[12:01] easyease, and these damn NAT routers give you private not public addresses or IP's [12:01] ah i wondered why that was [12:02] easyease, so i am trying to find a solution....but it just isn't easy [12:02] easyease, i worked on it all day the other day with kkathman === cosmobot [~zic@ts3-a177.Voronezh.dial.rol.ru] has joined #kubuntu [12:02] easyease, but there just is a serious problem with NAT === kubuntero is now known as kubuno [12:02] \sh: i'm woundert from where the other small distros get their deb's, i cannot believe they package for their own.... any url from ian's blog ? looks like i missed something in the last days [12:03] amu, i don't know if it really works...but look at alien....take a tarball and try to make a deb with it....it might work [12:03] wish i couldgive you good advice mate [12:03] <\sh> amu: I wrote a trackback to his article...http://linux.blogweb.de/ [12:04] <\sh> amu: first article...links to ian are in the top part of the text [12:05] <\sh> amu: ian is concerned, that ubtunus debs will be incompatible with debians ;) [12:05] \sh, well ian is right...ubuntu is quite a bit different from debian...but still as far as i know complies with free issuance [12:06] \sh, so just a different type of debian...i suppose [12:07] \sh, but debian has been playing some sick games on the public....and using only software that is 50years old...while people have been taking the new gnu software and recompiling it with windows widgets to sell it to the public [12:07] <\sh> whiskers: right, but he doesn't like it, that ubuntu is marching on, too far away from the mother of all debian distris [12:07] \sh, well i understand that....but any deb distro can get the same files for their distro [12:07] <\sh> whiskers: I'm not with ian :) I like the idea of forking [12:08] \sh, they are mostly getting them from gentoo anyway [12:08] \sh, just not all of them [12:08] <\sh> whiskers: finally gentoo is a good source [12:08] <\sh> and at least, everybody can use opensource to bugfix their own tree === Markrian [~Markrian@82-68-11-182.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #kubuntu [12:09] <\sh> but I don't like the thoughts of ian...u know..he is frightend, just because of his own company [12:09] <\sh> IMHO ! [12:09] \sh, well gentoo is the best...but it is not for everybody [12:10] <\sh> whiskers: I hope it stays the best, cause right now, a couple of good devs are running away [12:10] \sh, and anyway if ubuntu ever did get something that gentoo doesn't have....any gentoo person knows how to use alien to get the ubuntu deb and put it on gentoo === kubuno [~kubuntero@200.121.11.246] has left #kubuntu ["Konversation] [12:11] \sh, but ubuntu is a very easy system for beginners [12:11] <\sh> whiskers: i think this will never happen ;) [12:11] <\sh> whiskers: not only for beginners...for semi-pros or pros as well, it runs thats it..someone can work with it [12:12] <\sh> ok..one last cigarette [12:12] <\sh> time to go to bed [12:12] \sh, yes it is usable but it takes some work...and there are still a few problems === yogi [~yogi@etd97.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #kubuntu [12:14] <\sh> whiskers: believe me, I'm a gentoo geek, and when I saw the clean desktop and dbos and hald etc. I was amazed...gentoo needs that [12:14] <\sh> but didn't implement it for 2005.0 so..now I'm staying with (k)ubuntu and work with it..thats all. [12:15] <\sh> if I'm waiting for patch to be included in the gentoo tree, or wait here...doesn't matter :) [12:15] \sh: he's right, a common problem is that debian still use xfree, so packages are never compatible [12:16] <\sh> amu: but this is not ubuntus problem...it's debians..as I said in my article...if they're not listening to the user, someone will [12:16] <\sh> the problem with opensource software and especially linux distribution is, that nobody hears the "customer" aka "user" [12:17] <\sh> and if there is someone who listens to them, and trying to fulfill their wishes, he's the bad guy :( [12:17] ack: full ack [12:18] <\sh> amu: in 2000 I had a nice discussion with bob young [12:18] <\sh> amu: i told him, he should focus the work of RH to the desktop [12:18] <\sh> amu: the answer was: no, we will focus on the server market.. [12:19] :) well dont forget tha ian also earn cash from packaging debs for HP [12:19] deb's and RPM's [12:20] <\sh> amu: but even at this time, I was right, the desktop is the answer to raise money and to a leader..the server market is ok, but there are only a few customers who are using those big solutions..the mass is the noob user [12:20] <\sh> amu: and this is why he's whining [12:20] <\sh> not because that ubuntu is walking straight on the hall of fame ;) [12:21] <\sh> redhat, novell/suse - they're not talking about ubuntu at all, they're not focused to the base [12:21] <\sh> mandrake is trying to fly their own plane, with buying conectiva and specialising on a special (south american and french) market [12:21] so it is ... and most people forget 95% of all people never got in touch with linux, if you want a market for them, you must listen to them not the 0.0001% of the geeks === hhup [~hhup@i-83-67-16-178.freedom2surf.net] has joined #kubuntu [12:23] <\sh> and finally it was only a question of time...if mark can make some bucks with a good linux OS, why not. if the distribution is nice and is running out of the box -> go on, earn the bucks, and give the users what they want [12:23] \sh, gentoo already has dbus and hald...i had them all working on gentoo [12:23] \sh, you have to pay attention to all the packages that gentoo has [12:23] <\sh> blinking colours with flying icons and shadows under the windows ,) [12:23] \sh, not just what is installed [12:24] SA could be an clever idea, cause in feature brasil will ban all MS soft :) [12:24] <\sh> whiskers: well, they have it inside, but it's not implemented in their system. it's experimental or at least testing stage === hhup [~hhup@i-83-67-16-178.freedom2surf.net] has joined #kubuntu [12:26] <\sh> whiskers: and the last round release was 2004.2, 2004.3 was crap and 2005.0 (even better then 2004.3) was sewed with a hot needle [12:26] \sh, well with gentoo...everything is in place to compile whatever you want and try to use it....it doesn't matter if it is in the testing stage [12:27] \sh, well i have 2005..but i have no machine to look at it...but doesn't matter....they have all the packages [12:27] soo, i'm out for breakfast [12:27] <\sh> whiskers: yepp...and for a testing system quite nice :) but on my laptop it was nice as well, but nicer then ubuntu? no [12:27] \sh, i kind of like this ubuntu for its simplicity....and i can compile manually anything they have wrong === \sh is up for the bed ;) [12:28] sh: *g* n8 [12:28] \sh, well beauty is in the eye of the beholder [12:29] <\sh> whiskers: in the end: *bsd is the winner ;) [12:30] <\sh> ok guys..good night...cu in the morning :) [12:31] bsd sucks === sepe [~sepe@226.Red-81-39-40.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu === sepe is now known as novoiperhe [12:33] damn, he already left [12:34] omg.. i just installed program called "Ipodder" it copied all files from /home/toni to /opt/iPodder and i ran out of space... then i removed the files from console and should have space now but i cant log in... i got only error of disk space :S is this some virus? what should i do? === Gavrila [~stefy@62-101-126-230.fastres.net] has joined #kubuntu [12:36] shouldn't be virus [12:36] \sh, well...money wise BSD wins...but intelligence wise...Linux wins [12:37] sdogi: so.. then what? [12:37] i had something similar with apollon some days ago, it copied everything from my home folder to ~/.apollon i think, pretty strange === amu- [~amu@CPE-60-225-18-37.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has left #kubuntu [] === ubuntu [~ubuntu@ip68-10-139-214.hr.hr.cox.net] has joined #kubuntu === ubuntu is now known as pr3vi0uz [12:41] sup poeple [12:41] this is very nice ! === krousty [~krousty@languedoc-3-82-224-70-129.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu === krousty [~krousty@languedoc-3-82-224-70-129.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu === blenderhead [~blenderhe@adsl-157-192-125.jax.bellsouth.net] has joined #kubuntu === KaiL [KaiL@pD9E33C15.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu === chavo [~chavo@153.sub-166-153-57.myvzw.com] has joined #kubuntu [01:02] umm [01:02] does any talk here lol === KaiL [KaiL@p50819F9B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu === chavo [~chavo@153.sub-166-153-57.myvzw.com] has joined #kubuntu === fnava [~fnava@201.137.184.218] has joined #kubuntu [01:12] \sh, are you still here [01:13] your the first person that spoke lol === judax [~troy@adsl-69-149-119-9.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has joined #kubuntu === stelt [~stelt@dabrick1.kabel.utwente.nl] has joined #kubuntu === verden01 [~verden@61.68.234.97] has joined #kubuntu [01:36] Hi === judax [~troy@adsl-69-149-119-9.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has joined #kubuntu === judax is now known as judax_ === judax_ is now known as judax === judax is now known as judax_ === billytwowilly [~chris@S0106000c413a2c0c.ed.shawcable.net] has joined #kubuntu [01:43] look at these recommendations for linux at slashdot...how do people conclude this: [01:44] Remove all non-Joe User stuff from the usermode GUI. Joe User does not need to get intimate details on the north bridge in his system. [01:44] why are slashdotters saying these things? [01:44] a friend of mine sent me the link ot that article as well === judax [~troy@adsl-69-149-119-9.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has joined #kubuntu [01:46] well i think it is important for Joe User to know the differerence between the north bridge and the south bridge and how to tweak them [01:47] i agree [01:47] some users will never need ot know that stuff but some do [01:47] and look at this comment...it is even worse: [01:47] also make it a requirement that software vendors *can't* stick their name all over the PC. I don't want a big fat ELECTRONIC ARTS\MY GAME\UNINSTALL MY GAME in my start menu. [01:47] yeah === Mestapheles [~Captain@d142-59-231-163.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #kubuntu === judax [~troy@adsl-69-149-119-9.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has joined #kubuntu === incubii [incubii@cor9-ppp669.hay.dialup.connect.net.au] has joined #kubuntu === incubii [incubii@cor9-ppp669.hay.dialup.connect.net.au] has left #kubuntu [] === incubii [incubii@61.68.44.161] has joined #kubuntu === incubii [incubii@cor9-ppp669.hay.dialup.connect.net.au] has joined #kubuntu === JuNkPhreak [~JuNkPhrea@junkphreak.us] has joined #kubuntu === unnamed1 [~unnamed1@64-252-41-163.adsl.snet.net] has left #kubuntu ["Konversation] === judax [~troy@adsl-69-149-119-9.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has joined #kubuntu === __2 [~mrgibson@Quebec-HSE-ppp211800.qc.sympatico.ca] has joined #kubuntu === torpid [debian-tor@90e9d9a0f56cd7f7.node.tor] has joined #KUBUNTU === JuNkPhreak [~JuNkPhrea@junkphreak.us] has joined #kubuntu === verden01 [~verden@61.68.234.97] has joined #kubuntu === JuNkPhreak [~JuNkPhrea@junkphreak.us] has joined #kubuntu [02:02] how are we today people [02:03] good [02:03] u [02:04] has anyone tried the breezy repositories ? === kakalto [~kakalto@wired-210-54-56-192.ps.net.nz] has joined #kubuntu [02:05] using them here [02:05] currently fontconfig is broken [02:09] i done a dist-upgrade on my AMD 64 and it wouldn't install lib64 something so i still have a standard hoary system [02:09] just gone back to the hoary repositories [02:10] i also tried to install vmware with no success === _tibal [~tibal@candide.tibal.fr.eu.org] has joined #kubuntu [02:11] no idea, this CPU is 32bit only ;) [02:11] k [02:12] well i'll just stick to hoary :-) [02:12] now this is an interesting consideration for all those people who would like standards for linux [02:12] Why Standarize when you can improve [02:12] Yes, that's right who needs stupid HTML 4.01 conformance? Let's add a blink tag! No, wait, let's add Document.Layers! And Document.All! And Iframes! And Marquees! And ActiveX! [02:12] Who needs standards, anyway? === hhup [~hhup@i-83-67-16-178.freedom2surf.net] has joined #kubuntu [02:13] :-) [02:13] sometimes those slashdotters say the strangest things === martin [~martin@154.80-202-243.nextgentel.com] has joined #kubuntu [02:14] well i had to break most of the ubuntu standards just to get some stuff working for example scummvm in synaptic is way out of date...and the latest stable version to compile required several changes in the libraries === kkathman [kkathman@12.158.247.33] has joined #kubuntu [02:15] verden01, im running on breezy at work [02:15] greetings all :) [02:15] is it ok? [02:15] hey incubii :) hows things :) [02:15] yea it works great for the moment [02:15] incubii, do youcome from Hay? [02:15] hey kkathman [02:16] things are good if i could finish my uni assignment === Blissex [~Blissex@82-69-39-138.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has left #KUbuntu ["Konversation] [02:16] :P [02:16] kkathman, do you have time to test a couple of things with me today regarding this file upload stuff [02:16] whiskers well I am out of town, but have my laptop here... so I cant guarantee anything :) [02:17] kkathman, well do you have skype [02:17] kkathman, installed [02:17] whiskers nope cuz im on a windoze box...can I download it from somewhere? [02:17] kkathman, i would like to know if the file upload in skype can pierce this NAT and private non-routable addresses stuff [02:17] kkathman, yes...there is a free windows version [02:17] kkathman, just google for skype.org or something like that [02:18] whiskers ahh...ok...let me see if I can find it ..one moment [02:18] whiskers is it a telephone program? === tibal_ [~tibal@82.232.88.10] has joined #kubuntu [02:18] internet telephone? [02:19] kkathman, yes...but i am not testing that...i am trying to get a mechanism to upload files [02:19] kkathman, from non-routable IPs [02:19] I see...well I am downloading now [02:20] whiskers I am about 1500 miles from my residence at the moment :) === Borg^Queen [~Borg^Quee@h-67-101-250-54.nycmny83.dynamic.covad.net] has joined #kubuntu [02:21] Hello people/ [02:21] kkathman got drunk and woke up in a ditch in the middle of no where :P [02:22] kkathman, well it should not make any difference wherever you are at....just remember what name and password you choose for skype [02:22] whiskers okie dokie I have it installed...let me fill in this stuff here [02:23] kkathman, ok fill it in...and tell me the location you choose to have as permanent and your skype user name and i will look you up and try to IM you and upload a file....you can abort if it begins to upload or just delete it if it works [02:24] kkathman, this non-routable IP stuff in NAT is for the birds [02:25] whiskers ok I guess Im ready [02:25] kkathman, ok you can pm me here with your skype user name and location if you don't want to post it in this main channel [02:26] whiskers okie dokie..done [02:28] remoin [02:29] amu: heritaged Riddells working rythm ;) [02:31] allee: hehehehe, not at all, moved to another TZ :) === guran [~guran@one08.rsn.bth.se] has joined #kubuntu [02:33] amu: not my first wrong guess. Next try: I'm use the wether there is better than here in Germany. Rains like cat and dogs. Don't rush to return [02:34] well it's late. Bye === martin [~martin@154.80-202-243.nextgentel.com] has joined #kubuntu === martin is now known as manlord [02:35] allee: ack :) waether is perfect [02:36] weather even [02:36] amu: washing_maschine_points++; /* nite */ [02:36] Hi, is there a command to get new programs to enter the menu system by auto, or must I use kmenuedit? [02:38] guran: depends, there are 2 ways, one is the correct .desktop file in the right folder, the other is update menu with postinstall, and the 3rd ismanual by kmenuedit === dewey [~dewey@c-67-160-122-96.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu [02:40] guran: right folder == one of: kde-config --path xdgdata-apps [02:43] amu: I think I have used a package called 'menu_edit_tool' or something in Slackware, that runs through all packages and can be added to the existing menu system. [02:49] guran: we have no such program in debian, we add the programs while installing the debs === nakata [~kvirc@alyson.feriteninjas.com] has joined #kubuntu [02:53] amu: I dont understand what kde-config is, it is more than three years since I used a debian box, I will look around. => Thanks === KaiL [KaiL@pD95D5F8F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu === KaiL [KaiL@pD9E33BB6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu [03:07] part === guran [~guran@one08.rsn.bth.se] has left #kubuntu ["Konversation] [03:12] oin #sexygnupr0n [03:12] ...shimata === nakata = busted === KaiL_ [KaiL@pD9E338ED.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu === spiderworm [~spiderwor@ip68-3-31-10.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #kubuntu === meng [~meng@219.95.187.192] has joined #kubuntu === guran [~guran@one08.rsn.bth.se] has joined #kubuntu [03:29] is there a way to get kubuntu to hibernate on a laptop? [03:29] S3 or S4? [03:30] i dont know what S3 and S4 are [03:30] S3 suspend to RAM [03:30] S4 suspend to disk [03:30] S3 doesn't work that often, S4 works for 90% and damages the system for some others [03:31] amu: I found, the program I was looking for and it was allready installed = kappfinder [03:32] works for all apps execpt kde :) === paulproteus [~paulprote@h-67-102-97-191.mclnva23.covad.net] has joined #kubuntu [03:33] f*cking usb-storage [03:34] why doesn't it work here? no errors at all... [03:36] amu: you were right, I had to manually install kmenuedit. === mfilizzi [~mfilizzi@pcp05017262pcs.blumtn01.pa.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu [03:37] anyone tried Libranet 3? [03:37] guran: if you install also universe , dont forget installl "menu" [03:38] W: Unable to locate package Libranet [03:38] E: No packages found === wirwzd [~wirwzd@c-24-218-115-209.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu === Zugot [~bryan@pcp0010860530pcs.longhl01.md.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu [03:44] amu: I use universe, but I don't understand what app 'menu' is. === GammaRay [~GammaRay@adsl-68-122-194-242.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #kubuntu === bretzel [~bretzel@modemcable128.237-130-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #kubuntu [03:45] so if ubuntu means humanity.. what does kubuntu mean? [03:45] KaiL_: i dont know which one i would like to do. i suppose to disk if possible because there prolly isnt enough RAM [03:46] Q: Why running kde session, the fonts are all bigger than all others window managers ? [03:48] amu: I did a 'apt-cache search menu' and learned to install it, there should be a 'debian cook book'. Thanks. === pixelin [~pixelin@cm-83-97-224-8.telecable.es] has joined #kubuntu [03:48] I can't find any hints why kde show fonts bigger... using 75dpi font instead of 100dpi ? ?? I dunno so no one knows why ? [03:48] bretzel: all my fonts got bigger when i got the NVIDIA driver installed. could this have happened to you? === pixelin [~pixelin@cm-83-97-224-8.telecable.es] has left #kubuntu ["Konversation] [03:49] spiderworm: no - Only in KDE - gnome; xfce; shows fonts the same size, thus KDE shows , let say 10pt fonts bigger than in gnome or xfce === mmuzzy [~mmuzzy@ip24-250-44-152.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #kubuntu [03:52] KaiL_: how would i set up an S4? [03:52] good question - ask google ;) [03:53] google: how would i set up an S4? [03:53] oh thats not what you mean ;) [03:53] brb === KaiL [KaiL@pD95D58E8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu [03:56] hmm [03:56] Timing buffered disk reads: 20 MB in 3.30 seconds = 6.06 MB/sec [03:56] my USB stick :) [03:57] the old harddisk wasn't that much faster(14MB/s) [03:57] KaiL: :-) [03:58] that's what I call a real hardware upgrade :) [03:58] the new HD has 55MB/s :) [04:00] next update will come with the time, we have 200MB/s *g* [04:02] if i have 3 split binary files with the prefix of blah wouldn't i type for i infile blah* do cat $i >> targetfile; ? === jiger [~jiger@203.94.212.15] has joined #kubuntu [04:03] hi all. I had a question about nvidia drivers if anyone can guide me? [04:03] just ask [04:04] is there any difference between nvidia drivers via apt-get- install nvidia-glx and the official ones? [04:04] if it's anything like ati probably open gl support [04:04] the apt-get ones are a bit easier to install [04:04] esp. the kernel-module [04:04] as in I presume nvidia-glx is simply repackaged version of official but saw some post saying the official ones are better etc [04:05] nonsense. [04:05] maybe they are newer, but that's all [04:05] 7174 in hoary [04:05] I am trying to install official driversb ut giving me problems such as can't find gcc, kernel headers, nvidia kernel header etc [04:06] 7174 latest [04:06] -> exactly the same files. [04:06] thats why he was recomending using apt-get [04:06] Wow I have downloaded the "latest" version from nvidia and it is the same version as u mention!! [04:06] recommending === rockie [~rockie@61.190.65.219] has joined #kubuntu [04:06] KaiL, he is a little slow i take it didn't you just say that ;) [04:06] hmm can anyone then confirm the FPS u r getting with it by running glxgears [04:06] :) [04:07] 4000 [04:07] which card, which cpu? [04:07] NVIDIA Corporation NV5M64 [RIVA TNT2 Model 64/Model 64 Pro] [04:08] cpu intel P4 1.7ghz [04:08] uuuuuaaaahaaa [04:08] get a much much better card, if you even think about doing some 3D [04:08] I am getting the following output from glxgears [04:08] 817 frames in 5.0 seconds = 163.400 FPS [04:08] 931 frames in 5.0 seconds = 186.200 FPS [04:08] 1013 frames in 5.0 seconds = 202.600 FPS [04:08] I bet I'm faster in software here :p [04:09] 988 frames in 5.0 seconds = 197.600 FPS [04:09] as I said :)) [04:09] 1412 frames in 5.0 seconds = 282.400 FPS === bretzel [~bretzel@modemcable128.237-130-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #kubuntu [04:09] 1375 frames in 5.0 seconds = 275.000 FPS [04:09] 1478 frames in 5.0 seconds = 295.600 FPS [04:09] 1335 frames in 5.0 seconds = 267.000 FPS [04:09] 1247 frames in 5.0 seconds = 249.400 FPS [04:09] 1201 frames in 5.0 seconds = 240.200 FPS [04:09] 1178 frames in 5.0 seconds = 235.600 FPS [04:09] 440 frames in 5.0 seconds = 88.000 FPS [04:09] 599 frames in 5.0 seconds = 119.800 FPS [04:09] 611 frames in 5.0 seconds = 122.200 FPS [04:09] 630 frames in 5.0 seconds = 126.000 FPS [04:09] 627 frames in 5.0 seconds = 125.400 FPS [04:09] 627 frames in 5.0 seconds = 125.400 FPS [04:09] ok ok ok... so 300 with wind from backwards and downhill ;) [04:09] 626 frames in 5.0 seconds = 125.200 FPS [04:10] 571 frames in 5.0 seconds = 114.200 FPS [04:10] call noha there is a flood :) [04:10] 563 frames in 5.0 seconds = 112.600 FPS [04:10] 564 frames in 5.0 seconds = 112.800 FPS [04:10] good enough with nvidia enabled? [04:10] its a 32 MB mem card [04:10] is the FPS good enough? coz composite etc are quite slow [04:10] :) [04:10] well, the card is a 6 or 7 year old lowend-card... [04:11] so you can expect it to be veeeeeeery slow [04:11] as it is, I get 350fps in Software mode here [04:11] uh... how are you getting those specs ? - what program ? [04:11] well purchased it around 2-3 yrs ago.....what wud be a good card now from nvidia? not very high end ones? [04:12] oh, even 400 ;) [04:12] glxgears [04:12] 2-3 years ago? [04:12] jiger: thanks ...and which resolution ? [04:12] yes.... [04:12] I hope for <10$ [04:12] 1280x1024 [04:13] okay :-) [04:13] Kail:? [04:13] Kail? any good card from nvidia u recommend? [04:13] Kail: but I don't want super hi-fi gaming ones coz I am not into that kind of stuff [04:14] try to get a passive cooled GeForce FX5200 [04:14] ok [04:14] if you really want nVidia [04:14] ya [04:14] if don't game, think about a matrox [04:14] even an old G200 should be faster then your :P [04:15] I think I will stay with nvidia.....not wanting to get into other cards [04:15] than.. [04:15] KaiL: maybe [04:15] Kail: just wantd to make sure I am not losing out on performance [04:15] 5232 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1046.400 FPS [04:16] jiger: the TNT2M64 should be even slow in 2D ;) [04:17] Kail: nope [04:18] actually wanted to use true transparency for my panel but guess have to be happy this way :) [04:18] Asus V9520-X/TD seams to be ok [04:18] passive, has DVI (nice, if you want to get a TFT soon) and not that expensive [04:18] the problem with all those fancy cards is lack of support from os when u buy them :) [04:19] not really [04:19] I don't know any 3D card, which doesn't work on LInux [04:19] ATI etc are well established but u must be seeing problems on the net with them and linux on and off [04:19] only the ATI IGP (onboard shit) is 2D only [04:19] I have not seen such massive problem people having wiht nvidia atleast === KaiL remembers ATI drivers from Windows days - awefull! === mainer1 [~mainer3@bb-205-209-66-149.gwi.net] has joined #kubuntu [04:20] but I am happy my java apps run fast thats all I need. just wished composite ran as fast [04:20] win16-based config tools :) [04:21] I got a new Mainboard for my PC today (as the Socket 7-System was REALLY outdated) [04:21] I needed to change 3 things: [04:22] how do u query "installed apps for info? [04:22] reconfigure the hardware sensors, installing acpid and get used not to have a slow computer any more :) [04:23] infos about an installed package? === verden01 [~verden@61.68.234.97] has joined #kubuntu [04:23] ya I mean I want to list all installed packages on my system [04:23] dpkg -p for the details (small p! big one would uninstall) and dpkg -L for the filelist [04:23] ah [04:23] dpkg -l [04:24] and how about wiht full indo like where it is installed, the dependencies that it had etc? === GammaRay [~GammaRay@adsl-68-122-194-242.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has left #kubuntu ["some] [04:24] full info [04:25] look at my last long line :) [04:25] ohh query each package hmm [04:26] do you want to find "zombies"? [04:26] there are 2 nice tools for that: [04:26] deborphan to show libs, which aren't depended by any app === TechLord [~jason@24-197-217-23.roc.mn.charter.com] has joined #kubuntu [04:27] and debfoster, where you can go through a list of all packages which could be uninstalled without needing to remove others - that helps to keep the system cleen [04:27] Kail: ok... [04:28] Kail: what good firewalls are available for Kubuntu? [04:28] I come from freebsd background and had enjoyed real firewalls like IPFilter, IPW, and....PF [04:28] anyones as such for linux? [04:28] there's a firewall integrated in the kernel - google for iptables :) [04:28] I think firestarter is gtk? [04:29] firestarter is a iptables-frontend [04:29] the ui [04:29] no idea, if there's such a thing for KDE [04:29] my firewall is to have all ports closed *gg* [04:29] is it?? read somewhere firestarter comes with its firewall blah blah... === membreya [~membreya@c211-28-78-53.sunsh3.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #kubuntu [04:29] nop [04:30] can't live without a good firewall as well [04:30] no PF shit on Linux (afaik) [04:30] PF is rock solid firewall man [04:30] comes from openbsd stable [04:30] wish pf was ported to linux [04:31] thought about "personal firewall" which "pf" :) === pixil9 [~pixil9@S01060006250d79e7.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #kubuntu [04:31] kde too has some good firewall tool, need ot rechack with the tuts on the net === pixil9 [~pixil9@S01060006250d79e7.cg.shawcable.net] has left #kubuntu ["Leaving"] [04:31] no pf is a very good firewall written by OpenBSD guys [04:31] very very powerful [04:32] ...those nice blinking windows tools "the bad guy tried to hack you, but our great firewall stopped him" ;) [04:32] has been out of touch of linux for around 4-5 yrs so just updating the database ;-) [04:32] worked on fbsd for a long time [04:33] I never worked with *BSD yet [04:33] but the lack of proper java support brought me back for Linux [04:33] hmm, but now I have a workless K6-2/500 :)) [04:33] is there any way with kontact for it to automatically do a popup with to-dos....shitty software..or shitty me :| [04:33] KaiL: use it and u will never look back....except in situations like mine [04:34] I use Linux because I want a system, where every hardware works [04:34] I hate to fight with broken drivers as on Windows [04:34] my hardware doesnt work :P can't get 3d accelaration to work with my geforce 4000 [04:34] :P [04:34] KaiL: same thing in fbsd too. everything works [04:35] and to fight with missing drivers isn't that much better I guess [04:35] even some silly sata controllers? [04:35] KaiL: I never had to struggle and same with n number of users [04:35] sta has problems in linux too [04:35] sata [04:35] what problems jiger ? :| [04:36] membreya: driver issues or not owrking hardware....read it in passing somewhere off the net === joel [~joel@adsl-67-66-249-119.dsl.okcyok.swbell.net] has joined #kubuntu [04:36] but not running such hardware so not inrested :) [04:36] membreya: 3D on nvidia -> install nvidia-glx and set the driver in /etc/X11/xorg.conf to "nvidia" (should be "nv" now..) [04:36] my nforce3 SATA driver works perfectly :| but yes there are SOME problems with some of the cards :) [04:37] karltk: lol already tried that :) [04:37] KaiL: even :| [04:37] i believe it has to do with cat /proc/driver/nvidia/agp/status showing disabled [04:37] another nforce3-user here :) [04:37] << Asus K8N [04:38] that and I can't use renderaccel (known bug) [04:39] Kail: used Guarddog firewall? [04:39] jiger: nop === claydoh [~claydoh@65.99.187.170] has joined #kubuntu [04:40] KaiL: people seems to be praising firestarter let me give it a try [04:41] membreya: amd64-agp is loaded? [04:41] that's a module? :| lol [04:41] lsmod |grep agp shows nothing [04:41] yes [04:41] could be the problem..:) [04:41] FATAL: Module amd64_agp not found. [04:41] - not _ [04:42] dher me :P [04:42] i did use - :| [04:42] hmm... [04:42] KaiL: what firewall do u use? firestarter is wanting x number of gnome libraries to install...Damn [04:42] and agpgart? [04:42] jiger: none [04:42] no open ports -> nothing to hack [04:43] KaiL: when u are connected to the net? using some software listening on a port then? [04:43] say p2p apps? unless u don't use them either :) === _ReDRuM_ [~windows@cpc1-brig4-5-0-cust169.brig.cable.ntl.com] has joined #kubuntu [04:43] I don't [04:44] <_ReDRuM_> uhh... wtf was that [04:44] <_ReDRuM_> Xorg just used over a gig of RAM [04:44] <_ReDRuM_> i had to switch to a console and send it sig 11 to get rid of it [04:44] ooops [04:44] ATI? :) [04:44] <_ReDRuM_> yeah [04:44] KaiL: agpgart isn't showing in my lsmod.... yet it states it's loading in dmesg [04:44] <_ReDRuM_> what makes you think it's the ATI driver? [04:44] I love that company.....:) === jsgotangco [~jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #kubuntu [04:45] membreya: selfmade kernel? [04:45] KaiL: straight out of the box [04:45] hmm... that one has agpgart as a module... [04:45] uname -a = Linux diab 2.6.10-5-amd64-generic [04:45] <_ReDRuM_> membreya: you got intel or other agp gart? [04:45] <_ReDRuM_> im guessing other with an amd64 :) [04:45] lsmod | grep agp [04:45] amd64_agp 11336 1 [04:45] agpgart 33704 2 drm,amd64_agp === brandon [~brandon@c-24-128-224-224.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu [04:46] <_ReDRuM_> membreya: modprove amd64_agp ? [04:46] <_ReDRuM_> s/modprove/modprobe/ [04:46] oops, it was _? [04:46] sorry :) === KaiL hides [04:47] _ReDRuM_: how do I find out the AGP controller? and amd64_agp and amd64-agp says not found [04:47] <_ReDRuM_> lspci | grep -i agp [04:47] uhm [04:47] 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV18 [GeForce4 MX 4000 AGP 8x] (rev c1) [04:47] the file is amd64-agp, but in lsmod it's amd64_agp [04:47] ...silly [04:48] <_ReDRuM_> he doesnt have a PCI bridge for AGP? odd... [04:48] cat /proc/driver/nvidia/agp/host-bridge [04:48] Host Bridge: PCI device 10de:00e1 (nVidia Corporation) [04:48] Fast Writes: Supported [04:48] SBA: Supported [04:48] AGP Rates: 8x 4x [04:48] Registers: 0x1f00421b:0x00000001 [04:48] i need help to enable 3d support with my ati card, even with fglrx installed [04:48] _ReDRuM_: it has 2 unnamed PCI bridges in 0000:00:0b.0 and 0000:00:0e.0 [04:49] and 0000:00:05.0 is also named bridge :) === utta [~brandon@c-24-128-224-224.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu [04:49] <_ReDRuM_> oh right - you lost me system buses isn't my strongest point [04:49] membreya: strange, with 2.6.10-5-k7 I have the amd64-agp module [04:49] northbridge is AMD, PCI Bridge is nvidia [04:49] k8? [04:50] shouldnt that be k8? :| [04:50] <_ReDRuM_> do kubuntu even do a k8 kernel? [04:50] indeedy [04:50] <_ReDRuM_> cool. [04:50] and even a k8-smp :P [04:50] but that one needs a 64Bit K8 I guess === _ReDRuM_ nods approvingly === bc_ [~bc@cpe-24-90-94-112.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #kubuntu [04:51] maybe i should go from generic to k8 [04:51] the Sempron here is 32Bit only [04:51] <_ReDRuM_> now they need to stop my Xorg from allocating a gig of ram when im in the middle of coding and we're all set [04:51] damnit I have 4 days uptime [04:51] lol [04:51] I'm determined to go 1week === KaiL had more reboots today than in the last 2 years together [04:51] lol :P [04:52] <_ReDRuM_> woo vim recover rules :) [04:52] anyone here good with bash? curious would this work for i infile blah* do cat $i >>bigsplitfilecomplete; ? [04:53] <_ReDRuM_> yup [04:53] <_ReDRuM_> but cat blah* >>bigfile would work too [04:53] they where only to find out, that the broken usb-storage doesn't have to do with the new board (but with a missing sd_mod) [04:53] <_ReDRuM_> it's for i in blah*; do chat $i >>bigfile; done [04:53] and that I was to stupid to put an audio cable into the right place [04:53] <_ReDRuM_> s/chat/cat/ [04:54] <_ReDRuM_> but theres no need cause cat blah* >>bigfile works too [04:54] <_ReDRuM_> bash expands the file names on the command line [04:54] maybe I should install the latest kernel (11) just for fun :) [04:54] <_ReDRuM_> membreya: i heard its horrible and buggy in kubuntu and u shouldnt... [04:54] <_ReDRuM_> but go ahead and let me know [04:54] :| [04:54] <_ReDRuM_> cause i havent risked it after that rumor :) [04:54] damnit why can't I modprobe amd64-agp [04:54] here it hung with 2.6.11-1-k7 while login into KDE [04:54] wow...there is a huge slashdot response on Bush proposed Draconian measures for file uploaders [04:55] <_ReDRuM_> slashdork [04:55] membreya: maybe modprobe amd64_agp? :) [04:55] <_ReDRuM_> that site used to be so much better :/ [04:55] KaiL: tried both [04:55] _ReDRuM_, well i think you should see the [04:55] 'd [04:55]