[12:01] <yahalom> Foodcoman: so why does my Kaudioripper not  work
[12:01] <yahalom> ?
[12:01] <Foodcoman> whiskers: ghex-12.1
[12:01] <KaiL_> what want's a gnome user, who get's confused by more than 3 options with a hex editor? :)
[12:02] <Foodcoman> yahalom: I am unfamiliar with that app...   Sorry.
[12:02] <yahalom> Foodcoman: what do u use?
[12:02] <Foodcoman> KaiL_:  hehehehe.
[12:03] <Foodcoman> yahalom: have totem, xmms and mplayer VLC installed for vid and audio.
[12:03] <Foodcoman> yahalom: I dont do much music
[12:04] <Foodcoman> yahalom: Oh and Kaffine is on there also.  I mostly stream from shoutcast.com with xmms.
[12:04] <whiskers> yahalom, you know what i would do.....backup xorg.conf....then go ahead and install nvidia-glx and nvidia-glx-configure
[12:04] <whiskers> yahalom, then do nvidia-glx-configure enable
[12:04] <whiskers> yahalom, then go back to new xorg.conf and change the driver to ati
[12:04] <whiskers> yahalom, and see if it works
[12:05] <KaiL_> whiskers: WTF?
[12:05] <KaiL_> what are you trying there?
[12:05] <yahalom> whiskers: thanx. i wont do it now, it 1am. and i cant sleep with until i fix what i screw up,
[12:05] <abbas> how can  mount usb devices ntfs for ppc
[12:05] <Alien_II> KaiL_,  please dont swear.. this is a family channel :)
[12:05] <KaiL_> you know, that nVidia doesn't use dri and so you'd f*ck up the whole config?
[12:05] <yahalom> KaiL_: scary huh? trying to get the savers to work.
[12:06] <whiskers> KaiL_, well that is why i told him to make a backup first
[12:06] <KaiL_> whiskers: doesn't help, that overwrites files in /usr/X11R6/..
[12:07] <whiskers> KaiL_, you mean it changes the binaries and the libs
[12:07] <KaiL_> if you want 3D on any non-nvidia-card, it's the most important thing to have NO nvidia-sshit on your computer
[12:07] <whiskers> KaiL_, for X
[12:07] <KaiL_> it replaces libGL.so with a not dri-compatible version
[12:07] <whiskers> KaiL_, whoa....that is rough
[12:08] <yahalom> especially sinc ati doesnt like any foreign stuff
[12:08] <KaiL_> this would also f*ck the system for matrox, intel or whatever else is there
[12:08] <whiskers> yahalom, well i have an ATI card...i need to experiment with it...but i don't have another computer to put it in
[12:09] <KaiL_> hehe
[12:10] <KaiL_> here comes my ATI-howto:
[12:10] <KaiL_> install linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-5-386 fglrx-control xorg-driver-fglrx
[12:10] <abbas> h how can  mount usb devices ntfs for ppc
[12:11] <KaiL_> fglrxconf
[12:11] <KaiL_> change the driver in xorg.conf to "ati"
[12:11] <KaiL_> put fglrx into /etc/modules
[12:11] <yahalom> KaiL_: i changed it to fglrx and it works
[12:11] <KaiL_> ...and finally reboot ;)
[12:12] <kakalto> so, does anyone know why GL screensavers won't work on my system using the nvidia driver, and no other gfx issues?
[12:12] <KaiL_> yahalom: eh, yes 
[12:12] <yahalom> kakalto: nope
[12:12] <whiskers> kakalto, KaiL_ is giving you his approach to try...heh...nobody really knows
[12:13] <KaiL_> stupid drivers
[12:13] <KaiL_> kakalto: nvidia hardware? here it goes:
[12:13] <yahalom> KaiL_: i broke my head over it for weeks, then finally got it working and it's really simple...yet it breaks ur head
[12:13] <KaiL_> install nvidia-glx linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-5-386
[12:14] <KaiL_> put "nvidia" in the xorg.conf
[12:14] <KaiL_> and be happy
[12:14] <kakalto> I already did that...
[12:15] <kakalto> except I use 686, not 386
[12:15] <whiskers> kakalto, doesn't make much difference...386 code works on 686
[12:15] <KaiL_> whiskers: no
[12:15] <kakalto> yeah
[12:15] <kakalto> but still
[12:15] <KaiL_> it must be the same as the kernel is...
[12:15] <whiskers> KaiL_, oh...that is right because it is a module
[12:15] <kakalto> I go into the screensavers, and click on a GL one, it doesn't do anything
[12:16] <KaiL_> kakalto: try glxgears
[12:16] <KaiL_> does that work?
[12:16] <whiskers> kakalto, well i have nvidia here and it works
[12:16] <kakalto> KaiL_, it runs fine, yeah
[12:16] <whiskers> kakalto, all i did was use synaptic and install nividia-glx
[12:16] <kakalto> whiskers, the screensavers in the kontrol panel
[12:16] <KaiL_> so it's not a driver issue
[12:16] <kakalto> yeah
[12:16] <KaiL_> why on earth, somebody wants a 3D screensaver? :)
[12:16] <whiskers> kakalto, it should work
[12:16] <kakalto> for that matter...
[12:17] <whiskers> kakalto, just use synaptic install nvidia-glx and nvidia-glx-configure
[12:17] <whiskers> kakalto, then type sudo nvidia-glx-configure enable
[12:17] <whiskers> kakalto, thats it
[12:17] <kakalto> if the screensavers are under the "OpenGL screensavers" section, they work, but not outside of that section
[12:17] <LeeJunFan> I had a similar problem on my system with ATI. Mine was that somehow the damn MesaGL kept taking over. glxgears worked but kde screensavers were blank.
[12:17] <kakalto> maybe it's those specific screensavers?
[12:17] <KaiL_> yahalom: glxgears works for you?
[12:17] <KaiL_> even quite fast?
[12:17] <yahalom> KaiL_: yes
[12:18] <yahalom> KaiL_: cedega games work, everything works
[12:18] <whiskers> kakalto, oh...you are talking about a particular set of screensavers not all opengl screensavers
[12:18] <KaiL_> maybe something is f*cked with kdes screensavers?
[12:18] <kakalto> now I noticed, yeah
[12:18] <whiskers> yahalom, yes well i would expect cedega to work since it is commercial
[12:18] <LeeJunFan>  /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 was linked to the mesa lib, not the ATI provided GL libs.
[12:18] <kakalto> KaiL_, maybe
[12:18] <LeeJunFan> err /usr/X11/lib
[12:18] <yahalom> whiskers: windows never worked
[12:18] <KaiL_> ...at it's broken for everybody here
[12:18] <yahalom> whiskers: still doesnt
[12:19] <KaiL_> even for a ATI 9200...
[12:19] <LeeJunFan> KaiL_: works for me.
[12:19] <KaiL_> which card?
[12:19] <whiskers> yahalom, my win98 works fine...i got the new nvidia .7 drivers and dx9c works great
[12:19] <LeeJunFan> ATI 9700.
[12:19] <KaiL_> hm
[12:19] <LeeJunFan> KaiL_: and my 9200's also.
[12:19] <kakalto> I was looking forward to the matrix screensaver :D
[12:19] <kakalto> :(
[12:19] <whiskers> yahalom, and mplayer looks beutiful on win98
[12:19] <kakalto> I had it working under gnome, but not kde
[12:19] <whiskers> yahalom, where the codecs are legal
[12:20] <KaiL_> the best screensaver get's started by a button at the bottom end of your screen
[12:20] <yahalom> whiskers: my xp worked fine with my ati, until the bugs ate it 
[12:20] <KaiL_> called "power" :)
[12:20] <yahalom> kakalto: same here, in gnome it works
[12:20] <KaiL_> my only ATI is a Rage II+
[12:20] <KaiL_> doesn't help a lot on this :)
[12:21] <kakalto> KaiL_, do you know the origins of screensavers?
[12:21] <kakalto> why they existed?
[12:21] <kakalto> 'cause your idea sure fixes it
[12:21] <yahalom> whiskers: call me bad, but i never cared for legal software
[12:21] <LeeJunFan> KaiL_: run this:
[12:21] <LeeJunFan> junfan@jkd:/usr/X11R6/lib$ glxinfo | egrep OpenGL
[12:21] <LeeJunFan> OpenGL vendor string: ATI Technologies Inc.
[12:21] <LeeJunFan> OpenGL renderer string: MOBILITY RADEON 9700 Generic
[12:21] <LeeJunFan> OpenGL version string: 1.3.5010 (X4.3.0-8.12.10)
[12:22] <KaiL_> kakalto: because in ancient times shuting down the screen caused problems and as they showed the same content for decades, the image would burn in
[12:22] <kakalto> yeah :)
[12:22] <yahalom> so what now they're just fashion and not really needed?
[12:22] <KaiL_> screensavers have totally lost their use withe the time, we got power management... 
[12:23] <yahalom> KaiL_: my AMD XP doesnt support power management
[12:23] <KaiL_> yahalom: it does
[12:23] <KaiL_> you can shut down the screen by software
[12:23] <yahalom> KaiL_:when my ubuntu starts up it says "support for power management no"
[12:23] <KaiL_> EVERY system with is compatible with Windows 95 can do that
[12:23] <yahalom> KaiL_:when my ubuntu starts up it says "support for power management no AMD XP"
[12:24] <LeeJunFan> right even if the CPU doesn't support it your VESA compliant screen will, and when X cuts the signal to it it'll power off.
[12:24] <KaiL_> that is cpu power management
[12:24] <KaiL_> LeeJunFan: exactly
[12:25] <yahalom> KaiL_: oh ok. so we dont need screensavers anymore?
[12:25] <KaiL_> exactly
[12:25] <LeeJunFan> yahalom: not really - they are just for eye-candy. And they work nice to lock the screen.
[12:25] <KaiL_> kde controlcenter -> devices -> screen -> energy
[12:26] <KaiL_> set there some nice values
[12:26] <LeeJunFan> KaiL_: did you run "glxinfo | egrep OpenGL" yet?
[12:26] <LeeJunFan> yahalom: windows.
[12:26] <LeeJunFan> :)
[12:26] <KaiL_> screensavers are there to avoid CRTs from showing texactlyhe same for way more that 10 years in a row
[12:27] <yahalom> LeeJunFan: yeah
[12:28] <KaiL_> gar - stupid G550..
[12:28] <KaiL_> again disabled dri for no obvious reasom
[12:28] <yahalom> KaiL_: just like that?
[12:28] <LeeJunFan> KaiL_: that could be the problem I was having. cd /usr/X11/lib
[12:28] <KaiL_> hm?
[12:29] <LeeJunFan> KaiL_: ls -l libGL.so.* and see if they are linked to the same thing.
[12:29] <KaiL_> (==) MGA(0): Direct rendering enabled << from Xorg.0.log
[12:29] <KaiL_> direct rendering: No << from glxinfo
[12:29] <KaiL_> ...lol
[12:29] <LeeJunFan> heh, shit.
[12:30] <KaiL_> ...and it's really disabled
[12:30] <KaiL_> doesn't matter.
[12:30] <yahalom> KaiL_: u can't enable it manually?
[12:30] <KaiL_> 50fps, 200fps - both slow :)
[12:31] <yahalom> KaiL_: what ati ?
[12:31] <KaiL_> no ATI
[12:31] <KaiL_> Matrox G550
[12:31] <LeeJunFan> 12206 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2441.200 FPS
[12:31] <yahalom> KaiL_: ah ok. have no clue
[12:31] <KaiL_> and a totally outdated CPU (AMD K6-2/500 ;)
[12:31] <whiskers> KaiL_, my direct rendering says yes...and i did not do anything except the synaptic stuff
[12:31] <yahalom> LeeJunFan: nice one, what card?
[12:32] <LeeJunFan> 9700
[12:32] <LeeJunFan> ATI
[12:32] <KaiL_> afaik nvidia cards go >>10k :/
[12:32] <yahalom> LeeJunFan: when did u buy it?
[12:32] <malte> seriously guys, someone needs to update the ubuntu kaffeine package. it crashes all the time :(
[12:32] <whiskers> KaiL_, and i have an old cheap nvidia card
[12:32] <KaiL_> somebody with a GF 6800 here?
[12:32] <LeeJunFan> yahalom: about 2-3 months ago.
[12:32] <whiskers> KaiL_, but it works good enough for tuxracer
[12:33] <yahalom> LeeJunFan: any idea what the newest one is?
[12:33] <whiskers> KaiL_, and supertux
[12:33] <yahalom> whiskers: tuxracer is still the best ;)
[12:33] <LeeJunFan> yahalom: not really. I don't keep up with that as much as I should :) It's in my lappy.
[12:33] <whiskers> KaiL_, and defendguin with the Logitech gamepad
[12:33] <KaiL_> supertux ever works here
[12:33] <yahalom> LeeJunFan: i think i'll get nvidia next time
[12:34] <whiskers> KaiL_, but i don't have room for games...i am keeping this system to less than 40gigs this time
[12:34] <LeeJunFan> whiskers: 40 gigs and no room for games?
[12:34] <LeeJunFan> I could have games on less than 4! hehe
[12:34] <kakalto> my friend went to buy a AGP gfx card, and the guy showed him which port it was (which he had), so he bought it only to find that salesman was stupid
[12:34] <whiskers> LeeJunFan, well the basics are about 10gigs...so i only have 30 to spare
[12:34] <kakalto> needless to say, he had to return the car
[12:34] <kakalto> d
[12:34] <KaiL_> oh
[12:34] <yahalom> LeeJunFan: when i had microsoft fligh on windows it took 7gb
[12:34] <KaiL_> supertux has a GL mode
[12:35] <whiskers> LeeJunFan, i just don't have room for all those linux games
[12:35] <LeeJunFan> yahalom: yeah, windows games are all pretty much beasts. I wonder how much SWAT4 is taking on my windows system.
[12:35] <LeeJunFan> not that bad: 1.7G    SWAT 4/
[12:35] <KaiL_> ..which I shouldn't enable here *g*
[12:36] <cartel_> hey all anyone know if ubuntu ssh -X actually works?
[12:37] <LeeJunFan> cartel_: you mean the switch or ssh forwarding in general?
[12:37] <LeeJunFan> X forwarding.
[12:37] <cartel_> ssh forwarding works, i want X forwarding
[12:37] <LeeJunFan> I use x forwarding on my system. I enabled it in /etc/ssh/ssh_config
[12:38] <cartel_> hmm
[12:38] <cartel_> my remote system gets no $DISPLAY
[12:38] <LeeJunFan> cartel_: what is your remote system?
[12:38] <cartel_> sarge
[12:38] <cartel_> i can see it setting up xauthority etc with debugging
[12:38] <whiskers> you know kkathman..did all that compilation on gimpshop for nothing
[12:38] <cartel_> but it doesnt seem to set $DISPLAY
[12:38] <LeeJunFan> cartel_: did you install xserver-common on the remote system?
[12:39] <whiskers> i decided to trash gimpshop and go ahead and update ubuntu with the new gimp stuff
[12:39] <cartel_> LeeJunFan: x-window-system-core
[12:39] <whiskers> and synaptic installed gimpshop
[12:39] <whiskers> he did all that for nothing
[12:39] <yahalom> LeeJunFan: what is swat 4 like? i liked the first one and 2, but didnt like 3
[12:39] <whiskers> but it does have a different ad screen upon execution
[12:40] <cartel_> xserver-common is already the newest version.
[12:40] <hussam> hi I have an important question, I installed kernel 2.6.11 from synaptic but it gives kernel panic. so I uninstalled 2.6.11 and kept 2.6.10. I now booted to 2.6.10. any ideas?
[12:40] <cartel_> is it because i am connecting as root to remote system?
[12:40] <hussam> any ideas why I got kernel paic with 2.6.11
[12:40] <hussam> ?
[12:40] <yahalom> hussam: 2.6.11 is not supported from what i understand
[12:40] <yahalom> hussam: just use 2.6.10 for now
[12:41] <hussam> so everybody here is still using 2.6.10?
[12:41] <KaiL_> lol, 20fps in supertux *gg*
[12:41] <yahalom> hussam: i assume so...at least i am
[12:41] <whiskers> hussam, well i am but i am disappointed with it because it doesn't support the cheap linmodems
[12:41] <cartel_> ok my bad
[12:41] <whiskers> hussam, ubuntu did not compile it right
[12:41] <cartel_> got it going :)
[12:42] <whiskers> hussam, but it does support the dvd stuff and the gamepad
[12:42] <hussam> whiskers: I see
[12:42] <yahalom> anyone here got a webcam working?
[12:42] <hussam> whiskers: thanks guys.
[12:42] <yahalom> omnivision?
[12:42] <KaiL_> did I ever mention, that I need a faster CPU?
[12:43] <yahalom> hussam: u know that ur nick is an egyptian made anti-tank mine?
[12:43] <kakalto> lol
[12:43] <cartel_> at least its not an anti personnel mine
[12:43] <yahalom> kakalto: lol..its true
[12:44] <yahalom> some really interesting nicks
[12:44] <hussam> yahalom: actually, I am egyptian but sadly I've only been in Egypt twice.
[12:44] <yahalom> like i saw this guy putsa and that is the greek word for penis
[12:45] <yahalom> hussam: ah go figure. so probably the mine was named after the maker, so ir ur name hussam for real?
[12:45] <cartel_> hmm
[12:45] <whiskers> KaiL_, we all need a faster cpu....dosbox sucks at playing games with sound
[12:45] <hussam> yahalom: that's my real name :)
[12:46] <KaiL_> whiskers: but your isn't to slow to play supertux ;)
[12:46] <hussam> yahalom: brb in a minute, I have to reboot.
[12:46] <whiskers> KaiL_, no because that code was compiled for linux
[12:46] <yahalom> hussam: good luck...dont blow anything up
[12:46] <whiskers> KaiL_, but i am talking about the great dos games
[12:46] <whiskers> KaiL_, and dosbox sucks
[12:46] <whiskers> KaiL_, on a 1.7P4
[12:48] <whiskers> KaiL_, if you want to see how bad it really is...just load the dos game abuse.zip
[12:48] <yahalom> whiskers: i have abuse and it works fine
[12:49] <yahalom> whiskers: on ubuntu that is
[12:49] <kakalto> how do I get dosbox working?
[12:49] <whiskers> yahalom, it works like shit here....the graphics movements occur about 30seconds after moving the mouse
[12:49] <yahalom> i loved that game when it first came out
[12:49] <whiskers> yahalom, what kind of hardware do you have
[12:49] <yahalom> whiskers: really? no its real smooth here. not full screen, but just as good as it was in dos
[12:49] <yahalom> whiskers: ati 9200
[12:50] <whiskers> yahalom, what kind of hardware do you have
[12:50] <whiskers> yahalom, what kind of processor
[12:50] <yahalom> whiskers: AMD XP 2000+\
[12:50] <LeeJunFan> yahalom: sorry - got called away. I love SWAT4, what didn't you like about 3?
[12:50] <yahalom> whiskers: 512 DDR
[12:50] <whiskers> yahalom, hey why is it working for you and not me
[12:50] <whiskers> yahalom, it sucks here
[12:50] <KaiL_> P4 is not only hot, it's also slow :p
[12:50] <yahalom> LeeJunFan: i liked the team work in swat and 3 had all that lone soldier stuff i think, right?
[12:50] <KaiL_> whiskers: get an Athlon 64 :)
[12:51] <yahalom> whiskers: i dont know man. what's ur hardware?
[12:51] <whiskers> KaiL_, if i had money i would get a haupage...first before the 64
[12:51] <kakalto> how do I run dboxfe?
[12:51] <yahalom> KaiL_: u have athlone 64?
[12:51] <KaiL_> not jet
[12:51] <yahalom> whiskers: how did u acquire abuse? apt-get?
[12:51] <LeeJunFan> yahalom: only because the AI sucked. It's much better in 4
[12:52] <KaiL_> but I think, it's time to replace this K6-2 :)
[12:52] <yahalom> LeeJunFan: that must have been it. cos it turned me off.
[12:52] <yahalom> LeeJunFan: have a screenshot?
[12:52] <KaiL_> it's starting to go on my nerves
[12:52] <yahalom> LeeJunFan: link?
[12:52] <yahalom> KaiL_: what kernel do u use for ur k-6?
[12:53] <KaiL_> 2.6.10-1-386
[12:53] <KaiL_> there is no -586 any more
[12:53] <whiskers> yahalom, no you can get thousands of free dos games at
[12:53] <yahalom> KaiL_: i have k7 and i installed the k-7 kernel works much better
[12:53] <whiskers> http://www.abandonia.com/genre.php?genre=mostpopular&page=0
[12:53] <yahalom> KaiL_: i assume there is a k-6 kernel
[12:53] <KaiL_> nop
[12:53] <yahalom> KaiL_: remember seeing it
[12:53] <yahalom> KaiL_: for sure?
[12:53] <KaiL_> not more since 2.6
[12:54] <whiskers> KaiL_, you can get the great ones....but dosbox sucks
[12:54] <LeeJunFan> yahalom: I don't have any handy. But I'm sure google would turn some up.
[12:54] <LeeJunFan> brb
[12:55] <yahalom> whiskers: i did apt-get install abuse
[12:55] <whiskers> yahalom, forget that...see the url i gave you
[12:55] <yahalom> hey alien, ti kaneis malaka?
[12:55] <allee> KaiL_: hi.  Why not build a k6/568 kernel?
[12:55] <KaiL_> to lazy :p
[12:55] <KaiL_> also the biggest problem here is RAM
[12:55] <yahalom> whiskers: ok i will. my abuse works great though.
[12:55] <allee> KaiL_: come on it's not magic in (k)ubntu
[12:55] <allee> KaiL_: ;)
[12:56] <KaiL_> on a Socket 7 system you have a so called "cachable area"
[12:56] <KaiL_> 256MiB here
[12:56] <whiskers> yahalom, well it totally sucks here....do you have sound turned on and everything
[12:56] <KaiL_> which is what I have installed
[12:56] <yahalom> whiskers: yes, do apt-get abuse 
[12:56] <whiskers> yahalom, ok i will compare it
[12:56] <yahalom> whiskers: how do i get those games to work?
[12:56] <allee> KaiL_: Uh, that really the minimum of RAM
[12:57] <KaiL_> allee: and after that, it swaps on a 14MB/s hd here
[12:57] <KaiL_> a very loud 14MB/s hd to be exact
[12:57] <yahalom> lol dune that was such a funny game...giant worms and all, reminds me of that movie tremors
[12:57] <KaiL_> hmm, does CL3, CL2,5 REALLY matter while buying RAM?
[12:58] <whiskers> yahalom, easy...just mount c c: \home\george\dosgames\gameofchoice
[12:58] <whiskers> yahalom, sorry mkdir those dirs
[12:58] <whiskers> mount c as told
[12:58] <allee> KaiL_: ;)  on the other hand a very silent Dell X300 laptop makes me sometimes nervous because it makes no noice at all ;)
[12:58] <whiskers> and unzip game to game of choice
[12:58] <KaiL_> lol
[12:58] <allee> KaiL_: AFAIU not much
[12:58] <whiskers> and execute
[12:58] <allee> KaiL_: .. the CL I mean
[12:59] <whiskers> but dosbox is not worth a crap here
[12:59] <KaiL_> yes
[12:59] <KaiL_> while updating from this box, everything should feel very very fast *gg*
[12:59] <hussam> how do I install the ms true type fonts?
[12:59] <yahalom> whiskers: so i have to get dosbox?
[12:59] <htaccess> can someone pointy me to a document on the setps required to add kubuntu to a ubuntu installation?
[12:59] <KaiL_> hussam: apt-get install msttcorefonts
[01:00] <allee> he he
[01:00] <whiskers> yahalom, yes it is in synaptic
[01:00] <whiskers> but not worth a crap on p41.7
[01:00] <KaiL_> htaccess: apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[01:00] <yahalom> whiskers: ok got it...now i create the files
[01:00] <KaiL_> whiskers: P4 sucks so badly?
[01:00] <whiskers> yahalom, no...open a terminal and type dosbox
[01:00] <whiskers> yahalom, then do info to get mount instructions
[01:01] <htaccess> KaiL_: hmm that sounds easy enough, after its installed do i get a choice of runing gnome or kde?
[01:01] <KaiL_> somewhere in your login manager, yes
[01:02] <whiskers> KaiL_, where did synaptic install abuse
[01:02] <whiskers> KaiL_, dosbox needs to know the directory
[01:02] <jago> i tried to load kubunto on my machine but when it tried to run kdm the screen flashed and i was back at the prompt, help please im am forced to use knoppix in the mean time.
[01:02] <hussam> Package msttcorefonts is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[01:02] <hussam> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[01:02] <hussam> is only available from another source
[01:02] <hussam> KaiL_: it says "
[01:02] <Markrian> jago, I imagine XOrg isn't set up correctly
[01:02] <whiskers> abuse
[01:03] <jago> how do i fix it
[01:03] <allee> whiskers: dpkg -L abuse
[01:03] <KaiL_> hussam: enable universe and multiverse in /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:03] <whiskers> sorry wrong terminal
[01:03] <KaiL_> jago: which graphics card?
[01:03] <Markrian> jago, do you know what graphics card your system has?
[01:03] <jago> ati rage 128
[01:03] <KaiL_> hmm
[01:03] <jago> pro
[01:04] <KaiL_> old but unproblematic
[01:04] <whiskers> KaiL_, yes ok..the sdl version of abuse is better
[01:05] <whiskers> KaiL_, but i don't see why dosbox is so bad....
[01:05] <KaiL_> whiskers: are you really talking to me or to yahalom ? :)
[01:05] <whiskers> i don't know...whoever was talking about it
[01:05] <KaiL_> yahalom: was the guy with the working dosbox
[01:06] <KaiL_> I'm the guy, who REALLY needs a faster system
[01:06] <hussam> KaiL_: thanks, I'll try that
[01:06] <whiskers> KaiL_, for the exact same game
[01:07] <Markrian> jago, go to a terminal and do "cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep Driver"
[01:07] <Markrian> jago, what is the output, ignoring the lines that include "keyboard" and "mouse"
[01:07] <Markrian> ?
[01:09] <yahalom> whiskers: how do i mount it again?
[01:09] <yahalom> whiskers: i unzip the games into /home/<user>/dosgames/
[01:10] <jago> it says "/etc/x11/xorg.conf: No such file or directory"
[01:10] <yahalom> KaiL_: i didnt have dosbox until 2 secs ago. i have abuse from kynaptic
[01:11] <jago> right now i am running lnpoppix since kubuntu would not load.
[01:11] <yahalom> KaiL_: so it a linux version
[01:11] <Markrian> jago, the terminal is case-sensitive, you've gotta enter it exactly as I wrote it
[01:11] <KaiL_> yahalom: ah
[01:11] <KaiL_> hmm... 363 for fresh hardware
[01:11] <jago> sorry
[01:11] <KaiL_> 1GiB RAM, Sempron 2800+ Sockel 754 and a 160GB Samsung HD
[01:11] <KaiL_> should be enough? :)
[01:12] <Markrian> jago, don't apologise ;)
[01:12] <KaiL_> jago: do you have the kubuntu system mounted anywhere?
[01:12] <KaiL_> [or somewhere] 
[01:12] <jago> no, i had to uninstall it to use my machine.
[01:13] <KaiL_> so we can't help you, sorry
[01:13] <jago> ok thanks
[01:13] <Markrian> whoops
[01:13] <KaiL_> are we the oracle of delphy or what?
[01:13] <Markrian> It's too late for me to be helpful I think ;o
[01:14] <KaiL_> you had an idea?
[01:16] <whiskers> yahalom, yes...did you do the mount thing as explained  in the intro
[01:16] <yahalom> whiskers: i made the files, how do i mount?
[01:17] <yahalom> whiskers: mount c c: ??
[01:17] <whiskers> yahalom, no don't make the files yet.
[01:17] <whiskers> yahalom, type dosbox at a terminal
[01:17] <whiskers> yahalom, then type intro
[01:17] <yahalom> whiskers: i made the files alread now what?
[01:17] <whiskers> yahalom, inside dosbox
[01:17] <yahalom> whiskers: delete them
[01:17] <whiskers> yahalom, ok ..did you do that
[01:17] <yahalom> ?
[01:17] <whiskers> yahalom, no don't delete them
[01:18] <whiskers> yahalom, first type intro inside dosbox
[01:18] <whiskers> yahalom, it will tell you how to mount c
[01:18] <whiskers> yahalom, in linux
[01:18] <whiskers> yahalom, did you do that
[01:18] <yahalom> whiskers: yeah give me a sec to read
[01:18] <whiskers> yahalom, ok read the linux mount not the windows stuff
[01:19] <whiskers> yahalom, something like mount c c: /usr/yaholom/dosprog
[01:19] <whiskers> yahalom, or whatever your user name is
[01:19] <whiskers> yahalom, did you do that
[01:19] <yahalom> whiskers: it says the dir doesnt exist
[01:20] <whiskers> yahalom, ok...go to another terminal in another desktop and type mkdir /home/yourusername/dosprog
[01:20] <yahalom> whiskers: ok did it
[01:20] <whiskers> yahalom, ok now type c:
[01:20] <whiskers> yahalom, inside dosbox
[01:20] <yahalom> whiskers: my dir is /home/myusername/dosgames
[01:20] <yahalom> whiskers: is that wrong?
[01:20] <whiskers> yahalom, ok whatever
[01:21] <whiskers> yahalom, that is fine
[01:21] <whiskers> yahalom, type c:
[01:21] <yahalom> whiskers: ok
[01:21] <whiskers> yahalom, what do you see now
[01:21] <whiskers> yahalom, type dir
[01:21] <yahalom> whiskers: ok loading simcity2000
[01:22] <whiskers> yahalom, oh...ok you already put simcity in your dos directory
[01:23] <yahalom> whiskers: it works great man
[01:23] <whiskers> yahalom, how come it works for you...and it works like shit here
[01:23] <yahalom> whiskers: only prob once i start the game i cant get out of dos until i exit it
[01:23] <yahalom> whiskers: i dunno, i'm special?
[01:23] <whiskers> yahalom, try the escape button
[01:23] <yahalom> whiskers: u want me to try abuse?
[01:23] <whiskers> yahalom, in many games it will get you back to dosbox
[01:24] <whiskers> yahalom, then type exit when you are done
[01:24] <whiskers> yahalom, but how come it works like shit here
[01:24] <yahalom> whiskers: i have no idea bro
[01:24] <yahalom> whiskers: i didnt even know it existed
[01:24] <yahalom> whiskers: what is wrong with it? slow?
[01:25] <whiskers> yahalom, yes...very very very slow
[01:25] <whiskers> yahalom, try abuse and see if it works for you
[01:25] <yahalom> whiskers: ok
[01:25] <whiskers> yahalom, it is extremely slow here
[01:26] <yahalom> whiskers: u tried simcity?
[01:26] <whiskers> yahalom, no...just some action stuff to test dosbox
[01:26] <yahalom> whiskers: so  let me try abuse
[01:27] <yahalom> whiskers: is it normal that the downloads keep getting stuck?
[01:27] <whiskers> yahalom, ok...do a mkdir /home/yourusername/dosprog or whatever/abuse
[01:27] <whiskers> yahalom, yes..i have that problem a lot on firefox
[01:28] <whiskers> yahalom, but make a separate dos directory so your games don't get confused
[01:28] <whiskers> yahalom, inside your basic dos directory
[01:29] <yahalom> whiskers: what like /dogames/games/abuse?
[01:30] <whiskers> yahalom, well whatever you mounted your basic dos directory before....now  make a subdirectory there called abuse
[01:30] <yahalom> whiskers: np
[01:30] <whiskers> yahalom, you chose a funny stuff so you have to remember it
[01:31] <yahalom> whiskers: yeah i will
[01:32] <whiskers> yahalom, ok after you make the directory with a linux mkdir command
[01:32] <whiskers> yahalom, then cd to it and copy your abuse.zip file there and unzip it in that directory
[01:32] <yahalom> whiskers: np
[01:32] <whiskers> yahalom, ok..when that is done...go back to a terminal and type dosbox
[01:33] <whiskers> yahalom, and mount your basic dos directory under your funny name....but not the abuse subdirectory
[01:33] <whiskers> then type c:
[01:33] <yahalom> whiskers ok
[01:33] <whiskers> then cd abuse
[01:33] <whiskers> then the executable...i think it is called abuse
[01:34] <whiskers> then see if dosbox is worth a shit for you
[01:34] <yahalom> whiskers: this downloading is driving me bonkers
[01:35] <kakalto> what's the frontend for dosbox?
[01:35] <whiskers> yahalom, well that is because there are thousands of great dos games
[01:35] <whiskers> yahalom, and everybody wants them
[01:35] <yahalom> whiskers: how big is abuse?
[01:36] <whiskers> yahalom, it is not very big...just a minute
[01:36] <whiskers> yahalom, i show it about 5megs
[01:37] <whiskers> yahalom, for the zip file
[01:37] <yahalom> whiskers: ok 1 meg done
[01:38] <yahalom> whiskers: ok done give me a sec
[01:42] <yahalom> whiskers: ok loading
[01:43] <whiskers> yahalom, yes loading takes a while
[01:43] <whiskers> yahalom, but let it finish
[01:43] <yahalom> whiskers: slow like a mother
[01:44] <yahalom> whiskers: just apt-get abuse its the same one and its smooth
[01:44] <yahalom> whiskers: simcity worked nicely, havent tried anything else, maybe its just abuse, anyone got it working nicely?
[01:45] <whiskers> yahalom, that is what i see too...it is worthless
[01:45] <whiskers> yahalom, dosbox and wine still need a lot more work
[01:46] <yahalom> whiskers: try other games, maybe its just abuse, cos simcity2000 works nicely
[01:46] <yahalom> whiskers: u tried others?
[01:46] <whiskers> yahalom, no...what is the point...dosbox doesn't play the great action games....and wine doesn't play sound
[01:47] <whiskers> yahalom, they need  a lot more work
[01:47] <whiskers> yahalom, or else faster processors
[01:48] <yahalom> whiskers: try another one maybe its really just abuse
[01:48] <yahalom> i gtg
[01:49] <yahalom> take care man
[01:49] <yahalom> thanx for the site, i'll enjoy it
[01:49] <yahalom> like simcity nostalgia
[02:21] <smouche> you know, I'm really surprised there's no man page for konsole.
[02:23] <kakalto> there isn't?!
[02:29] <smouche> nope -- at least not installed with kubuntu on my box.
[02:30] <allee> smouche: ditto for debian
[02:30] <smouche> bizarre
[02:31] <Atholas> I have just installed Ubuntu and wanted to use KDE. Will I get the exactly the same default settings and things for Kubuntu if say I simply install kubuntu-desktop? Or do I also have to include kubuntu-default-settings?
[02:32] <allee> smouche: "kdemangen.pl /usr/bin/konsole"  and fill with life ;)
[02:34] <allee> Atholas: kubuntu-desktop depends on kubuntu-default-settings 
[02:34] <smouche> allee, sorry, I have no clue...
[02:34] <hussam> how do I get the command "hdparm -d1 /dev/dvd" to run (as root) each startup?
[02:35] <smouche> what's kdemangen.pl ?
[02:35] <allee> smouche: tools from kdewebdav that generates a manpage for --help output.  Most manpages started like this ;)
[02:36] <smouche> interesting, allee.  Thank you.
[02:36] <allee> err, s/kdewebdav/kdesdk/
[02:37] <allee> hussam: /etc/hdparm.conf
[02:37] <hussam> anybody knows how I can automatically run a command like "hdparm -d1 /dev/dvd" each startup?
[02:38] <Atholas> allee: Thanks
[02:38] <allee> hussam: not happy with /etc/hdparm.conf?    # dpkg -L hdparm is your friend ;)
[02:42] <hussam> allee: what do I add to /etc/hdparm.conf ?
[02:43] <allee> hussam: see the header of the file. something like  /dev/dvd { -d1 } (+ new lines of course).   Check with /etc/init.d/hdparm start if it works
[02:43] <allee> hussam: there are examples at the end of the file
[02:46] <allee> sorry, s/-d1/dma = on/.   Old brain leaks details :(
[02:47] <allee> nite
[02:47] <hussam> like this? 
[02:47] <hussam> /dev/dvd {
[02:47] <hussam> 	dma = on
[02:47] <hussam> }
[02:49] <allee> yes
[03:05] <whiskers> i need some help...i am trying to get this midi working on ubuntu like i had it on gentoo.....and it says i need to set up the scummvm midi env variable..
[03:05] <whiskers> where are the docs for this
[03:12] <kakalto> kudos to the kubuntu project
[03:15] <verden01> Hi
[03:16] <verden01> has anyone tried to install vmware in kubuntu?
[03:18] <verden01> hey claydoh
[03:18] <netsharc> hello all, anyone ever have a problem with KHTML hanging the whole system?
[03:18] <netsharc> well, hanging X, actually
[03:18] <verden01> no
[03:19] <netsharc> well I've got it.. I open Control Center, and when it tries to show the HTML "welcome" page, it hangs..
[03:19] <netsharc> same thing happens when I try to browse with Konqueror
[03:24] <verden01> ?? sorry netsharc i don't have nay idea
[03:25] <verden01> any
[03:26] <netsharc> pretty strange.. it worked yesterday.. 2 day old Kubuntu user. :)
[03:30] <verden01> well he goes i just changed all my repositories to breezy
[03:30] <whiskers> hey does anybody know the name of the linmodem module for the ubuntu kernel
[03:31] <verden01> no 
[03:34] <whiskers> verden01, well ok..do you know how to set the SCUMMVM_MIDI env variable 
[03:34] <whiskers> verden01, I paid for Monkey Island and i want to hear the Jamaican midi .
[03:36] <verden01> whiskers, no i don't sorry
[03:36] <verden01> what about doing a search on the forum
[03:37] <jago> hello does any one know how to fix windows after installing linux?
[03:37] <verden01> what do you mean "fix Windows"
[03:38] <jago> windows will not load
[03:39] <whiskers> verden01, well this really tics me off....because scummvm says to set the midi env variable as in the README docs...and the README docs don't even give an example
[03:39] <verden01> did you get kubuntu to dual boot when grub was installed
[03:39] <jago> i used lilo but yes
[03:40] <verden01> hmmmm i guess you can post a question on the forum and see if someone know the answer
[03:40] <verden01> and in the startup screen theres an option to boot windows?
[03:41] <jago> thanks for trying......
[03:50] <TechLord> how can i upgrade to python-qt 3.14
[04:10] <netsharc> hmm, apparently the problem I had before wasn't KHTML after all, but when Konqi tries to display an image..
[05:11] <laszlok> how can I allow root logins from the main login screen?
[05:18] <laszlok> how can I allow root logins from the main login screen?
[05:21] <amu> ... if you set a static password for root 
[05:22] <laszlok> i did su passwd root
[05:22] <laszlok> but i still cant logon using the main logon screen
[05:24] <amu> than you need enables it at kdmrc ( AllowRootLogin=true ) 
[05:25] <amu>  /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc 
[05:28] <xenfasa> does anyone have kbear or kftpgrabber working?   kbear crashes on a file   transfer and fktpgrabber will not start.
[05:47] <kkathman> evening all :)
[05:51] <kkathman> kinda quiet here tonight
[05:52] <xenfasa> hi kkathman
[05:53] <kkathman> howdy there xenfasa
[05:53] <xenfasa> i just switched from gentoo to kubuntu this past weekend.
[05:54] <kkathman> xenfasa congrats...Im interested in why you changed?  Just curious?
[05:55] <xenfasa> gentoo ebuilds were not all that solid...  compile times way too long... and having to  tweak things was keeping me from working.
[05:55] <xenfasa> my gentoo KDE upgrade to 3.4  broke sound... and my skype never worked without a delay.
[05:56] <kkathman> well Ive heard the gentoo is a bit more challenging for sure...glad you are on board with ubuntu!
[05:57] <xenfasa> I tried Mepis but  the 1400x1050 res did not work on my notebook... whereas kubuntu configured it perfect from the start
[05:57] <xenfasa> i have had a  few issues with kubuntu but I can live with them for now...
[05:58] <xenfasa> the most anonying is Konquerer crashing sometimes..
[05:58] <awstott> cough *firefox* cough
[05:58] <kkathman> yanno Ive heard that, but Ive not had any problems with it, but then I dont really use it extensively, I tend to use Firefox or Opera
[05:59] <xenfasa> I'm talking about using it for managing files 
[05:59] <xenfasa> I use firefox for web of course
[06:00] <kkathman> well, I cant complain about Konq's use for file mgmt, but then I try to do alot of that at the shell level myself
[06:00] <xenfasa> kbear and kftpgrabber don't work either
[06:01] <LeeJunFan> xenfasa: turn off any extra panels in konq. ie - the dir listing on the left side.
[06:01] <kkathman> xenfasa the shell is your friend :)
[06:02] <xenfasa> K was most acting up when I had 3-4 panels open...
[06:02] <kkathman> hey there kakalto :)
[06:03] <xenfasa> what is kakalto  ?   ftp client?
[06:03] <kkathman> uhm no he just joined the channel :)
[06:04] <kakalto> hey, kkathman 
[06:04] <kakalto> xenfasa, yeah, man, I do ftp
[06:04] <kkathman> ROFL
[06:04] <kakalto> among other things.
[06:04] <xenfasa> LOL
[06:05] <xenfasa> OH, one big problem that has really stumped me...is getting ksysguard to connect. 
[06:06] <xenfasa> whenever I run ksysguard it refused to connect to localhost no matter what settings I use.
[06:06] <kkathman> hmm  thats odd
[06:06] <kkathman> mine starts on boot
[06:06] <kakalto> yay
[06:06] <xenfasa> :(
[06:07] <kakalto> I got iexplorer working, so I can make my website work under lin ;)
[06:07] <kkathman> IE under wine?
[06:07] <xenfasa> I run IE in codeweavers crossover office among other things...
[06:08] <kkathman> you can run it in wine too for nothing
[06:08] <kakalto> I run IE in wine, which is FREE
[06:08] <kkathman> right
[06:08] <kakalto> it just tends to take a little effort to get things working :P.
[06:08] <kkathman> kakalto did you install that MSI installer under wine?
[06:08] <kkathman> cuz I could never get that working
[06:09] <kakalto> MSI installer?
[06:09] <kakalto> dude, remove all references to wine in your home dir (./wine or whatever), then go to http://wine.sourceforge.net/apt/binary/ and get winetools, install, then run 'winetools' from a terminal
[06:10] <kakalto> that installs everything from dcom98 to msi installer to ie6 to wmp to ms office
[06:10] <kkathman> kakalto  I went to franks corner and did what he suggested
[06:11] <kkathman> ahh ok Ill try that one
[06:11] <kakalto> which suggestion?
[06:11] <kakalto> he has 3 alternatives
[06:11] <kakalto> and I used something different
[06:11] <kakalto> I got a proper debian package of winetools
[06:12] <kakalto> make sure you have wine installed before you run winetools ! :P
[06:12] <kakalto> sorry, couldn't resist
[06:12] <kakalto> anyways, I'm going to go see if wine runs a thing or two..
[06:12] <xenfasa> anyone have any idea why my ksysguard would keep loosing it's connection to local host on startup and never work?
[06:12] <kkathman> where did you get the deb ?
[06:13] <kakalto> http://wine.sourceforge.net/apt/binary/
[06:13] <kkathman> ahh ok
[06:13] <kakalto> good luck :)
[06:13] <kkathman> then you just did a dpkg -i ?
[06:13] <kakalto> yup
[06:14] <kakalto> I got a few errors, but it works
[06:14] <kkathman> kewlness
[06:14] <kkathman> thanks man
[06:14] <kakalto> and you'll have to manually download all the truetype font exe's and run them directly with wine to install them
[06:14] <kakalto> the program has bad url's for downloading the fonts
[06:14] <kkathman> Ive got Paint Shop Pro 7 and would love to install it under wine, but their installer uses MSI
[06:14] <kakalto> that's fixed with dcom98
[06:14] <kakalto> which is installed with winetools
[06:15] <kkathman> I may touch base with you sunday on this :)
[06:15] <kkathman> Im out of town right now...about 1500 miles west of my normal location :)
[06:15] <kakalto> http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=34153&release_id=105355 <---- download the font exe's from the bottom of this page (all 11)
[06:15] <kakalto> ahh
[06:15] <kakalto> hehe
[06:16] <kakalto> I'll bb
[06:26] <kakalto> aww
[06:26] <kakalto> NeverWinterNights almost works out-of-the-box with wine
[06:26] <kakalto> not quite
[06:26] <kkathman> almost ??
[06:26] <kkathman> hehe
[06:26] <kakalto> it can't unpack some archives
[06:26] <kkathman> ohhh bummer
[06:26] <kakalto> even though there's a linux version
[06:26] <kakalto> but I don't have the original cds :P
[06:27] <kkathman> hehe
[06:27] <kkathman> I understand
[06:27] <kakalto> I bet Starcraft would work
[06:27] <kakalto> I just need to find a cd-crack
[06:27] <kakalto> I must have "lost" the cds...
[06:28] <kkathman> I know lots a crack places
[06:28] <kkathman> for CDs mind you
[06:28] <kkathman> hehe
[06:29] <kkathman> check your PM kakalto
[06:29] <kakalto> yay
[06:30] <kakalto> Impossible Creatures (tm) by Microsoft (tm) works on wine under linux :D
[06:30] <kkathman> hehe good :)
[06:32] <kakalto> ^o^
[06:32] <kakalto> I just realised
[06:32] <kakalto> I haven't edited my fstab to add windows yet
[06:33] <kkathman> ah ha!
[06:58] <kakalto> final fantasy 8 doesn't like wine.
[06:58] <kakalto> or perhaps it's wine that doesn't like final fantasy 8.
[06:58] <kkathman> wine and fantasies rarely mix well
[06:58] <kkathman> hehe
[06:58] <kakalto> but ff8 was made for the ps anyway, why am I trying to run ps code on a compatability layer for windows?
[06:58] <kakalto> :P
[07:03] <kakalto> what happens if I run the directX 9 installer under wine?
[07:05] <Codyman> anyone here know c++ fairly well?
[07:40] <kkathman> just read that Kopete has been shut down
[07:42] <kakalto> kkathman; this is a sad day.
[07:42] <kakalto> does that mean GAIM is going down, too?
[07:42] <kkathman> it IS sad...because that means possibly GAIM is next
[07:43] <kakalto> then what, skype? trillian?
[07:43] <kkathman> I dunno
[07:43] <kkathman> I dont see how tho..seeing that the APIs for AOL, MSN etc are published
[07:43] <kkathman> but it didnt go into details
[07:43] <kakalto> go kopete.kde.org
[07:44] <kkathman> http://www.linuxgazette.com/node/10128
[07:45] <kkathman> Im not sure what patents it is infringing on
[07:45] <kakalto> I agree with judland
[07:45] <kkathman> but it seems that AOL and the like shouldnt care...that just extends their own domain
[07:45] <kakalto> move KDE to canada, where it's not allowed by law for someone to patent :)
[07:45] <kkathman> why wouldnt Trilian be suspect
[07:46] <kakalto> http://kopete.kde.org/patents.html
[07:47] <kkathman> geez I just read
[07:47] <kkathman> damn Europeans
[07:48] <kakalto> damn americans, too
[07:48] <kkathman> see in the US AOL/ICQ and Trillian and a couple of other live peaceably
[07:48] <kkathman> nope...its not an issue here
[07:48] <kkathman> no suits
[07:48] <kakalto> "Instant messaging, the hottest enterprise messaging technology after e-mail, belongs to AOL, at least according to the U.S. Patent Office, which has quietly issued a patent for a wide range of IM technologies and practices to AOL's ICQ subsidiary. "
[07:48] <kkathman> think about it, AOL/ICQ/MSN have everything to lose
[07:49] <kakalto> http://www.techweb.com/wire/26800442 <---- AOL patents IM, December 2002
[07:49] <kkathman> if they call patent infringement..then you got TONS of their OWN subscribers that cant talk to people
[07:49] <kkathman> Im not saying that they dont have patents...just that they arent going after anyone
[07:49] <kakalto> what do you mean?
[07:50] <kakalto> AOL wouldn't lose out, would they?
[07:50] <kkathman> sure
[07:50] <kkathman> see in Europe they are the ones issuing the mandate
[07:50] <kkathman> in the US, it would take AOL to sue Trillian, etc
[07:51] <kkathman> its socialism at its worst
[07:51] <kkathman> I think I will patent air
[07:51] <kkathman> then everyone will have to pay me to breathe
[07:52] <kakalto> I'll patent Oxygen, unless it's covered under your patent, I can breathe free :P
[07:52] <kkathman> imagine how many people dont use AIM
[07:52] <kkathman> now you tell those people..you cant talk anymore
[07:52] <kkathman> thats not what AOL wants
[07:53] <kakalto> true..
[07:53] <kakalto> so who's pressing against kopete?
[07:53] <kkathman> now...I dont know if GAIM is under that same thing
[07:53] <kkathman> kakalto...thats just it...no one
[07:53] <kkathman> its just that European Foundation
[07:54] <kakalto> ....with microsoft behind them?
[07:54] <kkathman> they have unilaterally said that Kopete cant do it...socialism at its best
[07:54] <kkathman> again, why would microsoft give a shit
[07:54] <kkathman> its FREE
[07:54] <kkathman> course MS and AOL both tie that marketing crap with it
[07:55] <kkathman> so maybe I can see them not liking it
[07:56] <kakalto> Microsoft might care because it's a program not made by them, connecting to their servers?
[07:56] <kakalto> hang on...
[07:57] <kkathman> well MS cares about $$$$ and since MSN does have those ads in their messenger, they might care a little...but not that much
[07:57] <kkathman> its monopolistic again
[07:57] <kkathman> but
[07:57] <kakalto> surely no-one but the actual patenter can actually go against things like kopete due to their own patent?
[07:57] <kkathman> Like I said, nothing has gone on here in the US
[07:57] <kakalto> move kde to canada
[07:57] <kakalto> then kopete can frolick in the snow :P
[07:57] <kkathman> exactly
[07:58] <kkathman> where is kopete anyway?
[07:58] <kakalto> I would assume, europe
[07:58] <kakalto> wherever kde is
[07:59] <kakalto> but kopete isn't gone yet.
[07:59] <kkathman> well not yet
[08:00] <kkathman> I mean technically, Xerox created the windows environment to begin with, so why dont they just sue everybody in the freakin world :)
[08:00] <kakalto> heheheh
[08:01] <kkathman> well Im off to bed...night all....good seeing you kakalto :) take care :)
[08:01] <kakalto> g'night :)
[08:01] <kakalto> oh, one last thing
[08:01] <kkathman> ok
[08:01] <kakalto> the reason there's no fuss about kopete in america
[08:01] <kakalto> is because kopete isn't in america (officially) :P
[08:01] <kkathman> well yeah
[08:01] <kkathman> but
[08:01] <kkathman> Trillian is
[08:02] <kkathman> and there have been no suits that I know of against them
[08:02] <kakalto> true, I'd be curious to find out about that
[08:02] <kakalto> indeed
[08:03] <kakalto> seeya
[08:03] <kkathman> they are in Connecticut
[08:03] <kkathman> so
[08:04] <kkathman> yanno...there doesnt seem to be a pursuit there
[08:04] <kkathman> shrug :)
[08:04] <kkathman> niters
[09:59] <imo> hi all
[10:05] <da_bon_bon> hi all. does wine interface with the kernel closeley ? as in, if a program works on 2.6.11 , will the milage vary, say, on 2.6.12-rc2 /?
[10:05] <KaiL> doesn't matter
[12:20] <kakalto> wow.
[12:20] <kakalto> this is eventful
[12:20] <kakalto> g'night all
[12:28] <papo> hello, since the last few days I have nothing new in "apt-get update". Is that possible or is my kubuntu wrong?
[12:30] <Choubaka> papo: it's normal
[12:30] <papo> Choubaka: ok :)
[12:46] <Puckaroo> hi
[12:46] <Puckaroo> is there anyone here
[12:47] <Puckaroo> i have a tiny problem with my tvcard
[12:47] <Puckaroo> can anyone help please?
[12:47] <Diablo-D3> ask in #ubuntu
[12:47] <Puckaroo> ok
[12:47] <Puckaroo> thanx
[01:14] <Skaman> hi guys
[01:14] <Skaman> how can i launch kde from a console prompt'
[01:15] <jenton> startx ?
[01:16] <Skaman> i have a problem...i was modifying my xorg.conf to let my 9 buttons mouse work
[01:17] <Skaman> i modified rebooted and when i try to login I always get back to login prompt
[01:17] <Skaman> e replaced xorg.conf with the original one but still the same
[01:17] <karltk> any easy trick to have gnome and kde have comparably sized fonts at the same dpi?
[01:17] <Skaman> can anybody help me :'(
[01:18] <karltk> Skaman: check /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[01:18] <Skaman> i get an error with fglrx
[01:18] <Skaman> i replaced the file with the original one
[01:18] <Skaman> and i get other error
[01:19] <Skaman> but i didnt modified nothing!
[01:19] <Skaman> (about the display)
[01:21] <karltk> yeah, I get the same error.
[01:21] <Skaman> karltk:same as mine?
[01:22] <karltk> if it was missing symbols, it's probably the same.
[01:22] <Skaman> now i look in the log
[01:24] <Skaman> i can login in failsafe mode
[01:40] <mariovick> hi
[01:41] <mariovick> algun espaol por aqui?
[01:43] <smouche> un poquito, mariovick, pero mejor intenta usar ingles aqui
[01:44] <smouche> si puede
[01:48] <carambol> or go for PM
[02:29] <hussam> if I try to login as root, I get "root login is not allowed". I already set a root password. how do I change this behavior?
[02:31] <incubii> edit kdm.conf
[02:32] <incubii> theres probably an option to allow root login
[02:43] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> can anyone tell me why the run levels are changed in kubuntu ?
[02:43] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> i cant change the inittab to 3 for cli
[02:44] <da_bon_bon> how do i play "RIFF (little-endian) data, wrapped MPEG-1 (CDXA)" data on linux ? xine wont play it, with all plugins installed :( 
[02:50] <amu> JuNkPhreak|UnIx: the runlevels arent changed
[02:51] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> ?
[02:52] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> i see 2-5 is gui
[02:52] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> wth
[02:52] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> so much for non gui trouble shooting or just plain cli mode
[03:03] <spiral> hi
[03:41] <hussam> how do I switch to gdm
[03:41] <hussam> ?
[03:43] <hussam> is there a way to switch from kdm to gdm or the opposite?
[03:45] <hussam> anybody knows if there a way to switch from kdm to gdm or the opposite?
[03:56] <itay_> How do I set kwrite to be my default writer (not Kate)
[03:56] <itay_> I don't want to change every file type in kcontrol, is there any other way to do that?
[04:04] <Super_Cat_Frog> hello all
[04:18] <Super_Cat_Frog> hi - ive just run bastille 2.something, but i would like to try 3 (its not in any repository i can find) so i installed the 'source' (its a script and the installer cp's or ln's, not sure. anyway, my problem is i cant execute bastille - it just give me --help like im giving invalid options when i do bastille or bastille --os DB3.0 - any idea's?
[04:28] <Verwilst> man, my sound sucks under kubuntu
[04:29] <Verwilst> it's just fine in ubuntu ( gnome ) though
[04:29] <Verwilst> it constantly skips :(
[04:38] <itay_> How do I set kwrite to be my default writer (not Kate)
[04:38] <itay_> I don't want to change every file type in kcontrol, is there any other way to do that?
[04:40] <Super_Cat_Frog> itay_ - yes
[04:40] <Super_Cat_Frog> gimme a sec  and i'l find it for you
[04:41] <Super_Cat_Frog> verwilst - dont use arts for output, its crap
[04:41] <allee> itay_: if you don't use kate, try to remove the package.
[04:41] <Super_Cat_Frog> itay_ - kcontrol > kde components > componant chooser > text editor
[04:43] <Verwilst> Super_Cat_Frog, i know.. but i'm not sure how to use gstreamer under kde
[04:43] <Super_Cat_Frog> verwilst  - do you use amarok or juk?
[04:43] <Verwilst> juk
[04:43] <Verwilst> i know there is an option
[04:43] <Super_Cat_Frog> ok, gimme a sec
[04:43] <Verwilst> to switch to gstreamer
[04:43] <Super_Cat_Frog> there#'s a few things to change
[04:44] <Verwilst> but it won't play anything anymore now :)
[04:44] <Verwilst> okely :) thanks
[04:44] <Super_Cat_Frog> first you need to disable arts - kcontrol > system > sound > disable sound system (or something like that)
[04:45] <Super_Cat_Frog> second i would recommend installing madplay (for knotify output)
[04:46] <Super_Cat_Frog> after youve installed madplay, goto system notifications in kcontrol and click player settings > use an external player > madplay
[04:46] <Super_Cat_Frog> then set juk to use gstreamer
[04:46] <Super_Cat_Frog> that should work, although i use xine in amarok myself
[04:50] <Verwilst> Super_Cat_Frog, done that :)
[04:50] <Verwilst> something else?
[04:50] <Verwilst> juk doesn't play anything still :$
[04:50] <Super_Cat_Frog> verwilst - how do you feel about using amarok? that has xine output, which is lighter and less complex than gstreamer
[04:54] <Verwilst> xine seems to work..
[04:54] <Verwilst> thanks
[04:54] <Super_Cat_Frog> s'ok
[04:56] <Super_Cat_Frog> ive just run bastille 2.something, but i would like to try 3 (its not in any repository i can find) so i installed the 'source' (its a script and the installer cp's or ln's, not sure. anyway, my problem is i cant execute bastille - it just give me --help like im giving invalid options when i do bastille or bastille --os DB3.0 - any idea's?
[04:57] <Skaman> can anybody help me here http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=28475
[04:58] <Skaman> ?
[04:58] <Super_Cat_Frog> skaman - post your xorg.conf on rafb.net/paste
[04:59] <Super_Cat_Frog> and your /var/log/Xorg.log
[04:59] <Super_Cat_Frog> (seperate pastes preferably)
[04:59] <Skaman> k
[05:00] <lilltiger> hi all, im new to kubuntu (just testing it..) the doc says i need akode-mpeg to play mp3, but how do i get get it?
[05:00] <Super_Cat_Frog> lilltiger - try sudo apt-get install akode-mpeg
[05:00] <Super_Cat_Frog> if you want to install stuff, best thing to try is this:
[05:00] <Super_Cat_Frog> sudo apt-get install %PROGRAMNAME 
[05:01] <allee> Skaman: afaiu failsafe works?  then try to login into kde and when back check ~/.xsession-error  (maybe you have a *csh as login shell?)
[05:01] <Skaman> yes
[05:01] <Skaman> failsafe works
[05:01] <Super_Cat_Frog> where %PROGRAMNAME is the name of your program - eg sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[05:01] <allee> Skaman: fine so xorg.conf is not the problem
[05:01] <lilltiger> Super_Cat_Frog: i tried that, but it says that the package doesent exist
[05:01] <Skaman> xorg.conf worked fine
[05:01] <Skaman> till tomorrow
[05:02] <Skaman> today*ops*
[05:02] <allee> Skaman: okay. 
[05:02] <Super_Cat_Frog> liltiger - akode-mpeg is there for me, have a look in kynaptic
[05:03] <Skaman> allee i have .xsession-errors
[05:03] <allee> Skaman: any error msg that gives you a glue what went wrong?
[05:04] <Foodcoman> That sounds like sticky business!
[05:04] <Foodcoman> =)
[05:04] <lilltiger> Super_Cat_Frog: couldent fint it there either, obly finds akode and no akode-mpeg
[05:04] <chico_and> :O?
[05:04] <Skaman> Xsession: X session started for skaman at mer apr 20 17:02:16 CEST 2005
[05:04] <chico_and> :O?
[05:04] <chico_and> :o
[05:04] <Skaman> this is the only thing
[05:04] <Skaman> in there
[05:04] <Super_Cat_Frog> liltiger - it might not be in the default repositories
[05:04] <Super_Cat_Frog> liltiger - do you have universe enabled?
[05:04] <allee> Skaman: uh.  then it's strange that you get automaticly log out again.
[05:05] <Skaman> i really dunnow
[05:05] <Skaman> i tried all thah i knew
[05:05] <lilltiger> Super_Cat_Frog: dont think so
[05:05] <Skaman> but nothing works
[05:05] <Super_Cat_Frog> skaman - try kbuildsycoca as the user that craps out
[05:05] <Super_Cat_Frog> lilltiger - enable universe, then try apt-get install akode-mpeg
[05:05] <allee> Skaman: and running startx from a linux console?
[05:06] <Skaman> i have to isssue this command:"kbuildsycoca skaman"
[05:06] <Skaman> the oputput is here
[05:06] <Skaman> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=28475
[05:06] <Skaman> theres a photo
[05:06] <Skaman> of the screen
[05:08] <allee> Skaman:  purge imwheel?  (copy config files first ;)
[05:08] <Skaman> I try
[05:08] <Skaman> but i removed it
[05:08] <Skaman> sudo apt-get remove imwheel
[05:11] <Skaman> Super_Cat_Frog
[05:11] <Skaman> i pasted the log
[05:11] <Skaman> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=28475
[05:12] <Super_Cat_Frog> ok
[05:12] <chico_and> =O
[05:12] <Skaman> allee i try "purge imwheel"
[05:13] <Skaman> what's the cmd?
[05:13] <allee> Skaman: apt-get --purge remove imwheel # of course ;)
[05:13] <Skaman> ok
[05:13] <Super_Cat_Frog> skaman - there's no EE's (fatal errors) in that log, your xorg.conf is fine (like allee said), and i have no knowlege of imwheel
[05:13] <Skaman> tells me the package is not installed
[05:14] <Super_Cat_Frog> skaman - install it then purge it
[05:14] <Skaman> k
[05:15] <Skaman> ok
[05:15] <Skaman> done
[05:15] <Skaman> mm
[05:15] <Skaman> maybe workd
[05:15] <Skaman> something is goin on
[05:15] <allee> Skaman: Hint  after a  apt-get remove <pkg>   you can use dpkg --purge <pkg>
[05:16] <Skaman> but i cant translate it 
[05:16] <Skaman> or directly apt-get --purge remove<pkg> right?
[05:17] <Skaman> ok
[05:17] <Super_Cat_Frog> does anybody know of a JRE in the repo's?
[05:17] <Skaman> i've got an error
[05:17] <Super_Cat_Frog> ive got hoary/breezy universe/multiverse enabled
[05:17] <Skaman> no write access to /home/skaman/.ICEauthority     KDE in unable to start
[05:17] <Skaman> *but that still something more*
[05:18] <Super_Cat_Frog> skaman - chown skaman:skaman -R /home/skaman/
[05:18] <Super_Cat_Frog> *sudo that
[05:18] <Super_Cat_Frog> sudo chown skaman:skaman -R /home/skaman/
[05:18] <Skaman> k
[05:19] <Foodcoman> What do you guys use?  Firestarter or Shorewall?
[05:19] <Skaman> ok done Super_Cat_frog
[05:20] <Super_Cat_Frog> did work?
[05:20] <Skaman> yes
[05:20] <Skaman> OMG I LOVE U!!!!!!!!!
[05:20] <Super_Cat_Frog> foodcoman - bastile
[05:20] <Super_Cat_Frog> skaman - sing it with me:
[05:20] <Skaman> i'm on!!!!
[05:20] <Super_Cat_Frog> you dont need pants for the victory dance
[05:20] <Super_Cat_Frog> etc
[05:20] <Foodcoman> hehehehe
[05:20] <Skaman> lol
[05:20] <Foodcoman> Another happy camper.
[05:20] <Skaman> Super_Cat_Frog
[05:21] <Skaman> so maybe the problem was removing imwheel?
[05:21] <Foodcoman> If one wanted to master a corporate solution in a firewall which would be a solid choice?
[05:21] <Super_Cat_Frog> skaman - the problem that i fixed was a permissions problem. im not sure what caused that - maybe copying your /root to /home/skaman?
[05:21] <Super_Cat_Frog> foodcoman - iptables
[05:21] <Skaman> i didnt O_o
[05:22] <Super_Cat_Frog> skaman - then i dunno, if something is unwritable by your user and its in your home, just run that command
[05:22] <Skaman> thnx a lot man!
[05:22] <Super_Cat_Frog> its ok
[05:22] <Skaman> and thx allee too
[05:23] <allee> Skaman: all honour goes to Super_Cat_Frog he/she/it found it ;)
[05:23] <Foodcoman> Gracias
[05:24] <Super_Cat_Frog> i think bathes is the word i was after anyway
[05:24] <Super_Cat_Frog> allee - lol at it, although im male
[05:24] <Skaman> reconnecting from my linux box
[05:24] <Skaman> :P
[05:26] <allee> Super_Cat_Frog: he, he sorry.  on IRC one can never be sure ;)
[05:26] <skaman> hehe
[05:26] <Super_Cat_Frog> allee - its ok
[05:26] <skaman> Super_Cat_Frog
[05:26] <skaman> can u pls paste e the cd
[05:26] <skaman> cmd
[05:26] <skaman> *I'm taking notes
[05:26] <Super_Cat_Frog> when i made up the story about the supercatfrog i never did specify the cat and frogs sex anyway
[05:26] <Super_Cat_Frog> skaman:
[05:27] <Super_Cat_Frog> chown skaman:skaman -R /home/skaman
[05:27] <Super_Cat_Frog> (sudo that if run as skaman)
[05:27] <Super_Cat_Frog> that means:
[05:27] <Super_Cat_Frog> change_ownership user:group -recursive /location/to/chmod
[05:28] <Super_Cat_Frog> *-Recursive
[05:28] <allee> Super_Cat_Frog: my rule: chown -Rh ...
[05:28] <lilltiger> where can i get additional repositories? (cant find cgoban2 in thoes specified in the sources.list)
[05:28] <skaman> Recursive means ?
[05:29] <allee> skaman: the subtree(s) too
[05:29] <skaman> ahhh!
[05:29] <skaman> ok
[05:29] <skaman> understood
[05:29] <skaman> i know +1 now
[05:29] <skaman> ^^
[05:29] <allee> lilltiger: http://ubuntuguide.org
[05:30] <Super_Cat_Frog> allee - thats what i was typing, except in a long, non-understadable way (damn words, not knowing when i want them)
[05:30] <skaman> I WAS WONDERING A FORMAT.....but then i tought Hey man this is linux not Windows!
[05:30] <Super_Cat_Frog> skaman - you could have fixed that by deleting your home directory (if you wanted to be violent about it)
[05:31] <Super_Cat_Frog> obviously creating a new home directory afterwards
[05:31] <Super_Cat_Frog> ive recently been having problems with permissions because i got rid of gentoo and decided to take security seriously (i used to just be lazy and be root) 
[05:32] <Super_Cat_Frog> so chown and chmod have been very useful for me recently
[05:32] <skaman> ^^
[05:32] <skaman> and what u can tell me about this? http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=28309
[05:33] <Super_Cat_Frog> your umask should be different for a start (lemme look up the order)
[05:34] <Super_Cat_Frog> actualy - allee-  is the umask AGU or UGA?
[05:34] <Super_Cat_Frog> (for octal values)
[05:35] <allee> Super_Cat_Frog: [<stick>] <user><group><all> 
[05:36] <Super_Cat_Frog> ta
[05:36] <Super_Cat_Frog> skaman - your umask shold be 700
[05:36] <Super_Cat_Frog> not 000
[05:36] <skaman> ok
[05:36] <skaman> I try
[05:37] <skaman> i edit
[05:37] <skaman> umount
[05:37] <Super_Cat_Frog> /etc/fstab
[05:37] <skaman> remount
[05:37] <skaman> and see
[05:37] <Super_Cat_Frog> yes
[05:37] <Super_Cat_Frog> well actually
[05:37] <Super_Cat_Frog> edit /etc/fstab then mount -a /dev/whatever -o remount
[05:37] <Super_Cat_Frog> if you use mount -a whatever -o remount, you can make changes to your / filesystem
[05:38] <Super_Cat_Frog> (without rebooting)
[05:38] <skaman> yez
[05:39] <skaman> sudo mount -a /dev/hdb1 -o remount
[05:39] <Super_Cat_Frog> yes
[05:39] <skaman> this is what i made
[05:39] <skaman> same error
[05:39] <skaman> :(
[05:40] <allee> skaman, Super_Cat_Frog: pardon?  umask is  bit AND'ed  so  umask 022  # or paramoid 027
[05:40] <lilltiger> hmm added all thoes repositiries sugested at http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories and quite meny of em seams to fail.. and still no cgoban2 :(
[05:40] <Super_Cat_Frog> i wasn't expecting that to fix that, but you were going to run into permissions problems later on
[05:40] <skaman> allee speak english pls :D
[05:40] <Super_Cat_Frog> alee - sorry, i didn't understand that
[05:41] <skaman> Super_Cat_Frog ah ok
[05:41] <skaman> and any idea on fix that?
[05:41] <allee> Super_Cat_Frog:  check output of umask command
[05:41] <Super_Cat_Frog> ok
[05:42] <Super_Cat_Frog> i dont have umask apparently
[05:42] <allee> skaman, Super_Cat_Frog : busy.  bbl
[05:42] <Super_Cat_Frog> ok
[05:42] <Super_Cat_Frog> skaman - wait there, i'l do some research on umask
[05:42] <skaman> ;)
[05:42] <skaman> but i can delete a file
[05:42] <skaman> but not a folder
[05:42] <skaman> i can create it
[05:42] <skaman> move it
[05:43] <skaman> rename it
[05:43] <skaman> but not get it into trash
[05:43] <skaman> Trash protocol dont support folder creation"
[05:43] <skaman> this is the error (i translated it...so maybe is not xfect"
[05:44] <Super_Cat_Frog> skaman - your umask should be 000 - my  bad
[05:44] <Super_Cat_Frog> im not sure about your trash problem though
[05:44] <Super_Cat_Frog> gimme a sec with that
[05:44] <skaman> lol
[05:44] <Super_Cat_Frog> or 027 if your paranoid
[05:45] <skaman> no i'm not paranoid
[05:45] <skaman> i'm natted too
[05:45] <skaman> so i'm pretty UNparanoid
[05:45] <lilltiger> vfat filsystem?
[05:46] <lilltiger> file..
[05:46] <skaman> yes
[05:46] <lilltiger> umask=000 should be enought as option for it then
[05:46] <skaman> i re set it to 000
[05:47] <skaman> omg everyday kde tv channel list resets
[05:47] <Super_Cat_Frog> sorry skaman, im not sure about your trash problem
[05:47] <Super_Cat_Frog> skaman - i'd recommend tvtime over kdetv
[05:48] <skaman> tvtime?
[05:48] <lilltiger>  /dev/hda6       /mnt/ftp2       vfat    umask=000       0       0
[05:48] <Super_Cat_Frog> or if youve got a lot of spare time and a lot of hard drive space, mythtv is great
[05:48] <lilltiger> i mount my vfat like that.. 
[05:48] <Super_Cat_Frog> skaman - its simple, fast and good looking
[05:48] <skaman> and u can drop folders?
[05:48] <skaman> kdetv works fine
[05:48] <Super_Cat_Frog> skaman - i thought you said you were having problems with the channel list?
[05:48] <skaman> but everyday channels disappear!
[05:49] <skaman> maybe is connected with the other problem...
[05:49] <skaman> ??
[05:49] <lilltiger> skaman: just tried, nope dosent work for me =) (first time ever i tried to use the trashbin) =)
[05:49] <Super_Cat_Frog> i shouldn't think so - the kde channel list is probably saved in ~/.kde/share/apps/kdetv/channellist.xml or something like that
[05:52] <skaman> lilltigerso is not a problem of mine
[05:52] <skaman> minre problem only i mean
[05:53] <Super_Cat_Frog> i have a major gripe with the way kde handles default browsers (its a bug in the code, ive reported it)
[05:55] <lilltiger> skaman: nope, and is easy to repoduce so report it as a bug =)
[05:56] <lilltiger> *dosent get akode to work* =( followed the instructions.. but no akode engine in amarok
[05:56] <Super_Cat_Frog> if anybody uses a browser other than konqueror, and uses akregator, klamav or occasionally konqueror as a browser, please vote on this bug: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81654
[05:56] <Super_Cat_Frog> lilltiger - try running kbuildsycoca
[05:56] <Super_Cat_Frog> i had to do that to get amarok to find the xine output engine
[05:57] <lilltiger> ohh, shouldent be nessesary at all.. hmm
[05:58] <skaman> now i try to save the channell list
[05:58] <skaman> coz i @#@#@##@@ to have to re set channels everyday
[05:59] <Super_Cat_Frog> skaman - you could make it recreate your channel list every time you login
[06:00] <lilltiger> Super_Cat_Frog: dident help :(
[06:00] <skaman> that's an idea
[06:00] <skaman> but i cannot explain why this happensa
[06:00] <Super_Cat_Frog> lilltiger - i also built from cvs sources before i ran that command, not sure if that helped or not (you could try the xine plugin if you dont use arts for anything else)
[06:01] <skaman> anyway i saved a copy of the file now
[06:01] <skaman> :@
[06:01] <lilltiger> do i need to run anything else then apt-get install akode-mpeg
[06:01] <lilltiger> Super_Cat_Frog: name of the xine-plugin?
[06:01] <skaman> do anyone of u have a MXxxx mouse?
[06:01] <Super_Cat_Frog> skaman - write a simple script to create a hard link to your backed up channel list to kdetv's channel list file
[06:01] <Super_Cat_Frog> lilltiger - amarok-xine i think
[06:02] <Super_Cat_Frog> lilltiger - but arts locks the sound iirc, so you have to use madplay or something else for audio output for knotify
[06:02] <skaman> Super_Cat_Frog i wish i could do that i'm newbie user (linux from few days)
[06:02] <Super_Cat_Frog> skaman - open up your /home/skaman/.kde/Autostart folder
[06:02] <Super_Cat_Frog> then right click, create new, link to application
[06:03] <skaman> yes
[06:03] <lilltiger> Super_Cat_Frog: well.. to remove all sounds from knotify is like the first thing i do anyways =)
[06:03] <Super_Cat_Frog> call it whatever you like and click the application tab 
[06:03] <skaman> yezz
[06:04] <Super_Cat_Frog> and in command put this:
[06:04] <Super_Cat_Frog> ln /home/skaman/mychannellist.xml /where/ever/the/kde/tv/channel/list/goes.xml
[06:05] <lilltiger> found the xineplugin but not the akode :(
[06:05] <Super_Cat_Frog> lilltiger - the xine plugin is recommended by the amarok devs anyway
[06:06] <lilltiger> well akode produces the best sound and works best under load..
[06:07] <lilltiger> but then., ill probly go back to Gentoo.. dosent like this apt-get system.. feels ackward =)
[06:08] <Super_Cat_Frog> lilltiger - i miss gentoo too
[06:08] <Super_Cat_Frog> people say useflags dont serve any purpose, but ive now found they do#
[06:08] <Super_Cat_Frog> but i cant be arsed waiting fr the compile times anymore
[06:08] <lilltiger> just takes so long to install it..
[06:08] <lilltiger> otherwise id say its superior.. and the portage is alot better =)
[06:08] <Super_Cat_Frog> ive still got mine installed, just incase (and because i _know_ my mythtv is working in gentoo, im still fiddling with it in kubuntu)
[06:09] <skaman> i have problems with kopete too Super_Cat_Frog remember we was talking few days ago?
[06:09] <skaman> i did 3 hours memtest without any error
[06:10] <lilltiger> im just testing this out.. was alot fuzz about it.. well im not impressed at all.. quite the contuary..
[06:10] <lilltiger> skaman: what kinda problems?
[06:10] <lilltiger> kopete 10.0 totaly sux :(
[06:11] <skaman> when i halt or even when I end my session kopete crashes
[06:11] <Super_Cat_Frog> kopete works great for me, they ironed out the bugs good from the RC's
[06:11] <skaman> (is always open)
[06:11] <Super_Cat_Frog> skaman - have you tried disabling sessions in kde? they annoy me anyway (im not sure if that would fix it though)
[06:11] <skaman> no i didnt
[06:12] <skaman> how can i do?
[06:12] <Chin2> anybody know of a good css editor for kubuntu?
[06:12] <buz> how about new packages for firefox? (and thunderbird is quite out of date...)
[06:12] <lilltiger> for me kopete messes up teh online icq database so i cannot connect for several hours and stuff..
[06:12] <Super_Cat_Frog> kcontrol > kdecomponents > session manager  > start with an empty session
[06:12] <skaman> ok
[06:12] <skaman> i did
[06:12] <skaman> let's see
[06:12] <Super_Cat_Frog> buz - no more updates except security for hoary now, you have to add breezy to your repo's
[06:13] <skaman> comin back in a sec
[06:13] <Super_Cat_Frog> ok
[06:13] <Super_Cat_Frog> lilltiger - i only use it for MSN - fine for me
[06:13] <lilltiger> Super_Cat_Frog: ahh, yes msn works fine
[06:13] <buz> firefox and thunderbird ARE security updates
[06:13] <buz> and its not in breezy, either
[06:13] <Super_Cat_Frog> buz - the patches will be backported
[06:14] <Super_Cat_Frog> lilltiger - have you tried using kopete for jabber using jabber > icq?
[06:14] <lilltiger> Super_Cat_Frog: nope
[06:14] <skaman> same thing
[06:14] <skaman> i was thinking to purge andthen reinstall kopete
[06:15] <Super_Cat_Frog> sorry skaman, i have no more idea's on that - you could try in #kde though
[06:15] <allee> skaman: MXxxx mouse?   that's a logitech bluetooth mouse?  Problems?
[06:15] <Super_Cat_Frog> skaman - what protocols do you use?
[06:15] <skaman> logitech mx510 usb mouse
[06:15] <skaman> (even if i use it in ps2)
[06:15] <skaman> i woul let all buttons work
[06:15] <allee> skaman: usb? boring ;)
[06:17] <allee> skaman: start xev  in konsole.   you use the additional wheels, buttons.  Any output of xev written?
[06:17] <skaman> i never used wireless mouses
[06:17] <skaman> i am a netgamer no wires +ms
[06:18] <buz> is anyone using breezy?
[06:18] <skaman> allee lot of output
[06:19] <lilltiger> yhee because radiowaves is slower then copperwires.. or.. err emm =)
[06:19] <allee> skaman: when xev generates output when you press buttons and/or wheels then everything looks right for me 
[06:19] <allee> skaman: what's the problem?
[06:20] <skaman> well the 9th button do not generate any output
[06:20] <skaman> maybe  for the others i should just config it
[06:21] <Super_Cat_Frog> buz - i have breezy in my repo's and its working fine so far
[06:22] <Super_Cat_Frog> skaman - try xorgcfg
[06:22] <uniq> buz: i'm using breezy too.. no (big) problems yet..
[06:22] <buz> mhh cups is broken since i got breezy
[06:23] <uniq> hotplug is kinda' weird too.. need to load some modules manually..
[06:23] <buz> it does patiently weird stuff
[06:23] <uniq> and udev is somehow broken.. i've been told.
[06:23] <buz> mhh cups claimed the printer aint there but i can feed PS2 to it through /dev/usb so i don't think hotplug is the problem
[06:23] <buz> aaaaaaaaah
[06:23] <buz> that might be it then
[06:23] <skaman> Super_Cat_Frog i was doing this http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=28374
[06:23] <buz> mhh nooow
[06:23] <buz> how to downgrade udev
[06:24] <skaman> when my system breacked down
[06:24] <uniq> buz: yeah.. might be the same problem.. /dev/usb* is owned by root or something.. 
[06:24] <skaman> i'll retry
[06:24] <skaman> maybe i'm luckyer
[06:24] <buz> not even stuff running as root can print (besides, cups is running as root i think)
[06:24] <uniq> hum.
[06:25] <uniq> buz: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=27286
[06:25] <buz> so lets downgrade udev back to hoary
[06:25] <uniq> post #18 for downgrading.
[06:25] <uniq> err.. #17
[06:25] <uniq> that's mine :)
[06:26] <uniq> shooot.. 14.. damn quoting :)
[06:26] <buz> now i suppose i need to reboot right
[06:27] <uniq> you can try to restart udev
[06:27] <buz> i'm gonna go eat dinner anyway ;-9
[06:31] <Super_Cat_Frog> is it possible to mask a single version of a package, like in gentoo "echo =catagory/app-1.2.3 >> /etc/portage/package.mask"?
[06:38] <skaman> ok guys i made it
[06:38] <bhna> why depends superkaramba on xmms and gtk 1.2
[06:38] <skaman> if u don't see me back all went bad again
[06:38] <skaman> :D
[06:40] <zane> I have been using Kubuntu for last 2 months now and this is the best distro I have used so far. Everything works as it is supposed to. only thing that wouldnt work is my sound.. other than that, everything else is flawless here
[06:42] <skaman> yezzz i did it!!!!
[07:05] <ubuntu> HEEELP
[07:05] <buz> i downgraded udev to hoarz, now it wont boot anymore
[07:06] <buz> first it cant find stuff in proc, then hangs saying something about ICE socket
[07:06] <uniq> that's not udev.. afaik.
[07:06] <uniq> using kmyfirewall? 
[07:06] <buz> no
[07:07] <uniq> others have the same problem.. i've seen posts blaming kmyfirewall.. 
[07:07] <uniq> can you boot in singleuser mode? 
[07:07] <buz> ive booted the live cd now
[07:07] <buz> can mount the fs
[07:10] <buz> ok i should remove  home/.ICEAuthoritz
[07:10] <buz> lets see if it helps
[07:18] <buz> mhh no
[07:18] <buz> but maybe i go back to breezy and wait for it to settle
[07:18] <buz> bbl
[07:30] <_buz> ok, anyone on breezy DON'T DOWNGRADE udev, your machine will be broken after that
[07:31] <_buz> now lets see what happens if i downgrade EVERYTHING to hoary
[07:32] <uniq> _buz, did you manage to upgrade udev? 
[07:32] <_buz> yeah reupgrading it gives a bootable system again
[07:33] <uniq> ok.
[07:33] <_buz> might wanna post that to the forums
[07:33] <uniq> done.
[07:33] <_buz> i'll report my results with downgrading to hoary via apt-pinning
[07:33] <uniq> great :)
[07:33] <_buz> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DowngradingFromHoaryHowTo seems easy enough to adapt to hoary ;-)
[07:34] <_buz> thank god i got a fast pipe
[07:43] <leafw> hi all. Is anyone using powerpc and Airport cards? Why the kwifimanager does not enable the usage of encryption in wireless LANs?
[07:43] <leafw> haven't found any reports so far.
[07:44] <_buz> airport or airport extreme? the latter isnt supported
[07:45] <leafw> _buz: aiport.
[07:45] <leafw> _buz: just old plain AirPort in a PowerBook Titanium G4 1GHz from 2002.
[07:45] <_buz> ah
[07:46] <_buz> i only got recent ibooks with extreme here, those don't work at all :-(
[07:46] <leafw> I've reported to the kubuntu mailing list and there's another guy with the same problem, but noone knows anything about it.
[07:46] <_buz> so sadly i dunno anything about airport
[07:46] <leafw> well, if you ever hear about ... let me know!
[07:46] <_buz> sooo, now let's see if my downgrade works
[07:46] <_buz> wish me luck
[07:47] <leafw> I will try to contact the kwifimanager guys and the kubuntu people
[07:47] <leafw> downgrade to what, previous kubuntu releases ?
[07:47] <_buz> yeah from breezy (prealpha) to hoary (stable)
[07:47] <_buz> i was crazy enough to go to the development version
[07:47] <leafw> I'm using hoary and it doesn't work !
[07:47] <leafw> the kwifimanager I mean .. the rest is really ok
[07:48] <_buz> havent got a laptop here to check
[07:48] <_buz> wifi is often trouble on linux anyway
[07:49] <leafw> _buz: don't known, Apple makes it's own hardware and fine-tuned software along it, so it always works.
[07:49] <leafw> _buz : I'd like to get this working to get rid of macosx altogether.
[07:49] <_buz> yeah
[07:49] <_buz> but i dont like osx that much
[07:51] <leafw> _buz : I'm tired of not being able to use new versions of java or python just because apple hasn't released them for 10.2 and pretens I spent some $100 for an "update" to 10.3 or 10.4
[07:51] <_buz> mhh python you can probably get
[07:51] <_buz> java is harder i guess
[07:51] <_buz> anyway, im gonna reboot
[07:51] <leafw> xD
[07:51] <leafw> see you
[07:52] <n0mad5000> i have a problem.... amarok has no sound sytem to choose from... help?
[07:52] <n0mad5000> similar i guess with other audio applications
[07:52] <n0mad5000> please?
[07:53] <n0mad5000> i'm on kubuntu, of course
[07:53] <n0mad5000> :)
[07:53] <n0mad5000> oh, anyone? please?
[07:54] <bhna> n0mad5000: apt-get install amarok-engines
[07:54] <n0mad5000> oh, thx
[07:54] <n0mad5000> brb
[07:55] <nubbe> is kubuntu less integrated than ubuntu, so to speak?
[07:55] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> dose alien work with kubuntu ?
[07:55] <nubbe> I tried kde-desktop in hoary-pre and had some problems
[07:56] <nubbe> like konqueror dieng rigth and left
[07:57] <nubbe> or is it as good as ubuntu now?
[07:57] <nubbe> or am I rude?
[07:58] <nubbe> :)
[08:00] <n0mad> okay, i don-t have the package amarok-engines
[08:00] <n0mad> but i don-t believe that's the problem
[08:00] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> mines fine
[08:00] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> no real issues just some settings to tweak
[08:00] <n0mad> when i try to start a song, i get kde crash
[08:01] <n0mad> artd caused error in soundserver... or something like that
[08:01] <buz> damned apt pinning and downgrade doesnt work either
[08:01] <buz> results in the same problem as with downgraded udeve
[08:01] <n0mad> okay, please guys, help?
[08:02] <_martin> nomad u got a creative mp3 player?
[08:02] <_martin> your name..?
[08:02] <n0mad> nopr
[08:02] <n0mad> *nope
[08:02] <_martin> oki just checking.. got problems
[08:03] <n0mad> okay, anyone? multimedia applications causing crash when i try to launch some file
[08:03] <n0mad> audio file
[08:04] <ManLord> anyone with tv card here?
[08:04] <buz> kaffeine iss broken
[08:04] <buz> others work for me
[08:05] <ManLord> 7help
[08:07] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> i del kaffeine cant stand that progie
[08:23] <whiskers> ok...i was finally able to get midi working on ubuntu with the help of a jack server
[08:23] <whiskers> but it comes at an expense.....i have to stop esd in order to play midi
[08:24] <Choubaka> hm.
[08:24] <buz> mhh back where i started, using breezy...
[08:24] <Choubaka> maybe you can make esd use jack.
[08:24] <whiskers> so i suppose the hardware is not too good as it used to be
[08:24] <Choubaka> though a sound daemon using a sound daemon is...
[08:24] <Choubaka> horror
[08:24] <whiskers> Choubaka, it seems that the ac_97codec as far as i can tell can only allow either midi or pcm but not both simultaneously
[08:25] <Choubaka> hmm.
[08:25] <Choubaka> you can play midi in hardware? :|
[08:25] <Choubaka> I can't :(
[08:25] <whiskers> Choubaka, yes i am using an intel8x0
[08:25] <whiskers> Choubaka, it can be done and the mid files do play with the help of jack
[08:25] <Choubaka> I should get an SBlive card.
[08:26] <whiskers> Choubaka, but i can't play regular sound and midi at the same time
[08:26] <Choubaka> hardware mixing and soundfonts :P~
[08:26] <whiskers> Choubaka, as far as i can tell it is really a hardware issue
[08:26] <Choubaka> Yeah
[08:26] <Choubaka> most soundcards are crap.
[08:27] <Choubaka> I wish freepats was a more comprehensive collection of instruments
[08:27] <whiskers> Choubaka, oh...you know about freepats
[08:27] <Choubaka> It doesn't play nearly all midis corretly :/
[08:27] <whiskers> Choubaka, well i don't want to tell everybody everything
[08:27] <Choubaka> Yeah. :)
[08:28] <whiskers> Choubaka, except that midi can be done if you are willing to do it separately on these cheap intel sound chip designs
[08:28] <whiskers> Choubaka, and it has to be done with synthesizers and soundfonts
[08:28] <Choubaka> yeah. I know.
[08:28] <Choubaka> I've toyed with timidity.
[08:29] <Choubaka> but it uses a _HUGE_ amount of CPU. :p
[08:29] <whiskers> Choubaka, well timidity is a little slow compared to fluidsynth but both can be used
[08:29] <whiskers> Choubaka, or either
[08:29] <Choubaka> I have a c-media chip so I can't play midis in hardware.
[08:29] <whiskers> Choubaka, yes i know the hardware is cheap
[08:29] <Choubaka> I'll try fluidsynth.
[08:30] <whiskers> Choubaka, well try a jack server and fluidsynth
[08:30] <whiskers> Choubaka, it does work on ubuntu just as good as gentoo
[08:32] <Choubaka> Hmm.
[08:39] <Choubaka> Isn't there a free soundfont anywhere?
[08:39] <Choubaka> freepats doesn't seem to contain soundfonts.
[08:44] <whiskers> Choubaka, and yes these people can all play midi files...they just can't play both midi and pcm simultaneously if they have cheap hardware....at least at this time
[08:45] <Choubaka> Hmm.
[08:45] <Choubaka> it might be possible by hardware mixing.
[08:45] <Choubaka> err
[08:45] <Choubaka> software mixing
[08:46] <Choubaka> use a softsynth to play midi, send that to jack; use a program to play other audio, which is also sent to jack; jack mixes those, and sends it to the soundcard for playing.
[08:46] <Choubaka> Damn I hate cheapo consumer rip-off hardware.
[08:51] <whiskers> Choubaka, well possibilities are endless but it aint happenin today....at the moment if they want both midi and pcm simultaneously...they will have to buy a good sound card
[08:52] <Choubaka> Nah, I think it's possible.
[08:52] <Choubaka> Though I wouldn't guarantee it'll work very well.
[08:53] <Choubaka> They should improve upon ALSA's dmix plugin.
[08:53] <Choubaka> IME it causes horrible latencies.
[08:55] <whiskers> Choubaka, try the jack realtime server....i think you will be pleased at what the cheap hardware can do...it just can't do things simultaneously at this time
[08:55] <Kyaneos> hello
[08:56] <Choubaka> whiskers: Hmm.
[08:58] <whiskers> Choubaka, if you want to experiment with it ...check out qjackctrl
[08:58] <whiskers> Choubaka, it makes things a little easier
[08:58] <whiskers> Choubaka, it is in synaptic
[08:59] <zAo^> how can I tell KDE to use Opera in stead of konqueror ?
[08:59] <skaman> hi
[09:01] <skaman> anyone knows how to share a linux printer with a machintosh?
[09:01] <skaman> anyone knows how to share a linux printer with a machintosh?
[09:01] <Kyaneos> hi
[09:01] <skaman> hi
[09:05] <zAo^> srry skaman 
[09:17] <christian> salve
[09:19] <bhna> has anyboddy sucess with extendedPDF and openoffice?
[09:21] <bhna> extendedPDF http://www.jdisoftware.co.uk/pages/epdf-home.php
[09:21] <bhna> any tips?
[09:28] <whiskers> well i guess the basics work on ubuntu with the exception of the linmodem driver which is important
[09:29] <whiskers> and if they could get software mixing to work properly with this cheap sound hardware that would be even better
[09:33] <whiskers> but it really seems to me that for these rosegarden types of issues.....freedos32 would have advantages....as a dual boot system...if they ever get it going
[09:37] <whiskers> i think while MS and Apple battle it out for the desktop....most of us will just use linux
[09:47] <whiskers> i did manage to make a couple of improvements on wine in its config file...but there is still the problem of the cdtest in The Beast Within......i noticed it some time ago on MS platform....but it is an improvement in wine because at least it begins to install
[09:48] <whiskers> so wine has had some improvement...but dosbox is seriously lacking...i think it would be better to have a dual boot freedos32 approach
[09:49] <whiskers> because a working freedos32 when that happens should easily be able to support all the regular dos games in a section of its memory capacity
[09:51] <whiskers> unless all you people want to pay megabucks to MS or Apple
[09:54] <hussam> other than the once mentioned in http://ubuntuguide.org , what other apt repositories can I add?
[10:02] <Super_Cat_Frog> hi - does anybody know where my girlfriends tweezers are?
[10:03] <Super_Cat_Frog> also, is anybody else having problems with hotplug?
[10:03] <Super_Cat_Frog> when i boot it stops at  Starting Hotplug Subsystem
[10:14] <whiskers> i think ubuntu should at least supply the linmodem module for its precompiled kernel...at least we could load and unload it for testing
[10:15] <whiskers> since they don't want to compile it in for some reason
[10:23] <whiskers> now it may be possible to just separately compile the winmodem....errrr...i mean linmodem module....and use a script to fix the module versions
[10:26] <\sh> hmmm..k3b has no deps to cdrdao?
[10:28] <Super_Cat_Frog> hmm - ive just found i dont have a /etc/udev/udev.conf - could somebody tell me how to get the default udev config files back?
[10:28] <Super_Cat_Frog> if i copy my udev.conf from gentoo over, should that work?
[10:29] <whiskers> Super_Cat_Frog, if you already have gentoo running...you have nothing to gain by moving to ubuntu...ubuntu is for beginners
[10:29] <Super_Cat_Frog> whiskers - im bored of the compile times
[10:30] <Super_Cat_Frog> i miss the control of gentoo, but i like just doing sudo apt-get install whatever and in %DOWNLOADTIME+5seconds its installed
[10:30] <allee> Super_Cat_Frog: Hi.  check in what pkg udev.conf is.  Download the deb and dpkg -i --force-confmiss <pkg>
[10:30] <Super_Cat_Frog> thanks allee
[10:31] <Super_Cat_Frog> allee - how do i search for packages containing udev.conf? ive tried apt-cache search
[10:31] <allee> Super_Cat_Frog: dpkg -S udev.conf
[10:33] <Super_Cat_Frog> ta
[10:33] <anna> Anybody can point me to details about the HP contract for Ubuntu?
[10:37] <Super_Cat_Frog> how can i download the .deb - i cant find any .debs on http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary/main/binary-i386/
[10:38] <allee> Super_Cat_Frog: [I only look at konversation from time to time.  use 'allee' so I get a ping ] 
[10:39] <Super_Cat_Frog> ok
[10:39] <allee> Super_Cat_Frog: apt-get --download-only --reinstall install <pkg>
[10:39] <Super_Cat_Frog> thanks
[10:39] <allee> Super_Cat_Frog: dpkg -i --force-confmiss /var/cache/apt/archive/<pkg>...deb
[10:40] <allee> Super_Cat_Frog: (all modulo typos of course)
[10:40] <whiskers> Super_Cat_Frog, yes well you can use dpkg...yes but try timidity or playmidi....then you have to go back and recompile them yourself because of the sound card options
[10:40] <Super_Cat_Frog> whiskers - what?
[10:40] <whiskers> Super_Cat_Frog, synaptic works sometimes....but in many cases you have to compile the code yourself based on your hardware choices
[10:41] <whiskers> Super_Cat_Frog, go compile playmidi...it is easy and see what i am talking about
[10:41] <Super_Cat_Frog> i dont have or want to play midifiles, so its ok
[10:42] <Super_Cat_Frog> one last question - how do i lock a files version? i dont want to upgrade udev again
[10:43] <Markrian> Super_Cat_Frog, pinning. man apt_preferences
[10:44] <Super_Cat_Frog> thanks
[10:44] <Markrian> Another thing to try is to use aptitude - by far and away the best apt frontend ever
[10:45] <Markrian> (imo)
[11:00] <whiskers> man some of these people really make it hard to print web pages....firefox would not do one..but nvu got it
[11:02] <phxguy> can anyone help me with getting kubuntu to auto detact cramfs?
[11:02] <phxguy> detect i mean
[11:14] <whiskers> wow...that nvu really came in handy for printing some of this stuff on the web
[11:28] <easyease> hi
[11:30] <comforteagle> I just installed kubuntu on my g4 ibook.  All the fonts & app windows are waaay to big to be useful.. what do I use to adjust things like this?
[11:32] <easyease> im fed up tryin ti install javaruntime
[11:35] <easyease> no one says much in here
[11:36] <spiderworm> hey all how do I get the shutdown, hibernate options in KDE on hoary 5.04
[11:36] <whiskers> easyease, well there is not much to talk about except glom still doesn't work....no linmodem driver module for the kernel....and ...the gnome menueditor is broken....the rest is usable
[11:37] <whiskers> easyease, most everyone has their stuff working just like they want it
[11:38] <easyease> hi whiskers!im kinda new to it all... was on windows til i got a worm lastweek.
[11:39] <easyease> or rathermy pc
[11:39] <whiskers> easyease, well....it takes a while to get to know the issues....but it is a usable system....just not as polished as the expensive MS and Apple stuff
[11:42] <easyease> yeah a few glitches to iron out eh. got potential
[11:42] <whiskers> easyease, yes there is still about 3 or 4 bugs.
[11:44] <easyease> ive had probs with things freezing up .the media players
[11:44] <whiskers> easyease, that usually happens if you have your sound outputs wrong
[11:44] <whiskers> easyease, be sure to configure them properly
[11:45] <easyease> ok ill look into that. thanks!
[11:45] <whiskers> easyease, for example if you are using arts or esd don't configure xmms for alsa
[11:45] <whiskers> easyease, configure it for what you are using
[11:48] <whiskers> easyease, but anyway...the logitech wingmans work, the usb stuff works, the opengl stuff works, the dvd stuff mostly works, and external faxmodems work...but not the cheap ones
[11:48] <whiskers> easyease, and something needs to be done about that
[11:49] <whiskers> easyease, so plenty works....but there are some bugs left for people to work on
[11:50] <whiskers> easyease, i am trying to find a way to seed a bittorrent file from behind NAT with a non-public address...can you tell me if you see the file on gnome torrent....you don't have to download it...i am just trying to test something
[11:52] <\sh> morning amu
[11:53] <amu-> moin sh
[11:53] <\sh> amu: u r famous ;) http://dot.kde.org/1113894130/
[11:53] <amu-> hehe
[11:53] <easyease> ivenever used gnome torrent.could take a while.lol
[11:54] <\sh> amu: and they're trolling around why that distro and those distros are not mentioned on dko ;)
[11:56] <whiskers> easyease, well i am trying to figure out how to post a torrent file on someone else's tracker
[11:56] <amu-> sh: yep very funny, they compare the great kubuntu with a liveCD named kanotix :) 
[11:56] <whiskers> easyease, since i am behind a NAT firewall
[11:57] <whiskers> easyease, i would like to know if it works...but first i have to find a tracker i can post on
[11:57] <easyease> ah i see. im behind a router
[11:58] <whiskers> easyease, yes i know...these damn NAT routers aren't worth crap...but i cannot get the virtual wan stuff working on my other router that does not have NAT
[11:58] <kubuntero> hello 
[11:59] <\sh> amu: yeah..:) but the most interessting discussions is on ian murdocks blog ;) 
[11:59] <\sh> debian vs. ubuntu ;)
[11:59] <kubuntero> how to install theme for gaim  ?
[11:59] <easyease> cant you configure a path through router?
[12:00] <whiskers> easyease, well on the internet there are public addresses that can be reached and there are NATTED addresses than  can't be reached
[12:00] <whiskers> easyease, like 192.168.25.267