[04:45] <meng> helo?
[04:46] <meng> is there a way to correctly install lang packs in ubuntu?
[04:56] <meng> is there a Manglish or Singlish team there?
[05:29] <JanC> meng : language packs should install correctly with apt-get of synaptic ?
[05:29] <meng> not in my case
[05:29] <meng> just my time and dates changed
[05:30] <JanC> no translations ?
[05:30] <JanC> did you look if there are translations available with synaptic?
[05:30] <meng> just check rosetta's stats for MS_MY and u'll see what i mean
[05:31] <meng> it's there, but me thinks it's imcomplete
[05:31] <JanC> there are no translations for your language ?
[05:31] <meng> seen most work on rhytmbox, but not for gnome itself
[05:31] <JanC> MS is maleysian ?
[05:32] <meng> Malaysian, correction
[05:32] <JanC> English isn't my mother tongue, so sorry for the errror  :)
[05:33] <meng> what's your's then?
[05:33] <JanC> In Dutch it's " Maleisi "   :)
[05:33] <meng> ah
[05:33] <JanC> you can help translating on Rosetta if you wish
[05:33] <meng> supposedly my actual mother tounge is mandrin
[05:33] <JanC> one of the chinese languages
[05:34] <meng> but being malaysian made Malay an important one here
[05:34] <meng> plus, i didn't learn mandrin at all, a banana so to speak
[05:35] <meng> i managed to do some for update manager though
[05:36] <meng> but the complexity of the language to IT is a bother
[05:36] <meng> mostly it turns out funny or just plain gibberish
[05:36] <JanC> yeah, translations aren't easy
[05:36] <JanC> not easy to do good
[05:36] <meng> like Windows XP starter edition
[05:37] <JanC> I have no XP  :)
[05:37] <meng> i still have it and i tried the BM pack before
[05:37] <JanC> BM ?
[05:37] <meng> made my close female friend run away in fear
[05:38] <meng> Bahasa Melayu
[05:38] <JanC> another language or just the local way to name the language ?
[05:39] <meng> Tetap aturcara and lalai under add remove programs is not understandable by even locals
[05:39] <meng> BM is the local way of naming the language
[05:40] <meng> used to be Bahasa Malaysia during the early years of the combintaion of sarawak and sabah
[05:41] <meng> but eventually the governement reverted back to the original term
[05:41] <meng> in English it should be called Malay
[05:42] <meng> but i feel bad coz the government dept only helped microsoft, not the OSS community too
[05:43] <meng> damm the DBP
[05:44] <JanC> here in Belgium it's a bit mixed, some help OSS, others help MS & the like
[05:44] <meng> JanC: the OSS culture is not even really started
[05:44] <meng> why bother using linux when WinXP sells for only USD1.25 a pop
[05:45] <JanC> I guess that's not legal copies ?  :-)
[05:45] <meng> yup
[05:46] <meng> availible at the night markets, shops and even peddlers
[05:46] <JanC> I mean, almost 50% of the people in Belgium have broadband internet I think, so WinXP is in practice free here...   :-(
[05:47] <JanC> well, the price of a CD-R
[05:48] <meng> here's it's easier to buy one in the shop than downloading it
[05:48] <meng> most are still stuck with modems
[05:49] <meng> the 56K variety
[05:50] <JanC> my parents still have a modem, I always get very nervous from waiting, waiting, waiting, waiting, ...  :)
[05:50] <JanC> when you're used to broadband the difference is huge
[05:50] <meng> i know how it feels like
[05:51] <meng> using NS3 on Win95
[05:51] <JanC> if you want I still have a copy of NS 0.94beta or something like that  :)
[05:51] <meng> with the few thousands using Telekom Malaysia's modem connection
[05:52] <meng> even dillo is better than that
[05:53] <JanC> or links  :-)
[05:53] <meng> but the absoulte monopoly of the telco system here is really bad
[05:53] <meng> it can take a year to approve a DSL connection
[05:54] <meng> and too add iam studying at a uni owned by this telco
[05:55] <JanC> here in belgium they ended the national telco monopoly, but they are still very powerful
[05:56] <JanC> but I have cable internet myself
[05:56] <meng> i can't even cable even if i wanted to
[05:56] <meng> there's no cable infrastructure here
[05:57] <meng> the "cable" TV here is some censored satelitte dish piece of crap
[05:57] <JanC> well, in Belgium something like 97% of all households have cable
[05:58] <meng> porno 24/7 ah?
[05:58] <JanC> no
[05:58] <JanC> some channels at night
[05:58] <meng> here's it's censored, so no playboy tv here
[05:59] <JanC> for porno 24/7 you need a satellite dish
[05:59] <meng> not like i watch those
[05:59] <JanC> or now my cable ISP has movies for download  ;)
[05:59] <meng> here's it's an offense to install other kinds of dishes accept for the legal astro ones
[06:00] <meng> a jailable ofense
[06:00] <JanC> aw, bad  :-(
[06:00] <meng> so the astro dish is the only cable here
[06:00] <meng> which goes riot in the rain
[06:01] <JanC> I guess a real cable isn't possible in a large country like malaysia anyway ?
[06:01] <meng> too much cost to setup
[06:02] <meng> easier to lauch Measat than to lay cable
[06:02] <meng> especially in sabah and sarawak
[06:02] <meng> *launch
[06:02] <JanC> Belgium has 338 inhabitants / km
[06:03] <meng> the denser places here is in the main cities
[06:03] <meng> esp the capital city
[06:03] <JanC> they could have cable in the cities then
[06:04] <meng> it's already troublesome to drive around with the amount of roadworks around
[06:04] <JanC> but they would need the dishes for other places anyway
[06:04] <meng> and cable laying would made it worse
[06:05] <meng> since the phone cables have is everywhere, so just use it
[06:06] <meng> it's the only uncensored way to get any info or smut
[06:07] <meng> not like i watch smut to start with
[06:07] <JanC> we didn't think that  ;-)
[06:08] <meng> http://regnyouth.blogspot.com/
[06:11] <meng> even Eminem sold here is heavily censored
[06:12] <meng> * you, you * **
[06:12] <meng> something like that
[06:13] <JanC> lol
[06:13] <JanC> they did that in the US too when I was in NYC 10-15 years ago
[06:14] <meng> even talking about malay special rights can get me into hot soup
[06:15] <meng> i prefer the openess of most western nations
[06:16] <JanC> I can imagine that
[06:17] <meng> are you a male?
[06:17] <JanC> yes
[06:17] <JanC> why ?  :-)
[06:17] <meng> imagine a world where alomost all the girls look alike in headscarves
[06:18] <meng> or tudung as it's called here
[06:18] <meng> see my point?
[06:19] <JanC> well, I don't care what women & girls wear, but I guess not all of them wear those voluntary...
[06:20] <meng> thank goodness it non complusary item unlike Iran
[06:21] <JanC> headscarves are a hot topic in western europe...
[06:21] <meng> they start looking alike in those things
[06:22] <meng> i even called the wrong girl by mistake once
[06:22] <JanC> lol
[06:22] <JanC> but of course it's not really funny...
[06:23] <meng> but it's ironic when they start wearing thight jeans and figure hugging clothes with a hijab on
[06:23] <meng> defeats the idea in the first place
[06:23] <JanC> well, you can recognise them from other body parts then  ;-)
[06:24] <meng> not in a loose baju kurung i can't
[06:24] <meng> even worse back in school
[06:24] <JanC> I mean with the tight jeans etc.
[06:27] <meng> then it's sexual harassment
[06:27] <meng> and gender profiling
[06:28] <JanC> oops  8-S
[06:28] <JanC> anyway...
[06:34] <JanC> back  :)
[06:39] <meng> just went to fetch lunch
[06:39] <meng> it's GMT+8
[06:40] <JanC> no, It's GMT+2  :)
[06:40] <meng> that's belgium
[06:40] <JanC> well, normally we're GMT+1
[06:41] <JanC> but now is 'daylight savings time'
[06:41] <JanC> and geographically, we should be in GMT
[06:41] <meng> well now it's Prophet's Muhammad's Birthday
[06:41] <meng> so it's a national holiday now
[06:42] <JanC> hope you get a free day then
[06:42] <meng> it is
[06:42] <meng> the large amount of races here = lots of holiday
[06:43] <meng> hari raya or eid, chinese new year, deepavali, christmas plus quite a number more
[06:44] <meng> more of it during nov and december
[06:46] <meng> don't really know about the amount of hols in belgium though
[06:52] <meng> is it alot?
[06:54] <JanC> there are 10 official national holidays
[06:54] <meng> just 10, wow
[06:56] <meng> here, even the sultans and the Yang Di Pertuan Agong b'day too are holidays
[06:56] <meng> plus the city days ans things like that
[06:56] <JanC> those 10 are the days everybody gets a free day by law
[06:57] <meng> remembered right after the 98' commonwealth games in KL, there's also a holiday too
[06:57] <JanC> everybody gets 20 more workdays paid to be taken freely...
[06:57] <JanC> 20 or more
[06:57] <meng> and all that i mentions is by law
[06:57] <JanC> and there holidays you don't get free on
[06:58] <meng> oh, and the Yang Di Pertuan Agong is the head of state
[06:58] <meng> though all the political power is owned by the PM
[06:59] <meng> since hari raya celebs last for a whole month, 
[06:59] <JanC> yeah, we still have a king, political power is owned by the elected government  :)
[07:00] <meng> but we only have the durian to compare against belgian choclates
[07:01] <meng> should ship one for you then
[07:02] <JanC> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Durian
[07:03] <meng> i know what it is, thank you
[07:03] <meng> durian condoms anyone?
[07:04] <meng> ur terrified of it?
[07:04] <JanC> """A durian falling on a person's head can cause serious injuries or death"""
[07:05] <meng> well, the thing is thorny and weighs about a kilo or 2
[07:05] <meng> and it only falls at night
[07:05] <meng> which idiot walks in a durian plantation at night anyway
[07:06] <JanC> if you know you won't of course
[07:07] <meng> have you even seen one, or even tried it?
[07:07] <JanC> never eaten it
[07:07] <meng> it's enlightening
[07:08] <JanC> I think my sister & her friend ate them in India ?
[07:09] <meng> it's only availble in malaysia, thailandand indonesia
[07:09] <meng> *thailand
[07:10] <JanC> according to wikipedia they even grow them in australia  :)
[07:10] <JanC> but it's probably not native there
[07:10] <meng> not even native
[07:10] <meng> won't be as good too
[07:11] <JanC> probably not
[07:11] <meng> kinda funny as aussie customs forbid bringing durians into australia
[07:11] <meng> imagine the smell of the incinerator....
[07:12] <meng> but the oddest serving is with watery rice 
[07:12] <meng> nasi durian in other speak
[07:13] <JanC> well, I'm going to sleep a bit now (7.13 am and didn't sleep yet)
[07:13] <meng> but Hawaiian durian, oh please for the love of god
[07:13] <meng> nights
[10:47] <Kinnison> Morning all
[03:41] <mkde> carlos, here?
[03:41] <carlos> yes
[03:42] <mkde> carlos, hiya. Did you see my couple of questions yesterday?
[03:42] <carlos> No, sorry, can you repeat them?
[03:42] <mkde> carlos, i can email them to you, that way you can deal with them when you are free
[03:42] <carlos> ok, thanks
[03:43] <mkde> thanks yourself :)
[04:17] <mkde> carlos, thanks
[04:19] <carlos> np
[04:24] <mkde> carlos, what is the difference between those poxml methods? perhaps you can contribute to our methods to help us learn about l18n
[04:24] <carlos> are just different scripts
[04:24] <mkde> no advantages/disadvantages
[04:24] <mkde> ?
[04:24] <carlos> one depends on QT and the other one just on Python
[04:25] <mkde> hmmm
[04:25] <carlos> well, I cannot give you such information
[04:25] <mkde> yeah froud is quite kde friendly
[04:25] <carlos> as I don't know the details
[04:25] <mkde> ok
[04:25] <carlos> mkde: but adding a dependency on QT just to get .pot files... is ... 
[04:25] <carlos> I suppose you understand my point...
[04:25] <mkde> yes
[04:26] <mkde> also as I understand it, ubuntu's general policy is python friendly
[04:26] <carlos> yes, but in this case, you should use the best tool that fits your needs
[04:26] <mkde> sure
[04:27] <carlos> I mean, I don't try you move to the python one. If the KDE one is better, is ok
[04:27] <carlos> but if both are good, I think you should choose the one with less dependencies
[04:27] <mkde> seems they had some problems getting the gnome one working
[04:30] <carlos> ok
[04:38] <mkde> catch ya later :)