[12:01] <whiskers> easyease, and these damn NAT routers give you private not public addresses or IP's
[12:01] <easyease> ah i wondered why that was
[12:02] <whiskers> easyease, so i am trying to find a solution....but it just isn't easy
[12:02] <whiskers> easyease, i worked on it all day the other day with kkathman
[12:02] <whiskers> easyease, but there just is a serious problem with NAT
[12:02] <amu-> \sh: i'm woundert from where the other small distros get their deb's, i cannot believe they package for their own.... any url from ian's blog ? looks like i missed something in the last days  
[12:03] <whiskers> amu, i don't know if it really works...but look at alien....take a tarball and try to make a deb with it....it might work
[12:03] <easyease> wish i couldgive you good advice mate
[12:03] <\sh> amu: I wrote a trackback to his article...http://linux.blogweb.de/
[12:04] <\sh> amu: first article...links to ian are in the top part of the text
[12:05] <\sh> amu: ian is concerned, that ubtunus debs will be incompatible with debians ;)
[12:05] <whiskers> \sh, well ian is right...ubuntu is quite a bit different from debian...but still as far as i know complies with free issuance
[12:06] <whiskers> \sh, so just a different type of debian...i suppose
[12:07] <whiskers> \sh, but debian has been playing some sick games on the public....and using only software that is 50years old...while people have been taking the new gnu software and recompiling it with windows widgets to sell it to the public
[12:07] <\sh> whiskers: right, but he doesn't like it, that ubuntu is marching on, too far away from the mother of all debian distris
[12:07] <whiskers> \sh, well i understand that....but any deb distro can get the same files for their distro
[12:07] <\sh> whiskers: I'm not with ian :) I like the idea of forking
[12:08] <whiskers> \sh, they are mostly getting them from gentoo anyway
[12:08] <whiskers> \sh, just not all of them
[12:08] <\sh> whiskers: finally gentoo is a good source
[12:08] <\sh> and at least, everybody can use opensource to bugfix their own tree
[12:09] <\sh> but I don't like the thoughts of ian...u know..he is frightend, just because of his own company
[12:09] <\sh> IMHO !
[12:09] <whiskers> \sh, well gentoo is the best...but it is not for everybody
[12:10] <\sh> whiskers: I hope it stays the best, cause right now, a couple of good devs are running away
[12:10] <whiskers> \sh, and anyway if ubuntu ever did get something that gentoo doesn't have....any gentoo person knows how to use alien to get the ubuntu deb and put it on  gentoo
[12:11] <whiskers> \sh, but ubuntu is a very easy system for beginners
[12:11] <\sh> whiskers: i think this will never happen ;)
[12:11] <\sh> whiskers: not only for beginners...for semi-pros or pros as well, it runs thats it..someone can work with it
[12:12] <\sh> ok..one last cigarette 
[12:12] <\sh> time to go to bed
[12:12] <whiskers> \sh, yes it is usable but it takes some work...and there are still a few problems
[12:14] <\sh> whiskers: believe me, I'm a gentoo geek, and when I saw the clean desktop and dbos and hald etc. I was amazed...gentoo needs that
[12:14] <\sh> but didn't implement it for 2005.0 so..now I'm staying with (k)ubuntu and work with it..thats all.
[12:15] <\sh> if I'm waiting for patch to be included in the gentoo tree, or wait here...doesn't matter :) 
[12:15] <amu-> \sh: he's right, a common problem is that debian still use xfree, so packages are never compatible 
[12:16] <\sh> amu: but this is not ubuntus problem...it's debians..as I said in my article...if they're not listening to the user, someone will
[12:16] <\sh> the problem with opensource software and especially linux distribution is, that nobody hears the "customer" aka "user"
[12:17] <\sh> and if there is someone who listens to them, and trying to fulfill their wishes, he's the bad guy :(
[12:17] <amu-> ack: full ack 
[12:18] <\sh> amu: in 2000 I had a nice discussion with bob young
[12:18] <\sh> amu: i told him, he should focus the work of RH to the desktop
[12:18] <\sh> amu: the answer was: no, we will focus on the server market..
[12:19] <amu-> :) well dont forget tha ian also earn cash from packaging debs for HP 
[12:19] <amu-> deb's and RPM's 
[12:20] <\sh> amu: but even at this time, I was right, the desktop is the answer to raise money and to a leader..the server market is ok, but there are only a few customers who are using those big solutions..the mass is the noob user 
[12:20] <\sh> amu: and this is why he's whining 
[12:20] <\sh> not because that ubuntu is walking straight on the hall of fame ;)
[12:21] <\sh> redhat, novell/suse - they're not talking about ubuntu at all, they're not focused to the base
[12:21] <\sh> mandrake is trying to fly their own plane, with buying conectiva and specialising on a special (south american and french) market
[12:21] <amu-> so it is ... and most people forget 95% of all people never got in touch with linux, if you want a market for them, you must listen to them not the 0.0001% of the geeks   
[12:23] <\sh> and finally it was only a question of time...if mark can make some bucks with a good linux OS, why not. if the distribution is nice and is running out of the box -> go on, earn the bucks, and give the users what they want
[12:23] <whiskers> \sh, gentoo already has dbus and hald...i had them all working on gentoo
[12:23] <whiskers> \sh, you have to pay attention to all the packages that gentoo has
[12:23] <\sh> blinking colours with flying icons and shadows under the windows ,)
[12:23] <whiskers> \sh, not just what is installed
[12:24] <amu-> SA could be an clever idea, cause in feature brasil will ban all MS soft :) 
[12:24] <\sh> whiskers: well, they have it inside, but it's not implemented in their system. it's experimental or at least testing stage
[12:26] <\sh> whiskers: and the last round release was 2004.2, 2004.3 was crap and 2005.0 (even better then 2004.3) was sewed with a hot needle
[12:26] <whiskers> \sh, well with gentoo...everything is in place to compile whatever you want and try to use it....it doesn't matter if it is in the testing stage
[12:27] <whiskers> \sh, well i have 2005..but i have no machine to look at it...but doesn't matter....they have all the packages
[12:27] <amu-> soo, i'm out for breakfast 
[12:27] <\sh> whiskers: yepp...and for a testing system quite nice :) but on my laptop it was nice as well, but nicer then ubuntu? no
[12:27] <whiskers> \sh, i kind of like this ubuntu for its simplicity....and i can compile manually anything they have wrong
[12:28] <amu-> sh: *g* n8 
[12:28] <whiskers> \sh, well beauty is in the eye of the beholder
[12:29] <\sh> whiskers: in the end: *bsd is the winner ;)
[12:30] <\sh> ok guys..good night...cu in the morning :)
[12:31] <sdogi> bsd sucks
[12:33] <sdogi> damn, he already left
[12:34] <novoiperhe> omg.. i just installed program called "Ipodder" it copied all files from /home/toni to /opt/iPodder and i ran out of space... then i removed the files from console and should have space now but i cant log in... i got only error of disk space :S is this some virus? what should i do?
[12:36] <sdogi> shouldn't be virus
[12:36] <whiskers> \sh, well...money wise BSD wins...but intelligence wise...Linux wins
[12:37] <novoiperhe> sdogi: so.. then what?
[12:37] <sdogi> i had something similar with apollon some days ago, it copied everything from my home folder to ~/.apollon i think, pretty strange
[12:41] <pr3vi0uz>  sup poeple
[12:41] <pr3vi0uz>  this  is very nice !
[01:02] <pr3vi0uz> umm
[01:02] <pr3vi0uz>  does any talk here lol
[01:12] <whiskers> \sh, are you still here
[01:13] <pr3vi0uz>  your the first person that spoke  lol
[01:36] <verden01> Hi
[01:43] <whiskers> look at these recommendations for linux at slashdot...how do people conclude this:
[01:44] <whiskers> Remove all non-Joe User stuff from the usermode GUI. Joe User does not need to get intimate details on the north bridge in his system.
[01:44] <whiskers> why are slashdotters saying these things?
[01:44] <verden01> a friend of mine sent me the link ot that article as well
[01:46] <whiskers> well i think it is important for Joe User to know the differerence between the north bridge and the south bridge and how to tweak them
[01:47] <verden01> i agree
[01:47] <verden01> some users will never need ot know that stuff but some do
[01:47] <whiskers> and look at this comment...it is even worse:
[01:47] <whiskers> also make it a requirement that software vendors *can't* stick their name all over the PC. I don't want a big fat ELECTRONIC ARTS\MY GAME\UNINSTALL MY GAME in my start menu. 
[01:47] <verden01> yeah
[02:02] <incubii> how are we today people
[02:03] <verden01> good
[02:03] <verden01> u
[02:04] <verden01> has anyone tried the breezy repositories ?
[02:05] <KaiL> using them here
[02:05] <KaiL> currently fontconfig is broken
[02:09] <verden01> i done a dist-upgrade on my AMD 64 and it wouldn't install lib64 something so i still have a standard hoary system
[02:09] <verden01> just gone back to the hoary repositories 
[02:10] <verden01> i also tried to install vmware with no success
[02:11] <KaiL> no idea, this CPU is 32bit only ;)
[02:11] <verden01> k
[02:12] <verden01> well i'll just stick to hoary :-)
[02:12] <whiskers> now this is an interesting consideration for all those people who would like standards for linux
[02:12] <whiskers> Why Standarize when you can improve
[02:12] <whiskers> Yes, that's right who needs stupid HTML 4.01 conformance? Let's add a blink tag! No, wait, let's add Document.Layers! And Document.All! And Iframes! And Marquees! And ActiveX!
[02:12] <whiskers> Who needs standards, anyway? </sarcasm>
[02:13] <verden01> :-)
[02:13] <whiskers> sometimes those slashdotters say the strangest things
[02:14] <whiskers> well i had to break most of the ubuntu standards just to get some stuff working for example scummvm in synaptic is way out of date...and the latest stable version to compile required several changes in the libraries
[02:15] <incubii> verden01, im running on breezy at work
[02:15] <kkathman> greetings all :)
[02:15] <verden01> is it ok?
[02:15] <kkathman> hey incubii :)  hows things :)
[02:15] <incubii> yea it works great for the moment
[02:15] <verden01> incubii, do youcome from Hay?
[02:15] <incubii> hey kkathman
[02:16] <incubii> things are good if i could finish my uni assignment
[02:16] <incubii> :P
[02:16] <whiskers> kkathman, do you have time to test a couple of things with me today regarding this file upload stuff
[02:16] <kkathman> whiskers well I am out of town, but have my laptop here... so I cant guarantee anything :)
[02:17] <whiskers> kkathman, well do you have skype
[02:17] <whiskers> kkathman, installed
[02:17] <kkathman> whiskers  nope  cuz im on a windoze box...can I download it from somewhere?
[02:17] <whiskers> kkathman, i would like to know if the file upload in skype can pierce this NAT and private non-routable addresses stuff
[02:17] <whiskers> kkathman, yes...there is a free windows version
[02:17] <whiskers> kkathman, just google for skype.org or something like that
[02:18] <kkathman> whiskers ahh...ok...let me see if I can find it ..one moment
[02:18] <kkathman> whiskers is it a telephone program?
[02:18] <kkathman> internet telephone?
[02:19] <whiskers> kkathman, yes...but i am not testing that...i am trying to get a mechanism to upload files
[02:19] <whiskers> kkathman, from non-routable IPs
[02:19] <kkathman> I see...well I am downloading now
[02:20] <kkathman> whiskers I am about 1500 miles from my residence at the moment :)
[02:21] <Borg^Queen> Hello people/
[02:21] <incubii> kkathman got drunk and woke up in a ditch in the middle of no where :P
[02:22] <whiskers> kkathman, well it should not make any difference wherever you are at....just remember what name and password you choose for skype
[02:22] <kkathman> whiskers okie dokie I have it installed...let me fill in this stuff here
[02:23] <whiskers> kkathman, ok fill it in...and tell me the location you choose to have as permanent and your skype user name and i will look you up and try to IM you and upload a file....you can abort if it begins to upload or just delete it if it works
[02:24] <whiskers> kkathman, this non-routable IP stuff in NAT is for the birds
[02:25] <kkathman> whiskers ok I guess Im ready
[02:25] <whiskers> kkathman, ok you can pm me here with your skype user name and location if you don't want to post it in this main channel
[02:26] <kkathman> whiskers okie dokie..done
[02:28] <amu> remoin 
[02:29] <allee> amu: heritaged Riddells working rythm ;)
[02:31] <amu> allee: hehehehe, not at all, moved to another TZ :) 
[02:33] <allee> amu: not my first wrong guess.  Next try:  I'm use the wether there is better than here in Germany.  Rains like cat and dogs.  Don't rush to return
[02:34] <allee> well it's late.  Bye
[02:35] <amu> allee: ack :) waether is perfect 
[02:36] <amu> weather even 
[02:36] <allee> amu: washing_maschine_points++;  /* nite */
[02:36] <guran> Hi, is there a command to get new programs to enter the menu system by auto, or must I use kmenuedit?
[02:38] <amu> guran: depends, there are 2 ways, one is the correct .desktop file in the right folder, the other is update menu with postinstall, and the 3rd ismanual by kmenuedit 
[02:40] <allee> guran: right folder == one of: kde-config --path xdgdata-apps  
[02:43] <guran> amu: I think I have used a package called 'menu_edit_tool' or something in Slackware, that runs through all packages and can be added to the existing menu system.
[02:49] <amu> guran: we have no such program in debian, we add the programs while installing the debs
[02:53] <guran> amu: I dont understand what kde-config is, it is more than three years since I used a debian box, I will look around. => Thanks
[03:07] <guran> part
[03:12] <nakata> oin #sexygnupr0n
[03:12] <nakata> ...shimata
[03:29] <spiderworm> is there a way to get kubuntu to hibernate on a laptop?
[03:29] <KaiL_> S3 or S4?
[03:30] <spiderworm> i dont know what S3 and S4 are
[03:30] <KaiL_> S3 suspend to RAM
[03:30] <KaiL_> S4 suspend to disk
[03:30] <KaiL_> S3 doesn't work that often, S4 works for 90% and damages the system for some others
[03:31] <guran> amu: I found, the program I was looking for and it was allready installed = kappfinder
[03:32] <amu> works for all apps execpt kde :) 
[03:33] <KaiL_> f*cking usb-storage
[03:34] <KaiL_> why doesn't it work here? no errors at all...
[03:36] <guran> amu: you were right, I had to manually install kmenuedit.
[03:37] <verden01> anyone tried Libranet 3?
[03:37] <amu> guran: if you install also universe , dont forget installl "menu"
[03:38] <amu> W: Unable to locate package Libranet
[03:38] <amu> E: No packages found
[03:44] <guran> amu: I use universe, but I don't understand what app 'menu' is.
[03:45] <GammaRay> so if ubuntu means humanity.. what does kubuntu mean?
[03:45] <spiderworm> KaiL_: i dont know which one i would like to do.  i suppose to disk if possible because there prolly isnt enough RAM
[03:46] <bretzel>  Q: Why running kde session, the fonts are all bigger than all others window managers ?
[03:48] <guran> amu: I did a 'apt-cache search menu' and learned to install it, there should be a 'debian cook book'. Thanks.
[03:48] <bretzel> I can't find any hints why kde show fonts bigger... using 75dpi font instead of 100dpi ? ?? I dunno so no one knows why ?
[03:48] <spiderworm> bretzel: all my fonts got bigger when i got the NVIDIA driver installed.  could this have happened to you?
[03:49] <bretzel> spiderworm: no - Only in KDE - gnome; xfce; shows fonts the same size, thus KDE shows , let say 10pt fonts bigger than in gnome or xfce
[03:52] <spiderworm> KaiL_: how would i set up an S4?
[03:52] <KaiL_> good question - ask google ;)
[03:53] <spiderworm> google: how would i set up an S4?
[03:53] <spiderworm> oh thats not what you mean ;)
[03:53] <KaiL_> brb
[03:56] <KaiL> hmm
[03:56] <KaiL>  Timing buffered disk reads:   20 MB in  3.30 seconds =   6.06 MB/sec
[03:56] <KaiL> my USB stick :)
[03:57] <KaiL> the old harddisk wasn't that much faster(14MB/s)
[03:57] <bretzel> KaiL: :-) 
[03:58] <KaiL> that's what I call a real hardware upgrade :)
[03:58] <KaiL> the new HD has 55MB/s :)
[04:00] <KaiL> next update will come with the time, we have 200MB/s *g*
[04:02] <delltony> if i have 3 split binary files with the prefix of blah  wouldn't i type for i infile blah* do cat $i >> targetfile;  ? 
[04:03] <jiger> hi all. I had a question about nvidia drivers if anyone can guide me?
[04:03] <KaiL> just ask
[04:04] <jiger> is there any difference between nvidia drivers via apt-get- install nvidia-glx and the official ones?
[04:04] <delltony> if it's anything like ati probably open gl support
[04:04] <KaiL> the apt-get ones are a bit easier to install
[04:04] <KaiL> esp. the kernel-module
[04:04] <jiger> as in I presume nvidia-glx is simply repackaged version of official but saw some post saying the official ones are better etc
[04:05] <KaiL> nonsense.
[04:05] <KaiL> maybe they are newer, but that's all
[04:05] <KaiL> 7174 in hoary
[04:05] <jiger> I am trying to install official driversb ut giving me problems such as can't find gcc, kernel headers, nvidia kernel header etc
[04:06] <KaiL> 7174 latest
[04:06] <KaiL> -> exactly the same files.
[04:06] <delltony> thats why he was recomending using apt-get
[04:06] <jiger> Wow I have downloaded the "latest" version from nvidia and it is the same version as u mention!!
[04:06] <delltony> recommending
[04:06] <delltony> KaiL, he is a little slow i take it didn't you just say that ;)
[04:06] <jiger> hmm can anyone then confirm the FPS u r getting with it by running glxgears
[04:06] <KaiL> :)
[04:07] <delltony> 4000
[04:07] <KaiL> which card, which cpu?
[04:07] <jiger> NVIDIA Corporation NV5M64 [RIVA TNT2 Model 64/Model 64 Pro] 
[04:08] <jiger> cpu intel P4 1.7ghz
[04:08] <KaiL> uuuuuaaaahaaa
[04:08] <KaiL> get a much much better card, if you even think about doing some 3D
[04:08] <jiger> I am getting the following output from glxgears 
[04:08] <jiger> 817 frames in 5.0 seconds = 163.400 FPS
[04:08] <jiger> 931 frames in 5.0 seconds = 186.200 FPS
[04:08] <jiger> 1013 frames in 5.0 seconds = 202.600 FPS
[04:08] <KaiL> I bet I'm faster in software here :p
[04:09] <jiger> 988 frames in 5.0 seconds = 197.600 FPS
[04:09] <KaiL> as I said :))
[04:09] <jiger> 1412 frames in 5.0 seconds = 282.400 FPS
[04:09] <jiger> 1375 frames in 5.0 seconds = 275.000 FPS
[04:09] <jiger> 1478 frames in 5.0 seconds = 295.600 FPS
[04:09] <jiger> 1335 frames in 5.0 seconds = 267.000 FPS
[04:09] <jiger> 1247 frames in 5.0 seconds = 249.400 FPS
[04:09] <jiger> 1201 frames in 5.0 seconds = 240.200 FPS
[04:09] <jiger> 1178 frames in 5.0 seconds = 235.600 FPS
[04:09] <jiger> 440 frames in 5.0 seconds = 88.000 FPS
[04:09] <jiger> 599 frames in 5.0 seconds = 119.800 FPS
[04:09] <jiger> 611 frames in 5.0 seconds = 122.200 FPS
[04:09] <jiger> 630 frames in 5.0 seconds = 126.000 FPS
[04:09] <jiger> 627 frames in 5.0 seconds = 125.400 FPS
[04:09] <jiger> 627 frames in 5.0 seconds = 125.400 FPS
[04:09] <KaiL> ok ok ok... so 300 with wind from backwards and downhill ;)
[04:09] <jiger> 626 frames in 5.0 seconds = 125.200 FPS
[04:10] <jiger> 571 frames in 5.0 seconds = 114.200 FPS
[04:10] <delltony> call noha there is a flood :)
[04:10] <jiger> 563 frames in 5.0 seconds = 112.600 FPS
[04:10] <jiger> 564 frames in 5.0 seconds = 112.800 FPS
[04:10] <jiger> good enough with nvidia enabled?
[04:10] <jiger> its a 32 MB mem card
[04:10] <jiger> is the FPS good enough? coz composite etc are quite slow
[04:10] <jiger> :)
[04:10] <KaiL> well, the card is a 6 or 7 year old lowend-card...
[04:11] <KaiL> so you can expect it to be veeeeeeery slow
[04:11] <KaiL> as it is, I get 350fps in Software mode here
[04:11] <bretzel> uh... how are you getting those specs ?  - what program ?
[04:11] <jiger> well purchased it around 2-3 yrs ago.....what wud be a good card now from nvidia? not very high end ones?
[04:12] <KaiL> oh, even 400 ;)
[04:12] <jiger> glxgears
[04:12] <KaiL> 2-3 years ago?
[04:12] <bretzel> jiger: thanks ...and which resolution ?
[04:12] <jiger> yes....
[04:12] <KaiL> I hope for <10$
[04:12] <jiger> 1280x1024
[04:13] <bretzel> okay :-) 
[04:13] <jiger> Kail:?
[04:13] <jiger> Kail? any good card from nvidia u recommend?
[04:13] <jiger> Kail: but I don't want super hi-fi gaming ones coz I am not into that kind of stuff
[04:14] <KaiL> try to get a passive cooled GeForce FX5200
[04:14] <jiger> ok
[04:14] <KaiL> if you really want nVidia
[04:14] <jiger> ya 
[04:14] <KaiL> if don't game, think about a matrox
[04:14] <KaiL> even an old G200 should be faster then your :P
[04:15] <jiger> I think I will stay with nvidia.....not wanting to get into other cards
[04:15] <KaiL> than..
[04:15] <jiger> KaiL: maybe
[04:15] <jiger> Kail: just wantd to make sure I am not losing out on performance
[04:15] <bretzel> 5232 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1046.400 FPS
[04:16] <KaiL> jiger: the TNT2M64 should be even slow in 2D ;)
[04:17] <jiger> Kail: nope
[04:18] <jiger> actually wanted to use true transparency for my panel but guess have to be happy this way :)
[04:18] <KaiL> Asus V9520-X/TD seams to be ok
[04:18] <KaiL> passive, has DVI (nice, if you want to get a TFT soon) and not that expensive
[04:18] <jiger> the problem with all those fancy cards is lack of support from os when u buy them :)
[04:19] <KaiL> not really
[04:19] <KaiL> I don't know any 3D card, which doesn't work on LInux
[04:19] <jiger> ATI etc are well established but u must be seeing problems on the net with them and linux on and off
[04:19] <KaiL> only the ATI IGP (onboard shit) is 2D only
[04:19] <jiger> I have not seen such massive problem people having wiht nvidia atleast
[04:20] <jiger> but I am happy my java apps run fast thats all I need. just wished composite ran as fast
[04:20] <KaiL> win16-based config tools :)
[04:21] <KaiL> I got a new Mainboard for my PC today (as the Socket 7-System was  REALLY outdated)
[04:21] <KaiL> I needed to change 3 things:
[04:22] <jiger> how do u query "installed apps for info?
[04:22] <KaiL> reconfigure the hardware sensors, installing acpid and get used not to have a slow computer any more :)
[04:23] <KaiL> infos about an installed package?
[04:23] <jiger> ya I mean I want to list all installed packages on my system
[04:23] <KaiL> dpkg -p <package> for the details (small p! big one would uninstall) and dpkg -L <package> for the filelist
[04:23] <KaiL> ah
[04:23] <KaiL> dpkg -l
[04:24] <jiger> and how about wiht full indo like where it is installed, the dependencies that it had etc?
[04:24] <jiger> full info
[04:25] <KaiL> look at my last long line :)
[04:25] <jiger> ohh query each package hmm
[04:26] <KaiL> do you want to find "zombies"?
[04:26] <KaiL> there are 2 nice tools for that:
[04:26] <KaiL> deborphan to show libs, which aren't depended by any app
[04:27] <KaiL> and debfoster, where you can go through a list of all packages which could be uninstalled without needing to remove others - that helps to keep the system cleen
[04:27] <jiger> Kail: ok...
[04:28] <jiger> Kail: what good firewalls are available for Kubuntu?
[04:28] <jiger> I come from freebsd background and had enjoyed real firewalls like IPFilter, IPW, and....PF
[04:28] <jiger> anyones as such for linux?
[04:28] <KaiL> there's a firewall integrated in the kernel - google for iptables :)
[04:28] <jiger> I think firestarter is gtk?
[04:29] <KaiL> firestarter is a iptables-frontend
[04:29] <jiger> the ui
[04:29] <KaiL> no idea, if there's such a thing for KDE
[04:29] <KaiL> my firewall is to have all ports closed *gg*
[04:29] <jiger> is it?? read somewhere firestarter comes with its firewall blah blah...
[04:29] <KaiL> nop
[04:30] <jiger> can't live without a good firewall as well
[04:30] <KaiL> no PF shit on Linux (afaik)
[04:30] <jiger> PF is rock solid firewall man
[04:30] <jiger> comes from openbsd stable
[04:30] <jiger> wish pf was ported to linux
[04:31] <KaiL> thought about "personal firewall" which "pf" :)
[04:31] <jiger> kde too has some good firewall tool, need ot rechack with the tuts on the net
[04:31] <jiger> no pf is a very good firewall written by OpenBSD guys
[04:31] <jiger> very very powerful
[04:32] <KaiL> ...those nice blinking windows tools "the bad guy <ip> tried to hack you, but our great firewall stopped him" ;)
[04:32] <jiger> has been out of touch of linux for around 4-5 yrs so just updating the database ;-)
[04:32] <jiger> worked on fbsd for a long time 
[04:33] <KaiL> I never worked with *BSD yet
[04:33] <jiger> but the lack of proper java support brought me back for Linux
[04:33] <KaiL> hmm, but now I have a workless K6-2/500 :))
[04:33] <membreya> is there any way with kontact for it to automatically do a popup with to-dos....shitty software..or shitty me :|
[04:33] <jiger> KaiL: use it and u will never look back....except in situations like mine
[04:34] <KaiL> I use Linux because I want a system, where every hardware works
[04:34] <KaiL> I hate to fight with broken drivers as on Windows
[04:34] <membreya> my hardware doesnt work :P can't get 3d accelaration to work with my geforce 4000
[04:34] <membreya> :P
[04:34] <jiger> KaiL: same thing in fbsd too. everything works
[04:35] <KaiL> and to fight with missing drivers isn't that much better I guess
[04:35] <KaiL> even some silly sata controllers?
[04:35] <jiger> KaiL: I never had to struggle and same with n number of users
[04:35] <jiger> sta has problems in linux too
[04:35] <jiger> sata
[04:35] <membreya> what problems jiger ? :|
[04:36] <jiger> membreya: driver issues or not owrking hardware....read it in passing somewhere off the net
[04:36] <jiger> but not running such hardware so not inrested :)
[04:36] <KaiL> membreya: 3D on nvidia -> install nvidia-glx and set the driver in /etc/X11/xorg.conf to "nvidia" (should be "nv" now..)
[04:36] <membreya> my nforce3 SATA driver works perfectly :| but yes there are SOME problems with some of the cards :)
[04:37] <membreya> karltk: lol already tried that :)
[04:37] <membreya> KaiL: even :|
[04:37] <membreya> i believe it has to do with cat /proc/driver/nvidia/agp/status showing disabled
[04:37] <KaiL> another nforce3-user here :)
[04:37] <KaiL> << Asus K8N
[04:38] <membreya> that and I can't use renderaccel (known bug)
[04:39] <jiger> Kail: used Guarddog firewall?
[04:39] <KaiL> jiger: nop
[04:40] <jiger> KaiL: people seems to be praising firestarter let me give it a try
[04:41] <KaiL> membreya: amd64-agp is loaded?
[04:41] <membreya> that's a module? :| lol
[04:41] <membreya> lsmod |grep agp shows nothing
[04:41] <KaiL> yes
[04:41] <KaiL> could be the problem..:)
[04:41] <membreya> FATAL: Module amd64_agp not found.
[04:41] <KaiL> - not _
[04:42] <membreya> dher me :P
[04:42] <membreya> i did use - :|
[04:42] <KaiL> hmm...
[04:42] <jiger> KaiL: what firewall do u use? firestarter is wanting x number of gnome libraries to install...Damn
[04:42] <KaiL> and agpgart?
[04:42] <KaiL> jiger: none
[04:42] <KaiL> no open ports -> nothing to hack
[04:43] <jiger> KaiL: when u are connected to the net? using some software listening on a port then?
[04:43] <jiger> say p2p apps? unless u don't use them either :)
[04:43] <KaiL> I don't
[04:44] <_ReDRuM_> uhh... wtf was that
[04:44] <_ReDRuM_> Xorg just used over a gig of RAM
[04:44] <_ReDRuM_> i had to switch to a console and send it sig 11 to get rid of it
[04:44] <KaiL> ooops
[04:44] <KaiL> ATI? :)
[04:44] <_ReDRuM_> yeah
[04:44] <membreya> KaiL: agpgart isn't showing in my lsmod.... yet it states it's loading in dmesg
[04:44] <_ReDRuM_> what makes you think it's the ATI driver?
[04:44] <KaiL> I love that company.....:)
[04:45] <KaiL> membreya: selfmade kernel?
[04:45] <membreya> KaiL: straight out of the box
[04:45] <KaiL> hmm... that one has agpgart as a module...
[04:45] <membreya> uname -a = Linux diab 2.6.10-5-amd64-generic
[04:45] <_ReDRuM_> membreya: you got intel or other agp gart?
[04:45] <_ReDRuM_> im guessing other with an amd64 :)
[04:45] <KaiL> lsmod | grep agp
[04:45] <KaiL> amd64_agp              11336  1
[04:45] <KaiL> agpgart                33704  2 drm,amd64_agp
[04:46] <_ReDRuM_> membreya: modprove amd64_agp ?
[04:46] <_ReDRuM_> s/modprove/modprobe/
[04:46] <KaiL> oops, it was _?
[04:46] <KaiL> sorry :)
[04:47] <membreya> _ReDRuM_: how do I find out the AGP controller? and amd64_agp and amd64-agp says not found
[04:47] <_ReDRuM_> lspci | grep -i agp
[04:47] <KaiL> uhm
[04:47] <membreya> 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV18 [GeForce4 MX 4000 AGP 8x]  (rev c1)
[04:47] <KaiL> the file is amd64-agp, but in lsmod it's amd64_agp
[04:47] <KaiL> ...silly
[04:48] <_ReDRuM_> he doesnt have a PCI bridge for AGP? odd...
[04:48] <membreya> cat /proc/driver/nvidia/agp/host-bridge
[04:48] <membreya> Host Bridge:     PCI device 10de:00e1 (nVidia Corporation)
[04:48] <membreya> Fast Writes:     Supported
[04:48] <membreya> SBA:             Supported
[04:48] <membreya> AGP Rates:       8x 4x
[04:48] <membreya> Registers:       0x1f00421b:0x00000001
[04:48] <meng> i need help to enable 3d support with my ati card, even with fglrx installed
[04:48] <KaiL> _ReDRuM_: it has 2 unnamed PCI bridges in 0000:00:0b.0 and 0000:00:0e.0
[04:49] <KaiL> and 0000:00:05.0 is also named bridge :)
[04:49] <_ReDRuM_> oh right - you lost me system buses isn't my strongest point
[04:49] <KaiL> membreya: strange, with 2.6.10-5-k7 I have the amd64-agp module
[04:49] <membreya> northbridge is AMD, PCI Bridge is nvidia
[04:49] <membreya> k8?
[04:50] <membreya> shouldnt that be k8? :|
[04:50] <_ReDRuM_> do kubuntu even do a k8 kernel?
[04:50] <membreya> indeedy
[04:50] <_ReDRuM_> cool.
[04:50] <membreya> and even a k8-smp :P
[04:50] <KaiL> but that one needs a 64Bit K8 I guess
[04:51] <membreya> maybe i should go from generic to k8
[04:51] <KaiL> the Sempron here is 32Bit only
[04:51] <_ReDRuM_> now they need to stop my Xorg from allocating a gig of ram when im in the middle of coding and we're all set
[04:51] <membreya> damnit I have 4 days uptime
[04:51] <KaiL> lol
[04:51] <membreya> I'm determined to go 1week
[04:51] <membreya> lol :P
[04:52] <_ReDRuM_> woo vim recover rules :)
[04:52] <delltony> anyone here good with bash? curious would this work for i infile blah* do cat $i >>bigsplitfilecomplete; ?
[04:53] <_ReDRuM_> yup
[04:53] <_ReDRuM_> but cat blah* >>bigfile would work too
[04:53] <KaiL> they where only to find out, that the broken usb-storage doesn't have to do with the new board (but with a missing sd_mod)
[04:53] <_ReDRuM_> it's for i in blah*; do chat $i >>bigfile; done
[04:53] <KaiL> and that I was to stupid to put an audio cable into the right place
[04:53] <_ReDRuM_> s/chat/cat/
[04:54] <_ReDRuM_> but theres no need cause cat blah* >>bigfile works too
[04:54] <_ReDRuM_> bash expands the file names on the command line
[04:54] <membreya> maybe I should install the latest kernel (11) just for fun :)
[04:54] <_ReDRuM_> membreya: i heard its horrible and buggy in kubuntu and u shouldnt...
[04:54] <_ReDRuM_> but go ahead and let me know
[04:54] <membreya> :|
[04:54] <_ReDRuM_> cause i havent risked it after that rumor :)
[04:54] <membreya> damnit why can't I modprobe amd64-agp
[04:54] <KaiL> here it hung with 2.6.11-1-k7 while login into KDE
[04:54] <whiskers> wow...there is a huge slashdot response on Bush proposed Draconian measures for file uploaders
[04:55] <_ReDRuM_> slashdork
[04:55] <KaiL> membreya: maybe modprobe amd64_agp? :)
[04:55] <_ReDRuM_> that site used to be so much better :/
[04:55] <membreya> KaiL: tried both
[04:55] <whiskers> _ReDRuM_, well i think you should see the 
[04:55] <whiskers> 'd
[04:55] <whiskers> Draconian stuff coming out in the US
[04:55] <KaiL> kernel/drivers/char/agp/amd-k7-agp.ko
[04:56] <whiskers> look at this
[04:56] <whiskers> ile-swappers who distribute a single copy of a prerelease movie on the Internet can be imprisoned for up to three years.
[04:56] <KaiL> does that file exist in your modules folder?
[04:56] <whiskers> for one movie....this is Draconian
[04:56] <membreya> nope
[04:56] <KaiL> aha..
[04:56] <_ReDRuM_> haha
[04:57] <_ReDRuM_> he shouldn't even be there he so rigged those elections
[04:57] <membreya> intel-mch-agp.ko that's all I have
[04:57] <KaiL> lib/modules/2.6.10-5-amd64-generic/kernel/drivers/char/agp/intel-mch-agp.ko base/linux-image-2.6.10-5-amd64-generic
[04:57] <KaiL> hmm
[04:57] <whiskers> now look how this is done in the US
[04:57] <whiskers> The bill's supporters in Congress won passage of the prison terms by gluing them to an unrelated proposal to legalize technologies that delete offensive content from a film. That proposal was designed to address a lawsuit that Hollywood studios and the Directors Guild of America filed against ClearPlay over a DVD player that filtered violent and nude scenes. (ClearPlay had gained influential allies among family groups such as 
[04:57] <whiskers> the Parents Television Council and Focus on the Family.)
[04:58] <KaiL> amd64-k8 also doesn't have the file
[04:58] <KaiL> veryverystrange
[04:58] <membreya> back soon, reboot time
[04:59] <_ReDRuM_> hey it ain't my country
[04:59] <_ReDRuM_> if it was i'd be trying to organise a revolution by now
[04:59] <_ReDRuM_> you're not voting that clique out of office :)
[05:00] <KaiL> they are really silly with their "offensive content"
[05:00] <TechLord> how can i format my usb harddrive from linux?
[05:00] <_ReDRuM_> TechLord: mkfs -t xfs /dev/sda1 (replace sda1 with device name)
[05:00] <TechLord> i want to format 1/2 ext3 and the 1/2 fat32
[05:00] <KaiL> hell, fucking is something totally normal, why you aren't alloed to even talk about it?
[05:00] <_ReDRuM_> no doubt u can do it in kde too
[05:00] <_ReDRuM_> replace xfs with ext3
[05:01] <_ReDRuM_> use fdisk /dev/sda to make the parititions
[05:01] <whiskers> here are the contemplations of citizens regarding these Draconian measures.
[05:01] <whiskers> Were I a King of the US, I would declare that getting rid of copyright entirely would be even better. People wrote some pretty good stuff before the concept of copyright existed, so I disagree that it would all disappear after it was wiped out.
[05:01] <KaiL> cfdisk /dev/sda before :)
[05:01] <KaiL> to partition it
[05:01] <_ReDRuM_> btw ext3 sucks use xfs xfs > *
[05:01] <_ReDRuM_> :P
[05:01] <KaiL> but I'm not sure, if partitioning always work
[05:02] <KaiL> could be, that windows get's confused and you can't use the device there
[05:02] <_ReDRuM_> doesnt seem to like sparse files too much
[05:02] <KaiL> why does ext3 suck?
[05:02] <_ReDRuM_> because it's generally slower than xfs especially on large files of the type most people put on external usb drives
[05:03] <_ReDRuM_> and xfs has legendary data integrity - it's probably the most reliable of the jounaling file systems
[05:03] <KaiL> hmm
[05:03] <KaiL> you should have told be that yesterday *g*
[05:03] <_ReDRuM_> lol
[05:04] <_ReDRuM_> xfs has loads of handy tools for incremental backups too
[05:04] <KaiL> my new Samsung now is ext3
[05:05] <whiskers> _ReDRuM_, does xfs have a free file defragger like ext3
[05:05] <_ReDRuM_> they dont get fragmented unless you jam the drive full
[05:05] <_ReDRuM_> neither does ext3
[05:05] <guran> I use ext3 because it is an ext2 part and the journal library, which means that if the journal is faulted you can read the ext2 part
[05:05] <KaiL> but with 55MB/s it doesn't matter that much
[05:06] <DaSkreech> Hello
[05:06] <_ReDRuM_> tbh i got no idea i never fill the drive up so it doesnt get fragmented and i havent checked
[05:06] <DaSkreech> Ubuntu has a thingy where they will ship you CDs does kubuntu have the same deal?
[05:06] <_ReDRuM_> yup it does
[05:07] <_ReDRuM_> don't know where yet but i've seen it on some forum posts... il lfind out the command in a sec :)
[05:07] <KaiL> << sleep
[05:08] <whiskers> this is a funny response to the issue:
[05:08] <whiskers> Not, just next time before you put a copy of a song you made of your CD into your shared folder,think twice, you might want to just go and rape someone (preferably a lawmaker who makes such laws). You'll be a criminal in either case but could get away with less for rape.
[05:09] <_ReDRuM_> xfs_fsr
[05:09] <whiskers> now they want to rape the lawmakers
[05:09] <TechLord> ok got half formated for xfs how can i format the other half for fat32 and how can i mount them writable
[05:09] <_ReDRuM_> whiskers: not only does it have a free defragger it's got this: xfsdump              (8)  - XFS filesystem incremental dump utility
[05:09] <_ReDRuM_> thats way cool :)
[05:10] <whiskers> _ReDRuM_, you mean xfs has a free defragger
[05:10] <_ReDRuM_> whiskers: heh
[05:10] <_ReDRuM_> yup it does
[05:10] <whiskers> _ReDRuM_, i never heard of it
[05:10] <_ReDRuM_> it's got over a terminal window full of scroll of tools
[05:10] <_ReDRuM_> xfs is SGI's filesystem ported from IRIX
[05:10] <whiskers> _ReDRuM_, must be new stuff
[05:10] <_ReDRuM_> not that new
[05:10] <_ReDRuM_> reiser hogs all the limelight
[05:10] <_ReDRuM_> even though it's crap
[05:11] <whiskers> _ReDRuM_, well i never had a problem with reiser...not a single missing byte...but uh...there was no defragger
[05:11] <_ReDRuM_> unless you fill the drive up you shouldnt need one
[05:11] <_ReDRuM_> but if you fill your drives up ok :)
[05:11] <_ReDRuM_> i never lost nothing on reiser for a while, windows neither
[05:12] <whiskers> _ReDRuM_, look when you are making all the Bollywood movies in ogg-theora.....then you can use a defragger
[05:12] <_ReDRuM_> but after long term usage both of them smashed my data
[05:12] <_ReDRuM_> whiskers: make movies? is that what people without bittorrents do :P
[05:12] <membreya> hmmm now nvidia won't load
[05:12] <membreya> grrrr
[05:12] <membreya> and still no amd64-agp
[05:13] <_ReDRuM_> whiskers: i know it was reisers fault too
[05:13] <whiskers> _ReDRuM_, do you blame them for not having bittorrents...have you paid any attention to the Draconian laws i was just referring to
[05:13] <_ReDRuM_> sure i read all of it
[05:13] <membreya> how do you get nvidia as an installable module once you load a new kernel? I've done a sudo apt-get remove nvidia-glx and then installed it again
[05:13] <_ReDRuM_> and i know it was reiser cause the kernel crashed and backtraced to the reiser driver
[05:13] <whiskers> _ReDRuM_, the people are saying that they should rape the lawmakers
[05:13] <_ReDRuM_> they probably should :)
[05:14] <_ReDRuM_> why do you let him do it to your country
[05:15] <_ReDRuM_> only the american people or possibly china are going to get rid of bush and his nutty compadres
[05:15] <_ReDRuM_> longer for filesharing than rape? what kind of government do u people have.
[05:16] <whiskers> and look what is going on in Europe not just here...
[05:16] <whiskers>  UK penalties (Score:5, Insightful)
[05:16] <whiskers> by Colin Smith (2679) on Wednesday April 20, @05:06PM (#12296458)
[05:16] <whiskers> (http://slashdot.org/)
[05:16] <whiskers> Up to 10 years in prison for copyright infringment but only 2 years in prison for interfering with the democratic process.
[05:16] <whiskers> That says it right there. Copyright is far more important than democracy.
[05:16] <whiskers> the UK penalties are even worse
[05:17] <_ReDRuM_> i've been caught on the street with pirate dvds and the police just confiscated them
[05:17] <_ReDRuM_> brought them from soem asian at the market
[05:17] <whiskers> _ReDRuM_, that is not going to happen with these new laws
[05:18] <_ReDRuM_> i dont think they will be enforced
[05:18] <whiskers> _ReDRuM_, yea...i bought a weird copy of XP from some foreign citizen at a reduced price...very nice labelling and stuff.....but i got rid of it.....don't need it ....dont' want it
[05:18] <_ReDRuM_> but thanks for telling me that
[05:18] <_ReDRuM_> im going to write to my MP tomorrow and hand out leaflets at universities.
[05:18] <_ReDRuM_> more to come.
[05:19] <DaSkreech> _ReDRuM_: Did you find the Links On the forums? :-)
[05:19] <_ReDRuM_> no whiskers just told me
[05:19] <_ReDRuM_> i dont read slashdork most of the time :P
[05:19] <whiskers> this is the counterargument presented if it makes any sense to anyone
[05:19] <_ReDRuM_> their newer editors are well sketchy
[05:19] <whiskers> That's really just the symptom of the rot. The energies of Western people, once devoted to creativity and productivity, are now entirely consumed in blocking maneuvers, and in trying to artificially prolong archaic business models.
[05:19] <whiskers> This includes not just the RIAA and its byzantine royalty system, but also the ossification of manufacturing companies, which have accumulated so much pension debt that they are at the point of inviability.
[05:19] <whiskers> Meanwhile, other nations ( I need not list either of them here) whose energies are devoted to production, will replace us as leading economies within 10 years, if not sooner.
[05:19] <DaSkreech> _ReDRuM_: I meant about shipping Kubuntu 
[05:19] <_ReDRuM_> DaSkreech: eh?
[05:20] <whiskers> these issues are worth thinking about
[05:20] <DaSkreech> _ReDRuM_: When I asked about the shipping of Kubuntu CDs you said that you thought you saw that on the forums
[05:21] <_ReDRuM_> er ok
[05:21] <_ReDRuM_> whiskers: link to that slashdot article?
[05:22] <_ReDRuM_> pity it's so close to our election - that's the kind of thing that costs a government a second term when most of the young people in the country can't be bothered to vote
[05:22] <_ReDRuM_> third term.
[05:23] <whiskers> here are the real Americans speaking up about the politicians having their noses in the Corporate ass-cheeks
[05:24] <whiskers> I've never so much as considered attempting to download a movie. The amount of effort that goes into pirating such things when you could just drive to a video store and pay a very reasonable couple of bucks boggles my mind. But honestly, at this point I'm inclined to just start pirating movies in bulk without even ever watching a single one of them, just for the purpose of distributing them to others. The movie industry feels 
[05:24] <whiskers> like their customers are insidious little criminals out to destroy them? Well fine. Then I want to actually start acting like one.
[05:24] <whiskers> They shit on the laws of my country, I start shitting on them. It's the least they deserve.
[05:24] <_ReDRuM_> whiskers - link!
[05:24] <whiskers> _ReDRuM_, slashdotters...comments on Bush's new laws
[05:25] <_ReDRuM_> i want to see where it says here in the UK we are getting longer for a copy of blade than for raping a kid with a blade
[05:25] <whiskers> _ReDRuM_, ok i will get it for  you.
[05:25] <_ReDRuM_> if thats true i'm going to create such a fuss about it
[05:26] <_ReDRuM_> i know all the local faces too i'll make sure they take notice
[05:26] <_ReDRuM_> they wont be able to ignore it
[05:26] <whiskers> ok here is the link and then i will give you the person
[05:26] <whiskers> http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/05/04/20/1733215.shtml?tid=95&tid=17
[05:27] <whiskers> and the person is Colin Smith(2679)
[05:27] <_ReDRuM_> if you value your freedom - don't copy blade, grab a blade and rape a kid
[05:27] <whiskers> this is very serious stuff.....and all these people should be paying attention
[05:27] <_ReDRuM_> yes sick, but if thats true then so is that
[05:27] <_ReDRuM_> it nicely highlights how rediculous it is
[05:28] <whiskers> _ReDRuM_, you are trying to make light of very very serious stuff
[05:29] <_ReDRuM_> you think im making light of it? i think YOU are not understanding how serious it is. it's mortally serious if you get longer in jail for pirating a dvd than raping children it shows absolute corruption and a corporate run government with no respect for the people of the nation
[05:29] <_ReDRuM_> it's disgusting
[05:30] <_ReDRuM_> i feel like killing lawyers
[05:30] <whiskers> _ReDRuM_, that is right....look how the Corporations are raping the children and don't even get any laws passed against them
[05:30] <_ReDRuM_> but i won't ill come up with a better plan for attack.
[05:31] <_ReDRuM_> i wish colin quoted his sources
[05:32] <whiskers> _ReDRuM_, i mean really...how many children can afford a $5000 copy of Cold Fusion......they are totally being raped by the Corporations
[05:32] <_ReDRuM_> hey dont need a $5000 copy of cold fusion
[05:33] <_ReDRuM_> i dont have any pirate software on my computer
[05:33] <whiskers> _ReDRuM_, many children have to turn to prostitution just to be able to get $5000 for Cold Fusion
[05:33] <_ReDRuM_> doesnt do me any harm
[05:33] <_ReDRuM_> whiskers: ... waffle.
[05:41] <brazmetal> does somenone here have the microphone working?
[05:41] <whiskers> brazmetal, i think i do...it seems to be working with a skype test
[05:41] <brazmetal> man
[05:41] <whiskers> kkathman and I were testing some software designed to pierce this non-routable IP crap
[05:41] <brazmetal> i can't get it working
[05:42] <whiskers> brazmetal, well be more specific ....why can't you get it working...what have you tried?
[05:43] <brazmetal> whiskers, I think every thin I could... the sound works properly, but I cant capture anything with the microphone... 
[05:43] <whiskers> brazmetal, are you running gnome or kde
[05:43] <brazmetal> the settings in Kmix are Ok...
[05:43] <brazmetal> KDE...
[05:44] <whiskers> brazmetal, do you have it plugged into the right jack and is it unmuted
[05:45] <brazmetal> brazmetal,  yes it's in the mic jack... how do I know if it's unmuted? (if it's in kmix, it's already unmuted)
[05:45] <whiskers> brazmetal, well why dont you start with alsa mixer...are you using alsa drivers or oss drivers
[05:47] <whiskers> brazmetal, well answer...which driver set did you choose to use and what hardware do you have
[05:48] <whiskers> brazmetal, how can we help you if you don't answer
[05:48] <brazmetal> sorry
[05:48] <brazmetal> I was checking something
[05:49] <brazmetal> whiskers,  i have already tried alsamixer... the settings are the same as Kmix
[05:49] <whiskers> brazmetal, in alsa mixer did you unmute the microphone jack and raise the gain of the input
[05:49] <brazmetal> whiskers,  the driver is snd-via82xx... the sound is an Via8235 codec VT1616
[05:50] <whiskers> brazmetal, oh...ok...well i never could get a via to work...so you better find help from someone else
[05:50] <brazmetal> the mic is unmuted... and the 20db gaim is enabled..
[05:51] <whiskers> brazmetal, ok...good but i never could get the via chip to work...i sold it and got rid of it
[05:52] <whiskers> brazmetal, maybe when via learns how to write good drivers....we can look again
[05:53] <brazmetal> ehehhee
[05:54] <whiskers> brazmetal, if you can't get the via to work...don't feel alone...but you can always add a good sound card to the mobo and disable the via chip
[05:54] <brazmetal> ehehe man
[05:55] <brazmetal> but for the other things...
[05:55] <brazmetal> the sound is ok...
[05:55] <brazmetal> the problem is just the microphone issue
[05:55] <whiskers> brazmetal, well i never could get much sound from that chip  at all....like i say ...try and then go buy a good sound card...if nothing else
[06:00] <abinadid> anybody running xlink kai ???? this is me again
[06:02] <whiskers> brazmetal, i think there is a Linux Hardware Guide somewhere on the internet that may help you
[06:02] <whiskers> brazmetal, they try to keep track of who is writing good drivers and who isn't
[06:05] <whiskers> brazmetal, well i see 24,000,000 articles for google of Linux Hardware Guide...so you have plenty to read
[06:05] <brazmetal> ehheehehehe,
[06:06] <whiskers> brazmetal, until such time as via decides to write a good driver...well you might plop in a good sound card...you can remove it when and if via makes a good driver
[06:08] <whiskers> brazmetal, but you should go read the 24,000,000 articles first....then ask for help
[06:14] <kkathman> greetings all :)
[06:14] <whiskers> kkathman, hey guy ....we did it...next when you get back to the linux machine lets try out gaim
[06:15] <kkathman> whiskers yeah that was terrific...I will give you a call when I get in on Sunday :)
[06:15] <kkathman> whiskers or touch base with you here
[06:15] <whiskers> kkathman, ok that will be fine...but at least we have a couple of solutions today
[06:15] <kkathman> whiskers yep thats a good thing!
[06:55] <bubbaonlinux> hey anyone here really good with ubuntu and or linux and willing to help me figure out a sound issue? i have yet to figure out why on all the other computer i have installed kubuntu on the master slider in kmixer actually controls the volume but on this laptop of mine master doesn't do diddly
[06:55] <bubbaonlinux> pcm/headphone/master mono are the only things that effect sound.
[06:56] <kkathman> bubbaonlinux I assume you are installing the same version and same packages et al :)
[06:56] <bubbaonlinux> yes
[06:57] <bubbaonlinux> kubuntu 5.04 i just installed on a hewitt packard for my aunt
[06:57] <bubbaonlinux> and works fine
[06:57] <bubbaonlinux> always had the issue with the slider on here even in gnome
[06:57] <kkathman> bubbaonlinux are you getting any sound?
[06:57] <bubbaonlinux> yeah sound is fine
[06:57] <bubbaonlinux> if i use the sliders i mentioned
[06:57] <kkathman> bubbaonlinux so its just the kmix
[06:58] <bubbaonlinux> well i'm gonna have to say no
[06:58] <bubbaonlinux> for this reason
[06:58] <bubbaonlinux> gnome when i was using it i had to change the slider on there to pcm instead of the default of master
[06:58] <bubbaonlinux> for it to control sound
[06:58] <bubbaonlinux> and alsamixer in shell the master doesn't work
[06:59] <bubbaonlinux> only master mono/pcm/headphone effect sound
[06:59] <bubbaonlinux> i can put master at 0 or at 100 makes no difference
[06:59] <kkathman> bubbaonlinux hmmm...thats odd
[06:59] <bubbaonlinux> i filed a bug report about it long time back
[06:59] <bubbaonlinux> but i guess it got pushed to the side
[06:59] <bubbaonlinux> cause noone ever really resolved it 
[07:00] <kkathman> bubbaonlinux yeah I dunno...I havent had anything like that happen
[07:00] <bubbaonlinux> let me see if i can find the bug report
[07:00] <kkathman> bubbaonlinux wish I could help more :(
[07:00] <bubbaonlinux> its fine no big deal
[07:00] <bubbaonlinux> at least you didn't tell me to use google
[07:00] <bubbaonlinux> or read the man
[07:01] <kkathman> bubbaonlinux let me check one resource...one sec
[07:01] <bubbaonlinux> ok
[07:01] <bubbaonlinux> i can show you the bug if you would like
[07:01] <bubbaonlinux> let me fire up bugzilla
[07:03] <kkathman> bubbaonlinux check this thread out...maybe it might give you some ideas...or maybe it will get you links to other areas
[07:03] <kkathman> http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/topic-33571.html
[07:05] <bubbaonlinux> olk let me look
[07:07] <bubbaonlinux> aumix let me see what i have that mapped to
[07:08] <bubbaonlinux> now aumix runs pcm
[07:08] <bubbaonlinux> and sound works
[07:09] <bubbaonlinux> cause i have it mapped to pcm
[07:09] <kkathman> ahh ok...thought that might give you some help
[07:10] <kkathman> Linux Forums is a great place to get answers for very technical questions...I just thought they might have something
[07:10] <bubbaonlinux> nah man its good
[07:10] <bubbaonlinux> i have looked around myself actually
[07:10] <bubbaonlinux> for a while now
[07:10] <bubbaonlinux> only reason i even care is i don't like loading a website and getting blasted by sound thinking its down low
[07:13] <brazmetal> hey, I have a problema with amarok... the songs are always cracking (like vinyl) and lots of gaps.... But there's no problem with the sound, the other players work perfectly
[07:14] <kkathman> yeah I can understand that bubbaonlinux
[07:17] <whiskers> wow...this guy really tells it like it is..
[07:17] <whiskers> Great. Someone sneaks out Star Wars episode III and spoils all the secrets, they get 3 years of prison time along side the pedophiles, murderers, drug pushers, drug users, con artists (wait, scratch that... so far CEOs seem to be escaping prison terms unless someone wants to make an example of you), many of whom will have a shorter "first-offence" prison term.
[07:17] <whiskers> Clearly in the grand scheme of things 3 years og good ol' pound-me-in-the-ass prison sounds like the perfect punishment for letting everyone know that The Revenge of the Sith sucked ass and saving them from throwing away their money.
[07:18] <whiskers> highlight  the ....so far
[07:21] <kkathman> whiskers LOL :)
[07:21] <whiskers> kkathman, these slashdotters are very upfront about the seriousness of these issues
[07:23] <kkathman> yeah :)
[07:33] <smouche> I don't know, whiskers.  I had the misfortune to be standing in line for tickets to The Empire Strikes Back, decades ago! - and there was a loudmouth girl in line ahead of me...
[07:33] <smouche> and she said to her friends,
[07:34] <smouche> "I can't believe Darth Vader is Luke's father!"
[07:34] <smouche> (she'd seen it before.  I hadn't)
[07:34] <smouche> I think prison time would not be inappropriate in that case.
[07:34] <smouche> How y'all doing, btw?
[07:35] <kkathman> smouche!! hey man :)
[07:36] <smouche> how are, kkathman?
[07:36] <kkathman> good good, smouche...about 1500 miles away from home tho
[07:36] <smouche> and where are you -- I saw something about you being 1000 miles from home?
[07:36] <smouche> heh heh
[07:36] <kkathman> smouche - yep Im in Los Angeles
[07:37] <smouche> rats, thought you might be in the northeast!
[07:37] <smouche> we could do lunch
[07:37] <smouche> heh heh
[07:37] <kkathman> smouche nope...maybe someday :)
[07:37] <kkathman> I did use skype for the first time today and man its kewl
[07:37] <smouche> like LA?  I've never been out there
[07:38] <kkathman> nah I dont like LA much, but the food is good
[07:39] <smouche> skype works well?  does it integrate into your im client?
[07:39] <kkathman> smouche well Im on my windoze laptop right now, and its separate from the IM client, but does have internet telephony, IM and file transfer all in one
[07:40] <smouche> cool.
[07:40] <smouche> secure?
[07:40] <kkathman> smouche: yeah I met whiskers through it today...found out he and I are nearly neighbors :)
[07:41] <smouche> I'll try it, I think.  Most of my time is spent lately slogging through man pages.
[07:41] <smouche> I freakin' hate man pages.
[07:42] <kkathman> smouche yeah, my patience wears thin when I have to read man pages :)
[07:42] <smouche> all the time I've put into learning this stuff, I could have learned German or something...
[07:42] <smouche> hmmm - you know, that's an idea -- maybe I should download the man pages in, I don't know, Italian or something
[07:43] <smouche> kill two birds with one stone
[07:45] <smouche> kkathman, was skype straightforward to install?  
[07:49] <whiskers> smouche, after you get to the end of the infinitely long and complex man pages then you can begin on the next infinity of HOWTO pages
[07:50] <smouche> lol; i'm in an infinite loop of man info   info man  man man man man man info man...
[07:51] <membreya> im in an infinite loop of hating nvidia
[07:51] <smouche> there must be a decent stand-alone man reader, with nice hyperlinking, to replace that dinosaur of a pager--
[07:51] <brazmetal> Does someone here stream audio via shoutcast?
[07:52] <smouche> 'course, I could use the kde help version, I keep forgetting that...
[07:52] <membreya> smouche: konq :P
[07:52] <smouche> brazmetal, you might try in #icecast.  I don't think there's any activity with #shoutcast.
[07:54] <smouche> membreya -- uh, dumb ass question, I guess -- you mean I can browse man pages with konq? -- uh, where do I point the browser?
[07:54] <membreya> click on your K menu, go to help, then go to search
[07:54] <smouche> god i'm an idiot, that didn't occur to me
[07:55] <whiskers> smouche, and wait till you find out there is man 1 something and man 3 of similar topic and man 8 of same stuff
[07:55] <smouche> membreya, the search thing in help wants to build an index, and it's telling me my application manuals are "missing"
[07:55] <membreya> smouche: you need to build search index :)
[07:56] <membreya> make sure you have htdig and htmerge installed :)
 whiskers, I noticed that...
[07:56] <whiskers> smouche, and the worse thing is that man 1 something is different than man 8 samething
[07:56] <smouche> membreya, I thought windows search was annoying... ;-)
[07:56] <membreya> *shrug* don't use it :P
[07:56] <membreya> go back to your man :P
[07:57] <membreya> no pun intended
[07:57] <smouche> INDEXDIR: /home/bc/.kde/share/apps/khelpcenter/index/
[07:57] <smouche> FINDCMD: find /usr/share/doc/HTML/en/ -name index.docbook
[07:57] <smouche> Creating index for 'kde_application_manuals'
[07:57] <smouche> htdig failed
[07:57] <smouche> what's htdig?
[07:57] <membreya> just download it
[07:57] <membreya> sudo apt-get install htdig
[07:57] <membreya> from man htdig : htdig - retrieve HTML documents for ht://Dig search engine
[07:58] <smouche> hunh?
[07:58] <smouche> ok
[07:58] <whiskers> now this is an interesting but different take on the subject:
[07:58] <whiskers> I do agree with a previous poster that we should do away with copyright laws, but for different reasons entirely. The individuals or groups that currently hold copyrights should be responsible for enforcing their intellectual property privately (for example, licensing agreements, terms of use, etc., all of which it could enforce via civil court or private arbitration), rather than fostering a rampant and parasitical bureaucrac
[07:58] <whiskers> y. If you put a license agreement on the media you distribute, and the purchaser then violates that agreement, they are liable for resulting damages. It's just another example of another unnecessary function being performed by the state at the expense of the liberty of the victims (taxpayers).
[07:59] <whiskers> ...he sees a ....rampant and parasitical beaurocracy
[07:59] <smouche> membreya, thanks -- anyway, KDE help is much nicer to use than reading from a terminal!
[08:00] <smouche> Now what the hell is "Scrollkeeper" ????
[08:00] <whiskers> smouche, back in my day we had groff to read the pages with
[08:00] <membreya> all beaurocracys are parasitic
[08:01] <smouche> many parasites are useful and necessary; or rather, many "parasites" are actually symbiotes.
[08:01] <membreya> ScrollKeeper - An open document cataloging and metadata management sys
[08:01] <membreya>        tem.
[08:01] <membreya> :P
[08:01] <smouche> oh, as in Open Doc format?
[08:01] <membreya> *shrug*
[08:01] <membreya> man scrollkeeper :)
[08:02] <membreya> haha
[08:03] <smouche> jesus, scrollkeeper on here is just a pile of broken links!
[08:04] <whiskers> this person seems the most honest of them all:
[08:04] <whiskers>  All polititions pander like the scum they are (Score:2)
[08:04] <whiskers> by DigiShaman (671371) on Wednesday April 20, @03:40PM (#12295337)
[08:04] <whiskers> (http://www.contoso.com/)
[08:04] <whiskers> Democrat, Republican..what the fuck is the difference anymore other then issues on morality.
[08:04] <whiskers> Both parties pander to industry and contributions.
[08:04] <whiskers> Fuck em both
[08:05] <smouche> so run for office, whiskers.
[08:05] <smouche> heh heh
[08:05] <whiskers> smouche, not me...i aint' getting into that shit
[08:05] <membreya> voting..it's a matter of choosing between different classes of idiot
[08:05] <whiskers> but that guy said....Fuck them both
[08:05] <smouche> well, then it's easy to prove yourself right.  
[08:06] <\sh> morning gentlemen
[08:09] <smouche> I can't understand why scrollkeeper has all these links to documentation that doesn't exist on my -- oh
[08:10] <membreya> user error smouche ? :P
[08:10] <smouche> I see -- i suppose, since I apt-getted prog's, but skipped their doc files, the prog's may have synched their help to scrollkeeper anyway...
[08:10] <membreya> hiya \sh 
[08:10] <smouche> hence "broken" links
[08:10] <\sh> well, jriddel is such a nice persons...brings kde to the aussies ,)
[08:11] <membreya> bandwidth brings me KDE
[08:11] <smouche> it's all user error, membreya.
[08:11] <membreya> user error: replace user
[08:12] <smouche> as in, "use a damned pencil, a typewriter, and a telephone" and stop farting around with computers!"
[08:14] <smouche> are the ls commands and the dir commands just different names for the same thing?  for some reason ls is printing color, that's the only difference I see.
[08:17] <membreya> dir also puts the \'s in on LFNs
[08:17] <membreya> or moreso file names with spaces
[08:18] <smouche> ah,  
[08:18] <smouche> thank you membreya
[08:18] <membreya> :P
[08:18] <membreya> friggin nvidia...DIEEEEEEEEEEEEe
[08:19] <smouche> now what I can't figure out is why, the first time I used ls, it showed the directory's contents nicely laid out in two columns,
[08:19] <smouche> but now, only in one column
[08:19] <smouche> weird
[08:21] <membreya> smouche: by the way, ls is only in colour because of an alias
[08:22] <membreya> dir --color=auto does the same
[08:22] <smouche> checking ls --help  it tells me color is off by default -- but I've got color ...
[08:22] <membreya> smouche type alias
[08:23] <smouche> "because of an alias"  -- membreya, ?
[08:23] <smouche> alias ls='ls --color=auto'
[08:23] <membreya> :)
[08:24] <smouche> how did that alias get set?
[08:24] <smouche> hell, I don't even know what -- I know, -- "man alias"!
[08:24] <membreya> edit your .bashrc
[08:25] <smouche> lol, no manual entry for alias
[08:25] <smouche> hot pink for mp3, not bad...
[08:27] <smouche> very cool, membreya, thanks for the tips!  
[08:27] <membreya> :D
[08:29] <smouche> jesus, I really should be able to get more than 45 minutes out of a laptop battery
[08:30] <membreya> ps, if you want to get the ls to display in more than one column, maximise your konsole
[08:32] <smouche> membreya, I tried that -- doesn't work
[08:32] <membreya> does too :P
[08:32] <membreya> but then again, I'm running 1152x864
[08:32] <smouche> oh yeah.
[08:32] <smouche> heh heh
[08:33] <membreya> or else ls --width=110 or whatever
[08:33] <membreya> but then its hard to read
[08:33] <smouche> I was full-screening it, instead of maximizing it, that's why
[08:34] <membreya> lol
[08:34] <smouche> funny that when I unmaximize, it keeps the 2 columns, I like that
[08:40] <smouche> membreya, speaking of full-screen -- 
[08:40] <smouche> I got tired of hiding and unhiding my kicker panels, so I made a launcher to kill the kicker
[08:41] <smouche> and another on, with an icon on the desktop, to start kicker again
[08:42] <smouche> works great when I want to reduce distractions, or get more screen space
[08:43] <smouche> but I'm wondering, am I traumatizing the system if I frequently kill and restart the kicker?
[08:43] <smouche> the cursor locks for a while, but everything seems to recover alright...
[08:44] <smouche> hah hah, my battery is now officially 0% charged... and has been for a while now...
[08:45] <smouche> useless battery meter!
[08:48] <whiskers> smouche, well don't feel bad...i am trying to look at the temperature readout of the processor in gkrellm....and it is barely readable
[08:48] <whiskers> smouche, all that work for i2c and lm-sensors...and you can't barely read gkrellm
[08:50] <smouche> hell, I can't even pronounce it.
[08:51] <whiskers> here is another honest slashdotter trying to say something:
[08:51] <whiskers> Hatch and Feinstein are both evil control freaks. To me to proves the system is broken with both the Democrats and Republicans. They both suck.
[08:51] <whiskers> he...he...control freaks
[08:53] <whiskers> there is some agreement ...the slashdotter trurl says:
[08:53] <whiskers>  Re:perhaps you mean sugardaddies (Score:1)
[08:53] <whiskers> by trurl7 (663880) on Wednesday April 20, @05:19PM (#12296583)
[08:53] <whiskers> Good call - political bitches and political pimps.
[08:53] <whiskers> This underscores the fundamental point here - constituents are the people that a senator is supposed to be responsible to. That she is from a state which hosts rich media conglomerates who, perhaps "lobby" her, or help "finance" her campaign makes them a source of influence which explains her voting patterns, and makes her a political prostitute.
[08:54] <whiskers> the topic is highlighted as SUGARDADDIES
[08:54] <smouche> "political prostitute" ?  google:  tautology
[08:54] <whiskers> smouche, that is humourous...tautology
[08:57] <whiskers> you can see many people making up their minds about this serious issue....drago says:
[08:57] <whiskers>  Well, shit. (Score:5, Interesting)
[08:57] <whiskers> by Grendel Drago (41496) on Wednesday April 20, @03:22PM (#12295040)
[08:57] <whiskers> (http://grendel.dyndns.org/)
[08:57] <whiskers> That's it, I'm going to go shoplift, commit massive fraud against individuals, and torture cute things in full view of the public, because none of that is nearly as bad as filesharing. After all, it only hurts people, not corporations.
[08:57] <whiskers> John Rowland [wikipedia.org]  defrauded the state of Connecticut, and will be serving a measly single fucking year for it. Pimply-faced teenagers will spend more time being rectally plundered by delinquents named "Li'l Dawg" than our esteemed public servant will for racketeering, conspiract, et al.
[08:57] <whiskers> ARGH!
[08:57] <whiskers> --grendel drago
[08:57] <whiskers> well shit.
[08:58] <whiskers> he he he....Li'L Dawg
[08:58] <smouche> "rectally plundered"  heh.  Catchy, that.
[08:59] <whiskers> smouche, yes similar to the other slashdotters' understanding earlier about federal pound-me-in-the-ass prisons
[08:59] <smouche> on that inspiring theme, I will say goodnight. 
[08:59] <smouche> have a good one whiskers, membreya ...
[09:35] <whiskers> this is important about how the US citizens are being deprived of even the right to vote:
[09:35] <whiskers>     Prisons are the next 'big business'. More and more tax dollars are going to be diverted into this industry. The more over-crowding, the better, (in the eyes of the politicos).
[09:35] <whiskers> I firmly believe that prisoners should have the right to vote, and that the various state laws preventing them from voting is a big mistake. I figure that allowing prisoners to vote provides a valuable negative feedback against bad laws, since 1) in a healthy society where the laws accomodate most of the population, voting by prisoners won't have a significant effect on voting outcomes, and 2) if the lawmakers are passing so m
[09:35] <whiskers> any laws that a significant portion of your population ends up in jail, then their influence should provide valuable negative feedback against the responsible lawmakers to get the system back on track.
[09:36] <RatDude> hi ppl im having problams connecting to the net thro a betwork? i have a ip and a dns
[09:37] <RatDude> networt*
[09:41] <whiskers> finally we have a note from the US government itself on this issue:
[09:41] <whiskers> We have begun the process of outsourcing your freedom! The stormtroopers will be by shortly to collect any remaining freedoms, so we can send them to a foreign country where it will be cheaper to maintain them. In the meantime, sit tight, don't go anywhere, and please refrain from speaking with other citizens or posting to the Interweb with those blog thingies. Don't like it? Maybe you should have spoken up before the process 
[09:41] <whiskers> began, like they did in India. Have a nice day.
[09:41] <whiskers> Thanks,
[09:41] <whiskers> The Government
[09:42] <imo> hi all
[09:42] <whiskers> it is important that the government also be allowed to speak on this issue
[09:43] <whiskers> at least we are clear about what the government says.
[10:55] <verden01> Hi
[11:29] <malte> is it possible to change DPI in kde?
[11:46] <membreya> malte: what dpi are you referring to ?
[11:46] <membreya> the size of the fonts?
[11:46] <membreya> or the size of the screen res?
[11:46] <membreya> stelt: so install it
[11:47] <membreya> stelt: sudo apt-get install cdrdao
[11:47] <\sh> this is a bug...well. i have to file it in malone ,)
[11:49] <buz> which one do you guys prefer, unison or rsync?
[11:49] <membreya> the only one i use is rsync buz to mirror my linux to a seperate partition
[11:49] <buz> that's mostly what i want to use either of them as well
[11:50] <buz> on servers i use rsync
[11:50] <buz> mhh unison seems to work quite nicely
[11:50] <buz> and got a guy
[11:50] <malte> membreya, size of fonts, i think :)
[11:50] <buz> then again, scripting rsync is simple 
[11:51] <buz> and i dont need two way sync so i think i'll stick to rsync
[11:51] <\sh> https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/bugs/457
[11:51] <membreya> malte: click on your K menu, go to control centre, appearance and themes, fonts
[11:54] <membreya> buz: my script is easy sudo rsync -auv --progress --exclude "media/" --exclude "sys/" --exclude "proc/" / /media/downloads/Linux
[11:55] <buz> i only backup home right now
[11:55] <membreya> i mirror my entire install :P
[11:55] <membreya> only takes about 3 or 4 mins
[11:55] <membreya> and i cron it to run at 3am
[11:55] <buz> I SHOULD have done that before going to  breezy
[11:55] <membreya> lol
[11:56] <membreya> breezy is giving me some oddball errors at boot now
[11:56] <buz> mhh yeah
[11:56] <buz> something about keymaps not being there
[11:56] <buz> fun ensues
[11:56] <membreya> mapping of eth0 not being reliable and keymap
[11:56] <buz> yeah
[11:56] <buz> anyway when i get my new machine i'll stick a fresh hoary on it
[11:56] <buz> i think i can copy over /etc and /home and be mostly where i am now right
[11:56] <membreya> where's the fun in not getting a daily update :P
[11:57] <buz> yeah true
[11:57] <buz> but at least it works (for the most part i don't think they fixed kaffeine)
[11:57] <membreya> nope, kaffeine is still up the whazoo
[11:58] <buz> and there's still no security updates for firefox and thunderbird
[11:58] <Choubaka> Hmm.
[11:58] <membreya> i just wish they would fix https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7183
[11:58] <membreya> i use konqueror and kmail :P
[11:59] <buz> got an ati card ;-)
[11:59] <membreya> my ubuntu mailing list has just passed 7k messages wooooo :D
[11:59] <membreya> damn you!
[11:59] <buz> well i dont get to use composite
[11:59] <buz> next machine will be nvidia thats for sure
[12:00] <membreya> what CPU?
[12:00] <Choubaka> Anyone here managed to make vesafb-tng work with the newest nvidia drivers?
[12:01] <membreya> don't even know what that is :|
[12:01] <Choubaka> it's a new and improved version of vesafb
[12:02] <Choubaka> I tried using it with splashy
[12:02] <Choubaka> but it didn't quite work
[12:02] <buz> amd winchester 3000
[12:02] <buz> or venice if it ever gets released
[12:02] <membreya> i only have amd64 3200 
[12:04] <buz> well they're both athlon64
[12:04] <buz> just the 90nm variety (uses a lot less power so easier to cool -> more silence)
[12:04] <membreya> mine's not s939 ...nobody told me that would be their roadmap
[12:05] <buz> thats true
[12:05] <buz> i still wrestle with a good board
[12:05] <buz> i want pci express but no fan
[12:05] <buz> that doesn't seem to exist in switzerland
[12:05] <buz> there are a few boards like that but none is available here
[12:09] <membreya> lol, I don't believe in silence
[12:09] <membreya> my CPU Fan > http://www.digital-daily.com/cooling/gigabyte-3d-cooler/
[12:19] <buz> i won't use a cpu fan AT ALL
[12:20] <membreya> funky :D
[12:20] <buz> my future cpu cooler: http://www.scythe.co.jp/en/cooler/ncu2005.htm
[12:21] <membreya> aha it weights almost 1/2 a kg :D
[12:21] <buz> more i think
[12:21] <membreya> you don't need ANY air circulation?
[12:21] <buz> possibly http://thermaltake.com/coolers/4in1heatpipe/cl-p0071SonicTower/cl-p0071.htm
[12:21] <buz> well the psu is right above it
[12:21] <membreya> no no ..445 grams
[12:21] <buz> that's good enough
[12:21] <buz> ah i thought it was more like 650 but the thermaltake is that high
[12:22] <membreya> thermaltake looks awesome :)
[12:22] <buz> i'll see about using 1 fan in the system if i can
[12:22] <buz> well i have my doubts about it
[12:22] <buz> the fins are too close
[12:22] <membreya> but i love my 3d cooler, it has big bright blue LEDs..matches the rest of my case
[12:22] <membreya> my case lights my entire room
[12:22] <membreya> :P
[12:22] <buz> mhh i dont care for looks
[12:23] <buz> only for silence ;-)
[12:23] <membreya> my case has a window, I have to care about looks
[12:23] <membreya> :P
[12:28] <membreya> my case: http://www.antec.com/us/productDetails.php?ProdID=15001
[12:40] <buz> i got the slk3700 cheap but well built
[12:53] <membreya> got the what now? :P
[01:48] <] BreliC[> anyone else have problems with the Kubuntu updates?
[01:48] <] BreliC[> the kde-libs gave me an error
[01:48] <] BreliC[> saying it a file it was overwriting was also in knetworkconf
[01:57] <] BreliC[> here's the error i get when trying to install kdelibs-data: E: /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4-0x1.6a7820000005ap-1363.4.0-0ubuntu3.1_all.deb:  trying to overwrite `/usr/share/icons/default.kde', which is also in package knetworkconf
[01:57] <] BreliC[> anyone else experience this?
[01:57] <] BreliC[> kde-desktop was installed after I installed Ubuntu... and this was an update
[01:58] <TayloR> hmm.. to run a .run file dont i simply use './filenamehere' ?
[02:00] <TayloR> ah wait, nvm, figured it out
[02:11] <AndreH> hi, I found an update for kde today and want to do a apt-get dist-upgrade, but I get an error when kdelibs-data is unpacked saying that /usr/share/icons/default.kde cannot be replaced because it is in the package knetworkconf
[02:13] <buz> are you using breezy?
[02:13] <jude> hi
[02:15] <AndreH> no, hoary
[02:15] <buz> mhh you sure there's an upgrade for that?
[02:15] <AndreH> yes, but this update must be only a few hours old
[02:16] <AndreH> because yesterday no update was available
[02:19] <] BreliC[> AndreH, I just had the same problem
[02:19] <] BreliC[> it's the update for kdelibs-data
[02:19] <] BreliC[> glad it's not just me.. though it's kind of silly that an update is broken like that
[02:19] <AndreH> yeah there seem to be others that have the same problem: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-25294.html
[02:19] <jude> in what way is it broken? I missed the start of the discussion...
[02:20] <AndreH> but no answer :(
[02:20] <buz> if you're sure if you want to install it:
[02:20] <buz> apt-get -o "DPkg::Options::=--force-overwrite" dist-upgrade
[02:20] <buz> but don't complain if it doesnt work after wards
[02:22] <AndreH> ok, I'll try that
[02:23] <AndreH> btw: is there any changelog available where I can see what has been changed in this kde update?
[02:25] <AndreH> anyway the update worked now
[02:27] <jude> can anyone help me with a problem compiling qt apps?
[02:30] <hussam> is there something wrong with http://backports.ubuntuforums.org?
[02:30] <hussam> when I do apt-get
[02:30] <hussam> I get a Ign http://backports.ubuntuforums.org on them all
[02:31] <hussam> anybody here?
[02:31] <jude> yeah, me, but I can't help you
[02:35] <yahalom> anyone having issues with the kdelibs-data ?
[02:35] <duress> yeah
[02:35] <duress> but i managed to fix it
[02:35] <duress> :P
[02:35] <yahalom> duress: how?
[02:35] <duress> sec
[02:35] <yahalom> duress: k
[02:36] <duress> uress@ravenous:~$ sudo su -
[02:36] <duress> Password:
[02:36] <duress> root@ravenous:~ # cd /var/cache/apt/archives/
[02:36] <duress> root@ravenous:/var/cache/apt/archives # dpkg --force-overwrite -i kdelibs-data_4%3a3.4.0-0ubuntu3.1_all.deb
[02:36] <duress> that will take care of the error msg
[02:36] <hussam> is there something wrong with http://backports.ubuntuforums.org?
[02:36] <hussam> when I do apt-get
[02:36] <hussam> I get a Ign http://backports.ubuntuforums.org on them all
[02:37] <AndreH> duress: after this update, did you also have to reconfigure kde?
[02:37] <duress> yeah
[02:37] <yahalom> duress: thanx man
[02:38] <duress> in my home dir i moved .kde to .kdeold
[02:38] <duress> cause the old setup was fucked
[02:38] <duress> heh
[02:39] <Chameleon22> what package do i need to get all the extra keys working on logitech multimedia keyboard 
[02:39] <yahalom> duress: 1 correction the -i comes b4 the overwrite
[02:40] <duress> yahalom, it shouldnt matter
[02:40] <yahalom> duress: it did for me. still got the error.
[02:40] <duress> ahh
[02:40] <duress> oh well
[02:40] <yahalom> duress: so now i rename .kde to .kdeold?
[02:40] <duress> yeah and restart
[02:41] <hussam> does anybody use  http://backports.ubuntuforums.org ?
[02:42] <yahalom> duress: its a directory right?
[02:42] <hussam> http://backports.ubuntuforums.org  doesn't work for me
[02:42] <duress> yes
[02:42] <buz> LOL
[02:42] <buz> backports ubuntu moves to freebsd
[02:42] <buz> quite telling, isnt it
[02:43] <duress> how so?
[02:43] <duress> ubuntu is a nice desktop os
[02:43] <duress> :)
[02:43] <buz> i know
[02:43] <buz> but it kinda means: shiny we are, stable not so much
[02:43] <duress> cant have everything
[02:43] <buz> but it's a wise
[02:43] <buz> choice
[02:44] <buz> easily the best server os there is
[02:44] <hussam> buz: what do you mean "backports ubuntu moves to freebsd" ?
[02:44] <duress> the server they are using to host the site is freebsd
[02:45] <yahalom> duress: i have .kde twice rename both?
[02:46] <Chameleon22> what package do i need to get all the extra keys working on logitech multimedia keyboard 
[02:46] <duress> you cant have it twice in the same dir
[02:46] <yahalom> duress: but i do
[02:46] <hussam> do you know why I get "Ign http://backports.ubuntuforums.org " I can't seem to connect to it
[02:46] <duress> heh
[02:46] <duress> fine rename it and restart
[02:46] <yahalom> duress: oh crap i have everything twice lol
[02:46] <duress> eh?
[02:47] <yahalom> duress: once in a while everything i have, konqueror shows double
[02:47] <yahalom> duress: 2 documes, 2 downloads, etc
[02:48] <duress> odd
[02:48] <duress> what exactly are you using to view your directory structure?
[02:48] <yahalom> duress: yeah indeed
[02:48] <yahalom> duress: konqueror
[02:48] <duress> the console?
[02:48] <duress> oh few
[02:48] <duress> open up konsole and use that
[02:48] <duress> heh
[02:49] <yahalom> duress: i'm supposed to do cp ./kde ./kdeold right?
[02:49] <yahalom> cos it wont let me, says omitting dir
[02:49] <duress> mv .kde .kdeold
[02:49] <yahalom> duress: oh duh thanx
[02:51] <yahalom> duress: restart x or the whole cpu?
[02:52] <duress> x should do
[02:52] <yahalom> hussam: u found the app? i could use that too
[02:52] <yahalom> duress: thanx man
[02:52] <duress> np
[02:52] <yahalom> duress: u know of such an app which enables all the keys?
[02:52] <yahalom> duress: i have an a4 tech
[02:52] <duress> nope
[02:52] <duress> sorry
[02:53] <duress> google is your friend ;)
[02:53] <yahalom> duress: np...yeah ;
[02:53] <jude> yahalom: you can always do it manually with xev and xmodmap
[02:53] <yahalom> )
[02:53] <jude> I have no idea about packages to do it though
[02:53] <yahalom> jude: just apt-get xmodap and xev?
[02:53] <yahalom> jude: ok get u, where do i access xmodmap?
[02:53] <yahalom> jude: new to kde
[02:53] <jude> if they aren't installed - but that won't fix it, it'll just give you the tools to do it yourself...
[02:54] <jude> in a console try typing xev
[02:54] <yahalom> jude: unable to open display
[02:54] <yahalom> jude: do i need gdm?
[02:54] <jude> shouldn't do
[02:54] <jude> did you try xev as sudo?
[02:55] <yahalom> jude: root
[02:55] <jude> run it as your user
[02:55] <jude> doesn't need root
[02:55] <yahalom> nice
[02:55] <yahalom> no clue what that box is, where can i read on it?
[02:55] <jude> what it does is open a small window, and then the shell will reflect the codes for each key/button you press
[02:56] <jude> ie if the xev window is focussed, the shell you ran it from with show the codes for keypresses
[02:56] <yahalom> jude: ok i c that
[02:56] <yahalom> jude: so how do i use that info?
[02:56] <jude> to get the odd keys to work you need to note all their keycodes
[02:56] <jude> that's where xmodmap comes in :)
[02:57] <jude> try having a read of "man xmodmap" in a shell
[02:57] <yahalom> jude: thanx man ;)
[02:57] <jude> 's a pleasure d00d :)
[02:58] <jude> you are most likely to end up with a shell script in ~/.kde/Autostart that enables the custom shit - you'll have to write it, but it's simple enough
[03:00] <jude> yahalom: you could also look at http://www.eglug.org/node/790 for another way of doing it
[03:02] <yahalom> jude: i read it all, but didnt understand it completely
[03:02] <jude> can you collect the codes for all your odd buttons?
[03:03] <yahalom> jude: yeah i think so. i press them and it give me the code, so yes
[03:03] <jude> put those into a file in your home directory called .xmodmap - in the format shown at the top
[03:04] <yahalom> jude: what format shown at the top?
[03:04] <yahalom> jude: top of what?
[03:04] <jude> tat page I linked you
[03:04] <jude> keycode 111 = XF86Excel
[03:04] <jude> don't worry yet about what goes after the = sign#
[03:05] <jude> to start with you need a list of codes to remap
[03:05] <yahalom> jude: ah sorry missed it. got it. so the file needs to be ./xmodmap with the dash??
[03:05] <jude> the filename is .xmodmap
[03:05] <jude> and it lives in your home dir
[03:06] <yahalom> jude: yeah done that
[03:06] <jude> all the codes?
[03:06] <yahalom> jude: now just copy the whole thing i get from pressing the key?
[03:07] <jude> no - for each press you need to look for the keycode it generates - sorry, this is the manual method - I don't know of an auto one
[03:07] <skaman> hi everybody!
[03:07] <yahalom> jude: ok so lets seee...
[03:07] <yahalom> jude: keycode 234 (keysym 0x0, NoSymbol)
[03:08] <jude> thats the beast
[03:08] <yahalom> jude that part, or just keycode 234?
[03:08] <jude> add "keycode 234 = " to your file - worry about the bit after the = later - just collect all the codes you need
[03:09] <jude> then you will have a list of all the keys you want to activate IYSWIM
[03:09] <yahalom> jude: ok i got that part, np. so now keycode 234= ?
[03:09] <yahalom> jude:its a back button so i want it to go back in my browser, how?
[03:09] <jude> what do you want it to do?
[03:09] <jude> ah right :)
[03:10] <jude> hang on a sec then...
[03:10] <yahalom> jude: thanx man
[03:12] <jude> keycode 234 = XF86Back
[03:12] <jude> the list of possible commands is in /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/XKeysymDB
[03:13] <yahalom> jude: thanx man
[03:13] <jude> you are welcome
[03:14] <jude> added that to your file?
[03:14] <yahalom> jude: do i add the name or number?
[03:15] <jude> add the line exactly as i pasted it above - it's that simple :)
[03:15] <jude> keycode 234 = XF86Back
[03:15] <jude> then save the file
[03:15] <jude> with just that line in for now
[03:16] <jude> yahalom: done?
[03:16] <yahalom> jude: one sec
[03:16] <jude> k
[03:18] <yahalom> jude: ok
[03:18] <yahalom> jude: now save it
[03:18] <yahalom> jude: and type xmomap /.xmodmap ?
[03:18] <jude> save it yeah, then in a shell type "xmodmap ~/.xmodmap"
[03:18] <jude> spot on :)
[03:19] <jude> if all has gone well, that'll let you test your newly-programmed key
[03:19] <yahalom> jude: nice!
[03:19] <yahalom> jude: thats so cool man.
[03:20] <jude> did it work then? :)
[03:20] <yahalom> jude: yeah
[03:20] <yahalom> jude: so i need to use all the XF86?
[03:20] <jude> just need to do all the others then :)
[03:20] <yahalom> jude: like XF86FORWARD ?
[03:20] <jude> yeah, stick to the keycodes in that list
[03:20] <jude> but note they are probably case-sensitive
[03:20] <yahalom> jude: how do i make it do this automatically everytime the system starts up?
[03:21] <jude> the last step is to get it modifying the keycodes every time you start kde
[03:21] <jude> hehe
[03:21] <jude> start an empty text file
[03:21] <yahalom> jude: like the way i started xmodmap
[03:21] <yahalom> ?
[03:22] <jude> yup
[03:22] <yahalom> jude: ok, what shoudl i cal it?
[03:23] <jude> ~/.kde/Autostart/fix-keys
[03:23] <jude> in it you need to put 2 lines...
[03:23] <yahalom> jude: ok
[03:24] <jude> line 1: #!/bin/sh
[03:24] <jude> line 2: xmodmap ~/.xmodmap
[03:24] <jude> don't incluse the "line 1:" stuff :)
[03:25] <yahalom> jude: thats it?
[03:25] <jude> yup
[03:25] <jude> anything in that dir gets run when you start kde - job done
[03:25] <eckhart> hi
[03:25] <jude> then just keep adding the extra keys to ~/.xmodmap
[03:26] <eckhart> is kdelibs-data broken?
[03:26] <yahalom> jude: nice man. did u write a howto? many ppl have such keyboard nowadays
[03:27] <jude> yahalom: and when you are done, save the 2 files you have made on a cd or something - save you having to do it again - that should work on all linux distros
[03:27] <yahalom> jude: will do man, thanx
[03:27] <jude> write a howto? no, but it's an idea i suppose...
[03:27] <eckhart> because in kynaptic, it always says "fix broken packages first"
[03:27] <jude> eckhart: there has been some discussion in here about it
[03:27] <leni> hi all, I am having problems with my printer. I installed warty from cd and updated it to hoary. 
[03:27] <yahalom> jude: seriously
[03:27] <eckhart> ah, ok
[03:28] <yahalom> leni: autodetection probs?
[03:28] <leni> I installed the printer, but it began to "sleep" and will not print
[03:29] <leni> yahalom: i installed it manually with the gnome tool 
[03:29] <jude> he's gone m8
[03:30] <leni> currently i am trying it with the kde-tools, but I can't enter the system administration mode
[03:32] <Quinn_Storm> leni: you do know that entering admin mode requires your user pw not the root pw right? (ubuntu patched kdesu)
[03:32] <leni> i can enter my passwd but nothing changes
[03:32] <leni> Quinn_Storm: yes I know about the sudo stuff
[03:32] <Quinn_Storm> leni: ok, just checking, b/c until recently it still said "enter the root pw"
[03:33] <leni> it's strange. I gave in my password but nothing is changing. I am still in the user mode
[03:34] <jude> if that is in kcontrol, I have the same problem - can't get admin mode
[03:35] <leni> jude: yes it is.
[03:35] <leni> is there already an open bug report?
[03:35] <Quinn_Storm> are you using the latest hoary?
[03:35] <leni> yes, no upgradeable packages
[03:36] <jude> leni: try http://localhost:631/
[03:36] <jude> thats the cups admin
[03:38] <leni> jude: I already tried that. But I can't loggin. Tried it with my username and passwd and with root and my userpasswd. No success.
[03:38] <jude> ah
[03:38] <jude> then I am at the limit of my usefulness for you, sorry - i did mine that way and it worked :/
[03:39] <leni> could you loggin with root and userpasswd or with username + passwd?
[03:40] <hussam> I'm having a problem with kaffeine. it crashes when I click "open" if I already have a file open. in other words, if crashes on second open. anybody else sees this?
[03:41] <jude> leni: all I did was install, and it didn't ask for one
[03:42] <leni> jude: strange
[03:42] <jude> sorry
[03:42] <jude> I don't know much about printers
[03:42] <duress> leni download and install http://homepage.ntlworld.com/fowlerc/kaffeine_0.6-1_i386.deb
[03:42] <duress> err
[03:42] <da_bon_bon> Riddell: are u here ?
[03:42] <duress> sorry not leni
[03:42] <duress> hussam
[03:42] <leni> jude: yes, that's my problem, too. I always avoided it to have one ;)
[03:44] <hussam> duress: thanks, I'll download it now :)
[03:44] <duress> np
[03:45] <jude> can anyone help me with a problem compiling qt apps? I'm getting frustrated here :/
[03:45] <hussam> are there any usefull deb repositories other than mentioned here http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[03:48] <leni> bye
[03:48] <GameCat> bye
[03:56] <GameCat> well that worked
[03:56] <GameCat> I have registered my nick now - jude was taken
[03:57] <] BreliC[> anyone here have a problem with the Kubuntu update in kdelibs-data?
[03:57] <da_bon_bon> Riddell: are u here ?
[03:59] <KaiL> ] BreliC[: what has changed?
[03:59] <incubii> depends, what repositories you usin
[04:00] <] BreliC[> KaiL, not sure what has changed, but it errors out on installing kdelibs-data, saying that there the package also exists in knetworkconf
[04:00] <] BreliC[> i can paste the exact error, hang on
[04:00] <KaiL> oh
[04:00] <KaiL> well see soon then...
[04:00] <KaiL> will see
[04:01] <duress> duress@ravenous:~$ sudo su -
[04:01] <duress> Password:
[04:01] <duress> root@ravenous:~ # cd /var/cache/apt/archives/
[04:01] <duress> root@ravenous:/var/cache/apt/archives # dpkg -i --force-overwrite kdelibs-data_4%3a3.4.0-0ubuntu3.1_all.deb
[04:01] <duress> ] BreliC[, that will fix your problem
[04:01] <KaiL> ah, yes
[04:01] <] BreliC[> E: /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4-0x1.6a7820000005ap-1363.4.0-0ubuntu3.1_all.deb:  trying to overwrite `/usr/share/icons/default.kde', which is also in package knetworkconf
[04:01] <KaiL> tries to overwrite /usr/share/icons/default.kde from knetworkconf..
[04:01] <] BreliC[> duress, it won't cause any stability issues?
[04:02] <duress> its working fine for me
[04:02] <] BreliC[> heh, ok
[04:02] <duress> i did have to rename .kde to .kdeold
[04:02] <] BreliC[> i never use kde anyway, just have it installed for certain apps that i like
[04:02] <duress> from my home dir
[04:02] <duress> ahh
[04:02] <KaiL> ] BreliC[: it's just a folder
[04:03] <KaiL> duno, why apt cries
[04:03] <] BreliC[> ok
[04:03] <] BreliC[> will try that
[04:03] <] BreliC[> thanks
[04:03] <duress> np
[04:03] <] BreliC[> so i have to rename the .kde folder after the update?  or before?
[04:03] <duress> doesnt matter
[04:03] <KaiL> just do the --force-overwrite and nothing else
[04:04] <duress> if you dont use the kde desktop you wont need to do the folder rename
[04:04] <KaiL> duress: do the 2 folders have different permissions?
[04:04] <duress> the .kde folder?
[04:04] <KaiL> yes
[04:04] <duress> let me check
[04:04] <KaiL> I thought, folders get silently overwritten, if they exist
[04:05] <duress> same permissions
[04:05] <KaiL> strange
[04:05] <duress> i had issues with the taskbar in kde after the upgrade so i just renamed .kde to .kdeold and the kde setup ran again
[04:12] <segfault2k> hi
[04:13] <yahalom> how do i totally remove kubuntu. i screwed it up and want a fresh installation. but everytime i apt-get it again it gives me my previous screwed up settings
[04:13] <yahalom> i've removed everything kde related in synaptic
[04:13] <GameCat> yahalom: what did you do?
[04:13] <GameCat> ah right
[04:13] <GameCat> whoops :)
[04:13] <Quinn_Storm> yahalom: you have to --purge everything not just remove...not sure how in synaptic
[04:14] <yahalom> GameCat i did mv /.kde /.kdeold
[04:14] <yahalom> then it brought me totally kde settings i want kubuntu settings
[04:14] <segfault2k> [10:13]  <yahalom> how do i totally remove kubuntu. well, download a "fresh" iso :P
[04:14] <GameCat> yahalom: I'm jude btw - couldn't register that nick so changed it :)
[04:14] <yahalom> so i tried moving it back but nothing
[04:15] <yahalom> GameCat, hey man.
[04:15] <segfault2k> apt-get remove --purge kde
[04:15] <markc> Riddell: would you happen to be alive ?
[04:15] <yahalom> GameCat, u know that data-libs file?
[04:15] <segfault2k> apt-get remove --purge kdebase kdeaddons kdemultimedia
[04:15] <GameCat> yahalom: try just removing .kde and rebooting? kde might rebuild itself?
[04:15] <segfault2k> apt-get remove --purge kdebase kdeaddons kdemultimedia arts kdenetwork 
[04:15] <GameCat> yahalom: yeah, i decided to wait til the update was fixed :)
[04:15] <segfault2k> then.. rm -rf ~/.kde
[04:16] <yahalom> GameCat, good choice
[04:16] <KaiL> anybody an expert in debugging ACPI?
[04:16] <yahalom> segfault2k, i want kubuntu not kde by their settings
[04:16] <segfault2k> reinstall it
[04:16] <segfault2k> :S
[04:16] <yahalom> GameCat, u think removing the /.kde will work?
[04:16] <GameCat> no idea
[04:16] <segfault2k> if you remove .kde
[04:16] <yahalom> i resintalled it, but i still had the same messed up settings
[04:17] <markc> would anyone happen to know anything about d-i and the livecd ?
[04:17] <GameCat> my advice all comes with a "this might be total nonsense" disclaimer :)
[04:17] <segfault2k> your kde start as the first run wizard
[04:17] <yahalom> segfault2k, right, but it starts with kde settings, no kubuntu lipstik and splash screen and home folder option on the bar, etc
[04:18] <segfault2k> add by yourself!
[04:18] <segfault2k> lipstik in kcontrol, splash screen to
[04:18] <segfault2k> s/to/too
[04:19] <incubii> which is better xmule or amule ?
[04:19] <GameCat> yahalom: remember to keep your keyboard files before killing it :)
[04:19] <yahalom> GameCat, i saved them to my home folder
[04:20] <GameCat> sort3d
[04:21] <] BreliC[> incubii, are they for edk files?  if so, the command line overnet client is the best.. no overhead, simple...
[04:23] <incubii> i dunno i was just after something different to gtk-gnutella
[04:24] <incubii> xmule and amule are in the repos
[04:24] <] BreliC[> in that case, have you tried apollon?  http://apollon.sf.net
[04:25] <] BreliC[> connects to the gnutella, fastrack (Kazaa) and openft networks at the same time
[04:26] <markc> ] BreliC[> oh, is apoolon Qt based
[04:29] <Foodcoman> What did the KDE -libs and data updates fix? Anyone?
[04:29] <Foodcoman> Just noticed the upgrades.
[04:30] <markc> Foodcoman> is this for hoary ?
[04:30] <Foodcoman> markc: Sorry, Yeah.
[04:30] <markc> Foodcoman> cool, time for an update
[04:31] <GameCat> beware, the update is kinda borked
[04:31] <Foodcoman> markc: cant wait to see whats fixed!
[04:31] <markc> hmm, now he tells us :)
[04:31] <Foodcoman> GameCat: Bummer
[04:32] <Foodcoman> hahaha. I have it rolling.
[04:32] <GameCat> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-25294.html
[04:33] <Foodcoman> Solution at bottom of thread!  Thanks GameCat 
[04:34] <GameCat> np
[04:34] <markc> wow, 17.2 mb off updates.. first time I've had new kubuntu packages
[04:34] <markc> virgin
[04:34] <markc> was
[04:34] <markc> :)
[04:34] <GameCat> there's always a first time :)
[04:35] <markc> I hope it's safe
[04:35] <Foodcoman> I just came over from Mandrake, Mandriva, Mandrivel.....What ever they seem to want to call it.
[04:35] <Foodcoman> markc: be sure to use protection =)
[04:35] <markc> Foodcoman> oh, you a virgin too :)
[04:36] <segfault2k> wtf?
[04:36] <segfault2k> XD
[04:36] <Foodcoman> Not with KDE, but with Ubuntu I am new.  I love apt-get!!!!!!
[04:37] <GameCat> yeah, but wait til you try to compile a kde app :/
[04:37] <markc> Foodcoman> yeah, it's hard to beat... I am emerging (gentoo) and apt'ing at the moment... and one of them is a hell of a lot quicker than the other!
[04:37] <Foodcoman> Gonna have to use the thread fix.... Its broke..... =(  Damn.
[04:39] <markc> well these packages came from hoary-security, so I guess there might have been some security issues, nice to know that side of things is working
[04:39] <markc> anyone here tried breezy yet ?
[04:41] <] BreliC[> GameCat, what's the difficulty in compiling a kde app?
[04:41] <] BreliC[> GameCat, other than Ubuntu not installing gcc by default :)
[04:41] <Foodcoman> Solution at bottom of thread installed clean.
[04:42] <GameCat> ] BreliC[: checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.0.3) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation!
[04:42] <Foodcoman> I havent!  What is breezy?
[04:42] <] BreliC[> GameCat, which qt do you have?
[04:42] <GameCat> ] BreliC[: can't suss it out - have all the qt stuff installed as far as i can see
[04:42] <markc> Foodcoman> the next release after hoary... it's started, apparently
[04:43] <] BreliC[> GameCat, and what are you trying to compile?
[04:43] <markc> Foodcoman> did youget the kdelibs-data problem ?
[04:43] <GameCat> ] BreliC[: it happens with any qt app i try (so far anyway)
[04:43] <GameCat> $ dpkg -l|grep qt
[04:43] <GameCat> ii  dbus-qt-1      0.23.4-0ubuntu simple interprocess messaging system (Qt-bas
[04:43] <GameCat> ii  libqt3-headers 3.3.3-7ubuntu3 Qt3 header files
[04:43] <GameCat> ii  libqt3-mt-dev  3.3.3-7ubuntu3 Qt development files (Threaded)
[04:43] <GameCat> ii  libqt3c102     3.3.3-7ubuntu3 Qt GUI Library, Version 3
[04:43] <GameCat> ii  libqt3c102-mt  3.3.3-7ubuntu3 Qt GUI Library (Threaded runtime version), V
[04:43] <GameCat> ii  pinentry-qt    0.7.1-5        Qt-based PIN or pass-phrase entry dialog for
[04:43] <GameCat> ii  qt3-designer   3.3.3-7ubuntu3 Qt3 Designer
[04:43] <GameCat> ii  qt3-dev-tools  3.3.3-7ubuntu3 Qt3 development tools
[04:44] <GameCat> ] BreliC[: this is a pretty vanilla kubuntu
[04:44] <] BreliC[> GameCat, did you try passing the qt libraries and headers dir with ./configure ?
[04:45] <GameCat> yup
[04:45] <GameCat> $ ./configure --prefix=/usr --with-qt-dir=/usr/include/qt3
[04:45] <GameCat> same result
[04:46] <] BreliC[> hmm
[04:46] <Foodcoman> markc: Yeah exactly the error!  I did the solution at the bottom of the thread gamecat posted.
[04:46] <Foodcoman> markc: Seemed to work without a hitch.
[04:47] <markc> Foodcoman> yes, the --force-overwrite option, so you got it
[04:47] <Foodcoman> markc: I am without a problem now..
[04:48] <] BreliC[> GameCat, i'll have to try to compile one here and see if i can reproduce it
[04:48] <GameCat> ] BreliC[: cheers
[04:48] <markc> Foodcoman> cool, and hopefully we are still safe :)
[04:49] <GameCat> ] BreliC[: http://www.cs.unc.edu/~scheuerm/fireapplet/ thats what I'm trying today - been trying for a while to suss this...
[04:49] <markc> has anyone fiddled with the debian-installer directly ?
[04:50] <Foodcoman> Looks like they fixed the control center password issue maybe.
[04:52] <ryanblack> I have a quick question maybe someone could answer for me... I had/have ubuntu ... I threw in a kubuntu cd and loaded kde because I like that better.. I removed gnome... for some reason - despite trying to remove and reinstall the fglrx ati drivers I cannot get opengl to work
[04:52] <ryanblack> :-\
[04:52] <ryanblack> where would I configure what "screen" it's using
[04:52] <ryanblack> I think that's the problem
[04:54] <GameCat> ryanblack:  that'd be in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:54] <ryanblack> I was thinking that was the answer..
[04:54] <ryanblack> I tried running fglrxconf
[04:54] <ryanblack> to make another
[04:54] <ryanblack> all after gnome was gone
[04:54] <ryanblack> and no opengl.. :-(
[04:54] <GameCat> bummer
[04:55] <ryanblack> I don't get it..
[04:56] <ryanblack> I think in some way I was running gdm under kdm and kde or something like that
[04:56] <Foodcoman> Interesting link from Slashdot about New optics for X.  Click on the screen for shots. http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/tr?lp=de_en&url=http%3A//www.golem.de/0504/37579.html
[04:56] <ryanblack> gnome apps still ran in gnome windows from within kde until I removed it
[04:56] <Foodcoman> Looks like you peel back applications.
[04:57] <ryanblack> I've seen that... 
[04:57] <ryanblack> neat stuff
[04:57] <Foodcoman> Impress all your friends!   hehehe
[04:58] <ryanblack> I am getting tiger today..
[04:58] <ryanblack> I am actually at work on my pb now..
[04:58] <ryanblack> <--- apple tech
[04:58] <Foodcoman> Kubuntu, Old thinkpad R40... Works.... No magic here!
[05:01] <Foodcoman> Anyone have a link to breezy information?
[05:03] <Super_Cat_Frog> hi - im still having problems with my my udev. yesterday my udev.conf disapeared (i must have unwittingly updated it) - it wouldn't boot past "Starting Hotplug SubSystem". i got the udev.conf from the 0.50 udev, and now that wont add the /dev/hd* device nodes, so none of my filesystems will mount
[05:03] <Super_Cat_Frog> any help with that would be, er, groovy
[05:03] <`TUX``> hi all 
[05:03] <Super_Cat_Frog> hello
[05:03] <Foodcoman> I'm too stupid, sorry.
[05:04] <Super_Cat_Frog> fair 'nuff
[05:04] <GameCat> sorry Super_Cat_Frog - I can't help
[05:04] <Foodcoman> Check ubuntu also if quiet here.
[05:04] <Super_Cat_Frog> ok ta
[05:04] <GameCat> yeah, that won't be a kde question
[05:05] <Super_Cat_Frog> nope
[05:05] <Super_Cat_Frog> i just feel better in this room because people dont try to infect you with gnomeyness ;)
[05:05] <markc> yeah, good point ... #ubuntu for non-kde stuff
[05:06] <zAo^> can anyone help me with this plz:
[05:06] <zAo^> trying to overwrite `/usr/share/icons/default.kde', which is also in package knetworkconf
[05:06] <zAo^> Errors were encountered while processing:
[05:06] <zAo^>  /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4%3a3.4.0-0ubuntu3.1_all.deb
[05:06] <segfault2k> i have the same error
[05:06] <markc> dpkg --force-overwrite -i /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4%3a3.4.0-0ubuntu3.1_all.deb
[05:07] <Foodcoman> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-25294.html  bottom of thread.
[05:07] <markc> t'was in my history
[05:07] <Foodcoman> Thank Gamecat.
[05:07] <zAo^> I know, but what will I remove?
[05:07] <markc> nothing, the same config file is in both packages
[05:07] <Foodcoman> I have no operational difference, and lost no configuration.
[05:09] <zAo^> thanks. Seems to work :)
[05:11] <Foodcoman> What a team!  Fix anything, or delegate to Ubuntu!   hehehe. 518 nicks over there.
[05:12] <zAo^> Why isnt Klibido not in the repos of Kubuntu?
[05:12] <zAo^> is^^
[05:13] <Foodcoman> You have added repos?
[05:13] <Foodcoman> Or are you using the base?
[05:14] <zAo^> added multiuniverse
[05:14] <Foodcoman> checking mine.
[05:14] <zAo^> klibido rocks!
[05:14] <buz> it would if i had a good newsserver
[05:14] <Mithsir> Hi! Is anyone running openoffice on hoary amd64?
[05:14] <linkin> yeah, thats right zAo^
[05:14] <linkin> :)
[05:15] <buz> but my isps newsserver sucks donkeyass
[05:16] <linkin> sorry, but I've a problem :(
[05:16] <linkin> with ./configure
[05:16] <GameCat> ] BreliC[: checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.0.3) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation!
[05:16] <GameCat> linkin: that one?
[05:16] <linkin> JOA!
[05:16] <zAo^> what linkin ?
[05:17] <Foodcoman> I dont have either zAo^ 
[05:17] <zAo^> Foodcoman: :(
[05:17] <linkin> GameCat: yes!
[05:17] <Foodcoman> The hunt begins.
[05:17] <linkin> i don't know, i have to fix it :(
[05:17] <duress> zAo^, try pan
[05:17] <GameCat> linkin: I have the same problem, and no fix yet, sorry
[05:18] <zAo^> duress: pan sucks imo: it uses 400MB of RAM
[05:18] <linkin> ./configure --prefix=/opt/kde3 --with-qt-dir=/usr/lib/qt3
[05:18] <duress> 400? heh
[05:18] <linkin> this should fix the problem... but i will get the same error...
[05:18] <duress> works fine for me
[05:18] <Foodcoman> I tried PAM, but have not check out Klibido.
[05:18] <GameCat> linkin: yeah, i tried that too
[05:19] <linkin> GameCat: So... I've to use theses deb files?...
[05:19] <linkin> -s
[05:19] <GameCat> linkin: no idea - i haven't got that option, just some source :/
[05:19] <Foodcoman> zAo^: Might have to build it.
[05:20] <linkin> GameCat: Thats right :( ...
[05:20] <zAo^> Foodcoman: installed the deb, but I'd like to see it in the (k)ubuntu-repo's
[05:20] <GameCat> linkin: and I hate to disillusion you, but I've been trying to get a fix for this problem for days now...
[05:21] <linkin> GameCat: I've checked the debian files... for qt3
[05:21] <linkin> ...i could use ./configure... but not make / make install -.-
[05:21] <GameCat> I haven't even got that far
[05:22] <linkin> (deb files from packages.debian.org
[05:22] <linkin> )
[05:22] <linkin> (DON'T TRY THIS AT HOME!)
[05:22] <GameCat> don't worry, I won't :)
[05:22] <zAo^> what is wrong with pop3 && gmail? Kmail cant connect anymore :S
[05:22] <duress> zAo^, http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/klibido/klibido_0.2.2-1_i386.deb?download
[05:22] <duress> you can download the debian package and install it
[05:22] <duress> woops
[05:22] <duress> n/m
[05:23] <duress> you did it
[05:23] <duress> :P
[05:23] <ryanblack> gmail works sometimes and sometimes not.. via pop3 it seems
[05:23] <linkin> thats the old file
[05:23] <linkin> ^^
[05:23] <zAo^> duress: I did so :) I only requested it for the official repo :)
[05:23] <ryanblack> I have issues using it with mail in os x every so often
[05:23] <Foodcoman> zAo^: Agreed!
[05:23] <zAo^> hmm :-S strange Gmail
[05:24] <linkin> (has anyone installed KLibido 0.2.2.2?)
[05:24] <linkin> (by deb?)
[05:24] <ryanblack> so.... anyone here use kubuntu and an ati card...?
[05:24] <ryanblack> lol
[05:24] <zAo^> I did linkin 
[05:24] <zAo^> I do ryanblack 
[05:25] <linkin> zAo^: i do it too :)
[05:25] <ryanblack> ah...
[05:25] <linkin> do anyone need this little nice package? :D
[05:25] <ryanblack> I installed ubuntu... and then via a kubuntu cd put kde on because I prefer it..
[05:25] <ryanblack> I had the ati drivers working perfectly before the installation of kubuntu
[05:25] <zAo^> well? :)
[05:25] <ryanblack> when I put that on... opengl stopped working
[05:26] <zAo^> check your /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[05:26] <zAo^> what does the log say?
[05:26] <ryanblack> the only error I have seen is something like screen (0.0)...
[05:26] <ryanblack> why would kdm not be able to use that conf that worked perfectly with gnome?
[05:26] <linkin> (gmail works perfectly by pop) :P
[05:26] <ryanblack> perfectly sometimes..
[05:26] <ryanblack> lol
[05:26] <zAo^> linkin: in kmail?
[05:27] <linkin> (no Thunderbird ;)
[05:27] <zAo^> ryanblack: here I had no probs
[05:27] <zAo^> ryanblack: some configfile?
[05:27] <zAo^> same ^^
[05:27] <ryanblack> maybe I should just reinstall using the kubuntu cd
[05:27] <zAo^> ryanblack: why? :S
[05:27] <zAo^> this is not win32
[05:27] <ryanblack> I tried rerunning the fglrxconf to make another xorg.conf
[05:27] <ryanblack> no luck...
[05:27] <zAo^> still got your old conf?
[05:28] <ryanblack> I tried removing the package and putting it on..
[05:28] <ryanblack> I did back that up
[05:28] <ryanblack> the one that worked with gnome
[05:28] <zAo^> when you start GDM, is there a difference?
[05:28] <ryanblack> accel works then
[05:28] <zAo^> is the module loaded? (lsmod -l | grep fglrx)
[05:28] <zAo^> wow; strange
[05:29] <zAo^> when you start gdm and then logon into KDE?
[05:31] <ryanblack> yes
[05:32] <ryanblack> the error has something to do with screen and screen1 ... would something have been messed up
[05:32] <Foodcoman> Super_cat_frog didnt seem to make it back after his reboot.
[05:32] <Foodcoman> Oh yeah he did, in ubuntu
[05:33] <zAo^> ryanblack: what error? plz be precise
[05:33] <zAo^> (damn english :))
[05:33] <ryanblack> I am sorry I am not at the box now... I will find out...
[05:33] <ryanblack> :-\
[05:33] <zAo^> k :)
[05:33] <ryanblack> I am at work on a powerbook
[05:33] <ryanblack> no net at home as of now since  I am moving..
[05:33] <zAo^> ah; with ubuntu? :)
[05:33] <linkin> if anyone needs something from me... write down my nickname
[05:34] <zAo^> linkin 
[05:34] <linkin> i will get a hugh message on my screen... with WARNING!!!! SOMEONE HAS POST YOUR NAME!!!
[05:34] <linkin> yes ;)
[05:34] <zAo^> lol
[05:34] <zAo^> konversation?
[05:34] <zAo^> gaim ;_)
[05:34] <linkin> YEAH!
[05:34] <linkin> right ;
[05:34] <linkin> )
[05:35] <GameCat> linkin: nothing important, just wanted to make big letters appear on your screen :)
[05:35] <linkin>  zAo^: Received CTCP 'VERSION' (to linkin) from zAo^
[05:35] <zAo^> :)
[05:37] <ryanblack> lemmie test my notification someone say my name
[05:37] <zAo^> ryanblack: 
[05:37] <ryanblack> wohoo
[05:37] <zAo^> OSD?
[05:37] <ryanblack> thanks
[05:37] <ryanblack> colloquy works well
[05:39] <bleertep> elrondo|sonne
[05:58] <skaman> hi guys
[05:59] <zAo^> lo skaman 
[05:59] <CellarDoor> hi :)
[06:00] <zAo^> lol :D
[06:01] <skaman> i wanna share my printer (installed on my kubuntu box) with my ibook laptop
[06:01] <skaman> i setted up cups
[06:01] <zAo^> still having that prob? :)
[06:01] <skaman> do i have to open port 631 in the router or isn't necessary
[06:01] <zAo^> tried #linux ?
[06:02] <skaman> i ask there
[06:02] <zAo^> reg first ;)
[06:12] <Super_Cat_Frog> skaman - unless you want to share your printer over the internet, no dont open the cups port on your router
[06:20] <buz> and now for something completely different: http://www.backuptrauma.com/video/default2.aspx
[06:21] <ryanblack> lol I can see it now.... 50+ pages of a giant black rectangle...
[06:22] <ryanblack> just like those damn "we want your empty ink cartridges"  faxes that are 3/4 black ink on the page..
[06:23] <buz> nono you need flash
[06:23] <buz> john cleese is worth it ;-)
[06:28] <mers> hi
[06:28] <skaman> how do i get cups listening to my laptop?
[06:29] <mers> place them near ur laptop?
[06:29] <skaman> ...
[06:30] <mers> lol
[06:32] <mers> finally a debian flavored nix...
[06:32] <mers> :)
[06:56] <skaman> i think i found a bug
[06:57] <skaman> kcontrol crashes when configuring cups
[06:57] <skaman> :S
[07:08] <markc> anyone got skype, and bored ?
[07:09] <zAo^> bored; yes
[07:09] <zAo^> skype; yes
[07:09] <zAo^> working skype? no :(
[07:09] <zAo^> cs46xx soundcard >> no skype
[07:15] <lars> kann mir einer sagen was ich in die source list schreibnen soll damit ich bei debian packete saugen kann ? 
[07:17] <buz> i wouldn't do that
[07:17] <buz> you'll get compatibility problems almost for sure
[07:19] <markc> zAo^> alsa ?
[07:20] <markc> zAo^> are you using alsa with your cs46xx  card ?
[07:29] <zAo^> sorry: yes
[07:51] <_thiago> hi
[07:51] <_thiago> does anybody has a cock
[07:51] <_thiago> ?
[07:52] <GilaMnstr> does kweather work?
[07:52] <_thiago> does my ass work
[07:53] <GilaMnstr> I have not locations in the Weather Station Options
[07:53] <KaiL> no Idea about your ass, but kweather works
[07:54] <KaiL> you need to set a location there ;)
[07:54] <GilaMnstr> hmm the pull down has nothing and no text box to enter a location
[07:55] <_thiago> oi algum ai do Brasil?
[07:57] <Vorik> hi
[08:01] <Vorik> anyone home?
[08:02] <_thiago> hi Vorik
[08:18] <sdogi> hey ubuntuk people
[08:18] <sdogi> cool
[08:18] <sdogi> would be nice to speak with someone, having some overlapping issue here
[08:19] <sdogi> with upgrades
[08:23] <rrichie> hi all
[08:23] <malte> http://www.henrik-alexandersson.se/#050421c <- in swedish, but you get the picture
[08:24] <rrichie> i just would like to know if it is a good idea to specify debian sid mirrors in sources.list ?
[08:24] <malte> rrichie, it isn't 
[08:25] <rrichie> malte : are there some other repository to specify ?
[08:25] <Foodcoman> sdogi: if you ran the KDE update, the error is in the ubuntu forums with a fix.  Sorry I dont have the URL anymore
[08:25] <malte> rrichie, do you have multiverse/universe?
[08:25] <sdogi> oh, well i just got rid of kubuntu-desktop package
[08:26] <rrichie> euh .... don't know
[08:26] <rrichie> i've just installed it
[08:26] <sdogi> i guess it was something like that
[08:26] <rrichie> don't know the difference
[08:26] <Foodcoman> I have it in my shell history.
[08:26] <Vorik> hi
[08:26] <malte> rrichie, then you probably don't have those. add (or uncomment) "deb http://se.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy universe multiverse" to the sources.list
[08:27] <Vorik> does anyone have troubles with the kdelibs-data package?
[08:27] <Foodcoman> 1) apt-get remove knetworkconf
[08:28] <Vorik> me?
[08:28] <Foodcoman> 2) apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:28] <Foodcoman> 3) apt-get install knetworkconf
[08:28] <rrichie> malte : ok thanks for your help
[08:28] <Foodcoman> Has worked for several of us.
[08:28] <Vorik> okay
[08:28] <Vorik> i'll try
[08:29] <malte> rrichie, np. you should have access to most of debian sid's packages now
[08:29] <Vorik> it says that it will remove kubuntu-desktop
[08:29] <Vorik> then i'll lose kde right?
[08:29] <rrichie> ok, i was a debian fan and i've just installed kubuntu : It seems to be a great disto !
[08:29] <malte> Vorik, no, that's just an empty meta package 
[08:30] <Vorik> oh ok
[08:30] <malte> but do reinstall it after you're done
[08:30] <Foodcoman> Vorik: I did not loose my KDE what are you trying right now.
[08:30] <Vorik> knetworkconf
[08:30] <Vorik> sorry wrong window :)
[08:30] <Foodcoman> Scared me for a minute!   I know it worked.
[08:32] <Vorik> is there a way to force the uninstall or something? It keeps nagging me about the broken package
[08:32] <rrichie> malte : i have that in sources.list : deb http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[08:32] <rrichie> what is the difference between hoary and breezy ?
[08:32] <Foodcoman> hrmm.  I didnt run into that
[08:34] <Vorik> hmm cant seem to get rid of it
[08:34] <Vorik> any ideas?
[08:34] <Foodcoman> Checking
[08:36] <malte> rrichie, oh, sorry... breezy is the development tree of ubuntu
[08:36] <malte> you'll want hoary if you want stability
[08:36] <rrichie> ok no problem :)
[08:36] <rrichie> maybe i'll try breezy ... but later ... :)
[08:36] <malte> you can just add multiverse to your universe line 
[08:36] <malte> hehe, ok :)
[08:37] <rrichie> what's the difference between multiverse and universe?
[08:37] <Foodcoman> Vorik: Maybe try option 2) 1st then apt-get --reinstall install knetworkconf
[08:38] <Vorik> pl
[08:38] <Vorik> ok
[08:39] <Vorik> still the error
[08:39] <Vorik> i'll paste it
[08:39] <Vorik> -----------------------------
[08:39] <Vorik> root@workstation:/home/ger2 # apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:39] <Vorik> Pakketlijsten worden ingelezen... Klaar
[08:39] <Vorik> Boom van vereisten wordt opgebouwd... Klaar
[08:39] <Vorik> U kunt 'apt-get -f install' uitvoeren om dit op te lossen.
[08:39] <Vorik> De volgende pakketten hebben niet-voldane vereisten:
[08:39] <Vorik>   kdelibs: Vereisten: kdelibs-data (>= 4:3.4.0-0ubuntu3.1) maar 4:3.4.0-0ubuntu3 is genstalleerd
[08:39] <Vorik> E: Er zijn vereisten waaraan niet voldaan is. Probeer -f te gebruiken.
[08:39] <Vorik> root@workstation:/home/ger2 #
[08:39] <Vorik> -------------------------
[08:39] <Vorik> it's dutch, but i'll translate if you like
[08:40] <Foodcoman> I am an american swine!  Sorry I cant read it.
[08:40] <Vorik> first 2 lines are normal
[08:40] <Vorik> then: You can run 'apt-get -f install' to resolve this
[08:41] <Vorik> the following packages have not satisfied demands:
[08:41] <Foodcoman> Vorik: I will be back, work calls, but also ask in ubuntu, but dont mention KDE, just say a package!   =)
[08:41] <Vorik> kdelibs-data is too old
[08:41] <Vorik> Okay :)
[08:41] <Vorik> thaks
[08:41] <Vorik> thanks
[08:50] <rrichie> is there a kdetv package for ubuntu ?
[08:58] <bhna> rrichie; no, not yte
[08:58] <bhna> *yet
[08:58] <pr3vi0uz> how do u mount a hardrive?
[08:59] <bhna> are there any problems with the kde-libs update?
[08:59] <pr3vi0uz>  it shows the  hardrive  but its not mounted
[09:00] <bhna> pr3vi0uz: mount /dev/hdx /where do you want
[09:00] <bhna> pr3vi0uz: sudo mount /dev/hdx /where do you want
[09:03] <pr3vi0uz> ok bhna  this is  what it says now  "type  unmounted hard disk volume" "location /media
[09:03] <\sh> does anybody have time to test something?
[09:03] <\sh> k3b + vcdimager==fails for me with an error...
[09:03] <\sh> k3b 0.11.23 and vcdimager 0.7.20
[09:03] <\sh> (hoary versions)
[09:04] <\sh> if anybody can roger that :) would be nice
[09:10] <bhna> has anybody tested the kde-libs update?
[09:11] <AndreH> yes
[09:11] <AndreH> it works but I had to add --force-overwrite so that it installed
[09:11] <bhna> why
[09:12] <AndreH> because it says that another package called knetworkconf is using a file that is included in the kde update
[09:12] <AndreH> you'll see if you update it
[09:15] <bhna> AndreH: is this the normal behavior for an update or is this a bug?
[09:16] <buz> bug i'd say
[09:19] <bhna> buz: is there an bugreport?
[09:19] <buz> dunno
[09:21] <phunky> I have some volume up/down keys and a mute button on the front of my laptop. In windoews they automatically control volume. How do I set them to do that in kubuntu?
[09:21] <bhna> just reading
[09:22] <whiskers> has anybody tested the deb making approach in alien....does it somehow figure out all dependencies
[09:22] <whiskers> for package installation purposes
[09:23] <whiskers> for example...if i build a tarball, then zip up the whole directory and use alien to make a deb of the zip....does it know all the dependencies for packaging purposes
[09:24] <whiskers> has anybody ever worked with that thing
[09:26] <whiskers> or would autopackage be an easier approach
[09:27] <whiskers> hey doesn't anybody know anything around here
[09:33] <Choubaka> whiskers: no, it doesn't figure out dependencies.
[09:33] <Choubaka> It would be one miracle app if it did.
[09:37] <_-InMa-_> buenas noches, bona nit, good night.
[09:37] <whiskers> Choubaka, yea...that is what has always bothered me about debs and rpms and urpmis and all that other jazz....how do they know all the dependencies that need to be installed with the program
[09:38] <Choubaka> You define the dependencies when you create the package. :)
[09:38] <Choubaka> in debian/control iirc.
[09:39] <Choubaka> Debian new maintainer's guide is quite good. Read it :)
[09:39] <whiskers> Choubaka, ok i will go read it
[09:40] <whiskers> Choubaka, but i don't see how you can know all the dependencies that need to be installed with the executable
[09:42] <rrichie> hi all
[09:43] <rrichie> i have a problem : When i try a command that must be run as root (ex. kuser or Administrator mode in kde control center), i type the good password but it says it is the wrong password? someone has an idea ?
[09:43] <whiskers> Choubaka, well i see something about Build-Essential Packages....but uh...it doesn't seem coherent....just a piece of text out of something larger...that i don't know what
[09:44] <whiskers> Choubaka, it says Begin List of Packages....text insert here...End List of Packages.....but in what
[09:44] <Choubaka> whiskers: the developer who makes the .deb usually has to find out what it requires to build and to use.
[09:45] <whiskers> Choubaka, oh..what a bunch of crap....hey does autopackage do all this stuff automatically
[09:45] <Choubaka> not to my knowledge
[09:45] <Choubaka> when creating an autopackage, the dependencies are also defined.
[09:46] <yogi> hi
[09:46] <Choubaka> The trick is, the person creating the packages is usually someone who knows the software very well. :)
[09:46] <Choubaka> and you can use ldd to see what libraries an executable has been linked against.
[09:46] <whiskers> Choubaka, well how in the hell do they know the package need libstrangestversion1.2.3.4.5.6.7..8.9 and not libstrangestversion1.2.3.4.5.6.7.8.9.10
[09:47] <Choubaka> ldd
[09:47] <Choubaka> :)
[09:47] <Choubaka> it all depends what you compile the packages against.
[09:47] <rrichie> please help me
[09:50] <Choubaka> whiskers: let's assume libfoo 1.2.x is compatible with 1.2.y, but not with 1.3.z; now, when you compile package foo  against libfoo 1.2.0, you will have to define a dependency "libfoo (< 1.3.0)"
[09:51] <Choubaka> this dependency will be satisfied with any libfoo 1.2, but not with libfoo 1.3
[09:52] <yogi> I LOVE UBUNTU!!!!!!
[09:52] <Choubaka> :)
[09:53] <Choubaka> I love it too. <3
[09:53] <rrichie> yogi : 1 bug to resolv and i love it too
[09:53] <rrichie> but it's true that is very impressive
[09:54] <Choubaka> hmm.
[09:54] <Choubaka> rrichie: are you typing your own password?
[09:54] <rrichie> yes
[09:54] <Choubaka> ok
[09:54] <rrichie> it is very strange
[09:55] <Choubaka> so it sounds like you're not in /etc/sudoers
[09:55] <rrichie> but i'm french, i first tried to type it as on a azerty keyboard and i also tried on qwerty
[09:55] <Choubaka> does sudo work at all?
[09:55] <rrichie> euh ... didn't try it
[09:55] <rrichie> rrichie is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported
[09:55] <Choubaka> mh
[09:55] <rrichie> so .. no :)
[09:56] <Choubaka> are you the user created during installation?
[09:56] <rrichie> yes
[09:56] <Choubaka> try logging in as root.
[09:56] <rrichie> in sudoers i only have :
[09:56] <rrichie> root    ALL=(ALL) ALL
[09:56] <Choubaka> aha.
[09:57] <rrichie> rrichie     ALL=(ALL) ALL ?
[09:57] <Choubaka> that's there too?
[09:57] <rrichie> no*
[09:57] <Choubaka> oh. add that there
[09:57] <rrichie> ok
[09:57] <Choubaka> I wonder why you even have root there.
[09:58] <rrichie> i've always seen it there
[09:58] <rrichie> choubaka : it asks me the root password
[09:59] <rrichie> oh great it resolvs my problem
[09:59] <rrichie> thanks a lot choubaka
[10:01] <yahalom> i need a script to run at kde startup can anyone help me?
[10:04] <whiskers> Choubaka, exactly....your comment about libfoo is absolutely correct
[10:05] <whiskers> Choubaka, but how the hell do they know this stuff
[10:05] <Choubaka> whiskers: they figure it out. they read the software "README" and "INSTALL" files, they use ldd etc.
[10:06] <[square] > how can translate kubuntu in italian?
[10:06] <Choubaka> then the package manager just reads the dependencies and tries to satisfy them.
[10:06] <Choubaka> [square] : you mean, enable an italian translation?
[10:07] <[square] > i want italian kde
[10:07] <Choubaka> sudo apt-get install language-support-it
[10:07] <[square] > ok thanks
[10:07] <Choubaka> then select italian language in the login screen.
[10:07] <Choubaka> that should do it 
[10:12] <Anlar> Umm. Kubuntu rules. :P
[10:12] <jeronim> except when you lose the menu :(
[10:12] <jeronim> any idea how to get it back?
[10:13] <Anlar> lose the menu?
[10:13] <jeronim> the menu from which you start programs
[10:13] <jeronim> it vanished
[10:13] <Anlar> add the button again?
[10:14] <jeronim> doh, right-click
[10:14] <jeronim> that should have been obvious :)
[10:15] <amichai> can anyone help me with getting a script to start with kde startup
[10:15] <chavo> amichai, just puy it, or a link in ~/.kde/Autostart
[10:15] <Anlar> amichai: put it on ~/.kde/Autostart/
[10:15] <Anlar> damn, I am slow.
[10:16] <amichai> i did
[10:16] <amichai> it doesnt work
[10:16] <amichai> a kate windows keeps popping up with the script contents
[10:17] <amichai> this guy on #kde is telling me to mkdir ~/.kde/env
[10:17] <whiskers> what is wrong with the man pages on ubuntu...i tried man 1 ldd and it references man 8 ldconfig and man 8 something else
[10:18] <whiskers> but when i type man 8 something ...nothing comes up
[10:18] <Anlar> amichai: you must chmod the file runnable, it must also have the magic line correct.
[10:18] <Anlar> otherwise kde does what it should do - opens the file and not runs it
[10:19] <Anlar> whiskers: works for me, I just installed kubuntu 2 hours ago.. so.. you have broken it. :)
[10:19] <amichai> Anlar: this is my script: #!/bin/sh
[10:20] <amichai> Anlar: line 2: xmodmap ~/.xmodmap
[10:20] <Anlar> amichai: and is it chmod +x for sure ?
[10:20] <whiskers> Anlar, ok ....type man 8 ldconfig and see if something comes up
[10:20] <Anlar> whiskers: yes, the correct man page shows up, of course
[10:20] <amichai> Anlar: let me see
[10:20] <whiskers> Anlar, wow...that is weird
[10:20] <Anlar> whiskers: yes, you have broken it. :) hehe
[10:21] <Anlar> whiskers: ls /usr/share/man/man8/ldconfig.8.gz
[10:22] <amichai> Anlar: let me see, brb
[10:22] <adrx> any luck with the kdelibs issue ?
[10:22] <jeronim> adrx, conflict with knetworkconf?
[10:23] <adrx> jeronim: yup
[10:23] <amichai> nice one it worked
[10:24] <jeronim> i did sudo dpkg -r --ignore-depends=kubuntu-desktop knetworkconf ; sudo apt-get -f upgrade
[10:24] <jeronim> that worked, but may have borked my desktop setup, i'm not sure why it's broken
[10:25] <adrx> the kdelibs 3.1 is from the security repo
[10:25] <jeronim> someone on the forums advised to use some force-overwrite option
[10:25] <adrx> .... force-overwrite.... sounds dangerous.....
[10:25] <adrx> ;)
[10:26] <AndreH> force-overwrite worked for me
[10:26] <AndreH> but had to reconfigure kde after that
[10:26] <uniq> force overwrite isn't dangerous in this case.
[10:26] <adrx> what is this patch anyway?
[10:26] <jeronim> AndreH, did you use the wizard to reconfigure, or just fix everything bit by bit?
[10:26] <uniq> dunno, but i suggested force overwrite on the forums :)
[10:26] <jeronim> i don't know what to do
[10:27] <AndreH> I used the wizard
[10:28] <adrx> anyhow, kubuntu rocks... i think it's time for me to give up windows for good :)
[10:29] <kakalto> adrx, kewl :D
[10:29] <adrx> what torrent app do u guys use ?
[10:29] <adrx> should I install from synaptic or DL from bittorrent.com (latest version)
[10:29] <adrx> don't want azureus
[10:29] <Anlar> they all do the job
[10:30] <whiskers> Anlar, well at least tkman still works on ubuntu...if i put ldd in tkman it is there
[10:30] <kakalto> adrx, linux has many possibilites :)
[10:30] <whiskers> Anlar, and if i click on the hyperlink to ldconfig which is man 8 ...it is also there in tkman
[10:31] <whiskers> Anlar, so at least that program still works...but it does not seem to have a print feature
[10:31] <adrx> kakalto: yup.. i'm going XFCE ;)
[10:31] <kakalto> :D
[10:31] <kakalto> wait till Xubuntu :)
[10:32] <adrx> kakalto: lol
[10:33] <kakalto> I'm waiting for the xubuntu-desktop package to be available in apt
[10:33] <kakalto> meanwhile, my kde looks more-or-less like xfce
[10:33] <kakalto> just a bit more clunky
[10:33] <adrx> why wait for package? xfce4 is available and works great
[10:33] <Foodcoman> What is Xubuntu going to provide?  different Desktop?
[10:34] <kakalto> yup
[10:34] <kakalto> adrx, apparently xfce4 was broken in apt
[10:34] <kakalto> I don't know if they fixed it in hoary
[10:34] <adrx> well it ain't here
[10:34] <kakalto> isn't it?
[10:34] <adrx> kakalto: xfce 4.2 running smooth on hoary
[10:34] <kakalto> from apt?
[10:34] <kakalto> or installers?
[10:35] <adrx> from apt
[10:35] <kakalto> kewl
[10:35] <adrx> changed repositories exactly as suggested in unbuntuguide
[10:35] <adrx> www.ubuntuguide.org
[10:35] <kakalto> you mean, with mirilat's?
[10:35] <kakalto> (however you spell it)
[10:35] <adrx> marilliat
[10:35] <adrx> yes
[10:35] <whiskers> Anlar, the tkman does seem to respect the X clipboard but not the gnome clipboard
[10:36] <whiskers> Anlar, so if you click both mouse buttons for the x clipboard...you can paste to gedit for printing
[10:36] <whiskers> Anlar, but it is a round about way of doing something
[10:36] <kakalto> thanks, adrx
[10:36] <kakalto> but I'll still look forward to xubuntu
[10:36] <kakalto> by the 3rd release of it, it should be more or less integrated :)
[10:37] <isam> xubuntu ??
[10:37] <kakalto> xfce ubuntu
[10:37] <adrx> are they really doing that?
[10:37] <kakalto> yup
[10:37] <kakalto> I was talking to jdub or jdodson or one of them last week
[10:37] <adrx> next version of XFCE will have desktop icons
[10:37] <kakalto> WOW! :D
[10:38] <adrx> that's really all that is missing I think
[10:38] <kakalto> I don't like desktop icons
[10:38] <kakalto> they're ugly
[10:38] <syntaxis> adrx: why would that be a hindrance - Ubuntu comes with a blank desktop anyway, with no icons at all
[10:38] <kakalto> that's why I put all my apps in a bar :)
[10:38] <adrx> yeah i'm not into desktop icons either
[10:38] <adrx> but i think they are needed for switchers
[10:38] <kakalto> syntaxis, but you can add icons in gnome
[10:39] <kakalto> of course.
[10:39] <Boogieman> hello
[10:39] <kakalto> hey
[10:39] <syntaxis> kakalto: why would that be a release blocker, as long as the *out of the box* behaviour is similar enough to the others?
[10:39] <koravel> hi
[10:40] <kakalto> syntaxis, because of switchers
[10:40] <kakalto> oh, hang on
[10:40] <kakalto> syntaxis, what are we talking about?
[10:41] <adrx> xubuntu = xfce = no desktop icons
[10:41] <whiskers> Anlar, ok well at least i printed all that stuff on ldd with tkman and gedit...so i can look at it later
[10:41] <Foodcoman> Xforce reminds me of OS/Warp
[10:41] <kakalto> but me likes KDE too
[10:42] <kakalto> gnome doesn't work on my comp at the moment, so I can't comment on it
[10:42] <adrx> *** all the pretty desktops *** :p
[10:42] <kakalto> I should follow that up...
[10:42] <whiskers> Anlar, but there does appear to be some problem with man 8 on ld.so page
[10:43] <Anlar> whiskers: works for me. :) 
[10:43] <whiskers> Anlar, it says.../usr/share/man/man8/ld.so.8.gz installed 16:41 23 March by root/root
[10:44] <whiskers> Anlar, No corresponding executable in PATH! This may be fine, but it is unusual for volume 8, System Administration.
[10:44] <whiskers> Anlar, do you see the same message
[10:44] <Anlar> you have removed some package.. or hurt the PATH variable.
[10:44] <Anlar> no, it all works beautifully.
[10:45] <whiskers> Anlar, well that is why gentoo has env-update or etc-update or something...to keep fixing the Path variable and others...ubuntu needs something similar...crimsun said he was going to look into it
[10:46] <Anlar> I have been using gentoo for the last year or so.. :)
[10:48] <kakalto> I might try gentoo again
[10:49] <Anlar> I got fed up with. it doesn't have enough developers to fix bugs and they got some really silly policies
[10:49] <smouche> I'm pissed now.  Once again, after a dist-upgrade, my kicker is broken.  This has happened too damn often.  
[10:49] <smouche> I'm getting sick of having to add stuff back to that thing!
[10:50] <smouche> no taskbar, no kmenu button, other default icons gone.
[10:52] <Boogieman> i somehow cant get my printer working
[10:53] <Boogieman> i have done everything right in the menu
[10:53] <Boogieman> but it wont print the test page
[10:55] <Boogieman> i use a hp-dj610c
[10:56] <kakalto> I'll be back
[10:56] <adrx> rebootin'
[11:00] <whiskers> Boogieman, well foomatic-configure is broken in ubuntu...maybe they will fix it later
[11:00] <Boogieman> so i cant user printers at the moment?
[11:00] <whiskers> Boogieman, if they had foomatic working like gentoo...it would be easy to use your HP
[11:01] <whiskers> Boogieman, crimsun says he is going to look into it
[11:01] <Boogieman> ok
[11:01] <syntaxis> Boogieman: is your printer not supported by CUPS?
[11:01] <amichai> is konqueror in kubuntu tweaked?
[11:02] <whiskers> syntaxis, many printers are not supported by CUPS ...that is why foomatic is so important
[11:02] <Boogieman> it is supported by cups i think. i used it in mandrake and there i was using cups
[11:02] <whiskers> syntaxis, but crimson says he will look into this too
[11:02] <yahalom> anybody?
[11:02] <syntaxis> Boogieman: then try CUPS :-)
[11:02] <syntaxis> whiskers: in this case it's totally irrelevant... he says his printer *is* supported by CUPS
[11:05] <Boogieman> the driver the configuration tool shows me are all wit foomatic
[11:06] <syntaxis> Boogieman: which configuration tool are you using?
[11:07] <Boogieman> err that a difficult question for me
[11:07] <Boogieman> the one that comes with the kubuntu standard installation
[11:07] <syntaxis> Boogieman: what's it called? How did you launch it?
[11:07] <Boogieman> the one from kde
[11:08] <whiskers> syntaxis, oh..well if cups supports his printer he is lucky and should be able to use it on ubuntu
[11:08] <syntaxis> Boogieman: CUPS has its own web interface. Try going to http://localhost:631/admin in your web browser.
[11:08] <whiskers> syntaxis, but crimsun is looking into a couple of things for the next version of ubuntu
[11:08] <syntaxis> whiskers: good stuff
[11:08] <whiskers> syntaxis, uh...the env-update to fix all the variables...and foomatic-configure
[11:09] <Boogieman> syntaxis what username and password does it want?
[11:09] <Boogieman> what shall i enter?
[11:10] <Boogieman> cups i mean
[11:10] <syntaxis> Boogieman: root's password, at a guess...
[11:10] <syntaxis> Boogieman: try your regular user's first, see if it works
[11:10] <Boogieman> regular user wont work
[11:11] <Boogieman> root account is not exsting. i was doing all with sudo
[11:12] <syntaxis> Boogieman: hmmm, http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~mako/ubuntu-traffic/u20040827_01.html - seems Ubuntu has deprecated the web interface in favour of gnome-cups-manager
[11:14] <syntaxis> Boogieman: wait... first off, try leaving off the "admin" part of the URL I sent you
[11:15] <Boogieman> that works, but when i want to add a printer it wants a username and password
[11:18] <syntaxis> Boogieman: Ubuntu's CUPS apparently runs as the user "cupsys" - perhaps you could try logging in as that?
[11:19] <Boogieman> syntaxis in the web interface?
[11:20] <syntaxis> Boogieman: yes... alternatively, cupsd runs in the "lp" group... perhaps if you make your regular user account a member of that group, you will be able to log in as him
[11:21] <Boogieman> would it not be easyer to make a normal root account?
[11:21] <syntaxis> Boogieman: lol - yes, it would, but I thought you were averse to doing that
[11:21] <syntaxis> Boogieman: if you're willing to do so, then it should be a piece of cake to just log in as root thereafter
[11:22] <Boogieman> then just say me how to make aroot account
[11:22] <Boogieman> was it sudo passwd?
[11:23] <syntaxis> Boogieman: "sudo passwd root" I believe
[11:25] <kakalto> that was my problem w/ xfce...
[11:26] <kakalto> the kde program fonts were always too big
[11:26] <Boogieman> i have done sudo passwd root and wrote a new password but in cups root as user and the new password in the password fild dont work
[11:28] <syntaxis> Boogieman: weird
[11:28] <syntaxis> Boogieman: well, one last-ditch thing to try... from http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WartyWarthogSecurityReports: "the user is in group lpadmin; then authentication is done without asking for a password by passing the cups certificate in /var/lib/cups/certs/"
[11:28] <syntaxis> Boogieman: try logging in with a user who's a member of that group
[11:29] <Boogieman> did i say that i'm just a user?
[11:29] <adrx> re
[11:30] <Boogieman> can you tell me what i have to enter to see the groups?
[11:30] <Boogieman> but what is with the password from the groups?
[11:31] <syntaxis> Boogieman: well, according to the portion I pasted, after an "adduser <username> lpadmin" as root, your regular user account should be able to log in without being asked for a password at all
[11:31] <adrx> trying to overwrite `/usr/share/icons/default.kde', which is also in package knetworkconf
[11:31] <adrx> grrrrrrr :::::_p
[11:31] <kakalto> adrx, you use xfce?
[11:31] <adrx> kakalto: yeah but KDE apps also
[11:32] <kakalto> does your kde apps display fonts too large?
[11:32] <adrx> amarok, konqueror
[11:32] <kakalto> yeah
[11:32] <kakalto> same
[11:32] <kakalto> but the fonts are huge
[11:32] <adrx> kakalto: in KDE apps only?
[11:32] <Boogieman> it says i'm already a member of lpadmin
[11:33] <kakalto> adrx, nah, all apps
[11:33] <kakalto> where's xfce font settings?
[11:34] <danonlinedotnet> Did installing the kde security updates screw up anybody else's kde settings?
[11:34] <syntaxis> Boogieman: well, then it sound like they must have deliberately disabled the web interface somehow. They *were* talking about it being a big security hole and deprecated in favour of gnome-cups-manager, so...
[11:34] <syntaxis> s/sound/sounds
[11:34] <adrx> danonlinedotnet: I can't install the f*** update :(
[11:34] <syntaxis> Boogieman: please file a bug. I can't believe you can be the only one to've been bitten by this.
[11:35] <danonlinedotnet> I couldn't install one of the three updates.
[11:35] <whiskers> hey how come gman doesn't work....tkman works somewhat but some man pages are missing
[11:35] <whiskers> but on gman...if you click on ldd...you get nothing
[11:35] <adrx> kakalto: "xfce-setting-show ui"
[11:36] <danonlinedotnet> After two of them, a bunch of my settings whent baack to defaults, I don't have a K menu, a system tray (or whatever it's called in KDE), and a bunch of other stuff broke.
[11:36] <kakalto> from teh terminal?
[11:36] <adrx> kakalto: yeah or the "user interface" button in xfce settings
[11:36] <kakalto> but..
[11:36] <Boogieman> another thing is how can i get other apt-get sources then the normal ones?
[11:36] <kakalto> there's only 1 font defined ther
[11:37] <kakalto> and it doesn't fix it
[11:37] <syntaxis> Boogieman: just add them to your /etc/apt/sources.list and then do an "apt-get update"
[11:37] <danonlinedotnet> Boogieman: you can also add them directly from within Synaptic, if you want.
[11:38] <whiskers> uh..oh...bunch of new kdelibs coming in today...this is going to take some time
[11:38] <adrx> kakalto: => PM
[11:39] <whiskers> i sure hope they dont break my qt stuff
[11:39] <danonlinedotnet> So the updates didn't screw stuff up for anyone else?
[11:39] <danonlinedotnet> Whiskers: are you talking about the security updates to kdelibs?
[11:39] <Boogieman> http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories < something like this?
[11:39] <whiskers> danonlinedotnet, i don't know..i got a message there were several new kdelibs to come in today
[11:40] <whiskers> danonlinedotnet, i just hope they don't break my qt stuff
[11:40] <danonlinedotnet> whiskers: By come in, do you mean become available through apt?
[11:41] <whiskers> danonlinedotnet, no...on gnome there is this thing in a type of systray
[11:41] <whiskers> danonlinedotnet, it comes up and tells you new stuff is ready
[11:41] <danonlinedotnet> Ah yes, that's what I'm talking about.
[11:41] <danonlinedotnet> Those updates screwed up my kde settings.
[11:42] <danonlinedotnet> Though I think qt apps were still fine.
[11:42] <whiskers> danonlinedotnet, well the only kde thing i want to see now is kexi...because i can't get glom to work
[11:42] <danonlinedotnet> Glom?
[11:42] <whiskers> danonlinedotnet, but the last time i looked at kexi on gentoo..it was not ready yet
[11:43] <danonlinedotnet> Sorry, I don't know what kexi or glom are. To google!
[11:43] <confrey> hi everybody
[11:43] <danonlinedotnet> Ah, DB stuff.
[11:43] <danonlinedotnet> Hi, confrey.
 Boogieman: you can also add them directly from within Synaptic, if you want. < and how i do it with kynaptic?
[11:45] <danonlinedotnet> Sorry, I haven't used kynaptic.
[11:45] <whiskers> danonlinedotnet, kexi and glom are free relational database design,query, and report systems
[11:45] <confrey> I have installed kubuntu... this the second time.. the first time, I was capable to set menu shading in kde, now I can't find that option yet
[11:46] <whiskers> danonlinedotnet, but kexi is not ready yet...i think....and glom doesn't work
[11:46] <danonlinedotnet> whiskers: Yes I gathered that from google. They look interesting.
[11:46] <whiskers> danonlinedotnet, yes....very important stuff....but not ready
[11:47] <confrey> is there in kde a tool to conffigurung network properties?
[11:49] <confrey> and how can I automatically delete spam messages in kmail? I see many msgs marked as spam by bogofilter, but I can't delete them automatically
[12:01] <Anlar> just run the wizard..