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yahalomFoodcoman: so why does my Kaudioripper not  work12:01
yahalom?12:01
Foodcomanwhiskers: ghex-12.112:01
KaiL_what want's a gnome user, who get's confused by more than 3 options with a hex editor? :)12:01
Foodcomanyahalom: I am unfamiliar with that app...   Sorry.12:02
yahalomFoodcoman: what do u use?12:02
FoodcomanKaiL_:  hehehehe.12:02
Foodcomanyahalom: have totem, xmms and mplayer VLC installed for vid and audio.12:03
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Foodcomanyahalom: I dont do much music12:03
Foodcomanyahalom: Oh and Kaffine is on there also.  I mostly stream from shoutcast.com with xmms.12:04
whiskersyahalom, you know what i would do.....backup xorg.conf....then go ahead and install nvidia-glx and nvidia-glx-configure12:04
whiskersyahalom, then do nvidia-glx-configure enable12:04
whiskersyahalom, then go back to new xorg.conf and change the driver to ati12:04
whiskersyahalom, and see if it works12:04
KaiL_whiskers: WTF?12:05
KaiL_what are you trying there?12:05
yahalomwhiskers: thanx. i wont do it now, it 1am. and i cant sleep with until i fix what i screw up,12:05
abbashow can  mount usb devices ntfs for ppc12:05
Alien_IIKaiL_,  please dont swear.. this is a family channel :)12:05
KaiL_you know, that nVidia doesn't use dri and so you'd f*ck up the whole config?12:05
yahalomKaiL_: scary huh? trying to get the savers to work.12:05
whiskersKaiL_, well that is why i told him to make a backup first12:06
KaiL_whiskers: doesn't help, that overwrites files in /usr/X11R6/..12:06
whiskersKaiL_, you mean it changes the binaries and the libs12:07
KaiL_if you want 3D on any non-nvidia-card, it's the most important thing to have NO nvidia-sshit on your computer12:07
whiskersKaiL_, for X12:07
KaiL_it replaces libGL.so with a not dri-compatible version12:07
whiskersKaiL_, whoa....that is rough12:07
yahalomespecially sinc ati doesnt like any foreign stuff12:08
KaiL_this would also f*ck the system for matrox, intel or whatever else is there12:08
whiskersyahalom, well i have an ATI card...i need to experiment with it...but i don't have another computer to put it in12:08
KaiL_hehe12:09
KaiL_here comes my ATI-howto:12:10
KaiL_install linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-5-386 fglrx-control xorg-driver-fglrx12:10
abbash how can  mount usb devices ntfs for ppc12:10
KaiL_fglrxconf12:11
KaiL_change the driver in xorg.conf to "ati"12:11
KaiL_put fglrx into /etc/modules12:11
yahalomKaiL_: i changed it to fglrx and it works12:11
KaiL_...and finally reboot ;)12:11
kakaltoso, does anyone know why GL screensavers won't work on my system using the nvidia driver, and no other gfx issues?12:12
KaiL_yahalom: eh, yes 12:12
yahalomkakalto: nope12:12
whiskerskakalto, KaiL_ is giving you his approach to try...heh...nobody really knows12:12
KaiL_stupid drivers12:13
KaiL_kakalto: nvidia hardware? here it goes:12:13
yahalomKaiL_: i broke my head over it for weeks, then finally got it working and it's really simple...yet it breaks ur head12:13
KaiL_install nvidia-glx linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-5-38612:13
KaiL_put "nvidia" in the xorg.conf12:14
KaiL_and be happy12:14
kakaltoI already did that...12:14
kakaltoexcept I use 686, not 38612:15
whiskerskakalto, doesn't make much difference...386 code works on 68612:15
KaiL_whiskers: no12:15
kakaltoyeah12:15
kakaltobut still12:15
KaiL_it must be the same as the kernel is...12:15
whiskersKaiL_, oh...that is right because it is a module12:15
kakaltoI go into the screensavers, and click on a GL one, it doesn't do anything12:15
KaiL_kakalto: try glxgears12:16
KaiL_does that work?12:16
whiskerskakalto, well i have nvidia here and it works12:16
kakaltoKaiL_, it runs fine, yeah12:16
whiskerskakalto, all i did was use synaptic and install nividia-glx12:16
kakaltowhiskers, the screensavers in the kontrol panel12:16
KaiL_so it's not a driver issue12:16
kakaltoyeah12:16
KaiL_why on earth, somebody wants a 3D screensaver? :)12:16
whiskerskakalto, it should work12:16
kakaltofor that matter...12:16
=== yahalom having same prob
whiskerskakalto, just use synaptic install nvidia-glx and nvidia-glx-configure12:17
=== KaiL_ thinks screensavers are worthless at all :)
=== yahalom however ati card
whiskerskakalto, then type sudo nvidia-glx-configure enable12:17
whiskerskakalto, thats it12:17
kakaltoif the screensavers are under the "OpenGL screensavers" section, they work, but not outside of that section12:17
LeeJunFanI had a similar problem on my system with ATI. Mine was that somehow the damn MesaGL kept taking over. glxgears worked but kde screensavers were blank.12:17
kakaltomaybe it's those specific screensavers?12:17
=== yahalom likes atlantis...big fish make him happy
KaiL_yahalom: glxgears works for you?12:17
=== yahalom getting really tired
KaiL_even quite fast?12:17
yahalomKaiL_: yes12:17
yahalomKaiL_: cedega games work, everything works12:18
whiskerskakalto, oh...you are talking about a particular set of screensavers not all opengl screensavers12:18
KaiL_maybe something is f*cked with kdes screensavers?12:18
kakaltonow I noticed, yeah12:18
whiskersyahalom, yes well i would expect cedega to work since it is commercial12:18
LeeJunFan /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 was linked to the mesa lib, not the ATI provided GL libs.12:18
kakaltoKaiL_, maybe12:18
LeeJunFanerr /usr/X11/lib12:18
yahalomwhiskers: windows never worked12:18
KaiL_...at it's broken for everybody here12:18
yahalomwhiskers: still doesnt12:18
KaiL_even for a ATI 9200...12:19
LeeJunFanKaiL_: works for me.12:19
KaiL_which card?12:19
whiskersyahalom, my win98 works fine...i got the new nvidia .7 drivers and dx9c works great12:19
LeeJunFanATI 9700.12:19
KaiL_hm12:19
LeeJunFanKaiL_: and my 9200's also.12:19
kakaltoI was looking forward to the matrix screensaver :D12:19
kakalto:(12:19
whiskersyahalom, and mplayer looks beutiful on win9812:19
kakaltoI had it working under gnome, but not kde12:19
whiskersyahalom, where the codecs are legal12:19
KaiL_the best screensaver get's started by a button at the bottom end of your screen12:20
yahalomwhiskers: my xp worked fine with my ati, until the bugs ate it 12:20
KaiL_called "power" :)12:20
=== KaiL_ needs a computer with an ATI card for testing
yahalomkakalto: same here, in gnome it works12:20
KaiL_my only ATI is a Rage II+12:20
KaiL_doesn't help a lot on this :)12:20
kakaltoKaiL_, do you know the origins of screensavers?12:21
kakaltowhy they existed?12:21
kakalto'cause your idea sure fixes it12:21
yahalomwhiskers: call me bad, but i never cared for legal software12:21
LeeJunFanKaiL_: run this:12:21
LeeJunFanjunfan@jkd:/usr/X11R6/lib$ glxinfo | egrep OpenGL12:21
LeeJunFanOpenGL vendor string: ATI Technologies Inc.12:21
LeeJunFanOpenGL renderer string: MOBILITY RADEON 9700 Generic12:21
LeeJunFanOpenGL version string: 1.3.5010 (X4.3.0-8.12.10)12:21
KaiL_kakalto: because in ancient times shuting down the screen caused problems and as they showed the same content for decades, the image would burn in12:22
kakaltoyeah :)12:22
yahalomso what now they're just fashion and not really needed?12:22
KaiL_screensavers have totally lost their use withe the time, we got power management... 12:22
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yahalomKaiL_: my AMD XP doesnt support power management12:23
KaiL_yahalom: it does12:23
KaiL_you can shut down the screen by software12:23
yahalomKaiL_:when my ubuntu starts up it says "support for power management no"12:23
KaiL_EVERY system with is compatible with Windows 95 can do that12:23
yahalomKaiL_:when my ubuntu starts up it says "support for power management no AMD XP"12:23
LeeJunFanright even if the CPU doesn't support it your VESA compliant screen will, and when X cuts the signal to it it'll power off.12:24
KaiL_that is cpu power management12:24
KaiL_LeeJunFan: exactly12:24
yahalomKaiL_: oh ok. so we dont need screensavers anymore?12:25
KaiL_exactly12:25
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LeeJunFanyahalom: not really - they are just for eye-candy. And they work nice to lock the screen.12:25
KaiL_kde controlcenter -> devices -> screen -> energy12:25
KaiL_set there some nice values12:26
LeeJunFanKaiL_: did you run "glxinfo | egrep OpenGL" yet?12:26
=== yahalom wonders how many pc functions are just candy nowadays
LeeJunFanyahalom: windows.12:26
LeeJunFan:)12:26
=== yahalom back in 1940s where eye candy was a 5 mile cable
KaiL_screensavers are there to avoid CRTs from showing texactlyhe same for way more that 10 years in a row12:26
yahalomLeeJunFan: yeah12:27
KaiL_gar - stupid G550..12:28
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KaiL_again disabled dri for no obvious reasom12:28
yahalomKaiL_: just like that?12:28
LeeJunFanKaiL_: that could be the problem I was having. cd /usr/X11/lib12:28
KaiL_hm?12:28
LeeJunFanKaiL_: ls -l libGL.so.* and see if they are linked to the same thing.12:29
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KaiL_(==) MGA(0): Direct rendering enabled << from Xorg.0.log12:29
KaiL_direct rendering: No << from glxinfo12:29
KaiL_...lol12:29
LeeJunFanheh, shit.12:29
KaiL_...and it's really disabled12:30
KaiL_doesn't matter.12:30
yahalomKaiL_: u can't enable it manually?12:30
KaiL_50fps, 200fps - both slow :)12:30
yahalomKaiL_: what ati ?12:31
KaiL_no ATI12:31
KaiL_Matrox G55012:31
LeeJunFan12206 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2441.200 FPS12:31
yahalomKaiL_: ah ok. have no clue12:31
KaiL_and a totally outdated CPU (AMD K6-2/500 ;)12:31
whiskersKaiL_, my direct rendering says yes...and i did not do anything except the synaptic stuff12:31
yahalomLeeJunFan: nice one, what card?12:31
LeeJunFan970012:32
LeeJunFanATI12:32
KaiL_afaik nvidia cards go >>10k :/12:32
yahalomLeeJunFan: when did u buy it?12:32
malteseriously guys, someone needs to update the ubuntu kaffeine package. it crashes all the time :(12:32
whiskersKaiL_, and i have an old cheap nvidia card12:32
KaiL_somebody with a GF 6800 here?12:32
LeeJunFanyahalom: about 2-3 months ago.12:32
whiskersKaiL_, but it works good enough for tuxracer12:32
yahalomLeeJunFan: any idea what the newest one is?12:33
whiskersKaiL_, and supertux12:33
yahalomwhiskers: tuxracer is still the best ;)12:33
LeeJunFanyahalom: not really. I don't keep up with that as much as I should :) It's in my lappy.12:33
whiskersKaiL_, and defendguin with the Logitech gamepad12:33
KaiL_supertux ever works here12:33
yahalomLeeJunFan: i think i'll get nvidia next time12:33
whiskersKaiL_, but i don't have room for games...i am keeping this system to less than 40gigs this time12:34
LeeJunFanwhiskers: 40 gigs and no room for games?12:34
LeeJunFanI could have games on less than 4! hehe12:34
kakaltomy friend went to buy a AGP gfx card, and the guy showed him which port it was (which he had), so he bought it only to find that salesman was stupid12:34
whiskersLeeJunFan, well the basics are about 10gigs...so i only have 30 to spare12:34
kakaltoneedless to say, he had to return the car12:34
kakaltod12:34
KaiL_oh12:34
yahalomLeeJunFan: when i had microsoft fligh on windows it took 7gb12:34
KaiL_supertux has a GL mode12:34
whiskersLeeJunFan, i just don't have room for all those linux games12:35
LeeJunFanyahalom: yeah, windows games are all pretty much beasts. I wonder how much SWAT4 is taking on my windows system.12:35
LeeJunFannot that bad: 1.7G    SWAT 4/12:35
KaiL_..which I shouldn't enable here *g*12:35
cartel_hey all anyone know if ubuntu ssh -X actually works?12:36
LeeJunFancartel_: you mean the switch or ssh forwarding in general?12:37
LeeJunFanX forwarding.12:37
cartel_ssh forwarding works, i want X forwarding12:37
LeeJunFanI use x forwarding on my system. I enabled it in /etc/ssh/ssh_config12:37
cartel_hmm12:38
cartel_my remote system gets no $DISPLAY12:38
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LeeJunFancartel_: what is your remote system?12:38
cartel_sarge12:38
cartel_i can see it setting up xauthority etc with debugging12:38
whiskersyou know kkathman..did all that compilation on gimpshop for nothing12:38
cartel_but it doesnt seem to set $DISPLAY12:38
LeeJunFancartel_: did you install xserver-common on the remote system?12:38
whiskersi decided to trash gimpshop and go ahead and update ubuntu with the new gimp stuff12:39
cartel_LeeJunFan: x-window-system-core12:39
whiskersand synaptic installed gimpshop12:39
whiskershe did all that for nothing12:39
yahalomLeeJunFan: what is swat 4 like? i liked the first one and 2, but didnt like 312:39
whiskersbut it does have a different ad screen upon execution12:39
cartel_xserver-common is already the newest version.12:40
hussamhi I have an important question, I installed kernel 2.6.11 from synaptic but it gives kernel panic. so I uninstalled 2.6.11 and kept 2.6.10. I now booted to 2.6.10. any ideas?12:40
cartel_is it because i am connecting as root to remote system?12:40
hussamany ideas why I got kernel paic with 2.6.1112:40
hussam?12:40
yahalomhussam: 2.6.11 is not supported from what i understand12:40
yahalomhussam: just use 2.6.10 for now12:40
hussamso everybody here is still using 2.6.10?12:41
KaiL_lol, 20fps in supertux *gg*12:41
yahalomhussam: i assume so...at least i am12:41
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whiskershussam, well i am but i am disappointed with it because it doesn't support the cheap linmodems12:41
cartel_ok my bad12:41
whiskershussam, ubuntu did not compile it right12:41
cartel_got it going :)12:41
whiskershussam, but it does support the dvd stuff and the gamepad12:42
hussamwhiskers: I see12:42
yahalomanyone here got a webcam working?12:42
hussamwhiskers: thanks guys.12:42
yahalomomnivision?12:42
KaiL_did I ever mention, that I need a faster CPU?12:42
yahalomhussam: u know that ur nick is an egyptian made anti-tank mine?12:43
kakaltolol12:43
cartel_at least its not an anti personnel mine12:43
yahalomkakalto: lol..its true12:43
yahalomsome really interesting nicks12:44
hussamyahalom: actually, I am egyptian but sadly I've only been in Egypt twice.12:44
yahalomlike i saw this guy putsa and that is the greek word for penis12:44
yahalomhussam: ah go figure. so probably the mine was named after the maker, so ir ur name hussam for real?12:45
cartel_hmm12:45
whiskersKaiL_, we all need a faster cpu....dosbox sucks at playing games with sound12:45
hussamyahalom: that's my real name :)12:45
KaiL_whiskers: but your isn't to slow to play supertux ;)12:46
hussamyahalom: brb in a minute, I have to reboot.12:46
whiskersKaiL_, no because that code was compiled for linux12:46
yahalomhussam: good luck...dont blow anything up12:46
whiskersKaiL_, but i am talking about the great dos games12:46
whiskersKaiL_, and dosbox sucks12:46
whiskersKaiL_, on a 1.7P412:46
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whiskersKaiL_, if you want to see how bad it really is...just load the dos game abuse.zip12:48
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yahalomwhiskers: i have abuse and it works fine12:48
yahalomwhiskers: on ubuntu that is12:49
kakaltohow do I get dosbox working?12:49
whiskersyahalom, it works like shit here....the graphics movements occur about 30seconds after moving the mouse12:49
yahalomi loved that game when it first came out12:49
whiskersyahalom, what kind of hardware do you have12:49
yahalomwhiskers: really? no its real smooth here. not full screen, but just as good as it was in dos12:49
yahalomwhiskers: ati 920012:49
whiskersyahalom, what kind of hardware do you have12:50
whiskersyahalom, what kind of processor12:50
yahalomwhiskers: AMD XP 2000+\12:50
LeeJunFanyahalom: sorry - got called away. I love SWAT4, what didn't you like about 3?12:50
yahalomwhiskers: 512 DDR12:50
whiskersyahalom, hey why is it working for you and not me12:50
whiskersyahalom, it sucks here12:50
KaiL_P4 is not only hot, it's also slow :p12:50
yahalomLeeJunFan: i liked the team work in swat and 3 had all that lone soldier stuff i think, right?12:50
KaiL_whiskers: get an Athlon 64 :)12:50
yahalomwhiskers: i dont know man. what's ur hardware?12:51
whiskersKaiL_, if i had money i would get a haupage...first before the 6412:51
kakaltohow do I run dboxfe?12:51
yahalomKaiL_: u have athlone 64?12:51
KaiL_not jet12:51
yahalomwhiskers: how did u acquire abuse? apt-get?12:51
LeeJunFanyahalom: only because the AI sucked. It's much better in 412:51
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KaiL_but I think, it's time to replace this K6-2 :)12:52
yahalomLeeJunFan: that must have been it. cos it turned me off.12:52
yahalomLeeJunFan: have a screenshot?12:52
KaiL_it's starting to go on my nerves12:52
yahalomLeeJunFan: link?12:52
yahalomKaiL_: what kernel do u use for ur k-6?12:52
KaiL_2.6.10-1-38612:53
KaiL_there is no -586 any more12:53
whiskersyahalom, no you can get thousands of free dos games at12:53
yahalomKaiL_: i have k7 and i installed the k-7 kernel works much better12:53
whiskershttp://www.abandonia.com/genre.php?genre=mostpopular&page=012:53
yahalomKaiL_: i assume there is a k-6 kernel12:53
KaiL_nop12:53
yahalomKaiL_: remember seeing it12:53
yahalomKaiL_: for sure?12:53
KaiL_not more since 2.612:53
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whiskersKaiL_, you can get the great ones....but dosbox sucks12:54
LeeJunFanyahalom: I don't have any handy. But I'm sure google would turn some up.12:54
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LeeJunFanbrb12:54
yahalomwhiskers: i did apt-get install abuse12:55
whiskersyahalom, forget that...see the url i gave you12:55
yahalomhey alien, ti kaneis malaka?12:55
alleeKaiL_: hi.  Why not build a k6/568 kernel?12:55
KaiL_to lazy :p12:55
KaiL_also the biggest problem here is RAM12:55
yahalomwhiskers: ok i will. my abuse works great though.12:55
alleeKaiL_: come on it's not magic in (k)ubntu12:55
alleeKaiL_: ;)12:55
KaiL_on a Socket 7 system you have a so called "cachable area"12:56
KaiL_256MiB here12:56
whiskersyahalom, well it totally sucks here....do you have sound turned on and everything12:56
KaiL_which is what I have installed12:56
yahalomwhiskers: yes, do apt-get abuse 12:56
whiskersyahalom, ok i will compare it12:56
yahalomwhiskers: how do i get those games to work?12:56
alleeKaiL_: Uh, that really the minimum of RAM12:56
KaiL_allee: and after that, it swaps on a 14MB/s hd here12:57
KaiL_a very loud 14MB/s hd to be exact12:57
yahalomlol dune that was such a funny game...giant worms and all, reminds me of that movie tremors12:57
KaiL_hmm, does CL3, CL2,5 REALLY matter while buying RAM?12:57
whiskersyahalom, easy...just mount c c: \home\george\dosgames\gameofchoice12:58
whiskersyahalom, sorry mkdir those dirs12:58
whiskersmount c as told12:58
alleeKaiL_: ;)  on the other hand a very silent Dell X300 laptop makes me sometimes nervous because it makes no noice at all ;)12:58
whiskersand unzip game to game of choice12:58
KaiL_lol12:58
alleeKaiL_: AFAIU not much12:58
whiskersand execute12:58
alleeKaiL_: .. the CL I mean12:58
whiskersbut dosbox is not worth a crap here12:59
KaiL_yes12:59
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KaiL_while updating from this box, everything should feel very very fast *gg*12:59
hussamhow do I install the ms true type fonts?12:59
yahalomwhiskers: so i have to get dosbox?12:59
htaccesscan someone pointy me to a document on the setps required to add kubuntu to a ubuntu installation?12:59
KaiL_hussam: apt-get install msttcorefonts12:59
alleehe he01:00
whiskersyahalom, yes it is in synaptic01:00
whiskersbut not worth a crap on p41.701:00
KaiL_htaccess: apt-get install kubuntu-desktop01:00
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yahalomwhiskers: ok got it...now i create the files01:00
KaiL_whiskers: P4 sucks so badly?01:00
whiskersyahalom, no...open a terminal and type dosbox01:00
whiskersyahalom, then do info to get mount instructions01:00
htaccessKaiL_: hmm that sounds easy enough, after its installed do i get a choice of runing gnome or kde?01:01
KaiL_somewhere in your login manager, yes01:01
whiskersKaiL_, where did synaptic install abuse01:02
whiskersKaiL_, dosbox needs to know the directory01:02
jagoi tried to load kubunto on my machine but when it tried to run kdm the screen flashed and i was back at the prompt, help please im am forced to use knoppix in the mean time.01:02
hussamPackage msttcorefonts is not available, but is referred to by another package.01:02
hussamThis may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or01:02
hussamis only available from another source01:02
hussamKaiL_: it says "01:02
Markrianjago, I imagine XOrg isn't set up correctly01:02
whiskersabuse01:02
jagohow do i fix it01:03
alleewhiskers: dpkg -L abuse01:03
KaiL_hussam: enable universe and multiverse in /etc/apt/sources.list01:03
whiskerssorry wrong terminal01:03
KaiL_jago: which graphics card?01:03
Markrianjago, do you know what graphics card your system has?01:03
jagoati rage 12801:03
KaiL_hmm01:03
jagopro01:03
KaiL_old but unproblematic01:04
whiskersKaiL_, yes ok..the sdl version of abuse is better01:04
whiskersKaiL_, but i don't see why dosbox is so bad....01:05
KaiL_whiskers: are you really talking to me or to yahalom ? :)01:05
whiskersi don't know...whoever was talking about it01:05
KaiL_yahalom: was the guy with the working dosbox01:05
KaiL_I'm the guy, who REALLY needs a faster system01:06
hussamKaiL_: thanks, I'll try that01:06
whiskersKaiL_, for the exact same game01:06
Markrianjago, go to a terminal and do "cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep Driver"01:07
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Markrianjago, what is the output, ignoring the lines that include "keyboard" and "mouse"01:07
Markrian?01:07
yahalomwhiskers: how do i mount it again?01:09
yahalomwhiskers: i unzip the games into /home/<user>/dosgames/01:09
jagoit says "/etc/x11/xorg.conf: No such file or directory"01:10
yahalomKaiL_: i didnt have dosbox until 2 secs ago. i have abuse from kynaptic01:10
jagoright now i am running lnpoppix since kubuntu would not load.01:11
yahalomKaiL_: so it a linux version01:11
Markrianjago, the terminal is case-sensitive, you've gotta enter it exactly as I wrote it01:11
KaiL_yahalom: ah01:11
KaiL_hmm... 363 for fresh hardware01:11
jagosorry01:11
KaiL_1GiB RAM, Sempron 2800+ Sockel 754 and a 160GB Samsung HD01:11
KaiL_should be enough? :)01:11
Markrianjago, don't apologise ;)01:12
KaiL_jago: do you have the kubuntu system mounted anywhere?01:12
KaiL_[or somewhere] 01:12
jagono, i had to uninstall it to use my machine.01:12
KaiL_so we can't help you, sorry01:13
jagook thanks01:13
Markrianwhoops01:13
KaiL_are we the oracle of delphy or what?01:13
MarkrianIt's too late for me to be helpful I think ;o01:13
KaiL_you had an idea?01:14
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whiskersyahalom, yes...did you do the mount thing as explained  in the intro01:16
yahalomwhiskers: i made the files, how do i mount?01:16
yahalomwhiskers: mount c c: ??01:17
whiskersyahalom, no don't make the files yet.01:17
whiskersyahalom, type dosbox at a terminal01:17
whiskersyahalom, then type intro01:17
yahalomwhiskers: i made the files alread now what?01:17
whiskersyahalom, inside dosbox01:17
yahalomwhiskers: delete them01:17
whiskersyahalom, ok ..did you do that01:17
yahalom?01:17
whiskersyahalom, no don't delete them01:17
whiskersyahalom, first type intro inside dosbox01:18
whiskersyahalom, it will tell you how to mount c01:18
whiskersyahalom, in linux01:18
whiskersyahalom, did you do that01:18
yahalomwhiskers: yeah give me a sec to read01:18
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whiskersyahalom, ok read the linux mount not the windows stuff01:18
whiskersyahalom, something like mount c c: /usr/yaholom/dosprog01:19
whiskersyahalom, or whatever your user name is01:19
whiskersyahalom, did you do that01:19
yahalomwhiskers: it says the dir doesnt exist01:19
whiskersyahalom, ok...go to another terminal in another desktop and type mkdir /home/yourusername/dosprog01:20
yahalomwhiskers: ok did it01:20
whiskersyahalom, ok now type c:01:20
whiskersyahalom, inside dosbox01:20
yahalomwhiskers: my dir is /home/myusername/dosgames01:20
yahalomwhiskers: is that wrong?01:20
whiskersyahalom, ok whatever01:20
whiskersyahalom, that is fine01:21
whiskersyahalom, type c:01:21
yahalomwhiskers: ok01:21
whiskersyahalom, what do you see now01:21
whiskersyahalom, type dir01:21
yahalomwhiskers: ok loading simcity200001:21
whiskersyahalom, oh...ok you already put simcity in your dos directory01:22
yahalomwhiskers: it works great man01:23
whiskersyahalom, how come it works for you...and it works like shit here01:23
yahalomwhiskers: only prob once i start the game i cant get out of dos until i exit it01:23
yahalomwhiskers: i dunno, i'm special?01:23
whiskersyahalom, try the escape button01:23
yahalomwhiskers: u want me to try abuse?01:23
whiskersyahalom, in many games it will get you back to dosbox01:23
whiskersyahalom, then type exit when you are done01:24
whiskersyahalom, but how come it works like shit here01:24
yahalomwhiskers: i have no idea bro01:24
yahalomwhiskers: i didnt even know it existed01:24
yahalomwhiskers: what is wrong with it? slow?01:24
whiskersyahalom, yes...very very very slow01:25
whiskersyahalom, try abuse and see if it works for you01:25
yahalomwhiskers: ok01:25
whiskersyahalom, it is extremely slow here01:25
yahalomwhiskers: u tried simcity?01:26
whiskersyahalom, no...just some action stuff to test dosbox01:26
yahalomwhiskers: so  let me try abuse01:26
yahalomwhiskers: is it normal that the downloads keep getting stuck?01:27
whiskersyahalom, ok...do a mkdir /home/yourusername/dosprog or whatever/abuse01:27
whiskersyahalom, yes..i have that problem a lot on firefox01:27
whiskersyahalom, but make a separate dos directory so your games don't get confused01:28
whiskersyahalom, inside your basic dos directory01:28
yahalomwhiskers: what like /dogames/games/abuse?01:29
whiskersyahalom, well whatever you mounted your basic dos directory before....now  make a subdirectory there called abuse01:30
yahalomwhiskers: np01:30
whiskersyahalom, you chose a funny stuff so you have to remember it01:30
yahalomwhiskers: yeah i will01:31
whiskersyahalom, ok after you make the directory with a linux mkdir command01:32
whiskersyahalom, then cd to it and copy your abuse.zip file there and unzip it in that directory01:32
yahalomwhiskers: np01:32
whiskersyahalom, ok..when that is done...go back to a terminal and type dosbox01:32
whiskersyahalom, and mount your basic dos directory under your funny name....but not the abuse subdirectory01:33
whiskersthen type c:01:33
yahalomwhiskers ok01:33
whiskersthen cd abuse01:33
whiskersthen the executable...i think it is called abuse01:33
whiskersthen see if dosbox is worth a shit for you01:34
yahalomwhiskers: this downloading is driving me bonkers01:34
kakaltowhat's the frontend for dosbox?01:35
whiskersyahalom, well that is because there are thousands of great dos games01:35
whiskersyahalom, and everybody wants them01:35
yahalomwhiskers: how big is abuse?01:35
whiskersyahalom, it is not very big...just a minute01:36
whiskersyahalom, i show it about 5megs01:36
whiskersyahalom, for the zip file01:37
yahalomwhiskers: ok 1 meg done01:37
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yahalomwhiskers: ok done give me a sec01:38
yahalomwhiskers: ok loading01:42
whiskersyahalom, yes loading takes a while01:43
whiskersyahalom, but let it finish01:43
yahalomwhiskers: slow like a mother01:43
yahalomwhiskers: just apt-get abuse its the same one and its smooth01:44
yahalomwhiskers: simcity worked nicely, havent tried anything else, maybe its just abuse, anyone got it working nicely?01:44
whiskersyahalom, that is what i see too...it is worthless01:45
whiskersyahalom, dosbox and wine still need a lot more work01:45
yahalomwhiskers: try other games, maybe its just abuse, cos simcity2000 works nicely01:46
yahalomwhiskers: u tried others?01:46
whiskersyahalom, no...what is the point...dosbox doesn't play the great action games....and wine doesn't play sound01:46
whiskersyahalom, they need  a lot more work01:47
whiskersyahalom, or else faster processors01:47
yahalomwhiskers: try another one maybe its really just abuse01:48
yahalomi gtg01:48
yahalomtake care man01:49
yahalomthanx for the site, i'll enjoy it01:49
yahalomlike simcity nostalgia01:49
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smoucheyou know, I'm really surprised there's no man page for konsole.02:21
kakaltothere isn't?!02:23
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smouchenope -- at least not installed with kubuntu on my box.02:29
alleesmouche: ditto for debian02:30
smouchebizarre02:30
AtholasI have just installed Ubuntu and wanted to use KDE. Will I get the exactly the same default settings and things for Kubuntu if say I simply install kubuntu-desktop? Or do I also have to include kubuntu-default-settings?02:31
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alleesmouche: "kdemangen.pl /usr/bin/konsole"  and fill with life ;)02:32
alleeAtholas: kubuntu-desktop depends on kubuntu-default-settings 02:34
smoucheallee, sorry, I have no clue...02:34
hussamhow do I get the command "hdparm -d1 /dev/dvd" to run (as root) each startup?02:34
smouchewhat's kdemangen.pl ?02:35
alleesmouche: tools from kdewebdav that generates a manpage for --help output.  Most manpages started like this ;)02:35
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smoucheinteresting, allee.  Thank you.02:36
alleeerr, s/kdewebdav/kdesdk/02:36
alleehussam: /etc/hdparm.conf02:37
hussamanybody knows how I can automatically run a command like "hdparm -d1 /dev/dvd" each startup?02:37
Atholasallee: Thanks02:38
alleehussam: not happy with /etc/hdparm.conf?    # dpkg -L hdparm is your friend ;)02:38
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hussamallee: what do I add to /etc/hdparm.conf ?02:42
alleehussam: see the header of the file. something like  /dev/dvd { -d1 } (+ new lines of course).   Check with /etc/init.d/hdparm start if it works02:43
alleehussam: there are examples at the end of the file02:43
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alleesorry, s/-d1/dma = on/.   Old brain leaks details :(02:46
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alleenite02:47
hussamlike this? 02:47
hussam/dev/dvd {02:47
hussamdma = on02:47
hussam}02:47
alleeyes02:49
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whiskersi need some help...i am trying to get this midi working on ubuntu like i had it on gentoo.....and it says i need to set up the scummvm midi env variable..03:05
whiskerswhere are the docs for this03:05
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kakaltokudos to the kubuntu project03:12
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verden01Hi03:15
verden01has anyone tried to install vmware in kubuntu?03:16
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verden01hey claydoh03:18
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netsharchello all, anyone ever have a problem with KHTML hanging the whole system?03:18
netsharcwell, hanging X, actually03:18
verden01no03:18
netsharcwell I've got it.. I open Control Center, and when it tries to show the HTML "welcome" page, it hangs..03:19
netsharcsame thing happens when I try to browse with Konqueror03:19
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verden01?? sorry netsharc i don't have nay idea03:24
verden01any03:25
netsharcpretty strange.. it worked yesterday.. 2 day old Kubuntu user. :)03:26
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verden01well he goes i just changed all my repositories to breezy03:30
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whiskershey does anybody know the name of the linmodem module for the ubuntu kernel03:30
verden01no 03:31
whiskersverden01, well ok..do you know how to set the SCUMMVM_MIDI env variable 03:34
whiskersverden01, I paid for Monkey Island and i want to hear the Jamaican midi .03:34
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verden01whiskers, no i don't sorry03:36
verden01what about doing a search on the forum03:36
jagohello does any one know how to fix windows after installing linux?03:37
verden01what do you mean "fix Windows"03:37
jagowindows will not load03:38
whiskersverden01, well this really tics me off....because scummvm says to set the midi env variable as in the README docs...and the README docs don't even give an example03:39
verden01did you get kubuntu to dual boot when grub was installed03:39
jagoi used lilo but yes03:39
verden01hmmmm i guess you can post a question on the forum and see if someone know the answer03:40
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verden01and in the startup screen theres an option to boot windows?03:40
jagothanks for trying......03:41
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TechLordhow can i upgrade to python-qt 3.1403:50
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netsharchmm, apparently the problem I had before wasn't KHTML after all, but when Konqi tries to display an image..04:10
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laszlokhow can I allow root logins from the main login screen?05:11
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laszlokhow can I allow root logins from the main login screen?05:18
amu... if you set a static password for root 05:21
laszloki did su passwd root05:22
laszlokbut i still cant logon using the main logon screen05:22
amuthan you need enables it at kdmrc ( AllowRootLogin=true ) 05:24
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amu /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc 05:25
xenfasadoes anyone have kbear or kftpgrabber working?   kbear crashes on a file   transfer and fktpgrabber will not start.05:28
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kkathmanevening all :)05:47
kkathmankinda quiet here tonight05:51
xenfasahi kkathman05:52
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kkathmanhowdy there xenfasa05:53
xenfasai just switched from gentoo to kubuntu this past weekend.05:53
kkathmanxenfasa congrats...Im interested in why you changed?  Just curious?05:54
xenfasagentoo ebuilds were not all that solid...  compile times way too long... and having to  tweak things was keeping me from working.05:55
xenfasamy gentoo KDE upgrade to 3.4  broke sound... and my skype never worked without a delay.05:55
kkathmanwell Ive heard the gentoo is a bit more challenging for sure...glad you are on board with ubuntu!05:56
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xenfasaI tried Mepis but  the 1400x1050 res did not work on my notebook... whereas kubuntu configured it perfect from the start05:57
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xenfasai have had a  few issues with kubuntu but I can live with them for now...05:57
xenfasathe most anonying is Konquerer crashing sometimes..05:58
awstottcough *firefox* cough05:58
kkathmanyanno Ive heard that, but Ive not had any problems with it, but then I dont really use it extensively, I tend to use Firefox or Opera05:58
xenfasaI'm talking about using it for managing files 05:59
xenfasaI use firefox for web of course05:59
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kkathmanwell, I cant complain about Konq's use for file mgmt, but then I try to do alot of that at the shell level myself06:00
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xenfasakbear and kftpgrabber don't work either06:00
LeeJunFanxenfasa: turn off any extra panels in konq. ie - the dir listing on the left side.06:01
kkathmanxenfasa the shell is your friend :)06:01
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xenfasaK was most acting up when I had 3-4 panels open...06:02
kkathmanhey there kakalto :)06:02
xenfasawhat is kakalto  ?   ftp client?06:03
kkathmanuhm no he just joined the channel :)06:03
kakaltohey, kkathman 06:04
kakaltoxenfasa, yeah, man, I do ftp06:04
kkathmanROFL06:04
kakaltoamong other things.06:04
xenfasaLOL06:04
xenfasaOH, one big problem that has really stumped me...is getting ksysguard to connect. 06:05
xenfasawhenever I run ksysguard it refused to connect to localhost no matter what settings I use.06:06
kkathmanhmm  thats odd06:06
kkathmanmine starts on boot06:06
kakaltoyay06:06
xenfasa:(06:06
kakaltoI got iexplorer working, so I can make my website work under lin ;)06:07
kkathmanIE under wine?06:07
xenfasaI run IE in codeweavers crossover office among other things...06:07
kkathmanyou can run it in wine too for nothing06:08
kakaltoI run IE in wine, which is FREE06:08
kkathmanright06:08
kakaltoit just tends to take a little effort to get things working :P.06:08
kkathmankakalto did you install that MSI installer under wine?06:08
kkathmancuz I could never get that working06:08
kakaltoMSI installer?06:09
kakaltodude, remove all references to wine in your home dir (./wine or whatever), then go to http://wine.sourceforge.net/apt/binary/ and get winetools, install, then run 'winetools' from a terminal06:09
kakaltothat installs everything from dcom98 to msi installer to ie6 to wmp to ms office06:10
kkathmankakalto  I went to franks corner and did what he suggested06:10
kkathmanahh ok Ill try that one06:11
kakaltowhich suggestion?06:11
kakaltohe has 3 alternatives06:11
kakaltoand I used something different06:11
kakaltoI got a proper debian package of winetools06:11
kakaltomake sure you have wine installed before you run winetools ! :P06:12
kakaltosorry, couldn't resist06:12
kakaltoanyways, I'm going to go see if wine runs a thing or two..06:12
xenfasaanyone have any idea why my ksysguard would keep loosing it's connection to local host on startup and never work?06:12
kkathmanwhere did you get the deb ?06:12
kakaltohttp://wine.sourceforge.net/apt/binary/06:13
kkathmanahh ok06:13
kakaltogood luck :)06:13
kkathmanthen you just did a dpkg -i ?06:13
kakaltoyup06:13
kakaltoI got a few errors, but it works06:14
kkathmankewlness06:14
kkathmanthanks man06:14
kakaltoand you'll have to manually download all the truetype font exe's and run them directly with wine to install them06:14
kakaltothe program has bad url's for downloading the fonts06:14
kkathmanIve got Paint Shop Pro 7 and would love to install it under wine, but their installer uses MSI06:14
kakaltothat's fixed with dcom9806:14
kakaltowhich is installed with winetools06:14
kkathmanI may touch base with you sunday on this :)06:15
kkathmanIm out of town right now...about 1500 miles west of my normal location :)06:15
kakaltohttp://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=34153&release_id=105355 <---- download the font exe's from the bottom of this page (all 11)06:15
kakaltoahh06:15
kakaltohehe06:15
kakaltoI'll bb06:16
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kakaltoaww06:26
kakaltoNeverWinterNights almost works out-of-the-box with wine06:26
kakaltonot quite06:26
kkathmanalmost ??06:26
kkathmanhehe06:26
kakaltoit can't unpack some archives06:26
kkathmanohhh bummer06:26
kakaltoeven though there's a linux version06:26
kakaltobut I don't have the original cds :P06:26
kkathmanhehe06:27
kkathmanI understand06:27
kakaltoI bet Starcraft would work06:27
kakaltoI just need to find a cd-crack06:27
kakaltoI must have "lost" the cds...06:27
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kkathmanI know lots a crack places06:28
kkathmanfor CDs mind you06:28
kkathmanhehe06:28
kkathmancheck your PM kakalto06:29
kakaltoyay06:29
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kakaltoImpossible Creatures (tm) by Microsoft (tm) works on wine under linux :D06:30
kkathmanhehe good :)06:30
kakalto^o^06:32
kakaltoI just realised06:32
kakaltoI haven't edited my fstab to add windows yet06:32
kkathmanah ha!06:33
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kakaltofinal fantasy 8 doesn't like wine.06:58
kakaltoor perhaps it's wine that doesn't like final fantasy 8.06:58
kkathmanwine and fantasies rarely mix well06:58
kkathmanhehe06:58
kakaltobut ff8 was made for the ps anyway, why am I trying to run ps code on a compatability layer for windows?06:58
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kakalto:P06:58
kakaltowhat happens if I run the directX 9 installer under wine?07:03
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Codymananyone here know c++ fairly well?07:05
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kkathmanjust read that Kopete has been shut down07:40
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kakaltokkathman; this is a sad day.07:42
kakaltodoes that mean GAIM is going down, too?07:42
kkathmanit IS sad...because that means possibly GAIM is next07:42
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kakaltothen what, skype? trillian?07:43
kkathmanI dunno07:43
kkathmanI dont see how tho..seeing that the APIs for AOL, MSN etc are published07:43
kkathmanbut it didnt go into details07:43
kakaltogo kopete.kde.org07:43
kkathmanhttp://www.linuxgazette.com/node/1012807:44
kkathmanIm not sure what patents it is infringing on07:45
kakaltoI agree with judland07:45
kkathmanbut it seems that AOL and the like shouldnt care...that just extends their own domain07:45
kakaltomove KDE to canada, where it's not allowed by law for someone to patent :)07:45
kkathmanwhy wouldnt Trilian be suspect07:45
kakaltohttp://kopete.kde.org/patents.html07:46
kkathmangeez I just read07:47
kkathmandamn Europeans07:47
kakaltodamn americans, too07:48
kkathmansee in the US AOL/ICQ and Trillian and a couple of other live peaceably07:48
kkathmannope...its not an issue here07:48
kkathmanno suits07:48
kakalto"Instant messaging, the hottest enterprise messaging technology after e-mail, belongs to AOL, at least according to the U.S. Patent Office, which has quietly issued a patent for a wide range of IM technologies and practices to AOL's ICQ subsidiary. "07:48
kkathmanthink about it, AOL/ICQ/MSN have everything to lose07:48
kakaltohttp://www.techweb.com/wire/26800442 <---- AOL patents IM, December 200207:49
kkathmanif they call patent infringement..then you got TONS of their OWN subscribers that cant talk to people07:49
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kkathmanIm not saying that they dont have patents...just that they arent going after anyone07:49
kakaltowhat do you mean?07:49
kakaltoAOL wouldn't lose out, would they?07:50
kkathmansure07:50
kkathmansee in Europe they are the ones issuing the mandate07:50
kkathmanin the US, it would take AOL to sue Trillian, etc07:50
kkathmanits socialism at its worst07:51
kkathmanI think I will patent air07:51
kkathmanthen everyone will have to pay me to breathe07:51
kakaltoI'll patent Oxygen, unless it's covered under your patent, I can breathe free :P07:52
kkathmanimagine how many people dont use AIM07:52
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kkathmannow you tell those people..you cant talk anymore07:52
kkathmanthats not what AOL wants07:52
kakaltotrue..07:53
kakaltoso who's pressing against kopete?07:53
kkathmannow...I dont know if GAIM is under that same thing07:53
kkathmankakalto...thats just it...no one07:53
kkathmanits just that European Foundation07:53
kakalto....with microsoft behind them?07:54
kkathmanthey have unilaterally said that Kopete cant do it...socialism at its best07:54
kkathmanagain, why would microsoft give a shit07:54
kkathmanits FREE07:54
kkathmancourse MS and AOL both tie that marketing crap with it07:54
kkathmanso maybe I can see them not liking it07:55
kakaltoMicrosoft might care because it's a program not made by them, connecting to their servers?07:56
kakaltohang on...07:56
kkathmanwell MS cares about $$$$ and since MSN does have those ads in their messenger, they might care a little...but not that much07:57
kkathmanits monopolistic again07:57
kkathmanbut07:57
kakaltosurely no-one but the actual patenter can actually go against things like kopete due to their own patent?07:57
kkathmanLike I said, nothing has gone on here in the US07:57
kakaltomove kde to canada07:57
kakaltothen kopete can frolick in the snow :P07:57
kkathmanexactly07:57
kkathmanwhere is kopete anyway?07:58
kakaltoI would assume, europe07:58
kakaltowherever kde is07:58
kakaltobut kopete isn't gone yet.07:59
kkathmanwell not yet07:59
kkathmanI mean technically, Xerox created the windows environment to begin with, so why dont they just sue everybody in the freakin world :)08:00
kakaltoheheheh08:00
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kkathmanwell Im off to bed...night all....good seeing you kakalto :) take care :)08:01
kakaltog'night :)08:01
kakaltooh, one last thing08:01
kkathmanok08:01
kakaltothe reason there's no fuss about kopete in america08:01
kakaltois because kopete isn't in america (officially) :P08:01
kkathmanwell yeah08:01
kkathmanbut08:01
kkathmanTrillian is08:01
kkathmanand there have been no suits that I know of against them08:02
kakaltotrue, I'd be curious to find out about that08:02
kakaltoindeed08:02
kakaltoseeya08:03
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kkathmanthey are in Connecticut08:03
kkathmanso08:03
kkathmanyanno...there doesnt seem to be a pursuit there08:04
kkathmanshrug :)08:04
kkathmanniters08:04
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imohi all09:59
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da_bon_bonhi all. does wine interface with the kernel closeley ? as in, if a program works on 2.6.11 , will the milage vary, say, on 2.6.12-rc2 /?10:05
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KaiLdoesn't matter10:05
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kakaltowow.12:20
kakaltothis is eventful12:20
kakaltog'night all12:20
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papohello, since the last few days I have nothing new in "apt-get update". Is that possible or is my kubuntu wrong?12:28
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Choubakapapo: it's normal12:30
papoChoubaka: ok :)12:30
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Puckaroohi12:46
Puckaroois there anyone here12:46
Puckarooi have a tiny problem with my tvcard12:47
Puckaroocan anyone help please?12:47
Diablo-D3ask in #ubuntu12:47
Puckaroook12:47
Puckaroothanx12:47
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Skamanhi guys01:14
Skamanhow can i launch kde from a console prompt'01:14
jentonstartx ?01:15
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Skamani have a problem...i was modifying my xorg.conf to let my 9 buttons mouse work01:16
Skamani modified rebooted and when i try to login I always get back to login prompt01:17
Skamane replaced xorg.conf with the original one but still the same01:17
karltkany easy trick to have gnome and kde have comparably sized fonts at the same dpi?01:17
Skamancan anybody help me :'(01:17
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karltkSkaman: check /var/log/Xorg.0.log01:18
Skamani get an error with fglrx01:18
Skamani replaced the file with the original one01:18
Skamanand i get other error01:18
Skamanbut i didnt modified nothing!01:19
Skaman(about the display)01:19
karltkyeah, I get the same error.01:21
Skamankarltk:same as mine?01:21
karltkif it was missing symbols, it's probably the same.01:22
Skamannow i look in the log01:22
Skamani can login in failsafe mode01:24
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mariovickhi01:40
mariovickalgun espaol por aqui?01:41
smoucheun poquito, mariovick, pero mejor intenta usar ingles aqui01:43
smouchesi puede01:44
carambolor go for PM01:48
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hussamif I try to login as root, I get "root login is not allowed". I already set a root password. how do I change this behavior?02:29
incubiiedit kdm.conf02:31
incubiitheres probably an option to allow root login02:32
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JuNkPhreak|UnIxcan anyone tell me why the run levels are changed in kubuntu ?02:43
JuNkPhreak|UnIxi cant change the inittab to 3 for cli02:43
da_bon_bonhow do i play "RIFF (little-endian) data, wrapped MPEG-1 (CDXA)" data on linux ? xine wont play it, with all plugins installed :( 02:44
amuJuNkPhreak|UnIx: the runlevels arent changed02:50
JuNkPhreak|UnIx?02:51
JuNkPhreak|UnIxi see 2-5 is gui02:52
JuNkPhreak|UnIxwth02:52
JuNkPhreak|UnIxso much for non gui trouble shooting or just plain cli mode02:52
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spiralhi03:03
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hussamhow do I switch to gdm03:41
hussam?03:41
hussamis there a way to switch from kdm to gdm or the opposite?03:43
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hussamanybody knows if there a way to switch from kdm to gdm or the opposite?03:45
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itay_How do I set kwrite to be my default writer (not Kate)03:56
itay_I don't want to change every file type in kcontrol, is there any other way to do that?03:56
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Super_Cat_Froghello all04:04
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Super_Cat_Froghi - ive just run bastille 2.something, but i would like to try 3 (its not in any repository i can find) so i installed the 'source' (its a script and the installer cp's or ln's, not sure. anyway, my problem is i cant execute bastille - it just give me --help like im giving invalid options when i do bastille or bastille --os DB3.0 - any idea's?04:18
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Verwilstman, my sound sucks under kubuntu04:28
Verwilstit's just fine in ubuntu ( gnome ) though04:29
Verwilstit constantly skips :(04:29
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itay_How do I set kwrite to be my default writer (not Kate)04:38
itay_I don't want to change every file type in kcontrol, is there any other way to do that?04:38
Super_Cat_Frogitay_ - yes04:40
Super_Cat_Froggimme a sec  and i'l find it for you04:40
Super_Cat_Frogverwilst - dont use arts for output, its crap04:41
alleeitay_: if you don't use kate, try to remove the package.04:41
Super_Cat_Frogitay_ - kcontrol > kde components > componant chooser > text editor04:41
VerwilstSuper_Cat_Frog, i know.. but i'm not sure how to use gstreamer under kde04:43
Super_Cat_Frogverwilst  - do you use amarok or juk?04:43
Verwilstjuk04:43
Verwilsti know there is an option04:43
Super_Cat_Frogok, gimme a sec04:43
Verwilstto switch to gstreamer04:43
Super_Cat_Frogthere#'s a few things to change04:43
Verwilstbut it won't play anything anymore now :)04:44
Verwilstokely :) thanks04:44
Super_Cat_Frogfirst you need to disable arts - kcontrol > system > sound > disable sound system (or something like that)04:44
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Super_Cat_Frogsecond i would recommend installing madplay (for knotify output)04:45
Super_Cat_Frogafter youve installed madplay, goto system notifications in kcontrol and click player settings > use an external player > madplay04:46
Super_Cat_Frogthen set juk to use gstreamer04:46
Super_Cat_Frogthat should work, although i use xine in amarok myself04:46
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VerwilstSuper_Cat_Frog, done that :)04:50
Verwilstsomething else?04:50
Verwilstjuk doesn't play anything still :$04:50
Super_Cat_Frogverwilst - how do you feel about using amarok? that has xine output, which is lighter and less complex than gstreamer04:50
Verwilstxine seems to work..04:54
Verwilstthanks04:54
Super_Cat_Frogs'ok04:54
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Super_Cat_Frogive just run bastille 2.something, but i would like to try 3 (its not in any repository i can find) so i installed the 'source' (its a script and the installer cp's or ln's, not sure. anyway, my problem is i cant execute bastille - it just give me --help like im giving invalid options when i do bastille or bastille --os DB3.0 - any idea's?04:56
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Skamancan anybody help me here http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2847504:57
Skaman?04:58
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Super_Cat_Frogskaman - post your xorg.conf on rafb.net/paste04:58
Super_Cat_Frogand your /var/log/Xorg.log04:59
Super_Cat_Frog(seperate pastes preferably)04:59
Skamank04:59
lilltigerhi all, im new to kubuntu (just testing it..) the doc says i need akode-mpeg to play mp3, but how do i get get it?05:00
Super_Cat_Froglilltiger - try sudo apt-get install akode-mpeg05:00
Super_Cat_Frogif you want to install stuff, best thing to try is this:05:00
Super_Cat_Frogsudo apt-get install %PROGRAMNAME 05:00
alleeSkaman: afaiu failsafe works?  then try to login into kde and when back check ~/.xsession-error  (maybe you have a *csh as login shell?)05:01
Skamanyes05:01
Skamanfailsafe works05:01
Super_Cat_Frogwhere %PROGRAMNAME is the name of your program - eg sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop05:01
alleeSkaman: fine so xorg.conf is not the problem05:01
lilltigerSuper_Cat_Frog: i tried that, but it says that the package doesent exist05:01
Skamanxorg.conf worked fine05:01
Skamantill tomorrow05:01
Skamantoday*ops*05:02
alleeSkaman: okay. 05:02
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Super_Cat_Frogliltiger - akode-mpeg is there for me, have a look in kynaptic05:02
Skamanallee i have .xsession-errors05:03
alleeSkaman: any error msg that gives you a glue what went wrong?05:03
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FoodcomanThat sounds like sticky business!05:04
Foodcoman=)05:04
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lilltigerSuper_Cat_Frog: couldent fint it there either, obly finds akode and no akode-mpeg05:04
chico_and:O?05:04
SkamanXsession: X session started for skaman at mer apr 20 17:02:16 CEST 200505:04
chico_and:O?05:04
chico_and:o05:04
Skamanthis is the only thing05:04
Skamanin there05:04
Super_Cat_Frogliltiger - it might not be in the default repositories05:04
Super_Cat_Frogliltiger - do you have universe enabled?05:04
alleeSkaman: uh.  then it's strange that you get automaticly log out again.05:04
Skamani really dunnow05:05
Skamani tried all thah i knew05:05
lilltigerSuper_Cat_Frog: dont think so05:05
Skamanbut nothing works05:05
Super_Cat_Frogskaman - try kbuildsycoca as the user that craps out05:05
Super_Cat_Froglilltiger - enable universe, then try apt-get install akode-mpeg05:05
alleeSkaman: and running startx from a linux console?05:05
Skamani have to isssue this command:"kbuildsycoca skaman"05:06
Skamanthe oputput is here05:06
Skamanhttp://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2847505:06
Skamantheres a photo05:06
Skamanof the screen05:06
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alleeSkaman:  purge imwheel?  (copy config files first ;)05:08
SkamanI try05:08
Skamanbut i removed it05:08
Skamansudo apt-get remove imwheel05:08
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SkamanSuper_Cat_Frog05:11
Skamani pasted the log05:11
Skamanhttp://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2847505:11
Super_Cat_Frogok05:12
chico_and=O05:12
Skamanallee i try "purge imwheel"05:12
Skamanwhat's the cmd?05:13
alleeSkaman: apt-get --purge remove imwheel # of course ;)05:13
Skamanok05:13
Super_Cat_Frogskaman - there's no EE's (fatal errors) in that log, your xorg.conf is fine (like allee said), and i have no knowlege of imwheel05:13
Skamantells me the package is not installed05:13
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Super_Cat_Frogskaman - install it then purge it05:14
Skamank05:14
Skamanok05:15
Skamandone05:15
Skamanmm05:15
Skamanmaybe workd05:15
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Skamansomething is goin on05:15
alleeSkaman: Hint  after a  apt-get remove <pkg>   you can use dpkg --purge <pkg>05:15
Skamanbut i cant translate it 05:16
Skamanor directly apt-get --purge remove<pkg> right?05:16
Skamanok05:17
Super_Cat_Frogdoes anybody know of a JRE in the repo's?05:17
Skamani've got an error05:17
Super_Cat_Frogive got hoary/breezy universe/multiverse enabled05:17
Skamanno write access to /home/skaman/.ICEauthority     KDE in unable to start05:17
Skaman*but that still something more*05:17
Super_Cat_Frogskaman - chown skaman:skaman -R /home/skaman/05:18
Super_Cat_Frog*sudo that05:18
Super_Cat_Frogsudo chown skaman:skaman -R /home/skaman/05:18
Skamank05:18
FoodcomanWhat do you guys use?  Firestarter or Shorewall?05:19
Skamanok done Super_Cat_frog05:19
Super_Cat_Frogdid work?05:20
Skamanyes05:20
SkamanOMG I LOVE U!!!!!!!!!05:20
Super_Cat_Frogfoodcoman - bastile05:20
Super_Cat_Frogskaman - sing it with me:05:20
Skamani'm on!!!!05:20
Super_Cat_Frogyou dont need pants for the victory dance05:20
Super_Cat_Frogetc05:20
Foodcomanhehehehe05:20
Skamanlol05:20
FoodcomanAnother happy camper.05:20
SkamanSuper_Cat_Frog05:20
Skamanso maybe the problem was removing imwheel?05:21
FoodcomanIf one wanted to master a corporate solution in a firewall which would be a solid choice?05:21
Super_Cat_Frogskaman - the problem that i fixed was a permissions problem. im not sure what caused that - maybe copying your /root to /home/skaman?05:21
Super_Cat_Frogfoodcoman - iptables05:21
Skamani didnt O_o05:21
Super_Cat_Frogskaman - then i dunno, if something is unwritable by your user and its in your home, just run that command05:22
Skamanthnx a lot man!05:22
Super_Cat_Frogits ok05:22
Skamanand thx allee too05:22
alleeSkaman: all honour goes to Super_Cat_Frog he/she/it found it ;)05:23
FoodcomanGracias05:23
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Super_Cat_Frogi think bathes is the word i was after anyway05:24
Super_Cat_Frogallee - lol at it, although im male05:24
Skamanreconnecting from my linux box05:24
Skaman:P05:24
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alleeSuper_Cat_Frog: he, he sorry.  on IRC one can never be sure ;)05:26
skamanhehe05:26
Super_Cat_Frogallee - its ok05:26
skamanSuper_Cat_Frog05:26
skamancan u pls paste e the cd05:26
skamancmd05:26
skaman*I'm taking notes05:26
Super_Cat_Frogwhen i made up the story about the supercatfrog i never did specify the cat and frogs sex anyway05:26
Super_Cat_Frogskaman:05:26
Super_Cat_Frogchown skaman:skaman -R /home/skaman05:27
Super_Cat_Frog(sudo that if run as skaman)05:27
Super_Cat_Frogthat means:05:27
Super_Cat_Frogchange_ownership user:group -recursive /location/to/chmod05:27
Super_Cat_Frog*-Recursive05:28
alleeSuper_Cat_Frog: my rule: chown -Rh ...05:28
lilltigerwhere can i get additional repositories? (cant find cgoban2 in thoes specified in the sources.list)05:28
skamanRecursive means ?05:28
alleeskaman: the subtree(s) too05:29
skamanahhh!05:29
skamanok05:29
skamanunderstood05:29
skamani know +1 now05:29
skaman^^05:29
alleelilltiger: http://ubuntuguide.org05:29
Super_Cat_Frogallee - thats what i was typing, except in a long, non-understadable way (damn words, not knowing when i want them)05:30
skamanI WAS WONDERING A FORMAT.....but then i tought Hey man this is linux not Windows!05:30
Super_Cat_Frogskaman - you could have fixed that by deleting your home directory (if you wanted to be violent about it)05:30
Super_Cat_Frogobviously creating a new home directory afterwards05:31
Super_Cat_Frogive recently been having problems with permissions because i got rid of gentoo and decided to take security seriously (i used to just be lazy and be root) 05:31
Super_Cat_Frogso chown and chmod have been very useful for me recently05:32
skaman^^05:32
skamanand what u can tell me about this? http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2830905:32
Super_Cat_Frogyour umask should be different for a start (lemme look up the order)05:33
Super_Cat_Frogactualy - allee-  is the umask AGU or UGA?05:34
Super_Cat_Frog(for octal values)05:34
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alleeSuper_Cat_Frog: [<stick>] <user><group><all> 05:35
Super_Cat_Frogta05:36
Super_Cat_Frogskaman - your umask shold be 70005:36
Super_Cat_Frognot 00005:36
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skamanok05:36
skamanI try05:36
skamani edit05:37
skamanumount05:37
Super_Cat_Frog/etc/fstab05:37
skamanremount05:37
skamanand see05:37
Super_Cat_Frogyes05:37
Super_Cat_Frogwell actually05:37
Super_Cat_Frogedit /etc/fstab then mount -a /dev/whatever -o remount05:37
Super_Cat_Frogif you use mount -a whatever -o remount, you can make changes to your / filesystem05:37
Super_Cat_Frog(without rebooting)05:38
skamanyez05:38
skamansudo mount -a /dev/hdb1 -o remount05:39
Super_Cat_Frogyes05:39
skamanthis is what i made05:39
skamansame error05:39
skaman:(05:39
alleeskaman, Super_Cat_Frog: pardon?  umask is  bit AND'ed  so  umask 022  # or paramoid 02705:40
lilltigerhmm added all thoes repositiries sugested at http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories and quite meny of em seams to fail.. and still no cgoban2 :(05:40
Super_Cat_Frogi wasn't expecting that to fix that, but you were going to run into permissions problems later on05:40
skamanallee speak english pls :D05:40
Super_Cat_Frogalee - sorry, i didn't understand that05:40
skamanSuper_Cat_Frog ah ok05:41
skamanand any idea on fix that?05:41
alleeSuper_Cat_Frog:  check output of umask command05:41
Super_Cat_Frogok05:41
Super_Cat_Frogi dont have umask apparently05:42
alleeskaman, Super_Cat_Frog : busy.  bbl05:42
Super_Cat_Frogok05:42
Super_Cat_Frogskaman - wait there, i'l do some research on umask05:42
skaman;)05:42
skamanbut i can delete a file05:42
skamanbut not a folder05:42
skamani can create it05:42
skamanmove it05:42
skamanrename it05:43
skamanbut not get it into trash05:43
skamanTrash protocol dont support folder creation"05:43
skamanthis is the error (i translated it...so maybe is not xfect"05:43
Super_Cat_Frogskaman - your umask should be 000 - my  bad05:44
Super_Cat_Frogim not sure about your trash problem though05:44
Super_Cat_Froggimme a sec with that05:44
skamanlol05:44
Super_Cat_Frogor 027 if your paranoid05:44
skamanno i'm not paranoid05:45
skamani'm natted too05:45
skamanso i'm pretty UNparanoid05:45
lilltigervfat filsystem?05:45
lilltigerfile..05:46
skamanyes05:46
lilltigerumask=000 should be enought as option for it then05:46
skamani re set it to 00005:46
skamanomg everyday kde tv channel list resets05:47
Super_Cat_Frogsorry skaman, im not sure about your trash problem05:47
Super_Cat_Frogskaman - i'd recommend tvtime over kdetv05:47
skamantvtime?05:48
lilltiger /dev/hda6       /mnt/ftp2       vfat    umask=000       0       005:48
Super_Cat_Frogor if youve got a lot of spare time and a lot of hard drive space, mythtv is great05:48
lilltigeri mount my vfat like that.. 05:48
Super_Cat_Frogskaman - its simple, fast and good looking05:48
skamanand u can drop folders?05:48
skamankdetv works fine05:48
Super_Cat_Frogskaman - i thought you said you were having problems with the channel list?05:48
skamanbut everyday channels disappear!05:48
skamanmaybe is connected with the other problem...05:49
skaman??05:49
lilltigerskaman: just tried, nope dosent work for me =) (first time ever i tried to use the trashbin) =)05:49
Super_Cat_Frogi shouldn't think so - the kde channel list is probably saved in ~/.kde/share/apps/kdetv/channellist.xml or something like that05:49
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skamanlilltigerso is not a problem of mine05:52
skamanminre problem only i mean05:52
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Super_Cat_Frogi have a major gripe with the way kde handles default browsers (its a bug in the code, ive reported it)05:53
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lilltigerskaman: nope, and is easy to repoduce so report it as a bug =)05:55
lilltiger*dosent get akode to work* =( followed the instructions.. but no akode engine in amarok05:56
Super_Cat_Frogif anybody uses a browser other than konqueror, and uses akregator, klamav or occasionally konqueror as a browser, please vote on this bug: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8165405:56
Super_Cat_Froglilltiger - try running kbuildsycoca05:56
Super_Cat_Frogi had to do that to get amarok to find the xine output engine05:56
lilltigerohh, shouldent be nessesary at all.. hmm05:57
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skamannow i try to save the channell list05:58
skamancoz i @#@#@##@@ to have to re set channels everyday05:58
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Super_Cat_Frogskaman - you could make it recreate your channel list every time you login05:59
lilltigerSuper_Cat_Frog: dident help :(06:00
skamanthat's an idea06:00
skamanbut i cannot explain why this happensa06:00
Super_Cat_Froglilltiger - i also built from cvs sources before i ran that command, not sure if that helped or not (you could try the xine plugin if you dont use arts for anything else)06:00
skamananyway i saved a copy of the file now06:01
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skaman:@06:01
lilltigerdo i need to run anything else then apt-get install akode-mpeg06:01
lilltigerSuper_Cat_Frog: name of the xine-plugin?06:01
skamando anyone of u have a MXxxx mouse?06:01
Super_Cat_Frogskaman - write a simple script to create a hard link to your backed up channel list to kdetv's channel list file06:01
Super_Cat_Froglilltiger - amarok-xine i think06:01
Super_Cat_Froglilltiger - but arts locks the sound iirc, so you have to use madplay or something else for audio output for knotify06:02
skamanSuper_Cat_Frog i wish i could do that i'm newbie user (linux from few days)06:02
Super_Cat_Frogskaman - open up your /home/skaman/.kde/Autostart folder06:02
Super_Cat_Frogthen right click, create new, link to application06:02
skamanyes06:03
lilltigerSuper_Cat_Frog: well.. to remove all sounds from knotify is like the first thing i do anyways =)06:03
Super_Cat_Frogcall it whatever you like and click the application tab 06:03
skamanyezz06:03
Super_Cat_Frogand in command put this:06:04
Super_Cat_Frogln /home/skaman/mychannellist.xml /where/ever/the/kde/tv/channel/list/goes.xml06:04
lilltigerfound the xineplugin but not the akode :(06:05
Super_Cat_Froglilltiger - the xine plugin is recommended by the amarok devs anyway06:05
lilltigerwell akode produces the best sound and works best under load..06:06
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lilltigerbut then., ill probly go back to Gentoo.. dosent like this apt-get system.. feels ackward =)06:07
Super_Cat_Froglilltiger - i miss gentoo too06:08
Super_Cat_Frogpeople say useflags dont serve any purpose, but ive now found they do#06:08
Super_Cat_Frogbut i cant be arsed waiting fr the compile times anymore06:08
lilltigerjust takes so long to install it..06:08
lilltigerotherwise id say its superior.. and the portage is alot better =)06:08
Super_Cat_Frogive still got mine installed, just incase (and because i _know_ my mythtv is working in gentoo, im still fiddling with it in kubuntu)06:08
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skamani have problems with kopete too Super_Cat_Frog remember we was talking few days ago?06:09
skamani did 3 hours memtest without any error06:09
lilltigerim just testing this out.. was alot fuzz about it.. well im not impressed at all.. quite the contuary..06:10
lilltigerskaman: what kinda problems?06:10
lilltigerkopete 10.0 totaly sux :(06:10
skamanwhen i halt or even when I end my session kopete crashes06:11
Super_Cat_Frogkopete works great for me, they ironed out the bugs good from the RC's06:11
skaman(is always open)06:11
Super_Cat_Frogskaman - have you tried disabling sessions in kde? they annoy me anyway (im not sure if that would fix it though)06:11
skamanno i didnt06:11
skamanhow can i do?06:12
Chin2anybody know of a good css editor for kubuntu?06:12
buzhow about new packages for firefox? (and thunderbird is quite out of date...)06:12
lilltigerfor me kopete messes up teh online icq database so i cannot connect for several hours and stuff..06:12
Super_Cat_Frogkcontrol > kdecomponents > session manager  > start with an empty session06:12
skamanok06:12
skamani did06:12
skamanlet's see06:12
Super_Cat_Frogbuz - no more updates except security for hoary now, you have to add breezy to your repo's06:12
skamancomin back in a sec06:13
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Super_Cat_Frogok06:13
Super_Cat_Froglilltiger - i only use it for MSN - fine for me06:13
lilltigerSuper_Cat_Frog: ahh, yes msn works fine06:13
buzfirefox and thunderbird ARE security updates06:13
buzand its not in breezy, either06:13
Super_Cat_Frogbuz - the patches will be backported06:13
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Super_Cat_Froglilltiger - have you tried using kopete for jabber using jabber > icq?06:14
lilltigerSuper_Cat_Frog: nope06:14
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skamansame thing06:14
skamani was thinking to purge andthen reinstall kopete06:14
Super_Cat_Frogsorry skaman, i have no more idea's on that - you could try in #kde though06:15
alleeskaman: MXxxx mouse?   that's a logitech bluetooth mouse?  Problems?06:15
Super_Cat_Frogskaman - what protocols do you use?06:15
skamanlogitech mx510 usb mouse06:15
skaman(even if i use it in ps2)06:15
skamani woul let all buttons work06:15
alleeskaman: usb? boring ;)06:15
alleeskaman: start xev  in konsole.   you use the additional wheels, buttons.  Any output of xev written?06:17
skamani never used wireless mouses06:17
skamani am a netgamer no wires +ms06:17
buzis anyone using breezy?06:18
skamanallee lot of output06:18
lilltigeryhee because radiowaves is slower then copperwires.. or.. err emm =)06:19
alleeskaman: when xev generates output when you press buttons and/or wheels then everything looks right for me 06:19
alleeskaman: what's the problem?06:19
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skamanwell the 9th button do not generate any output06:20
skamanmaybe  for the others i should just config it06:20
Super_Cat_Frogbuz - i have breezy in my repo's and its working fine so far06:21
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Super_Cat_Frogskaman - try xorgcfg06:22
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uniqbuz: i'm using breezy too.. no (big) problems yet..06:22
buzmhh cups is broken since i got breezy06:22
uniqhotplug is kinda' weird too.. need to load some modules manually..06:23
buzit does patiently weird stuff06:23
uniqand udev is somehow broken.. i've been told.06:23
buzmhh cups claimed the printer aint there but i can feed PS2 to it through /dev/usb so i don't think hotplug is the problem06:23
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buzaaaaaaaaah06:23
buzthat might be it then06:23
skamanSuper_Cat_Frog i was doing this http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2837406:23
buzmhh nooow06:23
buzhow to downgrade udev06:23
skamanwhen my system breacked down06:24
uniqbuz: yeah.. might be the same problem.. /dev/usb* is owned by root or something.. 06:24
skamani'll retry06:24
skamanmaybe i'm luckyer06:24
buznot even stuff running as root can print (besides, cups is running as root i think)06:24
uniqhum.06:24
uniqbuz: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2728606:25
buzso lets downgrade udev back to hoary06:25
uniqpost #18 for downgrading.06:25
uniqerr.. #1706:25
uniqthat's mine :)06:25
uniqshooot.. 14.. damn quoting :)06:26
buznow i suppose i need to reboot right06:26
uniqyou can try to restart udev06:27
buzi'm gonna go eat dinner anyway ;-906:27
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Super_Cat_Frogis it possible to mask a single version of a package, like in gentoo "echo =catagory/app-1.2.3 >> /etc/portage/package.mask"?06:31
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skamanok guys i made it06:38
bhnawhy depends superkaramba on xmms and gtk 1.206:38
skamanif u don't see me back all went bad again06:38
skaman:D06:38
zaneI have been using Kubuntu for last 2 months now and this is the best distro I have used so far. Everything works as it is supposed to. only thing that wouldnt work is my sound.. other than that, everything else is flawless here06:40
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skamanyezzz i did it!!!!06:42
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ubuntuHEEELP07:05
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buzi downgraded udev to hoarz, now it wont boot anymore07:05
buzfirst it cant find stuff in proc, then hangs saying something about ICE socket07:06
uniqthat's not udev.. afaik.07:06
uniqusing kmyfirewall? 07:06
buzno07:06
uniqothers have the same problem.. i've seen posts blaming kmyfirewall.. 07:07
uniqcan you boot in singleuser mode? 07:07
buzive booted the live cd now07:07
buzcan mount the fs07:07
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buzok i should remove  home/.ICEAuthoritz07:10
buzlets see if it helps07:10
buzmhh no07:18
buzbut maybe i go back to breezy and wait for it to settle07:18
buzbbl07:18
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_buzok, anyone on breezy DON'T DOWNGRADE udev, your machine will be broken after that07:30
_buznow lets see what happens if i downgrade EVERYTHING to hoary07:31
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uniq_buz, did you manage to upgrade udev? 07:32
_buzyeah reupgrading it gives a bootable system again07:32
uniqok.07:33
_buzmight wanna post that to the forums07:33
uniqdone.07:33
_buzi'll report my results with downgrading to hoary via apt-pinning07:33
uniqgreat :)07:33
_buzhttp://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DowngradingFromHoaryHowTo seems easy enough to adapt to hoary ;-)07:33
_buzthank god i got a fast pipe07:34
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leafwhi all. Is anyone using powerpc and Airport cards? Why the kwifimanager does not enable the usage of encryption in wireless LANs?07:43
leafwhaven't found any reports so far.07:43
_buzairport or airport extreme? the latter isnt supported07:44
leafw_buz: aiport.07:45
leafw_buz: just old plain AirPort in a PowerBook Titanium G4 1GHz from 2002.07:45
_buzah07:45
_buzi only got recent ibooks with extreme here, those don't work at all :-(07:46
leafwI've reported to the kubuntu mailing list and there's another guy with the same problem, but noone knows anything about it.07:46
_buzso sadly i dunno anything about airport07:46
leafwwell, if you ever hear about ... let me know!07:46
_buzsooo, now let's see if my downgrade works07:46
_buzwish me luck07:46
leafwI will try to contact the kwifimanager guys and the kubuntu people07:47
leafwdowngrade to what, previous kubuntu releases ?07:47
_buzyeah from breezy (prealpha) to hoary (stable)07:47
_buzi was crazy enough to go to the development version07:47
leafwI'm using hoary and it doesn't work !07:47
leafwthe kwifimanager I mean .. the rest is really ok07:47
_buzhavent got a laptop here to check07:48
_buzwifi is often trouble on linux anyway07:48
leafw_buz: don't known, Apple makes it's own hardware and fine-tuned software along it, so it always works.07:49
leafw_buz : I'd like to get this working to get rid of macosx altogether.07:49
_buzyeah07:49
_buzbut i dont like osx that much07:49
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leafw_buz : I'm tired of not being able to use new versions of java or python just because apple hasn't released them for 10.2 and pretens I spent some $100 for an "update" to 10.3 or 10.407:51
_buzmhh python you can probably get07:51
_buzjava is harder i guess07:51
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_buzanyway, im gonna reboot07:51
leafwxD07:51
leafwsee you07:51
n0mad5000i have a problem.... amarok has no sound sytem to choose from... help?07:52
n0mad5000similar i guess with other audio applications07:52
n0mad5000please?07:52
n0mad5000i'm on kubuntu, of course07:53
n0mad5000:)07:53
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n0mad5000oh, anyone? please?07:53
bhnan0mad5000: apt-get install amarok-engines07:54
n0mad5000oh, thx07:54
n0mad5000brb07:54
nubbeis kubuntu less integrated than ubuntu, so to speak?07:55
JuNkPhreak|UnIxdose alien work with kubuntu ?07:55
nubbeI tried kde-desktop in hoary-pre and had some problems07:55
nubbelike konqueror dieng rigth and left07:56
nubbeor is it as good as ubuntu now?07:57
nubbeor am I rude?07:57
nubbe:)07:58
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n0madokay, i don-t have the package amarok-engines08:00
n0madbut i don-t believe that's the problem08:00
JuNkPhreak|UnIxmines fine08:00
JuNkPhreak|UnIxno real issues just some settings to tweak08:00
n0madwhen i try to start a song, i get kde crash08:00
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n0madartd caused error in soundserver... or something like that08:01
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buzdamned apt pinning and downgrade doesnt work either08:01
buzresults in the same problem as with downgraded udeve08:01
n0madokay, please guys, help?08:01
_martinnomad u got a creative mp3 player?08:02
_martinyour name..?08:02
n0madnopr08:02
n0mad*nope08:02
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_martinoki just checking.. got problems08:02
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n0madokay, anyone? multimedia applications causing crash when i try to launch some file08:03
n0madaudio file08:03
ManLordanyone with tv card here?08:04
buzkaffeine iss broken08:04
buzothers work for me08:04
ManLord7help08:05
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JuNkPhreak|UnIxi del kaffeine cant stand that progie08:07
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whiskersok...i was finally able to get midi working on ubuntu with the help of a jack server08:23
whiskersbut it comes at an expense.....i have to stop esd in order to play midi08:23
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Choubakahm.08:24
buzmhh back where i started, using breezy...08:24
Choubakamaybe you can make esd use jack.08:24
whiskersso i suppose the hardware is not too good as it used to be08:24
Choubakathough a sound daemon using a sound daemon is...08:24
Choubakahorror08:24
whiskersChoubaka, it seems that the ac_97codec as far as i can tell can only allow either midi or pcm but not both simultaneously08:24
Choubakahmm.08:25
Choubakayou can play midi in hardware? :|08:25
ChoubakaI can't :(08:25
whiskersChoubaka, yes i am using an intel8x008:25
whiskersChoubaka, it can be done and the mid files do play with the help of jack08:25
ChoubakaI should get an SBlive card.08:25
whiskersChoubaka, but i can't play regular sound and midi at the same time08:26
Choubakahardware mixing and soundfonts :P~08:26
whiskersChoubaka, as far as i can tell it is really a hardware issue08:26
ChoubakaYeah08:26
Choubakamost soundcards are crap.08:26
ChoubakaI wish freepats was a more comprehensive collection of instruments08:27
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whiskersChoubaka, oh...you know about freepats08:27
ChoubakaIt doesn't play nearly all midis corretly :/08:27
whiskersChoubaka, well i don't want to tell everybody everything08:27
ChoubakaYeah. :)08:27
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whiskersChoubaka, except that midi can be done if you are willing to do it separately on these cheap intel sound chip designs08:28
whiskersChoubaka, and it has to be done with synthesizers and soundfonts08:28
Choubakayeah. I know.08:28
ChoubakaI've toyed with timidity.08:28
Choubakabut it uses a _HUGE_ amount of CPU. :p08:29
whiskersChoubaka, well timidity is a little slow compared to fluidsynth but both can be used08:29
whiskersChoubaka, or either08:29
ChoubakaI have a c-media chip so I can't play midis in hardware.08:29
whiskersChoubaka, yes i know the hardware is cheap08:29
ChoubakaI'll try fluidsynth.08:29
whiskersChoubaka, well try a jack server and fluidsynth08:30
whiskersChoubaka, it does work on ubuntu just as good as gentoo08:30
ChoubakaHmm.08:32
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ChoubakaIsn't there a free soundfont anywhere?08:39
Choubakafreepats doesn't seem to contain soundfonts.08:39
whiskersChoubaka, and yes these people can all play midi files...they just can't play both midi and pcm simultaneously if they have cheap hardware....at least at this time08:44
ChoubakaHmm.08:45
Choubakait might be possible by hardware mixing.08:45
Choubakaerr08:45
Choubakasoftware mixing08:45
Choubakause a softsynth to play midi, send that to jack; use a program to play other audio, which is also sent to jack; jack mixes those, and sends it to the soundcard for playing.08:46
ChoubakaDamn I hate cheapo consumer rip-off hardware.08:46
whiskersChoubaka, well possibilities are endless but it aint happenin today....at the moment if they want both midi and pcm simultaneously...they will have to buy a good sound card08:51
ChoubakaNah, I think it's possible.08:52
ChoubakaThough I wouldn't guarantee it'll work very well.08:52
ChoubakaThey should improve upon ALSA's dmix plugin.08:53
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ChoubakaIME it causes horrible latencies.08:53
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whiskersChoubaka, try the jack realtime server....i think you will be pleased at what the cheap hardware can do...it just can't do things simultaneously at this time08:55
Kyaneoshello08:55
Choubakawhiskers: Hmm.08:56
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whiskersChoubaka, if you want to experiment with it ...check out qjackctrl08:58
whiskersChoubaka, it makes things a little easier08:58
whiskersChoubaka, it is in synaptic08:58
zAo^how can I tell KDE to use Opera in stead of konqueror ?08:59
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skamanhi08:59
skamananyone knows how to share a linux printer with a machintosh?09:01
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skamananyone knows how to share a linux printer with a machintosh?09:01
Kyaneoshi09:01
skamanhi09:01
zAo^srry skaman 09:05
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christiansalve09:17
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bhnahas anyboddy sucess with extendedPDF and openoffice?09:19
bhnaextendedPDF http://www.jdisoftware.co.uk/pages/epdf-home.php09:21
bhnaany tips?09:21
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whiskerswell i guess the basics work on ubuntu with the exception of the linmodem driver which is important09:28
whiskersand if they could get software mixing to work properly with this cheap sound hardware that would be even better09:29
whiskersbut it really seems to me that for these rosegarden types of issues.....freedos32 would have advantages....as a dual boot system...if they ever get it going09:33
whiskersi think while MS and Apple battle it out for the desktop....most of us will just use linux09:37
whiskersi did manage to make a couple of improvements on wine in its config file...but there is still the problem of the cdtest in The Beast Within......i noticed it some time ago on MS platform....but it is an improvement in wine because at least it begins to install09:47
whiskersso wine has had some improvement...but dosbox is seriously lacking...i think it would be better to have a dual boot freedos32 approach09:48
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whiskersbecause a working freedos32 when that happens should easily be able to support all the regular dos games in a section of its memory capacity09:49
whiskersunless all you people want to pay megabucks to MS or Apple09:51
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hussamother than the once mentioned in http://ubuntuguide.org , what other apt repositories can I add?09:54
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Super_Cat_Froghi - does anybody know where my girlfriends tweezers are?10:02
Super_Cat_Frogalso, is anybody else having problems with hotplug?10:03
Super_Cat_Frogwhen i boot it stops at  Starting Hotplug Subsystem10:03
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whiskersi think ubuntu should at least supply the linmodem module for its precompiled kernel...at least we could load and unload it for testing10:14
whiskerssince they don't want to compile it in for some reason10:15
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whiskersnow it may be possible to just separately compile the winmodem....errrr...i mean linmodem module....and use a script to fix the module versions10:23
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\shhmmm..k3b has no deps to cdrdao?10:26
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Super_Cat_Froghmm - ive just found i dont have a /etc/udev/udev.conf - could somebody tell me how to get the default udev config files back?10:28
Super_Cat_Frogif i copy my udev.conf from gentoo over, should that work?10:28
whiskersSuper_Cat_Frog, if you already have gentoo running...you have nothing to gain by moving to ubuntu...ubuntu is for beginners10:29
Super_Cat_Frogwhiskers - im bored of the compile times10:29
Super_Cat_Frogi miss the control of gentoo, but i like just doing sudo apt-get install whatever and in %DOWNLOADTIME+5seconds its installed10:30
alleeSuper_Cat_Frog: Hi.  check in what pkg udev.conf is.  Download the deb and dpkg -i --force-confmiss <pkg>10:30
Super_Cat_Frogthanks allee10:30
Super_Cat_Frogallee - how do i search for packages containing udev.conf? ive tried apt-cache search10:31
alleeSuper_Cat_Frog: dpkg -S udev.conf10:31
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Super_Cat_Frogta10:33
annaAnybody can point me to details about the HP contract for Ubuntu?10:33
Super_Cat_Froghow can i download the .deb - i cant find any .debs on http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary/main/binary-i386/10:37
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alleeSuper_Cat_Frog: [I only look at konversation from time to time.  use 'allee' so I get a ping ] 10:38
Super_Cat_Frogok10:39
alleeSuper_Cat_Frog: apt-get --download-only --reinstall install <pkg>10:39
Super_Cat_Frogthanks10:39
alleeSuper_Cat_Frog: dpkg -i --force-confmiss /var/cache/apt/archive/<pkg>...deb10:39
alleeSuper_Cat_Frog: (all modulo typos of course)10:40
whiskersSuper_Cat_Frog, yes well you can use dpkg...yes but try timidity or playmidi....then you have to go back and recompile them yourself because of the sound card options10:40
Super_Cat_Frogwhiskers - what?10:40
whiskersSuper_Cat_Frog, synaptic works sometimes....but in many cases you have to compile the code yourself based on your hardware choices10:40
whiskersSuper_Cat_Frog, go compile playmidi...it is easy and see what i am talking about10:41
Super_Cat_Frogi dont have or want to play midifiles, so its ok10:41
Super_Cat_Frogone last question - how do i lock a files version? i dont want to upgrade udev again10:42
MarkrianSuper_Cat_Frog, pinning. man apt_preferences10:43
Super_Cat_Frogthanks10:44
MarkrianAnother thing to try is to use aptitude - by far and away the best apt frontend ever10:44
Markrian(imo)10:45
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whiskersman some of these people really make it hard to print web pages....firefox would not do one..but nvu got it11:00
phxguycan anyone help me with getting kubuntu to auto detact cramfs?11:02
phxguydetect i mean11:02
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whiskerswow...that nvu really came in handy for printing some of this stuff on the web11:14
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easyeasehi11:28
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comforteagleI just installed kubuntu on my g4 ibook.  All the fonts & app windows are waaay to big to be useful.. what do I use to adjust things like this?11:30
easyeaseim fed up tryin ti install javaruntime11:32
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easyeaseno one says much in here11:35
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spiderwormhey all how do I get the shutdown, hibernate options in KDE on hoary 5.0411:36
whiskerseasyease, well there is not much to talk about except glom still doesn't work....no linmodem driver module for the kernel....and ...the gnome menueditor is broken....the rest is usable11:36
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whiskerseasyease, most everyone has their stuff working just like they want it11:37
easyeasehi whiskers!im kinda new to it all... was on windows til i got a worm lastweek.11:38
easyeaseor rathermy pc11:39
whiskerseasyease, well....it takes a while to get to know the issues....but it is a usable system....just not as polished as the expensive MS and Apple stuff11:39
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easyeaseyeah a few glitches to iron out eh. got potential11:42
whiskerseasyease, yes there is still about 3 or 4 bugs.11:42
easyeaseive had probs with things freezing up .the media players11:44
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whiskerseasyease, that usually happens if you have your sound outputs wrong11:44
whiskerseasyease, be sure to configure them properly11:44
easyeaseok ill look into that. thanks!11:45
whiskerseasyease, for example if you are using arts or esd don't configure xmms for alsa11:45
whiskerseasyease, configure it for what you are using11:45
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whiskerseasyease, but anyway...the logitech wingmans work, the usb stuff works, the opengl stuff works, the dvd stuff mostly works, and external faxmodems work...but not the cheap ones11:48
whiskerseasyease, and something needs to be done about that11:48
whiskerseasyease, so plenty works....but there are some bugs left for people to work on11:49
whiskerseasyease, i am trying to find a way to seed a bittorrent file from behind NAT with a non-public address...can you tell me if you see the file on gnome torrent....you don't have to download it...i am just trying to test something11:50
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\shmorning amu11:52
amu-moin sh11:53
\shamu: u r famous ;) http://dot.kde.org/1113894130/11:53
amu-hehe11:53
easyeaseivenever used gnome torrent.could take a while.lol11:53
\shamu: and they're trolling around why that distro and those distros are not mentioned on dko ;)11:54
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whiskerseasyease, well i am trying to figure out how to post a torrent file on someone else's tracker11:56
amu-sh: yep very funny, they compare the great kubuntu with a liveCD named kanotix :) 11:56
whiskerseasyease, since i am behind a NAT firewall11:56
whiskerseasyease, i would like to know if it works...but first i have to find a tracker i can post on11:57
easyeaseah i see. im behind a router11:57
whiskerseasyease, yes i know...these damn NAT routers aren't worth crap...but i cannot get the virtual wan stuff working on my other router that does not have NAT11:58
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kubunterohello 11:58
\shamu: yeah..:) but the most interessting discussions is on ian murdocks blog ;) 11:59
\shdebian vs. ubuntu ;)11:59
kubunterohow to install theme for gaim  ?11:59
easyeasecant you configure a path through router?11:59
whiskerseasyease, well on the internet there are public addresses that can be reached and there are NATTED addresses than  can't be reached12:00
whiskerseasyease, like 192.168.25.26712:00

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