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| dholbach | hai | 01:03 |
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| tseng | hi dholbach | 01:21 |
| tseng | whats up | 01:21 |
| dholbach | hey tseng | 01:21 |
| dholbach | enjoying sydney and writing up stuff for the motu/community bofs | 01:21 |
| tseng | ok | 01:21 |
| tseng | you pinged me | 01:21 |
| dholbach | today it's raining a bit, so i dont mind | 01:21 |
| dholbach | yeah... wanted to know when you arrive | 01:21 |
| tseng | sunday | 01:22 |
| dholbach | sunday morning, right? | 01:22 |
| tseng | yes | 01:22 |
| tseng | 6:30 about | 01:23 |
| dholbach | cool | 01:32 |
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| dholbach | need to check when koke and ajmitch arrive | 01:32 |
| ajmitch | dholbach: saturday afternoon | 01:33 |
| ajmitch | just got the spending money in my account this morning ;) | 01:34 |
| dholbach | woohoo, cool | 01:39 |
| ajmitch | yeah, it means I can pay a friend back who I owe some money to :) | 01:39 |
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| tseng | hi dholbach | 03:14 |
| dholbach | hey tseng | 03:14 |
| dholbach | how are you? | 03:14 |
| tseng | good | 03:15 |
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| dholbach | see you later | 05:10 |
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| \sh | gentlemen | 08:06 |
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| \sh | morning ogra | 11:45 |
| \sh | https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/bugs/457 | 11:52 |
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| koke | \sh: are you sure k3b needs cdrdao?? | 12:17 |
| koke | http://k3b.plainblack.com/requirements <-- it's optional | 12:17 |
| koke | koke@ababol ~ $ LC_ALL=C apt-cache depends k3b | grep cdrdao | 12:18 |
| koke | Suggests: cdrdao | 12:18 |
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| \sh | koke: well, it asks you for it , when you start it directly | 12:44 |
| \sh | koke: and for 0.3.10 it was required...strange | 12:47 |
| \sh | behaviour | 12:47 |
| koke | --> ogra (~ogra@CPE-60-225-18-37.nsw.bigpond.net.au) <-- you too already in .au?? | 12:50 |
| ogra | since monday, yes :) | 12:50 |
| koke | linuxconf? | 12:50 |
| ogra | koke, when will you arrive ? | 12:50 |
| tseng | ograconf | 12:50 |
| ogra | nah, like tseng said | 12:51 |
| ogra | blueparrotconf | 12:51 |
| ogra | http://www.blueparrot.com.au/ | 12:51 |
| koke | 24 @ 05:55 | 12:51 |
| ogra | ah, great, so you have a day to see sydney at least | 12:52 |
| ajmitch | hi | 12:53 |
| tseng | hi | 12:56 |
| koke | hmmm, 05:55 is 21:55 @ BIO, and after 2 days flying, I guess I'll need to rest a bit :) | 12:56 |
| tseng | koke: ill be there 6:30 | 12:56 |
| tseng | no no | 12:56 |
| tseng | we are hitting the town | 12:56 |
| tseng | you can sleep until i get there | 12:56 |
| ajmitch | sounds like fun :) | 12:57 |
| ajmitch | I don't know what I'll get up to when I get there | 12:57 |
| tseng | ...going out | 12:57 |
| ogra | koke, you shouldnt, else you will have a very weird sleep schedule.... one needs to stay awake the first day | 12:57 |
| ajmitch | maybe on sunday afternoon | 12:57 |
| tseng | you go out the 24th or bush. | 12:57 |
| tseng | bust*. | 12:58 |
| ajmitch | heh | 12:58 |
| tseng | every other day is scheduled until 9 | 12:58 |
| tseng | and most things in .au seem to close at 4-5 | 12:58 |
| ajmitch | nah, it's not that bad | 12:58 |
| ajmitch | I did spend a couple of months in .au last year | 12:58 |
| ajmitch | so I don't care as much about the tourist stuff :) | 12:58 |
| tseng | i would just feel bad going all that way and not seeing a few things | 12:59 |
| tseng | the bridge, opera house, and the beach | 12:59 |
| ajmitch | yeah, but I could go to sydney for the weekend if I wanted, it's close enough | 12:59 |
| koke | ajmitch: but you are a lot closer :) | 12:59 |
| ajmitch | yeah | 01:00 |
| ajmitch | I might be living in australia next year | 01:00 |
| koke | I don't know when I'll be able to be there again | 01:00 |
| koke | and I've wanted to visit .au and .nz for a long tima | 01:00 |
| koke | time | 01:00 |
| ajmitch | .nz is nice :) | 01:00 |
| ajmitch | koke: are you going to visit NZ after UDU? | 01:00 |
| koke | someday I'll visit (I hope) | 01:00 |
| koke | ajmitch: I don't think so :( | 01:00 |
| koke | brb | 01:01 |
| ajmitch | ah, that's a shame | 01:01 |
| tseng | jeez i do not want to go to work today | 01:01 |
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| tseng | tommorow i fly! | 01:01 |
| ogra | ajmitch, i would (if you pay my flight rescheduling :-P) | 01:01 |
| ogra | tseng, YEAH | 01:01 |
| ajmitch | yeah, I've got work tomorrow as well | 01:01 |
| tseng | :D | 01:01 |
| tseng | see you there! | 01:02 |
| === tseng work. | ||
| ajmitch | heh :) | 01:02 |
| ajmitch | see you in sydney! ;) | 01:02 |
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| ajmitch | ok, good night | 01:06 |
| ajmitch | will talk to you all tomorrow | 01:06 |
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| mfilizzi | I have a new package that I would like to get approved for Universe. per Jonathan Riddell it's posted on the MOTUNewPackages page. He suggested I hit some people up over here to review it for me. | 04:01 |
| Burgundavia | not many here, add it to the page, and it will get reviewed in time | 04:03 |
| mfilizzi | thanks | 04:04 |
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| herve | heya! | 07:28 |
| bddebian | Hello her | 07:28 |
| bddebian | herve even... | 07:28 |
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| \sh | yo herve | 07:58 |
| herve | yo :-) | 07:59 |
| \sh | grmpf | 08:03 |
| \sh | k3b is bad | 08:03 |
| \sh | it asked for cdrdao..but has only a suggested package dep | 08:04 |
| \sh | but it's user annoying when this app asks you for a tool which is not installed | 08:04 |
| herve | not even recommended? | 08:04 |
| herve | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=263887 | 08:06 |
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| \sh | sure..only recommended | 08:07 |
| herve | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=296228 | 08:07 |
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| Amaranth | sorry, was testing something | 08:07 |
| herve | Amaranth, you're free to leave and come back -:) | 08:08 |
| \sh | well | 08:09 |
| \sh | well | 08:09 |
| \sh | and again well | 08:09 |
| \sh | it's all bullshit what debian and the sourcemonkeys of k3b are doing | 08:09 |
| \sh | first of all...if an application is bugging me: this and that application is not installed, so I don't have to complete functionality, I, as a user, will going to install it. | 08:11 |
| \sh | but if the application is saying: well, i can run without it, and I can burn cds without it, so what... | 08:12 |
| \sh | it's annoying , both ways | 08:12 |
| herve | "I can run without it, though I'm pretty much useless... pretty interface still, isn't it?" | 08:13 |
| Amaranth | lmao, you mean k3b and cdrdao? | 08:14 |
| \sh | yepp | 08:14 |
| \sh | the error message at the beginning gives the picture: without cdrdao I can't burn cds | 08:15 |
| \sh | well..is vcdimager working together with cdrecord? | 08:15 |
| \sh | because of the bue/bin file ? | 08:15 |
| \sh | cue/bin file ;) | 08:16 |
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| \sh | ok | 08:24 |
| \sh | u can use cdrtools to burn cue/bin projects..so cdrdao is not needed anymore... | 08:25 |
| \sh | I could patch this out of the k3b source ,) | 08:25 |
| \sh | and remove cdrdao from control as a recommended package | 08:25 |
| === Amaranth hopes libburn someday replaces all these command line tools | ||
| \sh | hehe... | 08:27 |
| \sh | k3b is really stupid | 08:27 |
| \sh | File -> New -> VCD Project ==> You need vcdimager | 08:27 |
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| \sh | but, cdrdao is used for burning *lol* | 08:28 |
| herve | well, you can still generate iso files, can't you? | 08:28 |
| \sh | but vcdimager makes cue/bin files | 08:32 |
| herve | yes but it's not k3b :-) | 08:34 |
| \sh | k3b uses vcdimager | 08:38 |
| herve | is vcdimager a GUI? | 08:39 |
| \sh | no... | 08:40 |
| \sh | commandline | 08:40 |
| \sh | it converts mpg files to vcd compatible structure | 08:40 |
| \sh | and it's not working at all :) | 08:40 |
| \sh | doing the conversion by hand, it's ok | 08:40 |
| \sh | with k3b it breaks :) finally with the actual vcdimager version of ubuntu ;) | 08:41 |
| herve | that's the point | 08:42 |
| herve | vcdimager is too geeky :-) | 08:42 |
| herve | and k3b a nice front-end | 08:42 |
| herve | ... | 08:42 |
| herve | to packages it is not depending on... :-) | 08:43 |
| \sh | hmmm..transcode is geeky | 08:44 |
| \sh | vcdimager is easy | 08:44 |
| \sh | vcdimager -t svcd -c test.cue -b test.bin blade.mpg ;) | 08:45 |
| herve | seriously speaking, it's still a command line tool | 08:45 |
| \sh | herve: it doesn't matter, if there is a gui, why not, but it should work with the gui :) if the gui is calling the cli...it depends on it | 08:47 |
| herve | that's my point too | 08:47 |
| \sh | well...it's vcdxgen fault | 08:48 |
| \sh | shermann@shermann-laptop:/media/hda1/Videos$ vcdxgen --filename-encoding=iso-8859-1 blade.mpg | 08:48 |
| \sh | **ERROR: charset conversion failed | 08:48 |
| \sh | --filename-encoding=STRING use given charset encoding for | 08:48 |
| \sh | filenames instead of UTF8 | 08:48 |
| \sh | and running vcdxgen --filename-encoding=utf8 blade.mpg ==> works | 08:49 |
| herve | try with latin1 | 08:49 |
| \sh | jepp | 08:50 |
| \sh | works | 08:50 |
| \sh | and k3b doesn't use it this option and fails... | 08:51 |
| \sh | cause vcdimager blade.mpg failes | 08:51 |
| \sh | -e | 08:51 |
| \sh | fixing it | 09:00 |
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| \sh | vcdimager has a bug | 09:06 |
| \sh | it's fixed in 0.7.21 | 09:06 |
| \sh | are we syncing against testing or unstable? | 09:07 |
| \sh | btw herve can u upload now? | 09:09 |
| Burgundavia | unstable | 09:11 |
| herve | \sh, no answer from mako nor elmo | 09:13 |
| \sh | Burgundavia: thx | 09:13 |
| \sh | ok...I'll wait with the fix | 09:13 |
| \sh | 0.7.21 is in unstable | 09:13 |
| Burgundavia | elmo is on vacation | 09:13 |
| Burgundavia | until 23 from what I understand | 09:14 |
| herve | usually free software folks have more time during their holidays | 09:14 |
| herve | there it's the contrary, he retires from free software stuff :-) | 09:14 |
| \sh | ok..what about bugfixes for hoary=? | 09:32 |
| herve | if it's not a critical or security fix, don't care | 09:39 |
| ajmitch | morning | 09:40 |
| herve | hi ajmitch | 09:42 |
| \sh | herve: functionality? | 09:43 |
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| herve | \sh, no new features, for sure | 09:43 |
| \sh | herve: not new features..old features | 09:43 |
| herve | you're fixing an old feature? | 09:44 |
| \sh | herve: vcd burning is an old feature...but because of a bug in vcdimager is it not working | 09:44 |
| ajmitch | I suppose I should start packing today :) | 09:45 |
| herve | ajmitch, for the udu?N | 09:45 |
| \sh | ajmitch: upload first ;) | 09:45 |
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| \sh | ogra told me you should upload before you leave ;) | 09:45 |
| herve | \sh, the broken feature isn't harmful? | 09:45 |
| \sh | herve: annoying :) | 09:45 |
| herve | he told me too! | 09:45 |
| \sh | it doesn't work | 09:45 |
| ajmitch | \sh: upload what? ;) | 09:45 |
| herve | \sh, I doubt it makes it to hoary them :-) | 09:46 |
| herve | ajmitch, I don't have upload rights yet | 09:46 |
| \sh | ajmich: http://www.ubuntulinux.com/wiki/StephanHermann <- buglist | 09:46 |
| herve | s/them/then | 09:46 |
| \sh | ajmitch: dsc and diff.gz are all on http://ubuntu.linux-server.org/<packagename> | 09:46 |
| ajmitch | \sh: bugfixes or new packages? | 09:47 |
| \sh | bugfixes | 09:47 |
| \sh | new packages are on motunewpackages :) | 09:47 |
| === ajmitch is waiting vewy vewy patiently for his box :) | ||
| ajmitch | \sh: submitted bugreport & patch to debian? | 09:47 |
| \sh | ajmitch: for one package yes...the rest is .desktop bla | 09:48 |
| ajmitch | .desktop files may still be appreciated by debian maintainers | 09:48 |
| \sh | ajmitch: malone bugs ;) everything is there | 09:48 |
| herve | ajmitch, I have one upload pending | 09:48 |
| \sh | ajmitch: if they're ok..i will send them all to debian :) | 09:49 |
| herve | maybe another but I get a silly bug | 09:49 |
| ajmitch | ok, but I have to go to work about 10 minutes ago ;) | 09:49 |
| herve | woops! | 09:49 |
| herve | :-) | 09:49 |
| \sh | ajmitch: go then :) | 09:50 |
| ajmitch | I'll upload one, at least.. | 09:50 |
| ajmitch | lintian needs fixed | 09:50 |
| \sh | ajmitch: I don't mind :) | 09:50 |
| \sh | ajmitch: i can wait :) | 09:50 |
| ajmitch | tagtool uploaded | 09:51 |
| \sh | ah thx :) | 09:51 |
| ajmitch | ethereal is too large to grab quickly ;) | 09:51 |
| \sh | then forget about mysql-admin etc. | 09:52 |
| ajmitch | ok, will talk from work | 09:52 |
| \sh | ok cu :) | 09:52 |
| \sh | where can I make proposals for QA? | 09:54 |
| herve | ubuntu? no idea | 09:56 |
| \sh | is there a ML for this? ubuntu-chiefs ? ,-) | 09:58 |
| herve | sounder? :-) | 09:59 |
| \sh | i found something on the wiki | 10:00 |
| \sh | http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UbuntuProcedures | 10:01 |
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| \sh | cheers guys, my first beer for today and my last ;) | 10:17 |
| \sh | strike. | 10:17 |
| \sh | tagtool compiled for all three archs | 10:17 |
| ajmitch_ | great | 10:39 |
| \sh | thx ajmitch | 10:39 |
| \sh | now I'm writing a proposal for a better QA | 10:40 |
| \sh | and for a changing in bugfixes for stable releases | 10:40 |
| \sh | oh well...my english | 10:41 |
| \sh | for a different view of bugfixes in the stable release ;) | 10:41 |
| \sh | better? | 10:41 |
| === ajmitch_ isn't sure :) | ||
| \sh | denglish ;) | 10:43 |
| \sh | mixture of german and english ;) | 10:43 |
| herve | night all | 10:50 |
| \sh | night herve..oh he's gone | 10:50 |
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| tseng | hi | 11:26 |
| ajmitch_ | hi tseng | 11:28 |
| \sh | re tseng | 11:28 |
| ajmitch_ | how long until you leave? | 11:28 |
| \sh | if you have time, please re-read this proposal and fix some mistakes (increase the version number please) and annotate the fixes with your name :) thx | 11:29 |
| \sh | https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/ProposalForABetterQAForUbuntu | 11:29 |
| tseng | i leave tommorow night | 11:29 |
| tseng | 6pm EST iirc | 11:29 |
| tseng | im not sure we have bad qa atm | 11:36 |
| tseng | saying you want to improve qa as a blanket statement is a slippery slope | 11:36 |
| ajmitch_ | tseng: feel free to add stuff to the selinux bof page :) | 11:37 |
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| tseng | if you want to build a team of users to file bugs in some sort of organized fashion, be our guest | 11:37 |
| tseng | ajmitch_: im mostly along for the ride on that one | 11:37 |
| tseng | ajmitch_: i can install and configure selinux , not much more | 11:38 |
| === ajmitch_ added a couple of items for now, will do more after work | ||
| ajmitch_ | ah alright | 11:38 |
| tseng | i use it on gentoo and fedora | 11:38 |
| tseng | fedora "just works" | 11:38 |
| \sh | tseng: well...QA is never good as it should be, this is not the point | 11:39 |
| \sh | the qa is/was good for ubuntu..not the question...but we can do it better :) | 11:39 |
| tseng | ok then, show me the manpower | 11:40 |
| \sh | and we have to take care about the "after release show" | 11:40 |
| \sh | tseng: this is something else.. we need to establish the structure first, then we will find manpower :) | 11:40 |
| \sh | well...I know the QA of redhat... | 11:41 |
| tseng | thats an oxymoron? | 11:41 |
| tseng | (ever looked in an SRPM) | 11:41 |
| \sh | ... <--- ;) | 11:41 |
| \sh | the QA of redhat was shit | 11:41 |
| tseng | yes. | 11:41 |
| \sh | and the marketing was even more worse then the QA (in europe) | 11:42 |
| \sh | but i don't want to blame anybody... | 11:43 |
| \sh | tseng: but I have to say, the SRPMS of redhat are better then those of suse :( | 11:43 |
| tseng | i found little reason to look at suse until after novel + ximian merger | 11:44 |
| \sh | tseng: hehe :) | 11:44 |
| \sh | tseng: this is also a nice story...buy a gnome company and then buy a kde focused distributor ==> evolution for kde ,-) | 11:45 |
| tseng | i dont like kde | 11:45 |
| tseng | but rather than risk trolling any harder, im going to get dinner or something | 11:46 |
| \sh | ok, then kmail for gnome...;) | 11:46 |
| \sh | i don't have anything against gnome/kde..i'm using :) | 11:46 |
| \sh | the switch user function of kde is a nice one ;) | 11:47 |
| Amaranth | FUSA is nice too | 11:54 |
| \sh | fusa? | 11:54 |
| Amaranth | Fast User Switch Applet | 11:55 |
| \sh | this is for gnome, right | 11:55 |
| Amaranth | I always just had a link on my panel for gdmflexiserver. | 11:55 |
| Amaranth | Yeah | 11:55 |
| \sh | but it's not enabled by default | 11:56 |
| Amaranth | http://ignore-your.tv/fusa/ | 11:56 |
| Amaranth | This is new. | 11:56 |
| \sh | nice :) | 11:57 |
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