[12:02] <\sh> ok...last cigarette and then sleeping time === matth is now known as dopey === djm62 [~djm62@82-40-60-28.cable.ubr08.uddi.blueyonder.co.uk] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === susus [~sz@p5089D4E0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tritium [~mrimbert@12-202-90-180.client.insightBB.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:57] hi crimsun [02:58] hi tritium, how're things? [02:58] crimsun, not bad, you? [03:00] crimsun, do you by chance have python-scipy installed on your machine? [03:00] I'm getting tons of segfaults and other errors doing even the simplest plotting. [03:02] tritium: no, I don't, I've seen a couple posts on u-u about it and will look [03:02] I'll search for those... [03:03] even walking through a simple exam from http://www.scipy.org/documentation/plottutorial.html fails [03:03] example, that is [03:31] ok, I'll look at it later when I have access again to a Breezy machine [03:31] this machine running the livecd doesn't have very much RAM [03:32] crimsun, thanks === jaldhar [~jaldhar@pcp09354467pcs.jersyc01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === desplesda [~desplesda@dvpp-p-144-134-97-106.prem.tmns.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === moyogo [~moyogo@69.156.166.86] has joined #ubuntu-motu === aisipos [~anton@dsl081-081-225.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:08] Anyone here able to hear a bug report about installing kdelibs-data (which has had a security update)? [08:09] sudo apt-get install kdelibs-data [08:09] Results in (partly snipped): [08:09] Unpacking replacement kdelibs-data ... [08:09] dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4%3a3.4.0-0ubuntu3.1_all.deb (--unpack): [08:09] trying to overwrite `/usr/share/icons/default.kde', which is also in package knetworkconf [08:10] <\sh> aisipos: malone [08:10] ok [08:11] <\sh> much more interessting is this: http://spaces.msn.com/ compare everything with http://www.ubuntulinux.com/ [08:12] The component to file against would be kdelibs, not kdelibs-data, correct? [08:12] <\sh> source: kdelibs binary: kdelibs-data [08:14] <\sh> but check first for an already existing bug pls :) [08:14] ok. :) [08:15] I'm not sure the "search" feature in Malone works properly... [08:15] <\sh> well list all the bugs from the ubuntu project...there are not much, and kdelibs update is new ;) [08:15] In fact I'm reasonably certain it doesn't work at all... :) === Seveas [~seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:18] Didn't see anything about kdelibs, so I'll file a new one. [08:21] Ok, bug filed here: https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/bugs/462 [08:21] Is there any way I can force this to install in the meantime? [08:22] <\sh> --force-yes [08:23] <\sh> apt-et install --force-yes kdelibs-data === StoneTable [stone@dhcp65-74-193-86.sdn.det.wayport.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:24] sh: that command gives me the same error as before. Do I need to use dpkg directly somehow to fix this? [08:25] <\sh> try it [08:25] <\sh> I'm leaving it right now... [08:28] I got it to install with: [08:29] sudo dpkg --force-overwrite -i /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4%3a3.4.0-0ubuntu3.1_all.deb [08:29] I supposed I could have used --force-overwrite from apt-get, but I don't know. [08:29] no, you did it correctly [08:30] But at least the red update ! in my tray is gone. :) [08:30] Thanks for all the help. [08:47] sigh, I hate losing things only a few hours before travelling :) === womble [~mpalmer@150.203.247.9] has joined #ubuntu-motu === spacey [~spacey@145.33.144.128] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Gervystar [~gervystar@62.94.208.119] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Seveas [~seveas@dyn127.roaming.few.vu.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === herzi [~herzi@c153066.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === spacey_ki [~spacey@145.33.144.128] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra [~ogra@CPE-60-225-18-37.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ajmitch waves to ogra === ogra waves back... [12:28] :) [12:29] how's it going over there? [12:30] tired... we were swimming.... and i'm just not trained for such things.... [12:30] heh [12:30] still warm there? [12:33] ajmitch, sure [12:33] good [12:34] and sunny like hell [12:34] :) === ajmitch will remember to pack a light shirt then [12:36] ajmitch, i bet you wont see much of sydney anyway... and the temperature will depend on the aircondition of the hotel.... this conference is heavy packed (compared to the last one) [12:36] yeah.. [12:36] ah well [12:37] a little bit of insanity is good [12:37] its a bit sad that not even one day is lanned for going out together.... last time mark put this in the schedule [12:37] I guess they were just too squeezed for time, with only 1 week [12:38] yeah... thats what i mean.... making it 10 days and having one relaxation day and one hack day in the schedule would have been nicer... but well [12:39] are there any hack days at all? [12:39] or is it all BOFs? [12:39] all BOFs [12:39] no hacking time planned.... [12:39] that's a shame [12:39] people will be too tired to do much at night [12:39] ogra: that needs to be fixed for the next ubuntu conf [12:40] <\sh> hmmm [12:40] <\sh> who is responsible for bugfixing hoary right now? === ajmitch wonders what will be arranged for lunch & dinner at UDU [12:40] Treenaks, then convince mark... he made the new schedule.... nobody is happy with the parting of the BOFs in four pieces either [12:41] <\sh> malin == mutant thunafish === maskie [~maskie@196-30-108-60.uudial.uunet.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:41] <\sh> ;) [12:41] ogra: /next/ ubuntu conf... I'm not on udu [12:41] \sh, only security fixes go in... [12:41] Treenaks, i'm not sure if it will change for the next conf [12:41] <\sh> ogra: I know :) but this should be a thing to change...cause functionality breaks should also be fixed [12:41] \sh, nope... [12:42] \sh, they have to be worked around.... [12:42] \sh, only major dataloss or security fixes... [12:44] <\sh> ogra: k3b as an example...vcdimage 0.7.20 has a bug...that's the reason why you can't create or burn any vcds with k3b...bug is fixed in 0.7.21 (already in sid, synced to breezy in a couple of days)...so the only thing you can do, backport bugfix from 0.7.21 to 0.7.20 or add a patch to k3bs vcdimager call [12:44] <\sh> ogra: this should be covered as well... [12:44] \sh, nope... [12:45] ajmitch, http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDownUnder/BOFs/UbuntuDownUnderSchedule [12:45] yeah, I was reading it [12:45] pretty packed [12:45] I've got to check how many there are where I have to bilocate ;) [12:46] are you leading the universe or other BOFs? [12:47] <\sh> ogra: give me a reason why not :) [12:47] <\sh> it doesn't add more functionality, nor breaks anything [12:47] it drags away developer time [12:47] \sh: because we don't control what goes into hoary now ;) [12:47] it drags away ftp masters time [12:48] and you'd have to get someone to review those changes, etc [12:48] you cant guarantee it doesnt brak something else without wide testing... so it drags away testers time from breezy... [12:48] etc [12:49] <\sh> ogra: so, we should establish a "post release test enviroment for security and repair-functionality updates" [12:49] no matter how sure you are that it is fixed, you probably don't have access to other architectures to check that [12:50] <\sh> ajmitch: that's the reason why, there must be a qa for something like this.. [12:51] \sh, NO [12:51] we have a policy .... [12:51] its that simple... [12:51] a release is not supposed to get updates.... [12:51] its only 6 months to the next one.... [12:52] its neither discussable nor arguable... [12:52] it is how it is [12:54] <\sh> it has to be discussed...we're not talking about hundreds of "updates", we're talking about a couple of bugfixes..leaving the version, patching the break === GheRivero [~ghe@hiscpdprx01.upsa.es] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:03] res [01:03] hi [01:24] \sh, no === fwiffo [~b@cpe.atm2-0-1101155.0x503f8eca.bynxx8.customer.tele.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:27] iffo [01:27] sorry for the noise :) === motaboy [~motaboy@host158-36.pool80182.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Seveas [~seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Seveas [~seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tritium [~mrimbert@ee213-dhcp-18.ecn.purdue.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === diamond [~diamond@194.46.79.220] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:46] lo folks === rubenv [~lambda1@kotnet-148.kulnet.kuleuven.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:24] hello diamond [04:25] tritium: hey. it's rather quiet around here compared to the hectic pre-release days ,-) [04:25] no kidding! But that's a good thing for me - I can really use the time to get caught up on my work. === ogra [~ogra@CPE-60-225-18-37.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === AstralJava [e5d3559a6b@cm-217-078-207-244.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jaldhar [~jaldhar@pcp09354467pcs.jersyc01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === spacey [~spacey@flits101-191.flits.rug.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === spacey [~spacey@flits101-191.flits.rug.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === diamond flees === diamond [~diamond@194.46.79.220] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Fleeee"] === jaldhar [~jaldhar@pcp09354467pcs.jersyc01.nj.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === rubenv [~lambda1@83-134-127-9.Leuven.GoPlus.FastDSL.tiscali.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === netjoined: irc.freenode.net -> tolkien.freenode.net === Riddell [jr@muse.19inch.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Danten [~danten@h174n11c1o1049.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === sivang [~sivang@box79162.elkhouse.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tritium [~ubuntu@dyn-177-035.itap.purdue.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:49] Sweet - I'm runnning the LiveCD on a dual G5 in the university's computer store :) === herve [~hcauwelie@ip-3.net-81-220-179.nice.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:03] evening [07:03] hi herve [07:04] crimsun, ping [07:05] hi mike, how's life? [07:07] herve: not bad, just busy. You? [07:07] exhausted! [07:07] but happy :-) [07:07] good :) [07:11] okay, I'll be back === tritium [~ubuntu@dyn-177-035.itap.purdue.edu] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] === AstralJava [e5d3559a6b@cm-217-078-207-244.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [07:21] <\sh> herve!! [07:22] \sh!! [07:22] :-) [07:23] <\sh> ok..this was dinner === herve discovering the wonders of the static keyword in C... === tritium [~mrimbert@ee213-dhcp-18.ecn.purdue.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:42] tritium: pong [07:42] crimsun, sorrry about that ;) [07:42] <\sh> hmm...i will take a nap for 2 hours and then working [07:45] crimsun, something came up. Sorry I had to run... [07:45] np [07:46] Setting up libgtk2.0-0 (2.6.7-1ubuntu) [07:46] hmm... [07:50] that's ok :) [07:54] crimsun, anyway, I was in the university store, running the LiveCD on a dual G5, and was going to ask if you had experience with sound on G5s [07:57] tritium: I don't personally, no, but I know there has been upstream activity (BenH's patches) [07:57] tritium: for instance, the mac mini is now supported [07:58] g5s should be supported just fine, but that will require cvs [07:58] crimsun, ah, cool. Thanks for the info. [07:58] (fixes were committed just 8 days ago) [07:58] I knew you'd know the story ;) [07:59] for g5s, you're most interested in the tumbler portion [08:00] (http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/alsa/alsa-kernel/ppc/tumbler.c?rev=1.39&view=log if you want to view) [08:00] Thanks a bunch! [08:00] np [08:02] back later, more work [08:03] take care === herzi [~herzi@c153066.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === maskie [~maskie@196-30-108-13.uudial.uunet.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bienve [~bienve@200.88.199.174] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bienve [~bienve@200.88.199.174] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Abandonando"] === tritium [~mrimbert@ee213-dhcp-18.ecn.purdue.edu] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] === Danten [~danten@h236n10c1o1049.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === GheRivero [~ghe@81.172.90.53] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:45] res