[05:50] <hypno> you know, at the top of the ubuntu wiki the text that gives you context location (UserDocumentation >> SetupHowTos >> AddingRepositoriesHowto >>, etc) s extremely small for me.
[07:57] <froud> African Greetings
[12:31] <mdke> jeffsch, i agree with your mail to the list on the kde quickguide
[12:34] <_froud_> +1
[12:35] <mdke> morning froud 
[12:35] <mdke> :)
[12:35] <froud> morn
[12:37] <froud> however, I think we should let creativity flow here and see where it goes. Certainly, judgement of crowds will determine if it is a good or bad idea. So far it seems to be not a good idea.
[12:41] <mdke> yes i agree with letting creativity flow
[12:42] <mdke> but random misspelling...
[12:43] <froud> yeah, I dont think it is a good idea. But js is new and young, he is having fun which by experimenting, I think it is a good thing. I think the consensus of the crowds will mature him in this aspect and will move to a normal approach :-)
[12:43] <mdke> oh yeah its no biggie
[12:44] <mdke> young?
[12:44] <mdke> :p
[12:44] <froud> young in terms of FOSS
[12:44] <froud> not age
[12:44] <froud> :-)
[12:44] <mdke> lol
[12:59] <mdke> hi jiyuu0 
[01:00] <mdke> welcome
[01:00] <jiyuu0> hello
[01:00] <jiyuu0> i just read there's a prob wif http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[01:00] <jiyuu0> that is causing broken thingi
[01:00] <jiyuu0> issit only wif mplayer?
[01:00] <mdke> I have encountered the problems with codecs generally, people have complained about broken totems too
[01:01] <mdke> jiyuu0, in my experience it is only safe to add marillat temporarily, and then comment it out
[01:01] <jiyuu0> sounds true
[01:01] <jiyuu0> how bout backport?
[01:01] <mdke> and I don't believe that it is necessary to add all of the marillat repositories
[01:01] <mdke> jiyuu0, i have no experience with backports but I know they are very frowned upon by Ubuntu developers
[01:02] <jiyuu0> i added all cause acroread is in testing
[01:02] <mdke> jiyuu0, my personal opinion is that when you describe how to install individual packages, it would be really nice to specify which repository needs to be added, rather than asking people to add them all. and also maybe to explain the risks of the repositories
[01:03] <jiyuu0> i only afraid that would confuse ppl.. that's why i add the whole thingi in
[01:04] <mdke> jiyuu0, for codecs and mplayer, the page http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats can be very useful
[01:04] <mdke> yes I see your concern about the confusion
[01:04] <jiyuu0> so far... the only prob addin all is mplayer broken
[01:05] <mdke> perhaps you could ask others about their experience on ubuntu-users to find out more: i only have limited experience
[01:05] <jiyuu0> ok
[01:06] <mdke> jiyuu0, i think it would be really cool to pool our resources and involve the docteam in your project, even if it is just for input purposes
[01:06] <jiyuu0> i'll see how i can restructure it
[01:06] <jiyuu0> i'm thinkin to convert it to the doc team format... once i finish addin a few more topics
[01:07] <mdke> that would be totally cool
[01:07] <mdke> jiyuu0, perhaps you can email the docteam list about it?
[01:07] <mdke> they can give you lots of help
[01:08] <jiyuu0> ok
[01:08] <mdke> yay :)
[01:09] <jiyuu0> :)
[01:09] <mdke> your resource has enormous potential, and it would be nice to work together to make it really reliable and bring it to the maximum number of users possible
[01:11] <Burgundavia> jiyuu0, the only marillait repo that is neccesary is the unstable one, as testing and stable have no amd64 debs
[01:11] <Burgundavia> jiyuu0, it has also been having some issues recently
[01:11] <jiyuu0> Burgundavia: testing have acroread 7
[01:12] <jiyuu0> else mozilla-acroread will be broken if not added
[01:12] <Burgundavia> unstable has it as well
[01:12] <mdke> it is only natural that marillat causes problems: it is not made for Ubuntu. What I do on my system is to add it and then remove it after I've installed what I want
[01:13] <jiyuu0> or should i download the packages to my server... and let ppl download + install manualloy
[01:13] <Burgundavia> Marilliat shoudl work in Ubuntu
[01:13] <Burgundavia> jiyuu0, no, keep the repos
[01:13] <jiyuu0> ok
[01:13] <Burgundavia> there is no good reason that those repos should break, as long as you know what to expect, and which ones you actually need
[01:15] <mdke> have fun Kinnison 
[01:15] <mdke> lol
[01:15] <Burgundavia> indeed
[01:15] <jiyuu0> all from ubuntu
[01:15] <jiyuu0> gosh
[01:16] <jiyuu0> that's why i'm afraid to login into my gmail + subsribe mailing list account
[01:16] <mdke> jiyuu0, if you use evolution or another email client you can filter the mailing lists into individual folders ;)
[01:17] <jiyuu0> did it previously... till i formatted it to hoary
[01:17] <Burgundavia> gmail has that to
[01:17] <jiyuu0> haven setup my mail client yet
[01:18] <jiyuu0> anybody suggested kubuntu guide before?
[01:18] <jiyuu0> i don't think i have the time to do that
[01:19] <Burgundavia> ubuntuguide will work for kubuntu, because it is cli based
[01:19] <jiyuu0> not really... configure network / right file share is only avaible for ubuntu but not kubuntu
[01:20] <Burgundavia> ah
[02:19] <jjesse> morning
[02:19] <Burgundavia> salut
[02:19] <mdke> hi jjesse 
[02:19] <jjesse> hello mdke
[02:20] <jjesse> finally have time to work again now that we have succesfully deployed our ip phone system
[02:21] <jsgotangco> ugghh there goes the kwick guide *grin*
[02:22] <mdke> hi jsgotangco 
[02:22] <jsgotangco> mdke, hey hows it going
[02:22] <mdke> good thanks, you?
[02:23] <jsgotangco> im starting to pack up my stuff
[02:23] <jsgotangco> good thing the list isnt steaming today
[02:24] <mdke> yeah its calming down
[02:24] <mdke> jsgotangco, have fun in UDU, defend the docteam corner ;)
[02:24] <jsgotangco> yes i will defend the dokteam korner
[02:24] <jsgotangco> gyah ha ha
[02:24] <mdke> hmm
[02:25] <jsgotangco> sure its electronic
[02:25] <mdke> (electronically)
[02:25] <jsgotangco> hmm
[02:26] <jsgotangco> no school?
[02:27] <jsgotangco> ugghh this xp machine suck so bad
[02:33] <jsgotangco> mdke, how goes rosetta?
[02:33] <mdke> jsgotangco, seems ok, what do you think?
[02:33] <mdke> i saw a tl quickguide po appear
[02:33] <jsgotangco> hmm that's not me for sure
[02:34] <jsgotangco> i will check ive been busy with the quickguide
[02:34] <mdke> jsgotangco, there aren't actually any translations in there
[02:34] <mdke> maybe carlos just added a blank po
[02:35] <jsgotangco> theres a bit trouble brewing with i18n and i10n over here the debian-tl people are sourgraping
[02:35] <mdke> whats wrong?
[02:36] <jsgotangco> everytime someone in debian-tl asks about ubuntu they say translate debian first since it goes to ubuntu
[02:36] <jsgotangco> i told them that's fine
[02:36] <mdke> well the upstream translations certainly go in
[02:37] <jsgotangco> yeah they go in like what happened in hoary
[02:37] <jsgotangco> i told them to read the stuff in rosetta first before reacting
[02:39] <mdke> you should tell them to translate upstream first since it goes into debian :p
[02:39] <jsgotangco> they dont like the idea of translating something other than debian
[02:39] <jsgotangco> which is ridiculous
[02:40] <mdke> sounds like they are typical debian users
[02:40] <mdke> tell them to post on the ubuntu-tl list, if you have one
[02:41] <jsgotangco> we have ubuntu-ph but some of them debian-tl guys can be stubborn perhaps it is our culture
[02:41] <mdke> nah its like that with all debian users ;)
[02:41] <mdke> just tell them of the existence of ubuntu-ph and leave it at that
[02:41] <jsgotangco> we did
[02:41] <jsgotangco> hehe
[02:42] <jsgotangco> we get like 3 new members everyday
[02:42] <mdke> cool
[03:04] <jjesse> jsgotangco did you remove the Kwick guide references to the kubuntu quickguide or not yet per the discussion on the email list
[03:20] <jeffsch> good morning
[03:23] <jjesse> morning
[04:59] <jsgotangco> jjesse, will do remove those stuff because the style guide says so
[04:59] <jjesse> ok
[05:00] <jsgotangco> but i'll just commit them later got to add more stuff dont want to commit on just plain title changes
[05:00] <abelli> ciao a tutti, where should i look for breezy's qemu-image.
[05:01] <jsgotangco> ciao
[05:03] <mdke> abelli, #ubuntu-devel?
[05:03] <abelli> mdke: you should know it? or how can you take images of breezy?
[05:04] <mdke> i don't know
[05:04] <mdke> we haven't done screenshots yet
[05:05] <jsgotangco> i haven't even changed my box to breezy repos
[05:05] <mdke> me neither
[05:05] <jsgotangco> too early imo
[05:05] <jjesse> me 3
[05:05] <jsgotangco> for us anyway
[05:05] <jjesse> i don't want to have to update every day :(
[05:05] <jsgotangco> well
[05:05] <jsgotangco> we dont need to
[05:05] <mdke> i will install breezy on a separate partition and do doc work in that i think
[05:05] <jsgotangco> we can start serious stuff halway through breezy devel
[05:06] <jsgotangco> right now we're focusing on structure
[05:06] <jsgotangco> mdke, i was in #ubuntu the other day
[05:06] <jsgotangco> and i saw some guys saying gubuntu, kubuntu, xubuntu
[05:06] <jsgotangco> hehehe
[05:06] <mdke> pah
[05:09] <Burgundavia> gubuntu, the republican version of Ubuntu
[05:09] <jsgotangco> lol
[05:13] <jsgotangco> jiyuu0, hi
[05:14] <jiyuu0> jsgotangco, hello
[05:18] <jsgotangco> im supposed to leave in a few hours and then my mobile phone wont respond
[05:18] <jsgotangco> grr
[05:19] <abelli> jsgotangco: well, you can use qemu, so that you dont have to install it :)
[05:20] <jsgotangco> abelli, you will be proud of me for i am using an ms smartphone that my wife gave me a few months ago
[05:21] <jsgotangco> im downloading a new firmware at the moment
[05:21] <abelli> jsgotangco: ok im coming for the "mkfs.ext2"
[05:22] <jsgotangco> it would be nice to have one of those moto phones
[05:23] <jsgotangco> abelli, by chance are you in milan
[05:24] <abelli> jsgotangco: no but i can get there in less than 2 hrs
[05:25] <jsgotangco> abelli, i might go to milan by october to visit my aunt and go to rome as well
[05:26] <abelli> jsgotangco: we can meet up in milan .. easily.
[05:26] <jeffsch> I'm off to get caffeine. jsgotangco, have fun at UDU and don't work too hard! :-)
[05:28] <jsgotangco> jeffsch, thanks i will make sure the dokteam gets heard hehe
[05:28] <jeffsch> :)
[05:29] <abelli> im off
[05:29] <abelli> ciao a tutti
[05:29] <mdke> ciao
[05:29] <abelli> buon week end
[05:29] <mdke> you too
[05:30] <jsgotangco> ciao
[05:45] <jsgotangco> ok that's all folks
[05:46] <jsgotangco> see you