I turned on by mistake.
[11:42] <MidnightDevil> is it possible to leave some processes running like Software Update and switch X ?
[11:42] <Raven_> "The KDE Windows Manager moveend", in one example
[11:42] <djm62> mini: what system?
[11:42] <MidnightDevil> i mean, logout from kde and login to gnome?
[11:43] <HerbieStone> mini: state the nature of the emergency... ;)
[11:43] <mini> djs62: ubuntu
[11:43] <djm62> MidnightDevil: not really...you can login as a different user
[11:43] <mini> djm62..
[11:43] <MidnightDevil> like switch user?
[11:44] <djm62> MidnightDevil: yeah
[11:44] <djm62> mini: from the channel, I guessed ubuntu...what sort of computer?
[11:44] <MidnightDevil> and allow login to another enviroment ?
[11:44] <HerbieStone> MidnightDevil: I you open a virtual Console with "CTRL-ALT-F1" you can run programms while restarting X
[11:44] <djm62> MidnightDevil: should do: it will HURT memory below 256M
[11:45] <djst> djm62: i found out how to upgrade.. just replace any instances of "hoary" with "breezy" in /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:45] <mini> djm62: so im going to list all the parts?
[11:45] <sionide> how do you set progs to be the default prog for a particular extension?
[11:45] <djm62> mini: the sound card would be most relevant...
[11:45] <mini> djm62> well i can tell you that i have a sound adigy lz 2 sound card..
[11:45] <djm62> mini: and perhaps the general brand
[11:46] <MidnightDevil> djm62, ouch
[11:46] <mini> i build my own computer so that can be hard..
[11:46] <mini> :P
[11:46] <MidnightDevil> i might need to let the software update to finish then
[11:46] <MidnightDevil> lol
[11:46] <djm62> mini: and have you heard any noises at all from the computer?
[11:46] <Jeeves_> zoppy: Here you are !
[11:46] <mini> nope
[11:46] <zoppy> yep
[11:47] <zoppy> Hi
[11:47] <zoppy> is it possible to disable DMA
[11:47] <djm62> mini: if you run alsamixer, is anything muted that shouldn't be?
[11:47] <mini> ive tried to play off some music ... but no..
[11:47] <zoppy> because I haven't configure anything in hdparm.conf
[11:47] <zoppy> all is commented in hdparm.conf
[11:47] <HerbieStone> Sometimes, I loose key-repeat. Anyone know how to resolve that?
[11:47] <Jeeves_> zoppy: I think your disk is broken then.
[11:47] <mini> alsamixer?
[11:47] <zoppy> when Starting Ubuntu ... in boot sequence I have to wait 2 minutes before the boot begins
[11:47] <mdke> any ops around?
[11:48] <zoppy> Jeeves_ :  Win works fine
[11:48] <djm62> mini: are you familiar with linux at all?
[11:48] <mini> not much... :P
[11:48] <mdke> bob2, here?
[11:48] <Jeeves_> zoppy: Have you tried 'man hdparm' ? :)
[11:48] <zoppy> yep
[11:48] <djm62> mini: try menu: Applications->Sound and Video->Volume Control
[11:48] <Jeeves_> You've searched for dma?
[11:49] <Broncho> I ahve a gyration mouse/keybaord and I cant get it to work, anyone know how to fix this?
[11:49] <mini> yes.. ive checked there..
[11:49] <zoppy> all is commented in hdparm.conf
[11:49] <mini> the driver for my card is installed.. the speakers are on..
[11:49] <zoppy> DMA error is running when Starting Ubuntu ... is writing
[11:49] <Jeeves_> zoppy: And you've found this part
[11:49] <Jeeves_> " -d     Disable/enable the "using_dma" flag for this drive."
[11:50] <djm62> mini: can you type (in a terminal (right-click on desktop background)) "ps aux | grep esd"?
[11:50] <zoppy> hdparm -d 0 didn't work :)
[11:51] <Jeeves_> zoppy: You have some weird hardware than :)
[11:51] <zoppy> nope
[11:51] <zoppy> hdparm -d0 display the help :)
[11:51] <zoppy> I think I have to combine option
[11:51] <Jeeves_> I think you need to enter the device that hdparm should alter
[11:51] <Jeeves_> hdparm -d0 /dev/hdx
[11:51] <tbird> zoppy, http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-16360.html
[11:52] <GhostNr1> Any one know a repository that have the SDL stuff?
[11:52] <djm62> zoppy: if you know the brand of drive...google that and linux
[11:52] <mdke> does anyone use "STREAMTUNER": a friend of mine reports that it segmentation faults when opening a particular type of folder: anyone else had this problem?
[11:52] <simonp> hi. in a multi-boot setup with grub, is it a problem if my partitions does not end on cylinder boundaries?
[11:52] <zoppy> thanks I have to install lynx :)
[11:52] <zoppy> running on 750 Mhz 64Mo Ram
[11:53] <djm62> woh, disproportionate...although I have run firefox on 64M
[11:53] <simonp> zoppy: try links2
[11:53] <djm62> still running it, in fact
[11:53] <djm62> still loading
[11:53] <zoppy> simonp : thanks
[11:54] <mini> djm62: didn't work.. (the command)
[11:54] <djm62> mini: you mean, it gave no output?
[11:54] <mini> command not found
[11:54] <Klebel> what is the name of the script i need to create, to autoload apps on login?
[11:55] <mini> maybee i have to do it in the root terminal?
[11:55] <djm62> mini, no not that
[11:55] <djm62> mini: do you know how to cut and paste?
[11:55] <mdke> does anyone use "STREAMTUNER": a friend of mine reports that it segmentation faults when opening a particular type of folder: anyone else had this problem?
[11:55] <mini> ctrl+c ctrl+ v?
[11:55] <gnome> do sombody know how to install the Flash player plugin?? I have install them and I have thake the ln -s to mozilla but its do not work anybody a sollution???
[11:56] <sobersabre> I have my local time 1 hour back... how can I fix it ?
[11:56] <djm62> mini: cut and paste my next line into terminal
[11:56] <mini> okay
[11:56] <djm62> ps aux | grep esd
[11:56] <sobersabre> gnome, have u used apt-get ?
[11:56] <zoppy> gnome : try to install plugins to /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins
[11:56] <sobersabre> guys.. timezone help needed.
[11:56] <gnome> nope i have it download
[11:56] <djm62> I can't imagine your system wouldn't have those installed
[11:56] <zoppy> gnome : try to install plugins to /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins
[11:56] <sobersabre> gnome, use apt-get then
[11:56] <gnome> zoppy don that
[11:57] <mini> djm62: ok did it
[11:57] <djm62> how many lines?
[11:57] <zoppy> gnome : and about:plugins show nothing ?
[11:57] <gnome> soberdabre yes dit that to, but from the apt-get works also not:s
[11:57] <sobersabre> gnome. there are several possible folders in which the ls -s needs to be done. best use apt-get
[11:57] <mini> 4?
[11:57] <sobersabre> not:s ? what does this mean ?
[11:58] <gnome> zoppy not if i do about:plugins the ore not dear:s
[11:58] <sobersabre> guys.. why would my timeservers bring me bad time ?
[11:58] <gnome> do you have a good sourslist voor the flash apt-get?
[11:59] <reagleBRKLN> as a user, how can i run ubdatedb?
[11:59] <Olsen> can i get the latest postgresql, php, apache, mono from the universe repository?
[11:59] <bwlang> i want to create an animation of an anitbody-antigen interaction... i can't find any software to help me... any suggestions?
[11:59] <mini> djm62: 4...
[11:59] <sobersabre> i am synchronizing time with ISP.
[11:59] <zoppy> tbird : can u repaste the link please