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\shok...last cigarette and then sleeping time12:02
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tritiumhi crimsun02:57
crimsunhi tritium, how're things?02:58
tritiumcrimsun, not bad, you?02:58
tritiumcrimsun, do you by chance have python-scipy installed on your machine?03:00
tritiumI'm getting tons of segfaults and other errors doing even the simplest plotting.03:00
crimsuntritium: no, I don't, I've seen a couple posts on u-u about it and will look03:02
tritiumI'll search for those...03:02
tritiumeven walking through a simple exam from http://www.scipy.org/documentation/plottutorial.html fails03:03
tritiumexample, that is03:03
crimsunok, I'll look at it later when I have access again to a Breezy machine03:31
crimsunthis machine running the livecd doesn't have very much RAM03:31
tritiumcrimsun, thanks03:32
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aisiposAnyone here able to hear a bug report about installing kdelibs-data (which has had a security update)?08:08
aisipossudo apt-get install kdelibs-data08:09
aisiposResults in (partly snipped):08:09
aisiposUnpacking replacement kdelibs-data ...08:09
aisiposdpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4%3a3.4.0-0ubuntu3.1_all.deb (--unpack):08:09
aisipos trying to overwrite `/usr/share/icons/default.kde', which is also in package knetworkconf08:09
\shaisipos: malone08:10
aisiposok08:10
\shmuch more interessting is this: http://spaces.msn.com/ compare everything with http://www.ubuntulinux.com/08:11
aisiposThe component to file against would be kdelibs, not kdelibs-data, correct?08:12
\shsource: kdelibs binary: kdelibs-data08:12
\shbut check first for an already existing bug pls :)08:14
aisiposok. :)08:14
aisiposI'm not sure the "search" feature in Malone works properly...08:15
\shwell list all the bugs from the ubuntu project...there are not much, and kdelibs update is new ;)08:15
aisiposIn fact I'm reasonably certain it doesn't work at all... :)08:15
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aisiposDidn't see anything about kdelibs, so I'll file a new one.08:18
aisiposOk, bug filed here: https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/bugs/46208:21
aisiposIs there any way I can force this to install in the meantime?08:21
\sh--force-yes08:22
\shapt-et install --force-yes kdelibs-data08:23
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aisipossh: that command gives me the same error as before. Do I need to use dpkg directly somehow to fix this?08:24
\shtry it08:25
\shI'm leaving it right now...08:25
aisiposI got it to install with:08:28
aisipossudo dpkg --force-overwrite -i /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4%3a3.4.0-0ubuntu3.1_all.deb08:29
aisiposI supposed I could have used --force-overwrite from apt-get, but I don't know.08:29
crimsunno, you did it correctly08:29
aisiposBut at least the red update ! in my tray is gone. :)08:30
aisiposThanks for all the help.08:30
ajmitchsigh, I hate losing things only a few hours before travelling :)08:47
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=== ajmitch waves to ogra
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ogra:)12:28
ajmitchhow's it going over there?12:29
ogratired... we were swimming.... and i'm just not trained for such things....12:30
ajmitchheh12:30
ajmitchstill warm there?12:30
ograajmitch, sure12:33
ajmitchgood12:33
ograand sunny like hell12:34
ajmitch:)12:34
=== ajmitch will remember to pack a light shirt then
ograajmitch, i bet you wont see much of sydney anyway... and the temperature will depend on the aircondition of the hotel.... this conference is heavy packed (compared to the last one)12:36
ajmitchyeah..12:36
ajmitchah well12:36
ajmitcha little bit of insanity is good12:37
ograits a bit sad that not even one day is lanned for going out together.... last time mark put this in the schedule12:37
ajmitchI guess they were just too squeezed for time, with only 1 week12:37
ograyeah... thats what i mean.... making it 10 days and having one relaxation day and one hack day in the schedule would have been nicer... but well12:38
ajmitchare there any hack days at all?12:39
ajmitchor is it all BOFs?12:39
ograall BOFs12:39
ograno hacking time planned....12:39
ajmitchthat's a shame12:39
ajmitchpeople will be too tired to do much at night12:39
Treenaksogra: that needs to be fixed for the next ubuntu conf12:39
\shhmmm12:40
\shwho is responsible for bugfixing hoary right now?12:40
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ograTreenaks, then convince mark... he made the new schedule.... nobody is happy with the parting of the BOFs in four pieces either12:40
\shmalin == mutant thunafish12:41
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\sh;)12:41
Treenaksogra: /next/ ubuntu conf... I'm not on udu12:41
ogra\sh, only security fixes go in...12:41
ograTreenaks, i'm not sure if it will change for the next conf12:41
\shogra: I know :) but this should be a thing to change...cause functionality breaks should also be fixed12:41
ogra\sh, nope...12:41
ogra\sh, they have to be worked around....12:42
ogra\sh, only major dataloss or security fixes...12:42
\shogra: k3b as an example...vcdimage 0.7.20 has a bug...that's the reason why you can't create or burn any vcds with k3b...bug is fixed in 0.7.21 (already in sid, synced to breezy in a couple of days)...so the only thing you can do, backport bugfix from 0.7.21 to 0.7.20 or add a patch to k3bs vcdimager call12:44
\shogra: this should be covered as well...12:44
ogra\sh, nope...12:44
ograajmitch, http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDownUnder/BOFs/UbuntuDownUnderSchedule12:45
ajmitchyeah, I was reading it12:45
ograpretty packed12:45
ajmitchI've got to check how many there are where I have to bilocate ;)12:45
ajmitchare you leading the universe or other BOFs?12:46
\shogra: give me a reason why not :)12:47
\shit doesn't add more functionality, nor breaks anything12:47
ograit drags away developer time12:47
ajmitch\sh: because we don't control what goes into hoary now ;)12:47
ograit drags away ftp masters time12:47
ajmitchand you'd have to get someone to review those changes, etc12:48
ograyou cant guarantee it doesnt brak something else without wide testing... so it drags away testers time from breezy...12:48
ograetc12:48
\shogra: so, we should establish a "post release test enviroment for security and repair-functionality updates"12:49
ajmitchno matter how sure you are that it is fixed, you probably don't have access to other architectures to check that12:49
\shajmitch: that's the reason why, there must be a qa for something like this..12:50
ogra\sh, NO12:51
ograwe have a policy ....12:51
ograits that simple...12:51
ograa release is not supposed to get updates....12:51
ograits only 6 months to the next one....12:51
ograits neither discussable nor arguable...12:52
ograit is how it is12:52
\shit has to be discussed...we're not talking about hundreds of "updates", we're talking about a couple of bugfixes..leaving the version, patching the break12:54
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GheRiverores01:03
ajmitchhi01:03
ogra\sh, no01:24
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fwiffoiffo01:27
fwiffosorry for the noise :)01:27
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diamondlo folks03:46
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tritiumhello diamond04:24
diamondtritium: hey. it's rather quiet around here compared to the hectic pre-release days ,-)04:25
tritiumno kidding!  But that's a good thing for me - I can really use the time to get caught up on my work.04:25
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tritiumSweet - I'm runnning the LiveCD on a dual G5 in the university's computer store :)06:49
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herveevening07:03
tritiumhi herve07:03
tritiumcrimsun, ping07:04
hervehi mike, how's life?07:05
tritiumherve: not bad, just busy.  You?07:07
herveexhausted!07:07
hervebut happy :-)07:07
tritiumgood :)07:07
tritiumokay, I'll be back07:11
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\shherve!!07:21
herve\sh!!07:22
herve:-)07:22
\shok..this was dinner07:23
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crimsuntritium: pong07:42
tritiumcrimsun, sorrry about that ;)07:42
\shhmm...i will take a nap for 2 hours and then working07:42
tritiumcrimsun, something came up.  Sorry I had to run...07:45
crimsunnp07:45
crimsunSetting up libgtk2.0-0 (2.6.7-1ubuntu)07:46
crimsunhmm...07:46
fabbionethat's ok :)07:50
tritiumcrimsun, anyway, I was in the university store, running the LiveCD on a dual G5, and was going to ask if you had experience with sound on G5s07:54
crimsuntritium: I don't personally, no, but I know there has been upstream activity (BenH's patches)07:57
crimsuntritium: for instance, the mac mini is now supported07:57
crimsung5s should be supported just fine, but that will require cvs07:58
tritiumcrimsun, ah, cool.  Thanks for the info.07:58
crimsun(fixes were committed just 8 days ago)07:58
tritiumI knew you'd know the story ;)07:58
crimsunfor g5s, you're most interested in the tumbler portion07:59
crimsun(http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/alsa/alsa-kernel/ppc/tumbler.c?rev=1.39&view=log  if you want to view)08:00
tritiumThanks a bunch!08:00
crimsunnp08:00
crimsunback later, more work08:02
tritiumtake care08:03
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