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bwlangsobersabre: it's probably your time zone setting... if you're not off by 1 hour increments then the timeserver is probably misconfigured - use pool.ntp.org instead12:00
bob2Olsen: no12:00
mcphailbwlang: OpenOffice.org presenter12:00
mdkebob2, can i have a quick word?12:00
nickrudsobersabre, is your hardware time utc, or local time12:00
mainersobresabre: did you config utc,or local time??12:00
Olsenbah, i'm disappointed :/12:00
bob2mdke: ok12:00
bwlangmcphail: ah.. i'll try it12:00
bob2Olsen: that's not what universe is for12:00
bob2Olsen: at least the first 3 are in main12:00
mcphailbwlang: or you can create an animated .GIF with the GIMP12:00
Olsenbob2, what is universe for?12:01
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grumpysmurfwow thats an openended question12:01
pagefaultdoes anyone have any idea why my clock slowly drifts ahead on me?12:01
bob2Olsen: unsupported free software12:01
mainerit's the equivalent of debian "testing"12:01
pagefaultlike 20 minutes a day12:01
bob2Olsen: main is for supported free software12:01
Olsenok12:02
maineror unstable actually,maybe?12:02
zoppytbird : can u repaste the link please ;-)12:02
chris__anyone have experience setting up broadcom cards with ndiswrapper, im having a strange problem12:02
Olsencan i get bleeding edge software?12:02
tbird flashplayer-mozilla12:02
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tbirdhttp://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-16360.html12:02
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zoppytbird : or the keyword12:02
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darkauditpagefault: haven't found an answer yet... other than changing the clock sync to periodic, rather than once12:03
mcphailchris__: fire away...12:03
pagefaultdarkaudit, yeah it's rather annoying12:03
djm62mini: hmmm: do you have more than one soundcard?12:03
chris__mcphail, basically when i set everything up and modprobe ndiswrapper i get this:12:03
chris__FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko): Operation not permitted12:04
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pagefaultyou need to sudo your modprobe12:04
minidjm62: yes...12:04
minidjm62: 2..12:04
pagefaultsudo modprobe ndiswrapper12:04
minidjm62: 1 inegrated on my motherboard and one more..12:04
mcphailchris__: are you doing this as root?12:04
chris__man weird12:05
chris__i was sudoing it, but i just su'd and now it works12:05
chris__lol12:05
pagefaultweird12:05
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chris__do you have to restart before the card will detect your AP?12:06
abelli_ciao && thx bob212:06
djm62mini: that could be your problem...the system might not share your audiophile preferences12:06
mcphailchris__: no. Try ifup wlan012:06
pagefaultif you have problems seeing you AP you may need to upgrade ndiswrapper12:06
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pagefaulthad to do that for a friend12:06
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pagefaulthoary shipped with an old version12:06
abelli_did somebody notice a segfault with streamtuner while trying to open some arbitrary directories?12:06
djm62mini: do you know what modules the cards use?12:06
minidjm62: okay..12:07
minidjm62: nope..12:07
rijiVNC for linux/horay?12:07
chris__wow it works now12:07
mcphailchris__: excellent12:07
djm62mini: can you PM me with the output of lsmod12:07
chris__well thanks guys, everything worked out of the box except wifi and ive been trying to get it for like 48 hours12:07
mcphailchris__: it took me 18 months ;p12:08
chris__hehe12:08
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minimini     10224  0.0  0.1  1820  560 pts/0    R+   01:58   0:00 grep esd12:08
chris__well actually, strange, the ap shows up in kwifimanger, but iwlist wlan0 scan returns no scan results12:09
ScuddieOK...12:09
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chris__brb12:10
minidjm62:did you get it?12:10
ScuddieWho here knows how to re-route calls to OSS to ESD?12:10
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nickrudScuddie, try esddsp <app>12:10
abelli_really no one here that uses streamtuner?12:10
ScuddieOh really?  That's all there is to it?12:11
bob2most people use mplayer for that sort of thing12:11
ScuddieEven if the program was hard-coded to use OSS?12:11
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nickrudScuddie, it's usually worked for me, don't ask me to explain :)12:12
ScuddieOK, I'll give it a shot.12:12
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ScuddieOh... Also another simple question, is there any way to set Firefox to open up a new tab after target=_blank instead of a new window?12:14
abelli_bob2: talking to me?12:14
bob2abelli_: yes12:14
abelli_mplayer has radio listing?12:15
phasegen2 questions for someone with the know-how12:15
cafuegoHmm. ANy reason breezy thinks I shouldn be using Evolution?12:15
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bob2abelli_: doubt it12:16
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abelli_so why mplayer should substitute streamtuner?12:16
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bob2?12:16
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bob2aren't you just using streamtuner to listen to icecast or whatever?12:17
thr1cecan someone help me ?  I get this error when I log in12:17
thr1cehttp://www.pastebin.com/27302712:17
thr1cesince I installed my ATI driver12:17
bob2#flood is a less annoying than pastebin, imo12:17
phasegenif I do the default install, how do I change my screen res?  the only choices offered are 800X600 and 640X480.  I need 1024X76812:17
fateisajesterhi i have just installed ubuntu. is there a superkaramba rpm for this distro and where can i find it12:17
thedudeabidesO.K., i've got the ndiswrapper tar burned on a disc and i've got Linux booted up.  What next?12:17
abelli_bob2: huh, not just for radios' directories.12:17
thr1ceI can paste it in #flood if you'd like too12:17
abelli_bob2: indexing.12:18
bob2fateisajester: rpm? no.12:18
bob2fateisajester: it is packaged, tho.12:18
nickrudthr1ce, stick in the two tests xorg mentions, also12:18
fateisajesterwhere can i find it?12:18
thr1cenickrud, what do you mean ?12:18
simonphow to use the rescue mode, just changing vc?12:19
bob2fateisajester: wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto12:19
fateisajesterthx12:19
thedudeabidesO.K., i've got the ndiswrapper tar burned on a disc and i've got Linux booted up.  What next?12:19
nickrudThe result of <b>xprop -root | grep XKB  and the other.12:19
bob2thedudeabides: no need to keep repeating12:19
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simonpthedudeabides: how about reading documentation ;)12:19
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simonpthedudeabides: you're gonna need the windows driver installation files12:20
thedudeabidesI have the windows drivers as well.  I'm a newb so the ndis installation guide doesn't help me too much.12:20
thr1cenickrud, http://www.pastebin.com/27302912:20
thr1cenickrud, I see xfree in there...could that be something ?12:21
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nickrudthr1ce, no, and they look ok to me ...12:23
nickrudlet me check something12:23
thr1cenickrud, that error pops up when I log in to an X session12:23
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DoomhammerI'm trying to run Unreal Tournament 2003, I installed fglrx and ran "fglrxconfig", edited the file a bit so it would work with x.org instead of XFree86, and now when I try to run the game is says "Couldn't set video mode: Couldn't find matching GLX visual" ... what do I do to fix this?12:23
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Gumbycan anyone here tell me the name of the wireless network ap in gnome?12:23
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thr1cebut on the upside... 35022 frames in 5.0 seconds = 7004.400 FPS12:24
thr1ce  :)12:24
nickrudthr1ce, maybe it does, mine has xorg.12:24
thr1cenickrud, hm...would that be somewhere in xorg.conf ?12:24
DoomhammerI'm trying to run Unreal Tournament 2003, I installed fglrx and ran "fglrxconfig", edited the file a bit so it would work with x.org instead of XFree86, and now when I try to run the game is says "Couldn't set video mode: Couldn't find matching GLX visual" ... what do I do to fix this?12:24
nickrudyup, under input device12:25
thr1ce    Option "XkbRules"   "xfree86"12:25
thr1ce    Option "XkbModel"   "pc101"12:25
thr1ce    Option "XkbLayout"  "us"12:25
thr1ce?12:25
thr1cewhat must that be changed to ?12:25
nickrud"XkbRules"      "xorg"12:25
Doomhammerchange the "xfree86" to "xorg", if you're on Hoary12:25
fateisajesterbob2: i understand i need to update my repositories. do you know of one that has superkaramba?12:25
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thr1ceDoomhammer, got the 3d accel working finally12:26
bob2fateisajester: no, you don't12:26
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bob2fateisajester: it's in hoary universe12:26
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fateisajesteroh12:26
fateisajesterok12:26
fateisajesterthx12:26
Doomhammerthrlce: I think i've got it working... I insalled fglrx ... I'm getting ~100FPS in glxgears now12:26
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thr1ceok, brb...lemme try er out12:26
Doomhammerthrlce: but when I try to run Ut2k4 it says "Couldn't set video mode: Couldn't find matching GLX visual"12:26
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adaptman. Limewire kills my system. makes nautilus take like 20 seconds to open. <1 second normally12:27
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thr1ce35025 frames in 5.0 seconds = 7005.000 FPS12:27
thr1cethat's my glxgears12:27
thr1ce:)12:27
adapti havent used p2p in forever.. anything better than Limewire (amule doesnt ever work for me)12:27
thr1cethat was compiling new drivers from source...  </slackware user>12:27
thr1ceanyways, lemme try that out12:27
thedudeabidesi'm lost here12:27
Doomhammerthrlce: when I try to run Ut2k4 it says "Couldn't set video mode: Couldn't find matching GLX visual" ... what do I do about that?12:28
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cafuegobob2: You know, #ubuntu needs an archive-searching bot.12:28
bob2hah12:29
djm62true it does12:29
djm62grim12:29
djm62does anyone know a simpler way to change soundcard order in alsa than editing /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base12:30
bob2blacklist the secondary device in /etc/hotplug/blacklist12:30
bob2load it in /etc/modules12:30
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limerwoot!  totem has audio :P12:31
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minidjm62: still no sound :P12:32
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sionideagh freenode split!12:33
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djm62mini: check volume control again?12:34
elektrolyyttiim going to install windows xp and of course its going to remove my ubuntu grub boot... what is the fastest and easiest way to get grub back?12:34
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dhahnhello12:34
Burgundavia_elektrolyytti, there is a wiki page about that12:34
Burgundavia_elektrolyytti, search the Ubuntu wiki for Windows12:34
zero[] elektrolyytti: i think when you try to install windows xp it's not gonna be able to boot up at first12:34
zero[] when it restarts for the first time12:35
zero[] and you're gonna have to reinstall GRUB at that point12:35
minidjm62: still no sound :12:35
dhahnLooking for help with an ethernet interface on a toshiba laptop after a 4.10 to 5.04 upgrade12:35
minidjm62, notmuted..12:35
elektrolyyttizero[] : nope.. i installed it before and not...12:35
Gumbycan anyone here tell me the name of the wireless network ap in gnome?12:35
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zero[] elektrolyytti: that's strange, last time i tried installing windows on an ex-linux box i had to format the mbr first12:36
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jordanaui ahve changed my college major to computer science, we must learn java. <---thoughts?12:36
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zero[] java is good, i like it12:37
zero[] cross-platform12:37
zero[] you can program something in linux and it'll work in windows too12:37
|QuaD-zero[] : c# is nice too12:37
grumpysmurftheoretically12:37
|QuaD-zero[] : you can do the same with c#12:37
zero[] eh, usually works12:37
zero[] really?12:37
zero[] i didn't know that12:37
djm62Gumby: you can set supported cards with network-admin12:38
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|QuaD-zero[] : i was a java fan until i found c#12:38
|QuaD-it is reat12:38
minidjm62, so what do i do?12:38
zero[] microsoft made something.. good?12:38
zero[] hehe12:38
djm62mini: I'm quite lost now...googling12:38
Gumbydjm62: I am looking for something like kwifimanager for kde but for gnome12:38
|QuaD-zero[] : well, microsoft only made the windows implementation12:38
minidjm62, well don't bother... going to bed..12:39
|QuaD-they designed the language and framework though12:39
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zero[] i thought microsoft was behind the whole c# language12:39
ago73Hi all12:39
Burgundavia_zero[] , java, that write once run anywhere is not true. Also java is non-free12:39
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|QuaD-zero[] : they designed the languages12:39
minidjm62,  but thanks for the help12:39
djm62sorry it wasn't particularly12:39
ago73Do you guys use testing or unstable for external sources?12:39
zero[] oh12:39
nickrudago73, unstable12:39
|QuaD-Burgundavia_: not non-free for long12:39
Burgundavia_ago73, ubuntu syncs to unstable12:39
Burgundavia_|QuaD-, uhh, I wil belive that when I see it12:40
djm62Gumby: I think they're doing some work on wifi which isn't in this gnome release12:40
zero[] why isn't it free? you can download the sdk from sun12:40
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|QuaD-Burgundavia_: they said they would open solaris, they did, now they said they are opening java, so they will12:40
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Burgundavia_zero[] , freedom to change and redistribute12:40
|QuaD-zero[] : free as in freedom not as in beer12:40
Burgundavia_|QuaD-, they have not opened solaris yet12:40
zero[] ohh12:40
ago73Burgundavia_, nickrud  thx I am asking because warty use to be on testing, right? So I thought that once Hoary was release it would also move to testing12:40
djm62why would /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base only have one line?12:41
bob2ago73: "on testing"?12:41
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Burgundavia_ago73, what happens is Ubuntu syncs with Debian sid until the upstream version freeze. After that it is only selected bug fixes12:41
bob2ago73: warty was based on debian unstable, not testing12:41
|QuaD-Burgundavia_: oh, i thoughtthey did12:41
ago73bob2 thx12:41
Burgundavia_ago73, so Breezy (the next version of Ubuntu) just synced up to sid12:42
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Burgundavia_|QuaD-, Expect to see buildable Solaris code here in Q2 2005. from opensolaris.org12:42
sageekI Just installed superkaramba and loaded some fine working theme, and i see the icons on it, tho his bg is black and i can't see the text, tho it seems to be working..?12:42
|QuaD-Burgundavia_: i have no desire to run it :)12:43
djm62how open?12:43
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Burgundavia_|QuaD-, nor do I12:43
Burgundavia_djm62, OSI approved but not GPL compatible12:43
djm62_debuggable_ solaris code12:43
sionidehow do i make firefox use the normal firefox icon/logo in ubuntu? :/12:43
bob2sionide: talk to the mozilla foundation12:43
djm62sionide: there were copyright issues with the logo12:43
sageekany clue why it won't work?12:43
bob2sionide: they have interesting ideas about trademarks12:43
bob2sageek: try #kubuntu12:44
djm62s/copyright/trademark/12:44
Burgundavia_bob2, thanks12:44
jordanauthanks for the info12:44
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ago73Burgundavia_, in practice if I have external repositories for say xfce2 or debian-marillat  I should use their unstable branch right?12:44
djm62doesn't ubuntu have a similar policy on artwork?12:44
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Burgundavia_ago73, absolutely12:45
sageekbob2 whats kbuntu?12:45
jordanauubuntu with kde12:45
Burgundavia_sageek, kubuntu is the kde version of ubuntu12:45
Hydroxidewhy does ubuntu hoary fail to load the contents of /etc/modules if there is a /proc/ksyms file?12:45
sageekI'm not using kde12:45
sageekgnome.12:45
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|QuaD-sageek: you are using the kde libraries though12:45
Burgundavia_ago73, but mostly, you just need vanilla Ubuntu sources12:45
Hydroxidethat's causing me problems in my rather complicated setup. the culprit is /etc/init.d/module-init-tools12:45
sageekyeah12:45
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zero[] speaking of java.. i'm trying to install the sdk right now12:46
zero[] i installed the runtime succesfully12:46
thr1cei try to load et, and it just freezes at a black screen...12:46
jordanauzero[] , is it compiled or interpreted?12:46
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sageekgnome seems pretty cute, smaller then kde :P12:47
cafuegoHmm.12:47
cafuegoAny suggestions as to a bot name?12:47
sageekevilnerd12:48
sageek;p12:48
zero[] java? it's compiled12:48
tbirda ubuntu bot?12:48
ago73Burgundavia_, thx, I am using external repo only for things I do not find on ubuntu12:48
jordanaucafuego, jordan :D12:48
cafuegotbird: yeh.12:48
cafuegotbird: Just modified blootbot, so it can search ubuntu packages12:48
tbirdkewl12:48
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Burgundavia_ago73, there is a drive to include as much in Ubuntu as possible12:48
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thr1ceno avid ET players here ?12:49
ago73Burgundavia_, I included restricted universe multiverse, I thought that was it. What is this driver thing?12:49
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Burgundavia_ago73,  sorry, not drivers. NA english biting me again. An effort to make every peice of free software available in Ubuntu12:51
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jordanaucafuego, name him FAP :D find any package12:51
nico13hi12:51
jordanaunickrud, hi12:51
euphor] [abusy channel, hello12:51
nickrudjordanau, hey12:51
ago73Burgundavia_, that would be nice, but for the time being I am just adding repos12:51
jordanaunickrud, heloo12:51
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Hydroxideanyone know why I might have no /etc/rcS.d/modutils symlink in ubuntu hoary with the modutils package installed?12:51
nickrudjordanau, :)12:52
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ago73Burgundavia_, the only external one I really need is debian-marillat has its content be incorporated into ubuntu?12:52
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Burgundavia_ago73, hmm, copyright/patent issues with that one12:52
nico13i'm using hoary, and everytime I try to browse my usb hdd, it just hangs, and I never can access its data. is it a known problem?12:52
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zero[] ah okay, download j2sdk1.4, hope it works12:52
zero[] downloading*12:52
zero[] jordanau: do you have previous programming experience?12:53
jordanauzero[] , good luck, one of my college's professors wrote one of the main IDE's for java12:53
euphor] [awhat cool things can i do with my new ubuntu install?12:53
Burgundavia_euphor] [a, not get virii12:53
euphor] [aBurgundavia_, always a bonus12:53
jordanauzero[] , matlab, qbasic, gwbasic, python but none of them well (matlab the best, i took a course in it)12:54
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Burgundavia_euphor] [a, you coming from linuxland or windowsland?12:54
nico13Burgundavia_, i't also true if you have a windows machine unplugged from the sector :)12:54
euphor] [aBurgundavia_, /me cuddles Tux ;)12:54
zero[] jordanau: i know the other 3 are interperted, is matlab also?12:54
jordanaueuphor] [a, yes12:54
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jordanauzero[] , yes12:54
Burgundavia_nico13, and ground up and cast into cement (I am an MCP, I should know these things)12:55
zero[] jordanau: java isn't so difficult, if you have a background in OOP it should be okay12:55
Burgundavia_euphor] [a, enjoy your nice desktop without having to compile anything12:55
jordanauzero[] , i do not know oop12:55
euphor] [aBurgundavia_, i'm looking into ubuntu for a friend, he'd like to get into Linux12:55
nico13lol12:55
vitaminmooWhat's the easiest way to get a rather minimal ubuntu system (requirement: it's chrootable and/or boots) debootstrap seems to install a bunch of stuff I don't need12:55
zero[] jordanau: those classes move pretty fast, maybe you should do some pre-reading for the class12:55
Burgundavia_euphor] [a, I am going to move my family over12:55
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euphor] [aBurgundavia_, the click install was refreshing, it all works out the box :)12:56
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zero[] jordanau: in the university i went to, so many people failed the intro to java class it's not even funny12:56
jordanauzero[] , is classes a pun?12:56
nico13Burgundavia_, is it hald which manages usb hotplug?12:56
Burgundavia_euphor] [a, if you are setting up for a friend, do the restrictedformat and binarydriver stuff12:56
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Burgundavia_nico13, yes12:56
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zero[] jordanau: classes as in courses.. in school.. hehe12:56
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nico13Burgundavia_, does it work ok for you? mine carshes everyday12:57
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Burgundavia_nico13, no problems here. What is the history of your install?12:57
zero[] ah, java sdk works. i love ubuntu and apt-get!!12:57
jordanauzero[] , yeah i aced matlab, i understand the basic loops, knowing the importance or syntax, i can basically use a language as an advanced calculator12:57
euphor] [aBurgundavia_, oki, is there a wiki of unofficial docs for new users on getting started? i hear there are some extra debian servers i can add to apt-get to get the juicy apps12:57
euphor] [as/of/or12:57
Burgundavia_euphor] [a, read www.ubuntu.com/wiki/RestrictedFormats and BinaryDriverHowTo to set up that stuff12:58
nico13well, just a regular hoary preview then updates, but I always had problems with my usb drive12:58
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euphor] [aBurgundavia_, ta12:58
Burgundavia_euphor] [a, the quickguide gives him an overview of all the apps in Ubuntu12:58
Burgundavia_nico13, hmm, tried other distros?12:58
nico13Burgundavia_, I was using gentoo without trouble with this drive, so it isn't a drive problem12:58
Burgundavia_nico13, file a bug12:58
zero[] jordanau: i'm assuming matlab is kinda like python right? java is a bit different, you'll be okay though. i like programming in java better than python (although i'm not so good in python)12:58
jordanauzero[] , one of the courses i will have to take is assebly, yay...12:58
nico13Burgundavia_, yep12:58
jordanauzero[] , matlab is based off of C12:59
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jordanauzero[] , except it is interpreted12:59
zero[] jordanau: assembly, i wanna learn that, hehe. i'll probably learn it when i go back to school12:59
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zero[] jordanau: ohh.. well c is oop, so you know the basic concept right?12:59
jordanauzero[] , no we didn't learn about oop12:59
jordanauzero[] , defining and calling functions is as close to that as i got01:00
zero[] jordanau: OOP is the greatest01:00
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zero[] hehe01:00
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jordanauzero[] , it allows alot of code reuse right?01:00
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flipyis there any way to install ubuntu on a fake-raid?01:01
ago73apt-get update is MUCH faster than usual, this is good, but why?01:01
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chenizhi i need some help, is anyone there?01:02
jordanaucheniz, just ask01:02
synicflipy: yeah, but not full software raid.01:02
Burgundavia_ago73, less load on the servers, as most people have updated to hoary final01:02
synicflipy: full software raid is possible, but you have to do it after installation.01:02
flipyuhm01:02
flipyi can't... i just have one computer with a raid set01:03
chenizi just installed kubuntu-desktop and then kdevelop 3.2. i cant find the linker option in kdevelop01:03
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synicflipy: what do you mean?01:03
Burgundavia_cheniz, you might have a better time at #kubuntu01:03
flipyuhm, i've an amd64 with a via fake raid01:03
chenizi want to include the math.h, but doesnt work. in version 3.0, the linker option was in project options dialogue01:03
synicflipy: oh, so you're not talking about software raid then01:04
flipyso i just one to start installtion01:04
zero[] jordanau: yeah01:04
flipygo to a console01:04
chenizok thanks01:04
flipyand map the partitions01:04
flipyand then let the installer continue01:04
chenizi'll switch to kubuntu01:04
cheniz#kubuntu01:04
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michal_dwhat kernel does the latest ubuntu use?01:04
synic2.6.1001:04
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Chipparncan anyone help me. i have followed this guide http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24575 how to set up a chroot 32 bit environmen, how does it work is i wanna run xmms or mplayer in 32 bit mode? and install w32codecs?01:05
michal_ddoh.. i think i may need 2.6.1101:05
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synichey, it's tbird01:06
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synictbird: how are ya?01:06
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tbirdsup synic long time no see01:06
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tbirdsynic, been good how about you ?01:06
synictbird: indeed.  not much, just converting my last archlinux box to ubuntu01:06
Dragon546hello all01:06
tbirdsynic, kewl01:06
tbirdsynic, im running breezy01:07
synicbreezy ?01:07
tbirdyeah01:07
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synicdidn't hoary just come out? lol01:07
tbirdUbuntu 5.10 "Breezy Badger" Development Branch \n \l01:07
Dragon546has anyone used gyach-e on ubuntu and got it to work with voice01:07
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tbirdsynic, yeah hoary is stable release01:07
tbirdits the recomended install01:08
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pixil9Can you get 5.1 sound with an sb live card?01:08
flipytbird, where can i get that? and the installer has some support for fake-raid, like dmraid?01:08
Moe|Joehi people01:08
Moe|Joei need sum help01:08
RustyShacklefordCan someone help me set up ndisswapper?  I just installed the build essentials.01:08
pixil9Moe|Joe, ask01:08
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flipyRustyShackleford, what do you need to do?01:08
mitzadevilspie: relocation error: devilspie: undefined symbol: _wnck_atom_get01:08
mitzawhat could i do to solve this problem ?01:08
Moe|Joewell im about to format my laptop and put ubuntu on01:08
RustyShacklefordInstall the ndisSwapper01:08
LinuxJonesRustyShackleford,  , >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SetupNdiswrapperHowto01:09
flipyxDDD01:09
Moe|Joeoooooooo01:09
Moe|Joeno worries01:09
Moe|Joei was gona ask about ndiswrapper01:09
nico13'night guys01:09
Moe|Joebt no need now01:09
Moe|Joelol01:09
mitzadevilspie: relocation error: devilspie: undefined symbol: _wnck_atom_get01:09
tbirdFlipy i cannot recomend you install breezy, but if you wont it you can change your entrys in sources.list from hoary to breezy01:09
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nico13Burgundavia_, ciao01:09
tbirdbut like i said i dont recomend it01:09
RustyShacklefordwrapper that is.  Linuxjones, I got that, but I couldn't extract into usr/src01:09
tbirdits not stable01:09
QMarioWhere can I go to paste code?01:09
flipytbird, oks.. :(01:09
euphor] [ano wheel group?01:09
mitzadevilspie: relocation error: devilspie: undefined symbol: _wnck_atom_get01:09
stazzhow can I get syntax hilighting to console-based vim?01:09
QMarioI meant what website.01:10
nickrudstazz: add syntax on to ~/.vimrc01:10
tbirdflipy, ive had no real trouble with it01:10
LinuxJonesRustyShackleford,  you install ndiswrapper from the install cd01:10
flipytbird, the fact is that i thought it had a new installer...01:10
RustyShacklefordWhat install CD?01:10
pixil9Is there an ubuntu floppy install?01:11
tbirdflipy, theres no cds for it i dont think01:11
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pixil9i got an old laptop here :P01:11
LinuxJonesRustyShackleford,  your on a livecd ?01:11
flipyRustyShackleford, why do you want to have the linux source tree to get ndiswrapper working?01:11
stazznickrud: thanks01:11
euphor] [ahow can I su?01:11
tbirdsynic, why dont you ever  come to #linuxfriends anymore?01:11
flipymy system is hanging with linux-image-2.6.1101:11
QMarioI will.01:12
LinuxJoneseuphor] [a, sudo -s (enter your user password) for root prompt01:12
RustyShacklefordI'm just trying to follow the directions.  It says to untar the ndiswrapper tar to /usr/src01:12
mitzadevilspie: relocation error: devilspie: undefined symbol: _wnck_atom_get01:12
euphor] [aLinuxJones, thanks01:12
nickrudmitza, apparently noone knows, try again later01:12
mitzaok01:12
mitza:D01:12
tbirdflipy, mine hangs with 2.6.11 too01:12
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flipytbird, I don't get why...01:13
euphor] [aLinuxJones, can su work too? equiv to wheel group/01:13
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flipyRustyShackleford, why don't you just download the binary and the modules?01:13
tbirdflipy, i get a kernel panic01:13
mklebelhow would i fully remove gnome after an install?01:13
flipytbird, I don't have time to see any log01:13
tbirdabout the root= being wrong01:13
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flipythat's weird01:13
RustyShacklefordI don't know how.  I'm trying to go by these damn directions.01:13
tbirdand its exact to the 2.6.1001:13
flipyso maybe it's a bad compilation of the kernel?01:14
nickrudmklebel, apt-get remove --purge libglib2.0-001:14
tbirdflipy, but im sure it has something to do with running breezy01:14
LinuxJoneseuphor] [a, it can but Ubuntu uses sudo and there is really no need to enable the root account01:14
flipytbird, well, I tried it in two laptops and they hang with 2.6.1101:14
tbirdflipy, oh01:15
nickrudeuphor] [a, it feels weird for a while, but you get used to it01:15
zero[] is there an easy way to edit the Applications menu?01:15
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euphor] [aLinuxJones, you cannot login as root?01:15
LinuxJoneseuphor] [a, a little more info for you >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo01:15
euphor] [anickrud, heh, yeah01:15
psolekohello01:15
euphor] [aLinuxJones, thanks01:16
LinuxJoneseuphor] [a,  have fun :)01:16
LinuxJoneszero[] , search the ubuntu forums for meuneditor01:16
euphor] [aLinuxJones, cheers ;)01:16
zero[] i thought i can nautlius to applications:/// but it doesn't work01:16
Chipparnwhat do i have to do if i wanna run 32 bit apps in my 64bit horay. i have allredy followed a guide to do a chroot 32bit enviroment, where do i go from here? do i need to "switch" from 64bit to 32 bit mode or something like that?01:16
zero[] linuxjones; k01:16
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euphor] [aChipparn, you'll have to chroot into your 32bit environment01:17
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RustyShacklefordHow do I untar something to the /usr/src directory?01:18
Chipparneuphor] [a: ok.. how do i do that? dchroot -d?01:18
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zenroxRustyShackleford,  be in that dir then do sudo tar -xzvf somefile.tar.gz01:18
nickrudRustyShackleford, cd to /usr/src, sudo tar xf <apthtotarfile>01:18
fateisajesterdoes any one here use xpde?01:18
pixil9Does anyone know if i can floppy install ubuntu?01:19
nickrudRustyShackleford, z for tar.gz, j for tar.bz201:19
Moe|Joe(pixil9): dont tink u can01:19
krusbjorncan you afford the floppy discs needed? ;)01:19
ironwolf_pixil9: not that I've ever heard of.01:19
pixil9that sucks01:19
euphor] [aChipparn, i'm new to ubuntu, but usually it would be something like 'linux32 chroot /your/32bit/sys /bin/bash --login'01:19
ironwolf_pixil9: do you not have a cdrom drive?01:20
pixil9its for an old laptop.. p1 233 no cdrom01:20
zero[] LinuxJones: cool, i got it working01:20
cyphasepixil9: you could try network install01:20
psolekohowabout a pcmcia cdrom?01:20
Moe|Joe(pixil9): network install?01:20
pixil9can i start a net install by floppy?01:20
cyphaselol01:20
sageekgod i like ubuntu so much! :o01:20
] BreliC[anyone know what a /.dev is?01:20
pixil9sageek: me too. i just switched from my manual setup on debian01:21
] BreliC[it shows up in my 'df -h' now?01:21
sageekI just moved from slackware01:21
sageekand i loved slackware very much01:21
cyphasesageek: Ubuntu is god01:21
sageekand ubuntu is so.. hooo. amazing!01:21
sageekI AGREE!01:21
Moe|Joei moved from fedora01:21
goldfishsageek: do u prefer it over slackware?01:21
Moe|Joejus was interested in wht this is like01:21
sageekofcourse!01:21
sageekIt has lots of updates, and quick ones01:21
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] BreliC[I moved from SuSE01:21
nickrud] BreliC[, it's the old /dev, replaced by the new /dev (managed by udev)01:22
sageekdesktop looks amazing without even touching it01:22
cyphaseUbuntu is king of desktops, and Debian is king of servers01:22
sageekFGLRX EVEN WORKS GOOD!01:22
krusbjornwhat is the command to insert something at the end of a file, like "[command]  This is now the last line in the file." ?01:22
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cyphasealthough you can use Ubuntu for servers01:22
pixil9i prefer freebsd for servers01:22
] BreliC[nickrud, is it something i should worry about?01:22
Moe|Joealthou i am currently on a windows machine...i wana get my laptop on ubuntu coz it runs really smooth01:22
cyphasewell, i'm talking linux01:22
sageekso far01:22
sageekDAMN GOOD01:22
sageek:)01:22
cyphasei don't have much experience with the BSD's01:22
nickrud] BreliC[, no, and debian is discussing how to hide it better01:22
goldfishkrusbjorn: you could do , echo "blah" >>file01:22
goldfish*>> file01:22
] BreliC[nickrud, ok, thanks for the info01:22
krusbjorngoldfish: thanks :)01:22
goldfishnp01:23
Moe|Joeooo thts a point...anyone recommend a good distro for a webserver?01:23
goldfishnetbsd01:23
goldfish:)01:23
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Moe|Joeeasy to use?01:23
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goldfishmmmm01:23
goldfishUbuntu ? :)01:23
sageeki was wondering like 10 hours ago if i should go with ubuntu, like its new to me and so01:23
pixil9Moe|Joe: freebsd is easy. grab the mini install01:23
sageeknow i'm sure, its freaking good ;p01:23
Moe|Joelol01:23
Moe|Joeokie01:23
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rijihow to use "mount" to mount a ntfs partiTon?01:27
psolekoDoes anyone know of any hardware monitoring software for an nforce301:27
MidnightDevilmount -t ntfs ?01:27
] BreliC[riji, mount -t ntfs01:27
pixil9riji: which hard drive is it on?01:27
rijihdb01:27
] BreliC[mount /dev/hdxY /place/to/mount -t ntfs01:27
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RustyShacklefordCan somebody help me with #5?  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SetupNdiswrapperHowto/view?searchterm=ndis01:30
rijiit says "the mountpoint /media/windisk doesn't exist"01:30
pixil9http://images.koffer.ee/uploads/a799142535.png01:31
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pixil9that's sweet instead of the little footprint01:31
nickrudriji, you need to mkdir /media/windisk first.01:31
rijigahh01:31
rijithx01:31
nickrudriji, don't you love those blind spots :)01:31
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rijigrr :)01:32
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rijihmm iss there a way too ad apps to the "gimp-start_menu"?01:33
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scottpixil9: is that your screenshot?01:33
pixil9no01:35
pixil9i just grabbed the pngs for that tho01:35
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snatchis the root password set on installation?01:35
nickrudsnatch, no root password :)01:35
scottpixil9: do you know how to change the gnome-panel icon like that?01:35
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snatchoh ;)01:35
cyphaseyou can set it though01:36
nickruduse sudo or sudo -s01:36
snatchsu doesnt work huh?01:36
nickrudyou'll get used to it01:36
snatchcrazy01:36
pixil9scott: sec01:36
djonessnatch: the password is the same as the first user you set up01:36
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jreuterDoes anyone know of a good mp3 player?  I've installed XMMS from the package manager but it hangs.  Installed Zinf from command line, but can't figure out how to start it... any help would be great!01:36
snatchnot working djones01:37
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sageekhrm for some reason when i try to run evolution it doesn't run, and on console when i type evolution it says es menu class init01:37
sageekand nothing occurs01:37
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scottjreuter: I like totem, rhythmbox and muine01:37
jreutertotem isn't working either01:37
jreuterI'll try rhythmbox ...01:37
cyphasejreuter: whats the problem?01:37
snatchno pw doesnt work either, i cant login as root at the login screen01:37
jreuternot sure01:37
cyphasejreuter: with totem01:37
jreuterah ... it gives me an error like it can't read the file01:38
nickrudsnatch, you cannot use root account with a standard install01:38
Seibolanyone know of a good pdf password craker for linux out there?01:38
jreuterdoes the same with avi01:38
SeibolI just need read-only access to the file01:38
cyphasejreuter: try installing the appropriate gstreamer plugins01:38
djonessnatch, su with your primary user pass01:38
jreuterok.01:38
djonessnatch, once su you can create a password for root with 'passwd root'01:39
snatchokay01:39
snatchlet me try that01:39
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snatchthanks djones01:39
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djonessnatch: :)01:40
rijidjones: what? i can't login with mi pw as su :S01:40
rijimi=my :S01:40
djonesyeah, its weird, I'm not sure why they did it this way01:40
djonesonce you create a root password you can login as root, but su doesn't work very well from multipule accounts01:41
rijihave tried all pwds i had01:41
nickrudriji, try sudo passwd root01:41
TwiggyAnybody know the cdrecord command to burn a .bin and .cue as a full cd?01:41
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PacoBCNTwiggy, didn't even know .bin and .cue were supported by cdrecord :S01:42
thierry_Twiggy, I'm searching it too, since gnomebaker doesn't support .bin and .cue01:42
cafuegoPacoBCN: Theyre not, really. You use cdrdao for them.01:42
GuruFFlo, quick question i have upgraded to Hoary, question i have ubuntu-desktop package not installed (just realized) what is that package, description is not descriptive????????01:42
PacoBCNou can also use bchunk to convert bin/cue CD-images to iso...01:42
PacoBCNfrom google01:43
cafuegoPacoBCN: Yes, but that is not bin/cue support in cdrecord01:43
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thierry_Twiggy, I know k3b can also do it but I don't know how to install it on ubuntu01:43
TwiggyPacoBCN:  I did it once, it's was frieken huge but it works01:43
nickrudGuruFF, ubuntu desktop is the selection of packages the ubuntu developers think you need.01:43
PacoBCNcafuego, I know, that's what I say01:43
hyphenatedwhat the... some evolution setup screen just came up for no decent reasin, trying to email 'dotslash at snosoft.com'01:44
jreutercyphase:  I installed all the gstreamer plugins ... it still says there were no decoders found01:44
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elderichi there :)01:45
nickrudjreuter, do you have universe enabled in your repositories?01:45
jreuterumm ... not sure... let me check01:45
eldericdoes anyone have problems with memory recognition on hoary 5.04? kernel is 2.6.1001:45
GuruFFnickrud; yeah, but what does it do ?? ubuntu-desktop and ubuntu-live ????01:45
eldericI got 1.5 gb ram, but it only recognizes about 101:45
eldericand lists about 400 mb as inactive01:46
eldericcould someone explain to me what that means?01:46
nickrudubuntu-desktop is a 'meta-package', it just depends on other packages.01:46
nickrudinstall it, and it installs all the packages it depends on.01:46
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Moe|Joeim guess tht rpm's dont work on ubuntu then01:46
nickrudif you want, you can remove it as soon as the install's done.01:46
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jreuternickrud: Where would I see that... I'm in repositories, but I don't see anything that says universe... not in setting either01:47
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amonkeyhow can i alt-tab out of games like ut2004 too change the song on xmms or the like?01:47
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nickrudjreuter, hit the add button, then check Community supported (universe)01:49
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] BreliC[ablyss, nice :)01:49
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FR500hello01:49
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cartel_hey all01:49
jreuterok01:49
cartel_does ubuntu have issues reading joliet/rockridge?01:50
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synicanyone using ndiswrapper on hoary?01:50
ablyssthanks :)01:50
cartel_is it not included?01:50
synicI keep getting "operation not permitted" when I modprobe ndiswrapper01:50
nickrudjreuter, now you'll some gstreamer plugins.01:50
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nickruduninstalled ones :)01:50
FR500is there a way to use load balancing in two internet links i have?cd vmware-distrib/01:51
FR500is there a way to use load balancing in two internet links i have?01:51
Moe|Joe(ablyss): u got mIRC running on ubuntu?01:52
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behhow can i make xterm transparent01:54
FR500beh, settings--preferences--text box01:54
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jordanaugo to profiles01:54
FR500beh, transparent background01:55
behFR500 im talking about xterm not gnomes terminal01:55
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FR500ohhh01:55
FR500ok01:55
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FR500sorry01:55
behnp01:56
behive done before can't remember now01:56
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Seibolanyone know of a pdf password bypasser/cracker for linux01:57
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nickrudbeh, are you sure it was xterm, and not eterm or aterm?01:57
] BreliC[does anyone know how to tell the 'sox' program to use my lame encoder?01:57
sigman xterm01:58
sigit is in the man page01:58
] BreliC[i'm trying to convert my recorded guitar jams from .wav to .mp3 using lame encoder (which I have installed) using sox01:58
behnickrud i know it wasnt eterm01:58
newbie_hey guys, how come when i kill a process with xkill, i cant not open the program again, untill i restart01:58
behmaybe aterm01:58
behfor some reason i remember doing it on both01:58
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] BreliC[it works fine in converting to .ogg without specifying the location of ogg encoder.. anyone have a clue?01:58
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nickrudbeh, sig says it's in the man page, but searching for trans finds nothing :)01:59
behnewbie_ try killall -9 programname02:00
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slappy16nickrud: whats the question?02:00
siggoogle it02:00
nickrudslappy16, making an xterm transparent02:00
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slappy16ohh..its in the man.. :)02:00
mikecoisn't it -t02:01
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MidnightDevilheya02:01
MidnightDevila basic question02:01
slappy16you're right02:01
MidnightDevilhow do i burn a bin file to a cd?02:01
MidnightDevilusing command line?02:01
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slappy16wtf..aterm and Eterm had it in man02:01
sigtype this in a terminal beh xterm -transparency 20002:01
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behsig i tried02:02
behsig you got that from google lol02:02
behsig transparency isnt a valid option02:02
slappy16no kid02:02
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R0bNycHello, anyone can provide me the 2.10 aloth repository sources.list02:03
sigbeh: yeah just reading that xterm has nothing for transparency02:03
slappy16aterm, or Eterm02:03
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slappy16they do it..and its in man!02:03
mikecoyou could use composite extension to make it transparent02:04
nickrudthought I was loosing my mind :)02:04
] BreliC[MidnightDevil, do a 'man cdrdao'02:04
behill get aterm02:04
mikecothat way it would be real trans02:04
Moe|Joeim havin a problem installing ndiswrapper02:04
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fgxhello, im experiencing some problems with firefox 1.0.2 in hoary.02:04
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fgxis a log for firefox available?02:05
GUISlaveHey Tony.  :)02:05
Moe|Joe"/bin/sh: line 1:fakeroot: command not found"02:05
Andrilhell all again02:05
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Seibolonly need read-only access to the pdf02:05
Andrilhelo*02:05
Andrildamn *hello02:05
nickrudMoe|Joe, apt-get install fakeroot02:05
Moe|Joek02:05
SeibolSLAPPY!02:05
fgxfirefox seems to crash/freeze when loading sites with flash contents02:06
AndrilI am having booting back into my ubuntu drive after changing the cdrom - is this something familiar?02:06
maddlerfgx... on a 64bit processor?02:06
] BreliC[fgx it's probably because you don't have flash installed.. or do you?02:06
delltonywhere can one get mplayer now or is it long gone? i added the old repositories and did a apt-update and see mplayer-368 and all in the list however when i try to install i get the good ol dependency errors like folks have reported on the forums however i don't know how to get around them. or is mplayer dead?02:06
Moe|Joe(nickrud): it aint working..02:06
fgxmaddler, ] BreliC[ flash is installed and it is on 32bit cpu02:06
maddlerfgx... did u used the deb package? or download from macromedia?02:07
Moe|Joe"E: Couldn't find package linux-headers-uname -r'02:07
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bob2delltony: get rid of your marillat source, it's in multiverse02:07
bob2Moe|Joe: yes, you spelt it wrong02:07
delltonyaww ok02:07
Moe|Joe?02:07
Moe|Joewhere to?02:08
Moe|Joelol02:08
delltonydidn't realize it was in there now thanks02:08
bob2Moe|Joe: sudo apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`02:08
LinuxJonesMoe|Joe, linux-headers-$(uname -r)02:08
darkauditdelltony: I built my own .deb from the original source pkg... the developers suggest one builds their own...02:08
AndrilI am really loving Hoary - but I am having issues with booting into my drive - I get "Error2" - any help?02:08
fgxmaddler, mmm i use same flash plugin i used with previous firefox in warty. i installed it from macromedia02:08
bob2the developers are on crack, though02:08
bob2best to ignore them when they say things like that02:09
maddlerfgx... dunno then...02:09
sigfgx: get the flash plugin from ubuntuguide.org02:09
darkauditdelltony: http://www.princessleia.com/MPlayer.html02:09
delltonythanks02:09
mikecobeh, http://alexis.myphotos.cc/trans-e16.png02:10
mikecogah02:10
darkauditnot all those switches are necessary, or will even work these days, though...02:10
Moe|Joeso wot do i type then to this then?02:10
Timbohttp://www.imagine-msn.com/Spaces/Default.aspx <--- worrying?02:10
Andrilhas anyone used teh PPC version on the g3 ibook yet?02:10
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Moe|Joedont worry02:11
Moe|Joeworking now02:11
Moe|Joe:)02:11
jreuterI've downloaded several plugins and players for mp3s but I'm not getting "could not open resource for writing"  ... ?02:11
jreuter*now02:11
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nickrudjreuter, gstreamer0.8-mad02:11
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slappy16SEIBOL!02:11
darkauditdelltony: the main thing you need off that page is the list of packages to install... there are Debian instructions included with the source02:11
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doubleplusWould the K7 kernel or the 386 be better for a K8 system?02:12
imperfect-Anyone know the process by whcih I can find out what kind of sound card I have on this board?02:12
imperfect-It's built in.02:12
bob2doubleplus: the k8 one would be best02:12
jreuternickrud:  That one is installed02:12
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b2sdoubleplus: I'm using the k8 kernel :P02:12
doubleplusbob2, I don't see a k8 package, and I'd like to stay away from custom kernels02:12
nickrudjreuter, and rhythmbox won't play mp3s?02:12
Timbogstreamer0.8-mad02:13
doubleplusimperfect-, do you know what motherboard you have?02:13
mikecoget all of gstreamer02:13
bob2doubleplus: you're not using the amd64 port of ubuntu?02:13
jreuterI think rhythmbox is the only one I haven't tried... let me check02:13
doubleplusbob2, no sir02:13
mikecoit's a small package anyway02:13
imperfect-doubleplus: LGA775 Intel of some description... lemme see if I Cna find the box02:13
Timbojreuter: and you restarted rhythmbox after installing gstreamer0.8-mad?02:13
doubleplusbob2, I want wine, and I was pretty sure that doesn't work with 64-bit kernels yet02:14
RustyShacklefordCan somebody help me with #1 in the installing windows driver part?  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SetupNdiswrapperHowto/view?searchterm=ndis02:14
jreuterhmmm ... I'm using KDE, does rhythmbox work in KDE?02:14
b2sdoubleplus: you could run a 64bit base OS with a 32bit chroot...02:14
jreuterit doesn't show up in my list of apps02:14
nickruddoh!02:14
imperfect-doubleplus : Yeah, Intel D915GAG -- all it says is "Intel High Definition Audio"02:14
doubleplusb2s, I have no idea what that means :)02:14
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nickrudjreuter, ask on #kubuntu :)02:15
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jreuterah... ok02:15
imperfect-0403: Intel Corp. 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 03)02:15
fazerHi, can someone point me to an article/howto/tutoitral that makes Linux faster .  had to do with the HD something, forgot the command.02:15
imperfect-That's what lspci says02:15
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imperfect-fazer: prolly hdparam02:15
doubleplusimperfect-, Realtek ALC86002:15
fgxsig, ok done. hope it will work smoothly. is there a log file available for firefox?02:15
mikecoyeah, turn on dma i'm guessing02:15
doubleplusimperfect-, I'd think the generic oboard audio driver would be fine. what's the problem?02:16
fazerimperfect-: ah, there we go!  Have you used it?02:16
b2sdoubleplus: :) it means you'd install a full copy of the 64bit os as your main OS, and then only the things that require 32bit in a seperate area.  the k8 CPU can run both at the same time, you just need to have it seperated for the libraries02:16
mikecohdparm -d 1 /dev/hdx or whatnot02:16
doubleplusb2s, would the only advantage be improved performance?02:16
pixil9How can i make my user be abe to access a mounted ntfs partition02:16
imperfect-doubleplus : It doesn't work at all ;)02:16
imperfect-doubleplus : isn't detected etc.02:17
imperfect-fazer: yeah, you prolly just wanna turn in DMA and stuff02:17
LinuxJonespixil9, that info is here >> www.ubuntuguide.org02:18
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b2sdoubleplus: yeah basically.  I'm trying to think of something else good, but I can't. :)02:18
doubleplusb2s, lol. I think I'll just stick with 32-bit for now02:19
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b2spixil9: need to adjust mount options probably.  you mean read-only right?02:19
imperfect-hrm.02:19
imperfect-Is there a sound configuration utility that ships w/ hoary?02:19
doubleplusso out of k7, 386, and 586 architectures, which do you think would perform best for my k8?02:19
b2sdoubleplus: I stayed 32bit until hoary, but since it finally supports all my hardware I decided to at least try 64bit.02:19
imperfect-doubleplus : the amd optimizations will probably be the closest.02:20
fazerimperfect-: try 'alsamixer'02:20
imperfect-fazer: that's only going to work if I have a sound card that's working ;)02:20
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b2sdoubleplus: I'd think probably 686 or k7 would be the best bet. k8 has more features than k7, so 686 might be better...02:20
doubleplusb2s, yeah I tried the 64bit Fedora Core 3 last year, and it was hell, so I figured I'd stay with 32-bit for a while and avoid a few headaches02:20
fazerimperfect-: 0h, are you on  a laptop?02:20
doubleplusthanks for the advice, guys02:21
busfahrerdoubleplus: If you want to optimise an application for K8 but 32 bits, you can use -march=athlon-xp -msse202:21
imperfect-fazer: nope, desktop02:21
fazerimperfect-: hmm, ah, i see02:21
doubleplusbusfahrer, are those boot parameters?02:21
fazerimperfect-: ah, i see.02:22
fazerimperfect-: i went through hell to configure *my* couns card, it was on a laptopp02:22
busfahrerdoubleplus: Nevermind, I think I misunderstood.02:22
fazerbah, i don't know why I wrote *my* ..02:23
imperfect-fazer: is there a utility?02:23
imperfect-fazer: it doesn't even seem to scan for it.02:23
doubleplusimperfect-, I used xmms to detect my sound cards, lol02:23
fazerimperfect-: oh, damn, it doesn't pick up on lspci?02:24
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imperfect-doubleplus:hehe02:24
imperfect-fazer: it's there02:24
fazerimperfect-: hmm, can't help you there sadly, mine showed in lspci but still needed much configing.02:24
imperfect-fazer: But I have no sound ;)02:24
imperfect-And I dont know what chipset it is02:24
imperfect-so I can't even try to insert modules02:24
imperfect-;)02:24
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dockanehi all ... i ve got a question to xpdf / acroreader: i created with OOo under window$ a 2 coloumn page. i managed to print this page to din a4 with the the function "export to pdf.." and then printed it from acrobat reader "no page allignment". that gave a fine result: both coloumns did not get cut at their side or anything else funky. now i would like to repeat that with ubuntu but both xpdf and acroreader print funky pages i.e. the 2nd colo02:25
dockaneumn gets at the right by 2 cm. i got a workaround in window$, no i am looking for one in ubuntu02:25
fazerimperfect-: what is the name of the scound card that lspci shows?02:25
dockane*gets cut02:25
imperfect-fazer: 0403: Intel Corp. 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 03)02:26
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mikecohow different is breezy from hoary?02:27
nickrudmikeco, broken vs working :)02:27
mikecowell, yes, but i  mean libs02:27
mikecolibs, drivers02:28
punehey I've just downloaded a .bin file and ubuntu gives me an error that says it's unrecognized? Does anyone know how it can be recognized02:28
b2shas anyone played with Xen on Ubunutu?02:28
fazerimperfect-: are you on gnome? Do you see a volume controler on the taskbar?02:28
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fazerpune: are you launching it from the command line?02:28
Moe|Joe|Lhi02:28
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Moe|Joe|Ltis moejoe here02:28
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Moe|Joe|Li got an error02:28
nickrudmikeco, not much yet, they're still syncing with debian.02:28
imperfect-fazer: nope.. no sound02:28
Moe|Joe|Lroot@Jon-Lap:/usr/src # dpkg -i --force-overwrite ndiswrapper-modules-2.6.10-5-686_1.1-1_i386.deb02:28
Moe|Joe|Ldpkg: error processing ndiswrapper-modules-2.6.10-5-686_1.1-1_i386.deb (--install):02:28
Moe|Joe|L cannot access archive: No such file or directory02:28
Moe|Joe|LErrors were encountered while processing:02:28
Moe|Joe|L ndiswrapper-modules-2.6.10-5-686_1.1-1_i386.deb02:28
punefazer, no, just from the desktop where it was downloaded to02:28
Moe|Joe|Li get tht error wen i type this command02:28
Moe|Joe|Ldpkg -i --force-overwrite ndiswrapper-modules-2.6.10-5-686_1.1-1_i386.deb02:29
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fazerpune: launch it from the command line02:29
Moe|Joe|Lcan anyone help me02:29
Moe|Joe|L?02:29
fazerpune: make sure its chmodded properly and type ./file_name.bin02:29
chrisg_how do i configure bittorrent setup?02:29
nickrudMoe|Joe|L, sounds like the deb is not in the directory you're working in.02:30
Moe|Joe|Lhmm02:30
punefazer, how do you chmodd it?02:30
slappy16chmox +x filename02:30
slappy16chmod02:30
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iNdRohi02:31
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iNdRohow i can display a line from a text file?02:31
puneok02:31
iNdRoin shell02:31
Moe|Joe|Looo it done now02:31
iNdRoanyone know that?02:31
slappy16display a line?02:31
slappy16one line? many?02:31
bpuccioiNdRo: cat file.txt | grep <word found in the line>02:31
iNdRoyes02:31
iNdRoone line02:31
iNdRoi dont want search the file02:31
iNdRoi want display one line02:31
slappy16do you want to grep?02:32
nickrudgrep <some string in the line> file02:32
slappy16which line?02:32
tbirdcat /some/file |grep <whatever>02:32
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slappy16a random line?02:32
chrisg_anyone know how to configure gnome-btdownload ports ?02:32
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iNdRoto example: line 302:32
iNdRofrom file blah.txt02:32
slappy16damn,...why do i know this02:32
Moe|Joe|Lwot windows driver do i need to use for my wifi adapter02:32
nickrudslappy16, nurd02:32
slappy16do you want to vi it? or you want line three for sure02:32
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iNdRoi want display it in shell02:33
slappy16a nurd?02:33
iNdRolike cat but there i cannot show only one line02:33
cyphasei just tried to remove the laptop-detect package in 5.04, and it removed all kinds of other packages. anyone know why it does this?02:33
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nickrudslappy16, nerd in disguise :)02:33
chrisg_i think you can do that using vim ex mode02:33
iNdRohow i can do that?02:33
copilotMy monitor was recognized in warty, but not in hoary. I can't use any resolutions about 1024x768 even though my monitor and video card support much higher resolutions.02:33
copilotabout=above02:33
copilotany ideas?02:34
iNdRochrisg_ i want display it on the shell02:34
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iNdRonot in a tool02:34
slappy16IndRo: head -3 <filename> | tail -102:34
iNdRoi want read out a line02:34
nickrudcopilot, just exactly what monitor do you have02:34
iNdRofor a kommander script02:34
slappy16IndRo: head -3 <filename> | tail -102:34
copilotSamsung SyncMaster 955df02:34
iNdRoyes thats it, thx slappy:)02:34
nickrudgoogle for it, along with horizontal refresh02:35
slappy16np02:35
nickrudthe monitor, that is02:35
copilotI have the horiz and vert rates set correctly, but the highest resolution I can get out of it is 1024x768.02:36
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Moe|Joe|Largh i got a problem installing a windows driver02:37
nickrudcopilot, take a look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log. It will have some lines like 'Default mode', see what it says.02:37
Moe|Joe|Lroot@Jon-Lap:~ # ndiswrapper -i ~/windows_drivers/NETCG54L.INF02:37
Moe|Joe|Lnetcg54l is already installed. Use -e to remove it02:37
Moe|Joe|Lroot@Jon-Lap:~ # modprobe ndiswrapper02:37
Moe|Joe|LFATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-386/kernal/drivers/net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko): Operation not permitted02:37
Moe|Joe|Lroot@Jon-Lap:~ #02:37
bob2use sudo02:38
nickrudMoe|Joe|L, sudo modprobe02:38
iNdRoslappy16: do you know how i save the output in a variable?02:38
bob2not sure why you created a root account at all02:38
slappy16uh..  you cant pipe it into a var?02:38
Raven_kde is putting a message at the top left. It says things every time I activate a window. I want to get rid of it. Maybe a debugging tool I turned on by mistake.02:38
Raven_Please help! It is driving me crazy!02:38
Raven_"The KDE Windows Manager moveend", in one example02:38
iNdRotest=head -$count test.txt | tail -102:38
iNdRo-bash: -3: command not found02:38
Raven_"The KDE Windows Manager movestart", is a second example02:38
iNdRoslappy16: not possible?!02:38
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bob2iNdRo: why did you start it with a '-'?02:39
beanican't install mplayer02:39
bob2Raven_: #kubuntu02:39
puneRaven_, what are you trying to get to work?02:39
slappy16export VAR= `head -3 file | tail -1`02:39
slappy16if its bash02:39
iNdRobob2 in $count is a number02:39
bob2bean: remove the marillat lines from your sources.list02:39
iNdRoits bash, thanks:)02:39
beani am new to linux...used windows02:39
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bob2iNdRo: indeed, but then your command is invalid02:39
slappy16ya, exports your dood02:39
bob2iNdRo: do what slappy16 said02:39
amonkeylol, new to linux, only have used bsd02:39
slappy16so what if bsd is mature +30 years!02:40
amonkeyseriously, what else would you be uncomfortable coming from02:40
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Raven_I have tryed kunbuntu but no help non on kde ether.02:40
Moe|Joe|Lnickrud, same error :(02:40
slappy16minux02:40
slappy16plan 902:40
slappy16pesos02:40
slappy16vax02:40
Raven_I just want that little window to stop popping up each time I use a window.02:40
slappy16anyone...anyone?02:40
beanhmmmm.... you would have to tell me this stuff like to a retard02:40
slappy16thats no P.C.02:41
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beani tried changing the line in terminal02:41
nickrudMoe|Joe|L, that's what I02:41
nickruddo02:41
beannothing happened02:41
Raven_the little window seems to say what C++ call is being used02:42
] BreliC[hmm, anyone know offhand how to truncate the file extension in a bash file conversion script?02:42
slappy16basename?02:42
slappy16basename02:42
Raven_for example if I move the firefox window is says movestart and then moveend02:42
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hyphenated] BreliC[: ${variable%.ext}02:43
] BreliC[i basically have 'for i in $(ls); do sox $i $i.ogg; done'02:43
] BreliC[hyphenated, ok, so the % will truncate the extension?02:43
fazerpune: did it work now?02:43
narg_Hrm, does cron work for most peaple (when sudoing/root), or is it just me that it gives uid errors to?02:43
hyphenated] BreliC[: uh.. no. you have to say what the extension is02:43
Raven_any ideas anyone?02:43
hyphenated] BreliC[: it's not magic, y'know :-)02:43
slappy16cron works well02:44
slappy16yep02:44
] BreliC[hyphenated, heh02:44
narg_hrm...02:44
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narg_I assumed it was messed because of sudo scheme.02:44
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slappy16BreliC: i think you want to basename so you dont end up with file.wav.ogg or file.mp3.ogg02:44
narg_hrm, Ill create the root account and see if it it works. I like root more than sudo anyways...02:44
hyphenated] BreliC[: eg: if they are .mp3 files, you'd do ${i%.mp3}.ogg to change the name from file.mp3 to file.ogg02:44
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slappy16ohh, good one hyphenated02:45
copilotI must be dyslexic, inverted the sizes.. I was trying to get 1024x1280 to work instead of 1280x102402:45
] BreliC[hyphenated, hmm, i think i didn't describe my problem correctly.  slappy16 described my problem02:45
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] BreliC[it converts from .wav to .ogg but makes it file.wav.ogg02:46
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slappy16ya, you need basename02:46
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punefazer, yeah, thanks alot02:46
] BreliC[slappy16, how do i use basename?  is that a command?02:47
hyphenatedbasename won't help02:47
slappy16eh ? why not?02:47
slappy16basename strips suffixes02:47
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slappy16why wont it work?02:47
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hyphenatedwell, you have to specify the suffix02:47
slappy16or i in *.mp3.mp3 ; do n=`basename "$i" .mp3.mp3` mv "$i" "$n".mp3 done02:47
slappy16thats a cut'n'paste02:48
nickrud`basename $file .prn`.jpg02:48
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] BreliC[nickrud, but i would have to strip the suffix before the sox conversion, no?02:49
slappy16for file in *.mp3; do sox $file `basename $file .mp3`.ogg; done;02:49
nickrudsee slappy02:49
] BreliC[slappy16, thanks.  i'll try that02:49
slappy16ya..i hate waves...i had to use it for that, once02:50
slappy16i need to buff up on my commandline02:50
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] BreliC[slappy16, what's worse is that the .wav that my mp3 player saves too is a weird format02:50
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slappy16what are you using? grip?02:50
smobash's inbuilt can sometimes look so much tidier.  "${file/mp3/ogg}"  does the same trick02:50
slappy16nice, smo!02:51
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usualwhat would I change hoary to in sources.list to use the current unstable branch02:51
Burgundavia_usual, breezy02:51
usualk02:51
slappy16hey smo, whats the syntax for inline?02:51
Burgundavia_usual, but not recommended02:51
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StRgthi all02:52
chillywillyis it safe to run breezy?02:52
StRgthow do I install java in ubuntu?02:52
usualBurgundavia_, is it currently borked?02:52
dockanei am getting annoyed by this stuff: i am really sorry that the page i created with OOo was not standard DIN A4 but with the "workaround"  for printing through pdf export and acrobat reader it worked fine with window$. here with ubuntu the same way does not work: printing with OOo, xdpf and acroreader gives funky pages. maybe thats because i installed my kyocera as a postscript printer, i dont know02:52
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chillywillycause I was told they would be breakin things with a sync to debian sid02:52
Burgundavia_usual, mostly just a sync from debian sid at this point02:52
usualahh02:52
usuali'll hold off02:52
fazerhas anyone here used hdparm ?02:52
usualthanks02:52
slappy16slightly02:52
usualI found my dvd's play choppy unless I set hdparm -d 102:53
chillywillyfazer: sure02:53
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chillywillyusual: yea you usually have to turn DMA on02:53
fazerchillywilly: is it any good?02:53
chillywillyhuh?02:53
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chillywillyit's a tool for tweak HD and DVD player performance02:53
RustyShacklefordHow do I extract a tar to home?02:53
chillywillytweaking02:53
chillywillytweaking all IDE drives and maybe some others...02:54
slappy16depends on how it was tar'd rusty02:54
] BreliC[RustyShackleford, from your home directory, usually 'tar zxvf tarfilename.tar.gz'02:54
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slappy16you can use -P to strip the absolute path02:54
mkedwardsThe aacraid driver is not on the hoary amd64 install CD.  Is there a quick-and-easy remedy for this (boot install CD with "expert" mode, apt-get install linux-2.6.11.x-amd64-with-aacraid, modprobe aacraid, etc.) or will I need to roll a new install CD to get to root-on-hardware-RAID?02:54
RustyShacklefordGzipped Tar02:54
slappy16do a -t to see how it will extract02:55
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nickrudslappy16, -P, thanks02:55
hyphenatedsmo: that format will break if the file is called my_cool_mp3_file.mp302:55
slappy16hey heyphenated, how are you invoking that?02:55
slappy16^e^02:55
hyphenatedsladen: invoking what?02:55
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hyphenatedoops, I meant slappy1602:56
slappy16heh.np...what are you using to reproduce what smo did?02:56
RustyShacklefordI tried what Brelic said and it said no such fike02:56
slappy16make sure the file exists02:56
hyphenatedslappy16: a bash shell, a variable, and the echo command02:56
slappy16lol02:56
slappy16okaaaaa02:56
hyphenatedslappy16: eg: variable=something_to_test; echo ${variable/foo/bar}02:56
RustyShacklefordWhere do I need to put the tar file?02:56
slappy16a gun, a badge, and a ton of crooks02:56
nickrudRustyShackleford, you can keep it anywhere02:57
slappy16rusty: is it a .tar.gz or just .tar ?02:57
hyphenatedslappy16: a rubber band, a paperclip and three used matches02:57
slappy16hah02:57
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RustyShacklefordtar.gz02:57
slappy16-ztvf?02:57
] BreliC[RustyShackleford, where is the file?02:57
dockaneis there an OOo here on freenode ?02:57
RustyShacklefordIts on my desktop right now.02:57
dockane*channel02:57
slappy16rusty, make sure your path is correct02:58
slappy16and you have perms02:58
fazerWhat does single user mode mean?02:58
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] BreliC[RustyShackleford, ok so from your home directory, it would be 'tar zxvf ~/Desktop/filename.tar.gz'02:58
slappy16fazer: single user mode run level?02:58
fazerslappy16: yeah... i think02:58
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fazerslappy16: I am reading this, so I was wondering: http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/lpt/a/27202:59
slappy16no networking, no X02:59
thr1cewhere can I edit my gnome menu ?02:59
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slappy16so you can only log in from console02:59
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thr1cei want to remove a whole catagory under applications02:59
fazerslappy16: oh, i see02:59
fazerthanks03:00
nickrudfazer, its so you have a way to boot in and fix things at the lowest leve03:00
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nickrudlevel03:00
hypnothr1ce http://ubuntuguide.org/#menu-editor03:00
fazernickrud: so I guess I can't follow that tutorial when I am in a GUI interfae?03:00
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nickrudlol03:00
slappy16fazer: that doesnt matter...just make sure there isnt anything thrashing your disk while you run hdparm03:00
fazerslappy16: ah, okay.03:00
slappy16he wants to hdparm in single user03:01
slappy16it wont hurt03:01
nickrudyeah, I didn't look at the reference :)03:01
slappy16;)03:01
nickrudI hdparm from the gui all the time03:01
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nickrudor, have always03:01
fazernickrud: why 'all the time'03:01
hypnoaye hdparm is fine to use anytime03:02
nickrudfazer, too lazy to go to single user, and I have nothing thrashing my disk :)03:02
RustyShacklefordDamn this thing still wont extract.03:02
thr1ceok...I have an "other" sub-menu that shows is displayed under applications, but not in the menu editor03:02
thr1cehow can I rid of it03:02
fazernickrud: ah, heh03:03
nickrudRustyShackleford, what's the error message?03:03
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fazernickrud: how safe is using hdparm?03:04
thr1ceanyone have any ideas ?03:04
slappy16lol03:04
thr1cewhere I can maybe manually remove groups under applications03:04
slappy16thr1ce whish i could help03:04
nickrudfazer: all the dangerous stuff is identified in the man page03:04
slappy16icewm03:04
slappy16:)03:04
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revelaterhow do i use a .bz2.run file?03:05
slappy16bunzip203:05
k-otikwhats the program that monitors disk space/usage on your desktop?03:05
nickrudfazer -d -m and -c are all you probably care about03:05
slappy16df03:05
slappy16gkrlm03:05
k-otiknah its not gkrellm its somethig else03:05
slappy16k-otik : df03:05
slappy16is it X based?03:06
fazernickrud: hmm, -d -m and -c can't really mess up your hard drive then I guess?03:06
revelatersays its not a bzip2 file?!?!?03:06
k-otikdf slappy16? yes its x based03:06
slappy16mrtg03:06
nickrudfazer, mine still work :)03:06
slappy16:)03:06
k-otikmrtg?03:06
slappy16im kidding..uh..i dont know03:06
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fazernickrud: heh, its mainly because I am in an old laptop that I still love so taking all the precautions I can =/03:06
slappy16check freshmeat.net03:06
nickrudfazer, this is my only machine, I take verrry few chances03:07
Moe|Joehmmm im havin problems connecting to my wireless network now :|03:07
fazernickrud: ah okay =)03:07
slappy16whats everyones pppoe client of choice?03:07
slappy16or can anyone recommend one?03:07
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tcwdIs there a firewall on ubuntu by default?03:09
slappy16iptables03:10
tcwdIf so, how do I turn it off?03:10
slappy16so..back to my question..03:10
nickrudtcwd, no03:10
slappy16iptables -f03:10
slappy16really??03:10
slappy16lol03:10
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nickrudrunning?03:10
slappy16so...no one knows a good method for pppoe?03:10
thr1ceso there is no way to manually edit the menu, other than menu editor?  this thing isn't showing up in menu editor03:10
nickrudslappy16, if you mean configuring, I've allways used pppoeconf03:10
tcwdwait... so is there? :P03:11
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nickrudtcwd: do sudo iptables -L, it will tell you if any firewall rules are set03:11
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Moe|Joeerm03:12
slappy16nickrud: thanks03:12
fazernickrud: when do these changes take affect?03:12
Moe|Joehow do i stop my DNS Settings changing back to default?03:12
Xorewhere would i go to report a bug in nautilus?03:12
nickrudthe instant you execute hdparm03:13
thr1cecan I manuallky edit my menu, if something won't show up in menu editor that I want to rid of ?03:13
Xoreor to see if it's already been reported03:13
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nickrudXore, bugzilla.ubuntu.com03:13
Xorety03:13
tcwdnickrud, Thanks... How do I turn it off?03:13
nickrudas slappy16 said, iptables -F (meaning flush)03:13
seven_six_twoso I'm guessing my /var/lib/dpkg directory is supposed to contain more than an empty lock file?03:13
fazernickrud: strange, I don't notice much =/03:13
fazernickrud: I just did this: hdparm -c3 -m16 /dev/hda03:14
slappy16fazer: NO NOT THAT!03:14
slappy16jk.. ;)03:14
fazerslappy16: haha03:14
nickrudfazer, the recent kernels are a lot better at recognizing and optomizing disks these days, sometimes it gets it right.03:15
seven_six_twoi had a system freeze, and when i rebooted, i could no longer run synaptic or apt-get03:15
nickrudhdparm was written when the kernel never turned on dma, and so on.03:15
slappy16seven_six..whats the error?03:15
fazernickrud: oh =/03:15
fazernickrud: thanks03:16
nickrudslappy16, you made me look :)03:16
seven_six_twofathead@ubuntu:~$ sudo apt-get install mplayer03:16
seven_six_twoReading package lists... Error!03:16
seven_six_twoE: Could not open file /var/lib/dpkg/status - open (2 No such file or directory)03:16
seven_six_twoE: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened.03:16
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slappy16i think ive hit that before03:16
fazerheh03:17
fazerafter a while03:17
EricNeonmorning all03:17
fazerit seems to be slower than doing anything good03:17
fazernickrud: so I am guessing that these settings are lost after reboot?03:17
seven_six_twoi cleaned out my sources.list file so only cd rom is listed, since it was giving an error related to one of my sources. now that's the only error03:18
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slappy16no perms to run apt or theres another job running apt03:18
slappy16the status is locked03:18
circuit_ridermake sure you do it in a root shell03:18
fazerslappy16: sudo apt-get install ...03:18
nickrudfazer, yes, you can edit /etc/default/hdparm.conf to make them applied at each boot03:18
seven_six_twonothing that i know of is running apt, and i have root perms03:18
fazernickrud: ah, i see.03:18
seven_six_twotop shows it isn't running03:18
slappy16nothing is running03:19
slappy16?03:19
slappy16apt-get -f?03:19
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fazerslappy16: apt-get install -f ?03:19
housetierit seems that /var/lib/dpkg/status is gone, which is a bad thing, do you have a /var/lib/dpkg/status.old or .backup maybe?03:19
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mrvainwhat is the name of the config file for checking for attached devices (ie ipod via firewire) during boot?03:20
lifelesswin 1303:20
seven_six_twohousetier, no, i was just testing this distro so i haven't backed it up03:20
housetierseven_six_two dpkg might have created those files for you03:21
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seven_six_twoi get the same error for sudo apt-get install -f03:21
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mrc3hi! has anybody seen a report of ubuntu freezing for 200 ms every now and then?03:21
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Burger_in_da_sunhi!03:21
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slappy16can you cat the status file?03:21
rijigrr the ndiswrapper still doesn't want to work proporlly :(03:22
Burger_in_da_suni installed hoary, it didnt ask me to set my root passwd!!03:22
seven_six_twothe only file in the directory is named "lock" and is 0 bites03:22
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hypnoBurger_in_da_sun http://ubuntuguide.org/#setchangeenablerootpassword03:23
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mrvainBurger_in_da_sun: use sudo.  You don't need root, but can set a password for it if you like03:23
Burger_in_da_sunhypno, i went into recovery mode and i had my root login.. but is this normal ??03:23
slappy16yo, touch your status file03:23
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hypnoBurger_in_da_sun yes that's normal03:23
nickrudBurger_in_da_sun, www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo03:23
rijiBurger_in_da_sun: sudo passwd root03:23
Burger_in_da_sunhah never seen this before :)03:23
helio7is there a reason why applications disappear from the applications menu when upgrading from warty to hoary?  Is there a recommended procedure for restoring them?  Azureus isn't even showing up under whereis or which....03:24
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slappy16seven_six_two: touch that /var/lib/dpkg/status  , tell me what happens03:24
mrvainanyone know how to change Ubuntu NOT to look for attached devices during startup? (it looks for my ipod)03:25
seven_six_twoslappy16, ok03:25
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seven_six_twonothing happens03:26
slappy16same error?03:26
seven_six_twooh no wait. a status file appeared03:26
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slappy16did you touch it?03:27
slappy16can you run apt now?03:27
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seven_six_twoslappy16, yes i can, although i'll have to replace all of my sources. thanks muchly03:27
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Burger_in_da_sunhrmm ok installed a server install of ubuntu, when i do apt-cache search it says couldnt stat source package03:28
Burger_in_da_sunthe default sources are wrong ?03:28
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helio7Do most people agree that Hoary is still not as bug-free as Warty was?  If so, I wonder when it will be as solid as Warty was?03:28
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bob_55Does anyone have a link on how to have MP3's play?03:29
seven_six_twobob_55, in what program?03:29
nickrudbob_55, www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats03:29
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bob_55music player03:29
nickrudwhups03:30
bob_55I think that link will do thanks guys.03:30
seven_six_twobob_55, sorry i can't help. it worked for me right off03:30
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Burger_in_da_sunseriously, the US mirror is broken or something?03:30
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seven_six_twoBurger_in_da_sun, have you tried different repositories?03:31
cherylnewbie here03:31
Burger_in_da_sunseven_six_two, no just the US one for now03:31
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Burger_in_da_sunhah, now it works with the same repo03:31
Burger_in_da_sunmusta been a network problem03:31
cheryljust installed 5.04 and I need to know the default root password so I can do an install03:31
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Burger_in_da_sunok what do i need to do to my sources to get xfce ?03:32
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helio7anyone have Azureus running under Hoary?03:32
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mgalvincheryl: its the same as your password03:32
nickrudcheryl, take a look at www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSud03:32
SysFaili have azureus running03:32
nickrudcheryl, take a look at www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo03:32
seven_six_twoBurger_in_da_sun, http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories03:32
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boredofthesaneI've tried to get dma to work on my dvdrw drive so I can play dvd's in totem, unfortunately when i attempt hdparm -d1 /dev/hda it fails (yes I'm in root)03:33
boredofthesaneany ideas?03:33
cherylthanks03:33
GuruFFlool; quick question which /dev is ir ? how to check it ?03:33
zenroxboredofthesane,  /dev/hda = your first hdd03:33
seven_six_twoboredofthesane, what is the error when you try to play it in totem?03:33
boredofthesanezenrox: yes03:33
htaccesshi i am having lots of trouble with networking on a laptop, ifup ifdown and dhclient dont seem to work from the command line, it looks like the new network app is being too clever for me, how can i kill it altogether, is it a daemon or just the applet?03:33
boredofthesaneseven_six_two: it says I need libdvdcss but its installed03:34
zenroxboredofthesane,  ant you dvdrw another /dev/hdx03:34
bronsonhtaccess: ifdown eth003:34
boredofthesanezenrox: hmm?03:34
bronsonhtaccess: if you want to disable it permanently, turn off "auto" in /etc/network/interfaces03:34
zenroxboredofthesane,  like /dev/hda or /dev/hdb or /dev/hdc or /dev/hdd03:35
pixil9anyone here done a floppy install to debian then upgrade to hoary?03:35
boredofthesanezenrox: I know my dvd drive is /dev/hda03:35
nickrudpixil9, :)03:35
zenroxboredofthesane, ok03:35
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boredofthesanezenrox: if thats what you mean03:35
seven_six_twois it in your /etc/ld.so.conf03:35
htaccessbronson: yes ifdown eth0; ifup eth0 does not work as the gnome network applett seems to be getting in the way03:35
pixil9nickrud: ya?03:35
KernelPanic ore look at the nameserver /etc/resolf.conf03:35
zenroxboredofthesane,  ya thats what i ment03:35
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toresbeHmm, interesting03:35
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toresbeGrissom of CSI's first name is "Gus", right?03:35
Burger_in_da_sunwich package should i apt-get to get all of xorg ?03:36
boredofthesanezenrox: could it have to do with having a serial ata hard drive?03:36
danielsBurger_in_da_sun: why do you want to do that?03:36
nickrudpixil9, no, I'm just laughing, it's how I did my debian sid install years ago, and boy, can I imagine the disaster03:36
Burger_in_da_sundaniels, becoz i need an x server ?03:36
nickrudBurger_in_da_sun, x-window-system03:36
pixil9well my bro is goin to australia for a year and i'm tryin to set up his p1 233 so he can use msn and firefox heh03:36
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Burger_in_da_sunnickrud, thats xorg right?03:36
pixil9(laptop)03:36
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nickrudBurger_in_da_sun, if you're running hoary03:37
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steve_Hiya everybody...quick question regarding a riptide audio driver install03:37
Burger_in_da_sunnickrud, k thanks03:37
steve_anybody up for the task?03:37
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helio7where should I look to customize the appliations menu?03:37
danielsBurger_in_da_sun: install x-window-system03:37
danielsBurger_in_da_sun: but ideally you should just install ubuntu-desktop03:37
Burger_in_da_sundaniels, i dont want gnome and all that stuff03:37
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mrvainis there a way to print to pdf from applications like in OS X?03:38
Burger_in_da_suni installed a server and i just want X + xfce on top fo that03:38
nickrudBurger_in_da_sun, shunned :)03:38
steve_Anybody at all?03:38
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steve_just a question regarding modversions.h03:38
Burger_in_da_sunsteve_ just ask dont ask if you can ask03:38
steve_Oh.  Good point.03:38
boredofthesanesorry to repeat me question but maybe will know what I can do to resolve my problem, I have a DVD drive that won't turn dma on via hdparm, is there a solution or perhaps my drive isn't supported?03:38
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boredofthesane*someone will03:39
steve_WELL: I've installed Hoary on my parents' machine; runs great, with the exception of the Rockwell Riptide modem/soundcard03:39
nickrudboredofthesane, I've heard rumors about some dvds, try googling03:39
steve_I don't really need the modem, just the sound03:39
helio7Anyone been successful in adding an application to the application menu in Hoary??03:39
chrisg_Hey, where is the menu editor in gnome?03:39
chrisg_i can't find it anywhere03:40
steve_installed modem drivers from linuxant.com03:40
boredofthesanenickrud: i've been googling like crazy and tried many things, loading the via82cxx module instead of the generic ide-* modules, modifying /etc/hdparm.conf, etc. still no luck03:40
seven_six_twohelio7, yes. you have to install menu-edit03:40
steve_and the audio, which relies on the modem, claims I don't have modversions.h03:40
helio7chrisg I know it was made more difficult, but I'm sure it must be doable... ahhh thanks seven_six_two03:40
steve_(I've installed the headers as well as the modules)03:40
steve_Where do I go from here?03:40
farruinnsteve_: perhaps there are additional headers that it depends on03:40
chrisg_thaks seven..03:41
seven_six_twonp03:41
nickrudboredofthesane, you're not the first here with the problem, and no ones got it working if it was a problem.03:41
pixil9Anyone know how I make it so when I link /dev/radio0 to /dev/radio it doesn't dissapear after a reboot?03:41
mrvainanyone know how to print to pdf?03:41
steve_faruinn: As in, headers outside the universe, multiverse, et al?03:41
boredofthesanenickrud: bummer, the strange thing is, is that people will say it will work in other distros, but not in hoary03:41
helio7mrvain it's an option if you print from gimp03:41
seven_six_twopixil9,  ln -s03:41
nickrudmrvain, install cups-pdf03:41
helio7where should I look for the reason that Gaim crashes without an error message?03:42
farruinnsteve_: no, within the repos03:42
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mrvainnickrud will that enable pdf creation from, say open office?03:42
seven_six_twohelio7, perhaps run it from console03:42
pixil9seven_six_two: i did ln -s /dev/radio0 /dev/radio and then my radio card works fine but after reboot the link dissapears03:42
nickrudmrvain, open office does it natively.03:42
mrvainoh03:42
mrvaingreat thanks03:42
seven_six_twopixil9, strange. i had to do the same for my dvd but it stayed03:43
steve_farruinn: Whoops.  I should've checked the repos before I came here.  I just realized I don't have the multiverse enabled.03:43
RexMpixil9: i believe that's because the /dev isn't actually on the disk, and is just a thing in memory?03:43
helio7seven_six_two, I don't see menu-edit in synaptic is that what it's called?03:43
steve_farruinn: BRB03:43
KernelPanichelio7: gaim?? whit what protrocol?? icq? msn?03:43
pixil9I dunno :/03:43
seven_six_twohelio7, yes, but you may need to add extra repositories.   check  www.ubuntuguide.com03:43
pixil9I'll make a script i guess03:43
boredofthesanehmm, what's the latest kernel that I can apt-get?03:44
farruinnsteve_: it should be in linux-headers-(uname -r)03:44
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nickrudpixil9, take a look at udev. there are ways (which I haven03:44
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farruinnsteve_: linux-headers-2.6.10-5 has it and is in main03:44
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nickrud't studied) for that03:45
helio7KernelPanic, I run gaim with yahoo, aim, icq, msn, and icq; most load when it crashes03:45
Burgerok, now how do i install the nvidia drivers?03:45
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chrisg_helio7: http://ubuntuguide.org/#menu-editor03:46
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pixil9Burger: apt-get install nvidia-glx and change your video device /etc/X11/xorg.conf from "nv" to "nvidia"03:46
nickrudBurger, ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto03:46
helio7cool chrisg_ was almost there :-)03:46
Burgerpixil9, thats exactly what i did, then when i started x i got a black screen and everything hanged...03:47
pixil9o.03:47
boredofthesaneroot@bored:/home/boredofthesane # hdparm -d1 /dev/hda03:47
boredofthesane/dev/hda:03:47
boredofthesane setting using_dma to 1 (on)03:47
boredofthesane HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted03:47
boredofthesane using_dma    =  0 (off)03:47
Meastaphelesanybody install kernels?  i get "ls: 'initrd.img.old': File exists" to ln -s initrd.img-2.6.10-1.1127_FC4.dwmw2 initrd.img.old.  Can I make up a link such as 'initrd.img.FC4Alien' that'l show up on my boot loader?03:47
boredofthesaneanybody? :-)03:47
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slappy16uh-oh..tweedle03:48
pixil9Burger; what card?03:48
danielsMeastapheles: why do you have that link there in the first place?03:48
TweedleDumb;)03:48
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Burgerpixil9, geforce2 go.. used to work fine when i compiled the driver03:48
Burgergreat, now when i reboot it runs X automaticly and hangs...03:48
Meastaphelesjust following http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?s=7412d09bbbfda6d98f5e75c57083c983&t=25264&page=3&pp=1003:48
pixil9hit ctrl-alt-f203:48
pixil9to get to a terminal03:48
helio7cool got menu-editor working; that's a relief, I had resigned myself to uneditable menus... Does anyone know why the decision was made to make menus _less_ editable by default in Hoary?03:48
pixil9then change it back03:48
Burgerpixil9, no go.. it's dead03:48
pixil9ctrl-alt-f2 doesn't work??03:49
Burgerpixil9, can't get a console03:49
pixil9i dunno i've never used ubuntu til today :/03:49
chaseis there a way to get ubuntu to ask me the password for my default ssh key before gnome loads up? so its always present when i try getting a terminal to ssh into my server?03:49
Burger... this blows03:49
Meastaphelesdaniels: I want to be able to pick which ever kernel to boot up with03:49
slappy16chase: i usually load my eval my ssh-agent before i startx03:49
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slappy16but i dont know if you can do it prior gdm03:49
helio7what's the difference between the k7 and the k7-smp kernel?03:50
nickrudBurger, try booting into single user and changing the xorg.conf back03:50
Burgeri think i need to remove all that stuff from xorg.conf that's in the nvidia docs03:50
chaseokay, slappy16 that sounds like what i want, how can i stop X loading from a run level?03:50
farruinnhelio7: smp means symmetric multi-processing, for multiple processors03:50
TweedleDumbadd it to /etc/init.d/gdm03:50
steve_farruinn: Still won't work.03:50
seven_six_twoif i restore a backup of sources.list, is it necessary to run gpg --keyserver   again?03:50
chaseTweedleDumb does that work?03:50
slappy16in /etc/inittab, change to a runlevel that does not use X..im not sure what that is in ubuntu03:50
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slappy16Tweedle: how will he enter the passphrase?03:51
steve_farruinn: Not sure where else to go here...I've installed every header package there  (there're three for my architecture)03:51
TweedleDumbY not, that script is what launches gdm, just load eval ssh-agent first, you know?03:51
MeastaphelesI already have a 2.6.8 that I upgraded with from sarge, a 2.6.10 that was erroniously reported to wake from sleep, and now I want to try a 2.6.10 that is supposed ot be fixed03:51
Meastaphelesdaniels03:51
TweedleDumboh03:51
slappy16where will you type in the password?03:51
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bob_55Well I have to go thanks for the help don't have it setup and running yet but there is always tomorrow.03:51
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pixil9Meastapheles, How did you get from sarge to ubuntu?03:52
Meastaphelesvia sid03:52
kanuhaIs the XChat that comes with Ubuntu compiled with or without TCL?03:52
pixil9what is sid?03:52
pixil9I just did a floppy install of woody on my old laptop.. now i want it to goto ubuntu03:52
chaseslappy16, TweedleDumb i can always try the GDM first and let you know how it works03:52
jamesCongrats to all Ubuntu developers and users on making a top notch distro. I'm all finished installing, now time for bed... Thanks.03:52
nickrudpixil9, ooh, you're doing it03:52
Meastaphelespixil9: you do a server upgrade and reinstall a few things, sid is debian unstable03:52
pixil9Meastapheles, Well if I changed all my sources to to hoary.. what else do i do03:53
Meastaphelesjames: my year old ibook doesn't wake from sleep03:53
pixil9apt-get dist-upgrade isn't working :(03:53
pixil9nickrud: ya it sucked.. and for some reason ubuntu writes my floppies at 10 kB/s instead of 3003:53
Meastapheleswat are you running?03:53
pixil9woody03:54
Meastapheleswow03:54
Meastapheles!03:54
pixil9I didn't even apt-get the base system of it03:54
pixil9i thought I could just change the sources on the floppy install03:54
jamesMeastapheles, alarm is set : )03:54
nickrudMeastapheles, he's trying to get from woody boot floppies to hoary03:54
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pixil9maybe i should've done sarge03:54
slappy16i like sarge03:54
Burgerok...so anyone have any idea why the nvidia drivers are killing my geforce2 go ? maybe i should just compile it03:55
slappy16you cant go from deb to ubuntu....can you?03:55
Meastaphelesget rid of any extra junk such as X and any gui stuff , then upgrade to sarge, then to sid then to hoary03:55
slappy16no..that doesnt make sense03:55
Meastaphelesand hope for the best03:55
pixil9i have to goto sid? lol03:55
incsup channel03:55
TweedleDumbisnt debian still way better then ubuntu?03:55
MeastaphelesI did, and I got a stable system03:55
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steve_No modversions.h even after headers install!03:56
steve_Anybody?  Where can I get it?03:56
GUISlaveI wouldn't apt get from sarge03:56
pixil9TweedleDumb, ubuntu is just a user friendly X system on top of debian03:56
GUISlaveI'd do a fresh install of hoary03:56
incany one use the atheros wlan card?03:56
slappy16but what about packages, pix03:56
TweedleDumbthen why dont they make their changees compatable with debian03:56
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slappy16i think tweedle is as scared as i am about a fork03:57
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TweedleDumbis there a PPC ubuntu?03:57
slappy16but they do say ubuntu has 'a lot of money' behind it03:57
helio7farruinn, that's odd, somehow when upgrading from warty>hoary I got the k7-smp kernel selected by default03:57
slappy16i know theres a 6403:57
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TweedleDumbmoney will make anything go around03:57
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helio7farruinn, and I have a standard Amd athlon single processor03:57
incneeds to make my wifi go03:57
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slappy16i prolly has all the same archs as deb03:57
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slappy16it03:57
kanuhaIs the XChat that comes with Ubuntu compiled with or without TCL?03:58
steve_Anybody?  Know how i can get a modversions.h?03:58
slappy16dpkg -f /filename03:58
Meastaphelesdaniels; you still there? or you'd just tune out03:58
nickrudslappy16, TweedleDumb, the 10 or so ubuntu guys (should) know better than to not leverage the 900+ free workers in debian (to put the most mercenary light on it)03:58
farruinnhelio7: odd, you might want to report, see if anyone else has seen this.  It shouldn't hurt, that kernel is just optimized for smp03:58
chaseTweedleDumb, adding it to the GDM startup script didnt work, and slappy16 it looks like runlevel 2-5 are all set up the same way here so i cant just change it to not startx03:58
slappy16so what happens when sarge is released?  will there be a new ubuntu release as well?03:58
pixil9Meastapheles, Is it necessary to goto sid?03:58
chasei need to remove it from a run level03:58
TweedleDumbok then, use rungetty03:59
Rimafar out, after using fedora/redhat for years - just installed ubuntu it seems alot quicker than any distrubtion I have used before03:59
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MeastaphelesI was told so, and I did so without any problems03:59
farruinnsteve_: I'm quite sure you have the file, gcc just doesn't see it. I don't know how to troubleshoot gcc though03:59
pixil9Can i just net install sid?03:59
incanyone know why it would pick up my card in lspci and not lsmod?03:59
nickrudslappy16, ubuntu doesn't have to be sarge03:59
Meastaphelesif you're smart you do a server upgrade and thats no time03:59
slappy16tweedle: what was that hotplug thing you did for your camera a few months ago?03:59
nickrudI hope the get it together by etch.03:59
fazerhmm03:59
fazerso, what would a void cheque look like?03:59
slappy16nickrud: gotcha03:59
chaseTweedleDumb, for what? wouldnt that just start a run level for this session?03:59
chaseit wouldnt stop X from starting everytime i restart04:00
steve_farruinn: Hrm.04:00
steve_farruinn: Thank you for your help.04:00
TweedleDumbi got rid of hotplug because i wanted to be able to add a label to the files comming off my camera, hotplug just transfered them without asking me anything... so i made my script into an icewm menu entry04:00
pixil9Meastapheles, So once I reach sid what are te steps?04:00
pixil9the*04:00
steve_farruinn: I'll keep searching and come back here if I can't find it.04:00
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farruinnsteve_: don't thank me too much, I can't say I'm helping that much :/04:00
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TweedleDumboh nm, that was a bad suggestion04:01
slappy16where did init.rc go???04:01
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slappy16theres no init.rc in linux..shit04:01
chasei jsut removed it from all startip files sudo update-rc.d -f xorg-common remove04:01
TweedleDumbwhat about adding an xterm entry to your xterm that started the eval ssh-agent04:02
slappy16ya, that will work04:02
slappy16i have this04:02
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TweedleDumbthen when gdm starts a window will open and you can enter your password04:02
slappy16but he still needs to start the agent04:02
Meastaphelespixil9: http://ubuntuppc.webplazahosting.com/index.php?Sarge%20to%20Hoary04:02
nickrudchase, what your looking for is updat-rc.d gdm04:02
slappy16he needs to start the agent, then eval every xterm instance04:02
TweedleDumbxterm -e <command to start>04:02
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TweedleDumbno,04:03
slappy16eval `ssh-agent -s`04:03
slappy16              host=`uname -n`04:03
slappy16               [ -f $HOME/.keychain/$host-sh ]  && \04:03
slappy16                       . $HOME/.keychain/$host-sh04:03
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slappy16i use keychain04:03
DanC_uer... a day after hoary released, apt-get upgrade gave me about 100 updates. Today there are zero. Is that right?04:03
Burgerwhy is it that when i try to apt-get remove nvidia-kernel-common it wants to remove all the modules?! and linux-386 ?04:03
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TweedleDumbdoes gdm load ~.xsession?04:04
nickrudTweedleDumb, no04:04
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nickrudor, not by default.04:04
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slappy16xdm does, right?04:05
Askewis anyone else having problems getting SVG icon themes to work in hoary?04:05
chasei think ive got it sused, ive removed GDM and i just enter the key then start x. its what i used to do with gentoo so im used to that04:05
pixil9why can't they just make a friggen floppy install04:05
nickrudyou can select xsession from gdm login, but I can't recall just what it called offhand04:06
Burgerdis is getting frustrating.. why did i remove debian it worked just fine.. argg04:06
chaseAskew, ye they all just come up bank04:06
slappy16hahaha04:06
chaseblank04:06
Askewchase, do you know of a fix?04:06
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pixil9DanC_u: pentium 1 233 laptop with no cdrom04:07
chaseAskew, no sorry. i didnt know the problem till you asked :-(04:07
DanC_uwell, pixil9 debian installs from floppy pretty well, in general. sometimes laptops are tricky04:07
GUISlavepixil- just buy an external cd rom04:07
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Askewanyone else know why SVG icon themes wouldnt' be working?  i made sure librsvg2 was installed....04:08
nickruddebootstrap, anyone :)04:08
DanC_upixil9, does your laptop boot from USB devices, by chance?04:08
pixil9I think so.. but I only have a 32mb flash thingy04:08
slappy16nickrud: im interested in that04:08
slappy16shit, im thinking of fai04:09
slappy16nm04:09
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slappy16/finger tweedledee04:09
DanC_uhmm... 32mb flash might be enough for a net-based install...04:09
slappy16aw04:09
slappy16lol04:09
GUISlavebad boy04:09
slappy16i cant finger you, tweedle04:10
slappy16;)04:10
TweedleDumbwrong name04:10
slappy16ohh!04:10
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pixil9DanC_u: ubuntu can do that?04:10
slappy16whois works04:10
TweedleDumbwhois slappy1604:10
slappy16need the slash04:10
TweedleDumbdu04:10
slappy16he's a dick, though04:10
slappy16whats whoheis04:11
TweedleDumbduh04:11
slappy16thats04:11
slappy16heh04:11
slappy16ok, i leave work04:11
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DanC_uI think I saw "usb installs" on the web site, and I remember something about net installs, but I might be confused... double-checking...04:11
Burgeri got a PIII why did it install all the 386 stuff instead of 686 ?04:11
pixil9Well whatever i'm almost done upgradin to sarge then sid04:11
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DanC_u"Ubuntu 5.04 now supports installation from USB devices." -- http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/ReleaseNotes504/document_view04:11
DanC_udarn... no link to more info04:11
GUISlaveI wonder how fast that usb install would go from a jump drive?04:12
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nickrudBurger, you need to specifically install a 686 kernel libc, everything else if 486 called 38604:12
nickrudand libc04:12
Burgernickrud, huh? you mean by default it installs 386 and i got to upgrade ?04:12
nickrudBurger, yeah, it works more places that way04:13
bourne_againHey I'm just wondering, why would somebody install ubuntu over debian? I'm not trolling I just have no idea.04:13
Burgernickrud... this is really wierd... cant it just ask me during installation??04:13
nickrudBurger, could, but doesn't04:13
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Burgernickrud, so how do i upgrade to 686 ?04:13
GUISlaveI think installing over Debian would be a disaster04:13
GUISlaveI know going from warty to hoary has probs04:14
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DanC_uaha.. http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/NetbootInstallHowto04:14
pixil9haha04:14
chrisg_How do I set the bittorrent ports used by gnome-btdownload?04:15
nickrudBurger, look for linux-image, and install the 686 version04:15
DanC_uhmm... do you have a nearby machine that can be a server, pixil9 ?04:15
bourne_againCan anybody tell me what makes ubuntu different from debian, other then that its slimmed down?04:15
LucienLacombebourne_again: ubuntu slimmed down or debian04:15
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pixil9DanC_u: ya this machine is on ubuntu04:15
Burgernickrud, i tried that.. it didnt tell me it needs to upgrade the modules or anything... how can it just upgrade the kernel but not the modules?04:15
LucienLacombebourne_again: ubuntu is for fake linux users04:16
pixil9I guess i could make the tftp server04:16
nickrudbourne_again, not much, except it can be run by my mom :)04:16
helio7farruinn, well, I changed to the non-smp kernel in grub as one of several changes over the last week, since I upgraded from warty>hoary I've been experiencing daily crashes/hangs on a previously bombproof system... I'm hoping the non-smp k7 kernel is my fix :-) where would I report it anyway?04:16
DanC_uwell, pixil9 I think netboot should work for you.04:16
pixil9LucienLacombe: I've been using freebsd debian and slackware for 10 years.. and i like ubuntu04:16
Burgerbourne_again, don't beleive them... debian installs way easier04:16
nickrudBurger, let me look again04:16
bourne_againnickrud: So ubuntu is to debian as mandrake is to redhat?04:16
LucienLacombepixil9: by your choice of bsd you would04:16
GUISlaveYeah lucient, stop trolling04:16
pixil9lol04:16
nickrudbourne_again, I don't know about today, but 3 years ago, that would be a good comparison04:17
pixil9DanC_u, thx04:17
pixil9If you like OpenBSD or NetBSD over FreeBSD you're on crack04:17
steve_GRR still no go04:17
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LucienLacombeGUISlave: tab completion04:17
LucienLacombetry it04:17
steve_modversions.h still not there, despite header04:17
steve_s04:17
mikecoheh04:17
LucienLacombeyou learn tht day 2 of using a diff OS04:17
GUISlavewhat do you mean by tab completion?04:17
mikecoopenbsd04:17
mikecoi hate theo04:17
mikecoevery different os has tab completion?04:18
farruinnhelio7: I would first report it on the mailing list to see if anyone else has gotten this04:18
farruinnthen report a bug at bugzilla.ubuntu.com if you need to04:18
DanC_uhmm... that wasn't the sort of netboot I was thinking of, though, pixil9. Debian has a mode that starts with like a 10MB .iso image and grabs the rest from the net. no nearby server needed.04:18
mikecoso if i was using say, dos, then went to windows 3.11 i'd have learnt about tab completion?04:18
GUISlaveI like standard debian, it's just outdated04:18
Agrajagwindows 3.11 isn't an OS04:18
mikecoit's a shell04:18
mikecosemantics, blah04:18
helio7hmm I thought I had subscribed to the mailing list, but I'll have to do it again, I haven't received much but the monthly things from devs04:18
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mikecopoint is, just because you switch os, doesn't mean there is tab completion04:19
farruinnhelio7: you can do the web interface thing at www.ubuntuforums.org04:19
GUISlaveAre we talking tab completion as in the terminal?04:19
DanC_uhmm... pixil9 , I see something about boot floppies in http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SmartBootManagerHowto04:19
GUISlaveIf so, ubuntu's got it04:19
Agrajagmikeco: almost every operating system that isn't windows uses a shell like bash or csh, which have tab completion04:19
Agrajagwindows has it too, but you have to do a ragistry hack to turn it on04:19
helio7farruinn, are the forums 'mirrored' as a listserv?04:19
Agrajagregistry04:19
pixil9DanC: heh that still wants a cd04:20
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chrisg_windows xp has tabcompletion04:20
farruinnhelio7: right, go to the "ubuntu-users mailing list thread"04:20
mikecotab completion isn't even always turned on in something other than windows04:20
helio7k thanks farruinn04:20
GUISlaveDamn, XP does have tab completion.  Didn't know that.  :)04:20
mikecoyeah, it does04:21
=== DanC_u is still struggling to get a mental model of the ubuntu docs... is there an install guide somewhere?
danielboI'm a new ubuntu user and just bought a laptop with an AMD Sempron 2800+. It appears that this is a k8. Should I have installed the AMD64 version of Ubuntu instead of the i386?04:21
helio7Has anyone burned a DVD with K3B and had it not be recognized by WinXP?04:21
bourne_againNope04:21
nickrudBurger, not apparently the ubuntu developers don't think everyone needs the restricted modules, so it's not a dependency04:21
Agrajagdanielbo: semprons are 32 bit04:21
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chrisg_XP even has good scripting now with python04:21
nickruddanielbo, do you have much linux experience?04:22
Burgernickrud, do you know whats the diff between linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-5-686 and linux-restricted-modules-686 ?04:22
danielboAgrajag, that's what I thought, but it's showing K8 for some reason04:22
GUISlaveLinux has come a long way.  I can't wait for the next five years04:22
danielbonickrud04:22
danielbonickrud, about 6 years04:22
incanyone good wit wifi card?04:22
nickruddanielbo, then go 64 and do the chroot thingy :)04:22
Agrajagnickrud: uh, he can't04:23
Agrajagsemprons are not 64-bit, are they?04:23
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danielboAgrajag, I seem to remember that the new ones ARE 64, but ith the same old name04:23
nickrudBurger, the one that doesn't have a version, depends on the latest one that does have a version04:23
pixil9DanC_u, I think i'll do the tftp one04:23
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thechitowncubsHow do I make my hard drive not constantly spin,its generating a lot of heat04:23
danielboAgrajag, I had forgotten that one until just now when I noticed K804:24
nickrudthat is, if you install the one without a version, every time a new version comes out, it will automatically update04:24
nickrudthat make sense?04:24
AgrajagDanC_u: just because it says that doesn't mean it's amd6404:24
Agrajager, danielbo04:24
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=== DanC_u has a sempron too, but can't get k7 kernels to work with the soundcard on this mobo
thechitowncubsDoes anyone have any idea?04:25
mikecothere are k7 and k8 semprons, the k8 based off of amd6404:25
nickrudAgrajag, danielbo, just saw the question about 64, not the chip. trying to do too much at once. Sorry :)04:25
danielbonickrud, AMD64 doesn't have all the plugins, right?04:25
Agrajagmikeco: "The Sempron 3100+, although based on the K8 architecture, does not support the AMD64 technology. In other words, the Sempron 3100+ is a 32-bit processor."04:25
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danielbomikeco, that's what I remember04:25
Agrajaghttp://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/sempron-3100-oc_2.html\04:25
Agrajaguh, without the \04:25
mikecoi said based, that is all04:25
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kojakis ubuntu any good04:26
laggerzerohey guys i need some help04:26
mikecohas all features minus 64bit and only 256k cache04:26
zerovertexyou ask in a very biased channel04:26
DanC_uis anybody familiar with the ubuntu docs? is there an install guide? the docs seem to be sorta all-over-the-floor. Is that the state-of-the-art?04:26
nickruddanielbo, no, that's what the chroot is for, to run a 32 bit library to support plugins and the like04:26
laggerzerohttp://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=6304:26
Agrajagmikeco: then he can't run amd64 ubuntu on it, can he?04:26
AgrajagThat's all we're talking about here04:26
mikecodidn't say he could04:26
mikecowas just telling him why it said k804:26
laggerzerowhen i try to apply the alps patch like that guy said i get this error: gunzip: /usr/share/doc/xorg-driver-synaptics is a directory -- ignored04:26
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thechitowncubsIs laptop mode automatically enabled?04:27
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laggerzerothats when running the:sudo gunzip -c /usr/share/doc/xorg-driver-synaptics | patch -p104:27
laggerzeroyes04:27
laggerzeroit has the synaptics driver04:27
laggerzeronot the alps driver04:28
laggerzeroits in the 2.6.11 kernel but it keeps crashing on me04:28
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laggerzerogam_server/gamin causes kernel panics04:28
danielbonickrud, this is for my gf, so I'll probably just stick with vanilla04:28
danielbonickrud, she won't know how to deal with anything04:28
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laggerzeroany suggestions?04:29
Burgerhhmm, my Xorg log file says : Failed to initialize GLX extension (NVIDIA X driver not found) , wierd i install nvidia-glx04:29
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fazerHello, what is the Terminal thing in xfce and how is it04:30
fazer               different than the present terminal that comes with default04:30
fazer               installation of xfce?04:30
fazerdamn it04:30
nickruddanielbo, when it's installed, go to www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats for movies & music04:30
danielbonickrud, thanks04:31
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danielboappreciate the help04:31
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danielbonickrud, one of these days, I'll get hibernate to work ;)04:31
nickrudwell, I the last bit might :)04:31
laggerzerono one has any suggestions?04:31
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thechitowncubsDoes anyone know about laptop mode?04:34
terasurferDoes anybody here have experience setting up asterisk, or a PBX in general?04:34
thechitowncubsIs laptop mode automatically enabled?04:34
nekohayotechitowncubs, I'm on a laptop right now04:34
nekohayoit's enabled on install I believe04:35
nekohayobecause of laptop-detect maybe04:35
nekohayo(not sure)04:35
pixil9fuck i need a cdrom for my latop04:35
laggerzerosince we are talking about laptops again04:35
thechitowncubsWell, I don't think it worked for my latop04:35
thechitowncubslaptop04:35
scottfor some reason my laptop stalls up sometimes when I pull it off external power. it normally takes about 5 minutes or so04:35
laggerzeroanyone get their alps touchpad working?04:35
nekohayodid you look in synaptic techito?04:35
thechitowncubsbecause i noticed my hard drive has gotten hot04:35
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nekohayolaggerzero, mine works04:36
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laggerzeroits it synaptics or alps?04:36
nickrudpixil9, the woody to sarge to sid thing might actually work.04:36
nekohayotechitowncubs, mine is hot too.04:36
incevil wireless04:36
nickrudnot that I'd do it :)04:36
pixil9nickrud: ya i'm working on it04:36
nekohayowireless is evil yes :) I made it work today however (yesss!)04:36
pixil9nickrud: i swear this POS has a 100rpm hard drive04:36
incmine is being a paint "it just works" my a$$04:36
nickrudpixil9, you're on old kernels, hdparm might speed it up.04:37
GUISlavepixil, you can always try blue flops floppy linux. ;)04:37
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GUISlaveIt's got the 2.6 kernel in it04:37
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pixil9well i'm at sarge now heh04:38
nickrudpixil9, ooh fast internet :)04:38
pixil9haha blue flops04:39
CyberDooCouple of quick support questions if I may....04:39
nickrudI did my woody to sid over dialup04:39
nickrudtook days..............04:39
nekohayomm hey, when I close the lid, it messes up (tries some kind of suspend.. which doesn't work), how could I deactivate the lid event?04:39
incnekohayo; you using an atheros 5212 chipset?04:39
nekohayoinc, for what? the wireless?04:39
CyberDoonic04:40
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incyea04:40
nekohayonope, sorry.. a linksys card, which is a realtek one in fact04:40
incevil netgear04:40
inclol04:40
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nekohayo:)04:40
waltzlinksys is SHIT, to put it mildly04:40
pixil9i had linksys04:41
nekohayohey.. are there any plans to have something else than prism based wlan included in krnels someday?04:41
CyberDooAnyone have a stationary X in the middle of the screen after loadup?04:41
pixil9asus has made the best SOHO wireless router ever04:41
pixil9imo04:41
nekohayolinksys is okay with me.04:41
treyhey all - i have a dell laptop and i am having trouble getting a broadcom wireless nic to work - can someone with ndiswrapper experience help me?04:41
waltzI'm 100% SMC.04:41
pixil9linksys blew ass04:41
nekohayoif you say so.04:41
treythe driver installs correctly but then when i go to modprobe it tells me fatal error cannot insert04:41
inceww smc.. had a switch that died one port at a time lol04:41
nekohayotrey, did you do a ndiswrapper -l to check if the driver is "valid" ?04:42
pixil9The Asus / dlink are the only two with good web interfaces and proper WPA-PSK support04:42
pixil9linksys and smc is all garbage with WEP04:42
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nekohayoI don't care, you can airsnort them in one minute04:42
inci shouldn't need to use ndiswrapper with the atheros chipset do I?04:42
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pixil9what is ndiswrapper for04:43
incwindows drivers on linux i think right?04:43
nekohayoby the way.. is there a newb tutorial for airsnort?04:43
nekohayoinc, I think so04:43
pixil9ah04:44
pixil9or you could just buy a new nic for $504:44
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incanyone familiar with troubleshotting this thing? the wiki is is kind of lean on this04:45
pixil9ya i just looked.. never used it04:45
pixil9i've had the same 3c905 nics for like 10 years04:46
sladeninc: correct, you should not need ndis for atheros04:46
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incmy wired xircom nic works like a charm but the wifi thing lol04:46
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inci do an lspci and I see it there04:47
inci'm supposed to see something like ath_pci with i do lsmod but not there04:48
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cherylhi04:52
incsup04:52
cherylI have a question about installing aim on ubuntu 5.0404:52
mikecohahah, xteddy blends in perfectly with the default ubuntu wallpaper04:52
cherylOn ubuntu linux 5.0404:53
cherylI installed aim as root04:53
cherylunzip -c aim-1.5.234-1.i386.tgz | tar xvf -04:53
cherylThen as the user04:53
cherylcheryl@cheryls:~$ /usr/local/bin/aim04:53
cheryl/usr/local/bin/aim: error while loading shared libraries: libgdk-1.2.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory04:53
incgaim04:53
cherylI searched the whole disk for this library and it is not there.04:53
cherylWhat should I do?04:53
nickrudcheryl, http:/debian/distrib/packages will let you search for packages that have files. Look in the unstable distribution.04:54
incuse synaptic to install gaim04:54
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KernelPaniccheryl: just install gaim04:54
incactually should be installed with hoary already04:54
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nickrudthe files you nedd :)04:54
incapps> internet> gaim04:54
cherylthanks I just found that04:55
cherylgaim works04:55
KernelPanic:D04:55
incyeah it rox04:55
incubuntu's got your back lol04:55
DoppelGangerpukes04:55
cherylthis is the best linux install.  Everything I need is already here04:55
incDoppelGanger: lol04:56
DoppelGangermwa ah ha04:56
DoppelGangeroh god stop it, it hurts04:56
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cherylso long bill gates, no more $$$ from me.  I will donate soon to ubuntu04:56
inclol04:57
incyou can donate to me even though I haven't done anything04:57
DoppelGanger:-(04:57
mikecohm04:57
mikecohaha04:57
inc:p04:57
cherylyou said gaim04:57
mikecoi think i tore something in my shoulder, which sucks04:57
cherylthat was a big help04:57
nickrudcheryl, better yet, order disks and pass them out, canonical doesn't need your money :)04:57
cherylkewl04:58
incpass them out like crack to kids04:58
cherylI will04:58
incfirst one's free04:58
nickrudmy extra 9 disappeared from the library in 2 hours.04:58
mikecono, because then the govt will try to corner the market04:58
cherylI tried sUSE on my machine and it couldn't see my disk to install04:58
incyes debian is good04:59
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cherylI spent a week trying to partition and any trick I could think of04:59
incstill doesn't like my wifi card though04:59
mikecoget a wireless bridge for your nic04:59
cheryltake care and thanks05:00
mikecothat's the lazy + easy and somewhat pricey way to do it05:00
inccya cheryl05:00
inclol i already got the card05:00
mikecois it working?05:00
incit's just laughing at me05:00
mikecoaudibly?05:00
mikecoi'd take that back man05:00
mikecothat's crazy05:01
mikeco:-D05:01
incwell the voices in my haed tell me it is05:01
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inclol05:01
mikecoahh, you should introduce your voices to mine05:01
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incthen they can take over the world05:01
mikecomine all sound like antonio banderas05:02
Olsenhow can i add support for more codecs in totem?05:02
mikecodoesn't it use gstreamer?05:02
inclisten to the voices05:02
mikecoerm05:02
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mikecoyou mean like win32 or what?05:02
mikecorealplay?05:02
incgstreamer8-mad or something05:02
OlsenMPEG-405:03
fazerdoes anyone know why sound doesnt work in flash in firefox?05:03
fazerI looked at the how to05:03
nickrudOlsen, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats05:03
fazerbut...still doesn't do anything...hope I don't have to reboot =/05:03
incfazer you need the non-free flash05:03
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Olsennickrud, thx05:03
incyeah that's the wiki i was looking for05:03
fazerinc: that is exactly what I got.05:03
nickrudwelcome, you too, inc05:04
inchmm works for me05:04
fazerinc: I am talking about the flash player plugin05:04
fazerinc: I am using alsa, or, whatever it is.05:04
incsound work for other stuff?05:05
inclike wav?05:05
incvolume up?05:05
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nickrudpixil9, I'm curious, how's it going?05:07
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mrc3hi! how can i play a wav file from the command line?05:07
pixil9nickrud: It won't upgrade past sid05:07
mrc3(i need it for psi, amsn, and other programs that need sound)05:07
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nickrudwhat's the error?05:08
pixil9this laptop is such a hunk of shit i'm gonna break it05:08
nickrudpixil9, try upgrading the kernel to 2.6 something05:08
nickruda shot in the dark05:08
pixil9I think I'm gonna stick something else on it05:09
nickrudcrossed fingers in the general direction of pixil905:09
pixil9heh05:09
GUISlaveBlue Flops05:09
GUISlaveGet that 386 feel05:10
pixil9got a link?05:10
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nickrudyeah, the first ten have nothing to do with linux05:10
GUISlavehttp://www.iwave.ro/mini_distros/05:11
GUISlaveRomainia05:11
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Nat^^Hi Guys !05:11
nickrudpixil9, if you want to take a day or two, you can actually make sid work nicely.  Ran it for  years.05:11
lewwyhey guys, when i try to login to ubuntu under my standard account, i experience graphical corruption in the top left hand corner of my screen, and then it takes me straight back to the login screen.  however when i go into terminal by killing the x server and su into root, and then startx it promptly works.  any suggestions?05:11
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pixil9it says xorg has no installation candidate05:11
Nat^^My first time on Ubuntu (live on Ibook G3 )...wowww :)05:11
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pixil9xorg-common05:12
mrc3Nat^^, i'm on ibook g3 too! how's your ride going?05:12
nickrudpixil9, that probably can be beat05:12
Nat^^very very well :)05:12
pixil9i need something that won't fuckup for the next year cuz my bro is takin the laptop to australia05:12
Nat^^but i have a problem...05:13
nickrudpixil9, nothing is that good.05:13
GUISlaveDSL would probably work nicely with that laptop05:13
GUISlaveIt's 50 megs though05:13
pixil9anything *nix should beat win9505:13
pixil9DSL?05:13
lewwyguys, anyone looking at my prob?05:13
GUISlaveDamn Small Linux05:13
mrc3nickrud, i ran linux from scratch for 1.5 years, 8 months of which i didn't even reboot! :)05:13
GUISlaveI've loaded it and it works nicely05:14
GUISlaveDebian based05:14
Nat^^I run a debian on this Ibook, a sarge, I do not know why the dhclient does not work anymore...in your opinion I could mount the root debian partition from ubuntu live and install another dhclient there ??05:14
nomasteryodawhat is the equivalent of /etc/rc.d/rc.local  on ubuntu??05:14
nickrudmrc3, I'm still living off my experience from building and running LFS05:14
pixil9GUISlave, floppy install? :P05:14
GUISlaveUm, lemme check.05:14
nomasteryodathks05:15
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TwEeThey05:15
nomasteryodahey05:15
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crimsunnomasteryoda: there is none. You make an /etc/init.d/script and create the symlinks with update-rc.d05:15
TwEeTWill a 500mhz 256mb comp work ok with gnome/ubuntu?05:15
nomasteryodaok05:15
nomasteryodacool05:15
Nat^^I was able to mount my debian root partition but...I do not know the command to let ubuntu install some application there...helppp !!!05:15
crimsunTwEeT: yes05:15
fazerits a nice feeling knowing that you won't be hit with spyware in Ubuntu =)05:15
nickrudnomasteryoda, there is none, you write a new script, based on /etc/init.d/skeleton, drop it into /etc/init.d and link it05:15
GUISlaveftp://ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/distributions/damnsmall/current/05:15
nomasteryodacrimsun, cool05:15
nomasteryodanickrud, thanks05:15
TwEeTWill it be horribly slow05:15
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GUISlaveI see boot.img files05:15
TwEeT?05:15
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crimsunTwEeT: no05:16
nomasteryodayou guys rock!05:16
pixil9ah05:16
pixil9nice05:16
TwEeT<crimsun> oh really? is there any tweaks that I can perform to get the best out of it?05:16
mrc3Nat^^, i'm new to ubuntu and debian altogether, sorry i can't help05:16
pixil9I will try it05:16
crimsunTwEeT: though I recommend you consider slimmer alternative desktops like fluxbox and Xfce05:16
pixil9for something to do05:16
nomasteryodai just installed Ubuntu on this Dell D505 and am trying to setup the 1400x1050 res05:16
TwEeT<crimsun> I'm installing it for my sister, and gnome is the easiest05:16
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crimsunTwEeT: Xfce is quite nice, too05:16
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fazerTwEeT: gnome should be good enough I guess.  I run xfce with Ubuntu on a PII 366 MHz with 160 MB ram =/05:17
pixil9GUISlave, downloadin now05:17
nickrudnomasteryoda, what's in your monitor section of /etc/X11/xorg.conf05:17
Nat^^mrc3, thank you anyway...i think to need a poweruser..sigh..05:17
fazerTwEeT: sometimes its terribly slow when you have too much stuff open.05:17
hypnoNat^^ please rephrase your question?05:17
TwEeT<crimsun> I understand, gnome is better though =D05:17
Nat^^I was able to mount my debian root partition but...I do not know the command to let ubuntu install some application there...helppp !!!05:17
fazerTwEeT: gnome is better when it comes to userfriendlyness, yes.05:17
Nat^^I have to change my dhclient on my deb partition...05:17
hypnorephrase, not repeat ;)05:17
lewwyhey guys, when i try to login to ubuntu under my standard account, i experience graphical corruption in the top left hand corner of my screen, and then it takes me straight back to the login screen.  however when i go into terminal by killing the x server and su into root, and then startx it promptly works.  any suggestions?05:17
fazerTwEeT: like, plug in a USB drive and itusually recognizes it and makes a desktop icon for you.05:17
Nat^^sorry hipno :)05:18
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TwEeT<fazer> Thats what I need, User Friendliness05:18
hypnoyou have a installation of both debian and ubuntu and you want to install something on the debian one?05:18
crimsunfazer: you can get that same functionality in another environment by invoking gnome-volume-manager &05:18
Nat^^well essentially I need to install some apps from ubuntu live on the HD ( a debian root partition) is possible and how ?05:18
TwEeTI guess I'll try it and see how it goes05:18
crimsunfazer: and you'd probably find gnome-settings-daemon &  useful, too05:18
Nat^^exactly hipno !05:18
TwEeTI'm converting her early, I showed her what it looked like and she's like, i want it, i want it... ok then, you got it05:19
crimsunNat^^: chroot into your Debian install05:19
fazercrimsun: oh..thanks!05:19
TwEeTAlmost got my mom to switch, she just is a "windows" victim.05:19
hypnoNat^^ assuming the networking on the debian is broken, you'll have to copy the needed .deb files over, then reboot into debian and install them normally05:19
TwEeTShe doesn't want to "learn" a new thing/05:19
fazerTwEeT: give your sister a mac Mini, she'll seriously dig it!05:19
TwEeTScrew that05:20
fazer=/05:20
Nat^^good workaround hypno !05:20
Marble2I feel so awesome, I just compiled my own .deb and it's working perfectly05:20
crimsunhypno: no need. He can mount his Debian partition then chroot it.05:20
TwEeTI know she will, but we don't have money to spend on crap like that05:20
Nat^^I am going to download the dhclient deb :)05:20
fazerTwEeT: heh =/05:20
Nat^^crimsun, I am sorry but I do not know how chroot :(05:20
fazerTwEeT: its not really crap, the new Tiger release is a revolution when it comes to OS =/05:20
hypnocrimsun it's the path of least resistance.. :)05:20
Nat^^could you explain or is tool05:20
crimsunNat^^: are you in Ubuntu?05:20
TwEeT<fazer> How so, all I see on their homepage is widgets05:20
Nat^^just now !05:20
pixil9GUISlave, somehow i doubt this will support my xircom pccard :P05:20
TwEeTand some better search functions05:21
crimsunNat^^: and where is your Debian partition mounted if you're in Ubuntu?05:21
fazerTwEeT: its other things that make you go "wow" when you use it.05:21
Nat^^but is a live version05:21
crimsunNat^^: that's fine05:21
Nat^^on /mnt (starting from /dev/hda11)05:21
fazerTwEeT: its rock solidly stable and has the UNIX interface ... its basically UNIX05:21
TwEeT<fazer> I know, but I don't like ONLY using mac hardware, that gives them a HUGE advantage05:21
TwEeTin creating a sweet os05:21
crimsunNat^^: sudo chroot /mnt /bin/bash05:21
Nat^^ok05:21
TwEeTthey don't have to worry about hardware conflicts, compatibility at all for the most part...05:22
fazerTwEeT: exactly, that's a sacrifice you have to make to receive rock solid stability05:22
TwEeT<fazer> linux seems rock solid to me05:22
TwEeTand windows XP (at times)05:22
TwEeTmost times05:22
TwEeTbut ya, its rock solid for the most part05:23
fazerTwEeT: I'd say they both are.  But config'ing it can be a pain =/05:23
Nat^^ok no errors, but if i understood i changed my root partition now ??05:23
KernelPanicho needs windows??:p05:23
TwEeT<KernelPanic> Me05:23
TwEeTGames.05:23
zenroxTwEeT,  what games05:23
KernelPanic:p05:23
TwEeTI would switch in one split second05:23
crimsunNat^^: you're now in your Debian partition, and for all practical purposes, are in fact running Debian05:23
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TwEeTMostly steam apps, and sometimes BF1942, stuff like that05:23
KernelPanicdoom3 enz can you also play on Linux:)05:23
GUISlaveI hate the fact that windows doesn't control everything.05:23
whaqsome commercial multimedia content creations also05:23
Nat^^and...can I use apt from there ???05:23
zenroxTwEeT,  most popular games are able to be played on linux05:23
fazercrimsun: is gnome-volume-manager a GUI or just a background application?05:23
crimsunNat^^: yep05:23
GUISlaveWhen I say shutdown, I mean shutdown and kill everything05:23
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crimsunfazer: "background"05:24
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fazercrimsun: ah hehe okay.05:24
TwEeTPlus the Skype support in ubuntu isn't that good (or vice versa), I already bought cedega for a month, i almost switched, but I converted my laptop05:24
Nat^^Greaaaatttttteeeee !!!!! Thank you infinitely crimsun !!!! :)))05:24
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treyDhey guys, i have a dell 700m and i can't my screen working properly05:24
crimsunNat^^: np05:24
treyDi download 855resolution05:24
treyDits installed05:24
zenroxTwEeT,  skype takes some playing around to get it to work05:24
pixil9Ok. The laptop is getting towed by my truck05:24
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treyDbut it hasn't changed my resolution05:24
nickrudpixil9, I could have used it!!!05:25
TwEeTI presume simple is the best theme to use on a slower comp...05:25
zenroxTwEeT, ill help you get yours set up right05:25
TwEeT<zenrox> Yours?05:25
Nat^^mmhhh I am doing an apt update but..it is not using my source list...is all right ?05:25
TwEeT<zenrox> Skype?05:25
zenroxskype05:25
TwEeTya, i got it working for the most part05:25
zenroxoh ok05:25
treyDanybody?05:25
crimsunNat^^: it should be using your Debian one05:25
pixil9heh05:25
TwEeTI just wish I could get other sound to work while using it ( is it possible )05:26
fazercrimsun: would you happen to know why in bluefish, I can see my FTP server fine but in gedit i can't? (gnome-vfs thing)05:26
holysmokesanyone know if it's possible to boot from the install cd and install from the net?05:26
nickrudoh well05:26
Nat^^ok, I am going to verify it05:26
crimsunfazer: I don't know offhand05:26
zenroxTwEeT,  unless esd is loaded05:26
zenroxTwEeT,  and every thang uses the esd05:26
fazercrimsun: oh05:27
TwEeT<zenrox> umm... i have it set up where ESD scans to see if the soundcard is in use by another app ( i think, i put an option in the esd.conf so that I don't have to kill esd before using it)05:27
TwEeTMakes it a lot better05:27
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crimsunTwEeT: " -as 5" ?05:27
SQL_Samhello all05:27
fazerSQL_Sam: hey05:27
TwEeTya05:27
TwEeTthats it05:27
nickrud-as 5 thanks05:27
frank_holysmokes, Yeah you can install packages in live cd05:27
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fazerfrank_: you never knew that?05:28
fazerfrank_: oh wait...nevermind, bah05:28
fazerDidn't know holysmokes was a username05:28
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TwEeTwhere is open office located on the hard drive?05:28
holysmokesheh05:28
frank_lol05:28
fazerTwEeT: the binary file?05:28
TwEeTI downloaded a quick start gnome panel dock thing, that makes it load faster, but i have05:28
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holysmokesfrank_, is there a guide somewhere for this process perhaps?05:28
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TwEeTOo 2.0 and where is it located05:28
TwEeThold on05:28
SQL_SamI installed a new stick of ram, and have some questions.  Can anyone help?05:29
fazerTwEeT: I tihnk in /usr/lib/05:29
NeonLightningwhat is the console command for copying05:29
TwEeTIt asks for "Full Path to the OpenOffice.org application"05:29
crimsunTwEeT: /usr/lib/openoffice/program/05:29
pixil9thx for all the help people.. bbl05:29
nickrudNeonLightning, cp05:29
crimsunTwEeT: then the binaries in there05:29
frank_holysmokes, Its exactly like the real thing. Setup internet, start synaptic / apt-get, install away05:29
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frank_holysmokes, only nothing is permanent but its good to try things05:30
TwEeTi don't know if this applet will work then =/05:30
TwEeToih05:30
TwEeTnvm05:30
frank_holysmokes, oh and add lines to /etc/sources.list  if appropriate05:30
TwEeTi took off the /program05:30
TwEeTand it worked05:30
TwEeTthanks05:30
hypnoSQL_Sam better to just ask the question, somone may answer05:30
holysmokesfrank_, ahh.. i'm definitely looking to permanently install a system, but the cd-rom is dodgy.. keeps encountering read errors during the installation of the base system, so i was hoping i could complete that portion of this install over the net insteads05:31
TwEeTcrap, nvm05:31
TwEeTit didn't work there either05:31
TwEeTahhh05:31
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TwEeTHow long do free cd's usually take to get here?05:32
TwEeTOr for them to process it...05:32
OlsenWTF i compiled mplayer and i don't have xv, do i need the xorg libraries?05:32
Olsenxorg-x11 libs05:32
nickrudTwEeT, my order took about 40 days05:32
nickrudroughly05:33
TwEeTeh, ok, thanks for the info05:33
SQL_Sami installed a stick of ram - 256mb.  I simply shutdown - added the stick and then turned the box on - I got major failures after that.  I basically got fed up and reinstalled with the new stick and it seems to be working fine.  My question is what did i do wrong?05:33
TwEeTthats amazing that they can ship and stamp them for FREE!05:33
mikecois the process of making a ubuntu live cd the same as making a knoppix cd?05:33
TwEeTHoly crap, the torrent for hoary is sooo fast05:33
mikecowell, dvd in this case , but anyway05:33
frank_holysmokes, oh you have trouble with the install cd? Try burning it again and do a verify burn in your burning software05:33
fazerSQL_Sam: woah...damn.05:34
TwEeTDoes anyone have a favorite theme? Preferably for a slower computer?05:34
holysmokesfrank_, i'm fairly certain that it's the drive on the target system.. i've used to the same cd to install on two other machines in the last couple of days05:34
fazerSQL_Sam: what errors did yousee?05:34
fazerTwEeT: theme...for gnome?05:34
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frank_holysmokes, There must be a way to do a minimal install then install everything else via apt-get but I don't know how05:35
TwEeTya, for gnome05:35
SQL_Samin the boot sequence etc/config.d input/output - something to that effect (didnt get time to write it down - which i should have)05:35
holysmokesfrank_, doh.. yeah, it seems it should be.. oh well, thanks05:35
nickrudTwEeT, use Default for slow machines05:35
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nickrudkinda ugly but fast05:36
mikecois he still using gnome on a slow machine?05:36
nickrudI am05:36
mikecobecause he could just ditch gnome itself and maybe use the window manager05:36
TwEeToh god uglay05:36
SQL_Samstupid question - i got another stick that I want to add (just wanted to get it working first with the 256 ram).  what do i need to do to add this stick?  What would be the 'process'?05:37
Nat^^Guys, is better pump or dhcp3 as client ??05:37
mikecothough, i still used gnome on a 266MHz box05:37
nickrudAll in all, gnome's strong points more than make up for bloat, imho05:37
SkyNetSQL_Sam just install it on the machine i guess05:37
mikecoagreed05:37
fazerSQL_Sam: http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/topic-6775.html05:37
mikecoi use windowmaker or flux for forwarded x connections though05:38
mikecoor vnc05:38
nickrudmikeco, 466 celeron :)05:38
SQL_Sami'm having problems with the net right now.... Mozilla is hanging and times out05:38
mikeconickrud, that's an excellent server for a local net05:38
TwEeT<nickrud> thats almost what my sister is on05:38
nickrudmikeco, this machine is my local net :)05:38
mikecoheh, i use a p200 for mine05:38
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mikeconickrud, whatever works05:39
TwEeTwhat do you use your servers for?05:39
fazerSQL_Sam: I guess your BIOS doesn't check for ram upon startup.05:39
mikecoTwEeT, backing up files, etc05:39
mikecoemail, one is a video and music server05:39
Nat^^does anybody know the difference in stability netween pump and dhcp3 as dhcp clients ?05:39
SQL_Samhow do i message a person on this IRC - im way noob05:40
mikeco /msg or /query nickname05:40
fazerSQL_Sam: what IRC client are you using?05:40
SQL_Samx-chat05:41
fazerSQL_Sam: double click on the person's name.05:41
fazerSQL_Sam: or type /msg <nickname> <message here>05:41
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mikeconickrud, do you need some hardware?05:42
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mikecoi collect crap people don't use anymore05:42
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SQL_Samanyway to speed up mozilla?  omg it is still trying to open a page!05:42
nickrudmikeco, the non-profit I work for could05:42
mikecoi could probably send you a athlon xp board and cpu05:42
mikecomatter of fact, i know i could05:42
mikecoathlon xp 2000, shuttle xpc board, and a gig stick of ddr05:43
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mikecoit's just sitting in the box05:43
nickrudmikeco, drool05:43
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mikecodude, this little shop down the road from me, startech sells crap soo cheap05:43
mikecosometimes he gives it away to make room for new stuff05:43
fazerSQL_Sam: probably the server over the other end is causingp problems?05:44
fazermikeco: nice...05:44
mikecoi don't have an extra shuttle case, but i bet it would work just fine in a standard case05:44
nickrudmikeco, I'm getting old, can't throw working stuff away05:44
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mikecoor retrofitted into a desktop case, like an old dell05:44
nickrudnot fair, tempting me like this05:45
SQL_Samdont think so - i got a xp box and this one hooked up to a dsl modem with a linksys wireless router the xp screams compared to ubuntu?05:45
mikecoie: he sells 19in lcd monitors for about 299 dollars05:45
SQL_Samlol - i told my wife that she could surf with lunix, but she'll get pissed if it is this slow05:46
mikecomozilla or firefox?05:46
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lewwydoes the file IntrinsicP.h ring a bell to anyone in here?05:46
SQL_Sammozilla firefox that came with ubuntu05:47
IIIEarsHello! - setting a root password in user and groups doesn't seem to change anything. - Is is suppossed to?05:47
mikecocheck to see if you have good connectivity05:47
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Robifirefox works fine in ubuntu05:47
tsumeditto05:48
SQL_Samwhat is the command to check ram?05:48
yoinktry some of the firefox tweaks....google it.05:48
Robilets see how long it takes for 1.03 to come out05:48
SQL_Sami want to verify that isnt it05:48
flodinehas anyone installed enlightenment with the package manager05:48
incdoesn't firefox come standard now?05:48
Robifree05:48
mikecoflodine, no, but it's easy to build05:48
IIIEarsfirefox works very well - check out the nifty about:config commands available05:48
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yoinkso, probably not a browser issue05:49
mikecoi even find e17 usefull05:49
flodineare you talking abut E1705:49
incfinally got my wifi card working05:49
mikecoe16 and e17 are good05:49
lewwyhey guys, when i try to login to ubuntu under my standard account, i experience graphical corruption in the top left hand corner of my screen, and then it takes me straight back to the login screen.  however when i go into terminal by killing the x server and su into root, and then startx it promptly works.  any suggestions?05:49
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Robiinc ya me too05:49
thr1ceanyone good with ATI drivers ?05:49
mikecodefine good05:49
Robibit slow timing out05:49
nickrude16 was what hooked me on linux. sldiing destops, yum05:49
SQL_Sami have a amd k6 but need to check the ram - i think it is cat something.... can someone help?05:50
mikecohaha05:50
inchad to upgrade the kernel and then when i rebooted bam it's working05:50
mikecoi like the speed05:50
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RobiSQL_Sam, free05:50
mikecowhen you turn off some of the eyecandy, e is damn quick05:50
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Nat^^see ya guys, I am going to reboot my sarge and test the dhcp...hope well :)05:50
nickrudwhat's the point, without the eyecandy05:50
thr1ceok; I changed to the 686 kernel, and got this05:50
mikecouh05:50
thr1cesorry if it's long...05:50
thr1ce(WW) fglrx(0): ***********************************************05:50
thr1ce(WW) fglrx(0): * DRI initialization failed!                  *05:50
thr1ce(WW) fglrx(0): * (maybe driver kernel module missing or bad) *05:50
thr1ce(WW) fglrx(0): * 2D acceleraton available (MMIO)             *05:50
thr1ce(WW) fglrx(0): * no 3D acceleration available                *05:50
thr1ce(WW) fglrx(0): ********************************************* *05:50
incahh05:50
thr1cecrap...sorry05:50
discordanyone know about a net install on a laptop without cdrom05:50
mikecomy guess would be to have a working desktop?05:50
nickrudthr1ce, #flood05:51
discordI have debian on it right now05:51
crimsundiscord: netboot.05:51
incfree does work to show u ram?05:51
discordyeah05:51
thr1cenickrud, sorry; didn't think it'd be that big05:51
discordhmm05:51
lewwywhats the shockwave plugin for firefox called?05:51
mikeconickrud, hmm. you don't need the eyecandy to use e05:51
mikecosilly wabbit05:51
thr1cei didn't switch kernel versions, only to the 686 instead of 386 kernel05:51
thr1ceI built it from the 68605:51
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thr1ceanyone have any ideas ?05:52
mikecoyou rebuilt the kernel module from /lib/modules/fglrx?05:52
mikecofor your kernel that is05:52
discordcrimsun, is there another way I already have debian and grub on the laptop05:52
thr1cemikeco, I upgraded kernels, and then built it05:52
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SQL_Samcan someone give me some helpful sites for learning bash shell commands?05:53
nickrudmikeco, but it's what made e. eterm, sliding desktops, incredibly beautiful backgrounds, shiny metal ...05:53
thr1cerpm -> deb, built it, ran though fglrxconfig, and now that happens05:53
crimsundiscord: just change your sources.list, update, and dist-upgrade. And pray.05:53
flodinehow do i install a .deb file05:53
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discordcrimsun05:53
thr1cedpkg -i05:53
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Robithere an equivalent of gkrellm?05:53
discordi heard bad things happen when you try to go from debian to ubuntu like that05:53
mikecook05:53
thr1cemikeco, any ideas ?05:53
mikecoand that's the only warning you get from Xorg?05:54
crimsundiscord: yes, and I'll be the first to tell you not to do it. But the machine I'm typing from is testament that it can be done.05:54
seven_six_twomy pc did something bad a little while ago, i don't know what. I couldn't start and package managers or use apt. there was nothing in my var/lib/apt directory and it was looking for a non existant file. i touched the file and synaptic runs now, but it seems to think dpkg isn't installed05:54
thr1cemikeco, built on 2.6.10-5-68605:54
Robiso install ubuntu as default and enjoy some of the debian pkgs later that dont come with ubuntu yet05:54
discordcrimsun, I was able to install debian by getting a cd image onto the laptop and booting it from grub05:54
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thr1cemikeco, yes, the only one that affects 3D accel; everything else looks fine05:54
thr1ceandrew@brouwers:~$ fglrxinfo05:54
thr1cedisplay: :0.0  screen: 005:54
thr1ceOpenGL vendor string: Mesa project: www.mesa3d.org05:54
seven_six_twosynaptic won't install dpkg either, since it seems to need dpkg to install it05:54
discordcrimsun, is there anything similar for ubuntu?05:54
lewwyhey guys, when i try to login to ubuntu under my standard account, i experience graphical corruption in the top left hand corner of my screen, and then it takes me straight back to the login screen.  however when i go into terminal by killing the x server and su into root, and then startx it promptly works.  any suggestions?05:55
thr1cewon't show up in fglrxinfo either05:55
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mikecoand your xorg.conf is all correct?05:55
crimsundiscord: it'll be easiest for you simply to bootstrap into ubuntu using what you're on05:55
mrc3hey all! any wav player for the command line?05:55
flodinecedega_4.3.1-1_i386.deb how do i install this05:55
crimsunmrc3: aplay05:55
discordokay im gonna try it05:55
mrc3or any way to get sound from bmp, wxvlc, and all the gang?05:55
discordfingers crossed05:55
crimsunflodine: sudo dpkg -i cedega_4.3.1-1_i386.deb05:55
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thr1cemikeco, i did remove my 386 kernel05:55
mrc3crimsun, thanks for the prompt answer! let me check05:55
flodinethxs05:55
crimsunflodine: presuming, of course, that you are on i38605:56
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flodineyes05:56
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TwEeTdoes anyone know if sony minidisc players are compatible with ubuntu05:57
frank_is downloading cedega stealing or just being impolite?05:57
discordanyone have the url to that unofficial hoary install guide or whatever the one which tells you how to optimize the dist?05:57
seven_six_twoi pasted apt-get error in flood05:57
discorddistro05:57
smouchewww.ubuntuguide.org ?05:58
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mrc3crimsun, aplay means alsaplayer?05:59
crimsunmrc3: no, the binary /usr/bin/aplay05:59
hobocopsup people05:59
crimsunmrc3: as in: aplay -Dplughw:0,0 foo.wav05:59
nickrudseven_six_two, try deleting  /var/cache/apt/archives/lock05:59
seven_six_twok05:59
WillySillyis there a way to generate a new status file for apt?05:59
dataw0lfTwEeT: there have been several various projects to this effect.06:01
SQL_Samokay i just read something about ram and swap partitions - i didnt do any partitioning.  can someone guide me to what the hell I should do as I would really like to make this box scream as fast as i can06:01
dataw0lfdo a google for NetMD and Linux06:01
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seven_six_twonickrud, that got me a step farther. thanks. but how do you install dpkg without dpkg installed?06:02
fazerSQL_Sam: its a BIOS thing I guess.  Your BIOS isn't set to check for ram upon startup.06:02
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nickrudseven_six_two, what's the next error06:02
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seven_six_twoi'll put the whole thing in flood06:03
nickrudk06:03
Sianishi all06:03
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mrc3crimsun, great! if i don't get any sound from it, but loads of sound from gaim, what could be wrong? same happens with mpg321 and almost everything else06:03
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nomasteryodawhat is the default run mode for ubuntu? rc3, 4 or 5?06:04
sheenahow do i add programs to startup>?06:04
sheenaor get programs to start at logon?06:04
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crimsunmrc3: if you're in gnome, it's due to esd blocking /dev/dsp06:04
b2snomasteryoda: strangely, rc206:04
nomasteryodaok06:04
nomasteryodathat is odd06:04
nomasteryodabut thanks06:04
abarbacciahey all - question - is the default i386 install done by ubuntu 5.04 have an smp kernel installed?06:04
nomasteryodanow I can make my i855GM video work right06:04
mrc3crimsun, yeah, precisely. is there anything that could be done?06:04
crimsunmrc3: pkill esd06:05
nnonixabarbaccia, no06:05
dr_willissheena,  what kind of programs?06:05
seven_six_twonickrud, it looks bad i think06:05
nickrudseven_six_two, ok sudo mkdir /var/lib/dpkg /updates  and try again.06:05
seven_six_twook06:05
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abarbacciannonix, do you know the apt-get package name to install it? or do i need to compile?06:05
sheenafirewall06:05
nnonixabarbaccia, what processor?06:05
sheenaupdate manager06:05
abarbacciap406:06
nickrudseven_six_two, I hope you didn't leave the space :)06:06
seven_six_twolol...nope. typed it out06:06
abarbacciaw. >1 gb ram06:06
dr_willissheena,  firewalling stuff is normally ran by the various runlevels.  so when you install the firewall package with apt-get it should add the right stuff automaticially.06:06
abarbacciaincase there is an optimized kernel for that06:06
sheenaawesome06:06
sheenathanks06:06
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RaskallMade a brochure for my business idea. Appreciate some input: http://rolfas.net/Smubuntu-brosjyre-eng-1.png06:07
IIIEarsfirestarter or shorewall is best?06:07
Raskallwarning: 1.5 MB file.06:07
sheenai like firestarter havne't tryed shorewall06:07
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mrc3crimsun, thanks a lot!! that was the answer i was looking for!06:07
IIIEarsare there better apps fore generating netfilter scripts?06:07
mrc3i thought it was going to be all integrated06:07
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speedy2782I am trying to access my linux laptop from a windows laptop through a wireless network connection but I can not find the linux lappy on the network. Is there another shortcut or step I am missing. I am able to find the XP laptop from linux...not the other way around.06:08
nickrudIIIEars, firestarter *just works* , shorewall is better for servers.06:08
IIIEarsThank You06:09
nnonixabarbaccia, sudo apt-get install linux-686-smp06:09
nnonixabarbaccia, then reboot06:09
abarbacciathank you - appreciate it - dont need to edit grub.conf?06:09
seven_six_twonickrud, a few steps later, and more errors for flood. i touched a file it said was nonexistant.....i'll post once more06:10
nnonixabarbaccia, no, it will boot to the newer kernel. After you are sure you are happy with it, you could modify grub.conf to remove references to the 386 kernel .... completely up to you.06:10
abarbacciannonix, thanks, appreciate it - quick question as to your preference - u use gnome or kde and why?06:10
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speedy2782does anyone have any advice while I puruse wiki06:11
nnonixabarbaccia, I use gnome because its default in ubuntu, fedora, redhat, solaris10, etc.06:11
incanyone try to install ubuntu on gmail?06:11
nnonixabarbaccia, I'm not married to gnome for any mystical reasons06:12
abarbacciannonix, i just switched from mandrake which uses kde - and i like gnome for the same exact reason, but some apps you can't argue with (amarok, k3b...)06:12
crimsuninc: err...?06:12
abarbacciaalright - i'm gonna reboot - thanks for the input nnonix big help06:12
inclol well you know how ou can mount gmail as a mount point in linux06:12
nnonixabarb, np06:12
incor windwos for that matter06:13
holycowhey, does ubuntu put home on a different partition by default?  the d-i partitioner shows no indications of anything other than a single partition and swap space being created on install06:13
crimsunholycow: by default, it's one whoppin' /06:14
astro76holycow: it puts everything on /06:14
seven_six_twosorry...it was asking for debconf when i try to install dpkg06:14
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seven_six_twothe current error is in #flood06:14
synichey folks - I'm having a little trouble with hoary.  Every once in a while, something happens that makes it so I can't run commands.06:14
syniceven ps fax hangs06:14
nickrudseven_six_two, ok, lets try this06:15
holycowastro76, crimsun ah, thats what i thought, thanks06:15
nickrudcd /var/cashe/apt/archies06:15
nickrudcd /var/cashe/apt/archives06:15
inccrimsun: check this out http://hackaday.com/entry/1234000990039809/06:15
nickruddpkg -i dpkg<tab>06:15
synicanyone have any idea of what it could be?06:15
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holycowhow many gigs is the full debian testing? 12 cds right? so 20 gigs should be enough for the / partition right?06:15
nickrudcd /var/cache/apt/archives06:15
seven_six_twowait a sec06:15
seven_six_twoi messed up the paste06:15
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flodinesomeone trying to hack my sh....t06:16
speedy2782what do I need to do to find the ubuntu laptop on a windows network06:17
abinadidhello anybody running xlink kai??06:17
TwEeT<abinadid> I AM!06:17
seven_six_twonickrud, i did that but tabbing didn't select anything for me06:17
SQL_Samwhat reason would there be for firefox to be running slow or timing out?06:17
incyou need to setup a samba shared i think speedy278206:18
nickrudseven_six_two, don't worry about that, it's something we'll talk about later.06:18
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seven_six_twospeedy2782, are you running samba server?06:18
seven_six_twonickrud, ok06:18
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aspurujoin #skype06:18
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speedy2782762' I dont know if I am or not06:18
speedy2782it is installed though06:18
nickrudseven_six_two, ls dpkg*06:18
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incfirefox gmail plugin rock06:18
seven_six_twonickrud, same dir?06:18
nickrudyes06:18
aspurudoes anybody have experience or trouble with skype + home routers/firewalls?06:19
seven_six_twono such file or dir06:19
SQL_Samthere is a gmail plugin for linux? cool!06:19
nickrudseven_six_two, is there anything in /var/cache/apt/archives?06:19
speedy2782what command would I use to access the laptop?06:19
seven_six_twoyes. lots of deb files06:19
speedy2782from XP?06:19
nickrudbut no dpkg*06:20
incyup got a notifier for firefox.. even check my adsense06:20
abinadid<Tweet> i need some help06:20
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RaskallSQL_Sam: You can actually mount your gmail as a drive on your machine with the gfs file system06:20
seven_six_twonope06:20
nickrudhow about debconf*06:20
seven_six_twojust the doc06:20
incRaskall: you got the url on that? i was looking for docs to set that up. I'm using the windows version.. works pretty well06:21
seven_six_twodebconf-doc_1.4.42ubuntu4_all.deb06:21
slappy16you guys having fun?06:21
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nickrudslappy16 gets slapped06:21
slappy16*gasp*06:21
nickrudunless he has the fix :)06:21
TwEeT<abinadid> ya06:21
slappy16is this related to the apt issue he had earlier?06:21
Raskallinc: I just read about it on freshmeat some weeks ago. hang on06:21
seven_six_twoyes06:21
incmmm frshmeat06:22
SQL_Samwhat is a gfs file system - sorry I'm way noob06:22
abinadid<TwEeT> i need a litle help tryng to install it06:22
nekohayois someone unable to mount USB drives on breezy right now?06:22
nickrudsame thing, we're further along, if you'll take a look at #flood06:22
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incyeah saw something on /. too06:22
speedy2782what command do I type in windows to access the ubuntu laptop06:22
SQL_Sami like slashdot06:22
seven_six_twoi can post again if you'd like06:22
seven_six_twospeedy2782, you have to run a samba server06:22
slappy16ill go through it06:22
seven_six_twoand set up the workgroup06:22
speedy2782what is a samba server. and how do I run it06:22
nickrudslaps are reversed06:23
SQL_Samwindows file share06:23
seven_six_twosamba is how linux shares with windows06:23
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Raskallinc: cant seem to find it again. Am not sure where I read about it.. sorry06:23
TwEeT<abinadid> Sry, I can't help you know, bed time, catch me tomorrow, or PM me06:23
TwEeTlater06:23
TwEeTread as much as you can06:23
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incfound it in /. it links to this http://richard.jones.name/google-hacks/gmail-filesystem/gmail-filesystem.html06:23
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abinadidwait06:23
abinadidthis is my email06:24
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htaccessspeedy2782: what do you mean by access? shell access, accessing the files, or perhaps access to the gui desktop06:24
abinadidabimendez@gmail.com06:24
crimsuninc: you need to install gmailfs06:24
Raskallinc: http://richard.jones.name/google-hacks/gmail-filesystem/gmail-filesystem.html06:24
abinadidso if you have time writeme and email with some instructions  (i'm a newbie on linux)06:25
increading though that now Raskall06:25
WillySillyis there a way to generate a new status file for apt?06:25
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Raskallinc: google came through for me again. She's a good friend.06:26
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Raskall:)06:26
kakaltoubuntu handles unreal tournament nicely :D06:26
tuxcool06:26
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SQL_SamI'm soooo frustrated trying to figure out why firefox is being so weird - I can open a link from when someone posts one here - but if i open firefox from my desktop and simply type in www.google.com - it will just time out!06:26
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thr1ceanyone running breezy ?06:27
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flodinewhat do i need for my alsa and ogg sound to work06:27
inclol google is the microsoft's little brother.. wait till it grows up lol j/k06:27
crimsunthr1ce: yes, why?06:27
thr1cecrimsun, is it pretty stable yet ?06:27
SQL_Samit is a nice search engine non the less and it is timing out - hell if I cant open google forget my pron ;-)06:27
crimsunthr1ce: for me, yes. I expect flux for a while, though.06:28
seven_six_twoah where is sources again? etc/???/apt?06:28
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seven_six_twonm06:28
dAsTrOhi06:28
thr1cecrimsun, I can just change every hoary in /etc/apt/sources.list to breezy ?06:28
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abinadidbesides tweet anyone else running xlink kai?????06:28
crimsunthr1ce: yes, but I'd hold off doing that.06:28
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thr1cecrimsun, why?  I want some updated stuff06:29
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hoodieboy711hey06:29
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abinadidi really need some help running this packcage06:29
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crimsunthr1ce: *shrug* Don't say I didn't warn ya.06:30
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thr1cecrimsun, hehe, k :)06:30
thr1cecrimsun, it's a fresh install; if I screw it up, i'm not out anything06:31
hoodieboy711i have 2 80 gb satas on a raid controller as a raid 0 and im running windows x64 right now on it, and id like to use a secondary partition for ubuntu x64, when try to install ubuntu i just see the individual hdds instead of a single raided one or indiviual partitions06:31
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hoodieboy711anyone know how to get the install to identify a hardware raid over individual drives?06:31
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hoodieboy711anyone? hardware raid install?06:32
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inccrimsun: you ever use ipod shuffle raid? http://www.wrightthisway.com/Articles/000154.html06:33
HrdwrBoBhoodieboy711: that's because it's not raid06:33
HrdwrBoBhoodieboy711: it's not hardware raid at all06:33
yoink23excuse me, im having trouble getting write permission to a fat 32 partition, any tips?06:33
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slappy16im really questioning the default install/enabled packages/services of hoary06:34
Jeezishello all06:34
Jeezisi have a quick question regarding kwifimanager06:34
calchoodieboy711: you are probably using bios raid which is just a different type of software raid, you can get around it by using dmraid module in linux but i don't know if the installer supports it06:34
slappy16lvm, raid, postfix...no ssh06:34
HrdwrBoBinc: hahah... or you could get a mini06:34
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rattboislappy16, I know what you mean06:35
Clydekiuvole06:35
Jeezishow do you make kwifimanager switch channels?06:35
calchttp://people.redhat.com/~heinzm/sw/dmraid/06:35
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thr1cecrimsun, we'll see I suppose06:35
thr1cecrimsun, what do you expect, this to just not even load ?06:36
crimsuninc: I don't have an ipod06:36
crimsunthr1ce: it should work just fine06:36
Jeezisi have a wlan set up but for some reason kwifimanager only scans channel 6, my router is channel 1106:36
incHrdwrBoB well it's better than floppy raid http://ohlssonvox.8k.com/fdd_raid.htm06:36
thr1cecrimsun, should I update the kernel to a 2.6.11 too ?06:36
WillySillyis there a way to generate a new status file for apt?06:37
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evilmegamanHi, Does anyone use cedega in here? the cedega channel isn't responding :(06:37
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crimsunthr1ce: no.06:37
Jeezisis there a better client to control my wireless card than kwifimanager?06:37
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darGori apt-getted xmms and mplayer. both, when i start there, just freeze. anyone know why dont work ??06:38
crimsunWillySilly: use dselect.06:38
crimsundarGor: change your output plugin to esound06:38
thr1cecrimsun, why not ?06:38
WillySillythen what?06:38
crimsunthr1ce: because it's not supported.06:38
darGorcrimsun: oki i'll try that, thanks!06:38
storekroHow can I do an automatic installation of a server install?  Whenever I do it, I get desktop.06:38
crimsunthr1ce: and ubuntu will not be altering it.06:38
slappy16rattboi: no kidding...and try finding a complete vnc and ncurses4-dev06:38
thr1cecrimsun, is ubuntu just waiting for 2.6.12 ?06:38
hoodieboy711anyone know how to get ubuntu to install on a hardware raid?06:39
crimsunthr1ce: work is pretty much done with 2.6.12rc2+, yes06:39
rattboislappy16, I was gonna look for a decent VNC tomorrow06:39
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Jeezishoodieboy711: i installed it on a hardware raid 1+0 stripe no problem just using default settings06:39
WillySillycrimsun, then what do i do?06:40
slappy16heh...06:40
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slappy16vnc-common - Virtual network computing server software06:40
slappy16xvncviewer - Virtual network computing client software for X06:40
hoodieboy711Jeezis: when i try to install, instead of identifying a single raided drive i see the sda1 and sda206:40
slappy16thats it06:40
thr1cerimhehe, alright06:40
crimsunWillySilly: erm, update, then quit06:40
thr1cecrimsun, *06:41
Jeezishoodieboy711: what kind of setup are you using?06:41
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hoodieboy711Jeezis: ubuntu warty 64-bit (AMD64) install06:41
Jeezishoodieboy711: what raid setup are you using>06:41
WillySillydidnt work06:42
discordcrimsun do you think my wireless will work?06:42
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discordand notbook powermanagment features of ubuntu06:42
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discordafter the apt-get dist upgrade06:42
hoodieboy711Jeezis: i have 2 80 GB Western digital satas, on a Silicon Image 3114 raid controller and both are set in a raid 0 with 64k chuck striping06:43
kalaghello guys! what do i need to change to set the default editor to vi instead of nano?06:43
hoodieboy711Jeezis: then i have 4 partitions, one for x64 xp pro, one for xp pro, one for ubuntu, then one for storage, everything is active and running except for the ubuntu06:43
crimsunkalag: export EDITOR=vi in ~/.bashrc06:43
storekroWhere are the debian installer preseed file gurus when you need them?06:43
Jeezishmmm, i had a problem with having my bios set with the drives as sata06:44
crimsunstorekro: in u-d06:44
WillySillyfuck06:44
storekroI'll try there06:44
crimsundiscord: no idea. If it/they breaks, file bug reports.06:44
Jeezishoodieboy711: but i'm running a sager 9860-s laptop, so the hardware is probably configured differently06:44
hoodieboy711Jeezis: my problem isnt with the sata drives or controller but with the ubuntu install looking past the hardware raid controller and straight to the drives themselves, so i see 2 drives instead of one with 4 partitions06:44
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Jeezishoodieboy711: ah! sorry06:45
Jeezishoodieboy711: hmmm06:45
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hoodieboy711damn i hate rebuilding computer OSs from the ground up with dialup06:46
hoodieboy711sucks so much06:46
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nnonixhoodieboy711, check this out http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-2557.html06:46
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itayhi!06:48
itayhow do I install the nvidia driver?06:48
itayshould I do it with apt-get?06:48
behi downloaded icons for gnome from gnome-look.org how do i install them?06:48
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itayor download from nvidia site?06:48
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incmm dialup06:49
hoodieboy711Jeezis: thanks, ill have to check that out again soon06:49
FR500itay:  synaptic is fine06:49
incaight peace out homies06:49
FR500itay:  follow www.ubuntuguide.org06:49
itaywhich package is the driver?06:49
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behhow do i use an icon package i downloaded in gnome?06:49
FR500itay:  read above06:50
FR500beh, i think you can drag it over the themes window06:50
itayI can't access that site06:51
behok i got it06:51
itaymaybe it's down now?06:51
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FR500itay:  i can access just fine06:52
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FR500http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#installnvidiadriver06:53
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Hobocophey internet06:54
Hobocopno memos I guess I am just not popular enough06:54
Hobocopoh god I am crying06:54
nnonixabarbaccia, are you smp'ing now?06:54
abarbacciannonix, indeed - much improvement may i add06:55
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nnonixabarbaccia, great06:55
abarbacciai was working on my friends laptop today - got him to try out ubuntu - on his laptop - dell 700m - really nice laptop - got the wireless working, now just getting the widescreen working and he'll be in great shape06:56
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abarbacciabattery life in gnome is amazing compared to M$ - he had it with him for 5+ hours with no problems (doing hw and stuff - webbrowsing and normal usage)06:56
IIIEarsHello! :) - i have a bunch of obvious (annoying?) newbie questions. - Can someone please point me to a good irc network/#channel?06:57
Hobocopthis one06:57
abarbacciabrb06:57
Hobocopthere are a lot of newbies here, including myself06:57
Hobocopbut they are very nice here06:57
kyle_a newtowrk/#channel for what?06:57
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Hobocopasking his newbie questions06:57
Hobocopwhich is what this is for06:57
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FR500IIIEars:  asking the question works just fine here06:57
Hobocopsup kyle06:57
itayI install nvidia driver, thank you06:58
itayI have a problem with the sound06:58
FR500itay:  worked fine?06:58
Hobocopsee this is why I think we need an irc channel06:58
IIIEars#I_am_a_completely_green_linux_newbie06:58
Hobocopmany peoples are a talking06:58
FR500itay:  in what game or what?06:58
HobocopIII I have had ubuntu installed since sunday06:58
FR500IIIEars:  i was 1 month ago, and still am06:58
itayalso in that game06:58
FR500itay:  what game?06:58
itayet06:58
Hobocopthe newbie game06:58
thr1cecrimsun, it doesnt' like Perl stuff I guess06:58
FR500et?06:58
whaqjust shoot the damn questions06:59
itayit stuck at start06:59
thr1ceI see logs warnings and errors06:59
itayin the console I can see that it is doing something with the sound06:59
IIIEarsI want to install a file using file roller how do i do it? (lol - remember you said i could ask annoying questions)06:59
itayI also got an error while trying ruuning a java application that using sound06:59
whaqIIIEars, what's a file roller? and what file are you trying to install?07:00
itayjavax.sound.midi.MidiUnavailableException: Audio Device Unavailable07:00
IIIEarsxscrabble07:00
FR500itay:  in the multimiedia systems selector, try the different sound pipelines, for games most lilely requiere alsa or oss, if they dont work you need to fix them first07:00
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HobocopKyle_07:01
itayI tried to run alsaconf, but the command doesn't exist07:01
kyle_ya hobo?07:01
FR500itay:  did you tried what i said?07:01
Hobocopquery me07:01
IIIEarssynaptic i installed scrabble but don't know how to start it.07:01
itaywhat is the multimiedia systems selector07:01
FR500in preferences menu i think07:02
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whaqIIIEars, it should show up in your apps menu - else try running it from the shell/command prompt07:02
spermwhy are the ubuntu server so damn slow?07:02
FR500sperm:  which server?07:02
itayI am using KDE, does it make different?07:02
spermand ummm apt-get install fluxbox is not working :(07:02
FR500download?07:02
IIIEarsokay "scrabble -start"  ???07:02
FR500itay:  i never used kde07:02
whaqxscrabble&07:03
spermtoo lazy to manually intstall it07:03
itayso do you know the command?07:03
sperm34% [1 Packages 877725/2580kB 34%]                                 8912B/s 3m10s07:03
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spermpffttt...07:03
IIIEarsjust "xscrabble&" ???07:03
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FR500itay:  yo need to be sure that alsa and oss work07:04
whaqIIIEars, xscra [tab]  .. see what comes up07:04
FR500try some media player or something07:04
abarbacciaanybody know how to configure an intellimouse in ubuntu / got it to work07:04
abarbaccia?07:04
kyle_question to anyone: i am having problems playing mp3s with xmms, using intel ich (alsa), xmms freezes when i try to play an mp307:04
IIIEars<< grateful to Ubuntu developers for making a firewall simple to install.07:04
spermfr500 know how to get a good apt-get source list?07:04
holycowi'm downloading at 300 k a sec sperm ... i think theres something wrong with your connection07:04
spermholycow, not at all.07:05
IIIEarsokay - i'll do that. - Thanks07:05
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slappy16IIIEars: whatcha settle on for firewalling? firestarter? shorewall?07:05
IIIEarsfirestarter - then removed and settled with shorewall07:06
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IIIEarsstill curious about an app to build a netfilter script.07:06
slappy16good!07:06
darGorjust a question. i just installed GAIM 1.2.1, but, how to see the contact's user photo, and set up MY photo ?07:06
slappy16check it out sometime07:06
kyle_question to anyone: i am having problems playing mp3s with xmms, using intel ich (alsa), xmms freezes when i try to play an mp307:07
holycowwhat can i tell you, they seem to be only slow for you07:07
crimsunkyle_: change the output plugin to esound07:07
darGorkyle_: esound07:07
darGorcrimsun: yeah that works, im listening my mp3s thanks you :p07:07
IIIEarsKudos to Ubuntu  :)07:08
IIIEarsThanks guys07:08
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kyle_crimsun & darGor: that worked out great, thanks07:09
crimsunkyle_: np07:09
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itayFR500, I think alsa works fine, cause I can hear sounds, I think the problem is just with Midis07:10
seven_six_twook07:10
itaybut I still can't run et07:10
FR500itay:  how do you know if the prog is using alsa?07:10
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nickrudseven_six_two, I'm here because james troup is and they gave me 10 free cds, and I ended up liking it07:11
itayFR500, no07:11
seven_six_twoi have a new flood for ya though. it looks the same07:11
itayI don't know. how can I check it?07:11
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seven_six_twoi cpoied that file and tried apt again07:12
nickrudany luck?07:12
seven_six_twonot yet. wanna see new flood?07:12
itayalsamixer shows my sound card07:13
nickrudpastebin!07:13
seven_six_tworafb?07:13
nickrudok07:13
FR500itay:  dunno man, zero problems with ubuntu and sound here07:13
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nickrudslappy11, you flooder07:14
wnaLinuxhi07:14
seven_six_twohttp://rafb.net/paste/results/L642IZ98.html07:14
seven_six_twolol07:14
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wnaLinuxI have a problem with setting my dns, in resolv..conf it everytime I reboot it is overwritten07:15
seven_six_twomaybe delete all of /var/cache/apt/archives?07:15
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wnaLinuxcan someone jelp me?07:15
wnaLinuxhelp*07:15
Hobocopno we all hate you07:15
Hobocopsorry :\07:15
slappy11i flooded??07:15
wnaLinux. . .07:15
slappy11i got kicked07:15
seven_six_tworotflmao.....not funny07:15
CheeseBallwith what wnaLinux07:15
wnaLinuxcan someone jelp me?07:15
nickrudanyone recognize this error?: dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libdb1-compat_2.1.3-7_i386.deb (--unpack):07:15
nickrud unable to create updated files list file for package libdb1-compat: No such file or directory07:15
wnaLinuxmy dns07:16
CheeseBallshit i have no idea07:16
nickrudyeah, you wrote the least, so they picked on you:_07:16
Hobocopsorry 762 lmao07:16
FR500wnaLinux:  be explicit07:16
wnaLinuxwell my resolv.conf file is overweritten every time I reboot07:16
FR500change your dns in the network settings applet07:17
wnaLinuxin gnome07:17
wnaLinux?07:17
seven_six_twownaLinux, at least you don't have my dpkg problems07:17
slappy11wait, so that status file didnt make a difference?07:17
seven_six_twonope07:17
wnaLinux? seven doesent help07:17
seven_six_twoi could try 407:17
slappy11christ07:17
FR500wnaLinux:  yes07:18
wnaLinuxthatt doesent work07:18
wnaLinuxI tryed that07:18
spermokie dokie my java works07:19
spermnow the nvidia shit.07:19
seven_six_twowait...is it supposed to be called dpkg.status07:19
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seven_six_twoor dpkg.status.#07:19
seven_six_twoor maybe just status07:19
nickrudno, I've got plain old status07:19
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fejaorhow do you install the drivers for a Voice modem in ubuntu?? I have the cd with the drivers but still cannot figure out how to install them07:20
wnaLinuxFR500: maybe I did it wrong can walk me through it07:20
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jair_11hello guys?07:20
slappy11plain status07:20
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nickrudseven_six_two, I think you are totally screwed.07:20
jair_11I am getting the sound of the system the drum each time I do a configuration change but I can not listen cds?07:20
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Shuflahello07:20
jair_11mp3s07:20
slappy11:(07:20
slappy11theres got to be a way07:21
FR500wnaLinux:  system-administration-networking07:21
seven_six_twoit worked!!07:21
seven_six_twofor dpkg07:21
jair_11anyone know what is wrong with xmms and the ubuntu?07:21
seven_six_twono error....now debconf07:21
wnaLinuxFR500: ok im there07:21
spermarchive.ubuntu.com07:21
spermis slow as my nuts07:21
fejaorhow do you install the drivers for a Voice modem in ubuntu?? I have the cd with the drivers but still cannot figure out how to install them07:21
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nickrudI hate wating07:21
jair_11ubuntu recignize the dual gigabit card built in on my lap top07:21
seven_six_twoslappy11, and nickrud fixed it!07:21
FR500DNS07:21
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jair_11but the sound is not working properly?07:21
FR500and add your dnss07:21
slappy11whats the debconf error?07:21
wnaLinuxk07:22
slappy11wait.so what did you do that worked?07:22
seven_six_twosame as i've been posting07:22
slappy11im slappy11 now..crap07:22
slappy11ohh07:22
seven_six_twotried to apt-get install dpkg07:22
wnaLinuxadd search domains too?07:22
SQL_SamI have memtotal 313684kb what is recomended?07:22
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seven_six_twoand debconf07:22
slappy11well, how about this07:22
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fejaorhow can I install any program downloaded form the web??07:22
jair_11anyone know why the configuration of the sound is not working?07:22
seven_six_twoi get no more errors. i was trying to install mplayer before when i noticed all the errors07:23
Hobocopflying cars holy crap07:23
abarbacciahey guys - i mounted my ntfs partition as read only - and i want to be able to access it but i do not have permissions (as regular user, but in fstab, i put user in the entry)07:23
jair_11and i install xmms to listen the mp3s and it get freeze I have to "killall xmms"07:23
nickrudso install something else, and tell ut it works07:23
seven_six_twok. i'll go for mplayer, although i've heard it's not fun07:23
FR500jair_11:  maybe it freezes when gaim has an event?07:24
abarbacciafejaor, what file type is it07:24
slappy11how is it working now?07:24
nicedreamsabarbaccia, set     umask=022    as an option when mounting your ntfs drive07:24
slappy11nickrud:?07:24
jair_11FR500, nope gaim is not even running07:24
abarbaccianicedreams, thanks07:24
seven_six_twotesting now07:24
fejaorwell let's say is a patch for the kernel or some other program I download from the web07:24
jair_11it freeze when I press the play botton07:24
FR500jair_11:  some other prog that uses sound?07:24
nickrudslappy11, yeah07:24
FR500jair_11:  no clue then07:24
jair_11yes the system sound07:24
fejaorIm also don't know how to install the drivers from a CD for my voice modem07:24
FR500jair_11:  i use beep media player btw, way more user oriented07:24
jair_11FR500, the system sound is working perfect, but not the cd player or mp3 or web sites with sound.07:25
FR500jair_11:  check the multimedia systems selector panel07:25
FR500try another audio architecture07:25
jair_11FR500, what is the name "beep"?07:25
FR500jair_11:  beep-media-player07:25
jair_11hmmm07:25
jair_11ok07:25
jair_11I will check that07:25
fejaorso?07:26
nickrudslappy11, how do you get back your old name?07:26
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fejaorIm also don't know how to install the drivers from a CD for my voice modem07:27
seven_six_twoouch. mplayer is nasty for prerequisites07:28
nickrudslappy11, you asked how I got into ubuntu: I saw james troup worked here, asked for the cd, and liked it.07:28
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fazerI can't sleep and I blame you all!07:29
fazersame07:30
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fejaoranyone who can help me with my problems???07:30
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fejaor:S07:30
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abarbaccianicedreams, what does the 022 correspond to btw?07:30
nicedreamsabarbaccia, setting users to have read access07:31
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seven_six_twonickrud, slappy11 :        http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/sAsMV965.html07:32
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abarbaccianicedreams, thanks again07:32
nickrudseven_six_two, aaaahhhhh!!!!!!!!!!07:33
fejaor:S07:33
fejaoranyone who can help me with my problems???07:33
seven_six_twooh yes, oh yes07:33
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seven_six_twonickrud, but its different. thats a step07:34
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nickrudseven_six_two, I have never seen an error message like that07:34
nickrud attention all dpkg masters: please look at http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/sAsMV965.html07:34
seven_six_twonickrud, you've probably never trashed your system as expertly as i07:34
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IIIEarslol @seven07:35
nickrudslappy11, you missed it:http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/sAsMV965.html07:35
crimsunnickrud: apt-get --reinstall install $thosePackages07:35
SQL_Samcan anyone tell me if memtotal 313684kb with swapfree/swaptotal 835340 is okay?07:36
seven_six_twothey are still there07:36
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spermwhere is the 500 guy at?07:36
IIIEarsapt-get --reinstall install scrabble07:36
seven_six_twocrimsun, it's some kind of index problem, as the programs listed are installed and working07:36
nickrudseven_six_two, it may take a while but I'd do what crimsun says, or reinstall07:36
spermanyone here good with fluxbox?07:36
slappy11hah07:36
IIIEars? would that be the right command07:36
spermor anyone here good with ummm Xwindows?07:37
slappy11wow07:37
slappy11i did miss it07:37
crimsunseven_six_two: yes, that's fixed by either reinstalling the packages to refresh the list or by a lot of shell-fu07:37
seven_six_twonickrud, it's be way faster to reinstall. thats pages of pkgs07:37
slappy11the ppl in #debian remind me of bsd folk07:37
spermubuntu dosent use ummm07:37
spermroot as anything correct.07:37
spermits all sydo this07:37
slappy11theres got to be a way07:37
slappy11hah07:37
spermi wanna reconfigure my gdm display theme.07:38
spermits is asking me for the root psswd07:38
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spermand i was not able to set the root passwd07:38
nickrudshell fu07:38
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seven_six_twowhats shell fu07:38
spermif i change the root passwd will everything still work?07:38
nickrudnot my speciality07:38
Dethreadshould07:38
spermeverything uses sudo correct?07:38
Dethreadno07:38
nickrudlike kung fu, only on the cuputer07:38
spermso i can change the root passwd :P07:39
seven_six_twolol07:39
Dethreadyeah07:39
slappy11ok07:39
slappy11ok07:39
seven_six_twosperm, the new root pwd will only be used for su thopugh07:39
SQL_Samwould there be a reason that google or other sites time out?  I can get to some web pages but these seem to always die and time out?07:39
crimsunseven_six_two: why wasn't dpkg installed on your Hoary system?07:39
seven_six_twocrimsun, it was, but something happened and i lost a lot. i think fsck did it07:40
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delltonyhow do you determine what groups your in?07:40
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crimsundelltony: groups07:40
tgahowdy07:40
seven_six_twocrimsun, and yes it was unmounted (boot dvd) when i used fsck07:40
tgaany news on the broken cpufreq/powernowd?07:41
SQL_Samhow do you get kde instead of gnome?07:41
DethreadSQL_Sam, kubuntu :)07:41
crimsunSQL_Sam: aptitude install kubuntu-desktop07:41
spermgod damn fluxbox07:41
delltonyoh i thugth that just listed all the groups07:41
spermword07:42
SQL_Samdo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop at terminal? (sorry noob)07:42
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spermthat archive site is slow as my left fucking nut07:42
IIIEarshow do i find an installed program?07:42
crimsunSQL_Sam: sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop07:42
crimsunIIIEars: what do you mean, the binary or the package itself?07:42
SQL_Samk07:42
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IIIEarsThe program (embarassed)07:43
SQL_Samanother stupid question which is more/less memory hog07:43
slappy11seven_six_two: apt-get install -f `all-the-packages`07:43
slappy11nick, crimson?07:43
nickrudoooh07:43
seven_six_twohmmm....i think i'll just get sid07:43
slappy11im ready to delete my shit to try it out07:44
slappy11sid?07:44
seven_six_twolol.07:44
seven_six_twodebian07:44
slappy11lol07:44
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Dethreadsid will kick you in the nuts, ubuntu will make sweet love to you07:44
Dethread:)07:44
slappy11sarge?07:44
slappy11nah07:44
slappy11i run sarge07:44
Dethreadnew woody just came out, r507:44
slappy11im just playin w/ hoarty07:44
seven_six_twowhich is stable. i still have blueballs from stable07:44
slappy11UNSTABLE!07:44
johuhm, why doesn't mdadm-raid start on boot? The /etc/rcS.d/S25mdadm-raid symlink exists...07:44
slappy11ALL THE WAY!07:44
IIIEarsafter apt-get install scrabble  scrabble was installed. scrabble& = Exit code 12707:45
abarbacciahey - whats the latest version of openoffice?07:45
slappy11seven: i tell ya what...its all the same07:45
Dethreadwww.openoffice.org :)07:45
slappy11dpkg /var/lib/dpkg..same stuff07:45
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slappy11i question the ubuntu packaging07:45
IIIEarslol - should i try something easier?07:45
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crimsunslappy11: eh? what about the packaging?07:45
slappy11postfix, lvm, raid, no ssh?07:46
slappy11no vnc07:46
slappy11i dunnop07:46
Dethreadhm? no ssh?07:46
nickrudcrimsun, slappy11 has had a bad day, tried hard, he's pissed07:46
slappy11not default07:46
seven_six_twoi tried 3.0r4 and would rather castrate myself than try it again07:46
crimsunslappy11: eh? why would a desktop need openssh-server by default?07:46
slappy11lol07:46
Dethreadah, default is another question07:46
slappy11why does a desktop need lvm?07:46
DethreadI want gcc by default07:47
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slappy11lol..me too!07:47
itayI still have problems with mid, how can I play it?07:47
abarbacciaim saying - whats the newest version of openoffice included in the universe of ubuntu07:47
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SQL_Samcan i run samba as a file share with my windows box if I didnt install as server?07:47
seven_six_twoso 4.0 is unstable?07:47
crimsunslappy11: it's perfectly reasonble to think of lvm as HDs increase in size, allowing flexibility of configuration07:47
abarbacciaSQL_Sam, yes07:47
crimsunreasonable^07:47
slappy11all i know is that i change my /etc/apt/sources.list to unstable07:47
itaykmid says that it can't open /dev/sequencer07:47
kakaltohas anyone had any luck installing IE under wine for web dev. ?07:48
Dethreadseven_six_two, I tried 4.0 a few days ago and it didn't work well at all07:48
seven_six_twoi'm going to have to get dvd iso07:48
seven_six_twoaw crappy07:48
slappy11id say there's a huge percentage of people who would use sshd before lvm, as if most people even knew how to use lvm07:48
crimsunitay: sudo modprobe snd-seq07:48
abarbacciakakalto, check out www.codeweavers.com07:48
kakaltoFREE07:48
seven_six_twokakalto, don't develop for IE07:48
_chavokakalto, it works with crossover07:48
kakaltowith WINE07:48
Dethreadseven_six_two, gcc 4.0 that is....dunno if you meant something else :)07:48
seven_six_twoi meant debian07:48
kakaltocrossover, I believe, costs money07:48
slappy11id much rather apt-get install lvm before i would opensshd07:49
kakaltoif that's your answer, I might aswell jst reboot to develop for ie07:49
crimsunslappy11: the reason openssh-server is not installed corresponds with the reason neither build-essential, cvs, nor svn are installed07:49
seven_six_twoIE is a horrible crime against the world07:49
kakaltobut I don't like to develop under windows07:49
kakaltoI know07:49
slappy11even openbsd isnt that strict07:49
kakaltoseven_six_two, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't allow for it07:49
aisiposAnyone having trouble installing eric3 (python ide)?07:49
DethreadI understand the reasoning...but I'd still like it:)07:49
kakaltomaking IE not work is as bad as making gecko not work07:49
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Dethreadoh well, all those apps are just an "apt-get install" away07:50
slappy11build-essential would be nice, but i can understand cvs unless if people will use it for updating their sys07:50
seven_six_twokakalto, yes true, but making stuff work in IE means it may not work in others07:50
crimsunaisipos: what's wrong with it?07:50
natewhy would you want to run IE on Linux though?07:50
slappy11how many ppl would even use cvs..dont tell me its installed07:50
kakaltonate, so I can get  my web page working with IE07:50
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natepeople who are going to be viewing a website in IE are going to be running Windows. Wouldn't it be smarter to test a website on an actual Windows box?07:50
slappy11why is nc or nmap installed, and no sshd07:50
kakaltoto make sure it's compatible07:50
IIIEarsthere are a bunch of programs that run natively to check on how IE displays pages07:50
kakaltonate, I prefer to develop under linux07:51
natehmm07:51
kakaltoIIIEars, ?07:51
nateFrankly I'm amazed IE works even with CodeWeavers07:51
seven_six_twokakalto, you could always give them the beloved error "You must be running IE 5.0 to see this page"07:51
kakaltonate, Frankly I'm amazed IE works at all :P07:51
natealso, how legal is it to run IE on a non-Windows platform these days? Is it still allowed by the EULA?07:51
aisiposcrimsun: unmet dependencies.07:51
nateI keep forgetting... I know MS keep changing EULAs for IE plugins07:52
kakaltonate, I think it's legal, so long as you own the Windows OS07:52
nateah07:52
aisiposcrimsun: python2.4-qtext: Depends: python2.4-qt3 (= 3.13-4ubuntu2) but it is not going to be installed07:52
kakaltoI had a quick look through07:52
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Dethreadown as in..."own"?07:52
Dethread:)07:52
kakalto:)07:52
tgapwn07:52
kakaltoIIIEars, what are these applications that show like IE under linux?07:52
seven_six_twohaha...own as in you copied it off someone07:52
Dethreadnah, I have 3 legit copies07:53
kakaltolegitimately own WinXP: PE07:53
kakaltoI have about 4 or 507:53
kakaltofrom 3.1107:53
nickrudslappy11, you asked why I'm using ubuntu: james troup works here, I ordered the cd, and it works07:53
kakaltoto XP07:53
crimsunslappy11: nmap is not installed by default.07:53
aisiposcrimsun: then, after apt-get -f install, i get: dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/python2.4-qt3_3.13-4ubuntu2_i386.deb (--unpack):07:53
aisipos trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/qtcanvas.so', which is also in package python-dcop07:53
tgaso any news on the broken cpufreq/powernowd?07:53
DethreadI just kicked Win XP Tabled Edition off my tablet PC...Hoary doesn't run too well on it though...I'll try sarge next07:53
crimsunaisipos: I don't get any such errors...07:53
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kakaltoWhat is a native linux app that will show web pages the way IE does?07:54
slappy11oh, ya..whoops on the nmap07:54
abarbacciais Ooo 2 beta released for ubuntu yet?07:54
sheenadoes kaffeine play .mov and .mwv files?07:55
crimsunabarbaccia: in hoary as openoffice.org207:55
kakaltosheena, 1 way to find out07:55
kakaltotry it07:55
abarbacciacrimsun, how do i update to it? apt-get install openoffice.org2?07:55
crimsunabarbaccia: yes.07:55
Dethreadis Ooo2 worth checking out?07:55
crimsunI stick with 1.1.3 myself07:55
kakaltohow much different is it?07:55
crimsunymmv07:55
sheenayea im trying right now just figured i'd ask may save me some tiem07:55
kakaltoI suppose it's not stable yet07:55
abarbacciacrimsun, did you try it out07:56
crimsunabarbaccia: yes, it appears to support ms docs and ppts better07:56
crimsunabarbaccia: not that that's by any means a good test07:56
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abarbacciacrimsun, well, for what im doing, thats the ONLY test07:56
kakaltoIIIEars, what were those apps?07:57
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SQL_Sami thought linux guys all used vi?07:57
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nickrudSQL_Sam, only the smart ones :)07:57
abarbacciacrimsun, I am debating whether to purchase cxoffice because a lot of my files are messed up in Ooo that were created in word, things with a lot of graphs charts and special indents07:57
crimsunabarbaccia: I've never used xover office, so I can't offer an opinion07:58
kakaltowhy use linux? if it screws up your files, why are you using it? (no offence intended, just curious)07:58
SQL_Samto use wine - do you have to have a dual boot with windows on the same box?07:58
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tgaif you already own a copy of ms office cxoffice would be a smart investment.. at least you get to use it07:59
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kakaltoSQL_Sam, no, why?07:59
orkoabarbaccia - i use xover (only for IE due to some internal web site restrictions) and find it good - I dont use it for office docs though (use OO)07:59
_chavoSQL_Sam, you don't need Windows to use wine.07:59
SQL_Sami was just wondering if you wanted to use windows while in linux did you have to have both OS's on the same box08:00
SQL_Samor is it more like terminal serving?08:00
tgait's not windows, it's a specific app08:00
seven_six_twoah yes. i have no /var/lib/dpkg/info dir, and the lock file in /var/lib/dpkg reappears whenever i delete it and use apt08:00
SQL_Sami'm just not familiar with what it does i guess08:01
tgait's a tricked out wine that can run ms office on *nix08:01
tgaafaik08:01
holycow *hmmm* my ac97 modules seem to be working but i get no sound via speakers (speakers work if plugged into another system) ... anyone know what i can do to track down the issue?08:02
bob2seven_six_two: if you have no /var/lib/dpkg/info/ dir, it's time to reinstall08:02
holycowsome general steps maybe?08:02
bob2holycow: did you unmute it?08:02
seven_six_twobob2, not what i was hoping for, but consistent with the general concensus08:02
holycowyes, tried several live cd's, two ubuntu installs08:02
SQL_Sami was thinking i have both this box and my windows if I wanted to play a game or something on my windows while on my linux box if I could do it - that was basically what i was thinking08:02
bob2seven_six_two: how on earth did it get deleted?08:02
bob2holycow: I mean, "did you run alsamixer and make sure you don't see MM anywhere"?08:03
seven_six_twoi borked it with fsck i'm guessing08:03
spermthere we go08:03
spermi fixed my apt-get problems lol08:03
nickrudseven_six_two, if you want to see what part of a info dir looks like, look here: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/COGbZX19.html08:04
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nickrudyou're probably screwed.08:04
seven_six_twoah yes. screwed good and proper with no hope of a reach-around08:04
discorddamn08:04
kyle_SQL_Sam, I did kind of the same thing and it worked out pretty well.  I just navigate into my windows partition and WINE things.  Starcraft worked out pretty well.08:05
seven_six_twomaybe i'll try debian unstable then08:05
discordthe dist upgrade set me up with kde08:05
discordugh08:05
discordi hate kde08:05
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thr1cecrimsun, you around?08:06
seven_six_twois there a debian-unstable dvd?08:06
crimsunthr1ce: ?08:06
kakaltodiscord, why do you hate kde?08:06
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natehmm08:06
thr1cecrimsun, breezy isn't bad...seems to run fine here08:06
SQL_Samim changing to it right now as i type08:06
natetrying to install an HP Deskjet 400, parallel port connected, I get 'parallel port busy' whenever I try to print anything08:06
nateany ideas?08:06
natenothing else is using the parallel port physically08:06
nickrudseven_six_two, if you wnat to go unstable, get the sarge business iso, and go from there08:06
thr1cecrimsun, anything I should be careful and not try ?08:07
thr1ce:)08:07
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kakaltoI like when my kde doesn't looks like kde :D08:07
FR500hello08:07
HobocopI like it when my gnome looks like gnome 8)08:07
FR500does anyone know how to enable dma for hdc on boot?08:07
SQL_Sami find most people who hate kde hate windows because it reminds them of it....08:07
nickrudseven_six_two, <redo> if you wnat to go unstable, get the sarge business card iso, and go from there08:08
discordcause its ugly08:08
discordand i dotn want it08:08
thr1cemm...breezy :)08:08
kyle_KDE isn't too bad, i just find it a little too cluttered, gnome seems a little more sleek and organized to me08:08
kakaltoSQL_Sam, but the thing is, I hate windows, but I changed my kde to look different :D08:08
seven_six_twocool. i'll do that08:08
SQL_Samlol08:08
seven_six_twothanks nickrud et al...i'm off to bt for debian08:09
SQL_Sami'm going to give kde a shot and see if i like it08:09
natesometimes I find Gnome just a little too sleek08:09
kakaltokde is neat and tidy on my comp, gnome looks a mess08:09
kakaltofor that matter, gnome doesn't work at the moment08:09
kakaltoat all08:09
holycowSQL_Sam, thats not unreasonable at all08:09
nateit omits settings I'd like to tweak08:09
natebut it's getting better and better at 'just working'08:09
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kakaltoso, whether I like it (I do) or not, I'm stuck with kde for the moment08:09
discordi dunno08:09
thr1cecrimsun, have you have any major issues ?08:09
thr1celately08:09
discordmaybe i dont hate it08:09
slappy11goin sarge, ehh??08:09
slappy11hahaha08:09
slappy11after all that?!08:09
thr1cegnome 2.10.1 runs great08:09
naterar. Printing still broken. Hmm.08:09
slappy11sarge is good though08:09
kyle_SQL_Sam, just grab the newest version of knoppix and try it out, might be a little less work :)08:10
nateit was working before I installed Hoary, I'm sure08:10
slappy11after 2 days...im still thinking that a fork is bad..lets focus on deb08:10
SQL_Samim like 68% done with the kde upgrade - is it going to ask me to change? or do i have to do something else after the fact08:10
seven_six_twois it testing that i want for debian?08:10
slappy11unstable is great08:10
crimsunthr1ce: no.08:11
SQL_Samnever heard of knoppix08:11
kakaltokyle_, knoppix tends to be the default layout, and it's not particularly intuitive to change things around08:11
kammequestion, I put various mplayer codec in /usr/local/lib/codecs and thet used to be enough to play movies, but now totem won't play them. Is there another way of doing it now?08:11
crimsunthr1ce: well, aside from some toolchain issues that are expected08:11
nickrudseven_six_two, sarge and unstable both work08:11
seven_six_twomaybe. i don't know which sarge is, but i don't want stable08:11
crimsunthr1ce: they probably (more than likely) won't be seen by the average user08:11
thr1cecrimsun, toolchain ?08:11
slappy11ya, sarge-unstable08:11
slappy11great install08:11
kakaltoSQL_Sam, once it's finished, if you reboot, it'll show up in the sessions list08:11
crimsunthr1ce: gcc-4.0/g++-3.3/binutils-2.15+08:11
kyle_kakalto, that's true, i just though it was at least ok to check the general layout08:12
slappy11except you get XFree8608:12
kakaltoit might even show on the sessions list if you don't reboot, not sure08:12
crimsunthr1ce: and libc6-2.3.5/linux-kernel-headers-2.6.11.208:12
seven_six_twohttp://www.debian.org/CD/torrent-cd/08:12
thr1cecrimsun, when breezy changes kernels, will my kernel get updated as well ?08:12
kakaltokyle_, mine doesn't look much like the original layout08:12
crimsunthr1ce: yes08:12
kakaltokyle_, which is why I like it :D08:12
SQL_Samhmmm  can i change to kde without rebooting?08:12
thr1ceof course08:12
holycowbob2, oh okay, i see a few mm entries under empty als mixer vertical bars08:12
kakaltoSQL_Sam, try CTRL ALT BACKSPACE, and it'll restart X08:13
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holycowbob2, never used alsamixer before ... what does that mean?08:13
kakaltoor probably just log out for that matter08:13
calamariwheeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!08:13
SQL_Samk08:13
kakaltoalmost installed IE08:13
SQL_Samewwwww08:14
kammeso noone has an idea?08:14
Raskallam I allowed to modify the ubunto logos? U want to change the word Ubuntu to SMUbuntu in one of the logos for use in my homepage08:14
thr1cei have alot of ideas08:14
kammethr1ce, one that will help me and my movie-player problem too? ;)08:14
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SQL_SamI never use IE anymore even on my windows box!  virus city08:14
crimsunholycow: open a terminal and type ''alsamixer,,08:15
kakaltoSQL_Sam, sadly, others still use it08:15
crimsunholycow: (without the quotes/commas)08:15
thr1cecrimsun, interesting...is 2.6.12 likely the next kernel to be implimented ?08:15
kakaltoSQL_Sam, that's why I must develop for it08:15
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crimsunthr1ce: yes08:15
holycowcrimsun, i did08:15
crimsunholycow: and?08:15
SQL_Samkakalto - what to you do?08:15
robitailleRaskall,  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/TrademarkPolicy/08:15
holycowi see a few mm entries under empty als mixer vertical bars08:15
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nickrudseven_six_two, my only real advice: unless you like tweeking your system  regularly (which I actually am obsessive about) you will be better off just reinstalling08:15
holycowsorry wront paste08:15
holycowanyway what am i looking for and why, is the question?08:16
DrecoZAHi All, is anyone using Mcafee anti-virus with Ubuntu ?08:16
thr1cecrimsun, awesome; well, breezy seems to be quick as ever; thanks08:16
seven_six_twonickrud, i like to learn08:16
thr1ceantivirus, linux ?08:16
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seven_six_twobut i don't know the diff between testing and unstable, as only testing iso's are available with bittorrent08:16
kakaltoSQL_Sam, I'm currently making a website.08:17
Smevenhi08:17
discordcan I mount the iso image of the hoary cd and install from it?08:17
seven_six_twostable and testing08:17
kakaltoI don't do it proffesionally or anything08:17
holycowDrecoZA, thats windows stuff, although a few viruses have been created for linux, they don't exist in the wild08:17
holycowDrecoZA, there are no known viruses for linux in the wild08:17
SQL_Samnice - i want to start playing around with that - php and mysql sound like fun to try08:17
holycowDrecoZA, same with spyware08:17
Raskallrobitaille: thanx.. will send them an email.08:17
Xebitxif im in /home/martin/Desktop in a shell ...and I want to get full dir path08:17
Xebitxwhich command can tell me the path?08:18
Dethreadpwd08:18
nickrudseven_six_two, get the sarge business iso, since it will cut down on the time it taks to get to unstable.08:18
seven_six_twofrom debian site?08:18
DrecoZAso is the presumption that a Linux machine connected to the internet is 100% safe from viruses and spyware ?08:18
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nickrudyup08:18
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SQL_Samno08:18
DethreadDrecoZA, nothing is ever 100% safe08:18
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SQL_Samit is a LOT safer then windoes08:18
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seven_six_twois that the minimal bootable cd image?08:19
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holycowwhat Dethread said, however, there simply are no known viruses in the wild for linux, or mac's or bsd's08:19
seven_six_twois that the minimal bootable cd image?08:19
holycowor solaris08:19
kakaltoSQL_Sam, yeah, php's a bit of fun :)08:19
DrecoZAwhat are the precautions that can be taken, this is a office envorinment08:19
holycowit's purely a windows phenomenon08:19
Dethreadtrue08:19
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Dethreadtrue08:19
Dethread:)08:19
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mikecodamn this xdamage08:20
holycowDrecoZA, the precautions you take are proper use of security built into unix08:20
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DrecoZAwe have a firewall to control traffic08:20
DethreadDrecoZA, you have to be careful of unauthorized remote access to your box, if you run any server applications08:20
holycowDrecoZA, meaning that you run as an unpriviledged user and never run anything as root, unless you are temporarily administering the machine08:20
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holycowDrecoZA, as Dethread is mentioning, you can get hacked, but you can lock a linux machine down so tight it would make bill gates blush08:20
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DrecoZAis clamav worthwile loading and using >08:21
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holycowDrecoZA, no, only if you arehosting email for windows users and want to protect them08:21
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nickrudhas everyone died?08:23
kakaltoI think so08:24
kakaltorapture :P08:24
nickrudno!!!!!!08:24
nickrudI wanna go!08:25
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nickrudI thought I was a good boy.08:26
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nickrudare we done yet?08:29
klauslotzhello there08:29
SQL_Samno kidding08:29
kakaltoheheh.08:29
nickrudso, I guess we're the damned.08:30
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mikecono damage extension, yet "DAMAGE" extension is enabled according to Xorg.log08:30
klauslotzdoes anybody know if there already is a Polish tralation team for Ubuntu ?08:30
SQL_Samis this a polish joke comin on....08:31
klauslotzno way dude,a genuine question08:31
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SQL_Samlol - had to ask (wanted to hear it if it was)  ;-)08:31
lizdeikamikeco: are you using fglrx ?08:32
klauslotznot this time but I still enjoy those08:32
kyle_just curious, does anyone know a good method for changing wireless networks whilst on the go?08:32
Dethreadkyle_, in hoary?08:33
kyle_Dethread, yes08:33
djoneskyle_: netapplet is a great tool for that08:33
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Hobocop:):)08:33
Dethreadkyle_, System->Administration->Networking  , then select the wireless connection, then Properties, then choose the network from the dropdown list08:33
Hobocopapt-get install netapplet?08:34
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goldfishhah08:34
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goldfishnice name :)08:34
goldfishaaaaw08:34
SQL_Samnoob question - what does apt stand for?08:34
Dethreadaptitude08:34
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Dethreadhehe08:34
Dethreadno08:34
klauslotzanybody here involved in translating Ubuntu ??08:35
Dethreadapt - annotation processing tool08:35
djonesuh, yeah, apt-get install netapplet08:35
nickrudDethread, really?08:35
helloyowhat is with this hal thing? i haven't been able to get gnome up 10 times in a row, so i just got rid of the darn thing, whats the problem with it?08:35
tgaSQL_Sam: man apt08:35
kyle_Dethread, i have been doing that, but after i select one it usually just hangs at the interface setup dialog that occurs afterwards08:35
Dethreadkyle_, it hangs for me too, usually for up to 20 secs or so, but then it works08:35
Dethreadkyle_, you also have to release the ip and get a new one from the new network you selected08:36
kyle_Dethread, how?08:36
goldfishiwconfig ?08:36
Dethreadkyle_, I just use dhclient08:36
Dethreadfor release: dhclient -r eth108:36
Dethreadthen to get the new one: dhclient eth108:36
SQL_Samtga - ive read a few of the manual doco's and get more confused sometimes - sucks being noob :(08:37
Dethreadboth with sudo, actually08:37
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kyle_Dethread, do that before or after switching interfaces?08:38
Dethreadafter08:38
Dethreadwell, I usually release before, get the new one after08:38
kyle_alright, thanks08:38
Dethreadnp08:38
nickrudhelloyo, google project utopia08:38
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SQL_Samkde upgrade just finished and tried ctl+alt+backspace - was that the right command to reload xwindows?08:39
goldfishyep08:39
SQL_Samcrap didnt work.... dont want to reboot08:39
tgayou don't have to reboot, it ain't windows08:40
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goldfishIt should be in session options at login ?08:40
djonesi guess he rebooted ;)08:40
tgaif killing X didn't help rebooting won't help either08:41
aswoni've just installed PLONE , but i don't know how to start and use it ,can somebody help me?08:41
tgawhat's plone?08:41
eaona content management system08:41
eaonbased on zope and cmf08:41
tgaerm.. then how do you wanna start it?08:41
eaonaswon: quite a few plone developers are on ubuntu - probably they know it, so you could try #plone :)08:42
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aswoni'll go there08:42
aswonthx08:42
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rubenhey08:44
Dethreadyo08:44
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rubenhow i see my correct xorg driver?08:44
rubeni dont know how to configure my X08:44
goldfishsudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ?08:45
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rubeni have a VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8378 [S3 UniChrome]  Integrated Video08:45
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goldfishhrmmmm, why the hell would you want to run Internet Explorer in wine? :)08:46
crimsunruben: use Driver "via"08:46
crimsunruben: presuming you're using Hoary or newer08:47
rubenwarty with all updates08:47
crimsunruben: ok, try it.08:48
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crimsunruben: I _think_ the driver in Warty's XFree86 is a bit older and thus won't work08:48
rubenok08:49
rubeni will upgrade08:49
crimsunruben: but I haven't tested it myself, nor have I confirmed with the actual source or changelog08:49
rubenthanx08:49
eaongoldfish: from the web developer perspective thats quite obvious i think :)08:49
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goldfisheaon: well, heh :)08:50
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SQL_Samweird - i just did the kde thing and had to reboot - I saw the kubuntu splash screen and all but then the desktop looks exactly like gnome even has the foot in the top right corner?08:57
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revelateranyone know where i can get a module called tp.netlib?09:06
revelaterubuntu is quiet today...09:07
revelater...09:07
revelaterBOOOO!!!!09:07
Seveaswhat kind of module is that?09:07
revelaterpython i think09:07
Seveasnetlib is a library of mathematical routines, do you know what the tp prefix stands for?09:08
revelaterummm... now that i think about it... yes i do09:09
lizdeikakinda weird name for math library...09:09
Seveaslizdeika, not if you know it's purpose :)09:09
revelateractually, i may have a fix, but first, all are all netlib modules made alike?09:09
Seveasrevelater, the home of netlib is netlib.org09:09
Seveasrevelater, dunno09:10
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Seveasrevelater, is this what you are looking for: http://www.thousandparsec.net/tp/downloads.php09:12
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spiralhi09:12
Seveasih09:13
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rattboianyone know how to get gnome launch box to work in ubuntu?09:14
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kakaltognome launch box?09:14
tarzeauwill someone do gnubuntu with GNUstep?09:14
lizdeikablah xfcuntu would be more nice :)09:15
revelatercd ..09:15
revelateroops09:15
tarzeauis it possible ubuntu sended old versions of ubuntu to people without having them ordered it?09:16
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jsgotangcodoh09:16
jsgotangcognubuntu09:16
jsgotangcoxubuntu09:16
jsgotangcokubuntu09:16
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mjrtubuntu with only twm and base x clients09:16
jsgotangcohow about ratpoison ubuntu09:17
tarzeaumjr: that's absolutely not comparable09:17
jsgotangcorubuntu?09:17
tarzeaumjr: GNUstep is not for the eye. it's a development environment, libraries (gui and base that are very well designed)09:17
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tarzeaumjr: compare it to gtk or qt, but much more evolved09:17
mjryah, I know09:17
revelaterhow about fubuntu? with only fluxbox based pragrams...09:17
mjrjust had to join the fray :)09:17
tarzeaurevelater: what program is fluxbox based?09:18
lizdeikatarzeau: no programs . just pragrams09:19
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tarzeaudoes the latest ubuntu live cd's still not have essential software like: nethack and gcc?09:22
revelatertarzeau: aren't many fluxbox based programs, but just programs that aren't gnome or kde dependent would be nice09:22
topylitarzeau: no nethack, that much i know09:23
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tarzeaurevelater: that wouldn't be consistent at all.. i mean tk, x programs are hilarious!09:23
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topylitarzeau: what's based on fluxbox? :)09:23
lunitiktarzeau: since when was nethack essential software?  :P09:23
tarzeautopyli: i don't know anything09:23
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revelatersince it was created :P09:24
lunitiktarzeau: but no... gcc and nethack are not on the livecd's ... mainly cuz it is kinda pointless to compile something in a livecd environment09:24
tarzeaulunitik: ahhh that gets me to: why is the live cd not installable?09:24
lizdeikawhy should it be ?09:25
tarzeaulunitik: to get removable storage and compile stuff onto it09:25
lunitiktarzeau: because no one has convinced Matt Zimmerman to include scripts to install it?  :P09:25
tarzeaulizdeika: so it makes sense to put gcc on it09:25
lunitiktarzeau: if you want it to be installable... bother mdz  ;)09:25
tarzeaumdz: good morning09:25
Tirnohi. I'm having trouble with my wifi. At my uni, the wifi is public - use a vpn-client once connected for internet access. Sometimes, it loses all connectivity: I do iwlist scan and get one or two access points (all with essid public). I then do sudo iwlist eth1 essid public09:25
lunitiktarzeau: haha  :)09:25
Tirnobut on occasion, it doesn't associate with the access point09:25
lunitiktarzeau: he maintains the livecd... he is also the apt author... an Ubuntu employee   :)09:26
tarzeaulunitik: cool. i also maintain a livecd, wanna try? (its got nethack and gcc :)09:26
lunitiktarzeau: dpkg author is an Ubuntu employee too  :)09:26
lunitiktarzeau: bah... WMaker sucks  ;)09:27
tarzeaulunitik: incest! incest!09:27
tarzeaulunitik: true. but GNUstep is sexy09:27
lunitiktarzeau: is fun?  :P09:27
lunitiktarzeau: not so much... but I tried your LIveCD like a year back when it first got announced publicly  :)09:27
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GuruFFlo...09:28
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tarzeaulunitik: try the latest of february, 0.9.4.2 (a big improvement)09:28
tarzeaulunitik: (or wait for the 0.9.5 one, 2-3 months)09:28
lunitiktarzeau: based on Ubuntu livecd's?\09:28
Xorehey. i've got a bit of a problem. i'm trying to unmount a partition, but it refuses to let me, as it says it is constantly busy09:28
lunitik(instead of Morphix)09:29
kakaltowhat do you guys think of SimplyMepis?09:29
lunitikkakalto: don't bother09:29
tarzeaulunitik: no, but i got it in my todo list to check the livecd base of ubuntu09:29
GuruFFsometimes i have two of my partitions mounted in a nice way on desktop, available under places->computer and visible in nautilus side bar, and sometimes not; what to add in fstab to have partitions always mounted and visible in nautilus sidebar ????09:29
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lunitiktarzeau: many seem to like it... easy to customize etc... deff look into it  :)09:29
tarzeaulunitik: the ultimate goal for me is to move away from linux (to some sort of microkernel, preferably gnu/l4/hurd)09:29
Xorei ran lsof /dev/hda7, which tells me gam_server is accessing it09:29
Xorei kill gam_server, but it keeps coming back09:29
kakaltolunitik, why?09:30
tarzeaulunitik: looked at morphix? it's easy too (i need one hour to build/compress mine, and that with one single mouseclick)09:30
lunitiktarzeau: last I checked on mach/hurd ... it was unbeleivably slow... haven't gotten my hands on an l4/hurd system though  :(09:30
tarzeaulunitik: tried OPENSTEP (Mach)?09:30
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tarzeaulunitik: damn horribly fast like lightspeed (and rocksolid too)09:31
kakaltolunitik, why is SimplyMepis not worth bothering for?09:31
lunitiktarzeau: not in a long while  :(09:31
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lunitikkakalto: because it is crap09:31
tarzeaulunitik: so you have seen/worked on it?09:31
kakaltolunitik, in what way?09:31
kakaltogive me info09:31
lunitiktarzeau: on OpenStep? sort of... via AfterStep and GNUStep... (not sure if that counts?)09:31
kakaltolunitik, why is SimplyMepis crap?09:32
tarzeaulunitik: here *tease*, www.linuks.mine.nu/openstep/ break in tears. afterstep is nothing against it. no it doesn't count09:32
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lunitikkakalto: it is just not worth it... it is basically exactly like Kubuntu... only with Proprietary things   :/09:32
kakaltoI'm going to try it anyway, since you're not telling me why09:32
kakaltookay, now we're getting somewhere :D09:32
tarzeaulunitik: you're like missing all the cool apps like: http://mediawiki.gnustep.org/index.php/Porting_NeXTSTEP/OPENSTEP_Applications#Lighthouse_Design09:32
Xoreanyone?09:33
tarzeaulunitik: but don't whine, next live cd will gona have Emacs.app definitely among other new apps09:33
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lunitiktarzeau: sounds cool... you are way to into *Step though  :P09:34
lunitiktoo*09:34
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tarzeaulunitik: its got a beautiful cover too, www.linuks.mine.nu/gnustep/gnustepcdcover.png  (there's a better pdf , correct size, correct color)09:35
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lunitiktarzeau: you'll ever get Sun to open source that *Step office suite?09:35
tarzeaulunitik: i wish. (can't tell details now though :)09:35
b2sXore: try ps fax to see what is its parent, which might be restarting it.09:35
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kakaltowhat's libranet like?09:36
Xoreno parent, i alraedy checked that with --forest09:36
tarzeaukakalto: like debian09:36
Xorebut, it's ok, another friend pointed me at umount -l, which seems to have done the trick09:36
b2sXore: are you killing it with -9?09:36
lunitikkakalto: Kubuntu with adminmenu... a crap interface for debconf09:36
tarzeaukakalto: and nothing's like debian (quality and support like)09:36
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kakaltolunitik, so you're telling me that every debian-based distro that comes with kde is like kubuntu?09:37
tarzeaulunitik: btw, like games?09:37
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lunitiktarzeau: Debian has to support too many architechtures... brings things to 'market' slower then most due to that09:37
lunitiktarzeau: somewhat... :)09:37
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lunitikkakalto: well... yeah09:37
lunitikkakalto: KDE is KDE no matter who compiles it09:38
kakaltotrue09:38
kakaltocan I get IceWM for ubuntu?09:38
lunitikkakalto: yeah09:38
kakaltoI suppose I just go to the main site09:38
lunitikkakalto: it is in Universe09:38
kakaltomain icewm side09:38
kakaltoohk09:38
kakaltosweet09:38
TirnoStill wondering about my wifi09:39
lunitiktarzeau: not to mention... it has been about 20 months since woody was released, and it is still the stable dist  :/09:39
Tirnoif I can get a public ap on sudo iwlist scan09:39
ctquclI use ubuntu and  install the kde ,but the icons kde have can't view prefect,who knows why?09:39
kakaltoicewm is tiny!!!09:39
Tirnoand I know it's public09:39
kakalto4mb total09:39
Tirnowhy does sudo iwconfig eth1 essid public09:39
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Tirnonot *always* connect me?09:40
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lunitikTirno: you forgot to tap your feet together 3 times?09:40
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PirkeiHow do i hide the OS info given to IRC?09:40
kakaltodepends on your client, I suppose09:40
Pirkeiwhat client do you recommend?09:41
lunitikPirkei: IRC doesn't give OS info09:41
kakaltoI, myself use kubuntu, and kde's default is konversation09:41
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kakaltobut under gnome, xchat is great09:41
kakaltoor chatzilla for firefox09:41
kakaltothat's not too bad09:41
lunitikPirkei: Konversation, XChat, or irssi09:41
goldfishirssi !09:41
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kakaltoirssi is text-based, though, isn't it?09:42
lunitikkakalto: yeah09:42
goldfishaye09:42
b2syay irssi! :P09:42
goldfishthe best way :)09:42
kakaltoor bitchx09:42
lunitikbitchx sucks09:42
goldfishbx sux , boooo !09:42
b2sheh09:42
lunitikstupid part messages  >:|09:42
goldfishindeed :)09:42
Tirnolunitik: yah, I'm an idiot noob who can barely switch a computer on09:42
Pirkeichatzilla is worst. - lol09:42
FreezerXAny idea why ubuntu / linux can't connect the keyboard of my notebook. Sometimes it is not possible to make a choice in the boot menu of grub.09:42
goldfish*SUBLIMINAL MESSAGE* USE BX *SUBLIMINAL MESSAGE*09:42
goldfishfor example09:43
Pirkeiheh09:43
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goldfishSure, just use the irc plugin for azureus09:43
tarzeaulunitik: well i use sparc, alpha, hppa and i've got mips too, aside powerpc09:43
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GuruFFcan anyone help me with nautilus, please09:43
Myrttigoldfish: pwhah. irssi <309:43
tarzeaulunitik: so it's good they support those (well actually, i only use sid, so having the stuff in sid, would be enough for me, all using netboot/netinstall)09:43
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lunitiktarzeau: so Debian is a nice choice for you... for most though, not so much  ;)09:44
goldfishMyrtti: yeah :)09:44
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goldfishAfter using irssi, i can not stand using gui irc clients.09:44
goldfish*cannot09:44
kakaltoheheh.09:44
kakaltoI only use irssi when my GUI crashes, due to some setting stuff up09:44
tarzeaulunitik: i can't believe 100% of people want gnome, is maybe 30% want gnome, 30% want kde, 30% want gnustep, 10% something else09:44
Pirkeigaim has to be the worst for irc09:44
kakaltognustep?09:45
tarzeaulunitik: you like games?09:45
jcieHi, having problems adjusting the screen resolution for laptop with external screen. Any ideas?09:45
tarzeaukakalto: http://livecd.gnustep.org09:45
lunitiktarzeau: I stopped using Sid when they stopped letting things in due to Sarge release, and growing frustrated about Sarges lack of actually being released09:45
tarzeaujcie: i386 or ppc ?09:45
lunitiktarzeau: yes09:45
jcietarzeau: i38609:45
holycowtarzeau, indeed, the gnome, kde and gnustep and other de's are all catering to some VERY different tastes09:45
tarzeaulunitik: try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian/supertransball2/    or http://gnu.ethz.ch/debian/mog/   two nice 2d games09:46
kakaltois gnustep a distro or a GUI?09:46
kakaltoa distro?09:46
lunitiktarzeau: true enough... but Ubuntu has 'derivatives' ... you should maybe work on making a GNUStep derivative... ride the Ubuntu hype, UbuntuStep  8)09:46
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tarzeaukakalto: gnustep is a free implementation of the openstep specification *of 1994, by sun and next)09:46
tarzeaukakalto: this is the cd with that and apps basing on it, it's a complete system09:46
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Pirkeithere are only so many hours in a day to code - ya gotta sleep sometime09:47
kakaltoso what's openstep?09:47
tarzeaulunitik: the name is just hilarious (i can't get friends with this african stuff)09:47
tarzeaukakalto: try google09:47
kakaltok09:47
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lunitiktarzeau: look at distrowatch for the last month to see how popular Ubuntu is though...09:47
tarzeaulunitik: how much terabytes did they send out? and pressed cds? is that info public?09:47
lunitiktarzeau: almost double the nearest distro... would get GNUStep into a lot more hands09:47
tarzeaulunitik: i've had like 5 tb of gnustep live cd out or so09:48
lunitiktarzeau: I09:48
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lunitiktarzeau: I'm not sure... sabdfl or others in #ubuntu-devel would be better to ask09:48
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tarzeaulunitik: it's just a problem of time/resources. if there was someone i knew or on irc, that could guide me, why not. otherwise i don't feel like diggin into this myself09:48
lunitiktarzeau: sabdfl = mark shuttleworth... guy behind Ubuntu09:49
tarzeaulunitik: for the easy fact, morphix just works for me great (and the boot problem got fixed /w new base too)09:49
tarzeaulunitik: gaim? hehe ok thanks09:49
AsAshi\09:49
goldfishhaylo09:49
AsAshey gold09:50
lunitiktarzeau: I'm talking about an install / livecd distro that would benifit from the hype of Ubuntu... therefore get into more peoples view...09:50
lunitiktarzeau: win win for you  :)09:50
lunitiktarzeau: surely there are more people than just you working on GNUStep livecd's?09:51
tarzeaulunitik: the company and ubuntu support also kubuntu (including the shipit stuff?)09:51
lunitik(even though it is on your site...)09:51
tarzeaulunitik: the only reason for me to use your livecd base is support for powerpc ... morphix is only i38609:51
tarzeaulunitik: actually no :) it's just me09:51
lunitiktarzeau: nah... Kubuntu doesn't benifit from anything like that... just the hype  :P09:51
kakaltoso, tarzeau, if I download gnustep from the repositories, and log out, it will be in the sessions list along with kde, gnome, icewm, etc. ?09:52
lunitiktarzeau: and amd64  ;)09:52
tarzeaukakalto: no you'll want to install gnustep wmaker gnustep-devel gnustep-games and then start window maker09:52
tarzeaukakalto: and the debian package looks ugly by default, you'll want to change it09:52
tarzeaulunitik: i386 stuff also werk on amd64 :) (ok that's cheap)09:53
kakaltoand THEN, if I log out it will be in the sessions manager?09:53
tarzeaulunitik: you think my mom would notice?09:53
kakaltoor how would I go into it?09:53
tarzeaukakalto: what session manager? maybe. i use startx with exec wmaker in my .xsession09:53
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lunitiktarzeau: if you got an Ubuntu deriv' for GNUStep... perhaps  :P09:53
kakaltotarzeau, in the gdm, there's a little sessions thing, can I open gnustep from there? do I just open windowmaker?09:54
tarzeaukakalto: yes just open window maker09:54
kakaltook09:54
kakaltothanks09:54
lunitikkakalto: you would start wmaker... gnustep is just a framework09:54
lunitikkakalto: simular to GTK sorta09:54
tarzeaukakalto: oh and don't try focus follows mouse or autoraise :)09:54
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goldfishemm, if i want programs to run when x server starts do i put them in ~/.xsession ?09:55
tarzeaugoldfish: yes09:55
kakaltolunitik, ah, I understand now09:55
tarzeaugoldfish: example here, www.linuks.mine.nu/conf/09:55
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kakaltoI was wondering where gnustep came in09:55
goldfishtarzeau: thanking you.09:55
kakaltodo many applications depend on gnustep?09:55
tarzeaukakalto: about 50-100 packages in sid09:55
kakaltolike, common ones?09:55
kakaltoohk09:55
tarzeaukakalto: there is no common, is there?09:55
tarzeaulunitik: the biggest problem from what i get to hear seems to be, hardly anyone remember lighthouse design apps at sun.com09:57
kakaltotarzeau, not really09:57
goldfishtarzeau: sorry, i'm a n00b to linux, do i have to give it certain permissions?09:57
tarzeaulunitik: and they can't find it. so if you got some friends @sun.com and they're bored, send them to the cellar to search it under the dust09:57
tarzeaulunitik: i'd pay a new vacuum cleaner09:57
tarzeaugoldfish: no09:57
goldfishok09:57
goldfishthanks09:57
kakaltoif GTK stands for GIMP ToolKit, why do so many apps use it?09:58
tarzeaui'd like to grill a goldfish on the fire09:58
tarzeaukakalto: which, gtk1 or gtk2?09:58
tarzeaukakalto: because they don't think.09:58
goldfishtarzeau: :)09:58
tarzeaukakalto: nor care about portability09:58
tarzeaukakalto: marketing and hype09:58
maswankakalto: because they think it a nice toolkit?09:58
kakaltoheheh.09:58
tarzeaumaswan: which it is not, right?09:58
maswantarzeau: at least it isn't qt...09:59
tarzeaumaswan: maybe more like they didn't see/look for anything else and picked what they first found09:59
tarzeaumaswan: i hear lots of people say qt is much nicer (although i don't like that neither)09:59
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maswantarzeau: well, I'd expect c++ weenies prefer qt over gtk09:59
kakaltoso, you have qt, gtk, gnustep, what else?09:59
maswanmotif09:59
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kakaltolol10:00
tarzeaukakalto: that's it, for free software (there's some minor ones, but not worth mentioned)10:00
GuruFFi need help with nautilus not seeing mounted volumes, anyone ?10:00
tarzeaukakalto: with gnustep (foundationkit and applicationkit) you can develop graphical/nongraphical software that'll even work on mac os x (since cocoa is the same with added shine)10:00
kakaltokewl10:00
tarzeaukakalto: and you can port back to openstep too! (which runs on hppa, winnt, sparc, m68k, solaris and i386)10:01
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tarzeaukakalto: actually there is some people that still develop on openstep, and move their source.tar to mac os x and windows, compile and ship (no portage work)10:01
kakaltowoah10:02
tarzeaukakalto: here: http://www.ivt.baug.ethz.ch/oev/RailMLEditor_d.html#Gnustep and http://www.ivt.baug.ethz.ch/oev/OpenTrack/Downloads/batschkus.pdf10:02
kakaltoI didn't realise anything worked that way10:02
tarzeaukakalto: well it does. but 90% don't realise it10:02
maswantarzeau: hey, gtk runs on a fair number of ports too10:02
tarzeaukakalto: you should know that gnustep and that stuff isn't c++ though, it's objective-c10:02
kakaltoqt is cross-platform, apparently10:02
tarzeaumaswan: that's not the same10:02
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tarzeaumaswan: how much porting work is needed?10:02
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maswantarzeau: ./configure; make; make install ?10:03
tarzeaugnustep has some advantages (which are fantastic!) i can tell you later that the others all don't have10:03
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tarzeaumaswan: on os x and windows?10:03
tarzeaumaswan: i mean you'll need an x server on os x, right?10:03
maswantarzeau: wouldn't know, have never touched those platforms10:03
maswantarzeau: I would expect to, yes.10:03
tarzeaumaswan: with gnustep, not so10:04
maswantarzeau: well, good for it. and objective c seems neat. unlike, say, c++. :)10:05
tarzeaumaswan: yep :)10:05
GuruFFi need help with nautilus not seeing mounted volumes, anyone ?10:05
kakaltomounted volumes, as in hd volumes?10:06
kakaltoso it won't open where they're mounted?10:06
GuruFFkakalto; nautilus will open them10:07
GuruFFkakalto; but sometimes i can't see them on desktop10:07
kakaltoahhh10:07
kakaltothat's something different10:07
GuruFFkakalto; when i start computer for the first time i can't see mounted volumes on desktop, they are mounted i can access them, no worries10:08
Shuflahttp://www.kenthamilton.net/humor/admin-horror.html :D10:08
kakaltoGuruFF, if automagically mounted on boot, I'm pretty sure they don't display links on the desktop.10:08
kakaltojust make some links on the desktop10:08
GuruFFkakalto; did, but still, after reboot i have my links on destkop and mounted volumes10:09
kakaltoso what's the problem?10:09
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GuruFFkakalto; i would like that nautilus see volumes at the first time10:09
kakaltoGuruFF, so you want it to display links on the desktop first time?10:10
GuruFFkakalto; yes10:10
kakaltothat's different10:10
kakaltonautilus is the file browser10:10
kakaltowhether or not it shows volumes on the desktop is different, I think10:11
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eaonShufla: thats great thanks :D10:11
GuruFFkakalto; know, i tauhght there are some options i can pass in fstab during mount10:11
kakaltothat only mounts the volumes10:12
kakaltothat doesn't determine if an icon shows on the desktop10:12
GuruFFkakalto; ok, so what can i do ?10:12
kakaltoright-click on teh desktop, create launcher10:13
kakaltounder "command", put nautilus <path>10:13
kakaltochoose an icon, and name10:13
kakaltothen accept10:13
GuruFFkakalto; yeah but that's walaround if i do that nautilus will still be blind for mounted volumes :)10:13
kakaltoGuruFF, if you mount /dev/hda1 on /home/user/ then under nautilus, you go to /home/user to access that volume. you understand that?10:14
GuruFFkakalto; yes i do; but if nautilus sees mounted partitions as volumes then i can manage mounted volumes in sidebar of nautilus10:15
kakaltonautilus doesn't see mounted partitions as volumes, I don't think10:16
kakaltoGuruFF, are you normally a windows user?10:16
GuruFFkakalto; no, i was using kde till now truly saying, those are my first encounters with gnome environment10:17
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GuruFFgr8 :<10:19
micschhi, i have a little problem, update-rc.d -f /etc/init.d/hotpluh remove, how can i undo this?10:19
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kakaltoGuruFF, sorry10:19
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kakaltoKDE locked up10:19
kakaltoGuruFF, what did you just say?10:20
kakaltooh, I see it, nm10:20
GuruFFkakalto; :P i was using kde till now, switched to gnome recently and trying to make my way10:20
holycowhttp://www.skype.com/products/skype/linux/  <-- *ummm*10:20
kakaltoI don't think nautilus does that10:20
kakaltoGuruFF, use KDE :P10:20
holycowdid you notice they have a debian package of skype?10:20
holycowholy moly, now there is a company that really understands us10:20
holycowi may even consider them somewhat legit now10:21
holycowjeebus10:21
goldfishthey even mention ubuntu :)10:21
HrdwrBoBholycow: pity it sucks10:21
holycowi know!10:21
GuruFFkakalto; no worries, anyhow nautilus does see ->sometimes<- partitions as it would be cdrom, etc, so you can access it easily from sidebar and other stuff, ok i will bug ppl from gnome about this.10:22
holycowsure it sucks, that the first company that has any clue about linux tho, they manage to not lump us all in rpm hell10:22
holycowi'm so surprised10:22
ice_1963i'm runing mepis kde3.3.110:22
ice_1963=)10:22
HrdwrBoBholycow: true10:22
ice_1963yup10:23
HrdwrBoBholycow: I wish they had a nonshit voice codec though10:23
HrdwrBoBit's not like it's hard10:23
holycowHrdwrBoB, lol, i understand there are even free ones available *cough* ogg * cough*10:23
kakaltoGuruFF, nautilus isn't very good, IMO10:23
holycowkakalto, how do you define good?10:24
GuruFFkakalto; well depends10:24
kakaltoI'm not trying to start a war here10:24
mjr_I_ wish they weren't proprietary all the way from the software to the protocols10:24
holycowkakalto, don't worry :)10:25
kakaltobut I don't like the default way nautilus does things10:25
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holycowkakalto, oh thats cool, i miss konqueror my self10:25
kakaltomaybe I'm just in love with konq10:25
GuruFFkakalto; well gnome and konqueror are targeted for different audience as is kde and gnome thus i quit comparing those long time ago10:25
kakaltothey are?10:25
holycowkonq is an amazing piece of software10:25
kakaltoGuruFF, what are the audiences they are aimed at?10:25
kakaltoholycow, absolutely10:26
holycowkakalto, yes they are, konq is for power users10:26
holycownautilus for joe six pack10:26
kakaltoahh10:26
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holycowkonq is so powerfull you can blow even advanced users doors off showing them some of the neat things it can do10:26
kakaltounder Windows, they got the right idea (from konq) about integrating explorer, internet, etc.10:26
holycowopening up ftp, ssh, various other protocols, all in subdivided windows ... killer10:27
kakaltoyeah10:27
GuruFFkakalto; well ihmo, if you want an ability to setup everyting you like -> go konqueror and kde, if you want clear, easy but not so much configurealbe stuff go gnome10:27
kakaltoI find kde easier than gnome10:27
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GuruFFkakalto; uhh, really :)10:27
kakaltomaybe because everything points to the Control Panel10:27
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holycownow can anyone explain to me the linux sound system? there has to be an explanation for noobs out there that outlines the various pieces and what passes what info to where and in what order10:27
kakaltoinstead of just every setting all over the place10:27
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holycowkakalto, i would say gnome 2.10 has addressed that to some degree with the new menus10:28
kakaltoholycow, I know this much: under gentoo, my sound card had REAL ISSUES because of ALSA (new) and OSS (old)10:28
nemosyshi guys10:28
kakaltoholycow, I'll have to try gnome 2.10 out some time10:28
holycowi think the system menu needs to me moved out of applications and under system, but thats my thing10:28
holycowkakalto, just install hoary, it uses it10:29
PirkeiHow do i burn an ISO file?10:29
kakaltoholycow, I did10:29
kakaltobut because of some file in my home dir, gnome won't run10:29
holycow*shrug* sounds easy to fix10:29
nemosyshow to upgrade my 4.10 warty ubuntu to 5.04 hoary ubuntu?10:29
kakaltoI wiped everything except for my home dir, and installed hoary from start10:29
kakaltonemosys, change all instances of "warty" to "hoary" in your repositories, sudo apt-get update then sudo apt-get dist-upgrade10:30
holycownemosys, change /etc/apt/sources.list and sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade10:30
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nemosysoww10:30
kakaltoholycow, any ideas of what file(s) in my home folder would make gnome screw up on login?10:30
nemosyshmmm all instances of warty to hoary... a bit confuse *im linux noob* sorry =(10:30
holycowkakalto, i find that having a good big picture understanding of the subsystems helps in debugging issues, most of the stuff on the net focuses very tightly to specific isues10:31
kakaltoahk.10:31
PirkeiHow do i burn a bootable ISO image file?10:31
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