| schweeb | \sh: ew kmail. my hate for that is for purely different reasons than evo (mostly I refuse to install Qt) | 12:00 |
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| \sh | schweeb: well..then only one solution left: thunderbird ;) | 12:02 |
| === \sh has other problems then to decide which mail client to use ,) | ||
| bob2 | eddyp: malone is both | 12:04 |
| eddyp | umkay | 12:04 |
| schweeb | \sh: yes, that is what I use :) | 12:04 |
| \sh | bob2: malone is far away from being a bugzilla replacement, but it's a good beginning for non-bugzilla noobs ;) | 12:06 |
| bob2 | meh | 12:06 |
| eddyp | bob2: will malone be open source? | 12:07 |
| eddyp | i am thinking that if it is better than bugzilla, then it would be a nice tool | 12:07 |
| schweeb | I believe it'll be closed source | 12:08 |
| schweeb | like Rosetta is | 12:08 |
| eddyp | I was wondering about this... why is that? | 12:08 |
| schweeb | cause it's one of the things that Canonical has decided to make its profit off of, most likely | 12:09 |
| eddyp | and they use ubuntu as a test bench at the same time | 12:10 |
| eddyp | nice idea | 12:10 |
| eddyp | and smart | 12:10 |
| seb128 | tseng, evo has really some issue ? | 12:10 |
| tseng | seb128: yep | 12:11 |
| seb128 | and detail ? | 12:11 |
| seb128 | s/and/any/ | 12:11 |
| tseng | The following packages have unmet dependencies: | 12:11 |
| tseng | evolution: Depends: libcamel1.2-3 (>= 1.2.2) but it is not going to be installed | 12:11 |
| tseng | Depends: evolution-data-server (>= 1.2.1) but it is not going to be installed | 12:11 |
| tseng | eddyp: Broken packages | 12:11 |
| seb128 | doesn't help a lot | 12:11 |
| seb128 | do you why/how it's broken, how to fix it ? | 12:11 |
| tseng | wel, everything else is built with libcamel1.2-0 | 12:11 |
| seb128 | "everything else" ? | 12:12 |
| eddyp | tseng: errr, what? | 12:12 |
| tseng | c-l-a, gnomemeeting, libebook | 12:12 |
| eddyp | autocompetion does not work in this manner | 12:12 |
| eddyp | :) | 12:12 |
| tseng | libedata-book1.2-2, libdataserverui1.2, nautilus-sendto | 12:13 |
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| seb128 | hum | 12:13 |
| tseng | i *think* libcamel1.2-3 got synced from sid | 12:13 |
| seb128 | feel free to fix it i you want, or I'll fix that within 1 or 2 weeks | 12:13 |
| tseng | and broke it all | 12:13 |
| tseng | ill bring up mutt and see if its in b-changes | 12:14 |
| Keybuk | yeah | 12:14 |
| Keybuk | evolution-data-server1.2 got synced from sid | 12:14 |
| Keybuk | and overwrote our evolution-data-server (note no 1.2) packages | 12:14 |
| seb128 | fuck | 12:14 |
| Keybuk | needs another e-d-s upload to put it back | 12:14 |
| seb128 | I pinged elmo saturday about this but got no reply, I get that's not the right week to ping somebody :p | 12:15 |
| seb128 | -1 was ftbfsing on saturday | 12:15 |
| Keybuk | indeed | 12:15 |
| tseng | im not sure if i am in keyring, but im almost certain I cant upload to main | 12:15 |
| tseng | any takers? | 12:15 |
| Keybuk | next week is non-hacking as well | 12:15 |
| seb128 | right, but if I've the bandwith I can do one upload | 12:16 |
| Keybuk | I _think_ that uploading an evolution-data-server 1.2.2-2ubuntu1 package would suffive | 12:17 |
| Keybuk | even if it's just 1ubuntu1 with the version number changed | 12:17 |
| seb128 | I think so | 12:17 |
| seb128 | I put the version to 1ubuntu1 instead of 0ubuntu1 for this reason on the previous one | 12:17 |
| Keybuk | it's not hugely urgent though | 12:17 |
| Keybuk | it's an impossible upgrade, so the worst people can do without trying hard is have the slightly older evo packages | 12:17 |
| tseng | yeah i was just joking about it, i assumed you were aware of the situation | 12:18 |
| seb128 | nop, some people put a useless bugzilla bug | 12:18 |
| seb128 | ie: they managed to put 10 comments without any one useful to understand the bug | 12:18 |
| tseng | well, you understand it now :) | 12:19 |
| seb128 | and we have a 3ko/s download or something like that here | 12:19 |
| tseng | ugh. | 12:19 |
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| |QuaD- | tseng: how is mono 1.1.x/beagle in breezy coming along? | 12:24 |
| tseng | fine. | 12:25 |
| |QuaD- | do you have an eta? | 12:25 |
| tseng | after UDU | 12:25 |
| |QuaD- | is it finnished and you are just waiting? | 12:26 |
| tseng | yes | 12:26 |
| tseng | mostly. | 12:26 |
| |QuaD- | heh, ok :( | 12:26 |
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| ogra | morning pitti | 12:28 |
| tseng | hi ogra | 12:28 |
| pitti | Hey everybody | 12:28 |
| tseng | hi pitti. | 12:28 |
| ogra | hey tseng | 12:28 |
| seb128 | morning pitti | 12:28 |
| zyga | hello pitti | 12:28 |
| amu- | moin pitti | 12:28 |
| pitti | Hey seb128, long time no see | 12:28 |
| seb128 | right :) | 12:29 |
| ogra | pitti, you dont look under your bed to often, eh | 12:29 |
| ogra | ? | 12:29 |
| \sh | ogra: have a nice day down under :) don't eat to many kangas ;) | 12:30 |
| ogra | heh... havent even seen one yet :) | 12:30 |
| tseng | wo ist herr holbach? :P | 12:31 |
| \sh | ogra: well, they're frightend because of you :) a german with long hair ... no ways, lets get a move on ;) | 12:31 |
| ogra | tseng, they are buying washing powder.... | 12:31 |
| tseng | get the linux brand | 12:32 |
| \sh | they have "plus" there? | 12:32 |
| ogra | \sh, no, i think they fear me because i dont wear that nifty crocodile dundee hat | 12:32 |
| \sh | hehehe | 12:32 |
| \sh | ogra: i have one..why didn't you ask for it ;) | 12:32 |
| ogra | \sh, they are not to expensive, so i can have my own one :) | 12:33 |
| \sh | *grmpf* again harddrive broken at netapp-orastore | 12:35 |
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| \sh | time to sleep... | 12:35 |
| \sh | g'night gentlemen :) | 12:36 |
| === amu- hat hunger | ||
| === ogra macht nochn espresso.... | ||
| zyga | argh | 12:38 |
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| pitti | zyga: what should it use instead? | 12:43 |
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| jcole | Kamion: i've gotten further... it appears that the adduser .deb is needed... is there a way to get the list of debs i need to copy back :) | 12:51 |
| Kamion | jcole: not really. look in /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts/hoary for a start, but you'll need more than that. | 12:54 |
| Kamion | jcole: http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/germinate-output/hoary/base might be a useful start to | 12:54 |
| Kamion | er, too | 12:54 |
| jcole | thanks again Kamion, i'll do some more homework before bugging you again... when i figure this out, i'll be sure to post up a how to | 12:57 |
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| crb | Hi. | 12:59 |
| crb | Can anyone shed any light on why the kernel package in hoary is versioned 2.6.10-7 and the modules, 2.6.10-5 ? | 12:59 |
| Kamion | crb: the latter is the module ABI | 01:00 |
| Kamion | crb: every time binary module compatibility breaks, the number that's currently 5 is incremented | 01:00 |
| Kamion | crb: the former is simply the package version, incremented on every upload | 01:00 |
| Kamion | although actually I don't know where you got 2.6.10-7 ... | 01:01 |
| crb | I'm sure it was -7 somewhere, let me look.. | 01:01 |
| crb | linux-image-386_2.6.10-7_i386.deb | 01:02 |
| Kamion | oh, that's a metapackage; again, that's just the package version | 01:02 |
| Kamion | linux-image-386 is just there to depend on the current linux-image-*-386 (currently linux-image-2.6.10-5-386) | 01:02 |
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| crb | I'm remastering a hoary CD with preseed and some universe packages I want on it (I've removed all the packages that ubuntu-desktop depends on) | 01:03 |
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| Lathiat | ~> | 01:03 |
| crb | my pool still contains all the right files, but for some reason I can't install linux-image-386 any more so the installer is falling over. | 01:03 |
| Kamion | make sure you have all linux-* packages from the original CD | 01:03 |
| crb | And it's obviously not the versioning. :) | 01:03 |
| dholbach | hai | 01:03 |
| Kamion | linux-386 is the one used by default ... | 01:04 |
| crb | I was pretty sure I did.. there's nothing special in the Packages file that dpkg-scanpackages won't generate for me? | 01:04 |
| Kamion | (or should be, anyway; base-installer is finicky) | 01:04 |
| Kamion | crb: (a) you probably want to use apt-ftparchive nowadays instead, (b) Task: headers | 01:04 |
| crb | I'm skipping tasksel so I'm less worried about those | 01:05 |
| Kamion | we don't use tasksel either | 01:05 |
| crb | the installer is trying to install linux-386 and failing because l-i-386 is not installable and l-r-m-386 is not going to be installed. Yet all of the packages are in the pool and in the right place... | 01:06 |
| Kamion | they're used by archive-copier and base-config. however if you aren't installing the desktop and don't care about preserving the "CD used only in first stage of install" thing then Task: headers probably won't be necessary | 01:06 |
| Kamion | did you keep all the dependencies of those? they're not all linux-* | 01:07 |
| Kamion | particularly in the case of l-r-m | 01:07 |
| crb | I'm reasonably sure I did, but I might have missed something | 01:07 |
| Kamion | failing that, try 'chroot /target apt-get install linux-386' and start drilling down by hand | 01:07 |
| Kamion | as in, try each package in turn until you get a useful error | 01:08 |
| crb | there are a couple of packages that caused me grief; I removed everything that ubuntu-desktop dragged in, and it ended up removing libsasl2 and lsb-* for some reason | 01:08 |
| crb | I'm doing that already; the errors aren't that useful :( | 01:08 |
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| crb | just 'couldn't find packages' for those packages | 01:09 |
| crb | but they're there, on the CD, same place... | 01:09 |
| Kamion | apt-get doesn't look through the pool itself; it uses the Packages indices | 01:09 |
| Kamion | it won't matter a dime whether they're actually on the CD if they're missing from Packages | 01:09 |
| crb | I checked the Packages indices for the files, and they were actually there | 01:09 |
| Kamion | ok | 01:10 |
| === crb looks harder | ||
| Kamion | might also be worth checking whether /target/etc/apt/sources.list got set up correctly | 01:11 |
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| crb | you at linux.conf.au? | 01:11 |
| crb | aha - Packages.gz MD5SUM mismatch | 01:12 |
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| dholbach | do we have a page stating when people will be in sydney? | 01:18 |
| dholbach | hey lamont | 01:19 |
| dholbach | lamont: when will you be here? sunday? | 01:19 |
| lamont | dholbach: I arrive at 6AM saturday, for a day of running around sydney before I'm supposed to be tehre | 01:20 |
| dholbach | lamont: cool | 01:20 |
| dholbach | lamont: we can show you the nice spots ;-) | 01:20 |
| lamont | heh | 01:20 |
| lamont | coolness | 01:20 |
| dholbach | hrm... need to get back to the power supply | 01:20 |
| dholbach | sydney really rocks# | 01:21 |
| crb | I hope you're all looking forward to coming to New Zealand for lca next year :) | 01:22 |
| infinity | lca in .nz?... But.. But.. That would be lcnz... | 01:23 |
| infinity | <head explodes> | 01:23 |
| luis_ | I'm totally looking forward to lcanz | 01:24 |
| HrdwrBoB | lcapr | 01:24 |
| HrdwrBoB | now in papua new guinea | 01:24 |
| milli | lamont: Bandwidth available for a few hours | 01:28 |
| lamont | milli: hrm... doing ok here I think,.. | 01:31 |
| lamont | or was that a dinner invite? | 01:31 |
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| alex_g | do you plan an update from evolution 2.2.1.1 to 2.2.2? | 01:35 |
| lamont | alex_g: bug #9693 at bugilla.ubuntu.com | 01:37 |
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| lamont | elmo: quik-installer is unknown, and not actually in main. | 01:39 |
| jdub | ahr | 01:47 |
| dholbach | jdub | 01:47 |
| tseng | yar | 01:47 |
| tseng | its a dub! | 01:47 |
| alex_g | ok | 01:47 |
| dholbach | jdub: when we're going to have a beer? | 01:48 |
| dholbach | jdub: or aren't you in sydney atm? probably not... | 01:49 |
| dholbach | nevermind me | 01:49 |
| jdub | dholbach: heh, no, in canberra atm | 01:51 |
| jdub | dholbach: i will see you on sunday or monday :) | 01:51 |
| dholbach | jdub: cool, i'm sure we all need some "warming up" for UDU, in the one way or the other :-) | 01:53 |
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| crb | hmmm | 02:13 |
| crb | remove the MD5SUMS from the Release file in dists/ and the installer complains about not finding the other Packages[,.gz] files | 02:14 |
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| bluefoxicy | zyga: yo | 02:19 |
| bluefoxicy | evidently my allocator almost but not quite works ;) | 02:19 |
| bluefoxicy | (it's generating negative-sized allocations) | 02:19 |
| blahrus | is ac3 still broken in mplayer? | 02:23 |
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| zul | hey dholbach | 02:27 |
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| dholbach | hey zul | 02:32 |
| zul | how is it going? | 02:32 |
| dholbach | zul: very nice... brainstorming with seb128 | 02:33 |
| zul | cool | 02:33 |
| dholbach | zul: you'll be here in sydney? | 02:34 |
| zul | nope...unforutnately maybe the next one | 02:34 |
| dholbach | oh, i'm sorry :-/ | 02:35 |
| zul | besides my wife would whine forever if she couldnt go :) | 02:35 |
| dholbach | ah... i understand | 02:35 |
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| infinity | pitti : still enjoying Sydney, or are you sick of it already? | 02:38 |
| pitti | infinity: it's a bit rainy today, time for preparing some BoFs and writing some postcards :-) But it's fine, there are still things I want to do here | 02:39 |
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| Kamion | crb: LCA> yeah | 02:51 |
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| Kamion | crb: you have to update the md5sums/sizes in Release, and then figure out what to do about Release.gpg | 02:51 |
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| Kamion | replacing the ubuntu-keyring package with one that includes your key is an option :) we're going to talk at UDU about how to make this less gratuitously painful | 02:52 |
| lamont | Kamion: and "what to do about Release.gpg" is to generate a new key, and add that to the ubuntu-keyring package, which you also update, and iterate... | 02:52 |
| lamont | Kamion: actually... if memory serves, there are other ways to abuse it much nicer... | 02:54 |
| Kamion | lamont: what to do about it> making apt just get a grip and not care about authentication on CDs is my preferred option :) | 02:55 |
| lamont | ISTR that my custom dvd this time around, I left the root tree alone, added an /extras/ directory, and just dropped a complete archive under that (which had an updateded ubuntu-keying, etc) | 02:55 |
| Kamion | as in, not care if it's missing altogether | 02:55 |
| lamont | since the installer looks for all the Packages files on the CD, you get the new stuff, and I didn't have to pollute the actual release tree | 02:55 |
| lamont | of course, cd-checker probably doesn't like that too much | 02:56 |
| Kamion | shouldn't think it'd care | 02:57 |
| lamont | even better... /me didn't check | 02:59 |
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| lamont | 66841151728a06f92d0b8dd2ed317a29 egenix-mx-base_2.0.6.orig.tar.gz | 03:00 |
| lamont | 6989793b7cb6b577be9ebfdd554884ac egenix-mx-base_2.0.6.orig.tar.gz | 03:00 |
| lamont | hrm.... what's wrong with that picture | 03:00 |
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| seb128 | elmo, around ? | 03:02 |
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| dholbach | hey seb128 | 03:11 |
| seb128 | dholbach, nice to see you again | 03:12 |
| lamont | mdz: around? | 03:17 |
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| jp | where have I to go to report a broken package? | 03:17 |
| lamont | jp: universe or main? | 03:18 |
| jp | universe | 03:18 |
| jp | libgnome-cil (gtk-sharp) | 03:19 |
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| jp | ok =) | 03:19 |
| jp | I was trying to get libgnome-cil but: libgnome-cil: depends of: libgda2-1 (>= 1.1.99) but it's not installable | 03:19 |
| jp | jeje =) | 03:19 |
| lamont | although the question is actually off-topic for here (it's on-topic for #ubuntu) | 03:20 |
| jp | yep I know | 03:20 |
| === lamont wonders why jp asked it here then... | ||
| dholbach | jp: you might ask tseng for mono stuff | 03:20 |
| jp | but I knot too it's a error, I know the package is broken 'cause I've installed it before without problems | 03:20 |
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| jp | dholbach ok thanks = | 03:20 |
| jp | dholbach ok thanks =P | 03:20 |
| lamont | dholbach: I was thinking more generically - where does one report universe bugs these days?/ | 03:20 |
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| lamont | aha! mdz_ is here | 03:21 |
| thom | lamont: malone | 03:21 |
| jp | mdz_ libgnome-cil is broken =( | 03:21 |
| lamont | jp: my aha was totally unrelated to your item | 03:21 |
| jp | oh sorry | 03:22 |
| jp | :( | 03:22 |
| jp | tseng I was trying to get libgnome-cil but: libgnome-cil: depends of: libgda2-1 (>= 1.1.99) but it's not installable | 03:22 |
| jp | xD | 03:22 |
| lamont | mdz_: you really here, or just being bouncy-bouncy? | 03:22 |
| seb128 | people, just wait for breezy breakage stuff | 03:22 |
| seb128 | that's going to be fixed but not now | 03:23 |
| jp | seb128 ok | 03:23 |
| thom | seb128: *g*, how's sydney? | 03:23 |
| jp | but I tried the hoary libgnome-cil too | 03:23 |
| jp | and it gets the same error.. | 03:23 |
| seb128 | crappy weather, out of this that rocks :) | 03:23 |
| lamont | seb128: fwiw, I'm hoping to finish filing bugs on all the breezy ftbfs stuff todate | 03:24 |
| lamont | sometime before I sleep | 03:24 |
| seb128 | I mean when you don't get hurt by the sun it rains :p | 03:24 |
| jp | ! | 03:24 |
| tseng | jp: after udu | 03:24 |
| thom | seb128: *giggle* | 03:24 |
| tseng | jp: breezy is broken for now, we're all dealing | 03:24 |
| dholbach | and their local beer (VB) is soooo good | 03:25 |
| seb128 | lamont, no hurry, I'll not fix any package this week | 03:25 |
| jp | so tseng thanks :( | 03:25 |
| lamont | seb128: yeah - but I want a reasonably clean slate before I get on the plane tomorrow | 03:25 |
| seb128 | right | 03:25 |
| seb128 | I've only 600 bugs on my list | 03:25 |
| seb128 | some 50 new should not change a lot *g* | 03:26 |
| thom | dholbach: i *really* hope you're joking | 03:26 |
| Kamion | at least I'm not top of the list of bug assignees ;) | 03:26 |
| dholbach | thom: why? | 03:26 |
| Kamion | a friend of mine actually likes VB *boggle* | 03:26 |
| thom | dholbach: you *like* VB? | 03:26 |
| seb128 | german guys have no taste at all | 03:26 |
| dholbach | thom: you're used to wrong sort of beer ;-) | 03:27 |
| bob2 | even .auians know vb is bad | 03:27 |
| lamont | Kamion: who is? /me bets seb128 (well, ignoring debzilla@, that is)( | 03:27 |
| seb128 | thom, they are just german, don't be that rude with them | 03:27 |
| bob2 | I'll have to find some coopers heritage for you | 03:27 |
| dholbach | yes, thom, i do :-) | 03:27 |
| thom | dholbach: dude, vb is not beer, it's water with some added alcohol | 03:27 |
| Kamion | lamont: no idea :) | 03:27 |
| crb | Kamion: having to sign Release.gpg sounds like altogether too much work. Can't we just have the installer ignore signing? ;) | 03:27 |
| Kamion | lamont: although I'd bet the same | 03:27 |
| Kamion | crb: that's what I said ... | 03:27 |
| dholbach | hrm, i'm open for suggestions :-) | 03:27 |
| crb | yeah | 03:27 |
| Kamion | 01:55 < Kamion> lamont: what to do about it> making apt just get a grip and not care about authentication on CDs is my preferred option :) | 03:28 |
| Kamion | it's not the installer's fault | 03:28 |
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| === infinity blinks. | ||
| infinity | Someone likes VB? | 03:41 |
| lamont | seb128: gonna just fix gtk-doc for you, since it's trivial | 03:41 |
| daniels | infinity: lies. | 03:41 |
| lamont | Kamion: agreed | 03:42 |
| infinity | daniels : dholbach claims he does. <points> | 03:42 |
| seb128 | lamont, thanls | 03:42 |
| seb128 | thanks even | 03:42 |
| dholbach | pitti, mvo, ogra, doko, riddell, amu: back me up :-) | 03:42 |
| seb128 | can anybody drop e-d-s1.2 from the archive ? | 03:42 |
| infinity | dholbach : You mean, there are SEVERAL people who like VB? | 03:42 |
| infinity | daniels, thom : Time to fork the company. | 03:43 |
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| dholbach | sissies :-) | 03:43 |
| lamont | seb128: is the old 'jade needs to be before docbook-dsssl in build-deps' thing | 03:43 |
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| tseng | lamont: nope. | 03:44 |
| lamont | tseng: ?? | 03:44 |
| tseng | eds got pulled in from sid | 03:44 |
| tseng | it doesnt belond | 03:44 |
| tseng | s/d/g | 03:44 |
| lamont | tseng: right... and my comment was on gtk-doc's ftbfs... | 03:45 |
| daniels | ok, you guys can all drink VB | 03:45 |
| daniels | just don't force it upon us :P | 03:45 |
| tseng | lamont: missed that | 03:45 |
| tseng | sleep time | 03:45 |
| lamont | daniels: and here I was starting to be afraid that they meant visual basic | 03:45 |
| dholbach | daniels: what do you suggest? :-) | 03:45 |
| infinity | lamont : Almost as vile. | 03:45 |
| dholbach | lamont: hahahaah | 03:45 |
| lamont | infinity: the so-called language is almost as vile, or the drink is? | 03:46 |
| daniels | dholbach: coopers pale ale, james squire porter, james squire golden ale, emersons chocolate stout, coopers heritage | 03:46 |
| crb | lamont: thanks for your idea re extras, I think I'll do that | 03:46 |
| daniels | pretty much anything else except tooheys new or anything with 'light' in the name | 03:46 |
| crb | will cause far less pain down the track | 03:46 |
| daniels | oh, an beez neez too | 03:46 |
| bob2 | boags STRONG ARM | 03:46 |
| dholbach | daniels: ahhhh ok - we have the drink store like 10 meters from here :-) | 03:47 |
| === infinity suggests dholbach and the boys try some FourX... | ||
| schweeb | hi dholbach | 03:47 |
| infinity | <snicker> | 03:47 |
| daniels | infinity: oh man. | 03:47 |
| dholbach | hey schweeb | 03:48 |
| schweeb | see you're planning on getting properly sloshed tonight, hehe | 03:48 |
| daniels | bob2: boags original bitter (in the tubes) is actually very good. garish yellow tubes. | 03:48 |
| lamont | infinity: are you doing the modutils merge? | 03:48 |
| infinity | lamont : Unless you want it.. | 03:48 |
| infinity | lamont : it's on my TODO this afternoon. | 03:48 |
| lamont | more power to you... | 03:48 |
| lamont | otherwise, since it's my package in debian... :-) | 03:49 |
| dholbach | what a nice version number: 20040816.BlameClockworkOrange-auto.3-1 | 03:49 |
| lamont | mind you, 'tis better for someone with a 2.4 kernel to actually do the work... :-) | 03:49 |
| infinity | lamont : Oh, if you're upstream, then take it. :) | 03:49 |
| lamont | infinity: I have no 2.4 kernel boxen atm | 03:49 |
| infinity | lamont : I can't have a 2.4 kernel anymore, since jbailey screwed me. :) | 03:49 |
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| lamont | infinity: I'll go ahead and take it then | 03:50 |
| infinity | lamont : (I run on PowerPC, glibc 2.3.5 on PPC doesn't support linux_threads, no more 2.4 for me) | 03:50 |
| lamont | heh | 03:50 |
| lamont | I guess I can see if the i386 box I have will actually boot a 2.4 kernel from universe | 03:50 |
| infinity | lamont : Just remember to reassign it to yourself, so I don't complete forgot this conversation in 2 hours and do it anyway. :) | 03:50 |
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| infinity | s/complete/completely/ | 03:51 |
| infinity | s/forgot/forget/ too. Gah. I'm turning Japanese. | 03:51 |
| lamont | daniels: you want a bug for l-r-m hating gcc-4.0, or you gonna just have fixed it already./ | 03:51 |
| lamont | ? | 03:51 |
| lamont | infinity: reassigned | 03:52 |
| === infinity hums the Vapors song, and goes back to work. | ||
| === lamont files a lrm bug | ||
| bluefoxicy | can somebody fix my shit? :/ | 03:52 |
| bob2 | bluefoxicy: no | 03:52 |
| bluefoxicy | apparently the code I wrote for managing miniallocs has been producing allocations of negative size | 03:52 |
| bluefoxicy | oh | 03:53 |
| bluefoxicy | and Xine segfaults on amd64 | 03:53 |
| bluefoxicy | I used to get around this by disabling the enforcement of PROT_EXEC when I used a pax kernel | 03:53 |
| bluefoxicy | (paxctl is nice) | 03:53 |
| bluefoxicy | so like, somebody from universe should look into fixing xine-lib | 03:54 |
| bluefoxicy | since it's infinitely better with video than the choppy ass gstreamer0.8 crap that jerks and renders poorly and freezes if you seek more than 3 times | 03:54 |
| daniels | lamont: i'll take the bug, yo | 03:54 |
| bluefoxicy | (i.e. totem) | 03:54 |
| bluefoxicy | daniels: how goes, anything sweet coming up for xorg? | 03:55 |
| lamont | daniels: 9984 | 03:56 |
| schweeb | bluefoxicy: does it work with the debian xine-lib? cause breezy is synced now, afaik... | 03:56 |
| bluefoxicy | schweeb: not sure. | 03:56 |
| bluefoxicy | I need a source of massive income. | 03:56 |
| schweeb | that'd be a good place to start | 03:56 |
| bluefoxicy | if I had $200 to blow, I'd put out a bounty on like, a driver for my broadcom card in my laptop | 03:56 |
| schweeb | if it was fixed in the sync, it's probably not worth your while to complain about it | 03:57 |
| daniels | bluefoxicy: i'm really enjoying my one-week holiday :P | 03:57 |
| bluefoxicy | schweeb: i'll try. | 03:57 |
| bluefoxicy | daniels: heh. | 03:57 |
| daniels | working on xorg upstream, as it happens | 03:57 |
| bluefoxicy | daniels: heh. So is there a hardware nvidia dri driver now with hardware 3D and a kernel driver? | 03:58 |
| === bluefoxicy is getting tired of nvidia's shit. | ||
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| bluefoxicy | It even crashes under DEP on Windows on amd64, much less PaX on Linux | 03:59 |
| daniels | i have no specs from nvidia. they maintain the 'open source' driver as well as the proprietary one; i have no insight into them. | 03:59 |
| bluefoxicy | daniels: so put a logic analyzer in the kernel? :P | 04:00 |
| mdz_ | lamont: I'm sort of half-here | 04:01 |
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| lamont | mdz_: is it better for me to have you sync a debian bug, or just file one and add the alias to snarf everything? | 04:03 |
| daniels | bluefoxicy: too complex | 04:03 |
| daniels | also not worth it for a vendor that will only go more and more closed | 04:03 |
| daniels | they're not going to say 'oh well, someone's got it half-figured out, might as well release our driver' | 04:03 |
| daniels | bearing in mind that the r300.sf.net guys were working from the r200 source and also have 2d docs for r300 | 04:04 |
| bluefoxicy | schweeb: no updated xine-lib in breezy | 04:05 |
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| bluefoxicy | what's after breezy? RaunchyRacoon? FurryFox? | 04:07 |
| lamont | cheerful crow, just for Kamion | 04:08 |
| lamont | chipper crow? | 04:08 |
| crb | counted crow | 04:09 |
| bob2 | bitter bear. | 04:09 |
| schweeb | curious cat | 04:11 |
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| infinity | brilliant bikeshed | 04:12 |
| schweeb | I hate cats though, I might have to skip a release if we named it something like that :p | 04:12 |
| infinity | Sure, a bikeshed isn't an animal, but I think it makes a statement. :) | 04:12 |
| schweeb | hrm | 04:13 |
| bluefoxicy | I like kitties | 04:13 |
| schweeb | I just had a lightbulb turn on | 04:13 |
| === bluefoxicy likes furry things | ||
| schweeb | we have the porn backgrounds, why not have porn release names :P | 04:13 |
| bluefoxicy | the backgrounds should be furries :p | 04:14 |
| schweeb | "raunchy randi" or something hehe | 04:14 |
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| bluefoxicy | actually | 04:14 |
| === bluefoxicy knows tons of furry artists | ||
| schweeb | that's disturbing. | 04:15 |
| bluefoxicy | maybe I can get some to sketch me backgrounds | 04:15 |
| bluefoxicy | and I can color them | 04:15 |
| bluefoxicy | schweeb: there's more disturbing things. | 04:16 |
| bob2 | not many | 04:16 |
| bluefoxicy | hey you're the one with the distro named all after personified animals | 04:17 |
| === dholbach liked SneezySnail a lot | ||
| schweeb | I liked grumpy groundhog :) | 04:18 |
| schweeb | I'm a grumpy person myself | 04:18 |
| schweeb | so it would have fit quite well | 04:18 |
| dholbach | schweeb: oh no... you're not | 04:18 |
| schweeb | dholbach: oh, I am, with stupid people. Luckily most of the people around here aren't so. But the few who are know who they are.... /me glares at them | 04:20 |
| bluefoxicy | i'm constantly surrounded by stupidity. | 04:20 |
| bluefoxicy | I work in retail. | 04:20 |
| schweeb | I've got you beat, I work in the financial industry. | 04:20 |
| schweeb | (for one more week, at least) | 04:21 |
| HrdwrBoB | ha. | 04:21 |
| HrdwrBoB | I work in government. | 04:21 |
| schweeb | WINNER | 04:21 |
| HrdwrBoB | :) | 04:21 |
| schweeb | although, financial stuff has to be a close second ;) | 04:21 |
| schweeb | dholbach: passed my bg check and everything, start my new job next friday! | 04:22 |
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| dholbach | schweeb: woohoo :-) | 04:23 |
| dholbach | ogra: done | 04:25 |
| ogra | dholbach, great :) | 04:26 |
| bluefoxicy | http://rafb.net/paste/results/lcaHUV32.html :/ | 04:28 |
| bluefoxicy | debugging data from my allocator, I'm making negative allocations. | 04:28 |
| lamont | bob2: the collective noun for crows is 'murder' | 04:29 |
| A_Alam | can some please help me, where i can add my langauge to ubuntu5.x? | 04:34 |
| pitti | A_Alam: you mean desktop translations? | 04:35 |
| pitti | A_Alam: the easiest method is to just start to translate applications on Rosetta | 04:35 |
| A_Alam | pitti, for liveCD, i want to boot in my lang | 04:35 |
| pitti | A_Alam: -> #ubuntu, please | 04:36 |
| A_Alam | desktop i m using Rosetta | 04:36 |
| A_Alam | pitti, thanks | 04:36 |
| pitti | A_Alam: can you please file a bug against debian-installer about adding Punjabi to the list of langs? | 04:43 |
| A_Alam | k, | 04:44 |
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| pitti | ajmitch: ping | 04:56 |
| pitti | tseng: ping | 04:57 |
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| pitti | Hi fabbione | 05:07 |
| pitti | fabbione: don't mind going to sleep? | 05:07 |
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| dholbach | see you later | 05:10 |
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| fabbione | morning | 05:19 |
| === Mithrandir kicks perl in the nuts | ||
| schweeb | guess it's about time for me to go to bed, fabbione's up :) | 05:21 |
| Mithrandir | heh :P | 05:21 |
| schweeb | <3 perl though | 05:22 |
| fabbione | eheh | 05:22 |
| ogra | hey fabbione | 05:22 |
| Mithrandir | it's just so broken; perl includes a config.h file. | 05:22 |
| ogra | heh | 05:23 |
| fabbione | hey ogra | 05:25 |
| lamont | daniels: I tossed 9997 at you, hope you don't mind... :)) | 05:27 |
| daniels | lamont: libxss-dev, yo | 05:28 |
| fabbione | lamont: did you start filing FTBFS bugs around? | 05:32 |
| infinity | fabbione : Yes, there are a few. | 05:34 |
| lamont | Bug 10000 has been added to the database | 05:35 |
| lamont | fabbione: yes | 05:35 |
| fabbione | infinity: i have a few tons on sparc :) | 05:35 |
| fabbione | lamont: if you have a list of packages, it would be a good idea to compare them with the sparcc buildd "needsreallove" mailbox | 05:35 |
| fabbione | lamont: apparently gcc-4 is not behaving properly on all arches | 05:35 |
| fabbione | not in the same way at least | 05:36 |
| lamont | fabbione: among the fun ones... g77-3.4 is in universe, but g77 depends on it. libtiffxx0 is in universe, but libtiff4 depends on it... | 05:36 |
| lamont | etc. | 05:36 |
| fabbione | lamont: yes.. that's why there is also a "builddep" forlder :) | 05:36 |
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| === lamont ponders whether or not it's valid for a package to require the existance of a working resolver in the chroot in order to build | ||
| lamont | or rather, whether or not it's legal to require that 'localhost' resolve. | 05:49 |
| fabbione | hmm that should always be resolvable via /etc/hosts | 05:49 |
| lamont | fabbione: not when there's no /etc/hosts in the chroot (hasn't been one yet... finally got a failure) | 05:49 |
| lamont | fabbione: hence I have to decide if I believe that it's really something that belongs in a minimal chroot, or if it's a valid FTBFS... | 05:51 |
| fabbione | what pkg is that? | 05:51 |
| lamont | with the exception of libapache2-mod-perl2, ipsec-tools, and iptraf, I'm done with my bonafide ftbfs's | 05:51 |
| lamont | libapache2-mod-perl2 | 05:51 |
| fabbione | hmm i have /etc/hosts and that's bootstrapping the chroot with --variant=buildd | 05:53 |
| fabbione | meh no | 05:53 |
| fabbione | but i have a resolv.conf | 05:53 |
| lamont | right | 05:53 |
| fabbione | and a dns that resolvs all possible combination of localhost :) | 05:53 |
| lamont | not so in the data center.. :-) | 05:53 |
| fabbione | my dc > london dc | 05:54 |
| fabbione | :P | 05:54 |
| Mithrandir | daniels: why does x drop .pc files in usr/X11R6/lib/pkgconfig/ ? | 05:54 |
| daniels | Mithrandir: because ProjectRoot is /usr/X11R6, and the monolithic tree is crap | 05:56 |
| daniels | you won't have to wait long for those to disappear; don't worry | 05:56 |
| Mithrandir | daniels: make the directory a symlink or something. | 05:56 |
| Mithrandir | in the build | 05:56 |
| fabbione | daniels: have you decided to kill X11R6 for breezy? | 05:56 |
| Mithrandir | I'd like to get pkgconfig in Debian and Ubuntu in sync | 05:56 |
| daniels | fabbione: yes | 05:57 |
| daniels | Mithrandir: ARGH M YEYES | 05:57 |
| daniels | Mithrandir: just be patient and /usr/X11R6/lib will be a symlink | 05:57 |
| daniels | and you can kill that nasty hack | 05:58 |
| fabbione | daniels:_ just X11R6 . | 05:58 |
| fabbione | everything will come up of one layer and match FHS | 05:58 |
| fabbione | :) | 05:58 |
| Mithrandir | daniels: it's not a nasty hack any more, it's just annoying to not being able to get elmo to sync. | 05:58 |
| daniels | Mithrandir: yeah | 06:00 |
| daniels | fabbione: heh :) somet hings are moving though, e.g. fonts to /usr/share | 06:00 |
| daniels | fabbione: so easier to make more fine-grained symlinks | 06:00 |
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| infinity | lamont : It's certainly valid for a package to spawn a temporary daemon to do loopback selftests during build (IMO), so if localhost can't resolve, are you going to tell them to use 127.0.0.1?... | 06:08 |
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| ajmitch | pitti: pong | 06:12 |
| pitti | ajmitch: you are doing SELinux stuff? I'm on the list of people for the SELinux BoF, but I have no clue about the technical details of SELinux | 06:13 |
| pitti | ajmitch: I do grsecurity on my machines... | 06:13 |
| pitti | ajmitch: can you lead the BoF? | 06:13 |
| ajmitch | yes, I am.. | 06:13 |
| pitti | ajmitch: or tseng? | 06:13 |
| ajmitch | yeah, I can probably do that | 06:13 |
| pitti | ajmitch: would be cool; can you put some ideas on the BoF page? | 06:14 |
| pitti | ajmitch: I will take a look at the page tomorrow if there is something at it, and do some comments maybre | 06:14 |
| ajmitch | sure, I'll try & do that over the next couple of days before I leave, not much time right now :) | 06:14 |
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| lamont | infinity: that's the question of the day... it should probably resolve.. | 06:24 |
| lamont | but I want to sleep on it. | 06:24 |
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| Unfrgiven | hi all. im not a ubuntu developer but am keen to get involved in linux development work. i am going to be at UDU next week as a way to find out how to get involved. does anyone have any suggestions as to what i can do in the meanwhile (myself). my strengths lie in C, C++ and perl. I've been a debian user for about 3+ years now. | 06:35 |
| infinity | lamont : We removed a test from php4's configure that tried to resolve localhost "just in case", but I'd be more inclined to say it should be a buildd requirement anyway. | 06:36 |
| Mithrandir | Unfrgiven: if you want to maintain packages, the MOTU (Masters of The Universe) team is probably for you. | 06:37 |
| thom | Unfrgiven: probably best of asking that kind of question in #ubuntu-love or #ubuntu-motu | 06:37 |
| Unfrgiven | Mithrandir: yeah i'd very much be interested in package maintenance | 06:37 |
| thom | as Mithrandir says, you really need to be working with MOTU | 06:37 |
| Unfrgiven | thom: thanks, i'll check that out. apologies for intruding in the wrong channel. | 06:37 |
| Mithrandir | Unfrgiven: no problem. There's also a fair amount of stuff on the wiki | 06:38 |
| crimsun | Unfrgiven: pleae see wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | 06:38 |
| crimsun | please^ | 06:38 |
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| Diablo-D3 | hey all | 06:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | I was thinking | 06:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | ubuntu needs a package called ubuntu | 06:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | that you can just apt-get, and it installs everything that a default install of ubuntu has | 06:39 |
| Mithrandir | Diablo-D3: you mean ubuntu-desktop? | 06:39 |
| crimsun | (or kubuntu-desktop for kubuntu) | 06:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | er | 06:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | woah | 06:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | that may be what I want | 06:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | but does it literally include everything? | 06:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | including things that arnt desktop related? | 06:40 |
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| infinity | A default ubuntu installation is pretty desktop oriented. | 06:41 |
| Mithrandir | it depends on ubuntu-base and so on | 06:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ooh | 06:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | thats exactly what I'm looking for then | 06:41 |
| infinity | (mainly cause the server installation doesn't have much of anything, because no two server admins can ever agree on what they think the "default" packages should be) | 06:41 |
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| Diablo-D3 | infinity: the default server installation should be debian. | 06:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | ie, minimalistic as possible | 06:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | but still possible to boot and support most hardware | 06:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | and not suck that bad | 06:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | hrm, question | 06:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | why does it depend on x-window-system-core and not x-window-system? | 06:43 |
| infinity | Because x-window-system pulls in default window managers and session managers and such that people don't want. | 06:44 |
| lamont | infinity: that, and installing daemons that only listen on 127.0.0.1 by default is kinda painful for the admins... hence the proposal to remove all MTA's from ubuntu-base | 06:44 |
| infinity | (like twm and zdm and whatnot) | 06:44 |
| infinity | lamont : Yeah, agreed. | 06:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | ahh | 06:44 |
| infinity | s/zdm/xdm/ | 06:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | doesnt a linux system require an MTA? | 06:45 |
| lamont | Diablo-D3: the server install is ubuntu-base | 06:45 |
| lamont | Diablo-D3: no.. LSB does, but you can require that they install a package for conformance | 06:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | hrm | 06:45 |
| === Diablo-D3 seriously cant imagine a life without a mta | ||
| infinity | *My* systems all require an MTA of some sort, but the average end-user system certainly doesn't. | 06:45 |
| lamont | there are better ways to get root mail to where the end-user will notice it... (see update notifier for example) | 06:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | then again I use fetchmail and procmail ;) | 06:46 |
| infinity | How often does my mom mail my dad on the local machine? | 06:46 |
| lamont | infinity: yes | 06:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | gimp-python: Depends: python (< 2.4) but 2.4.1-0ubuntu2 is to be installed | 06:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | wtf | 06:46 |
| lamont | Diablo-D3: can't imagine it either... but really it's life without an MUA that you can't really imagine, esp if you're an enduser | 06:46 |
| lamont | Diablo-D3: if that's a pure ubuntu repository, then there's a little bug... hoary or breezy? | 06:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | oh gar! | 06:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | thats my fault | 06:47 |
| lamont | mix-n-match is _BAD_ | 06:47 |
| === Diablo-D3 's gimp-python is nwer than whats in ubuntu | ||
| lamont | and my gimp-python has python (<< 2.5), python (>= 2.4) | 06:47 |
| lamont | heh | 06:47 |
| lamont | apt_preferences(5) is your friend for crossgrading sid->ubuntu | 06:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | crossgrading? | 06:48 |
| lamont | if you decide to take a debian system to ubuntu, after upstream-version-freeze, you can't really call it an upgrade, since you wind up down-reving some packages | 06:48 |
| lamont | neither is it a downgrade. | 06:49 |
| lamont | therefore, it's a crossgrade | 06:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | ahh | 06:49 |
| lamont | and therein lies some understanding of why it's not an officially supported way of getting ubuntu on your machine... | 06:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | I'm used to dealing with broken stuff | 06:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | dealing with ->ubuntu is pretty easy | 06:49 |
| lamont | yeah - my crossgrade trick is to pin ubuntu at somewhere around 1600, and let apt have its way | 06:50 |
| Diablo-D3 | yow 224 megs | 06:51 |
| lamont | for what? sid->hoary? sounds about right | 06:51 |
| lamont | (new kernel, X, gnome, for starters...) | 06:52 |
| infinity | (anything 1001 and over is high enough to force downgrades) | 06:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | and I'm going to have to play the deboprhan game too probably | 06:52 |
| infinity | lamont : You just like to make sure apt got the point, I take it? :) | 06:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | yeah, I dont even have gnome installed atm | 06:52 |
| lamont | last time I did it, I pinned it high, did the apt-get dist-upgrade, and then dumped the package list and compared it to the Packages file, to see what things I had installed that weren't from ubuntu-main... etc, etc. | 06:53 |
| lamont | infinity: yeah :-) | 06:53 |
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| lamont | infinity: truthfully, couldn't remember off the cuff if it was {>,>=}{1000,1500} | 06:53 |
| lamont | but 1600 meets all of those options. :-) | 06:53 |
| Diablo-D3 | hrm | 06:53 |
| infinity | Heh. | 06:53 |
| Diablo-D3 | do any applications actually use mDNS? | 06:53 |
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| Diablo-D3 | I'm only asking because I didnt see it on the list | 06:54 |
| infinity | I really wish people would stop switching patch systems on a whim. | 06:54 |
| lamont | infinity: from what to what, I wonder? | 06:54 |
| infinity | In this case, simple-patchsys to dpatch, including moving a bunch of files around. | 06:55 |
| infinity | Which means a completely buggered merge attempt by MOM (whou THOUGHT she got it mostly right, that's the scary part) | 06:55 |
| infinity | s/whou/who/ | 06:55 |
| infinity | The really great part of this diff is the 3.2 megs for a uuencoded binary MOM is trying to move back to where she thinks it should live. :) | 06:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | infinity: you mean scm? | 06:57 |
| === Diablo-D3 must be lagging | ||
| Diablo-D3 | --- Ping reply from infinity : 63.11 second(s) | 06:58 |
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| ogra | daniels, hmm.... reading up it looks like #ubuntu-crossgrade | 07:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | hrm, I'm trying to find the policy on trying to become an ubuntu maintainer | 07:01 |
| daniels | Diablo-D3: it's on the wiki,. | 07:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | is it still like trying to become a debian one? | 07:01 |
| ogra | Diablo-D3, see the MOTU pages on the wiki | 07:01 |
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| lamont | Diablo-D3: easier and harder. | 07:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | well, is the policy on pgp keys still retarded? | 07:02 |
| lamont | Diablo-D3: see the wiki pages | 07:02 |
| === Diablo-D3 has a slow connection | ||
| Diablo-D3 | so wait a second =P | 07:03 |
| lamont | (frankly, can't remember) | 07:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | ahah, masters of the universe | 07:04 |
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| === lamont would like beat whoever thought it would be good for gcc-4.0 to hijack user space names. (specifically 'log' and 'errors') | ||
| Diablo-D3 | looks like a difficult process | 07:06 |
| lamont | Diablo-D3: yeah, but actually getting involved in making things happen is trivial. | 07:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | thats what the debian project said | 07:07 |
| lamont | it's what I've witnessed here | 07:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | well, hopefully you're right | 07:07 |
| lamont | Diablo-D3: ask ogra | 07:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | I never bothered actually helping the debian project because they are so retarded about how stuff should work | 07:07 |
| daniels | Diablo-D3: please a) stop being a twat ('well, is the policy on pgp keys still retarded?'), and b) move this off-topic discussion out of #ubuntu-devel. | 07:08 |
| daniels | anti-debian rants are not on topic here. | 07:08 |
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| Diablo-D3 | lamont: so hopefully the ubuntu community is more friendly. | 07:08 |
| daniels | calling debian 'retarded' is not one way to win that friendship and respect. | 07:09 |
| lamont | Diablo-D3: I've found both communities to be quite friendly, but it's really an off-topic item | 07:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | yeah, we really need an offtopic channel for #ubuntu-devel | 07:10 |
| daniels | #ubuntu-offtopic. | 07:10 |
| === Diablo-D3 was hoping someone would volunteer to make one | ||
| daniels | it's already there. | 07:12 |
| Kamion | lamont: log() is specified by C99 | 07:20 |
| Kamion | erm, and POSIX? | 07:20 |
| Kamion | you can -fno-builtin-log or similar though | 07:20 |
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| ogra | who sets it ? mdz ? | 07:21 |
| lamont | Kamion: nah, I'll just rename the variable | 07:21 |
| lamont | I bet 'errors' is defined in there somewhere too | 07:22 |
| fabbione | lamont: can you take a look at gtk+2.0 situation on the buildds? | 07:22 |
| fabbione | lamont: for some reasons sparc managed to build it... | 07:22 |
| fabbione | lamont: all the other arches are claiming a missing Build-Dep ? | 07:22 |
| Kamion | 'errors' is not in C99; I don't know what that's about | 07:23 |
| lamont | fabbione: you have a polluted chroot | 07:24 |
| lamont | libtiff4-dev: Depends: libtiffxx0 (= 3.7.2-2) but it is not installable | 07:24 |
| lamont | libtiffxx0 is in universe, and hence libtiff4-dev is uninstallabkle | 07:24 |
| lamont | unless you have universe in sources.list, which you shouldn't when building main packages | 07:24 |
| lamont | or maybe you haven't successfully built libtiff4-dev yet... | 07:25 |
| fabbione | lamont: the chroot is cleaned daily... | 07:25 |
| fabbione | and i split main/universe. so it is probably the libtiff4 | 07:26 |
| lamont | fabbione: I don't doubt you - was just rattling off the possibilities | 07:26 |
| Mithrandir | fabbione: the new kernel will have inotify? | 07:27 |
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| lamont | ogra: not sure who the final authority is on priorities, but mdz would certainly know... | 07:27 |
| fabbione | tiff: | 07:27 |
| fabbione | Package : tiff | 07:27 |
| fabbione | Version : 3.7.2-2 | 07:27 |
| fabbione | State : Installed | 07:27 |
| fabbione | Installed-Version : 3.7.2-2 | 07:27 |
| fabbione | ARGH | 07:27 |
| fabbione | sorry for the flood | 07:27 |
| lamont | hehe | 07:27 |
| fabbione | Mithrandir: yes. | 07:27 |
| fabbione | Mithrandir: the new one is working | 07:28 |
| Mithrandir | fabbione: any ETA? :) | 07:28 |
| fabbione | Mithrandir: as soon as we can upload... | 07:28 |
| lamont | fabbione: and does libtiff4-dev Depend: libtiffxx0? | 07:28 |
| lamont | and if so, where is libtiffxx0? | 07:28 |
| fabbione | lamont: checking... | 07:28 |
| fabbione | libtiffxx0 (= 3.7.2-2) | 07:29 |
| fabbione | Source: tiff | 07:29 |
| fabbione | ???? | 07:29 |
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| fabbione | lamont: for what i can see libtiffxx0 comes out of tiff | 07:30 |
| fabbione | so given that you build tiff, you have both... | 07:30 |
| lamont | fabbione: right. but libtiffxx0 is in UNIVERSE, not MAIN. | 07:31 |
| lamont | and if you can install libtiff4-dev, then you have it in MAIN | 07:31 |
| fabbione | lamont: not for me... | 07:31 |
| fabbione | it took the package from the incoming cache | 07:31 |
| lamont | ==universe | 07:32 |
| fabbione | since sparc.u.c isn't updated regularly, i need to rely on a local cache | 07:32 |
| fabbione | so that would explain the situation | 07:32 |
| lamont | yes | 07:32 |
| lamont | mind you, the correct fix is probably to promote libtiffxx0 | 07:32 |
| fabbione | i think there is no other option | 07:32 |
| fabbione | otherwise 3/4 of main is stalled | 07:33 |
| === fabbione starts to believe that all this sparc buildd affair is bringing up interesting aspects of main/universe | ||
| lamont | fabbione: the alternative is to eliminate the dependency | 07:34 |
| lamont | which may or may not be a good idea, of course... :) | 07:34 |
| fabbione | lamont: well, but if they depend on eachother, there might be a reason :) | 07:34 |
| fabbione | yeah exactly | 07:34 |
| fabbione | i would say to promote it | 07:34 |
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| fabbione | it's just a very simple lib | 07:35 |
| fabbione | nothing fancy in it | 07:35 |
| lamont | yeah - I haven't looked. | 07:35 |
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| lamont | fabbione: and once ports.u.c is in place, sparc should update cleanly and regularly | 07:36 |
| fabbione | lamont: yes, i am aware of it | 07:36 |
| fabbione | but i can't do otherwise atm | 07:36 |
| fabbione | i used to have a cache of 2 hours, that was pretty safe | 07:37 |
| fabbione | build -> upload -> cache -> rsync -> kill cache | 07:37 |
| fabbione | so the chroot was exposed only for 2 hours on pks in transit to archive | 07:37 |
| === fabbione hopes elmo will find the time to bring up ports soon | ||
| lamont | Kamion: modutils_2.4.27.0-2ubuntu1 uploaded, just for yuou | 07:39 |
| fabbione | lamont: we need to hug elmo really hard at UDU to get ports up.. and shell out some money for beer ;) | 07:40 |
| lamont | wow. 1 more hour and ia64 might have a gcc-4.0 :) | 07:40 |
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| lamont | fabbione: yes. must be very nice to him at UDU.... | 07:41 |
| lamont | not sure about the beer angle, though... don't want him setting it up while he's intoxicated... | 07:41 |
| fabbione | lamont: ehhe i didn't even jump in his bed in London :) | 07:41 |
| lamont | fabbione: TMI | 07:41 |
| lamont | :-) | 07:42 |
| fabbione | ehe | 07:44 |
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| fabbione | Kamion, mdz_: can we promote libtiffxx0 to main please? | 07:54 |
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| Kamion | lamont: thanks, will look at that when I come to fix busybox-cvs - hopefully fairly soon | 07:57 |
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| lamont | heh.. someone needs to get them more NAT IP's at LCA - or teach OPN about them | 08:05 |
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| fabbione | night lamont | 08:06 |
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| fabbione | jbailey: i think i found the bug in glibc about ipv4 being preferred over ipv6 | 08:25 |
| fabbione | jbailey: i am going to do a test build pretty soon | 08:25 |
| jbailey | fabbione: Cool. | 08:25 |
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| jbailey | Is it something caused by a local patch, or somethign in upstream? | 08:26 |
| fabbione | upstream | 08:26 |
| infinity | glibc doesn't have bugs, fabbione. It's all in your head. | 08:26 |
| jbailey | 'kay. =( MEans I'll have to figure out why it changed. | 08:26 |
| infinity | That's what jbailey keeps telling me. | 08:26 |
| mjg59 | fabbione: your 2.6.12 seems to have dropped the patch to i810 drm | 08:26 |
| mjg59 | i915 rather, sorry | 08:26 |
| fabbione | mjg59: i dropped everything that was named stolen-from-upstream* | 08:27 |
| fabbione | mjg59: for .12 they should find their way to upstream | 08:27 |
| mjg59 | fabbione: hm. The one I sent you didn't come from upstream. | 08:28 |
| mjg59 | It was a single line patch that changed the version number in the driver | 08:29 |
| fabbione | mjg59: let me check... | 08:29 |
| fabbione | mjg59: right.. i am readding it | 08:31 |
| fabbione | mjg59: dunno why i thought it was coming from upstream | 08:31 |
| mjg59 | No problem | 08:32 |
| fabbione | Nodes: 3 | 08:33 |
| fabbione | Expected_votes: 3 | 08:33 |
| fabbione | Total_votes: 3 | 08:33 |
| fabbione | YAY | 08:33 |
| fabbione | 3 nodes cluster! | 08:33 |
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| fabbione | mjg59: done... | 08:37 |
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| mdz_ | fabbione: does it have any dependencies which are not in main? | 09:16 |
| mdz_ | doesn't seem to | 09:18 |
| mdz_ | fabbione: done | 09:18 |
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| fabbione | mdz_: thanks | 09:20 |
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| elmo | whoever's trying to use tilde's in version, stop it | 09:27 |
| Mithrandir | I thought they were supported now? | 09:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | elmo: eww | 09:27 |
| Mithrandir | (yes, I'm trying to) | 09:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | why would anyone want a tilde in a version? | 09:27 |
| Mithrandir | Diablo-D3: because it means less-than | 09:28 |
| elmo | Mithrandir: no, they aren't | 09:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | erm, ~ means "roughly" in mathspeek. | 09:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | < is less than. | 09:28 |
| Mithrandir | Diablo-D3: read the dpkg source code. | 09:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | ... please tell me dpkg didnt rewrite the 2000 year old language of math | 09:29 |
| d3vic3 | O.o | 09:29 |
| Mithrandir | Diablo-D3: math doesn't have a concept of sorting. | 09:30 |
| Mithrandir | elmo: when will they be? | 09:31 |
| infinity | elmo : Are we still lacking support in some tools, or is it just a question of maintinainig the woody upgrade path for a while longer? | 09:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | Mithrandir: meh =/ | 09:31 |
| mdz_ | Kamion: there are more debbugs bugs breaking debzilla | 09:33 |
| Kamion | elmo: please sync parted 1.6.21-1 from unstable; OK to overwrite 1.6.20-0.exp.2ubuntu2 | 09:33 |
| Kamion | mdz_: I mentioned the problem to Don Armstrong, who did most of that patch; in the meantime, please mail me bug numbers and I'll fix them | 09:34 |
| elmo | Mithrandir: when you figure out how sucky a duck is as a logo | 09:34 |
| elmo | infinity: katie needs fixed | 09:34 |
| elmo | Kamion: done | 09:34 |
| Kamion | ta | 09:35 |
| thom | infinity: see the three newly released firefox vulns? :/ | 09:37 |
| Mithrandir | elmo: blah. :P | 09:37 |
| infinity | thom : New, as in post-1.0.3? | 09:39 |
| thom | as in fixed in 1.0.3 | 09:39 |
| thom | and just unembargoed | 09:39 |
| infinity | Yeah, I'll do all the 1.0.3 stuff later. | 09:40 |
| thom | infinity: 9926 through 9928 | 09:40 |
| infinity | One pre-1.0.3 upload, one post-1.0.3.. Unless they're simple. | 09:40 |
| thom | i'm just gonna do hoary | 09:40 |
| infinity | Go ahead and do hoary, please. :) | 09:40 |
| infinity | I've been busy with, well, everything, so I'd rather get some sort of packages uploaded than nothing at all. | 09:41 |
| infinity | And I intend to force some people at UDU to test the packages before we do an advisory, since they stand a high chance of breaking. | 09:41 |
| thom | nods | 09:42 |
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| jsgotangco | waa | 09:59 |
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| jsgotangco | ogra, hi | 10:01 |
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| ogra | jsgotangco, hey | 10:01 |
| infinity | daniels : Nice reaction time. | 10:02 |
| jsgotangco | im so tired already i gotta take a day off before i fly off | 10:03 |
| daniels | my battery was low enough that it refused to resume, given that I'd likely run out of power in a few seconds | 10:03 |
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| jsgotangco | ok guys bye bye i might not be online by tommorow see you in UDU | 10:29 |
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| zyga | hello | 11:10 |
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| astharot | giorno | 11:22 |
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| pitti | Hellas! | 12:37 |
| ogra | prost | 12:38 |
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| fabbione | hey | 12:39 |
| d3vic3 | fabbione, | 12:39 |
| d3vic3 | fabbione: aren't u suppose to be flying already ? | 12:41 |
| fabbione | no | 12:41 |
| fabbione | i will leave saturday morning | 12:41 |
| d3vic3 | oh ok | 12:42 |
| tseng | pitti: yep i only know selinux basics, would be happier with ajmitch running | 12:42 |
| pitti | tseng: Hi! ajmitch already agreed to do this more or less :) | 12:42 |
| tseng | great :) | 12:42 |
| fabbione | humpf 2.6.12rc3 is out | 12:42 |
| === fabbione addes the ubercrack level at his kernel build tree | ||
| pitti | hui | 12:43 |
| fabbione | and gcc-4.0.0 is out | 12:43 |
| fabbione | where is doko when we need him?= | 12:43 |
| pitti | fabbione: he just left to open a bottle of Whiskey | 12:44 |
| fabbione | pitti: and upload after or during the bottle :) | 12:44 |
| pitti | fabbione: I'm afraid we shouldn't allow him to upload a new gcc after that | 12:44 |
| fabbione | nah | 12:44 |
| pitti | gggcccc-44.0 | 12:44 |
| d3vic3 | heh | 12:44 |
| fabbione | ahha | 12:45 |
| pitti | fabbione: btw, boring week, no new kernel dildos | 12:45 |
| pitti | fabbione: you already must felt underloved by now | 12:45 |
| fabbione | pitti: better.. i am busy enough already | 12:46 |
| === fabbione branches 2.6.11.90 to start rc3 | ||
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| fabbione | doko put down the bottle of whisky | 12:50 |
| fabbione | gcc-4.0.0 is out | 12:50 |
| fabbione | ETA for the upload? :P | 12:51 |
| pitti | fabbione: the upload alone will take ~ 3 days from here | 12:51 |
| doko | fabbione: bake your rc3 kernel first ;-P | 12:51 |
| === pitti wants to see 2.6.12 FTBFS with gcc 4 | ||
| pitti | and watch the fight | 12:51 |
| === pitti fetches the popcorn | ||
| ogra | fabbione, hee hasch noh boddl ahnymohr | 12:52 |
| fabbione | doko: dude.. rc3 is already building :) | 12:53 |
| fabbione | pitti: no no.. gcc-3.3 for the kernel... | 12:53 |
| ogra | fabbione, fix the kernel ;) | 12:53 |
| pitti | fabbione: but - it will _work_ with gcc 3.3 - where's the fun? | 12:53 |
| === doko prefers the mais more than popcorn as a weapon | ||
| fabbione | ogra: shut up dude :) | 12:54 |
| fabbione | pitti: there is no fun atm... | 12:54 |
| ogra | :) | 12:54 |
| fabbione | the fun will come after we get .12 out | 12:54 |
| fabbione | than we will switch compiler | 12:54 |
| tseng | mmmm, ftbfs | 01:07 |
| fabbione | uhuhu 12rc3 is already building :) | 01:12 |
| fabbione | doko: where is gcc? :P | 01:13 |
| d3vic3 | doko: MOVE AWAY FROM THE WHISKY BOTTLE ! :P | 01:14 |
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| Treenaks | fabbione: I had a request from a Dutch user for a preview of the .12 kernel -- his ICH6 Intel on-board sound stuff didn't work in .10 | 01:22 |
| fabbione | Treenaks: no preview.. sorry. there are still a few problems that need to be solved before i can push .21 in the archive | 01:23 |
| Treenaks | fabbione: ok | 01:24 |
| fabbione | and i really won't be able to help him if the system will mess up | 01:24 |
| fabbione | also.. .12 will be for breezy | 01:24 |
| fabbione | it needs already too much hacking to go in hoary | 01:25 |
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| Treenaks | fabbione: yes of course | 01:26 |
| Treenaks | fabbione: I asked him to upgrade already, and he installed the meta-packages.. so it should be OK once you declare it final | 01:27 |
| fabbione | if he is on breezy yes | 01:27 |
| fabbione | it will be final when i will push the big red button on my desk with written "Deploy luser automatic system destroier" | 01:28 |
| Treenaks | cool, where do I get those? | 01:28 |
| fabbione | Treenaks: the same day you will get baz commit rights on kernel/libc6/gcc/xorg | 01:29 |
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| fabbione | or grub | 01:29 |
| Treenaks | cool | 01:29 |
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| jbailey | lamont: You around? | 02:04 |
| fabbione | hey jbailey | 02:05 |
| jbailey | Heya Fabio! | 02:06 |
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| lamont | jbailey: morning | 02:59 |
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| adamh | php4 doesn't seem to be compiled with the zip extension, and I can't find any packages that provide it. Is my only option to compile from source? | 03:36 |
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| leonel | hello ! firefox1.0.3 was released is there any patch for hoary's firefox 1.0.2 to fix the bugs 1.0.3 fixed ? | 04:20 |
| ups | leonel, i'm not a dev, but i think most of the patches are already in ubuntu's firefox | 04:26 |
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| trygvebw | Would it be an idea to forward "su" to "sudo -i"? | 05:56 |
| uniq | trygvebw: feel free to make your own alias. :) | 05:59 |
| trygvebw | uniq: Of course :) but i was thinking that it maybe was an idea to include one as standard in Ubuntu? | 05:59 |
| Burgundavia | no | 05:59 |
| Burgundavia | too confusing | 05:59 |
| uniq | agreed. | 06:00 |
| Burgundavia | as that is not expected behaviour | 06:00 |
| Burgundavia | those that know about su need to use it | 06:00 |
| Burgundavia | not be told about sudo | 06:00 |
| uniq | would be like making an alias of 'vi' to nano.. or something. | 06:00 |
| Burgundavia | anyway, the great unwashed used gksudo or kdesu | 06:00 |
| Burgundavia | and should never see the command line | 06:00 |
| trygvebw | Well, it's more friendly to newbies, and it *would* do the same thing as "su" without parameters... | 06:01 |
| Burgundavia | trygvebw, did you read what I just said? | 06:01 |
| trygvebw | Burgundavia, yes i did | 06:01 |
| uniq | messing with coreutils is bad. | 06:01 |
| Burgundavia | trygvebw, then you will know why it is bad | 06:01 |
| trygvebw | Well... Who need the "su" tool in the standard configuration? | 06:02 |
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| uniq | need/want/expect it to be there.. | 06:02 |
| uniq | I expect it to be there.. | 06:02 |
| uniq | I don't expect su to start sudo in any way. | 06:02 |
| Burgundavia | those that know about su need to use it, not be told about sudo | 06:02 |
| trygvebw | Well, "sudo -i" will do exactly (nearly) the same thing as "sudo -i" | 06:02 |
| trygvebw | Without telling anybody that it *is* "sudo" | 06:03 |
| uniq | still a bad idea. it's like makiing 'vi' a alias to nano, you can still edit your files.. | 06:03 |
| uniq | .. but i hate nano :) | 06:04 |
| trygvebw | There is a big difference, "vi" works, but "su" doesn't. | 06:04 |
| uniq | su works if you enable the root account. | 06:05 |
| trygvebw | Usually people who know show to activate root also knows how to remove the alias. | 06:06 |
| uniq | the essential here is as burgundavia said "expected behaviour".. | 06:07 |
| trygvebw | And like i said, the behavior of "sudo -i" and "su" is exactly the same... | 06:08 |
| Burgundavia | trygvebw, uh, no | 06:08 |
| uniq | without arguments.. yes. | 06:08 |
| trygvebw | yes | 06:08 |
| uniq | or well. | 06:08 |
| uniq | no. | 06:08 |
| uniq | nearly.. | 06:08 |
| uniq | not enought. | 06:08 |
| trygvebw | Most people who use arguments knows how to remove the alias. | 06:08 |
| uniq | if they know it's there.. | 06:08 |
| Burgundavia | if you type in su | 06:08 |
| Burgundavia | you get a password prompt | 06:09 |
| Burgundavia | I just did | 06:09 |
| trygvebw | You also do with "sudo -i | 06:09 |
| trygvebw | " | 06:09 |
| Burgundavia | but the difference is what password they are looking for | 06:09 |
| Burgundavia | su is looking for roots | 06:09 |
| uniq | trygvebw: try 'sudo -i -s /bin/zsh' | 06:09 |
| Burgundavia | sudo -i is looking for mine | 06:09 |
| trygvebw | uniq: Doesn't work | 06:10 |
| uniq | I know. | 06:10 |
| trygvebw | Burgundavia, well, we could print a warning... | 06:10 |
| uniq | su -s /bin/zsh does. | 06:10 |
| trygvebw | uniq: <trygvebw> Most people who use arguments knows how to remove the alias. | 06:10 |
| trygvebw | Burgundavia, well, we could print a warning... | 06:10 |
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| Burgundavia | trygvebw, why not just do what is normal"? | 06:11 |
| uniq | :) | 06:11 |
| Burgundavia | the only people who need su, actually want su | 06:11 |
| trygvebw | Because "su" -> "sudo -i" is more newbie friendly... | 06:11 |
| uniq | no, it's just confusing. | 06:12 |
| Burgundavia | trygvebw, please understand, the great unwashed is never going to use su | 06:12 |
| trygvebw | Burgundavia, well, people are instructed (irc, forums) to do special command line things including "su". They type "su", and can't get further. | 06:12 |
| Burgundavia | trygvebw, they shouldn | 06:13 |
| Burgundavia | t | 06:13 |
| Burgundavia | be | 06:13 |
| trygvebw | Why? | 06:13 |
| Burgundavia | Ubuntu uses sudo | 06:13 |
| Burgundavia | people should follow the defaults | 06:13 |
| Burgundavia | unless they really know better | 06:13 |
| trygvebw | What if users of other distros instruct them? | 06:13 |
| uniq | .. and then they know how to enable the root account.. | 06:13 |
| trygvebw | ^ | 06:13 |
| Burgundavia | that is not really an issue we can deal with, and your "fix" won't help | 06:14 |
| trygvebw | Well... | 06:14 |
| trygvebw | Ok :) | 06:14 |
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| zyga | hello | 06:21 |
| uniq | hi. | 06:22 |
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| zyga | bluefoxicy: ping | 06:32 |
| bluefoxicy | hi | 06:34 |
| bluefoxicy | zyga: http://rafb.net/paste/results/lcaHUV32.html | 06:35 |
| zyga | bluefoxicy: looking :-) | 06:36 |
| zyga | BTW: what's the naming cheme? | 06:37 |
| bluefoxicy | ? | 06:37 |
| zyga | nevermind | 06:37 |
| zyga | ! | 06:38 |
| zyga | how did you resolve malloc? | 06:38 |
| zyga | (the real malloc) | 06:38 |
| zyga | I had constant problems with real programs | 06:38 |
| bluefoxicy | uh | 06:38 |
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| bluefoxicy | I didn't find glibc's malloc | 06:38 |
| bluefoxicy | I just have my own implementation. | 06:38 |
| bluefoxicy | hence the infinite loop and negative size allocations. | 06:38 |
| zyga | so real_malloc is your custom right? | 06:38 |
| bluefoxicy | yeah | 06:38 |
| zyga | ok | 06:39 |
| zyga | I had strange results yesterday | 06:39 |
| bluefoxicy | once_malloc() has initializers | 06:39 |
| bluefoxicy | and a pthread_once() call which is expensive as hell | 06:39 |
| zyga | I could not repeat the behaviour of your first test | 06:39 |
| bluefoxicy | so it switches a pointer to real_malloc() | 06:39 |
| bluefoxicy | so the first (few?) malloc() calls may be once_malloc(), the following become real_malloc() | 06:39 |
| zyga | the one where one allocation was holding memory back | 06:39 |
| zyga | (now it always holds the memory back, even after it's released) | 06:39 |
| zyga | but I've updated to breezy so that could be relevant | 06:40 |
| bluefoxicy | o.O | 06:40 |
| bluefoxicy | now it holds memory even after dropping the heap holder in msztest? | 06:40 |
| zyga | yes | 06:40 |
| bluefoxicy | what the ass? | 06:40 |
| zyga | I'm currently ignoring thread safty | 06:40 |
| bluefoxicy | it should drop from like 100 megs to 2 megs | 06:40 |
| zyga | :> | 06:40 |
| zyga | it does after the process dies | 06:40 |
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| zyga | I'm going to test it more excessively today | 06:40 |
| zyga | I hope malloc still suxx ;] | 06:41 |
| bluefoxicy | haha | 06:41 |
| zyga | otherwise we d'be out of hobby :> | 06:41 |
| bluefoxicy | I may be out of a job soon | 06:41 |
| zyga | s/we d'/we'd / | 06:41 |
| bluefoxicy | I fix computers, but my performance is rated by how I sell services | 06:42 |
| zyga | what do you sell? | 06:42 |
| bluefoxicy | so like, the sales guys sell computers and are supposed to give us the customers so we sell them services | 06:42 |
| bluefoxicy | except | 06:42 |
| bluefoxicy | the sales guys bring me customers that want a computer and 10 billion services | 06:42 |
| bluefoxicy | so I do the services | 06:42 |
| Amaranth | You work at Besy Buy? | 06:42 |
| bluefoxicy | but I dont sell them. | 06:42 |
| bluefoxicy | Amaranth: yes | 06:42 |
| bluefoxicy | it's weird though. | 06:42 |
| bluefoxicy | We have to be "Bringing in money" but we're NOT commissioned. | 06:42 |
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| zyga | bbl | 06:43 |
| bluefoxicy | you don't make more because you sell more; but you lose your job if you don't make the company any money | 06:43 |
| Amaranth | You're one of those "GeekSquad" guys? | 06:43 |
| bluefoxicy | but people are like "OMFG CHECK IT I SOLDS $10GAZILION" | 06:43 |
| bluefoxicy | Amaranth: yep | 06:43 |
| Amaranth | Good to know some of them actaully have a clue... | 06:43 |
| bluefoxicy | Amaranth: actualyl I have like 10000 new services we could supply but don't | 06:43 |
| bluefoxicy | most involving open source software because you don't need a commercial license or NDA to use it. | 06:44 |
| bluefoxicy | I mean we could put a fucking customized firefox on CD and sell it for $20 | 06:44 |
| Amaranth | It seems like the ones at the Best Buy here know how to replace HDs, replace RAM, and reinstall Windows. Other than that they try to sell you a new computer. | 06:44 |
| bluefoxicy | as long as the XPI stuff used to install firefox was with it, and the source code to firefox was available (mozilla.org) | 06:44 |
| bluefoxicy | Amaranth: oh yes | 06:44 |
| bluefoxicy | Amaranth: I'll spend all day trying to fix a broken computer to avoid letting them reinstall the OS | 06:45 |
| bluefoxicy | because I want to fix the shit | 06:45 |
| Burgundavia | bluefoxicy, I just left a repair shop like that | 06:45 |
| Burgundavia | and I was gald | 06:45 |
| bluefoxicy | Burgundavia: If i had thec apital I'd start my own linux-centric business | 06:45 |
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| Burgundavia | bluefoxicy, quit while you are ahead | 06:45 |
| Amaranth | I did that when I was doing to tech work. I'd waste 5 hours running virus scanners and spyware tools instead of spending an hour reinstalling windows. | 06:45 |
| bluefoxicy | Burgundavia: I need money BADLY | 06:45 |
| Amaranth | s/to// | 06:46 |
| Burgundavia | hmm | 06:46 |
| bluefoxicy | my bank accounts are dry and my insurance is due the 29th | 06:46 |
| Amaranth | Because if you even changed the user's background they'd freak. | 06:46 |
| Burgundavia | I worked for a small company | 06:46 |
| Burgundavia | they were a little more sane | 06:46 |
| Amaranth | btw, when you do have to reinstall windows get it all setup then create an XP restore point | 06:47 |
| Amaranth | if they bring it in again just restore to that point | 06:47 |
| bluefoxicy | Burgundavia: I want to talk to my district manager about getting permission to market and perform a few new services, the most basic being one linux centric one where we take an old PC they have that they want to junk and install Linux on it for a very low fee (OS installation is like $200 what the fuck?) | 06:48 |
| bluefoxicy | actually I think we could get away with charging $100 | 06:48 |
| zyga | back | 06:48 |
| Burgundavia | indeed | 06:48 |
| bluefoxicy | because it's not like "You installed Windows" | 06:48 |
| bluefoxicy | it's like | 06:48 |
| Burgundavia | we did few suse servers | 06:48 |
| zyga | bluefoxicy: can your allocator handle real world stuff? | 06:48 |
| bluefoxicy | "You installed Linux AND Gnome AND an office suite AND some games AND a bunch of shit AND media players AND system tools!" | 06:49 |
| bluefoxicy | that's like, $500 worth of work | 06:49 |
| zyga | bluefoxicy: (like could you run firefox with it) | 06:49 |
| bluefoxicy | a ton of software packages | 06:49 |
| Burgundavia | you installed an OS, not just windows | 06:49 |
| bluefoxicy | zyga: it dies running ls | 06:49 |
| zyga | bluefoxicy: mine too | 06:49 |
| bluefoxicy | zyga: it gets 3 heaps in and dies. | 06:49 |
| zyga | bluefoxicy: did you check what malloc actually does? | 06:49 |
| bluefoxicy | (my heaps hold 4M of allocs) | 06:49 |
| Amaranth | Burgundavia: No, you installed a distro. :) | 06:49 |
| bluefoxicy | zyga: no :) | 06:49 |
| zyga | bluefoxicy: apart from malloc and friends there's valloc and a couple of other quirky things | 06:50 |
| bluefoxicy | Burgundavia: Well, I should talk to my district manager about it. | 06:50 |
| zyga | bluefoxicy: also, do you run any logging stuff? | 06:50 |
| bluefoxicy | Linux is infinite stock because it's free, downloadable, burnable | 06:50 |
| zyga | bluefoxicy: any *printf | 06:50 |
| Amaranth | hey, HP is going to use a customized version of Ubuntu for their linux machines | 06:50 |
| bluefoxicy | and services are infinite stock because they're coming from your techs | 06:50 |
| bluefoxicy | zyga: that output is all from pritnf | 06:50 |
| Burgundavia | convinced my father to let me let his research students have Ubuntu on his old laptop | 06:50 |
| bluefoxicy | Burgundavia: but I got in because my aunt knows derek | 06:50 |
| Burgundavia | ah | 06:51 |
| bluefoxicy | the district manager | 06:51 |
| bluefoxicy | I got the INTERVIEW | 06:51 |
| bluefoxicy | but I had to actually survive the interview to get the job | 06:51 |
| bluefoxicy | I don't do the thing where people hand me shit for free. | 06:51 |
| zyga | bluefoxicy: printf suxx, calls malloc | 06:51 |
| zyga | bluefoxicy: almost anything calls malloc | 06:51 |
| bluefoxicy | zyga: wtf :o | 06:51 |
| Burgundavia | bluefoxicy, how old are you | 06:51 |
| bluefoxicy | Burgundavia: 19 | 06:51 |
| zyga | bluefoxicy: I've done my own _msgf that's simple enough and doesn't call anything besides write | 06:51 |
| Burgundavia | ah | 06:51 |
| bluefoxicy | Burgundavia: I'm still a businessman | 06:51 |
| zyga | bluefoxicy: really? | 06:52 |
| zyga | :> | 06:52 |
| bluefoxicy | zyga: really | 06:52 |
| bluefoxicy | zyga: not interested in girls though so save yourself the trouble of asking me out ;P | 06:52 |
| zyga | bluefoxicy: I'm not a girl :P | 06:52 |
| zyga | bluefoxicy: get real ;] | 06:52 |
| bluefoxicy | :O | 06:52 |
| zyga | hehe | 06:52 |
| bluefoxicy | but your name ends with an 'a' and like everyone online is spanish | 06:52 |
| bluefoxicy | well | 06:52 |
| ningo | wohoho a/s/l time in #ubuntu-devel ? | 06:52 |
| bluefoxicy | more of them are canadian than spanish | 06:52 |
| zyga | bluefoxicy: that's my problem | 06:52 |
| zyga | bluefoxicy: /whois zyga | 06:53 |
| zyga | (that doesn't sound like female, does it) | 06:53 |
| Amaranth | Most people think I'm female. | 06:53 |
| zyga | ningo: learn a new thing every day I guess ;-) | 06:53 |
| bluefoxicy | ah | 06:53 |
| zyga | bluefoxicy: anyway | 06:54 |
| zyga | bluefoxicy: could you try and run ls after #if 0ing all your printfs out/ | 06:54 |
| bluefoxicy | zyga: I'll just disable debug | 06:56 |
| bluefoxicy | zyga: but it'll still die. | 06:56 |
| zyga | bluefoxicy: did you run it via gdb? | 06:57 |
| bluefoxicy | no | 06:57 |
| zyga | bluefoxicy: I can actually run ls now | 06:57 |
| bluefoxicy | yeah it infinite loops. | 06:57 |
| bluefoxicy | zyga: really? | 06:57 |
| zyga | bluefoxicy: but my algorithm is so trivial it fails on real programs | 06:57 |
| zyga | bluefoxicy: in a few hours it should be usable enough to run firefox I hope | 06:57 |
| spo0nman | there is a usability bug in xchat ctrl - w closes a window but its too damn close to ctrl q which closes the application witout asking a question like "Do you want to close all tabs?" who to complain for a fix? | 06:58 |
| zyga | bluefoxicy: we could move to #malloc just to avoid all the extra noise | 06:58 |
| bluefoxicy | zyga: *shrug* heh | 06:58 |
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| leonel | hello ! firefox1.0.3 was released is there any patch for hoary's firefox 1.0.2 to fix the bugs 1.0.3 fixed ? | 07:16 |
| Amaranth | not yet | 07:16 |
| zyga | BTW: patch, cant we just use vanilla firefox code? | 07:17 |
| Amaranth | Not in hoary. | 07:17 |
| Burgundavia | if you look at the change logs for ubuntu 1.0.2, you see taht we already had most of the security patches in | 07:17 |
| zyga | good to know | 07:17 |
| zyga | perhaps you should call it firefox-1.0.2.1 then | 07:17 |
| Burgundavia | this happens each release | 07:19 |
| Burgundavia | the devs should just call it 1.0.3 to make the plebs happy | 07:19 |
| zyga | Burgundavia: if the'd call it 1.0.4 that would make ubuntu popular ;] | 07:19 |
| Burgundavia | lol | 07:19 |
| zyga | (har har har) | 07:19 |
| Burgundavia | I am quite serious though | 07:20 |
| zyga | I know | 07:20 |
| Burgundavia | they should bump the version number | 07:20 |
| zyga | bluefoxicy: what is your CPU? | 07:21 |
| leonel | so it's safe hoary's firefox 1.0.2 as safe as mozilla-firefox 1.0.3 | 07:23 |
| zyga | leonel: version number voodoo is still important | 07:23 |
| zyga | (debian stable has 0.2 because it's stable, har har ... wrong way to go) | 07:24 |
| leonel | zyga, yes or no would do | 07:24 |
| zyga | leonel: your statement was a question? I'm confused | 07:24 |
| leonel | so it's safe hoary's firefox 1.0.2 as safe as mozilla-firefox 1.0.3 ? | 07:24 |
| zyga | ah | 07:24 |
| zyga | leonel: in that case, from what I heard - yes | 07:24 |
| zyga | leonel: but you might want to ask for details | 07:25 |
| bluefoxicy | zyga: amd64 | 07:27 |
| leonel | yes is enough | 07:27 |
| leonel | thanks zyga | 07:27 |
| zyga | bluefoxicy: those pointers looked suspiciously long ;) | 07:27 |
| zyga | bluefoxicy: try using %p for pointers | 07:28 |
| bluefoxicy | 1 + 4 + 4 = 12 | 07:33 |
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| bluefoxicy | according to my program. | 07:33 |
| zyga | bluefoxicy: that is some truly fancy complex number math ;] | 07:34 |
| zyga | bluefoxicy: could you show a sample of your source code? | 07:34 |
| bluefoxicy | zyga: my struct minialloc is {char; size_t; miniheap*;} | 07:34 |
| zyga | bluefoxicy: is that a sizeof calculation? | 07:34 |
| zyga | hehe | 07:34 |
| zyga | bluefoxicy: read about alignment | 07:34 |
| zyga | :> | 07:34 |
| bluefoxicy | which is 1 (sizeof(char)), 4 (sizeof(size_t)), and 4 (pointer) | 07:34 |
| bluefoxicy | it's a structure | 07:34 |
| bluefoxicy | it's not allowed to bea ligned! | 07:34 |
| zyga | ...? | 07:35 |
| bluefoxicy | it's supposed to be structural :P | 07:35 |
| zyga | you got it wrong :P | 07:35 |
| zyga | repack that to size_t, void *, char | 07:35 |
| zyga | but read about alignment and structure padding | 07:35 |
| zyga | it works not the way you think it does apparently | 07:36 |
| bluefoxicy | heh | 07:36 |
| bluefoxicy | what the hell | 07:36 |
| bluefoxicy | extra strength tylenol took 5 minutes to kill my headache | 07:37 |
| Burgundavia | zyga, just posted to u-devel about it | 07:37 |
| zyga | Burgundavia: about firefox versioning? | 07:38 |
| Burgundavia | zyga, oui | 07:38 |
| zyga | Burgundavia: tres bien! | 07:38 |
| Burgundavia | basically saying bump the version numbers so we don't look bad | 07:38 |
| zyga | Burgundavia: ah, I thoght I convinced you to bump them to 1.0.4 ;-) | 07:39 |
| zyga | for a split second ;] | 07:39 |
| Burgundavia | IANAD | 07:39 |
| zyga | Burgundavia: well written | 07:40 |
| Burgundavia | thank you | 07:40 |
| Burgundavia | took about 4 drafts | 07:41 |
| bluefoxicy | how am I supposed to debug an allocator when my brain is feeling like it's getting fucked by a horse on and off | 07:48 |
| bluefoxicy | this officially sucks. | 07:48 |
| zyga | bluefoxicy: you may want to create #malloc-fucks-a-ho.... errr | 07:51 |
| zyga | bluefoxicy: you may want to rest for a moment | 07:51 |
| zyga | bluefoxicy: malloc is not going anywhere yet | 07:51 |
| zyga | (this is hardly ubuntu-devel topic) | 07:52 |
| bluefoxicy | does gdb work at all | 08:05 |
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| zyga | bluefoxicy: #malloc | 08:07 |
| Amaranth | sorry, was testing something | 08:07 |
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| jp | when will fixed libgnome-cil at breezy? since yesterday it's broken. | 08:15 |
| cartman | jp: report a bug | 08:19 |
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| jp | cartman sorry but that sucks =) | 08:28 |
| cartman | jp: well thats how it supposed to work | 08:28 |
| jp | well by, i'll use hoary, for more comodity | 08:29 |
| Amaranth | jp: sorry but you don't pay us :) | 08:29 |
| cartman | reminds me that I need to report a console-data bug | 08:29 |
| jp | Amaranth yep | 08:29 |
| jp | I know. That's is the bad part of open source | 08:29 |
| jp | well bye guys | 08:29 |
| cartman | it works :) | 08:29 |
| Amaranth | jp: That all your little issues aren't fixed on your command? | 08:29 |
| jp | btw thanks. | 08:29 |
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| jp | Amaranth ! | 08:30 |
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| Amaranth | :) | 08:30 |
| jp | well | 08:30 |
| jp | I only said that it sucks, 'cause tseng said me today it'll be ok, butit's broken, and it's a so used tool. | 08:31 |
| jp | that's. | 08:31 |
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| jnc | who you callin' a used tool there buddy | 08:31 |
| jp | mmm | 08:32 |
| Amaranth | hehe | 08:32 |
| jp | gtk-sharp | 08:32 |
| jp | don't you know it? | 08:32 |
| jp | 08:32 | |
| jnc | my butits are my own business | 08:32 |
| Amaranth | well, you're using a devel version of a distro you get for free, things don't always work and all you can do is file a bug report so people know something is wrong | 08:32 |
| jp | ok | 08:32 |
| Amaranth | oh, and pray for a fix, if you want :) | 08:33 |
| jnc | well said Amaranth | 08:33 |
| leonel | Any plans to make an Ubuntu Distro as Kubuntu But only with Server Packages ? | 08:33 |
| jp | Amaranth that's I was waiting for today =) | 08:33 |
| jp | jeje | 08:33 |
| jp | well i'll use hoary, and problem solved. | 08:33 |
| jp | thanks btw | 08:33 |
| Mithrandir | jp: you're free to purchase a support contract from Canonical and we'll see what we can do to solve your problems | 08:34 |
| jnc | leonel: kind of defeats the point of Kubuntu does it not? | 08:34 |
| Mithrandir | (or from some other company offering support contracts, obviously.) | 08:34 |
| leonel | jnc, ubuntu gnome centric kubuntu kde centric i mean a Subuntu ? Server Centric | 08:34 |
| jp | Mithrandir I'm not saying that, I'm only asking about a problem that bust be solved for today. | 08:34 |
| Mithrandir | leonel: just boot the system with "server" when installing. | 08:34 |
| jp | must* | 08:35 |
| leonel | jnc, no X no gnome no kde just server packages | 08:35 |
| jnc | leonel: there's a server option on Ubuntu Hoary install | 08:35 |
| zyga | Amaranth: jc can do far more | 08:35 |
| Mithrandir | jp: "must be solved" sounds a lot like "I need a support contract" to me. :) | 08:35 |
| zyga | Amaranth: he can fix it him/her self and provide a patch | 08:35 |
| leonel | Mithrandir, I know but there's many packages for server on universan not suitable for producction | 08:35 |
| Mithrandir | jp: (or "I'll solve this myself") | 08:35 |
| jnc | leonel: really though, i personally run a straight debian install when i'm doing server stuffs | 08:35 |
| jp | mmm | 08:35 |
| zyga | Amaranth: that will be greeted far better then 'it's borken ... arghh' | 08:35 |
| Mithrandir | leonel: what has universe to do with this? | 08:36 |
| leonel | jnc, I have debian but woody is so old that I need new packages and sarge has no security support yet | 08:36 |
| Amaranth | universe it totally unsupported | 08:36 |
| Amaranth | it's a "take it or leave it, good luck" kind of thing there | 08:36 |
| jp | Mithrandir it's not. I'm only trying to say that it's a bug with libgnome-cil :@ | 08:36 |
| leonel | Mithrandir, universe is not supported so not suitable for producction | 08:36 |
| jnc | leonel: watch bug traq and run sarge | 08:36 |
| jp | leonel it's true. | 08:36 |
| Mithrandir | leonel: I've been a ubuntu developer since last August, I know what universe means. :) | 08:37 |
| jp | libgnome-cil is at universe Mithrandir | 08:37 |
| Burgundavia | Mithrandir, lol | 08:37 |
| jp | hahahaha | 08:37 |
| leonel | jnc, not an option | 08:37 |
| Mithrandir | jp: there are two discussions here, one is the server one, one is the libgnome-cil problem you're having. | 08:37 |
| jnc | leonel: what exactly do you need this for anyways | 08:37 |
| jp | Mithrandir ok, libgnome-ci don't have official support, tseng know things about that package. | 08:38 |
| jp | Mithrandir ok, libgnome-ci don't have official support, tseng knows things about that package. | 08:38 |
| Mithrandir | leonel: there's a lot of server packages in main. | 08:38 |
| leonel | jnc, more server packages that could go instead X Gnome / Kde | 08:38 |
| jnc | leonel: is this for your job or for fun? | 08:38 |
| leonel | jnc, job | 08:38 |
| Mithrandir | jp: yeah, but he might very well be on a plane to .au now, as he's coming for UDU | 08:38 |
| jnc | leonel: so uh... get a redhat support contract | 08:39 |
| jnc | or one from canocial | 08:39 |
| jnc | (spelling leaves something to be desired) | 08:39 |
| leonel | jnc, jejeje Centos works fine but I'd like Ubuntu | 08:39 |
| Mithrandir | leonel: which server packages are you missing? | 08:39 |
| jp | Mithrandir mmm so you're saying I have to pay canonical support for it? for breezy? LOL | 08:39 |
| jnc | I'd like 50 hours in a day and grass that grows to a perfect height always green | 08:40 |
| jnc | we're getting there through the marvel of science and hard work | 08:40 |
| leonel | Mithrandir, libdbd-pg-perl | 08:40 |
| jnc | it's going to take a while and some money | 08:40 |
| leonel | among others | 08:40 |
| jp | well there's no solution for libgnome-cil :( | 08:40 |
| Mithrandir | jp: no, I'm not saying that, I'm saying that if you want to have any kind of guarantees (or something like that) for timely fixes, you should purchase a support contract. Apart from that, it'll all be best-effort | 08:41 |
| Mithrandir | leonel: propose it for the supportedseed for breezy, then | 08:41 |
| zyga | jp: it's not that anyone WANTS it broken ;) | 08:41 |
| jp | haha | 08:41 |
| jp | :) | 08:41 |
| jnc | if you got time to complain, you have time to fix the darn thing | 08:41 |
| leonel | Mithrandir, thanks let me make my list :) | 08:41 |
| Mithrandir | jp: but then , breezy is pretty shaky right now, so you basically shouldn't be running it on non-development systems. But you've already discovered that. :) | 08:42 |
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| jnc | Hoary isn't even feature complete on all archs | 08:43 |
| jp | Mithrandir yep, I'm using it 'cause it has gnome 2.10.1, i'm not a developer... | 08:43 |
| jp | I'm gonna use hoary =) | 08:43 |
| jp | bye | 08:44 |
| jnc | gnome 2.4.x is perfectly usable | 08:44 |
| Mithrandir | jp, see you around | 08:44 |
| jp | bye Mithrandir | 08:44 |
| jnc | hm. | 08:44 |
| jnc | is Ubuntu even designed with server applications in mind? | 08:45 |
| Amaranth | that's funny, libgnome-cil is working fine here | 08:45 |
| Amaranth | what's wrong with it for you? | 08:45 |
| jnc | which arch | 08:45 |
| Amaranth | x86 | 08:46 |
| jnc | i.e maybe it works on foo but not bar | 08:46 |
| Mithrandir | jnc: it would be slightly more useful if you said what was missing or broken rather than just complaining | 08:46 |
| jnc | Mithrandir: oh yeah i was here before release filing bugs etc. | 08:47 |
| jnc | i don't have the # handy but you can search for "openoffice won't print amd64" something like that i believe | 08:47 |
| jnc | the title was originally different for the bug report | 08:48 |
| Mithrandir | yeah, I know about that one. | 08:48 |
| Mithrandir | I just didn't get around to fixing it. | 08:48 |
| jnc | I would submit a fix, it's a simple matter that I have no clue for what OpenOffice does. I usually pick smaller pieces of cake to consume | 08:48 |
| Mithrandir | I know what the fix is, it's just that OOo is big and scary and makes me want to cry. ;) | 08:49 |
| jnc | it used to work when i first installed Hoary preview, then after some update between then and now it ceased to function | 08:51 |
| jnc | exactly, sir | 08:51 |
| jnc | is there an LD_PRELOAD= workaround or something I could do? would be nice as i'm attempting to use that hardware for an office computer | 08:51 |
| Mithrandir | I can try to provide a backported fix when I get back home, but there's no way I'm going to do that with a second latency to my home systems. :) | 08:52 |
| jnc | backported... from breezy? | 08:53 |
| jnc | if it's fixed in breezy, i mean shoot at least i can update that bug | 08:53 |
| Mithrandir | no, it's not fixed yet | 08:53 |
| Mithrandir | but I can provide hoary packages once I've fixed it in breezy | 08:54 |
| jnc | oh okay. it would be much appreciated | 08:54 |
| jnc | FYI you'll see me complain on occasion I do submit fixes too | 08:54 |
| jnc | electric sheep screensaver configuration is one | 08:55 |
| jnc | it looks spectacular on a flatscreen lcd | 08:55 |
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| Mithrandir | jnc: just a bit tired after I slept shitty this night. | 08:55 |
| Mithrandir | I should really try to get a few hours more | 08:56 |
| jnc | same here | 08:56 |
| jnc | isn't it just awful when ya don't sleep 6+ hours at least? | 08:56 |
| Mithrandir | the problem right now is I'm at LCA which means my timezone is eight hours off, I'm not home, I miss my fiancee and am developing conference cough-sickness. | 08:56 |
| Mithrandir | but it's fun, so I'm not complaining. | 08:57 |
| Mithrandir | it's just that I get a bit grumpy | 08:57 |
| jnc | understood | 08:57 |
| Burgundavia | Mithrandir, have you read my post to u-devel regarding ff numbering | 09:01 |
| Mithrandir | not really, but it's thom and not me who maintains ff | 09:02 |
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| Burgundavia | is thom about? | 09:02 |
| Mithrandir | probably not atm; it's 05:02 in the morning here | 09:02 |
| Mithrandir | in four hours or so, he should be | 09:02 |
| Mithrandir | I'm off for a bit more sleep | 09:03 |
| Burgundavia | ah | 09:03 |
| Burgundavia | ok | 09:03 |
| Burgundavia | timezones mess me up | 09:03 |
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| fgx | hi devs. do you think hoary's php version wil be updated after the getimagesize() bug discovered today? | 09:55 |
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| zyga | fgx: devs are away ATM | 10:11 |
| \sh | devs are all down under | 10:12 |
| \sh | down, under water, or in australia *eg* | 10:12 |
| fgx | zyga, ok, thx | 10:14 |
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| bluefoxicy | i'm going to class. GPS doesn't work, but I don't use IDEs anyway. | 11:20 |
| zyga | bluefoxicy: GPS and IDE have what in common? | 11:20 |
| bluefoxicy | zyga: uhhhhhhhh. . . | 11:21 |
| bluefoxicy | http://libre.adacore.com/gps/ | 11:21 |
| zyga | global positioning system ;] | 11:21 |
| bluefoxicy | i'm installing it on xp anyway | 11:22 |
| bluefoxicy | I have XP on my laptop and only boot into it to install and configure open source software on windows | 11:23 |
| bluefoxicy | so that when peoeple talk to me about linux and open source software | 11:23 |
| bluefoxicy | I can be like | 11:23 |
| bluefoxicy | *whips out big dcache of free software on windows* | 11:23 |
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| zyga | bluefoxicy: I cannot stand working on windows | 11:54 |
| zyga | bluefoxicy: when 80% of my time is spent in the shell and 20% in the browser windows is very unplesant | 11:54 |
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