=== Nasdaq7 [gfhgfa@tkp-ip-nas-1-p94.telkom-ipnet.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Keybuk [~scott@150.203.247.9] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jcole_awy [~jcole@palwebproxy2.core.hp.com] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [12:15] Robot101: just *after* lca [12:15] dilinger: still awake? [12:17] yea [12:17] thom: modperl2? [12:18] yeah; although off topic for here really :-) you're on #d-d on oftc, right? [12:18] yep === mpt [~mpt@203.86.197.132] has joined #ubuntu-devel === maswan_ [maswan@kennedy.acc.umu.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mpt [~mpt@203.86.197.132] has joined #ubuntu-devel === xuzo [~xuzo@81-203-41-93.user.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === susus [~sz@p5089B711.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kop|gone is now known as metallikop === \sh [~shermann@server3.servereyes.de] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Konversation] === nullaresnata [~henriquem@cb-217-129-175-184.netvisao.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:34] guys [01:34] but where's pitti? === ogra [~ogra@CPE-60-225-18-37.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [~pitti@CPE-60-225-18-37.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:42] Morning [01:43] hi pitti [01:44] moin 2 [01:46] pitti, amu, where do i find the room schedule for the hotel ? === pitti has no clue [01:46] hmm === dholbach [~daniel@CPE-60-225-18-37.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:51] hey [01:55] pitti: morning :-) [01:55] Hey zyga [01:56] just curious, do you live in .au? [01:57] zyga: right now, yes :-) === astro76 [~james@astro76.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach [~daniel@CPE-60-225-18-37.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === moyogo [~moyogo@69.156.166.86] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [~pitti@CPE-60-225-18-37.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:06] yay [02:06] hey pitti [02:06] ppc sleep with DRI [02:06] pitti: Yeah, I'm speaking to benh about it === seb128 [~seb@CPE-60-225-18-37.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:07] darn you guys [02:07] mjg59: I tried the "AGPMode" "4" option [02:07] you're just mocking us, poor i386 people ;-) [02:07] oll [02:07] "poor i386 people"? [02:07] I'm pretty happy with the x86 platform [02:07] hey schweeb [02:08] hiya [02:08] zyga: Hey, sleep with DRI works fine on a lot of x86 [02:08] yesterday at a linux meeting [02:08] I saw ubuntu installed on an iBook :P === pitti loves his ibook === zyga never had working sleep on any box [02:08] the guy told me that something misses :P [02:09] astharot: apart from the crappy softmodem, everything works for me now [02:09] dilinger : Yes. [02:09] pitti: airport too? [02:09] oh, VGA out doesn't [02:09] pitti: ibook? [02:09] astharot: no, airport doesn't work, but I don't have an airport card; I use an USB WLAN adapter [02:09] oh ok === moyogo [~moyogo@69.156.166.86] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zul [~chuck@CPE0006258ec6c2-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:12] hola [02:16] Hey zul [02:16] daniels: ping [02:16] hey pitti how is it going? [02:16] fine, enjoying my Sydney holiday [02:16] cool [02:17] pitti: grab me a pack of farscape dvds ;-) [02:17] hellas zul [02:18] hey dholbach === ironwolf [~ironwolf@c-24-6-169-124.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === AndyFitz [~andy@150.203.247.9] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:20] Kamion: ping? [02:22] quiet here as well [02:23] dholbach, how is the wlan behaving ? [02:23] schlooow [02:23] schnell [02:25] Keybuk: yeah? === ogra [~ogra@CPE-60-225-18-37.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:25] Kamion: what happened to the poster thing? [02:27] Keybuk: oh, it's in my room, drat [02:27] Keybuk: will fetch it at lunchtime [02:29] ok, fair enough -- today seems a good day to get people to sign it [02:32] yep [02:35] Keybuk : Hey, is MOM smart enough to track package renames (like mozilla-firefox -> firefox) and one-to-many source package relations (php4 in Debian -> php4/php4-universe in Ubuntu)? === LeeJunFan [junfan@64-186-37-120.skycon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:35] Keybuk : Assuming one informs it of said renames, of course (ie: Is there a package relation override or something?) [02:38] ogra: slow [02:38] dholbach, but not glowing anymore ? === mike_douglas [~mike@70.70.204.42] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:40] I heard that %post runs after the base install but before the desktop install. Is there a way to get it to run after everything is finished installing? [02:41] infinity: no, it explicitly cannot handle that [02:41] neither can lorraine (the sync script) [02:41] so we've just blacklisted mozilla-firefox [02:41] (otherwise we'd stupidly sync it over-top of our firefox packages) [02:43] mike_douglas: no - preseed base-config/late_command instead [02:46] Keybuk : Dang. Oh well. :) === moyogo [~moyogo@69.156.166.86] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:48] is mdz around ? [02:54] ogra: no... have a longer usb cable now [02:55] ogra: but my OOo is broken *grrrrr* have to paint my slides by hand or something [02:55] "Use latex-beamer, Luke" [02:55] (SCNR) [02:56] pitti: latex offers better protection than rubber === ogra [~ogra@CPE-60-225-18-37.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mdz-lca [~mdz@150.203.247.9] has joined #ubuntu-devel === metallikop is now known as kop|gone === wasabi_ [~wasabi@c-24-1-61-51.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:03] bluefoxicy: hi [03:04] hi === squinn [~root@68.205.198.0] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:04] bluefoxicy: any progress? [03:05] nope, been busy with work [03:05] From a Gentoo user, thanks. [03:05] I'm coming back to Ubuntu and I'm glad you guys make such an awesome distribution. [03:05] has anyone made a patch for wget yet? [03:05] bluefoxicy: I plan on writing proof of concept code tommorow [03:05] And the best April Fools' bootsplash I've ever seen. :) [03:06] zyga: any stats on used vs allocated and (allocated-used)/allocated == %wasted === tsume looks at versoin [03:06] in typical long (4-5 hour) runs of i.e. firefox, thunderbird? [03:06] bluefoxicy: and sorry for saying, malloc code is really big ;> [03:06] I know [03:06] :) [03:06] bluefoxicy: not yet unfortunatly [03:07] bluefoxicy: I still do not quite understand what fails in my example stats gather code [03:07] bluefoxicy: I plan to write trivial allocator that uses memory better (in a worst case scenaro) than malloc does currently [03:07] bye guys [03:08] (worst case for malloc ;-) [03:08] yeah [03:08] i'm working that way [03:08] tsume : What sort of patch? [03:08] bluefoxicy: would you like to have a look at my code [03:08] infinity: oh, well I guess its fixed already [03:08] nah [03:08] i code on my own [03:08] bluefoxicy: I still have no clue why it works on test programs and fails on stuff like ls [03:09] infinity: I seen the version for wget. I usually use curl because its better. [03:10] and for the reason I like how the haxx.se site talks about the GPL :P [03:10] infinity: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=bugtraq&m=110269474112384 [03:10] infinity: I also dislike wget because it suffers from ignorant developers ;) [03:11] tsume_: ignorant developers? === Zugot [~bryan@pcp0010860530pcs.longhl01.md.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:11] pitti: pong [03:12] zyga: from the developer's mouth [03:12] zyga: he admits he doesn't update the code [03:12] zyga: wget really should be taken out if the dev is going to half way abandon the project [03:12] zyga: curl power ;) === tsume_ wonders about forcing a delete on wget.. [03:13] I don't want it in base(and usually don't) when there are ignorant developers involved [03:14] daniels: uh, just going now... dbus really rocks now, just needs to not restart hal if upgrading from 0.23... [03:14] wget> first look at its reverse-depends [03:14] tsume_: wget has brand recognition [03:14] pitti: mmm [03:14] tsume_: I'm a developer and I've never heard of curl :> [03:14] i'm on holiday this week :) [03:14] Kamion: ignoring depends, and symlinking wget to curl [03:14] tsume_: is it possible to have a wget wrapper around curl if it's technically superrior? [03:14] zyga: I first heard of curl by libwww [03:14] tsume_: ignoring depends gets you into PAIN; you should create a dummy package instead if you want to go that way [03:14] hmmm [03:14] zyga: very good question [03:15] zyga: I don't see the harm of wrapping the program sn libwget libs(if any) to curl [03:15] tsume_: :-) [03:15] Kamion: good thinking. I'll create a dummy package [03:15] tsume_: now you see the real world issue ;-) [03:15] bye [03:15] bye [03:16] zyga: I'm a security mon :) I can't stand a program when I _know_ theres bad/unmaintained code. [03:16] tsume_: I'm a lazy person, I use it until it breaks [03:16] ;-) [03:17] zyga: hehe. even a car? :P === marcin_ant [~marcin@www.e-dev.tele2.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:17] tsume_: nah, I don't use those [03:17] zyga: I bet you drive a plymoth reliant ;)(nerd car) [03:17] tsume_: they are using obsolete technology, I'm still waiting for cold fusion [03:19] 02:19 < CIA-2> debian-installer: cjwatson * r26922 packages/cdebconf/ (debian/changelog src/cdebconf.conf-dist.in): [03:19] 02:19 < CIA-2> debian-installer: Add config instances for the standard debconf databases in /target, so that [03:19] 02:19 < CIA-2> debian-installer: we can do 'debconf-copydb -p foo/bar configdb target_configdb' once the base [03:19] tsume_ : Well, the worst of those bugs is the non-cleansing of chars output to the terminal. [03:19] 02:19 < CIA-2> debian-installer: system is installed. [03:19] mdz-lca: ^-- cdebconf 0.76 will have that [03:20] tsume_ : Given that someone who can SEE they're downloading .bashrc should expect it to break, I don't much care that it lets you do that, but if you can hide that from the user, then two two together are bad. [03:20] infinity: I was never convinced that was a bug in the first place [03:20] tsume_ : Patching that one bug shouldn't be that painful. [03:20] Kamion : Which? The control chars bug? [03:20] infinity: yeah [03:20] Kamion: yay! [03:21] Kamion : Not a bug as in "can't reproduce it", or "you don't think it should cleanse terminal output"? [03:21] infinity: the latter [03:21] infinity: well, that's too strong [03:21] I dunno. Allowing an HTTP response to overwrite your terminal and hide what it it you're downloading is a bit iffy. [03:21] s/it it/it is/ [03:21] infinity: but "you shouldn't download a random file from the net to stdout unless you have some clue what it is" [03:22] it really always felt like a "don't do that, then" [03:22] Oh, is it just when using -O? [03:22] From reading the bug, I assumed it was HTTP responses being able to cleverly overwrite the status line (by delivering goofy filenames, for instance) [03:23] ah, perhaps I misunderstood [03:23] If it's just when writing to stdout, then I'm with you on the DDTT. [03:23] I agree that that would be a bug [03:23] #261755 looks like HTTP responses, certainly [03:24] Of course, with all these expoilts in HTTP clients, I'm always left wondering "where the heck are people browsing and downloading from that they have to worry about malicious web servers?", but.... Whatever. :) [03:25] Kamion : Kay, and bad HTTp responses being able to overwrite status lines, combined with the fact that you can wget pretty much any file (that you don't already have) spells trouble. [03:26] Kamion : I read your wget user agent banner, determine that as a Debian/Ubuntu user, you probably don't have a .profile (for instance), send you a .profile, but update your screen so you think you're downloading foo.tar.gz. [03:30] infinity: mm, fair enough, yeah === aalam_ [~a_alam@202.41.228.162] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jalrnc [~joao@ip68-0-220-224.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:33] hello, is anyone experiencing problems with the ubuntu wiki? I'm not able to save pages after editing... preview works fine though. [03:34] Also, is anyone working on the evolution mess? [03:34] We have evolution-data-server 1.2.2 in main (which needs to be rebuilt to pull in proper deps, looks like) and evolution-data-server1.2 1.2.2 in universe which should most likely be dropped completely. [03:34] At least, that's what I got out of 5 minutes of looking into it. [03:35] its an unexpected sync from sid [03:35] it will be fixed when seb returns, I imagine [03:36] question, can the OSS community trust Novell? [03:37] "the oss community" is a group of informed individuals, decide for yourself [03:37] but thats way OT [03:37] tseng: its on topic, its a question to ask if anyone can trust Novell taking over linux and open source projects [03:38] no, its not [03:38] and i have yet to see novell "take" over linux or any oss projects [03:38] tsume_ : This is a development channel, not a philosophy channel. [03:38] I have seen them open source their own code [03:38] tseng: they took over suse... :( [03:38] suse still operates largely as it has in the past [03:38] tseng: yes, but because they were the ones behind netware.. it scares me [03:38] anyway, go do your homework [03:39] I dont want to argue with misinformation === tseng sleep. === jalrnc [~joao@ip68-0-220-224.ri.ri.cox.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === __keybuk [~scott@150.203.247.9] has joined #ubuntu-devel === whiprush [~jorge@arslinux.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ikuyaLoqu [~ikuya@openblocks.good-day.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === luis_ [~louie@150.203.247.9] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:55] btw, speaking of netware, does Linux support 64 bit uids? [03:56] yeh in recent kernels iirc === tsume_ grins === blahrus [~blahrus@12-223-50-121.client.insightbb.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kop|gone is now known as metallikop === camilotelles [~camilot@200165123054.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [~stub@203-217-40-144.perm.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tsume_ smiles [04:45] curl is _so_ much nicer than wget [04:45] even the downloading status us more specific [04:48] Except for having to redirect the output. [04:48] Kosai: someone gave me the idea to wrap wget [04:48] Kosai: redirecting is no big deal; [04:49] Kosai: if you wish to add an easier user functionality.. you can simply make a very small patch [04:49] I'm sure it would take only about 20 to 50 lines ;) maybe less [04:49] Kosai: curl is well maintained, wget is not. [04:50] libcurl is great, though I didn't know about curl until libwww died :) [04:50] which was a long time ago. [04:50] is wget actively abandoned? 'cause, well, tar(1) isn't well-maintained either. :) [04:51] Kosai: don't fix software which is fine already ;) [04:51] wget is flawed in all ways, the guy doesn't keep the HTTP client part of the program secure [04:52] s/all/many/ [04:52] it tells me he doesn't know what hes doing. [04:52] neither does the Dickey fellow, ncurses is a mess. [04:53] it was very disturbing the changes made between 5.2 and 5.4 === jnc mutters... !start a holy war: curl vs. wget === milli [~milli@phantom.acmeps.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:07] night === luis_ is now known as lu|lunch === Kamion [~cjwatson@host81-153-126-219.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:30] my allocator is almost done, it's 488 lines so far [05:30] i'll probably log a thousand [05:30] if that === GeorgeDeka [~deka@203-206-86-149.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Keybuk [~scott@150.203.247.9] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jnc__ [shadow@macco.pimpcat.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [~jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel === luis_ [~louie@150.203.247.9] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:08] morning === wasabi [~wasabi@c-24-1-61-51.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:27] elmo: thanks for the NEW and sync love :) === moyogo [~moyogo@69.156.166.86] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:28] has the fontconfig problem been fixed? [06:29] yes [06:29] elmo: can you please give me a sparc pulse if you can? thanks [06:29] cool [06:29] hey daniels [06:30] hey fabbione, sup? [06:30] daniels: packaging the rh cluster suite [06:30] daniels: nothing extremely exciting :) [06:30] fabbione done [06:30] fabbione: WHOOHOO === mdz-lca [~mdz@150.203.247.9] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:31] elmo: thanks a lot [06:34] 3 [06:35] 6 === robitaille [~robitaill@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === UbuntuGet [~gustav@gw5.web.thalamus.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [~stub@203-217-40-144.perm.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === `anthony [~anthony@ekorp-203-63-137-225.eoff.ekorp.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Burgundavia [~corey@24.68.130.193] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Ferry [~ferry@cust.15.118.adsl.cistron.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === moyogo [~moyogo@69.156.166.86] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Reformed [~ben@ben.transact.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === A_Alam [~a_alam@202.41.228.162] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nullaresnata [~henriquem@cb-217-129-175-184.netvisao.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === snaggen [~snaggen@c-897070d5.034-37-73746f12.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ups [~ups@203.200.160.36] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rjo [~jordens@rjo.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nullaresnata [~henriquem@cb-217-129-175-184.netvisao.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nullaresnata [~henriquem@cb-217-129-175-184.netvisao.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === aisipos [~aisipos@dsl081-081-225.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === fwiffo [~fwiffo@dhcpserver0.oersted.dtu.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nullaresnata [~henriquem@cb-217-129-175-184.netvisao.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === trukulo [~trukulo@26.Red-81-45-239.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:22] daniels: LOOK UP [08:23] mdz-lca: I AM [08:23] i even made ludicrous hand gestures in your direction === nullaresnata [~henriquem@cb-217-129-175-184.netvisao.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:27] hey mdz-lca === nullaresnata [~henriquem@cb-217-129-175-184.netvisao.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:29] hmm nice ubuntu review on linuxjournal [08:30] jsgotangco: url? [08:30] http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8253 [08:31] "I anticipate that Ubuntu will become the mainstream Linux distribution globally. As the saying goes, though, only time will tell. However, if you do your due diligence on the company, the sponsor, the spirit of innovation and success of the Ubuntu people, you probably will come to the same conclusion." === nullaresnata [~henriquem@cb-217-129-175-184.netvisao.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:34] "Ubuntu's sponsor, Canonical Ltd., has the necessary funding and a history of succeeding quickly and efficiently." [08:36] haha history [08:38] history doh... [08:39] can't equate Thawte success with Ubuntu === cartman [~cartman@cartman.developer.konversation] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:42] fabbione: hey [08:42] mdz-lca: rhcluster_0.20050419-0ubuntu1_i386.deb <- the real take over :P [08:43] mdz-lca: how is going on the other side of the world? [08:43] yikes === Keybuk [~scott@150.203.247.9] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:45] fabbione: what is rhcluster? [08:45] fabbione: it's ok; I'm a bit light-headed from being upside down [08:45] mdz-lca: http://sources.redhat.com/cluster/ [08:45] mdz-lca: ehhee [08:45] now you just have to include gfs somewhere :) [08:46] mdz-lca: is it difficult to walk on the bare hands? [08:46] oh, does that include gfs stuff? :) [08:46] dieman: it's already in the kernel [08:46] (looking at the website) [08:46] rock [08:46] dieman: yes [08:46] now there 0 excuses to run redhat. :) [08:46] are, rather. [08:46] dieman: they applied happily a few patches i did send back [08:46] rock. [08:47] now they started to be more silence to my patches... [08:47] (redhat is not evil, but its fun to poke fun.) [08:47] probably they realized how crappy is some of their stuff :) [08:47] well. [08:47] uh. [08:47] gfs came from down the hall. [08:47] so like, when you get a ton of grad students in a room, in a basement... [08:47] or they don't like that i post them as @ubuntu.com :P [08:48] allthough, i guess gfs has been rewritten a bit since it was housed in our building :) [08:48] or so im told [08:48] dieman: ehehe [08:48] it *is* funny that they came back to a decent license full circle [08:49] lamont: had a chance to look at https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=9892 ? [08:51] cartman: make sense... [08:51] fabbione: yup, unless you compile rtc support as non-module [08:52] cartman: nah.. we can fix that :) [08:52] at least the i915 stuff seems to work with its rtc now [08:52] yeah I know just change S level :) [08:52] i think [08:52] warty didn't like them. [08:52] is there an ubuntu amd64 channel? [08:52] breezy is going to rock very hard [08:52] i'm pretty sure hoary was happy with it. [08:53] I need to setup fai for hoary now that its out [08:53] and im uh, deploying it sort of. [08:53] breezy is something like a biiiig step :) [08:53] (i've been dist-upgrading machines) [08:54] only 35 ubuntu machines so far. [08:55] 267 woody machines, but 109 of those are lab machines, those will get converted this summer. [08:55] anyhow, this is probally better fodder for the users channel. [08:56] uhm using a 40-pin ide cable for my hard disk is not a good idea it seems [08:56] now that I saw http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-kernel%40vger.kernel.org/msg72852.html [08:56] :) [08:57] heh [08:57] i've seen that happen with scsi [08:58] dieman: well mobo box had one ide cable and I have 3 ide devices [08:58] when someone crimps a LVD cable inside a case [08:58] heh [08:58] LVD cable? [08:58] whats that [08:58] took me *45* minutes to convince the dell guy to send me a new one [08:58] haha :) [08:58] scsi, 50 pin HD I think. [08:58] much more metal than a ide cable === AndyFitz [~andy@150.203.247.4] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:58] you can shake the things and they recoil a little like springs. [08:58] well tech guy say come and we will give you one more cable :) [08:59] he made me read off every bios entry [08:59] dieman: lol [08:59] thank god we have warranty parts direct now, we just order them online :) [08:59] thats the incident that made me sign work up for it [08:59] elmo: are you still around? [08:59] brb checking mobo manual [09:00] hum 80-conductor ide cable means 80-pin? [09:01] yeps [09:01] no [09:01] errr [09:01] 40 pins with 80 cables [09:01] it's the weirdness about ide :) [09:02] yeah because it says 40-1 pin primary ide [09:02] and 80-conductor [09:02] Sata is way easier :) [09:02] and way expensive [09:05] http://www.pcconnection.com/ProductDetail?sku=196894&SourceID=k22350 [09:05] whowa, xen is going to be part of the kernel? [09:05] seems to be that [09:05] dieman: yeah [09:05] cartman: i finally broke down and bought a sata controller [09:06] and i acquired a drive. [09:06] dieman: Sata drivers are not cheap :/ === fwiffo_ [~fwiffo@dhcpserver0.oersted.dtu.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:06] i'm pretty happy with the drive [09:06] so far [09:06] well you should be :) [09:06] more disk space just means more to back up === infinity wonders in what part of the world SATA is expensive... [09:07] My drive was 5 dollars cheaper than the PATA equivalent, sometimes I've seen a 10 dollar premium, but I've never noticed a huge disparity. [09:07] sata was far cheaper for me [09:08] "Pratt said the Xen team is working with InfiniBand vendors to ensure that InfiniBand channels can be extended into guest operating systems running over Xen in an efficient yet fully protected manner." [09:08] that is *creepy* [09:08] wait for the virtual inifiband channels, too. [09:08] (or just guessing) === AndyFitz [~andy@150.203.247.4] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [09:08] well ide drives are far more cheaper than sata === dieman just spent $190 on theatre tickets, so no more tech spending for a while. [09:17] fabbione: ? [09:18] elmo: i think there is something wrong with the Packages generation. for some reasons on sparc/breezy diff isn't there.... [09:19] elmo: but there is the binary for it... === dilinger [dilinger@mouth.voxel.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rubenv [~lambda1@kotnet-148.kulnet.kuleuven.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cartman [~cartman@cartman.developer.konversation] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sivang [~sivang@box79162.elkhouse.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:46] Morning folks! [09:51] Hmm, a sleepy sunday morning I guess === womble [~mpalmer@150.203.247.9] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ups [~ups@203.200.160.36] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:53] its wednesday === infinity -> home. === chris38-home3 [~Christian@82.127.81.96] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:00] cartman: hrm, need to sync my time server.. [10:01] sivang: yeah ;) === pitti [~pitti@CPE-60-225-18-37.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:07] hey pitti [10:07] Hi guys === \sh [~shermann@server3.servereyes.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128 [~seb@CPE-60-225-18-37.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra [~ogra@CPE-60-225-18-37.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mdz [~mdz@ca-studio-bsr1o-251.vnnyca.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:25] <\sh> hey ogra === spacey [~spacey@145.33.144.137] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:29] \sh, have you read heise today ??? [10:29] :-D [10:29] <\sh> hp laptop with ubuntu? === ogra thinks he will have a big party today.... the HP news are unbeliveable [10:29] <\sh> check my linux.blogweb.de I was writing it yesterday :) [10:30] \sh, i cant, the line is to slow.... [10:30] <\sh> but give me a hint where i can find grubconf...I accepted a bug, and the package is not there [10:30] <\sh> ogra: but it's nice [10:30] gah, that crap should get dropped... [10:30] <\sh> ok...then its dropped ;) it's not in the package tree I searched everything [10:31] <\sh> i will write this [10:31] <\sh> ogra: and the katholic chearch has a new pope ;) === dholbach [~daniel@CPE-60-225-18-37.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:33] yep, i heard it.... but it doesnt even come near the HP news :) [10:33] hey [10:33] hey [10:33] <\sh> ogra: hehe...well, the pope is a german guy...but u r right, ubuntu on hp (smiling at my laptop here ;)) is a nice news :) === herzi [~herzi@c128039.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Diablo-D3 [diablo-d3@65.99.190.188] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:37] hey all [10:37] I'm trying to get a straight answer out of someone [10:38] does breezy work? [10:38] Diablo-D3: it is highly unstable atm [10:38] if you need to ask, you don't want to run it [10:38] if you love your system to work, stay on hoary === hno73 [~Henrik@henrik.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:39] I'm not on hoary to begin with, fabbione [10:39] I'm on debian sid [10:39] and I want to convert to ubuntu [10:39] breezy is mostly debian sid right now, with a few hoary patches rolled in [10:39] Diablo-D3: than switch to hoary [10:39] ahh, so to breezy it is [10:40] er, or not? [10:40] Burgundavia: whoa sid will switch to gcc 4.0 too? [10:40] Diablo-D3: stay with hoary [10:40] Diablo-D3: install hoary [10:40] breezy development started a week or so ago [10:40] and it is too immature if you need a usable system [10:40] hoary it is [10:40] I would saty with hoary, as development is just beginning [10:40] cartman: not yet; it certainly will eventually [10:40] Kamion: I see so breezy > sid ;) [10:40] now lets see how fubar I can make my machine [10:41] Diablo-D3: hoary is pretty stable [10:41] cartman: stable is boring =( [10:41] yeah install breezy then :P [10:41] mwhah [10:41] joys of finding new bugs ;) [10:42] I'll try hoary first === seb128 [~seb@CPE-60-225-18-37.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:42] then upgrade from there [10:42] I just don't know what to do with all my kde apps === d3vic3 [~d3vic3@dumbledore.hbd.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:43] like, where does kubuntu stand in all of this? [10:43] cartman: varies [10:43] cartman: nothing is simple in this world [10:43] mdz, ping [10:43] Kamion: true [10:43] we have not yet synced everything from sid [10:44] Kamion: but g++ abi transition is a big gain for me [10:44] hrm === Diablo-D3 has been reading http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/04/11/2335221&from=rss [10:44] yes yes, its slashdot, but I wonder if ubuntu is the death of debian [10:47] no [10:47] ubuntu is the life of debian [10:48] actually.. given the results of the recent DPL election [10:48]