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schweeb\sh: ew kmail. my hate for that is for purely different reasons than evo (mostly I refuse to install Qt)12:00
\shschweeb: well..then only one solution left: thunderbird ;)12:02
=== \sh has other problems then to decide which mail client to use ,)
bob2eddyp: malone is both12:04
eddypumkay12:04
schweeb\sh: yes, that is what I use :)12:04
\shbob2: malone is far away from being a bugzilla replacement, but it's a good beginning for non-bugzilla noobs ;)12:06
bob2meh12:06
eddypbob2: will malone be open source?12:07
eddypi am thinking that if it is better than bugzilla, then it would be a nice tool12:07
schweebI believe it'll be closed source12:08
schweeblike Rosetta is12:08
eddypI was wondering about this... why is that?12:08
schweebcause it's one of the things that Canonical has decided to make its profit off of, most likely12:09
eddypand they use ubuntu as a test bench at the same time12:10
eddypnice idea12:10
eddypand smart12:10
seb128tseng, evo has really some issue ?12:10
tsengseb128: yep12:11
seb128and detail ?12:11
seb128s/and/any/12:11
tsengThe following packages have unmet dependencies:12:11
tseng  evolution: Depends: libcamel1.2-3 (>= 1.2.2) but it is not going to be installed12:11
tseng             Depends: evolution-data-server (>= 1.2.1) but it is not going to be installed12:11
tsengeddyp: Broken packages12:11
seb128doesn't help a lot12:11
seb128do you why/how it's broken, how to fix it ?12:11
tsengwel, everything else is built with libcamel1.2-012:11
seb128"everything else" ?12:12
eddyptseng: errr, what?12:12
tsengc-l-a, gnomemeeting, libebook12:12
eddypautocompetion does not work in this manner12:12
eddyp:)12:12
tsenglibedata-book1.2-2, libdataserverui1.2, nautilus-sendto12:13
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seb128hum12:13
tsengi *think* libcamel1.2-3 got synced from sid12:13
seb128feel free to fix it i you want, or I'll fix that within 1 or 2 weeks12:13
tsengand broke it all12:13
tsengill bring up mutt and see if its in b-changes12:14
Keybukyeah12:14
Keybukevolution-data-server1.2 got synced from sid12:14
Keybukand overwrote our evolution-data-server (note no 1.2) packages12:14
seb128fuck12:14
Keybukneeds another e-d-s upload to put it back12:14
seb128I pinged elmo saturday about this but got no reply, I get that's not the right week to ping somebody :p12:15
seb128-1 was ftbfsing on saturday12:15
Keybukindeed12:15
tsengim not sure if i am in keyring, but im almost certain I cant upload to main12:15
tsengany takers?12:15
Keybuknext week is non-hacking as well12:15
seb128right, but if I've the bandwith I can do one upload12:16
KeybukI _think_ that uploading an evolution-data-server 1.2.2-2ubuntu1 package would suffive12:17
Keybukeven if it's just 1ubuntu1 with the version number changed12:17
seb128I think so12:17
seb128I put the version to 1ubuntu1 instead of 0ubuntu1 for this reason on the previous one12:17
Keybukit's not hugely urgent though12:17
Keybukit's an impossible upgrade, so the worst people can do without trying hard is have the slightly older evo packages12:17
tsengyeah i was just joking about it, i assumed you were aware of the situation12:18
seb128nop, some people put a useless bugzilla bug12:18
seb128ie: they managed to put 10 comments without any one useful to understand the bug12:18
tsengwell, you understand it now :)12:19
seb128and we have a 3ko/s download or something like that here12:19
tsengugh.12:19
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|QuaD-tseng: how is mono 1.1.x/beagle in breezy coming along?12:24
tsengfine.12:25
|QuaD-do you have an eta?12:25
tsengafter UDU12:25
|QuaD-is it finnished and you are just waiting?12:26
tsengyes12:26
tsengmostly.12:26
|QuaD-heh, ok :(12:26
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ogramorning pitti 12:28
tsenghi ogra 12:28
pittiHey everybody12:28
tsenghi pitti.12:28
ograhey tseng12:28
seb128morning pitti 12:28
zygahello pitti 12:28
amu-moin pitti12:28
pittiHey seb128, long time no see12:28
seb128right :)12:29
ograpitti, you dont look under your bed to often, eh 12:29
ogra?12:29
\shogra: have a nice day down under :) don't eat to many kangas ;)12:30
ograheh... havent even seen one yet :)12:30
tsengwo ist herr holbach? :P12:31
\shogra: well, they're frightend because of you :) a german with long hair ... no ways, lets get a move on ;)12:31
ogratseng, they are buying washing powder....12:31
tsengget the linux brand12:32
\shthey have "plus" there?12:32
ogra\sh, no, i think they fear me because i dont wear that nifty crocodile dundee hat12:32
\shhehehe12:32
\shogra: i have one..why didn't you ask for it ;)12:32
ogra\sh, they are not to expensive, so i can have my own one :)12:33
\sh*grmpf* again harddrive broken at netapp-orastore12:35
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\shtime to sleep...12:35
\shg'night gentlemen :)12:36
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zygaargh12:38
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pittizyga: what should it use instead?12:43
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jcoleKamion: i've gotten further... it appears that the adduser .deb is needed... is there a way to get the list of debs i need to copy back :)12:51
Kamionjcole: not really. look in /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts/hoary for a start, but you'll need more than that.12:54
Kamionjcole: http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/germinate-output/hoary/base might be a useful start to12:54
Kamioner, too12:54
jcolethanks again Kamion, i'll do some more homework before bugging you again... when i figure this out, i'll be sure to post up a how to12:57
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crbHi.12:59
crbCan anyone shed any light on why the kernel package in hoary is versioned 2.6.10-7 and the modules, 2.6.10-5 ?12:59
Kamioncrb: the latter is the module ABI01:00
Kamioncrb: every time binary module compatibility breaks, the number that's currently 5 is incremented01:00
Kamioncrb: the former is simply the package version, incremented on every upload01:00
Kamionalthough actually I don't know where you got 2.6.10-7 ...01:01
crbI'm sure it was -7 somewhere, let me look..01:01
crblinux-image-386_2.6.10-7_i386.deb01:02
Kamionoh, that's a metapackage; again, that's just the package version01:02
Kamionlinux-image-386 is just there to depend on the current linux-image-*-386 (currently linux-image-2.6.10-5-386)01:02
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crbI'm remastering a hoary CD with preseed and some universe packages I want on it (I've removed all the packages that ubuntu-desktop depends on)01:03
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Lathiat~>01:03
crbmy pool still contains all the right files, but for some reason I can't install linux-image-386 any more so the installer is falling over.01:03
Kamionmake sure you have all linux-* packages from the original CD01:03
crbAnd it's obviously not the versioning. :)01:03
dholbachhai01:03
Kamionlinux-386 is the one used by default ...01:04
crbI was pretty sure I did.. there's nothing special in the Packages file that dpkg-scanpackages won't generate for me?01:04
Kamion(or should be, anyway; base-installer is finicky)01:04
Kamioncrb: (a) you probably want to use apt-ftparchive nowadays instead, (b) Task: headers01:04
crbI'm skipping tasksel so I'm less worried about those01:05
Kamionwe don't use tasksel either01:05
crbthe installer is trying to install linux-386 and failing because l-i-386 is not installable and l-r-m-386 is not going to be installed.  Yet all of the packages are in the pool and in the right place...01:06
Kamionthey're used by archive-copier and base-config. however if you aren't installing the desktop and don't care about preserving the "CD used only in first stage of install" thing then Task: headers probably won't be necessary01:06
Kamiondid you keep all the dependencies of those? they're not all linux-*01:07
Kamionparticularly in the case of l-r-m01:07
crbI'm reasonably sure I did, but I might have missed something01:07
Kamionfailing that, try 'chroot /target apt-get install linux-386' and start drilling down by hand01:07
Kamionas in, try each package in turn until you get a useful error01:08
crbthere are a couple of packages that caused me grief; I removed everything that ubuntu-desktop dragged in, and it ended up removing libsasl2 and lsb-* for some reason01:08
crbI'm doing that already; the errors aren't that useful :(01:08
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crbjust 'couldn't find packages' for those packages01:09
crbbut they're there, on the CD, same place...01:09
Kamionapt-get doesn't look through the pool itself; it uses the Packages indices01:09
Kamionit won't matter a dime whether they're actually on the CD if they're missing from Packages01:09
crbI checked the Packages indices for the files, and they were actually there01:09
Kamionok01:10
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Kamionmight also be worth checking whether /target/etc/apt/sources.list got set up correctly01:11
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crbyou at linux.conf.au?01:11
crbaha - Packages.gz MD5SUM mismatch01:12
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dholbachdo we have a page stating when people will be in sydney?01:18
dholbachhey lamont 01:19
dholbachlamont: when will you be here? sunday?01:19
lamontdholbach: I arrive at 6AM saturday, for a day of running around sydney before I'm supposed to be tehre01:20
dholbachlamont: cool01:20
dholbachlamont: we can show you the nice spots ;-)01:20
lamontheh01:20
lamontcoolness01:20
dholbachhrm... need to get back to the power supply01:20
dholbachsydney really rocks#01:21
crbI hope you're all looking forward to coming to New Zealand for lca next year :)01:22
infinitylca in .nz?... But.. But.. That would be lcnz...01:23
infinity<head explodes>01:23
luis_I'm totally looking forward to lcanz01:24
HrdwrBoBlcapr01:24
HrdwrBoBnow in papua new guinea01:24
millilamont: Bandwidth available for a few hours01:28
lamontmilli: hrm...  doing ok here I think,..01:31
lamontor was that a dinner invite?01:31
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alex_gdo you plan an update from evolution 2.2.1.1 to 2.2.2?01:35
lamontalex_g: bug #9693 at bugilla.ubuntu.com01:37
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lamontelmo: quik-installer is unknown, and not actually in main.01:39
jdubahr01:47
dholbachjdub01:47
tsengyar01:47
tsengits a dub!01:47
alex_gok01:47
dholbachjdub: when we're going to have a beer?01:48
dholbachjdub: or aren't you in sydney atm? probably not...01:49
dholbachnevermind me01:49
jdubdholbach: heh, no, in canberra atm01:51
jdubdholbach: i will see you on sunday or monday :)01:51
dholbachjdub: cool, i'm sure we all need some "warming up" for UDU, in the one way or the other :-)01:53
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crbhmmm02:13
crbremove the MD5SUMS from the Release file in dists/ and the installer complains about not finding the other Packages[,.gz]  files02:14
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bluefoxicyzyga:  yo02:19
bluefoxicyevidently my allocator almost but not quite works ;)02:19
bluefoxicy(it's generating negative-sized allocations)02:19
blahrusis ac3 still broken in mplayer?02:23
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zulhey dholbach 02:27
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dholbachhey zul 02:32
zulhow is it going?02:32
dholbachzul: very nice... brainstorming with seb12802:33
zulcool02:33
dholbachzul: you'll be here in sydney?02:34
zulnope...unforutnately maybe the next one02:34
dholbachoh, i'm sorry :-/02:35
zulbesides my wife would whine forever if she couldnt go :)02:35
dholbachah... i understand02:35
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infinitypitti : still enjoying Sydney, or are you sick of it already?02:38
pittiinfinity: it's a bit rainy today, time for preparing some BoFs and writing some postcards :-) But it's fine, there are still things I want to do here02:39
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Kamioncrb: LCA> yeah02:51
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Kamioncrb: you have to update the md5sums/sizes in Release, and then figure out what to do about Release.gpg02:51
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Kamionreplacing the ubuntu-keyring package with one that includes your key is an option :) we're going to talk at UDU about how to make this less gratuitously painful02:52
lamontKamion: and "what to do about Release.gpg" is to generate a new key, and add that to the ubuntu-keyring package, which you also update, and iterate...02:52
lamontKamion: actually... if memory serves, there are other ways to abuse it much nicer...02:54
Kamionlamont: what to do about it> making apt just get a grip and not care about authentication on CDs is my preferred option :)02:55
lamontISTR that my custom dvd this time around, I left the root tree alone, added an /extras/ directory, and just dropped a complete archive under that (which had an updateded ubuntu-keying, etc)02:55
Kamionas in, not care if it's missing altogether02:55
lamontsince the installer looks for all the Packages files on the CD, you get the new stuff, and I didn't have to pollute the actual release tree02:55
lamontof course, cd-checker probably doesn't like that too much02:56
Kamionshouldn't think it'd care02:57
lamonteven better... /me didn't check02:59
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lamont66841151728a06f92d0b8dd2ed317a29  egenix-mx-base_2.0.6.orig.tar.gz03:00
lamont6989793b7cb6b577be9ebfdd554884ac egenix-mx-base_2.0.6.orig.tar.gz03:00
lamonthrm.... what's wrong with that picture03:00
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seb128elmo, around ?03:02
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dholbachhey seb128 03:11
seb128dholbach, nice to see you again03:12
lamontmdz: around?03:17
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jpwhere have I to go to report a broken package?03:17
lamontjp: universe or main?03:18
jpuniverse03:18
jplibgnome-cil (gtk-sharp)03:19
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jpok =)03:19
jpI was trying to get libgnome-cil but: libgnome-cil: depends of: libgda2-1 (>= 1.1.99) but it's not installable03:19
jpjeje =)03:19
lamontalthough the question is actually off-topic for here (it's on-topic for #ubuntu)03:20
jpyep I know03:20
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dholbachjp: you might ask tseng for mono stuff03:20
jpbut I knot too it's a error, I know the package is broken 'cause I've installed it before without problems03:20
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jpdholbach ok thanks =03:20
jpdholbach ok thanks =P03:20
lamontdholbach: I was thinking more generically - where does one report universe bugs these days?/03:20
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lamontaha! mdz_ is here03:21
thomlamont: malone03:21
jpmdz_ libgnome-cil is broken =(03:21
lamontjp: my aha was totally unrelated to your item03:21
jpoh sorry03:22
jp:(03:22
jptseng I was trying to get libgnome-cil but: libgnome-cil: depends of: libgda2-1 (>= 1.1.99) but it's not installable03:22
jpxD03:22
lamontmdz_: you really here, or just being bouncy-bouncy?03:22
seb128people, just wait for breezy breakage stuff03:22
seb128that's going to be fixed but not now03:23
jpseb128 ok03:23
thomseb128: *g*, how's sydney?03:23
jpbut I tried the hoary libgnome-cil too03:23
jpand it gets the same error..03:23
seb128crappy weather, out of this that rocks :)03:23
lamontseb128: fwiw, I'm hoping to finish filing bugs on all the breezy ftbfs stuff todate03:24
lamontsometime before I sleep03:24
seb128I mean when you don't get hurt by the sun it rains :p03:24
jp!03:24
tsengjp: after udu03:24
thomseb128: *giggle*03:24
tsengjp: breezy is broken for now, we're all dealing03:24
dholbachand their local beer (VB) is soooo good03:25
seb128lamont, no hurry, I'll not fix any package this week03:25
jpso tseng thanks :(03:25
lamontseb128: yeah - but I want a reasonably clean slate before I get on the plane tomorrow03:25
seb128right03:25
seb128I've only 600 bugs on my list03:25
seb128some 50 new should not change a lot *g*03:26
thomdholbach: i *really* hope you're joking03:26
Kamionat least I'm not top of the list of bug assignees ;)03:26
dholbachthom: why?03:26
Kamiona friend of mine actually likes VB *boggle*03:26
thomdholbach: you *like* VB?03:26
seb128german guys have no taste at all03:26
dholbachthom: you're used to wrong sort of beer ;-)03:27
bob2even .auians know vb is bad03:27
lamontKamion: who is? /me bets seb128 (well, ignoring debzilla@, that is)(03:27
seb128thom, they are just german, don't be that rude with them03:27
bob2I'll have to find some coopers heritage for you03:27
dholbachyes, thom, i do :-)03:27
thomdholbach: dude, vb is not beer, it's water with some added alcohol03:27
Kamionlamont: no idea :)03:27
crbKamion: having to sign Release.gpg sounds like altogether too much work.  Can't we just have the installer ignore signing? ;)03:27
Kamionlamont: although I'd bet the same03:27
Kamioncrb: that's what I said ...03:27
dholbachhrm, i'm open for suggestions :-)03:27
crbyeah03:27
Kamion01:55 < Kamion> lamont: what to do about it> making apt just get a grip and not care about authentication on CDs is my preferred option :)03:28
Kamionit's not the installer's fault03:28
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infinitySomeone likes VB?03:41
lamontseb128: gonna just fix gtk-doc for you, since it's trivial03:41
danielsinfinity: lies.03:41
lamontKamion: agreed03:42
infinitydaniels : dholbach claims he does.  <points>03:42
seb128lamont, thanls03:42
seb128thanks even03:42
dholbachpitti, mvo, ogra, doko, riddell, amu: back me up :-)03:42
seb128can anybody drop e-d-s1.2 from the archive ?03:42
infinitydholbach : You mean, there are SEVERAL people who like VB?03:42
infinitydaniels, thom : Time to fork the company.03:43
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dholbachsissies :-)03:43
lamontseb128: is the old 'jade needs to be before docbook-dsssl in build-deps' thing03:43
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tsenglamont: nope.03:44
lamonttseng: ??03:44
tsengeds got pulled in from sid03:44
tsengit doesnt belond03:44
tsengs/d/g03:44
lamonttseng: right... and my comment was on gtk-doc's ftbfs...03:45
danielsok, you guys can all drink VB03:45
danielsjust don't force it upon us :P03:45
tsenglamont: missed that03:45
tsengsleep time03:45
lamontdaniels: and here I was starting to be afraid that they meant visual basic03:45
dholbachdaniels: what do you suggest? :-)03:45
infinitylamont : Almost as vile.03:45
dholbachlamont: hahahaah03:45
lamontinfinity: the so-called language is almost as vile, or the drink is?03:46
danielsdholbach: coopers pale ale, james squire porter, james squire golden ale, emersons chocolate stout, coopers heritage03:46
crblamont: thanks for your idea re extras, I think I'll do that03:46
danielspretty much anything else except tooheys new or anything with 'light' in the name03:46
crbwill cause far less pain down the track03:46
danielsoh, an beez neez too03:46
bob2boags STRONG ARM03:46
dholbachdaniels: ahhhh ok - we have the drink store like 10 meters from here :-)03:47
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schweebhi dholbach03:47
infinity<snicker>03:47
danielsinfinity: oh man.03:47
dholbachhey schweeb 03:48
schweebsee you're planning on getting properly sloshed tonight, hehe03:48
danielsbob2: boags original bitter (in the tubes) is actually very good.  garish yellow tubes.03:48
lamontinfinity: are you doing the modutils merge?03:48
infinitylamont : Unless you want it..03:48
infinitylamont : it's on my TODO this afternoon.03:48
lamontmore power to you...03:48
lamontotherwise, since it's my package in debian... :-)03:49
dholbachwhat a nice version number: 20040816.BlameClockworkOrange-auto.3-103:49
lamontmind you, 'tis better for someone with a 2.4 kernel to actually do the work... :-)03:49
infinitylamont : Oh, if you're upstream, then take it. :)03:49
lamontinfinity: I have no 2.4 kernel boxen atm03:49
infinitylamont : I can't have a 2.4 kernel anymore, since jbailey screwed me. :)03:49
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lamontinfinity: I'll go ahead and take it then03:50
infinitylamont : (I run on PowerPC, glibc 2.3.5 on PPC doesn't support linux_threads, no more 2.4 for me)03:50
lamontheh03:50
lamontI guess I can see if the i386 box I have will actually boot a 2.4 kernel from universe03:50
infinitylamont : Just remember to reassign it to yourself, so I don't complete forgot this conversation in 2 hours and do it anyway. :)03:50
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infinitys/complete/completely/03:51
infinitys/forgot/forget/ too.  Gah.  I'm turning Japanese.03:51
lamontdaniels: you want a bug for l-r-m hating gcc-4.0, or you gonna just have fixed it already./03:51
lamont?03:51
lamontinfinity: reassigned03:52
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bluefoxicycan somebody fix my shit?  :/03:52
bob2bluefoxicy: no03:52
bluefoxicyapparently the code I wrote for managing miniallocs has been producing allocations of negative size03:52
bluefoxicyoh03:53
bluefoxicyand Xine segfaults on amd6403:53
bluefoxicyI used to get around this by disabling the enforcement of PROT_EXEC when I used a pax kernel03:53
bluefoxicy(paxctl is nice)03:53
bluefoxicyso like, somebody from universe should look into fixing xine-lib03:54
bluefoxicysince it's infinitely better with video than the choppy ass gstreamer0.8 crap that jerks and renders poorly and freezes if you seek more than 3 times03:54
danielslamont: i'll take the bug, yo03:54
bluefoxicy(i.e. totem)03:54
bluefoxicydaniels:  how goes, anything sweet coming up for xorg?03:55
lamontdaniels: 998403:56
schweebbluefoxicy: does it work with the debian xine-lib?  cause breezy is synced now, afaik...03:56
bluefoxicyschweeb:  not sure.03:56
bluefoxicyI need a source of massive income.03:56
schweebthat'd be a good place to start03:56
bluefoxicyif I had $200 to blow, I'd put out a bounty on like, a driver for my broadcom card in my laptop03:56
schweebif it was fixed in the sync, it's probably not worth your while to complain about it03:57
danielsbluefoxicy: i'm really enjoying my one-week holiday :P03:57
bluefoxicyschweeb:  i'll try.03:57
bluefoxicydaniels:  heh.03:57
danielsworking on xorg upstream, as it happens03:57
bluefoxicydaniels:  heh.  So is there a hardware nvidia dri driver now with hardware 3D and a kernel driver?03:58
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bluefoxicyIt even crashes under DEP on Windows on amd64, much less PaX on Linux03:59
danielsi have no specs from nvidia.  they maintain the 'open source' driver as well as the proprietary one; i have no insight into them.03:59
bluefoxicydaniels:  so put a logic analyzer in the kernel?  :P04:00
mdz_lamont: I'm sort of half-here04:01
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lamontmdz_: is it better for me to have you sync a debian bug, or just file one and add the alias to snarf everything?04:03
danielsbluefoxicy: too complex04:03
danielsalso not worth it for a vendor that will only go more and more closed04:03
danielsthey're not going to say 'oh well, someone's got it half-figured out, might as well release our driver'04:03
danielsbearing in mind that the r300.sf.net guys were working from the r200 source and also have 2d docs for r30004:04
bluefoxicyschweeb:  no updated xine-lib in breezy04:05
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bluefoxicywhat's after breezy?  RaunchyRacoon?  FurryFox?04:07
lamontcheerful crow, just for Kamion 04:08
lamontchipper crow?04:08
crbcounted crow04:09
bob2bitter bear.04:09
schweebcurious cat04:11
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infinitybrilliant bikeshed04:12
schweebI hate cats though, I might have to skip a release if we named it something like that :p04:12
infinitySure, a bikeshed isn't an animal, but I think it makes a statement. :)04:12
schweebhrm04:13
bluefoxicyI like kitties04:13
schweebI just had a lightbulb turn on04:13
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schweebwe have the porn backgrounds, why not have porn release names :P04:13
bluefoxicythe backgrounds should be furries :p04:14
schweeb"raunchy randi" or something hehe04:14
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bluefoxicyactually04:14
=== bluefoxicy knows tons of furry artists
schweebthat's disturbing.04:15
bluefoxicymaybe I can get some to sketch me backgrounds04:15
bluefoxicyand I can color them04:15
bluefoxicyschweeb:  there's more disturbing things.04:16
bob2not many04:16
bluefoxicyhey you're the one with the distro named all after personified animals04:17
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schweebI liked grumpy groundhog :)04:18
schweebI'm a grumpy person myself04:18
schweebso it would have fit quite well04:18
dholbachschweeb: oh no... you're not04:18
schweebdholbach: oh, I am, with stupid people.  Luckily most of the people around here aren't so. But the few who are know who they are.... /me glares at them04:20
bluefoxicyi'm constantly surrounded by stupidity.04:20
bluefoxicyI work in retail.04:20
schweebI've got you beat, I work in the financial industry.04:20
schweeb(for one more week, at least)04:21
HrdwrBoBha.04:21
HrdwrBoBI work in government.04:21
schweebWINNER04:21
HrdwrBoB:)04:21
schweebalthough, financial stuff has to be a close second ;)04:21
schweebdholbach: passed my bg check and everything, start my new job next friday!04:22
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dholbachschweeb: woohoo :-)04:23
dholbachogra: done04:25
ogradholbach, great :)04:26
bluefoxicyhttp://rafb.net/paste/results/lcaHUV32.html  :/04:28
bluefoxicydebugging data from my allocator, I'm making negative allocations.04:28
lamontbob2: the collective noun for crows is 'murder'04:29
A_Alamcan some please help me, where i can add my langauge to ubuntu5.x?04:34
pittiA_Alam: you mean desktop translations?04:35
pittiA_Alam: the easiest method is to just start to translate applications on Rosetta04:35
A_Alampitti, for liveCD, i want to boot in my lang04:35
pittiA_Alam: -> #ubuntu, please04:36
A_Alamdesktop i m using Rosetta04:36
A_Alampitti, thanks04:36
pittiA_Alam: can you please file a bug against debian-installer about adding Punjabi to the list of langs?04:43
A_Alamk,04:44
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pittiajmitch: ping04:56
pittitseng: ping04:57
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pittiHi fabbione 05:07
pittifabbione: don't mind going to sleep?05:07
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dholbachsee you later05:10
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fabbionemorning05:19
=== Mithrandir kicks perl in the nuts
schweebguess it's about time for me to go to bed, fabbione's up :)05:21
Mithrandirheh :P05:21
schweeb<3 perl though05:22
fabbioneeheh05:22
ograhey fabbione 05:22
Mithrandirit's just so broken; perl includes a config.h file.05:22
ograheh05:23
fabbionehey ogra05:25
lamontdaniels: I tossed 9997 at you, hope you don't mind... :))05:27
danielslamont: libxss-dev, yo05:28
fabbionelamont: did you start filing FTBFS bugs around?05:32
infinityfabbione : Yes, there are a few.05:34
lamontBug 10000 has been added to the database05:35
lamontfabbione: yes05:35
fabbioneinfinity: i have a few tons on sparc :)05:35
fabbionelamont: if you have a list of packages, it would be a good idea to compare them with the sparcc buildd "needsreallove" mailbox05:35
fabbionelamont: apparently gcc-4 is not behaving properly on all arches05:35
fabbionenot in the same way at least05:36
lamontfabbione: among the fun ones... g77-3.4 is in universe, but g77 depends on it.  libtiffxx0 is in universe, but libtiff4 depends on it...05:36
lamontetc.05:36
fabbionelamont: yes.. that's why there is also a "builddep" forlder :)05:36
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=== lamont ponders whether or not it's valid for a package to require the existance of a working resolver in the chroot in order to build
lamontor rather, whether or not it's legal to require that 'localhost' resolve.05:49
fabbionehmm that should always be resolvable via /etc/hosts05:49
lamontfabbione: not when there's no /etc/hosts in the chroot (hasn't been one yet... finally got a failure)05:49
lamontfabbione: hence I have to decide if I believe that it's really something that belongs in a minimal chroot, or if it's a valid FTBFS...05:51
fabbionewhat pkg is that?05:51
lamontwith the exception of libapache2-mod-perl2, ipsec-tools, and iptraf, I'm done with my bonafide ftbfs's05:51
lamont libapache2-mod-perl205:51
fabbionehmm i have /etc/hosts and that's bootstrapping the chroot with --variant=buildd05:53
fabbionemeh no05:53
fabbionebut i have a resolv.conf05:53
lamontright05:53
fabbioneand a dns that resolvs all possible combination of localhost :)05:53
lamontnot so in the data center.. :-)05:53
fabbionemy dc > london dc 05:54
fabbione:P05:54
Mithrandirdaniels: why does x drop .pc files in usr/X11R6/lib/pkgconfig/ ?05:54
danielsMithrandir: because ProjectRoot is /usr/X11R6, and the monolithic tree is crap05:56
danielsyou won't have to wait long for those to disappear; don't worry05:56
Mithrandirdaniels: make the directory a symlink or something.05:56
Mithrandirin the build05:56
fabbionedaniels: have you decided to kill X11R6 for breezy?05:56
MithrandirI'd like to get pkgconfig in Debian and Ubuntu in sync05:56
danielsfabbione: yes05:57
danielsMithrandir: ARGH M YEYES05:57
danielsMithrandir: just be patient and /usr/X11R6/lib will be a symlink05:57
danielsand you can kill that nasty hack05:58
fabbionedaniels:_ just X11R6 .05:58
fabbioneeverything will come up of one layer and match FHS05:58
fabbione:)05:58
Mithrandirdaniels: it's not a nasty hack any more, it's just annoying to not being able to get elmo to sync.05:58
danielsMithrandir: yeah06:00
danielsfabbione: heh :) somet hings are moving though, e.g. fonts to /usr/share06:00
danielsfabbione: so easier to make more fine-grained symlinks06:00
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infinitylamont : It's certainly valid for a package to spawn a temporary daemon to do loopback selftests during build (IMO), so if localhost can't resolve, are you going to tell them to use 127.0.0.1?...06:08
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ajmitchpitti: pong06:12
pittiajmitch: you are doing SELinux stuff? I'm on the list of people for the SELinux BoF, but I have no clue about the technical details of SELinux06:13
pittiajmitch: I do grsecurity on my machines...06:13
pittiajmitch: can you lead the BoF?06:13
ajmitchyes, I am..06:13
pittiajmitch: or tseng?06:13
ajmitchyeah, I can probably do that06:13
pittiajmitch: would be cool; can you put some ideas on the BoF page?06:14
pittiajmitch: I will take a look at the page tomorrow if there is something at it, and do some comments maybre06:14
ajmitchsure, I'll try & do that over the next couple of days before I leave, not much time right now :)06:14
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lamontinfinity: that's the question of the day... it should probably resolve..06:24
lamontbut I want to sleep on it.06:24
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Unfrgivenhi all. im not a ubuntu developer but am keen to get involved in linux development work. i am going to be at UDU next week as a way to find out how to get involved. does anyone have any suggestions as to what i can do in the meanwhile (myself). my strengths lie in C, C++ and perl. I've been a debian user for about 3+ years now.06:35
infinitylamont : We removed a test from php4's configure that tried to resolve localhost "just in case", but I'd be more inclined to say it should be a buildd requirement anyway.06:36
MithrandirUnfrgiven: if you want to maintain packages, the MOTU (Masters of The Universe) team is probably for you.06:37
thomUnfrgiven: probably best of asking that kind of question in #ubuntu-love or #ubuntu-motu06:37
UnfrgivenMithrandir: yeah i'd very much be interested in package maintenance06:37
thomas Mithrandir says, you really need to be working with MOTU06:37
Unfrgiventhom: thanks, i'll check that out. apologies for intruding in the wrong channel.06:37
MithrandirUnfrgiven: no problem.  There's also a fair amount of stuff on the wiki06:38
crimsunUnfrgiven: pleae see wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU06:38
crimsunplease^06:38
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Diablo-D3hey all06:38
Diablo-D3I was thinking06:38
Diablo-D3ubuntu needs a package called ubuntu06:38
Diablo-D3that you can just apt-get, and it installs everything that a default install of ubuntu has06:39
MithrandirDiablo-D3: you mean ubuntu-desktop?06:39
crimsun(or kubuntu-desktop for kubuntu)06:40
Diablo-D3er06:40
Diablo-D3woah06:40
Diablo-D3that may be what I want06:40
Diablo-D3but does it literally include everything?06:40
Diablo-D3including things that arnt desktop related?06:40
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infinityA default ubuntu installation is pretty desktop oriented.06:41
Mithrandirit depends on ubuntu-base and so on06:41
Diablo-D3Ooh06:41
Diablo-D3thats exactly what I'm looking for then06:41
infinity(mainly cause the server installation doesn't have much of anything, because no two server admins can ever agree on what they think the "default" packages should be)06:41
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Diablo-D3infinity: the default server installation should be debian.06:41
Diablo-D3ie, minimalistic as possible06:41
Diablo-D3but still possible to boot and support most hardware06:42
Diablo-D3and not suck that bad06:42
Diablo-D3hrm, question06:43
Diablo-D3why does it depend on x-window-system-core and not x-window-system?06:43
infinityBecause x-window-system pulls in default window managers and session managers and such that people don't want.06:44
lamontinfinity: that, and installing daemons that only listen on 127.0.0.1 by default is kinda painful for the admins... hence the proposal to remove all MTA's from ubuntu-base06:44
infinity(like twm and zdm and whatnot)06:44
infinitylamont : Yeah, agreed.06:44
Diablo-D3ahh06:44
infinitys/zdm/xdm/06:44
Diablo-D3doesnt a linux system require an MTA?06:45
lamontDiablo-D3: the server install is ubuntu-base06:45
lamontDiablo-D3: no..  LSB does, but you can require that they install a package for conformance06:45
Diablo-D3hrm06:45
=== Diablo-D3 seriously cant imagine a life without a mta
infinity*My* systems all require an MTA of some sort, but the average end-user system certainly doesn't.06:45
lamontthere are better ways to get root mail to where the end-user will notice it... (see update notifier for example)06:46
Diablo-D3then again I use fetchmail and procmail ;)06:46
infinityHow often does my mom mail my dad on the local machine?06:46
lamontinfinity: yes06:46
Diablo-D3gimp-python: Depends: python (< 2.4) but 2.4.1-0ubuntu2 is to be installed06:46
Diablo-D3wtf06:46
lamontDiablo-D3: can't imagine it either... but really it's life without an MUA that you can't really imagine, esp if you're an enduser06:46
lamontDiablo-D3: if that's a pure ubuntu repository, then there's a little bug... hoary or breezy?06:47
Diablo-D3oh gar!06:47
Diablo-D3thats my fault06:47
lamontmix-n-match is _BAD_06:47
=== Diablo-D3 's gimp-python is nwer than whats in ubuntu
lamontand my gimp-python has python (<< 2.5), python (>= 2.4)06:47
lamontheh06:47
lamontapt_preferences(5) is your friend for crossgrading sid->ubuntu06:48
Diablo-D3crossgrading?06:48
lamontif you decide to take a debian system to ubuntu, after upstream-version-freeze, you can't really call it an upgrade, since you wind up down-reving some packages06:48
lamontneither is it a downgrade.06:49
lamonttherefore, it's a crossgrade06:49
Diablo-D3ahh06:49
lamontand therein lies some understanding of why it's not an officially supported way of getting ubuntu on your machine...06:49
Diablo-D3I'm used to dealing with broken stuff06:49
Diablo-D3dealing with ->ubuntu is pretty easy06:49
lamontyeah - my crossgrade trick is to pin ubuntu at somewhere around 1600, and let apt have its way06:50
Diablo-D3yow 224 megs06:51
lamontfor what?  sid->hoary?  sounds about right06:51
lamont(new kernel, X, gnome, for starters...)06:52
infinity(anything 1001 and over is high enough to force downgrades)06:52
Diablo-D3and I'm going to have to play the deboprhan game too probably06:52
infinitylamont : You just like to make sure apt got the point, I take it? :)06:52
Diablo-D3yeah, I dont even have gnome installed atm06:52
lamontlast time I did it, I pinned it high, did the apt-get dist-upgrade, and then dumped the package list and compared it to the Packages file, to see what things I had installed that weren't from ubuntu-main... etc, etc.06:53
lamontinfinity: yeah :-)06:53
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lamontinfinity: truthfully, couldn't remember off the cuff if it was {>,>=}{1000,1500}06:53
lamontbut 1600 meets all of those options. :-)06:53
Diablo-D3hrm06:53
infinityHeh.06:53
Diablo-D3do any applications actually use mDNS?06:53
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=== lamont notes that we're pretty off-topic for #ubuntu-devel
Diablo-D3I'm only asking because I didnt see it on the list06:54
infinityI really wish people would stop switching patch systems on a whim.06:54
lamontinfinity: from what to what, I wonder?06:54
infinityIn this case, simple-patchsys to dpatch, including moving a bunch of files around.06:55
infinityWhich means a completely buggered merge attempt by MOM (whou THOUGHT she got it mostly right, that's the scary part)06:55
infinitys/whou/who/06:55
infinityThe really great part of this diff is the 3.2 megs for a uuencoded binary MOM is trying to move back to where she thinks it should live. :)06:56
Diablo-D3infinity: you mean scm?06:57
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Diablo-D3--- Ping reply from infinity : 63.11 second(s)06:58
=== daniels notes that this channel is for Ubuntu development.
ogradaniels, hmm.... reading up it looks like #ubuntu-crossgrade07:01
Diablo-D3hrm, I'm trying to find the policy on trying to become an ubuntu maintainer07:01
danielsDiablo-D3: it's on the wiki,.07:01
Diablo-D3is it still like trying to become a debian one?07:01
ograDiablo-D3, see the MOTU pages on the wiki07:01
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lamontDiablo-D3: easier and harder.07:02
Diablo-D3well, is the policy on pgp keys still retarded?07:02
lamontDiablo-D3: see the wiki pages07:02
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Diablo-D3so wait a second =P07:03
lamont(frankly, can't remember)07:03
Diablo-D3ahah, masters of the universe07:04
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=== lamont would like beat whoever thought it would be good for gcc-4.0 to hijack user space names. (specifically 'log' and 'errors')
Diablo-D3looks like a difficult process07:06
lamontDiablo-D3: yeah, but actually getting involved in making things happen is trivial.07:06
Diablo-D3thats what the debian project said07:07
lamontit's what I've witnessed here07:07
Diablo-D3well, hopefully you're right07:07
lamontDiablo-D3: ask ogra07:07
Diablo-D3I never bothered actually helping the debian project because they are so retarded about how stuff should work07:07
danielsDiablo-D3: please a) stop being a twat ('well, is the policy on pgp keys still retarded?'), and b) move this off-topic discussion out of #ubuntu-devel.07:08
danielsanti-debian rants are not on topic here.07:08
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Diablo-D3lamont: so hopefully the ubuntu community is more friendly.07:08
danielscalling debian 'retarded' is not one way to win that friendship and respect.07:09
lamontDiablo-D3: I've found both communities to be quite friendly, but it's really an off-topic item07:09
Diablo-D3yeah, we really need an offtopic channel for #ubuntu-devel07:10
daniels#ubuntu-offtopic.07:10
=== Diablo-D3 was hoping someone would volunteer to make one
danielsit's already there.07:12
Kamionlamont: log() is specified by C9907:20
Kamionerm, and POSIX?07:20
Kamionyou can -fno-builtin-log or similar though07:20
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ograwho sets it ? mdz ?07:21
lamontKamion: nah, I'll just rename the variable07:21
lamontI bet 'errors' is defined in there somewhere too07:22
fabbionelamont: can you take a look at gtk+2.0 situation on the buildds?07:22
fabbionelamont: for some reasons sparc managed to build it...07:22
fabbionelamont: all the other arches are claiming a missing Build-Dep ?07:22
Kamion'errors' is not in C99; I don't know what that's about07:23
lamontfabbione: you have a polluted chroot07:24
lamont  libtiff4-dev: Depends: libtiffxx0 (= 3.7.2-2) but it is not installable07:24
lamontlibtiffxx0 is in universe, and hence libtiff4-dev is uninstallabkle07:24
lamontunless you have universe in sources.list, which you shouldn't when building main packages07:24
lamontor maybe you haven't successfully built libtiff4-dev yet...07:25
fabbionelamont: the chroot is cleaned daily...07:25
fabbioneand i split main/universe. so it is probably the libtiff407:26
lamontfabbione: I don't doubt you - was just rattling off the possibilities07:26
Mithrandirfabbione: the new kernel will have inotify?07:27
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lamontogra: not sure who the final authority is on priorities, but mdz would certainly know...07:27
fabbionetiff:07:27
fabbione  Package             : tiff07:27
fabbione  Version             : 3.7.2-207:27
fabbione  State               : Installed07:27
fabbione  Installed-Version   : 3.7.2-207:27
fabbioneARGH07:27
fabbionesorry for the flood07:27
lamonthehe07:27
fabbioneMithrandir: yes.07:27
fabbioneMithrandir: the new one is working07:28
Mithrandirfabbione: any ETA? :)07:28
fabbioneMithrandir: as soon as we can upload... 07:28
lamontfabbione: and does libtiff4-dev Depend: libtiffxx0?07:28
lamontand if so, where is libtiffxx0?07:28
fabbionelamont: checking...07:28
fabbionelibtiffxx0 (= 3.7.2-2)07:29
fabbioneSource: tiff07:29
fabbione????07:29
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fabbionelamont: for what i can see libtiffxx0 comes out of tiff07:30
fabbioneso given that you build tiff, you have both...07:30
lamontfabbione: right.  but libtiffxx0 is in UNIVERSE, not MAIN.07:31
lamontand if you can install libtiff4-dev, then you have it in MAIN07:31
fabbionelamont: not for me...07:31
fabbioneit took the package from the incoming cache 07:31
lamont==universe07:32
fabbionesince sparc.u.c isn't updated regularly, i need to rely on a  local cache07:32
fabbioneso that would explain the situation07:32
lamontyes07:32
lamontmind you, the correct fix is probably to promote libtiffxx007:32
fabbionei think there is no other option07:32
fabbioneotherwise 3/4 of main is stalled07:33
=== fabbione starts to believe that all this sparc buildd affair is bringing up interesting aspects of main/universe
lamontfabbione: the alternative is to eliminate the dependency07:34
lamontwhich may or may not be a good idea, of course... :)07:34
fabbionelamont: well, but if they depend on eachother, there might be a reason :)07:34
fabbioneyeah exactly07:34
fabbionei would say to promote it07:34
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fabbioneit's just a very simple lib07:35
fabbionenothing fancy in it07:35
lamontyeah - I haven't looked.07:35
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lamontfabbione: and once ports.u.c is in place, sparc should update cleanly and regularly07:36
fabbionelamont: yes, i am aware of it07:36
fabbionebut i can't do otherwise atm07:36
fabbionei used to have a cache of 2 hours, that was pretty safe07:37
fabbionebuild -> upload -> cache -> rsync -> kill cache07:37
fabbioneso the chroot was exposed only for 2 hours on pks in transit to archive07:37
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lamontKamion: modutils_2.4.27.0-2ubuntu1 uploaded, just for yuou07:39
fabbionelamont: we need to hug elmo really hard at UDU to get ports up.. and shell out some money for beer ;)07:40
lamontwow.  1 more hour and ia64 might have a gcc-4.0 :)07:40
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lamontfabbione: yes.  must be very nice to him at  UDU....07:41
lamontnot sure about the beer angle, though... don't want him setting it up while he's intoxicated...07:41
fabbionelamont: ehhe i didn't even jump in his bed in London :)07:41
lamontfabbione: TMI07:41
lamont:-)07:42
fabbioneehe07:44
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fabbioneKamion, mdz_: can we promote libtiffxx0 to main please?07:54
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Kamionlamont: thanks, will look at that when I come to fix busybox-cvs - hopefully fairly soon07:57
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lamontheh.. someone needs to get them more NAT IP's at LCA - or teach OPN about them08:05
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fabbionenight lamont08:06
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fabbionejbailey: i think i found the bug in glibc about ipv4 being preferred over ipv608:25
fabbionejbailey: i am going to do a test build pretty soon08:25
jbaileyfabbione: Cool.08:25
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jbaileyIs it something caused by a local patch, or somethign in upstream?08:26
fabbioneupstream08:26
infinityglibc doesn't have bugs, fabbione.  It's all in your head.08:26
jbailey'kay. =(  MEans I'll have to figure out why it changed.08:26
infinityThat's what jbailey keeps telling me.08:26
mjg59fabbione: your 2.6.12 seems to have dropped the patch to i810 drm08:26
mjg59i915 rather, sorry08:26
fabbionemjg59: i dropped everything that was named stolen-from-upstream*08:27
fabbionemjg59: for .12 they should find their way to upstream08:27
mjg59fabbione: hm. The one I sent you didn't come from upstream.08:28
mjg59It was a single line patch that changed the version number in the driver08:29
fabbionemjg59: let me check...08:29
fabbionemjg59: right.. i am readding it08:31
fabbionemjg59: dunno why i thought it was coming from upstream08:31
mjg59No problem08:32
fabbioneNodes: 308:33
fabbioneExpected_votes: 308:33
fabbioneTotal_votes: 308:33
fabbioneYAY08:33
fabbione3 nodes cluster!08:33
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fabbionemjg59: done...08:37
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mdz_fabbione: does it have any dependencies which are not in main?09:16
mdz_doesn't seem to09:18
mdz_fabbione: done09:18
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fabbionemdz_: thanks09:20
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elmowhoever's trying to use tilde's in version, stop it09:27
MithrandirI thought they were supported now?09:27
Diablo-D3elmo: eww09:27
Mithrandir(yes, I'm trying to)09:27
Diablo-D3why would anyone want a tilde in a version?09:27
MithrandirDiablo-D3: because it means less-than09:28
elmoMithrandir: no, they aren't09:28
Diablo-D3erm, ~ means "roughly" in mathspeek.09:28
Diablo-D3< is less than.09:28
MithrandirDiablo-D3: read the dpkg source code.09:28
Diablo-D3... please tell me dpkg didnt rewrite the 2000 year old language of math09:29
d3vic3O.o09:29
MithrandirDiablo-D3: math doesn't have a concept of sorting.  09:30
Mithrandirelmo: when will they be?09:31
infinityelmo : Are we still lacking support in some tools, or is it just a question of maintinainig the woody upgrade path for a while longer?09:31
Diablo-D3Mithrandir: meh =/09:31
mdz_Kamion: there are more debbugs bugs breaking debzilla09:33
Kamionelmo: please sync parted 1.6.21-1 from unstable; OK to overwrite 1.6.20-0.exp.2ubuntu209:33
Kamionmdz_: I mentioned the problem to Don Armstrong, who did most of that patch; in the meantime, please mail me bug numbers and I'll fix them09:34
elmoMithrandir: when you figure out how sucky a duck is as a logo09:34
elmoinfinity: katie needs fixed09:34
elmoKamion: done09:34
Kamionta09:35
thominfinity: see the three newly released firefox vulns? :/09:37
Mithrandirelmo: blah. :P09:37
infinitythom : New, as in post-1.0.3?09:39
thomas in fixed in 1.0.309:39
thomand just unembargoed09:39
infinityYeah, I'll do all the 1.0.3 stuff later.09:40
thominfinity: 9926 through 992809:40
infinityOne pre-1.0.3 upload, one post-1.0.3.. Unless they're simple.09:40
thomi'm just gonna do hoary09:40
infinityGo ahead and do hoary, please. :)09:40
infinityI've been busy with, well, everything, so I'd rather get some sort of packages uploaded than nothing at all.09:41
infinityAnd I intend to force some people at UDU to test the packages before we do an advisory, since they stand a high chance of breaking.09:41
thomnods09:42
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jsgotangcowaa09:59
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jsgotangcoogra, hi10:01
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ograjsgotangco, hey10:01
infinitydaniels : Nice reaction time.10:02
jsgotangcoim so tired already i gotta take a day off before i fly off10:03
danielsmy battery was low enough that it refused to resume, given that I'd likely run out of power in a few seconds10:03
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jsgotangcook guys bye bye i might not be online by tommorow see you in UDU10:29
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zygahello11:10
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pittiHellas!12:37
ograprost12:38
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fabbionehey12:39
d3vic3fabbione, 12:39
d3vic3fabbione: aren't u suppose to be flying already ?12:41
fabbioneno12:41
fabbionei will leave saturday morning12:41
d3vic3oh ok 12:42
tsengpitti: yep i only know selinux basics, would be happier with ajmitch running12:42
pittitseng: Hi! ajmitch already agreed to do this more or less :)12:42
tsenggreat :)12:42
fabbionehumpf 2.6.12rc3 is out12:42
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pittihui12:43
fabbioneand gcc-4.0.0 is out12:43
fabbionewhere is doko when we need him?=12:43
pittifabbione: he just left to open a bottle of Whiskey12:44
fabbionepitti: and upload after or during the bottle :)12:44
pittifabbione: I'm afraid we shouldn't allow him to upload a new gcc after that12:44
fabbionenah12:44
pittigggcccc-44.012:44
d3vic3heh12:44
fabbioneahha12:45
pittifabbione: btw, boring week, no new kernel dildos12:45
pittifabbione: you already must felt underloved by now12:45
fabbionepitti: better.. i am busy enough already12:46
=== fabbione branches 2.6.11.90 to start rc3
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fabbionedoko put down the bottle of whisky12:50
fabbionegcc-4.0.0 is out12:50
fabbioneETA for the upload? :P12:51
pittifabbione: the upload alone will take ~ 3 days from here12:51
dokofabbione: bake your rc3 kernel first ;-P 12:51
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pittiand watch the fight12:51
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ografabbione, hee hasch noh boddl ahnymohr12:52
fabbionedoko: dude.. rc3 is already building :)12:53
fabbionepitti: no no.. gcc-3.3 for the kernel...12:53
ografabbione, fix the kernel ;)12:53
pittifabbione: but - it will _work_ with gcc 3.3 - where's the fun?12:53
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fabbioneogra: shut up dude :)12:54
fabbionepitti: there is no fun atm...12:54
ogra:)12:54
fabbionethe fun will come after we get .12 out12:54
fabbionethan we will switch compiler12:54
tsengmmmm, ftbfs01:07
fabbioneuhuhu 12rc3 is already building :)01:12
fabbionedoko: where is gcc? :P01:13
d3vic3doko: MOVE AWAY FROM THE WHISKY BOTTLE ! :P  01:14
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Treenaksfabbione: I had a request from a Dutch user for a preview of the .12 kernel -- his ICH6 Intel on-board sound stuff didn't work in .1001:22
fabbioneTreenaks: no preview.. sorry. there are still a few problems that need to be solved before i can push .21 in the archive01:23
Treenaksfabbione: ok01:24
fabbioneand i really won't be able to help him if the system will mess up01:24
fabbionealso.. .12 will be for breezy01:24
fabbioneit needs already too much hacking to go in hoary01:25
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Treenaksfabbione: yes of course01:26
Treenaksfabbione: I asked him to upgrade already, and he installed the meta-packages.. so it should be OK once you declare it final01:27
fabbioneif he is on breezy yes01:27
fabbioneit will be final when i will push the big red button on my desk with written "Deploy luser automatic system destroier"01:28
Treenakscool, where do I get those?01:28
fabbioneTreenaks: the same day you will get baz commit rights on kernel/libc6/gcc/xorg01:29
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fabbioneor grub01:29
Treenakscool01:29
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jbaileylamont: You around?02:04
fabbionehey jbailey 02:05
jbaileyHeya Fabio!02:06
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lamontjbailey: morning02:59
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adamhphp4 doesn't seem to be compiled with the zip extension, and I can't find any packages that provide it. Is my only option to compile from source?03:36
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leonelhello !  firefox1.0.3  was released  is there any patch for hoary's firefox 1.0.2 to fix the bugs 1.0.3 fixed ?04:20
upsleonel, i'm not a dev, but i think most of the patches are already in ubuntu's firefox04:26
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trygvebwWould it be an idea to forward "su" to "sudo -i"?05:56
uniqtrygvebw: feel free to make your own alias. :)05:59
trygvebwuniq: Of course :) but i was thinking that it maybe was an idea to include one as standard in Ubuntu?05:59
Burgundaviano05:59
Burgundaviatoo confusing05:59
uniqagreed.06:00
Burgundaviaas that is not expected behaviour06:00
Burgundaviathose that know about su need to use it06:00
Burgundavianot be told about sudo06:00
uniqwould be like making an alias of 'vi' to nano.. or something.06:00
Burgundaviaanyway, the great unwashed used gksudo or kdesu06:00
Burgundaviaand should never see the command line06:00
trygvebwWell, it's more friendly to newbies, and it *would* do the same thing as "su" without parameters...06:01
Burgundaviatrygvebw, did you read what I just said?06:01
trygvebwBurgundavia, yes i did06:01
uniqmessing with coreutils is bad.06:01
Burgundaviatrygvebw, then you will know why it is bad06:01
trygvebwWell... Who need the "su" tool in the standard configuration?06:02
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uniqneed/want/expect it to be there.. 06:02
uniqI expect it to be there.. 06:02
uniqI don't expect su to start sudo in any way.06:02
Burgundaviathose that know about su need to use it, not be told about sudo06:02
trygvebwWell, "sudo -i" will do exactly (nearly) the same thing as "sudo -i"06:02
trygvebwWithout telling anybody that it *is* "sudo"06:03
uniqstill a bad idea. it's like makiing 'vi' a alias to nano, you can still edit your files.. 06:03
uniq.. but i hate nano :)06:04
trygvebwThere is a big difference, "vi" works, but "su" doesn't.06:04
uniqsu works if you enable the root account.06:05
trygvebwUsually people who know show to activate root also knows how to remove the alias.06:06
uniqthe essential here is as burgundavia said "expected behaviour".. 06:07
trygvebwAnd like i said, the behavior of "sudo -i" and "su" is exactly the same...06:08
Burgundaviatrygvebw, uh, no06:08
uniqwithout arguments.. yes.06:08
trygvebwyes06:08
uniqor well.06:08
uniqno.06:08
uniqnearly.. 06:08
uniqnot enought.06:08
trygvebwMost people who use arguments knows how to remove the alias.06:08
uniqif they know it's there.. 06:08
Burgundaviaif you type in su06:08
Burgundaviayou get a password prompt06:09
BurgundaviaI just did06:09
trygvebwYou also do with "sudo -i06:09
trygvebw"06:09
Burgundaviabut the difference is what password they are looking for06:09
Burgundaviasu is looking for roots06:09
uniqtrygvebw: try 'sudo -i -s /bin/zsh'06:09
Burgundaviasudo -i is looking for mine06:09
trygvebwuniq: Doesn't work06:10
uniqI know.06:10
trygvebwBurgundavia, well, we could print a warning...06:10
uniqsu -s /bin/zsh does.06:10
trygvebwuniq: <trygvebw> Most people who use arguments knows how to remove the alias.06:10
trygvebwBurgundavia, well, we could print a warning...06:10
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Burgundaviatrygvebw, why not just do what is normal"?06:11
uniq:)06:11
Burgundaviathe only people who need su, actually want su06:11
trygvebwBecause "su" -> "sudo -i" is more newbie friendly...06:11
uniqno, it's just confusing.06:12
Burgundaviatrygvebw, please understand, the great unwashed is never going to use su06:12
trygvebwBurgundavia, well, people are instructed (irc, forums) to do special command line things including "su". They type "su", and can't get further.06:12
Burgundaviatrygvebw, they shouldn06:13
Burgundaviat06:13
Burgundaviabe06:13
trygvebwWhy?06:13
BurgundaviaUbuntu uses sudo06:13
Burgundaviapeople should follow the defaults06:13
Burgundaviaunless they really know better06:13
trygvebwWhat if users of other distros instruct them?06:13
uniq.. and then they know how to enable the root account.. 06:13
trygvebw^06:13
Burgundaviathat is not really an issue we can deal with, and your "fix" won't help06:14
trygvebwWell...06:14
trygvebwOk :)06:14
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zygahello06:21
uniqhi.06:22
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zygabluefoxicy: ping06:32
bluefoxicyhi06:34
bluefoxicyzyga: http://rafb.net/paste/results/lcaHUV32.html06:35
zygabluefoxicy: looking :-)06:36
zygaBTW: what's the naming cheme?06:37
bluefoxicy?06:37
zyganevermind06:37
zyga!06:38
zygahow did you resolve malloc?06:38
zyga(the real malloc)06:38
zygaI had constant problems with real programs06:38
bluefoxicyuh06:38
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bluefoxicyI didn't find glibc's malloc06:38
bluefoxicyI just have my own implementation.06:38
bluefoxicyhence the infinite loop and negative size allocations.06:38
zygaso real_malloc is your custom right?06:38
bluefoxicyyeah06:38
zygaok06:39
zygaI had strange results yesterday06:39
bluefoxicyonce_malloc() has initializers06:39
bluefoxicyand a pthread_once() call which is expensive as hell06:39
zygaI could not repeat the behaviour of your first test06:39
bluefoxicyso it switches a pointer to real_malloc()06:39
bluefoxicyso the first (few?) malloc() calls may be once_malloc(), the following become real_malloc()06:39
zygathe one where one allocation was holding memory back06:39
zyga(now it always holds the memory back, even after it's released)06:39
zygabut I've updated to breezy so that could be relevant06:40
bluefoxicyo.O06:40
bluefoxicynow it holds memory even after dropping the heap holder in msztest?06:40
zygayes06:40
bluefoxicywhat the ass?06:40
zygaI'm currently ignoring thread safty 06:40
bluefoxicyit should drop from like 100 megs to 2 megs06:40
zyga:>06:40
zygait does after the process dies06:40
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zygaI'm going to test it more excessively today06:40
zygaI hope malloc still suxx ;] 06:41
bluefoxicyhaha06:41
zygaotherwise we d'be out of hobby :>06:41
bluefoxicyI may be out of a job soon06:41
zygas/we d'/we'd /06:41
bluefoxicyI fix computers, but my performance is rated by how I sell services06:42
zygawhat do you sell?06:42
bluefoxicyso like, the sales guys sell computers and are supposed to give us the customers so we sell them services06:42
bluefoxicyexcept06:42
bluefoxicythe sales guys bring me customers that want a computer and 10 billion services06:42
bluefoxicyso I do the services06:42
AmaranthYou work at Besy Buy?06:42
bluefoxicybut I dont sell them.06:42
bluefoxicyAmaranth:  yes06:42
bluefoxicyit's weird though.06:42
bluefoxicyWe have to be "Bringing in money" but we're NOT commissioned.06:42
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zygabbl06:43
bluefoxicyyou don't make more because you sell more; but you lose your job if you don't make the company any money06:43
AmaranthYou're one of those "GeekSquad" guys?06:43
bluefoxicybut people are like "OMFG CHECK IT I SOLDS $10GAZILION"06:43
bluefoxicyAmaranth:  yep06:43
AmaranthGood to know some of them actaully have a clue...06:43
bluefoxicyAmaranth:  actualyl I have like 10000 new services we could supply but don't06:43
bluefoxicymost involving open source software because you don't need a commercial license or NDA to use it.06:44
bluefoxicyI mean we could put a fucking customized firefox on CD and sell it for $2006:44
AmaranthIt seems like the ones at the Best Buy here know how to replace HDs, replace RAM, and reinstall Windows. Other than that they try to sell you a new computer.06:44
bluefoxicyas long as the XPI stuff used to install firefox was with it, and the source code to firefox was available (mozilla.org)06:44
bluefoxicyAmaranth:  oh yes06:44
bluefoxicyAmaranth:  I'll spend all day trying to fix a broken computer to avoid letting them reinstall the OS06:45
bluefoxicybecause I want to fix the shit06:45
Burgundaviabluefoxicy, I just left a repair shop like that06:45
Burgundaviaand I was gald06:45
bluefoxicyBurgundavia:  If i had thec apital I'd start my own linux-centric business06:45
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Burgundaviabluefoxicy, quit while you are ahead06:45
AmaranthI did that when I was doing to tech work. I'd waste 5 hours running virus scanners and spyware tools instead of spending an hour reinstalling windows.06:45
bluefoxicyBurgundavia:  I need money BADLY06:45
Amaranths/to//06:46
Burgundaviahmm06:46
bluefoxicymy bank accounts are dry and my insurance is due the 29th06:46
AmaranthBecause if you even changed the user's background they'd freak.06:46
BurgundaviaI worked for a small company06:46
Burgundaviathey were a little more sane06:46
Amaranthbtw, when you do have to reinstall windows get it all setup then create an XP restore point06:47
Amaranthif they bring it in again just restore to that point06:47
bluefoxicyBurgundavia:  I want to talk to my district manager about getting permission to market and perform a few new services, the most basic being one linux centric one where we take an old PC they have that they want to junk and install Linux on it for a very low fee (OS installation is like $200 what the fuck?)06:48
bluefoxicyactually I think we could get away with charging $10006:48
zygaback06:48
Burgundaviaindeed06:48
bluefoxicybecause it's not like "You installed Windows"06:48
bluefoxicyit's like06:48
Burgundaviawe did few suse servers06:48
zygabluefoxicy: can your allocator handle real world stuff?06:48
bluefoxicy"You installed Linux AND Gnome AND an office suite AND some games AND a bunch of shit AND media players AND system tools!"06:49
bluefoxicythat's like, $500 worth of work06:49
zygabluefoxicy: (like could you run firefox with it)06:49
bluefoxicya ton of software packages06:49
Burgundaviayou installed an OS, not just windows06:49
bluefoxicyzyga:  it dies running ls06:49
zygabluefoxicy: mine too06:49
bluefoxicyzyga:  it gets 3 heaps in and dies.06:49
zygabluefoxicy: did you check what malloc actually does?06:49
bluefoxicy(my heaps hold 4M of allocs)06:49
AmaranthBurgundavia: No, you installed a distro. :)06:49
bluefoxicyzyga:  no :)06:49
zygabluefoxicy: apart from malloc and friends there's valloc and a couple of other quirky things06:50
bluefoxicyBurgundavia:  Well, I should talk to my district manager about it.06:50
zygabluefoxicy: also, do you run any logging stuff?06:50
bluefoxicyLinux is infinite stock because it's free, downloadable, burnable06:50
zygabluefoxicy: any *printf06:50
Amaranthhey, HP is going to use a customized version of Ubuntu for their linux machines06:50
bluefoxicyand services are infinite stock because they're coming from your techs06:50
bluefoxicyzyga:  that output is all from pritnf06:50
Burgundaviaconvinced my father to let me let his research students have Ubuntu on his old laptop06:50
bluefoxicyBurgundavia:  but I got in because my aunt knows derek06:50
Burgundaviaah06:51
bluefoxicythe district manager06:51
bluefoxicyI got the INTERVIEW06:51
bluefoxicybut I had to actually survive the interview to get the job06:51
bluefoxicyI don't do the thing where people hand me shit for free.06:51
zygabluefoxicy: printf suxx, calls malloc06:51
zygabluefoxicy: almost anything calls malloc06:51
bluefoxicyzyga:  wtf :o06:51
Burgundaviabluefoxicy, how old are you06:51
bluefoxicyBurgundavia:  1906:51
zygabluefoxicy: I've done my own _msgf that's simple enough and doesn't call anything besides write06:51
Burgundaviaah06:51
bluefoxicyBurgundavia:  I'm still a businessman06:51
zygabluefoxicy: really?06:52
zyga:>06:52
bluefoxicyzyga:  really06:52
bluefoxicyzyga:  not interested in girls though so save yourself the trouble of asking me out ;P06:52
zygabluefoxicy: I'm not a girl :P06:52
zygabluefoxicy: get real ;] 06:52
bluefoxicy:O06:52
zygahehe06:52
bluefoxicybut your name ends with an 'a' and like everyone online is spanish06:52
bluefoxicywell06:52
ningowohoho a/s/l time  in #ubuntu-devel  ?06:52
bluefoxicymore of them are canadian than spanish06:52
zygabluefoxicy: that's my problem 06:52
zygabluefoxicy: /whois zyga06:53
zyga(that doesn't sound like female, does it)06:53
AmaranthMost people think I'm female.06:53
zyganingo: learn a new thing every day I guess ;-)06:53
bluefoxicyah06:53
zygabluefoxicy: anyway 06:54
zygabluefoxicy: could you try and run ls after #if 0ing all your printfs out/06:54
bluefoxicyzyga:  I'll just disable debug06:56
bluefoxicyzyga:  but it'll still die.06:56
zygabluefoxicy: did you run it via gdb?06:57
bluefoxicyno06:57
zygabluefoxicy: I can actually run ls now06:57
bluefoxicyyeah it infinite loops.06:57
bluefoxicyzyga:  really?06:57
zygabluefoxicy: but my algorithm is so trivial it fails on real programs06:57
zygabluefoxicy: in a few hours it should be usable enough to run firefox I hope06:57
spo0nmanthere is a usability bug in xchat ctrl - w closes a window but its too damn close to ctrl q which closes the application witout asking a question like "Do you want to close all tabs?" who to complain for a fix?06:58
zygabluefoxicy: we could move to #malloc just to avoid all the extra noise06:58
bluefoxicyzyga:  *shrug* heh06:58
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leonelhello !  firefox1.0.3  was released  is there any patch for hoary's firefox 1.0.2 to fix the bugs 1.0.3 fixed ?07:16
Amaranthnot yet07:16
zygaBTW: patch, cant we just use vanilla firefox code?07:17
AmaranthNot in hoary.07:17
Burgundaviaif you look at the change logs for ubuntu 1.0.2, you see taht we already had most of the security patches in07:17
zygagood to know07:17
zygaperhaps you should call it firefox-1.0.2.1 then07:17
Burgundaviathis happens each release07:19
Burgundaviathe devs should just call it 1.0.3 to make the plebs happy07:19
zygaBurgundavia: if the'd call it 1.0.4 that would make ubuntu popular ;] 07:19
Burgundavialol07:19
zyga(har har har)07:19
BurgundaviaI am quite serious though07:20
zygaI know07:20
Burgundaviathey should bump the version number07:20
zygabluefoxicy: what is your CPU?07:21
leonelso it's safe  hoary's firefox 1.0.2  as safe as  mozilla-firefox 1.0.307:23
zygaleonel: version number voodoo is still important07:23
zyga(debian stable has 0.2 because it's stable, har har ... wrong way to go)07:24
leonelzyga,   yes or no would do07:24
zygaleonel: your statement was a question? I'm confused07:24
leonelso it's safe  hoary's firefox 1.0.2  as safe as  mozilla-firefox 1.0.3 ?07:24
zygaah07:24
zygaleonel: in that case, from what I heard - yes07:24
zygaleonel: but you might want to ask for details 07:25
bluefoxicyzyga:  amd6407:27
leonelyes is enough07:27
leonelthanks zyga 07:27
zygabluefoxicy: those pointers looked suspiciously long ;)07:27
zygabluefoxicy: try using %p for pointers07:28
bluefoxicy1 + 4 + 4 = 1207:33
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bluefoxicyaccording to my program.07:33
zygabluefoxicy: that is some truly fancy complex number math ;] 07:34
zygabluefoxicy: could you show a sample of your source code?07:34
bluefoxicyzyga:  my struct minialloc is {char; size_t; miniheap*;}07:34
zygabluefoxicy: is that a sizeof calculation?07:34
zygahehe07:34
zygabluefoxicy: read about alignment07:34
zyga:>07:34
bluefoxicywhich is 1 (sizeof(char)), 4 (sizeof(size_t)), and 4 (pointer)07:34
bluefoxicyit's a structure07:34
bluefoxicyit's not allowed to bea ligned!07:34
zyga...?07:35
bluefoxicyit's supposed to be structural :P07:35
zygayou got it wrong :P07:35
zygarepack that to size_t, void *, char07:35
zygabut read about alignment and structure padding07:35
zygait works not the way you think it does apparently07:36
bluefoxicyheh07:36
bluefoxicy what the hell07:36
bluefoxicyextra strength tylenol took 5 minutes to kill my headache07:37
Burgundaviazyga, just posted to u-devel about it07:37
zygaBurgundavia: about firefox versioning?07:38
Burgundaviazyga, oui07:38
zygaBurgundavia: tres bien!07:38
Burgundaviabasically saying bump the version numbers so we don't look bad07:38
zygaBurgundavia: ah, I thoght I convinced you to bump them to 1.0.4 ;-)07:39
zygafor a split second ;] 07:39
BurgundaviaIANAD07:39
zygaBurgundavia: well written07:40
Burgundaviathank you07:40
Burgundaviatook about 4 drafts07:41
bluefoxicyhow am I supposed to debug an allocator when my brain is feeling like it's getting fucked by a horse on and off07:48
bluefoxicythis officially sucks.07:48
zygabluefoxicy: you may want to create #malloc-fucks-a-ho.... errr07:51
zygabluefoxicy: you may want to rest for a moment07:51
zygabluefoxicy: malloc is not going anywhere yet07:51
zyga(this is hardly ubuntu-devel topic)07:52
bluefoxicydoes gdb work at all08:05
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zygabluefoxicy: #malloc08:07
Amaranthsorry, was testing something08:07
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jpwhen will fixed libgnome-cil at breezy? since yesterday it's broken.08:15
cartmanjp: report a bug08:19
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jpcartman sorry but that sucks =) 08:28
cartmanjp: well thats how it supposed to work08:28
jpwell by, i'll use hoary, for more comodity08:29
Amaranthjp: sorry but you don't pay us :)08:29
cartmanreminds me that I need to report a console-data bug08:29
jpAmaranth yep08:29
jpI know. That's is the bad part of open source08:29
jpwell bye guys08:29
cartmanit works :)08:29
Amaranthjp: That all your little issues aren't fixed on your command?08:29
jpbtw thanks.08:29
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jpAmaranth !08:30
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Amaranth:)08:30
jpwell08:30
jpI only said that it sucks, 'cause tseng said me today it'll be ok, butit's broken, and it's a so used tool.08:31
jpthat's.08:31
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jncwho you callin' a used tool there buddy08:31
jpmmm08:32
Amaranthhehe08:32
jpgtk-sharp 08:32
jpdon't you know it?08:32
jp08:32
jncmy butits are my own business08:32
Amaranthwell, you're using a devel version of a distro you get for free, things don't always work and all you can do is file a bug report so people know something is wrong08:32
jpok08:32
Amaranthoh, and pray for a fix, if you want :)08:33
jncwell said Amaranth 08:33
leonelAny plans to make an Ubuntu Distro as Kubuntu  But only with Server Packages ?08:33
jpAmaranth that's I was waiting for today =)08:33
jpjeje08:33
jpwell i'll use hoary, and problem solved.08:33
jpthanks btw08:33
Mithrandirjp: you're free to purchase a support contract from Canonical and we'll see what we can do to solve your problems08:34
jncleonel: kind of defeats the point of Kubuntu does it not?08:34
Mithrandir(or from some other company offering support contracts, obviously.)08:34
leoneljnc, ubuntu  gnome centric   kubuntu  kde centric  i mean  a Subuntu ?   Server Centric 08:34
jpMithrandir I'm not saying that, I'm only asking about a problem that bust be solved for today.08:34
Mithrandirleonel: just boot the system with "server" when installing.08:34
jpmust*08:35
leoneljnc,  no X no gnome no kde just  server packages  08:35
jncleonel: there's a server option on Ubuntu Hoary install08:35
zygaAmaranth: jc can do far more08:35
Mithrandirjp: "must be solved" sounds a lot like "I need a support contract" to me. :)  08:35
zygaAmaranth: he can fix it him/her self and provide a patch08:35
leonelMithrandir, I know but there's many packages for server on universan not suitable for producction08:35
Mithrandirjp: (or "I'll solve this myself")08:35
jncleonel: really though, i personally run a straight debian install when i'm doing server stuffs08:35
jpmmm08:35
zygaAmaranth: that will be greeted far better then 'it's borken ... arghh'08:35
Mithrandirleonel: what has universe to do with this?08:36
leoneljnc, I have debian but woody is so old that I need new packages   and sarge has no security support yet08:36
Amaranthuniverse it totally unsupported08:36
Amaranthit's a "take it or leave it, good luck" kind of thing there08:36
jpMithrandir it's not. I'm only trying to say that it's a bug with libgnome-cil :@08:36
leonelMithrandir, universe is not supported so not suitable for producction08:36
jncleonel: watch bug traq and run sarge08:36
jpleonel  it's true.08:36
Mithrandirleonel: I've been a ubuntu developer since last August, I know what universe means. :)08:37
jplibgnome-cil is at universe Mithrandir08:37
BurgundaviaMithrandir, lol08:37
jphahahaha08:37
leoneljnc, not an  option08:37
Mithrandirjp: there are two discussions here, one is the server one, one is the libgnome-cil problem you're having.08:37
jncleonel: what exactly do you need this for anyways08:37
jpMithrandir ok, libgnome-ci don't have official support, tseng know things about that package.08:38
jpMithrandir ok, libgnome-ci don't have official support, tseng knows things about that package.08:38
Mithrandirleonel: there's a lot of server packages in main.08:38
leoneljnc,  more server packages that could go instead  X Gnome / Kde08:38
jncleonel: is this for your job or for fun?08:38
leoneljnc, job08:38
Mithrandirjp: yeah, but he might very well be on a plane to .au now, as he's coming for UDU08:38
jncleonel: so uh... get a redhat support contract08:39
jncor one from canocial08:39
jnc(spelling leaves something to be desired)08:39
leoneljnc, jejeje  Centos works fine  but I'd like  Ubuntu 08:39
Mithrandirleonel: which server packages are you missing?08:39
jpMithrandir mmm so you're saying I have to pay canonical support for it? for breezy? LOL08:39
jncI'd like 50 hours in a day and grass that grows to a perfect height always green08:40
jncwe're getting there through the marvel of science and hard work08:40
leonelMithrandir, libdbd-pg-perl 08:40
jncit's going to take a while and some money08:40
leonelamong others08:40
jpwell there's no solution for libgnome-cil :(08:40
Mithrandirjp: no, I'm not saying that, I'm saying that if you want to have any kind of guarantees (or something like that) for timely fixes, you should purchase a support contract.  Apart from that, it'll all be best-effort08:41
Mithrandirleonel: propose it for the supportedseed for breezy, then08:41
zygajp: it's not that anyone WANTS it broken ;)08:41
jphaha08:41
jp:)08:41
jncif you got time to complain, you have time to fix the darn thing08:41
leonelMithrandir, thanks let me make  my list :)08:41
Mithrandirjp: but then , breezy is pretty shaky right now, so you basically shouldn't be running it on non-development systems.  But you've already discovered that. :)08:42
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jncHoary isn't even feature complete on all archs08:43
jpMithrandir yep, I'm using it 'cause it has gnome 2.10.1, i'm not a developer...08:43
jpI'm gonna use hoary =)08:43
jpbye08:44
jncgnome 2.4.x is perfectly usable08:44
Mithrandirjp, see you around08:44
jpbye Mithrandir08:44
jnchm.   08:44
jncis Ubuntu even designed with server applications in mind?08:45
Amaranththat's funny, libgnome-cil is working fine here08:45
Amaranthwhat's wrong with it for you?08:45
jncwhich arch08:45
Amaranthx8608:46
jnci.e maybe it works on foo but not bar08:46
Mithrandirjnc: it would be slightly more useful if you said what was missing or broken rather than just complaining08:46
jncMithrandir: oh yeah i was here before release filing bugs etc.08:47
jnci don't have the # handy but you can search for "openoffice won't print amd64" something like that i believe08:47
jncthe title was originally different for the bug report08:48
Mithrandiryeah, I know about that one.08:48
MithrandirI just didn't get around to fixing it.08:48
jncI would submit a fix, it's a simple matter that I have no clue for what OpenOffice does.  I usually pick smaller pieces of cake to consume08:48
MithrandirI know what the fix is, it's just that OOo is big and scary and makes me want to cry. ;)08:49
jncit used to work when i first installed Hoary preview, then after some update between then and now it ceased to function08:51
jncexactly, sir08:51
jncis there an LD_PRELOAD= workaround or something I could do? would be nice as i'm attempting to use that hardware for an office computer08:51
MithrandirI can try to provide a backported fix when I get back home, but there's no way I'm going to do that with a second latency to my home systems. :)08:52
jncbackported... from breezy?08:53
jncif it's fixed in breezy, i mean shoot at least i can update that bug08:53
Mithrandirno, it's not fixed yet08:53
Mithrandirbut I can provide hoary packages once I've fixed it in breezy08:54
jncoh okay.   it would be much appreciated08:54
jncFYI you'll see me complain on occasion I do submit fixes too08:54
jncelectric sheep screensaver configuration is one08:55
jncit looks spectacular on a flatscreen lcd08:55
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MithrandirI should really try to get a few hours more08:56
jncsame here08:56
jncisn't it just awful when ya don't sleep 6+ hours at least?08:56
Mithrandirthe problem right now is I'm at LCA which means my timezone is eight hours off, I'm not home, I miss my fiancee and am developing conference cough-sickness.08:56
Mithrandirbut it's fun, so I'm not complaining.08:57
Mithrandirit's just that I get a bit grumpy08:57
jncunderstood08:57
BurgundaviaMithrandir, have you read my post to u-devel regarding ff numbering09:01
Mithrandirnot really, but it's thom and not me who maintains ff09:02
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Burgundaviais thom about?09:02
Mithrandirprobably not atm; it's 05:02 in the morning here09:02
Mithrandirin four hours or so, he should be09:02
MithrandirI'm off for a bit more sleep09:03
Burgundaviaah09:03
Burgundaviaok09:03
Burgundaviatimezones mess me up09:03
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fgxhi devs. do you think hoary's php version wil be updated after the getimagesize() bug discovered today?09:55
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zygafgx: devs are away ATM 10:11
\shdevs are all down under10:12
\shdown, under water, or in australia *eg*10:12
fgxzyga, ok, thx10:14
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bluefoxicyi'm going to class.  GPS doesn't work, but I don't use IDEs anyway.11:20
zygabluefoxicy: GPS and IDE have what in common?11:20
bluefoxicyzyga:  uhhhhhhhh. . . 11:21
bluefoxicyhttp://libre.adacore.com/gps/11:21
zygaglobal positioning system ;] 11:21
bluefoxicyi'm installing it on xp anyway11:22
bluefoxicyI have XP on my laptop and  only boot into it to install and configure open source software on windows11:23
bluefoxicyso that when peoeple talk to me about linux and open source software11:23
bluefoxicyI can be like11:23
bluefoxicy*whips out big dcache of free software on windows*11:23
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zygabluefoxicy: I cannot stand working on windows11:54
zygabluefoxicy: when 80% of my time is spent in the shell and 20% in the browser windows is very unplesant11:54
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