[12:00] <b2s> dockane: sounds old enough that I wouldn't expect much problem, but I know for some things like aacraid drivers you need to install in expert mode to apt-get the drivers
[12:00] <thenuke> what again was the tool to install keymaps?
[12:01] <thenuke> want to get rid of UTF8
[12:01] <nickrud> dockane, did you ever get printing as you wanted it?
[12:01] <XplOzIon> when i mount a hdd it stays mounted after a system rebot?
[12:01] <jnk> XplOzIon, no, unless it's in /etc/fstab
[12:02] <XplOzIon> oh
[12:02] <dockane> nickrud, yes did it with the crowbar
[12:02] <nickrud> heh
[12:02] <thenuke> dpkg keymap something I guess :P
[12:02] <XplOzIon> jkn, time to read man fstab
[12:02] <MyKq3> okay ppl  i m off to bad
[12:02] <MyKq3> nighty night
[12:02] <matt_> ok what shud i use for a p2p
[12:02] <XplOzIon> night
[12:02] <dockane> nickrud, 2x 60 MB printjobs through lpt1 X)
[12:02] <djm62> what are the appropriate kernel headers in terms of uname?
[12:03] <jnk> XplOzIon, yeah :)
[12:03] <nickrud> dockane, that was the image size?
[12:03] <dockane> nickrud, no the image size what something above 100 mb
[12:03] <drspin> matt_: BitTorrent or GTK-Gnutella (IMHO)
[12:03] <dockane> b2s, thnx for the info. do you have any experience with intellistations from that generation ?
[12:04] <nickrud> dockane, no wonder you wanted something good
[12:05] <erik_> evening
[12:05] <XplOzIon> its really recomended to use firestarter?
[12:06] <dockane> nickrud, haven't tried to work with my nikon coolscan IV under linux yet (which will produce a lot of more data)
[12:06] <drspin> XplOzIon: as a general rule it's a good idea to have a firewall...
[12:07] <nickrud> dockane, you need 2x p3 1g, yup
[12:07] <XplOzIon> how do u stop the system default firewall service? (if theres one)
[12:07] <drspin> XplOzIon: there isn't one --
[12:08] <XplOzIon> thanks
[12:08] <jnk> it's not that usefull with a normal install IMHO
[12:08] <XplOzIon> i ask because fedora has one and because i am a noob and i dont plan to return to windows no more!!
[12:09] <LinuxJones> XplOzIon, good for you ;)
[12:09] <delire> well time for some Kurosawa. night all.
[12:10] <LinuxJones> XplOzIon, it takes a few months to get used to Linux but you will love it trust me
[12:10] <erik_> anyone that can suggest a good program to copy a dvd and then shrink it?
[12:11] <matt_> when i click it nothing hapens makes a click sound and nout happens help
[12:11] <stevenj> strange thing with firestarter tray icon though...its not transparent on some gnome panels
[12:11] <stevenj> lighter panels
[12:11] <mishof> I followed the instruction on ubuntuguide.com for setting the sound under gnome, and now esound on xmms doesnt work (it worked before) - any ideas?
[12:11] <matt_> thats aftr installing limewire
[12:11] <[Spooky] > erik_ copy the dvd to the hdd with "Vobcopy" then use "DVDShrink" with wine...
[12:12] <erik_> tryed installing DVDShrink, but it wouldnt
[12:12] <[Spooky] > erik_ ok maybe a bad wine conf then ?
[12:13] <jnk> mishof, what's the guide url?
[12:13] <erik_> maby, not shure how to configure it
[12:13] <[Spooky] > erik_ or try to get hold of the "dvdshrink.exe" file instead and just run it...
[12:14] <erik_> need to mount win partition then
[12:14] <mishof> jnk, http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#configuresoundproperly
[12:14] <[Spooky] > erik_ let me see if i can get it for you...
[12:14] <erik_> ok
[12:16] <flodine> why cant i install mplayer from the package manager
[12:16] <flodine> its therree
[12:16] <flodine> there
[12:16] <flodine> why
[12:16] <djm62> flodine: what processor are you on?
[12:17] <pixil9> apt-get install mplayer-custom ?
[12:17] <flodine> amd
[12:17] <b2s> flodine: 64 bit?
[12:17] <djm62> apt-get install mplayer-k6
[12:17] <flodine> no
[12:17] <flodine> 2600
[12:17] <djm62> d'oh...what b2s said
[12:17] <pixil9> wouldn't you use -586 or -686
[12:17] <pixil9> who the hell uses a k6 processor
[12:17] <b2s> flodine: oh, then should work fine
[12:17] <matt_> help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
[12:17] <matt_> java is the problem it wont install
[12:18] <flodine> what the pm
[12:18] <[Spooky] > erik_ im done shall i send it ?
[12:18] <pixil9> matt: just put the jre in /usr/java
[12:18] <pixil9> then go into lime sh runLime.sh
[12:18] <erik_> Sooky ok
[12:18] <jnk> mishof, well never done these things and sound works great... were you having some other problems before?
[12:18] <matt_> where i get jre
[12:19] <pixil9> matt: sec
[12:19] <matt_> ok
[12:19] <b2s> matt_: did you follow the directions on ubuntuguide?
[12:19] <matt_> yes
[12:19] <matt_> kept gettign error
[12:19] <pixil9> http://javashoplm.sun.com/ECom/docs/Welcome.jsp?StoreId=22&PartDetailId=j2re-1.4.2_08-oth-JPR&SiteId=JSC&TransactionId=noreg
[12:19] <pixil9> see if that works
[12:19] <erik_> Spooky it dont dl
[12:19] <pixil9> http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.4.2/download.html
[12:19] <pixil9> just go there
[12:19] <pixil9> make sure you get the JRE
[12:20] <matt_> E: Some packages could not be authenticated
[12:20] <pixil9> matt_, then goto Linux Platform.. self extracting file
[12:20] <flodine> a guys when i try to install mplayer it says......  Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21) but 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13 is to be installed
[12:20] <flodine> what does that mean
[12:20] <dazed> flodine - apt-get -f install
[12:21] <dazed> flodine: it means that you need other packages to install the one you want
[12:21] <matt_> then what
[12:21] <pixil9> you get the file?
[12:21] <matt_> yeah then what
[12:21] <pixil9> chmod u+x j2rewhatever
[12:21] <pixil9> ./j2rewhatever
[12:21] <[Spooky] > erik_ hm strange...
[12:21] <pixil9> it'll extract
[12:22] <erik_> yes
[12:22] <Atomsk> does anyone installed realplayer codecs for mplayer? is it just a matter of copying the libs in /usr/lib?
[12:22] <erik_> it might be cause of the way internet is set up
[12:22] <matt_> ok in english
[12:22] <matt_> please
[12:22] <matt_> whats whatever?
[12:23] <cavediver> Why is there dependency problems when installing mplayer with the marrilat repos ?
[12:23] <[Spooky] > erik_ its just 791 kb i can mail it to you if you want ?
[12:23] <tahorg> cavediver: because it's debian oriented ?
[12:23] <pixil9> matt: the filename
[12:23] <pixil9> matt: i don't feel like typing it ou
[12:23] <pixil9> t
[12:23] <cavediver> tahorg: ok.
[12:23] <matt_> with .bin or withoput
[12:23] <pixil9> with
[12:23] <erik_> Spooky when i try installing it, the setup windows come, but get access violation at adress 77EC25B8. Write of address 00730075
[12:24] <matt_> whats./jre2whatever?
[12:24] <cavediver> No mplayer for ubuntu that is ?
[12:24] <matt_> help
[12:24] <pixil9> matt: just chmod u+x <filename>
[12:24] <matt_> its on my desktop and the filename is
[12:24] <tahorg> evolution borked in breezy ?
[12:24] <flodine> why cant libc6 be installed
[12:24] <yahalom> cavediver: i installed mplayer through the fedora mplayer guide google it, works great
[12:24] <cavediver> My restart is borked in breezy :)
[12:24] <camcorder> coz fedora rocks
[12:25] <matt_> j2re-1_4_2_08-linux-i586.bin
[12:25] <cavediver> lucka I have both hoary and breezy on my comp
[12:25] <flodine> man mplayer getting me sick
[12:25] <b2s> bah, mplayer is overrated.  everything works for me with totem-xine or avifile-player
[12:25] <pixil9> matt: goto console
[12:25] <cavediver> I need mencoder only..
[12:25] <matt_> yeah
[12:26] <b2s> ah, I've not done much with encoding stuff.
[12:26] <matt_> then
[12:26] <tbird> what do yu all use for backing up
[12:26] <tahorg> cavediver: http://users.tkk.fi/~tajyrink/proj_info.html#mplayerubuntu
[12:26] <pixil9> cd Desktop
[12:26] <cavediver> I need to encode vob's to xvid
[12:26] <tbird> does that use cdrecord ?
[12:26] <matt_> yeah then
[12:26] <b2s> cavediver: aren't there any standalone programs that do that?
[12:26] <tahorg> cavediver: (I haven't tried it)
[12:26] <pixil9> chmod u+x j2re-1_4_2_08-linux-i586.bin , ./j2re-1_4_2_08-linux-i586.bin
[12:26] <pixil9> just do chmod first.
[12:26] <mmhg> anybody know how to release and renew a dhcp address?
[12:27] <cavediver> b2s: most uses mencoder and transcode
[12:27] <nickrud> pixil9, matt_ multiverse has java-package, it takes  the jre.bin and turns it into a deb
[12:27] <[Spooky] > cavediver maybe mencoder can do it for you
[12:27] <cavediver> mmhg: /etc/init.d/networking restart
[12:27] <matt_> chmod: cannot access `,': No such file or directory
[12:27] <matt_> help
[12:27] <tbird> java in ubuntu --> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-23592.html
[12:28] <tahorg> mmhg: from man dhclient "The  -r flag explicitly releases the current lease, and once the lease has been released, the client exits."
[12:28] <flodine> b2s i installed avi player but it opens then closes
[12:28] <matt_> nickrud:wher ei get that
[12:28] <flodine> when i try to play a movie
[12:28] <nickrud> matt_, used it debian
[12:28] <mmhg> tahorg:  tried that, it renewed to the same ip addr
[12:28] <matt_> huh
[12:29] <b2s> flodine: might need some extra codec for that one.  know what sort of movie it is?
[12:29] <tahorg> mmhg: change your mac addr :)
[12:29] <tahorg> (and ask for an other ip)
[12:29] <matt_> help
[12:29] <mmhg> tahorg:  that worked, but I had hoped for a less devious method
[12:29] <nickrud> matt_, tbird gave you a great link
[12:29] <b2s> flodine: if you do 'dpkg -l avifile\*' you'll see what plugins there are
[12:29] <pixil9> E: Package fakeroot has no installation candidate
[12:29] <pixil9> why would it say that?
[12:30] <jnk> if marillat's mplayer doesn't work, compiling your own package is *really* easy!
[12:30] <tahorg> mmhg: it depends on the server conf
[12:30] <mmhg> tahorg: how so/
[12:30] <mmhg> ?
[12:30] <tahorg> mmhg: you can ask him to remember the mac-ip relation
[12:30] <b2s> flodine: alternately, you can search synaptic for avifile or for divx (in the description) to come up with lots of codecs and such
[12:30] <nickrud> pixil9, I've got it installed, from main
[12:30] <mmhg> tahorg:  ahh...   didn't know that
[12:30] <mmhg> tahorg:  thanks
[12:30] <flodine> thxs
[12:30] <tahorg> mmhg: IIRC there is an option like that in dhcpd
[12:31] <mmhg> tahorg:  didn't see dhcpcd running on my sys - is it a default ubuntu daemon?
[12:31] <kakalto> mmhg, I think so
[12:32] <tahorg> mmhg: 'what' gives you the lease ?
[12:32] <tahorg> mmhg: a router ?
[12:32] <mjr> mmhg, dhclient3 seems to be the default used
[12:32] <pixil9> How the heck does this java-package work
[12:32] <tahorg> mmhg: I was talking about the server side
[12:32] <[Spooky] > anyone here that have done a offline install of k3b ?
[12:33] <mmhg> tahorg, mjr, kakalto:  I'm using dhclient,  server side it's coming off a university server.  Don't know the exact configuration
[12:33] <tahorg> mmhg: dhcpd is the server, dhclient ... well, obvious ;)
[12:33] <nickrud> pixil9, http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-23592.html
[12:33] <mmhg> tahorg:  I used to run gentoo which used dhcpcd - dhclient was new to me
[12:34] <tahorg> mmhg: pump is a good option too
[12:35] <mmhg> tahorg:  that's not a default ubuntu toy either - looks like I may have to do some downloading
[12:35] <[Spooky] > well im off to bed bbl
[12:36] <pixil9> nickrud: thx
[12:36] <flodine> b2s im missing and avifile-sample
[12:36] <nickrud> np
[12:37] <flodine> do you have that
[12:37] <b2s> all I've got (for avifile) is avifile-player
[12:37] <mdke> is it possible for me to mount 2 root directories (e.g. /media and /usr) on the same partition? how can I do it? thanks
[12:37] <b2s> its really my secondary for when totem-xine has some problem
[12:38] <abarbaccia> hey all - anybody have any success with bluetooth?
[12:39] <pixil9> nickrud: thx that works good
[12:40] <nickrud> pixil9, and if you ever want to remove it, you can :)
[12:40] <pixil9> nickrud: ya
[12:40] <flodine> b2s i got it work but no sound
[12:40] <limer> I assume that there shouldn't be problems with read/write capability for ntfs.  ?
[12:41] <jnk> limer, you cannot write on ntfs
[12:41] <jnk> (or very limited, or with the windows dll)
[12:41] <limer> alright, but mount shows rw
[12:41] <b2s> flodine: that's happened to me before, again usually because I'm missing a codec (an audio codec)
[12:41] <flodine> ok
[12:41] <tbird> i thought that was the point of captive-ntfs
[12:42] <jnk> tbird, that one uses the windows driver doesn't it'
[12:42] <pixil9> anyone got limewire pro for linux?
[12:42] <limer> I don't want to write to it if ntfs isn't considered supported at that level
[12:42] <tbird> yeah the dlls
[12:42] <jnk> pixil9, I don't think it's free software
[12:42] <pixil9> jnk: oh.
[12:42] <pixil9> jnk: that's okay.
[12:43] <tbird> limewire pro always  ran slower than regular limewire for me
[12:43] <pixil9> tbird: does the regular have spyware and shit
[12:43] <tbird> pixil9, all p2p sucks like that
[12:43] <tbird> imo
[12:44] <darkaudit> pixil9: why not use giFT?
[12:44] <mmhg> jnk how did you get mldonkey to work?  I can't even select a network
[12:44] <tbird> apollon is nice
[12:44] <darkaudit> tbird: concur... using it now :)
[12:44] <jnk> mmhg, I added one or two servers, then it found a ton by itself
[12:44] <pixil9> what is giFT
[12:44] <cens0red> wine + winmx is a pretty good combintaion too.
[12:44] <tbird> i like how apollon uses the diff networks
[12:45] <jnk> mmhg, ah no the last time I imported a server.met file (emule server list). There's a command for that
[12:45] <cens0red> tbird diff networks?
[12:45] <Xenguy> cens0red: we don't really need winmx, do we? :p
[12:45] <mmhg> jnk how do I do that?
[12:45] <tbird> yeah
[12:45] <darkaudit> pixil9: open source p2p...
[12:45] <cens0red> Xenguy we don't?
[12:45] <pixil9> darkaudit, does it use limewires system?
[12:45] <Xenguy> cens0red: no, we don't :-)
[12:45] <cmonopoly72> Can anyone help me find how to make Windows the default partition?
[12:45] <darkaudit> pixil9: uses plugins for gnutella, openft, fasttrack, ares, and more
[12:46] <cens0red> Xenguy what other way is there to connect to the wnp2p protocol?
[12:46] <mmhg> jnk it wants a network (no choices in the dropdown) and an ip:port
[12:46] <jnk> mmhg, 2 sec
[12:46] <Xenguy> cens0red: *sigh* unless I misunderstand, you are suggesting we need wind0ze software to do P2P - if yes, ummm, no :-)
[12:47] <b2s> Xenguy: he's asking about a specific network/protocol
[12:47] <Xenguy> b2s: ahh
[12:47] <pixil9> pixil9@sarjeet:~$ giftui
[12:47] <pixil9> giftui : No host to connect /apps/giftui/daemon/host.
[12:47] <cens0red> Xenguy actually I was suggesting we need Frontcode software to use frontcode's wnpnp (spl?) protocol. The fact that Frontcode. The fact that Frontcode only makes a client for windows, is a side issue.
[12:47] <Xenguy> b2s: didn't read far enough up-buffer I guess
[12:48] <Xenguy> cens0red: OK, I stand corrected; I misinterpreted your comment
[12:48] <cens0red> Xenguy but that aside, giFt is fairly decent too.
[12:48] <darkaudit> pixil9: you need giftd, and will then need to run gift-setup
[12:49] <jnk> mmhg, if you connect to mldonkey through telnet, there's a "servers" command you can use, for example "servers /some/directory/server.met"
[12:49] <pixil9> darkaudit, okay thanks
[12:49] <darkaudit> pixil9: as said before, Apollon is a primo giFT client :)
[12:50] <darkaudit> hmm... mall time
[12:50] <mmhg> jnk thanks
[12:50] <cmonopoly72> (seeking help) How to make Windows the default partition?
[12:51] <jnk> cmonopoly72, you mean how to make windows boot by default?
[12:51] <cmonopoly72> yes
[12:52] <jnk> cmonopoly72, do you have a boot menu where you can choose between windows and ubuntu?
[12:52] <cmonopoly72> yes
[12:52] <jnk> so you want the windows option to be default
[12:52] <cmonopoly72> yes
[12:53] <jnk> windows is the first?
[12:53] <jnk> in the menu
[12:53] <cmonopoly72> No, right now Ubuntu is default.
[12:53] <jnk> cmonopoly72, yes but in the order in the list, what is the position of windows, and the position of ubuntu=
[12:53] <jnk> ?
[12:53] <cmonopoly72> Last.
[12:53] <jago> hello
[12:54] <jnk> cmonopoly72, I need numbers :)
[12:54] <cmonopoly72> Oh ok
[12:54] <hobocop> sup
[12:54] <cmonopoly72> Ubuntu 5.0*
[12:54] <cmonopoly72> Then
[12:54] <jago> hello can any one help me?
[12:54] <cens0red> it's all in the /boot/grub/menu.lst
[12:55] <cmonopoly72> Ubuntu safe mode I think
[12:55] <jnk> jago, ask, don't ask to ask
[12:55] <dockane> what do i have to do to get more than 5 fps from tuxracer ?
[12:55] <cmonopoly72> Then WindowsXP under "other os"
[12:56] <jnk> cmonopoly72, Ok so I assume Windows is in the third position. Edit your file /boot/grub/menu.lst    and change "default 0" or something like that to "default 2"  .  (2 because grub counts from 0 so the third line is number 2)
[12:56] <jnk> cmonopoly72,  you can check at the end of menu.lst  whether windows is indeed the third block
[12:56] <PacoBCN> dockane, hardware aceleration?
[12:56] <cmonopoly72> Thanks a lot, greatly appreciated.
[12:57] <jago> i installed kubuntu on my machine and when it trys to load kdm it refuses and only lets me use the prompt.  i was forced to reload knoppix to use my machine
[12:57] <dockane> PacoBCN, any hint where to check that ? what is necessary ?
[12:57] <jnk> dockane, what's your graphic card?
[12:57] <PacoBCN> dockane, what video card do you have?
[12:58] <dockane> jnk, PacoBCN : asus v7700 deluxe / gpu : geforce 2 gts
[12:58] <PacoBCN> dockane, ok, geforce2 means you have an nVidia video card
[12:59] <PacoBCN> dockane, what you have to do then is pretty simple
[12:59] <dockane> PacoBCN, i followed ubuntuguide.org
[12:59] <PacoBCN> dockane, really?
[12:59] <nickrud> jago, ask on #kubuntu, the know kde better
[01:00] <nickrud> they
[01:00] <PacoBCN> dockane, then you should already have hw
[01:00] <jago> thank you
[01:00] <nickrud> np
[01:00] <Markrian> jago, I imagine XOrg isn't set up correctly
[01:00] <PacoBCN> dockane, what do you see if at command prompt you type "glxgears"?
[01:00] <dockane> PacoBCN, the tiny application from ndvidia is in the application list. not more, not less.
[01:01] <dockane> PacoBCN, wow =)
[01:01] <PacoBCN> dockane, you see the gears?
[01:01] <dockane> PacoBCN, 3 gears running rapidly
[01:01] <dockane> PacoBCN, yes
[01:01] <PacoBCN> dockane, then you should be able to run games with HW acc.
[01:02] <CB201> hey...can someone help me figure out how to mount my CD-ROM drive?
[01:02] <abarbaccia> PacoBCN, whats the name of the command to get the gears to show up
[01:02] <PacoBCN> I never ran tuxracer so I couldn't tell you what's the biz with it
[01:02] <PacoBCN> abarbaccia, glxgears
[01:02] <dockane> PacoBCN, ah ok thnx
[01:02] <nickrud> dockane, in the terminal, whats the fps
[01:03] <PacoBCN> abarbaccia, glxinfo gives you info about your graphic card settings
[01:03] <Tuxicity> CB201: mount -t auto /dev/cdrom /media/cdrom (something like that)
[01:03] <CB201> Tuxicity, I know that part
[01:03] <abarbaccia> PacoBCN, yea, i was makings sure my damn ATI card had HW acceleration - 420 fps :)
[01:03] <qwe> howdy howdy, anybody here installed ubuntu on a beige g3 powermac?
[01:03] <PacoBCN> (dammit, it's all 'bout the pope in TV...)
[01:03] <nickrud> I don't have hardware accell, and I get 80
[01:04] <macdan> hi
[01:04] <abarbaccia> well, 420 is much nicer than 80
[01:04] <PacoBCN> abarbaccia, 420 fps?
[01:04] <abarbaccia> yep
[01:04] <CB201> Tuxicity, but when I try to mount it I get the following error: "wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdd, or other error"
[01:04] <macdan> i have Ubuntu installed and first impressions is that it seems very nice :)
[01:04] <PacoBCN> abarbaccia, that not much :S
[01:04] <PacoBCN> abarbaccia, it's nothing, actually
[01:04] <macdan> one question, but of a simple one, but i don't know
[01:04] <macdan> i want the PHP-MySQL module
[01:04] <abarbaccia> PacoBCN, no? what should it be for an ATI 9800 xt
[01:04] <PacoBCN> I'm having around 2700 fps
[01:04] <abarbaccia> okay - maybei  dont have HW acceleration then...hurmm
[01:04] <macdan> i downloaded a .deb from Ubuntu site, how do I install it?
[01:05] <CB201> I have a suspicion that my /dev/hdd (my entire hard drive) it completely blocked, even to superuser
[01:05] <PacoBCN> abarbaccia, oh, I don't know but I guess it has to be more anyway
[01:05] <qwe> macdan: dpkg -i pkgname
[01:05] <CB201> but I don't know how to change it
[01:05] <flodine> why does mplayer need these packs ......Depends: libavcodeccvs but it is not going to be installed
[01:05] <flodine>   Depends: libc6 (>=2.3.2.ds1-21) but 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13 is to be installed
[01:05] <flodine>   Depends: libfontconfig1 (>=2.3.0) but 2.2.3-4ubuntu7 is to be installed
[01:05] <flodine>  Depends: libpostproc0 but it is not going to be installed
[01:05] <flodine>   Depends: libvorbis0a (>=1.1.0) but 1.0.1-1 is to be installed
[01:05] <flodine>   Depends: xmms (>=1.2.10+cvs20050209) but 1.2.10-2ubuntu1 is to be installed
[01:05] <abarbaccia> stop the flood
[01:05] <chado> does anyone here use wmaker with ubuntu?
[01:05] <flodine> why dont the package man have them
[01:05] <qwe> well, his name is appropriate
[01:05] <chado> im having some problems getting it to run
[01:05] <nickrud> flodine, where are you getting mplayer from?
[01:05] <PacoBCN> abarbaccia, you can check it with glxinfo
[01:06] <dockane> tux racer is unplayable :(
[01:06] <cens0red> I had that problem.
[01:06] <flodine> synaptic
[01:06] <flodine> is that wrong
[01:06] <cens0red> dockane what vid drivers?
[01:06] <flodine> well
[01:06] <CB201> flodine...install the lib files
[01:06] <CB201> you need them
[01:06] <nickrud> dockane do glxinfo | grep "direct rendering"
[01:07] <dockane> cens0red, i followed the advices from ubuntuguide.org for nvidia cards (got a gts2)
[01:07] <flodine> there already installed
[01:07] <nickrud> flodine, I mean from marillat or multiverse
[01:07] <GammaRay> apt-get dist-upgrade -f && shutdown -h now
[01:07] <abarbaccia> hey, can anybody help me with bluetooth - i have it detecting my phone, but i can't get it to transfer anything
[01:07] <CB201> flodine, are you sure? try again
[01:07] <dockane> nickrud, it says no
[01:07] <flodine> is that from apt
[01:07] <cens0red> flodine had the same problem. Try this at the console: $sudo apt-get install  mplayer-586=1:1.0-pre6-0.3ubuntu6
[01:07] <jnk> abarbaccia, what kind of phone is it?
[01:08] <nickrud> dockane, http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:08] <macdan> qwe: it says it needs "php4-universe-common" which is not installed, i searched for it but it wasn't there, ideas?
[01:08] <GammaRay> will a dist-upgrade download everything and then install or will it go a few at a time?
[01:09] <ricardo_> how to install opera ? i 've already downloaded the package ***.deb
[01:09] <dockane> nickrud, but glxgear works
[01:09] <Tuxicity> Hi. The "Hoary Install CD" freezes on "boot: " prompt. I have a USB keyboard. Warty freezes too.
[01:09] <CB201> how do I undo a superblock on /hdd ?
[01:09] <flodine> ok got it installed do i need anything else for mplayer
[01:09] <GammaRay> ricardo_: sudo dpkg -i opera*.deb
[01:09] <jnk> GammaRay, almost everything.
[01:09] <dockane> nickrud, thats pretty much what ubuntuguide.org says and what i did
[01:09] <nickrud> dockane, it does here on my lowly voodoo3, which won't accel in 24bit, but which I use for the prettier colors
[01:10] <cens0red> flodine mplayer-fonts is kind of handy. Especially if you want to be able to see subtitles.
[01:10] <jnk> CB201, I think you can restore a backup or clean it to zeroes with dd
[01:10] <flodine> how do i get that
[01:10] <nickrud> dockane, xorg is just using sofware mesgl, which is slow
[01:10] <nickrud> *mesagl
[01:11] <cens0red> by installing it, with apt-get
[01:11] <ricardo_> GammaRay , i've done that andobtained two more packages control.tar.gz&data.tar.gz
[01:11] <ricardo_> so?
[01:11] <CB201> jnk, I don't have a backup.  I've never actually blocked it.  I just tried to mount my CD-ROM drive and I get a "bad superblock on /dev/hdd" error
[01:11] <dockane> nickrud, ok i ll try to reconfigure with that dpkg command
[01:11] <erik_> exit
[01:12] <flodine> ok now mplayer wont start my movies there avis
[01:12] <nickrud> dockane, I don't use those cards, so I can only point :)
[01:12] <flodine> wow
[01:12] <CB201> jnk, this is the first time I've tried to mount a CD drive
[01:12] <GammaRay> ricardo_: what's the full name of the deb?
[01:12] <flodine> mplayer keeps locing up
[01:12] <flodine> whats up
[01:12] <Tuxicity> CB201: is it a CD-ROM drive or HDD?
[01:13] <ricardo_> wait...opera_8.0-20050415.5-shared-qt_en_sarge-i386.deb
[01:13] <flodine> anyone have that problem with mplayer
[01:13] <CB201> Tuxicity, it is the CD-ROM drive
[01:13] <flodine> help me god Da...............
[01:13] <flodine> lol
[01:14] <flodine> i dont understand this
[01:14] <nickrud> flodine, do you have win32codecs installed?
[01:14] <jnk> CB201, the superblock is some data at the beginning of a partition
[01:14] <nickrud> flodine, never mind
[01:14] <jnk> CB201, what should happen is: you insert the CD, ubuntu finds it
[01:15] <jnk> so it doesn't work?
[01:15] <Tuxicity> CB201: it says bad fs type, so did you try specifying the fs type (-t iso9660) ?
[01:15] <GammaRay> ricardo_: and no /usr/bin/opera was installed?
[01:16] <ricardo_> GammaRay, let's see...
[01:16] <Tuxicity> CB201: and BTW, is there a disc in the drive, lol??
[01:16] <macdan> why is the PHP-MySQL package not mentioned in the Synaptic Package Manager?
[01:16] <CB201> jnk, no it doesn't work
[01:16] <flodine> yes
[01:17] <CB201> Tuxicity, I'll try that...and yes there is a disk in there ;-)
[01:17] <dockane> nickrud,  the wiki does not help me because "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" returns "is not installed"
[01:17] <CB201> ls
[01:17] <CB201> oops, wrong window
[01:17] <djm62> dockane: what about xserver-xorg?
[01:17] <nickrud> dockane, xserver-xorg
[01:17] <ricardo_> yes i've "untared" somefile and obtained a file called opera in usr/bin
[01:17] <dockane> ah ok
[01:17] <Levander> What's the dpkg option to list the "information" about a package you have installed?  I'm looking for the one that prints out the little blurb that describes the package.
[01:17] <jnk> CB201, it's a regular cdrom ? (not dvd, audio cd, ... ?)
[01:17] <nickrud> Levander, apt-cache show
[01:18] <dockane> i am no choosing x driver manually : is nv = nvida
[01:18] <dockane> ?
[01:18] <jnk> nv = open source nvidia
[01:18] <flodine> can nyone please help me with mplayer
[01:18] <flodine> anyone
[01:19] <CB201> jnk, it's actually an audio CD
[01:19] <TestDummy> Er..
[01:19] <jnk> flodine, try "mplayer -ao esd  some-file..."
[01:19] <Tuxicity> CB201: you do not need to mount audio CDs
[01:19] <jnk> CB201, you cannot "mount" an audio cd
[01:19] <TestDummy> The installer keeps on saying I'm using a non-Ubuntu cd when it's the exact same one I was using to install it with..
[01:19] <CB201> jnk...then how do I access files on my audio CD?
[01:19] <Tuxicity> CB201: just open it in XMMs or Beep Media player or other CD/audio player
[01:20] <tbird> anyone having Errors were encountered while processing:
[01:20] <tbird>  fontconfig
[01:20] <tbird> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[01:20] <jnk> CB201, layout on an audio cd is completely different to data cds. You just run a cd player, it accesses the drive directly
[01:20] <TestDummy> Then it proceeds to try and download 350+MB of stuff it could get off the cd it's saying isn't the right now
[01:20] <TestDummy> one*
[01:20] <Tuxicity> CB201: or, if you want the audio tracks as files, rip it
[01:21] <limer> I installed privoxy via synaptic and when I try to run it from the terminal:   Fatal error: can't check configuration file '/home/limer/config':  No such file or directory
[01:21] <crazydeb8r> I have a very dumb question: After I've installed a program, if it doesn't show up in the menu, how do I figure out what the command to run it is?
[01:22] <TestDummy> Try typing out the name of it??
[01:22] <crazydeb8r> didn't work
[01:22] <flodine> ok............root@linux:/home/flodine # mplayer -ao esd  some-file..MPlayer 1.0pre6-3.3.5 (C) 2000-2004 MPlayer TeamCPU: Advanced Micro Devices Athlon MP/XP Thoroughbred (Family: 6, Stepping: 1)Detected cache-line size is 64 bytesMMX2 supported but disabled3DNow supported but disabled3DNowExt supported but disabledCPUflags:  MMX: 1 MMX2: 0 3DNow: 0 3DNow2: 0 SSE: 1 SSE2: 0Compiled for x86 CPU with extensions: MMX SSE
[01:22] <autochthon> night all
[01:22] <Levander> nickrud: thanks, worked like a charm!
[01:22] <dockane> should i enable kernel-framebuffer ?
[01:22] <flodine> sorry about the mess
[01:22] <TestDummy> crazydeb8r: What's the program?
[01:22] <helix_> i have trouble with my screen resolution
[01:22] <Tuxicity> crazydeb8r: in Synaptic, check the "Installed files" tab and search for files in /usr/bin
[01:22] <nickrud> Levander, apt-cache search is also nice :)
[01:22] <crazydeb8r> Tuxicity: I'll try that
[01:22] <jnk> flodine, pv
[01:23] <helix_> i already edited xorg.conf several times...but i keep getting the same resolution
[01:23] <helix_> even when i change the resolution part
[01:23] <Tuxicity> crazydeb8r: I mean in the Properties of the package in question, there's a tab called "Installed Files"
[01:23] <nickrud> helix_, look in /var/log/Xorg.0.log for lines with 'Default mode' it should give you some more info
[01:24] <Tuxicity> crazydeb8r: otherwise, try searching for the program with the command "locate"
[01:24] <TestDummy> Er, yeah. Any idea why the installer is saying I'm giving it the wrong cd when it's the same one it's used for half the install?
[01:25] <crazydeb8r> Tuxicity: thanks
[01:25] <Tuxicity> crazydeb8r: np
[01:25] <nickrud> crazydeb8r, a good shortcut is dpkg -L <packagename> | grep bin
[01:26] <Tuxicity> nickrud: ya, quicker;)
[01:26] <Tuxicity> Has anyone been able to install Hoary with a USB keyboard attached ?
[01:26] <TestDummy> I'm trying to
[01:26] <TestDummy> It works...
[01:26] <Tuxicity> TestDummy: huh?
[01:26] <TestDummy> But mine stalls and says I'm using the wrong disc
[01:27] <WhiteRabbit> Tuxicity, did you disable usb legacy support in the bios
[01:27] <TestDummy> (Er, the installer seems to work fine for me with USB devices)
[01:27] <helix_> i got mod 1280x1204 but i still get a lower resolution
[01:27] <WhiteRabbit> Tuxicity, I disabled pnp aware os & usb legacy support in my bios for just such problems in the past.
[01:27] <flipy> is there any way to disable esd?
[01:28] <Tuxicity> flipy: killall -9 esd
[01:28] <Markrian> flipy, yes: System->Preferences->Sound and then uncheck "Start sound server at startup"
[01:29] <abarbaccia> hey, i fixed the ati driver thing - i got my hardware accceleration now: glxgears = 5k+
[01:29] <Tuxicity> flipy: Markrian's advice is better
[01:29] <helix_> i dont know what could be wrong if X is reading from xorg.conf and my resolution mod there is 1280x1204 but still reads anotherone
[01:29] <underdog> 'Evening all :)
[01:29] <WhiteRabbit> no fear for!
[01:29] <Markrian> flipy, but esd is useful unless you've got either ALSA set up nicely, or have an SB Live or Audigy
[01:30] <LinuxJones> helix_, you upgraded from Warty ?
[01:30] <helix_> i am in hoary
[01:30] <helix_> and i didnt upgrded
[01:30] <Tuxicity> WhiteRabbit: very interesting... i'll try that
[01:30] <dockane> no nvidia logo / still 5 fps in tuxracer
[01:31] <jnk> helix_, can you choose the one you want through gnome-display-properties ?
[01:31] <LinuxJones> helix_, check your screenresolution settings under System >> Preferences
[01:31] <helix_> jnk: i do..but i still get just one choice after adding several to xorg.conf
[01:31] <SysFail> than it must not be reading that file
[01:31] <helix_> i even did dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[01:31] <jnk> helix_, it may be a problem with the video card driver
[01:32] <WhiteRabbit> TestDummy, have you checked the md5sum on the iso & burn't disc before the install?
[01:32] <flipy> I've alsa up and running
[01:32] <TestDummy> I don't even know how to check md5 sums
[01:32] <CB201> hey
[01:32] <helix_> this really sucks
[01:32] <flipy> so I think it's no need to use esd
[01:32] <CB201> new problem
[01:32] <WhiteRabbit> TestDummy, you in linux or windows now?
[01:32] <nickrud> helix_, is the screen refresh rate stuck at 60?
[01:32] <helix_> nickrud: 75
[01:32] <CB201> XMMS won't detect my audio CD
[01:32] <jnk> flipy, alsa allows for several programs to use sound at the same time
[01:32] <jnk> esd that is
[01:33] <TestDummy> I could check it I guess, but how?
[01:33] <abarbaccia> anybody use gmailfs in ubuntu?
[01:33] <nickrud> helix_, what kind of card?
[01:33] <WhiteRabbit> TestDummy, are you in linux atm?
[01:33] <CB201> actually...which directory should the audio CD be in to find?
[01:33] <TestDummy> Nope
[01:33] <flipy> I think alsa it's better for sound deamons, because it is supported by the kernel
[01:33] <TestDummy> I would be if it installed, but I'm in Windows
[01:33] <WhiteRabbit> abarbaccia, its nice to use
[01:33] <flipy> I'd like to turn off OSS and ESD,and just use alsa
[01:33] <helix_> nickrud: i810
[01:33] <nickrud> helix_, you need to add a memory line to your config, wait one
[01:33] <WhiteRabbit> TestDummy, md5summer @ http://www.md5summer.org/
[01:34] <WhiteRabbit> TestDummy, http://us.releases.ubuntu.com/releases/5.04/MD5SUMS to match
[01:35] <WhiteRabbit> TestDummy, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Md5sum
[01:35] <underdog> Guys... what's ubuntu's "position", let's say, about the ATI drivers? I have to go through a lot of work in installing them on debian
[01:36] <WhiteRabbit> underdog, its rather what is ati "position" on linuix >  .  <
[01:36] <nickrud> helix_, add a line VideoRam to the Device section. how much memory do you have
[01:36] <helix_> nickrud: i have 256
[01:36] <kakalto> I thought GTK was GNOME ToolKit, but it's GIMP ToolKit?
[01:36] <Juhaz> kakalto, it's both
[01:36] <helix_> kakalto: its both
[01:36] <pantz> i have a large 'share' partition formatted ext3 - anyone know what options i need to pass to have a rw access for a particular group (id=100) ?
[01:37] <nickrud> helix_, ok VideoRam 32768
[01:37] <pantz> i want to share it between ubuntu on hda1 and kubuntu on hda3
[01:37] <kakalto> why does gtk.org say Gimp TK, instead of Gnome TK?
[01:37] <helix_> nickrud: under what line
[01:37] <stevenj> ok does anyone use gwget2 and fireget...for some unknown reason gwget2 is not .90 version in Synaptic; however there is a deb package on the gwget2 site....can someone tell me what to do because apparently fireget is not working with .7 version of gwget2
[01:37] <nickrud> that'll give you 32M, which should get you more resolutions.
[01:37] <camcorder> kaklto: it's gimp toolkit
[01:37] <camcorder> kakalto even
[01:37] <nickrud> the Section Device, right below where it says i810
[01:38] <TestDummy> Blah
[01:38] <TestDummy> WhiteRabbit: They don't match
[01:38] <Juhaz> underdog, fglrx drivers don't come on installation cd's, but it is easy to install them from internet
[01:38] <TestDummy> That sucks :|
[01:38] <pantz> this line in fstab - dev/hda2       /media/share    ext3    defaults        0       2 - only gives root rw access
[01:38] <WhiteRabbit> TestDummy, Ok you can fix it really easyly ever used rsync?
[01:38] <camcorder> kakalto: but it's nothing to do w/ gimp. it used to do though .
[01:38] <TestDummy> Nope
[01:39] <WhiteRabbit> TestDummy, you can use rsync to fix the iso to be perfect
[01:39] <TestDummy> Okay..
[01:39] <stevenj> anyone know if I can safely install this? --- http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/gwget/gwget-0.93_0.93-1_i386.deb  thanks!
[01:39] <WhiteRabbit> instead of redownloading
[01:39] <nickrud> pantz, did you ever find out about your wierd mount problem?
[01:40] <helix_> damn..it same resolution
[01:40] <pantz> nickrud, yeah i booted the live cd and ran fsck with the badblocks option (-c) it found my dodgy /etc/mtab file and fixed it - rebooted into ubuntu and here i am without any problem :)))
[01:40] <nickrud> it's nice to have nice tools :)
[01:41] <flipy> if I mount the windows partition, update-grub will not see it anymore, and I have to edit the menu.lst every time
[01:41] <flipy> is there any way to solve that?
[01:41] <pantz> yes it is - and its nice to know about them :)
[01:41] <mishof> Q: some guide tells me to edit /etc/modeprobe.conf but i dont seem to have it ... (???)
[01:41] <nickrud> helix_, if you want, you could put xorg.conf and Xorg.0.log on pastebin.com & I look
[01:41] <thechitowncubs> Hey
[01:41] <CB201> I can't mount my audio CD in XMMS
[01:41] <thechitowncubs> I want to start laptop-mode at boot
[01:41] <thechitowncubs> what should I put in the command field of the sessions options?
[01:42] <CB201> I tried using the Audio Cd player plugin
[01:42] <CB201> with no success
[01:42] <thechitowncubs> this is how i start it in the terminal: sudo laptop-mode start, so what should I put in the sessions command field?
[01:42] <WhiteRabbit> TestDummy, you wanna use rsync or redownload?
[01:42] <TestDummy> I don't feel like redownloading it
[01:43] <jnk> CB201, try gnome-cd
[01:43] <CB201> can any ubuntu/XMMS users out there tell me which directory I should put under Device in the CD plugin
[01:43] <helix_> under Driver "i810"
[01:43] <nickrud> helix_, yes
[01:43] <helix_> futch
[01:43] <nickrud> :)
[01:43] <PacoBCN> And right after tune this radio: http://69.90.184.250:8282
[01:43] <helix_> with parenthesis as well
[01:43] <CB201> jnk, I got an "error reading CD" message
[01:43] <PacoBCN> "it's wonderful..."
[01:44] <flipy> is there any way to install bootsplash to ubuntu?
[01:44] <WhiteRabbit> TestDummy, one 2nd while a locate a server that has a rsync module running ;)
[01:44] <jnk> CB201, the device I guess is something like /dev/hdc or /dev/hdd
[01:44] <LinuxJones> CB201, /media/cdrom0 usually
[01:44] <TestDummy> ?????
[01:44] <TestDummy> That made no sense
[01:44] <nickrud> helix_, i don't _think_ you need any quotes
[01:44] <WhiteRabbit> TestDummy, the server must be running rsync in order to do this
[01:44] <mirage> can one install from the livecd?
[01:44] <helix_> nickrud: still failed
[01:44] <TestDummy> Okay, well, I don't know how to find one
[01:45] <WhiteRabbit> TestDummy, whats your geo location?
[01:45] <TestDummy> Uh, I'm in the States..
[01:45] <nickrud> helix_, I'm at a loss without seeing the logs
[01:45] <CB201> LinuxJones, I tried /media/cdrom0
[01:45] <CB201> LinuxJones, I ran the Check CD option and got nothing
[01:45] <stazz> how does one adjust vim's depth of c-indents?
[01:46] <CB201> LinuxJones, the error is Failed to Read Table of Contents
[01:46] <nickrud> helix_, you are restarting X with ctrl delete backspace at the login, right?
[01:47] <mirage> can I install ubuntu from the livecd or do I need the install CD in that case?
[01:47] <HrdwrBoB> you need the install cd
[01:47] <mirage> too bad.
[01:47] <TestDummy> Wait a second..
[01:48] <TestDummy> WhiteRabbit: Uh... I just noticed something
[01:48] <helix_> nickrud: yes
[01:48] <TestDummy> They do match >_< . I was looking at the MD5 for the i386-live ISO, not install
[01:48] <LinuxJones> CB201, is your cd scratched up ?
[01:48] <CB201> LinuxJones...no...
[01:48] <WhiteRabbit> TestDummy, well that will save us both on time ;)
[01:48] <nickrud> getting desperate :)
[01:49] <TestDummy> What's wrong with this thing then?
[01:49] <CB201> it keeps suggesting that there's no disk in the drive
[01:49] <mirage> does ubuntu have back-compatibility with deb?
[01:49] <LinuxJones> CB201, double click the icon on the desktop when you put a cd in the drive
[01:49] <WhiteRabbit> TestDummy, & you have pnp aware os & usb leg support off in the bios?
[01:49] <TestDummy> I think so..
[01:49] <WhiteRabbit> TestDummy, is this on a laptop by chance?
[01:50] <TestDummy> Nope.
[01:50] <WhiteRabbit> TestDummy, you used nero to burn?
[01:50] <CB201> LinuxJones, I'm not running GNOME so there is no CD
[01:50] <TestDummy> I did :|
[01:50] <CB201> *icon
[01:50] <LinuxJones> CB201, what are you running ?
[01:50] <TestDummy> My buner is kinda eccentric..
[01:50] <TestDummy> Sometimes it makes bad burns
[01:50] <CB201> LinuxJones, fluxbox
[01:50] <TestDummy> Perhaps if I tried a reburn..
[01:50] <WhiteRabbit> TestDummy, tell me you aren't using a cd gen'ed key for nero
[01:51] <TestDummy> You asking me if I'm using a pirated version??
[01:51] <WhiteRabbit> TestDummy, as nero blacklists gen'ed keys these days & cause funky burns even with the md5sum in tact as it can funk the fs of the burn up & cause you trouble
[01:51] <TestDummy> No, I'm using the one I got off the disc that came with the drive I bough
[01:51] <TestDummy> Mines legit.
[01:51] <LinuxJones> CB201,  do you have the cd mounted ? type sudo mount | grep cdrom
[01:52] <CB201> omg, I was just told that I don't need to mount audio CDs
[01:52] <CB201> going around in circles here
[01:52] <kakalto> has anyone tried the rc3 of debian installer for sarge?
[01:52] <slappy16> you dont
[01:52] <slappy16> grip uses the /dev/cdrom
[01:52] <Zugot> i've been working all afternoon trying to figure out why this I can't copy this 17GB file over the wan at the job
[01:52] <LinuxJones> CB201,  I havn't been following your entire conversation dude
[01:52] <Zugot> i'm gonna vent my frustrations by answering questions on #ubuntu
[01:52] <slappy16> thats what ive been doing
[01:52] <nickrud> :)
[01:52] <slappy16> im not even using it anymore
[01:53] <slappy16> hey nick!
[01:53] <nickrud> hi, slappy16 , no apostates :)
[01:53] <CB201> LinuxJones, whenever I try to mount an audio CD I get an error telling me it's the wrong type of files
[01:53] <slappy16> did seven-six-two reinstall yesterday or get a fix?
[01:53] <WhiteRabbit> TestDummy, have you tryed to burn it again its possible the media is borked aka the CD-R itself in some weird way?
[01:53] <slappy16> you dont need to mount an audio cd
[01:53] <TestDummy> It's a CD-RW
[01:53] <nickrud> slappy16, which problem was that, I remember him, but not the problem :)
[01:54] <slappy16> oihhh
[01:54] <WhiteRabbit> TestDummy, bingo!
[01:54] <slappy16> mp3's?
[01:54] <TestDummy> Perhaps I should try a new disc..
[01:54] <TestDummy> But I have none.
[01:54] <slappy16> it was the dpkg issue w/ /var/lib/dpkg
[01:54] <TestDummy> Just 10 or so CD-RW's
[01:54] <CB201> LinuxJones, that doesn't happen when I try to read from normal data CDs
[01:54] <TestDummy> ?
[01:54] <WhiteRabbit> TestDummy, unused cd-rws?
[01:54] <TestDummy> Reused..
[01:54] <Zugot> i bought some cheap cds from circuit city the other day...
[01:54] <TestDummy> You think I'd use a rewritable disc only once?
[01:54] <nickrud> slappy16, how could I forget? I think he's reinstalling :)
[01:54] <Zugot> didn't realize they were only 4x...
[01:54] <TestDummy> (Yeah, they are kinda cheapy brand come to think of it)
[01:54] <slappy16> lol...ya, i cant believe i remember
[01:54] <WhiteRabbit> TestDummy, As in hey these are new & haven't been used yet...
[01:55] <TestDummy> And they are only 4x for me too, says 12 though
[01:55] <TestDummy> Really used..
[01:55] <TestDummy> I guess I could pick up a fresh pack sometime
[01:55] <nickrud> How could I forget someone deleting everything in /var/lib/dpkg :)
[01:55] <slappy16> lol..no kidding..well, he did say it was because of fsck
[01:55] <WhiteRabbit> TestDummy, Im gonna chalk it up to that although that may not very well be the problem at hand, But I'd suggest getting some unused burning media for your next OS burn ;)
[01:56] <nickrud> slappy16, that's the best guess.
[01:56] <LinuxJones> CB201,  >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MultimediaHOWTO#cd-player
[01:56] <slappy16> does anyone have a usb laser mouse that locks up occasionally?
[01:56] <TestDummy> I guess I could try erasing it, reburning it and give it one more go
[01:56] <TestDummy> And if that doesn't work, to the store to get a few new discs..
[01:56] <WhiteRabbit> TestDummy, you could but if its not gonna break the bank I'd go ahead & grab some cd-r's
[01:57] <TestDummy> I guess I'll do that.
[01:57] <LinuxJones> CB201,  double check those settings
[01:58] <TestDummy> Thanks for the help :P
[02:02] <gordonjcp> hey all
[02:02] <goldfish> hi
[02:03] <cens0red> morning.
[02:03] <WhiteRabbit> Afternoon
[02:04] <kakalto> ty
[02:04] <nickrud> quietest I've seen since release
[02:04] <Juhaz> is there a dpkg command for seeing which package a given file belongs to?
[02:04] <slappy16> dpkg -S
[02:05] <krusbjorn> now that everyone seems bored, i might just as well ask how to get out of the RAM memory djungle ;) anyone know any performance diffs between kingston value, geil value and corsair value?
[02:06] <Juhaz> doh. of course, tried that first but it didn't work, forgot that it needs absolute path.
[02:08] <helix_> rudnick: you still here?
[02:08] <nickrud> yup
[02:08] <flipy> if I install a set of packages with synaptic, is there any way to do something like a rollback?
[02:08] <chombee> hello everyone - I have an absolutely HORRENDOUS problem with Ubuntu probably related to postfix configuration that I really need a hand with. My laptop is apparently delivering cron and anacron error messages to root@mydomain.com, that is the domain of the email and webserver I use, not localdomain, and my administrator is getting spammed and so he's killing my account. It just started doing this apparently for no r
[02:08] <chombee> eason. I found mydomain.com in /etc/hosts and the other postifx hosts file and removed it. Does anyone know how I can force a reset of the postfix config to a safe default? Or how I can verify for sure where these error messages are now being sent so I know I'm safe? (It could also be that they're being bounced to my beleagured admin). I'm monitoring eth1 now for packets on port 25.
[02:08] <helix_> do you want me to dcc you the xorg.conf
[02:08] <nickrud> that's fine
[02:09] <goldfish> lol
[02:09] <busfahrer_> Excuse me, the Firefox on Hoary lists itself as "Firefox/1.0 (Ubuntu package 1.0.2)"... now what is it really, 1.0 or 1.0.2?
[02:10] <NetwrkMonkey> what would cause my system clock to gain time in hoary, this didn't happen in warty
[02:10] <nickrud> does anyone remember the dpkg command that that reinstalls the original config?
[02:10] <concept10> daylight savings time?
[02:10] <helix_> dpkg-recongifure <package>
[02:10] <helix_> reconfigure*
[02:11] <thr1ce> 1.0.2
[02:11] <nickrud> helix_, no, it actually reinstalls the package, and force-overwrites back to the default.
[02:11] <nickrud> then you run dpkg-reconfigure
[02:11] <helix_> i am going to install a kernel from source
[02:12] <helix_> i hope that helps out
[02:12] <helix_> generic always suck
[02:12] <nickrud> helix_, use ubuntu's sources, it'll save you pain
[02:12] <dcraven> nickrud, isn't it "dpkg-reconfigure --purge remove <package>"?
[02:12] <NetwrkMonkey> it's gaining minutes
[02:12] <zero[] > anybody here use mono/c# in ubuntu?
[02:13] <helix_> zero[]  i do
[02:13] <flipy> if I install a set of packages with synaptic, is there any way to do something like a rollback?
[02:13] <mello> hey guys, can i update GAIM to the newest version? and is it worth it?
[02:13] <nickrud> dcraven, dpkg-reconfigure runs the confguration utility debconf, it doesn't install anything.
[02:14] <dcraven> nickrud, oh yeah.. I meant apt-get instead of dpkg-reconfigure.... Oops.
[02:14] <chombee> I'm looking at man, apparently it is just dpkg-reconfigure postfix
[02:14] <busfahrer_> Thanks.
[02:14] <chombee> 'reconfigures packages after they have already been installed'
[02:14] <nickrud> dcraven, yeah I think you're right :)
[02:14] <zero[] > helix_: do i need to install gcc-sharp from source to use mono/c#?
[02:15] <zero[] > i have mono installed
[02:15] <zero[] > from synaptic
[02:15] <dcraven> chombee, I'm not sure how well that will work if the config has been modified manually though. Something tells me an md5sum is kept so that you don't lose manual modifications (thankfully).
[02:15] <zero[] > gtk-sharp
[02:15] <zero[] > oops
[02:16] <nickrud> chombee, yeah, but dpkg-reconfigure won't affect everything, just most things.
[02:16] <|QuaD-> zero[] : do an apt-cache show mono see if its installed
[02:16] <tweek> is totem-xine known to be buggy as hell in amd64?
[02:16] <Xeon3D> e
[02:16] <Xeon3D> erm.. how does one install 3d acceleration for nvidia on ubuntu? :P
[02:16] <zero[] > |Quad-: it is. i can also run the command "mono"
[02:16] <nickrud> chombee, what's in your /etc/aliases
[02:17] <dcraven> zero[] , it's libgtk-cil.
[02:18] <chombee> nothing too suspicous was in there when I first checked. I've since set sysadmin, webmaster, abuse, postmaster and root to 'sean'. Previously postmaster was 'root' and the others ommitted. Root was set to 'sean' though
[02:18] <dcraven> I love the debian package naming conventions (assuming there is a convention)...
[02:18] <|QuaD-> zero[] : ok
[02:18] <XplOzIon> Xeon3D Read http://ubuntuguide.org/#installnvidiadriver
[02:19] <nickrud> ok
[02:19] <Atholas> There seems to be a lot of eye candy stuff in Ubuntu like shadow under the mouse etc etc. How can I disable those?
[02:19] <zero[] > great! got it working, thanks
[02:20] <goldfish> Atholas: u got an nvidia crad?
[02:20] <goldfish> *card
[02:20] <zero[] > ah, i love apt-get
[02:20] <XplOzIon> nvidia-settings
[02:20] <Atholas> goldfish: no :(
[02:20] <goldfish> ah right
[02:20] <goldfish> hmm
[02:20] <chombee> Is there a log somewhere which would show the messages being sent to root@mydomain and show that they are now being sent to localdomain. so I can be sure I've fixed it?
[02:20] <dcraven> Atholas, shadow under the mouse probably comes with the mouse cursor theme.
[02:20] <goldfish> I was gonna suggest xcompmgr
[02:21] <Atholas> I thought it is an xorg problem that is causing this slowdown :(
[02:21] <LinuxJones> chombee, I can post my  /etc/postfix/main.cf to pastebin.ca if you want to compare ?
[02:21] <duncanm> is there a firefox 1.0.3 for Hoary?
[02:21] <nickrud> chombee, /var/log/mail.log
[02:21] <l33txp> ok guys.. the n00b is back..
[02:21] <XplOzIon> lol
[02:21] <dcraven> Atholas, there is a /apps/metacity/preferences/reduced_resources gconf key that you could set to true too. But that will only affect some Metacity eye-candy stuff.
[02:21] <l33txp> I gave up on my ATI drivers... now I'm onto Opera browser... I downloaded the version for my distro... now how do I install???
[02:21] <dcraven> Not really eye-candy, but y'know.
[02:22] <l33txp> I have this file...
[02:22] <l33txp> opera_8.0-20050415.5-shared-qt_en_sarge_i386.deb
[02:22] <dcraven> duncanm, only what you see in the repository.
[02:22] <Xeon3D> thanks XplOzIon
[02:22] <tahorg> l33txp: dpkg -i
[02:22] <Atholas> dcraven: I just tried changing theme and the mouse shadow is still there. Probably it isn't a theme-related issue.
[02:22] <zero[] > you guys think c# is better than java?
[02:22] <XplOzIon> Xeon3D no problem
[02:22] <tahorg> l33txp: (your nick sucks btw)
[02:22] <l33txp> heh.. I know.. it's just the nic I've used for years..
[02:23] <chombee> LinuxJones, sure why not?
[02:23] <gordonjcp> hello
[02:23] <dcraven> Atholas, you don't have composite enabled do you? Do the windows have shadows?
[02:23] <tahorg> l33txp: :)
[02:23] <LinuxJones> chombee, :)
[02:23] <chombee> nickrud - inspecting that log file
[02:23] <gordonjcp> can anyone give me some help with Evolution?
[02:23] <dcraven> zero[] , I think Mono is better than Java.
[02:23] <LinuxJones> chombee, http://pastebin.ca/9850
[02:23] <_machado_> hi !! i'm trying to install fltk-1.1.6
[02:23] <dcraven> zero[] , but you may feel differently.
[02:24] <dcraven> zero[] , there are Java bindings to GTK as well if you  prefer.
[02:24] <_machado_> and checking for jpeg_CreateCompress in -ljpeg... no !!! what lib i have to install ?
[02:24] <chombee> LinuxJones, thanks!
[02:24] <LinuxJones> chombee, I am sure the myhostname is the address that postfix mails to
[02:24] <l33txp> crap.. how do I get to the desktop directory on the command line??
[02:24] <b2s> _machado_: I'd guess it was libjpeg
[02:25] <b2s> l33txp: cd ~/Desktop
[02:25] <tahorg> l33txp: cd ~/Desktop
[02:25] <l33txp> ty
[02:25] <krusbjorn> l33txp: cd  ~/Desktop
[02:25] <mak> can someone help me mount a device that is connected via usb?
[02:25] <tahorg> combo !
[02:25] <krusbjorn> ;)
[02:25] <_machado_> i try  apt-get install libjpeg
[02:25] <_machado_> but doen't work
[02:25] <l33txp> "No such directory or file"
[02:25] <l33txp> lol
[02:25] <helix_> zero[]  there is no gcc sharp
[02:25] <helix_> lol
[02:25] <Atholas> dcraven: I have just set the reduce_resources key to true. Hope it works. And I don't have composite enabled at all
[02:25] <tahorg> l33txp: cd ~
[02:25] <b2s> l33txp: cd ~ ; ls
[02:26] <helix_> zero[]  install mono and it comes with its own compilers "mcs"
[02:26] <XplOzIon> remember to write the D in capital Desktop!!
[02:26] <dcraven> Atholas, if it is going to work, the effects will be seen immediately.
[02:26] <zero[] > helix_: yeah, i meant gtk-sharp. i already got it all working
[02:26] <Atholas> dcraven: I don't know if this is a placebo effect or what, it does seem a bit snappier
[02:26] <Atholas> dcraven: Thanks a lot.
[02:27] <mak> anyone? I know this is a simple thing, the device is showing up under lsusb, its all there, i just dont know how to mount it
[02:27] <dcraven> Atholas, no problemo.
[02:27] <helix_> zero[]  if you want to test it out install "muine" or "f-spot"
[02:27] <tahorg> l33txp: you should read some basic cli tutorials
[02:27] <zero[] > helix_: i compiled a hello world program and ran it, worked.. hehe
[02:27] <XplOzIon> mak, try man mount
[02:27] <helix_> w00t
[02:28] <zero[] > i love apt-get... how did i ever get along without it
[02:28] <dcraven> _machado_, did you try libjpeg62-dev?
[02:28] <mak> XplOxlIon, i know about mount, I just dont know what /dev/"device" it is
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[02:29] <XplOzIon> mak, do you know how to list your devices? sudo fdisk -l
[02:29] <b2s> mak try checking dmesg|tail and seeing if something shows up there right after you plug in the device
[02:29] <l33txp> guys...
[02:29] <l33txp> "dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of opera:"
[02:29] <b2s> XplOzIon: that won't always work (doesn't even list my hda!)
[02:29] <l33txp> "opera depends on libqt3c102-mt; however:
[02:29] <l33txp>   Package libqt3c102-mt is not installed.
[02:29] <l33txp> dpkg: error processing opera (--install):
[02:29] <l33txp>  dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[02:29] <l33txp> Errors were encountered while processing:
[02:29] <l33txp>  opera"
[02:29] <tahorg> l33txp: sudo apt-get install libqt3c102-mt
[02:30] <XplOzIon> b2s, really? till now havent failed on me =D
[02:30] <dcraven> l33txp, you think you might need to install the dependancy?
[02:30] <chombee> LinuxJones, you mean the 'myhostname' in main.cf is the host that postfix appends to local mails? eg.: to a mail for 'root'?
[02:30] <LinuxJones> l33txp, is there a statically linked version of opera  ?
[02:30] <mak> b2s, it says usb 4-1: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 3
[02:30] <XplOzIon> hmm that makes me wanna try my USB camera
[02:31] <LinuxJones> chombee, I am pretty sure your is set to something else right ?
[02:31] <l33txp> I have no idea.. LoL.. I'm such a frickin n0000000b
[02:31] <b2s> XplOzIon: yeah, it only shows me sdb (which is my usb flash drive)
[02:32] <dcraven> l33txp, take your time and read the messages that your machine gives you. Sometimes (however not often maybe), the errors are meaningful.
[02:32] <chombee> nickrud - thanks, I can see the messages that were sent to my admin over the past few days, and see that no more are being sent, not yet verified if the same errors are being sent to me instead now
[02:32] <LinuxJones> l33txp, that's ok :) Opera used to provide one that will fix that problem. Like 2 years ago I dunno if they still ahve tone check their site.
[02:32] <krusbjorn> l33txp: why install Opera, btw? you norweigan? ;)
[02:32] <chombee> LinuxJones - actually, it's set to localhost.localdomain. Maybe the mails get bounced to root@mydomain.com
[02:32] <LinuxJones> have* one* :(
[02:32] <l33txp> no.. american.. I use it on my windows system.
[02:32] <mak> XplOzIon, fdisk only shows my partitions, I still dont know what device the usb is
[02:33] <l33txp> I guess I'll use firefox..
[02:33] <l33txp> grr
[02:33] <nickrud> chombee, just out of curiosity, what programs are sending to root?
[02:33] <LinuxJones> chombee, I don't run postfix so I am not 100% sure. Best to post to the forums if nobody can help you in irc atm. You will get a reply fairly soon ;)
[02:33] <b2s> mak: hmm, I get something like that, but afterwords I get "scsi emulation for usb mass storage devices" and then "usb-storage device found at X" and then more stuff and then "Attached scsi removable disk sdb etc etc"
[02:33] <makyo2> hello, is crimsun around?
[02:34] <b2s> mak maybe check lsmod to be sure you have the modules installed?  They should be automatic I thought though
[02:34] <nickrud> someone knows who to ask :)
[02:34] <tahorg> b2s: try hal-device-manager
[02:34] <mak> b2s, the thing is, I'm not positive if its a "mass storage device" its an iriver
[02:34] <tahorg> mak
[02:34] <chombee> nickrud - cron and anacron. They may be sending or maybe the mails get bounced
[02:34] <tahorg> (sorry)
[02:35] <LinuxJones> chombee, >> http://www.postfix.org/faq.html#root
[02:35] <nickrud> yeah, those should be going straight to your inbox, mine do.
[02:35] <b2s> mak: ah, that's a whole different thing then
[02:35] <gordonjcp> does anyone in here use Evolution web calendars?
[02:35] <tahorg> mak: google the model name with 'linux mass storage'
[02:36] <b2s> mak:  you might check and see if ifp-driver.sf.net is elucidating, but I don't know anything about irivers
[02:36] <krusbjorn> mak: what iriver is it?
[02:36] <mak> tahorg, I'll try it
[02:36] <tahorg> IIRC all the 'old' models are usb mass storage compatible
[02:36] <mak> krusbjorn, its an ifp899
[02:36] <krusbjorn> mak: is that a flash unit?
[02:37] <mak> I couldnt get ifp-gnome to work with it,it says device busy
[02:37] <mak> krushbjorn, it is
[02:37] <krusbjorn> mak: okies, never mind then
[02:37] <chombee> nickrud, LinuxJones - thanks! I have to go and make dinner soon, but I'll leave it monitoring port 25 and check that mail.log, and I'll give that faq a read and make a note of all this stuff
[02:38] <b2s> mak: there seem to be mulitple projects on ifp-driver.sf.net so maybe another would work better for you
[02:38] <chombee> it looks like it has stopped doing it, though I don't understand what I did, but since I'm still able to send mail fine I'm okay
[02:38] <krusbjorn> mak: try searching the misticriver forums if you didnt already
[02:39] <nickrud> chombee, it may simply be that cron has nothing to say right now, that's all.
[02:39] <mak> b2s, the reason I'm trying to mount it is because I read somewhere that the new ones can be mounted as a mass storage device. And having failed at attempts to make those work, im trying it this way
[02:39] <Tuxicity> During Hoary installation, "Testing network repositories..." took a very long time. Is this normal? Did I misconfigure my network?
[02:40] <b2s> mak: yes, one of the links on that site is a kernel module that supposedly mounts that thing as a device
[02:40] <chombee> nickrud - yeah, I know. that's why I have to leave it running. It was sending 25 messages a day with the computer only on for a couple of hours though, so I should see something. I'd just like to see for sure a message fom cron going locally now. Maybe if I inspect the mail.log more closely I can identify them Do you know how I can read the local box it delivers to?
[02:40] <XplOzIon> Wow, download photos from my USB camara never been so easy!
[02:41] <Rima> has anyone got World of warcraft running under ubuntu off an ntfs partition?
[02:41] <nickrud> root mail may be going to /var/mail  and grep 'root@' /var/log/mail.log will skim the log for you.
[02:41] <gordonjcp> does anyone in here use Evolution web calendars?
[02:41] <nickrud> /var/mail/root :)
[02:42] <mak> b2s, thanks, I'll keep looking
[02:43] <gordonjcp> ok, another question then
[02:43] <gordonjcp> does anyone know how to completely eradicate all traces of Evolution from Ubuntu?
[02:43] <chombee> nickrud - no such file or dir?
[02:43] <XplOzIon> b2s, any idea why i cant import my photos?
[02:43] <XplOzIon> b2s, it shows all photos in the camera, but clicking on IMPORT doesnt do anything
[02:44] <nickrud> if /var/mail/root doesn't exist, that's normal
[02:44] <b2s> XplOzIon: nope, I haven't tested my digital camera in ubuntu yet... did you check ~/.xsession-errors and/or dmesg?
[02:44] <b2s> I only installed ubuntu on saturday, give me some time :P
[02:45] <XplOzIon> b2s, hehe, well it opened a window where u selected the camera model and then it uploaded photos from camera, but when i select some photos and click impor doesnt do anything
[02:46] <b2s> now that I'm thinking of it, has anyone gotten a palm to sync correctly under ubuntu?  /dev/pilot doesn't seem to exist, and /dev/ttyUSB1 doesn't always seem to be the palm.. maybe some hotplug setting needs work?
[02:46] <nickrud> gordonjcp, apt-get remove --purge evolution
[02:46] <gordonjcp> nickrud: cool
[02:46] <XplOzIon> b2s, never mind, for some reason it does import the photos now
[02:47] <gordonjcp> it's a shame, but it doesn't do ical properly
[02:47] <b2s> XplOzIon: it was just messin with you
[02:47] <gordonjcp> nickrud: unless you can think of a way to convince it to accept a username and password for the directory with the ical file
[02:47] <b2s> XplOzIon: what software are you using btw?
[02:47] <cjfp> is acroread 7.0 in ubuntu?
[02:47] <XplOzIon> b2s, no no wait, it imported a file of 0kb
[02:48] <XplOzIon> b2s, software? to import photos? ubuntu itself
[02:48] <b2s> XplOzIon: well, like I said, check .xsession-errors and/or dmesg to see if there is any useful error being output by something
[02:48] <b2s> and yes, what software to import photos....
[02:48] <XplOzIon> ok
[02:49] <nickrud> gordonjcp, I've never used it's ical feature.
[02:49] <torpid> any of you guys know anything about a working open currency system?
[02:49] <gordonjcp> nickrud: ok, got any good pointers to information about Evolution?
[02:49] <gordonjcp> the gnome website is stunningly useless
[02:50] <torpid> pretty much
[02:50] <scott> so apt is being all screwy on me. it won't install a couple packages (mono) because /usr/lib/mono is in the package muine, and it says to run apt-get -f install and that just gives me that error--anything else says run apt-get -f install (which doesn't help)
[02:50] <nickrud> gordonjcp, I'd google for evolution ical password
[02:51] <scott> anyone know how to fix apt when apt-get -f install doesn't do the trick?
[02:52] <gordonjcp> nickrud: been there, done that
[02:52] <gordonjcp> nickrud: why do you think I'm asking in here?
[02:52] <b2s> :( ubuntu keeps locking up when I access my usb flash card too often...
[02:52] <XplOzIon> b2s, honestly i dont understand what dmesg says, something about USB like this: usb 1-1: USB disconnect, address 3
[02:52] <XplOzIon> usb 1-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 4
[02:52] <XplOzIon> usb 1-1: configuration #1 chosen from 2 choices
[02:52] <helio7> Anyone have a minute to peek at my ~/.xsession-errors file?  I just booted up and can't get into gnome.  I'm using fluxbox, but gnome appears broken.  Here's the error-log from .xsession-errors: http://pastebin.ca/9852
[02:52] <nickrud> gordonjcp, desperation :)
[02:54] <b2s> XplOzIon: that doesn't mean anything to me either... I assume its the usb camera being detected
[02:54] <b2s> gordonjcp: sunbird is pretty beta isn't it?  plus, does gpilot sync to it (or just evolution)?
[02:54] <FlimFlamMan> gordonjcp, i too am using thunderbird and sunbird instead of evolution
[02:55] <FlimFlamMan> (on debian though, not ubuntu - i like the ubuntu live cd but i;m not quire ready to commit to it)
[02:55] <acrid> I use Sunbird and I'm very happy with it...but that's just me
[02:56] <gordonjcp> b2s: I use Mozilla Calendar, my gf uses Sunbird and is quite happy with it
[02:56] <FlimFlamMan> nickrud, what's wrong with it?
[02:56] <b2s> nickrud: heh, seemed ok to me.. even supports IDLE
[02:56] <acrid> and no, I'm not his girlfriend
[02:56] <nickrud> FlimFlamMan, I keep my local store under courier-imap, and thunderbird is slow
[02:57] <b2s> nickrud: I use courier-imap too.. It does seem a bit slow on loading, but once its running things are pretty nice.
[02:58] <nickrud> b2s, I have some large maildirs, and I'm not that patient, even if it's only once every while :)
[02:58] <XplOzIon> how do i see xsession-errors?
[02:58] <XplOzIon> damn im a noob lol
[02:58] <b2s> nickrud: so what do you use in preference?
[02:58] <b2s> XplOzIon: the file is ~/.xsession-errors
[02:59] <nickrud> b2s, been using evolution for a long time, but have tried kmail sylpheed, balsa (ug) thunderbird (a beta, to be fair) and a few others
[02:59] <flodine> helio7 you on fluxbox
[03:00] <b2s> nickrud: and evolution is fast when starting up and connecting to large courier boxes?
[03:00] <nickrud> b2s, faster than any of the others
[03:00] <nickrud> subjectively :)
[03:00] <b2s> dang it, I'm going to have to reboot :((
[03:01] <nickrud> b2s, why
[03:01] <b2s> man I hate rebooting linux.
[03:01] <b2s> nickrud: things are starting to lock up from accessing my usb flash card
[03:02] <b2s> pdflush is "uninterruptible", as are usb-storage and scsi_eh_3
[03:02] <b2s> that's all kernel stuff, so I don't think I can kill it
[03:02] <helio7> Any idea why my .ICEauthority file would be unreadable by gdm leading to a failure in starting gnome?
[03:03] <flodine> anyone running fluxbox please help
[03:03] <XplOzIon> b2s, in that file doesnt seem to post any usb error
[03:03] <nickrud> b2s, bye bye ;)
[03:03] <b2s> XplOzIon: if you've got no errors, its going to be tough to debug ;)
[03:04] <XplOzIon> b2s, i posted the file check it http://pastebin.ca/9855
[03:04] <FlimFlamMan> nickrud, i use courier-imap too at work and at home - haven't really noticed any serious speed problems.  what are you comparing to?
[03:05] <FlimFlamMan> nickrud, correction - i switched to cyrus at home, sorry
[03:05] <XplOzIon> b2s, o yeah theres an sub error
[03:05] <XplOzIon> b2s, didnt notice =/
[03:05] <nickrud> FlimFlamMan, to be fair, it was a beta. I haven't tried again in a while, so I'll do it again.
[03:06] <chillywilly> is hoary going to get the new firefox?
[03:06] <qwe> hoary's already out
[03:07] <krusbjorn> helio7: trie this? http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1583.html
[03:07] <krusbjorn> tried*
[03:07] <helio7> reading now krusbjorn, thanks
[03:07] <qwe> I'm trying to mount a windows share and it fails with this in dmesg: "missing data argument"
[03:07] <qwe> errr "smb_fill_super: missing data argument"
[03:08] <qwe> anybody know what's wrong?
[03:08] <krusbjorn> helio7: np :)
[03:09] <chillywilly> should I be brave and upgrade to breezy?
[03:09] <thr1ce> chillywilly, i'm running it
[03:09] <chillywilly> I thought security fixes were provided for a release qwe
[03:10] <chillywilly> ff 1.0.3 is a security fix isn't it?
[03:10] <Atholas> Yeah it is. I'm waiting for it too.
[03:11] <Atholas> Seems like FF 1.0.3 is not in breezy either.
[03:11] <chillywilly> blah
[03:11] <Amaranth> "I anticipate that Ubuntu will become the mainstream Linux distribution globally."
[03:11] <Amaranth> http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8253
[03:11] <Atholas> Seems like Fedora is real up to date with things..
[03:11] <chillywilly> I anticipate that no one can tell the future
[03:13] <chillywilly> why is ubuntu-desktop being removed on a dist-upgrade?
[03:13] <chillywilly> dust-upgrade to breezy
[03:13] <chillywilly> dist even ;P
[03:13] <chillywilly> that's a funny typo
[03:13] <ryman> hello
[03:14] <ryman> I tried to run gdesklet but somehow it frozen or nothing showed up
[03:14] <punkrockguy318> How well does xfce4 integrate with ubuntu?
[03:14] <Xeon3D> ryman, go into a terminal and type sudo killall gdesklets
[03:15] <Xeon3D> or gdesklet
[03:15] <krusbjorn> punkrockguy318: im using it, and it works perfectly fine
[03:15] <GammaRay> hmmm what is discover? will this conflict w/ gnome-volume-manager?
[03:15] <krusbjorn> good luck chillywilly :D
[03:15] <punkrockguy318> krischan, alright... does it still have my menus?
[03:15] <ryman> Xeon3D|  I did that
[03:16] <krusbjorn> punkrockguy318: your menus?
[03:16] <punkrockguy318> krusbjorn, mhmm the ubuntu app menus
[03:16] <krusbjorn> punkrockguy318: yeah, they are there...i cant seem to be able to remove them either ;)
[03:16] <chillywilly> Ubuntu is ona  6 month release cycyle, correct?
[03:17] <WhiteRabbit> so far yes
[03:17] <krusbjorn> the gnome app menus are integrated in the basic "right click menu"
[03:17] <nickrud> chillywilly, you should make another partition, and run breezy there. When it breaks, you can come back and tell us about it:)
[03:17] <krusbjorn> lol
[03:17] <chillywilly> nickrud: I have ALWAYS ran debian sid...so what makes you think I can't fix a broken Ubuntu?
[03:17] <punkrockguy318> thanks
[03:18] <krusbjorn> punkrockguy318: welcome
[03:18] <nickrud> chillywilly, I ran the same sid install from 2001 to a couple months ago, but breezy will not be sid :)
[03:19] <nickrud> chillywilly, And I will stand by that until beagle makes it into breezy, when it will be perfect.
[03:19] <chillywilly> beagle?
[03:20] <chillywilly> not sure wtf that is
[03:20] <netsharc> hello all, anyone ever have a problem with KHTML hanging the whole system?
[03:20] <nickrud> a mono thing, it's an app that will index mail, web pages, etc, etc, etc.
[03:20] <chillywilly> bleh
[03:20] <nickrud> remember medusa :)
[03:20] <chillywilly> yes
[03:21] <nickrud> supposed to be that on steriods
[03:21] <chillywilly> yea, but why C#?
[03:21] <chillywilly> damn them ;)
[03:21] <helio7> krusbjorn: you rock; thanks for the link before, I had tried chmodding .ICEauthority but had overlooked chown;
[03:21] <chillywilly> OOo 2 beta is still out of date
[03:21] <nickrud> I quit program a while ago, so I don't care anymore ;P
[03:21] <chillywilly> they were upt o 1.9.93 last I looked
[03:22] <chillywilly> s/o/to/
[03:22] <krusbjorn> helio7: google is your friend ;) i just googled "ICEauthority" and that lpage was first hit ;)
[03:23] <StyXman> I have a game that depends on libXxf86vm.so.1, but there's only the .la file...
[03:23] <StyXman> I tried to compile xfree, but I discover that my knowledge does not allow me to modify the build process to build a .so version
[03:23] <StyXman> so, are there any other options?
[03:23] <krusbjorn> helio7: well, glad it worked out for you :)
[03:24] <StyXman> s/xfree/xorg/
[03:24] <ritalin> hello
[03:24] <krusbjorn> hola
[03:24] <ritalin> how do i access unstable .debs?
[03:24] <Tuxicity> WhiteRabbit: thanks! Enabling "USB keyboard Support" in BIOS fixed my problem. I knew Ubuntu wasnt the culprit;)
[03:24] <helio7> there's always a slight emotional element for me when I can't load my WM that blocks clear thought unlike dealing with other less disabling issues...
[03:24] <StyXman> ritalin: s/whoary/unstable/ in the debline?
[03:25] <P2OG> is there a way to make it so that in Ubuntu all my windows have a tendency to lock on to each other, I love that feature in the current distro I have.
[03:25] <ritalin> StyXman, ty
[03:25] <WhiteRabbit> Tuxicity, heh you hate when you first see it then once its all working you bless finding it ;)~
[03:25] <ritalin> alot of breakage occur?
[03:25] <Tuxicity> WhiteRabbit: Alelluyah!
[03:26] <jalrnc> hello, is anyone experiencing problems with the ubuntu wiki? I'm not able to save pages after editing
[03:26] <erik> hey, I just switched over to breezy and upon reboot with a new kernel my keyboard has been acting funny (thinking I'm not letting go of modifier keys, etc).  Anyone else?
[03:26] <nickrud> StyXman, it's in libxxf86vm1
[03:26] <StyXman> nickrud: hmmm
[03:26] <StyXman> then I should not ask that here :-|
[03:26] <] BreliC[> anyone here using an iRiver iFP with ubuntu?
[03:26] <ritalin> I just want packages not a unstable system, should i just uncomment universe?
[03:26] <StyXman> sorry, I have debian
[03:27] <StyXman> tahnks anyway
[03:27] <nickrud> no, i mean apt-get install it
[03:27] <] BreliC[> i installed the ifp-line commandline proggy, but it keeps saying the device is busy...
[03:27] <kelbin> i've download this version of ubuntu - (ubuntu-5.04-install-i386.iso - 06-Apr-2005 22:31 587M) but i cant seem to select proxy for apt-get update during installation. i tried to search the forums but they were saying to download a array version 7 or something? my setup is stuck at the "Testing network repository" ... any ideas on which version or from where i should download ubuntu from?
[03:28] <Zryder> hello everyone. anyone ever use cedega?
[03:28] <nickrud> StyXman,  /usr/X11R6/lib/libXxf86vm.so.1, no?
[03:28] <] BreliC[> Zryder, yup
[03:28] <Tuxicity> ritalin: universe will give you access to all of Debian in theory yes
[03:29] <Zryder> ] brelic[ i just installed ubuntu, and i am wondering how to run games and such, any words of wisdom?
[03:30] <torpid> what kinds of games?
[03:30] <torpid> you can choose tons of games in the apps menu.
[03:30] <] BreliC[> Zryder, well, i haven't run any games on ubuntu, so i can't comment on that.  what i can say is that with cedega under SuSE 9.2 when I was using it, I got Knights of the old Republic and Sims working... couldn't get SimCity 4 to work
[03:30] <torpid> how the hell could you play games like that in linux?
[03:30] <krusbjorn> torpid: they are talking about cedega :P
[03:30] <] BreliC[> torpid, with cedega
[03:31] <torpid> i'd love to have an iriver product though, loaded with vorbis music, and working in linux.
[03:31] <torpid> what is that?
[03:31] <] BreliC[> torpid, well, i can't get the iriver to work with linux thus far... and cedega, check it out at www.transgaming.com
[03:32] <krusbjorn> get an iriver HD unit and you are good to go ;)
[03:32] <PacoBCN> Just published a small HOWTO about streamtuner=>streamripper, just in case someone is interested-
[03:32] <Zryder> cool. I am attempting to get Matrix Online..
[03:32] <] BreliC[> krusbjorn, heh, well, don't want a HD unit
[03:32] <] BreliC[> guess i'll have to keep trying to make it work
[03:32] <GammaRay> hmm during my upgrade one of the curses menus mentioned xfree86.. that makes me nervous
[03:33] <chpts> Hi I'm about to install ubuntu and I have a few questions concerning my WinXP partition and grub
[03:33] <acrid> Zryder: I'm a recent convert from Debian so I can't really speak to Ubuntu, but Transgaming offers .debs that I bet would work fine.
[03:33] <krusbjorn> ] BreliC[: have you searched the misticriver forums? http://www.misticriver.net
[03:33] <Xappe> chpts: ask away :)
[03:33] <] BreliC[> krusbjorn, no, not yet... i've looked at the open iriver driver.... hang on, i'll check it out
[03:33] <tweek> i think i found a bug in hoary >.<
[03:33] <torpid> i can't imagine why you'd have any proble with your iriver in linux.
[03:33] <goldfish> chpts: ask away
[03:34] <chpts> I currently have a RH9 partition on /dev/hdb3, XP partition in /dev/hdb1, a boot partition in /hdb2 and swap in hdb5
[03:34] <torpid> it should be a generic usb mass storage device.
[03:34] <thr1ce> mmm...gnome 2.6.10.1
[03:34] <chavo> Zryder, the transgaming debs work perfectly in ubuntu, just got done playing some half life 2.
[03:34] <chpts> So I need to manually configure the partitons to install ubuntu, right?
[03:35] <chpts> (consider the fact that I'm a total newbie)
[03:35] <krusbjorn> chpts: you can let the installer make them automatically if you wish
[03:35] <] BreliC[> torpid, because it doesn't mount as a mass storage device
[03:35] <Xappe> are you going to remove RH9?
[03:35] <chpts> but that would keep my winXP partition untouched?
[03:35] <netsharc> hello all, anyone ever have a problem with KHTML causing X to hang? whenever I try to use anything that needs KHTML, X hangs..
[03:35] <chpts> yes, I'm removing RH9
[03:35] <GUISlave> You don't need to manually configure partitions
[03:35] <torpid> cedega sounds unbelievable
[03:36] <krusbjorn> chpts: pi dunno, probably not. but there is a good guide how to do that...lemme try to find it
[03:36] <torpid> and you are using 2.6 kernel?
[03:36] <GUISlave> Just wipe the whole drive out for ubuntu.  :)
[03:36] <GammaRay> chpts: the installer has a nice interface for manually partitioning
[03:36] <Xappe> chpts: then you can tell the ubuntu install which partitions to use for ubuntu by setting their mountpoints
[03:36] <torpid> is it just me, or does the manifesto at openmoney.org sound like a bunch of hippie gibberish?
[03:36] <chpts> GammaRay: ok
[03:37] <Xappe> chpts: and yes, it'll leave your xp partition alone if you don't tell it to do otherwise
[03:37] <krusbjorn> chpts: you can also look here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?threadid=16353
[03:37] <chpts> GammaRay: so basically what I have to do Is reformat hdb3, name it / make it bootable
[03:37] <chpts> ok
[03:37] <chpts> and what about grub?
[03:37] <irCat> Anyone familiar with cross networking problems with OS X?
[03:37] <Xappe> chpts: the partition manager in the ubuntu installation program is the best i've used ever
[03:38] <chpts> I believe grub is currently installed on my /boot partition
[03:38] <chillywilly> the shortcut key to switch workspaces doesn't seem to work anymore
[03:38] <nickrud> chpts, since you will only have ubuntu and xp, it'll make a working grub for you, no problem
[03:38] <chillywilly> ctrl-alt-left arrow
[03:38] <chillywilly> or SOME arrow
[03:38] <chpts> nickrud: do I have to install grub in the mbr?
[03:38] <chillywilly> {left,right,up,down} arrow
[03:39] <EmergeTW> what is the initial root password?
[03:39] <chillywilly> ctrl-alt-{left,right,up,down} arrow
[03:39] <irCat> Samba isn't working in either directions.
[03:39] <EmergeTW> from a default ubuntu install?
[03:39] <blahrus> EmergeTW: root is dissabled
[03:39] <Xeon3D> every key on my keyboard works as expected minus one... the single "" ...
[03:39] <Xeon3D> how can I fix it?
[03:39] <nickrud> chpts, it'll ask you if you want to, so just say yes :)
[03:39] <EmergeTW> blahrus: I tried to enable it and it said the sudo password was wrong
[03:39] <Xeon3D> the accents work right.. and any other key.
[03:39] <krusbjorn> EmergeTW: the sudo password is your user password...
[03:39] <chpts> ok
[03:40] <chpts> so basically I can now delete the /boot partition?
[03:40] <irCat> Anyone?
[03:40] <nickrud> chpts, you can use manual partitioner to tell ubuntu to use it if you want.
[03:40] <xtat> ha
[03:40] <tweek> ircat just periodically repeat your question till you're amswered
[03:41] <nickrud> same partition layout you use under redhat
[03:41] <] BreliC[> dammit.. gotta reboot in windows to update the iRiver firmware
[03:41] <chpts> nickrud: freespace?
[03:41] <] BreliC[> arrrgh
[03:41] <nickrud> chpts, how big is /boot
[03:41] <chpts> about 100 megs
[03:41] <timcapulet> error on install:: "serial8250: too much work for irq10" ???
[03:41] <irCat> Anyone familiar with cross networking problems with OS X?
[03:42] <timcapulet> any suggestions?
[03:42] <blahrus> try a sudo -s
[03:42] <nickrud> you're right, you don't really need it (my lilo instincts croping up again)\
[03:42] <blahrus> EmergeTW: try a sudo -s
[03:42] <chpts> nickrud: just to wrap it up: 1. format / as ext3, bootable, mount point in /
[03:43] <nickrud> yup
[03:43] <chpts> nickrud: 2. format /boot, ext3, bootable, mountpoint /?
[03:43] <CheeseBall> does anyone know how i can re-compile the ubuntu kernel
[03:43] <CheeseBall> i need to get soundblaster live support
[03:43] <nickrud> chpts, if you want to keep /boot, mount it at /boot
[03:43] <HrdwrBoB> CheeseBall: it already has sblive supprot
[03:43] <HrdwrBoB> x2 infact
[03:43] <chillywilly> a lot of keyboard shortcuts seem to be broken now
[03:43] <HrdwrBoB> both alsa and oss
[03:44] <chillywilly> weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
[03:44] <CheeseBall> for some reason mine does not work
[03:44] <chpts> ok
[03:44] <CheeseBall> any ideas
[03:44] <chpts> nickrud: 3. leave ntfs untouched
[03:44] <acrid> speaking of alsa...how do I set up my sound card? Alsaconf seems to be missing
[03:44] <CheeseBall> i had on board running and then i disabled it in the bios
[03:44] <timcapulet> "serial8250: too much work for irq10" error on install
[03:44] <timcapulet> suggestions?
[03:44] <nickrud> chpts, no, put redhad there ;)
[03:44] <CheeseBall> now....no sound
[03:45] <chpts> nickrud: sorry my dad needs xp
[03:45] <chpts> nickrud: 4. install grub on the MBR?
[03:45] <Xappe> hmm, when I do a /etc/init.d/dbus-1 restart the mounted partitions appear on the desktop and on the places menu. howcome this does not happen during reboot?
[03:45] <acrid> timcapulet: serial-ATA?
[03:45] <nickrud> chpts, that will happen during the install, all it takes is an enter
[03:45] <tcwd> Hey guys... can anyone help me get my sound working?
[03:45] <chpts> nickrud: 5. have fun?
[03:45] <timcapulet> acrid: nope, its a hp lapotl
[03:45] <timcapulet> *laptop
[03:46] <chpts> nickrud: ok, thanks a lot. I'm off to install ubuntu
[03:46] <tcwd> I'm quite a n00b at linux, in general... and I know it has the drivers... but it just... doensn't work =(
[03:46] <acrid> timcapulet: hmmm...wish I could help :^|
[03:46] <chpts> nickrud: you've been very helpful
[03:46] <nickrud> chpts, true. I heard the fastest install takes hitting the enter key 11 times :)
[03:46] <timcapulet> acrid: thanks anyway
[03:46] <nickrud> ahh, I hope lag helps me out there :)
[03:46] <tcwd> anyone?
[03:47] <chpts> nickrud: wow
[03:47] <holycow> tcwd, give it some time :)
[03:47] <holycow> someone will drop by who knows
[03:47] <tcwd> holycow, okay...
[03:48] <chpts> nickrud: by the way, why do redhat insists on having a /boot partition?
[03:48] <chpts> nickrud: as far as I can tell currently grub is installed on /boot
[03:48] <chpts> nickrud: bad design?
[03:49] <nickrud> chpts, no, a lot of installs use different partitions for different parts of the filesystem
[03:49] <raydogg> using cryptsetup, i have setup my encrypted partition, how can I do the same and burn my data to an Encrypted cd/dvd so that when it is mounted, a passphrase is required...
[03:49] <acrid> chpts: I think it's a hold-over from the old days when the boot record had to be in the first 1024 cylinders of the hard drive
[03:49] <Xappe> chpts: the /boot partition is a good thing. if your / gets corrupted you still can reach your winXP if you have grub installed in /boot
[03:49] <holycow> tcwd, also keep in mind sound is a fairly difficult thing to track down easily over irc, be patient, google while you wait
[03:49] <nickrud> me points to Xappe
[03:50] <chpts> Xappe: ok, I will leave it untouched
[03:50] <nickrud> chpts, using more than one partition is all about protecting yourself from one thing or another.
[03:50] <chpts> nickrud: thanks
[03:51] <CrazyNorman> Hello
[03:52] <CrazyNorman> Stupid question, but how do I set key-bindings (in gnome) which launch applications other then those in the list under "Keyboard-Shortcuts"?
[03:52] <Xappe> chpts: if you do not use a separate /boot partition grub will be installed in /boot on /
[03:54] <krusbjorn> CrazyNorman: i'm not sure you can do that :P on the other hand, i dont know much, so wait until someone who does answers :P
[03:54] <GammaRay> CrazyNorman: try xbindkeys
[03:55] <GammaRay> not gnome related but it works under all of X
[03:55] <CrazyNorman> Thanks
[03:55] <CrazyNorman> I can't live without my key bindings
[03:55] <GammaRay> doh.. I missed the obvious one
[03:55] <CrazyNorman> What?
[03:56] <GammaRay> metacity can do that
[03:56] <chillywilly> woah, these fonts are now fugly
[03:56] <CrazyNorman> How do I get metacity to do that?
[03:56] <GammaRay> gconf-editor...
[03:56] <chillywilly> they make me want to poke my eyes out
[03:56] <GammaRay> I'm not sure under what part but it's there... there is a search now afterall
[03:57] <chillywilly> hmm, fontconfig package is broken
[03:57] <chillywilly> that might be why
[03:58] <chillywilly> goo god they are fugly
[03:58] <GammaRay> hmm I just did a dist-upgrade and then did apt-get remove <something> without rebooting and now tons of packages are being "setup". can this cause a problem?
[03:58] <Xappe> chillywilly: get us a screenshot :)
[03:59] <nickrud> chillywilly, they've already uploaded a fix, it just hasn't hit the mirrors yet.
[03:59] <Xappe> are you running breezy?
[03:59] <chillywilly> Xappe: I think I am too lazy :)
[03:59] <chillywilly> yes
[03:59] <chillywilly> just upgraded
[03:59] <Xappe> ok
[04:00] <Xappe> think i'll w8 a couple of month so things get somewhat stable before I go for it
[04:01] <Xappe> before christmas, hoary was quite a beast
[04:02] <Dethread> hoary is still a beast
[04:02] <Dethread> a beautiful beast :)
[04:02] <Xappe> well, back then it was a beast with bad manners
[04:03] <Xeon3D> ick
[04:03] <krusbjorn> g'night
[04:03] <Xeon3D> how can I make /dev/hda1 free to every user (mount/umount/write/etc...)
[04:04] <CrazyNorman> GammaRay: Got everything work beautifully, thanks for your help
[04:04] <thr1ce> breezy is better :)
[04:04] <Xappe> already?
[04:05] <thr1ce> lol
[04:05] <Xappe> ;)
[04:05] <thr1ce> i am...sure, why not
[04:06] <Xeon3D> how can I make /dev/hda1 free to every user (mount/umount/write/etc...)...?
[04:07] <thr1ce> umask it
[04:07] <Xappe> Xeon3D: try using user and umask
[04:07] <thr1ce> add umask=000 to /etc/fstab
[04:07] <Xeon3D> thr1ce: already did.. no good.
[04:08] <Atholas> Is totem broken in Hoary? I just installed a fresh copy of Ubuntu Hoary and totem just closes itself shortly after it is ran.
[04:08] <Daehlie> totem < vlc
[04:08] <thr1ce> Xeon3D, you have to remount it
[04:08] <Xappe> Daehlie: well, I get sound lag with vlc using esd output
[04:08] <Xeon3D> thr1ce: already did.
[04:09] <Xappe> so I went for totem-xine with the mplayer codecs instead
[04:09] <thr1ce> /dev/hdc1       /media/windows  ntfs    ro,umask=000    1       0
[04:09] <thr1ce> do something like that
[04:09] <Xeon3D> -   /dev/hda5       /setup          vfat    umask=000        0       0
[04:09] <Xeon3D> that's how mine is.
[04:09] <Daehlie> i have never had a problem with vlc
[04:10] <Xappe> Xeon3D: add rw and user
[04:10] <thr1ce> change it to rw,user,umask=000
[04:10] <Xeon3D> O_O
[04:10] <Xeon3D> ok
[04:11] <Atholas> I got this error from totem: The error was 'BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation)'.
[04:11] <Xeon3D> thr1ce: no good.
[04:11] <thr1ce> Xeon3D, um...then your drive is bad or something; that should work fine
[04:12] <Xeon3D> now I can mount it, but cannot write to it :P
[04:12] <Xeon3D> (and the drive is good)
[04:12] <Atholas> Does it means that I don't have enough ram?
[04:13] <goldfish> vlc > *
[04:13] <Xappe> vlc has bad support for windows media files
[04:13] <goldfish> windows schmindows
[04:13] <Xappe> pfft
[04:13] <goldfish> :)
[04:14] <thr1ce> rw means read and write
[04:14] <thr1ce> you're sure it's a fat32 ?
[04:15] <GammaRay> Xappe: why would it have bad support if you installed win32-codecs?
[04:15] <Tuxicity> Hey, is it just me or is there some parts of ubuntuguide.org missing(blank)?
[04:15] <Xappe> GammaRay: does it use external codecs?
[04:16] <goldfish> Tuxicity: They probably are, maybe the articles are not written yet
[04:16] <Xappe> GammaRay: I thought the thing with vlc was that you shouldn't need any additional codecs
[04:16] <GammaRay> Xappe: I think it does though it's been a while since I used it
[04:16] <GammaRay> Xappe: that's silly.. I don'
[04:16] <GammaRay> Xappe: that's silly.. I don't see why vlc should be any different
[04:16] <nickrud> Xeon3D, add noauto to to rw etc
[04:16] <helix_> does ubuntu comes with xfree86 and xorg as well
[04:17] <goldfish> helix_: hoary comes with xorg
[04:17] <goldfish> warty has xfree
[04:17] <Xappe> GammaRay: iirc, the windows version does not support all .wmv either
[04:17] <nickrud> /dev/hda1       /winc           vfat    rw,user,noauto,umask=000   0    0   worked for me just now.
[04:17] <helix_> for some odd reason i cant get my resolution to change
[04:17] <helix_> is there a tool to do it
[04:18] <goldfish> helix_: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:18] <goldfish> will reconfigure it all for you
[04:18] <goldfish> you can change it in there
[04:18] <helix_> i tried that and still give me just one resolution
[04:18] <goldfish> oh
[04:18] <goldfish> might be a driver issue
[04:19] <hypno> ng0--
[04:19] <hypno> g dDFffffffffff
[04:19] <GammaRay> Xappe: vlc is supposed to be good at streaming.. maybe not needing codecs should be taken in that context. IE not needing the codec on the client
[04:19] <goldfish> Can xmms play .wma files?
[04:19] <Xappe> helix_: add your monitors horizontal and vertical refresh rates to the xorg.conf
[04:20] <Dethread> goldfish, I think you need a plugin
[04:20] <Xappe> GammaRay: maybe. i'm not saying it's a bad player (I use it myself) but I get sound lag with the esd output, so I just switched to totem-xine
[04:20] <goldfish> cool
[04:21] <GUISlave> too bad divx wasn't ported
[04:21] <holycow> Xappe, i spoke with the guys in the gnome channels and appearently esd is deprecated
[04:22] <mikeco> heh
[04:22] <holycow> appearently as it 'sucks' ... i'm paraphrasing :)
[04:22] <mikeco> hahaha
[04:22] <GammaRay> i get sound lag in anything I use esd in
[04:22] <mikeco> it's old
[04:22] <Dethread> I have no problems with esd
[04:22] <GammaRay> well esd may suck but where does that leave arts? (-;
[04:22] <mikeco> sucks too
[04:22] <acrid> why, it blows, of course
[04:23] <abarbaccia> hey, i am having troulbe getting gnome bluetooth to work properly - for some reason it can detect the phone but cannot transfer anything to it - any ideas what I'm missing
[04:23] <holycow> i don't know what server is being looked at as a replacement, the basic idea is to use gstreamer as the framework than any server you have available as a backend
[04:23] <holycow> jack seems to be getting some traction, not sure tho
[04:23] <Xeon3D> I'm going nuts
[04:23] <Xappe> too bad that the experiment with polypaudio in Hoary did not work out
[04:23] <Xeon3D> I can mount the mountpoint and umount it as normal user.. but I can't write anything to it using a normal user.
[04:23] <HrdwrBoB> abarbaccia: if you are using the phone manager at the same time
[04:23] <HrdwrBoB> it won't work
[04:23] <HrdwrBoB> because you can only have one bt connection at a time
[04:24] <HrdwrBoB> because bt is a horrendous pile of crap :/
[04:24] <abarbaccia> HrdwrBoB, well, i am not using phone manager - i only want to transfer an mp3
[04:24] <Xappe> guess one should invest in a sound card capable of hardware mixing
[04:24] <GUISlave> Bob, you must be in the UK.  :)
[04:24] <abarbaccia> HrdwrBoB, it detects my phone in the bluetooth manager - and from what i understand you just drag and drop correct?
[04:24] <HrdwrBoB> GUISlave: no, I'm in AU
[04:25] <GUISlave> ah
[04:25] <HrdwrBoB> abarbaccia: iirc that should work
[04:25] <HrdwrBoB> you can also do it on the command line
[04:27] <Xappe> oh hell, it's 04.30 am
[04:27] <Xappe> goodnight
[04:27] <Tuxicity> Xappe: night
[04:27] <abarbaccia> HrdwrBoB, i dont think that's the right package
[04:28] <holycow> Xappe has quit ("how nice, a nazi pope")  <-- rofl
[04:29] <mikeco> heh
[04:29] <mikeco> just another pedo
[04:29] <holycow> lol
[04:29] <GUISlave> I'm sure the Germans appreciate that
[04:30] <propagandhi> what is different about mepis that it detects and sets up my PCI winmodem perfectly??
[04:30] <GUISlave> I'm telling Dennis Knopper on you
[04:30] <propagandhi> in ubuntu it doesnt work
[04:30] <mikeco> i'm sure the sephardic and ashkenazi do as well
[04:31] <GUISlave> I'm sure Abe Foxman would concur
[04:31] <bzbb> how do you reconfigure a package?
[04:31] <holycow> dpkg-reconfigure package
[04:31] <mikeco> what are we concurring about
[04:31] <mikeco> that's he's nazi or a pedo?
[04:31] <mikeco> or both
[04:32] <holycow> nuffin i think we should just get off the topic
[04:32] <holycow> hehe i'm sorry i just thought it was funny
[04:32] <holycow> didn't mean to start anyfin
[04:32] <mikeco> heh
[04:32] <Edgan> Is there a synaptics/updates applet for Gnome in Ubuntu?
[04:32] <mikeco> all is fair in love and war
[04:32] <GUISlave> History isn't black and white all the time
[04:33] <mikeco> no, it's often red
[04:33] <GUISlave> Purple actually
[04:34] <GUISlave> :)
[04:34] <mikeco> fuscia?
[04:34] <GUISlave> mmmm.  Yes, that is a lovely color
[04:34] <GUISlave> Maybe with some pretty white paisley too
[04:34] <mikeco> buahaha
[04:34] <nickrud> Egan, it's called update-notifier, it should be running
[04:36] <AgentQ> any suggestions on which player for real media files?
[04:37] <GUISlave> Ohhh boy.  57 percent on the Rise of Nations patch.  Another 20 minutes to go or so.
[04:37] <GUISlave> I love dial up
[04:39] <Xenguy> AgentQ: AFAIK, xine with the w32codecs works
[04:39] <abarbaccia> hey all - i want to downgrade a package, any idea how to do it?
[04:41] <davy> Hi, is mozilla-mail not packaged for ubuntu?
[04:41] <davy> I'm trying to make the switch, but am really fond/used-to mozilla-mail
[04:41] <abarbaccia> mozilla-mail?  you mean mozilla-thunderbird
[04:41] <bet0x> mozilla-thunderbird
[04:42] <davy> is thunderbird the mail part of mozilla?
[04:42] <abarbaccia> davy, yes
[04:42] <davy> ah, sorry.. didn't know that.. thanx
[04:42] <abarbaccia> can someone help me out with downgrading a package - apparently the hoary bluetooth packages are broken but the warty ones work - how would i go about this?
[04:43] <abarbaccia> davy, that's why we're here
[04:43] <flodine> anyone running fluxbox
[04:43] <flodine> holla back
[04:43] <flodine> wow no fluxbox folks
[04:44] <davy> :).. well let me say, I'm very pleased so far.. my Dell D810 (laptop) is working well.. even suspend! (I couldn't ever get that to work with mdk).. now for wireless .. on mdk I always had to manually install ndiswrapper.. any starting point here?
[04:44] <flodine> well blow me down
[04:44] <flodine> thats a lie
[04:44] <flodine> all runnng gnome
[04:44] <flodine> or kde
[04:44] <abarbaccia> davy, ndiswrapper works nicely if your wireless was not detected - its very easy to set up - i am on a dell 700m
[04:44] <flodine> wow
[04:45] <abarbaccia> gnome - ubuntu = gnome, kubuntu = kde
[04:45] <flodine> so
[04:45] <flodine> so
[04:45] <davy> being new to this distro (coming from mdk) where do I configure networking?
[04:45] <davy> yes, I'm actually on kubuntu
[04:45] <davy> klaptop worked well
[04:45] <abarbaccia> hurm - i dont know in kde - check the control center though
[04:46] <davy> k
[04:47] <GammaRay> davy: /usr/bin/network-admin ?
[04:47] <davy> wel... installed thunderbird.. not exactly what I'm used to, but it should work.. I was actually refering to whatever package gives you the mail client button in the bottom left of moz
[04:47] <GammaRay> that should be generic enough
[04:47] <pantz> anyone know how to permanently set umask to 0002?
[04:47] <abarbaccia> edit the fstab
[04:47] <mmuzzy> davy:k/system/networking from the gui (same as GammyRay said though)
[04:48] <] BreliC[> finally got the iRiver to work with ubuntu
[04:48] <abarbaccia> how would i go about downgrading to a package included in warty from hoary?
[04:48] <davy> mmuzzy, there's no start -> system -> networking
[04:49] <GammaRay> pantz: /etc/profile
[04:49] <davy> missing pkg?
[04:49] <blahcubed> anybody have experience setting up netatalk?
[04:49] <GammaRay> pantz: or ~/.bash_profile
[04:50] <pantz> tx
[04:50] <mmuzzy> davy? sorry, i'm in kubuntu and I've got that... must be an ubunu entry, nothing 'networking'ish?
[04:50] <nickrud> davy, I think you're looking for mozilla-mailnews
[04:50] <davy> no, I'm in kubuntu too (5.04)
[04:50] <davy> but I'm looking
[04:51] <davy> nickrud, that would be great, but I don't see it in kynaptic's list
[04:51] <GammaRay> well then install gnome-system-tools.. I can't see why it would not work under kde
[04:51] <davy> yeah should
[04:52] <mmuzzy> davy: I agree with GammaRay
[04:52] <inc> sup channel
[04:52] <nickrud> davy, you need to turn on the universe repository
[04:52] <GammaRay> whoohoo even the kernel nfs server is still working after the upgrade
[04:52] <GammaRay> nice
[04:52] <nickrud> then it will show in kynaptic
[04:53] <davy> ok lemme try that
[04:53] <davy> nuckrud, uh, sry, where do I do that
[04:53] <discord> anyone know if its allright to use resier fs for / for hoary install?
[04:54] <nickrud> davy, I synaptic not kynaptic, but there will be something under settings about sources.list or repositories
[04:54] <inc> fusermount: old style mounting not supported
[04:54] <inc> crap
[04:54] <inc> lol
[04:54] <inc> anyone use gmailfs?
[04:55] <abarbaccia> inc, it doesnt work apparently
[04:55] <mmuzzy> kynaptic was so dumbed down I couldn't take it... still using synaptic under kubuntu.
[04:56] <inc> oh yeah? that sux
[04:56] <nickrud> yeah, I hadn't looked at synaptic for a while, and it's pretty good now. I don't really miss aptitude
[04:56] <inc> i try mounting and get old style mounting not supported
[04:57] <davy> wow.. synaptic is MUCH better
[04:57] <davy> (had to install)
[04:57] <abarbaccia> inc, yea, for some reason it doesn't work - i think its with the new python or fuse libs - they are fixing it soon hopefully - a bug report has already been submitted
[04:57] <inc> synaptic is pretty cool.. i still like apt-get
[04:57] <abarbaccia> synaptic IS apt-get
[04:58] <inc> i know this
[04:58] <scott> I installed the package xfont-artwiz but they don't show up in the list of fonts. anyone have an idea what I have to do to load them?
[04:58] <mmuzzy> davy: yeah, not sure what they were going for in kynaptic, it was an exercise in frustration for me ;)
[04:58] <nickrud> abarbaccia, no, they just both use libapt
[04:58] <abarbaccia> same shit
[04:58] <inc> lol
[04:58] <abarbaccia> lol
[04:58] <flodine> lol
[04:58] <abarbaccia> no mods = i can curse :)
[04:58] <flodine> i love ubuntuuuuuuu
[04:59] <inc> must keep the gui at a minimum
[04:59] <abarbaccia> woah - someone needs to chill that guy out
[04:59] <pantz> scott, fc-cache
[04:59] <inc> abarbaccia, i went through all the whoops for this gmailfs and it's got bugs..argh
[05:00] <flodine> what is the default sound for ubuntu
[05:00] <abarbaccia> inc, you can join the club - i just went down that road
[05:00] <scott> pantz: that doesn't do the trick
[05:01] <inc> well nice to know there is a dpgk for it though
[05:01] <scott> pantz, these are .pcf.gz files, is that alright?
[05:01] <scott> inc, yeah, gmailfs doesn't work
[05:01] <davy> yay! there's good-ole mozilla-mail
[05:01] <inc> scott, so i come to find out
[05:02] <scott> it works though in debian
[05:02] <inc> works on my windwos box though
[05:02] <scott> so maybe you could just install the deb out of unstable
[05:02] <abarbaccia> guys!  how the hell do i downgrade a package - i just switched from an RPM based distro and i dont know how to go about it - someone help me out here
[05:02] <scott> and update the python package that's old
[05:02] <scott> abarbaccia: apt-get install packagename
[05:02] <abarbaccia> scott, i'm trying to downgrade a package
[05:03] <scott> oh, sorry, misread :)
[05:03] <abarbaccia> like the bluetooth from hoary doesnt work right, so im going to try using warty
[05:03] <inc> well i got the deb from debian and it installed python and stuff
[05:03] <inc> ohary been good so far... had to upgrade the kernel to get it run my wifi card
[05:03] <abarbaccia> inc, does it work after that upgrade? and did you get the unstable pkg?
[05:04] <abarbaccia> oh, i have no problems with hoary, just that the bluetooth doesn't work
[05:04] <inc> abarbaccia, does what work?
[05:04] <abarbaccia> gmailfs after you upgraded python
[05:04] <inc> nope
[05:05] <dsas> ababaccia: I believe you need to do something with apt-pinning, I'd check around before going on a huge wild goose chase though :)
[05:05] <nickrud> abarbaccia, you can use apt-get, but you have to specify the version you want
[05:05] <inc> well i'm off to my new task.. getting sound in flash
[05:06] <scott> anyone know how add a keyshortcut in gnome to run a command? (totem --next)
[05:06] <abarbaccia> nickrud, what if i dont know the version number?
[05:06] <mmuzzy> abarbaccia: well, using kubuntu. but i used bluetooth to send a file to my ipaq tonight. bluetooth seems easier with kde tools.
[05:07] <abarbaccia> yea, that's the rumor - but i'm a gnome guy, so i
[05:07] <abarbaccia> m off on this route
[05:07] <mmuzzy> not that i'm a gui person, but it does make life easier sometimes not to deal with /etc/bluetooth type stuff. ;)
[05:08] <davy> ok, I installed gnome system tools..  I have system -> networking now, I don't see my wireless card in there, does that mean it didn't find it?
[05:08] <davy> or is there a detection step I need to do?
[05:08] <mmuzzy> abarbaccia: i'm not one for holy wars stuff... just playing with kubuntu, i usually run gnome myself.
[05:08] <KillerSmurf> sorry to ask but I'm new... I've just started using linux(mepis flavored) and am wondering what is the difference between mepis and ubantu?
[05:08] <abarbaccia> davy,  you probably need to use ndiswrapper
[05:09] <nickrud> you can find what'ts avaiable at http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/
[05:09] <davy> ok then, I've done that plenty of times before
[05:09] <abarbaccia> davy, search on google for your nic card or laptop and see what you get
[05:09] <abarbaccia> alright then, go for it
[05:09] <davy> k
[05:11] <KillerSmurf> anyone?
[05:11] <abarbaccia> nickrud, that is only the current packages, i need to downgrade...
[05:11] <JanC> KillerSmurf : mepis is KDE by default, Ubuntu is GNOME
[05:12] <abarbaccia> KillerSmurf, it's a different distro - different management tools, different included software, packages, how its setup - don't know specifics - check out www.distrowatch.com to find out more about distros
[05:13] <KillerSmurf> cool... Like I said I'm new to linux....  I have no Idea about gnome ... or KDE either...
[05:13] <nickrud> abarbaccia, the warty ones are there too, I think. I miss archive.debian.org :)
[05:13] <abarbaccia> i hear ya on that
[05:13] <JanC> KDE & GNOME are different desktop environments
[05:13] <KillerSmurf> yes the GUI
[05:14] <borgista> A quick question: How well does let's say Linksys WiFi stuff work in Hoary? Anyone have any experiences to share? PM me please.
[05:14] <KillerSmurf> but I'm just woundering if there bis something like synaptic on ubantu
[05:14] <JanC> yes
[05:14] <JanC> synaptic + an automatic update checker
[05:14] <dcraven> borgista, I think the Linksys wifis will work with ndiswrapper. Check ndiswrapper.sf.net to be sure.
[05:15] <nickrud> If i hadn't put this on a small partition, I'd tell apt to not delete old packages :)
[05:15] <borgista> thank you dcraven
[05:15] <dcraven> borgista, np.
[05:15] <KillerSmurf> cool Jan... the install cd is coming down...
[05:15] <dcraven> Is Mepis Debian based as well?
[05:15] <borgista> yes dcraven
[05:15] <KillerSmurf> yes dc
[05:16] <holycow> dc, most distros are :)
[05:16] <Quest-Master> How do I get to my floppy disk?
[05:16] <borgista> holycow: they are?
[05:16] <KillerSmurf> I was told most of the good distro's are mepis based.  Is this true?
[05:16] <holycow> all the knoppix, gnoppix ... etc
[05:16] <borgista> i always thought otherwise.
[05:16] <KillerSmurf> debian
[05:16] <holycow> linspire, xandros
[05:16] <dcraven> Quest-Master, do you have a /media/floppy or something like that?
[05:16] <Quest-Master> Hmm
[05:16] <holycow> etc.
[05:17] <KillerSmurf> not mepis
[05:17] <abarbaccia> fthis - i'm going into windows to use bluetooth - god dammit - i was on a 6month absense
[05:17] <GUISlave> linspire should be linux.
[05:17] <dcraven> Quest-Master, if you do, then you can mount that.
[05:17] <GUISlave> shouldn't*
[05:17] <holycow> mepis is debian based KillerSmurf
[05:17] <borgista> Linspire has it's place. But this isn't the place for flaming.
[05:17] <GUISlave> Sure it is.
[05:17] <Quest-Master> dcraven: It doesn't automagically mount? Project Utopia?
[05:17] <dcraven> KillerSmurf, that's a matter of opinion. You are asking a biased crowd.
[05:17] <GUISlave> Linspire has it's place...in the trash bin.
[05:18] <GUISlave> :)
[05:18] <JanC> Quest-Master : only if you floppy drive supports it (which most don't
[05:18] <dcraven> Quest-Master, I dunno. No floppy here. Project No Floppy. ;P
[05:18] <pantz> scott, sorry i don't know about those types of files - i would trying gunzipping them though to see if that helps
[05:18] <JanC> the floppy drive doesn't tell the OS there is a new floppy
[05:18] <pantz> scott, maybe they aren't seen coz they are in a .gz archive
[05:18] <Quest-Master> Anyone know how to mount it then?
[05:18] <holycow> places, computer
[05:18] <holycow> right click on floppy, mount
[05:19] <nickrud> http://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=independence is pretty interesting, who's bases on who
[05:19] <KillerSmurf> thanks dcraven ;>
[05:19] <EmergeTW> has anyone setup a video capture card in Ubuntu?
[05:19] <JanC> Quest-Master : there is a panel applet which is very handy for this
[05:19] <dcraven> KillerSmurf, I think Debian is certainly a strong general choice.
[05:20] <holycow> btw, that list is wrong
[05:20] <holycow> knoppix belongs in the debian column
[05:20] <holycow> all of that is debian based
[05:20] <KillerSmurf> for a noob like me???? <dccraven>
[05:20] <dcraven> KillerSmurf, especially for a 'noob' like you :)
[05:20] <KillerSmurf> lol
[05:21] <KillerSmurf> what is the main diffence between KDE and Gnome>
[05:21] <dcraven> KillerSmurf, I have no doubt that you'll like Ubuntu very much.
[05:21] <nickrud> well, they also split out mandrake from redhat. I guess there's a reason.
[05:21] <JanC> KillerSmurf : taste & distaste
[05:21] <borgista> I agree with JanC
[05:21] <JanC> both say the other is the distaste
[05:21] <KillerSmurf> distaste?
[05:22] <KillerSmurf> lol
[05:22] <holycow> also morphix is debian based
[05:22] <KillerSmurf> rofl
[05:22] <holycow> that belongs in the debian column
[05:22] <dcraven> KillerSmurf, they are different in alot of ways. You should probably Google for that. You'll have years worth of debates to read up on... hehe
[05:22] <holycow> so about 3/4rs are debian based according to that list
[05:22] <nicedreams> How do you enable swat in Ubuntu?  I installed it and I'm trying to access it from my other machine next to it.
[05:22] <holycow> nicedreams, you can't
[05:22] <holycow> swap is non accessible to user
[05:22] <RibbitFrog> greetings friends
[05:22] <JanC> knoppix is no more debian based than mandrake is redhat based  :)
[05:22] <KillerSmurf> k my install cd is doen.... is there an irc client installed by default?
[05:23] <nicedreams> holycow: what do you mean?
[05:23] <SkyNet> yes KillerSmurf
[05:23] <KillerSmurf> great... see you all after the install
[05:23] <JanC> KillerSmurf : there are at least 2 : XChat & irssi
[05:24] <JanC> (and maybe gaim can do IRC too?)
[05:24] <KillerSmurf> bbl
[05:24] <dcraven> KillerSmurf, good luck.
[05:24] <nicedreams> How do you enable swat in Ubuntu?  I installed it and I'm trying to access it from my other machine next to it.
[05:25] <dcraven> I think he's ignoring you holycow.
[05:25] <holycow> no i'm googling
[05:26] <holycow> nicedreams, you keep on saying swat, you mean swap right?
[05:26] <dcraven> ahhh
[05:26] <nicedreams> SWAT
[05:26] <nicedreams> samba swat
[05:26] <nomasteryoda> swat for configuring smb from browser
[05:26] <holycow> oh samba thing!
[05:26] <holycow> ah!
[05:26] <nicedreams> port 901 is setup, but I can't access it
[05:26] <holycow> haha
[05:26] <dcraven> heh
[05:26] <holycow> sorry :)
[05:26] <nicedreams> lol
[05:26] <nicedreams> np
[05:26] <holycow> i thought you were asking some silly question about accessing your swap partition
[05:27] <holycow> anywhoo ....
[05:27] <holycow> :)
[05:27] <nicedreams> np
[05:27] <dcraven> That's where all my mp3s are.
[05:27] <nicedreams> any idea's though?
[05:27] <holycow> are you typing in https://ipaddress:1000?
[05:27] <nicedreams> http://192.168.2.15:901
[05:27] <dcraven> nicedreams, no samba here.. Not much help  :(
[05:27] <nicedreams> https doesn't work either
[05:27] <holycow> oh swat is separate
[05:28] <nicedreams> I can make it work in debian but not ubuntu
[05:28] <nicedreams> :(
[05:28] <nomasteryoda> nicedreams, permissons
[05:28] <nicedreams> permissons to what?
[05:28] <nicedreams> I can use webmin from my other machine, but not swat
[05:28] <nomasteryoda> does swat work on the system you have it on?
[05:29] <nicedreams> dunno...i don't have x installed on it
[05:29] <nicedreams> it's a vpn/file server
[05:29] <mitch_> how can i get sound to work with my avi's? i downloaded all the w32 and gstreamer codecs
[05:29] <nicedreams> and I want swat for the customer
[05:29] <nomasteryoda> lol
[05:29] <nomasteryoda> well, you could try lynx
[05:29] <nicedreams> lol
[05:29] <nomasteryoda> =)
[05:29] <nicedreams> i'll try to see if it work locally
[05:29] <nomasteryoda> k
[05:29] <holycow> it sounds maybe like you haveto modify iptables?
[05:30] <holycow> i havent looked into iptables on ubuntu and what rules are setup
[05:30] <nomasteryoda> ubuntu does not have a firewall by default
[05:30] <holycow> i thought iptables were configged?
[05:30] <holycow> k
[05:30] <nicedreams> I get connection refussed using links from the machine running it also
[05:30] <nicedreams> arg
[05:31] <nomasteryoda> nicedreams, it is permissions
[05:31] <nomasteryoda> just sec
[05:31] <nomasteryoda> had same issue on suse
[05:31] <nicedreams> nomasteryoda: what permissions should I check?
[05:31] <nomasteryoda> sec.....
[05:32] <mitch_> how can i get sound to work with my avi's? i downloaded all the w32 and gstreamer codecs
[05:34] <QMario> Is everyone asleep?
[05:34] <dcraven> nicedreams, I'm seeing that Swat assumes root priveleges, so to make it work you need to enable the root account (sudo passwd root) and give it a root password.
[05:34] <nomasteryoda> no,... googling
[05:34] <nomasteryoda> no
[05:35] <dcraven> nicedreams, that was from the forum... So I dunno.
[05:35] <nomasteryoda> you can add the user you are using
[05:35] <nomasteryoda> that should work
[05:35] <nomasteryoda> looking
[05:35] <nicedreams> I have root enabled....I hate sudu
[05:35] <dcraven> nicedreams, I honestly don't even know what Swat is.
[05:35] <nicedreams> dcraven: swat is a web based gui for samba
[05:35] <nomasteryoda> www.samba.org
[05:35] <QMario> Can anyone one of you give me the names of the users in #PERL?
[05:35] <dcraven> nicedreams, Ahh.. I see.
[05:35] <nicedreams> i'm on samba.org, but they don't make swat.  I can make it work in debian just fine, but I can't in ubuntu
[05:35] <grumpysmurf> why hate something that forces you to practice good behaviour
[05:36] <nicedreams> I don't know why, but I've followed all the how to's
[05:36] <dcraven> QMario, /who #perl?
[05:36] <nomasteryoda> nicedreams, let me check my other machine's history
[05:37] <GammaRay> the mouse pointer flickers when I scroll? can that be stopped?
[05:37] <dcraven> grumpysmurf, maybe it's the word "forces" that he doesn't like?
[05:37] <nicedreams> thx nomasteryoda
[05:37] <QMario> dcraven, where do I type in the command?
[05:37] <dcraven> QMario, same place you just typed that.
[05:37] <dcraven> QMario, they ban you? heh
[05:38] <QMario> Yes
[05:38] <nomasteryoda> nicedreams, smbpasswd -a root
[05:38] <dcraven> Bad QMario.
[05:38] <nomasteryoda> as root
[05:38] <_SMP_> does the gweather applet work for anyone under hoary? mine seems to be broken
[05:38] <QMario> It said no such command.
[05:38] <GammaRay> how would I change to a more plain mouse pointer?
[05:38] <nomasteryoda> maybe that will help
[05:38] <QMario> All I did was just stand up for Jesus.
[05:38] <dcraven> QMario, no such command as /who?
[05:38] <QMario> There's no reason to ban anyone from that. :(
[05:38] <nomasteryoda> GammaRay, hoary?
[05:38] <QMario> Yes, no such command.
[05:38] <_SMP_> doesn't seem to recognize my location, I just get DEFAULT_LOCATION
[05:39] <nicedreams> nomasteryoda: still says connection refused to http://192.168.2.15:901
[05:39] <dcraven> QMario, I'm not sure standing up for Jesus is a relevent topic in that channel.
[05:39] <GammaRay> nomasteryoda: yes
[05:39] <QMario> Well, it was the right thing to do. :)
[05:39] <QMario> who
[05:39] <dcraven> QMario, I think some folks don't think much of Jesus, so as you well know, you should be careful :)
[05:39] <nomasteryoda> GammaRay, under System/Preferences/Cursor selection
[05:40] <QMario> It was well worth it though.
[05:40] <nomasteryoda> getting banned? ok
[05:40] <QMario> Jesus said that those who are persecuted for his sake will inherit the Kingdom of Heaven. :-D
[05:41] <dcraven> QMario, okay okay...
[05:41] <QMario> Still, the "/who" command does not work.
[05:42] <dcraven> QMario, interesting. Maybe the server you're on is broke.
[05:42] <GammaRay> nomasteryoda: I've found that but I all I see are variations on the default
[05:42] <QMario> Can you type in /who for me?
[05:43] <dcraven> QMario, I'll not assist in your religious intervention of the #perl moderators.
[05:43] <davy> well, I got ndiswrapper installed and working.. I see wlan0 in 'ifconfig -a'  it also shows up in system->network and KDE's control center, but it will not find a DHCP address.. mynetwork is wide open and I'm on my other laptop here and it's on fine
[05:43] <QMario> What do you mean?
[05:43] <nomasteryoda> GammaRay, did you add the other sources like universe
[05:44] <dcraven> QMario, you got banned for a reason. Harassing the mods will not help your cause.
[05:44] <QMario> Well, at least I was able to print over the network from Windows to Linux. :-D
[05:44] <nomasteryoda> davy, did you select it in the box at the bottm... gateway?
[05:44] <nomasteryoda> hoary that is
[05:44] <dcraven> davy, what chipset?
[05:44] <GammaRay> nomasteryoda: yea I have that
[05:45] <nomasteryoda> let me look to
[05:45] <davy> broadcom BCM94306.. same as this laptop
[05:45] <davy> (D800 and trying to set up D810)
[05:45] <QMario> Bye everyone. :)
[05:45] <nicedreams> i think i found my swat problem
[05:45] <nomasteryoda> GammaRay, did you see the Artwiz
[05:45] <nomasteryoda> good
[05:45] <nomasteryoda> host issue?
[05:45] <dcraven> davy, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=25683&highlight=broadcom+sed
[05:46] <nicedreams> there is a second file that has swat disabled, but I guess only ubuntu has
[05:46] <davy> ifdown wlan0 ; ifup wlan0  just shows it time out trying to do severl DHCP requests
[05:46] <davy> k, reading
[05:46] <GammaRay> I see artwiz-cursor - Artwiz futuristic mouse cursor for X
[05:46] <nomasteryoda> GammaRay, is that installed?
[05:46] <dcraven> davy, I think the "for" loop in step 3 might be of interest.
[05:47] <davy> k
[05:47] <GammaRay> nomasteryoda: nope
[05:47] <nomasteryoda> that is the one I'm using
[05:47] <nomasteryoda> pretty good, but not like kde
[05:48] <dcraven> davy, otherwise, this is what I did (same chip) --> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SetupNdiswrapperHowto
[05:48] <nomasteryoda> maybe some more are out there... it does have an opton to install
[05:48] <GammaRay> but where is the plain old mouse pointer I'm used to?
[05:48] <nomasteryoda> lol
[05:49] <GammaRay> the simple black w/ a white border
[05:49] <nomasteryoda> er, i guess the boss didn't like it /
[05:49] <nomasteryoda> ik
[05:49] <GammaRay> the real problem is this fancy new theme flickers when I drag a scroll bar
[05:50] <nomasteryoda> ic
[05:50] <dcraven> What mouse cursor does Hoary use by default?
[05:50] <nomasteryoda> a white one
[05:50] <dcraven> The jimmac one?
[05:51] <dcraven> (ie. rotating circle instead of hourglass?)
[05:51] <nomasteryoda> i circle, yes
[05:51] <dcraven> Cool. That's a beaut.
[05:51] <_SMP_> I have a silly question: I'm tracking hoary. Since the release, I have not had to download a single updated package when running apt-get upgrade. That is normal, right?
[05:52] <dcraven> _SMP_, sure. It's stable now.
[05:52] <_SMP_> cheers
[05:52] <kkathman> howdy all :)
[05:52] <dcraven> Hey kkathman
[05:52] <nomasteryoda> my system told me I had one or 2 packages that needed updating
[05:52] <kkathman> hey there dcraven how goes it tonight (or whatever time it is where you are)
[05:52] <nomasteryoda> hoary
[05:53] <dcraven> kkathman, not bad. It has slowed a bit it seems.
[05:53] <kkathman> dcraven yes I noticed that over in #kubuntu also :)
[05:53] <bob2> nomasteryoda: there are of course security updates as needed
[05:53] <nomasteryoda> thanks
[05:54] <dcraven> kkathman, I suppose it's a good thing :)
[05:54] <kkathman> dcraven well you'd think maybe it is...you dabbled with breezy yet at all?
[05:55] <dcraven> kkathman, I'm using it on this machine.
[05:55] <nomasteryoda> hey, I decided to even check out if i could enable dual-head monitors on this laptop... crt out and xinerama work
[05:55] <nomasteryoda> dual booting Dell D505 hoary/suse9.2
[05:56] <nicedreams> how can I view all files in my /etc for a certian word?  I tried 'cat * |grep 901' but it doesn't work right
[05:56] <bzbb> I broke JuK
[05:56] <bob2> nicedreams: grep -r blah /etc/
[05:56] <dcraven> nicedreams, grep -R word /etc
[05:56] <kkathman> dcraven so how are you finding the initial stuff with breezy...can you tell any differences?
[05:56] <nicedreams> thx
[05:57] <dcraven> kkathman, no big noticable differences just yet. I don't recommend it though for a bit unless you know how to fix things that break.
[05:57] <kkathman> dcraven sure that makes sense, and since its pretty new, I'd expect there wouldnt be too many changes yet
[05:57] <bzbb> I changed the outpu in juk to gstreamer and it crashed, now I get a sig 6 everytime I launch it
[05:58] <kkathman> dcraven I talked to someone yesterday that says he's got a cron job running every half hour and getting 50-75 updates per
[05:58] <dcraven> kkathman, there have been changes, just nothing "noticable" for your average user I don't think.
[05:58] <nomasteryoda> sounds like he's using cvs
[05:58] <nomasteryoda> lol
[05:59] <kkathman> dcraven gotcha..I just completed by first large compile today...I downloaded and compiled gimpshop
[05:59] <kkathman> that was a nice little exercise :)
[05:59] <dcraven> Isn't there some type of nettiquette infraction in doing updates every 1/2 hour?
[06:00] <dcraven> kkathman, was it difficult to compile?
[06:00] <nomasteryoda> dcraven, if you average out all the ms updates, they come to about that many....
[06:00] <nomasteryoda> hehe
[06:00] <GammaRay> nomasteryoda: ok artwitz is working for another user but it does not show up in gcursor for either user
[06:00] <kkathman> dcraven well, not really...yanno...you have to chase down a couple of dozen dependencies, but not difficult..i got mine to compile the first time
[06:00] <nomasteryoda> that is odd
[06:00] <dcraven> nomasteryoda, that is no reason to hammer the Ubuntu servers.
[06:01] <GammaRay> nomasteryoda: is there a manual way to change? gconf key?
[06:01] <nomasteryoda> dcraven, lol
[06:01] <nomasteryoda> er, i would think so
[06:01] <GammaRay> oh and artwiz does not flicker
[06:01] <nomasteryoda> most things are in linux
[06:01] <dcraven> GammaRay, is gconf-editor manual?
[06:01] <GammaRay> dcraven: sure if you will tell me which key
[06:02] <dcraven> GammaRay, I don't know what you are talking about.
[06:02] <kakalto> wow
[06:02] <kakalto> wine is easy
[06:02] <kkathman> dcraven if you are interested, I will forward you a list of the dependencies, so you dont have to chase them down...but I cant do that till like Sunday when I get back in town :)
[06:02] <kakalto> it makes me woozy just thinking about it :P
[06:02] <nomasteryoda> GammaRay, maybe it's a bug... mine is that way too... cursors that is
[06:02] <dcraven> kkathman, no thanks. I'm happy with Gimp.
[06:02] <mjc> anyone get mythtv running on ubuntu?
[06:02] <nomasteryoda> it is referencing the ./icons folder
[06:02] <nomasteryoda> er, ~/.icons
[06:03] <nomasteryoda> which is empty on my user
[06:03] <nomasteryoda> but in my other one
[06:03] <mjc> curious is all
[06:03] <kkathman> dcraven okie dokie ... I am miuch happier with gimp with the new stuff..since I came from Photoshop
[06:03] <nomasteryoda> kkathman, did you see the toilet paper template in Gimp?
[06:03] <nomasteryoda> for real
[06:04] <kkathman> nope havent seen that :)
[06:04] <nomasteryoda> file,new, from template, there it is.. lol
[06:04] <kkathman> I'll check that out :)
[06:04] <yoink23> excuse me, does anyone know how to keep my monitor from turning off after a lot of inactivity?
[06:04] <kkathman> Ive been able now to divorce myself about 95% from my windows box
[06:05] <yoink23> bc i can't get it to turn back on after that
[06:05] <dcraven> nomasteryoda, haha.. That's funny.
[06:05] <nomasteryoda> kkathman, congratulations/
[06:05] <nomasteryoda> me too
[06:05] <nomasteryoda> those Wilbur and Sons are too funny
[06:06] <kkathman> I still have to use it for some productivity things that I use in my web business, such as Flash for instance
[06:06] <yoink23> just a test....does anyone hear me? you dont have to answer my question, just aknowledge me
[06:06] <dcraven> yoink23, Screensaver under preferences.
[06:06] <kkathman> I see ya yoink23
[06:06] <yoink23> k, thanks
[06:06] <dcraven> yoink23, advanced tab.
[06:06] <yoink23> the grey in xchat made me think i wasnt being seen
[06:06] <yoink23> k, thanks dcraven
[06:07] <dcraven> yoink23, anytime.
[06:07] <kkathman> dcraven I could never get screen savers to come on
[06:07] <GammaRay> ok it seem /desktop/gnome/peripherals/mouse/cursor_theme
[06:07] <GammaRay> is the key
[06:07] <kkathman> dcraven I set it up to activate after 30 minutes, but it always goes blank instead
[06:07] <GammaRay> literally
[06:07] <kakalto> is there a way of giving wine some decent themes?
[06:08] <dcraven> kkathman, check your "Mode" in the Screensaver window.
[06:08] <dcraven> kakalto, wine theme?
[06:08] <kakalto> like, in win programs
[06:09] <kkathman> dcraven Wine is funny....I couldnt get the msi to work at all
[06:09] <dcraven> kkathman, what is msi?
[06:09] <kkathman> kakalto, to my knowledge there isnt a theme for wine
[06:09] <MyNameIsChris> dcraven, Microsoft Installer Thingy
[06:09] <kkathman> dcraven msi is the microsoft installer, used by many disks to install their program
[06:10] <kakalto> kkathman, I wouldn't be surprised
[06:10] <dcraven> kkathman, is that new with Windows XP or something? I don't remember msi.
[06:10] <kakalto> msi is quite new.
[06:10] <kakalto> it might be XP
[06:11] <yoink23> dcraven, my power management stuff is greyed out, is that what you were talking about?
[06:11] <dcraven> Yet another patented format no doubt...
[06:11] <yoink23> the problem isnt that it turns off, btw, its that it doesnt turn back on
[06:12] <pr3vi0uz> is  there diffrents  between live cd and installed  cause i have no sound
[06:12] <dcraven> yoink23, yeah that's what I meant. Try disabling the screen saver in the other tab.
[06:13] <dcraven> yoink23, next time (if it happens again) have a look at the Xorg log file to see if there is an issue in there.
[06:13] <yoink23> dcraven, still gray
[06:13] <yoink23> k, well it happens every time i leave the computer for an extended time
[06:13] <yoink23> where is that log?
[06:14] <MyNameIsChris> yoink23, /var/log/X11
[06:14] <dcraven> yoink23, /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[06:14] <MyNameIsChris> Whatever
[06:14] <MyNameIsChris> I was close
[06:14] <MyNameIsChris> Oh, it is etc that has the X11 directory
[06:15] <dcraven> yoink23, if you disable the screensaver, the power management will still be greyed out, but your machine might not freeze after an hour of idle either.
[06:15] <stevenj> anyone know if Hoary will upgrade to Openoffice 2 with having to remove OO 1.1 and removing the ubuntu desktop?
[06:15] <nomasteryoda> I installed it today
[06:16] <nomasteryoda> using apt...
[06:16] <nomasteryoda> looks like it did
[06:16] <dcraven> stevenj, I doubt it. You can remove that stuff without much difficulty though.
[06:16] <nomasteryoda> stevenj, oops
[06:16] <nomasteryoda> 1.1.x is still there too
[06:16] <nomasteryoda> right beside it
[06:17] <k-otik> does ubuntu have the ability to create a boot disk?
[06:17] <stevenj> dcraven, looks as though when I tell it to remove games or OO 1.1 it wants to uninstall ubuntu desktop-I read updates will not work without ubuntu desktop
[06:17] <nomasteryoda> ah, what a nice dependancy
[06:17] <davy> oh great, now  every time I go into admin mode in kde's control center .. I enter my password and a few seconds later it acts like whatever it was spawning died
[06:18] <nomasteryoda> isn't kde great...
[06:18] <nomasteryoda> lol
[06:18] <dcraven> steved, well I'm not an expert, but I don't think you'll have a huge difficulty with updates without ubuntu-desktop. For example, I uninstalled that package long ago.
[06:18] <k-otik> how do i make a boot disk?
[06:18] <pr3vi0uz> music player cant play stream audio?
[06:18] <nomasteryoda> pr3vi0uz, did you try mp3s?
[06:19] <kkathman> kaffeine plays streaming audio tho
[06:19] <pr3vi0uz> nope idont have any  would it play on ice cast?
[06:20] <ciocanel> k-otik, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RescueDiskHowto
[06:21] <stevenj> oops maybe I'm wrong....looking closer I think it just game data that uses ubuntu desktop...has anyone uninstalled OO 1.1?
[06:21] <nickrud> pr3vi0uz, I click in shoutcast.com and it plays in music player
[06:21] <pr3vi0uz>  nope no luck but i always have probs under live cds but onces i do an hardinstall everything works
[06:22] <pr3vi0uz>  i have no sound
[06:22] <dcraven> stevenj, I have uninstalled OpenOffice.
[06:22] <nickrud> pr3vi0uz, have you tried system->multimedia->test?
[06:23] <setuid> Are there any Ubuntu developers here working on a PPC64 port? I'd like to speak to you about possibly helping us on an advisory council..
[06:23] <davy> wifi still not working, in iwconfig on my working computer Access Point is something, in my new computer it's all zeros.. (same chipset).. would that be why it's not pulling DHCP?
[06:23] <pr3vi0uz> nope
[06:23] <davy> or does it get that when it does
[06:23] <dcraven> davy, it get's that when it does.
[06:23] <davy> I'm pretty sure that ndiswrapper is working okay becase iwconfig is pulling all sorts of info
[06:24] <davy> ok
[06:24] <dcraven> davy, that thread didn't help?
[06:24] <nomasteryoda> pr3vi0uz, look at this page...http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats/view?searchterm=mp3%20hoary
[06:24] <davy> well I followed the directions but the results are the same
[06:24] <davy> was using 0.12 of ndiswrapper, now using latest of 1.1
[06:24] <dcraven> davy, and the Howto on the wiki?
[06:24] <evilmegaman> how do I unmount a cd drive when a program is using it? (installing a game here)
[06:25] <setuid> evilmegaman: you can't
[06:25] <indigirl1> hey ubuntu is very pleasant distribution
[06:25] <indigirl1> congrats
[06:25] <setuid> You can't cut the branch you're standing on
[06:25] <davy> anyes
[06:25] <kkathman> indigirl1:  yes it is...welcome to the family :)
[06:25] <evilmegaman> what? Then How am I supposed to install the game. I have done it before....
[06:25] <nomasteryoda> davy, i am using ndiswrapper 1.2rc
[06:25] <davy> it's the same problem as here  http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1254.html
[06:26] <davy> I'll try taht
[06:26] <setuid> If a process has the resource marked as in-use, you can't unmount it.
[06:26] <dcraven> evilmegaman, if you cd'd to the CD before running the game installer, then you can't.
[06:26] <setuid> But you could try... umount /dev/hdc
[06:27] <GammaRay> is it just me or does nautilus now close the previous window when I open a new folder?
[06:27] <dcraven> davy, hmmm.. That wiki howto worked on the same chipset you have.
[06:27] <nomasteryoda> GammaRay, yes...me too
[06:27] <dcraven> GammaRay, it's all of us.
[06:27] <nomasteryoda> odd waste of resources
[06:27] <stevenj> dcraven, did you uninstall ubuntu desktop? what does it do?
[06:27] <AcidWolf> i got a file thats in .RAR format when i try to extract it i get an error message saying unsuported Archive format
[06:27] <GammaRay> well I really like the new behavior
[06:27] <AcidWolf> does Ubuntu not support it
[06:27] <dcraven> GammaRay, if you want the old behavior back, set /apps/nautilus/general/no_ubuntu_spatial to true in gconf.
[06:28] <dcraven> stevenj, yes I did, and nothing that I'm aware of.
[06:28] <nomasteryoda> AcidWolf, look in universe
[06:28] <AcidWolf> yes nomasteryoda but what am i supposed to be looking for
[06:28] <nomasteryoda> AcidWolf, if you are using hoary... just add
[06:28] <GammaRay> dcraven: well this isn't exacty spatial mode I'm talking about
[06:28] <dcraven> acidburn_, unrar is in the repo.
[06:28] <nomasteryoda> in the package installer synaptic
[06:28] <AcidWolf> ty
[06:28] <dcraven> GammaRay, I know what you are talking about.
[06:28] <stevenj> dcraven, thanks
[06:29] <dcraven> GammaRay, I think.
[06:29] <nnonix> test, ignore me
[06:30] <AcidWolf> ok i unrar installed but now how do you use it cause right click and extract here still give error message
[06:30] <dcraven> GammaRay, oh, and it's /apps/nautilus/preferences/no_ubuntu_spatial...
[06:30] <nomasteryoda> 'man unrar' for the directons
[06:30] <GammaRay> dcraven: gnome 2.8 used to keep the old folder open when you double left clicked on a folder.. 2.10 seems to close the old one
[06:31] <AcidWolf> ty
[06:31] <dr_willis> dont click. AcidWolf  use the shell. :P
[06:31] <GammaRay> dcraven: 2.8 would only do this if I double middle clicked
[06:31] <dcraven> GammaRay, 2.10 does the same as 2.8, unless you are using Ubuntu.
[06:31] <k-otik> is there something equivalent to hyperterminal for ubuntu?
[06:31] <k-otik> that lets you dial into something?
[06:31] <yoink23> dcraven, thanks for the advice
[06:31] <GammaRay> so this is a ubuntu patch? a backport maybe?
[06:32] <linuxn00b> Hi, i'm having troubles with enemy territory, the game starts but the games closes with no errors, it was working today
[06:32] <dcraven> GammaRay, Ubuntu patch.
[06:33] <AcidWolf> brb
[06:34] <dcraven> yoink23, no problem.
[06:35] <MyNameIsChris> kkathman, Aren't they called logs?
[06:35] <kkathman> awww dcraven :(
[06:36] <nomasteryoda> kkathman, if you do it on a website, then maybe the world can benefit
[06:36] <nomasteryoda> =)
[06:36] <dcraven> kkathman, do you keep a Windows Journal?
[06:36] <kkathman> MyNameIsChris well do you know how many logs there are in Linux
[06:36] <kkathman> dcraven no, but everytime I install a program I do a system restore point too
[06:36] <k-otik> \
[06:36] <kkathman> so I can get back to where I was before I installed it
[06:36] <dcraven> kkathman, that's because it's Windows.
[06:36] <kkathman> well YAH
[06:37] <kkathman> its smart management
[06:37] <dcraven> kkathman, whatever works.
[06:37] <rerun> sorry this is gonna be long -->
[06:37] <dcraven> :)
[06:37] <rerun> I have a huge old 21" CRT that isn't giving me more than 1024x768 in warty... I have been messing with the xorg.conf for a while now... and I'm still not there. :( I have an ATI card and I've appropriately installed the drivers for it. I've read several howtos when it comes to ATI and changing resolution... but it seems to boil down to the fact that my conf doesn't have the proper vertical / horizontal sync / refresh data for my monitor. I got
[06:37] <rerun> that info from the manufacturer--- and when I put it into the conf -- BING! We get beautiful 1600x1200 res! But when I login, I get total wicked distortion, like craaazy diagonal blocks.
[06:37] <rerun>  <-- like I said, sorry!
[06:38] <dcraven> I gotta go to bed. G'nite all.
[06:38] <kkathman> night :)
[06:38] <kkathman> whew he left quick
[06:39] <nomasteryoda> rerun, is the monitor on prior to booting?
[06:39] <rerun> yes
[06:39] <nomasteryoda> ok
[06:39] <mainer> yoink23 ,sounds like lock-protectd screensver
[06:39] <nomasteryoda> i have issue with hoary changing resolutons on my
[06:40] <nomasteryoda> monitors... if they are off before booting.
[06:40] <nomasteryoda> lol
[06:40] <rerun> oh---- wait a second!
[06:40] <rerun> I have a KVM... maybe that's contributing...?
[06:40] <nomasteryoda> yup
[06:40] <nomasteryoda> usb?
[06:40] <rerun> no
[06:40] <nomasteryoda> belkin?
[06:40] <rerun> dlink
[06:40] <nomasteryoda> ah
[06:40] <nomasteryoda> might just be it tho
[06:41] <nomasteryoda> i had issues with mine
[06:41] <nomasteryoda> linksys
[06:41] <rerun> okay -- i'm in the chan on my lappy too.... re|run
[06:41] <rerun> brb....
[06:41] <re|run> sup
[06:41] <re|run> let me try that
[06:41] <nomasteryoda> k
[06:41] <tux_> alguien sabe como instalar quake 3 enlinux
[06:42] <nomasteryoda> tux_, no english?
[06:42] <nomasteryoda> er, no habla english>
[06:42] <tux_> AYUDENME A INSTALAR QUAKE 3 EN LINUX POR FA
[06:43] <nomasteryoda> ok, don't have to yell
[06:43] <nomasteryoda> por favor
[06:43] <nomasteryoda> ok
[06:43] <SLaPoet> tux needs help installing quake 3 for linux
[06:43] <SLaPoet> ?
[06:43] <tux_> YES
[06:43] <yoink23> apparently its urgent
[06:43] <SLaPoet> que es problema?
[06:43] <kkathman> right I got that :)
[06:43] <SLaPoet> lol
[06:44] <Jeezis> is there a better wireless client for ubuntu other than kwifimanager?
[06:44] <kkathman> tux_ try wine :)
[06:44] <guruff> lool; where is gnome menu stored ?
[06:44] <SLaPoet> kkathman, he doesn't need wine
[06:44] <kkathman> ahh ok
[06:44] <SLaPoet> tux_,  un momento por favor
[06:45] <holycow> Amaranth, my thx for the gnome menu editor once again
[06:45] <holycow> lovely work :)
[06:45] <SLaPoet> tux_ tiene quake 3 por windows?
[06:45] <aws> Jeezis - I run the stock desktop and the network app works fine w/orinoco
[06:45] <re|run> nomasteryoda: that was it.
[06:46] <nomasteryoda> good
[06:46] <re|run> but any workaround with that?
[06:46] <nomasteryoda> er, not that I know of
[06:46] <SLaPoet> i guess tux_ didn't have time to wait.
[06:46] <re|run> didn't think so... hmm.
[06:46] <nomasteryoda> just have to make sure the ubuntu box boots with monitor
[06:46] <nomasteryoda> on
[06:46] <re|run> but the weird thing is that when it gets to the login screen, it's happy with 1600x1200...
[06:47] <re|run> so X is okay with it at first...
[06:47] <nomasteryoda> seems that xorg is getting some plug-play stuff
[06:47] <nomasteryoda> slowly
[06:47] <nomasteryoda> yea
[06:47] <re|run> okey-dokey... well, it's great to have identified it so quick. thanks a ton, man.
[06:48] <Jeezis> aws: what is orinoco? i just looked on synaptic and it doesnt have it
[06:48] <nomasteryoda> re|run, np man
[06:49] <nomasteryoda> glad to help
[06:49] <nomasteryoda> I just got my dual monitor mode working on this laptop
[06:49] <nomasteryoda> ... with hoary
[06:49] <nomasteryoda> decided to give it a try
[06:50] <re|run> :)
[06:50] <Jeezis> how do i get kwifimanager to switch channels? its on channel 6 and i need it to be on channel 11
[06:50] <aws> It's the wireless PCMCIA card I have.
[06:51] <Jeezis> aws: ah, i'm using a built in mini-pci card
[06:53] <aws> I have a Compaq nc6000 with a builtin atheros but Ubuntu won't make it pick up any AP's
[06:53] <guruff> i need some help; i have installed skype it uses qt; and looks heaps ugly, how can i change theme qt uses?
[06:54] <nomasteryoda> aws, did you choose the ath0 as the default gateway device in the control applet?
[06:55] <nomasteryoda> aws, i have used my atheros pcmcia cards on ubuntu
[06:55] <nnonix> test, ignore please
[06:57] <nomasteryoda> time for sleep
[06:57] <nomasteryoda> nite .. or greetings.. ubuntu
[07:00] <aws> nite
[07:02] <dr_willis> Hmm. I installed java.. java -version works .. firefox isent seeing it.. bother..
[07:02] <Codyman> anyone here pretty good at C++?
[07:03] <discord> dr_willis, you have to install the plugin
[07:03] <discord> for firefox
[07:03] <dr_willis> discord,  aha..
[07:03] <dr_willis> ok.. just saw it at the ubuntu guide.
[07:03] <discord> oh
[07:03] <kakalto> what happens if I run the directX 9 installer under wine?
[07:03] <discord> anyone know if hoary supports wirless cards on laptops
[07:04] <discord> specifically prism2 pcmcia  cards
[07:04] <discord> using either the wlan-ng driver
[07:04] <discord> or the hostap driver
[07:04] <isai> hi
[07:04] <discord> ?
[07:04] <isai> how do I watch mpegs movies?
[07:04] <GammaRay> it would be very strange if it didn't support prism2
[07:04] <kakalto> can I mount nrg images with mount iso ?
[07:04] <discord> yeah i just did a hoary
[07:04] <discord> install
[07:04] <discord> i dont think its working
[07:04] <dr_willis> there are nrg to iso converters out. I belive.
[07:05] <discord> maybe i have to get a package
[07:06] <kakalto> dr_willis, are you trying to suggest that the package "nrg2iso" doesn't exist?
[07:06] <kakalto> :P
[07:06] <dr_willis> kakalto,  there is nero for linux now also. :P
[07:07] <dr_willis> kakalto,  busy fighting with java at the moment. :P
[07:07] <discord> boo
[07:07] <discord> xcdroast is pretty nice
[07:07] <kakalto> nero for linux is bad at the moment, I hear
[07:07] <kakalto> plus, I have OEM
[07:07] <kakalto> so I can't get it
[07:07] <cikilin> where is back in ubuntu?
[07:07] <discord> yeah it cost $$$
[07:07] <kakalto> and I can just convert nrg2iso then use k3b :P
[07:07] <nickrud> dr_willis, take a look at java-package in multiverse. Makes it all a snap
[07:08] <isai> will mplayer work?
[07:08] <espiem> hello all
[07:08] <kakalto> me is thanking whoever made nrg2iso!
[07:08] <espiem> I need some help regarding how to install additional application in linux
[07:08] <dr_willis> nickrud,  yea - my sources didekt have all the sources mentioned in the ubuntu guide.
[07:08] <kakalto> espiem, what program?
[07:09] <kakalto> what command can I use to mount an iso?
[07:09] <espiem> kakalto, I just download a file name bla bla with rpm extension
[07:10] <cikilin> can anybody want to tell me where is 'back' when i browse a folder?
[07:10] <discord> anyone have a prism2 card in their laptop
[07:10] <discord> ?
[07:10] <dr_willis> kakalto,  its the normal mount command - but some how you use a loopback option i recall.
[07:10] <dr_willis> :P
[07:10] <b2s> cikilin: the backspace key should work
[07:10] <dr_willis> actually i think in kde and gnome you can just click on them now a days. lol
[07:10] <kakalto> espiem, either try to get a deb version of it
[07:11] <kakalto> espiem, or "sudo apt-get install alien"
[07:11] <b2s> kakalto: mount /path/to/file.iso /path/to/mount/point -o loop,ro
[07:11] <kakalto> espiem, then use alien to change the rpm to deb
[07:12] <espiem> kalkalto, i'm a newbies. should i go to root or what?
[07:12] <cikilin> b2s: only backspace?
[07:12] <kakalto> espiem, first, "sudo apt-get install alien", sudo = root, alien = the program
[07:13] <kakalto> (in a terminal)
[07:13] <b2s> cikilin: its what I normally use
[07:13] <kakalto> then "sudo alien /path/to/rpm/file", I think that's all
[07:13] <cikilin> k
[07:13] <nickrud> cikilin, ciick the folder name in the lower left status bar
[07:13] <nickrud> suprise!
[07:14] <espiem> kalkalto, thanks. I'll try
[07:14] <b2s> nickrud: ah yes, of course, I forgot about that
[07:14] <kakalto> is iso9660 cd?
[07:14] <cikilin> ?
[07:14] <nickrud> b2s, I'm a wannabe a keyboard jockey, but the mouse is still nice
[07:15] <b2s> nickrud: I went through half of 1996 without a mouse because mine broke or something
[07:15] <cikilin> nickrud: in the lower left status bar?
[07:15] <nickrud> cikilin, the bottom left of the folder window
[07:15] <b2s> cikilin: yes, at the bottom of the window it lists the name of the current folder.  click on that.
[07:15] <cikilin> aaaaaa
[07:16] <cikilin> that i am doing
[07:16] <nickrud> b2s, from about 1990 to 2000 I was computer free; burnout
[07:16] <cikilin> but i want a quick command
[07:16] <b2s> cikilin: then press the backspace key
[07:16] <nickrud> cikilin, I don't know anything faster than backspace
[07:17] <XplOzIon> hi all
[07:17] <cikilin> k
[07:17] <cikilin> 10x
[07:17] <k-otik> does kde have a 'device manager' equivalent?
[07:17] <k-otik> to gnome?
[07:17] <b2s> hi XplOzIon.  camera working yet?
[07:18] <nickrud> cikilin, the alt up,down also work nicely
[07:18] <cikilin> better backspace
[07:19] <nicedreams> how can I have my joypad bridge both the analong stick and the digital pad so they work regardless of which one I use?
[07:19] <b2s> nickrud: good one, I didn't know about that.  the only reason I know backspace is because it works in windows too
[07:19] <XplOzIon> hi b2s, well i had to work on another computer, install windows updating, etc... so didnt try anyhting else for the camera to work
[07:20] <dr_willis> nicedreams,  Hmm.. Mine does work that way.
[07:20] <devazion> nickrud: to what?
[07:20] <k-otik> how cani check what com port my modem is in kubuntu?
[07:20] <dr_willis> nicedreams,  it may depend on the game and gamepad to some degree
[07:20] <cikilin> on the ide where i have install ubuntu i cant install xp
[07:20] <cikilin> why?
[07:20] <k-otik> i can't figure it out
[07:20] <nickrud> all the keyboard shortcuts in gtk and gnome
[07:21] <devazion> here's one for all of you: http://members.cox.net/pfiore7/nerd.jpg
[07:21] <nicedreams> dr_willis: I have a logitech dual action joy and only one works or the other
[07:21] <nicedreams> anything I can do to fix that
[07:21] <XplOzIon> cikilin, did you leave a partition for win?
[07:21] <dr_willis> echo "atdt123" > /dev/XXXXX        *i forget the com port names! Argh*
[07:21] <cikilin> no
[07:22] <XplOzIon> cikilin, well u need another partition to install windows if you want to install it on the same hdd
[07:22] <nicedreams> dr_willis: do you know the joy commands so I can try to set them?  When I use Freevo, only the analong stick works and I want the directional pad
[07:22] <b2s> cikilin: yeah, windows is dumb and can't repartion stuff like linux can.  usually I set up xp first, then linux
[07:22] <isai> just installed ubuntu on my laptop. I have already gotten the dvd playback to work; but still can't playback mpg files. What program do I need?
[07:23] <cikilin> XplOzIon:i got another ide and this one with ubuntu i cant use it anymore
[07:23] <dr_willis> nicedreams,  no idea. I got a cheap PS2 style gamepad from siatek - and i can set up mame to use them both..  try 'cat /dev/input/js0' - wiggle the sticks hit the buttons if they all print jibberish they are working. :P
[07:23] <fateisajeste1> cikilin: that and you will save your self alot of bootloader probs installing xp first
[07:23] <XplOzIon> cikilin, windows wont see its linux (ext3) partition like b2s said windows its dumb
[07:24] <dr_willis> nicedreams,  and if they are all working - its configureing the program to use them right.
[07:24] <b2s> isai: search in synaptic for "mpeg" and you should get a lot of hits.  which version of totem do you have
[07:24] <cikilin> i erase all the id and nothing
[07:24] <b2s> ?
[07:24] <nicedreams> dr_willis: thx
[07:24] <nicedreams> i'll try it out
[07:24] <b2s> cikilin: so you have two hard drives, and one should be windows?
[07:24] <isai> I have totem 1.0.1
[07:24] <cikilin> no
[07:24] <cikilin> i have 3
[07:24] <XplOzIon> =/
[07:24] <b2s> isai: ok, do you have totem-xine, totem-gstreamer, or totem-somethingelse?
[07:25] <XplOzIon> totem-goten!!
[07:25] <cikilin> the actually ubuntu is a small one
[07:25] <isai> gstreamer I guess. It says using gstreamer 0.8.9.
[07:26] <XplOzIon> cikilin, so you have 3 ides, and your main problem is that u cant install windows?...
[07:26] <cikilin> yes on the ide where i have u'
[07:27] <isai> In synaptic I found gstreamer0.8-mpeg2dec. Will that work?
[07:27] <XplOzIon> well, first of all you need to add a partition to that ide (fat32 or whatever windows file system) so windows can see it and then install
[07:27] <b2s> isai: ok, so you probably want to add gstreamer-mpeg2dec and gstreamer-ffmpeg and that sort of thing
[07:28] <isai> okay, installing right now.
[07:28] <JaGWiRE```> hey
[07:28] <mjc> hmm, I created a /home during setup, and it won't mount it now
[07:28] <JaGWiRE```> I have installed suse, and fedora core on my notebook which has a 2100 wireless chip (centrino, dothian I think). I've had no luck with either distrobutions, will ubuntu support this out of the box or will I have to go modding stuff?
[07:28] <b2s> isai: gstreamer-ffmpeg says it decodes 90+ formats, so that's the best bet.  I've got tons of crap installed, so I don't know which one was the key :)
[07:28] <cikilin> XplOzIon: i erase all ide data and i make partition like before and nothing
[07:29] <XplOzIon> cikilin, what format was the partition you made?
[07:29] <cikilin> ntfs
[07:29] <JaGWiRE```> Anyone here able to answer my question?
[07:30] <b2s> grr stupid xp erased my sdcard!
[07:30] <guruff> where i can get QT themes from ?
[07:30] <XplOzIon> b2s, can you help cikilin im LOST!
[07:30] <b2s> JaGWiRE```: I think intel 2xxx should work out of the box, but I don't have one.
[07:30] <chefkoch-2002> after installing the nvidia sound driver, the system beeps while starting and the volume settings are always lost. is it a known problem? workaround?
[07:30] <kakalto> www.kde-look.org
[07:30] <JaGWiRE```> Thanks b2s.
[07:30] <JaGWiRE```> I am just weary because suse is fairly good out of the box.
[07:31] <guruff> kakalto; ok... so kde native themes are qt righ
[07:31] <guruff> +t
[07:31] <kakalto> ya
[07:31] <JaGWiRE```> Oh, and the master boot record thing for ubuntu is the same ordeal as fedora core and suse, corerct?
[07:31] <b2s> JaGWiRE```: suse definitely doesn't.  HP includes a modification to their suse distros to get that working
[07:31] <b2s> heh, define "ordeal"
[07:31] <dr_willis> ordeal? hmm was rather trivial
[07:31] <guruff> kakalto; i was using kde and i don't know :P hehe thanks
[07:32] <b2s> ubuntu detected my other partitions and set up grub on the MBR without asking any crazy questions
[07:32] <XplOzIon> lol
[07:32] <XplOzIon> true
[07:32] <nickrud> mine too, but most stanza were wrong
[07:32] <Hobo> a quickie, why is ubuntu starting up a bunch of programs, when they are not in my startup area
[07:32] <Hobo> in the preferences
[07:33] <b2s> cikilin: so what problem does xp install have?  have you tried mounting the ntfs partition read-only in linux? (to make sure it is ok)
[07:33] <Hobo> root, inkscape
[07:33] <dr_willis> Hobo,  such as what programs?
[07:33] <JaGWiRE```> sorry, was afk b2s.
[07:33] <Hobo> gaim
[07:33] <Hobo> xchat
[07:33] <dr_willis> it may be they are in the last session you saved.
[07:33] <cikilin> yes
[07:33] <Hobo> how do I unsave it :)
[07:33] <JaGWiRE```> Letme sum it up.. I formatted a linux partition.. got the grub loading stage eror, couldn't load back into widnows. Put back in xp cd, went to recoverey console, did FIXMBR.
[07:33] <isai> It's finished installing. I don't have any mpgs files on hand right now. My .mov files play but stutter...
[07:33] <dr_willis> close them and use the save session menu item.. or make it where gnome dosent save sessions... or.....
[07:33] <Hobo> ok GREAT :):):)
[07:33] <Hobo> those are just fine
[07:34] <JaGWiRE```> Then my notebook.. Formatted the suse linux partition. Got the grub loading stage error, would not read any xp cd's except for ones from sony that were recovery console cd's. Put em in, still couldn't load after install. Reinstalled suse, got grub loading stage back, now have 30gb of waisted space in linux hwich I can't use.
[07:34] <mjc> hmm, I created a /home during setup, and it says it's mounted but it doesn't show up in /proc/mounts or in the output of 'mount'. any ideas?
[07:34] <mjc> it's in the fstab
[07:34] <JaGWiRE```> Later I plan to uninstall the suse, and attemtp to put a dos floppy in to boot from and do fdisk /fixmbr
[07:34] <JaGWiRE```> :)
[07:35] <JaGWiRE```> hope ubuntu doesn't give me pain like suse and fedora core did :(.
[07:35] <mjc> JaGWiRE```, sony machine? eww
[07:35] <nickrud> JaGWiRE```, if it's just xp & ubuntu, it is painless )
[07:35] <JaGWiRE```> mjc: sony vaio notebook
[07:35] <mjc> eww
[07:35] <JaGWiRE```> nickrud.. thats untill you remove linux :P
[07:35] <flyer_> hey somone can help me? i want to change the gnome icon in the panel, put the ubuntu icon ;; but, im trying to find where i can change it, i cant find where!
[07:35] <k-otik> are you able to run an exe from a dos emulater?
[07:35] <JaGWiRE```> mjc.. what's wrong with sonys?
[07:35] <nicedreams> how do you get dvd playback to be faster meaning hardware?  I'm using ATI with the fglrx driver
[07:35] <JaGWiRE```> 4.1 pd laptop, 14.1 inch screen, 4-6 hour battery life, can't be beat.
[07:35] <kakalto> aww
[07:35] <mjc> JaGWiRE```, sony is more music label than hardware manufacturer
[07:35] <kakalto> nrg2iso doesn't work
[07:36] <JaGWiRE```> mjc...
[07:36] <CitizenKane> JagWire```, nickrud is right, i had no problems at all
[07:36] <JaGWiRE```> dell is no bette.
[07:36] <dr_willis> nicedreams,  its possible that dma is not enabled for your dvd drive. Mine wasent.
[07:36] <JaGWiRE```> CitizenKane: did you remove the linux partition with the distro onit yet though?
[07:36] <nicedreams> dr_willis: ah....that makes sense
[07:36] <isai> b2s: thanks.
[07:36] <mjc> JaGWiRE```, their acpi implementation is really broken, their memory stick stuff is disgusting, and I've found their laptops to be fragile
[07:36] <JaGWiRE```> Memorey stick? I've had very good experiences.
[07:36] <nickrud> JaGWiRE```, doesn't xp make a boot floppy any more (I haven't installed a windows since win98)
[07:36] <JaGWiRE```> I have one in my brand new psp with 10 anime divx episodes on it now.
[07:37] <nicedreams> dr_willis: should I just edit the /etc/hdparm.conf?
[07:37] <mjc> JaGWiRE```, doesn't work in linux last I checked
[07:37] <flyer_> hey somone can help me? i want to change the gnome icon in the panel, put the ubuntu icon ;; but, im trying to find where i can change it, i cant find where
[07:37] <JaGWiRE```> Fragile? Depends how you take care of it, anything can be fragile.
[07:37] <CitizenKane> JagWire```, no but I don't see why it would be a problem, i had to modify the windows partition in the first palce to get linux on, and everything runs fine
[07:37] <mjc> JaGWiRE```, you can overheat your laptop to the point of hardware failure if you boot with acpi off and try to use any cpu, yet if you try to use a pure acpi implementation, it won't boot at all
[07:37] <JaGWiRE```> CitizenKane: when you remove the linux partition just by formatitng it to ntfs or whatever, you have pain.
[07:37] <JaGWiRE```> I understand that mjc.
[07:37] <JaGWiRE```> Thats why i don't fold @ home on my notebook ;).
[07:37] <XplOzIon> flyer_, in www.ubuntuforums.org is your answer
[07:38] <mjc> JaGWiRE```, that's poor design
[07:38] <flyer_> ok XplOzIon i wll search there...
[07:38] <JaGWiRE```> Mjc... I don't care how fragile it is, if I can carry it around without breaking my arm, i'm happy.
[07:38] <JaGWiRE```> Frankly, one person will like the xbox, the next will like the playstation 2. One will like suse, one will like ubuntu. One will like seagate, one will like westenr digital.
[07:38] <mjc> JaGWiRE```,  I have a powerbook 12" for that ;)
[07:38] <CitizenKane> JaGWiRE```, well ya, windows wouldn't magically get that partition space, you would delete the linux partition, and then extend the windows one
[07:38] <JaGWiRE```> It depends on your experience, you can have bad luck with anyone.
[07:38] <JaGWiRE```> mjc: that is my next future notebook anyway :).
[07:39] <mjc> JaGWiRE```, sony makes technically inferior hardware. it's not about preference
[07:39] <b2s> JaGWiRE```: lol, I've never broken my arm even with my 7 pound amd64 notebook... viao's are pretty looking though.
[07:39] <JaGWiRE```> CitizenKane: I had created a linux partition but for some reason i fucked up partition table on installation and it formatted my D:\ drive in windows and put linux on there so I formatted back in windows and had hell.
[07:39] <JaGWiRE```> My laptop offered me 2 years ago what no one else offered.
[07:39] <kkathman> wow I just read that Kopete is shut down now :(
[07:39] <JaGWiRE```> 1. A good battery for office appliccations.
[07:39] <JaGWiRE```> 2. A lightweight notebook.
[07:40] <JaGWiRE```> 3. A notebook that supported wireless.
[07:40] <mjc> JaGWiRE```, a broken acpi implementation and a miserable bios
[07:40] <JaGWiRE```> 4. Something not too wide or big to carry around (like 17 inches)
[07:40] <b2s> JaGWiRE```: yeah, same with mine.  it was (afaik) the first amd64 laptop released.
[07:40] <kakalto> kkathman, is it actually shut down, or just in danger?
[07:40] <kakalto> last I heard, it was only in danger
[07:40] <kakalto> by that whole patent thing
[07:40] <JaGWiRE```> mjc: I found it weird that my sony only read the sony recovery cd's and the burned suse dvd. It wouldn
[07:40] <JaGWiRE```> It wouldn't read my retail xp cd from other computer (not supporting piracy at all, just an attempt for recovery console)
[07:40] <XplOzIon> flyer_, Heres a How to: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=26854
[07:40] <JaGWiRE```> i found that hilarious..
[07:40] <kkathman> kakalto just read on Linux Gazette that on its web site its shut down due to patent infringement
[07:40] <acidburn_> Question: What's the best way to install a web server with python support in Ubuntu?
[07:41] <JaGWiRE```> Is it soemthing in the bios telling it to only boot the sony recovery cd's?
[07:41] <bugz_> where i can find new security updates for ubuntu 5.04?
[07:41] <kakalto> kkathman, so the laws in europe passed?
[07:41] <JaGWiRE```> mjc: is that possible? lol?
[07:41] <b2s> cyphase: ... apache and mod_python?  or python as a CGI?
[07:41] <mjc> JaGWiRE```, yes it's possible
[07:41] <Edgan> What is up with cpufreq-applet in Gnome not letting me change the cpu frequency?
[07:41] <JaGWiRE```> You think thats what they did?
[07:41] <mjc> it sounds more like heat may have warped the laser, if it's an internal drive
[07:41] <kkathman> acidburn  try xampp that gets all the programming environments including php, mysql and apache
[07:41] <JaGWiRE```> I tried 2 different xp cd's (not pirated), and no luck.
[07:41] <JaGWiRE```> Even tried a dell one.
[07:41] <JaGWiRE```> Only the sony recovery cd's and my suse 9.2 dvd.
[07:41] <JaGWiRE```> Funny :|
[07:41] <mjc> oh and I've seen some windows installs taht wouldn't boot windows CDs
[07:41] <kkathman> kakalto: apparently so
[07:42] <cyphase> b2s: mod_python
[07:42] <JaGWiRE```> Mjc.. you know it was a real pain in the ass.
[07:42] <kkathman> you can go to linux journal and read about it
[07:42] <mjc> I erased the drive and mbr w/ linux and then everything was fine
[07:42] <JaGWiRE```> It's a school notebook too so.. yeah.
[07:42] <b2s> cyphase: if you want mod_python, then apache is really the only way to go
[07:42] <JaGWiRE```> mjc: i'll have to google how to prepare to format your linux partition frm linux late.r
[07:42] <JaGWiRE```> Probably a much easier way then mine.
[07:42] <cyphase> b2s: yea, i know
[07:42] <cyphase> lol
[07:42] <JaGWiRE```> Anyway, I reinstalled suse 9.2 for now.
[07:42] <JaGWiRE```> you think a bootable dos floppy would had worked with the good old "Fdisk /fixmbr"?
[07:43] <cyphase> b2s: but whats the easiest way to do it? just install them both? or do i need to edit some files..
[07:43] <JackandJohn> ahhhhh
[07:43] <mjc> JaGWiRE```, partition magic's how I did it
[07:43] <JaGWiRE```> I'll maybe put ubuntu ontop of it, and see if I like it.. I just don't like that i can't hibernate my notebook or do a fast boot.
[07:43] <JaGWiRE```> Thats what I used too mjc.
[07:43] <nixbox> hello all
[07:43] <mjc> JaGWiRE```, but fdisk /mbr would restore the windows bootsector indeed
[07:43] <JaGWiRE```> It would fix my problem though.
[07:43] <JaGWiRE```> Letme boot to xp fine..
[07:43] <b2s> cyphase: the easiest way is to install them both.  I've never messed with mod_python though, so I don't know how much work it is to get running (hopefully more like mod_php than mod_perl)
[07:43] <JackandJohn> can anyone tell me what text-based browser I have access to from the livecd? Or even another window manager that uses tiny amounts of ram?
[07:43] <IRCsloth> quick question: I have a file named like -filename and when I go to rm it rm things the -f is an option instead of part of the filename.. how do I get around that? I've tried \-filename and '-filename'
[07:43] <JaGWiRE```> All it does is replaces all of yours with default ones I think?
[07:44] <mjc> JaGWiRE```, can suspend to disk or ram as long as you don't use proprietary 3d drivers
[07:44] <propagandhi> can you use cedega without a transgaming account at all
[07:44] <cyphase> b2s: thanx
[07:44] <JaGWiRE```> Not sure what i'm using.
[07:44] <mjc> propagandhi, yes
[07:44] <nickrud> IRCsloth, try rm - - filename, I think that works
[07:44] <JaGWiRE```> MY notebooks got a crappy 16 mbit ati raedon mobility.
[07:44] <JaGWiRE```> Thankfully it has 1400x1050 =).
[07:44] <b2s> cyphase: they are apache and libapache2-mod-python2.4 by the way (the latter is a weird name to me)
[07:44] <mjc> rm -- -file
[07:44] <cyphase> yea, i know
[07:44] <JaGWiRE```> mjc: got msn?
[07:44] <IRCsloth> ok, cool, thanks
[07:44] <mjc> JaGWiRE```, ew
[07:44] <cyphase> i was just making sure there wasn't an easier/better way to do it
[07:44] <mjc> no thank you =)
[07:44] <nixbox> I have updated the apt-get package list by doing sudo apt-get update, then i did sudo apt-get dist-upgrade, now i am trying to install nmap but it says that nmap doesn't exist and that some packages do refer to nmap, I have made sure that i am using the correct hoary repositories and that all the ones that should be there are there :P
[07:44] <JaGWiRE```> Anyway.
[07:44] <nickrud> hate my twitchy thumb
[07:45] <b2s> cyphase: the best way in ubuntu should be apt-get or synaptic...
[07:45] <JaGWiRE```> IS there anyway possible to make a linux notebook boot as fast as windows, and have the hibernate feature so that I could use it at school with ease?
[07:45] <JaGWiRE```> :)
[07:45] <cyphase> yea
[07:45] <b2s> but like I said, I haven't done it
[07:45] <nixbox> moreover, apt-get also says that 0 newly installed packages, 0 removed, 22 not upgraded, and 22 packages are listed, why are these 22 not upgraded?
[07:45] <mjc> JaGWiRE```, suspend to disk and ram work fine
[07:45] <JaGWiRE```> Hm.. whats cmd for that?
[07:45] <mjc> long as you're using open source drivres
[07:45] <CitizenKane> JaGWiRE``` , i run a notebook with xp/ubuntu and it runs fine
[07:45] <JackandJohn> anyone know a text-browser? I'm stuck @ 96MB of SD ram.. all the browsers refuse to open
[07:46] <JaGWiRE```> I find linxu boots much slower then windows, lol.
[07:46] <propagandhi> mjc, how do i do it??
[07:46] <mjc> echo 3 > /proc/acpi/sleep  for suspend to disk
[07:46] <cyphase> since im on the subject.. whats the best way to synchronize a folder on my server with one on my workstation ? rsync?
[07:46] <mjc> er, suspend to ram
[07:46] <JaGWiRE```> Oh, and does ubuntu mount my windows hd's by default?
[07:46] <mjc> suspend to disk requires special options
[07:46] <mjc> JaGWiRE```, no, easy to edit your /etc/fstab for that though
[07:46] <b2s> JaGWiRE```: how long does it take you to boot to windows?
[07:46] <JaGWiRE```> Hm..
[07:46] <JaGWiRE```> With hibernate
[07:46] <JaGWiRE```> 10 seconds
[07:46] <JaGWiRE```> ?
[07:46] <mjc> hibernate = suspend to disk
[07:46] <mjc> suspend = suspend to ram
[07:46] <b2s> well, I haven't timed linux hibernate yet...
[07:47] <JaGWiRE```> I know.. it's just storing it into ram.
[07:47] <mjc> hibernate should take a minute or two
[07:47] <JaGWiRE```> Woah..
[07:47] <mjc> suspend should take 10 seconds or so
[07:47] <JaGWiRE```> Thats al ot mjc, don't you think?
[07:47] <JaGWiRE```> I'm at school lol.
[07:47] <b2s> mjc: !?
[07:47] <mjc> JaGWiRE```, no, it ahs to copy all of RAM to disk and power off.
[07:47] <JaGWiRE```> oh, k.
[07:47] <kkathman> WOW...we might be without GAIM and Kopete both soon
[07:47] <mjc> you're confusing hibernate and suspend
[07:47] <b2s> it only takes me 55 seconds to boot all the way from cold!
[07:47] <mjc> kkathman, why gaim
[07:47] <b2s> into linux.  and log in.
[07:47] <JaGWiRE```> So it doesn't mount windows hd's by default?
[07:47] <ciocanel> what's the best way to upgrade to firefox 1.0.3?
[07:47] <mjc> JaGWiRE```, no, just edit your fstab you lazy butt ;)
[07:47] <JaGWiRE```> b2s. i'm at school so yeah.. only reason why i got a shit gfx card and lightweight.
[07:48] <JaGWiRE```> fstab??
[07:48] <mjc> ciocanel, synaptic
[07:48] <JaGWiRE```> what happend to the mount cmd's.
[07:48] <JaGWiRE```> lol.
[07:48] <nickrud> JaGWiRE```, it's easy to set it up during install
[07:48] <JaGWiRE```> you know the old fashioned terminal..
[07:48] <JaGWiRE```> mount -t
[07:48] <JaGWiRE```> lol..
[07:48] <b2s> surely it doesn't really take 1-2 minutes to de-hibernate in linux...
[07:48] <mjc> JaGWiRE```, mount commands have to be done every time
[07:48] <ciocanel> mjc, thanks.
[07:48] <mjc> fstab is for mounting at boot time
[07:48] <mjc> /etc/fstab
[07:48] <JaGWiRE```> eh mjc?
[07:48] <mjc> ciocanel, yep
[07:48] <JaGWiRE```> i haven't used linux in a while
[07:48] <JaGWiRE```> nickrud: theres an option in installation? woohoo!!
[07:48] <mjc> JaGWiRE```, if you want your windows partition to be mounted at boot you put a line in /etc/fstab
[07:48] <JackandJohn> k, nm.. I'm keep banging
[07:49] <JackandJohn> I'm = I'll
[07:49] <b2s> JaGWiRE```: its easy anyway.  ubuntu will add it to fstab, you just have to tell it to actually mount it at boot.
[07:49] <JaGWiRE```> oh, k.
[07:49] <mjc> nickrud, my machine is having problems mounting /home
[07:49] <mjc> any ideas?
[07:49] <ciocanel> mjc, what repos I need?
[07:49] <JaGWiRE```> hmm b2xs
[07:49] <mjc> ciocanel, updates and security updates, the default ones
[07:49] <nickrud> what's the fstab line :)
[07:49] <JaGWiRE```> i just noticed i'm gonna have problems sharing my word documents and my open office doucments
[07:49] <JaGWiRE```> cause of the obvious problem.. can't write to ntfs
[07:49] <JaGWiRE```> :(
[07:50] <mjc> JaGWiRE```, vmware works for me
[07:50] <JaGWiRE```> lol.
[07:50] <JaGWiRE```> i only got 512 mb of ram
[07:50] <kkathman> mjc - by European standards, its infringement
[07:50] <JaGWiRE```> :-(
[07:50] <b2s> JaGWiRE```: yeah, I wish ubuntu had captive-ntfs.  you might try making a small fat32 partition for shuffling data back and forth
[07:50] <nickrud> JaGWiRE```, there's utilities for reading ext3 partitions from windows
[07:50] <JaGWiRE```> b2s.. probably right
[07:50] <mjc> kkathman, interesting
[07:50] <JaGWiRE```> i'de think 1gb is good enough for docs
[07:50] <JaGWiRE```> Eh?
[07:50] <mjc> captive sucks
[07:51] <mjc> it's really fricking slow
[07:51] <JaGWiRE```> Everyone complains about speed now.
[07:51] <b2s> mjc: worked for me... fast enough to share docs with at least
[07:51] <JaGWiRE```> Raptors are known as a fast hd and look how many fail.
[07:51] <JaGWiRE```> :)
[07:51] <XplOzIon> mjc, are you sure you can upgrade firefox to 1.0.3 from synaptic?
[07:51] <mjc> XplOzIon, you will be able to
[07:51] <b2s> JaGWiRE```: how many?  I haven't lost one yet...
[07:52] <JaGWiRE```> b2s.. i've heard lots.
[07:52] <JaGWiRE```> :)
[07:52] <Hobocop> holy crap it is the internet
[07:52] <XplOzIon> mjc, i know i will, but you just said you can! =P
[07:52] <JaGWiRE```> I have heard it's cause people connect em wrong though.
[07:52] <propagandhi> hey, how do i use cedega without a transgaming account
[07:52] <JaGWiRE```> I hate people who trust hd's though
[07:52] <JaGWiRE```> :)
[07:52] <mjc> XplOzIon, yep, you can, as soon as ubuntu pushes a release of it
[07:52] <mjc> propagandhi, don't use point2play
[07:52] <b2s> JaGWiRE```: ... how on earth do you do that?!  of course, I usually have hotswap bays anyway...
[07:52] <propagandhi> okay, but how would i use it i've never done it before
[07:52] <mjc> cedega /path/to/filename at the commandline
[07:52] <JaGWiRE```> hehe b2s
[07:52] <XplOzIon> mjc, still dont get what i mean, nevermind ;)
[07:52] <propagandhi> to the cd executable??
[07:53] <mjc> XplOzIon, I do, you didn't get what I meant =)
[07:53] <JaGWiRE```> So, i think x-chat is pretty good irc client?
[07:53] <ivoks> hello
[07:53] <XplOzIon> mjc, ppfff
[07:53] <mjc> JaGWiRE```, I'm using it but I prefer irssi
[07:53] <ivoks> xchat sucks :)
[07:53] <JaGWiRE```> I've heard good about irissi too.
[07:53] <b2s> JaGWiRE```: irssi! wee!
[07:53] <JaGWiRE```> But it's more of a command line one I heard?
[07:53] <JaGWiRE```> I'm on mirc now (The plugin junky <---)
[07:53] <b2s> well, so its text... isn't what you are doing writing text?
[07:53] <ivoks> :)
[07:53] <JaGWiRE```> b2s.. i'm not using an irc client where it goes like this
[07:53] <Hobocop> xchat
[07:53] <mjc> irssi is commandline yes
[07:54] <mjc> but that doesn't mean it's bad
[07:54] <Hobocop> xchat for lyfe
[07:54] <b2s> JaGWiRE```: its pretty easy to write irssi scripts in perl
[07:54] <ivoks> ?!?!?!
[07:54] <JaGWiRE```> ./connect to irc.29439824859389.cas9249882934 000001 100000 connect at 3:00
[07:54] <JaGWiRE```> i prefer /connect irc.freenode.net
[07:54] <JaGWiRE```> :P
[07:54] <ivoks> command line is good, people!
[07:54] <JaGWiRE```> i mean /server
[07:54] <Hobocop> oh god the xchat I cant even stop it
[07:54] <b2s> JaGWiRE```: eh?  I use "/connect freenode"
[07:54] <mjc> JaGWiRE```, same command in irssi
[07:54] <JaGWiRE```> or whatever.
[07:54] <JaGWiRE```> lol mjc
[07:54] <Hobocop> it is a tsunami of internet simplicity
[07:54] <JaGWiRE```> meh
[07:54] <propagandhi> mjc: do i install the game first - if so, how
[07:54] <JaGWiRE```> i'll give em all a try
[07:54] <seeker> command line is good as long as it's not the only option you have
[07:55] <seeker> graphical combined with command line is better
[07:55] <Hobocop> yes agreed seeker
[07:55] <mjc> propagandhi, run the setup with cedega /media/cdrom0/setup.exe most likely
[07:55] <ivoks> seeker thats why we have ubuntu :)
[07:55] <Hobocop> the option being there is a happy making machine
[07:55] <JaGWiRE```> what windowsmanager are you guys running on ubuntu?
[07:55] <Hobocop> :):):)
[07:55] <propagandhi> mjc: oh, okay, and then i can play it by using cedega command
[07:55] <kkathman> fluxbox, wmaker KDE, Gnome
[07:55] <propagandhi> JaGWiRE```: KDE all the way
[07:55] <JaGWiRE```> all at once?
[07:55] <ivoks> JaGWiRE``` for now Gnome, until i set up fluxbox
[07:55] <Hobocop> gnome :)
[07:55] <da_bon_bon> chazwurth: hi
[07:55] <JaGWiRE```> i didn't know people used itaniums and opterons with ubuntu
[07:55] <JaGWiRE```> LOL
[07:55] <chazwurth> Has anyone had luck getting dual-head displays working using the nv driver for an nvidia card?
[07:55] <kkathman> well I can log in an out of them
[07:55] <chazwurth> da_bon_bon: Hi!
[07:55] <kkathman> not simultaneously :)
[07:56] <b2s> JaGWiRE```: I'm still using gnome until I can show it to a friend (who installed kde) but afterwards is xfce for me
[07:56] <JaGWiRE```> i want to try fluxbox, enlightenment, and if worst ocmes, go try xfce.
[07:56] <JaGWiRE```> last ressort is kde.
[07:56] <Hobocop> oh god feta cheese
[07:56] <JaGWiRE```> i hear xfce is fastest.
[07:56] <b2s> JaGWiRE```: xfce is my favorite
[07:56] <kkathman> xfce is low resource, but it can mess up the Gnome install
[07:56] <JaGWiRE```> but i've seen screenshots
[07:56] <kkathman> and its harder to get installed
[07:56] <JaGWiRE```> it loosk like crap
[07:56] <JaGWiRE```> unix type guio
[07:56] <JaGWiRE```> :P
[07:56] <b2s> kkathman: just don't go back to gnome ;)
[07:56] <seeker> whats wrong with gnome?
[07:56] <mjc> excuse me while I stab someone
[07:56] <JaGWiRE```> kde semes like it can be the nicest looking in the end
[07:57] <seeker> (just getting used to it)
[07:57] <JaGWiRE```> cause lots of people making themes and shit.
[07:57] <b2s> JaGWiRE```: mine actually looks just like BeOS actually :)
[07:57] <JaGWiRE```> i'm out anyway, gone to be.
[07:57] <mjc> my fscking geforce4 just died
[07:57] <JaGWiRE```> bed*
[07:57] <Hobocop> Mince looks like gnome
[07:57] <da_bon_bon> chazwurth: forgot to ask u... did they give u any kind of a tracking no ?
[07:57] <Hobocop> mince
[07:57] <Hobocop> oh god I am a idiot
[07:57] <Hobocop> I wont mince words
[07:57] <ivoks> best sentence of them all:
[07:57] <mjc> oh well, time to prod amd for some pci express
[07:57] <ivoks> Ok, proceeding with removing running kernel image.
[07:58] <chazwurth> da_bon_bon: I assume the CDs haven't arrived yet :P
[07:58] <ivoks> http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8253 - nice article about ubuntu
[07:58] <da_bon_bon> chazwurth: no. indian post aint that fast :D
[07:59] <seeker> is there anyway to have webcam conversation with msn messenger clients?
[07:59] <kkathman> heres the article about Kopete being closed for patent infringement: http://www.linuxgazette.com/node/10128
[07:59] <seeker> I use gaim . but it doesn't support webcam
[07:59] <ivoks> seeker gnomemeeting
[08:00] <seeker> it can connect to msn?
[08:00] <ivoks> uh, msn messanger
[08:00] <ivoks> sorry, didn't see that condition :)
[08:01] <seeker> sobersabre, is there anyway to do it?
[08:01] <kkathman> night peeps!
[08:01] <seeker> so is there any way (not sobersabre )
[08:01] <seeker> this auto complete nick can be a pain in the $$$
[08:03] <Hobocop> http://www.linuxgazette.com/node/10155 LMAO
[08:03] <ollonbrus> Hia! How do i configure my x-server. I've managed to completely destroy m xorg.conf, and my manual setup do not seem to work.
[08:04] <b2s> seeker: maybe ayttm can do it
[08:04] <b2s> seeker: it says "msn gnomemeeting integration"
[08:05] <ryan_> I'm having trouble with Xorg as well, I was setting up the ATi drivers (fglrx) and I managed to lock my resolution at 800X600, even though I had 1024X768 before, and glxgears only gives me around 500fps, and it gave me 1500 on Warty
[08:06] <ryan_> anyone have any ideas?
[08:06] <thr1ce> man...there is a new fonts pack in breezy that looks AMAZING
[08:06] <b2s> ryan_: when you run fglrxinfo does it work?
[08:07] <seeker> ok, thanks. I'll try it out
[08:07] <b2s> and ps ryan_, glxgears on my system gives >1400 fps, so probably something is broken :)
[08:07] <ryan_> fglrxwindow: display: :0.0  screen: 0
[08:07] <ryan_> OpenGL vendor string: Mesa project: www.mesa3d.org
[08:07] <ryan_> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
[08:07] <ryan_> OpenGL version string: 1.2 (1.5 Mesa 6.2.1)
[08:07] <thr1ce> yup
[08:07] <mjc> ryan_, 1500 is still pathetic ;)
[08:08] <thr1ce> ryan_, did you run through fglrxconfi ?
[08:08] <thr1ce> g
[08:08] <b2s> mjc: for a laptop?
[08:08] <ryan_> no
[08:08] <thr1ce> 34562 frames in 5.0 seconds = 6912.400 FPS
[08:08] <ryan_> I edited my xorg.conf
[08:08] <thr1ce> my ATI results
[08:08] <mjc> 12415 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2483.000 FPS
[08:08] <mjc> 12336 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2467.200 FPS
[08:08] <ryan_> on Warty I had 1500, on a Radeon 9200SE
[08:08] <thr1ce> ryan_, I ran through fglrxconfig, and then altered
[08:08] <mjc> that's a GeForce FX Go5600
[08:09] <Hobocop> almost 7000 fps
[08:09] <Hobocop> whoaoa
[08:09] <thr1ce> and make sure you select useexternalAGPGART? no
[08:09] <claton> elp
[08:09] <thr1ce> Hobocop, it'll go past if i'm not doing stuff
[08:09] <claton> help
[08:09] <Hobocop> is this some magic thing
[08:09] <Hobocop> or am I uninformed
[08:09] <claton> I'm new to  linix
[08:09] <b2s> 48545 frames in 5.0 seconds = 9709.000 FPS
[08:10] <claton> allways wanted linix  now I got it
[08:10] <dr_willis> claton,  tip #1 - ask a question we can answer. :P
[08:10] <thr1ce> b2s, what card ?
[08:10] <claton> now need to load and play halo and battle field
[08:10] <b2s> thr1ce: radeon 9600
[08:11] <thr1ce> b2s, hm...I have 9700 pro; how do you have more than I do?
[08:11] <thr1ce> did you compile yourself ?
[08:11] <Hobocop> :( I get about 2500
[08:11] <b2s> thr1ce: I cheated and made the window small :P
[08:11] <Hobocop> on a 5500 256mb
[08:11] <mjc> thr1ce, faster CPU
[08:11] <thr1ce> lol
[08:11] <da_bon_bon> chazwurth: sorry got disconnectd. if u posted anything, plz repost :)
[08:11] <thr1ce> no
[08:11] <mjc> once graphic acceleration is enabled, it's a cpu benchmark for the most part
[08:11] <b2s> mine is a 9600 with 64MB... it is an amd64 CPU, but CPU is NOT the bottleneck here
[08:11] <seeker> how can I remove an entry from the gnome application menu
[08:11] <dr_willis> claton,  cedega and wine can allyou to play SOME windows games.. but dont expect it to work very well.  I advices booting to windows to play games.. and linux for work/real work. :P
[08:11] <thr1ce> I've got an athlon 2100...unless he's all 64 bit, 2000 fps is waaay too much
[08:11] <mjc> particularly if you have the same card
[08:12] <discord> anyone know how to get a prism2 pcmcia card working under hoary?
[08:12] <claton> thank's
[08:12] <chazwurth> da_bon_bon: Nah, I've been dealing with lag issues of my own, heh
[08:12] <thr1ce> make window small?  hm...lets see
[08:12] <discord> does hoary come with wireless drivers?
[08:12] <mjc> my amd64 w/ a 9800Pro gets like 2000fps in glxgears w/ fglrx. I haven't quite figured it out yet.
[08:12] <b2s> I've got an amd64 3200+, but the radeon9600 just isn't fast enough to keep up
[08:12] <mjc> same in 32bit mode though
[08:12] <aisipos> Has anyone seen poor responsiveness (even mouse pointer updated slowly) under high CPU load with Hoary?
[08:13] <mjc> b2s, should be able to get a few thousand fps with that though
[08:13] <da_bon_bon> chazwurth: lol... btw, did they give u some kind of a tracking no. ?
[08:13] <thr1ce> 44206 frames in 5.0 seconds = 8841.200 FPS
[08:13] <Hobocop> nope
[08:13] <seeker> I guess it will depend on why you have a high cpu load
[08:13] <thr1ce> mjc, cover the gears with the terminal for an accurate reading
[08:13] <claton> later
[08:13] <mjc> thr1ce, erm, no
[08:13] <thr1ce> well, not accurate
[08:13] <mjc> that's lame
[08:13] <chazwurth> da_bon_bon: I doubt it, but I can check the receipt. If I can find it :P
[08:13] <thr1ce> mjc, actually, it's what you're supposed to do
[08:13] <seeker> if you have a high cpu load for realtime application than that might explain it
[08:13] <ollonbrus> Hia! How do i configure my x-server. I've managed to completely destroy m xorg.conf, and my manual setup do not seem to work.
[08:13] <aisipos> seeker: For some reason, chatzilla sometimes throws me into 100% cpu. Switched to xchat, but the problem was real.
[08:14] <da_bon_bon> chazwurth: plz doo.. that will m,ake it easier for both of us.. why the :P ??
[08:14] <thr1ce> xorgconfig
[08:14] <mjc> thr1ce, it's not accurate when you do that, geforce 4 and higher will simply not render the image
[08:14] <thr1ce> mjc, i've been recommended to do it with an ATI card
[08:14] <chazwurth> da_bon_bon: Because I have no idea what the heck I did with the thing
[08:14] <chazwurth> It might be in my car somewhere...brb
[08:14] <mjc> thr1ce, probably because ATI cards are so miserably slow
[08:14] <da_bon_bon> chazwurth: ok
[08:14] <Hobocop> ooooh
[08:14] <mjc> 24956 frames in 5.0 seconds = 4991.200 FPS when I do that on my geforce fx go 5600
[08:14] <b2s> mjc: yeah probably :)
[08:14] <thr1ce> mjc, um...my 9700 pro is pretty quick
[08:14] <da_bon_bon> hey, can someone tell me what happens when - "apt-get moo" ???
[08:14] <Hobocop> now I am getting 7500 fps
[08:15] <mjc> thr1ce, not in linux
[08:15] <thr1ce> the linux drivers suck...but ATI doesn't make "slow" cards
[08:15] <thr1ce> mjc, 7000 fps isn't bad at all
[08:15] <thr1ce> and, glxgears is horribly inaccurate
[08:15] <aisipos> seeker: Is there any reason to up the priority for Xorg? On my stock Hoary, its priority is 15, nice 0
[08:15] <b2s> grr, I can't break 10000 fps
[08:15] <mjc> thr1ce, I get 5500fps with it uncovered in my GeForce4 Ti 4600 or about that with it covered on my ati
[08:16] <seeker> aisipos, mouse curser work via interrupt, so xorg shouldn't bother it
[08:16] <thr1ce> mjc, i'm not going to argue that the drivers suck; the cards do not, as you're arguing
[08:16] <mjc> thr1ce, ah, I see
[08:16] <thr1ce> boot into windows, I'll take your card on any day :)
[08:16] <thr1ce> won't even be close
[08:16] <helio7> I cannot seem to reorder my PATH variable in .bashrc to run MY script instead of the one in /usr/bin ... anyone know if Ubuntu works differently than other *nixes in this regard?  The script i've named "cal" and if I type 'which cal' it shows /home/usr/cal but if I run it it runs /usr/bin/cal (on my shell account into a RH server it works no problem...
[08:16] <seeker> it might be connected to a page fault due to a but or something, but you better ask someone who knowes more than me
[08:16] <thr1ce> then again, this is *nix
[08:16] <conanhome> hi all, i'm trying ubuntu, i install it yesterday in a k6-II and all went smoothly, but today i can get it to work in a sempron 3000+, the problem seems to be with partman no detecting partitions on my ide, but the system have created de /dev/hda* apropriate and i can mount them... so is there anyway to bypass partman and get the installation to work?
[08:17] <bob2> helio7: no, it works exactly like every over bash-using-system
[08:17] <seeker> should be *page fault due to a memory related but*
[08:17] <bugz_>  anybody here from Chatsworth?
[08:17] <bob2> helio7: what does "ecoh $PATH" print out?
[08:17] <mjc> thr1ce, I have a 9800 Pro in my machine now because my GF4Ti4600 died.
[08:17] <mjc> sucks
[08:17] <conanhome> i forgot is an ubuntu hoary 5.04
[08:17] <guruff> me again; is there a simpler way to change qt theme than installing whole kde ? :)
[08:17] <aisipos> seeker: Then is there an easy way to have music players (like Amarok) run with a real-time priority when chosen to play files via nautilus?
[08:17] <mjc> I'm going to get a pair of 6800GTs tomorrow
[08:17] <thr1ce> mjc, 9800 pro works beautiful with good drivers
[08:18] <ryan_> FGLRX says it wants to write to "XF86Config-4, but I'm using Xorg. Is it ok to use that filename?
[08:18] <aisipos> seeker: I get skipping now and then under high load.
[08:18] <thr1ce> ryan_, yes, but you're going to have to hack a bit
[08:18] <ryan_> explain
[08:18] <bob2> ryan_: are you following the instrucions on wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto?
[08:18] <seeker> yes. but than you will only be able to use them through root (just change the nice)
[08:18] <chazwurth> da_bon_bon: Found it. There's nothing that looks like a tracking number here, and from there website it looks like I would have had to purchase tracking. They didn't offer and I didn't think to ask, sorry
[08:18] <mjc> thr1ce, there aren't ayn
[08:18] <ryan_> ...no? I was just told to use fglrx
[08:18] <mjc> any
[08:18] <ryan_> config
[08:18] <chazwurth> *their
[08:18] <mjc> for my operating system and processor architecture of choice
[08:18] <thr1ce> mjc, there are no windows drivers for ATI cards?
[08:18] <bob2> ryan_: just follow those instructions
[08:19] <helio7> bob2: /home/michael/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games
[08:19] <thr1ce> yes, I know
[08:19] <seeker> skipping here and there, might be normal. as long as it's not a mouse freeze
[08:19] <thr1ce> i only game on my win2k partition thouh
[08:19] <bob2> helio7: how do you know /usr/bin/cal is being run?  different output or such?
[08:19] <mjc> what fun is that
[08:19] <thr1ce> um...alot when I don't have to emulate things
[08:19] <Hobocop> me too thrice
[08:19] <helio7> bob2: yes exactly
[08:19] <Hobocop> crap starcraft runs slow when I WINE it
[08:19] <Hobocop> I dont know why
[08:20] <dr_willis> heh
[08:20] <Hobocop> but it does
[08:20] <da_bon_bon> chazwurth: oh ok.. if it costs more, then i will wait anyway :) coz it will reach, i know :)
[08:20] <seeker> how can I remove an entry from the gnome application menu?
[08:20] <mjc> thr1ce, it's actually a few fps faster with my geforce 4 on amd64 linux than on x64 xp
[08:20] <Hobocop> I run half life 2 fine in windows
[08:20] <chazwurth> da_bon_bon: I'm sure it'll get there.
[08:20] <Hobocop> but starcraft kills in ubuntu :(
[08:20] <thr1ce> ok...i'm updating my breezy and heading to sleep; night all; nice chattin mjc
[08:20] <mjc> 20fps average gain in doom3.
[08:20] <mjc> night
[08:21] <mjc> with x.org from head plus some no-spin-while-idle hacks and realtime-preempt, it's nearly 60fps faster
[08:22] <Hobocop> http://dickcream.com/1986/ :):):)
[08:22] <helio7> doh bob2 it automagically came around; I have several terminal windows open and I was sure I had sourced .bashrc in each of them, but now it's working =P thanks for the reassurance
[08:22] <desrt> mjc; what just changed to make doom faster?
[08:24] <nixbox> does anyone know why the some packages wont be upgraded if i do a dist-upgrade from warty to hoary?
[08:24] <nicedreams> how do you remove a password from a user so I won't need one when I log in?
[08:24] <mjc> desrt, first, amd64 linux instead of x64 windows, second, experimental xorg and linux kernel patches
[08:25] <desrt> mjc; nvidia card?
[08:26] <bob2> nixbox: not every single package changed between warty and hoary
[08:26] <mjc> desrt, yes
[08:26] <mjc> desrt, had to hack the crap out of the drivers though
[08:26] <desrt> this is good news.
[08:26] <seeker> nicedreams, you can go to login screen setup in system->admin and use automatic log in
[08:27] <nicedreams> thx
[08:27] <nixbox> bob2, what should i do then?
[08:28] <nixbox> bob2, whenever i do apt-get it says 22 packages not upgraded
[08:28] <bob2> nixbox: what do you mean?
[08:28] <bob2> nixbox: ...
[08:28] <bob2> nixbox: why do yo uthink that's a problem?
[08:28] <nixbox> bob2, how would those 22 be upgraded?
[08:28] <bob2> nixbox: paste the output of 'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade' to #flood
[08:28] <seeker> how can I remove an entry from the gnome application mentu?
[08:28] <nixbox> bob2, ok
[08:29] <seeker> I uninstalled the program but the icon is still there
[08:29] <seeker> (I added the icon manually with the menu edit)
[08:29] <abarbaccia> seeker, the same way - with menu edit
[08:29] <ollonbrus> Hia! How do i configure my x-server. I've managed to completely destroy m xorg.conf, and my manual setup do not seem to work.
[08:29] <seeker> how? the delete option didn't work...
[08:30] <mjc> hmm, whoops
[08:30] <nixbox> bob2, done
[08:30] <abarbaccia> hurm, not sure - maybe afer a reboot it'll go
[08:30] <mjc> looks like evms thought there was still a raid there
[08:30] <mjc> how strange
[08:30] <seeker> nope, already rebooted
[08:33] <guruff> i have gnome - only; how i can change qt theme ?
[08:33] <beh> how come when i resize the mplayer window it doesn't resize the video? it used to on my gentoo install
[08:34] <guruff> beh; you have -vo x11 thats why
[08:34] <beh> how do i fix that
[08:34] <guruff> beh; mplayer -vo help <- what does it say?
[08:34] <flyer_> guruff: yeah, me too, how to change the video size? im trying but i cant :S
[08:34] <beh>  x11     X11 ( XImage/Shm )
[08:35] <guruff> ok both of you, do you have XV listed when you do mplayer -vo help ????
[08:35] <beh> that's one of the lines
[08:35] <beh> yeah i have xv
[08:35] <guruff> beh then try mplayer -vo xv some.file
[08:35] <chazwurth> ollonbrus: Dunno if there's an Ubuntu-specific answer, but I'd try 'Xorg -configure'
[08:36] <nixbox> bob2, you there?
[08:36] <beh> guruff that works how do i make it use xv by default
[08:36] <guruff> beh in ~./mplayer/config add line vo=xv
[08:38] <beh> alright cool thanks
[08:38] <guruff> beh u should use also vo=alsa :P
[08:39] <flyer_> hey guruff help me too hehe
[08:39] <guruff> alsa afaik sucks less on a-v synch
[08:39] <flyer_> i have xv too in the mplayer -vo help
[08:40] <guruff> flyer_; ok; so mplayer -vo xv some.file works for you ?
[08:40] <flyer_> let me check
[08:42] <holysmokes> i just installed fluxbox using apt but it's taking a very long time to start up.. any suggestions?
[08:42] <flyer_> guruff, stay in.. :  alsa-init: 1 soundcard found, using: default
[08:43] <guruff> ok, this is audio problem
[08:43] <guruff> flyer_;  for now try mplayer -vo xv -ao null some.file
[08:43] <guruff> flyer_; lets see first if you have xv working
[08:43] <flyer_> guruff, in MPlayer i can listen all ok. just videos, i can't resize
[08:43] <flyer_> ok
[08:44] <guruff> anyone have a clue how to change a qt theme in ubuntu ? i don't have kde installed
[08:45] <flyer_> guruff, im seeing, seems xv working
[08:46] <Gert_K> d
[08:46] <guruff> flyer_; good, so everything works now? you can play movies mplayer -vo xv some.file, resize window and you have sound ?
[08:47] <flyer_> guruff, i dont know why now, i dont 've sound...
[08:48] <guruff> flyer_; ok... lets see [mplayer -ao help]  will list all availaibe audio output, tell me what you got there
[08:49] <Gert_K> I just installed ubuntu 5.04 but there is a strange problem. My labtop suddenly powers off, often when i compile. Somebody who knows why?
[08:51] <flyer_> guruff, i configured sound, it's all ok. only thinkg i dont 've is the size of videos
[08:52] <guruff> flyer_; erm, what do you mean ?
[08:52] <`anthony> anyone found a decent way to find hotels near the conf venue?
[08:53] <`anthony> $180/night is a bit *ahem* extortionate.
[08:53] <flyer_> guruff, i can view and listen my videos, but, i can't rezize the video, only the windows rezise, but not video. can u understand my bad english? ;)
[08:53] <_phate_> `anthony, what conference?
[08:54] <flyer_> guruff, to rezise, always must put command -vo xv file ?
[08:54] <guruff> flyer_; ok; to be albe to resize video you need to pass -vo xv to mplayer each time you want to play
[08:54] <guruff> flyer_; or add to file ~./mplayer/config line vo=xv so mplayer will do it automatically :)
[08:55] <flyer_> guruff, i'll do that. Thanks you lots ;)
[08:55] <guruff> flyer_; no probs
[08:56] <`anthony> _phate_ ubuntudownunder, next week
[08:57] <phate> ah nm then I'm not in australia
[08:59] <flyer_> thanks for all cya. ubuntu community rules!
[09:10] <guruff> so quiet... yawn
[09:10] <guruff> maby somebody knows how to change qt theme without installing kde ?
[09:11] <dazed> hello all
[09:17] <Hobocop> cool just installed apache :)
[09:25] <adrian__> Hi there
[09:31] <sobersabre> guys where are the docs on how to compile custom kernel ubuntu way ?
[09:32] <geoffj> hi, has any body had any troubles with the nvidia 7174 driver?  I get an xserver lock up both on my home machine and many machines at work.
[09:34] <desrt> apt is awful confusing
[09:34] <desrt>   evolution-data-server: Depends: libcamel1.2-3 (>= 1.2.2) but it is not going to be installed
[09:34] <desrt> even though libcamel1.2-3 1.2.2 is *currently* installed
[09:34] <Tuxicity> sobersabre: personaly never had to compile a custom kernel on Ubuntu, but maybe check wiki.ubuntu.com
[09:37] <espiem> I need help regarding installing application
[09:38] <Tuxicity> desrt: well ya, which is why it's not going to be installed... cause it already is O_O
[09:38] <Tuxicity> espiem: which app.?
[09:39] <espiem> i've download package ie xmms from debian. How to install?
[09:39] <desrt> Tuxicity; ha ha ha
[09:39] <desrt> not helpful :P
[09:40] <espiem> i'm newbies. Just installed linux yesterday
[09:40] <Tuxicity> espiem: Ok. Dont download from Debian. Can you use the terminal?
[09:41] <espiem> tuxicity: yes
[09:41] <Diablo-D3> hey guys
[09:41] <Diablo-D3> whats the default gtk theme in ubuntu?
[09:42] <Tuxicity> espiem: go to www.ubuntuguide.org
[09:42] <Diablo-D3> anyone know?
[09:42] <espiem> yes I did
[09:43] <Tuxicity> espiem: then you did "sudo apt-get install xmms"?
[09:44] <espiem> Tuxicity: Ok
[09:44] <Tuxicity> espiem: does that work?
[09:44] <itay> I am trying to install OSS but I got this error:
[09:45] <itay> Trying to disable the conflicting sound driver
[09:45] <espiem> u mean, in terminal just type "sudo apt-get install xmms?
[09:45] <Diablo-D3> itay: dont do that
[09:45] <Diablo-D3> use alsa
[09:46] <Tuxicity> espiem: yes, but first
[09:46] <espiem> yea, it's downloading
[09:47] <holysmokes> anyone think of a reason why freshly installed fluxbox would take several minutes to start/restart? enlightenment starts within a reasonable amount of time
[09:49] <desrt> apt is  confusing
[09:50] <GOwin> hello. i got a question. i just changed my xfce screen resolution and now, my screen is undreadable. but logging into gnome works fine.
[09:51] <espiem> Tuxicity: what's next? anyway, it's still downloading. I thoungh it's only 1.2MB
[09:51] <Tuxicity> espiem: that should install XMMS
[09:51] <GOwin> hello?
[09:51] <goo> Are there any wifi daemons out there than waproamd?
[09:52] <goo> other than..
[09:52] <Trickyphillips> Hello. :)
[09:52] <Tuxicity> GOwin: i hear you, but cant help, sry
[09:52] <GOwin> ok. thanks.
[09:53] <Tuxicity> Trickyphillips: hi :)
[09:53] <gnumdk> hello
[09:53] <Trickyphillips> 8-)
[09:53] <espiem> Tuxicity: It;s done. But where's  my shortcut? or directory?
[09:53] <Trickyphillips> Do any of you know of a macro program for linux?
[09:54] <Trickyphillips> I want to record keystrokes, and replay them.
[09:54] <gnumdk> I'm a kubuntu user and i need to know if ubuntu cursor theme is set in gdm
[09:54] <Tuxicity> espiem: type "killall gnome-panel" in terminal + press ENTER
[09:54] <Tuxicity> espiem: that will refresh the "Applications" menu
[09:55] <Tuxicity> espiem: and you should find XMMS in Applications --> Sound And Video --> XMMS
[09:56] <espiem> tuxicity: ok. It's done. Thank you a lot for tutorial
[09:56] <Tuxicity> espiem: no problemo ;)
[09:57] <Tuxicity> gnumdk: FYI, are you awarer of the channel #kubuntu ?
[09:58] <gnumdk> yeah, but i just want to know if it work with gdm :)
[09:59] <flipy> what's the default password for the mysql-server?
[09:59] <Tuxicity> gnumdk: im on GNOME. Im no gdm expert, but if you tell me how, i'll check
[10:01] <Trickyphillips> flipy: I believe default password is "admin".
[10:02] <Trickyphillips> I might be mistaken, though.
[10:02] <flipy> ok
[10:02] <flipy> i'll try
[10:02] <gnumdk> Tuxicity: log out, tell me if cursor theme is default xorg one or ubuntu default one :)
[10:04] <flipy> uhm weird
[10:04] <flipy> Trickyphillips, how can I check that?
[10:04] <flipy> or modify that?
[10:04] <Trickyphillips> Do you have phpmyadmin installed?
[10:04] <itay> Diablo-D3, I have problems with alsa that I could solve
[10:04] <flipy> lemm check
[10:04] <itay> couldn't*
[10:04] <Trickyphillips> You should definetely get it, if you don't have it.
[10:05] <Trickyphillips> Just apt-get install phpmyadmin.
[10:05] <flipy> I'm doing it now
[10:05] <itay> I can't hear midi files
[10:05] <da_bon_bon> hi all. does wine interface with the kernel closeley ? as in, if a program works on 2.6.11 , will the milage vary, say, on 2.6.12-rc2 /?
[10:05] <holycow> by the way, if anyone is wondering why totem gstreamer doesn't play certain files, its because totem-gstreamer requires gstreamer0.8-plugins package.  tote-xine requires the w32 codecs from marrillat repository.
[10:05] <flipy> Trickyphillips, I guess it's gonna be something like http://localhost/phpmyadmin right?
[10:05] <pixil9> How do i get a cloak with nickserv?
[10:05] <Trickyphillips> Yes.
[10:06] <Trickyphillips> I now remember using username "root", with a blank password.
[10:06] <Trickyphillips> You can change the password from phpmyadmin.
[10:06] <flipy> Access denied for user: 'admin@localhost' (Using password: YES)
[10:06] <Tuxicity> gnumdk: emm, this may sound silly but how do I know which theme it is? the cursor is just a simple arrow...
[10:06] <flipy> ok, it didn't have any password Trickyphillips, thanks for the help and sorry bothering you
[10:06] <Trickyphillips> It was no bother. :D
[10:07] <flipy> :D
[10:07] <Trickyphillips> Have fun with MySQL. :)
[10:07] <kakalto> can I legally copy Xandros?
[10:07] <flipy> welll xDDD
[10:07] <flipy> it says "Create a new database: no privileges"
[10:07] <holycow> kakalto, only the gpl packages
[10:07] <flipy> logged as admin
[10:07] <Trickyphillips> Hmm.
[10:08] <holycow> xandros has some proprietary software in it, you need to check the licence with those packages
[10:08] <kakalto> holycow, so there's different versions?
[10:08] <Trickyphillips> Where does it say that?
[10:08] <flipy> at the home page of phpmyadmin
[10:08] <holycow> different versions of what?
[10:08] <kakalto> holycow, or do you mean I can copy Xandros, so long as I don't copy the proprietory packages?
[10:08] <kakalto> is Xandros itself proprietory?
[10:09] <Trickyphillips> flipy: Check out the "privledges" page.
[10:09] <holycow> kakalto, xandros is based on debian
[10:09] <kakalto> ohk
[10:09] <holycow> debian is a free software distribution
[10:09] <kakalto> yeah
[10:09] <holycow> that means it only contains gpl software
[10:09] <flipy> Trickyphillips, it was my fault, logged as root does give me privileges
[10:09] <flipy> again, thanks dude
[10:09] <Trickyphillips> You're welcome. :)
[10:09] <holycow> i.e. you can do whatever the gpl allows you to do with xandros as its mostly gpl'd but watch out for the proprietary stuff
[10:09] <Trickyphillips> Glad I could help. :D
[10:10] <flipy> :D:D:D:D
[10:10] <kakalto> holycow, so I can't just copy the cd
[10:11] <holycow> holycow that means it only contains gpl software <-- ..err i mean contains only 'free' software such as things under gpl, bsd, etc.
[10:11] <holycow> kakalto, correct
[10:12] <xukun> which multimedia player can I best use?
[10:12] <holycow> currently it seems totem-xine is tops, totem-gstreamer still has some issues, although it looks like totem-gstreamer might be ultimately the future just needs to get debugged
[10:13] <holycow> for totem-xine you will need the w32codecs from marrillat repository, search for info on google/ubuntu site
[10:13] <xukun> holycow, I already did sudo apt-get install w32codecs
[10:14] <holycow> do you have totem-xine then?
[10:14] <xukun> holycow, no yet, just apt-get that?
[10:14] <holycow> search for it first, i'm not sure if i have the spelling correct
[10:14] <xukun> yes that is it
[10:15] <Trickyphillips> Man... I love freenode so much. So many interesting channels here.
[10:15] <holycow> Trickyphillips, make sure you donate
[10:15] <Trickyphillips> How can I donate?
[10:16] <holycow> logout from freenode, log back in, your main irc window will have info on it, perhaps you still do
[10:16] <Trickyphillips> Alright, thanks. :)
[10:16] <Trickyphillips> I'll take a look.
[10:16] <holycow> :)
[10:19] <Trickyphillips> Freenode gives to UNICEF? It's the perfect cover for a money laundering operation. No one can keep track of all those kids with the little orange boxes of change.
[10:19] <thenuke> sudo apt-get install ams -> Segmentation fault
[10:19] <thenuke> :-O Any knowledge about this?
[10:20] <thenuke> amsn, that was.
[10:20] <xukun> any nice video clip online so I can test my totem-xine?
[10:20] <holycow> lol Trickyphillips
[10:20] <kakalto> any ideas what would happen if I ran the DirectX 9 installer under wine?
[10:20] <holycow> are you saying we're in the wrong business?
[10:21] <Trickyphillips> Hehe.
[10:21] <Trickyphillips> Nah, Kramer said that in a Seinfeld episode. :P
[10:21] <kakalto> anyone?
[10:21] <Tuxicity> hmm, sometimes when I click on "Logout" under "System", it takes an abnormally long time before the dialog is displayed.
[10:21] <itay> hi!
[10:22] <itay> I have problems with alsa.
[10:22] <Burgundavia> kakalto, I doubt it would work. Wine is attempting to make the winlibs include dx9
[10:22] <kakalto> Tuxicity, sometimes I click any application, and it doesn't run the program :P
[10:22] <bugz_> itay: are you Filipino?
[10:22] <itay> no
[10:22] <kakalto> Burgundavia, ohk
[10:22] <itay> the system sound and the other sound can't be play togheter in the same boot.
[10:22] <itay> to example: if I press tab in the konsole, I hear the beap
[10:23] <jhortholary> bonjour tlm !
[10:23] <itay> for now, till I will restart X, I can't hear sound from games/softwares.
[10:23] <itay> what is the problem?
[10:23] <jhortholary> hello everybody
[10:23] <jhortholary> :d
[10:24] <itay> I tried to install OSS
[10:24] <itay> but I didn't succeed
[10:25] <itay> I got an error.
[10:25] <itay> so what should I do? try to fix ALSA or try to install OSS?
[10:26] <\sh> can anyone tell me, in which package grubconf is hiding?
[10:28] <M0KQU> Can any 1 tell me if Ubunto will work on a pentium 166 mmx with 2Gb hdd & 24 Mb ram ??
[10:28] <kakalto> what graphics card?
[10:28] <kakalto> with 24mb RAM, probably not
[10:28] <thenuke> M0KQU: yes, but not with the default install
[10:28] <Burgundavia> M0KQU, yes, but very very slowly
[10:28] <kakalto> no interface, perhaps?
[10:29] <Burgundavia> M0KQU, you will need to remove any DE, and most WM's even are too big
[10:29] <M0KQU> ohh dear  i dont think there is any hope left for this little laptop of mine lol
[10:29] <kakalto> Graphical, I mean
[10:29] <thenuke> M0KQU: you need to do custom-install, and install fluxbox or some else lightweight window manager
[10:29] <Burgundavia> M0KQU, make it a headless firewall
[10:29] <Tuxicity> M0KQU: the installer requires at least 24MB of RAM
[10:29] <kakalto> M0KQU, turn it into a web host :D
[10:29] <thenuke> M0KQU: for sure is
[10:29] <M0KQU> with linux ?
[10:29] <thenuke> M0KQU: you just need to know a bit or be willing to learn some, if you want to use ubuntu
[10:30] <thenuke> Like I said, you would have to do custom-install, and then install software by yourself for it
[10:30] <M0KQU> im new to linux so wanted to give it a try
[10:30] <njan> M0KQU, I have a similar laptop with slightly more ram and slightly less processor, and it works great with netbsd. I haven't had much success in getting any linux on it usably, graphically.
[10:30] <thenuke> M0KQU: ah, not a choice for newbie :)
[10:30] <thenuke> M0KQU: does that laptop have cd-rom?
[10:30] <njan> M0KQU, you'll get it to work in text mode, but if you're new to linux that may not be what you want :p
[10:30] <M0KQU> yes it has a cd rom drive
[10:30] <thenuke> M0KQU: if you have cd-rom on it, surf to www.damnsmalllinux.org
[10:31] <thenuke> it will be great choice for your old box
[10:31] <M0KQU> ok ill have a look thanks
[10:31] <kakalto> hmm
[10:31] <kakalto> I have a p2 with a really crap gfx card, I might try that
[10:31] <kakalto> my problem is the gfx card
[10:31] <kakalto> ubuntu couldn't autodetect it
[10:32] <kakalto> and, for that matter, the screen probably wasn't good anyway
[10:35] <Hylger> hy :)
[10:36] <ghatak> Hi, i need some help regarding vnc, my question is, can vnc keep running desktop applications even if get disconnected ?
[10:36] <sobersabre> Tuxicity, what's the latest stable ubuntu binary kernel ?
[10:36] <sobersabre> 2.6.10 or 2.6.11 ?
[10:36] <Hylger> 2.6.10 i think
[10:36] <sobersabre> i have a 2.6.10 one on hoary vanilla.
[10:36] <HrdwrBoB> 10
[10:36] <HrdwrBoB> 2.6.10-5
[10:37] <sobersabre> yep
[10:37] <Trickyphillips> Is running fsck on a mounted filesystem really so bad? :P
[10:37] <Tuxicity> sobersabre: HrdwrBoB knows best!
[10:38] <seeker> how can I manually edit the application menu (gnome)?
[10:38] <Hylger> I have a problem with the sound; My sound card is not detected. Can somebody help me ? I have try many action, but know they said that i must remake the alsa driver and i have error
[10:38] <Choubaka> Trickyphillips: fsck will fsck up if a change is done to the filesystem.
[10:38] <Trickyphillips> Lol.
[10:39] <Trickyphillips> I guess that's what the "WARNING! DON'T USE FSCK! RUN AWAY! STOP NOW!" message was trying to tell me.
[10:39] <Trickyphillips> :P
[10:39] <Choubaka> :P
[10:39] <HrdwrBoB> Hylger: what card is it
[10:40] <Hylger> It's a RealTek ALC650
[10:43] <seeker> no one knows how to eddit the app menu?
[10:43] <seeker> (manually)
[10:43] <Choubaka> there's some tool to it.
[10:43] <Hylger> nobody know ?
[10:43] <seeker> I am having trouble with the tool, thats why I want to do it manually
[10:44] <ollonbrus> i tried to donfigure xorg with Xorg -configure but got an error message sayng something like "couldn't find an appropiate driver"
[10:44] <seeker> (I should probebly report the bugs there as well)
[10:44] <ollonbrus> got an MSI Geforce 6800 LE
[10:44] <Choubaka> use the "nv" driver.
[10:44] <ollonbrus> And a IBM G74 17" monitor
[10:44] <ollonbrus> i'm using the nv driver....
[10:45] <seeker> Hylger, you might try http://soundcard.free-driver-download.com/RealTek/11089/Realtek-ALC650-ALC655-AC97-Audio-Driver-A2.3-For-Linux.html
[10:45] <ollonbrus> prehaps i should use the nvidia driver...
[10:45] <ollonbrus> dunno how to install it though
[10:45] <Alse> does anyone know if you can setup up a net work between winxp and ubuntu without too much hassel?
[10:45] <Hylger> Oki thx seeker for your respons :)
[10:46] <seeker> ollonbrus did you check synaptic?
[10:46] <ollonbrus> seeker: synaptic?
[10:47] <seeker> under system->admin
[10:47] <goo> ollonbrus: System -> Administration
[10:47] <seeker> it's the ubuntu auto installer (sorta)
[10:48] <ollonbrus> i cant start the x-server so i cant se that .... or is it somewhere else?
[10:48] <seeker> you can use apt get through terminal
[10:48] <goo> ollonbrus: use   apt-cache search nvidia  , then apt-get install the package you need
[10:49] <ollonbrus> ok, and then driver "nvidia" in xorg.conf?
[10:49] <seeker> ATI here as well
[10:49] <ollonbrus> the strange thing is that it worked at the first boot, is there a way to do the autoconfiguraton again?
[10:50] <ollonbrus> Me want ATI too...
[10:50] <Madeye> guys, I have only Ubuntu installed on my system, How can I install windowsXP now ?
[10:50] <seeker> through terminal?
[10:51] <ollonbrus> Madeye: If you want to still have ubuntu on your system and dualboot you must have an empty partition or harddrive. If you have that you just tell the winxp intaller to install itself on that partition...
[10:51] <ollonbrus> Be aware that you'll need to reinstall grub to the mbr after doing that if the windowsdisk is the primary disk
[10:52] <ollonbrus> or  if the linuxdisk is connected during install
[10:52] <seeker> if you don't have a partition be sure to make one *before* you start installing!
[10:52] <Madeye> ollonbrus,  my problem is, when I installed ubuntu I have choosed use entire disk for ubuntu How can I create partition now ?
[10:53] <ollonbrus> i dont know if there are any tools to resize ext3 partitions... google for that...
[10:53] <ollonbrus> or if yoyu want to, you can buy a new disk, they're so cheep these days :D
[10:53] <Burgundavia> ollonbrus, parted, with its frontends {g|qt}parted will do it
[10:54] <spacedman> cant you resize with "parted" and the gui version "qtparted"?
[10:54] <Madeye> allorder,  I have another hdd, but linux wont recognize it, when I boot, on loading grub I got 99 99 99 99 etc..
[10:55] <ollonbrus> Madeye: make sure the second disk is properly connected and that the jumper setting are correct
[10:55] <seeker> (second try) anyone know how to *manually* eddit the app. menu?
[10:55] <Madeye> ollonbrus,  its correct, I have checked it with ubuntu live cd, it works, but it didn't work with the installed ubuntu
[10:57] <ollonbrus> Madeye: that's odd, i'll check into the problem more when i get home - right now i'm in school and unfortuneately i've got to leave now....
[10:57] <ollonbrus> good luck!
[10:57] <Madeye> ollonbrus,  ok then catch you later
[10:58] <Madeye> thank you
[10:58] <Hylger> seeker, i've download your fill but it doesn't work when i try to make it
[10:58] <Hylger> make[1] : *** [dep]  Erreur 1
[10:58] <Hylger> make[1] : quittant le rpertoire  /home/morphx/Desktop/al/alsa-driver-0.9.4 
[10:58] <Hylger> make: *** [include/sndversions.h]  Erreur 2
[10:59] <seeker> what was the sound card again?
[11:00] <Hylger> ALC 650
[11:01] <Ekaitza> Hello everybody..
[11:01] <chicken_man> :P
[11:01] <Madeye> sometimes linux suck it,
[11:01] <Madeye> Hi Ekaitza
[11:02] <Ekaitza> I'm working with a linux Ubuntu in my ibook g4, which works great
[11:02] <Hylger> hi
[11:02] <chicken_man> ewwwwwww ibook
[11:02] <seeker> Hylger, check out this post http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-4253.html
[11:03] <Hylger> oki thx
[11:03] <Madeye> mine working just fine, but having weird issue
[11:03] <Ekaitza> the question is that I like having my Macos and from time to time I like using a live cd with Ubuntu
[11:03] <Ekaitza> does anybody know if it is possible saving in a cd the configuration??
[11:04] <chicken_man> Ekaitza , unless the cd is open for writeing no
[11:04] <Ekaitza> that's what I mean
[11:04] <chicken_man> ehhhh
[11:04] <chicken_man> i dunno
[11:05] <Ekaitza> is there any way of leaving it open or making changes on the iso file??
[11:05] <chicken_man> what tool do you use to burn cd's ?
[11:05] <Ekaitza> I know there are some programs to change iso files
[11:05] <Ekaitza> if I'm working with windows Nero
[11:06] <chicken_man> ahhhh try window alchol 120%
[11:06] <chicken_man> windows*
[11:06] <chicken_man> alcohol * <can't spell it lol
[11:08] <Ekaitza> I'll try ;)
[11:09] <chicken_man> yes i love alcohol 120% always works for me ;)
[11:09] <Ekaitza> so, the point is just leaving it open??
[11:09] <Ekaitza> do you think it's going to work??
[11:09] <chicken_man> yea look through the burn options
[11:10] <chicken_man> i can't be sure but it should do
[11:11] <chicken_man> i got to get some food it's 10am here brb :P
[11:14] <dwd> Hiya folks. I'm running Debian amd64. I'm skimming the website, but haven't yet discovered whether Ubuntu supports a 64-bit build, yet, and haven't yet discovered whether I can apt-get across from Debian to Ubuntu, nor whether I really ought to switch anyway. Anyone free to have their brains picked?
[11:16] <dwd> Ah, okay, found the architecture list by looking in the downloads bit.
[11:16] <mjc> dwd, my attempts to dpkg -i packages made for i386 fail..
[11:19] <fabbione> 4
[11:19] <Burgundavia> dwd, you can use debian sources, but they may break
[11:19] <Burgundavia> dwd, most of Debian is already in Ubuntu
[11:20] <Burgundavia> dwd, generally, Ubuntu is Debian Sid, polished up and released every six months
[11:21] <Burgundavia> dwd, any further questions, while the channel is quiet?
[11:23] <dwd> Burgundavia: Right... But, given a running Debian install, it's okay to switch my apt sources to Ubuntu and just upgrade?
[11:23] <Burgundavia> there is a woody-->warty
[11:23] <Burgundavia> and a warty-->hoary
[11:23] <Burgundavia> you might try sarge-->hoary
[11:23] <Burgundavia> sid-->hoary is a no go
[11:24] <Burgundavia> but sid-->breezy is a sort of go
[11:24] <Burgundavia> as breezy is synced to sid
[11:24] <Burgundavia> but I would wait until mid-may for that
[11:24] <Burgundavia> that make it clearer?
[11:25] <snowblink> any news on FF 1.0.3?
[11:25] <Madeye> guys, How can I check if my winmodem driver is the correct one, and How to check to which modem port its connected?
[11:26] <Burgundavia> snowblink, the security fixes will be backported to 1.0.2 for hoary
[11:28] <itay> I want to install alsa from source
[11:29] <pixil9> apt-get build i think
[11:29] <itay> and I have got a problem in the onfigure
[11:29] <itay> configure*
[11:29] <Burgundavia> itay, I would get the Ubuntu sources
[11:29] <pixil9> noe hmm
[11:29] <kakalto> I half-expect the topic to be RTFM
[11:29] <itay> so how should I install it?
[11:29] <Burgundavia> kakalto, that is non-Ubuntu
[11:29] <pixil9> apt-get source i think
[11:29] <Burgundavia> apt-get source gets it
[11:29] <Burgundavia> then read the pbuilderhowto on the wiki
[11:29] <Burgundavia> and the build it with that
[11:30] <itay> E: Unable to find a source package for alsa
[11:30] <Burgundavia> and then install the driver on your system
[11:30] <Burgundavia> itay, it might not be alsa
[11:30] <Burgundavia> itay, look on packages.ubuntu.com for it
[11:30] <itay> so what the package name?
[11:30] <itay> ok
[11:31] <itay> itay@ubuntu:~$ sudo apt-get install alsa-source
[11:31] <itay> what now?
[11:32] <kakalto> Burgundavia, ah, of course, 'linux for human beings"
[11:32] <kakalto> not for man-users :P
[11:32] <itay> when I configure alsa-lib
[11:32] <itay> I get that error:
[11:32] <itay> configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check
[11:33] <Burgundavia> itay, have you installed build-essential?
[11:33] <itay> no, to install?
[11:34] <itay> thank you!
[11:35] <Burgundavia> itay, that will get you all your compilers, as they are not installed by default
[11:35] <Solatis> is it safe already to upgrade to hoary, nvidia-wise ?
[11:35] <Burgundavia> Solatis, Hoary is stable, so yes
[11:35] <itay> so why ubuntu doesn't install them by default?
[11:35] <Solatis> as in, there was a buggy nvidia driver in one of the last release candidates of hoary
[11:35] <Burgundavia> Solatis, as any upgrade is safe
[11:35] <Burgundavia> things may break for some people
[11:36] <Solatis> Burgundavia: any idea what the version of the nvidia kernel in hoary is ?
[11:36] <mz2> Solatis, should work fine now
[11:36] <Burgundavia> Solatis, you might want to check packages.ubuntu.com and look for restricted-modules
[11:36] <Burgundavia> Solatis, can't tell you offhand
[11:36] <mz2> Solatis, 7174
[11:38] <MrM__> how can i enable printer administration through the cups web interface in 5.04?
[11:43] <involved> has anyone got a Lexmark 1100 printer to work with any linux distro?
[11:44] <kent> what does this meen? ->  mandb: warning: /usr/share/man/man1/oohtml2.1.gz is a dangling symlink
[11:44] <involved> is it possible to make keyboard shortcuts (edited by the gnome app) work with XMMS? it doesn't seem to work..
[11:48] <MrM__> kent: a dangling symlink is a symbolic link whose destination does not exist
[11:49] <kent> MrM__, so would that make this a bug? Anacrons daily report about my Ubuntu Hoary system tells me this for the OpenOffice.org2 manuals.
[11:50] <Kreiger> now then
[11:53] <kakalto> I've decided I don't like suse
[11:53] <kakalto> they don't even offer an open circulation for download on their site
[11:53] <HrdwrBoB> hence why ubuntu rocks :)
[11:53] <MrM__> kent, no idea
[11:54] <Burgundavia> kakalto, they offer 9.3 live dvd
[11:54] <Burgundavia> I played with it in qemu
[11:54] <Burgundavia> the link is on distrowatch
[11:54] <kakalto> live
[11:54] <kakalto> not install
[11:55] <Burgundavia> hmm
[11:55] <Burgundavia> is suse
[11:55] <involved> that's why I also changed from SuSE to ubuntu..
[11:56] <involved> and from RH to Debian in the gateway..
[11:56] <HrdwrBoB> heh
[11:57] <HrdwrBoB> my gateway runs openwrt
[11:57] <kent> kakalto, what do you meen by "dont offer an open circulation for download on their site"?  I have never used suse..
[11:57] <involved> kent, you can't download the .iso and install.. it's kinda confusing.. you get the feeling that you are using something illegal..
[11:58] <kent> involved, how do you get the iso then? Or is it not possible at all to fetch their iso's for free?
[11:59] <involved> you can.. but it's not when it is released.. it's later..
[11:59] <involved> and there are only a few mirrors with packages updates also.. at least here in Portugal..
[12:00] <Kreiger> wow.. been awhile since i used ubuntu. how do i get into sources.list as root again?
[12:00] <kent> involved, ok.  Do suse have a 6 month release like Fedora and Ubuntu?
[12:00] <involved> no
[12:00] <kent> Kreiger, "sudo nano sources.list"?
[12:00] <Bazzi> Kreiger sudo vim /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:00] <Kreiger> ....
[12:00] <kent> Kreiger, or use synaptic.
[12:00] <Kreiger> which one is it?
[12:00] <Albacker> guys, mv command doesnt work. how can I alias, mv2 to 'cat file > file2; rm -rf file' ?
[12:00] <kakalto> what's wrong with XFree86?
[12:00] <itay> I have got a problem while configuring alsa-utils:
[12:01] <kakalto> and what's better about Xorg?
[12:01] <itay> configure: error: this packages requires a curses library
[12:01] <involved> those 6 month releases were the reason why I choose debian instead of Ubuntu for the gateway.. :)
[12:01] <dwd> kakalto: Wrong with XFRee86 is that the license is weird. This led to the mass exodus of most of the developers.
[12:01] <itay> I searched in packages.ubuntu.com and "apt-cache search", but I didn't find a new packaeg
[12:01] <itay> how do I get the curses library?
[12:01] <Kreiger> Well, actually, kent, i wanted to upgrade from warty to hoary
[12:01] <involved> itay, ncurses
[12:01] <Kreiger> can i do that in synaptic?
[12:02] <dwd> kakalto: X.org is under constant development, (it's just a fork), and has no licensing issues.
[12:02] <kakalto> ahk
[12:02] <ek_> you can do it in synaptics
[12:02] <pixil9> hmm
[12:02] <itay> involved, it's already installed
[12:02] <dwd> kakalto: It does pretties, basically. :-)
[12:02] <kent> Kreiger, Both mine and Bazzi's example work. His example is using vim, which is a kind of ugly editor, its hard to use for new users.  Just open the /etc/apt/sources.list file and change every "warty" into "hoary" and then run sudo apt-get update,  and then sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:03] <_axel> is nvdia fixed in hoary-release?
[12:03] <Bazzi> vim ain't ugly!
[12:03] <Kreiger> I'm changing all warty to hoary in synaptic
[12:03] <kent> _axel, everything is fixed in Hoary.
[12:03] <itay> how can I get the curses library or why configure doesn't find it?
[12:03] <_axel> kent: cool, thanks
[12:03] <krusbjorn> itay: you probably need the ncurses dev package
[12:03] <kev0r> any SciTE users here?
[12:04] <kent> _axel, as soon as a distrubution turns stable, it only gets security- and bug-fixes.
[12:04] <involved> Kreiger, yes.. just go to: settings-> repositories-> edit
[12:04] <nixbox> i cant lock my screen in ubuntu, i am pressing the lock button but it aint happenin?
[12:04] <gorilla_> _axel, I did a warty->hoary upgrade and that was the easiest way to fix the nvidia driver issue :-)
[12:04] <Atholas> I have created a 250MB swap partition when I install Ubuntu, but df shows that the swap partition mounted is only 5MB in size. Why is this?
[12:04] <_axel> kent: yes, i know that, but since nvidia was broken in rc1, i just wanted to make sure... dont feel like recompiling it myself again and etc
[12:04] <pixil9> Atholas, you messed up bad
[12:04] <kakalto> dwd, I realise what X does, I just wasn't sure what was up with XF86
[12:05] <pixil9> Atholas, Now your swap can never be bigger.. _ever_
[12:05] <dwd> Atholas: df shouldn't show a swap partition at all...
[12:05] <itay> this one: libncursesw5-dev?
[12:05] <dwd> kakalto: No, I mean there's *new* pretty stuff in X.org. :-) Like compositing.
[12:05] <itay> no. still have the error
[12:05] <krusbjorn> itay: i think it is the libncurses5-dev
[12:05] <kakalto> hehe
[12:05] <kakalto> *new* :D
[12:05] <Kreiger> from command line, how do i open sources.list?
[12:06] <dwd> Atholas: You sure you're not confusing swap with tmpfs? What does "free -m" say?
[12:06] <stazz> Is there any repositories with rapid updates available?
[12:06] <stazz> As in testing-repositories?
[12:06] <stazz> or some that will break my system if use them?
[12:06] <involved> Kreiger, you can do it in synaptic.. read what i told u
[12:06] <Atholas> dwd: 266MB
[12:06] <Kreiger> i got null errors
[12:06] <itay> thank you! It's working!
[12:06] <krusbjorn> itay: yay! :)
[12:06] <dwd> Atholas: What, free -m says you have 266M swap? Then you do. :-)
[12:07] <ek_> Kreiger, sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:07] <stazz> and.. anyone know how to get involved with maintaining the repositories?
[12:07] <Kreiger> THANK you
[12:07] <kent> _axel, I had problems with nvidia during Hoary development (My tnt2-card could not use that driver) but I tried the driver when Hoary became stable and it works now. I have been running the nvidia driver with out problems..
[12:07] <kakalto> I like Xandros, they have a good idea, making "Great", "Good" and "Free" versions
[12:07] <ek_> Kreiger, in sources.list replace warty with hoary
[12:07] <dwd> Kreiger: Or sudo vi /etc/sources.list - Then type :%s/warty/hoary/g
[12:07] <Atholas> dwd: but why is it that the mount point of my swap partition is "none", and df shows that none is 5MB?
[12:08] <Kreiger> i did that, ek, now trying to remember how to save it
[12:08] <ek_> ctrl-X
[12:08] <dwd> Atholas: df doesn;t show swap. Swap isn't mounted, as such. df *does* show tmpfs, however, which you might be using. That'll just grow or shrink depending on what's used.
[12:09] <goo> Atholas: use the command free
[12:10] <dwd> Atholas: But tmpfs isn't swap, in case that's not clear. tmpfs is a scratch filesystem held in memory, used for things like lock files, POSIX shared memory, and other things you needn't care about much.
[12:10] <Atholas> dwd: This is quite strange. I got tmpfs, but also something called none in df.
[12:11] <dwd> Atholas: Yep, that's normal. WHere's it mounted? (The last column)
[12:11] <itay> /etc/modules.conf is /etc/modules in ubuntu?
[12:12] <Atholas> dwd: /dev. But /dev in turn is mounted on /.dev according to df.
[12:12] <dwd> Atholas: Oh, and do "df -Th", which'll print the filesystem type.
[12:12] <krusbjorn> itay: there is an modules.conf file too, right?
[12:12] <itay> no
[12:13] <Kreiger> how large is ubuntu hoary filesize wise?
[12:13] <krusbjorn> itay: thats strange, i have one
[12:13] <Choubaka> depends on what you install.
[12:13] <itay> itay@ubuntu:/etc/modutils$ cat /etc/mod
[12:13] <itay> modprobe.d/ modules     modutils/
[12:13] <dwd> Atholas: /dev is where the "special device files" live. Basically they're pretend files that just exist to make things like disks, memory, etc all look like files.
[12:13] <Kreiger> Well, i ran warty 4.10, and it seemed to install everything... but now i'm dist-upgrading from warty.
[12:14] <Kreiger> i'm on a 4 gb drive, to get unrusty before i format my xp drive, and i'm worried about space
[12:14] <dwd> Atholas: If you have something mounted there, it's probably devfs or some other magic filesystem. Technically a "virtual filesystem", meaning it doesn't exist on a disk anywhere.
[12:14] <Atholas> dwd: Ahh.. it is a tmpfs :) thanks a lot. It's just that totem doesn't want to run totally because I'm supposedly out of ram, and what I saw in df kind of make me suspect that the harddrive is partitioned incorrectly, which I simply let Ubuntu to take care of my harddrive.
[12:14] <goo> Gah. Why oh why doesn't paste into Firefox open the url i am pasting?
[12:15] <dwd> Atholas: Okay. free -m tells you about ram. You need to look at the second number in the second line, generally.
[12:16] <dwd> Atholas: The second number in the third line is how many M of swap you're using - that should be low.
[12:16] <Atholas> dwd: Thanks a lot dwd, you are great.
[12:16] <dwd> Atholas: I know. ;-)
[12:17] <Atholas> dwd: :) Just one more thing, what is this -/+ buffers/cache thing right underneath Mem?
[12:17] <pixil9> I don't really get free.. it says i'm using 100% ram but gkrellm says I'm using like 40%
[12:17] <dwd> Atholas: What's the error in Totem, exactly?
[12:18] <dwd> pixil9: Yes, both are correct. free -m tells you about total usage, including filesystem buffering, etc. This should be 100%. The second line tells you about memory not used for buffering and cache, which is the critical one.
[12:18] <Atholas> dwd: I ran it and it closes immediately. So I ran it under console to catch the error message and it says something like "insufficient resources" or something like that. Naturally I assume that it is because I'm running low on memory.
[12:18] <involved> is it possible to make keyboard shortcuts (edited by the gnome app) work with XMMS? it doesn't seem to work..
[12:18] <pixil9> ah neato.
[12:18] <pisuke> hi. any exif editor, something like easytag but for pics? googled and freshmeated but found nothing
[12:19] <kakalto> how does the codeweavers trial work?
[12:19] <dwd> Atholas: "insufficient resources" is a little vague... What's the actual text it prints? (Run it in a terminal window, highlight the text it prints, and middle-click on the IRC client.)
[12:20] <kakalto> bah
[12:20] <kakalto> I'm off
[12:22] <pixil9> what's a program i can use to wake on lan?
[12:22] <pixil9> i hate walking up 3 floors
[12:22] <pixil9> n/m found etherwake
[12:23] <Burgundavia> pisuke, gthumb may be able to do it
[12:23] <Burgundavia> dwd, if you see a bug, file it bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[12:23] <stazz> does anyone know where gnome saves the state of fonts rendered?
[12:26] <Atholas> dwd: I can't reproduce it again now. But I remember it said something about "BadAloc"
[12:26] <razorskin[504] > hi
[12:26] <Burgundavia> salut razorskin[504] 
[12:27] <razorskin[504] > I have a question: how can i change the default windowmanager in gdm?
[12:28] <pixil9> Why the hell would you install ubuntu and not use gnome??
[12:28] <bit0> razorskin[504] , look at /etc/X11/default...
[12:28] <krusbjorn> razorskin: install your WM and then choose it under "sessions"
[12:28] <razorskin[504] > i will use window maker :)
[12:28] <Burgundavia> pixil9, because you want the polished interior?
[12:28] <krusbjorn> pixil9: because you are short of RAM?
[12:28] <pixil9> what do you mean?
[12:28] <pixil9> well wouldn't you just install debian lol.
[12:29] <Choubaka> pixil9: It's not the same thing.
[12:29] <pixil9> It is when apt-get x-window-system and the wm you need
[12:29] <Choubaka> Ubuntu is a lot more than just a usable gnome-system.
[12:29] <Choubaka> pixil9: no
[12:30] <pixil9> Well I have yet to see that
[12:30] <itay> I still have problems with the sound.....
[12:30] <itay> even after installing alsa from source
[12:30] <pixil9> itay: it's detected on boot?
[12:30] <itay> no
[12:31] <razorskin[504] > i want to change the login defaults to windowmaker because i want to login automatically
[12:31] <pixil9> ah
[12:31] <itay> now I have alsaconf
[12:31] <pixil9> Will alsa load a module for it?
[12:31] <itay> I change the /etc/modules and created /etc/modules.conf too
[12:32] <pixil9> what kind of card is it
[12:32] <Choubaka> pixil9: the difference between debian and ubuntu is that Ubuntu comes with up-to-date packages, but half of the packages don't get upgraded every other day like in debian unstable/sarge
[12:32] <itay> intel
[12:32] <Choubaka> and the default configuration is more suitable for desktop use.
[12:32] <pisuke> Burgundavia: with gthumb I just can change the date of editing, not the date the photo was taken
[12:32] <cartel_> i dont doubt debians qc process.. sarge will rock
[12:32] <cartel_> but it may rock too late
[12:32] <pixil9> itay: you've done all of the www.ubuntuguide.org stuff
[12:33] <pixil9> ?
[12:34] <pixil9> itay: I don't really know how alsa works but I thought your soundcard had to be loaded up at boot with a module of some sort
[12:34] <Weiss> cartel_, Choubaka: indeed... more than three YEARS between stable releases is a bit silly
[12:34] <itay> here is my modules and modules.conf: http://pastebin.com/273572
[12:34] <pixil9> sarge works fine the way it is
[12:34] <Choubaka> Of course it does.
[12:35] <Choubaka> but as of now you have to download 200MB of packages every week to keep it up-to-date
[12:35] <itay> http://pastebin.com/273573
[12:36] <Choubaka> That's why so many newbies come to the ubuntu channels asking "is it possible there's nothing to upgrade after I did apt-get update?"
[12:36] <pixil9> Whats the exact model of your soundcard?
[12:36] <pixil9> maybe it's not supported
[12:36] <itay> what should I do? install OSS??
[12:36] <razorskin[504] > ls
[12:36] <razorskin[504] > lol -.-
[12:37] <krusbjorn> itay: have you searched the forums carefully for people with similar problems?
[12:37] <itay> not in ubuntu forum
[12:37] <krusbjorn> itay: give it a try :)
[12:38] <itay> ok. i will. and why  not to install OSS?
[12:38] <pixil9> How can you list loaded modules?
[12:39] <lizdeika> lsmod
[12:40] <pixil9> itay: is alsa in /etc/init.d/
[12:40] <IIIEars> Hello!
[12:40] <IIIEars> Grub is giving me "Exit Code 18" - How do i fix it?
[12:41] <pixil9> hmm i need a cable to hookup my tvtuner
[12:41] <tomek> Hallo - I just got the following error while updating package list: "W: GPG error: http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-security Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com>"
[12:41] <tomek> Any hints ?
[12:42] <IIIEars> thats sounds pretty serious  tomek
[12:42] <cartel_> tomek: you may be behind a proxy giving you older copy of files
[12:42] <IIIEars> I would skip the upgrade for now.
[12:43] <itay> should I put soundcore in the modules?
[12:43] <tomek> IIIEars: well I just umarked universe and multiverse - wanting to ubdate list of packages and check for an update and got this...
[12:43] <cartel_> that way no cache....
[12:43] <pixil9> Can you get 5.1 sound?
[12:43] <pixil9> I just realized only my two front are working
[12:44] <cartel_> pixil9: maybe you will need to write the howto
[12:45] <pixil9> ?
[12:45] <itay> should I put soundcore in the modules?
[12:45] <tomek> cartel_: I am behind a proxy - so I should just wait for the proxy to update its cache - or I can do something about that ?
[12:45] <involved> bye*
[12:48] <Puckaroo> hi, i have a tiny problem with my tvcard, can anyone help please?
[12:50] <Puckaroo> hi? anyone around ?
[12:51] <Seveas> no :)
[12:51] <Puckaroo> lol
[12:51] <tomek> A diffrent thing: I am still having some minor problems with firefox - e.g. "Plugin Finder Service" dialog is broken - no text on buttons and basicly no reacting to anything - had anybody similar problems ?
[12:51] <Puckaroo> hi can you help me please, my tvcard down't seem to wanna work
[12:52] <pixil9> Puckaroo: is it in dmesg?
[12:52] <Puckaroo> it used to but i just started xawtv and i get sound but no image
[12:52] <Puckaroo> what is dmesg?
[12:52] <Puckaroo> sorry i'm pretty new to this
[12:52] <pixil9> dmesg > temp
[12:52] <MachineScrew> dmesg prints out the kernel boot up log
[12:52] <pixil9> pico temp
[12:52] <pixil9> look for the card
[12:53] <krusbjorn> tomek: even if that dialog would work, you probably wouldnt be able to find any plug-ins with it ;P basically you have to install most plugins manually
[12:53] <pixil9> bttv0: Bt878 (rev 17) at 0000:00:09.0, irq: 5, latency: 32, mmio: 0xef001000
[12:53] <pixil9> bttv0: detected: Hauppauge WinTV [card=10] , PCI subsystem ID is 0070:13eb
[12:53] <pixil9> that's mine
[12:53] <MachineScrew> how is ubuntu compared to FC3
[12:53] <pixil9> MachineScrew, Ubuntu is amazing. I switched from windows because of it
[12:53] <Puckaroo> i'm searching just a sec
[12:53] <MachineScrew> I that what I heard
[12:54] <Burgundavia> MachineScrew, the major differences are apt
[12:54] <Burgundavia> MachineScrew, as well as being the only product of canonical
[12:54] <MachineScrew> I have apt in FC
[12:54] <MyNameIsChris> MachineScrew, Sys. configuration is more difficult
[12:54] <Burgundavia> good sensible defaults
[12:54] <MachineScrew> in Ubuntu
[12:55] <MachineScrew> Ok has any one tried it on a laptop
[12:55] <Puckaroo> i can't seem to find it
[12:55] <Burgundavia> MachineScrew, is very good on a latop
[12:55] <dazed> MachineScrew: i use it on a laptop daily
[12:55] <pixil9> Well it's probably not detected then.
[12:55] <Puckaroo> but it was working yesterday and i didn't touch anything
[12:55] <pixil9> o.
[12:55] <pixil9> haha
[12:56] <MachineScrew> hmm
[12:56] <tahorg> looks like evolution is still broken in breezy :)
[12:56] <pixil9> reseat it or something
[12:56] <tomek> krusbjorn: meaby - but it should work anyway
[12:56] <pixil9> lol
[12:56] <Seveas> tahorg, broken in what way?
[12:56] <Burgundavia> MachineScrew, having used both, I would recommend ubuntu
[12:56] <Puckaroo> and how do i do that
[12:56] <MachineScrew> I am just concerned about my WiFi
[12:56] <tahorg> Seveas: it doesn't install
[12:56] <tahorg>   evolution: Depends: libcamel1.2-3 (>= 1.2.2) but it is not going to be installed
[12:56] <tahorg>              Depends: evolution-data-server (>= 1.2.1) but it is not going to be installed
[12:56] <Burgundavia> MachineScrew, I would try the livecd
[12:57] <Burgundavia> MachineScrew, the livecd and the install have the same hardware detection
[12:57] <dazed> MachineScrew: i got wifi on my laptop took some settingup but...damn its linux and its going to do that on any dist...so might as well be ubu
[12:57] <tahorg> I forced installation of libcamel1.2-3_1.2.2-1ubuntu1_i386.deb
[12:57] <tahorg> but it still yields at me
[12:57] <tahorg>   evolution-data-server: Depends: libcamel1.2-3 (>= 1.2.2) but it is not going to be installed
[12:57] <Seveas> then just wait for it to be fixed :)
[12:57] <carambol> i want to go back to ubuntu as default...how to do that?
[12:57] <tahorg> (which is really strange)
[12:57] <dazed> tahorg: do apt-get -f install gets ur dependencies
[12:57] <Burgundavia> carambol, in what program? grub?
[12:57] <MachineScrew> it was damned easy in FC it just works
[12:57] <Seveas> i'm sticking to hoary for the time being
[12:57] <carambol> yep
[12:57] <tahorg> dazed: already tried
[12:57] <Burgundavia> MachineScrew, it should in Ubuntu as well
[12:58] <dazed> tahorg: hmmmm
[12:58] <MachineScrew> but in SuSE it is a pain in the german ass
[12:58] <carambol> Burgundavia...iam in Breezy
[12:58] <Burgundavia> MachineScrew, hardware detection cross-distro is odd
[12:58] <Burgundavia> carambol, hmm, brave of you
[12:58] <MachineScrew> ya that is what I am wondering
[12:59] <carambol> :) no probs sofar
[12:59] <dazed> not brave...its too new to have problems yet
[12:59] <MachineScrew> so the live ISO is the way to go for now
[12:59] <Burgundavia> MachineScrew, try the livecd, if it works there, it should work in the install
[12:59] <dazed> MachineScrew: id doo the full install
[12:59] <carambol> Burgundavia ..Grub,yep
[12:59] <dazed> lol
[12:59] <MachineScrew> ok
[01:00] <Burgundavia> carambol, hmm, dig in your menu.lst in /boot/grub
[01:00] <carambol> ok
[01:00] <MachineScrew> what about unneeded progams and services
[01:00] <IIIEars> hm - cfdisk has created partitions 1,  , 3, 4, 5, - Why is that?
[01:00] <Burgundavia> MachineScrew, no open ports by default
[01:00] <carambol> so as evlm
[01:00] <Burgundavia> MachineScrew, only one program for each task by default
[01:00] <Burgundavia> MachineScrew, sudo by default
[01:01] <MachineScrew> I hate having to remove all the shit progs
[01:01] <Burgundavia> MachineScrew, no installer by default
[01:01] <Handyman> hi. could any of you be so kind as to send me the init.d/sendmail-script please?
[01:01] <Choubaka> Hm.
[01:01] <Choubaka> Grub is confusing :(
[01:01] <Burgundavia> MachineScrew, sorry, no compiler by default
[01:01] <Choubaka> I wonder if there's a way to make splashy work with lilo
[01:02] <IIIEars> lol and i am new to linux - grin
[01:02] <carambol> if have install opera8...how to get it in the menu?
[01:02] <carambol> if=i
[01:02] <tahorg> Choubaka: why still use lilo ? grub is so better
[01:02] <Choubaka> Why is it better?
[01:02] <MachineScrew> damn so how many pkgs (and dependencies) am I going to apt here after install
[01:02] <Choubaka> Lilo is a lot easier to use.
[01:02] <tahorg> Choubaka: it has a cli interface
[01:02] <sobersabre> how can i import my mail from thunderbird into evolution ? is there a converter ?
[01:03] <Burgundavia> carambol, look in the 3rd party tools on the ubuntu forums for a the menu editor
[01:03] <Choubaka> tahorg: so?
[01:03] <tahorg> Choubaka: when you screw the config file, it still runs
[01:03] <carambol> ok
[01:03] <Choubaka> I don't understand crap about grub's config.
[01:03] <tahorg> Choubaka: you don't stay stucked to a LI thingy
[01:03] <MachineScrew> man grub
[01:03] <MachineScrew> then it will become clear
[01:03] <MachineScrew> (not)
[01:04] <MachineScrew> lol
[01:04] <Choubaka> not.
[01:04] <tahorg> Choubaka: it's not harder than lilo at all
[01:04] <Choubaka> ok
[01:04] <sobersabre> how can i extract mail from thunderbird into evolution ?
[01:04] <IIIEars> lol - man shows me everything i -can- do with it but it won't tell me what i should do. - rofl
[01:04] <MachineScrew> it realy isn't
[01:04] <Choubaka> so explain to me wtf is hd(0,1) and whatever.
[01:04] <sobersabre> Choubaka, it is /dev/hda2
[01:04] <MachineScrew> hd is hard drive
[01:04] <tahorg> (hd0,1) == hda2
[01:05] <Choubaka> What's wrong with the traditional /dev/* system?
[01:05] <MachineScrew> 0 is the first partion
[01:05] <sobersabre> hd(1,0) is /dev/hdb1
[01:05] <MachineScrew> hell in FC its worse
[01:05] <tahorg> Choubaka: grub is compatible with lots of OS
[01:05] <sobersabre> Choubaka, traditional /dev/ naming sux.
[01:05] <sobersabre> :)
[01:05] <Choubaka> also, hmm
[01:05] <tahorg> Choubaka: only linux uses the hda(x) naming
[01:05] <IIIEars> i have something up with the disk cfdisk didn't sequentially ordered partitions and omitted partition 2 in the numbering.
[01:06] <sobersabre> anybody: ideas on how can i extract mail from thunderbird into evolution ?
[01:06] <sobersabre> except sending it over gmail.
[01:07] <no0tic> I found this line on my boot log: localhost kernel: ACPI: Looking for DSDT in initrd... not found!
[01:07] <MachineScrew> it dosn't matter about partition numbering it will work
[01:07] <stazz> my firefox can't do the middle-mouse-paste-thingie, as in, if I have a link at clipboard, and press middlemouse to the html-rendering-area, it doesn't open it, why is this?
[01:07] <no0tic> what does it mean?
[01:07] <tahorg> sobersabre: ~/.mozilla-thunderbird/(some_random_name)/Mail/Local Folders/
[01:07] <Choubaka> how can I pass an "hda=stroke" parameter with grub?
[01:08] <Choubaka> like I do with lilo with the "append" stanza
[01:08] <sobersabre> tahorg, you mean cp ?
[01:08] <sobersabre> ?!?!?!?!
[01:08] <tahorg> sobersabre: there is an Inbox.sbd/Inbox IIRC which is mailbox formt
[01:08] <matt1987> hello can anyoen tell me how to insta winamp its a .bin file
[01:08] <MachineScrew> no0tic: thunderbird is posesed. actualy do you have Emulate 3rd button in your xorg.conf
[01:08] <tahorg> sobersabre: you can drag'n'drop it in evo
[01:09] <MachineScrew> matt: is winamp execuatble
[01:09] <no0tic> MachineScrew: I haven't asked that
[01:09] <sobersabre> tahorg, i don't need inbox. it is on server. i need folders. so are they in the same format ?
[01:09] <no0tic> MachineScrew: I found this line on my boot log: localhost kernel: ACPI: Looking for DSDT in initrd... not found!
[01:10] <MachineScrew> oh my bad
[01:10] <sobersabre> there's mailbox, maildir etc. who is using which ?
[01:10] <krusbjorn> no0tic: i think acpi is some laptop stuff - battery and thermal information, lid closure and stuff like that...i think :P
[01:10] <matt1987> yes it is
[01:10] <no0tic> krusbjorn: I know, but in some way connected to processor?
[01:10] <MachineScrew> matt then just run ./winamp.bin in a console
[01:10] <tahorg> sobersabre: mailbox is a big file with all the mails concatenated
[01:10] <jbailey> no0tic: That's alright.
[01:11] <no0tic> krusbjorn: 'cause it has problem detecting cpu freq
[01:11] <jbailey> no0tic: If you're on a laptop, you can modify your DSDT table by placing it in a special place and it will get picked up.
[01:11] <Choubaka> hm
[01:11] <jbailey> no0tic: That message is just saying that you haven't done that.
[01:11] <MachineScrew> where did you find the winamp.bin
[01:11] <MachineScrew> what is it
[01:11] <MachineScrew> can't be winamp
[01:12] <Choubaka> Why not?
[01:12] <Choubaka> There's a crappy pre-alpha winamp linux port that has been abandoned. :)
[01:13] <MachineScrew> I didn't think that winamp was made for linux
[01:13] <sobersabre> tahorg, so ... how all your info helps me now ? :)
[01:13] <IIIEars> where is grub located?
[01:13] <MachineScrew> just use XMMS
[01:13] <no0tic> jbailey: but it refers to cpu? it can be the reason why my cpu freq is not rightly detected?
[01:13] <matt1987> look on google :winamp for linux
[01:13] <Choubaka> tahorg: can you help me?
[01:13] <sobersabre> i know where the email is stored on both programs. i don't want to cat & grep it manually.
[01:13] <IIIEars> er the configuration file...
[01:13] <MachineScrew> i di
[01:13] <MachineScrew> d
[01:13] <Choubaka> how do I give kernel parameters using grub?
[01:13] <Seveas> IIIEars, in /boot/grub and on the first 512 bytes of your harddik
[01:13] <Seveas> IIIEars, /boot/grub/menu.lst
[01:13] <IIIEars> Great! - Thanks :)
[01:13] <tahorg> Choubaka: winamp on linux is called xmms
[01:14] <Seveas> tahorg, or beep
[01:14] <Seveas> (gnome xmms port)
[01:14] <Choubaka> tahorg: ehh
[01:14] <Choubaka> There's a Winamp for Linux too
[01:14] <tahorg> Seveas: beep is gtk2 not gnome
[01:14] <matt1987> http://www.dawnload.net/alternative_platforms/linux_software/winamp_for_linux.cfm
[01:14] <Choubaka> But it's crappy, and it doesn't run.
[01:14] <eruin> ugh
[01:14] <Choubaka> so don't use it
[01:15] <Seveas> tahorg, same difference ;)
[01:15] <Choubaka> :D
[01:15] <eruin> how do I put the output of a command in a text file?
[01:15] <eruin> :-)
[01:15] <Choubaka> Seveas: XMMS is for gnome too :p
[01:15] <Seveas> (and yes i know the difference tahorg)
[01:15] <Kreiger> hokay
[01:15] <Kreiger> i BELIEVE hoary is up.
[01:15] <tahorg> Seveas:  xmms is gtk1.2
[01:15] <Seveas> Choubaka, sure, all X apps run with gnome
[01:15] <MachineScrew> ls > textfile.txt
[01:15] <tahorg> Seveas: it's as much a gnome app as beep :)
[01:15] <Seveas> ah
[01:15] <Choubaka> Seveas: XMMS was made using GTK 1.2
[01:15] <Seveas> ok, my bad
[01:15] <Choubaka> and Beep was made using GTK 2.0
[01:16] <Seveas> still, xmms is uglier than beep :)
[01:16] <Choubaka> yes
[01:16] <MachineScrew> eruin did you get that
[01:16] <Choubaka> But more stable :P
[01:16] <Choubaka> now, I shall not use grub is someone isn't going to point me to documentation :(
[01:16] <ups> eruin, cmd > file ;)
[01:16] <Choubaka> or tell me how I can pass a kernel parameter using grub.
[01:17] <MachineScrew> damn dude what do you need to no
[01:17] <MachineScrew> w
[01:17] <eruin> thanks MachineScrew, ups ;-(
[01:17] <Seveas> Choubaka, add it on the kernel command line...
[01:17] <eruin> (supposed to be a smile)
[01:17] <ups> :)
[01:17] <Choubaka> Seveas: What command line?
[01:17] <MachineScrew> ok
[01:17] <MachineScrew> the one with the kernel in it
[01:17] <Seveas> the line that says kernel /boot/vmlinuz-something root=/dev/hdX
[01:17] <Choubaka> Ahh
[01:17] <tahorg> sobersabre: I have just tried tb, you should be able to import your folders in evo witout problems
[01:17] <Choubaka> right!
[01:17] <MachineScrew> ya thats it
[01:17] <Seveas> change it to kernel /boot/vmlinuz-something root=/dev/hdX YOUR_PARAM
[01:19] <MachineScrew> I am scared of Ubuntu I don't want another gentoo
[01:19] <Seveas> Choubaka: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/grub-legacy-support.en.html
[01:19] <Seveas> the docs :)
[01:19] <tahorg> and initrd /path/to/initrd
[01:19] <Choubaka> ok.
[01:19] <Choubaka> hmm
[01:19] <MachineScrew> I have been the hard way
[01:19] <Choubaka> now if I could access splashy wiki -_-
[01:19] <krusbjorn> machinescrew: if you want to add the output of a command at the end of a textfile, what is the command then?
[01:19] <MachineScrew> I have had to manualy install pakages back in 95
[01:20] <goo> MachineScrew: I just switched from Gentoo, and Ubuntu is _no_gentoo_ :) Everything Just  Works [tm] 
[01:20] <MachineScrew> I think it was Plug and Play Linux
[01:20] <goo> krusbjorn:  command >> textfile.txt
[01:20] <krusbjorn> thanks goo
[01:20] <steve_> same here switch from gentoo this morning taken me a ew hours but got everything working as i had it under gentoo
[01:21] <goo> krusbjorn: beware:  only one >  will overwrite the file...
[01:21] <MachineScrew> I don't want to be downloading a gig of pkgs eather as it is under fedora I downloded 200mb of packages
[01:21] <krusbjorn> nod, i noticed that. thats the reason i asked the latter question ;)
[01:22] <no0tic> where could be the reason why the kernel doesn't recognize correctly my cpu freq? warty's kernel was working...
[01:22] <goo> steve_: yeah, I had to make one symlink, move one apache config file and cp /usr/local/bin/* and off I went. Everything took less time than emerging 10% of ximian-openoffice, and it, well, Just Works [tm]  :) I am fairly impressed.
[01:22] <tahorg> no0tic: laptop ?
[01:22] <no0tic> tahorg: yes
[01:23] <MachineScrew> what is the cpu
[01:23] <IIIEars> "" Kudos to the developers :)
[01:23] <MachineScrew> no0tic
[01:23] <goo> Only annoying thing is not being able to paste urls into Firefox.
[01:23] <seeker> does anyone know how to *manually* edit the app menu under gnome?
[01:23] <no0tic> MachineScrew, tahorg : AMD Athlon XP 2800+
[01:23] <tahorg> seeker: you can't
[01:23] <goo> IIIEars: Totally :)
[01:23] <no0tic> MachineScrew, tahorg : max freq recognized 796Mhz
[01:23] <MachineScrew> what module is used
[01:23] <seeker> tahorg, why not?
[01:24] <no0tic> MachineScrew, tahorg : powernow_k7
[01:24] <MachineScrew> right
[01:24] <tahorg> seeker: sorry I thought you were talking about menu in applications
[01:24] <seeker> I am - application menu at the top of the screen...
[01:24] <tahorg> seeker: there used to be a applications:// in nautilus, but now I don't know :(
[01:24] <MachineScrew> ok on mine i just had to uncomment a line and now it gose from 250 to 2ghz
[01:25] <IIIEars> Seeing the external already mounted and waiting for me on the desktop was a revelation - then my printer - nearly fell out of my chair. - and Ubuntu is fast
[01:25] <no0tic> MachineScrew: it scales normally but it doesn't show correct freq values
[01:25] <MachineScrew> hmm
[01:25] <seeker> the menu has some bugs. I can't make the changes through the edditor app under system tools, so I figured I might try it manually
[01:25] <no0tic> MachineScrew: I noticed it controlling temperature
[01:26] <MachineScrew> what command are you running to find out its wrong
[01:26] <bluewheel> on ppc when doing configure i get the following error, what package am i missing, i remember hearing it was something non standard
[01:26] <bluewheel> ?
[01:26] <bluewheel> configure: error: Unable to find scrnsaver.h.
[01:26] <lenovo> hello, everyone.
[01:26] <no0tic> MachineScrew: first, the panel applet
[01:26] <MachineScrew> ok that i have
[01:26] <MachineScrew> its nice
[01:27] <no0tic> MachineScrew: in /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq  files
[01:28] <MachineScrew> what file do you look at
[01:28] <wdh> does anyone here have any experience getting an external harddrive working which is connected through the parallel port?
[01:28] <no0tic> MachineScrew: what line did you decomment?
[01:28] <MachineScrew> no0tic: do you have cpuspeed.conf
[01:29] <no0tic> MachineScrew: in what di?
[01:29] <no0tic> MachineScrew: dir?
[01:29] <davux> hi :)
[01:29] <MachineScrew> in "/etc
[01:30] <no0tic> MachineScrew: not in /etc, I'm searching in subdir
[01:30] <davux> Who should I tell about a problem in http://shipit.ubuntu.com/ ?
[01:30] <no0tic> MachineScrew: no
[01:30] <davux> Whom*
[01:30] <no0tic> MachineScrew: I haven't a file named cpuspeed.conf
[01:31] <MachineScrew> ok see I am still wating on Ubuntu CDs i am going from Fedora and I have noticed that every one else dosn't use cpuspeed
[01:31] <MachineScrew> only fedora
[01:31] <krusbjorn> davux: probably the webmaster of the official ubuntu webpage
[01:31] <MachineScrew> hold on though I know where to find your soloution
[01:31] <davux> krusbjorn: Do you know how I can contact her/him?
[01:32] <MachineScrew> what is the mfg and model of you LT
[01:32] <IIIEars> does Ubuntu do CPU scaling? when the workload is higher?
[01:32] <no0tic> MachineScrew: thank a lot
[01:32] <Bazzi> IIIEars yes
[01:32] <Burgundavia> IIIEars, if the cpu supports it
[01:32] <wdh> davux, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/feedback ??
[01:32] <no0tic> MachineScrew: Acer Aspire 1356LMi
[01:32] <krusbjorn> davus: my guess is someone in here: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/feedback
[01:33] <krusbjorn> davux* sorry
[01:33] <davux> krusbjorn, wdh: Thanks.
[01:33] <no0tic> MachineScrew: could you please call me by nick? so I can read better our conversation :)
[01:34] <goo> IIIEars: I don't remember wether or not powernowd (which does CPU scaling) was installed by default or not.
[01:34] <petemc> it is
[01:34] <Burgundavia> goo, IIIEars it is and it is enabled by default
[01:34] <no0tic> goo: on laptop it is
[01:34] <Burgundavia> on all machines
[01:35] <goo> Allright, great :)
[01:35] <krusbjorn> goo: it was
[01:35] <krusbjorn> oh, a bit late there ;P
[01:36] <goo> :)
[01:36] <davux> bye everybody :)
[01:37] <MachineScrew> no0tic: http://flaez.ch/dab/aspire_1315lm.html seem to have a script that works for cpu throtaling for AMD XP
[01:37] <no0tic> MachineScrew: thanks a lot
[01:38] <MachineScrew> no0tice: scroll down and you will see ACPI
[01:39] <no0tic> MachineScrew: I read, but it talks about powernowd, which is installed and started here...
[01:39] <MachineScrew> ok
[01:39] <MachineScrew> no0tic: still looking for more
[01:40] <sobersabre> tahorg, i don't understand. you have taken a tb mail folder and brought it into evo ?!?!
[01:40] <queuetue> Does anyone know how I can get the Windows media Audio Voice Codec installed for totem?
[01:40] <sobersabre> how did you do this ?
[01:43] <Choubaka> Hmm
[01:43] <Burgundavia> queuetue, you need gstreamer-plugins
[01:43] <Choubaka> Bootsplash works now, but the VTYs become garbled.
[01:43] <Burgundavia> queuetue, which will get all the codecs/plugins you need
[01:43] <nnonix> queu: install the marillat repository and apt-get install w32codecs
[01:43] <tahorg> sobersabre: my evo's broken
[01:43] <Burgundavia> nnonix, w32codecs is only for totem-xine
[01:44] <Choubaka> I bet it's conflicting with the nvidia driver.
[01:44] <nnonix> worked for me
[01:44] <tahorg> sobersabre: in ~/.mozilla-thunderbird/(bla)/Mail/Local\ Folder/
[01:44] <sobersabre> tahorg, WTF are you talking about ...
[01:44] <sobersabre> thanks, man
[01:44] <tahorg> sobersabre: you have all the folders you have created
[01:44] <queuetue> Burgundavia, It says already installed.  (trying to play xm radio online via firefox, usubng (I believe) totem plugin)
[01:45] <tahorg> sobersabre: named my_folder.sbd
[01:45] <Burgundavia> queuetue, then get totem-xine and the w32codecs
[01:45] <queuetue> nnonix, I have w32codecs installed as well.
[01:45] <queuetue> totem-xine?
[01:45] <sobersabre> this chat is so limited to express what i need to do. i have old mail in tb. i need this mail to be seen in evo. do you read me ?
[01:45] <tahorg> sobersabre: inside there is a file named 'my_folder'
[01:45] <sobersabre> tahorg, i have been to that folder.
[01:45] <queuetue> Burgundavia, Already installed.
[01:45] <tahorg> sobersabre: drag'n'drop this file inside evolution
[01:46] <Burgundavia> queuetue, then it should work
[01:46] <queuetue> Burgundavia, It doesn't ... What else could be missing?
[01:46] <tahorg> sobersabre: it should work, but I can't try for now, my evolution is broken
[01:46] <queuetue> "Totem could not play 'http://player.xmradio.com/hotstream/metafile.jsp?ch=null&speed=null&s=1113997586944&e=1113997601944&h=982f7ab7188465f8a80c9b7b839e0576'." - there is no plugin to handle this movie
[01:46] <Burgundavia> queuetue, confirmed totem-xine and w32codecs?
[01:47] <no0tic> MachineScrew: if you find something post it in pvt, coz I going away for a while...
[01:47] <Kreiger> how do i kill a process?
[01:48] <MachineScrew> http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_PowerNow!
[01:48] <queuetue> Burgundavia, Yes, I have.
[01:48] <Burgundavia> queuetue, hmm, odd
[01:48] <krusbjorn> kreiger: either killall -9 <process> or run "xkill" and click the program
[01:48] <Kreiger> danke
[01:55] <Choubaka> Hmm.
[01:55] <Choubaka> Perhaps I should compile a new kernel with vesafb-ng
[01:55] <Choubaka> or does Ubuntu already integrate that?
[01:56] <queuetue> totem really seems pretty immature and flaky... Is there some other tool I could be using for this?
[01:57] <krusbjorn> for what?
[01:57] <Choubaka> queuetue: I don't think it's flaky... But you can try vlc
[01:58] <queuetue> Choubaka, How do I get rid of the totem plugin, so they d not fight?  Do I have to uninstal it, or is there a switcher?
[01:58] <Burgundavia> queuetue, vlc and xine are popular
[01:58] <Choubaka> ahh, you want a plugin?
[01:58] <Choubaka> hmm
[01:58] <lizdeika> whats bad about totem ?
[01:59] <krusbjorn> i use the mplayer plugin. works like a charm.
[01:59] <queuetue> lizdeika, a) it's not playing what I want it to, and b, it feels unstable and flaky.
[01:59] <Kreiger> Anybody having any trouble with the marilliat ftp?
[01:59] <queuetue> krusbjorn, If I try to install mplayer, I get all kinds of conflicts.
[01:59] <Kreiger> i keep getting an internal server error
[02:00] <Kreiger> queuetue, i have the same thing, my mplayer freezes if i try to play an mp3 file
[02:00] <lizdeika> queuetue: what exactly its not playing ?
[02:00] <Kreiger> xmms also
[02:00] <Kreiger> it runs in totem tho
[02:01] <Fulg> anyone knows how to install hotkeys to a compaq laptop?????or where to find some docs ?
[02:01] <queuetue> lizdeika, in this case, an xm radio streaming broadcast.
[02:01] <stuNNed> ugh, is there any way to force fsck at boot?
[02:02] <queuetue> lizdeika, But, mostly anything that isn't made specifically for playing in linux, I find totem can't play it.
[02:02] <lizdeika> weird
[02:02] <lizdeika> didnt try streaming but it plays avi,mpg,wmv,asf for me
[02:03] <IIIEars> que - any luck with adding decss to totem is it worht the effort?
[02:03] <Xappe> queuetue: i unpacked the essential codec pack from the mplayer site into ~/.gnome2/totem-addons
[02:03] <Fulg> anyone knows how to install hotkeys to a compaq laptop?????or where to find some docs ?
[02:03] <queuetue> Xappe, Tried that, didn't do a thing.
[02:04] <XandriX> are there any founders of ubuntu present ?
[02:05] <queuetue> And 'There is no plugin to handle this movie" sucks as an error message - what codec does it want?
[02:05] <Burgundavia> XandriX, I am not one, but what do you wish to know
[02:06] <XandriX> If ubuntu would accept to sponsor lightly my company cu zi am packaging machines and servers with ubuntu i should be recieving my cds soon
[02:06] <lizdeika> queuetue: must agree with you about error msg :)
[02:06] <Burgundavia> XandriX, you would want to email jdub about that
[02:06] <Kreiger> lizdeika, i can't even PLAY anything in anyhing but xmms
[02:06] <Kreiger> i mean totem
[02:07] <Kreiger> argh
[02:07] <Kreiger> no
[02:07] <Kreiger> sleep
[02:07] <XandriX> Burgundavia, can u pm me his email
[02:07] <XandriX> jdub, u there ?
[02:07] <IIIEars> Bah - Krieger sleep is for people without an internet connection - lol
[02:08] <Kreiger> Well, i'd LIKE to be able to play movies or something
[02:08] <Kreiger> this is very, very very annoying
[02:08] <Lemonzest> anyone know if the nvidia nforce drivers work on horey?
[02:08] <lizdeika> do you have w32codecs ?
[02:08] <Burgundavia> Kreiger, have you installed gstreamer-plugins? or w32codecs for totem-xine
[02:08] <Kreiger> Lemonzest, i installed them
[02:08] <Burgundavia> Lemonzest, yes, I believe they do
[02:08] <XandriX> Burgundavia, can u pm me his email plz
[02:09] <Kreiger> Burgundavia, i apt-got them both
[02:09] <Choubaka> Why is it few people seem to be able to spell Hoary correctly? :D
[02:09] <Kreiger> whorey
[02:09] <Kreiger> lol
[02:09] <IIIEars> "" - i hunted around for decss found it and then becuase i am too new to linux couldn't figure out how to install it. - sigh.
[02:09] <Burgundavia> XandriX, he is frequently in here or in #ubuntu-devel I woudl ask there first
[02:09] <Lemonzest> i normaly call it all Bunty :P
[02:10] <lizdeika> i like Breezy as name
[02:10] <Lemonzest> how do i get firefox 1.03? last time i looked it wasnt on
[02:10] <Kreiger> burgun, i DID have all of the repositories open. perhaps i installed some borked versions?
[02:10] <Burgundavia> Kreiger, shouldn
[02:10] <XandriX> Burgundavia, hes nto there
[02:10] <Burgundavia> XandriX, keep trying
[02:10] <IIIEars> Is "borked" the technical terminology? - grin
[02:11] <Kreiger> IIIEars, yes.
[02:11] <gorilla_> IIIEars, yes it is :-)
[02:11] <Kreiger> Borked is not broken, borked is not yet fixed
[02:11] <IIIEars> heh
[02:11] <lizdeika> aka "totally f***d up" :)
[02:11] <Kreiger> No, Broken is when something is dead
[02:11] <Kreiger> borked means it's under construction
[02:11] <Kreiger> i guess
[02:12] <Kreiger> Anyway, i'd LIKE to play my music in something besides totem
[02:12] <Kreiger> my porn would also be nice
[02:12] <Kreiger> <_<
[02:12] <lizdeika> music ?
[02:12] <Kreiger> Yes
[02:12] <Kreiger> Music
[02:12] <lizdeika> totem is not for music
[02:12] <Kreiger> Well, it's what playes it
[02:12] <Kreiger> plays*
[02:12] <Kreiger> nothing else plays my mp3's
[02:12] <Kreiger> everything freezes
[02:12] <Fab_> xmms does
[02:12] <Fulg> anyone knows how to install hotkeys to a compaq laptop?????or where to find some docs ?
[02:12] <queuetue> then why does it keep trying to be my music player?
[02:12] <Kreiger> tried it. it freezes it, fab_
[02:12] <Kreiger> i have to xkill
[02:13] <krusbjorn> kreiger: i guess you tried rhythmbox and muine too?
[02:13] <Fab_> esd/alsa/jack/ ?
[02:13] <Burgundavia> queuetue, borked choices in gnome
[02:13] <Kreiger> I didn't try those, no.
[02:13] <Kreiger> how do i switch?
[02:13] <Kreiger> krusbjorn, no. i have not.
[02:13] <krusbjorn> rhythmbox is already there, just run it and pray
[02:13] <Fab_> system -> settings -> multimedia
[02:13] <IIIEars> streamtuner (repository) and xmms even records to mp3s - (going to need a new disk soon- lol)
[02:14] <Kreiger> i have rhythmbox not
[02:14] <Fab_> kreiger: although i have to admit sound under linux can be quite tricky ;)
[02:14] <Kreiger> nvm
[02:14] <Kreiger> lol
[02:14] <XandriX> Burgundavia, hes not there as in like honeymoon
[02:14] <IIIEars> it is reminiscent of windows 3.1
[02:14] <b0ol> can someone tell me where i can find the mkdev.sh ?
[02:14] <Burgundavia> XandriX, indeed, the man just got married
[02:14] <wdh> Fulg, system -> prefs -> shortcuts ?
[02:15] <wdh> Fulg, system -> prefs -> Keyboard shortcuts ?
[02:15] <IIIEars> you have to cross your fingers and hold your mouth just right for everything to work
[02:15] <queuetue> Sound and printing under linux are both still pure voodoo.
[02:15] <Kreiger> huh
[02:15] <Kreiger> Well, it is quite possible because the mp3's are on an ntfs drive
[02:15] <Kreiger> but totem plays them quite well
[02:15] <Kreiger> which is odd
[02:15] <b0ol> can someone tell me where i can find the mkdev.sh ?
[02:16] <gordonjcp> queuetue: nonsense
[02:16] <lizdeika> whats that ?
[02:16] <lizdeika> b0ol: whats that ?
[02:16] <b0ol> a file which belongs to the lm-sensors source
[02:16] <Kreiger> hrm
[02:16] <Kreiger> what's a good place to store my music?
[02:17] <krusbjorn> ~/Music?
[02:17] <lizdeika> :))
[02:17] <Kreiger> i mean, in media?
[02:17] <Kreiger> or in /usr/?
[02:17] <kynes> hi
[02:17] <goldfish> hrmm...
[02:17] <IIIEars> i like a external fat32 USB drive
[02:17] <Xappe> Kreiger: so, did you choose esd as output for the other players you tried?
[02:17] <goldfish> haha
[02:17] <Kreiger> No. i did not.
[02:17] <Kreiger> how do i do that?
[02:17] <goldfish> I have mine on a fat32 external hd funnily enough :)
[02:17] <kynes> I have a problem in ubuntu
[02:17] <krusbjorn> goldfish: likewise ;P
[02:17] <Fulg> well wdh ,
[02:17] <Fulg> it works
[02:17] <Fulg> :D
[02:18] <goldfish> hehe
[02:18] <Xappe> Kreiger: in xmms it's in the options
[02:18] <kynes> on intel pentium centrino 1.6 ghz
[02:18] <queuetue> gordonjcp, Pure voodoo - nonsense or not,  It works, as if by magic, and it stops just as easily.  No one knows how to make it work, but they have long arcane steps that sometimes makes stuff happen, or "it just works" but no one can diagnse a problem of any kind...
[02:18] <IIIEars> easy to move tunes around - nas would be better but $$$ - :/
[02:18] <kynes> it HEATS UP..
[02:18] <kynes> it's a laptop
[02:19] <queuetue> Does anyone here *really* understand linux audio to the point where they could debug a serious problem?  (If so, why do they never answer when I ask?)
[02:19] <kynes> I'm using centrino for a while, like 4-5 months or so.. and I now it's normal temperature
[02:19] <kynes> and it doesn't look normal to mme
[02:19] <kynes> what can I do?
[02:19] <lizdeika> chekc the cooling ?
[02:19] <kynes> where to check?
[02:20] <queuetue> Does anyone here *really* understand cups to the point where they could debug a serious problem, or set up a printer by hand?  If so, I could use some help getting a network printer working. :)
[02:20] <wdh> Fulg, congrats :)
[02:20] <Xappe> hehe
[02:20] <queuetue> In my exerience, both of these things are just "black magic".
[02:20] <gordonjcp> queuetue: well, what is the audio problem you're having?
[02:20] <Fab_> queuetue: same for me, need printer that is connected to networked winME computer
[02:21] <wdh> queuetue, /join #cups :)
[02:21] <Kreiger> Xappe, i get this
[02:21] <Kreiger> ** WARNING **: alsa_setup(): Failed to open pcm device (default): Device or resource busy
[02:21] <queuetue> gordonjcp, currently, karts dies so kde has no audio, ut2004 has no audio becaus eit cannot open /dev/dsp.
[02:21] <gordonjcp> queuetue: can you get any sound at all?
[02:21] <Kreiger> nothing else is using my sound card that i know of...
[02:21] <queuetue> wdh, I've never seen a reponse in there, but I'll try again later today.
[02:21] <Xappe> Kreiger: even with esd output enabled?
[02:21] <kynes> where to check cooling options???
[02:21] <Kreiger> Yes
[02:21] <carlos> good day
[02:21] <carlos> venezuela presente!!!
[02:22] <queuetue> gordonjcp, Sure, like I said, it's ranodm - the ubuntu annoying sounds (menu WHUMP and click THUMP and starup BLA BLAH BLAH BLAH all work.)
[02:22] <gordonjcp> queuetue: hm
[02:22] <Kreiger> I wonder if something didn't get killed completely
[02:22] <Kreiger> is there a way to check if something is stomping on the souncard?
[02:22] <Fab_> queuetue: my sound with gnome works with esd, but not with alsa, lol
[02:23] <Xappe> Kreiger: maybe you should choose esd as default sink (system --> preferences --> multimedia systems selector)
[02:23] <queuetue> Fab_, Yes, it's all pure voodoo, with 30 different technologies and setting combinations.
[02:23] <Lare2> q? how to copy all files from one folder to another from the terminal
[02:23] <plagerism> Whats the new testing branch of Ubuntu??
[02:23] <Kreiger> esd is the defauly output
[02:23] <wdh> plagerism, breezy
[02:23] <Kreiger> t
[02:24] <plagerism> wdh, is it available yet??
[02:24] <Xappe> Kreiger: ok
[02:24] <Kreiger> yeah, esd is the default sink
[02:24] <wdh> plagerism, afaik it is..
[02:24] <krusbjorn> lare2: cp ./* /destination folder/
[02:24] <wdh> plagerism, but you should check the website for that
[02:24] <Xappe> Kreiger: and esd is running too?
[02:24] <Lare2> Thanks krusbjorn
[02:24] <krusbjorn> lare2: assuming you are in the source folder
[02:24] <Lare2> right
[02:24] <Lare2> thanks for helping
[02:25] <krusbjorn> np :)
[02:25] <lesshaste> is it possible to upgrade from redhat to ubuntu without a CD/USB device etc?
[02:25] <kynes> someone having ubuntu on centrino?????
[02:25] <lesshaste> I.e. just over the network
[02:25] <Kreiger> Yeah, i tested it in the systems selector, and i had noise
[02:25] <plagerism> lesshaste, checkout chroot!
[02:25] <Kreiger> here is something odd
[02:26] <Kreiger> when i run apt-get dist-upgrade, i get this on some repositories
[02:26] <Kreiger> Err http://backports.ubuntuforums.org hoary-backports/main gaim 1:1.2.1-1~5.04ubp1
[02:26] <Kreiger>   500 Internal Server Error
[02:26] <Kreiger> anybody else get that?
[02:26] <lesshaste> plagerism, once I chroot then what?
[02:26] <plagerism> lesshaste, I dunno
[02:26] <lesshaste> plagerism, eh? :)
[02:26] <lizdeika> Kreiger: report to ubuntuforums
[02:26] <Fab_> kreiger: backports down again
[02:26] <Fab_> i did already report do jdong
[02:26] <Fab_> to*
[02:27] <MrM__> kynes: i have fc2 on a centrino (new one) and it works perfectly with the ipw2100 driver. i suppose it should be the same with ubuntu
[02:27] <Kreiger> So, i have to play my music in totem? lol
[02:27] <Kreiger> maybe i should restart, i did upgrade somethings
[02:28] <krusbjorn> kreiger: try restarting X anyway...
[02:29] <Kreiger> Yeah
[02:29] <Kreiger> ctr+alt+backspace, here i come
[02:29] <Kreiger> brb
[02:30] <lesshaste> umm... where do I find the install instructions for 5.0.4?
[02:30] <krusbjorn> lesshaste: you probably dont need any :P its an easy installer
[02:31] <wdh> plagerism, good luck :)
[02:31] <lesshaste> krusbjorn, but from what source? Is everyone just burning a CD?
[02:31] <wdh> plagerism, whats your rationale to do so?
[02:31] <ctr> ctrl
[02:31] <ctr> it is ctrl
[02:31] <lesshaste> krusbjorn, surely there should be instruction for net install etc?
[02:31] <plagerism> wdh, I was getting bored
[02:31] <ctr> if you type ctr, it notfies me that someone is talking to me :)
[02:31] <krusbjorn> lesshaste: download the iso and burn a cd is probably your best bet :)
[02:31] <zoldar> hello all
[02:31] <wdh> plagerism, i understand what you mean :)
[02:31] <lesshaste> krusbjorn, except I can't do that. I need a net insatll
[02:31] <wdh> plagerism, i never get any updates anymore..
[02:32] <wdh> my ISP must be wondering what happened :)
[02:32] <krusbjorn> lesshaste: you on wart now, or another distro/OS?
[02:32] <plagerism> wdh, I know and I lost that update excitement
[02:32] <lesshaste> krusbjorn, another one
[02:32] <krusbjorn> warty*
[02:32] <lesshaste> krusbjorn, I want to change to krus
[02:32] <lesshaste> krusbjorn, to Ubuntu :)
[02:32] <zoldar> does anybody know how to 'add' some certain charset support to evolution ? ie. windows-1250
[02:33] <XandriX> Burgundavia, hes not there adn id rly rly apreciate his email plz pm it to me
[02:33] <krusbjorn> lesshaste: unless there is any info on net install on the site, i guess you cant do that. either get to burn the CD someway, or order one for free :)
[02:34] <Fab_> krus: i think he doesnt have a cd device
[02:34] <lesshaste> krusbjorn, strange...how can I order one for free? Do I have to live in Bush's JesusLand for that?
[02:34] <lesshaste> Fab_, exactly :)
[02:34] <Fab_> shipit.ubuntu.com or something
[02:35] <Fab_> but they can take some time
[02:35] <krusbjorn> lesshaste: nah, but i live in sweden and ordered a couple of CD:s 2 weeks ago. havent arrived yet, but i guess they are on their way
[02:35] <Fab_> or rather, they DO take some time
[02:35] <lesshaste> who pays for this free stuff?
[02:35] <krusbjorn> lesshaste: canonical inc
[02:35] <kent> krusbjorn, they seem to take some time. I heard on #ubuntu that warty took a long time to arive if you ordered the CDs.
[02:36] <kent> krusbjorn, btw, you do know about the swedish channel on #ubuntu.se right?  Coolest idle-place in town!
[02:36] <gorilla_> lesshaste, ubuntu have a sponsor Canonical... at them moment they are getting plenty of free publicity so it's worth a few cds :-)
[02:36] <krusbjorn> kent: haha, cool.- havent been there. gonna check it out :D
[02:36] <XandriX> Burgundavia, well i left him a message
[02:36] <lesshaste> gorilla_, interesting.. thx
[02:37] <lesshaste> ordered.. a strange world of free cds :) !
[02:38] <Fab_> lesshaste: but i guess you could install on another computer and then deploy it or something
[02:38] <krusbjorn> demanded?
[02:38] <lesshaste> Fab_, yes.. I just find it odd that there is no standard net install. Normally distros have one (IMHO)
[02:39] <dantheman> is there a way to run a nautilus file viewer as su? or how would i change permissions on my external hard drive
[02:39] <dantheman> ?
[02:40] <krusbjorn> sudo nautilus ?
[02:40] <Fab_> dantheman: what krus said
[02:40] <zoldar> gksudo ?
[02:40] <dantheman> oh...well, there i have it, then
[02:40] <Fab_> lesshaste: well, it seems that ubuntu doesnt provide a netinstall :( id like one too
[02:41] <lesshaste> Fab_, strangely on #ubuntu-devel I am hearing the opposite!
[02:41] <gorilla_> lesshaste, perhaps not documented?
[02:42] <dantheman> well, apparently even running sudo nautilus, i don't have permission to move the file to my hard drive
[02:42] <Fab_> lesshaste: thats cool
[02:42] <Fab_> dantheman: is it mounted rw or ro? ;)
[02:42] <lesshaste> I am hoping I will get another syllable out of the person at #ubuntu-devel
[02:42] <lesshaste> So far I have got one syllable :)
[02:42] <krusbjorn> dantheman: is it ntfs-formatted?
[02:42] <dantheman> i'm not sure at all
[02:42] <krusbjorn> dantheman: is it a "window sharddrive"? ;)
[02:42] <krusbjorn> windows*
[02:43] <dantheman> i'm looking in the properties window, and it gives me an error when i try to enable write, but i don't see anything about windows on it
[02:43] <lesshaste> dantheman, are you mounting a windows partition?
[02:43] <Fab_> well, do a mount -l
[02:44] <dantheman> nope
[02:44] <krusbjorn> dantheman: i mean, has it been used with a Window system?
[02:44] <dantheman> yes
[02:44] <Fab_> dan: did you format it using windows?
[02:44] <zoldar> is there some other way of adding sepcific collation set to the mysql than compiling it right from the beginning ?
[02:44] <krusbjorn> dantheman: you know,m if it is ntfs you cant writ to it
[02:44] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> can anyone tell me why the run levels are changed in kubuntu ?
[02:44] <dantheman> yes, FAT32, i believe
[02:44] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> i cant change the inittab to 3 for cli
[02:44] <krusbjorn> dantheman: good
[02:44] <da_bon_bon> how do i play "RIFF (little-endian) data, wrapped MPEG-1 (CDXA)" data on linux ? xine wont play it, with all plugins installed :(
[02:44] <lesshaste> da_bon_bon, mplayer?
[02:45] <lesshaste> da_bon_bon, xmms?
[02:45] <Fab_> junkfreak: run level 2 is default
[02:45] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> junkphreak
[02:45] <Fab_> w.e.
[02:45] <da_bon_bon> lesshaste: it is a video file. plays in windows media player. wont work in xine.
[02:45] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> why cant it be changed
[02:45] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> ?
[02:45] <lesshaste> da_bon_bon, try mplayer
[02:45] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> only gui for ubuntu ?
[02:45] <lesshaste> da_bon_bon, does it have a url?
[02:46] <Fab_> dan: look at the output of 'mount -l' and tell us if you see one or more lines with vfat
[02:46] <da_bon_bon> lesshaste: mplayer = xine :( coz all plugins are installed
[02:46] <da_bon_bon> lesshaste: no. its on a cd
[02:46] <lesshaste> da_bon_bon, mplayer != xine :)
[02:46] <lesshaste> da_bon_bon, try mplayer and tell me the error message
[02:46] <da_bon_bon> lesshaste: ok. i will need to install mplayer first :)
[02:46] <Fab_> mplayer != xine -> true
[02:46] <da_bon_bon> Fab_: how ?
[02:47] <Choubaka> :p
[02:47] <tsume_> I can't believe some people
[02:47] <mirak> hi
[02:47] <mirak> hi
[02:47] <lesshaste> hi
[02:47] <lesshaste> hi
[02:47] <da_bon_bon> lesshaste: it will take a lot of time. coz on my 2kbps , mplayer wil ltake hoursss to dnld
[02:47] <tsume_> they think java is better than other languages
[02:47] <Choubaka> Because xine is a completely different piece of software.
[02:47] <tsume_> and thier reason behind it is, they don't care about CPU :P
[02:47] <dantheman> can anyone tell me how to set something up so that i can write to my external hard drive?
[02:47] <tsume_> lol
[02:47] <lesshaste> da_bon_bon, oops.. that is true.. xine is sort of.. well.. crap :)
[02:47] <mirak> is the ubuntu hoary x86 live cd known to work on microsoft virtual pc
[02:47] <Fab_> da_bon_bon: what how?
[02:47] <mirak> ?
[02:47] <krusbjorn> dantheman: is it mounted rw?
[02:47] <lesshaste> what ho
[02:47] <da_bon_bon> lesshaste: ok. whatever u say. i will try ,mplayer
[02:47] <da_bon_bon> Fab_: why is xine != mplayer ?
[02:47] <lesshaste> da_bon_bon, whatever I say? :)
[02:48] <Fab_> because its not the same software Oo
[02:48] <dantheman> nope...when i click to enable write, it gives me an error, saying it's read-only
[02:48] <da_bon_bon> lesshaste: whatever u say "is true" :)
[02:48] <lesshaste> da_bon_bon, wow! :)
[02:48] <Fab_> dantheman: you need to mount it rw then
[02:48] <Fab_> dan: look at the output of mount -l please for the line(s) containing vfat
[02:49] <dantheman> oh shit....it's ntfs
[02:49] <dantheman> well, i gotta fix that
[02:49] <trygvebw> Hi, which packages does build-essential contain?
[02:51] <wdh> trygvebw, apt-cache show build-essentials
[02:51] <trygvebw> thanks :)
[02:51] <Fab_> dantheman: you might think of formating it to fat32 or ext (youll lose your data toh)
[02:51] <dantheman> i'll reboot into windows later today, pull everything off, reformat it fat32, and put everything back on
[02:51] <krusbjorn> dantheman: if you want to be able to use it both with linux and windows, you better go for fat32 ;)
[02:52] <krusbjorn> fat32 cant store more than 9999 files, right?
[02:52] <Seveas> not right
[02:52] <Xappe_> damn, the power went down...
[02:52] <Fab_> krus: i think there is a limit like that, yes, also the file size is pretty limited
[02:53] <Seveas> filesize is limited to 4GB
[02:53] <dantheman> well, luckily i don't have any dvd iso's or anything, so it shouldn't be a problem
[02:53] <petemc> fat32 can have more than 9999 files
[02:53] <krusbjorn> saveas: that cant be correct
[02:53] <krusbjorn> saveas: i have a 40gb FAT32 drive
[02:53] <petemc> it can have 65000
[02:54] <krusbjorn> ahh sorry
[02:54] <Seveas> krusbjorn, the drive can be bigger...
[02:54] <krusbjorn> misunderstood that
[02:54] <Seveas> the files on it can't be bigger than 4gb each
[02:54] <krusbjorn> nod, i understood that eventually ;) sorry
[02:54] <lesshaste> da_bon_bon, where are you that you are still on 2kbps?
[02:55] <Kreiger> am i correct in thinking that if you sudo something, it stays for a little while?
[02:55] <Kreiger> sudo and enter pw
[02:55] <krusbjorn> kreiger: yeah
[02:55] <bwlang> Kreiger: yep
[02:55] <Kreiger> how do you cancel that
[02:55] <Kreiger> so you need to enter the password again, i mean
[02:56] <bwlang> Kreiger: log off and log back on... there's probably a preference in sudo's config too.
[02:56] <Kreiger> i'm pretty sure there is a command
[02:56] <Kreiger> i remember there being one
[02:56] <Xappe_> gah, I have a ghost nick
[02:56] <lesshaste> da_bon_bon, also... can you rip a 1MB and send it to me?
[02:56] <Fab_> timeout in sudo config i think
[02:56] <krusbjorn> kreiger: i think you can set the time for sudo to last, but i dont remembe where the config file is :P
[02:57] <Fab_> timeout=0
[02:57] <Kreiger> Yeah, but i could have SWORN there was a specific command
[02:57] <bwlang> Kreiger: sudo  -K
[02:57] <Kreiger> Danke
[02:57] <bwlang> Kreiger: have you never heard of man ;P
[02:57] <Kreiger> I am one, beyond that, no
[02:58] <Kreiger> :)
[02:58] <Kreiger> j/k
[02:58] <Kreiger> i'm just tired, and forgot
[02:59] <Fab_> kreiger: that danke was funny ;)
[02:59] <lesshaste> can anyone see the maps at http://maps.google.co.uk/ in firefox? I don't see a thing apart from a couple of empty boxes
[03:00] <Kreiger> I see it
[03:00] <bwlang> lesshaste: i see england when i go there...
[03:00] <Kreiger> I see london, i see france
[03:00] <KaptainMoo> Aye, works for me too.
[03:00] <bwlang> lesshaste: actually ireland, scotland and wales too (doh!)
[03:01] <Fab_> i see a lot of images loading, lol
[03:01] <da_bon_bon> lesshaste: india. cable net. with the cable modem ;) actually, i do have option for higher speed plans, but they cost more mony, which i dont have/.
[03:01] <lesshaste> ok.. I must have some block on .. weird :)
[03:01] <lesshaste> da_bon_bon, so 2kbps over cable! :)
[03:01] <Fab_> lesshaste: adblock, proximitron?
[03:01] <lesshaste> yes.. got adblock
[03:02] <lesshaste> what is proximitron?
[03:02] <Fab_> proxy with some filter options
[03:02] <Fab_> try disabling adblock
[03:02] <IIIEars> hm - works for me proxomitron is cool! :)
[03:02] <fgx> hello, having big problems with firefox crashing every minute
[03:02] <xerox> Hi!
[03:03] <Fab_> fgx: any extensions, xcompmgr on?, ati/nvidia/something else?
[03:03] <xerox> How do I get printf/c-header's function manpages on ubuntu ??
[03:03] <Fab_> fgx: random, or always?
[03:03] <Fab_> fgx: on specific sites i mean
[03:03] <da_bon_bon> lesshaste: true
[03:04] <occy> Hey guys... stupid question alert:   If I've been using windows on a machine for like 3 or 4 weeks with no lock-up, and whenever I use Linux, it seems to lock up.  (Same computer, different hard drives), that must simply mean the Linux box has a bad hard drive.
[03:04] <fgx> Fab_, it seems it crashes when refocusing after i worked on anoyher app
[03:04] <occy> errr s/Linux Box/Linux installation/
[03:04] <fgx> Fab_, but it happens for specific sites, example: repubblica.it
[03:05] <xerox> ok it was manpages-dev
[03:05] <xerox> bye.
[03:05] <fgx> Fab_, not always. it behave like a buffer overfl prob.
[03:05] <lesshaste> the problem was javascript
[03:05] <Fab_> fgx: can you answer the first questions i posed?
[03:06] <fgx> Fab_, no extension. only java, flash and helix plugin
[03:06] <b0ol> how can i tell my ubuntu to load athcool at boot?
[03:06] <fgx> Fab_, using radeon X module
[03:07] <Fab_> fgx: did you try other gecko browser like galeon or epiphany, or a new profile
[03:07] <bwlang> b0ol: it probably already has put some scripts into /etc/init.d - look at the list of file that it installed with dpkg -L athcool
[03:08] <b0ol> /etc/init.d/athcool
[03:08] <fgx> Fab_, no. i'll try.
[03:09] <occy> any reason why Ubuntu would be locking up computers?
[03:09] <occy> My friend has had the same problem I have been having.
[03:09] <b0ol> bwlang how to tell now that it shall run on      startup?
[03:09] <Xappe> hardware problems?
[03:09] <bwlang> occy: i don't think there is some universal bug... maybe your hardware is not well supported.  try with acpi off
[03:09] <lesshaste> occy, at what stage?
[03:09] <lesshaste> occy, more details needed please :)
[03:10] <occy> lesshaste: I can get a lock-up doing anything CPU intensive.
[03:10] <occy> yeah, sorry...
[03:10] <lesshaste> occy, complete lock up? Does num-lock work?
[03:10] <occy> it doesn't seem like I'm really doing anything in particular.
[03:10] <lesshaste> occy, hardware?
[03:10] <bwlang> b0ol: assuming that athcool has put files in /etc/init.d  you can use update-rc.d to specify when it should be run (man update-rc.d)
[03:10] <occy> I'm running Windows on the same computer...
[03:10] <occy> with no problems.  (scary huh?)
[03:10] <occy> different hard drives though
[03:11] <lesshaste> occy, is the lockup complete? Does num-lock work? Is there anything in the logs afterwards?
[03:11] <occy> it might simply be the hard drive.
[03:11] <occy> lesshaste: Don't know exactly... I've not used it for a while.  I'll test that if it happens again.
[03:11] <b0ol> thanx bwlang
[03:11] <bwlang> occy: linux uses more  hardware than windows does... often you don't find bad ram in windows but do in windows.  a hard drive failure would not totally lock the os - you'd still have access to some stuff
[03:11] <bwlang> occy: could also be a heat issue.
[03:12] <lesshaste> occy, ok... if it is a complete lockup with nothing in the logs you should try swapping drives and also memtest86
[03:12] <occy> :/
[03:12] <occy> k, thanks guys.  I'll give it a whirl.
[03:12] <occy> do the memtest86 too
[03:12] <lesshaste> occy, good luck
[03:13] <deadzed> how do I change ubuntu language?
[03:13] <deadzed> even telinit 1 is in my native lang now .. want it to be english
[03:13] <bizkit> try changing the locale?
[03:16] <Fab_> is it normal that a networked printer (connected to winME pc) shows hell a lot of dll files when connecting to it via TkSmb
[03:17] <Fab_> i can open it like a shared directory and see lots of files
[03:17] <lesshaste> occy, still here?
[03:17] <Shufla> hello world...
[03:17] <Shufla> ...domination :D
[03:18] <occy> yah
[03:19] <lesshaste> occy, can I pm you re: your problem?
[03:19] <occy> argh... no net connection.  can't apt-get install memtest86
[03:19] <de_Dustyciti> hi guys.. Could someone tell me if there's anyway I can install Ubuntu 5.04 onto hdd with Live CD ?
[03:19] <occy> sure
[03:19] <occy> :D
[03:19] <Fab_> occy: isnt memtest86 installed by default?
[03:19] <krusbjorn> de_Dustyciti: you probably should download the Install CD to install to HD
[03:20] <Shufla> occy: huh? no net connection and you are on irc? yoda-eth0? :D
[03:20] <occy> Shufla: heh, another machine :P~
[03:20] <NetwrkMonkey> is there a guid for configuring an lvm setup when installing ubuntu?
[03:21] <Shufla> occy: hm. route added on that machine?>
[03:21] <Shufla> NetwrkMonkey: guide to use ubuntu installer's or to good setup of lvm?
[03:21] <NetwrkMonkey> setting up lvm during the ubuntu install
[03:22] <occy> Shufla: ACX111 54Mbps Wireless Interface no workie with Linux.
[03:22] <SiRrUs> good morning
[03:22] <Shufla> NetwrkMonkey: just choose default partition setup
[03:22] <occy> :(
[03:22] <Shufla> occy: ouch :(
[03:22] <paulproteus> Shufla: That's not entirely accurate.
[03:22] <NetwrkMonkey> shufla, that's a poor answer
[03:22] <occy> ACX = the suxx0r
[03:23] <paulproteus> You can use ndiswrapper, or the acxpci driver that doesn't support WEP.
[03:23] <paulproteus> I'm using NDIS WARPER [sic]  here.
[03:23] <Shufla> pussfeller: ??
[03:23] <Shufla> ehhh
[03:23] <Shufla> but i didn't understand what netwrkmonkey wanted...
[03:24] <Shufla> tfu
[03:24] <pussfeller> ?
[03:24] <Shufla> s/default/custom
[03:24] <krusbjorn> anyone know if i can set Gaim to autologin to IRC-channels at login?
[03:24] <pussfeller> don't you read ian fleming?
[03:24] <Fab_> acx sucks
[03:24] <Fab_> really
[03:24] <occy> krusbjorn: #gaim?
[03:25] <Shufla> pussfeller: sorry :>
[03:25] <Fab_> acx111 doesnt even support wep afaik
[03:25] <Shufla> paulproteus: what wasn't accurate?
[03:25] <occy> Fab_: it's a shame Netgear would sell such crap.
[03:25] <krusbjorn> occy: ?
[03:25] <occy> krusbjorn: /join #gaim
[03:25] <occy> heh
[03:25] <Fab_> occy: dlink here ;)
[03:26] <occy> Well, the big racket is... They give you these discounts...
[03:26] <Fab_> but acx100 :)
[03:26] <occy> and so I bought the card.
[03:26] <krusbjorn> occy: i mean, can i make gaim join this channel automatically, when i startup gaim?
[03:26] <occy> And then when I find out it won't work, I can't take it back because of the rebates.
[03:26] <occy> it's a suck all around.
[03:27] <Fab_> occy: indeed
[03:27] <karljp> is there anything special I should do for rolling my own kernel beyond http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-kernel.en.html
[03:27] <karljp> or is that process goign to be just fine for ubuntu as well?
[03:28] <paulproteus> Shufla: When occy said that ACX111 wouldn't work, that wasn't accurate.
[03:29] <occy> paulfox: it works under Windows, but that doesn't help me any.
[03:30] <karljp> I know I should normally just be happy with apt-get install linux-686
[03:30] <karljp> but I need the -ac patches for my hardware,
[03:31] <flipy> hi
[03:31] <krusbjorn> hello flipsy
[03:31] <krusbjorn> flipy* :P
[03:31] <flipy> xDDD
[03:31] <flipy> it seemed like tipsy
[03:31] <flipy> xDDD
[03:32] <flipy> is there any way to have cam support under msn protocol?
[03:32] <Choubaka> Hmm.
[03:32] <Choubaka> There's gaim-av
[03:32] <Choubaka> but you have to compile it yourself :/
[03:33] <flipy> uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhm
[03:33] <flipy> doesn't seem a good solution then...
[03:33] <flipy> thanks anyway
[03:33] <krusbjorn> flipy: there's vv-gaim, but they dont have msn support atm...will have later though
[03:34] <mb> hello
[03:34] <flipy> oh
[03:34] <mb> iyews
[03:34] <mb> kismet problem
[03:34] <mb> can you helpme??
[03:35] <Choubaka> Hmm.
[03:35] <Choubaka> How do I configure my printer?
[03:35] <Choubaka> I don't have Gnome, so I need to know the name of the program I have to run.
[03:35] <Shufla> Choubaka: Sys->Adm->Printing?
[03:35] <flipy> skype will work?
[03:35] <flipy> well, I've class
[03:35] <flipy> see you later
[03:35] <Choubaka> Shufla: what's the name of that program?
[03:36] <Shufla> Choubaka: gnome-cups-manager
[03:36] <Choubaka> pl
[03:36] <Choubaka> ok*
[03:36] <Choubaka> thanks.
[03:36] <Shufla> m/[
[03:36] <Shufla> n/p :>
[03:37] <Choubaka> well, that was easy.
[03:37] <Choubaka> two mouse clicks :P
[03:38] <mb> any one know how to configure thekismet withe smc2835w?
[03:39] <mb> ok
[03:40] <EddieX> Hmm i got a new submenu under "Program" in gnome that is called Debian, how come ? It appeared today
[03:40] <mb> i look in the my oncle google
[03:40] <Shufla> EddieX: huh. dpkg -l menu
[03:41] <black_Nightmare> hey once again ;)
[03:41] <EddieX> Shufla, ok
[03:42] <EddieX> Yep, that was there :) Thanks
[03:43] <it4ngo> and free peach too
[03:43] <it4ngo> oups free speech
[03:43] <Shufla> funnny..
[03:43] <Echylo> lel
[03:43] <gorilla_> pass me a peach :-)
[03:44] <Shufla> i've just mounted cleanly unmounted suse partition, and it gives me some info about rebuilding fs...
[03:44] <Choubaka> hmm
[03:44] <Choubaka> the printer doesn't work
[03:44] <Choubaka> apparently it's trying to set the device as /dev/unknown-parallel0
[03:44] <Choubaka> which does not exist
[03:45] <Saint33> hi folks...
[03:45] <Lare2> hi
[03:45] <Lare2> people
[03:45] <Saint33> Could someone please help me with ndiswrapper setup, need a windows driver and cannot find one...
[03:45] <Shufla> Saint33: on cd with eq?
[03:46] <Saint33> eq ??
[03:46] <seeker> I can't seem to log on to skype, I tried reinstalling it and renewing my password, but it keep telling login failed. any idea?
[03:46] <Shufla> with your card...
[03:47] <Saint33> Shufla: the actual card driver doesnt work with ndiswrapper (says so on website), only the actual WinXP driver from Microsoft works and I dunno where to get that from
[03:47] <jin> how can I check which version of gtk+ is installed?
[03:47] <snowblink> Saint33, what card do you have?
[03:47] <Shufla> jin: dpkg -l | grep gtk
[03:47] <Choubaka> gah
[03:47] <Choubaka> now it works
[03:48] <Saint33> I have an Marvell W8300 wi-fi card
[03:48] <Choubaka> I made a symbolic link from unknown-parallel to lp0
[03:48] <Shufla> Choubaka: maybe it will be easier to type /dev/lp0 with gnome-cups-manager
[03:49] <Choubaka> makes me wonder why it thought it was /dev/unknownparallel0 in the first place
[03:49] <Choubaka> Shufla: type? :p
[03:49] <Choubaka> how can I type anything with it
[03:49] <krusbjorn> jin: i guess you could check it in synaptic?
[03:50] <Shufla> type in gnome-cups-manager
[03:50] <krusbjorn> jin: oh sorry, didnt see shufla answered :P
[03:50] <Saint33> snowblink: any idea how to get a driver from Microsoft ?
[03:50] <karljp> is there any reason I'd want to get kernel source from a ubuntu package, rather than from kernel.org?
[03:50] <Twiggy> karljp:  Pre-patched
[03:50] <jin> I need to install gtk+ version above 2.4, can anyone tell me how?
[03:51] <Shufla> karljp: is there any reason you'd want kernel source? and from ubuntu package better :D
[03:51] <snowblink> Saint33, http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/phpwiki/index.php/List
[03:51] <Twiggy> karljp:  I use the ubuntu source for the stuff they toss in there
[03:51] <Choubaka> Shufla: I did.
[03:51] <Choubaka> But gnome-cups-manager detects it wrongly.
[03:52] <karljp> what stuff are they tossing in?
[03:52] <Shufla> jin: try www.apt-get.org
[03:52] <snowblink> Saint33, did you try google before asking here?
[03:52] <karljp> I need the -ac patches for some of my hardware, otherwise I'd never bother trying to make my own kernel
[03:53] <karljp> and I'm having a hard time working out how to get -ac patches onto ubuntu
[03:53] <karljp> I apt-get source'd the linux-source-2.6.11
[03:53] <Saint33> snowblink: yep, google, yahoo and microsoft... no joy... can only find Asus' own driver which dont work
[03:53] <karljp> and then tried to patch with the ac7 patch from kernel.org, but it failed.
[03:54] <Shufla> karljp: are you familiar with kernel-package for debian?
[03:54] <snowblink> Saint33, Try the win98 drivers
[03:54] <karljp> vaguely
[03:54] <karljp> I'm sort of going by http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KernelHowto
[03:54] <karljp> which uses make-kpkg
[03:55] <karljp> but it uses the kernel.org source,
[03:55] <Saint33> snowblink: from the Asus driver collection ?
[03:56] <snowblink> Saint33, does it include a 98 driver?
[03:56] <iGama> ppl need some help. how do i use powernowd ? i have a laptop, and i dont what it 2 run at 100% , i what the max to be 80% is it possile?
[03:56] <Saint33> yes... I thought ndiswrapper only worked with xp drivers tho
[03:56] <iGama> it heat ups lot :s
[03:56] <Saint33> but will tyr
[03:56] <Shufla> ok
[03:56] <Shufla> going home,. bye bye
[03:56] <jin> anyone that knows a good working dc++ app for linux/ubuntu?
[03:57] <iGama> how do i limit the processor use ?
[03:57] <Choubaka> jin: dc++ :)
[03:57] <Choubaka> lemme get you the how-to
[03:58] <iGama> any one know?
[03:58] <jin> choubaka, does that really exist?? lemme search for it now
[03:58] <Choubaka> jin:  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=28378
[03:58] <Choubaka> See my post at the bottom
[03:59] <Fab_> iGama: why would you want to?
[03:59] <Fab_> ah
[03:59] <Fab_> saw already
[03:59] <Saint33> snowblink: 98 driver doesnt work either... bummer
[03:59] <iGama> laptop, heat, baterry
[03:59] <iGama> enoght?
[03:59] <iGama> :p
[03:59] <Fab_> lol
[03:59] <Fab_> sry, never needed something like taht
[03:59] <Fab_> that*
[03:59] <jin> choubaka, thanx
[04:00] <iGama> or... how do i speed up the fans?
[04:00] <makyo2> hello, anyone here using a MIDI USB keyboard?
[04:00] <seeker> what kind of laptop?
[04:00] <iGama> hp nx7000 - centrino 1.6
[04:00] <seeker> if it's centrino you can use cpufreq
[04:01] <iGama> how this it work?
[04:01] <snowblink> Saint33, did you get a CD with your card?
[04:01] <seeker> don't know yet. am just getting into it myself, but essentially it changes the cpu freq.
[04:01] <seeker> just like the name implies :)
[04:01] <iGama> yep
[04:02] <iGama> but i dont understand how it works :s
[04:02] <Ekaitza> Hello everybody ;)
[04:02] <iGama> but powernowd should do the same
[04:02] <seeker> lower freq -> less heat & power usage
[04:02] <iGama> yep
[04:02] <iGama> how do u seet it?
[04:02] <iGama> ( sry for my english )
[04:03] <seeker> I have a pdf file that is not really very good.
[04:03] <iGama> where did u get it?
[04:03] <seeker> but it does explain in a round about kind of way
[04:03] <makyo2> is crimsun around?
[04:03] <iGama> can u send it?
[04:03] <seeker> wait a sec
[04:04] <Xappe> can you set the tap sensitivity on the ibook trackpad in pbbuttonsd or something like that? its irritating when the cursor just jumps away and you find yourself typing in the wrong place
[04:04] <iGama> thanks
[04:06] <Ekaitza> I've got an Ubuntu linux live cd which works ok, but I hate having to configure it each time I want to use it, does anybody know any possible way of saving it???
[04:06] <MyKq3> i show that breezy packages r out !!!
[04:06] <Super_Cat_Frog> hi - ive just run bastille 2.something, but i would like to try 3 (its not in any repository i can find) so i installed the 'source' (its a script and the installer cp's or ln's, not sure. anyway, my problem is i cant execute bastille - it just give me --help like im giving invalid options when i do bastille or bastille --os DB3.0 - any idea's?
[04:07] <iGama> seeker, whats the webpage? :\
[04:07] <iGama> its not working...
[04:07] <jin> anyone that knows a msn messenger app that works with voice chat support in linux? has anyone been able to emulate msn messenger under linux?
[04:08] <Super_Cat_Frog> ekaitza-  you could put /etc and/or /home on cd. alternatively, slax has a system that saves your 'profile' on the internet and you pass something like profile=myprofile as a boot option, hopefully that will become popular with live cd's and we'l see it on more distro's
[04:08] <seeker> ayttm - msn + gnomeeting
[04:08] <Super_Cat_Frog> jin - there's a fork of gaim that was trying to get voice chat, and the changes to be merged back once its stable, iirc
[04:08] <Ekaitza> it sounds just perfect
[04:08] <iGama> seeker, the firewall at my college its blocking it :\
[04:08] <Burgundavia> gaim-vv
[04:08] <Ekaitza> but I don't know if I did understand it
[04:08] <seeker> iGama,  whats you email?
[04:09] <Super_Cat_Frog> ekaitza - google for slax
[04:09] <iGama> marcodasilva@gmail.com
[04:09] <Super_Cat_Frog> http://slax.linux-live.org/
[04:10] <wulfy814> ok, so I have two Dell 2100FPs connected to an XFX nvidia 6600GT via DVI (it has Dual DVI)
[04:10] <wulfy814> and the colors are slightly different, what's up with that?
[04:11] <seeker> iGama,  you should know that it's all that hot. it was written for a project that dealt with heat control in centrino
[04:11] <wulfy814> I was using some cheap ass 35$ pci with one analog and one DVI I thought that was the problem
[04:11] <seeker> and you know how much students like to document stuff
[04:11] <seeker> iGama, im sending it now
[04:11] <Super_Cat_Frog> seeker - that doesn't sound like any students i know (myself included)
[04:12] <Ekaitza> Super_Cat_Frog: but is it a different linux??
[04:12] <seeker> what do you mean? you like to document stuff?
[04:13] <Super_Cat_Frog> ekaitza - slax is a different distro based on slackware (a do it yourself distro, really). i was just telling you about that feature
[04:13] <blue_dolphin> anyone here use mythtv
[04:13] <Super_Cat_Frog> seeker - no i dont
[04:13] <Super_Cat_Frog> blue_dolphin - me
[04:13] <Ekaitza> thanks endeed, I'm just having a look
[04:13] <Super_Cat_Frog> seeker - maybe i misunderstood you, sorry bout that
[04:13] <seeker> that's what I meant. and thats why I said it's a very crappy document
[04:13] <pavner> hi, i was wondering if ubuntu supports wireless broadcom cards? :)
[04:14] <Super_Cat_Frog> ah - i didn't see where you said that
[04:14] <seeker> the sad part about it , is that I am basing my whole project on that crappy document :(
[04:14] <Super_Cat_Frog> seeker - lol
[04:15] <blue_dolphin> great Super_Cat_Frog I set up mythtv and tvtime two days ago and it worked fine. yesterday I ran the post install script from ubuntu-geek and since then niether mythtv nor tvtime see any signal
[04:15] <seeker> and the guy who wrote it, already has his degree and has gone off to who knows where. oh well....
[04:15] <Super_Cat_Frog> blue_dolphin - #mythtv-users is probably the best place for help
[04:15] <blue_dolphin> ok thanks
[04:16] <seeker> iGama, did you get the email?
[04:16] <Super_Cat_Frog> blue_dolphin - just a quick suggestion, if you setup mythtv yesterday, then turned it off, turned it on today, your module's might not be loaded, try lsmod and check to see if your tv card modules are loaded
[04:16] <iGama> let me check
[04:16] <iGama> seeker, thanks m8
[04:16] <seeker> the information you want is nearer the end I think
[04:17] <blue_dolphin> they should be as we rebooted a couple of times when were setting up to check just that
[04:17] <iGama> ok
[04:17] <jin> I get his error message trying to install dc++ with scons : "Did not find the header time.h Can't live without it, sorry", anyone?
[04:17] <nubbe> any news on FF 1.03 for ubuntu?
[04:17] <iGama> i've downloaded the appet for gnome
[04:17] <seeker> anyway, that should get you started at least. I'm off. bye.
[04:17] <blue_dolphin> but i will check just in case
[04:17] <iGama> but how the heel do u make it run there 0.o
[04:17] <seeker> what do you mean?
[04:18] <NotsoSlimPickins> nubbe, the security patches will be backported to 1.0.2 for hoary
[04:18] <Ekaitza> Super_Cat_Frog: that's just what I was looking for, but I forgot telling that I'm using Ubuntu because I've got an apple
[04:18] <iGama> seeker, its gnome-cpufreq-applet
[04:18] <iGama> how do u put it in the bar, i cant find it...
[04:19] <blue_dolphin> Super_Cat_Frog, I remember haveing to change something with the tuner to 2 like tuner = 2
[04:19] <seeker> look at page 35-36
[04:19] <Burgundavia> iGama, right click on the menu and choose "add to panel"
[04:19] <seeker> sorry 25-26
[04:19] <frank> anyone know of a tool to overclock the cpu in software?
[04:19] <Super_Cat_Frog> blue_dolphin - which module? bttv? saa7134?
[04:20] <blue_dolphin> bttv
[04:20] <Super_Cat_Frog> then try lsmod | grep bttv
[04:20] <blue_dolphin> its there
[04:20] <Super_Cat_Frog> rmmod bttv ; modprobe bttv tuner=2
[04:20] <seeker> iGama, the doc has some usage examples.
[04:21] <blue_dolphin> thx
[04:21] <nubbe> Burgundavia, ok, I got hoary, security and marillat repositories, is that enough to get backports?
[04:21] <Super_Cat_Frog> blue_dolphin - did that work?
[04:21] <kent> is there some way to make gkrellm always show on desktop, and not hide if i press the "hide desktop" button on the panel?
[04:21] <blue_dolphin> checking didn't help tvtime :(
[04:21] <seeker> sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0cpufreq   - it's not a gnome applet
[04:21] <Burgundavia> nubbe, the backporting is patch based, not a backported package. You will get it through the normal security process
[04:21] <Super_Cat_Frog> blue_dolphin - have you tried ls /dev/vid*
[04:22] <it4ngo> about backport
[04:22] <jin> how come libglade 2.4 is not in repositories?
[04:22] <it4ngo> is it only security related ?
[04:22] <Burgundavia> it4ngo, there is no "official" hoary backport yet
[04:22] <Burgundavia> it4ngo, security and critical bugs
[04:22] <it4ngo> ok thx
[04:22] <nubbe> Burgundavia, great thanks, another question, i haven't got a single update since hoary was final, I hope that's as it should be?
[04:22] <blue_dolphin> Super_Cat_Frog, get this for output /dev/video0  /dev/video1
[04:22] <blue_dolphin> /dev/video1394:
[04:22] <blue_dolphin> 0
[04:23] <Burgundavia> nubbe, yes
[04:23] <Burgundavia> nubbe, there have been no security advisories save the ff ones, which ar a beast to do, from what i understand
[04:23] <Super_Cat_Frog> blue_dolphin - sorry, ive got no more idea's, you'l have to try #mythtv-users
[04:23] <Xappe> where is the rythmbox ntification icon located? I want to change it to a lighter color to go with my dark theme
[04:23] <blue_dolphin> also mythtv seems stuck on one channel the up and down keys do change the number but doesn't actually change the real channel
[04:23] <krusbjorn> jin: libglade 2.5 is there ;)
[04:24] <blue_dolphin> Super_Cat_Frog, okay thanks for your time
[04:24] <Super_Cat_Frog> s'ok
[04:24] <Ekaitza> Super_Cat_Frog you are the best ;)
[04:24] <Saint33> How do I go about downloading an official Microsoft Driver ???
[04:24] <nubbe> Burgundavia, okidoki, I  guess the devs and/or packageers could use a break now...
[04:24] <Super_Cat_Frog> ekaitza - i'l say that was a fair assessment ;)#
[04:24] <jin> krusbjorn, hehe.. I thought it was 1,2,5...
[04:24] <Ekaitza> I was really surprised with the slax
[04:25] <krusbjorn> jin: notice the ":" ;)
[04:25] <Ekaitza> it is a pity I've got an apple
[04:26] <nubbe> Will all app-updates be on breezy and Hoary will just get security updates?
[04:26] <Burgundavia> nubbe, yes
[04:26] <Burgundavia> nubbe, but don't switch yet, breezy is mostly just a sync for sid, and is very unstable
[04:27] <Xappe> i'll wait a couple of months I guess
[04:28] <nubbe> Burgundavia, I won't switch for a good while, but I'd like to keep track of some stuff, things like updated w32codecs and other instaleld stuff
[04:28] <Burgundavia> nubbe, breezy will be pretty stable by mid-may I imagine. They are building breezy with gcc 4.0, so that is the major breakage right now
[04:29] <nubbe> Burgundavia, is there any good way to know when updates r available?
[04:29] <nubbe> maybe some filtering in synaptic?
[04:29] <Burgundavia> nubbe, for what?
[04:29] <kent> nubbe: when updates are availibel you should see them on the panel.  There is a notification for that..
[04:30] <Burgundavia> nubbe, if you switch to breezy, you swithc lock,stock and barrel
[04:30] <Burgundavia> all your apps with be updates
[04:30] <Burgundavia> s/s/d
[04:30] <nubbe> Burgundavia, so if an x-chat update is available I will now?
[04:31] <nubbe> Burgundavia, without switching to Breezy?
[04:31] <Burgundavia> nubbe, if any update is available for any package in your system, a little red circle will appear in the top right
[04:31] <Burgundavia> that will show you the updates
[04:31] <nubbe> Burgundavia, thanks, just what I wanted to know
[04:31] <Burgundavia> however, hoary is getting no new features, only security and a few major bugfixes
[04:32] <nubbe> Burgundavia, But update manager will show if any installed packages have updates?
[04:33] <Burgundavia> nubbe, yep
[04:33] <Burgundavia> nubbe, such is the wonders of apt
[04:33] <nubbe> Burgundavia, goody  :)
[04:34] <nubbe> Burgundavia, I was a little afraid that it would "protect" me from updates outside of Hoary  :)
[04:34] <Burgundavia> apt doesn't care about what repos you have
[04:34] <Burgundavia> it says "is there a new version" if yes, then the little red thing will appear
[04:34] <nubbe> okidoki
[04:35] <Burgundavia> what supported means is that generally only main is going to get those security updtaes
[04:36] <nubbe> k
[04:37] <Upayavira> I tried the liveCD (hoary preview), and, after entering my Wep key, it connected to my wireless network (took 2 wks under Debian sarge). Now, after full install of full release, it refuses to find my network. Any hints as to what I can do to get this working?
[04:37] <kent> Burgundavia: the little red thing -   Thats interesting. Seems like Im not the only one not seing what it actually is.. :)
[04:38] <Burgundavia> kent, should have a little grey arrow on it
[04:38] <karljp> upaya: heh, I couldn't get wireles to work on the livecd, but it worked effortlessly once I'd installed :)
[04:38] <Burgundavia> s/arrow/exclamation mark
[04:39] <seby> does exist any fpc (freepascalcompiler) packages for warty?
[04:40] <Burgundavia> seby, check packages.ubuntu.com
[04:42] <jivera> Has anyone else noticed in Hoary evolution depends on libcamel1.2-3 and libebook1.2-3, but libebook1.2-3 depends on libcamel1.2-0, which conflicts with libcamel1.2-3?
[04:42] <jivera> Er, Breezy.
[04:42] <jivera> Not hoary.
[04:42] <Burgundavia> jivera, that would be one of the oddiites of breezy
[04:42] <Burgundavia> file a bug
[04:50] <KBJ> now that hoary is declared stable i don't seem to be getting updates. Is there any way i can stay unstable and get the newest version of stuff?
[04:51] <krusbjorn> KBJ: you could go breezy, but i wouldnt recommend it ;P
[04:51] <sobersabre> what is gdomap and gnustep_sndd
[04:51] <sobersabre>  ?
[04:51] <sobersabre> and why do i need them ?
[04:51] <Burgundavia> KBJ, I echo krusbjorn statement
[04:51] <Burgundavia> sobersabre, what are you trying to do?
[04:51] <KBJ> what's breezy?
[04:51] <Burgundavia> the next version of Ubuntu
[04:52] <sobersabre> Burgundavia, i am running hoary. before i did that i had nothing of the sort.
[04:52] <KBJ> but why wouldn't you recommend it?
[04:52] <chazwurth> KBJ: Because it's probably unstable as all hell.
[04:52] <krusbjorn> KBJ: it will crash on you, over and over again ;)
[04:52] <Burgundavia> KBJ, currently, it just a sync from sid
[04:52] <Burgundavia> and not much polishing
[04:52] <KBJ> but hoary was quite stable a long time before it got declared stable
[04:52] <Burgundavia> and next week, the devs are going to be hacking the crap out of it
[04:53] <Burgundavia> at the next dev conf
[04:53] <sobersabre> so ... why do i need gnustep_sndd
[04:53] <sobersabre>  ?
[04:53] <krusbjorn> KBJ: hoary wasnt stable 1 week after warty was released
[04:53] <Burgundavia> sobersabre, synaptic will show you what depends on it
[04:53] <KBJ> oh... hehe... ok
[04:53] <KBJ> well, thanks alot guys...
[04:54] <Burgundavia> sobersabre, right, click and change the drop down
[04:54] <krusbjorn> :)
[04:54] <brad-> Anyone here succesfully using Evolution 2.2 with Exchange 2003?
[04:54] <guruff> how can i mount an iso image ?
[04:55] <usynic> guerby: mount -o loop /iso.iso /mnt/point
[04:55] <usynic> er... guruff
[04:55] <guruff> usynic; thx :)
[04:55] <usynic> np
[04:57] <Haohmaru> hi all, I have a sound-related problem: XMMS, openMSX, GSnes9x, totem-xine all work nicely but when I start fuhquake, it tells me '/dev/dsp: Broken pipe' - the game starts and runs fine, but I get no sound
[04:57] <Haohmaru> (btw I have eliminated esd)
[04:57] <SeamusLP> Hey, anyone here know if bayesian spam filtering for evolution mail exists?
[04:57] <njan> yes, and yes.
[04:57] <njan> :)
[04:58] <njan> you can use spamassassin with evolution, although it's fairly slow, especially if you have a lot of mail.
[04:58] <SeamusLP> Spamassassin is bayesian?
[04:58] <magnon> does anyone know what compatibility problems there are with newer powerbooks and ubuntu?
[04:59] <njan> SeamusLP, yes..
[05:00] <SeamusLP> thanks njan
[05:00] <njan> yw
[05:00] <SeamusLP> Haohmaru: It use OSS or alsa?
[05:01] <Burgundavia> magnon, there are some generall linux issues with the very new powerbooks. All linux distros face it
[05:01] <Burgundavia> magnon, apparently, the specs changes
[05:01] <raavi02> Haohmaru: check out wether sound card is busy are not
[05:01] <Burgundavia> magnon, it is being worked on by people like terrasoft (ydl)
[05:01] <Burgundavia> magnon, that info is current as of last tuesday
[05:01] <Haohmaru> when I start fuhquake I'm not running any other sound-related things
[05:02] <Haohmaru> and doing a cat meep.wav > /dev/dsp works fine
[05:02] <SeamusLP> Haohmaru:  Perhaps it requires a sound server?
[05:02] <boro> Hello. I know this is not exactly ubuntu question, but...
[05:02] <boro> I have win XP pro installed, and also VMWARE 5 for windows. I have Ubuntu 5.04 installed also. I have dualboot. Now i'd like to boot ubuntu using vmware for windows. Is there any how-to ? or could someone help me step by step in priva ?
[05:03] <raavi02> Haohmaru: can you try killing all the sound servers
[05:03] <Burgundavia> q3 needs to have esd killed
[05:03] <SeamusLP> He's already done that
[05:03] <Haohmaru> yes, esd is already killed
[05:03] <raavi02> boro: vm-ware will ask the bootable disk you can insert your ubunut disk there and start the engine
[05:04] <magnon> Burgundavia: thanks
[05:04] <boro> raavi02, but how without that ?
[05:04] <Burgundavia> magnon, np
[05:04] <raavi02> boro: I didn't get you
[05:04] <boro> i don't have ubuntu cd @ home right now
[05:04] <Haohmaru> I had problems running openMSX with sound - after getting rid of esd it all works fine - only fuhquake gives that broken pipe error
[05:05] <raavi02> boro: VM-Ware is an emulator
[05:05] <Burgundavia> Haohmaru, what is fuhquake?
[05:05] <Haohmaru> it's supposed to be -it- to run quake on a linux system
[05:05] <raavi02> boro: it just emulates entire scenario,
[05:06] <Burgundavia> Haohmaru, what version?
[05:06] <Haohmaru> did a search on linux/ubuntu quake and fuhquake came up
[05:06] <Burgundavia> Haohmaru, q3?
[05:06] <raavi02> boro: step1: should be installing vm-ware
[05:06] <Haohmaru> no quake
[05:06] <Haohmaru> (the first one)
[05:06] <SeamusLP> Haohmaru:  Was it giving you the broken pipe error when you were running esd?
[05:06] <raavi02> boro: do supply what ever necessary during installation
[05:07] <Haohmaru> don't know, I got rid of esd because openMSX gave sound errors
[05:07] <boro> i have already installed vmware and ubuntu and xp
[05:07] <boro> raavi02
[05:07] <SeamusLP> Haohmaru:  Not sure if this is going to work, but try changing your sound output to alsa in multimedia systems selector.
[05:07] <Haohmaru> Failed to construct test pipeline for 'ALSA - Advanced Linux Sound Architecture'
[05:08] <raavi02> boro: you have ubuntu in seperate partition. or ....
[05:08] <SeamusLP> Haohmaru:  Do you have more than one sound card?
[05:08] <boro> raavi02 jes
[05:08] <Haohmaru> I hope only one - I'm using a laptop ;)
[05:08] <SeamusLP> hehe right
[05:08] <Burgundavia> Haohmaru, hmm, quake is gpl
[05:08] <chicken_man> hey people :P
[05:09] <boro> raavi02: want to use vmware to boot ubuntu, instead shutting down windows, and boot to ubuntu :)
[05:09] <SeamusLP> Haohmaru:  Does OSS give that error?
[05:09] <boro> instead of*
[05:09] <Haohmaru> no
[05:09] <Haohmaru> OSS working fine
[05:09] <Haohmaru> (apart from getting sound in fuhquake that is)
[05:09] <raavi02> boro: can able to get grub
[05:10] <SeamusLP> Well the test failing usually doesn't mean that the sound system is failing.  I've sent things through alsa with the broken pipe error.
[05:10] <SeamusLP> So try setting it to alsa and running it
[05:10] <boro> raavi02, must boot to ubuntu to modify grub files
[05:10] <Burgundavia> Haohmaru, quake2 exisits
[05:10] <Haohmaru> I know
[05:10] <raavi02> boro : can you able to get grub after you start the vm-ware
[05:10] <Burgundavia> Haohmaru, in hoary repos
[05:10] <Haohmaru> does it run quake1?
[05:11] <Haohmaru> I don't really like quake2 that much - prefer quake1 and quake3
[05:11] <chicken_man> how do i run quake 2 i keep geting errors about missing .so files :( can some one help
[05:11] <boro> raavi02, umm ? i need help to set up vmware virtual machine first...
[05:11] <raavi02> boro: okay
[05:12] <raavi02> boro: i have done that some time ago, step-by-step procedure I do not remember at the moment
[05:12] <boro> raavi02 :(
[05:13] <raavi02> boro: I presume those are very simple and easily manageable
[05:13] <SeamusLP> Hoahmaru:  Anything change?
[05:14] <raavi02> boro: I never tried to boot a partition, rather installed new for vm-ware
[05:14] <boro> raavi02: i tried, but every time when start new virtual machine, it says: not Op system installed or smt :(
[05:14] <raavi02> boro: got it
[05:15] <jin> on ubuntu install, is there a firewall installed by default?
[05:15] <Foodcoman> Could anyone provide compelling reason why one would choose Firestart vs Shorewall?
[05:15] <raavi02> boro: you must install ubuntu for vm-ware sep'tly. I guess, try googlingm for booting from partition
[05:15] <boro> raavi02: ok
[05:16] <raavi02> boro: Its not recommended mostly to install a stable os on unstable os.
[05:17] <raavi02> boro: I prefer, to install windows on linux.
[05:17] <Seveaz> jin, iptables is what makes up your firewall, that is installed by default
[05:17] <Seveaz> jin, but a nice configuration tool like firestarter is not
[05:17] <raavi02> boro: linux is very heavy to vm-ware under windows, you will have a terrible experience
[05:18] <jin> seveaz, k thanx
[05:21] <pippopappo> i have ubuntu hoary but i can't install mplayer
[05:22] <mainer> pippopappo: www.ubuntuguide.org
[05:23] <snowblink> boro, raavi02 : I'm currently on Hoary on top of Windows in VMware. It is slower than native, but not that bad.
[05:23] <Haohmaru> oh btw I did this: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#configuresoundproperly
[05:23] <pippopappo> thanks
[05:24] <mainer> n.p.
[05:24] <megamind> Hi there ... how can i install the printer in ubuntoo ...
[05:24] <megamind> any idea
[05:24] <raavi02> boro: fine, for simple desktop surfing thats okay, If you actually run something...
[05:25] <snowblink> raavi02, I rebuilt the kernel the other day. It is slow, but not really much slower than my setup from a few years ago.
[05:25] <megamind> i think no one is going to help me in installing printer or modem :)
[05:25] <Super_Cat_Frog> hi - does anybody know of a JRE available through apt? ive got hoary/breezy universe/multiverse enabled
[05:25] <SeamusLP> Hoahmaru:  I think I've found a solution.  Try executing the commands I'm about to pm you
[05:25] <Cygnia> megamind:install the cups drivers in Synaptic then find your printer in the new printer dialog.
[05:25] <snowblink> boro, VMware sets up a system inside one massive file. You cannot use it to access an existing linux partition.
[05:26] <megamind> thanks cygnia .. let me try that plz
[05:26] <raavi02> snowblink: what is your configuration.
[05:27] <Saint33> hi folks...
[05:27] <Saint33> Is it possible to share an internet connection using Ubuntu ?
[05:27] <Haohmaru> SeamusLP: ok
[05:28] <snowblink> raavi02, winxp pro, vmware workstation running ubuntu hoary
[05:28] <raavi02> snowblink: sorry, the hardward.
[05:28] <chicken_man> Saint33, yes it is
[05:28] <Super_Cat_Frog> saint33 - the easiest way to do that is to install bastille, and get that do setup the firewall to do it
[05:28] <megamind> cygnia i can not find cups ... under which category do i seek that ?
[05:29] <Saint33> thanks super_cat_frog,
[05:29] <chicken_man> megamind, use search
[05:29] <snowblink> raavi02, P4 2.8GHz 512MB RAM (although only about 192MB for Ubuntu)
[05:29] <] BreliC[> isn't cups installed by default?
[05:30] <raavi02> snowblink: for academics I use to simulate most of the real-world stuff, there vm-ware performs terribly bad.
[05:30] <Cygnia> megamind: some drivers are extra so search on "cups", it should come up.
[05:30] <Cygnia> Have to get to work, good luck...
[05:30] <raavi02> snowblink: but for normal applications that is quite okay.
[05:31] <snowblink> raavi02, sure. I've not fixed the clock drift problem yet. I think it depends on what you're doing. If you're doing processor intensive, then you shouldn't really use vmware.
[05:31] <pisuke> Saint33: I'd said the easiest way would be to install firestarter. I think bastille is too much.
[05:32] <snowblink> raavi02, I'm still waiting for the company to provide me with a laptop, so I can exit this weird setup...
[05:32] <Saint33> pisuke: thanks :) I need simple options for now... heh
[05:33] <raavi02> snowblink: I stopped using windows, six months ago. Ofcourse for some graphical stuff I ocassionally use.
[05:35] <chicken_man> any one want a C++ guide take a look at my site http://chickenman.zapto.org/apache2-default/help/
[05:36] <snowblink> raavi02, I've not used windows for about 5-6 years. This is a new job in a window-centric company.
[05:36] <raavi02> snowblink: okay
[05:36] <chicken_man> i stoped using windows 2 months ago :P
[05:37] <raavi02> chicken_man: great start
[05:37] <chicken_man> raavi02, use im doing very well so far :)
[05:37] <chicken_man> yes*
[05:37] <snowblink> raavi02, I'll be running vmware on linux, because they use lotus notes here.
[05:38] <karljp> if you can't use kismet, because you have an ndiswrapper card, what other wireless tools are there to help with wireless roaming?
[05:38] <Valentin-> hey, stupid question of a beginner: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java15 <- what is meant with fakeoot
[05:38] <karljp> my windows wlan driver could just automatically connect to anything, or I could look at a list of nearby networks.
[05:39] <karljp> I'm looking for something similar
[05:39] <raavi02> snowblink: do you work for any MNCs or started own business
[05:39] <nickrud> Valentin-, normally to build packages, you need to be root
[05:39] <nickrud> fakeroot fakes it :)
[05:39] <snowblink> raavi02, multi
[05:39] <Valentin-> nickrud, that means I could open up a root terminal
[05:40] <Dark_Sith> hello people
[05:40] <Valentin-> and forget about fakeroot
[05:40] <nickrud> yes, but why?
[05:41] <raavi02> snowblink: okay
[05:41] <forcer> When using Ubuntu, the ImPS/2 mouse driver and /dev/input/mice, the mouse will sometimes start reacting very slowly (as if no acceleration existed) for no apparent reason. This happened with Warty (XFree86) as well as it happens with Hoary (X.Org) - any idea why, or how to fix it?
[05:41] <Dark_Sith> i never used ubutu before, but i was wondering if it would run good on a pc with a 400 Mhz processor, 512 mb?
[05:42] <bur[n] er> Dark_Sith: might wanna use xfce or some other lightweight window manager
[05:42] <snowblink> Valentin-, IIRC it's mostly used for building kernel related stuff
[05:42] <bur[n] er> gnome might be cranky on 400 mHz
[05:42] <bur[n] er> but the 512 ram is good
[05:42] <chicken_man> Dark_Sith, EASY!
[05:42] <pippopappo> i can't open a dvd using mplayer
[05:42] <chicken_man> Dark_Sith, i got 550 mhz
[05:42] <raavi02> Dark_Sith: I think it will do the job for you
[05:42] <Dark_Sith> cool
[05:42] <Valentin-> snowblink,  where do I have to go to?
[05:42] <nickrud> Dark_Sith, yes, just look around for eye candy to turn off, and use a fast theme
[05:42] <darkaudit> pippopappo: you have libdvdcss installed?
[05:42] <chicken_man> Dark_Sith, and use KDE ;)
[05:42] <snowblink> Dark_Sith, I had warty running on a 300MHz 3??MB RAM box
[05:42] <raavi02> Dark_Sith: provided if you have some patience to work with that
[05:42] <jin> whats the name of the hdd program for setting dma and stuff?
[05:42] <pippopappo>  i can't open a dvd using mplayer but just with xine. Why ? When i try open a dvd with mplayer it crashing
[05:42] <Dark_Sith> okay i'll give it a try then :-)
[05:42] <raavi02> Dark_Sith: fine
[05:43] <nickrud> Dark_Sith, don't expect movies to work well at all ;(
[05:43] <snowblink> jin: hdparm?
[05:43] <jin> snowblink: thanx thats the name
[05:43] <gorilla_> bur[n] er, actuall even on a 233 MHz with 128MB of ram Gnome goes okay... swaps a bit but otherwise passable.
[05:43] <raavi02> Dark_Sith: but you can play sound well
[05:43] <bur[n] er> gorilla_: gnome by itself with no apps ;)
[05:43] <snowblink> Valentin-, don't understand your question
[05:43] <Dark_Sith> no will just use it for downloading, e-mails
[05:43] <chicken_man> KDE :P
[05:43] <bur[n] er> gorilla_: if you like to do things within gnome, that's a bit lacking ;)
[05:43] <bur[n] er> less you just launch an xterm
[05:44] <Valentin-> snowblink,  doesn't matter perhaps I just missunterstood you
[05:44] <raavi02> Dark_Sith: then no problem
[05:45] <Valentin-> nickrud, but if I enter that what it provided in command prompt I just get Couldn't find package ...
[05:45] <nickrud> Valentin-, what link was that again?
[05:45] <Valentin-> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java15
[05:46] <Shufla> hi
[05:46] <Shufla> how nice is to install ubuntu with apt-proxy and expert settings :D
[05:47] <NixerX> I just wanna say to those involved with Ubuntu......Excellent work!
[05:47] <nickrud> Valentin-, which command?
[05:47] <Valentin-> nickrud, sudo apt-get install java-package fakeroot
[05:47] <Shufla> NixerX: Thanks :) (I'm involved a little - technical support on # and IRL :D )
[05:47] <karljp> valentin
[05:47] <karljp> are you onn hoary?
[05:47] <karljp> http://nickselby.com/articles/technology/index.htm?a=1806
[05:47] <nickrud> Valentin-, do you have universe and multiverse enabled in your repositories
[05:48] <Valentin-> hehe slowly please
[05:48] <Valentin-> :)
[05:48] <nickrud> OK! we can fix this easy
[05:48] <Valentin-> no I think I am not
[05:49] <nickrud> open synaptic, and under settings there's a menu item called repositories
[05:49] <pippopappo> qualcuno di voi ha installato cedega?
[05:50] <seeker> when I try to connect to skype I immidiatly get a login failed messege, as if it hasn't even tried to login. how can I check if skype is sending out packets? (something like netlimmiter in windows)
[05:51] <Valentin-> nickrud, got it
[05:52] <dazed> whats the repo for mallirat anyone know?
[05:52] <nickrud> Valentin-, ok, look for the item called Hoary Hedgehog (binary) , not the ones marked security or updates
[05:53] <tritium> dazed, deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat unstable main
[05:53] <medrakil> i'm having some trouble with the repositories on ubuntuguide.org.. i get a 500 internal server error on the ftp.nerim.net ones and the backports.ubuntuforums.org/backports ones.. do i need these? can i comment them out?
[05:53] <nickrud> medrakil, if you're on hoary you don't really need those
[05:53] <medrakil> nickrud: yeah, on fresh hoary right off cd
[05:53] <heftigrat> n e 1 have exp installing wine?
[05:54] <Valentin-> got it
[05:54] <medrakil> nickrud: so the guide isn't all up to date then? what's marillat, btw?
[05:54] <nickrud> medrakil, marillat's stuff is usually for installing mplayer & related stuff on debian, and the dev's here recommend not using them.
[05:55] <tritium> medrakil, scroll up.  I posted it for dazed
[05:55] <nickrud> marillat is a debian developer that maintains a lot of non-free stuff in his own repository.
[05:55] <medrakil> nickrud: ah ok.. but i don't need those? i can still get mplayer?
[05:56] <nickrud> medrakil, :)
[05:56] <tritium> medrakil, most people use marillat to get libdvdcss2 so they can play dvds
[05:56] <dazed> tritium: thanks for the info...problem though...its not finding packages when i do reload
[05:56] <nickrud> medrakil, listen to tritium, I don't run dvd :)
[05:57] <medrakil> tritium: ah, ok..
[05:57] <tritium> dazed, which packages are you looking for?
[05:57] <Saint33> Has anyone configured Firestarter without any problems ???
[05:57] <dazed> tritium: i mean its not getting the hit when i reload
[05:57] <dazed> its not even finding the repo
[05:57] <tritium> dazed, it is here...I just aptitude update
[05:57] <dazed> nevermind lol
[05:58] <chicken_man> tritium, i can't find any good tcp\ip C++ programming tutorials ?
[05:58] <sobersabre> Saint33, which problems  have you encountered?
[05:58] <tritium> chicken_man, I'm probably not the right one to ask for that
[05:58] <chicken_man> lol
[05:59] <unperson> Hi.  I'm trying to run mathematica over a remote X connection.  This works fine, except that mathematica requires special fonts.  I downloaded the fonts from Wolfram Research (the guys who make Mathematica), but I don't know how to install them properly.  I've tried a few things, but I don't really know what I'm doing.
[05:59] <dazed> does anyone have a link to adding mallirat repo?
[05:59] <Saint33> I've installed Firestarter ok, but it cant find my eth0 connection even though I'm using it
[05:59] <tritium> dazed, I gave you the right one
[05:59] <asynic> dazed: http://www.ubuntuguide.org - click on the "how to add extra repos"
[05:59] <sobersabre> unperson, you need to follow the instructions on the mathematica site.
[05:59] <nickrud> http://ftp.nerim.net/debian unstable (from memory)
[05:59] <asynic> dazed: the merrilat ones are at the bottom
[06:00] <sobersabre> unperson, put the fonts into /usr/share/fonts
[06:00] <unperson> How do you install fonts in Hoary?  How do you know when they've been installed correctly?  What sort of fonts are the right ones (e.g. which extentions) and are these the same as for windows?
[06:00] <tritium> chicken_man, did you check here: http://linoleum.leapster.org/ ?
[06:00] <dazed> tritium: im not doubting you i just gotta read something cuz your not understanding what im saying
[06:00] <chopper> hi, need to know which package do I need to build apps from source
[06:00] <Dreamer3> my memory problem isn't caused by the kernel... 2.6.8.1 still (1-2 days later) totally runs out of memory...
[06:00] <dazed> asynic: thanks
[06:00] <heftigrat> hey all, getting err "/usr/local/winetools/Xdialog: error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-1.2.so.0" running wine.  specified dir does not even exist.  did install fail?  am i missing libs?  thanks in adv.
[06:00] <Agrajag> chopper: build-essential
[06:00] <chopper> Agrajag, thanks!
[06:00] <sobersabre> into a special dir  ( e.g. Wolfram )
[06:00] <tritium> dazed, I understand that it didn't hit, but it should.
[06:00] <chicken_man> tritium, nope :)
[06:00] <sobersabre> unperson, them run: cd /usr/share/fonts ; fc-update
[06:00] <tritium> heftigrat, the winetools from winehq.com is not compatible with the wine in universe
[06:01] <dazed> tritium: i know thats why i think im doing something wrong and if i read i understand better u know
[06:01] <sobersabre> sorry, fc-cache
[06:01] <jin> does skype exist for ubuntu? cant find it in repositories
[06:01] <tritium> dazed, make sure you entered it correctly
[06:01] <Hobocop> skype exists for linux
[06:01] <Hobocop> and debian specifically
[06:01] <heftigrat> ah...thx, tritium...any tools app that works?
[06:01] <Hobocop> but I dont think it is in the repositories
[06:01] <unperson> sobersabre:  Ah, ok.
[06:01] <Saint33> sombersabre: any ideas reg. firestarter ?
[06:02] <Hobocop> www.skype.org I think
[06:02] <tritium> heftigrat, you can use the wine from winehq.com instead
[06:02] <dazed> tritium: yeah i got it in correctly missed a word
[06:02] <sobersabre> unperson, you can test, by running xterm, and then: xlsfonts | grep <name_of_wolfram_font>
[06:02] <tritium> dazed, ok
[06:02] <heftigrat> awesome, thanks tritium
[06:02] <unperson> sobersabre:  I put the type1 fonts under /usr/share/fonts/type1/mathfonts, but I still didn't have any luck.  I didn't know about the fc-update command.
[06:02] <flyingsquirrel54> While booting up I get the following error:
[06:02] <tritium> heftigrat, e.g., aptitude intsall wine=0.0.20050310-1 is what I did
[06:02] <tritium> s/intsall/install
[06:02] <flyingsquirrel54> * Starting hotplug subsystem
[06:02] <flyingsquirrel54> modprobe: FATAL Error inserting hw_random (/lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-386/kernel/drivers/char/hwrandom.ko): No such device
[06:02] <sobersabre> unperson, it's not "fc-update" it is "fc-cache"
[06:03] <flyingsquirrel54> any ideas?
[06:03] <thenuke> Super_Cat_Frog: seems like bastilles firewall-script-maker supports only 2.2 and 2.4 kernels
[06:03] <sobersabre> and you need to kill X server, to restart it.
[06:03] <nickrud> unperson, type1 fonts, not true type?
[06:03] <jin> hobocop: how come I cant find it in repositories???
[06:03] <Hobocop> probably because it isnt open source software :)
[06:03] <sobersabre> nickrud, yes. it is MAthematica special fonts
[06:03] <Hobocop> I dont know for sur since I am a complete newbie
[06:03] <Hobocop> but I looked hard
[06:03] <unperson> nickrud:  Well, it's confusing.  They have a page for UNIX where they have BDF, PC, and Type1 fonts.
[06:03] <sobersabre> unperson, did u get the unix fonts.. right ?
[06:03] <NixerX> Anyone here ever edit LDAP entries in Exchange via any Client?
[06:04] <unperson> nickrud:  Then in the windows section they have true type fonts.
[06:04] <nickrud> unperson, use the true type fonts and do as sobersabre says
[06:04] <Hobocop> jin: I bet skype wouldnt let them put it in the repository, I really dont know
[06:04] <sobersabre> unperson, i have installed these once on Slackware, there was no problem.
[06:04] <lotia> anyone using the cone mail client on ubuntu
[06:04] <sobersabre> nickrud, there's no advantage of truetype
[06:05] <sobersabre> type1 is ok.
[06:05] <flyingsquirrel54> I'm getting the following error while booting Any ideas?
[06:05] <flyingsquirrel54> * Starting hotplug subsystem
[06:05] <flyingsquirrel54> modprobe: FATAL Error inserting hw_random (/lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-386/kernel/drivers/char/hwrandom.ko): No such device
[06:05] <|QuaD-> http://www.vnunet.com/news/1162571
[06:05] <nickrud> sobersabre, different commands to get them ready :0
[06:05] <Hobocop> woohoo got apache and php and mysql running :)
[06:05] <nickrud> fonts.scale and fonts.dir, I believe
[06:05] <sobersabre> flyingsquirrel54, means u don't have a CPU with RNG
[06:05] <spacedman> Hmmm does the 'popularity-contest' package constitute spyware? :) I dont remember asking to install it!
[06:05] <jimmac> hola
[06:06] <flyingsquirrel54> it's centrino. how do I get rid of the error?
[06:06] <sobersabre> nickrud, it is all done with fc-cache
[06:06] <unperson> sobersabre:  Yes, I got the unix fonts.  I also got the windows fonts.  I attempted to install each.  No luck with either.  I'm going to try your suggestions now.
[06:06] <sobersabre> and mkfontdir,mkfontscale are redundant, because these fonts came with font.scale & dir of their own..
[06:06] <jimmac> I have a module question. the new hoary kernel suddenly started refusing loading my emu10k1 module
[06:07] <nickrud> sobersabre, just checked the man page again, and it says freetype :)
[06:07] <unperson> sobersabre:  So I have downloaded tarballs of the BDF, PCF, and Type1 fonts.  I don't really get if these are the same fonts in 3 different storage formats or if I need to install all of these.
[06:07] <ubuntuphile> I've been running the Ubuntu Update Manager daily after installing Hoary 5.04, but have yet to see any updates.  Have there been no updates issued?  Or could this be the result of a problem that occurred during installation?  I checked my repository lists, and they seem okay.
[06:07] <jimmac> it refuses to load the snd-ac97-codec module because of not understanding the index parameter. insmodding worked, but I cannot find where the index parameter is passed to it
[06:07] <jimmac> it's not in /etc/modules.conf
[06:07] <Hobocop> Why would you expect updates so soon?
[06:07] <sobersabre> unperson, if you want to be sure, you can check /etc/X11/xorg.conf and see if it has paths related to fonts.
[06:08] <Hobocop> I mean there certainly may be some, but when did you install it?
[06:08] <sobersabre> i don't actually remember. i remember using the site was straightforward.
[06:08] <flodine> a guy i got on board sound should i use my soundblaster instead
[06:08] <ubuntuphile> I installed it the day it was released.
[06:08] <sobersabre> unperson, use the directions on site. i don't remember because i didn't think or work hard on it :-)
[06:08] <flodine> and will ubuntu see soundblaster
[06:08] <unperson> sobersabre:  Ok, well, I'll look a bit further for instructions.  I looked a bit yesterday, but I didn't find anything apparently useful.
[06:08] <lenovo> flyingsquirrel54:Maybe you should try edit /etc/hotplug/blanklist. And shouldn't ask same question several times.Just need to wait.
[06:09] <nickrud> unperson, anyway, the simplest way to add fonts is to get the ttf, drop it in ~/.fonts, and run fc-cache
[06:09] <abood> hi all
[06:09] <triandafilos> i just added another hdd to my which has a fat partion how do i get ubuntu to detect it?
[06:09] <whnp> are there any docs for setting up a laptop with the multimedia keys?
[06:09] <sobersabre> nickrud, you _assume_ he has
[06:10] <dazed> triandafilos:  is it windows?
[06:10] <sobersabre> only 1 user that needs Mathematica fonts.
[06:10] <dazed> ull have to mount it
[06:10] <triandafilos> nope..
[06:10] <abood> guys, any body can help me in how to install JRE2 ??, i tried to install it from java.com but i didnt know how to exctract the .bin extinsion
[06:10] <triandafilos> how do i go about doing that?
[06:10] <tritium> whnp, which model?
[06:10] <flyingsquirrel54> lenovo: Sorry, wasn't trying to be rude. Thanks I'll do some research on that. is it really a problem, or just a feature my cpu doesn't support that would be better disabled?
[06:10] <Saint33> Has anyone configured Firestarter without any problems ???
[06:11] <zenrox> abood,  read www.ubuntuguide.org for java install
[06:11] <tritium> abood, Method 2: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java
[06:11] <sobersabre> whnp, no. try going into set up of Shortcuts and there pressing the keys, and binding them to misc actions...\
[06:11] <jin> does anyone know how to use fullscreen when playing something with gmplayer?? I try "t" but it doesnt zoom the actual output
[06:11] <nickrud> abood, get java-package from multiverse, makes it easy
[06:11] <sobersabre> flyingsquirrel54, i wrote you. u probably have a celeron mobile cpu without hardware random number generator circuit. (RNG)
[06:12] <flodine> anyone using a soundblaster live card for sound
[06:12] <abood> zenrox, i did already but they said the package name couldnt be fined, anyways i installed it :) thx all
[06:12] <darkaudit> jin: try changing the video output to 'xv'
[06:12] <sobersabre> floater, many do.
[06:12] <ubuntuphile> f usually works for me with gmplayer for full screen
[06:12] <tritium> abood, method 2 in the URL I sent you uses java-package
[06:12] <eriksti> isn't cvs installed by default in ubuntu? I get bash: cvs: command not found
[06:12] <whnp> sobersabre, the shortcuts can do it ... thanks so much  ... thats awesome that it just works
[06:12] <tritium> eriksti, no
[06:12] <jin> darkaudit: thanx
[06:12] <lenovo> flyingsquirrel54:I think it is not a problem.
[06:12] <abood> thx tritium , nickrud  the proplem solved :)
[06:13] <jin> anyone that knows howto be able using active mode in linuxdcpp?
[06:13] <sobersabre> lenovo, how can you tell .. ?
[06:13] <flyingsquirrel54> thanks I lookup info on how to disable, It takes a long time to boot up, hangs a while on that one. Thanks all.
[06:14] <Edgan> abood: there is a package called java-package to create it, or their is a repo, I think hoary-extras with a premade one
[06:14] <eriksti> tritium, when I go 'apt-get install cvs' it ask for my CD and stuff .. how can I install it with apt-get without having the CD ?
[06:14] <Edgan> flodine: yes
[06:14] <sobersabre> flyingsquirrel54, put the hw_random into blacklisted modules.
[06:14] <Saint33> what command do I type to install a downloaded .deb package ??
[06:14] <tritium> eriksti, comment out the CD line from your /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:14] <djm62> Saint33: dpkg -i package.deb
[06:14] <Edgan> Saint33: dpkg -i file.deb
[06:14] <sobersabre> Saint33, dpkg -i blabla.deb
[06:14] <sobersabre> :)))
[06:15] <Saint33> thx peeps :)
[06:15] <hypno> dpkg -i.. oh wait
[06:15] <eriksti> tritium, thanks, that should do it
[06:15] <djm62> ....preferably substituting the real package name ;)
[06:16] <sobersabre> is there a kernel package preparation tool for ubuntu ( like make-kpkg for debian ) ?
[06:16] <tritium> Edgan, backports are not advisable, as they make upgrading to the next release a pita
[06:16] <tritium> sobersabre, the same (make-kpkg) in kernel-package
[06:17] <lenovo> sobersabre: Sorry. Is my answer wrong?
[06:17] <sobersabre> tritium, so... what shall i call the kernel package name then, when calling make-kpkg // ?
[06:17] <sobersabre> lenovo, i think you cannot assume that a guy _has_ rng.
[06:17] <dazed> hey whats this error mean "W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net stable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907"
[06:17] <sobersabre> as i cannot assume he doesn't :)
[06:17] <djm62> sobersabre: not ubuntu
[06:17] <tritium> sobersabre, read the docs in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package for tips.
[06:17] <sobersabre> tritium, thank you.
[06:18] <ubuntuphile> I did a clean install of Hoary 5.04 the day it was released and have yet to see an update using the Ubuntu Update Manager.  Has this been your experience?
[06:18] <unperson> sobersabre:  Well, it looks like this page basically says use the xset command to add it to your font path:  http://support.wolfram.com/mathematica/systems/unix/general/xsetfonterror.html
[06:18] <djm62> ubuntuphile: 5.04 is stable...minimal updates (security, no-impact bugfix)
[06:18] <tritium> dazed, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptAuthenticationInstructionsForHoary
[06:18] <buz> any breezy users around?
[06:18] <SeamusLP> ubuntuphile:  A firefox security update should be coming in a little while.
[06:18] <djm62> I'm enjoying the break from downloading :)
[06:19] <SavvyPlayer> breezy here
[06:19] <sobersabre> unperson, xset +fp is the rough way.
[06:19] <sobersabre> :)
[06:19] <buz> SavvyPlayer: does cups work for you?
[06:19] <ubuntuphile> thanx djm62--have you received any security or bugfix updates?
[06:19] <sobersabre> unperson, disregards just this.
[06:19] <sobersabre> :)
[06:19] <tritium> dazed, did you see the URL I sent?
[06:19] <SavvyPlayer> i have no printers attached to this machine (yet)
[06:19] <djm62> ubuntuphile: I think I got a couple...could have been universe stuff
[06:20] <buz> mhh doesnt work for me anymore since i updated to breezy
[06:20] <SavvyPlayer> although i was having trouble upgrading cups yesterday
[06:20] <buz> that's the bleeding in bleeding edge guess
[06:20] <djm62> ubuntuphile: you can download SP2 if you have wine installed ;)
[06:20] <dazed> tritium: im not sure
[06:20] <flyingsquirrel54> great no more error, much faster.
[06:20] <SeamusLP> djm62:  You have to be joking
[06:20] <tritium> dazed, I just sent it to you
[06:20] <ubuntuphile> djm62: what's SP2?
[06:20] <nickrud> ubuntuphile, there was a fix to a firefox language pack and the april artwork, and that's it so far
[06:20] <dazed> got it
[06:20] <SavvyPlayer> i seem to be having problems with gecko/libgtlembedmoz.so
[06:21] <dazed> tritium: im on irssi and i wasnt looking it was a couple lines up
[06:21] <SavvyPlayer> neither epiphany nor yelp
[06:21] <djm62> SeamusLP: bien sur....
[06:21] <SavvyPlayer> are able to load
[06:21] <lenovo> sobersabre:Yes, you are right.
[06:21] <SavvyPlayer> *libgtkembedmoz.so*
[06:22] <buz> worst thing is actually that i use a native PS2 printer and not even that works
[06:22] <ubuntuphile> nickrud: thanxs--I'll double check my repository listings, but I have received absolutely no updates.  Not even the Firefox update.
[06:22] <buz> (unelss i feed PS2 directly to /dev/usb/lp0 that is)
[06:22] <SeamusLP> djm62:  Has anyone actually tried that for shits and giggles?
[06:23] <djm62> SeamusLP: I know they had one of the viruses working
[06:23] <SeamusLP> hahahaha
[06:23] <SavvyPlayer> "/usr/lib/mozilla/TestGtkEmbed" works fine
[06:23] <sobersabre> guys... how can i tell which deb does a file belong to ?
[06:23] <nickrud> ubuntuphile, they showed up on the 12th, according to the hoary-changes list
[06:23] <djm62> http://os.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=05/01/25/1430222&from=rss
[06:23] <ubuntuphile> thanxs again, nickrud
[06:25] <onno> How do you install a .deb packedge
[06:25] <djm62> onno: dpkg -i
[06:25] <] BreliC[> onno, dpkg -i packagename.deb
[06:26] <djm62> onno: but only do that if you can't apt-get it
[06:26] <SeamusLP> djm62:  That's bloody hilarious, man.
[06:26] <tritium> sobersabre, dpkg -S <path-to-filename>
[06:26] <sobersabre> tritium, thanks!
[06:26] <tritium> np
[06:26] <onno> ok thanxs its for skype
[06:27] <onno> Ubuntu community real helpfull communtiy :-)
[06:27] <sobersabre> djm62, no. they use it. no ethos.
[06:27] <djm62> sobersabre: I meant, rather than finding .deb packages, then finding the dependencies, etc
[06:28] <djm62> I'd hate to think of someone straight off suse not realising that it was unnecessary
[06:28] <sobersabre> djm62, i didn't get your point... DO YOU THINK UBUNTU INVENTED apt-get ?!?!?!?!
[06:29] <djm62> sobersabre: easy :) I've used debian since potato, but not everyone has
[06:29] <azad> hi there.. anyone got a stable-server for apt for me?
[06:29] <djm62> sobersabre: and I remember rpm hell in redhat before that
[06:30] <jin> I cant find firefox 1.0.3 in repositories
[06:30] <Atholas> jin: it made it into unstable in Debian.
[06:30] <asynic> lol... /me forgot it was called potatoe.
[06:30] <Fackamato> anyone who runs gnome, could you do a ps aux | grep nauti and give me the relevant one for the desktop?
[06:30] <djm62> asynic: a classic release, I feel ;)
[06:31] <Fackamato> because gnome is designed in such a way that it should crash sometimes, and that the desktop should disappear
[06:31] <Fackamato> then you have no way of getting it back
[06:31] <asynic> [synic@rhuidean ~] $ ps fax | grep nauti
[06:31] <asynic>  6890 ?        Ssl    0:09 nautilus --no-default-window --sm-client-id default3
[06:31] <asynic>  6972 ?        S      0:00 /usr/lib/nautilus-cd-burner/mapping-daemon
[06:31] <Fackamato> hm
[06:31] <sobersabre> djm62, apt-get wasn't a new idea too. ports was. after ports came out, everything else seemed.. child game.
[06:31] <SavvyPlayer> is there a simple way to get a PID for a process owning a particular window?
[06:32] <nickrud> Fackamato, try killall nautilus, it always gets it back for me
[06:32] <djm62> sobersabre: yes...I've done BSD and honestly prefer linux, technical rigour aside
[06:33] <djm62> sobersabre: and I really don't think the difference merits all caps ;)
[06:33] <sobersabre> djm62, i cannot say what i prefer... since i have no preference. the UI is the same. ssd.yscalls are different, but not much... and in the end, linux is far more spread than b
[06:33] <sobersabre> bsd i meant
[06:33] <sobersabre> now i closed the touchpad.
[06:33] <sobersabre> now it doesn't make the cursor jump :)
[06:34] <djm62> well yeah...the ultimate answer to "which OS" is "the one you prefer"...it only exists to facilitate human-computer interaction
[06:34] <djm62> sobersabre: you on hp-compaq?
[06:34] <sobersabre> djm62, ... why do you think so ?
[06:35] <djm62> I just got one...the touchpad switch was new on me, and damn handy :)
[06:35] <xuxa> Quick question... GNUcash is available through apt in Ubuntu, right?  I'd like to install Ubuntu for a friend who loves gnucash but using the Ubuntu live cd, I didn't see gnucash was available when I tried, "apt-cache search gnucash" or in Synaptic (sp?)
[06:35] <djm62> maybe all laptops have that these days
[06:35] <sobersabre> djm62, tp switch is not uniq to hp/compaq...
[06:35] <Hobocop> man I wish I could find why my starcraft runs so slow :(
[06:35] <Burgundavia> xuxa, yep, for the install
[06:35] <Burgundavia> Hobocop, use windows for windows games?
[06:35] <sobersabre> hmmm uniq is supposed to be unique!
[06:35] <nickrud> xuxa, it's in universe
[06:35] <sobersabre> damn unix.
[06:35] <Hobocop> yeah I guess
[06:36] <xuxa> Burgundavia, nickrud : great!  Just thought I'd double-check
[06:36] <xuxa> thank you!
[06:36] <djm62> sobersabre: I don't assume the things you think I assume ;)
[06:36] <Hobocop> :'(
[06:36] <xuxa> nickrud: the "universe" is the full set of available packages?  (1000+, if I remember correctly?)
[06:36] <dazed> Hobocop: i use cedega
[06:36] <Bazzi> xuxa theres also multiverse
[06:36] <Hobocop> Burgundavia: why must you shoot my dreams of a linux game to death :'(
[06:36] <Hobocop> lmao
[06:36] <Burgundavia> Hobocop, try glest
[06:37] <asynic> all anyone ever needs is foobillard and bzflag
[06:37] <nickrud> xuxa, universe is the 'free' software, multiverse is the non-free, and there's about 15,000 :)
[06:37] <xuxa> nickrud: wow!  Great.  universe it is.
[06:37] <Hobocop> thank you internet
[06:37] <xuxa> Bazzi: thanks for the clarification.
[06:37] <tritium> asynic, I don't ;)
[06:37] <SeamusLP> Always feels good to help a linux gamer.
[06:37] <Burgundavia> Hobocop, I didn't, as starcraft is not a linux game
[06:37] <asynic> tritium: :P
[06:37] <dazed> supertux :)
[06:38] <Hobocop> I know it isnt, but it doesnt need to run terrible on a computer like mine
[06:38] <Hobocop> I have a ok setup
[06:38] <ubuntuphile> xuxa, you may need to add the universe package to your /etc/apt/sources.list file.  you just need to remove the ## in front of the repository you want to check
[06:38] <dr_willis> check the wine and cedega forums - perhaps some tweek is needed
[06:38] <dr_willis> to get the game working at a better speed.
[06:39] <thully> One of the great things about Ubuntu is that it has 15,000+ packages in main+universe+multiverse+restricted, no need to add all kinds of 3rd party sources (marillat is about the only one anyone might want that I can think of)
[06:39] <xuxa> ubuntulog: ok, great.  I'm hoping to install Ubuntu to the HD today and I'll make sure I've got the universe source in sources.list.  Thank you!
[06:40] <dr_willis> ubuntuguide.org has a sample sources.list with  all of them allready there. :P
[06:40] <tweek> omg i was highlighted :O
[06:40] <Burgundavia> xuxa, see www.ubuntu.com/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[06:40] <tritium> tweek, like this? ;)
[06:40] <thully> Debian has that too, but it's always in flux (as in, new versions of packages every day) and the major packages are older, even in sid (XFree 4.3+GNOME 2.8 in sid vs Xorg 6.8.2+GNOME 2.10 in Hoary)
[06:40] <ubuntuphile> xuxa, Ubuntu does not activate the universe repository by default, so you will need to go in and change the /etc/apt/sources.list file after you install.
[06:41] <tweek> :\
[06:41] <darkaudit> thully: IIRC Sarge was going to release with GNOME *2.4* :(
[06:42] <djm62> horrible
[06:42] <xuxa> ubuntulog: I see... after an initial install, one only has the most basic system from the "main" repository, I take it.
[06:42] <Burgundavia> dark, actually 2.8 I think
[06:42] <ubuntuphile> xuxa--you got it!
[06:43] <djm62> is there any chance of ubuntu speeding debian releases up?
[06:43] <xuxa> ubuntulog: yay!  that's rare.  :)
[06:43] <darkaudit> Burgundavia: it took a bit of hollering for 2.8 to get moved to Sarge... it was sitting in experimental for a couple months before it finally moved
[06:43] <holycow> djm62, after sarge, yes
[06:43] <Burgundavia> dark, indeed
[06:43] <dr_willis> people are addicted to releases every other day! egads... :P the insanity.
[06:43] <nickrud> xuxa, main is the stuff that ubuntu promises to keep up to date security-wise
[06:43] <Burgundavia> djm62, quite possibly
[06:43] <xuxa> nickrud: I see.
[06:43] <djm62> dr_willis: it's part of the fun ;)
[06:44] <darkaudit> dr_willis: I'm just waiting for the gtk update so my file-roller bug will be fixed
[06:44] <xuxa> nickrud: is a comparison to Debian's "stable" apt?  (note the pun!)
[06:44] <dr_willis> djm62,  i got gnome 2.8.0.0.0.0.0.01 neiner neiner! :P
[06:44] <xuxa> :)
[06:44] <nickrud> xuxa, that's a valid comparison :)
[06:44] <djm62> anyone used openclipart.org ?
[06:44] <dr_willis> drats .02 is out now! lol.
[06:44] <holycow> djm62, the work done on ubuntu is supposed to be rolled back to sarge, as their social policies allow/dd's like
[06:44] <xuxa> djm62: Just a bit.  My friend contributed a few logos.
[06:44] <xuxa> something with cats.  :)
[06:45] <holycow> djm62, also ubuntu is frozen OFF OF debian unstable every 6 months, i don't see a permanent 'fork' being created, ssay in the way mandrake forked off of redhat
[06:45] <djm62> xuxa: if you view the larger directories in nautilus and gthumb, do they crash?
[06:45] <Super_Cat_Frog> is it possible to mask a single version of a package, like in gentoo "echo =catagory/app-1.2.3 >> /etc/portage/package.mask"?
[06:45] <xuxa> djm62: let me try gthumb... my apt on this system is pretty messed up so I can't try nautilus... Just a sec.
[06:45] <djm62> holycow: it's not forking I was worried about so much as ubuntu hurting debian or debian slowing ubuntu
[06:45] <holycow> djm62, so yeah, and the new debian project lead stated he wants the two groups to work closely together, debians current problem is not ctually releasing sarge, but releasing sarge on all 11 platforms
[06:45] <hypno> Super_Cat_Frog what does masking mean?
[06:46] <holycow> djm62, don't be selfish
[06:46] <xuxa> djm62: hrm.  gthumb is acting up as well.  I don't think my results will be very telling.
[06:46] <holycow> djm62, the day ubuntu drops debian, is the day ubuntu dies
[06:46] <djm62> holycow: that's not selfish...I like both projects
[06:47] <xuxa> djm62: this is the first Debian system I installed about 3 years ago and since then as I've learned I've managed to mess everything up.  It's time for a reinstall.  :)
[06:47] <hypno> ubuntu 'dropping' debian is almost conceptually impossible
[06:47] <djm62> holycow: but ubuntu will likely draw users from debian (maybe proportionally fewer developers) and users are lifeblood
[06:47] <nickrud> djm62, I see a lot of dd' lurking here :)
[06:47] <Valentin-> nickrud,  sorry my fast leaving, but I got problems with my pc and had to shut it down
[06:47] <holycow> djm62, just keep in mind ubuntu 'freezes' debian unstable, ubuntu does not carry on, on their own, not even redhat can match the size and breadth of ubuntu and thus suggesting that debian might be holding back 'ubunttu' is both ludicrous and a little bit insulting
[06:48] <nickrud> Valentin-, np
[06:48] <holycow> djm62, some say that, i don't see it
[06:48] <djm62> holycow: I intended to be neither ludicrous or insulting...I'll just stay passive :)
[06:48] <ubuntuphile> I can see some similarities between Ubuntu and Debian, an the relationship between Fedora and RedHat Enterprise--thought there are some important differences here, too.
[06:48] <hypno> its not like that at all (i hope)
[06:48] <djm62> 0_0
[06:48] <holycow> djm62, i see ubuntu as two things: proof that debian can do time based releases, at least on the pc, and and example of how an organization can take the heat off of the main dd's
[06:49] <erpel> hello
[06:49] <djm62> people are touchy animals :-/
[06:49] <holycow> djm62, take it for what it is, it's only my point of view, but don't forget that people work on debian for the love of it, and ubuntu employs a lot of dd's, therefore to not be carefull about comments on one or the other project can be taken personally
[06:49] <nickrud> especially when you touch their babies :)
[06:50] <holycow> djm62, note: i'm not a dd but i am protective of debian :)
[06:50] <xuxa> nickrud: hehe
[06:50] <Burgundavia> ubuntuphile, fedora is a test ground for RHEL, and nothing more. Ubuntu si much more than a test ground for Debian
[06:50] <djm62> holycow: I'd hate to kill any sacred cows...but there's always a possibility of any two entities becoming mutually antagonistic, and I don't think things succeed accidentally
[06:51] <flyingsquirrel54> heres an easy one. Where's fstab?
[06:51] <hypno> gpl will sort it out ;)
[06:51] <Burgundavia> /etc/
[06:51] <erpel> /etc/fstab
[06:51] <dazed> /etc/
[06:51] <djm62> I don't think they have to be, and I don't want them to be...but I'm free to worry about it
[06:51] <holycow> djm62, sure, thats why i'm suggesting you phrase things constructively perhaps? karma and all that :)
[06:51] <Burgundavia> hypno, gpl does not sort out people yelling at each other
[06:51] <flyingsquirrel54> wow 3 answers in less than 3 secs!
[06:51] <nickrud> djm62, holycow, the most hopeful sign I see is that ubuntu and debian's ftp-masters overlap
[06:51] <erpel> do you know anythin official about a usb-mass-storage bug in hoary?
[06:51] <holycow> djm62, oh ubuntu and debian are inseperable, the day ubuntu officiall forks permanently off of debian is the day it dies
[06:52] <Burgundavia> erpel, I would check the bugzilla, but I haven't heard much
[06:52] <djm62> holycow: I started by asking how ubuntu might help debian...and then responded by saying I hoped they wouldn't harm each other
[06:52] <Burgundavia> djm62, there is no way ubuntu can handle all the packages that the dd's do
[06:52] <hypno> holycow aye, ubuntu have just tweaked and prodded at debian, ubuntu is not up to the task of making a whole distribution, not by a long shot
[06:52] <holycow> djm62, it's okay dude, i'm not attacking you :) your comments are fine, i meant no disrespect
[06:53] <Burgundavia> not many people are up to making a whole distro
[06:53] <Valentin-> nickrud,  what do I have to change in synaptic to get multiverse?
[06:53] <erpel> i saw several forum posts with a problem similar to mine and there is a bug filed at bugzilla but i don't know if its really an bug in hoary or just some random error
[06:53] <Burgundavia> that is why a lot of distros loack polish
[06:53] <Burgundavia> nickrud, settings-->repositories
[06:53] <nickrud> Valentin-, are you back to the repositories in synaptic
[06:53] <Burgundavia> Valentin-, settings-->repositories
[06:53] <Valentin-> got it
[06:53] <Burgundavia> Valentin-, click add
[06:53] <hypno> aye, it makes sense to have one set of people specialise on the base of the system and the server side and another set for the desktop eyecandy bits
[06:54] <Valentin-> okay
[06:54] <Burgundavia> Valentin-, select the bottom of tick box
[06:54] <thr1ce> man...new font update in breezy is amazing
[06:54] <whnp> thr1ce, can you explain more?
[06:54] <Valentin-> Ubuntu updates?
[06:54] <ningo> how do i change the standard encoding in gnome?
[06:54] <thr1ce> explain?  um...it looks nicer?
[06:55] <dr_willis> :)
[06:55] <MrNonchalant> Is there a graphical version of sudo?
[06:55] <dr_willis> whats breezy doing differently?
[06:55] <Markrian> MrNonchalant, gksudo
[06:55] <erpel> gsudo i think
[06:55] <erpel> gk sorry
[06:55] <sobersabre> MrNonchalant, yes, windows XP
[06:55] <cyphase> lol
[06:55] <sobersabre> ;)
[06:55] <Valentin-> Burgundavia,  you mean ubuntu updates
[06:55] <thr1ce> not much...my fonts looked bad when I first installed hoary; pretty good now with the update that just went through
[06:55] <MrNonchalant> sobersabre: lol
[06:56] <nickrud> Valentin-, no, hoary hedgehog, and tick the checkbox called multiverse
[06:56] <MrNonchalant> sobersabre: I'd prefer not to boot there to install apps onto Ubuntu ;)
[06:56] <Valentin-> ah okay
[06:56] <Burgundavia> Valentin-, yep
[06:56] <sobersabre> ok.. .see u all later.
[06:56] <MrNonchalant> Markrian: Thanks.
[06:57] <nickrud> Valentin-, and after it updates, java-package will be available
[06:57] <pippopappo> come mai quando apro un file con scite questo vieni visualizzato con un font schifoso?
[06:57] <Valentin-> that means, if I saw it right, that I am allowd by system to download and install specific packages
[06:57] <pippopappo> voi che settaggi avete?
[06:57] <Valentin-> :)
[06:57] <Valentin-> ah okay hehe
[06:59] <nickrud> Valentin-, yes, hit control-F, and search for java-package
[07:00] <Haohmaru> where do I find the config file for the default videosystem (I need it so I can get libvga.config look the same)
[07:01] <djm61> sometimes you just can't say anything right...later all ;)
[07:01] <thr1ce> heya ikaro
[07:03] <Valentin-> nickrud,  next problem: Couldn't determine gcc system type <- I am so sorry that I got that less experience
[07:03] <nickrud> Valentin-, install build-essential
[07:03] <Burgundavia> Valentin-, 4.3.5 if you use hoary
[07:03] <asynic> Valentin-: apt-get install build-essential
[07:03] <Valentin-> okay
[07:03] <thr1ce> no, 3.3.5
[07:04] <Valentin-> okay got 3.3.5
[07:04] <no0tic> /proc/cpuinfo shows correct cpu freq values but in /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/cpuinfo_cur_freq the value is not the same...
[07:05] <nickrud> Valentin-, did you install fakeroot yet?
[07:05] <erpel> is there a way to completely downgrade to warty without reinstalling?
[07:05] <keffo> hm, anyone wanna help some? i believe something is wrong with flashplayer in linux.. tell me what you see, http://smh03.lbs.se/smh03john/flash/
[07:05] <Valentin-> nickrud,   fakeroot make-jpkg /home/johannes/downloads/jdk-1_5_0_02-linux-i586-rpm.bin like that?
[07:05] <Haohmaru> keffo: a login screen
[07:05] <nickrud> Valentin-, exactly
[07:05] <keffo> ok
[07:05] <keffo> great
[07:05] <keffo> Haohmaru, try type something, in username for example.. do you see what yuo write?
[07:06] <Valentin-> nickrud,  did it No matching plugin was found.
[07:06] <Valentin-> Removing temporary directory: done
[07:06] <Haohmaru> keffo : I cannot type anything (nor do I see what I type) the buttons don't seem to work either
[07:06] <nickrud> Valentin-, anything else in the error?
[07:07] <Choubaka> Grr.
[07:07] <Choubaka> My printer isn't working again :p
[07:07] <keffo> ok, thing is.. you type something.. theres a big bug in flashplayer or summit
[07:07] <keffo> try usr1 pwd1
[07:07] <keffo> it works
[07:07] <keffo> you just dont see what you write
[07:08] <Haohmaru> keffo : ah now I see a colourful 'crossword' screen
[07:08] <keffo> yey
[07:08] <keffo> i got this bug on many many pages
[07:08] <keffo> and it sucks
[07:08] <keffo> that flashplayer doesnt really work
[07:08] <thr1ce> keffo, use windows
[07:09] <SavvyPlayer> no problems with flashplayer here
[07:09] <keffo> SavvyPlayer, so you see what you type in?
[07:09] <keffo> the username fields etc
[07:09] <Ocid> keffo: works for me
[07:09] <nickrud> keffo, which flashplayer did you install
[07:09] <Valentin-> nickrud,  no
[07:09] <cevans> For acpi-support, is there some preferred way to make closing the lid do suspend to RAM besides mangling /etc/acpi/lid.sh?
[07:09] <keffo> i dont remember, might've been the one from the their site.. i dont remember actually
[07:09] <keffo> how did you guys do?
[07:09] <SavvyPlayer> sure do
[07:09] <nickrud> Valentin-, try again from inside your download directory
[07:10] <Valentin-> okay, sec
[07:11] <Valentin-> nickrud, same result
[07:11] <kash> hi everybody
[07:11] <nickrud> Valentin-, wait one, I'm doing here again
[07:11] <Valentin-> yup
[07:12] <dazed_> df
[07:12] <nickrud> Valentin-, it's working here
[07:13] <Valentin-> nickrud, okay wait checking it again
[07:14] <kash> just a small question...sometimes when i boot my laptop, it is blocked at a step where it is written "calculating if modules...." an then "loading if modules"and then, problem, the laptop is blocked and the own soltion is to reboot until the step is load... have you alredy seen it or do u have any idea???
[07:14] <nickrud> Valentin-, you don't want the rpm.bin, you want the .bin (sorry, didn't look closely enough at your command line you posted)
[07:14] <dt2> hello
[07:14] <kash> for info i have a hedghog versionwith amd 64
[07:14] <Valentin-> nickrud,  yes
[07:14] <dt2> will an off-the-cd installation of hoary leave windowsxp alone?
[07:14] <erol> hi people
[07:14] <dt2> and dual-boot?
[07:15] <erol> modules howto install ubuntu linux
[07:15] <nickrud> Valentin-, the part about the diff between rpm.bin and .bin?
[07:15] <Valentin-> nickrud,  I have to unpack my bin to a .deb or?
[07:15] <danonlinedotnet> dt2: yes.
[07:15] <erpel> should work. if you choose the right partitions
[07:15] <danonlinedotnet> dt2: Just make sure you partition correctly.
[07:15] <dt2> i already have 3 ext3fs partitions (ex-mandrake)
[07:15] <nickrud> Valentin-, you have the wrong java bin :)
[07:15] <kash> nobody ??
[07:15] <Valentin-> hehe okay
[07:15] <Valentin-> min.
[07:15] <Luis_R> Hello, I am new to Linux, and I'm afraid I cannot find the instructions on how to mount my USB Devices
[07:15] <dt2> hda1=win c, hda2=win d
[07:15] <Luis_R> I need help
[07:15] <dt2> hda3=/ hda4=swap hda5=/home
[07:16] <dt2> can that be maintained?
[07:16] <nickrud> Valentin-, it should work once you get the right one. I gotta go, if you have more problems someone here will pick up the slack
[07:16] <erpel> think so
[07:16] <dt2> there's data i'd like to keep on hda5
[07:16] <thr1ce> Luis_R, udev will probably take care of it for you if you're on 2.6.xx kernel
[07:16] <Valentin-> nickrud,  thanks a lot
[07:16] <erpel> @dt2
[07:16] <nickrud> Valentin-, np
[07:16] <kash> nobody ??
[07:16] <cevans> dt: Rather sure it can, I'm using a similar setup, and maintained my home partition during install.
[07:16] <Luis_R> how come i cannot access them?
[07:16] <danko123456> danko123456: hah
[07:16] <erol> anyone help me pls!!!
[07:16] <danonlinedotnet> kash: I use a laptop and haven't seen that.
[07:17] <danko123456> erol: whats up?
[07:17] <kash> do u ave a 64 ??
[07:17] <danonlinedotnet> kash: Of course, I use a 32 bit architecture...
[07:17] <erol> modules howto install
[07:17] <kash> hummmmm..
[07:17] <danonlinedotnet> kash: Does this only happen sometimes?
[07:18] <danko123456> erol: hm..what modules?
[07:18] <dt2> cevans: mandrake's left lilo in place, i understand ubuntu uses grub?
[07:18] <kash> it s horible i always have to reboot 3 times until it runs
[07:18] <cevans> dt2: yes.
[07:18] <Luis_R> thrlce, Why can't I see the devices
[07:18] <erol> eagle-usb
[07:18] <kash> no it open often
[07:18] <kash> no it hapen often
[07:18] <kash> sorry
[07:18] <danonlinedotnet> np
[07:18] <erpel> Luis_R type dmesg after you plugged in the device
[07:18] <danko123456> is it in your sources?
[07:19] <danko123456> can you see it in apt?
[07:19] <chazwurth> Has anyone gotten dual-head displays to work using the nv driver for an nvidia card? On a laptop in particular?
[07:19] <dt2> cevans: v impressed with hoary live cd. only distrib i've tried that detects all sony laptop hardware and wireless. great
[07:19] <danonlinedotnet> Have you been able to find reports of poeple with your architecture having the same problem?
[07:19] <Luis_R> erpel in terminal?
[07:19] <erpel> yes
[07:19] <kash> no
[07:19] <erpel> maybe that you have to type sudo dmesg on ubuntu @ Luis_R
[07:19] <cevans> dt2: It is the only distribution that will get my laptop to sleep properly without changing scripts, though I still have to have a custom-patched kernel.
[07:19] <danko123456> erol: can you see that module in your synaptic/apt?
[07:19] <whnp> chazwurth, I am trying to do that very thing
[07:19] <dt2> cevans: nice
[07:19] <Luis_R> erpel, I'll try that now
[07:20] <whnp> except with an i810 card
[07:20] <chazwurth> whnp: Any luck?
[07:20] <ska-fan> ARe the cds from shipit.u.c shipping yet?
[07:20] <erol> danko123456 : i instaled from tar.gz
[07:20] <danonlinedotnet> dt2: I was really impressed, too. The install on my Thinkpad asked only my keyboard layout and partition info, and sound, wifi, suspend-to-disk, and a bunch of other stuff just work.
[07:20] <erol> modprobe doesnt work
[07:20] <whnp> chazwurth, have not started on it yet
[07:20] <danko123456> well, try the one from the repo.
[07:20] <whnp> just begining to read
[07:20] <danko123456> It is there.
[07:21] <danko123456> Some of it anyhow...theres mention.
[07:21] <whnp> best docs right now are in the laptop-projector howto
[07:21] <dt2> cevans: just to confirm; install will let me choose what partition to install to, and create suitable dual-bootness? a stiffed wxp would be A Bad Thing
[07:21] <danonlinedotnet> dt2: In my experience, yes.
[07:21] <chazwurth> whnp: Me too, but what I've seen so far is discouraging. Everyone says to use the nvidia drivers instead of nv, but my laptop won't suspend properly if I use those.
[07:21] <cevans> dt2: It should.
[07:21] <Choubaka> Hmm
[07:21] <danko123456> ChowBakah.
[07:21] <danko123456> :)
[07:22] <Choubaka> anyone here with vesafb-tng and nvidia working together?
[07:22] <chazwurth> whnp: Haven't seen that howto. Is it on the wiki?
[07:22] <danonlinedotnet> dt2: It let me edit the partition table, set labels for the various partitions (which it found from my previous linux install), and installed itself into the parition lableled /
[07:22] <Choubaka> also, anyone here who could make my damn printer work? :(
[07:22] <cevans> dt2: Yes - looking at my /boot/grub/menu.lst, the installer automatically added a Windows boot option.
[07:22] <Luis_R> erpel, I did that and it seemed to have gone through some kind of process, what is my next step?
[07:22] <danonlinedotnet> dt2: The grub install detected winxp and asked if I wanted to add an entry for it.
[07:22] <navreet> Ubuntu rox
[07:22] <kash> i have also another prob with gnome... it can't run and writte a msg on the desktop "can't initalize HAL connection", Any idea ??
[07:22] <danko123456> Choubaka: whats your printer?
[07:22] <dt2> danon/cev: looks like i've found a suitable replacement for mdk. always have liked the idea of debian and apt
[07:23] <Choubaka> danko123456: BJC-4300
[07:23] <danonlinedotnet> kash: does kde work?
[07:23] <Choubaka> linuxprinting.org lists it as working "perfectly"
[07:23] <whnp> no, its a general linux howto ... search google for it.
[07:23] <kash> yes im now under kde
[07:24] <cevans> kash: Does /etc/init.d/dbus-1 restart give an error?
[07:24] <danko123456> Choubaka: thats a Canon, right?
[07:24] <nydust> i have apache 2 installed but i can acces it.
[07:24] <kash> wait i see
[07:24] <Choubaka> danko123456: yes.
[07:24] <chazwurth> whnp: Cool, will do.
[07:24] <danko123456> Choubaka: how do you have it connected, USB?
[07:24] <dt2> danon/cev: many thanks.
[07:25] <danonlinedotnet> sure.
[07:25] <Choubaka> danko123456: parallel :p
[07:25] <kash> yes there isan error start-stop-daemon: warning: failed to kill 6997: Operation not permitted [ ok ] 
[07:25] <kash> rm: ne peut enlever `/var/run/dbus/pid': Permission non accorde
[07:25] <danko123456> Choubaka: sweet...
[07:25] <danko123456> Choubaka: so...have you got Hoary?
[07:25] <cevans> kash: Oh, you need to run that as root.
[07:25] <danonlinedotnet> But doesn
[07:25] <kash> ok
[07:25] <danonlinedotnet> 't that happen during boot?
[07:26] <Choubaka> "Color inkjet printer, max. 720x360 dpi, works Perfectly"
[07:26] <Choubaka> perfectly my arse. :P
[07:26] <danko123456> Choubaka: hoary?
[07:26] <Choubaka> Yes.
[07:26] <danko123456> Choubaka: good, have you tried through the System Menu->administration?
[07:26] <kash> * Stopping Hardware abstraction layer:                                  [ ok ] 
[07:26] <kash>  * Stopping system message bus:                                          [ ok ] 
[07:26] <kash>  * Starting system message bus:                                          [ ok ] 
[07:26] <kash>  * Starting Hardware abstraction layer:
[07:26] <kash> /usr/sbin/hald already running.
[07:26] <kash> run-parts: /etc/dbus-1/event.d/20hal exited with return code 1
[07:26] <danko123456> Printing, select port, forward, select brand, find model, next, finish...
[07:26] <kash> is it an error ?
[07:27] <ningo> how do i change the standard encoding in gnome?
[07:27] <dockane> is there sombody inhere who knows gpart ?
[07:27] <Choubaka> danko123456: Well, yes and no.
[07:27] <Choubaka> I don't have Gnome
[07:27] <cevans> kash: Not sure. /usr/sbin/hald should have been killed when the script stopped HAL.
[07:27] <Choubaka> but I ran gnome-cups-manager
[07:27] <danko123456> heh
[07:27] <danko123456> well...
[07:27] <kash> how can i do ??
[07:27] <danko123456> Choubaka: ok, if its the same thing...
[07:28] <danko123456> you should try that, its easy...UI think it shoudl work,.
[07:28] <Choubaka> it doesn't. :P
[07:28] <cevans> kash: do you have this problem all the time?
[07:28] <Choubaka> It detected the printer at one point.
[07:28] <Choubaka> Didn't work.
[07:28] <nydust> how do i install apache like it was the firsttime, deleate all the conf files ect?
[07:28] <kash> ys
[07:28] <Choubaka> Now it doesn't even detect the printer anymore.
[07:28] <kash> yes
[07:28] <danko123456> Is the driver there? you found it on the list?
[07:28] <danko123456> why do you not have gnome?
[07:29] <Choubaka> Because I don't like it
[07:29] <Choubaka> and Yes, the driver is in the list.
[07:29] <jeroen_> nydust: re-install it?
[07:29] <danko123456> whats there not to have about it.
[07:29] <danko123456> heh
[07:29] <danko123456> Serious, try that, it should work, it even detects the printer for you.
[07:29] <danko123456> gnome-panekl.
[07:29] <cevans> kash: I'm don't know then. You could try killing hald manually, and then restarting dbus, but that would probably only fix the problem if it was just occuring on this session, and not all the time.
[07:29] <Choubaka> danko123456: ... it doesn't.
[07:29] <danko123456> Its the Danko123456 show.
[07:29] <nydust> jeroen_,  yeah
[07:30] <Choubaka> I ran gnome-cups-manager
[07:30] <Choubaka> several times
[07:30] <kash> see at this lnk i have exactly the same prob https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=9864
[07:30] <Choubaka> tried different settings.
[07:30] <Choubaka> to no avail.
[07:30] <danko123456> hm, yeah, youre f...ed:)
[07:30] <Puckaroo> hi, i just installed mplayer, and i'm trying to watch a video, everything seems fine and works, but when i try to go full screen, the video stays the same size and a couple of black bands appear around it to cover the resto of the screen
[07:30] <danko123456> jj.
[07:30] <Choubaka> I was able to print a test page. _once_
[07:30] <Puckaroo> can anyone please tell me how to stretch the image?
[07:30] <nydust> jeroen_, i have tryed with synaptic reinstall but it seems like som old config still are there
[07:30] <kash> i don't understand anything
[07:30] <nydust> jeroen_, i dont get my apache to work
[07:31] <bronson> Puckaroo: you need to change your vo.
[07:31] <danko123456> Puckaroo: maybe you are running another software that uses the video out.
[07:31] <jeroen_> nydust: can you delete the configs manually, then use synaptic?
[07:31] <bronson> try myplayer -vo xv
[07:31] <ze_angelo> whats good combo scan/printer that works with linux my laxmark x 85 is no no for anyof it
[07:31] <bronson> If your video card supports it...
[07:31] <Puckaroo> ok i'll try that
[07:31] <danko123456> bronson: right.
[07:32] <Puckaroo> yup it's working now. thank you very much
[07:32] <bronson> Puckaroo: you can put that in your .mplayer/conf file to make it automatic.
[07:32] <bronson> ze_angelo: I've had good luck with the Epsons.
[07:33] <Puckaroo> but it only streches the images if i specify it from the ommand line, is there any way to make it do it when i start from the gui?
[07:33] <jeroen_> nydust: Or maybe try "complete removal" (not sure what that does though :P )
[07:33] <danko123456> :)
[07:33] <rj-> I have a question, I have a computer that is dual b ooting windows xp and ubuntu breezy, I just got my hands on a newer/better computer, So i unplugged the harddrive out of my existing setup, and installed it in the new computer (its the only harddrive in the new computer) I turn on the computer and i see my grub menu listing all my kernels and my windows installation, When i try to boot a kernel i get a VFS PANIC, when i try to boot into windows I get a bl
[07:33] <danko123456> ronson: Puckaroo: you can put that in your .mplayer/conf file to make it automatic.
[07:33] <ze_angelo> Thank you bronson for info
[07:33] <rj-> How do i fix this, i do not want to re-install.
[07:33] <bronson> But I just got a free C86 with my new mac mini and it *sucks*.  So I'm no longer the biggest Epson fan...
[07:33] <cevans> rj-: You can run breezy?
[07:33] <IceEyz> Those link emblems on mounted HD's and shortcuts... are these annoying green arrows removable? :)
[07:34] <Puckaroo> i'll give it a try
[07:34] <Puckaroo> thanx
[07:34] <danko123456> I have an epson, and am not a Fan.
[07:34] <Burgundavia> rj-, I am surprised that linux does that, it should just work. However, windows, hmm.
[07:34] <bronson> danko123456: what kind?
[07:34] <rj-> cevans: ya, no problems, i hal got hosed and i lost evolution.
[07:34] <bronson> My C80 is great.
[07:34] <danko123456> multi cx5400
[07:34] <danko123456> they are ok...
[07:34] <danko123456> just...have you tried elaving it with no inki in it?
[07:34] <thr1ce> hm...anyone know where firefox extensions are kept ?
[07:34] <danko123456> it cloggs up..
[07:34] <Burgundavia> rj-, hal is probably why your system didn't work when you changed machines
[07:34] <danko123456> no warning...
[07:35] <bronson> Problem is, printers & scanners are now like cell phones...
[07:35] <bronson> The ALL suck!
[07:35] <stuNNed> lol
[07:35] <bronson> Not one manufacturer makes a good one anymore.
[07:35] <rj-> Burgundavia: that's a good point. has anyone figured out what happend to hal in breezy?
[07:35] <Burgundavia> rj-, if you had hal, it proabably would have worked
[07:35] <danko123456> yeah, I guess...I bought a bigger one, like almost office \size...
[07:35] <Burgundavia> rj-, the devs start the conference 25th
[07:35] <Burgundavia> rj-, expect lots of changes around then
[07:35] <cevans> Burgundavia, rj-: Though would that cause a kernel panic?
[07:36] <rj-> ya, i dont know about that, the kernel panic is happening immmedialty
[07:36] <Burgundavia> might be borked kernel in breezy as well
[07:36] <dockane> ze_angelo, I am pretty happy with my 2nd hand kyocera 1750 and epson 3200 (could be 9800 if you are in the us)
[07:36] <rj-> nah, i didn't do any kernel upgrades in breezy
[07:36] <rj-> I'am still running the same kernel 2.6.10 from hoary
[07:37] <cevans> rj-: When does it panic?
[07:37] <Puckaroo> it's working now
[07:37] <Puckaroo> thanx a lot
[07:37] <rj-> cevans: let me boot it up again, hang tight.
[07:37] <danko123456> thanx bronson
[07:37] <Puckaroo> bbye
[07:37] <danko123456> :)
[07:37] <danko123456> bye
[07:37] <ze_angelo> thanks Doc keep that in mind getting so sick windows and prod actvate stuff why looking at linux more
[07:37] <danko123456> puckaroo, nice nicl
[07:37] <danko123456> k
[07:37] <dockane> bronson: buy the old stuff 2nd hand. the better hardware from yesterday is the good one from today.
[07:38] <danko123456> nice...
[07:38] <thr1ce> noone knows where firefox extensions are ?
[07:38] <cevans> When I try to dist-upgrade I get a size-mismatch with libdbh1.0. Does anyone know about this problem?
[07:38] <danko123456> thr1ce: like on the web?
[07:38] <IceEyz> Those link emblems on mounted HD's and shortcuts... are these annoying green arrows removable? :)
[07:38] <danko123456> there is a #mozilla on....some IRC server..
[07:39] <thr1ce> no
[07:39] <thr1ce> on my ubuntu system, where are they stored
[07:39] <thr1ce> I installed a bad one that's screwing thinsg up
[07:39] <dbalster> thrlce: normally in your $HOME/.mozilla
[07:39] <nydust> i get dzhandle command not found in synaptic. what is that?
[07:39] <danko123456> IceEyz: are you talking about icons in your gnome?
[07:40] <chopper> how can i install a file .deb?
[07:40] <danko123456> dpkg...
[07:40] <danko123456> something like that.
[07:40] <IceEyz> danko123456 yup, shortcuts
[07:40] <thr1ce> dbalster, that's what I thought; i rm -rf'ed it, and it's still causing problems
[07:40] <Burgundavia> chopper, what are you trying to install?
[07:40] <nydust> chopper, dpkg -i yourfile.dep
[07:40] <danko123456> well, right click, properties, change icon.
[07:40] <thr1ce> reinstalled firefox, and that did nothing
[07:40] <chopper> Burgundavia, amsn 0.94
[07:40] <danko123456> thr1ce: cause you still have th ~/mozilla
[07:40] <Linforcer> hey anyone know where I can find a list of symbols and their xkb names?
[07:41] <Burgundavia> chopper, use apt-get. It is in a repo
[07:41] <thr1ce> danko123456, no; I just said that I rm -rf 'ed ~/.mozilla
[07:41] <Burgundavia> chopper, or synaptic
[07:41] <IceEyz> danko, I did choose other icons...in fact, it's on every icon I select if it's a mounted device.. Green arrow emblem
[07:41] <chopper> Burgundavia, doesn't work the version on synaptic
[07:41] <chaitatp> hi guys, how can i login to microsoft vpn server: i am using ubuntu and has installed openvcd already
[07:41] <Burgundavia> chopper, hmm
[07:41] <chaitatp> openvcn*
[07:42] <chaitatp> openvpn*
[07:42] <rj-> cevans: ok the kernel starts booting up shows it detecting the harddrive as hda then i get a error about pivot_root: no such file or directory and then Kernel Panic - not syncing: attempted to kill init.
[07:42] <dbalster> thrlce: could depend on your profile, maybe there are some settings in /etc/mozilla-firefox..?
[07:42] <chopper> Burgundavia, i'll use dpkg but in where is it installed?
[07:42] <danko123456> IceEyz: like what file?
[07:42] <Burgundavia> chopper, same method as synatpic
[07:42] <Burgundavia> chopper, they use a common backend
[07:42] <danko123456> how do you make a shortcut...
[07:42] <danko123456> :)
[07:42] <chopper> Burgundavia, thanx
[07:42] <dbalster> chaitatp: install pptp and read http://pptpclient.sourceforge.net/ (very good)
[07:43] <chaitatp> dbalster, i will try
[07:43] <chaitatp> dbalster, thanks a lot
[07:43] <cevans> rj-: The only thing I could think of would be that /etc/fstab has some problem, but I have never heard of pivot_root. Breezy is probably doing something strange.
[07:43] <rj-> for the record the file system is reiserfs
[07:43] <dbalster> chaitatp: the debian part works for ubuntus as well :-)
[07:43] <danko123456> IceEyz: there is a tab in properties, tried removing it there?
[07:43] <IceEyz> danko: Mounted devices, S-ATA, P-ATA, NTFS and Fat32, but not on network shares, home, computer or normal files... If I create a shortcut on those devices, the same arrow gets there as well.
[07:43] <rj-> cevans: I dont know, this seems to be all in kernel land.
[07:43] <Choubaka> I feel like throwing that fscking printer out of the window
[07:43] <IceEyz> it's not in there
[07:43] <chopper> is there an app like mc???
[07:43] <danko123456> IceEyz: tough:)
[07:44] <thr1ce> no, I've tried removing my profile too; nothing
[07:44] <thr1ce> ugh...this sucks
[07:44] <danko123456> thr1ce: you know the #mozilla channel on that other IRC server?
[07:45] <thr1ce> danko123456, this is ubuntu specific; every distro stores user settings in different places
[07:45] <bhna> is http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/ down?
[07:45] <pawalls> Hey guys, I upgraded to breezy badger, and when I try to install evolution-data-server, I get an error claiming that "libcamel1.2-3" is depended on, but won't be installed.
[07:45] <nksen> lo. normally ubuntu's X should be ready-configured for all systems, shouldn't it?
[07:45] <danko123456> breezy badger?
[07:45] <danko123456> haha, thats a first
[07:45] <pawalls> I manually installed said libcamel package and tried to install evolution-data-server again, but I get the same error.
[07:45] <danko123456> awesome.
[07:45] <nksen> does it come with xfree or s.org?
[07:45] <nksen> x.org
[07:46] <pawalls> Anyone have any idea how to resolve this problem?
[07:46] <danko123456> thr1ce: so you are saying /etc/mozilla-firefox/profile/extensions dont have them?
[07:46] <Burgundavia> pawalls, this in breezy?
[07:46] <pawalls> Burgundavia, Yes.
[07:47] <dbalster> pawalls: manually install == configure ; make ; make install  or dpkg ?
[07:47] <thr1ce> danko123456, I deleted the entire profile dir from /etc/mozilla-firefox, and everything still loaded with my bookmarks, extensions, etc.
[07:47] <danko123456> nice.
[07:47] <thr1ce> no, it's not
[07:47] <pawalls> dbalster, That somewhat defeats the purpose of using a package management system.
[07:47] <danko123456> iguess, if you really need to use mozilla-firefox right now:)
[07:47] <pawalls> I need a way to resolve this silly dependency conflict.
[07:48] <Raskall> I simply love FreeNX. Then I get to work on my own profile on an ubuntu server when my wife occupies my computer with watching Lost episodes.
[07:48] <dbalster> thrlce: sure you are working as the same user?
[07:48] <pawalls> evolution-data-server: Depends: libcamel1.2-3 (>= 1.2.2)
[07:48] <Saiqa> germans here? pls qery to me
[07:48] <pawalls> Setting up libcamel1.2-3 (1.2.2-1ubuntu1) ...
[07:48] <pawalls> Unelss by some magic, 1.2.2-1ubuntu1 is < 1.2.2
[07:48] <dbalster> pawalls: have you trieds to apt-get install libcamel=1.2-3
[07:49] <nydust> Why doesnt synaptic install the apache2.conf file?
[07:49] <pawalls> dbalster, Yes, view what I pasted above.
[07:49] <nydust> its missing, thats why my apache is not working
[07:49] <pawalls> pawalls:/var/lib/dpkg# apt-cache show libcamel1.2-3 | grep "Version: "
[07:49] <pawalls> Version: 1.2.2-1ubuntu1
[07:50] <Raskall> nydust: where are you looking for it? apache2.conf got finely installed in /etc/apache2
[07:50] <pawalls> pawalls:/var/lib/dpkg# apt-get install evolution-data-server | grep Depends
[07:50] <pawalls>   evolution-data-server: Depends: libcamel1.2-3 (>= 1.2.2) but it is not going to be installed
[07:50] <danko123456> yeah, should be there.
[07:50] <dbalster> pawalls: try to rebuild it from source to check if the package is missing or if it's a fault of the package maintainer.
[07:50] <nydust> Raskall, i was looking in /ect/apache2
[07:50] <pawalls> something about that doesn't make sense.
[07:50] <nydust> Raskall, but its not there
[07:51] <nydust> Raskall, when i do a /usr/sbin/apache2 restart it says it dont find the file
[07:51] <pawalls> dbalster, It's obviously the package maintainer's fault.. There is some impossible dependency here.
[07:51] <pawalls> dbalster, libcamel1.2-3 installed fine with all headers and shared objects.
[07:51] <nubbe> How come that nautilus thinks that ALL .WMVs are actually .ASFs?
[07:51] <dbalster> pawalls: apt-get -b source.deb , then edit source/debian/control and *hack* the dependency
[07:51] <pawalls> pawalls:/var/lib/dpkg# dpkg -L libcamel1.2-3 | wc -l
[07:51] <pawalls> 42
[07:52] <pawalls> Ah.. okay
[07:52] <leafw> Hi. Anyone using powerpc and aiport (not extreme) and got the wireless working with encryption ?
[07:53] <pawalls> dbalster, I'll give that a shot..
[07:53] <Raskall> nydust: try "sudo apt-get remove --purge apache2" and then "sudo apt-get install apache2" from the command line.
[07:53] <spo0nman> has anyone gotten wireless working on the HP compaq nc6000?
[07:53] <holycow> http://www.heise.de/english/newsticker/news/58780  <-- holy shit
[07:54] <nydust> Raskall, hope it works!!!
[07:54] <Raskall> nydust: good luck. the first command removes apache2 completely and the second reinstalls it.
[07:54] <Raskall> spo0nman: I tried one briefly a long time ago and think I got it to work with ndiswrapper.
[07:55] <\sh> spo0nman: i don't have a wireless card in my nc6000
[07:55] <spo0nman> Raskall, hmm.. whats a ndiswrapper doc?
[07:55] <\sh> spo0nman: but did u get irda running?
[07:55] <chopper> what is a superuser? how can i make mine like that?
[07:56] <spo0nman> \sh, some come with one... do you have a button between the lock and the slidshow icon? hit it? and see in dmesg
[07:56] <Raskall> spo0nman: its a linux module that uses the winxp-drivers to use wireless nets. ndiswrapper module is there by default from kernel 2.6.10-5.
[07:56] <spo0nman> \sh, nah! havent found a use for it yet.
[07:56] <nydust> Raskall, now i have the apache2.conf but still not working
[07:56] <spo0nman> Raskall, and the driver? i need to copy it out of XP?
[07:56] <zAo^> chopper: a superuser is root. Use SUDO as command
[07:56] <Raskall> spo0nman: yes.
[07:57] <\sh> spo0nman: syncing the cell ;)
[07:57] <spo0nman> Raskall, hmm ... no XP
[07:57] <Raskall> nydust: have you started it from /etc/init.d?
[07:57] <nydust> Raskall, yes
[07:57] <chopper> zAo^, when i try to dpkg a .deb file i have to be a superuser, but when i go as root, i have an error
[07:57] <spo0nman> \sh, no irda cell :D
[07:57] <Raskall> nydust: should work.
[07:57] <tritium> chopper, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[07:58] <Markrian> chopper, what's the command you're using
[07:58] <IceEyz> Anyone else knows how to get rid of the default emblems for symbolic links and mounted devices?
[07:58] <chopper> i made it work, thanx all of u
[07:58] <Raskall> spo0nman: I think you may use unzip to retrieve some drivers. Just try running unzip on the .exe install file. Download the driver from hp website.
[07:58] <nydust> Raskall, i will try to take an remove --purge on everything with apache2
[07:59] <b0ol> name of a good cd writing programm?
[07:59] <b0ol> pls
[07:59] <zAo^> chopper: what error?
[07:59] <Raskall> nydust: sounds like a good idea.
[07:59] <spo0nman> Raskall, hmm i'll try
[07:59] <pawalls> dbalster, Hmm.. it doesn't specifically say a version of libcamel1.2-3 to depend on.
[07:59] <zAo^> nm
[07:59] <pawalls> dbalster, Where is it getting the >= 1.2.2 from?
[07:59] <nickrud> b0ol, graveman, gnomebaker, and nautilus
[07:59] <Raskall> nydust: do a "dpkg -l |grep apache2"  to see all  your apache2 related installed packages
[08:00] <Matyy> Hi, can someone help me with my little KDE problem: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=28179
[08:00] <pawalls> dbalster, Hmm.. it looks like it's using @VER@ (the version of evolution-data-server to base it's dependency on libcamel1.2-3
[08:00] <b0ol> nautilus?
[08:00] <pawalls> dbalster, And I have the right version of libcamel1.2-3 installed..
[08:00] <pawalls> This is silly..
[08:00] <Raskall> nydust: but I guess you will have to open apache2.conf and do some initial config. The comments should tell you what you need to change.
[08:00] <nubbe> b0ol, nautilus is barebones but has worked really good for me
[08:00] <dbalster> hmm.. checking...
[08:01] <thr1ce> noone knows where firefox extensions are stored in ubuntu
[08:01] <pawalls> Anyone else here using Breezy?
[08:01] <thr1ce> i am
[08:01] <pawalls> thr1ce, Any issues with evolution?
[08:01] <nickrud> b0ol, right click on an iso to burn it, or enter burn: in the location bar and drag n drop. It doesn't do audio, though.
[08:01] <Raskall> pawalls: are you? is it ok to use? I have started a dist-upgrade 2-3 times, but have chickend out and abortedit.
[08:01] <XplOzIon> hi all
[08:02] <zAo^> lo
[08:02] <nydust> Raskall, finnaly its working
[08:02] <Raskall> nydust: :) good.
[08:02] <nydust> Raskall, you are my hero
[08:02] <pawalls> Raskall, Besides this issue with evolution, it's been fine.. not really many updates at the moment so it might not be worth it.
[08:02] <Raskall> nydust: *blush*
[08:02] <de_DustyCiti> Hi~ I'm currently running Ubuntu Live and have install CD img on hd. Could someone point me a way to install ubuntu without mking another CD?
[08:02] <thr1ce> pawalls, no, don't use it
[08:02] <pawalls> Raskall, Most of the stuff I've seen upgraded is little things like ntp and other little libraries.
[08:02] <pawalls> thr1ce, Do you have it installed?
[08:03] <Raskall> pawalls: I was told it would be quite rough 2-3 weeks. I am in the process of starting my own business, so I need a working workstation. :)
[08:03] <thr1ce> pawalls, yes
[08:03] <chopper> anyone tried the game "cube"?
[08:03] <thr1ce> wait, no; it removed itself
[08:03] <zAo^> no but it looks nice :)
[08:03] <pawalls> thr1ce, Yeah.. that's what happened to me.
[08:03] <nickrud> b0ol, to be more clear, drag & drop to create a data cd
[08:03] <pawalls> thr1ce, Then I couldnt' reinstall.
[08:03] <thr1ce> pawalls, use thunderbird
[08:04] <pawalls> thr1ce, Yeah.. that's all fine and dandy except I have about 50 filters set up in evolution.
[08:04] <pawalls> thr1ce, At work.
[08:04] <pawalls> Can Thunderbird import evolution filters?
[08:04] <thr1ce> not sure; try it out
[08:05] <Raskall> I started to hate evolution from version 2. Not sure why, but it was something that just wasnt right. So I switched to thunderburd. Miss palm syncing of my adress book, but that I can do to evolution, export to cvs and import to thunderbird.
[08:05] <Raskall> export to csv, even.
[08:05] <de_DustyCiti> Hi~ I'm currently running Ubuntu Live and have install CD img on hd. Could someone point me a way to install ubuntu from these things I have?
[08:06] <Burgundavia> de_DustyCiti, burn the install and run that
[08:06] <hypno> de_DustyCiti use gnome-baker to burn the iso to cd
[08:06] <Rocha> Hello
[08:06] <spo0nman> de_DustyCiti, you need the install disk to install from.
[08:06] <Rocha> How can I use two monitors?
[08:07] <weazle> -
[08:07] <Rocha> Is there an easy way to configure this?
[08:07] <de_DustyCiti> Thanks guys but the problem is that I don't have a cd recorder.
[08:07] <chopper> any1 knows if "cube" the game, works on amd64?
[08:07] <de_DustyCiti> Is it possible to install from hd (like I did with FC3)?
[08:07] <hypno> Rocha yes, see http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24774&goto=nextnewest
[08:07] <hypno> Rocha erk that url's wrong
[08:08] <geoffrian> Howdy pilgrims
[08:08] <lenovo> de_DustyCiti: Yes.
[08:08] <Rocha> hypno, that's not about two monitors :/
[08:10] <spo0nman> Rocha, you have two display cards in the box?
[08:10] <Rocha> spo0nman, no, just one card with a dvi and vga connectors
[08:10] <hypno> Rocha http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=4185 is more useful
[08:10] <spo0nman> Rocha, which one?
[08:10] <Rocha> geforce mx 400 I think
[08:11] <Rocha> main monitor uses vga, secondary uses dvi
[08:11] <spo0nman> Rocha, http://www.matrox.com/mga/multidisplay/cat_linux_user.cfm
[08:12] <Rocha> spo0nman, i'm not using a matrox
[08:13] <hypno> Rocha are you sure it's a real dual head card?
[08:13] <Rocha> yup, i'll try that thread you gave me
[08:13] <spo0nman> Rocha, whats MX supossed to be then?
[08:13] <Rocha> spo0nman, i don't know
[08:13] <spo0nman> Rocha, i guess matrox is the only one to support it yet.
[08:14] <Rocha> ok, i'll try it anyway
[08:15] <b0ol> thnx nickrud
[08:16] <nickrud> Rocha, the Device section of /etc/X11/xorg.conf should tell you what driver and card you have, It should point you in the right direction
[08:16] <nickrud> b0ol, np
[08:19] <seeker> I need help with skype. when I open skype all I get is a "click here to log in" line. when I try to log in it immidiatlly fails (without trying to connect). but the funny thing is I AM connected - other people see me as connected and can talk to me. any idea what I can do about this?
[08:20] <zane> is there an antivirus software for linux that is free?
[08:20] <Rocha> hypno, I'll try restarting X now
[08:20] <hypno> shrug
[08:21] <nickrud> nickrud hopes Rocha don't see smoke
[08:21] <mfinch> Are there any graphical disk mounting tools for Ubuntu?  Something that would "scan for drives/partitions" and let me mount them without fstab entries.
[08:22] <Choubaka> zane: clamav & co?
[08:23] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx>  antivirus software for linux  any reson why you need it ? you runa mail server / ftp ?
[08:24] <vdo> hi
[08:24] <goldfish> hey vd
[08:24] <goldfish> o
[08:24] <vdo> is ubuntu translated into catalam
[08:24] <vdo> ?
[08:25] <seeker> just out of curiousity what is catalam?
[08:25] <vdo> anyone knows?
[08:25] <stianh> hey people
[08:25] <vdo> a language
[08:25] <vdo> ...
[08:25] <seeker> I meant where do they speak it?
[08:25] <vdo> catalonia
[08:25] <seeker> never heard of it before ...
[08:25] <vdo> u know barcelona?
[08:25] <seeker> yes
[08:25] <vdo> barcelona is in catalonia
[08:25] <seeker> oh.
[08:25] <vdo> not in spain
[08:25] <vdo> heheh
[08:26] <djm62> :)
[08:26] <seeker> didn't know that
[08:26] <stianh> what?
[08:26] <djm62> I think gnome has l10n for it
[08:26] <stianh> barcelona is in spain
[08:26] <dov> is`n CAtalonia part of spain ?
[08:26] <vdo> yes we'r a country withot state
[08:26] <Jeezis> dov: yes
[08:26] <vdo> something like scotland
[08:26] <djm62> read Orwell...
[08:27] <vdo> hehe
[08:27] <djm62> vdo: not exactly...but scots like me have a lot of sympathy for the situation
[08:27] <Fulg> pcmcia_socket0: unsupported voltage key.
[08:27] <Jeezis> is there a way to check the temperature of my laptop in ubuntu
[08:27] <vdo> not exactly
[08:27] <stianh> hey, so, i need to change something in alot of textfiles, is there a neato command I can use?
[08:27] <seeker> Jeeves_, what temp? cpu tmp?
[08:28] <vdo> debian has a translation for
[08:28] <goldfish> Jeezis: lm-sensors
[08:28] <Jeezis> seeker: you mean me? yeah cpu temp
[08:28] <seeker> jeezis not jeeves
[08:28] <WhiteRabbit> Jeeves_, lm-sensors
[08:28] <seeker> damm nick autocomplete
[08:28] <Jeezis> i have a laptop and it feels quite warm after being on for about 4 days straight
[08:28] <seeker> there is lm sensors
[08:28] <seeker> acpi
[08:29] <\sh> any ubuntu apache2 users here?
[08:29] <Fulg> pcmcia_socket0: unsupported voltage key.
[08:29] <WhiteRabbit> Jeezis, laptops are gonna be warm
[08:29] <djm62> Jeezis: I suspect that after four days it's reached equilibrium
[08:29] <Jeezis> seeker: ok, so will lm-sensors will give me the cpu temp?
[08:30] <goldfish> yep
[08:30] <seeker> basically yes - but you will want to find a software that does it for you using lm sensors
[08:30] <seeker> using it yourself might be a bit difficult
[08:30] <djm62> xsensors?
[08:30] <seeker> just a sec
[08:30] <goldfish> gdesklets is compatible with it i think?
[08:31] <thenuke> any ideas what small httpd to use which supports php and writes an access.log
[08:31] <Jeezis> is there an app that i can grab that will give me the readout of my acpi sensor?
[08:31] <thenuke> thttpd does not support php by default, but writes access.log, thy supports php but does not log..
[08:31] <djm62> Jeezis: xsensors will do it...also gdesklets apparently
[08:31] <seeker> yes  try googling it. there should be lots of prog already out there
[08:31] <Jeezis> ok :) thanks for the help
[08:31] <WhiteRabbit> Jeezis, http://download.freshmeat.net/screenshots/29030.jpg is this what your after?
[08:32] <seeker> acpi gives you a standered link to the lm sensors
[08:32] <seeker> unfortunatly that standard link is very useful for ordinary users
[08:32] <onno> When I want to play a .wmv movie wmvdmod.dll can't find!
[08:32] <onno> how do I solve this?
[08:32] <seeker> try one of the progs recommended here or google it
[08:32] <Fulg> pcmcia_socket0: unsupported voltage key.
[08:33] <onno> sounds play's but no picture
[08:33] <seeker> *should be - isn't very useful
[08:33] <Jeezis> WhiteRabbit: yup, thanks :)
[08:33] <rdekoeijer> HI everybody
[08:33] <rdekoeijer> I (L) Ubuntu :)
[08:33] <goldfish> I <3 UBUNTU
[08:33] <goldfish> :)
[08:34] <Choubaka> :)
[08:34] <b0ol> what icq client do you prefer?
[08:34] <b0ol> i hate gaim :x
[08:34] <Jeezis> hmmm, now what if xsensors is blank
[08:34] <Jeezis> i have it running, but it doesnt have anything in the window
[08:34] <Seibol> yeah gaim sucks
[08:34] <rdekoeijer> gaim
[08:35] <Seibol> should be gaym
[08:35] <goldfish> haha
[08:35] <b0ol> yep
[08:35] <b0ol> gaym
[08:35] <b0ol> :D
[08:35] <seeker> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial&q=laptop+cpu+temp+monitoring++linux&spell=1
[08:35] <vdo> worse is kopete
[08:35] <vdo> xD
[08:35] <djm62> Seibol: gay people are generally interoperable with most software :-/
[08:35] <asynic> b0ol: what do you hate about gaim?  (I'm not protecting it, just wondering what you're looking for in a client)
[08:35] <vdo> woh
[08:35] <seeker> Jeezis,  see if there is anything there
[08:35] <Seibol> kopete sucks too
[08:35] <seeker> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial&q=laptop+cpu+temp+monitoring++linux&spell=1
[08:36] <b0ol> im looking for a trillian 2.0 pro similar client
[08:36] <rdekoeijer> what do you prefer then?
[08:36] <b0ol> i can't see the post script
[08:36] <b0ol> etc
[08:36] <Seibol> anyone running Ubuntu on a laptop
[08:36] <b0ol> trillian 2.0 on windows was perfekt for my purposes
[08:36] <asynic> b0ol: uh, yeah... be more specific.  I've never used trillian pro.
[08:36] <b0ol> k sry
[08:36] <zAo^> b0ol: use kopete
[08:36] <cens0red> hmmm
[08:36] <djm62> Seibol: I am
[08:36] <rdekoeijer> but on linux?
[08:36] <cens0red> Resolving us.archive.ubuntu.com... 216.165.129.138 Connecting to us.archive.ubuntu.com[216.165.129.138] :80... connected. HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found
[08:36] <vdo> kopete sux
[08:36] <b0ol> in trillian you could see what you ever typed before to a client
[08:36] <b0ol> hm...
[08:37] <tpm> Seibol: Latitude D600
[08:37] <Seibol> djm62: what kind of success have you had with power managment features?
[08:37] <vdo> and is 4 kubuntu x)
[08:37] <b0ol> you could individually manage your contacts
[08:37] <b0ol> etc
[08:37] <b0ol> :)
[08:37] <b0ol> what about licq?
[08:37] <b0ol> is it goot?
[08:37] <rdekoeijer> is trillian for linux?
[08:37] <b0ol> good
[08:37] <djm62> Seibol: hp-compaq laptops seem to be linux friendly...suspend to ram, suspend to disk, battery management
[08:37] <b0ol> no trillian = windows
[08:37] <oneifreak> b0ol: you can get history in gaim, etc..
[08:37] <rdekoeijer> what do you prefer on linux then?
[08:37] <rdekoeijer> on gnome
[08:37] <b0ol> but gaym simply suxx :) i hate it sry :)
[08:37] <Jeezis> seeker: how would i do that?
[08:37] <b0ol> rdekoeijer that's what im asking for
[08:37] <zAo^> kopete...
[08:37] <seeker> err. do what?
[08:37] <asynic> b0ol: [12:36:51]  b0ol: in trillian you could see what you ever typed before to a client  <-- what does this mean?
[08:37] <rdekoeijer> oke srr
[08:37] <Seibol> the only friggin feature I want is for the computer to suspend to Ram when I close the LCD
[08:38] <Jeezis> seeker: i have xsensors running, but its window isnt showing anything
[08:38] <Seibol> I have a IBM Thinkpad T20 on the way, hope I can get it working
[08:38] <asynic> Seibol: ubuntu runs fab on my t23
[08:38] <djm62> Seibol: hmmm...I don't have that enabled, but then I didn't want it: have you googled?
[08:38] <Seibol> I have a sager with it installed now, and it won't shut down
[08:38] <Seibol> not getting much
[08:38] <seeker> never used xsensors. try one of the other programs maybe?
[08:38] <Seibol> what is the difference between suspend to ram and suspend to disk?
[08:38] <b0ol> asynic :
[08:38] <Seibol> except the obvious
[08:38] <b0ol> if you chatted to a friend last day
[08:39] <seeker> I use the direct approacg, but you don't want to do that (trust me you don't)
[08:39] <b0ol> and you open the window TODAY
[08:39] <b0ol> you can see what you typed last day
[08:39] <b0ol> :)
[08:39] <Jeezis> seeker: any other suggestions for programs?
[08:39] <asynic> b0ol: oh - that's cool.  How many lines of history do you get?
[08:39] <rdekoeijer> what about amsn?
[08:39] <b0ol> you can set
[08:39] <b0ol> i had 500 kb
[08:39] <b0ol> ):
[08:39] <b0ol> :)
[08:39] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> anyone used lm_sensors ?
[08:39] <b0ol> thats muuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuch
[08:39] <b0ol> <--
[08:39] <b0ol> JuNkPhreak|UnIx  me
[08:39] <seeker> Jeezis, like I said. I don't use any programs I go direct. but you don't want to do that unless you have to! (I have to :(    )
[08:40] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> in ubuntu
[08:40] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> ?
[08:40] <asynic> b0ol: psi does something like that.... but it's a jabber client.  You can use ICQ through jabber.
[08:40] <darkaudit> JuNkPhreak|UnIx: using it now... pity the gdesklets for lm_sensors are so old :(
[08:40] <b0ol> :/
[08:40] <Jeezis> seeker: ah, i see
[08:40] <b0ol> hm...
[08:40] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> i use the cli
[08:40] <b0ol> but that's not the only thing i want
[08:40] <seeker> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial&q=laptop+cpu+temp+monitoring++linux&spell=1
[08:40] <b0ol> i'd like tirllian 2.0pro for linux best :>
[08:40] <seeker> Jeezis, maybe something from that link?
[08:40] <djm62> b0ol: I have that on gaim...it's worth spending time configuring it: there are many options
[08:40] <seeker> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial&q=laptop+cpu+temp+monitoring++linux&spell=1
[08:40] <b0ol> :/
[08:40] <b0ol> where?
[08:40] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> pipe it to sysinfo.pl
[08:40] <asynic> b0ol:  bet you could run trillian with wine
[08:40] <Jeezis> seeker: i shall check, thanks for the help :)
[08:41] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> why use trillian ?
[08:41] <djm62> b0ol: Tools->Preferences
[08:41] <b0ol> i think so too but im new to linux and i don't even know how wine works :/
[08:41] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> gaim , kopete  etc...
[08:41] <|QuaD-> b0ol: don't use wine
[08:42] <Burgundavia> b0ol, what program do you need?
[08:42] <b0ol> trillian :>
[08:42] <tsume_> no
[08:42] <asynic> b0ol: everyone who uses linux has to give something up if they come from windows. Usually the benifits totally outweigh the cons.
[08:42] <Burgundavia> b0ol, hmm, gaim?
[08:42] <tsume_> use gaim
[08:42] <rdekoeijer> gaim is good
[08:42] <b0ol> i know
[08:42] <|QuaD-> gaim is good
[08:42] <tsume_> gaim is the best ;)
[08:42] <b0ol> i use gaim and i don't like it
[08:42] <Burgundavia> b0ol, use native linux apps, you will thank yourself in the end
[08:42] <|QuaD-> b0ol: why?
[08:42] <Burgundavia> try gossip
[08:42] <tsume_> Burgundavia: you could.. roll your own ;)
[08:43] <goldfish> LOL
[08:43] <asynic> gossip is horrible.
[08:43] <Burgundavia> tsume_, gah
[08:43] <goldfish> make one :)
[08:43] <b0ol> trillian > * > gaim
[08:43] <tsume_> oops
[08:43] <b0ol> i just loved trillian
[08:43] <tsume_> Burgundavia: sorry :)
[08:43] <b0ol> you could individualise it very good!
[08:43] <tsume_> b0ol: you could.. roll your own ;)
[08:43] <goldfish> b0ol: you could try running trillian in wine.
[08:43] <nakata> kopete works for me
[08:43] <b0ol> hm.........
[08:43] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> kopete works well
[08:43] <|QuaD-> b0ol: i like trillian too, but any feature that will work on trillian through wine is available with gaim
[08:43] <tsume_> except the fact that Qt is bloated
[08:43] <server> ya, and gaim is way better, too
[08:44] <b0ol> no i searched all options
[08:44] <server> you can script for it
[08:44] <b0ol> and i didn't find it
[08:44] <server> shit..countless bens
[08:44] <server> why is my nick server...
[08:44] <server> bah!
[08:44] <tsume_> server: `rm -rf /` :P
[08:44] <neighborlee> i've just ( to be sure) replaces my sources.list with one from ubuntuguide website but i'm still getting no hits from a search criteria of 'sun' ...yes I want to install the java runtime but it seems its been removed or changed ???
[08:44] <rempresent> alright, guys, I have a huge question
[08:44] <b0ol> as i have my ubuntu cd back i'll try licq
[08:44] <b0ol> :)
[08:44] <|QuaD-> b0ol: what do you need?
[08:45] <rempresent> this is a windows-type question
[08:45] <tritium> neighborlee, Method 2: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java
[08:45] <b0ol> rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
[08:45] <rempresent> i needed to switch becaseu I want to plya WoW
[08:45] <b0ol> damn :) i search by my self );
[08:45] <b0ol> i need cd to install licq via synaptic
[08:45] <tsume_> b0ol: no
[08:45] <tritium> neighborlee, really, backports are not advisable.  That part of ubuntuguide is not good advice.
[08:45] <|QuaD-> b0ol: what do you need gaim to do that it isn't
[08:45] <rempresent> anyway, I am getting shutdowns like no tomorrow
[08:45] <tsume_> b0ol: you can delete the cd refs from sources.list
[08:46] <tsume_> b0ol: it will then download from the server
[08:46] <rempresent> so, I was wondering how hard it is to install an ati radeon card with ubuntu
[08:46] <neighborlee> tritium, they should consider updating that then
[08:46] <b0ol> he? so i can install tools without needing the cd?
[08:46] <b0ol> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa kewl ;
[08:46] <b0ol> ;)
[08:46] <b0ol> i'll try
[08:46] <neighborlee> tritium, anyway...so this sun package is in backports ?
[08:46] <b0ol> thnx
[08:46] <tsume_> b0ol: just comment the refs out, so if you want them later...
[08:46] <neighborlee> tritium, I mean the sun package listed in the guide
[08:46] <tritium> neighborlee, it is, but I recommend Method 2 from the URL I sent you instead
[08:46] <rempresent> does anyone know how to install a ati radeon card with ubuntu
[08:47] <neighborlee> tritium, ok..I hope they update this soon ( no doubt they haven't had time)
[08:47] <tritium> rempresent, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:47] <tsume_> rempresent: throw the ati out and use nvidia ;)
[08:47] <tritium> neighborlee, it's an unofficial guide, so he provides the advice he wants to.  I doubt he'll change it
[08:47] <b0ol> tsume_
[08:47] <b0ol> how to do that ? :x
[08:47] <seeker> I have a radeon 9700 pro and it works fine
[08:47] <tsume_> b0ol: its in /etc/apt/
[08:47] <b0ol> hm.. sec
[08:47] <rempresent> okay, here is the problem.... i have an nvida card in right now, it is a nvida geforce4 440mx, will that run wow alright, or not
[08:48] <neighborlee> tritium, yeah I saw the unofficial part...trouble is if its wrong advice I dont see the stubborness to change it..;-)..I guess ill  have to get ugly
[08:48] <rempresent> do you run wow at all.
[08:48] <rempresent> ?
[08:48] <Jeezis> ah, xsensors had a segmentation fault
[08:48] <neighborlee> tritium, lol
[08:48] <Jesterace> i run wow on a nvidia FX5500
[08:48] <Jeezis> i'm trying emifreq right now
[08:48] <tritium> neighborlee, it's not wrong.  It's just that using backports makes upgrading to new resleases a pain
[08:48] <rempresent> do you use cedega...
[08:49] <neighborlee> tritium,thats not what I mean
[08:49] <Jesterace> i ran it on cedega
[08:49] <b0ol> its sources.list ? @ tsume_ ?
[08:49] <Jesterace> ran okay
[08:49] <Jesterace> but looked better in win32
[08:49] <neighborlee> tritium, search for this 'sun' java package does not find anything
[08:49] <rempresent> i don't know the nvida cards like i do the ati, is my card going to run the game alright, or not?
[08:49] <gds> hi
[08:49] <b0ol> i found it
[08:49] <b0ol> k
[08:49] <rempresent> just WoW, i have a AMD3000XP, and 1GB ram
[08:49] <Choubaka> Hmm.
[08:49] <b0ol> do i have any advantages if i decomment the other sources?
[08:50] <gds> How  can I set  fonts for gnome 1.x applications?
[08:50] <Choubaka> I wonder if it is be possible to see vesafb-tng integrated to the Ubuntu kernel sources someday.
[08:50] <seeker> b0ol, did you read the ubunbuguide?
[08:50] <mainer> neighborlee: search java or jre
[08:50] <Myrtti> hmmmmm
[08:50] <Myrtti> I google before asking
[08:51] <seeker> b0ol, http://www.ubuntuguide.org/ has most of the stuff you will need
[08:51] <b0ol> seeker  yes i did but not completely i have toooooooooooooooooo less time
[08:51] <b0ol> im just busy with my fu***** school
[08:51] <b0ol> :/
[08:51] <seeker> read    1. How to add extra repositories?
[08:51] <seeker>    2. How to backup/restore downloaded repositories cache?
[08:51] <sig> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#jre
[08:53] <onno> I want to install essential packets of mplayer. But where should I install the codecs in Ubuntu
[08:53] <neighborlee> tritium, no go.the package as named on the guide site is simply not in the repositories or its been changed
[08:53] <tritium> onno, you can install them from Marillat's repo
[08:54] <tritium> neighborlee, you're still trying to use the one from backports?
[08:54] <onno> tritium, not all
[08:54] <neighborlee> tritium, however if indeed its in backports as I believe you said...then there is problem as backports for me I think was not resolving
[08:54] <Plexys> how do i edit the menu on GNOME?
[08:54] <zAo^> onno: comment Marillats repo in /etc/apt/source.lst
[08:54] <sig> Plexys: ubuntuguide.org once again
[08:54] <onno> because when I want to play wma it complains about a dll not found
[08:54] <Choubaka> Hmm.
[08:54] <seeker> Plexys, as far as I know you can't
[08:54] <sig> Plexys: http://ubuntuguide.org/#menu-editor
[08:55] <tritium> neighborlee, it's in backports hoary-extra I believe.  As I said, though, it's not advisable anyway
[08:55] <Choubaka> I wonder how complete the Finnish translation of Ubuntu is.
[08:55] <zAo^> onno http://www.ubuntuguide.org/
[08:55] <sig> seeker: once again.... ubuntuguide.org
[08:55] <seeker> sorry - I meant can't manually
[08:55] <gds> How do I set fonts in applications linked to gtk 1.x?
[08:55] <tritium> sig, ubuntuguide is not always good advice (e.g. jre)
[08:55] <onno> I got marlat repo , but these arn't there
[08:55] <seeker> you can use the menu edditor tool though
[08:55] <Plexys> i found this but i'm afraid i'll be installing rubbish: http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=867
[08:55] <seeker> it's under application->system tools
[08:55] <sig> tritium: sure is, works flawlessly for me
[08:55] <bretzel> trying to compile E17 and got  this error at the link statge: ../../src/lib/.libs/libevas.so: undefined reference to `XF86VidModeQueryVersion' that means, headers are there but no libs, or developer's error...
[08:55] <sig> jre works nicely
[08:55] <AcidWolf> i backed up some of my files that i had on Os X before i installed ubuntu on my powerbook but i cant seem to get ubuntu to read my backups
[08:55] <AcidWolf> any ideas
[08:55] <tritium> sig, yes, but using backports is not advisable
[08:56] <b2s> sig, try not to sound so unhappy when answering questions.  I mean, if you don't want to answer questions, stay out of the ubuntu help chat eh?
[08:56] <sig> who says you have to use backports
[08:56] <sig> I'm not
[08:56] <ompaul> AcidWolf, emm what format are the backups in?
[08:56] <tritium> sig, jre as listed on ubuntuguide comes from a backports repo
[08:56] <AcidWolf> thats the thing i cant even view the files on the disk
[08:56] <sig> b2s: well use your brain and search the net first, ubuntuguide.org has most answers that are asked inhere
[08:56] <ompaul> AcidWolf, what extention have they got?
[08:56] <slappy17> LOL
[08:57] <sig> tritium: well, I did a dist-upgrade
[08:57] <tritium> sig, please don't insult people.  Remember the Code of Conduct
[08:57] <slappy17> half the time , these questions can be anwsered by docs..no, all the timre, really
[08:57] <sig> tritium: I'm not insulting anyone
[08:57] <AcidWolf> i know what you mean ompaul but what im saying is i dont even get that far
[08:57] <AcidWolf> i cant access the cd
[08:57] <b2s> sig: this is a help channel.  it is reasonable to ask questions, including those found on ubuntu guide.  it isn't an official guide or anything you know
[08:57] <i3dmaster> anyone knows how to get a better compress ratio when making cloop filesystem?
[08:57] <tritium> sig, see your last comment to b2s
[08:57] <ompaul> AcidWolf, that reads like ooch
[08:57] <sig> b2s: yeah your point?
[08:58] <slappy17> LOL...
[08:58] <zAo^> i3dmaster: tried google?
[08:58] <ompaul> AcidWolf, did you check them before you installed the happiest operating system of them all?
[08:58] <AcidWolf> oh ok
[08:58] <slappy17> hey sig..do you have better things to do then help people for free? just curious..
[08:58] <tritium> sig, where does apt-cache policy sun-j2re1.5 tell you it's from?
[08:58] <Matyy> I created a new user that I want to have sudo right, I added him to the sudo group, but that doesn't work - what do I have to do?
[08:58] <sig> sladen: no
[08:58] <sig> :P
[08:58] <i3dmaster> zAo^: yeap.
[08:58] <AcidWolf> ompaul yes i accessed them through Osx and they worked
[08:59] <neighborlee> sig, no offense or anything as i'm a neighborly kinda of guy and all but..your comment 'use your brain' could easily be recognised as being confrontational....
[08:59] <i3dmaster> zAo^: actually I am not quite understand why most of compress cloop is using blocksize 65536
[08:59] <ompaul> AcidWolf, okay so (A) reinstall os/x and create tarballs / gz archives - and ignore any local "i can back up your data for you" type offers
[08:59] <sig> neighborlee: oh well, if you can't read then you can't help yourself
[09:00] <AcidWolf> im not blowing away an entire system
[09:00] <AcidWolf> O_o
[09:00] <ompaul> AcidWolf, okay so (B) find someone with os/x and get them out onto a drive and off like I suggest
[09:00] <AcidWolf> ok that sounds like a better idea
[09:00] <neighborlee> sig, ic no reason to continue in that line of conversation...'we here' at #ubuntu 'help' people...regardless whether we think they are smart or not we help them..its the 'official' ubuntu way...
[09:00] <ompaul> AcidWolf, well both are reasonable but will cost some amount of time
[09:01] <AcidWolf> or i could get a Mac emulator
[09:01] <ompaul> AcidWolf, there is that
[09:01] <AcidWolf> aha
[09:01] <sig> neighborlee: I did help if you would look up to each answer, I pointed them to where the exact answer could be found. No reason on answering it here and taking up space when they can view it in easy format on that site.
[09:01] <ompaul> AcidWolf, but tbh will it do the same file format?
[09:01] <sig> I've helped lots of people help themselves
[09:01] <gds> Anybody tried Openoffice 2.0? Is it stable, isn't it?
[09:02] <ompaul> AcidWolf, now you have learnt the badness of closed formats grasshopper :)
[09:02] <AcidWolf> yes indeedy
[09:02] <zAo^> gds; here it is
[09:02] <tritium> gds, tried it, but had some problems (word docs with tables, for example)
[09:02] <ompaul> gds it was run for two days as a pinned application on a 64bit machine and it was okay
[09:03] <meowzoer> hi my X isnt booting right, can you guys help me? ive tried the starter guide and the forum and cant find anything
[09:03] <neighborlee> meowzoer, what do you mean its not booting right
[09:03] <goldfish> meowzoer: Is it starting at all?
[09:03] <gds> ok, I'll try it
[09:03] <meowzoer> i get 'server is already active for display 0' when i type startx
[09:03] <goldfish> hmm
[09:04] <goldfish> you could do a 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'
[09:04] <sig> meowzoer: you need to point it at your wm
[09:04] <tritium> meowzoer, gdm is probably running
[09:04] <sig> like gnome or kde
[09:04] <gds> tritium, in openoffice 1.x have you got the same problem with tables?
[09:04] <meowzoer> tritium so i should do a killall on gdm?
[09:04] <tritium> gds, no
[09:04] <zAo^> sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[09:04] <tritium> meowzoer, as zAo^ suggests
[09:04] <thundrcleeze> If I wanted to reinstall everything and keep all the installed packages I would in synaptic go to file save markings, then click on save full state, right?
[09:04] <Plexys> how do i use menu-editor to remove items from the menu? when i press delete it doesn't do it
[09:04] <gds> ok tritium
[09:05] <neighborlee> meowzoer, it sounds like it tried to start gnome but failed..so yes startx would say that I"d imagine
[09:05] <meowzoer> oh, that work
[09:05] <meowzoer> but
[09:05] <neighborlee> Plexys, i think that is bug  with editor..might also depend on which editor your using
[09:05] <meowzoer> now my screen turns itself off
[09:05] <Plexys> neighborlee, i'm using the one from the ubuntuguide
[09:05] <neighborlee> Plexys, if  the one in guide then its prob. just a current bug
[09:05] <tritium> meowzoer, can you inspect /var/log/Xorg.0.log for error messages?
[09:05] <zAo^> meowzoer: right sync?
[09:05] <neighborlee> Plexys, ie: I do remember hearing about deletion issues
[09:06] <Plexys> neighboorlee: ok, is there any 'good' version of a menu editor then?
[09:06] <meowzoer> zAo^ ive never confed the screen so maybe
[09:06] <meowzoer> how do you change the sync?
[09:06] <neighborlee> Plexys, i'd reccommend browsing through the menu editor forum as means to verify this being fixed
[09:06] <dantheman> i'm working in windows right now, and it won't let me format my external drive as anything but NTFS...i want FAT32 so i can share it with ubuntu
[09:06] <zAo^> meowzoer: what screen are you on?
[09:06] <neighborlee> Plexys, well ..I had to reinstall ( had bad ugrade with RC) so i've not yet tried it sorry..
[09:06] <dantheman> or is there some way i can format it in ubuntu to be shareable with windows?
[09:07] <goldfish> hey guys, i'm having trouble, i install a .wma plugin for xmms, and now i have sound trouble, i'm using xfce and i have a volume applet thing but i cant use it, and when i run alsamixer, it exits when i press a key, i have since unistalled the plugin, but the problem is still there :/
[09:07] <Plexys> neighboorlee: ok, thank you for your help
[09:07] <goldfish> Any ideas?
[09:07] <neighborlee> Plexys, np..and good luck with that
[09:07] <meowzoer> zAo^ do you mean the brand or whitch F1 F2 etc?
[09:07] <chicken_man> take a look at my C++ guide http://chickenman.zapto.org/apache2-default/pro/cpp.php
[09:07] <zAo^> meowzoer: brand + type
[09:07] <Doom-Hammer> how do install .deb packages I've downloaded?
[09:07] <dantheman> dpkg -i package.deb
[09:08] <Doom-Hammer> thanks, dantheman
[09:08] <goldfish> dantheman: If it is ntfs, you can read it from linux, but not write to it.
[09:08] <dantheman> well, i really need to write to it
[09:08] <goldfish> ah right
[09:08] <neighborlee> yeah i ts a shame firefox can't handle .deb like it does in fedora for rpm
[09:08] <neighborlee> that would be a nice feature ;-)
[09:08] <thundrcleeze> If I wanted to reinstall everything and keep all the installed packages I would in synaptic go to file save markings, then click on save full state, right?  Also, is there an apt command that will do the same?
[09:08] <meowzoer> zAo^ its an old packard bell, CRt
[09:08] <meowzoer> CRT
[09:09] <gds> How can I install captive on ubuntu?
[09:09] <zAo^> you know its vsync and hsync?
[09:09] <meowzoer> no
[09:09] <zAo^> hmm
[09:09] <zAo^> type?
[09:09] <dantheman> so does anybody know how i can get the drive formatted so i can write from both windows xp and linux?
[09:09] <ompaul> gds, what is captive?
[09:09] <meowzoer> its an CRT if you mean that
[09:09] <thundrcleeze> If it's ntfs, you probably don't want that, dan.
[09:09] <zAo^> dantheman: sudo cfdisk /dev/hdX
[09:10] <Doom-Hammer> what do I do if a package has "no installation cantidate"? can I download a .deb for it?
[09:10] <dantheman> well, i've moved everything off of it, so that i could reformat it to something that would work
[09:10] <Doom-Hammer> this application I need requires libsocksd, but I can't apt-get install it, since it "has no installation cantidate"
[09:10] <zAo^> dantheman: mkfs.ext3 /dev/hdX
[09:11] <Doom-Hammer> oh, there's a "download" button right there on the ubuntu package page... duh :P
[09:11] <meowzoer> zAo^ its an crt, if that was what you meant
[09:11] <dantheman> will windows xp still be able to read and write to and from the drive if i do that?
[09:11] <gds> ompaul, I mean captive-ntfs
[09:11] <jkka> dantheman: you nee dto format it as a FAT
[09:11] <chicken_man> Learn C++ quick and easy with my C++ guide part 1 is out NOW downloaded from http://chickenman.zapto.org/apache2-default/pro/cpp.php
[09:11] <zAo^> meowzoer: no. I want every information to search for its vsync/hsync :)
[09:12] <thundrcleeze> chicken_man, how is that relevant?
[09:12] <dantheman> well, i'm in windows, and when i click format, the only option it gives me is NTFS
[09:12] <meowzoer> oh, wait a sec then :)
[09:12] <thundrcleeze> Don't use windows.
[09:12] <nubbe> How do I get soundjuicer to use lame?
[09:12] <Doom-Hammer> dantheman: use another partitioning tool, like the one that comes with Maxtor drive, or Partition Magic
[09:12] <jkka> dantheman: you can format it in linux
[09:12] <dantheman> alright...lemme reboot into ubuntu
[09:12] <zAo^> dantheman: in Win32: go to the sysadmin >> volumes >> format as fat32
[09:12] <chicken_man> thundrcleeze, well some people mite want to learn C++
[09:12] <ompaul> gds ohh, I have no idea what captive-ntfs is - I can talk for hours about ext3, but I guess that is not what you want :-/
[09:13] <thundrcleeze> Yes, but are they asking for it?
[09:13] <meowzoer> zAo^ the model is; packard bell 7480
[09:13] <chicken_man> very much so :)
[09:13] <mike_> ...
[09:13] <ompaul> dantheman, I can only suggest you format it on a box that uses fat32 - XP seems to be lacking interoperability with regard to file systems
[09:13] <zAo^> meowzoer: in Holland the 'type' is the same word as the 'model' :-# sorry
[09:14] <meowzoer> zAo^ oh hehe :D
[09:14] <ompaul> jkka, does using fat mean that you only get to see 2 gig partitions at a time
[09:14] <gds> ompaul, captive-ntfs is a library, it can write and read a ntfs partition
[09:14] <ompaul> gds, ahh
[09:15] <ompaul> gds, let me have a look at at that :)
[09:15] <zAo^> meowzoer: tried to change the default resolution?
[09:15] <Plexys> sigh this menu-editor is evil. how do i reach the directory with all the applications in it that appear in the menu?
[09:15] <meowzoer> zAo^ i have no idea how to even look at the config for the resolution
[09:15] <zAo^> meowzoer: sudo vi /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:15] <gds> ompaul, it use libraries from windows (ntfs.sys e nto....exe)
[09:15] <chicken_man> my advice is to download my C++ guide at once :D
[09:16] <dantheman> alright, how do i format my external drive as FAT in linux?
[09:16] <zAo^> dantheman: sudo mkfs.vfat /dev/sdaXX
[09:16] <zAo^> dantheman: sudo mkfs.vfat /dev/sdaX that is
[09:16] <gds> zAo^, don't you know an editor more user friendly? :-)
[09:17] <zAo^> gds: sorry; I only use vi :$
[09:17] <thundrcleeze> gds, gedit is very user friendly.
[09:17] <kent> gds: nano is a good alternative,  and gedit aswell.
[09:17] <zAo^> thundrcleeze: his X is not running so... :)
[09:17] <b2s> gds: some people find nano to be relatively use friendly (not as good as gedit)
[09:17] <thundrcleeze> ah, never mind then :)
[09:17] <gds> meowzoer, sudo gedit  /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:17] <b2s> heh, so nano it is :)
[09:17] <zAo^> joe is userfriendly
[09:17] <chicken_man> mmmmm gedit :P
[09:18] <meowzoer> zAo^ its set for horiz 30-63 and vert 50-75
[09:18] <meowzoer> what should i change it to?
[09:18] <zAo^> use vi I'd say :) Learn unix/linux
[09:18] <seeker> what does it mean to make a symbolic link?
[09:18] <gds> zAo^, vi's great, but it's very difficult the first time
[09:18] <gds> :-)
[09:18] <zAo^> meowzoer: k. What is the default resolution? (eg. 1280x1024)
[09:19] <goldfish> hmmm
[09:19] <meowzoer> zAo^ 1280x1024 is first
[09:19] <zAo^> gds: I know. I only know about 20 commands, theres lot more :)
[09:19] <seeker> can someone please explain this to me:   Symbolic linking ~/.Skype to a local disk directory solve the nfs lock problem as locks in local disks depends on no services. If you move your profile back to the nfs mount, the problem may show up again.
[09:19] <ompaul> gds after looking at  http://www.jankratochvil.net/project/captive/ if I was interested in such a thing I might first try the .tar.gz version after which if it did not work I might try alien on the rpms but any/all of that may cause unusual impacts on your machine
[09:19] <goldfish> I've just noticed, alsamixer isn't working for me anymore, anyway I can fix this ?
[09:19] <zAo^> meowzoer: try to set the default to 800x600 or so
[09:19] <bhna> has anyboddy sucess with extendedPDF and openoffice?
[09:19] <djm62> seeker: what about it?
[09:20] <seeker> I don't understand what it means
[09:20] <seeker> what am I supposed to do?
[09:20] <djm62> seeker: is your $HOME on nfs?
[09:20] <zAo^> can any1 help meowzoer ?? Thanks
[09:20] <seeker> how can I tell ? (whats nfs?)
[09:21] <djm62> seeker: NFS==Network File System
[09:21] <bhna> extendedPDF http://www.jdisoftware.co.uk/pages/epdf-home.php
[09:21] <dantheman> how do i figure out which file in /dev represents my external hard drive?
[09:21] <meowzoer> zAo^ thank you but ill let it be for a while :)
[09:21] <djm62> seeker: it means you don't use your local hard disk, but one on a remote server
[09:21] <seeker> oh, I don't think so. everything is local HD
[09:21] <goldfish> dantheman: should be /dev/sda1
[09:21] <goldfish> dantheman: well thats what mine is
[09:21] <djm62> dantheman: if it's mounted, type "mount" to view all the info for mounted disks
[09:21] <bhna> any tips to extendedPDF
[09:21] <bhna> ?
[09:22] <slappy17> I HATE MY JOB!
[09:22] <djm62> seeker: in that case, I'd guess that that wasn't the solution to your problem
[09:22] <slappy17> sorry, im off topic
[09:22] <djm62> slappy17: #ubuntu-offtopic
[09:22] <slappy17> djm62asldkfja;lskdfj: no crap
[09:22] <seeker> do nfs looks only apply to network drives?
[09:22] <weazle> +
[09:23] <djm62> seeker: what is the symptom?
[09:23] <gds> ok ompaul, I'm not really interested in captive-ntfs... but I'll try it
[09:23] <seeker> http://forum.skype.com/viewtopic.php?t=24245&sid=6aae020e6ea0dd550e3ba96595fc3848
[09:23] <dantheman> okay, i just did mkfs.vfat /dev/sda1
[09:23] <dantheman> and it took like half a second
[09:23] <seeker> I have the same problem
[09:23] <seeker> my skype wount log on
[09:23] <dantheman> did it actually format the drive?
[09:23] <ompaul> gds, if it breaks things in new and interesting ways it will be yours to fix :)
[09:23] <seeker> even though it's IS on line (others see me online , but I can't log on)
[09:24] <ompaul> seeker, now and again it demands you username and password
[09:24] <djm62> seeker: ah...
[09:24] <gds> eh :-)
[09:24] <seeker> it doesn't accept my user name and password, it says login failed immidiatly
[09:24] <djm62> seeker: did skype crash recently?
[09:24] <seeker> without trying
[09:25] <ompaul> seeker, its login is usually very fast
[09:25] <ompaul> seeker, try killall skype first
[09:25] <seeker> but I am logged on. other people can contact me,
[09:25] <djm62> seeker: I hate to ask, but are you SURE about username/pAsSwOrd?
[09:25] <thundrcleeze> Quick question: If I wanted to reinstall everything and keep all the installed packages I would in synaptic go to file save markings, then click on save full state, right?  Also, is there an apt command that will do the same?
[09:25] <seeker> yes
[09:25] <seeker> I asked for a new one , and did copy past to make sure I had no mistakes
[09:26] <seeker> I can log on the skype site with the same name and password
[09:26] <Zugot> i have a 17GB binary file.  Does 'split' work on binary files or should i use shar?
[09:26] <slappy17> 64bit must be nice
[09:26] <seeker> ok , did killall skype
[09:26] <slappy17> Zugot: you have that amd64?
[09:26] <drspin> I reinstalled Hoary yesterday and I must say I'll never do a dist-upgrade again...
[09:26] <drspin> LOL
[09:27] <seeker> am going to try and log on
[09:27] <thundrcleeze> Why's that, drspin?
[09:27] <seeker> it worked!
[09:27] <seeker> thx djm62 !
[09:27] <djm62> you'll be wanting the download fix in a few weeks ;)
[09:27] <Zugot> slappy17: yup
[09:27] <djm62> seeker: I think that's due ompaul
[09:28] <seeker> ompaul?
[09:28] <slappy17> Zugot: splits man says 'lines' in it..i wouldnt trust it for bin
[09:28] <drspin> thundrcleeze: because I spent HOURS getting stuff to work after upgrading... upon reinstall everything just worked (except my DMA settings and few customizations) ;)
[09:28] <Zugot> slappy17: i'm still trying it right now
[09:28] <ompaul>  thundrcleeze, I find your question a little confusing - if I was you I would copy all the stuff from /var/cache/apt/archives/ to a CD then I would reconfigure all partitions the way I wanted
[09:28] <Zugot> i may have to use shar
[09:29] <Zugot> does anyone ask any linux questions anymore or is it all... how do i install my cd burner?   why doesn't hoary work?
[09:29] <ompaul> seeker, the command `killall skype` removes any previous processes with skype attached to them and allows you start afresh
[09:29] <slappy17> lol....well
[09:29] <slappy17> ubuntu targets newbs
[09:29] <thundrcleeze> Aren't those linux questions?
[09:29] <slappy17> might have to go over to #debian
[09:29] <thundrcleeze> :)
[09:29] <navreet> Ubuntu rox
[09:29] <seeker> why didn't rebooting solve the problem?
[09:29] <slappy17> no, they're app questions
[09:29] <heftigrat_> hey all, n e 1 know how to get rid of wine err:  "wine: cannot find 'regedit'" ?
[09:29] <slappy17> rebooting didnt solve it because it isnt win98
[09:30] <navreet> sladen, ?? I've been using linux for years
[09:30] <seeker> well, thanks for solving by problem anyway.
[09:30] <navreet> sladen, I love it...
[09:30] <djm62> seeker: maybe skype is crashing on startup...
[09:30] <Zugot> #debian is a mean awful place
[09:30] <drspin> so I installed lame -- I installed Grip -- for some reason grip tells me that it can't find lame
[09:30] <thundrcleeze> Rebooting worked for me, but I had to reboot 5 times for the fix to work.
[09:30] <slappy17> lol..ya
[09:30] <slappy17> they're jerks
[09:30] <djm62> seeker: so you reboot, and the exact same thing happens
[09:30] <Zugot> plus i'm already in 7 channels
[09:30] <slappy17> but, straight forward
[09:30] <RogueDopple> ha reboot
[09:30] <b0ol> which programm can i use for file sharing?
[09:30] <ompaul> Zugot, so be happy with how does my CD work :)
[09:30] <navreet> sladen, it's targetting people like me too [who don't have to have to edit config files [gentoo] , or have 3 year old distro [debian] )
[09:30] <RogueDopple> this is windows
[09:30] <slappy17> lol, ompaul
[09:30] <seeker>  #debian is a mean awful place   <--- lol
[09:31] <Zugot> ompaul: :P
[09:31] <navreet> slappy17, , I love it...
[09:31] <thundrcleeze> I agree, slappy, they're not newbie friendly.
[09:31] <navreet> slappy17, it's targetting people like me too [who don't have to have to edit config files [gentoo] , or have 3 year old distro [debian] )
[09:31] <pawalls> Zugot, It wasn't always.
[09:31] <Zugot> let me go lurk
[09:31] <neighborlee> has anyone heard about a ubuntu bug as relates to evolution ??
[09:31] <slappy17> i hate that release argument for deb
[09:31] <slappy17> that doesnt work on me
[09:31] <pawalls> Zugot, When I first started using Debian about 4 years ago, there were a lot of helpful people.
[09:31] <thundrcleeze> They're probably just cranky because they're running woody.
[09:31] <pawalls> Since then, the whole channel seems to be full of elitist assholes.
[09:31] <navreet> slappy17, is gdm2 in debian yet?
[09:32] <b0ol> which programm can i use for file sharing?
[09:32] <neighborlee> thundrcleeze, lol
[09:32] <djm62> slappy17: it gets credence when "non-dds should only run stable"
[09:32] <slappy17> ya, it was exciting back then..now they're older and their ass's itch..they're grumpy
[09:32] <sobersabre> evolution question.
[09:32] <navreet> slappy17, it took OVER A YEAR for kde3 to get into debian unstable...
[09:32] <ompaul> thundrcleeze, na, it is the queuing for sarge that is killing them
[09:32] <seeker> b0ol, amul?
[09:32] <djm62> b0ol: limewire is ok if you don't mind java
[09:32] <pawalls> greypanther was always a nice guy however..
[09:32] <slappy17> who cares, why is lvm and raid enabled by default and not SSHD?
[09:32] <sobersabre> how can i delete message ?
[09:32] <b0ol> JAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAVA *whine*
[09:33] <b0ol> aaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
[09:33] <navreet> and ubuntu is the first distro where [almost] everything "just worked"
[09:33] <b0ol> :/
[09:33] <b0ol> kk
[09:33] <slappy17> besides, kde is ...well..its just bloated
[09:33] <navreet> b0ol, no java here though [AMD64]  :(
[09:33] <b0ol> seeker  i'm looking for filesharing especially for mp3
[09:33] <b0ol> :)
[09:33] <slappy17> Kapp, Kwipemybutt
[09:33] <neighborlee> slappy17, heh
[09:33] <b0ol> k i search for limewire
[09:33] <sobersabre> anyone knows how to delete ( really ) messages in evolution ?
[09:33] <b0ol> can i find it in synaptic?
[09:33] <navreet> slappy17, yeah, I agree with the kde assessment now, but back when 3.0 came out, it was "t eh shit"
[09:33] <seeker> yes
[09:33] <djm62> sobersabre: really?
[09:33] <slappy17> heh
[09:33] <seeker> if not there
[09:33] <djm62> sobersabre: ctrl-D
[09:33] <neighborlee> slappy17, yeah I dont bother...kde is okay and i applaud ability to use it in ubuntu..but I just use gnome for most of those reasons yes
[09:33] <thundrcleeze> sobersabre, did you try the delete key?  That works for me.
[09:33] <seeker> than in the ubunbuguide
[09:34] <slappy17> im just moody because im stuck at my hellhole job
[09:34] <Zugot> today is nice day
[09:34] <navreet> slappy17, what do u do?
[09:34] <Markrian> sobersabre, Actions -> Expunge
[09:34] <Zugot> and i love my job
[09:34] <decaf> make-jpkg (java-package) worked for me
[09:34] <slappy17> unix admin, naturally
[09:34] <Zugot> i think i'm going to get a chair and sit in the back yard and smoke while i compute
[09:34] <slappy17> and i hate it
[09:34] <seeker> b0ol, http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#limewire
[09:34] <sobersabre> djm62, i see "500" messages in inbox (imap). i see the messages only in mutt. evolution doesn't show me them... but it counts them!
[09:34] <thundrcleeze> see?  Don't listen to me.
[09:34] <slappy17> ive been addicted to #ubuntu for several days now
[09:34] <slappy17> you guys are great
[09:35] <slappy17> its fun in here and fun to help too when you can
[09:35] <djm62> sobersabre: Actions: Empty Trash or Expunge
[09:35] <navreet> gtg, laters
[09:35] <slappy17> but zugots right, no more app crap
[09:35] <neighborlee> slappy17, helping is kewl ;-)
[09:35] <slappy17> ;)
[09:35] <seeker> its fun in here and fun to help too when you can <--- HERE HERE!
[09:35] <goldfish> sorry could someone running hoary tell me if they have a /dev/mixer ?
[09:35] <gds_> Why there's not argouml in ubuntu?
[09:35] <navreet> file bug reports people!! [They actually fix them fast!] 
[09:35] <slappy17> im selective on what i help on... :)
[09:35] <nahum> hello
[09:35] <slappy17> hi
[09:35] <sobersabre> djm62, you don't understand me. evo doesn't fetch already read messages. they are not "deleted" in mutt they're "read"
[09:35] <nahum> somebody could help me?
[09:36] <navreet> crw-rw----  1 root audio 14, 0 2005-05-12 18:04 /dev/mixer
[09:36] <decaf> goldfish: yes, I have
[09:36] <goldfish> damn
[09:36] <thundrcleeze> goldfish, me too
[09:36] <goldfish> mine has gone :)
[09:36] <nahum> I've a problem installing my webcam driver
[09:36] <sobersabre> is there a way of fetching the already read messages with evo ?
[09:36] <thundrcleeze> oh no.
[09:36] <Zugot> argouml isn't in ubuntu cuz......
[09:36] <Zugot> ...
[09:36] <goldfish> thundrcleeze: any idea what package it's in or anything?
[09:36] <Zugot> java isn't in ubuntu
[09:36] <navreet> goldfish, you can try search on packages.debian.org
[09:36] <navreet> gtg, laters
[09:36] <thundrcleeze> No idea.  I'm sure there's a way to find out.
[09:36] <goldfish> ty
[09:38] <ailleantsian> what is the root password for ubuntu?
[09:38] <seeker> there is no root in ubuntu
[09:38] <seeker> you can use sudo
[09:38] <slappy17> sudo
[09:38] <slappy17> hah
[09:38] <thundrcleeze> you have to create your won if you want one.
[09:38] <thundrcleeze> but it's suggested you use sudo
[09:38] <ompaul> ailleantsian, use sudo it just makes more sense
[09:38] <gds_> Can somebody pass me the line for debian sarge?
[09:38] <drspin> navreet
[09:38] <thundrcleeze> *own
[09:38] <seeker> it's the password for the default user you created during the installation
[09:38] <ailleantsian> i am trying ti install a wlan thing and its asking for a username and password
[09:39] <ompaul> gds_, what line?
[09:39] <drspin> navreet: you think my prob is a bug?
[09:39] <mikeco> it would appear that ide-cd doesn't like me dvd burner
[09:39] <pr3vi0uz> where do u get the enterprize distro from ubuntu?
[09:39] <gds_> ompaul, the one for sources.list
[09:39] <ompaul> ailleantsian, you type `sudo command_name+options` and in that terminal you have root for 5 minutes since you typed the last command
[09:40] <sobersabre> which package provides the library: libgtkembedmoz.so ?
[09:40] <sobersabre> i am trying to launch help in evolution... no help ...
[09:40] <seeker> if you need to do a lot of root action you can also type "sudo -s -H" (it's all in the ubuntuguide)
[09:40] <ailleantsian> thankyou
[09:40] <gds_> ompaul, deb http://ftp.it.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free
[09:40] <ompaul> gds_,  deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main deb ftp://ftp.X.debian.org/debian/ testing main where X is your nearest location
[09:41] <pr3vi0uz> out of distro i have run this is very basic and easy to understand
[09:41] <nahum> somebody with experience installing webcam drivers?
[09:41] <ompaul> gds_ that one is tainted :)
[09:41] <mikeco> isn't ide-scsi deprecated in 2.6?
[09:41] <gds_> ompaul, you're right... sarge is better
[09:41] <mikeco> ie: not good for burning?
[09:42] <seeker> I would actually like some webcam help as well....
[09:42] <ompaul> gds_ if you want I can msg you one I use on a server
[09:42] <ompaul> for woody
[09:42] <ompaul> hang on this is #ubuntu
[09:42] <gds_> ompaul,  I added "deb http://ftp.it.debian.org/debian sarge main contrib non-free"
[09:42] <seeker> I wrote my webcam manufacturer support, and they answered: " we regret to inform you that we don't support linux"
[09:43] <pr3vi0uz>  eek
[09:43] <gds_> Is it safe to add a debian repository in ubuntu (sarge)?
[09:43] <ompaul> seeker, so write to them that you regret you will be looking for another provider of web cams
[09:43] <chillywilly> doubt it
[09:43] <Abood> hey guys
[09:44] <seeker> ompaul, since they already have my cash, I don't think they will care ... :)
[09:44] <heftigrat_> n e 1 know how to get rid of wine err:  "wine: cannot find 'regedit'" ?
[09:44] <pr3vi0uz>  lol
[09:44] <ompaul> seeker, tell them that anyway
[09:44] <Abood> guys when i wan to mount a Vfat Drive, why when i reboot my  machine i must remount it again, isnt their any command to save the changes ?!
[09:44] <mikeco> put it in fstab
[09:44] <ompaul> seeker, what is it so we can all avoid it
[09:44] <pr3vi0uz>  this livecd mikeco
[09:45] <mikeco> was talking to Abood
[09:45] <seeker> genius videocam web
[09:45] <ompaul> you will have told 526 people that it does not work with linux
[09:45] <ompaul> seeker, thank you
[09:45] <ailleantsian> what does this error mean ?? root@StormDragon:/home/ailleantsian # sudo dpkg -i driverloader_2.27_i386.deb
[09:45] <ailleantsian> dpkg: error processing driverloader_2.27_i386.deb (--install):
[09:45] <ailleantsian>  cannot access archive: No such file or directory
[09:45] <seeker> the express model is supported in linux (I think) but not my model
[09:46] <Abood> mikeco, sorry dude ?!
[09:46] <ompaul> seeker, ahh some they do and some they don't
[09:46] <mikeco> Abood, add your vfat drive to fstab
[09:46] <seeker> the sad part about it, is I baught it about a week before I installed linux...
[09:46] <nubbe> is there any free linux literature available on the web?
[09:47] <seeker> nubbe, YES!
[09:47] <ompaul> nubbe, more than you can read what kind of stuff do you want?
[09:47] <nubbe> dunno  :)
[09:47] <seeker> http://www.ubuntuguide.org
[09:47] <thundrcleeze> Has anyone noticed the dictionary applet servers being down the past couple weeks?
[09:47] <seeker> the best place to start!
[09:47] <ailleantsian> sorry wrong one : Where is the linux source build directory that matches your running kernel?
[09:48] <ompaul> nubbe, http://www.tldp.org after you do the ubuntuguide
[09:48] <pr3vi0uz>  anyone wanna take a crack on why my sould  doesnt work   alsa and oss doesnt  work
[09:48] <pr3vi0uz> sound!
[09:48] <mikeco> Abood, something like /dev/hdX /mnt/win_c vfat umask=0,defaults 0 0
[09:48] <mikeco> to /etc/fstab
[09:49] <djones> nubbe, I found this stuff helpful and well written http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/articles.xml
[09:50] <Abood> mikeco, thx dude i know that command but im not sure if i edited it that it will work :S ?!!!
[09:50] <seeker> ? can you repeat that?
[09:51] <seeker> if you want to check if you eddited fstab correctly
[09:51] <pr3vi0uz> mikeco any ideas how  come im not haven any sound but there doesnt seem to be an issue with drivers'
[09:51] <seeker> use umount and then mount -a
[09:51] <nubbe> thanks for the help,     djones that looks good
[09:52] <seeker> pr3vi0uz, how many sound deviced you got?
[09:52] <Abood> seeker, but i think if i did it, it will make me reboot right ?!
[09:52] <pr3vi0uz>  just 1
[09:52] <seeker> Abood, no! that's why I said to use umount and mount -a
[09:52] <mikeco> pr3vi0uz, ?
[09:52] <Abood> aha let me check
[09:52] <pr3vi0uz> seeker Audigy soundblaster
[09:52] <seeker> you can change it as many times as you want and test it without rebooting
[09:52] <mikeco> uh, is it muted?
[09:52] <seeker> pr3vi0uz, do you have an onboard chip as well?
[09:53] <mikeco> what do you have for lspci
[09:53] <mikeco> regarding sound
[09:53] <seeker> I had an onboard (crappy) chip and (vary nice) pci sound card, and it caused some trouble
[09:53] <Abood> seeker, can i write umount -a then mount -a ?
[09:53] <seeker> no
[09:53] <Abood> coz when i write umount i must put a sub comm after it
[09:54] <seeker> you need to use umount /mnt/win_c and then mount -a
[09:54] <Abood> aha
[09:54] <seeker> mount -a tells it to reuse the fstab file
[09:54] <ari_> somebody who knows how can be detected my webcam by the system
[09:54] <seeker> umount /X/X tells it to unmount that files system
[09:54] <pr3vi0uz>  starnge this  happen  as well on  livecd  knoppix but onces i did an Hd install my sound work
[09:55] <ricardo_> hi,after configuring samba I got this error"params.c:Section() - Empty section name in configuration file.
[09:55] <ricardo_> params.c:pm_process() - Failed.  Error returned from params.c:parse().
[09:55] <ricardo_> Error loading services.
[09:55] <ricardo_> "
[09:55] <seeker> what webcam do you have? ari_
[09:55] <ricardo_> anybody can help?
[09:55] <seeker> you need to check if it's supported in linux (sadly most of them are not )
[09:56] <hypno> ricardo_ did you edit the confil file manually?
[09:56] <Abood> seeker, umount /mnt/win_c wotn work dude ?!?!
[09:56] <ari_> seeker:its a pixart
[09:56] <hypno> *config
[09:56] <ricardo_> hypno,yes
[09:56] <seeker> Abood, one sec
[09:57] <hypno> then you made a mistake, go fix it :)
[09:57] <rototom> Hello together
[09:57] <wildfire6> I am installing Hoary on a Mac and have two quick questions that are newbie questions. 1. Recommended size for the main partition - 15G? and for the swap partition - 1G?
[09:57] <seeker> just checked it, and it works for me
[09:57] <seeker> what did you write
[09:57] <rototom> I have problems installing my remote control with ubuntu
[09:57] <hypno> wildfire6 they sound ok
[09:58] <rototom> its connected to the serial-port and homebrew kompatible
[09:58] <rototom> anyone wants to help me?
[09:58] <Upayavira> wildfire6: make the swap at least the same size as your available RAM.
[09:58] <seeker> Abood, did you mount the file system? do you have access to win_c?
[09:59] <Upayavira> wildfire6: So you can use software suspend, which suspends ram into your swap partition
[09:59] <seeker> if you didn't mount it yet, you wount be able to unmount it....
[09:59] <Abood> seeker, win_c not found
[09:59] <ricardo_> hypno, I don't know how to fix it
[09:59] <seeker> where did you mount it?
[09:59] <Abood> ohhh
[09:59] <wildfire6> Thanks - Last question: I boot from the CD that I burned the image to and it's asking me for the "type" of partition, with many choices. I know it's not FAT32. which "type" of partition should the install partition and the swap be?
[09:59] <Abood> now i know what u said
[09:59] <flodine> how do i change log in screen for ubuntu?
[10:00] <Upayavira> wildfire6: ext3 should do you fine.
[10:00] <Abood> seeker, just tell me how to add line directly to the fstab without openning it, u know what i mean ?!
[10:00] <thenuke> flodine: try gdmconfig
[10:00] <hypno> ricardo_ if you can't find the problem you can do sudo dpkg -r --purge samba, then sudo apt-get install samba
[10:00] <hypno> to get back to the default config
[10:00] <Upayavira> wildfire6: sorry, for swap the type should be "swap" :-)
[10:00] <ciber_> flodine sudo gdmsetup
[10:00] <thenuke> flodine: you should find that from the menus too
[10:00] <ciber_> yep
[10:00] <seeker> you have to edit the fstab file. it's just a text file. don't change any lines just add another one
[10:01] <ciber_> flodline system > administration
[10:01] <seeker> use "sudo gedit /etc/fstab"
[10:01] <dockane> i "apt-got" thunderbird: how do get german language support for it ?
[10:01] <seeker> you need to use sudo
[10:01] <AndyR> lo all
[10:01] <ricardo_> thx
[10:01] <Upayavira> dockane: apt-get install thunderbird-i18n-de or some such?
[10:02] <rototom> dockane, apt-get install mozilla-thunderbird-locale-de
[10:02] <wildfire6> thanks all !
[10:02] <rototom> dockane, you know, there is also a channel #ubuntu-de ?
[10:02] <Abood> seeker, i know dude, but when i add line its gives me erorr "unmask=000"
[10:02] <Upayavira> I previously booted the hoary preview CD. It detected my ipw2200 wireless adapter on dell notebook, and connected to my network. Then I installed the Hoary release CD, it detected the ipw2200 adapter, but failed to connect to the network. Any ideas what has changed between versions? What might make this work?
[10:03] <seeker> you need umask=0000
[10:03] <seeker> 4 zeros
[10:03] <seeker> just a sec let me check if im right
[10:03] <seeker> yep, 4
[10:03] <Super_Cat_Frog> hi - does anybody know where my girlfriends tweezers are?
[10:03] <dockane> rototom, hm that would be too easy. have to force me to use my english, even if its only chatting ;)
[10:03] <Super_Cat_Frog> also, is anybody else having problems with hotplug?
[10:03] <Super_Cat_Frog> when i boot it stops at  Starting Hotplug Subsystem
[10:04] <hypno> Upayavira does the network interface show up in the network settings administration dialog?
[10:04] <Abood> seeker, its working on 000 i did it :)
[10:04] <seeker> cool :)
[10:04] <b0ol> can someone send me a correct sources.list file? i destroyed mine :x
[10:04] <b0ol> plsplspls :x
[10:04] <Upayavira> hypno: Yes. But I put in my WEP key, just like I did under preview live CD, and it fails to find the network.
[10:05] <hypno> ah, don't know about that
[10:05] <dockane> rototom, "locale" sure ? : Konnte Paket mozilla-thunderbird-locale-de nicht finden
[10:05] <b0ol> PLEASE :x
[10:06] <hypno> b0ol theyre in a very easy format..: deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted [universe]  [multiverse] 
[10:07] <Super_Cat_Frog> my puters broked!
[10:07] <hypno> oh noes
[10:08] <hypno> yes i know ;)
[10:08] <hypno> i should change that to gb in my file, really
[10:08] <ompaul> hypno, or ie
[10:09] <hypno> ie ?
[10:09] <ompaul> Ireland
[10:09] <hypno> oh yeah
[10:09] <djones> Has anyone had any success getting the passwords to work in a classic UNIX style?
[10:09] <hypno> they don't have the internet in ireland anyways ..
[10:10] <AndyR> do they have electric yet? :)
[10:10] <ompaul> hypno, you may think that, but there is a server here that well does more than kernel dot org every day :-)
[10:10] <Super_Cat_Frog> ompaul - heanet?
[10:10] <ompaul> Super_Cat_Frog, yes
[10:11] <heftigrat_> n e 1 know how to get rid of wine err:  "wine: cannot find 'regedit'" ?
[10:11] <nakata> ireland's internet is far more advanced than north americas
[10:11] <ompaul> Super_Cat_Frog, that is a single box - 12G ram
[10:11] <nakata> look at heanet
[10:11] <nakata> it's godly.
[10:11] <nakata> most of north america is still stuck on ipv4
[10:11] <hypno> ompaul based on our experiences of trying to get dsl in galway a year ago, you understand..
[10:11] <nubbe> bugmenot ruls
[10:12] <Nermal> yay.. on breezy now :D
[10:12] <ciber_> hehe
[10:12] <ciber_> it's cool
[10:12] <ompaul> hypno, I think of shrule and sending Damn Small Linux there so that they have at least one dsl
[10:12] <ciber_> I liked the pdf preview hack
[10:12] <ciber_> ;)
[10:13] <jhaig> Anyone using an IPod with Ubuntu?
[10:13] <hypno> erk, it's Nermal - hi
[10:14] <Nermal> bah
[10:14] <Jeezis> ok, newb question
[10:14] <jhaig> I'm just testing one.  When I plugged it in I was able to browse it and I have unmounted it, but the display still says do not disconnect.  Anyone know how to disconnect it?
[10:14] <b0ol> which number has ext3 filesystem in cfdisk?
[10:14] <Jeezis> how do i get a *.bin to run
[10:14] <deltalima> Jeezis: ./filename
[10:14] <Jeezis> every time i try to run it it just opens up in kate
[10:14] <Jeezis> ah
[10:14] <jhaig> Jeezis: You may need to make it executable
[10:15] <ompaul> inet addr:192.168.1.2  Bcast:192.168.1.255  Mask:255.255.255.0 inet6 addr: fe80::202:b3ff:fecd:be2e/64
[10:15] <deltalima> Jeezis: "chmod a+x filename" if that doesn't work
[10:15] <Super_Cat_Frog> anybody else having problems booting past hotplug? i might have upgraded to breezys version, i cant remember
[10:15] <j^3_> works for me
[10:16] <foolip> Hi. I have a computer set up to be a masquerading router. I want it to serve DNS to the computers on the local network since the external dns servers are assigned by DHCP and may be changing. What (caching,recursive?) DNS server could I use?
[10:17] <foolip> Preferably one that just looks at my resolv.conf and asks those nameservers
[10:17] <b0ol> which number has ext3 filesystem in cfdisk?
[10:17] <jhaig> foolip: I think named is the usual
[10:18] <foolip> jhaig, that package isn't available to me. Is it called "named"?
[10:19] <jhaig> I'm not sure.  The daemon that is run is called named.  Possibly the package is called something else.
[10:19] <Rickdangerous> bind?
[10:19] <jhaig> It may be part of bind
[10:20] <Rickdangerous> packages.ubuntu.org
[10:20] <foolip> yeah, seems bind is named
[10:20] <j^3_> bind9
[10:20] <Rickdangerous> ubuntulinux*
[10:20] <Jeezis> ok, how do you copy a directory in terminal?
[10:21] <Jeezis> and then paste
[10:21] <jhaig> Jeezis: cp -a dirname new_dirname
[10:21] <Rickdangerous> ok that uri doesn't work
[10:21] <rototom> "thomas@thomas:~$ apt-cache search thunderbird german
[10:21] <rototom> mozilla-thunderbird-locale-de - Mozilla Thunderbird German Language/Region Package"
[10:22] <jhaig> Jeezis: The -a makes sure it is copied exactly, so everything inside is copied too
[10:23] <GammaRay> Jeezis: I've never seen that before but it sounds interesting.
[10:23] <rototom> dockane, i have debian sid sources integrated, perhaps thats why I get it?
[10:23] <azad> hi.. i'm trying to use qtparted and erase swapspace (on knoppix) but it gives out an error
[10:23] <GammaRay> Jeezis: you do mean actually copy the files right?
[10:23] <TFP> hi
[10:23] <GammaRay> not just the listing
[10:23] <ari_> somebody who knows how my systema could detect mi webcam
[10:23] <dockane> rototom, i am on the source.list by ubuntuguide.org -> extra repository
[10:23] <TFP> does anyone know where i get the program "convert"?
[10:24] <GammaRay> TFP: it's part of imagemagick
[10:24] <ari_> somebody who knows how my systema could detect mi webcam
[10:24] <jhaig> I have configured automount instead of using /etc/fstab for the floppy disk.  Is it possible to add a link for the floppy drive to the window I get from Places->Computer (in the Gnome main menu)?
[10:25] <dbrouwer> hi all, is it not possible to edit mp3-id tags from within rhythmbox?
[10:25] <TFP> so when i install imagemagick i will have the program automatically?
[10:25] <elog> how do i get rid of the dogshit brown splash screens?
[10:25] <MacIver> elog: tape, lots of it
[10:25] <GammaRay> TFP: yep
[10:25] <TFP> k thx
[10:25] <elog> looks like shit
[10:25] <GammaRay> elog: could you try not to be so insulting when asking?
[10:26] <Super_Cat_Frog> is anybody else running hotplug and udev for breezy badger yet?
[10:26] <jhaig> elog: System->Administration->Login Screen Setup
[10:26] <GammaRay> I happen to really like the brown theme
[10:26] <elog> at least knoppix didn't make my laptop look like somone had smeared feces all over it
[10:26] <ari_>  somebody who knows how my systema could detect mi webcam
[10:26] <MacIver> elog: depends on what you eat
[10:26] <mainer> www.ubuntuguide.org
[10:27] <elog> turduntu
[10:27] <Super_Cat_Frog> hmm - ive just found i dont have a /etc/udev/udev.conf - could somebody tell me how to get the default udev config files back?
[10:27] <Markrian> dbrouwer, nope
[10:27] <ari_>  somebody who knows how my systema could detect mi webcam
[10:27] <ari_>  somebody who knows how my systema could detect mi webcam
[10:27] <ari_>  somebody who knows how my systema could detect mi webcam
[10:27] <dbrouwer> too bad] 
[10:27] <dbrouwer> thanks Markrian
[10:27] <j^3_> elog: gdm or the desktop or both?
[10:27] <Markrian> ari_, don't repeat yourself, anyone who can help will answer you
[10:28] <GammaRay> j^3_: don't answer the fool
[10:28] <JaGWiRE``> hey
[10:28] <JaGWiRE``> i'm about to burn my ubuntu cd, will this give me an option to install over my suse installation?
[10:28] <Markrian> Super_Cat_Frog, reinstall udev perhaps
[10:28] <Markrian> But I don't see why you wouldn't have udev.conf...
[10:28] <Super_Cat_Frog> markrian - ive tried that
[10:28] <djones> I forget who had the hotplug question, but I stumbled on this http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/root
[10:28] <elog> j^3: gdm, apparently
[10:29] <anna> Hey, I just read about the HP contract and Ubuntu
[10:29] <hypno> JaGWiRE`` yes, if you mean delete it completely and install over it
[10:29] <ompaul> JaGWiRE``, if it is the install software most certainly
[10:29] <Markrian> Super_Cat_Frog, oh right, you're using breezy, no wonder
[10:29] <elog> i was able to wipe the shit color off the desktop
[10:29] <JaGWiRE``> yeah
[10:29] <GammaRay> JaGWiRE``: you can do whatever you want at the manual partitioning screen
[10:29] <JaGWiRE``> gamam
[10:29] <anna> Does anyone have greater details in an URL than Heise.de has?
[10:29] <JaGWiRE``> will it try to replace over previous by default?
[10:29] <JaGWiRE``> i suck at partitions
[10:29] <JaGWiRE``> always FUCK it all up LOL
[10:29] <elog> linux sux as a desktop anyhow, i should quit being like cheap trailer trash and buy a mac
[10:29] <ari_> Markian: sorry, i didnt wanted to bother you
[10:29] <JaGWiRE``> elog... wtf?
[10:29] <hypno> JaGWiRE`` take a note of what is installed where before you reboot
[10:29] <JaGWiRE``> linu has the best wm's ever
[10:30] <elog> gnome is junk
[10:30] <elog> kde is slightly better
[10:30] <Nermal> troll! :D
[10:30] <MacIver> elog: you're not even a funny troll
[10:30] <MacIver> c'mon
[10:30] <Nermal> *feed feed*
[10:30] <hypno> aye try harder
[10:30] <elog> have you ever used OS X?
[10:30] <GammaRay> Nermal: no shit
[10:30] <MacIver> get some better material
[10:30] <Nermal> elog: yah :)
[10:30] <elog> honestly, it makes everything else look horrid
[10:30] <Nermal> I like to right click :)
[10:30] <enplo> in which file should I add system-wide bash exports? I want to add a directory to the path, and tried adding an appropriate export line to /etc/bash.bashrc and /etc/profile, but it didn't work. actually it only worked for interactive shells
[10:30] <elog> you can right click in os x
[10:30] <GammaRay> JaGWiRE``: I think there is an.. "overwrite all" option
[10:30] <Nermal> sure sure
[10:31] <Markrian> elog, do you have a Mac?
[10:31] <elog> my wife has a couple
[10:31] <azad> hi.. i'm trying to erase my swapspace using qtparted, but i get an error..
[10:31] <GammaRay> JaGWiRE``: but alleast since you don't care about you suse install you can get lots of practice (-;
[10:31] <elog> i'm stuck with cheap x86 junk
[10:31] <Markrian> elog, please use them instead of inflicting linux on yourself
[10:31] <anna> Anybody can point me to details about the HP contract for Ubuntu?
[10:32] <occy> They need to fix ubuntulinux.com   The top left logo needs to be a link back to /
[10:32] <cnez0red> good moaning
[10:32] <ari_>  somebody who knows how my systema could detect mi webcam
[10:32] <GammaRay> elog: yea.. perhaps you can corridinate your skirts w/ the purdy colors
[10:32] <occy> errr
[10:32] <occy>  s/com/org/
[10:32] <Markrian> Oh wait, I'm getting a thought - you're drunk, elog, alone, and your wife has left you because you're a raging alcoholic. Naturally she took her Macs with her.
[10:32] <Super_Cat_Frog> argh! CDE is evil!
[10:32] <JaGWiRE``> gammaray
[10:32] <Nermal> Markrian: hey! I'm on my 4th day without beer :)
[10:33] <JaGWiRE``> i have all my data on my D:\ windows partition
[10:33] <elog> c'mon, you know that brown stuff looks like crap
[10:33] <JaGWiRE``> so i don't wanna fuck ANYTHING up.. i'll bacvkup incase anyway
[10:33] <Super_Cat_Frog> my eyes! my eyes! that awful purple install of solaris
[10:33] <mikeco> slowlaris
[10:33] <GammaRay> JaGWiRE``: unplug it? (-;
[10:33] <Nermal> elog: you're looking in your toilet, not at your monitor, get it right :)
[10:33] <JaGWiRE``> it's a notebook
[10:33] <JaGWiRE``> lol
[10:33] <ompaul> mikeco, no no no no no - so lart us
[10:33] <Kartagis> hey
[10:34] <Kartagis> I need some help
[10:34] <GammaRay> JaGWiRE``: seperate hdd? I know on my old ibm you can easily unplug hdds
[10:34] <JaGWiRE``> hm
[10:34] <GammaRay> old ibm thinkpad that is
[10:34] <JaGWiRE``> it's a sony.. i'm not even sure how to open it
[10:34] <JaGWiRE``> hehe
[10:35] <Kartagis> I want to play mp3 on rhythmbox, it says I don't have necessary plugins, while apt-get says I do
[10:35] <elog> is there some kind of half-assed graphical tool to monkey around in gdm.conf?
[10:35] <mikeco> uh, gstreamer mad plugin
[10:35] <MacIver> elog: gvim?
[10:35] <mikeco> just used sed
[10:35] <GammaRay> gvim? lol
[10:35] <mikeco> use
[10:35] <Kartagis> let me see that
[10:35] <makyo2> anyone here using mozplugger?
[10:35] <azad> hi.. i'm trying to erase my swapspace using qtparted, but i get an error.. partition is still bound in or something.. any ideas?
[10:36] <GammaRay> mikeco: well I suppose the answer fits the asker
[10:36] <elog> i was hoping for something point-n-clicky so i could choose from a little color picker
[10:36] <mikeco> hm/
[10:36] <b0ol> how to mount an ext3 hdd?
[10:36] <hypno> azad you probably want to de-activate your swap with swapoff /dev/whatever
[10:36] <b0ol> /dev/hda3            1306        9733    67697910   83  Linux
[10:36] <b0ol>  how to mount this?
[10:36] <Nermal> mount /dev/hda3 /mountpoint ?
[10:36] <mikeco> mount /dev/hda3 /mnt/something
[10:36] <Markrian> elog, System -> Administration -> Login Screen Setup
[10:36] <azad> thanks :)
[10:36] <Kartagis> mikeco: libmad0 <--- this one?
[10:37] <nubbe> b0ol, ubuntuguide.org
[10:37] <Super_Cat_Frog> elog - gdmconfig or something like that
[10:37] <GammaRay> there is also gtk config tool for gdm... I'm not telling elog what it is until he apologizes
[10:37] <mikeco> Kartagis, is that part of gstreamer?
[10:37] <b0ol> i have to set filesystem :/
[10:37] <makyo2> I have a problem with mozplugger and totem-xine... when I revisit a web page with embedded media the media won't play... I have to flush the cache in firefox... anyone knwos why?
[10:37] <b0ol> but -t ext3 doesn't work :/
[10:37] <j^3_> elog: look under system -> Administration -> Login Screen Setup
[10:37] <Nermal> how do I breath/ dress myself ?
[10:37] <elog> AH-HA! YOU'RE DUMBING DOWN LINUX WITH THIS LOGIN CREEN SETUP APP!
[10:37] <j^3_> elog: no more potty talk, k? :)
[10:37] <Markrian> Kartagis, you want gstreamer0.8-mad
[10:37] <mikeco> gstreamer0.8-mad
[10:37] <elog> busted!
[10:37] <Nermal> elog: yes mac os X boy.. dumbed down BSD indeed :P
[10:37] <MacIver> Nermal: you don't
[10:38] <Markrian> Shouldn't you be at an AA meeting right now elog?
[10:38] <mikeco> hmm, must get margaritas
[10:39] <GammaRay> JaGWiRE``: well my suggestion would be to stop living on the edge and make a backup.
[10:39] <Kartagis> E: Couldn't find package gstreamer0.8-mad
[10:39] <b0ol> root@sitzfurz:~# mount -t ext3 /dev/hda3 /media/windows/g
[10:39] <b0ol> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda3,
[10:39] <b0ol>        missing codepage or other error
[10:39] <b0ol>        In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
[10:39] <b0ol>        dmesg | tail  or so
[10:40] <decaf> Kartagis: add universe and multiverse repos
[10:40] <bur[n] er> anyone know if there's a way to effectively use nautilus to right-click on an image file and "set as wallpaper" ??
[10:40] <Nermal> b0ol: it formatted ?
[10:40] <b0ol> erm...
[10:40] <b0ol> damn
[10:40] <b0ol> no :)
[10:40] <b0ol> how to do?
[10:40] <Markrian> Kartagis, then you don't have the right repositories enabled
[10:40] <Nermal> mkfs.ext3
[10:40] <Markrian> Kartagis, you want to enable the universe repositry
[10:40] <JaGWiRE``> gamma
[10:40] <JaGWiRE``> i always backup
[10:40] <b0ol> Nermal
[10:40] <JaGWiRE``> uncles boring external hd now thoguh
[10:40] <JaGWiRE``> :P
[10:40] <b0ol> is reiser fs better than ext3?
[10:41] <Nermal> uh oh..
[10:41] <SQL_Sam> can anyone guide me setting up samba? - I did the apt-get samba and it installed but I am confused now what to do?
[10:41] <Nermal> erm.. faster but explodes more spectacularly is the short answer
[10:41] <Nermal> but no doubt a flamewar will kick off about this
[10:41] <b0ol> mkay
[10:41] <pixil9> SQL_Sam: Search for SWAT and install it. http://localhost:901
[10:41] <Nermal> reiser is better for lots of small files, ext3 is very stable
[10:41] <b0ol> i'll try ext3
[10:41] <bur[n] er> SQL_Sam: what do you want to do...s hare a folder?  right click a folder, and "share folder"
[10:41] <SQL_Sam> thanks
[10:41] <Kartagis> deb http://tr.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe <--- like this?
[10:41] <bur[n] er> u don't even need swat
[10:42] <makyo2> anyone knows if the backports server is down?
[10:42] <pixil9> Well it's great that it creates shares
[10:42] <pixil9> except you can't access them
[10:42] <pixil9> so yes you're gonna want swat
[10:42] <SQL_Sam> yes want to make this a windows sever for windows files
[10:42] <Markrian> SQL_Sam, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SettingUpSamba
[10:42] <hypno> SQL_Sam administration->shared folers is a nice graphical admin tool
[10:42] <Markrian> Kartagis, yes
[10:43] <sobersabre> yelp crashes!
[10:43] <sobersabre> what can be the problem ?
[10:43] <sobersabre> i am on hoary
[10:43] <Kartagis> Markrian: do I have to do anything else after adding the right lines?
[10:43] <sobersabre> straced it
[10:43] <hor> Can somebody tell me in which package the program 'aclocal' is?
[10:43] <SQL_Sam> i've looked at the ubuntu help for samba but i'm not showing what it has there....
[10:44] <sobersabre> it dies after it tries to open:
[10:44] <hor> or how I can find out, which package provides a specific executable
[10:44] <GammaRay> hor: apt-file
[10:44] <sobersabre> /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/components/xpti.dat.tmp"
[10:44] <b0ol> great
[10:44] <Markrian> Kartagis, update the package listings, so either reload using synaptic, or do sudo apt-get update
[10:44] <b0ol> thnx Nermal
[10:44] <b0ol> :)
[10:44] <ari_> somebody who knows how my systema could detect mi webcam
[10:44] <Zotnix> I was wondering.. say I have a seperate disk (like 6 gigs really)... if I put my swap on there would that improve performance? (since it would write to the other disk that doesn't get used as much)
[10:44] <hor> GammaRay: Thank you! :)
[10:44] <Levande1> Is there a dpkg command line option to verify the files that were installed by a package?
[10:44] <makyo2> so, anyone here using mozplugger?
[10:45] <Levande1> dpkg or some other similar command
[10:45] <b0ol> gn8 folks
[10:45] <ari_> somebody who knows how my systema could detect mi webcam
[10:45] <Kartagis> okay, I did apt-get update
[10:46] <Levande1> Zotnix: a little it would improve, could also put the other hard disk on a different IDE ribbon, make even a little faster
[10:46] <hor> GammaRay: But i thought of a program that can search for files that aren't installed on my system. I am searching for the package i need to have aclocal
[10:46] <Kartagis> ari_: load the necessary module?
[10:46] <Levande1> Zotnix: you realize you don't need 6 gigs of swap though right?
[10:46] <Zotnix> oh I know.
[10:46] <Markrian> Levande1, why do you want to do that?
[10:46] <Zotnix> But I'm not using.
[10:46] <Zotnix> Erm, I'm not using it.
[10:46] <Levande1> Markrian: do what?
[10:46] <Zotnix> So I figured I could put my 500 megs or so of swap on i.
[10:46] <Zotnix> t
[10:46] <Markrian> Levande1, check files installed from a package
[10:46] <Levande1> verify the installation of a package?
[10:46] <Kartagis> 6 gigs of swap?
[10:46] <Kartagis> og
[10:47] <SQL_Sam> i could not connect to local host?
[10:47] <Markrian> SQL_Sam, read http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SettingUpSamba
[10:47] <Levande1> Levande1: because I ran out of room on my boot partition during the hoary upgrade, even though the kernel boots fine, i'd like to make sure that the kernel package installed okay
[10:47] <Zotnix> My reasoning is that when it writes to swap it writes to the disk that my data is on and using... so it slows everything down.
[10:48] <Levande1> SQL_Sam: how were you trying to connect to localhost?
[10:48] <Markrian> Levande1, dpkg would have bombed out if it didn't work
[10:48] <Markrian> Levande1, so it's almost definitely fine
[10:48] <Zotnix> If I use /dev/hda for my swap (part of it, at least) it won't be writing to the disk I'm using (alleviating some slowdown)
[10:48] <Levande1> Zotnix: yes, is old trick to put user data on one disk, application runtime stuff on another, was done a lot with SCSI disk setups.  Similar would work for swap.  But do not expect it to be twice as fast.
[10:49] <Levande1> Markrian: yeah, well, I'd like to make sure...
[10:49] <Zotnix> Levande1: Heh, I wouldn't ;)
[10:49] <Levande1> Zotnix: that trick was called scattering and splattering, forget why, would have to google...
[10:50] <Zotnix> I can google.
[10:50] <Levande1> nobody knows a dpkg command line option to verify the installation of a package?
[10:50] <Markrian> Levande1, dpkg-query -s <package>
[10:50] <Markrian> Levande1, or rather dpkg-query -s <package> | grep Status
[10:50] <Zotnix> I have only two disks. Right now /dev/hdb has /home, /, and swap on it. I want to move swap to /dev/hda2 or something
[10:50] <Kartagis> Markrian: how do I solve the "not installable" problem?
[10:51] <transgress> hey i'm trying to install my wireless, but i can't find the driver... the hp site has it but it's an a self extracting zip
[10:51] <Markrian> Kartagis, that depends - what are you trying to install and what's the exact error?
[10:52] <Markrian> transgress, presumably you're going to use ndiswrapper?
[10:52] <SQL_Sam> I'm using KDE right now for samba do i need to install smbfs?
[10:52] <Kartagis> Markrian: http://www.pastebin.com/273834
[10:52] <Markrian> SQL_Sam, no
[10:52] <transgress> Markrian: yes
[10:52] <dockane> how do you write nowhere ? (like in the middle of nowhere)
[10:52] <phxguy> anyone know how-to make ubuntu auto detect the filesystem
[10:53] <decaf> phxguy: which filesystem?
[10:53] <MacIver> export NOAUTODETECT=off
[10:53] <phxguy> iso9660 or cramfs
[10:53] <dcraven> dockane, /dev/null :)
[10:53] <Levande1> Markrian: yeah, that command you gave me says it installed okay.  It is wierd though seeing "df" report zero bytes free on the partition that a kernel was installed onto while you weren't even in front of the computer
[10:53] <Levande1> thanks for your help
[10:53] <Markrian> transgress, so you wanna know how to get at what's inside the self-extracting zip?
[10:53] <Markrian> Kartagis, something's VERY wrong - have you added any weird repositories?
[10:54] <bur[n] er> anyone use evolution with exchange?  I have a question about offline calendaring
[10:54] <Levande1> sucks, because I'm gonna have to jump through hoops to get a bigger kernel partition, i was lucky this time there was enough room, would be surprised next time
[10:54] <transgress> Markrian: that would work
[10:54] <Markrian> Levande1, zero bytes free? That DOES sound suspicious :p
[10:54] <dcraven> Levande1, maybe you can just symlink a kernel from another disk.
[10:54] <phxguy> ie added this to my fstab but ubuntu cant determine the filesystem /mnt/app/4/image /mnt/app/4 auto user,noauto,ro,loop,exec 0 0
[10:54] <dantheman> if i'm printing on normal 8.5 x 11 paper, do i want letter size paper or A4 in my printer settings?
[10:54] <dcraven> Levande1, for the time being anyways...
[10:55] <phxguy> dantheman: letter
[10:55] <Levande1> Markrian: yeah, that's what I was saying, that's why I wanted to verify installation
[10:55] <Markrian> transgress, just "unzip driver.exe"
[10:55] <transgress> Markrian: i tried that... doesn't work
[10:55] <Levande1> dcraven: it's working as is, I'm worried about future upgrades though.  I can remove one usused kernel this time, but next time, if the next kernel is 1K bigger, I assume it won't install
[10:55] <Markrian> Levande1, I didn't realise... I'm not convinced now :p
[10:55] <ari_> Kartagis:what do you mean with module
[10:55] <dockane> dcraven, that would be the posix describtion ? but need it seriosly ;)
[10:56] <Kartagis> ari_: you need a module for webcam
[10:56] <Levande1> Markrian: well, I'm using the system with that kernel boot now, just fine
[10:56] <SQL_Sam> dumb question here - Firefox has been timing out left and right (cant even get to google).  I'm using konqueror now and it seems to be rockin - any ideas why?
[10:56] <Levande1> talk about cosmic coinicidences
[10:56] <dcraven> dockane, I don't think there is anything wrong about "nowhere".
[10:57] <Markrian> SQL_Sam, proxy settings correct?
[10:57] <Levande1> SQL_Sam: try a ping next time, network could have been flaky, might just be working better now...
[10:57] <SQL_Sam> auto detect
[10:57] <SQL_Sam> it's been a few days
[10:57] <azad> when i try to resize hda4 i get an error "ntfs_mount failed: Input-/Output error"
[10:57] <SQL_Sam> constantly giving me problems
[10:57] <dcraven> Kartagis, you have the merrillat repository in your sources.list? I'd comment it out and install the gstreamer plugin in Hoary.
but i dont know what is a module, could you explain me
[10:57] <Levande1> azad: what utility you using to resize, i'll probably have to do the same thing soon
[10:57] <Levande1> ?
[10:57] <azad> qtparted
[10:58] <Levande1> your partition utility has a qt GUI front-end?
[10:58] <dantheman> does anyone know how i would fix problems where my printing is a bit fuzzier, and the text is larger than it should be?
[10:58] <SQL_Sam> i'm wondering if there is something in firefox I can adjust
[10:58] <azad> i have a graphical surface if you mean that
[10:58] <ari_> Kartagis:????
[10:58] <phxguy> decaf: any ideas on this?
[10:59] <Kartagis> dcraven: deb http://tr.adeb http://tr.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-updates main restricted
[10:59] <Kartagis> deb-src http://tr.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-updates main restricted rchive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[10:59] <Kartagis> deb-src http://tr.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe are what I have
[10:59] <Kartagis> ari_: there's a webcam-HOWTO on www.tldp.org
[10:59] <dcraven> Levande1, there is a gparted too with a gtk frontend to parted.
[10:59] <Kartagis> go read that
[10:59] <Levande1> SQL_Sam: you know there's a heavilty traffic firefox channel on the mozilla irc server, they prolly help you more
[11:00] <ari_> <Kartagis: ok
[11:00] <pixil9> SQL_Sam, you remove and reinstall it?
[11:00] <SQL_Sam> is it on this freenode?
[11:00] <SQL_Sam> havent tried remove and reisntall yet
[11:00] <Levande1> SQL_Sam: there is a #firefox on freenode, but it's always dead, gimme a sec to get you the mozilla irc server
[11:00] <SQL_Sam> thanks!
[11:01] <raposa> hi.
[11:01] <Levande1> SQL_Sam: it's on irc.mozilla.org
[11:01] <dcraven> Kartagis, is looks like those repos may be out of sync because the required dependancies are in ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu repos.
[11:01] <SQL_Sam> thank you
[11:01] <raposa> I am have a system with a corrupted raid, and have booted it up with the ubuntu linux live CD.
[11:02] <raposa> How can I view the harddrives?
[11:02] <raposa> ls -l /dev/hd* reveals nothing
[11:02] <blue_eclipse> it's a scsi raid?
[11:02] <raposa> nope
[11:02] <Kartagis> dcraven: so I change tr to ca?
[11:02] <dcraven> raposa, you'll need to mount them.
[11:03] <Kartagis> dcraven: or just add it?
[11:03] <dcraven> Kartagis, you searched for the libmad0 package and the correct version is unavailable on the repos you use?
[11:03] <raposa> mount them just as I would a cdrom drive.
[11:03] <raposa> dcraven, I give it a go.
[11:03] <raposa> just thought I'd see them in /dev
[11:04] <dcraven> raposa, does fdisk see them?
[11:04] <Kartagis> root@kunduz:~ # apt-cache search libmad0
[11:04] <Kartagis> root@kunduz:~ #
[11:04] <Kartagis>  <--- nothing on this
[11:04] <SQL_Sam> sorry to be such a newbie - I'm using xchat - tried adding irc.mozilla.org but doesnt find it - am i doing the connection right?
[11:05] <jhaig> Sometimes when I log in there seems to be an auto-repeat on the keyboard (ie, if I type 'a' I get 'aaaaaaaaa').  The only way I can find to stop this is rebooting - logging out and back in doesn't seem to work.  Anyone any idea why this might be?
[11:05] <raposa> dcraven, hmm.  dfisk -l /dev/hdc gives me, "no valid partition table."  nice.
[11:05] <dockane> dcraven, thnx
[11:06] <dcraven> raposa, isn't hdc typically a CDROM?
[11:06] <dockane> raposa, have not followed your conversation. gpart may recover lost partition tables
[11:07] <dcraven> jhaig, there are settings for this in System->Preferenced->Keyboard, but it sounds like it may be a problem elsewhere. Worth a look though.
[11:07] <transgress> i love vnc
[11:07] <transgress> but i still gotta get my freaking wireless setup
[11:07] <jhaig> dcraven: It is not all the time, but often enough to be very annoying.  I suspect it is not a Gnome problem but something to do with Xorg.
[11:08] <Guga> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[11:08] <Guga> glxgears: Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual.
[11:08] <dcraven> SQL_Sam, I'd say you are not adding the connection right as I just did it with success.
[11:08] <j^3_> jhaig: no sticky keys, right?
[11:09] <nickrud> jhaig, the only time I had problems like that I had to get a new keyboard
[11:09] <geneo93> help getting system sounds on kde anyone
[11:09] <Guga> Can someone help me get glxgears running again?
[11:09] <Kartagis> dcraven: it says a bug report should be filed
[11:09] <dcraven> geneo93, you may have luck here with that, but you may have even better luck in #kubuntu.
[11:09] <jhaig> J^3 I haven't set up any sticky keys.  It is not just the keyboard.  When I try to get the menu I have to keep the mouse button pressed or the menu disappears immediately.
[11:10] <SQL_Sam> weird... k trying again
[11:10] <geneo93> well even gnome sounds dont work
[11:10] <SQL_Sam> says unknown hosts may have mispelled it?
[11:10] <j^3_> jhaig: I've had that happen when a book or something was sitting on my keyboard and I didn't notice
[11:10] <geneo93> but i dont use gnome atm
[11:10] <j^3_> jhaig: sounds a lot like hardware to me
[11:11] <dcraven> SQL_Sam, irc.mozilla.org/6667 is what worked for me.
[11:11] <nickrud> geneo93, have you made sure you have no sound servers running and
[11:11] <SQL_Sam> k
[11:11] <nickrud> cat some.wav > /dev/dsp
[11:12] <transgress> hey is there a way to download the kernel sources for ubuntu?  i'm trying to install the nvidia driver
[11:12] <geneo93> nickrud:  from boot it shouldn't have and when i use exrernal player it works fine
[11:12] <nickrud> geneo93, what external player
[11:13] <geneo93> well xmms is the only one i have tried
[11:13] <nickrud> geneo93, in xmms, what sound output option did you select?
[11:13] <dcraven> SQL_Sam, menu bar --> X-Chat | New | Server Tab, then in that new tab, type "/server irc.mozilla.org". You wil then be connected to both freenode and mozilla.
[11:14] <jhaig> Well, although I said it didn't happen all the time I have just booted up a third time and it is the same.  This is making the machine completely unusable.  :-(
[11:14] <geneo93> that works fine but it only does it once till you close xmms
[11:14] <nickrud> geneo93 ?
[11:14] <raposa> \quit
[11:14] <nad> can anyone offer assistance with the multiseat package?
[11:14] <Guga> glxgears isn't working, someone please help
[11:14] <geneo93> so i set it back to default
[11:14] <conor> any1 think they could help me install vmware? i'm using Hoary Hedgehog kernel: 2.6.10-5-386
[11:15] <j^3_> jhaig: always the same key(s)?
[11:15] <conor> please?
[11:15] <geneo93> nickrud:  someone said permissions for default player was turned off
[11:16] <nickrud> geneo93, if we're going to be able to help you, you have to answer the questions we ask :)
[11:16] <jhaig> J^3_: All keys and the mouse are all playing up
[11:16] <dcraven> concept10, does this help? --> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/VMware
[11:16] <jhaig> ... but only after logging in.  I have not changed any of the Gnome settings, though.
[11:16] <j^3_> wierd
[11:17] <conor> mm nope, i have version 5
[11:17] <dcraven> Guga, is glx loaded in your xorg.conf?
[11:17] <AndyR> 7.00 fps here on glxgears :(
[11:17] <Guga> yes, dcraven
[11:17] <dcraven> AndyR, nice :)
[11:17] <dcraven> Guga, which video chipset?
[11:17] <AndyR> dcraven, old laptop
[11:17] <geneo93> oss nickrud it was set by default
[11:17] <nickrud> good
[11:18] <conor> i get this error when trying to configure vmware: make: *** [vmmon.ko]  Error 2
[11:18] <j^3_> jhaig: you could try cleaning out your gnome settings, I suppose
[11:18] <conor> unable to build vmware module
[11:18] <nickrud> do   ps -ax | grep esd
[11:18] <Guga> nvidia dcraven
[11:18] <j^3_> jhaig: is it still messed up if you drop to a console?
[11:19] <dcraven> conor, you followd the directions on that wiki page?
[11:19] <geneo93> Warning: bad ps syntax, perhaps a bogus '-'? See http://procps.sf.net/faq.html
[11:19] <geneo93>   nickrud
[11:19] <nickrud> geneo93, new to the command line?
[11:19] <conor> i'll try it, it says VWMARE 5 should work fine tho, and i have it
[11:19] <conor> ill het back to u on that1...
[11:19] <dcraven> geneo93, ps aux  | grep esd
[11:19] <geneo93> nickrud:  no
[11:19] <conor> get*
[11:19] <Guga> dcraven, do you want the xorg.conf on a private chat?
[11:19] <jhaig> No, the console is OK.  And starting xinit from a console is also OK (doesn't start Gnome) so I think something in Gnome must have got changed.
[11:20] <dcraven> Guga, no. pastebin.com.
[11:20] <jhaig> If I move .gnome2 to hold.gnome2 will .gnome2 be created new?
[11:20] <nickrud> ok, what I'm doing is checking to see if gnome's sound deamon (enlightened sound deamon) is running, and if it is, how.
[11:20] <geneo93> oot     10758  0.0  0.1   2948   580 pts/1    S+   17:18   0:00 grep esd
[11:20] <j^3_> I'd try backing up the .gnome* dirs and blowing them away (without gnome running at the time)
[11:20] <Guga> done, dcraven
[11:21] <nickrud> ok, now, are you running gnome, or another window manager
[11:21] <j^3_> Let gnome recreate them and see if there is any difference 1) in what gets created, 2) behavior
[11:21] <transgress> anyone know a repo that i can use for getting mplayer and blackbox?
[11:21] <dcraven> conor, oh.. You may need to install the linux-headers package for your running kernel so that VMWare can compile against them. The package will be called type "sudo apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`" in a terminal.
[11:21] <geneo93> nic` i have gnome and kde both but kde atm
[11:22] <nickrud> then let me see ps -ax | grep arts
[11:22] <dockane> Banned Temporary K-line 1440 min. - Blacklisted Proxy found. <- do i have to take this seriously ?
[11:22] <Upayavira> hypno: best way to fix wireless: reboot! It is working fine now, and I'm now chatting from within my Ubuntu install.
[11:22] <hypno> Upayavira super :)
[11:23] <mikeco> is jackit worth using?
[11:23] <Edgan> Is there no VMware package for Ubuntu? Or package to create a package like java-package?
[11:23] <nickrud> arts: don't know what it stands for, but it's the kde sound deamon
[11:23] <geneo93>  S      0:04 /usr/bin/artsd -F 10 -S 4096 -s 60 -m artsmessage -c drkonqi -l 3 -f
[11:23] <geneo93> 10771 pts/1    S+     0:00 grep arts
[11:23] <geneo93>   nickrud
[11:23] <Guga> I did, dcraven  under my name
[11:23] <Upayavira> Edgan: VMWare is a commercial package. So no, to my knowledge there isn't a package for it.
[11:23] <Edgan> Upayavira: lame
[11:24] <nickrud> no sound daemon at all, eh?
[11:24] <Upayavira> Edgan: Why?
[11:24] <Edgan> Upayavira: Everything should have a package. Package management is good.
[11:24] <Njal> What help can someone give me about rolling me own kernel?
[11:24] <Upayavira> Edgan: Well, yes, but unless VMWare themselves produce one, it is unlikely.
[11:24] <geneo93> kane      9424  0.0  1.4  21924  7720 ?        S    10:40   0:04 /usr/bin/artsd -F 10 -S 4096 -s 60 -m artsmessage -c drkonqi -l 3 -f
[11:24] <geneo93> kane     10775  0.0  0.1   2952   588 pts/1    S+   17:22   0:00 grep arts
[11:25] <nickrud> geneo93, I gotta step out right now, but if you want to stick with kde, #kubuntu will help better, but if you want to run gnome I'll be on later this evening.
[11:25] <Edgan> Upayavira: There is java-package for java. It isn't like it isn't doable.
[11:25] <exarkun> Upayavira: nothing prevents anyone else from creating a vmware package
[11:25] <nickrud> geneo93,
[11:25] <exarkun> Upayavira: the only thing you have to buy from them is a key
[11:25] <exarkun> everything else is freely downloadable
[11:25] <dockane> geneo93, whats that ?
[11:25] <Kartagis> hoakaln / bye
[11:26] <geneo93> that was second try
[11:26] <nad> Edgan: have you tried the QEMU package?
[11:26] <Upayavira> Edgan: you could always try: http://www.fbriere.net/debian/vmware/
[11:26] <exarkun> has anyone here done a dist upgrade from an existing debian install?  what were the results?
[11:26] <j^3_> I did
[11:26] <j^3_> mixed results
[11:26] <Upayavira> What is the recommended way to play movie dvds on Ubuntu?
[11:26] <jhaig> OK, I created a completely new home directory with no files in it at all and I still have the same problem.
[11:27] <Edgan> Upayavira: I recommend totem-xine. It does a good job for me.
[11:27] <Upayavira> Edgan: thanks
[11:27] <nickrud> geneo93, one last thing: do cat /usr/share/sounds/login.wav   Do you hear it?
[11:27] <j^3_> jhaig: true for all user accounts?
[11:27] <jhaig> There is only one user account
[11:28] <j^3_> so make another one and check
[11:28] <dcraven> Guga, I'm unfamiliar with this video chipset, but do you have the sis module loaded into the kernel?
[11:28] <j^3_> you should be able to test with root
[11:28] <geneo93> nickrud:  just a mangled mess
[11:28] <Guga> dcraven, how would I determine that?
[11:28] <dcraven> Guga, lsmod | grep sis
[11:28] <nad> exarkun: me also. also mixed results
[11:28] <nickrud> geneo93, cat /usr/share/sounds/login.wav > /dev/dsp
[11:29] <Edgan> Upayavira: I found someone with a Debian repo with VMware. I can probably take his source package and adapt it.
[11:29] <exarkun> nad, j^3_: usable?  fixable?  more trouble than just doing a clean install?
[11:29] <geneo93> nickrud:  same thing
[11:29] <LeeColleton> I'm totally baffled by this.  I have two interfaces on my server, eth1 and eth2.  mii-tool says there is a good link on eth2 but I can't ping from 10.0.2.1 to 10.0.2.2 on it.  Any suggestions?
[11:29] <Guga> dcraven   sis900                 20100  0
[11:29] <Guga> i2c_sis630              7436  0
[11:29] <Guga> i2c_core               22320  1 i2c_sis630
[11:29] <Guga> sis_agp                 8036  1
[11:29] <Guga> agpgart                33608  1 sis_agp
[11:29] <Guga> sis5513                16328  1
[11:29] <Guga> ide_core              129356  4 ide_cd,ide_generic,sis5513,ide_disk
[11:29] <SavvyPlayer> Is it possible to configure apt-get to prefer packages from one distro?
[11:29] <dcraven> Guga, don't paste like that in here please.
[11:30] <Guga> sorry, dcraven
[11:30] <j^3_> exarkun: it was useable and fixable, but it was a *lot* of work to get the packages right
[11:30] <nad> exarkun: yes but easier to install fresh
[11:30] <amonkey> savvyplayer: synaptic can do that, dunno about apt-get
[11:30] <dcraven> Guga, I'm looking here --> http://www.winischhofer.net/sisdri.shtml
[11:30] <geneo93> nickrud:  this time it wont stop
[11:31] <nickrud> I really gotta go, but what I'd do reboot, and see if I hear the login, and if not,
[11:31] <jhaig> New account, still same problem.
[11:31] <geneo93> k
[11:31] <nickrud> stopped at just the point I got your line,
[11:31] <geneo93>  l8r then
[11:31] <j^3_> SavvyPlayer: look at the apt faq for "pinning"
[11:31] <dcraven> Guga, try "modprobe sis".
[11:31] <Guga> there, dcraven
[11:31] <nickrud> bye
[11:32] <transgress> if i'm trying to install the nvidia drivers for ubuntu i can just grab the linux-headers to satisfy it right?
[11:32] <Guga> error inserting drm, sis    dcraven
[11:32] <SavvyPlayer> thanks!
[11:32] <Zotnix> Levande1: Thanks. Successfully moved my swap to /dev/hda1
[11:32] <holycow> transgress, just follow the instructions on the ubuntu site for nvidia drivers
[11:32] <dockane> apt getting currently only returns file or dir not found. mmhh
[11:32] <holycow> transgress, apt-get two times and restart x an dyour done
[11:32] <nad> transgress: just install the ubuntu package
[11:32] <holycow> same for ati drivers
[11:33] <XandriX> jdub isint there isint he ........
[11:35] <nad> how do i get my open directories in own windows back?
[11:36] <transgress> does installing the nvidia glx drivers add to my x config properly and whatnot?
[11:36] <transgress> i couldn't find the instructions on the ubuntu site via google
[11:36] <jhaig> J^3_: I tried with a new account and got the same problem.
[11:36] <spiderworm> hey all how do I get the shutdown, hibernate options in KDE on hoary 5.04
[11:37] <nad> transgress: there is an instruction in the package description
[11:38] <SavvyPlayer> transgress:
[11:38] <SavvyPlayer> yes... follow the debian instructions for building and you'll be fine
[11:38] <nad> transgress: the install is okay but I find driver conflicts occasionally
[11:38] <transgress> nad: thanks
[11:38] <transgress> SavvyPlayer: you too
[11:39] <mainer> spiderworm: right-click on desktop,configure desktop
[11:40] <j^3_> jhaig: do you have any other windows managers installed right now? xfce maybe?  does the problem happen there too?
[11:40] <Guga> need help with glxgears/nvidia driver
[11:41] <j^3_> jhaig: any errors in the log files?
[11:42] <spiderworm> mainer: ok
[11:42] <spiderworm> mainer: then what?
[11:43] <duddie> Is there a deb package for wxWidget dev tools? (lib, headers..)
[11:43] <dcraven> Guga, nvidia? I thought it was an sis chip?
[11:43] <transgress> grar... installing the nvidia packages all kinds of screwed up my resolution
[11:43] <Guga> negative, dcraven.
[11:44] <dcraven> Guga, can you paste the output of lspci into pastebin.com?
[11:44] <Guga> sure, dcraven.  one nanosecond
[11:44] <dcraven> Guga, according to your xorg.conf, it's an sis.
[11:44] <jhaig> J^3_: I don't have any other WM or desktops installed and there are no errors I can find in any of the logs.
[11:45] <Guga> as you commanded, dcraven.
[11:45] <jhaig> How do I reconfigure Xorg?  I cannot find anything other than to set the screen resolution.
[11:46] <dcraven> Guga, I'm not seeing any nvidia chipset in there... Only SIS. Can I ask why you think it is an nvidia chip?
[11:47] <Guga> dcraven, it says so on the side of my comp :P
[11:47] <Guga> sis drivers to download, dcraven?
[11:47] <dcraven> 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]  630/730 PCI/AGP VGA Display Adapter (rev 31)
[11:47] <j^3_> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[11:47] <Guga> hmmm.  dcraven, I think I've found the problem.
[11:48] <dcraven> Guga, your computer lies. Is this a new box? If so, I'd return it if you thought you were getting an nvidia.
[11:48] <Guga> no, donated, dcraven
[11:48] <dcraven> Guga, can't complain then I suppose eh? :)
[11:48] <Guga> :P dcraven
[11:48] <dcraven> Guga, well, just so you know, it's not an nvidia. That may be part of your problem ;P
[11:49] <Guga> yes, I believe so.  dcraven.  what are my options?
[11:49] <rj-> I just added a new video card to my machine running hoary with x.org's server installed, I tried to do a dpkg --configure xserver-xorg but it says its already installed and configured
[11:49] <j^3_> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[11:49] <rj-> ah. thanks.
[11:49] <dcraven> Guga, did you install the nvidia modules? If you did, then you might as well lose them.
[11:49] <Guga> ok, dcraven
[11:50] <andril> hello all
[11:51] <dcraven> Guga, is the nvidia module loaded in your kernel? "lsmod | grep nvidia" will tell you.
[11:51] <dcraven> hi andril
[11:51] <dcraven> bye andril
[11:51] <j^3_> jhaig: I'm stumped.  not finding anything similair via google either
[11:52] <ishkabob> hey can anyone help with an ipod question?
[11:52] <jhaig> J^3_: Thanks for the help.  I think I'll give up for the night.  I just wanted to set up one more thing and then this happened - that was about an hour and a half ago.  :-(
[11:52] <Guga> just nvidia kernel common, dcraven
[11:53] <j^3_> jhaig: sorry about that!
[11:53] <dcraven> Guga, uninstall it if you haven't already. I'll assume the answer to my last question was "no". :)
[11:53] <jhaig> Not your problem.  Probably something up with the hardware.  I had just plugged in an IPod - I don't know if that is significant, but it shouldn't be.
[11:54] <j^3_> is the kb usb?
[11:54] <Guga> uninstalled, oh, wise dcraven.  :P
[11:54] <jhaig> No.
[11:54] <j^3_> don't think so then..
[11:54] <nad> Guga: no, that's part of the linux restricted kernel package
[11:54] <thr1ce> why can I not find win32 codecs ?
[11:54] <Guga> no nad?
[11:55] <ishkabob> anyone get that last message?
[11:55] <nad> Guga: the nvidia kernel common package is a dummy
[11:55] <Guga> you're telling me, nad
[11:55] <marc> kann man hier einfach drauf los fragen ?
[11:56] <qpid> thr1ce: http://ubuntuguide.org/#codecs
[11:56] <eaon> marc: #ubuntu-de
[11:56] <\sh> marc: in english please
[11:56] <\sh> marc: in german on #ubuntu-de
[11:56] <nad> thr1ce: see marillat
[11:56] <ishkabob> can anyone help with an ipod question?
[11:56] <thr1ce> marillat ?
[11:56] <beh> ishkabob: maybe
[11:56] <nad> i'm looking it up
[11:56] <thr1ce> E: Package w32codecs has no installation candidate
[11:57] <nad> # deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ stable main
[11:57] <ishkabob> I think that this post is valid because I have been combing the internet for about a week now trying to figure out how to do this.
[11:57] <ishkabob> I have a 3rd Gen, firewire, 40gig Ipod, and Hoary.
[11:57] <ishkabob> Originally when I installed Ubuntu, I could plug my iPod in, and Ubuntuwould automatically recognize it and mount it. I would then use thecommand "sudo eject /dev/sda2" to eject it. However, if I would ejectit, and then try and plug it back in, ubuntu would route it to/dev/sdb2. Now, when I plug the ipod in, nothing happens. It justcharges. This happened once before, and reinstalling the hal packagesseemed to fix the problem. I tried it again...no such luck
[11:58] <Guga> glxgears still doesn't work, nad
[11:58] <dcraven> Guga, now that the nvidia stuff is uninstalled, the first thing I'd do is try restarting X by logging out of GNOME and back in.
[11:58] <marc> i have a problem with my sound card. i can hear some noise when ubuntu starts up, but realplayer hang up when i start it
[11:58] <transgress> hey anyone know of a repo that i can use to get mplayer?
[11:58] <Guga> dcraven, ok.
[11:58] <transgress> i'd much prefer it to compiling it manually
[11:58] <nad> thr1ce: add that to your /etc/apt/sources.list and uncomment it
[11:58] <Guga> dcraven, nad said I need it
[11:58] <Abood> guys, iv got proplem with sound, when i try to open Totem on a move; it told me Error: Alsa Device "Default" is already in use by another program . ??? any idea ?!
[11:58] <dcraven> Guga, you need nvidia modules for an SIS chipset??
[11:59] <beh> ishkabob: type lsmod and see if sbp2 ieee1394 and ohci1394 are running
[11:59] <thr1ce> nad, ok; it'll work alright with breezy right?
[11:59] <ishkabob> k
[11:59] <Guga> ok, dcraven
[11:59] <thr1ce> W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net testing Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907