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[01:41] <ajmitch_> hi ogra
[01:42] <ogra> heya
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[01:51] <dholbach> hey
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[02:13] <zul> hola
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[03:07] <dholbach> bye guys
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[10:15] <\sh> morning
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[10:33] <dholbach> hey
=== \sh is listening to "Down Under" by "Men At Work"
[10:34] <ogra> hehe
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[10:34] <ogra> ogra too
[10:36] <\sh> phew...i'll tell you, to establish ubuntu on a server we have to do a lot of work
[10:37] <\sh> finally, do i need dbus and hald for a server?
[10:37] <Treenaks> \sh: need: no. want: yes.
[10:37] <\sh> dbos or hald?
[10:37] <Treenaks> both ;)
[10:39] <\sh> netstat -an|awk '$1~/^tcp$/&&$6~/^VERBUNDEN$/ { print $0} '
[10:39] <\sh> | wc -l ==> 160
[10:41] <\sh> jabberd2 is running nice
[10:42] <\sh> i packaged the proxy65 bytestream implementation (twisted source) and now I'm working on pyicq-t/pyaim-t/pymsn-t
[10:42] <\sh> and I will provide a package for MUC for jabberd2
[10:42] <\sh> because the actual package has a dep on jabberd1
[10:43] <\sh> and this gives problems with jabberd2
[10:56] <dholbach> see you later
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[12:07] <GheRivero> res
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[01:28] <koke> hi motus!
[01:28] <koke> I've packaged some perl modules at work, should I put them in NewPackages?
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[03:10] <susus> ogra: ping
[03:21] <ogra> susus, pong
[03:21] <susus> ;o))
[03:22] <Treenaks> ogra: jet-lagged? :P
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[03:23] <dholbach> hey
[03:23] <Treenaks> hey dholbach
[03:25] <dholbach> hey Treenaks
[03:25] <susus> hallo dr. D. ;o)
[03:25] <Treenaks> "dr D"?
[03:25] <dholbach> hahahaha, hallo susus
[03:26] <dholbach> susus: where's ogra? is he still alive?
[03:26] <dholbach> or sleeping in front of the tv or something?
[03:26] <ogra> Treenaks, not anymore, only broken feet from a lot of walking
[03:27] <susus> dholbach, Im talking to him ...
[03:27] <dholbach> susus: ok :-)
[03:27] <dholbach> ajmitch: here?
[03:27] <dholbach> tseng: here?
[03:27] <dholbach> koke_: here?
[03:27] <koke_> dholbach: yep
[03:27] <koke_> not for much time, though
[03:28] <ogra> dholbach, sure, still alive... the TV is to loud to fall asleep here
[03:28] <dholbach> koke_: when will you be "here"? :-)
[03:28] <dholbach> ogra: i can imagine, i will soon drop into bed
[03:29] <dholbach> ogra: in fact, i'm already lying here
[03:29] <koke_> if (here == ".au") { when = "Apr 24 05:55"; }
[03:30] <ogra> dholbach,  whish i were already, but will have another cigarette and then i'll join the room
[03:30] <dholbach> koke_: ahhhhhh ok
[03:31] <dholbach> ok
[03:31] <dholbach> koke_: will be nice to have you here :-)
[03:32] <ogra> koke_, so we should organize somehow, since there wil be not much time during the week to see sydne...
[03:32] <ogra> y
[03:32] <koke_> how's the weather in .au??
[03:32] <dholbach> today was bad
[03:32] <ogra> today it was a bit cloudy
[03:32] <ogra> wasnt bad...
[03:32] <koke_> ogra: yeah, I've promised to bring some photos here :)
[03:32] <dholbach> but still much warmer than in germany
[03:32] <dholbach> 25-26 degrees celsius on good days
[03:32] <koke_> dholbach: enough for short pants?
[03:32] <ogra> it rained the night and parts of the morning
[03:33] <dholbach> koke_: of course
[03:33] <koke_> grreat :D
[03:33] <dholbach> koke_: be sure to bring both
[03:33] <dholbach> wooohoooo
[03:34] <koke_> I hope to be able to do some first upload from there ;)
[03:34] <dholbach> hahahaha :-)
[03:34] <dholbach> i didnt manage yet :-)
[03:35] <dholbach> because our connection is too eff-ing slow
[03:35] <ogra> koke, the forecast for next week is sunny, but i doubt you willleave the hotel during the day
[03:35] <dholbach> it might break every moment
[03:36] <koke> ogra: I'll have to be a tourist at least one day :D
[03:36] <ogra> dholbach, as long as the film runs, the guy wont kill the line ;) its his dvd
[03:36] <ogra> koke, yep
[03:36] <dholbach> ogra: oh i see
[03:36] <ogra> at least 45 min to go
[03:37] <koke> well, 15:35 here and I'm with an empty stomach, have to go!
[03:37] <Treenaks> 15:37 < koke> well, 15:35 here and I'm with an empty stomach, have to go!
[03:38] <Treenaks> koke: you're lying :P
[03:38] <dholbach> i will be off to bed soon anyway (sleeping) :-)
[03:38] <Treenaks> dholbach: it's only 23:38
[03:39] <koke> Treenaks: usually I plug my connection after booting, so I have few ntp :D
[03:39] <Treenaks> koke: ntp should be mandatory
[03:39] <ogra> Treenaks, yeah and he wakes us all up at 5:30 in the morning... :(
[03:39] <Treenaks> ogra: urgh
[03:40] <koke> Treenaks: maybe it's place is on if-up.d instead of init.d :)
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[03:42] <dholbach> good night everyone
[03:42] <ogra> night dholbach
[03:44] <susus> bye dr. D.
[03:45] <dholbach> bye susus
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[04:23] <bddebian> Hey folks
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[05:04] <\sh> guys...
[05:04] <\sh> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/g/grubconf/
[05:05] <\sh> but if I do a apt-get source grubconf I can't get it
[05:07] <Burgundavia> stupid question, you have enabled universe source?
[05:08] <\sh> Burgundavia: yes :)
[05:08] <Burgundavia> ok
[05:08] <Burgundavia> just thought I would remove the stupid stuff first
[05:08] <Burgundavia> let me try
[05:09] <Burgundavia> http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=grubconf&searchon=names&subword=1&version=breezy&release=all
[05:09] <Burgundavia> no exist according to this
[05:09] <Burgundavia> so I suspect that the packages.gz doesn't have it
[05:11] <\sh> yeah...
[05:11] <\sh> so it's officially gone
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[05:24] <zyga> what is the resync cycle with regards to sid packages?
[05:25] <GheRivero> res
[05:42] <Burgundavia> zyga, constant and on auto right now
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[05:48] <zyga> Burgundavia: so freeciv 2.0 might be resynced any moment :> ?
[05:50] <Burgundavia> has it hit debian?
[05:51] <zyga> Burgundavia: I think so
[05:51] <zyga> Burgundavia: I've checked debian archives but I could not find sid archives
[05:51] <zyga> w8
[05:52] <zyga> Burgundavia: stable has old version
[05:53] <zyga> Burgundavia: it's in experimental
[05:53] <zyga> Burgundavia: does ubuntu sync experimental?
[05:57] <Burgundavia> should hit sid soon
[05:58] <Burgundavia> ubuntu syncs sid
[05:58] <zyga> Burgundavia: darn, more waiting :/
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[05:58] <zyga> Burgundavia: is it safe to install debian packages over ubuntu?
[05:59] <Burgundavia> might be
[05:59] <Burgundavia> I wouldn;t
[05:59] <Burgundavia> is going to hit breezy very soon
[05:59] <Burgundavia> you can wait a week for your crack
[06:00] <zyga> Burgundavia: does something major happen when packages are synced?
[06:00] <zyga> (apart from s/Debian/Ubuntu sed script ;-) ?
[06:00] <Burgundavia> it will get announced
[06:00] <Burgundavia> on breezy-changes
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[06:00] <zyga> Burgundavia: I was talking about packages themselves
[06:01] <Burgundavia> if you run breezy your packages will get updated
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[07:23] <herve> hello
[07:29] <trulux> jezz, where's tritium? :)
[07:31] <\sh> hy herve
[07:56] <tritium> trulux, I'm back :)
[07:58] <trulux> tritium: and tritium went back from the darkness and the shadows, to bring light and hope to this new movement of the Rebel force...
[07:58] <trulux> sorry of the redundancy
[07:58] <trulux> tritium: howya?
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[07:59] <tritium> trulux, :)  I'm fine, thanks.  YOu?
[07:59] <trulux> tritium: great, too busy with school :(
[07:59] <tritium> trulux, me too - I'll probably not be around as often for the next few months
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[08:01] <trulux> tritium: I hope I will get much more done in summer
[08:02] <trulux> but now, I'm about to take the school wimps back to drawing board until I finish this trimester, then I'll have free time to "waste"
[08:03] <tritium> I should be all done by end of July
[08:06] <\sh> *yawn*
[08:06] <herve> \sh, it's only 8!
[08:06] <\sh> herve: hey, I worked 11h :)
[08:06] <\sh> already :)
[08:07] <herve> heh, I worked hard too :-)
[08:07] <trulux> christ!
[08:08] <\sh> herve: :) finally i have to finish one package :( but today, I don't think I have the strength to do it..
[08:08] <herve> don't worry
[08:08] <herve> breezy is out in October :-)
[08:09] <\sh> herve: well...i don't think we will manage to create a nice ubuntu server solutions until october ;)
[08:10] <herve> we don't have to before this date :-)
[08:10] <herve> hoary remains the solution for production servers until then
[08:13] <\sh> herve: i was playing with the jabberd2 package...and I want to change the init.d scripts and tasks, cause it's not for virtualhosting of jabber2 sessions
[08:15] <herve> I guess it's a universe package?
[08:18] <\sh> think so
[08:18] <herve> I'd be interested in your patch a few days later
[08:22] <\sh> hmmwhy is apache2 not logging?
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[08:41] <tritium> trulux, did you need anything, or were you just curious where I've been
[08:41] <tritium> ?
[08:51] <trulux> tritium: just curious about you
[08:51] <tritium> trulux, I was in Arizona the past week
[08:51] <trulux> tritium: really? AFAIK it's a cool place
[08:52] <tritium> trulux, yep, the desert southwest is beautiful, and I saw a U2 concert
[08:52] <\sh> can it be, that apache2-2.0.53 and ubuntu have prpoblems with setenvif?
[08:53] <\sh> caus I can't get logging running with SetEnv enabled
[08:54] <trulux> tritium: U2? hah, I just like a few themes from them
[08:55] <tritium> I see
[08:56] <trulux> oops, anyone can give some time of debian packaging fu? I'm having the very last trobule before having the gcc-3.4-hardened package done
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[09:07] <\sh> and strike another bug
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[09:21] <AstralJava> herve: Did you solve that Dia problem yet?
[09:23] <herve> AstralJava, no
[09:23] <herve> there's a locale issue I'm not able of sorting out
[09:23] <AstralJava> Ahh, shoulda thought of that.
[09:23] <herve> AstralJava, I was about to tell you something when you left yesterday...
[09:23] <herve> ... but I forgot what :-)
[09:23] <AstralJava> Heh. :)
[09:24] <AstralJava> What's your locale then?
[09:24] <herve> fr_FR.UTF-8
[09:25] <AstralJava> Mine's fi_FI.UTF-8@euro
[09:26] <herve> what's the separator for decimals?
[09:26] <AstralJava> Uhh, forgot how to check that.
[09:27] <herve> I guess you know how to write decimals in Suomi (?) :-)
[09:28] <herve> anyway, here's the result in French: http://deb.oursours.net/motu/l10n.diff
[09:29] <AstralJava> Bhah. :) Can ya tell I'm slow?
[09:31] <AstralJava> It's .
[09:33] <AstralJava> So it means you need to set the decimal separator when exporting .ps files. Nasty.
[09:33] <AstralJava> Wonder how many locales have , by default?
[09:34] <herve> that's not the point
[09:34] <AstralJava> Oh?
[09:34] <herve> dia or the lib behind it shouldn't be affected by the locale
[09:34] <herve> or force C defaults
[09:35] <AstralJava> Yeah, I get that. So filed a bug report, did you? I just meant that in between, you should do that.
[09:35] <AstralJava> In no way is that acceptable, yes.
[09:36] <herve> I asked ubuntu-devel's opinion
[09:36] <herve> which has turned to have none for now :-)
[09:36] <AstralJava> Hehe. :)
[09:37] <AstralJava> Well, if I can be of further help, let me know okay?
[09:37] <herve> ok, thank you
[09:37] <AstralJava> And also if you recall what you meant to ask me in the first place. :)
[09:37] <herve> I think I just wanted to show you the difff
[09:37] <AstralJava> Alrighty then.
[09:37] <AstralJava> Gotta go catch some sleep now.
[09:38] <herve> good idea :-)
[09:38] <herve> see you later
[09:38] <AstralJava> I'll be on later, do you guys have a mailing list? Can't access irc at work.
[09:38] <herve> no
[09:38] <AstralJava> Hmm, too bad.
[09:39] <AstralJava> Well, see ya! G'night.
[09:39] <herve> night!
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[09:49] <herve> houba !
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[10:28] <\sh> houba?
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[10:44] <stazz> How wrong channel is this to ask for assistance in building my own .deb -packages?
[10:45] <herve> not so much wrong
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[11:10] <stazz> okay.. I saw some pbuild -guide on the wiki, is that the ultimate way to build pkgs?
[11:10] <stazz> or are they done the traditional debian way?
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[11:12] <ogra> stazz, pbuilder is the best way to do it
[11:12] <herve> hey ogra !
[11:12] <ogra> heeeeey herve :)
[11:12] <stazz> ogra: right.. do I need to create the.. the.. controlfiles manually?
[11:12] <schweeb> pbuilder is second only to having your own buildd :)
[11:12] <herve> stazz, the main benefit of pbuild is to detect missing build depends
[11:12] <stazz> herve: uhm.. when it's performing the configure, you say?
[11:13] <herve> ogra, long time not seen.. er, read!
[11:13] <ogra> schweeb, lol
[11:13] <\sh> evening ogra :)
[11:13] <ogra> herve, yeah, finally we sorted the wlan in the hostel...
[11:14] <ogra> morning \sh
[11:14] <herve> ogra, jet lag issues?
[11:14] <\sh> grmpf
[11:14] <stazz> uhm.. what about breezy? are the development repositories accessible somehow?
[11:15] <ogra> herve, i think i'm through now.... only the noise is an issue....our room goes to the big street and you cant sleep with closed window
[11:15] <herve> without?
[11:15] <herve> stazz, sure
[11:15] <herve> ogra, say hi to Daniel and the others
[11:16] <ogra> they are still upstairs...
[11:16] <stazz> herve: hmmh. spent the most part of the day reading through the wiki, do you have any links that'd prove themselves useful? :)
[11:16] <ogra> ah, wait
[11:16] <schweeb> I wish I could go to .au :(
[11:17] <schweeb> but, at least I'm gettin a new job... can try to go to the next conference, wherever/whenever it may be
[11:17] <\sh> stazz: whats your problem? you can start the debian way :)
[11:17] <herve> stazz, I don't get what you mean
[11:17] <stazz> herve: well, is there any information about breezy development and/or repository-links somewhere?
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[11:18] <herve> stazz, the repo is s/hoary/breezy in your sources.list
[11:18] <stazz> herve: oh, that simple..
[11:18] <herve> and our main dev concern for now is the gcc 4.0 transition
[11:19] <ajmitch> ogra: you're awake early today :)
[11:19] <stazz> gcc 4.0 sounds like a big leap.. considering 3.4 is already giving people a hard time..
[11:20] <schweeb> that's what I thought too, but apparently it's not a huge deal
[11:20] <herve> stazz, you get fear reading compile logs
[11:20] <ogra> ajmitch, its loud here
[11:20] <ajmitch> ah
[11:20] <schweeb> the bigger problem is crappily written c++ code, as I understand it
[11:21] <ogra> ajmitch, looking forward to the hotel next week
[11:21] <ajmitch> :)
[11:22] <herve> dia is not c++ but the code is sure rotten!
[11:23] <\sh> any sourcecode is rotten, if you didn't write it by yourself
[11:23] <ajmitch> herve: it may be beneficial to see if fedora cvs has any patches for programs that don't compile well
[11:23] <herve> ajmitch, sure
[11:23] <ajmitch> since FC4 is coming out with gcc 4.0 as well :)
[11:24] <herve> \sh, it's full of types mismatch, static functions vs "dynamic" calls, etc.
[11:24] <ajmitch> bbl
[11:24] <herve> night all
[11:25] <\sh> ajmitch: i think this is ian m. concern, that we have a better transition rate towards new software ;) did u read his blog?
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