[12:00] <bwlang> sobersabre: it's probably your time zone setting... if you're not off by 1 hour increments then the timeserver is probably misconfigured - use pool.ntp.org instead
[12:00] <bob2> Olsen: no
[12:00] <mcphail> bwlang: OpenOffice.org presenter
[12:00] <mdke> bob2, can i have a quick word?
[12:00] <nickrud> sobersabre, is your hardware time utc, or local time
[12:00] <mainer> sobresabre: did you config utc,or local time??
[12:00] <Olsen> bah, i'm disappointed :/
[12:00] <bob2> mdke: ok
[12:00] <bwlang> mcphail: ah.. i'll try it
[12:00] <bob2> Olsen: that's not what universe is for
[12:00] <bob2> Olsen: at least the first 3 are in main
[12:00] <mcphail> bwlang: or you can create an animated .GIF with the GIMP
[12:01] <Olsen> bob2, what is universe for?
[12:01] <grumpysmurf> wow thats an openended question
[12:01] <pagefault> does anyone have any idea why my clock slowly drifts ahead on me?
[12:01] <bob2> Olsen: unsupported free software
[12:01] <mainer> it's the equivalent of debian "testing"
[12:01] <pagefault> like 20 minutes a day
[12:01] <bob2> Olsen: main is for supported free software
[12:02] <Olsen> ok
[12:02] <mainer> or unstable actually,maybe?
[12:02] <zoppy> tbird : can u repaste the link please ;-)
[12:02] <chris__> anyone have experience setting up broadcom cards with ndiswrapper, im having a strange problem
[12:02] <Olsen> can i get bleeding edge software?
[12:02] <tbird>  flashplayer-mozilla
[12:02] <tbird> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-16360.html
[12:02] <zoppy> tbird : or the keyword
[12:03] <darkaudit> pagefault: haven't found an answer yet... other than changing the clock sync to periodic, rather than once
[12:03] <mcphail> chris__: fire away...
[12:03] <pagefault> darkaudit, yeah it's rather annoying
[12:03] <djm62> mini: hmmm: do you have more than one soundcard?
[12:03] <chris__> mcphail, basically when i set everything up and modprobe ndiswrapper i get this:
[12:04] <chris__> FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko): Operation not permitted
[12:04] <pagefault> you need to sudo your modprobe
[12:04] <mini> djm62: yes...
[12:04] <mini> djm62: 2..
[12:04] <pagefault> sudo modprobe ndiswrapper
[12:04] <mini> djm62: 1 inegrated on my motherboard and one more..
[12:04] <mcphail> chris__: are you doing this as root?
[12:05] <chris__> man weird
[12:05] <chris__> i was sudoing it, but i just su'd and now it works
[12:05] <chris__> lol
[12:05] <pagefault> weird
[12:06] <chris__> do you have to restart before the card will detect your AP?
[12:06] <abelli_> ciao && thx bob2
[12:06] <djm62> mini: that could be your problem...the system might not share your audiophile preferences
[12:06] <mcphail> chris__: no. Try ifup wlan0
[12:06] <pagefault> if you have problems seeing you AP you may need to upgrade ndiswrapper
[12:06] <pagefault> had to do that for a friend
[12:06] <pagefault> hoary shipped with an old version
[12:06] <abelli_> did somebody notice a segfault with streamtuner while trying to open some arbitrary directories?
[12:06] <djm62> mini: do you know what modules the cards use?
[12:07] <mini> djm62: okay..
[12:07] <mini> djm62: nope..
[12:07] <riji> VNC for linux/horay?
[12:07] <chris__> wow it works now
[12:07] <mcphail> chris__: excellent
[12:07] <djm62> mini: can you PM me with the output of lsmod
[12:07] <chris__> well thanks guys, everything worked out of the box except wifi and ive been trying to get it for like 48 hours
[12:08] <mcphail> chris__: it took me 18 months ;p
[12:08] <chris__> hehe
[12:08] <mini> mini     10224  0.0  0.1  1820  560 pts/0    R+   01:58   0:00 grep esd
[12:09] <chris__> well actually, strange, the ap shows up in kwifimanger, but iwlist wlan0 scan returns no scan results
[12:09] <Scuddie> OK...
[12:10] <chris__> brb
[12:10] <mini> djm62:did you get it?
[12:10] <Scuddie> Who here knows how to re-route calls to OSS to ESD?
[12:10] <nickrud> Scuddie, try esddsp <app>
[12:10] <abelli_> really no one here that uses streamtuner?
[12:11] <Scuddie> Oh really?  That's all there is to it?
[12:11] <bob2> most people use mplayer for that sort of thing
[12:11] <Scuddie> Even if the program was hard-coded to use OSS?
[12:12] <nickrud> Scuddie, it's usually worked for me, don't ask me to explain :)
[12:12] <Scuddie> OK, I'll give it a shot.
[12:14] <Scuddie> Oh... Also another simple question, is there any way to set Firefox to open up a new tab after target=_blank instead of a new window?
[12:14] <abelli_> bob2: talking to me?
[12:14] <bob2> abelli_: yes
[12:15] <abelli_> mplayer has radio listing?
[12:15] <phasegen> 2 questions for someone with the know-how
[12:15] <cafuego> Hmm. ANy reason breezy thinks I shouldn be using Evolution?
[12:16] <bob2> abelli_: doubt it
[12:16] <abelli_> so why mplayer should substitute streamtuner?
[12:16] <bob2> ?
[12:17] <bob2> aren't you just using streamtuner to listen to icecast or whatever?
[12:17] <thr1ce> can someone help me ?  I get this error when I log in
[12:17] <thr1ce> http://www.pastebin.com/273027
[12:17] <thr1ce> since I installed my ATI driver
[12:17] <bob2> #flood is a less annoying than pastebin, imo
[12:17] <phasegen> if I do the default install, how do I change my screen res?  the only choices offered are 800X600 and 640X480.  I need 1024X768
[12:17] <fateisajester> hi i have just installed ubuntu. is there a superkaramba rpm for this distro and where can i find it
[12:17] <thedudeabides> O.K., i've got the ndiswrapper tar burned on a disc and i've got Linux booted up.  What next?
[12:17] <abelli_> bob2: huh, not just for radios' directories.
[12:17] <thr1ce> I can paste it in #flood if you'd like too
[12:18] <abelli_> bob2: indexing.
[12:18] <bob2> fateisajester: rpm? no.
[12:18] <bob2> fateisajester: it is packaged, tho.
[12:18] <nickrud> thr1ce, stick in the two tests xorg mentions, also
[12:18] <fateisajester> where can i find it?
[12:18] <thr1ce> nickrud, what do you mean ?
[12:19] <simonp> how to use the rescue mode, just changing vc?
[12:19] <bob2> fateisajester: wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[12:19] <fateisajester> thx
[12:19] <thedudeabides> O.K., i've got the ndiswrapper tar burned on a disc and i've got Linux booted up.  What next?
[12:19] <nickrud> The result of <b>xprop -root | grep XKB  and the other.
[12:19] <bob2> thedudeabides: no need to keep repeating
[12:19] <simonp> thedudeabides: how about reading documentation ;)
[12:20] <simonp> thedudeabides: you're gonna need the windows driver installation files
[12:20] <thedudeabides> I have the windows drivers as well.  I'm a newb so the ndis installation guide doesn't help me too much.
[12:20] <thr1ce> nickrud, http://www.pastebin.com/273029
[12:21] <thr1ce> nickrud, I see xfree in there...could that be something ?
[12:23] <nickrud> thr1ce, no, and they look ok to me ...
[12:23] <nickrud> let me check something
[12:23] <thr1ce> nickrud, that error pops up when I log in to an X session
[12:23] <Doomhammer> I'm trying to run Unreal Tournament 2003, I installed fglrx and ran "fglrxconfig", edited the file a bit so it would work with x.org instead of XFree86, and now when I try to run the game is says "Couldn't set video mode: Couldn't find matching GLX visual" ... what do I do to fix this?
[12:23] <Gumby> can anyone here tell me the name of the wireless network ap in gnome?
[12:24] <thr1ce> but on the upside... 35022 frames in 5.0 seconds = 7004.400 FPS
[12:24] <thr1ce>   :)
[12:24] <nickrud> thr1ce, maybe it does, mine has xorg.
[12:24] <thr1ce> nickrud, hm...would that be somewhere in xorg.conf ?
[12:24] <Doomhammer> I'm trying to run Unreal Tournament 2003, I installed fglrx and ran "fglrxconfig", edited the file a bit so it would work with x.org instead of XFree86, and now when I try to run the game is says "Couldn't set video mode: Couldn't find matching GLX visual" ... what do I do to fix this?
[12:25] <nickrud> yup, under input device
[12:25] <thr1ce>     Option "XkbRules"   "xfree86"
[12:25] <thr1ce>     Option "XkbModel"   "pc101"
[12:25] <thr1ce>     Option "XkbLayout"  "us"
[12:25] <thr1ce> ?
[12:25] <thr1ce> what must that be changed to ?
[12:25] <nickrud> "XkbRules"      "xorg"
[12:25] <Doomhammer> change the "xfree86" to "xorg", if you're on Hoary
[12:25] <fateisajester> bob2: i understand i need to update my repositories. do you know of one that has superkaramba?
[12:26] <thr1ce> Doomhammer, got the 3d accel working finally
[12:26] <bob2> fateisajester: no, you don't
[12:26] <bob2> fateisajester: it's in hoary universe
[12:26] <fateisajester> oh
[12:26] <fateisajester> ok
[12:26] <fateisajester> thx
[12:26] <Doomhammer> thrlce: I think i've got it working... I insalled fglrx ... I'm getting ~100FPS in glxgears now
[12:26] <thr1ce> ok, brb...lemme try er out
[12:26] <Doomhammer> thrlce: but when I try to run Ut2k4 it says "Couldn't set video mode: Couldn't find matching GLX visual"
[12:27] <adapt> man. Limewire kills my system. makes nautilus take like 20 seconds to open. <1 second normally
[12:27] <thr1ce> 35025 frames in 5.0 seconds = 7005.000 FPS
[12:27] <thr1ce> that's my glxgears
[12:27] <thr1ce> :)
[12:27] <adapt> i havent used p2p in forever.. anything better than Limewire (amule doesnt ever work for me)
[12:27] <thr1ce> that was compiling new drivers from source...  </slackware user>
[12:27] <thr1ce> anyways, lemme try that out
[12:27] <thedudeabides> i'm lost here
[12:28] <Doomhammer> thrlce: when I try to run Ut2k4 it says "Couldn't set video mode: Couldn't find matching GLX visual" ... what do I do about that?
[12:28] <cafuego> bob2: You know, #ubuntu needs an archive-searching bot.
[12:29] <bob2> hah
[12:29] <djm62> true it does
[12:29] <djm62> grim
[12:30] <djm62> does anyone know a simpler way to change soundcard order in alsa than editing /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
[12:30] <bob2> blacklist the secondary device in /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[12:30] <bob2> load it in /etc/modules
[12:31] <limer> woot!  totem has audio :P
[12:32] <mini> djm62: still no sound :P
[12:33] <sionide> agh freenode split!
[12:34] <djm62> mini: check volume control again?
[12:34] <elektrolyytti> im going to install windows xp and of course its going to remove my ubuntu grub boot... what is the fastest and easiest way to get grub back?
[12:34] <dhahn> hello
[12:34] <Burgundavia_> elektrolyytti, there is a wiki page about that
[12:34] <Burgundavia_> elektrolyytti, search the Ubuntu wiki for Windows
[12:34] <zero[] > elektrolyytti: i think when you try to install windows xp it's not gonna be able to boot up at first
[12:35] <zero[] > when it restarts for the first time
[12:35] <zero[] > and you're gonna have to reinstall GRUB at that point
[12:35] <mini> djm62: still no sound :
[12:35] <dhahn> Looking for help with an ethernet interface on a toshiba laptop after a 4.10 to 5.04 upgrade
[12:35] <mini> djm62, notmuted..
[12:35] <elektrolyytti> zero[] : nope.. i installed it before and not...
[12:35] <Gumby> can anyone here tell me the name of the wireless network ap in gnome?
[12:36] <zero[] > elektrolyytti: that's strange, last time i tried installing windows on an ex-linux box i had to format the mbr first
[12:36] <jordanau> i ahve changed my college major to computer science, we must learn java. <---thoughts?
[12:37] <zero[] > java is good, i like it
[12:37] <zero[] > cross-platform
[12:37] <zero[] > you can program something in linux and it'll work in windows too
[12:37] <|QuaD-> zero[] : c# is nice too
[12:37] <grumpysmurf> theoretically
[12:37] <|QuaD-> zero[] : you can do the same with c#
[12:37] <zero[] > eh, usually works
[12:37] <zero[] > really?
[12:37] <zero[] > i didn't know that
[12:38] <djm62> Gumby: you can set supported cards with network-admin
[12:38] <|QuaD-> zero[] : i was a java fan until i found c#
[12:38] <|QuaD-> it is reat
[12:38] <mini> djm62, so what do i do?
[12:38] <zero[] > microsoft made something.. good?
[12:38] <zero[] > hehe
[12:38] <djm62> mini: I'm quite lost now...googling
[12:38] <Gumby> djm62: I am looking for something like kwifimanager for kde but for gnome
[12:38] <|QuaD-> zero[] : well, microsoft only made the windows implementation
[12:39] <mini> djm62, well don't bother... going to bed..
[12:39] <|QuaD-> they designed the language and framework though
[12:39] <zero[] > i thought microsoft was behind the whole c# language
[12:39] <ago73> Hi all
[12:39] <Burgundavia_> zero[] , java, that write once run anywhere is not true. Also java is non-free
[12:39] <|QuaD-> zero[] : they designed the languages
[12:39] <mini> djm62,  but thanks for the help
[12:39] <djm62> sorry it wasn't particularly
[12:39] <ago73> Do you guys use testing or unstable for external sources?
[12:39] <zero[] > oh
[12:39] <nickrud> ago73, unstable
[12:39] <|QuaD-> Burgundavia_: not non-free for long
[12:39] <Burgundavia_> ago73, ubuntu syncs to unstable
[12:40] <Burgundavia_> |QuaD-, uhh, I wil belive that when I see it
[12:40] <djm62> Gumby: I think they're doing some work on wifi which isn't in this gnome release
[12:40] <zero[] > why isn't it free? you can download the sdk from sun
[12:40] <|QuaD-> Burgundavia_: they said they would open solaris, they did, now they said they are opening java, so they will
[12:40] <Burgundavia_> zero[] , freedom to change and redistribute
[12:40] <|QuaD-> zero[] : free as in freedom not as in beer
[12:40] <Burgundavia_> |QuaD-, they have not opened solaris yet
[12:40] <zero[] > ohh
[12:40] <ago73> Burgundavia_, nickrud  thx I am asking because warty use to be on testing, right? So I thought that once Hoary was release it would also move to testing
[12:41] <djm62> why would /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base only have one line?
[12:41] <bob2> ago73: "on testing"?
[12:41] <Burgundavia_> ago73, what happens is Ubuntu syncs with Debian sid until the upstream version freeze. After that it is only selected bug fixes
[12:41] <bob2> ago73: warty was based on debian unstable, not testing
[12:41] <|QuaD-> Burgundavia_: oh, i thoughtthey did
[12:41] <ago73> bob2 thx
[12:42] <Burgundavia_> ago73, so Breezy (the next version of Ubuntu) just synced up to sid
[12:42] <Burgundavia_> |QuaD-, Expect to see buildable Solaris code here in Q2 2005. from opensolaris.org
[12:42] <sageek> I Just installed superkaramba and loaded some fine working theme, and i see the icons on it, tho his bg is black and i can't see the text, tho it seems to be working..?
[12:43] <|QuaD-> Burgundavia_: i have no desire to run it :)
[12:43] <djm62> how open?
[12:43] <Burgundavia_> |QuaD-, nor do I
[12:43] <Burgundavia_> djm62, OSI approved but not GPL compatible
[12:43] <djm62> _debuggable_ solaris code
[12:43] <sionide> how do i make firefox use the normal firefox icon/logo in ubuntu? :/
[12:43] <bob2> sionide: talk to the mozilla foundation
[12:43] <djm62> sionide: there were copyright issues with the logo
[12:43] <sageek> any clue why it won't work?
[12:43] <bob2> sionide: they have interesting ideas about trademarks
[12:44] <bob2> sageek: try #kubuntu
[12:44] <djm62> s/copyright/trademark/
[12:44] <Burgundavia_> bob2, thanks
[12:44] <jordanau> thanks for the info
[12:44] <ago73> Burgundavia_, in practice if I have external repositories for say xfce2 or debian-marillat  I should use their unstable branch right?
[12:44] <djm62> doesn't ubuntu have a similar policy on artwork?
[12:45] <Burgundavia_> ago73, absolutely
[12:45] <sageek> bob2 whats kbuntu?
[12:45] <jordanau> ubuntu with kde
[12:45] <Burgundavia_> sageek, kubuntu is the kde version of ubuntu
[12:45] <Hydroxide> why does ubuntu hoary fail to load the contents of /etc/modules if there is a /proc/ksyms file?
[12:45] <sageek> I'm not using kde
[12:45] <sageek> gnome.
[12:45] <|QuaD-> sageek: you are using the kde libraries though
[12:45] <Burgundavia_> ago73, but mostly, you just need vanilla Ubuntu sources
[12:45] <Hydroxide> that's causing me problems in my rather complicated setup. the culprit is /etc/init.d/module-init-tools
[12:45] <sageek> yeah
[12:46] <zero[] > speaking of java.. i'm trying to install the sdk right now
[12:46] <zero[] > i installed the runtime succesfully
[12:46] <thr1ce> i try to load et, and it just freezes at a black screen...
[12:46] <jordanau> zero[] , is it compiled or interpreted?
[12:47] <sageek> gnome seems pretty cute, smaller then kde :P
[12:47] <cafuego> Hmm.
[12:47] <cafuego> Any suggestions as to a bot name?
[12:48] <sageek> evilnerd
[12:48] <sageek> ;p
[12:48] <zero[] > java? it's compiled
[12:48] <tbird> a ubuntu bot?
[12:48] <ago73> Burgundavia_, thx, I am using external repo only for things I do not find on ubuntu
[12:48] <jordanau> cafuego, jordan :D
[12:48] <cafuego> tbird: yeh.
[12:48] <cafuego> tbird: Just modified blootbot, so it can search ubuntu packages
[12:48] <tbird> kewl
[12:48] <Burgundavia_> ago73, there is a drive to include as much in Ubuntu as possible
[12:49] <thr1ce> no avid ET players here ?
[12:49] <ago73> Burgundavia_, I included restricted universe multiverse, I thought that was it. What is this driver thing?
[12:51] <Burgundavia_> ago73,  sorry, not drivers. NA english biting me again. An effort to make every peice of free software available in Ubuntu
[12:51] <jordanau> cafuego, name him FAP :D find any package
[12:51] <nico13> hi
[12:51] <jordanau> nickrud, hi
[12:51] <euphor] [a> busy channel, hello
[12:51] <nickrud> jordanau, hey
[12:51] <ago73> Burgundavia_, that would be nice, but for the time being I am just adding repos
[12:51] <jordanau> nickrud, heloo
[12:51] <Hydroxide> anyone know why I might have no /etc/rcS.d/modutils symlink in ubuntu hoary with the modutils package installed?
[12:52] <nickrud> jordanau, :)
[12:52] <ago73> Burgundavia_, the only external one I really need is debian-marillat has its content be incorporated into ubuntu?
[12:52] <Burgundavia_> ago73, hmm, copyright/patent issues with that one
[12:52] <nico13> i'm using hoary, and everytime I try to browse my usb hdd, it just hangs, and I never can access its data. is it a known problem?
[12:52] <zero[] > ah okay, download j2sdk1.4, hope it works
[12:52] <zero[] > downloading*
[12:53] <zero[] > jordanau: do you have previous programming experience?
[12:53] <jordanau> zero[] , good luck, one of my college's professors wrote one of the main IDE's for java
[12:53] <euphor] [a> what cool things can i do with my new ubuntu install?
[12:53] <Burgundavia_> euphor] [a, not get virii
[12:53] <euphor] [a> Burgundavia_, always a bonus
[12:54] <jordanau> zero[] , matlab, qbasic, gwbasic, python but none of them well (matlab the best, i took a course in it)
[12:54] <Burgundavia_> euphor] [a, you coming from linuxland or windowsland?
[12:54] <nico13> Burgundavia_, i't also true if you have a windows machine unplugged from the sector :)
[12:54] <euphor] [a> Burgundavia_, /me cuddles Tux ;)
[12:54] <zero[] > jordanau: i know the other 3 are interperted, is matlab also?
[12:54] <jordanau> euphor] [a, yes
[12:54] <jordanau> zero[] , yes
[12:55] <Burgundavia_> nico13, and ground up and cast into cement (I am an MCP, I should know these things)
[12:55] <zero[] > jordanau: java isn't so difficult, if you have a background in OOP it should be okay
[12:55] <Burgundavia_> euphor] [a, enjoy your nice desktop without having to compile anything
[12:55] <jordanau> zero[] , i do not know oop
[12:55] <euphor] [a> Burgundavia_, i'm looking into ubuntu for a friend, he'd like to get into Linux
[12:55] <nico13> lol
[12:55] <vitaminmoo> What's the easiest way to get a rather minimal ubuntu system (requirement: it's chrootable and/or boots) debootstrap seems to install a bunch of stuff I don't need
[12:55] <zero[] > jordanau: those classes move pretty fast, maybe you should do some pre-reading for the class
[12:55] <Burgundavia_> euphor] [a, I am going to move my family over
[12:56] <euphor] [a> Burgundavia_, the click install was refreshing, it all works out the box :)
[12:56] <zero[] > jordanau: in the university i went to, so many people failed the intro to java class it's not even funny
[12:56] <jordanau> zero[] , is classes a pun?
[12:56] <nico13> Burgundavia_, is it hald which manages usb hotplug?
[12:56] <Burgundavia_> euphor] [a, if you are setting up for a friend, do the restrictedformat and binarydriver stuff
[12:56] <Burgundavia_> nico13, yes
[12:56] <zero[] > jordanau: classes as in courses.. in school.. hehe
[12:57] <nico13> Burgundavia_, does it work ok for you? mine carshes everyday
[12:57] <Burgundavia_> nico13, no problems here. What is the history of your install?
[12:57] <zero[] > ah, java sdk works. i love ubuntu and apt-get!!
[12:57] <jordanau> zero[] , yeah i aced matlab, i understand the basic loops, knowing the importance or syntax, i can basically use a language as an advanced calculator
[12:57] <euphor] [a> Burgundavia_, oki, is there a wiki of unofficial docs for new users on getting started? i hear there are some extra debian servers i can add to apt-get to get the juicy apps
[12:57] <euphor] [a> s/of/or
[12:58] <Burgundavia_> euphor] [a, read www.ubuntu.com/wiki/RestrictedFormats and BinaryDriverHowTo to set up that stuff
[12:58] <nico13> well, just a regular hoary preview then updates, but I always had problems with my usb drive
[12:58] <euphor] [a> Burgundavia_, ta
[12:58] <Burgundavia_> euphor] [a, the quickguide gives him an overview of all the apps in Ubuntu
[12:58] <Burgundavia_> nico13, hmm, tried other distros?
[12:58] <nico13> Burgundavia_, I was using gentoo without trouble with this drive, so it isn't a drive problem
[12:58] <Burgundavia_> nico13, file a bug
[12:58] <zero[] > jordanau: i'm assuming matlab is kinda like python right? java is a bit different, you'll be okay though. i like programming in java better than python (although i'm not so good in python)
[12:58] <jordanau> zero[] , one of the courses i will have to take is assebly, yay...
[12:58] <nico13> Burgundavia_, yep
[12:59] <jordanau> zero[] , matlab is based off of C
[12:59] <jordanau> zero[] , except it is interpreted
[12:59] <zero[] > jordanau: assembly, i wanna learn that, hehe. i'll probably learn it when i go back to school
[12:59] <zero[] > jordanau: ohh.. well c is oop, so you know the basic concept right?
[12:59] <jordanau> zero[] , no we didn't learn about oop
[01:00] <jordanau> zero[] , defining and calling functions is as close to that as i got
[01:00] <zero[] > jordanau: OOP is the greatest
[01:00] <zero[] > hehe
[01:00] <jordanau> zero[] , it allows alot of code reuse right?
[01:01] <flipy> is there any way to install ubuntu on a fake-raid?
[01:01] <ago73> apt-get update is MUCH faster than usual, this is good, but why?
[01:02] <cheniz> hi i need some help, is anyone there?
[01:02] <jordanau> cheniz, just ask
[01:02] <synic> flipy: yeah, but not full software raid.
[01:02] <Burgundavia_> ago73, less load on the servers, as most people have updated to hoary final
[01:02] <synic> flipy: full software raid is possible, but you have to do it after installation.
[01:02] <flipy> uhm
[01:03] <flipy> i can't... i just have one computer with a raid set
[01:03] <cheniz> i just installed kubuntu-desktop and then kdevelop 3.2. i cant find the linker option in kdevelop
[01:03] <synic> flipy: what do you mean?
[01:03] <Burgundavia_> cheniz, you might have a better time at #kubuntu
[01:03] <flipy> uhm, i've an amd64 with a via fake raid
[01:03] <cheniz> i want to include the math.h, but doesnt work. in version 3.0, the linker option was in project options dialogue
[01:04] <synic> flipy: oh, so you're not talking about software raid then
[01:04] <flipy> so i just one to start installtion
[01:04] <zero[] > jordanau: yeah
[01:04] <flipy> go to a console
[01:04] <cheniz> ok thanks
[01:04] <flipy> and map the partitions
[01:04] <flipy> and then let the installer continue
[01:04] <cheniz> i'll switch to kubuntu
[01:04] <cheniz> #kubuntu
[01:04] <michal_d> what kernel does the latest ubuntu use?
[01:04] <synic> 2.6.10
[01:05] <Chipparn> can anyone help me. i have followed this guide http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24575 how to set up a chroot 32 bit environmen, how does it work is i wanna run xmms or mplayer in 32 bit mode? and install w32codecs?
[01:05] <michal_d> doh.. i think i may need 2.6.11
[01:06] <synic> hey, it's tbird
[01:06] <synic> tbird: how are ya?
[01:06] <tbird> sup synic long time no see
[01:06] <tbird> synic, been good how about you ?
[01:06] <synic> tbird: indeed.  not much, just converting my last archlinux box to ubuntu
[01:06] <Dragon546> hello all
[01:06] <tbird> synic, kewl
[01:07] <tbird> synic, im running breezy
[01:07] <synic> breezy ?
[01:07] <tbird> yeah
[01:07] <synic> didn't hoary just come out? lol
[01:07] <tbird> Ubuntu 5.10 "Breezy Badger" Development Branch \n \l
[01:07] <Dragon546> has anyone used gyach-e on ubuntu and got it to work with voice
[01:07] <tbird> synic, yeah hoary is stable release
[01:08] <tbird> its the recomended install
[01:08] <pixil9> Can you get 5.1 sound with an sb live card?
[01:08] <flipy> tbird, where can i get that? and the installer has some support for fake-raid, like dmraid?
[01:08] <Moe|Joe> hi people
[01:08] <Moe|Joe> i need sum help
[01:08] <RustyShackleford> Can someone help me set up ndisswapper?  I just installed the build essentials.
[01:08] <pixil9> Moe|Joe, ask
[01:08] <flipy> RustyShackleford, what do you need to do?
[01:08] <mitza> devilspie: relocation error: devilspie: undefined symbol: _wnck_atom_get
[01:08] <mitza> what could i do to solve this problem ?
[01:08] <Moe|Joe> well im about to format my laptop and put ubuntu on
[01:08] <RustyShackleford> Install the ndisSwapper
[01:09] <LinuxJones> RustyShackleford,  , >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SetupNdiswrapperHowto
[01:09] <flipy> xDDD
[01:09] <Moe|Joe> oooooooo
[01:09] <Moe|Joe> no worries
[01:09] <Moe|Joe> i was gona ask about ndiswrapper
[01:09] <nico13> 'night guys
[01:09] <Moe|Joe> bt no need now
[01:09] <Moe|Joe> lol
[01:09] <mitza> devilspie: relocation error: devilspie: undefined symbol: _wnck_atom_get
[01:09] <tbird> Flipy i cannot recomend you install breezy, but if you wont it you can change your entrys in sources.list from hoary to breezy
[01:09] <nico13> Burgundavia_, ciao
[01:09] <tbird> but like i said i dont recomend it
[01:09] <RustyShackleford> wrapper that is.  Linuxjones, I got that, but I couldn't extract into usr/src
[01:09] <tbird> its not stable
[01:09] <QMario> Where can I go to paste code?
[01:09] <flipy> tbird, oks.. :(
[01:09] <euphor] [a> no wheel group?
[01:09] <mitza> devilspie: relocation error: devilspie: undefined symbol: _wnck_atom_get
[01:09] <stazz> how can I get syntax hilighting to console-based vim?
[01:10] <QMario> I meant what website.
[01:10] <nickrud> stazz: add syntax on to ~/.vimrc
[01:10] <tbird> flipy, ive had no real trouble with it
[01:10] <LinuxJones> RustyShackleford,  you install ndiswrapper from the install cd
[01:10] <flipy> tbird, the fact is that i thought it had a new installer...
[01:10] <RustyShackleford> What install CD?
[01:11] <pixil9> Is there an ubuntu floppy install?
[01:11] <tbird> flipy, theres no cds for it i dont think
[01:11] <pixil9> i got an old laptop here :P
[01:11] <LinuxJones> RustyShackleford,  your on a livecd ?
[01:11] <flipy> RustyShackleford, why do you want to have the linux source tree to get ndiswrapper working?
[01:11] <stazz> nickrud: thanks
[01:11] <euphor] [a> how can I su?
[01:11] <tbird> synic, why dont you ever  come to #linuxfriends anymore?
[01:11] <flipy> my system is hanging with linux-image-2.6.11
[01:12] <QMario> I will.
[01:12] <LinuxJones> euphor] [a, sudo -s (enter your user password) for root prompt
[01:12] <RustyShackleford> I'm just trying to follow the directions.  It says to untar the ndiswrapper tar to /usr/src
[01:12] <mitza> devilspie: relocation error: devilspie: undefined symbol: _wnck_atom_get
[01:12] <euphor] [a> LinuxJones, thanks
[01:12] <nickrud> mitza, apparently noone knows, try again later
[01:12] <mitza> ok
[01:12] <mitza> :D
[01:12] <tbird> flipy, mine hangs with 2.6.11 too
[01:13] <flipy> tbird, I don't get why...
[01:13] <euphor] [a> LinuxJones, can su work too? equiv to wheel group/
[01:13] <flipy> RustyShackleford, why don't you just download the binary and the modules?
[01:13] <tbird> flipy, i get a kernel panic
[01:13] <mklebel> how would i fully remove gnome after an install?
[01:13] <flipy> tbird, I don't have time to see any log
[01:13] <tbird> about the root= being wrong
[01:13] <flipy> that's weird
[01:13] <RustyShackleford> I don't know how.  I'm trying to go by these damn directions.
[01:13] <tbird> and its exact to the 2.6.10
[01:14] <flipy> so maybe it's a bad compilation of the kernel?
[01:14] <nickrud> mklebel, apt-get remove --purge libglib2.0-0
[01:14] <tbird> flipy, but im sure it has something to do with running breezy
[01:14] <LinuxJones> euphor] [a, it can but Ubuntu uses sudo and there is really no need to enable the root account
[01:14] <flipy> tbird, well, I tried it in two laptops and they hang with 2.6.11
[01:15] <tbird> flipy, oh
[01:15] <nickrud> euphor] [a, it feels weird for a while, but you get used to it
[01:15] <zero[] > is there an easy way to edit the Applications menu?
[01:15] <euphor] [a> LinuxJones, you cannot login as root?
[01:15] <LinuxJones> euphor] [a, a little more info for you >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[01:15] <euphor] [a> nickrud, heh, yeah
[01:15] <psoleko> hello
[01:16] <euphor] [a> LinuxJones, thanks
[01:16] <LinuxJones> euphor] [a,  have fun :)
[01:16] <LinuxJones> zero[] , search the ubuntu forums for meuneditor
[01:16] <euphor] [a> LinuxJones, cheers ;)
[01:16] <zero[] > i thought i can nautlius to applications:/// but it doesn't work
[01:16] <Chipparn> what do i have to do if i wanna run 32 bit apps in my 64bit horay. i have allredy followed a guide to do a chroot 32bit enviroment, where do i go from here? do i need to "switch" from 64bit to 32 bit mode or something like that?
[01:16] <zero[] > linuxjones; k
[01:17] <euphor] [a> Chipparn, you'll have to chroot into your 32bit environment
[01:18] <RustyShackleford> How do I untar something to the /usr/src directory?
[01:18] <Chipparn> euphor] [a: ok.. how do i do that? dchroot -d?
[01:18] <zenrox> RustyShackleford,  be in that dir then do sudo tar -xzvf somefile.tar.gz
[01:18] <nickrud> RustyShackleford, cd to /usr/src, sudo tar xf <apthtotarfile>
[01:18] <fateisajester> does any one here use xpde?
[01:19] <pixil9> Does anyone know if i can floppy install ubuntu?
[01:19] <nickrud> RustyShackleford, z for tar.gz, j for tar.bz2
[01:19] <Moe|Joe> (pixil9): dont tink u can
[01:19] <krusbjorn> can you afford the floppy discs needed? ;)
[01:19] <ironwolf_> pixil9: not that I've ever heard of.
[01:19] <pixil9> that sucks
[01:19] <euphor] [a> Chipparn, i'm new to ubuntu, but usually it would be something like 'linux32 chroot /your/32bit/sys /bin/bash --login'
[01:20] <ironwolf_> pixil9: do you not have a cdrom drive?
[01:20] <pixil9> its for an old laptop.. p1 233 no cdrom
[01:20] <zero[] > LinuxJones: cool, i got it working
[01:20] <cyphase> pixil9: you could try network install
[01:20] <psoleko> howabout a pcmcia cdrom?
[01:20] <Moe|Joe> (pixil9): network install?
[01:20] <pixil9> can i start a net install by floppy?
[01:20] <cyphase> lol
[01:20] <sageek> god i like ubuntu so much! :o
[01:20] <] BreliC[> anyone know what a /.dev is?
[01:21] <pixil9> sageek: me too. i just switched from my manual setup on debian
[01:21] <] BreliC[> it shows up in my 'df -h' now?
[01:21] <sageek> I just moved from slackware
[01:21] <sageek> and i loved slackware very much
[01:21] <cyphase> sageek: Ubuntu is god
[01:21] <sageek> and ubuntu is so.. hooo. amazing!
[01:21] <sageek> I AGREE!
[01:21] <Moe|Joe> i moved from fedora
[01:21] <goldfish> sageek: do u prefer it over slackware?
[01:21] <Moe|Joe> jus was interested in wht this is like
[01:21] <sageek> ofcourse!
[01:21] <sageek> It has lots of updates, and quick ones
[01:21] <] BreliC[> I moved from SuSE
[01:22] <nickrud> ] BreliC[, it's the old /dev, replaced by the new /dev (managed by udev)
[01:22] <sageek> desktop looks amazing without even touching it
[01:22] <cyphase> Ubuntu is king of desktops, and Debian is king of servers
[01:22] <sageek> FGLRX EVEN WORKS GOOD!
[01:22] <krusbjorn> what is the command to insert something at the end of a file, like "[command]  This is now the last line in the file." ?
[01:22] <cyphase> although you can use Ubuntu for servers
[01:22] <pixil9> i prefer freebsd for servers
[01:22] <] BreliC[> nickrud, is it something i should worry about?
[01:22] <Moe|Joe> althou i am currently on a windows machine...i wana get my laptop on ubuntu coz it runs really smooth
[01:22] <cyphase> well, i'm talking linux
[01:22] <sageek> so far
[01:22] <sageek> DAMN GOOD
[01:22] <sageek> :)
[01:22] <cyphase> i don't have much experience with the BSD's
[01:22] <nickrud> ] BreliC[, no, and debian is discussing how to hide it better
[01:22] <goldfish> krusbjorn: you could do , echo "blah" >>file
[01:22] <goldfish> *>> file
[01:22] <] BreliC[> nickrud, ok, thanks for the info
[01:22] <krusbjorn> goldfish: thanks :)
[01:23] <goldfish> np
[01:23] <Moe|Joe> ooo thts a point...anyone recommend a good distro for a webserver?
[01:23] <goldfish> netbsd
[01:23] <goldfish> :)
[01:23] <Moe|Joe> easy to use?
[01:23] <goldfish> mmmm
[01:23] <goldfish> Ubuntu ? :)
[01:23] <sageek> i was wondering like 10 hours ago if i should go with ubuntu, like its new to me and so
[01:23] <pixil9> Moe|Joe: freebsd is easy. grab the mini install
[01:23] <sageek> now i'm sure, its freaking good ;p
[01:23] <Moe|Joe> lol
[01:23] <Moe|Joe> okie
[01:27] <riji> how to use "mount" to mount a ntfs partiTon?
[01:27] <psoleko> Does anyone know of any hardware monitoring software for an nforce3
[01:27] <MidnightDevil> mount -t ntfs ?
[01:27] <] BreliC[> riji, mount -t ntfs
[01:27] <pixil9> riji: which hard drive is it on?
[01:27] <riji> hdb
[01:27] <] BreliC[> mount /dev/hdxY /place/to/mount -t ntfs
[01:30] <RustyShackleford> Can somebody help me with #5?  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SetupNdiswrapperHowto/view?searchterm=ndis
[01:30] <riji> it says "the mountpoint /media/windisk doesn't exist"
[01:31] <pixil9> http://images.koffer.ee/uploads/a799142535.png
[01:31] <pixil9> that's sweet instead of the little footprint
[01:31] <nickrud> riji, you need to mkdir /media/windisk first.
[01:31] <riji> gahh
[01:31] <riji> thx
[01:31] <nickrud> riji, don't you love those blind spots :)
[01:32] <riji> grr :)
[01:33] <riji> hmm iss there a way too ad apps to the "gimp-start_menu"?
[01:33] <scott> pixil9: is that your screenshot?
[01:35] <pixil9> no
[01:35] <pixil9> i just grabbed the pngs for that tho
[01:35] <snatch> is the root password set on installation?
[01:35] <nickrud> snatch, no root password :)
[01:35] <scott> pixil9: do you know how to change the gnome-panel icon like that?
[01:35] <snatch> oh ;)
[01:36] <cyphase> you can set it though
[01:36] <nickrud> use sudo or sudo -s
[01:36] <snatch> su doesnt work huh?
[01:36] <nickrud> you'll get used to it
[01:36] <snatch> crazy
[01:36] <pixil9> scott: sec
[01:36] <djones> snatch: the password is the same as the first user you set up
[01:36] <jreuter> Does anyone know of a good mp3 player?  I've installed XMMS from the package manager but it hangs.  Installed Zinf from command line, but can't figure out how to start it... any help would be great!
[01:37] <snatch> not working djones
[01:37] <sageek> hrm for some reason when i try to run evolution it doesn't run, and on console when i type evolution it says es menu class init
[01:37] <sageek> and nothing occurs
[01:37] <scott> jreuter: I like totem, rhythmbox and muine
[01:37] <jreuter> totem isn't working either
[01:37] <jreuter> I'll try rhythmbox ...
[01:37] <cyphase> jreuter: whats the problem?
[01:37] <snatch> no pw doesnt work either, i cant login as root at the login screen
[01:37] <jreuter> not sure
[01:37] <cyphase> jreuter: with totem
[01:38] <jreuter> ah ... it gives me an error like it can't read the file
[01:38] <nickrud> snatch, you cannot use root account with a standard install
[01:38] <Seibol> anyone know of a good pdf password craker for linux out there?
[01:38] <jreuter> does the same with avi
[01:38] <Seibol> I just need read-only access to the file
[01:38] <cyphase> jreuter: try installing the appropriate gstreamer plugins
[01:38] <djones> snatch, su with your primary user pass
[01:38] <jreuter> ok.
[01:39] <djones> snatch, once su you can create a password for root with 'passwd root'
[01:39] <snatch> okay
[01:39] <snatch> let me try that
[01:39] <snatch> thanks djones
[01:40] <djones> snatch: :)
[01:40] <riji> djones: what? i can't login with mi pw as su :S
[01:40] <riji> mi=my :S
[01:40] <djones> yeah, its weird, I'm not sure why they did it this way
[01:41] <djones> once you create a root password you can login as root, but su doesn't work very well from multipule accounts
[01:41] <riji> have tried all pwds i had
[01:41] <nickrud> riji, try sudo passwd root
[01:41] <Twiggy> Anybody know the cdrecord command to burn a .bin and .cue as a full cd?
[01:42] <PacoBCN> Twiggy, didn't even know .bin and .cue were supported by cdrecord :S
[01:42] <thierry_> Twiggy, I'm searching it too, since gnomebaker doesn't support .bin and .cue
[01:42] <cafuego> PacoBCN: Theyre not, really. You use cdrdao for them.
[01:42] <GuruFF> lo, quick question i have upgraded to Hoary, question i have ubuntu-desktop package not installed (just realized) what is that package, description is not descriptive????????
[01:42] <PacoBCN> ou can also use bchunk to convert bin/cue CD-images to iso...
[01:43] <PacoBCN> from google
[01:43] <cafuego> PacoBCN: Yes, but that is not bin/cue support in cdrecord
[01:43] <thierry_> Twiggy, I know k3b can also do it but I don't know how to install it on ubuntu
[01:43] <Twiggy> PacoBCN:  I did it once, it's was frieken huge but it works
[01:43] <nickrud> GuruFF, ubuntu desktop is the selection of packages the ubuntu developers think you need.
[01:43] <PacoBCN> cafuego, I know, that's what I say
[01:44] <hyphenated> what the... some evolution setup screen just came up for no decent reasin, trying to email 'dotslash at snosoft.com'
[01:44] <jreuter> cyphase:  I installed all the gstreamer plugins ... it still says there were no decoders found
[01:45] <elderic> hi there :)
[01:45] <nickrud> jreuter, do you have universe enabled in your repositories?
[01:45] <jreuter> umm ... not sure... let me check
[01:45] <elderic> does anyone have problems with memory recognition on hoary 5.04? kernel is 2.6.10
[01:45] <GuruFF> nickrud; yeah, but what does it do ?? ubuntu-desktop and ubuntu-live ????
[01:45] <elderic> I got 1.5 gb ram, but it only recognizes about 1
[01:46] <elderic> and lists about 400 mb as inactive
[01:46] <elderic> could someone explain to me what that means?
[01:46] <nickrud> ubuntu-desktop is a 'meta-package', it just depends on other packages.
[01:46] <nickrud> install it, and it installs all the packages it depends on.
[01:46] <Moe|Joe> im guess tht rpm's dont work on ubuntu then
[01:46] <nickrud> if you want, you can remove it as soon as the install's done.
[01:47] <jreuter> nickrud: Where would I see that... I'm in repositories, but I don't see anything that says universe... not in setting either
[01:47] <amonkey> how can i alt-tab out of games like ut2004 too change the song on xmms or the like?
[01:49] <nickrud> jreuter, hit the add button, then check Community supported (universe)
[01:49] <] BreliC[> ablyss, nice :)
[01:49] <FR500> hello
[01:49] <cartel_> hey all
[01:49] <jreuter> ok
[01:50] <cartel_> does ubuntu have issues reading joliet/rockridge?
[01:50] <synic> anyone using ndiswrapper on hoary?
[01:50] <ablyss> thanks :)
[01:50] <cartel_> is it not included?
[01:50] <synic> I keep getting "operation not permitted" when I modprobe ndiswrapper
[01:50] <nickrud> jreuter, now you'll some gstreamer plugins.
[01:50] <nickrud> uninstalled ones :)
[01:51] <FR500> is there a way to use load balancing in two internet links i have?cd vmware-distrib/
[01:51] <FR500> is there a way to use load balancing in two internet links i have?
[01:52] <Moe|Joe> (ablyss): u got mIRC running on ubuntu?
[01:54] <beh> how can i make xterm transparent
[01:54] <FR500> beh, settings--preferences--text box
[01:54] <jordanau> go to profiles
[01:55] <FR500> beh, transparent background
[01:55] <beh> FR500 im talking about xterm not gnomes terminal
[01:55] <FR500> ohhh
[01:55] <FR500> ok
[01:55] <FR500> sorry
[01:56] <beh> np
[01:56] <beh> ive done before can't remember now
[01:57] <Seibol> anyone know of a pdf password bypasser/cracker for linux
[01:57] <nickrud> beh, are you sure it was xterm, and not eterm or aterm?
[01:57] <] BreliC[> does anyone know how to tell the 'sox' program to use my lame encoder?
[01:58] <sig> man xterm
[01:58] <sig> it is in the man page
[01:58] <] BreliC[> i'm trying to convert my recorded guitar jams from .wav to .mp3 using lame encoder (which I have installed) using sox
[01:58] <beh> nickrud i know it wasnt eterm
[01:58] <newbie_> hey guys, how come when i kill a process with xkill, i cant not open the program again, untill i restart
[01:58] <beh> maybe aterm
[01:58] <beh> for some reason i remember doing it on both
[01:58] <] BreliC[> it works fine in converting to .ogg without specifying the location of ogg encoder.. anyone have a clue?
[01:59] <nickrud> beh, sig says it's in the man page, but searching for trans finds nothing :)
[02:00] <beh> newbie_ try killall -9 programname
[02:00] <slappy16> nickrud: whats the question?
[02:00] <sig> google it
[02:00] <nickrud> slappy16, making an xterm transparent
[02:00] <slappy16> ohh..its in the man.. :)
[02:01] <mikeco> isn't it -t
[02:01] <MidnightDevil> heya
[02:01] <MidnightDevil> a basic question
[02:01] <slappy16> you're right
[02:01] <MidnightDevil> how do i burn a bin file to a cd?
[02:01] <MidnightDevil> using command line?
[02:01] <slappy16> wtf..aterm and Eterm had it in man
[02:01] <sig> type this in a terminal beh xterm -transparency 200
[02:02] <beh> sig i tried
[02:02] <beh> sig you got that from google lol
[02:02] <beh> sig transparency isnt a valid option
[02:02] <slappy16> no kid
[02:03] <R0bNyc> Hello, anyone can provide me the 2.10 aloth repository sources.list
[02:03] <sig> beh: yeah just reading that xterm has nothing for transparency
[02:03] <slappy16> aterm, or Eterm
[02:03] <slappy16> they do it..and its in man!
[02:04] <mikeco> you could use composite extension to make it transparent
[02:04] <nickrud> thought I was loosing my mind :)
[02:04] <] BreliC[> MidnightDevil, do a 'man cdrdao'
[02:04] <beh> ill get aterm
[02:04] <mikeco> that way it would be real trans
[02:04] <Moe|Joe> im havin a problem installing ndiswrapper
[02:04] <fgx> hello, im experiencing some problems with firefox 1.0.2 in hoary.
[02:05] <fgx> is a log for firefox available?
[02:05] <GUISlave> Hey Tony.  :)
[02:05] <Moe|Joe> "/bin/sh: line 1:fakeroot: command not found"
[02:05] <Andril> hell all again
[02:05] <Seibol> only need read-only access to the pdf
[02:05] <Andril> helo*
[02:05] <Andril> damn *hello
[02:05] <nickrud> Moe|Joe, apt-get install fakeroot
[02:05] <Moe|Joe> k
[02:05] <Seibol> SLAPPY!
[02:06] <fgx> firefox seems to crash/freeze when loading sites with flash contents
[02:06] <Andril> I am having booting back into my ubuntu drive after changing the cdrom - is this something familiar?
[02:06] <maddler> fgx... on a 64bit processor?
[02:06] <] BreliC[> fgx it's probably because you don't have flash installed.. or do you?
[02:06] <delltony> where can one get mplayer now or is it long gone? i added the old repositories and did a apt-update and see mplayer-368 and all in the list however when i try to install i get the good ol dependency errors like folks have reported on the forums however i don't know how to get around them. or is mplayer dead?
[02:06] <Moe|Joe> (nickrud): it aint working..
[02:06] <fgx> maddler, ] BreliC[ flash is installed and it is on 32bit cpu
[02:07] <maddler> fgx... did u used the deb package? or download from macromedia?
[02:07] <Moe|Joe> "E: Couldn't find package linux-headers-uname -r'
[02:07] <bob2> delltony: get rid of your marillat source, it's in multiverse
[02:07] <bob2> Moe|Joe: yes, you spelt it wrong
[02:07] <delltony> aww ok
[02:07] <Moe|Joe> ?
[02:08] <Moe|Joe> where to?
[02:08] <Moe|Joe> lol
[02:08] <delltony> didn't realize it was in there now thanks
[02:08] <bob2> Moe|Joe: sudo apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`
[02:08] <LinuxJones> Moe|Joe, linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[02:08] <darkaudit> delltony: I built my own .deb from the original source pkg... the developers suggest one builds their own...
[02:08] <Andril> I am really loving Hoary - but I am having issues with booting into my drive - I get "Error2" - any help?
[02:08] <fgx> maddler, mmm i use same flash plugin i used with previous firefox in warty. i installed it from macromedia
[02:08] <bob2> the developers are on crack, though
[02:09] <bob2> best to ignore them when they say things like that
[02:09] <maddler> fgx... dunno then...
[02:09] <sig> fgx: get the flash plugin from ubuntuguide.org
[02:09] <darkaudit> delltony: http://www.princessleia.com/MPlayer.html
[02:09] <delltony> thanks
[02:10] <mikeco> beh, http://alexis.myphotos.cc/trans-e16.png
[02:10] <mikeco> gah
[02:10] <darkaudit> not all those switches are necessary, or will even work these days, though...
[02:10] <Moe|Joe> so wot do i type then to this then?
[02:10] <Timbo> http://www.imagine-msn.com/Spaces/Default.aspx <--- worrying?
[02:10] <Andril> has anyone used teh PPC version on the g3 ibook yet?
[02:11] <Moe|Joe> dont worry
[02:11] <Moe|Joe> working now
[02:11] <Moe|Joe> :)
[02:11] <jreuter> I've downloaded several plugins and players for mp3s but I'm not getting "could not open resource for writing"  ... ?
[02:11] <jreuter> *now
[02:11] <nickrud> jreuter, gstreamer0.8-mad
[02:11] <slappy16> SEIBOL!
[02:11] <darkaudit> delltony: the main thing you need off that page is the list of packages to install... there are Debian instructions included with the source
[02:12] <doubleplus> Would the K7 kernel or the 386 be better for a K8 system?
[02:12] <imperfect-> Anyone know the process by whcih I can find out what kind of sound card I have on this board?
[02:12] <imperfect-> It's built in.
[02:12] <bob2> doubleplus: the k8 one would be best
[02:12] <jreuter> nickrud:  That one is installed
[02:12] <b2s> doubleplus: I'm using the k8 kernel :P
[02:12] <doubleplus> bob2, I don't see a k8 package, and I'd like to stay away from custom kernels
[02:12] <nickrud> jreuter, and rhythmbox won't play mp3s?
[02:13] <Timbo> gstreamer0.8-mad
[02:13] <doubleplus> imperfect-, do you know what motherboard you have?
[02:13] <mikeco> get all of gstreamer
[02:13] <bob2> doubleplus: you're not using the amd64 port of ubuntu?
[02:13] <jreuter> I think rhythmbox is the only one I haven't tried... let me check
[02:13] <doubleplus> bob2, no sir
[02:13] <mikeco> it's a small package anyway
[02:13] <imperfect-> doubleplus: LGA775 Intel of some description... lemme see if I Cna find the box
[02:13] <Timbo> jreuter: and you restarted rhythmbox after installing gstreamer0.8-mad?
[02:14] <doubleplus> bob2, I want wine, and I was pretty sure that doesn't work with 64-bit kernels yet
[02:14] <RustyShackleford> Can somebody help me with #1 in the installing windows driver part?  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SetupNdiswrapperHowto/view?searchterm=ndis
[02:14] <jreuter> hmmm ... I'm using KDE, does rhythmbox work in KDE?
[02:14] <b2s> doubleplus: you could run a 64bit base OS with a 32bit chroot...
[02:14] <jreuter> it doesn't show up in my list of apps
[02:14] <nickrud> doh!
[02:14] <imperfect-> doubleplus : Yeah, Intel D915GAG -- all it says is "Intel High Definition Audio"
[02:14] <doubleplus> b2s, I have no idea what that means :)
[02:15] <nickrud> jreuter, ask on #kubuntu :)
[02:15] <jreuter> ah... ok
[02:15] <imperfect-> 0403: Intel Corp. 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 03)
[02:15] <fazer> Hi, can someone point me to an article/howto/tutoitral that makes Linux faster .  had to do with the HD something, forgot the command.
[02:15] <imperfect-> That's what lspci says
[02:15] <imperfect-> fazer: prolly hdparam
[02:15] <doubleplus> imperfect-, Realtek ALC860
[02:15] <fgx> sig, ok done. hope it will work smoothly. is there a log file available for firefox?
[02:15] <mikeco> yeah, turn on dma i'm guessing
[02:16] <doubleplus> imperfect-, I'd think the generic oboard audio driver would be fine. what's the problem?
[02:16] <fazer> imperfect-: ah, there we go!  Have you used it?
[02:16] <b2s> doubleplus: :) it means you'd install a full copy of the 64bit os as your main OS, and then only the things that require 32bit in a seperate area.  the k8 CPU can run both at the same time, you just need to have it seperated for the libraries
[02:16] <mikeco> hdparm -d 1 /dev/hdx or whatnot
[02:16] <doubleplus> b2s, would the only advantage be improved performance?
[02:16] <pixil9> How can i make my user be abe to access a mounted ntfs partition
[02:16] <imperfect-> doubleplus : It doesn't work at all ;)
[02:17] <imperfect-> doubleplus : isn't detected etc.
[02:17] <imperfect-> fazer: yeah, you prolly just wanna turn in DMA and stuff
[02:18] <LinuxJones> pixil9, that info is here >> www.ubuntuguide.org
[02:18] <b2s> doubleplus: yeah basically.  I'm trying to think of something else good, but I can't. :)
[02:19] <doubleplus> b2s, lol. I think I'll just stick with 32-bit for now
[02:19] <b2s> pixil9: need to adjust mount options probably.  you mean read-only right?
[02:19] <imperfect-> hrm.
[02:19] <imperfect-> Is there a sound configuration utility that ships w/ hoary?
[02:19] <doubleplus> so out of k7, 386, and 586 architectures, which do you think would perform best for my k8?
[02:19] <b2s> doubleplus: I stayed 32bit until hoary, but since it finally supports all my hardware I decided to at least try 64bit.
[02:20] <imperfect-> doubleplus : the amd optimizations will probably be the closest.
[02:20] <fazer> imperfect-: try 'alsamixer'
[02:20] <imperfect-> fazer: that's only going to work if I have a sound card that's working ;)
[02:20] <b2s> doubleplus: I'd think probably 686 or k7 would be the best bet. k8 has more features than k7, so 686 might be better...
[02:20] <doubleplus> b2s, yeah I tried the 64bit Fedora Core 3 last year, and it was hell, so I figured I'd stay with 32-bit for a while and avoid a few headaches
[02:20] <fazer> imperfect-: 0h, are you on  a laptop?
[02:21] <doubleplus> thanks for the advice, guys
[02:21] <busfahrer> doubleplus: If you want to optimise an application for K8 but 32 bits, you can use -march=athlon-xp -msse2
[02:21] <imperfect-> fazer: nope, desktop
[02:21] <fazer> imperfect-: hmm, ah, i see
[02:21] <doubleplus> busfahrer, are those boot parameters?
[02:22] <fazer> imperfect-: ah, i see.
[02:22] <fazer> imperfect-: i went through hell to configure *my* couns card, it was on a laptopp
[02:22] <busfahrer> doubleplus: Nevermind, I think I misunderstood.
[02:23] <fazer> bah, i don't know why I wrote *my* ..
[02:23] <imperfect-> fazer: is there a utility?
[02:23] <imperfect-> fazer: it doesn't even seem to scan for it.
[02:23] <doubleplus> imperfect-, I used xmms to detect my sound cards, lol
[02:24] <fazer> imperfect-: oh, damn, it doesn't pick up on lspci?
[02:24] <imperfect-> doubleplus:hehe
[02:24] <imperfect-> fazer: it's there
[02:24] <fazer> imperfect-: hmm, can't help you there sadly, mine showed in lspci but still needed much configing.
[02:24] <imperfect-> fazer: But I have no sound ;)
[02:24] <imperfect-> And I dont know what chipset it is
[02:24] <imperfect-> so I can't even try to insert modules
[02:24] <imperfect-> ;)
[02:25] <dockane> hi all ... i ve got a question to xpdf / acroreader: i created with OOo under window$ a 2 coloumn page. i managed to print this page to din a4 with the the function "export to pdf.." and then printed it from acrobat reader "no page allignment". that gave a fine result: both coloumns did not get cut at their side or anything else funky. now i would like to repeat that with ubuntu but both xpdf and acroreader print funky pages i.e. the 2nd colo
[02:25] <dockane> umn gets at the right by 2 cm. i got a workaround in window$, no i am looking for one in ubuntu
[02:25] <fazer> imperfect-: what is the name of the scound card that lspci shows?
[02:25] <dockane> *gets cut
[02:26] <imperfect-> fazer: 0403: Intel Corp. 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 03)
[02:27] <mikeco> how different is breezy from hoary?
[02:27] <nickrud> mikeco, broken vs working :)
[02:27] <mikeco> well, yes, but i  mean libs
[02:28] <mikeco> libs, drivers
[02:28] <pune> hey I've just downloaded a .bin file and ubuntu gives me an error that says it's unrecognized? Does anyone know how it can be recognized
[02:28] <b2s> has anyone played with Xen on Ubunutu?
[02:28] <fazer> imperfect-: are you on gnome? Do you see a volume controler on the taskbar?
[02:28] <fazer> pune: are you launching it from the command line?
[02:28] <Moe|Joe|L> hi
[02:28] <Moe|Joe|L> tis moejoe here
[02:28] <Moe|Joe|L> i got an error
[02:28] <nickrud> mikeco, not much yet, they're still syncing with debian.
[02:28] <imperfect-> fazer: nope.. no sound
[02:28] <Moe|Joe|L> root@Jon-Lap:/usr/src # dpkg -i --force-overwrite ndiswrapper-modules-2.6.10-5-686_1.1-1_i386.deb
[02:28] <Moe|Joe|L> dpkg: error processing ndiswrapper-modules-2.6.10-5-686_1.1-1_i386.deb (--install):
[02:28] <Moe|Joe|L>  cannot access archive: No such file or directory
[02:28] <Moe|Joe|L> Errors were encountered while processing:
[02:28] <Moe|Joe|L>  ndiswrapper-modules-2.6.10-5-686_1.1-1_i386.deb
[02:28] <pune> fazer, no, just from the desktop where it was downloaded to
[02:28] <Moe|Joe|L> i get tht error wen i type this command
[02:29] <Moe|Joe|L> dpkg -i --force-overwrite ndiswrapper-modules-2.6.10-5-686_1.1-1_i386.deb
[02:29] <fazer> pune: launch it from the command line
[02:29] <Moe|Joe|L> can anyone help me
[02:29] <Moe|Joe|L> ?
[02:29] <fazer> pune: make sure its chmodded properly and type ./file_name.bin
[02:29] <chrisg_> how do i configure bittorrent setup?
[02:30] <nickrud> Moe|Joe|L, sounds like the deb is not in the directory you're working in.
[02:30] <Moe|Joe|L> hmm
[02:30] <pune> fazer, how do you chmodd it?
[02:30] <slappy16> chmox +x filename
[02:30] <slappy16> chmod
[02:31] <iNdRo> hi
[02:31] <iNdRo> how i can display a line from a text file?
[02:31] <pune> ok
[02:31] <iNdRo> in shell
[02:31] <Moe|Joe|L> ooo it done now
[02:31] <iNdRo> anyone know that?
[02:31] <slappy16> display a line?
[02:31] <slappy16> one line? many?
[02:31] <bpuccio> iNdRo: cat file.txt | grep <word found in the line>
[02:31] <iNdRo> yes
[02:31] <iNdRo> one line
[02:31] <iNdRo> i dont want search the file
[02:31] <iNdRo> i want display one line
[02:32] <slappy16> do you want to grep?
[02:32] <nickrud> grep <some string in the line> file
[02:32] <slappy16> which line?
[02:32] <tbird> cat /some/file |grep <whatever>
[02:32] <slappy16> a random line?
[02:32] <chrisg_> anyone know how to configure gnome-btdownload ports ?
[02:32] <iNdRo> to example: line 3
[02:32] <iNdRo> from file blah.txt
[02:32] <slappy16> damn,...why do i know this
[02:32] <Moe|Joe|L> wot windows driver do i need to use for my wifi adapter
[02:32] <nickrud> slappy16, nurd
[02:32] <slappy16> do you want to vi it? or you want line three for sure
[02:33] <iNdRo> i want display it in shell
[02:33] <slappy16> a nurd?
[02:33] <iNdRo> like cat but there i cannot show only one line
[02:33] <cyphase> i just tried to remove the laptop-detect package in 5.04, and it removed all kinds of other packages. anyone know why it does this?
[02:33] <nickrud> slappy16, nerd in disguise :)
[02:33] <chrisg_> i think you can do that using vim ex mode
[02:33] <iNdRo> how i can do that?
[02:33] <copilot> My monitor was recognized in warty, but not in hoary. I can't use any resolutions about 1024x768 even though my monitor and video card support much higher resolutions.
[02:33] <copilot> about=above
[02:34] <copilot> any ideas?
[02:34] <iNdRo> chrisg_ i want display it on the shell
[02:34] <iNdRo> not in a tool
[02:34] <slappy16> IndRo: head -3 <filename> | tail -1
[02:34] <iNdRo> i want read out a line
[02:34] <nickrud> copilot, just exactly what monitor do you have
[02:34] <iNdRo> for a kommander script
[02:34] <slappy16> IndRo: head -3 <filename> | tail -1
[02:34] <copilot> Samsung SyncMaster 955df
[02:34] <iNdRo> yes thats it, thx slappy:)
[02:35] <nickrud> google for it, along with horizontal refresh
[02:35] <slappy16> np
[02:35] <nickrud> the monitor, that is
[02:36] <copilot> I have the horiz and vert rates set correctly, but the highest resolution I can get out of it is 1024x768.
[02:37] <Moe|Joe|L> argh i got a problem installing a windows driver
[02:37] <nickrud> copilot, take a look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log. It will have some lines like 'Default mode', see what it says.
[02:37] <Moe|Joe|L> root@Jon-Lap:~ # ndiswrapper -i ~/windows_drivers/NETCG54L.INF
[02:37] <Moe|Joe|L> netcg54l is already installed. Use -e to remove it
[02:37] <Moe|Joe|L> root@Jon-Lap:~ # modprobe ndiswrapper
[02:37] <Moe|Joe|L> FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-386/kernal/drivers/net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko): Operation not permitted
[02:37] <Moe|Joe|L> root@Jon-Lap:~ #
[02:38] <bob2> use sudo
[02:38] <nickrud> Moe|Joe|L, sudo modprobe
[02:38] <iNdRo> slappy16: do you know how i save the output in a variable?
[02:38] <bob2> not sure why you created a root account at all
[02:38] <slappy16> uh..  you cant pipe it into a var?
[02:38] <Raven_> kde is putting a message at the top left. It says things every time I activate a window. I want to get rid of it. Maybe a debugging tool I turned on by mistake.
[02:38] <Raven_> Please help! It is driving me crazy!
[02:38] <Raven_> "The KDE Windows Manager moveend", in one example
[02:38] <iNdRo> test=head -$count test.txt | tail -1
[02:38] <iNdRo> -bash: -3: command not found
[02:38] <Raven_> "The KDE Windows Manager movestart", is a second example
[02:38] <iNdRo> slappy16: not possible?!
[02:39] <bob2> iNdRo: why did you start it with a '-'?
[02:39] <bean> ican't install mplayer
[02:39] <bob2> Raven_: #kubuntu
[02:39] <pune> Raven_, what are you trying to get to work?
[02:39] <slappy16> export VAR= `head -3 file | tail -1`
[02:39] <slappy16> if its bash
[02:39] <iNdRo> bob2 in $count is a number
[02:39] <bob2> bean: remove the marillat lines from your sources.list
[02:39] <iNdRo> its bash, thanks:)
[02:39] <bean> i am new to linux...used windows
[02:39] <bob2> iNdRo: indeed, but then your command is invalid
[02:39] <slappy16> ya, exports your dood
[02:39] <bob2> iNdRo: do what slappy16 said
[02:39] <amonkey> lol, new to linux, only have used bsd
[02:40] <slappy16> so what if bsd is mature +30 years!
[02:40] <amonkey> seriously, what else would you be uncomfortable coming from
[02:40] <Raven_> I have tryed kunbuntu but no help non on kde ether.
[02:40] <Moe|Joe|L> nickrud, same error :(
[02:40] <slappy16> minux
[02:40] <slappy16> plan 9
[02:40] <slappy16> pesos
[02:40] <slappy16> vax
[02:40] <Raven_> I just want that little window to stop popping up each time I use a window.
[02:40] <slappy16> anyone...anyone?
[02:40] <bean> hmmmm.... you would have to tell me this stuff like to a retard
[02:41] <slappy16> thats no P.C.
[02:41] <bean> i tried changing the line in terminal
[02:41] <nickrud> Moe|Joe|L, that's what I
[02:41] <nickrud> do
[02:41] <bean> nothing happened
[02:42] <Raven_> the little window seems to say what C++ call is being used
[02:42] <] BreliC[> hmm, anyone know offhand how to truncate the file extension in a bash file conversion script?
[02:42] <slappy16> basename?
[02:42] <slappy16> basename
[02:42] <Raven_> for example if I move the firefox window is says movestart and then moveend
[02:43] <hyphenated> ] BreliC[: ${variable%.ext}
[02:43] <] BreliC[> i basically have 'for i in $(ls); do sox $i $i.ogg; done'
[02:43] <] BreliC[> hyphenated, ok, so the % will truncate the extension?
[02:43] <fazer> pune: did it work now?
[02:43] <narg_> Hrm, does cron work for most peaple (when sudoing/root), or is it just me that it gives uid errors to?
[02:43] <hyphenated> ] BreliC[: uh.. no. you have to say what the extension is
[02:43] <Raven_> any ideas anyone?
[02:43] <hyphenated> ] BreliC[: it's not magic, y'know :-)
[02:44] <slappy16> cron works well
[02:44] <slappy16> yep
[02:44] <] BreliC[> hyphenated, heh
[02:44] <narg_> hrm...
[02:44] <narg_> I assumed it was messed because of sudo scheme.
[02:44] <slappy16> BreliC: i think you want to basename so you dont end up with file.wav.ogg or file.mp3.ogg
[02:44] <narg_> hrm, Ill create the root account and see if it it works. I like root more than sudo anyways...
[02:44] <hyphenated> ] BreliC[: eg: if they are .mp3 files, you'd do ${i%.mp3}.ogg to change the name from file.mp3 to file.ogg
[02:45] <slappy16> ohh, good one hyphenated
[02:45] <copilot> I must be dyslexic, inverted the sizes.. I was trying to get 1024x1280 to work instead of 1280x1024
[02:45] <] BreliC[> hyphenated, hmm, i think i didn't describe my problem correctly.  slappy16 described my problem
[02:46] <] BreliC[> it converts from .wav to .ogg but makes it file.wav.ogg
[02:46] <slappy16> ya, you need basename
[02:46] <pune> fazer, yeah, thanks alot
[02:47] <] BreliC[> slappy16, how do i use basename?  is that a command?
[02:47] <hyphenated> basename won't help
[02:47] <slappy16> eh ? why not?
[02:47] <slappy16> basename strips suffixes
[02:47] <slappy16> why wont it work?
[02:47] <hyphenated> well, you have to specify the suffix
[02:47] <slappy16> or i in *.mp3.mp3 ; do n=`basename "$i" .mp3.mp3` mv "$i" "$n".mp3 done
[02:48] <slappy16> thats a cut'n'paste
[02:48] <nickrud> `basename $file .prn`.jpg
[02:49] <] BreliC[> nickrud, but i would have to strip the suffix before the sox conversion, no?
[02:49] <slappy16> for file in *.mp3; do sox $file `basename $file .mp3`.ogg; done;
[02:49] <nickrud> see slappy
[02:49] <] BreliC[> slappy16, thanks.  i'll try that
[02:50] <slappy16> ya..i hate waves...i had to use it for that, once
[02:50] <slappy16> i need to buff up on my commandline
[02:50] <] BreliC[> slappy16, what's worse is that the .wav that my mp3 player saves too is a weird format
[02:50] <slappy16> what are you using? grip?
[02:50] <smo> bash's inbuilt can sometimes look so much tidier.  "${file/mp3/ogg}"  does the same trick
[02:51] <slappy16> nice, smo!
[02:51] <usual> what would I change hoary to in sources.list to use the current unstable branch
[02:51] <Burgundavia_> usual, breezy
[02:51] <usual> k
[02:51] <slappy16> hey smo, whats the syntax for inline?
[02:51] <Burgundavia_> usual, but not recommended
[02:52] <StRgt> hi all
[02:52] <chillywilly> is it safe to run breezy?
[02:52] <StRgt> how do I install java in ubuntu?
[02:52] <usual> Burgundavia_, is it currently borked?
[02:52] <dockane> i am getting annoyed by this stuff: i am really sorry that the page i created with OOo was not standard DIN A4 but with the "workaround"  for printing through pdf export and acrobat reader it worked fine with window$. here with ubuntu the same way does not work: printing with OOo, xdpf and acroreader gives funky pages. maybe thats because i installed my kyocera as a postscript printer, i dont know
[02:52] <chillywilly> cause I was told they would be breakin things with a sync to debian sid
[02:52] <Burgundavia_> usual, mostly just a sync from debian sid at this point
[02:52] <usual> ahh
[02:52] <usual> i'll hold off
[02:52] <fazer> has anyone here used hdparm ?
[02:52] <usual> thanks
[02:52] <slappy16> slightly
[02:53] <usual> I found my dvd's play choppy unless I set hdparm -d 1
[02:53] <chillywilly> fazer: sure
[02:53] <chillywilly> usual: yea you usually have to turn DMA on
[02:53] <fazer> chillywilly: is it any good?
[02:53] <chillywilly> huh?
[02:53] <chillywilly> it's a tool for tweak HD and DVD player performance
[02:53] <RustyShackleford> How do I extract a tar to home?
[02:53] <chillywilly> tweaking
[02:54] <chillywilly> tweaking all IDE drives and maybe some others...
[02:54] <slappy16> depends on how it was tar'd rusty
[02:54] <] BreliC[> RustyShackleford, from your home directory, usually 'tar zxvf tarfilename.tar.gz'
[02:54] <slappy16> you can use -P to strip the absolute path
[02:54] <mkedwards> The aacraid driver is not on the hoary amd64 install CD.  Is there a quick-and-easy remedy for this (boot install CD with "expert" mode, apt-get install linux-2.6.11.x-amd64-with-aacraid, modprobe aacraid, etc.) or will I need to roll a new install CD to get to root-on-hardware-RAID?
[02:54] <RustyShackleford> Gzipped Tar
[02:55] <slappy16> do a -t to see how it will extract
[02:55] <nickrud> slappy16, -P, thanks
[02:55] <hyphenated> smo: that format will break if the file is called my_cool_mp3_file.mp3
[02:55] <slappy16> hey heyphenated, how are you invoking that?
[02:55] <slappy16> ^e^
[02:55] <hyphenated> sladen: invoking what?
[02:56] <hyphenated> oops, I meant slappy16
[02:56] <slappy16> heh.np...what are you using to reproduce what smo did?
[02:56] <RustyShackleford> I tried what Brelic said and it said no such fike
[02:56] <slappy16> make sure the file exists
[02:56] <hyphenated> slappy16: a bash shell, a variable, and the echo command
[02:56] <slappy16> lol
[02:56] <slappy16> okaaaaa
[02:56] <hyphenated> slappy16: eg: variable=something_to_test; echo ${variable/foo/bar}
[02:56] <RustyShackleford> Where do I need to put the tar file?
[02:56] <slappy16> a gun, a badge, and a ton of crooks
[02:57] <nickrud> RustyShackleford, you can keep it anywhere
[02:57] <slappy16> rusty: is it a .tar.gz or just .tar ?
[02:57] <hyphenated> slappy16: a rubber band, a paperclip and three used matches
[02:57] <slappy16> hah
[02:57] <RustyShackleford> tar.gz
[02:57] <slappy16> -ztvf?
[02:57] <] BreliC[> RustyShackleford, where is the file?
[02:57] <dockane> is there an OOo here on freenode ?
[02:57] <RustyShackleford> Its on my desktop right now.
[02:57] <dockane> *channel
[02:58] <slappy16> rusty, make sure your path is correct
[02:58] <slappy16> and you have perms
[02:58] <fazer> What does single user mode mean?
[02:58] <] BreliC[> RustyShackleford, ok so from your home directory, it would be 'tar zxvf ~/Desktop/filename.tar.gz'
[02:58] <slappy16> fazer: single user mode run level?
[02:58] <fazer> slappy16: yeah... i think
[02:59] <fazer> slappy16: I am reading this, so I was wondering: http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/lpt/a/272
[02:59] <slappy16> no networking, no X
[02:59] <thr1ce> where can I edit my gnome menu ?
[02:59] <slappy16> so you can only log in from console
[02:59] <thr1ce> i want to remove a whole catagory under applications
[02:59] <fazer> slappy16: oh, i see
[03:00] <fazer> thanks
[03:00] <nickrud> fazer, its so you have a way to boot in and fix things at the lowest leve
[03:00] <nickrud> level
[03:00] <hypno> thr1ce http://ubuntuguide.org/#menu-editor
[03:00] <fazer> nickrud: so I guess I can't follow that tutorial when I am in a GUI interfae?
[03:00] <nickrud> lol
[03:00] <slappy16> fazer: that doesnt matter...just make sure there isnt anything thrashing your disk while you run hdparm
[03:00] <fazer> slappy16: ah, okay.
[03:01] <slappy16> he wants to hdparm in single user
[03:01] <slappy16> it wont hurt
[03:01] <nickrud> yeah, I didn't look at the reference :)
[03:01] <slappy16> ;)
[03:01] <nickrud> I hdparm from the gui all the time
[03:01] <nickrud> or, have always
[03:01] <fazer> nickrud: why 'all the time'
[03:02] <hypno> aye hdparm is fine to use anytime
[03:02] <nickrud> fazer, too lazy to go to single user, and I have nothing thrashing my disk :)
[03:02] <RustyShackleford> Damn this thing still wont extract.
[03:02] <thr1ce> ok...I have an "other" sub-menu that shows is displayed under applications, but not in the menu editor
[03:02] <thr1ce> how can I rid of it
[03:03] <fazer> nickrud: ah, heh
[03:03] <nickrud> RustyShackleford, what's the error message?
[03:04] <fazer> nickrud: how safe is using hdparm?
[03:04] <thr1ce> anyone have any ideas ?
[03:04] <slappy16> lol
[03:04] <thr1ce> where I can maybe manually remove groups under applications
[03:04] <slappy16> thr1ce whish i could help
[03:04] <nickrud> fazer: all the dangerous stuff is identified in the man page
[03:04] <slappy16> icewm
[03:04] <slappy16> :)
[03:05] <revelater> how do i use a .bz2.run file?
[03:05] <slappy16> bunzip2
[03:05] <k-otik> whats the program that monitors disk space/usage on your desktop?
[03:05] <nickrud> fazer -d -m and -c are all you probably care about
[03:05] <slappy16> df
[03:05] <slappy16> gkrlm
[03:05] <k-otik> nah its not gkrellm its somethig else
[03:05] <slappy16> k-otik : df
[03:06] <slappy16> is it X based?
[03:06] <fazer> nickrud: hmm, -d -m and -c can't really mess up your hard drive then I guess?
[03:06] <revelater> says its not a bzip2 file?!?!?
[03:06] <k-otik> df slappy16? yes its x based
[03:06] <slappy16> mrtg
[03:06] <nickrud> fazer, mine still work :)
[03:06] <slappy16> :)
[03:06] <k-otik> mrtg?
[03:06] <slappy16> im kidding..uh..i dont know
[03:06] <fazer> nickrud: heh, its mainly because I am in an old laptop that I still love so taking all the precautions I can =/
[03:06] <slappy16> check freshmeat.net
[03:07] <nickrud> fazer, this is my only machine, I take verrry few chances
[03:07] <Moe|Joe> hmmm im havin problems connecting to my wireless network now :|
[03:07] <fazer> nickrud: ah okay =)
[03:07] <slappy16> whats everyones pppoe client of choice?
[03:07] <slappy16> or can anyone recommend one?
[03:09] <tcwd> Is there a firewall on ubuntu by default?
[03:10] <slappy16> iptables
[03:10] <tcwd> If so, how do I turn it off?
[03:10] <slappy16> so..back to my question..
[03:10] <nickrud> tcwd, no
[03:10] <slappy16> iptables -f
[03:10] <slappy16> really??
[03:10] <slappy16> lol
[03:10] <nickrud> running?
[03:10] <slappy16> so...no one knows a good method for pppoe?
[03:10] <thr1ce> so there is no way to manually edit the menu, other than menu editor?  this thing isn't showing up in menu editor
[03:10] <nickrud> slappy16, if you mean configuring, I've allways used pppoeconf
[03:11] <tcwd> wait... so is there? :P
[03:11] <nickrud> tcwd: do sudo iptables -L, it will tell you if any firewall rules are set
[03:12] <Moe|Joe> erm
[03:12] <slappy16> nickrud: thanks
[03:12] <fazer> nickrud: when do these changes take affect?
[03:12] <Moe|Joe> how do i stop my DNS Settings changing back to default?
[03:12] <Xore> where would i go to report a bug in nautilus?
[03:13] <nickrud> the instant you execute hdparm
[03:13] <thr1ce> can I manuallky edit my menu, if something won't show up in menu editor that I want to rid of ?
[03:13] <Xore> or to see if it's already been reported
[03:13] <nickrud> Xore, bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[03:13] <Xore> ty
[03:13] <tcwd> nickrud, Thanks... How do I turn it off?
[03:13] <nickrud> as slappy16 said, iptables -F (meaning flush)
[03:13] <seven_six_two> so I'm guessing my /var/lib/dpkg directory is supposed to contain more than an empty lock file?
[03:13] <fazer> nickrud: strange, I don't notice much =/
[03:14] <fazer> nickrud: I just did this: hdparm -c3 -m16 /dev/hda
[03:14] <slappy16> fazer: NO NOT THAT!
[03:14] <slappy16> jk.. ;)
[03:14] <fazer> slappy16: haha
[03:15] <nickrud> fazer, the recent kernels are a lot better at recognizing and optomizing disks these days, sometimes it gets it right.
[03:15] <seven_six_two> i had a system freeze, and when i rebooted, i could no longer run synaptic or apt-get
[03:15] <nickrud> hdparm was written when the kernel never turned on dma, and so on.
[03:15] <slappy16> seven_six..whats the error?
[03:15] <fazer> nickrud: oh =/
[03:16] <fazer> nickrud: thanks
[03:16] <nickrud> slappy16, you made me look :)
[03:16] <seven_six_two> fathead@ubuntu:~$ sudo apt-get install mplayer
[03:16] <seven_six_two> Reading package lists... Error!
[03:16] <seven_six_two> E: Could not open file /var/lib/dpkg/status - open (2 No such file or directory)
[03:16] <seven_six_two> E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened.
[03:16] <slappy16> i think ive hit that before
[03:17] <fazer> heh
[03:17] <fazer> after a while
[03:17] <EricNeon> morning all
[03:17] <fazer> it seems to be slower than doing anything good
[03:17] <fazer> nickrud: so I am guessing that these settings are lost after reboot?
[03:18] <seven_six_two> i cleaned out my sources.list file so only cd rom is listed, since it was giving an error related to one of my sources. now that's the only error
[03:18] <slappy16> no perms to run apt or theres another job running apt
[03:18] <slappy16> the status is locked
[03:18] <circuit_rider> make sure you do it in a root shell
[03:18] <fazer> slappy16: sudo apt-get install ...
[03:18] <nickrud> fazer, yes, you can edit /etc/default/hdparm.conf to make them applied at each boot
[03:18] <seven_six_two> nothing that i know of is running apt, and i have root perms
[03:18] <fazer> nickrud: ah, i see.
[03:18] <seven_six_two> top shows it isn't running
[03:19] <slappy16> nothing is running
[03:19] <slappy16> ?
[03:19] <slappy16> apt-get -f?
[03:19] <fazer> slappy16: apt-get install -f ?
[03:19] <housetier> it seems that /var/lib/dpkg/status is gone, which is a bad thing, do you have a /var/lib/dpkg/status.old or .backup maybe?
[03:20] <mrvain> what is the name of the config file for checking for attached devices (ie ipod via firewire) during boot?
[03:20] <lifeless> win 13
[03:20] <seven_six_two> housetier, no, i was just testing this distro so i haven't backed it up
[03:21] <housetier> seven_six_two dpkg might have created those files for you
[03:21] <seven_six_two> i get the same error for sudo apt-get install -f
[03:21] <mrc3> hi! has anybody seen a report of ubuntu freezing for 200 ms every now and then?
[03:21] <Burger_in_da_sun> hi!
[03:21] <slappy16> can you cat the status file?
[03:22] <riji> grr the ndiswrapper still doesn't want to work proporlly :(
[03:22] <Burger_in_da_sun> i installed hoary, it didnt ask me to set my root passwd!!
[03:22] <seven_six_two> the only file in the directory is named "lock" and is 0 bites
[03:23] <hypno> Burger_in_da_sun http://ubuntuguide.org/#setchangeenablerootpassword
[03:23] <mrvain> Burger_in_da_sun: use sudo.  You don't need root, but can set a password for it if you like
[03:23] <Burger_in_da_sun> hypno, i went into recovery mode and i had my root login.. but is this normal ??
[03:23] <slappy16> yo, touch your status file
[03:23] <hypno> Burger_in_da_sun yes that's normal
[03:23] <nickrud> Burger_in_da_sun, www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[03:23] <riji> Burger_in_da_sun: sudo passwd root
[03:23] <Burger_in_da_sun> hah never seen this before :)
[03:24] <helio7> is there a reason why applications disappear from the applications menu when upgrading from warty to hoary?  Is there a recommended procedure for restoring them?  Azureus isn't even showing up under whereis or which....
[03:24] <slappy16> seven_six_two: touch that /var/lib/dpkg/status  , tell me what happens
[03:25] <mrvain> anyone know how to change Ubuntu NOT to look for attached devices during startup? (it looks for my ipod)
[03:25] <seven_six_two> slappy16, ok
[03:26] <seven_six_two> nothing happens
[03:26] <slappy16> same error?
[03:26] <seven_six_two> oh no wait. a status file appeared
[03:27] <slappy16> did you touch it?
[03:27] <slappy16> can you run apt now?
[03:27] <seven_six_two> slappy16, yes i can, although i'll have to replace all of my sources. thanks muchly
[03:28] <Burger_in_da_sun> hrmm ok installed a server install of ubuntu, when i do apt-cache search it says couldnt stat source package
[03:28] <Burger_in_da_sun> the default sources are wrong ?
[03:28] <helio7> Do most people agree that Hoary is still not as bug-free as Warty was?  If so, I wonder when it will be as solid as Warty was?
[03:29] <bob_55> Does anyone have a link on how to have MP3's play?
[03:29] <seven_six_two> bob_55, in what program?
[03:29] <nickrud> bob_55, www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[03:29] <bob_55> music player
[03:30] <nickrud> whups
[03:30] <bob_55> I think that link will do thanks guys.
[03:30] <seven_six_two> bob_55, sorry i can't help. it worked for me right off
[03:30] <Burger_in_da_sun> seriously, the US mirror is broken or something?
[03:31] <seven_six_two> Burger_in_da_sun, have you tried different repositories?
[03:31] <cheryl> newbie here
[03:31] <Burger_in_da_sun> seven_six_two, no just the US one for now
[03:31] <Burger_in_da_sun> hah, now it works with the same repo
[03:31] <Burger_in_da_sun> musta been a network problem
[03:31] <cheryl> just installed 5.04 and I need to know the default root password so I can do an install
[03:32] <Burger_in_da_sun> ok what do i need to do to my sources to get xfce ?
[03:32] <helio7> anyone have Azureus running under Hoary?
[03:32] <mgalvin> cheryl: its the same as your password
[03:32] <nickrud> cheryl, take a look at www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSud
[03:32] <SysFail> i have azureus running
[03:32] <nickrud> cheryl, take a look at www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[03:32] <seven_six_two> Burger_in_da_sun, http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[03:33] <boredofthesane> I've tried to get dma to work on my dvdrw drive so I can play dvd's in totem, unfortunately when i attempt hdparm -d1 /dev/hda it fails (yes I'm in root)
[03:33] <boredofthesane> any ideas?
[03:33] <cheryl> thanks
[03:33] <GuruFF> lool; quick question which /dev is ir ? how to check it ?
[03:33] <zenrox> boredofthesane,  /dev/hda = your first hdd
[03:33] <seven_six_two> boredofthesane, what is the error when you try to play it in totem?
[03:33] <boredofthesane> zenrox: yes
[03:33] <htaccess> hi i am having lots of trouble with networking on a laptop, ifup ifdown and dhclient dont seem to work from the command line, it looks like the new network app is being too clever for me, how can i kill it altogether, is it a daemon or just the applet?
[03:34] <boredofthesane> seven_six_two: it says I need libdvdcss but its installed
[03:34] <zenrox> boredofthesane,  ant you dvdrw another /dev/hdx
[03:34] <bronson> htaccess: ifdown eth0
[03:34] <boredofthesane> zenrox: hmm?
[03:34] <bronson> htaccess: if you want to disable it permanently, turn off "auto" in /etc/network/interfaces
[03:35] <zenrox> boredofthesane,  like /dev/hda or /dev/hdb or /dev/hdc or /dev/hdd
[03:35] <pixil9> anyone here done a floppy install to debian then upgrade to hoary?
[03:35] <boredofthesane> zenrox: I know my dvd drive is /dev/hda
[03:35] <nickrud> pixil9, :)
[03:35] <zenrox> boredofthesane, ok
[03:35] <boredofthesane> zenrox: if thats what you mean
[03:35] <seven_six_two> is it in your /etc/ld.so.conf
[03:35] <htaccess> bronson: yes ifdown eth0; ifup eth0 does not work as the gnome network applett seems to be getting in the way
[03:35] <pixil9> nickrud: ya?
[03:35] <KernelPanic>  ore look at the nameserver /etc/resolf.conf
[03:35] <zenrox> boredofthesane,  ya thats what i ment
[03:35] <toresbe> Hmm, interesting
[03:35] <toresbe> Grissom of CSI's first name is "Gus", right?
[03:36] <Burger_in_da_sun> wich package should i apt-get to get all of xorg ?
[03:36] <boredofthesane> zenrox: could it have to do with having a serial ata hard drive?
[03:36] <daniels> Burger_in_da_sun: why do you want to do that?
[03:36] <nickrud> pixil9, no, I'm just laughing, it's how I did my debian sid install years ago, and boy, can I imagine the disaster
[03:36] <Burger_in_da_sun> daniels, becoz i need an x server ?
[03:36] <nickrud> Burger_in_da_sun, x-window-system
[03:36] <pixil9> well my bro is goin to australia for a year and i'm tryin to set up his p1 233 so he can use msn and firefox heh
[03:36] <Burger_in_da_sun> nickrud, thats xorg right?
[03:36] <pixil9> (laptop)
[03:37] <nickrud> Burger_in_da_sun, if you're running hoary
[03:37] <steve_> Hiya everybody...quick question regarding a riptide audio driver install
[03:37] <Burger_in_da_sun> nickrud, k thanks
[03:37] <steve_> anybody up for the task?
[03:37] <helio7> where should I look to customize the appliations menu?
[03:37] <daniels> Burger_in_da_sun: install x-window-system
[03:37] <daniels> Burger_in_da_sun: but ideally you should just install ubuntu-desktop
[03:37] <Burger_in_da_sun> daniels, i dont want gnome and all that stuff
[03:38] <mrvain> is there a way to print to pdf from applications like in OS X?
[03:38] <Burger_in_da_sun> i installed a server and i just want X + xfce on top fo that
[03:38] <nickrud> Burger_in_da_sun, shunned :)
[03:38] <steve_> Anybody at all?
[03:38] <steve_> just a question regarding modversions.h
[03:38] <Burger_in_da_sun> steve_ just ask dont ask if you can ask
[03:38] <steve_> Oh.  Good point.
[03:38] <boredofthesane> sorry to repeat me question but maybe will know what I can do to resolve my problem, I have a DVD drive that won't turn dma on via hdparm, is there a solution or perhaps my drive isn't supported?
[03:39] <boredofthesane> *someone will
[03:39] <steve_> WELL: I've installed Hoary on my parents' machine; runs great, with the exception of the Rockwell Riptide modem/soundcard
[03:39] <nickrud> boredofthesane, I've heard rumors about some dvds, try googling
[03:39] <steve_> I don't really need the modem, just the sound
[03:39] <helio7> Anyone been successful in adding an application to the application menu in Hoary??
[03:39] <chrisg_> Hey, where is the menu editor in gnome?
[03:40] <chrisg_> i can't find it anywhere
[03:40] <steve_> installed modem drivers from linuxant.com
[03:40] <boredofthesane> nickrud: i've been googling like crazy and tried many things, loading the via82cxx module instead of the generic ide-* modules, modifying /etc/hdparm.conf, etc. still no luck
[03:40] <seven_six_two> helio7, yes. you have to install menu-edit
[03:40] <steve_> and the audio, which relies on the modem, claims I don't have modversions.h
[03:40] <helio7> chrisg I know it was made more difficult, but I'm sure it must be doable... ahhh thanks seven_six_two
[03:40] <steve_> (I've installed the headers as well as the modules)
[03:40] <steve_> Where do I go from here?
[03:40] <farruinn> steve_: perhaps there are additional headers that it depends on
[03:41] <chrisg_> thaks seven..
[03:41] <seven_six_two> np
[03:41] <nickrud> boredofthesane, you're not the first here with the problem, and no ones got it working if it was a problem.
[03:41] <pixil9> Anyone know how I make it so when I link /dev/radio0 to /dev/radio it doesn't dissapear after a reboot?
[03:41] <mrvain> anyone know how to print to pdf?
[03:41] <steve_> faruinn: As in, headers outside the universe, multiverse, et al?
[03:41] <boredofthesane> nickrud: bummer, the strange thing is, is that people will say it will work in other distros, but not in hoary
[03:41] <helio7> mrvain it's an option if you print from gimp
[03:41] <seven_six_two> pixil9,  ln -s
[03:41] <nickrud> mrvain, install cups-pdf
[03:42] <helio7> where should I look for the reason that Gaim crashes without an error message?
[03:42] <farruinn> steve_: no, within the repos
[03:42] <mrvain> nickrud will that enable pdf creation from, say open office?
[03:42] <seven_six_two> helio7, perhaps run it from console
[03:42] <pixil9> seven_six_two: i did ln -s /dev/radio0 /dev/radio and then my radio card works fine but after reboot the link dissapears
[03:42] <nickrud> mrvain, open office does it natively.
[03:42] <mrvain> oh
[03:42] <mrvain> great thanks
[03:43] <seven_six_two> pixil9, strange. i had to do the same for my dvd but it stayed
[03:43] <steve_> farruinn: Whoops.  I should've checked the repos before I came here.  I just realized I don't have the multiverse enabled.
[03:43] <RexM> pixil9: i believe that's because the /dev isn't actually on the disk, and is just a thing in memory?
[03:43] <helio7> seven_six_two, I don't see menu-edit in synaptic is that what it's called?
[03:43] <steve_> farruinn: BRB
[03:43] <KernelPanic> helio7: gaim?? whit what protrocol?? icq? msn?
[03:43] <pixil9> I dunno :/
[03:43] <seven_six_two> helio7, yes, but you may need to add extra repositories.   check  www.ubuntuguide.com
[03:43] <pixil9> I'll make a script i guess
[03:44] <boredofthesane> hmm, what's the latest kernel that I can apt-get?
[03:44] <farruinn> steve_: it should be in linux-headers-(uname -r)
[03:44] <nickrud> pixil9, take a look at udev. there are ways (which I haven
[03:44] <farruinn> steve_: linux-headers-2.6.10-5 has it and is in main
[03:45] <nickrud> 't studied) for that
[03:45] <helio7> KernelPanic, I run gaim with yahoo, aim, icq, msn, and icq; most load when it crashes
[03:45] <Burger> ok, now how do i install the nvidia drivers?
[03:46] <chrisg_> helio7: http://ubuntuguide.org/#menu-editor
[03:46] <pixil9> Burger: apt-get install nvidia-glx and change your video device /etc/X11/xorg.conf from "nv" to "nvidia"
[03:46] <nickrud> Burger, ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:46] <helio7> cool chrisg_ was almost there :-)
[03:47] <Burger> pixil9, thats exactly what i did, then when i started x i got a black screen and everything hanged...
[03:47] <pixil9> o.
[03:47] <boredofthesane> root@bored:/home/boredofthesane # hdparm -d1 /dev/hda
[03:47] <boredofthesane> /dev/hda:
[03:47] <boredofthesane>  setting using_dma to 1 (on)
[03:47] <boredofthesane>  HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted
[03:47] <boredofthesane>  using_dma    =  0 (off)
[03:47] <Meastapheles> anybody install kernels?  i get "ls: 'initrd.img.old': File exists" to ln -s initrd.img-2.6.10-1.1127_FC4.dwmw2 initrd.img.old.  Can I make up a link such as 'initrd.img.FC4Alien' that'l show up on my boot loader?
[03:47] <boredofthesane> anybody? :-)
[03:48] <slappy16> uh-oh..tweedle
[03:48] <pixil9> Burger; what card?
[03:48] <daniels> Meastapheles: why do you have that link there in the first place?
[03:48] <TweedleDumb> ;)
[03:48] <Burger> pixil9, geforce2 go.. used to work fine when i compiled the driver
[03:48] <Burger> great, now when i reboot it runs X automaticly and hangs...
[03:48] <Meastapheles> just following http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?s=7412d09bbbfda6d98f5e75c57083c983&t=25264&page=3&pp=10
[03:48] <pixil9> hit ctrl-alt-f2
[03:48] <pixil9> to get to a terminal
[03:48] <helio7> cool got menu-editor working; that's a relief, I had resigned myself to uneditable menus... Does anyone know why the decision was made to make menus _less_ editable by default in Hoary?
[03:48] <pixil9> then change it back
[03:48] <Burger> pixil9, no go.. it's dead
[03:49] <pixil9> ctrl-alt-f2 doesn't work??
[03:49] <Burger> pixil9, can't get a console
[03:49] <pixil9> i dunno i've never used ubuntu til today :/
[03:49] <chase> is there a way to get ubuntu to ask me the password for my default ssh key before gnome loads up? so its always present when i try getting a terminal to ssh into my server?
[03:49] <Burger> ... this blows
[03:49] <Meastapheles> daniels: I want to be able to pick which ever kernel to boot up with
[03:49] <slappy16> chase: i usually load my eval my ssh-agent before i startx
[03:49] <slappy16> but i dont know if you can do it prior gdm
[03:50] <helio7> what's the difference between the k7 and the k7-smp kernel?
[03:50] <nickrud> Burger, try booting into single user and changing the xorg.conf back
[03:50] <Burger> i think i need to remove all that stuff from xorg.conf that's in the nvidia docs
[03:50] <chase> okay, slappy16 that sounds like what i want, how can i stop X loading from a run level?
[03:50] <farruinn> helio7: smp means symmetric multi-processing, for multiple processors
[03:50] <TweedleDumb> add it to /etc/init.d/gdm
[03:50] <steve_> farruinn: Still won't work.
[03:50] <seven_six_two> if i restore a backup of sources.list, is it necessary to run gpg --keyserver   again?
[03:50] <chase> TweedleDumb does that work?
[03:50] <slappy16> in /etc/inittab, change to a runlevel that does not use X..im not sure what that is in ubuntu
[03:51] <slappy16> Tweedle: how will he enter the passphrase?
[03:51] <steve_> farruinn: Not sure where else to go here...I've installed every header package there  (there're three for my architecture)
[03:51] <TweedleDumb> Y not, that script is what launches gdm, just load eval ssh-agent first, you know?
[03:51] <Meastapheles> I already have a 2.6.8 that I upgraded with from sarge, a 2.6.10 that was erroniously reported to wake from sleep, and now I want to try a 2.6.10 that is supposed ot be fixed
[03:51] <Meastapheles> daniels
[03:51] <TweedleDumb> oh
[03:51] <slappy16> where will you type in the password?
[03:51] <bob_55> Well I have to go thanks for the help don't have it setup and running yet but there is always tomorrow.
[03:52] <pixil9> Meastapheles, How did you get from sarge to ubuntu?
[03:52] <Meastapheles> via sid
[03:52] <kanuha> Is the XChat that comes with Ubuntu compiled with or without TCL?
[03:52] <pixil9> what is sid?
[03:52] <pixil9> I just did a floppy install of woody on my old laptop.. now i want it to goto ubuntu
[03:52] <chase> slappy16, TweedleDumb i can always try the GDM first and let you know how it works
[03:52] <james> Congrats to all Ubuntu developers and users on making a top notch distro. I'm all finished installing, now time for bed... Thanks.
[03:52] <nickrud> pixil9, ooh, you're doing it
[03:52] <Meastapheles> pixil9: you do a server upgrade and reinstall a few things, sid is debian unstable
[03:53] <pixil9> Meastapheles, Well if I changed all my sources to to hoary.. what else do i do
[03:53] <Meastapheles> james: my year old ibook doesn't wake from sleep
[03:53] <pixil9> apt-get dist-upgrade isn't working :(
[03:53] <pixil9> nickrud: ya it sucked.. and for some reason ubuntu writes my floppies at 10 kB/s instead of 30
[03:53] <Meastapheles> wat are you running?
[03:54] <pixil9> woody
[03:54] <Meastapheles> wow
[03:54] <Meastapheles> !
[03:54] <pixil9> I didn't even apt-get the base system of it
[03:54] <pixil9> i thought I could just change the sources on the floppy install
[03:54] <james> Meastapheles, alarm is set : )
[03:54] <nickrud> Meastapheles, he's trying to get from woody boot floppies to hoary
[03:54] <pixil9> maybe i should've done sarge
[03:54] <slappy16> i like sarge
[03:55] <Burger> ok...so anyone have any idea why the nvidia drivers are killing my geforce2 go ? maybe i should just compile it
[03:55] <slappy16> you cant go from deb to ubuntu....can you?
[03:55] <Meastapheles> get rid of any extra junk such as X and any gui stuff , then upgrade to sarge, then to sid then to hoary
[03:55] <slappy16> no..that doesnt make sense
[03:55] <Meastapheles> and hope for the best
[03:55] <pixil9> i have to goto sid? lol
[03:55] <inc> sup channel
[03:55] <TweedleDumb> isnt debian still way better then ubuntu?
[03:55] <Meastapheles> I did, and I got a stable system
[03:56] <steve_> No modversions.h even after headers install!
[03:56] <steve_> Anybody?  Where can I get it?
[03:56] <GUISlave> I wouldn't apt get from sarge
[03:56] <pixil9> TweedleDumb, ubuntu is just a user friendly X system on top of debian
[03:56] <GUISlave> I'd do a fresh install of hoary
[03:56] <inc> any one use the atheros wlan card?
[03:56] <slappy16> but what about packages, pix
[03:56] <TweedleDumb> then why dont they make their changees compatable with debian
[03:57] <slappy16> i think tweedle is as scared as i am about a fork
[03:57] <TweedleDumb> is there a PPC ubuntu?
[03:57] <slappy16> but they do say ubuntu has 'a lot of money' behind it
[03:57] <helio7> farruinn, that's odd, somehow when upgrading from warty>hoary I got the k7-smp kernel selected by default
[03:57] <slappy16> i know theres a 64
[03:57] <TweedleDumb> money will make anything go around
[03:57] <helio7> farruinn, and I have a standard Amd athlon single processor
[03:57] <inc> needs to make my wifi go
[03:57] <slappy16> i prolly has all the same archs as deb
[03:57] <slappy16> it
[03:58] <kanuha> Is the XChat that comes with Ubuntu compiled with or without TCL?
[03:58] <steve_> Anybody?  Know how i can get a modversions.h?
[03:58] <slappy16> dpkg -f /filename
[03:58] <Meastapheles> daniels; you still there? or you'd just tune out
[03:58] <nickrud> slappy16, TweedleDumb, the 10 or so ubuntu guys (should) know better than to not leverage the 900+ free workers in debian (to put the most mercenary light on it)
[03:58] <farruinn> helio7: odd, you might want to report, see if anyone else has seen this.  It shouldn't hurt, that kernel is just optimized for smp
[03:58] <chase> TweedleDumb, adding it to the GDM startup script didnt work, and slappy16 it looks like runlevel 2-5 are all set up the same way here so i cant just change it to not startx
[03:58] <slappy16> so what happens when sarge is released?  will there be a new ubuntu release as well?
[03:58] <pixil9> Meastapheles, Is it necessary to goto sid?
[03:58] <chase> i need to remove it from a run level
[03:59] <TweedleDumb> ok then, use rungetty
[03:59] <Rima> far out, after using fedora/redhat for years - just installed ubuntu it seems alot quicker than any distrubtion I have used before
[03:59] <Meastapheles> I was told so, and I did so without any problems
[03:59] <farruinn> steve_: I'm quite sure you have the file, gcc just doesn't see it. I don't know how to troubleshoot gcc though
[03:59] <pixil9> Can i just net install sid?
[03:59] <inc> anyone know why it would pick up my card in lspci and not lsmod?
[03:59] <nickrud> slappy16, ubuntu doesn't have to be sarge
[03:59] <Meastapheles> if you're smart you do a server upgrade and thats no time
[03:59] <slappy16> tweedle: what was that hotplug thing you did for your camera a few months ago?
[03:59] <nickrud> I hope the get it together by etch.
[03:59] <fazer> hmm
[03:59] <fazer> so, what would a void cheque look like?
[03:59] <slappy16> nickrud: gotcha
[03:59] <chase> TweedleDumb, for what? wouldnt that just start a run level for this session?
[04:00] <chase> it wouldnt stop X from starting everytime i restart
[04:00] <steve_> farruinn: Hrm.
[04:00] <steve_> farruinn: Thank you for your help.
[04:00] <TweedleDumb> i got rid of hotplug because i wanted to be able to add a label to the files comming off my camera, hotplug just transfered them without asking me anything... so i made my script into an icewm menu entry
[04:00] <pixil9> Meastapheles, So once I reach sid what are te steps?
[04:00] <pixil9> the*
[04:00] <steve_> farruinn: I'll keep searching and come back here if I can't find it.
[04:00] <farruinn> steve_: don't thank me too much, I can't say I'm helping that much :/
[04:01] <TweedleDumb> oh nm, that was a bad suggestion
[04:01] <slappy16> where did init.rc go???
[04:01] <slappy16> theres no init.rc in linux..shit
[04:01] <chase> i jsut removed it from all startip files sudo update-rc.d -f xorg-common remove
[04:02] <TweedleDumb> what about adding an xterm entry to your xterm that started the eval ssh-agent
[04:02] <slappy16> ya, that will work
[04:02] <slappy16> i have this
[04:02] <TweedleDumb> then when gdm starts a window will open and you can enter your password
[04:02] <slappy16> but he still needs to start the agent
[04:02] <Meastapheles> pixil9: http://ubuntuppc.webplazahosting.com/index.php?Sarge%20to%20Hoary
[04:02] <nickrud> chase, what your looking for is updat-rc.d gdm
[04:02] <slappy16> he needs to start the agent, then eval every xterm instance
[04:02] <TweedleDumb> xterm -e <command to start>
[04:03] <TweedleDumb> no,
[04:03] <slappy16> eval `ssh-agent -s`
[04:03] <slappy16>               host=`uname -n`
[04:03] <slappy16>                [ -f $HOME/.keychain/$host-sh ]  && \
[04:03] <slappy16>                        . $HOME/.keychain/$host-sh
[04:03] <slappy16> i use keychain
[04:03] <DanC_u> er... a day after hoary released, apt-get upgrade gave me about 100 updates. Today there are zero. Is that right?
[04:03] <Burger> why is it that when i try to apt-get remove nvidia-kernel-common it wants to remove all the modules?! and linux-386 ?
[04:04] <TweedleDumb> does gdm load ~.xsession?
[04:04] <nickrud> TweedleDumb, no
[04:04] <nickrud> or, not by default.
[04:05] <slappy16> xdm does, right?
[04:05] <Askew> is anyone else having problems getting SVG icon themes to work in hoary?
[04:05] <chase> i think ive got it sused, ive removed GDM and i just enter the key then start x. its what i used to do with gentoo so im used to that
[04:05] <pixil9> why can't they just make a friggen floppy install
[04:06] <nickrud> you can select xsession from gdm login, but I can't recall just what it called offhand
[04:06] <Burger> dis is getting frustrating.. why did i remove debian it worked just fine.. argg
[04:06] <chase> Askew, ye they all just come up bank
[04:06] <slappy16> hahaha
[04:06] <chase> blank
[04:06] <Askew> chase, do you know of a fix?
[04:07] <pixil9> DanC_u: pentium 1 233 laptop with no cdrom
[04:07] <chase> Askew, no sorry. i didnt know the problem till you asked :-(
[04:07] <DanC_u> well, pixil9 debian installs from floppy pretty well, in general. sometimes laptops are tricky
[04:07] <GUISlave> pixil- just buy an external cd rom
[04:08] <Askew> anyone else know why SVG icon themes wouldnt' be working?  i made sure librsvg2 was installed....
[04:08] <nickrud> debootstrap, anyone :)
[04:08] <DanC_u> pixil9, does your laptop boot from USB devices, by chance?
[04:08] <pixil9> I think so.. but I only have a 32mb flash thingy
[04:08] <slappy16> nickrud: im interested in that
[04:09] <slappy16> shit, im thinking of fai
[04:09] <slappy16> nm
[04:09] <slappy16> /finger tweedledee
[04:09] <DanC_u> hmm... 32mb flash might be enough for a net-based install...
[04:09] <slappy16> aw
[04:09] <slappy16> lol
[04:09] <GUISlave> bad boy
[04:10] <slappy16> i cant finger you, tweedle
[04:10] <slappy16> ;)
[04:10] <TweedleDumb> wrong name
[04:10] <slappy16> ohh!
[04:10] <pixil9> DanC_u: ubuntu can do that?
[04:10] <slappy16> whois works
[04:10] <TweedleDumb> whois slappy16
[04:10] <slappy16> need the slash
[04:10] <TweedleDumb> du
[04:10] <slappy16> he's a dick, though
[04:11] <slappy16> whats whoheis
[04:11] <TweedleDumb> duh
[04:11] <slappy16> thats
[04:11] <slappy16> heh
[04:11] <slappy16> ok, i leave work
[04:11] <DanC_u> I think I saw "usb installs" on the web site, and I remember something about net installs, but I might be confused... double-checking...
[04:11] <Burger> i got a PIII why did it install all the 386 stuff instead of 686 ?
[04:11] <pixil9> Well whatever i'm almost done upgradin to sarge then sid
[04:11] <DanC_u> "Ubuntu 5.04 now supports installation from USB devices." -- http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/ReleaseNotes504/document_view
[04:11] <DanC_u> darn... no link to more info
[04:12] <GUISlave> I wonder how fast that usb install would go from a jump drive?
[04:12] <nickrud> Burger, you need to specifically install a 686 kernel libc, everything else if 486 called 386
[04:12] <nickrud> and libc
[04:12] <Burger> nickrud, huh? you mean by default it installs 386 and i got to upgrade ?
[04:13] <nickrud> Burger, yeah, it works more places that way
[04:13] <bourne_again> Hey I'm just wondering, why would somebody install ubuntu over debian? I'm not trolling I just have no idea.
[04:13] <Burger> nickrud... this is really wierd... cant it just ask me during installation??
[04:13] <nickrud> Burger, could, but doesn't
[04:13] <Burger> nickrud, so how do i upgrade to 686 ?
[04:13] <GUISlave> I think installing over Debian would be a disaster
[04:14] <GUISlave> I know going from warty to hoary has probs
[04:14] <DanC_u> aha.. http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/NetbootInstallHowto
[04:14] <pixil9> haha
[04:15] <chrisg_> How do I set the bittorrent ports used by gnome-btdownload?
[04:15] <nickrud> Burger, look for linux-image, and install the 686 version
[04:15] <DanC_u> hmm... do you have a nearby machine that can be a server, pixil9 ?
[04:15] <bourne_again> Can anybody tell me what makes ubuntu different from debian, other then that its slimmed down?
[04:15] <LucienLacombe> bourne_again: ubuntu slimmed down or debian
[04:15] <pixil9> DanC_u: ya this machine is on ubuntu
[04:15] <Burger> nickrud, i tried that.. it didnt tell me it needs to upgrade the modules or anything... how can it just upgrade the kernel but not the modules?
[04:16] <LucienLacombe> bourne_again: ubuntu is for fake linux users
[04:16] <pixil9> I guess i could make the tftp server
[04:16] <nickrud> bourne_again, not much, except it can be run by my mom :)
[04:16] <helio7> farruinn, well, I changed to the non-smp kernel in grub as one of several changes over the last week, since I upgraded from warty>hoary I've been experiencing daily crashes/hangs on a previously bombproof system... I'm hoping the non-smp k7 kernel is my fix :-) where would I report it anyway?
[04:16] <DanC_u> well, pixil9 I think netboot should work for you.
[04:16] <pixil9> LucienLacombe: I've been using freebsd debian and slackware for 10 years.. and i like ubuntu
[04:16] <Burger> bourne_again, don't beleive them... debian installs way easier
[04:16] <nickrud> Burger, let me look again
[04:16] <bourne_again> nickrud: So ubuntu is to debian as mandrake is to redhat?
[04:16] <LucienLacombe> pixil9: by your choice of bsd you would
[04:16] <GUISlave> Yeah lucient, stop trolling
[04:16] <pixil9> lol
[04:17] <nickrud> bourne_again, I don't know about today, but 3 years ago, that would be a good comparison
[04:17] <pixil9> DanC_u, thx
[04:17] <pixil9> If you like OpenBSD or NetBSD over FreeBSD you're on crack
[04:17] <steve_> GRR still no go
[04:17] <LucienLacombe> GUISlave: tab completion
[04:17] <LucienLacombe> try it
[04:17] <steve_> modversions.h still not there, despite header
[04:17] <steve_> s
[04:17] <mikeco> heh
[04:17] <LucienLacombe> you learn tht day 2 of using a diff OS
[04:17] <GUISlave> what do you mean by tab completion?
[04:17] <mikeco> openbsd
[04:17] <mikeco> i hate theo
[04:18] <mikeco> every different os has tab completion?
[04:18] <farruinn> helio7: I would first report it on the mailing list to see if anyone else has gotten this
[04:18] <farruinn> then report a bug at bugzilla.ubuntu.com if you need to
[04:18] <DanC_u> hmm... that wasn't the sort of netboot I was thinking of, though, pixil9. Debian has a mode that starts with like a 10MB .iso image and grabs the rest from the net. no nearby server needed.
[04:18] <mikeco> so if i was using say, dos, then went to windows 3.11 i'd have learnt about tab completion?
[04:18] <GUISlave> I like standard debian, it's just outdated
[04:18] <Agrajag> windows 3.11 isn't an OS
[04:18] <mikeco> it's a shell
[04:18] <mikeco> semantics, blah
[04:18] <helio7> hmm I thought I had subscribed to the mailing list, but I'll have to do it again, I haven't received much but the monthly things from devs
[04:19] <mikeco> point is, just because you switch os, doesn't mean there is tab completion
[04:19] <farruinn> helio7: you can do the web interface thing at www.ubuntuforums.org
[04:19] <GUISlave> Are we talking tab completion as in the terminal?
[04:19] <DanC_u> hmm... pixil9 , I see something about boot floppies in http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SmartBootManagerHowto
[04:19] <GUISlave> If so, ubuntu's got it
[04:19] <Agrajag> mikeco: almost every operating system that isn't windows uses a shell like bash or csh, which have tab completion
[04:19] <Agrajag> windows has it too, but you have to do a ragistry hack to turn it on
[04:19] <helio7> farruinn, are the forums 'mirrored' as a listserv?
[04:19] <Agrajag> registry
[04:20] <pixil9> DanC: heh that still wants a cd
[04:20] <chrisg_> windows xp has tabcompletion
[04:20] <farruinn> helio7: right, go to the "ubuntu-users mailing list thread"
[04:20] <mikeco> tab completion isn't even always turned on in something other than windows
[04:20] <helio7> k thanks farruinn
[04:20] <GUISlave> Damn, XP does have tab completion.  Didn't know that.  :)
[04:21] <mikeco> yeah, it does
[04:21] <danielbo> I'm a new ubuntu user and just bought a laptop with an AMD Sempron 2800+. It appears that this is a k8. Should I have installed the AMD64 version of Ubuntu instead of the i386?
[04:21] <helio7> Has anyone burned a DVD with K3B and had it not be recognized by WinXP?
[04:21] <bourne_again> Nope
[04:21] <nickrud> Burger, not apparently the ubuntu developers don't think everyone needs the restricted modules, so it's not a dependency
[04:21] <Agrajag> danielbo: semprons are 32 bit
[04:21] <chrisg_> XP even has good scripting now with python
[04:22] <nickrud> danielbo, do you have much linux experience?
[04:22] <Burger> nickrud, do you know whats the diff between linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-5-686 and linux-restricted-modules-686 ?
[04:22] <danielbo> Agrajag, that's what I thought, but it's showing K8 for some reason
[04:22] <GUISlave> Linux has come a long way.  I can't wait for the next five years
[04:22] <danielbo> nickrud
[04:22] <danielbo> nickrud, about 6 years
[04:22] <inc> anyone good wit wifi card?
[04:22] <nickrud> danielbo, then go 64 and do the chroot thingy :)
[04:23] <Agrajag> nickrud: uh, he can't
[04:23] <Agrajag> semprons are not 64-bit, are they?
[04:23] <danielbo> Agrajag, I seem to remember that the new ones ARE 64, but ith the same old name
[04:23] <nickrud> Burger, the one that doesn't have a version, depends on the latest one that does have a version
[04:23] <pixil9> DanC_u, I think i'll do the tftp one
[04:23] <thechitowncubs> How do I make my hard drive not constantly spin,its generating a lot of heat
[04:24] <danielbo> Agrajag, I had forgotten that one until just now when I noticed K8
[04:24] <nickrud> that is, if you install the one without a version, every time a new version comes out, it will automatically update
[04:24] <nickrud> that make sense?
[04:24] <Agrajag> DanC_u: just because it says that doesn't mean it's amd64
[04:24] <Agrajag> er, danielbo
[04:25] <thechitowncubs> Does anyone have any idea?
[04:25] <mikeco> there are k7 and k8 semprons, the k8 based off of amd64
[04:25] <nickrud> Agrajag, danielbo, just saw the question about 64, not the chip. trying to do too much at once. Sorry :)
[04:25] <danielbo> nickrud, AMD64 doesn't have all the plugins, right?
[04:25] <Agrajag> mikeco: "The Sempron 3100+, although based on the K8 architecture, does not support the AMD64 technology. In other words, the Sempron 3100+ is a 32-bit processor."
[04:25] <danielbo> mikeco, that's what I remember
[04:25] <Agrajag> http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/sempron-3100-oc_2.html\
[04:25] <Agrajag> uh, without the \
[04:25] <mikeco> i said based, that is all
[04:26] <kojak> is ubuntu any good
[04:26] <laggerzero> hey guys i need some help
[04:26] <mikeco> has all features minus 64bit and only 256k cache
[04:26] <zerovertex> you ask in a very biased channel
[04:26] <DanC_u> is anybody familiar with the ubuntu docs? is there an install guide? the docs seem to be sorta all-over-the-floor. Is that the state-of-the-art?
[04:26] <nickrud> danielbo, no, that's what the chroot is for, to run a 32 bit library to support plugins and the like
[04:26] <laggerzero> http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=63
[04:26] <Agrajag> mikeco: then he can't run amd64 ubuntu on it, can he?
[04:26] <Agrajag> That's all we're talking about here
[04:26] <mikeco> didn't say he could
[04:26] <mikeco> was just telling him why it said k8
[04:26] <laggerzero> when i try to apply the alps patch like that guy said i get this error: gunzip: /usr/share/doc/xorg-driver-synaptics is a directory -- ignored
[04:27] <thechitowncubs> Is laptop mode automatically enabled?
[04:27] <laggerzero> thats when running the:sudo gunzip -c /usr/share/doc/xorg-driver-synaptics | patch -p1
[04:27] <laggerzero> yes
[04:27] <laggerzero> it has the synaptics driver
[04:28] <laggerzero> not the alps driver
[04:28] <laggerzero> its in the 2.6.11 kernel but it keeps crashing on me
[04:28] <laggerzero> gam_server/gamin causes kernel panics
[04:28] <danielbo> nickrud, this is for my gf, so I'll probably just stick with vanilla
[04:28] <danielbo> nickrud, she won't know how to deal with anything
[04:29] <laggerzero> any suggestions?
[04:29] <Burger> hhmm, my Xorg log file says : Failed to initialize GLX extension (NVIDIA X driver not found) , wierd i install nvidia-glx
[04:30] <fazer> Hello, what is the Terminal thing in xfce and how is it
[04:30] <fazer>                different than the present terminal that comes with default
[04:30] <fazer>                installation of xfce?
[04:30] <fazer> damn it
[04:30] <nickrud> danielbo, when it's installed, go to www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats for movies & music
[04:31] <danielbo> nickrud, thanks
[04:31] <danielbo> appreciate the help
[04:31] <danielbo> nickrud, one of these days, I'll get hibernate to work ;)
[04:31] <nickrud> well, I the last bit might :)
[04:31] <laggerzero> no one has any suggestions?
[04:34] <thechitowncubs> Does anyone know about laptop mode?
[04:34] <terasurfer> Does anybody here have experience setting up asterisk, or a PBX in general?
[04:34] <thechitowncubs> Is laptop mode automatically enabled?
[04:34] <nekohayo> techitowncubs, I'm on a laptop right now
[04:35] <nekohayo> it's enabled on install I believe
[04:35] <nekohayo> because of laptop-detect maybe
[04:35] <nekohayo> (not sure)
[04:35] <pixil9> fuck i need a cdrom for my latop
[04:35] <laggerzero> since we are talking about laptops again
[04:35] <thechitowncubs> Well, I don't think it worked for my latop
[04:35] <thechitowncubs> laptop
[04:35] <scott> for some reason my laptop stalls up sometimes when I pull it off external power. it normally takes about 5 minutes or so
[04:35] <laggerzero> anyone get their alps touchpad working?
[04:35] <nekohayo> did you look in synaptic techito?
[04:35] <thechitowncubs> because i noticed my hard drive has gotten hot
[04:36] <nekohayo> laggerzero, mine works
[04:36] <laggerzero> its it synaptics or alps?
[04:36] <nickrud> pixil9, the woody to sarge to sid thing might actually work.
[04:36] <nekohayo> techitowncubs, mine is hot too.
[04:36] <inc> evil wireless
[04:36] <nickrud> not that I'd do it :)
[04:36] <pixil9> nickrud: ya i'm working on it
[04:36] <nekohayo> wireless is evil yes :) I made it work today however (yesss!)
[04:36] <pixil9> nickrud: i swear this POS has a 100rpm hard drive
[04:36] <inc> mine is being a paint "it just works" my a$$
[04:37] <nickrud> pixil9, you're on old kernels, hdparm might speed it up.
[04:37] <GUISlave> pixil, you can always try blue flops floppy linux. ;)
[04:37] <GUISlave> It's got the 2.6 kernel in it
[04:38] <pixil9> well i'm at sarge now heh
[04:38] <nickrud> pixil9, ooh fast internet :)
[04:39] <pixil9> haha blue flops
[04:39] <CyberDoo> Couple of quick support questions if I may....
[04:39] <nickrud> I did my woody to sid over dialup
[04:39] <nickrud> took days..............
[04:39] <nekohayo> mm hey, when I close the lid, it messes up (tries some kind of suspend.. which doesn't work), how could I deactivate the lid event?
[04:39] <inc> nekohayo; you using an atheros 5212 chipset?
[04:39] <nekohayo> inc, for what? the wireless?
[04:40] <CyberDoo> nic
[04:40] <inc> yea
[04:40] <nekohayo> nope, sorry.. a linksys card, which is a realtek one in fact
[04:40] <inc> evil netgear
[04:40] <inc> lol
[04:40] <nekohayo> :)
[04:40] <waltz> linksys is SHIT, to put it mildly
[04:41] <pixil9> i had linksys
[04:41] <nekohayo> hey.. are there any plans to have something else than prism based wlan included in krnels someday?
[04:41] <CyberDoo> Anyone have a stationary X in the middle of the screen after loadup?
[04:41] <pixil9> asus has made the best SOHO wireless router ever
[04:41] <pixil9> imo
[04:41] <nekohayo> linksys is okay with me.
[04:41] <trey> hey all - i have a dell laptop and i am having trouble getting a broadcom wireless nic to work - can someone with ndiswrapper experience help me?
[04:41] <waltz> I'm 100% SMC.
[04:41] <pixil9> linksys blew ass
[04:41] <nekohayo> if you say so.
[04:41] <trey> the driver installs correctly but then when i go to modprobe it tells me fatal error cannot insert
[04:41] <inc> eww smc.. had a switch that died one port at a time lol
[04:42] <nekohayo> trey, did you do a ndiswrapper -l to check if the driver is "valid" ?
[04:42] <pixil9> The Asus / dlink are the only two with good web interfaces and proper WPA-PSK support
[04:42] <pixil9> linksys and smc is all garbage with WEP
[04:42] <nekohayo> I don't care, you can airsnort them in one minute
[04:42] <inc> i shouldn't need to use ndiswrapper with the atheros chipset do I?
[04:43] <pixil9> what is ndiswrapper for
[04:43] <inc> windows drivers on linux i think right?
[04:43] <nekohayo> by the way.. is there a newb tutorial for airsnort?
[04:43] <nekohayo> inc, I think so
[04:44] <pixil9> ah
[04:44] <pixil9> or you could just buy a new nic for $5
[04:45] <inc> anyone familiar with troubleshotting this thing? the wiki is is kind of lean on this
[04:45] <pixil9> ya i just looked.. never used it
[04:46] <pixil9> i've had the same 3c905 nics for like 10 years
[04:46] <sladen> inc: correct, you should not need ndis for atheros
[04:46] <inc> my wired xircom nic works like a charm but the wifi thing lol
[04:47] <inc> i do an lspci and I see it there
[04:48] <inc> i'm supposed to see something like ath_pci with i do lsmod but not there
[04:52] <cheryl> hi
[04:52] <inc> sup
[04:52] <cheryl> I have a question about installing aim on ubuntu 5.04
[04:52] <mikeco> hahah, xteddy blends in perfectly with the default ubuntu wallpaper
[04:53] <cheryl> On ubuntu linux 5.04
[04:53] <cheryl> I installed aim as root
[04:53] <cheryl> unzip -c aim-1.5.234-1.i386.tgz | tar xvf -
[04:53] <cheryl> Then as the user
[04:53] <cheryl> cheryl@cheryls:~$ /usr/local/bin/aim
[04:53] <cheryl> /usr/local/bin/aim: error while loading shared libraries: libgdk-1.2.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[04:53] <inc> gaim
[04:53] <cheryl> I searched the whole disk for this library and it is not there.
[04:53] <cheryl> What should I do?
[04:54] <nickrud> cheryl, http:/debian/distrib/packages will let you search for packages that have files. Look in the unstable distribution.
[04:54] <inc> use synaptic to install gaim
[04:54] <KernelPanic> cheryl: just install gaim
[04:54] <inc> actually should be installed with hoary already
[04:54] <nickrud> the files you nedd :)
[04:54] <inc> apps> internet> gaim
[04:55] <cheryl> thanks I just found that
[04:55] <cheryl> gaim works
[04:55] <KernelPanic> :D
[04:55] <inc> yeah it rox
[04:55] <inc> ubuntu's got your back lol
[04:55] <DoppelGanger> pukes
[04:55] <cheryl> this is the best linux install.  Everything I need is already here
[04:56] <inc> DoppelGanger: lol
[04:56] <DoppelGanger> mwa ah ha
[04:56] <DoppelGanger> oh god stop it, it hurts
[04:56] <cheryl> so long bill gates, no more $$$ from me.  I will donate soon to ubuntu
[04:57] <inc> lol
[04:57] <inc> you can donate to me even though I haven't done anything
[04:57] <DoppelGanger> :-(
[04:57] <mikeco> hm
[04:57] <mikeco> haha
[04:57] <inc> :p
[04:57] <cheryl> you said gaim
[04:57] <mikeco> i think i tore something in my shoulder, which sucks
[04:57] <cheryl> that was a big help
[04:57] <nickrud> cheryl, better yet, order disks and pass them out, canonical doesn't need your money :)
[04:58] <cheryl> kewl
[04:58] <inc> pass them out like crack to kids
[04:58] <cheryl> I will
[04:58] <inc> first one's free
[04:58] <nickrud> my extra 9 disappeared from the library in 2 hours.
[04:58] <mikeco> no, because then the govt will try to corner the market
[04:58] <cheryl> I tried sUSE on my machine and it couldn't see my disk to install
[04:59] <inc> yes debian is good
[04:59] <cheryl> I spent a week trying to partition and any trick I could think of
[04:59] <inc> still doesn't like my wifi card though
[04:59] <mikeco> get a wireless bridge for your nic
[05:00] <cheryl> take care and thanks
[05:00] <mikeco> that's the lazy + easy and somewhat pricey way to do it
[05:00] <inc> cya cheryl
[05:00] <inc> lol i already got the card
[05:00] <mikeco> is it working?
[05:00] <inc> it's just laughing at me
[05:00] <mikeco> audibly?
[05:00] <mikeco> i'd take that back man
[05:01] <mikeco> that's crazy
[05:01] <mikeco> :-D
[05:01] <inc> well the voices in my haed tell me it is
[05:01] <inc> lol
[05:01] <mikeco> ahh, you should introduce your voices to mine
[05:01] <inc> then they can take over the world
[05:02] <mikeco> mine all sound like antonio banderas
[05:02] <Olsen> how can i add support for more codecs in totem?
[05:02] <mikeco> doesn't it use gstreamer?
[05:02] <inc> listen to the voices
[05:02] <mikeco> erm
[05:02] <mikeco> you mean like win32 or what?
[05:02] <mikeco> realplay?
[05:02] <inc> gstreamer8-mad or something
[05:03] <Olsen> MPEG-4
[05:03] <fazer> does anyone know why sound doesnt work in flash in firefox?
[05:03] <fazer> I looked at the how to
[05:03] <nickrud> Olsen, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[05:03] <fazer> but...still doesn't do anything...hope I don't have to reboot =/
[05:03] <inc> fazer you need the non-free flash
[05:03] <Olsen> nickrud, thx
[05:03] <inc> yeah that's the wiki i was looking for
[05:03] <fazer> inc: that is exactly what I got.
[05:04] <nickrud> welcome, you too, inc
[05:04] <inc> hmm works for me
[05:04] <fazer> inc: I am talking about the flash player plugin
[05:04] <fazer> inc: I am using alsa, or, whatever it is.
[05:05] <inc> sound work for other stuff?
[05:05] <inc> like wav?
[05:05] <inc> volume up?
[05:07] <nickrud> pixil9, I'm curious, how's it going?
[05:07] <mrc3> hi! how can i play a wav file from the command line?
[05:07] <pixil9> nickrud: It won't upgrade past sid
[05:07] <mrc3> (i need it for psi, amsn, and other programs that need sound)
[05:08] <nickrud> what's the error?
[05:08] <pixil9> this laptop is such a hunk of shit i'm gonna break it
[05:08] <nickrud> pixil9, try upgrading the kernel to 2.6 something
[05:08] <nickrud> a shot in the dark
[05:09] <pixil9> I think I'm gonna stick something else on it
[05:09] <nickrud> crossed fingers in the general direction of pixil9
[05:09] <pixil9> heh
[05:09] <GUISlave> Blue Flops
[05:10] <GUISlave> Get that 386 feel
[05:10] <pixil9> got a link?
[05:10] <nickrud> yeah, the first ten have nothing to do with linux
[05:11] <GUISlave> http://www.iwave.ro/mini_distros/
[05:11] <GUISlave> Romainia
[05:11] <Nat^^> Hi Guys !
[05:11] <nickrud> pixil9, if you want to take a day or two, you can actually make sid work nicely.  Ran it for  years.
[05:11] <lewwy> hey guys, when i try to login to ubuntu under my standard account, i experience graphical corruption in the top left hand corner of my screen, and then it takes me straight back to the login screen.  however when i go into terminal by killing the x server and su into root, and then startx it promptly works.  any suggestions?
[05:11] <pixil9> it says xorg has no installation candidate
[05:11] <Nat^^> My first time on Ubuntu (live on Ibook G3 )...wowww :)
[05:12] <pixil9> xorg-common
[05:12] <mrc3> Nat^^, i'm on ibook g3 too! how's your ride going?
[05:12] <nickrud> pixil9, that probably can be beat
[05:12] <Nat^^> very very well :)
[05:12] <pixil9> i need something that won't fuckup for the next year cuz my bro is takin the laptop to australia
[05:13] <Nat^^> but i have a problem...
[05:13] <nickrud> pixil9, nothing is that good.
[05:13] <GUISlave> DSL would probably work nicely with that laptop
[05:13] <GUISlave> It's 50 megs though
[05:13] <pixil9> anything *nix should beat win95
[05:13] <pixil9> DSL?
[05:13] <lewwy> guys, anyone looking at my prob?
[05:13] <GUISlave> Damn Small Linux
[05:13] <mrc3> nickrud, i ran linux from scratch for 1.5 years, 8 months of which i didn't even reboot! :)
[05:14] <GUISlave> I've loaded it and it works nicely
[05:14] <GUISlave> Debian based
[05:14] <Nat^^> I run a debian on this Ibook, a sarge, I do not know why the dhclient does not work anymore...in your opinion I could mount the root debian partition from ubuntu live and install another dhclient there ??
[05:14] <nomasteryoda> what is the equivalent of /etc/rc.d/rc.local  on ubuntu??
[05:14] <nickrud> mrc3, I'm still living off my experience from building and running LFS
[05:14] <pixil9> GUISlave, floppy install? :P
[05:14] <GUISlave> Um, lemme check.
[05:15] <nomasteryoda> thks
[05:15] <TwEeT> hey
[05:15] <nomasteryoda> hey
[05:15] <crimsun> nomasteryoda: there is none. You make an /etc/init.d/script and create the symlinks with update-rc.d
[05:15] <TwEeT> Will a 500mhz 256mb comp work ok with gnome/ubuntu?
[05:15] <nomasteryoda> ok
[05:15] <nomasteryoda> cool
[05:15] <Nat^^> I was able to mount my debian root partition but...I do not know the command to let ubuntu install some application there...helppp !!!
[05:15] <crimsun> TwEeT: yes
[05:15] <fazer> its a nice feeling knowing that you won't be hit with spyware in Ubuntu =)
[05:15] <nickrud> nomasteryoda, there is none, you write a new script, based on /etc/init.d/skeleton, drop it into /etc/init.d and link it
[05:15] <GUISlave> ftp://ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/distributions/damnsmall/current/
[05:15] <nomasteryoda> crimsun, cool
[05:15] <nomasteryoda> nickrud, thanks
[05:15] <TwEeT> Will it be horribly slow
[05:15] <GUISlave> I see boot.img files
[05:15] <TwEeT> ?
[05:16] <crimsun> TwEeT: no
[05:16] <nomasteryoda> you guys rock!
[05:16] <pixil9> ah
[05:16] <pixil9> nice
 oh really? is there any tweaks that I can perform to get the best out of it?
[05:16] <mrc3> Nat^^, i'm new to ubuntu and debian altogether, sorry i can't help
[05:16] <pixil9> I will try it
[05:16] <crimsun> TwEeT: though I recommend you consider slimmer alternative desktops like fluxbox and Xfce
[05:16] <pixil9> for something to do
[05:16] <nomasteryoda> i just installed Ubuntu on this Dell D505 and am trying to setup the 1400x1050 res
 I'm installing it for my sister, and gnome is the easiest
[05:16] <crimsun> TwEeT: Xfce is quite nice, too
[05:17] <fazer> TwEeT: gnome should be good enough I guess.  I run xfce with Ubuntu on a PII 366 MHz with 160 MB ram =/
[05:17] <pixil9> GUISlave, downloadin now
[05:17] <nickrud> nomasteryoda, what's in your monitor section of /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[05:17] <Nat^^> mrc3, thank you anyway...i think to need a poweruser..sigh..
[05:17] <fazer> TwEeT: sometimes its terribly slow when you have too much stuff open.
[05:17] <hypno> Nat^^ please rephrase your question?
 I understand, gnome is better though =D
[05:17] <Nat^^> I was able to mount my debian root partition but...I do not know the command to let ubuntu install some application there...helppp !!!
[05:17] <fazer> TwEeT: gnome is better when it comes to userfriendlyness, yes.
[05:17] <Nat^^> I have to change my dhclient on my deb partition...
[05:17] <hypno> rephrase, not repeat ;)
[05:17] <lewwy> hey guys, when i try to login to ubuntu under my standard account, i experience graphical corruption in the top left hand corner of my screen, and then it takes me straight back to the login screen.  however when i go into terminal by killing the x server and su into root, and then startx it promptly works.  any suggestions?
[05:17] <fazer> TwEeT: like, plug in a USB drive and itusually recognizes it and makes a desktop icon for you.
[05:18] <Nat^^> sorry hipno :)
 Thats what I need, User Friendliness
[05:18] <hypno> you have a installation of both debian and ubuntu and you want to install something on the debian one?
[05:18] <crimsun> fazer: you can get that same functionality in another environment by invoking gnome-volume-manager &
[05:18] <Nat^^> well essentially I need to install some apps from ubuntu live on the HD ( a debian root partition) is possible and how ?
[05:18] <TwEeT> I guess I'll try it and see how it goes
[05:18] <crimsun> fazer: and you'd probably find gnome-settings-daemon &  useful, too
[05:18] <Nat^^> exactly hipno !
[05:19] <TwEeT> I'm converting her early, I showed her what it looked like and she's like, i want it, i want it... ok then, you got it
[05:19] <crimsun> Nat^^: chroot into your Debian install
[05:19] <fazer> crimsun: oh..thanks!
[05:19] <TwEeT> Almost got my mom to switch, she just is a "windows" victim.
[05:19] <hypno> Nat^^ assuming the networking on the debian is broken, you'll have to copy the needed .deb files over, then reboot into debian and install them normally
[05:19] <TwEeT> She doesn't want to "learn" a new thing/
[05:19] <fazer> TwEeT: give your sister a mac Mini, she'll seriously dig it!
[05:20] <TwEeT> Screw that
[05:20] <fazer> =/
[05:20] <Nat^^> good workaround hypno !
[05:20] <Marble2> I feel so awesome, I just compiled my own .deb and it's working perfectly
[05:20] <crimsun> hypno: no need. He can mount his Debian partition then chroot it.
[05:20] <TwEeT> I know she will, but we don't have money to spend on crap like that
[05:20] <Nat^^> I am going to download the dhclient deb :)
[05:20] <fazer> TwEeT: heh =/
[05:20] <Nat^^> crimsun, I am sorry but I do not know how chroot :(
[05:20] <fazer> TwEeT: its not really crap, the new Tiger release is a revolution when it comes to OS =/
[05:20] <hypno> crimsun it's the path of least resistance.. :)
[05:20] <Nat^^> could you explain or is tool
[05:20] <crimsun> Nat^^: are you in Ubuntu?
 How so, all I see on their homepage is widgets
[05:20] <Nat^^> just now !
[05:20] <pixil9> GUISlave, somehow i doubt this will support my xircom pccard :P
[05:21] <TwEeT> and some better search functions
[05:21] <crimsun> Nat^^: and where is your Debian partition mounted if you're in Ubuntu?
[05:21] <fazer> TwEeT: its other things that make you go "wow" when you use it.
[05:21] <Nat^^> but is a live version
[05:21] <crimsun> Nat^^: that's fine
[05:21] <Nat^^> on /mnt (starting from /dev/hda11)
[05:21] <fazer> TwEeT: its rock solidly stable and has the UNIX interface ... its basically UNIX
 I know, but I don't like ONLY using mac hardware, that gives them a HUGE advantage
[05:21] <TwEeT> in creating a sweet os
[05:21] <crimsun> Nat^^: sudo chroot /mnt /bin/bash
[05:21] <Nat^^> ok
[05:22] <TwEeT> they don't have to worry about hardware conflicts, compatibility at all for the most part...
[05:22] <fazer> TwEeT: exactly, that's a sacrifice you have to make to receive rock solid stability
 linux seems rock solid to me
[05:22] <TwEeT> and windows XP (at times)
[05:22] <TwEeT> most times
[05:23] <TwEeT> but ya, its rock solid for the most part
[05:23] <fazer> TwEeT: I'd say they both are.  But config'ing it can be a pain =/
[05:23] <Nat^^> ok no errors, but if i understood i changed my root partition now ??
[05:23] <KernelPanic> ho needs windows??:p
 Me
[05:23] <TwEeT> Games.
[05:23] <zenrox> TwEeT,  what games
[05:23] <KernelPanic> :p
[05:23] <TwEeT> I would switch in one split second
[05:23] <crimsun> Nat^^: you're now in your Debian partition, and for all practical purposes, are in fact running Debian
[05:23] <TwEeT> Mostly steam apps, and sometimes BF1942, stuff like that
[05:23] <KernelPanic> doom3 enz can you also play on Linux:)
[05:23] <GUISlave> I hate the fact that windows doesn't control everything.
[05:23] <whaq> some commercial multimedia content creations also
[05:23] <Nat^^> and...can I use apt from there ???
[05:23] <zenrox> TwEeT,  most popular games are able to be played on linux
[05:23] <fazer> crimsun: is gnome-volume-manager a GUI or just a background application?
[05:23] <crimsun> Nat^^: yep
[05:23] <GUISlave> When I say shutdown, I mean shutdown and kill everything
[05:24] <crimsun> fazer: "background"
[05:24] <fazer> crimsun: ah hehe okay.
[05:24] <TwEeT> Plus the Skype support in ubuntu isn't that good (or vice versa), I already bought cedega for a month, i almost switched, but I converted my laptop
[05:24] <Nat^^> Greaaaatttttteeeee !!!!! Thank you infinitely crimsun !!!! :)))
[05:24] <treyD> hey guys, i have a dell 700m and i can't my screen working properly
[05:24] <crimsun> Nat^^: np
[05:24] <treyD> i download 855resolution
[05:24] <treyD> its installed
[05:24] <zenrox> TwEeT,  skype takes some playing around to get it to work
[05:24] <pixil9> Ok. The laptop is getting towed by my truck
[05:24] <treyD> but it hasn't changed my resolution
[05:25] <nickrud> pixil9, I could have used it!!!
[05:25] <TwEeT> I presume simple is the best theme to use on a slower comp...
[05:25] <zenrox> TwEeT, ill help you get yours set up right
 Yours?
[05:25] <Nat^^> mmhhh I am doing an apt update but..it is not using my source list...is all right ?
 Skype?
[05:25] <zenrox> skype
[05:25] <TwEeT> ya, i got it working for the most part
[05:25] <zenrox> oh ok
[05:25] <treyD> anybody?
[05:25] <crimsun> Nat^^: it should be using your Debian one
[05:25] <pixil9> heh
[05:26] <TwEeT> I just wish I could get other sound to work while using it ( is it possible )
[05:26] <fazer> crimsun: would you happen to know why in bluefish, I can see my FTP server fine but in gedit i can't? (gnome-vfs thing)
[05:26] <holysmokes> anyone know if it's possible to boot from the install cd and install from the net?
[05:26] <nickrud> oh well
[05:26] <Nat^^> ok, I am going to verify it
[05:26] <crimsun> fazer: I don't know offhand
[05:26] <zenrox> TwEeT,  unless esd is loaded
[05:26] <zenrox> TwEeT,  and every thang uses the esd
[05:27] <fazer> crimsun: oh
 umm... i have it set up where ESD scans to see if the soundcard is in use by another app ( i think, i put an option in the esd.conf so that I don't have to kill esd before using it)
[05:27] <TwEeT> Makes it a lot better
[05:27] <crimsun> TwEeT: " -as 5" ?
[05:27] <SQL_Sam> hello all
[05:27] <fazer> SQL_Sam: hey
[05:27] <TwEeT> ya
[05:27] <TwEeT> thats it
[05:27] <nickrud> -as 5 thanks
[05:27] <frank_> holysmokes, Yeah you can install packages in live cd
[05:28] <fazer> frank_: you never knew that?
[05:28] <fazer> frank_: oh wait...nevermind, bah
[05:28] <fazer> Didn't know holysmokes was a username
[05:28] <TwEeT> where is open office located on the hard drive?
[05:28] <holysmokes> heh
[05:28] <frank_> lol
[05:28] <fazer> TwEeT: the binary file?
[05:28] <TwEeT> I downloaded a quick start gnome panel dock thing, that makes it load faster, but i have
[05:28] <holysmokes> frank_, is there a guide somewhere for this process perhaps?
[05:28] <TwEeT> Oo 2.0 and where is it located
[05:28] <TwEeT> hold on
[05:29] <SQL_Sam> I installed a new stick of ram, and have some questions.  Can anyone help?
[05:29] <fazer> TwEeT: I tihnk in /usr/lib/
[05:29] <NeonLightning> what is the console command for copying
[05:29] <TwEeT> It asks for "Full Path to the OpenOffice.org application"
[05:29] <crimsun> TwEeT: /usr/lib/openoffice/program/
[05:29] <pixil9> thx for all the help people.. bbl
[05:29] <nickrud> NeonLightning, cp
[05:29] <crimsun> TwEeT: then the binaries in there
[05:29] <frank_> holysmokes, Its exactly like the real thing. Setup internet, start synaptic / apt-get, install away
[05:30] <frank_> holysmokes, only nothing is permanent but its good to try things
[05:30] <TwEeT> i don't know if this applet will work then =/
[05:30] <TwEeT> oih
[05:30] <TwEeT> nvm
[05:30] <frank_> holysmokes, oh and add lines to /etc/sources.list  if appropriate
[05:30] <TwEeT> i took off the /program
[05:30] <TwEeT> and it worked
[05:30] <TwEeT> thanks
[05:30] <hypno> SQL_Sam better to just ask the question, somone may answer
[05:31] <holysmokes> frank_, ahh.. i'm definitely looking to permanently install a system, but the cd-rom is dodgy.. keeps encountering read errors during the installation of the base system, so i was hoping i could complete that portion of this install over the net insteads
[05:31] <TwEeT> crap, nvm
[05:31] <TwEeT> it didn't work there either
[05:31] <TwEeT> ahhh
[05:32] <TwEeT> How long do free cd's usually take to get here?
[05:32] <TwEeT> Or for them to process it...
[05:32] <Olsen> WTF i compiled mplayer and i don't have xv, do i need the xorg libraries?
[05:32] <Olsen> xorg-x11 libs
[05:32] <nickrud> TwEeT, my order took about 40 days
[05:33] <nickrud> roughly
[05:33] <TwEeT> eh, ok, thanks for the info
[05:33] <SQL_Sam> i installed a stick of ram - 256mb.  I simply shutdown - added the stick and then turned the box on - I got major failures after that.  I basically got fed up and reinstalled with the new stick and it seems to be working fine.  My question is what did i do wrong?
[05:33] <TwEeT> thats amazing that they can ship and stamp them for FREE!
[05:33] <mikeco> is the process of making a ubuntu live cd the same as making a knoppix cd?
[05:33] <TwEeT> Holy crap, the torrent for hoary is sooo fast
[05:33] <mikeco> well, dvd in this case , but anyway
[05:33] <frank_> holysmokes, oh you have trouble with the install cd? Try burning it again and do a verify burn in your burning software
[05:34] <fazer> SQL_Sam: woah...damn.
[05:34] <TwEeT> Does anyone have a favorite theme? Preferably for a slower computer?
[05:34] <holysmokes> frank_, i'm fairly certain that it's the drive on the target system.. i've used to the same cd to install on two other machines in the last couple of days
[05:34] <fazer> SQL_Sam: what errors did yousee?
[05:34] <fazer> TwEeT: theme...for gnome?
[05:35] <frank_> holysmokes, There must be a way to do a minimal install then install everything else via apt-get but I don't know how
[05:35] <TwEeT> ya, for gnome
[05:35] <SQL_Sam> in the boot sequence etc/config.d input/output - something to that effect (didnt get time to write it down - which i should have)
[05:35] <holysmokes> frank_, doh.. yeah, it seems it should be.. oh well, thanks
[05:35] <nickrud> TwEeT, use Default for slow machines
[05:36] <nickrud> kinda ugly but fast
[05:36] <mikeco> is he still using gnome on a slow machine?
[05:36] <nickrud> I am
[05:36] <mikeco> because he could just ditch gnome itself and maybe use the window manager
[05:36] <TwEeT> oh god uglay
[05:37] <SQL_Sam> stupid question - i got another stick that I want to add (just wanted to get it working first with the 256 ram).  what do i need to do to add this stick?  What would be the 'process'?
[05:37] <Nat^^> Guys, is better pump or dhcp3 as client ??
[05:37] <mikeco> though, i still used gnome on a 266MHz box
[05:37] <nickrud> All in all, gnome's strong points more than make up for bloat, imho
[05:37] <SkyNet> SQL_Sam just install it on the machine i guess
[05:37] <mikeco> agreed
[05:37] <fazer> SQL_Sam: http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/topic-6775.html
[05:38] <mikeco> i use windowmaker or flux for forwarded x connections though
[05:38] <mikeco> or vnc
[05:38] <nickrud> mikeco, 466 celeron :)
[05:38] <SQL_Sam> i'm having problems with the net right now.... Mozilla is hanging and times out
[05:38] <mikeco> nickrud, that's an excellent server for a local net
 thats almost what my sister is on
[05:38] <nickrud> mikeco, this machine is my local net :)
[05:38] <mikeco> heh, i use a p200 for mine
[05:39] <mikeco> nickrud, whatever works
[05:39] <TwEeT> what do you use your servers for?
[05:39] <fazer> SQL_Sam: I guess your BIOS doesn't check for ram upon startup.
[05:39] <mikeco> TwEeT, backing up files, etc
[05:39] <mikeco> email, one is a video and music server
[05:39] <Nat^^> does anybody know the difference in stability netween pump and dhcp3 as dhcp clients ?
[05:40] <SQL_Sam> how do i message a person on this IRC - im way noob
[05:40] <mikeco>  /msg or /query nickname
[05:40] <fazer> SQL_Sam: what IRC client are you using?
[05:41] <SQL_Sam> x-chat
[05:41] <fazer> SQL_Sam: double click on the person's name.
[05:41] <fazer> SQL_Sam: or type /msg <nickname> <message here>
[05:42] <mikeco> nickrud, do you need some hardware?
[05:42] <mikeco> i collect crap people don't use anymore
[05:42] <SQL_Sam> anyway to speed up mozilla?  omg it is still trying to open a page!
[05:42] <nickrud> mikeco, the non-profit I work for could
[05:42] <mikeco> i could probably send you a athlon xp board and cpu
[05:42] <mikeco> matter of fact, i know i could
[05:43] <mikeco> athlon xp 2000, shuttle xpc board, and a gig stick of ddr
[05:43] <mikeco> it's just sitting in the box
[05:43] <nickrud> mikeco, drool
[05:43] <mikeco> dude, this little shop down the road from me, startech sells crap soo cheap
[05:43] <mikeco> sometimes he gives it away to make room for new stuff
[05:44] <fazer> SQL_Sam: probably the server over the other end is causingp problems?
[05:44] <fazer> mikeco: nice...
[05:44] <mikeco> i don't have an extra shuttle case, but i bet it would work just fine in a standard case
[05:44] <nickrud> mikeco, I'm getting old, can't throw working stuff away
[05:44] <mikeco> or retrofitted into a desktop case, like an old dell
[05:45] <nickrud> not fair, tempting me like this
[05:45] <SQL_Sam> dont think so - i got a xp box and this one hooked up to a dsl modem with a linksys wireless router the xp screams compared to ubuntu?
[05:45] <mikeco> ie: he sells 19in lcd monitors for about 299 dollars
[05:46] <SQL_Sam> lol - i told my wife that she could surf with lunix, but she'll get pissed if it is this slow
[05:46] <mikeco> mozilla or firefox?
[05:46] <lewwy> does the file IntrinsicP.h ring a bell to anyone in here?
[05:47] <SQL_Sam> mozilla firefox that came with ubuntu
[05:47] <IIIEars> Hello! - setting a root password in user and groups doesn't seem to change anything. - Is is suppossed to?
[05:47] <mikeco> check to see if you have good connectivity
[05:47] <Robi> firefox works fine in ubuntu
[05:48] <tsume> ditto
[05:48] <SQL_Sam> what is the command to check ram?
[05:48] <yoink> try some of the firefox tweaks....google it.
[05:48] <Robi> lets see how long it takes for 1.03 to come out
[05:48] <SQL_Sam> i want to verify that isnt it
[05:48] <flodine> has anyone installed enlightenment with the package manager
[05:48] <inc> doesn't firefox come standard now?
[05:48] <Robi> free
[05:48] <mikeco> flodine, no, but it's easy to build
[05:48] <IIIEars> firefox works very well - check out the nifty about:config commands available
[05:49] <yoink> so, probably not a browser issue
[05:49] <mikeco> i even find e17 usefull
[05:49] <flodine> are you talking abut E17
[05:49] <inc> finally got my wifi card working
[05:49] <mikeco> e16 and e17 are good
[05:49] <lewwy> hey guys, when i try to login to ubuntu under my standard account, i experience graphical corruption in the top left hand corner of my screen, and then it takes me straight back to the login screen.  however when i go into terminal by killing the x server and su into root, and then startx it promptly works.  any suggestions?
[05:49] <Robi> inc ya me too
[05:49] <thr1ce> anyone good with ATI drivers ?
[05:49] <mikeco> define good
[05:49] <Robi> bit slow timing out
[05:49] <nickrud> e16 was what hooked me on linux. sldiing destops, yum
[05:50] <SQL_Sam> i have a amd k6 but need to check the ram - i think it is cat something.... can someone help?
[05:50] <mikeco> haha
[05:50] <inc> had to upgrade the kernel and then when i rebooted bam it's working
[05:50] <mikeco> i like the speed
[05:50] <Robi> SQL_Sam, free
[05:50] <mikeco> when you turn off some of the eyecandy, e is damn quick
[05:50] <Nat^^> see ya guys, I am going to reboot my sarge and test the dhcp...hope well :)
[05:50] <nickrud> what's the point, without the eyecandy
[05:50] <thr1ce> ok; I changed to the 686 kernel, and got this
[05:50] <mikeco> uh
[05:50] <thr1ce> sorry if it's long...
[05:50] <thr1ce> (WW) fglrx(0): ***********************************************
[05:50] <thr1ce> (WW) fglrx(0): * DRI initialization failed!                  *
[05:50] <thr1ce> (WW) fglrx(0): * (maybe driver kernel module missing or bad) *
[05:50] <thr1ce> (WW) fglrx(0): * 2D acceleraton available (MMIO)             *
[05:50] <thr1ce> (WW) fglrx(0): * no 3D acceleration available                *
[05:50] <thr1ce> (WW) fglrx(0): ********************************************* *
[05:50] <inc> ahh
[05:50] <thr1ce> crap...sorry
[05:50] <discord> anyone know about a net install on a laptop without cdrom
[05:50] <mikeco> my guess would be to have a working desktop?
[05:51] <nickrud> thr1ce, #flood
[05:51] <discord> I have debian on it right now
[05:51] <crimsun> discord: netboot.
[05:51] <inc> free does work to show u ram?
[05:51] <discord> yeah
[05:51] <thr1ce> nickrud, sorry; didn't think it'd be that big
[05:51] <discord> hmm
[05:51] <lewwy> whats the shockwave plugin for firefox called?
[05:51] <mikeco> nickrud, hmm. you don't need the eyecandy to use e
[05:51] <mikeco> silly wabbit
[05:51] <thr1ce> i didn't switch kernel versions, only to the 686 instead of 386 kernel
[05:51] <thr1ce> I built it from the 686
[05:52] <thr1ce> anyone have any ideas ?
[05:52] <mikeco> you rebuilt the kernel module from /lib/modules/fglrx?
[05:52] <mikeco> for your kernel that is
[05:52] <discord> crimsun, is there another way I already have debian and grub on the laptop
[05:52] <thr1ce> mikeco, I upgraded kernels, and then built it
[05:53] <SQL_Sam> can someone give me some helpful sites for learning bash shell commands?
[05:53] <nickrud> mikeco, but it's what made e. eterm, sliding desktops, incredibly beautiful backgrounds, shiny metal ...
[05:53] <thr1ce> rpm -> deb, built it, ran though fglrxconfig, and now that happens
[05:53] <crimsun> discord: just change your sources.list, update, and dist-upgrade. And pray.
[05:53] <flodine> how do i install a .deb file
[05:53] <discord> crimsun
[05:53] <thr1ce> dpkg -i
[05:53] <Robi> there an equivalent of gkrellm?
[05:53] <discord> i heard bad things happen when you try to go from debian to ubuntu like that
[05:53] <mikeco> ok
[05:53] <thr1ce> mikeco, any ideas ?
[05:54] <mikeco> and that's the only warning you get from Xorg?
[05:54] <crimsun> discord: yes, and I'll be the first to tell you not to do it. But the machine I'm typing from is testament that it can be done.
[05:54] <seven_six_two> my pc did something bad a little while ago, i don't know what. I couldn't start and package managers or use apt. there was nothing in my var/lib/apt directory and it was looking for a non existant file. i touched the file and synaptic runs now, but it seems to think dpkg isn't installed
[05:54] <thr1ce> mikeco, built on 2.6.10-5-686
[05:54] <Robi> so install ubuntu as default and enjoy some of the debian pkgs later that dont come with ubuntu yet
[05:54] <discord> crimsun, I was able to install debian by getting a cd image onto the laptop and booting it from grub
[05:54] <thr1ce> mikeco, yes, the only one that affects 3D accel; everything else looks fine
[05:54] <thr1ce> andrew@brouwers:~$ fglrxinfo
[05:54] <thr1ce> display: :0.0  screen: 0
[05:54] <thr1ce> OpenGL vendor string: Mesa project: www.mesa3d.org
[05:54] <seven_six_two> synaptic won't install dpkg either, since it seems to need dpkg to install it
[05:54] <discord> crimsun, is there anything similar for ubuntu?
[05:55] <lewwy> hey guys, when i try to login to ubuntu under my standard account, i experience graphical corruption in the top left hand corner of my screen, and then it takes me straight back to the login screen.  however when i go into terminal by killing the x server and su into root, and then startx it promptly works.  any suggestions?
[05:55] <thr1ce> won't show up in fglrxinfo either
[05:55] <mikeco> and your xorg.conf is all correct?
[05:55] <crimsun> discord: it'll be easiest for you simply to bootstrap into ubuntu using what you're on
[05:55] <mrc3> hey all! any wav player for the command line?
[05:55] <flodine> cedega_4.3.1-1_i386.deb how do i install this
[05:55] <crimsun> mrc3: aplay
[05:55] <discord> okay im gonna try it
[05:55] <mrc3> or any way to get sound from bmp, wxvlc, and all the gang?
[05:55] <discord> fingers crossed
[05:55] <crimsun> flodine: sudo dpkg -i cedega_4.3.1-1_i386.deb
[05:55] <thr1ce> mikeco, i did remove my 386 kernel
[05:55] <mrc3> crimsun, thanks for the prompt answer! let me check
[05:55] <flodine> thxs
[05:56] <crimsun> flodine: presuming, of course, that you are on i386
[05:56] <flodine> yes
[05:57] <TwEeT> does anyone know if sony minidisc players are compatible with ubuntu
[05:57] <frank_> is downloading cedega stealing or just being impolite?
[05:57] <discord> anyone have the url to that unofficial hoary install guide or whatever the one which tells you how to optimize the dist?
[05:57] <seven_six_two> i pasted apt-get error in flood
[05:57] <discord> distro
[05:58] <smouche> www.ubuntuguide.org ?
[05:59] <mrc3> crimsun, aplay means alsaplayer?
[05:59] <crimsun> mrc3: no, the binary /usr/bin/aplay
[05:59] <hobocop> sup people
[05:59] <crimsun> mrc3: as in: aplay -Dplughw:0,0 foo.wav
[05:59] <nickrud> seven_six_two, try deleting  /var/cache/apt/archives/lock
[05:59] <seven_six_two> k
[05:59] <WillySilly> is there a way to generate a new status file for apt?
[06:01] <dataw0lf> TwEeT: there have been several various projects to this effect.
[06:01] <SQL_Sam> okay i just read something about ram and swap partitions - i didnt do any partitioning.  can someone guide me to what the hell I should do as I would really like to make this box scream as fast as i can
[06:01] <dataw0lf> do a google for NetMD and Linux
[06:02] <seven_six_two> nickrud, that got me a step farther. thanks. but how do you install dpkg without dpkg installed?
[06:02] <fazer> SQL_Sam: its a BIOS thing I guess.  Your BIOS isn't set to check for ram upon startup.
[06:02] <nickrud> seven_six_two, what's the next error
[06:03] <seven_six_two> i'll put the whole thing in flood
[06:03] <nickrud> k
[06:03] <Sianis> hi all
[06:03] <mrc3> crimsun, great! if i don't get any sound from it, but loads of sound from gaim, what could be wrong? same happens with mpg321 and almost everything else
[06:04] <nomasteryoda> what is the default run mode for ubuntu? rc3, 4 or 5?
[06:04] <sheena> how do i add programs to startup>?
[06:04] <sheena> or get programs to start at logon?
[06:04] <crimsun> mrc3: if you're in gnome, it's due to esd blocking /dev/dsp
[06:04] <b2s> nomasteryoda: strangely, rc2
[06:04] <nomasteryoda> ok
[06:04] <nomasteryoda> that is odd
[06:04] <nomasteryoda> but thanks
[06:04] <abarbaccia> hey all - question - is the default i386 install done by ubuntu 5.04 have an smp kernel installed?
[06:04] <nomasteryoda> now I can make my i855GM video work right
[06:04] <mrc3> crimsun, yeah, precisely. is there anything that could be done?
[06:05] <crimsun> mrc3: pkill esd
[06:05] <nnonix> abarbaccia, no
[06:05] <dr_willis> sheena,  what kind of programs?
[06:05] <seven_six_two> nickrud, it looks bad i think
[06:05] <nickrud> seven_six_two, ok sudo mkdir /var/lib/dpkg /updates  and try again.
[06:05] <seven_six_two> ok
[06:05] <abarbaccia> nnonix, do you know the apt-get package name to install it? or do i need to compile?
[06:05] <sheena> firewall
[06:05] <nnonix> abarbaccia, what processor?
[06:05] <sheena> update manager
[06:06] <abarbaccia> p4
[06:06] <nickrud> seven_six_two, I hope you didn't leave the space :)
[06:06] <seven_six_two> lol...nope. typed it out
[06:06] <abarbaccia> w. >1 gb ram
[06:06] <dr_willis> sheena,  firewalling stuff is normally ran by the various runlevels.  so when you install the firewall package with apt-get it should add the right stuff automaticially.
[06:06] <abarbaccia> incase there is an optimized kernel for that
[06:06] <sheena> awesome
[06:06] <sheena> thanks
[06:07] <Raskall> Made a brochure for my business idea. Appreciate some input: http://rolfas.net/Smubuntu-brosjyre-eng-1.png
[06:07] <IIIEars> firestarter or shorewall is best?
[06:07] <Raskall> warning: 1.5 MB file.
[06:07] <sheena> i like firestarter havne't tryed shorewall
[06:07] <mrc3> crimsun, thanks a lot!! that was the answer i was looking for!
[06:07] <IIIEars> are there better apps fore generating netfilter scripts?
[06:07] <mrc3> i thought it was going to be all integrated
[06:08] <speedy2782> I am trying to access my linux laptop from a windows laptop through a wireless network connection but I can not find the linux lappy on the network. Is there another shortcut or step I am missing. I am able to find the XP laptop from linux...not the other way around.
[06:08] <nickrud> IIIEars, firestarter *just works* , shorewall is better for servers.
[06:09] <IIIEars> Thank You
[06:09] <nnonix> abarbaccia, sudo apt-get install linux-686-smp
[06:09] <nnonix> abarbaccia, then reboot
[06:09] <abarbaccia> thank you - appreciate it - dont need to edit grub.conf?
[06:10] <seven_six_two> nickrud, a few steps later, and more errors for flood. i touched a file it said was nonexistant.....i'll post once more
[06:10] <nnonix> abarbaccia, no, it will boot to the newer kernel. After you are sure you are happy with it, you could modify grub.conf to remove references to the 386 kernel .... completely up to you.
[06:10] <abarbaccia> nnonix, thanks, appreciate it - quick question as to your preference - u use gnome or kde and why?
[06:11] <speedy2782> does anyone have any advice while I puruse wiki
[06:11] <nnonix> abarbaccia, I use gnome because its default in ubuntu, fedora, redhat, solaris10, etc.
[06:11] <inc> anyone try to install ubuntu on gmail?
[06:12] <nnonix> abarbaccia, I'm not married to gnome for any mystical reasons
[06:12] <abarbaccia> nnonix, i just switched from mandrake which uses kde - and i like gnome for the same exact reason, but some apps you can't argue with (amarok, k3b...)
[06:12] <crimsun> inc: err...?
[06:12] <abarbaccia> alright - i'm gonna reboot - thanks for the input nnonix big help
[06:12] <inc> lol well you know how ou can mount gmail as a mount point in linux
[06:12] <nnonix> abarb, np
[06:13] <inc> or windwos for that matter
[06:13] <holycow> hey, does ubuntu put home on a different partition by default?  the d-i partitioner shows no indications of anything other than a single partition and swap space being created on install
[06:14] <crimsun> holycow: by default, it's one whoppin' /
[06:14] <astro76> holycow: it puts everything on /
[06:14] <seven_six_two> sorry...it was asking for debconf when i try to install dpkg
[06:14] <seven_six_two> the current error is in #flood
[06:14] <synic> hey folks - I'm having a little trouble with hoary.  Every once in a while, something happens that makes it so I can't run commands.
[06:14] <synic> even ps fax hangs
[06:15] <nickrud> seven_six_two, ok, lets try this
[06:15] <holycow> astro76, crimsun ah, thats what i thought, thanks
[06:15] <nickrud> cd /var/cashe/apt/archies
[06:15] <nickrud> cd /var/cashe/apt/archives
[06:15] <inc> crimsun: check this out http://hackaday.com/entry/1234000990039809/
[06:15] <nickrud> dpkg -i dpkg<tab>
[06:15] <synic> anyone have any idea of what it could be?
[06:15] <holycow> how many gigs is the full debian testing? 12 cds right? so 20 gigs should be enough for the / partition right?
[06:15] <nickrud> cd /var/cache/apt/archives
[06:15] <seven_six_two> wait a sec
[06:15] <seven_six_two> i messed up the paste
[06:16] <flodine> someone trying to hack my sh....t
[06:17] <speedy2782> what do I need to do to find the ubuntu laptop on a windows network
[06:17] <abinadid> hello anybody running xlink kai??
 I AM!
[06:17] <seven_six_two> nickrud, i did that but tabbing didn't select anything for me
[06:17] <SQL_Sam> what reason would there be for firefox to be running slow or timing out?
[06:18] <inc> you need to setup a samba shared i think speedy2782
[06:18] <nickrud> seven_six_two, don't worry about that, it's something we'll talk about later.
[06:18] <seven_six_two> speedy2782, are you running samba server?
[06:18] <seven_six_two> nickrud, ok
[06:18] <aspuru> join #skype
[06:18] <speedy2782> 762' I dont know if I am or not
[06:18] <speedy2782> it is installed though
[06:18] <nickrud> seven_six_two, ls dpkg*
[06:18] <inc> firefox gmail plugin rock
[06:18] <seven_six_two> nickrud, same dir?
[06:18] <nickrud> yes
[06:19] <aspuru> does anybody have experience or trouble with skype + home routers/firewalls?
[06:19] <seven_six_two> no such file or dir
[06:19] <SQL_Sam> there is a gmail plugin for linux? cool!
[06:19] <nickrud> seven_six_two, is there anything in /var/cache/apt/archives?
[06:19] <speedy2782> what command would I use to access the laptop?
[06:19] <seven_six_two> yes. lots of deb files
[06:19] <speedy2782> from XP?
[06:20] <nickrud> but no dpkg*
[06:20] <inc> yup got a notifier for firefox.. even check my adsense
 i need some help
[06:20] <Raskall> SQL_Sam: You can actually mount your gmail as a drive on your machine with the gfs file system
[06:20] <seven_six_two> nope
[06:20] <nickrud> how about debconf*
[06:20] <seven_six_two> just the doc
[06:21] <inc> Raskall: you got the url on that? i was looking for docs to set that up. I'm using the windows version.. works pretty well
[06:21] <seven_six_two> debconf-doc_1.4.42ubuntu4_all.deb
[06:21] <slappy16> you guys having fun?
[06:21] <nickrud> slappy16 gets slapped
[06:21] <slappy16> *gasp*
[06:21] <nickrud> unless he has the fix :)
 ya
[06:21] <slappy16> is this related to the apt issue he had earlier?
[06:21] <Raskall> inc: I just read about it on freshmeat some weeks ago. hang on
[06:21] <seven_six_two> yes
[06:22] <inc> mmm frshmeat
[06:22] <SQL_Sam> what is a gfs file system - sorry I'm way noob
 i need a litle help tryng to install it
[06:22] <nekohayo> is someone unable to mount USB drives on breezy right now?
[06:22] <nickrud> same thing, we're further along, if you'll take a look at #flood
[06:22] <inc> yeah saw something on /. too
[06:22] <speedy2782> what command do I type in windows to access the ubuntu laptop
[06:22] <SQL_Sam> i like slashdot
[06:22] <seven_six_two> i can post again if you'd like
[06:22] <seven_six_two> speedy2782, you have to run a samba server
[06:22] <slappy16> ill go through it
[06:22] <seven_six_two> and set up the workgroup
[06:22] <speedy2782> what is a samba server. and how do I run it
[06:23] <nickrud> slaps are reversed
[06:23] <SQL_Sam> windows file share
[06:23] <seven_six_two> samba is how linux shares with windows
[06:23] <Raskall> inc: cant seem to find it again. Am not sure where I read about it.. sorry
 Sry, I can't help you know, bed time, catch me tomorrow, or PM me
[06:23] <TwEeT> later
[06:23] <TwEeT> read as much as you can
[06:23] <inc> found it in /. it links to this http://richard.jones.name/google-hacks/gmail-filesystem/gmail-filesystem.html
[06:23] <abinadid> wait
[06:24] <abinadid> this is my email
[06:24] <htaccess> speedy2782: what do you mean by access? shell access, accessing the files, or perhaps access to the gui desktop
[06:24] <abinadid> abimendez@gmail.com
[06:24] <crimsun> inc: you need to install gmailfs
[06:24] <Raskall> inc: http://richard.jones.name/google-hacks/gmail-filesystem/gmail-filesystem.html
[06:25] <abinadid> so if you have time writeme and email with some instructions  (i'm a newbie on linux)
[06:25] <inc> reading though that now Raskall
[06:25] <WillySilly> is there a way to generate a new status file for apt?
[06:26] <Raskall> inc: google came through for me again. She's a good friend.
[06:26] <Raskall> :)
[06:26] <kakalto> ubuntu handles unreal tournament nicely :D
[06:26] <tux> cool
[06:26] <SQL_Sam> I'm soooo frustrated trying to figure out why firefox is being so weird - I can open a link from when someone posts one here - but if i open firefox from my desktop and simply type in www.google.com - it will just time out!
[06:27] <thr1ce> anyone running breezy ?
[06:27] <flodine> what do i need for my alsa and ogg sound to work
[06:27] <inc> lol google is the microsoft's little brother.. wait till it grows up lol j/k
[06:27] <crimsun> thr1ce: yes, why?
[06:27] <thr1ce> crimsun, is it pretty stable yet ?
[06:27] <SQL_Sam> it is a nice search engine non the less and it is timing out - hell if I cant open google forget my pron ;-)
[06:28] <crimsun> thr1ce: for me, yes. I expect flux for a while, though.
[06:28] <seven_six_two> ah where is sources again? etc/???/apt?
[06:28] <seven_six_two> nm
[06:28] <dAsTrO> hi
[06:28] <thr1ce> crimsun, I can just change every hoary in /etc/apt/sources.list to breezy ?
[06:28] <abinadid> besides tweet anyone else running xlink kai?????
[06:28] <crimsun> thr1ce: yes, but I'd hold off doing that.
[06:29] <thr1ce> crimsun, why?  I want some updated stuff
[06:29] <hoodieboy711> hey
[06:29] <abinadid> i really need some help running this packcage
[06:30] <crimsun> thr1ce: *shrug* Don't say I didn't warn ya.
[06:30] <thr1ce> crimsun, hehe, k :)
[06:31] <thr1ce> crimsun, it's a fresh install; if I screw it up, i'm not out anything
[06:31] <hoodieboy711> i have 2 80 gb satas on a raid controller as a raid 0 and im running windows x64 right now on it, and id like to use a secondary partition for ubuntu x64, when try to install ubuntu i just see the individual hdds instead of a single raided one or indiviual partitions
[06:31] <hoodieboy711> anyone know how to get the install to identify a hardware raid over individual drives?
[06:32] <hoodieboy711> anyone? hardware raid install?
[06:33] <inc> crimsun: you ever use ipod shuffle raid? http://www.wrightthisway.com/Articles/000154.html
[06:33] <HrdwrBoB> hoodieboy711: that's because it's not raid
[06:33] <HrdwrBoB> hoodieboy711: it's not hardware raid at all
[06:33] <yoink23> excuse me, im having trouble getting write permission to a fat 32 partition, any tips?
[06:34] <slappy16> im really questioning the default install/enabled packages/services of hoary
[06:34] <Jeezis> hello all
[06:34] <Jeezis> i have a quick question regarding kwifimanager
[06:34] <calc> hoodieboy711: you are probably using bios raid which is just a different type of software raid, you can get around it by using dmraid module in linux but i don't know if the installer supports it
[06:34] <slappy16> lvm, raid, postfix...no ssh
[06:34] <HrdwrBoB> inc: hahah... or you could get a mini
[06:35] <rattboi> slappy16, I know what you mean
[06:35] <Clyde> kiuvole
[06:35] <Jeezis> how do you make kwifimanager switch channels?
[06:35] <calc> http://people.redhat.com/~heinzm/sw/dmraid/
[06:35] <thr1ce> crimsun, we'll see I suppose
[06:36] <thr1ce> crimsun, what do you expect, this to just not even load ?
[06:36] <crimsun> inc: I don't have an ipod
[06:36] <crimsun> thr1ce: it should work just fine
[06:36] <Jeezis> i have a wlan set up but for some reason kwifimanager only scans channel 6, my router is channel 11
[06:36] <inc> HrdwrBoB well it's better than floppy raid http://ohlssonvox.8k.com/fdd_raid.htm
[06:36] <thr1ce> crimsun, should I update the kernel to a 2.6.11 too ?
[06:37] <WillySilly> is there a way to generate a new status file for apt?
[06:37] <evilmegaman> Hi, Does anyone use cedega in here? the cedega channel isn't responding :(
[06:37] <crimsun> thr1ce: no.
[06:37] <Jeezis> is there a better client to control my wireless card than kwifimanager?
[06:38] <darGor> i apt-getted xmms and mplayer. both, when i start there, just freeze. anyone know why dont work ??
[06:38] <crimsun> WillySilly: use dselect.
[06:38] <crimsun> darGor: change your output plugin to esound
[06:38] <thr1ce> crimsun, why not ?
[06:38] <WillySilly> then what?
[06:38] <crimsun> thr1ce: because it's not supported.
[06:38] <darGor> crimsun: oki i'll try that, thanks!
[06:38] <storekro> How can I do an automatic installation of a server install?  Whenever I do it, I get desktop.
[06:38] <crimsun> thr1ce: and ubuntu will not be altering it.
[06:38] <slappy16> rattboi: no kidding...and try finding a complete vnc and ncurses4-dev
[06:38] <thr1ce> crimsun, is ubuntu just waiting for 2.6.12 ?
[06:39] <hoodieboy711> anyone know how to get ubuntu to install on a hardware raid?
[06:39] <crimsun> thr1ce: work is pretty much done with 2.6.12rc2+, yes
[06:39] <rattboi> slappy16, I was gonna look for a decent VNC tomorrow
[06:39] <Jeezis> hoodieboy711: i installed it on a hardware raid 1+0 stripe no problem just using default settings
[06:40] <WillySilly> crimsun, then what do i do?
[06:40] <slappy16> heh...
[06:40] <slappy16> vnc-common - Virtual network computing server software
[06:40] <slappy16> xvncviewer - Virtual network computing client software for X
[06:40] <hoodieboy711> Jeezis: when i try to install, instead of identifying a single raided drive i see the sda1 and sda2
[06:40] <slappy16> thats it
[06:40] <thr1ce> rimhehe, alright
[06:40] <crimsun> WillySilly: erm, update, then quit
[06:41] <thr1ce> crimsun, *
[06:41] <Jeezis> hoodieboy711: what kind of setup are you using?
[06:41] <hoodieboy711> Jeezis: ubuntu warty 64-bit (AMD64) install
[06:41] <Jeezis> hoodieboy711: what raid setup are you using>
[06:42] <WillySilly> didnt work
[06:42] <discord> crimsun do you think my wireless will work?
[06:42] <discord> and notbook powermanagment features of ubuntu
[06:42] <discord> after the apt-get dist upgrade
[06:43] <hoodieboy711> Jeezis: i have 2 80 GB Western digital satas, on a Silicon Image 3114 raid controller and both are set in a raid 0 with 64k chuck striping
[06:43] <kalag> hello guys! what do i need to change to set the default editor to vi instead of nano?
[06:43] <hoodieboy711> Jeezis: then i have 4 partitions, one for x64 xp pro, one for xp pro, one for ubuntu, then one for storage, everything is active and running except for the ubuntu
[06:43] <crimsun> kalag: export EDITOR=vi in ~/.bashrc
[06:43] <storekro> Where are the debian installer preseed file gurus when you need them?
[06:44] <Jeezis> hmmm, i had a problem with having my bios set with the drives as sata
[06:44] <crimsun> storekro: in u-d
[06:44] <WillySilly> fuck
[06:44] <storekro> I'll try there
[06:44] <crimsun> discord: no idea. If it/they breaks, file bug reports.
[06:44] <Jeezis> hoodieboy711: but i'm running a sager 9860-s laptop, so the hardware is probably configured differently
[06:44] <hoodieboy711> Jeezis: my problem isnt with the sata drives or controller but with the ubuntu install looking past the hardware raid controller and straight to the drives themselves, so i see 2 drives instead of one with 4 partitions
[06:45] <Jeezis> hoodieboy711: ah! sorry
[06:45] <Jeezis> hoodieboy711: hmmm
[06:46] <hoodieboy711> damn i hate rebuilding computer OSs from the ground up with dialup
[06:46] <hoodieboy711> sucks so much
[06:46] <nnonix> hoodieboy711, check this out http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-2557.html
[06:48] <itay> hi!
[06:48] <itay> how do I install the nvidia driver?
[06:48] <itay> should I do it with apt-get?
[06:48] <beh> i downloaded icons for gnome from gnome-look.org how do i install them?
[06:48] <itay> or download from nvidia site?
[06:49] <inc> mm dialup
[06:49] <hoodieboy711> Jeezis: thanks, ill have to check that out again soon
[06:49] <FR500> itay:  synaptic is fine
[06:49] <inc> aight peace out homies
[06:49] <FR500> itay:  follow www.ubuntuguide.org
[06:49] <itay> which package is the driver?
[06:49] <beh> how do i use an icon package i downloaded in gnome?
[06:50] <FR500> itay:  read above
[06:50] <FR500> beh, i think you can drag it over the themes window
[06:51] <itay> I can't access that site
[06:51] <beh> ok i got it
[06:51] <itay> maybe it's down now?
[06:52] <FR500> itay:  i can access just fine
[06:53] <FR500> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#installnvidiadriver
[06:54] <Hobocop> hey internet
[06:54] <Hobocop> no memos I guess I am just not popular enough
[06:54] <Hobocop> oh god I am crying
[06:54] <nnonix> abarbaccia, are you smp'ing now?
[06:55] <abarbaccia> nnonix, indeed - much improvement may i add
[06:55] <nnonix> abarbaccia, great
[06:56] <abarbaccia> i was working on my friends laptop today - got him to try out ubuntu - on his laptop - dell 700m - really nice laptop - got the wireless working, now just getting the widescreen working and he'll be in great shape
[06:56] <abarbaccia> battery life in gnome is amazing compared to M$ - he had it with him for 5+ hours with no problems (doing hw and stuff - webbrowsing and normal usage)
[06:57] <IIIEars> Hello! :) - i have a bunch of obvious (annoying?) newbie questions. - Can someone please point me to a good irc network/#channel?
[06:57] <Hobocop> this one
[06:57] <abarbaccia> brb
[06:57] <Hobocop> there are a lot of newbies here, including myself
[06:57] <Hobocop> but they are very nice here
[06:57] <kyle_> a newtowrk/#channel for what?
[06:57] <Hobocop> asking his newbie questions
[06:57] <Hobocop> which is what this is for
[06:57] <FR500> IIIEars:  asking the question works just fine here
[06:57] <Hobocop> sup kyle
[06:58] <itay> I install nvidia driver, thank you
[06:58] <itay> I have a problem with the sound
[06:58] <FR500> itay:  worked fine?
[06:58] <Hobocop> see this is why I think we need an irc channel
[06:58] <IIIEars> #I_am_a_completely_green_linux_newbie
[06:58] <Hobocop> many peoples are a talking
[06:58] <FR500> itay:  in what game or what?
[06:58] <Hobocop> III I have had ubuntu installed since sunday
[06:58] <FR500> IIIEars:  i was 1 month ago, and still am
[06:58] <itay> also in that game
[06:58] <FR500> itay:  what game?
[06:58] <itay> et
[06:58] <Hobocop> the newbie game
[06:58] <thr1ce> crimsun, it doesnt' like Perl stuff I guess
[06:58] <FR500> et?
[06:59] <whaq> just shoot the damn questions
[06:59] <itay> it stuck at start
[06:59] <thr1ce> I see logs warnings and errors
[06:59] <itay> in the console I can see that it is doing something with the sound
[06:59] <IIIEars> I want to install a file using file roller how do i do it? (lol - remember you said i could ask annoying questions)
[06:59] <itay> I also got an error while trying ruuning a java application that using sound
[07:00] <whaq> IIIEars, what's a file roller? and what file are you trying to install?
[07:00] <itay> javax.sound.midi.MidiUnavailableException: Audio Device Unavailable
[07:00] <IIIEars> xscrabble
[07:00] <FR500> itay:  in the multimiedia systems selector, try the different sound pipelines, for games most lilely requiere alsa or oss, if they dont work you need to fix them first
[07:01] <Hobocop> Kyle_
[07:01] <itay> I tried to run alsaconf, but the command doesn't exist
[07:01] <kyle_> ya hobo?
[07:01] <FR500> itay:  did you tried what i said?
[07:01] <Hobocop> query me
[07:01] <IIIEars> synaptic i installed scrabble but don't know how to start it.
[07:01] <itay> what is the multimiedia systems selector
[07:02] <FR500> in preferences menu i think
[07:02] <whaq> IIIEars, it should show up in your apps menu - else try running it from the shell/command prompt
[07:02] <sperm> why are the ubuntu server so damn slow?
[07:02] <FR500> sperm:  which server?
[07:02] <itay> I am using KDE, does it make different?
[07:02] <sperm> and ummm apt-get install fluxbox is not working :(
[07:02] <FR500> download?
[07:02] <IIIEars> okay "scrabble -start"  ???
[07:02] <FR500> itay:  i never used kde
[07:03] <whaq> xscrabble&
[07:03] <sperm> too lazy to manually intstall it
[07:03] <itay> so do you know the command?
[07:03] <sperm> 34% [1 Packages 877725/2580kB 34%]                                 8912B/s 3m10s
[07:03] <sperm> pffttt...
[07:03] <IIIEars> just "xscrabble&" ???
[07:04] <FR500> itay:  yo need to be sure that alsa and oss work
[07:04] <whaq> IIIEars, xscra [tab]  .. see what comes up
[07:04] <FR500> try some media player or something
[07:04] <abarbaccia> anybody know how to configure an intellimouse in ubuntu / got it to work
[07:04] <abarbaccia> ?
[07:04] <kyle_> question to anyone: i am having problems playing mp3s with xmms, using intel ich (alsa), xmms freezes when i try to play an mp3
[07:04] <IIIEars> << grateful to Ubuntu developers for making a firewall simple to install.
[07:04] <sperm> fr500 know how to get a good apt-get source list?
[07:04] <holycow> i'm downloading at 300 k a sec sperm ... i think theres something wrong with your connection
[07:05] <sperm> holycow, not at all.
[07:05] <IIIEars> okay - i'll do that. - Thanks
[07:05] <slappy16> IIIEars: whatcha settle on for firewalling? firestarter? shorewall?
[07:06] <IIIEars> firestarter - then removed and settled with shorewall
[07:06] <IIIEars> still curious about an app to build a netfilter script.
[07:06] <slappy16> good!
[07:06] <darGor> just a question. i just installed GAIM 1.2.1, but, how to see the contact's user photo, and set up MY photo ?
[07:06] <slappy16> check it out sometime
[07:07] <kyle_> question to anyone: i am having problems playing mp3s with xmms, using intel ich (alsa), xmms freezes when i try to play an mp3
[07:07] <holycow> what can i tell you, they seem to be only slow for you
[07:07] <crimsun> kyle_: change the output plugin to esound
[07:07] <darGor> kyle_: esound
[07:07] <darGor> crimsun: yeah that works, im listening my mp3s thanks you :p
[07:08] <IIIEars> Kudos to Ubuntu  :)
[07:08] <IIIEars> Thanks guys
[07:09] <kyle_> crimsun & darGor: that worked out great, thanks
[07:09] <crimsun> kyle_: np
[07:10] <itay> FR500, I think alsa works fine, cause I can hear sounds, I think the problem is just with Midis
[07:10] <seven_six_two> ok
[07:10] <itay> but I still can't run et
[07:10] <FR500> itay:  how do you know if the prog is using alsa?
[07:11] <nickrud> seven_six_two, I'm here because james troup is and they gave me 10 free cds, and I ended up liking it
[07:11] <itay> FR500, no
[07:11] <seven_six_two> i have a new flood for ya though. it looks the same
[07:11] <itay> I don't know. how can I check it?
[07:12] <seven_six_two> i cpoied that file and tried apt again
[07:12] <nickrud> any luck?
[07:12] <seven_six_two> not yet. wanna see new flood?
[07:13] <itay> alsamixer shows my sound card
[07:13] <nickrud> pastebin!
[07:13] <seven_six_two> rafb?
[07:13] <nickrud> ok
[07:13] <FR500> itay:  dunno man, zero problems with ubuntu and sound here
[07:14] <nickrud> slappy11, you flooder
[07:14] <wnaLinux> hi
[07:14] <seven_six_two> http://rafb.net/paste/results/L642IZ98.html
[07:14] <seven_six_two> lol
[07:15] <wnaLinux> I have a problem with setting my dns, in resolv..conf it everytime I reboot it is overwritten
[07:15] <seven_six_two> maybe delete all of /var/cache/apt/archives?
[07:15] <wnaLinux> can someone jelp me?
[07:15] <wnaLinux> help*
[07:15] <Hobocop> no we all hate you
[07:15] <Hobocop> sorry :\
[07:15] <slappy11> i flooded??
[07:15] <wnaLinux> . . .
[07:15] <slappy11> i got kicked
[07:15] <seven_six_two> rotflmao.....not funny
[07:15] <CheeseBall> with what wnaLinux
[07:15] <wnaLinux> can someone jelp me?
[07:15] <nickrud> anyone recognize this error?: dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libdb1-compat_2.1.3-7_i386.deb (--unpack):
[07:15] <nickrud>  unable to create updated files list file for package libdb1-compat: No such file or directory
[07:16] <wnaLinux> my dns
[07:16] <CheeseBall> shit i have no idea
[07:16] <nickrud> yeah, you wrote the least, so they picked on you:_
[07:16] <Hobocop> sorry 762 lmao
[07:16] <FR500> wnaLinux:  be explicit
[07:16] <wnaLinux> well my resolv.conf file is overweritten every time I reboot
[07:17] <FR500> change your dns in the network settings applet
[07:17] <wnaLinux> in gnome
[07:17] <wnaLinux> ?
[07:17] <seven_six_two> wnaLinux, at least you don't have my dpkg problems
[07:17] <slappy11> wait, so that status file didnt make a difference?
[07:17] <seven_six_two> nope
[07:17] <wnaLinux> ? seven doesent help
[07:17] <seven_six_two> i could try 4
[07:17] <slappy11> christ
[07:18] <FR500> wnaLinux:  yes
[07:18] <wnaLinux> thatt doesent work
[07:18] <wnaLinux> I tryed that
[07:19] <sperm> okie dokie my java works
[07:19] <sperm> now the nvidia shit.
[07:19] <seven_six_two> wait...is it supposed to be called dpkg.status
[07:19] <seven_six_two> or dpkg.status.#
[07:19] <seven_six_two> or maybe just status
[07:19] <nickrud> no, I've got plain old status
[07:20] <fejaor> how do you install the drivers for a Voice modem in ubuntu?? I have the cd with the drivers but still cannot figure out how to install them
[07:20] <wnaLinux> FR500: maybe I did it wrong can walk me through it
[07:20] <jair_11> hello guys?
[07:20] <slappy11> plain status
[07:20] <nickrud> seven_six_two, I think you are totally screwed.
[07:20] <jair_11> I am getting the sound of the system the drum each time I do a configuration change but I can not listen cds?
[07:20] <Shufla> hello
[07:20] <jair_11> mp3s
[07:20] <slappy11> :(
[07:21] <slappy11> theres got to be a way
[07:21] <FR500> wnaLinux:  system-administration-networking
[07:21] <seven_six_two> it worked!!
[07:21] <seven_six_two> for dpkg
[07:21] <jair_11> anyone know what is wrong with xmms and the ubuntu?
[07:21] <seven_six_two> no error....now debconf
[07:21] <wnaLinux> FR500: ok im there
[07:21] <sperm> archive.ubuntu.com
[07:21] <sperm> is slow as my nuts
[07:21] <fejaor> how do you install the drivers for a Voice modem in ubuntu?? I have the cd with the drivers but still cannot figure out how to install them
[07:21] <nickrud> I hate wating
[07:21] <jair_11> ubuntu recignize the dual gigabit card built in on my lap top
[07:21] <seven_six_two> slappy11, and nickrud fixed it!
[07:21] <FR500> DNS
[07:21] <jair_11> but the sound is not working properly?
[07:21] <FR500> and add your dnss
[07:21] <slappy11> whats the debconf error?
[07:22] <wnaLinux> k
[07:22] <slappy11> wait.so what did you do that worked?
[07:22] <seven_six_two> same as i've been posting
[07:22] <slappy11> im slappy11 now..crap
[07:22] <slappy11> ohh
[07:22] <seven_six_two> tried to apt-get install dpkg
[07:22] <wnaLinux> add search domains too?
[07:22] <SQL_Sam> I have memtotal 313684kb what is recomended?
[07:22] <seven_six_two> and debconf
[07:22] <slappy11> well, how about this
[07:22] <fejaor> how can I install any program downloaded form the web??
[07:22] <jair_11> anyone know why the configuration of the sound is not working?
[07:23] <seven_six_two> i get no more errors. i was trying to install mplayer before when i noticed all the errors
[07:23] <Hobocop> flying cars holy crap
[07:23] <abarbaccia> hey guys - i mounted my ntfs partition as read only - and i want to be able to access it but i do not have permissions (as regular user, but in fstab, i put user in the entry)
[07:23] <jair_11> and i install xmms to listen the mp3s and it get freeze I have to "killall xmms"
[07:23] <nickrud> so install something else, and tell ut it works
[07:23] <seven_six_two> k. i'll go for mplayer, although i've heard it's not fun
[07:24] <FR500> jair_11:  maybe it freezes when gaim has an event?
[07:24] <abarbaccia> fejaor, what file type is it
[07:24] <slappy11> how is it working now?
[07:24] <nicedreams> abarbaccia, set     umask=022    as an option when mounting your ntfs drive
[07:24] <slappy11> nickrud:?
[07:24] <jair_11> FR500, nope gaim is not even running
[07:24] <abarbaccia> nicedreams, thanks
[07:24] <seven_six_two> testing now
[07:24] <fejaor> well let's say is a patch for the kernel or some other program I download from the web
[07:24] <jair_11> it freeze when I press the play botton
[07:24] <FR500> jair_11:  some other prog that uses sound?
[07:24] <nickrud> slappy11, yeah
[07:24] <FR500> jair_11:  no clue then
[07:24] <jair_11> yes the system sound
[07:24] <fejaor> Im also don't know how to install the drivers from a CD for my voice modem
[07:24] <FR500> jair_11:  i use beep media player btw, way more user oriented
[07:25] <jair_11> FR500, the system sound is working perfect, but not the cd player or mp3 or web sites with sound.
[07:25] <FR500> jair_11:  check the multimedia systems selector panel
[07:25] <FR500> try another audio architecture
[07:25] <jair_11> FR500, what is the name "beep"?
[07:25] <FR500> jair_11:  beep-media-player
[07:25] <jair_11> hmmm
[07:25] <jair_11> ok
[07:25] <jair_11> I will check that
[07:26] <fejaor> so?
[07:26] <nickrud> slappy11, how do you get back your old name?
[07:27] <fejaor> Im also don't know how to install the drivers from a CD for my voice modem
[07:28] <seven_six_two> ouch. mplayer is nasty for prerequisites
[07:28] <nickrud> slappy11, you asked how I got into ubuntu: I saw james troup worked here, asked for the cd, and liked it.
[07:29] <fazer> I can't sleep and I blame you all!
[07:30] <fazer> same
[07:30] <fejaor> anyone who can help me with my problems???
[07:30] <fejaor> :S
[07:30] <abarbaccia> nicedreams, what does the 022 correspond to btw?
[07:31] <nicedreams> abarbaccia, setting users to have read access
[07:32] <seven_six_two> nickrud, slappy11 :        http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/sAsMV965.html
[07:32] <abarbaccia> nicedreams, thanks again
[07:33] <nickrud> seven_six_two, aaaahhhhh!!!!!!!!!!
[07:33] <fejaor> :S
[07:33] <fejaor> anyone who can help me with my problems???
[07:33] <seven_six_two> oh yes, oh yes
[07:34] <seven_six_two> nickrud, but its different. thats a step
[07:34] <nickrud> seven_six_two, I have never seen an error message like that
[07:34] <nickrud>  attention all dpkg masters: please look at http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/sAsMV965.html
[07:34] <seven_six_two> nickrud, you've probably never trashed your system as expertly as i
[07:35] <IIIEars> lol @seven
[07:35] <nickrud> slappy11, you missed it:http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/sAsMV965.html
[07:35] <crimsun> nickrud: apt-get --reinstall install $thosePackages
[07:36] <SQL_Sam> can anyone tell me if memtotal 313684kb with swapfree/swaptotal 835340 is okay?
[07:36] <seven_six_two> they are still there
[07:36] <sperm> where is the 500 guy at?
[07:36] <IIIEars> apt-get --reinstall install scrabble
[07:36] <seven_six_two> crimsun, it's some kind of index problem, as the programs listed are installed and working
[07:36] <nickrud> seven_six_two, it may take a while but I'd do what crimsun says, or reinstall
[07:36] <sperm> anyone here good with fluxbox?
[07:36] <slappy11> hah
[07:36] <IIIEars> ? would that be the right command
[07:37] <sperm> or anyone here good with ummm Xwindows?
[07:37] <slappy11> wow
[07:37] <slappy11> i did miss it
[07:37] <crimsun> seven_six_two: yes, that's fixed by either reinstalling the packages to refresh the list or by a lot of shell-fu
[07:37] <seven_six_two> nickrud, it's be way faster to reinstall. thats pages of pkgs
[07:37] <slappy11> the ppl in #debian remind me of bsd folk
[07:37] <sperm> ubuntu dosent use ummm
[07:37] <sperm> root as anything correct.
[07:37] <sperm> its all sydo this
[07:37] <slappy11> theres got to be a way
[07:37] <slappy11> hah
[07:38] <sperm> i wanna reconfigure my gdm display theme.
[07:38] <sperm> its is asking me for the root psswd
[07:38] <sperm> and i was not able to set the root passwd
[07:38] <nickrud> shell fu
[07:38] <seven_six_two> whats shell fu
[07:38] <sperm> if i change the root passwd will everything still work?
[07:38] <nickrud> not my speciality
[07:38] <Dethread> should
[07:38] <sperm> everything uses sudo correct?
[07:38] <Dethread> no
[07:38] <nickrud> like kung fu, only on the cuputer
[07:39] <sperm> so i can change the root passwd :P
[07:39] <seven_six_two> lol
[07:39] <Dethread> yeah
[07:39] <slappy11> ok
[07:39] <slappy11> ok
[07:39] <seven_six_two> sperm, the new root pwd will only be used for su thopugh
[07:39] <SQL_Sam> would there be a reason that google or other sites time out?  I can get to some web pages but these seem to always die and time out?
[07:39] <crimsun> seven_six_two: why wasn't dpkg installed on your Hoary system?
[07:40] <seven_six_two> crimsun, it was, but something happened and i lost a lot. i think fsck did it
[07:40] <delltony> how do you determine what groups your in?
[07:40] <crimsun> delltony: groups
[07:40] <tga> howdy
[07:40] <seven_six_two> crimsun, and yes it was unmounted (boot dvd) when i used fsck
[07:41] <tga> any news on the broken cpufreq/powernowd?
[07:41] <SQL_Sam> how do you get kde instead of gnome?
[07:41] <Dethread> SQL_Sam, kubuntu :)
[07:41] <crimsun> SQL_Sam: aptitude install kubuntu-desktop
[07:41] <sperm> god damn fluxbox
[07:41] <delltony> oh i thugth that just listed all the groups
[07:42] <sperm> word
[07:42] <SQL_Sam> do aptitude install kubuntu-desktop at terminal? (sorry noob)
[07:42] <sperm> that archive site is slow as my left fucking nut
[07:42] <IIIEars> how do i find an installed program?
[07:42] <crimsun> SQL_Sam: sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop
[07:42] <crimsun> IIIEars: what do you mean, the binary or the package itself?
[07:42] <SQL_Sam> k
[07:43] <IIIEars> The program (embarassed)
[07:43] <SQL_Sam> another stupid question which is more/less memory hog
[07:43] <slappy11> seven_six_two: apt-get install -f `all-the-packages`
[07:43] <slappy11> nick, crimson?
[07:43] <nickrud> oooh
[07:43] <seven_six_two> hmmm....i think i'll just get sid
[07:44] <slappy11> im ready to delete my shit to try it out
[07:44] <slappy11> sid?
[07:44] <seven_six_two> lol.
[07:44] <seven_six_two> debian
[07:44] <slappy11> lol
[07:44] <Dethread> sid will kick you in the nuts, ubuntu will make sweet love to you
[07:44] <Dethread> :)
[07:44] <slappy11> sarge?
[07:44] <slappy11> nah
[07:44] <slappy11> i run sarge
[07:44] <Dethread> new woody just came out, r5
[07:44] <slappy11> im just playin w/ hoarty
[07:44] <seven_six_two> which is stable. i still have blueballs from stable
[07:44] <slappy11> UNSTABLE!
[07:44] <joh> uhm, why doesn't mdadm-raid start on boot? The /etc/rcS.d/S25mdadm-raid symlink exists...
[07:44] <slappy11> ALL THE WAY!
[07:45] <IIIEars> after apt-get install scrabble  scrabble was installed. scrabble& = Exit code 127
[07:45] <abarbaccia> hey - whats the latest version of openoffice?
[07:45] <slappy11> seven: i tell ya what...its all the same
[07:45] <Dethread> www.openoffice.org :)
[07:45] <slappy11> dpkg /var/lib/dpkg..same stuff
[07:45] <slappy11> i question the ubuntu packaging
[07:45] <IIIEars> lol - should i try something easier?
[07:45] <crimsun> slappy11: eh? what about the packaging?
[07:46] <slappy11> postfix, lvm, raid, no ssh?
[07:46] <slappy11> no vnc
[07:46] <slappy11> i dunnop
[07:46] <Dethread> hm? no ssh?
[07:46] <nickrud> crimsun, slappy11 has had a bad day, tried hard, he's pissed
[07:46] <slappy11> not default
[07:46] <seven_six_two> i tried 3.0r4 and would rather castrate myself than try it again
[07:46] <crimsun> slappy11: eh? why would a desktop need openssh-server by default?
[07:46] <slappy11> lol
[07:46] <Dethread> ah, default is another question
[07:46] <slappy11> why does a desktop need lvm?
[07:47] <Dethread> I want gcc by default
[07:47] <slappy11> lol..me too!
[07:47] <itay> I still have problems with mid, how can I play it?
[07:47] <abarbaccia> im saying - whats the newest version of openoffice included in the universe of ubuntu
[07:47] <SQL_Sam> can i run samba as a file share with my windows box if I didnt install as server?
[07:47] <seven_six_two> so 4.0 is unstable?
[07:47] <crimsun> slappy11: it's perfectly reasonble to think of lvm as HDs increase in size, allowing flexibility of configuration
[07:47] <abarbaccia> SQL_Sam, yes
[07:47] <crimsun> reasonable^
[07:47] <slappy11> all i know is that i change my /etc/apt/sources.list to unstable
[07:47] <itay> kmid says that it can't open /dev/sequencer
[07:48] <kakalto> has anyone had any luck installing IE under wine for web dev. ?
[07:48] <Dethread> seven_six_two, I tried 4.0 a few days ago and it didn't work well at all
[07:48] <seven_six_two> i'm going to have to get dvd iso
[07:48] <seven_six_two> aw crappy
[07:48] <slappy11> id say there's a huge percentage of people who would use sshd before lvm, as if most people even knew how to use lvm
[07:48] <crimsun> itay: sudo modprobe snd-seq
[07:48] <abarbaccia> kakalto, check out www.codeweavers.com
[07:48] <kakalto> FREE
[07:48] <seven_six_two> kakalto, don't develop for IE
[07:48] <_chavo> kakalto, it works with crossover
[07:48] <kakalto> with WINE
[07:48] <Dethread> seven_six_two, gcc 4.0 that is....dunno if you meant something else :)
[07:48] <seven_six_two> i meant debian
[07:48] <kakalto> crossover, I believe, costs money
[07:49] <slappy11> id much rather apt-get install lvm before i would opensshd
[07:49] <kakalto> if that's your answer, I might aswell jst reboot to develop for ie
[07:49] <crimsun> slappy11: the reason openssh-server is not installed corresponds with the reason neither build-essential, cvs, nor svn are installed
[07:49] <seven_six_two> IE is a horrible crime against the world
[07:49] <kakalto> but I don't like to develop under windows
[07:49] <kakalto> I know
[07:49] <slappy11> even openbsd isnt that strict
[07:49] <kakalto> seven_six_two, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't allow for it
[07:49] <aisipos> Anyone having trouble installing eric3 (python ide)?
[07:49] <Dethread> I understand the reasoning...but I'd still like it:)
[07:49] <kakalto> making IE not work is as bad as making gecko not work
[07:50] <Dethread> oh well, all those apps are just an "apt-get install" away
[07:50] <slappy11> build-essential would be nice, but i can understand cvs unless if people will use it for updating their sys
[07:50] <seven_six_two> kakalto, yes true, but making stuff work in IE means it may not work in others
[07:50] <crimsun> aisipos: what's wrong with it?
[07:50] <nate> why would you want to run IE on Linux though?
[07:50] <slappy11> how many ppl would even use cvs..dont tell me its installed
[07:50] <kakalto> nate, so I can get  my web page working with IE
[07:50] <nate> people who are going to be viewing a website in IE are going to be running Windows. Wouldn't it be smarter to test a website on an actual Windows box?
[07:50] <slappy11> why is nc or nmap installed, and no sshd
[07:50] <kakalto> to make sure it's compatible
[07:50] <IIIEars> there are a bunch of programs that run natively to check on how IE displays pages
[07:51] <kakalto> nate, I prefer to develop under linux
[07:51] <nate> hmm
[07:51] <kakalto> IIIEars, ?
[07:51] <nate> Frankly I'm amazed IE works even with CodeWeavers
[07:51] <seven_six_two> kakalto, you could always give them the beloved error "You must be running IE 5.0 to see this page"
[07:51] <kakalto> nate, Frankly I'm amazed IE works at all :P
[07:51] <nate> also, how legal is it to run IE on a non-Windows platform these days? Is it still allowed by the EULA?
[07:51] <aisipos> crimsun: unmet dependencies.
[07:52] <nate> I keep forgetting... I know MS keep changing EULAs for IE plugins
[07:52] <kakalto> nate, I think it's legal, so long as you own the Windows OS
[07:52] <nate> ah
[07:52] <aisipos> crimsun: python2.4-qtext: Depends: python2.4-qt3 (= 3.13-4ubuntu2) but it is not going to be installed
[07:52] <kakalto> I had a quick look through
[07:52] <Dethread> own as in..."own"?
[07:52] <Dethread> :)
[07:52] <kakalto> :)
[07:52] <tga> pwn
[07:52] <kakalto> IIIEars, what are these applications that show like IE under linux?
[07:52] <seven_six_two> haha...own as in you copied it off someone
[07:53] <Dethread> nah, I have 3 legit copies
[07:53] <kakalto> legitimately own WinXP: PE
[07:53] <kakalto> I have about 4 or 5
[07:53] <kakalto> from 3.11
[07:53] <nickrud> slappy11, you asked why I'm using ubuntu: james troup works here, I ordered the cd, and it works
[07:53] <kakalto> to XP
[07:53] <crimsun> slappy11: nmap is not installed by default.
[07:53] <aisipos> crimsun: then, after apt-get -f install, i get: dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/python2.4-qt3_3.13-4ubuntu2_i386.deb (--unpack):
[07:53] <aisipos>  trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/qtcanvas.so', which is also in package python-dcop
[07:53] <tga> so any news on the broken cpufreq/powernowd?
[07:53] <Dethread> I just kicked Win XP Tabled Edition off my tablet PC...Hoary doesn't run too well on it though...I'll try sarge next
[07:53] <crimsun> aisipos: I don't get any such errors...
[07:54] <kakalto> What is a native linux app that will show web pages the way IE does?
[07:54] <slappy11> oh, ya..whoops on the nmap
[07:54] <abarbaccia> is Ooo 2 beta released for ubuntu yet?
[07:55] <sheena> does kaffeine play .mov and .mwv files?
[07:55] <crimsun> abarbaccia: in hoary as openoffice.org2
[07:55] <kakalto> sheena, 1 way to find out
[07:55] <kakalto> try it
[07:55] <abarbaccia> crimsun, how do i update to it? apt-get install openoffice.org2?
[07:55] <crimsun> abarbaccia: yes.
[07:55] <Dethread> is Ooo2 worth checking out?
[07:55] <crimsun> I stick with 1.1.3 myself
[07:55] <kakalto> how much different is it?
[07:55] <crimsun> ymmv
[07:55] <sheena> yea im trying right now just figured i'd ask may save me some tiem
[07:55] <kakalto> I suppose it's not stable yet
[07:56] <abarbaccia> crimsun, did you try it out
[07:56] <crimsun> abarbaccia: yes, it appears to support ms docs and ppts better
[07:56] <crimsun> abarbaccia: not that that's by any means a good test
[07:56] <abarbaccia> crimsun, well, for what im doing, thats the ONLY test
[07:57] <kakalto> IIIEars, what were those apps?
[07:57] <SQL_Sam> i thought linux guys all used vi?
[07:57] <nickrud> SQL_Sam, only the smart ones :)
[07:57] <abarbaccia> crimsun, I am debating whether to purchase cxoffice because a lot of my files are messed up in Ooo that were created in word, things with a lot of graphs charts and special indents
[07:58] <crimsun> abarbaccia: I've never used xover office, so I can't offer an opinion
[07:58] <kakalto> why use linux? if it screws up your files, why are you using it? (no offence intended, just curious)
[07:58] <SQL_Sam> to use wine - do you have to have a dual boot with windows on the same box?
[07:59] <tga> if you already own a copy of ms office cxoffice would be a smart investment.. at least you get to use it
[07:59] <kakalto> SQL_Sam, no, why?
[07:59] <orko> abarbaccia - i use xover (only for IE due to some internal web site restrictions) and find it good - I dont use it for office docs though (use OO)
[07:59] <_chavo> SQL_Sam, you don't need Windows to use wine.
[08:00] <SQL_Sam> i was just wondering if you wanted to use windows while in linux did you have to have both OS's on the same box
[08:00] <SQL_Sam> or is it more like terminal serving?
[08:00] <tga> it's not windows, it's a specific app
[08:00] <seven_six_two> ah yes. i have no /var/lib/dpkg/info dir, and the lock file in /var/lib/dpkg reappears whenever i delete it and use apt
[08:01] <SQL_Sam> i'm just not familiar with what it does i guess
[08:01] <tga> it's a tricked out wine that can run ms office on *nix
[08:01] <tga> afaik
[08:02] <holycow>  *hmmm* my ac97 modules seem to be working but i get no sound via speakers (speakers work if plugged into another system) ... anyone know what i can do to track down the issue?
[08:02] <bob2> seven_six_two: if you have no /var/lib/dpkg/info/ dir, it's time to reinstall
[08:02] <holycow> some general steps maybe?
[08:02] <bob2> holycow: did you unmute it?
[08:02] <seven_six_two> bob2, not what i was hoping for, but consistent with the general concensus
[08:02] <holycow> yes, tried several live cd's, two ubuntu installs
[08:02] <SQL_Sam> i was thinking i have both this box and my windows if I wanted to play a game or something on my windows while on my linux box if I could do it - that was basically what i was thinking
[08:02] <bob2> seven_six_two: how on earth did it get deleted?
[08:03] <bob2> holycow: I mean, "did you run alsamixer and make sure you don't see MM anywhere"?
[08:03] <seven_six_two> i borked it with fsck i'm guessing
[08:03] <sperm> there we go
[08:03] <sperm> i fixed my apt-get problems lol
[08:04] <nickrud> seven_six_two, if you want to see what part of a info dir looks like, look here: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/COGbZX19.html
[08:04] <nickrud> you're probably screwed.
[08:04] <seven_six_two> ah yes. screwed good and proper with no hope of a reach-around
[08:04] <discord> damn
[08:05] <kyle_> SQL_Sam, I did kind of the same thing and it worked out pretty well.  I just navigate into my windows partition and WINE things.  Starcraft worked out pretty well.
[08:05] <seven_six_two> maybe i'll try debian unstable then
[08:05] <discord> the dist upgrade set me up with kde
[08:05] <discord> ugh
[08:05] <discord> i hate kde
[08:06] <thr1ce> crimsun, you around?
[08:06] <seven_six_two> is there a debian-unstable dvd?
[08:06] <crimsun> thr1ce: ?
[08:06] <kakalto> discord, why do you hate kde?
[08:06] <nate> hmm
[08:06] <thr1ce> crimsun, breezy isn't bad...seems to run fine here
[08:06] <SQL_Sam> im changing to it right now as i type
[08:06] <nate> trying to install an HP Deskjet 400, parallel port connected, I get 'parallel port busy' whenever I try to print anything
[08:06] <nate> any ideas?
[08:06] <nate> nothing else is using the parallel port physically
[08:06] <nickrud> seven_six_two, if you wnat to go unstable, get the sarge business iso, and go from there
[08:07] <thr1ce> crimsun, anything I should be careful and not try ?
[08:07] <thr1ce> :)
[08:07] <kakalto> I like when my kde doesn't looks like kde :D
[08:07] <FR500> hello
[08:07] <Hobocop> I like it when my gnome looks like gnome 8)
[08:07] <FR500> does anyone know how to enable dma for hdc on boot?
[08:07] <SQL_Sam> i find most people who hate kde hate windows because it reminds them of it....
[08:08] <nickrud> seven_six_two, <redo> if you wnat to go unstable, get the sarge business card iso, and go from there
[08:08] <discord> cause its ugly
[08:08] <discord> and i dotn want it
[08:08] <thr1ce> mm...breezy :)
[08:08] <kyle_> KDE isn't too bad, i just find it a little too cluttered, gnome seems a little more sleek and organized to me
[08:08] <kakalto> SQL_Sam, but the thing is, I hate windows, but I changed my kde to look different :D
[08:08] <seven_six_two> cool. i'll do that
[08:08] <SQL_Sam> lol
[08:09] <seven_six_two> thanks nickrud et al...i'm off to bt for debian
[08:09] <SQL_Sam> i'm going to give kde a shot and see if i like it
[08:09] <nate> sometimes I find Gnome just a little too sleek
[08:09] <kakalto> kde is neat and tidy on my comp, gnome looks a mess
[08:09] <kakalto> for that matter, gnome doesn't work at the moment
[08:09] <kakalto> at all
[08:09] <holycow> SQL_Sam, thats not unreasonable at all
[08:09] <nate> it omits settings I'd like to tweak
[08:09] <nate> but it's getting better and better at 'just working'
[08:09] <kakalto> so, whether I like it (I do) or not, I'm stuck with kde for the moment
[08:09] <discord> i dunno
[08:09] <thr1ce> crimsun, have you have any major issues ?
[08:09] <thr1ce> lately
[08:09] <discord> maybe i dont hate it
[08:09] <slappy11> goin sarge, ehh??
[08:09] <slappy11> hahaha
[08:09] <slappy11> after all that?!
[08:09] <thr1ce> gnome 2.10.1 runs great
[08:09] <nate> rar. Printing still broken. Hmm.
[08:09] <slappy11> sarge is good though
[08:10] <kyle_> SQL_Sam, just grab the newest version of knoppix and try it out, might be a little less work :)
[08:10] <nate> it was working before I installed Hoary, I'm sure
[08:10] <slappy11> after 2 days...im still thinking that a fork is bad..lets focus on deb
[08:10] <SQL_Sam> im like 68% done with the kde upgrade - is it going to ask me to change? or do i have to do something else after the fact
[08:10] <seven_six_two> is it testing that i want for debian?
[08:10] <slappy11> unstable is great
[08:11] <crimsun> thr1ce: no.
[08:11] <SQL_Sam> never heard of knoppix
[08:11] <kakalto> kyle_, knoppix tends to be the default layout, and it's not particularly intuitive to change things around
[08:11] <kamme> question, I put various mplayer codec in /usr/local/lib/codecs and thet used to be enough to play movies, but now totem won't play them. Is there another way of doing it now?
[08:11] <crimsun> thr1ce: well, aside from some toolchain issues that are expected
[08:11] <nickrud> seven_six_two, sarge and unstable both work
[08:11] <seven_six_two> maybe. i don't know which sarge is, but i don't want stable
[08:11] <crimsun> thr1ce: they probably (more than likely) won't be seen by the average user
[08:11] <thr1ce> crimsun, toolchain ?
[08:11] <slappy11> ya, sarge-unstable
[08:11] <slappy11> great install
[08:11] <kakalto> SQL_Sam, once it's finished, if you reboot, it'll show up in the sessions list
[08:11] <crimsun> thr1ce: gcc-4.0/g++-3.3/binutils-2.15+
[08:12] <kyle_> kakalto, that's true, i just though it was at least ok to check the general layout
[08:12] <slappy11> except you get XFree86
[08:12] <kakalto> it might even show on the sessions list if you don't reboot, not sure
[08:12] <crimsun> thr1ce: and libc6-2.3.5/linux-kernel-headers-2.6.11.2
[08:12] <seven_six_two> http://www.debian.org/CD/torrent-cd/
[08:12] <thr1ce> crimsun, when breezy changes kernels, will my kernel get updated as well ?
[08:12] <kakalto> kyle_, mine doesn't look much like the original layout
[08:12] <crimsun> thr1ce: yes
[08:12] <kakalto> kyle_, which is why I like it :D
[08:12] <SQL_Sam> hmmm  can i change to kde without rebooting?
[08:12] <thr1ce> of course
[08:12] <holycow> bob2, oh okay, i see a few mm entries under empty als mixer vertical bars
[08:13] <kakalto> SQL_Sam, try CTRL ALT BACKSPACE, and it'll restart X
[08:13] <holycow> bob2, never used alsamixer before ... what does that mean?
[08:13] <kakalto> or probably just log out for that matter
[08:13] <calamari> wheeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!
[08:13] <SQL_Sam> k
[08:13] <kakalto> almost installed IE
[08:14] <SQL_Sam> ewwwww
[08:14] <kamme> so noone has an idea?
[08:14] <Raskall> am I allowed to modify the ubunto logos? U want to change the word Ubuntu to SMUbuntu in one of the logos for use in my homepage
[08:14] <thr1ce> i have alot of ideas
[08:14] <kamme> thr1ce, one that will help me and my movie-player problem too? ;)
[08:14] <SQL_Sam> I never use IE anymore even on my windows box!  virus city
[08:15] <crimsun> holycow: open a terminal and type ''alsamixer,,
[08:15] <kakalto> SQL_Sam, sadly, others still use it
[08:15] <crimsun> holycow: (without the quotes/commas)
[08:15] <thr1ce> crimsun, interesting...is 2.6.12 likely the next kernel to be implimented ?
[08:15] <kakalto> SQL_Sam, that's why I must develop for it
[08:15] <crimsun> thr1ce: yes
[08:15] <holycow> crimsun, i did
[08:15] <crimsun> holycow: and?
[08:15] <SQL_Sam> kakalto - what to you do?
[08:15] <robitaille> Raskall,  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/TrademarkPolicy/
[08:15] <holycow> i see a few mm entries under empty als mixer vertical bars
[08:15] <holycow> * HillTop has quit (Remote closed the connection)
[08:15] <nickrud> seven_six_two, my only real advice: unless you like tweeking your system  regularly (which I actually am obsessive about) you will be better off just reinstalling
[08:15] <holycow> sorry wront paste
[08:16] <holycow> anyway what am i looking for and why, is the question?
[08:16] <DrecoZA> Hi All, is anyone using Mcafee anti-virus with Ubuntu ?
[08:16] <thr1ce> crimsun, awesome; well, breezy seems to be quick as ever; thanks
[08:16] <seven_six_two> nickrud, i like to learn
[08:16] <thr1ce> antivirus, linux ?
[08:16] <seven_six_two> but i don't know the diff between testing and unstable, as only testing iso's are available with bittorrent
[08:17] <kakalto> SQL_Sam, I'm currently making a website.
[08:17] <Smeven> hi
[08:17] <discord> can I mount the iso image of the hoary cd and install from it?
[08:17] <seven_six_two> stable and testing
[08:17] <kakalto> I don't do it proffesionally or anything
[08:17] <holycow> DrecoZA, thats windows stuff, although a few viruses have been created for linux, they don't exist in the wild
[08:17] <holycow> DrecoZA, there are no known viruses for linux in the wild
[08:17] <SQL_Sam> nice - i want to start playing around with that - php and mysql sound like fun to try
[08:17] <holycow> DrecoZA, same with spyware
[08:17] <Raskall> robitaille: thanx.. will send them an email.
[08:17] <Xebitx> if im in /home/martin/Desktop in a shell ...and I want to get full dir path
[08:18] <Xebitx> which command can tell me the path?
[08:18] <Dethread> pwd
[08:18] <nickrud> seven_six_two, get the sarge business iso, since it will cut down on the time it taks to get to unstable.
[08:18] <seven_six_two> from debian site?
[08:18] <DrecoZA> so is the presumption that a Linux machine connected to the internet is 100% safe from viruses and spyware ?
[08:18] <nickrud> yup
[08:18] <SQL_Sam> no
[08:18] <Dethread> DrecoZA, nothing is ever 100% safe
[08:18] <SQL_Sam> it is a LOT safer then windoes
[08:19] <seven_six_two> is that the minimal bootable cd image?
[08:19] <holycow> what Dethread said, however, there simply are no known viruses in the wild for linux, or mac's or bsd's
[08:19] <seven_six_two> is that the minimal bootable cd image?
[08:19] <holycow> or solaris
[08:19] <kakalto> SQL_Sam, yeah, php's a bit of fun :)
[08:19] <DrecoZA> what are the precautions that can be taken, this is a office envorinment
[08:19] <holycow> it's purely a windows phenomenon
[08:19] <Dethread> true
[08:19] <Dethread> true
[08:19] <Dethread> :)
[08:20] <mikeco> damn this xdamage
[08:20] <holycow> DrecoZA, the precautions you take are proper use of security built into unix
[08:20] <DrecoZA> we have a firewall to control traffic
[08:20] <Dethread> DrecoZA, you have to be careful of unauthorized remote access to your box, if you run any server applications
[08:20] <holycow> DrecoZA, meaning that you run as an unpriviledged user and never run anything as root, unless you are temporarily administering the machine
[08:20] <holycow> DrecoZA, as Dethread is mentioning, you can get hacked, but you can lock a linux machine down so tight it would make bill gates blush
[08:21] <DrecoZA> is clamav worthwile loading and using >
[08:21] <holycow> DrecoZA, no, only if you arehosting email for windows users and want to protect them
[08:23] <nickrud> has everyone died?
[08:24] <kakalto> I think so
[08:24] <kakalto> rapture :P
[08:24] <nickrud> no!!!!!!
[08:25] <nickrud> I wanna go!
[08:26] <nickrud> I thought I was a good boy.
[08:29] <nickrud> are we done yet?
[08:29] <klauslotz> hello there
[08:29] <SQL_Sam> no kidding
[08:29] <kakalto> heheh.
[08:30] <nickrud> so, I guess we're the damned.
[08:30] <mikeco> no damage extension, yet "DAMAGE" extension is enabled according to Xorg.log
[08:30] <klauslotz> does anybody know if there already is a Polish tralation team for Ubuntu ?
[08:31] <SQL_Sam> is this a polish joke comin on....
[08:31] <klauslotz> no way dude,a genuine question
[08:31] <SQL_Sam> lol - had to ask (wanted to hear it if it was)  ;-)
[08:32] <lizdeika> mikeco: are you using fglrx ?
[08:32] <klauslotz> not this time but I still enjoy those
[08:32] <kyle_> just curious, does anyone know a good method for changing wireless networks whilst on the go?
[08:33] <Dethread> kyle_, in hoary?
[08:33] <kyle_> Dethread, yes
[08:33] <djones> kyle_: netapplet is a great tool for that
[08:33] <Hobocop> :):)
[08:33] <Dethread> kyle_, System->Administration->Networking  , then select the wireless connection, then Properties, then choose the network from the dropdown list
[08:34] <Hobocop> apt-get install netapplet?
[08:34] <goldfish> hah
[08:34] <goldfish> nice name :)
[08:34] <goldfish> aaaaw
[08:34] <SQL_Sam> noob question - what does apt stand for?
[08:34] <Dethread> aptitude
[08:34] <Dethread> hehe
[08:34] <Dethread> no
[08:35] <klauslotz> anybody here involved in translating Ubuntu ??
[08:35] <Dethread> apt - annotation processing tool
[08:35] <djones> uh, yeah, apt-get install netapplet
[08:35] <nickrud> Dethread, really?
[08:35] <helloyo> what is with this hal thing? i haven't been able to get gnome up 10 times in a row, so i just got rid of the darn thing, whats the problem with it?
[08:35] <tga> SQL_Sam: man apt
[08:35] <kyle_> Dethread, i have been doing that, but after i select one it usually just hangs at the interface setup dialog that occurs afterwards
[08:35] <Dethread> kyle_, it hangs for me too, usually for up to 20 secs or so, but then it works
[08:36] <Dethread> kyle_, you also have to release the ip and get a new one from the new network you selected
[08:36] <kyle_> Dethread, how?
[08:36] <goldfish> iwconfig ?
[08:36] <Dethread> kyle_, I just use dhclient
[08:36] <Dethread> for release: dhclient -r eth1
[08:36] <Dethread> then to get the new one: dhclient eth1
[08:37] <SQL_Sam> tga - ive read a few of the manual doco's and get more confused sometimes - sucks being noob :(
[08:37] <Dethread> both with sudo, actually
[08:38] <kyle_> Dethread, do that before or after switching interfaces?
[08:38] <Dethread> after
[08:38] <Dethread> well, I usually release before, get the new one after
[08:38] <kyle_> alright, thanks
[08:38] <Dethread> np
[08:38] <nickrud> helloyo, google project utopia
[08:39] <SQL_Sam> kde upgrade just finished and tried ctl+alt+backspace - was that the right command to reload xwindows?
[08:39] <goldfish> yep
[08:39] <SQL_Sam> crap didnt work.... dont want to reboot
[08:40] <tga> you don't have to reboot, it ain't windows
[08:40] <goldfish> It should be in session options at login ?
[08:40] <djones> i guess he rebooted ;)
[08:41] <tga> if killing X didn't help rebooting won't help either
[08:41] <aswon> i've just installed PLONE , but i don't know how to start and use it ,can somebody help me?
[08:41] <tga> what's plone?
[08:41] <eaon> a content management system
[08:41] <eaon> based on zope and cmf
[08:41] <tga> erm.. then how do you wanna start it?
[08:42] <eaon> aswon: quite a few plone developers are on ubuntu - probably they know it, so you could try #plone :)
[08:42] <aswon> i'll go there
[08:42] <aswon> thx
[08:44] <ruben> hey
[08:44] <Dethread> yo
[08:44] <ruben> how i see my correct xorg driver?
[08:44] <ruben> i dont know how to configure my X
[08:45] <goldfish> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ?
[08:45] <ruben> i have a VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8378 [S3 UniChrome]  Integrated Video
[08:46] <goldfish> hrmmmm, why the hell would you want to run Internet Explorer in wine? :)
[08:46] <crimsun> ruben: use Driver "via"
[08:47] <crimsun> ruben: presuming you're using Hoary or newer
[08:47] <ruben> warty with all updates
[08:48] <crimsun> ruben: ok, try it.
[08:48] <crimsun> ruben: I _think_ the driver in Warty's XFree86 is a bit older and thus won't work
[08:49] <ruben> ok
[08:49] <ruben> i will upgrade
[08:49] <crimsun> ruben: but I haven't tested it myself, nor have I confirmed with the actual source or changelog
[08:49] <ruben> thanx
[08:49] <eaon> goldfish: from the web developer perspective thats quite obvious i think :)
[08:50] <goldfish> eaon: well, heh :)
[08:57] <SQL_Sam> weird - i just did the kde thing and had to reboot - I saw the kubuntu splash screen and all but then the desktop looks exactly like gnome even has the foot in the top right corner?
[09:06] <revelater> anyone know where i can get a module called tp.netlib?
[09:07] <revelater> ubuntu is quiet today...
[09:07] <revelater> ...
[09:07] <revelater> BOOOO!!!!
[09:07] <Seveas> what kind of module is that?
[09:07] <revelater> python i think
[09:08] <Seveas> netlib is a library of mathematical routines, do you know what the tp prefix stands for?
[09:09] <revelater> ummm... now that i think about it... yes i do
[09:09] <lizdeika> kinda weird name for math library...
[09:09] <Seveas> lizdeika, not if you know it's purpose :)
[09:09] <revelater> actually, i may have a fix, but first, all are all netlib modules made alike?
[09:09] <Seveas> revelater, the home of netlib is netlib.org
[09:10] <Seveas> revelater, dunno
[09:12] <Seveas> revelater, is this what you are looking for: http://www.thousandparsec.net/tp/downloads.php
[09:12] <spiral> hi
[09:13] <Seveas> ih
[09:14] <rattboi> anyone know how to get gnome launch box to work in ubuntu?
[09:14] <kakalto> gnome launch box?
[09:14] <tarzeau> will someone do gnubuntu with GNUstep?
[09:15] <lizdeika> blah xfcuntu would be more nice :)
[09:15] <revelater> cd ..
[09:15] <revelater> oops
[09:16] <tarzeau> is it possible ubuntu sended old versions of ubuntu to people without having them ordered it?
[09:16] <jsgotangco> doh
[09:16] <jsgotangco> gnubuntu
[09:16] <jsgotangco> xubuntu
[09:16] <jsgotangco> kubuntu
[09:16] <jsgotangco> gubuntu
[09:16] <mjr> tubuntu with only twm and base x clients
[09:17] <jsgotangco> how about ratpoison ubuntu
[09:17] <tarzeau> mjr: that's absolutely not comparable
[09:17] <jsgotangco> rubuntu?
[09:17] <tarzeau> mjr: GNUstep is not for the eye. it's a development environment, libraries (gui and base that are very well designed)
[09:17] <tarzeau> mjr: compare it to gtk or qt, but much more evolved
[09:17] <mjr> yah, I know
[09:17] <revelater> how about fubuntu? with only fluxbox based pragrams...
[09:17] <mjr> just had to join the fray :)
[09:18] <tarzeau> revelater: what program is fluxbox based?
[09:19] <lizdeika> tarzeau: no programs . just pragrams
[09:22] <tarzeau> does the latest ubuntu live cd's still not have essential software like: nethack and gcc?
[09:22] <revelater> tarzeau: aren't many fluxbox based programs, but just programs that aren't gnome or kde dependent would be nice
[09:23] <topyli> tarzeau: no nethack, that much i know
[09:23] <tarzeau> revelater: that wouldn't be consistent at all.. i mean tk, x programs are hilarious!
[09:23] <topyli> tarzeau: what's based on fluxbox? :)
[09:23] <lunitik> tarzeau: since when was nethack essential software?  :P
[09:23] <tarzeau> topyli: i don't know anything
[09:24] <revelater> since it was created :P
[09:24] <lunitik> tarzeau: but no... gcc and nethack are not on the livecd's ... mainly cuz it is kinda pointless to compile something in a livecd environment
[09:24] <tarzeau> lunitik: ahhh that gets me to: why is the live cd not installable?
[09:25] <lizdeika> why should it be ?
[09:25] <tarzeau> lunitik: to get removable storage and compile stuff onto it
[09:25] <lunitik> tarzeau: because no one has convinced Matt Zimmerman to include scripts to install it?  :P
[09:25] <tarzeau> lizdeika: so it makes sense to put gcc on it
[09:25] <lunitik> tarzeau: if you want it to be installable... bother mdz  ;)
[09:25] <tarzeau> mdz: good morning
[09:25] <Tirno> hi. I'm having trouble with my wifi. At my uni, the wifi is public - use a vpn-client once connected for internet access. Sometimes, it loses all connectivity: I do iwlist scan and get one or two access points (all with essid public). I then do sudo iwlist eth1 essid public
[09:25] <lunitik> tarzeau: haha  :)
[09:25] <Tirno> but on occasion, it doesn't associate with the access point
[09:26] <lunitik> tarzeau: he maintains the livecd... he is also the apt author... an Ubuntu employee   :)
[09:26] <tarzeau> lunitik: cool. i also maintain a livecd, wanna try? (its got nethack and gcc :)
[09:26] <lunitik> tarzeau: dpkg author is an Ubuntu employee too  :)
[09:27] <lunitik> tarzeau: bah... WMaker sucks  ;)
[09:27] <tarzeau> lunitik: incest! incest!
[09:27] <tarzeau> lunitik: true. but GNUstep is sexy
[09:27] <lunitik> tarzeau: is fun?  :P
[09:27] <lunitik> tarzeau: not so much... but I tried your LIveCD like a year back when it first got announced publicly  :)
[09:28] <GuruFF> lo...
[09:28] <tarzeau> lunitik: try the latest of february, 0.9.4.2 (a big improvement)
[09:28] <tarzeau> lunitik: (or wait for the 0.9.5 one, 2-3 months)
[09:28] <lunitik> tarzeau: based on Ubuntu livecd's?\
[09:28] <Xore> hey. i've got a bit of a problem. i'm trying to unmount a partition, but it refuses to let me, as it says it is constantly busy
[09:29] <lunitik> (instead of Morphix)
[09:29] <kakalto> what do you guys think of SimplyMepis?
[09:29] <lunitik> kakalto: don't bother
[09:29] <tarzeau> lunitik: no, but i got it in my todo list to check the livecd base of ubuntu
[09:29] <GuruFF> sometimes i have two of my partitions mounted in a nice way on desktop, available under places->computer and visible in nautilus side bar, and sometimes not; what to add in fstab to have partitions always mounted and visible in nautilus sidebar ????
[09:29] <lunitik> tarzeau: many seem to like it... easy to customize etc... deff look into it  :)
[09:29] <tarzeau> lunitik: the ultimate goal for me is to move away from linux (to some sort of microkernel, preferably gnu/l4/hurd)
[09:29] <Xore> i ran lsof /dev/hda7, which tells me gam_server is accessing it
[09:29] <Xore> i kill gam_server, but it keeps coming back
[09:30] <kakalto> lunitik, why?
[09:30] <tarzeau> lunitik: looked at morphix? it's easy too (i need one hour to build/compress mine, and that with one single mouseclick)
[09:30] <lunitik> tarzeau: last I checked on mach/hurd ... it was unbeleivably slow... haven't gotten my hands on an l4/hurd system though  :(
[09:30] <tarzeau> lunitik: tried OPENSTEP (Mach)?
[09:31] <tarzeau> lunitik: damn horribly fast like lightspeed (and rocksolid too)
[09:31] <kakalto> lunitik, why is SimplyMepis not worth bothering for?
[09:31] <lunitik> tarzeau: not in a long while  :(
[09:31] <lunitik> kakalto: because it is crap
[09:31] <tarzeau> lunitik: so you have seen/worked on it?
[09:31] <kakalto> lunitik, in what way?
[09:31] <kakalto> give me info
[09:31] <lunitik> tarzeau: on OpenStep? sort of... via AfterStep and GNUStep... (not sure if that counts?)
[09:32] <kakalto> lunitik, why is SimplyMepis crap?
[09:32] <tarzeau> lunitik: here *tease*, www.linuks.mine.nu/openstep/ break in tears. afterstep is nothing against it. no it doesn't count
[09:32] <lunitik> kakalto: it is just not worth it... it is basically exactly like Kubuntu... only with Proprietary things   :/
[09:32] <kakalto> I'm going to try it anyway, since you're not telling me why
[09:32] <kakalto> okay, now we're getting somewhere :D
[09:32] <tarzeau> lunitik: you're like missing all the cool apps like: http://mediawiki.gnustep.org/index.php/Porting_NeXTSTEP/OPENSTEP_Applications#Lighthouse_Design
[09:33] <Xore> anyone?
[09:33] <tarzeau> lunitik: but don't whine, next live cd will gona have Emacs.app definitely among other new apps
[09:34] <lunitik> tarzeau: sounds cool... you are way to into *Step though  :P
[09:34] <lunitik> too*
[09:35] <tarzeau> lunitik: its got a beautiful cover too, www.linuks.mine.nu/gnustep/gnustepcdcover.png  (there's a better pdf , correct size, correct color)
[09:35] <lunitik> tarzeau: you'll ever get Sun to open source that *Step office suite?
[09:35] <tarzeau> lunitik: i wish. (can't tell details now though :)
[09:35] <b2s> Xore: try ps fax to see what is its parent, which might be restarting it.
[09:36] <kakalto> what's libranet like?
[09:36] <Xore> no parent, i alraedy checked that with --forest
[09:36] <tarzeau> kakalto: like debian
[09:36] <Xore> but, it's ok, another friend pointed me at umount -l, which seems to have done the trick
[09:36] <b2s> Xore: are you killing it with -9?
[09:36] <lunitik> kakalto: Kubuntu with adminmenu... a crap interface for debconf
[09:36] <tarzeau> kakalto: and nothing's like debian (quality and support like)
[09:37] <kakalto> lunitik, so you're telling me that every debian-based distro that comes with kde is like kubuntu?
[09:37] <tarzeau> lunitik: btw, like games?
[09:37] <lunitik> tarzeau: Debian has to support too many architechtures... brings things to 'market' slower then most due to that
[09:37] <lunitik> tarzeau: somewhat... :)
[09:37] <lunitik> kakalto: well... yeah
[09:38] <lunitik> kakalto: KDE is KDE no matter who compiles it
[09:38] <kakalto> true
[09:38] <kakalto> can I get IceWM for ubuntu?
[09:38] <lunitik> kakalto: yeah
[09:38] <kakalto> I suppose I just go to the main site
[09:38] <lunitik> kakalto: it is in Universe
[09:38] <kakalto> main icewm side
[09:38] <kakalto> ohk
[09:38] <kakalto> sweet
[09:39] <Tirno> Still wondering about my wifi
[09:39] <lunitik> tarzeau: not to mention... it has been about 20 months since woody was released, and it is still the stable dist  :/
[09:39] <Tirno> if I can get a public ap on sudo iwlist scan
[09:39] <ctqucl> I use ubuntu and  install the kde ,but the icons kde have can't view prefect,who knows why?
[09:39] <kakalto> icewm is tiny!!!
[09:39] <Tirno> and I know it's public
[09:39] <kakalto> 4mb total
[09:39] <Tirno> why does sudo iwconfig eth1 essid public
[09:40] <Tirno> not *always* connect me?
[09:40] <lunitik> Tirno: you forgot to tap your feet together 3 times?
[09:40] <Pirkei> How do i hide the OS info given to IRC?
[09:40] <kakalto> depends on your client, I suppose
[09:41] <Pirkei> what client do you recommend?
[09:41] <lunitik> Pirkei: IRC doesn't give OS info
[09:41] <kakalto> I, myself use kubuntu, and kde's default is konversation
[09:41] <kakalto> but under gnome, xchat is great
[09:41] <kakalto> or chatzilla for firefox
[09:41] <kakalto> that's not too bad
[09:41] <lunitik> Pirkei: Konversation, XChat, or irssi
[09:41] <goldfish> irssi !
[09:42] <kakalto> irssi is text-based, though, isn't it?
[09:42] <lunitik> kakalto: yeah
[09:42] <goldfish> aye
[09:42] <b2s> yay irssi! :P
[09:42] <goldfish> the best way :)
[09:42] <kakalto> or bitchx
[09:42] <lunitik> bitchx sucks
[09:42] <goldfish> bx sux , boooo !
[09:42] <b2s> heh
[09:42] <lunitik> stupid part messages  >:|
[09:42] <goldfish> indeed :)
[09:42] <Tirno> lunitik: yah, I'm an idiot noob who can barely switch a computer on
[09:42] <Pirkei> chatzilla is worst. - lol
[09:42] <FreezerX> Any idea why ubuntu / linux can't connect the keyboard of my notebook. Sometimes it is not possible to make a choice in the boot menu of grub.
[09:42] <goldfish> *SUBLIMINAL MESSAGE* USE BX *SUBLIMINAL MESSAGE*
[09:43] <goldfish> for example
[09:43] <Pirkei> heh
[09:43] <goldfish> Sure, just use the irc plugin for azureus
[09:43] <tarzeau> lunitik: well i use sparc, alpha, hppa and i've got mips too, aside powerpc
[09:43] <GuruFF> can anyone help me with nautilus, please
[09:43] <Myrtti> goldfish: pwhah. irssi <3
[09:43] <tarzeau> lunitik: so it's good they support those (well actually, i only use sid, so having the stuff in sid, would be enough for me, all using netboot/netinstall)
[09:44] <lunitik> tarzeau: so Debian is a nice choice for you... for most though, not so much  ;)
[09:44] <goldfish> Myrtti: yeah :)
[09:44] <goldfish> After using irssi, i can not stand using gui irc clients.
[09:44] <goldfish> *cannot
[09:44] <kakalto> heheh.
[09:44] <kakalto> I only use irssi when my GUI crashes, due to some setting stuff up
[09:44] <tarzeau> lunitik: i can't believe 100% of people want gnome, is maybe 30% want gnome, 30% want kde, 30% want gnustep, 10% something else
[09:44] <Pirkei> gaim has to be the worst for irc
[09:45] <kakalto> gnustep?
[09:45] <tarzeau> lunitik: you like games?
[09:45] <jcie> Hi, having problems adjusting the screen resolution for laptop with external screen. Any ideas?
[09:45] <tarzeau> kakalto: http://livecd.gnustep.org
[09:45] <lunitik> tarzeau: I stopped using Sid when they stopped letting things in due to Sarge release, and growing frustrated about Sarges lack of actually being released
[09:45] <tarzeau> jcie: i386 or ppc ?
[09:45] <lunitik> tarzeau: yes
[09:45] <jcie> tarzeau: i386
[09:45] <holycow> tarzeau, indeed, the gnome, kde and gnustep and other de's are all catering to some VERY different tastes
[09:46] <tarzeau> lunitik: try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian/supertransball2/    or http://gnu.ethz.ch/debian/mog/   two nice 2d games
[09:46] <kakalto> is gnustep a distro or a GUI?
[09:46] <kakalto> a distro?
[09:46] <lunitik> tarzeau: true enough... but Ubuntu has 'derivatives' ... you should maybe work on making a GNUStep derivative... ride the Ubuntu hype, UbuntuStep  8)
[09:46] <tarzeau> kakalto: gnustep is a free implementation of the openstep specification *of 1994, by sun and next)
[09:46] <tarzeau> kakalto: this is the cd with that and apps basing on it, it's a complete system
[09:47] <Pirkei> there are only so many hours in a day to code - ya gotta sleep sometime
[09:47] <kakalto> so what's openstep?
[09:47] <tarzeau> lunitik: the name is just hilarious (i can't get friends with this african stuff)
[09:47] <tarzeau> kakalto: try google
[09:47] <kakalto> k
[09:47] <lunitik> tarzeau: look at distrowatch for the last month to see how popular Ubuntu is though...
[09:47] <tarzeau> lunitik: how much terabytes did they send out? and pressed cds? is that info public?
[09:47] <lunitik> tarzeau: almost double the nearest distro... would get GNUStep into a lot more hands
[09:48] <tarzeau> lunitik: i've had like 5 tb of gnustep live cd out or so
[09:48] <lunitik> tarzeau: I
[09:48] <lunitik> tarzeau: I'm not sure... sabdfl or others in #ubuntu-devel would be better to ask
[09:48] <tarzeau> lunitik: it's just a problem of time/resources. if there was someone i knew or on irc, that could guide me, why not. otherwise i don't feel like diggin into this myself
[09:49] <lunitik> tarzeau: sabdfl = mark shuttleworth... guy behind Ubuntu
[09:49] <tarzeau> lunitik: for the easy fact, morphix just works for me great (and the boot problem got fixed /w new base too)
[09:49] <tarzeau> lunitik: gaim? hehe ok thanks
[09:49] <AsAs> hi\
[09:49] <goldfish> haylo
[09:50] <AsAs> hey gold
[09:50] <lunitik> tarzeau: I'm talking about an install / livecd distro that would benifit from the hype of Ubuntu... therefore get into more peoples view...
[09:50] <lunitik> tarzeau: win win for you  :)
[09:51] <lunitik> tarzeau: surely there are more people than just you working on GNUStep livecd's?
[09:51] <tarzeau> lunitik: the company and ubuntu support also kubuntu (including the shipit stuff?)
[09:51] <lunitik> (even though it is on your site...)
[09:51] <tarzeau> lunitik: the only reason for me to use your livecd base is support for powerpc ... morphix is only i386
[09:51] <tarzeau> lunitik: actually no :) it's just me
[09:51] <lunitik> tarzeau: nah... Kubuntu doesn't benifit from anything like that... just the hype  :P
[09:52] <kakalto> so, tarzeau, if I download gnustep from the repositories, and log out, it will be in the sessions list along with kde, gnome, icewm, etc. ?
[09:52] <lunitik> tarzeau: and amd64  ;)
[09:52] <tarzeau> kakalto: no you'll want to install gnustep wmaker gnustep-devel gnustep-games and then start window maker
[09:52] <tarzeau> kakalto: and the debian package looks ugly by default, you'll want to change it
[09:53] <tarzeau> lunitik: i386 stuff also werk on amd64 :) (ok that's cheap)
[09:53] <kakalto> and THEN, if I log out it will be in the sessions manager?
[09:53] <tarzeau> lunitik: you think my mom would notice?
[09:53] <kakalto> or how would I go into it?
[09:53] <tarzeau> kakalto: what session manager? maybe. i use startx with exec wmaker in my .xsession
[09:53] <lunitik> tarzeau: if you got an Ubuntu deriv' for GNUStep... perhaps  :P
[09:54] <kakalto> tarzeau, in the gdm, there's a little sessions thing, can I open gnustep from there? do I just open windowmaker?
[09:54] <tarzeau> kakalto: yes just open window maker
[09:54] <kakalto> ok
[09:54] <kakalto> thanks
[09:54] <lunitik> kakalto: you would start wmaker... gnustep is just a framework
[09:54] <lunitik> kakalto: simular to GTK sorta
[09:54] <tarzeau> kakalto: oh and don't try focus follows mouse or autoraise :)
[09:55] <goldfish> emm, if i want programs to run when x server starts do i put them in ~/.xsession ?
[09:55] <tarzeau> goldfish: yes
[09:55] <kakalto> lunitik, ah, I understand now
[09:55] <tarzeau> goldfish: example here, www.linuks.mine.nu/conf/
[09:55] <kakalto> I was wondering where gnustep came in
[09:55] <goldfish> tarzeau: thanking you.
[09:55] <kakalto> do many applications depend on gnustep?
[09:55] <tarzeau> kakalto: about 50-100 packages in sid
[09:55] <kakalto> like, common ones?
[09:55] <kakalto> ohk
[09:55] <tarzeau> kakalto: there is no common, is there?
[09:57] <tarzeau> lunitik: the biggest problem from what i get to hear seems to be, hardly anyone remember lighthouse design apps at sun.com
[09:57] <kakalto> tarzeau, not really
[09:57] <goldfish> tarzeau: sorry, i'm a n00b to linux, do i have to give it certain permissions?
[09:57] <tarzeau> lunitik: and they can't find it. so if you got some friends @sun.com and they're bored, send them to the cellar to search it under the dust
[09:57] <tarzeau> lunitik: i'd pay a new vacuum cleaner
[09:57] <tarzeau> goldfish: no
[09:57] <goldfish> ok
[09:57] <goldfish> thanks
[09:58] <kakalto> if GTK stands for GIMP ToolKit, why do so many apps use it?
[09:58] <tarzeau> i'd like to grill a goldfish on the fire
[09:58] <tarzeau> kakalto: which, gtk1 or gtk2?
[09:58] <tarzeau> kakalto: because they don't think.
[09:58] <goldfish> tarzeau: :)
[09:58] <tarzeau> kakalto: nor care about portability
[09:58] <tarzeau> kakalto: marketing and hype
[09:58] <maswan> kakalto: because they think it a nice toolkit?
[09:58] <kakalto> heheh.
[09:58] <tarzeau> maswan: which it is not, right?
[09:59] <maswan> tarzeau: at least it isn't qt...
[09:59] <tarzeau> maswan: maybe more like they didn't see/look for anything else and picked what they first found
[09:59] <tarzeau> maswan: i hear lots of people say qt is much nicer (although i don't like that neither)
[09:59] <maswan> tarzeau: well, I'd expect c++ weenies prefer qt over gtk
[09:59] <kakalto> so, you have qt, gtk, gnustep, what else?
[09:59] <maswan> motif
[10:00] <kakalto> lol
[10:00] <tarzeau> kakalto: that's it, for free software (there's some minor ones, but not worth mentioned)
[10:00] <GuruFF> i need help with nautilus not seeing mounted volumes, anyone ?
[10:00] <tarzeau> kakalto: with gnustep (foundationkit and applicationkit) you can develop graphical/nongraphical software that'll even work on mac os x (since cocoa is the same with added shine)
[10:00] <kakalto> kewl
[10:01] <tarzeau> kakalto: and you can port back to openstep too! (which runs on hppa, winnt, sparc, m68k, solaris and i386)
[10:01] <tarzeau> kakalto: actually there is some people that still develop on openstep, and move their source.tar to mac os x and windows, compile and ship (no portage work)
[10:02] <kakalto> woah
[10:02] <tarzeau> kakalto: here: http://www.ivt.baug.ethz.ch/oev/RailMLEditor_d.html#Gnustep and http://www.ivt.baug.ethz.ch/oev/OpenTrack/Downloads/batschkus.pdf
[10:02] <kakalto> I didn't realise anything worked that way
[10:02] <tarzeau> kakalto: well it does. but 90% don't realise it
[10:02] <maswan> tarzeau: hey, gtk runs on a fair number of ports too
[10:02] <tarzeau> kakalto: you should know that gnustep and that stuff isn't c++ though, it's objective-c
[10:02] <kakalto> qt is cross-platform, apparently
[10:02] <tarzeau> maswan: that's not the same
[10:02] <tarzeau> maswan: how much porting work is needed?
[10:03] <maswan> tarzeau: ./configure; make; make install ?
[10:03] <tarzeau> gnustep has some advantages (which are fantastic!) i can tell you later that the others all don't have
[10:03] <tarzeau> maswan: on os x and windows?
[10:03] <tarzeau> maswan: i mean you'll need an x server on os x, right?
[10:03] <maswan> tarzeau: wouldn't know, have never touched those platforms
[10:03] <maswan> tarzeau: I would expect to, yes.
[10:04] <tarzeau> maswan: with gnustep, not so
[10:05] <maswan> tarzeau: well, good for it. and objective c seems neat. unlike, say, c++. :)
[10:05] <tarzeau> maswan: yep :)
[10:05] <GuruFF> i need help with nautilus not seeing mounted volumes, anyone ?
[10:06] <kakalto> mounted volumes, as in hd volumes?
[10:06] <kakalto> so it won't open where they're mounted?
[10:07] <GuruFF> kakalto; nautilus will open them
[10:07] <GuruFF> kakalto; but sometimes i can't see them on desktop
[10:07] <kakalto> ahhh
[10:07] <kakalto> that's something different
[10:08] <GuruFF> kakalto; when i start computer for the first time i can't see mounted volumes on desktop, they are mounted i can access them, no worries
[10:08] <Shufla> http://www.kenthamilton.net/humor/admin-horror.html :D
[10:08] <kakalto> GuruFF, if automagically mounted on boot, I'm pretty sure they don't display links on the desktop.
[10:08] <kakalto> just make some links on the desktop
[10:09] <GuruFF> kakalto; did, but still, after reboot i have my links on destkop and mounted volumes
[10:09] <kakalto> so what's the problem?
[10:09] <GuruFF> kakalto; i would like that nautilus see volumes at the first time
[10:10] <kakalto> GuruFF, so you want it to display links on the desktop first time?
[10:10] <GuruFF> kakalto; yes
[10:10] <kakalto> that's different
[10:10] <kakalto> nautilus is the file browser
[10:11] <kakalto> whether or not it shows volumes on the desktop is different, I think
[10:11] <eaon> Shufla: thats great thanks :D
[10:11] <GuruFF> kakalto; know, i tauhght there are some options i can pass in fstab during mount
[10:12] <kakalto> that only mounts the volumes
[10:12] <kakalto> that doesn't determine if an icon shows on the desktop
[10:12] <GuruFF> kakalto; ok, so what can i do ?
[10:13] <kakalto> right-click on teh desktop, create launcher
[10:13] <kakalto> under "command", put nautilus <path>
[10:13] <kakalto> choose an icon, and name
[10:13] <kakalto> then accept
[10:13] <GuruFF> kakalto; yeah but that's walaround if i do that nautilus will still be blind for mounted volumes :)
[10:14] <kakalto> GuruFF, if you mount /dev/hda1 on /home/user/ then under nautilus, you go to /home/user to access that volume. you understand that?
[10:15] <GuruFF> kakalto; yes i do; but if nautilus sees mounted partitions as volumes then i can manage mounted volumes in sidebar of nautilus
[10:16] <kakalto> nautilus doesn't see mounted partitions as volumes, I don't think
[10:16] <kakalto> GuruFF, are you normally a windows user?
[10:17] <GuruFF> kakalto; no, i was using kde till now truly saying, those are my first encounters with gnome environment
[10:19] <GuruFF> gr8 :<
[10:19] <micsch> hi, i have a little problem, update-rc.d -f /etc/init.d/hotpluh remove, how can i undo this?
[10:19] <kakalto> GuruFF, sorry
[10:19] <kakalto> KDE locked up
[10:20] <kakalto> GuruFF, what did you just say?
[10:20] <kakalto> oh, I see it, nm
[10:20] <GuruFF> kakalto; :P i was using kde till now, switched to gnome recently and trying to make my way
[10:20] <holycow> http://www.skype.com/products/skype/linux/  <-- *ummm*
[10:20] <kakalto> I don't think nautilus does that
[10:20] <kakalto> GuruFF, use KDE :P
[10:20] <holycow> did you notice they have a debian package of skype?
[10:20] <holycow> holy moly, now there is a company that really understands us
[10:21] <holycow> i may even consider them somewhat legit now
[10:21] <holycow> jeebus
[10:21] <goldfish> they even mention ubuntu :)
[10:21] <HrdwrBoB> holycow: pity it sucks
[10:21] <holycow> i know!
[10:22] <GuruFF> kakalto; no worries, anyhow nautilus does see ->sometimes<- partitions as it would be cdrom, etc, so you can access it easily from sidebar and other stuff, ok i will bug ppl from gnome about this.
[10:22] <holycow> sure it sucks, that the first company that has any clue about linux tho, they manage to not lump us all in rpm hell
[10:22] <holycow> i'm so surprised
[10:22] <ice_1963> i'm runing mepis kde3.3.1
[10:22] <ice_1963> =)
[10:22] <HrdwrBoB> holycow: true
[10:23] <ice_1963> yup
[10:23] <HrdwrBoB> holycow: I wish they had a nonshit voice codec though
[10:23] <HrdwrBoB> it's not like it's hard
[10:23] <holycow> HrdwrBoB, lol, i understand there are even free ones available *cough* ogg * cough*
[10:23] <kakalto> GuruFF, nautilus isn't very good, IMO
[10:24] <holycow> kakalto, how do you define good?
[10:24] <GuruFF> kakalto; well depends
[10:24] <kakalto> I'm not trying to start a war here
[10:24] <mjr> _I_ wish they weren't proprietary all the way from the software to the protocols
[10:25] <holycow> kakalto, don't worry :)
[10:25] <kakalto> but I don't like the default way nautilus does things
[10:25] <holycow> kakalto, oh thats cool, i miss konqueror my self
[10:25] <kakalto> maybe I'm just in love with konq
[10:25] <GuruFF> kakalto; well gnome and konqueror are targeted for different audience as is kde and gnome thus i quit comparing those long time ago
[10:25] <kakalto> they are?
[10:25] <holycow> konq is an amazing piece of software
[10:25] <kakalto> GuruFF, what are the audiences they are aimed at?
[10:26] <kakalto> holycow, absolutely
[10:26] <holycow> kakalto, yes they are, konq is for power users
[10:26] <holycow> nautilus for joe six pack
[10:26] <kakalto> ahh
[10:26] <holycow> konq is so powerfull you can blow even advanced users doors off showing them some of the neat things it can do
[10:26] <kakalto> under Windows, they got the right idea (from konq) about integrating explorer, internet, etc.
[10:27] <holycow> opening up ftp, ssh, various other protocols, all in subdivided windows ... killer
[10:27] <kakalto> yeah
[10:27] <GuruFF> kakalto; well ihmo, if you want an ability to setup everyting you like -> go konqueror and kde, if you want clear, easy but not so much configurealbe stuff go gnome
[10:27] <kakalto> I find kde easier than gnome
[10:27] <GuruFF> kakalto; uhh, really :)
[10:27] <kakalto> maybe because everything points to the Control Panel
[10:27] <holycow> now can anyone explain to me the linux sound system? there has to be an explanation for noobs out there that outlines the various pieces and what passes what info to where and in what order
[10:27] <kakalto> instead of just every setting all over the place
[10:28] <holycow> kakalto, i would say gnome 2.10 has addressed that to some degree with the new menus
[10:28] <kakalto> holycow, I know this much: under gentoo, my sound card had REAL ISSUES because of ALSA (new) and OSS (old)
[10:28] <nemosys> hi guys
[10:28] <kakalto> holycow, I'll have to try gnome 2.10 out some time
[10:28] <holycow> i think the system menu needs to me moved out of applications and under system, but thats my thing
[10:29] <holycow> kakalto, just install hoary, it uses it
[10:29] <Pirkei> How do i burn an ISO file?
[10:29] <kakalto> holycow, I did
[10:29] <kakalto> but because of some file in my home dir, gnome won't run
[10:29] <holycow> *shrug* sounds easy to fix
[10:29] <nemosys> how to upgrade my 4.10 warty ubuntu to 5.04 hoary ubuntu?
[10:29] <kakalto> I wiped everything except for my home dir, and installed hoary from start
[10:30] <kakalto> nemosys, change all instances of "warty" to "hoary" in your repositories, sudo apt-get update then sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:30] <holycow> nemosys, change /etc/apt/sources.list and sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:30] <nemosys> oww
[10:30] <kakalto> holycow, any ideas of what file(s) in my home folder would make gnome screw up on login?
[10:30] <nemosys> hmmm all instances of warty to hoary... a bit confuse *im linux noob* sorry =(
[10:31] <holycow> kakalto, i find that having a good big picture understanding of the subsystems helps in debugging issues, most of the stuff on the net focuses very tightly to specific isues
[10:31] <kakalto> ahk.
[10:31] <Pirkei> How do i burn a bootable ISO image file?
[10:31] <kakalto> I messed around with XFCE, and the next thing I knew was that GNOME wouldn't load
[10:31] <holycow> i have yet to find a good 'here is how it works' 'now lets start eliminating the components to find the problem and fix it' kinda deal
[10:31] <kakalto> nemosys, in /etc/apt/sources.list, every time it says "warty", change it to "hoary".
[10:32] <kakalto> nemosys, then "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[10:32] <kakalto> nemosys, incase you don't know how to do the first bit, go to a terminal, and type "sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list"
[10:32] <Pirkei> kakalto - how would you change all instances of warty to hoary in the CLI?
[10:33] <nemosys> oh okay... guys when i tried to open sources.list "sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list" it says (gedit:17433): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display;
[10:33] <nemosys> what did i do wrong?
[10:33] <Pirkei> coulld you explain cat grep - to do that?
[10:33] <kakalto> Pirkei, what's CLI?
[10:33] <Pirkei> "command Line Interface"
[10:34] <kakalto> Pirkei, you wouldn't
[10:34] <kakalto> Pirkei, I said in the repositories, which are in /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:34] <nemosys> kakalto: when i tried to open sources.list "sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list" it says (gedit:17433): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display;
[10:34] <snowblink> nemosys, perhaps use another editor? sudo nano...
[10:35] <kakalto> yeah, I suppose
[10:35] <lizdeika> what about simply opening synaptic ?
[10:35] <nemosys> ah it works!
[10:35] <nemosys> thx
[10:35] <kakalto> lizdeika, that works, but I find it more effort, although I'm not afraid of the terminal
[10:35] <alesms> ciao a tutti!!
[10:35] <Pirkei> yep - i got the same thing earlier trying to edit a file that was in use just wondering if using cat and grep + some other commands would be easier.
[10:35] <micsch> how can i start hoptlug during the boot before networking?
[10:36] <kakalto> micsch, doesn't it do that automatically?
[10:36] <micsch> kakalto: i removed it :-(
[10:36] <kakalto> micsch, then go back and un-remove it :)
[10:37] <micsch> update.rc-d hotplug defaults, put it at the end
[10:37] <kakalto> micsch, do you remember which file you changed for that?\
[10:37] <micsch> i removed it with update-rcx               gdm               module-init-tools  rmnologin
[10:37] <micsch> apmd               halt              modutils           rsync
[10:37] <micsch> bootclean.sh       hostnamesoory
[10:37] <micsch> atd                hdparm            mountall.sh        screen-cleanup
[10:37] <micsch> sorry
[10:37] <kakalto> you've lost me
[10:37] <Liz> anyone offer a solution for a sound problem?..my son and i share this pc..i can hear music..he cant..no sound whatso ever..and when i try to select an mp3 or something, it says that the sound card is not configured properly..
[10:38] <micsch> i removed it with update-rc.d -f hotplug remove
[10:38] <kakalto> Liz, he probably doesn't have permission to use the sound device.
[10:38] <Liz> yes he does..i gave him permissions for it
[10:38] <nemosys> guys, is it save to replace my sources.list with the one shown here? http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[10:38] <micsch> damn, i have to go
[10:38] <Liz> it was working yesterday..but its not working today
[10:38] <kakalto> strange
[10:38] <kakalto> sorry, I can't help ya
[10:39] <Pirkei> Liz - I am new too so don't quote me on this but, if your son has a different acct add hime to the sound users group in users and groups
[10:39] <Liz> just chekcing those..and it was already added..
[10:39] <Liz> was a MUST HAVE for him ..to be able to play music
[10:39] <kakalto> but if it was working yesterday, not today, what have you changed?
[10:39] <kakalto> or what has he changed?
[10:39] <Liz> he doesnt have access to any SUDO commands...
[10:40] <Liz> he doesnt even have access to synaptic
[10:40] <Pirkei> Does he have access to the CD in users and groups?
[10:40] <Liz> he cant add or change anything..but he can play music ..
[10:40] <Liz> he has access to all audio deviceds in users and groups
[10:41] <Pirkei> << stumped(sheepish grin) - It's not easy being new to linux
[10:42] <snowblink> is there anyway I can stop DHCP from overwriting my resolv.conf?
[10:42] <kakalto> heheheh.
[10:42] <Liz> yes..he  has access to the cd..as well as to the internet..modems.....
[10:42] <kakalto> Pirkei, of course it is :D
[10:42] <kakalto> Liz, have you tried googling it?
[10:43] <kakalto> or posted on www.ubuntuforums.org
[10:43] <marc> can anyone tell me what firewall or antivirus programs are the best for ubuntu?
[10:43] <tga> snowblink: edit /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf and remove the part about domain-name-servers
[10:43] <Pirkei> Liz - this is a wild stab in the dark so take it with a grain of salt okay? in sound recorder or xmms does the type of device the sound is sent to match your settings?
[10:43] <tga> snowblink: but the whole point of dhcp is that you don't have to set that stuff manually
[10:43] <marc> and where to get them (free ones preferably)
[10:43] <Liz> yes..i doubled checked that just in case he changed it
[10:44] <snowblink> tga: thanks. I'm in a Windows domain, but want to use my own DNS server (internal domains)...
[10:44] <tga> marc: the kernel is doing the firewalling, all apps do is provide a nice front end to iptables
[10:44] <marc> so i'm safe?
[10:44] <Liz> i even went to systems -> preferences->multimedia systems selector..to check they work
[10:44] <Liz> mine works..his doesnt
[10:44] <marc> i'm used to windows xp, so don't know much about linux
[10:44] <Pirkei> Liz - when you fix this will he *EVER* get access to the computer again or just a live CD?
[10:45] <marc> i'm a newbie
[10:45] <Pirkei> grin
[10:45] <marc> what about virus protection
[10:45] <rohani> hi every1
[10:45] <Liz> Pirkei, heh, yes he will get access..just means ill get separate machines sooner is all
[10:45] <Pirkei> marc clam antivirus it is in synaptic
[10:45] <Liz> but right now..he shares mine..and music must work
[10:45] <tga> marc: there are no linux viruses you need to worry about
[10:45] <rohani> i have got an CanoScan 3200F Scanner and need to use it here
[10:45] <marc> ok thanks Pirkei
[10:46] <marc> no wonder i couldn't find much about it
[10:46] <Pirkei> true enough - linux is too sparse to rate virii writers time and effort.
[10:46] <rohani> but it dose not work with Xsane, any suggestion?
[10:46] <marc> thanks ppl
[10:46] <tga> what _is_ a nice firewall app for linux that will work XP-style ("on", "off")
[10:46] <tga> ?
[10:47] <DrecoZA> firestarter
[10:47] <Liz> firestarter is good
[10:47] <rohani> i have got an CanoScan 3200F Scanner and need to use it here
[10:47] <rohani> but it dose not work with Xsane, any suggestion?
[10:47] <herzi> how do i make synaptic display the ubuntu repository list?
[10:47] <Pirkei> marc - check out partimage or the "dd" command for good back up solution - much faster to reinstall than windows
[10:48] <marc> is that in the ubuntu packages?
[10:48] <tga> dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda
[10:48] <Pirkei> tga - "firestarter" - it is in suynaptic
[10:48] <tga> perfect backup
[10:48] <tga> marc: you already have it installed
[10:48] <marc> thanks tga
[10:48] <tga> marc: dd just copies whole disk images
[10:48] <tga> marc: oh, and don't try the /dev/zero thing :)
[10:48] <marc> where do i do it from, the root?
[10:48] <snowblink> herzi, settings->repositories
[10:49] <Pirkei> tga - dd got me interested in forensics check out "Helix" :)
[10:49] <tga> helix player?
[10:49] <marc> i'm totally new to all of this
[10:49] <marc> guess i'll have to read up on some things
[10:49] <tga> marc: if you're on ubuntu now you don't really need a firewall, you don't seem to have anything open
[10:49] <marc> all i can say is that it is much better than windows
[10:50] <Pirkei> forensics file recovery and incident app based on knoppix - very cool way to rescue deleted files on an ntfs partition
[10:50] <herzi> snowblink: shows a list of entries with checkboxes that say "deb" "http://archive..." etc.
[10:50] <marc> ok tga, thanks
[10:50] <tga> it must be fun, if you actually have stuff to recover
[10:50] <rohani> i have got an CanoScan 3200F Scanner and need to use it here
[10:50] <rohani> but it dose not work with Xsane, any suggestion?
[10:50] <crb> Hi all.
[10:50] <herzi> the dialog looks different on my other machines
[10:50] <crb> Should OpenOffice2 (beta from universe on hoary) look more like a lesstif app than a GNOME one?
[10:50] <Pirkei> tga - irssi or bitchx for irc?
[10:50] <tga> irssi
[10:50] <snowblink> herzi, I don't like the synaptic repo interface. I prefer to directly edit the sources.list
[10:51] <kakalto> rohani, have you tried looking on google about it? for which driver it needs?
[10:51] <marc> i got a router too, that would help if i hooked it up, eh?
[10:51] <snowblink> herzi, the previous version of synaptic was much clearer
[10:51] <Pirkei> cool - i hated it at first but it kinda grew on me
[10:51] <holycow> marc all i can say is that it is much better than windows  <-- just curious, can you explain?
[10:51] <rohani> kakalto, it has been listed in the devise list with no error
[10:51] <holycow> marc, oh and welcome to linux :)
[10:51] <tga> marc: yeah, as long as your machine is not directly connected to the internet you don't need a firewall
[10:52] <kakalto> rohani, so what does Xsane do ( or not do)
[10:52] <marc> seems to be more stable than windows and more powerful, but not as user-friendly
[10:52] <tga> holycow: linux is 1337
[10:52] <Pirkei> << puts a condom over the cat5 cable and dons a tinfoil pointy cap.
[10:52] <holycow> marc, what do you mean not as user friendly?
[10:52] <marc> have to do a lot of commands by yourself
[10:52] <holycow> marc, forgive the questions, i'm trying to learn how complete noobs view it
[10:53] <marc> noobs?
[10:53] <AcidWolf> anyone know anything about Eterm
[10:53] <marc> i love linux
[10:53] <marc> just wanna learn more about it
[10:53] <holycow> newb == noob == new  user
[10:53] <AcidWolf> i got flux box running nicley but apparently i need Eterm installed
[10:53] <marc> oh ok
[10:53] <tga> AcidWolf: it's the enlightenment terminal
[10:53] <AcidWolf> hmmmmm
[10:53] <tga> AcidWolf: you don't need it, you can use xterm or aterm or any-other-term
[10:53] <Pirkei> true enough marc i spent the morning struggling to install a simple app not included in synaptic - sheesh
[10:53] <crb> Oooh, much better.  Don't forget to install openoffice.org2-gnome!
[10:53] <tga> Pirkei: what app?
[10:54] <AcidWolf> apparently Eterm is needed for wallpaper setting
[10:54] <Pirkei> a screen saver
[10:54] <marc> Pirkei: once you find out though, it's there for good
[10:54] <tga> heh
[10:54] <marc> i wanna become a developer someday...
[10:54] <Pirkei> sounds simple enough - lol
[10:54] <rohani> kakalto, it just says that it had not found the device, but i can see my scanner in the device list :)
[10:54] <marc> is what is in red a pm?
[10:54] <holycow> marc, i don't know how old you are, but chances are you have more than 10 years of training on windows
[10:54] <kakalto> rohani, I had the same problem, with my 3-in-one printer/scanner/copier, and I just went out and got the driver
[10:54] <holycow> don't forget that alone has prejudiced your 'expectations'
[10:55] <marc> yeah, about that, probably more
[10:55] <holycow> basically what you find after using linux for a year or two, and go back to windows, you kinda start wondering what crack those bozos are smoking
[10:55] <rohani> kakalto, Thanks for ur advice, i gonna found mine so
[10:55] <kakalto> ok
[10:55] <kakalto> s' alright
[10:55] <holycow> windows is seriously borked, all they have is a huge bank roll and a very large head start
[10:55] <AcidWolf> gee that was easy eterm through synaptic
[10:55] <Pirkei> i really like point and click for everything and suffer withdrawel symptoms when it isn't there. - lol
[10:55] <AcidWolf> :0
[10:56] <kakalto> holycow, true that.
[10:56] <nemosys> guys, is it save to replace my sources.list with the one shown here? http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[10:57] <Pirkei> windows has too many holes reinstalling is a headache
[10:57] <marc> thanks for your help everyone
[10:57] <marc> i might be back this morning, gonna go hook up my firewall
[10:57] <Pirkei> started using a bootable CD as often as windows - windows was always broken.
[10:58] <nemosys> guys
[10:58] <nemosys> ..
[11:00] <kakalto> nemosys, ?
[11:00] <Pirkei> how well does cedega emulate directx 8?
[11:00] <HrdwrBoB> fairly well
[11:00] <HrdwrBoB> depends on the game
[11:01] <nemosys> guys, is it save to replace my sources.list with the one shown here? http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[11:01] <nemosys> guys, is it save to replace my sources.list with the one shown here? http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[11:01] <kakalto> nemosys, yes
[11:01] <nemosys> im using warty at the moment
[11:01] <nemosys> so is that mean, i can upgrade to hoary after replacing this?
[11:01] <Pirkei> Is the next Ubuntu release selinux?
[11:02] <kakalto> nemosys, yes
[11:02] <nemosys> thx kakalto
[11:02] <kakalto> Pirkei, I heard so, yeah
[11:02] <Pirkei> sounds good
[11:02] <kakalto> nemosys, no problem
[11:02] <Pirkei> wil there be anything like "tripwire" included?
[11:03] <Pirkei> or a quick way to image and restore script?
[11:11] <Insom> hi all
[11:11] <kakalto> hey
[11:11] <theine> Hi, will the Gnome point releases 2.10.x be included into Hoary main or hoary-updates at some point?
[11:11] <holycow>  okay so esd is gnomes *official* sound server, if that is so, how come system/prefs/multimedia has different default choices for 'sink' and 'source' settings? sink is esd and source is oss by default i think?  how come?
[11:12] <kakalto> theine, no, breezy
[11:12] <theine> kakalto, I thought that's going to be 2.12...
[11:12] <kakalto> breezy will use whatever is currently available
[11:13] <kakalto> right now, there is no gnome 2.12, is there?
[11:13] <kakalto> so breezy can't have it yet
[11:13] <kakalto> but when gnome 2.12 is released, the newest unstable ubuntu will use it
[11:13] <theine> so the point releases for the _stable_ 2.10.x series will go into the Ubuntu _development_ branch?
[11:13] <kakalto> or gubuntu, as it might be renamed
[11:13] <kakalto> I think so
[11:14] <theine> Hmmm, ok
[11:15] <lenovo> hello, everyone
[11:15] <Moe|Joe|c> hi people
[11:15] <space_oddity> woow
[11:15] <space_oddity> a lot of people here!
[11:15] <space_oddity> :-)
[11:15] <Moe|Joe|c> can i get sum help with wireless networks on ubuntu?
[11:16] <space_oddity> mmmm
[11:16] <Tomcat__> You can. Just ask right here.
[11:16] <Moe|Joe|c> i try accessing the network selector program bt it asks me for a administrators password...i put my user password in and ive tried leaving it blank...
[11:16] <Moe|Joe|c> how do i get into it?
[11:17] <Chameleon22> does anyone know of any gui client to connect to a remote vpn via ipsec (shared secrets)
[11:17] <Moe|Joe|c> oh and how do i get into the services menu in ubuntu
[11:17] <Moe|Joe|c> ?
[11:17] <Pirkei> How do i burn a bootable ISO?
[11:17] <mishof> What is the paralel for grub to lilo's "lilo" (a command you type to update the settings) ?
[11:18] <theine> mishof, you don't need the equivalent for grub
[11:18] <space_oddity> Pirkei, is it a dvd or cd?
[11:18] <mishof> theine, why not ? and how can i edit the entries ?
[11:18] <Pirkei> CD - will Ubuntu burn a DVD is also?
[11:19] <theine> mishof, /boot/grub/menu.lst
[11:19] <kakalto> Pirkei, got k3b?
[11:19] <kakalto> Pirkei, k3b is a really good cd/dvd burning program
[11:19] <theine> mishof, grub reads that file directly at boot time
[11:19] <Pirkei> was it part of the default install?
[11:19] <kakalto> in case you don't know
[11:19] <kakalto> I'm not sure
[11:19] <space_oddity> cdrecord  -v -dev=/dev/cdrom isofile.iso
[11:19] <kakalto> it is for kubuntu
[11:19] <Quinn_Storm> hey all, just wondering...is breezy ready to start tracking yet or should I stick with hoary a little longer?  the last time I asked breezy hadn't finished compiling yet...
[11:19] <elbi> we want to setup a local ubuntu archive mirror, do you guys have a rsync script for that task?
[11:19] <kakalto> or just use the command space_oddity found for ya ;)
[11:20] <Pirkei> cdrecord  works without k3b?
[11:20] <kakalto> yup
[11:20] <kakalto> k3b uses cdrecord
[11:20] <kakalto> just k3b is a fancy GUI and everything
[11:20] <space_oddity> open a shell and type the command
[11:20] <Pirkei> good - that is easy
[11:20] <space_oddity> :-)
[11:20] <theine> mishof, I suggest you read carefully through that file and have your changes confirm to the `Debian way' of doing it...
[11:20] <mishof> theine, meaning?
[11:21] <theine> mishof, i.e. add custom entries before or behind the automagically generated kernel list, make use of '#kopt=', ...
[11:21] <space_oddity> woow... I got konqueror really buggy here....
[11:22] <space_oddity> does anyone tried to fix the problem?
[11:22] <space_oddity> *has
[11:22] <Quinn_Storm> so, any ideas about breezy?
[11:22] <theine> mishof, this way your changes will be persistent among grub updates and stock ubuntu kernel updates
[11:22] <mishof> theine, i dont know whatcha talking about ... I've installed a new kernel, now i want it to appear in the bootload :o
[11:23] <theine> mishof, did you take a look at that file?
[11:23] <Chameleon22> does anyone know of any gui client to connect to a remote vpn via ipsec (shared secrets)
[11:23] <mishof> theine, yeah, i know whatcha talking about regarding putting it after the auto, dunno whats kopt
[11:24] <theine> mishof, you won't need that for a custom kernel, as it doesn't effect anything outside the automatically generated kernel list
[11:24] <Moe|Joe|c> how do i access the services menu on ubuntu?
[11:24] <mishof> theine, will it create an entry for it itself ? :\
[11:24] <theine> mishof, what will create an entry for itself?
[11:25] <Quinn_Storm> okay, I'll ask this then...if I'm running hoary and want to start tracking breezy, what's the best/simplest way? should I drop hoary from my sources.list altogether? should I add breezy on top of it?
[11:25] <kakalto> Quinn_Storm, replace "hoary" with "breezy"
[11:25] <theine> mishof, oh, did you install a new ubuntu kernel via synaptic/apt-get?
[11:26] <kakalto> Quinn_Storm, then "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[11:26] <Pirkei> quinn - i would guess selinux is going to be a big jump
[11:26] <Quinn_Storm> kakalto: ok, so just drop hoary completely from sources.list then?
[11:26] <mishof> theine, hmmm grub on boot ? i dunno. i install a new kernel using a tutorial and it shows lilo as example. in lilo it created the entry by itself i think
[11:26] <brrrt> hello all....
[11:26] <mishof> theine, nope, some modules creation or something :\
[11:26] <kakalto> Quinn_Storm, yeah, but replace it all with breezy
[11:26] <brrrt> is there a way to have xvidcap in ubuntu?
[11:26] <Quinn_Storm> kakalto: yeah obviously
[11:26] <theine> mishof, so you compiled it yourself?
[11:26] <lenovo> mishof: I think it maybe update-grub
[11:26] <Quinn_Storm> kakalto: ok, I'll give that a shot...breezy should be done compiling by now, hehe
[11:27] <kakalto> just had to make sure, when you said "drop it off", I wasn't sure if you mean the whole line
[11:27] <meta> can anyone help me. none of video players work, all display green screen on videos that were working with the ubuntu live cd
[11:27] <theine> lenovo, I don't think that will work for custom compiled kernels...
[11:27] <theine> mishof, which tutorial did you follow?
[11:28] <mishof> theine, http://perso.wanadoo.fr/septieme/acecad/kernel.html
[11:29] <kakalto> meta, have you read www.ubuntuguide.org ?
[11:29] <kakalto> about media
[11:29] <meta> kakalto - that's the one I followed to install codecs, but now all media playback in totem and xine is just green screen
[11:30] <theine> mishof, you probably need to edit menu.lst in this case, although i'm not 100% sure
[11:30] <Quinn_Storm> okay, hitting the apt-get update now, lets see how it goes...
[11:30] <kakalto> meta, open the file, close totem, then open it again
[11:30] <kakalto> that fixes it sometimes for me
[11:32] <kakalto> will breezy stick to 2.6 or go to 2.7?
[11:32] <meta> kakalto - now totem is dying with "alsa is in use by another program"
[11:33] <kakalto> meta, do you have any other media players open?
[11:33] <meta> kakalto - can't see any other apps using sound at all
[11:34] <kakalto> strange
[11:34] <kakalto> sorry mate, I can't really help ya
[11:34] <theine> mishof, still there?
[11:34] <kakalto> unless you've tried rebooting?
[11:34] <A-star> hi everyone
[11:34] <kakalto> hey
[11:34] <lenovo> theine: Sorry, I haven't real try it with a custom kernel.
[11:34] <cyphase> hi
[11:35] <meta> kakalto - yeah I tried that, just intalled xine backend to totem instead of gstreamer, and it works sound-only, still green screen
[11:35] <theine> lenovo, no worries... :)
[11:35] <meta> kakalto - cheers for the help thou
[11:35] <A-star> Just a question, I am having some problems with freenx.
[11:36] <A-star> the keyboard settings when I connect are totally wrong
[11:36] <kakalto> meta,sorry I couldn't help more, but I'm still quite new
[11:36] <Quinn_Storm> agh, I can't go up to breezy..there's some kind of circular dependency problem with evolution
[11:36] <A-star> I have a french keyboard, but in freenx everything is qwerty
[11:37] <Quinn_Storm> its something about libcamel
[11:41] <kakalto> g'night
[11:41] <Pirkei> G'night! - thanks for the tip.
[11:41] <koba> hello
[11:41] <meta> kakalto - night
[11:41] <koba> I've just installed ubuntu...could anyone tell me how to mount my FAT32 windows partition please?
[11:42] <koba> so I can have access to my files from the desktop?
[11:42] <space_oddity> koba, I'll help
[11:42] <space_oddity> :-)
[11:42] <koba> thanks : )
[11:42] <space_oddity> open a shell
[11:42] <koba> ok
[11:42] <Quinn_Storm> okay I think I figured out a solution, temporarily holding a ton of packages
[11:42] <space_oddity> and type "sudo -s"
[11:42] <koba> done
[11:42] <Quinn_Storm> it seems one of the evolution packages has a wrong dependency on libcamel 1.2-0 instead of 1.2-3
[11:42] <revelater> how do i play nethack?
[11:43] <dwadeer> need help
[11:43] <space_oddity> do you know wich partition is your fat?
[11:43] <koba> hda1
[11:43] <space_oddity> ok
[11:43] <dwadeer> whenever i want to use gedit is shows me gts display problem
[11:43] <space_oddity> then "kedit /etc/fstab"
[11:43] <space_oddity> or "gedit /etc/fstab"
[11:43] <koba> ok I see
[11:43] <dwadeer> gtk display
[11:44] <koba> ok...I remember this
[11:44] <space_oddity> at the bottom enter "/dev/hda1       /media/hda1    vfat    user     0       0"
[11:44] <koba> I mount /dev/hda1 or just hda?
[11:44] <space_oddity> than save and quit
[11:44] <cyphase> koba: /dev/hda1
[11:44] <space_oddity> /dev/hda1
[11:44] <koba> (by that I mean I insert an entry into fstab)
[11:44] <koba> ok
[11:44] <mishof> theine, im back
[11:44] <koba> thanks
[11:44] <cyphase> np
[11:44] <dwadeer> anyone can help me :) ?
[11:44] <koba> (hope I get the options right)
[11:44] <Pirkei> what does the "user 0 0 " do?
[11:45] <space_oddity> koba... at the bottom enter "/dev/hda1       /media/hda1    vfat    user     0       0"
[11:45] <theine> mishof, do you definately need a kernel driver for this?
[11:45] <space_oddity> this options work fine for me
[11:45] <dwadeer> i can't use gedit
[11:45] <Quinn_Storm> Pirkei: says users can mount it and mounts it during pass 0 and the last one is really useless for modern systems and pretty much should be 0
[11:45] <space_oddity> koba, save and quit
[11:45] <Quinn_Storm> Pirkei: err, not modern systems, I meant useless on desktop systems, sorry
[11:46] <sageek> any clue why when i try to play http with mplayer i get this error: [AO OSS]  audio_setup: Can't open audio device /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy
[11:46] <sageek> alsa-init: 1 soundcard found, using: default
[11:46] <theine> space_oddity, but only root will have write access to the fat partition in this way, no?
[11:46] <space_oddity> no
[11:46] <Pirkei> thanks - i needed help with that
[11:46] <space_oddity> also normal user
[11:46] <koba> you guys are great
[11:46] <skyrider> Hi! What is the right place to report bugs in Hoary?
[11:46] <theine> koba, don't forget to create the actual mount point, 'mkdir /media/hda1'
[11:47] <space_oddity> koba, did you save and quit?
[11:47] <koba> just a sec
[11:47] <koba> fat32 is recognised by fstab right?
[11:47] <koba> as an option?
[11:47] <julo> hi
[11:47] <space_oddity> yes
[11:47] <koba> good
[11:47] <space_oddity> no
[11:47] <koba> I'll reboot and see. ; - )
[11:48] <space_oddity> koba, you most put vfat
[11:48] <cyphase> koba: vfat, not fat32
[11:48] <koba> thanks
[11:48] <koba> good
[11:48] <julo> Since a few days, my USB keys don't seem to work anymore with ubuntu (no entry in /dev/sd*). Is there a way to debug that ?
[11:48] <koba> I would have messed that up
[11:48] <space_oddity> koba, did you save and quit?
[11:49] <theine> space_oddity, I thought only the user who actually mounts the partition has write access in this way...
[11:49] <theine> space_oddity, and root of course...
[11:49] <cyphase> koba: all you need to do after editting fstab is execute mount as root
[11:49] <A-star> Just a question, I am having some problems with freenx.
[11:49] <A-star> I have a french keyboard, but in freenx everything is qwerty
[11:49] <space_oddity> theine, yes
[11:50] <space_oddity> theine, ... I think so! :-)
[11:50] <meta> mplayer just lists a whole heap of dependancies on attempted install
[11:50] <space_oddity> koba, are you there? :-)
[11:50] <koba> yes
[11:50] <theine> space_oddity, but if you leave /etc/fstab like this, it will be mounted at boot time by root and ordinary users won't have write access...
[11:50] <koba> but wait...there is no /dev/hda1
[11:50] <space_oddity> koba, did you save and quit?
[11:50] <mishof> theine, i tried installing it without the kernel patch, but it didnt work (under mandrake it did :\)
[11:50] <koba> I'm looking for it
[11:51] <space_oddity> theine, I think all will be able to write to it
[11:51] <cyphase> theine, space_oddity, no. only root can mount, and has to give permission to other users
[11:51] <theine> space_oddity, I don't...
[11:51] <cyphase> theine, space_oddity, at least in ubuntu
[11:51] <space_oddity> mmm
[11:51] <space_oddity> will try...
[11:51] <theine> cyphase, thanks for backing me up...
[11:51] <koba> I seem to have caused some confusion
[11:51] <cyphase> theine, np
[11:52] <space_oddity> sorry koba must to to lounch!... anyway koba, than do "mkdir /media/hda1"
[11:52] <skyrider> Guys, should I report bugs to the Malone or to the old ubuntu bugzilla?
[11:52] <space_oddity> koba, "mount /media/hda" to mount
[11:52] <koba> thanks for the help anyway
[11:52] <space_oddity> bye!
[11:52] <skyrider> Is Malone in production already?
[11:52] <dwadeer> can anyone help me - i cannot run gedit - it shows me a display problem with gtk
[11:52] <space_oddity> ---------------
[11:52] <Pirkei> dwadeer - wow you have had to ask and wait for a while
[11:53] <dwadeer> ok sorry
[11:53] <Trickyphillips> I'm installing VMWare, and it asks me "What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running kernel?" I looked for the default (/usr/src/linux/include), but it wasn't there. What should it be?
[11:53] <dwadeer> waiting patiently
[11:53] <Quinn_Storm> Trickyphillips: you have to install kernel-headers package
[11:53] <Bazzi> is there a tool which can help me to totally erase my hdds (data should not be recoverable at all), I planned to sue the live cd for that, anything that could help me on that?
[11:53] <Trickyphillips> Ah.. Can I apt-get that?
[11:53] <snowblink> Trickyphillips, you have to install the kernel headers
[11:53] <theine> koba, in order to grant all ordinary users write permission you can pass the appropriate gid and uid to mount, whih you can also specify in /etc/fstab
[11:53] <Pirkei> i was just saying you have been very patient for an answer - just wish i could help you is all.. :/
[11:54] <koba> uid...user id?
[11:54] <theine> koba, yes
[11:54] <koba> thanks...but wait!
[11:54] <koba> I can find no /dev/hda1!
[11:54] <theine> koba, but first see if you can access the fat32 partition as root properly
[11:54] <Pirkei> dwadeer - i am really new to linux
[11:54] <koba> k
[11:54] <Quinn_Storm> Trickyphillips: yeah, apt-get install kernel-headers should work...you may need to do kernel-headers-`uname -r`
[11:54] <snowblink> Trickyphillips, you'll need to install linux-headers-2.6.10-5-386 and build-essential if you want vmware-tools
[11:54] <theine> koba, the user and group id stuff is a bit advanced...
[11:55] <dwadeer> me too and my english isn't great
[11:55] <koba> I'll get there...
[11:55] <Quinn_Storm> Trickyphillips: yeah follow snowblink's advice
[11:55] <dwadeer> :)))
[11:55] <Trickyphillips> Hmm. It looks like I've alread got the linux-kernel-headers package.
[11:55] <koba> but is this going to work if /dev/hda1 doesn't even exist?
[11:55] <theine> koba, alternatively you can not automount the partition and boot time and then mount it as ordinary user whenever you need to access it
[11:55] <snowblink> Trickyphillips, go for the specific one
[11:55] <dwadeer> but i'm trying to use ubuntu
[11:55] <Trickyphillips> Alright. Thanks. :)
[11:55] <revelater> where can i find a guide to nethack?
[11:55] <koba> theine...that is an idea
[11:56] <dwadeer> the problem is i don't have connection at home
[11:56] <dwadeer> only slow modem
[11:56] <theine> koba, that's accomplished by replacing 'user' with 'user,noauto' in /etc/fstab
[11:56] <koba> yup
[11:56] <koba> noauto...
[11:56] <revelater> where can i find a guide to nethack?
[11:56] <dwadeer> so i will ask another questionL jest tu kto z polski ???
[11:56] <liable> koba: are you just trying to mount a vfat partition rw?
[11:56] <sageek> from where can ig et wineX?
[11:56] <theine> koba, you can then mount the partition as ordinary user with 'mount /media/hda1' whenever you need to
[11:57] <Pirkei> there is a nice program i found looking for a firewall yesterday - "translator" if i were any good at linux i would of installed it. - i want to learn french irc and that program would be great.
[11:57] <koba> yeah
[11:57] <koba> it will be fine
[11:57] <revelater> i know some of you at least play nethack...
[11:57] <theine> koba, i'm sure it will :)
[11:57] <HrdwrBoB> Pirkei:  would 'have' :)
[11:57] <koba> but lol...I'm worried that /dev/hda1 doesn't exist
[11:57] <liable> koba: mount /dev/hda1 -t vfat -o user,umask=000 /media/xxxx
[11:58] <theine> koba, that's easy to find out
[11:58] <theine> koba, 'ls /dev/hd*' and see what's there...
[11:59] <koba> ls: /dev/hd*: No such file or directory
[11:59] <koba> thought so
[11:59] <koba> it used to be called hda1 on the Mepis system
[11:59] <theine> koba, odd... do you have an SCSI disk by any chance?
[11:59] <koba> don't think so
[11:59] <koba> no
[11:59] <_-InMa-_> buenos dias, bon dia, good morning!
[11:59] <theine> koba, what are the other entries in /etc/fstab ?
[12:00] <theine> koba, i.e. what device names are listed in there?
[12:00] <koba> hmm..interesting now you point that out
[12:00] <koba> my root partition (i used to call hda4) is under /dev/sda4
[12:00] <cyphase> koba, open the device manager and scroll down to the hard drive section
[12:01] <theine> koba, does /dev/sda1 exist?
[12:01] <koba> let me check
[12:01] <koba> that would be the one
[12:01] <netmatix> hi all
[12:01] <cyphase> hey netmatrix
[12:01] <koba> yup
[12:01] <netmatix> i got a problem with ubuntu 5.04 hoary
[12:01] <theine> koba, you seem to have an SCSI disk as I see it...
[12:01] <koba> that must be it
[12:01] <koba> LOL
[12:01] <cyphase> nematix*
[12:01] <cyphase> lol
[12:01] <netmatix> cant find applications://
[12:01] <netmatix> in nautilus
[12:01] <koba> thanks...telling me new things about my hardware...
[12:01] <cyphase> i don't think it exists netmatix
[12:01] <theine> koba, /dev/sda1 wasn't listed in /etc/fstab before I guess?
[12:01] <koba> it is a damn branded PC..
[12:01] <netmatix> how to edit menu then?
[12:01] <koba> don't know a thing about it
[12:02] <koba> yes...it will be sda1
[12:02] <netmatix> does anyone know how to edit the applications menu?
[12:02] <theine> koba, alright
[12:02] <netmatix> cause its freakin me out
[12:02] <koba> theine: thanks a lot
[12:02] <theine> koba, np
[12:03] <sharke> Netmatix install menu -edit
[12:03] <cyphase> netmatix, try looking at the docs
[12:03] <netmatix> well i used debian before
[12:03] <netmatix> always worked by typing applications:// in nautilus
[12:04] <theine> netmatix, that was abandoned in gnome 2.10
[12:04] <theine> asfar as i know...
[12:04] <netmatix> hmm
[12:04] <netmatix> so how to install menu edit?
[12:04] <netmatix> package or what?
[12:04] <koba> theine: It works! : - ))
[12:05] <cyphase> why does the media always call any kind of computer problem a "computer glitch"
[12:05] <cyphase> if a plane crashes, it was "a computer glitch"
[12:05] <cyphase> lol
[12:05] <theine> koba, congratulations
[12:06] <cyphase> koooba! koooba! koooba!
[12:06] <cyphase> ;)
[12:06] <d> I've searched the wiki, but it says nothing about getting USB HID support working under Hoary. I want to get my Gravis USB pad working.
[12:06] <DanglyBits> is firefox 1.0.3 available for ubuntu?
[12:06] <cyphase> DanglyBits: not yet
[12:06] <netmatix> i cant get it to work
[12:06] <netmatix> how to edit the damn applications menu
[12:06] <netmatix> this was so easy with debian
[12:07] <d> If I type 'modprobe hid' as root I'm just told the module doesn't exist
[12:07] <theine> netmatix, http://dev.realistanew.com/menu-editor/
[12:07] <netmatix> thx
[12:07] <DanglyBits> cyphase: hasnt it been out for about a week already?
[12:07] <d> So, no USB HID support under Hoary?
[12:07] <theine> netmatix, if you use Gnome 2.10 under Debian you will have the same problem...
[12:08] <sharke> netamix look here http://ubuntuguide.org/temp/#menu-editor
[12:08] <Quinn_Storm> d: is hotplug installed?
[12:08] <d> (unless I recompile the kernel- not very desktop/ beginner friendly)
[12:08] <snowblink> does anyone know how to setup firefox to understand bash/emacs key sequences (eg. CTRL-A, CTRL-U)
[12:08] <d> quinn: If I check dmesg?
[12:09] <Quinn_Storm> d: hotplug isn't part of the kernel so it wouldn't show up in dmesg, its a package
[12:09] <theine> snowblink, I'd like to find that out too...
[12:10] <Lito> Hi, is ther any tool for renaming files??
[12:10] <snowblink> Lito, man mv
[12:11] <d> I can't see any mention of hotplug in my /var/log/dmesg ?
[12:11] <d> is that the place to look?
[12:11] <cyphase> what do you guys think about the idea of having a python based language for client side web programming?
[12:12] <Trickyphillips> Snowblink & Quinn: Thanks for the help! I got VMWare fully installed. :)
[12:12] <d> quinn: so, if I get hotplug going, will this somehow enable USB HID support, hence my pad?
[12:13] <d> I hate kernel re-compiles :/
[12:13] <InitMass> anyone who know how to get urxvt to look like this http://www.lynucs.org/index.php?screen_id=5658803134264b38d2bf33&p=screen
[12:13] <InitMass> ?
[12:13] <Quinn_Storm> Trickyphillips: sure, thougn it was snowblink who really got it right
[12:14] <d> How do I make sure hotplug gets loaded at boot?
[12:14] <snowblink> Quinn_Storm, heh - just installed it myself last week
[12:14] <InitMass> d, add them before boot
[12:14] <Lito> who use here a podcast tool for the ipod?
[12:14] <snowblink> Trickyphillips, now if you if you find out how to deal with the clock drift, tell me
[12:14] <InitMass> d, add the device before boot
[12:14] <Quinn_Storm> snowblink: heh, I don't have much need for it, I personally just rdesktop into a windows box in the corner if I need windows
[12:15] <d> init: do you mean pass a commamd to grub?
[12:15] <d> edit the grub config file maybe?
[12:15] <cyphase> Lito: i don't have an iPod, but i use bashpodder for podcasts. im actually currently working on a python script for podcasts
[12:15] <pixil9> Lito: try gtkpod
[12:15] <Lito> does work ok?
[12:16] <snowblink> Quinn_Storm, I'm waiting for my laptop to arrive which I'll install Ubuntu on. In the meantime, I have to VMware it on someone's spare windows box...
[12:16] <d> I thought this might be that rc.update thing innit? rc.update hotplug or summat?? (just guessing here)
[12:16] <liable> d: dpkg -L hotplug, what do you see
[12:16] <Quinn_Storm> snowblink: ah, I see.  the windows box I'm talking about is only a windows box b/c it has to be (only way I can use the wireless card I own), its a not-a-laptop (dead screen&battery) that sits in the corner silently bridging the network
[12:17] <d> liabe: hotplug seems to be installed then
[12:17] <Trickyphillips> snowblink: Can't you just use a timeserver?
[12:17] <d> how do I get it going at boot?
[12:17] <snowblink> Trickyphillips, I've tried everything. NTP, recompiling the kernel, etc. Whatever I do, the clock loses time
[12:18] <Trickyphillips> :(
[12:18] <liable> d: plug the device in, then, dmesg | tail, whats dmesg tell ya
[12:18] <xerox> hi!
[12:18] <goldfish> haylo
[12:18] <Trickyphillips> snowblink: Take a look at http://www.vmware.com/support/kb/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=1225
[12:18] <Trickyphillips> I don't know if that will do anything for you.
[12:19] <d> liable: a proper newb quezzie this! I know I could just copy/paste yr pipe into a terminal, but what keyboard command is it to get that pipe?
[12:19] <pixil9> Is 5.04 one of two yearly releases?
[12:19] <d> I've got a UK keyboard here
[12:19] <nixbox> hi all
[12:19] <xerox> Just a question: while ago, there were _many_ updates, even hundreds of megs every two days.. why there aren't more now? apt-get update; upgrade; dist-upgrade, says it's all updated.. what's going on exactly?
[12:19] <nixbox> how to upgrade the package list in ubuntu?
[12:19] <netmatix_> oh my god guys
[12:19] <netmatix_> the menu editor just sucks
[12:19] <nixbox> i am trying to do "apt-get install nmap", it cant find the package
[12:19] <liable> d: on my keyboard, key above enter + shift (key with forward slash)
[12:19] <xerox> nixbox, apt-get update
[12:19] <netmatix_> i want the applications function back
[12:20] <seanj> hi people
[12:20] <snowblink> Trickyphillips, cheers - have to investigate the ACPI/APM angle. The problem with clock drifts is that it takes time to see if it's working or not!
[12:20] <nixbox> xerox, apt-get update quickly ends ...
[12:20] <xerox> nixbox, it downloads the last package listings from your repositories
[12:20] <netmatix_> whos using the menu editor?
[12:20] <liable> d: erm s/forward/backward
[12:20] <Trickyphillips> Well.. Good luck with it. :)
[12:20] <nixbox> xerox, within 2 seconds, i have installed ubuntu from the cds i had received, there should have been some updates available
[12:21] <xerox> nixbox, I'm experiencing the same thing, no updates from many days..
[12:21] <nixbox> xerox, within 2 seconds apt-get update ends .... does it really update, how can i be sure?
[12:21] <Quinn_Storm> xerox: nixbox that's b/c Hoary Hedgehog is released
[12:21] <netmatix_> please help... need to change apllications menu...menu eeditor sucks
[12:21] <snowblink> nixbox, xerox have you updated your repos?
[12:21] <Quinn_Storm> nixbox: apt-get update only updates the package lists, to update packages do apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:21] <cyphase> nixbox, have you added the appropriate repositories?
[12:21] <xerox> snowblink, what do you mean?
[12:22] <nixbox> Quinn_Storm, i know that, but there should be some updates to the list as well, it shouldnt end that quickly, should it?
[12:22] <snowblink> xerox, after install you may have to enable the online repositories
[12:22] <nixbox> cyphase, no .. i dont know how to add repositories
[12:22] <Quinn_Storm> nixbox: hoary hedgehog is pretty much stable now so actually there probably won't be much change
[12:22] <snowblink> xerox, check your sources.list
[12:22] <d> Oh yeah! Spotted it! Its right next to left shift on a UK keyboard
[12:22] <xerox> snowblink, I have it installed for some time.  It upgraded many times the first days.. then, no more updates!
[12:22] <snowblink> nixbox, xerox there will only be security updates for hoary from now on.
[12:22] <netmatix_> they dropped the cool applications function from nautilus
[12:22] <netmatix_> damnit
[12:23] <netmatix_> menu editor doesnt work for me
[12:23] <cyphase> nixbox, edit the /etc/apt/sources/list
[12:23] <xerox> snowblink, uh!
[12:23] <cyphase> file
[12:23] <cyphase> sources.lis*
[12:23] <cyphase> ahhhh..
[12:23] <cyphase> sources.list*
[12:23] <xerox> snowblink, interesting, is another release out there?
[12:23] <nixbox> cyphase, alright its updating now, thanks
[12:24] <marcin_ant> Quinn_Storm: well I got simmilar "problem" no updates in apt for about 7 days
[12:24] <snowblink> xerox, breezy = hoary+1
[12:24] <cyphase> nixbox, np
[12:24] <marcin_ant> Quinn_Storm: strange
[12:24] <Quinn_Storm> marcin_ant: yeah, hoary is released.
[12:24] <seanj> i uh, don't see a menu editor in the applications menu o_O
[12:24] <Quinn_Storm> marcin_ant: that's what being released means in ubuntu
[12:24] <snowblink> xerox, but that's the one they're working on
[12:24] <seanj> hoary
[12:24] <xerox> snowblink, so, by "updating your repos" you mean s/hoary/breezy/ in sources.list?
[12:24] <netmatix_> see
[12:24] <netmatix_> its gone
[12:24] <marcin_ant> Quinn_Storm: I know that it is released - but no updates at all?
[12:24] <snowblink> xerox, would not recommend that
[12:24] <snowblink> xerox, what exactly are you trying to do?
[12:24] <Quinn_Storm> marcin_ant: there's nothing that /needs/ updating
[12:24] <nixbox> if i start the update process while working, does it effect something? I mean can I continue working while the upgrade is going on?
[12:24] <d> Weird! I just did that dmesg | tail after plugging my USB pad in and its spewed some errors at me. I've had it working under LInux (on the PPC, too!) in the past
[12:24] <netmatix_> the menu edit function needs update..
[12:24] <Pirkei> where is the menu application editor?
[12:25] <netmatix_> yeah
[12:25] <netmatix_> exactly
[12:25] <netmatix_> my point
[12:25] <netmatix_> :-)
[12:25] <seanj> lol my usb gamepad died when i plugged it, it's toast
[12:25] <netmatix_> Pirkei
[12:25] <netmatix_> i got the same prob
[12:25] <xerox> snowblink, getting software updates!
[12:25] <liable> d: what errors?
[12:25] <netmatix_> LOL
[12:25] <xerox> snowblink, for example, GAIM says it's _old_, and no updates come from apt-get update/upgrade/dist-upgrade
[12:25] <pixil9> gr how can i get my clock to goto 12 hour format?
[12:25] <netmatix_> menu editor is a joke compared to apllications function
[12:25] <seanj> i never did like the gnome menu setup, but since everything appears to be there i'm not complainin' :)
[12:26] <marcin_ant> Quinn_Storm: well really? gnome 2.10.1 released today and they won't provide packages for this release?
[12:26] <jaku> hi, I have a thinkpad r40e, the kayborad works well.. but i can not use the virtual numeric keyborad (numlock).. in the keyboard setting i can not fine my model.. any idea?
[12:26] <snowblink> xerox, your repositories are pointing to hoary?
[12:26] <Quinn_Storm> marcin_ant: not in hoary, it'll be in breezy, that's what "stable" means
[12:26] <netmatix_> i just want to add custom menu items
[12:26] <seanj> pixil9, right mouse click on the clock, select 12 hour format
[12:26] <xerox> snowblink, yes they are.
[12:26] <netmatix_> damnit
[12:26] <netmatix_> was so easy with debian
[12:26] <seanj> err "preferences" first lol sorry
[12:26] <nixbox> how can i search the for available packages, because when i do apt-get install nmap, it gives an error saying the package was not found.
[12:26] <sharke> netamix http://ubuntuguide.org/temp/#menu-editor
[12:26] <marcin_ant> Quinn_Storm: so... I should add some new repos to apt?
[12:26] <snowblink> xerox: well I'd install GAIM separately or use backports (if someone has done it)
[12:27] <Quinn_Storm> marcin_ant: well you -can- but breezy isn't quite ready yet
[12:27] <Quinn_Storm> nixbox: apt-cache search
[12:27] <snowblink> xerox, you can of course go to breezy, but then your have a less stable system
[12:27] <marcin_ant> Quinn_Storm: I see
[12:27] <marcin_ant> Quinn_Storm: ok
[12:27] <xerox> snowblink, it's strange because GAIM is in the default install, so I tought something was going wrong :)
[12:27] <seanj> The following NEW packages will be installed:
[12:27] <seanj>   libpcre3 nmap
[12:27] <seanj> hmm
[12:27] <pixil9> seanj: thanks.
[12:27] <seanj> np pixil9
[12:27] <xerox> snowblink, OK, thanks much for the help.
[12:27] <nixbox> ubuntu doesn't have nmap?
[12:27] <snowblink> nixbox, yes it does
[12:27] <seanj> i just installed hoary and nmap was available
[12:28] <netmatix_> hmm i already have the menu editor
[12:28] <nixbox> how can i install nmap then
[12:28] <mishof> Where would be a good folder to put a perl script in ? =P
[12:28] <netmatix_> but its just not good
[12:28] <netmatix_> cant change parent items
[12:28] <seanj> i put perl scripts in ~/bin/scripts/perl/
[12:28] <snowblink> nixbox, sudo apt-get install nmap
[12:28] <xerox> snowblink, last thing, when would it be OK to s/hoary/breezy/ down there?
[12:29] <seanj> as in mkdir -p ~/bin/scripts/perl && mv ~/*.pl ~/bin/scripts/pl :P
[12:29] <mishof> seanj, but i dont want it to be for my user only
[12:29] <nixbox> snowblink, it says it cant find the package
[12:29] <pixil9> another question.. anyone know where i can get some pimp themes?
[12:29] <snowblink> xerox, whenever you feel up to it
[12:29] <seanj> ohh ok mishof.. how about /usr/local/bin ?
[12:29] <liable> jaku: have a look at tpb, dunno if it does the numlock though
[12:29] <seanj> it's usually wise to put custom stuff in /usr/local some place
[12:29] <snowblink> nixbox, what repositories do you have enabled?
[12:29] <kent> pixil9, pimp themes?
[12:29] <pixil9> metacity themes :P
[12:29] <xerox> snowblink, interesting, in fact I installed hoary while he was a snapshot.  I think I'll breezy it out.
[12:29] <seanj> haha pimp! gnomelook.org ?
[12:30] <mishof> seanj, will i then be able to do from anywhere "perl foo.perl" (because its in PATH) or not ?
[12:30] <kent> pixil9, gnome-look.org
[12:30] <snowblink> xerox, hoary was near end of cycle. Breezy just started about a week ago
[12:30] <nixbox> snowblink, deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty-security main restricted
[12:30] <nixbox> deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty-security main restricted
[12:30] <seanj> mishof, if /usr/local/bin is in your search path, then yup :)
[12:30] <seanj> woohoo, it's in mine so i guess that's a default setting
[12:30] <cyphase> nixbox, oh, this is warty..
[12:30] <pixil9> alright
[12:30] <nixbox> whats the difference between warty and hoary
[12:31] <kent> pixil9, and art.gnome.org  (gnome-look.org and gnomelook.org is the same..)
[12:31] <seanj> i ordered a whole bunch of cd's but not sure when they might arrive so i downloaded Hoary last night.. so far I really like it
[12:31] <netmatix_> damn menu editor
[12:31] <netmatix_> its freaking me out
[12:31] <snowblink> nixbox, warty is 6 months old. Hoary is the latest release
[12:31] <snowblink> nixbox you should still have nmap on warty though
[12:31] <nixbox> snowblink, repositories for hoary?
[12:31] <snowblink> nixbox do you have lines which say warty (not warty-security)?
[12:31] <d> will there be a hoary maintenenance release?
[12:32] <jaku> liable: i installed tpb, but how I can set up it?
[12:32] <Pirkei> sean - kudos to Ubuntu - it found all my hardware.
[12:32] <netmatix_> does anyone use the menu editor?
[12:32] <netmatix_> its not working for me
[12:32] <nixbox> snowblink, yes but they are still commented, tell me the repositories for hoary so i can update
[12:32] <snowblink> nixbox, you can upgrade from warty to hoary, but you don't need to to get nmap
[12:32] <xerox> snowblink, in the end, is it hazard to pull breezy? but, is it the only way to get updated packages? would apt-get upgrade break something, without dist-upgrade breezy ?
[12:32] <netmatix_> doesnt save
[12:32] <liable> jaku: sorry dont know, I have all my buttons that I need working with ibm-acpi (dont use numlock)
[12:32] <seanj> nixbox, you could always check out the release notes if you want an idea of what changed: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/ReleaseNotes504/document_view
[12:32] <snowblink> xerox - would recommend you just download and install gaim
[12:32] <nixbox> snowblink, how do i upgrad?e
[12:32] <xerox> snowblink, okay. Thanks again.
[12:33] <liable> jaku: but i'm sure there is a tutorial out there somewhere
[12:33] <snowblink> nixbox, uncomment those repos and try again
[12:33] <seanj> sorry xerox augh
[12:33] <d> liable: did you get my dmesg dump?
[12:33] <nixbox> snowblink, for upgrading to hoary?
[12:33] <seanj> it sure is busy in here
[12:33] <snowblink> nixbox, no. To get nmap
[12:33] <liable> d: what you messaged me?
[12:34] <d> liable: is it kernel recompile or nothing?
[12:34] <snowblink> nixbox, sorry but I don't have time to talk you through warty->hoary
[12:34] <e-type> hi all
[12:34] <e-type> fine days everywhere?
[12:34] <seanj> hi e-type
[12:34] <xerox> seanj, ?
[12:34] <d> liable: that was the output after plugging in my usb pad
[12:34] <seanj> so far!
[12:34] <e-type> nice ;)
[12:34] <d> liable: you didn't get it?
[12:34] <seanj> xerox, you asked what the diff was between warty and hoary, i figured the release notes would be helpful..
[12:34] <seanj> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/ReleaseNotes504/document_view
[12:35] <liable> d: yep, didnt notice,
[12:35] <netmatix_> please anyone tell me how u edit your menu
[12:35] <netmatix_> menu editor doesnt work
[12:35] <xerox> seanj, I do _have_ hoary. I was thinking about breezy.
[12:35] <seanj> although it reads more like a sales pitch lol
[12:35] <seanj> oh. sorry
[12:35] <netmatix_> just doesnt save
[12:35] <seanj> i better keep quiet
[12:35] <netmatix_> the damn thing
[12:35] <liable> d: dont think kernel compile will help, tried googling the errors
[12:35] <xerox> seanj, I probably need another ChangeLog, the breezy one..
[12:35] <liable> d: what kernel you got?
[12:36] <seanj> hmm looks to me like apps for Hoary are pretty close to bleeding-edge.. i doubt there would be any advantage in using a development release
[12:36] <d> 2.6.10-5-k7
[12:36] <d> I'm running a Athlon machine
[12:36] <netmatix_> i want applications:// back
[12:36] <netmatix_> :-(
[12:36] <goldfish> hah
[12:36] <netmatix_> ubuntu rocks
[12:37] <xerox> seanj, do you know how to get a more recente GAIM?
[12:37] <netmatix_> but
[12:37] <netmatix_> missing applications:// sucks
[12:37] <netmatix_> as hell
[12:37] <goldfish> isn't there some editor you can get?
[12:37] <netmatix_> THEY NEED TO FIX THIS
[12:37] <netmatix_> its not worrking
[12:37] <netmatix_> the editor
[12:38] <seanj> holy crow, i didn't realise GAIM was so old.. geez.. no debs either on their site
[12:38] <d> Does this Ubuntu kernel support all major USB chipsets, or were some left out?
[12:38] <xerox> seanj, maybe we can tell someone competent to update the ubuntu's gaim deb?
[12:38] <seanj> lmao xerox
[12:39] <netmatix_> better tell them to get the menu eddit function working
[12:39] <netmatix_> LOL
[12:39] <seanj> i'm beginning to wonder.. outdated, insecure firefox, gaim too...
[12:39] <liable> d: can you use other usb devices
[12:39] <xerox> seanj, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=23937
[12:39] <seanj> and the applications:// missing from gnome 2.10.. what were they thinking? i should go badger the gnome people
[12:39] <seanj> looking, xerox
[12:39] <netmatix_> yeah
[12:40] <seanj> xerox, any idea what "staging"  is? never heared of it
[12:40] <seanj> heard*
[12:40] <xerox> seanj, me neither
[12:41] <seanj> doh!
[12:41] <spiral> hi
[12:41] <seanj> this is kind of scary
[12:41] <seanj> hi spiral
[12:41] <spiral> could anyone help me with a wifi prism card ?
[12:41] <kent> hmm, now I only see 15k ~ submissions on hwdb.ubuntu.com.  Did i dream about seeing ~20k some day ago?
[12:41] <seanj> i guesssss the source code might be an option for some of this stuff but that does kinda defeat the purpose of all this
[12:42] <mHKm> where can i get linux source code?
[12:42] <njan> mHKm, if you mean the linux kernel, www.kernel.org
[12:42] <seanj> well, at least GAIM's Changelog doesn't indicate any sever security bugs
[12:42] <xerox> gaim:
[12:42] <xerox>   Installed: 1:1.1.4-1ubuntu4
[12:42] <xerox>   Candidate: 1:1.2.1-1~5.04ubp1
[12:42] <d> liable: I've used a externel USB2 HDD OK under Ubuntu on this machine
[12:42] <xerox> ta-da! It's not in -staging seanj
[12:43] <seanj> njan, it must have meant kernel cuz otherwise we'd be talking about GNU/Linux :P
[12:43] <mHKm> thanks njan
[12:43] <seanj> argh xerox .. great
[12:43] <njan> seanj, I don't use GNU/Linux :p
[12:43] <netmatix_> i tested almost every usage with ubuntu
[12:43] <netmatix_> it all rocks
[12:43] <njan> seanj, I use a distribution based around the linux kernel with some GNU tools slapped on for valueadd :p
[12:43] <seanj> lmao
[12:43] <xerox> seanj, yup -- then I'll comment out those backports, tough :-)
[12:43] <netmatix_> just the missing applications:///
[12:43] <netmatix_> sucks
[12:43] <mHKm> http://www.linuxsucks.org/
[12:43] <d> how about making sure uhci is loaded too? modprobe uhci or something is it?
[12:43] <mHKm> hehheh
[12:44] <seanj> that's too true, njan
[12:44] <seanj> i just felt like tooting the GNU horn for a sec, sorry
[12:44] <njan> seanj, ;)
[12:44] <GuruFF> helo :) i need help mounting drives and nautilus stuff...
[12:44] <liable> d: it'd be loaded, otherwise you wouldnt see anything from dmesg
[12:45] <seanj> this is strange for me, i'm a KDE kid but so far so good
[12:45] <aLeSD> hi
[12:45] <seanj> hyello!
[12:46] <liable> d: is there a newer kernel-image available on what your running
[12:46] <aLeSD> I compiled the vanilla kernel 2.6.10 ... but now I can't use nvidia driver and ipw2200 driver . How could I do?
[12:46] <GarySaved> Does anyone know what is up with Evolution in Breezy?
[12:47] <xerox> Anyway, thanks much everyone, byebye!
[12:47] <snowblink> oh theine quit. Anyway http://occy.net/node/56 for those who want to firefox to use emacs keybindings...
[12:47] <seanj> i really want to answer that thing about nvidia drivers but it would take pages
[12:47] <Quinn_Storm> GarySaved: one of the library packages has a wrong dependency (on 1.2-0 instead of 1.2-3)
[12:47] <nixbox> snowblink, just gimme some pointers
[12:47] <nixbox> snowblink, i will do the rest
[12:47] <PacoBCN> GarySaved, I wouldn't move to breezy yet
[12:47] <spiral> nobody for prism wifi ?
[12:47] <linux_galore> aLeSD: the nvidia installer needs to be run again with a new kernel
[12:47] <aLeSD> seanj: I have to compile them another time... but I'm newby of ubuntu
[12:48] <PacoBCN> GarySaved, I find it much more buggie than when Hoary showed up for testing
[12:48] <seanj> aLeSD, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/Official_nVidia <- might help
[12:48] <e-type> spiral: what's the trouble?
[12:48] <seanj> the basic instructions are there
[12:48] <snowblink> nixbox, check the wiki - there is a page about upgrading
[12:48] <GarySaved> PacoBCN, Sounds like a major headache to switch back to Hoary.
[12:48] <snowblink> nixbox, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryUpgradeNotes/view?searchterm=upgrade
[12:48] <spiral> e-type: when I type 'iwconfig', it says me that the device isn't ready...
[12:49] <d> liable: yeah, I'm downloading 2.6.11 now...
[12:49] <PacoBCN> GarySaved, hehe, I don't know that, for the first time in my life I could resist the tentation of upgrading
[12:49] <e-type> spiral: you got the kernel module loaded?
[12:49] <spiral> and when I try ifconfig it, I get a "timeout expiration"
[12:49] <e-type> and wlan0 is present?
[12:49] <spiral> e-type: not wlan0, eth0...
[12:49] <spiral> but the module prism54 is loaded
[12:50] <GarySaved> PacoBCN, Hehe ... I do like being on the bleeding edge!
[12:50] <e-type> spiral: should be that alright
[12:50] <GarySaved> I lost USB too.
[12:50] <kent> PacoBCN, its a wellknown fact that new development-branches are VERY buggy for some time. Wait some month and you can change and have just the "normal" problems..
[12:50] <PacoBCN> kent, Yes, I even remember when wasty was buggy :D
[12:51] <GarySaved> It will go back to everything stable, if I chenge 'breezy' to 'hoary' in my package reposatories?
[12:51] <liable> d: what are you trying to connect anywho
[12:51] <kent> PacoBCN, I didn't use ubuntu at that time. I started using it with the very last pre-release of warty. And it had no problems.
[12:51] <Gandalfar> after upgrading to breezy my sata drives aren't recognized anymore
[12:52] <PacoBCN> kent, well, Ubuntu convinced me even when it was buggy :)
[12:52] <GarySaved> Gandalfar, I believe that is a USB problem.  THey are hooked in thru USB ?
[12:52] <e-type> spiral: what card is it exactly?
[12:52] <Gandalfar> GarySaved: no, through motherboard sata controller
[12:53] <PacoBCN> kent, and convinced very "convinced" fedora users to switch to Ubuntu... and without paying them!
[12:53] <GarySaved> Well, I am off to switch.  Thanks!
[12:53] <Gandalfar> GarySaved: /dev/sda and /dev/sdb just dissapered
[12:53] <pixil9> Ubuntu is damn nice. I'm gonna make my friends and family run it who don't game
[12:53] <larsrohdin> when i play a .avi file in mplayer, the sound sometimes cant keep up with the movie... what can be wrong?
[12:53] <aLeSD> I have the same problem for the ipw2200 driver
[12:54] <pixil9> lars: how slow is your computer
[12:54] <seanj> pixil9, looks like cvs Cedega is going to fix most qualms i have about losing my games, too :)
[12:54] <erik_> anyone know why kopete and amsn dont work in ubuntu?
[12:54] <seanj> erik_, no kde?
[12:54] <PacoBCN> larsrohdin, you mean it's not syncronized?
[12:54] <pixil9> seanj: what is that?
[12:54] <larsrohdin> pixil9, not slow...it works fine when i try the clip in windows... its a new computer
[12:54] <erik_> i have installed kde, but it dont pop up as an alternative in the login screen
[12:55] <larsrohdin> PacoBCN, exectly... pardon my bad english=)
[12:55] <seanj> pixil9, it's a fork of WINE you can get at transgaming.com, subcription $$$ but you can also get it using cvs and pray that it builds using gcc
[12:55] <seanj> runs directx games..
[12:55] <seanj> some
[12:55] <Pirkei> seanj how can i get a copy of cedega?
[12:55] <kent> erik_, you have to write more than "dont work", like, what is the problem more exactly..
[12:55] <larsrohdin> Pirkei, www.transgaming.com right?
[12:55] <seanj> sec, i'll go find the link for cvs
[12:55] <seanj> they hide it :/
[12:55] <pixil9> ah
[12:55] <erik_> amsn and kopete dont log me in
[12:55] <Pirkei> Thank You :)
[12:55] <PacoBCN> larsrohdin, don't worry, my English is even worse :), BTW, I heard there are problems sometimes with mplayer syncro
[12:55] <erik_> so i cant chat on msn
[12:55] <pitti> Hey ogra
[12:56] <PacoBCN> larsrohdin, did you try totem-xine?
[12:56] <ogra> hey pitti
[12:56] <PacoBCN> larsrohdin, never had problems of that type with it
[12:56] <pixil9> my comp sux anyway.. 1.06 ghz
[12:56] <kent> erik_, and you are sure you have the login-stuff correct? Does gaim work?
[12:56] <erik_> yes it should be correct. Tryed gaim to, same problem
[12:56] <seanj> mine's 1.6 and some things still drag... most of my games are oldish tho so that's ok
[12:56] <larsrohdin> PacoBCN, ok, ill have to try...
[12:57] <PacoBCN> larsrohdin, and the gui is much much nicer
[12:57] <Pirkei> lol Ubuntu gave my old macine a new life - my 2.9g new machine is idle 'cept for gamming
[12:57] <seanj> here we go, Cedega CVS: http://www.transgaming.com/sources.php
[12:57] <snowblink> erik_, check your firewall ports
[12:57] <seanj> probably could have guessed that url lol
[12:57] <kent> erik_, if you also have problems with gaim, and the other clients. Then most likely it is something wrong with either the login/password, network or something. Becaus gaim works for me, and I do recall testing Kopete aswell some time ago.
[12:57] <larsrohdin> yeah, but i use to run mplayer with xmms... it worked perfect until yesterday=) but ill give totem-xine a try
[12:58] <erik_> kent, i use msn in windows, and it works fine there
[12:58] <Pirkei> I missed the link - sorry.
[12:58] <cyphase> Poll: Who thinks Gaim and GnomeMeeting should be merged?
[12:58] <erik_> snowblink, dont have a firewal right now
[12:58] <Gandalfar> huh, I can see the sata drive in /proc/scsi/scsi
[12:58] <pixil9> so is cedega all OpenGL?
[12:59] <Gandalfar> pixil9: it uses opengl for drawing stuff to screen
[12:59] <pixil9> cool
[12:59] <seanj> i'm not sure pixil9, i knoow OpenGL games work very well most of the time.. i'm only guessing that their directx stuff converts to OpenGL
[12:59] <Pirkei> it also supports Directx 8
[12:59] <seanj> and a little of 9 for Half Life 2
[12:59] <seanj> just enough, i think lol
[01:00] <seanj> <3 marketting :)
[01:00] <rizla> good morning
[01:00] <seanj> hello, rizla
[01:00] <rizla> hi seanj
[01:00] <pixil9> cool
[01:00] <kent> erik_, but you settings for the network might not be the same as in windows. Do some of the clients give you an error of any kind?
[01:00] <rizla> i've a problem: i can't install avidemux
[01:00] <pixil9> I'd pay for cedega if it worked really good
[01:00] <pixil9> i'd never use windows again
[01:00] <PacoBCN> just for curiosity, how much do virgin DVDs (4.7Gb) cost where you live?
[01:01] <larsrohdin> PacoBCN, yeah it seems to work better, thanks alot!
[01:01] <Pirkei> seanj Did i miss the URL?
[01:01] <erik_> kent, no just login error
[01:01] <pixil9> PacoBCN: 50 cents
[01:01] <pixil9> er no 25 cents
[01:01] <PacoBCN> larsrohdin, you're welcome
[01:01] <seanj> Pirkei, it's http://www.transgaming.com/sources.php
[01:01] <rizla> PacoBCN, if i buy 50 or more Dvd, i pay 0,35 each one
[01:02] <PacoBCN> pixil9, cents of what? :)
[01:02] <pixil9> PacoBCN: canadian
[01:02] <rizla> PacoBCN, 0,35 euro/cent
[01:02] <kent> erik_, as in "Login error" and nothing more than that?
[01:02] <PacoBCN> pixil9, ok, more or less like here in Spain
[01:02] <larsrohdin> in sweden we have kronor... if you want to make it even more confusing=)
[01:02] <eleusis> sup
[01:03] <koba> hello
[01:03] <PacoBCN> rizla, that's in Italy, right?
[01:03] <eleusis> kronor?
[01:03] <rizla> yes PacoBCN
[01:03] <PacoBCN> rizla, ok, thanks
[01:03] <larsrohdin> yeah our money is called kronor
[01:03] <erik_> kent, it just stops in the middle of the login.
[01:03] <koba> could anyone kindly tell me how to assign keyboard shortcuts in gnome?
[01:03] <eleusis> hi
[01:03] <koba> hiya
[01:03] <goldfish> koba: there something in the menu
[01:03] <goldfish> afaik
[01:03] <kent> larsrohdin, you do know about #ubuntu.se ? The coolest idle-place there is! :)
[01:04] <eleusis> larsrohdin: kronor? i thought it was sek..
[01:04] <koba> I've looked...which one?
[01:04] <erik_> kent, now i got reading error
[01:04] <koba> I mean...shortcuts to open specific programs and the like
[01:04] <Mipfi> i don't find gstreamer0.8-lame ?? how can i install it ?
[01:04] <erik_> on Getting cookie
[01:04] <larsrohdin> eleusis, yeah SEK is short for Svenska kronor = Swedish kronor... kronor = crowns...
[01:05] <kent> erik_, reading error?  I meen, does it say "Reading error" or something more? It seems strange that it dont work,  its probably just something with your network..
[01:05] <eleusis> ahhh
[01:05] <eleusis> makes sense :D
[01:05] <larsrohdin> like in USA there money isnt called USD...right=?
[01:05] <eleusis> yeah
[01:05] <erik_> kent, the network should be fine
[01:05] <eleusis> hmm
[01:06] <eleusis> when is ubuntu-calendar-april being released? :P
[01:06] <snowblink> eleusis, out already
[01:06] <eleusis> it is?
[01:06] <snowblink> eleusis, green with some hand prints
[01:06] <eleusis> hmm
[01:06] <kent> erik_, well, I doubt it. I meen, its very unlikly that all msn-clients at the same time dont work for you, when they work for other people..  But file a bug in bugzilla.ubuntu.com and it might get solved.. they respond very quickly there.
[01:06] <snowblink> eleusis, maybe not on warty though...
[01:06] <eleusis> :)
[01:07] <erik_> kent, ok thanks
[01:07] <eleusis> snowblink: how do i get it?
[01:07] <snowblink> eleusis, you're on hoary?
[01:07] <eleusis> snowblink: no.. debian unstable ;)
[01:08] <snowblink> eleusis, heh - well it's a security package under hoary
[01:08] <eleusis> rofl
[01:08] <eleusis> security
[01:08] <darmou> urm zope2.7 is now broken:(
[01:08] <snowblink> eleusis, that way you can get updates...
[01:08] <eleusis> righto
[01:08] <snowblink> eleusis, as hoary is only supposed to be security updates from now on
[01:09] <darmou> it keeps coming up with syntax errors on configure when trying to compile the python
[01:09] <ntoll> darmou, zope2.7 was never well packaged in Ubuntu/debian anyway....
[01:09] <darmou> ntoll so what should I do, wait for an update?
[01:09] <eleusis> yeah
[01:09] <ntoll> it would barf when I tried to uninstall it
[01:09] <ntoll> I would install from source
[01:10] <abood> hi all
[01:10] <cyphase> hey abood
[01:11] <snowblink> grrrrr... gmail hijacks / for it's own search purposes. I wonder what made them think that wouldn't piss people off...
[01:11] <resiak> InitMass: People in #debian coincide with people in #ubuntu ;)
[01:12] <InitMass> resiak, ok but often i get faster answer in debian
[01:12] <PDani> hi
[01:13] <kent> snowblink, hijacks / ?
[01:13] <InitMass> resiak, how do i check if it is compiled with that option or not?
[01:13] <eleusis> what's the difference between hoary-security and hoary-updates?
[01:13] <PDani> i can't install gnome-alsamixer package, but there's a directory at http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/g/ named gnome-alsamixer
[01:14] <PDani> i'm using hoary
[01:14] <resiak> InitMass: urxvt -h
[01:14] <mishof> how do i restart an apache2 server?
[01:15] <InitMass> resiak, ok i can't see that -bl option so i assume it's compiled without it
[01:15] <snowblink> kent, I'm looking at a thread. I press / to find someone's name in the thread, but I end up in the gmail search box as opposed to Firefox's
[01:16] <kent> snowblink, oh..  can webpages hijack the browsers commands? strange..
[01:16] <eleusis> wtf
[01:17] <snowblink> kent, gmail has lots of keyboard shortcuts enabled
[01:17] <resiak> InitMass: More to the point, in the first few lines it tells you what compile-time options it was built with. If frills isn't in there, you'll need to compile it with frills.
[01:17] <pixil9> grr I can't add any themes.. they jus tdon't show up in the list but they say they're added correctly
[01:17] <smouche> there's a setting if firefox preferences to how much control to permit java-script actions on web pages
[01:18] <eleusis> snowblink
[01:18] <resiak> InitMass: Alternatively, you may be able to tell Fluxbox to not draw decorations on that window. Openbox has this in every window's right-click menu, but it only persists for that incarnation of that window.
[01:18] <snowblink> smouche, yes, but I think google should change their keybinding - have suggested that they do
[01:18] <seanj> smouche, funny how that option exists in Mozilla suite but not Firefox, huh? :/
[01:18] <eleusis> the new calendar package is in hoary-updates
[01:18] <eleusis> not hoary-security :P
[01:18] <kent> snowblink, that seems like something which should be very not-lega-at-all :(
[01:18] <snowblink> eleusis, ah fair enuf.  Sorry
[01:19] <eleusis> :)
[01:19] <snowblink> eleusis, under warty they were security
[01:19] <eleusis> ah, ok
[01:19] <InitMass> resiak, man urxvt show: -bl Compile frills: Set MWM hints to request a borderless window, i.e.           if honoured by the WM, the rxvt-unicode window will not have window           decorations; resource borderLess.
[01:20] <eleusis> wooo
[01:20] <eleusis> i see hands!
[01:20] <snowblink> kent: http://gmail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=6594
[01:20] <pixil9> The default theme manager wants metacity themes correct?
[01:20] <eleusis> i think i still prefer the nude images though :>
[01:20] <InitMass> resiak, i would prefer not to tell fluxbox because then it will open every terminal without border and i just want one without
[01:21] <kent> Is there some way to get back the default sources.list in ubuntu hoary?
[01:21] <kev0r> anyone here know how i can format a ntfs disk, it's 2 partitions
[01:21] <kev0r>    Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
[01:21] <kev0r> /dev/hdb1               1        1275    10241406    7  HPFS/NTFS
[01:21] <kev0r> /dev/hdb2            1276        3738    19784047+   7  HPFS/NTFS
[01:21] <snowblink> eleusis, I think it was a little controversial
[01:21] <InitMass> resiak, ok the man pages was inrelevant but urxvt -h doesn't show frills...
[01:21] <kev0r> how am i to make it 1 disk again, readable for linux
[01:22] <koba> ok...that is sorted
[01:23] <resiak> InitMass: Yeah. Well, what I was describing was being able to make any window temporarily (until you unset it or close the window) borderless by Alt-RightClick, Decorations. You could probably make a symlink urxvtborderless to urxvt, and make Fluxbox make instances of urxvtborderless borderless.
[01:23] <eleusis> i still like them :)
[01:23] <kent> eleusis,  hoary-updates? I have hoary main restricted, universe and multiverse in the repositories. But no line saying updates.. :(
[01:23] <pixil9> The default theme manager wants metacity themes correct?
[01:23] <eleusis> wtf
[01:23] <eleusis> i must have a special mirror, then
[01:23] <koba> is there any way of assigning several terminal commands to a shortcut in the gconf-editor?
[01:23] <eleusis> ftp://mirror.pacific.net.au/linux/ubuntu/dists/
[01:24] <koba> actually, I suppose I could write a shell script
[01:24] <nixbox> snowblink, i did what was mentioned in the wiki, it downloaded 40 files, and installed them, now when i run apt-get it says 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 2 to remove and 22 not upgraded.
[01:24] <erik_> ARRGGHH
[01:25] <smouche> kent, you can simply comment out the stuff you added, and keep the main repos -- is that whay you mean?
[01:25] <snowblink> eleusis, me too, but my boss doesn't
[01:25] <InitMass> resiak, if i understand you correctly. i don't think fluxbox can see any difference between windows of the same app. eg if i set flux to remember the window size of firefox every popup window will get the same size too
[01:25] <snowblink> nixbox, have you done a dist-upgrade?
[01:25] <pixil9> fuck does anyone know how to change themes?
[01:26] <cyphase> pixil9: System -> Preferences -> Themes
[01:26] <eleusis> screw the boss :P
[01:26] <cyphase> Theme*
[01:26] <resiak> InitMass: That's why I suggested making a differently-named symlink to /usr/bin/rxvt-unicode -- it may well be that Flux can tell the difference. Alternatively, you can apt-get source rxvt-unicode and rebuild it, and tell dpkg to hold that version.
[01:26] <pixil9> cyphase: i went there but whenever i add a new metacity theme it says no problem but it won't list :(
[01:27] <kent> smouche, no, not realy. But I figured it out. I have added updates now. So now i got the ubuntu-calander and a update fir firefox-locale..
[01:27] <cyphase> hmm..
[01:27] <cyphase> whats the theme?
[01:27] <pixil9> clear looks off gnome-look
[01:27] <pixil9> clear looks industrial
[01:27] <InitMass> resiak, it might be better to rebuild it then
[01:27] <resiak> InitMass: I could see if I have my .deb lying around if you want.
[01:28] <newbie> How come when i kill an application with xkill, i cant repoen it until i reset?
[01:28] <resiak> InitMass: (I stopped using my hand-rolled one a while back, so even if I still have it it's a few revisions out of date.)
[01:28] <cyphase> pixil9: doesn't Clearlooks come preinstalled?
[01:28] <nixbox> snowblink, i was using synaptic, i just changed warty to hoary and marked all packages and then apply
[01:28] <cyphase> pixil9: well, whats the link?
[01:29] <pixil9> http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=22513
[01:29] <InitMass> resiak, i can try compiling it by myself
[01:29] <InitMass> resiak, thanks anyway
[01:29] <resiak> InitMass: Sure.
[01:29] <InitMass> resiak, i prefer up to date ;)
[01:29] <snowblink> nixbox, I don't know how to use synaptic to do a distupgrade. I'd do it command line...
[01:29] <resiak> InitMass: You know how to use debian/rules binary, apt-get source etc?
[01:30] <pixil9> cyphase: I can't install any of the metacity ones :(
[01:31] <InitMass> resiak, i know how to compile things but not how to make a .deb file out of it
[01:31] <InitMass> resiak, maybe if i tried using alien
[01:31] <InitMass> resiak, but maybe that's not possible in this case
[01:32] <resiak> InitMass: Rather than ./configure, make, make install, Debianised source packages have a debian/ directory with a rules makefile within. You can modify rules to add compile-time flags, then just run ./debian/rules binary and it will configure make and build .devs
[01:32] <seanj> that's a first, i'm used to some games not working with Cedega but now i can't get any going hehe
[01:32] <seanj> pthreads
[01:32] <resiak> InitMass: .debs. apt-get source rxvt-unicode should get the Debianised source stuffs into your current directory. (In this context, Debianised ~== Ubuntuised ;))
[01:33] <kent> I have a problem with gnome opening firefox to handle ftp://*. I use epiphany as default browser and IF the browser should handle ftp, then atleast I want epiphany and not firefox to handle ftp://.  But i cant find the place to change which handles ftp://  :(
[01:33] <InitMass> resiak, should i uninstall the version i already got?
[01:34] <resiak> InitMass: dpkg -i newpackage.deb will replace the current version with the new version.
[01:34] <March-RX8> hello
[01:34] <resiak> InitMass: Then you'll want to hold your new deb so that it doesn't get "upgraded" to the official one. I'll make dpkg tell you how.
[01:35] <InitMass> resiak, which file did you say i should modify to add tings?
[01:35] <March-RX8> could someone help me? i need to mount correctly an hd drive
[01:35] <resiak> InitMass: You untar the source, and in that directory, vi ./debian/rules
[01:35] <koba> hiya...do you know if the standard cd/dvd burner allows multisession?
[01:35] <resiak> InitMass: I gotta go now, I'm afraid. Good luck!
[01:35] <InitMass> resiak, much text in that file huh
[01:36] <InitMass> resiak, thanks
[01:36] <resiak> InitMass: trial and error ;)
[01:37] <amias> March: probably , whats the drive type , filesystem and where do you want to mount it
[01:39] <March-RX8> my problem is, the hd get mounted by everyone but only root can access it
[01:41] <dany_88> ciao
[01:41] <cyphase> http://www.snibworks.com/flashbanners/ff2/ff2.html
[01:41] <amias> March-RX8: un mount it and look at the permissions of the /dev node and of the mount point
[01:41] <GNAM> umask=000, march-rx8
[01:41] <erik_> hmm, i cant even google in ubuntu
[01:43] <March-RX8> thanks, with umask=000 it runs correctly
[01:43] <kent> erik_, and thats becaus your network-settings needs some taking care of  ;)
[01:43] <March-RX8> by the way, i cant write in it
[01:43] <amias> ubuntu sees my harddisk perfectly and the install is fine but when i reboot grub doesn't work
[01:43] <erik_> kent, cant find anything wrong in it. Its set up with dhcp, and vpn
[01:43] <March-RX8> while mounting in rw mode
[01:44] <amias> March-RX8: check the device node permissions
[01:46] <March-RX8> is it an ntfs formatted hd, does ubuntu support writing in it
[01:47] <amias> March-RX8: you have to enable experimental kernel options for ntfs writing
[01:47] <March-RX8> can i found them in synaptic?
[01:49] <theine> March-RX8, so even as root you can't write to the ntfs partition?
[01:49] <amias> March-RX8: no distros support it by default cos its not stable yet
[01:50] <March-RX8> ok, i just read from it. better than nothing
[01:50] <amias> March-RX8: i doubt ubunutu will support it cos NTFS is proprietary and patented
[01:50] <julian11> i have a pinnacle pctv
[01:50] <March-RX8> thanks for all amias
[01:50] <julian11> and scantv find some channels
[01:51] <amias> March-RX8: np :)
[01:51] <julian11> but xawtv... has de screen in dark
[01:51] <IIIEars> Which T.V. Tuner cards work really well with Ubuntu?
[01:51] <amias> julian11: try tvtime its much better
[01:52] <amias> IIIEars: anything with a bt848 chip should be fine
[01:52] <IIIEars> do any support cable decoding?
[01:52] <fenglin> where the XF86Setup?
[01:52] <IIIEars> bt848 (makes a note) is that mpeg4?
[01:52] <fenglin> where the XF86Setup?
[01:53] <amias> IIIEars: no just analogue tv
[01:53] <IIIEars> < Would love to have HDTV recording.
[01:53] <fenglin> where the XF86Setup?
[01:53] <cyphase> Poll: What's your favorite IRC server?
[01:54] <fenglin> debian
[01:54] <amias> IIIEars: huppage do one that does that , see the mythtv pages i think its called a DVB350 or something similar
[01:54] <amias> fenglin: the command or the config file ?
[01:55] <julian11> ok i'll try tvtime
[01:55] <IIIEars> Haupage is windows though isn't it?
[01:55] <fenglin> amias config file
[01:55] <IIIEars> googling
[01:58] <Fab2> hi
[01:58] <Fab2> should i use kernel 686 instead of 386 if i have a pentium 4?
[01:59] <Fab2> or rather, what kind of benefit do i have from 686 kernel?
[02:01] <cyphase> Poll: What's your favorite IRC server?
[02:01] <lizdeika> irc.freenode.net
[02:01] <Bazzi> cyphase shuddup? :)
[02:01] <nixbox> snowblink, its showing a list of packages that have been kept back
[02:01] <cyphase> i meant irc server software
[02:02] <cyphase> lol
[02:02] <goldfish> hybird is good
[02:02] <goldfish> *hybrid
[02:02] <goldfish> no emm
[02:02] <goldfish> ircd-hybrid ?
[02:02] <goldfish> i think is the name
[02:03] <cyphase> yea
[02:03] <Fab2> can anyone tell me?
[02:05] <goldfish> emm, n00b q, just reading a script that uses 'import -window' 2 take a screenshot, import command is not found, what do i need to install?
[02:05] <Fab2> please :(
[02:05] <Fab2> goldfish: imagemagick
[02:05] <Fab2> or however its spelled
[02:05] <goldfish> oh right
[02:06] <goldfish> thanks
[02:06] <Fab2> if its the ubuntuforums thread, it even says so there ;
[02:06] <Fab2> np
[02:06] <goldfish> Fab2: hah
[02:06] <goldfish> Fab2: I didn't read the post properly :)
[02:06] <goldfish> just the script bit
[02:06] <nixbox> i have done apt-get dist-upgrade and its showing a list of packages that have been kept back
[02:06] <Fab2> its a nice script btw
[02:06] <goldfish> aye
[02:06] <SiRrUs> hello guys
[02:07] <Fab2> id still like to know what benefit i'd have of using 686 kernel instead of 386
[02:07] <Fab2> lol
[02:07] <koba> hi again..
[02:07] <Fab2> hi
[02:07] <Bazzi> Fab2 an amazing 4% speed gain!
[02:07] <koba> this system is really growing on me...
[02:07] <Fab2> bazzi: cool, ill use it then ;P
[02:08] <koba> I have a quick query...
[02:08] <Fab2> koba: make your point ;)
[02:08] <timmow> Fab2 there are no disadvantages that ive noticed
[02:08] <koba> is there any way of saving the gconf setup?
[02:08] <linuxboy> Bazzi: are you serious ?
[02:08] <koba> if I spend ages defining loads of nifty shortcuts...I want to be able to save my settings
[02:08] <Mitario> hello everyone
[02:08] <eleusis> splitnode!
[02:09] <Bazzi> linuxboy he wanted to have something ;)
[02:09] <Fab2> eleusis: indeed!
[02:09] <Mitario> does anyone know what The error was 'BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation)'. means?
[02:09] <Fab2> koba: sry, i dont know
[02:09] <Linforcer> Can anyone help me with soime keyboard issues?
[02:09] <Fab2> koba: but i guess the settings are saved somewhere in a file
[02:09] <Linforcer> some*
[02:09] <Fab2> maybe in ~/.gconf or something
[02:09] <linuxboy> Bazzi: ;)
[02:09] <SiRrUs> Linforcer just ask your question
[02:09] <Fab2> bazzi/timmow: i need to uninstall the 386 kernel after installing the 686, or not?
[02:10] <Linforcer> Ok.
[02:10] <Bazzi> Fab2 no
[02:10] <Bazzi> it can rot on your hd
[02:10] <Fab2> bazzi: okay, ty
[02:10] <Bazzi> I have 3 kernels currently
[02:10] <koba> hmm...
[02:11] <Linforcer> I want to use my right alt to make things like that spanish reversed ! and ? and a bunch of other symbols. I tried setting it tom use alt as " third level chooser"  but either it doesn't work or I'm misunderstanding "third level chooser"
[02:11] <Linforcer> can anyone tell me how to assign these symbols to keycombinations?
[02:11] <koba> maybe I shall try saving the whole of the ~/.gconf folder
[02:11] <Quinn_Storm> hey anyone know whats up with fontconfig in breezy?
[02:12] <timmow> Fab2: I didn't, but i guess you can to save space in the bootloader
[02:12] <Fab2> bazzi: sry to still bother you, is there any disadvantage of removing it?
[02:12] <goldfish> Is there an optomized kernel for Pentium M machines ?
[02:12] <Fab2> timmow: :) bazzi told me already, but thanks
[02:14] <Quinn_Storm> well I'll bbl
[02:14] <antich> hello
[02:14] <antich> i update the ubuntu system to hoary
[02:15] <antich> when i make a apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:15] <antich> i have this problem
[02:15] <antich> Preconfiguring packages ...
[02:15] <antich> (Leyendo la base de datos ...
[02:15] <antich> 101777 ficheros y directorios instalados actualmente.)
[02:15] <antich> Preparando para reemplazar kmail 4:3.2.2-2 (usando .../kmail_4%3a3.4.0-0ubuntu10_i386.deb) ...
[02:15] <antich> Desempaquetando el reemplazo de kmail ...
[02:15] <antich> Reemplazando ficheros del paquete antiguo libkdenetwork2 ...
[02:15] <antich> dpkg: error al procesar /var/cache/apt/archives/kmail_4%3a3.4.0-0ubuntu10_i386.deb (--unpack):
[02:15] <antich>  intentando sobreescribir `/usr/share/icons/crystalsvg/scalable/apps/kmail.svgz', que est tambin en el paquete kdelibs-data
[02:15] <antich> dpkg-deb: el subproceso paste fue terminado por la seal (Broken pipe)
[02:15] <antich> Se encontraron errores al procesar:
[02:15] <antich>  /var/cache/apt/archives/kmail_4%3a3.4.0-0ubuntu10_i386.deb
[02:15] <antich> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[02:15] <antich> a solution?
[02:16] <goldfish> holy shit
[02:17] <spiral> is there anyone who can help me with a prism wifi card ?
[02:18] <spiral> please
[02:20] <Moe|Joe|c> hi people
[02:20] <Moe|Joe|c> need help
[02:20] <Moe|Joe|c> wen i put my USB Memory stick in my laptop....ubuntu wont detect the USB Memory Stick
[02:21] <brrrt> how can i get gvidcap in ubuntu, or how can i capture videos from my webcam?
[02:22] <HiddenWolf> Does anyone know of a program that can rip from .flac to .mp3?
[02:23] <cyphase> whats everyone's favorite linux distro?
[02:23] <cyphase> ;)
[02:24] <HiddenWolf> cyphase: slack :P
[02:24] <IIIEars> Ubuntu (fromerly FreeBSD)
[02:24] <waltz> I'm still with Win32 :(
[02:25] <deFrysk> HiddenWolf, googel for flac2mp3
[02:25] <IIIEars> waltz - did you have trouble installing Ubuntu?
[02:26] <gds> hi
[02:26] <PacoBCN> gds, hi
[02:26] <IIIEars> Hi
[02:26] <Moe|Joe|c> can anyone help me why my ubuntu install wont detect my USB Memory Stick
[02:26] <deFrysk> HiddenWolf, http://www.bytemonkey.org
[02:26] <IIIEars> Is it formatted FAT32?
[02:27] <Moe|Joe|c> tink so
[02:27] <Moe|Joe|c> or mebbe jus FAT
[02:27] <sobersabre> is there an ubuntu bootsplash howto somewhere ?
[02:27] <IIIEars> Do your other USB devices work okay?
[02:27] <Moe|Joe|c> erm
[02:27] <mdke> hi there guys. I wanted to raise a discussion about ubuntuguide.org I have dealt with lots of users recently who have had their systems mucked up by adding marillat repositories as recommended by that guide. I work with the doc team and was interested in finding out if people have had the same experiences in this channel. Any contributions welcome, thanks. Matt
[02:27] <Moe|Joe|c> havnt tried any others
[02:27] <Moe|Joe|c> as im running it on my laptop
[02:28] <Moe|Joe|c> im gona try my m8s memory stick on my laptop a min
[02:28] <Goshawk> sobersabre, ubuntuforum search splashy
[02:28] <PacoBCN> my memory stick is recognized succesfuly in my laptop
[02:28] <sobersabre> Goshawk, thanks.
[02:28] <Goshawk> sobersabre, or search splashy on google
[02:28] <Moe|Joe|c> nope my mates dont work either
[02:29] <Moe|Joe|c> bt i knw the USB port works coz i had it working on windows last nite
[02:29] <inc__> anyone use an ipod shuffle with ubuntu yet?
[02:29] <PacoBCN> Moe|Joe|c, did you try manually mounting it?
[02:29] <Goshawk> IIIEars, they works fine on hoary (mine works)
[02:29] <IIIEars> (Knock on wood) _Everything_ went smoothly for me lol even my USB printer printed a page with a single click - thats better than it did in windows - wide grin
[02:29] <Moe|Joe|c> u got the command?
[02:29] <PacoBCN> this is the portion of mtab about my memory stick:
[02:29] <PacoBCN> /dev/sdb1 /media/MEDION vfat rw,nosuid,nodev,sync,noatime,quiet,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=077,iocharset=utf8 0 0
[02:30] <Moe|Joe|c> i 4got the command
[02:30] <PacoBCN> Moe, did you try fdisk to see if the sys sees it?
[02:31] <PacoBCN> Moe|Joe|c, command: fdisk -l
[02:31] <itay> I can't opem Midis. what is the problem?
[02:31] <IIIEars> Paco - I saw someone testing their USB device with "dmsg | tail" is that a good idea?
[02:31] <pieter_> hi all
[02:31] <itay> How can I check OSS or ALSA?
[02:32] <Moe|Joe|c> tht the command to show if the USB stick is connected to the laptop?
[02:32] <itay> hi pieter!
[02:32] <pieter_> anyone know what package I should install to get my intel pro/100 wireless working
[02:32] <PacoBCN> IIIEars, dmsg will surely tell you info
[02:32] <pieter_> ?
[02:32] <pieter_> hi itay
[02:32] <PacoBCN> Moe|Joe|c, what's the output?
[02:32] <PacoBCN> do you see any sda? sda1? etc?
[02:32] <pieter_> I got the ipw2200 module loaded, but no wlan0 device...
[02:32] <Moe|Joe|c> fdisk: invalid option -- 1
[02:32] <itay> Why I can't hear midi files?
[02:32] <Moe|Joe|c> thts wot i got
[02:33] <inc__> nobody use ipod shuffle on ubuntu yet?
[02:33] <Moe|Joe|c> woops
[02:33] <PacoBCN> Moe|Joe|c, it's "l" not a 1
[02:33] <PacoBCN> :D
[02:33] <PacoBCN> Moe|Joe|c, fdisk -l
[02:33] <Moe|Joe|c> "can not open /dev/sda"
[02:33] <Chameleon22> does anyone know of any GUI app I could use to connect to checkpoint vpn using shared secrets rather then certificates? or anything really besides open swan.
[02:34] <Moe|Joe|c> and ive tedted the memory sticks on a windows comp and they work fine
[02:34] <HiddenWolf> ugh, which package do I need to be able to rip to mp3?
[02:34] <Moe|Joe|c> *teste
[02:34] <Moe|Joe|c> **tested
[02:34] <cyphase> does anyone here use icecast?
[02:35] <theine> HiddenWolf, I heard you can do it with sound-juicer
[02:35] <occy> snowblink: :)
[02:35] <HiddenWolf> theine: I'm missing the option, there
[02:35] <IIIEars> Would tis be a good idea?          "mkdir media/sda >> mount  -orw VFAT /dev/sda /media/sda"
[02:35] <theine> HiddenWolf, yeah, you have to add a new encoder manually, google for sound-juicer mp3
[02:35] <PacoBCN> IIIEars, at least it's a try :D
[02:36] <inc__> nevermind found gtkpod
[02:36] <Moe|Joe|c> any ideas?
[02:37] <IIIEars> oops mount -o rw -t VFAT /dev/sda /media/sda" - missed the "-t " - i am a new linux user
[02:37] <deFrysk> HiddenWolf, lame
[02:38] <theine> HiddenWolf, I guess it should be possible with gstreamer0.8-mad but I only found something which uses gstreamer0.8-faad, which is not in the Ubuntu repos
[02:38] <PacoBCN> Moe|Joe|c, what IIIEars said
[02:38] <balor> Anyone know a usable video editing tool that runs on both Linux and Windows?
[02:38] <PacoBCN> Moe|Joe|c, or simply "sudo mount /dev/sda"
[02:38] <theine> HiddenWolf, sorry, I meant gstreamer0.8-lame, not gstreamer0.8-faad
[02:38] <koba> Videodub?
[02:38] <balor> koba, does that tun on Linux?
[02:38] <koba> wait
[02:39] <koba> I can't remember...: )
[02:39] <koba> lol
[02:39] <koba> Blender has some video editing capabilites
[02:39] <koba> but not much
[02:40] <Moe|Joe|c> ooo hang on
[02:40] <propagandhi> Ubuntu and mepis have a lot in common
[02:40] <Moe|Joe|c> its found the usb stick now in fdisk
[02:40] <PacoBCN> Moe|Joe|c, good
[02:40] <Moe|Joe|c> wht do i type to mount?
[02:40] <mitza> hey
[02:40] <mitza> how do i use blackbox window menager ?
[02:40] <PacoBCN> Moe|Joe|c, is it /dev/sda?
[02:40] <IIIEars> I saw a nice desktop wallpaper overlay that included system information typed in text and gradient bars over the background wallpaper. - Does anyone know what it is called?
[02:40] <propagandhi> mitza: why would u want to??
[02:40] <Moe|Joe|c> "mount /dev/sda"?
[02:40] <Moe|Joe|c> yeh
[02:40] <theine> mitza, apt-get it and select in the sessions menu at the login screen
[02:41] <mitza> to install some themes
[02:41] <goldfish> IIIEars: might be running root-tail ?
[02:41] <mitza> oh
[02:41] <mitza> ok
[02:41] <IIIEars> Ah - good idea
[02:41] <mitza> and where do i have to put the themes ?
[02:41] <theine> mitza, do you want to run blackbox under Gnome?
[02:41] <PacoBCN> Moe|Joe|c, do this:
[02:41] <mitza> yes
[02:41] <mitza> can i ?
[02:41] <mitza> or its for kde?
[02:41] <HiddenWolf> Can someone run gnome-audio-profiles-properties and give me the gstreamer-pipeline for CD Quality, Lossy please?
[02:41] <theine> mitza, no, you actually can
[02:41] <PacoBCN> Moe|Joe|c, "sudo mkdir /mnt/usbpen"
[02:41] <mitza> how ?
[02:42] <mitza> .xinitrc
[02:42] <Moe|Joe|c> done tht
[02:42] <mitza> sorry
[02:42] <bet0x> hi unbutizens :D
[02:42] <Moe|Joe|c> now mount it to tht
[02:42] <mitza> BScreen::BScreen: an error occured while querying the X server.
[02:42] <mitza>   another window manager is already running on display :0.0.
[02:42] <mitza> Blackbox::Blackbox: no managable screens found, aborting
[02:42] <Amaranth> HiddenWolf:  audio/x-raw-int,rate=44100,channels=2 ! vorbisenc name=enc quality=0.5
[02:42] <PacoBCN> Moe|Joe|c, and then "sudo mount /dev/sda /mnt/usbpen"
[02:42] <theine> mitza, after you've logged into Gnome, type "killall metacity && blackbox &" in a terminal
[02:42] <Amaranth> HiddenWolf: It has a leading space, might be important.
[02:42] <Moe|Joe|c> ah kool kool
[02:42] <HiddenWolf> Amaranth, thanks a lot
[02:43] <Moe|Joe|c> i dont hav to do tht everytime i plug it in do i?
[02:43] <HiddenWolf> Amaranth, overwritten mine, that was rather clumsy
[02:43] <Moe|Joe|c> or wen i put a different USB pen in?
[02:43] <theine> mitza, also, install the blackbox-themes package and look where those themes go with "dpkg -L blackbox-themes"
[02:43] <PacoBCN> Moe|Joe|c, in theory it should automatically mount it
[02:43] <Amaranth> HiddenWolf: Heh, did you overwrite it with an MP3 one?
[02:43] <PacoBCN> Moe|Joe|c, did it work, anyway?
[02:43] <mitza> yes
[02:43] <mitza> i`ve installed them
[02:43] <theine> mitza, did the killall ting work?
[02:43] <theine> *thing*
[02:44] <mitza> nope
[02:44] <Moe|Joe|c> woop it worked :D
[02:44] <mitza> got this
[02:44] <mitza>  another window manager is already running on display :0.0.
[02:44] <mitza> Blackbox::Blackbox: no managable screens found, aborting
[02:44] <PacoBCN> Moe|Joe|c, good
[02:44] <GuruFF> hello, i'm passing root=dev/hda6 to kernel at the boot time, can i also pass file system of the root ?
[02:44] <HiddenWolf> Amaranth, yes I did
[02:44] <theine> mitza: are you running gnome now?
[02:44] <mitza> yes
[02:44] <Adross> whats the name of that game for linux?
[02:44] <Adross> open source one
[02:44] <Adross> first person shooter
[02:44] <theine> mitza, and metacity is running?
[02:44] <Adross> windows version as well
[02:44] <mitza> i guess
[02:44] <eleusis> hey look
[02:44] <PacoBCN> Adross, Enemy Territory?
[02:45] <eleusis> pics from jdub's wedding
[02:45] <mitza> yes
[02:45] <mitza> it is
[02:45] <theine> mitza, did you type "killall metacity && blackbox" in one single line?
[02:45] <Adross> sounds like it
[02:45] <] BreliC[> ardoss, america's army?
[02:45] <PacoBCN> Adross, http://www.enemy-territory.com/
[02:45] <eleusis> well, after wedding
[02:45] <eleusis> thing
[02:45] <mitza> yes
[02:45] <mitza> but
[02:45] <PacoBCN> ] BreliC[, AArmy is not open source, I think
[02:45] <Moe|Joe|c> ah ffs
[02:45] <mitza> the error is:
[02:45] <mitza> BScreen::BScreen: managing screen 0 using visual 0x22, depth 24
[02:45] <mitza> BScreen::LoadStyle(): couldn't load default font.
[02:45] <Moe|Joe|c> it wont paste ove my stuff now
[02:45] <Moe|Joe|c> lol
[02:46] <Adross> pacobcn:thats not it
[02:46] <] BreliC[> PacoBCN, and enemy territory is?  Hmm, didn't realize it was open source
[02:46] <Adross> its open source, multiplayer mapping
[02:46] <PacoBCN> ] BreliC[, not sure, actually
[02:46] <theine> mitza, sorry, i probably can't help you with this, all i know that it worked for me...
[02:46] <koba> can anyone tell me about the options for tar...
[02:46] <eleusis> ET is not open source
[02:46] <koba> what is this xvzf thing?
[02:47] <] BreliC[> didn't think so
[02:47] <mitza> where sould i install bb themes ?
[02:47] <eleusis> the code is available, but i don't think it has an OSI compatible license
[02:47] <cyphase> lol, some idiot covered the security cameras in a convnience store with tape before stealing money
[02:47] <cyphase> transperant tape
[02:47] <koba> LMAO
[02:47] <koba> lol
[02:47] <mitza> where sould i install bb themes ????
[02:48] <koba> can anyone kindly tell me how to untar the ubuntu source?
[02:48] <Adross> cube
[02:48] <darko__> How do I manually set IRQ's? (i want my nvidia card to not share IRQ with uhci_hcd specifically..)
[02:48] <Adross> thats the one
[02:48] <Adross> see you guys later
[02:48] <mjg59> darko__: You can't. It's fixed by your hardware.
[02:49] <mjg59> If there's a problem with them being on the same interrupt, it's either a driver bug or your hardware is broken
[02:49] <Moe|Joe|c> righty i can veiw all the files on my usbpen bt i cant copy and paste them over to my laptop :S
[02:50] <propagandhi83> anybody here used mepis??
[02:50] <cyphase> propaghandi81L no, no one
[02:50] <cyphase> ;)
[02:51] <propagandhi83> cyphase: u speak for all?
[02:52] <cyphase> propaghandi81: lol, i was j/k
[02:52] <propagandhi83> thats cool, but i really wanted to know
[02:52] <cyphase> well, i haven't
[02:52] <cyphase> i don't know about anyone else
[02:53] <propagandhi83> because i have ubuntu on the other partition i just want to know if anyone knows how to get kde 3.4 for debian unstable (mepis uses that as repository)
[02:53] <bet0x> ( Operating System ) Linux Ubuntu 5.04 - hoary Kernel: 2.6.10-5-386, GNU/Linux | Xorg: 6.8.2 | IRC CLient: X-Chat v.2.4.1
[02:53] <bet0x> xD
[02:53] <bet0x> ( Computer Stats ) [ CPU Model: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.80GH Speed: 2793.140 MHz Cache: 512 KB ]  | RAM Usage: 156/516M [|||||||||||]  ( 30.2% ) | [ HD Model: SAMSUNG SV0411N Size: 73G with 69G Free ( 94.5% ) ]  | Number of process: 80
[02:54] <mishof> i get choppy/no sound when playing wmv (using xine/totem) - any ideas ??
[02:54] <balor> mishof: try an open codec
[02:55] <IIIEars> bet0x - what command will give me that info?
[02:55] <darko__> arrgh, i guess the problem is that 'nvidia' only shows up in /proc/interrupts after i load X and then it's no more "free"? IRQ's so it sets itself to an already occupied IRQ. I guess if i could "free" an IRQ(you know, so I would have an empy space in /proc/interrupts or nvidia would load up another IRQ at X startup... if that would be possible) then i would have no problem. But how would I do this? Probably with some kernel cmdline, X setti
[02:55] <darko__> nvidia setting or ... ? please help :/
[02:55] <mishof> I think i found a solution on ubuntu forums ;)
[02:55] <cyphase> does anyone else think it's strange that when you hold the cursor over an MP3 in Gnome, it plays it, but not with OGG, when OGG is the open format, and MP3 is closed?
[02:55] <bet0x> IIIEars, http://xlack.putopunto.com/index-en.php
[02:56] <bet0x> ( Network Stats ) Device: eth0 | Hostname: darkhole | Data: In: 450.6 MB ( 17.75K/sec ) Out: 20.4 MB ( 1.38K/sec ), Total: 471.0 MB [ In 95.7% | Out 4.3% ]  ( 19.13K/sec )
[02:56] <bet0x> its nice
[02:56] <bet0x> a toy for xchat
[02:56] <bet0x> :D
[02:56] <Xappe> darko__: doesn't bios take care of the irq handling? i've seen options like "assign irq to VGA" and stuff in BIOS
[02:56] <IIIEars> lol - erm - is that URL legit? (not tellin' how i know what a "puto" is lol
[02:57] <reagleBRKLN> i have this in my /etc/fstab '/dev/sda1       /f              vfat    rw,user,noexec,nosuid,nodev,sync,quiet,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=077,iocharset=utf8 0 0'
[02:57] <reagleBRKLN> root can mount it, but user can't
[02:57] <reagleBRKLN> mount: can't find /media/sda1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[02:57] <reagleBRKLN> (f happens to be a symbolic link to /media/sda1)
[02:58] <darko__> Xappe: yeah that "assign irq to VGA" works, but uhci_hcd also seem to want that irq..
[02:58] <Xappe> ah, bad luck :/
[02:58] <Wings> has anyone got a howto for me to install nvidia drivers? the wiki on the site isn't helpful :(
[02:58] <reagleBRKLN> ah, change it to '/dev/sda1       /media/sda1     vfat '
[02:59] <greg_> (just asked this in #ubuntuforums :) )
[02:59] <greg_> hi.  i'm trying to install mplayer, but it is giving me errors about png support. when i try to use synaptic to get libpng12_dev it gives me an error
[02:59] <greg_> Depends: libpng12-0 (=1.2.5.0-7) but 1.2.8rel-1 is to be installed
[03:00] <darko__> also... isn't pcirouteirq something that might work? because i didn't 'get' that, what would i do to "route" everything to it's  own IRQ?
[03:02] <bet0x> !slack os
[03:02] <bet0x> ( Sistema Operativo ) Linux Ubuntu 5.04 - hoary Kernel: 2.6.10-5-386, GNU/Linux | Xorg: 6.8.2 | Cliente IRC: X-Chat v.2.4.1
[03:02] <bet0x> :D
[03:02] <bet0x> this is nice dude
[03:03] <alex_> hi
[03:03] <alex_> how could I use the package database of debian in ubuntu?
[03:04] <IIIEars> I found a nice system monitor app that is a translucent overlay of the desktop wallpaper. very configureable. -  "Torsmo"
[03:05] <goldfish> IIIEars: Cool, that looks sweet.
[03:05] <aLeSD> hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhi
[03:06] <ratty> my fstab is read only
[03:06] <joaocarlos> Anyone had news about bug #7286?
[03:06] <ratty> how do i edit
[03:06] <Ocid> ratty: sudo gedit /etc/fstab
[03:07] <ratty> ive used Gedit but whast sudo?
[03:07] <Ocid> ratty: gives you root access
[03:08] <sobersabre> hi. i have run make-kpkg on ubuntu . of kernel-image
[03:08] <sobersabre> then module assistant
[03:08] <IIIEars> "module assistant"?
[03:08] <ratty> thanks but i thought i had root privaliges
[03:08] <sobersabre> the module the assistant created wouldn't install, because it needs "linux-image"
[03:08] <Wings> when I exit xorg with alt+ctrl+f2 how can I get back in?
[03:08] <balor> IIIEars: Got a link to that?
[03:08] <IIIEars> what is the command for "module assitant"?
[03:08] <sobersabre> module-assistant
[03:09] <Ocid> ratty: in ubuntu root is normally disabled
[03:09] <IIIEars> "Torsmo"?
[03:09] <ratty> is there a program to mount my NTFS partitions or do i have to manually set them up?
[03:09] <sobersabre> ratty, it is mount...
[03:09] <ratty> thanks Ocid
[03:09] <Wings> sooomeeeoneee
[03:09] <IIIEars> sobresabre - Thanks
[03:09] <bet0x> ratty, u can do this if u want use a "direct root" : sudo passwd root
[03:09] <propagandhi83> Wings: does ctrl+a;t+f7 work
[03:10] <sobersabre> Wings, Alt+F7
[03:10] <Ocid> ratty: if you have root privileges then get out of irc, now
[03:10] <Wings> thanks
[03:10] <sobersabre> saved by the bell.
[03:10] <Wings> alt+f7 works, thanks :D
[03:10] <ratty> ocid???
[03:11] <ratty> why
[03:11] <Ocid> never irc as root
[03:11] <Ocid> that's very stupid thing to do
[03:12] <ratty> ok thanks il look into it im a newbie
[03:12] <goldfish> if there is a virus in irc, it will run with the priveleges u are running as
[03:12] <goldfish> if u run as root, so will it, u == fucked.
[03:12] <sobersabre> what is the "ubuntu" way of compiling a vanilla kernel ?
[03:13] <ratty> ok seeya
[03:13] <sobersabre> is there such ?
[03:13] <ratty> and thanks
[03:13] <joaocarlos> Getting problem related to bug 7286. My sound dont work with my Via 823 hardware. Any attencion?
[03:13] <no0tic> hi
[03:14] <goldfish> hello
[03:14] <no0tic> where can I change hdparm default options in order to keep them after reboot?
[03:14] <tremor_> anybody else having problems with sata_sil on ubuntu breezy ? after i upgraded, i can no longer mount sata devices
[03:14] <tritium> no0tic, /etc/hdparm.conf
[03:15] <Ocid> no0tic: /etc/hdparm.conf
[03:15] <no0tic> tritium, Ocid : thanks
[03:15] <bet0x> what have of new the breezy beta ?
[03:15] <propagandhi83> ubuntu breezy? how do u get that??
[03:15] <tremor_> i noticed some information about PCI interrupts no longer routed automatically (when a driver doesn't call pci_enable_device)
[03:15] <tremor_> replace "hoary" with "breezy" in your sources.list
[03:15] <GuruFF> how i can make xpdf display everythig nicer ?
[03:16] <tremor_> but i was wondering, if anybody else got this error (and if it is fixed when i upgrade my kernel to 2.6.11)
[03:17] <tritium> tremor_, 2.6.11 is not supported
[03:18] <bet0x> tremor_, and whats the new on "breezy"
[03:18] <tremor_> doesn't really matter if i need to compile the kernel manually, i just need working sata drivers :)
[03:18] <tritium> morning, mako
[03:18] <tremor_> bet0x: not much (yet)
[03:18] <tremor_> gcc4, openoffice2
[03:18] <tremor_> gnome 2.11 will be included soon (i guess)
[03:18] <EricNeon> good night~
[03:19] <bet0x> good morning for me :P
[03:19] <bet0x> 10 AM on Argentina, Rosario, Santa fe
[03:19] <EricNeon> I'm come off work;
[03:19] <snowblink> bet0x: buenas. :)
[03:19] <makyo> hello, anyone here could help me with setting up an mpu401 port for MIDI?
[03:19] <EricNeon> bye~
[03:20] <bet0x> snowblink, Holas :D
[03:20] <itay> I have problem with the sound
[03:20] <bet0x> snowblink, give malvinas back -.-
[03:20] <itay> now I understood what is it but I don't know how to solve it
[03:21] <makyo2> anyone here could help me with setting up an mpu401 port for MIDI?
[03:21] <hypno> itay what's the prob
[03:21] <itay> when I use the tab in the konsole, I hear the beep.
[03:21] <snowblink> bet0x, heh - no soy ingles
[03:21] <itay> after that, when I try "esd", I get: /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy
[03:21] <bet0x> snowblink, que sos?
[03:21] <goldfish> itay: should be in settings
[03:22] <Moe|Joe|c> anyone knw of a good program i can use to show my system stats on my desktop?
[03:22] <goldfish> itay: turn off bell
[03:22] <goldfish> or something
[03:22] <snowblink> bet0x, malaysia, pero vivo aca
[03:22] <amias> itay: do 'sudo lsof /dev/dsp'  to find out what is using it
[03:22] <itay> but I want to use the bell
[03:22] <bet0x> snowblink, mira vos :D
[03:22] <bet0x> snowblink, y como sabes espaol?
[03:22] <sobersabre> guys. take 2. what is the expected way of kernel compilation with ubuntu ?
[03:22] <Mr_Gummikopf> not that it matters, but this Ubuntu Live-CD is REALLY nifty. =)
[03:22] <hypno> itay run kcontrol and go to sound&multimedia>sound system
[03:22] <itay> sudo lsof /dev/dsp: no output
[03:22] <joaocarlos> Ok... there's no bug
[03:23] <snowblink> bet0x, apprendaba en Buenos Aires...
[03:23] <joaocarlos> Found the solution...
[03:23] <Wings> right, I'm trying to install the nvidia drivers
[03:23] <Wings> and it say that I should run it as root
[03:23] <itay> here is the output:
[03:23] <joaocarlos> Now I got sound... huhuh
[03:23] <itay> COMMAND   PID USER   FD   TYPE DEVICE SIZE  NODE NAME
[03:23] <itay> artsd   15964 itay   10u   CHR   14,3      45654 /dev/dsp0
[03:23] <Wings> how do I do that?
[03:23] <soul34> yo
[03:23] <Wings> <- total noob
[03:23] <koba> could someone help me...I'm going crazy here
[03:23] <koba> *desperation*
[03:23] <snowblink> koba - what are you trying to do?
[03:23] <bet0x> snowblink, nice
[03:23] <koba> why is synaptic asking my for a cd??
[03:23] <koba> me*
[03:23] <amias> itay: you are running artsd which is analogous to esd , choose one or the other
[03:24] <snowblink> koba because you still have it as a repo
[03:24] <snowblink> snowblink untick the first repo
[03:24] <itay> how?
[03:24] <koba> sorry...I don't get you
[03:24] <soul34> how can I chane my resolution in the latest hoary live? in the menu i can change to only 1024*768, but my xorg.conf is full of 1280*800.. what can I do?
[03:24] <snowblink> koba sorry
[03:24] <goldfish> Wings: www.ubuntuguige.org
[03:24] <goldfish> *ubuntuguide.org
[03:24] <koba> shouldn't synaptic download stuff off the net?
[03:24] <koba> I get this...
[03:24] <koba> Please insert the disk labeled:
[03:24] <koba> Ubuntu 5.04 _Hoary Hedgehog_ - Release i386 (20050407)
[03:24] <koba> in drive /cdrom/
[03:24] <snowblink> koba hang on
[03:24] <Wings> thanks
[03:24] <itay> amias, how to do that?
[03:24] <koba> ok
[03:25] <goldfish> koba: comment out the lines mentioning cd in sources.list
[03:25] <snowblink> koba: settings->repositories
[03:25] <koba> thanks
[03:25] <koba> all I want is gcc!
[03:25] <snowblink> koba: The first line will show CD ticked
[03:25] <snowblink> koba: untick it
[03:25] <snowblink> koba, then reload
[03:26] <koba> THANK YOU
[03:26] <snowblink> koba: Oh, you may want to tick the online repos if they aren't already
[03:26] <Moe|Joe|c> anyone knw of a program that will display my system stats on my desktop?
[03:26] <tritium> sobersabre, most people don't need to, but making a kernel .deb with kernel-package is preferred
[03:26] <goldfish> Moe|Joe|c: torsmo
[03:27] <amias> itay: you could kill it for now by doing 'sudo kill 15964' , or 'sudo kill -9 15964' if that doesn't work
[03:27] <Moe|Joe|c> cheers
[03:27] <amias> itay: you could kill it for now by doing 'sudo kill 15964' , or 'sudo kill -9 15964' if that doesn't work
[03:27] <soul34> anyone to my resolutin problem?
[03:28] <Wings> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/nvidia-glx_1.0.7174-0ubuntu1_i386
[03:28] <amias> itay: to uninstall it try apt-get remove artsd
[03:28] <Wings>  subprocess pre-installation script returned error exit status 2
[03:28] <koba> another thing that is driving me crazy is my inability to get root access on the desktop
[03:28] <snowblink> koba, you should be sudoing stuff
[03:28] <itay> Couldn't find package artsd
[03:28] <tritium> koba, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[03:29] <koba> from the terminal?
[03:29] <deFrysk> koba, sudo -s
[03:29] <amias> itay
[03:29] <itay> yes
[03:29] <koba> what if I want root access in GNOME?
[03:29] <amias> itay: search for packages with apt-cache search package
[03:29] <koba> so I can use nautilus to rename a file for example?
[03:29] <snowblink> koba, what do you want to do as root in GNOME?
[03:30] <_maney> koba: sudo su -
[03:30] <itay> what pakcgaes?
[03:30] <tritium> koba, read the URL I sent you
[03:30] <koba> rename stuff...move stuff copy stuff
[03:30] <itay> packages*
[03:30] <koba> ok
[03:30] <CM> hi people
[03:30] <amias> itay: arts
[03:30] <itay> there is gstreamer0.8-artsd
[03:30] <netmatix> does anyone know how to edit the menu structure?
[03:30] <netmatix> like applications:///
[03:30] <netmatix> that doesnt work
[03:30] <itay> Package gstreamer0.8-artsd is not installed, so not removed
[03:31] <koba> thanks
[03:31] <hypno> netmatix http://ubuntuguide.org/#menu-editor
[03:31] <amias> itay: did killing the process help ?
[03:31] <ren0> Hi I am having trouble getting a dvd to play with xine. It worked yesterday.
[03:31] <itay> just once
[03:31] <marcin_ant> koba: sometimes you _need_ to enable root account
[03:31] <itay> in the second time didn't help
[03:31] <amias> ren0: not all dvds are created equal
[03:31] <ren0> I get an error "there is no mrl"
[03:32] <_maney> Q: Xchat says emacs edit mode can be set through Preferences/Keyboard Shortcuts, but that doesn't seem to exist any more (Hoary).  Any clues where I can enable this?
[03:32] <amias> itay: are you using kubuntu ?
[03:32] <ren0> It worked fine yesterday.
[03:32] <itay> yes
[03:32] <marcin_ant> _maney: you mean emacs mode keyboard shortcuts in gnome?
[03:33] <netmatix> the menu editor doesnt work
[03:33] <amias> aaah , then you will probably be wanting to use artsd instead of esd
[03:33] <netmatix> it doesnt save
[03:33] <koba> thank you already gksudo works
[03:33] <snowblink> _maney, http://occy.net/node/56
[03:33] <koba> how do I enable a root account?
[03:33] <_maney> marcin_ant: guess so.  I've never needed to set it by hand before
[03:33] <chicken_man> koba, login manager
[03:33] <tritium> koba, I sent you a URL
[03:33] <netmatix> anyone using the menu editor?
[03:33] <itay> does it make any different?
[03:34] <Lito> Hi, how can i check the cpu temp??
[03:34] <amias> Lito: sensors
[03:34] <hypno> netmatix even when you press the save button?
[03:34] <goldfish> oh
[03:34] <netmatix> no
[03:34] <netmatix> it doesnt save
[03:34] <goldfish> Where do u get these sensors amias ?
[03:34] <netmatix> it reloads
[03:34] <netmatix> but my item is not showing
[03:35] <_maney> marcin_ant: hah, that was it!  thanks!
[03:35] <snowblink> Lito, somewhere in /proc/acpi depending...
[03:35] <netmatix> does it work for u?
[03:35] <amias> itay: kubuntu uses KDE which uses a different sound setup , i'm not familiar with it but i would suggest looking for a way to tell it not to use esd but to use artsd
[03:36] <hypno> yeah it works fine for me netmatix, a couple of people have the save problem though, it seems
[03:36] <netmatix> hmm
[03:36] <darko__> amias: artsd programname
[03:36] <netmatix> no one fixed  it yet?
[03:36] <itay> what is exacly esd?
[03:36] <darko__> and remove esd
[03:36] <koba> thanks people
[03:36] <hypno> netmatix try killall gnome-panel to refresh it
[03:36] <koba> sorry for being a pain
[03:36] <amias> itay: google for that
[03:37] <koba> I'm trying to install my sound drivers
[03:37] <koba> I'm getting this...
[03:37] <koba> checking for kernel version... The file /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/include/linux/version.h does not exist.
[03:37] <koba> I have installed the ubuntu source
[03:37] <chicken_man> koba, hmmmmmmm
[03:37] <darko__> but amias: try the artsd kernel modules for less latency :)
[03:37] <snowblink> koba, create a symlink for /usr/src/linux
[03:37] <itay> What do you mean to tell it not to use esd but to use artsd? do you have any ideas how to do that?
[03:37] <darko__> that exist :)
[03:38] <darko__> itay: artsd programname
[03:38] <netmatix> hypno: doesnt work
[03:38] <netmatix> it refreshes but my item is not showing
[03:38] <koba> a symbolic link to where?
[03:38] <darko__> for example artsd xmms
[03:38] <tritium> koba, you have to unpack the sources first, before you can symlink to anything
[03:38] <koba> I have
[03:39] <koba> no include folder is present
[03:39] <itay> I will try and back if I have any problems.
[03:39] <itay> thanks
[03:39] <hypno> netmatix unlucky :|
[03:39] <koba> I find that in /usr/src/linux/arch/i386 there is no include folder
[03:39] <GuruFF> lool; how to make fonts look better in xpdf, they are blury and unreadable
[03:39] <koba> which my driver seems to need
[03:39] <Wings> what is the command to disable X?
[03:39] <netmatix> hypno  :-(
[03:40] <netmatix> i wonder why they kicked apllications://
[03:40] <netmatix> it was much better than the menu editor
[03:40] <tritium> Wings, http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.en.html#s-no-x-start
[03:41] <ren0> I have followed these "destructions" but still no xine http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=23646&highlight=%2Fdev%2Fdvd
[03:41] <Wings> is that X thing useful for anything at all?
[03:42] <Hmmmm> i just installed hoary rc and my firefox keeps crashing
[03:42] <hypno> netmatix try running from terminal and watch the output, perhaps your permissions are wrong somewhere. menu-editor is still buggy though, tbh
[03:42] <koba> i give up
[03:42] <Hmmmm> anyone got a clue y?
[03:42] <tritium> Hmmmm, hoary has been released.  You should upgrade to the final version, rather than run the RC.
[03:42] <ups> Wings, if you need GUI, you need X. If you want to work only on the console, you don't need it
[03:42] <snowblink> koba have you installed the linux kernel headers?
[03:43] <Hmmmm> tritium, i did an dist-upgrade las night
[03:43] <hypno> Hmmmm try closing down firefox and moving your ~/.mozilla directory somewhere else
[03:43] <tritium> Hmmmm, then you're not running RC
[03:43] <fgx> sig, remember yesterday question about firefox crashing with flash?still not working...
[03:43] <Hmmmm> how do i check if upgrade is done ?
[03:43] <Wings> I just want to kill it off for the nvidia drivers
[03:43] <Wings> not permanently
[03:44] <Hmmmm> hypno, am doing it
[03:44] <netmatix> hypno: no errors when using form command line but same problem
[03:44] <netmatix> items not showing
[03:45] <GuruFF> cya
[03:45] <Hmmmm> hypno, i did it
[03:45] <Hmmmm> and again it crashes
[03:46] <hypno> netmatix try going to line 154 of /usr/lib/menu-editor/menu_handler.py and change "except:" to "except e:" and on the line below add "print e" before the "pass"
[03:46] <Ekaitza> Hello everybody....
[03:47] <makyo2> anyone here has experience using mpu401 for MIDI?
[03:47] <elcu> hello, i'm not getting sound with wmv files in totem-xine.  i've followed these directions: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=25668, but the decoder value seems to get reset back to 1 when i start totem.
[03:47] <Ekaitza> I guess you have listened to this question more than once
[03:47] <hypno> Hmmmm and you definitely have version 1.0.2-0ubuntu5 of the mozilla-firefox package ?
[03:47] <Ekaitza> I have got an Ibook G4 with an airport extreme
[03:47] <chicken_man> elcu, try somethink else i've had problems wuth totem playing mpg files
[03:47] <Ekaitza> Ubuntu works great in it
[03:48] <netmatix> hypno: ill try
[03:48] <chicken_man> with*
[03:48] <elcu> chicken_man: any recommendations?
[03:48] <Ekaitza> but although the airport extreme apears in the confuguration it doesn't work
[03:48] <petemc> Ekaitza: it wont work
[03:48] <whiteknight> Ekaitza, i'm sorry but it doesn't work with ubuntu
[03:49] <Ekaitza> it rings a bell
[03:49] <chicken_man> elcu, Noatun not sure if it woks in Gnome though
[03:49] <Ocid> Ekaitza: i don't think that any linux supports airport extreme
[03:49] <makyo2> anyone here has used mpu401 (joystick port) for MIDI?
[03:49] <whiteknight> Ekaitza, there are no drivers for it, its a broadcom device
[03:49] <eaon> airport extreme cards aren't supported by ... right
[03:49] <Hmmmm> hypno, yes i do
[03:49] <tritium> makyo2, please don't repeat
[03:49] <Ekaitza> I heart that, but I didn'twant to belive it ;)
[03:49] <fgx> having this from dmesg: serial8250: too much work for irq10
[03:49] <hypno> Hmmmm in that case i dont know, sorry.
[03:50] <whiteknight> Ekaitza, the annoying thing is that on a pc broadcom works via ndiswrapper
[03:50] <makyo2> tritium, I'm not repeating, I was adding more info
[03:50] <elcu> chicken_man: KDE apps can run in Gnome.  but i'd prefer something that isn't KDE based.
[03:50] <whiteknight> Ekaitza, but apparently on ppc this won't work
[03:50] <Ekaitza> I know, we have both
[03:50] <b0ol> hi
[03:50] <Ekaitza> pc and apple
[03:50] <goldfish> hello b0ol
[03:50] <b0ol> :)
[03:50] <whiteknight> Ekaitza, i have a G4 ibook
[03:50] <chicken_man> elcu, hmmmm well i'am out of ideas
[03:50] <whiteknight> Ekaitza, as well
[03:50] <Ekaitza> The problem is always the same
[03:50] <ren0> "There is no input plugin availible to handle "dvd" Maybe Mrl syntax is wrong
[03:50] <Ekaitza> I love apple, I like Ubuntu
[03:51] <whiteknight> Ekaitza, what i did though to get wireless is to get a cheap usb dongle
[03:51] <Ekaitza> but no way of having both
[03:51] <ren0> Anybody know what I am doing wrong?
[03:51] <whiteknight> Ekaitza, and the drivers work for that
[03:51] <chicken_man> Ekaitza , ewwwww apple
[03:51] <Ekaitza> it is a solution,,, but is a way of waisting the airport
[03:51] <eaon> peach, plum, pear?
[03:52] <whiteknight> Ekaitza, true, ironically the usb dongle doesn't work in osx
[03:52] <sp3tt> Hi all.
[03:52] <whiteknight> Ekaitza, while the airport does
[03:52] <ren0> I already have libdvdcss2
[03:52] <sp3tt> I am going to set up a dual boot system now.
[03:52] <Ekaitza> ha,ha,ha why??
[03:52] <whiteknight> Ekaitza, i dual boot
[03:52] <whiteknight> Ekaitza, ain't any drivers :)
[03:52] <sp3tt> Using Windows' native bootloader.
[03:52] <sp3tt> That means I don't install GRUB or LILO during the install.
[03:52] <petemc> sp3tt: why? i know it works, but grub is better
[03:53] <petemc> sp3tt: you do, just not in the mbr
[03:53] <sp3tt> Easier for a complete moron?
[03:53] <petemc> no
[03:53] <petemc> harder
[03:53] <sp3tt> (Ok, not moron, newb)
[03:53] <petemc> either way :)
[03:53] <whiteknight> Ekaitza, the usb dongles are seriously cheap 15 (gbp)
[03:53] <cens0red> hey what is gnome-smproxy?
[03:53] <sp3tt> Ok then, I install GRUB on sdb1
[03:54] <sp3tt> Or is that sdb2? Second partition anyway.
[03:54] <hypno> netmatix any luck?
[03:54] <ren0> In 2005 it shouldn't be this difficult to play a DVD
[03:54] <lenovo> hello, everyone
[03:54] <chicken_man> i'm not sure how to dual boot anyways my disk is to small 10.2GB
[03:54] <scizzo> ren0: ?
[03:54] <sp3tt> ren0: in 2005 it shouldn't be this easy to get a patent.
[03:54] <elcu> ren0: what program are you using?
[03:55] <goldfish> Anyone know where I can get sensors?
[03:55] <kuntu> i wanna patente my DNA !
[03:55] <ren0> I have followed this link. Tried xine, vlc totem, kaffiene etc.
[03:55] <ren0> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=23646&highlight=%2Fdev%2Fdvd
[03:55] <sp3tt> If I install GRUB in the MBR, will it detect windows?
[03:56] <tritium> ren0, see 8: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[03:56] <petemc> sp3tt: it should do
[03:56] <chicken_man> sp3tt , should do
[03:56] <rotherad> sp3tt yes it does
[03:56] <hypno> goldfish lm-sensors package
[03:56] <sp3tt> Err, that was messed up.
[03:56] <sp3tt> I meant on sdb2
[03:56] <ren0> thanks tritium
[03:56] <goldfish> hypno: thanks
[03:56] <sp3tt> Eh, what the heck, ubuntu has im and irc.
[03:56] <sp3tt> And web.
[03:57] <sp3tt> If it doesn't find windows at once, what happens?
[03:57] <chicken_man> sp3tt , what ?? :\
[03:57] <kahuna_> Hi
[03:57] <sp3tt> If GRUB doesn't find windows, I can still IM and IRC to get help...
[03:57] <davegahan> Hi i need urgent help
[03:57] <sp3tt> Booting other machine...
[03:58] <sp3tt> Install CD - check.
[03:58] <chicken_man> sp3tt , if dual boot was ok yea
[03:58] <sp3tt> FAT32 partition - Check.
[03:58] <davegahan> removed by mistake my ubuntu desktop while removing some fonts
[03:58] <petemc> sp3tt: a browser should be your first port of call for help
[03:58] <netmatix> hypno: now menu editor doesnt start and gives an error
[03:58] <sp3tt> Coffee - Nope.
[03:58] <tritium> davegahan, you mean the package?  That's not a big deal
[03:58] <davegahan> now ubuntu starts in textmode
[03:58] <davegahan> yes
[03:58] <davegahan> how do i reinstall it ?
[03:59] <davegahan> i need to give a presentation in 2 hours and need to reinstall my desktop asap
[03:59] <tritium> davegahan, sudp apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[03:59] <tritium> davegahan, that was "sudo", sorry
[03:59] <davegahan> great - thank you so much
[03:59] <sp3tt> Ah, old machine...
[03:59] <chicken_man> davegahan, apt-get install ubuntu-desktop ;)
[03:59] <ren0> I have already done all this. Why am I getting "no mrl"?
[03:59] <noobian> hi guys im trying to put a file called 'soundcard' into the dir /ect/modprobe.d/  but ever time i try it says i dont have permission , how do i go about getting it into there? i tried saving it there as well with nano under sudo but it wouldnt either ;\
[03:59] <tritium> davegahan, let me know how things go
[04:00] <chicken_man> noobian ,sudo mv soundcard /etc/modprobe.d/
[04:00] <scizzo> ren0: what exactly is the problem?
[04:00] <amias> ubunutu found it fine but when i try and reboot it gives me grub error 18 ( which is to do with the bios not being able to detect the drive properly) , any ideas ?
[04:00] <EddieX> Anyone who is good in Mips assembler  ?
[04:00] <snowblink> noobian, sudo cp soundcard /etc/modprobe.d
[04:01] <davegahan> thanks tritium
[04:01] <ren0> scizzo I get the error above when I open xine. "no mrl"
[04:01] <tritium> davegahan, is it fixed?
[04:01] <scizzo> ren0: try to use totem-xine
[04:01] <davegahan> i need to log out of windows
[04:01] <sp3tt> Ok, my machine is rebooting with the ubuntu cd inserted.
[04:01] <tritium> davegahan, ok
[04:01] <davegahan> and restart
[04:01] <kahuna_> How do I use marillat without screwing up my system?
[04:02] <davegahan> on a biz trip in russia now so i hope this usb internet connection will work
[04:02] <sp3tt> "For the default installation, press enter"
[04:02] <bob2> you don't use it
[04:02] <elcu> amias: you mean ubuntu won't boot?
[04:02] <scizzo> sp3tt: why are you telling us this?
[04:02] <noobian> cheers snowblink, worked a treat :D
[04:02] <amias> elcu: yes , it grub loads stage one then barfs loading stage 1.5
[04:03] <ren0> It worked yesterday so I can't figure out why its not today. Totem gives a blue screen
[04:03] <chicken_man> sp3tt , he don't know what he's doing lol
[04:03] <poningru> myrtii: how come you dont speak on #firefox anymore?
[04:03] <kahuna_> Does anyone know of a way to get transcode installed? I need it for video editing work and ubuntu doesn't have it.
[04:03] <scizzo> ren0: using totem-xine or totem-gstreamer?
[04:03] <slept> does anyone know how the kernelmodule is called that I need for lvm
[04:03] <elcu> amias: i'm not sure if it's the same error, but i couldn't boot windows.  i had to set a HDD setting in BIOS from "Auto" to "LBA".
[04:04] <ren0> totem-xine I think
[04:04] <sp3tt> Wtf, it didn't find my keyboard.
[04:04] <Myrtti> poningru: I'm a total newbie when it comes to firefox
[04:04] <cyphase> how do you configure NFS remotely?
[04:04] <Myrtti> poningru: nothing much to say.
[04:04] <cyphase> through SSH..
[04:04] <amias> slept: have you tried 'sudo apt-cache search lvm' , this will list packages containing lvm
[04:04] <scizzo> ren0: dpkg -l | grep totem
[04:04] <chicken_man> sp3tt, WOW no keyboard
[04:04] <Myrtti> poningru: I've thought about leaving it
[04:04] <tritium> kahuna_, you'll have to use marillat in that case
[04:04] <sp3tt> Heh, it found the keyboard now.
[04:04] <chicken_man> sp3tt, lol
[04:04] <Alpha> sers@all
[04:04] <sp3tt> Identication of hardware...
[04:04] <amias> elcu: tried those , the bios never gets it right in either mode
[04:05] <ren0> both are listed
[04:05] <kahuna_> tritium, I've tried it and I still get broken deps. I don't want to hose my system so badly that it will break upgrades.
[04:05] <sp3tt> Hey, first linux distro.
[04:05] <ren0> xine and gstreamer
[04:05] <poningru> yeah thats why the channel is there so noobs like us
[04:05] <poningru> can talk to people like the devs
[04:05] <scizzo> ren0: which one has ii infront of it_
[04:05] <scizzo> sp3tt: please...we already know how the installation works... :P
[04:05] <sp3tt> Wtf, it can't find the harddrives... :/
[04:05] <zero[] > how can i check if 3d acceleration is enabled?
[04:05] <ren0> totem xine
[04:06] <chicken_man> sp3tt, ehhh yea he mite be right you know ?
[04:06] <sp3tt> And I have created a fat32 partition.
[04:06] <tritium> kahuna_, it works fine
[04:06] <elcu> zero[] : glxinfo.  Look for Direct Rendering = "Yes."
[04:06] <nemosys> how to setup linux webserver in ubuntu?
[04:06] <scizzo> ren0: check in totem the playlist and make sure it is empty
[04:06] <nemosys> please any internet guide?
[04:06] <elcu> amias: you may have got your partitions screwed up: http://www.mepis.org/node/2223
[04:06] <zero[] > ah, thanks
[04:07] <amias> zero: look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log , look for lines containing drm or dri
[04:07] <chicken_man> nemosys, webserver?
[04:07] <sp3tt> Linux hates me :/
[04:07] <nemosys> yea
[04:07] <chicken_man> sp3tt, lol :)
[04:07] <kahuna_> tritium, which depositories do oyu have and what version of transcode?
[04:07] <nemosys> so we can use cpanel and stuff
[04:07] <scizzo> sp3tt: how did you partition the harddrive before installing?
[04:07] <chicken_man> nemosys, get apache
[04:07] <nemosys> is it possible?
[04:07] <sp3tt> Partition magic.
[04:07] <nemosys> i installed apache2 already
[04:08] <nemosys> but dont know how to use it
[04:08] <vanQ> Can I ask one thing?
[04:08] <chicken_man> nemosys, and ?
[04:08] <chicken_man> nemosys, ahhhh
[04:08] <nemosys> any internet guide?
[04:08] <scizzo> sp3tt: do you have any free space without any filesystem on it?
[04:08] <nemosys> about seting up webserver?
[04:08] <ren0> scizzo, its empty. Play disc?
[04:08] <nemosys> yeah chicken_man that's theproblem
[04:08] <tritium> kahuna_, let me ssh to my home mythtv machine and check...
[04:08] <elcu> nemosys: Google.
[04:08] <kahuna_> You're using hoary?
[04:08] <nemosys> hehehe.. elcu thx
[04:08] <sp3tt> scizzo: No, is that the problem?
[04:08] <nemosys> warty
[04:08] <scizzo> ren0: try to open the DVD from totem
[04:08] <chicken_man> nemosys, i can help
[04:08] <nemosys> owww
[04:08] <sp3tt> Then I'll delete the 100 GB fat32 partition...
[04:09] <nemosys> i just installed php4
[04:09] <scizzo> sp3tt: ummm...could be
[04:09] <vanQ> Many say that Gnome is alot easier... but is it really?  When I saw it, it looked kinda... well... strange compared to KDE... KDE just dazzled me with its crazy amounts of programs with their even more odd codenames (4 mark names that leaves you just to test out yourself)
[04:09] <vanQ> ^^
[04:09] <sp3tt> As I said, GNU/Linux hates me xD
[04:09] <amias> elcu: is this like the errors people had when 2.6 first came out ?
[04:09] <elcu> ren0: try Ogle.
[04:09] <tritium> kahuna_, yes
[04:09] <chicken_man> nemosys, so it's fully installed ?
[04:09] <kahuna_> That's encouraging at least :)
[04:09] <sp3tt> 100 GB of unallocated space - enough?
[04:09] <elcu> amias: no idea. :)  i just googled for you.
[04:10] <vanQ> Hey how can you make the "leave message" different? :P
[04:10] <tritium> kahuna_, 2:0.6.14-0.2 from marillat unstable
[04:10] <nemosys> yepp
[04:10] <elcu> vanQ: in Xchat?
[04:10] <nemosys> chicken_man: yes
[04:10] <amias> elcu: thanks , i found that earlier and assumed that that had been fixed
[04:10] <ren0> elcu...might be better to try one thing at a time. I'll try Ogle if this doesn't work. Thanks
[04:10] <chicken_man> nemosys, join #apachehelp on this server
[04:10] <jordanau> i hear linux is designed to be left on and not rebooted, is that still the case? is it bad to reboot?
[04:10] <amias> elcu: i think its a BIOS issue , so i'm installing maxblast 4 to help the bios see the disk properly
[04:10] <Remenic> why is Qt called libqt3c102?! :S
[04:10] <raavi02> its not bad to reboot,
[04:10] <Remenic> how does ubuntu come up with these wierd names
[04:11] <jordanau> great, thanks, also is it bad on hardware to leave the computer running?
[04:11] <raavi02> it comes with very high stable tag.
[04:11] <ren0> I just got a blue window in Totem and now it has stopped.
[04:11] <elcu> amias: np.  sorry i couldn't help.
[04:11] <scizzo> ren0: did you try to just open a DVD in it?
[04:11] <ren0> Got it working
[04:12] <elcu> jordanau: linux is like any other OS.  whether you leave your 'puter on or off is up to you.
[04:12] <queuetue> I have a hosting priver I like quite a bit, but .. they only offer RHEL...  Anyone have a clever way to get a machine running debian/ubuntu?
[04:12] <ren0> No its just sound
[04:12] <sp3tt> ... What the... still no partitionable media!
[04:12] <ren0> scizzo thats Play Disc?
[04:12] <scizzo> ren0: then you have some nice errors somewhere
[04:12] <jordanau> elcu, i appreciate that
[04:12] <scizzo> GAH!
[04:12] <amias> ren0: totem never did anything for me , i just compiled MPlayer from source (not as hard as it sounds) now i can play any videos on my 233mhz laptop
[04:12] <hypno> jordanau i wouldn't worry about it. your computer will be obsolete before something wears out from continous running. Might want to keep an eye on your hard drive temperature though..
[04:12] <sp3tt> I have created 100 GB of unallocated space...
[04:13] <sp3tt> Why won't ubuntu find it?
[04:13] <raavi02> totem do a lot
[04:13] <jordanau> hypno, sounds good, my case is pretty well ventilated
[04:13] <hypno> that's good. the package hddtemp will let you see your hd temperatures
[04:14] <elcu> hypno: is HDD temp an issue with linux?
[04:14] <jinx``> why is it better to compile the mplayer yourself instead of using a binary?
[04:14] <aracataca> hi to everybodey, I need the command for updating openoffice to the 2.0-version. maybe you could name it briefly. many thanks.
[04:14] <elcu> hypno: also, know of any good CPU temp monitors?
[04:14] <SeamusLP> hypno:  With a five year warranty on mine I'm certainly not worrying :)
[04:14] <ren0> Sorry closed too may windows
[04:14] <kahuna_> tritium,  transcode: Depends: libavcodeccvs (>= 2:20050110-0.0) but it is not going to be installed
[04:14] <scizzo> aracataca: 2.0 is still in development from what I know
[04:14] <jordanau> BTW, if anyone has an old functional (pentium 1 old) computer they would be interested in selling for like $20-$30 plus shipping let me know
[04:15] <qopi> how can i open pdfs in acroread instead of xpdf?
[04:15] <hypno> elcu not specifically, but a lot of people run hard drives at scorchingly hot temperatures then wonder why it breaks down after a couple of years
[04:15] <amias> jinx``: it will optimise it self much better and you get the extra  mga and trident drivers
[04:15] <kahuna_> Can I install the ubuntu avcodecs and force it?
[04:15] <aracataca> scizzo: thats corrects, but still worth trying, i was told
[04:15] <raavi02> install acroread
[04:15] <sp3tt> Ok, that's it.
[04:15] <ren0> I am in Totem>Play Disc and the screen turns Blue. Tells me no file.
[04:15] <jordanau> elcu, yeah lmsensor
[04:15] <sp3tt> If ubuntu can't find my harddrives, then I can't use it.
[04:15] <SeamusLP> kahuna_:  What codecs are you trying to install?
[04:15] <jinx``> do you have to set some extra options?
[04:15] <hypno> elcu lm-sensors plus gkrellm and others
[04:15] <jinx``> or just compile it?
[04:15] <raavi02> and give the pref to acroread rather then xpdf
[04:15] <fgx> what can i do to avoid this? serial8250: too much work for irq10
[04:16] <jordanau> elcu, lmsensor + gdesklet, and you ought to be good
[04:16] <ren0> now it is working
[04:16] <amias> jinx``: ./configure && make && make install
[04:16] <jMi> Hi - how do I find out which module eth0 and eth 1 are loading?
[04:16] <elcu> jordanau: yech, gdesklets.
[04:16] <jinx``> and after that?
[04:16] <ren0> I guess I can relax and watch the film.
[04:16] <jordanau> elcu, yeah i know after 2-3 days of trying to get them to work properly, i gave up
[04:16] <ren0> Thanks to those who helped out
[04:17] <jinx``> not every source comes with configure and make!?
[04:17] <petemc> jinx``: ifrename
[04:17] <jordanau> elcu, with lmsensor you can go to terminal, type in a command (i forgot it) and it will give all voltages, temps, fan speeds.
[04:17] <petemc> jMi: ^^
[04:17] <jinx``> :D
[04:17] <aracataca> scizzo: but openoffice being beta, that means that i can't get it through apt-get yet, through the universe?
[04:18] <queuetue> Spending time in here, I forget what a load of miscreants #debian is.  Then you go in there, and you can tell they just sit around hoping to find someone to pounce on and get all anal with...
[04:18] <elcu> jordanau: ah, goodo.  you based in aus (out of interest)?
[04:18] <hypno> queuetue indeed, the bitterness is strong with them
[04:18] <jinx``> bye
[04:18] <jinx``> bye
[04:18] <jMi> petemc: Sorry, I don't understand what ^^ means
[04:18] <kahuna_> SeamusLP, The codecs that marillat transcode depends on
[04:18] <petemc> queuetue: you cant tar everyone with the same brush
[04:18] <queuetue> jMi, Look up. :)
[04:18] <jordanau> elcu, no not in aus, the command is "sensors" would you like to see my output?
[04:18] <petemc> jMi: it means see my last comment
[04:19] <elcu> jordanau: sure.
[04:19] <jordanau> #flood
[04:19] <tritium> aracataca, you can get openoffice.org2 packages (betas) from universe
[04:19] <queuetue> petemc, Yes, you are correct - They are probably not all active miscreants, some just like to watch. :)
[04:19] <jMi> I've just joined the channel. Up doesn't extend for very long :-)
[04:19] <qopi> raavi02: i've already got acroread installed, but i only seem to be able to open pdfs in xpdf
[04:19] <davegahan> tritium, it worked ! thanks
[04:19] <SeamusLP> kahuna_:  Yeah it seems like I installed that at one point... gimme a sec and I'll help ya
[04:19] <petemc> jMi: only 2 lines up
[04:19] <tritium> davegahan, great :)
[04:19] <davegahan> back in ubuntu
[04:19] <GuruFF> lo :>
[04:20] <raavi02> you right-click on pdf file set the pref to acroread
[04:20] <davegahan> why is the ubuntu desktop removed when removing games or some unnecessary fonts ?
[04:20] <Kariloy> hi
[04:20] <davegahan> makes no sense really
[04:20] <aracataca> tritium: ok, and could you name the command for that, please?
[04:21] <tritium> davegahan, the ubuntu-desktop meta-package depends on several packages to provide a nice desktop environment
[04:21] <jMi> petemc: Oh the ifrename command? Gotcha, thanks!
[04:21] <rotherad> davegahan: the ubuntu desktop package is like a symlink for some of the packages, and it disapears when you remove those
[04:21] <petemc> jMi: np :)
[04:21] <raavi02> davegahan: decause of deps
[04:21] <space_oddity> hello
[04:21] <aracataca> tritium: have u tried it already, is that stable enough to work with it?
[04:21] <jordanau> elcu, the install requires a little work
[04:21] <elcu> jordanau: so in those screenshots, they are using gdesklets to have that stacked system monitor i always see.
[04:21] <tritium> aracataca, you can use synaptic or aptitude, or apt-get to install the packages.  It's openoffice.org2.  apt-cache search openoffice.org2 to see what packages there are
[04:22] <tritium> aracataca, I don't use it often, but I've installed it
[04:22] <elcu> jordanau: it does?  not a simple matter of just installing the package?
[04:22] <SeamusLP> kahuna_:  It seems like all I had to do was add the marillat repository and install transcode.  Is that different now?
[04:22] <jordanau> elcu, yeah all of those sensor gdesklets require lmsensors (at least the ones that measure temp etc.)
[04:22] <space_oddity> how is named the new ubuntu? the one after hoary?
[04:23] <davegahan> does anyone know an elegant way to edit the gnome application menu list ?
[04:23] <jordanau> elcu, i think you have to add some modules and stuff
[04:23] <aracataca> tritium: ok. i'm still very fresh to ubuntu, so it'll take a while to figure out how to use apt-get, but i will.. thanks
[04:23] <Bazzi_> space_oddity breezy
[04:23] <jordanau> space_oddity, breezy
[04:23] <tritium> kahuna_, there were no broken dependencies when I installed either, but that was months ago
[04:23] <davegahan> i installed menu editor but ii is full of bugs
[04:23] <elcu> jordanau: lm-sensor?
[04:23] <kahuna_> SeamusLP, Maybe. I have marillat but transcode wants a CVS version of avcodecs that can't be installed.
[04:23] <jordanau> elcu, yep
[04:23] <space_oddity> so I can change hoary to breezy in my source.list file?
[04:23] <raavi02> davegahan: Configuration Editor
[04:23] <tritium> aracataca, I recommend aptitude.  e.g., aptitude install openoffice.org2
[04:23] <jordanau> elcu, then the command to read everything is senso
[04:23] <SeamusLP> kahuna_:  Here's what I'd do.  Get all the codecs possible from the repository, then install transcode and the avcodecs from source
[04:23] <jordanau> sensor
[04:23] <jbailey> Anyone here got an amd64 running breezy?
[04:24] <goldfish> #deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ stable main
[04:24] <goldfish> #deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[04:24] <goldfish> #deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main
[04:24] <darkaudit> kahuna_: have you tried the cerkinfo repo for transcode?
[04:24] <elcu> jordanau: ok
[04:24] <davegahan> hmmm i went through that but found it intimidating
[04:24] <goldfish> Should I have those in my sources.list?
[04:24] <davegahan> could not adress certain issues
[04:25] <chicken_man> if any one need help with apache join #apachehelp on this server
[04:25] <kahuna_> darkaudit, nope. I'll try that one though
[04:26] <qopi> raavi02: yeah, i'd tried doing that, but nothing happens when i select or browse to acroread. Any ideas?
[04:27] <it4ngo> Hello I'm looking for some documentation on how to fix USB sound in hoary, I'm searching the forum...
[04:27] <davegahan> is the fact that skype has several hours in delay of sending chat messages due to a firewall setting ?
[04:28] <raavi02> qopi: you must have Open With tab in Properties menu#
[04:28] <sp3tt> Why won't linux find the free, unallocated space?
[04:28] <raavi02> qopi: select Add to add the desired application e.g. acroread
[04:28] <raavi02> qopi: choose the acroread as a reader for pdf
[04:28] <amias> davegahan: very unlikely
[04:28] <sp3tt> It is there, it shows up in partition magic, but the installer simply can't find it...
[04:29] <raavi02> qopi: Then things will work fine for you.
[04:29] <SeamusLP> qopi:  Sure you want to use acroread as a reader?  xpdf or gdpf are quicker.
[04:29] <Wings> I'm trying to install Nvidia drivers, following the ubuntu guide, and at the first command I get this error:  subprocess pre-installation script returned error exit status 2. What can I do?
[04:29] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> kunbuntu
[04:29] <elcu> SeamusLP: any difference b/n the gnome and normal versions?
[04:30] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> oops
[04:30] <SeamusLP> elcu:  gpdf is based on xpdf, basically just a shinier frontend from what I can tell
[04:30] <tritium> with poor font support
[04:30] <SeamusLP> elcu:  I suspect ubuntu decided to use xpdf because some people find gpdf buggy
[04:31] <raavi02> elcu: thats right, gpdf uses xpdf to render.
[04:31] <raavi02> elcu: xpdf runs much faster then gpdf
[04:31] <elcu> righto.  i personally use gnome-gv
[04:31] <SeamusLP> elcu, how is that?
[04:31] <riot777> hi
[04:31] <Wings> anyone?
[04:31] <elcu> it's ok.  no search functionality though.
[04:31] <SeamusLP> Wings:  Can you please find a place to post your xorg.conf?
[04:32] <elcu> so i use xpdf as backup.
[04:32] <Wings> I didn't edit that SaemusLP
[04:32] <Wings> just default
[04:32] <tritium> Wings, what package failed to install?
[04:32] <riot777> how I safely remove gnome is 'apt-get remove gnome' is enuff ?
[04:32] <davegahan> where do i need to go in configuration editor to configure the gnome application menu ? I installed some aps that do not show
[04:32] <riot777> ;>
[04:32] <Wings> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/nvidia-glx_1.0.7174-0ubuntu1_i386.deb (--unpack):
[04:32] <elcu> davegahan: try logging out and back in again.
[04:32] <amias> Wings: sounds like nvidia goofed , you should complain to them about binaries making life really difficult
[04:32] <tritium> regarding gpdf:  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/gpdf
[04:33] <davegahan> I did
[04:33] <Wings> somehow I doubt that
[04:33] <davegahan> i always have the same problem with Skype regardless the connection or ISP
[04:33] <SeamusLP> Wings:  You followed the guide but you didn't edit your xorg.conf?
[04:33] <tritium> Wings, now do: sudo apt-get -f install
[04:33] <elcu> davegahan: maybe some apps don't install a menu entry (zsnes springs to mind).  just add one manually.
[04:33] <tritium> SeamusLP, you don't need to edit it
[04:34] <davegahan> how does one do that ?
[04:34] <davegahan> sorry but still quite a newbie
[04:34] <Wings> I did that tritium, it say 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed and 0 removed
[04:34] <Wings> and 0 not upgraded
[04:34] <SeamusLP> tritium:  Isn't wings trying to upgrade from the open source drivers to the binary ones?
[04:34] <tritium> Wings, what does apt-cache policy nvidia-glx tell you?
[04:35] <tritium> SeamusLP, yes, so he can use nvidia-glx-config enable, rather than editing his xorg.conf
[04:35] <Wings> installed: none
[04:35] <elcu> davegahan: open the menu you want to add an entry to, go to one of the existing icons, right click, select entire menu->add new item
[04:35] <recover> Is xchat compiled with tcl or python support when I apt-get it?
[04:35] <SeamusLP> tritium:   Maybe I'm just old fashioned.
[04:35] <Wings> and it gives a version table
[04:35] <ups> recover, yes, perl, tcl and python i believe
[04:35] <recover> ok, thx ups
[04:36] <tritium> SeamusLP, hand-editing will change the md5sum, as well (see the head of /etc/X11/xorg.conf)
[04:36] <dcraven> I just realized that Ubuntu's versioning system doesn't make sense to me.
[04:36] <davegahan> only have two "add this...." choices
[04:36] <Wings> anyway, I got to a point were I could install the drivers, but I had to do some sketchy thing with recompiling stuff
[04:36] <Wings> it's all very dodgy
[04:36] <elcu> recover:  From my Xchat FreeNode log: Python interface loaded
[04:36] <elcu>  Perl interface loaded
[04:36] <elcu>  Tcl plugin for XChat - Version 1.0.49
[04:36] <tritium> Wings, you don't need to do any compiling for nvidia drivers
[04:37] <chicken_man> need help with apache join #apachehelp on this server
[04:37] <Wings> I downloaded the drivers from nvidia.com
[04:37] <elcu> davegahan: what are they?
[04:37] <tritium> Wings, that's not good.  You should use the ubuntu packages
[04:37] <Wings> and killed X, ran them, and they talked about compiling something
[04:37] <Wings> can you link me?
[04:38] <elcu> Wings: http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:38] <davegahan> add this as drawer to panel, add this as menu to panel
[04:39] <Wings> elcu, that gives me the same error as the one I got when following ubuntuguide.org 's guide
[04:39] <dockane> hi all.. is there a way to cahnge this brown color through complete gnome with 1 (!) theme or do i have to pick each element (splash, login,desktop, windows.etc) ?
[04:39] <tritium> Wings, that's the method to follow
[04:39] <GNAM> nvidia as described in ubuntuguide doesn't work for me
[04:40] <Wings> that's odd
[04:40] <SeamusLP> Wings but you didn't use the package management?
[04:40] <Wings> no :/
[04:40] <Wings> what's that?
[04:40] <goldfish> apt-get
[04:40] <goldfish> ?
[04:40] <elcu> davegahan: are you right-clicking on an existing icon?
[04:40] <Wings> that's in the lines from the official site
[04:41] <Wings> I guess I used that then
[04:41] <SeamusLP> Wings you should use apt-get install nvidia-glx
[04:41] <kynes> hi
[04:41] <kynes> I installed ubuntu today
[04:41] <GNAM> doesn't work seamuslp
[04:41] <kynes> and there is Win XP
[04:41] <GNAM> screen CRASH
[04:41] <kynes> on the same machine
[04:41] <tritium> Wings, you should uninstall the official nvidia stuff before installing the ubuntu packages
[04:41] <kynes> how can I browse windows files from ubuntu?
[04:41] <kynes> where are they located?
[04:42] <Wings> aha
[04:42] <GNAM> Wings: what's your nvidia? I've a Geforce5700GO
[04:42] <raavi02> kynes: you must mount those partitions
[04:42] <elcu> kynes: ubuntuguide.org
[04:42] <Wings> GNAM, 4200ti
[04:42] <gingermark> Hiya. Trying to sort out a Realplayer plugin for Mozilla-compatible browsers, just cos sites like the BBC insist on using them. I'm not worried about the player, just the plugins. Installing Real Alternative took care of this in Windows. Anyone know of a similar thing in Ubuntu?
[04:42] <Wings> tritium, where do I do that?
[04:42] <tritium> GNAM, did you check your /var/log/Xorg.0.log to find out the error?
[04:43] <tritium> Wings, do what?
[04:43] <GNAM> no :P
[04:43] <Wings> uninstall the nvidia drivers
[04:43] <elcu> gingermark: ubuntuguide.org
[04:43] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> ive used vlc has good browser plugins
[04:43] <gingermark> elcu, ok will have a ganders there
[04:43] <gingermark> cheers
[04:43] <Wings> the ones that came with the iso
[04:43] <tritium> Wings, I never installed them.  You tell me.  I only use the ubuntu packages/
[04:44] <Wings> I got the iso the other day, installed it, and now I'm looking to get the nvidia drivers
[04:44] <Wings> I haven't done anything on it yet
[04:44] <GNAM> i wait some other days to retry nvidia
[04:44] <tritium> Wings, you said you installed them
[04:44] <Wings> all I know is that this line "sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx" gives me an error
[04:44] <Wings> I said I tried to install them
[04:44] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> wonder why you cant mix ubuntu pkg's wuth reg deb 's
[04:44] <GNAM> i'm sure that ubuntuguide will give a correction
[04:44] <tritium> GNAM, did you check the log file for errors?
[04:44] <tritium> GNAM, it is correct
[04:44] <sp3tt> If the bootloader is not installed in the mbr, will it be used by the BIOS on boot?
[04:44] <Wings> the .run from nvidia.com
[04:44] <GNAM> no, it's not correct
[04:44] <tritium> GNAM, yes, it is.
[04:44] <GNAM> i've deleted that install
[04:44] <sp3tt> Or will something have to activate it?
[04:45] <GNAM> so i'ven't more the file
[04:45] <GNAM> but one day i'll retry
[04:45] <GNAM> so i'm not only one with problems with nvidia
[04:45] <tritium> GNAM, the method is correct.  If you have specific issues with your card, we'll have to address them by checking the log file for the exact cause of the error.
[04:46] <GNAM> but log file tell me something?
[04:46] <tritium> GNAM, it'll help us troubleshoot, yes
[04:46] <GNAM> system is not crashed, sounds tell me that i can login
[04:46] <GNAM> also if screen is corrupted
[04:46] <amias> sp3tt: if you have another bootloader like system commander it will go in the mbr and you put your bootsector in your root partition , otherwise if you have no other os then put it in the mbr
[04:46] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> more /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[04:47] <Wings> tritium, do you know a place where I can upload the text in the terminal that I get when I use the command from the  site?
[04:47] <amias> Wings: mailinator.com
[04:47] <larsrohdin> does anyone know a good program for cd-burning?
[04:47] <kynes> elcu && raavi02 : thanks
[04:47] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> gome or kde ?
[04:47] <tritium> Wings, is it short?  Are you using xchat?
[04:47] <Ocid> larsrohdin: gnomebaker
[04:48] <elcu> kynes: i forgot.  for what?
[04:48] <elcu> :)
[04:48] <kynes> :)
[04:48] <larsrohdin> Ocid, can i use it without gnome? im on fluxbox...
[04:48] <Wings> I am using xchat
[04:48] <kynes> fluxbox is darn good
[04:48] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> kde k3b
[04:48] <Ocid> larsrohdin: sure
[04:48] <tritium> Wings, you can use "/exec -o <command>" if it won't paste too many lines
[04:48] <kynes> but for more ram, the choice is Gnome.. :)
[04:48] <Wings> it's 25 lines
[04:48] <tritium> too many
[04:48] <Wings> I'll put it on pastebin
[04:49] <larsrohdin> Ocid, ok ill give it a try... thanks
[04:49] <elcu> JuNkPhreak|UnIx: and for gnome?
[04:49] <danwolf> anyone have problems in ubuntu with gdn locking up on them?
[04:49] <Wings> tritium, here it is http://www.pastebin.com/273228
[04:49] <tritium> Wings, please uninstall the nvidia stuff you installed from the .run file before we do any troubleshooting
[04:49] <danwolf> It locks on me and I have to ssh in with my laptop to get it to restart
[04:50] <Wings> I didn't install anything from the .run
[04:50] <danwolf> I have an nvidia card
[04:50] <danwolf> anyone help me out?
[04:50] <tritium> Wings, looks like you've installed ati drivers too (fglrx).  Why?
[04:50] <Wings> oh
[04:50] <Wings> aha
[04:50] <GNAM> auauau
[04:50] <Wings> that must be it
[04:50] <Wings> lol
[04:50] <danwolf> tritium: are the nvidia drivers bad?
[04:50] <tritium> danwolf, no, why?
[04:50] <Wings> tritium, how can I get rid of them?
[04:51] <Ocid> danwolf: nvidia works nice
[04:51] <tritium> Wings, apt-get remove --purge them is what I'd do
[04:51] <danwolf> I have a problem where my gdm locks up after a while in gnome
[04:51] <kynes> is there any program for ICQ that looks elegant?
[04:51] <tritium> danwolf, what does your log file indicate?
[04:51] <danwolf> Ocid: I have a problem where my gdm locks up after a while in gnome
[04:51] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> elcu : gnomebaker
[04:51] <Ocid> danwolf: i had similar probs in X
[04:51] <EddieX> kyncani, gaim ?
[04:51] <kynes> I mean, licq is good, but looks bad on screen
[04:51] <elcu> JuNkPhreak|UnIx: thanks
[04:51] <danwolf> tritium: which log file?
[04:51] <amias> yey me ! fixed my grub error 18 problem by installing MaxBlast4 first (told it i was using Windows98)
[04:51] <danwolf> Ocid: you fix it?
[04:51] <Wings> tritium, it's not working, but I'll just reinstall it
[04:51] <tritium> danwolf, /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[04:51] <Wings> thanks for all the help
[04:51] <kynes> eddieX: gaim shows me offline sometimes
[04:51] <elcu> amias: well done
[04:51] <Wings> I'll see you another time
[04:51] <tritium> Wings, which isn't working?
[04:52] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> kynes : kde or gnome ?
[04:52] <danwolf> tritium: hold
[04:52] <Wings> that thing
[04:52] <Ocid> danwolf: then i removed the renderaccel true from xorg.conf
[04:52] <Ocid> that fixed it
[04:52] <Wings> but I only installed it today
[04:52] <kynes> eddieX: I dunno why
[04:52] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> iuse kopete
[04:52] <EddieX> kyncani, hmm gossip, kopete ?
[04:52] <Wings> so I'm cool with a fresh install
[04:52] <tritium> Wings, you have to install it after you remove fglrx
[04:52] <danwolf> Ocid: maybe I will try that
[04:52] <kynes> junkPhreak: gnome
[04:52] <Wings> :p
[04:52] <Wings> bbl
[04:52] <Wings> .quit
[04:52] <Wings> ..
[04:52] <kynes> kopete site is under construction I guess?
[04:52] <kynes> couldn't get it
[04:52] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> gaim
[04:52] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> multi chat client
[04:52] <kynes> but gaim looks good, I agree
[04:53] <danwolf> tritium: (WW) Open APM failed (/dev/apm_bios) (No such file or directory)
[04:53] <danwolf> think thats it?
[04:53] <tritium> kyncani, kopete is in the repositories.  You would grab it from there, not the site
[04:53] <EddieX> I use gaim and i think it is very good
[04:53] <tritium> danwolf, not likely.  Any (EE) ?
[04:53] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> kynes: http://kopete.kde.org/index.php
[04:53] <sp3tt> "Ok" Ubuntu can't load the ide-detect module....
[04:53] <danwolf> tritium: Warning: font renderer for ".bdf.gz" already registered at priority 0
[04:53] <danwolf> that?
[04:54] <danwolf> tritium: hold
[04:54] <goldfish> where does a usb hard-drive get mounted to?
[04:54] <tritium> goldfish, should be under /media
[04:54] <petemc> goldfish: /media/part000 or some such
[04:54] <danwolf> tritium: only II and ww
[04:55] <tritium> danwolf, and you can't use X at all?
[04:55] <danwolf> tritium: think I should try what Ocid was saying
[04:55] <danwolf> tritium: nah I am in gnome right now
[04:55] <krusbjorn> I'm building myself a new computer. Leaning towards an Asus A8N-E MB and an AMD64 Winchester CPU. However, i'm totally lost in the RAM djungle. Right now im pondering Kingston ValueRAM PC3200...but i have no idea at all if it's good compared to others...Anyone have any tips?
[04:55] <tritium> danwolf, I didn't see what he suggested
[04:55] <danwolf> tritium: after a while it just locks and I have to ssh in to restart gdm
[04:55] <danwolf> tritium: 09:53 < Ocid> danwolf: then i removed the renderaccel true from xorg.conf
[04:55] <tritium> danwolf, do you have that enabled?
[04:56] <danwolf> renderaccel?
[04:56] <danwolf> tritium: renderaccel?
[04:56] <danwolf> dunn
[04:56] <flipy> how can I set up ndiswrapper to load at boot time?
[04:56] <danwolf> lemme look
[04:56] <tritium> danwolf, if you do, it would be because you inserted it into your xorg.conf yourself
[04:57] <Ocid> tritium: yeah true
[04:57] <Ocid> tritium: i had lockups after adding that
[04:57] <tritium> Ocid, so you've had bad luck using it?
[04:57] <danwolf> tritium:         Device          "NVIDIA Corporation NV28 [GeForce4 Ti 4200 AGP 8x] "
[04:57] <amias> right i'm all done in here , have fun everyone
[04:57] <danwolf> tritium: no I don't see it
[04:58] <tritium> danwolf, you would remember if you had added it in
[04:58] <danwolf> tritium: I have been having problems with HAL giving me an error when I log into gnome occassionally
[04:59] <danwolf> tritium: I removed my optical drives so that fixed the hal problem temporarily of course
[04:59] <tritium> Ocid, have you tried using NvAGP rather than agpgart?
[04:59] <danwolf> tritium: now I realize I have this problem too
[04:59] <danwolf> tritium: ubuntu has been bugged since I installed it
[04:59] <tritium> danwolf, what exactly is the problem, given that you have X running?
[04:59] <Ocid> tritium: not lately with ubuntu, didn't work well with SID
[04:59] <Paradiossina> hi everybody: what is the little sounds folder in ubuntu?
[04:59] <danwolf> tritium: I had optical drive problems in windows too though
[05:00] <tritium> Ocid, it works best for me, particularly with suspend-to-ram
[05:00] <danwolf> tritium: there is no prob right now, but it will lockup eventually
[05:00] <tritium> danwolf, I see...
[05:00] <dockane> is there a way to change iconset, loginscreen and themes (etc) in ONE go or do i have to get all that stuff together ?
[05:00] <danwolf> tritium: always does
[05:00] <dockane> i am looking at gnome-look.org
[05:00] <tritium> danwolf, sorry, when it happens again, check your log files, dmesg, etc., and see if you can track it down
[05:01] <danwolf> hmm
[05:01] <it4ng1> I need a hoary USB sound guru to help me to fix my USB headset problem
[05:01] <danwolf> what was that last log file?
[05:01] <danwolf> tritium: what was the one log file you mentioned?
[05:01] <Ocid> danwolf: /var/log/messages
[05:01] <tritium> Ocid, thanks
[05:01] <Ocid> danwolf: or command dmesg
[05:01] <danwolf> yeah
[05:01] <danwolf> I know dmesg
[05:02] <danwolf> I will just scroll up
[05:02] <danwolf> heh
[05:03] <danwolf> Ocid: anymore good log files I should check?
[05:03] <Ocid> Xorg.log.0 usually
[05:03] <danwolf> yeah
[05:03] <danwolf> thanks
[05:03] <danwolf> got it
[05:03] <tritium> danwolf, syslog, messages, kern.log for those other problems you're having
[05:03] <Ocid> Xorg.0.log*
[05:04] <danwolf> tritium: are those commands?
[05:04] <tritium> danwolf, no, logfiles in /var/log
[05:04] <danwolf> tritium: or where are they located
[05:04] <Chipparn> i got some problems with my mic to work.. any ideas? do i need to do anything like install drivers or mount sound or something?
[05:04] <danwolf> oh yeah, ok
[05:04] <danwolf> thanks
[05:05] <mikeco> lizdeika, yes, fglrx
[05:05] <tritium> Chipparn, check the "Capture" section of your volume control
[05:05] <cusco> hello! does anyone here uses an ipod?
[05:05] <GuruFF> lo i need to test drive gnomemeeting, does anyone want to help ?
[05:05] <GuruFF> :)
[05:05] <cusco> actually does anyone uses gtkpod?
[05:05] <cusco> I need help connecting for the first time an ipod to ubuntu
[05:06] <danwolf> tritium: Apr 18 21:58:02 localhost kernel: ibm_acpi: ec object not found
[05:06] <Chipparn> tritium: yep i have done that already.. and i tuned up the volume.. but the mic still not working
[05:06] <danwolf> tritium: Apr 18 21:58:01 localhost kernel: usb 2-1: device not accepting address 2, error -71
[05:07] <tritium> Chipparn, in addition to turning up the volume, make sure the Mic audio capture toggle is set
[05:08] <tritium> danwolf, did those errors occur at the time X locked up on you?
[05:08] <zero[] > anyone know if it's possible to type in hebrew in openoffice on an english installation of ubuntu/openoffice?
[05:09] <danwolf> I like the way nvidia is always said to taint the kernel
[05:09] <Chipparn> tritium: ahh thanks.. got it working now..
[05:09] <tritium> zero[] , I can't be certain, but there's a Hebrew language pack: openoffice.org-l10n-he
[05:09] <tritium> Chipparn, excellent :)
[05:09] <zero[] > tririum: thanks, i'll give that a try
[05:10] <danwolf_> tritium: sorry there it went
[05:10] <danwolf_> tritium: locked up on me
[05:10] <danwolf_> lemme try to check my logs, which should I check
[05:10] <danwolf_> tritium: which log would most likely have the error?
[05:10] <tritium> danwolf, don't know
[05:11] <danwolf_> hmm
[05:11] <danwolf_> tritium: I will check the xorg one first
[05:11] <tritium> danwolf, I'll be away for a few minutes...
[05:12] <danwolf_> tritium: are the new errors on the bottom?
[05:12] <space_oddity> -
[05:12] <no0tic> someone has officejetPro1150C scanner working?
[05:12] <danwolf_> tritium: Could not init font path element unix/:7100, removing from list!
[05:12] <no0tic> or knows how to get it working?
[05:14] <flipy> how can I set up ndiswrapper to load at boot time?
[05:14] <usynic> flipy: put it in /etc/modules
[05:15] <bassMonkey> Is firefox 1.0.3 going to be made available for hoary?
[05:15] <tritium> danwolf_, I'm back.  That font error is not important
[05:15] <deFrysk> bassMonkey, nope
[05:15] <Gerrath> Were can I find a list of packages that are included with the Ubuntu Live CD?
[05:16] <AshyR> I can't get my Lucent winmodem to work properly.  I can get it to dial, it connects, but doesn't seem to get to the point where it sends the username/pass or something.. I've tried the network connections thing, pppconfig, various things with wvdial and manual config attempts, gnome-ppp.. Maybe my ISP is weird.
[05:16] <danwolf_> hmm
[05:16] <danwolf_> tritium: I dunno then what I am looking for
[05:17] <bassMonkey> deFrysk: but isn't it a security update? aren't those supposed to be added?
[05:17] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> is there any settings  for auth in the dialer your using ?
[05:17] <danwolf_> tritium: I see a bunch of stuff like Apr 19 10:14:37 localhost kernel: agpgart: Putting AGP V3 device at 0000:01:00.0 into 8x mode
[05:17] <danwolf_> a bunch
[05:17] <astro76> Gerrath: http://us.releases.ubuntu.com/releases/5.04/ubuntu-5.04-live-i386.manifest
[05:17] <danwolf_> tritium: and a lot of Apr 19 10:14:37 localhost udev[12046] : removing device node '/dev/vcsa8'
[05:18] <AshyR> I think by default "noauth" was in one of the files.. /etc/ppp/options or /etc/ppp/peers/provider, I forget which.
[05:18] <tritium> danwolf_, doesn't look like you're finding anything that indicates the cause
[05:18] <danwolf_> tritium: an some dhcp things
[05:18] <danwolf_> tritium: lemme keep digging
[05:18] <tritium> danwolf_, okay, I'm going to have to get going to get some work done.  Take care.
[05:19] <deFrysk> bassMonkey, afaIk firofox wil be patched if needed , but the version of firefox will remain as is
[05:19] <danwolf_> tritium: shit, ok
[05:19] <chicken_man> need help with apache ? join #apachehelp on this server
[05:20] <danwolf_> Symbol __glXgetActiveScreen from module /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libdri.a is unresolved!
[05:20] <danwolf_> whats that mean?
[05:20] <danwolf_> anyone seen that?
[05:20] <danwolf_> will it cause gdm to lockup?
[05:20] <tritium> danwolf_, do you have the "dri" module loaded in your xorg.conf?
[05:20] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> is there any othere repos out there unthere thatn the ubuntu site >?
[05:20] <danwolf_> dunno tritium
[05:21] <danwolf_> where will that be?
[05:21] <tritium> danwolf_, check please?
[05:21] <zero[] > tritium: i can copy and paste hebrew, but if i type in the hebrew font i still see english characters.. do i need to change my keyboard settings or something?
[05:21] <danwolf_> tritium: where in xorg.conf would it be?
[05:21] <tritium> danwolf_, grep dri /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[05:22] <tritium> zero[] , no idea.  I've only used english.  Sorry.
[05:22] <zero[] > oh
[05:22] <danwolf_> Section "DRI"
[05:22] <danwolf_>         Mode    0666
[05:22] <danwolf_> tritium: yeah I got a hit on the grep
[05:22] <tritium> danwolf_, okay, but no Load "dri" line?
[05:23] <chicken_man> need help with apache ? join #apachehelp on this server
[05:23] <Ocid> danwolf_: should be in the beginning of xorg-conf -> load "dri"
[05:23] <danwolf_> yes
[05:23] <thr1ce> anyone have 3d accel working with ATI ?
[05:23] <danwolf_> tritium: Section "Module"
[05:23] <danwolf_>         Load    "bitmap"
[05:23] <danwolf_>         Load    "dbe"
[05:23] <danwolf_>         Load    "ddc"
[05:23] <danwolf_>         Load    "dri"
[05:23] <danwolf_>         Load    "extmod"
[05:23] <danwolf_>         Load    "freetype"
[05:23] <danwolf_>         Load    "glx"
[05:23] <danwolf_>         Load    "int10"
[05:23] <danwolf_>         Load    "record"
[05:23] <thenuke> danwolf_: nice.
[05:23] <danwolf_>         Load    "type1"
[05:23] <danwolf_>         Load    "vbe"
[05:24] <thr1ce> stop, use #food
[05:24] <thr1ce> flood
[05:24] <zenrox> FLOOOD
[05:24] <danwolf_> EndSection
[05:24] <mjr> thr1ce, yes, but I have a 9250 which is supported by the default free driver, which probably doesn't apply to you?
[05:24] <danwolf_> sorry guus
[05:24] <wezzer> aiee
[05:24] <thr1ce> i want my 9700 pro to work
[05:24] <danwolf_> please don't kick me
[05:24] <danwolf_> heh
[05:24] <danwolf_> at least it wasnt tooo long
[05:24] <thr1ce> yes it was
[05:24] <danwolf_> oh well, sorry
[05:24] <tritium> danwolf_, technically., /usr/share/doc/nvidia-glx/README.gz says not to load "dri", so you can try commenting out that line.  It really shouldn't cause that problem, however, but you can try...
[05:25] <danwolf_> what about the glx stuff?
[05:25] <danwolf_> tritium: whats the dri do?
[05:25] <Ocid> danwolf_: http://ocid.homelinux.net/files/xorg.conf <- compare yours with that
[05:25] <ploum> hello
[05:25] <tritium> danwolf_, it's related to the glx error you showed us
[05:25] <GuruFF> helo; i need help with gnomemeeting, aynone suceed in talking with netmeeting; i have read stuff online and there is noone on #gnomemeeting channel
[05:25] <chicken_man> need help with apache ? join #apachehelp on this server
[05:26] <tritium> chicken_man, we've seen that before.  Please don't repeat
[05:26] <danwolf_> tritium: ok I will remove the dri line
[05:26] <ploum> On Ubuntu Hoary, somes flash website don't display text. (take a look a http://kartoo.com/ for an example).  Any idea on how to solve this ?
[05:26] <danwolf_> Ocid: mine looks a lot like yours
[05:26] <chicken_man> sorry just trying to help
[05:26] <Amaranth> Need help with apache? Join the real #apache channel.
[05:26] <chicken_man> lol
[05:27] <thr1ce> so noone has 3d accel working with fglrx ?
[05:27] <danwolf_> tritium: I can just # that line out right? then do I need to full restart? or just restart gdm?
[05:27] <eleusis> i do
[05:28] <Ocid> danwolf_: just restart X
[05:28] <tritium> danwolf_, you can simply restart gdm
[05:28] <thr1ce> eleusis, may I PM you ?
[05:28] <danwolf_> ok thanks
[05:28] <wezzer-> ctrl+alt+backspace
[05:28] <danwolf_> wish me luck
[05:28] <Ocid> danwolf_: with ctrl-alt-backspace
[05:28] <danwolf_> Ocid: yeah I know
[05:28] <danwolf_> that never really works for me though
[05:28] <danwolf_> always just goes to a black screen
[05:28] <danwolf_> then I gotta kill gdm and restart it
[05:28] <Ocid> weird
[05:29] <eleusis> thr1ce: all i did was use the info @ http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html
[05:29] <Ocid> are you sure that your gfx card is not running too hot?
[05:29] <tritium> thr1ce, did you follow: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto ?
[05:29] <danwolf_> Ocid:  me?
[05:29] <Ocid> yeah
[05:29] <danwolf_> Ocid: maybe...
[05:29] <thr1ce> tritium, yes, it doesn't work that well
[05:29] <danwolf_> never gotta lockup in windows
[05:30] <Ocid> danwolf_: how about in 3d games?
[05:30] <danwolf_> not in windows
[05:30] <danwolf_> and not in ubuntu either
[05:30] <danwolf_> its almost always just when its sittin
[05:30] <danwolf_> doing not much of nothin
[05:30] <Ocid> danwolf_: and an old issue nvidia works poorly with old intel ZX chipsets
[05:30] <tritium> danwolf_, I'll let Ocid help you now, if he has time.  I need to get going.
[05:31] <danwolf_> ok
[05:31] <danwolf_> tritium: thanks a lot
[05:31] <Ocid> hmz, so do i....
[05:31] <danwolf_> its cool guys
[05:31] <danwolf_> me too
[05:31] <danwolf_> class in 20
[05:31] <danwolf_> later
[05:31] <danwolf_> thanks
[05:31] <Ocid> l8r
[05:31] <tritium> danwolf_, sure.  See you.  You too Ocid.
[05:31] <Ocid> se ya tritium
[05:31] <enotnert> hey, ive got a quick support question if someone can help me out
[05:32] <enotnert> nothing big
[05:32] <chicken_man> if any one want's to learn C++ checkout my C++ guide http://80.6.146.58/apache2-default/help/
[05:32] <enotnert> I am trying my first ubuntu install (im normally a gentoo user) and I get to the "configure apt" step, and it is taking forever, I see activity on eth0, and my question is this
[05:33] <enotnert> is it attempting to download and upgrade any packages that are currently out of date in that step? I am on dialup, and I let it sit over nite, 100 something megs of traffic came into eth0, and that was my only thought
[05:34] <chicken_man> enotnert, ubuntu is 512MB +
[05:34] <chicken_man> for full
[05:34] <AshyR> When I installed Ubuntu for the first time yesterday, it was taking forever on "configure apt" twice.. (well, maybe 5-10 minutes).. No other computers were on or anything though, let alone sharing the network, and it didn't dial out so I don't know what it was doing at that point
[05:34] <enotnert> yeah, but its this deal, ive got the install iso, it was a 500 somethign meg download, is there not a resident apt-repository on it?
[05:35] <chicken_man> enotnert, order a free cd www.ubuntulinux.org
[05:35] <enotnert> right now, ive got the network disconnected from said machine, hoping itll configure apt sans network this go round
[05:35] <enotnert> chicken_man: ive got a cd
[05:35] <chicken_man> enotnert, ahhh
[05:35] <dockane> i saw a german speech from the chaos computer club on some meeting in hamburg where they showed the vulnerability and uselesness of software firewalls on window$. they even said its a security risk to use them as the firewall itself is one runnning service more that can be attacked. i wonder that firestarter uses this concept too or is this application for all the window$ u$er who feel safe only with something like this ?
[05:35] <kynes> i added this line:
[05:35] <chicken_man> do a normal install and when it asks for updates off the net say no
[05:35] <kynes> /dev/hda1       /media/windows  ntfs    umask=0222      0       0
[05:35] <enotnert> what im saying is during the actual install, when it got to configure apt, eth0 lit up like crazy (for dialup_
[05:35] <kynes> to /etc/fstab
[05:36] <kynes> and when I try an mp3 in xmms
[05:36] <kynes> it crashes
[05:36] <kynes> when I press play
[05:36] <kynes> dmesg shows errors about unicode characters
[05:36] <chicken_man> enotnert, press no when it asks for updates
[05:36] <kynes> what must I do?
[05:37] <enotnert> it never asked the question about updates from the 'net, or either i wasnt reading into it
[05:37] <chicken_man> enotnert, what you installing warty or horey
[05:37] <AshyR> I don't remember it asking, either.. maybe if it was started with... I forget the option, debian/priority=medium or something?
[05:37] <enotnert> kynes, you do have ntfs support compiled in the kernel right?
[05:37] <enotnert> and chicken, horey
[05:37] <enotnert> i drove to a friends house last nite to jack broadband to get it
[05:38] <grumpysmurf> ntfs is included w/ hoary...
[05:38] <chicken_man> enotnert, well i got warty at the mo i orderd a horey cd
[05:38] <enotnert> and kynes: ive always had issues with ntfs reading especially as a "normal user"
[05:38] <kynes> hmm
[05:38] <kynes> I'll look and tell you
[05:38] <enotnert> chicken: i just basically decided to give ubuntu a go, cause my gentoo install started having horrendous X problems, and to be frank, I was way way too lazy to fix
[05:39] <kynes> okay
[05:39] <chicken_man> enotnert, yes ubuntu is good and easy to install (well it's suppost to be)
[05:39] <kynes> I tried the suser but
[05:39] <kynes> no help
[05:39] <kynes> it just gets stuck
[05:40] <enotnert> also, double make sure youve got that ntfs beast mounted as RO
[05:40] <kynes> how can I control ntfs support compile in the kernel?
[05:40] <chicken_man> can some one tell me whats making my KDE desktop crash ?
[05:40] <enotnert> and as s-user, issue "lsmod" on the CLI and check for the ntfs module
[05:41] <kynes> it exists
[05:41] <grumpysmurf> kynes lsmod | grep ntfs
[05:41] <kynes> ntfs            97136 1
[05:41] <kynes> it is
[05:41] <sig> chicken_man: thats kind of a vague question
[05:41] <grumpysmurf> okay, so whats the problem?
[05:42] <chicken_man> sig, ehhhhh
[05:42] <sig> what are you doing to make it crash? Or what app are you opening that makes it crash?
[05:42] <kynes> when I open the mp3 file with Xmms
[05:42] <chicken_man> sig, im not sure it's random \ moveing files \ opening things
[05:42] <kynes> it just crashes when it starts to do anything with the file
[05:42] <occy> snowblink: man, you pimp out that URL don't you?  ;)
[05:42] <kynes> I can add the file but not read
[05:42] <occy> snowblink: no worries, that's what I put it there for.
[05:43] <snowblink> occy, heh it does what it says on the box. ;)
[05:43] <chicken_man> sig, it works fine for a while then just stops and desktop disapere
[05:43] <kynes> /dev/hda1       /media/windows  ntfs    umask=0222      0       0
[05:43] <sig> chicken_man: hmm
[05:43] <kynes> is the /etc/fstab line
[05:43] <kynes> may it be about this?
[05:43] <chicken_man> sig, desktop icons i mean
[05:43] <occy> snowblink: not sure I understood that one...
[05:43] <grumpysmurf> can you read other files on the ntfs filesystem?
[05:43] <sig> chicken_man: #kde
[05:44] <chicken_man> sig, k
[05:44] <zero[] > what's the openoffice path? when i do whereis openoffice i get "openoffice: /usr/bin/openoffice /etc/openoffice /usr/lib/openoffice /usr/share/openoffice.org-debian-files /usr/share/openoffice /usr/share/man/man1/openoffice.1.gz"
[05:45] <snowblink> occy, there is no excess crap on that page. It's about emacs keybindings on Gnome. Perfect. :)
[05:45] <kynes> what's your fstab line?
[05:45] <kynes> please paste
[05:45] <occy> ahhh
[05:45] <kynes> ntfs users I mean
[05:45] <enotnert> fookin a, its locked at apt-configure again
[05:45] <enotnert> 25%
[05:45] <AshyR> hmm.. when I added to fstab for a ntfs partition, I could only see things as root (with sudo), even if I added a umask=0666 or the like
[05:45] <enotnert> is there an "escape to menu" command in the setup anyone knows of?
[05:45] <occy> snowblink: I'm glad it's getting used.  We should start a petition to get the damned thing turned back on as an option.
[05:45] <AshyR> enotnert: it did that to me but only for about 5-10 minutes, then it continued
[05:45] <grumpysmurf> kynes can you read other files on the ntfs filesystem?
[05:46] <kynes> I added umask=0222
[05:46] <occy> snowblink: it's silly we have to edit the config like that.
[05:46] <enotnert> ok ashy, ill let it sit till noonish
[05:46] <kynes> and I can see with the normal user actually
[05:46] <kynes> yes :)
[05:46] <snowblink> occy, you could try submitting it as a bug...
[05:46] <AshyR> enotnert: I have a network card, but the other computer was off, and don't have DSL, just dialup.  at any rate, it did sit on "configuring apt" like that for a little
[05:46] <kynes> I have a very big Jana Cova thumbnail right there!
[05:46] <kynes> :))
[05:47] <usynic> ok, I caught it.  I'm in gentoo right now, and I cannot type ps fax in a terminal.  It just hangs.
[05:47] <grumpysmurf> kynes, can you play mp3 files from other filesystems?  can you copy the mp3 you're trying to play to say, /tmp and play it from there?
[05:47] <thr1ce> ps aux
[05:47] <kynes> I tried .wav
[05:47] <kynes> too
[05:47] <usynic> anyone have any idea what could be wrong?
[05:47] <kynes> I'll try some moe and tell
[05:47] <thr1ce> [drm]  failed to load kernel module "fglrx"
[05:47] <thr1ce> (II) fglrx(0): [drm]  drmOpen failed
[05:47] <thr1ce> (EE) fglrx(0): DRIScreenInit failed!
[05:47] <enotnert> ashy: yeah, it sat like this overnite last nite, i just figured itd unlock eventually. . . so this go round i unplugged any network connection the machine had so it couldnt attempt to download anything
[05:47] <thr1ce> anyone know why I might get that
[05:47] <usynic> er... not gentoo, ubuntu
[05:48] <thr1ce> (WW) fglrx(0): * DRI initialization failed!                  *
[05:48] <thr1ce> (WW) fglrx(0): * (maybe driver kernel module missing or bad)
[05:48] <enotnert> thr1ce, try running with just plain vesa drivers
[05:48] <thr1ce> enotnert, it reverted back to them
[05:49] <thr1ce> i'm trying to get 3D working, but that error comesup
[05:49] <thr1ce> comes up
[05:49] <enotnert> *strokes chin* have you lsmodded to see if that module is up and running, or if its an X only module, if its within the X drivers realm?
[05:49] <enotnert> what kind of card does FGLRX work for?
[05:49] <hawke> enotnert: firegl
[05:49] <usynic> can anyone help here?  This is happening on two machines, so it's not just machine specific.
[05:50] <enotnert> thanks hawke, im not keen on most the drivers these days
[05:50] <hawke> enotnert: and I think some radeon cards
[05:50] <enotnert> thr1ce, is try probing the module and bringing it up manually, kind of like you have to do for nvidia acceleration
[05:53] <Chipparn> does anyone know why the package sun-j2re1.5 isnt found when i try apt-get install sun-j2re1.5? oh and i have added the extra repositiries.
[05:54] <sig> Chipparn: http://ubuntuguide.org
[05:54] <sig> http://ubuntuguide.org/#jre
[05:54] <dockane> there a lot of things to do for me after each ubuntu installation ...(mainly i took the advices from ubuntuguide.org). what would be the best way to save these changes for another install ? save the changed files ? make a bash script ?
[05:55] <Fulg> hey
[05:55] <Chipparn> sig: yep thats what i have been reading..
[05:55] <sig> dockane: none, just do a dist-upgrade
[05:55] <sig> thats what I did
[05:55] <sig> shouldn't overwrite your stuff
[05:55] <Fulg> does anyone have a clue how can i make my x-chat transparent ?
[05:55] <Chipparn> sig: it doesnt work
[05:55] <sig> Fulg: right click: settings > preferences > Text box
[05:56] <Fulg> ok
[05:56] <Fulg> i found :D
[05:56] <Chipparn> sig: coult it be something wrong with the server the package is located on meaby?
[05:56] <sig> Chipparn: does it error out?
[05:56] <sig> the wget part?
[05:56] <Chipparn> sig: the package isnt founf.
[05:56] <chicken_man> brb
[05:56] <sig> yeah
[05:57] <dockane> sig, no you missunderstood me. i.e. i installed the blowfish script for xchat, cahnged a bit in gnome appearance and so on. how do i save this i.e. for another installation of ubuntu on a _different system to load them there
[05:57] <sig> obviously thats the problem
[05:57] <sig> unless you pasted it wrong
[05:57] <TweedleDumb> anyone know how to get the vga-out connection to work on a dual usb ibook?
[05:57] <sig> apt-get install sun-j2re1.5
[05:57] <sig> java -version
[05:58] <sig> sig@idaho:~ $ java -version
[05:58] <sig> java version "1.5.0_01"
[05:58] <sig> Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build 1.5.0_01-b08)
[05:58] <sig> Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 1.5.0_01-b08, mixed mode)
[05:58] <cens0red> sun-j2re is in the standard repositories?
[05:58] <Chipparn> sig: it dosnt work.
[05:58] <cens0red> in sources.list ?
[05:58] <Chipparn> i have added the extra repositories.
[05:59] <enotnert> hmmm, could it be locking due to a perl farkup. . . theres a "perl warning" over in one of the VC's
[05:59] <Fulg> and the userlist ?
[05:59] <Fulg> how do i make the userlist invisible
[05:59] <Fulg> ?
[06:00] <darinlh> Chipparn, ubuntuguide.org install instructions worked for me to get java running
[06:01] <kynes> ok
[06:01] <kynes> I checked
[06:01] <kynes> xmms
[06:01] <enotnert> find out something interesting kynes?
[06:01] <kynes> it just crashes upon trying to play some file
[06:01] <zAo^> how can I save the posistion/size of a QT program?
[06:01] <enotnert> so it plays other off the ntfs volume?
[06:02] <kynes> ntfs has nothing that causes problem
[06:02] <kynes> it's xmms
[06:02] <enotnert> *nod*
[06:02] <kynes> but I can't figure out why it behaves like this
[06:02] <enotnert> xmms can get flitty with somethings
[06:02] <markuman> how to make a link from my /mnt folder (other hdd devices) to desktop?
[06:02] <enotnert> have you tried rhythmbox yet kynes? one of my buddies had to flop to it, and loves it
[06:02] <kynes> I installed it from Synaptic Package Manager
[06:02] <farruinn> TweedleDumb: take a look at what this guy did: http://www.ebrag.de/XF86Config-ibook-dual
[06:03] <SeamusLP> kynes:  Have you chosen esound as the output plugin?
[06:03] <kynes> I'll try but Xmms used to work fine in Slack,Redhat,Mandrake.. etc
[06:03] <kynes> why not ubuntu?
[06:03] <sig> why hasn't ubuntu put out a security update for firefox yet? the latest version is 1.0.3 and Ubuntu is using 1.0.2
[06:03] <sig> and from 1.0.2 > 1.0.3 was a security update
[06:04] <enotnert> kynes, thats the fun of linux, figuring out whats done gone bezerk
[06:04] <farruinn> kynes: what type of file are you trying to play?
[06:04] <SeamusLP> kynes rhythmbox is the "official" player if you will.  You may have to play with an xmms setting to get it to work.
[06:04] <farruinn> kynes: if it's mp3 you'll have to install the xmms plugin, also make sure you have xmms set to use esd
[06:04] <kynes> okay
[06:04] <Absenth> anyone know if dist-uptrade to breezy is avalible yet?
[06:04] <farruinn> I think xmms calls it esound
[06:04] <kynes> who said esound output plugin is the winner here
[06:04] <kynes> :)
[06:04] <kynes> thanks
[06:05] <SeamusLP> kynes:  See?  No prob man.
[06:05] <kynes> why OSS doesn't work?
[06:05] <farruinn> because esd has control of /dev/dsp
[06:05] <farruinn> if you killed esd you could use oss I guess
[06:05] <kynes> okay
[06:05] <darkaudit> habemus papum
[06:05] <SeamusLP> Yeah, esd has exclusive control for some reason.  There is a way to change this, though, and it's not killing esd ;) that's just the dirty way to do it
[06:05] <SeamusLP> You can make esd only run when needed
[06:06] <kynes> how
[06:06] <SeamusLP> It's a configuration file, I'm looking now
[06:06] <WebMaven> Hi folks, I'm trying to get PPTP working, but Synaptic can't find the kernel-patch-mppe package. Any ideas?
[06:06] <farruinn> I think there's also a command that you can run that forces other apps to use esd
[06:07] <farruinn> crimsun may have mentioned it before
[06:07] <WebMaven> http://packages.ubuntu.com/hoary/comm/kernel-patch-mppe
[06:07] <kynes> I need that too
[06:07] <kynes> there is no sound in e.g. chromium
[06:07] <kynes> or other games running from console
[06:08] <kynes> or else
[06:08] <SeamusLP> OK kynes load up a console and do this
[06:08] <WebMaven> Here is what I tried:
[06:08] <SeamusLP> sudo gedit /etc/esound/esd.conf
[06:08] <WebMaven> root@journeyman:/home/webmaven # apt-get install kernel-patch-mppe
[06:08] <WebMaven> Reading package lists... Done
[06:08] <WebMaven> Building dependency tree... Done
[06:08] <WebMaven> Package kernel-patch-mppe is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[06:08] <WebMaven> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[06:08] <WebMaven> is only available from another source
[06:08] <WebMaven> E: Package kernel-patch-mppe has no installation candidate
[06:08] <WebMaven> root@journeyman:/home/webmaven #
[06:08] <farruinn> oi, no flood please
[06:08] <SeamusLP> kynes:  Do you see where it says spawn_options?
[06:09] <kynes> okay
[06:09] <WebMaven> farruinn, 8 lines is a flood?
[06:09] <kynes> yea
[06:09] <kynes> -terminate -nobeeps -as 5
[06:09] <farruinn> you could try sudo apt-get build-dep kernel-patch-mppe ; sudo apt-get source -b kernel-patch-mppe
[06:09] <SeamusLP> try this spawn_options=-terminate -nobeeps -as 2 -d default
[06:09] <snowblink> sig, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24306
[06:09] <grumpysmurf> instead of pasting a bunch of lines into the channel, you can use pastebin.com :)
[06:09] <farruinn> WebMaven: it may be somewhat quiet in here now, but when this place is really hopping it gets extremely annoying
[06:10] <SeamusLP> kynes:  Then you have to save the file and restart your gnome session
[06:10] <WebMaven> OK, what is the threshold considered for flooding?
[06:10] <kynes> okay, doing it
[06:11] <sig> snowblink: thats exactly why I'm asking
[06:11] <Awayken> Hey, has anyone tried putting Ubuntu on a TabletPC?
[06:11] <kynes> can I restart gnome session and not close other programs?
[06:11] <kynes> such as this Irc
[06:11] <SeamusLP> kynes this should mean that you won't have problems with apps that use OSS, however I thik you'll have to stop your music or whatever before you load them
[06:12] <WebMaven> farruinn, grumpysmurf, what is the threshold considered for flooding?
[06:12] <AshyR> as for my modem.. I think I'll try something from linmodems.org instead of the lt_serial/lt_modems that comes with Hoary, someone said that worked for them.
[06:12] <paulproteus> kynes: Quitting GNOME will quit every graphical program running.
[06:12] <SeamusLP> kynes:  Well try this
[06:12] <grumpysmurf> more than two lines ;)
[06:12] <farruinn> WebMaven: a couple lines is tolerable, but as little as possible is best
[06:12] <SeamusLP> kynes:  killall esd
[06:12] <SeamusLP> kynes then type esd&
[06:12] <WebMaven> OK.
[06:12] <grumpysmurf> paste stuff here: http://pastebin.com/ and then provide a link
[06:13] <farruinn> kynes: if you use something like irssi or bitchx you can run those in screen and stay in the channel while you logout
[06:13] <WebMaven> farruinn, can you explain the commands you were suggesting I run with sudo?
[06:13] <grumpysmurf> bah, bitchx goes in one tab in gnome-terminal, then open another tab for running commands, etc.
[06:13] <kynes> I use X-Chat now
[06:13] <farruinn> WebMaven: apt-get build-dep gets the packages necessary to build kernel-patches-mppe from source
[06:13] <kynes> farruinn: but thanks
[06:14] <kynes> Seamus: it didn't work
[06:14] <keffo> anyone knows why my fluxbox takes like 2-3 min before i can see menus etc?
[06:14] <grumpysmurf> ironically, MDI windowing is one of the worst interface ideas ever, but tabbed windows are like, awesome.
[06:14] <farruinn> apt-get source -b downloads the source package and builds it
[06:14] <kynes> Seamus: I mean.. it worked and did make a sound
[06:14] <cspnico> yop
[06:14] <keffo> apt-get install fluxbox <-
[06:14] <SeamusLP> kynes:  What happened?
[06:14] <kynes> Seamus: but when I opened a game, it was the same
[06:14] <SeamusLP> What game?
[06:14] <WebMaven> farruinn, and then I would still need to apt-get install it?
[06:15] <kynes> chromium
[06:15] <WebMaven> or would I need to use dpkg -i ?
[06:15] <farruinn> I think you need to 'sudo dpkg -i' the resultant .dpkg
[06:15] <snowblink> sig, it is interesting that it has not been addressed. Until then, I guess just install it straight from mozilla.
[06:15] <farruinn> it's been a while for me
[06:15] <SeamusLP> try going to system -> preferences -> multimedia systems selector and choosing ESD for your output
[06:15] <WebMaven> farruinn, thank you.
[06:16] <farruinn> WebMaven: out of curiousity, what architecture do you use?
[06:16] <trygvebw> Hi, in which package is the glut.h file?
[06:16] <kynes> it's already defined that way
[06:16] <kynes> Seamus: it's already defined that way
[06:16] <kynes> Seamus: input: OSS output: ESD
[06:17] <WebMaven> farruinn, I use k7
[06:17] <WebMaven> And I'm getting this: E: Unable to find a source package for kernel-patch-mppe
[06:17] <snowblink> sig, maybe I misunderstood their freeze/security policy, but I thought that they would still be security patching programs - firefox in this case
[06:17] <SeamusLP> kynes:  Yeah I just tried it I'm nto getting sound either
[06:18] <kynes> Seamus: so it's partially okay I guess :)
[06:18] <farruinn> WebMaven: have you run apt-get update recently? the package should be available for all archs
[06:18] <kynes> Seamus: if you see someone playing with sound, tell me then
[06:18] <farruinn> WebMaven: it's in universe btw
[06:19] <WebMaven> farruinn, I have the universe repo enabled.
[06:19] <farruinn> :/, that's most puzzling
[06:19] <WebMaven> what does it mean if a package has a page like this: http://packages.ubuntu.com/hoary/comm/kernel-patch-mppe
[06:19] <SeamusLP> kynes:  Nevermind, it's working for me.
[06:19] <WebMaven> but isn't listed here: http://packages.ubuntu.com/hoary/comm/
[06:19] <WebMaven> ?
[06:20] <SeamusLP> kynes:  Do you have more than one soundcard?
[06:20] <djm62>  ^_^
[06:21] <farruinn> WebMaven: I'd ask in #ubuntu-motu, they should know what's going on with it
[06:21] <kynes> Seamus: no, I have an intel on HP nx5000
[06:21] <tolle> As fast as I try to use any of the "Userfriendly Wlan scanners" lite netapp, Network Manager, wifi-radar... my connection stops working.
[06:22] <djm62> allo
[06:22] <tolle> Doesnt the madwifi drivers support the stuff they try to do?
[06:22] <snowblink> I'm a little surprised at the lack of fuss over this matter
[06:22] <khj> Hi guys (and gals). How do I apply a trash applet to my desktop?
[06:22] <farruinn> desktop or panel?
[06:23] <khj> desktop
[06:23] <farruinn> there's a setting in gconf, I can't remember what it is specifically though
[06:23] <WebMaven> OK, thx.
[06:23] <SeamusLP> kynes:  See what happens when you close your music players and attempt to run chromium
[06:23] <Wings> right, nvidia drivers work
[06:23] <farruinn> khj: let me see if I can find it (in Configuration Editor)
[06:23] <Wings> but I can't find the menu editor
[06:23] <Wings> where is it hidden?
[06:24] <farruinn> it's nonexistant, as of yet
[06:24] <khj> farruinn, ok, thanks
[06:24] <SeamusLP> kynes:  also try running chromium from the console and see if you get any errors
[06:24] <Wings> can anyone tell me?
[06:24] <farruinn> Wings: try ubuntuguide.org/#menu-editor
[06:25] <kynes> Seamus: I already tried it this way
[06:25] <khj> Anyone else?
[06:25] <kynes> Seamus: and nothing changed
[06:25] <Wings> thanks farruinn
[06:26] <SeamusLP> kynes:  No error output to the console?
[06:26] <djm62> khj: can you create a shortcut to location "trash:" on the desktop?
[06:27] <kynes> error output for sure.. :)
[06:27] <djm62> khj: not on ubuntu atm so this is speculative
[06:27] <kynes> here it is:
[06:27] <SeamusLP> pm the error to me if it's long
[06:27] <grumpysmurf> there's an icon for 'trash' on the panel...
[06:27] <farruinn> khj: foudn it, open Configuration Editor from the Applications>System menu
[06:27] <snowblink> khj, regedit->/apps/nautilus/desktop
[06:28] <kynes> open /dev/[sound/] dsp: Device or resource busy
[06:28] <Wings> new entry doesn't seem to do anything
[06:28] <kynes> and it says "ATTENTION : ... an error is encountered.. bla bla.. " and "Audio is disabled."
[06:28] <farruinn> khj: then browse to what snowblink just said
[06:28] <SeamusLP> crap, I thought I had you fix that
[06:28] <SeamusLP> looks like esd is still hogging your soundcard
[06:28] <kynes> session restart?
[06:29] <kynes> will it help?
[06:29] <kynes> or reboot?
[06:29] <SeamusLP> Yeah a session restart may help
[06:29] <kynes> okay
[06:29] <kynes> will try now
[06:29] <Dew_> how do i install bzflag
[06:30] <farruinn> enable universe  then apt-get install it
[06:31] <Dew_> farruinn It not have bzflag 2
[06:32] <farruinn> you'll probably have to get it directly from the bzflag website then, but be warned that installing foreign software is not recommended
[06:33] <farruinn> it's usually best to install only with apt
[06:34] <templer> hi all, excuse me, i can't find how to update synaptic pachage(in the previous intallation there was 16000 and now there are only 3000)
[06:34] <bored2k> templer go to a terminal and type sudo apt-get update
[06:34] <templer> thx
[06:35] <djm62> there is a backport of bzflag2...not recommended I think
[06:35] <bored2k> templer synaptic has to be closed btw
[06:35] <CarlK> is there a command line way to add repositories, other than echo "stuff" >> /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:35] <Dew_> farruinn I have debian package but it can not install
[06:35] <bored2k> CarlK you can just edit that file with any text editor like "sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list"
[06:35] <Dew_> farruinn It has problem with dependency
[06:36] <farruinn> can you install the dependencies with apt?
[06:36] <CarlK> bored2k - i want something a script can do
[06:37] <djm62> CarlK: I don't think so...it might be a script worth writing, but I haven't heard of anyone doing it
[06:37] <CarlK> rats - I know apt has gotten pissed when I have the same repository listed twice
[06:38] <djm62> CarlK: uniq might help there?
[06:38] <CarlK> djm62 - yeah, but I don't "need" it right now and I am not borred, so it can wait ;)
[06:40] <Dew_> farruinn It has problem because some package has word "ubuntu" such as "libcurl3_7.12.3-2ubuntu3"
[06:40] <templer> hi all, excuse me, i can't find how to update synaptic pachage(in the previous intallation there was 16000 and now there are only 3000) (apt-get update/upgrade doesn't seem to work..)
[06:40] <SeamusLP> lol it always bothers me when I help someone, then they have to restart their session and I never see them again
[06:40] <abarbaccia> templer, did you edit your apt config to enable the universe?
[06:41] <templer> nope...never heard of it..
[06:41] <farruinn> Dew_: in that case I guess you could do "dpkg -i --force *.dpkg"
[06:41] <CarlK> this chat needs a comand to  "enable the universe" - it would make help easier
[06:41] <digitalwoot> ah hah I love the live cd... I am on a powerbook 12"......
[06:42] <kynes> Seamus: it didn't work
[06:42] <kynes> Seamus: after reboot, it's the same
[06:42] <SeamusLP> kynes: reboot?  All you had to do was logout of gnome ;)
[06:42] <templer> going to check..thx
[06:42] <kynes> yea
[06:42] <kynes> i first did it
[06:42] <kynes> and then reboot
[06:42] <kynes> tried both
[06:42] <abarbaccia> templer, nano /etc/apt/source.list    --  and uncomment the lines for the universe, then apt-get update
[06:42] <qwe> so is everything in ubuntu/pool/main on the cd?
[06:42] <SeamusLP> Are you certain you saved your /etc/esound/esd.conf ?
[06:42] <djm62> CarlK: this chat?
[06:43] <kynes> yes
[06:43] <digitalwoot> anyone have a quick link on a how-to for dummies on getting the ATI drivers to work and enabling them etc.. on ubuntu for amd64
[06:43] <farruinn> digitalwoot: ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDrivers I think
[06:43] <farruinn> there should also be something on ubuntuguide.org
[06:43] <digitalwoot> okay...
[06:43] <farruinn> although I'm not sure it even works for amd64
[06:43] <digitalwoot> I am semi-savvy but am not having much luck...
[06:43] <digitalwoot> I installed them....
[06:44] <SeamusLP> kynes:  Hmm I'm positive I have the same settings as you, yet I can get alsa, esd, and oss existing peacefully
[06:44] <CarlK> djm62 - for things like this: abarbaccia: templer, did you edit your apt config to enable the universe?
[06:44] <digitalwoot> so do I have to manually edit xorg.conf../
[06:44] <SeamusLP> kynes:  When you run chromium you may just have to do killall esd
[06:45] <cens0red> is there an equivelant to kdesu in gnome?
[06:45] <digitalwoot> or can I auto configure something..? bummer is I don't have net at home for the ubuntu box so looking up help while doing it is a pain
[06:45] <farruinn> cens0red: gksudo
[06:45] <kynes> Seamus: it worked man :)
[06:45] <kynes> Seamus: thanks
[06:45] <cens0red> farruinn ty.
[06:45] <CarlK> djm62 - "that" wouldn't really be hellped, but if the answer is "no" then the "how to enable universe" is easier
[06:45] <kynes> what's that esd thing anyway??
[06:45] <kynes> is it good to have
[06:46] <Dew_> farruinn I can use "dpkg -i --force ...deb"
[06:46] <kynes> useful?
[06:46] <digitalwoot> Thanks for the help gtg all
[06:46] <SeamusLP> kynes It's the sound daemon.  Your system sounds go through it.
[06:46] <Dew_> farruinn But now I can install I use " dpkg -i --ignore-depends=libcurl3 bzflag_2.0.2.20050318_i386.deb"
[06:46] <nickrud> kynes, enlightend sound daemon
[06:46] <SeamusLP> kynes also you can configure xmms, totem, just about anything to use it.
[06:46] <kynes> yea I know it
[06:46] <kynes> but OSS and ALSA
[06:46] <kynes> what's the difference between all
[06:47] <farruinn> Dew_: ok, as long as you have ubuntu's libcurl you should be fine I guess
[06:47] <khj> thx snowblink and farruinn, I was just hanging up my laundry, but it worked! Thanks a bunch!
[06:47] <SeamusLP> kynes:  Which is why I don't like using killall esd as a solution.  You'll either have to change everything over to alsa and not have system sounds, or kill it before you want to run a game and then reload it when you're done
[06:47] <khj> A couple of days ago I lost all sound on my system, can anyone help me?
[06:48] <kynes> Seamus: hmm.. I guess I can put up with it..
[06:48] <Fulg> hey anyone has a clue how to minimize beep media player into the systray ?
[06:48] <A-L-P-H-A> hi, I've got a microsoft wireless optical mouse 2.0a, and it's not working well in ubuntu... are there new drivers for this mouse or something?
[06:48] <kynes> gtg now
[06:49] <SeamusLP> kynes by the way, check out the forums for more tips to get sound working.  There's more information there than I could give you.
[06:49] <kynes> thanks for all the help
[06:49] <kynes> ubuntu-forums.com you mean?
[06:49] <SeamusLP> ubuntuforums.org :)
[06:49] <kynes> okay :)
[06:49] <kynes> bye
[06:49] <queuetue> new pope
[06:49] <cyphase> yea
[06:49] <WebMaven> farruinn, no-one in #ubuntu-motu is responding. At all.
[06:49] <farruinn> A-L-P-H-A: gxmms gives you a panel applet
[06:49] <cyphase> rastinger
[06:49] <qwe> queuetue: really?
[06:50] <queuetue> y.
[06:50] <qwe> that was quick
[06:50] <Dew_> farruinn ^ - ^
[06:50] <NigelS> ratzinger, benedict XVI
[06:50] <Fulg> hey anyone has a clue how to minimize beep media player into the systray ?
[06:50] <A-L-P-H-A> farruinn, that gxmms does?
[06:50] <SeamusLP> khj:  What'd you do to lose sound on your system?
[06:50] <cyphase> it was either him or the nigerian
[06:50] <farruinn> A-L-P-H-A: sorry, that was for fulg
[06:50] <farruinn> Fulg: gxmms gives you a panel applet
[06:50] <A-L-P-H-A> farruinn, k, thought it wasn't for me. :)
[06:50] <Fulg> ok
[06:51] <queuetue> cyphase, I can understand them not picking me, but ... they could have at least let me know in person. :)
[06:51] <qwe> lol
[06:51] <khj> SeamunLP, nothing that I know of... I was ripping my CD's using sound juicer.
[06:51] <cyphase> queuetue: i know, it's a shame. not repect these days
[06:51] <cyphase> no*
[06:52] <cyphase> respect*
[06:52] <cyphase> lol
[06:52] <IceEyz> eh.. another boot-issue-case :) -> Ubuntu boots, XP Pro boots, but it gives the error NTLDR is missing, press any key, and then XP succesfully boots. Is that error removable with a -command or is it XP-specific?
[06:52] <SeamusLP> khj:  Have you tried choosing different output plugins in the various sound apps that you use?
[06:52] <djm62> urbi et orbi...that should be the next release announcement
[06:52] <Juhaz> is there a metapackage for installing gnu development toolchain?
[06:52] <djm62> Juhaz: build-essential I think
[06:53] <farruinn> WebMaven: perhaps none of them maintain it, you could post to the ubuntu-users mailing list
[06:53] <farruinn> WebMaven: this defintely seems like a broken package though
[06:53] <sobersabre> bye alll.
[06:54] <WebMaven> farruinn, I mean, I can't even get anyone to say anything. Not even whether the fact that the package isn't listed is sugnificant. Or 'hello'.
[06:54] <khj> SeamusLP, no but it worked fine before... So I thought everything was fine. That is was a more central error, since there suddently was no sound at all...
[06:55] <SeamusLP> khj:  I think it is wise to try the simplest route first
[06:55] <Juhaz> djm62, looks about right, thanks.
[06:55] <Fulg> farruinn, thats not for beep media player
[06:55] <SeamusLP> khj:  Have you restarted your session any since you lost sound?
[06:55] <farruinn> Fulg: in the description it said it was
[06:55] <dockane> how do i reset the scanner modell xsane has detected ?
[06:56] <khj> SeamusLP, Yes I have.
[06:56] <SeamusLP> Open a console and type lsof /dev/dsp
[06:56] <Fulg> so how do i use it ?
[06:56] <farruinn> Fulg: no clue, I just found it on packages.ubuntu.com
[06:56] <khj> SeamusLP, Yes...?
[06:57] <farruinn> Fulg: the doc should be under /usr/share/doc/gxmms
[06:57] <khj> SeamusLP, then what?
[06:57] <SeamusLP> Does it say esd is using /dev/dsp?
[06:58] <khj> SeamusLP, yes.
[06:58] <dockane> i va got an epson perfection 3200 scanner but xsance detects an epson gt 9800. how do i change this ?
[06:59] <SeamusLP> khj:  Are your audio programs set to run using esd as an output plugin?
[06:59] <djm62> Juhaz: might not be all you need...I find apt-get build-depends foobar as useful shortcut
[06:59] <Mestapheles> hello world
[07:00] <djm62> (replacing foobar with the project you're interested in, or a similar one...you don't want to be finding all the dependencies for firefox manually ;))
[07:00] <SeamusLP> khj:  Like in xmms for example, setting preferences -> eSound as the output
[07:00] <khj> SeamusLP, dunno. Im using Music Player. Don't think I have any options...
[07:00] <SeamusLP> khj:  Yeah in rhythmbox it's not an option in the program.  OK try this.  System -> preferences multimedia systems selector
[07:01] <Mestapheles> how does one start a eth0 after one has booted up without ethernet connected? 'ifconfig eth0 up' and ifconfig eth0 do not work.
[07:01] <djm62> Mestapheles: what sort of connection?
[07:01] <A-L-P-H-A> is there a way I can select the type of mouse I'm using?
[07:01] <Ocid> Mestapheles: try ifup eth0
[07:01] <Mestapheles> I have latptop-net installed and hotplug as well as hotplug-net.  an ethernet connect
[07:01] <nickrud> Mestapheles, try ifup eth0
[07:01] <Mestapheles> # ?
[07:02] <Ocid> yeah, sudo ifup eth0
[07:02] <SeamusLP> khj:  You should get an annoying long beep by clicking on test.  Make sure the volume is set to an audible level and attempt to test each output plugin.
[07:02] <khj> SeamusLP, Can't find it. Im using Warty...
[07:02] <Mestapheles> nickrud: thnks that works.
[07:02] <djm62> Mestapheles: you can do it from gnome: System->Administration->Networking also
[07:03] <Mestapheles> sorry don't have gnome, I did a server upgrade from sid, just xfce4
[07:03] <djm62> Mestapheles: :) nice
[07:03] <SeamusLP> khj:  Humm... OK...  Doesn't hoary use polypaudio?
[07:04] <SeamusLP> warty I mean
[07:04] <Mestapheles> but shouldn't hotplug or hotplug-net, or even laptop-net take care of this?  Is something broken on my system?
[07:04] <Mestapheles> or not setup?
[07:05] <khj> SeamusLP, Don't know. I'm new to this world.
[07:05] <chicken_man> join #apachehelp for help with apache
[07:05] <dockane> habemus papam
[07:05] <atr> hi ... my battery status is unknow... how to fix it?
[07:05] <Bazzi> chicken_man enough!
[07:05] <chicken_man> :|
[07:05] <Mestapheles> Yeah it's a nice setup.  I just figured out how to make the sleep work too.
[07:05] <Mestapheles> on this ibook
[07:05] <nickrud> Mestapheles, I have a hotplug stanza in /etc/network/interfaces
[07:05] <Ocid> Mestapheles: do you have 'auto eth0' on your /etc/network/interfaces?
[07:06] <SeamusLP> khj:  Well I wish I had more experience with warty's sound, but let me see what I can come up with
[07:06] <IceEyz> bootquestion: what else to do in grub for making it boot from a sata ntfs partition? rootnoverify, all hds, all partitions, won't boot. MBR of the HD is fine as it will boot without grub.
[07:06] <Mestapheles> Ocid: yes I have an "auto eth0"
[07:06] <khj> SeamusLP, Sorry for being such a pain in the ..
[07:07] <Mestapheles> Ocid: and below that iface eth0 inet dhcp
[07:07] <CarlK> IceEyz - booting from ntfs... are you sure GRUB (not linux) can do that?
[07:07] <SeamusLP> khj:  It's no big thing.  Are you running totem-gstreamer or totem-xine?
[07:08] <khj> SeamusLP, how do I check?
[07:08] <paulproteus> IceEyz: Don't tell it to boot from the partition.  Tell it to boot from the drive.  Wouldn't that be easier?
[07:08] <IceEyz> CarlK, well with GRub, but selecting wrong HD (linux-one) it will boot, but with NTLDR missing, press any key... When pressing a key, it somehow manages to boot XP flawlessly
[07:08] <SeamusLP> khj:  Run totem from the menu, first of all.  Then do help -> about
[07:08] <IceEyz> so just make it rootnoverify (hd0) ?
[07:08] <nickrud> Mestapheles, try adding mapping hotplug  \n script grep \n map eth0 to interfaces, above eth0, and remove auto
[07:08] <CarlK> IceEyz - ah - thats different ;) - I thought you had a linux kernel on ntfs
[07:08] <Ocid> Mestapheles: hmm, i have mapping hotplug | script grep | map eth0 | iface eth0 inet dhcp
[07:09] <qwe> the torrents seem slow today
[07:09] <IceEyz> hehe idd, forgot to mention XP in the sentence :)
[07:09] <khj> SeamusLP, I checked in Synaptic. I have totem-gstreamer installed...
[07:09] <SeamusLP> khj:  Does sound work in totem?
[07:10] <SeamusLP> try loading totem from the console and playing an ogg or mp3 (if you have the plugin)
[07:11] <khj> SeamusLP, isn't totemonly amovie player?
[07:12] <SeamusLP> Nope, it can play the same files rhythmbox can... they both use the gstreamer backend
[07:12] <IceEyz> ..lets see if it helps...
[07:12] <khj> SeamusLP, No sound at all...
[07:13] <SeamusLP> khj looks like there may have been some very, very strange gstreamer failure
[07:14] <templer> excuse me, how can i know whit what command i can launch a certain program?
[07:14] <Fulg> anyone know what could i use to make my laptop buttons work???(volume-wlan);its a compaq m2000
[07:14] <SeamusLP> running rhythmbox or totem from the console and attempting to play an ogg, is there any error?
[07:14] <Scognito> is there a new "unstable" version of ubuntu?
[07:14] <SeamusLP> the error should be output directly to the console
[07:16] <khj> SeamusLP, ok...
[07:16] <seeker> how can I run a script that needs root privliges during boot up?
[07:16] <khj> SeamusLP, How do I do that? I Tried with "totem songfilename.ogg"
[07:17] <SeamusLP> yes that should work
[07:17] <templer> excuse me, how can i know whit what command i can launch a certain program?
[07:17] <camcorder> seeker: put it into /etc/init.d/rcS
[07:17] <camcorder> templer?
[07:17] <SeamusLP> I'd just run the command totem and then go to file-open, it should send error output to the console
[07:17] <deadinplastic> viva il papa! does everyone get a round of free beer afterwards?
[07:17] <templer> because it doesn't always work with the name that there was in synaptic
[07:17] <|iggy|> hy i need help for installing my rage mobility http://sial.org/pbot/9490
[07:18] <khj> SeamusLP, It said "*** attempt to put segment in horiz list twice" four times and didn't load the song...
[07:18] <camcorder> who's the new papa? he's not gay isn't it?
[07:18] <seeker> ok thanks. I'll try that.
[07:18] <SeamusLP> khj:  Whaaa?
[07:18] <\sh> camcorder: it's a german, conservative priest, called Ratzinger
[07:18] <WebMaven> camcorder, it's ratzinger.
[07:18] <SeamusLP> khj:  Try rhythmbox, maybe?
[07:18] <qwe> SeamusLP: that just looks like GTK warnings
[07:18] <\sh> camcorder: so to say, a second dictator in italy now ;)
[07:19] <camcorder> ah, that guy .. say bye to gay bishops then :P
[07:19] <SeamusLP> qwe:  You think so?
[07:19] <qwe> SeamusLP: yeah, from all appearances
[07:19] <qwe> I could be wrong, naturally
[07:19] <WebMaven> camcorder, and preists in SA getting married, and any discussion of birth-control for teens, etc.
[07:19] <kahuna_> Hopefully this pope will actually encourage pressing criminal charges on sexually abusive preists
[07:20] <thr1ce> any way to turn on anti-aliasing for fonts in gnome ?
[07:20] <SeamusLP> qwe:  That'd make it interesting if it happened the instance khj tried to play a file
[07:20] <khj> SeamusLP, With rhythmbox there's no errors. Just no sound...
[07:20] <camcorder>  webmaven: actually i share same opinons about that birth control crap
[07:20] <SeamusLP> khj:  Does it act like it's playing?
[07:20] <SeamusLP> in the software, I mean
[07:21] <camcorder> webmaven: ppl start not to consider sex as an entertainment
[07:21] <erkatta> Somebody can help me?
[07:21] <n3x> i need to install a server (web + mail) , would you recommend Ubuntu or should I stick to Debian ? (I've been using Hoary for only a week now on my laptop)...
[07:22] <camcorder> webmaven: but unfotunately I don't think any papa or any church would change that opinon.
[07:22] <khj> SeamusLP, yeah if I press play it plays, just no sound...
[07:22] <Dew_> erkatta what is tour problem
[07:22] <kahuna_> erkatta, Depends on what you need help with. No, we won't buy you groceries.
[07:22] <qwe> n3x: I'd use debian for that
[07:22] <erkatta> I've some trouble with my Ubuntu installation
[07:22] <qwe> n3x: ubuntu is more of a desktop distro
[07:22] <kahuna_> Ok. That's really specific
[07:22] <A-L-P-H-A> how do I change mouse hardware settings?  The current setting is messed up.
[07:22] <SeamusLP> khj:  Do you have more than one sound card?
[07:22] <camcorder> n3x: what do you want to change distro for that?
[07:22] <qwe> erkatta: could you be a little more vague? egads
[07:22] <erkatta> :)
[07:23] <IIIEars> honestly - I would use a live CD/DVD with any files rolled served rolled into the iso
[07:23] <khj> SeamusLP, no.
[07:23] <khj> SeamusLP, its a laptop.
[07:23] <n3x> that was my impression.. ubuntu @ desktops... thanks
[07:23] <deadinplastic> camcorder:Cardinal Ratzinger
[07:24] <SeamusLP> khj okay, in a console, type alsamixer
[07:24] <] BreliC[> has anyone successfully installed Myth Tv?
[07:24] <erkatta> I installed this distro but during the installation process nobody ask me to enter the root's password but only to create a new Usere account and now I cant access to my system as root!!!
[07:24] <IIIEars> An Ubuntu iso image would be unbeatable and unhackable
[07:24] <qwe> erkatta: sudo passwd root
[07:24] <SeamusLP> khj:  See if the master or PCM is set ot off
[07:24] <khj> SeamusLP, yes.
[07:25] <khj> SeamusLP, It's way up there...
[07:25] <seeker> erkatta - you can always just use sudo
[07:25] <SeamusLP> khj:  Alright so everything is unmuted
[07:25] <Ocid> erkatta: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/root
[07:25] <seeker> the root has been disables on ubuntu on purpose
[07:25] <Dew_> erkatta It is normally of ubuntu
[07:26] <erkatta> thanx to all
[07:26] <khj> SeamusLP, Not the mic or mic boos they're muted.
[07:26] <IIIEars> and the root console/xsession times out after fifiteen mins to add security
[07:26] <erkatta> It the firs time that I install Ubuntu ;-)
[07:26] <IIIEars> erkatta - did it go smoothly?
[07:26] <seeker> does ubuntu have something like v. studio? a complete programing suit?
[07:27] <IIIEars> <<3rd day using Ubuntu
[07:27] <SeamusLP> khj: Should be fine.  By the way, how old is the laptop?  I mean if you didn't change any settings at all, and it just stopped working one day that could be an indication something is dead, or at least loose.
[07:27] <seeker> using gcc etc. is kind of limmiting....
[07:27] <guruff> seeker; what do you want to program in ? for c, c++ you have anjuta or kdevelop
[07:27] <broberts> Eclipse is an aweome free java IDE
[07:27] <nicedreams> I just installed a 2nd cdrom drive that is a DVD drive.  How do I add it to Ubuntu or what do I have to put in the fstab?
[07:27] <Markrian> seeker, check out monodevelop
[07:27] <mipfi_> how can i make an .sfv file for an mp3 with ubuntu ?
[07:27] <chicken_man> seeker , g++
[07:27] <Markrian> seeker, or glade
[07:27] <xcoyote> what special features has ubuntu?
[07:27] <IIIEars> seeker - you will need to synaptic/or apt-get those tools
[07:28] <seeker> I just need c,c++ but I also need powerful debugging tools
[07:28] <khj> SeamusLP, Pretty new. It's about 8 months old. So I hope not... ;)
[07:28] <rt> mmm.  gdb.
[07:28] <chicken_man> seeker , sudo apt-get install g++
[07:28] <erkatta> IIIEars yes
[07:28] <SeamusLP> khj:  Okay, I want to try one more thing
[07:28] <resiak> mipfi_: WTF is a .sfv?
[07:28] <seeker> g++ is just a compiler isn't it? I need a whole graphical suit
[07:29] <SeamusLP> khj:  Install xmms from synaptic or do sudo apt-get install xmms
[07:29] <khj> SeamusLP, I'm with yuo!
[07:29] <chicken_man> seeker , ahh right
[07:29] <xcoyote> what is the main special feature from ubuntu?
[07:29] <mipfi_> .sfv is a checksum file
[07:29] <chicken_man> xcoyote, easy to use \ install
[07:29] <IIIEars> seeker - they are certainly available using apt-get but likely hte Ubuntu devlopers have added a version to synaptic for Ubuntu that will insure a solid flawless install
[07:29] <jk> xcoyote: it gets you sex appeal with the ladies
[07:29] <khj> SeamusLP, I have xmms already...
[07:30] <IceEyz> khj, dont know if youve checked it yet, maybe the laptop has a digital-out as well, check for the Analog/Digital switch in Alsamixer and see if that one helps
[07:30] <guruff> xcoyote; nice babes from   ubuntu-calendar package   ????
[07:30] <Markrian> mipfi_, sudo apt-get install cksfv
[07:30] <Foodcoman> .sfv is a CRC file
[07:30] <SeamusLP> khj:  load it up and go to preferences
[07:30] <Foodcoman> Sorry mipfi I missed yours.
[07:30] <xcoyote> mmmmmmmmmm, what about updating software?
[07:30] <khj> SeamusLP, i'm there...
[07:30] <guruff> xcoyote; doesn't get smother/easier than ubuntu
[07:31] <gr8nash> did anyone find a link to howto update a live cd with automatic printer setup?  or is this possible?
[07:31] <IIIEars> you can use either Synaptic or apt-get to upgrade
[07:31] <SeamusLP> whats the output plugin set to?
[07:31] <chicken_man> xcoyote, yes ubuntu ubuntu ubuntu
[07:31] <xcoyote> mmmmmmmm
[07:31] <Markrian> http://justfuckinggoogleit.com/
[07:31] <IIIEars> lol@Markrian
[07:31] <guruff> IIIEars; or ubuntu update manager, or now you have just like in windows add/remove programs stuff
[07:31] <mipfi_> Markrian: with cksfv i can create .sfv files ?
[07:31] <Markrian> mipfi_, yes.
[07:32] <gr8nash> Markrian,  thanks.. ;)
[07:32] <Markrian> mipfi_, apt-cache show cksfv
[07:32] <gr8nash> your link is dead =)
[07:32] <IIIEars> it is very nice
[07:32] <synd> anyone help me set up my ndiswrapper-utils for my dlink wireless card? I cannot find the HOWTO online.
[07:32] <khj> SeamusLP, OSS driver
[07:32] <Markrian> gr8nash, justfuckinggoogleit.com works for me
[07:32] <gr8nash> lol
[07:33] <xcoyote> another question, why should i have to use ubuntu instead another distribution?
[07:33] <qwe> xcoyote: just because
[07:33] <Markrian> xcoyote, it's a choice you have
[07:33] <lifetech> ubuntu is easy
[07:33] <lifetech> and apt-get rules :D
[07:33] <chicken_man> xcoyote, because ubuntu is sooo damn good
[07:33] <SeamusLP> khj:  Is it possible to click on it and change to alsa or esound?  If you can choose eSound try doing that and playing a song
[07:33] <Amaranth> hey, does anyone wanna tryout my version of the official bittorrent client?
[07:33] <IIIEars> xcoyote - for me it was the way Ubuntu recognized -all- of my hardware during the install
[07:33] <Amaranth> it's the same thing, just with a tray icon
[07:33] <xcoyote> what makes ubuntu so damn good?
[07:34] <chicken_man> ooooooooo
[07:34] <mipfi_> Markrian: i can't create a cksfv file how can i make it ?
[07:34] <mipfi_> Markrian: .sfv file :)
[07:34] <khj> SeamusLP, yes
[07:34] <Levander> If I upgrade to hoary from warty, is it going to upgrade my kernel? Am worried because I'm about to run out of room on the partition the kernel is in, in /boot.
[07:34] <Fulg> ubuntu rules,no question about it
[07:34] <xcoyote> what about recognizing laptops hardware?
[07:34] <chicken_man> xcoyote, Easy to use simple easy to install plenty of help just GET it before i whip your ass
[07:34] <Amaranth> http://dev.realistanew.com/bittorrent_4.0.1ubuntu1_all.deb and you need python-gnome2-extras from universe
[07:34] <] BreliC[> xcoyote, recognizes all mine
[07:34] <qwe> xcoyote: just try it. if you like it, use it, if not, don't
[07:35] <] BreliC[> Amaranth, is that for the gnome-btdownload client?
[07:35] <xcoyote> i know that's the rigth answer
[07:35] <IIIEars> The Live CD was a nice introduction.
[07:35] <Ocid> xcoyote: detected all in this ibm thinkpad
[07:35] <Markrian> xcoyote, download the LiveCD for Ubuntu 5.04. It won't touch your hard drive and will act (mostly) exactly like a fully installed version would
[07:35] <Amaranth> ] BreliC[: It's the offical BitTorrent 4.0.1 client with a tray icon so you can hide it.
[07:35] <xcoyote> i am using a toshiba
[07:35] <seeker> My system has two sound cards, how can I pick one as default? most programs currently go for the unpluged sound card
[07:35] <] BreliC[> Amaranth, ahh nice.. i'll check it out
[07:35] <Amaranth> ] BreliC[: The official one is much better than gnome-btdownload
[07:35] <no0tic> no more updates since hoary released, it's normal?
[07:35] <thr1ce> breezy is niiiiice
[07:35] <lifetech> xcoyote it'll prollu detect everything
[07:35] <scott> how do I change the language for the system (or my user)?
[07:35] <lifetech> prolly*
[07:35] <kelbin> i've download this version of ubuntu - (ubuntu-5.04-install-i386.iso - 06-Apr-2005 22:31 587M) but i cant seem to select proxy for apt-get update during installation. i tried to search the forums but they were saying to download a array version 7 or something? my setup is stuck at the "Testing network repository" ... any ideas on which version or from where i should download ubuntu from?
[07:36] <Amaranth> no0tic: Yes, hoary is stable. Stable means it doesn't change.
[07:36] <Markrian> no0tic, yes, 'released' means that it's frozen, apart for security updates
[07:36] <templer> excuse me, how can i know with what command i can launch a certain program?
[07:36] <templer> excuse me, how can i know with what command i can launch a certain program?
[07:36] <khj> SeamusLP, It won't play at all with alsa selected but it plays with esound. But still no sound...
[07:36] <templer> excuse me, how can i know with what command i can launch a certain program?
[07:36] <templer> excuse me..
[07:36] <Markrian> TEMPLER
[07:36] <templer> because it doesn't always work with the name that there was in synaptic
[07:36] <lifetech> templer: alt + f2 <name of program>
[07:36] <xcoyote> i am worry about updating software, i do not know if it easy to update or it is difficult
[07:36] <SeamusLP> khj:  Go to a console and type killall esd.  Then try playing it with alsa.
[07:36] <Markrian> Don't repeat yourself!
[07:36] <Amaranth> templer: Example?
[07:36] <no0tic> Markrian: No security updates? Firefox & OO.o released security patches in these days
[07:37] <no0tic> Markrian: I know release is frozen
[07:37] <Amaranth> no0tic: Then I'm sure they'll be working on backporting the fixes after their short break.
[07:37] <Markrian> no0tic, no, I mean that security updates DO get in, but nothing else does
[07:37] <templer> mldonkey-guy
[07:37] <chicken_man> xcoyote, very easy to update
[07:37] <zhukov_> Hello
[07:37] <IIIEars> no)tic - There will as i understand it be additional security upgrades.
[07:37] <A-L-P-H-A> what's the wizzard to run for Xorg?
[07:37] <nickrud> seeker, add the module you dont
[07:37] <Amaranth> no0tic: They'll never have something called Firefox 1.0.3 in hoary, but they might have their version with security fixes.
[07:37] <zhukov_> Need help please...i cant install mplayer! :S
[07:37] <no0tic> Markrian: ok, thanks, I was wondering if I had any problem in my repositories
[07:37] <nickrud> want to /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[07:38] <no0tic> Amaranth: ok
[07:38] <khj> SeamusLP, Now it plays the file with alsa, but still no sound...
[07:38] <IIIEars> The Developers are preparing for the next Selinux vers.
[07:38] <Markrian> no0tic, you might want to enable the hoary-updates branch in your repositories list
[07:38] <Ocid> A-L-P-H-A: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[07:38] <templer> Amaranth: mldonkey-guy
[07:38] <seeker> err, module I don't want? what does that mean?
[07:38] <Levander> Once I've installed a new kernel, how do I remove the old kernel package?
[07:38] <Amaranth> IIIEars: Err, where did you hear that? Ubuntu Hardended is a seperate thing.
[07:38] <Amaranth> templer: ok, let me see
[07:38] <templer> thx
[07:39] <flipy> is there any program to mount an iso file under gnome?
[07:39] <xcoyote> chiken_man:   sorry i am asking to much, but how does ubuntu makes easy to update software. it has a special tool for it a command line interface. how is it?
[07:39] <SeamusLP> khj:  Man I'm stumped.  After all that the only thing I can think of now is a driver issue, or a hardware issue
[07:39] <nickrud> seeker, there's a software module for each of your sound cards
[07:39] <seeker> flipy I think mount does that
[07:39] <IIIEars> ah - (sheepish grin) - I could easily be mistaken.
[07:39] <nickrud> you want to disable one of them
[07:39] <Amaranth> templer: I don't even have that package available. You must be using extra repositories.
[07:39] <elektrolyytti> hmm i have 700 mb iso image and i want to burn it on 650 mb cd, is there any tool i can edit the files and remove everything i dont need and burn without losing the boot of the cd?
[07:39] <chicken_man> xcoyote, synaptic package manger and apt-get
[07:39] <Markrian> flipy, no need to mount it - file-roller can open .iso images
[07:40] <Anubis> flipy, yes, many I can't think of one , mount maybe?
[07:40] <khj> SeamusLP, I installed KDE a while ago and uninstalled it again. Could it have happened then?
[07:40] <mipfi_> i can't create a .sfv file how can i make it ?
[07:40] <SeamusLP> khj:  No that couldn't have caused the problem
[07:40] <Markrian> elektrolyytti, that's far more difficult than just getting a 700MB CD, I'm sure
[07:40] <resiak> mipfi_: WTF is an .sfv file?
[07:40] <Ocid> flipy: http://ubuntuguide.org/#mountunmountisofilewithoutburning
[07:40] <nickrud> seeker, if you do lsmod | grep snd you might recognize it
[07:40] <flipy> but is there something easiest to do? I'd like daemon-tools under windows... so I'll like to have something similar, if it exists
[07:40] <] BreliC[> flipy, I typed in 'linux iso mount' in google, and it was the first hit  http://www.linuxhelp.net/isos/
[07:40] <Markrian> mipfi_, man cksfv
[07:40] <flipy> ok thanks dudes
[07:40] <flipy> can't live with that channel :P
[07:41] <Ocid> ;)
[07:41] <Markrian> Once again... http://justfuckinggoogleit.com
[07:41] <] BreliC[> flipy, well, google helps too
[07:41] <khj> SeamusLP, Ok, thanks for all the help anyway. I learn a lot about my system this way. :D
[07:41] <elektrolyytti> Markrian: hmm.. ok.. ill then extract the files and use without boot :S
[07:41] <gr8nash> Markrian,  you relize that there isnt a pile of info on google for taht
[07:41] <flipy> ok, I'll do it
[07:41] <gr8nash> to answer his question you need to edit the ISO directly
[07:41] <SeamusLP> khj:  Yeah it's good to learn about this type of stuff.  If I were in your situation now I would try a hoary livecd and see if sound works
[07:42] <gr8nash> remaster knoppix is what comes up 90% of it
[07:42] <Markrian> gr8nash, I wasn't referring to the iso dilemma, but even then...
[07:42] <] BreliC[> any canadians here?
[07:42] <danwolf> Ocid: you around?
[07:42] <Ocid> danwolf: yep
[07:42] <templer> Amaranth:does it change something?
[07:42] <gr8nash> "Currently you need to do this by modifying the CD image, but we are working
[07:42] <] BreliC[> i've searched for canadian LUGs but most sites are either defunct or reporting bad links to local LUGs... has linux left Canada??
[07:42] <gr8nash> on some tools to automate the process of creating such a CD"
[07:43] <danwolf> Ocid: I opened my computer with it running and notices that the fan on my vid card wasn't running
[07:43] <mipfi_> markrian: i don't know ;( how it works ;(
[07:43] <synd> how do i have ndiswrapper load up during boot?
[07:43] <Amaranth> templer: It means I can't help you because I have no idea what that repository is or how they do things.
[07:43] <Ocid> danwolf: yep, the prob sounded like overheating
[07:43] <danwolf> Ocid: I gave it a little tap and it started running, but it sounds a little funny
[07:43] <Ocid> buy a new fan
[07:43] <danwolf> Ocid: maybe it was just stuck
[07:43] <danwolf> Ocid: can you buy just a fan for the vid card?
[07:43] <Ocid> if it sounds funny then you should buy a new one
[07:43] <nicedreams> anyone tried getting a keyspan remote working in Ubuntu?
[07:43] <xcoyote> ubuntu dist has been compiled already or do you have to configure your own kernel?
[07:44] <Ocid> danwolf: sure there are some fans also for gfx cards
[07:44] <danwolf> hmm
[07:44] <thr1ce> hm...anyone running breezy ?
[07:44] <Ocid>  ask them for your local dealers
[07:44] <\sh> thr1ce: in a chroot
[07:45] <thread> .wn
[07:45] <thread> oops
[07:45] <danwolf> Ocid: I will just see if maybe the fan was stuck
[07:45] <thr1ce> \sh, why not on your machine ?
[07:45] <danwolf> Ocid: I would rather wait on it heh
[07:45] <\sh> thr1ce: it's not ready to run productive on my laptop :)
[07:45] <danwolf> Ocid: I am broke right now
[07:45] <Ocid> danwolf: but if it sounds funnym then it will stuck again very soon
[07:45] <thr1ce> runs fine here
[07:45] <danwolf> Ocid: NOW!! If I can get my optical drives working
[07:46] <Ocid> danwolf: you should be able to get new one for less than 20EUR
[07:46] <danwolf> Ocid: you dont think that would have incorporated into my HAL problem would ya?
[07:46] <danwolf> well, I will look around
[07:46] <Ocid> what prob is that?
[07:46] <danwolf> I live in USA
[07:46] <danwolf> so its dollars
[07:46] <danwolf> heh
[07:46] <Ocid> ok, less than USD25 then ;)
[07:46] <danwolf> Ocid: when I log into gnome occasionally I will get a failed to initialize hal error
[07:47] <templer> does anyone know how can i find the launch name of a program that i have downloaded from extra repositories?
[07:47] <danwolf> Ocid: It hands the gnome login, but I can get gnome up if I kill dbus-daemon-1
[07:47] <danwolf> Ocid: I removed my optical drives, and I no longer get the error
[07:47] <Ocid> danwolf: don't have any clue about that, sry
[07:47] <danwolf> I think it is just my DVD too
[07:47] <danwolf> Ocid: its cool
[07:48] <thr1ce> how can I clear my cached stuff from apt ?
[07:48] <Ocid> but now it's time for a smoke, brb
[07:48] <danwolf> I will plug them back in now that I realize my fan was shot, and see if maybe it was bleeding over to that somehow
[07:48] <resiak> thr1ce: apt-get clean
[07:48] <danwolf> I doubt it though seriously
[07:49] <thr1ce> what's purge used for then ?
[07:50] <chpts> Hi I'm very interested in moving from RH9 to ubuntu, also I'm kinda of a newbie so I would like to know a few tips for moving on
[07:50] <Foodcoman> chpts: http://www.ubuntuguide.org
[07:50] <chpts> thyanks
[07:51] <Foodcoman> chpts: Lots of tips.
[07:51] <Amaranth> ] BreliC[: did you try it?
[07:52] <Dew_> http://www.ubuntuguide.org is very good site
[07:52] <A-L-P-H-A> anyoen running a wireless optical mouse from microsoft on ubutu?  I can't get the buttons (the normal buttons) to work properly.
[07:53] <IIIEars> 500+ people in the room. - There must be something to this Ubuntu thing. - eh?  (grin)
[07:53] <chpts> yup, the fact that got me Is the minimal installation
[07:53] <mdke> has anyone used mondarchive on Ubuntu Hoary? I'm interested in any reliability reports
[07:53] <chpts> just one disk is pretty impressive
[07:53] <Amaranth> IIIEars: Nah, 520 of them are bots I dropped here so it'd look big. ;)
[07:54] <Amaranth> IIIEars: For instance, crimsun and alindeman.
[07:54] <trentone> hmmm, finally got up and running, anyone have a clue about sound workings in ubuntu?
[07:54] <trentone> modules loaded, but no sound. . . nothing at all
[07:54] <nickrud> seeker: sorry :) I haven't done any programming needing a debugger for about 20 years.
[07:54] <IIIEars> lol - even i know crimsun is a bot - lol
[07:54] <seeker> trenttone I had the same problem
[07:54] <seeker> check to see which sound card is selected
[07:54] <trentone> seeker: how did you go about fixing it
[07:55] <trentone> only one card in machine, and its the correct modules for the card
[07:55] <IIIEars> a nice guy - very grateful to him/her
[07:55] <seeker> click on the mic icon on the upper corner
[07:55] <seeker> and go to prefrences
[07:55] <Ocid> danwolf: http://www.compusa.com/products/products.asp?N=200369+4294966596&Ne=303148
[07:55] <seeker> try changing the options there
[07:56] <trentone> wait, i think i know what the problem is, now to figure out how to turn that off
[07:56] <trentone> its a "digital/analog" card, i have analog speakers. . .
[07:57] <dbrodie> I have a quick question I am hoping someone can answer. Will ubuntu be updating to the 1.0.3 firefox with the security fixes?
[07:58] <trentone> any clue how to do that seeker?
[07:58] <Ocid> trentone: disable IEC-928 or something
[07:59] <trentone> Ocid: where would i find that to turn it off, if you dont mind me sounding like an idiot
[07:59] <markuman> how can i link my mounted fat32 disk from /mnt on desktop?
[08:00] <nickrud> markuman, if it's mounted on /mnt, open nautilus to / and right-drag mnt to your desktop, and say make a link
[08:00] <mdke> has anyone used mondarchive on Ubuntu Hoary? I'm interested in any reliability reports
[08:01] <dbrodie> markuman: open up the computer icon and just drag the icon to the desktop
[08:01] <nickrud> I like dbrodies better :)
[08:02] <Ocid> trentone: only way i know is thru kmix
[08:02] <dbrodie> also, anybody know if ubuntu is going to update hoary to gnome 2.10.1?
[08:03] <Ocid> trentone: and it's IEC958 output
[08:03] <Seveas> dbrodie, only if it is a security update
[08:04] <nickrud> trentone, you can find it in alsamixer
[08:04] <darkaudit> dbrodie: I certainly hope so... there's a huge bug with file-roller and others that's just been fixed...
[08:04] <dbrodie> Seveas: Ah ok, thanks. Do you also know about firefox 1.0.3?
[08:04] <Seveas> same thing
[08:05] <Fulg> ubuntu uses grub;but where`s grub.conf ?
[08:05] <darkaudit> Seveas: so a functionality bug that's not security-related may be ignored?
[08:05] <micsch> moin
[08:05] <Seveas> darkaudit, indeed
[08:05] <trentone> ok, got it working
[08:05] <trentone> just had to figure out how to turn digital out off
[08:05] <dbrodie> Seveas: I mean firefox 1.0.3 with some serious security fixes has been released and its not in ubuntu yet
[08:05] <Dew_> Fulg maybe it use menu.lst
[08:06] <dbrodie> Fulg: yup its menu.lst
[08:06] <darkaudit> so broke will stay broke? :(
[08:06] <Seveas> dbrodie, when has it been released?
[08:06] <Seveas> darkaudit, if it is a serious bug, it might get updated
[08:06] <Seveas> but functionality bugs usually do not qualify...
[08:06] <Fulg> i have to edit it or is there any thing that autoconfigures it ?
[08:07] <Seveas> Fulg, it will be autoconfigured after every kernel install
[08:07] <Seveas> all kernels installed by apt-get will be in there
[08:07] <darkaudit> Seveas: it's marked as pending upload in bugzilla... big bug with choosing folders in file-roller and others... it's actually a gtk bug
[08:07] <Fulg> but i`ve compiled a kernel without apt-get
[08:08] <Fulg> how do in do the grub`thing?
[08:08] <Seveas> darkaudit, in Ubuntu bugzilla? If that is so, it will be updated
[08:08] <darkaudit> Fulg: but did you install with dpkg -i?
[08:08] <Fulg> nope
[08:08] <darkaudit> Seveas: in Ubuntu bugzilla :)
[08:08] <dbrodie> Seveas: I believe it was sometime last week.
[08:08] <Seveas> darkaudit, then just wait :)
[08:08] <Fulg> make;make modules;make modules_install;make install
[08:08] <dbrodie> darkaudit: I do hope they fix that bug it is very annoying, do you have a bugzilla number?
[08:08] <Amaranth> dbrodie: Firefox is a hard one to patch and some of the devs are on a mini-vacation so it'll be a little while.
[08:08] <Seveas> dbrodie, is it in bugzilla laready? if not -> file a bug if it is truly a security update
[08:09] <darkaudit> db... yep... I filed it :)
[08:09] <Amaranth> bug #?
[08:09] <Amaranth> if it's what i think it is i'd be happy to see it fixed
[08:09] <dbrodie> darkaudit: yeah, id like to look at it in bugzilla as well
[08:09] <darkaudit> http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6615
[08:09] <Fulg> so ?
[08:09] <Dew_> Fulg you can copy old config
[08:09] <Fulg> how do i install it ?
[08:10] <Amaranth> darkaudit: Yep, that's the one.
[08:10] <dbrodie> Fulg: you gonna probbaly have to add it yourself.
[08:10] <nickrud> Fulg, edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[08:10] <Amaranth> darkaudit: It's a PITA. :)
[08:10] <darkaudit> Amaranth: pos up in sound-juicer too...
[08:10] <Dew_> Fulg /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.10-5-386 root=/dev/hda5 vga=791 ro quiet splash << like this
[08:11] <dbrodie> darkaudit: thanks, I bookmarked it :P
[08:11] <Fulg> i got vmlinuz-2.6.11.7
[08:12] <Fulg> but
[08:12] <dbrodie> Amaranth: thanks, looking foreward for the nwe firefox. Its just that the security problems are VERY serious
[08:12] <Fulg> i dont have initrd for this one
[08:12] <nickrud> Fulg, then don't put it in :)
[08:12] <Fulg> it will work without it ?
[08:13] <nickrud> Fulg, as long as the modules for your motherboard and disks are compiled into the kernel, not modules
[08:13] <] BreliC[> dbrodie, could you not just install the new firefox yourself?  over the old one in /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox ?
[08:14] <] BreliC[> essentially, that's what it does anyway, just replaces files
[08:15] <dbrodie> ] BreliC[: Well, first, whats the point of having all of apt etc... if I am not going to use it? ;) second, its not for me, I use epiphany  and the vulnerability is greatly reduced there (no chrome) if at all, its for a friend of mine using ubuntu
[08:16] <] BreliC[> dbrodie, true, but he needs it that badly, it's just as easy to install it yourself... apt-get can't do everything ;)
[08:16] <Jeezis> i mounted my ntfs partition in ubuntu sucessfully, but now when i try to access a folder called 'my downloads' it only reads the folder name as 'my'
[08:16] <Jeezis> so i cant get into it
[08:16] <dbrodie> ] BreliC[: Some will disagree ;) but thanks for the suggestions, I'll pass it on.
[08:17] <] BreliC[> dbrodie, i *could* use apt-get to install mplayer, but it doesn't do a good job (at least not for my tastes) so i still prefer to compile that one from source
[08:17] <Jeezis> is there a way to get ubuntu to access folders with spaces in the name?
[08:17] <holysmokes> Jeezis, what was your mount command?
[08:17] <] BreliC[> Jeezis, i think the escape character is \
[08:18] <Jeezis> 'sudo mount /dev/sda1'
[08:18] <Jeezis> escape character?
[08:18] <] BreliC[> from the command line, if you're trying to access a folder with a space in the name, you use \ to escape it, or wrap the whole path with "
[08:18] <dbrodie> Jeezis: type mount on the console and just paste here the line with /dev/sda1 in it
[08:18] <] BreliC[> so "Path to my folder"
[08:19] <Fulg> so i made it
[08:19] <Fulg> but it comes with an error
[08:19] <Jeezis> dbrodie: nevermind, i got it to work
[08:19] <Jeezis> thanks for the help though
[08:19] <stelt> is firefox default browser on ubuntu?
[08:19] <CarlK> or mount \path<tab> andlet bash do it
[08:20] <UbuntU> UBUNTU IZ THE BEST
[08:20] <Fulg> Kernel panic - not syncing:VFS:unable to mount root fs on unknown block (0,0).
[08:20] <seeker> I have a genius usb webcam. gnome meeting doesn't recognize it. how can this be fixed?
[08:20] <holysmokes> ubuntu would be completely awesome if i could make the internet install work like debian's
[08:20] <] BreliC[> seeker, did you search the web for linux and that camera model?
[08:21] <holycow> holysmokes, what do you mean, it IS debians d-i? it's exactly the same no?
[08:21] <seeker> no0tic, I checked the manufacturer site
[08:22] <holysmokes> holycow, one would assume so, but i'm experiencing different results... keeps telling me that "no valid mirror was configured" when i get to installing the base system
[08:22] <] BreliC[> seeker, what's the model number?
[08:22] <Fulg> Kernel panic - not syncing:VFS:unable to mount root fs on unknown block (0,0).
[08:22] <Fulg> what sould i do ?
[08:22] <Fulg> help!
[08:22] <holycow> holysmokes, did you make sure you set your ip manually? your dhcp server is not working and so it can't config a repository?
[08:22] <nickrud> Fulg, I'm not a grub expert, but what do you have listed as root?  (mine is hd1,1)
[08:22] <seeker> videocam web
[08:23] <CarlK> holycow - it isn't exactly the same
[08:23] <Fulg> (hd0,1)
[08:23] <holysmokes> holycow, i suppose it could be timing out or something along those lines, although it's definitely working for the rest of the network
[08:23] <Fulg> like the other kernel that works
[08:23] <seeker> i did try to follow this guide : http://www.linux.com/howtos/Webcam-HOWTO/hardware.shtml
[08:23] <CarlK> holysmokes - hit Alt-F4 (or 3?) and you should see the wget command it is trying to do
[08:23] <nickrud> and root=/dev/hda1 after the kernel name?
[08:23] <seeker> but I lost it pretty soon
[08:24] <] BreliC[> seeker, looks like you'll need this driver http://zc0302.sourceforge.net/zc0302.php?page=cams
[08:24] <CarlK> er
[08:24] <cyphase> hey everyone, i have a question. this game is telling me to "Press Any Key", but i can't find it anywhere
[08:24] <cyphase> ;)
[08:24] <bit0> i'm looking for a fast ubuntu fast mirror, any help please?
[08:24] <CarlK> holycow smokes, smoked pork.. whatever - hit Alt-F4 (or 3?) and you should see the wget command it is trying to do
[08:24] <CarlK> bit0 - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/LocalNetInstall ;)
[08:25] <March-RX8> helo
[08:25] <] BreliC[> seeker, or this one
[08:25] <] BreliC[> http://alpha.dyndns.org/ov511/
[08:25] <holysmokes> carlk - yeah, it doesn't even make an attempt most of the time.. i got it to work once by yanking the cd at a certain point in the install, but i can't get it to work again
[08:25] <nickrud> Fulg, typo:  root=/dev/hda2 after the kernel name
[08:26] <holysmokes> carlk, maybe i should elaborate.. i have an older thinkpad that i'm trying to install hoary on.. it has a built-in cd-rom, but it's dodgy and while i can boot from the cd i can't do the entire install from disc because it bombs out trying to unpack libc6
[08:27] <slappy16> thats typically the second disk
[08:27] <bit0> CarlK, i only wish to download ubuntu-live-cd iso....
[08:27] <slappy16> whoops..i need to scroll
[08:27] <CarlK> holysmokes - then you really need http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/LocalNetInstall
[08:27] <seeker> hmm I don't think thats the correct model - I have a videocam web, not express
[08:29] <holysmokes> carlk, i've read that document, but i don't need to netboot the machine.. the cd boots it just fine and i've been able to complete the install over the net once, but most of the time it simply cries about the cd once i get to installing the base
[08:29] <] BreliC[> i think the first site i sent you has the correct model
[08:29] <Fulg> title           Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.11.7
[08:29] <Fulg> root            (hd0,1)
[08:29] <Fulg> kernel          /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.11.7 root=/dev/hda2 ro quiet splash
[08:29] <Fulg> savedefault
[08:29] <Fulg> boot
[08:29] <Fulg> right ?
[08:29] <March-RX8> could someone help me in changing boot sequence?
[08:29] <CarlK> holysmokes - if it is crying about the CD, then use an install that doesn't need the CD ;)
[08:29] <Fulg> this gives me : Kernel panic - not syncing:VFS:unable to mount root fs on unknown block (0,0).
[08:29] <hmmm22> hallo zusammen
[08:30] <zero[] > hey, i just installed open office 1.9, and it doens't have the dictionary files for spell checking. anybody know where i can get them?
[08:30] <digitalwoot> hello all
[08:30] <holysmokes> carlk, well, i don't have the resources here to bother with floppies for one thing, but it seems like this should be trivial as it is in debian
[08:30] <CarlK> holysmokes - I stopped burning cd's about 2 months ago
[08:30] <nickrud> Fulg, that's what I'd write
[08:30] <hmmm22> does somebody know a better opensource webShop than OSCommerce
[08:30] <CarlK> holysmokes - box doesn't have a "boot from net" option?
[08:30] <Fulg> so where could be the problem ..
[08:31] <holysmokes> carlk, it does, but it's an old ibm bios that will only speak token-ring ;)
[08:31] <Fulg> maybe the kernel config .
[08:31] <Fulg> hmm
[08:31] <nickrud> but I also spent about 2 hours getting sid, warty & hoary booting
[08:31] <Fulg> strange
[08:31] <nickrud> kernel is most likely
[08:31] <CarlK> holysmokes - wow!
[08:31] <digitalwoot> should I be using 32-bit instead of 64 for the reason that I have an ati card
[08:31] <digitalwoot> I cannot get 3d acceleration working for the life of me.. :-\
[08:32] <nickrud> lilo is king
[08:32] <nickrud> cause I know it :)
[08:32] <slappy16> grub rules all!
[08:32] <slappy16> because i dont have to run it
[08:32] <slappy16> :)
[08:32] <Rydekull> umm, no?
[08:32] <March-RX8> how can i configure grub?
[08:32] <slappy16> 'e'
[08:32] <Rydekull> apt-get install lilo :)
[08:32] <slappy16> on the grub page, 'e'
[08:33] <CarlK> holysmokes - well, the Ehthernet net boot floppy is pretty easy, and that won't change so once you make it it may be the last boot flop you need for that box (nic really)
[08:33] <digitalwoot> any one in here happen to be using 64... or more importantly have an ati card..?
[08:33] <osh> Woah! Ubuntu is sweet! :-)
[08:33] <slappy16> then its command line
[08:33] <holysmokes> slappy16, i like grub just fine for single OS machines, but i've had some serious woes with grub on a winxp dual-boot...
[08:33] <osh> digitalwoot: I am.
[08:33] <digitalwoot> ah
[08:33] <slappy16> hey, does this look familiar.. 'L' 'LI' 'LIL' .. the "FSD()#@*$)(#@*$)(#@*$!!!"
[08:33] <Pluk> :D lol
[08:33] <holysmokes> carlk, do you happen to know if it supports pcmcia?
[08:33] <slappy16> ;)
[08:33] <CarlK> holysmokes - or if you are extra nuts, figure out how to make grub boot from the net (says it can, but I couldn't figure out how)
[08:33] <nickrud> slappy16, not for a loong time
[08:33] <osh> digitalwoot: And I'm on a radeon card.
[08:34] <CarlK> holysmokes - pcmica is the one thing it doesnt do :(
[08:34] <nickrud> but many :)
[08:34] <holysmokes> carlk, doh!
[08:34] <slappy16> lol..ya, me neither,
[08:34] <slappy16> only if you screw up you see that
[08:34] <slappy16> but i just kept forgetting to run lilo
[08:34] <slappy16> then again, i never reboot now
[08:34] <nickrud> :)
[08:34] <CarlK> holysmokes - so the is a laptop with tokenring?
[08:34] <slappy16> ohhh! tokenring!? no way
[08:34] <|iggy|> http://sial.org/pbot/9490 does anybody can help me please with this failure while compile for my ati rage
[08:34] <osh> What package do I have to get to be able to see my music mpegs (vids) again?
[08:34] <holysmokes> carlk, well, do you happen to have a link to the "installation manual" that the install splash refers to? the ubuntu site seems a bit spartan when it comes to official documentation at this point...
[08:34] <slappy16> you're lucky, tokenring
[08:35] <digitalwoot> and you've had luck with it eh..? I have amd64 3000 and an ati aiw 9800
[08:35] <osh> digitalwoot: Everything seems to work here except sound and video...
[08:35] <CarlK> holysmokes - no clue - I know nothing about splash stuff and have the same fun trying to find things like "installation manual"
[08:36] <digitalwoot> you have 3d  accel and a high res - refresh rates..?
[08:36] <holysmokes> carlk, alright.. thanks anyway :)
[08:36] <hmmm22> where do i get these cool wallpapers of Ubuntu
[08:36] <nickrud> hmmm22, ubuntu-artwork-$(month)
[08:36] <digitalwoot> did you have to manually edit the xorg.conf file
[08:37] <digitalwoot> with the fglrx or whatever in place of ati
[08:37] <digitalwoot> and if so do you add a "module" for fglrx....
[08:37] <digitalwoot> forgive my noobness lol ;-)
[08:37] <hmmm22> nickrud could I get it with apt-get
[08:37] <dash> hello! I am using OOo 2 and having some font oddness
[08:37] <dash> or rather
[08:38] <dash> when i start it from the gnome menu, it looks fine, but when it gets launched from the opening of an .sxw file or whatever, it doesn't load the gtk bits
[08:38] <nickrud> absolutely, search in synaptic
[08:38] <dash> anybody know which thingy i need to edit to fix this? :)
[08:38] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[08:39] <da_bon_bon> how does ubuntu use grepmap to speed up hotplug ? can i use it on other distros ?
[08:39] <hmmm22> when i install the artwork package. It install only these normal brown wallpapers.
[08:39] <holysmokes> anyone have any salient thoughts on the merits of ext3 versus reiserfs?
[08:40] <CarlK> reiserfs sounds new and improved ;)
[08:40] <osh> My media player sais it can't decode an mpeg stream. That can't be right. Do I need some extra libs or something?
[08:40] <nickrud> hmmm22, sorry, ubuntu-calendar :)
[08:41] <hmmm22> osh i would install the totem-xine. then it should work
[08:41] <hmmm22> ah ok
[08:41] <osh> totem-xine it is. thanks for the hint.
[08:41] <holysmokes> carlk, yeah, i've been using reiserfs for years now (with slackware).. just wondering whether there's cause to balk at ubuntu's ext3 default or not
[08:42] <digitalwoot> osh: remember you are 64bit...
[08:42] <kent> holycow, Dont  :)
[08:42] <da_bon_bon> how does ubuntu use grepmap to speed up hotplug ? can i use it on other distros ?
[08:42] <Zugot> 64 bit linux isn't exactly prime time yet
[08:42] <b2s> Zugot: works for me
[08:42] <CarlK> holysmokes - from what I hear, ext3 is more stable
[08:42] <Zugot> i have a much experience running ia32 linux on my laptop
[08:43] <Zugot> b2s: it works, but it isn't primetime yet...
[08:43] <osh> zugot: noted. totem-xine doesn't seem to exist for 64 yet...
[08:43] <hawke> Zugot: Howso?
[08:43] <Zugot> i still have apps that don't work under amd64
[08:43] <b2s> osh yes it does
[08:43] <b2s> I'm running it right now :)
[08:43] <Zugot> my vpn software
[08:43] <hawke> Zugot: The only thing I've missed is flash
[08:43] <flodine> can someone tell me why fluxbox dont look right under ubuntu
[08:43] <Zugot> if it doesn't work... i can't work from... and i hate they office
[08:43] <holysmokes> carlk, i had some problems with it, but this was during it's very early days.. don't really have any recent first-hand experience to judge one way or the other
[08:43] <osh> b2s: it does? do I have to add something to apt to find it?
[08:44] <Pluk> most apps that dont work on 64bit work in a 32bit chroot
[08:44] <holysmokes> wish this cd worked so i could just let it rip! worked great on my desktop.. oh well, back to work..
[08:44] <b2s> osh: it might be in universe...
[08:44] <hawke> Zugot: which vpn software is that?
[08:44] <Zugot> not to say that in a year, amd64 linux should be great...
[08:44] <Zugot> hawke: cisco
[08:44] <] BreliC[> hawke, these apps don't work on amd64 at all?  not even in 32bit mode?
[08:44] <b2s> Zugot: what sort of vpn software is it?
[08:44] <hawke> Zugot: have you tried vpnc for Linux?
[08:44] <] BreliC[> i thought amd64 was supposed to switch between 32 and 64 as needed...
[08:44] <Zugot> hawke: vpnc doesn't work in 64bit linux
[08:45] <Zugot> hawke: i'm running vpnc right now
[08:45] <osh> b2s: Sorry. I don't know what "universe" is. Can you give a link so I can read up on it?
[08:45] <b2s> is there any way to tell what repository an installed package has come from?
[08:45] <Bazzi> ] BreliC[ the cpu can
[08:45] <shekhar> could someone help me with editing my sources.list?
[08:45] <] BreliC[> Bazzi, ahh, gotcha.  but the apps can't?
[08:45] <hawke> Zugot: I never got it working in 32-bit, so...
[08:45] <shekhar> i want to install http://packages.debian.org/unstable/science/gpx2shp
[08:45] <b2s> osh: it is a configuration option in synaptic, or you can edit sources.list
[08:45] <Zugot> i just got vmware 5 on friday.... vmware 4 didn't work at all for me in 64bit mode
[08:45] <Bazzi> ] BreliC[ the kernel/OS cannot
[08:45] <Bazzi> or so it seems
[08:46] <nekohayo> hi, any way to force downgrade everything with apt-get?
[08:46] <b2s> Bazzi: only kernel modules are affected.  The linux kernel itself has no problems running 32 bit apps at the same time as 64 bit ones
[08:46] <osh> b2s: Thanks. Amazing what a little info can do.
[08:47] <nickrud> b2s, grep-dctrl
[08:47] <seeker> I just installed some programs using synaptic but they were not added to the application menu. how can I find them? (and how can I add them to the menu?)
[08:47] <delire> anyone here with a laptop running acpi? have a favour to ask.
[08:47] <usynic> delire: yeah
[08:47] <b2s> osh: yep :) so far I've only found one avi that doesn't play under amd64... I assume I just need some other codec, but I can play divx, wmv, mov, dvd, etc
[08:47] <timmow> is it possible to downgrade my xorg video driver to the old one from xfree86?
[08:48] <flodine> anyone running fluxbox and working right
[08:48] <Zugot> my next laptop is going to be a pentium...
[08:48] <delire> usynic: thanks. i'm writing a little app and need check we have the same output. can you 'cat -n /proc/acpi/battery/BAT0/state | grep remain'?
[08:48] <Zugot> thinkpad t42
[08:48] <Pluk> got that one Zugot
[08:48] <usynic> delire: ack -hrmm.  let me get it out of my backpack.
[08:48] <Pluk> its awesome
[08:48] <da_bon_bon> how does ubuntu use grepmap to speed up hotplug ? can i use it on other distros ?
[08:48] <Zugot> i need 1600x1200 resolution...
[08:48] <delire> usynic: hey don't worry about it ;)
[08:48] <chefkoch-2002> how do i install wine on amd64 arch?
[08:48] <usynic> delire: too late.
[08:48] <chefkoch-2002> cant find in repos...
[08:49] <Pluk> chefkoch-2002, in a 32bit chroot
[08:49] <b2s> chefkoch-2002: I believe you need to set up a 32bit chroot to run wine
[08:49] <delire> usynic: cheers..
[08:49] <beggar> how can i change the name of items in "Computer" in gnome?
[08:49] <Pluk> chefkoch-2002, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24575 for chroot howto
[08:49] <osh> b2s: Since you're so good at this. Do you happen to know what package to install to get the sound to work too?
[08:49] <seeker> anyone?
[08:50] <seeker> I just installed some programs using synaptic but they were not added to the application menu. how can I find them? (and how can I add them to the menu?)
[08:50] <chefkoch-2002> thx
[08:50] <b2s> osh: sound for what?
[08:50] <nekohayo> seeker, why not ALT-F2 and run them directly?
[08:50] <nekohayo> it has autocompletion
[08:50] <chefkoch-2002> next problem is: fluxbox does not update menue entries...
[08:50] <nickrud> seeker: dpkg -L <packagename> | bin will give you a start
[08:50] <xukun> delire, that command doesnt do much for me
[08:50] <synic|w> [synic@manetheren ~] $ cat -n /proc/acpi/battery/BAT0/state | grep remain
[08:50] <synic|w>      5  remaining capacity:      39530 mWh
[08:50] <synic|w> delire
[08:51] <osh> b2s, I have no sound at all.
[08:51] <delire> synic|w : great news. cheers
[08:51] <b2s> osh: :/ sound worked out of the box for me.  what sort of sound card do you have?
[08:51] <synic|w> delire: need anything else before I put it away?
[08:51] <delire> synic|w : can you 'uname -r'?
[08:51] <synic|w> 2.6.10-5-686
[08:51] <delire> synic|w : and also the model of your laptop
[08:51] <nickrud> www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GnomeMenuEditingHowTo
[08:52] <kent> da_bon_bon, not being an expert on the subject my self, I would recomend to look for grepmap in the init-scripts and see what it does.. and if it looks like it can be reproduced in a simple way on other distros..
[08:52] <synic|w> delire: thinkpad t23
[08:52] <delire> synic|w : ok, great. i really appreciate that.
[08:52] <synic|w> np
[08:52] <seeker> nickrud,  i get " bin: command not found
[08:52] <nickrud> seeker: dpkg -L <packagename> | grep bin :)
[08:53] <delire> that will make alot of output ;)
[08:53] <da_bon_bon> kent: oh, i dont have ubuntu hoary ATM. waiting for the cds :)
[08:53] <nicedreams> how and where can I change or make it so with my joypad that the analong and directional buttons do the same thing?
[08:53] <seeker> ok, I'll try that
[08:53] <osh> b2s, audigy2. thought perhaps the alsamixer might help but it hasn't so far. I can hear the speakers "tap" when alsa is started but once logged in I have no sound.
[08:53] <seeker> thnks
[08:53] <delire> da_bon_bon: do you know how long canonical takes to ship them btw?
[08:54] <Moof> can ubuntu boot off a logical partiion on a PC?
[08:54] <LycoN> Help: Fatal: First sector of /dev/hda1 doesn't have a valid boot signature
[08:54] <azad> hi.. is it possible (and maybe somehow easy) to make a nfts partition smaller under linux and make the other space free to add it to and ext3 partition?
[08:54] <da_bon_bon> delire: no idea. i am india. i got my warty cds on december 29 , and i had ordered before warty was relased :) your point being ?
[08:54] <b2s> osh: and it seems during boot that the audigy2 is detected?  I'd expect that to work in amd64...
[08:54] <timmow> azad: I did it using knoppix and qtparted
[08:54] <delire> azad ntfs is an arse but it is resizeable.
[08:54] <LycoN> Help: Fatal: First sector of /dev/hda1 doesn't have a valid boot signature
[08:54] <timmow> azad: I would back up everything first thoug
[08:54] <carlitos> hey, anyone uses mono?
[08:55] <delire> da_bon_bon: i have just ordered some, have no idea of the latency to expect.
[08:55] <azad> everything including non-ntfs things too, timmow?
[08:55] <|QuaD-> carlitos: i do
[08:55] <da_bon_bon> delire: hmm.. i think i will get mine june start
[08:55] <cavediver> Is it hard to make a 32 bit chroot of firefox, i'm tired of not having java and flash ?!
[08:55] <delire> LycoN: hmm, that can be a problem. is this after install?
[08:55] <LycoN> yes
[08:55] <LycoN> h/o
[08:55] <timmow> azad: well just your data on the partition you are resizing
[08:55] <delire> LycoN: first boot?
[08:55] <Azgalor> HI
[08:55] <Azgalor> hey guiz
[08:55] <azad> okay
[08:55] <Pluk> cavediver, just follow these steps http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24575
[08:55] <LycoN> nrh
[08:55] <LycoN> neg
[08:55] <wezzer> is there any text-based browsers with javascript support?
[08:55] <timmow> azad: although you can never be too careful :)
[08:55] <Azgalor> can u vote for me plz
[08:56] <Azgalor> * You were kicked from #debian by caphuso (caphuso)
[08:56] <Azgalor> -
[08:56] <LycoN> this is while trying to run liloconfig
[08:56] <b2s> osh: have you checked all the tabs in alsamixer?  It seems that it should work OK
[08:56] <Azgalor> oops
[08:56] <Azgalor> http://l2.hopzone.net/vote.php?site=441
[08:56] <Azgalor> plz
[08:56] <Azgalor> =)
[08:56] <resiak> Azgalor: Piss off here too.
[08:56] <Azgalor> mdr
[08:56] <delire> LycoN: try running lilo first perhaps? why not grub BTW?
[08:56] <da_bon_bon> anyway, bye all. cya later. i need to go sleep :) zzzZZZZ
[08:56] <Azgalor> :resiak :  i love u too =)
[08:56] <carlitos> im trying to make this class work:
[08:56] <carlitos> public class MyPixbuf:Pixbuf{
[08:56] <carlitos>  public MyPixbuf(string zz): base(zz){
[08:56] <carlitos>   Console.WriteLine("Hello!"+zz);}
[08:56] <carlitos> }
[08:56] <carlitos> when i do:  new MyPixbuf("a.png");   i get the folowing
[08:56] <carlitos> Unhandled Exception: System.InvalidOperationException: Can't override this .
[08:56] <azad> thanks timmow
[08:56] <carlitos> in <0x0004e> Gdk.Pixbuf:.ctor (string)
[08:56] <carlitos> how do i fix this?
[08:56] <whiteknight> anyone running the latest update of breezy?
[08:56] <LycoN> grub doesnt see my second harddrive so i decided to use lilo
[08:56] <jeanmi_> hi
[08:57] <Azgalor> VOTE PLZ
[08:57] <Azgalor> http://l2.hopzone.net/vote.php?site=441
[08:57] <b2s> osh: in particular, it seems "Audigy Analog/Digital Output Jack" might need to be disabled.
[08:57] <Azgalor> http://l2.hopzone.net/vote.php?site=441
[08:57] <Azgalor> http://l2.hopzone.net/vote.php?site=441
[08:57] <Azgalor> http://l2.hopzone.net/vote.php?site=441
[08:57] <jeanmi_> a friend of mine has ubuntu 5.04 installed on his machine and I can loads of play/sox processes running without being able to explain why
[08:57] <Azgalor> u should kik me
[08:57] <Azgalor> or ban me
[08:57] <xukun> timmow, what is wrong with your drivers?
[08:57] <jeanmi_> because of that he seems to not be able to listen to sounds from the system
[08:57] <Azgalor> ur tolerant
[08:57] <Azgalor> cool
[08:57] <LycoN> shit i think it worked
[08:57] <b2s> hey Azgalor.  I was really hoping you'd be more annoying.  Think that is possible?
[08:57] <jeanmi_> is there any know bugs about this ?
[08:57] <delire> can someone kick that troll?
[08:57] <cavediver> Pluk: seems nice, but i don't have the /etc/dchroot.conf you shold edit in step1 ?
[08:57] <Azgalor> but ill flood =)
[08:57] <LycoN> i had them switched
[08:57] <timmow> xukun: tv out support dissappeared
[08:57] <LycoN> thanks guys
[08:58] <Eno_> quick question: is the amd64 port of ubuntu have amd64 stuff in universe (ie. k3b)?
[08:58] <SachaS> someone from UK?, please priv msg. me. have a question about UK holiday governement rules. thanks.
[08:58] <azad> agh.. timmow, i can't click resize in right-click menu
[08:58] <Azgalor> everything is possible
[08:58] <da_bon_bon> Azgalor: u r lucky theres no op ATM
[08:58] <Azgalor> HIHI
[08:58] <Azgalor> cool
[08:58] <osh> b2s, analog output jack is disabled. what am I looking for in dmesg? is audigy tagged as something else perhaps?
[08:58] <b2s> Eno_: yes, there is stuff in universe
[08:58] <Pluk> cavediver, step 1 says first sudo apt-get install dchroot debootstrap
[08:58] <delire> whois Azgalor
[08:58] <xukun> timmow, cant help you with that, sorry
[08:58] <delire> .. i wonder
[08:58] <timmow> azad: did you run qtparted in root mode? also make sure the disk is not mounted!
[08:58] <Azgalor> http://l2.hopzone.net/vote.php?site=441
[08:59] <Azgalor> http://l2.hopzone.net/vote.php?site=441
[08:59] <Pluk> that shoudl give you /etc/dchroot.conf
[08:59] <Azgalor> http://l2.hopzone.net/vote.php?site=441
[08:59] <Azgalor> http://l2.hopzone.net/vote.php?site=441
[08:59] <Azgalor> http://l2.hopzone.net/vote.php?site=441
[08:59] <Azgalor> http://l2.hopzone.net/vote.php?site=441
[08:59] <Azgalor> http://l2.hopzone.net/vote.php?site=441
[08:59] <osh> b2s, "all tabs in alsamixer". That's quite a lot... ;-)
[08:59] <Moof> hi. can ubuntu boot off a logical partition?
[08:59] <azad> oh
[08:59] <delire> there is no op here?
[08:59] <cavediver> Pluk: ahh :)
[08:59] <delire> Moof: yes.
[08:59] <Moof> delire: ta
[08:59] <timmow> xukun: thats fine it was a long shot anyway
[08:59] <b2s> osh: heh, that's just what I've heard.  I don't have an audigy2, as this is an amd64 laptop
[08:59] <azad> timmow: but sudo's enough?
[08:59] <timmow> azad: should be
[09:00] <timmow> azad: are you doing this in ubuntu, or knoppix?
[09:00] <azad> ubuntu
[09:00] <azad> and i get an error
[09:00] <azad> Error: Filesystem was not cleanly unmounted!  You should e2fsck.  Modifying an unclean filesystem could cause severe corruption.
[09:00] <azad> No Implementation: Support for opening ntfs file systems is not implemented yet.
[09:00] <Edgan> osh: with mine there is a mixer setting that toggles analog/digital
[09:01] <Edgan> osh: lately it has been defaulting to digital, but I use analog
[09:01] <beggar> how can i download something in the gnome cvs?
[09:01] <timmow> azad: Ubuntu does not have the ntfs tools installed by default.  Knoppix does, which is why i used that.  You also cannot use qtparted on the a drive that is mounted.  what happens if you type mount in a terminal?
[09:02] <jeanmi_> I can see loads of sox processes running
[09:02] <LycoN> Ok lilo.conf is good
[09:02] <LycoN> now
[09:02] <azad> timmow: shows anything what's mounted
[09:02] <jeanmi_> that seem to have been exectuted by amsn
[09:02] <LycoN> it still wont boot xp
[09:02] <jeanmi_> and got stuck because the sound resource were not available
[09:02] <nickrud> beggar, http://developer.gnome.org/tools/cvs.html
[09:03] <jeanmi_> is there anything I can do about that ?
[09:03] <Pluk> LycoN, did you rerun lilo after editing lilo.conf?
[09:03] <timmow> azad: sorry just checking :)
[09:03] <beggar> tks nickrud
[09:03] <LycoN> yes
[09:03] <LycoN> it worked
[09:03] <LycoN> it just wont boot xp
[09:03] <LycoN> which is on hdb1
[09:03] <nickrud> beggar, unless you're good, use jhbuild :)
[09:04] <LycoN> that is wat it says in lilo.conf
[09:04] <timmow> azad: So if the drive you are using is not mounted, you need to install the ntfs support from synaptic.  Then try qtparted again.
[09:04] <delire> LycoN: check the line pointing to it in /etc/lilo.conf
[09:04] <SachaS> someone from UK?, please priv msg. me. have a question about UK holiday governement rules. thanks.
[09:04] <azad> timmow: how to? what support is that?
[09:04] <delire> LycoN: 'fdisk -l' to check
[09:05] <storixrich> is /dev on /.dev related to udev?
[09:05] <delire> jeanmi_: you want to kill the sox processes? if so 'killall sox'
[09:05] <nickrud> storixrich, yes, .dev is the old MAKEDEV on, dev is udev
[09:06] <timmow> azad: I think the package is ntfstools.  sudo apt-get ntfstools
[09:06] <] BreliC[> jeanmi_, and if that doesn't work, 'killall smelly sox'
[09:06] <jeanmi_> delire no I want to figure out how come they get stuck
[09:06] <timmow> azad: I am going to have to go now.  Good luck, hope someone else can help if that does not work.
[09:06] <azad> install :)
[09:06] <azad> thanks a lot
[09:06] <azad> have a nice day then!
[09:06] <delire> jeanmi_: is this when you first login?
[09:06] <timmow> bye
[09:06] <osh> Edgan, b2s: I've managed to get some sound out of the box now. Unfortunatly not from the mpeg. But atleast I get an "error sound" when the app crashes... ;-)
[09:07] <delire> azad: congrats ;)
[09:07] <osh> Thank's for your time. I'll have to research this another time.
[09:07] <azad> delire?
[09:07] <delire> azad: i thought you solved your problem.. nm
[09:08] <dbrouwer> okay, HOW do i get rythmbox to play mp3's? i installed gstreamer etc, still wont play mp3
[09:08] <azad> delire: ahh, well part of it maybe, thanks ;)
[09:08] <b0ol> can someone tell me how to configure my black logitech keyboard with all it's multimedia features pls?
[09:08] <onno> how do I make a link to a directory ln ../this/dir ./
[09:08] <nickrud> dbrouwer, gstreamer0.8-mad in universe
[09:08] <onno> ???
[09:08] <delire> dbrouwer: there's a checklist on the ubuntu wiki i believe.
[09:09] <delire> onno ln -s origindir symlink
[09:09] <storixrich> why does a df show the entire contents of my / filesystem for both my / partition and /dev?
[09:09] <dbrouwer> okay, i am new to ubuntu, how do i get something in universe again? i need to edit a file right? which one, could you quickly point te how
[09:09] <osh> OUCH! It didn't like .avi's at all. It sounded like "cat /dev/random | /dev/dsp"  :-(
[09:09] <AstralJava> dbrouwer: /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:09] <beggar> nckrud i just want to download the cvs version (and the only) of gnome-menu-editor
[09:09] <osh> dbrouwer: Or check "synaptic" options.
[09:09] <beggar> *nickrud
[09:10] <b0ol> hello?
[09:10] <delire> osh: odd. can you play wave files?
[09:10] <goonie> hello all.. I got a new problem for you guys
[09:10] <nickrud> beggar, you have proper access now?
[09:10] <delire> b0ol: what's up
[09:10] <b0ol> hi
[09:10] <b0ol> :)
[09:10] <dbrouwer> i'd rather mess with the file
[09:10] <b0ol> erm... i have a black keyboard from logitech
[09:10] <goonie> I upgraded to Hoary and immediately on the first boot I got an error similar to this one: ipw2200: Fatal error
[09:10] <goonie> ipw2200: Start IPW Error Log Dump:
[09:10] <goonie> ipw2200: Status: 0x000000C0, Config: 00000142
[09:10] <goonie> ipw2200: Start IPW Event Log Dump:
[09:10] <b0ol> it has several multimedia featueres but only 2-3 work :(
[09:11] <b0ol> (volume as example)
[09:11] <delire> goonie: that's your wifi card
[09:11] <b0ol> switching the track is not possible :<
[09:11] <dbrouwer> is this what i need to do: deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security main restricted universe   ?
[09:11] <beggar> nickrud yes
[09:11] <delire> goonie: and a useful error to the intel team. i'd join #ipw2100 (also an ipw2200 channel) and let them know. i'd say it's firmware related.
[09:11] <delire> goonie: can you actually log in?
[09:12] <Lyco1> how do u send a carriage on netcat?
[09:12] <goonie> delire~ I know this.. now this error comes up most of the time but not always... the card works when i start x
[09:12] <nickrud> beggar, check out jhbuild, set it up, the jhbuild gnome-system-monitor, it should do all the work for you
[09:12] <jeanmi_> there must be a program that uses the sounds resources and thus forbids other progs to use them but I can't find which one
[09:12] <nicedreams> how do I make ubuntu make my joypad analong and digital buttons work the same direction like up,down,left,right?
[09:12] <nickrud> *then
[09:12] <beggar> ok
[09:12] <jeanmi_> is there anything common with gnome that does that ? (I dont know gnoem at all)
[09:12] <delire> b0ol: multimedia keys can be tricky b0ol. i would search on http://google.com/linux for the name of your keyboard +"multimedia keys". sorry i can't help more
[09:12] <b0ol> hmmm okay no problem :)
[09:12] <beggar> where can i find it?
[09:13] <b0ol> cause i have many further questions ;)
[09:13] <b0ol> hehehe :D
[09:13] <goonie> delire~ the card worked great in warty and works fine in windows on the same machine (dual boot)
[09:13] <delire> goonie: ok good. i would grab the newest driver from ipw2200.sf.net and install
[09:13] <nickrud> it's in gnome cvs :)
[09:13] <goonie> delire~ I'll try that :)
[09:13] <goonie> delire~ thx
[09:13] <delire> goonie: as i say, i think it's a firmware issue. check in #ipw2100. i have the same card. regardless if it's intermittently doing it the Intel guys would like to hear from you there.
[09:14] <osh> delire: Hang on. I'll see if I can find one. I think so though. The "system sounds" are wav's I think.
[09:15] <delire> osh: yep try that first.
[09:15] <markuman> where are the .deb packages whitch has apt-get installed?
[09:15] <nico_> Hi ... I dont see gaim as upgradable on my hoary. I have gaim 1.1.4 whereas the last version is 1.2.1  Is it because 1.2.1 is not yet on my sources (ubuntu and marillat) ? Is the only solution to add a backport source ?
[09:15] <markuman> in whitch folder?
[09:15] <delire> goonie: remember to uninstall your previous drivers first. join that channel for help if required.
[09:15] <nickrud> markuman, /var/cache/apt/archives
[09:15] <markuman> thx
[09:16] <goonie> delire~ I will thx
[09:16] <delire> np
[09:16] <Jeezis> how do i make kaffeine the default media player as opposed to the one ubuntu sets as default?
[09:16] <pantz> can i ask people to paste in their output from this command please?? ...  mount|head -1
[09:16] <pantz> rootfs on / type rootfs (rw)
[09:17] <nico_> pantz, /dev/hda8 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro)
[09:17] <delire> pantz: why that will be different on every machine: anyway "/dev/hda1 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro)"
[09:17] <dbrouwer> AstralJava, osh, thanks. it's working fine now!
[09:17] <pantz> delire, well why do i have type rootfs? is what i am trying to determine
[09:18] <delire> pantz: weird.. is this a fresh install?
[09:18] <pantz> i am having big problems with mtab
[09:18] <pantz> well fresh enough - 2 days
[09:18] <osh> delire: nope. dead silent. I'll have to go now anyway but thanks for your help.
[09:18] <AstralJava> dbrouwer: Np. :)
[09:18] <dbrouwer> AstralJave, you been using ubuntu long?
[09:19] <pantz> delire, this is what i have in fstab - /dev/hda5       /               ext3    defaults        0       1
[09:19] <bwlang> i need to delete every 3rd file in a directory (they're named like this 00001.out 0000n.out)  what's the easiest way to do that?
[09:19] <AstralJava> dbrouwer: For a little while, a few months maybe.
[09:19] <dbrouwer> i just installed it few dayus ago, i must say, i really like it. I am a gentoo user, which i like, i messed up my system bad, no time right now (exams and all) so quickly wanted to try out ubuntu, it is pretty nice
[09:20] <AstralJava> dbrouwer: Yes, it's got everything I needed and wanted. No turning back now. :)
[09:20] <delire> pantz: and you can boot that?
[09:20] <dbrouwer> okay, now that i got my music to work, i'm gonna quickly get back to study
[09:20] <dbrouwer> lol, bye, thanks again
[09:20] <OFF> hi all
[09:21] <slappy16> bwlang: er..python? perl?
[09:21] <pantz> delire,  yeah i am in it right now
[09:21] <ztonzy> delire, evening :)
[09:21] <slappy16> i know the ranger method in python would do it
[09:21] <GrayThunder> any plans for a tv5250 package for ubuntu?
[09:21] <OFF> i just installed splashy (usplash c++ port) .. but now i want to install it on another distro (damnsmalllinux) .. but i need a static version of splashy.. how could i do that??
[09:21] <delire> pantz: that's perfectly fine.. mine looks like "/dev/hda1       /               ext3    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       1"
[09:21] <GrayThunder> tn5250
[09:21] <nickrud> pantz, that has something to do with ramdisks, pantz, what's your second mount line look like
[09:22] <delire> ztonzy: hola
[09:22] <pantz> but when i try to mount anything else i get this error - mount: can't open /etc/mtab for writing: Input/output error
[09:22] <pantz> nickrud, /dev2/root2 on / type ext3 (rw)
[09:22] <holysmokes> carlk, success! i believe i have it figured out.. dhcp was timing out intermittently.. also, you must choose 'expert' or 'server-expert' as your target so that you are prompted to configure the mirror to install from.. and the cd should not be removed until you get to 'Install Base System'
[09:23] <zero[] > can i have my default account log in automatically? without entering user name and pw
[09:23] <ztonzy> delire, back to metacity
[09:23] <nickrud> pantz, you have some kind of abstraction layer going on, which I don't know much about :)
[09:23] <pantz> nickrud, yippee!
[09:23] <OFF> pls help
[09:24] <delire> OFF: ldd /path/to/splashy/binary to see the dependencies. collect all those dependencies into one place and rebuild with new ./configure --prefix=.. tar it up and distribute. that what you mean?
[09:24] <delire> ztonzy: hehe ok
[09:24] <pantz> nickrud, how would i have got into this mess - i just added a couple of smbfs mounts to fstab and after a couple of reboots i started getting the mtab error
[09:24] <djm62> zero[] : gdmsetup
[09:24] <pantz> nickrud, what is being abstracted?
[09:25] <delire> pantz: i thought rootfs was largely used for network booting et al. never really had to deal with it. is this a fresh install?
[09:25] <zero[] > djm62: thanks
[09:25] <nickrud> pantz, over my head, try googling the second line, it may give you some pointers
[09:25] <djm62> zero[] : System->Administration->Login Screen Setup
[09:25] <pantz> delire, well fresh from 2 days ago - and a little bit of customization
[09:25] <pantz> nickrud, thanks
[09:26] <OFF> delire, yes exactly but my problem is i just have to update (and destabilze) my whole system..
[09:26] <delire> pantz: i'd jump into #samba and see if there's any interface between samba and these weird rootfs remounts you're experiencing.
[09:27] <karl> hi there, I want to run beagle under hoary, what is the easiest way to upgrade mono?
[09:27] <zero[] > djm62: i got it with gdm setup already =)
[09:27] <jlopes> quit
[09:27] <jeanmi_> when esd is running I can listen to mp3 with rythmbox, I can hear the sound when gnome starts. BUT realplayer wont work and I can;t hear the sounds from amsn. If I kill esd, then it';s the exact contrary
[09:27] <Juhaz> does hoary have any non-utf8 locales?
[09:28] <pantz> delire, i'm gonna comment out every other mount in fstab and reboot - see if i can find the culprit ... thanks for your help
[09:28] <brrrt> hello all :)
[09:28] <goldfish> hi
[09:28] <delire> OFF sorry, a bit lost. if your shipping a statically compiled project the only thing the runtime site needs is the same architecture (other specific hardware dependencies aside).
[09:28] <brrrt> could anyone give me a hint howto grab movies from my webcam ?
[09:29] <brrrt> e.g. with xawtv i only get a wav file and lots of images :(
[09:30] <UbunDoc> Anyone know how to change the localhost name? such as username@ubuntu:~$
[09:30] <UbunDoc> the display in your shell
[09:30] <Fulg> Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(3,3)
[09:30] <OFF> delire, its isnt my project, its splashy (EX-usplash), i mean the new bootsplash-project for ubuntu..
[09:30] <Fulg> what can i do?
[09:30] <brrrt> UbuntuDocsudo hostname whatever ?
[09:30] <djm62> brrrt: camorama ?
[09:31] <UbunDoc> hmm might work
[09:31] <UbunDoc> lemme check
[09:31] <ryanblack> does the majority of the people here think that despite the fact that I have an amd64 processor... I should install 32bit ubuntu...? I have 64 installed now and cannot seem to get the ATI drivers working..
[09:31] <delire> OFF: ahah.. hmm. i would grab the source with 'apt-get source <splash-package>' and then take it over to your other damnsmallinux and compile it there.
[09:31] <flodine> anyone running gmp
[09:31] <Fulg> what can i do?
[09:31] <Fulg> what can i do?
[09:31] <Fulg> Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(3,3)
[09:31] <erkatta> Anyone know a good wireless manager for gnome?
[09:32] <UbunDoc> brrrt: that command is keeping my terminals from opening
[09:32] <OFF> delire, i cant compile it there.. as i just have the minimum of all..
[09:32] <brrrt> djm62: thx, i'll try :)
[09:32] <nickrud> Fulg, http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0412.2/1068.html
[09:32] <djm62> erkatta: network-admin can do wireless stuff
[09:33] <djm62> erkatta: other than that...not that I know of
[09:33] <ryanblack> this is probably a dumb question... but all the apps that can be called from the terminal... all the debian stuff... like the package configure app... can I list those..?
[09:33] <delire> OFF: i would see if it's worthwhile first. ldd the binary now and see if it's more than damnsmallinux has in it's own suite of libraries.
[09:34] <seeker> thanks guys! I now have sound enables with everything and I have network support on boot up!
[09:34] <Choubaka> ryanblack: tap tab twice. :p
[09:34] <delire> digitalwoot: all the aps? tab tab
[09:34] <djm62> ryanblack: erm...you can list the contents of /usr/bin /bin /usr/local/bin
[09:34] <erkatta> thank you djm62 but I alrady configure my wireless interface "ath0" with network-admin but I can't ping my router....
[09:34] <delparnel> Hey, how can I get Audacity to record a skype conversation.... Either that or can anyone suggest a recording program that will do it?
[09:35] <Fulg> there`s nothing there!!!!!
[09:35] <digitalwoot> I could just echo those into a file I guess..
[09:35] <digitalwoot> or simply hit tab twice..?
[09:35] <digitalwoot> :-D
[09:35] <digitalwoot> cool
[09:35] <delire> Fulg: is this after a fresh install?
[09:35] <djm62> digitalwoot: there are quite a few...
[09:35] <delire> digitalwoot: yep.
[09:35] <jonh> how can i put more univers on my depositorio
[09:35] <OFF> delire, it is more then what dsl has..
[09:35] <digitalwoot> I am having a problem getting an ATI AIW 9800 working with their drivers..
[09:35] <Fulg> nope
[09:35] <Fulg> after installing a new kernel
[09:35] <delire> djm62: a notable amount. more than 'several'
[09:36] <digitalwoot> I installed everything it needed to compile... ran the make.... bing done..
[09:36] <Fulg> the new kernel isnt working
[09:36] <delire> Fulg: you probably don't have filesystem support.
[09:36] <digitalwoot> do I need to manually edit xorg.conf?
[09:36] <nickrud> Fulg, are you sure you compiled the ide support into the kernel, not as a module
[09:36] <pantz> i have a resolution of 1024x768 at 60Hz - after installing the nvidia driver i should be able to get much higher - anyone know how to reconfigure the X server?
[09:36] <Fulg> yes
[09:36] <delire> Fulg: either that or you're bootmanager isn't setup properly
[09:36] <dcraven> Fulg, you need to make sure that you compile your filesystem and IDE etc directly into the kernel (not a module). The stock kernel doesn't do this because it uses an initrd.
[09:36] <digitalwoot> 60 Hz makes my eyes want to bleed...:-\
[09:37] <delire> Fulg: i think it's IDE_BLK_DEV or similar
[09:37] <nickrud> pantz, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[09:37] <dcraven> Fulg, you need to compile everything into the kernel that the system needs to boot.
[09:37] <jonh> how can i do the updates 4 ubuntu any1?
[09:37] <delparnel> ?
[09:37] <nico_> I have hoary and I dont understand why packages are never marked as upgradable in synaptic ? what do I have to do to have the latest packages ?
[09:37] <jonh> how can i do the updates 4 ubuntu any1?
[09:37] <nickrud> nico_, there are no upgrades yet
[09:37] <djm62> nico_: hoary is stable...no unnecessary updates
[09:38] <jonh> alright
[09:38] <jonh> how about the codecs and all that?
[09:38] <pantz> nickrud, thanks again ;)
[09:38] <nico_> is there a unstable version if I really want the latest ?
[09:38] <nickrud> np
[09:38] <dcraven> nico_, give it a few weeks before you jump to unstable.... Or better yet, months.
[09:39] <djm62> nico_: breezy is still unreliable, I think
[09:39] <erkatta> djm62 - I see this in the console: "Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed." But I didn't use any kind of authentication protocol such as WEP.....what can I do?
[09:39] <delire> Fulg: 'egrep -R BLK_DEV_IDE /usr/src/<kernel-source>/.config'
[09:39] <nickrud> nico_, there's breezy, but ....
[09:39] <digitalwoot> would I install ATI's drivers and then run the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ....
[09:39] <Pluk> breezy is unstable, but atm its really unstable :)
[09:40] <nico_> what if I want to upgrade a particular package ? I have to download the .deb and install it by hand ?
[09:40] <delire> erkatta: iwlist ath0 scanning
[09:40] <nickrud> digitalwoot, ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:40] <digitalwoot> nickrud: thanks
[09:40] <delire> erkatta: and see line 6
[09:41] <digitalwoot> I tried throwing a http in there.. that doesn't work.. I searched for binardriverhowto on the wiki and no luck you have a direct clickable link?
[09:41] <djm62> nico_: unless you're lacking functionality, it's not advised
[09:41] <delire> digitalwoot: i'd run fglrxconfig myself. regardless you should back up your XF86Config-4 first
[09:41] <nickrud> http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:42] <digitalwoot> here's the blatant reason I am a noob... - I didn't know that was there... "fglrxconfig"
[09:42] <blstnb> Hi can anyone please help me ?
[09:42] <djm62> just ask...
[09:42] <delire> digitalwoot: it's cool it's in the ati documentation that ships with the driver..
[09:42] <delire> digitalwoot: i think they mention it on ati.com/linux
[09:43] <brrrt> UbunDoc: ??
[09:43] <brrrt> UbunDoc: if you set your hostname to whatever you cant open a terminal anymore?
[09:43] <delire> digitalwoot: but i would read any Ubuntu howto's first
[09:43] <blstnb> I'am trying to get My Netgear PCI wireless adaptor TYPE WG311T 108 Mbps connected
[09:43] <blstnb> reconised by ubuntu
[09:43] <digitalwoot> I used to use linux... "mandrake" like years ago.... I have never used any debian based stuff...
[09:43] <erkatta> delire - Encryption key:off
[09:43] <delire> brrrt: no, because $who, on $what is opening the terminal.
[09:43] <digitalwoot> I agree since they are specific to this os... ;-) thank you delire...
[09:43] <delire> brrrt: log out and back in
[09:43] <digitalwoot> actually... a while ago I think I was on this room and you helped me then as well so thanks again..
[09:44] <delire> erkatta: ok and if you 'sudo ifdown ath0; ifup ath0'?
[09:44] <delire> erkatta: i mean 'sudo ifdown ath0; sudo ifup ath0'?
[09:44] <djm62> blstnb: ok...what have you tried? or do you just not know what to try?
[09:44] <blstnb> just don't really know
[09:45] <delire> digitalwoot: hey thanks for saying so ;)
[09:45] <chicken_man> any one know a good tcp\ip tutorial for C++ ?
[09:45] <djm62> blstnb: System->Administration->Networking
[09:45] <delire> chicken_man: muar har har
[09:45] <digitalwoot> so somewhere I can find kde for debian/unbuntu... I'd have to download it to my pb and take it home.. my ubuntu box doesn't have net yet
[09:45] <delire> chicken_man: lots out there ;)
[09:45] <chicken_man> :\
[09:45] <djm62> blstnb: all being well, your card will be there
[09:45] <blstnb> I will check
[09:45] <nickrud> digitalwoot, take a look at apt-zip, it makes it easy
[09:46] <delire> nickrud: awesome suggestion ;)
[09:46] <djm62> apt-zip? new on me
[09:46] <nickrud> lived on a 3k dialup for a year, it was a godsend
[09:46] <digitalwoot> I have never used gnome... I have.. to download it on a powerbook and then take it to ubuntu
[09:46] <delire> djm62: i used it ages ago. really was a treat.
[09:46] <dcraven> chicken_man, the best guide I've seen is Beej's Guide. It's for C, but you can just wrap those function calls in C++ classes.
[09:46] <darkwolf74> can anyone tell me how i designate one of my 2 machines as a server or where i can go to find this out?
[09:47] <nickrud> digitalwoot, exactly what you need
[09:47] <djm62> magic!
[09:47] <blstnb> It says it is there and that ath0 is active, but will not connect to wireless network. had to install standard ethernet card to get here
[09:47] <farruinn> darkwolf74: what are you trying to serve?
[09:47] <djm62> blstnb: can you configure the card with your network setting?
[09:47] <delire> digitalwoot: i would look into apt-zip as nickrud suggests. it's perfect. apt-get install apt-zip && man apt-zip
[09:48] <darkwolf74> farruinn: i want my faster computer to be a server and my slower one to be a terminal
[09:48] <blstnb> Not quite sure what you mean. sorry for being ignorant
[09:48] <digitalwoot> I am on a powerbook right now
[09:48] <djm62> blstnb: properties button, when you select the adapter
[09:48] <digitalwoot> and have no net connection to download stuff on the ubuntu box
[09:48] <digitalwoot> so no apt-get..
[09:48] <digitalwoot> :-\
[09:48] <delire> digitalwoot ahah not running ubuntu? perhaps install apt-get
[09:48] <Lito> hi, anybody uses jpodder?? ( a tool for podcasting)
[09:48] <digitalwoot> I have two machines
[09:48] <digitalwoot> a 12" pb os 10.3.9 and ubuntu at home
[09:49] <digitalwoot> I am at the office now ;-)
[09:49] <nickrud> digitalwoot, you select the things you want on ubuntu, apt-zip will make a list you can download on the powerbook. it WORKS
[09:49] <delire> digitalwoot: there is an apt-* port for OSX though
[09:49] <digitalwoot> so I have to take that stuff to the desktop
[09:49] <delire> yep
[09:49] <scizzo> digitalwoot: fink is a apt-get thingy for OS X
[09:49] <farruinn> darkwolf74: so you want to run one headerless?  Are you trying to set up X forwarding or something? there aremany different types of servers...
[09:50] <blstnb> i'am trying at the moment with DCHP as my network generates the IP address when you log on
[09:50] <digitalwoot> why?
[09:50] <digitalwoot> os x is awesome
[09:50] <digitalwoot> bsd man
[09:50] <delire> i have to work on it at times. horrible.
[09:50] <djm62> nice GUI though
[09:50] <delire> digitalwoot: i like the kernel, just hate the GUI
[09:51] <djm62> not as functional as gnome, but acceleration is a Good Thing
[09:51] <delire> that finder is a pain in the arse
[09:51] <dcraven> delire, I'm the same way. I think, however, that we are few.
[09:51] <delire> djm62: sure
[09:51] <delire> dcraven: the finder assumes software is lost already. odd concept
[09:51] <digitalwoot> well I use something called quicksilver to launch apps
[09:51] <sparkling> hi all
[09:51] <digitalwoot> and I am an apple tech
[09:51] <digitalwoot> so I can work on em'
[09:52] <delire> digitalwoot: i think darwin itself is interesting, but the UI really slows down my productivity.
[09:52] <digitalwoot> hmm
[09:52] <blstnb> okay nothing seems to have changed even though I have put default gateway IP address in and selected DHCP
[09:52] <digitalwoot> I think it is personality/work habits/if you know all the little tricks to do things
[09:52] <digitalwoot> spring loaded folders..
[09:52] <digitalwoot> folder actions with apple script..
[09:52] <digitalwoot> lots of neat stuff..
[09:52] <nickrud> I want springy folders
[09:52] <digitalwoot> I work faster on a mac than on a pc for sure...
[09:53] <abarbaccia|away> hey all - what do i need to install to get bluetooth working in ubuntu?
[09:53] <nickrud> how about getting the patent opened for us :)
[09:53] <delire> digitalwoot: anyway, if you like that kind of thing, see what this *madman* has done: http://kde-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=15431&file1=15431-1.jpg&file2=15431-2.jpg&file3=15431-3.jpg&name=KDE+3.3+-+Xorg+6.8+Beta+-+Unbeatable
[09:53] <djm62> blstnb: exit that dialogue for now, open a terminal (right-click on desktop to get that), and type "sudo dhclient ath0"
[09:53] <BB|Timsan> Hello everybody, I'm new to Ubuntu, and sort of new to linux too, i have some questions, someone to awnser them please?
[09:53] <abarbaccia|away> BB|Timsan, just ask
[09:53] <OFF> i just installed gmplayer but it is missing a font!! where can i get it?
[09:53] <digitalwoot> wooohoo awesome I want that
[09:54] <delire> digitalwoot: hehe thought you might ;)
[09:54] <eaon> delire: you're probably slower on os x because you're not used to it ;)
[09:54] <djm62> blstnb: this shouldn't be necessary, but I have found wireless with the gnome tool to be a bit shonky myself :-/
[09:54] <digitalwoot> now I just have to figure out how to download all this stuff and take it to my ubuntu box...
[09:54] <delire> eaon: no, i have really tried. i used to like macs.
[09:55] <digitalwoot> I hate not having net at home but I am about to move so no sense
[09:55] <BB|Timsan> Well, atm i'm downloading the 5.04 version to my PC that already got WinXP PRO, could i just install it on the same harddrive as Windows or do i have to create another disk for Ubuntu?
[09:55] <delire> eaon: from the apple range, the only think i'm interested in is IBM's PPC processor itself
[09:55] <djm62> ...and the industrial design sensibility
[09:55] <abarbaccia|away> BB|Timsan, you have to partition your hard disk, and it can be on the same physical disk
[09:55] <dcraven> BB|Timsan, you'll want to partition the hard drive if you only have one.
[09:56] <BB|Timsan> Thank you!
[09:56] <djm62> BB|Timsan: which I think is what you mean by "create a drive"
[09:56] <BB|Timsan> Exactly
[09:56] <delire> djm62: sure, Asustek and Quanta make the PowerBook/iBook range. i own an Asus. it's fantastically well made.
[09:56] <eaon> delire: aye - i, for one, hope gnome is going to adopt a few things that are known from os x these days
[09:56] <dcraven> Damn Windows and it's "drive" lettering...
[09:56] <blstnb> ok sorry had to go to loo
[09:56] <djm62> only gentoo users actually build the hard drive from scratch ;)
[09:56] <abarbaccia|away> BB|Timsan, well, be careful - an easy way to do it is to partition the drive in windows and leave free space prior to going into the installation of ubuntu
[09:56] <cens0red> Slightly OT: Novel switching entirely to linux http://www.smh.com.au/news/Next/Novell-to-Linux-a-saver/2005/04/18/1113676683387.html
[09:57] <digitalwoot> ah
[09:57] <digitalwoot> ol djm62
[09:57] <BB|Timsan> So i can run both Ubuntu and windows on same PC if i got win on C: and Ubuntu och D: for example ?
[09:57] <preglow> can anyone tell me how i make gnome/whatever stop autobrowsing my usb portables when i connect them?
[09:57] <BB|Timsan> Do i get at option in th boot manager i suppose?
[09:57] <digitalwoot> you make another partition for ubuntu timsan
[09:57] <BB|Timsan> yes
[09:57] <digitalwoot> and then use a boot manager to choose
[09:57] <dcraven> BB|Timsan, yes and yes. But D: has no meaning in Linux.
[09:57] <dockane> is there any software to set the size for printing images
[09:57] <mocker> Where does gnome keep it's autostart folder per user?
[09:58] <mocker> ~/.gnome/Autostart/ ?
[09:58] <djm62> preglow: System->Preferences->removable drives and media
[09:58] <BB|Timsan> That do you mean DCRAVEN?
 So i can run both Ubuntu and windows on same PC if i got win on C: and Ubuntu och D: for example  // yes. But not simultaneously!
[09:58] <preglow> djm62: thanks a bunch
[09:58] <blstnb>  dhclient ath0
[09:58] <BB|Timsan> Ah thanks Cens0red
[09:58] <dcraven> BB|Timsan, drive lettering is a Windows thing. There is no C:\ and D:\ etc in Linux.
[09:58] <digitalwoot> thanks for the help all.... gtg..
[09:58] <BB|Timsan> i know that :)
[09:58] <djm62> preglow: that work?
[09:58] <dcraven> BB|Timsan, okay. Sorry.
[09:58] <cens0red> BB|Timsan good. lol.
[09:58] <BB|Timsan> but it will work right?
[09:58] <delire> digitalwoot: anytime..
[09:59] <dcraven> BB|Timsan, yes. Many in here dual boot right now.
[09:59] <tremor_> (technically, you can run them simultaneously, colinux, vmware, qemu, ...)
[09:59] <preglow> djm62: worked nicely, i should have thought of that myself
[09:59] <cens0red> I still have win 98 on one partition. Have hardly used for years now.
[09:59] <djm62> preglow: yeah...there's a pernicious feeling that things should be more complicated these days
[09:59] <makyo> is crimsum there?
[09:59] <dockane> i scanned an image and want to print a "zoomed" version to DIN a4 ... how do i do that with ubuntu ?
[10:00] <flodine> old school 98
[10:00] <BB|Timsan> Well, i'm sort of new to linux, do i only have to install Ubuntu to have the complete OS or do i have to install linux as a "base" ?
[10:00] <delire> djm62: ;)
[10:00] <universal> does someone know how to get a musicprogram in function in Ubuntu??
[10:00] <djm62> BB|Timsan: ubuntu includes everything you need
[10:00] <dcraven> BB|Timsan, just Ubuntu.
[10:00] <BB|Timsan> Thank you!
[10:00] <djm62> BB|Timsan: have you tried the livecd?
[10:00] <nickrud> dockane, gtklp will give you good printing control for images
[10:00] <BB|Timsan> Nope
[10:00] <abarbaccia|away> anybody here use bluetooth?
[10:00] <tremor_> universal: what do you mean ? having problems with mp3's ?
[10:01] <nickrud> dockane, just be sure to enter the margins in the text tab
[10:01] <cens0red> what a brilliant idea. Get the live cd and take it for a test run.
[10:01] <makyo> I was looking for some help regarding midi in ubuntu... I'm looking how to configure an mpu401 port
[10:01] <BB|Timsan> djm62 : I have not tried it, what about it ?
[10:01] <universal> tremor_, no, but i miss a proffessionel musicprogram for linux
[10:02] <darkwolf74> Nickserv smz92k
[10:02] <eddyp> are there any powerpc UDs?
[10:02] <darkwolf74> NickServ
[10:02] <dbrouwer> hi, what program can i use to unrar RAR3.0 archives?
[10:02] <djm62> BB|Timsan: just wondering...it's a nice way to "try before you buy"
[10:02] <cens0red> makyo do u have a midi chip in your soundcard? If the answer is [no] , or [don't know] , have u tried using timidity?
[10:02] <dcraven> I know darkwolf74's NickServ password!
[10:02] <universal> tremor_, i know a few programs but they doesent work as there are problems with JACK
[10:02] <darkwolf74> lmao dcraven
[10:02] <Absenth> afternoon all.
[10:02] <darkwolf74> whoops
[10:02] <dcraven> lol
[10:02] <delire> makyo have you looked at 'aconnectgui'? with a midi sequencer?
[10:02] <rightcoast> hi all
[10:02] <blstnb> it gives this message after logging on "Internet Systems Consortium DHCP Client V3.0.1
[10:02] <blstnb> Copyright 2004 Internet Systems Consortium.
[10:02] <blstnb> All rights reserved.
[10:02] <blstnb> For info, please visit http://www.isc.org/products/DHCP
[10:02] <blstnb> sit0: unknown hardware address type 776
[10:02] <blstnb> sit0: unknown hardware address type 776
[10:02] <blstnb> Listening on LPF/ath0/00:0f:b5:22:7c:f6
[10:02] <blstnb> Sending on   LPF/ath0/00:0f:b5:22:7c:f6
[10:02] <blstnb> Sending on   Socket/fallback
[10:02] <dcraven> d
[10:03] <blstnb> DHCPDISCOVER on ath0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 3
[10:03] <Absenth> I don't suppose anyone knows when I might be able to dist-upgrade to breezy?  :)
[10:03] <tremor_> universal: sorry, no clue about professional music software
[10:03] <blstnb> DHCPDISCOVER on ath0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 6
[10:03] <BB|Timsan> Ah, ok thank you djm62!
[10:03] <blstnb> DHCPDISCOVER on ath0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 15
[10:03] <blstnb> DHCPDISCOVER on ath0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 7
[10:03] <blstnb> DHCPDISCOVER on ath0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 20
[10:03] <dockane> nickrud, thnx. i wonder that this is not pre-installed. VERY basic function imho
[10:03] <blstnb> DHCPDISCOVER on ath0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 10
[10:03] <blstnb> No DHCPOFFERS received.
[10:03] <blstnb> No working leases in persistent database - sleeping."
[10:03] <dcraven> blstnb, please don't do that again.
[10:03] <delire> makyo: apt-cache search acconnectgui
[10:03] <djm62> blstnb: you can paste that sort of thing in #flood
[10:03] <delire> blstnb: that's offensive. don't do that again. imagine you were at a party.
[10:03] <djm62> blstnb: it tends to drown out conversations otherwise
[10:03] <dcraven> Absenth, you can now. But it's not strongly advised.
[10:03] <makyo> delire I haven't
[10:03] <nickrud> dockane, I've wondered myself. I'm using it at the moment
[10:03] <blstnb> sorry new first time tonight
[10:03] <Juhaz> even better, don't paste that sort of thing on irc at all, web is full of pastebins these days
[10:04] <makyo> delire what is acconnectgui for?
[10:04] <usynic> blstnb: http://rafb.net/paste
[10:04] <blstnb> I was talking and passing message to person who was trying to assist me
[10:04] <BB|Timsan> Ok, I'm a pretty advanced PC user, i know c++ ect. i'm just wondering (i haven't installed linux before) do you think it's hard for me to install Ubunto or is it hard in general ?
[10:04] <cens0red> $apt-cache search acconnectgui = no results.
[10:04] <Absenth> dcraven: is there a page I can watch for updates on when it might be ready for mainstream testing?
[10:04] <delire> makyo just apt-cache search aconnectgui
[10:05] <usynic> BB|Timsan: it's different, but not hard if you stick at it and aren't afraid of reading.
[10:05] <delire> cens0red: one 'c' my fault
[10:05] <tremor_> BB|Timsan: you can install ubuntu with your eyes closed, even if you know little to nothing about computers
[10:05] <dcraven> BB|Timsan, it's not hard. But I don't think knowing C++ has much to do with it. The installer is already written.
[10:05] <rightcoast> I just spent some time reading up on the boards and docs. I have upgraded to hoary, and belive my dns settings aren't working now with dhcp
[10:05] <djm62> BB|Timsan: in general it's not hard...
[10:05] <dcraven> Absenth, it will not be ready for mainstream for another 5 and a half months.
[10:05] <rightcoast> eth1 is up, but firefox can't find pages
[10:05] <dockane> nickrud, i apt-got it: the german translation is EXTREMELY strange : one headline in the last tab is called feelings (german: gefhle). wth is described with that ?
[10:05] <delire> rightcoast: see /etc/resolv.conf for what you have currently
[10:06] <rightcoast> anyone else have that hapopen?
[10:06] <BB|Timsan> haha thank you, dcraven I just gave an example, so you don't think i dont know a thing about comps.
[10:06] <SeamusLP> rightcoast:  Never had that happen.  You usually get a DNS location from the DHCP server
[10:06] <cens0red> delire oh ok. I have an sblive 5.1, which I'm told has no midi chip. That therefore wouldn't be much use to me I suppose, would it?
[10:06] <BB|Timsan> Well, thank you for your time and wisdom :) I'm off to partion and install ;)
[10:06] <delire> rightcoast: 'cat /etc/resolv.conf' and see if that looks right to you
[10:06] <nickrud> dockane, I took german i high school, and got B-'s
[10:06] <Absenth> BB|Timsan: the "http://ubuntuguide.org" will offer a lot of insight, and help answer quite a few questions.
[10:07] <erkatta> my ethernet interface crashed :(
[10:07] <SeamusLP> rightcoast:  The best course of action would be to add one manually
[10:07] <djm62> blstnb: type iwconfig to see if the basics (card identified, essid correct) are ok
[10:07] <dcraven> BB|Timsan, I'm just kiddin'. It's a very easy install. I'm sure you'll be fine. The only issue (but usually can be overcome) is with things like Windows only hardware.
[10:07] <BB|Timsan> Thank you Absenth
[10:07] <delire> cens0red: alsaconf would fix that.
[10:07] <blstnb> ok will try
[10:07] <dcraven> BB|Timsan, good luck.
[10:07] <dockane> nickrud, sorry i am not familiar with your grades. is B bad ?
[10:07] <BB|Timsan> thank you :)
[10:07] <rightcoast> my dns servers are fine. I just checked /etc/resolv.conf. Thats them
[10:07] <OFF> dont say OFF
[10:08] <Absenth> Are GCC and Perl installed as part of the base system in Hoary, or will I need to get them via apt?
[10:08] <nickrud> dockane, A best, F worst. B- is mediocre
[10:08] <delire> cens0red: it does have a midi chip AFAIK. emu10k1  midi and seq?
[10:08] <SeamusLP> rightcoast:  Can you ping them?
[10:08] <cens0red> delire you mean alsactl?
[10:08] <dcraven> Absenth, via apt.
[10:08] <Absenth> dcraven: danke.
[10:08] <delire> cens0red: no alsaconf
[10:08] <djm62> erkatta: are you connecting two network interfaces simultaneously?
[10:09] <nickrud> dockane, I'm blind: in English, they have Feel, as in Look and Feel
[10:09] <blstnb> it gives me no wireless extensions, link quality 22/94 signal level -73dBm
[10:09] <dcraven> Absenth, well gcc anyway. I'm not sure about Perl. apt-get install build-essential will get you the compile toolchain though.
[10:09] <muep> is there a working microphone input in Hoary?
[10:09] <dockane> nickrud, rofl
[10:09] <delire> cens0red: it's a great configurator. writes alsa entries in the /etc/modules.conf correctly. crimsun doesn't like it for some reason. fair enough as he's close to the Ubuntu sound system.
[10:09] <muep> a friend of mine can't get his mic work with skype
[10:09] <djm62> blstnb: I presume "no wireless extensions" applies to a different interface ;)
[10:10] <erkatta> yes djm62
[10:10] <erkatta> eth0 and ath0
[10:10] <Absenth> dcraven: That would be all of the developer tools, libs, etc?
[10:10] <nickrud> dockane, maybe you can put a bug in malone.ubuntu.com, with a better translation :)
[10:10] <erkatta> maybe this can cause my problem?
[10:10] <cens0red> delire the only result I got with an "$apt-cache search alsaconf" was alsa-utils ... looking through the package, can't find anything with the name alsaconf.
[10:10] <blstnb> not sure  as it gives me Frequency 2.417GHz acess point FF.FF.FF.FF.FF.FF
[10:10] <rightcoast> ShamusLP: no I can't I assume it is the router causing the issue, I have a linksys BEFsr41
[10:10] <djm62> erkatta: I'd recommend taking one down before putting the other one up...so the packets know where to go :-/
[10:11] <dcraven> Absenth, that's gcc, g++, and autotools etc. There are many libraries that you will need to install separately if you want them.
[10:11] <rightcoast> hmm cant ping that either
[10:11] <djm62> blstnb: what is the SSID for your network?
[10:11] <delire> cens0red: i'm on debian testing here.. cannot compare sadly.
[10:11] <dockane> nickrud, will do that :). but look and feel would be a whitebox which represents the paperformat and where i could adjust the image as an icon relativele to the size of the paper
[10:11] <delire> cens0red: i mean "i cannot check" sadly ;)
[10:11] <confrey> can anybody help me about midi configuration? I try to start fluidsynth, but I obtain an error in regard of a sequncer; output of console is in http://rafb.net/paste/results/fy615n87.html
[10:11] <djm62> blstnb: I don't need to know that...but does it appear in the output to iwconfig
[10:11] <Absenth> dcraven: thanks again.
[10:12] <dcraven> Absenth, no sweat.
[10:12] <delire> cens0red: but yes, it came with alsa-utils on this site
[10:12] <brrrt> djm62: i now installed camorama, but it just allowes to save pictures, no movie
[10:12] <nickrud> dockane, here they mean look and feel of how gtklp works.
[10:12] <erkatta> now i try to put down "eth0" with this command: "ifconfig eth0 down" right?
[10:12] <SeamusLP> rightcoast:  Yeah check your router settings.  If you can't ping your router it might have ICMP disabled, though.
[10:12] <djm62> erkatta: or more simply ifdown eth0
[10:12] <cens0red> delire can I msg u?
[10:13] <delire> cens0red: confrey's problem is the kind of thing immediately fixed with alsaconf
[10:13] <delire> cens0red ok
[10:13] <blstnb> NETGEAR sorry for delay had to use another machine to check on it
[10:14] <delire> confrey: you need to talk to crimsun, he has a good solution for you. a program 'alsaconf' is what i use to fix this problem, but only in debian.
[10:14] <djm62> blstnb: try iwconfig ath0 essid any
[10:14] <dockane> nickrud, but to tell you the truth: i am not really happy with this gtklp. do you know the adobe arcobat reader print dialogue from window$ or mac os x ?
[10:14] <delire> confrey: in the meantime can you 'ls -l dev/snd/seq'?
[10:15] <confrey> I also used debian, but ubuntu it's better....
[10:15] <confrey> wait, please
[10:15] <rightcoast> Do you think the field "block anonymous internet requests" is synonymous with block ICMP?
[10:15] <delire> confrey: ubuntu is just 'desktop debian'. can't compare them without including the application.
[10:15] <confrey> dario@dariomlap:~$ ls /dev/snd
[10:15] <confrey> controlC0  pcmC0D0c  pcmC0D0p  pcmC0D1c  timer
[10:15] <nickrud> dockane, no windows, no osx. Maybe opening it in gimp will give you better control of the printing?
[10:16] <djm62> then dhclient ath0 (you do know to put "sudo" before both of those commands...because you need to do it with Super User privileges?)
[10:16] <blstnb> gives Error for wireless request "Set ESSID" (881A)  Set failed on device ath0 ; Operation not permitted
[10:16] <SeamusLP> rightcoast:  Yeah, but that wouldn't have anything to do with DNS.
[10:16] <confrey> delire, I haven't it, and in sndstat I have this :
[10:16] <Amaranth> I need some people to take a look at http://www.realistanew.com/2005/04/19/bittorrent-tray-icon/ and download the deb and try it out.
[10:16] <erkatta> djm62 - WORK!!!!!!!!!!!!! THANX
[10:17] <djm62> ...
[10:17] <djm62> np
[10:17] <delire> confrey: no.. 'ls -l dev/snd/seq'?
[10:17] <confrey> Synth devices: NOT ENABLED IN CONFIG
[10:17] <rightcoast> no , but it might be why I can't ping then let me change and reset that see if I can reach it then
[10:17] <confrey> Midi devices: NOT ENABLED IN CONFIG
[10:17] <erkatta_> djm62 - WORK!!!!!!!!!!!!! THANX
[10:17] <confrey> delire, no
[10:17] <cidr> Could somebody send me the "CodingStyle" by Linus? Since I'm a 56k modem user I don't feel like downloading the whole kernel sources just for that singe file. Please?
[10:17] <erkatta_> It's only that the problem: two active interface
[10:17] <delire> confrey precisely see /etc/modiles.conf and or ~/.asoundrc
[10:17] <delire> erkatta_ yep ;) turn one off
[10:18] <delire> confrey /etc/modules.conf i mean to say
[10:18] <dockane> nickrud, alread tried that. the print dialogue there is very slim too
[10:18] <djm62> blstnb: have you been using sudo before the commands? "sudo iwconfig ath0 essid any" for instance: I think I just assumed too much there
[10:18] <rightcoast> unreachable, but I did a successfull apt-get and ifconfig shows RX and TX with no errors
[10:18] <confrey> delire, what can I find in modules.conf?
[10:18] <blstnb> no i didn't will try again
[10:18] <djm62> erkatta_: you can use two interfaces at once, but it's a bit perverse
[10:19] <delire> confrey: all the aliasing mapping for devices and their system names/addresses.
[10:19] <adm> hi
[10:19] <dockane> is there no print dialogue where i can adjust the print size of an image visually  in relation to the paper size ?
[10:19] <nickrud> dockane, well, I'm not an artist, just slapping an image on paper is about all I need :0
[10:19] <delire> confrey: but as i say, talk to crimsun. there's an 'Ubuntu way' for doing this, that he reccomends.
[10:19] <adm> can someone give a litle help with q3 and ubuntu 5.04?
[10:19] <rightcoast> so I think it might a dns issue somehow, I just dont know much about networking
[10:19] <delire> confrey: i would say it has something to do with 'modconf' or similar.
[10:19] <djm62> erkatta_: can you tell me your wireless card?  in case I have to buy one at some point
[10:19] <adm> problem: i have foloved the instruction how to install nvidia 3d drivers
[10:19] <cens0red>  /etc/modules.conf no such file or directory
[10:20] <OFF> delire, what?
[10:20] <adm> so everithing seem ok
[10:20] <delire> confrey: perhaps 'modules-config'
[10:20] <nickrud> cidr, http://lxr.linux.no/source/Documentation/CodingStyle
[10:20] <delire> cens0red: ok.. a
[10:20] <SeamusLP> rightcoast perhaps your DNS servers are down.
[10:20] <delire> <-- debian
[10:20] <adm> but when i run q3 gdm is chrashing and im geting to login screen
[10:20] <confrey> delire, is there some doc, or wiki page about?
[10:20] <delire> OFF: yes?
[10:20] <i3dmaster> anyone familiar with cloop filesystem? anyone knows how to compress to get a best compress ratio?
[10:20] <confrey> I haven't modules.conf in /etc, only modules
[10:21] <delire> confrey: search based on the relevant part of your error in http://google.com/linux
[10:21] <cens0red> delire there is a file called /etc/modules. Probly same diff.
[10:21] <erkatta_> yes
[10:21] <delire> OFF: &&?
[10:21] <erkatta_> I have a TRUST SPEEDSHARE TURBO
[10:21] <cyphase> If you install modpython for apache in Ubuntu, do the python scripts have to be in the cgi-bin folder, or can they be anywhere?
[10:21] <delire> cens0red: no, that is just a list of modules to load at boot
[10:21] <OFF> delire, u hightlighted me
[10:21] <dockane> nickrud, well i dont call myself an artist too. you may take a look to the print dialogue of gthump: there is nearly what i am looking for if it would not only be possible to reduce but increase the size
[10:21] <delire> OFF: really?
[10:21] <cyphase> im pretty sure its everywhere, but im not sure..
[10:21] <rightcoast> nope I am using the same server on a knoppix boot cd on this pc, Windows uses those dns servers as well in the other room
[10:22] <delire> rightcoast: did you look at /etc/resolv.conf
[10:22] <blstnb> when using sudo in front any of the commands fail and just returns to the prompt instantly
[10:22] <OFF> delire, yeah
[10:22] <delire> OFF: odd
[10:22] <djm62> blstnb: do they actually fail, or just give no output?
[10:22] <erkatta_> djm62: only Ubuntu and Mandrake reconize it
[10:22] <dcraven> dockane, gthumb does it... Make it one image per page near the top of the dialogue.
[10:22] <rightcoast> both dhcp and The ubuntu machine is dhcp as well. yep resolv.conf is pointing to the right dns servers
[10:23] <blstnb> hard to tell could be just no output
[10:23] <seeker> how do I unmount ? i get " unmount: command not found"
[10:23] <delire> rightcoast: ok.
[10:23] <delire> umount
[10:23] <Amaranth> seeker: umount
[10:23] <seeker>  unmount: command not found
[10:23] <djm62> blstnb: the aesthetic is "success isn't interesting"
[10:23] <Choubaka> umount!
[10:23] <delire> seeker **umount**
[10:23] <seeker> oh
[10:23] <seeker> ok thnks
[10:23] <SeamusLP> Amaranth:  Was that supposed to replace the default bittorrent client?
[10:23] <Amaranth> SeamusLP: It probably did, yeah.
[10:23] <djm62> blstnb: if you ran iwconfig and dhclient successfully, you should be online
[10:23] <blstnb> yes it is more fun this way LOL
[10:24] <nickrud> dockane, try setting it to 1 image per page, and yes, I think I may use this for images
[10:24] <rightcoast> It worked perfectly until an update to hoary using synaptic. Is it possible I should have used apt-get?
[10:24] <Amaranth> SeamusLP: The command to run is /usr/bin/btdownloadgui.py
[10:24] <cens0red> delire there's a package called  asterisk-config that contains /etc/asterisk/modules.conf
[10:24] <dockane> nickrud, ah well the problem is my image got white space to upper end of the page
[10:24] <GameJunky> anyone know if theres a way to change the monitor brightness via software? i know you can do it for webcams .. but thats probably a different story..
[10:24] <SeamusLP> Amaranth:  Yeah looks like it's still trying to use bittornado for me
[10:25] <Amaranth> GameJunky: Only on LCD monitors. I don't know how, but I know you can.
[10:25] <delire> cens0red: no, i don't think ubuntu has created one. do you have 'modules-config'??
[10:25] <Amaranth> SeamusLP: When you run /usr/bin/btdownloadgui.py it open bittornado?
[10:25] <delire> cens0red: i like having these files on my system personally. a good tweak interface.
[10:25] <k4rl> anyone know how to setup dead keys, for typing letters other than english on my keyboard?
[10:25] <nickrud> dockane, maybe you should ask again, someone else here might know something better. You've already told me a better one :)
[10:26] <cens0red> delire no. Not precisely by that name. I got ssl-modules.conf, a few other [somthing] -modules.conf(s).
[10:26] <SeamusLP> Amaranth:  Removed it bittornado and it's good now.
[10:26] <delire> k4rl: there's heaps online about this.
[10:26] <djm62> delire: are you thinking /etc/modprobe.d/ ?
[10:26] <delire> cens0red can you apt-cache search it?
[10:26] <k4rl> well, google is turning up people asking for help
[10:26] <Amaranth> SeamusLP: Good, because you don't need bittornado anymore. :)
[10:26] <k4rl> not answers, and I'm still digging in the wiki, but ok, I'll come back later
[10:26] <dockane> nickrud, np :)
[10:26] <delire> djm62: no, debian here so i have /etc/modules.conf
[10:26] <SeamusLP> Amaranth:  It's a good client but ugly as hell.
[10:26] <cens0red> delire I did an apt-file search for modules.conf, that's how I found out about the asterisk-config package.
[10:26] <Amaranth> SeamusLP: You click on the tray icon to make the window go away, click it again to bring it back.
[10:26] <SeamusLP> Amaranth:  Bittornado I mean
[10:27] <Amaranth> SeamusLP: BitTorrent is so much better and looks good.
[10:27] <delire> cens0red you don't need this file. it just means without it i probably can't help you.
[10:27] <delire> cens0red: i'd talk to crimsun
[10:27] <Juhaz> multiverse mplayer crashes with AC3 avis, any reps with a working one?
[10:27] <cens0red> delire k. Thanks anyway.
[10:27] <delire> cens0red: there is an Ubuntu way of aliasing sound devices that is probably quite sensible
[10:27] <delire> cens0red: anytime.. soz
[10:27] <dcraven> dockane, Gimp has a pretty powerful print dialogue too.
[10:28] <delire> gimpprint.. very nice
[10:28] <sobersabre> hi. i am trying to change gnome theme ... and the themes have strange question marks... is this ok ?? when i choose "go to theme folder" i get into an empty folder...
[10:28] <makyo2> sorry, who was the one who told me about the aconnectgui?
[10:28] <blstnb> I will try again
[10:28] <djm62> damn!
[10:28] <dockane> will try that immediatly thank you
[10:28] <delire> makyo2: me i believe
[10:28] <abarbaccia> hey all - anybody get bluetooth working with ubuntu?  i can't seem to get my phone to connect
[10:29] <sobersabre> and: how do i compile kernel in ubuntu way ?
[10:29] <delire> abarbaccia: never tried..
[10:29] <SeamusLP> Amaranth:  Doesn't look like there's any way to change the default port
[10:29] <dbrouwer> hi all. i have a question. i am on a windows network with my gnome desktop. when i open a folder in someones shared stuff, it works fine. but all of a sudden upon double clicking a folder it gives me a dialogebox with "Opening "<foldername>". You can stop this operation by clicking cancel." and it does not open the folder anymore. what is going on?
[10:29] <djm62> blstnb: actually, if you're trying again "sudo iwconfig ath0 essid NETGEAR"
[10:29] <delire> abarbaccia: let me know how you go though ;)
[10:29] <dockane> delire, does it come with gimp or do i have to isntall xtra packeges
[10:29] <makyo2> delire yes, thanks... I installed that and it opens an empty window
[10:29] <delire> dockane: apt-cache search gimpprint
[10:29] <rightcoast> I tried dumping dhcp and inputting it all manually, thanks for the help all.
[10:29] <delire> makyo2 because you aren't running any applications that use it.
[10:29] <rightcoast> see if it works out :)
[10:29] <Amaranth> SeamusLP: Open up your firewall. ;)
[10:29] <djm62> dockane: should have gimp...Applications->Graphics
[10:30] <delire> dockane: i think it's an extra.
[10:30] <dcraven> sobersabre, what kind of theme are you changing? Window decorations? Controls?
[10:30] <makyo2> delire do you know which modules are needed for midi mpu401 to work?
[10:30] <abarbaccia> delire, well, it recognized my bluetooth USB adapter, and it says scanning for devices, but refuses to pick up my phone - i've tried 2 differnet bluetooth adapters too...so im wondering if its my phone - aobut to try my roommates
[10:30] <slappy16> tweedledumb test
[10:30] <TweedleDumb> no
[10:30] <jan> question i installed supertux and for some reason the sound doesn't work and its blacked out however the system as a whole has sound. any suggestions?
[10:30] <dcraven> I think gimp comes with ubuntu-desktop.
[10:30] <slappy16> tweedledumb test
[10:30] <sobersabre> dcraven, i am using the whole theme change ( win deco + icons + controls )
[10:30] <Amaranth> dbrouwer: gnome-vfs has just hung. not much you can do about it except close the nautilus window and hope it doesn't next time
[10:30] <SeamusLP> Amaranth:  It's very nice looking however I need to be able to change my ports.  I get TV shows from torrentbytes and they require an alternate port for who knows what reason.
[10:30] <slappy16> hey all, how do you private message in irc?
[10:31] <slappy16> /whisper
[10:31] <Amaranth> SeamusLP: :/
[10:31] <slappy16> shit
[10:31] <dbrouwer> hmmm, it happens a lot
[10:31] <Amaranth> SeamusLP: I'll look into adding it. :)
[10:31] <dcraven> sobersabre, you are installing a theme or just changing to one that is already there?
[10:31] <sobersabre> slappy16,  you can /query
[10:31] <delire> makyo2 : " aconnectgui is a graphical utility to connect and disconnect two existing ports on ALSA sequencer system. "
[10:31] <slappy16> tnx
[10:31] <bwlang> anybody know how to rotate a pdf file?
[10:31] <sobersabre> dcraven, changing.
[10:31] <blstnb> it seems to be at least part working. sit0: unknown hardware address type 776 and vthen gives No DHCPOFFERS received
[10:31] <delire> makyo2: run 'aseqview' now
[10:31] <GameJunky> slappy16 /msg person or /query person
[10:31] <bwlang> mogrify -rotate 90 destroys the resolution...
[10:31] <dcraven> sobersabre, I'm not seeing any question marks... That sounds strange.
[10:32] <makyo2> delire command not found
[10:32] <cyphase> If you install modpython for apache in Ubuntu, do the python scripts have to be in the cgi-bin folder, or can they be anywhere?
[10:32] <cyphase> im pretty sure its everywhere, but im not positive..
[10:32] <jan> any suggestions?
[10:32] <sobersabre> dcraven, it is maybe perms problem... what should the permissions be on themes' folders ?
[10:32] <Amaranth> SeamusLP: This isn't my client, this is the official client. So it might take awhile if I can go it at all.
[10:32] <OFF> gn9
[10:32] <sobersabre> dcraven, i have upgraded from sarge.
[10:32] <SeamusLP> Amaranth:  The new version of the official client?
[10:32] <dcraven> sobersabre, let me see where the system themes are installed...
[10:32] <Amaranth> SeamusLP: yeah.
[10:33] <sobersabre> /usr/share/themes ... i think
[10:33] <delire> abarbaccia: maybe. i have very little understanding of this however.. http://linuxgazette.net/109/oregan3.html
[10:33] <abarbaccia> delire, got it - gotta install bluez-utils
[10:33] <SeamusLP> Amaranth:  There has to be a conf file I can edit...
[10:33] <delire> makyo2 ok, then install it. at some point you'll have to take the lead on this. these are essential tools for working with midi in linux. i use them alot myself.
[10:33] <delire> abarbaccia: cool ;)
[10:33] <dcraven> sobersabre, yeah that's them. Should have read/execute on the theme folders at least, and read on the contents.
[10:34] <k4rl> ok, I'm still having no luck finding any info in either support, the wiki, or google on setting up deadkeys, does anyone have a reference they could point me too?
[10:34] <dbrouwer> what tag editor does one recommend for Rythmbox/Gnome
[10:34] <dcraven> sobersabre, oh.. From sarge? Do you have the gnome-themes package installed?
[10:35] <dcraven> sobersabre, gnome-themes-extras has a few more too if you are interested.
[10:35] <makyo2> delire I'm glad you use midi, I need a lot of help there... hope you don't mind helping me
[10:35] <SeamusLP> Amaranth:  Oh shit, I feel stupid.  It lets you specify a starting port.  I think I'll use this client now :D
[10:35] <Amaranth> haha
[10:35] <djm62> blstnb: I'm not at your computer, so it's hard to tell....does "ifconfig" on its own tell you what interfaces are up?
[10:35] <goonie> can I mount my windows partition so I can access it on my dual boot machine?
[10:35] <djm62> goonie: yes, but you won't be able to write to NTFS
[10:36] <goonie> djm62~ that's ok, just need to access some files on occasion
[10:36] <delire> makyo2: it's late here, not for long sadly. join #alsa for more specific support
[10:37] <flipy> I still have the same question
[10:37] <flipy> how can I install ubuntu on a amd64 on-board raid chip based?
[10:37] <linuxn00b> hey I have a problem with flash. some websites I cant see any text. like at www.macromedia.com I can't see the text on the top bar.
[10:37] <beowu1f> anyone here connected to a wireless AP but cannot get there dhcpcd to start but yet can still connect to the net?
[10:37] <blstnb> yes it tells me that the card is there but not recieving any packets, and that the PCI card is ok
[10:37] <k4rl> fne, I'll jst use the mnu ption and get my dead keys that way.
[10:37] <promethe_> http://my.opera.com/promethe/affiliate/ <- can you help me, and enter this site?
[10:37] <promethe_> :)
[10:37] <makyo2> delire thanks... maybe other day... just one last thing, where can I find asqview? what repositorie?
[10:37] <promethe_> Only one time
[10:37] <flipy> beowu1f, you can't get dhcp? so why do you can connect to the net?
[10:37] <Amaranth> SeamusLP: Like I said, it's perfect. :)
[10:37] <djm62> blstnb: have you got two networks up simultaneously?
[10:38] <k4rl> but does anyone know how to use an US english keyboard to type letters beyond thedeadkeys?
[10:38] <k4rl> or how to get some more fine grained control over deadkeys?
[10:38] <djm62> delire: hydrogen is pretty good too
[10:38] <SeamusLP> Amaranth:  I'm inclined to agree, being a sort of a fan of clean GUIs.
[10:38] <beowu1f> flipy exactly.. that what i'm saying
[10:38] <delire> makyo2 it should be on your system now 'aseqview'
[10:39] <delire> djm62: ahah <checks>
[10:39] <makyo2> delire: I get command not found
[10:39] <dcraven> promethe_, what is that?
[10:39] <blstnb> no two cards else I cannot get on line and still check the wireless card at the same time
[10:39] <k4rl> because now I can't type 't without typing a space between the ' and the t, it isn't being smart enough to realise that I can't actually type an accented t, so it should just go ahead and do 't
[10:39] <delire> makyo2 you spelt it wrong above albeit.
[10:39] <flipy> beowu1f, try sudo dhclient
[10:39] <promethe_> Link to opera website - if you get 250 enters from diffrent IPs, you will get free code to run Opera
[10:39] <promethe_> So if it isn't problem - get there :)
[10:39] <djm62> blstnb: so eth0 is working, and you're trying to get ath0 working?
[10:39] <makyo2> delire aseqview
[10:39] <blstnb> yes thats right
[10:39] <dcraven> promethe_, please don't spam that crap in here.
[10:40] <makyo2> :~$ aseqview
[10:40] <makyo2> bash: aseqview: command not found
[10:40] <promethe_> Ok ;)
[10:40] <djm62> blstnb: running them simultaneously is confusing for both you and your machine ;)
[10:40] <delire> makyo2 : ok give me a moment. debian here. things are slightly bit different
[10:41] <blstnb> do you think that they maybe interfering with each other ?
[10:41] <blstnb> was able to have two working together under XP
[10:41] <djm62> blstnb: and me... you can take eth0 up and down with ifup eth0 and ifdown eth0
[10:41] <thenuke> does hoary have mp3-codes by default?
[10:42] <thenuke> my friend complains that xmms just frozes when he tries to play some mp3 from ntfs-partition
[10:42] <djm62> blstnb: you can have them simultaneously...although I'm not sure why you would
[10:42] <blstnb> ok i will try that and test again thanks
[10:42] <tremor_> thenuke: no, you need to install mpg123 or xmms-mad with libmad
[10:42] <eddyp> how do I submit a bug on the ppc live ubuntu iso?
[10:42] <tremor_> and, verify you are using the esd output plugin if you have the sound server enabled
[10:43] <dockane> zzzZZZ
[10:43] <djm62> blstnb: (all sudo) ifdown eth0; iwconfig ath0 essid NETGEAR; dhclient ath0; ping www.google.com;
[10:43] <beowu1f> dhcpcd daemon is NOT running in process list.. but yet i've got a IP assigned to wlan1 in ifconfig
[10:43] <beowu1f> flipy ?
[10:43] <dockane> 71.4 MB printing jo : zzzZZZ
[10:43] <dockane> *job
[10:43] <flipy> beowu1f, yes?
[10:43] <revelater> how do i ope .zip archives?
[10:43] <dockane> through lpt
[10:43] <beowu1f> dhcpcd daemon is NOT running in process list.. but yet i've got a IP assigned to wlan1 in ifconfig
[10:43] <flipy> flipy beowu1f, try sudo dhclient
[10:43] <revelater> how do i open .zip archives?
[10:43] <dcraven> revelater, file-roller?
[10:43] <delire> makyo2 what does 'lspci | grep audio' give you?
[10:44] <dave_> nyone know if u can play mp3'x
[10:44] <dave_> zoops
[10:44] <dcraven> revelater, apt-get install unzip if you don't have it, then file-roller will handle them.
[10:44] <tck> dave_, change the xmms plugins to esound in preferences
[10:44] <dave_> nyone know if u can play mp3'zoff a win box via xmms, like u can in winamp, without having them stored locally
[10:44] <beowu1f> mmm..no such service
[10:44] <blstnb> will have to drop out as whilst this is running cannot down eth0 Thanks
[10:44] <dave_> accidently pressed enter!
[10:45] <flipy> beowu1f, weird... but since you get an IP I think you should not worry about that
[10:45] <BuRn-X> how do i see what other networks are on my wireless ?
[10:45] <revelater> got it now, thanks
[10:45] <delire> iwlist eth1 scanning
[10:45] <flodine> what plugin do i need for mplayer
[10:45] <flodine> help
[10:45] <flipy> how can I browse a windows network?
[10:45] <makyo2> delire 0000:00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 02)
[10:45] <delire> BuRn-X: or whatever your wireless card is
[10:45] <goonie> anyone having problems with their ipw2200 on hoary?
[10:45] <blstnb> will come back and let you know thursday evening  many thanks for your time and patience
[10:45] <dcraven> dave_, xmms-mad.
[10:45] <delire> makyo2: i'm sorry.. no chance ;)
[10:45] <flipy> goonie, yes
[10:45] <flipy> goonie, better use ndiswrapper
[10:45] <makyo2> delire why?
[10:45] <djm62> blstnb: best of british :)
[10:45] <BuRn-X> ok.. is there a way to connect to that network autmatically without manual configuration >?
[10:45] <dave_> got that dcraven
[10:45] <flodine> well no one uses mplayer
[10:45] <flodine> wow
[10:45] <beowu1f> flipy connectoin is really bad though.. not constant
[10:45] <blstnb> thanks
[10:45] <fejaor> I'm having problems when I start ubuntu....I've isntalled Firestarter but once I start ubuntu, a popup message appears saying that I don't have administrator privileges in order to use Firestarter eventhough I'm the only user in this computer
[10:45] <delire> makyo2: that's an onboard card with no proper midi support.
[10:46] <xaotic> hi, does anyone know how to adjust the display of an external monitor? (laptop)
[10:46] <makyo2> delire eventhough it has midi/joysitck port?
[10:46] <delire> makyo2: you can however compile a kernel to include the raw_midi which will give you midi control.
[10:46] <dcraven> flodine, settle dude. Can you be more precise with your question?
[10:46] <goonie> flipy~ I was using ndiswrapper on warty and then I upgraded to hoary..I assumed I was still using ndiswrapper
[10:46] <flipy> beowu1f, try apt-get -i dhcp3-client
[10:46] <delire> makyo2: out of the box in ubuntu, i don't think so. you'll need to use this 'raw_midi'
[10:47] <flipy> goonie, do a sudo lsmod | grep -i ndiswrapper
[10:47] <makyo2> delire lsmod show this:
[10:47] <makyo2> snd_mpu401              6732  0
[10:47] <makyo2> snd_mpu401_uart         7680  1 snd_mpu401
[10:47] <makyo2> snd_seq_midi            8512  0
[10:47] <makyo2> snd_rawmidi            24480  2 snd_mpu401_uart,snd_seq_midi
[10:47] <dave_> also anyone know if im running the right kernel, autoconfigred at install? cos its the i386, on a celeron mobile proc, shudnt it be 586/or 686?
[10:47] <BuRn-X> delire is there a way to connect to that wireless network autmatically without manual configuration ?
[10:47] <xaotic> dave_: 686
[10:47] <fejaor> anyone??
[10:48] <goonie> flipy~ nothing happened
[10:48] <dave_> how can i change to the 686 instead of 386?
[10:48] <flipy> goonie, you're not using ndiswrapper then
[10:48] <yahalom>  anyone know if an ubuntu book has been published, such as an ubuntu bible (there is a fedora core 3 bible)
[10:48] <delire> BuRn-X: i wrote a stumbler program to do this. there are net stumblers for linux AFAIK
[10:48] <dave_> it will be fine as its a mobile celereon proc yeh?
[10:48] <goonie> flipy~ thx
[10:48] <flipy> dave_, sudo apt-get linux-686
[10:48] <dave_> right ta
[10:48] <dcraven> dave_, that's the default kernel. If you want, you can install linux-686.
[10:48] <dave_> ah i see
[10:48] <zoldar> hello all
[10:48] <fejaor> I'm having problems when I start ubuntu....I've isntalled Firestarter but once I start ubuntu, a popup message appears saying that I don't have administrator privileges in order to use Firestarter eventhough I'm the only user in this computer
[10:48] <dave_> thought it was running a bit slow ya see
[10:48] <delire> makyo2: hmm.. ok.. the module *is* there.. that's good. already compiled.
[10:48] <flipy> dave_, I recommend you to uninstall linux-386
[10:48] <delire> makyo2: i'm thinking
[10:49] <makyo2> delire I had to modprobe it
[10:49] <flipy> anyone here being able to boot using linux-2.6.11?
[10:49] <xaotic> fejaor: sudo firestarter should do
[10:49] <delire> makyo2: well try again !
[10:49] <delire> makyo2: you could be in luck
[10:49] <dave_> so i do sudo apt-get lininux-686  then uninstallt he 386?] 
[10:49] <makyo2> delire it doesnt load at boot
[10:49] <dcraven> flipy, never tried. That kernel is a little too immature.
[10:49] <xaotic> dave_: no, you have to remove manually
[10:49] <chicken_man> how do you run a telnet server in unix ?
[10:49] <delire> makyo2 edit /etc/modules to include what you want to load.
[10:49] <bwlang> flipy: yes - you've probably made some kind of config error.
[10:49] <delire> makyo2: just the names are fine
[10:50] <dave_> how do i do that and then change to the 686 kernel?
[10:50] <flipy> bwlang, no, I think I didn't do anything wrong
[10:50] <makyo2> delire I did that and then it loads but the audio is gone...
[10:50] <fejaor> that only opened firestarter
[10:50] <flipy> just apt-get the package
[10:50] <zoldar> is there something like searchable repository via www ? i mean something like on debian.org - you can look for particular files, not only packages... ?
[10:50] <flipy> and the kernel-headers
[10:50] <delire> makyo2: after a reboot?
[10:50] <djm62> zoldar: packages.ubuntu.com ?
[10:50] <makyo2> delire yes
[10:50] <zoldar> ok thanks
[10:50] <fejaor> I'm talking more about the privileges cause everytime I start ubuntu the same message popsup...eventhough Im the only users (i.e. administrator)
[10:50] <delire> makyo2: hmm. you need to tell that to crimsun. he is aware of this problem
[10:50] <chicken_man> any one know how to run a telnet server on unix ?
[10:50] <dockane> zoldar, sudo apt-cache search does it maybe
[10:50] <dave_> what are the headers called for apt get?
[10:50] <yahalom> or even just a simple guide
[10:50] <makyo2> delire it loads the mpu modules and snd_intel8x0 but there is no audio...
[10:50] <goonie> how can I determine the version of my ipw2200 driver?
[10:51] <xaotic> can anyone direct me to a good web site about external monitors under linux?
[10:51] <bwlang> flipy: i don't have time to help you now... but 2.6.11 does work...
[10:51] <dcraven> chicken_man, ssh is the norm. openssh-server will get it for you.
[10:51] <makyo2> delire I was looking for crimsum as a friend told me he could help me, but he seems to be away
[10:51] <yahalom> what is an internal monitor?
[10:51] <delire> makyo2: odd. did you try a 'depmod -ae' afterwards? that may help. (believe it or not this was the only thing that hoary broke).
[10:51] <flipy> bwlang, I get an kernel panic: not syncing
[10:51] <xaotic> yahalom: Notebook
[10:51] <djm62> xaotic: best googling linux external monitor "$YOUR_CARD"
[10:51] <fejaor> I'm talking more about the privileges cause everytime I start ubuntu the same message popsup...eventhough Im the only users (i.e. administrator)
[10:51] <delire> makyo2 afaik..
[10:51] <yahalom> xaotic: ah ok ;)
[10:52] <flipy> bwlang, oks sorry if you don't have time
[10:52] <delire> djm62: hehe $YOUR_CARD
[10:52] <xaotic> djm62: the monitor runs fine, i just cannot adjust the screen
[10:52] <djm62> floppy disks are starting to look really high-tech
[10:52] <dave_> apt-get comes back with an error when i try to apt-get linux-686, is that the right name?
[10:52] <dcraven> flipy, all of the file system stuff is compiled into the kernel?
[10:52] <flipy> dcraven, it's the ubuntu kernel
[10:53] <dave_> or cud i use the package manager?
[10:53] <dcraven> flipy, ouch.. Kernel panic with the Ubuntu stock?
[10:53] <delire> makyo2 after modprobing have you tried aconnectgui??
[10:53] <flipy> dcraven, yes
[10:53] <dcraven> dave_, try using synaptic.
[10:53] <djm62> dave_: the package manager is just an interface to apt...you can always use it
[10:53] <delire> makyo2: i think this should work now
[10:53] <fejaor> I'm having problems when I start ubuntu....I've isntalled Firestarter but once I start ubuntu, a popup message appears saying that I don't have administrator privileges in order to use Firestarter eventhough I'm the only user in this computer
[10:53] <xaotic> dave_: yes, you can, but the package should exist nontheless
[10:53] <dockane> djm62, there is still no real alternative for floppy isnt it ?
[10:53] <ritalin> how the hell do i disable gdm?
[10:53] <ritalin> I loathe it
[10:54] <dcraven> flipy, is the initrd still there? Have you done any modifications/deletions? Try reinstalling the kernel.
[10:54] <fejaor> I'm talking more about the privileges cause everytime I start ubuntu the same message popsup...eventhough Im the only users (i.e. administrator)
[10:54] <WhiteRabbit> ritalin, in the grub.conf
[10:54] <delire> ritalin the brutal way is removing /etc/init.d/gdm
[10:54] <makyo2> delire what is depmod -ae for?
[10:54] <delire> ritalin mv it to a different location..
[10:54] <dave_> package manager has come up with it
[10:54] <djm62> dockane: I absent-mindedly tried to switch a floppy on the other day...forgot it was inert media
[10:54] <xaotic> fejaor: sudo firestarter
[10:55] <dave_> how do i then get ubuntu to use that kernel and not the 386? how do i then remove the 386? via the package manager again? will i loose my settings?
[10:55] <delire> makyo2: it pull in all the modules that the loaded modules depend upon (in a general sense)
[10:55] <mainer> fjor: make desktop icon,just grag from system menu,right-click propertys,in command put 'sudo' or sudo su' in front of the command firestarter ,click o.k.,start again
[10:55] <WhiteRabbit> fejaor, http://www.fs-security.com/docs/faq.php#trayicon
[10:55] <xaotic> dave_: should be done automatically
[10:55] <flipy> dcraven, everything is there, installed some many times
[10:55] <dcraven> dave_, yeah, via the package manager.
[10:55] <delire> makyo2: try aconnectgui now after loading snd_seq_device snd_seq_midi
[10:56] <djm62> dave_: unless you're short of disk space, don't worry about getting rid of the other kernel...the bootloader will be automatically configured
[10:56] <dave_> cool, here i come for fast mobile computing
[10:56] <dave_> cool thats ok then
[10:56] <delire> makyo2 also snd_seq_oss just to be sure. put all those in /etc/modules afterwards..
[10:56] <dcraven> flipy, have you ever modified the menu.lst?
[10:57] <dave_> just gonna start putting ubuntu on one of my desktops now too mmm linux is taking over my network lol
[10:57] <delire> dave_: that's the spirit ;)
[10:57] <dcraven> dave_, happened to me a while back too.
[10:57] <goonie> how can I determine the version of my ipw2200 driver?
[10:57] <djm62> when it's good, it's good
[10:57] <makyo2> delire muse should be able to connect?
[10:57] <dcraven> dave_, my wife's node has yet to convert though.
[10:58] <dave_> its a distribution which finally doesnt confuse me too much! even vaguely started to get my wi-fi to work on the lappy too
[10:58] <delire> makyo2 yep && rosegarden, timidity.
[10:58] <flipy> dcraven, update-grub should do it, as it appears on the grub menu
[10:58] <delire> makyo2 did you try aconnectgui or not
[10:58] <djm62> I'd imagine (although that area isn't great atm) that chicks would dig ubuntu
[10:58] <xaotic> goonie: grep ipw2200 /var/log/dmesg
[10:58] <danko123456> does your guys xmms work in Hoary?
[10:58] <delire> dcraven: "like wolves amongst sheep, we walk among them"
[10:58] <dcraven> heh
[10:59] <makyo2> delire good! they seem to be connecting in aconnectgui
[10:59] <goonie> xaotic~ thx
[10:59] <nico_> danko123456, yes
[10:59] <dave_> fine but crashe's occaisionally
[10:59] <djm62> My ex got as far as making her own gtk theme...not to mention choosing the RL wallpaper
[10:59] <karl> danko: go into the xmms option
[10:59] <danko123456> mine does not work, as soon as I push play, it freezes.
[10:59] <karl> and change the output plugin
[10:59] <djm62> but ubuntu isn't actively ugly
[10:59] <delire> makyo2: great. make some notes. ubuntu (being a great distro) shipped all those modules precompiled and ready to go. to ensure they load edit /etc/modules
[11:00] <makyo2> delire Ill do that
[11:00] <dave_> anyone know if the nec 3500 and nec 3520 models of dvd-rw are supported?
[11:00] <delire> dave_ most are
[11:00] <danko123456> to the alsa one?
[11:00] <makyo2> delire but why is that whe I add mpu401 to load at boot then the audio card is dead?
[11:00] <delire> dave_ see 'k3d'
[11:00] <karl> danko: to esound
[11:00] <delire> *k3b..
[11:00] <dave_> what about packages for backing up dvds?
[11:00] <dave_> k3d, wassat?
[11:00] <delire> dave_ k3b is good.
[11:00] <danko123456> karl: wow, that worked!
[11:00] <djm62> or gnomebaker
[11:00] <dave_> wassit tho?
[11:01] <danko123456> Awesome.
[11:01] <dave_> go gnomebaker
[11:01] <dave_> *got
[11:01] <delire> or that..
[11:01] <karl> danko: yeah, I had the same prob
[11:01] <kakalto> dave_,  a frontend for cdrecord & all that
[11:01] <flipy> dave_, graveman is the best
[11:01] <danko123456> How about the gnome baker, why wont that open for me?
[11:01] <karl> danko: no idea
[11:01] <xaotic> just curious: does nautilus-cd-burner support dvd burning?
[11:01] <rightcoast> Ok , I am back. I might have narrowed down my connentivity issue
[11:01] <danko123456> unexpectedly closes?
[11:01] <danko123456> no ?
[11:01] <rightcoast> I have a tulip driver install for the nic now after the upgrade
[11:01] <danko123456> karl: thanks a lot.
[11:01] <fejaor> thanks a lot :D
[11:01] <dave_> got clonedvd2 on the desktop box which is good, no complaints and a backup in 30mins
[11:01] <karl> np
[11:01] <WillCooke> any OpenOffice gurus in?!
[11:01] <delire> makyo2: i'd say because it competes with ALSA's midi interface
[11:01] <dave_> so gaveman u rekon?
[11:01] <rightcoast> I remember it being dmfe, is that possible?
[11:02] <danko123456> thats a big difference, no music, and yes music:0
[11:02] <danko123456> :)
[11:02] <dave_> does it support css key decryption?
[11:02] <makyo2> delire any idea how to solve that?
[11:02] <delire> makyo2: really that's only any good for serial joysticks AFAIK
[11:02] <P2OG> I just tried Ubuntu Live CD and *love* it but the Video Player doesn't work with 90% of my vids
[11:02] <delire> makyo2: to ensure it doesn't load?
[11:02] <sobersabre> evolution q. on ubuntu. what is the word "weather" for in the left pane of evolution ?
[11:02] <WhiteRabbit> P2OG, you need a codecs package.
[11:02] <WillCooke> p20g> Totem?  I hate it! Mplayer is the truth and the light.
[11:02] <xaotic> P2OG: because of totem-gstreamer
[11:03] <danko123456> Is there .wmv support in Totem?
[11:03] <djm62> P2OG: proprietary formats...the code for them can't be distributed freely
[11:03] <makyo2> delire: do you know if usb midi ports are working in ubuntu?
[11:03] <P2OG> ok djm great
[11:03] <P2OG> so all i have to do is atp-get install mplayer?
[11:03] <P2OG> or?
[11:03] <xaotic> or totem-xine
[11:03] <danko123456> WillCooke: which libs should I install for Mplayer to work well?
[11:03] <makyo2> delire: I have an usb midi keyboard but there are not controllers for linux, so I want to try to use it via midi
[11:03] <djm62> P2OG: you can use them, but for ubuntu to distribute them would cause problems...you need to add repositories
[11:03] <P2OG> I'm currently using Ark Linux [www.arklinux.org] 
[11:03] <P2OG> ok
[11:03] <rightcoast> Is it hard to change my nic driver from tulip to dmfe? I remember it having something to with modprobe I think, but I forget how.
[11:03] <delire> makyo2: over serial?
[11:04] <makyo2> delire: I have a cheap Miditech Midistduio-2
[11:04] <P2OG> Well I know that eventually I will be switching over to Ubuntu
[11:04] <dockane> P2OG, www.ubuntuguide.org helps with a few video codecs
[11:04] <delire> makyo2: hmm.. just a moment
[11:04] <P2OG> just so nice
[11:04] <P2OG> ok dockane
[11:04] <makyo2> delire: over serial or maybe I should buy a M-Audio usb midi interface
[11:04] <dcraven> rightcoast, modprobe -r tulip and modprobe dmfe
[11:04] <danko123456> which libs should I install for Mplayer to work well?
[11:04] <WillCooke> danko123456, Install the "essential" codecs pack, and perhaps the "other binary" codecs for completeness
[11:04] <rightcoast> thanks dcraven
[11:04] <danko123456> well, you mean all from their website?
[11:04] <rightcoast> Ill try that
[11:04] <WillCooke> danko, oh, sorry, libs, no codecs. well...
[11:05] <WillCooke> no = not
[11:05] <danko123456> Yeah, those Libjpg, and what not.
[11:05] <dave_> so anyone know if there are linux packages for css decryption and dvd shrinking to single layer instead of dual
[11:05] <dave_> ?
[11:05] <danko123456> I had installed it once, a buddy wrote a list.
[11:05] <WillCooke> danko123456, you just just install from apt.  Search the forums, there are loads of howtos
[11:05] <djm62> decss there is...
[11:05] <djm62> famously
[11:05] <mainer> sorry dave,lost bookies,try google
[11:05] <danko123456> WillCooke: thanks.
[11:05] <xaotic> dave_: look for marillat
[11:05] <danko123456> Ill do that.
[11:06] <djm62> dave_: I don't know about the layers
[11:06] <fejaor> How do I install the drivers for a Voice Fax out of an Installation CD??
[11:06] <flipy> how can I connect to a windows network and browse the computers?
[11:06] <dave_> will have to do some investigation
[11:06] <WillCooke> Does anyone know how to stop openoffice from opening certain types of files in what it considers to be the best for the job?
[11:06] <dave_> need to find out if firmware upgrades can be done in linux too
[11:07] <WillCooke> I've got a conf file I *need* to open as a spread sheet but it insisits on opening it as text in the Worm Processor
[11:07] <dave_> ethernet connection flipy?
[11:07] <delire> makyo2: all devices with midi over USB should work.
[11:07] <djm62> flipy: Places->Network Servers?
[11:07] <dave_> are u using dhcp on ure router? if so shud just work
[11:07] <delire> makyo2: try 'modprobe usb-midi'
[11:08] <dave_> mine did
[11:08] <flipy> no
[11:08] <dave_> :D
[11:08] <flipy> it's not working
[11:08] <djm62> delire: through jack or alsa? this stuff confuses me
[11:08] <flipy> it sees the network
[11:08] <flipy> but I can't browse it
[11:08] <danko123456> WillCooke: its a .conf?
[11:08] <delire> djm62: usb-midi is neither
[11:08] <flipy> however, if I run the smbclient and look for a host I can see the shared directories
[11:08] <makyo2> delire: AFAIK only midi usb with EZ USB works
[11:08] <delire> djm62: it's an independent module that takes midi notes over usb
[11:08] <jcole> i can't log into gnome after my last upgrade... logged into xfce now... anything i don't know? also, loading any type of gnome app takes a really long time or doesn't even load... kde logs in just fine too
[11:08] <dave_> mine does that sometime flipy but works 99% of the time
[11:09] <delire> makyo2: nope.. All USB MIDI devices from Roland/Edirol, Evolution, M-Audio/Midiman, and
[11:09] <delire> all devices with standard MIDI ports (Doepfer etc.)
[11:09] <WillCooke> danko123456, Yes, but... it's all colon-seperated, and I want to be able to import it as a spreadsheet and then split it at the colons, then export one column
[11:09] <fejaor> How do I install the drivers for a Voice Fax out of an Installation CD??
[11:09] <jcole> i'm using breezy
[11:09] <delire> makyo2: i've used a few different types.
[11:09] <Njal> Breezy's testing already?
[11:09] <djm62> jcole: breezy is unstable
[11:09] <flipy> dave_, any hints on that?
[11:09] <delire> makyo2 including the midiman but that requires firmware
[11:09] <jcole> djm62: you don't say
[11:09] <djm62> jcole: best option is to wait for the next upgrade
[11:09] <Njal> I will
[11:10] <danko123456> WillCooke: Ill try...
[11:10] <rightcoast> I think modprobe -r tulip removed the drive. But modprobe dmfe did not replace it. Eth1 is no longer listed
[11:10] <makyo2> delire modprobe usb_midi loaded fine
[11:10] <Njal> Usually wait till about a month before its due then add the repos
[11:10] <dave_> nope but when i figure out whats causing it ill tell u, i may just try pulling the plug out and putting it in again therefore forcing the router to refresh the dhcp
[11:10] <WillCooke> danko123456, cheers buddy!
[11:10] <danko123456> :)
[11:10] <jcole> maybe i should dist-downgrade
[11:10] <makyo2> delire should just turn on my keyboard?
[11:10] <flipy> dave_, it's a wireless lan
[11:10] <delire> makyo2: i would do this..
[11:10] <dazed> jcole can u dist-downgrade?
[11:10] <delire> makyo2: as follows 'tail -f /var/log/syslog | grep usb'
[11:10] <BB|Timsan> Hello, again, you said to me that i should create a new drive to install Ubuntu on because i have WinXP on C: and that my only drive atm, should i make the upcoming Ext2 drive Logical och primary?
[11:10] <dave_> ah u didnt say, is ure card supported, and appearing in net config?
[11:11] <fejaor> How do I install the drivers for a Voice Fax out of an Installation CD??
[11:11] <dockane> i ve got an iiyama e481 and _no dvi (which is a shame). is there somebody who can recommend a _passive graphics card with dvi ?
[11:11] <delire> makyo2: and then turn on and plug in your keyboard.
[11:11] <flipy> dave_, well, I'm using it to connect to the net
[11:11] <danko123456> 2100B/s...wtf?
[11:11] <delire> makyo2: do you have familiarity with Pure Data or MaxMSP?
[11:11] <dave_> ah
[11:11] <Njal> Can ubuntu be changed to use Reiser?
[11:11] <k4rl> if I edit my keyboard layouts via system->preferences, where are those saved?
[11:11] <dave_> errrrm
[11:11] <danko123456> my conneccion is being muy slow.
[11:11] <delire> mas mal
[11:11] <flipy> xDDD
[11:11] <danko123456> Njal: I would think so...
[11:12] <danko123456> Io agree.
[11:12] <dave_> hmm
[11:12] <flipy> danko123456 delire espaoles?
[11:12] <dave_> dunno
[11:12] <dave_> cant think of anything now
[11:12] <Njal> know how?
[11:12] <dockane> is it possible how many mb of a print job has been already transferred ?
[11:12] <danko123456> No, pero like to speak a little sometimes...
[11:12] <danko123456> :)
[11:12] <BB|Timsan>  Hello, again, you said to me that i should create a new drive to install Ubuntu on because i have WinXP on C: and that my only drive atm, should i make the upcoming Ext2 drive Logical och primary?
[11:12] <dockane> *to see
[11:12] <dave_> yay my desktop is now ubuntu'fied
[11:12] <djm62> Njal: yeah...changing the filesystem already on the disk could be nasty
[11:12] <danko123456> Njal: well, just choose that at install.
[11:12] <danko123456> Right Guyse?
[11:12] <makyo2> delire hablas espaniol?
[11:12] <Njal> Fairy snuff
[11:12] <ek_> My firefox 1.0.2 on hoary crashes when i press return in the address field or the search field, does anyone have a clue to why?
[11:12] <danko123456> No e.
[11:12] <dave_> now to install some sh*t
[11:12] <flipy> yo si xDDDD
[11:12] <delire> flipy no ;)
[11:12] <jcole> dazed: cat sources.list | sed s/breezy/hoary/g > sources.list;  apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:13] <flipy> delire, italiano?
[11:13] <kaesehummer> what would I need to do to change my default desktop?
[11:13] <delire> flipy: no si ;)
[11:13] <djm62> BB|Timsan: I think primary
[11:13] <flipy> xDDD
[11:13] <Njal> Apt-get kde (or whatever)
[11:13] <Amaranth> jcole: That won't downgrade to hoary.
[11:13] <makyo2> delire I have to mention that I have an M-Audio Duo connected also
[11:13] <delire> flipy: i have a spanish grrlfriend
[11:13] <BB|Timsan> Ok
[11:13] <danko123456> Njal: I dont really understand your question, but, I think that is how I would try that...
[11:13] <djm62> jcole: um....I seriously don't think that will work
[11:13] <flipy> delire, wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwow
[11:13] <flipy> delire, the cutest in the world right? ;)
[11:13] <Fulg> does ubuntu use ipw2200 ?
[11:14] <makyo2> delire: this is what I get when I plug my keyboard: Apr 19 17:12:11 localhost kernel: usb 7-2: new full speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 3
[11:14] <delire> makyo2: hmm that will work fine
[11:14] <delire> flipy: muy bien ;)
[11:14] <makyo2> delire: yes, that is working fine
[11:14] <Fulg> or what does it use for laptop wireless connections ?
[11:14] <dazed>  whats everyone up to today
[11:14] <danko123456> WillCooke: Still downloading something...
[11:14] <delire> makyo2: gret..
[11:14] <flipy> delire, :)
[11:14] <Njal> My question was can i change from ext2 to Reiser but its apparently gona be hard so i cant be bothered
[11:14] <jcole> Amaranth: why not? i've downgraded debian sid to sarge... how is it different?
[11:14] <dave_> right off to see if the new kernel works is it the 686 kernel for P4's?
[11:14] <makyo2> delire: and now?
[11:14] <fejaor> How do I install the drivers for a Voice Fax out of an Installation CD??
[11:14] <dave_> does it support hyper threading?
[11:14] <danko123456> You mean reformat a hard while still working with it?
[11:14] <Amaranth> jcole: It doesn't downgrade, it just stops upgrading.
[11:14] <Foodcoman> I thought I would watch the masters work!   =)
[11:14] <kakalto> does anyone know of an isobuster program for linux?
[11:14] <kakalto> a free isobuster program, I mean?
[11:14] <delire> makyo2: ok.. start up your favourite midi sequencer (timidity, rosegarden et al) and try some input
[11:15] <zoldar> anybody knows some site with nice hires free wallpapers ? =)
[11:15] <djm62> Njal: changing partition types is difficult: if you have spare space you can copy data across and resize
[11:15] <camcorder> kakaltp: isbustler program?
[11:15] <danko123456> Hmm,...I dont know of many free Linux programs...;)
[11:15] <makyo2> delire: should the midi keybord show in jack?
[11:15] <delire> makyo2: use aconnectgui to ensure that the notes are being received however
[11:15] <dave_> yeh
[11:15] <delire> makyo2 no
[11:15] <Njal> Id rather not bother then
[11:15] <djm62> zoldar: art.gnome.org (spot the running theme there)
[11:15] <dave_> cognitivedistortion.com
[11:15] <kaesehummer> what would I need to do to change my default desktop?
[11:15] <kakalto> or could I just use "mount -o loop iso9660 source destination" ?
[11:15] <ollonbrus> hi, i managed to destroy my x-configuration - i know how to fix it manually, but i'm lazy and the install managed to get it perfect, how can i redo the configuration done during install?
[11:15] <Njal> Im just learning Linux (said that for over a year now)
[11:15] <danko123456> Right, I agree, Njal.
[11:15] <Fulg> how can i see what module is using the ubuntu for my wireless connection???????
[11:15] <djm62> zoldar: deviantart IIRC
[11:15] <danko123456> No real need to do it...
[11:15] <makyo2> delire aconnectgui is not showing the usb keyboard
[11:16] <zoldar> thanks dave :)
[11:16] <BB|Timsan> Anybody who knows Partition magic 7.0 and could guide me to create a new drive out of my primary C: ?
[11:16] <delire> makyo2: hmm (thinks)
[11:16] <dave_> good weird sh*t on there
[11:16] <makyo2> delire: I got to go... are you ofen around here?
[11:16] <kakalto> anyone?
[11:16] <Fulg> how can i see what module is using ubuntu for my wireless connection???????my connection works but on a new kernel it doesnt!!!!
[11:16] <kakalto> please?
[11:16] <dave_> right im offski if i dont come back i broke it
[11:16] <djm62> delire: isn't that the point of jack? low-latency pipelines for audio apps
[11:16] <delire> makyo2: just startup rosegarden or timidity
[11:16] <danko123456> kakalto...
[11:16] <fejaor> anyone??
[11:16] <ollonbrus> kakalto: what do you want to do?
[11:16] <fejaor> How do I install the drivers for a Voice Fax out of an Installation CD??
[11:16] <delire> makyo2: on anf off. try me
[11:16] <danko123456> Whats that program do?
[11:16] <delire> djm62: yep it is
[11:16] <dockane> Njal, i am 'learning' linux since 4 years and still doing my first steps
[11:17] <delire> djm62: actually some see it as quite an innovation in the area of digital sound on the desktop altogether.
[11:17] <danko123456> fejaor: drivers for a Fax, from the Ubuntu install CD?
[11:17] <BB|Timsan> Anybody who knows Partition magic 7.0 and could guide me to create a new drive out of my primary C: ?
[11:17] <kakalto> I want either an isobuster program, or does that command work aswell?
[11:17] <makyo2> delire: got ot go... see you later, thank you for your help! I hope I can find you tomorrow
[11:17] <Njal> Got any good personal kernel tips as thats where i seem to be going in life C and Linux to me = Kernel
[11:17] <delire> makyo2: anytime
[11:17] <djm62> BB|Timsan: I can't help you there, but I suspect google can
[11:17] <ollonbrus> you want to mount an iso image?
[11:17] <makyo2> delir: see u
[11:17] <danko123456> BB|Timsan: you mean the GUI?
[11:17] <Fulg> how can i see what module is using ubuntu for my wireless connection???????my connection works but on a new kernel it doesnt!!!!
[11:17] <delire> bye
[11:17] <BB|Timsan> Thank you
[11:17] <danko123456> whas a ISO busteR?
[11:18] <camcorder> kakalto: you can mount any .iso (9660) w/ mount -t loop filename.iso /mnt/point
[11:18] <Njal> Fulg Modprobe <whatever>
[11:18] <BB|Timsan> Danko : the GUI ?
[11:18] <djm62> delire: when the apps are *solid* gold...my bro does sound engineering and he says not quite there
[11:18] <delire> camcorder: gotta love that..
[11:18] <Fulg> but i dunno what that whatever is
[11:18] <danko123456> is it a GUI program?
[11:18] <danko123456> does it have a GUI?
[11:18] <Njal> oh
[11:18] <Fulg> i dunno what driver uses ubuntu
[11:18] <Fulg> to install it on the other kernel
[11:18] <ollonbrus> kakalto: you want to mount an iso image? then just use mount -o loop -t iso9660 *.iso /mount/point
[11:18] <kakalto> thanks, camcorder
[11:19] <camcorder> well it's -o loop sorry :P
[11:19] <BB|Timsan> I got Drive C: whith WinXP pro and want to create a drive (X:) so i can run linux on it, anybody who could help me ?
[11:19] <danko123456> kakalto: http://ubuntuguide.org has that...
[11:19] <ollonbrus> :D
[11:19] <jcole> Amaranth: hmm, i think you're right... i think i had to add a version to apt-get dist-upgrade or something
[11:19] <BB|Timsan> Yes it's
[11:19] <djm62> delire: otoh, jack and ladspa might make it easy enough to whip up Reason in PyGTK in the next couple of months ;)
[11:19] <kakalto> danko123456, I'm finding out for a friend
[11:19] <ollonbrus> Anyone know how to use the automated xorg configurator used during install?
[11:19] <delire> djm62: he uses ardour? it's not there yet no. that said Linux is huge in Hollywood/disney et al, and they all run big proprietary suites like Maya etc. perhaps the same will happen in audio, port of Logic etc. not that i'd use them being purist at heart.
[11:19] <danko123456> kakalto: it has it on there.
[11:19] <delire> djm62: hehe
[11:19] <Njal> What do people think of hotplug kernels?
[11:20] <delire> djm62: nice project.
[11:20] <danko123456> That page has a lot of info on common tasks
[11:20] <danko123456> its in the topic.
[11:20] <WillCooke> njal, hotplug bent my wookie! I've disabled it on my hoary machine becuase of USB issues.
[11:20] <djm62> delire: he knows protools, and tried ardour, and thought it was "almost"
[11:20] <Njal> Its a lil more complicated than that
[11:20] <jcole> well, crap
[11:20] <danko123456> brb
[11:21] <fejaor> no
[11:21] <BB|Timsan> I got Drive C: whith WinXP pro and want to create a drive (X:) so i can run linux on it, anybody who could help me ?
[11:21] <Fulg> hey
[11:21] <jcole>  /j #ubuntu-devel
[11:21] <fejaor> it's from a cd that comes with the fax
[11:21] <Fulg> can anybody help or not ?
[11:21] <fejaor> it is compatible with linux
[11:21] <Njal> the kernel stored on a hotplug device so in kernel panic theres less faffing about
[11:21] <djm62> fejaor: have you put the CD in the drive?
[11:21] <delire> djm62: i haven't done professional mastering, but i have mastered a few friends albums with ardour.
[11:21] <] BreliC[> djm62, ardour still has lots of usability issues.  but it has a lot of promise.  the whole notion of JACK is quite well thought out
[11:21] <Njal> and in theory there are 2 hotplug kernels one on one off
[11:21] <delire> djm62: studied acoustics for a while albeit.
[11:21] <fejaor> yes
[11:21] <drspin> OK - went and bought a new HD today and I'm going to reinstall Hoary from scrathc -- quick question -- I've already partitioned the drive -- what are the fstab options so that any user can read/write to it?
[11:22] <djm62> yeah, infrastructure looks like nothing
[11:22] <Fulg> hellooooo
[11:22] <thenuke> Fulg: google out the module what you need.
[11:22] <Njal> so when one fails the other starts up
[11:22] <djm62> but it's important
[11:22] <Fulg> thenuke,
[11:22] <Fulg> i dunno what i need
[11:22] <danko123456> hey,, WillCooke: I got it to open in gnumeric...if that helps...
[11:22] <farruinn> drspin: I think you want simply users in the options column
[11:22] <danko123456> a .conf file that is.
[11:22] <Fulg> the wireless its working here
[11:22] <thenuke> Fulg: well, if you know what brand and model your wlan is
[11:22] <drspin> farruinn: easy enough - thanks
[11:22] <thr1ce> anyone running breezy ?
[11:22] <fejaor> is already in
[11:22] <WillCooke> danko123456, Nice one.  I'll have a look.  at the moment I've made a copy and renamed the extenstion
[11:22] <Fulg> i wanna know what uses linux to make it work
[11:22] <dazed> thr1ce:  is breazy out for preview yet?
[11:23] <BB|Timsan> I got Drive C: whith WinXP pro and want to create a drive (X:) so i can run linux on it, anybody who could help me ?
[11:23] <delire> thr1ce: jesus man!
[11:23] <thr1ce> dazed, just repositories
[11:23] <thr1ce> it runs fine here!
[11:23] <delire> these kids, they just can't get enough
[11:23] <danko123456> heh, thats a good idea too, I guess..
[11:23] <danko123456> not really..
[11:23] <dazed> thr1ce: ahh ok
[11:23] <kakalto> good for you, thr1ce
[11:23] <danko123456> actually, what did you reename it to?
[11:23] <danko123456> a .xls?
[11:23] <Foodcoman> Fulg: I googled Ubuntu modprobe wireless with lots of good hits.
[11:23] <thr1ce> kakalto, being sarcastic ?
[11:23] <delire> thr1ce: working ok>
[11:23] <danko123456> thats xml, I dont know if that will work.
[11:23] <delire> thr1ce.. ?
[11:23] <fejaor> it has a folder called Linux
[11:23] <fejaor> but now what?
[11:23] <karl> I found very straight forward instructions in installing beagle 0.0.9 and mono 1.1.4-1 on hoary here http://beaglewiki.org/index.php/UbuntuInstall if anyone is interested
[11:23] <thr1ce> yeah...pretty stable
[11:23] <BB|Timsan> I got Drive C: whith WinXP pro and want to create a drive (X:) so i can run linux on it, anybody who could help me ?
[11:23] <djm62> fejaor: is there a file called README?
[11:23] <kakalto> thr1ce, not at all, I might upgrade to breezy soon ;)
[11:23] <dave_> gud gud the 686 kernel works, still a bit slow tho
[11:24] <Foodcoman> Fulg: Include your Wireless adapter brand in your searches
[11:24] <thr1ce> it complained about a fontconfig, but I can't notice anything
[11:24] <danko123456> whats that partition called?
[11:24] <danko123456> qtparted?
[11:24] <thr1ce> kakalto, aah, ok; hard for me to tell; sorry :P
[11:24] <delire> dave_: hehe poor CPU
[11:24] <danko123456> BB|Timsan: get QTPARTED, I think thats the nname.
[11:24] <dave_> yup
[11:24] <delire> danko123456: it is
[11:24] <danko123456> so, cabn he try that?
[11:24] <fejaor> yeap
[11:24] <kakalto> thr1ce, no need to apologize :)
[11:24] <delire> danko123456: yep. good suggestion
[11:24] <dave_> well cant complain i spose a 2.2ghz celereon, 256 ram and 30gb hd for 350
[11:25] <Fulg> its a Intel PRO/Wireless 2200BG
[11:25] <Fulg> what can i use for that
[11:25] <dave_> can i tweak it anyhow to make it any faster?
[11:25] <delire> dave_: is it slow to boot or to run (or both).
[11:25] <kent> Do stable ubuntu-releases get bugfixes or do they only get security-fixes?
[11:25] <djm62> fejaor: as a first step...I suggest you read the file called README
[11:25] <danko123456> http://qtparted.sourceforge.net/
[11:25] <danko123456> BB|Timsan: http://qtparted.sourceforge.net/
[11:25] <fejaor> I does not open at all
[11:25] <dave_> both i wud say, opening windows and suchlike
[11:25] <thenuke> Fulg: http://www.google.com/search?hl=fi&q=Intel+PRO/Wireless+2200BG+ubuntu&spell=1
[11:25] <dave_> bit slow on boot too
[11:26] <delire> dave_: gnome?
[11:26] <djm62> fejaor: open it from gedit
[11:26] <dave_> aye
[11:26] <BB|Timsan> Thank you but does QTPARTED really work on Win ?
[11:26] <danko123456> delire: heh, its a Linux program.
[11:26] <danko123456> no, sorry, it seems not...
[11:26] <delire> dave_: i would consider http://www.xfce.org/
[11:26] <dave_> is it the 686 smp kernel for p4 with hyper threading?
[11:26] <dave_> hmm wassat gui?
[11:26] <delire> dave_: are you running the wrong kernel?
[11:27] <cavediver> Is there a gui program for converting movies from different formats and for instance encode vobfiles to xvid.
[11:27] <kakalto> is anyone else having no troubles with gfx cards, but GL Screensavers won't work?
[11:27] <BB|Timsan> Well i could use Partition magic which i got but it wont work ><
[11:27] <dave_> 686 on this one, 2.2ghz celeron mobile
[11:27] <delire> dave_: cavediver i use the 'transcode' suite for this. i believe there are guis
[11:27] <cavediver> delire: really ?
[11:28] <dave_> just wundering what kernel to use on the dektop, 3ghx P4 with hyper threading
[11:28] <delire> cavediver: perhaps kmenc15 - An advanced Qt/KDE MEncoder frontend
[11:28] <Fulg> how do i download without installing a source with apt-get ?????????????????
[11:28] <P2OG> Synaptic
[11:28] <confrey> hi everybody
[11:28] <dave_> transcode suite? what?
[11:28] <mcphail> kakalto: you have the non-free drivers installed?
[11:28] <cavediver> delire: can't find that package
[11:28] <tahorg> Fulg: --download-only
[11:29] <delire> Fulg: apt-get -d install <package>
[11:29] <delire> tahorg: same diff i guess ;)
[11:29] <kakalto> mcphail, nvidia -- is that non-free?
[11:29] <delire> yes
[11:29] <cavediver> found gtranscode, but it was not installable.
[11:29] <tahorg> delire: same option yes
[11:29] <delire> cavediver: have you updated first?
[11:29] <mcphail> kakalto: no idea - i'm using ATI
[11:29] <delire> cavediver: apt-get update && apt-get install gtranscode
[11:29] <confrey> crimsun, hi, delire told me to speak with you, about midi and fkuidsynth problems...
[11:30] <mcphail> kakalto: you getting decent fps on glxgears?
[11:30] <dave_> so is it the 686-smp kernel for p4 with HT? as it appears in win as two processors
[11:30] <kakalto> I don't know
[11:30] <cavediver> delire: yes. The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[11:30] <kakalto> mcphail, yes
[11:30] <cavediver>   gtranscode: Depends: transcode but it is not installable
[11:30] <cavediver> E: Broken packages
[11:30] <flipy> I've inserted a game CD into the cd-rom and not it keeps spining and I can't access it
[11:30] <flipy> it's a windows game
[11:30] <danko123456> heh
[11:30] <kakalto> mcphail, although it's slowing down
[11:30] <danko123456> WoW
[11:31] <danko123456> does it spin real fast?
[11:31] <mcphail> kakalto: slowing down?
[11:31] <kakalto> flipy, have you got cedega?
[11:31] <danko123456> like, over 24x?
[11:31] <flipy> kakalto, and point2play
[11:31] <kakalto> ohk
[11:31] <dave_> and the 686 is definately right for mobile celerons?
[11:31] <danko123456> k, Im out.
[11:31] <delire> cavediver: and what does apt-get install transcode do?
[11:31] <kakalto> mcphail, then it sped up agai
[11:31] <flipy> just spins for a seconds and stop
[11:31] <danko123456> WillCooke: hope that worked for you!!!
[11:31] <flipy> and keeps running like that
[11:31] <cavediver> V/msg delire wait
[11:32] <kakalto> can ubuntu be installed in only 1gb ?
[11:32] <WillCooke> danko123456, yes, thanks buddy!
[11:32] <confrey> delire, hi, crimsun - it seems- is not here, do you know something about jachd and qjackctl?
[11:32] <WillCooke> kakalto, if you choose the "server" version
[11:33] <flipy> I'll reboot
[11:33] <delire> confrey: yep what's up
[11:34] <diyojen> Hi everyone
[11:34] <diyojen> How can i install xawtv for ubuntu Live
[11:35] <macdan> ah
[11:35] <macdan> i'm installing ubuntu now
[11:35] <diyojen> or tvtime
[11:35] <fejaor> still have no idea on how to install the drivers
[11:35] <macdan> had some trouble with LILO
[11:35] <fejaor> I read the readme file but is to vague on the instructions
[11:35] <^thehatsrule^> diyojen, im not sure.. but try increasing your ramdisk
[11:35] <pr3vi0uz> i have an question is this an rpm base distro?
[11:35] <delire> macdan: what's up?
[11:36] <^thehatsrule^> no
[11:36] <macdan> i installed Ubuntu on sec-slave, MDK/win is on sec-master, so is LILO, LILO giving me a hard time about "Setup Length exceeds 31 maximum, kernel setup will overwrite boot loader" :S
[11:36] <^thehatsrule^> its debian based pr3vi0uz
[11:36] <pr3vi0uz>  nice :)
[11:36] <^thehatsrule^> apt-get is your soul :P
[11:36] <fejaor> heeelllpppp
[11:36] <pr3vi0uz>  hehe
[11:36] <macdan> i'm going through the installer again and going to look for an "install grub/lilo on this hard disc, not the master" option since i can switch in the BIOS ;)
[11:36] <diyojen> i dont know how to use apt-get command
[11:37] <dave_> using the 686smp kernel on my p4 system, it starts ok but comes up with missing command to run error and you must be root to use this or something error so is it not the snmp and jsut the 686 kernel?
[11:37] <diyojen> can i find xawtv on-line_?
[11:37] <^thehatsrule^> apt-get update
[11:37] <matt_> i need help
[11:37] <^thehatsrule^> i think youd be better off using synaptic, if you like gui's
[11:37] <enntee> Hello, I'm having some trouble running bittorrent. I get this error when trying to run btdownloadheadless or btdownloadgui: "ImportError: No module named BitTorrent"
[11:38] <matt_> can anyone tell me how to get limewire running
[11:38] <b2s> hey, does anyone like rhythmbox, and if so, why?
[11:38] <pr3vi0uz>  so im guessing is close too  running Knoppix correct i been running  that distro for some time now  and thats debian base
[11:38] <dave_> done with both kernels booting now either one, is says "error, you must run this programs as the root user" and "error, missign command to run" i ahvent clicked anything yet
[11:38] <b2s> matt_: you need java installed.  If you get that installed then limewire shouldn't be too hard.
[11:38] <matt_> ok
[11:38] <matt_> how do i install java
[11:39] <b2s> enntee: that means it can't find its libraries
[11:39] <enntee> b2s: i like rhythmbox
[11:39] <matt_> do i donwload the 100 mb file
[11:39] <enntee> b2s: how do i fix it?
[11:39] <matt_> form java.sun.com
[11:39] <akurashy> hello i need fast help before i freak out :(
[11:39] <akurashy> my ubuntu changed resolution to 600 x 400
[11:39] <enntee> b2s: rhythmbox is cool mostly because i have a huge library and i need a search function.. the 0.9 branch has also been getting a lot of love lately and there's some really cool new features in the pipeline.
[11:39] <akurashy> and i can't change it
[11:39] <b2s> matt_: see ubuntuguide.org/#jre
[11:39] <bzbb> I'm having a juk problem
[11:39] <fejaor> anyone that can help me with the installation of the drivers for a Voice modem??
[11:40] <bzbb> I set the output to gstreamer to test a plugin, and it crashed
[11:40] <b2s> or actually, just ubuntuguide
[11:40] <pr3vi0uz>  let me corect myself i been running this distro KANOTIX
[11:40] <bzbb> now, when I launch it, it crashes with a signal 6
[11:41] <b2s> enntee: interesting.  For me (with my mp3s sorted and mostly lacking id tags) I found it extremely hard to find the songs I was looking for
[11:41] <matt_> thats just fed me up
[11:41] <fejaor> anyone that can help me with the installation of the drivers for a Voice modem??
[11:41] <stevenj> for some reason...everyday the automatic updater tells me that acroread (acrobat) has an update-I have updated for 2 days now and its looks to be same version...any ideas???
[11:41] <kakalto> does anyone know of an easy to install, easy to use desktop linux distro that could be installed on less than 1.5gb of space?
[11:41] <enntee> b2s: yeah, it's not as good at finding songs by filename as by id3 tags
[11:41] <delire> matt_: have you installed java correctly? limewire is very picky
[11:41] <matt_> ok
[11:42] <enntee> b2s: but finding songs by filename is a little archaic, no offense :)
[11:42] <matt_> wher do i get java from is there a file i cn downlaod and install just liek that
[11:42] <kakalto> matt_, did you follow www.ubuntuguide.org ?
[11:42] <matt_> i dont understand that
[11:42] <enntee> stevenj: i have noticed the same thing. no idea why there are so many updates =\
[11:42] <delire> matt_: the guide kakalto just mentioned has a Java on Ubuntu howo
[11:42] <matt_> whats "sudo apt-get install sun-j2re1.5
[11:42] <matt_> java -version"
[11:42] <matt_> mean
[11:42] <delire> s/howo/howto
[11:43] <enntee> b2s: any thoughts on my ImportError?
[11:43] <b2s> enntee: regarding fixing the bt problem... I haven't tried under ubuntu, but under redhat you do "export PYTHONPATH=/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages" first
[11:43] <kakalto> matt_, those are commands you do from the terminal
[11:43] <Nermal> any nutters running breezy yet ?
[11:43] <stevenj> enntee, I wonder if its indeed an actuall update...it appears to be the same version
[11:43] <yahalom> matt_: the ubuntuguide is as simple as it gets, any other way will break ur head, especially with java
[11:43] <delire> matt_: 'apt-get' is a commandline tool for installing debian packages from servers located all around the world.
[11:43] <matt_> so do i run the terminal and type that
[11:43] <delire> matt_: yes
[11:43] <stevenj> enntee, Iare you updating acroread everytime?
[11:43] <matt_> and then will i be sorted or do i need to get files
[11:44] <delire> matt_: just follow the howto
[11:44] <enntee> b2s: ah, thanks
[11:44] <b2s> matt_: the "apt-get" part will get the files from apt, if you've followed the previous lines of the howto
[11:45] <enntee> stevenj: i use the update manager, so i have been every time.. it is annoying tho
[11:45] <b2s> enntee: np
[11:45] <delire> matt_ Ubuntu, unlike many other operating systems, doesn't require that you go from website to website to install things. it's  different way of thinking that has more similarity to 'p2p' networks than traditional methods of software aquisition.
[11:45] <djm62> matt_: to be less prolix, it rocks ;)
[11:45] <XplOzIon> hi all
[11:46] <delire> djm62: hehe yep r0x0rs
[11:46] <matt_> it says e: couldnt find package sun-jre1.5
[11:46] <b2s> matt_: you need to follow the previous steps first
[11:46] <XplOzIon> problem installing java?
[11:46] <matt_> ok
[11:46] <Nermal> XplOzIon: http://ubuntuguide.org/#jre
[11:46] <XplOzIon> no no not me i meant matt_
[11:47] <XplOzIon> :)
[11:47] <Nermal> switch the filename to the latest jre from sun obviously :)
[11:47] <Nermal> oh.. /ignore strikes again :)
[11:47] <djm62> cheeky
[11:47] <Nermal> hmm.. damn.. I get 1mbit and hoary goes stable
[11:47] <delire> nice to see so many folks in here really coming to terms with the debian way of doing things. a few months back there were less 'pro' users.
[11:47] <XplOzIon> heh
[11:47] <Nermal> how I am I going to fill my connection now :|
[11:48] <fejaor> anyone that can help me with the installation of the drivers for a Voice modem??
[11:48] <b2s> delire: who are the pro users?
[11:48] <djm62> slashdot exposure probably didn't hurt
[11:48] <flodine> my mplayer wont play movies why sh.....t
[11:48] <XplOzIon> need codecs
[11:48] <Nermal> flodine: installed win32codecs ?
[11:48] <b2s> flodine: probably missing codecs... where'd you get mplayer from anyway?
[11:48] <djm62> flodine: and to set the vo drivers
[11:48] <delire> b2s: people working stuff out, getting around the system. troubleshooting and geeking out. y'know. the good stuff.
[11:48] <flodine> from the apt
[11:48] <Nermal> b2s: I believe the pro users were here a few months ago
[11:48] <fejaor> anyone that can help me with the installation of the drivers for a Voice modem??
[11:49] <flodine> i got win 32 installed
[11:49] <Nermal> fejaor: echo :)
[11:49] <delire> Nermal: sure, but people that just had just installed Ubuntu are now helping others out.
[11:49] <Nermal> yah
[11:49] <b2s> hmm, I got no mplayer in my apt... maybe its w32 only... I can play all movie files anyway tho so :P on you mplayer users
[11:49] <djm62> fejaor: did you read the README yet?
[11:49] <Lito> did anybody install jpodder? (podcasting tool)
[11:49] <dockane> that the way it should go
[11:50] <matt_> ok im getting soemwhere i hope
[11:50] <jb4711007> Hi, can anybody tell me the differences between ubuntu and suse (on the one hand) and debian (on the other hand)?
[11:50] <b2s> ...er s/w32/x86/
[11:50] <fejaor> It is just to vague
[11:50] <matt_> help it still says E: Some packages could not be authenticated
[11:50] <usynic> jb4711007: it's very similar to debian, but has a faster release schedule (it follows gnome's)
[11:50] <fejaor> the instructions are so confusing and vague...
[11:50] <jnk> jb4711007, ubuntu is quite close to debian, not suse... why this question?
[11:50] <XplOzIon> matt: always remember to type sudo before a command
[11:50] <djm62> jb4711007: erm...SuSe is an rpm package based system, sold commercially
[11:50] <dockane> jb4711007, suse is commercial distribution, debian and ubuntu are not
[11:50] <usynic> jb4711007: I haven't used suse... so yeah.  You're on your own there :)
[11:51] <b2s> jb4711007: ubuntu is based on debian, but more modern than debian stable, and with security updates
[11:51] <jb4711007> usynic: so it does use gnome instead of KDE?
[11:51] <usynic> jb4711007: either or... the default uses gnome.
[11:51] <matt_> ah
[11:51] <usynic> but there's kubuntu which uses kde
[11:51] <XplOzIon> matt: it works now?
[11:51] <b2s> jb4711007: gnome default, unless you install from the kubuntu cd
[11:52] <matt_> well it had it anyway
[11:52] <jb4711007> usynic: Are there any disadvantages using ubuntu with KDE?
[11:52] <djm62> jb4711007: ubuntu is african, suse is german
[11:52] <usynic> jb4711007: dunno, I use gnome.
[11:52] <XplOzIon> no no
[11:52] <matt_> how would i go about installin limewire
[11:52] <XplOzIon> ubuntu is linux for humans beings, suse for humans animals l
[11:52] <b2s> matt_: java installed now?
[11:52] <XplOzIon> lol
[11:52] <djm62> (both, of course, based on a kernel originally from finland, and defaulting to english language)
[11:52] <matt_> i htink
[11:52] <drspin> matt_: you may find that you prefer gtk-gnutella ;)
[11:52] <matt_> think
[11:52] <kakalto> jb4711007, I don't think there is any disadvantages of kde w/ ubuntu, try www.kubuntu.org
[11:52] <matt_> wher ei get
[11:53] <matt_> where i get*
[11:53] <jb4711007> can I use atp-get and synaptic with ubuntu?
[11:53] <XplOzIon> matt_ installing java for azureus?
[11:53] <goldfish> yes
[11:53] <matt_> huh
[11:53] <drspin> matt_: search in synaptic -- or check http://ubuntuguide.org
[11:53] <b2s> drspin: good idea, I should have thought to check apt-cache for some gnutella client
[11:53] <cliechti> does somebody run ubuntu 5.04 on a VIA EPIA board? i have problems with ivtv drivers 2.6.10 and 2.6.11 freezes while loading the desktop
[11:53] <pixil9> is there any kind of spyware on linux limewire?
[11:53] <usynic> jb4711007: of course
[11:53] <usynic> jb4711007: it's based off of debian... so it naturally has apt
[11:54] <drspin> LOL spyware...
[11:54] <goldfish> haha
[11:54] <jb4711007> OK, thanks... - last question: is there a live CD for testing ubuntu without having to install it on hd?
[11:54] <usynic> yes.
[11:54] <goldfish> yep
[11:54] <drspin> jbailey: yup
[11:54] <b2s> jb4711007: check the site
[11:54] <drspin> oops - wrong person... sorry jbailey
[11:54] <jb4711007> OK, I will download it and give it a try...
[11:55] <_chavo> jb4711007, you can't install from the live CD, so keep that in mind.
[11:55] <XplOzIon> ok i have a problem... one of my HDDs doesnt say a correct file type, says  OnTrackDM6, so how con i correct this error without deleting any of the data in the hdd. The hdd format is fat32
[11:56] <fishhead> xpl
[11:56] <fishhead> you had a disk manager on there
[11:56] <fishhead> and I don't think linux 2.6 supports those anymore
[11:56] <XplOzIon> no, my ubunto distro is fresh
[11:56] <fishhead> I am very rusty anyways but ask around these guys
[11:56] <fishhead> dude
[11:56] <XplOzIon> thanks fishhead
[11:56] <fishhead> ontrackDM6 is disk manager
[11:57] <XplOzIon> oh i didnt know dude, im a linux noob =/
[11:57] <XplOzIon> i believe its because i converted it from ntfs to fat32 using partition magic
[11:57] <MyKq3> onpensource rulls
[11:57] <MyKq3> http://img211.echo.cx/img211/6923/untitled3dj.jpg
[11:57] <drspin> *yawn* copying 6000 music files takes a while :/
[11:57] <MyKq3> shame thats its on my WINDOWS
[11:58] <Sionide> ew
[11:58] <goldfish> hah
[11:59] <XplOzIon> oh yeah withim temptation!
[11:59] <dockane> i will get an ibm intellistation (2x p3, 1gb rambus) for free .... i think of making a home server out of it. does anybody know how the driver situation looks like for these boxes ? (scsi / lan oboard)
[11:59] <MyKq3> dockane,  damn
[11:59] <MyKq3> me wants too
[11:59] <XplOzIon> sniff sniff olorin