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[01:22] yes [01:23] 6:30 about [01:32] cool === trulux [~lorenzo@trulux.user] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:32] need to check when koke and ajmitch arrive [01:33] dholbach: saturday afternoon [01:34] just got the spending money in my account this morning ;) [01:39] woohoo, cool [01:39] yeah, it means I can pay a friend back who I owe some money to :) === chuck_ [~chuck@198.62.158.205] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra [~ogra@CPE-60-225-18-37.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bddebian [~bddebian@pcp08717087pcs.phnixv01.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zul [~chuck@CPE0006258ec6c2-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === herzi [~herzi@c128039.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dholbach [~daniel@CPE-60-225-18-37.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:14] hi dholbach [03:14] hey tseng [03:14] how are you? [03:15] good === mfilizzi [~mfilizzi@pcp05017262pcs.blumtn01.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra [~ogra@CPE-60-225-18-37.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === moyogo [~moyogo@69.156.166.86] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jaldhar [~jaldhar@pcp09354787pcs.jersyc01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fabbione [~fabbione@port49.ds1-van.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:10] see you later === bradb|out [~bradb@MTL-ppp-144647.qc.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === kurros [~wade@92-14.26-24.tampabay.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === JanC [~janc@JanC.member.lugwv] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Unfrgiven [~ankur@cfshbr-c17-1.atm-8-35.CoffsHarbour.dft.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === aisipos [~anton@dsl081-081-225.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === encolpe [~encolpe@81.56.211.189] has joined #ubuntu-motu === darkaudi1 [~bpack@pool-151-205-45-125.clrk.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === encolpe [~encolpe@81.56.211.189] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:06] <\sh> gentlemen === Burgundavia [~corey@24.68.135.21] has joined #ubuntu-motu === spacey [~spacey@flits101-191.flits.rug.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rubenv [~lambda1@kotnet-148.kulnet.kuleuven.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Seveas [~seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fwiffo [~fwiffo@dhcpserver0.oersted.dtu.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === herzi [~herzi@c208188.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === d3vic3 [~d3vic3@dumbledore.hbd.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === spacey [~spacey@145.33.144.127] has joined #ubuntu-motu === HiddenWolf [~hidden@136.109.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === GheRivero [~ghe@hiscpdprx01.upsa.es] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra [~ogra@CPE-60-225-18-37.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === motaboy [~motaboy@host233-36.pool80182.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra [~ogra@CPE-60-225-18-37.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === herzi [~herzi@c208188.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === koke [~koke@155.210.13.152] has joined #ubuntu-motu === encolpe [~encolpe@81.56.211.189] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] [11:45] <\sh> morning ogra [11:52] <\sh> https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/bugs/457 === spacey [~spacey@145.33.144.127] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:17] \sh: are you sure k3b needs cdrdao?? [12:17] http://k3b.plainblack.com/requirements <-- it's optional [12:18] koke@ababol ~ $ LC_ALL=C apt-cache depends k3b | grep cdrdao [12:18] Suggests: cdrdao === motaboy [~motaboy@host233-36.pool80182.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jaldhar [~jaldhar@pcp09354787pcs.jersyc01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bradb|out [~bradb@MTL-ppp-144647.qc.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra [~ogra@CPE-60-225-18-37.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === d3vic3 [~d3vic3@dumbledore.hbd.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:44] <\sh> koke: well, it asks you for it , when you start it directly [12:47] <\sh> koke: and for 0.3.10 it was required...strange [12:47] <\sh> behaviour [12:50] --> ogra (~ogra@CPE-60-225-18-37.nsw.bigpond.net.au) <-- you too already in .au?? [12:50] since monday, yes :) [12:50] linuxconf? [12:50] koke, when will you arrive ? [12:50] ograconf [12:51] nah, like tseng said [12:51] blueparrotconf [12:51] http://www.blueparrot.com.au/ [12:51] 24 @ 05:55 [12:52] ah, great, so you have a day to see sydney at least [12:53] hi [12:56] hi [12:56] hmmm, 05:55 is 21:55 @ BIO, and after 2 days flying, I guess I'll need to rest a bit :) [12:56] koke: ill be there 6:30 [12:56] no no [12:56] we are hitting the town [12:56] you can sleep until i get there [12:57] sounds like fun :) [12:57] I don't know what I'll get up to when I get there [12:57] ...going out [12:57] koke, you shouldnt, else you will have a very weird sleep schedule.... one needs to stay awake the first day [12:57] maybe on sunday afternoon [12:57] you go out the 24th or bush. [12:58] bust*. [12:58] heh [12:58] every other day is scheduled until 9 [12:58] and most things in .au seem to close at 4-5 [12:58] nah, it's not that bad [12:58] I did spend a couple of months in .au last year [12:58] so I don't care as much about the tourist stuff :) [12:59] i would just feel bad going all that way and not seeing a few things [12:59] the bridge, opera house, and the beach [12:59] yeah, but I could go to sydney for the weekend if I wanted, it's close enough [12:59] ajmitch: but you are a lot closer :) [01:00] yeah [01:00] I might be living in australia next year [01:00] I don't know when I'll be able to be there again [01:00] and I've wanted to visit .au and .nz for a long tima [01:00] time [01:00] .nz is nice :) [01:00] koke: are you going to visit NZ after UDU? [01:00] someday I'll visit (I hope) [01:00] ajmitch: I don't think so :( [01:01] brb [01:01] ah, that's a shame [01:01] jeez i do not want to go to work today === ajmitch wants to visit europe at some point [01:01] tommorow i fly! [01:01] ajmitch, i would (if you pay my flight rescheduling :-P) [01:01] tseng, YEAH [01:01] yeah, I've got work tomorrow as well [01:01] :D [01:02] see you there! === tseng work. [01:02] heh :) [01:02] see you in sydney! ;) === ajmitch considers going off to sleep [01:06] ok, good night [01:06] will talk to you all tomorrow === koke [~koke@155.210.13.152] has joined #ubuntu-motu === spacey [~spacey@145.33.144.127] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [~travis@ip68-229-188-97.om.om.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === nocturnal_moxie [~francisco@adsl-67-118-10-214.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === nocturnal_moxie [~francisco@adsl-67-118-10-214.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === spacey [~spacey@145.33.144.127] has joined #ubuntu-motu === da_bon_bon [~rohandhru@203.212.221.132] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Gervystar [~gervystar@62.94.208.119] has joined #ubuntu-motu === spacey [~spacey@flits101-191.flits.rug.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tritium [~mrimbert@ee213-dhcp-5.ecn.purdue.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === HostingGeek [~HG@200.48.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _matth [matth@uruk-hai.bioinformatics.unsw.EDU.AU] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:01] I have a new package that I would like to get approved for Universe. per Jonathan Riddell it's posted on the MOTUNewPackages page. He suggested I hit some people up over here to review it for me. [04:03] not many here, add it to the page, and it will get reviewed in time [04:04] thanks === Danten [~danten@h230n10c1o1049.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bradb|out [~bradb@MTL-ppp-144647.qc.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mfilizzi [~mfilizzi@pcp05017262pcs.blumtn01.pa.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Konversation] === jbailey [~jbailey@CPE000ded9d787c-CM014260028338.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] === rubenv [~lambda1@kotnet-148.kulnet.kuleuven.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ozamosi [~ozamosi@80.252.185.155] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Dantis [~danten@h115n2c1o1049.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Seveas [~seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bddebian [~bddebian@user216-178-65-218.netcarrier.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Dantis [~danten@h136n9c1o1049.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === herve [~hcauwelie@ip-3.net-81-220-179.nice.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:28] heya! [07:28] Hello her [07:28] herve even... === D-FENZ [~dfenz@220-253-92-110.QLD.netspace.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bradb_ [~bradb@MTL-ppp-144647.qc.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:58] <\sh> yo herve [07:59] yo :-) [08:03] <\sh> grmpf [08:03] <\sh> k3b is bad [08:04] <\sh> it asked for cdrdao..but has only a suggested package dep [08:04] <\sh> but it's user annoying when this app asks you for a tool which is not installed [08:04] not even recommended? [08:06] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=263887 === Amaranth [~travis@ip68-229-188-97.om.om.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:07] <\sh> sure..only recommended [08:07] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=296228 === Amaranth [~travis@ip68-229-188-97.om.om.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:07] sorry, was testing something [08:08] Amaranth, you're free to leave and come back -:) [08:09] <\sh> well [08:09] <\sh> well [08:09] <\sh> and again well [08:09] <\sh> it's all bullshit what debian and the sourcemonkeys of k3b are doing [08:11] <\sh> first of all...if an application is bugging me: this and that application is not installed, so I don't have to complete functionality, I, as a user, will going to install it. [08:12] <\sh> but if the application is saying: well, i can run without it, and I can burn cds without it, so what... [08:12] <\sh> it's annoying , both ways [08:13] "I can run without it, though I'm pretty much useless... pretty interface still, isn't it?" [08:14] lmao, you mean k3b and cdrdao? [08:14] <\sh> yepp [08:15] <\sh> the error message at the beginning gives the picture: without cdrdao I can't burn cds [08:15] <\sh> well..is vcdimager working together with cdrecord? [08:15] <\sh> because of the bue/bin file ? [08:16] <\sh> cue/bin file ;) === netjoined: irc.freenode.net -> tolkien.freenode.net === Riddell [jr@muse.19inch.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:24] <\sh> ok [08:25] <\sh> u can use cdrtools to burn cue/bin projects..so cdrdao is not needed anymore... [08:25] <\sh> I could patch this out of the k3b source ,) [08:25] <\sh> and remove cdrdao from control as a recommended package === Amaranth hopes libburn someday replaces all these command line tools [08:27] <\sh> hehe... [08:27] <\sh> k3b is really stupid [08:27] <\sh> File -> New -> VCD Project ==> You need vcdimager === Riddell [jr@muse.19inch.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:28] <\sh> but, cdrdao is used for burning *lol* [08:28] well, you can still generate iso files, can't you? [08:32] <\sh> but vcdimager makes cue/bin files [08:34] yes but it's not k3b :-) [08:38] <\sh> k3b uses vcdimager [08:39] is vcdimager a GUI? [08:40] <\sh> no... [08:40] <\sh> commandline [08:40] <\sh> it converts mpg files to vcd compatible structure [08:40] <\sh> and it's not working at all :) [08:40] <\sh> doing the conversion by hand, it's ok [08:41] <\sh> with k3b it breaks :) finally with the actual vcdimager version of ubuntu ;) [08:42] that's the point [08:42] vcdimager is too geeky :-) [08:42] and k3b a nice front-end [08:42] ... [08:43] to packages it is not depending on... :-) [08:44] <\sh> hmmm..transcode is geeky [08:44] <\sh> vcdimager is easy [08:45] <\sh> vcdimager -t svcd -c test.cue -b test.bin blade.mpg ;) [08:45] seriously speaking, it's still a command line tool [08:47] <\sh> herve: it doesn't matter, if there is a gui, why not, but it should work with the gui :) if the gui is calling the cli...it depends on it [08:47] that's my point too [08:48] <\sh> well...it's vcdxgen fault [08:48] <\sh> shermann@shermann-laptop:/media/hda1/Videos$ vcdxgen --filename-encoding=iso-8859-1 blade.mpg [08:48] <\sh> **ERROR: charset conversion failed [08:48] <\sh> --filename-encoding=STRING use given charset encoding for [08:48] <\sh> filenames instead of UTF8 [08:49] <\sh> and running vcdxgen --filename-encoding=utf8 blade.mpg ==> works [08:49] try with latin1 [08:50] <\sh> jepp [08:50] <\sh> works [08:51] <\sh> and k3b doesn't use it this option and fails... [08:51] <\sh> cause vcdimager blade.mpg failes [08:51] <\sh> -e [09:00] <\sh> fixing it === maskie [~maskie@196-30-108-202.uudial.uunet.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:06] <\sh> vcdimager has a bug [09:06] <\sh> it's fixed in 0.7.21 [09:07] <\sh> are we syncing against testing or unstable? [09:09] <\sh> btw herve can u upload now? [09:11] unstable [09:13] \sh, no answer from mako nor elmo [09:13] <\sh> Burgundavia: thx [09:13] <\sh> ok...I'll wait with the fix [09:13] <\sh> 0.7.21 is in unstable [09:13] elmo is on vacation [09:14] until 23 from what I understand [09:14] usually free software folks have more time during their holidays [09:14] there it's the contrary, he retires from free software stuff :-) [09:32] <\sh> ok..what about bugfixes for hoary=? [09:39] if it's not a critical or security fix, don't care [09:40] morning [09:42] hi ajmitch [09:43] <\sh> herve: functionality? === StoneTable [stone@dhcp65-74-193-86.sdn.det.wayport.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:43] \sh, no new features, for sure [09:43] <\sh> herve: not new features..old features [09:44] you're fixing an old feature? [09:44] <\sh> herve: vcd burning is an old feature...but because of a bug in vcdimager is it not working [09:45] I suppose I should start packing today :) [09:45] ajmitch, for the udu?N [09:45] <\sh> ajmitch: upload first ;) === bradb_ [~bradb@MTL-ppp-144647.qc.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:45] <\sh> ogra told me you should upload before you leave ;) [09:45] \sh, the broken feature isn't harmful? [09:45] <\sh> herve: annoying :) [09:45] he told me too! [09:45] <\sh> it doesn't work [09:45] \sh: upload what? ;) [09:46] \sh, I doubt it makes it to hoary them :-) [09:46] ajmitch, I don't have upload rights yet [09:46] <\sh> ajmich: http://www.ubuntulinux.com/wiki/StephanHermann <- buglist [09:46] s/them/then [09:46] <\sh> ajmitch: dsc and diff.gz are all on http://ubuntu.linux-server.org/ [09:47] \sh: bugfixes or new packages? [09:47] <\sh> bugfixes [09:47] <\sh> new packages are on motunewpackages :) === ajmitch is waiting vewy vewy patiently for his box :) [09:47] \sh: submitted bugreport & patch to debian? [09:48] <\sh> ajmitch: for one package yes...the rest is .desktop bla [09:48] .desktop files may still be appreciated by debian maintainers [09:48] <\sh> ajmitch: malone bugs ;) everything is there [09:48] ajmitch, I have one upload pending [09:49] <\sh> ajmitch: if they're ok..i will send them all to debian :) [09:49] maybe another but I get a silly bug [09:49] ok, but I have to go to work about 10 minutes ago ;) [09:49] woops! [09:49] :-) [09:50] <\sh> ajmitch: go then :) [09:50] I'll upload one, at least.. [09:50] lintian needs fixed [09:50] <\sh> ajmitch: I don't mind :) [09:50] <\sh> ajmitch: i can wait :) [09:51] tagtool uploaded [09:51] <\sh> ah thx :) [09:51] ethereal is too large to grab quickly ;) [09:52] <\sh> then forget about mysql-admin etc. [09:52] ok, will talk from work [09:52] <\sh> ok cu :) [09:54] <\sh> where can I make proposals for QA? [09:56] ubuntu? no idea [09:58] <\sh> is there a ML for this? ubuntu-chiefs ? ,-) [09:59] sounder? :-) [10:00] <\sh> i found something on the wiki [10:01] <\sh> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UbuntuProcedures === Danten [~danten@h143n2c1o1049.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:17] <\sh> cheers guys, my first beer for today and my last ;) [10:17] <\sh> strike. [10:17] <\sh> tagtool compiled for all three archs [10:39] great [10:39] <\sh> thx ajmitch [10:40] <\sh> now I'm writing a proposal for a better QA [10:40] <\sh> and for a changing in bugfixes for stable releases [10:41] <\sh> oh well...my english [10:41] <\sh> for a different view of bugfixes in the stable release ;) [10:41] <\sh> better? === ajmitch_ isn't sure :) [10:43] <\sh> denglish ;) [10:43] <\sh> mixture of german and english ;) [10:50] night all [10:50] <\sh> night herve..oh he's gone === tritium [~mrimbert@ee213-dhcp-5.ecn.purdue.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ozamosi [~ozamosi@80.252.185.155] has joined #ubuntu-motu === HiddenWolf [~hidden@136.109.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _matth is now known as matth === ozamosi [~ozamosi@80.252.185.155] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:26] hi [11:28] hi tseng [11:28] <\sh> re tseng [11:28] how long until you leave? [11:29] <\sh> if you have time, please re-read this proposal and fix some mistakes (increase the version number please) and annotate the fixes with your name :) thx [11:29] <\sh> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/ProposalForABetterQAForUbuntu [11:29] i leave tommorow night [11:29] 6pm EST iirc [11:36] im not sure we have bad qa atm [11:36] saying you want to improve qa as a blanket statement is a slippery slope [11:37] tseng: feel free to add stuff to the selinux bof page :) === djm62 [~djm62@82-40-60-28.cable.ubr08.uddi.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:37] if you want to build a team of users to file bugs in some sort of organized fashion, be our guest [11:37] ajmitch_: im mostly along for the ride on that one [11:38] ajmitch_: i can install and configure selinux , not much more === ajmitch_ added a couple of items for now, will do more after work [11:38] ah alright [11:38] i use it on gentoo and fedora [11:38] fedora "just works" [11:39] <\sh> tseng: well...QA is never good as it should be, this is not the point [11:39] <\sh> the qa is/was good for ubuntu..not the question...but we can do it better :) [11:40] ok then, show me the manpower [11:40] <\sh> and we have to take care about the "after release show" [11:40] <\sh> tseng: this is something else.. we need to establish the structure first, then we will find manpower :) [11:41] <\sh> well...I know the QA of redhat... [11:41] thats an oxymoron? [11:41] (ever looked in an SRPM) [11:41] <\sh> ... <--- ;) [11:41] <\sh> the QA of redhat was shit [11:41] yes. [11:42] <\sh> and the marketing was even more worse then the QA (in europe) [11:43] <\sh> but i don't want to blame anybody... [11:43] <\sh> tseng: but I have to say, the SRPMS of redhat are better then those of suse :( [11:44] i found little reason to look at suse until after novel + ximian merger [11:44] <\sh> tseng: hehe :) [11:45] <\sh> tseng: this is also a nice story...buy a gnome company and then buy a kde focused distributor ==> evolution for kde ,-) [11:45] i dont like kde [11:46] but rather than risk trolling any harder, im going to get dinner or something [11:46] <\sh> ok, then kmail for gnome...;) [11:46] <\sh> i don't have anything against gnome/kde..i'm using :) [11:47] <\sh> the switch user function of kde is a nice one ;) [11:54] FUSA is nice too [11:54] <\sh> fusa? [11:55] Fast User Switch Applet [11:55] <\sh> this is for gnome, right [11:55] I always just had a link on my panel for gdmflexiserver. [11:55] Yeah [11:56] <\sh> but it's not enabled by default [11:56] http://ignore-your.tv/fusa/ [11:56] This is new. [11:57] <\sh> nice :)