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jalrnc | hello, is anyone experiencing problems with the ubuntu wiki? I'm not able to save pages after editing... preview works fine though. | 03:44 |
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GeorgeDeka | hi all | 05:36 |
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jsgotangco | wassup | 06:02 |
jsgotangco | gimme some docteam luv | 06:02 |
jsgotangco | hmmm | 06:06 |
jsgotangco | i will be talking to myself | 06:06 |
jsgotangco | at least the logs are getting this | 06:06 |
jsgotangco | there are a lot of discussions on the list and mostly are enthusiastic about the docteam projects | 06:06 |
jsgotangco | but how come no one is pulling docs from the existing svn | 06:06 |
jsgotangco | i can only see very few commits t the moment and its mostly minor changes | 06:07 |
jsgotangco | hmmm | 06:07 |
jsgotangco | am i seeing a pattern | 06:07 |
jsgotangco | hmmm | 06:12 |
jsgotangco | i will check the logs first maybe something is being cooked | 06:12 |
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jsgotangco | hmm | 07:56 |
froud | African Greetings | 07:57 |
jsgotangco | hi froud | 07:58 |
froud | morn | 07:58 |
jsgotangco | i see enrico checked on things | 07:58 |
froud | sure, he is a bit busy but we can always count on him | 07:59 |
froud | hows your kwick guide doing | 07:59 |
jsgotangco | froud, im committing a draft you might want to see it | 07:59 |
froud | yeah, cool | 08:00 |
jsgotangco | ive taken consideration of the nature of the quick guide | 08:00 |
jsgotangco | you're right merging would be horrible | 08:00 |
froud | good, commit often is better, that wasy we can collabortate easier | 08:00 |
jsgotangco | im doing stuff on aboutkubuntu.xml as well but i will commit them later when i make some comments | 08:01 |
froud | ok | 08:01 |
jsgotangco | ill be installing qemu later so i can get screens of plain kubuntu | 08:02 |
jsgotangco | check how it works | 08:03 |
Burgundavia | jsgotangco, just use the livecd, it is easier and (AFAIK) looks the same | 08:03 |
jsgotangco | hmmm | 08:04 |
Burgundavia | thus would you start with qemu -cdrom kbuntu.iso | 08:04 |
jsgotangco | ok i'll download it | 08:04 |
Burgundavia | now that is very very slow | 08:04 |
Burgundavia | my 2500+ takes about 15 minutes to boot any livecde | 08:04 |
jsgotangco | i havent slept that much so im a bit tired i've watched the new pope | 08:04 |
jsgotangco | http://www.wordpress.tokyotimes.org/index.php?p=518 | 08:17 |
jsgotangco | haha | 08:17 |
Burgundavia | jsgotangco, do you know how to leave a message for your svn commits? Makes it easier to say what has changed | 08:18 |
jsgotangco | hmmm | 08:22 |
jsgotangco | there is no such thing as than on esvn | 08:23 |
jsgotangco | i maybe wrong | 08:23 |
jsgotangco | wait | 08:23 |
jsgotangco | oh ok i know how now | 08:25 |
jsgotangco | thanks for reminding | 08:25 |
jsgotangco | i wasnt told about doing messages on commits | 08:25 |
Burgundavia | -m (AFAIR) on the command line | 08:32 |
Burgundavia | sorry, I have never used esvn | 08:32 |
Burgundavia | it must pop something up | 08:32 |
froud | jsgotangco: when you commit you have a large text field for your message | 08:32 |
jsgotangco | i got it on esvn now | 08:33 |
jsgotangco | have you seen the linuxjournal article on ubuntu | 08:34 |
froud | no link | 08:34 |
jsgotangco | http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8253 | 08:34 |
jsgotangco | "Ubuntu's sponsor, Canonical Ltd., has the necessary funding and a history of succeeding quickly and efficiently." | 08:35 |
froud | dunno what history that woul dbe | 08:35 |
froud | I dont think Marks success with Thwarte should be factored here | 08:35 |
jsgotangco | i know | 08:37 |
jsgotangco | unless Ubuntu becomes so mainstream it becomes a Redhat in a few years | 08:37 |
froud | And I think that people forget that it is community project sometimes | 08:37 |
jsgotangco | but thats a big gamble | 08:37 |
jsgotangco | yeah | 08:37 |
jsgotangco | Ubuntu != Mark | 08:37 |
froud | too much attention goes towhat Mark and Canonical wnat | 08:38 |
jsgotangco | he's the hogfather though | 08:38 |
jsgotangco | well mark's a businessman | 08:38 |
froud | yeah, but to succeed, Ubuntu needs community acceptance | 08:38 |
froud | and must remain with the community | 08:39 |
Burgundavia | we use zwiki, no? | 08:39 |
froud | no idea | 08:39 |
jsgotangco | i believe so | 08:39 |
Burgundavia | ok | 08:39 |
Burgundavia | ugh | 08:40 |
jsgotangco | i want to react on the article | 08:40 |
jsgotangco | hehe | 08:40 |
Burgundavia | their issue tracker sucks | 08:40 |
jeffsch | nice to see ubuntu is growing in popularity. I guess that means the doc team will be growing too... the more users, the more people wanting to contribute | 08:42 |
froud | yep, that is the bonus | 08:43 |
Burgundavia | ahh, software isn't perfect yet | 08:43 |
Burgundavia | I could scream | 08:43 |
froud | Burgundavia: software never is | 08:44 |
Burgundavia | spent 1/2 hour arguing with my brother about why sepearation of programs is a good thing | 08:44 |
jsgotangco | we're growing | 08:44 |
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jsgotangco | but who's pulling the docs from svn | 08:44 |
Burgundavia | then I check me email | 08:44 |
Burgundavia | and more crap to deal with | 08:44 |
Burgundavia | then I check my WP wathclist, more crap to deal with | 08:44 |
Burgundavia | and then I see zwiki's issue tracker and I almost kill myself | 08:45 |
jsgotangco | i've been reviewing the docs everyday and i rarely see big changes | 08:45 |
jsgotangco | shouldnt we start doing more stuff now | 08:45 |
Burgundavia | we should | 08:45 |
Burgundavia | I have been lazy and haven't done anything | 08:45 |
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froud | jsgotangco: I have an improved outline of the usr guide in works | 08:45 |
jsgotangco | i mean | 08:46 |
froud | jsgotangco: I have a gubuntu / kubuntu isnatllation guide in the works | 08:46 |
jsgotangco | the lists looks like we're incredibly busy | 08:46 |
froud | jsgotangco: it is to be expected | 08:46 |
jsgotangco | but i only see few doing action | 08:46 |
froud | expect it | 08:46 |
froud | not many people will contribute via commits | 08:46 |
jsgotangco | ill just keep silent and commit | 08:46 |
froud | yes that is the way forward | 08:47 |
froud | actions | 08:47 |
froud | do | 08:47 |
froud | comiit | 08:47 |
froud | get to the finish line | 08:47 |
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froud | yes | 08:47 |
jsgotangco | true | 08:47 |
froud | I see it time and again | 08:47 |
jsgotangco | its becoming like election time | 08:48 |
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jsgotangco | popularity posts ugghhh | 08:48 |
jsgotangco | i hate it | 08:48 |
jsgotangco | Burgundavia, i dont mind im having a bad time either | 08:48 |
froud | jsgotangco: you just focus on the kwick guide | 08:48 |
jsgotangco | froud, sure am will do this no turning back | 08:48 |
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Burgundavia | focus on what you are passionate about and ignore the fools (like me) | 08:48 |
jsgotangco | Burgundavia, you're cool to me | 08:48 |
jsgotangco | i like constructive bitching | 08:49 |
froud | Burgundavia: how about some patches on the FAQ | 08:49 |
froud | school run | 08:49 |
froud | brb | 08:49 |
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jeffsch | I am working on a style guide. The initial doc plan for it is almost done | 08:50 |
Burgundavia | cool | 08:50 |
jeffsch | we will need a style guide for all those new writers we'll be getting :-) | 08:50 |
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mdke | sigh | 08:50 |
jsgotangco | right | 08:51 |
jsgotangco | i was looking at kde documentation last night | 08:52 |
jsgotangco | it was so clean and so professional | 08:52 |
jsgotangco | you think the kde foundation hires people to do that? | 08:52 |
jsgotangco | but their screenshots are so outdated i noticed | 08:53 |
Kinnison | Morning all | 09:00 |
jsgotangco | hi Kinnison | 09:01 |
froud | jeffsch: commit the document | 09:02 |
froud | jeffsch: do you have a commit account | 09:02 |
froud | morn Kinnison , when can we expect some docs from you | 09:02 |
jeffsch | i will commit tomorrow. I am tired and want to check it over before committing | 09:02 |
froud | jeffsch: ok | 09:02 |
jeffsch | I also want to make a couple of wiki pages to support discussion and decision making for the document | 09:03 |
froud | fair enough | 09:03 |
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jsgotangco | weee | 09:04 |
jsgotangco | we need that | 09:04 |
froud | most important person on the team :-) | 09:04 |
froud | his way or the highway | 09:05 |
jsgotangco | we need a dictator | 09:05 |
froud | jeffsch: what do you think | 09:05 |
jeffsch | haha... in my dreams | 09:05 |
jsgotangco | no a benevolent dictator | 09:05 |
jsgotangco | hehe | 09:05 |
froud | no I am serious | 09:05 |
jsgotangco | or a docteam pope | 09:05 |
jeffsch | I hope there is more than one person interested in doing that type of thing | 09:06 |
froud | jeffsch: you wanna be editor and chief | 09:06 |
froud | yeah but there must be a head honcho | 09:06 |
froud | and you are the person for the job | 09:06 |
jeffsch | i wanna be world ruler, but I can settle for editor | 09:06 |
jsgotangco | woo | 09:06 |
jsgotangco | its settled then | 09:06 |
froud | Ok now you need to get an editing team that will conform to your specs | 09:07 |
jeffsch | I was hoping to be a bit more collaborative... | 09:07 |
froud | and ohh.... get a wip it may come in handy | 09:07 |
jsgotangco | whips are good | 09:07 |
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froud | I think Kinnison may have some intersting toys to lend you | 09:08 |
froud | jeffsch: it will be collaborative | 09:08 |
froud | but I think we need a person who is in charge of it | 09:08 |
froud | since you are doing a style guide you are th emost qualified | 09:08 |
froud | I love my editors | 09:09 |
froud | as every writer should | 09:09 |
jsgotangco | i can make you coffee | 09:10 |
jsgotangco | editors like coffee dont they | 09:10 |
froud | Burgundavia gives great foot massages | 09:10 |
Burgundavia | huh? | 09:10 |
jsgotangco | just dont be like J. Jonah Jameson | 09:10 |
Burgundavia | where did you dig up that dirt? | 09:10 |
froud | we wont tell you want Kinnison is good at, leave it as a surprise | 09:10 |
jsgotangco | jeffsch seems overwhelmed | 09:11 |
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jeffsch | my attention is wandering to The Daily Show on TV... | 09:11 |
Kinnison | froud: Trust me, you don't want documentation from me | 09:11 |
froud | Kinnison: oh yes we do | 09:11 |
jsgotangco | sure we do | 09:12 |
Kinnison | Burgundavia: back me up here | 09:12 |
jsgotangco | sissy | 09:12 |
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Kinnison | again I say, trust me, you don't want documentation from me | 09:13 |
jsgotangco | you dont want an angry african eh | 09:13 |
froud | Kinnison: why not? | 09:13 |
froud | Kinnison: you are part of the furniture here, so may as well | 09:14 |
jsgotangco | we can always throw Kinnison for wiki work | 09:14 |
jsgotangco | he'd love that | 09:14 |
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Kinnison | all adds up to a sucky person to give doc jobs to :-) | 09:15 |
froud | Ah ha we have a coder | 09:15 |
jsgotangco | what are you doing in Launchpad? | 09:15 |
froud | Kinnison: hows your python? | 09:15 |
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Kinnison | froud: it works | 09:15 |
froud | and jscript? | 09:16 |
Kinnison | it doesn't | 09:16 |
froud | Hmmm | 09:16 |
jsgotangco | 1 of 2 ain't bad | 09:16 |
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=== Kinnison doesn't write guis | ||
Kinnison | If you want to look at the sorts of things I do write, look at my arch repository | 09:17 |
Kinnison | http://arch.digital-scurf.org/ | 09:18 |
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jsgotangco | aranha, dists, ksp-tools, onak | 09:19 |
jsgotangco | this is all klingon to me | 09:19 |
Liz | greetings all | 09:19 |
froud | linux chick | 09:20 |
jsgotangco | ok i see bazaar thats one thing i only recognized | 09:20 |
froud | howzit | 09:20 |
jsgotangco | hi Liz | 09:20 |
Liz | good thanks..how are you both? | 09:20 |
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Kinnison | jsgotangco: aranha is my baby | 09:20 |
jsgotangco | froud, aye | 09:21 |
Liz | nooo..not work | 09:21 |
Liz | heh | 09:21 |
froud | Liz: how about the user guide | 09:21 |
jsgotangco | Kinnison, ahh...im not to familiar with this but what does it do? | 09:21 |
Kinnison | jsgotangco: aranha is a web app dev platform | 09:21 |
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Liz | theres more additions to make? | 09:21 |
jsgotangco | most of the things you do are for bazaar? | 09:21 |
Liz | i need to svn the thing first | 09:21 |
Liz | let me go do that first | 09:22 |
Kinnison | jsgotangco: No, I keep my code in bazaar | 09:22 |
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froud | Liz: ok let us know when you are ready | 09:22 |
froud | OK I am now in work mode, c ya later | 09:22 |
jsgotangco | i see i understand now | 09:22 |
jsgotangco | isn't aranha portuguese | 09:23 |
jsgotangco | arachnid or something | 09:24 |
jsgotangco | jeffsch, do you think its ok to edit global.net if i need to add some more | 09:28 |
jsgotangco | or do i ask froud-work first | 09:28 |
froud-work | jsgotangco: you should do so if you feel that it is warranted | 09:29 |
Liz | ok its loading now | 09:32 |
jsgotangco | yay | 09:38 |
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Liz | gonna go make some dinner while this is loading | 09:51 |
Liz | bbiab | 09:51 |
Liz | hi sivang | 09:51 |
sivang | He Liz | 09:51 |
sivang | Liz: 'sup? | 09:51 |
Liz | dinner..bbiab | 09:51 |
sivang | Liz: laterz | 09:51 |
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jeffsch | ok, I'm off to bed. cyall later. | 09:54 |
jsgotangco | night | 09:54 |
Liz | bbl | 09:57 |
jsgotangco | later people im going out | 11:12 |
froud-work | c ya | 11:12 |
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sivang | Has anyone seen enrico lately? | 03:03 |
Burgundavia | I think he showed up yesterday | 03:05 |
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sivang | Burgundavia: eh, I see, what's up? how's documentationg going? | 03:05 |
sivang | hey li | 03:05 |
Liz | hey sivang | 03:06 |
Liz | how are you? | 03:06 |
sivang | Liz: fine, busy , but cool :) | 03:06 |
sivang | Liz: are you going to attend UDU? | 03:06 |
Liz | udu? | 03:06 |
Liz | whats UDU? | 03:06 |
Burgundavia | UbuntuDownUnder | 03:07 |
Burgundavia | I wish I could be there | 03:07 |
Burgundavia | dammit | 03:07 |
Liz | oh yeah..its in sydney | 03:07 |
Liz | im waiting for the "where, time, how much" | 03:07 |
Liz | but so far, i havent seen anything | 03:08 |
Burgundavia | next week | 03:08 |
Burgundavia | free once you get there | 03:08 |
Burgundavia | as for location see the udu wiki | 03:08 |
Liz | ahhh..is that where it is | 03:13 |
Liz | they are having an installfest there as well | 03:13 |
Liz | i should volunteer | 03:13 |
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Liz | okjust signed up | 03:28 |
Liz | i dont think they realised that the 25th is anzac day down here | 03:29 |
Burgundavia | anzac day is a holiday no? | 03:32 |
Burgundavia | much like remembrance/veterans day? | 03:32 |
Liz | yes | 03:39 |
Liz | it shouldnt matter too much | 03:40 |
Liz | sigh..between classes and it taking me an hour to get up there | 03:46 |
Liz | its going to be a fun week | 03:46 |
Liz | and on that note | 03:46 |
Liz | im off to bed | 03:46 |
Liz | nite all | 03:46 |
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mdke | evenin claude | 08:40 |
claude | hi | 08:40 |
claude | much traffic these days on the list | 08:41 |
mdke | indeed | 08:41 |
mdke | lots of words | 08:41 |
mdke | lots of ideas too :) | 08:41 |
claude | when you're off 2 or 3 days, it takes a lot of times to get the train :) | 08:41 |
claude | yeah | 08:41 |
mdke | yeah i bet | 08:42 |
mdke | claude, gmane can be useful to follow threads | 08:42 |
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claude | for now i will be most an observer | 08:43 |
mdke | claude, we are working on a new method for translations: we hope to get some new translations into hoary (e.g. of quickguide through rosetta) | 08:43 |
mdke | i am doing a write up of what we hope to do this evening, and will post on the wiki/list | 08:43 |
claude | rosetta is still so bugged :( | 08:44 |
claude | what about integration into lang-pack ? | 08:44 |
mdke | not a chance ;) | 08:44 |
mdke | afaik the lang-packs are really centered around interfaces rather than documentation. but you could speak to pitti about it if you like | 08:44 |
claude | you talked with Carlos about it ? | 08:45 |
mdke | yes | 08:45 |
mdke | at length ;) | 08:45 |
claude | he he | 08:45 |
mdke | i'll try and finish the writeup tonight | 08:46 |
claude | i think that all documentation should be exempted of freezing | 08:47 |
claude | is it against debian rules ? | 08:47 |
mdke | well the main documentation has to be frozen really, or translation is difficult IMO | 08:47 |
mdke | claude, but I don't think translation documentation uploads will be a problem | 08:48 |
mdke | carlos thought they wouldn't be | 08:48 |
claude | hope so | 08:48 |
mdke | if we sort out the logistics, we'll contact mdz | 08:48 |
mdke | brb | 08:49 |
claude | k | 08:49 |
mdke | back | 09:00 |
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mdke | claude, have updated the l18n page, if there are any inclarities or inaccuracies please let me know | 10:05 |
claude | mdke: need to review, but i think all this is still too complicated | 10:23 |
mdke | claude, tell me more | 10:24 |
claude | about special characters, i did'nt use entities when translating in French | 10:25 |
claude | i left them in UTF-8 | 10:25 |
mdke | fine | 10:26 |
mdke | claude, what is too complicated? | 10:27 |
claude | mdke: not your explanations, but the entire process | 10:27 |
mdke | there is not much more we can simplify it | 10:28 |
claude | not sure about the "make po" or "make pot" | 10:28 |
claude | think the i18n.sh script all this stuff | 10:28 |
claude | must check with froud | 10:28 |
mdke | froud will have to check that, I know nothing about it | 10:28 |
claude | maybe there should be a document for translators | 10:30 |
claude | and another one for what happens "behind the scene" | 10:30 |
mdke | claude, to be honest, nothing on that page is for translators really, all they have to know is how rosetta works, and there are separate pages for that | 10:30 |
claude | k, maybe this should be more clear on that page | 10:32 |
mdke | yes you are probably right | 10:32 |
mdke | i'll add an introduction | 10:32 |
claude | unless we risk to frighten i18n (or l10n) volunteers | 10:32 |
mdke | yeah ok | 10:33 |
mdke | claude, added an introduction | 10:41 |
mdke | thanks for noticing that | 10:42 |
claude | great | 10:42 |
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