[01:03] <dholbach> hai
[01:21] <tseng> hi dholbach
[01:21] <tseng> whats up
[01:21] <dholbach> hey tseng
[01:21] <dholbach> enjoying sydney and writing up stuff for the motu/community bofs
[01:21] <tseng> ok
[01:21] <tseng> you pinged me
[01:21] <dholbach> today it's raining a bit, so i dont mind
[01:21] <dholbach> yeah... wanted to know when you arrive
[01:22] <tseng> sunday
[01:22] <dholbach> sunday morning, right?
[01:22] <tseng> yes
[01:23] <tseng> 6:30 about
[01:32] <dholbach> cool
[01:32] <dholbach> need to check when koke and ajmitch arrive
[01:33] <ajmitch> dholbach: saturday afternoon
[01:34] <ajmitch> just got the spending money in my account this morning ;)
[01:39] <dholbach> woohoo, cool
[01:39] <ajmitch> yeah, it means I can pay a friend back who I owe some money to :)
[03:14] <tseng> hi dholbach
[03:14] <dholbach> hey tseng
[03:14] <dholbach> how are you?
[03:15] <tseng> good
[05:10] <dholbach> see you later
[08:06] <\sh> gentlemen
[11:45] <\sh> morning ogra
[11:52] <\sh> https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/bugs/457
[12:17] <koke> \sh: are you sure k3b needs cdrdao??
[12:17] <koke> http://k3b.plainblack.com/requirements <-- it's optional
[12:18] <koke> koke@ababol ~ $ LC_ALL=C apt-cache depends k3b | grep cdrdao
[12:18] <koke>   Suggests: cdrdao
[12:44] <\sh> koke: well, it asks you for it , when you start it directly
[12:47] <\sh> koke: and for 0.3.10 it was required...strange
[12:47] <\sh> behaviour
[12:50] <koke> --> ogra (~ogra@CPE-60-225-18-37.nsw.bigpond.net.au) <-- you too already in .au??
[12:50] <ogra> since monday, yes :)
[12:50] <koke> linuxconf?
[12:50] <ogra> koke, when will you arrive ?
[12:50] <tseng> ograconf
[12:51] <ogra> nah, like tseng said
[12:51] <ogra> blueparrotconf
[12:51] <ogra> http://www.blueparrot.com.au/
[12:51] <koke> 24 @ 05:55
[12:52] <ogra> ah, great, so you have a day to see sydney at least
[12:53] <ajmitch> hi
[12:56] <tseng> hi
[12:56] <koke> hmmm, 05:55 is 21:55 @ BIO, and after 2 days flying, I guess I'll need to rest a bit :)
[12:56] <tseng> koke: ill be there 6:30
[12:56] <tseng> no no
[12:56] <tseng> we are hitting the town
[12:56] <tseng> you can sleep until i get there
[12:57] <ajmitch> sounds like fun :)
[12:57] <ajmitch> I don't know what I'll get up to when I get there
[12:57] <tseng> ...going out
[12:57] <ogra> koke, you shouldnt, else you will have a very weird sleep schedule.... one needs to stay awake the first day
[12:57] <ajmitch> maybe on sunday afternoon
[12:57] <tseng> you go out the 24th or bush.
[12:58] <tseng> bust*.
[12:58] <ajmitch> heh
[12:58] <tseng> every other day is scheduled until 9
[12:58] <tseng> and most things in .au seem to close at 4-5
[12:58] <ajmitch> nah, it's not that bad
[12:58] <ajmitch> I did spend a couple of months in .au last year
[12:58] <ajmitch> so I don't care as much about the tourist stuff :)
[12:59] <tseng> i would just feel bad going all that way and not seeing a few things
[12:59] <tseng> the bridge, opera house, and the beach
[12:59] <ajmitch> yeah, but I could go to sydney for the weekend if I wanted, it's close enough
[12:59] <koke> ajmitch: but you are a lot closer :)
[01:00] <ajmitch> yeah
[01:00] <ajmitch> I might be living in australia next year
[01:00] <koke> I don't know when I'll be able to be there again
[01:00] <koke> and I've wanted to visit .au and .nz for a long tima
[01:00] <koke> time
[01:00] <ajmitch> .nz is nice :)
[01:00] <ajmitch> koke: are you going to visit NZ after UDU?
[01:00] <koke> someday I'll visit (I hope)
[01:00] <koke> ajmitch: I don't think so :(
[01:01] <koke> brb
[01:01] <ajmitch> ah, that's a shame
[01:01] <tseng> jeez i do not want to go to work today
[01:01] <tseng> tommorow i fly!
[01:01] <ogra> ajmitch, i would (if you pay my flight rescheduling :-P)
[01:01] <ogra> tseng, YEAH
[01:01] <ajmitch> yeah, I've got work tomorrow as well
[01:01] <tseng> :D
[01:02] <tseng> see you there!
[01:02] <ajmitch> heh :)
[01:02] <ajmitch> see you in sydney! ;)
[01:06] <ajmitch> ok, good night
[01:06] <ajmitch> will talk to you all tomorrow
[04:01] <mfilizzi> I have a new package that I would like to get approved for Universe.  per Jonathan Riddell it's posted on the MOTUNewPackages page.  He suggested I hit some people up over here to review it for me.
[04:03] <Burgundavia> not many here, add it to the page, and it will get reviewed in time
[04:04] <mfilizzi> thanks
[07:28] <herve> heya!
[07:28] <bddebian> Hello her
[07:28] <bddebian> herve even...
[07:58] <\sh> yo herve
[07:59] <herve> yo :-)
[08:03] <\sh> grmpf
[08:03] <\sh> k3b is bad
[08:04] <\sh> it asked for cdrdao..but has only a suggested package dep
[08:04] <\sh> but it's user annoying when this app asks you for a tool which is not installed
[08:04] <herve> not even recommended?
[08:06] <herve> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=263887
[08:07] <\sh> sure..only recommended
[08:07] <herve> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=296228
[08:07] <Amaranth> sorry, was testing something
[08:08] <herve> Amaranth, you're free to leave and come back -:)
[08:09] <\sh> well
[08:09] <\sh> well
[08:09] <\sh> and again well
[08:09] <\sh> it's all bullshit what debian and the sourcemonkeys of k3b are doing
[08:11] <\sh> first of all...if an application is bugging me: this and that application is not installed, so I don't have to complete functionality, I, as a user, will going to install it.
[08:12] <\sh> but if the application is saying: well, i can run without it, and I can burn cds without it, so what...
[08:12] <\sh> it's annoying , both ways
[08:13] <herve> "I can run without it, though I'm pretty much useless... pretty interface still, isn't it?"
[08:14] <Amaranth> lmao, you mean k3b and cdrdao?
[08:14] <\sh> yepp
[08:15] <\sh> the error message at the beginning gives the picture: without cdrdao I can't burn cds
[08:15] <\sh> well..is vcdimager working together with cdrecord?
[08:15] <\sh> because of the bue/bin file ?
[08:16] <\sh> cue/bin file ;)
[08:24] <\sh> ok
[08:25] <\sh> u can use cdrtools to burn cue/bin projects..so cdrdao is not needed anymore...
[08:25] <\sh> I could patch this out of the k3b source ,)
[08:25] <\sh> and remove cdrdao from control as a recommended package
[08:27] <\sh> hehe...
[08:27] <\sh> k3b is really stupid
[08:27] <\sh> File -> New -> VCD Project ==> You need vcdimager
[08:28] <\sh> but, cdrdao is used for burning *lol*
[08:28] <herve> well, you can still generate iso files, can't you?
[08:32] <\sh> but vcdimager makes cue/bin files
[08:34] <herve> yes but it's not k3b :-)
[08:38] <\sh> k3b uses vcdimager
[08:39] <herve> is vcdimager a GUI?
[08:40] <\sh> no...
[08:40] <\sh> commandline
[08:40] <\sh> it converts mpg files to vcd compatible structure
[08:40] <\sh> and it's not working at all :)
[08:40] <\sh> doing the conversion by hand, it's ok
[08:41] <\sh> with k3b it breaks :) finally with the actual vcdimager version of ubuntu ;)
[08:42] <herve> that's the point
[08:42] <herve> vcdimager is too geeky :-)
[08:42] <herve> and k3b a nice front-end
[08:42] <herve> ...
[08:43] <herve> to packages it is not depending on... :-)
[08:44] <\sh> hmmm..transcode is geeky
[08:44] <\sh> vcdimager is easy
[08:45] <\sh> vcdimager -t svcd -c test.cue -b test.bin blade.mpg ;)
[08:45] <herve> seriously speaking, it's still a command line tool
[08:47] <\sh> herve: it doesn't matter, if there is a gui, why not, but it should work with the gui :) if the gui is calling the cli...it depends on it
[08:47] <herve> that's my point too
[08:48] <\sh> well...it's vcdxgen fault
[08:48] <\sh> shermann@shermann-laptop:/media/hda1/Videos$ vcdxgen --filename-encoding=iso-8859-1 blade.mpg
[08:48] <\sh> **ERROR: charset conversion failed
[08:48] <\sh> --filename-encoding=STRING            use given charset encoding for
[08:48] <\sh>                                         filenames instead of UTF8
[08:49] <\sh> and running vcdxgen --filename-encoding=utf8 blade.mpg ==> works
[08:49] <herve> try with latin1
[08:50] <\sh> jepp
[08:50] <\sh> works
[08:51] <\sh> and k3b doesn't use it this option and fails...
[08:51] <\sh> cause vcdimager blade.mpg failes
[08:51] <\sh> -e
[09:00] <\sh> fixing it
[09:06] <\sh> vcdimager has a bug
[09:06] <\sh> it's fixed in 0.7.21
[09:07] <\sh> are we syncing against testing or unstable?
[09:09] <\sh> btw herve can u upload now?
[09:11] <Burgundavia> unstable
[09:13] <herve> \sh, no answer from mako nor elmo
[09:13] <\sh> Burgundavia: thx
[09:13] <\sh> ok...I'll wait with the fix
[09:13] <\sh> 0.7.21 is in unstable
[09:13] <Burgundavia> elmo is on vacation
[09:14] <Burgundavia> until 23 from what I understand
[09:14] <herve> usually free software folks have more time during their holidays
[09:14] <herve> there it's the contrary, he retires from free software stuff :-)
[09:32] <\sh> ok..what about bugfixes for hoary=?
[09:39] <herve> if it's not a critical or security fix, don't care
[09:40] <ajmitch> morning
[09:42] <herve> hi ajmitch
[09:43] <\sh> herve: functionality?
[09:43] <herve> \sh, no new features, for sure
[09:43] <\sh> herve: not new features..old features
[09:44] <herve> you're fixing an old feature?
[09:44] <\sh> herve: vcd burning is an old feature...but because of a bug in vcdimager is it not working
[09:45] <ajmitch> I suppose I should start packing today :)
[09:45] <herve> ajmitch, for the udu?N
[09:45] <\sh> ajmitch: upload first ;)
[09:45] <\sh> ogra told me you should upload before you leave ;)
[09:45] <herve> \sh, the broken feature isn't harmful?
[09:45] <\sh> herve: annoying :)
[09:45] <herve> he told me too!
[09:45] <\sh> it doesn't work
[09:45] <ajmitch> \sh: upload what? ;)
[09:46] <herve> \sh, I doubt it makes it to hoary them :-)
[09:46] <herve> ajmitch, I don't have upload rights yet
[09:46] <\sh> ajmich: http://www.ubuntulinux.com/wiki/StephanHermann <- buglist
[09:46] <herve> s/them/then
[09:46] <\sh> ajmitch: dsc and diff.gz are all on http://ubuntu.linux-server.org/<packagename>
[09:47] <ajmitch> \sh: bugfixes or new packages?
[09:47] <\sh> bugfixes
[09:47] <\sh> new packages are on motunewpackages :)
[09:47] <ajmitch> \sh: submitted bugreport & patch to debian?
[09:48] <\sh> ajmitch: for one package yes...the rest is .desktop bla
[09:48] <ajmitch> .desktop files may still be appreciated by debian maintainers
[09:48] <\sh> ajmitch: malone bugs ;) everything is there
[09:48] <herve> ajmitch, I have one upload pending
[09:49] <\sh> ajmitch: if they're ok..i will send them all to debian :)
[09:49] <herve> maybe another but I get a silly bug
[09:49] <ajmitch> ok, but I have to go to work about 10 minutes ago ;)
[09:49] <herve> woops!
[09:49] <herve> :-)
[09:50] <\sh> ajmitch: go then :)
[09:50] <ajmitch> I'll upload one, at least..
[09:50] <ajmitch> lintian needs fixed
[09:50] <\sh> ajmitch: I don't mind :)
[09:50] <\sh> ajmitch: i can wait :)
[09:51] <ajmitch> tagtool uploaded
[09:51] <\sh> ah thx :)
[09:51] <ajmitch> ethereal is too large to grab quickly ;)
[09:52] <\sh> then forget about mysql-admin etc.
[09:52] <ajmitch> ok, will talk from work
[09:52] <\sh> ok cu :)
[09:54] <\sh> where can I make proposals for QA?
[09:56] <herve> ubuntu? no idea
[09:58] <\sh> is there a ML for this? ubuntu-chiefs ? ,-)
[09:59] <herve> sounder? :-)
[10:00] <\sh> i found something on the wiki
[10:01] <\sh> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UbuntuProcedures
[10:17] <\sh> cheers guys, my first beer for today and my last ;)
[10:17] <\sh> strike.
[10:17] <\sh> tagtool compiled for all three archs
[10:39] <ajmitch_> great
[10:39] <\sh> thx ajmitch
[10:40] <\sh> now I'm writing a proposal for a better QA
[10:40] <\sh> and for a changing in bugfixes for stable releases
[10:41] <\sh> oh well...my english
[10:41] <\sh> for a different view of bugfixes in the stable release ;)
[10:41] <\sh> better?
[10:43] <\sh> denglish ;)
[10:43] <\sh> mixture of german and english ;)
[10:50] <herve> night all
[10:50] <\sh> night herve..oh he's gone
[11:26] <tseng> hi
[11:28] <ajmitch_> hi tseng
[11:28] <\sh> re tseng
[11:28] <ajmitch_> how long until you leave?
[11:29] <\sh> if you have time, please re-read this proposal and fix some mistakes (increase the version number please) and annotate the fixes with your name :) thx
[11:29] <\sh> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/ProposalForABetterQAForUbuntu
[11:29] <tseng> i leave tommorow night
[11:29] <tseng> 6pm EST iirc
[11:36] <tseng> im not sure we have bad qa atm
[11:36] <tseng> saying you want to improve qa as a blanket statement is a slippery slope
[11:37] <ajmitch_> tseng: feel free to add stuff to the selinux bof page :)
[11:37] <tseng> if you want to build a team of users to file bugs in some sort of organized fashion, be our guest
[11:37] <tseng> ajmitch_: im mostly along for the ride on that one
[11:38] <tseng> ajmitch_: i can install and configure selinux , not much more
[11:38] <ajmitch_> ah alright
[11:38] <tseng> i use it on gentoo and fedora
[11:38] <tseng> fedora "just works"
[11:39] <\sh> tseng: well...QA is never good as it should be, this is not the point
[11:39] <\sh> the qa is/was good for ubuntu..not the question...but we can do it better :)
[11:40] <tseng> ok then, show me the manpower
[11:40] <\sh> and we have to take care about the "after release show"
[11:40] <\sh> tseng: this is something else.. we need to establish the structure first, then we will find manpower :)
[11:41] <\sh> well...I know the QA of redhat...
[11:41] <tseng> thats an oxymoron?
[11:41] <tseng> (ever looked in an SRPM)
[11:41] <\sh> ... <--- ;)
[11:41] <\sh> the QA of redhat was shit
[11:41] <tseng> yes.
[11:42] <\sh> and the marketing was even more worse then the QA (in europe)
[11:43] <\sh> but i don't want to blame anybody...
[11:43] <\sh> tseng: but I have to say, the SRPMS of redhat are better then those of suse :(
[11:44] <tseng> i found little reason to look at suse until after novel + ximian merger
[11:44] <\sh> tseng: hehe :)
[11:45] <\sh> tseng: this is also a nice story...buy a gnome company and then buy a kde focused distributor ==> evolution for kde ,-)
[11:45] <tseng> i dont like kde
[11:46] <tseng> but rather than risk trolling any harder, im going to get dinner or something
[11:46] <\sh> ok, then kmail for gnome...;)
[11:46] <\sh> i don't have anything against gnome/kde..i'm using :)
[11:47] <\sh> the switch user function of kde is a nice one ;)
[11:54] <Amaranth> FUSA is nice too
[11:54] <\sh> fusa?
[11:55] <Amaranth> Fast User Switch Applet
[11:55] <\sh> this is for gnome, right
[11:55] <Amaranth> I always just had a link on my panel for gdmflexiserver.
[11:55] <Amaranth> Yeah
[11:56] <\sh> but it's not enabled by default
[11:56] <Amaranth> http://ignore-your.tv/fusa/
[11:56] <Amaranth> This is new.
[11:57] <\sh> nice :)