[12:02] <\sh> ok...last cigarette and then sleeping time
[02:57] <tritium> hi crimsun
[02:58] <crimsun> hi tritium, how're things?
[02:58] <tritium> crimsun, not bad, you?
[03:00] <tritium> crimsun, do you by chance have python-scipy installed on your machine?
[03:00] <tritium> I'm getting tons of segfaults and other errors doing even the simplest plotting.
[03:02] <crimsun> tritium: no, I don't, I've seen a couple posts on u-u about it and will look
[03:02] <tritium> I'll search for those...
[03:03] <tritium> even walking through a simple exam from http://www.scipy.org/documentation/plottutorial.html fails
[03:03] <tritium> example, that is
[03:31] <crimsun> ok, I'll look at it later when I have access again to a Breezy machine
[03:31] <crimsun> this machine running the livecd doesn't have very much RAM
[03:32] <tritium> crimsun, thanks
[08:08] <aisipos> Anyone here able to hear a bug report about installing kdelibs-data (which has had a security update)?
[08:09] <aisipos> sudo apt-get install kdelibs-data
[08:09] <aisipos> Results in (partly snipped):
[08:09] <aisipos> Unpacking replacement kdelibs-data ...
[08:09] <aisipos> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4%3a3.4.0-0ubuntu3.1_all.deb (--unpack):
[08:09] <aisipos>  trying to overwrite `/usr/share/icons/default.kde', which is also in package knetworkconf
[08:10] <\sh> aisipos: malone
[08:10] <aisipos> ok
[08:11] <\sh> much more interessting is this: http://spaces.msn.com/ compare everything with http://www.ubuntulinux.com/
[08:12] <aisipos> The component to file against would be kdelibs, not kdelibs-data, correct?
[08:12] <\sh> source: kdelibs binary: kdelibs-data
[08:14] <\sh> but check first for an already existing bug pls :)
[08:14] <aisipos> ok. :)
[08:15] <aisipos> I'm not sure the "search" feature in Malone works properly...
[08:15] <\sh> well list all the bugs from the ubuntu project...there are not much, and kdelibs update is new ;)
[08:15] <aisipos> In fact I'm reasonably certain it doesn't work at all... :)
[08:18] <aisipos> Didn't see anything about kdelibs, so I'll file a new one.
[08:21] <aisipos> Ok, bug filed here: https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/bugs/462
[08:21] <aisipos> Is there any way I can force this to install in the meantime?
[08:22] <\sh> --force-yes
[08:23] <\sh> apt-et install --force-yes kdelibs-data
[08:24] <aisipos> sh: that command gives me the same error as before. Do I need to use dpkg directly somehow to fix this?
[08:25] <\sh> try it
[08:25] <\sh> I'm leaving it right now...
[08:28] <aisipos> I got it to install with:
[08:29] <aisipos> sudo dpkg --force-overwrite -i /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4%3a3.4.0-0ubuntu3.1_all.deb
[08:29] <aisipos> I supposed I could have used --force-overwrite from apt-get, but I don't know.
[08:29] <crimsun> no, you did it correctly
[08:30] <aisipos> But at least the red update ! in my tray is gone. :)
[08:30] <aisipos> Thanks for all the help.
[08:47] <ajmitch> sigh, I hate losing things only a few hours before travelling :)
[12:28] <ogra> :)
[12:29] <ajmitch> how's it going over there?
[12:30] <ogra> tired... we were swimming.... and i'm just not trained for such things....
[12:30] <ajmitch> heh
[12:30] <ajmitch> still warm there?
[12:33] <ogra> ajmitch, sure
[12:33] <ajmitch> good
[12:34] <ogra> and sunny like hell
[12:34] <ajmitch> :)
[12:36] <ogra> ajmitch, i bet you wont see much of sydney anyway... and the temperature will depend on the aircondition of the hotel.... this conference is heavy packed (compared to the last one)
[12:36] <ajmitch> yeah..
[12:36] <ajmitch> ah well
[12:37] <ajmitch> a little bit of insanity is good
[12:37] <ogra> its a bit sad that not even one day is lanned for going out together.... last time mark put this in the schedule
[12:37] <ajmitch> I guess they were just too squeezed for time, with only 1 week
[12:38] <ogra> yeah... thats what i mean.... making it 10 days and having one relaxation day and one hack day in the schedule would have been nicer... but well
[12:39] <ajmitch> are there any hack days at all?
[12:39] <ajmitch> or is it all BOFs?
[12:39] <ogra> all BOFs
[12:39] <ogra> no hacking time planned....
[12:39] <ajmitch> that's a shame
[12:39] <ajmitch> people will be too tired to do much at night
[12:39] <Treenaks> ogra: that needs to be fixed for the next ubuntu conf
[12:40] <\sh> hmmm
[12:40] <\sh> who is responsible for bugfixing hoary right now?
[12:40] <ogra> Treenaks, then convince mark... he made the new schedule.... nobody is happy with the parting of the BOFs in four pieces either
[12:41] <\sh> malin == mutant thunafish
[12:41] <\sh> ;)
[12:41] <Treenaks> ogra: /next/ ubuntu conf... I'm not on udu
[12:41] <ogra> \sh, only security fixes go in...
[12:41] <ogra> Treenaks, i'm not sure if it will change for the next conf
[12:41] <\sh> ogra: I know :) but this should be a thing to change...cause functionality breaks should also be fixed
[12:41] <ogra> \sh, nope...
[12:42] <ogra> \sh, they have to be worked around....
[12:42] <ogra> \sh, only major dataloss or security fixes...
[12:44] <\sh> ogra: k3b as an example...vcdimage 0.7.20 has a bug...that's the reason why you can't create or burn any vcds with k3b...bug is fixed in 0.7.21 (already in sid, synced to breezy in a couple of days)...so the only thing you can do, backport bugfix from 0.7.21 to 0.7.20 or add a patch to k3bs vcdimager call
[12:44] <\sh> ogra: this should be covered as well...
[12:44] <ogra> \sh, nope...
[12:45] <ogra> ajmitch, http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDownUnder/BOFs/UbuntuDownUnderSchedule
[12:45] <ajmitch> yeah, I was reading it
[12:45] <ogra> pretty packed
[12:45] <ajmitch> I've got to check how many there are where I have to bilocate ;)
[12:46] <ajmitch> are you leading the universe or other BOFs?
[12:47] <\sh> ogra: give me a reason why not :)
[12:47] <\sh> it doesn't add more functionality, nor breaks anything
[12:47] <ogra> it drags away developer time
[12:47] <ajmitch> \sh: because we don't control what goes into hoary now ;)
[12:47] <ogra> it drags away ftp masters time
[12:48] <ajmitch> and you'd have to get someone to review those changes, etc
[12:48] <ogra> you cant guarantee it doesnt brak something else without wide testing... so it drags away testers time from breezy...
[12:48] <ogra> etc
[12:49] <\sh> ogra: so, we should establish a "post release test enviroment for security and repair-functionality updates"
[12:49] <ajmitch> no matter how sure you are that it is fixed, you probably don't have access to other architectures to check that
[12:50] <\sh> ajmitch: that's the reason why, there must be a qa for something like this..
[12:51] <ogra> \sh, NO
[12:51] <ogra> we have a policy ....
[12:51] <ogra> its that simple...
[12:51] <ogra> a release is not supposed to get updates....
[12:51] <ogra> its only 6 months to the next one....
[12:52] <ogra> its neither discussable nor arguable...
[12:52] <ogra> it is how it is
[12:54] <\sh> it has to be discussed...we're not talking about hundreds of "updates", we're talking about a couple of bugfixes..leaving the version, patching the break
[01:03] <GheRivero> res
[01:03] <ajmitch> hi
[01:24] <ogra> \sh, no
[01:27] <fwiffo> iffo
[01:27] <fwiffo> sorry for the noise :)
[03:46] <diamond> lo folks
[04:24] <tritium> hello diamond
[04:25] <diamond> tritium: hey. it's rather quiet around here compared to the hectic pre-release days ,-)
[04:25] <tritium> no kidding!  But that's a good thing for me - I can really use the time to get caught up on my work.
[06:49] <tritium> Sweet - I'm runnning the LiveCD on a dual G5 in the university's computer store :)
[07:03] <herve> evening
[07:03] <tritium> hi herve
[07:04] <tritium> crimsun, ping
[07:05] <herve> hi mike, how's life?
[07:07] <tritium> herve: not bad, just busy.  You?
[07:07] <herve> exhausted!
[07:07] <herve> but happy :-)
[07:07] <tritium> good :)
[07:11] <tritium> okay, I'll be back
[07:21] <\sh> herve!!
[07:22] <herve> \sh!!
[07:22] <herve> :-)
[07:23] <\sh> ok..this was dinner
[07:42] <crimsun> tritium: pong
[07:42] <tritium> crimsun, sorrry about that ;)
[07:42] <\sh> hmm...i will take a nap for 2 hours and then working
[07:45] <tritium> crimsun, something came up.  Sorry I had to run...
[07:45] <crimsun> np
[07:46] <crimsun> Setting up libgtk2.0-0 (2.6.7-1ubuntu)
[07:46] <crimsun> hmm...
[07:50] <fabbione> that's ok :)
[07:54] <tritium> crimsun, anyway, I was in the university store, running the LiveCD on a dual G5, and was going to ask if you had experience with sound on G5s
[07:57] <crimsun> tritium: I don't personally, no, but I know there has been upstream activity (BenH's patches)
[07:57] <crimsun> tritium: for instance, the mac mini is now supported
[07:58] <crimsun> g5s should be supported just fine, but that will require cvs
[07:58] <tritium> crimsun, ah, cool.  Thanks for the info.
[07:58] <crimsun> (fixes were committed just 8 days ago)
[07:58] <tritium> I knew you'd know the story ;)
[07:59] <crimsun> for g5s, you're most interested in the tumbler portion
[08:00] <crimsun> (http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/alsa/alsa-kernel/ppc/tumbler.c?rev=1.39&view=log  if you want to view)
[08:00] <tritium> Thanks a bunch!
[08:00] <crimsun> np
[08:02] <crimsun> back later, more work
[08:03] <tritium> take care
[11:45] <GheRivero> res