| \sh | ok...last cigarette and then sleeping time | 12:02 |
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| tritium | hi crimsun | 02:57 |
| crimsun | hi tritium, how're things? | 02:58 |
| tritium | crimsun, not bad, you? | 02:58 |
| tritium | crimsun, do you by chance have python-scipy installed on your machine? | 03:00 |
| tritium | I'm getting tons of segfaults and other errors doing even the simplest plotting. | 03:00 |
| crimsun | tritium: no, I don't, I've seen a couple posts on u-u about it and will look | 03:02 |
| tritium | I'll search for those... | 03:02 |
| tritium | even walking through a simple exam from http://www.scipy.org/documentation/plottutorial.html fails | 03:03 |
| tritium | example, that is | 03:03 |
| crimsun | ok, I'll look at it later when I have access again to a Breezy machine | 03:31 |
| crimsun | this machine running the livecd doesn't have very much RAM | 03:31 |
| tritium | crimsun, thanks | 03:32 |
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| aisipos | Anyone here able to hear a bug report about installing kdelibs-data (which has had a security update)? | 08:08 |
| aisipos | sudo apt-get install kdelibs-data | 08:09 |
| aisipos | Results in (partly snipped): | 08:09 |
| aisipos | Unpacking replacement kdelibs-data ... | 08:09 |
| aisipos | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4%3a3.4.0-0ubuntu3.1_all.deb (--unpack): | 08:09 |
| aisipos | trying to overwrite `/usr/share/icons/default.kde', which is also in package knetworkconf | 08:09 |
| \sh | aisipos: malone | 08:10 |
| aisipos | ok | 08:10 |
| \sh | much more interessting is this: http://spaces.msn.com/ compare everything with http://www.ubuntulinux.com/ | 08:11 |
| aisipos | The component to file against would be kdelibs, not kdelibs-data, correct? | 08:12 |
| \sh | source: kdelibs binary: kdelibs-data | 08:12 |
| \sh | but check first for an already existing bug pls :) | 08:14 |
| aisipos | ok. :) | 08:14 |
| aisipos | I'm not sure the "search" feature in Malone works properly... | 08:15 |
| \sh | well list all the bugs from the ubuntu project...there are not much, and kdelibs update is new ;) | 08:15 |
| aisipos | In fact I'm reasonably certain it doesn't work at all... :) | 08:15 |
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| aisipos | Didn't see anything about kdelibs, so I'll file a new one. | 08:18 |
| aisipos | Ok, bug filed here: https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/bugs/462 | 08:21 |
| aisipos | Is there any way I can force this to install in the meantime? | 08:21 |
| \sh | --force-yes | 08:22 |
| \sh | apt-et install --force-yes kdelibs-data | 08:23 |
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| aisipos | sh: that command gives me the same error as before. Do I need to use dpkg directly somehow to fix this? | 08:24 |
| \sh | try it | 08:25 |
| \sh | I'm leaving it right now... | 08:25 |
| aisipos | I got it to install with: | 08:28 |
| aisipos | sudo dpkg --force-overwrite -i /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4%3a3.4.0-0ubuntu3.1_all.deb | 08:29 |
| aisipos | I supposed I could have used --force-overwrite from apt-get, but I don't know. | 08:29 |
| crimsun | no, you did it correctly | 08:29 |
| aisipos | But at least the red update ! in my tray is gone. :) | 08:30 |
| aisipos | Thanks for all the help. | 08:30 |
| ajmitch | sigh, I hate losing things only a few hours before travelling :) | 08:47 |
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| === ajmitch waves to ogra | ||
| === ogra waves back... | ||
| ogra | :) | 12:28 |
| ajmitch | how's it going over there? | 12:29 |
| ogra | tired... we were swimming.... and i'm just not trained for such things.... | 12:30 |
| ajmitch | heh | 12:30 |
| ajmitch | still warm there? | 12:30 |
| ogra | ajmitch, sure | 12:33 |
| ajmitch | good | 12:33 |
| ogra | and sunny like hell | 12:34 |
| ajmitch | :) | 12:34 |
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| ogra | ajmitch, i bet you wont see much of sydney anyway... and the temperature will depend on the aircondition of the hotel.... this conference is heavy packed (compared to the last one) | 12:36 |
| ajmitch | yeah.. | 12:36 |
| ajmitch | ah well | 12:36 |
| ajmitch | a little bit of insanity is good | 12:37 |
| ogra | its a bit sad that not even one day is lanned for going out together.... last time mark put this in the schedule | 12:37 |
| ajmitch | I guess they were just too squeezed for time, with only 1 week | 12:37 |
| ogra | yeah... thats what i mean.... making it 10 days and having one relaxation day and one hack day in the schedule would have been nicer... but well | 12:38 |
| ajmitch | are there any hack days at all? | 12:39 |
| ajmitch | or is it all BOFs? | 12:39 |
| ogra | all BOFs | 12:39 |
| ogra | no hacking time planned.... | 12:39 |
| ajmitch | that's a shame | 12:39 |
| ajmitch | people will be too tired to do much at night | 12:39 |
| Treenaks | ogra: that needs to be fixed for the next ubuntu conf | 12:39 |
| \sh | hmmm | 12:40 |
| \sh | who is responsible for bugfixing hoary right now? | 12:40 |
| === ajmitch wonders what will be arranged for lunch & dinner at UDU | ||
| ogra | Treenaks, then convince mark... he made the new schedule.... nobody is happy with the parting of the BOFs in four pieces either | 12:40 |
| \sh | malin == mutant thunafish | 12:41 |
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| \sh | ;) | 12:41 |
| Treenaks | ogra: /next/ ubuntu conf... I'm not on udu | 12:41 |
| ogra | \sh, only security fixes go in... | 12:41 |
| ogra | Treenaks, i'm not sure if it will change for the next conf | 12:41 |
| \sh | ogra: I know :) but this should be a thing to change...cause functionality breaks should also be fixed | 12:41 |
| ogra | \sh, nope... | 12:41 |
| ogra | \sh, they have to be worked around.... | 12:42 |
| ogra | \sh, only major dataloss or security fixes... | 12:42 |
| \sh | ogra: k3b as an example...vcdimage 0.7.20 has a bug...that's the reason why you can't create or burn any vcds with k3b...bug is fixed in 0.7.21 (already in sid, synced to breezy in a couple of days)...so the only thing you can do, backport bugfix from 0.7.21 to 0.7.20 or add a patch to k3bs vcdimager call | 12:44 |
| \sh | ogra: this should be covered as well... | 12:44 |
| ogra | \sh, nope... | 12:44 |
| ogra | ajmitch, http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDownUnder/BOFs/UbuntuDownUnderSchedule | 12:45 |
| ajmitch | yeah, I was reading it | 12:45 |
| ogra | pretty packed | 12:45 |
| ajmitch | I've got to check how many there are where I have to bilocate ;) | 12:45 |
| ajmitch | are you leading the universe or other BOFs? | 12:46 |
| \sh | ogra: give me a reason why not :) | 12:47 |
| \sh | it doesn't add more functionality, nor breaks anything | 12:47 |
| ogra | it drags away developer time | 12:47 |
| ajmitch | \sh: because we don't control what goes into hoary now ;) | 12:47 |
| ogra | it drags away ftp masters time | 12:47 |
| ajmitch | and you'd have to get someone to review those changes, etc | 12:48 |
| ogra | you cant guarantee it doesnt brak something else without wide testing... so it drags away testers time from breezy... | 12:48 |
| ogra | etc | 12:48 |
| \sh | ogra: so, we should establish a "post release test enviroment for security and repair-functionality updates" | 12:49 |
| ajmitch | no matter how sure you are that it is fixed, you probably don't have access to other architectures to check that | 12:49 |
| \sh | ajmitch: that's the reason why, there must be a qa for something like this.. | 12:50 |
| ogra | \sh, NO | 12:51 |
| ogra | we have a policy .... | 12:51 |
| ogra | its that simple... | 12:51 |
| ogra | a release is not supposed to get updates.... | 12:51 |
| ogra | its only 6 months to the next one.... | 12:51 |
| ogra | its neither discussable nor arguable... | 12:52 |
| ogra | it is how it is | 12:52 |
| \sh | it has to be discussed...we're not talking about hundreds of "updates", we're talking about a couple of bugfixes..leaving the version, patching the break | 12:54 |
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| GheRivero | res | 01:03 |
| ajmitch | hi | 01:03 |
| ogra | \sh, no | 01:24 |
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| fwiffo | iffo | 01:27 |
| fwiffo | sorry for the noise :) | 01:27 |
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| diamond | lo folks | 03:46 |
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| tritium | hello diamond | 04:24 |
| diamond | tritium: hey. it's rather quiet around here compared to the hectic pre-release days ,-) | 04:25 |
| tritium | no kidding! But that's a good thing for me - I can really use the time to get caught up on my work. | 04:25 |
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| tritium | Sweet - I'm runnning the LiveCD on a dual G5 in the university's computer store :) | 06:49 |
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| herve | evening | 07:03 |
| tritium | hi herve | 07:03 |
| tritium | crimsun, ping | 07:04 |
| herve | hi mike, how's life? | 07:05 |
| tritium | herve: not bad, just busy. You? | 07:07 |
| herve | exhausted! | 07:07 |
| herve | but happy :-) | 07:07 |
| tritium | good :) | 07:07 |
| tritium | okay, I'll be back | 07:11 |
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| \sh | herve!! | 07:21 |
| herve | \sh!! | 07:22 |
| herve | :-) | 07:22 |
| \sh | ok..this was dinner | 07:23 |
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| crimsun | tritium: pong | 07:42 |
| tritium | crimsun, sorrry about that ;) | 07:42 |
| \sh | hmm...i will take a nap for 2 hours and then working | 07:42 |
| tritium | crimsun, something came up. Sorry I had to run... | 07:45 |
| crimsun | np | 07:45 |
| crimsun | Setting up libgtk2.0-0 (2.6.7-1ubuntu) | 07:46 |
| crimsun | hmm... | 07:46 |
| fabbione | that's ok :) | 07:50 |
| tritium | crimsun, anyway, I was in the university store, running the LiveCD on a dual G5, and was going to ask if you had experience with sound on G5s | 07:54 |
| crimsun | tritium: I don't personally, no, but I know there has been upstream activity (BenH's patches) | 07:57 |
| crimsun | tritium: for instance, the mac mini is now supported | 07:57 |
| crimsun | g5s should be supported just fine, but that will require cvs | 07:58 |
| tritium | crimsun, ah, cool. Thanks for the info. | 07:58 |
| crimsun | (fixes were committed just 8 days ago) | 07:58 |
| tritium | I knew you'd know the story ;) | 07:58 |
| crimsun | for g5s, you're most interested in the tumbler portion | 07:59 |
| crimsun | (http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/alsa/alsa-kernel/ppc/tumbler.c?rev=1.39&view=log if you want to view) | 08:00 |
| tritium | Thanks a bunch! | 08:00 |
| crimsun | np | 08:00 |
| crimsun | back later, more work | 08:02 |
| tritium | take care | 08:03 |
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| GheRivero | res | 11:45 |
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