[12:00] \sh: ew kmail. my hate for that is for purely different reasons than evo (mostly I refuse to install Qt) [12:02] <\sh> schweeb: well..then only one solution left: thunderbird ;) === \sh has other problems then to decide which mail client to use ,) [12:04] eddyp: malone is both [12:04] umkay [12:04] \sh: yes, that is what I use :) [12:06] <\sh> bob2: malone is far away from being a bugzilla replacement, but it's a good beginning for non-bugzilla noobs ;) [12:06] meh [12:07] bob2: will malone be open source? [12:07] i am thinking that if it is better than bugzilla, then it would be a nice tool [12:08] I believe it'll be closed source [12:08] like Rosetta is [12:08] I was wondering about this... why is that? [12:09] cause it's one of the things that Canonical has decided to make its profit off of, most likely [12:10] and they use ubuntu as a test bench at the same time [12:10] nice idea [12:10] and smart [12:10] tseng, evo has really some issue ? [12:11] seb128: yep [12:11] and detail ? [12:11] s/and/any/ [12:11] The following packages have unmet dependencies: [12:11] evolution: Depends: libcamel1.2-3 (>= 1.2.2) but it is not going to be installed [12:11] Depends: evolution-data-server (>= 1.2.1) but it is not going to be installed [12:11] eddyp: Broken packages [12:11] doesn't help a lot [12:11] do you why/how it's broken, how to fix it ? [12:11] wel, everything else is built with libcamel1.2-0 [12:12] "everything else" ? [12:12] tseng: errr, what? [12:12] c-l-a, gnomemeeting, libebook [12:12] autocompetion does not work in this manner [12:12] :) [12:13] libedata-book1.2-2, libdataserverui1.2, nautilus-sendto === Keybuk [~scott@150.203.247.9] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:13] hum [12:13] i *think* libcamel1.2-3 got synced from sid [12:13] feel free to fix it i you want, or I'll fix that within 1 or 2 weeks [12:13] and broke it all [12:14] ill bring up mutt and see if its in b-changes [12:14] yeah [12:14] evolution-data-server1.2 got synced from sid [12:14] and overwrote our evolution-data-server (note no 1.2) packages [12:14] fuck [12:14] needs another e-d-s upload to put it back [12:15] I pinged elmo saturday about this but got no reply, I get that's not the right week to ping somebody :p [12:15] -1 was ftbfsing on saturday [12:15] indeed [12:15] im not sure if i am in keyring, but im almost certain I cant upload to main [12:15] any takers? [12:15] next week is non-hacking as well [12:16] right, but if I've the bandwith I can do one upload [12:17] I _think_ that uploading an evolution-data-server 1.2.2-2ubuntu1 package would suffive [12:17] even if it's just 1ubuntu1 with the version number changed [12:17] I think so [12:17] I put the version to 1ubuntu1 instead of 0ubuntu1 for this reason on the previous one [12:17] it's not hugely urgent though [12:17] it's an impossible upgrade, so the worst people can do without trying hard is have the slightly older evo packages [12:18] yeah i was just joking about it, i assumed you were aware of the situation [12:18] nop, some people put a useless bugzilla bug [12:18] ie: they managed to put 10 comments without any one useful to understand the bug [12:19] well, you understand it now :) [12:19] and we have a 3ko/s download or something like that here [12:19] ugh. === blahrus [~blahrus@12-223-50-121.client.insightbb.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === doko [~doko@CPE-60-225-18-37.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:24] <|QuaD-> tseng: how is mono 1.1.x/beagle in breezy coming along? [12:25] fine. [12:25] <|QuaD-> do you have an eta? [12:25] after UDU [12:26] <|QuaD-> is it finnished and you are just waiting? [12:26] yes [12:26] mostly. [12:26] <|QuaD-> heh, ok :( === pitti [~pitti@CPE-60-225-18-37.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:28] morning pitti [12:28] hi ogra [12:28] Hey everybody [12:28] hi pitti. [12:28] hey tseng [12:28] morning pitti [12:28] hello pitti [12:28] moin pitti [12:28] Hey seb128, long time no see [12:29] right :) [12:29] pitti, you dont look under your bed to often, eh [12:29] ? [12:30] <\sh> ogra: have a nice day down under :) don't eat to many kangas ;) [12:30] heh... havent even seen one yet :) [12:31] wo ist herr holbach? :P [12:31] <\sh> ogra: well, they're frightend because of you :) a german with long hair ... no ways, lets get a move on ;) [12:31] tseng, they are buying washing powder.... [12:32] get the linux brand [12:32] <\sh> they have "plus" there? [12:32] \sh, no, i think they fear me because i dont wear that nifty crocodile dundee hat [12:32] <\sh> hehehe [12:32] <\sh> ogra: i have one..why didn't you ask for it ;) [12:33] \sh, they are not to expensive, so i can have my own one :) [12:35] <\sh> *grmpf* again harddrive broken at netapp-orastore === JanC [~JanC@dD5770455.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:35] <\sh> time to sleep... [12:36] <\sh> g'night gentlemen :) === amu- hat hunger === ogra macht nochn espresso.... [12:38] argh === amu- [~amu@CPE-60-225-18-37.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === zyga finds painfully that it's hard to find something that does not use malloc [12:43] zyga: what should it use instead? === ogra_ [~ogra@CPE-60-225-18-37.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === doko [~doko@CPE-60-225-18-37.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === eddyp [~eddyp@81.181.70.10] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [12:51] Kamion: i've gotten further... it appears that the adduser .deb is needed... is there a way to get the list of debs i need to copy back :) [12:54] jcole: not really. look in /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts/hoary for a start, but you'll need more than that. [12:54] jcole: http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/germinate-output/hoary/base might be a useful start to [12:54] er, too [12:57] thanks again Kamion, i'll do some more homework before bugging you again... when i figure this out, i'll be sure to post up a how to === srbaker [~srbaker@blk-137-77-155.eastlink.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === susus [~sz@p5089CDE3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === crb [~crb@hermitage.hs.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:59] Hi. [12:59] Can anyone shed any light on why the kernel package in hoary is versioned 2.6.10-7 and the modules, 2.6.10-5 ? [01:00] crb: the latter is the module ABI [01:00] crb: every time binary module compatibility breaks, the number that's currently 5 is incremented [01:00] crb: the former is simply the package version, incremented on every upload [01:01] although actually I don't know where you got 2.6.10-7 ... [01:01] I'm sure it was -7 somewhere, let me look.. [01:02] linux-image-386_2.6.10-7_i386.deb [01:02] oh, that's a metapackage; again, that's just the package version [01:02] linux-image-386 is just there to depend on the current linux-image-*-386 (currently linux-image-2.6.10-5-386) === dholbach [~daniel@CPE-60-225-18-37.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:03] I'm remastering a hoary CD with preseed and some universe packages I want on it (I've removed all the packages that ubuntu-desktop depends on) === jcole [~jcole@palwebproxy2.core.hp.com] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [01:03] ~> [01:03] my pool still contains all the right files, but for some reason I can't install linux-image-386 any more so the installer is falling over. [01:03] make sure you have all linux-* packages from the original CD [01:03] And it's obviously not the versioning. :) [01:03] hai [01:04] linux-386 is the one used by default ... [01:04] I was pretty sure I did.. there's nothing special in the Packages file that dpkg-scanpackages won't generate for me? [01:04] (or should be, anyway; base-installer is finicky) [01:04] crb: (a) you probably want to use apt-ftparchive nowadays instead, (b) Task: headers [01:05] I'm skipping tasksel so I'm less worried about those [01:05] we don't use tasksel either [01:06] the installer is trying to install linux-386 and failing because l-i-386 is not installable and l-r-m-386 is not going to be installed. Yet all of the packages are in the pool and in the right place... [01:06] they're used by archive-copier and base-config. however if you aren't installing the desktop and don't care about preserving the "CD used only in first stage of install" thing then Task: headers probably won't be necessary [01:07] did you keep all the dependencies of those? they're not all linux-* [01:07] particularly in the case of l-r-m [01:07] I'm reasonably sure I did, but I might have missed something [01:07] failing that, try 'chroot /target apt-get install linux-386' and start drilling down by hand [01:08] as in, try each package in turn until you get a useful error [01:08] there are a couple of packages that caused me grief; I removed everything that ubuntu-desktop dragged in, and it ended up removing libsasl2 and lsb-* for some reason [01:08] I'm doing that already; the errors aren't that useful :( === dhonn [~dhonn@rrcs-66-27-52-190.west.biz.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:09] just 'couldn't find packages' for those packages [01:09] but they're there, on the CD, same place... [01:09] apt-get doesn't look through the pool itself; it uses the Packages indices [01:09] it won't matter a dime whether they're actually on the CD if they're missing from Packages [01:09] I checked the Packages indices for the files, and they were actually there [01:10] ok === crb looks harder [01:11] might also be worth checking whether /target/etc/apt/sources.list got set up correctly === Kamion has to wander off for a bit; should really actually attend this keynote [01:11] you at linux.conf.au? [01:12] aha - Packages.gz MD5SUM mismatch === luis_ [~louie@150.203.247.9] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:18] do we have a page stating when people will be in sydney? [01:19] hey lamont [01:19] lamont: when will you be here? sunday? [01:20] dholbach: I arrive at 6AM saturday, for a day of running around sydney before I'm supposed to be tehre [01:20] lamont: cool [01:20] lamont: we can show you the nice spots ;-) [01:20] heh [01:20] coolness [01:20] hrm... need to get back to the power supply [01:21] sydney really rocks# [01:22] I hope you're all looking forward to coming to New Zealand for lca next year :) [01:23] lca in .nz?... But.. But.. That would be lcnz... [01:23] [01:24] I'm totally looking forward to lcanz [01:24] lcapr [01:24] now in papua new guinea [01:28] lamont: Bandwidth available for a few hours [01:31] milli: hrm... doing ok here I think,.. [01:31] or was that a dinner invite? === trulux [~lorenzo@trulux.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel === alex_g [~alex@pD9FF9F80.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:35] do you plan an update from evolution 2.2.1.1 to 2.2.2? [01:37] alex_g: bug #9693 at bugilla.ubuntu.com === mpt [~mpt@203.86.197.132] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:39] elmo: quik-installer is unknown, and not actually in main. [01:47] ahr [01:47] jdub [01:47] yar [01:47] its a dub! [01:47] ok [01:48] jdub: when we're going to have a beer? [01:49] jdub: or aren't you in sydney atm? probably not... [01:49] nevermind me [01:51] dholbach: heh, no, in canberra atm [01:51] dholbach: i will see you on sunday or monday :) [01:53] jdub: cool, i'm sure we all need some "warming up" for UDU, in the one way or the other :-) === zul [~chuck@CPE0006258ec6c2-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === chuck_ [~chuck@198.62.158.205] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra [~ogra@CPE-60-225-18-37.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ironwolf [~ironwolf@c-24-6-169-124.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:13] hmmm [02:14] remove the MD5SUMS from the Release file in dists/ and the installer complains about not finding the other Packages[,.gz] files === bluefoxicy [~bluefox@pcp484971pcs.whtmrs01.md.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:19] zyga: yo [02:19] evidently my allocator almost but not quite works ;) [02:19] (it's generating negative-sized allocations) [02:23] is ac3 still broken in mplayer? === herzi [~herzi@c128039.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach [~daniel@CPE-60-225-18-37.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jlj [~agp@host-81-191-64-79.bluecom.no] has joined #ubuntu-devel === aj [aj-irc@azure.humbug.org.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:27] hey dholbach === mpt [~mpt@203.86.197.132] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [02:32] hey zul [02:32] how is it going? [02:33] zul: very nice... brainstorming with seb128 [02:33] cool [02:34] zul: you'll be here in sydney? [02:34] nope...unforutnately maybe the next one [02:35] oh, i'm sorry :-/ [02:35] besides my wife would whine forever if she couldnt go :) [02:35] ah... i understand === pitti [~pitti@CPE-60-225-18-37.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:38] pitti : still enjoying Sydney, or are you sick of it already? [02:39] infinity: it's a bit rainy today, time for preparing some BoFs and writing some postcards :-) But it's fine, there are still things I want to do here === metallikop is now known as kop|gone [02:51] crb: LCA> yeah === seb128 [~seb@CPE-60-225-18-37.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:51] crb: you have to update the md5sums/sizes in Release, and then figure out what to do about Release.gpg === luis_ is now known as lu|away [02:52] replacing the ubuntu-keyring package with one that includes your key is an option :) we're going to talk at UDU about how to make this less gratuitously painful [02:52] Kamion: and "what to do about Release.gpg" is to generate a new key, and add that to the ubuntu-keyring package, which you also update, and iterate... [02:54] Kamion: actually... if memory serves, there are other ways to abuse it much nicer... [02:55] lamont: what to do about it> making apt just get a grip and not care about authentication on CDs is my preferred option :) [02:55] ISTR that my custom dvd this time around, I left the root tree alone, added an /extras/ directory, and just dropped a complete archive under that (which had an updateded ubuntu-keying, etc) [02:55] as in, not care if it's missing altogether [02:55] since the installer looks for all the Packages files on the CD, you get the new stuff, and I didn't have to pollute the actual release tree [02:56] of course, cd-checker probably doesn't like that too much [02:57] shouldn't think it'd care [02:59] even better... /me didn't check === lamont beats egenix-mx-base [03:00] 66841151728a06f92d0b8dd2ed317a29 egenix-mx-base_2.0.6.orig.tar.gz [03:00] 6989793b7cb6b577be9ebfdd554884ac egenix-mx-base_2.0.6.orig.tar.gz [03:00] hrm.... what's wrong with that picture === lamont prepares to upload 2.0.6ubuntu1-1ubuntu1 [03:02] elmo, around ? === A_Alam [~a_alam@202.41.228.162] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:11] hey seb128 [03:12] dholbach, nice to see you again [03:17] mdz: around? === jp [~jp@200.126.81.212] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:17] where have I to go to report a broken package? [03:18] jp: universe or main? [03:18] universe [03:19] libgnome-cil (gtk-sharp) === lamont waits for dholbach to take that question] \ [03:19] ok =) [03:19] I was trying to get libgnome-cil but: libgnome-cil: depends of: libgda2-1 (>= 1.1.99) but it's not installable [03:19] jeje =) [03:20] although the question is actually off-topic for here (it's on-topic for #ubuntu) [03:20] yep I know === lamont wonders why jp asked it here then... [03:20] jp: you might ask tseng for mono stuff [03:20] but I knot too it's a error, I know the package is broken 'cause I've installed it before without problems === kop|gone is now known as metallikop [03:20] dholbach ok thanks = [03:20] dholbach ok thanks =P [03:20] dholbach: I was thinking more generically - where does one report universe bugs these days?/ === mdz_ [~mdz@150.203.247.9] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:21] aha! mdz_ is here [03:21] lamont: malone [03:21] mdz_ libgnome-cil is broken =( [03:21] jp: my aha was totally unrelated to your item [03:22] oh sorry [03:22] :( [03:22] tseng I was trying to get libgnome-cil but: libgnome-cil: depends of: libgda2-1 (>= 1.1.99) but it's not installable [03:22] xD [03:22] mdz_: you really here, or just being bouncy-bouncy? [03:22] people, just wait for breezy breakage stuff [03:23] that's going to be fixed but not now [03:23] seb128 ok [03:23] seb128: *g*, how's sydney? [03:23] but I tried the hoary libgnome-cil too [03:23] and it gets the same error.. [03:23] crappy weather, out of this that rocks :) [03:24] seb128: fwiw, I'm hoping to finish filing bugs on all the breezy ftbfs stuff todate [03:24] sometime before I sleep [03:24] I mean when you don't get hurt by the sun it rains :p [03:24] ! [03:24] jp: after udu [03:24] seb128: *giggle* [03:24] jp: breezy is broken for now, we're all dealing [03:25] and their local beer (VB) is soooo good [03:25] lamont, no hurry, I'll not fix any package this week [03:25] so tseng thanks :( [03:25] seb128: yeah - but I want a reasonably clean slate before I get on the plane tomorrow [03:25] right [03:25] I've only 600 bugs on my list [03:26] some 50 new should not change a lot *g* [03:26] dholbach: i *really* hope you're joking [03:26] at least I'm not top of the list of bug assignees ;) [03:26] thom: why? [03:26] a friend of mine actually likes VB *boggle* [03:26] dholbach: you *like* VB? [03:26] german guys have no taste at all [03:27] thom: you're used to wrong sort of beer ;-) [03:27] even .auians know vb is bad [03:27] Kamion: who is? /me bets seb128 (well, ignoring debzilla@, that is)( [03:27] thom, they are just german, don't be that rude with them [03:27] I'll have to find some coopers heritage for you [03:27] yes, thom, i do :-) [03:27] dholbach: dude, vb is not beer, it's water with some added alcohol [03:27] lamont: no idea :) [03:27] Kamion: having to sign Release.gpg sounds like altogether too much work. Can't we just have the installer ignore signing? ;) [03:27] lamont: although I'd bet the same [03:27] crb: that's what I said ... [03:27] hrm, i'm open for suggestions :-) [03:27] yeah [03:28] 01:55 < Kamion> lamont: what to do about it> making apt just get a grip and not care about authentication on CDs is my preferred option :) [03:28] it's not the installer's fault === camilotelles [~camilot@200199059115.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nullaresnata [~henriquem@cb-217-129-175-184.netvisao.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ikuyaLoqu [~ikuya@openblocks.good-day.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === infinity blinks. [03:41] Someone likes VB? [03:41] seb128: gonna just fix gtk-doc for you, since it's trivial [03:41] infinity: lies. [03:42] Kamion: agreed [03:42] daniels : dholbach claims he does. [03:42] lamont, thanls [03:42] thanks even [03:42] pitti, mvo, ogra, doko, riddell, amu: back me up :-) [03:42] can anybody drop e-d-s1.2 from the archive ? [03:42] dholbach : You mean, there are SEVERAL people who like VB? [03:43] daniels, thom : Time to fork the company. === Zugot [~bryan@pcp0010860530pcs.longhl01.md.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:43] sissies :-) [03:43] seb128: is the old 'jade needs to be before docbook-dsssl in build-deps' thing === cc [~cc@byte.fedora] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:44] lamont: nope. [03:44] tseng: ?? [03:44] eds got pulled in from sid [03:44] it doesnt belond [03:44] s/d/g [03:45] tseng: right... and my comment was on gtk-doc's ftbfs... [03:45] ok, you guys can all drink VB [03:45] just don't force it upon us :P [03:45] lamont: missed that [03:45] sleep time [03:45] daniels: and here I was starting to be afraid that they meant visual basic [03:45] daniels: what do you suggest? :-) [03:45] lamont : Almost as vile. [03:45] lamont: hahahaah [03:46] infinity: the so-called language is almost as vile, or the drink is? [03:46] dholbach: coopers pale ale, james squire porter, james squire golden ale, emersons chocolate stout, coopers heritage [03:46] lamont: thanks for your idea re extras, I think I'll do that [03:46] pretty much anything else except tooheys new or anything with 'light' in the name [03:46] will cause far less pain down the track [03:46] oh, an beez neez too [03:46] boags STRONG ARM [03:47] daniels: ahhhh ok - we have the drink store like 10 meters from here :-) === infinity suggests dholbach and the boys try some FourX... [03:47] hi dholbach [03:47] [03:47] infinity: oh man. [03:48] hey schweeb [03:48] see you're planning on getting properly sloshed tonight, hehe [03:48] bob2: boags original bitter (in the tubes) is actually very good. garish yellow tubes. [03:48] infinity: are you doing the modutils merge? [03:48] lamont : Unless you want it.. [03:48] lamont : it's on my TODO this afternoon. [03:48] more power to you... [03:49] otherwise, since it's my package in debian... :-) [03:49] what a nice version number: 20040816.BlameClockworkOrange-auto.3-1 [03:49] mind you, 'tis better for someone with a 2.4 kernel to actually do the work... :-) [03:49] lamont : Oh, if you're upstream, then take it. :) [03:49] infinity: I have no 2.4 kernel boxen atm [03:49] lamont : I can't have a 2.4 kernel anymore, since jbailey screwed me. :) === luis_ [~louie@150.203.247.9] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:50] infinity: I'll go ahead and take it then [03:50] lamont : (I run on PowerPC, glibc 2.3.5 on PPC doesn't support linux_threads, no more 2.4 for me) [03:50] heh [03:50] I guess I can see if the i386 box I have will actually boot a 2.4 kernel from universe [03:50] lamont : Just remember to reassign it to yourself, so I don't complete forgot this conversation in 2 hours and do it anyway. :) === Keybuk [~scott@150.203.247.9] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:51] s/complete/completely/ [03:51] s/forgot/forget/ too. Gah. I'm turning Japanese. [03:51] daniels: you want a bug for l-r-m hating gcc-4.0, or you gonna just have fixed it already./ [03:51] ? [03:52] infinity: reassigned === infinity hums the Vapors song, and goes back to work. === lamont files a lrm bug [03:52] can somebody fix my shit? :/ [03:52] bluefoxicy: no [03:52] apparently the code I wrote for managing miniallocs has been producing allocations of negative size [03:53] oh [03:53] and Xine segfaults on amd64 [03:53] I used to get around this by disabling the enforcement of PROT_EXEC when I used a pax kernel [03:53] (paxctl is nice) [03:54] so like, somebody from universe should look into fixing xine-lib [03:54] since it's infinitely better with video than the choppy ass gstreamer0.8 crap that jerks and renders poorly and freezes if you seek more than 3 times [03:54] lamont: i'll take the bug, yo [03:54] (i.e. totem) [03:55] daniels: how goes, anything sweet coming up for xorg? [03:56] daniels: 9984 [03:56] bluefoxicy: does it work with the debian xine-lib? cause breezy is synced now, afaik... [03:56] schweeb: not sure. [03:56] I need a source of massive income. [03:56] that'd be a good place to start [03:56] if I had $200 to blow, I'd put out a bounty on like, a driver for my broadcom card in my laptop [03:57] if it was fixed in the sync, it's probably not worth your while to complain about it [03:57] bluefoxicy: i'm really enjoying my one-week holiday :P [03:57] schweeb: i'll try. [03:57] daniels: heh. [03:57] working on xorg upstream, as it happens [03:58] daniels: heh. So is there a hardware nvidia dri driver now with hardware 3D and a kernel driver? === bluefoxicy is getting tired of nvidia's shit. === stuNNed_ [~stuNNed@adsl-068-209-149-165.sip.msy.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:59] It even crashes under DEP on Windows on amd64, much less PaX on Linux [03:59] i have no specs from nvidia. they maintain the 'open source' driver as well as the proprietary one; i have no insight into them. [04:00] daniels: so put a logic analyzer in the kernel? :P [04:01] lamont: I'm sort of half-here === ogra [~ogra@CPE-60-225-18-37.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:03] mdz_: is it better for me to have you sync a debian bug, or just file one and add the alias to snarf everything? [04:03] bluefoxicy: too complex [04:03] also not worth it for a vendor that will only go more and more closed [04:03] they're not going to say 'oh well, someone's got it half-figured out, might as well release our driver' [04:04] bearing in mind that the r300.sf.net guys were working from the r200 source and also have 2d docs for r300 [04:05] schweeb: no updated xine-lib in breezy === pitti_ [~pitti@CPE-60-225-18-37.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:07] what's after breezy? RaunchyRacoon? FurryFox? [04:08] cheerful crow, just for Kamion [04:08] chipper crow? [04:09] counted crow [04:09] bitter bear. [04:11] curious cat === stub [~stub@203-217-40-144.perm.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:12] brilliant bikeshed [04:12] I hate cats though, I might have to skip a release if we named it something like that :p [04:12] Sure, a bikeshed isn't an animal, but I think it makes a statement. :) [04:13] hrm [04:13] I like kitties [04:13] I just had a lightbulb turn on === bluefoxicy likes furry things [04:13] we have the porn backgrounds, why not have porn release names :P [04:14] the backgrounds should be furries :p [04:14] "raunchy randi" or something hehe === moyogo [~moyogo@69.156.166.86] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:14] actually === bluefoxicy knows tons of furry artists [04:15] that's disturbing. [04:15] maybe I can get some to sketch me backgrounds [04:15] and I can color them [04:16] schweeb: there's more disturbing things. [04:16] not many [04:17] hey you're the one with the distro named all after personified animals === dholbach liked SneezySnail a lot [04:18] I liked grumpy groundhog :) [04:18] I'm a grumpy person myself [04:18] so it would have fit quite well [04:18] schweeb: oh no... you're not [04:20] dholbach: oh, I am, with stupid people. Luckily most of the people around here aren't so. But the few who are know who they are.... /me glares at them [04:20] i'm constantly surrounded by stupidity. [04:20] I work in retail. [04:20] I've got you beat, I work in the financial industry. [04:21] (for one more week, at least) [04:21] ha. [04:21] I work in government. [04:21] WINNER [04:21] :) [04:21] although, financial stuff has to be a close second ;) [04:22] dholbach: passed my bg check and everything, start my new job next friday! === Nasdaq7 [gfhgfa@tkp-ip-nas-1-p48.telkom-ipnet.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Nasdaq7 [gfhgfa@tkp-ip-nas-1-p48.telkom-ipnet.co.za] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [04:23] schweeb: woohoo :-) [04:25] ogra: done [04:26] dholbach, great :) [04:28] http://rafb.net/paste/results/lcaHUV32.html :/ [04:28] debugging data from my allocator, I'm making negative allocations. [04:29] bob2: the collective noun for crows is 'murder' [04:34] can some please help me, where i can add my langauge to ubuntu5.x? [04:35] A_Alam: you mean desktop translations? [04:35] A_Alam: the easiest method is to just start to translate applications on Rosetta [04:35] pitti, for liveCD, i want to boot in my lang [04:36] A_Alam: -> #ubuntu, please [04:36] desktop i m using Rosetta [04:36] pitti, thanks [04:43] A_Alam: can you please file a bug against debian-installer about adding Punjabi to the list of langs? [04:44] k, === jsgotangco [~jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cc [~cc@byte.fedora] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cc [~cc@byte.fedora] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nullaresnata [~henriquem@cb-217-129-175-184.netvisao.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:56] ajmitch: ping [04:57] tseng: ping === fabbione [~fabbione@port49.ds1-van.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:07] Hi fabbione [05:07] fabbione: don't mind going to sleep? === luis_ [~louie@150.203.247.9] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:10] see you later === TerminX [~terminx@terminx.envision7.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:19] morning === Mithrandir kicks perl in the nuts [05:21] guess it's about time for me to go to bed, fabbione's up :) [05:21] heh :P [05:22] <3 perl though [05:22] eheh [05:22] hey fabbione [05:22] it's just so broken; perl includes a config.h file. [05:23] heh [05:25] hey ogra [05:27] daniels: I tossed 9997 at you, hope you don't mind... :)) [05:28] lamont: libxss-dev, yo [05:32] lamont: did you start filing FTBFS bugs around? [05:34] fabbione : Yes, there are a few. [05:35] Bug 10000 has been added to the database [05:35] fabbione: yes [05:35] infinity: i have a few tons on sparc :) [05:35] lamont: if you have a list of packages, it would be a good idea to compare them with the sparcc buildd "needsreallove" mailbox [05:35] lamont: apparently gcc-4 is not behaving properly on all arches [05:36] not in the same way at least [05:36] fabbione: among the fun ones... g77-3.4 is in universe, but g77 depends on it. libtiffxx0 is in universe, but libtiff4 depends on it... [05:36] etc. [05:36] lamont: yes.. that's why there is also a "builddep" forlder :) === burner [~burner@c-67-165-222-247.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Unfrgiven [~ankur@cfshbr-c17-1.atm-8-35.CoffsHarbour.dft.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Keybuk [~scott@150.203.247.9] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lamont ponders whether or not it's valid for a package to require the existance of a working resolver in the chroot in order to build [05:49] or rather, whether or not it's legal to require that 'localhost' resolve. [05:49] hmm that should always be resolvable via /etc/hosts [05:49] fabbione: not when there's no /etc/hosts in the chroot (hasn't been one yet... finally got a failure) [05:51] fabbione: hence I have to decide if I believe that it's really something that belongs in a minimal chroot, or if it's a valid FTBFS... [05:51] what pkg is that? [05:51] with the exception of libapache2-mod-perl2, ipsec-tools, and iptraf, I'm done with my bonafide ftbfs's [05:51] libapache2-mod-perl2 [05:53] hmm i have /etc/hosts and that's bootstrapping the chroot with --variant=buildd [05:53] meh no [05:53] but i have a resolv.conf [05:53] right [05:53] and a dns that resolvs all possible combination of localhost :) [05:53] not so in the data center.. :-) [05:54] my dc > london dc [05:54] :P [05:54] daniels: why does x drop .pc files in usr/X11R6/lib/pkgconfig/ ? [05:56] Mithrandir: because ProjectRoot is /usr/X11R6, and the monolithic tree is crap [05:56] you won't have to wait long for those to disappear; don't worry [05:56] daniels: make the directory a symlink or something. [05:56] in the build [05:56] daniels: have you decided to kill X11R6 for breezy? [05:56] I'd like to get pkgconfig in Debian and Ubuntu in sync [05:57] fabbione: yes [05:57] Mithrandir: ARGH M YEYES [05:57] Mithrandir: just be patient and /usr/X11R6/lib will be a symlink [05:58] and you can kill that nasty hack [05:58] daniels:_ just X11R6 . [05:58] everything will come up of one layer and match FHS [05:58] :) [05:58] daniels: it's not a nasty hack any more, it's just annoying to not being able to get elmo to sync. [06:00] Mithrandir: yeah [06:00] fabbione: heh :) somet hings are moving though, e.g. fonts to /usr/share [06:00] fabbione: so easier to make more fine-grained symlinks === cc [~cc@freedesktop.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:08] lamont : It's certainly valid for a package to spawn a temporary daemon to do loopback selftests during build (IMO), so if localhost can't resolve, are you going to tell them to use 127.0.0.1?... === abelli [debian-tor@135726c5c1029db6.node.tor] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:12] pitti: pong [06:13] ajmitch: you are doing SELinux stuff? I'm on the list of people for the SELinux BoF, but I have no clue about the technical details of SELinux [06:13] ajmitch: I do grsecurity on my machines... [06:13] ajmitch: can you lead the BoF? [06:13] yes, I am.. [06:13] ajmitch: or tseng? [06:13] yeah, I can probably do that [06:14] ajmitch: would be cool; can you put some ideas on the BoF page? [06:14] ajmitch: I will take a look at the page tomorrow if there is something at it, and do some comments maybre [06:14] sure, I'll try & do that over the next couple of days before I leave, not much time right now :) === johanbr [~j@d154-20-147-79.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stuNNed [~stuNNed@stunned.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:24] infinity: that's the question of the day... it should probably resolve.. [06:24] but I want to sleep on it. === wasabi [~wasabi@c-24-1-61-51.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jk [~jochem@jkossen.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === johanbr [~j@d154-20-147-79.bchsia.telus.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === JanC [~janc@JanC.member.lugwv] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:35] hi all. im not a ubuntu developer but am keen to get involved in linux development work. i am going to be at UDU next week as a way to find out how to get involved. does anyone have any suggestions as to what i can do in the meanwhile (myself). my strengths lie in C, C++ and perl. I've been a debian user for about 3+ years now. [06:36] lamont : We removed a test from php4's configure that tried to resolve localhost "just in case", but I'd be more inclined to say it should be a buildd requirement anyway. [06:37] Unfrgiven: if you want to maintain packages, the MOTU (Masters of The Universe) team is probably for you. [06:37] Unfrgiven: probably best of asking that kind of question in #ubuntu-love or #ubuntu-motu [06:37] Mithrandir: yeah i'd very much be interested in package maintenance [06:37] as Mithrandir says, you really need to be working with MOTU [06:37] thom: thanks, i'll check that out. apologies for intruding in the wrong channel. [06:38] Unfrgiven: no problem. There's also a fair amount of stuff on the wiki [06:38] Unfrgiven: pleae see wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU [06:38] please^ === Diablo-D3 [diablo-d3@65.99.191.230] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:38] hey all [06:38] I was thinking [06:38] ubuntu needs a package called ubuntu [06:39] that you can just apt-get, and it installs everything that a default install of ubuntu has [06:39] Diablo-D3: you mean ubuntu-desktop? [06:40] (or kubuntu-desktop for kubuntu) [06:40] er [06:40] woah [06:40] that may be what I want [06:40] but does it literally include everything? [06:40] including things that arnt desktop related? === milli [~milli@phantom.acmeps.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:41] A default ubuntu installation is pretty desktop oriented. [06:41] it depends on ubuntu-base and so on [06:41] Ooh [06:41] thats exactly what I'm looking for then [06:41] (mainly cause the server installation doesn't have much of anything, because no two server admins can ever agree on what they think the "default" packages should be) === UbuntuGet [~gustav@gw5.web.thalamus.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:41] infinity: the default server installation should be debian. [06:41] ie, minimalistic as possible [06:42] but still possible to boot and support most hardware [06:42] and not suck that bad [06:43] hrm, question [06:43] why does it depend on x-window-system-core and not x-window-system? [06:44] Because x-window-system pulls in default window managers and session managers and such that people don't want. [06:44] infinity: that, and installing daemons that only listen on 127.0.0.1 by default is kinda painful for the admins... hence the proposal to remove all MTA's from ubuntu-base [06:44] (like twm and zdm and whatnot) [06:44] lamont : Yeah, agreed. [06:44] ahh [06:44] s/zdm/xdm/ [06:45] doesnt a linux system require an MTA? [06:45] Diablo-D3: the server install is ubuntu-base [06:45] Diablo-D3: no.. LSB does, but you can require that they install a package for conformance [06:45] hrm === Diablo-D3 seriously cant imagine a life without a mta [06:45] *My* systems all require an MTA of some sort, but the average end-user system certainly doesn't. [06:46] there are better ways to get root mail to where the end-user will notice it... (see update notifier for example) [06:46] then again I use fetchmail and procmail ;) [06:46] How often does my mom mail my dad on the local machine? [06:46] infinity: yes [06:46] gimp-python: Depends: python (< 2.4) but 2.4.1-0ubuntu2 is to be installed [06:46] wtf [06:46] Diablo-D3: can't imagine it either... but really it's life without an MUA that you can't really imagine, esp if you're an enduser [06:47] Diablo-D3: if that's a pure ubuntu repository, then there's a little bug... hoary or breezy? [06:47] oh gar! [06:47] thats my fault [06:47] mix-n-match is _BAD_ === Diablo-D3 's gimp-python is nwer than whats in ubuntu [06:47] and my gimp-python has python (<< 2.5), python (>= 2.4) [06:47] heh [06:48] apt_preferences(5) is your friend for crossgrading sid->ubuntu [06:48] crossgrading? [06:48] if you decide to take a debian system to ubuntu, after upstream-version-freeze, you can't really call it an upgrade, since you wind up down-reving some packages [06:49] neither is it a downgrade. [06:49] therefore, it's a crossgrade [06:49] ahh [06:49] and therein lies some understanding of why it's not an officially supported way of getting ubuntu on your machine... [06:49] I'm used to dealing with broken stuff [06:49] dealing with ->ubuntu is pretty easy [06:50] yeah - my crossgrade trick is to pin ubuntu at somewhere around 1600, and let apt have its way [06:51] yow 224 megs [06:51] for what? sid->hoary? sounds about right [06:52] (new kernel, X, gnome, for starters...) [06:52] (anything 1001 and over is high enough to force downgrades) [06:52] and I'm going to have to play the deboprhan game too probably [06:52] lamont : You just like to make sure apt got the point, I take it? :) [06:52] yeah, I dont even have gnome installed atm [06:53] last time I did it, I pinned it high, did the apt-get dist-upgrade, and then dumped the package list and compared it to the Packages file, to see what things I had installed that weren't from ubuntu-main... etc, etc. [06:53] infinity: yeah :-) === wasabi_ [~wasabi@c-24-1-61-51.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:53] infinity: truthfully, couldn't remember off the cuff if it was {>,>=}{1000,1500} [06:53] but 1600 meets all of those options. :-) [06:53] hrm [06:53] Heh. [06:53] do any applications actually use mDNS? === lamont shrugs === lamont notes that we're pretty off-topic for #ubuntu-devel [06:54] I'm only asking because I didnt see it on the list [06:54] I really wish people would stop switching patch systems on a whim. [06:54] infinity: from what to what, I wonder? [06:55] In this case, simple-patchsys to dpatch, including moving a bunch of files around. [06:55] Which means a completely buggered merge attempt by MOM (whou THOUGHT she got it mostly right, that's the scary part) [06:55] s/whou/who/ [06:56] The really great part of this diff is the 3.2 megs for a uuencoded binary MOM is trying to move back to where she thinks it should live. :) [06:57] infinity: you mean scm? === Diablo-D3 must be lagging [06:58] --- Ping reply from infinity : 63.11 second(s) === daniels notes that this channel is for Ubuntu development. [07:01] daniels, hmm.... reading up it looks like #ubuntu-crossgrade [07:01] hrm, I'm trying to find the policy on trying to become an ubuntu maintainer [07:01] Diablo-D3: it's on the wiki,. [07:01] is it still like trying to become a debian one? [07:01] Diablo-D3, see the MOTU pages on the wiki === Diablo-D3 looks [07:02] Diablo-D3: easier and harder. [07:02] well, is the policy on pgp keys still retarded? [07:02] Diablo-D3: see the wiki pages === Diablo-D3 has a slow connection [07:03] so wait a second =P [07:03] (frankly, can't remember) [07:04] ahah, masters of the universe === abelli [0@3eb9dad6404f53fd.node.tor] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lamont would like beat whoever thought it would be good for gcc-4.0 to hijack user space names. (specifically 'log' and 'errors') [07:06] looks like a difficult process [07:06] Diablo-D3: yeah, but actually getting involved in making things happen is trivial. [07:07] thats what the debian project said [07:07] it's what I've witnessed here [07:07] well, hopefully you're right [07:07] Diablo-D3: ask ogra [07:07] I never bothered actually helping the debian project because they are so retarded about how stuff should work [07:08] Diablo-D3: please a) stop being a twat ('well, is the policy on pgp keys still retarded?'), and b) move this off-topic discussion out of #ubuntu-devel. [07:08] anti-debian rants are not on topic here. === mode/#ubuntu-devel [+o daniels] by ChanServ [07:08] lamont: so hopefully the ubuntu community is more friendly. [07:09] calling debian 'retarded' is not one way to win that friendship and respect. [07:09] Diablo-D3: I've found both communities to be quite friendly, but it's really an off-topic item [07:10] yeah, we really need an offtopic channel for #ubuntu-devel [07:10] #ubuntu-offtopic. === Diablo-D3 was hoping someone would volunteer to make one [07:12] it's already there. [07:20] lamont: log() is specified by C99 [07:20] erm, and POSIX? [07:20] you can -fno-builtin-log or similar though === ogra wonders how to get a priorityassigned to his BOF [07:21] who sets it ? mdz ? [07:21] Kamion: nah, I'll just rename the variable [07:22] I bet 'errors' is defined in there somewhere too [07:22] lamont: can you take a look at gtk+2.0 situation on the buildds? [07:22] lamont: for some reasons sparc managed to build it... [07:22] lamont: all the other arches are claiming a missing Build-Dep ? [07:23] 'errors' is not in C99; I don't know what that's about [07:24] fabbione: you have a polluted chroot [07:24] libtiff4-dev: Depends: libtiffxx0 (= 3.7.2-2) but it is not installable [07:24] libtiffxx0 is in universe, and hence libtiff4-dev is uninstallabkle [07:24] unless you have universe in sources.list, which you shouldn't when building main packages [07:25] or maybe you haven't successfully built libtiff4-dev yet... [07:25] lamont: the chroot is cleaned daily... [07:26] and i split main/universe. so it is probably the libtiff4 [07:26] fabbione: I don't doubt you - was just rattling off the possibilities [07:27] fabbione: the new kernel will have inotify? === Keybuk [~scott@150.203.247.9] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:27] ogra: not sure who the final authority is on priorities, but mdz would certainly know... [07:27] tiff: [07:27] Package : tiff [07:27] Version : 3.7.2-2 [07:27] State : Installed [07:27] Installed-Version : 3.7.2-2 [07:27] ARGH [07:27] sorry for the flood [07:27] hehe [07:27] Mithrandir: yes. [07:28] Mithrandir: the new one is working [07:28] fabbione: any ETA? :) [07:28] Mithrandir: as soon as we can upload... [07:28] fabbione: and does libtiff4-dev Depend: libtiffxx0? [07:28] and if so, where is libtiffxx0? [07:28] lamont: checking... [07:29] libtiffxx0 (= 3.7.2-2) [07:29] Source: tiff [07:29] ???? === fabbione scratches his head [07:30] lamont: for what i can see libtiffxx0 comes out of tiff [07:30] so given that you build tiff, you have both... [07:31] fabbione: right. but libtiffxx0 is in UNIVERSE, not MAIN. [07:31] and if you can install libtiff4-dev, then you have it in MAIN [07:31] lamont: not for me... [07:31] it took the package from the incoming cache [07:32] ==universe [07:32] since sparc.u.c isn't updated regularly, i need to rely on a local cache [07:32] so that would explain the situation [07:32] yes [07:32] mind you, the correct fix is probably to promote libtiffxx0 [07:32] i think there is no other option [07:33] otherwise 3/4 of main is stalled === fabbione starts to believe that all this sparc buildd affair is bringing up interesting aspects of main/universe [07:34] fabbione: the alternative is to eliminate the dependency [07:34] which may or may not be a good idea, of course... :) [07:34] lamont: well, but if they depend on eachother, there might be a reason :) [07:34] yeah exactly [07:34] i would say to promote it === UbuntuGet [~gustav@gw5.web.thalamus.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:35] it's just a very simple lib [07:35] nothing fancy in it [07:35] yeah - I haven't looked. === rjo [~jordens@rjo.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:36] fabbione: and once ports.u.c is in place, sparc should update cleanly and regularly [07:36] lamont: yes, i am aware of it [07:36] but i can't do otherwise atm [07:37] i used to have a cache of 2 hours, that was pretty safe [07:37] build -> upload -> cache -> rsync -> kill cache [07:37] so the chroot was exposed only for 2 hours on pks in transit to archive === fabbione hopes elmo will find the time to bring up ports soon [07:39] Kamion: modutils_2.4.27.0-2ubuntu1 uploaded, just for yuou [07:40] lamont: we need to hug elmo really hard at UDU to get ports up.. and shell out some money for beer ;) [07:40] wow. 1 more hour and ia64 might have a gcc-4.0 :) === mirak [~mirak@AAubervilliers-152-1-7-223.w82-121.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:41] fabbione: yes. must be very nice to him at UDU.... [07:41] not sure about the beer angle, though... don't want him setting it up while he's intoxicated... [07:41] lamont: ehhe i didn't even jump in his bed in London :) [07:41] fabbione: TMI [07:42] :-) [07:44] ehe === mdz_ [~mdz@150.203.247.9] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:54] Kamion, mdz_: can we promote libtiffxx0 to main please? === aisipos [~anton@dsl081-081-225.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:57] lamont: thanks, will look at that when I come to fix busybox-cvs - hopefully fairly soon === chris38-home3 [~Christian@82.127.81.96] has joined #ubuntu-devel === elbi [~elbi@cpe.atm2-0-1071006.0x50a0824e.abnxx3.customer.tele.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:05] heh.. someone needs to get them more NAT IP's at LCA - or teach OPN about them === lamont heads for bed. [08:06] night lamont === Burgundavia [~corey@24.68.135.21] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Keybuk [~scott@150.203.247.9] has joined #ubuntu-devel === monkey- [~michael@222-152-244-96.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:25] jbailey: i think i found the bug in glibc about ipv4 being preferred over ipv6 [08:25] jbailey: i am going to do a test build pretty soon [08:25] fabbione: Cool. === spacey [~spacey@flits101-191.flits.rug.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:26] Is it something caused by a local patch, or somethign in upstream? [08:26] upstream [08:26] glibc doesn't have bugs, fabbione. It's all in your head. [08:26] 'kay. =( MEans I'll have to figure out why it changed. [08:26] That's what jbailey keeps telling me. [08:26] fabbione: your 2.6.12 seems to have dropped the patch to i810 drm [08:26] i915 rather, sorry [08:27] mjg59: i dropped everything that was named stolen-from-upstream* [08:27] mjg59: for .12 they should find their way to upstream [08:28] fabbione: hm. The one I sent you didn't come from upstream. [08:29] It was a single line patch that changed the version number in the driver [08:29] mjg59: let me check... [08:31] mjg59: right.. i am readding it [08:31] mjg59: dunno why i thought it was coming from upstream [08:32] No problem [08:33] Nodes: 3 [08:33] Expected_votes: 3 [08:33] Total_votes: 3 [08:33] YAY [08:33] 3 nodes cluster! === jk_ [~jochem@jkossen.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:37] mjg59: done... === rubenv [~lambda1@kotnet-148.kulnet.kuleuven.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LeeJunFan [junfan@64-186-37-120.skycon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ups [~ups@203.200.160.36] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Seveas [~seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === fwiffo [~fwiffo@dhcpserver0.oersted.dtu.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mdz_ [~mdz@150.203.247.9] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:16] fabbione: does it have any dependencies which are not in main? [09:18] doesn't seem to [09:18] fabbione: done === herzi [~herzi@c208188.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:20] mdz_: thanks === d3vic3 [~d3vic3@dumbledore.hbd.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === spacey [~spacey@145.33.144.127] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:27] whoever's trying to use tilde's in version, stop it [09:27] I thought they were supported now? [09:27] elmo: eww [09:27] (yes, I'm trying to) [09:27] why would anyone want a tilde in a version? [09:28] Diablo-D3: because it means less-than [09:28] Mithrandir: no, they aren't [09:28] erm, ~ means "roughly" in mathspeek. [09:28] < is less than. [09:28] Diablo-D3: read the dpkg source code. [09:29] ... please tell me dpkg didnt rewrite the 2000 year old language of math [09:29] O.o [09:30] Diablo-D3: math doesn't have a concept of sorting. [09:31] elmo: when will they be? [09:31] elmo : Are we still lacking support in some tools, or is it just a question of maintinainig the woody upgrade path for a while longer? [09:31] Mithrandir: meh =/ [09:33] Kamion: there are more debbugs bugs breaking debzilla [09:33] elmo: please sync parted 1.6.21-1 from unstable; OK to overwrite 1.6.20-0.exp.2ubuntu2 [09:34] mdz_: I mentioned the problem to Don Armstrong, who did most of that patch; in the meantime, please mail me bug numbers and I'll fix them [09:34] Mithrandir: when you figure out how sucky a duck is as a logo [09:34] infinity: katie needs fixed [09:34] Kamion: done [09:35] ta [09:37] infinity: see the three newly released firefox vulns? :/ [09:37] elmo: blah. :P [09:39] thom : New, as in post-1.0.3? [09:39] as in fixed in 1.0.3 [09:39] and just unembargoed [09:40] Yeah, I'll do all the 1.0.3 stuff later. [09:40] infinity: 9926 through 9928 [09:40] One pre-1.0.3 upload, one post-1.0.3.. Unless they're simple. [09:40] i'm just gonna do hoary [09:40] Go ahead and do hoary, please. :) [09:41] I've been busy with, well, everything, so I'd rather get some sort of packages uploaded than nothing at all. [09:41] And I intend to force some people at UDU to test the packages before we do an advisory, since they stand a high chance of breaking. [09:42] nods === HiddenWolf [~hidden@136.109.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === GheRivero [~ghe@hiscpdprx01.upsa.es] has joined #ubuntu-devel === azeem [~mbanck@ppp-82-135-13-128.mnet-online.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:59] waa === ogra [~ogra@CPE-60-225-18-37.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:01] ogra, hi === mode/#ubuntu-devel [+b *!*diablo-d3@65.99.191.*] by daniels === Diablo-D3 was kicked off #ubuntu-devel by daniels (wildly offtopic, please go somewhere else) [10:01] jsgotangco, hey [10:02] daniels : Nice reaction time. [10:03] im so tired already i gotta take a day off before i fly off [10:03] my battery was low enough that it refused to resume, given that I'd likely run out of power in a few seconds === mode/#ubuntu-devel [-o daniels] by daniels === A_Alam [~a_alam@202.41.228.162] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _Mike_ [~michael@222-152-244-96.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === overhyped [~mary@adsl-66-203.swiftdsl.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === snaggen [~snaggen@c-897070d5.034-37-73746f12.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === azeem [~mbanck@ppp-82-135-13-128.mnet-online.de] has left #ubuntu-devel ["laters"] === infinity groans as he gets spammed by debzilla. [10:29] ok guys bye bye i might not be online by tommorow see you in UDU === dand [~dand@gw.datagroup.ro] has joined #ubuntu-devel === motaboy [~motaboy@host233-36.pool80182.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mdz [~mdz@ca-studio-bsr1o-251.vnnyca.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:10] hello === ogra [~ogra@CPE-60-225-18-37.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === A_Alam [~a_alam@202.41.228.162] has joined #ubuntu-devel === astharot [debian-tor@14f916288ad176ce.node.tor] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:22] giorno === herzi [~herzi@c208188.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === doko [~doko@CPE-60-225-18-37.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === koke [~koke@155.210.13.152] has joined #ubuntu-devel === trukulo [~trukulo@26.Red-81-45-239.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === eruin [~eruin@eruin.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel === spacey [~spacey@145.33.144.127] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bluefoxicy [~bluefox@pcp484971pcs.whtmrs01.md.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === motaboy [~motaboy@host233-36.pool80182.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra [~ogra@CPE-60-225-18-37.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [~pitti@CPE-60-225-18-37.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [~pitti@CPE-60-225-18-37.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Have] === pitti [~pitti@CPE-60-225-18-37.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:37] Hellas! [12:38] prost === d3vic3 [~d3vic3@dumbledore.hbd.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:39] hey [12:39] fabbione, [12:41] fabbione: aren't u suppose to be flying already ? [12:41] no [12:41] i will leave saturday morning [12:42] oh ok [12:42] pitti: yep i only know selinux basics, would be happier with ajmitch running [12:42] tseng: Hi! ajmitch already agreed to do this more or less :) [12:42] great :) [12:42] humpf 2.6.12rc3 is out === fabbione addes the ubercrack level at his kernel build tree [12:43] hui [12:43] and gcc-4.0.0 is out [12:43] where is doko when we need him?= [12:44] fabbione: he just left to open a bottle of Whiskey [12:44] pitti: and upload after or during the bottle :) [12:44] fabbione: I'm afraid we shouldn't allow him to upload a new gcc after that [12:44] nah [12:44] gggcccc-44.0 [12:44] heh [12:45] ahha [12:45] fabbione: btw, boring week, no new kernel dildos [12:45] fabbione: you already must felt underloved by now [12:46] pitti: better.. i am busy enough already === fabbione branches 2.6.11.90 to start rc3 === martink [~martin@pD9EB2412.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === doko [~doko@CPE-60-225-18-37.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:50] doko put down the bottle of whisky [12:50] gcc-4.0.0 is out [12:51] ETA for the upload? :P [12:51] fabbione: the upload alone will take ~ 3 days from here [12:51] fabbione: bake your rc3 kernel first ;-P === pitti wants to see 2.6.12 FTBFS with gcc 4 [12:51] and watch the fight === pitti fetches the popcorn [12:52] fabbione, hee hasch noh boddl ahnymohr [12:53] doko: dude.. rc3 is already building :) [12:53] pitti: no no.. gcc-3.3 for the kernel... [12:53] fabbione, fix the kernel ;) [12:53] fabbione: but - it will _work_ with gcc 3.3 - where's the fun? === doko prefers the mais more than popcorn as a weapon [12:54] ogra: shut up dude :) [12:54] pitti: there is no fun atm... [12:54] :) [12:54] the fun will come after we get .12 out [12:54] than we will switch compiler [01:07] mmmm, ftbfs [01:12] uhuhu 12rc3 is already building :) [01:13] doko: where is gcc? :P [01:14] doko: MOVE AWAY FROM THE WHISKY BOTTLE ! :P === carlos [~carlos@69.Red-80-33-181.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:22] fabbione: I had a request from a Dutch user for a preview of the .12 kernel -- his ICH6 Intel on-board sound stuff didn't work in .10 [01:23] Treenaks: no preview.. sorry. there are still a few problems that need to be solved before i can push .21 in the archive [01:24] fabbione: ok [01:24] and i really won't be able to help him if the system will mess up [01:24] also.. .12 will be for breezy [01:25] it needs already too much hacking to go in hoary === doko [~doko@CPE-60-225-18-37.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:26] fabbione: yes of course [01:27] fabbione: I asked him to upgrade already, and he installed the meta-packages.. so it should be OK once you declare it final [01:27] if he is on breezy yes [01:28] it will be final when i will push the big red button on my desk with written "Deploy luser automatic system destroier" [01:28] cool, where do I get those? [01:29] Treenaks: the same day you will get baz commit rights on kernel/libc6/gcc/xorg === nullaresnata [~henriquem@cb-217-129-175-184.netvisao.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:29] or grub [01:29] cool === camilotelles [~camilot@200199059115.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Goshawk [~Goshawk@82.53.96.135] has joined #ubuntu-devel === trukulo [~trukulo@26.Red-81-45-239.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Keybuk [~scott@150.203.247.5] has joined #ubuntu-devel === overhyped [~mary@adsl-66-203.swiftdsl.com.au] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === __keybuk [~scott@150.203.247.5] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kent [~kent@c-adc871d5.432-1-64736c13.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:04] lamont: You around? [02:05] hey jbailey [02:06] Heya Fabio! === Goshawk [~Goshawk@82.53.96.135] has joined #ubuntu-devel === koke [~koke@155.210.13.152] has joined #ubuntu-devel === doko [~doko@CPE-60-225-18-37.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === spacey [~spacey@145.33.144.127] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Amaranth [~travis@ip68-229-188-97.om.om.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === doko [~doko@CPE-60-225-18-37.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === doko [~doko@CPE-60-225-18-37.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === jdthood [jdthood@x100.decis.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [~pitti@CPE-60-225-18-37.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mxpxpod [~bryan@wuw-ojr3gmca.dybb.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === spacey [~spacey@145.33.144.127] has joined #ubuntu-devel === chuck_ is now known as zul [02:59] jbailey: morning === msturm [~msturm@t-20-214.athome.tue.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === spacey [~spacey@flits101-191.flits.rug.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === fgx [~fgx@barlach.spin.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === A_Alam [~a_alam@202.41.228.162] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tritium [~mrimbert@ee213-dhcp-5.ecn.purdue.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === adamh [~adam@modemcable051.139-81-70.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:36] php4 doesn't seem to be compiled with the zip extension, and I can't find any packages that provide it. Is my only option to compile from source? === Goshawk [~Goshawk@host135-96.pool8253.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Baby [~nena@baby.kavi.silver.supporter.pdpc] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cc [~cc@freedesktop.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Danten [~danten@h230n10c1o1049.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [~stub@203-217-40-144.perm.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === UbuntuGet [~gustav@gw5.web.thalamus.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === metallikop is now known as kop|gone === kop|gone is now known as metallikop === leonel [~leonel@201.128.135.194] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:20] hello ! firefox1.0.3 was released is there any patch for hoary's firefox 1.0.2 to fix the bugs 1.0.3 fixed ? [04:26] leonel, i'm not a dev, but i think most of the patches are already in ubuntu's firefox === jamin [~jamin@cust-24.241.99.54.cbnstl.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wasabi__ [~wasabi@207.55.180.100] has joined #ubuntu-devel === fgx [~fgx@barlach.spin.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rubenv [~lambda1@kotnet-148.kulnet.kuleuven.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zAo^ [~zAo@zAo.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tortoise_ [~tortoise@81-86-196-118.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === astharot [~isager@d05808e7a306766f.node.tor] has joined #ubuntu-devel === metallikop is now known as kop|gone === kop|gone is now known as metallikop === trukulo [~trukulo@62.57.69.176] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kent [~kent@c-adc871d5.432-1-64736c13.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === trygvebw [~trygvebw@193.216.24.197] has joined #ubuntu-devel === eruin [~eruin@eruin.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:56] Would it be an idea to forward "su" to "sudo -i"? [05:59] trygvebw: feel free to make your own alias. :) [05:59] uniq: Of course :) but i was thinking that it maybe was an idea to include one as standard in Ubuntu? [05:59] no [05:59] too confusing [06:00] agreed. [06:00] as that is not expected behaviour [06:00] those that know about su need to use it [06:00] not be told about sudo [06:00] would be like making an alias of 'vi' to nano.. or something. [06:00] anyway, the great unwashed used gksudo or kdesu [06:00] and should never see the command line [06:01] Well, it's more friendly to newbies, and it *would* do the same thing as "su" without parameters... [06:01] trygvebw, did you read what I just said? [06:01] Burgundavia, yes i did [06:01] messing with coreutils is bad. [06:01] trygvebw, then you will know why it is bad [06:02] Well... Who need the "su" tool in the standard configuration? === M0rp [~ferry@cust.15.118.adsl.cistron.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:02] need/want/expect it to be there.. [06:02] I expect it to be there.. [06:02] I don't expect su to start sudo in any way. [06:02] those that know about su need to use it, not be told about sudo [06:02] Well, "sudo -i" will do exactly (nearly) the same thing as "sudo -i" [06:03] Without telling anybody that it *is* "sudo" [06:03] still a bad idea. it's like makiing 'vi' a alias to nano, you can still edit your files.. [06:04] .. but i hate nano :) [06:04] There is a big difference, "vi" works, but "su" doesn't. [06:05] su works if you enable the root account. [06:06] Usually people who know show to activate root also knows how to remove the alias. [06:07] the essential here is as burgundavia said "expected behaviour".. [06:08] And like i said, the behavior of "sudo -i" and "su" is exactly the same... [06:08] trygvebw, uh, no [06:08] without arguments.. yes. [06:08] yes [06:08] or well. [06:08] no. [06:08] nearly.. [06:08] not enought. [06:08] Most people who use arguments knows how to remove the alias. [06:08] if they know it's there.. [06:08] if you type in su [06:09] you get a password prompt [06:09] I just did [06:09] You also do with "sudo -i [06:09] " [06:09] but the difference is what password they are looking for [06:09] su is looking for roots [06:09] trygvebw: try 'sudo -i -s /bin/zsh' [06:09] sudo -i is looking for mine [06:10] uniq: Doesn't work [06:10] I know. [06:10] Burgundavia, well, we could print a warning... [06:10] su -s /bin/zsh does. [06:10] uniq: Most people who use arguments knows how to remove the alias. [06:10] Burgundavia, well, we could print a warning... === Dantis [~danten@h115n2c1o1049.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:11] trygvebw, why not just do what is normal"? [06:11] :) [06:11] the only people who need su, actually want su [06:11] Because "su" -> "sudo -i" is more newbie friendly... [06:12] no, it's just confusing. [06:12] trygvebw, please understand, the great unwashed is never going to use su [06:12] Burgundavia, well, people are instructed (irc, forums) to do special command line things including "su". They type "su", and can't get further. [06:13] trygvebw, they shouldn [06:13] t [06:13] be [06:13] Why? [06:13] Ubuntu uses sudo [06:13] people should follow the defaults [06:13] unless they really know better [06:13] What if users of other distros instruct them? [06:13] .. and then they know how to enable the root account.. [06:13] ^ [06:14] that is not really an issue we can deal with, and your "fix" won't help [06:14] Well... [06:14] Ok :) === spo0nman [~pankaj@spo0nman.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Seveas [~seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:21] hello [06:22] hi. === trygvebw [~trygvebw@193.216.24.197] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [06:32] bluefoxicy: ping [06:34] hi [06:35] zyga: http://rafb.net/paste/results/lcaHUV32.html [06:36] bluefoxicy: looking :-) [06:37] BTW: what's the naming cheme? [06:37] ? [06:37] nevermind [06:38] ! [06:38] how did you resolve malloc? [06:38] (the real malloc) [06:38] I had constant problems with real programs [06:38] uh === blueyed [~daniel@i528C3894.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:38] I didn't find glibc's malloc [06:38] I just have my own implementation. [06:38] hence the infinite loop and negative size allocations. [06:38] so real_malloc is your custom right? [06:38] yeah [06:39] ok [06:39] I had strange results yesterday [06:39] once_malloc() has initializers [06:39] and a pthread_once() call which is expensive as hell [06:39] I could not repeat the behaviour of your first test [06:39] so it switches a pointer to real_malloc() [06:39] so the first (few?) malloc() calls may be once_malloc(), the following become real_malloc() [06:39] the one where one allocation was holding memory back [06:39] (now it always holds the memory back, even after it's released) [06:40] but I've updated to breezy so that could be relevant [06:40] o.O [06:40] now it holds memory even after dropping the heap holder in msztest? [06:40] yes [06:40] what the ass? [06:40] I'm currently ignoring thread safty [06:40] it should drop from like 100 megs to 2 megs [06:40] :> [06:40] it does after the process dies === bluefoxicy is thread safe in the most asinine way possible [06:40] I'm going to test it more excessively today [06:41] I hope malloc still suxx ;] [06:41] haha [06:41] otherwise we d'be out of hobby :> [06:41] I may be out of a job soon [06:41] s/we d'/we'd / [06:42] I fix computers, but my performance is rated by how I sell services [06:42] what do you sell? [06:42] so like, the sales guys sell computers and are supposed to give us the customers so we sell them services [06:42] except [06:42] the sales guys bring me customers that want a computer and 10 billion services [06:42] so I do the services [06:42] You work at Besy Buy? [06:42] but I dont sell them. [06:42] Amaranth: yes [06:42] it's weird though. [06:42] We have to be "Bringing in money" but we're NOT commissioned. === zyga -> shower [06:43] bbl [06:43] you don't make more because you sell more; but you lose your job if you don't make the company any money [06:43] You're one of those "GeekSquad" guys? [06:43] but people are like "OMFG CHECK IT I SOLDS $10GAZILION" [06:43] Amaranth: yep [06:43] Good to know some of them actaully have a clue... [06:43] Amaranth: actualyl I have like 10000 new services we could supply but don't [06:44] most involving open source software because you don't need a commercial license or NDA to use it. [06:44] I mean we could put a fucking customized firefox on CD and sell it for $20 [06:44] It seems like the ones at the Best Buy here know how to replace HDs, replace RAM, and reinstall Windows. Other than that they try to sell you a new computer. [06:44] as long as the XPI stuff used to install firefox was with it, and the source code to firefox was available (mozilla.org) [06:44] Amaranth: oh yes [06:45] Amaranth: I'll spend all day trying to fix a broken computer to avoid letting them reinstall the OS [06:45] because I want to fix the shit [06:45] bluefoxicy, I just left a repair shop like that [06:45] and I was gald [06:45] Burgundavia: If i had thec apital I'd start my own linux-centric business === spo0nman [~pankaj@spo0nman.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:45] bluefoxicy, quit while you are ahead [06:45] I did that when I was doing to tech work. I'd waste 5 hours running virus scanners and spyware tools instead of spending an hour reinstalling windows. [06:45] Burgundavia: I need money BADLY [06:46] s/to// [06:46] hmm [06:46] my bank accounts are dry and my insurance is due the 29th [06:46] Because if you even changed the user's background they'd freak. [06:46] I worked for a small company [06:46] they were a little more sane [06:47] btw, when you do have to reinstall windows get it all setup then create an XP restore point [06:47] if they bring it in again just restore to that point [06:48] Burgundavia: I want to talk to my district manager about getting permission to market and perform a few new services, the most basic being one linux centric one where we take an old PC they have that they want to junk and install Linux on it for a very low fee (OS installation is like $200 what the fuck?) [06:48] actually I think we could get away with charging $100 [06:48] back [06:48] indeed [06:48] because it's not like "You installed Windows" [06:48] it's like [06:48] we did few suse servers [06:48] bluefoxicy: can your allocator handle real world stuff? [06:49] "You installed Linux AND Gnome AND an office suite AND some games AND a bunch of shit AND media players AND system tools!" [06:49] that's like, $500 worth of work [06:49] bluefoxicy: (like could you run firefox with it) [06:49] a ton of software packages [06:49] you installed an OS, not just windows [06:49] zyga: it dies running ls [06:49] bluefoxicy: mine too [06:49] zyga: it gets 3 heaps in and dies. [06:49] bluefoxicy: did you check what malloc actually does? [06:49] (my heaps hold 4M of allocs) [06:49] Burgundavia: No, you installed a distro. :) [06:49] zyga: no :) [06:50] bluefoxicy: apart from malloc and friends there's valloc and a couple of other quirky things [06:50] Burgundavia: Well, I should talk to my district manager about it. [06:50] bluefoxicy: also, do you run any logging stuff? [06:50] Linux is infinite stock because it's free, downloadable, burnable [06:50] bluefoxicy: any *printf [06:50] hey, HP is going to use a customized version of Ubuntu for their linux machines [06:50] and services are infinite stock because they're coming from your techs [06:50] zyga: that output is all from pritnf [06:50] convinced my father to let me let his research students have Ubuntu on his old laptop [06:50] Burgundavia: but I got in because my aunt knows derek [06:51] ah [06:51] the district manager [06:51] I got the INTERVIEW [06:51] but I had to actually survive the interview to get the job [06:51] I don't do the thing where people hand me shit for free. [06:51] bluefoxicy: printf suxx, calls malloc [06:51] bluefoxicy: almost anything calls malloc [06:51] zyga: wtf :o [06:51] bluefoxicy, how old are you [06:51] Burgundavia: 19 [06:51] bluefoxicy: I've done my own _msgf that's simple enough and doesn't call anything besides write [06:51] ah [06:51] Burgundavia: I'm still a businessman [06:52] bluefoxicy: really? [06:52] :> [06:52] zyga: really [06:52] zyga: not interested in girls though so save yourself the trouble of asking me out ;P [06:52] bluefoxicy: I'm not a girl :P [06:52] bluefoxicy: get real ;] [06:52] :O [06:52] hehe [06:52] but your name ends with an 'a' and like everyone online is spanish [06:52] well [06:52] wohoho a/s/l time in #ubuntu-devel ? [06:52] more of them are canadian than spanish [06:52] bluefoxicy: that's my problem [06:53] bluefoxicy: /whois zyga [06:53] (that doesn't sound like female, does it) [06:53] Most people think I'm female. [06:53] ningo: learn a new thing every day I guess ;-) [06:53] ah [06:54] bluefoxicy: anyway [06:54] bluefoxicy: could you try and run ls after #if 0ing all your printfs out/ [06:56] zyga: I'll just disable debug [06:56] zyga: but it'll still die. [06:57] bluefoxicy: did you run it via gdb? [06:57] no [06:57] bluefoxicy: I can actually run ls now [06:57] yeah it infinite loops. [06:57] zyga: really? [06:57] bluefoxicy: but my algorithm is so trivial it fails on real programs [06:57] bluefoxicy: in a few hours it should be usable enough to run firefox I hope [06:58] there is a usability bug in xchat ctrl - w closes a window but its too damn close to ctrl q which closes the application witout asking a question like "Do you want to close all tabs?" who to complain for a fix? [06:58] bluefoxicy: we could move to #malloc just to avoid all the extra noise [06:58] zyga: *shrug* heh === Dantis [~danten@h136n9c1o1049.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bronson [~bronson@node-40240852.sjc.onnet.us.uu.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:16] hello ! firefox1.0.3 was released is there any patch for hoary's firefox 1.0.2 to fix the bugs 1.0.3 fixed ? [07:16] not yet [07:17] BTW: patch, cant we just use vanilla firefox code? [07:17] Not in hoary. [07:17] if you look at the change logs for ubuntu 1.0.2, you see taht we already had most of the security patches in [07:17] good to know [07:17] perhaps you should call it firefox-1.0.2.1 then [07:19] this happens each release [07:19] the devs should just call it 1.0.3 to make the plebs happy [07:19] Burgundavia: if the'd call it 1.0.4 that would make ubuntu popular ;] [07:19] lol [07:19] (har har har) [07:20] I am quite serious though [07:20] I know [07:20] they should bump the version number [07:21] bluefoxicy: what is your CPU? [07:23] so it's safe hoary's firefox 1.0.2 as safe as mozilla-firefox 1.0.3 [07:23] leonel: version number voodoo is still important [07:24] (debian stable has 0.2 because it's stable, har har ... wrong way to go) [07:24] zyga, yes or no would do [07:24] leonel: your statement was a question? I'm confused [07:24] so it's safe hoary's firefox 1.0.2 as safe as mozilla-firefox 1.0.3 ? [07:24] ah [07:24] leonel: in that case, from what I heard - yes [07:25] leonel: but you might want to ask for details [07:27] zyga: amd64 [07:27] yes is enough [07:27] thanks zyga [07:27] bluefoxicy: those pointers looked suspiciously long ;) [07:28] bluefoxicy: try using %p for pointers [07:33] 1 + 4 + 4 = 12 === lamont goes to run a few last errands before the airplane [07:33] according to my program. [07:34] bluefoxicy: that is some truly fancy complex number math ;] [07:34] bluefoxicy: could you show a sample of your source code? [07:34] zyga: my struct minialloc is {char; size_t; miniheap*;} [07:34] bluefoxicy: is that a sizeof calculation? [07:34] hehe [07:34] bluefoxicy: read about alignment [07:34] :> [07:34] which is 1 (sizeof(char)), 4 (sizeof(size_t)), and 4 (pointer) [07:34] it's a structure [07:34] it's not allowed to bea ligned! [07:35] ...? [07:35] it's supposed to be structural :P [07:35] you got it wrong :P [07:35] repack that to size_t, void *, char [07:35] but read about alignment and structure padding [07:36] it works not the way you think it does apparently [07:36] heh [07:36] what the hell [07:37] extra strength tylenol took 5 minutes to kill my headache [07:37] zyga, just posted to u-devel about it [07:38] Burgundavia: about firefox versioning? [07:38] zyga, oui [07:38] Burgundavia: tres bien! [07:38] basically saying bump the version numbers so we don't look bad [07:39] Burgundavia: ah, I thoght I convinced you to bump them to 1.0.4 ;-) [07:39] for a split second ;] [07:39] IANAD [07:40] Burgundavia: well written [07:40] thank you [07:41] took about 4 drafts [07:48] how am I supposed to debug an allocator when my brain is feeling like it's getting fucked by a horse on and off [07:48] this officially sucks. [07:51] bluefoxicy: you may want to create #malloc-fucks-a-ho.... errr [07:51] bluefoxicy: you may want to rest for a moment [07:51] bluefoxicy: malloc is not going anywhere yet [07:52] (this is hardly ubuntu-devel topic) [08:05] does gdb work at all === Amaranth [~travis@ip68-229-188-97.om.om.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Amaranth [~travis@ip68-229-188-97.om.om.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:07] bluefoxicy: #malloc [08:07] sorry, was testing something === kent [~kent@c-adc871d5.432-1-64736c13.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === svenl_ [~luther@AStrasbourg-251-1-61-142.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cartman [~cartman@cartman.developer.konversation] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jp [~jp@216.155.92.236] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:15] when will fixed libgnome-cil at breezy? since yesterday it's broken. [08:19] jp: report a bug === Goshawk [~Goshawk@82.53.96.135] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ups [~ups@203.200.160.36] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Riddell [jr@muse.19inch.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Xof [~mas01cr@158.223.59.22] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _ningo [ningo@users.g0tt.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === orangehaw [~orangehaw@g9129.upc-g.chello.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Riddell [jr@muse.19inch.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:28] cartman sorry but that sucks =) [08:28] jp: well thats how it supposed to work [08:29] well by, i'll use hoary, for more comodity [08:29] jp: sorry but you don't pay us :) [08:29] reminds me that I need to report a console-data bug [08:29] Amaranth yep [08:29] I know. That's is the bad part of open source [08:29] well bye guys [08:29] it works :) [08:29] jp: That all your little issues aren't fixed on your command? [08:29] btw thanks. === Keybuk [~scott@150.203.247.5] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:30] Amaranth ! === jnc hands Amaranth a harmless foam bat === Amaranth beats jp with it [08:30] :) [08:30] well [08:31] I only said that it sucks, 'cause tseng said me today it'll be ok, butit's broken, and it's a so used tool. [08:31] that's. === Goshawk [~Goshawk@82.53.96.135] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:31] who you callin' a used tool there buddy [08:32] mmm [08:32] hehe [08:32] gtk-sharp [08:32] don't you know it? [08:32] [08:32] my butits are my own business [08:32] well, you're using a devel version of a distro you get for free, things don't always work and all you can do is file a bug report so people know something is wrong [08:32] ok [08:33] oh, and pray for a fix, if you want :) [08:33] well said Amaranth [08:33] Any plans to make an Ubuntu Distro as Kubuntu But only with Server Packages ? [08:33] Amaranth that's I was waiting for today =) [08:33] jeje [08:33] well i'll use hoary, and problem solved. [08:33] thanks btw [08:34] jp: you're free to purchase a support contract from Canonical and we'll see what we can do to solve your problems [08:34] leonel: kind of defeats the point of Kubuntu does it not? [08:34] (or from some other company offering support contracts, obviously.) [08:34] jnc, ubuntu gnome centric kubuntu kde centric i mean a Subuntu ? Server Centric [08:34] Mithrandir I'm not saying that, I'm only asking about a problem that bust be solved for today. [08:34] leonel: just boot the system with "server" when installing. [08:35] must* [08:35] jnc, no X no gnome no kde just server packages [08:35] leonel: there's a server option on Ubuntu Hoary install [08:35] Amaranth: jc can do far more [08:35] jp: "must be solved" sounds a lot like "I need a support contract" to me. :) [08:35] Amaranth: he can fix it him/her self and provide a patch [08:35] Mithrandir, I know but there's many packages for server on universan not suitable for producction [08:35] jp: (or "I'll solve this myself") [08:35] leonel: really though, i personally run a straight debian install when i'm doing server stuffs [08:35] mmm [08:35] Amaranth: that will be greeted far better then 'it's borken ... arghh' [08:36] leonel: what has universe to do with this? [08:36] jnc, I have debian but woody is so old that I need new packages and sarge has no security support yet [08:36] universe it totally unsupported [08:36] it's a "take it or leave it, good luck" kind of thing there [08:36] Mithrandir it's not. I'm only trying to say that it's a bug with libgnome-cil :@ [08:36] Mithrandir, universe is not supported so not suitable for producction [08:36] leonel: watch bug traq and run sarge [08:36] leonel it's true. [08:37] leonel: I've been a ubuntu developer since last August, I know what universe means. :) [08:37] libgnome-cil is at universe Mithrandir [08:37] Mithrandir, lol [08:37] hahahaha [08:37] jnc, not an option [08:37] jp: there are two discussions here, one is the server one, one is the libgnome-cil problem you're having. [08:37] leonel: what exactly do you need this for anyways [08:38] Mithrandir ok, libgnome-ci don't have official support, tseng know things about that package. [08:38] Mithrandir ok, libgnome-ci don't have official support, tseng knows things about that package. [08:38] leonel: there's a lot of server packages in main. [08:38] jnc, more server packages that could go instead X Gnome / Kde [08:38] leonel: is this for your job or for fun? [08:38] jnc, job [08:38] jp: yeah, but he might very well be on a plane to .au now, as he's coming for UDU [08:39] leonel: so uh... get a redhat support contract [08:39] or one from canocial [08:39] (spelling leaves something to be desired) [08:39] jnc, jejeje Centos works fine but I'd like Ubuntu [08:39] leonel: which server packages are you missing? [08:39] Mithrandir mmm so you're saying I have to pay canonical support for it? for breezy? LOL [08:40] I'd like 50 hours in a day and grass that grows to a perfect height always green [08:40] we're getting there through the marvel of science and hard work [08:40] Mithrandir, libdbd-pg-perl [08:40] it's going to take a while and some money [08:40] among others [08:40] well there's no solution for libgnome-cil :( [08:41] jp: no, I'm not saying that, I'm saying that if you want to have any kind of guarantees (or something like that) for timely fixes, you should purchase a support contract. Apart from that, it'll all be best-effort [08:41] leonel: propose it for the supportedseed for breezy, then [08:41] jp: it's not that anyone WANTS it broken ;) [08:41] haha [08:41] :) [08:41] if you got time to complain, you have time to fix the darn thing [08:41] Mithrandir, thanks let me make my list :) [08:42] jp: but then , breezy is pretty shaky right now, so you basically shouldn't be running it on non-development systems. But you've already discovered that. :) === lionel_ [~lionel@ip-128.net-82-216-65.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:43] Hoary isn't even feature complete on all archs [08:43] Mithrandir yep, I'm using it 'cause it has gnome 2.10.1, i'm not a developer... [08:43] I'm gonna use hoary =) [08:44] bye [08:44] gnome 2.4.x is perfectly usable [08:44] jp, see you around [08:44] bye Mithrandir [08:44] hm. [08:45] is Ubuntu even designed with server applications in mind? [08:45] that's funny, libgnome-cil is working fine here [08:45] what's wrong with it for you? [08:45] which arch [08:46] x86 [08:46] i.e maybe it works on foo but not bar [08:46] jnc: it would be slightly more useful if you said what was missing or broken rather than just complaining [08:47] Mithrandir: oh yeah i was here before release filing bugs etc. [08:47] i don't have the # handy but you can search for "openoffice won't print amd64" something like that i believe [08:48] the title was originally different for the bug report [08:48] yeah, I know about that one. [08:48] I just didn't get around to fixing it. [08:48] I would submit a fix, it's a simple matter that I have no clue for what OpenOffice does. I usually pick smaller pieces of cake to consume [08:49] I know what the fix is, it's just that OOo is big and scary and makes me want to cry. ;) [08:51] it used to work when i first installed Hoary preview, then after some update between then and now it ceased to function [08:51] exactly, sir [08:51] is there an LD_PRELOAD= workaround or something I could do? would be nice as i'm attempting to use that hardware for an office computer [08:52] I can try to provide a backported fix when I get back home, but there's no way I'm going to do that with a second latency to my home systems. :) [08:53] backported... from breezy? [08:53] if it's fixed in breezy, i mean shoot at least i can update that bug [08:53] no, it's not fixed yet [08:54] but I can provide hoary packages once I've fixed it in breezy [08:54] oh okay. it would be much appreciated [08:54] FYI you'll see me complain on occasion I do submit fixes too [08:55] electric sheep screensaver configuration is one [08:55] it looks spectacular on a flatscreen lcd === jnc drools' [08:55] jnc: just a bit tired after I slept shitty this night. [08:56] I should really try to get a few hours more [08:56] same here [08:56] isn't it just awful when ya don't sleep 6+ hours at least? [08:56] the problem right now is I'm at LCA which means my timezone is eight hours off, I'm not home, I miss my fiancee and am developing conference cough-sickness. [08:57] but it's fun, so I'm not complaining. [08:57] it's just that I get a bit grumpy [08:57] understood [09:01] Mithrandir, have you read my post to u-devel regarding ff numbering [09:02] not really, but it's thom and not me who maintains ff === maskie [~maskie@196-30-108-202.uudial.uunet.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:02] is thom about? [09:02] probably not atm; it's 05:02 in the morning here [09:02] in four hours or so, he should be [09:03] I'm off for a bit more sleep [09:03] ah [09:03] ok [09:03] timezones mess me up === mirak [~mirak@AAubervilliers-152-1-47-91.w83-114.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === orangehaw [~orangehaw@g9129.upc-g.chello.nl] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Kopete] === LeeJunFan [junfan@64-186-37-120.skycon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === fgx [~fgx@host237-42.pool80183.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === metallikop is now known as kop|gone === guioum [~guioum@dsl-207-112-56-187.tor.primus.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kop|gone is now known as metallikop [09:55] hi devs. do you think hoary's php version wil be updated after the getimagesize() bug discovered today? === kent [~kent@c-adc871d5.432-1-64736c13.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [10:11] fgx: devs are away ATM [10:12] <\sh> devs are all down under [10:12] <\sh> down, under water, or in australia *eg* [10:14] zyga, ok, thx === Danten [~danten@h143n2c1o1049.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === metallikop is now known as kop|gone === kop|gone is now known as metallikop === remi` [~remi@car75-2-82-224-45-203.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === metallikop is now known as kop|gone === LinuxJones [~LinuxJone@blk-222-221-81.eastlink.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tortoise_ [~tortoise@81-86-196-118.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Zomb [~eb@linda.rhrk.uni-kl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tritium [~mrimbert@ee213-dhcp-5.ecn.purdue.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === HiddenWolf [~hidden@136.109.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === xuzo [~xuzo@81-203-41-93.user.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dizzy [~dizzy@213.21.170.198] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kop|gone is now known as metallikop [11:20] i'm going to class. GPS doesn't work, but I don't use IDEs anyway. [11:20] bluefoxicy: GPS and IDE have what in common? [11:21] zyga: uhhhhhhhh. . . [11:21] http://libre.adacore.com/gps/ [11:21] global positioning system ;] [11:22] i'm installing it on xp anyway [11:23] I have XP on my laptop and only boot into it to install and configure open source software on windows [11:23] so that when peoeple talk to me about linux and open source software [11:23] I can be like [11:23] *whips out big dcache of free software on windows* === LinuxJones [~LinuxJone@blk-222-221-81.eastlink.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [~stub@203-217-40-144.perm.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === HiddenWolf [~hidden@136.109.dynamic.phpg.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === kent [~kent@c-e0c871d5.432-1-64736c13.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === moquist [~moquist@pool-64-223-182-188.man.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:54] bluefoxicy: I cannot stand working on windows [11:54] bluefoxicy: when 80% of my time is spent in the shell and 20% in the browser windows is very unplesant === kent [~kent@c-e0c871d5.432-1-64736c13.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has left #ubuntu-devel []