[12:02] <Boogieman> bye
[12:03] <WillHunting> hi ! i would like to know if there's a french
[12:03] <WillHunting> translation for KDE ?
[12:03] <kakalto> whoever I was talking to about the gtk-qt thing, could ya query me again?
[12:04] <kakalto> WillHunting, there will be...
[12:04] <kakalto> I'll see if I can find it
[12:05] <WillHunting> ok, thanks !
[12:05] <kakalto> kde-i18n-fr
[12:05] <Anlar> hey, umm.. I rebooted and my kde lost most of its settings.. ?
[12:05] <Anlar> kicker empty etc
[12:06] <WillHunting> kakalto > I can't find it
[12:06] <kakalto> in synaptic?
[12:07] <kakalto> or kynaptic?
[12:07] <WillHunting> no way
[12:07] <WillHunting> It's not for me
[12:07] <WillHunting> I'm on Debian trying to help a friend
[12:07] <WillHunting> but he can't find it
[12:07] <spiritz> WillHunting: you should add common reposistories to your /etc/apt/sources.list file
[12:07] <kakalto> do you have extra repositories added?
[12:08] <kakalto> WillHunting, > www.ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[12:08] <WillHunting> ok, I give iot a try
[12:08] <spiritz> The package you're looking for is there... I had the same problem lately :)
[12:08] <kakalto> me too :)
[12:12] <WillHunting> kakalto > are you french ?
[12:13] <kakalto> WillHunting, nah
[12:13] <kakalto> I'm learning japanese, and wanted that
[12:14] <WillHunting> hard task ?
[12:15] <kakalto> yeah
[12:16] <kakalto> is kde's menu in an xml file?
[12:19] <WillHunting> no idea
[12:19] <WillHunting> since i use Gnome
[12:19] <kakalto> ah
[12:22] <pr3vi0uz>  what do i download for xchat>?
[12:22] <WillHunting> maybe /usr/share/applnk or ~/.kde/share/applnk
[12:23] <kakalto> pr3vi0uz, sudo apt-get install xchat ?
[12:25] <whiskers> wow....there is a huge discussion on slashdot about the transexual Bill Gates and MS intricate involvement with the homosexuals and transvestities
[12:26] <WillHunting> kakalto maybe have a look here http://freedesktop.org/Standards/menu-spec/0.8/
[12:26] <kakalto> thanks
[12:31] <pr3vi0uz>  is  there a  bittorret for kde?
[12:32] <kakalto> of course
[12:32] <kakalto> pr3vi0uz, azureus is available - www.ubuntuguide.org then scroll down to azureus bittorrent client
[12:34] <whiskers> i am amazed that more than 1000 people on slashdot did not know that Bill Gates has been a transexual for a long time....and MS has been secretly involved in the promotion and superiority of homosexuals and transvestites
[12:35] <kakalto> trans? which is that
[12:35] <kakalto> does with all?
[12:36] <whiskers> kakalto, he had an operation to have a vagina and a penis...so he could make lots of money either way
[12:36] <kakalto> :(
[12:40] <kakalto> honestly?
[12:40] <kakalto> I don't want to know
[12:44] <whiskers> kakalto, but Bill Gates is only one....there are millions of Americans that are foced to become transexuals and transvestites in order to serve the rich capitalist pigs and make some money
[12:45] <whiskers> kakalto, and homosexuals too....whatever they can sell for money
[12:45] <WillHunting> bye kakalto & thanks
[12:45] <WillHunting> & spiritz too
[12:50] <whiskers> kakalto, just remember...MS and Apple are based on BSD and the notion of money....along with the famous BSD symbol of the devil
[12:57] <kakalto> :(
[12:59] <whiskers> kakalto, if you have any trouble spelling those in google....they all like to be called "she-males"    it is much easier for them to spell
[01:01] <whiskers> kakalto, if you type shemale on google you will see more than 1,400,000 Americans voicing their support
[01:02] <kakalto> I think I'll stay well away from BSD and MS and Google's Shemales
[01:09] <whiskers> kakalto, you know what is funny...the people in Sweden come in here and say the American people are all screwed up.
[01:10] <whiskers> kakalto, and i did not even tell them about to google for dykes and 697,000 more Americans
[01:16] <kakalto> what do you mean?
[01:16] <kakalto> are the Swedish screwed up aswell?
[01:30] <pr3vi0uz> how do u install sarge?
[01:31] <syntaxis> pr3vi0uz: http://debian.org/devel/debian-installer
[01:32] <kakalto> I think someone should add to the topic "Google is your friend."
[01:33] <syntaxis> kakalto: the kind of people who don't bother to search generally don't tend to read the channel topics either
[01:37] <kakalto> lol. true that
[01:39] <whiskers> kakalto, and the worse thing is the American government.....it is full of "control freaks"....just google for "control freaks" and see more than 1,000,000 issues
[01:39] <kakalto> I wouldn't want to live in america..
[01:39] <whiskers> kakalto, nobody does....i want out but my papers are messed up
[01:40] <kakalto> :(
[01:40] <kakalto> if ever you get out, go to new zealand
[01:40] <kakalto> we have our own screwy stuff, but atleast the country's green :)
[01:40] <whiskers> kakalto, well my papers are from Greece but they are 1962...and out of date.
[01:41] <kakalto> aww
[01:41] <whiskers> kakalto, so i am trapped here with all this American bullshit
[01:41] <kakalto> poor you
[02:15] <whiskers> look what some of the Americans are saying about these very important issues"
[02:15] <whiskers> I've installed locks on all my doors and windows so those goddamned gays can't sneak in and get up to no good. One look at those pillows, your curtains and you know you've been hit by the gays.
[02:16] <whiskers> but i don't see why people don't google for shemales......there are many Americans that want to get to know you and your wallet
[02:28] <judax> GRR
[02:32] <judax> anyone else still recovering from doing an update today on kdelibs, etc?
[02:32] <duress> need help fixing the issue?
[02:32] <whiskers> judax, well they updated here...but i don't have anything to use them with...i am waiting for kexi
[02:33] <judax> I think I got it worked out, just fixing all the cosmetic things I had set
[02:33] <duress> k
[02:33] <judax> one question:  how do I get the shading on the icon side of menus (left side), eye-candy but I like that
[02:34] <duress> should be an option in the control center
[02:34] <judax> thought it was lipstik-related but cant remember
[02:34] <judax> yeah, not finding it, not that it isn't there just missing it somewhere
[02:46] <whiskers> well you can really see how upset the Americans are becoming about MS change of position from for to neutral but not against.
[02:46] <whiskers>  Why is it states are passing referendums, public referendums, where homosexual marrige is outlawed by votes over 80%?
[02:46] <whiskers> Because the U.S. is full of prejudiced, racist, intolerant, uneducated, fuckheads.
[02:46] <judax> is there anyway to get all the kubuntu customizations back, quickly, and then modify from there?
[02:48] <whiskers> and here is a slashdotters response to the prejudism:
[02:48] <whiskers>  Mmm-hmmmm. So you want to tell 80% of the people to go fuck themselves?
[02:48] <whiskers> If they're wrong I'll gladly tell 99% of the population. Numbers don't make you any more right. Especially when that large percentage is trying to tell me what to do regarding my personal life or doing anything that is not their concern. I'm not gay, but I should go fuck a guy just to piss you self-righteous wankers off.
[02:48] <whiskers> now...the non-gay people want to go fuck the gay people
[02:50] <whiskers> the US is insane...and I hate it here
[02:53] <judax> anyway...is there anyway to get all the kubuntu customizations back, quickly, and then modify from there?
[02:54] <whiskers> judax, you are worried about some minor technical details which will be cleared up in later versions.....there are much greater and more serious problems on the horizon
[02:55] <judax> yes, correct
[03:02] <whiskers> many of the heterosexuals in America want to go fuck the homosexuals just to establish a point
[03:03] <kakalto> since when exactly did #kubuntu become #gay-and-trans-discussion ?
[03:03] <whiskers> kakalto, you don't seem to know what LInux is all about ...do you?
[03:03] <judax> not sure
[03:04] <calim> Hello there, can something tell me how to get direct rendering work with fglrx from the repository?
[03:04] <whiskers> kakalto, apparently you have not been here since the beginning.
[03:04] <kakalto> I thought linux was the only one made for straights...
[03:04] <whiskers> kakalto, Linux was created as a free solution to all those who wanted to escape from a money oriented society and all the shit it produces
[03:04] <calim> ??
[03:04] <whiskers> kakalto, all these things are interrelated
[03:05] <kakalto> so.. money is associated with gays & trans?
[03:05] <judax> whiskers: you been channeling a little R. Stallman today?
[03:05] <kakalto> calim, try #ubuntu we're talking about other stuff at the moment :P
[03:05] <calim> yea, like gay & trans.. im reading.. freaky..
[03:05] <kakalto> very.
[03:06] <kakalto> I think I'll go eat some grass
[03:06] <whiskers> kakalto, well accurately it  IS GNU/LINUX
[03:06] <kakalto> GNU's Not Unix
[03:07] <whiskers> kakalto, that is right...the originators wanted to escape from a money oriented society and all the social ills it produces
[03:07] <kakalto> me eat grass now
[03:07] <kakalto> g'bye
[03:07] <whiskers> kakalto, BSD and UNIX were always about money.
[03:07] <KK|Grass> :(
[03:07] <KK|Grass> atleast I'm using something straight...
[03:07] <KK|Grass> ewww
[03:07] <KK|Grass> that windows logo..
[03:07] <KK|Grass> eww
[03:07] <KK|Grass> bye
[03:08] <whiskers> KK|Grass, BSD, UNIX, gays, lesbians, transvestites....are all into money
[03:09] <lacy> can't amarok play  live stream from shoutcast?
[03:12] <KK|Grass> okay, I'll go eat now
[03:16] <adexta> so, i'm running debian right now
[03:16] <adexta> and i like parts of it
[03:16] <adexta> but it's more difficult to use than my old suse install
[03:18] <crimsun> lacy: what type of stream?
[03:18] <adexta> and i can't stand gnome
[03:18] <adexta> is this the right distro for me?
[03:20] <crimsun> the only way to tell is to use it for a while
[03:20] <crimsun> I certainly cannot tell you if it's "the right one"
[03:21] <adexta> you use it?
[03:22] <crimsun> I use the livecd of it, yes
[03:22] <adexta> but not the regular install?
[03:24] <syntaxis> adexta: the LiveCD setup is supposed to be identical to that of a default out-of-the-box install
[03:24] <adexta> then why don't you install it, so you can customize it?
[03:25] <crimsun> adexta: livecds are more convenient for me, because I use a lot of different machines
[03:27] <lacy> crimsun sorry i was afk  im guessing mp3 but not sure
[03:27] <flames> hi, i have a notebook and fn+f9, fn+f10 (brightness control) don't work, how can i decrease the lcd brightness under kubuntu?
[03:28] <adexta> flames: have you asked in #ubuntu?
[03:28] <flames> no
[03:28] <flames> ok, i try
[03:29] <adexta> there's a lot more peopel in there; it might help more
[03:29] <adexta> and there's a pretty decent degree of overlap between the two
[03:30] <flames> ok, thx
[03:30] <crimsun> lacy: afaik, amarok can if the streams are ogg vorbis
[03:30] <crimsun> lacy: by default, I believe even streaming mp3 support was removed (just as in Ubuntu)
[03:31] <whiskers> KK|Grass, the whole point of Linux and the GPL was not just to get some software and free stuff out there....but to establish conditions so that the freedom base will continue to increase to avoid "The Tragedy of the Commons"
[03:32] <lacy>  ah i understand  well thanks so much  i'll just stick with Kaffeine it seems too work fine  thanks 
[03:32] <Narg> WOW
[03:32] <Narg> remind me never to use oo.o2 again
[03:32] <Narg> not only does it suck, it wont open its own file format so I can get the info off of the file.
[03:33] <Narg> and oo.o1 cant open it...
[03:33] <whiskers> Narg, you dont have to....kde has a beutiful koffice and gnome has gnome office.
[03:33] <Narg> can either open .odt? :p
[03:33] <whiskers> Narg, who gives a shit
[03:33] <Narg> I just want the file :p
[03:33] <Narg> Im so using other one with another format later
[03:34] <Narg> but opening this file would be nice.
[03:34] <TechLord> is there a fix the kdelibs-data update problem
[03:37] <whiskers> Narg, if you use the free formats in koffice or gnome office...then nobody has a problem reading your documents
[03:37] <Narg> *sigh* Thats all well and good, and Im going to follow it later. But I'd like to read this file one time to get the info :p
[03:38] <whiskers> Narg, well hell...then use a hex editor and chop out what you want
[03:39] <whiskers> Narg, but that is your problem...no one elses.
[03:39] <Narg> Dude, I was just asking if any other program can open it, and ranting about how oo.o2 sucks.
[03:39] <Narg> Not trying to draw anyone into this.
[03:48] <delltony> hey follow kubuntu's
[03:48] <lacy> hi
[03:49] <delltony> lacy sounds like a lady i use to date but my take is your probably a dude so ill back up :D
[03:49] <lacy> correct
[03:50] <lacy> lol
[03:55] <lacy>  debian doesn't   run  rpms  right?
[03:56] <delltony> alien <rpm>
[03:56] <delltony> convert it to a deb
[03:57] <delltony> then dpkg -i <debfilehere>
[03:58] <whiskers> hey i am trying to see if GNUMonteCarlito works in gnumeric....how do you use it
[04:03] <whiskers> hey does anybody around here know how to use GNUMonteCarlito
[04:06] <whiskers> i hate when people tell you to select the N+1 cells...you don't know what N is
[04:06] <R0bNyc|Kn0pp1x> lacy, hey
[04:21] <whiskers> oh...the heck with MonteCarlito...i can't figure that stuff out...just like gimpshop
[04:22] <brazmetal> Can someone help me with this problem? My Openoffice takes forever to startup... 
[04:23] <whiskers> brazmetal, hey i already told you...nobody uses openoffice...that is Sun's product for Sun's customers.....it starts them cheap and then lures them into buying the expensive Star Office with extra features.
[04:23] <brazmetal> me? not ehehehe
[04:24] <brazmetal> whiskers, eheheb but I've used Open office in other distros, and I has never been so slow....
[04:25] <whiskers> brazmetal, well I don't care..that is Sun's stuff....and for a commercial bait and switch reason....but you might learn about prelink
[04:26] <brazmetal> whiskers, i've had alread dona prelink and ooprlink.. ehhehee
[04:26] <brazmetal> whiskers, what's the alternative to OO ?
[04:27] <Narg> Dont bother with whiskers, I think hes on a jihad ;p
[04:27] <brazmetal> ahuheuhauheuahuheauea
[04:27] <brazmetal> he's just a geek :P
[04:30] <brazmetal> whiskers, what's the alternative to OO ?
[04:31] <whiskers> brazmetal, there are lots of alternatives to OO...try Lyx
[04:32] <whiskers> brazmetal, or just tetex
[04:33] <whiskers> brazmetal, the problem is they are making all this complicate Monte Carlo....i mean GNU Monte Carlito stuff for gnumeric but nobody knows how to use it
[04:34] <brazmetal> whiskers, which do you use?
[04:35] <whiskers> brazmetal, well i prefer to use sqllite or mysql...since both are GNU...but uh...kexi is not ready and glom doesn't work with either one
[04:35] <whiskers> brazmetal, so...there is no database solution yet
[04:35] <brazmetal> man?
[04:36] <brazmetal> I'm talking about a office suite
[04:36] <whiskers> brazmetal, well i don't give a shit...those are your problems...everybody else uses gnomeoffice or koffice
[04:37] <whiskers> brazmetal, i think gnome-office is in synaptic
[04:49] <brenton> anyone with a laptop and nvidia had luck with dual monitors ?
[04:54] <gbhat> hi ppl
[04:54] <gbhat> latest KDE updates broked my KDE session. Anyone else had this happen in hoary?
[04:55] <gbhat> seems like kdelibs-data_3.4.0-0ubuntu3.1_all.deb is the problem
[04:56] <gbhat>  I get an error that says E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[05:03] <whiskers> for those of you using kubuntu...whereas kexi will probably be the best...there is a rekall that may get you started since someone asked
[05:04] <whiskers> but there really is no great database solution yet....although kexi is promising and rekall appears to be working for limited stuff
[05:04] <delltony> whiskers i wish someone would make kmix where you can choose which slider it controls instead of only allowing you to control master on the icon thing in the system tray
[05:05] <delltony> i know you can maximize it and change the ones that way but the one that shows your volume is mapped to master which on my laptop doesn't do jack
[05:06] <whiskers> delltony, yea..well some of that sound stuff is really based on cheap hardware...and there will be some problems
[05:07] <whiskers> delltony, but amixer has been very useful for me
[05:07] <brenton> anyone with a laptop and nvidia had luck with dual monitors ?
[05:07] <whiskers> delltony, but still there is no software mixing that i know of....no way to easily play midi and esd simultaneously
[05:12] <delltony> from what i have been told the linux kernel doesn't support simultaneous sound but not sure how accurate that is
[05:13] <crimsun> it's accurate
[05:13] <delltony> thanks
[05:13] <crimsun> it's impossible to support hardware mixing if the underlying hardware doesn't support it
[05:13] <crimsun> at best software mixing can be used
[05:13] <crimsun> and that's what alsa provides
[05:13] <crimsun> (dmix- dsnoop -> asym)
[05:13] <delltony> ok thanks
[05:15] <whiskers> delltony, now the funny thing is that on Dos with a Sound Blaster a long time ago...it had a separate fm synthesizer and possible dedicated port...so the DOS games could have music and voice at the same time
[05:18] <whiskers> delltony, that way you could have a talkie type game but with bacground music
[05:18] <whiskers> delltony, but i just don't know the answer with today's cheap sound hardware
[05:19] <whiskers> delltony, i have been able to do both...but one at a time...so far
[05:20] <whiskers> delltony, it is a real problem
[05:21] <membreya> whiskers: so use dmix and software midi
[05:22] <whiskers> membreya, well i use software midi...but i have to kill esd
[05:22] <membreya> esd doesn't run on my PC :D
[05:22] <whiskers> membreya, how do you try to use dmix to keep esd going while also using say a realtime jack server for software idi
[05:23] <membreya> http://members.optusnet.com.au/~membreya/.asoundrc <-- copy and paste that to a .asoundrc file in your home dir :P
[05:25] <whiskers> membreya, ok...that will let you use a jack server with qjackctrl,fluidsynth, and rosegarden...while keeping esd running
[05:25] <KK|Grass> yay
[05:25] <membreya> no idea, but with the wonderful world of linux..you gotta try everything :)
[05:25] <membreya> I tend not to use my soundcard all that much
[05:25] <crimsun> eww.
[05:25] <crimsun> you do _not_ want to use dmix with rt
[05:25] <whiskers> membreya, yes that is right....experiments are what linux is all about
[05:26] <kakalto> yay
[05:26] <membreya> why not crimsun ?
[05:26] <kakalto> you've gone back more on-topic
[05:26] <crimsun> membreya: dmix adds additional references resulting in higher latency
[05:27] <crimsun> if you're doing any sort of audio recording, latency is the devil
[05:27] <whiskers> crimsun, well screw it...i think they need to get freedos32 running for some serious games
[05:28] <whiskers> crimsun, it doesn't have all this multitasking shit
[05:28] <membreya> crimsun: latency you may get....but rarely and that's always adjustable..at least dmix allows multiple processes to access the soundcard
[05:31] <crimsun> membreya: latency you _do_ get. :) And it's not adjustable by software parameters.
[05:32] <membreya> crimsun: control centre, you control the delay..AFAIK
[05:32] <membreya> crimsun: besides, the longest sound delay I've had is < 1s
[05:32] <membreya> except for mythtv
[05:32] <membreya> but that program gave me nothing but trouble
[05:32] <membreya> I use tvtime perfectly
[05:34] <crimsun> membreya: err, are you talking about arts?
[05:35] <crimsun> membreya: because I'm speaking about alsa-lib's dmix directly
[05:46] <whiskers> crimsun, ok let me backup the original .rc file and try this new one...where do i put it
[05:48] <whiskers> crimsun, i don't have a .asoundrc in my home directory to paste the mods too...where does ubuntu put it
[05:49] <whiskers> crimsun, how can we experiment if we don't know where to diff the file
[05:50] <whiskers> crimsun, or patch
[05:50] <crimsun> whiskers: ubuntu doesn't ship with /etc/asound.conf
[05:50] <crimsun> whiskers: nor does it create a default ~/.asoundrc
[05:53] <whiskers> crimsun, well what do we do with the patch file....where do we find something to patch and where do we put it
[05:53] <crimsun> whiskers: I have no idea what you're trying to do
[05:54] <whiskers> crimsun, i am trying to get esd and realtime jackserver working at same time on this cheap intel shit sound design
[05:55] <crimsun> are you using the realtime lsm patch?
[05:56] <whiskers> crimsun, i have that stuff...but i don't have alsa capable of using the dmix patch membreya gave me....where do i find the original .asoundrc to apply this patch to...and where do i put the patched stuff
[05:56] <kakalto> under kde, there's a "run program" program, does anyone know what this is called?
[05:57] <whiskers> crimsun, where did ubuntu put the original .asoundrc
[05:57] <crimsun> whiskers: you're trying to "patch" an .asoundrc ?
[05:57] <whiskers> crimsun, yes
[05:57] <crimsun> whiskers: ubuntu doesn't ship .asoundrc
[05:57] <whiskers> crimsun, well why not
[05:57] <kakalto> anyone?
[05:57] <crimsun> whiskers: ...because that's a user-defined file
[05:58] <crimsun> kakalto: not sure what you're asking
[05:58] <kakalto> On the K menu, there's a thing there "Run Program..."
[05:58] <whiskers> crimsun, ok ....well where do you get the original .asoundrc in order to patch it
[05:58] <kakalto> what is the command for that?
[05:58] <crimsun> whiskers: there's no need to patch an .asoundrc. Just put it in ~/
[05:58] <whiskers> crimsun, well i will try...let me reboot
[05:59] <crimsun> kakalto: as in the keyboard shortcut?
[05:59] <kakalto> like, the command to open that box
[05:59] <kakalto> so, I can add to my xfce menu "run program...", and I click it, and it comes up
[05:59] <crimsun> erm, Xfce provides that already...
[06:00] <kakalto> crimsun, even if I use a custom menu?
[06:00] <crimsun> kakalto: are you using Xfce or KDE?
[06:00] <kakalto> Xfce
[06:00] <crimsun> kakalto: and did you enable the desktop menu?
[06:00] <kakalto> but I'm creating a custom X menu
[06:01] <kakalto> desktop menu?
[06:01] <kakalto> yeah
[06:01] <crimsun> when you right-click, the top option should be for Run command
[06:01] <kakalto> ya..
[06:01] <crimsun> or secondary-click, rather
[06:01] <kakalto> but when I make a custom menu, that doesn't automatically show, does it?
[06:01] <crimsun> yes, it does
[06:02] <crimsun> use Xfce's built-in menu editor
[06:02] <kakalto> I am
[06:02] <kakalto> and it's not showing
[06:02] <crimsun> add it back?
[06:02] <kakalto> how?
[06:02] <crimsun> I don't have vino running on my Xfce install, else I'd tell you
[06:02] <kakalto> the default menu doesn't show it
[06:03] <crimsun> err...
[06:03] <crimsun> are you using Warty, Hoary, or Breezy?
[06:03] <kakalto> what I'm trying to say is, the default menu shows it when I click on it, but not in teh menu editor
[06:03] <kakalto> hoary.
[06:04] <kakalto> oh, nm
[06:04] <kakalto> I didn't see it there :P
[06:04] <kakalto> dw, I'm a bit dopey today
[06:04] <crimsun> heh
[06:04] <kakalto> sorry :)
[06:04] <crimsun> I didn't think I had screwed up my Xfce uploads ;)
[06:04] <kakalto> hehe
[06:05] <kakalto> so you're the xfce person?
[06:05] <crimsun> one of them, yes
[06:06] <kakalto> any news on xubuntu?
[06:07] <crimsun> no concrete news, no
[06:07] <kakalto> ohk
[06:09] <kakalto> well, when it does happen, could ya fix the X menu? It seems to get very messy after a while
[06:09] <kakalto> what is xfce's default media player? is there one?
[06:10] <whiskers> crimsun, no..the damn stuff still doesn't work...if esd is running i get playback device hw:0 is already in use and cannot connect jack
[06:13] <crimsun> kakalto: there's an external one called xfmedia
[06:13] <crimsun> kakalto: are you referring to the duplicated items in the menu? file a bug in malone.
[06:13] <crimsun> kakalto: sorry, this is all a bit off-topic for Kubuntu ;)
[06:14] <crimsun> whiskers: so you're attempting to combine dmixed "default" and esd?
[06:15] <whiskers> crimsun, well for me to play midi on this cheap hardware...i have to kill esd...then startup jack server with qjackctl ...then put a softsynth on top of that..then load with fonts...then get a program like rosegarden to play the midi
[06:15] <whiskers> crimsun, ok...now what i want to do is to keep esd alive at the same time
[06:16] <whiskers> crimsun, membreya says it can be done...but i don't see how
[06:17] <whiskers> crimsun, i can't even get audacity and esd running at same time
[06:17] <crimsun> you'll need libesd-alsa0
[06:18] <crimsun> and assuming you've redefined pcm.!default or pcm.adsp, yes, it's possible
[06:18] <DarthFrog> evan-v-hansen: /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4-0x1.6b7820000005ap-1363.4.0-0ubuntu3.1_all.deb: trying to overwrite `/usr/share/icons/default.kde', which is also in package knetworkconf 
[06:19] <crimsun> you'd want to look at either the dsp_map or the adsp_map parameters for snd-pcm-oss
[06:19] <whiskers> crimsun, i have it already in /usr/share/docs...but apparently it did not install in /usr/bin
[06:19] <whiskers> crimsun, nor do i see it anywhere with locate
[06:20] <whiskers> crimsun, but whatever the case..it does not seem to work
[06:20] <crimsun> whiskers: what's in /usr/share/docs/?
[06:20] <crimsun> whiskers: the example asoundrc?
[06:21] <whiskers> /usr/share/doc/libesd0-dev
[06:21] <whiskers> /usr/share/doc/libesd-alsa0
[06:21] <crimsun> whiskers: right, so modify /etc/esound/esd.conf with the -d parameter
[06:21] <whiskers> crimsun, but i don't see the actual .so file anywhere with locate
[06:22] <membreya> whiskers: http://amarok.kde.org/wiki/index.php/Setting_up_Dmix_for_ALSA
[06:22] <crimsun> whiskers: /usr/lib/libesd.so*
[06:23] <whiskers> crimsun, yes i have those..but no esd-also0.so
[06:23] <crimsun> whiskers: you shouldn't have esd-alsa0.so
[06:23] <whiskers> crimsun, ok i put -d in default options of esd.conf...is that correct
[06:24] <crimsun> whiskers: man esd
[06:24] <whiskers> crimsun, ok
[06:24] <crimsun> see what I said above regarding mapping dsp and adsp
[06:24] <whiskers> crimsun, well he said to experiment so that is what i am doing
[06:25] <crimsun> that's fine. I believe I corrected http://amarok.kde.org/wiki/index.php/Setting_up_Dmix_for_ALSA a couple months ago.
[06:25] <crimsun> ah, last month
[06:27] <whiskers> crimsun, i still think the problem is cheap intel hardware plus a multitasking OS.
[06:31] <_ReDRuM_> using cifs to transfer data over a 100mbit network casues my system to hang - every time
[06:31] <_ReDRuM_> anyone else had that problem?
[06:54] <whiskers> crimsun, there seems to be a way to force esd to use an alternative device so i can dedicate my pcm device to midi
[06:55] <whiskers> crimsun, now...dmix sets up a virtual device does it not
[06:56] <whiskers> crimsun, it looks like dmix sets up some kind of slave device...like hdw:0,0
[06:56] <whiskers> or something
[06:58] <crimsun> no
[06:58] <whiskers> crimsun, well these docs are confusing.
[06:58] <crimsun> if you're referring to .asoundrc, that's the device for it to use
[06:58] <crimsun> not the device it configures
[06:58] <crimsun> you should not attempt to use the "device" it configures
[06:59] <whiskers> crimsun, ok..don't set esd for /dev/dsp...is that correct?
[06:59] <crimsun> whiskers: if you do, you'll need to redefine pcm.dsp
[06:59] <crimsun> better to use /dev/adsp and redefine pcm.adsp
[07:01] <whiskers> crimsun, ok i will try setting esd to /dev/adsp...but where is pcm.adsp defined
[07:02] <crimsun> you would redefine it in .asoundrc, same as the others
[07:02] <whiskers> crimsun, i have /dev/adsp now...and /dev/dsp
[07:03] <whiskers> crimsun, and they have distinct minor numbers
[07:03] <whiskers> crimsun, so they should be accessible by the kernel
[07:03] <crimsun> well yes, the kernel _creates_ them
[07:05] <crimsun> bbl
[07:21] <kakalto> what's xfce's terminal called?
[07:29] <whiskers> ok crimson..i had to monkey with the code a little...but i have tuxracer playing on esd with the virtual device and audacity using the regular pcm device.
[07:29] <whiskers> crimsun, for testing purposes
[07:30] <whiskers> crimsun, it does seem esd is out of the way...but still useful for tuxracer
[07:35] <kakalto> anyone?
[07:36] <kakalto> whiskers, >> [17:05]  <crimsun> bbl
[07:36] <kakalto> that was 1/2 hour ago
[07:37] <whiskers> crimsun, ok...there does seem to be some issues here....i can play tuxracer on esd on the virtual dmix device and record/play stuff on audacity on the regular device...but there seems to be some kind of reverb effect on the recording
[07:38] <whiskers> kakalto, hey..fella...lots of problems today
[07:38] <kakalto> it's 'cause I'm messing around today :P
[07:38] <kakalto> dw about that question
[07:38] <whiskers> kakalto, this sound stuff is driving me bananas
[07:38] <kakalto> :(
[07:41] <glass-eye> any idea when the fix for the broken kde packages is going to be out?
[07:41] <whiskers> kakalto, that damn intel wants us to build bricks without  straws
[07:41] <whiskers> glass-eye, well what do you think about intel's decision to drop the regular sound board designs and try to  do everything with just one port
[07:42] <glass-eye> whiskers: i don't care much :)
[07:43] <kakalto> whiskers, intel is silly :)
[07:43] <kakalto> whiskers, go AMD :)
[07:43] <glass-eye> heh
[07:43] <kakalto> or if it's motherboard you're talking about, ASUS are great :)
[07:43] <whiskers> kakalto, it is not the processor issue..it is the sound chip design
[07:43] <glass-eye> that was a lot less that i thought it would be
[07:43] <kakalto> onboard?
[07:43] <glass-eye> well, Intel makes crappy soundcards
[07:44] <whiskers> glass-eye, they damn sure do..they want us to build bricks without strawas
[07:44] <glass-eye> whiskers: buy lots of our cell processors though
[07:44] <glass-eye> and our desktop processors of course
[07:45] <membreya> damn LIRC is a pain to configure :|
[07:47] <whiskers> membreya, i am trying to get the virtual stuff working...but i hear a reverb in audacity recordings when tuxracer is using esd
[07:47] <whiskers> membreya, i think there are still problems with dmix
[07:47] <aljosa> i installed ubuntu then apt-get into kubuntu but kde menus are not complete. is there some script to regenerate menus?
[07:52] <kkathman> howdy all :)
[07:53] <whiskers> glass-eye, i dont know why Intel ever created that damn ac97 codec approach with deficient hardware
[07:54] <whiskers> glass-eye, it just creates a shitload of problems for trying to have talkie games with background midi music
[07:57] <kkathman> evenin whiskers :)
[07:57] <dimmak> anybody have much experience with kubuntu on a 700m... i have followed tutorial sites, but the resolution fix just doesn't work for me
[07:58] <whiskers> kkathman, hey guy...how are you doing today?
[07:58] <kkathman> whiskers doing good, ready to head back to Texas tomorrow...stopping off in Lubbock to see the kids :)
[08:00] <meng> the new kdelibs packages is problematic
[08:01] <kkathman> tired tonight...its only 11:00pm here and Im usually good till midnight :(
[08:01] <meng> it clashed with kdenetowrk
[08:04] <whiskers> kkathman, ok...well be careful...and uh we can test the other stuff when you get time
[08:04] <delltony> ok gotta question
[08:04] <kkathman>  whiskers should be Sunday evening...I get home relatively early, around 5 or so I think...so I'll have the rest of the evening
[08:04] <delltony> if iptables -A INPUT -s iphere -j DROP does the banning of an ip
[08:04] <delltony> how do you remove it?
[08:10] <whiskers> crimsun, this is even worse...now the ogg recorder in gnome can't access resource for writing
[08:10] <kkathman> well gotta get up and catch a flight...see yall later :)
[08:11] <crimsun> whiskers: which ogg recorder?
[08:14] <whiskers> crimsun, the sound recorder in gnome
[08:14] <whiskers> crimsun, i can get audacity to finally come up and record with esd running and tuxplayer using it on another desktop
[08:15] <whiskers> crimsun, but the recording is crap and has some kind of reverb issue with it
[08:15] <whiskers> crimsun, and also the sound recorder no longer works on gnome
[08:15] <\sh> http://spaces.msn.com/ and http://www.ubuntulinux.com/ where are the similarities..
[08:15] <whiskers> crimsun, it seems to record and save the file but it will not play it
[08:16] <whiskers> let me try starting esd on the regular device
[08:18] <whiskers> crimsun, ok..if i start esd on the regular device...sound recorder plays the file it recorded and it sounds ok
[08:18] <whiskers> crimsun, but then i have lost the ability to use dmix
[08:19] <crimsun> are you using plug:dmix?
[08:19] <whiskers> crimsun, no what is that...i just changed the stuff in .asoundrc from !default to /dev/adsp
[08:20] <whiskers> crimsun, and then loaded esd on /dev/adsp
[08:20] <whiskers> crimsun, but there are some problems
[08:20] <Borg^Queen> Hey people. I'm trying to use ku live to edit the fstab on a Fedora system. How do I mount the drive?
[08:23] <Borg^Queen> Anyone
[08:23] <Borg^Queen>  Don't be shy
[08:24] <whiskers> crimsun, where can i find info on plug:dmix...in case i missed something
[08:24] <crimsun> whiskers: what sort of info on plug:dmix?
[08:25] <whiskers> crimsun, i don't know..i don't know what it is...you mentioned it
[08:25] <Borg^Queen> Hello?
[08:25] <crimsun> whiskers: (the question was in reference to how your apps are specifying their sound output devices)
[08:25] <whiskers> crimsun, i am wondering if i did something wrong
[08:25] <crimsun> Borg^Queen: do you know which partition it is?
[08:25] <whiskers> crimsun, oh..ok..you think i need to recompile sound recorder
[08:25] <Borg^Queen> Yes
[08:25] <crimsun> whiskers: no
[08:26] <crimsun> whiskers: the symptoms you describe are normal with dmix and attempting to record from /dev/*dsp
[08:26] <crimsun> Borg^Queen: have you mounted the partition?
[08:26] <Borg^Queen> Nope
[08:26] <whiskers> crimsun, yes it doesn't work very well....Intel expects us to build bricks without straws
[08:26] <Borg^Queen> That's what I want to do. 
[08:27] <crimsun> Borg^Queen: sudo mount /dev/hd$drive$partition /mnt
[08:27] <crimsun> Borg^Queen: substitute $drive and $partition with yours
[08:27] <crimsun> Borg^Queen: for instance, I use /dev/hda6
[08:28] <Borg^Queen> It says I need to specify the filesystem
[08:28] <Borg^Queen> Which is ext3
[08:30] <Borg^Queen> What's the agrument to add it?
[08:30] <crimsun> you shouldn't need to specify -t ext3
[08:30] <crimsun> sudo mount -t ext3 /dev/hda6 /mnt
[08:30] <crimsun> (for example)
[08:31] <Borg^Queen> thanks
[08:32] <crimsun> np
[08:32] <kakalto> is it possible to make a small script that checks if a tv is attached to the video card, and if so, copies a special xorg.conf to replace the current xorg.conf, and start with this configuration?
[08:32] <kakalto> Or is a script like this already available?
[08:33] <crimsun> no need to replace your xorg.conf; just start X on another vt explicitly specifying the other xorg.conf
[08:35] <kakalto> crimsun, so is something like that already available? Or is it easy to creat?
[08:38] <crimsun> kakalto: easy to do manually
[08:39] <Borg^Queen> crimsun: thanks you're a doll
[08:39] <crimsun> Borg^Queen: np
[08:39] <Borg^Queen> This live cd rocks
[08:40] <crimsun> yep, I've been using mine for about a week now
[08:40] <Borg^Queen> I'm using it to repair win machines
[08:40] <Borg^Queen> Ok system up and running.
[08:40] <Borg^Queen> :D
[08:41] <Borg^Queen> Now to watch the Incredibles!
[08:41] <Borg^Queen> GN
[08:42] <whiskers> crimsun, but anyway it was exciting to create a virtual device even if it doesn't work very well
[08:43] <whiskers> crimsun, i don't see a way to tell sound recorder to use plug:dmix anywhere in its options
[08:43] <crimsun> whiskers: well, you wouldn't tell a recording app to record from a dmixed device
[08:43] <crimsun> dmix is only for playback; dsnoop is for recording
[08:43] <crimsun> if you want to combine them, use asym
[08:45] <whiskers> crimsun, ok where is the url for dsnoop and asym info and i will print it and examine it like the others
[08:45] <crimsun> whiskers: alsa.opensrc.org
[08:52] <whiskers> crimsun, those alsa guys are smarter than me...i only made a jack midi...but they made a virtual midi
[08:53] <whiskers> crimsun, their approach is entirely different from mine
[08:53] <whiskers> crimsun, i have to try out some of their stuff also
[08:53] <whiskers> crimsun, but they modprobe different than i do....i modprobe snd_seq
[08:53] <danny666> hi@all
[08:57] <whiskers> crimsun, and they modprobe snd-virmidi
[08:58] <whiskers> crimsun, hey that might be good enough to put background music on the virtual midi device and talkie stuff for games on the regular device
[09:05] <danny666> did somebody else having problems with kde update from yesterday?
[09:18] <whiskers> danny666, they are not bothering me...but i only got a few kdelib updates because i am using gnome
[09:18] <whiskers> danny666, but i use qt a lot and a couple of apps needed kdelibs
[09:33] <danny666> yes the kicker applets for example
[09:34] <danny666> how can i downgrade with apt-get?
[09:37] <amichai> my splash screen flickers like mad, any ideas?
[09:44] <whiskers> wow ubuntus libraries are way out of date
[09:44] <whiskers> i tried to install kexi and about 10 ubuntu hoary libraries are miserably out of date
[09:44] <whiskers> but kexi does come up and works a little but not very functional
[09:46] <whiskers> i was able to create a database and it seems to have functions already to create tables and all that jazz...but the report design and layout and query stuff is still deficient as far as i can tell
[09:46] <Choubaka> out of date? wtf. :|
[09:47] <whiskers> Choubaka, way way out of date for kexi
[09:47] <whiskers> Choubaka, lots and lots of them
[09:47] <Choubaka> What the hell does kexi need then? :|
[09:47] <Choubaka> what is it anyway?
[09:47] <whiskers> Choubaka, kexi is kde's version of glom just like krita is kde's version of gimpshop
[09:48] <Choubaka> ok.
[09:49] <whiskers> Choubaka, well the GNU people are working on the stuff...i guess it just takes time for the dust to settle
[09:50] <Choubaka> Hmm.
[09:50] <Choubaka> On another note, I wish I knew wtf is wrong with my computer.
[09:50] <Choubaka> I'm getting segfaults on specific programs.
[09:50] <whiskers> Choubaka, that happens all the time...do some backtraces on stacks and stuff and try to find the bugs
[09:51] <whiskers> Choubaka, that will help point people in the right direction
[09:51] <Choubaka> I can also 100% reliably crash my entire computer by trying to run those programs too often.
[09:51] <whiskers> Choubaka, hey so what ...i crash win98 all the time
[09:52] <Choubaka> This isn't win98
[09:52] <whiskers> Choubaka, well do some backtraces and find the problems and help fix them
[09:52] <Choubaka> I believe the problem is in my hardware, though.
[09:53] <whiskers> Choubaka, even if you could just point out the specific lines of the errors in their source code that would help
[09:53] <Choubaka> hmm
[09:53] <Choubaka> they're not segfaulting anymore.
[09:53] <Choubaka> wtf.
[09:54] <Choubaka> they segfaulted yesterday
[09:54] <whiskers> Choubaka, your problems are nothing new.....i have been having core dumps all over the place on linux for 11 years
[09:54] <membreya> maybe your computer is overheating Choubaka :P
[09:54] <whiskers> Choubaka, although i don't see the core dump files anymore like i used to
[09:54] <Choubaka> that might be it.
[09:54] <Choubaka> know what.
[09:55] <Choubaka> I fixed the problem by not using proprietary drivers.
[09:55] <Choubaka> it seems.
[09:55] <membreya> drivers for what?
[09:55] <Choubaka> nvidia
[09:55] <membreya> what vid card?
[09:55] <Choubaka> though the machine did crash a couple times with nv too
[09:55] <Choubaka> GF4MX
[09:55] <membreya> Choubaka: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7183
[09:55] <membreya> get in line dude
[09:56] <Choubaka> gdm had never crashed. :|
[09:56] <membreya> never locked?
[09:57] <Choubaka> not gdm.
[09:57] <membreya> so what is the crash you're referring to ?
[09:57] <Choubaka> just random crashes.
[09:57] <Choubaka> while using the nvidia driver, I was able to kill the computer by running certain programs..
[09:58] <Choubaka> but gdm never crashed.
[09:58] <membreya> "killing" as in how?
[09:58] <Choubaka> complete lock-up
[09:58] <membreya> could you move the mouse?
[09:58] <Choubaka> no
[09:58] <membreya> hmmm
[09:59] <whiskers> Choubaka, well just be glad you don't have to rm all those core dumps all over the place like we used to have to do
[10:00] <membreya> i just want 3d acceleration to work, without having to go and buy a new fancy nvidia card
[10:01] <whiskers> membreya, well i had some 3d stuff working but slow...without the nvidia drivers
[10:01] <whiskers> membreya, i was using some of that directfb stuff
[10:01] <membreya> meaning 3d acceleration technically wasn't working :P
[10:01] <membreya> you could have 3d..just not accelerated :P
[10:02] <whiskers> membreya, well it is not crashing on my cheap nvidia card
[10:02] <whiskers> membreya, but...i turned a lot of stuff off that was causing problems
[10:02] <membreya> whiskers crashes on mine when I use renderaccel
[10:02] <whiskers> membreya, that is right...i already turned that off
[10:02] <membreya> only got a geforce 4000
[10:02] <membreya> amd64 3200 makes up for the lack of GPU power though
[10:02] <whiskers> membreya, it is not crashing on mine since i turned a lot of crap off
[10:03] <membreya> whiskers: renderaccel is where a lot of crashes come from
[10:03] <whiskers> membreya, yes...i got them here too
[10:03] <whiskers> membreya, so i turned that crap off
[10:04] <membreya> whiskers: without renderaccel you don't get acceleration :P
[10:04] <whiskers> membreya, hey my card is still very fast
[10:04] <whiskers> membreya, it plays tux racer great
[10:04] <membreya> grrrrrrrrrr :P
[10:04] <whiskers> membreya, and it is just a cheap 5200
[10:06] <membreya> but then again my /proc/driver/nvidia/agp/status says AGP disabled
[10:06] <whiskers> membreya, but i also had to turn renderaccel off...but it did not make much difference
[10:06] <whiskers> ok let me see what mine says
[10:07] <whiskers> ok i have agpgart enabled but fastwrites disabled
[10:07] <membreya> see, mine just says disabled :|
[10:08] <whiskers> membreya, but i am only using 4x right now
[10:08] <Choubaka> membreya: you don't need renderaccel for 3d acceleration
[10:08] <whiskers> membreya, it is fast without it
[10:09] <whiskers> membreya, and it doesn't crash ...at least  so far...so not nearly as much
[10:09] <Choubaka> hm
[10:09] <Choubaka> import still seems to crash! :|
[10:10] <whiskers> membreya, but 3d works without any nvidia drivers....i had it working with directfb stuff....but not too fast
[10:10] <Choubaka> "import: hashmap.c:581: GetNextElementInLinkedList: Assertion `list_info->signature == 0xabacadabUL' failed. Aborted"
[10:11] <Choubaka> now it segfaulted
[10:11] <whiskers> Choubaka, well welcome to win98
[10:12] <jubei> Is evdev input enabled by default in kubuntu?
[10:12] <whiskers> Choubaka, hey those guy don't call that transexual Bill Gates...Sir Crashelot...for nothing
[10:13] <Choubaka> whiskers: duh
[10:13] <Choubaka> This still is not win98
[10:15] <Choubaka> Though now I had a similar crash as in bugzilla
[10:15] <Choubaka> But I am not using nvidia glx :| 
[10:17] <whiskers> Choubaka, hey how can you tell it is not win98...i have the same apps running on win98 that i do here
[10:18] <Choubaka> :P
[10:18] <Choubaka> jarkko@warui:~$ uname -a
[10:18] <Choubaka> Linux warui 2.6.10-5-k7 #1 Tue Apr 5 12:56:05 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
[10:18] <Choubaka> It's not win98 :)
[10:18] <whiskers> Choubaka, i have gaim on win98, gimpshop on win98, clamav on win98, skype on win98, and abi on win98, xchat on win98, and so on
[10:19] <Choubaka> So?
[10:19] <whiskers> Choubaka, and also dd on win98, so how can you tell the difference
[10:19] <Choubaka> Are you just trying to make a bad joke? :)
[10:19] <whiskers> Choubaka, no..i am being honest
[10:20] <Choubaka> :P
[10:20] <Choubaka> well, uname tells me I am running a Linux kernel, so it can not be win98. :)
[10:20] <whiskers> Choubaka, well that is one way i guess to tell the difference
[10:20] <Choubaka> if I was running win98, it'd have told me I'm running win98.
[10:21] <whiskers> Choubaka, well at least win98 doesn't have that clippy crap
[10:21] <Choubaka> besides, there's no xfce4 for win98. nor apt, nor nothing. :)
[10:21] <whiskers> Choubaka, yes there is....you can compile nearly anything for win98
[10:22] <whiskers> Choubaka, they also have x for win98 too...but i don't use it myself
[10:22] <Choubaka> Now you're just trolling.
[10:22] <whiskers> Choubaka, no...i am not...these are facts
[10:22] <Choubaka> how relevant are they? :P
[10:23] <whiskers> Choubaka, well i don't know if they are relevant at all....but they are facts not fiction
[10:23] <Choubaka> irrelevant facts are as good as fiction. 
[10:23] <whiskers> Choubaka, well perhaps.
[10:24] <membreya> whiskers: out of curiosity...what do lsmod |grep agp say?
[10:24] <whiskers> membreya, it says intel agp
[10:24] <membreya> dang, mine has no agp modules loaded
[10:24] <membreya> oh well
[10:24] <whiskers> uh 20636 whatever that is
[10:25] <Choubaka> besides, anyone with half a brain and _some_ rudimentary knowledge of computers would know at least what OS they're running.
[10:25] <whiskers> Choubaka, well i have two computers....i paid for win98 and it is a sunk cost....so i keep fixing it with the latest gnu stuff
[10:25] <Choubaka> membreya: afaik you need agpgart loaded to be able to use nvidia's 3d acceleration.
[10:26] <membreya> dmesg says agpgart loaded..but lsmod says no
[10:26] <Choubaka> whiskers: 'k.
[10:26] <whiskers> Choubaka, but i cannot sell any of it
[10:27] <whiskers> Choubaka, but i don't care
[10:27] <Choubaka> I'd fix it by installing a free OS.
[10:27] <Choubaka> ;)
[10:27] <whiskers> Choubaka, i do have one right here on this computer
[10:27] <Choubaka> I suspected you do.
[10:27] <whiskers> Choubaka, i have been working on this stuff for many years
[10:28] <Choubaka> But you still have win98! :|
[10:28] <whiskers> Choubaka, i also had an extra computer i was working on the hurd and freedos with....but i gave it to Purple Heart
[10:28] <whiskers> Choubaka, well i paid for win98....and i am going to get some value out of it...if i have to compile every single gnu program for it
[10:29] <Choubaka> I mean, no amount of gnu stuff is going to fix win98 
[10:29] <whiskers> Choubaka, hey it is not too bad....i have process monitors, thread, mutex, identifiers....process abort commands and so on
[10:30] <whiskers> Choubaka, also i have system monitors, hardware monitors, and other stuff already working on it
[10:30] <Choubaka> But still you're running the win98 kernel. :D
[10:30] <whiskers> Choubaka, yes...but the kernel is great for many games
[10:31] <Choubaka> Yeah, well. That's true.
[10:31] <whiskers> Choubaka, anyway...it is neither here nor there....it is just an old os that i try to keep working with free software
[10:31] <Choubaka> or not; rather, it's the fact you have directx 
[10:32] <whiskers> Choubaka, well i have opengl and directx9c....so far
[10:32] <whiskers> Choubaka, but i don't use that windows media player stuff....i use snackamp
[10:34] <whiskers> Choubaka, and i do have command line mplayer working great on win98....but no gui yet
[10:35] <whiskers> Choubaka, and dosbox also working..but slow as hell just like on linux
[10:35] <Choubaka> heh :p
[10:35] <Choubaka> Try dosemu
[10:35] <Choubaka> oh, wait, never mind
[10:35] <Choubaka> that's linux-only :/
[10:35] <Choubaka> or at least, no-windows
[10:37] <whiskers> Choubaka, hey does dosemu play the abuse game worth a shit
[10:38] <whiskers> Choubaka, dosbox is pure crap on this intel p4
[10:44] <Choubaka> abuse?
[10:44] <Choubaka> there's a native linux/windows port of abuse afaik.
[10:45] <malte> yep
[10:46] <whiskers> Choubaka, yes i have seen that and it works great...but the problem is there are thousands of GREAT dos games and dosbox needs to get working
[10:46] <whiskers> Choubaka, because they can't make a linux port of each one
[10:47] <Choubaka> You were talking about abuse :|
[10:47] <whiskers> Choubaka, that was an example....it is not the game that matters it is getting it to work in dosbox so the thousands of others will work
[10:48] <Choubaka> dosbox is quite complete afaik.
[10:48] <whiskers> Choubaka, it is not worth a shit on either windows or linux
[10:48] <Choubaka> I know
[10:48] <Choubaka> because it's a full-blown emulator.
[10:48] <Choubaka> of course it requires a huge amount of processing power.
[10:50] <Choubaka> dosemu is better, because it only virtualises a dos environment.
[10:50] <Choubaka> it requires a dos installation (a disk image for example) to work
[10:51] <Choubaka> I've found dosemu often faster than Windows XP's own dos VM :P
[10:57] <whiskers> Choubaka, windows dos is even worse than dosbox
[10:57] <whiskers> Choubaka, it isn't worth a shit...it doesn't even play sound properly
[10:58] <whiskers> Choubaka, i don't know what is wrong with this multitasking shit that it can't even play dos games properly
[10:59] <Choubaka> It's windows.
[10:59] <Choubaka> duh.
[11:06] <kakalto> yay!
[11:06] <kakalto> I finished my xfce menu :D
[11:07] <kakalto> where does konversation keep its logs?
[11:07] <kakalto> nm
[11:14] <whiskers> Choubaka, i just got through telling you that the performance is miserable on win98 and linux....so pay attention
[11:14] <whiskers> Choubaka, you cannot blame it on windows98 when the same shit happens on Linux
[11:14] <whiskers> Choubaka, there is just something very wrong with this multitasking shit.
[11:14] <whiskers> Choubaka, maybe freedos32 will fix it
[11:16] <kakalto> whiskers, you like xfce?
[11:17] <Choubaka> yay!
[11:17] <Choubaka> dosemu plays urw with sounds \o/
[11:17] <kakalto> ^_^
[11:17] <Choubaka> whiskers: dosbox's performance is miserable because it emulates _everything_
[11:18] <Choubaka> processor, VGA, memory devices, sound... whatever.
[11:18] <Choubaka> dosemu works fast because it just virtualises and runs dos in the virtualised environment.
[11:19] <whiskers> Choubaka, well that is what a DOS GAME requires
[11:19] <whiskers> kakalto, i haven't seen xfce for many years...so i can't say
[11:19] <whiskers> kakalto, i don't know what it looks like today
[11:20] <whiskers> kakalto, but does it have its own office program like kde-koffice and gnome-office
[11:20] <kakalto> no
[11:20] <kakalto> xfce is lightweight, dude
[11:20] <whiskers> Choubaka, a DOS game requires 100% dedicated hardware for performance....and this multitasking shit is getting in the way
[11:21] <kakalto> not everything-plus-the-kitchen-sink
[11:21] <whiskers> Choubaka, so maybe freedos32 will fix it
[11:21] <kakalto> which is what kde/gnome is
[11:21] <Choubaka> whiskers: eh.
[11:22] <Choubaka> I'm getting fabulous performance with this DOS game I'm running here under dosemu.
[11:22] <whiskers> Choubaka, well let me go get dosemu and see if abuse plays worth a shit in it
[11:23] <whiskers> Choubaka, no..i can't get dosemu....synaptic says it will remove kexi
[11:23] <Choubaka> wtf.
[11:23] <whiskers> Choubaka, hey what kind of shit is this?
[11:23] <Choubaka> I don't know
[11:24] <Choubaka> kexi is probably misconfigured.
[11:24] <whiskers> Choubaka, well it says something about broken filter.
[11:24] <whiskers> Choubaka, whatever that means....because most of ubuntu hoary's libraries are way out of date
[11:25] <Choubaka> No they are not.
[11:25] <Choubaka> your kexi is just weird.
[11:26] <whiskers> Choubaka, yes they damn sure are....go get the debian kexi if you don't want to compile it yourself...and see for yourself how many damn ubuntu libraries are way out of date
[11:26] <Choubaka> "way" out of date would be woody.
[11:27] <kakalto> what about potatoe?
[11:27] <kakalto> or is it potato..
[11:28] <Choubaka> kakalto: potato
[11:29] <Choubaka> hm
[11:29] <Choubaka> Ubuntu's kdelibs4 is _newer_ than what kexi requires.
[11:30] <kakalto> I can't spell
[11:30] <kakalto> then that should be fine
[11:31] <whiskers> Choubaka, no...kexi requires that...it is all the other stuff that is way out of date.
[11:31] <whiskers> Choubaka, stop speaking out your ass and go get the deb file and see for yourself
[11:31] <Choubaka> same for libart-2.0-2, libfontconfig1, libfreetype6, ...
[11:31] <Choubaka> whiskers: duh.
[11:31] <Choubaka> you don't install .debs compiled for debian on Ubuntu!
[11:32] <Choubaka> you get the source for the deb and build it so it works on Ubuntu.
[11:32] <whiskers> Choubaka, well the ubuntu people told me to use dpkg
[11:32] <whiskers> Choubaka, but the ubuntu libraries are way out of date....all the glib stuff and gnome related stuff
[11:34] <whiskers> Choubaka, go get it and you will see.....it says you need version 2 or 3 of this and this and that and that and you only have version 1.3.7 or shit like this
[11:34] <Choubaka> hmm. so it seems.
[11:34] <Choubaka> lemme try doing it right :P
[11:39] <kakalto> what exactly does kitchensync do?
[11:39] <rejser> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=28038 <-- anyone that can help me? :)
[11:39] <Choubaka> whiskers: anyway, ubuntu is not out of date.
[11:40] <whiskers> Choubaka, you can't build on out of date libraries...idiot...they want have all the function to support the latest programs function calls
[11:40] <whiskers> Choubaka, that is why gentoo has a mechanism for constantly updating the libraries
[11:40] <Choubaka> it's your program that is too new.
[11:40] <whiskers> Choubaka, first you have to get up do date libraries
[11:40] <whiskers> Choubaka, then you try to compile the program
[11:41] <whiskers> Choubaka, but anyway kexi is not ready yet...so i guess i could remove it for now and try dosemu
[11:42] <Choubaka> you also need the dosemu-freedos package.
[11:43] <Choubaka> so you have a DOS to virtualise :)
[11:49] <whiskers> Choubaka, ok i did what you said...dosemu comes up and says drive c...but where is it and how do i get to my dosbox abuse game to test it
[11:50] <Choubaka> switch to d:
[11:50] <Choubaka> that's your home dir.
[11:50] <Choubaka> and did you start xdosemu?
[11:51] <Choubaka> because "dosemu" alone is console only.
[11:51] <whiskers> Choubaka, nope that thing isn't worth a shit....it froze completely when trying to detect the sound system
[11:52] <Choubaka> bah.
[11:52] <Choubaka> I guess You just lack the ability to use it properly.
[11:52] <Choubaka> dosemu requires OSS, btw.
[11:53] <Choubaka> or at least OSS emulation.
[11:53] <Choubaka> so dmix or other things may confuse it.
[11:54] <whiskers> Choubaka, ok...the second time i loaded it...it did not freeze
[11:55] <whiskers> Choubaka, it detected sound ok...and i told it no midi for now
[11:55] <whiskers> Choubaka, just to see if the graphics is going to work
[11:55] <Choubaka> it should at least.
[11:55] <Choubaka> dosemu can run Win 3.1 :P
[11:55] <whiskers> Choubaka, ok..it says unable to open cache...make sure you have write permissions for C:
[11:56] <Choubaka> hmm
[11:56] <Choubaka> I wonder which drive C: was...
[11:56] <whiskers> Choubaka, i don't give a damn about win3.1...i care about the most hardware demanding of dos games
[11:56] <Choubaka> Ok.
[11:56] <whiskers> Choubaka, and this multitasking shit seems to be getting in the way...and using resources that otherwise could have been devoted to the game
[11:57] <whiskers> Choubaka, how do you get write permissions for c:
[11:57] <Choubaka> Let's find out.
[11:57] <whiskers> Choubaka, where does dosemu place c:
[11:57] <whiskers> Choubaka, in the linux file system
[12:00] <Choubaka> hmm
[12:01] <Choubaka> /var/lib/dosemu perhaps
[12:02] <whiskers> Choubaka, that is a strange place...usually /var is for logging and stuff
[12:02] <whiskers> Choubaka, why didn't it use part of my home directory like dosbox
[12:03] <Choubaka> well, the freedos installation goes to /var/
[12:03] <Choubaka> you can copy it over to your ~/ and start dosemu there too
[12:03] <Choubaka> it's in /var because dosemu in no way depends on the freedos installation 
[12:04] <whiskers> Choubaka, ok...that should solve the permissions stuff...let me move the whole thing instead of copy it
[12:05] <Choubaka> you'll probably have to specify the new dir with -install /dir/here/
[12:05] <whiskers> Choubaka, oh shit...now there is some environment variable screwed up....dosemu won't even execute in /home/george/dosemu
[12:06] <Choubaka> try again with the -install parameter
[12:06] <Choubaka> bugger
[12:06] <Choubaka> I accidentally aborted compiling kexi :|
[12:06] <amichai> i had to reinstall kubuntu and now its slower, my menu kind of sticks when i go through it, any ideas?
[12:06] <amichai> also konqueror seems a bit slower
[12:07] <whiskers> Choubaka, no it keeps saying something about freedos doesn't exist...fix global config
[12:07] <whiskers> dosemu is a bunch of shit...it doesn't even install in the users directory
[12:07] <Choubaka> ...
[12:07] <Choubaka> it does.
[12:07] <whiskers> Choubaka, well what global.conf file do i need to fix
[12:07] <Choubaka> just the freedos is in /var
[12:08] <whiskers> Choubaka, no...we are not going to put freedos in the system directories...we put this testing shit in the users directory
[12:08] <Choubaka> why?
[12:08] <whiskers> Choubaka, now freedos is inside /home/george/dosemu...but what config file do i need to change and where is it
[12:08] <amichai> it all slow as if i'm using a lot of cpu
[12:08] <Choubaka> amichai: try enabling dma
[12:09] <amichai> Choubaka: how?
[12:09] <whiskers> Choubaka, it says error in builtin global config file...where the hell is that
[12:10] <Choubaka> hmm
[12:11] <Choubaka> move dosemu back under var
[12:11] <Choubaka> and add "yourusername c_all" to /etc/dosemu/dosemu.users
[12:11] <whiskers> Choubaka, hell no...that thing is totally fucked up....i don't even want that shit near my system directories
[12:12] <Choubaka> It's just a dos installation
[12:12] <Choubaka> read the man pages about how to specify an alternate dos installation
[12:12] <whiskers> Choubaka, fuck this nonsense....we need to get freedos32 working without all this multitasking shit and latency problems and everything else
[12:13] <whiskers> Choubaka, and then just make a dual boot machine
[12:14] <Choubaka> -_-
[12:14] <Choubaka> dosemu works.
[12:14] <Choubaka> learn to use it
[12:14] <Choubaka> and don't just whine.
[12:15] <amichai> Choubaka: can u help me with this dma thin plz?
[12:15] <whiskers> Choubaka, that stuff is not worth shit to me.
[12:15] <whiskers> Choubaka, we need to get freedos32 working for some serious games
[12:16] <whiskers> Choubaka, and make a dual boot machine
[12:16] <whiskers> Choubaka, none of that virtual machine stuff is worth a damn...not one bit of it
[12:16] <Choubaka> whiskers: Stop the whining.
[12:17] <whiskers> Choubaka, i am not whining...i am saying what i think needs to be donw
[12:17] <whiskers> done
[12:17] <Choubaka> Just because you don't know a shit about how to work with dosemu doesn't mean it's useless.
[12:17] <malte> you are clearly whining!
[12:17] <whiskers> there is no substitute for freedos32 for embedded systems and real-time responsiveness
[12:17] <Choubaka> It allows me to play DOS games without dualboot, and at tolerable speeds.
[12:17] <whiskers> Choubaka, fuck your nonsense
[12:18] <malte> hihi :)
[12:18] <Anlar> amichai: dma thing?
[12:18] <Choubaka> learn to use the freaking computer.
[12:18] <whiskers> Choubaka, go peddle your worthless shit to somebody else.....i have better things to do
[12:18] <amichai> Anlar: Choubaka told me to try enabling my dma
[12:19] <Anlar> amichai: /etc/hdparm.conf
[12:19] <Choubaka> amichai: you can do it with hdparm.
[12:19] <Anlar> amichai: and "dma = on" there
[12:19] <Anlar> amichai: that's all you ahve to do..
[12:19] <amichai> Anlar: what does that do?
[12:20] <Anlar> there is more options but they won't benefit you that much and some are even dangerous
[12:20] <Anlar> amichai: enables automatically the dma for all your ide devices at the next boot afaik
[12:20] <Choubaka> a temporary workaround will be just to by doing sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/hda (if hda is your disk)
[12:21] <Choubaka> but you can make it permanent by modifying /etc/hdparm.conf
[12:21] <amichai> Anlar: obviously i have to remove # also right?
[12:21] <Anlar> yes.
[12:21] <Anlar> haven't tried that one, these sata thingies are always at the best settings and that's all about them. :)
[12:21] <amichai> i need to reboot or just restart x
[12:21] <Choubaka> neither
[12:22] <Anlar> you can do sudo /etc/init.d/hdparm restart
[12:22] <Choubaka> make it so that it looks like this:
[12:22] <Choubaka> /dev/hdc {
[12:22] <Choubaka>         dma = on
[12:22] <Choubaka> }
[12:22] <Choubaka> where hda may be hda :p
[12:22] <Choubaka> hdc*
[12:22] <Choubaka> duh
[12:23] <amichai> Choubaka: where do i change the /dev stuff?
[12:23] <Choubaka> hm
[12:24] <Choubaka> wait a second.
[12:24] <skaman> hey guys
[12:24] <skaman> ubuntu has a graphical tool for upgrading the os
[12:24] <Choubaka> did you just uncomment the first occurrence of #dma = on?
[12:24] <skaman> what about kubuntu?
[12:24] <Choubaka> Because I believe that's wrong.
[12:24] <Anlar> skaman: kynaptic
[12:24] <amichai> Choubaka: yes
[12:25] <Choubaka> scroll down the config file where the device definitions are.
[12:25] <amichai> Choubaka: ok
[12:25] <Choubaka> and recomment the dma stanza
[12:26] <amichai> Choubaka: ok
[12:26] <skaman> Anlar yes i know u can do it with kynaptic...but a tool that advises u about upgrades would be usefule
[12:26] <amichai> Choubaka: dma is already on there
[12:26] <Anlar> yes, if you want to be ignorant.
[12:27] <skaman> O_o
[12:28] <Anlar> it's like umm.. in larger environments you don't want the users to be aware of that stuff and it's handled centrally.. the nerds can do the things "manually" and they are always removing/updating/installing stuff anyways. the "ordinary users" umm.. yeah, for them a notification of security updates might be good. I bet such applet does exist, it would be wonder if it did not.
[12:30] <skaman> coz i was thinking
[12:30] <skaman> i can do it with apt-get
[12:30] <skaman> but if i install kubuntu on my mummy's box
[12:30] <Anlar> there is some apt tool for security updates only. that can be automated too
[12:30] <skaman> se shurely won't be able
[12:30] <Anlar> I saw it on the wiki
[12:30] <amichai> ok that was weird
[12:31] <amichai> my kde just went insane, froze one me 
[12:31] <amichai> i had to restart x and now it works fast again
[12:31] <Anlar> skaman: let's start kynaptic and ask it about "apt", might reveal some tools
[12:32] <Anlar> apt-watch at least monitors apt sources for changes.. you could monitor automatically the security sources
[12:33] <Anlar> and update-apt is "a nightly debian package updater"
[12:33] <Anlar> then there is this http://apt-indicator.sourceforge.net/
[12:36] <kakalto> why does kubuntu come with like 2 or 3 package managers?
[12:36] <kakalto> they should cut down, only add 1 of each app that works good
[12:37] <Anlar> because none of them suits all the situations
[12:37] <kakalto> kynaptic isn't developed enough
[12:37] <kakalto> so they added kpackage?
[12:37] <kakalto> but media players..
[12:38] <Anlar> kpackage isn't on my kubuntu system.. 
[12:38] <kakalto> isn't it?
[12:38] <Anlar> it's available yes, but it isn't by default around.
[12:38] <kakalto> it's on mine...
[12:38] <Anlar> you pulled it in. :)
[12:38] <kakalto> maybe I added it 
[12:38] <kakalto> my bad ;)
[12:38] <kakalto> so that's why it has debian repos
[12:38] <kakalto> I was wondering :)
[12:39] <Anlar> hmm. wonder if that apt-indicator really works.. might be nice 
[12:39] <amichai> kakalto: is xfce faster for u or kde? with kde services that is.
[12:40] <kakalto> not sure
[12:40] <kakalto> I think xfce
[12:40] <eckhart> hi
[12:40] <kakalto> eckhart, hi.
[12:40] <amichai> ok
[12:40] <kakalto> does kubuntu come with juk?
[12:40] <eckhart> is there any solution for the broken kdelibs-data?
[12:40] <amichai> kakalto: amarok i think
[12:41] <kakalto> I'm just wondering if juk comes default aswell
[12:41] <eckhart> it has made my kde nearly unusable since yesterday
[12:41] <hussam> anybody here using a tv card on kubuntu?
[12:41] <kakalto> eckhart, what version?
[12:41] <kakalto> warty? hoary? breezy?
[12:42] <kakalto> hussam, I'd like to, but I don't currently have one >.<
[12:42] <eckhart> hoary
[12:42] <eckhart> someone told me yesterday that the problem is known
[12:43] <kakalto> mine's not broken, you should maybe mark it for re-installation?
[12:43] <eckhart> but no solution has made its way into the packages now
[12:43] <hussam> I'm having a problem with my tv card I did a modprobe saa7134 card=11 tuner=2 the video works but I get no sound
[12:43] <hussam> anybody has an idea?
[12:44] <eckhart> kakalto: no, does not help
[12:45] <kakalto> eckhart, that
[12:45] <eckhart> kakalto: apt-get -f install does not help either
[12:45] <kakalto> is strange
[12:45] <KaiL> somebody ever had problems with dpkg while installing? it just sits there and does nothing...
[12:45] <kakalto> is it on the forums?
[12:45] <kakalto> do you currently have gui?
[12:45] <kakalto> gnome or xfce or anything?
[12:45] <eckhart> i do have one
[12:45] <eckhart> i have kde
[12:46] <eckhart> but most of the things in it are useless
[12:46] <kakalto> ohk
[12:46] <eckhart> like e.g. konversation is not able to do any connects etc.
[12:46] <kakalto> does konqueror work?
[12:46] <eckhart> ah, yes, works
[12:49] <eckhart> just found my problem in a german forum
[12:50] <eckhart> i'll try the solution attached to it
[12:50] <kakalto> eckhart, "sudo apt-get install kdelibs=4:3.4.0-0ubuntu3 kdelibs-data=4:3.4.0-0ubuntu3"
[12:50] <kakalto> hehe
[12:51] <eckhart> same solution i found :-)
[12:52] <eckhart> seems to work now
[12:52] <eckhart> at least apt-get has no problems anymore
[12:53] <kakalto> reboot, then see if everyhing works
[12:53] <calim> hello there, hey how come the fglrx have so limited compatibility? I check the wiki on ubuntu, and it sucks, my card is ATI 9600XT and kubuntu doesn't support 3d for it..
[12:54] <calim> i installed fglrx thought and it was working fine, but now it's getting so buggy, no opengl screesaver, crashes on celestia.. :(
[12:54] <eckhart> back
[12:54] <calim> nobody got this kind of problem and who found a solution..?
[12:54] <eckhart> seems to work fine, apart from the fact i've lost some settings
[12:55] <eckhart> konversation also works
[12:55] <eckhart> thanks
[12:55] <kakalto> yeah, settings would be lost
[12:55] <kakalto> but ah well
[12:56] <whiskers> kakalto, well the whole hoary shit is way out of date
[12:57] <whiskers> kakalto, if you get the latest kexi deb you can see just how bad and out of date this system is
[12:57] <kakalto> yeah
[12:57] <kakalto> they haven't caught up with the times yet
[12:57] <kakalto> even though they have kde 3.4
[12:57] <Anlar> "kexi" ?
[12:57] <whiskers> kakalto, no...i guess they will have to make a future version
[12:57] <whiskers> kakalto, and get the stuff up to date
[12:58] <kakalto> you mean hoary, Revision 1
[12:58] <kakalto> or just breezy, "actually up to date" version
[12:58] <whiskers> kakalto, and some of these idiots are trying to compile the latest programs on dinosaur libraries
[12:58] <kakalto> :(
[12:58] <whiskers> kakalto, the libraries don't even have the funtions for the latest programs function calls
[12:58] <kakalto> not cool
[12:58] <whiskers> kakalto, you see how stupid some of these people are
[12:59] <kakalto> ja
[12:59] <Anlar> apart from whining so far everything I need and have wanted and installed has been really uptodate and fine
[12:59] <whiskers> Anlar, bullshit...you don't even have the latest kexi up to date
[12:59] <whiskers> Anlar, or the latest glom
[01:00] <Anlar> I don't use kexi, I don't even want it. The openoffice one is better.
[01:00] <kakalto> kewl
[01:00] <kakalto> whiskers, but...
[01:00] <whiskers> Anlar, and plus these morons want us to install experimental stuff in our system directories instead of our user directories
[01:00] <kakalto> not a great idea
[01:00] <Anlar> experimental stuff?
[01:01] <whiskers> Anlar,yes like dosemu
[01:01] <Anlar> that's why the packet management system can identify into which packages which files belong and remove & fix all the crap if necessary
[01:01] <Anlar> but yeah, emulating dos is crap, I agree. :)
[01:02] <whiskers> Anlar, it is...there is no substitute for a non-multitasking hardware oriented freedos32 system....that is not restricted to 640k
[01:02] <whiskers> Anlar, so serious games that can really tax the hardware can be written
[01:04] <Anlar> dos.. games.. in this millenium? interesting.
[01:07] <kakalto> Anlar, there was _some_ good dos games
[01:13] <kakalto> or is the emphasis meant to be on _was_
[01:13] <Anlar> indeed.
[01:14] <kakalto> I remember... Crystal Caves
[01:14] <kakalto> that was the kewlest! :DD
[01:14] <whiskers> kakalto, you may not know this...but was is not appropriate...nearly every gaming console devotes the entire hardware to the game
[01:14] <whiskers> kakalto, and still they don't have enough hardware power
[01:15] <kakalto> I don't quite get how that relates
[01:15] <whiskers> kakalto, each new console tries to get faster hardware so more intensive and hardware demanding games can be written...and this multitasking shit gets in the way and consumes resources that could otherwise be devoted to the game
[01:15] <kakalto> I was just reminiscing, and saying that there were some good games in dos' time
[01:16] <whiskers> kakalto, you bet your ass...and on less powerful hardware...but that hardware was devoted mostly to the game
[01:16] <whiskers> kakalto, and not to a lot of multitasking shit
[01:16] <Anlar> then go use then console.
[01:17] <kakalto> whiskers, I don't understand how that relates to my sentences
[01:17] <whiskers> Anlar, nope i won't use another console...i bought a nintendo and lived to regret it
[01:17] <kakalto> I haven't tried emulating yet or anything
[01:17] <whiskers> Anlar, i am sick and tired of how when you buy games for your console...then they come out with a better console and you have to buy all new games
[01:18] <whiskers> Anlar, i am just going to make a dual boot system
[01:18] <Anlar> life is life
[01:18] <kakalto> ahhhh
[01:18] <kakalto> I thought Anlar was meaning console == terminal, and was rather clueless
[01:18] <whiskers> kakalto, no Anlar is very bright and he understands the issues
[01:19] <kakalto> my bad
[01:19] <kakalto> thing is, I wasn't starting any deep conversation or something...
[01:19] <kakalto> when I said "was", I was meaning in the past
[01:20] <kakalto> no philosophical talk here, atleast not at the moment :)
[01:20] <Anlar> well, I bought xbox.. to be able to play games.. and got tired of it in 2 months because all the games are so repeatitive and boring..
[01:20] <kakalto> ja...
[01:20] <kakalto> the old games are great
[01:23] <whiskers> kakalto, yes they are...some of the greatest creativity was obtained many years ago
[01:23] <kakalto> yup...
[01:23] <kakalto> soon, consoles are just going to be so good graphics and so crap gameplay, and they'll just go back to classics
[01:24] <kakalto> port dos games to win & xbox2
[01:24] <kakalto> they're already doing this
[01:24] <kakalto> see atari
[01:24] <kakalto> they did a classics series with pong & stuff
[01:24] <kakalto> Hugely popular
[01:27] <syntaxis> thankfully, not all dos games were as simplistic as pong, though... take e.g. Ultima 7 (now ported by http://exult.sourceforge.net) and Star Control 2 (now ported by http://sc2.sourceforge.net)
[01:28] <syntaxis> and all the old LucasArts games (Monkey Island 1 and 2, Sam & Max Hit The Road...)
[01:29] <Anlar> the lucasarts games work nice, the game engine for them has been remade :) all you need is the data files from them
[01:29] <syntaxis> yep, http://scummvm.sourceforge.net
[01:29] <Anlar> I just bought The Dig and played it :)
[01:29] <syntaxis> the same's been done for all the Space Quest series as well
[01:29] <syntaxis> Anlar: that game rocks :-)
[01:30] <Anlar> I'd like to buy the sound track cd but it isn't available..
[01:34] <whiskers> Anlar, i would like to see Dragon Warrior 1,2,3,4 series go to abandoned games
[01:34] <whiskers> Anlar, and maybe Final Fantasy 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9
[01:34] <Anlar> never heard abotu them.
[01:34] <whiskers> Anlar, you never heard of Dragon Warrior
[01:35] <whiskers> Anlar, absolutely intriguing series
[01:35] <kakalto> Dragon Warrior was great
[01:35] <kakalto> Snes, no?
[01:35] <whiskers> kakalto, no NES
[01:35] <kakalto> which?
[01:35] <kakalto> I thought some were on snes
[01:35] <Anlar> "was" isn't enough for me. must still be.
[01:36] <whiskers> kakalto, no...the new Dragon Warrior is a slightly different game but is going to be released on better hardware
[01:36] <whiskers> different name
[01:36] <whiskers> not different game
[01:36] <whiskers> kakalto, i think it will be called Dragon Quest 7 ...or something like this
[01:37] <whiskers> but we need more GREAT games in the abandoned game section
[01:37] <whiskers> if Nintendo would just go broke like the other game programmers ...we could get them in abandoned section
[01:38] <kakalto> of course
[01:38] <kakalto> many of them still are
[01:38] <kakalto> I should look for crystal caves on teh net
[01:38] <whiskers> kakalto, yeah...crystal caves...good one
[01:39] <whiskers> kakalto, and of course the Ultima Series...and the Gabriel Knight series
[01:39] <kakalto> 286 or higher reccomended :D
[01:39] <whiskers> kakalto, and uh..if Lucas would go broke we could get some more nice games in the abandoned section
[01:40] <Anlar> yeah and some uber-crappy pod racing
[01:40] <kakalto> Apogee is still around :D
[01:40] <kakalto> err
[01:40] <whiskers> Anlar, i don't care too much about that star wars games....i was thinking the Monkey Island 1,2,3,4, and maybe 5
[01:40] <kakalto> is this the same apogee
[01:41] <whiskers> Anlar, and Tomb Raider series 1,2,3,4,5,6
[01:41] <kakalto> Do you guys remember Apogee?
[01:42] <whiskers> kakalto, nope..what did they write
[01:42] <whiskers> kakalto, maybe we remember this
[01:42] <Anlar> yes, games with horrible graphics and technological quality. mmm yeah.
[01:42] <kakalto> ohhhh
[01:42] <skaman> hey guys anyone knows if aqua theme has incompatibility with kde 3.4?
[01:42] <kakalto> Apogee got assimilated by 3drealms
[01:42] <kakalto> Commander Keen
[01:42] <kakalto> Crystal Caves
[01:42] <Anlar> skaman: no.
[01:42] <kakalto> Math Rescue
[01:42] <kakalto> Word Rescue
[01:43] <whiskers> kakalto, oh yeah i remember Keen
[01:43] <whiskers> kakalto, nice game
[01:43] <Anlar> skaman: but if you want it in a good way, you install Baghira
[01:43] <Anlar> skaman: and set it up as aqua.
[01:43] <kakalto> whiskers, I think I still have it here somewhere :D
[01:43] <whiskers> kakalto, and Castlevania 1,2,3,4,5
[01:43] <kakalto> yeah!
[01:44] <whiskers> kakalto, well there are thousands of GREAT games in the abandoned game collection
[01:44] <kakalto> heck yeah
[01:44] <kakalto> www.the-underdogs.org is grea
[01:44] <whiskers> kakalto, but we need Lucas and Nintendo to go broke to get more
[01:44] <kakalto> *great
[01:44] <kakalto> I have about 200 games from there alone
[01:45] <hussam> anybody here using firefox? I can't seem to be able to install extensions on firefox
[01:45] <kakalto> hussam, extensions can be a bit of an issue on linux firefox
[01:45] <Anlar> hussam: you need java support afaik and the software installation must be enabled.
[01:46] <kakalto> but try #ubuntu - they are more likely to use firefox, not konq
[01:46] <whiskers> kakalto, and all the nice sierra games like uh...KQ1,2,3,4,5,6 and Robin Hood, and uh Castle of Dr. Brain
[01:46] <kakalto> Sierra! :D
[01:47] <kakalto> what about ... ceaser
[01:47] <Anlar> Day Of The Tentacle!
[01:47] <kakalto> yeah!
[01:47] <whiskers> kakalto, and IndyJones..1,2,3,4
[01:48] <kakalto> IndyJones!
[01:48] <kakalto> those were sweet
[01:49] <hussam> could it be because I'm using the installer from mozill.org and not the ubuntu  .deb ?
[01:49] <whiskers> kakalto, and maybe StarTropics 1 and 2 for some action stuff
[01:50] <kakalto> lionking
[01:50] <kakalto> that was pretty kewl
[01:50] <kakalto> platformer
[01:50] <Anlar> star control 2 is redone :) musics, gfx, pretty much all..
[01:51] <kakalto> >:)
[01:52] <Anlar> the sound track is actually superb and naturally as .oggs
[01:52] <Anlar> especially the Arilou songs
[01:53] <syntaxis> Anlar: plus there's voice acting for every bit of dialogue, wahey! :-) (which the PC version didn't have)
[01:53] <Anlar> voice acting? last time I checked there wasn't.. nice.
[01:53] <hussam> after installing the kdelibs update today, my whole kde settings were reset to default.
[01:55] <Anlar> yes and I downgraded because of the depedency problems it brings, if you are talking about teh same thing
[01:59] <bhna> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8851
[02:01] <Anlar> yes, that one.
[02:01] <Anlar> however uninstalling knetworkconf was impossible for me for some reason..
[02:02] <kakalto> paganitsu!
[02:03] <whiskers> kakalto, but the thing is how to drive all these game companies that hold copyrights to the games out of business so we can legally get all thier games in the abandoned section for free
[02:03] <kakalto> hehe
[02:03] <kakalto> whiskers, create a conspiracy!
[02:04] <whiskers> kakalto, well..i don't think that will do it....we just need to drive them out of business so the games can legally be placed in the abandoned section
[02:05] <kakalto> whiskers, "accidently" burn down all their factories & buildings
[02:05] <kakalto> ALL
[02:05] <whiskers> kakalto, if we could just drive Sierra, and Nintendo, and Sony, and Lucas out of business...and financially bankrupt them...we could get all their games legally free
[02:06] <kakalto> Sony will be impossible
[02:06] <Anlar> not necessarily. if they go banckrupt they may have debt and have to cover them with the rights to their ip.
[02:06] <kakalto> that would require promotion of xbox/ms :(
[02:16] <whiskers> kakalto, no we need to bankrupt MS too...to get all their games legally free.....that is what GNU is all about...to promote more intellectual material into freedom so as to avoid the "Tragedy of the Commons" who can't afford to buy all that stuff
[02:19] <kakalto> whiskers, how are we going to achieve all of this?
[02:19] <mikl> err, I get package-problems when upgrading kdelibs :/
[02:19] <syntaxis> whiskers: abandonware is still not legal
[02:20] <syntaxis> whiskers: when an entity goes into bankruptcy, all of its assets are divvied up in some way between its debtors, and the copyrights will be included in that
[02:20] <whiskers> syntaxis, well many lawyers have said it is...since no one is alive to claim copyrights
[02:20] <syntaxis> whiskers: they do not go into the public domain
[02:21] <syntaxis> whiskers: which lawyers? Please provide references
[02:21] <whiskers> syntaxis, it was a while back but many lawyers comment on slashdot all the time
[02:21] <syntaxis> whiskers: the *new* copyright holders will obviously still be in existence... the transfer of assets will similarly entail a transfer of copyright
[02:21] <syntaxis> whiskers: lol - yeah, right
[02:22] <syntaxis> whiskers: if it was posted in a comment on slashdot, it must be true! :-D
[02:22] <whiskers> syntaxis, nobody will pay them one dime when they are in bankruptcy for any of their material...because they know if they don't then we can all have them for free and unrestricted
[02:23] <syntaxis> whiskers: it doesn't work that way. The copyright assignment will be an automatic legal thing, even if the new owner considers it worthless from a monetary standpoint.
[02:23] <syntaxis> whiskers: release into the public domain requires an express declaration
[02:23] <whiskers> syntaxis, there won't be any new owner...nobody would try to block the total freedom of all their assets for everyone.
[02:23] <syntaxis> whiskers: and the US is the only country I know of that even has the *concept* of public domain
[02:23] <syntaxis> whiskers: uh, sure
[02:24] <syntaxis> whiskers: it isn't that they'll actively try to block it, it's that *freeing* it would require action on their part.
[02:24] <whiskers> syntaxis, only a greedy person would try to buy them and restrict them to paying customers
[02:24] <syntaxis> whiskers: read the above
[02:24] <syntaxis> whiskers: then the whole world is greedy. <shrug>
[02:25] <syntaxis> whiskers: they don't even have to buy them. All of the assets of the company will be tranferred. That includes both their bog roll and their copyrights.
[02:25] <syntaxis> whiskers: *all* the assets of a bankrupt company will be apportioned out in some way. *Everything* will legally become the property of somebody else.
[02:26] <whiskers> syntaxis, they won't transferred...only a greedy person would try to obtain them for capitalistic purposes
[02:27] <whiskers> syntaxis, GNU is designed to fight that GREED
[02:27] <syntaxis> whiskers: out of interest, how old are you?
[02:28] <whiskers> syntaxis, uh well ...not sure....around 50
[02:28] <syntaxis> whiskers: they don't have to try and obtain them, in the same way that they won't try to obtain the legal ownership of the company's toilet seats. It will just come as part and parcel of the package.
[02:28] <whiskers> it is only the greedy capitalist pigs who try to hoard and restrict...for the purpose of making a return on their investment
[02:29] <whiskers> syntaxis, i told you....with no greedy capitalist pigs around...they won't be transferred...nobody would buy them
[02:29] <syntaxis> whiskers: you're either winding me up or seriously deluded... hopefully the former
[02:30] <whiskers> syntaxis, no...I don't think you have the slightest idea what GNU stands for.
[02:30] <syntaxis> whiskers: what does GNU have to do with the transferral of copyright following the bankruptcy of a gaming company?
[02:30] <syntaxis> whiskers: the answer is "nothing"
[02:30] <syntaxis> whiskers: what are you talking about?
[02:31] <padawarno> bonjour
[02:31] <whiskers> syntaxis, GNU is designed to promote freedom of intellectual issues....and expressly forbids restriction
[02:31] <whiskers> syntaxis, because capitalist pigs try to hoard and restrict to only paying customers
[02:32] <syntaxis> whiskers: you've got the wrong end of the stick completely... the FSF is not leading a crusade against capitalism
[02:32] <syntaxis> whiskers: and it isn't only for-profit companies that release closed-source code
[02:33] <syntaxis> whiskers: and if you distribute GPLed software, you are under no obligation to provide the source code to anyone other than those you distribute the binaries to - i.e. your paying customers
[02:34] <whiskers> syntaxis, you are absolutely full of shit and don't understand the deep issues of GNU
[02:34] <syntaxis> whiskers: right back at you :-D
[02:34] <whiskers> syntaxis, GNU forbids restriction
[02:34] <whiskers> syntaxis, where it can.
[02:34] <syntaxis> whiskers: no.
[02:35] <whiskers> syntaxis, because with unrestricted supply ...for any demand...price will be driven to zero
[02:35] <syntaxis> whiskers: it would help if you actually try to provide justification and rationale for what you're saying as opposed to just making it up as you go along
[02:35] <whiskers> syntaxis, you idiot...go read economics 1
[02:35] <syntaxis> whiskers: unrestricted supply is a fantasy state which has never existed and does not exist today
[02:36] <syntaxis> whiskers: and your simplistic model does not take into account the necessity to recoup the initial cost of writing the software in the first place in some form
[02:36] <mikl> Is there someone that could help me fix a problem with apt...?
[02:36] <syntaxis> mikl: you don't need to ask... just state what your problem is :-)
[02:37] <syntaxis> mikl: and people will help if they can
[02:38] <mikl> right - my problem is this: http://deadbeefbabe.org/paste/387
[02:38] <whiskers> syntaxis, again...that is just filthy, greedy capitalist pig talk such as earning a return on investment
[02:38] <whiskers> syntaxis, you don't recoup anything...price will be driven to zero
[02:39] <syntaxis> whiskers: https://agia.fsf.org/order/#software - the FSF itself sells software for significantly more than zero
[02:39] <mikl> apt complains about a package-error when trying to upgrade kdelibs-data
[02:39] <whiskers> syntaxis, well no one prevents them from selling it as long as they also give it away for free
[02:40] <syntaxis> whiskers: that is not a requirement of the license
[02:40] <whiskers> syntaxis, and only the "Tragic Common" would pay
[02:40] <syntaxis> whiskers: for instance, RHEL and Linspire are not available for free downloads
[02:40] <bhna> whiskers: syntaxis: use private message please
[02:40] <syntaxis> bhna: fair enough
[02:40] <buz> the tragedy of the commons only exists if regulation is wrong
[02:40] <syntaxis> mikl: what is the error?
[02:40] <syntaxis> mikl: ah, sorry, checking
[02:40] <whiskers> syntaxis, absolutely it is and always was.....GNU is designed to foster intellectual freedom....and i suggest you go back and read the critical issue of non-restriction
[02:41] <syntaxis> whiskers: again, you refuse to accept the plain fact that several Linux distributions are not available for download except to paying customers. If you want to continue discussing further, take it to private messaging.
[02:41] <bhna> whiskers: this is the kubuntu channel. this not the channel for gnu gpl problems
[02:42] <Anlar> gnu gpl is a problem itself. :P
[02:42] <mikl> Beware the trolls (tm)
[02:42] <syntaxis> mikl: you have to use the --force options to get it to ignore the error
[02:43] <syntaxis> mikl: issue "dpkg --force-help" to see the options
[02:43] <mikl> right...
[02:44] <Anlar> or downgrade, like "sudo apt-get install kdelibs=4:3.4.0-0ubuntu3 kdelibs-data=4:3.4.0-0ubuntu3"
[02:44] <syntaxis> mikl: --force-overwrite is the one you want in this case
[02:44] <Anlar> which is a nice option until they fix the packages.
[02:44] <syntaxis> mikl: so... "dpkg --install --force-overwrite <path_to_the_deb>"
[02:45] <mikl> syntaxis: oh, right :)
[02:45] <mikl> I'll give it a shot
[02:45] <syntaxis> Anlar: you're right... in general, waiting is both the easiest and the safest way, but in this case all it's trying to do is overwrite an icon
[02:46] <whiskers> bhna, GNU gpl is NOT the problem..rampant greedy capitalism is the problem
[02:46] <bhna> whiskers: but the wrong channel anyway
[02:47] <mikl> syntaxis: ok, that fixed stuff, thank you
[02:47] <syntaxis> mikl: no worries
[02:49] <Choubaka> Hmm
[02:49] <Choubaka> whiskers: BTW, I managed to compile and install kexi just fine. :P
[02:53] <Anlar> of course, those applications are really easy to compile and install.
[02:59] <whiskers> Choubaka, no..you just haven't run into missing function calls yet with your dinosaur libraries
[03:00] <Choubaka> whiskers: ...
[03:00] <Choubaka> You have _NO_ clue whatyou are talking about.
[03:00] <whiskers> Choubaka, if i add sin(x) to a library ....and then somewhere in my program i call on sin(x) library routine...if it isn't there in the latest library...the program won't work
[03:00] <whiskers> Choubaka, you are a fucking idiot and a disgrace to humanity
[03:01] <Choubaka> whiskers: if the call isn't in the library, _IT WON'T EVEN COMPILE_
[03:01] <Choubaka> I managed to compile kexi.
[03:01] <Choubaka> which means _IT WILL WORK_
[03:01] <Choubaka> now, I've fed the trolls enough.
[03:01] <Choubaka> Go away.
[03:02] <whiskers> that is irrelevant..they may not have change a function name in the library but they may have changed what it does
[03:02] <whiskers> Choubaka, you are a fucking idiot and a disgrace to humanity
[03:02] <Choubaka> How nice.
[03:03] <Choubaka> Is there anyone with the ability to ban trolls?
[03:03] <Anlar> how could sin(x) work then? give you a nice picture of tux in binary?
[03:03] <Choubaka> indeed. 
[03:03] <Choubaka> but sin(x) obviously was just an example.
[03:04] <Choubaka> they must-ve changed function foo(x) so it does bar(y) instead.
[03:04] <Choubaka> must've
[03:04] <Anlar> I haven't noticed any "dinosaur library" yet..
[03:05] <Choubaka> Anlar: whiskers is just a bad troll.
[03:05] <mikl> Choubaka: and since you're feeding him, what does that make you?
[03:06] <Anlar> I come from running Gentoo for the last year and I was running unstable gentoo with lots of CVS stuff like Kde.. and I don't notice anything "dinosaur" even against that perspective here.
[03:06] <Choubaka> mikl: I'm not going to feed him anymore.
[03:06] <Anlar> so unless someone can point out the dinosaur libraries that are RELEVANT (not some crappy emulator that no one uses), speak up. otherwise stfu about the matter. or I will ignore the person for good.
[03:07] <mikl> well, it all comes down to: "You don't like KDE/Gnome/emacs/whatever, don't use it"
[03:08] <Choubaka> Anlar: He actually claimed Ubuntu is outdated just because a package compiled for debian sid required never libraries than what hoary has. :)
[03:09] <Anlar> like if every distro should support every perversion of every user.. you are always welcome to build and contribute some .debs too instead of whining
[03:09] <Choubaka> Anlar: So, to show him I went and compiled the package for ubuntu using debian's sources. It works, but he refuses to accept it. 
[03:10] <Anlar> I actually moved from Gentoo because of that. they have so little amount of developers that even when you do contribute software packages and stuff they don't have the resources to look at it
[03:10] <Anlar> choubaka: ah well.. :P
[03:10] <Kyaneos> hello
[03:11] <Anlar> what I am missing from all my apt sources is Kmuddy though.. I think I will build a package for it.
[03:12] <Choubaka> Anlar: You can add the sid source repo :) 
[03:12] <Choubaka> or breezy if you will.
[03:13] <Anlar> I'd rather stay with "pretty much stable".. so umm.. well, I'll take a look at it.
[03:14] <Choubaka> the source repo won't mess up things.
[03:15] <buz> i wouldn't use the breezy binaries though
[03:15] <Choubaka> it's just an easy way to get sources for compiling the occasional bleeding-edge version of some package. :)
[03:15] <buz> out of personal pain ;-)
[03:15] <Choubaka> buz: yeah :P
[03:16] <Choubaka> But breezy will be the first distro that I will use that has everything compiled with GCC 4.0
[03:16] <Anlar> and hopefully SELinux toolchain out of the box.
[03:17] <mikl> SELinux would be kinda nice
[03:17] <Anlar> it's the future.
[03:17] <mikl> indeed
[03:17] <Anlar> I just found out yesternight that JFS xattr support is too buggy.. now on XFS for the reason until it gets fixed :I
[03:18] <Anlar> couldn't label symlinks.
[03:18] <mikl> But Canonical should really reconsider their naming policy...
[03:18] <Choubaka> What's wrong with Breezy Badger?
[03:18] <Anlar> let's call the next release "Bob". seriously.
[03:18] <Choubaka> eh
[03:18] <Anlar> you recall "Microsoft Bob" ? 
[03:18] <Choubaka> Ubuntu Bob
[03:18] <reagleBRKLN> my desktop media/plug icons aren't working anymore. They still appear in media:/ but not the desktop? How to fix?
[03:19] <Anlar> just to annoy them. :)
[03:19] <Choubaka> Anlar: AFAIK It sucked
[03:19] <Anlar> Microsoft Bob failed, Ubuntu Bob ruled, willthe history books say
[03:19] <Anlar> yes, it majorly did. :)
[03:19] <reagleBRKLN> ah "show device icons" had been unselected
[03:19] <Choubaka> But seriously, what's wrong with having funky nicknames?
[03:20] <mikl> Well, I imagine having to talk my boss into getting "Breezy Badger" instead of windows
[03:20] <Choubaka> mikl: it's still ubuntu :p
[03:20] <mikl> yeah, but still
[03:21] <Choubaka> only the version is nicknamed breezy
[03:21] <bugi> Will Breezy be the next release?
[03:22] <Choubaka> and consider MS's naming: Windows 95 (not released on 95 afaik), 98 (ditto, but 98), Windows 2000 (hmm?) XP (wtf. is. XP?)
[03:22] <Choubaka> And then
[03:22] <Choubaka> Longhorn
[03:22] <Choubaka> Need I say more?
[03:23] <Choubaka> Ubuntus are just Ubuntus with a version number (what are the version numbers of Windows OSes anyway?) and a nickname.
[03:24] <syntaxis> mikl: sell him on the version number as opposed to the codename
[03:25] <lex> hi guys...there's someone that can help me to installa my all in wonder on kubuntu?
[03:26] <Choubaka> And you can always tell him upgrading to a newer version will be painless and easy :D
[03:27] <lex> come on guys...there's something that watch the tv on ubuntu with a all in wonder ati card?
[03:27] <Choubaka> (it can't really get any easier than issuing two commands on the command line... except if you prefer clicking a button in a GUI-app.)
[03:37] <Liam> hi 
[03:37] <Choubaka> Hi.
[03:38] <Liam> I'm trying to install firefox under kubuntu, but neither apt-get nor the installer from mozilla.org works 
[03:38] <bugi> Liam: cant be, whats wrong?
[03:39] <Liam> the installer complains about gtk and apt-get says no package available 
[03:39] <buz> works for me
[03:39] <bugi> Liam: maybe you didnt enable requied repos?
[03:40] <Liam> it's my first time with kubuntu, and I'm an overall linux newb 
[03:40] <Liam> I didn't change anything on the default system, but dateformat currency and stuff 
[03:40] <bugi> Liam: As far as i know FF is installed as default on Kubuntu
[03:41] <Liam> Konqueror is 
[03:41] <Liam> Firefox is under Ubuntu 
[03:41] <Liam> I didn't like ubuntu, because I couldn't change the dateformat 
[03:41] <Liam> that's why I tried kubuntu, but now I have no firefox... 
[03:42] <bugi> Very strange
[03:42] <Choubaka> well, that can be fixed easily.
[03:42] <Choubaka> install firefox :P
[03:42] <Liam> that's what I am trying... 
[03:42] <bugi> Liam: FF downloaded from www.mozilla.org should work on any distro "as it is"
[03:42] <Choubaka> open kynaptic and browse "firefox" and check the package.
[03:42] <Choubaka> bugi: ehh
[03:42] <Liam> I did download it, untar it and tried starting firefox-install 
[03:42] <bugi> This is version independent FF
[03:42] <syntaxis> Liam: paste the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list somewhere, e.g. #flood
[03:42] <bugi> Choubaka: yes
[03:43] <Liam> gets an error 
[03:43] <bugi> Liam: what error?
[03:43] <Choubaka> It's better just to use a native package!
[03:43] <Liam> liam@Cygnus:~/downloads/firefox-installer$ sudo ./firefox-installer 
[03:43] <Liam> ./firefox-installer-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory 
[03:43] <bugi> Liam:Did you check md5sum of Kubuntu ISO?
[03:43] <Choubaka> do not install using the package from mozilla.org!
[03:43] <bugi> Choubaka: why? 
[03:43] <Liam> no what's that? 
[03:43] <Choubaka> bugi: because there's a debian package available.
[03:43] <Liam> it's not working either way.. 
[03:43] <Choubaka> or ubuntu package.
[03:44] <Liam> url? 
[03:44] <Choubaka> no url
[03:44] <Choubaka> sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[03:44] <Choubaka> :
[03:44] <Choubaka> p
[03:44] <bugi> Choubaka: i know but FF from mozillas site works on every distro, there is nothing wrong with using it
[03:44] <Liam> liam@Cygnus:~/downloads/firefox-installer$ sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox 
[03:44] <Liam> Paketlisten werden gelesen... Fertig 
[03:44] <Liam> Abhngigkeitsbaum wird aufgebaut... Fertig 
[03:44] <Liam> Paket mozilla-firefox ist nicht verfgbar 
[03:44] <Choubaka> hm
[03:44] <Liam> it basically says it can't find it 
[03:44] <Choubaka> weird... maybe firefox isn't in kubuntu's main
[03:45] <syntaxis> Liam: again, show us what's in your /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:46] <bugi> If Liam can't install FF from Mozilla site there have to be another problem, maybe there was md5sum error but he didnt check it
[03:47] <Choubaka> bugi: the problem is unsatisfied dependencies.
[03:47] <Choubaka> bugi: that's why he should use a distro package
[03:48] <Liam> it seems like everything in sources.list ist commented out 
[03:48] <bhna> Liam: du musst deine datei /etc/apt/source.list editieren. firefox befindest sich in universe. also musst du universe hinzufgen
[03:48] <bugi> Choubaka: i think that this installer should work 
[03:48] <Liam> mom 
[03:48] <bugi> But i can be wrong
[03:50] <Choubaka> Some guidelines with installing software: a) If it is available in the official repository, install it from there. b) if it is not, look for a trusted repository containing it. c) if you can't find one, reconsider whether you really want the software or not.
[03:50] <bhna> deb http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe multiverse
[03:50] <syntaxis> Liam: without actually seeing the contents, it's hard to say
[03:50] <syntaxis> Liam: but try uncommenting them
[03:50] <Liam> i tried uncommenting the urls, but I can't save it... 
[03:50] <Choubaka> you must use sudo 
[03:51] <Liam> it opened up in "kate" 
[03:51] <Choubaka> hm
[03:51] <Choubaka> close it
[03:51] <Liam> i'm not used to commandline in linux 
[03:51] <bhna> Liam: ffne die konsole un tippe kdesu kwrite ein. dann gibts du dein passwort ein. dann ffnest du die datei, editierst sie. 
[03:51] <Choubaka> and start from a terminal: EDITOR=kate sudo editor /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:51] <bugi> Choubaka: i know, you have right, but i have never had any problems with mozilla FF installer on any distro and i have to say that i use many different ones
[03:52] <Choubaka> bugi: Good for you.
[03:52] <Choubaka> But it's still recommendable to _only_ use the package management
[03:52] <Choubaka> installing external software is not good for newbies.
[03:53] <Choubaka> it's the main reason why windows is so riddled with spyware. :) 
[03:53] <Liam> firefox is supposed to be standard XP 
[03:53] <Choubaka> Liam: it's in ubuntu :P
[03:53] <Choubaka> it's not a KDE program so it's not included in kubuntu main
[03:53] <bugi> Choubaka: but FF directly from mozilla site isnt external software ;-)
[03:53] <Liam> sucks 
[03:53] <Choubaka> bugi: yes it is.
[03:53] <Liam> ubuntu sucks 
[03:54] <Liam> cause I can't change the date format 
[03:54] <Choubaka> :P
[03:54] <bugi> :-)
[03:54] <bhna> Liam: wich date format?
[03:54] <Choubaka> Liam: I bet you could. You just don't know how.
[03:54] <bugi> Liam: only 1 problem and you say that all os sux ? ;-)
[03:54] <Choubaka> Don't blame ubuntu for nothing, please. :)
[03:55] <Liam> the sudo kate command outputs several pages of errors 
[03:55] <Choubaka> hmm :|
[03:55] <Choubaka> bah
[03:55] <Liam> I asked in #ubuntu, they just got annoyed 
[03:55] <bhna> Liam: hast du meinen text gelesen?
[03:55] <darkaudit> Choubaka: can I blame ubuntu for borking the boot sequence? Took a bit to get my SATA drive to be recognized...
[03:55] <Liam> saying that gnome is trash etc. 
[03:56] <Choubaka> hah :D
[03:56] <buz> darkaudit: what kind of chipset do you have?
[03:56] <Choubaka> darkaudit: sure. Just report the problem to the devs so they can fix it! :)
[03:56] <Choubaka> Liam: :/
[03:56] <Liam> Ja schon, aber ich weiss jetzt nicht was ich als erstes machen soll und ich muss dauernd hin und her switchen.. 
[03:56] <darkaudit> buz: it's an Abit NF7-S v.2 w/ Silicon Image onboard SATA controller...
[03:56] <syntaxis> Liam: have you tried editing your repository information via synaptic?
[03:56] <Liam> I don't know how 
[03:56] <buz> mhh so silicon image finally works?
[03:56] <Choubaka> kynaptic in his case.
[03:56] <darkaudit> Choubaka: I will... :)
[03:57] <bhna> Liam: wolltest du nicht firefox installieren? 
[03:57] <syntaxis> Liam: it's the "Repositories" menu entry under the "Settings" menu
[03:57] <Liam> ja wolte ich 
[03:57] <darkaudit> buz: I just had to add the proper lines in /etc/modules, and slightly rearrange rcS.d
[03:57] <buz> some months back i had all sorts of issues with silicon image
[03:58] <buz> the controller is supposedly badly broken inside
[03:58] <Liam> ack I got stuck in the vi editor, don't know the commands... 
[03:58] <bhna> Liam: dann ffne mal die konsole und tippe kdesu kwrite ein. dann ffne die datei /etc/apt/sources.list und ndere sie so, das universe nicht mehr auskommentiert ist.
[03:58] <syntaxis> Liam: "i" takes you to "insert mode"
[03:58] <darkaudit> Choubaka: I'm using xfce, you? :)
[03:58] <Choubaka> same
[03:58] <syntaxis> Liam: from that point, pressing "escape" will return you to "command mode"
[03:58] <Choubaka> xfce owns the world and all.
[03:59] <Liam> I need to close and open it as sudo... 
[03:59] <syntaxis> Liam: at which point, "!wq" is the command you need to enter to have it save the changes and quit
[03:59] <syntaxis> Liam: then try just "!q"
[03:59] <bhna> Liam: danach lt sich firefox installieren.
[03:59] <Choubaka> vi is somewhat of a tricky editor for the uninitiated.
[04:00] <buz> vi is evil
[04:00] <Choubaka> Liam: Don't be afraid of the command line, btw.
[04:00] <Choubaka> Even newbies can learn to use it.
[04:00] <buz> joe is a straight forward command line editor
[04:00] <Liam> I get better along with ms dos LOL 
[04:00] <Choubaka> and it's _very_ powerful :)
[04:00] <buz> who cares
[04:00] <syntaxis> Liam: lol - failing all else, just do a "Ctrl-Z" and fire it up again using sudo this time
[04:00] <buz> i don't develop on the console you know
[04:01] <Choubaka> buz: but you can do a lot of things faster on the command line
[04:01] <buz> sure
[04:01] <buz> but for editing some config files, joe is just fine
[04:01] <Choubaka> so it's worth learning :)
[04:01] <buz> and doesnt need any learning ;-)
[04:01] <Choubaka> joe is an application :P
[04:02] <Choubaka> I was talking about the command line in general
[04:02] <buz> yeah sure
[04:02] <Liam> I get a head ache... 
[04:02] <buz> without the command line, administrating servers halfway across the globe would be rather painful
[04:02] <Choubaka> yeah :D
[04:02] <buz> (its quite painful already, ping times suck)
[04:02] <darkaudit> Choubaka: I had go go googling for some command line stuff... had a bunch of stuff that wouldn't work because it was all in CAPS, but the source was looking for lower case... had to go learn how to do a mass rename
[04:03] <Choubaka> but the command line is useful for not so tech savvy people as well.
[04:03] <Choubaka> as long as they're not afraid of new things.
[04:03] <Choubaka> I can't use windows anymore because it lacks a proper command line :P
[04:03] <Choubaka> cygwin helps, but h.
[04:04] <Choubaka> hm*
[04:04] <buz> anybody knows if i can use http://msicomputer.co.uk/Products.aspx?product_id=703523&cat_id=77 with linux
[04:04] <buz> i don't care for the vga so much but 'd like to use the rest
[04:04] <darkaudit> s/closes/closest
[04:04] <whiskers> i really get tired of people blaming GNU for their problems....if GNU wants to write Monte Carlito to put Monte Carlo out of business why should they blame GNU
[04:05] <whiskers> those GNU people are just trying to do what is right
[04:06] <Liam> Apt-get update seems to work now... 
[04:06] <buz> this aint #gnu so keep it to yourself
[04:06] <Choubaka> I've never seen people really blame GNU anyway. Bad troll. :)
[04:07] <Liam> but it still doesn't find firefox... 
[04:07] <darkaudit> Liam: almost foe me... backports offline again...
[04:07] <darkaudit> s/foe/for
[04:07] <Choubaka> Liam: did you really enable universe?
[04:08] <buz> we just blame stallman true
[04:08] <Liam> yes 
[04:08] <Choubaka> buz: Hehehe.
[04:08] <bugi> Liam: try to find something like "mozilla-firefox" :-)
[04:08] <Liam> the update read universe packages and sources 
[04:08] <Liam> though combined it only makes 3 MB 
[04:08] <Choubaka> that's fine.
[04:09] <buz> anybody got an ati card with xinerama?
[04:09] <Choubaka> you can search too: apt-cache search firefox
[04:09] <buz> or you couldsimply use synaptic which is muuuch easier than apt-get to find stuff
[04:09] <Choubaka> Maybe in your opinion >:)
[04:10] <buz> for a noob it's easier for sure
[04:10] <Liam> it finds several local versions.. hmm 
[04:10] <buz> and for the rest of us probably as well ;)
[04:10] <Choubaka> Liam: then it should find firefox too :/
[04:10] <buz> at least if you don't know what you're looking for exactly
[04:10] <Choubaka> buz: well, apt-cache helps
[04:10] <whiskers> buz,  i remember when kde did not want to give all their stuff away...and got mad at Trolltech QT because QT forced them to comply with GNU and give all their kde stuff away for free
[04:10] <Liam> it says dummy package 
[04:10] <bhna> Liam: sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[04:11] <Liam> now working 
[04:11] <Liam> it says it's not available 
[04:11] <buz> and you're saying?
[04:11] <whiskers> so you constantly hear people complainig about GNU but GNU is just forcing people to give all their stuff away for free and not recoup any of their investment
[04:12] <Liam> it I understand it right, it says that it doesn't want to install it despite the fact it has found it 
[04:12] <Choubaka> Where are all the ops
[04:12] <whiskers> GNU is just trying to do what is right
[04:13] <buz> whatever
[04:13] <buz> so does bsd
[04:13] <buz> yet they dont go trolling everywhere
[04:14] <bhna> Liam: hast du firefox jetzt installiert?
[04:15] <Liam> es geht nicht... 
[04:15] <Liam> apt-get will es nciht installieren 
[04:15] <bhna> Liam: was geht genau nicht und was hast du gemacht?
[04:15] <Liam> es behauptet das es nicht verfgbar ist 
[04:15] <Choubaka> Hmm
[04:15] <bhna> Liam: mozilla-firefox ist nicht vorhanden?
[04:15] <Choubaka> You might want to take German speech to #ubuntu.de or something. :)
[04:16] <Liam> well the error message is german... 
[04:16] <Liam> and ubuntu-de sent me here... 
[04:16] <bhna> Liam: dann hast du universe nicht aktiviert
[04:16] <Liam> apt-get findet firefox, will es aber nicht installieren 
[04:16] <Liam> nicht verfgbar (zur Installation) 
[04:17] <bugi> Maybe repos are being updated right now?
[04:18] <bhna> Liam:  ist die zeile vorhanden deb http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe multiverse?
[04:18] <Liam> n 
[04:18] <Liam> http://ch.archive.ubuntu.com 
[04:18] <buz> auch gut
[04:18] <buz> die habens auch
[04:19] <Choubaka> hm
[04:20] <bhna> Liam: auch gut hauptsache universe sthet drin
[04:20] <Choubaka> mozilla-firefox is in ubuntu main
[04:20] <Choubaka> I thought it was in kubuntu universe
[04:20] <Choubaka> but that seems to be a link to ubuntu universe
[04:20] <Liam> update loaded in hole:3 hoary/universe pckages 
[04:21] <Choubaka> here running ubuntu: Filename: pool/main/m/mozilla-firefox/mozilla-firefox_1.0.2-0ubuntu5_i386.deb
[04:21] <Liam> why not 1.0.3? 
[04:22] <Choubaka> it's not there yet.
[04:22] <Liam> hmm 
[04:22] <Choubaka> Can you put your sources.list online?
[04:23] <Liam> I try if I can somehow get if off it 
[04:23] <Choubaka> off?
[04:24] <Liam> off the hd where kubuntu is installed 
[04:24] <Choubaka> What are you running now?
[04:24] <Liam> Windows XP 
[04:24] <Choubaka> Why? :P
[04:24] <Liam> because that runs XP 
[04:25] <Choubaka> what runs?
[04:25] <Choubaka> wtf.
[04:25] <Liam> windows runs flawlessly for me... 
[04:25] <Choubaka> Don't tell me XP was a smiley.
[04:25] <Liam> in windows xp no 
[04:25] <Liam> below yes 
[04:25] <Choubaka> duh.
[04:26] <Choubaka> Liam: Why won't kubuntu run?
[04:26] <Choubaka> What's wrong with it?
[04:28] <Liam> it doesn't even install firefox, and as long as I can't configure it right to suit my needs, it's not running 
[04:28] <Choubaka> riight.
[04:29] <Liam> network and internet is super slow too 
[04:29] <Liam> but that's most likely not it's fault 
[04:29] <Choubaka> Liam: just that you don't know how to install applications doesn't mean it's not running.
[04:29] <Liam> depends on definition 
[04:29] <Choubaka> No it doesn't.
[04:30] <Choubaka> If it boots up and runs installed applications, it's running.
[04:30] <Liam> running = working flawlessly 
[04:30] <Liam> and it's not 
[04:30] <Choubaka> Well, duh
[04:30] <Choubaka> You have to make it work flawlessly.
[04:31] <Choubaka> It's not like windows works flawlessly out of the box either. 
[04:31] <Liam> thought it was supposed to do that out of th ebox... 
[04:31] <Choubaka> Liam: No system does that. :/
[04:31] <Choubaka> It's a sad fact.
[04:31] <Choubaka> Ubuntu is just very good at working almost flawlessly out of the box. :)
[04:32] <Choubaka> People have unrealistically high expectations of Linux distributions :(
[04:32] <Liam> kubuntu is lacking that obviously... 
[04:32] <bugi> Choubaka: you are right, people want to have everything and for free
[04:32] <Liam> the only thing ubuntu lacked for me was that I couldn't format the date right 
[04:33] <bugi> Liam: this is firt release of Kubuntu dont forget it ;-)
[04:33] <Liam> other than that I would have needed a music player that supports winamp input plugins 
[04:33] <Liam> right 
[04:33] <Choubaka> I mean, it's okay if windows has security holes and that you need to install virus scanners and spyware seekers and firewalls just to keep it running!
[04:34] <Choubaka> but if a linux distro doesn't come with all the apps and bells and whistles pre-installed, it sucks.
[04:34] <Liam> well I wanna switch 
[04:34] <Liam> but I won't unless linux will work as I need it to 
[04:34] <Choubaka> Yes. And we'll help
[04:34] <Choubaka> But you must boot to kubuntu first so it's easier to help :)
[04:34] <Choubaka> or ubuntu. :P
[04:35] <Choubaka> I bet it's possible to change the date format too
[04:35] <bugi> Liam: and i will swith to Windows if he will work as i need to (for free, no viruses, no spyware, no trojans, no malware etc) :-P
[04:35] <Liam> Internet and network aren't working, I can't get the file of it to publish... 
[04:35] <Liam> I try to make a screenie 
[04:35] <Choubaka> Hm :|
[04:36] <Choubaka> what kind of an internet connection do you have?
[04:36] <Liam> adsl 
[04:36] <Liam> the same as this 
[04:36] <Choubaka> what kind of a modem?
[04:36] <Liam> router 
[04:36] <Choubaka> good
[04:36] <Liam> ubuntu worked flawlessy... 
[04:36] <Liam> maybe kubuntu is just too buggy 
[04:36] <Choubaka> May be.
[04:37] <Choubaka> I prefer ubuntu myself.
[04:37] <Choubaka> but they're basically the same thing with a different set of default packages :P
[04:37] <bugi> Liam: it is really buggy :-)
[04:37] <Liam> I couldn't manage how to change the format of the desktop clock 
[04:37] <Choubaka> Liam: Ok
[04:37] <Choubaka> So if you'll try Ubuntu again, We'll make the clock work for you.
[04:38] <Liam> installien will take some time 
[04:38] <Choubaka> Liam: Well, it's up to you.
[04:39] <Choubaka> The beginning with ubuntu will be a rocky one, though.
[04:39] <Choubaka> but the same goes with kubuntu
[04:39] <Liam> ubuntu seemed to be quite more stable than kubuntu 
[04:40] <Choubaka> just don't give up. You'll miss out on a lot of coolness if you do. :P
[04:40] <Liam> okay I got a screenie of the sources list 
[04:41] <Choubaka> ok
[04:42] <alex_kubuntu> hi everyone !
[04:43] <Choubaka> Liam: There are some restrictions caused by (K)ubuntu's freeness. Here are the one's that bother regular users the most: 1) No mp3 support by default, because mp3 is protected by patents, 2) no java by default, again because of a restrictive licence and 3) no movie codecs by default (licence...)
[04:43] <Choubaka> Liam: So you'll have to do some manual work to make those work. :)
[04:43] <alex_kubuntu> does anyone encountered some error while upgrading kde these days ?
[04:43] <Choubaka> hmm
[04:43] <Choubaka> I just got a security upgrade to kdelibs!
[04:43] <Choubaka> woot :D
[04:44] <bugi> alex_kubuntu: problem with security kdelibs update?
[04:44] <alex_kubuntu> could you please help me : i can't make the upgrade 
[04:44] <Choubaka> First time I actually had to upgrade something after install. 
[04:44] <darkaudit> Choubaka: I ran the haih script... got java and codecs ;)
[04:44] <alex_kubuntu> bugi: exactly !
[04:44] <Choubaka> darkaudit: Give that to Liam then :)
[04:45] <bugi> alex_kubuntu: uninstall knetwork first then upgrade kdelibs and next install knetwork again
[04:45] <alex_kubuntu> it seems there is a problem with another package: knetworkconf
[04:45] <darkaudit> Liam: it's the Hoary After-Install Helper script on ubuntuforums...
[04:45] <bugi> alex_kubuntu: yes, uninstall this package
[04:45] <Liam> http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y175/Liam-Crevan/sources.jpg 
[04:46] <bugi> alex_kubuntu: and after kdelibs update reinsatall knetworkconf
[04:46] <alex_kubuntu> it asks me to uninstall kubuntu-desktop: what should  I do ?
[04:46] <bugi> alex_kubuntu: i suppose it is dummy package
[04:46] <darkaudit> Liam: but it won't work until backports is up and running again...
[04:47] <alex_kubuntu> ok, i go for it
[04:47] <Choubaka> Liam: you have main commented :|
[04:48] <Liam> well I was told to uncomment universe 
[04:48] <Choubaka> You need main uncommented too.
[04:48] <Liam> I just uncomment every url... 
[04:48] <Choubaka> yeah. :)
[04:48] <Choubaka> That should do it :D
[04:49] <Choubaka> Such a simple problem.
[04:49] <Choubaka> Oh well.
[04:49] <Liam> still not solved, it still can't find it 
[04:49] <Liam> it searches all the urls 
[04:50] <Liam> well maybe apt-get update helps... 
[04:50] <Choubaka> Liam: you did do sudo apt-get update? :p
[04:50] <Choubaka> that's _always_ required after editing the sources :)
[04:50] <Liam> in progress 
[04:50] <Choubaka>  also, it's good to do occasionally.
[04:51] <Liam> ah now 
[04:51] <Choubaka> and always before trying to upgrade.
[04:51] <Liam> it was to install additional packages, but it seems to work now 
[04:51] <Choubaka> good :)
[04:51] <Liam> gnome and lib stuff 
[04:52] <Choubaka> you might also want to install mozilla-firefox-gnome-support
[04:52] <Choubaka> I hear that makes the widgets look better.
[04:52] <hussam> anybody knows if there will be 3rd party debs for OpenOffice.org 2.0 ?
[04:52] <Liam> well I'm gonna install ubuntu again, if the date format can be fixed I stay with that 
[04:53] <Liam> and if I can get a player that supports winamp input plugins... 
[04:53] <Choubaka> hmm
[04:53] <Choubaka> what input plugins do you mean? :/
[04:53] <Liam> there's no alternative for some formats I use on linux, that's why I'm hoping at least the winamp plugins can be used 
[04:54] <Liam> smc/psf/gsf/usf 
[04:54] <Choubaka> psf?
[04:54] <Choubaka> playstation sound format?
[04:54] <Liam> yeah 
[04:54] <Choubaka> I don't think you can use the winamp plugins... however.
[04:54] <Choubaka> psf at least has an xmms plugin
[04:55] <Liam> but I need the others too... 
[04:55] <Choubaka> a bit of googling and you probably will find plugins for those other formats.
[04:55] <Liam> maybe wine works 
[04:55] <Liam> nope 
[04:55] <Choubaka> what's smc?
[04:55] <Liam> the others themself have only winamp plugins 
[04:55] <Liam> I know about psf for xmms though 
[04:55] <Liam> super nintendo 
[04:56] <Choubaka> Well, wine is your last resort.
[04:56] <Choubaka> at least earlier versions of Winamp run on it. 
[04:56] <Liam> as long as I don't use directsound it should work flawlessly 
[04:57] <Liam> I don't use advanced skins or any other feature 
[04:57] <Choubaka> hm.
[04:57] <Choubaka> isn't smc a super nintendo rom file?
[04:58] <Choubaka> at least on zophar's domain, all music files are spc 
[04:58] <Liam> hmm... yeah 
[04:58] <Liam> spc yeah 
[04:58] <Liam> that was is 
[04:58] <Liam> it 
[05:00] <Liam> Ubuntu install running, I'm guessing it'll take 15 minutes or so 
[05:00] <Choubaka> I think I found a spc plugin for xmms
[05:00] <Choubaka> several standalone players, too
[05:00] <Liam> I mainly use usf and gsf 
[05:01] <Liam> is wine installed by default? 
[05:01] <Choubaka> no
[05:01] <Choubaka> you can install it easily.
[05:01] <Liam> easier than firefox I hope *g* 
[05:01] <Choubaka> well, it's in universe.
[05:01] <Choubaka> so you'll still have to uncomment the sources
[05:02] <Liam> k 
[05:05] <Choubaka> There's no USF plugin on ZD, but the windows plugin is open source.
[05:06] <Liam> I'll try winamp with wine, if it works fine, there won't be a hazzle 
[05:09] <lik> Hi, hab grad von debian ein dist-upgrade gemacht. Kdm zeigt Login. Nach <Enter> startet kdm neu.
[05:09] <lik> Es gibt ein paar "WW" aber kein einziges "EE" im Log. 
[05:09] <lik> Erfahrungen?
[05:09] <lik> Ach ja, von xfree auf xorg umgebaut.
[05:12] <Choubaka> lik: Please use English on this channel.
[05:13] <lik> Oops, I'm getting confused from switchin langs all the time :-)
[05:14] <Liam> the curse of being multi-lingual 
[05:14] <lik> Well, I did a dist-upgrade from debian to kubuntu. Everything went fine, basically.
[05:15] <Choubaka> Hm
[05:15] <Choubaka> That's not clean
[05:15] <lik> But the switch from xfree to xorg didn't go to well.
[05:15] <Choubaka> Liam: Heh, yeah :P
[05:15] <malte> http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/04/22/122214&from=rss
[05:15] <lik> kdm shows the login screen but after typing the credentials kdm restarts
[05:15] <Choubaka> I sometimes get confused with English and Finnish.
[05:16] <lik> There's no errors in the logs.
[05:16] <Liam> a lot of developers seem to come form finland/sweden 
[05:16] <Choubaka> I'm not yet that good with Japanese though so at least I'm not speaking that on channels :P
[05:17] <Liam> most irc clients don't support unicode... 
[05:17] <lik> Choubaka: As long as you speak xorg it's fine with me if you're able to help
[05:19] <Choubaka> What version of debian were you running?
[05:19] <lik> Choubaka: sarge
[05:19] <Choubaka> Liam: Well, most good ones do.
[05:19] <Choubaka> Liam: but the most common one doesn't
[05:19] <Choubaka> and that is mirc. :p
[05:20] <Choubaka> I had serious trouble with upgrading Sarge to Hoary.
[05:20] <Choubaka> It's not supported, and not recommended.
[05:20] <Liam> it's intriguing 
[05:20] <lik> If I could just start that bloody xserver everything should be fine.
[05:21] <Choubaka> it's probably just misconfigured.
[05:21] <Choubaka> stry dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[05:21] <lik> Choubaka: I'll bet. reconfigure doesn't do the trick
[05:21] <Liam> do it manually 
[05:22] <Choubaka> maybe you have some incompatible kdm configuration files
[05:22] <lik> Liam: Well, I'm having a dual head setup that worked just nicely on xfree.
[05:23] <Liam> oh it's not like I know what I'm talking about 
[05:23] <Choubaka> Ohh, dualhead :|
[05:23] <lik> Choubaka: That could be an idea. But I'm not that deep into kde
[05:24] <Choubaka> I know absolutely nothing of those.
[05:25] <Choubaka> Hmm.
[05:25] <lik> See ya. Kids cryin :-)
[05:25] <Choubaka> I can only suggest you backup important data and install Ubuntu from scratch
[05:26] <lik> Choubaka: Yep. It's probably faster that way :-)
[05:34] <ubuntu> hello!!!
[05:36] <Liam> ubuntu setup takes much longer then expected 
[05:36] <Galuf> can someone tell me how to get kdevelop installed?  I have used it for a while, but it has always been preinstalled with my distro's?
[05:36] <Choubaka> hmm
[05:37] <Choubaka> sudo apt-get install kdevelop
[05:37] <Choubaka> :p
[05:37] <Galuf> that simple?
[05:37] <Choubaka> or if you like guis, launch kynaptic and learn to use it.
[05:37] <Choubaka> yes.
[05:37] <Liam> won't hurt to try 
[05:37] <Choubaka> though it might be in universe.
[05:37] <Galuf> Thanks
[05:38] <Choubaka> which means you'd have to uncomment some sources first.
[05:38] <Choubaka> if you haven't already
[05:39] <Galuf> well I just installed last night and that was the only thing I use that wasn't installed
[05:40] <Choubaka> Galuf: well, can you install it?
[05:40] <Galuf> I'm on my windows box
[05:41] <Galuf> linux is booting up now
[05:42] <Choubaka> ok :)
[05:42] <malte> synaptic is better than kynaptic
[05:42] <Galuf> if it don't work I'll be back later.  Thanks for helping me.
[05:42] <malte> though neither is very good imho :)
[05:42] <Liam> kde seems to have a k-fetish 
[05:43] <Choubaka> synaptic is for gnome, isn't it? :P
[05:43] <malte> heh
[05:43] <Galuf> does ubuntu have aptitude?
[05:43] <Choubaka> Liam: no shit. :D
[05:43] <Choubaka> yes.
[05:43] <Galuf> ok thanks
[05:44] <Boogieman> hello
[05:45] <Boogieman> somehow i removed or overwrite the kubuntu theme from kde. how do i get it back?
[05:46] <Liam> ubuntu just downloaded packages from the internet during setup... I wonder why Kubuntu ist too stupid to even access the internet.. it's exactly the same environment 
[05:56] <Almindor> hello
[05:57] <Almindor> I just installed kubuntu and.. um well a few things don't work, does this distro have some sort of system config manager?
[05:57] <buz> kcontrol
[05:58] <Almindor> something to configure things like modprobe etc.
[06:00] <Almindor> sound doesn't work for example..
[06:00] <Liam> @Choubaka: Ubuntu finished installing, can you help me now with the date format? 
[06:00] <Almindor> (no idea why tho, it's detected right)
[06:02] <__2> Hello, I have a BIG problem, i updated my system with apt-get but the package kdelibs-data failed to install (Im using hoary)
[06:03] <__2> then now my KDE installation is broken 
[06:03] <__2> someone here have encountered the same problem ?
[06:04] <Boogieman> no only that i clicked some buttons and the kubuntu-theme from kde was gone
[06:22] <Liam> hmm 
[06:23] <Almindor> which rc is normal?
[06:23] <Almindor> 5?
[06:24] <Almindor> and what can cause my freq setting in xorg.conf to be ignored?(I can get kde running only by going safe mode and then manualy kdm)
[06:26] <Almindor> is there a way to "step" the start?
[06:31] <Liam> Choubaka? 
[06:34] <bad_mongo> how do I install flash and java in kubuntu?
[06:36] <Choubaka> Liam: yes?
[06:37] <Choubaka> Was away a bit. :P
[06:37] <Liam> can you help with with the date format now?^^ 
[06:37] <Choubaka> Alright.
[06:38] <Choubaka> So, hmm.
[06:38] <Liam> I suppose there is a configuration file that can be edited... but there is no way from guy that allows it 
[06:38] <Liam> gui 
[06:39] <Choubaka> First we must establish: from what to what?
[06:39] <Liam> estanblish what? 
[06:39] <Choubaka> as in, from which format to what format do you want the date?
[06:39] <ampersand> kde kind of broke after I updated kdelib-data, and still didn't work after uninstalling and reinstalling kde. Is there anything else I can do?
[06:40] <Liam> oh 
[06:40] <Liam> right now it's Fre, 22. Apr. 18:37;13 
[06:41] <Liam> I want it YYYY-mm-DD@HH:MM:SS 
[06:41] <Liam> space instead of @ is fine as well 
[06:41] <Choubaka> you mean the clock applet in the corner, right? 
[06:42] <Liam> upper right corner yes 
[06:42] <Liam> but that format globally is fine too 
[06:42] <Choubaka> hmm
[06:43] <Choubaka> seems like it's not straightforward, so we'll have to do some searching.
[06:44] <Liam> k 
[06:46] <Choubaka> tell me, what is your locale?
[06:46] <Liam> de-CH 
[06:47] <Choubaka> ok. hmm.
[06:49] <Choubaka> The help files aren't being cooperative.
[06:49] <Boogieman> how do i get the kubuntu theme for kde back? i removed it somehow
[06:50] <Boogieman> and the preview function when you leave the mouse over a picture or film
[06:51] <Boogieman> the yellow thing that appears there
[06:52] <ampersand> probably reinstall 'kubuntu-default-settings' for the artwork &c
[06:54] <Boogieman> i do it
[06:54] <Boogieman> we wil see what happen
[06:55] <Choubaka> I'm asking around on other channels too.
[06:56] <Liam> thx 
[06:58] <Boogieman> i'm glad that i get kubuntu running. i was using mandrake before it. but now i see mandrake was very overloaded
[06:59] <Choubaka> I hope the date format isn't hardcoded in the clock applet.
[06:59] <Choubaka> Why is it anyway that you so insist on that particular format? 
[06:59] <Liam> I don't think so, as far as I can see it has it's own format for every locale 
[06:59] <Liam> because it the default one gets on my nerves 
[07:00] <Liam> can't work like that 
[07:00] <Choubaka> Hm.
[07:00] <Choubaka> Tough customer.
[07:01] <Liam> if it has one format for every locale... the locales have configuration files for each.. and those should be editable 
[07:01] <Liam> question is, where they are 
[07:01] <Choubaka> yeah.
[07:01] <Choubaka> Damn
[07:02] <Choubaka> I'll have to away for some minutes.
[07:02] <Liam> k 
[07:07] <trukulo> ppl
[07:08] <trukulo>  /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4%3a3.4.0-0ubuntu3.1_all.deb
[07:08] <trukulo> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[07:08] <KaiL> dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4%3a3.4.0-0ubuntu3.1_all.deb
[07:08] <KaiL> ...known problem
[07:08] <trukulo> KaiL: i don't mind at it, just reporting
[07:08] <trukulo> k, that's what i wanna know, if it's know
[07:08] <trukulo> known
[07:09] <trukulo> KaiL: thanks anyway
[07:17] <rrichie> hi all
[07:18] <rrichie> I'm french and when i type on a letter with accent in KDE is displays me characters like 
[07:18] <rrichie> does anyone know how to resolv that ?
[07:19] <shogouki> rrichie: je vois bien une lettre acentue moi :)
[07:19] <rrichie> ah bon ?
[07:19] <shogouki> rrichie: ca arrive dans kde ou seulement sur irc ?
[07:19] <rrichie> dans kde
[07:19] <rrichie> mais je sais a tous les coups
[07:20] <rrichie> le driver de mon keyboard sous xorg ....
[07:21] <rrichie> shogouki : tu pourrais me dire ce que tu as dans ton xorg.conf ds la section du keyboard stp ?
[07:23] <Choubaka> Hmm.
[07:23] <Liam> wb 
[07:23] <Liam> maybe the clock applet could be replaced with something that can be configured right? 
[07:24] <shogouki> rrichie: http://www.pastebin.com/274635
[07:24] <rrichie> thx
[07:25] <rrichie> bon ben on a pareil :(
[07:25] <rrichie> how can i regenerate locales pleasE?
[07:25] <shogouki> rrichie: si moi je vois tes accents c que ca doit venir de ton affichage, tu vois mes accents ? : 
[07:26] <rrichie> oui
[07:26] <shogouki> hum :/
[07:26] <rrichie> nickel mais ce que je vois qd je tape c'est gros caca
[07:27] <shogouki> rrichie: c dpkg-reconfiure locales je crois
[07:27] <shogouki> +g
[07:27] <rrichie> shogouki : quand tu tape locale ca te donne quel jeu de caracteres?
[07:28] <shogouki> http://www.pastebin.com/274638
[07:29] <Choubaka> Liam: I haven't found such an applet. :/
[07:30] <Liam> damnit... 
[07:30] <Liam> maybe I should just isntall kde on top of ubuntu 
[07:30] <Choubaka> perhaps.
[07:30] <Liam> and then use it's clock 
[07:30] <Choubaka> or try xfce4
[07:30] <Choubaka> xfce4 is good.
[07:31] <Choubaka> it's not so windowsy, but I love it. :)
[07:31] <rrichie> merci shogouki mais ca marche pas :(
[07:32] <shogouki> rrichie: je peux pas trop t'aider j'y connais pas gd chose
[07:32] <rrichie> ok no soucy
[07:32] <Liam> can I search in synaptic for xfce4 and then add all results to be installed? 
[07:33] <Choubaka> you just need the xfce4 package.
[07:33] <Choubaka> it installs the dependencies.
[07:33] <bubi> hi
[07:33] <root> hi
[07:33] <Liam> sudo apt-get xfce4 ? 
[07:34] <shogouki> Liam: apt-get install blabla
[07:34] <Choubaka> seems like you can't have that date format with xfce4 either, though. it only shows the time, and then the date when you hover the mouse over it.
[07:34] <bubi> id like to watch tv with kubuntu
[07:34] <Choubaka> Liam: Anyway, feel free to experiment with anything.
[07:34] <bubi> but i cant install kdetv
[07:34] <Liam> well I just try it out, it's a test system anyway... 
[07:34] <bubi> or tvtime
[07:34] <skaman> u have to add the repositories
[07:34] <Choubaka> There's a _huge_ amount of software available to you in universe. :)
[07:35] <skaman> bubi
[07:35] <skaman> u have to add the repositories
[07:35] <bubi> wich ne
[07:35] <bubi> one*
[07:35] <skaman> ##KdeTV
[07:35] <skaman> #deb http://dziegel.free.fr/debian unstable/
[07:35] <Choubaka> maybe you'll find software you like over the others.
[07:35] <skaman> #deb-src http://dziegel.free.fr/debian unstable/
[07:35] <theD3viL> Can any1 help me with my ATI Radeon 9600pro graphip card? :S I have installed drivers but "fglrxinfo" say to me I have installed MESA drivers? :S:S Sry for my english :)
[07:35] <skaman> uncomment 
[07:35] <skaman> obviously
[07:36] <bubi> sakaman i did that allready
[07:36] <Choubaka> theD3viL: hm
[07:36] <skaman> and u cant get it?
[07:36] <crimsun> Liam: it's being internationalised, which should help
[07:36] <Choubaka> I think the mesa drivers are what you need.
[07:36] <theD3viL> no........
[07:36] <theD3viL> a dont have 3d acc
[07:36] <bubi> checking for libXext... no
[07:36] <crimsun> Liam: as soon as they're committed and released, I'll merge them into our breezy packages
[07:36] <bubi> configure: error: We need a working libXext to proceed. Since configure
[07:36] <bubi> can't find it itself, we stop here assuming that make wouldn't find
[07:36] <bubi> them either.
[07:36] <skaman> thetheD3viL do u edited xorg.conf?
[07:36] <theD3viL> yes ...
[07:36] <theD3viL> driver "fglrx"
[07:37] <skaman> did u restarted X theD3viL?
[07:37] <theD3viL> yes
[07:37] <Choubaka> crimsun: what are being internationalised? 
[07:37] <crimsun> Choubaka: Liam seems to have an issue with the clock in Xfce
[07:37] <skaman> bubi  so u installed kdetv
[07:37] <skaman> ?
[07:37] <Choubaka> no, it was with the gnome clock.
[07:37] <crimsun> Choubaka: ah, n/m then
[07:37] <theD3viL> skaman any way to "fix" my drivers? :S
[07:38] <Choubaka> Liam: Anyway, I hope Ubuntu turns out to be good for you.
[07:38] <skaman> i give u a link?
[07:38] <skaman> theD3viL i give h a link
[07:38] <Anlar> u-bun-tu! 
[07:38] <bubi> konqueror
[07:39] <theD3viL> skaman: ha?
[07:39] <Liam> still testing 
[07:39] <theD3viL> where?
[07:39] <skaman> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557
[07:39] <Liam> I don't know if it will work on my notebook, when I get my harddisk tomorrow 
[07:39] <theD3viL> tnx
[07:39] <skaman> theD3viL
[07:39] <skaman> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557
[07:39] <Liam> it has a special driver cd for windows xp 
[07:39] <theD3viL> now wait i must read... ;)
[07:39] <skaman> follow this one
[07:39] <theD3viL> k, tnx :)
[07:40] <theD3viL> brb
[07:40] <skaman> i made my 9600 pro work xfectly
[07:40] <Anlar> they all do and those cd's are useless
[07:41] <Liam> well I didn't have sound before i used that disk 
[07:41] <bubi> sakaman no im trying still
[07:42] <Liam> and for the network adapter it was needed too 
[07:44] <Liam> how can I switch between desktop environments? 
[07:46] <Choubaka> it's the "sessions" in gdm
[07:46] <Choubaka> but I think I found the setting
[07:46] <Liam> you did? 
[07:46] <Choubaka> Let me test it
[07:47] <theD3viL> skaman: if I understand only my xorg.conf is problem? 
[07:48] <theD3viL> but it is very complicated becouse i have plug and play monitor, mx 500 mouse, genius keyboard.... =/////////
[07:49] <skaman> theD3viL i suggest u to make all the process as descripted in the howto
[07:49] <Choubaka> Liam: It seems to work, but the format for setting the time format is obscure
[07:49] <Choubaka> I'll figure it out
[07:49] <skaman> if u got the right fglrx driver than is only a xoorg.conf problem probably
[07:50] <theD3viL> glxgears works, fgl_glxgears say to me an error :S
[07:50] <Liam> it's not using a standard? 
[07:51] <theD3viL> sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-<your-kernel-version> xorg-driver-fglrx - that is a driver ?
[07:51] <skaman> yes
[07:51] <Choubaka> Liam: wait
[07:51] <theD3viL> hm
[07:52] <skaman> make "uname -a"
[07:52] <skaman> 4 your kernel version
[07:52] <theD3viL> but i installed other drivers first, then i installed that... must i format ?
[07:52] <skaman> and then sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-<your-kernel-version> xorg-driver-fglrx 
[07:52] <skaman> no
[07:52] <skaman> just check
[07:52] <skaman> and remove them
[07:52] <theD3viL> how ? :S
[07:52] <skaman> look fglrx
[07:52] <theD3viL> sry i am newbie
[07:52] <skaman> search fglrx in kynaptic
[07:53] <skaman> and completely remove the package
[07:53] <skaman> then reinstall the right one
[07:53] <theD3viL> nope...
[07:53] <theD3viL> ther isnt any fglrx
[07:53] <theD3viL> there isnt any fglrx*
[07:54] <Choubaka> Liam: it does work!
[07:54] <Choubaka> wow.
[07:54] <skaman> noone listed?
[07:54] <theD3viL> nope, none fglrx
[07:54] <skaman> impossible
[07:54] <theD3viL> :S
[07:55] <skaman> maybe noone installed
[07:55] <theD3viL> i refreshed
[07:55] <skaman> but u have to get someone listed
[07:55] <Anlar> you have to add the apt source for those?
[07:55] <theD3viL> Couldn't stat source package list http://backports.ubuntuforums.org hoary-backports/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/backports.ubuntuforums.org_backports_dists_hoary-backports_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[07:55] <Anlar> it has got the legal problems anyways..
[07:55] <theD3viL> that error :S
[07:55] <Choubaka> thank whoever is responsible gconf isn't as obscure as the registry
[07:55] <theD3viL> when i refreshed
[07:55] <bubi> sakaman thanks i solved my TV problem
[07:55] <Choubaka> Liam: you here?
[07:55] <skaman> ;)
[07:56] <bubi> it was all in repositories
[07:56] <theD3viL> wtf i must do now? :S
[07:56] <skaman> theD3viL open kynaptyc
[07:56] <bubi> bye all
[07:56] <theD3viL> yes i did
[07:56] <skaman> now ctrl-F
[07:57] <skaman> and search for fglrx
[07:57] <Liam> oh yeah sorry, I'm here^^ 
[07:57] <theD3viL> aaaaaaaaaa ;)
[07:57] <Liam> was distracted 
[07:57] <skaman> theD3viL....
[07:57] <theD3viL> hm... 8 fglrx drivers
[07:57] <skaman> anyyone marked in green?
[07:58] <Choubaka> Liam: ok
[07:58] <theD3viL> yes
[07:58] <theD3viL> 2
[07:58] <Liam> what did you do to make it work? 
[07:58] <skaman> theD3viL right clik on them and clik on "remove"
[07:58] <theD3viL> all?
[07:58] <skaman> yes
[07:58] <Choubaka> run Applications - System tools - Configuration editor
[07:59] <skaman> then close & committ chages to the system
[07:59] <Choubaka> then select apps - panel - applet
[07:59] <theD3viL> skaman: i just closed... 
[07:59] <theD3viL> nothing happens :S
[07:59] <skaman> yes
[07:59] <skaman> noe
[08:00] <skaman> now
[08:00] <skaman> click on committ chages to the system
[08:00] <Choubaka> then browse to that applet_<num> which has bonobo_iid with "clock" somewhere
[08:00] <theD3viL> aha ;)
[08:00] <Choubaka> Liam: you still with me?
[08:00] <skaman> last icon on the right
[08:00] <skaman> when you've finished u can begin with the tutorial
[08:00] <Liam> clock_screen 0? 
[08:01] <Choubaka> hmm
[08:01] <theD3viL> yes i see... but i all can do is look wath i will remove... where do i remove?
[08:01] <Choubaka> does it have a prefs subfolder?
[08:01] <Choubaka> you need that.
[08:01] <skaman> click on committ chages to the system
[08:01] <Choubaka> there's "custom_format" key
[08:01] <skaman> theD3viL
[08:02] <theD3viL> the following changes are going to be performed?
[08:02] <skaman> yes
[08:02] <theD3viL> now what ?
[08:02] <Liam> I see it 
[08:02] <skaman> that's it
[08:02] <theD3viL> close ?
[08:02] <skaman> did yu finished
[08:02] <skaman> ?
[08:02] <Choubaka> double click and change it to "%Y-%m-%d@%H:%M:%S", no quotes
[08:02] <skaman> all changes done?
[08:02] <Choubaka> then change the "format" key to "custom"
[08:03] <Choubaka> and it should change immediately :)
[08:03] <theD3viL> skaman: i will kill myself
[08:03] <theD3viL> i dont know where confrim :)
[08:03] <theD3viL> confirm *
[08:03] <Liam> it's still the same... maybe it needs to refresh somehow 
[08:04] <Choubaka> hmm
[08:04] <skaman> theD3viL OMG O_o
[08:04] <Choubaka> didn't have for me
[08:04] <theD3viL> mm :$
[08:04] <Choubaka> Liam: for me, it was applet_4
[08:04] <Choubaka> so check through those if you have any
[08:05] <theD3viL> it just a window appears .. thats all
[08:05] <theD3viL> i cant click anything
[08:05] <Choubaka> its bonobo_iid was OAFIID:GNOME_ClockApplet
[08:05] <Liam> the custom format is now visible in the settings windows, but greyed out 
[08:05] <Choubaka> ok
[08:06] <Choubaka> se eif you can change clock type to custom?
[08:06] <Liam> heh that was it... 
[08:06] <Choubaka> ok
[08:06] <Liam> I still had it on 24 
[08:06] <Liam> thanks it's working fine now 
[08:06] <skaman> theD3viL maximize that window
[08:06] <Choubaka> from now on, don't go edit the clock through its settings!
[08:07] <Choubaka> you'll have to go through gconf editor again :|
[08:07] <Liam> I don't need to edit it anymore 
[08:07] <Choubaka> Liam: good.
[08:07] <Liam> but I have another problem pending 
[08:07] <Liam> i've installed winamp 
[08:07] <Liam> worked fine 
[08:07] <Liam> but it doesn't find a sound driver to output 
[08:08] <Liam> ubuntu itself has sound(effects) 
[08:08] <ojw> is it possible to add "universe" repositary to kubuntu?
[08:08] <Choubaka> I think you should take this irc convo as log, and back it up.
[08:08] <Choubaka> Liam: ubuntu is using esd.
[08:08] <Choubaka> you must make wine use esd as well
[08:08] <Liam> how do I configure wine? 
[08:09] <Choubaka> ok, hmm, now there's simple problem: wine can't use ESD. you have an option though.
[08:09] <Almindor> if I have Athlon XP, should I choose 686 kernel or K7 kernel?
[08:09] <Choubaka> you must disable ESD, and use only alsa.
[08:10] <Liam> what is the difference between alsa and esd? 
[08:10] <Choubaka> this will make Ubuntu unable to play any sounds though, but is that really necessary?
[08:10] <Choubaka> esd is what gnome apps use to play system sounds
[08:10] <Choubaka> alsa is the sound system
[08:10] <Choubaka> esd uses alsa, and hogs it all to itself.
[08:10] <Anlar> this is #kubuntu and it uses arts and there isn't esd around. :)
[08:10] <Choubaka> yeah, heh :P
[08:10] <Almindor> is K7 athlon?
[08:11] <Choubaka> maybe we should take this to #ubuntu then :)
[08:11] <Liam> or dcc... 
[08:11] <Liam> kde is still installing can't change anything right now 
[08:11] <Choubaka> basically both esd and alsa are bubblegum to make applications able to play sounds simultaneously.
[08:11] <Choubaka> err
[08:12] <Liam> what does kde use? 
[08:12] <Choubaka> esd and arts!
[08:12] <Choubaka> arts.
[08:12] <Liam> so there would be the same problem 
[08:12] <Choubaka>  except it seems there's an arts sound module for wine... hmm
[08:13] <Choubaka> what sound card do you have?
[08:13] <Liam> sound blaster 
[08:13] <Liam> don't know the exact model 
[08:13] <Choubaka> :|
[08:13] <Choubaka> doesn't sound blaster have hardware mixing?
[08:13] <Liam> I suppose 
[08:14] <Choubaka> let's test.
[08:14] <Choubaka> do "killall esd"
[08:14] <Choubaka> and then try if you can use wine.
[08:14] <Choubaka> with sounds
[08:14] <ojw> has everybody here installed kubuntu from within an ubuntu installation, or directly using the installer CD?
[08:14] <Liam> not right now... kde still instlling... 
[08:14] <Choubaka> why can't it install in the background?
[08:14] <Choubaka> :)
[08:14] <Liam> it can, but it uses all resources 
[08:15] <Choubaka> no it won't :P
[08:15] <Liam> well I can't even open the menu to open a terminal 
[08:15] <Choubaka> ... right.
[08:15] <Choubaka> That's not normal
[08:15] <Liam> now it's working again 
[08:15] <Choubaka> you probably don't have DMA enabled for some reason.
[08:15] <Liam> maybe it was only a portion of the install 
[08:16] <Choubaka> is ubuntu installed on you primary hard disk?
[08:16] <Choubaka> primary master, that is.
[08:16] <Liam> is has the comp all to itself 
[08:16] <Choubaka> ok
[08:16] <Choubaka> try "sudo hdparm /dev/hda"
[08:17] <Choubaka> and tell me, does it have dma enabled?
[08:18] <Liam> there's no hda, only sda 
[08:18] <Choubaka> ah, you have SATA or something?
[08:18] <Choubaka> or a SCSI disk?
[08:18] <Liam> winamp working now after "killall sda" 
[08:18] <Liam> scsi testdisk 
[08:18] <Choubaka> ok
[08:19] <Choubaka> so try hdparming it
[08:19] <Liam> do I have to kill esd everytime I wanna use winamp? 
[08:19] <Choubaka> and tell me if it has DMA... I wonder can SCSI disks even use DMA.
[08:19] <Choubaka> Liam: Well, you can disable esd altogether.
[08:20] <Choubaka> most of the time you don't need multiple applications playing sound at the same time anyway
[08:20] <Anlar> it's no "kubuntu's". all the distros have it like that.
[08:20] <Anlar> but it works unless you are a moron.
[08:20] <Choubaka> :D
[08:20] <Choubaka> That's harsh.
[08:21] <Liam> hmm 
[08:21] <Choubaka> though I think windows is worse. You don't even have a real command line to edit stuff with. :p
[08:21] <Anlar> ok, redhat might have more tools.. but the workstation is what, 200eur/pc
[08:21] <Liam> I don't see anything about dma 
[08:21] <Anlar> liam: /etc/hdparm.conf ?
[08:21] <Choubaka> Liam: try just sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/sda
[08:21] <Choubaka> and tell me if it fails or not
[08:22] <Liam> setting using_dam to 1 
[08:22] <Choubaka> ok.
[08:22] <Liam> HDIO SET DMA Failed: Invalid argument 
[08:22] <Choubaka> not ok.
[08:22] <Choubaka> seems like your SCSI disk can't use DMA
[08:23] <Liam> don't bother with it I'll be using a new disk soon anyway 
[08:23] <Choubaka> yeah. 
[08:23] <Anlar> of course scsi/sata can't use dma
[08:23] <Liam> with my notebook 
[08:23] <Anlar> they do already have the best settings
[08:23] <Choubaka> right.
[08:23] <Choubaka> ok.
[08:23] <Choubaka> so his disk is just slow then. :/
[08:24] <Liam> it's a slow system 
[08:24] <Liam> hmm.. 
[08:24] <Liam> how can I browse the shared files of this comp over the network? 
[08:24] <Choubaka> what shared files?
[08:24] <Liam> folders 
[08:24] <Anlar> liam: if from another linux, the Best way is to use the fish://
[08:25] <Anlar> otherwise, yeah.. I guess samba or something.
[08:25] <Choubaka> hmm.
[08:25] <Liam> not working 
[08:25] <Liam> samba should be isntalled 
[08:25] <Choubaka> I don't know about samba.
[08:26] <Choubaka> Liam: so it's your windows machine sharing the files?
[08:26] <Liam> yeah 
[08:26] <Choubaka> This is a problem I can't help with much, since I don't own windows machines.
[08:26] <Choubaka> ask around :)
[08:27] <Anlar> I do but I disabled the windows networking crap (it's insecure, resource hog and unrequired) and installed openssh(d) on the windows computers..
[08:27] <Liam> the windows shares work fine, I can access it with my xbox without problem 
[08:27] <Choubaka> ok.
[08:27] <Choubaka> So you need some software to access them from ubuntu as well
[08:28] <Liam> to copy over files and stuff 
[08:28] <Choubaka> samba I guess.
[08:28] <Liam> how to run samba? 
[08:28] <buz> i think theres a config utility in kcontrol
[08:28] <Anlar> internet& network -> samba
[08:29] <Choubaka> shouldn't gnome/KDE autodetect windows shares?
[08:29] <Choubaka> in gnome there's "Places - Network servers - Windows network"
[08:29] <Anlar> no.
[08:29] <Anlar> that sort of stuff must be disabled by default because it is inherently insecure
[08:30] <Anlar> at least for what comes to the older protocols
[08:30] <Anlar> but it's fast to enable :)
[08:31] <Liam> I can't access it 
[08:31] <Liam> although it displays... 
[08:31] <Choubaka> Does is give errors?
[08:31] <Liam> it says that i can't display what's inside the folder 
[08:32] <Liam> but maybe if it works the other way 
[08:32] <Choubaka> It would be so nice to have one of the Ubuntu systems pre-installed.
[08:32] <Liam> Windows accessing linux's shares 
[08:32] <Choubaka> these*
[08:32] <Choubaka> Liam: that's more difficult I think
[08:32] <buz> pre installed on what
[08:33] <buz> dell pcs? MUAHAHA
[08:33] <Choubaka> on computers people buy from teh shope
[08:33] <Choubaka> shoppe*
[08:33] <Liam> samba has already set up a network for the linux box 
[08:33] <Liam> all it needs is shares to be defined 
[08:33] <Choubaka> System - adm - shared folders?
[08:33] <Choubaka> ask on #ubuntu for all the gnome stuff.
[08:33] <Liam> interesting 
[08:34] <Liam> accessing shares directly works 
[08:34] <Liam> using "connect to server" and then choose the computer and share 
[08:35] <Anlar> authentication / rights problem then.
[08:35] <Liam> I think it thinks that it's a linux box it looks for a shared desktop and stuff 
[08:37] <Anlar> if you want to see some really _smooth_ and secure file sharing, install the opensshd (cygwin) on the windows computer and use the fish :)
[08:39] <Liam> but then it won't work anymore with my xbox 
[08:39] <Liam> only accepts samba 
[08:40] <Anlar> xbox.. hah
[08:40] <Liam> I watch movies stored on my pc and stuff 
[08:41] <Liam> interesting.... 
[08:41] <Liam> ubuntu doesn't play mp3s, but winamp does it 
[08:42] <Liam> it doesn't play ogg either... wtf 
[08:43] <Choubaka> Liam: I told you about it earlier
[08:44] <Liam> you did? 
[08:44] <Liam> my memory is bad 
[08:44] <Choubaka> legal reasons prevent ubuntu from including mp3 support in the default installation
[08:44] <Liam> I don't really care about mp3 
[08:45] <Liam> I only have 2 or 3 
[08:45] <Liam> they'll be converted to ogg soon 
[08:45] <Choubaka> ahh, right
[08:45] <Liam> but why doesn't ogg work? 
[08:45] <Choubaka> it should be installed by default
[08:45] <Choubaka> but apparently isn't
[08:45] <Liam> there aren't any legal reasons that could prevent ubuntu from including support... 
[08:46] <Liam> or is it because I killed esb? lol 
[08:46] <Choubaka> actually, may be
[08:46] <Choubaka> which player are you using?
[08:47] <Liam> I double click the ogg 
[08:47] <Liam> so the default one, whatever it is 
[08:47] <Choubaka> totem?
[08:47] <Liam> ya 
[08:47] <Choubaka> really weird.
[08:48] <Choubaka> it shouldn't depend on esd :|
[08:48] <Liam> I changed it to alsa/oos, still the same 
[08:49] <Choubaka> install libvorbis0a or something
[08:49] <Liam> already installed 
[08:50] <Choubaka> or gstreamer0.8-vorbis and/or gstreamer0.8-alsa 
[08:50] <Liam> installed 
[08:50] <Choubaka> what does it complain about, specifically?
[08:51] <Liam> Ressource not available 
[08:51] <Choubaka> ah.
[08:51] <Choubaka> so winamp is blocking the soundcard?
[08:51] <Liam> should I close it? 
[08:51] <Choubaka> probably
[08:51] <Liam> no effect 
[08:51] <Choubaka> restart totem as well
[08:52] <Liam> it isn't even running 
[08:52] <Liam> I still try double clicking the ogg... 
[08:52] <Choubaka> :P
[08:52] <Choubaka> hmm
[08:52] <Choubaka> this is really weird.
[08:53] <Choubaka> I'll switch to xfce4 now, brb
[08:54] <Choubaka> Hmm.
[08:54] <Choubaka> Oh, damn I'm tired.
[08:54] <Choubaka> Liam: ask if anyone on #ubuntu knows. :/
[08:55] <Liam> I reboot 
[08:55] <Choubaka> I cant' even think straight now.
[08:55] <Choubaka> Liam: that's rarely needed.
[08:55] <Liam> unlike windows? ;) 
[08:55] <Choubaka> yes.
[08:57] <Liam> well that's not so important right now 
[08:57] <Liam> but I still have a question... is it possible to sync Kontact/evolution with my nokia 6230? 
[08:57] <Liam> over bluetooth 
[08:58] <Choubaka> Liam: browse ubuntuforums.org and ubuntuguide.org too, btw.
[08:58] <Choubaka> they have a lot of how-tos and such
[08:58] <Liam> I'm just wondering if it is possible 
[08:59] <Liam> I don't need a toutorial right now 
[08:59] <Choubaka> It may be.
[08:59] <Choubaka> But I don't know since I've never used bluetooth.
[09:00] <whiskers> what a day...i have been thinking how GNU is going to achieve bankrupting MS, Sony, Nintendo,Lucas, Sierra, and others in order to promote the legal unrestricted, and hence free distribution of all that intellectual material to the commons
[09:02] <Choubaka> argh.
[09:02] <whiskers> if GNU could just get them to use GNU/Linux with its hooks unnoticed....then they could spring the mousetrap
[09:07] <buz> can someone get rid of him
[09:13] <whiskers> i still remember when QT fucked KDE over....and forced them to give away all thier kde intellectual material for free.....they did not like it but they did comply and try to sell what they can simultaneously
[09:14] <whiskers> now..if they can do the same to MS, Nintendo, Sony, Lucas, Sierra, and others....the stage will be set.....the hooks work very well
[09:14] <Choubaka> buz: not until we get some ops here.
[09:14] <Choubaka> Where are they anyway?
[09:14] <buz> dunno
[09:15] <buz> i thought there were plenty of them
[09:15] <buz> how can you become op anyway
[09:15] <Choubaka> you create the channel
[09:15] <buz> yeah sure
[09:15] <Choubaka> then you're given op status.
[09:15] <buz> but i meant in this channel ;)
[09:15] <Choubaka> Well...
[09:15] <buz> maybe they didnt register it with chanserv???
[09:15] <Choubaka> you summon an IRC oper to restore ops
[09:15] <Choubaka> :p
[09:16] <Choubaka> but you need logs and stuff to prove it was you who created the channel.
[09:16] <Choubaka> Or something
[09:18] <ojw2> did you do the switch to xfce then Choubaka
[09:19] <buz> maybe if you can prove to own kubuntu.org that would help,. too ;-)
[09:19] <buz> anyway, /ignore whiskers for me
[09:20] <Choubaka> ojw:  I've been using it for some time already.
[09:21] <Liam> I checked xfce out quickly, don't like the look 
[09:21] <ojw> nice and quick to load
[09:21] <Choubaka> Liam: it can be configured. :)
[09:22] <ojw> I thought the XP theme was quite okay actually...  some of its fonts can be distracting though
[09:27] <whiskers> all these businesses want to complain about GNU constantly on slashdot....but GNU is not the problem, it is the solution for the utter destruction of greedy capitalism
[09:28] <whiskers> and it is slowly spreading
[09:31] <whiskers> and thank heavens that GNU comprises more than 70% of the GNU/Linux distributions
[09:31] <whiskers> so no one can escape its ramifications
[09:33] <ojw> doesn't seem to take much apparently, buz 
[09:33] <buz> not really
[09:33] <Choubaka> why are you banned?
[09:33] <buz> i mean a 30min refresh is ridiculous
[09:33] <ojw> I think the default in most RSS readers is too frequent
[09:33] <ojw> for slashdot's tastes
[09:33] <buz> mine is on manual
[09:33] <buz> still, i check nes more often
[09:33] <Liam> wine suddenly messes up the looks of winamp... 
[09:35] <buz> WTF would you use winamp???
[09:35] <Liam> because it the only player that plays the formats I use 
[09:35] <Liam> if there was an alternativ eI'd use that 
[09:35] <buz> what formats
[09:35] <Liam> usf/gsf/spc/gbs/nsf/spc 
[09:36] <buz> never even heard of those
[09:37] <Liam> if there at least was a linux media player that supports the winamp plugins... 
[09:38] <Anlar> there is
[09:38] <Liam> name? 
[09:38] <Anlar> I can't be arsed to recall what, sorry. but I have seen one program that actually had the option
[09:40] <gahan> i'm trying to change kdm settings, but when i click on "administrator mode" in control center, it asks for password, i supllied a correct password but there's an error: communication with 'su' failed, whats going on?
[09:40] <Anlar> gahan: you have killed the kdesu daemon
[09:40] <Liam> xmms only supports visual plugins, not input plugins 
[09:41] <gahan> Anlar: which package is it? maybe i'll dpkg-reconfigure, or --reinstall?
[09:41] <ojw> Liam: presumably then it's gstreamer (or equivalent) which would need the modules to load new formats?
[09:41] <Anlar> no idea. I am not very familiar (yet) with the apt.. I have not been using it for ~4 years
[09:41] <gahan> Anlar: i can see some kdesud and kdesu processes, btw
[09:42] <Anlar> gahan: the error is about the kdesu (run and shows teh dialog) not being able to communicate with kdesud afaik
[09:42] <Anlar> gahan: so, restart it somehow or something.. no idea
[09:43] <gahan> Anlar: kdesud runs as gahan, is it fine?
[09:43] <Anlar> mine has died so I can not check. sorry. :)
[09:44] <gahan> :/
[09:44] <ojw> I had the same/similar problems yesterday gahan, but it seems to be working today.  I'd hate to reccommend the "try rebooting" solution so favoured by Win32 tech-support people though!
[09:44] <gahan> ojw: i did reboot many times today, i dont think it helps
[09:44] <gahan> :0
[09:44] <gahan> any other recommendations?
[09:45] <Choubaka> Whenever I see "kdesu" I start thinking of the word "desu"
[09:45] <kakalto> me too
[09:45] <kakalto> lol
[09:45] <Liam> dame desu 
[09:45] <Choubaka> then it looks to me as "ok desu"
[09:45] <Choubaka> and then it's confusing, because people are having troubl :(
[09:47] <ojw> gahan: the other thing I noticed was that it didn't work after I'd tried and failed to set time-settings (which must've used KDESU previously)
[09:47] <whiskers> these people totally reject openoffice but they don't mind paying big bucks for Star Office...here is the slashdot quote
[09:48] <whiskers> But I'm not impressed with Open Office's load times. One of the reasons we aren't moving more people to this particular open source package is that it typically takes 5 times as long to open the Text Document app if you don't have the tasktray icon loading.
[09:48] <whiskers> So no, we're not planning on moving anyone to Open Office. We have, however, moved a few workstations to Star Office.
[09:49] <whiskers> it amazes me how these capitalists collude with each other even to spend money to support restricted software
[09:49] <Liam> ack I think I stay with windows... as long as linux doesn't even satisfy my basic needs it's not worth it... I thought about isntalling vmware... but then again, I could just use windows... 
[09:49] <anna> Why no FreeNX in Kubuntu?
[09:49] <whiskers> Liam, well if you look around vmware costs more than an old copy of win98
[09:49] <whiskers> Liam, and does not work as well
[09:50] <Liam> who says I'd pay for it? 
[09:50] <whiskers> Liam, well i assume you want to be legit...but it is none of my business
[09:50] <Liam> that was one reason I wanted to try linux 
[09:50] <Liam> but if it doesn't work for me... 
[09:50] <whiskers> Liam, well you can always dual boot
[09:51] <whiskers> Liam, so you don't lose anything
[09:51] <anna> What's the deal, if Windows is so great for you, just keep on using it?
[09:51] <Liam> yeah right, I just boot up windows to listen to music... 
[09:51] <whiskers> Liam, yes...snackamp is great on win98....and also..the hungarian mplayer
[09:51] <Liam> the games I play don't run it linux, my music doesn't run 
[09:52] <hussam> I only use windows for autocad.
[09:52] <ojw> what're the music formats you were listening to Liam? I just seen your list and realised I don't recognise any of them
[09:52] <Liam> usf/gsf/spc/gbs/nsf/spc  
[09:52] <anna> Me neither
[09:52] <Liam> I could convert everything to ogg... but it's not worth it.. and it would take too much space 
[09:53] <ojw> what are they
[09:53] <anna> Disk space is cheap these days
[09:53] <ojw> ah, console sound formats?
[09:53] <Liam> then buy me the hard disks 
[09:53] <Liam> yes 
[09:53] <Liam> only one hd fits in my notbook 
[09:54] <anna> Why should anybody do anything for you when you are already happy? :p
[09:54] <Liam> well I only have one windows lincense XP 
[09:54] <ojw> these music file formats are all various forms of compressed file like MP3 or vorbis? 
[09:54] <Liam> nope 
[09:54] <Liam> it are formats similiar to midi 
[09:55] <ojw> oh okay
[09:55] <Liam> diffrent 
[09:55] <ojw> sort of thing that seems easy to write converters for if you have the time, just that nobody does
[09:55] <anna> Ah... just throwing it in, but Rosegarden, Kmidi and this stuff, doesn't work?
[09:56] <Liam> it is not midi 
[09:56] <anna> I sometimes read about music professionals using Linux
[09:56] <buz> http://www.opera.com/pressreleases/en/2005/04/21/
[09:56] <buz> MUAHAHA
[09:56] <kakalto> I thought they went mac...
[09:56] <anna> The only complaint I hear is lack of real time support in Linux
[09:56] <buz> guys download opera
[09:56] <anna> why?
[09:56] <kakalto> anna, not if you *buy* it for the support
[09:56] <kakalto> buz, I already have
[09:56] <buz> lets see if he swims
[09:57] <Liam> it's just similiar to midi in the sence that it doesn't contain prerecorded music like mp3 etc does, only the "notes and intruments" 
[09:57] <buz> he'd qualify for the guiness book for sure
[09:57] <anna> kakalto: he, buy what?
[09:57] <kakalto> the support
[09:57] <kakalto> for linux
[09:57] <ojw> yeah, we read that buz.  Opera boss said that he'd swim norway - USA if they get 1 million downloads
[09:57] <kakalto> you can *buy* support for most distro's, can't you?
[09:57] <buz> mhh i got some more ips
[09:57] <buz> LOL
[09:57] <buz> maybe i can put that C net to good use for once
[09:58] <ojw> you work with that kind of stuff as a game-developer then Liam?
[09:58] <anna> kakalto: support != change to make it suit your needs
[09:58] <kakalto> like red hat, they won't let you get it without support
[09:58] <Liam> no, I just listen to it 
[09:58] <whiskers> anna, yes both rosegarden and kmid work very well .
[09:58] <Almindor> how do you install .deb files?(I've alienated 2 rpms)
[09:58] <Almindor> and.. is there mplayer available as package?
[09:58] <whiskers> anna, but there is some problem of simultaneity on  cheap sound hardware
[09:59] <anna> whiskers: well, i hope the kernel will improve for that somehow, I guess it depends on low latency to get that, right?
[09:59] <whiskers> anna, plus rosegarden with all that intense work fell into the QT trap...and now they have to give it away for free
[09:59] <kakalto> Almindor, sudo dpkg -i <deb>
[10:00] <whiskers> anna, no...it depends on other crap trying use the hardware...while hardware intensive stuff needs it
[10:00] <whiskers> anna, that is why Liam was discussing dual boot
[10:00] <anna> whiskers: Did Trolltech stop selling Qt licences or what do you mean?
[10:00] <Liam> the reason why the plugin haven't been ported over is, that it's partially emulation 
[10:00] <Liam> I assuem 
[10:01] <whiskers> anna, no QT is cleverly designed GPL library and they force all users of QT to comply with GNU and the GNU hooks have been very successful
[10:01] <whiskers> anna, those GPL guys like Stallman and others are very brilliant people
[10:01] <anna> whiskers: Hm, QT is great software, big part of KDE quality comes from it
[10:01] <whiskers> anna, that is right....that is how kde got lured into using it
[10:02] <Almindor> kakalto: diki
[10:02] <anna> whiskers: Well, KDE was to be Free Software from the start
[10:02] <kakalto> Almindor, diki ?
[10:02] <whiskers> anna, no...not true...kde wanted to make a lot of money on koffice
[10:02] <Almindor> kakalto: thanks
[10:02] <anna> whiskers: And licences force nobody nothing, they are allowing you something which is normally forbidden
[10:02] <kakalto> Almindor, no problem :)
[10:03] <ojw> liam: sounds like the music-composing packages would be the only ones interested in handling those types of files, but of course they mostly use their own formats don;t they
[10:03] <anna> whiskers: Well, you have no chance, I happen to know KOffice developer of the first days :p
[10:03] <whiskers> anna, legalities of licensing force everything and you should pay close attention to the details of the legalities
[10:03] <anna> anna: And that I can tell you, it started as a demo of component tech
[10:04] <koalah> hello?
[10:04] <anna> whiskers: Truth remains, for little bucks, you can keep your QT program, my company does it
[10:04] <Liam> totem still isn't working lol but kde thingy did.. 
[10:04] <Almindor> btw a bug with installer:
[10:04] <Almindor> if you choose to "download your locales"
[10:05] <Almindor> it get's loopy after all the packages
[10:05] <Almindor> and if you reset
[10:05] <Almindor> it freezes trying to finish the installation
[10:05] <Almindor> I had to go pure english
[10:05] <koalah> why do I have to keep doing this after reboot: "ln -s /dev/ttyS1 /dev/modem"?
[10:05] <koalah> might be backwards but
[10:07] <Anlar> koalah: because dev is dynamic. write an udev rule for the alias
[10:07] <koalah> udev?
[10:08] <Anlar> koalah: /dev gets managed _automatically_. look at /etc/udev*
[10:08] <Anlar> koalah: "decibel's udev primer" is good reading if you google
[10:09] <koalah> k, thanks
[10:10] <Almindor> brb
[10:10] <Anlar> koalah: and this one as well: http://www.reactivated.net/udevrules.php
[10:11] <whiskers> anna, well yes...if you want to hand over money to Troll Tech they will free you from the GPL obligation in part....you can restrict your program but you must also remain compliant with a GPL version for free redistribution
[10:11] <whiskers> anna, much like MySQL
[10:11] <whiskers> anna, they comply with a free GNU version and a restricted and paid for commercial version
[10:12] <Li-Venom> is there a kubuntu specific method to auto probe for video card and get the missing xserver module ?
[10:13] <whiskers> anna, but anyone who uses the GNU version of MySQL must also comply with GNU and turn over all thier intellectual contributions to the GNU community
[10:14] <bad_mongo> anyone know how I install acroread, flash and java in kubuntu?
[10:15] <ojw> the publishers' websites would be an obvious start, bad_mongo
[10:15] <Anlar> bad_mongo: the ubuntu wiki answers that very well
[10:16] <koalah> kubuntu doesn't have setserial and minicom correct? I need to make sure my modem is on ttyS1.
[10:21] <blueyed> what was the kde app to take screenshots?
[10:22] <Anlar> wondering the same thing at the moment
[10:22] <Anlar> ksnapshot
[10:23] <blueyed> thanks, Anlar :)
[10:23] <whiskers> bad_mongo, why bother everybody is putting flash blockers in firefox
[10:24] <whiskers> bad_mongo, flash was yesterday's attempt to make money off of restricted software
[10:24] <whiskers> bad_mongo, the firefox people have brilliantly created  a flash blocker
[10:24] <Anlar> next coming up: stories about them black helicopters
[10:28] <_sim> Does someone know what line I should add/change in /etc/kde3/kdmrc to have 75 dpi fonts by default ?
[10:29] <_sim> or should I change another thing ?
[10:31] <whiskers> bad_mongo, and millions of people on windows and linux are downloading firefox and installing the flash blocker
[10:31] <whiskers> bad_mongo, so there is no one left to participate in that restricted to paying customer nonsense
[10:35] <whiskers> bad_mongo, i also imagine quite soon...they will create a php blocker just like MS created an active x blocker
[10:40] <bad_mongo> whiskers, I agree.. I'm using the adblocker too, but it's ok to have flash if there is something you actually want to see
[10:42] <whiskers> bad_mongo, that is right...that is why millions of people all over the world are downloading the FREE firefox just to get the adblocker and the flashblocker...and i suspect they are working on a PHP blocker
[10:42] <carambol> is  hoary-backports not functioning?
[10:43] <carambol> i need j2re1.5 with apt
[10:43] <whiskers> bad_mongo, no they don't want to participate in any of that restricted to paying customer nonsense
[10:44] <whiskers> bad_mongo, and they don't trust PHP just like they don't trust active x
[10:44] <Anlar> whiskers: do you even know what php is?
[10:44] <whiskers> bad_mongo, so i suspect they are working on that blocker too
[10:44] <whiskers> Anlar, it is inline code...much like active x was
[10:44] <whiskers> Anlar, and people are not stupid anymore and don't want to subject their machines to that crap
[10:45] <Anlar> activeX inline code like php.. ;~D
[10:45] <carambol> how i install java?
[10:45] <carambol> in hoary
[10:45] <kakalto> www.ubuntuguide.org
[10:45] <kakalto> it's covered there
[10:46] <carambol> they say with apt-get install j2re1.5
[10:46] <carambol> but it is not in the sources
[10:46] <Anlar> yes, after you have added the proper sources.
[10:46] <carambol> is it in  backports?
[10:47] <bad_mongo> whiskers, is there actually anything you don't block? ;)
[10:47] <whiskers> bad_mongo, it is not me...it is the whole world...firefox has already been successfully downloaded by over 10 million people just to get the flash blocker and the adblocker
[10:48] <carambol> in which source i can find jre1.5
[10:48] <carambol> ?
[10:48] <whiskers> bad_mongo, and they also want the PHP blocker because they recognize that some people may abuse PHP and put harmful code in their web pages
[10:48] <Anlar> no. firefox can be downloaded 10 million times. not by over 10 million people. 
[10:49] <whiskers> Anlar, well i doubt anyone wants 20 copies of firefox on one machine
[10:49] <bad_mongo> whiskers, yes, it's a wonderful extension.. but I'd wish there were something similiar for Opera.. I like Opera better..
[10:49] <whiskers> bad_mongo, well i don't know ...you have to take it up with mozilla org
[10:49] <bad_mongo> not only because i'm a norwegian, but because it's faster
[10:49] <bad_mongo> :)
[10:50] <Anlar> whiskers: you never have reinstalled a windows? no one has? or has upgraded the browser? that never happens? really? 
[10:50] <Anlar> cool, I'll switch over :o)
[10:52] <Anlar> and all of them have downloaded all the blockers? sure.
[10:52] <A-Wing> Wow, just when I think Ubuntu can't get much better, I try KUbuntu :)
[10:53] <Anlar> and how the heck could something on client side block anything that is being done 100% transparently at server side, outputing pure html as result.. (php) lol
[10:54] <bad_mongo> does it exist a linux program that removes flash and crap in other browsers than firefox?
[10:55] <Anlar> bad_mongo: if you want a real Good solution, use a filtering proxy such as webcleaner.
[10:56] <bad_mongo> Anlar, well, I don't have skills in those things :)
[10:56] <Anlar> bad_mongo: it's not very hard. unfortunately it seems no one has packaged it (yet). but if you can generally compile programs (./configure; make ; make install etc) it's not that hard.
[11:03] <omni_lonnie> ] \
[11:07] <blueyed> bad_mongo, privoxy is available as package from universe.
[11:17] <bad_mongo> blueyed, ok, thank you
[11:19] <bad_mongo> blueyed, isn't it a gui for privoxy?
[11:32] <Anlar> privoxy has no gui.
[11:32] <Anlar> it provides configuration interface on your browser.
[11:40] <alfons> Hi guys; I can't get my sound to work on my Kubuntu system! Any suggestions? My sound card ( standard Compaq which was in my computer) gets detected by the BIOS, but linux doesn't seem to find it . It's a PnP card.
[11:43] <Anlar> alfons: lspci ? what is the card?
[11:43] <KaiL> ISA?
[11:43] <Anlar> hopefully not isa.
[11:43] <KaiL> else it should be listed with lspci
[11:44] <KaiL> chatting as root is bad
[11:44] <theD3viL> i know
[11:44] <theD3viL> but i must 
[11:44] <Anlar> no. you must not.
[11:45] <theD3viL> i must install drivers for my graphic card! =/
[11:45] <theD3viL> i am trying it for 5h but .. :S
[11:45] <Anlar> no you must not. never ever use the root unless if needed.
[11:45] <KaiL> ATI? nvidia? matrox? intel?
[11:45] <theD3viL> ATI =/
[11:46] <theD3viL> 9600pro
[11:46] <KaiL> apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx
[11:46] <KaiL> apt-get install fglrx-control
[11:46] <theD3viL> mm
[11:46] <KaiL> eh, nonsense
[11:47] <KaiL> forget the second
[11:47] <KaiL> but run "fglrxconfig" then
[11:47] <theD3viL> hm
[11:47] <KaiL> and "modprobe fglrx" after that
[11:47] <theD3viL> how can configure fglrxconfig then?
[11:48] <Anlar> just run it.
[11:48] <KaiL> that's a Programm, just run it
[11:48] <_sim> theD3viL, you should use sudo for you root commands, and chat with another account
[11:48] <kakalto> isn't it funny how there's "security problems" on google under konqueror, but if I identify as firefox, there's no error message
[11:48] <kakalto> *gmail
[11:48] <theD3viL> hm
[11:49] <KaiL> theD3viL: oh, and finally write "fglrx" into /etc/modules
[11:49] <theD3viL> KaiL how can i remove other stuff i installed before? :S
[11:49] <KaiL> which other stuff?
[11:49] <theD3viL> drivers
[11:49] <theD3viL> for ATI..
[11:50] <KaiL> it'll get overwritten :)
[11:50] <KaiL> so just ignore it
[11:50] <theD3viL> kk
[11:50] <gdh> or if you typed 'make install' before ... type 'llatsni ekam' 
[11:50] <KaiL> gdh: haha
[11:51] <KaiL> idiot
[11:51] <Anlar> o_O
[11:51] <gdh> heh :)
[11:51] <theD3viL> Do you want to enable "Quad Buffer Stereo" (y/n)?
[11:51] <KaiL> if you don't know, use the default ;)
[11:53] <theD3viL> i done with fglrxconf
[11:53] <theD3viL> :)
[11:53] <theD3viL> now.........
[11:53] <theD3viL> am
[11:53] <KaiL> now modprobe fglrx
[11:54] <theD3viL> theD3viL: oh, and finally write "fglrx" into /etc/modules - hm.. /etc/modules, or /etc/X11 ?
[11:54] <KaiL> /etc/modules 
[11:55] <Anlar> modprobe.d for 2.6 kernels
[11:55] <KaiL> because the module needs to be loaded again after reboot ;)
[11:55] <theD3viL> aha.... it is inside aleready
[11:55] <KaiL> Anlar: sorry?
[11:55] <theD3viL> that is it?
[11:56] <KaiL> should be
[11:56] <theD3viL> ammmmmmmm... what about my XF86conf which i done it ?
[11:56] <KaiL> xorg.conf that is
[11:56] <theD3viL> rename it to xorg.conf and replace ?
[11:56] <KaiL> /etc/X11/xorg.conf, but should be configured too
[11:57] <Anlar> kail: afaik modprobe.d is automatically handled and used for 2.6 kernels.. and modules for 2.4 and would require the update-thingy and it would be composed to /etc/ directly.. and it's deprecated. but that's just my afaik
[11:57] <theD3viL> but where i must paste my XF86Conf.. ?
[11:57] <KaiL> theD3viL: there's no more XF86Config on (k)ubuntu
[11:58] <theD3viL> KaiL, but where i must paste my XF86Conf.. ?
[11:58] <theD3viL> whoops =)
[11:58] <KaiL> paste?
[11:58] <theD3viL> i didnt see =)
[11:58] <theD3viL> yeah i know
[11:59] <theD3viL> but i made it rihgt ?
[11:59] <Anlar> just hands off the configuration, dummy. and sod off being root
[11:59] <theD3viL> brb... restart..k ?
[11:59] <theD3viL> :
[12:00] <Anlar> just /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[12:00] <Anlar> ... sigh.