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zulyay ttp://ehlo.org/~kay/gitweb.pl?project=linux-2.6&action=log&view_back=8640002:29
=== ..[topic/#ubuntu-kernel:zul] : Ubuntu kernel development discussion | http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KernelTeam | http://people.u.c/~lamont/Archives/kernel-team@ubuntu.com--2005/ stable: kernel-debian--pre35--2.6.10 playground: kernel-debian--pre1--2.6.11.90 | There are no kernel bugs.. only broken hardware | http://ehlo.org/~kay/gitweb.pl?project=linux-2.6&action=log&view_back=86400 | http://pbx.mine.nu/artwork/036-lolwhat-linux-sarojin.gif
kylemthis git stuff is so confusing.02:32
zulyeah it is..02:33
kylem400 messages left to read in that maildir :\02:33
zulgah?02:36
kylemthe git mailing list is pretty high traffic, heh, explains why linux-kernel is so quiet these days02:37
zulgit changes?02:37
kylemno, the git devel list02:37
zulah..02:38
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fabbionemorning05:19
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fabbione12rc3 is out :/12:22
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=== ..[topic/#ubuntu-kernel:fabbione] : Ubuntu kernel development discussion | http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KernelTeam | http://people.u.c/~lamont/Archives/kernel-team@ubuntu.com--2005/ stable: kernel-debian--pre35--2.6.10 playground: kernel-debian--pre1--2.6.11.91 | There are no kernel bugs.. only broken hardware
=== ..[topic/#ubuntu-kernel:fabbione] : Ubuntu kernel development discussion | http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KernelTeam | http://people.u.c/~lamont/Archives/kernel-team@ubuntu.com--2005/ stable: kernel-debian--pre35--2.6.10 playground: kernel-debian--pre1--2.6.11.91 | There are no kernel bugs.. only broken hardware | orig/diff/dsc at the usual place
jbaileyfabbione: Do we keep broken builds on the buildds like Debian does sometimes?02:08
jbaileyglibc on i386 failed with a whacked error message that I don't understand02:08
fabbionejbailey: yes.. we still need lamont for it02:09
jbaileyCool.  I won't try and reproduce it here, then.  All I need is the config.log from the build.  It's complaining that gcc-3.3 isn't happy.02:09
fabbionei am this -><- close to explode02:11
zulfabbione: how come?02:58
fabbionebecause rc3 compiles half and a half02:58
fabbione23293728 things to do02:58
fabbioneand 0 time left02:58
zulah..02:59
lamontjbailey: purge=always02:59
fabbioneok.. now it builds everywhere03:00
fabbionelamont: 2.6.11.91 .. needs hppa love :)03:01
lamont.90 got uploaded?03:01
fabbioneno03:01
fabbione2.6.12rc3 is out03:01
lamontah, .91 is rc3?03:01
fabbionei am updating the configs all over03:01
fabbionebut if i got them right, they should be ok for hppa already03:02
lamontcool03:02
lamonthowever there's a fair chance that the diffs don't apply03:02
fabbioneremember the usal trick of the diff.gz .dsc03:02
fabbioneand then replace debian/ ;)03:02
zulorig can be gotten at the same place?03:02
zulhmmm....that directed at me? :)03:02
fabbionezul: usual place..03:03
fabbionepeople.u.c/~fabbione/03:03
zulgetting them now03:03
fabbioneok i am off while the buildds will finish to munge the kernel03:04
fabbionecya later03:04
fabbionei386 configs are already updated btw03:05
lamontfabbione: hppa love may have to happen after I get off the plane - much of today will be spent getting everything together to fly, etc, etc.03:07
lamontplane leaves in about 9.5 hours03:07
fabbionelamont: i am not going to upload anyway03:07
fabbionei had some kind of bad feeling upgrading the kernel on a hoary box today03:08
fabbioneso i want to restest everything.. that means after UDU03:08
zulgah?03:08
fabbionezul: it didn't complain about an old version of initrd.tools, when i explecitly declared a versioned depends03:09
zulah ok03:09
fabbionethat means leaving the system unbootable03:09
zulthat isnt good at all :)03:09
fabbioneright03:09
fabbionei am off for a while03:09
fabbionei might pass by later03:10
lamontfabbione: and besides, cvs.parisc-linux.org is down right now03:10
jbaileylamont: Ah well, thanks.03:12
jbaileyCool, got my travel insurrance.03:13
jbaileyNow I need power adaptors, clean clothing, a sticker for mako, and mapple syrop for infinity.03:13
zuljbailey: just go to loblaws for mapple syrub :)03:24
zuldamn dyslexia03:24
=== lamont pokes jbailey, points at /msg
zulheh you said poke03:30
jbaileyzul: Yup, and mec for the power adaptors.03:39
jbaileyzul: I just reconfirmed my flights, meals, etc.03:40
fabbioneamd64 configs updated04:04
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jbaileyInteresting, when I ran time on my test glibc build, the user time is greater than the real time. =)05:06
fabbioneeeheh05:07
jbaileyI'm guess it's not SMP friendly. =)05:07
fabbionehttp://www.plug-pray.org/05:10
fabbioneahahaha05:10
fabbionejbailey: what is a simple way to debug the libc6 resolver?05:12
jbaileygcc-3.3 [!ia64 !powerpc !amd64]  | gcc-3.4 [!ia64] , gcc-3.4 (>= 3.4.3-6ubuntu1) [ia64] ,05:12
fabbionei was trying to spot the ipv6 problem05:13
fabbionebut the changes are way more complicated than expected05:13
jbaileyfabbione: Honestly, printf.05:13
fabbionehmmm05:13
fabbionenot even that RESDEBUG ?05:13
jbaileyBecause you can't build glibc without optimisation, it's usually less grief to do incremental compiles than walk it though gdb.05:13
jbaileyIs that build-dep line enough to make sure that amd64 has gcc-3.4 on the system?05:14
fabbionejbailey: hmmmmm05:14
jbaileyfabbione: It depends if RESDEBUG is actually granular enough for you.  I don't think it gives you line numbers and such.05:14
fabbionegcc-3.3 [i386, sparc,hppa] , gcc-3.4 [amd64] , gcc-3.4 (>= 3.4.3-6ubuntu1) [ia64] ,05:15
jbailey'kay, better to make it clear I guess.05:15
fabbionei hate triple negations :)05:15
jbaileyNo commas between the arch's it looks like.05:20
jbaileyWell, off she goes.05:23
fabbionejbailey: how hard can it be to get a crosscompiler to build sparc on amd64?05:25
fabbioneonly to build the kernel05:25
fabbioneso something extremely monolitich and static05:25
fabbionelater...05:28
fabbionei forgot i need to go shopping05:28
jbaileyfabbione: Cross compilers are usually pretty easy now.  There's several scripts out there that all you need to do is put a few pieces in the right palce and hit 'go'05:35
jbaileyI think the package you want is called 'toolcahin-source'05:35
kylemtoolchain-source rarely works. :\05:43
kylemi've tried several times to build x86->{hppa,mips} compilers with it, and failed, recently05:44
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fabbioneI HATE PPC06:27
fabbionewhere is the ppc porter?06:27
fabbioneT-Bone??06:27
fabbioneT-None: weren't you supposed to do ppc work?06:27
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T-Bonefabbione: i beg your pardon?06:44
fabbioneyou said you wanted to hack around on ppc...06:45
fabbioneright?06:45
fabbionesince i hate ppc.. from deep inside myself...06:45
T-Bonei said i could06:45
fabbioneisn't the right time to start?06:45
T-Bonewhy?06:45
fabbionebecause it's the only troublemaker arch with FTBFS one on top of eachoterh06:46
T-Boneeachoterh?06:46
T-Bonefabbione: i *thought* that ppc was *officialy* supported?06:47
fabbioneeachother06:47
T-Bonefabbione: which means people are *paid* to get it to work. Am I wrong?06:47
fabbioneT-Bone: so? it still needs love.. it's not like the kernel builds automatically because the arch is *supported*06:48
fabbioneyes you are wrong :)06:48
fabbioneit still a community kernel06:48
=== T-Bone is having hard time matching "support" and "noone paid for it" :P
T-Bonefabbione: you're good at reading webpage, right?06:49
T-Bonefabbione: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KernelTeamTasks06:49
T-Bone(which isn't up to date since i've droped ia64, but that's another story)06:50
fabbionethat's probably because you are french as svenl 06:51
fabbioneand i thought you were both 2 patriots06:51
T-Bonefabbione: i'm quite certain that if you take it on that tone, i'll show you my biggest finger...06:51
fabbioneahhah06:52
fabbionethat'06:52
fabbionethat'd be cool :)06:52
T-Boneyou finger perv :P06:52
T-Boneanywayz, i might give it a shot, but probably not before this week end. I've got a couple of urgent things to deal with before06:54
fabbionebrain cancer?06:54
dilingerhm, there's 2.6.12rc306:54
fabbioneare you losing your penis?06:54
T-Boneno. I don't have a brain06:54
fabbionedilinger: yeah.. 2.6.11.91.. see /T06:54
fabbione:)06:54
T-Boneand i'm hung like a horse, no problem that side either06:54
zulT-Bone: a minature horse?06:55
fabbionedilinger: that's why i am pissed.. each release PPC is a FTBFSorama06:55
T-Bonezul: even a miniature one would do. If you've never seen a horse's prick, you should take a look. It usually sizes in meters06:55
T-Bone:P06:55
zulT-Bone: there is a horsefly as well ;)06:56
T-Bonelol06:56
T-Boneyou idiot ;)06:56
zulwhich makes you very very very small..:)06:57
zulbesides its not the size its the girth06:57
T-Bonezul: when you've got both, you're the ladies' king. So far, I'm not very worried about that topic. Besides, I tend to think that it's usually those who talk about it who have a problem with it, neh, fabbione ? :)06:58
T-BoneBWAHAHAHA06:58
zulouch...burn..06:59
fabbionei didn't talk about the size of your penis :)06:59
T-Bonelol07:00
T-Bonethat's the worse excuse I've ever heard ;)07:00
fabbioneas you can re-read above... i have been pretty silent07:00
T-Boneyou nonetheless started it07:00
T-BoneFreud would consider that as a *big clue*07:01
T-Bone;)07:01
T-Bone(but he was German. That doesn't help ;)07:01
=== T-Bone ducks!
zuluh...he was austrian07:02
T-Bonetrue. I might americanize myself, thinking it's the same ;o)07:02
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fabbioneno.. i didn't start the topic of size07:03
fabbioneREAD AGAIN07:03
T-Boneyou started the dick-topic07:03
fabbioneonly that you were losing it, together with your brain cancer...07:03
T-Boneyou said i was losing something dear to me, i replied telling that given how it's hung, there was no risk that i might loose it, and then zul hopped on the size topic07:03
fabbioneso as you can see07:04
T-Bonethat was your first mistake: i can't have a brain cancer: i don't have a fuckin brain :)07:04
fabbionei didn't start the size topic07:04
T-Boneyou initiated the whole topic, as usual when the discussion goes between the legs. Might be your Italian big-mouth blood waking up ;)07:05
fabbioneT-Bone: be careful.. the day that your penis will fall down (due to its huge size) might jump back straight in your butt07:05
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T-Freudhmm, I see another fabbione-sex-fantasy emerging07:06
T-Freudthis guy is really wicked. He needs a cure ;)07:07
fabbionethat happens when you spend too much time with french guys around07:07
T-Freudcompulsory xenophobia07:07
T-Freudsevere case07:07
T-FreudNurse, please strap him carefully, we're taking him to the nearest psychiatric hospital. It's an emergency :P07:09
zulwont someone please think of the chidren07:11
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T-Bonezul: you mean *his*? Damn. If he multiplies, Earth is in danger ;o)07:11
zuli got involved now im uninvolving myself :)07:12
T-Bonelol07:12
T-Boneyou've got a paper asshole (newly learnt swear, thx jbailey ;)07:13
zulmmm....girl guide cookies07:13
fabbionegoodie..07:32
fabbionewe have debs for 2.6.12rc307:32
fabbioneon all arches except hppa07:33
T-Bonelol07:33
zulwith unionfs for ppc?07:33
fabbionecya lamont-away 07:33
fabbionezul: that's a gcc problem07:34
zulah07:34
fabbionejbailey: did you upload a new version libc6 already???07:35
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lamont-awayfabbione: ubuntu3 is there07:44
=== lamont-away really gets out the door to run errands
jbaileyfabbione: Yeah sorry.  Had to fix amd64 and i386 build fuckage.07:48
fabbionelamont-away: cya at UDU :)07:51
fabbionejbailey: ENOPROBLEM :)07:51
fabbionejbailey: everything that was builded up till now is ccached07:51
fabbioneno big loss07:51
fabbionei added an nfs ccache export of 20GB07:51
fabbioneif it gets full.. we will enlarge it :)07:52
fabbione                       20G  2.9G   16G  16% /opt/sparcbuildd/chroots/jb-breezy/home/sparcbuildd/.ccache07:55
fabbionewe already have 3GB of cache.. all good.. all good :)07:55
jbaileyOoo, I wonder if stuff from jb-breezy shouldn't be cached... 07:56
jbaileyI was hoping between gcc-3.3 and 3.4...07:56
fabbionewhy not?07:56
fabbionejbailey: ccache is very clever07:56
fabbionedon't worry..07:56
jbaileyIs it?  a'ight.07:56
fabbioneit recognizes a lot of things07:56
fabbioneto be sure that the cache is valid or not07:57
jbaileyMust call cab in 10 minutes to get to airport.  Need anything before I go? =)07:59
zulill be sure not to call customs on you :)07:59
fabbionejbailey: have fun.. cya in Sydney08:01
zulbastards! :)08:01
Mithrandirsee you, jeff08:01
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fabbioneT-Bone: doubt... he is already on the way there08:28
T-Boneah08:28
T-Boneshite08:29
zuli guess it will be just be me, kyle, and shit for brains holding down the fort while everyone is on the airplane ;)08:29
zuland dilinger :)08:30
T-Bonewho's shit? 8)08:30
zulhehe...i think you just answered you own qestion08:30
kylem:)08:30
=== T-Bone is now known as T-Shit
T-Shitlike that? :)08:30
T-Shitzul: i think if you look to your left, you might see my finger through the window 8)08:31
zulwell if i look to the left all i see is walls 08:31
T-Shittry the other left ;)08:32
zulstill a wall :)08:32
T-Shityou're living in a bunker or what? ;)08:32
zulno...its an office08:32
dilingerzul: heh, i'll be on an airplane too08:33
zulyou are going to udu as well?08:33
dilingeryep08:33
zulbastard08:33
kylemmust be nice to jetset around the world.08:34
fabbionekylem: not for 22 hours of flight in a raw08:34
kylemfabbione, meh. i'm still jealous.08:34
zulil go to the next one08:35
fabbionekylem: i am so NOT looking forward to travel 22 hours (pure flight time)08:35
T-Shitsame here08:35
kylemfabbione, take a sleeping pill, heh.08:35
fabbionesimply because if i can't get an emergency exit seat, i am doomed08:35
T-Shitsame here08:35
fabbionenah.. i can sleep like a baby08:35
fabbionethat's not the issue08:36
T-Shitfabbione: i can't believe we share so many common points ;)08:36
fabbioneit's my size the problem08:36
kylemoh?08:36
fabbioneT-Shit: i am still better than you.. don't try an escalation08:36
dilingeryea, i have no problems sleeping on a plane.. just bugs the fuck out of my ears if i sleep through the descent08:36
kylemvertical or horizontal?08:36
T-Shitfabbione: lol08:36
zulor drink alot of alcohol08:36
fabbionelast time i was in the US08:36
T-Shitkylem: perimetric ;)08:36
fabbionei managed to fall asleep before take off08:36
=== T-Shit ducks
kylemheh.08:37
fabbioneand they had to wake me up at the arrival08:37
kylemwhatever.08:37
zuli have a tendency to puke on flight stewardess when i fly08:37
T-Shitfabbione: lucky bee. A plane is probably the only place i can't sleep08:37
dilingerfabbione: heh, that's handy08:37
fabbionedilinger: oh yeah08:37
T-Shitzul: does that help dating them? ;)08:37
fabbioneT-Shit: i can sleep everywhere :) 4 years of AirForce did help :)08:37
dilingerzul: haha, how many times have you done that?08:37
fabbioneunder the desk.. on an office chair08:38
zulT-Shit: not really no08:38
fabbionebetween 2 chairs08:38
T-Shitfabbione: lol. I can sleep everwhere *except* in planes (really)08:38
zuldilinger: once when i was a kid08:38
dilingeroh, ok08:38
T-Shitfabbione: i can even sleep eyes open ;)08:38
fabbionethere...08:38
fabbioneppc is updated.. what is missing now...08:38
zuldilinger: airitalia flying from nariobi to rome i had a bit of a flu08:38
fabbioneah08:38
fabbionehppa!08:38
fabbione:P08:38
dilingerso it's not like you get on the plane, hand the stewardess a smock, and tell her to wear it until you get off the flight :)08:38
=== T-Shit cheated teachers that way. They thought I was following the lesson, while i was having a nice nap ;)
zulhehe...maybe :)08:39
kylemfabbione, what needs to be done?08:39
fabbionethe best thing is to tell them that you are scared of flying08:39
T-Shittell them you need a baby si(s)t(t)er ;)08:40
fabbionekylem: for .11.91 aka 12rc3, i still need to reenable the qla2xxx stuff and a bunch of other drivers...08:40
kylemfabbione, i mean for hppa :)08:40
fabbioneand allign the udebs08:40
fabbionekylem: config updates08:40
kylemah.08:40
fabbionekylem: and see if the patches we have for hppa are ok08:40
T-Shitkylem: hppa builds fine. fabbione is just trying to make a fuss out of nothing ;)08:41
fabbionesince yesterday they have been updated on top of 12rc208:41
fabbioneT-Shit: wanna bet that it won't build if you don't update the config?08:41
T-Shitfabbione: of course. But nothing is broken08:41
fabbionei have never said it was08:41
fabbioneread above you little tiny piece of cow-choaked meat08:42
T-Shitfabbione: you're so full of me ;)08:42
=== kylem should leave packaging stuff to someone else, he just doesn't care anymore.... too much fun hacking drivers.
T-ShitBWAHAHAHA!!08:42
fabbioneT-Shit: that's just mean you are shit...08:42
T-Shitkylem: hehehe, you stepped into the Dark Side, Welcome, young padawan ;))08:42
kylemthis is why debian needs to be closer to ubuntu, so i can just steal your hppa work and upload it.08:42
fabbionekylem: yeah.. i have started my way trough real kernel hacking08:42
T-Shitfabbione: and that just means you ack what you are ;o))08:42
fabbioneno.. i ack what you are.. even if inside me08:43
T-Shitlol08:43
T-Shitfilthy lies. Face the truth08:43
T-Shitmakes me think, I *need* to book planes for OLS08:44
T-Shiti guess i'll come for the OLS week only, heh08:45
zulsuck...i wont be going to ols but ill be in the city08:45
kylemheehee, i got one of the random kernel summit invites. (with only one entry in maintainers... :)08:45
zulwho...we can have a party at my house08:45
kylemthank you LASI Harmony...08:45
T-Shitkylem: lol. I guess that's why I should claim I'm maintaining some of the shit i wrote ;)08:46
zulbbl...need to make a house call08:46
kylemT-Shit, any idea when you're going to fly in/out? i asked ajh, but there's no plans for camping yet.08:47
T-Shitkylem: i need to check with grant for the administrativia, but my bet is that if there's no camp plans, i'll stick to Grant's feet08:47
kylemT-Shit, k. just let me know when to bring the liquor. ;-)08:48
kylem(and where:)08:48
T-Shitseems pretty poorly organized from HP-side, this year08:48
T-Shithehe ;)08:48
kylemT-Shit, taggart's not going, is he?08:48
T-Shitdunno. Seems not, else we would have a much better setup already08:48
kylemi wonder if bdale is?08:48
T-Shiti think so08:48
T-Shitneed to ask him08:48
T-Shitbut iirc last time we talked he told me he would08:49
fabbionewell i am off....08:49
kylemcool08:49
fabbioneweekend starts early this week08:50
T-Shitkylem: do you know how long ggg will be off?08:50
kylemT-Shit, he only said "a couple days"08:50
T-Shitfabbione: you little bastard08:50
T-Shitok08:50
kylemfabbione, take care08:50
kylemT-Shit, i'm sure he will log on from wireless somehow as usual :)08:50
fabbionei might pass by tomorrow08:50
T-Shitkylem: most likely ;)08:50
T-Shitfabbione: don't bother. Really ;)08:51
=== Mithrandir found http://www.acm.uiuc.edu/sigmil/talks/OpenVPN/ the other day.
Mithrandirthat's kinda coo08:51
Mithrandir+l08:51
fabbioneMithrandir: somebody was packaging it afaik08:51
T-ShitMithrandir: woohoo, indeed! :)08:51
=== T-Shit bookmarks
Mithrandirfabbione: just openvpn ?  It's already packaged.  The rest of it is more of a receipe.08:52
fabbioneah ok08:52
Mithrandirthis is basically "how to abuse somebody else's wlan connection without bothering them or you too much"08:53
=== T-Shit wanders off for a while, bbl
fabbioneahah08:53
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zullater..10:52
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