[12:02] <kkathman> _michel: yes...right click the desktop, choose "Configure Desktop" and then choose the screen resolution
[12:02] <kkathman> _michel: its under "display" on the left panel
[12:03] <_michel> yes i know that but it dosnt show more than 1024x800 an my screan is 19" it can more
[12:03] <kkathman> _michel: well, during the install, there was a screen that you are allowed to check those resolutions you want, do you remember that screen?
[12:03] <_michel> i wonder i had to compile my kernel maybe
[12:03] <kkathman> no has nothing to do with the kernel
[12:04] <_michel> no i don't, maybe i 'll do it again i did it fast as i tries kubuntu
[12:05] <kkathman> _michel: yes its toward the end of the install...long list of resolutions you can choose from
[12:05] <_michel> i think it works nice enaough so i will do the install again and will be more carefull!
[12:05] <_michel> thanks
[12:05] <kkathman> _michel: good luck
[12:05] <_michel> thanks
[12:05] <_michel> do u use it for a long time?
[12:06] <kkathman> _michel: not that long...about a month or so
[12:06] <kkathman> _michel: but I've done about 5 installs
[12:06] <_michel> what do u think about it are u pleased with it?
[12:06] <kkathman> _michel: very pleased...very easy to use and very stable
[12:07] <_michel> yes i think too, i installed it yesterday, i had mandrake before
[12:08] <kkathman> _michel: if you know anything about the xorg files...you can change your xorg.conf file to support the  resolutions without reinstalling, but Im not 100% sure how
[12:08] <kkathman> you could ask someone in #ubuntu probably
[12:08] <_michel> yes i think i will have a look before doing an install!
[12:09] <_michel> yes that too!
[12:09] <yahalom> anyone here use the fglrx drivers?
[12:09] <_michel> do u have kscd working ? mine is quiet, no sound!
[12:09] <_ReDRuM_> i use fglx drivers
[12:09] <yahalom> my fps is really low in kde
[12:10] <kkathman> yahalom: I found a reference for you for configuring your ADSL
[12:10] <kkathman> if you still needs it
[12:10] <yahalom> kkathman, thanx man. sorry i had to run, no offense meant.
[12:10] <yahalom> kkathman, yeah would be great
[12:10] <kkathman> _michel: yes mine works
[12:10] <_ReDRuM_> yahalom: you using konversation?
[12:10] <kkathman> yahalom: is your connection PPPoE?
[12:11] <yahalom> i'm getting a very low frame rate in kde
[12:11] <_michel> ok, maybe i will do a second install thought
[12:11] <_ReDRuM_> yahalom: if you are type /exec cmd fglrxinfo and if your not type fglrxinfo into a console and paste it to me
[12:11] <yahalom> kkathman, no i have cable i just need to know how to do it
[12:11] <yahalom> _ReDRuM_, how do i know if i am or not?
[12:11] <kkathman> yahalom: oh ok...
[12:12] <_ReDRuM_> yahalom: it's an IRC client that comes with KDE
[12:12] <kkathman> yahalom: this may help I dont know:  http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#rp-pppoe
[12:12] <_ReDRuM_> yahalom: konversation is the only IRC client that comes with KDE - if your using it type /exec cmd fglrxinfo
[12:12] <yahalom> kkathman, thanx man
[12:12] <_ReDRuM_> just type it in your irc client if you dont know
[12:12] <_ReDRuM_> if it doesnt do anything open up a console and type fglrxinfo in there
[12:12] <yahalom> _ReDRuM_, i'm using xchat
[12:13] <_ReDRuM_> ok then open up a console and type: fglrxinfo
[12:13] <kkathman> _ReDRuM_: actually KDE also puts X-Chat on the menu too, but its primarily a Gnome app
[12:13] <yahalom> OpenGL vendor string: ATI Technologies Inc.
[12:13] <yahalom> OpenGL renderer string: RADEON 9200SE DDR Generic
[12:13] <yahalom> OpenGL version string: 1.3.4893 (X4.3.0-8.10.19)
[12:13] <yahalom> that is fine
[12:13] <yahalom> thats what i dont get :(
[12:13] <_ReDRuM_> your fps probably sucks because the ATI linux drivers suck.
[12:14] <kkathman> whiskers: Are you ok??? still around??
[12:14] <yahalom> _ReDRuM_, yeah should have gotten an nvidia card, but i play half life in gnome and xfce and its great, in kde i cant even play BZFlag or tuxracer
[12:14] <_ReDRuM_> the 9200SE kind of sucks too
[12:14] <_ReDRuM_> maybe KDE is hogging all your ram?
[12:14] <_ReDRuM_> maybe it's opened a background kaffeine process (media player) thats hogging all your cpu
[12:14] <_ReDRuM_> it likes doing that.
[12:15] <yahalom> _ReDRuM_, how do i find out?
[12:15] <_ReDRuM_> press ctrl+escape
[12:15] <reagleBRKLN> since upgrading to ubuntu, if i click the korg alarm daemon in kicker, it doesn't start korganizer, does it work for other people?
[12:17] <kkathman> hey there smouche :)
[12:17] <narg> hrm
[12:17] <kkathman> _ReDRuM_: did you ever get the msi installer to work on Wine?
[12:18] <whiskers> kkathman, ok..we got ants working on ubuntu...so try to get it installed and i think we can solve the upload problem
[12:18] <smouche> hi kkathman!
[12:18] <narg> Do the kubuntu peaple know that there isnt any k menu updater on the kmenu by default? :p
[12:18] <_ReDRuM_> kkathman: dont use wine
[12:18] <narg> nor the menu editor...
[12:18] <_ReDRuM_> havent found anything from windows i cant live without :)
[12:18] <yahalom> _ReDRuM_, what am i looking for?
[12:18] <_ReDRuM_> yahalom: cpu load and memory usage
[12:18] <kkathman> whiskers: I might offer a different alternative, seeing that we have problems connecting together....there is another site called www.yousendit.com  and I know this one works well because I've used it before
[12:19] <_ReDRuM_> memory usage is along the bottom, click on the user column at the top to sort my cpu usage
[12:19] <kkathman> whiskers: also, it doesnt require you to sign up
[12:19] <whiskers> kkathman, forget all those stupid websites...they are just out to make money and rip you off...it already did not work...try to get ants p2p working and we can get something done.
[12:19] <smouche> is anyone else puzzled by these constant upgrades to acroread?
[12:20] <smouche> I get this when I dist-upgrade:
[12:20] <smouche> Get:1 ftp://ftp.nerim.net unstable/main acroread 7.0-0sarge0.8 [23.4MB] 
[12:20] <smouche> every time!
[12:20] <yahalom> _ReDRuM_, its all low
[12:20] <kkathman> whiskers: well this one is absolutely free but I'll check out ants
[12:20] <_ReDRuM_> why would ubuntu be pulling in things from nerim and debian sarge
[12:20] <_ReDRuM_> looks like its another repo you added yourself to your list
[12:20] <narg> ja, it does.
[12:21] <_ReDRuM_> btw, im not getting any acroread updates.
[12:21] <smouche> well, yes -- 
[12:21] <_ReDRuM_> so thats your problem - some other guys broken or incompatible repo :)
[12:21] <smouche> I guess i'll just comment out that repo for the time being
[12:21] <smouche> thanks _ReDRuM_
[12:21] <_ReDRuM_> install acroread from the kubuntu repo
[12:22] <smouche> good idea
[12:22] <narg> ... Either firefox is having the most insane memory leak ever, or OO.o2 is taking 500+ megs of ram...
[12:22] <_ReDRuM_> remove his one first :)
[12:22] <kkathman> whiskers: my apt-cache search ants doesnt come up with anything
[12:22] <_ReDRuM_> narg: openoffice 2 is woefully unstable and not at all ready for production use
[12:22] <narg> heh...
[12:23] <narg> This isnt exactry production use, but thats still insane...
[12:23] <narg> exactly*
[12:23] <_ReDRuM_> it's junk - delete it :)
[12:24] <_ReDRuM_> just compiled mysql for pentium4 on a bloody opteron box :/
[12:25] <_ReDRuM_> skills.
[12:25] <kkathman> kudos :)
[12:25] <_ReDRuM_> it wasn't crashing either
[12:25] <_ReDRuM_> only noticed because i grepped the bash history
[12:26] <kkathman> I just tried to download the source to gimpshop and the tbz is all facked up
[12:29] <smouche> hey kkathman -- did you get any errors like this when you installed opera? 
[12:29] <smouche> Could not start plug-in executable 'operamotifwrapper'.
[12:29] <smouche> /usr/lib/netscape/plugins-libc6/operamotifwrapper-3
[12:29] <smouche> Please install Motif.
[12:29] <smouche> Motif?
[12:30] <whiskers> kkathman, ok..i have it on ants p2p if you want to get it...and that is working for a change
[12:30] <whiskers> kkathman, it is the only thing so far i have found to work
[12:39] <smouche> this is odd...
[12:44] <kkathman> whiskers: I cant find ants in any source
[12:45] <kkathman> smouche: well no I didnt...but it depends on where you tried to get it from and what you dod
[12:45] <kkathman> did
[12:45] <sageek> I Just installed superkaramba and loaded some fine working theme, and i see the icons on it, tho his bg is black and i can't see the text, tho it seems to be working..?
[12:46] <whiskers> kkathman, it is not source it is a type of jnlp file...just google for ants p2p
[12:46] <kkathman> smouche:  Best thing to do is go to opera.com, and download the Debian Sarge version, but NO tar ball...just download the deb
[12:46] <whiskers> kkathman, download it to your desktop and execute with javaws in your java build directory
[12:46] <kkathman> oh ok whiskers..sorry
[12:46] <whiskers> kkathman, that is ok..this new stuff is hard to learn...but you need jre1.5
[12:47] <smouche> kkathman, that's what I did
[12:48] <smouche> opera_8.0-20050316.5-shared-qt_en_sarge_i386.deb 
[12:48] <smouche> from the site
[12:49] <smouche> well, anyway, I was just wondering, 'cause I didn't see those errors the last time I tried opera --
[12:49] <smouche> but maybe that was with gnome hoary...
[12:51] <narg> Thats kinda sad when a package from the official servers segfaults upon startup...
[12:53] <smouche> which one, narg
[12:53] <smouche> ?
[12:53] <narg> eric3
[12:53] <narg> The init python script returns an invalid type, and segfaults.
[12:55] <smouche> hello andrewski.  How are things in xfce land?
[12:55] <andrewski> smouche: pretty good and unfreezing of X.  can't say the same about kde land.... :/
[12:56] <kkathman> whiskers: Im getting nothing on ants here...it just connects to an irc client
[01:05] <smouche> oh wow, cool -- I found this in the supported repo:
[01:05] <smouche> PolyglotMan - Reverse compile man pages
[01:05] <cheniz> hi, i need some help about kdevelop 3.2. is there anyone there?
[01:05] <smouche> just what I wanted -- something to transfer man pages to html...
[01:05] <SpookyET> hi
[01:06] <cheniz> does anyone one where the linker option is in kdevelop 3.2?
[01:06] <whiskers> kkathman, if it connects to irc client it is starting to work just fine
[01:06] <SpookyET> My iPod finally arrived today.
[01:06] <whiskers> kkathman, ok you have to open tcpports...4567 and 4568....and give it a while to connect
[01:06] <kkathman> whiskers: I could never get it to enable the "search" button
[01:06] <cheniz> does anyone know where the linker option is in kdevelop 3.2?
[01:07] <whiskers> kkathman, you have to be connected to p2p first...that will come up automatically after you connect
[01:07] <whiskers> kkathman, this new stuff is complicated so i will try to get you through it
[01:08] <whiskers> kkathman, first be sure tcp 4567 and 4568 are open on your router
[01:12] <whiskers> kkathman, after you open the ports...then push connect on the first page and wait about 10 minutes i don't know why it takes that long
[01:12] <kkathman> whiskers: I seem to be connected... what was the file name you sent out
[01:13] <Riddell> http://www.osdir.com/Article5089.phtml Kubuntu app of the week
[01:13] <whiskers> kkathman, the file is gimpshop2.tar.gz...but i don't see it in my search list at this time.
[01:13] <whiskers> kkathman, but type avi just to see if your search stuff is working
[01:13] <whiskers> kkathman, this new 3rd generation anonymous stuff is complicated
[01:18] <whiskers> kkathman, type hello in the searh field and to search string
[01:18] <whiskers> kkathman, wait a couple of minutes and see if a list does not show up
[01:22] <whiskers> kkathman, do you see a list yet of searching for hello
[01:23] <kkathman> whiskers: nope no matter what I do, the program reports that I am behind a firewall or NAT
[01:23] <whiskers> kkathman, ok...did you open ports 4567 and 4568 for tcp
[01:23] <kkathman> whiskers: And that simply is not true...I opened up 4500-5000
[01:23] <_t_> anyone know anything about compiling zsnes
[01:24] <_t_> with autoconf
[01:24] <kkathman> whiskers: for both TCP and UDP
[01:25] <whiskers> kkathman, well ok...did you type "hello" and search string 
[01:25] <whiskers> kkathman, without the quotes
[01:25] <incubii> oh im excited
[01:25] <kkathman> It never gets that far...wont connect to a network because it thinks Im behind a NAT...I even tried with my Windows box
[01:25] <incubii> upgrading to breezy right now
[01:26] <incubii> sorry for droppin in, but does thise have to do with the install kkathman ?
[01:26] <kkathman> incubii: not really, it has to do with trying to get connected on a p2p
[01:27] <incubii> oh ok :)
[01:27] <kkathman> incubii: Im comforted to know that Im impregnable
[01:28] <kkathman> whiskers: unless you want to try www.yousendit.com then I think we're at the end of the rope
[01:28] <kkathman> the forces of nature do NOT want me using ANYTHING graphical on Linux :)
[01:29] <incubii> anyone else using breezy ?
[01:29] <incubii> i know membrya is
[01:30] <kkathman> not me yet
[01:30] <kkathman> gonna wait just a little while for it to calm down some
[01:31] <incubii> ah
[01:31] <incubii> im at work
[01:31] <incubii> so i set the cron job to every 30 mins
[01:31] <incubii> :D
[01:31] <smouche> wow, I finally managed to crash my panels -- that's new.  I was used to it with gnome...
[01:31] <kkathman> lol  how many updates you getting every 30 mins?
[01:31] <incubii> see how long it takes for the system to be brought to its knees
[01:31] <smouche> heh, kind of refreshing look, no panels
[01:31] <kkathman> panels?
[01:32] <incubii> well this one is 149mb
[01:32] <smouche> kicker etc
[01:32] <incubii> the one before was 50mb
[01:32] <kkathman> smouche: that happens to me everytime I start Quanta
[01:32] <incubii> ooo OO.org 2
[01:32] <incubii> :D
[01:32] <kkathman> incubii: yah thats a little to unstable at the moment for me :)
[01:32] <smouche> What's Quanta, kkathman?
[01:32] <smouche> other than a kicker crashing app
[01:32] <incubii> work pays for me to do stuff like this
[01:32] <kkathman> smouche: Quanta is a web development IDE
[01:33] <incubii> Web editor
[01:33] <kkathman> smouche: in itself it works great, but every once in a while the kicker dies
[01:34] <kkathman> smouche: sometimes it spontaneously comes back, occasionally I have to go to a shell and type "kicker"
[01:34] <incubii> im hopin breezy fixes the cd/dvd troubles on my G4
[01:34] <smouche> I find this no panel view rather refreshing, actually...
[01:34] <incubii> but that will be a while im assuming
[01:35] <smouche> maybe I should set up a "killall kicker" launcher button or something!
[01:36] <incubii> killall kicker && rm -rf /
[01:36] <incubii> thattl fix the problem
[01:36] <incubii> lol
[01:37] <smouche> you know, that works pretty well -- I wouldn't be harming overall system stability, would I, if I did kill kicker frequently, just for kicks?
[01:37] <smouche> I get this in term, when I do:
[01:37] <smouche> kicker: sighandler called
[01:38] <smouche> I like the fact that the panels don't automatically restore themselves when I do that
[01:39] <smouche> incubii -- what does && rm -rf / do exactly -- and please, no practical jokes -- I'm an innocent noob...
[01:40] <incubii> ah well dont do it
[01:40] <smouche> too late!!!!!!!!! you bastard!!!!!!
[01:40] <smouche> lol
[01:40] <incubii> but if you had root privs then it would kill kicker then afterwards it would blow away your filesystem
[01:40] <smouche> no I didn't do it.  I wasn't born yesterday...
[01:40] <incubii> you were born today?
[01:40] <incubii> wow you grew up fast!
[01:41] <smouche> killall incubii && rm -rf /
[01:41] <incubii> lol
[01:43] <smouche> I'm glad I'm using xchat for this -- if I were in a terminal with irssi, I could very easily accidentally invoke that command, just from the terminal history...
[01:43] <incubii> kill -9 `ps-Aww | grep smouche | cut -f1 -d' '`
[01:43] <incubii> :P
[01:43] <smouche> I won't even ask...
[01:44] <incubii> it grabs your process ID and kills you
[01:44] <incubii> :P
[01:44] <kkathman> yeah dont do that
[01:44] <smouche> Seriously, I really like this de-paneled view here!
[01:44] <kkathman> rofl
[01:45] <kkathman> smouche: I have my kicker down to tiny
[01:45] <incubii> i like the default
[01:45] <smouche> I've got keyboard shortcuts up the wazoo, so who needs all those distracting doodads on the edge of the screen??
[01:45] <incubii> but then im running at 1600x1200
[01:46] <smouche> I've got four panels, overkill, but I like them, just not always -- and clicking the hide buttons gets annoying
[01:48] <incubii> wow it rebooted
[01:48] <incubii> wow open office loaded in 4 seconds
[01:49] <smouche> that's fast for that sluggish beast
[01:49] <incubii> use to take 27 seconds
[01:50] <cartel_> hey all
[01:50] <cartel_> does kubuntu support reading rockridge/joliet?
[01:50] <cartel_> or is it a restrictedformat?
[01:51] <incubii> it shouldnt have any troubles reading it
[01:52] <cartel_> hmm
[01:52] <cartel_> maybe this is a hybrid
[01:58] <incubii> su
[01:58] <incubii> oops
[02:04] <whiskers> kkathman, you know that is just so ridiculous that we can download but not upload on anything
[02:05] <delltony> hi what happen to kplayer and or mplayer? 
[02:05] <delltony> and whiskers you still going on about star wars
[02:07] <whiskers> delltony, no...i am just trying to get anything working for uploads
[02:07] <delltony> oh thats cool
[02:18] <jreuter> Can anyone help me get an mp3 player to work?  I've tried XMMS but it freezes, I've tried Totem and it says "could not open resource for writing" and I've tried Zinf, but can't figure out how to run it once installed
[02:19] <incubii> apt-get install amarok-engines
[02:20] <incubii> then use amarok
[02:20] <jreuter> ok
[02:20] <Tm_T> hullo
[02:20] <Tm_T> incu & others o/
[02:20] <smouche> hey, does anyone know a command to hide desktop icons?  I don't want to turn them off in settings, just kill them temporarily
[02:20] <smouche> hi Tm_T
[02:21] <Tm_T> guess what
[02:21] <Tm_T> too much absinthe :o
[02:22] <smouche> jreuter, zinf should run from a command line with "zinf" or from the run command -- ALT f2
[02:22] <smouche> it does for me, anyway
[02:22] <Tm_T> smouche: how are you anyway?
[02:23] <smouche> pretty good, Tm_T -- you?
[02:23] <Tm_T> hmm, not too good
[02:23] <smouche> what's going on?
[02:23] <Tm_T> and, I suppose to be really drunk :p
[02:23] <smouche> ah.
[02:23] <Tm_T> plah, just lost most of the pain :/
[02:24] <Tm_T> misconfigured body etc
[02:24] <delltony> Tm_T,  you could just rename the file with a . infront of them if i'm not mistaken that will make it hidden
[02:24] <Tm_T> =)
[02:24] <smouche> I'm not following you, Tm_T ...
[02:25] <smouche> but you remind me; I've got three bottles of scotch sitting here that need drinking...
[02:25] <jreuter> smouche: I tried it from the command line but no luck
[02:25] <jreuter> I've installed Amarok now
[02:25] <delltony> smouche, he just doesn't want the click here for porno icon :D i know all about haha
[02:25] <smouche> jreuter, it sounds like an app is locking up your sound system
[02:25] <jreuter> I think I have to kill some process though... one of the other players is using the gstreamer it looks like
[02:25] <smouche> yes
[02:25] <jreuter> might be xmms
[02:25] <smouche> exactly
[02:25] <jreuter> because I've had to kill it before
[02:26] <smouche> try typing top
[02:26] <smouche> or CTRL - esc
[02:26] <Tm_T> smouche: I already drunk quite much scotch whiskey and continued with absinthe, but only lost my physical pains 
[02:26] <smouche> jesus, Tm_T-- absinthe?
[02:26] <Tm_T> yes!
[02:27] <smouche> take it easy dude -- you'll be needing that body (and brain) for a while...
[02:27] <Tm_T> =)
[02:27] <Tm_T> I'm allright
[02:27] <smouche> jreuter, what do you see running?
[02:28] <jreuter> well, nothing that looks like it would be using gstreamer
[02:28] <Tm_T> smouche: just try it, with cola :p
[02:28] <jreuter> I have a lot running right now....
[02:28] <jreuter> let me close out some stuff...
[02:29] <Tm_T> strange combination, being drunk without getting drunk
[02:29] <smouche> try killing artsd , jreuter
[02:29] <Tm_T> :)
[02:29] <Raven_> kde is putting a message at the top left. It says things every time I activate a window. I want to get rid of it. Maybe a debugging tool I turned on by mistake.
[02:29] <Raven_> Please help! It is driving me crazy!
[02:30] <Tm_T> heh
[02:30] <jreuter> ok
[02:30] <smouche> "I can't forget ... I can't forget ... I can't forget ... but I can't remember what..." - leonard cohen
[02:30] <Tm_T> haha
[02:30] <Raven_> "The KDE Windows Manager moveend", in one example
[02:30] <smouche> "the piano has been drinking, not me... not me.... not... meeeee " - tom waits
[02:30] <jreuter> smouche: That wasn't it
[02:31] <jreuter> right now I only have firefox, x-chat, and a terminal running
[02:31] <jreuter> what is artsd?
[02:31] <Raven_> "The KDE Windows Manager movestart", is a second example
[02:31] <smouche> wow, something is really gumming stuff up there jreuter -- can you hear event sounds?  are they enabled?
[02:31] <jreuter> yeah... they are fine
[02:31] <jreuter> that's why I'm puzzled
[02:31] <smouche> artsd is the sound engine, I think
[02:31] <jreuter> I see
[02:32] <smouche> if you kill it, it's started automatically by sound applications, I think
[02:32] <jreuter> yeah it started back up almost immediately
[02:32] <smouche> wow-- you might want to try on the wiki
[02:32] <jreuter> I think I've tried too many programs...
[02:32] <smouche> yeah
[02:33] <jreuter> I'm going to try a few things and I might be back ... if not ... I got it working
[02:33] <smouche> maybe logging out would help... ?
[02:33] <jreuter> that's what I'm thinking
[02:33] <smouche> good luck!
[02:33] <jreuter> see you soon
[02:33] <jreuter> thanks
[02:33] <Tm_T> smouche: btw ever tried absinthe with coke?
[02:34] <smouche> I hope you mean coke as in cola, Tm_T -- and no, I haven't!
[02:34] <Tm_T> yes, cola =)
[02:34] <smouche> hope I didn't give you any ideas ... ;-0
[02:34] <Tm_T> great stuff, as long as you don't drink too much! =)
[02:35] <kkathman> Hiya Tm_T :)
[02:35] <Tm_T> Hi kkathman!
[02:35] <kkathman> Hey Tm_T you've gotten Wine to work right?
[02:35] <Tm_T> in my other box yes
[02:35] <smouche> better not mention alcoholic beverages right now in front of Tm_T, kkathman :)
[02:36] <kkathman> Tm_T: did you install that MSI thing when you did ?
[02:36] <Tm_T> haha
[02:36] <Tm_T> MSI ?
[02:36] <smouche> he might end up pouring absinthe on his keyboard...
[02:36] <Tm_T> haha xD
[02:36] <kkathman> Tm_T: yes, the microsoft installer...some disks need it to install
[02:37] <Tm_T> ah, I only used it to install SPww2v7 :)
[02:38] <kkathman> ahh ok
[02:38] <Tm_T> smouche: I'm in quite sharp condition, but I supposed to be passed out right now ...
[02:38] <kkathman> well I cant seem to get the MSI installed using wine and I need it to install Paint Shop Pro
[02:39] <Tm_T> kkathman: if you have windows install in your har drive, it'll help
[02:39] <kkathman> Tm_T: why?
[02:39] <Tm_T> wine can use it ;)
[02:39] <Tm_T> afaik
[02:40] <kkathman> nah I dont 
[02:40] <smouche> this stuff is what always confused me about wine...
[02:40] <Tm_T> :)
[02:40] <kkathman> I also tried to get the source from gimpshop and when I tar that it gives error message :)
[02:40] <incubii> wine shmine
[02:40] <incubii> i prefer bourbon
[02:40] <narg_> Hrm, does kcron work for anybody, or is it just broken for me? (Kcron as root that is)
[02:40] <incubii> oh you mean wine as in linux :P
[02:40] <Tm_T> I hate all emulation, original rocks
[02:40] <smouche> can wine use stuff directly from an ntfs partition, or do I have to put the program files in a folder within linux?
[02:41] <kkathman> I just need a graphical editor in linux...is that too much to ask :)
[02:41] <smouche> or either?
[02:41] <Tm_T> kkathman: Gimp!
[02:41] <incubii> if you cant mount and read the ntfs partition then wine can use it
[02:41] <narg_> err... kkathman, just use gimp?
[02:41] <incubii> can*
[02:41] <kkathman> GIMP SUCKS
[02:41] <narg_> err... ok.
[02:41] <kkathman> did I say that out loud?
[02:41] <Tm_T> kkathman: no it don't!
[02:41] <incubii> you just have to config wine to though
[02:41] <incubii> gimps interface is horrible
[02:41] <kkathman> incubii: have you installed the MSI in wine?
[02:41] <Tm_T> nah, it works
[02:42] <jreuter> smouche: Sorry to say, no luck for me
[02:42] <narg_> That it is, but it is a decent program.
[02:42] <smouche> incubii -- wouldn't many programs also require writing back to the program files on the ntfs partition, and might that not cause problems?
[02:42] <Tm_T> incubii: just need some time to learn, it's just fine
[02:42] <incubii> no ive never installed an MSI
[02:42] <kkathman> its a decent program..but not when you've used PS7 all your life
[02:42] <jreuter> I had/have no programs running and still no luck
[02:42] <jreuter> didn't even bring up my wireless yet
[02:42] <smouche> jreuter, sorry to hear that
[02:42] <Tm_T> Gimp <3<3<3
[02:42] <incubii> well if thats the case smouche and you have windows installed on your system as well you can use captive ntfs
[02:43] <jreuter> any idea what might be using the gstreamer oss device "/dev/dsp"?
[02:43] <kkathman> incubii: I followed these instructions:  http://www.frankscorner.org/index.php?p=msihttp://www.frankscorner.org/index.php?p=msi and it still wont install
[02:43] <jreuter> that's the error it's giving me
[02:43] <kkathman> Tm_T: Gimp <0.00000001
[02:43] <smouche> "captive ntfs" .  Ok, thanks incubii, I'll google that
[02:43] <Tm_T> kkathman: I'll kick your ass ] ;=
[02:43] <kkathman> hehe
[02:44] <Tm_T> kkathman: http://www.kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/kapsi.fi/kapsi002.png
[02:44] <incubii> well i can assure you that works in windows, but ive never tried it in wine.
[02:44] <Tm_T> kkathman: http://www.kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/kapsi.fi/kapsi003_02.png
[02:44] <kkathman> whats all that?
[02:44] <incubii> mind you what works in wine 1.0 doesnt mean ittl work in wine1.0.0.0.1
[02:44] <Tm_T> kkathman: and only gimp ;)
[02:45] <kkathman> Tm_T: try doing this simple thing....go into gimp, enter some text, and do a drop shadow...then create a new layer, draw a straight line across the page, then try to move that line layer around....you cant do it...it will trash the layers everytime
[02:46] <Tm_T> eh?
[02:46] <kkathman> plus, I'd LOVE to be able to see the drop shadow as I create it, not GUESS at it
[02:46] <SpookyET> Unbelievable!  I hate you windows, i hate you, i hate you, i hate you, i hate you. There is a deadlock between windows and the iPod updater. neither can lock. i'm going to try to use amaroK on linux. unbelievable
[02:46] <smouche> Tm_T, cool wallpaper on there...
[02:47] <Tm_T> smouche: witch one?
[02:47] <kkathman> it took me like 20 minutes to do those two steps that I can do in PS7 in about 90 seconds
[02:47] <Tm_T> kkathman: that 003 was done in 2min ;)
[02:47] <smouche> http://www.kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/ubuntu-oma2-beta-5.png
[02:47] <Tm_T> smouche: ah ok
[02:47] <smouche> I haven't looked at them all, but very nice
[02:48] <narg_> gah, cron/kcron are giving me crazy uid errors.
[02:48] <smouche> it takes me 20 minutes just to close all the damn windows that Gimp opens.  Hate that interface
[02:48] <Tm_T> smouche: ah that one!
[02:48] <kkathman> smouche: hehe
[02:48] <jreuter> smouche:  GOT IT!!! 
[02:48] <Tm_T> smouche: haha, I love gimp interface
[02:48] <smouche> jreuter, cool!
[02:48] <kkathman> smouche: yes its quite...uhm....Non intuitive
[02:48] <jreuter> had to change setting for the sound engine
[02:49] <smouche> how'd you do it?
[02:49] <jreuter> xine instead of gstreamer incase someone else comes across it
[02:49] <Tm_T> gstreamer <3
[02:49] <smouche> you know, that should have occured to me, of course -- totem runs on xine on my system..
[02:49] <jreuter> all your help is much appreciated
[02:50] <incubii> whats wrong SpookeyET ?
[02:50] <smouche> you're welcome!
[02:50] <jreuter> now I just have to figure out how to get my battery info to show up and I'm set
[02:50] <incubii> oh he left
[02:50] <jreuter> :-)
[02:50] <Tm_T> smouche: when you learn to use gimp, you don't really miss any commercial apps :p
[02:50] <smouche> sorry I didn't think to ask about xine, jreuter!
[02:50] <jreuter> no prob
[02:50] <incubii> gimp has a long way to go
[02:51] <incubii> when you can move photoshop fan boys over to gimp give me a call
[02:51] <Tm_T> smouche: I actually use gimp in my windows too (when I relly have to use windows)
[02:51] <incubii> ;)
[02:52] <incubii> :D
[02:52] <smouche> i like paintshop pro!
[02:52] <incubii> i prefer it to photoshop
[02:52] <Tm_T> incubii: blah, I found photoshop more difficult than gimp
[02:52] <Tm_T> smouche: yes PSP is great one
[02:52] <Tm_T> uh
[02:53] <incubii> well we arent talking about you we are talkin about Photoshop fanboys. my friend at tantalus wont touch gimp because its shit
[02:53] <incubii> that being his comment
[02:53] <Tm_T> !
[02:53] <kkathman> Tm_T: I can understand that, but if you are into web design and graphical arts, like my business is, you go with a super supported package..either Paint Shop Pro or Photoshop. Once you learn one of those two, you can learn the other quickly.  Gimp is very abnormally layed out and not very standardized.
[02:53] <incubii> they would have to recode their entire plugin suite
[02:54] <smouche> I hate hate hate the Gimp interface. 
[02:54] <incubii> i think its great that gimp exists i just think it needs to tailor more towards those people to make it more wide spread
[02:54] <Tm_T> kkathman: yes, but as a free software, powerful enough for me
[02:54] <Tm_T> kkathman: you must separate commercial and home use
[02:55] <incubii> can the gimp convert to print format colours yet ?
[02:56] <Tm_T> eh, yes?
[02:56] <Tm_T> just try it
[02:56] <kkathman> Tm_T: true, but by saying that, and using that mentality, you are assenting to the fact that you dont think Linux is a commerical platform, and thats not true
[02:56] <incubii> well i know pre 2.0 it couldnt
[02:56] <Tm_T> kkathman: no, I don't mean it that way
[02:57] <Tm_T> kkathman: I mean, when you have money enough, you have more choices, not nessessary better though
[02:58] <kkathman> Tm_T: But the idea of Open Source, is more choice right?
[02:59] <Tm_T> kkathman: yes, ofcourse
[02:59] <kkathman> Tm_T: I think you mean that your needs are rudimentary, so Gimp does fine for you...however, my needs, and a typical developer, have needs on a grander scale...including high productivity. Gimp doesnt meet that benchmark
[03:00] <Tm_T> kkathman: but when you are student like me, you only can choose  the cheapest and the best from free ;)
[03:00] <incubii> you are both right
[03:00] <Tm_T> yes
[03:00] <kkathman> Tm_T: Absolutely......But as a small business owner, I want that low investment too!!!!
[03:00] <Tm_T> kkathman: yes, and then gimp is not the best choice :)
[03:00] <Tm_T> mostly
[03:01] <kkathman> Tm_T: And Im just disappointed that I cant do everything in Linux right now :)
[03:01] <incubii> its a choice, and a nice choice but there are many others out there as well, some commercial some not
[03:01] <incubii> to each his own
[03:01] <Tm_T> :)
[03:02] <Tm_T> incubii: yes, and every choice have their own places as well
[03:02] <incubii> agreed
[03:02] <kkathman> very true
[03:02] <Tm_T> blah, why this absinthe won't let me pass out
[03:03] <incubii> its probably american, so its watered down L:P
[03:03] <Tm_T> incubii: no this is not!
[03:04] <Tm_T> haven't been in foreign country yet 
[03:04] <kkathman> if a file is a tbz, do you still use tar to undo it?
[03:04] <incubii> doesnt mean you cant buy american products :P
[03:04] <kkathman> I havent seen that one yet
[03:05] <incubii> id assume it was a tar file thats been bziped
[03:05] <kkathman> incubii: now are you going to make global generalities?
[03:05] <Tm_T> incubii: nope, but in local alcohol store, there is quite fidderent stuff than in America
[03:05] <kkathman> incubii: so I should tar xvjf on it?
[03:05] <Tm_T> ehh'
[03:05] <incubii> i was poking fun :P
[03:05] <Tm_T> quite funy misspelling =)
[03:06] <incubii> adobe bought out macromedia
[03:06] <kkathman> yep
[03:06] <incubii> :O
[03:06] <Tm_T> yes
[03:06] <kkathman> 3.4B
[03:06] <Tm_T> that's old news
[03:06] <incubii> maybe to you
[03:06] <Tm_T> =)
[03:06] <kkathman> it happened today :)
[03:06] <incubii> i live on the other side of the globe
[03:07] <Tm_T> no, yesterday ;)
[03:07] <incubii> it takes a while to get that stuff
[03:07] <smouche> somehow "American" and "absinthe" are not two words I commonly see closely associated...
[03:07] <kkathman> yesterday was sunday, no business transaction Tm
[03:07] <Tm_T> smouche: I thought so ;)
[03:07] <incubii> yesterday was monday for me :P
[03:07] <Tm_T> kkathman: no, it was monday ;)
[03:07] <smouche> sequel to American in Paris:  Americans on Absinthe
[03:07] <Tm_T> haha
[03:08] <Tm_T> ok, more that stuff then
[03:08] <kkathman> Tm_T: Its still Monday here :)
[03:08] <Tm_T> kkathman: eh, somethin' like 10am ?
[03:08] <smouche> rofl
[03:08] <kkathman> the press release on it was 9:03am my time
[03:08] <Tm_T> pm I mean
[03:08] <smouche> closer
[03:08] <kkathman> nah its only 8pm here
[03:08] <smouche> 8:00 for kkathman, I think..
[03:09] <Tm_T> eh
[03:09] <smouche> 9:00 for me
[03:09] <incubii> 11.09am here
[03:09] <Tm_T> 0411 ;)
[03:09] <Tm_T> ok, it's 0410 actually
[03:10] <incubii> damn right it is
[03:10] <kkathman> well I got the gimpshop source but have no idea what to do with it :)
[03:10] <Tm_T> looks like one of my computers have it's own time
[03:10] <kkathman> yum smouche :)
[03:10] <Tm_T> smouche: !!!
[03:10] <incubii> white castle doesnt exist here
[03:11] <Tm_T> I have some wurst sandwitchese
[03:11] <kkathman> so who here is good at compiling?
[03:11] <Tm_T> o/
[03:11] <whiskers> kkathman, well you compile it....you will have to....i can't find any program that lets me upload anything on this linux
[03:11] <darkaudit> white castle only in microwave form from Kroger or Giant Eagle...
[03:11] <TechLord> has anyone got spambayes working with kmail
[03:11] <kkathman> whiskers I downloaded the source ok, and extracted, but Not sure where to go from here
[03:11] <incubii> i dont think we have those products
[03:12] <Tm_T> kkathman: never compiled yourself?
[03:12] <kkathman> Tm_T: I did gaim one time
[03:12] <Tm_T> kkathman: check README file ;)
[03:12] <incubii> i did LFS
[03:12] <whiskers> kkathman, well nano the README and INSTALL in top directory....then do ./configure --help       to see your options
[03:12] <kkathman> but this has alot of stuff that doesnt look like the gaim stuff I did
[03:12] <kkathman> ahh ok
[03:13] <whiskers> kkathman, then watch the errors all over the place as you are missing lots of important files...and you will have to go get each one of them...until you get a good compile
[03:13] <Tm_T> kkathman: ok /msg me, maybe I can help ;)
[03:13] <whiskers> kkathman, i just see no way of uploading anything
[03:14] <kkathman> whiskers: I am very confident in www.yousendit.com  I have used that before and its very simple and no registration
[03:14] <kkathman> whiskers: but I understand your reluctance...you've been far too patient today with me :)
[03:14] <whiskers> kkathman, well i am so sick of all those programs not working but i guess i can try one more
[03:14] <Tm_T> :)
[03:14] <whiskers> kkathman, give me your email address
[03:14] <kkathman> whiskers: please use this email this time ok:    kkathman@earthlink.net
[03:15] <Tm_T> whiskers: SPAM!!? ] ;=
[03:15] <kkathman> thats my main one and I know it will not have problems
[03:15] <kkathman> Tm_T: like I dont get any of that already :)
[03:15] <Tm_T> kkathman: not enough _yet!_
[03:16] <kkathman> I get almost 700 pieces a week that get trapped and another 40/day that dont :)
[03:16] <smouche> Tm_T -- you know, it'd be great if some of your wallpaper were in svg format...
[03:17] <smouche> ever think of converting them?  I don't know how or if that's done, actually
[03:17] <Tm_T> smouche: yes, but I'm not yet familiar with svg format ;)
[03:17] <incubii> why am i the only person that doesnt get spam
[03:18] <Tm_T> incubii: I don't get any spam
[03:18] <incubii> was begining to think i was the only one
[03:18] <Tm_T> =)
[03:19] <smouche> wow, www.yousendit.com -- looks useful -- how big a file can you send with that I wonder?
[03:19] <Tm_T> smouche: you tell me, more absinthe or sleep?
[03:20] <incubii> more absinthe :D
[03:20] <Tm_T> hmm, no sleep. not tonight, enough pain already
[03:20] <incubii> ittl result in sleep
[03:20] <Tm_T> incubii: nope:p
[03:20] <smouche> Tm_T -- I vote for a long walk outside on a spring day.
[03:20] <incubii> so you kill two birds with te one stone
[03:20] <Tm_T> smouche: eh, its night, so more absinthe while waiting sunrise then ;)
[03:21] <Tm_T> heh
[03:22] <smouche> oops!  heh heh , I moved Finland to another continent!
[03:22] <Tm_T> ?
[03:22] <smouche> wrong time zone!
[03:22] <kkathman> smouche: up to 1gb
[03:22] <Tm_T> heh
[03:22] <kkathman> brb...dinner time
[03:22] <smouche> wow, 1gb -- hmmm
[03:22] <smouche> nice
[03:23] <Tm_T> smouche: +2 in here ;)
[03:24] <whiskers> kkathman-dinner, i don't get any spam anymore....i used to get a lot
[03:24] <whiskers> kkathman-dinner, i don't know if the isps filter it at the server level or what ...but i don't get any anymore
[03:25] <smouche> I think kkathman-dinner may actually be away, like, eating dinner, dude
[03:25] <Tm_T> no way, dude!
[03:25] <Tm_T> ;)
[03:25] <smouche> Go to bed Tm_T!  That's an order!
[03:25] <Tm_T> 04:27 < Tm_T> no way, dude!
[03:25] <Tm_T> ;-----p
[03:26] <danikata> hi all
[03:26] <incubii> pre-emptive irc responses
[03:26] <smouche> hi danikata
[03:26] <Tm_T> just filled up my glass :p
[03:26] <danikata> how to add root password ?
[03:26] <danikata> hi smouche
[03:26] <incubii> sudo passwd root
[03:26] <Tm_T> danikata: "sudo passwd root"
[03:26] <smouche> Tm_T, don't you have to be anywhere tomorrow?  er, today?
[03:26] <Tm_T> ok, I'm slow
[03:27] <Tm_T> smouche: nope, but in hospital in wednesday
[03:27] <smouche> or is Tuesday some kind of "ok everybody gets to stay home with a hangover day" in Finland?
[03:27] <Tm_T> smouche: nope
[03:27] <incubii> lol
[03:28] <Tm_T> smouche: propably I don't even have hangover
[03:28] <Tm_T> never had
[03:28] <danikata> thx Tm_T & incubii
[03:28] <smouche> Tm_T, then really, slow down, don't pour extra poison into yourself; youll make the docs job harder...
[03:29] <Tm_T> =)
[03:29] <smouche> danikata, do you really really want a root password?  people usually urge against it in ubuntu-land!
[03:29] <Tm_T> no, root is all you need!
[03:29] <smouche> supposed to settle for sudo, for everything
[03:29] <Tm_T> if it's wormwood root ;)
[03:29] <whiskers> kkathman-dinner, that website doesn't seem to be working either.....there seems to be no hard disk activity at all
[03:29] <smouche> lol
[03:30] <incubii> i use root
[03:30] <whiskers> kkathman-dinner, i just don't have any idea what to do....it probably has something to do with this NAT stuff
[03:30] <danikata> yes i need root password smouche
[03:30] <Tm_T> smouche: there is a reason why finnish people are thought as a hard drinker ;)
[03:32] <smouche> Tm_T -- join #Tm_T
[03:32] <Tm_T> ?
[03:32] <smouche> s'il vous plait...
[03:32] <incubii> lol
[03:32] <Tm_T> =)
[03:32] <Tm_T> xD
[03:33] <Tm_T> smouche: should I say, I <3 you ;) ;)
[03:33] <jsgotangco> hi Riddell
[03:33] <Tm_T> Riddell o/
[03:33] <abinadid> hi guys i just bought my epson c66 printer i need i litle help here  : )
[03:34] <smouche> no really, Tm_T, pop into #Tm_T for a second
[03:35] <abinadid> i just got it to work i'm so exited
[03:36] <abinadid> sorry
[03:36] <Tm_T> =)
[03:38] <whiskers> kkathman-dinner, well i sure am tired ...it has been a long day ....and we tried so many programs and none of them work....i am going to leave the website you said on....but i don't think it is working either
[03:41] <danikata> kubuntu is great, greater than ubuntu
[03:41] <danikata> :)
[03:43] <incubii> does anyone actually have an article saying adobe did buy macromedia out for 3.4b as i can only find ones saying they are going to
[03:44] <whiskers> kkathman-dinner, it just seems like it is virtually impossible to upload any data.....at least at this time....probably that NAT stuff
[03:44] <abinadid> yes they did i just wattch it in the news
[03:45] <incubii> ah ok
[03:45] <abinadid> what do you guys think
[03:46] <abinadid> you think is good??
[03:47] <incubii> no, it was better when they were two companies. Now that they are one they have a monopoly and thus can do what they want
[03:48] <incubii> they they kinda did before. who knows maybe its  agreat thing
[03:48] <incubii> time for food, before coke digests my stomach
[03:49] <danikata> gtg
[03:49] <abinadid> would you buy their products if the make a linux version??
[03:54] <incubii> well i have no use for their products at all, but i guess i would if i had a need and it was as good or better then their windows requivalents
[03:56] <kubu101> hi there
[03:56] <kubu101> i runed kynaptic and it stalled...
[03:56] <kubu101> i had to kill it, and run sudo dpkg --configure -a  3 times to get everything resolved, are the apps installed or not? :P
[03:56] <incubii> try to run it
[03:56] <incubii> if it dont run its not
[03:56] <kubu101> well kynaptic run
[03:57] <kubu101> but is it installed, i selected like 300 pkg
[03:57] <incubii> dont use kynaptic
[03:57] <kubu101> the last time i lunch it it says
[03:57] <incubii> use synaptic
[03:57] <kubu101> run dpkg --configure -a
[03:57] <incubii> kynaptic is not very good right now
[03:57] <kubu101> the problem with kynaptic is there is no fucking console output
[03:57] <kubu101> so u don't know whats going on
[03:57] <kubu101> ok so what i do?!
[03:57] <kubu101> lol
[03:58] <incubii> there should be a kynaptic log somewhere
[03:58] <kubu101> ok... i rebooted and now i get ubuntu on gnome...
[03:59] <kubu101> WTF!!!
[03:59] <kubu101> with an orange login
[04:00] <kubu101> how come it reboots in GNOME?!!!!
[04:00] <Tm_T> haha
[04:01] <kubu101> ok sesssions: KDE
[04:01] <kubu101> there's something REALLY WRONG HERE
[04:01] <kubu101> ;)
[04:01] <Tm_T> =)
[04:01] <kubu101> it feels like you install some app on an WinXP machine and you reboot in Windows 3.11
[04:01] <kubu101> lol
[04:03] <Rima> is kubuntu still quite new? - it seems the take up has been with ubuntu not this one?
[04:03] <kubu101> synaptic = kynaptic with gnome interface
[04:03] <kubu101> you don't have any CONSOLE output!!!!
[04:03] <Tm_T> kubu101: !
[04:03] <incubii> kubuntu just had its first release
[04:04] <incubii> synaptic has console output
[04:04] <kubu101> really?
[04:04] <Tm_T> kubu101: no, console interface is all you need
[04:04] <incubii> i have it on mine
[04:04] <kubu101> so now i uninstall alll the shit and reinstall it?
[04:04] <kubu101> i just want a freaking scrollbox window at the bottom :P
[04:04] <kubu101> showing what's going on
[04:04] <Tm_T> heh
[04:04] <kubu101> ala mirc install
[04:04] <Tm_T> why not use Konsole?
[04:05] <Tm_T> and apt-get etc
[04:05] <kubu101> why not fix your fucking usability apps ;)
[04:06] <kubu101> that's like saying the number + on your TI calc is broken... well use a pencil!
[04:06] <Tm_T> ok it's morning already
[04:06] <kubu101> here its late ;)
[04:06] <kubu101> does it shows?
[04:06] <kubu101> next question is... how do you install kde-apps ?
[04:07] <incubii> using what
[04:08] <Tm_T> kubu101: "apt-get install kde-apps" ;)
[04:09] <incubii> theres a kde-apps package ?
[04:09] <kubu101> no such package
[04:09] <kubu101> lol
[04:09] <kubu101> i mean stuff in kde-apps.org
[04:09] <Tm_T> kubu101: !
[04:09] <kubu101> man, i really want autopackage or zeroinstall
[04:10] <kubu101> this is really anoying
[04:10] <Tm_T> why not just compile it?
[04:10] <sorin> hi
[04:10] <Tm_T> hullo
[04:10] <sorin> amaroK is not detecting my iPod.
[04:10] <whiskers> kkathman-dinner, well the web page says done but i never saw it send any data so see if anything is there ok
[04:10] <Tm_T> ok
[04:10] <incubii> you have to mount the ipod partition first
[04:10] <kubu101> Tm_T: you should REALLY take comp6751 - Usability
[04:10] <Tm_T> ?
[04:11] <kubu101> Life will be so much different after that ;)
[04:11] <incubii> should be as simple as rightclickin on the ipod partition in media:/ and selecting mount
[04:11] <Tm_T> kubu101: three commands, not that difficult
[04:11] <kubu101> maybe kde university should offer some
[04:11] <Tm_T> =)
[04:11] <kubu101> it's not about difficult dude, it's all about usability
[04:11] <Tm_T> eh
[04:11] <kubu101> i'm geek ok, but i don't use commandline except for scripting
[04:12] <Tm_T> ehat?!
[04:12] <Tm_T> command line is all you need ;)
[04:13] <Tm_T> but back in IRCNet ->
[04:13] <kubu101> Tm_T install/configure apps from source only with something like fink
[04:13] <kubu101> last time i used fink in OSX, it took 8h to install shit
[04:14] <Tm_T> xD
[04:14] <Tm_T> btw freeciv2 is out \o/
[04:14] <kubu101> ya we read /. 
[04:14] <Tm_T> and already slashdotted :p
[04:15] <Tm_T> tested every beta already =)
[04:16] <kubu102> not bad
[04:16] <Tm_T> maybe should compile that stable too
[04:16] <kubu101> ya konversation is okay
[04:16] <Tm_T> kubu101: haven't tried irssi?
[04:17] <kubu102> i don't know i run KDE in vmware right now
[04:17] <Tm_T> ] ;=
[04:17] <kubu102> irssi
[04:17] <whiskers> kkathman-dinner, did you ever get any email from that file
[04:17] <kubu102> wtf is that
[04:17] <Tm_T> kubu101: irssi is command line irc-client
[04:17] <kubu102> a kioslave also :P
[04:17] <kubu102> ouach
[04:18] <kubu102> that stinks
[04:18] <kubu102> brrrrrrr
[04:18] <Tm_T> no!
[04:18] <kubu102> ! /quit
 i didnt have to do ctrl-c :P
[04:18] <kubu101> ok back to mirc
[04:18] <Tm_T> mirc sucks
[04:19] <Tm_T> =)
[04:19] <kubu101> where's Qt designer
[04:19] <kubu101> mirc works with wine i think
[04:20] <Tm_T> but I have been using irssi over 5 years so that's all I use
[04:20] <Tm_T> all I need =)
[04:21] <jsgotangco> hmm
[04:22] <incubii> why would you want to use mirc on linux
[04:23] <kubu101> why not
[04:24] <kubu101> because im familiar with the interface until i write a KDE clone ;)
[04:24] <incubii> xchat is just as good
[04:25] <kubu101> 1. too gnomish
[04:25] <kubu101> 2. don't have all the feature
[04:25] <kubu101> 3. don't support mirc script
[04:25] <kubu101> 4. no toolbar
[04:26] <Rima> does kubuntu have an x based application installer?
[04:26] <kubu101> the windows can be tile/organized?
[04:26] <kubu101> kynaptic/synaptic but it sux? :P
[04:26] <incubii> well show me another IRc client that supports mirc scripts
[04:27] <Rima> lol - oh what to do, used kde for years... installed kubuntu at home and ubuntu at work... both look good ARGH too many choices
[04:27] <incubii> lol rima
[04:27] <Tm_T> kubu101: 1. you don't need graphic interface 2. irssi have more features 3. irssi have more scripts (afaik) 4. toolbar? why spending time wiht your mouse?
[04:28] <incubii> lol Tm_T
[04:28] <Tm_T> =)
[04:28] <incubii> why dont you just change yer nic to irssi
[04:28] <incubii> :P
[04:28] <Tm_T> xD
[04:28] <Tm_T> I was doing that
[04:28] <incubii> does irssi support irc over port 80
[04:28] <kubu101> Tm_T: there's 90% out there who use mirc
[04:28] <incubii> and proxy support
[04:28] <kubu101> convince the,
[04:28] <kubu101> ;)
[04:28] <Rima> hmm kubuntu I think, I like kopete better than gaim - done! lol
[04:29] <kubu101> especially my g/f ;) wasn't KDE start out because the creator couldn't install X/Motif on his g/f computer ;)
[04:29] <Tm_T> incubii: yes, you can use irssi with proxy OR you can use irssi as a proxy ;p
[04:29] <kubu101> *history* history :P
[04:29] <incubii> might give it a go
[04:29] <incubii> might be able to ditch CGI:IRC then
[04:30] <whiskers> kkathman-dinner, no wonder that guy was in here the other day asking for a static IP....he probably could not get any programs to work either
[04:30] <Tm_T> incubii: you can't really tell what client I am using right now
[04:32] <incubii> irssi
[04:32] <incubii> oops
[04:33] <Tm_T> :p
[04:33] <kubu101> doesnt say on whois
[04:33] <Tm_T> omg
[04:34] <Tm_T> yes, there's irssi, but do I use it directly or is it just a proxy/bouncer?
[04:35] <Tm_T> or do I use it directly AND as a proxy :p
[04:39] <kubu101> Tm_T: you think I should write a big KDE usability review^W rant?
[04:50] <incubii> nup no such luck
[04:50] <incubii> the proxy is too restrictive :|
[04:50] <incubii> curse my fellow admin
[04:52] <Tm_T> =)
[04:52] <Tm_T> haha
[04:53] <Tm_T> as long as ssh is not restricted, I'm fine =)
[04:56] <incubii> if i had the code to this cgi:irc i could make it so much better, then agin i dont have the time to
[04:56] <Tm_T> :)
[04:58] <kubu101> cgi:irc is what a perl module? :P
[04:58] <kubu101> php?
[04:58] <kubu101> ;)
[04:59] <incubii> php
[04:59] <incubii> its what im chatting through on some guys site
[04:59] <kubu101> CGI:IRC is a Perl/CGI program to use IRC from a web browser.
[04:59] <kubu101> Perl
[04:59] <kubu101> http://cgiirc.sourceforge.net/
[04:59] <kubu101> there u go hack it!
[04:59] <kubu101> :)
[05:00] <incubii> lol its no good to me
[05:00] <kubu101> why not
[05:00] <incubii> i need somewhere to host the hack then
[05:00] <incubii> outside of the firewall
[05:00] <kubu101> :P
[05:00] <kubu101> well hack it
[05:00] <kubu101> then contact the host webmaster :P
[05:00] <kubu101> lol
[05:01] <incubii> lol
[05:01] <kubu101> u guys know perl right
[05:01] <kubu101> :D
[05:02] <kubu101> especially tm_t
[05:02] <Tm_T> !
[05:02] <kubu101> what
[05:02] <kubu101> :P
[05:02] <kubu101> u dont know perl!
[05:02] <Tm_T> yes!
[05:03] <kubu101> yes u dont know
[05:03] <kubu101> and u use a console irc client
[05:03] <Tm_T> =)
[05:03] <kubu101> pathetic
[05:03] <Tm_T> I do know perl :p
[05:03] <kubu101> u know pugs
[05:03] <kubu101> ;)
[05:04] <kubu101> u know pugs or not :P
[05:04] <Tm_T> kubu101: eh, I even was codin directly 8085 assembly some years ago ;)
[05:04] <kubu101> me 2
[05:05] <kubu101> well 8086
[05:05] <kubu101> and pic's
[05:05] <kubu101> pal's
[05:05] <Tm_T> AVR <3
[05:05] <kubu101> Parallax Basic
[05:05] <kubu101> VHDL
[05:05] <kubu101> Verilog ;)
[05:05] <kubu101> 8051
[05:05] <kubu101> 68000
[05:05] <incubii> i know Brainfuck
[05:05] <Tm_T> =)
[05:05] <incubii> does that count
[05:05] <kubu101> BF also
[05:05] <kubu101> :D
[05:05] <kubu101> u know extended Bf ?
[05:05] <Tm_T> incubii: you know CMX?
[05:05] <kubu101> CMX?
[05:06] <Tm_T> Cloaca Maxima!
[05:06] <incubii> no i used original BF
[05:06] <kubu101> dunno
[05:06] <incubii> even made a pascal compiler for it
[05:06] <incubii> that was fun...not
[05:06] <kubu101> ++++[++<---] +-.
[05:06] <kubu101> i made a perl interpreter of brainfuck files ;)
[05:06] <Tm_T> CMX is a great band ;p
[05:07] <incubii> ++++++++++[>+++++++>++++++++++>+++>+<<<<-] >++.>+.+++++++..+++.>++.<<+++++++++++++++.>.+++.------.--------.>+.>.
[05:07] <Tm_T> =)
[05:07] <kubu101> ya baby
[05:07] <kubu101> :D
[05:08] <incubii> i had brainfuck ASM going as well
[05:08] <incubii> but i lost it
[05:08] <Tm_T> there was a time when all I knew was a basic ...
[05:08] <kubu101> ya
[05:08] <kubu101> BASIC!
[05:08] <kubu101> basica
[05:08] <kubu101> gw-basic
[05:08] <kubu101> qbasic
[05:08] <incubii> QBasic 7
[05:08] <kubu101> vbasic
[05:08] <kubu101> qb71
[05:08] <kubu101> hbasic
[05:08] <kubu101> gambas
[05:08] <kubu101> :P
[05:08] <kubu101> vb.net burk
[05:08] <kubu101> :P
[05:09] <incubii> bbc basic
[05:09] <Tm_T> !
[05:09] <incubii> realbasic
[05:09] <incubii> powerbasic
[05:09] <incubii> xbasic
[05:09] <incubii> darkbasic
[05:09] <incubii> basicbasic
[05:09] <Tm_T> 512MTX <3
[05:14] <Tm_T> !
[05:14] <kubu101> gw-basic,qbasic,vb,tpw,hbasic,gambas,c,c++,tp,perl,php,batch,bash,tcsh,python,ruby,brainfuck,ebf,verilog,vhdl,salt,mBed,javascript,java,pic/pal,parallax basic,c sharp,D,m4,sed/awk,makefile,qmake,mirc script,director6,flash, am i missing anything ;)
[05:15] <Tm_T> it's 0615 ;p
[05:15] <kubu101> 11:21
[05:16] <kubu101> toolbook, PL/SQL, Ada, Asic, VBS :P
[05:17] <kubu101> bash/ksh/csh, (does HTML/XHTML/SVG/XML/XUL/XAML counts?)
[05:20] <Tm_T> hm
[05:20] <Tm_T> there is some problem with amaroK :/
[05:21] <Tm_T> I copied ~1700 mp3/ogg ifles into my /home folder, after that amaroK doesn't start :/
[05:21] <Tm_T> err, files
[05:26] <incubii> dunno Tm_T i only have 35 oggs
[05:26] <incubii> lol
[05:28] <Tm_T> =)
[05:28] <Tm_T> oh, just got it
[05:28] <Tm_T> somehow amaroK stayed in background
[05:34] <incubii> heh
[05:35] <Tm_T> it's quite ordinary problem
[05:36] <incubii> happens to me often as i forget its loaded into desktop 2
[05:37] <Tm_T> actually it wasn't visible at all
[05:37] <Tm_T> but killall was teh tool ;)
[05:38] <incubii> heh
[05:40] <TechLord> i need some  assistance with an hdd
[05:40] <TechLord> connected over usb
[05:41] <TechLord> it's currently formated ntfs but i am unable to write to it
[05:41] <crimsun> what sort of assistance?
[05:41] <crimsun> that's correct, you can't write to it.
[05:41] <TechLord> how can i make it writable and still share with windows xp
[05:42] <TechLord> can i format hfs 
[05:42] <TechLord> and how would i do that 
[05:43] <incubii> captive ntfs
[05:45] <Tm_T> OR fat32
[05:46] <Tm_T> fat32 is most usable
[05:46] <fleabitten> any one tried to get doom3 working under kubuntu
[05:46] <Tm_T> wise guy have have one partition formatted as fat32 ;)
[05:46] <Tm_T> I don't =)
[05:47] <Rima> anyone able to get cedega to install under 64 bit version?
[05:47] <fleabitten> doom3 + kubuntu = crap
[05:47] <fleabitten> doom3 + ubuntu = sweet
[05:47] <fleabitten> anyone know why
[05:48] <incubii> well since you only provided that much information, no
[05:49] <fleabitten> anyone from AU
[05:50] <fleabitten> Syd?
[05:51] <fleabitten> im gone
[05:52] <smouche> good morning, good evening, whatever...
[05:53] <Tm_T> yes =)
[05:53] <smouche> go to bed Tm_T!
[05:53] <smouche> heh heh
[05:53] <Tm_T> actually I suppose to watch morning news in a moment
[05:53] <smouche> sun up yet in the great far north?
[05:54] <Tm_T> yes
[05:54] <Tm_T> eh, not yet but rising
[05:54] <incubii> land of the rising sun
[05:54] <incubii> lol
[05:55] <Tm_T> haha
[05:55] <Tm_T> oh yes, sun is up!
[05:56] <smouche> see, I timed that right.
[05:56] <Tm_T> and, it rained snow last evening =)
[05:56] <Tm_T> yup, summer is coming very fast ;p
[05:56] <incubii> snow
[05:56] <incubii> ive seen snow 4 times in my life
[05:57] <incubii> had to go to the snow mountains to see it
[06:15] <abinadid> hi
[06:17] <Tm_T> hullo
[06:17] <Tm_T> ehm, my nose is bleeding :)
[06:17] <abinadid> do you know xlink kai??
[06:18] <abinadid> http://www.teamxlink.co.uk/
[06:19] <Tm_T> nooooh!!!
[06:20] <abinadid> it is a software to play games on line
[06:21] <Tm_T> eh, not linux games
[06:25] <abinadid> no xbox games
[06:25] <abinadid>  or ps2 
[06:25] <abinadid> with system lynk
[06:46] <jsgotangco> Riddell, how does Kubuntu Kwick Kompendium (Guide) sound?
[06:47] <paulproteus> Man.
[06:47] <paulproteus> KKK.
[06:47] <paulproteus> That's a great way to sell it. ;)
[06:47] <jsgotangco> hehe
[06:48] <jsgotangco> Im just messing around with the docs
[06:49] <whiskers> kkathman-dinner, are you there now
[07:18] <whiskers> does anybody have limewire or gnutella working
[07:21] <delltony> question for you guys when i put in a audio cd i get the following error: when i click on play 
[07:22] <delltony> error -kscd cdrom read or access error (or no audio disc in drive) please make sure you have access permissions for media:/hdc
[07:22] <delltony> what the hell now if i click on open the thing opens can i see the tracks
[07:22] <delltony> then i can right click one at a time and copy it over then play
[07:28] <pot> what the heck is kubuntu..
[07:28] <delltony> you see that thing up top called a topic
[07:28] <delltony> read it
[07:29] <pot> just read the webpage...
[07:29] <pot> why not just make kde meta package on top of ubuntu..?
[07:29] <crimsun> there is, it's called kubuntu-desktop
[07:30] <pot> sorry, i guess i should ask why is it packaged (as a product, a distro) differently than ubuntu if it is a subset of it?
[07:31] <crimsun> afaik, no one's selling kubuntu
[07:31] <crimsun> kubuntu is a community-developed and community-supported kde distro based on ubuntu
[07:32] <crimsun> it just happens that the kde packages are also in the ubuntu repos
[07:32] <crimsun> not terribly different from say, Xfce, though it's in universe not main
[07:33] <jsgotangco> Kubuntu is a very big Riddell :)
[07:33] <crimsun> among others, yep :)
[07:37] <pot> it's just that when xfce releases packages (for debian, etc) they just release package but don't rename the main distro/create a sub-distribution..
[07:39] <jsgotangco> pot, mind you kubuntu is a community effort that uses Ubuntu as base
[07:40] <crimsun> pot: erm, then you've not heard of Xfld?
[07:40] <crimsun> e.g., Xfce+Knoppix?
[07:40] <pot> so it's more of a need for community identity, the name signifies the kinship of the people with the common interest of putting kde on ubuntu?
[07:41] <crimsun> that's one way of looking at it, though I certainly consider Kubuntu a legitimate distro
[07:42] <pot> no.. i thought it'd be cleaner if each of the window mgr\desktop env projects create barebone packages for different distributions, and integration efforts (pre-configuration in form of liveCD or meta-preconfig-distribution) exists separately
[07:43] <crimsun> arguably they already do that in source tarballs
[07:43] <crimsun> we have desktop "teams", so to speak
[07:43] <crimsun> for instance, kubuntu can also be considered a desktop team for kde on ubuntu
[07:44] <crimsun> jani and I are the desktop team for Xfce on ubuntu
[07:46] <kakalto> how's xubuntu coming along?
[07:46] <pot> i see..
[07:46] <jsgotangco> xubuntu...i'd like that
[07:46] <kakalto> me too
[07:46] <jsgotangco> now we have gubuntu, kubuntu then xubuntu
[07:47] <jsgotangco> that's gonna be a nightmare for the docteam
[07:47] <jsgotangco> hehe
[07:47] <kakalto> is the doc team called docubuntu? :P
[07:48] <pot> dubuntu, i presume..
[07:48] <jsgotangco> no its just Documentation Team
[07:48] <jsgotangco> hehe
[07:48] <kakalto> lol
[07:48] <jsgotangco> right now we're doing stuff
[07:48] <jsgotangco> Ubuntu and Kubuntu
[07:49] <jsgotangco> we expected something like this
[07:49] <jsgotangco> people calling ubuntu as Gubuntu, then Kubuntu now Xubuntu
[07:50] <kakalto> yeh
[07:50] <jsgotangco> that's why we had the documentation trunk classified
[07:50] <jsgotangco> but the problem is how to make a uniform help system
[07:50] <jsgotangco> that won't cause that much overhead
[07:50] <jsgotangco> because ubuntu uses yelp
[07:51] <jsgotangco> and kubuntu can just use konqueror
[07:51] <jsgotangco> but we're not forced to yelp anyway
[07:52] <jsgotangco> i was even messing up the Kubuntu guide as Kubuntu Kwick Kompendium (KKK)
[07:52] <kendu> hi where is i can get how to of kubuntu like ubuntuguide ?
[07:53] <kakalto> most stuff still applies, but there's a small FAQ on teh main kubuntu page
[07:54] <kakalto> main kubuntu site, rather
[08:07] <kakalto> . . . .
[08:09] <kkathman> evening/morning all
[08:10] <kakalto> g'evening
[08:20] <danikata> hi all
[08:21] <danikata> i install synaptic, but i couldnt activated it 
[09:03] <__2> kudos to kubuntu project
[09:12] <jsgotangco> you're welkome
[09:12] <spiral> hi
[09:30] <danikata> how to add debian repository in kubuntu
[09:34] <kakalto> spiral, hi.
[09:39] <spiral> kakalto: hi
[09:39] <kakalto> heheh.
[09:49] <pvh> Has anyone else had KDE stick their windows to the top of the screen?
[09:52] <kakalto> pvh, yeh, I think so
[09:52] <kakalto> permanently or momentarily?
[10:08] <pvh> kakalto: it was permanent
[10:08] <kakalto> uhh
[10:09] <pvh> then i noticed an empty, mysterious panel, which i killed and all was well once more
[10:09] <kakalto> strange
[10:09] <pvh> my kubuntu install went very badly
[10:09] <pvh> the second time i logged into my kde session, it complained about not being able to open something and crashed a few things
[10:09] <kakalto> hmm
[10:09] <kakalto> strange
[10:09] <pvh> i had to recreate my panel set from scratch. no biggie for me, but...
[10:10] <kakalto> have you tried installing ubuntu, then downloading kubuntu-desktop?
[10:10] <pvh> that's how i did it.
[10:10] <pvh> i think things are doing okay now, but i thought i'd mention it.
[10:11] <pvh> i am still trying to find some way to make konqueror's icons space out more.
[10:11] <kakalto> ohk
[10:11] <Tm_T> hullo
[10:11] <kakalto> so have you tried installing kubuntu right from the start?
[10:11] <kakalto> Tm_T, hey
[10:11] <pvh> kakalto: nope
[10:12] <kakalto> pvh, you might want to consider, depending on how buggy it is
[10:12] <kakalto> I also got ubuntu, then kubuntu-desktop, but mine's working fine
[10:13] <pvh> kakalto: i'd rather not reinstall my whole system unless things get really hairy.
[10:13] <pvh> kakalto: i'd be more likely to spend some time in the trenches with dpkg looking for something in need of reconfiguration.
[10:13] <kakalto> have you tried sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ?
[10:13] <kakalto> or is it the other way around...
[10:14] <pvh> kakalto: what would that change?
[10:15] <kakalto> is it specifically X that's screwing up, or just kde?
[10:15] <pvh> my money is on KDE, because my Gnome session is just fine
[10:15] <kakalto> hmm
[10:15] <kakalto> strange
[10:16] <pvh> I'm not too worried about it.
[10:16] <kakalto> so long as it works
[10:17] <kakalto> enough for you to do things
[10:17] <pvh> haha
[10:17] <pvh> yeah right.
[10:17] <pvh> for me, fixing it IS the point
[10:17] <kakalto> ahk.
[10:17] <kakalto> great
[10:17] <kakalto> kde just locked up
[10:18] <pvh> damn.
[10:18] <kakalto> all I can do is type
[10:18] <kakalto> here
[10:18] <pvh> kakalto: i hear there's a great kubuntu derivative called ubuntu
[10:18] <kakalto> lol
[10:18] <pvh> it's like kubuntu but it has Elf or Pixie or something instead
[10:18] <kakalto> I see that gnome doesn't work under my setup...
[10:18] <kakalto> gnome must be it :D
[10:18] <kakalto> excuse me, I gotta CTRL ALT BACKSPACE
[10:20] <Tm_T> :)
[10:20] <Tm_T> http://members.cox.net/pfiore7/nerd.jpg
[10:20] <danikata> hi all
[10:21] <culker> hi
[10:21] <kakalto> I might try IceWM soon
[10:21] <danikata> i couldnt activate synaptic (i was installed)
[10:21] <kakalto> "activate" ?
[10:21] <kakalto> you mean run?
[10:21] <kakalto> or edit repositories?
[10:22] <danikata> run
[10:24] <kakalto> what happens when you run it?
[10:25] <danikata> there is error message ... like : dpl... pango couldnt load
[10:32] <kakalto> pango...
[10:36] <danikata> and the kynaptic cannot install 
[10:36] <danikata> mozilla-firefox
[10:36] <kakalto> did you try "sudo apt-get install kynaptic" ?
[10:43] <amichai> hi can someone help me. Until a minute ago XMMS worked great, now it says make sure that your sound device is working. Kaffeine works. any ideads
[10:43] <kakalto> have you changed anything?
[10:43] <kakalto> like, any settings under XMMS?
[10:43] <amichai> kakalto: no
[10:44] <amichai> kakalto: my mp3s were skipping so i changed the buffer in arts, but then returned it to system default
[10:44] <amichai> kakalto: so i guess my answer is yes ;)
[10:44] <kakalto> maybe kaffeine is hogging the soundcard?
[10:44] <kakalto> does it just not work
[10:44] <kakalto> or skip?
[10:45] <kakalto> I assume you've installed the mp3 package?
[10:45] <amichai> kakalto: i wasnt running kaffeine before. it just doesnt work.
[10:45] <kakalto> so, the sound just suddenly stopped working?
[10:45] <amichai> kakalto: on gnome it worked, i need a special mp3 package on kde?
[10:45] <kakalto> yes
[10:45] <kakalto> give me a moment, I'll find it
[10:45] <amichai> kakalto: thanx. 
[10:46] <kakalto> "sudo apt-get install akode-mpeg"
[10:46] <kakalto> then "killall artsd" to restart sound server
[10:47] <Tm_T> hm
[10:47] <amichai> kakalto: I played an mp3 on XMMS i heard a mild skipping, so i wanted to change the buffer settings, after i did that when i tried to play the mp3 in XMMS it said that i need to make sure the sound device is configured properly. so i returned the buffer to default, and it still gave me the same error. so i tried kaffeine, and kaffeine works.
[10:47] <Tm_T> gstreamer <3
[10:48] <kakalto> amichai, are you sure it wasn't just that mp3?
[10:48] <amichai> kakalto: i'll try again
[10:48] <amichai> kakalto: ok now it works
[10:48] <kakalto> heheheh.
[10:49] <kakalto> If at first it doesn't work, kick it
[10:49] <kakalto> if that doesn't work, defenestrate it (throw it out the window)
[10:49] <amichai> kakalto: lol. btw i removed kde cos i had artsd problem, but kubuntu is an amazing job, very very nice.
[10:49] <kakalto> if that doesn't work, you've probably broken it
[10:49] <amichai> kakalto: lol
[10:49] <kakalto> :P
[10:50] <kakalto> then, absquatulate (run away very fast)
[10:50] <kakalto> so, amichai, you use gnome?
[10:51] <amichai> kakalto: i have gnome and xfce. i like gnome, got bored of it moved to xfce, like it, refused to use kde cos i didnt like it b4, then i downloaded kubuntu, and am very impressed.
[10:51] <kakalto> kubuntu is impressive.
[10:51] <kakalto> it's kde 3.4, very new
[10:51] <amichai> kakalto: last time i downloaded kde i apt-get all the necessary files, so it wasn't as cool
[10:52] <kakalto> ahh
[10:52] <amichai> kakalto: only thing is i use it in hebrew, and my splash screen flashes white interval, the english doesn't
[10:52] <amichai> and my gl screensavers dont work, even though i can play half-life on cedega
[10:53] <kakalto> yeah
[10:53] <kakalto> my GL screensavers don't work either
[10:53] <kakalto> probably a bug
[10:53] <amichai> and for those who play BZFlag. I'm one of them, when i first start its slow, until i change the graphic quality to high, and then back to experimental
[10:54] <amichai> kakalto: good to know, thought it was just me. where do i file it?
[10:54] <amichai> otherwise its all good. i installed last night at 3am, so what do i know ;)
[10:55] <kakalto> :)
[10:55] <kakalto> where to file it? see if it's filed already at either www.ubuntuforums.org or www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/
[10:56] <amichai> kakalto: i dont think i have konsole. i only have the xfce one and the gnome one
[10:56] <amichai> possible?
[10:57] <kakalto> I bet you do
[10:57] <kakalto> go into a xfce or gnome terminal
[10:57] <kakalto> then type "konsole"
[10:57] <kakalto> you'll find out soon enough :)
[10:58] <amichai> kakalto: yeah here it is. not in my menu though
[10:58] <kakalto> strange
[10:59] <kakalto> it should be under K --> System --> Konsole
[10:59] <amichai> yeah...whatever i'll add it. do u use a toolbar on the top of the screen like macos?
[10:59] <amichai> kakalto: ok there it is, right at the bottom, too many apps
[11:00] <kakalto> ah.
[11:00] <amichai> cos i want my taskbar at the top, anyway of doing that?
[11:01] <kakalto> taskbar at the top?
[11:01] <kakalto> it's not there already?
[11:01] <kakalto> under which, kde? gnome? xfce?
[11:02] <amichai> kakalto: kde
[11:02] <amichai> kakalto: if u know xfce i want it to look like that.
[11:03] <kakalto> like, taskbar & stuff at bottom, k menu & links at top?
[11:03] <amichai> kakalto: the opposite
[11:03] <kakalto> ah
[11:03] <kakalto> Right click on any bar, go configure
[11:04] <kakalto> if you want another panel, right-click, go "add to panel", "panel" then universal sidebar
[11:04] <amichai> kakalto: how do i move it to the top?
[11:05] <kakalto> in the configure thing, there should be a bunch of rectangles under "position"
[11:05] <kakalto> on the "arrangement" tab
[11:06] <amichai> kakalto: ok this screwed it all up. all my windows are stuck to the top
[11:06] <kakalto> see where it says "Settings for: " then it has a drop-down menu?
[11:07] <kakalto> that's how you select different menu bars
[11:07] <kakalto> then change the position of each
[11:11] <kakalto> WOOPS
[11:11] <kakalto> I was meant to go to music practice like 2 hours ago :S
[11:11] <kakalto> aww crap
[11:13] <kakalto> not cool
[11:13] <kakalto> me naughty
[11:14] <amichai> kakalto: ok i did it. not universal. universal screwed it all up was weird. i just added a regular bar which only contains the taskbar. sweet.
[11:14] <Chameleon22> does anyone know of any gui client to connect to a remote vpn via ipsec (shared secrets)
[11:14] <kakalto> ohk
[11:14] <amichai> kakalto: lol
[11:14] <amichai> kakalto: what should universal do?
[11:15] <kakalto> it means you can add anything to it
[11:15] <kakalto> it's what I use
[11:15] <kakalto> so I have my taskbar, the time, desktop switching
[11:15] <amichai> kakalto: u have it at the top?
[11:15] <kakalto> and the rubbish bin
[11:15] <kakalto> nah, bottom
[11:15] <kakalto> Chameleon22, try googling it
[11:16] <amichai> kakalto: whats the difference? u can add whatever u want to the regular one. or u mean by dragging?
[11:16] <kakalto> I'm not sure
[11:16] <Chameleon22> kakalto: i tried
[11:16] <kakalto> I can drag this bar all over the place
[11:16] <Chameleon22> wouldnt ask 
[11:16] <kakalto> Chameleon22, try #ubuntu
[11:17] <amichai> kakalto: ah ok. i gtg. thanx for the help. take care.
[11:20] <Chameleon22> kakalto: how about you just say "i dont know" or keep silent rather then hand balling people around, people like you give linux a myth of bad support
[11:22] <kakalto> the thing is, I don't know, so I suggest google, since that's what always helps me. often, I forget about google, and others say it, and it's useful. I think you're not appreciating that I'm trying to help
[11:22] <kakalto> atleast I gave it a go
[11:22] <kakalto> did #ubuntu help, for that matter?
[11:22] <Chameleon22> kakalto: you have, just bit stressed 
[11:22] <Chameleon22> kakalto: nah :(
[11:23] <kakalto> okay
[11:23] <kakalto> do you have a text-based version of it?
[11:24] <Chameleon22> no
[11:25] <kakalto> ohk
[11:25] <Chameleon22> :/
[11:27] <kakalto> not good
[11:27] <Chameleon22> not at  all
[11:29] <Quinn_Storm> Chameleon22: what are you trying to get help with?
[11:30] <Chameleon22> Quinn_Storm: i need to be able to connect from kubuntu to checkpoint via a vpn using shared secret rather then certificates and freeswan is giving me the shits 
[11:31] <Quinn_Storm> Chameleon22: wow, that's way over my head unfortunately, I wish I could help
[11:31] <Chameleon22> Quinn_Storm: no problem mate :)
[11:40] <membreya> hmm VLC is segfaulting when I'm trying to play a DVD :|
[11:40] <membreya> oh well, kaffeine works
[11:40] <kakalto> heheh.
[11:40] <kakalto> VLC is strange anyway
[11:41] <kakalto> g'night all
[11:41] <membreya> it grabs the CSS keys then segfaults
[11:41] <membreya> meh..amd64 running breezy..what do I expect :P
[11:44] <membreya> speaking of AMD64..has anyone managed to successfuly get OO.o2 running on an amd64?
[11:46] <Quinn_Storm> btw, quick little warning though people probably already know this...don't install amd64-libs-dev on a non-amd64 system, it diverts all the i386 headers away so that nothing will compile right
[11:47] <Tm_T> Hi membreya o/
[11:47] <membreya> hiya Tm_T \o/
[11:47] <membreya> lol Quinn_Storm 
[11:47] <membreya> find out the hard way
[11:47] <Tm_T> Quinn_Storm: oh I was just doing it! ;p
[11:47] <membreya> going to try and grab the source for oo.o2 and see if i can't compile it :|
[11:48] <Tm_T> heh
[11:48] <Quinn_Storm> membreya: yep -.- though I made some scripts and un-diverted stuff (the amd64-libs-dev package was not-installed but the diversions were b/c it errored out halfway through install)
[11:48] <membreya> mind you running breezy..so gcc4
[11:48] <Tm_T> membreya: LFS ;)
[11:48] <membreya> LFS?
[11:48] <Quinn_Storm> membreya: you can use gcc3...I forget how...possibly setting CC and CPP env vars?
[11:48] <Tm_T> Linux From Scratch
[11:48] <membreya> oh ok Tm_T ;)
[11:49] <membreya> damnit, I'm probably going to have to --prefix this fucker..erm ..package :)
[11:49] <Tm_T> membreya: DYI OS ;)
[11:49] <membreya> Tm_T: sounds like gentoo to me :P
[11:49] <membreya> DYI? Drive Yourself Insane? :P
[11:50] <membreya> damn you oo.o
[11:50] <membreya> it gives the file as a .tar.gz..then all it contains are .rpms!
[11:50] <membreya> WTF is with that
[11:52] <Quinn_Storm> oo.o sucks...I wish it wasn't the only office suite out there...koffice is just...bleh by comparison
[11:55] <Quinn_Storm> btw if you are gonna compile oo.o, make sure you have like 4gb scratch space available...according to the freebsd ports file it needs that much
[11:55] <Tm_T> I'm glad I can always use nano ;)
[11:56] <Quinn_Storm> heh my first editor on linux was pico...eventually I took the vim plunge
[12:00] <_-InMa-_> buenos dias, bon dia, good morning!
[12:03] <_cure> Guten Tag
[12:11] <CellarDoor> hey all
[12:41] <spiral> hi
[12:51] <ice_1963> hello =)
[12:52] <ice_1963> hi tux
[12:53] <ice_1963> have a good day :)
[01:03] <March-RX8> hello
[01:04] <March-RX8> could someone tell me how to read from ntfs with ubuntu?
[01:41] <Tm_T> smouche: hullo
[01:58] <smouche> Hi Tm_T
[01:58] <smouche> good morning, er, afternoon
[01:59] <smouche> How are you, Tm_T --get any sleep?
[01:59] <smouche> see yas later
[02:01] <Tm_T> :p
[02:02] <Tm_T> sleep, what's that?
[02:06] <danimo> heya
[02:27] <_nicolai> how do you add a panel to the kicker, say"games"
[02:31] <vestlink> exit
[02:34] <Chameleon22> does anyone know of any GUI app I could use to connect to checkpoint vpn using shared secrets rather then certificates? or anything really besides open swan.
[02:39] <fish> hello
[02:40] <fish> I'm thinking about switching from Suse to Kubuntu...can I ask some questions here or is the forum the better place?
[02:42] <fish> hm, maybe the forum is the better place, eh? lol
[02:43] <ubuntu> hi
[02:49] <fish> hm
[02:51] <Riddell> fish: you can ask here
[02:51] <Tm_T> but all I gonna say is: "what? SUSE? you mean sushi?" ;p
[02:51] <fish> haha...okay
[02:52] <Tm_T> eh eh
[02:52] <skaman> hey guys do somone remember how can i set the double clik on files?
[02:52] <skaman> is a stupid thing...but i can't find it!
[02:52] <Tm_T> skaman: kcontrol -> 
[02:52] <skaman> i know is somewhere there...but where!
[02:53] <skaman> i'm getting mad
[02:53] <skaman> :S
[02:53] <Tm_T> peripherals -> mouse
[02:53] <Tm_T> just in the middle there
[02:54] <fish> well I'm on Suse 9.1. now...and I used apt4suse and synaptic, it's quite good like this...so far I could upgrade to a new KDE version very easily by just clicking on the packages in synaptic...always worked without any problems...so when I switch to Kubuntu, can I still do this? I'm a bit confused about the release periods...you say every 6 months...do I have to wait for 6 months then until I can upgrade to a new KDE or what? if yes, will I run
[02:55] <skaman> omg thanks!!!!
[02:55] <skaman> :S
[02:56] <skaman> fish:every 6 months there's a new release not software upgrades
[02:57] <suistar> hi
[02:57] <fish> oh I see...so when ther is a new KDE, there will be new Ubuntu packes and you can easily upgrade to it with synaptic or with apt-get?
[02:58] <suistar> i've downloaded the kubuntu live cd.. its booting and loading until i have a white screen with a mouse, and then cd and hdd stop loading :/
[02:59] <skaman> fish:yes that's correct
[03:00] <skaman> suistar:try this boot cmd: "failsafe"
[03:00] <neom_> Whats the apt get command to update the system?
[03:01] <neom_> apt-get dis upgrade && something?
[03:01] <neom_> I froget. :(
[03:01] <fish> hm...what kind of packages does Kubuntu offer then? I mean...where can I check if e.g. oddcast is included? well if it's as easy to upgrade as on Suse with apt4rpm I will switch to Kubuntu...right now...
[03:01] <suistar> failsafe, what does it do
[03:01] <suistar> sorry
[03:02] <suistar> <- beginner
[03:02] <suistar> :)
[03:02] <paulproteus> apt-get dist-upgade
[03:02] <paulproteus> neom_: You must run "apt-get update" first; that updates the local idea of what packages are available.
[03:02] <Tm_T> apt <3
[03:02] <skaman> suistar:failsafe probably will the live cd work
[03:03] <skaman> is a fail safe boot :P
[03:03] <Riddell> fish: kubuntu has native apt so it has everything apt4rpm has and better
[03:03] <suistar> okay i will try it 
[03:03] <skaman> guys how to configure grub?
[03:03] <fish> Riddell: of course but wouldn't that be mixing Debian debs with Kubuntu debs? will there be problems?
[03:04] <Riddell> fish: there's no reason to mix debian and kubuntu debs
[03:04] <Riddell> kubuntu has everyhting debian has and more
[03:06] <segfault2k> hi
[03:06] <fish> Riddell: so *all* the packages are ported to kubuntu?! every 6 months? or when do you offer new packages? let's say there is a new KDE...then there will be new Ubuntu debs in what time? Suse has them up really fast...I'm a bit confused about this...it's what keeps me from switching
[03:07] <Riddell> so far we have a 100% sucess rate at having KDE packages in on the day or KDE release
[03:08] <fish> wow...ok...made my day...bye bye suse...backing up my music now and then it's gone....
[03:09] <skaman> good choice
[03:09] <skaman> why pay 4 suse if u could have ubuntu for free?
[03:12] <Riddell> suse is also available at no cost for download
[03:12] <fish> true
[03:13] <skaman> yes but is not the professional one
[03:13] <skaman> and anyway suse is a "particular linuxdistro"
[03:14] <skaman> i used for 3 years
[03:15] <fish> I think suse is ok...never had any problems...but they begin to do silly things now
[03:16] <fish> real payed them some money...obviously
[03:17] <fish> (15:12:18) skaman: yes but is not the professional one  <---- not true...there is only a prof. version and it's available for download (no personal version anymore)
[03:18] <_bofh> Hi all
[03:19] <fish> oh...can I keep my /home when I switch to Kubuntu? how?
[03:20] <_bofh> KDE on ubuntu rocks.
[03:22] <Riddell> fish: if it's on a different partition yes
[03:22] <fish> ok...good...it is :-)
[03:23] <fish> well that's all I wanted to know...Kubuntu has a new user very soon...thanks for infos!! have a good day...byee! :-)
[04:00] <segfault2k> Lastest version :  0.9.1 2005/04/13  
[04:00] <segfault2k> fuck
[04:00] <segfault2k> XD
[04:00] <texel> Hello guys (& gals.) I have my iptables script that I had with my old Red Hat box and after some changes I'm ready to put it here. Where should I put this script in kubuntu?
[04:00] <segfault2k> http://200.104.79.16/~segfault/kbg.jpg <- how is the bg?
[04:02] <malte> nice, but why do you have such large icons? :)
[04:02] <segfault2k> dunno XD
[04:12] <Tm_T> ok, this is not great, I need to edit amaroK source :p
[04:14] <malte> why?
[04:17] <Tm_T> only way to have player window and playlist window into separate desktops :p
[04:18] <Tm_T> I only need to figure out what I have to change
[04:36] <segfault2k> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=23228
[04:37] <Tm_T> ok, fist of all, why not give multiple sizes OR huge size
[04:41] <segfault2k> is a big size :S
[04:42] <Tm_T> I like to use 1600x1200 =)
[04:42] <Tm_T> it's easier resize smaller than bigger
[04:43] <Tm_T> I mean, quality
[04:45] <segfault2k> ok :D
[04:47] <Tm_T> some use 1600x1200 reso in their desktop, those rich bastards
[04:47] <segfault2k> hahah
[04:47] <segfault2k> XD
[04:48] <malte> segfault2k, is it done in svg?
[04:48] <Tm_T> segfault2k: me too, 'cause have only old hot 17" crt :/
[04:49] <segfault2k> malte: yup'
[04:49] <Tm_T> so then that too
[04:52] <malte> segfault2k, include the svg then, kde can display that
[04:52] <segfault2k> yeah
[04:52] <segfault2k> im uploading
[04:52] <segfault2k> malte: svg in 1600x1200 ?
[04:53] <Tm_T> err
[04:53] <Tm_T> doesn't matter really?
[04:53] <malte> sure :)
[04:54] <Tm_T> if it's truly scalable
[04:54] <malte> of course it is - it's svg :)
[04:55] <Tm_T> eh, you can do it so many ways :p
[05:15] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> onder why you cant mix kubuntu pkg's with reg deb 's
[05:15] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> wonder
[05:15] <_zao> who tried opera 8 final?
[05:16] <segfault2k> why if is exists konqueror :D
[05:26] <malte> JuNkPhreak|UnIx, it's not recommended
[05:26] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> well just wondered
[05:26] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> like the distro just dosnt ahve all the repos yet i need :{
[05:27] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> unless you guys/gals know of any more i can add than the ubuntu guide page
[05:29] <malte> JuNkPhreak|UnIx, do you have multiverse/universe?
[05:29] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> i use them all
[05:29] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> just didnt have all the pkg's yet im use to
[05:30] <malte> i think (k)ubuntu should have all that debian has
[05:30] <malte> what are you looking for?
[05:30] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> so i will wait while longer , just wondering why they are using diff pkg's than debian i would think they would be the same
[05:31] <malte> okay
[05:31] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> maybe they will change to uni pkg's :}
[05:33] <segfault2k> wow, the new kubuntu theme for splashy really rocks :P
[05:34] <paulproteus> New, like in Hoary, or New, like in Breezy?
[05:34] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> yea i know :{
[05:35] <kkathman> morning all :)
[05:36] <segfault2k> paulproteus: im creating the new theme
[05:36] <segfault2k> XD
[05:38] <paulproteus> segfault2k: Oh, cool. :)
[05:50] <_zao> what is it that some (QT) programs donnot remember their own size??
[06:02] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> Hmm with more reading i think i might try this distro once more , i think my repos where not done correctly 
[06:03] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> i need mostly codecs /win32 etc.... and kmplayer, and vlc + plugins
[06:04] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> not much of anything else
[06:05] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> the dep's kill me if i get the pkg's by them selves
[06:08] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> is this horay ?
[06:09] <Tm_T> horay for boobies?
[06:09] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> lol
[06:10] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> well they talk of horay or warty im reading on howto for repos
[06:10] <segfault2k> hi! 
[06:10] <Tm_T> hoary?
[06:10] <Tm_T> :p
[06:10] <segfault2k> http://ktown.kde.cl/~segfault/splashy/
[06:11] <segfault2k> http://ktown.kde.cl/~segfault/splashy/kubuntusplashy/
[06:11] <segfault2k> =D
[06:11] <segfault2k> is finished :D
[06:16] <Choubaka> Meh.
[06:16] <Choubaka> I want one for regular Ubuntu too --;
[06:17] <Choubaka> But I can't use GIMP. my computer locks up if I try.
[06:17] <Choubaka> Oops. There is oen
[06:17] <Choubaka> Should've read the site first.
[06:18] <segfault2k> Choubaka:  :P
[06:18] <Choubaka> But hmm
[06:18] <Choubaka> How do I use splashy? :p
[06:19] <segfault2k> http://wiki.nanofreesoft.org/index.php/Splashy
[06:20] <Choubaka> kernel patching required I assume
[06:20] <Choubaka> again, read the site... 
[06:20] <kkathman> morning Choubaka  :)
[06:21] <segfault2k> Choubaka: that is the idea of splashy, no patching required
[06:21] <Choubaka> kkathman: not morning here 
[06:21] <Choubaka> :)
[06:21] <kkathman> well ok...good day, afternoon, evening :)
[06:21] <kkathman> that oughta cover it :)
[06:27] <berickson> Anyone here when they are going to fix the Control Center Password issue so we dont have the use the kcmshell workaround?
[06:30] <Choubaka> Hm, I have to install Grub to make splashy work? ;/
[06:32] <skaman> hey anyone knows wich plugin can i use with Firefox?(better if i can get it via apt-get)
[06:32] <skaman> java plugin pardon :D
[06:33] <Choubaka> ahaa.
[06:33] <Choubaka> just install sun's .bin using java-package
[06:34] <skaman> nothing apt-gettable
[06:34] <skaman> ??
[06:35] <texel> skaman: http://neacm.fe.up.pt/pub/ubuntu-java/binary/sun-j2sdk1.5.0_01-2_i386.deb
[06:36] <skaman> thnx
[06:36] <skaman> this works  well?
[06:36] <skaman> wow 63 mbO_o
[06:51] <malte> segfault2k, nice splashy theme
[06:51] <segfault2k> thanks
[06:55] <texel> skaman: please note that I don't really know where that Java package came, OK?
[07:03] <hussam> I just switched from Fedora to kubuntu, so far so good but I have one question. what apt repositories to I need to set to get updates? everything in sources.list is commented.
[07:04] <Tm_T> hussam: uncomment all repos :)
[07:05] <hussam> ok I did that. does kubuntu release security updates frequently? can I rely on that?
[07:06] <Foodcoman> Check out http://www.ubuntuguide.org for howto's on Repo's
[07:08] <hussam> Foodcoman: thanks for the guide. I'm reading it now.
[07:10] <Tm_T> hussam: yes, there's security updates, ofcourse
[07:11] <hussam> Tm_T: ok thank, security is that most important thing of course. :)
[07:13] <Foodcoman> hussam: NP
[07:14] <Tm_T> heh
[07:14] <Tm_T> I just teached my sister to irc =)
[07:15] <Foodcoman> Keep the Peds... away from her.
[07:15] <Tm_T> peds?
[07:15] <Tm_T> ah!
[07:16] <Foodcoman> Yeah the perverts.
[07:16] <Tm_T> she's 27 and married with a big guy, no need to afraid that =)
[07:16] <Foodcoman> I wont let my kids in chat.... Oh hahahahaha.
[07:16] <Foodcoman> Woops
[07:16] <whiskers> kkathman, are you here today
[07:16] <hussam> will we be updated to kde 3.4.1 once its out? 
[07:16] <Tm_T> hm
[07:17] <Tm_T> maybe marillat got it
[07:17] <Fhigo> sup :)
[07:17] <KaiL_> hussam: will kde 3.4.1 come soon?
[07:18] <Fhigo> its still 3.4.0?
[07:18] <KaiL_> yes
[07:18] <Foodcoman> How would one check the version on their workstation?
[07:19] <hussam> not sure but I know many people were complaining about kde 3.4  so I think the kde devs will rush kde 3.4.1 a bit
[07:19] <Foodcoman> winver   <---Joking dont kick me out please.
[07:19] <texel> Foodcoman: In any application, Help -> About KDE
[07:19] <Foodcoman> 3.4.0
[07:20] <KaiL_> hussam: I know many people saying, 3.4.0 is great
[07:20] <Foodcoman> I just hate the password issue in Control Center.
[07:20] <zAo^> what is a nice font for whole KDE?
[07:21] <texel> zAo^: FreeSans
[07:21] <zAo^> thnx
[07:21] <hussam> KaiL_: kuser and kopete won't work on all distributions.
[07:21] <hussam> KaiL_: or at least not properly
[07:21] <KaiL_> here kopete wirks 
[07:21] <KaiL_> works..
[07:22] <texel> skaman: got any luck with Java?
[07:22] <KaiL_> not worse than with 3.3 at least (kopete always was very unstable)
[07:22] <KaiL_> kuser works too
[07:23] <hussam> KaiL_: it does yes, but on some other distributions it doesn't
[07:23] <KaiL_> maybe a problem with that distribution?
[07:23] <Tm_T> zAo^: use bitstream vera sans mono ;)
[07:23] <hussam> KaiL_: probably so
[07:24] <Tm_T> bitstream is ok
[07:24] <hussam> I think we will get kde 3.4.1 read this http://dot.kde.org/1113894130/1113910991/1113913787/1113915020/
[07:27] <Fhigo> i'm lovin it :)
[07:28] <Fhigo> i'm goin to install kubuntu on my ibook now :)
[07:29] <hussam> Fhigo: it's really good, I just installed kubuntu less that an hour ago and it's working perfectly.
[07:31] <Fhigo> yeah
[07:31] <Fhigo> same here.. I'm already using it since 5 days or somethin like that :)
[07:31] <kkathman> whiskers:  are you around?
[07:33] <kkathman> Hey Tm_T !
[07:33] <hussam> the only thing I can't seem to do is run the tv card. I ran as root modprobe saa7134 but it still won't work. anybody has any ideas? 
[07:34] <hussam> It used to work in fedora using same kernel version 2.6.10
[07:35] <hussam> any ideas?
[07:36] <Tm_T> kkathman: hullo
[07:36] <kkathman> Tm_T:  Could you help me a little with a compile...I got a ton of these files and have no idea what to do...I know you do a configure, make and make install, but at what level and where?
[07:36] <kkathman> Tm_T: I am installing the build-essential, libglib stuff right now
[07:37] <Tm_T> hmm
[07:39] <kkathman> Tm_T: I downloaded all the gimshop stuff, and it is now in a directory set, there are alot of files there and Im not sure what I need to do, the README really didnt say
[07:39] <Tm_T> just run ./configure && make && make install in rootfolder of gimshop
[07:39] <Foodcoman> Anyone have a compelling argument as to why one would choose firestarter vs Shorewall?
[07:39] <kkathman> Tm_T: I also believe I have to deinstall gimp
[07:40] <Tm_T> kkathman: eh?
[07:40] <Tm_T> kkathman: why?
[07:40] <Tm_T> Ithought gimpshop is only "theme" for gimp
[07:41] <kkathman> uhmm no its a total redo of the menus etc
[07:42] <kkathman> I was looking for whiskers as he has already done this, but I believe he's away for the moment
[07:49] <kkathman> ls -l
[07:49] <kkathman> oops wrong window
[07:50] <Tm_T> :)
[07:50] <kkathman> Tm_T: whats this mean:   XML::Parser perl module is required for intltool?
[07:50] <kkathman> what do I need to install?
[07:52] <kkathman> ahhh I think I found it
[07:58] <\sh> guys...in kontact there is this "journal" feature..
[07:59] <\sh> how does it work for uploading journal entries to the web? which engines are supported?
[08:05] <hussam> I found  a linux-image 2.6.11 on kynaptic. should I install it?
[08:06] <hussam> ?
[08:08] <whiskers> kkathman are you there
[08:13] <gimmyabreak> Hello
[08:13] <Tm_T> hussam: if you like :)
[08:13] <Tm_T> hullo
[08:14] <gimmyabreak> how you doing
[08:15] <Tm_T> fine thanks
[08:16] <gimmyabreak> please excuse me i am brand new to the world of linux :-) but can i get some support on this channel
[08:16] <Olliander> Greetings to all Kubuntu-Users! :-)
[08:16] <March-RX8> hello
[08:16] <texel> Olliander: kgreetings!
[08:16] <gimmyabreak> hello
[08:16] <March-RX8> does anyone know where to config grub?
[08:17] <gimmyabreak> I AM NOT ALONE
[08:17] <Olliander> I'm really surprised how fast the Ubuntu&Kubuntu-Community is growing up... *g*
[08:18] <March-RX8> it' s one of the best linux developed
[08:18] <Foodcoman> I just migrated over from Mandrivel to Kubuntu/Ubuntu
[08:18] <gimmyabreak> The company that i work for is migrating from Windows to Ubuntu in the next few month LOL
[08:18] <buz> i'm looking for a way to downgrade breezy to hoary
[08:18] <buz> printing doesn't work in breezy
[08:18] <March-RX8> i prefer kubuntu than ubuntu
[08:18] <AndreH> hi, I installed kubuntu a few hours ago and configured nearly anything in kde yet. then I want to configure something in kde control center using root (I have to type in my password)
[08:18] <AndreH> that is still working fine
[08:19] <AndreH> but after a reboot, I am not able to configure in root mode
[08:19] <Olliander> Why are you preferring Kubuntu, March-RX8?
[08:19] <AndreH> there is no error message
[08:19] <Foodcoman> AndreH: Know issue
[08:19] <March-RX8> i find kde easier to use
[08:19] <AndreH> Foodcoman: so what to do?
[08:19] <buz> AndreH: try setting a root passwd with sudo passwd
[08:19] <AndreH> ok I'll do
[08:19] <March-RX8> it was the same when i used rh and mdk
[08:19] <buz> then you get a real root account
[08:20] <Olliander> Mhm! OK, but I think Gnome is more efficient...
[08:20] <gimmyabreak> I also installed Kubuntu today and root is still working fine on mine. Although my touchpad aint
[08:20] <texel> AndreH: better yet, in a terminal run kdesu kcontrol
[08:20] <Foodcoman> AndreH: http://opensource.weblogsinc.com/entry/1234000960039742
[08:21] <AndreH> ah thank you
[08:21] <March-RX8> i used ubuntu for a short period, and i dint know where to go to configure etc, i always used kde then i choosed kubuntu
[08:22] <March-RX8> anyway it seems to give me some problems
[08:22] <gimmyabreak> i think it is better then ubuntu but i still need to get the hang of the new GUI
[08:22] <Olliander> Mmmh, the fact with the configuration is most the reason why users prefer KDE-based desktops... *g*
[08:23] <March-RX8> do you know where to change the number of colours?
[08:23] <hussam> does kubuntu release each kernel when it's out? I'm asking because I found both 2.6.10 and 2.6.11 on kynaptic
[08:24] <March-RX8> you can upgrade kernel hussam
[08:24] <March-RX8> and i suggest you to download and install synaptic because it's more powerful
[08:25] <kkathman> I personally dont trust synaptic...so I do all my apt-get's manually
[08:25] <March-RX8> what about dependence?
[08:25] <gimmyabreak> can you use synaptic to install any package
[08:26] <kkathman> no difference actually, a pkg is a pkg
[08:26] <kkathman> synaptic is just a gui for apt anyway
[08:26] <kkathman> its really good for seeing what you have installed tho
[08:28] <March-RX8> yes, but using synaptic or kynaptic you dont have to search all the dep by yourself
[08:28] <whiskers> kkathman, i see you are back...ok...in the news...skype says they will allow large file transfers...so there is a solution
[08:28] <kkathman> whiskers: I am compiling as we speak...hopefullly it will work :)
[08:28] <whiskers> kkathman, but from what i hear you have learned how to find out what is missing and you have learned how to go get it
[08:29] <whiskers> kkathman, so as i think about it...you have found the better solution
[08:29] <kkathman> whiskers: there were a few dependencies but I found those as I did the configure
[08:29] <whiskers> kkathman, that is right....just keep tracking them down
[08:29] <amiroff> guys, is there a setting that makes menu letters not underline hotkey ?
[08:29] <kkathman> whiskers: I did
[08:30] <whiskers> kkathman, most are easy...but gimpshop was a little difficult....f4lm was quite difficult...and transcode was the most difficult so far
[08:31] <March-RX8> could someone help me? where i can go to change boot sequence in grub?
[08:32] <kkathman> whiskers: well it wasnt difficult, per se, but took several iterations of ./configure to get all the dependencies...did you uninstall gimp before or after your make?
[08:33] <Foodcoman> March-RX8: /bootgrub/menu.lst
[08:33] <Foodcoman> March-RX8: /boot/grub/menu.lst
[08:33] <March-RX8> thanks you so much
[08:34] <whiskers> kkathman, no..if you get a successful compile with no errors...then try make install and fire it up
[08:34] <kkathman> whiskers: ok kewl
[08:34] <kkathman> whiskers: its a bit of a long make isnt it?
[08:35] <whiskers> kkathman, yes that one takes a while.
[08:35] <whiskers> kkathman, it is quite a bit of code
[08:35] <kkathman> whiskers: apparently....did your's make on the first try?
[08:35] <whiskers> kkathman, they seldom make on the first try...except the easy ones
[08:36] <whiskers> kkathman, so you have to pay attention to the errors and track down what causes them to fail
[08:36] <kkathman> whiskers: thats comforting
[08:36] <March-RX8> and how can i say it that i would have winzoz has predefinite?
[08:36] <kkathman> whiskers: will the errors be at the end?
[08:36] <amiroff> any KDE gurus here? please...
[08:37] <whiskers> kkathman, yes...if there are errors...the compilation will break...and you will be notified of the errors causing it to break
[08:37] <kkathman> amiroff: whats the question?
[08:37] <kkathman> whiskers: ahh ok
[08:37] <whiskers> kkathman, sometimes they are out of date libraries....bad headers, etc
[08:37] <kkathman> whiskers: its been going for a good 15 minutes and no breaks yets
[08:38] <whiskers> kkathman, yes well...the longer you go with no error the better chance you have of getting the job done
[08:40] <kkathman> whiskers: its done...I dont see anything that says "error"
[08:41] <kkathman> whiskers: I see alot of these..Entering directory....nothing to be done for 'all'...etc
[08:41] <kkathman> whiskers: then leaving directory
[08:41] <whiskers> kkathman, that means that section has already compiled what was in it
[08:42] <kkathman> whiskers: well I guess I'll try the make install now
[08:42] <whiskers> kkathman, did you get to the end of the compilation with no errors
[08:42] <amiroff> kkathman: I want to make my menus not to underline the hotkey, is there a way yto do that?
[08:43] <kkathman> well sudo make install I mean
[08:43] <whiskers> kkathman, yes i guess you could do that....i just find it easier to be root most of the time
[08:43] <kkathman> amiroff..hmm
[08:44] <kkathman> amiroff: I dont think there is a setting for that, but look in the control center anyway
[08:44] <amiroff> kkathman: believe me, I've looked everywhere
[08:44] <amiroff> it just makes menus less readble for me :(
[08:44] <kkathman> whiskers: done...now do I execute gimpshop or gimp ?
[08:45] <whiskers> kkathman, go to your menu and click on gimp but watch what comes up
[08:45] <kkathman> ah ha!!
[08:47] <whiskers> kkathman, now depending on how you set up your configure options...gimpshop may be in /usr/local/bin or /usr/bin...depending on what parameters you gave configure
[08:47] <kkathman> ahhh this is much more intuitive
[08:47] <whiskers> kkathman, but what do you do with that program?
[08:48] <kkathman> with gimp?
[08:49] <kkathman> whiskers: its in /usr/bin
[08:49] <whiskers> kkathman, well i see no real use for it...except the scanning feature and the printing feature
[08:49] <kkathman> whiskers: well I hope to use it as a pseudo replacement for PS7 or PSP
[08:49] <whiskers> kkathman, yes ok...if you want that to be the case...generallly ./configure  --prefix=/usr --exec-prefix=/usr    will take care of that part
[08:50] <kkathman> well I just executed the menu option and it worked
[08:50] <whiskers> kkathman, well i don't know about that expensive stuff...or what they do with it....but this has some basics for scanning in documents and printing them
[08:50] <kkathman> whiskers: I assume that the default is /usr/bin cuz all I did was ./configure
[08:51] <whiskers> kkathman, no..the default for many years has been /usr/local/bin....unless they changed it
[08:52] <whiskers> kkathman, it was designed that way to keep people from screwing up their system while they experimented on their code
[08:53] <kkathman> whiskers: ahh ok
[08:53] <kkathman> hmm Im trying to type a text, and change the color to something, and its not letting me :(
[08:54] <whiskers> kkathman, well let me see here
[08:55] <whiskers> how do you type a text.
[08:55] <whiskers> kkathman, do you open a new document and click on a text button or something
[08:55] <kkathman> whiskers: bring up a new image, then click on the text ("T")
[08:57] <kkathman> whiskers: File -> New
[08:57] <brainkilla> kaffeine 0.6 crashes on me
[08:57] <kkathman> never mind I found it ;)
[08:57] <kkathman> duh
[08:57] <brainkilla> anyone with the similar experience?
[08:57] <chx_> base config fell into an infinite loop restartin' KDM
[08:57] <chx_> I thought I stopped it
[08:57] <whiskers> kkathman, ok...i got a new image and i pushed the text box...but it is greyed out and says create path from text
[08:58] <chx_> two days later when a whiptail process was silently eating 58% CPU I realized it sits there and eats the system.
[08:58] <chx_> now I properly killed it.
[08:58] <brainkilla> chx_: happens to me with kaffeine ;)
[08:59] <chx_> next problem. this is tough.
[08:59] <kkathman> whiskers: I got it :)
[08:59] <chx_> somehow I created a (much) smaller FS than the partition it sits in
[09:00] <chx_> how could I fix this? It's irritating to have 70+ gigs of HDD sitting around unusable.
[09:00] <whiskers> kkathman, don't ask me how to use that stuff..but if you go to the tools menu there is some stuff...
[09:01] <kkathman> whiskers: I got it ok now...wow this is like SOOOOOOOOOO much better
[09:01] <kkathman> whiskers: Its no replacement for photoshop, but at least its more intuitive
[09:01] <brainkilla> chx_: mke2fs is your tool
[09:02] <chx_> brainkilla: I suspected that. 
[09:02] <chx_> but how?
[09:02] <chx_> mke2fs expects a device.
[09:03] <brainkilla> and the empty space you have is unpartitioned?
[09:03] <chx_> according to fdisk /dev/hdb1 is around 80 gigs, according to df it is less than 10 gigs.
[09:03] <chx_> I know how I created this mess
[09:03] <chx_> this was supposed to be a backup HDD
[09:03] <chx_> I dd'd a partition onto it
[09:04] <chx_> but come Saturday, my primary HDD grew bad sectors
[09:04] <chx_> and I installed Kubuntu in a haste
[09:04] <chx_> now, I forgot to delete the backup partition
[09:04] <chx_> and installed Kubuntu into it
[09:04] <chx_> I do not wish to do an install again
[09:05] <koivunej> how easy it is to install xfce alongside kubuntu 5.04?
[09:05] <uniq> very.
[09:05] <uniq> it's basically just installing the packages.. and choose xfce from the login-manager. (session)
[09:06] <koivunej> uniq: just apt-get install xcfe and it will appear in the login manager?
[09:06] <kkathman> Tm_T: are you around?
[09:06] <chx_> koivunej: you may not need even Kubuntu, Ubuntu will do.
[09:06] <uniq> koivunej: yes.
[09:06] <koivunej> thanks
[09:06] <brainkilla> chx_: so run fdisk, and try to create a /dev/hdb2 with it
[09:06] <chx_> brainkilla: but /dev/hdb1 spans the whole disk!!
[09:07] <chx_> brainkilla: on the partition level. the FS is smaller...
[09:07] <brainkilla> oh, now I get what you've done...
[09:08] <chx_> brainkilla: I shot myself in the foot.
[09:08] <brainkilla> yeah, seems like ti ;)
[09:09] <chx_> I do not really dare to grab sfdisk and change the hdb1 size.
[09:09] <brainkilla> try that
[09:09] <chx_> I do not dare
[09:09] <brainkilla> all you can do is fuck up the partition table ;)
[09:09] <chx_> I am doing this business since 13 years
[09:09] <koivunej> damn i guess i need to stop this session in order to make kdm to reload available session typeS?
[09:10] <brainkilla> that's what I did 6 months ago
[09:10] <chx_> I mean, partitions, filesystems and such. But now, I am without a backup for the first time and I do not dare...
[09:10] <uniq> koivunej: probably.
[09:10] <uniq> chx_: you
[09:10] <brainkilla> then I installed ubuntu 
[09:10] <brainkilla> :)
[09:10] <uniq> err.. you've made a huge partition.. and a small filesystem on it? 
[09:10] <chx_> uniq: yes.
[09:10] <uniq> ext3? 
[09:11] <chx_> yes
[09:11] <chx_> now I resize the FS (noooooooooooooo) or resize the partition (maybe... is there a safe way to do it?)
[09:11] <uniq> and you want to expand the existing filessytem to the whole partition.. or decrease the partitions size? 
[09:12] <uniq> which option is best for you? 
[09:13] <uniq> resize the filesystem is the less risky option.. 
[09:13] <chx_> uniq: really?
[09:13] <uniq> both are easy.. if you just don't fuck up  things :)
[09:14] <uniq> resize2fs to resize the filesystem.
[09:14] <uniq> you might need to remove the journaling option from the filesystem.
[09:14] <uniq> and recreate it after the resize.. 
[09:15] <chx_> but, of course I'd need to boot another linux for that
[09:15] <uniq> anyway.. the manpage for resize2fs explains both actions.. pretty well.. 
[09:15] <chx_> 'cos it can't resize mounted partitions
[09:15] <uniq> sure.. you'll need a livecd or something.
[09:15] <uniq> or a bootdisk with resize2fs and fdisk.. 
[09:16] <chx_> my old HDD still boots... to an extent... that'll do.
[09:16] <chx_> OK. Really, resize2fs sounds like a better option
[09:17] <koivunej> chx_: but always, you should backup anything _really_ important
[09:17] <whiskers> kkathman, apparently there is some kind of text editor when you click on the text button....it will open a text file and let you edit stuff....and then it seems to paste it  into the picture.
[09:17] <whiskers> kkathman, i have no idea what that is all about
[09:17] <chx_> koivunej: what's important is either not local or in my head, anyways. I am a web developer.
[09:17] <whiskers> kkathman, but the brush tool works....you can just move it around in the image
[09:17] <uniq> chx_: you really should backup.. i've had no problem with resize2fs so far.. used it like 10~ times or so.
[09:17] <uniq> but anyway.
[09:18] <chx_> uniq: If I had a backup I'd already resized the partition
[09:18] <chx_> but , as I said I just used up my backup HDD as primary
[09:18] <kkathman> whiskers: yeah...I just need to know the trick about moving layers
[09:18] <chx_> 'cos the primary went almost puff
[09:19] <chx_> maybe... I could back up the system to a DVD disk... maybe I have one or two. I usually backup between HDDs with dd... lazy :)
[09:19] <whiskers> kkathman, that stuff is way over my head...i suggest you check into #gimp or #gimpshop channels or #blender channels and stuff...maybe somebody knows
[09:19] <kkathman> yah
[09:20] <chx_> btw. Kubuntu and whole Linux rocks. My Sarge became unusable and all was in order two hours later on another HDD. This is pretty much impossible with Windows...
[09:21] <koivunej> kubuntu would rock if the hadn't removed kwrite "support" and prefer some kaffeine for playing a mp3 file (some odd file which you don't want on your amarok to screw up the playlist)
[09:21] <koivunej> now it's just ok :) needs though pretty much tweaking
[09:25] <chx_> koivunej: I prefer beep-media-player for mp3 ...
[09:26] <koivunej> chx_: well i just thought that from a total newbies pov, i still have hard time on using anything else than a commandline utility :) mplayer is great for playing an odd mp3 file for example
[09:27] <zane> is there anyway to edit files in Konqueror with root previlgdes?
[09:27] <Super_Cat_Frog> hi - does anybody know how to make dmesg print out all of the boot messages? at the moment it is only showing the last lines (its all "keystroke not recognised" or something to that effect
[09:28] <Super_Cat_Frog> zane - sudo konqueror or ksu konqueror
[09:28] <Super_Cat_Frog> *kdesu
[09:28] <zane> I tried "kdesu [Konqueror] " but that didnt work
[09:28] <AndreH> hm another question: I am using kubuntu with a laptop and found the nice utility KLaptop. but I am not able to activate the acpi things like standby, hibernate and so on
[09:28] <Super_Cat_Frog> zane - you might have to do this first:
[09:28] <Super_Cat_Frog> sudo xhost +localhost
[09:28] <AndreH> under root it works
[09:29] <darkaudit> zane: kdesu "konqueror --profile filemanagement"
[09:29] <AndreH> as a normal user it says I should install a helper application or set write access to /proc/acpi/sleep, I did that with chmod a+w /proc/acpi/sleep
[09:29] <zane> oh
[09:29] <AndreH> but no change
[09:29] <Super_Cat_Frog> andreh - what happens when you do "echo 1 > /proc/acpi/sleep"?
[09:30] <AndreH> uhm, nothing, except the screen flashes very shortly
[09:31] <Super_Cat_Frog> andreh - no output (in the console)?
[09:31] <AndreH> no, it just says something in dmesg: Stopping task... and after that: Restarting tasks... done
[09:32] <zane> darkaudit: does sudo konqueror give me permission for few minutes or is it permanent?
[09:32] <hieudt> it will give you permission until the program is closed
[09:32] <hieudt> i think
[09:33] <zane> ok thanx.. it worked.. i appreciate your help.. i was trying to get this thing to work for last few days.. 
[09:33] <maurerr> zane: try a rightklick on the file and open with => other application; there you type "kdesu kate"; tried right now it works :-)
[09:35] <_miguel> Hello everybody
[09:35] <hieudt> AndreH: Are you trying to put your laptop to sleep??
[09:35] <AndreH> yes
[09:36] <hieudt> try shudown -z
[09:36] <hieudt> i'm not sure if it is compiled in kubuntu generic kernel
[09:36] <hieudt> but give it a try
[09:36] <_miguel> I've got a problem with my cd-writer
[09:37] <_miguel> It's a HP cd4e USB
[09:37] <AndreH> hm, there is no shutdown -z
[09:37] <_miguel> external
[09:38] <hieudt> hmm
[09:38] <AndreH> found another way: klaptop_acpihelper --suspend
[09:38] <_miguel> The system recognizes the drive but I can't have acess to it
[09:38] <_miguel> It gives me an error;
[09:38] <AndreH> but thats pretty dumb because I end up having a black screen after waking my laptop up ;)
[09:38] <hieudt> can you post your cat /proc/acpi/sleep
[09:39] <AndreH> just a moment
[09:39] <hieudt> ok
[09:39] <hieudt> _miguel: what is the error?
[09:40] <_miguel>  /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0:<3>Buffer I/O error on device sda, logical block 0
[09:40] <_miguel> unable to read partition table
[09:40] <_miguel> it goes on and on with this error
[09:41] <hieudt> I got that problem once
[09:41] <hieudt> But only with kernel 2.4
[09:41] <AndreH> hieudt: the output of sleep is: S0 S3 S4 S5
[09:41] <hieudt> Ok
[09:41] <hieudt> AndreH: try echo 3 > /proc/acpi/sleep
[09:41] <hieudt> Should work
[09:41] <hieudt> I think
[09:41] <AndreH> ok now he's sleeping ;)
[09:42] <hieudt> ok
[09:42] <_miguel> hieudth: i've googled for it but didn't find a solution :-(
[09:42] <AndreH> but black screen after waking up
[09:42] <hieudt> Try echo 5 > /proc/acpi/sleep
[09:43] <Akeru> hi
[09:43] <hieudt> _miguel: Is your CDRW USB 2.0?
[09:44] <_miguel> hieudt: I don't think so. It's an old model - four years
[09:45] <AndreH> echo 5 > /proc/acpi/sleep does nothing
[09:46] <_miguel> anyway, I've just switch from mandrake and in that distro it worked
[09:48] <hieudt> AndreH: Try echo 4 > /proc/acpi/sleep
[09:48] <hieudt> _miguel: Must be something with the kernel compilation settings
[09:48] <Akeru> any one could help me getting japanese input working for QT application ? (on amd64)
[09:50] <AndreH> hieudt: that did a suspend to disk I think and worked
[09:51] <AndreH> anyway, I think that suspend and standby isn't working quite well on my laptop
[09:51] <AndreH> hm, should I maybe compile my own kernel?
[09:51] <hieudt> Andreh: it worked anyway
[09:51] <hieudt> AndreH: everybody  should
[09:51] <hieudt> AndreH: generic kernel come with kubuntu is not very optimal
[09:52] <AndreH> ok is there any trick to get the latest kernel using apt-get or do I have to manually get the kernel sources from kernel.org?
[09:53] <hieudt> the default kernel source come with kubuntu is 2.6.10-5
[09:53] <hieudt> the latest kernel is 2.6.11, i think
[09:53] <AndreH> yes, and I would like to use 2.6.11
[09:53] <hieudt> So it is nearly the latest kernel already
[09:53] <AndreH> but only nearly ;)
[09:53] <hieudt> lol
[09:53] <AndreH> so a manuall install would be best I think?
[09:54] <hieudt> I think so
[09:54] <AndreH> ok
[09:54] <hieudt> I would think it is the only possible way
[09:54] <hieudt> but by doing so
[09:54] <hieudt> you missed some kubuntu kernel patches
[09:55] <AndreH> hm I think I will try both kernels tomorrow
[09:55] <hieudt> ok
[09:55] <hieudt> i'm getting some sleep
[09:55] <hieudt> c ya all
[09:55] <AndreH> ok thanks and c ya
[10:04] <maxiMe> bonsoir
[10:06] <maxiMe> Je dcouvre kubuntu.
[10:06] <maxiMe> Je connais relativement bien debian, mais je trouve un fort intrt  kubuntu. a m'a l'air plus "user friendly"
[10:07] <maxiMe> Et quand on met linux dans les mains d'un utilisateur lambda c'est bien d'avoir une machine simple d'utilisation.
[10:07] <Akeru> bonsoir maxiMe 
[10:07] <maxiMe> Bonsoir Akeru
[10:08] <Akeru> any one could help me getting japanese input working for QT application ? (on amd64)
[10:09] <maxiMe> That's an english channel ?
[10:09] <maxiMe> Ouch, excuse me for the french...
[10:10] <Akeru> :)
[10:11] <maxiMe> people join and quit this chan every time...
[10:11] <Akeru> yes and no one seems interrested in my question ;)
[10:12] <maxiMe> well...
[10:12] <maxiMe> I cannot aswer to you about that question...
[10:13] <maxiMe> when you say "input" you speak about keyboard ?
[10:13] <Akeru> yes
[10:13] <Akeru> in fact I can type japanese in GTK application but not in QT ones
[10:13] <maxiMe> ok...
[10:13] <maxiMe> Are you using kubuntu ?
[10:13] <Akeru> yes
[10:14] <Akeru> this is why I need support for QT, if I ran Gnome I would not have any problem
[10:14] <maxiMe> I try to find something...
[10:14] <Akeru> Don't worry too much, I'll leave soon
[10:15] <maxiMe> you can go into configuration center
[10:15] <maxiMe> then keyboard panel
[10:15] <Narg_> isnt there a thread about that on ubuntuforums?
[10:15] <Olliander> Hello!
[10:15] <maxiMe> and select japaneese disposition
[10:16] <Akeru> Narg_: there is, but it does not work on me, maybe because of my amd64, not sure
[10:16] <maxiMe> hello
[10:16] <Akeru> maxiMe: yes but I won't be able to write actual japanese caracters
[10:16] <Olliander> Kubuntu rocks! But Kynaptic is...
[10:16] <Akeru> beta...
[10:16] <maxiMe> I don't think that AMD64 change whatever on keyboard supports
[10:16] <Olliander> Yes, that's the fact Akeru! ^^
[10:17] <Olliander> That's why I installed Synaptic...
[10:17] <maxiMe> Akeru: you get ubuntu first then you've installed kde packages or directly kubuntu ?
[10:17] <Akeru> It might, since I _think_ I need a module called immqt which is not available, besides I'd like to use sKim, which has direct KDE support, but again no support for amd64
[10:17] <Akeru> I got the Kubuntu cd
[10:18] <maxiMe> Olliander: I'm using apt-get ... just like a real geek. I came from debian's world :)
[10:18] <Akeru> nope, real geek use ./configure && make && make install ;)
[10:18] <Olliander> Ah, thats cool maxiMe!
[10:18] <Olliander> I would do it your way too, but I'm a lazy-man... ^^
[10:19] <maxiMe> Akeru: when you have a slackware... or from scratch :)
[10:19] <Akeru> I used to run gentoo...which btw, would not recommend anymore
[10:19] <Olliander> Gentoo...
[10:20] <Akeru> Well anyway, it is late here, gotta go
[10:20] <maxiMe> bonne nuit
[10:20] <Akeru> se you every one
[10:20] <Akeru> merci
[10:20] <ctqucl> 
[10:20] <maxiMe> :)
[10:20] <alex> hi everyone !
[10:20] <Olliander> A question: who would prefer Gentoo instead of (K)Ubuntu?
[10:20] <maxiMe> troll
[10:21] <alex> does anyone know the package name for the KDE dcop browser ?
[10:21] <Akeru> Well, I did prefer gentoo for 2 years...but now I don't anymore, this is a matter of taste
[10:21] <Akeru> gone
[10:21] <maxiMe> I can't install flashpluggin !!!
[10:21] <Choubaka> I could prefer gentoo if compiling programs was done in a second or two.
[10:21] <Choubaka> But it isn't, so no. :)
[10:21] <_tibal> Olliander: Gentoo for speed ang lightness, Kubuntu for easy installation and apt
[10:22] <Choubaka> _tibal: "speed and lightness"? :P
[10:22] <Olliander> _tibal: Interesting... You use both of them?
[10:22] <maxiMe> does any one success too install flashpluggin ?
[10:22] <Choubaka> I have.
[10:22] <maxiMe> You got it from apt ?
[10:22] <Choubaka> firefox fetched it for me and installed it. :p
[10:23] <maxiMe> ok
[10:23] <_tibal> Choubaka: yes I think Gentoo is very fast and so light.. but I agree that it needs lot of disk space and time :)
[10:23] <maxiMe> firefox integration is good in Kubuntu ?
[10:23] <Olliander> But... What I like about (K)Ubuntu... It is easy to install and configure, but you can modificate it how you want! Thats a fact I miss on many distri's like SuSE, Mandriva etc...
[10:23] <Choubaka> _tibal: Hm :/
[10:24] <Choubaka> I wonder where the speed argument comes from.
[10:24] <Choubaka> You barely gain any speed by compiling yourself.
[10:24] <_tibal> Olliander: I used Gentoo but it's very boring to set up
[10:24] <Choubaka> And it's the same software.
[10:25] <Olliander> _tibal: Thats what I think of it too...
[10:25] <_tibal> Choubaka: yes it's true but it boots up faster than Kubuntu... thats the result
[10:26] <Choubaka> You were talking about bootup? :)
[10:26] <Choubaka> My computer is usable under 5 seconds when I start it in the morning :p
[10:26] <Choubaka> Because I never shut it down in the first place :)
[10:27] <_tibal> Choubaka: grrrrr I'm not ecologist but I try to save a few electricity and so money :)
[10:28] <Choubaka> :P
[10:29] <_tibal> Choubaka: Suspend to disk does work on my computer since I use nVidia driver
[10:29] <Choubaka> I guess it'd be possible to make Ubuntu bootup fast too... just start some daemons on the background.
[10:30] <_tibal> how do you did that ?
[10:30] <_tibal> I ever thank about kicking LVM and Raid... it takes a many seconds :)
[10:32] <jan> hi, question i have installed supertux and for some reason i can't get any sound from the game and the sound in option is grayed out. however sound works on the system as a whole
[10:32] <jan> any suggestions?
[10:32] <_tibal> going to test
[10:34] <_tibal> jan: fully working on an updated Kubuntu with default settings
[10:34] <jan> well  let me do a update but i just ran one
[10:34] <jan> last night
[10:35] <_tibal> jan: oh :) i said i was uptodate but i didn't ran any update since 3 days :)
[10:35] <jan> well something isn't clickin for some reason
[10:35] <jan> cause i get no sound on here as if the soundcard is locked or something
[10:35] <jan> but sound works with the test
[10:36] <jan> and with cds
[10:36] <_tibal> jan: one think you can test : try to find a static version on their website if they have one and test it
[10:37] <_tibal> s/think/thing
[10:38] <maxiMe> I go nowhere
[10:38] <maxiMe> Bye everyone
[10:38] <maxiMe> see u
[10:44] <jan> tibal, got it working
[10:44] <jan> you have to change the defaults on the timeouts from 60 to a lower number
[10:44] <jan> works perfect
[10:44] <jan> thanks
[10:48] <yahalom> anyone know if an ubuntu book has been published, such as an ubuntu bible (there is a fedora core 3 bible)
[10:50] <yahalom> or even just a simple guide
[10:55] <malte> hm. is anyone else having trouble ripping cd's with konqueror? it works to begin with, but always dies unexpectedly after a while
[10:57] <yahalom> anyone have a solution to the gl screensavers not working?
[10:58] <cartel_> anyone having issues with the wallet?
[10:58] <kakalto> nope
[10:58] <kakalto> malte, ripping  cd's with konqueror?
[10:58] <malte> kakalto, yeah
[10:58] <malte> does it work for you?
[10:58] <kakalto> why not just use KAudioCreator
[10:58] <yahalom> mm
[10:59] <malte> well, it's easier to just browse with konq :)
[10:59] <malte> imho
[10:59] <malte> yahalom, it works for you?
[10:59] <kakalto> heheh
[11:01] <yahalom> kakalto: r u also using the fglrx drivers?
[11:01] <malte> i'm trying KAudioCreator now
[11:01] <kakalto> fglrx? not sure
[11:01] <yahalom> malte: the gl screensavers?
[11:01] <malte> yahalom, no, ripping music with konqueror
[11:02] <yahalom> kakalto: the ati drivers, probably not.
[11:02] <kakalto> ahh
[11:02] <kakalto> no, nvidia
[11:02] <yahalom> malte: haven't tried. 
[11:02] <malte> argh. kaudiocreator works fine
[11:02] <yahalom> kakalto: nice one. good choice. but ur gl screensavers dont work right?
[11:02] <kakalto> no
[11:02] <kakalto> they don't
[11:02] <malte> neither does mine :)
[11:03] <yahalom> malte: everything else works?
[11:03] <malte> yahalom, are we talking ripping or screensavers now?
[11:03] <yahalom> malte: ripping. let me try, putting some trance in now.
[11:04] <malte> ok, thanks
[11:04] <whiskers> is there an isobuster app for linux
[11:04] <malte> yahalom, i can even play dvd's, so i doubt it has anything to do with my player
[11:04] <malte> hardware*
[11:04] <kakalto> so, malte, ripping doesn't work at all?
[11:05] <malte> kakalto, i've only tried mp3, i'm trying wav now
[11:05] <yahalom> malte: "no possibility to retrieve info drom CDDB"
[11:05] <yahalom> malte: so no
[11:05] <malte> oh.. well, that's no problem for me
[11:05] <whiskers> on the news on slashdot...it looks like a big argument between apple and ms about who is going to take over the desktop
[11:05] <yahalom> malte: what is ur prob?
[11:06] <malte> yahalom, it stalls and then dies. it never gets past ~40%
[11:06] <kakalto> whiskers, if Apple released Panther for X86, they would win :P
[11:06] <whiskers> kakalto, hey i stay out of that commercial stuff.....let those bigshots battle it out
[11:06] <kakalto> yeh
[11:06] <kakalto> I'd stick to linux
[11:06] <yahalom> malte: sux
[11:07] <kakalto> but, whiskers, out of WinXP and Panther, I'd go Panther
[11:07] <yahalom> malte: ok now i'm also bugged. anyone having ripper issues?
[11:07] <bleertep> xorg-driver-fglrx for ati is installed on my system but the open-gl acceleration does not work. can anyone help?
[11:07] <whiskers> kakalto, well i don't know the pluses and minuses between either of them....and i don't care....let them argue about all that money stuff
[11:08] <yahalom> bleertep: u still get mesa?
[11:08] <kakalto> yeh
[11:08] <bleertep> waht is mesa?
[11:08] <whiskers> kakalto, do you know of an isobuster program for linux
[11:08] <whiskers> kakalto, or is it possible to do it with mount command
[11:09] <kakalto> isobuster? you mean cd-rip-to-iso ?
[11:09] <bleertep> ok, thanks
[11:09] <bleertep> i have a try with mesa then
[11:09] <whiskers> kakalto, no...to bust an iso...and change the files in it
[11:09] <yahalom> bleertep: umm ....type glxgears in konsole
[11:09] <yahalom> bleertep: no
[11:09] <yahalom> bleertep: f%^$% mesa
[11:09] <bleertep> that goes really fast
[11:09] <yahalom> bleertep: don't try mesa
[11:10] <bleertep> ok
[11:10] <kakalto> whiskers, sorry, no, I don't know, tried google?
[11:10] <yahalom> bleertep: ok what is ur fps?
[11:10] <bleertep> i havnt touched it yet
[11:10] <whiskers> kakalto, well i will try
[11:10] <kakalto> good luck mate
[11:10] <yahalom> bleertep: don't get excited by the gears, just minimize it and look at ur konsole
[11:10] <bleertep> 542.400
[11:10] <bleertep> ^^
[11:10] <yahalom> bleertep: ok thats terrible
[11:10] <yahalom> bleertep: u cant even play tuxracer ;)
[11:11] <yahalom> bleertep: what ati card u have?
[11:11] <bleertep> yeah, its really slow, and i got a x300 
[11:11] <bleertep> in a inspairion 9300
[11:11] <bleertep> inspiron 9300 (dell)
[11:11] <whiskers> kakalto, the only thing i see is a commercial isobuster for windows
[11:11] <yahalom> bleertep: ok...u did apt-get install fglrx?
[11:11] <whiskers> kakalto, there is no free isobuster for linux
[11:11] <kakalto> :(
[11:12] <kakalto> perhaps it's called something else
[11:12] <bleertep> no, i got it via synaptic
[11:12] <kakalto> like, not isobuster, but isochanger, isoeditor or something
[11:12] <yahalom> bleertep: ok good. u got xorg right?
[11:12] <bleertep> yeep
[11:12] <KaiL_> restarted X since? :)
[11:13] <whiskers> kakalto, i can't find an isobuster program for linux
[11:13] <yahalom> bleertep: ok then u did fglrxconfig?
[11:13] <whiskers> kakalto, would mount -o loop iso9660 source destination work
[11:13] <bleertep> no, i did not yet
[11:13] <Foodcoman> I am back to watch the master work!   =)
[11:13] <kakalto> whiskers, sorry, I don't know, try #ubuntu
[11:14] <whiskers> kakalto, i can't ...i was banned from ubuntu and postgresql a long time ago
[11:14] <kakalto> oooooo
[11:14] <kakalto> I'll try for ya
[11:14] <yahalom> bleertep: ok so  u want help?
[11:14] <whiskers> kakalto, i am wondering if mount -o loop iso9660 source destination.....is just as good as that expensive isobuster program for windows
[11:14] <bleertep> yes please
[11:15] <bleertep> i just startet fglrxconfog
[11:15] <yahalom> bleertep: in konsole type: sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf_backup
[11:15] <yahalom> bleertep: in case u screw up
[11:15] <bleertep> ok
[11:15] <whiskers> kakalto, they got real mad at me for working on glom
[11:16] <yahalom> bleertep: done?
[11:16] <bleertep> yes
[11:16] <bleertep> done
[11:16] <whiskers> kakalto, but they don't know about kexi on kde
[11:16] <yahalom> bleertep: ok now type: sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[11:17] <bleertep> mom, i need to get getedit first
[11:17] <yahalom> bleertep: and go to ur monitor section, u'll need to find ur horizantl sync and vertical sync, know what i mean?
[11:18] <yahalom> bleertep: it doesnt matter, whatever editor u like is fine
[11:18] <bleertep> yeah, it is a lcd, so should be at 60 hz, right?
[11:18] <yahalom> bleertep: just u need to be able to see ur hsync and vsync
[11:18] <kakalto> whiskers, yes, you can mount iso's like that
[11:18] <yahalom> bleertep: whatever is in ur section. ubuntu detects it well. u found it?
[11:19] <kakalto> mount -o loop iso9660 source destination
[11:20] <bleertep> hmm, i cant find the entrt for the syncs
[11:20] <whiskers> kakalto, well that sounds a lot better than the real expensive isobuster program for windows
[11:20] <kakalto> lol
[11:20] <kakalto> apparently iso-mounting was covered on www.ubuntuguide.org
[11:20] <kakalto> and I'm recieving a little flame for that
[11:20] <yahalom> bleertep: should look like this: Section "Monitor"
[11:21] <bleertep> Section "Device"
[11:21] <bleertep>         Identifier      "ATI Technologies, Inc. Radeon Mobility M300 (M22)"
[11:21] <bleertep>         Driver          "ati"
[11:21] <bleertep>         BusID           "PCI:1:0:0"
[11:21] <bleertep> EndSection
[11:21] <bleertep> Section "Monitor"
[11:21] <bleertep>         Identifier      "Generic Monitor"
[11:21] <bleertep>         Option          "DPMS"
[11:21] <yahalom> bleertep: then HorizSync and VertRefresh
[11:21] <bleertep> EndSection
[11:21] <yahalom> bleertep: thats all u have in ur monitor?
[11:21] <bleertep> yep
[11:21] <KaiL_> should work without hsync/vsync on a laptop (uses ddc then..)
[11:22] <yahalom> bleertep: so lets follow KaiL_ 's advise
[11:22] <yahalom> bleertep: so just exit it and type in ur konsole fglrxconfig
[11:22] <\sh> guys..I don't know if you know it, but http://linux.blogweb.de/archives/9-Hewlett-Packard-and-Ubuntu-Linux.html
[11:23] <bleertep> ok
[11:23] <bleertep> started it
[11:24] <yahalom> bleertep: u should be safe with the defaults. However make sure to when it asks u to use External AGP choose YES and not the default which is NO, and if u want to use cedega for games, choose compatible mode
[11:24] <KaiL_> \sh: I'd like much more, if HP would just start to make their laptops just compatible with linux
[11:24] <yahalom> bleertep: remember u backed up ur xorg.conf so no need to sweat
[11:24] <bleertep> omni_lonnie, but it is not agp, it is PCIe
[11:24] <KaiL_> and NOT use broken bioses
[11:24] <bleertep> sorry
[11:25] <\sh> KaiL_: well..i have only problems with my irda ;) everything else is running nicely
[11:25] <KaiL_> bleertep: then please look, if the PCI-ID is right
[11:25] <KaiL_> maybe remove that line at all..
[11:25] <KaiL_> \sh: ever tried ACPI S3?
[11:25] <\sh> KaiL_: what is it? my laptop is running 24 hours
[11:26] <bleertep> no, is it woth lookin at?
[11:26] <yahalom> bleertep: yeah i know. I never tried this on a laptop. so just choose the defaults and then we'll see. if it asks u the agp thing, choose yes anyway
[11:26] <KaiL_> suspend
[11:26] <bleertep> ok
[11:26] <KaiL_> something, which I cann required to call a Laptop "Linux compatible"
[11:26] <yahalom> KaiL_: u familiar with flgrx on laptops?
[11:26] <KaiL_> esp as every other hardware is normally no problem
[11:26] <yahalom> fglrx
[11:26] <\sh> KaiL_: it will come
[11:26] <\sh> yahalom: runs
[11:27] <KaiL_> yahalom: not really, I only have nvidia and matrox cards :)
[11:27] <\sh> <- ati radeon 9600 mobility
[11:27] <KaiL_> oh, and an S3 *g*
[11:27] <yahalom> KaiL_: good one
[11:27] <\sh> KaiL_: hehe :)
[11:27] <yahalom> bleertep: where r u?
[11:27] <whiskers> bleertep, cedega is commercial...so don't get caught using it
[11:28] <yahalom> bleertep: yeah dont be a bad boy
[11:28] <KaiL_> btw. has somebody tried recent laptops with the Ubuntu live cd?
[11:28] <yahalom> whiskers: what is the non-comercial alternative?
[11:28] <KaiL_> does this work better than with knoppix?
[11:28] <whiskers> bleertep, you can use wine for very limited stuff...but it doesn't work very well
[11:28] <yahalom> whiskers: i'd like to save me $5 a month
[11:28] <bleertep> lol, k whiskers
[11:28] <KaiL_> (where you need to give at least 2 parameters for all laptops..)
[11:28] <whiskers> yahalom, what are you paying $5/mo for
[11:28] <yahalom> whiskers: cedega
[11:29] <whiskers> yahalom, oh...you are a legal customer....well i don't know of any alternative....wine is not very useful right now
[11:29] <bleertep> yeah, i actually dont really need all this 3d stuff, its just for the screensavers ... ;)
[11:29] <yahalom> bleertep: go here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=22496&highlight=howto+ati
[11:29] <Foodcoman> yahalom: cedega convert D3D calls to OpenGL?
[11:29] <bleertep> thanks a lot
[11:29] <yahalom> bleertep: i have the 3d stuff and my gl screensavers dont work
[11:30] <whiskers> bleertep, are you using ATI
[11:30] <yahalom> bleertep: other users are also having this prob, so if u dont see ur screensavers it might have nothing to do with ur driver
[11:30] <whiskers> bleertep, or nvidia
[11:30] <yahalom> Foodcoman: ???
[11:30] <bleertep> ok
[11:31] <whiskers> bleertep, are you using ATI or Nvidia hardware
[11:31] <bleertep> ati
[11:31] <yahalom> bleertep: i can play half-life 2, but my screensavers dont work and  i have ati. other users here have nvidia and same prob
[11:31] <Foodcoman> yahalom: I thought I read that the cedega peeps tweek to make D3D games run by mapping D3D to OpenGL for X.
[11:31] <KaiL_> yahalom: bad howto.
[11:31] <bleertep> ok
[11:31] <whiskers> yahalom, i am trying to help you...are you using ati or nvidia hardware
[11:32] <KaiL_> you don't need to fight with make or alien on ubuntu 5.04
[11:32] <yahalom> whiskers: ati
[11:32] <whiskers> KaiL_, hey alien is great...i busted a lot of deb and rpm source files with it
[11:32] <KaiL_> but you still don't need it
[11:32] <yahalom> Foodcoman: i have no clue man. For all the $$$ there is always a free legal way ;)
[11:32] <KaiL_> ubuntu has all the files
[11:33] <yahalom> Foodcoman: make one and i'll be ur customer.
[11:33] <whiskers> yahalom, ok...well nvidia has an extra command called nvidia-glx-configure enable........see if there is an equivalent ati command
[11:33] <bleertep> by the way: i love ununtu, i am using it for a week know and it was a bit tricky for me as a linux starter to get the Java sdk runing but now i allmost feel home :))
[11:33] <bleertep> ubuntu
[11:33] <Foodcoman> yahalom: hehehe- Take a number!
[11:33] <yahalom> Foodcoman: lol
[11:33] <yahalom> whiskers: hang on
[11:33] <bzbb> I'm having a problem with JuK
[11:34] <KaiL_> start following the howto with "fglrxconfig"
[11:34] <yahalom> whiskers: no such option
[11:34] <KaiL_> and forget that make stuff at the end - the module should be there
[11:34] <yahalom> whiskers: should have bough an nvidia card
[11:34] <KaiL_> but must be loaded!
[11:34] <bzbb> I switch the output to gstreamer, to test a gstreamer plugin, and now when I launch it, it loads the library, and then crashes with a sig 6 sigabrt
[11:34] <whiskers> yahalom, well...use a hexeditor on nvidia-glx-configure command and change it to work on ati board
[11:35] <whiskers> yahalom, or just try it...it might work
[11:35] <KaiL_> ok, who was it with the 9600?
[11:35] <KaiL_> yahalom: you?
[11:35] <whiskers> yahalom, type sudo nvidia-glx-configure enable.....and see what happens
[11:35] <yahalom> whiskers: ati drivers are very sensitive
[11:35] <diyojen> hi
[11:35] <whiskers> yahalom, well you might have to go to their website and look around
[11:35] <yahalom> whiskers: i'll play around, i dont want to stay up all night now though
[11:36] <whiskers> yahalom, get used to it
[11:36] <yahalom> KaiL_: no 9200
[11:36] <diyojen> how can install xawtv to ubuntu or kubuntu??
[11:36] <whiskers> diyojen, do you have a capture card
[11:36] <KaiL_> yahalom: working DRI?
[11:36] <yahalom> KaiL_: yeh
[11:36] <yahalom> whiskers: how will i remove it afterwards?
[11:37] <yahalom> whiskers: i dont want any traces of something
[11:37] <KaiL_> ok, so who was here left with nonworking DRI (=slow 3D)?
[11:37] <whiskers> yahalom, well back up xorg.conf file before you begin...just in case it screws everything up
[11:37] <diyojen> yes whiskers ofcourse
[11:37] <whiskers> diyojen, oh...that is why you want xawtv
[11:37] <Foodcoman> whiskers: My next project is to get my haupaugge pvr-350 and myth working!
[11:37] <yahalom> whiskers: let me ask the guys on #ati first, if they dotn know, i'll follow ur advise
[11:38] <whiskers> Foodcoman, i wish i could afford a haupage 250 even
[11:38] <diyojen> ok how can i watch tv on *buntu?
[11:38] <KaiL_> diyojen: start xawtv? :)
[11:38] <Foodcoman> whiskers: Sorry, slaved many hours!
[11:39] <yahalom> anyone find a solution to the kripper issue?
[11:39] <yahalom> CD Ripper
[11:39] <Foodcoman> diyojen: MythTV and many others if you have your driver and firmware for your card working
[11:39] <diyojen> KaiL_,  
[11:39] <yahalom> KAudioCreator
[11:39] <KaiL_> diyojen: scantv before for the conf ;)
[11:39] <diyojen>  am using ubuntu live
[11:40] <diyojen> and i cant find any tv program on it
[11:40] <diyojen> i search software add/remove
[11:40] <KaiL_> then install it on your hd :p
[11:40] <Foodcoman> diyojen: Bit of a hurdle!  Live
[11:40] <diyojen>  AM NEW!
[11:40] <diyojen> im goning to install it if i can watch tv on it
[11:41] <KaiL_> you can after installing :P
[11:41] <diyojen> no way before?
[11:41] <diyojen> look i prefer gnome , if i cant then i am going to use Knoppix :)
[11:41] <KaiL_> afair you can't install apps in the live cd :)
[11:42] <Foodcoman> diyojen: http://mythtv.org  click screenshots
[11:42] <KaiL_> knoppix has no gnome
[11:42] <diyojen> there is any module or something to add my iso file?
[11:43] <Foodcoman> diyojen: ubuntu uses Gnome. No way you will get it all on customer ISO I think.
[11:43] <KaiL_> don't you belive, that it works, or why don't you install? :)
[11:43] <Foodcoman> diyojen: for live anyway.
[11:44] <diyojen> my hard disk is sata and its ntfs
[11:44] <KaiL_> make an ext3 partition on it :p
[11:44] <whiskers> Foodcoman, no...there is no way....ubuntu is much smaller than gentoo but still a basic system is about 10gigs
[11:44] <whiskers> Foodcoman, you might supply it on 3dvds
[11:44] <diyojen> fat32 posiible to install?
[11:44] <Foodcoman> whiskers: Yeah I figured Myth is huge because of Mysql ect.
[11:45] <Foodcoman> diyojen: Let Windows die!   =)
[11:45] <diyojen> Foodcoman,  then my father let me die:
[11:46] <Foodcoman> diyojen: hahaha  Make him a believer over time then.
[11:46] <diyojen> and olso no MATLAB , or sap2000 on linux
[11:46] <KaiL_> whiskers: uhm, basic on 10gig?
[11:46] <KaiL_> you shouldn't install any comercial game you can find :p
[11:46] <whiskers> KaiL_, yes...that includes most development libraries and stuff
[11:46] <whiskers> KaiL_, i would say 3 dvds would be a basic system
[11:46] <KaiL_> then this isn't a basic system
[11:47] <whiskers> KaiL_, but crimson needs to find an equivalent to gentoo's env-update command
[11:47] <KaiL_> basic is something as featured as a MS Windows cd
[11:47] <whiskers> KaiL_, or etc-update or whatever
[11:47] <KaiL_> means kernel + X + kdebase :)
[11:47] <Foodcoman> diyojen: Buy a cheap drive so you have room to work..
[11:47] <whiskers> KaiL_, windows os...doesn't have any apps.....you have to pay thousands of dollars for a basic windows system
[11:48] <whiskers> KaiL_, nearly every app cost extra money
[11:48] <KaiL_> whiskers: openoffice + mozilla :))
[11:48] <diyojen> Foodcoman,  i can install tvtime from knoppix , from apt-get , why i cant do it from ubuntu?
[11:48] <KaiL_> diyojen: you know, that you can partition a disk?
[11:49] <whiskers> KaiL_, hey that is nothing....what if you need the windows fortran compiler....or photoshop for windows....or supernero for windows...or true image for windows or whatever.
[11:49] <diyojen> KaiL_,  i tyed but i cant make boot , 
[11:49] <Foodcoman> diyojen: you need to update your sources!  http://ubuntuguide.org
[11:49] <diyojen> 2 os wich one gonna be start?
[11:49] <whiskers> KaiL_, all those apps cost extra money on windows
[11:49] <KaiL_> diyojen: you have lilo for that ;)
[11:49] <bleertep> yahalom, whiskers and KaiL_ thanks a million for the help, i just read the forumthread and think i am not goin to do this tonight, i will do it tomorrow and will let you know when i am on the sunny side :)
[11:50] <diyojen> i am NEW , i fucked my windows 2 times to try installing linux on d:
[11:50] <Foodcoman> diyojen: boot manager lets you configure!  Wont tell you its easy!  Check out the guide.
[11:50] <yahalom> bleertep: also chat with guys on #ati
[11:50] <KaiL_> diyojen: you have a d:?
[11:50] <yahalom> bleertep: good luck
[11:50] <diyojen> yes i have a d:
[11:50] <KaiL_> how big?
[11:50] <diyojen> 40 gb
[11:50] <KaiL_> should work :)
[11:50] <Foodcoman> KaiL_: ...got my back!
[11:50] <Foodcoman> =)
[11:51] <KaiL_> I guess, after your work only linux boots?
[11:51] <diyojen> windows can read from ext3?
[11:51] <KaiL_> no
[11:52] <KaiL_> but this doesn't matter
[11:53] <diyojen> i dont understand there is ntfs , ext or fat32 , why there is no global system , both linux and win can use hdd
[11:53] <kakalto> because microsoft is proprietory
[11:53] <KaiL_> fat32 is some kind of this basic system
[11:54] <KaiL_> but it is very basic - no permissions, no journal..
[11:54] <diyojen> but i cant install linux on fat32
[11:54] <kakalto> it's because fat32 isn't good enough
[11:54] <kakalto> ntfs would be, but it's proprietory
[11:54] <KaiL_> you also can't install Windows XP on it (at least not without loosing very very much of it's functionality)
[11:55] <diyojen> if there is no permission then - linux world can make ext4 for win and linux:)
[11:55] <Foodcoman> diyojen: backup your d: stuff to put on C:
[11:55] <KaiL_> Foodcoman: he want's a dualboot
[11:56] <KaiL_> so why not just make one?
[11:56] <KaiL_> c: for Windows, d: for Linux
[11:56] <Foodcoman> diyojen: Then let Linux take that empty space
[11:56] <KaiL_> (Linux names them hda1 and hda2 :)
[11:56] <Foodcoman> Yeah true KaiL_ 
[11:56] <diyojen> KaiL_,  if my disk is sata its hda1 or sda1?
[11:57] <KaiL_> ..and maybe a hda3 for swap
[11:57] <Foodcoman> Lag is bad.
[11:57] <KaiL_> ah, sata - so sda
[11:57] <diyojen> thats the why my lilo dont work:)
[11:57] <KaiL_> but that doesn't change anything
[11:57] <KaiL_> hmm?
[11:58] <yahalom> ok...anyone know how i can find out if i have the oggEnc dependencies?
[11:58] <KaiL_> you need to configure lilo, tell it there, that it is on sda
[11:58] <diyojen> and there is someting more , knoppix says my c: >> hd1 , d: >> hd5
[11:58] <diyojen> where is hda3,4 ?
[11:58] <KaiL_> an, extended partitions....
[11:59] <kakalto> 4 is an extended thing, 3 might be swap?
[11:59] <Foodcoman> yahalom: Kynaptic and search ogg?
[11:59] <KaiL_> do you want a big explanation, or is "it is like it is" enough?
[11:59] <yahalom> Foodcoman: thanx
[11:59] <Foodcoman> libogg
[11:59] <diyojen> ok thanks i have to reset:)
[11:59] <Foodcoman> libogggflac for example
[12:00] <KaiL_> kakalto: hda2 is the extended, hda5 is the logical volume in there, hda3  and 4 just doesn't exist
[12:00] <KaiL_> or so
[12:00] <Foodcoman> yahalom: If you installed an OGG player with dependencies is should get them all.
[12:01] <whiskers> how come there is a kde hexeditor but no gnome hexeditor