[12:00] <kakalto> who was I just talking to?
[12:00] <Elsidox> synd, i could go find it
[12:00] <melodie> tidalwav1: wh
[12:00] <melodie> what dual-boot pb ?
[12:01] <XplOzIOn2> is normal to not see a mplayer controler? i mean when i double click a video it opens mplayer and plays it, but i want it on full screen but i aint able to see options
[12:01] <bpuccio> has anyone here heard of GreenZap before? (http://greenzap.com/)
[12:01] <synd> Elsidox: i cant find it..
[12:02] <Elsidox> synd, i told youd id look for it lol
[12:02] <Elsidox> synd, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=26567&highlight=sound+alsa
[12:02] <mattgirv> Hey I have a Parallel Zip Drive, what would it be.. it isn't /dev/sda? :(
[12:03] <kakalto> whoever I was talking to about the gtk-qt thing, could ya query me again?
[12:04] <synd> Elsidox: thanks!
[12:04] <Elsidox> synd, np
[12:05] <slappy16> its quiet
[12:06] <XTCboarder> hi!
[12:06] <nickrud> hp printers suck
[12:06] <slappy16> all printers suck
[12:06] <nickrud> or at least the psc's
[12:06] <slappy16> i hate printers
[12:07] <synd> epsons are great
[12:07] <XTCboarder> i luv'em
[12:07] <melodie> lol
[12:07] <mattgirv> please helppp :(
[12:07] <mattgirv> Hey I have a Parallel Zip Drive, what would it be.. it isn't /dev/sda? :(
[12:07] <nickrud> hi, slappy16
[12:07] <slappy16> i havent owned a printer in i dont know how many years now..but lets just say my last one was a dotmatrix
[12:07] <Bazzi> I hate printers aswell.
[12:07] <slappy16> hi nickrud!
[12:07] <Bazzi> I'd like to throw all of um out of the window!
[12:07] <nickrud> I do like my brother hl5140, though
[12:07] <nickrud> hpoj sucks
[12:07] <slappy16> i print to file
[12:07] <nickrud> hplip sucks
[12:07] <slappy16> cups or lpr?
[12:08] <nickrud> cups, I've always used it, it works, but I want :631!
[12:08] <slappy16> thank bog stern has archives on newsgroups
[12:08] <slappy16> 631 isnt up?
[12:08] <hybrid> any updates on when breezy will be ready?
[12:08] <kakalto> is there anything wrong with cups?
[12:08] <FlyingSquirrel32> Any idea how to send an Alt+Ctrl+Del in Term. Serv. Client?
[12:09] <nickrud> ubuntu modified the source, locked it out (whatever the smiley is for intense anger)
[12:09] <kakalto> hybrid, for release? October for testing? now
[12:09] <foolip> Fleebailey33, won't "sudo restart" do?
[12:09] <hybrid> kakalto: so i can finally change me sources.list?
[12:09] <hybrid> wo0t wo0t
[12:09] <slappy16> w00t!
[12:09] <kakalto> hybrid, sure
[12:09] <synd> bah that
[12:10] <melodie> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters
[12:11] <melodie>  HP
[12:11] <melodie> 
[12:11] <melodie> PSC 11xx and 12xx series
[12:11] <melodie> 
[12:11] <melodie> hpijs
[12:11] <melodie> 
[12:11] <slappy16> so in sources you guys cant say unstable?
[12:11] <melodie> Yes
[12:11] <melodie> 
[12:11] <melodie> Yes
[12:11] <melodie> 
[12:11] <melodie> No special installation required
[12:11] <slappy16> err
[12:11] <melodie> and it does not work  :s
[12:11] <slappy16> flood
[12:11] <djm62> :)
[12:11] <melodie> ;)
[12:11] <mello> my Epson Stylus Color 777 worked great when i told hoary i had one
[12:11] <nickrud> melodie, I just spent the last 2 hours getting 'my' 1210 working
[12:11] <XTCboarder> xD
[12:12] <djm62> where the wiki and a real computer conflict....must be a computer problem ;)
[12:12] <XTCboarder> i have a bjc1000 not connected :p
[12:12] <hybrid> do i apt-get dist-upgrade or apt-get update first
[12:12] <melodie> nickrud: did you succeed ?
[12:12] <nickrud> anyone wanna donate a good color laser to a reputable non-profit :)
[12:12] <nickrud> melodie, yea, finally
[12:13] <melodie> how did you do that ?
[12:13] <melodie> I've got the same
[12:13] <kakalto> is it possible to edit the ubuntu wiki?
[12:13] <kakalto> to add something?
[12:13] <hybrid> yes
[12:13] <djm62> kakalto: you need to join up
[12:13] <hybrid> kakalto: isnt that the idea of a wiki?
[12:13] <djm62> kakalto: for free, and with no evil
[12:14] <nickrud> I reinstalled hpijs, foomatic-db-hpijs, foomatic-filters, cups, and something else that escapes me at the moment
[12:14] <melodie> nickrud: I've got this error:
[12:14] <melodie>  Missing asterisk in column 1 at 1:'/usr/share/ppd/HP/HP-PSC_1210-hpijs.ppd.gz'
[12:14] <swb> hello all
[12:14] <melodie> what's about ?
[12:14] <hybrid> hi
[12:14] <nickrud> lol
[12:14] <melodie> hello swb
[12:14] <kakalto> djm62, ah sign-up
[12:14] <kakalto> that's a better idea than wikipedia's anyone edirt
[12:14] <kakalto> *edit
[12:15] <swb> anyone else had any problems getting hardware acceleration going for ATI Radeon 9250s or similar?
[12:15] <djm62> kakalto: ah, yeah...damn wossname...aphasia ;)
[12:15] <nickrud> melodie, sorry, not laughing at you, but the situation :)
[12:15] <kakalto> :D
[12:15] <melodie> I know I think
[12:15] <swb> aimaz, :P
[12:16] <kakalto> is kde's menu in an xml file?
[12:16] <melodie> just I'm helping for a documentation and I'd like to find out for the message error
[12:16] <nickrud> try sudo apt-get install --reinstall cupsys hpijs foomatic-db-hpijs
[12:16] <swb> can anyone help getting an ATI Radeon working with hardware acceleration
[12:16] <nickrud> foomatic-filters
[12:16] <melodie> nickrud: ok I'll try that :)
[12:17] <melodie> and see anyhow in bug reports site
[12:17] <nickrud> foomatic-db foomatic-db-engine
[12:17] <nickrud> and cross your fingers
[12:17] <melodie> lol!
[12:17] <spo0nman> cafuego, im using it on my laptop right now...
[12:18] <XplOzIon> problem!.. mplayer wont play in fullscreen
[12:18] <nickrud> kakalto, did you ever get your oggs to mp3s
[12:18] <kakalto> nickrud, nope
[12:18] <kakalto> I got over it
[12:19] <t3rror> can anyone suggest a decent linux solution to be a backup server for windows machines?
[12:19] <nickrud> :)
[12:19] <XplOzIon> mplayer doesnt strech movie screen size to full screen, it fill that space with "black"
[12:19] <kakalto> but... windows has a program that does it, linux I couldn't get it working :(
[12:19] <spo0nman> XplOzIon, -fs -zoom
[12:19] <kakalto> !
[12:19] <kakalto> Idea
[12:19] <spo0nman> XplOzIon, want to do a  -framedrop too maybe...
[12:19] <kakalto> I could try to wine teh win program for converting ogg 2 mp3
[12:19] <EvilSporkMan> spo0nman: you're kidding! I thought that was because of nondebian packages!
[12:19] <nickrud> wine is evil :)
[12:20] <EvilSporkMan> kakalto: or you could just pipe the output of oggdec into lame
[12:20] <spo0nman> EvilSporkMan, what are you talking about?
[12:20] <EvilSporkMan> spo0nman: mplayer fullscreen
[12:20] <claint> hi. how can i find out which package a program/file belongs to?
[12:20] <smo> recoding mp3 to ogg is a bad idea.  Going from one lossy format to another lossy format just looses more fidelity.  Either re-encode from the original source, or stick with what you've got
[12:20] <kakalto> EvilSporkMan, I tried lots of things to do with oggdec and lame, and they didn't seem to work
[12:20] <XplOzIon> spo0nman, where i do add that?
[12:20] <smo> claint: dpkg -S /path/to/file
[12:20] <EvilSporkMan> kakalto: man oggdec, man lame is all i have to say
[12:20] <foolip> transcoding is bad, mkay
[12:21] <spo0nman> EvilSporkMan, i never used any kind of debian/nondebian/marlyn non marlyn packages i compile my own.
[12:21] <t3rror> no takers on a backup solution?
[12:21] <EvilSporkMan> and yes, transcoding is bad
[12:21] <kakalto> smo, no.
[12:21] <spo0nman> EvilSporkMan, and -fs -zoom works for me
[12:21] <mishof> Q: what app can i use to make an audio cd into mp3s?
[12:21] <kakalto> smo, I can't stick with what I have
[12:21] <claint> thanks smo
[12:21] <kakalto> smo, my mp3 player doesn't support ogg
[12:21] <EvilSporkMan> spo0nman: yeah, i didn't realize mplayer had that option
[12:21] <foolip> mishof, grip is nice
[12:21] <EvilSporkMan> kakalto: should've got an OGG player =P perhaps a nice GP32?
[12:21] <nickrud> XplOzIon, I needed to modify ./etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf for vo=xv
[12:21] <kakalto> EvilSporkMan, true :P
[12:21] <EvilSporkMan> how's ubuntu-amd64?
[12:22] <foolip> kakalto, have you gotten oggdec to output some niceness?
[12:22] <mishof> foolip, thanks ill try it
[12:22] <XplOzIon> nickrud, that way it plays in full screen?
[12:22] <spo0nman> EvilSporkMan, best part is I associate media files as gmplayer -fs -zoom  in natulius and my girlfriend can play all the movies she likes....
[12:22] <kakalto> foolip, nope, and I can't really be bothered messing with it right now
[12:22] <nickrud> you can even risize the window with the mouse
[12:22] <foolip> kakalto, you *did* want to transcode vorbis to mp3, right?
[12:23] <nickrud> when you hit full screen, it'll zoom
[12:23] <kakalto> foolip, yup
[12:23] <spo0nman> XplOzIon, when you are running mplayer pass it as command line option ... also do a man mplayer
[12:23] <XplOzIon> nickrud, thats the problem it doesnt zoom the video
[12:24] <kakalto> foolip, I might mess with it later. Or possibly just brew up an anti-mp3 argument in my head...
[12:24] <spo0nman> is gaim-vv in the universe?
[12:24] <spo0nman> zilch
[12:24] <kakalto> perhaps I'll complain to the makers of my mp3 player
[12:24] <EvilSporkMan> kakalto: ogg needs more computing power than MP3
[12:24] <kakalto> complain they support mp3 & wma not ogg
[12:25] <kakalto> ah
[12:25] <kakalto> that makes teh sense
[12:25] <nickrud> the xv option does for me
[12:25] <SeamusLP> spo0nman:  Congratulations! come on down, come on down.  You're the lucky person who gets to make a package for the greater good of all!
[12:26] <spo0nman> SeamusLP, :)
[12:26] <spo0nman> SeamusLP, i have never read the debian package maintainer's guide
[12:26] <djm62> what is a good ogg player?
[12:26] <EvilSporkMan> SeamusLP spo0nman : here's your package: ./configure --prefix=/usr && make && sudo make install
[12:26] <djm62> 4G plus
[12:27] <resiak> djm62: ogg123, cplay, mpd, rhythmbox, xmms, noatun, juk
[12:27] <SeamusLP> EvlSporkMan:  That's not quite for the greater good of all, now is it?
[12:27] <nickrud> he could always do a checkinstall, and submit that :)
[12:27] <djm62> resiak: not that side...no dearth of them: hard disk protable
[12:27] <EvilSporkMan> SeamusLP: sure it is - it saves all of us the headache of making a package
[12:27] <mcquillg> Can someone recommend a decent editor that will connect via ssh/sftp to edit files in Universe?
[12:27] <nickrud> mcquillg, emacs, vim, nano
[12:27] <SeamusLP> EvilSporkMan:  Well I say you're killing two birds with one stone by encouraging him to make a package himself ;)
[12:27] <spo0nman> SeamusLP, ok honestly tell me how much time will it take? and is there a simple deb that i can untar change and retar to make a package?
[12:27] <EvilSporkMan> SeamusLP: though honestly...i'll package it for amd64 right after spo0nman comes up with i386 =P
[12:28] <resiak> djm62: Either the iRiver ones, or the Rio Karma.
[12:28] <resiak> djm62: Those are the only ones.
[12:28] <EvilSporkMan> spo0nman: the problem is that you get to maintain the package as new versions of gaim-vv come out
[12:28] <mcquillg> Yay Karma.
[12:28] <djm62> damn...are iRiver nice?
[12:28] <SDr> hm
[12:29] <SeamusLP> spo0nman:  I've made a simple pkg from source before.  Nothing too complicated.  There are guides out there, though.
[12:29] <resiak> djm62: I want an iRiver, since they just use usb-storage to transfer stuff. Rio Karma uses a Java applet :|
[12:29] <djm62> mcquillg: I just opened a remote sftp file in gedit...if you have the server in "Places" it's a double click
[12:29] <SDr> I don't have any cd drives, nor any floppy drives; is there a way to install ubuntu w/out emulating another pc?
[12:29] <pixil9> SDr: Install it with knoppix live cd.
[12:30] <SeamusLP> spo0nman:  I have yet to come across something that needs packaging that isn't maintained by someone else, though.
[12:30] <pixil9> sorry i didn't read
[12:30] <SeamusLP> spo0nman:  That I need I mean ;)
[12:30] <SDr> pixil9, as I pointed out, I don't have any cdroms.
[12:30] <djm62> resiak: I'm not ideological about it, but all my CDs are ripped to ogg...almost as bad as AAC :-/
[12:30] <pixil9> SDr: You can do a net install of debian-sarge.. upgrade to sid then upgrade to hoary
[12:30] <spo0nman> SeamusLP, show me a guide. or some link on ubuntu-devel
[12:30] <pixil9> though it worked for some ppl.. failed for me
[12:30] <EvilSporkMan> djm62: what's wrong with OGG? I rip in all OGG because it's not patented
[12:31] <djm62> EvilSporkMan: nothing's wrong with it, but try getting the consumer portables :(
[12:31] <SeamusLP> spo0nman:  Do a wiki search.  http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org  I'm sure I saw one there
[12:31] <EvilSporkMan> djm62: i have a GP32
[12:31] <pixil9> SDr: Does it have a nic?
[12:31] <EvilSporkMan> djm62: i suppose you could get 32 memory cards...
[12:31] <SDr> pixil9, nope.
[12:31] <pixil9> lol.
[12:31] <SeamusLP> dmj62:  I rip in nothing but ogg.  If I wanted to I could get a portable ogg player as well.  That's good enough for me.
[12:31] <mishof> Q: the xorg configuration file that is used is located at /etc/X11/xorg.conf ? (i know its there, but wanna know if thats the one used by ubuntu ..)
[12:31] <resiak> djm62: I'll probably be getting an iRiver soon.
[12:31] <pixil9> Are you going to handtype ubuntu onto it?
[12:32] <mjr> mishof, in Hoary, yes
[12:32] <djm62> I meant...if I wanted to play iTunes files, I'd need an iPod, if I want to play ogg, perversely, I don't have much more choice
[12:32] <mishof> aight thanks :)
[12:32] <pixil9> Would anyone be able to tell me why a script i put in /etc/init.d with +x won't run on bootup?
[12:32] <pixil9> I can run it fine manually
[12:33] <mjr> pixil9, it's not supposed to
[12:33] <smo> pixil9: You've linked it to the appropriate /etc/rc?.d  ?
[12:33] <nickrud-away> pixil9, man update-rc.d
[12:33] <pixil9> oh I didn't know I had to do that
[12:33] <mjr> pixil9, the links in rc?.d control what's actually run and when
[12:34] <mishof> Where can i find information about xorg.conf that hoari uses ? im afraid the guide im reading might use some xorg.conf syntax that is outdated ..
[12:35] <mishof> nvm
[12:36] <nickrud> mishof, you could try http://x.org :)
[12:39] <pixil9> Which runlevel would I want to add it to.. it just runs ln -s /dev/radio0 /dev/radio
[12:39] <pixil9> i did update-rc.d radio defaults and it added it to all of the sections
[12:40] <nickrud> pixil9, that's exactly how it's supposed to do it :)
[12:40] <mishof> Can someone guide me (or link me to a guide) on howto patch the kernel (hoary, 2.6.10) with a diff file ? its REALLY important to me ...
[12:40] <pixil9> o.
[12:40] <FlyingSquirrel32> How do I search recursivly for a file
[12:40] <resiak> FlyingSquirrel32: man find
[12:40] <pixil9> I don't get it. Do you know any docs that explain why that is?
[12:41] <resiak> mishof: What you want to patch in?
[12:41] <mink> is there a file(shellscript) that is executed on startup?
[12:41] <nickrud> 2,3,4,5 are all identical.  I once, as a lark, set up my runlevels so that 2 was my desktop
[12:42] <mishof> resiak, support for my tablet driver (http://perso.wanadoo.fr/septieme/acecad/kernel.html)
[12:42] <nickrud> 3 was a server http/ntp/apache sever, and 4 an mldonkey server
[12:42] <resiak> mishof: *shrug* tldp might help
[12:42] <nickrud> talking about this is kinda frowned about in ubuntu, tho :)
[12:43] <SeamusLP> Amaranth:  I think that bittorrent 4.0 doesn't allow more than 3 simultaneous connections.  Perhaps this should be changed?
[12:43] <mishof> resiak, tldp ??
[12:43] <FlyingSquirrel32> resiak: I've been fighting with that for a while.
[12:43] <Amaranth> SeamusLP: It doesn't?
[12:43] <Frederick> Hi folks can anyone help me to set a safe fstab config?
[12:43] <Amaranth> I could have sworn I had all 5 or so episodes of the scene downloading at once.
[12:43] <FlyingSquirrel32> resiak: like this $find -depth 5 path filename
[12:43] <resiak> mishof: tldp.org
[12:43] <SeamusLP> Amaranth:  Not connections, torrents I meant
[12:43] <SeamusLP> Amaranth:  Check the FAQ out
[12:43] <pixil9> SeamusLP, maybe you should get rid of the piece of shit and install Azureus.
[12:43] <resiak> FlyingSquirrel32: That's not how you use it. man find .
[12:43] <resiak> FlyingSquirrel32: Look at the -name option
[12:44] <resiak> FlyingSquirrel32: find path -depth 5 -name filename
[12:44] <SeamusLP> pixil9:  Azureus is a bloated java program, and it looks like shit.
[12:44] <Frederick> Hi folks can anyone help me to set a safe fstab config? I have it here http://rafb.net/paste/results/1XqIVP64.html
[12:44] <FlyingSquirrel32> resiak: Oh, I wasn't sure where to put the option, thanks.
[12:44] <Frederick> I want my user to listen mp3 from the fat
[12:44] <mishof> resiak, but im looking for something specific to ubuntu ... otherwise it might differ ..
[12:45] <Amaranth> SeamusLP: "For this reason, BitTorrent allows up to three simulataneous torrents, however, running BitTorrent this way all the time is not recommended and will likely hurt BitTorrent's overall performance."
[12:45] <Amaranth> SeamusLP: I'll look into it.
[12:45] <resiak> mishof: http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html # I assume that Ubuntu use kernel-package
[12:45] <a_peck> how do I change my preferred media player to totem? mplayer is bugging with divx encoding
[12:45] <Amaranth> resiak: You can use it, yes.
[12:45] <SeamusLP> Amaranth:  I may go digging through the code in a sec.  It may just be implemented as a constant.
[12:45] <djm62> Frederick: should be vfat
[12:45] <pixil9> LOL
[12:45] <pixil9> Azureus is the best torrent client out there.
[12:45] <Frederick> djm62, thx
[12:46] <Amaranth> SeamusLP: I'll do it when I change the resize stuff.
[12:46] <pixil9> Have fun using the one window one downloading at 10 kB/s
[12:46] <mishof> resiak, looks good, ill try it
[12:46] <pixil9> hahahaha.
[12:47] <djm62> Frederick: also, in the options column you'll want user,rw
[12:47] <SeamusLP> pixil9:  Flame flame flame, whatever.
[12:47] <Frederick> djm62, added
[12:47] <flames> hi
[12:47] <djm62> Frederick: or possibly ro (but it's handy to be able to transfer files occasionally)
[12:47] <FlyingSquirrel32> resiak: This still isn't working :/        find /home/user/.wine -depth 5 -name winecfg  --> find: paths must precede expression
[12:48] <Frederick> djm62, do you know a good doc about it? I know my cdrom line e also wrong
[12:48] <sebest> hello anyone sync his phone with evolution?
[12:48] <Amaranth> SeamusLP: In the config set advanced to true.
[12:48] <pr3vi0uz>  how do u install  a deb file?
[12:48] <Amaranth> SeamusLP: That'll make it resizeable at least.
[12:48] <sebest> i'd like to buy a phone well support under linux, any advice?
[12:48] <] BreliC[> pr3vi0uz, dpkg -i filename.deb
[12:48] <resiak> FlyingSquirrel32: Then I'm baffled -- find still scares me:)
[12:48] <djm62> Frederick: why did you change the cdrom line?
[12:49] <Frederick> djm62, I havent changed yet
[12:49] <FlyingSquirrel32> Anyone understand "Find" here?
[12:49] <nickrud> lol
[12:49] <] BreliC[> resiak, don't feel bad... find scares me too.  i've switched to locate
[12:49] <Frederick> djm62, but that was somethinh like iso-xyz,noauto,user and a bunch of more stuff to make it safe
[12:49] <SeamusLP> Amaranth:  What config?
[12:49] <nickrud> find is <hard>
[12:49] <] BreliC[> problem is that running the updatedb each night while using the machine as a pvr seems to make it run like molasses
[12:50] <djm62> Frederick: under standard ubuntu install, CDs are mounted on insertion (ooh er missus)
[12:50] <FlyingSquirrel32> nickrud: I love the GUI search of ubuntu, but no recursiveness
[12:50] <Amaranth> SeamusLP: ~/.bittorrent/data/ui_config set advanced to 1
[12:50] <Frederick> brb
[12:50] <Amaranth> SeamusLP: Looks like you can set min/max port in there too.
[12:50] <nickrud> FlyingSquirrel32, that's what I use, or else updatedb and locate with some greps
[12:51] <nickrud> I can get my mind around that :)
[12:51] <djm62> FlyingSquirrel32: what are you looking for?
[12:51] <Amaranth> SeamusLP: That'll give you lots of shiny info about the running torrents too, kinda cool.
[12:51] <flames> what is the progressbar under the nicklist in in x-chat?
[12:52] <flames> -in
[12:52] <Bazzi> lag bar
[12:52] <Amaranth> SeamusLP: I'll probably make the resize stuff a seperate option though.
[12:52] <flames> thx
[12:52] <FlyingSquirrel32> djm62: A file named winecfg thats supposed to be in my wine installation.
[12:52] <SeamusLP> Amaranth:  Nice man.  Do all package maintainers put that much care into their packages?
[12:53] <Amaranth> SeamusLP: Yeah, probably.
[12:53] <Amaranth> SeamusLP: I'm not a good packager though, I don't have a diff.gz of my changes. :)
[12:54] <djm62> FlyingSquirrel32: from your home directory: find ./ -name winecfg
[12:54] <SeamusLP> Amaranth:  In the config it seems to say that max_files_open is set to 50...
[12:55] <djm62> (rusty, so just tested that here)
[12:55] <Amaranth> SeamusLP: That's probably files, not torrents.
[12:55] <Amaranth> SeamusLP: For multi-file torrents.
[12:56] <SeamusLP> Amaranth:  Right
[12:56] <Amaranth> SeamusLP: I'll dig into it when I redo this to be a good package.
[12:56] <djm62> (find is baroque)
[12:56] <djm62> did we get a url for packaging?
[12:56] <SeamusLP> Amaranth:  Alright man, cool
[12:56] <SQL_Sam> what is an .xpi file do?
[12:57] <djm62> SQL_Sam: installing mozilla add-ons
[12:57] <djm62> SQL_Sam: or firefox ones
[12:57] <SQL_Sam> k - good i got one now how do i use it?
[12:57] <djm62> SQL_Sam: cross-platform installer
[12:57] <djm62> SQL_Sam: open the directory in firefox, and click on the file
[12:57] <SQL_Sam> what is that?
[12:57] <SQL_Sam> ohh
[12:58] <djm62> SQL_Sam: the idea is you do it straight from the web, rather than downloading them
[12:59] <djm62> Anyone suggest some funky and clean backgrounds?
[12:59] <ax> hello, i have a couple questions, the FAQ tells me how to edit the gnome menu nothing it says to do works
[01:00] <ax> also i cannot get xterm to change font size (using -fs 20 or whatever)
[01:00] <ax> any ideas?
[01:00] <djm62> ax: are you using xterm or gnome-terminal?
[01:01] <FlyingSquirrel32> djm62: I need to use -depth but can't get it to work.
[01:01] <mink> is there a file(shellscript) that is executed on startup?
[01:01] <ax> right now i'm using gnome-terminal but i'd like to use xterm, but i cannot get the font size to increase
[01:01] <djm62> FlyingSquirrel32: I think depth is used to limit rather than extend the search
[01:02] <djm62> FlyingSquirrel32: at least, find ./ java-archive.* searched recursively to depth 2 here
[01:02] <limer> how do I check to see if java jre is installed on my machine?
[01:03] <Bazzi> limer run java --version
[01:03] <SeamusLP> djm62:  You mean like a color scheme or a background image? I just use a gradiant that fades left to right from black to that reddish-brown that's included in the default ubuntu theme
[01:03] <limer> Bazzi: thx, will do
[01:03] <Bazzi> if theres no such command it aint installed
[01:03] <limer> yes, I see
[01:03] <FlyingSquirrel32> djm62: let me try a test.
[01:03] <limer> I don't see it in synaptic
[01:04] <flames> where can i find a good samba config howto to make a network between winxp and ubuntu? i want save my files from xp to ubuntu
[01:04] <djm62> SeamusLP: I'm kind of after unobtrusive tiling...but really something a bit different, Propaganda was good for a while
[01:04] <limer> Bazzi: does it have an entry in synaptic?  I used the word "java" -- maybe it goes by something else
[01:04] <Bazzi> limer no, it does not.
[01:04] <Bazzi> you have to install it manually.
[01:04] <Bazzi> but ubuntuguide.org should have a tutorial for that
[01:05] <pixil9> limer: I know how
[01:05] <SysFail> anybody have a problem updating the kde libs???
[01:05] <limer> ths
[01:05] <limer> *thx
[01:05] <pixil9> limer: Go download the 1.4.2 jre from java.sun.com
[01:05] <pixil9> http://java.sun.com
[01:05] <pixil9> get java-package
[01:05] <limer> I'm looking at java.sun.com as we speak :P
[01:06] <djm62> I thought there might be some discerning aesthetes here ;)
[01:06] <limer> why 1.4.2?  I was going to do J2SE 5.0 Update 2
[01:06] <limer> if poss
[01:06] <pixil9> limer: Well get 5.0 then doesn't matter
[01:06] <pixil9> limer: then run make-jpkg jreblahblah5.0.bin
[01:06] <pixil9> then dpkg -i java.deb
[01:07] <limer> ty pixil9
[01:07] <pixil9> np.. someone told me about it the other day
[01:07] <pixil9> works good
[01:07] <limer> I hope so as I use quite a few java apps in windows -- preparing for linux as main os ;)
[01:08] <Bazzi> hehe
[01:08] <djm62> limer: what ones?
[01:08] <limer> pauker
[01:08] <Bazzi> I'll be preparing my migration as well.
[01:08] <limer> media library
[01:08] <limer> both great apps
[01:08] <djm62> limewire?
[01:08] <limer> jbidwatcher
[01:08] <marska> Hello.. How do I enable Universal repositories?
[01:08] <limer> believe it or not, no limewire for me
[01:09] <Bazzi> azureus *cough*
[01:09] <limer> torrent and dc++ are enough for me ;)
[01:09] <SeamusLP> Amaranth:  advanced = 1 is doing some whacked out shit.  Wouldn't recommend it, ever.
[01:09] <limer> and I agree with Bazzi - Azureus kicks arse
[01:09] <djm62> BT doesn't work for me...damn NAT
[01:10] <Bazzi> djm62 setup the ports correctly ;)
[01:10] <krusbjorn> g'night
[01:10] <djm62> Bazzi: not my nat :(
[01:10] <pixil9> limer: azureus is amazing.
[01:10] <tcwd> hmm... for some reason, gimp isn't working
[01:10] <tcwd> the executable file has a lock on it
[01:10] <marska> Hello.. How do I enable Universal repositories?
[01:10] <Bazzi> djm62 ohnoes :(
[01:10] <pixil9> marska: http://www.ubuntuguide.org
[01:10] <FlyingSquirrel32> marska: check out ubuntuguide.org has lots of good info
[01:11] <djm62> I could just set it up, but it would be rude and technically unnecessary
[01:11] <SeamusLP> Amaranth:  Also it deleted the advanced=1 line after I restarted the app.
[01:11] <djm62> FlyingSquirrel32: have you configured wine already?
[01:11] <] BreliC[> pixil9, it is nice, but java makes it slow
[01:11] <limer> pixil9: couldn't agree more -- I used the default win32 bt client and hated it.  love sf.net so I took a look and have never had the desire to find another bt client
[01:11] <pixil9> It's not slow
[01:11] <pixil9> wtf
[01:11] <pixil9> do you run a p1 233?
[01:11] <FlyingSquirrel32> I think so. :)
[01:12] <] BreliC[> nope
[01:12] <ax> so any idea why the stuff in the faq that says to right click on the menu in order to add stuff to it doesn't work? and the nautalis applications:/// thing doesn't work eiterh
[01:12] <limer> it eats a bit more memory, that's true -- but I will trade it for it's greatness any day :D
[01:12] <FlyingSquirrel32> djm62: The fake windows seems to be all set up if that's what you mean.
[01:12] <FlyingSquirrel32> djm62 : never found my file.
[01:12] <] BreliC[> for downloading large files and many of them, i'll always pick command line over gui because it's nice and quick
[01:13] <djm62> FlyingSquirrel32: I think it doesn't exist
[01:13] <pixil9> You think that command line is going to speed up your downloads?
[01:13] <pixil9> lol.
[01:13] <djm62> ] BreliC[: I don't think that it's cpu/memory limited
[01:13] <nickrud> ax, they cut menu edit out just before release, because it wasn't quite good enough, and
[01:13] <] BreliC[> pixil9, no, it's not the downloads that are slow, the program
[01:13] <nickrud> didn't have time to update the docs :)
[01:13] <pixil9> azureus is slow?
[01:13] <limer> am I not able to ./ if permissions are 644?
[01:13] <ax> ahh, so is there a way to edit the menu?
[01:13] <Ironfrost> ax: it doesn't work, but there is a third party program that does so
[01:13] <pixil9> I hit 600+ kB/s regularly using azureus
[01:13] <] BreliC[> yes, slower to respond to things after a while of running because of java
[01:13] <nickrud> menu editing is in the wiki, I think
[01:13] <limer> doesn't seem to matter on the deb packages I have in that folder
[01:13] <] BreliC[> makes the machine crawl
[01:14] <chazwurth> ] BreliC[: And why touch a mouse when you don't need to? :)
[01:14] <djm62> limer: +x premissions are special on directories
[01:14] <ax> Ironfrost: what is it?
[01:14] <] BreliC[> chazwurth, exactly!
[01:14] <Ironfrost> http://myosc.org/ubuntuguide/menueditor_0.4.3ubuntu1_all.deb
[01:14] <limer> djm62: I don't follow, it's a file
[01:14] <Ironfrost> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#menu-editor
[01:14] <FlyingSquirrel32> I'm trying to follow directions from frankscorner.org/index.php?p=wtlib2003 I did it once before.
[01:14] <Ironfrost> there's a thread on the forums that probably has a more recent version, but that seems to work for now
[01:14] <djm62> "am I not able to ./ if p..." ?
[01:14] <] BreliC[> pixil9, again, i'm not talking the *speed* of downloads.. that's fine.. just that java programs in general are slower that's all
[01:15] <limer> djm62: to "run" a file at cli, it's ./ correct?  maybe I'm just dead wrong here :D
[01:15] <djm62> limer: ./ is "this directory" (the directory you're in)
[01:16] <limer> right, I understand b/c of the "dot".  where .. would be "parent of"
[01:16] <djm62> limer: if you want to run a file in your current directory, you use that
[01:16] <limer> djm62: use the "dot"?
[01:16] <djm62> limer: otherwise your shell searches along a series of standard locations for executables
[01:17] <pixil9> I've never noticed azureus run slow
[01:17] <pixil9> running*
[01:17] <djm62> limer: yeah, tha dott :-/
[01:17] <pixil9> it runs fine
[01:17] <SysFail> i can sit and watch azureus consume ram
[01:17] <pixil9> and uses like 2% of my memory and 3% of my cpu
[01:17] <limer> djm62: that's weird, I can't autocomplete with tab
[01:17] <djm62> limer: to see where your shell searches otherwise, type "echo $PATH" literally
[01:17] <FlyingSquirrel32> when my pc boots, it tries to sync the time with ntp.ubuntulinux.org. how do I stop it from happening?
[01:17] <SysFail> longer it runs the more the system crawls
[01:17] <WhiteRabbit> SysFail, what is your java version
[01:18] <djm62> limer: also the first stage to find out why tab-completion isn't working
[01:18] <Mipfi> how can i install new themes and icons in xfce that i have downloadet ?
[01:19] <djm62> limer: damn...I forgot your original query... odd numbers are executable, evens aren't
[01:19] <SysFail> java version "1.5.0_02"
[01:19] <ax> ow can i use a different window manager? like openbox
[01:19] <flames> has gnome a filemanager like kde krusader?
[01:19] <limer> /usr/local/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games
[01:19] <djm62> so 644 isn't...you want 744
[01:19] <djm62> and it won't tab-complete if it isn't executable
[01:19] <limer> interesting
[01:19] <djm62> to change the permissions "chmod +x filename"
[01:20] <] BreliC[> SysFail, yeah, it's crazy how the computer becomes slow after overnight downloading with Azureus...
[01:20] <limer> 744 still requires "sudo" correct?
[01:20] <] BreliC[> really annoys me
[01:20] <b2s> djm62: you rarely ever want 744.  probaly you mean either 700 or 755
[01:20] <limer> since only root would have x
[01:20] <chazwurth> ax: apt-get install openbox, or use synaptic to do it
[01:20] <ax> i have installed it
[01:21] <smouche> are there no channel ops available for #kubuntu?  lately it's just homophobic tirades and rants about politicians in there.
[01:21] <mkde> hi there, does anyone know anything about video player plugins for firefox? I've installed mozilla-mplayer, but its not working great: I can't control the video at all (i.e. restart, pause etc) and its generally rubbish. Can anyone help me?
[01:21] <djm62> limer: chmod +x will make it executable to everyone, and you will still need sudo (and think about where the file came from_
[01:21] <chazwurth> ax: I have to run for 15 min. or so, if you still need help when I get back, feel free to grab me
[01:21] <limer> djm62: but to execute it would simply be "dot"filename ?
[01:22] <djm62> limer: yes :)
[01:22] <limer> notice "." didn't show in echo $PATH
[01:22] <mkde> ./
[01:22] <djm62> limer: that's why you have to type it
[01:22] <b2s> smouche: that sucks.  are there channels like ubuntu-ot or ubuntu-chat or kubuntu-discussion or anything like that?
[01:22] <limer> I was reading in "running linux" that dot should be in path
[01:22] <limer> I see
[01:22] <mkde> b2s, smouche there is an #ubuntu-offtopic chan, but of course you can create more
[01:23] <smouche> b2s -- don't know, there should be.  I could argue with the guy, but it would just encourage him.
[01:23] <limer> interesting.  so windows essentially tells it to run any executable in it's own dir
[01:23] <mkde> anyone on my plugin question??
[01:23] <djm62> limer: you wouldn't want to accidentally download a file which would have the same name as a common command and do something quite different... . in $PATH is a matter of taste, though
[01:23] <b2s> smouche: maybe you can convince him/them to go to that other channel
[01:23] <mkde> smouche, yeah normally asking someone to go to #ubuntu-offtopic politely will work
[01:23] <smouche> thanks, mkde.  Next time I'm in there I'll put #ubuntu-offtopic up -- and probably join it myself!
[01:24] <limer> :P
[01:24] <limer> djm62: so you know, I could ./ after sudo but not "."
[01:24] <limer> ./ worked
[01:25] <limer> I think I must have misunderstood you earlier
[01:25] <djm62> limer: yeah...I seem to have verbally whipped myself :-/
[01:25] <] BreliC[> OFF-TOPIC for one sec ;)  Does anyone know how to grab a list of all channels (in IRC) but specify a search string?  I'm using xChat
[01:26] <mkde> yes
[01:26] <mkde> ] BreliC[, /cs list *example*
[01:26] <] BreliC[> mkde, ahh, thanks
[01:26] <qwe> how would I config the firewall to allow connections on port X?
[01:27] <tomukas> hi, is there something like an .aspx-plugin for rythmbox?
[01:27] <djm62> qwe: I believe the ports are open, but with no services running, by default
[01:27] <limer> djm62: hmmm.  I guess it would be dot and then slash to represent a directory
[01:27] <limer> is that a fair analogy?
[01:27] <djm62> limer: the slash is to separate the "." directory name from the filename in that directory
[01:27] <jubei> Do I have to run anything after I have modified /boot/grub/menu.lst ?
[01:28] <limer> I see
[01:28] <mkde> jubei, update-grub, if you've maintained the debian style configuration format in there
[01:29] <djm62> limer: filenames which start with a dot are allowed, and are traditionally hidden
[01:29] <limer> djm62: right, unless you -a with ls
[01:29] <djm62> limer: yeah...not actually hidden, just kept from annoying you
[01:29] <qwe> djm62: really? well, I apt-get'd ircd-hybrid but my other boxen can't connect to it
[01:29] <limer> hmmm.  so to exec a hidden file >> ./.filename ?
[01:29] <sick-headache> anyone here thats good with xhtml and css?
[01:30] <djm62> qwe: is it running and configured?
[01:30] <qwe> it's running with the default config
[01:30] <limer> djm62: or must it be "unhidden" first?
[01:30] <djm62> sick-headache: I've done a fair bit, if it's not too horrible
[01:30] <djm62> limer: no, you were quite right ./.file
[01:30] <sick-headache> dju62 no it fairly easy
[01:30] <sick-headache> i pm you
[01:30] <jubei> mkde: but how does update-grub know not to "generate the menu.lst"?
[01:31] <limer> djm62: thx bro, good to know
[01:31] <mkde> jubei, i don't know much about it, but it does the biz.
[01:31] <djm62> anytime
[01:31] <jubei> mkde: cause the manual says first time you run it i generates the list
[01:31] <djm62> ;)
[01:31] <ax> ok, so that is better :) (using open box now) but xterm still won't use anthing other than the default font size
[01:32] <jubei> mkde: then "The user must set the two options update-grub uses. Then re-run the update-grub script to update the menu.lst file using the default's that have been set"
[01:32] <djm62> band practise night...consumption has been quite adequate
[01:32] <limer> hahaha
[01:32] <jubei> mkde: So I wanna know its not gonna generate the list. I want it just to update with my additions.
[01:33] <mkde> jubei, you can trust the manual more than me
[01:33] <limer> woot!  I just thought that I can always lynx file.html if I lose X windows
[01:33] <jubei> =)
[01:33] <limer> slackware taught me some lessons too :D
[01:33] <FlyingSquirrel32> djm62: How can I apend a letter to the names of all of the files in a dir?
[01:33] <djm62> FlyingSquirrel32: you want the "rename" command or a very small shell script
[01:33] <mkde> jubei, try without doing it, see if your changes have been applied
[01:34] <djm62> FlyingSquirrel32: "mv" definitely _isn't_ what you wat
[01:34] <nickrud> lol
[01:34] <jubei> mkde, well I havnt run it once yet. Surly you have to run it at least once. I did with lilo
[01:35] <mkde> jubei, give it a try :) grub works differently to lilo
[01:35] <FlyingSquirrel32> djm62: looks like I also need to learn perl.
[01:35] <pretender84> will resizing a reiserfs partition through partition magic damage the linux installation contained on it at all?
[01:35] <cens0red> hey I just installed firestarter, and went through wizard process. Is that all I need to do with it? Is there no further set up needed?
[01:36] <FlyingSquirrel32> djm62: "rename 'y/A-Z/a-z/' *"  will do what I need.
[01:36] <djm62> FlyingSquirrel32: 0-0
[01:36] <djm62> FlyingSquirrel32: I have no idea what you need...
[01:37] <helloyo> is there a fix to hal?
[01:38] <FlyingSquirrel32> djm62: didn't work. How do I append a letter to all of the names?
[01:38] <mkde> helloyo, what's wrong with it?
[01:39] <FlyingSquirrel32> djm62: I've got two big folders of pics (from my vacation :) ) and I want to put them in the same folder. but must have diff. names.
[01:39] <limer> pretender84: I've known older versions of PQMagic to screw things up
[01:39] <limer> even with standard NTFS or FAT32
[01:39] <qwe> does ubuntu come with sshd preconfigured?
[01:40] <bpuccio> qwe: no
[01:40] <qwe> bpuccio: no wonder
[01:40] <qwe> what's the package name?
[01:41] <mkde> openssh-server qwe
[01:41] <] BreliC[> FlyingSquirrel32, what about using 'basename'?
[01:41] <qwe> thanks mkde
[01:41] <bpuccio> qwe: brian@alpha:~ $ apt-cache search sshd
[01:41] <bpuccio> openssh-server - Secure shell server, an rshd replacement
[01:42] <j-me> I've just upgraded from warty to hoary, and I'm having troubles with playing oggs/mp3 from my gnump3d server (works fine on a debian Sarge desktop I have)
[01:43] <] BreliC[> as in 'for i in *.jpg; do rename `basename $i`$i + 'a'; done
[01:43] <limer> hmmm.  I installed java and can't use it at the cli
[01:43] <] BreliC[> or something similar
[01:43] <] BreliC[> syntax is wrong i'm sure
[01:43] <j-me> rhythmbox seems retarded, and xmms and beep just freeze
[01:43] <j-me> any ideas?
[01:44] <mkde> j-me, can you play local mp3s ok?
[01:44] <tomukas> and is one of them able to play aspx?
[01:44] <FlyingSquirrel32> j-me: whats wrong with RB
[01:44] <j-me> I don't have any.
[01:44] <j-me> I use my home server wherever I go..
[01:44] <limer> ahh
[01:44] <j-me> RB bails saying...
[01:44] <mkde> j-me, transfer one and test? it would be good to rule out that option
[01:44] <helloyo> mkde, sorry, i always get a hal error, and my desktop doesn't load properly, i removed it (along with gnome-volume manager), which stopped the problem, but with a loss of functionability
[01:44] <j-me> There is no element present to handle the stream's mime type application/x-id3
[01:45] <tomukas> okidoki
[01:45] <chazwurth> limer: Not in your path?
[01:45] <FlyingSquirrel32> j-me: what are you playing?
[01:45] <mkde> helloyo, have you tried with a fresh user? If your system is upgraded properly and you get the bug with a fresh user, then file a bug
[01:45] <mkde> FlyingSquirrel32, ^^
[01:46] <j-me> FlyingSquirrel32: what in terms of music?
[01:46] <limer> chazwurth: yeah, I had to ./
[01:46] <mkde> j-me, transfer one and test? it would be good to rule out that option
[01:46] <limer> only one problem, I don't want it installed there
[01:46] <j-me> sure. will do
[01:46] <FlyingSquirrel32> j-me: what type of file, mp3's?
[01:46] <limer> I wasn't thinking.  /bin/java would make more sense
[01:46] <mkde> FlyingSquirrel32, mp3 and ogg
[01:47] <mrproper> I haven't seen an update in Ubuntu Horay since it went stable.  Is this right?
[01:47] <mkde> mrproper, nor me
[01:47] <k4rl> in http://mpt.net.nz/archive/2005/04/11/ubuntu section starting and stopping, point 21, anyone know how to fix that?
[01:47] <chazwurth> limer: Mine's in /usr/java/; that's where Sun's installer put it.
[01:47] <nickrud> you guys don't run kde then :)
[01:47] <k4rl> my eth0 interface is only extremely rarely connected,
[01:47] <limer> chazwurth: do you know how I can safely kill it so I can reinstall?
[01:47] <j-me> mp3 for the particular one I mentioned. I'll try ogg
[01:47] <mrproper> mkde, Oh okay, cool.
[01:48] <chazwurth> limer: What installation method did you use? Most likely you can just remove the directory.
[01:48] <cens0red> Hey I installed firestarter, and now it won't let me connect to my psybnc. Where can I set the rules to make it allow it?
[01:48] <limer> self installing binary
[01:48] <mkde> k4rl, not that I know of
[01:48] <k4rl> well that sucks.
[01:48] <chazwurth> limer: Yeah, just remove the directory it created for itself.
[01:48] <mkde> k4rl, yes i agree with you/him. You can remove the service of course
[01:48] <k4rl> thanks, I guess :)
[01:48] <limer> I'm not sure why sun would want /usr/java
[01:49] <djm62> FlyingSquirrel32: what are your filenames?
[01:49] <limer> I was thinking /bin/java
[01:49] <FlyingSquirrel32> j-me: I'm a noob too, but do you need to install codecs? I don't think so but perhaps.
[01:49] <limer> but what do I know
[01:49] <k4rl> I guess removing the service is probably best, I don't want to just outright disable eth0,
[01:49] <mkde> k4rl, maybe check bugzilla just in case they don't know about it
[01:49] <j-me> ogg works
[01:49] <k4rl> though I'd really like it to be a bit smarter if the interface doens't have link.
[01:49] <mkde> j-me, ok then i guess you don't have mp3 support
[01:49] <FlyingSquirrel32> djm62: dscn0050.jpg is an example
[01:50] <j-me> ? what ? isn't that a redhatism?
[01:50] <nickrud> cens0red, there's a couple of tabs or something on the gui. you can open or close ports or hosts there
[01:50] <mkde> j-me, are you talking to me?
[01:50] <j-me> mkde : yes - sorry
[01:51] <mkde> j-me, cool thanks, just that the channel moves fast
[01:51] <djm62> FlyingSquirrel32: and you have identically-named files in different directories?
[01:51] <chazwurth> limer: You might make links at, for example, /bin/java or /usr/bin/java; but it would be silly to put all of the installed files in those places.
[01:51] <cens0red> nickrud can't find a tab that enables me to do that.
[01:51] <FlyingSquirrel32> djm62: some yes
[01:51] <mkde> j-me, you won't have mp3 support by default. check out http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats for information on what you don't have that you might want
[01:51] <nickrud> been a while, I guess I might as well start a firewall :)
[01:51] <j-me> mkde: ahh - ta. will do
[01:51] <limer> wish me luck, first time rm -rf ;)
[01:51] <mainer> censored,read the docs,  www.fs-security.com   ,when in doubt,google
[01:52] <mkde> j-me, quick fix for RB is to install gstreamer0.8-mad
[01:52] <j-me> mkde: cool
[01:52] <FlyingSquirrel32> j-me: perhaps you could install the codecs from ubuntuguide.org? Just a weak sugg. can't hurt.
[01:52] <mkde> ewwww
[01:52] <hybrid> ok i edited my sources.list then sudo apt-get update then sudo apt-get dist-upgrade but when i restart it says 5.04 Ubuntu Hoary Hedgehog
[01:52] <limer> thank god for absolute paths ;)
[01:52] <mkde> j-me, that page I posted is more reliable than ubuntuguide.org at the moment
[01:52] <chazwurth> Heh
[01:53] <FlyingSquirrel32> cool, I was right !
[01:53] <j-me> mkde: incidentally, with oggs, RB reaches the end of the track and then complains Unexpected end of stream!
[01:53] <mkde> bizarre
[01:53] <mkde> j-me, maybe that is a bug with streaming media
[01:53] <nickrud> cens0red, the tab is policy
[01:53] <FlyingSquirrel32> j-me: It works nice once you got the right codecs installed
[01:54] <j-me> OK, I'll try and report back
[01:54] <jubei> Ok I compiled the new kernel and set it up in grub, but when I try to boot it i get "kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown - block (0,0)" what can I do?
[01:54] <cens0red> nickrud well I've "allowed" incoming connections from my psybnc's host. Still can't connect to while the firewall is on though.
[01:55] <mkde> jubei, do you have an initrd?
[01:55] <djm62> FlyingSquirrel32: rename 's/\.jpg/X\.jpg/' *.jpg
[01:55] <jubei> i'm following a guide that says dont use it
[01:55] <mkde> jubei, is the guide an ubuntu guide?
[01:55] <jubei> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KernelByHandHowto
[01:55] <jubei> yep
[01:55] <djm62> FlyingSquirrel32: in the appropriate directory will change dfsc3497.jpg to dfsc3497X.jpg
[01:56] <FlyingSquirrel32> djm62: perfect.
[01:56] <FlyingSquirrel32> djm62: Is it too complicated to explain?
[01:56] <nickrud> cens0red, then the firestarter site sounds like a good place to start :)
[01:56] <mkde> jubei, sure you got all the config right?
[01:56] <djm62> FlyingSquirrel32: then mv ./appropriatedirectory/* ./targetdirectory/
[01:56] <FlyingSquirrel32> djm62: yeah I got the rest.
[01:57] <limer> hmmm.  I had to sudo to mkdir in /bin
[01:57] <djm62> FlyingSquirrel32: sort of...it's a regular expression and books /have/ been written on them
[01:57] <limer> now java doesn't want to install
[01:57] <cens0red> nickrud even better idea - read an iptables tutorial and configure a firewall myself.
[01:57] <FlyingSquirrel32> djm62: its not a perl expression?
[01:57] <jubei> mkde: I have no idea. I dont know what "Unless you include the right kernel drivers into a boot image with initrd, then be sure to compile directly into the kernel (statically, not modules) the drivers for:" means
[01:58] <jubei> mkde: the howto kinda doesnt elaborate on that
[01:58] <mkde> jubei, compiling statically means that you need to press "y" instead of "m"
[01:58] <nickrud> deeper than I want to go; I'm going to be using shorewall now that I've started.
[01:58] <chazwurth> limer: 1) Don't install it in /bin and 2) If you're trying to install it as your user, you'll have to sudo to install it as well
[01:58] <djm62> FlyingSquirrel32: but "s" means switch/swap the first bit is the "search" expression (the . needs a \ before it because dots have another meaning in regexps)
[01:58] <limer> chazwurth: uggh, now you tell me :P
[01:58] <djm62> FlyingSquirrel32: and the second bit is the "replace" expression (again with the backslash)
[01:59] <jubei> mkde: after make oldconfig?
[01:59] <limer> I installed to /bin/java
[01:59] <djm62> FlyingSquirrel32: perl uses regexps, but they are much older than perl
[01:59] <mkde> jubei, hang on let me look at the guide
[01:59] <nickrud> the config that comes with the docs should still set up a firewall with all establish outgoing accepted, and ident pings.
[01:59] <djm62> FlyingSquirrel32: and they've lasted this long because they are effective ;)
[01:59] <nickrud> or inbound on established outgoing )
[02:00] <chazwurth> limer: Eh, I'd suggest installing it where it wants to go, but it won't destroy anything
[02:00] <mkde> jubei, make oldconfig will just give you the same configuration as the ubuntu kernel. You need to run "make menuconfig" to specify your own configuration
[02:00] <limer> it doesn't suggest man, that's just it
[02:00] <limer> chazwurth: http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/install-linux.html
[02:00] <FlyingSquirrel32> djm62: I see the idea. I'll read on the train home. Thanks for everything. I'll be leaving now.
[02:00] <limer> this is what I thought it might do and ended up with the binaries in the depths of my home folder
[02:01] <mkde> j-me, i hope you get it working because you have done me a nice favour, showing me the existence of gnump3d
[02:01] <chazwurth> limer: When you run the installer, it doesn't have a default location?
[02:01] <djm62> FlyingSquirrel32: http://sitescooper.org/tao_regexps.html (wget it ;))
[02:01] <limer> no -- this version installs to the cd
[02:01] <jubei> mkde, I used make oldconfig then make xconfig to update my processor but thats about it. In make xconfig do I adjust the link mode?
[02:01] <chazwurth> limer: That's because you didn't install it as root
[02:01] <j-me> mkde:  gnump3d rocks
[02:01] <chazwurth> Oh
[02:01] <limer> even as root, it doesn't ask -- sorry, doing "sudo"
[02:01] <chazwurth> Hmm
[02:01] <j-me> mkde: written by steve kemp - so you know it's good
[02:02] <j-me> security wise
[02:02] <chazwurth> Well, so it goes
[02:02] <mkde> j-me, who is he?
[02:02] <mkde> jubei, what is gods name are you doing compiling the kernel then?
[02:02] <limer> what version of java did you have installed chazwurth ?
[02:02] <j-me> debian security audit team lead
[02:02] <FlyingSquirrel32> djm62: cool, just learned another thing. Thanks.
[02:02] <mkde> jubei, there is absolutely no point recompiling a kernel just to change the processor
[02:03] <limer> I think things have changed in 5.0 a bit.  for ex djm62 said I could use "--version" which is now slightly different (-version)
[02:03] <chazwurth> limer: 1.5.0_02; it's possible the installer did the same for me and I just put it where I did out of habit.
[02:03] <j-me> mkde: thanks now listening to Becks new album :-)
[02:03] <mkde> j-me, ok so it is safe too then
[02:03] <jubei> mkde I added a patch for 500hz mouse polling
[02:03] <djm62> I i'nt say nutt'n
[02:03] <mkde> jubei, ok that's more like it ;)
[02:03] <chazwurth> Eh, --version still doesn't work for me :)
[02:03] <limer> oh well, if I have to kill it later it's self-contained right :P
[02:03] <mkde> jubei, right yes make xconfig is the same as make menuconfig more or less
[02:03] <jubei> mkde, How do I set it to statically link?
[02:04] <mkde> jubei, do you mean compile drivers statically?
[02:04] <jubei> mkde, yeah if thats how I get rid of the kernel panic I mentioned earlier
[02:05] <server> no you need to fix grub/lilo
[02:05] <jubei> HEH
[02:05] <server> if im replying to the right message i saw earlier
[02:05] <server> vfs error on boot, right?
[02:05] <djm62> jubei: I suspect you've lost an initrd somewhere
[02:05] <mkde> jubei, i can't tell you for sure how to get rid of that, but if you are not using an initrd it may be that you need to build at least the filesystem drivers into the kernel, using YES rather tan MODULE
[02:05] <server> you dont even need initrd
[02:05] <mkde> djm62, he has intentionally omitted initrd
[02:06] <djm62> 0_0
[02:06] <jubei> but the guide says dont use an initrd
[02:06] <danwolf> I am having a hal problem, when I login to gnome, I get a "Failed to initialize HAL" erro, then I have to kill dbus-daemon-1 to get gnome to fully come up. Then I have about 20 20-hal.hotplug running and about the same 10-hal.dev
[02:06] <danwolf> someone please help
[02:06] <server> danwolf... uname -a
[02:06] <server> which kernel are you using?
[02:06] <mkde> sounds like 11
[02:06] <jubei> mkde, i'm never prompted it that respect =)
[02:06] <pakkiri> which is faster ? X.org or Xfree86
[02:06] <pakkiri> which uses more memory?
[02:06] <danwolf> server: Linux foshizzle 2.6.10-5-386 #1 Tue Apr 5 12:12:40 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
[02:07] <server> hrm..
[02:07] <djm62> pakkiri: I think it depends more on other factors
[02:07] <jubei> im using linux-source-2.6.10
[02:07] <Trickyphillips> Hello #Ubuntu. :)
[02:07] <pakkiri> I have 256MB RAM
[02:07] <mkde> jubei, i've never used make xconfig, but there will be a way to select and deselect drivers
[02:07] <jubei> I followed this guide http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KernelByHandHowto
[02:07] <pakkiri> I switched to hoary a few days back
[02:08] <danwolf> when I try killing a bunch of the hotplugs, I get a kill process in zombie status
[02:08] <pakkiri> It's been very slow
[02:08] <mkde> danwolf, have you tried with a fresh user?
[02:08] <danwolf> fresh user
[02:08] <pakkiri> is Enlightenment faster than Gnome?
[02:08] <danwolf> I tried reinstalling ubuntu alltogether last night
[02:08] <pakkiri> I have a P-III 850
[02:08] <djm62> pakkiri: sluggish, or pathologically slow?
[02:08] <mkde> pakkiri, yes but not as feature rich
[02:09] <pakkiri> djm62: pathetically slow when I use Eclipse
[02:09] <pakkiri> slow otherwise
[02:09] <jubei> mkde, its pretty much laid out the same as menuconfig
[02:09] <danwolf> mkde: tried reinstalling ubuntu alltogether last night
[02:09] <pakkiri> mkde: feature rich as in what?
[02:09] <mkde> danwolf, definitely file a bug, even if you can fix it
[02:09] <danwolf> I have
[02:09] <danwolf> want the link?
[02:09] <djm62> eclipse didn't slow down your system before?
[02:09] <mkde> danwolf, i won't be able to fix it, but better people will :)
[02:10] <mkde> pakkiri, gnome manages lots of desktop configuration for you, whereas enlightenment is much more streamlined
[02:10] <mkde> pakkiri, try both and see what you prefer
[02:10] <mkde> jubei, right, and how do you select and deselect drives?
[02:10] <pakkiri> mkde: I don't have much space on my disk to try both
[02:10] <mkde> jubei, *drivers
[02:10] <limer> where is the PATH file located?
[02:10] <mkde> pakkiri, how much have you got?
[02:11] <djm62> can anyone else confirm that http://dean.edwards.name/IE7 *CRASHES* firefox?
[02:11] <djm62> (on your own head be it)
[02:11] <mkde> yes
[02:11] <mkde> confirmed
[02:11] <mkde> interesting
[02:11] <k4rl> boom!
[02:11] <limer> djm62: confirmed
[02:11] <k4rl> half renders, then byebye
[02:12] <k4rl> also, why isn't firefox in a new process :(
[02:12] <k4rl> that took down all my windows :(
[02:12] <djm62> limer: it's not a file, it's a variable...it gets set from .bashrc or .profile and is then stored in memory
[02:12] <jubei> mkde, Device Drivers...Block devices...
[02:12] <limer> I need to edit it after a botched added path
[02:12] <limer> thx
[02:12] <nickrud> ephiphany crashed too
[02:12] <djm62> limer: "env" command shows all other environmental variables
[02:12] <danwolf> server: any ideas, please?
[02:12] <mkde> jubei, but what do you actually PRESS in order to change the configuration
[02:12] <danwolf> mkde: ca you try?
[02:13] <djm62> I apologise everyone :( I did put big letters
[02:13] <mkde> danwolf, literally don't have a clue, how long has the bug been filed?
[02:13] <jubei> mkde, dunno. I'm quite happy to run menuconfig =)
[02:13] <danwolf> week and a half or so
[02:13] <danwolf> mkde: week and a half or so
[02:13] <danwolf> lemm look
[02:13] <k4rl> do you know if there is a way to make firefox use a new process?
[02:13] <server> nope, sorry
[02:14] <server> i was lookin for the obvious
[02:14] <danwolf> mkde: I will paste you the bug link
[02:14] <mkde> jubei, ok when you run menuconfig, when you want to compile a driver statically, you press "y", A * (star) sign appears next to it. When you want to compile it as a module, you press "M".
[02:14] <mkde> danwolf, can't hurt
[02:14] <nickrud> but it restarted all the windows :)
[02:14] <danwolf> mkde: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=9864
[02:14] <jubei> mkde ok
[02:15] <dg23> i came here lookinf for help, i couldn't figure out how to change the color depth from 24 bit to 32 bit
[02:15] <dg23> in gnome 2.10
[02:15] <danwolf> mkde: I found something somewhere that said that I could put a line in my grub kernel params to fix it
[02:15] <djm62> wow.../etc/bash_completion is a minor OS on its own
[02:15] <danwolf> mkde: but when I do that I get an error on start up about failed to find ide-mod module
[02:16] <slappy17> whats the line?
[02:16] <danwolf> mkde: so I don't think that that is even working
[02:16] <mkde> j-me, ah this is so good... i don't need a samba server now
[02:16] <XTCboarder> anybody know how to condig php on apache2? my scripts wont work....
[02:16] <mkde> danwolf, :/
[02:16] <danwolf> mkde: any idea about that module?
[02:16] <jubei> mkde, I wouldnt minde making an initrd if that is a better way to go either. What is and initrd?
[02:17] <mkde> danwolf, none sorry
[02:17] <limer> djm62: can't find it in ~/.bashrc
[02:17] <slappy17> jubei: whats going on?
[02:18] <slappy17> you cant boot, rightA?
[02:18] <djm62> limer: I just pasted you mine (hope you don't mind)
[02:18] <k4rl> what is the advantage in making an initrd image anyway?
[02:18] <slappy17> if you want to load modules before the machine boots
[02:18] <mkde> jubei, i'll pass you over to slappy17 if you don't mind, i need to sleep now
[02:18] <limer> that's cool
[02:18] <slappy17> rgr
[02:19] <slappy17> can you fill me in?  i missed the original question
[02:19] <mkde> slappy17, he has followed the guide on http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KernelByHandHowto but hasn't compiled anything into the kernel
[02:19] <mkde> slappy17, and he hasn't got an initrd
[02:19] <slappy17> ahh..so he has no networking?
[02:19] <mkde> slappy17, kernel panic on boot
[02:19] <j-me> mkde: incidentally, still getting the end of stream error in RB
[02:20] <slappy17> lilo or grub
[02:20] <mkde> grub
[02:20] <slappy17> and where is he?
[02:20] <j-me> but xmms works fine once I changed to esounds
[02:20] <slappy17> go sleep, man
[02:20] <jubei> HEH
[02:20] <mkde> j-me, yes that is a hoary bug
[02:20] <slappy17> does he have his menu.1st around or grub.config?
[02:20] <jubei> ok thanks for your help mkde
[02:20] <j-me> ahh, ok cool. I prefer xmms anyway.
[02:20] <slappy17> jubei...show me what you did for you new kernel in grub
[02:20] <mkde> j-me, i mean the esound one. RB might be an upstream bug maybe?
[02:20] <slappy17> tell me what steps you took real quick
[02:21] <jubei> slappy17, I followed this http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KernelByHandHowto
[02:21] <slappy17> ya, but what did you do
[02:21] <j-me> mkde: ah ok. well I might look into it a little further then
[02:21] <jubei> but I didnt know what "Unless you include the right kernel drivers into a boot image with initrd, then be sure to compile directly into the kernel (statically, not modules) the drivers for:" meant
[02:21] <mkde> ok good luck jubei
[02:21] <mkde> night
[02:21] <slappy17> dl kernel(which) make menuconfig, make modules ; make modules_install cp bzimage..edit grub.conf
[02:22] <slappy17> ok, heres the rule of thumb...you only need to build in stuff that is absolutly required for booting..ie, ide, cpu, scsi, etc.
[02:22] <transgress> okay... my dvd's are still a little jerky... is there any tweaking i can do to speed them up?  and would the nvidia xorg driver work better than the nv xorg driver for dvd's?
[02:22] <slappy17> modules for your devices, cdrom, network card,
[02:23] <slappy17> lsmod and lspci are your friends to determine what you need
[02:23] <slappy17> use that and go through /usr/src/linux/.config to see whats 'm' and 'y'
[02:23] <slappy17> so..given all of that..where are you?
[02:23] <jubei> well
[02:24] <transgress> does ubuntu do updates to generic kernels?
[02:24] <nickrud> transgress, big time
[02:24] <slappy17> ah..im looking at that link you sent me
[02:24] <transgress> like that will update to my computer automatically?  or after my install do i need to do my own kernels?
[02:24] <nickrud> slappy, you do know your kernels :)
[02:25] <slappy17> too many times...too much
[02:25] <slappy17> ;)
[02:25] <nickrud> I quit :)
[02:25] <slappy17> lol
[02:25] <slappy17> goin to sleep?
[02:25] <danwolf> anyone else have any ideas for me?
[02:25] <jubei> i'm followinging this guide http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KernelByHandHowto and it doesnt say to do make modules
[02:26] <danwolf> I been trying for weeks
[02:26] <slappy17> make modules_install install
[02:26] <jubei> yep
[02:26] <nickrud> naw, still at my desk, looking at irc for a moment :)
[02:26] <slappy17> ohh..ya, you dont do that in 2.6
[02:26] <transgress> i'll probably do a custom when .12 comes out
[02:26] <jubei> I think I either need to use an initrd or change some drivers to static
[02:26] <slappy17> it's out
[02:27] <slappy17> linux posted it up today
[02:27] <slappy17> linus
[02:27] <slappy17> w/ git..no more BitKeeper!! NOO!!
[02:27] <slappy17> http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=linux-kernel&m=111404524303075&w=2
[02:27] <jubei> So now I just need to find out which ones to do static
[02:28] <transgress> it is?
[02:28] <transgress> i guess i'll have to get to that then
[02:28] <slappy17> well..prepatch
[02:28] <slappy17> 2.6.11.7 is still stable
[02:29] <transgress> i find it annoying to do updates on kernels too often running 3 linux systems...
[02:29] <transgress> all 3 different chipsets
[02:29] <transgress> and hardware
[02:29] <slappy17> bah....ya, no kidding
[02:30] <jubei> slappy17, how can i determine what drivers to make built-in?
[02:30] <beggar> I made this question here but I hadnt found a solution...so...i want to run a script (that initializes my internet connection) in the boot...and as ubuntu don't have rc.local, how can  i do this?
[02:30] <slappy17> you build them in if you need it to boot your pc
[02:30] <bpuccio> has anyone had issues when connecting to more then 2 IRC servers with GAIM?  I seem to get kicked off one when signing on to a third
[02:31] <transgress> is it possible to get really good dvd playback on linux?
[02:31] <jubei> slappy17, i'm gonna need more detail, eg do I need monitor dirvers? ext3 drivers? ntfs drivers?
[02:31] <slappy17> you dont need a monitor to boot, if you use ext3, then you need it to boot
[02:32] <slappy17> stuff like that
[02:32] <slappy17> network cards are not needed to boot unless you pxe...so module
[02:32] <slappy17> get it?
[02:32] <jubei> slappy17, so I should just check the stuff I think then compile and if it doesnt work try again =) ?
[02:33] <limer> guess you don't have to specify --jar with java anymore :D
[02:33] <slappy17> lather, rinse, repeat
[02:33] <jubei> HEH
[02:33] <nickrud> lol
[02:33] <slappy17> you probably wont get it the first few tries, but you will
[02:33] <slappy17> make sure your new kernel is in the right spot and grub see's it
[02:34] <slappy17> i thought you were having a grub issue earlier
[02:34] <djm62> no mo bitkeeper :-/
[02:34] <scorpix> i got this error when i do apt-get upgrade in hoary:
[02:34] <scorpix> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4%3a3.4.0-0ubuntu3.1_all.deb (--unpack):
[02:34] <transgress> bleh and the sound is offstep
[02:34] <scorpix>  trying to overwrite `/usr/share/icons/default.kde', which is also in package knetworkconf
[02:34] <scorpix> Errors were encountered while processing:
[02:34] <jubei> slappy17, ok more questions now. Have the patches allready been applied to the kernel I downloaded?
[02:34] <scorpix>  /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4%3a3.4.0-0ubuntu3.1_all.deb
[02:34] <transgress> is there a good dvd ripper for linux?
[02:34] <slappy17> wait...you're patching?
[02:34] <slappy17> ok..i didnt see that part
[02:35] <djm62> transgress: drip will work...but it's not wonderful
[02:35] <slappy17> patch --dry-run
[02:36] <jubei> slappy17, I downloaded the source applied the 500hz mouse polling patch (the whole reasone I'm doing this) and I want to know how to get the -32 on the end of my kernel version now.
[02:36] <Ironfrost> transgress: bleh and the sound is offstep  <--  I had that problem with Xine, but VLC worked fine
[02:36] <djm62> nightski urbi et orbi
[02:36] <slappy17> ahhhh...ok..when you patched it, was it suppose to be a new option in the menu?
[02:37] <slappy17> did you run the patch?
[02:37] <slappy17> how did they package it?
[02:37] <jubei> I ran the patch
[02:37] <jubei> it was just a .diff file
[02:37] <slappy17> no errors?  in the instructions, what did it tell you to do after the install
[02:37] <slappy17> ahh..ok...so.  it didnt say anything about enabling it in the menu, right?
[02:38] <jubei> there was one rejected part of the patch but I fixed it.
[02:38] <jubei> no, dont need to enable it in the menu
[02:38] <slappy17> ok..so as long as the readme didnt say anything else, then you should be good to run make on the kernel
[02:38] <slappy17> so is the 500hz polling make it more sensitive?
[02:39] <jubei> well
[02:39] <slappy17> can anyone use it?
[02:39] <transgress> i can't get any sound with blc
[02:39] <transgress> vlc
[02:39] <jubei> i'm a hardcore quakeworlder =)
[02:39] <transgress> but the video playback is a lot better
[02:39] <jubei> yeah sure slappy
[02:39] <transgress> any tips?
[02:39] <slappy17> ahh
[02:39] <jubei> difference between 125hz and 500hz means each frame it takes 6-7 samples instead of 1-2
[02:40] <jubei> so if you move the mouse fast its still accurate
[02:40] <slappy17> ohhh...nice
[02:40] <slappy17> do you have a link?
[02:40] <jubei> yep...
[02:40] <jubei> ftp://gibbage.mine.nu/tools/500hz%20USB%20Mouse%20Patches/
[02:40] <jp> what?
[02:40] <slappy17> ty!
[02:40] <jp> resolution with 500 hz?
[02:40] <jp> wtf
[02:41] <jubei> slappy you can go up to 1000hz if your mobo/mouse supports it
[02:41] <jp> oh
[02:41] <jp> mouse 
[02:41] <slappy17> whoa..do you edit the diff?
[02:41] <jubei> i have mx300 which goes up to 1000hz but my mobo only does 500hz
[02:41] <jubei> you dont need to edit the diff but...
[02:42] <jubei> with the source i d/l usb_deregister(&hid_driver); and hiddev_exit(); are one each others lines =)
[02:42] <jubei> so patch winges
[02:42] <jubei> oh
[02:42] <jubei> if you want 1000hz you just edit the diff, yeah
[02:42] <jubei> or the source
[02:43] <jubei> change static unsigned hid_mouse_poll_interval to 1 for 1000hz
[02:43] <slappy17> ahh...ok, im goin through it
[02:43] <slappy17> oh, thanks!
[02:43] <jubei> also
[02:43] <jubei> go here for info http://gibbage.mine.nu/forum/
[02:44] <jubei> Do you play any games slappy?
[02:44] <slappy17> uhh..not as much lately, but i like bf 1942
[02:44] <slappy17> i dont game on linux though...
[02:44] <robertj> ok, general linux question, I moved a disk from one computer to another and yaboot loaded but couldn't find the partition
[02:44] <slappy17> looks like you code, though
[02:44] <slappy17> so whats up w/ the kernel now?  are you going to try it?
[02:45] <jubei> I still have questions =)
[02:45] <slappy17> okay, shoot
[02:45] <jubei> ubuntu has patches on the kernel
[02:45] <jubei> eg
[02:45] <transgress> is there a way to make VLC use esd?
[02:45] <transgress> or what do i need to stop to get VLC sound to work...
[02:46] <jubei> i'm running 2.6.10-5-686 and I want to know how to get the -5 on the end of my kernel when I compile it.
[02:46] <slappy17> honestly, i always download my kernel from www.kernel.org and start from scratch
[02:46] <slappy17> ohh....i just saw this
[02:46] <jubei> does the -5 mean patches have been applyied to the kernel?
[02:47] <smo> jubei: I believe it indicates that it's the fifth build that ubuntu have packaged
[02:47] <slappy17> ya..
[02:47] <jubei> ok
[02:47] <slappy17> its nothing but for them
[02:47] <slappy17> you can change it in def config
[02:47] <slappy17> defconfig
[02:48] <jubei> so what can I do with /usr/src/linux-patches/i386/2.6.10/ ?
[02:49] <jubei> I tried running /usr/src/linux-patches/i386/2.6.10/debian/patch-2.6.10-34 on the source I d/l but it seemed they had allready been applied, would this be the case?
[02:50] <crimsun> jubei: yes, it (/they for broken-out) has been applied already to linux-source-2.6.10
[02:50] <crimsun> jubei: the -5- is an epoch signifying an ABI bump
[02:53] <jubei> also, I selected pentium 4 in make xconfig does this mean I made a 686 kernel because it doesnt say that in the name, it just says "vmlinuz-2.6.10" ?
[02:53] <crimsun> yes.
[02:53] <crimsun> the filename vmlinuz is a generic one
[02:54] <jubei> cool, thanks
[02:54] <Quest-Master> Any Urdu or Hindi speaking Ubuntu users here?
[02:56] <jp> hi guys, i'm compiling something and I got that: /usr/share/aclocal/pkg.m4:5: warning: underquoted definition of PKG_CHECK_MODULES //  run info '(automake)Extending aclocal'
[02:56] <jp> what this can be? thanks :/
[02:56] <fsapo> hi there fellows :) somebody could help me with some dependencies stuff?
[02:56] <fsapo> i m trying to install some packages but it goes to some "unstallable" dapendecies
[02:57] <fsapo> is there a way to force it?
[02:57] <crimsun> jp: it's a warning and doesn't affect anything. It means that the macro needs to be enclosed with brackets [] .
[02:57] <fsapo> like
[02:57] <fsapo> Depends: libc6 (>=2.3.2.ds1-21) but 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13 is to be installed
[02:57] <fsapo> this is stressing me :(
[02:57] <jp> crimsun mm my problem is configure was stopped by that... :/
[02:57] <crimsun> fsapo: why do you have sid lines on your hoary system?
[02:58] <transgress> bleh so vlc plays the dvd really well, but i can't get sound for anything
[02:58] <crimsun> jp: no, either something below or above it
[02:58] <mrhodes> hey guys, i just messed up trying to update my 386 kernel to 686 and deleted the 386 modules.. now 686 kernel hasn't been lilo'd properly, and i can't get back into gnome as my 386 modules are gone.. what's the package called?
[02:58] <fsapo> crimsun, sid lines?
[02:58] <transgress> is there a dvd player that will use esd?
[02:58] <transgress> and work well
[02:58] <crimsun> fsapo: -21 is only in sid.
[02:58] <mrhodes> linux-image-386-
[02:58] <phillipc> hey how can I run the synaptic GUI from the CLI? it needs root privelidges but doesn't ask me for a pw
[02:59] <fsapo> crimsun, i dont really know.. but how should i solve it?
[02:59] <fsapo> crimsun, i m trying to install trasncode
[02:59] <crimsun> transgress: install vlc-esd
[02:59] <fsapo> crimsun, but some stupid dependencies isnt working at all =/
[02:59] <mrhodes> please someone help me reinstall the 386 kernel modules
[02:59] <crimsun> fsapo: are you following a guide or a howto or something?
[02:59] <mrhodes> specifically nvidia drivers
[03:00] <transgress> crimsun: thanks a lot
[03:00] <fsapo> crimsun, no.. i m installing by myself
[03:00] <crimsun> phillipc: use aptitude instead or apt-get or dselect
[03:00] <fsapo> crimsun, i want to ruin the dvd::rip
[03:00] <fsapo> crimsun, but it depends on trasncode.. that dependes on some "unstallable" stuff
[03:00] <crimsun> mrhodes: linux-image-2.6.10-5-386
[03:00] <amonkey> is there a real encoder that i can get from synaptic? and if not, any other place?
[03:01] <phillipc> crimsun: I just want to execute the gui from a shortcut or the CLI
[03:01] <hypno> mrhodes apt-cache search 386 modules
[03:01] <crimsun> amonkey: www.real.com or www.helixcommunity.org
[03:01] <mrhodes> hypno thanks
[03:01] <transgress> hey crimsun is there something i need to edit to get this vlc-esd to work or is it automagic?
[03:01] <crimsun> transgress: you may have to configure vlc to use esd, if so, it'll be in the preferences
[03:01] <fsapo> crimsun, i just bought a dvd recorder and i dont want to install windows just to backup some movies :(
[03:02] <transgress> k
[03:02] <pixil9> you mean pirate movies
[03:02] <pixil9> :P
[03:02] <fsapo> pixil9, if you think that way :)
[03:03] <fsapo> pixil9, i just want to rent and backup it up for watching later hehe ;)
[03:03] <pixil9> i got about 200 burned dvds now
[03:03] <crimsun> fsapo: dvd+rw-tools
[03:03] <pixil9> and 100 svcds
[03:03] <Patrick`> I have a fresh install of Hoary here, and when I log in via ssh or the console, my .bashrc and/or .bash_profile aren't processed
[03:03] <pixil9> I figure it's only 6 grand of stolen stuff
[03:03] <Patrick`> they are if I then call "bash" again
[03:04] <fsapo> pixil9, i have a colletion of xvid stuff and dont really like vcd :P
[03:04] <fsapo> pixil9, mainly animes :)
[03:04] <SQL_Sam> does ubuntu come with acrobat reader?
[03:04] <pixil9> i like svcds cuz they play on my dvd player
[03:04] <pixil9> but ihad to pick 1 out of like 30 at visions.. only one that played them
[03:05] <crimsun> SQL_Sam: no. Use debian-marillat for that, or use xpdf
[03:05] <fsapo> pixil9, hehe i dont have a dvd player.. i just use the pc instead ;)
[03:05] <pixil9> haha
[03:05] <Ironfrost> pixl9 - in China, pretty much any DVD player you buy these days will also play MP4 / DivX
[03:05] <pixil9> hope u got a big monitor
[03:05] <Ironfrost> USA is so far behind
[03:06] <socomm> How to install gcc-4.0?
[03:06] <pixil9> USA is a shithole
[03:06] <Strog> My year old DVD plays them fine
[03:06] <fsapo> crimsun, dvd+rw-tools is installed here... btw how do i use it to backup dvds?
[03:07] <crimsun> fsapo: I've not used it; I don't have dvd hardware. Read the documentation in /usr/share/doc/dvd+rw-tools/
[03:07] <transgress> grar cannot find any way to tell vlc to use esd
[03:07] <Patrick`> k3b!
[03:07] <fsapo> crimsun, thanx
[03:07] <Patrick`> now with funny sound effects
[03:07] <socomm> fsapo: You mean rip DVD?
[03:08] <pixil9> is it just me.. or are gaim sounds just _disgusting_
[03:08] <fsapo> socomm, yes
[03:08] <fsapo> socomm, :)
[03:08] <socomm> fsapo: You can try mplayer and mencoder.
[03:08] <calim> Hello guys, hey could someone tell me how to get fglrx running?
[03:08] <judax> #kubuntu channel is messed up tonight
[03:08] <calim> like enabling direct rendering..
[03:08] <crimsun> calim: wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:08] <Strog> socomm: hey socomm
[03:08] <socomm> Strog: Hello.
[03:08] <calim> crimsun: where is it?
[03:08] <SQL_Sam> next dumb question can ubuntu use rpm packages?
[03:09] <crimsun> calim: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:09] <socomm> SQL_Sam: Yes.
[03:09] <calim> thx
[03:09] <crimsun> SQL_Sam: alien
[03:09] <fsapo> socomm, i ve tried to install mplayer here... but it depends on those stupid "unstallable" stuff =/
[03:09] <socomm> SQL_Sam: `man alien'
[03:09] <pixil9> apt-get install mplayer-custom
[03:09] <torpid> how can i make alsamixer's settings stay the same for the user level?
[03:10] <torpid> or can i only do it at the system level with alsactl?
[03:10] <crimsun> torpid: system-level. See /var/lib/alsa/asound.state.
[03:10] <phillipc> how can I run the synaptic GUI from the CLI, or from a shortcut? it needs root privelidges but doesn't ask me for a pw
[03:10] <lsuactiafner> torpid : alsactl store
[03:10] <judax> fsapo: go to ubuntuguide.org it will tell you how to install mplayer
[03:10] <lacy> can't amarok play live stream from shoutcast?
[03:10] <fsapo> socomm, what about kino? it installed here withou problems
[03:10] <crimsun> phillipc: use aptitude.
[03:10] <phillipc> crimsun: I just want to execute the gui from a shortcut or the CLI
[03:11] <crimsun> phillipc: gksudo synaptic
[03:11] <socomm> fsapo: I've never used kino, but I know mplayer supports stream dumping.
[03:11] <phillipc> crimsun: thanks
[03:11] <lsuactiafner> socomm : mencoder dvd://1 -o Output.avi -oac mp3lame -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg4:mbd=1
[03:12] <socomm> fsapo: What lsuactiafner  said.
[03:12] <lsuactiafner> mencoder is installed with mplayer
[03:12] <socomm> lsuactiafner: Yes, thanks for the pointer by t he way.
[03:12] <torpid> lsuactiafner how does that help at the user level?
[03:12] <lsuactiafner> np
[03:12] <torpid> lsuactiafner asound.state dosen't have write permisisons except for root.
[03:12] <fsapo> lsuactiafner, ok.. but i m having some problems installing it.. i m gonna try making what says in the guide
[03:13] <torpid> i want every user to be able to save its own settings separately.
[03:13] <lsuactiafner> torpid : not all users are idiots, if you make an OS idiots can use only idiots will use it.. so the person has to su ect.. no big deal
[03:13] <lsuactiafner> oh user as in user... sorry
[03:13] <lsuactiafner> in a crappy moood
[03:13] <lsuactiafner> no idea...
[03:14] <SQL_Sam> lol - how do i get out of a man page?
[03:14] <torpid> lsuactiafner ??
[03:14] <crimsun> torpid: like I said, you can't yet.
[03:14] <lsuactiafner> press q
[03:14] <pixil9> torpid: I'm an idiot because I use ubuntu??
[03:14] <torpid> ahh
[03:14] <SQL_Sam> thanks
[03:14] <torpid> huh?  i never said anything about that.  you mean lsuactiafner ?
[03:14] <socomm> crimsun: Can't the GNOME mixer handle this?
[03:14] <lsuactiafner> rofl
[03:14] <fsapo> lsuactiafner, is there some grafical interface for mplayer to rip dvds?
[03:14] <torpid> crimsun i can live with that.  but i could swear a saved it before and it came back.
[03:15] <crimsun> socomm: gstreamer's? It's still system-wide, even the software volume control.
[03:15] <joda> hey - quick question. when I pres alt+f2, I get a "run application" dialog box. I would like to add a directory to the path that is used in this dialog box. were do I do this?
[03:15] <lsuactiafner> fsapo : look on freshmeat.net for gui stuff
[03:15] <socomm> Hmmm, all right.
[03:15] <torpid> I don't know why you'd ever have alsamixer's volume less than 100%
[03:15] <SQL_Sam> talking movie players what does linux have?
[03:15] <lsuactiafner> but the command line is easy..
[03:15] <torpid> or change the eq for that matter.  that should all be handled by your receiver.
[03:15] <lsuactiafner> trust me.. a gui is for when you have broken fingers..
[03:15] <crimsun> torpid: some ac97s are very poor and distort at levels > 77%
[03:15] <fsapo> lsuactiafner, ok thanx.. now the mplayer is installing
[03:15] <socomm> SQL_Sam: MPlayer, gstreamer, xine, RealPlayer.
[03:16] <lsuactiafner> fsapo : man mencoder or man mplayer to see more shit...
[03:16] <fsapo> lsuactiafner, but is mplayer going to allow to copy a full dvd?
[03:16] <lsuactiafner> fsapo : apt-get install lame
[03:16] <joda> SQL_sam: and vlc
[03:16] <fsapo> lsuactiafner, lame is already installed
[03:16] <socomm> Oh yes, forgot VLC.
[03:16] <SQL_Sam> what plays wmv files?
[03:16] <fsapo> lsuactiafner, i ve installed kino.. do you know it? it seens to have some cool stuff
[03:17] <lsuactiafner> shit i totally fscked my pc up.. opengl is gone poof...
[03:17] <socomm> SQL_Sam: None, out of the box, you'll need to install the win32 codecs.
[03:17] <lsuactiafner> mplayer is voted best media player for linux so i havent bothered with anything else
[03:18] <socomm> MPlayer is by far my favourite media player, since it will allow you to play back anything just about anywhere.
[03:18] <torpid> in the book 1984, did Obrien really ever intend to rebel against the party, or was it all entrapment?
[03:18] <joda> noone has any advice on my question?
[03:18] <socomm> torpid: He just wanted some ass.
[03:18] <SQL_Sam> cool i'll look it up -
[03:19] <Ironfrost> O'Brian was the Inner Party guy that recruited them?
[03:19] <adexta> is KDE very well supported by the ubuntu project?
[03:19] <Ironfrost> I thought he was just a setup by the Party
[03:19] <pixil9> kubuntu.
[03:19] <Ironfrost> adexta - yes, but not officially
[03:19] <socomm> adexta: /join #kubuntu
[03:19] <SQL_Sam> i just saw 1984 like a week ago
[03:19] <adexta> torpid: i think he had a genuine hatred for the system
[03:19] <jubei> I'm using kubuntu, its great
[03:19] <judax> not tonight
[03:19] <SQL_Sam> he wanted ass.....
[03:19] <Ironfrost> there's a project called Kubuntu that will convert your Ubuntu to KDE
[03:19] <transgress>  still cannot get sound on vlc
[03:19] <transgress> grar
[03:20] <Ironfrost> just use Aptitude to install the package kubuntu-desktop
[03:20] <crimsun> joda: usually you wouldn't need to. You can choose a file to pass to it, and you can select the full path using ctrl+l
[03:20] <transgress> is artsd like esd except by kde?
[03:20] <adexta> Ironfrost: is it *well* supported?
[03:20] <transgress> adexta: yes it is _well_ supported
[03:20] <Ironfrost> I've not used it myself, but I haven't heard any complaints
[03:20] <socomm> adexta: kubuntu is not an official project it's a community project.
[03:20] <Ironfrost> and a fair few people seem to be using it
[03:20] <adexta> if it's a mediocre implementation, i am just going to stick with debian
[03:21] <SQL_Sam> i have a question about KDE - i just did the change to kubuntu but i still get the gnome foot print in the top left corner - why?
[03:21] <socomm> SQL_Sam: Are you using KDE?
[03:21] <SQL_Sam> yep
[03:21] <socomm> SQL_Sam: Sounds like you're using GNOME or at least the gnome-panel.
[03:22] <SQL_Sam> how do i check what i'm using?
[03:22] <transgress> does kubuntu have the ubuntu desktop packages?
[03:22] <joda> crimsum: I don't think I understand your answer: I've unpacked the eclipse sdk in my home dir, and it runs fine after I added the dir to the path in my .bashrc. just not in the "run application" window
[03:22] <crimsun> transgress: it certainly has access to ubuntu-desktop
[03:22] <SQL_Sam> well i got a bunch of things starting with k now in my drop downs
[03:23] <crimsun> joda: have you logged out and back in?
[03:23] <joda> yep
[03:23] <judax> SQL_Sam: there is a good post in the Kubuntu web forums that explains how to fix the menus
[03:23] <socomm> joda: Try adding it to your ~/.profile
[03:23] <joda> crimum: I've also tried adding it to the path in my /etc/profile
[03:24] <transgress> what's a good cd burner program for gnome?
[03:24] <judax> SQL_Sam: I would link it, but cant right now
[03:24] <lsuactiafner> ok anyone else finding it impossible to get nvidia-glx with apt-get?
[03:25] <adexta> lsuactiafner: i'll try it
[03:25] <pixil9> lsuactiafner, whats the problem
[03:25] <lsuactiafner> my glx is gone to a bad place where broken software goes..
[03:25] <pixil9> I have it installed now
[03:25] <lsuactiafner> well i screwed about an broke X and glx
[03:25] <lsuactiafner> and now i think i need to reinstall nvidia-glx but apt-get doesnt think it exists
[03:25] <pixil9> Though ubuntu lost my java package i gotta figure that out
[03:26] <lsuactiafner> lol
[03:27] <lsuactiafner> (EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to load GLX
[03:27] <pixil9> I thought you just have to load glx in X
[03:28] <danwolf> HEY Everyone I fixed my HAL problem
[03:28] <danwolf> but... I still have a problem with gnome occasionally locking up on me
[03:29] <danwolf> everything locks, I have to ssh in and restart gdm to get back in
[03:29] <flames> hi, i have a notebook and fn+f9, fn+f10 (brightness control) don't work, how can i decrease the lcd brightness under ubuntu?
[03:29] <danwolf> anyone had that kind of problem?
[03:30] <adexta> danwolf: i've had it before
[03:30] <joda> crimsum - I found a workaround - thanks for your help, though :)
[03:30] <adexta> of course, i run a pentium II 400 MHz
[03:30] <adexta> and it would only happen when i really overloaded the cpu
[03:32] <flames> i think ubuntu rocks, but i going to blind :-(
[03:32] <danwolf> adexta: what did you do?
[03:32] <danwolf> adexta: thats not my problem for sure
[03:32] <danwolf> heh
[03:33] <adexta> danwolf: i became more patient
[03:33] <adexta> danwolf: perhaps you could try changing your keyboard?
[03:33] <adexta> instead of the default, see what you have
[03:33] <fsapo> anyone here uses k3b to rip dvds?
[03:33] <adexta> if it registes your keyboard as a different type, not all the keys will work
[03:34] <Dull404> Hey all,
[03:34] <adexta> as in, "duh".
[03:34] <Dull404> How can I change the gdm screen resolution? (to be same as in gnome)
[03:34] <danwolf> adexta: keyboard?
[03:34] <danwolf> adexta: how would that fix it?
[03:35] <crimsun> Dull404: change the xorg conffile
[03:35] <Sinistrad> so, following the steps in the SetupNdiswrapperHowto, I was able to successfully compile and load the ndiswrapper module (kernel release 2.6.10-5-386) ... but the wlan0 interface still doesn't show up with "iwconfig" ... (card is broadcom BCM4306 chipset -- ndiswrapper -m shows the driver/hardware present).  Any suggestions?
[03:36] <Dull404> crimsun, ok its in there :)
[03:36] <delltony> hi, gotta question. Hear lately i have noticed my system seems to be laggin. as in programs take their sweet time to load sometimes. before things use to popup rather fast. is there anything i should check or a command i could issue. if i understand correctly there is no need to defrag a linux partiton so i'm lookin for ideas
[03:36] <crimsun> Dull404: then restart gdm
[03:37] <delltony> Sinistrad, did you modprobe ndiswrapper?
[03:37] <Dull404> crimsun, yup thanks
[03:37] <evilmegaman> hello, can anyone help me with a cedega problem? The game I installed can't find the cd when it's in the cd rom drive so any help is appreciated
[03:37] <Sinistrad> delltony, of course.  loaded successfully according to both lsmod, /var/log/messages
[03:38] <delltony> what does ifconfig say?
[03:38] <Dull404> This is also strange... its impossible to change the settings for "file-roller" i want it to open .rar files (rar is installed) ...
[03:38] <Sinistrad> ifconfig lists eth0 and lo as interfaces.  iwconfig lists lo, eth0, sit0 with no wireless extensions
[03:40] <delltony> see what sudo iwlist scan will produce for you just curious if it detects anythign is all
[03:41] <Sinistrad> lists those three interfaces, lo, eth0, sit0, with a note by each saying "interface doesn't support scanning"
[03:41] <delltony> ok
[03:41] <delltony> open up sudo nano /etc/network/interfaces
[03:41] <delltony> do you have a listing in there for wlan0?
[03:41] <Sinistrad> no
[03:41] <delltony> add it
[03:42] <cheryl> hi
[03:42] <delltony> apend to the bottom of hte list
[03:42] <cheryl> I've installed Hoary 5.04 but need to print to windows printer
[03:42] <Sinistrad> "iface wlan0 inet dhcp" ?
[03:42] <delltony> yep
[03:42] <cheryl> Printer driver is installed and says printer is ready
[03:42] <delltony> then auto wlan0
[03:42] <Dull404> crimsun, do you have an idea on this? to get rar working with fileroller
[03:43] <cheryl> but when I print nothing happens . doc just sits in queue
[03:43] <Sinistrad> "ifup wlan0" reports SIOCSIFADDR: No such device
[03:43] <delltony> hmm i wonder
[03:43] <delltony> cause i seen this before
[03:43] <joda> another quick question: where is the linux kernel source code located on ubuntu?
[03:44] <delltony> on my dell there is a function f2 key to turn on the radio transmitter
[03:44] <delltony> not sure abut your laptop or whatever but look and see if the physical switch is on for the wireless
[03:44] <abarbaccia> Sinistrad - is your device detected and installed?
[03:45] <Sinistrad> delltony, there's no function of that sort on this particular laptop.
[03:45] <cheryl> help
[03:45] <delltony> ok just eliminating the posibilities
[03:45] <delltony> try this
[03:45] <delltony> go back to  your /etc/network/interfaces
[03:45] <abarbaccia> Sinistrad, i think your answer is lying in the fact that your card probably isn't detected
[03:45] <Sinistrad> abarbaccia, the driver is loaded and the driver utility (ndiswrapper) reports the hardware as present....if that's what you mean.  Are you referring to some more specific clue than that?
[03:45] <abarbaccia> well, yes
[03:46] <abarbaccia> just because the hardware is present doesn't mean the driver is loading correctly
[03:46] <delltony> well since abarbaccia  is gonna help ill set back
[03:46] <abarbaccia> answer this for me, you have ndiswrapper pointing to a sys file, do you have the rest of the driver files in the same directory?
[03:47] <joda> please, can anyone help me with my question?
[03:47] <mob_> hi all, has anyone make to work the "Add shader folder" in hoary?
[03:48] <Sinistrad> I don't know if I can answer that ... I'll make sure I give you correct information -- give me a minute or two and I'll get back to you.
[03:48] <abarbaccia> well, do this
[03:48] <mob_> shared*, my mistake ;)
[03:48] <Dull404> Anyone know how to add .rar support to fileroller ?
[03:48] <abarbaccia> download the driver from the manufactures website and extract the whole thing to a folder called like win_wlan
[03:48] <Sinistrad> abarbaccia, sure :)
[03:48] <joda> dull404: I saw something about installing rar on ubuntuguide.org - haven't tried it myself, though
[03:49] <Dull404> joda, apt-get install rar, that i have done... but not working
[03:49] <cheryl> thank you so much for your help
[03:49] <joda> Dull404: I'm sorry, then I don't know anything that can help you
[03:51] <Dull404> joda, command line works, but i prefer using fileroller... its just more convenient ;)
[03:51] <joda> dull404: that is true :)
[03:51] <Dull404> joda, the strange is, that with my last distro i just installed rar, and it worked :/
[03:52] <transgress> damn it... vlc will not recognize vlc-esd...
[03:53] <transgress> it's like i didn't even install it
[03:54] <stazich> hey guys
[03:54] <transgress> and vlc seems to be the only thing that plays dvd's worth a damn
[03:54] <xfSx> hey i somehow deleted the system tray panel (where music player tray icon goes etc.), wondering how to get it back?
[03:54] <stazich> i am currently using warty, how can i add hoary repositories to my synaptic?
[03:54] <Ironfrost> maybe run vlc with sudo to let it recognise a new piece?
[03:54] <Dull404> transgress, why not mplayer ?
[03:54] <transgress> Dull404: it locks up whenever i try to play a dvd with it
[03:55] <Dull404> transgress, change some settings then, as mplayer "is" the player ;)
[03:56] <transgress> what video codec family should mplayer be on to play dvd's?
[03:58] <Dull404> transgress, how do you mean?
[03:59] <transgress> well there is a section in gmplayer's prefs that say "video codec" or something and has a bunch of choices...
[03:59] <abarbaccia> Sinistrad, the most common problem with ndiswrapper is that people dont extract the whole driver - hope it works out because i gotta run
[04:00] <stazich> i am having a difficulty finding libdbh1.0-dev package in Synaptic... do you think i might have to somehow update it for it to find it? i need this file to install xfce...
[04:00] <Dull404> transgress, i use X11
[04:00] <fsapo> anyone knows how to make the subtitles bigger in totem? the subtitles are in the bottom of the screen and very very small :(
[04:01] <knucks> i cnat eject my cd
[04:01] <knucks> HELP
[04:02] <Dull404> knucks,  unmount
[04:02] <fsapo> knucks, umount /cdrom
[04:02] <knucks> i did..
[04:02] <stazich> i am having a difficulty finding libdbh1.0-dev package in Synaptic... do you think i might have to somehow update it for it to find it? i need this file to install xfce...
[04:02] <mindmedic> fsapo, do you have seperate subtitle files?
[04:02] <Dull404> knucks eject
[04:02] <fsapo> mindmedic, yes i do
[04:02] <transgress> Dull404: my bad wrong section... it's under Codecs and demuxer... Video codec family:
[04:02] <fsapo> mindmedic, the subtitles are ok, but the size is so fuking small =[
[04:02] <transgress> what do you use there?
[04:02] <odyssey> stazich, do you have the universe enabled?
[04:02] <knucks> knucks@linux:~$ eject cdrom1
[04:02] <knucks> eject: unable to eject, last error: Invalid argument
[04:03] <transgress> and how do i add the ndiswrapper module to load at boot?
[04:03] <scorpix> knucks: try sudo eject
[04:03] <Dull404> transgress, the default... let me put in a dvd to see if it works
[04:03] <stazich> i believe so
[04:03] <transgress> Dull404: what is the default?
[04:03] <odyssey> stazich, i dont think you do
[04:03] <stazich> they are marked grey- both deb and source
[04:03] <knucks> ahh that did it
[04:03] <knucks> thanks
[04:04] <cpress> hey all
[04:04] <Dull404> transgress, is on "None"
[04:04] <transgress> Dull404: that's what i was thinking...
[04:04] <transgress> shit still locks up
[04:04] <mindmedic> sry, can't help you with totem... in mplayer there is an option for that... i'm sure theres one for xine too...
[04:05] <stazich> ok, i think i just didnt press "reload" known pakages
[04:05] <stazich> doing it now
[04:05] <cpress> How do I update the Ubuntu to the newest packages?
[04:06] <bob2> you don't, generally
[04:06] <cpress> ?..
[04:06] <bob2> since the point of stable releases is to not use the latest crack
[04:06] <bob2> if you insist, try breezy
[04:06] <mindmedic> cpress, if updates are available you will see an icon in your system tray...
[04:06] <bob2> but be aware that it might be broken
[04:06] <cpress> oh ok
[04:06] <fsapo> nobody knows how to change the subtitles size in totem???
[04:06] <cpress> I am just installing now.
[04:06] <Dull404> transgress, oops, it crashed... i just installed ubuntu yesterday so havent tried this version of mplayer + dvd yet...
[04:06] <transgress> heh
[04:06] <transgress> k
[04:07] <transgress> so it's not just me
[04:07] <Dull404> transgress, i mean ubuntu+mplayer ....
[04:07] <xfSx> stazz, i find it in my synaptic
[04:07] <xfSx> hmm
[04:07] <xfSx> hey i somehow deleted the system tray panel (where music player tray icon goes etc.), wondering how to get it back?
[04:08] <cpress> Does it cost anyhting to get 10 CDs shiped to my house?
[04:08] <XTCboarder> ubuntu cd's?
[04:08] <hypno> xfSx add 'notification area' to the panel
[04:08] <cpress> yes
[04:08] <XTCboarder> i think not
[04:08] <bob2> cpress: no
[04:08] <housetier> they are free
[04:08] <cpress> sweet
[04:08] <housetier> like totally
[04:08] <XTCboarder> i asked for 10 for pc 2 for 64 and 2 for ppc
[04:08] <cpress> I hope this is easy to use.. I have a couple of frineds that wanna learn linux.
[04:09] <cpress> I put them on slackware, lol, not easy.
[04:09] <hypno> lol
[04:09] <stazich> they shipped me 10 altogether fine... it was warty a month ago
[04:09] <xfSx> thanks hypno
[04:09] <cpress> Is this pretty easey?
[04:10] <cpress> easy*
[04:10] <XTCboarder> damn... ifucked my mysql database.... i ran a script that put a pass on the admin and then my machine freezed so i didn't have time to write the thing... :(
[04:10] <XTCboarder> how can i clean that up? (i had no data in the db so i can make it just blank again.... the thing is i don't know how)
[04:10] <nomasteryoda> cpress: it is
[04:10] <housetier> cpress I recommend reading about installation procedure beforehand, then it WILL be easy to install
[04:10] <nomasteryoda> yes
[04:11] <XTCboarder> ubuntu is the easiest linux i've seen
[04:11] <xfSx> how dangerous is it downloading non authenticated package updates?
[04:11] <XTCboarder> linux for your average grandma
[04:11] <XTCboarder> xD
[04:11] <cpress> swwweeeeeeeeeeet
[04:11] <nomasteryoda> XTCboarder: Ubuntu is pretty darned easy thats for sure
[04:11] <neighborlee> is there a current gnome bug that stops newly installed synaptic apps from showing their icon in the menu ?
[04:11] <ax> gnome is a bitch though
[04:11] <xfSx> xtc, what fps you gettin on your glxgears now?
[04:12] <nomasteryoda> neighborlee: you need the menu update script
[04:12] <XTCboarder> hmmm
[04:12] <XTCboarder> lemme see
[04:12] <cpress> Can I install Fluxbox on this beast?
[04:12] <nomasteryoda> found also on apt
[04:12] <nomasteryoda> cpress: yes
[04:12] <karljp> anyone know of any reason I'd need i2c for anything other than video capture cards?
[04:12] <cpress> Killer!!!
[04:12] <cpress> I love fluxbox!
[04:12] <XTCboarder> 170 xD
[04:12] <XTCboarder> but i can see the mac screensaver smooooothly
[04:12] <xfSx> hehe nice 1
[04:13] <hypno> karljp hardware sensors
[04:13] <XTCboarder> i bought the video card cause of that and cause it would free 32 mb on RAM
[04:13] <Dull404> transgress,  do you have libdvdcss?
[04:13] <nomasteryoda> XTCboarder: is that the cool solar winds screensaver you mean?
[04:13] <transgress> is there a way to make it so clicking on the laptop touchpad won't be like left clicking
[04:13] <XTCboarder> how can I clean up my mess? :(
[04:13] <transgress> Dull404: god yes
[04:13] <xfSx> how dangerous is it downloading non authenticated package updates?
[04:13] <karljp> hypno, like mobo temp stuff?
[04:13] <XTCboarder> the "flux" screensaver
[04:13] <Dull404> transgress, ok
[04:13] <transgress> Dull404: i can get vlc playing dvd's... but i can't get it to use esd so i get no sound
[04:13] <hypno> karljp yep
[04:14] <yoink> can anyone give me pointers on how to rip dvd's in ubuntu?
[04:14] <nomasteryoda> transgress: you need the gsynaptics pkg
[04:14] <nomasteryoda> or ksynaptics
[04:14] <nomasteryoda> for touchpads
[04:14] <fsapo> yoink, i m looking for the same thing =/
[04:14] <hypno> xfSx depends on how much you trust who you're getting the packages from
[04:14] <karljp> so I'd need the hardware bus support section modules for my mobo, and also the hardware sensors part, but that's it right?
[04:14] <nomasteryoda> hypno, true
[04:15] <yoink> ive heard transcode, mencoder and dvddecryptor + wine
[04:15] <XTCboarder> anybody how can i clean my mysqltables?
[04:15] <XTCboarder> all of the mysql database.. cause i f*****d root's pass
[04:15] <hypno> karljp yeah more or less.. but if you're compiling the kernel expect some fiddling
[04:15] <XTCboarder> am i gonna have to just reinstall?
[04:15] <fsapo> yoink, just found a program called acidrip .. i m giving it a try
[04:16] <karljp> hypno: any good way of detecting my motherboard chipset?
[04:16] <hypno> XTCboarder reinstall mysql-server, maybe
[04:16] <transgress> nomasteryoda: thanks
[04:16] <hypno> karljp install the lm-sensors package then run sensors-detect
[04:16] <hypno> oh
[04:16] <hypno> chipset i dunno
[04:16] <karljp> that's ok.
[04:16] <karljp> I might just leave all the i2c in then.
[04:17] <yoink> k, i think ive used that before...dont remember the outcome...
[04:17] <yoink> what is underneath that?
[04:17] <transgress> nomasteryoda: i don't see a gsynaptics... just ksynaptics for kde
[04:18] <XTCboarder> damn.....
[04:18] <XTCboarder> :(
[04:19] <anon12> ubuntu killed my hd
[04:19] <odyssey> transgress, how bout qsynaptics it uses qt libraries
[04:19] <anon12> had to reinstall my windows
[04:20] <b2s> bah
[04:20] <b2s> screw getting gsynaptic
[04:20] <b2s> all you need to do is edit xorg.conf
[04:20] <transgress> b2s: woohoo heh
[04:20] <stazich> i am making the necessary upgrades as recommended by synaptic right now... guess what, instead of dloading one upgrade for the Linux-image-powerpc, it downloads three higher versions than mine... why not just dload the later one?? are they different?
[04:20] <transgress> okay what do i need to put?
[04:20] <cpress> is this suppose to take a while?\
[04:20] <transgress> or i could use syndaemon it seems
[04:21] <b2s> in the synaptec touchpad section, just add this line (or replace it if it exists)
[04:21] <b2s>         Option          "MaxTapTime"            "0"
[04:21] <yoink> fsapo, let me know if you can preview in acidrip...i can't
[04:22] <yoink> can anyone tell me why my mplayer might freeze everytime i use it?
[04:22] <cpress> because mplayer has a big in it..
[04:22] <XTCboarder> did you know that if you have linux on hda1 windows will kill it if you install windows? (XP)
[04:23] <XTCboarder> it did to me
[04:23] <cpress> that kinda sucks..
[04:23] <XTCboarder> and it will trick you on doing that
[04:23] <yoink> a big?
[04:23] <transgress> hey b2s: what is the horizscrolldelta option in the same section?
[04:23] <cpress> bug*
[04:23] <cpress> I don't know.. lol
[04:23] <jubei1024> So I compiled and booted my new kernel nicely this time, but x wont start "failed to load the nvidia kernel module" do I have to re-install some packages?
[04:24] <transgress> jubei1024: the nvidia kernel module
[04:24] <yoink> any workaround cpress?
[04:24] <amonkey> how do i make a link from /dev/lcd to my serial port?
[04:24] <b2s> transgress: I have it at 0, but whatever works for you.
[04:24] <cpress> lol
[04:24] <amonkey> to rather
[04:24] <cpress> i was just messing with you, sorry
[04:24] <transgress> b2s: i was just wondering if you knew what it did
[04:24] <b2s> transgress: you probably also want         Option          "SHMConfig"             "on"
[04:24] <transgress> same section?
[04:25] <jubei1024> transgress, ok cool, and what packages do i need for that? I tried removing and installing nvidia-glx again but that didnt help.
[04:25] <b2s> transgress: I think that scroll thing adjusts where the scroll bar/
[04:26] <transgress> where the scroll bar?
[04:26] <transgress> jubei1024: let me take a look
[04:27] <b2s> transgress: your touchpad doesn't have a scroll bar on the right side?
[04:27] <transgress> yeah it does... i was just kinda confused by the sentence... i thought that might be what you meant
[04:27] <transgress> b2s: so if i enable that i can use it?
[04:28] <b2s> eh... mine already works, and is set for 0.  that is just the left-right offset of where it starts
[04:28] <transgress> jubei1024: apt-get install nvidia-glx and then run sudo nvidia-glx-config enable and probably need nvidia-kernel-common if it doesn't do that already
[04:28] <cpress> What is the root passwd?
 I think it averages about 30 seconds to take a 10 second data point with a 5 second settling time.  I'm told once upon a time, you told the equipment to move and then started transfering your data and by the time you were finished you could start measuring again
 <GeekSquad> It's probably spyware, and there's probably a lot.  We recommend reinstalling Windows because there's too much spyware to remove.
[04:29] <b2s> transgress: anyway, once you've set that shm thing to on, you can use "synclient -l" to adjust settings on the fly and see what helps
[04:29] <tritium> jubei1024, you'll have to build your own nvidia module now, since you're not able to use the one in linux-resricted-modules
[04:29] <tritium> (since you built your own kernel)
[04:29] <transgress> b2s: cool thanks
[04:29] <yoink> what mplayer command do i do to start a dvd?
[04:29] <yoink> i tried mplayer dvd://
[04:30] <hyphenated> yoink: dvd://1
[04:30] <hyphenated> or some other title number
[04:30] <jubei1024> tritium: with mandrake I just d/l the drivers from nvidia.com and the installer built a module automatically. Can I do that in ubunut?
[04:30] <tritium> jubei1024, that's not the best approach, no
[04:30] <b2s> transgress: actually, looking at synclient, I see there is a setting for disabling the scroll.  it is "UpDownScrolling".  but may as well restart with SHMConfig on first.
[04:30] <hyphenated> yoink: or use gmplayer or xine
[04:31] <yoink> k, xine works fine, but not mplayer
[04:31] <jubei1024> tritium, ok so are there any guides then? Or can you help? =)
[04:31] <transgress> k
[04:31] <yoink> unfortunately, acidrip uses mplayer for preview
[04:31] <yoink> anyone know a ripping prog that uses xine?
[04:31] <tritium> jubei1024, there are guides, but they're for the general case (most users don't need custom kernels)
[04:32] <jubei1024> tritium, ok, what are the downfalls of using the nvidia installer?
[04:32] <tritium> jubei1024, this is the main guide: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:32] <tritium> jubei1024, it won't be a .deb package, and hence not under package management
[04:32] <transgress> adding SHMConfig to my xorg.conf should look like this right:  Option "SHMConfig" "on" ?
[04:33] <jubei1024> tritium, not a huge prob then is it?
[04:33] <tritium> jubei1024, well, if you run into trouble with it, it'll be unsupported, since it's not in ubuntu main or restricted
[04:33] <b2s> transgress: yes, that's right. it goes in the same inputdevice section as maxtaptime and horizscrolldelta
[04:33] <jubei1024> tritium, that guide doesnt say anything about compiling the modules yourself does it?
[04:34] <tritium> jubei1024, precisely, because few people need to
[04:34] <cpress> can someone msg me the default root passwd?
[04:34] <jubei1024> ok thanks tritium
[04:34] <tritium> jubei1024, not even many ubuntu developers have the need to compile their own kernel.  Why did you need to?
[04:34] <odyssey> cpress, there is not root account
[04:35] <cpress> ?
[04:35] <cpress> nvm I think i got it..
[04:35] <tritium> cpress, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[04:35] <transgress> b2s:  it's telling me it's still off
[04:35] <odyssey> cpress, did you read what the installer said?
[04:35] <b2s> transgress: you restarted X?
[04:35] <transgress> yes
[04:35] <robert82a> is there any utillity that lets me see all the wireless networks my wireless card can connect to, and I mean a real one, not one designed for packet sniffing?
[04:35] <jubei1024> tritium, i want to use this 500hz usb polling patch
[04:36] <robert82a> by packet sniffing i mean war driving or whatever else its called
[04:36] <Dull404> transgress, did you get mplayer to work?
[04:36] <tritium> jubei1024, you're best off installing nvidia-kernel-source, and reading the documentation that comes with it to build a module for your custom kernel
[04:36] <transgress> Dull404: no
[04:37] <Dull404> transgress, me neither :/ not yet....
[04:37] <jubei1024> tritium, I just used the nvidia installer =) seems ok
[04:37] <karljp> what about the binary installer?
[04:37] <karljp> it works pretty good for most people :)
[04:38] <tritium> karljp, it's not an ubuntu package, and thus not the preferred option
[04:38] <karljp> well, the preferred option would be for nvidia to be helpful
[04:39] <karljp> but I'll take ease of use and actual functionality anyday
[04:39] <karljp> doing some things the "proper" way is a waste of time and energy
[04:39] <tritium> karljp, the ubuntu packages are extremely easy to use
[04:39] <karljp> jubeil: did you manage to get an ubuntu package to work?
[04:39] <tritium> jubei1024, used the nvidia installer because he built a custom kernel
[04:40] <tritium> so that's a side case
[04:40] <karljp> oh, so because he has some need for a custom kernel, he now also has to use the hard way to get an nvidia driver?
[04:40] <tritium> karljp, it's as easy as 2 steps to use the ubuntu packages: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:41] <jubei1024> ./run_NVIDA_installer is hard?
[04:41] <tritium> jubei1024, don't put words in my mouth
[04:41] <GoneBoB> jubei1024: no
[04:41] <karljp> tritium: didn't you say that because he was on acustom kernel he couldn't use those packages?
[04:42] <odyssey> hey look a hedgehog
[04:42] <transgress> Dull404: apt-get install totem-xine and use totem to play dvd's
[04:42] <jubei1024> thanks for your help tritium, I appreciate it.
[04:42] <transgress> it's working great
[04:42] <tritium> karljp, yes, I told him he could have used nvidia-kernel-source instead
[04:42] <tritium> jubei1024, no problem :)
[04:42] <ax> ass: nambla ain't shit, the taliban are the shit
[04:42] <ax> oops
[04:42] <ax> that was a joke and ment to go somewhere else
[04:42] <odyssey> ax is a terrorist
[04:42] <yoink> anyone know a ripping prog that uses xine?
[04:43] <yoink> for preview
[04:43] <Amaranth> ripping what?
[04:43] <ax> ha
[04:44] <joda> hey - can someone tell me how I find out if the vpn kernel module is loaded_
[04:44] <joda> ?
[04:44] <djone|away> north american man boy love ass.?
[04:44] <karljp> lsmod | grep vpn?
[04:44] <djone|away> joda, lsmod
[04:44] <joda> thanks :)
[04:45] <yoink> Amaranth, ripping DVD's
[04:46] <ax> yoink: you could use dvdrip, just tell it to use xine i figure
[04:46] <xfSx> my ubuntu file assocations are messed up, when i try to pick a new app (vlc for movies) it says can't add application to database
[04:46] <Amaranth> djone|away: wtf was that?
[04:46] <Levander> Has anybody else noticed reduced memory consumption after upgrading to Hoary from Warty?
[04:46] <yoink> ax, ok thanks ill give it a shot
[04:46] <Amaranth> Levander: Most people say it's the other way around.
[04:47] <Amaranth> Levander: I didn't really notice a difference because I used apps that mangle the heap.
[04:47] <Amaranth> s/used/use/
[04:47] <stazich> hey
[04:47] <Levander> not for me, it's wierd, i've never even see the cached memory get up to my physical limit of 512
[04:47] <yoink> ax, dvdrip cant be installed w/ synaptic bc transcode isnt available...i forgot this was a problem
[04:48] <Levander> guess I'm just lucky
[04:48] <stazich> is Forcing to use ALSA driver for XFCE mixer in the XFCE installation a good idea if i use an iMac which better supports oss?
[04:48] <ax> yoink: ahh, yeah, i'm not using ubuntu, i'm just on this channel cux i installed it for my girlfriend
[04:48] <Levander> the new system fonts in hoary rock, look much clearer
[04:48] <Amaranth> "If the heap is UUxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxU (Used, x=free), then all that x=free space is at best swapped out (very bad); when the far right Used space is freed, the thing will finally shrink the heap and return it to the system. I've seen this cause Nautilus to use 300M of memory (RSS) after it had to delete 6000 files; good news being it won't allocate any MORE memory until it's used the empty area. This is likely also why Firefox eats about 40M at sta
[04:48] <Amaranth> rt-up and 100M later, then stops growing but won't shrink either."
[04:48] <Amaranth> wow, that was too long
[04:49] <ax> yoink: you can always compile it from source :)
[04:49] <nnonix> d
[04:49] <gbhat> hi ppl
[04:49] <karljp> levander: do you know how to just grow them a bit?
[04:49] <delltony> i'm not sure how to ask this so ill do my best you now how you have modules that autorun on bootup i know there was a directory somwhere on the system that had numbers like 050 or whatever. and that was the slot in which the module ran. any one have any idea of this. Cause i remember moving like ndiswrapper to a higher lower number and such.
[04:49] <gbhat> latest kde updates broken?
[04:49] <yoink> yeah, actually its harder than it looks
[04:49] <Levander> karljp: grow what?
[04:50] <karljp> the system fonts
[04:50] <yoink> ive had trouble getting "libz" which it asks for
[04:50] <Amaranth> yoink: I'll get you a finx.
[04:50] <karljp> my xterm default font is pretty, but a bit small
[04:50] <ax> finx?
[04:50] <Amaranth> Oh, no I won't
[04:50] <gbhat> are the latest kde updates broken?
[04:50] <karljp> and the medium/large fonts are just ugly
[04:50] <Amaranth> fix
[04:50] <Levander> karljp: in hoary, System -> Fonts
[04:50] <gbhat> "trying to overwrite `/usr/share/icons/default.kde', which is also in package knetworkconf" is the error I get when I install the latest KDE updates
[04:51] <ax> ahh.. isn't there a transcode deb?
[04:51] <Levander> karljp: actually, System -> Preferences -> Font
[04:51] <Levander> karljp: looks like you can not only resize them, but change them in there
[04:51] <yoink> not in my synaptic, which has all the universe and multiverse repos
[04:52] <gbhat> anyone in here using kubuntu?
[04:52] <Amaranth> yoink: You need the marillat repository.
[04:52] <thegreedyturtle> delltony /etc/X11/Xsession.d
[04:52] <gbhat> Amaranth, nice work on the gnome menu editor
[04:52] <Levander> gbhat: you know there's a kubuntu channel
[04:52] <Amaranth> gbhat: I try. :)
[04:52] <delltony> ok thanks
[04:52] <cens0red> I've got a partition on another drive that is designated as Linux swap space. How do I mount it?
[04:52] <gbhat> Amaranth, still no way to edit what synaptic put in there eh?
[04:52] <Levander> cens0red: you don't
[04:53] <cens0red> Levander I don't?
[04:53] <Amaranth> gbhat: You mean the Debian menu?
[04:53] <cens0red> don't I need swap space?
[04:53] <delltony> yep thats it thegreedyturtle thanks
[04:53] <thegreedyturtle> deltony: you can do system -> preferences -> session tab startup
[04:53] <Levander> cens0red: i believe you just tell fdisk to use it as swap
[04:53] <gbhat> Amaranth, yeah.  gobbledegook in bnoth GNOME and KDE
[04:53] <Levander> cens0red: let me check something
[04:53] <gbhat> some KDE entries in gnome and all gnome entires in KDE
[04:53] <delltony> if i was running gnome i sure could ;)
[04:53] <delltony> but i'm not running gnome :D
[04:53] <karljp> hmm, xterm doesn't behave as well as gnome-terminal for fonts
[04:53] <Amaranth> gbhat: Out of my hands. The library I use to get info about the menus doesn't support it so I can't.
[04:53] <xfSx> my ubuntu file assocations are messed up, when i try to pick a new app (vlc for movies) it says can't add application to database
[04:54] <gbhat> shadows and translucency works great in KDE3.4 but Gnome is real finicky
[04:54] <cens0red> samlowry_ ha. I know that reference.
[04:54] <samlowry_> thanks
[04:54] <gbhat> brb
[04:54] <karljp> aka, at all.
[04:54] <karljp> also, stupid stupid layout bugs
[04:54] <Amaranth> gbhat: In breezy (with GNOME 2.12) I should be able to use the same library the actual menu uses so that should help.
[04:54] <Levander> cens0red: you don't mount it with the normal mount command, I assume if you run a "sudo /sbin/fdisk -l /dev/hd?", the partition's type is already 82?
[04:54] <karljp> that font prefs panel is busted if you make the font too big
[04:55] <karljp> gahh, who do you report UI bugs to?
[04:55] <Levander> cens0red: then I believe you just have to have a /etc/fstab entry like: /dev/hda6       none            swap    sw              0       0
[04:55] <yoink> Amaranth, i can figure out how to get that from the ubuntu pages, right?
[04:55] <cens0red> Levander I just did a $fdisk -l. And yes, there is an 82 in the listing.
[04:56] <Amaranth> yoink: Probably from the ubuntu guide even.
[04:56] <hypno> karljp: probably someone's bugzilla
[04:56] <karljp> probably :)
[04:56] <Levander> cens0red: do you have a /etc/fstab entry for the swap partition?
[04:56] <karljp> this is my problem with linux, on windows, if I had a bug, I just put up with it, but now I spend all this time filing and narrowing down bugs and reporting them.
[04:57] <cens0red> Levander no I don't.
[04:57] <Levander> cens0red: like in my next comment after the fdisk one
[04:57] <karljp> I'm not sure what's a better use of my time.
[04:57] <cens0red> Levander should I do $sudo nano /etc/fstab and paste that stuff in?
[04:57] <Levander> cens0red: I think that's all you need, then try a "sudo mount /dev/hda6", and see if it works without rebooting.  If doesn't work, gotta reboot
[04:57] <] BreliC[> question: i installed nfs, and portmap is running, but according the faq, i should edit /etc/default/portmap... problem is, it doesn't exist
[04:58] <bur[n] er> anyone know how to set the horizontal and vertical spacing for desktop icons??
[04:58] <] BreliC[> am i delusional?
[04:58] <Levander> cens0red: You have to change /dev/hda6 to whatever device your swap partition is.
[04:58] <xfSx> no one know how to fix file associations for mpgs?
[04:58] <gbhat> well #kubuntu  has gone to sleep
[04:58] <Amaranth> gbhat: In breezy (with GNOME 2.12) I should be able to use the same library the actual menu uses so that should help.
[04:58] <Levander> cens0red: And, I'd type it in by hand and not copy and paste.  Line up tabs and spaces with the other entries in /etc/fstab
[04:58] <bur[n] er> xfSx: right click it, properties, open with
[04:59] <adexta> what's the equivalent of artsplay in gnome?
[04:59] <transgress> is there a gnome program for viewing wireless networks?
[04:59] <bur[n] er> adexta: esd
[04:59] <gbhat> but I thought 2.12 would have its own menu editor
[04:59] <transgress> ala kwifimanager but for gnome
[04:59] <cens0red> Levander it is /dev/hd6
[04:59] <Amaranth> adexta: What is artsplay?
[04:59] <transgress> or even something like ksimet
[04:59] <transgress> kismet
[04:59] <bur[n] er> transgress: wifi radar
[04:59] <Levander> cens0red: it can't be /dev/hd6
[04:59] <Amaranth> gbhat: Manny is working on it, it might not make it.
[04:59] <xfSx> doesn't work burner, it tells me can't add application to database when i try and add vlc for mpg
[04:59] <Levander> cens0red: gotta be something like /dev/hda6
[04:59] <transgress> aptable bur[n] er ?
[04:59] <Amaranth> gbhat: Besides, maybe mine will be better. :)
[04:59] <cens0red> Levander sorry /dev/hda6
[04:59] <gbhat> Amaranth, hope so :)
[04:59] <bur[n] er> transgress: unfortunately, no
[04:59] <transgress> bleh
[04:59] <bur[n] er> the gnome-network applet can do wireless stuff
[04:59] <cens0red> Levander errr ... I mean /dev/hdb6 sorry
[05:00] <tritium> adexta, it would be esdplay in esound-clients
[05:00] <gbhat> any news on a decent CD burner app for Gnome? I use gnomebaker now
[05:00] <bur[n] er> but it doesn't show you signal strength or nearby networks
[05:00] <adexta> tritium: thanks.
[05:00] <bur[n] er> gbhat: gnomebaker & graveman
[05:00] <tritium> gbhat, gnomebaker and graveman
[05:00] <gbhat> thanks guys but what are the plans for 2.12? gnome needs a k3b type app for itself by default
[05:00] <Levander> cens0red: so yeah, make a backup of /etc/fstab to something like /etc/fstab.dist, then edit the file, then try the mount command, then if it doesn't work try rebooting
[05:00] <gbhat> I use gnomebaker now
[05:01] <bur[n] er> back to gnome 2.12 and the menu... will there be right click properties to adjust .desktop files?
[05:01] <] BreliC[> anyone?  help with nfs/portmap?
[05:01] <Levander> cens0red: if then rebooting doesn't work, try using the grub menu to boot into the "safe" version of your kernel
[05:01] <Levander> cens0red: and restore your back up'd /etc/fstab, then reboot again
[05:01] <bur[n] er> gbhat: gnomebaker is as good as it gets... it's relatively new... what's wrong with it?
[05:01] <gbhat> the only thing that drags me back to Ubuntu from MDK, solaris10,BeOS installed on this system is shadows and translucency
[05:01] <cens0red> Legendre I just did what u proscribe, and did a $sudo mount -a . No errors. Does that mean my swap space is now mounted?
[05:01] <cens0red> Levander  I just did what u proscribe, and did a $sudo mount -a . No errors. Does that mean my swap space is now mounted?
[05:01] <gbhat> bur[n] er, it is a separate install?
[05:02] <gbhat> bur[n] er, I wanted to know id gnome2.12 would have a default cd burner app
[05:02] <bur[n] er> u don't have it?
[05:02] <bur[n] er> nautilus cd burner?
[05:02] <bur[n] er> just apt-get gnomebaker :)
[05:02] <gbhat> yeah yeah I did
[05:02] <bur[n] er> who cares if it's "default"
[05:02] <bur[n] er> it works
[05:02] <Amaranth> Coaster is going to be the "default" eventually
[05:02] <zul> cens0red: to turn on swap do the following sudo swapon -a
[05:02] <gbhat> takes away slightly from the completeness
[05:03] <gbhat> lol@coaster
[05:03] <Amaranth> If it makes it in time for even 2.14 I'd be surprised.
[05:03] <gbhat> nice name
[05:03] <Levander> cens0red: open system monitor, go to the resources tab, look at how much swap it says you have
[05:03] <gbhat> I aint dissing mind you
[05:04] <cens0red> Levander used 4.5MB of 6.8 GB
[05:04] <Levander> cens0red: is 6.8 GB more than you had before?
[05:05] <cens0red> Levander to be honest, I don't know heh.
[05:05] <bur[n] er> 6.8 GIGS of swap?!?
[05:05] <bur[n] er> lol
[05:05] <cens0red> bur[n] er is that extravigant?
[05:05] <amonkey> how do i free up /dev/ttys0 so that pilot-xfer (out of the repos) can bind to it?
[05:05] <bur[n] er> yes
[05:05] <Levander> cens0red: bur[n] er is right, you don't need nearly that much
[05:05] <bur[n] er> general rule... double your ram
[05:05] <Levander> cens0red: 512MB of swap should be way more than enough
[05:05] <bur[n] er> 512 ram == 1024 swap
[05:05] <bur[n] er> or yeah
[05:05] <bur[n] er> that works too
[05:05] <karljp> double your ram is excessive these days isn't it?
[05:05] <cens0red> Levander oh well I've got it now.
[05:05] <xfSx> bur[n] er when i do try and add vlc for mpg it fails with error unable to add application to database
[05:05] <bur[n] er> karljp: probably
[05:06] <bur[n] er> xfSx: let me test with vlc
[05:06] <mginou> note, too much swap can be a problem (really)
[05:06] <Levander> cens0red: would be easy to delete that partition, and make it into on small one, ~512MB, and one big one, that would have like 6.3 GB on it, more than enough to install an entire other operating system
[05:06] <bur[n] er> xfSx: works for me
[05:06] <bur[n] er> u sure vlc is installed correctly?
[05:06] <bur[n] er> right click open with... then pick vlc?
[05:07] <bur[n] er> /usr/bin/vlc
[05:07] <Levander> cens0red: unmount it before you delete it
[05:07] <yoink> Amaranth, im having trouble with the public key...dont get it
[05:07] <Amaranth> yoink: I don't use the marillat repository, so I dunno. Is it an error or a warning?
[05:07] <gbhat> darn! sound no worky in Hoary again
[05:08] <gbhat> brb
[05:08] <xfSx> 'vlc for gnome ' wxvlc
[05:08] <Levander> cens0red: and note that the geek way to check if swap has been recognized is that there's probably a file in /proc that lists information saying how much swap you have.  The System Monitor way I'm sure is fine though, just recommended it because I already had System Monitor open on my desktop, and could tell you easily
[05:08] <cens0red> Levander I probably should heh. So what should I do with a 6.3GB partition?
[05:08] <xfSx> hmm shame
[05:08] <bur[n] er> xfSx: "gvlc" too
[05:08] <yoink> well, yeah, it needs a public key
[05:08] <Amaranth> yoink: http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[05:08] <yoink> when i follow the directions to doing that i get another error
[05:09] <Levander> I swear hoary is using less memory on my machine, I have never seen firefox use less than 115 MB of RAM on my machine.  Right now it's using 92.7 MB of RAM.  I may not even have to buy more memory now....
[05:09] <bur[n] er> yoink: disregard key errors
[05:09] <bur[n] er> Levander: get opera :)
[05:09] <Levander> cens0red: you could be lazy and do it later, but for me, there always comes a time down the road when I want the space
[05:09] <yoink> but it doesnt load the repository then
[05:09] <Amaranth> Levander: You just got lucky.
[05:09] <bur[n] er> cens0red: you could always use gparted to change the sizes
[05:10] <cens0red> bur[n] er gparted? Ok.
[05:10] <Levander> cens0red: since your just using it for swap, would be easy to "resize" later, you don't have the normal concerns about making partitions to small or to big since it's just swap
[05:10] <Amaranth> Levander: It's a mangled heap issue. If you have UUxxxxxxxxxxxxU where U is used and x is free on the heap that whole section will be assigned to the app. This is why firefox and nautilus eat RAM.
[05:10] <Amaranth> Levander: If that last U get freed somehow it'll shrink the UU.
[05:10] <yoink> bur[n] er, nevermind, i think you're right
[05:10] <cens0red> Levander so I can resize it without having to worry about re formatting?
[05:10] <bur[n] er> yoink: i know ;)
[05:11] <gbhat> what is the latest on gdesklets on Hoary?
[05:11] <bur[n] er> cens0red: correct... especially with gparted
[05:11] <Levander> cens0red: no, you'll have to reformat
[05:11] <gbhat> they dont seem to be working correctly
[05:11] <bur[n] er> Levander: not true... use gparted
[05:11] <Levander> cens0red: and it's not really a "resize" like you would do with parted.  It's more a delete one partition and create two new ones for you
[05:11] <crimsun> Dull404: have you used unrar?
[05:12] <WildTangent> does anyone here have experience using Wine? i cant seem to get programs listed on their gold list to work
[05:12] <yoink> bur[n] er, since your so smart, i got another question
[05:12] <Levander> bur[n] er: I'd recommend him not use parted because he doesn't really need it, it's more complicated and not as safe
[05:12] <gbhat> WildTangent, whatcha want to use?
[05:12] <bur[n] er> parted is safe
[05:12] <bur[n] er> i use it regularly
[05:12] <WildTangent> Paint Shop Pro for now
[05:12] <bur[n] er> and it's a gui
[05:12] <yoink> bur[n] er, transcode:
[05:12] <yoink>  Depends: libavcodeccvs but it is not going to be installed
[05:12] <tritium> WildTangent, have you tried using both winetools and wine from winehq.com? (wine in universe is not compatible with winetools from winehq.com)
[05:12] <gbhat> WildTangent, using latest wine?
[05:12] <yoink> thats my error du jour
[05:12] <Levander> Amaranth: you gotta link about what your talking about with the memory, I'm just elated how much less memory I'm using, and want to hear about what's going on for everybody else.  Is possible I can even figure out why I'm lucky
[05:13] <bur[n] er> yoink: whatcha trying to install?
[05:13] <cens0red> Levander and bur[n] er hey I was getting sytem bottlenecks before. Desktop kept seizing up. Thought it might be because I had no swap space enabled. Good assumption?
[05:13] <WildTangent> im not sure, i got it with APT
[05:13] <yoink> transcode
[05:13] <bur[n] er> cens0red: could be, if you have low ram
[05:13] <Amaranth> Levander: heap == memory :)
[05:13] <tritium> WildTangent, you'd know if you setup apt to see the winehq repositories
[05:13] <gbhat> WildTangent, you got it installed already?
[05:13] <bur[n] er> yoink: i have no idea what transcode is ;)
[05:13] <WildTangent> yes
[05:13] <cens0red> bur[n] er 256meg
[05:13] <Amaranth> WildTangent: Why do games created with you suck? :)
[05:14] <bur[n] er> yoink: maybe a broken package
[05:14] <WildTangent> ?
[05:14] <gbhat> what error do you get WildTangent ?
[05:14] <bur[n] er> cens0red: prolly a safe assumption
[05:14] <Levander> cens0red: is very possible, but any more than 512 MB of swap isn't going to help.  If you're swapping 512 MB of RAM, you're system is going to be slow as shit.  I max mine out at 100 MB, figuring if I swap more than that, I'm hosed anyway.
[05:14] <thundrcleeze> Amaranth, probably because WildTangent sucks and is full of adware.
[05:14] <WildTangent> Amaranth, elaborate...
[05:14] <gbhat> I always set my swap to 512MB
[05:14] <yoink> ax, any ideas on this error?
[05:14] <yoink> transcode:
[05:14] <Levander> Amaranth: I understood what you said, just would like to read more.
[05:14] <yoink>  Depends: libavcodeccvs but it is not going to be installed
[05:14] <WildTangent> i dont seem to get any errors
[05:14] <bur[n] er> yoink: apt-get install libavcodeccvs
[05:14] <Amaranth> yoink: sudo apt-get install libavcodeccvs so we can use the error it's getting
[05:14] <gbhat> so what is the problem WildTangent ?
[05:14] <WildTangent> the programs just dont show up in Wines "windows" folder
[05:14] <Amaranth> Levander: I don't know what else to way...
[05:15] <cens0red> Levander so excessive swap space is bad! bad! BAD!! ?
[05:15] <stazich> what shell command would i use for LS to show file sizes in a directory?
[05:15] <gbhat> WildTangent, does it run fine from the command prompt?
[05:15] <bur[n] er> stazich: ls -l
[05:15] <] BreliC[> Do I only need nfs-common to set up nfs?
[05:15] <WildTangent> yes
[05:15] <Amaranth> stazich: du
[05:15] <bur[n] er> stazich: ls -lh
[05:15] <WildTangent> it begins installing, then i close the window, but theres nothing in the windows folder and program files
[05:16] <gbhat> WildTangent, why not let it complete? DId you run wineboot afterwards?
[05:16] <Levander> cens0red: no, it's not bad, it's just that you won't ever need that much swap.  After you run out of physical ram, your OS starts using your hard disk as RAM.  It starts "swapping" memory out to disk.  The hard disk being mechanical is a *lot* slower than your electronic RAM.  If you're swapping out gigs of RAM, you system has something really wrong
[05:16] <WildTangent> maybe my memory has gaps, i tried this first late at night
[05:16] <WildTangent> wineboot?
[05:16] <gbhat> WildTangent, wineboot simulates a windows reboot
[05:16] <WildTangent> ah...
[05:16] <gbhat> it is necessary to complete some program installations on wine
[05:16] <Levander> cens0red: It's just that it's a waste of disk space is all.  But, if you don't need it for now, go ahead and be lazy, unless your just curious about getting it done better, etc.
[05:16] <WildTangent> hold on...
[05:16] <yoink> Amaranth, output in #flood
[05:17] <WildTangent> would physically rebooting the system accomplish the same thing?
[05:17] <gbhat> WildTangent, no :D
[05:17] <gbhat> that is the beauty of wine
[05:17] <Levander> ] BreliC[: when you install nfs via apt-get, it will tell you and install itself nfs-common if you need it
[05:17] <cens0red> Levander well I have stuff to do. But I expect I will get around to it. I haven't got infinite disk space either.
[05:17] <gbhat> WildTangent, run wineboot from a console and see what happens
[05:17] <Levander> cens0red: yeah, know what you mean
[05:18] <] BreliC[> Levander, ahh, thanks.. so just apt-get nfs ?
[05:18] <yoink> Amaranth, its like a never ending chasing after the wind, eh?
[05:18] <Levander> ] BreliC[: sudo apt-get install nfs
[05:18] <helloyo> is anyone here handy with openoffice graphs?
[05:18] <cens0red> Levander and bur[n] er thanks.
[05:18] <] BreliC[> Levander, hehe, yeah, that's what i meant.. just tired ;)
[05:18] <gbhat> anyone use Kino?
[05:18] <Dull404> crimsun, yeah i figured it out. i forgot "rar" is split into rar and unrar ;)
[05:18] <Amaranth> yoink: It's just because these apps weren't meant for Ubuntu and now sid has moved past hoary.
[05:18] <Amaranth> yoink: I think, anyway.
[05:18] <gbhat> I get a segfault when closing the kino program as regular user but not as sudo
[05:18] <Amaranth> Dull404: Actually, no.
[05:19] <WildTangent> command not found
[05:19] <Levander> cens0red: bur[n] er was right though in telling you you don't need that much, you should probably know that it is excessive even if it's not important to fix it.  If you didn't know, all your geek friends would laugh at you when you saw that.
[05:19] <gbhat> WildTangent, whereis wine
[05:19] <yoink> Amaranth, recommendations?
[05:19] <bur[n] er> anyone know where to get java deb packages for use with azureus?
[05:19] <WildTangent> usr/libs i believe
[05:19] <Amaranth> Dull404: iirc rar is the non-free version that works with all files (rar -x file.rar) and unrar is the Free version that doesn't work with newer files
[05:19] <gbhat> WildTangent, do a whereis wine
[05:19] <Amaranth> yoink: Not a one, sorry.
[05:19] <Levander> Amaranth: did I miss a link about that memory issue, have been doing a couple of other things...
[05:19] <GoneBoB> Levander: it's not that simple
[05:19] <tritium> bur[n] er, Method 2: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java
[05:19] <bur[n] er> and rar non-free doesn't work with file-roller
[05:19] <bur[n] er> :\
[05:19] <Amaranth> Levander: Nope, because I don't understand what you want.
[05:19] <bur[n] er> though it's fixed in cvs
[05:19] <cens0red> Levander I see what you mean. I should keep this embarrassing little gaff a secret then.
[05:19] <GoneBoB> it doesn't use it after it runs out
[05:19] <Dull404> Amaranth, i know but for use with fileroller, i had to install unrar :(
[05:20] <WildTangent> http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=72119&st=75&p=829478&#entry829478
[05:20] <WildTangent> oops
[05:20] <WildTangent> lol
[05:20] <Amaranth> bur[n] er: Really? It appears to work for me...
[05:20] <GoneBoB> Levander: when memory is unused after a certain time
[05:20] <Levander> Amaranth: you're talking about some memory bug present in hoary, wanted to read more about it
[05:20] <GoneBoB> it will swap to desk
[05:20] <GoneBoB> disk
[05:20] <WildTangent> usr/bin/wine
[05:20] <bur[n] er> Amaranth: hoary? or breezy?
[05:20] <Amaranth> Levander: It's not a bug, it's the way malloc() works.
[05:20] <gbhat> WildTangent, /usr/bin/wineboot on my box
[05:20] <GoneBoB> to allow that memory to be used as cache/buffers
[05:20] <Levander> GoneBoB: he just asked if he needed nfs-common, apt-get will tell him
[05:20] <thundrcleeze> I have it but I don't use it, gbhat
[05:20] <Amaranth> bur[n] er: breezy but nothing GNOME related has new versions
[05:20] <gbhat> thundrcleeze, run it as user and letme know if it segfaults just by opening and closing it
[05:20] <Levander> GoneBoB: yeah, I know, but didn't want to explain all the details, go for it if you want to
[05:20] <Dull404> Amaranth, nope rar non-free doesnt work with file-roller
[05:21] <Amaranth> Dull404: Got a bug number?
[05:21] <gbhat> WildTangent, then run it as /usr/bin/wineboot
[05:21] <Dull404> Amaranth, nope
[05:21] <thundrcleeze> should I open a file when it's open, gbhat?
[05:21] <gbhat> nope thundrcleeze just open and close
[05:21] <Levander> Amaranth: so even warty was like that?  I thought you were trying to explain why most people have higher memory use in Hoary than Warty?
[05:21] <Levander> (except for me)
[05:21] <Amaranth> Levander: warty was the same, yes.
[05:22] <gbhat> Levander, how much RAM you got?
[05:22] <Amaranth> Levander: So was foo distro from 1992.
[05:22] <thundrcleeze> then no problems for me, gbhat
[05:22] <WildTangent> its not there
[05:22] <Levander> gbhat: 512 MB RAM
[05:22] <gbhat> tis slow even with 512MB RAM?
[05:22] <Levander> Amaranth: okay, thanks
[05:22] <gbhat> ahh thundrcleeze thanks. some problem on my end. You got firewire on your PC thundrcleeze ?
[05:22] <thundrcleeze> Yes I do.
[05:22] <pakkiri> warty was faster
[05:22] <gbhat> onboard firewire?
[05:22] <pakkiri> with hoary my system is very slow
[05:23] <thundrcleeze> gbhat, with the audigy card.
[05:23] <bur[n] er> thanks tritium
[05:23] <WildTangent> just ran /usr/bin/wine and got this
[05:23] <gbhat> I got composite enabled and even shadows and transparency. KDE3.4 flies
[05:23] <gbhat> WildTangent, not wine
[05:23] <WildTangent> shit, wont copy.
[05:23] <skel_home> ok, after reading through the faq and doing the usualy with ssh X11 forwarding, I still can't get it to work.. am I missing something specific to ubuntu?
[05:23] <gbhat> wineboot
[05:23] <WildTangent> wineboot isnt there
[05:23] <gbhat> WildTangent, then try installing wineutils
[05:23] <WildTangent> how?
[05:24] <gbhat> sudo apt-get install  wineutils
[05:24] <skel_home> I've enabled X11 forwarding in /etc/ssh/sshd_config and made sure my .Xauthority file is good, there's nothing in /etc/hosts.deny or /etc/hosts.allow
[05:24] <gbhat> sudo apt-get install  wine-utils
[05:24] <tritium> winetools are a lot easier to use...
[05:24] <gbhat> not wineutils
[05:24] <skel_home> and I've tried ssh -X & ssh -Y host
[05:24] <WildTangent> couldnt find ut
[05:24] <WildTangent> *it
[05:25] <WildTangent> it must be something else
[05:25] <skel_home> but any X based app I execute cannot connect to the server
[05:25] <skel_home> any ideas?
[05:25] <gbhat> WildTangent, wine-utils
[05:25] <gbhat> not wineutils my bad
[05:25] <WildTangent> huzzah
[05:26] <gbhat> WildTangent, now try running wineboot
[05:26] <Dull404> skel_home, sshd: ALL , in hosts.allow ?
[05:26] <WildTangent> shibby
[05:27] <Levander> Did anybody else lose the icons for the trash and the "show desktop" panel applets?
[05:27] <skel_home> Dull404: does it need to be? I've never had to do that before.. I'll give it a shot though
[05:27] <gbhat> shibby =  good or bad?
[05:27] <Levander> When they upgraded to hoary
[05:27] <WildTangent> its doing something, thats encouraging :)
[05:27] <gbhat> lol
[05:27] <thundrcleeze> Does anyone else have a problem with rhythmbox where you select an online stream and it "buffers" endlessly?
[05:27] <WildTangent> hmm, seems to have stopped...
[05:27] <WildTangent> :(
[05:27] <skel_home> Dull404: still nothing =/
[05:28] <gbhat> WildTangent,  let it do its thing
[05:28] <gbhat> thundrcleeze, always does it the first time
[05:28] <] BreliC[> Levander, apt-get install nfs gives me an error.. Couldn't find package.  I have multiverse and universe enabled
[05:28] <WildTangent> its not doing anything, just stopped dead
[05:28] <gbhat> WildTangent, no error nothing?
[05:28] <WildTangent> nope
[05:28] <Dull404> skel_home, hm.. im not that familiar with sshd, but does it need a data port to be opened in the firewall? an extra
[05:28] <thundrcleeze> gbhat, what do you mean?  It doesn't do that for you?
[05:29] <kamikazi> well i'm thinkin' to switch to ubuntu from gentoo cause i really got tuff from compilation each package i want to install, is ubuntu based on debian so that i can use apt-get as in debian ??
[05:29] <gbhat> thundrcleeze, it always does it for me the first time I try to run an audio stream
[05:29] <WildTangent> starting doing stuff in the terminal, and it stopped, i can enter any commands right now
[05:29] <Dull404> kamikazi, yes it is
[05:29] <thundrcleeze> gbhat, then you click stop and try it again and it works?
[05:29] <gbhat> WildTangent, then it is done :)
[05:29] <skel_home> Dull404: not with -X / -Y , no
[05:29] <gbhat> thundrcleeze, have to close it and start it again
[05:30] <skel_home> Dull404: it's supposed to forward the X protocol through the existing connection
[05:30] <WildTangent> theres a few error 193s
[05:30] <Levander> ] BreliC[: well then the package is probably not called nfs.  "apt-cache search nfs" to find relevant packages
[05:30] <gbhat> 193s?
[05:31] <gbhat> WildTangent, if you dont mind, uninstall and reinstall Photoshop
[05:31] <Dull404> skel_home, ok, i dont know then.... I would skip X ;)
[05:31] <gbhat> uninstaller should bring up the Add/Remove Programs for wine
[05:31] <WildTangent> still nothing in program files :(
[05:31] <WildTangent> and how do i uninstall if its not there?
[05:31] <skel_home> Dull404: heh =P
[05:31] <yoink> speaking of rhythmbox, can anyone get it to play .m4a files?
[05:31] <gbhat> WildTangent, from a command prompt type uninstaller
[05:32] <thundrcleeze> gbhat, this is the third time I've done that, and it's still buffering endlessly.  Are there any other shoutcast-compatable players for x besides xmms and rhythmbox?
[05:32] <gbhat> thundrcleeze, hmm what about muine?
[05:32] <Dull404> skel_home, "unsafe" ..well kind of ;)
[05:32] <WildTangent> what the flip is that? and where do i get it
[05:32] <gbhat> WildTangent, it is a part of wine
[05:32] <WildTangent> i still havent figured out how to uninstall anything on linux
[05:32] <gbhat> thundrcleeze, whatcha dont like about xmms?
[05:33] <WildTangent> i need to get rid of XMMS too
[05:33] <WildTangent> it doesnt work
[05:33] <gbhat> WildTangent, if you are on Ubuntu apt-get remove <programname>
[05:33] <Levander> WildTangent: "sudo apt-get remove <package>" the --purge option also remove the configuration files for the package
[05:33] <skel_home> Dull404: tunneled through an encrypted channel? I'd hardly call that unsafe ;P
[05:33] <kamikazi> ok one more question, where can i get the ubuntu source CD ??
[05:33] <skel_home> Dull404: on my local network might I add =P
[05:33] <Dull404> skel_home, arite then =P
[05:33] <gbhat> WildTangent, first things first, type the command 'uninstaller' in the command prompt and tell me what happens
[05:33] <Levander> kamikazi: they'll mail you one or you can download it from ubuntulinux.org
[05:33] <thundrcleeze> Sometimes it crashes, and other times it doesn't let me add an address.  When I click play after I "add" the address, it gives me the open file dialog.
[05:33] <Levander> the mailing is free
[05:33] <WildTangent> hold on, nuking XMMS
[05:34] <gbhat> thundrcleeze, sure the url is ip all the time/
[05:34] <gbhat> up?
[05:34] <Dull404> Levander, dont forget deborphan and debfoster........
[05:34] <WildTangent> huzzah....
[05:34] <stazich> does anyone know how to install MS-ASF plugin for frefox to stream video?
[05:34] <WildTangent> only winamp is listed
[05:34] <gbhat> stazich, mplayerplugin wont work?
[05:34] <WildTangent> it half worked
[05:34] <Dull404> Levander, apt-get cant remove everything
[05:34] <thundrcleeze> gbhat, it's not, but I know when it is.
[05:35] <gbhat> WildTangent, first things first, type the command 'uninstaller' in the command prompt and tell me what happens
[05:35] <WildTangent> the program ran, but it couldnt play anything
[05:35] <WildTangent> i did
[05:35] <WildTangent> and i just uninstalled winamp
[05:35] <gbhat> did it show Photoshop in there?
[05:35] <stazich> i dont have it
[05:35] <gbhat> stazich, sudo apt-get install mplayerplugin
[05:35] <WildTangent> it only listed winamp
[05:35] <stazich> i cannot play video in frefox... i do not have mplayer or mplayer plugin as well i suppose.. how do i install you know?
[05:35] <gbhat> WildTangent, try installing Photoshop again
[05:35] <stazich> ok, il try
[05:35] <frank> what's the difference between mplayerplugin and mozplugger?
[05:35] <Dull404> WildTangent, apt-get remove, cant remove everything...
[05:36] <gbhat> frank, mplayerplugin is only for video
[05:36] <gbhat> it is a plugin for mplayer
[05:36] <WildTangent> ill have to try later, gots to pretend like im sleeping, damn rents...
[05:36] <stazich> gbhat, E: Couldn't find package mplayerplugin
[05:36] <frank> gbhat, mplayerplugin plays audio too I'm pretty sure
[05:36] <Dull404> stazich, its in multiverse
[05:37] <gbhat> stazich, sudo apt-get install mplayerplug-in probably?
[05:37] <stazich> multiverse? u mean like universe in Syn Apt manager? how to activate it?
[05:37] <gbhat> why doesnt Ubuntu have all reps enabled?
[05:37] <stazich> still cant find... even with -
[05:37] <Dull404> stazich, add multiverse after universe
[05:37] <SQL_Sam> hey what exactly is smbfs used for - is it seeing windows shared folders through linux?
[05:37] <stazich> how?
[05:37] <frank> sudo apt-get install mozilla-mplayer
[05:37] <stazich> in Synaptic?
[05:38] <Levander> gbhat: because universe and multiverse aren't supported
[05:38] <stazich> my apt get cannot find anything
[05:38] <stazich> . :(
[05:38] <Dull404> stazich, edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:38] <gbhat> Levander, ahh!!
[05:39] <gbhat> stazich,  http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[05:39] <stazich> edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:39] <stazich> Warning: unknown mime-type for "/etc/apt/sources.list" -- using "application/*"
[05:39] <stazich> Error: no write permission for file "/etc/apt/sources.list"
[05:39] <Dull404> stazich, you have to sudo
[05:39] <gbhat> stazich,  http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[05:39] <stazich> yeah
[05:40] <stazich> didnt work with sudo neither
[05:40] <stazich> ok
[05:40] <frank> stazich, sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:40] <stazich> ok, it brought it up with gedit... what do i change there?
[05:40] <gbhat> stazich,  http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[05:40] <stazich> k
[05:41] <Dull404> spo0nman, whats so special with that?
[05:41] <frank> Where should bug reports go for universe packages?
[05:42] <spo0nman> Dull404, how would you know? just look at your handle
[05:43] <kamikazi> is there a cluster ubuntu livecd, or should i make it by my self ?? :S
[05:43] <spo0nman> kamikazi, please go ahead....
[05:44] <kamikazi> spo0nman, oky next week, cause i have exams in this week :( "promise"
[05:44] <Dull404> spo0nman, eh?
[05:46] <SQL_Sam> what do i need to look at when trying to restart samba and I get a failure on starting samba daemons?
[05:46] <gbhat> ?
[05:46] <thundrcleeze> gbhat, installed muine but how do I add the link?
[05:48] <amonkey> exit
[05:48] <spo0nman> Dull404, :)
[05:48] <gbhat> thundrcleeze, I just found out that muine wont play urls :|
[05:49] <thundrcleeze> :(
[05:49] <gbhat> thundrcleeze, lemme try mplayer
[05:49] <gbhat> thundrcleeze, what url?
[05:50] <Dull404> spo0nman, you were happy over apt, or that you were installing openoff ?
[05:50] <geneo93> geez that would have been my first pick
[05:50] <desplesda> i've just followed the apache2 setup guide from ubuntuguide, installed php4 and php4-mysql, but whenever I try to view any of my .php files it ends up not being processed but offered as a download
[05:50] <desplesda> can anyone help?
[05:50] <stazich> if the package in apt-get for mplayer i386 is mplayer-386, what would it be for ppc/??
[05:51] <frank> stazich, you have ppc?
[05:51] <stazich> yeah
[05:51] <stazich> imac
[05:51] <frank> stazich, just get mplayer
[05:51] <stazich> hmm
[05:51] <gbhat> thundrcleeze, you use kde?
[05:51] <stazich> is there such?
[05:51] <frank> stazich, it will be the one for ppc
[05:51] <thundrcleeze> norris, gbhat.
[05:51] <thundrcleeze> er... no, gbhat
[05:51] <gbhat> thundrcleeze, try amarok
[05:51] <flodine> does anyone know of a repository i can use for fluxbox?
[05:52] <crimsun> stazich: mplayer-powerpc, mplayer-g4, ...
[05:52] <gbhat> it is a little buggy but in kde I use it for playing my shoutcast playlist
[05:52] <crimsun> flodine: a repository? it's in universe.
[05:52] <crimsun> flodine: or did you mean themes?
[05:52] <frank> crimsun: where do I submit a bug report for a universe package? (streamtuner)
[05:52] <flodine> well that flux dont give you all the files
[05:52] <flodine> i tryed
[05:52] <crimsun> frank: launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone
[05:53] <crimsun> flodine: "all the files"?
[05:53] <flodine> dude i load it with repos but there are no ini files or menu files
[05:54] <flodine> in flux
[05:54] <flodine> whats wrong
[05:54] <swazo> does anyone here have doom 3 working
[05:54] <crimsun> flodine: um, the standard Debian menu works on my fluxbox installation from Hoary/universe...
[05:54] <hksdu> does anybody know that if firefox 1.0.3 firefox for Ubuntu out yet?
[05:54] <crimsun> flodine: I have menu and menu-xdg installed
[05:54] <crimsun> hksdu: being worked on
[05:54] <hksdu> crimsun: thanks
[05:54] <flodine> you let the repository do it right
[05:55] <revelater> anyone here use gnucash?
[05:55] <swazo> anyone?
[05:55] <crimsun> flodine: make sure you have menu and menu-xdg installed
[05:55] <revelater> anyone here use gnucash?
[05:55] <hksdu> Hi, I saw someone is using the weather broadcast and system resource info panels on their Ubuntu desktop, what programs are they?
[05:55] <revelater> !!!!
[05:56] <flodine> where can i find that crimsun
[05:56] <thundrcleeze> gbhat, mplayer isn't compiled right for me, it's compiled without gui support.
[05:56] <revelater> ?!?!?!
[05:56] <dantheman> hksdu: that's probably gdesklets
[05:56] <thundrcleeze> revelater, be patient.
[05:56] <flodine> ok i found the there installed
[05:56] <dantheman> just search for it in synaptic
[05:56] <hksdu> dantheman: thanks...and I can install through synaptic?
[05:56] <crimsun> flodine: menu is in universe; menu-xdg is in main
[05:56] <hksdu> dantheman: oops...hehe..thanks
[05:56] <revelater> thundercleeze: i want to get this finixhed befoer i eat dinner, so i am not impatient, i am merly short on time
[05:57] <Levander> I'm reading a thread on ubuntuforums that says when people are using nautilus in hoary, and double clicking on a folder, it opens a new window for a folder.  But, it doesn't do that on my machine.  Anybody else's machine doing the same thing?
[05:57] <flodine> yeah its installed
[05:57] <dantheman> no problem
[05:57] <intrade> anyone home how do you enable the dialup modem to setup in comand line on ubuntu?
[05:57] <jubei1024> How do I kill X in kubuntu?
[05:57] <intrade> open konsole
[05:57] <flodine> crimson dont understand why it wont load flux comletely
[05:58] <intrade> tipe xkill
[05:58] <nomasteryoda> jubei1024: ctrl+alt+bkspace
[05:58] <intrade> makes a deadly mouse cursor
[05:58] <jubei1024> noma: will that kill it or just restart it?
[05:58] <nomasteryoda> lol
[05:58] <revelater> jubeil024: or just command + alt +delete
[05:58] <nomasteryoda> jubei1024: it will restart
[05:58] <intrade> to restart desctop type kicker
[05:58] <hksdu> dantheman: I don't find it....
[05:59] <intrade> well on kanotix it works
[05:59] <jubei1024> I want to kill x. I typed sudo xkill in a virtual terminal and it didnt work
[05:59] <dantheman> hksdu: let me take a look in synaptic to make sure
[05:59] <revelater> jubeil024: if you want to go to command line then just command alt F1
[05:59] <intrade> anyone know does wvdialconf create work on ubuntu?
[05:59] <revelater> jubeil024: to go back to x then type command alt F2
[06:00] <revelater> not typ, hit the keys
[06:00] <dantheman> i did a search for gdesklets and it popped up right away
[06:00] <intrade> as there is no ppp tool
[06:00] <geneo93> intrade:  use pppconf
[06:00] <dantheman> hkdsu: it might be in the universe repository
[06:00] <intrade> ok
[06:00] <jubei1024> I need to shutdown x to execute another command, it wont run if x is running
[06:00] <dantheman> hkdsu: i think you can check on www.ubuntuguide.org for how to enable the universe repositories
[06:00] <flodine> crimsun is that all you loaded to get flux up and running
[06:01] <revelater> jubeil024: what i said eralyer will kill x: command + alt + F1
[06:01] <jubei1024> what is command?
[06:01] <revelater> jubeil024: to start again: command + alt + F2
[06:01] <jubei1024> I dont have a command key
[06:02] <revelater> jubeil024: sorry, used to using a mac, ctrl
[06:02] <dhonn> ctrl? maybe
[06:02] <jubei1024> =)
[06:02] <revelater> jubeil024: :P
[06:02] <jubei1024> ctrl + alt + f2 just takes me to a virtual terminal
[06:02] <cens0red> Off-topic, but lmao! http://mypage.iu.edu/~edicus/compare.jpg
[06:02] <jubei1024> it does not kill x
[06:02] <nomasteryoda> jubei1024: then you can kill x
[06:02] <revelater> jubeil024: F1 first, F2 starts x
[06:02] <jubei1024> ok...
[06:03] <dhonn> what about ctrl+alt+backspace?
[06:03] <dantheman> has anyone tried gcc 4.0 with hoary?
[06:03] <jubei1024> HEHE
[06:03] <nomasteryoda> dhonn: jubei1024 is trying to kill it...
[06:03] <mainer> jubeil: ctrl+alt+backspace=kill x
[06:03] <revelater> ctrl+alt+backspace restarts x
[06:03] <dhonn> not on my system
[06:03] <jubei1024> HEH
[06:03] <crimsun> flodine: for me, yep
[06:03] <jubei1024> anyone?
[06:03] <jubei1024> I used to use telinit 3
[06:04] <revelater> HEH?
[06:04] <jubei1024> but that doesn twork anymore
[06:04] <nomasteryoda> jubei1024: just do this... sudo ps ax | grep X...
[06:04] <nomasteryoda> then
[06:04] <dhonn> go to terminal try killall X
[06:04] <nomasteryoda> kill the process
[06:04] <nomasteryoda> dhonn, yea
[06:04] <revelater> got to terminal and do: sudo init 1
[06:04] <flodine> crimsun how can i make sure i have the right  repository
[06:04] <dhonn> or Xorg
[06:04] <mainer> kill killall --help
[06:05] <dhonn> killall Xorg then killall gdm
[06:05] <mainer> killall --help for syntax,options,parameters
[06:05] <crimsun> flodine: you should have main, restricted, and universe repos enabled (at least)
[06:05] <revelater> just ctrl+alt+F1
[06:06] <revelater> jubeil024: ctrl+alt+F1
[06:06] <flodine> crimsun is there a new command to generate menu in flux
[06:06] <revelater> jubeil024: just do it
[06:06] <jubei1024> HEH, ctrl+alt+f1 does NOT kill X
[06:06] <jubei1024> i have done it
[06:06] <smo> Isn't "/etc/init.d/gdm stop"  so much saner?
[06:06] <jubei1024> cause I am in v-terminal
[06:07] <revelater> jubeil024: it shoule, x can't run i in single user mode
[06:07] <revelater> *should
[06:07] <nomasteryoda> revelater: true
[06:07] <nomasteryoda> sudo init 1 will kill it
[06:07] <nomasteryoda> right?
[06:07] <revelater> it should
[06:07] <nomasteryoda> k
[06:07] <revelater> yes
[06:08] <crimsun> flodine: to generate? There's update-menus if you have the menu package installed
[06:08] <revelater> if it doesn't re install your system, cause something aint right
[06:08] <jubei1024> if i use ctrl+alt+f1 i get a v-terminal, if I then press ctrl+alt+f7 i'm back in X, It never goes down
[06:08] <intrade> yup
[06:09] <jubei1024> if i use sudo init 1 can I still use my v-terminals?
[06:09] <smo> jubei1024: X keeps respawning because gdm is designed to do so.  "/etc/init.d/gdm stop" as root (or via sudo) will stop that.
[06:09] <intrade> i use sux
[06:09] <jubei1024> you're saying ctrl+alt+f1 is supposed to shutdown X? I have never seen that in any distro
[06:10] <revelater> jubeil024: it will just give you a regular terminal, i don't you may still be able to run a v terminal
[06:10] <smo> no, ctrl+alt+f1 sends you to vt1.  X is still running on vt7
[06:10] <intrade> it switches in text mode
[06:10] <geneo93> jubei1024:  cntl alt backspace
[06:10] <jubei1024> =)
[06:10] <revelater> jubeil024: it SHOULD bring you into single user mode and kill x
[06:10] <intrade> i hardly use that only to get nvidia driver going
[06:11] <intrade> f1
[06:11] <revelater> jubeil024: anyone want to do that and then type ps -A?
[06:11] <geneo93> telinit 3
[06:11] <intrade> anyway seyyas i dont run ubuntu
[06:12] <jubei1024> ps -A |grep X
[06:12] <jubei1024> = Xorg
[06:12] <revelater> jubeil024: and you are int init 1?
[06:12] <revelater> *in
[06:12] <jubei1024> nope
[06:13] <revelater> jubeil024: go to init 1
[06:13] <jubei1024> I dont want to drop to that level yet
[06:13] <jubei1024> what will init 3 do?
[06:13] <revelater> jubeil024: type sudo init 1
[06:13] <revelater> jubeil024: nothing
[06:13] <revelater> jubeil024: unless you have more than 3 users
[06:14] <revelater> jubei1024: its a 1 not an l :P
[06:14] <geneo93> init 3 will give u networking
[06:15] <revelater> does anyone here use gnu cash?
[06:15] <thundrcleeze> not I, revelater
[06:15] <jubei1024> yeah now my installer is winging that i'm at runlevel 1 =)
[06:15] <smo> debian & ubuntu don't use runlevels like redhat et al.  0 is shutdown, 1 is single-user, 2 is normal, 6 is shutdown.  the rest aren't used
[06:17] <revelater> jubei1024: by winging you mean working?
[06:17] <jubei1024> Nope
[06:18] <flodine> crimsun im in flux now why cant i generate the menu?
[06:18] <jubei1024> It says if I run the installer at runlevel 1 there will be problems
[06:18] <geneo93> yup for sure
[06:19] <crimsun> flodine: secondary-click?
[06:19] <revelater> ok, ctrl alt backspace, when you get into gdm again, select safe mode or terminal to log into, thenk killall x and killallgdm if neccessary
[06:20] <dougsk> if you'd like to replicate other distros' methods you'll need to edit inittab to default to 5 and inside rc3.d you'll mv S13gdm to K13gdm
[06:20] <revelater> hey anyone know how to burn iso's in linux?
[06:21] <flodine> crimsun im in flux now i have 3 things in my menu how do i generate the menu
[06:21] <smo> revelater: If you're in gnome, right-click in nautilus should include a menu item for it.  if not, man cdrecord
[06:21] <jubei1024> i'm running kubuntu
[06:21] <revelater> flodine: go to #fluxbox, but i may be able to answer your question, first are you using hoary?
[06:22] <smo> jubei1024: then "/etc/init.d/kdm stop" instead of gdm stop :)
[06:22] <elcu> revelater: ubuntuguide.org
[06:22] <flodine> yes
[06:22] <revelater> flodine: then i bleieve you just need to type in a term fluxbox-generate_menu
[06:23] <flodine> revelater i tryed that it says command not found
[06:23] <flodine> this is crazy
[06:23] <revelater> flodine: build it yourself then
[06:23] <XTCboarder> anybody been able to run flashmx2004 in wine?
[06:24] <revelater> flodine: type in command line: emacs ~/.fluxbox/menu
[06:25] <benplaut> XTCboarder: as far as i know, nobody has ever done it successfully (and documented it online)
[06:25] <flodine> revelater this what im telling you ubuntu install half of flux
[06:25] <flodine> wow gnomes is calling
[06:25] <smo> XTCboarder: http://frankscorner.org/?p=flashmx   It doesn't mention 2004, but it looks like a sane start
[06:26] <revelater> flodine: yes, it doesn't install everything, i know, i was in your same psoition not 5 days ago
[06:26] <jubei1024> yah /etc/init.d/kdm stop is what I was looking for
[06:26] <jubei1024> Thanks guys
[06:27] <revelater> flodine: here is what you do: type in the beggining of the file [begin]  (Fluxbox)
[06:28] <revelater> flodine: go to a new line and everything you type should begin with something in []  which is a command
[06:28] <revelater> flodine: then after that you give the item a name such as (fluxbox) titles the menu fluxbox
[06:29] <revelater> flodine: go to a new line and everything you type should begin with something in []  which is a command
[06:29] <revelater> flodine: how much did you get before yout client quit?
[06:31] <revelater> love to help more but i have to go
[06:32] <yoink> guys, how do i get past synaptic when i've installed something from source but it doesnt know that?
[06:32] <flodine> is there a window manager that works out there for ubuntu i dont have to build
[06:33] <crimsun> flodine: don't care for the ones you've tried?
[06:33] <yoink> i installed mplayer from source, now i cant get the acidrip package bc of false dependency problemds
[06:33] <flodine> man why give me flux half as.....s
[06:33] <flodine> that dont make sense
[06:33] <nomasteryoda> flodine: i agree on that
[06:33] <samlowry> hey is that the jubei that was doing the kernel recompile?
[06:34] <flodine> fedora looking real good
[06:34] <nomasteryoda> can't be that much to compiling it though
[06:34] <nomasteryoda> flodine: no
[06:34] <nomasteryoda> let me look too
[06:34] <flodine> why give me flux partial
[06:34] <crimsun> flux works fine on my livecd even
[06:34] <flodine> who was drinking that day
[06:35] <XTCboarder> damn.... :(
[06:35] <amylynnwho> hello
[06:35] <nomasteryoda> flodine: do you just see fluxbox and fluxconf?
[06:35] <flodine> i install flux no init file or meu files someone was drunk
[06:35] <nomasteryoda> hey amylynnwho
[06:35] <flodine> nope
[06:35] <nomasteryoda> er, you need another repo added
[06:36] <flodine> yes
[06:36] <amylynnwho> I'm new to linux and ubuntu...and IRC...what's this room about
[06:36] <nomasteryoda> universe
[06:36] <nomasteryoda> ubuntu
[06:36] <flodine> does anyone got a new repost to add for flux
[06:36] <nomasteryoda> =)
[06:36] <nomasteryoda> flodine, i'm adding it right   now... i'll let you know how it goes
[06:37] <flodine> ok
[06:37] <nomasteryoda> i did it on another system... worked on it
[06:38] <geneo93> fluxbox and fluxconf are needed
[06:38] <nomasteryoda> flodine: it's installed
[06:38] <nomasteryoda> just min
[06:39] <crimsun> trust me, fluxbox is fine
[06:39] <geneo93> FluxConf is a simple GTK 2.0 application allowing fast and easy configuration
[06:39] <geneo93> of the Fluxbox window manager and its keyboard shortcuts.  This package also
[06:39] <geneo93> includes the fluxkeys, fluxmenu and fluxbare utilities.
[06:39] <nomasteryoda> crimsun: i know
[06:39] <flodine> i did both
[06:39] <crimsun> I've verified with both the ubuntu and kubuntu livecds
[06:39] <flodine> still dint work
[06:39] <crimsun> flodine: what precisely doesn't work?
[06:39] <flodine> theres no fluxmenu
[06:40] <flodine> no fluxinit
[06:40] <crimsun> err...
[06:40] <crimsun> how did you install fluxbox?
[06:40] <flodine> apt
[06:40] <flodine> and then repos
[06:40] <flodine> both didnt work
[06:41] <flodine> when i sign in to flux it looks like it has no video
[06:41] <flodine> why
[06:42] <samchi> anyone know the problem with ubuntu and mounting to loop? even with modprobe loop it still is unable to mount an image file.
[06:42] <crimsun> samchi: an "image file"?
[06:42] <crimsun> flodine: try apt-get --reinstall install fluxbox
[06:42] <samchi> yes as in disk image
[06:42] <Enkidu> what is the difference from regular, universe, and multiverse?
[06:42] <crimsun> Enkidu: please see the wiki :)
[06:43] <crimsun> samchi: as an .iso or...?
[06:43] <geneo93> crimsun:  dont forget fluxconf
[06:43] <flodine> man dude ive tried 100 times with flux
[06:43] <samchi> well not an iso, but same concept
[06:43] <crimsun> samchi: but the format _is_ important.
[06:44] <samchi> well I know the format, that's besides the point it wouldn't matter what type of image I try to load even when I know they filesystem inside the loop filesystem is not working
[06:44] <flodine> can i get the repository site for flux
[06:44] <smo> samchi: expand upon "not working" ? what errors does it throw?
[06:45] <SQL_Sam> how do you stop a ping?
[06:45] <thegreedyturtle> ctrl c
[06:45] <crimsun> samchi: so loop.ko is loaded, but mount -o loop ... doesn't work?
[06:45] <SQL_Sam> thanks
[06:45] <crimsun> flodine: it's in your /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:46] <SQL_Sam> iim trying to use swat - how do i figure out what my localhost is?
[06:46] <samchi> bad option, bad superblock, on /dev/loop0,  and dmsg says
[06:46] <flodine> well its not a good one
[06:46] <flodine> cause you dont have no problems
[06:46] <flodine> why do i
[06:46] <samchi> can't find filesystem on loop0
[06:46] <crimsun> flodine: did you try --reinstall?
[06:47] <flodine> yes sir
[06:47] <Tecky-> How do I install Gentoo ?
[06:47] <crimsun> flodine: describe precisely how you're invoking it?
[06:47] <samchi> no here's the funny thing, the same image is able to be mounted under osx and does have a correct filesystem being fat.
[06:47] <dcraven> Tecky-, hehe
[06:47] <crimsun> Tecky-: apt-get moo
[06:47] <samchi> Another thing is that the filesystem is accessible under bochs or qemu
[06:48] <samchi> when they are running...
[06:48] <crimsun> samchi: so you've passed mount -t vfat?  (not that it would make much sense, since iso9660 is the default...)
[06:48] <Tecky-> I want to use Gentoo.. and the folks in #gentoo sent me here ... said you guys would be able to help me install gentoo
[06:48] <crimsun> Tecky-: apt-get moo
[06:49] <Tecky-> apt-get moo ?
[06:49] <SQL_Sam> iim trying to use swat - how do i figure out what my localhost is?
[06:49] <samchi> It doesn't matter what I pass as -t!
[06:49] <dcraven> Tecky-, I think they played you. Ubuntu is a different distro.
[06:49] <samchi> it does the same thing!
[06:49] <Bigrob> Tecky-,  do you have super cow powers
[06:49] <samchi> I've tried different images all known to work outside of ubuntu hoary.
[06:49] <Tecky-> ubuntu is a different distro ? .... whats a distro ?
[06:49] <nickrud> apt-get moo :)
[06:49] <Tecky-> I was told to come on IRC (i'm new) and get a copy of Gentoo
[06:49] <nickrud> how old is iti anyway
[06:50] <thundrcleeze> no nick, apt-get install moo
[06:50] <samchi> Is there another way to mount a imagefile without having to use loop?
[06:50] <dcraven> Tecky-, follow the documentation on the Gentoo website. It's very well written.
[06:50] <nickrud> picky, picky
[06:50] <cyphase> has anyone setup mod_python for apache?
[06:50] <crimsun> samchi: not if you're using mount
[06:50] <samchi> what else could I use?
[06:50] <Tecky-> dcraven: but they told me to come in here for support ... why wont you guys support helping me install Gentoo
[06:50] <dcraven> Tecky-, and just so you know, this is not the place to come for Gentoo support. They mislead you.
[06:50] <crimsun> samchi: have you tried manually specifying a different loop device?
[06:50] <Tecky-> all I want is for someone to help me install gentoo
[06:50] <cartel_> ok anyone know a regex for the line AFTER the line containing your query
[06:51] <samchi> yes, on my /dev I see all the way up to loop6
[06:51] <Tecky-> dcraven: why would they do that ... I thought linux was full of people helping other newbies
[06:51] <samchi> yes, on my /dev I see all the way up to loop7
[06:51] <dcraven> Tecky-, I give.
[06:51] <samchi> all the same
[06:51] <Tecky-> you give ?
[06:51] <Bigrob> Tecky-,  unbuntu is only for unbuntu if you want gentoo go to gentoo
[06:51] <Tecky-> give what ?
[06:51] <nickrud> :)
[06:51] <dcraven> up
[06:51] <crimsun> dcraven: yep, don't feed.
[06:51] <Bigrob> but you might want to try ubuntu
[06:51] <Tecky-> big: no they sent me here
[06:51] <crimsun> :)
[06:51] <yoink> guys, how do i get past synaptic when i've installed something from source but it doesnt know that?
[06:51] <Bigrob> it is pretty good and pretty easy to install
[06:52] <dcraven> crimsun, took me a minute, but I caught on ;P
[06:52] <crimsun> wonder if he's trolling in ##slackware and #suse, too :p
[06:52] <yoink> is there a force option of some kind?
[06:52] <Tecky-> whats trolling ?
[06:52] <samchi> I'm out of Ideas, anyone have some?
[06:52] <geneo93> Tecky-:  goto mandriva
[06:52] <Tecky-> geneo93: why should i go there ?
[06:53] <Bigrob> Tecky-, go to #debian if you want to learn about trolling
[06:53] <crimsun> samchi: it's not encrypted, is it?
[06:53] <samchi> no
[06:53] <dcraven> Tecky-, type "/q" to get Gentoo.
[06:53] <smo> yoink: not easily.  you can dpkg -i --force-depends filename.deb .. but it'll keep getting messier
[06:53] <Tecky-> no i've done that before
[06:53] <Tecky-> it formats my hard drive
[06:53] <nickrud> :)
[06:53] <pixil9> Tecky-, You makin fun of ubuntu?
[06:53] <crimsun> samchi: can you verify with a {k}ubuntu livecd?
[06:54] <Gigglesworth> They don't troll on #debian, they bite your head off.
[06:54] <samchi> I will try to verify tonight sometime with warty, to see if the problem is on hoary or the kernel...
[06:54] <nickrud> virtually :)
[06:54] <geneo93> Tecky-:  try azaureus also
[06:55] <Tecky-> azaureus ?
[06:55] <yoink> smo, what would you recommend then? if i install anything from source it ruins package management?
[06:55] <nickrud> Tecky-, assuming you're serious, /join #gentu /leave(?) #ubuntu
[06:55] <nickrud>  /join #gentoo
[06:56] <Tecky-> no one is in #gentu
[06:56] <dr_willis> lol
[06:56] <dr_willis> #gentooo
[06:56] <nickrud> try another network, please
[06:56] <SQL_Sam> that is funny....
[06:56] <smo> yoink: that apt is only clever because it's in control.  About the best long-term fix is to learn to create packages (it's not as difficult as it sounds for most things)
[06:56] <nickrud> moi ?
[06:56] <sihen> hello all
[06:56] <cyphase> has anyone here set up mod_python for apache? i've tried playing with the config files, but it's not processing the code. it just sends me the plain python code as a download
[06:56] <yoink> smo, oh, and how can i get the deb name from apt?
[06:57] <sihen> could someone possible help me out, i get a W: GPG error: http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com hoary Release: Unknown error executing gpgv when doing a apt-get update
[06:57] <yoink> smo, my real problem is the mplayer package doesnt work, so i had to install it myself
[06:57] <geneo93> Tecky-:  if you cant install it on your own you cnat install apps either so just use ubuntu
[06:58] <pixil9> what's the best tvtuner proggie?
[06:59] <sihen> anyone that could possible help me with that q?
[06:59] <geneo93> pixil9:  i use tvtime
[06:59] <pixil9> Ok.. it just uses /dev/video0
[06:59] <pixil9> or whatever?
[07:00] <XizDaqrian> Sup all?
[07:00] <XizDaqrian> Quiet in here...
[07:00] <pixil9> COol it works.
[07:00] <skreet> Anyone use Xgl on ubuntu yet?
[07:01] <pixil9> cept my cable is fucked and its fuzzy :(
[07:01] <sperm> is anyone alive the knogelable
[07:01] <sperm> with ubuntu?
[07:02] <pixil9> how do i change channels lol
[07:02] <sperm> okie
[07:02] <geneo93> uparrows
[07:02] <sperm> totem is now load wvm fikles
[07:02] <geneo93> down arrows
[07:02] <sperm> the codecs are not installing right
[07:02] <pixil9> thx
[07:02] <sperm> anyone have an idea?
[07:03] <geneo93> f fullscreen
[07:03] <nickrud> sperm, you using totem-gstreamer?
[07:03] <sperm> i just removed it
[07:03] <sperm> i am going to start all over.
[07:03] <sperm> what should i install first.
[07:03] <sperm> the codecs?
[07:03] <cyphase> has anyone here set up mod_python for apache? i've tried playing with the config files, but it's not processing the code. it just sends me the plain python code as a download
[07:03] <cartel_> yoink: apt-cache show
[07:03] <sperm> or dose it not really matter.
[07:03] <sperm> apt-get install w32codecs.
[07:04] <sperm> then apt-get install totom*
[07:04] <sperm> then i go and try to view a *.wmv file
[07:04] <sperm> it dosent find the codecs
[07:06] <nickrud> sperm, there's a wiki that will help with that, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[07:06] <SQL_Sam> crap - how do i get out of vi?
[07:06] <nickrud> :q
[07:06] <sperm> yeah tried that
[07:06] <sperm> something isnot right
[07:06] <sperm> i need to manully install them
[07:06] <nickrud> Worked for Me
[07:06] <sperm> or something
[07:06] <SQL_Sam> thanks
[07:06] <sperm> dpkg -i *.deb
[07:06] <sperm> corrext?
[07:06] <sperm> that is that one?
[07:07] <geneo93> no just read the wiki
[07:07] <nickrud> what deb, and where did you get it? Is it signed?
[07:07] <sperm> yeah it is sign'd
[07:08] <sihen> could someone possible help me out, i get a W: GPG error: http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com hoary Release: Unknown error executing gpgv when doing a apt-get update
[07:09] <nickrud> I wish
[07:09] <nickrud> gpg, almost as much voodoo as cups
[07:10] <Gigglesworth> I love it. I'm running an Ubuntu LiveCD within VMWare on WinXP. Ubuntu started up fine, connects to the network fine, plays sounds, etc. The only Linux distro so far to work this well out of the box.
[07:10] <thundrcleeze> oh great, synaptic hung.
[07:12] <dazed>  Gigglesworth: thats whats strived for :)
[07:12] <geneo93> sudo kill synaptic
[07:12] <sperm> yo man
[07:12] <sperm> same shit
[07:12] <sperm> no decoers were found
[07:12] <Gigglesworth> In fact, it works so well that ...
[07:13] <thundrcleeze> I know how to get rid of it, it's just not good.
[07:13] <nickrud> sperm, I looked again, and it's not the wiki you need, sorry :)
[07:14] <nickrud> so do this:
[07:14] <nickrud> cd ~/.gnome2/totem-plugins
[07:14] <nickrud> and, assuming you have the w32codes installed correctly
[07:14] <sperm> yeah
[07:15] <nickrud> ln -s /usr/lib/win32/* .
[07:15] <nickrud> and try gstreamer-totem again
[07:15] <dazed> thats u log in and out of irc out of joy?
[07:15] <sperm> ln: `./wmadmod.dll': File exists
[07:15] <sperm> ln: `./wmsdmod.dll': File exists
[07:15] <sperm> ln: `./wmspdmod.dll': File exists
[07:15] <sperm> ln: `./wmv8ds32.ax': File exists
[07:15] <sperm> ln: `./wmv9dmod.dll': File exists
[07:15] <sperm> ln: `./wmvadvd.dll': File exists
[07:15] <sperm> ln: `./wmvdmod.dll': File exists
[07:15] <sperm> ln: `./wmvds32.ax': File exists
[07:15] <sperm> ln: `./wnvplay1.dll': File exists
[07:15] <sperm> ln: `./wnvwinx.dll': File exists
[07:15] <dazed> sperm: use #flood or something like that to paste things over 4 lines
[07:16] <geargolem> Hi, trying to fdisk my /dev/hdb1
[07:16] <nickrud> so, you found the right wiki
[07:16] <geneo93> sperm:  maybe you should try vlc
[07:16] <sperm> vlc?
[07:16] <dazed> lol
[07:16] <dazed> all those nick changes to go back to the original
[07:16] <geneo93> yes
[07:17] <geneo93> sperm:  i prefer mplayer myself
[07:17] <sperm> There were no decoders found to handle the stream in file "file:///tmp/movie", you might need to install the corresponding plugins
[07:17] <geargolem> how can I reformat my 2nd hd and what can I use it for?
[07:18] <sperm> this is bullshit
[07:18] <sperm> !
[07:18] <Remenic> sperm: what's the format?
[07:18] <dazed> sso install corresponding plugins?
[07:18] <sperm> wmv
[07:19] <cyphase> has anyone gotten mod_python to work with apache?
[07:19] <Remenic> sperm: what player are you using?
[07:19] <ruggy> why is ubuntu so popular right now?
[07:19] <Remenic> sperm: xine & mplayer should handle them fine, if you install w32codecs (it's in apt-get)
[07:19] <geneo93> ruggy:  because its good
[07:19] <Remenic> ruggy: beats me ;)
[07:19] <Remenic> yeah, they say it's good
[07:19] <sperm> okie
[07:20] <Remenic> not sure what it's good at though
[07:20] <sperm> apt-get install w32codeces
[07:20] <thundrcleeze> I restarted synaptic, but now it doesn't let me apply anything, how do I get what it was applying back?
[07:20] <sperm> apt-get install w32codecs
[07:20] <sperm> i have done that.
[07:20] <Remenic> sperm: ok :)
[07:20] <sperm> still not working
[07:20] <sperm> why is that?
[07:20] <Remenic> sperm: with mplayer?
[07:20] <sperm> and idea's
[07:20] <dazed> sperm you get them from mallirat?
[07:20] <geargolem> Hoary on hda1, Warty on hdb1.  How do I erase Warty/
[07:20] <gigglesworth> Ruggy: ubuntu looks nice, it's pretty powerful, works well, and is very loyal to the original goals of free software.
[07:20] <orospakr__> when authenticating a user for login with PAM via some external auth server, how should I take care of ensuring the user is in all the appropriate groups for removable disk access, etc.?
[07:20] <guruff> geargolem; format? you can create filesystem on the disk and then mount it; formating disks is win32 crap
[07:20] <mjc> hmm, how do I downgrade from breezy to hoary? heh
[07:21] <mjc> apt source trick didn't help much I need more than that apparently
[07:21] <dazed> gigglesworth: very much so!
[07:21] <geargolem> guruff, how do I erase warty on the 2nd hd?
[07:21] <ruggy> gigglesworth, sounds good i might try it someday
[07:21] <dazed> geargolem: format?
[07:21] <sperm> There were no decoders found to handle the stream in file "file:////home/sperm/Desktop/tailer.wmv", you might need to install the corresponding plugins
[07:21] <pixil9> geargolem, mke2fs on /dev/hdb1.
[07:21] <gigglesworth> Ruggy: people used to think this way about Debian, but Debian is getting behind the times in terms of a Desktop OS.
[07:22] <pixil9> As long as the partitions on the drive are setup
[07:22] <geargolem> did that, pixil9, but it still shows warty on my /etc/fstab
[07:22] <pixil9> you might wanna run a partition manager and erase the swap and shit
[07:22] <pixil9> then remove it
[07:22] <pixil9> pretty easy to use pico
[07:22] <ruggy> gigglesworth, how new user friendly is it?
[07:22] <guruff> rm -rf /media/WHERE_WARTY_IS_MOUNTED; be warn though rm -rf is refursive force remove, will go down the tree deleting everyting without asking
[07:22] <nickrud> mjc, try doing it with aptitude. Lots of hand work getting the dependencies right, but doable :)
[07:22] <geneo93> sperm:  try totem-gstreamer
[07:22] <nickrud> faster to reinstall, though
[07:22] <pixil9> Why would you manually remove every file when you can create a new filesystem with mke2fs lol.
[07:23] <sperm> player plays it
[07:23] <goo> sperm: seen the egg lately? :)
[07:23] <geargolem> I did that pixil9
[07:23] <thundrcleeze> I restarted synaptic, but now it doesn't let me apply anything, how do I get what it was applying back?
[07:24] <geargolem> it still shows Warty on startup on my 2nd hd pixil9
[07:24] <gigglesworth> Well, I've heard it much more user friendly. I just started using it myself, but the Gnome interface is familiar & nice & clean. There aren't too many apps, which is nice.
[07:24] <pixil9> geargolem, /boot/grub/menu.lst
[07:24] <geneo93> thundrcleeze:  try sudo apt-get -f install
[07:25] <palitro> necesito ayuda
[07:25] <gigglesworth> And it's the same as Debian on the back end, which means it has many of the same powerful tools.
[07:25] <thundrcleeze> thanks, geneo93, will do.
[07:25] <guruff> geargolem; what loader do you have grub? probably grub; edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[07:25] <sperm> mplayer works
[07:25] <sperm> ill brb.
[07:25] <nickrud> geneo93, you been studying :)
[07:25] <mark> Anyone have hanging on booting with enterprising volume management system
[07:25] <palitro> quiero instalar php4, pero la lista de paquetes muestra php4-cgi y php4-dev, cual debo instalar?
[07:25] <geargolem> ok, guruff.  I'm editing it now
[07:25] <geneo93> nickrud:  no i know more than most
[07:26] <nickrud> you've been running ubuntu for a while then
[07:26] <geneo93> nickrud:  also used apt in mandrake
[07:26] <gigglesworth> And also, you can ask questions in the #ubuntu channel without getting yelled at.
[07:27] <nickrud> ah, does it work the same?  (uprmi or whatever it was is the last mandrake thingy I used)
[07:27] <nickrud> urpmi :)
[07:27] <ruggy> gigglesworth, i likely freindly channels
[07:27] <ruggy> huh?
[07:27] <gigglesworth> Me too. I ditched IRC years ago because of some snotheads, but I'm starting to use it agian.
[07:27] <geneo93> nickrud:  well apt seems to bloat disk space wether you clean or not
[07:28] <geneo93> nickrud:  in mandrake that is
[07:28] <pixil9> Should my tvtuner and tvtime be using 80% cpu while i watch tv?
[07:28] <nickrud> geneo93, apt-get install debfoster. It kills the bloat that ails ye
[07:28] <pixil9> that's a little crazy.
[07:28] <geneo93> ahh dont work for mandrake
[07:29] <gigglesworth> Anyone here try Ubuntu on Xbox?
[07:29] <mark> ubuntu on xbox?
[07:29] <nickrud> I'm probably going back to aptitude. I like synaptic, but aptitude gives me automatic package removal.
[07:29] <mark> i can see that as possible
[07:29] <mark> but gnome is kinda big for it
[07:30] <LordMortis> can anyone here give me a brief review of how the ubuntu sound system works? (i.e. does it use OSS, ALSA-OSS, ALSA, and/or which sound daemon does it use)
[07:30] <Gigglesworth> Like the xbox-linux project... there's a Debian side project, a Fedora side project.
[07:30] <mark> remember only 64 megs of ram
[07:30] <geneo93> nickrud:  i like to keep things here for i'm on dun
[07:30] <MyNameIsChris> Hello everyone, how does Warty like kernels built from unpatched/standard kernel sources?
[07:30] <mark> gentoox is the way to go
[07:30] <nickrud> been there :)
[07:30] <Gigglesworth> It's a $100 computer. Running Linux on Xbox is so obscene it's cool.
[07:30] <mark> or that debian one, but I havent tried that one
[07:30] <Gigglesworth> 64 megs of Ram... might be good enough for a little webserver or a Samba server.
[07:31] <mark> Yeah, 100$, build USB adaptors, and a vga adaptor for a monitor
[07:31] <mark> would make a alright PC
[07:31] <geneo93> Gigglesworth:  i would think dsl would be better for xbox
[07:31] <mark> there is dsl for xbox
[07:31] <mark> xdsl
[07:32] <Gigglesworth> DSL? Like my internet connection here?
[07:32] <mark> it's pretty new, I think its the fastest one out
[07:32] <geneo93> well then thats what i would use
[07:32] <mark> damn small linux
[07:32] <Gigglesworth> Cool, thanks for hte hint.
[07:32] <mark> he np
[07:33] <mark> have you tried gentoox or xdsl, Gigglesworth?
[07:33] <Gigglesworth> DSL For Xbox is at http://www.xbins.org/nfo.php?file=xboxnfo1210.nfo if anyone cares.
[07:33] <Gigglesworth> No, I haven't tried them yet. Still don't have an xbox... still got a couple other projects lined up.
[07:33] <mark> i heard it could run win98 at an alright speed
[07:33] <Smeven> what is a good setiathome gui?
[07:33] <Yuffster> Hey, is there anyone who knows lots about Dells and Ubuntu and wireless out there? >_>;
[07:33] <Gigglesworth> But I'm looking for a cheap webserver for my personal stuf.f
[07:34] <mark> webserver works great
[07:34] <mark> on xboc
[07:34] <mark> xbox*
[07:34] <mark> i would suggest gentoox pro
[07:34] <goo> I guess my xbox will keep it's original OS, I actually use it to play games on (and music and movies with xbmc)
[07:34] <mark> then emerge what you want
[07:34] <Yuffster> :\
[07:35] <Gigglesworth> Bah, games? Music? You scoundrel :)
[07:35] <mark> xbmc is great...
[07:35] <Gigglesworth> but you can get a second one and have  a cheap webserver!
[07:35] <mark> best xbox project IMO
[07:35] <Gigglesworth> Cool, I'll check it out.
[07:35] <mark> the idea of watching downloaded anime on a tv without having to burn dvds is great
[07:35] <thundrcleeze_> Is this bad?-- Setting up ksplash (3.4.0-0ubuntu18) ...
[07:35] <thundrcleeze_> ** (process:13998): CRITICAL **: egg_desktop_entries_add_group: assertion `egg_desktop_entries_lookup_group (entries, group_name) == NULL' failed
[07:35] <mark> modding is easy
[07:36] <mark> takes me 5 min to softmod
[07:36] <Gigglesworth> Yeah, and that's another project down the line. A cheap media box. I guess you can use a Svidio-to-usb connector to grab broadcasts off of the air.
[07:36] <nickrud> thundrcleeze, that's nothing critcal, just an error while trying to set up menus
[07:37] <goo> Gigglesworth: hey, I have a cheap webserver! My father gave me an AMD Athlon 2700+ boxen with some RAM and disk as a gift since I helped him so much with his Debian Sid box! :)
[07:37] <thundrcleeze_> Okay, thanks, nickrud
[07:37] <Jeezis> is 73 degrees c too hot for a laptop to be running at?
[07:37] <Gigglesworth> Well, that's better then a 733Mhz/74Mb server!
[07:37] <nickrud> seen it a lot :)
[07:37] <transgress> no
[07:37] <mark> haha
[07:37] <mark> no 64 megs
[07:38] <mark> celeron
[07:38] <MyNameIsChris> Jeezis, Can you even put it on your lap. WIthout ironing your pants?
[07:38] <goo> no wonder it's so cheap.
[07:39] <mark> I don't think xbox2 is going to be great...
[07:39] <Gigglesworth> I bet they specifically added some anti-modding technolgoy in xbox2
[07:39] <srs> hi, the ncurses applications are not being rendered correctly in Hoary installed on an i586
[07:40] <srs> any solutions for that/
[07:40] <geargolem> could I get a private chat with someone that can help me with some questions
[07:40] <mark> that, and there is going to be differnent versions and possible no harddrive
[07:40] <dr_willis> Gigglesworth,  like covering the whole motherboard with epoxy :P
[07:40] <srs> geargolem: go ahead ask your questions here itself
[07:40] <mark> which means I would have to blow more cash on memory cards
[07:40] <dr_willis> xbox is the one game system i Dont have...
[07:41] <dr_willis> just havent seen many games for it  i really want.
[07:41] <geargolem> I just mke2fs on my 2nd hd.  I would like to use the 2nd hd for storage for Hoary on my 1st hd
[07:41] <mark> well, the only use, if not for live, is nothing
[07:41] <mark> except modding
[07:41] <geneo93> xbox was good but games suck
[07:41] <mark> then it has more features
[07:41] <Gigglesworth> Is kubuntu exactly the same as Ubuntu, except it has KDE instead of Gnome? Any other major differences?
[07:41] <dr_willis> im not about to pay MS to play online games. :P
[07:42] <mark> it still has some good games
[07:42] <dr_willis> Gigglesworth,  about the same.
[07:42] <mark> i'm playing Jade Empire atm
[07:42] <dr_willis> Gigglesworth,  if you want both. install the latest ubuntu, and you can apt-get the kubuntu stuff.
[07:42] <Gigglesworth> Geargolem: I think you just mgith need to do 'mkdir /mnt/secondharddrive', and then 'mount /dev/hdb1 /mnt/secondharddrive'
[07:43] <Gigglesworth> replace 'secondharddrive' with a name that makes sense to you.
[07:43] <dr_willis>  /stuff :P
[07:43] <mark>  Geargolem: then once that works, add a fstab entry
[07:43] <dr_willis>  /porn :P
[07:43] <mark> Geargolem: then it will mount on boot
[07:43] <Gigglesworth> And it may not be /dev/hdb1 , which is the first partition (1) on the second hard drive (b)
[07:43] <srs> geargolem: why not partition the 2nd hard disk as /something and keep
[07:44] <geargolem> I have Hoary on first, what could I put on 2nd?
[07:44] <thundrcleeze_> hoary storage? :)
[07:44] <cyphase> geargolem: hoary
[07:44] <cyphase> lol
[07:44] <srs> cyphase: don't kid
[07:45] <mark> Hey, I have a question involving 2 dvd drives. If I have one drive on the master ide cable , and another on the slave ide cable, can I read both at the same time?
[07:45] <goo> ..it's more understandable for wacky programmers lke me
[07:45] <geneo93> geargolem:  /home
[07:45] <Gigglesworth> Any thing that considers '0' as 'the first thing' drives me crazy.
[07:45] <cyphase> lol, my mistake. i thought he meant other computer
[07:45] <pixil9> geargolem: why are you dcc chatting me
[07:45] <Gigglesworth> Mark: You can, but it will be slower.
[07:45] <geargolem> ok geneo93.  mount /dev/hdb1 /home?
[07:45] <Gigglesworth> All operations will operate at the slower speed of the two drives.
[07:45] <goo> mark: yes. You can read them both at the same time (experienced time) )no matter what cable you connect them to
[07:45] <geargolem> pixil9 had some questions
[07:46] <mark> Slower, I each drive has it's own ide cable to motherboard?
[07:46] <pixil9> o
[07:46] <pixil9> what's the problem
[07:46] <geneo93> yes
[07:46] <Gigglesworth> Oh, I misread your question.
[07:46] <geargolem> thnx
[07:46] <thundrcleeze_> geargolem, you could put the beta version of breezy when it comes out on it, if you're looking for an os.
[07:47] <mark> sorry, I can never get what im tring to say...
[07:47] <cyphase> has anyone here set up mod_python for apache? i've tried playing with the config files, but it's not processing the code. it just sends me the plain python code as a download
[07:47] <Gigglesworth> If you have two drives on a single IDE channel, both devices operate at the speed of the slower device.
[07:47] <pixil9> cyphase: did you install a libapache-mod?
[07:47] <cyphase> pixil9: yes, and the server signature confrims it
[07:47] <Gigglesworth> But it sounds like you have two IDE cables, two devices, and each device is plugged into a different channel.
[07:47] <cyphase> confirm*
[07:47] <mark> That's what I currently have set up...
[07:47] <goo> cyphase: nope. Just pyapache. But it should say something about AddType in the documentation or the INSTALL file I guess
[07:48] <cyphase> yea, im about to try that now
[07:48] <cyphase> lemme see..
[07:48] <Gigglesworth> You can read and write to both devices at the same time. I don't think the whole 'master/slave' thing applies only when you have two devices per channel.
[07:48] <Gigglesworth> correction, 'I *do* think'
[07:49] <kakalto> where are OOo's icons stored?
[07:49] <mark> Gigglesworth: So, do you think I would be able to burn say a dvd in one drive and read the other if they have seperate cables... and as /dev/hda and /dev/hdc
[07:49] <pixil9> pyapache?
[07:49] <SQL_Sam> is swat installed on ubuntu?
[07:49] <pixil9> SQL_Sam, no. apt-get install swatr
[07:49] <pixil9> SQL_Sam, no. apt-get install swat
[07:49] <goo> kakalto: dpkg -L openoffice.org | grep icons
[07:50] <SQL_Sam> thanks
[07:50] <geneo93> Gigglesworth:  when you have 2 devices on same channel it reduces speed by half
[07:50] <srs> what is swat?
[07:50] <Gigglesworth> If they are on different IDE channels, yes. You can do it when they are on the same channel, it's just slower.
[07:50] <pixil9> samba web config on port 901
[07:50] <mark> but on seperate channels, is there any speed lost?
[07:50] <kakalto> goo, thanks :D
[07:50] <SQL_Sam> couldnt find package swat?
[07:50] <goo> np :)
[07:50] <mark> alright, thank you...
[07:50] <srs> X.org is faster! :>
[07:51] <dazed_> SQL_Sam: its there i got it today
[07:51] <pixil9> cyphase: so you installed libapache-mod-python libapache-modpython2.3 & 2.4
[07:51] <pixil9> ?\
[07:51] <mark> I should try it out then
[07:51] <geneo93> mark if you dont have any other devices on them like cdrom or dvd
[07:51] <SQL_Sam> matt@ubuntu:~$ sudo apt-get install swat
[07:51] <SQL_Sam> Reading package lists... Done
[07:51] <SQL_Sam> Building dependency tree... Done
[07:51] <SQL_Sam> E: Couldn't find package swat
[07:51] <SQL_Sam> ??
[07:51] <cyphase> pixil9: yes
[07:51] <cyphase> pixil9: 2.4
[07:51] <pixil9> Did u restart apache lol
[07:51] <srs> SQL_Sam: did you add any mirror to sources.list?
[07:51] <mark> geneo93: I only have two dvd drives...
[07:51] <dazed_> SQL_Sam: 'apt-cache search swat
[07:51] <cyphase> pixil9: yea
[07:51] <pixil9> SQL_Sam, ya you need another source
[07:51] <dazed_> '
[07:51] <cyphase> pixil9: after evert change
[07:52] <cyphase> pixil9: every*
[07:52] <srs> SQL_Sam: are you trying soon after a fresh installation
[07:52] <srs> ?
[07:52] <goo> One thing I miss in Debian-based distros is the ability to see wich repo a package will be installed from
[07:52] <goo> Or is that possible in some way?
[07:52] <srs> goo: what do you mean by repo?
[07:52] <nickrud> goo, apt-cache show will have the repository
[07:52] <SQL_Sam> i've installed samba
[07:52] <srs> goo: oh! repository
[07:53] <SQL_Sam> tried a restart and get a failure
[07:53] <goo> srs: yeah :)
[07:53] <pixil9> I'm showin it in universe
[07:53] <goo> nickrud: ah... goodie! Thanks :)
[07:53] <srs> goo: apt-cache show package_name
[07:53] <cyphase> pixil9: i've also added the directives at http://www.modpython.org/live/current/doc-html/inst-testing.html
[07:53] <SQL_Sam> then i did testparm
[07:53] <SQL_Sam> got the following...
[07:53] <SQL_Sam> matt@ubuntu:~$ sudo testparm /etc/samba/smb.conf
[07:53] <SQL_Sam> Load smb config files from /etc/samba/smb.conf
[07:53] <SQL_Sam> Processing section "[homes] "
[07:53] <SQL_Sam> Processing section "[printers] "
[07:53] <SQL_Sam> Processing section "[print$] "
[07:53] <SQL_Sam> params.c:Section() - Empty section name in configuration file.
[07:53] <SQL_Sam> params.c:pm_process() - Failed.  Error returned from params.c:parse().
[07:54] <nickrud> goo, there's also dpkg-gctrl, if you're adventurous (I'm not :)
[07:54] <srs> SQL_Sam: `what does apt-cache show swat' say?
[07:54] <kkathman> howdy all :)
[07:54] <SQL_Sam> samba - a LanManager-like file and printer server for Unix
[07:54] <pixil9> Maybe sway is in backports
[07:54] <pixil9> swat*
[07:55] <pixil9> deb http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/backports hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[07:55] <pixil9> deb http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/backports hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[07:55] <SQL_Sam> matt@ubuntu:~$ sudo apt-cache show swat
[07:55] <SQL_Sam> W: Unable to locate package swat
[07:55] <SQL_Sam> E: No packages found
[07:55] <goo> nickrud: well, it shows the section and the filename.. what if two repo(sitorie)s has the same package? How do i know wich one is used?
[07:55] <pixil9> try those.
[07:55] <dazed_> pixil9: nope
[07:55] <dazed_> i dont use backports
[07:55] <dazed_> and i got it
[07:55] <pixil9> Well synaptic shows it in universe
[07:55] <pixil9> so i dunno
[07:55] <JaGWiRE``> mm
[07:55] <srs> goo: the latest release of the two will be installed
[07:55] <kkathman> typically a package wont  be in two repos
[07:56] <srs> goo: the latest release of the two will be installed
[07:56] <dazed_> SQL_Sam: u sure ur repos are enbaled?
[07:56] <SQL_Sam> not sure
[07:56] <kkathman> unless you are using non-ubuntu repos
[07:56] <JaGWiRE``> is there anyway to make ubuntu or any linux distro let me make functions for 2 extra buttons on my notebook (Named p1 and p2), in windows they can change the amount of sound and video brightness.
[07:56] <nickrud> apt-cache policy (and it shows the repositories better :)
[07:56] <JaGWiRE``> Anything like that in nix?
[07:56] <srs> bye all
[07:56] <dazed_> SQL_Sam: goto synaptic and check your repos
[07:56] <geargolem> i did $sudo mount /dev/hdb1 /home then edited /etc/fstab to /dev/hdb1	/home		ext3	defaults	0	0
[07:57] <nickrud> apt-cache policy mplayer
[07:57] <geargolem> is that correct?
[07:57] <SQL_Sam> k
[07:57] <nickrud> hey this isn't my terminal :_
[07:57] <pixil9> geargolem, looks good to me.. you can always unmount it and type mount -a
[07:57] <pixil9> geargolem, see if it works.
[07:57] <srs> btw... if your ncurses display has conked up... possible solution may be got through by changing the locale to en_US
[07:57] <pixil9> geargolem, -a reloads /etc/fstab without rebooting.
[07:57] <goo> nickrud: ahhhh... brilliant! Thanks a lot for saving me the trouble of reading those tiresome man pages ;-D
[07:58] <Gigglesworth> Hrm... Georgolem, is there already a /home directory?
[07:58] <nickrud> I've been playing with apt-cache for a long time, and thanks for tickling that memory cell :)
[07:58] <Gigglesworth> If you mount a new directory /home on top of an existing direcotry /home , the originial directory will disappear (but it's still there)
[07:58] <goo> :)
[07:59] <geargolem> it seems to work, pixil9
[07:59] <JaGWiRE``> is there anyway to make ubuntu or any linux distro let me make functions for 2 extra buttons on my notebook (Named p1 and p2), in windows they can change the amount of sound and video brightness. I am curious if is possible to assign these 2 extra buttons features. Also, is there anyway to easily adjust laptop screen lcd brightness and sound level in ubuntu?
[07:59] <dazed_> find it SQL_Sam
[07:59] <dazed_> ?
[07:59] <kkathman> we heard you the first time JaGWiRE``  you might try later with someone else that might know
[07:59] <geargolem> how do I change grub that my 2nd hd is mounted on /home of 1st and not warty?
[08:00] <JaGWiRE``> No, I just wanted to add some info.
[08:00] <dazed_> JaGWiRE``: goto ur control center and enter into your key binder
[08:00] <JaGWiRE``> Didn't mean to repeat pruposely.
[08:00] <JaGWiRE``> :)
[08:00] <JaGWiRE``> K dazed, i'll look aorund later when I get done with installing ubuntu.
[08:00] <JaGWiRE``> Ubuntu = full support for 2100 out of the box, right?
[08:00] <SQL_Sam> no
[08:00] <dazed_> oh ok
[08:00] <dazed_> well its definately possible
[08:00] <dazed_> every button can be made to do something
[08:00] <SQL_Sam> did a search and found nothing for swat
[08:00] <dazed_> did u check ur repos
[08:00] <dazed_> make sure they are all enabled
[08:00] <JaGWiRE``> repos?
[08:01] <SQL_Sam> repository
[08:01] <dazed> not you JaGWiRE``
[08:02] <goo> I wish the Zend people would make .debs (and other formats) from Zend studio instead of that java installer-thingy..
[08:02] <dazed> did u check SQL_Sam cuz swat is DEFINATELY in univers
[08:02] <dazed> e
[08:02] <kkathman> goo  I had no problem installing on my system
[08:02] <SQL_Sam> i dont know if i'm looking in the right place
[08:02] <kkathman> goo but I agree with you...would be much better :)
[08:02] <goo> kkathman: neither had I, but I also still believes in Santa Claus at the age of 30 ;)
[08:03] <dazed> SQL_Sam: you in synaptic?
[08:03] <kkathman> goo thats ok...I do too :)
[08:03] <kkathman> goo and im significantly past 30
[08:03] <dazed> SQL_Sam: once in synaptic goto 'Settings' tab click 'Repositories' and check the boxes on all the un checked boxes
[08:03] <goo> Next time I see them I have to nag about it, last time I just nagged for emacs keybinding support and something as good as ediff-mode :)
[08:04] <SQL_Sam> yes
[08:04] <dazed> SQL_Sam: they all checked (double check Universe repo)
[08:04] <meng> hi
[08:04] <dazed> then click reload on synaptic
[08:05] <goo> kkathman: ah, I was being a bit ashamed for beliving in Santa, but now I'll go on beliving till the day I die, thanks to your support :)
[08:05] <dazed> then search for swat
[08:05] <dazed> and see if it comes up
[08:05] <meng> how to enable the fglrx opengl drivers
[08:05] <kkathman> goo  please do...makes things much brighter in your life :)
[08:05] <meng> and i have seen the wiki
[08:05] <nickrud> I'll go along with that, as long as he doesn't look like tim allen.
[08:06] <pixil9> ya santa is real
[08:06] <Gigglesworth> Goo: Santa is alive and well. He's the spirit of christmas :)
[08:06] <pixil9> at the shopping mall.
[08:06] <goo> nickrud: or Billie-bob thornton (or what's his name)
[08:06] <nickrud> gimmie timmmmy!!!
[08:06] <Gigglesworth> But beware the Easter Buggy
[08:07] <dazed> which it SHOULD with 3 other name related packages none of which u need
[08:07] <goo> Gigglesworth: there ya go! Some 8 months till Zend studio comes in Pretty Packaging then.
[08:07] <Gigglesworth> Well, it's winter in the sourthern hemisphere, so maybe it's Christmas too!
[08:08] <meng> i need help for my opengl renderer
[08:08] <meng> it still says MESA, though i installed the fglrx drivers already
[08:08] <Gigglesworth> Ok: Quick, Dumb irc question. How to I supress all these 'joe has joined #ubuntu', 'jane has left #ubuntu' messages. Is it a client-specific option?
[08:09] <Gigglesworth> I can't find the option... (using x-chat)
[08:10] <pixil9> pretty much everything comes in raw irc mode then the client decodes what it wants.
[08:10] <tvelocity[away] > Gigglesworth, right click on the #ubuntu tab -> # ubuntu -> show join/part messages
[08:10] <pixil9> such as typing /quote PRIVMSG #ubuntu :hi you suck
[08:10] <pixil9> would be raw
[08:10] <allorder> hi
[08:11] <Gigglesworth> Thank you! Gettin' tired of the extra stuff.
[08:11] <nickrud> pixil9, (being an irc newbie too) what would that look like on my client?
[08:11] <pixil9> huh
[08:11] <SQL_Sam> is there suppossed to be a package called universe?
[08:11] <nickrud> ok, I'll go read.
[08:11] <pixil9> Does deborphan work properly with ubuntu?
[08:11] <allorder> is it normal that apt-get didnt find anything to upgrade since a week ?
[08:11] <pixil9> nickrud: what do u mean
[08:12] <crimsun> pixil9: yes, it does.
[08:12] <pixil9> nickrud: i was just saying all irc shit is sent in raw.. and your client decodes it.. like mirc or xchat
[08:12] <pixil9> or epic
[08:12] <pixil9> etc
[08:12] <crimsun> allorder: for Hoary, yes. Hoary's frozen and will receive only security updates.
[08:12] <nickrud> pixil9, I don't know enough about irc to really know what I mean :)
[08:12] <pixil9> crimsun: k.
[08:12] <allorder> crimsun: ok, thx
[08:12] <nickrud> but what would happen If I sent that exact string?
[08:12] <Gigglesworth> ok, so it is all client-side options.
[08:12] <pixil9> deborphan | xargs apt-get -y remove --purge <<-- best command
[08:12] <nickrud> but I can also go read :)
[08:13] <pixil9> nickrud: it'd send a msg to the channel
[08:13] <Tomcat_> pixil9: That only removes the orphaned libs though. :)
[08:13] <Gigglesworth> nickrud: Basically, all the messages & crap are sent to your client. It's up to your client to give you options to remove the extra crud.
[08:13] <SQL_Sam> i see no package named swat
[08:13] <nickrud> ah, so when I hit enter, that's what sent?
[08:13] <pixil9> Tomcat_, ya.. the rest you gotta do manually right?
[08:13] <Gigglesworth> I couldn't find the option to remove the crud in Chatzilla...
[08:14] <nickrud> client formats, & it appears as a regular line
[08:14] <nickrud> I'll go read
[08:14] <Tomcat_> pixil9: Well the same line with deborphan -a would be kinda "interesting" :D
[08:14] <tvelocity[away] > Gigglesworth, chatzilla is a _very_ basic client
[08:15] <pixil9> Tomcat_, I think i'll stay with the manual removal :P
[08:15] <pixil9> what the hell do i need python for anyway
[08:15] <Gigglesworth> Yeah... it's good enough for my purposes mostly. Except I can't turn off the join/leave messages
[08:16] <ivoks> ola
[08:16] <Gigglesworth> Yeah Pixil, you can do it all with PERL!
[08:16] <pixil9> al lots of stuff
[08:16] <ivoks> ehlo ubuntu
[08:16] <pixil9> i didn't know gnome used to much shit
[08:16] <pixil9> I'm a freebsd server freak w/ windows xp.. so a full debian + ubuntu freak .. x is new to me :P
[08:16] <pixil9> to a*
[08:17] <ivoks> i heard god's name: debian
[08:18] <Gigglesworth> Debian? That's not god, it's Devilian!
[08:18] <nickrud> no, he's now known as Overfiend :)
[08:18] <ivoks> it's a God, with capital G
[08:19] <ivoks> there wouldn't be ubuntu if there wasn't debian
[08:19] <ivoks> so.. that makes Debian... what? A God :)
[08:19] <ivoks> or, better... The God
[08:19] <ivoks> :)
[08:20] <Gigglesworth> Adam to eve.
[08:20] <\sh> ivoks: godfather
[08:20] <\sh> and ubuntu is godson
[08:20] <meng> more like debian's chil
[08:20] <ivoks> nope... God
[08:20] <meng> child
[08:20] <ivoks> God creates life
[08:20] <ivoks> :)
[08:21] <meng> or according to darwin, evolution
[08:21] <Gigglesworth> Debian is like the old, conservative father who's done it all, and just wants a nice stable environment. Ubuntu is the young punk kid who wants to try new things.
[08:21] <tga> ubuntu is based on darwin?
[08:21] <\sh> what? darwin is responsible for this gnome mail client ,-)
[08:21] <ivoks> LOL
[08:21] <ivoks> tga no... ubuntu is based on Debian Linux
[08:22] <tga> I thought Darwin was an OS X thing
[08:22] <Agrajag> uh, Charles Darwin was practically the father of evolutionary theory
[08:22] <ivoks> tga no, Darwin is OS
[08:22] <Gigglesworth> The last time I seriously looked at Debian was 6 years ago. They were saying the same things, but all the nice friendly programs didn't really exist yet (Gnome 0.99!). it's nice to see Ubuntu picking up the spirit.
[08:23] <Agrajag> what do they teach you kids these days
[08:23] <ivoks> wich Apple used for his MacOSX
[08:23] <meng> but in the end alot of the other OSes are unix based
[08:23] <karljp> do I have to use initrd if I want to make my own kernel?
[08:23] <meng> except for MS windows
[08:23] <Gigglesworth> Well, DOS was inspired by Unix, and DOS begat Windows.
[08:24] <Smeven> karljp: only to load modules on boot
[08:24] <Agrajag> haha no it wasn't
[08:24] <Gigglesworth> Sure it was! :)
[08:24] <Agrajag> it was based on CP/M
[08:24] <ivoks> Gigglesworth ? :)
[08:24] <karljp> so as long as I change the CONFIG_IDE stuff to y instead of m, from the default config that comes with the stock hoary 2.6.10 kernel
[08:24] <Gigglesworth> Ok... but some of the commands are/were the same!
[08:24] <karljp> I should be fine to make my kernel with make-kpkg and no --initrd flag?
[08:25] <ivoks> jesus...
[08:25] <Smeven> you called my name? ;)
[08:25] <ivoks> and how would u "recommand" move command?
[08:26] <dhonn> you can use initrd with mkinitrd
[08:26] <revelater> anyone know of a good distro for a 25khz 4mb ram computer
[08:26] <Gigglesworth> Well, I don't know about 'move', but dos has 'dir |more'. Which probably stems from CP/M.
[08:26] <Gigglesworth> My knowledge of OS's fails before 1990...
[08:26] <Gigglesworth> Revelater: Check out Minix (seriously)
[08:27] <dhonn> i learned computers on a windows3.1 desktopmanager on top of dos 6.2
[08:27] <Gigglesworth> Check out this thread from my usergroup: http://www.weak.org/pipermail/buug/2005-April/002712.html ... someone asked a similar question just last week.
[08:27] <pixil9> i started with dos in 88 or 89 with an XT turbo boost from 2MHz to 4MHz
[08:27] <Gigglesworth> bah! I had Windows 3.0! Beat that!
[08:27] <dhonn> cant dude
[08:28] <pixil9> my best friend had a dual floppy machine.. no hd haha
[08:28] <Gigglesworth> Oh right, I had an Apple IIe when I was a kid. I remember playing some pacman ripoff over and over again.
[08:28] <dhonn> i have a dual cd machine for a live cd and an mp3 cd
[08:28] <dhonn> no hd
[08:29] <crimsun> I'm running off a livecd atm, too
[08:29] <Gigglesworth> and loading the good animated menu system onto all of my floppy disks. It had text at the bottom which scrolled all the commands like [D] ir, [L] oad, [R] un.
[08:29] <geneo93> crimsun:  is the mandriva move
[08:30] <Skif> Has anybody gotten mythtv running on ubuntu?
[08:30] <Gigglesworth> This liveCD is pretty good. I'm running it off of vmware. It's plenty fast... (actually it's an .iso running on a CDDrive emulator).
[08:30] <geneo93> s/the/that
[08:31] <crimsun> geneo93: no, at work I use the ubuntu 5.04 livecd; here at home I use the kubuntu 5.04 livecd
[08:31] <geneo93> oh crimsun you like kde i take it
[08:32] <karljp> what's the motivation for running a livecd as your normal way of operation?
[08:32] <ivoks> none
[08:32] <crimsun> geneo93: well I'm fairly pragmatic
[08:32] <crimsun> geneo93: don't necessarily like one more than another
[08:33] <geneo93> crimsun:  but kde works better for me
[08:33] <ReleaseX> when i do an apt-get update i get a lot of failed to fetch ... 500 internal server error, some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead
[08:33] <crimsun> geneo93: :)
[08:34] <geneo91> sorry got disconnected
[08:34] <geargolem> successfully mounted 2 HD at /mnt/hd2  :P
[08:35] <Gigglesworth> Geargolem: Is that what you wanted?
[08:35] <geargolem> it will work.  but my grub still says warty on boot
[08:35] <neighborlee> anyone else getting public key errors with marilatt ?
[08:35] <ivoks> import keys
[08:35] <neighborlee> W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net stable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907
[08:36] <geneo91> geargolem:  uname -a
[08:36] <revelater> how do i record iso's to a cd?
[08:36] <ivoks> neighborlee ubuntuguide.org
[08:36] <crimsun> revelater: try k3b or graveman
[08:36] <ivoks> gnomerecord
[08:36] <ivoks> gnomeburner
[08:36] <ivoks> fuck
[08:36] <ivoks> gnomebaker :)
[08:36] <neighborlee> ^
[08:36] <geargolem> uname -a ....what?
[08:37] <neighborlee> gives version of current running kernel
[08:37] <ivoks> neighborlee gpg --keyserver wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net --recv-keys 1F41B907
[08:37] <geargolem> uname -a /dev/hdb1?
[08:37] <geneo91> that will give you release date
[08:37] <ivoks> neighborlee gpg --armor --export 1F41B907 | sudo apt-key add -
[08:37] <ivoks> neighborlee sudo apt-get update
[08:37] <geneo91> Linux ubuntu 2.6.10-5-686-smp #1 SMP Tue Apr 5 12:41:40 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
[08:37] <neighborlee>  k thx
[08:38] <geargolem> what do I need that for?
[08:38] <ReleaseX> when i do an apt-get update i get a lot of failed to fetch ... 500 internal server error, some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead
[08:38] <geneo91> you say grub still says warty maybe your running warty
[08:38] <ivoks> u have errors in /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:39] <bignose-ork> karljp: one I can think of: your workstation is whatever computer you find yourself at
[08:39] <Tomcat_> ReleaseX: Do you use the Ubuntuforums Repo?
[08:39] <geargolem> hoary on hd1         warty on hd2   at grub
[08:39] <bignose-ork> eep.
[08:39] <ivoks> geneo91 wouldn't it be easier to just shange that line in /boot/grub/menu.lst?
[08:39] <geneo91> yup
[08:39] <ivoks> s/shange/change
[08:39] <ivoks> at least, he will be quiet :)
[08:40] <geargolem> change the line in /boot/grub/menu.lst?
[08:40] <ReleaseX> tomcat_: ye
[08:40] <ReleaseX> tomcat_: yes
[08:40] <ivoks> geargolem yes
[08:40] <carlos> hello
[08:40] <ivoks> grub isn't AI, he just tells u what u told him before
[08:40] <Tomcat_> ReleaseX: I think they have a problem with their server... I got that too today. Didn't change my sources.list though.
[08:41] <carlos> i am having a little bit of an issue with my keyboard under linux
[08:41] <ReleaseX> tomcat_: alright, thanks
[08:41] <ivoks> carlos all croats do too :)
[08:41] <carlos> okay
[08:41] <ivoks> what's urs?
[08:41] <geargolem> ivoks, bear with me.   edit hd2 titles?  to what?
[08:41] <Tomcat_> ReleaseX: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=28532&highlight=500+internal+server+error
[08:42] <ivoks> geargolem open /boot/grub/menu.lst
[08:42] <carlos> well my issue has something to do with the keyboard buffer perhaps even the touchpaad driver
[08:42] <geargolem> ok, did ivoks
[08:42] <ivoks> search for Warthy and change it to CptCook
[08:42] <geargolem> CptCook?  what the hell is that?
[08:42] <stevenj> can someone tell me how to change the gnome icons in the panel tray (i.e., volume icon)  - thanks
[08:42] <ivoks> ok, u can place PeterPan
[08:43] <carlos> bassically a key will get stuck for no good reason at random intervals and it's also a key at random
[08:43] <carlos> by a key i mean any key
[08:43] <ivoks> carlos USB keyboard?
[08:43] <geargolem> this?
[08:43] <geargolem> title		Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.10-5-686
[08:43] <geargolem> root		(hd0,0)
[08:43] <geargolem> kernel		/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.10-5-686 root=/dev/hda1 ro quiet splash
[08:43] <geargolem> initrd		/boot/initrd.img-2.6.10-5-686
[08:43] <geargolem> savedefault
[08:43] <geargolem> boot
[08:44] <carlos> no ivoks its the keyboard that comes with my laptop
[08:44] <geargolem> meant this;
[08:44] <geargolem> # This entry automatically added by the Debian installer for an existing
[08:44] <geargolem> # linux installation on /dev/hdb1.
[08:44] <geargolem> title		Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.8.1-5-386 (on /dev/hdb1)
[08:44] <geargolem> root		(hd1,0)
[08:44] <geargolem> kernel		/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8.1-5-386 root=/dev/hdb1 ro quiet splash
[08:44] <geargolem> initrd		/boot/initrd.img-2.6.8.1-5-386
[08:44] <geargolem> savedefault
[08:44] <ivoks> carlos which lap?
[08:44] <geargolem> boot
[08:44] <geneo91> nite all
[08:44] <ivoks> geargolem how many discs u have?
[08:44] <geargolem> 2 ivoks
[08:44] <ivoks> and u have two instalations of ubuntu
[08:45] <carlos> ivoks it's a toshiba satellite m35 s320
[08:45] <ReleaseX> tomcat_: that's the one, thanks for the hint
[08:45] <Gigglesworth> nite geoeo
[08:45] <geargolem> ivoks, installed hoary over winme, had warty on 2nd
[08:46] <ivoks> geargolem and what's ur problem then?
[08:46] <ivoks> carlos hm... have no clue... is that happening in X or in console?
[08:46] <geargolem> i did mke3fs on 2nd hd, but grub still says warty on 2nd hd on boot
[08:46] <ivoks> geargolem just erase in that menu.lst second part
[08:46] <DaemonDazz> geargolem: grub doesn't look at the disks at boot time
[08:47] <geargolem> erase all warty stuff
[08:47] <ivoks> geargolem that with hd(1,0)
[08:47] <carlos> thivoks this error happens in X only
[08:47] <carlos> and it occurs randomly
[08:47] <geargolem> hdb1 ivoks
[08:47] <carlos> i had a similar problem in windows
[08:47] <ivoks> carlos then it's obvius a hardware error
[08:48] <carlos> ind i solved it by installing a different version of the synaptics  ouchpad driver
[08:48] <ivoks> carlos ah... synaptic touchpad?!
[08:48] <stevenj> or does anyone know how to hide to icons in the gnome panel -- like the ugly gdesklets icon?
[08:48] <carlos> yes ivoks
[08:48] <mebaran151> what is the new development branch
[08:48] <ivoks> carlos there is synaptic driver too for linux
[08:48] <ivoks> carlos do u use it?
[08:49] <carlos> i have the synaptcs driver that came with the hoary cd ivoks
[08:49] <carlos> i am not sure that i am using it though
[08:50] <ivoks> carlos lsmod
[08:50] <ivoks> and see if there is synaptic anyehere
[08:50] <ivoks> where
[08:50] <geargolem> hdb1 is mke3fs, then mounted on /mnt/2hd  but still shows warty on grub on boot
[08:51] <ivoks> carlos u should change ur xorg.conf too
[08:51] <ivoks> geargolem jesus... send me ur menu.lst over dcc
[08:52] <mebaran151> what is the new development branch
[08:52] <mebaran151> all my software is broken at the freeze
[08:52] <mebaran151> xpdf and xmms
[08:52] <mebaran151> both segfault
[08:52] <mebaran151> and neither have successful source compiles
[08:52] <carlos> yes ivoks i can confirm you that the driver is installed
[08:52] <ivoks2> jesus man...
[08:52] <carlos> but
[08:52] <ivoks2> dcc, not chat
[08:52] <crimsun> mebaran151: Breezy is the development branch
[08:53] <ivoks> carlos ok, that's ok... check out ur xorg.conf
[08:53] <crimsun> mebaran151: I can't really do much for xmms (since it's in main), but you could try beep-media-player
[08:53] <carlos> okay, let me fire up a gedit with that
[08:53] <crimsun> I uploaded a new snapshot two days ago
[08:54] <ivoks> geargolem ?
[08:54] <ivoks> jesus...
[08:54] <ivoks> he pastes me whole menu.lst to private
[08:54] <ivoks> with comments
[08:54] <ivoks> :)
[08:54] <ivoks> omg
[08:54] <carlos> okay ivoks i have my xorg.conf up
[08:55] <ircbot_> anyone use jabber?
[08:55] <ivoks> wait a minute untill geargolem cools
[08:55] <azuroth> sure
[08:55] <geargolem> yes?
[08:55] <geargolem> no, geargolem
[08:55] <ircbot_> it seems my jabber connection is acting goofy and i'm trying to figure out why
[08:56] <ivoks> geargolem u know what DCC is?
[08:56] <azuroth> maybe you can't figure out why because your inferior non-human brain. hah!
[08:56] <carlos> okay ivoks i do havvvvvvvvvvve <---(see what i mean?) the synaptics driver installed
[08:56] <geargolem> no
[08:56] <ivoks> carlos sudo apt-get install xorg-driver-synaptics
[08:56] <carlos> okay
[08:57] <ivoks> and tpconfig
[08:58] <carlos> ivoks the driver is already in place in my system
[08:58] <IIIEars> Hello! - My screen and net configurations can be backed up?
[08:58] <crimsun> IIIEars: yes. Back up /etc/X11/xorg.conf and /etc/network/interfaces
[08:58] <IIIEars> What files are saved how do i do that?
[08:58] <ivoks> carlos in ur xorg.conf
[08:58] <IIIEars> Great! - THank You
[08:59] <mebaran151> do we have a new development branch yet
[08:59] <ivoks> carlos u have section Module
[08:59] <crimsun> mebaran151: see above.
[08:59] <mebaran151> sorry crimsun
[08:59] <mebaran151> been gone
[08:59] <ivoks> carlos did u find?
[08:59] <carlos> yes ivoks i do have a section Module
[08:59] <karljp> can anyone help me set up gnome volumen manager to work with my flash card reader?
[08:59] <mebaran151> crimsun, beep media player works
[08:59] <mebaran151> that is what I have been using
[08:59] <karljp> if I mount it manually to /media/cf
[08:59] <crimsun> mebaran151: good.
[08:59] <ivoks> carlos add there Load "synaptics"
[08:59] <karljp> it pops up nicely on my desktop, and I can right click to unmount it.
[09:00] <pixil9> karljp: have you tried mounting /dev/sda1
[09:00] <karljp> but I can't work out how automatically mount it when I stick it in.
[09:00] <pixil9> i dunno my camera is on sda1
[09:00] <carlos> okay ivoks i have written that on the conf file
[09:00] <ivoks> carlos maybe better... read /usr/share/doc/xorg-driver-synaptics/README.Debian
[09:00] <karljp> yeah, I can manually mount it.
[09:00] <karljp> I just want it to get mounted when I insert it.
[09:00] <ivoks> carlos everything u need is there so i don't have to paste it...
[09:00] <carlos> will certainly do ivoks
[09:01] <pixil9> ah i dunno
[09:01] <carlos> driver-synaptics/README.debian
[09:01] <pixil9> what if the card is in then you connect the usb
[09:01] <IIIEars> automatic mounting of stuf is in init.rd? (yes - lol - i am new.)
[09:02] <dazed> im bored fa sho
[09:02] <pixil9> IIIEars, no.
[09:02] <crimsun> IIIEars: handled by hotplug, which is a userspace util that pulls information from sysfs
[09:02] <karljp> pixil: it's actually a kind of notnormal cardreader, so basically, if /dev/hde1 exists, then the card is in,
[09:02] <IIIEars> ah. - okay - where is it?
[09:02] <karljp> if it doesn'te exist, it's not.
[09:02] <crimsun> IIIEars: where is what? :)
[09:02] <pixil9> I was just thinking if ya had the card in.. then plugged in the usb it would automount it
[09:03] <crimsun> IIIEars: /sbin/hotplug uses scripts and configuration files in /etc/hotplug/
[09:04] <ivoks> hotplug rocks, and dbus-1 too
[09:05] <carlos> ty ivoks, i have a lot of info to digest here
[09:05] <carlos> prolly this will be helpful
[09:05] <IIIEars> sysfs is in which directory?
[09:05] <IIIEars> (lol - being new means ya are never too embarrased to ask the obvious question)
[09:05] <IIIEars> goggle is my friend - grin
[09:05] <IIIEars> Hi crimsun
[09:05] <crimsun> IIIEars: /sys/ :)
[09:05] <mebaran151> anyone segfaulting xpdf
[09:06] <mebaran151> that annoys me
[09:06] <kakalto> where are the games icons stored for gnome?
[09:06] <karljp> I've got my fstab setup so that mount /media/cf correctly mounts my flash card, and puts a "1gig removable media" icon on my desktop to access it by
[09:06] <kakalto> not /usr/share/icons
[09:06] <IIIEars> Thanks - 'prolly not the last obvious question. (sheepish grin)
[09:06] <kakalto> somewhere else?
[09:06] <karljp> but I'm not sure how to make that work automatically, justl ike the way cds work
[09:06] <crimsun> kakalto: /usr/share/pixmaps for the applications, /usr/share/... otherwise
[09:06] <kakalto> thanks
[09:07] <ivoks> well, of i go...
[09:08] <nived> [1]  21:22 nived on #ubuntu (+cnt) * type /help for help/quit
[09:08] <ivoks> ?
[09:08] <ivoks> bye folks
[09:09] <pixil9> kakalto: http://gallery.gfxed.com for good png icons to put in /usr/share/pixmaps
[09:10] <ircbot_> anyone use transset?
[09:10] <munki> ircbot_ , a bit .
[09:10] <ircbot_> any good?
[09:11] <munki> nah, don't wanna use apps like that :)
[09:12] <ircbot_> ?
[09:12] <munki> i like my windows when they are not transparent
[09:12] <ircbot_> oh well i like transparency
[09:12] <munki> but yes, it works .
[09:13] <munki> can't you get it working ?
[09:13] <ircbot_> haven't installed it
[09:13] <ircbot_> was wondering if it was any good before i did
[09:13] <munki> yeah , :) it makes windows look transparent
[09:15] <tga> it eats up cpu cycles for nothing
[09:15] <ircbot_> that's what i was wondering
[09:15] <tga> best thing ever when you've got no direct rendering
[09:15] <ircbot_> how heavy on the cpu it was
[09:15] <tga> imho you don't wanna really use it
[09:15] <tga> it's only good for eye candy when talking to a Mac guy
[09:15] <Jen20> heres a silly q. how do you connect to the net? firefox doesnt launch a dialler, and there doesnt seem to be modem dialers in the internet folder or anything in the network-connect to servers
[09:16] <ircbot_> haha
[09:16] <ircbot_> Jen20: what kind of modem is it?
[09:16] <Jen20> ircbot_, inside the computer, connected to a phoneline
[09:16] <tga> Jen20: if it's a win modem you're SOL
[09:16] <ircbot_> Jen20: that doesn't help for shit
[09:17] <ircbot_> Jen20: lspci
[09:17] <tga> ircbot_: at least you know it's not a cable modem :)
[09:17] <ircbot_> look for the modem
[09:17] <ircbot_> tga:  i saw an internal cable modem a couple of times
[09:17] <dazed> whats the command to edit xorg?
[09:17] <munki> Jen20 , is it a dial-up thing ?
[09:17] <tga> ircbot_: eek :\
[09:17] <ircbot_> dazed vi /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:17] <Jen20> munki, yeah
[09:18] <munki> dazen , nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:18] <tga> dazed: nano -w /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:18] <dazed> thanks
[09:18] <tga> bad ircbot_, telling noobs to vi
[09:18] <ircbot_> haha
[09:18] <ircbot_> vi rocks
[09:18] <ircbot_> except on slackware... it acts all kinds of fucked up on slack
[09:18] <tga> you also mispelled emacs
[09:18] <munki> Jen20 , okay. then use ppp .
[09:19] <tga> I remember there was a dialer in gnome
[09:19] <munki> Jen20 , pppoeconf i think
[09:19] <tga> wvdial or something
[09:19] <tga> munki: buzz, no pppoe on dialup
[09:19] <ircbot_> pppoe is for ppp over ethernet
[09:19] <ircbot_> that's not what she wants
[09:19] <tga> editing ppp scripts is fugly too
[09:19] <ircbot_> wvdial is grand however
[09:19] <tga> Jen20: try using wvdial
[09:19] <Jen20> munki, tga, do i get to those from "run"?
[09:20] <ircbot_> oh dear
[09:20] <tga> Jen20: yeah, try launching wvdial from the "run" thing
[09:20] <tga> Jen20: if it's not installed use synaptic to get it
[09:20] <ircbot_> there is a thingy in linux called "CLI" ... you will need to look into that
[09:20] <tga> E: Couldn't find package cli
[09:21] <ircbot_> tga: goofy ass
[09:21] <munki> I've used ppp over dial-up
[09:21] <Jen20> thanks munki, tga, and cheekybot
[09:21] <munki> and ubuntu got a pppconf .
[09:21] <tga> munki: ppp yes, but not pppoe
[09:21] <munki> tga , yak yak . sorry ;)
[09:21] <ircbot_> pppoe stands for ppp over ethernet... if there is no ethernet you are not using pppoe
[09:22] <munki> ircbot_ , yak yak :) sorry to you too ;)
[09:22] <tga> pppoe is for dsl stuff
[09:22] <ircbot_> yay!
[09:22] <ircbot_> i miss my dsl
[09:22] <tga> and for crappy tunnels :)
[09:22] <ircbot_> my cable company pisses me off... plus if i could get rid of my cable internet i could get rid of the cable tv and that would cut out some of my larger bills
[09:23] <munki> *rr*
[09:23] <tga> cable works fine for me, slightly better than dsl
[09:24] <ircbot_> well i had better service with dsl, and it's the same speed here
[09:24] <munki> :) I don't got cable tv , so -why get cable internet ?
[09:25] <ircbot_> i wish i didn't have cable internet
[09:25] <munki> I use sattelite on my television .
[09:25] <tga> I don't do cable phone, so -why get phone internet
[09:25] <ircbot_> they don't technically offer naked cable here... like you can ask for it, but they charge you $10 extra a month on internet
[09:25] <ircbot_> i don't watch tv
[09:25] <munki> ircbot_ oh okay.. I live in Denmark , so ..
[09:26] <ircbot_> i live in alabama, so...
[09:26] <ircbot_> anyways... going to make sandwiches
[09:26] <munki> I am watching Disney Channel all the time ^^
[09:27] <ircbot_> brb
[09:27] <dazed> how come my usb disks mount read only?
[09:27] <stazich> hey guys, does anyone know why i might have a problem using SU sometimes?? ity does not authenticate me sometimes
[09:27] <munki> dazed , what fs ?
[09:28] <dazed> well my linux is on ext2
[09:28] <dazed> but i dunno what the flash disk is on
[09:28] <munki> dazed , your ext2 mounts read-only ?
[09:28] <dazed> yeah
[09:28] <dazed> ...
[09:28] <munki> dazed , have you tried looking in you fstab ?
[09:29] <tga> flash disk should be vfat
[09:29] <dazed> i cant erase files off my flash disk due to my read only...(im talking about my USB thumb drive)
[09:29] <munki> or are you mounting it manually ?
[09:29] <dazed> no
[09:29] <dazed> read only disk
[09:29] <dazed> it says
[09:29] <dazed> but i dont want to mount it read only
[09:29] <dazed> i want to erase
[09:30] <munki> okay , then look what fstab is set to .
[09:30] <karljp> mount -t vfat /dev/yourcfcardhere /somewhere
[09:30] <karljp> _should_ come up as rw
[09:30] <karljp> (put a sudo in front of mount)
[09:30] <ReleaseX> g'night all
[09:30] <karljp> is that not working for you?
[09:31] <dazed> karljp: illegal option -t
[09:32] <tga> dazed: no need to use -t, let it autodetect the fs
[09:32] <dazed> mount: /media/usbdisk is not a block device
[09:32] <munki> dazed , mount /dev/something
[09:32] <tga> dazed: the first path is to the device
[09:32] <karljp> umm, are you trying to do mount -t vfat /media/usbdisk?
[09:33] <munki>  /media/usbdisk is just a point to
[09:33] <dazed> well which one would it be in def i have hd a-d and 1, 2 and 5
[09:33] <dazed> dev*
[09:33] <karljp> yeah, mount -t vfat /dev/something /media/usbdisk
[09:33] <tga> dazed: dmesg
[09:33] <tga> dazed: look for the last part about the usb disk if you just inserted it
[09:33] <dazed> sda
[09:33] <dazed> that sounds right
[09:34] <munki> mount /dev/sda /somedir
[09:35] <dazed> mount: /dev/sda1 already mounted or /mnt busy
[09:35] <dazed> mount: according to mtab, /dev/sda1 is mounted on /media/usbdisk
[09:35] <munki> dazed , umount /media/usbdisk
[09:35] <munki> and then
[09:35] <munki> mount /dev/sda /media/usbdisk
[09:36] <munki> and then.. wohooo your disk is in /media/usbdisk in rw-mode !
[09:36] <dazed> still read only
[09:36] <aimaz> dazed, is there a switch on the device to make it read only?
[09:36] <dazed> not on this one ...thats why im confused
[09:36] <karljp> hmm,
[09:37] <det> Is GCC 4.0 in ubuntu dependant upon debian sid?
[09:37] <karljp> you could try -o rw
[09:37] <karljp> to try and force it, but I'm not confident it would  change anything I'm afraid
[09:37] <dazed> its cool ill boot my lap into windows in a minute and erase it
[09:37] <det> I think the AMD64 architecture would benefiet a lot over gcc 3.3.5 currently being used
[09:38] <resiak> 08:37 <dpkg> To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id".
[09:38] <munki> dazed , yuk !
[09:39] <dazed> now its telling me i have no permission to write
[09:39] <dazed> f'd up
[09:39] <munki> oh..
[09:39] <munki> tried to erase it, with root user ?
[09:39] <dazed> i JUST JUST JUST wrote to it
[09:39] <dazed> now its saying i have no permission to write to it
[09:40] <Trickyphillips> Can anyone give me the name of software that will allow me to stream audio over the internet, and to other computers on my network?
[09:40] <karljp> you know, it seems I have that problem too.
[09:40] <karljp> but it's never botherd me
[09:40] <karljp> I always just stick the card back in the camera and reformat there.
[09:40] <karljp> so I've never noticed.
[09:40] <dazed> yeah
[09:41] <dazed> well im just trying to transfer files between to nix comps even NFS is givin me problems
[09:41] <dazed> so im all out of solutions
[09:41] <karljp> ftp?
[09:41] <dazed> if i could remember my server pw...
[09:41] <karljp> webfsd
[09:41] <dazed> ?
[09:41] <resiak> dazed: See what I said.
[09:41] <karljp> webfsd -p someport -d here
[09:41] <karljp> then on the other machine, http://machine:someport
[09:42] <karljp> very quick and dirty
[09:42] <karljp> pretty damn handy
[09:42] <dazed> resiak: im not trying to mount with fstab..its a thumb drive its stuck in and out many time
[09:42] <dazed> s
[09:42] <resiak> dazed: Sure, so just apply that information to your mount invocation.
[09:42] <karljp> basically gives you apache's +indexes
[09:42] <karljp> without any of the apache config.
[09:43] <revelater> is there a live cd for macs?
[09:43] <ircbot_> revelater: i believe so let me check
[09:44] <revelater> 8 second lag!!!
[09:44] <ircbot_> http://us.releases.ubuntu.com/releases/5.04/ubuntu-5.04-live-powerpc.iso
[09:44] <ircbot_> revelater: ^
[09:45] <Preston> US Bank sucks and rips off their customers: moderngeek.com/usbank
[09:45] <revelater> cool thanks
[09:45] <ircbot_> nice to know Preston
[09:45] <karljp> they're a bank dude.
[09:45] <karljp> most of them do.
[09:46] <dazed> f it!
[09:46] <jetblack101> when i drag a window in fvwm it centers over the mouse first.. does anyone know how i can set it so that it just drags w/o centering
[09:53] <MartinMM> guten morgen
[09:54] <MartinMM> ich habe eine (vermutlich) alte kiste als frage, die aber berlebenswichtig fr mich ist
[09:54] <kakalto> where is audacity's icon stored?
[09:54] <MartinMM> und alle versuche, ber google fndig zu werden, landeten im aus
[09:54] <kakalto> I tried dpkg -L audacity | grep icons but it came up with nothing
[09:54] <kakalto> MartinMM, #ubuntu-de
[09:55] <MartinMM> oh, sorry
[09:55] <kakalto> :)
[09:55] <kakalto> hey Kamping_Kaiser
[09:55] <MartinMM> see ya
[09:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi kakalto. hows it?
[09:56] <kakalto> yeh, alright
[09:57] <orospakr__> how can one get Ubuntu to authenticate against an SMB server?
[09:57] <kakalto> I re-installed xfce, and am currently in the process of making a decent xfcemenu for it
[09:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> cool
[09:57] <orospakr__> libpam-smb seems to be missing.
[09:57] <karljp> why doesn't sudo work well with redirection?
[09:57] <kakalto> orospakr__, have you tried www.ubuntuguide.org ?
[09:57] <karljp> sudo something > somewhere/that/only/root/can/writeto doesn't work
[09:58] <kakalto> Kamping_Kaiser, since I have gnome, kde & xfce installed, the xfce menu was VERY cluttered
[09:58] <kakalto> so I'm spending a few hours to create a new one :)
[09:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> :) i havent been bothered to change mine
[09:58] <kakalto> want a copy of mine when I'm finished? :P
[09:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> ;) no, i need to learn eventualy
[09:59] <kakalto> since it's all in one file, it's actually editable
[09:59] <kakalto> Kamping_Kaiser, it's very easy. type "xfce4-menueditor" in a terminal
[09:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> nice. i havnt even looked.
[09:59] <kakalto> then edit away
[09:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> oh. nice
[09:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> :) thankis
[09:59] <kakalto> it's not very good, though
[09:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> *thanks
[09:59] <kakalto> it crashes about every hour
[09:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> er...
[09:59] <kakalto> so save frequently :)
[10:00] <kakalto> I'm taking the time to locate icons for all my stuff, you see
[10:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> right... :)
[10:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> yehp
[10:00] <orospakr__> kakalto, doesn't seem to be there.
[10:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> karljp. sorry
[10:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> still asking?
[10:00] <kakalto> orospakr__, there's a section about SMBFS there, isn't ther?
[10:00] <orospakr__> kakalto, yes.
[10:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> try "sudo bash" then in that type your redirection
[10:00] <kakalto> or doesn't it cover what you want
[10:01] <orospakr__> that is not what I asked, though...
[10:01] <orospakr__> sadly not. :(
[10:01] <kakalto> oh, woops
[10:01] <kakalto> sorry, wrong person :)
[10:01] <orospakr__> PAM. :)
[10:01] <karljp> kamping, ok,
[10:01] <karljp> oh, you just mean like sudo -s
[10:01] <karljp> yeah,
[10:01] <karljp> I know tha tworks
[10:02] <kakalto> Kamping_Kaiser, I don't suppose you'd know where audacity's icon would be stored on my system?
[10:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> er. no, fraid not
[10:02] <kakalto> or where on the net I could find audacity's icon?
[10:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> havent looked
[10:02] <karljp> locate audacity?
[10:02] <liable> kakalto: most are in /usr/share/pixmaps
[10:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> ill have a look on my system.
[10:02] <shad0w1e> is the k7 kernel any better than the 386 one?
[10:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> if you have a k7
[10:03] <shad0w1e> i have an athlonxp
[10:03] <jubei> do I have to install any special packages to get evdev mouse input working in games like quake?
[10:03] <_martin> i can't get Wine to work properly on ubuntu
[10:03] <_martin> need help
[10:03] <karljp> heh, define "work properly"
[10:03] <shad0w1e> worked great by me
[10:03] <shad0w1e> it opens up mirc by me
[10:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[10:03] <shad0w1e> and winzip
[10:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> er...?
[10:03] <pepsi> hah, why would you want to use mirc or winzip in linux?
[10:03] <_martin> what packages do i need?
[10:04] <shad0w1e> go to wine's site
[10:04] <karljp> what's wrong with mirc on linux
[10:04] <pepsi> i dunno
[10:04] <karljp> not everyone likes xchat,
[10:04] <shad0w1e> and add the soures into synaptic
[10:04] <shad0w1e> hit update
[10:04] <pepsi> yeah but thats silly
[10:04] <shad0w1e> then search and download wine
[10:04] <shad0w1e> and execute it as
[10:04] <shad0w1e> wine whatever.exe
[10:04] <djp> does anybody know how you go about listening to embedded .sid music with firefox? i am using ubuntu hoary. i have installed the gstreamer-sid plugin and am using mozplugger with firefox. libsidplay1-c102 is also installed. .sid files play locally, however playback of embedded .sid files does not work.
[10:04] <_martin> ok is that better than the version that comes with ubuntu
[10:05] <shad0w1e> so anyway, is the k7 kernel any better for me? im running an athlonXP
[10:05] <_martin> ?
[10:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> shad0w1e. yes
[10:05] <shad0w1e> Kamping_Kaiser: in what way?
[10:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> its optomised for the architecture
[10:06] <_martin> does wine work with games???
[10:06] <shad0w1e> sounds good
[10:06] <shad0w1e> _martin: no. use cedega
[10:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> _martin sometimes
[10:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> not directx
[10:06] <shad0w1e> although i dont know how the hell to get that working..
[10:06] <_martin> ok
[10:06] <_martin> is cedega free?
[10:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> no
[10:06] <shad0w1e> i foind it on google for free
[10:07] <shad0w1e> it was an rpm file
[10:07] <_martin> does it work good?
[10:07] <bob2> that's nice, but off-topic
[10:07] <shad0w1e> i couldnt figure it out, but i didnt try it
[10:07] <shad0w1e> i didnt try too hard*
[10:07] <shad0w1e> anyway I got the rpm, converted it to a .deb using alien, and installed it
[10:07] <_martin> _martin: saff
[10:07] <_martin> how to whisper?
[10:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> cedega used to be called winex and was free, but now you need to pay subscription afaik
[10:08] <_martin> ok work good?
[10:09] <shad0w1e> i totally found it for free and it wasnt on a crack site either
[10:09] <shad0w1e> they said something about them being able to offer it for free, because i dont know why
[10:09] <karljp> you are samrt
[10:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> never used cedega myself, but i have seen ppl playing counterstrike:source online
[10:09] <karljp> good f0r j00
[10:09] <_martin> is it worth the money?
[10:09] <_martin> is it much custumization?
[10:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> _martin not if you can warez it ;) but yes
[10:09] <jubei> is evdev input enabled by default in ubuntu?
[10:10] <shad0w1e> !msg _martin want it?
[10:11] <spotter> does anyone know what "PCI: Unable to handle 64-bit address for device 0000:02:01.0" means?
[10:11] <spotter> getting that and
[10:11] <resiak> _martin: Get cvscedega -- free and legal.
[10:12] <spotter> "PCI: Failed to allocate mem resources #2:c021000@0 for 0000:02:01.0"
[10:12] <djp> does anybody know how you go about listening to embedded .sid music with firefox? i am using ubuntu hoary. i have installed the gstreamer-sid plugin and am using mozplugger with firefox. libsidplay1-c102 is also installed. .sid files play locally, however playback of embedded .sid files does not work.
[10:12] <spotter> and then the e1000 module cant load as complains of resources conflict
[10:12] <spotter> but it works fine in xp
[10:12] <spotter> very annoying as was working fine until now. :(
[10:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> what sound driver should i use for wine?
[10:13] <tga> djp: try mplayerplug-in maybe?
[10:13] <shad0w1e> is there any way to get linux to pick up on my dual display, instead of just stretching everythig and making dialog boxes split between the two screens?
[10:14] <resiak> Yes.
[10:14] <djp> tga: i have checked my mozpluggerrc file and it appears to use the sidplay program to playback .sid files. maybe, i need to install that in order to get embedded .sid files to play...
[10:15] <shad0w1e> resiak: how?
[10:15] <resiak> shad0w1e: I have no idea, but I know it can be done :)
[10:15] <shad0w1e> well thanks
[10:15] <shad0w1e> i figured so
[10:15] <resiak> shad0w1e: Sorry.
[10:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> using X
[10:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> but i dont know how ;)
[10:16] <tga> djp: very likely
[10:16] <smo> I'm not sure how much xinerama differs from nvidia's twinview, but it always "just worked" here.  (for most apps.  gtk1 apps don't seem to notice)
[10:16] <djp> tga: it works! :)
[10:17] <shad0w1e> baasically, my dual display is working but when I maximize a window, it mazimizes it to stretch onto both screens. Windows on the other hand just maximzes it onto the one screen its currently on -- which is what i want
[10:17] <shad0w1e> also my dialog boxes come up in the middle, half on each screen
[10:17] <smo> using gnome?  I know metacity works for me, and blackbox doesn't (in that respect)
[10:17] <kakalto> where is kaffeine's icon stored? I looked in /usr/share/pixmaps and /usr/share/icons/default.kde/ but I can't find it
[10:17] <ircbot_> welcome to ubuntu how can we help you
[10:18] <shad0w1e> look in /usr/share/icons
[10:18] <kakalto> I did, but I can't see it anywhere there
[10:18] <shad0w1e> /usr/share/icons/hicolor/16x16/apps/kaffeine.png
[10:18] <shad0w1e> /usr/share/icons/hicolor/22x22/apps/kaffeine.png
[10:18] <shad0w1e> /usr/share/icons/hicolor/32x32/apps/kaffeine-play.png
[10:18] <shad0w1e> /usr/share/icons/hicolor/32x32/apps/kaffeine-record.png
[10:18] <shad0w1e> /usr/share/icons/hicolor/32x32/apps/kaffeine-pause.png
[10:18] <shad0w1e> /usr/share/icons/hicolor/32x32/apps/kaffeine.png
[10:18] <shad0w1e> /usr/share/icons/hicolor/48x48/apps/kaffeine.png
[10:18] <shad0w1e> /usr/share/icons/hicolor/64x64/apps/kaffeine.png
[10:18] <shad0w1e> /usr/share/icons/hicolor/128x128/apps/kaffeine.png
[10:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> flood
[10:19] <kakalto> hrm
[10:19] <ircbot_> flood much"?
[10:19] <shad0w1e> kakalto: better?
[10:19] <kakalto> I thought it would be in either crystalsvg or default.kde, but you seem to be right :)
[10:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> ircbot_ flood lots
[10:19] <shad0w1e> find /usr/share/icons -name kaf*
[10:19] <kakalto> shad0w1e, point taken.
[10:20] <shad0w1e> are people pissed that I pasted all that in?
[10:20] <shad0w1e> have I erupted anger in the bots?
[10:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> its cool abou tthe flood ;)
[10:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> but whos bot is it? never seen it before
[10:21] <shad0w1e> >>>>> GREETINGS EARTHLING
[10:21] <ircbot_> i'm not a fucking bot
[10:21] <FUZiON2> hello
[10:21] <shad0w1e> damn, a bot with an attitude
[10:22] <shad0w1e> that is so totally cool
[10:22] <shad0w1e> i once saw this bot called biatch
[10:22] <shad0w1e> she was really cool
[10:22] <bassMonkey> =)
[10:22] <FUZiON2> Hoary + Apache2 + WebGUI 6.5.6 Problems
[10:22] <FUZiON2> If anyone else is using this CMS configuration, let me know how to fix this:
[10:22] <FUZiON2> From /var/log/apache2/error.log
[10:22] <FUZiON2> [Fri Apr 22 02:54:37 2005]  [error]  Can't locate ModPerl/Registry.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /var/www/WebGUI/lib /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.4 /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.4 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.8 /usr/share/perl/5.8 /usr/local/lib/site_perl . /etc/apache2/ /etc/apache2/lib/perl) at /var/www/WebGUI/sbin/preload.perl line 19.\nBEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /var/www/WebGUI/sbin/preload.perl line 19.\nCompil
[10:22] <FUZiON2> ation failed in require at (eval 2) line 1.\n
[10:22] <smouche> it's 4:21 in the morning here, and personally I don't mind being flooded with kaffeine.  My system needs the jumpstart...
[10:22] <FUZiON2> [Fri Apr 22 02:54:37 2005]  [error]  Can't load Perl file: /var/www/WebGUI/sbin/preload.perl for server localhost.localdomain:0, exiting...
[10:22] <ircbot_> i'm a bot that likes 2pac
[10:22] <FUZiON2> I used the Pkg manager to dl mod-perl but i don't know what to edit to fix this or where to find the modperl/registry.pm file
[10:22] <FUZiON2> Thanks in advance for your help guys!
[10:22] <ircbot_> FUZiON2: flood much?
[10:22] <shad0w1e> flood is the name of a "They Might Be Giants" album
[10:22] <FUZiON2> that didnt qualify as a flood
[10:23] <ircbot_> FUZiON2: do you think we read anything after 40 lines of shit?
[10:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[10:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> wtf?
[10:23] <shad0w1e> hmm
[10:23] <shad0w1e> why dont I ls my root dir and paste it in the chat as well
[10:23] <ircbot_> FUZiON2: did you add modperl to the apache modules file?
[10:23] <karljp> I suggest that this is not a #ubuntu problem,
[10:23] <jubei> Does anyone know anything about evdev?
[10:23] <shad0w1e> (recursive, of course)
[10:23] <FUZiON2> lemme check
[10:24] <karljp> it looks like a #perl problem
[10:24] <karljp> cpan install ModPerl::Registry
[10:24] <ircbot_> perl gives me a headache
[10:24] <ircbot_> well really regex's give me a headache
[10:24] <ircbot_> but perl is pretty much built on them
[10:24] <karljp> perl is a looooottttt more than regexp
[10:25] <ircbot_> it's more
[10:25] <ircbot_> but the are big part of it
[10:25] <karljp> and it's really just that you don't like the regexps that people often use and show you.
[10:25] <ircbot_> and they hurt my head
[10:25] <karljp> hehe, it's probably more that for problems that are solved with regexps, perl is a good choice
[10:25] <karljp> so you tend to see perl for thigns that are regexp oriented,
[10:25] <ircbot_> i'm sure one of these days i'll learn perl... just not today
[10:25] <karljp> but there are also perl apps that don't even use regexps
[10:25] <ircbot_> anyway, back to my C book
[10:25] <weazle> cool
[10:26] <FreezerX> Where can I change the systems default character set from utf8 to iso8859-1?
[10:26] <karljp> you don't want to,
[10:26] <karljp> so we're not telling you
[10:26] <ircbot_> karljp: yeah i like those alright... they are kind of like a weird C
[10:26] <karljp> c without malloc and free
[10:26] <karljp> get rid of all that pain
[10:26] <shad0w1e> anyone here know how to get my windows to stop showing up halfway between my dual display?
[10:26] <ircbot_> FreezerX: in cli wave wand | magic
[10:27] <ircbot_> shad0w1e: gnome?
[10:27] <shad0w1e> either
[10:27] <FreezerX> ok
[10:27] <FUZiON2> cpan returned Warning: Cannot install ModPerl::Registry, don't know what it is.
[10:27] <ircbot_> shad0w1e: well i do believe you can tell gnome to remember window locations... but i wouldn't swear to it
[10:27] <shad0w1e> I have gnome and kde installed.
[10:28] <shad0w1e> forget remembering. the login window cannot be moved and its half on each screen
[10:28] <shad0w1e> as for the shutdown scren
[10:28] <ircbot_> ummm.... screwed?
[10:28] <ircbot_> just turn kdm or gdm off and use startx heh
[10:28] <shad0w1e> ts not just that] 
[10:28] <shad0w1e> when I maximize
[10:28] <shad0w1e> the window stretches to both screens
[10:28] <shad0w1e>  -- not what I want
[10:28] <ircbot_> yeah
[10:29] <ircbot_> ummm
[10:29] <shad0w1e> I figured maybe kde had something to just let it know youre using two displays
[10:29] <ircbot_> heh i think things might be easier if you run two X servers and connect each display to one...
[10:29] <shad0w1e> then i cant drag one window to the other screen
[10:29] <ircbot_> and use like synergy to connect the mouse and keyboard
[10:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> that would be ugly
[10:30] <shad0w1e> plus each one has their own bar on bottom
[10:30] <FUZiON2> chown -R /* stfu
[10:30] <shad0w1e> own menu
[10:30] <shad0w1e> own clock
[10:30] <shad0w1e> i figured kde is smart and can figure all this out but i guess im wrong
[10:30] <ircbot_> eh i dunno then
[10:30] <ircbot_> don't run dualies
[10:30] <shad0w1e> but i LIKE it!
[10:30] <ircbot_> http://irclikelife.com/sweetass.jpg
[10:31] <ircbot_> i meant i don't
[10:31] <smo> shad0w1e: does xdpyinfo | XINERAMA return anything?  if so .. metacity should just figure it out (and has done for atleast 2 years)
[10:31] <ircbot_> i'm not telling you not to
[10:31] <smo> I'd presume kwin would do the same, but it's a bit large to go installing just to see
[10:31] <shad0w1e> smo: XINERAMA: command  not found
[10:31] <smo> oops .. grep XINERAMA, sorry
[10:32] <shad0w1e> thouight so
[10:32] <shad0w1e> nothing
[10:32] <shad0w1e> no return
[10:32] <ircbot_> maybe i'll set up dualies instead of having two monitors next to each other on different boxes
[10:32] <smo> 4.30am .. I'm a bit slow on the ball here
[10:32] <smo> I've only setup dual-head with nvidia's extentions, so unless you're running nvidia .. I'm not much help.  but xinerama's the google-fodder you need
[10:33] <karljp> what's the gui cd/dvd burning app of choice?
[10:33] <shad0w1e> k3b
[10:33] <ircbot_> it take 2 video cards to run dualies?  never looked into it at all
[10:33] <shad0w1e> no
[10:33] <ircbot_> gnomebaker
[10:33] <shad0w1e> im using a 9800 pro
[10:33] <karljp> ircbot: depends on your vid cards
[10:33] <shad0w1e> it has two heads on it
[10:33] <ircbot_> 9600 Pro
[10:34] <shad0w1e> smo: so even though I have my dual display working (I can drag something from the left screen to the right) that does NOT mean that XINERAMA is working?
[10:34] <ircbot_> eh i'll have to look into that shit... might be spiffy enough to do
[10:34] <smo> It'd appear so.  else xdpyinfo would show the extention as loaded
[10:34] <shad0w1e> ircbot_: and deviantart has dual display wallpapers that stretch across both screens
[10:34] <ircbot_> shad0w1e: heh nice
[10:35] <A-star> Hi everyone
[10:35] <ircbot_> hello welcome to ubuntu how may we help you
[10:35] <ircbot_> hello welcome to ubuntu how may we help you
[10:36] <Choubaka> :|
[10:36] <A-star> I see the backports server still has problems
[10:36] <cthulfuego> ircbot_: My laundty needs folding
[10:36] <stazich> hey
[10:36] <stazich> i am having problems with su
[10:36] <ircbot_> cthulfuego: i can take care of that for you.  dog urine will make sure they don't need to be folded
[10:36] <stazich> does anyone know why i cannot authenticate?>
[10:36] <stazich> this is what it tells me:
[10:36] <stazich> stasvassiliev@hotmail.com
[10:37] <ircbot_> stazich: that's because root is locked by default
[10:37] <A-star> what exactly is the problem
[10:37] <stazich> stazich@Pisdiec:~ $ su
[10:37] <stazich> Password:
[10:37] <stazich> su: Authentication failure
[10:37] <stazich> Sorry.
[10:37] <stazich> stazich@Pisdiec:~ $ su synaptic
[10:37] <stazich> Unknown id: synaptic
[10:37] <stazich> stazich@Pisdiec:~ $
[10:37] <ircbot_> stazich: take a tip... google ubuntu root and read carefully before enabling root
[10:37] <ircbot_> stazich: don't flood
[10:37] <A-star> try "sudo synaptic"
[10:37] <ircbot_> stazich: i'm telling you what you want to know if you'd read
[10:37] <A-star> and give your normal user password
[10:38] <shad0w1e> ircbot_: http://clubcorruption.net/dual.jpg -- I just took this shot. perhaps itll convince you
[10:38] <ircbot_> shad0w1e: but i have to undo my CLI only box heh
[10:39] <ircbot_> but i probably will check into it
[10:39] <ircbot_> if for nothing else to say that i did
[10:39] <smo> if it's cli only, it won't mind being ssh-only :)
[10:39] <A-star> can anyne confirm that the bbackports server is down?
[10:39] <shad0w1e> whats cli?
[10:39] <ircbot_> smo: that's what it was until a few days ago when i moved my other monitor in here
[10:39] <ircbot_> CLI is console
[10:39] <shad0w1e> oh
[10:39] <shad0w1e> why not just get a kvm?
[10:39] <ircbot_> shad0w1e: ctrl+alt+f1
[10:40] <shad0w1e> yes i know
[10:40] <shad0w1e> telnet
[10:40] <shad0w1e> ssh
[10:40] <shad0w1e> etc
[10:40] <shad0w1e> basically, f** around with your xorg.conf file, you you will sure see the console. Am I right, ircbot_ ?
[10:41] <ircbot_> heh something like that... but i run cli on that box all the time because i have no use for X on a webserver with low ram
[10:41] <shad0w1e> of course
[10:41] <ircbot_> plus it looks neat... http://irclikelife.com/sweetass.jpg
[10:42] <ircbot_> need to update my kernels to .12 heh
[10:42] <shad0w1e> I'm running a P2 266, 192 RAM with hoary on it, and X, and it hosts Unreal Tournament games, and shares my internet connection
[10:42] <IIIEars> are there any good floppy based webservers out there - i was looking at miniapche - alas still too large - (lol)
[10:42] <ircbot_> well that's plenty fast enough except for ram... it's only 32 megs
[10:42] <tga> shad0w1e: that's so tiny
[10:42] <shad0w1e> its my server. why do I need better?
[10:42] <tga> shad0w1e: http://www.sgnx.net/~tga/ss/xfce_wide_1.jpg
[10:42] <ircbot_> IIIEars: damn small?
[10:42] <shad0w1e> damn small is great
[10:43] <IIIEars> shad0wie - really? - that box is a wonder. grin
[10:43] <shad0w1e> for my p133 with 16mb ram laptop
[10:43] <shad0w1e> heheh
[10:43] <tga> shad0w1e: erm.. I mean the dual thing, not the server
[10:43] <ircbot_> what resolution is that tga?
[10:43] <tga> ircbot_: 1600x1200*4
[10:43] <IIIEars> sounds like something i would love to try
[10:43] <shad0w1e> wow
[10:43] <ircbot_> 4?
[10:43] <shad0w1e> my two screens are 15" trinitrons btw
[10:44] <smo> ouch.  And I was enjoying 1280x1024x2
[10:44] <IIIEars> "Damn Small Linux"?
[10:44] <MyNameIsChris> ircbot_, Heh, you just had to pose your elite mouse in that picture. Eh?
[10:44] <tga> big PITA to get the cursor from one end to the other :)
[10:44] <shad0w1e> damn small linux is a great distro
[10:44] <BRiLo> j0z
[10:45] <IIIEars> okay - i'll give it a shot
[10:45] <BRiLo> alguien que hable espaol?
[10:45] <ircbot_> MyNameIsChris: actually that was the initial charge heh... couldn't move the fucker
[10:45] <BRiLo> Quien habla espaol??
[10:45] <shad0w1e> I installed linux on the box and my mom didnt even notice
[10:45] <ircbot_> anyone use jabber?
[10:45] <tga> BRiLo: #ubuntu-es
[10:45] <BRiLo> tnks :D
[10:45] <shad0w1e> she just started fumbling around with the icons as she would with windows
[10:45] <shad0w1e> same greek to her, hehe
[10:46] <IIIEars> BRillo - check out "Translator" same developer as "Stream Tuner" - nice app auto matically translates IRC
[10:46] <tga> I had my mom use linux for a couple of years, didn't get any complaints
[10:46] <tga> IIIEars: that must be funny as hell
[10:46] <ircbot_> my mom understands nothing about computers
[10:46] <shad0w1e> my mom didnt even realize it WAS linux until I said something and she was like "yeah, I think the icons were in a little different places"
[10:47] <ircbot_> she thought that because i installed linux i couldn't do a lot of things... like go to websites
[10:47] <IIIEars> lol - now that i think about it you are probably right
[10:47] <ircbot_> granted i'm on irc a lot more than sites anymore
[10:47] <tga> because I installed linux I can't do things like video conferencing
[10:47] <ircbot_> gnomemeeting
[10:47] <tga> lucky thing the guys at skype released a decent linux client
[10:48] <ircbot_> gnomemeeting?
[10:48] <shad0w1e> btw my unreal tournament works like crap with my fglrx driver. I cant adjust brightness. anyone run into this problem? it works great on my other mahcine using 3dfx
[10:48] <tga> I guess, it won't work through NAT though
[10:48] <ircbot_> shad0w1e: i've never been able to get my fglrx to work
[10:48] <ircbot_> ever
[10:48] <shad0w1e> ircbot_
[10:48] <shad0w1e> I can help you
[10:48] <ircbot_> about 15 tries
[10:48] <shad0w1e> i FINALLY DID IT LAST NIGHT
[10:48] <ircbot_> shad0w1e: i've had so much help
[10:49] <shad0w1e> do you have a SiS chipset?
[10:49] <IIIEars> UT and nvidia? ?
[10:49] <ircbot_> i used fedora that can set it up magically... and works for everyone... but not me
[10:49] <ircbot_> shad0w1e: nforce
[10:49] <ircbot_> i have nvidia on my lappy though
[10:49] <IIIEars> did it work okay?
[10:49] <ircbot_> but i can't get 1280x800 resolution out of the nvidia driver so i only use that xorg.conf when i want to use gl
[10:50] <paulfox> morning all.
[10:50] <shad0w1e> ircbot_: follow these: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=105898#post105898
[10:50] <ircbot_> morning?
[10:50] <ircbot_> shad0w1e: it's a gentoo box
[10:50] <shad0w1e> doesnt matter
[10:50] <paulfox> can anyone tell me their story on how easy/difficult it is to get an ipod shuffle to work with linux?
[10:50] <shad0w1e> easy
[10:50] <tga> meh, I gotta write a small ACPI script or something.. I ran outta battery earlier without even knowing it
[10:50] <shad0w1e> use amarok
[10:51] <paulfox> shad0w1e, if i'm a gnomer?
[10:51] <shad0w1e> wait..
[10:51] <paulfox> ircbot_, uk time
[10:51] <shad0w1e> shuffle...
[10:51] <shad0w1e> does shuffle work on itunes?
[10:51] <ircbot_> wtf my mouse doesn't work in vnc anymore
[10:51] <paulfox> damn, got a meeting brb
[10:51] <shad0w1e> you can run amarok in gnome
[10:51] <shad0w1e> prob.
[10:51] <karljp> if my wine config says to use an actual windows partition
[10:51] <karljp> can I put native dlls someone in the linux partition for it to get to?
[10:52] <IIIEars> "" - Where do you drop the windows dll's for Wine
[10:53] <ircbot_> ummm wtf... why did my mouse stop working in vnc... can't quite use vnc w/o it
[10:54] <shad0w1e> anyone know how to configure xinerama for ati ?
[10:54] <ircbot_> not i
[10:54] <ircbot_> and i'm laying down with my book
[10:54] <ircbot_> catch you all tomorrow
[10:54] <ircbot_> by transgress
[10:54] <ircbot_> s/by/bye
[10:54] <drummer87> hi, can someone help me hook up a server? i have just set up a secondary box with apache, ftpd, etc.. and want to connect NIC to NIC with my box. do i use a crossover or straight cable?
[10:55] <shad0w1e> ircbot_ try out that link
[10:55] <ircbot_> which link?
[10:55] <shad0w1e> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=105898#post105898
[10:55] <drummer87> (clarkconnect on the server by the way, hoary on my box)
[10:55] <A-star> crossover cable
[10:55] <shad0w1e> Option "UseInternalAGPGART" "no"
[10:55] <shad0w1e> reallly did it for me
[10:56] <ircbot_> i'll hit it up tomorrow
[10:56] <ircbot_> and that option didn't work for me... tried it
[10:56] <shad0w1e> oh
[10:57] <shad0w1e> well I can give you a hint maybe in the right direction
[10:57] <shad0w1e> its got to do with your chipst
[10:57] <shad0w1e> or AGP slot type
[10:57] <shad0w1e> likely
[10:57] <tga> drummer87: what are you trying to do?
[10:57] <ircbot_> haha really?  yeah i've pretty decided on that
[10:57] <ircbot_> but i don't play games anymore so it's all good
[10:57] <shad0w1e> i see.
[10:57] <ircbot_> although there are new drivers out so eh gentoo ever adds those to the repos i'll try those out
[10:58] <shad0w1e> takes about 45 mins to compile
[10:58] <shad0w1e> hehe
[10:58] <ircbot_> how do you compile binary drivers?
[10:58] <drummer87> tga: have a testing area while i do a school software project in PHP and MySQL
[10:58] <shad0w1e> you dont
[10:58] <shad0w1e> they are compiled
[10:58] <kakalto> you guys know that icon with the i in a circle, infront of a chip?
[10:58] <kakalto> is there an icon of just the i in a circle?
[10:58] <ircbot_> no?
[10:59] <tga> drummer87: more to the point, what are you trying to connect to what?
[10:59] <kakalto> >_>
[10:59] <ircbot_> i gotta go... book heh
[10:59] <kakalto> <_<
[11:00] <drummer87> tga: connect my box to the server box so i can upload to that while i develop my project..
[11:00] <shad0w1e> take care guys
[11:00] <tga> drummer87: if you only want to connect two machines together you need a crossover cable
[11:00] <tga> drummer87: or you could get a hub or switch and two normal network cables
[11:01] <RatDude> hi is there anyway of installing the ubuntu live cd?
[11:01] <tga> RatDude: why would you want to do that?
[11:01] <RatDude> cos i dont have the install disc
[11:01] <RatDude> and im on 56k
[11:01] <tga> RatDude: nasty
[11:01] <drummer87> tga: i have a crossover but it's not connecting at the moment.. i prolly haven't set up the ips right
[11:02] <tga> drummer87: well set'em right then
[11:03] <Tuxicity> RatDude, get it from a friend or shipit.ubuntu.com?
[11:04] <Tuxicity> Raskall, though shipit may take longer than 54k, lol
[11:04] <Tuxicity> 56k*
[11:04] <Kaiser_away> it will take longer, but its packed ;)
[11:06] <kakalto> I finished my xfce menu :D
[11:08] <Tuxicity> kakalto, is XFce menu editing easier than in Gnome?
[11:09] <kakalto> heck no
[11:09] <kakalto> the main problem is icons
[11:09] <kakalto> you have to specify the exact path of each and every icon
[11:10] <kakalto> eg. /usr/share/pixmaps/gnome-terminal.xpm
[11:10] <kakalto> you can't just click to add icon, and it's already @ pixmaps dir.
[11:11] <kakalto> otherwise, it's alright
[11:11] <kakalto> the kde menu editor is definately better
[11:12] <tom_neo> mhhh i hate it ;-)
[11:13] <notos> hello, Can any one orient me in where to get info for ... Joining An Avi Video and a STR subtitle?
[11:13] <xelpud> just curious, does anyone know why ubuntu installs grub in a normal install, but uses lilo for server installs? I didn't see an option to select grub instead of lilo
[11:13] <notos> *srt
[11:16] <kakalto> notos, look on google about vlc, I think it does it
[11:16] <Tuxicity> QT is GPL'ed, so how come and what for is there a commercial license?
[11:17] <tom_neo> i'm not shure qt is gpl'ed
[11:17] <tom_neo> qt is free for non commercials
[11:17] <tom_neo> for commercials it's not cheap
[11:17] <Tuxicity> if you make a commercial program that links to QT, you have to pay?
[11:17] <notos> kakalto im using vcl (its cool :P) but can i save the a avi file whit no srt files (like the srt files are inside of the avi) ?
[11:17] <tom_neo> what i tried to say ;P
[11:17] <notos> *vlc
[11:17] <karljp> yeah, so qt is not as free as thigns like wx,
[11:18] <Tuxicity> tom_neo, QT is dual-licensed. you choose between commercial or GPL
[11:18] <karljp> where you can actualyl build commercial, closed source apps, without paying for a license.
[11:18] <kakalto> notos, I don't think so, I'm pretty sure vlc only plays, not editing aswell
[11:18] <kakalto> Tuxicity, then why use commercial at all?
[11:18] <kakalto> because you can't really sell gpl?
[11:18] <karljp> because some people like to?
[11:18] <tom_neo> Tuxicity: but if it was real gpl so how can you tell smb having a company he has to use the commercial version?
[11:20] <Tuxicity> kakalto, exactly. why?
[11:21] <Tuxicity> i supose some 3rd parties want support from Trolltech?
[11:22] <kakalto> perhaps
[11:22] <kakalto> it sounds strange to me
[11:22] <Ironfrost> no, they just want out of the GPL's restrictions
[11:23] <Ironfrost> if you use the GPL version, if you modify the code you have to release it
[11:23] <Tuxicity> Ironfrost, but if they dont modify or distribute QT themselves?
[11:23] <Juhaz> and depending on who you ask, your own program as well
[11:23] <Ironfrost> some companies want to use it in their products without having to opensource the whole thing
[11:23] <kakalto> Ironfrost, that's what I thought.. but what does cedega/Transgaming tech. do?
[11:23] <xelpud> why can't I install admin/ext2resize (hoary) ?, apt says it doesn't exist but it's referred to by another package, yet packages.ubuntu.com says it exists and is in hoary
[11:24] <Tuxicity> xelpud, maybe it's in a repo you dont have in your sources.list?
[11:24] <kakalto> xelpud, it's here for me
[11:25] <kakalto> remember to search for ext2resize, not admin/ext2resize
[11:25] <kakalto> but it's here for me
[11:25] <Juhaz> it's in universe
[11:25] <xelpud> oh wait. sorry. i'm blind
[11:25] <Tuxicity> xelpud, it's in universe repo
[11:25] <kakalto> xelpud, :)
[11:25] <Tuxicity> Juhaz, oops
[11:25] <xelpud> I have universe commented in my sources.list .. and I even cat'd it a minute ago before asking, totally ignored the commented stuff heh
[11:25] <kakalto> xelpud, don't worry, I suffer from teh same thing :)
[11:25] <xelpud> thanks
[11:26] <variance> hi all, is there a tool to see what is the up/down speed on the current established tcp connections ?
[11:26] <kakalto> I couldn't see this one package, no matter what I did, then someone pointed it out to me :P
[11:26] <kakalto> variance, yup, I have it on my xfce bar
[11:26] <kakalto> but that's not under gnome..
[11:27] <variance> kakalto: not the whole occupied bandwidth but the single connection what up/down speed has..
[11:28] <Tuxicity> variance, i think the Firestarter firewall does(for eth0)?
[11:28] <Ironfrost> Is there a quick way to change the owner of a large group of files from root to my normal user?
[11:28] <variance> Tuxicity: i'll see
[11:28] <kakalto> what's the device?
[11:29] <Tuxicity> Ironfrost, sudo chown -R you:you /path/to
[11:29] <Tuxicity> Ironfrost, is that it?
[11:29] <Jefis> How is called kernel?
[11:29] <Jefis> and how to get kernel source?
[11:29] <Jefis> :)
[11:29] <kakalto> like /dev/whatisit
[11:30] <kakalto> grr
[11:30] <Ironfrost> Tuxcity - I was wanting to do a big group of files at once; is that possible?
[11:31] <Tuxicity> Ironfrost, ya "/path/to/folderContainingFiles"
[11:31] <Ironfrost> thanks a lot!
[11:31] <Tuxicity> Ironfrost, the "-R" option is for recursive
[11:31] <MyNameIsChris> Jefis, apt-get install linux-source-2.6.8.1 for example. Could you please remover anything ambiguous from your statements.
[11:31] <Tuxicity> Ironfrost, np
[11:31] <kakalto> variance, any luck?
[11:31] <MyNameIsChris> That always happens
[11:31] <kakalto> variance, 'cause you might be able to just "sudo cat /dev/whatever"
[11:32] <kakalto> oh, nm
[11:32] <hob> Hi. Having problems with Hoary on a Dell flatscreen. xorg.conf seems legit, but gnome defaults to 640x480 and the resolution switcher doesn't offer any other options...What do I do?
[11:32] <kakalto> that's not quite right
[11:32] <variance> Tuxicity: i've seen a bunch of firestarter screenshots but no one with the speeds
[11:32] <MyNameIsChris> hob, Onboard Intel Video Chip?
[11:32] <variance> kakalto: ? what do u mean ?
[11:32] <hob> MyNameIsChris - yup
[11:32] <kakalto> variance, don't worry
[11:33] <kakalto> variance, I'm just trying to be smart, and failing miserably :P
[11:33] <variance> kakalto: np
[11:33] <MyNameIsChris> hob, I had that problem with the Live CD at my school. Try a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (or whatever it is in Hoary).
[11:33] <Tuxicity> variance, Im no network expert. but firestarter gives me the KB/s activity of my eth0 internet connection
[11:34] <hob> MyNameIsChris - nice one, I'll try that. Thanks
[11:34] <MyNameIsChris> hob, Good luck, mine was with a Warty Live CD though
[11:35] <variance> Tuxicity: ok, i was looking for the single connection speed
[11:35] <kakalto> variance, firestarter might have options for closing all connections except that, and then you could monitor it?
[11:37] <variance> found! iptraf
[11:37] <IIIEars> THANK YOU MyNameIsChris - "" The same problem.
[11:38] <Tuxicity> variance, we tried :)
[11:38] <MyNameIsChris> IIIEars, Was it fixable?
[11:38] <IIIEars> what is the -exect- syntax of that command MyNameIsChris?
[11:38] <MyNameIsChris> IIIEars, Couldn't tell you in Hoary
[11:39] <IIIEars> lol - (nap time?)
[11:39] <MyNameIsChris> IIIEars, Someone here would know.
[11:40] <IIIEars> << Using FreesBIE right now (good but it isn't Ubuntu)
[11:41] <variance> Tuxicity: thanks anyway :)
[11:41] <MyNameIsChris> IIIEars, So is the problem in Ubuntu?
[11:42] <IIIEars> I think so, tho i have had the same xorg problem with knoppix also.
[11:42] <Tuxicity> variance, your welcome:)
[11:43] <MyNameIsChris> IIIEars, Well, on an XF86 system. It is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. I guess you could just find the package for xorg in Synaptic and dpkg-reconfigure it
[11:43] <IIIEars> Suse - has no trouble - But then the printer and 'net connections are broken. gotta get a linux knowledge "toe hold" ya know?
[11:44] <cyklus> hello
[11:45] <IIIEars> Windows is just not an option anymore - install connect to the 'net get virus/spyware trouble, install, repeat. - Doh!
[11:46] <FreezerX> You dont get any virus if you activate its firewall!
[11:47] <IIIEars> heh - it isn't the open net connection i have sygate it also monitors dlls with md5 checksuming it is the browser.
[11:47] <MyNameIsChris> FreezerX, Ofcourse you do. Alot of exploits enter on allowed ports. Worstened by the fact not a single user does day-to-day tasks not as an Admin
[11:48] <IIIEars> What windows need is active monitoring of changed files.
[11:48] <karljp> is there anything like netstumbler/apradar packaged in .debs?
[11:48] <karljp> (not kismet)
[11:49] <IIIEars> karl -"Ksniff"?
[11:49] <IIIEars> give me a sec.
[11:49] <tm|werk> does the linux-source pkg come with the normal set of ubuntu patches applied already?
[11:50] <IIIEars> Ah i got it "dsniff"
[11:51] <karljp> dsniff is not really the same as netstumbler.
[11:51] <karljp> Various tools to sniff network traffic for cleartext insecurities
[11:51] <karljp> according to apt-cache show
[11:51] <IIIEars> ah - okay hadn't tried it.
[11:51] <Tuxicity> here comes morning... another night w/o sleep :-/
[11:52] <IIIEars> sleep is for people without a 'net connection - grin
[11:53] <peanut> Hello. A quick quiz! sendmail is to postfix what bind is to ?
[11:53] <Tuxicity> dns?
[11:53] <Tuxicity> :X
[11:53] <ptlo> tinydns
[11:53] <peanut> no!
[11:53] <peanut> ptlo, is tinydns gpled?
[11:53] <martin> I got a problem..... installed a game demo, and it installed itself in a folder on the desktop
[11:53] <martin> sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/dvd
[11:53] <martin> 	sudo hdparm -k1 /dev/dvd
[11:54] <martin> I got a problem..... installed a game demo, and it installed itself in a folder on the desktop. The problem is that the demo changed the rights for the Desktop folder.. how do i change it back?
[11:54] <ptlo> peanut: yup. it's djb's software (the same philosophy as qmail)
[11:54] <peanut> ptlo, is it in ubuntu?
[11:55] <ptlo> dunno...check the repositories
[11:55] <tm|werk> peanut: maradns?
[11:55] <Pom> hi everibody
[11:55] <ptlo> imho it's actually harder to set up and configure than bind, so, i wouldn't switch from bind to it without a very strong reason
[11:55] <tm|werk> can anyone tell me what the linux-patch-ubuntu stuff does?
[11:55] <Tuxicity> martin, "sudo chmod 755 /home/desktop/folder" ??
[11:56] <martin> thanx tuxicity i'll try that
[11:56] <Fackamato> anyone got lirc working in ubuntu?
[11:56] <Tuxicity> martin, just a guess
[11:56] <peanut> ok thanks for your help
[11:56] <Tuxicity> martin, the syntax might be a little different
[11:57] <martin> sudo chmod 755 /home/martin/Desktop
[11:59] <balor> I know this question has been repetedly asked, but I've just hit the problem.  Where's the answer to intel i810 audio brokenness in Hoary?
[12:00] <Juhaz> it's broken? how?
[12:01] <balor> Juhaz: The alsa and oss mixers show up, esd runs but there's no sound.  /dev/dsp exists but prgrams complain that it dosn't
[12:01] <Fackamato> are the correct modules loaded?
[12:02] <balor> All the modules are loaded
[12:02] <balor> Should I be using polypaudio?
[12:03] <Juhaz> intel8x0 drivers (nforce2) and sound work fine here
[12:03] <StarSys>  Hey! I just downloaded/installed ubuntulinux ... when i am finished with the first installation-> rebooting-> booting up.. but when it switches from textmode to graphic mode, the cursor stops blinking and my pc hangs :) got any ideas?
[12:04] <delire> StarSys did the live CD work?
[12:05] <Tuxicity> delire, dont think he has the liveCD
[12:05] <delire> balor: try turning off esd and see if that allows you to write (play audio) to the sound card.
[12:05] <delire> Tuxicity: ok..
[12:06] <StarSys> hehe, i haven't tried that yet.. but i have no problems with the other distros, except debian and ubuntu ...
[12:06] <delire> StarSys: ok, login using the console. if you can't see it then <CTRL>-<ALT>-<BACKSPACE> and do so.
[12:07] <balor> delire: I just (re) installed polypaudio and GnomeMeeting works...I'm sure if I reboot everything will (re) work
[12:07] <delire> StarSys: then 'cat /var/log/xorg.0.log | grep EE'
[12:07] <delire> balor: polypaudio is way better..
[12:07] <StarSys> hmm... the keyboard is locked... i can reboot in recoverymode...?
[12:08] <delire> StarSys: try <CTRL>-<ALT>-<F2>
[12:08] <delire> StarSys: what graphic card are you using?
[12:08] <StarSys> doesn't work.... tried all the terminals, but nothing.... also tried putty from a windows computer, but can't connect
[12:09] <StarSys> Creative Riva TNT :) [old computer] 
[12:09] <delire> StarSys: jesus, perhaps the kernel has hung.
[12:09] <delire> StarSys: that said sshd may not be running..
[12:11] <StarSys> maybe, try to download nvidia drivers and kernel 2.6.11.7  and then compile the kernel?
[12:11] <paulfox> sorry i had to go before, i've lost any answers on the ipod shuffle question. do they work with linux?
[12:12] <StarSys> i downloaded the new kernel in mandrake 10.1, and the system is stable, but slow.. :)
[12:13] <snipp> hi
[12:15] <Tuxicity> snipp, good gmt-5 morning :)
[12:16] <Prof_Frink> it's still morning in plain ol' GMT too
[12:16] <snipp> evening here
[12:16] <Prof_Frink> *smack head*
[12:16] <Prof_Frink> might not be
[12:16] <tombs> hi ppl
[12:17] <delire> StarSys: i'd download the nvidia drivers, kernel-headers and source and then compile against your existing kernel
[12:18] <delire> StarSys: do all that in recovery mode..
[12:18] <StarSys> ok... i'll try that... thanks:)
[12:18] <StarSys> "i'll be back..." :)
[12:20] <jimi> 7J #UBUNTU-IT
[12:20] <jimi> J #UBUNTU-IT
[12:20] <Bazzi> dammit, ubuntu locked my partition
[12:25] <karljp> is there any applet/panel thing that can handle connecting to a newly available wlan?
[12:30] <Nermal> karljp, netapplet ?
[12:30] <karljp> which one is that and how do I get into it?
[12:30] <Nermal> karljp, its a novell thingy
[12:31] <Nermal> google for it for ubuntu I guess
[12:31] <Nermal> oooh
[12:31] <Nermal> its in apt
[12:31] <Nermal> apt-get install netapplet
[12:32] <gahan> anyone already did debian sid->hoary with apt?
[12:33] <Nermal> gahan, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/upgrade-sarge/talkback/1100762912
[12:33] <karljp> ok, it's installed, now how do I get into it?
[12:33] <Nermal> gahan, second post
[12:33] <Nermal> karljp, right clock on panel and do add
[12:33] <gahan> thx
[12:33] <kakalto> wow
[12:33] <Nermal> karljp, you want the network selection and monitoring applet
[12:34] <kakalto> I just found out that my name has a relation to dbz :(
[12:34] <Nermal> dbz ?
[12:34] <Tuxicity> kakaroto
[12:34] <Tuxicity> :D
[12:35] <Tuxicity> that's Goku :)
[12:35] <iGama> back
[12:35] <kakalto> I feel ashamed now
[12:36] <kakalto> I must never mention it again'
[12:36] <mjr> :)
[12:36] <Tuxicity> kakalto, why ashamed?
[12:36] <kakalto> dbz is teh n00bness
[12:37] <Tuxicity> hey
[12:38] <kakalto> lol
[12:39] <kakalto> tsocks?
[12:39] <kakalto> what's that?
[12:39] <Tuxicity> bbs
[12:40] <goo> kakalto: tsocks intercepts network calls and send them through an socks4 or 5 proxy. Ideal for blowing holes in firewalls or play VPN.
[12:40] <goo> kakalto: http://kose.no/howto/ssh_magic_howto
[12:40] <goo> (256k upstream... slow)
[12:40] <kakalto> "blowing holes in firewalls" ?
[12:42] <goo> kakalto: if for instance you are on a network where the firewall blocks the irc port, and your irc client doesn't support socks4/5 then you may use tsocks to go through a SOCKS4/5 proxy anyway, hence "blowing a hole" in the firewall.
[12:43] <goo> And that SOCKS4 proxy is very often a ssh -D <port>  host  - just read the howto i posted :)
[12:43] <kakalto> goo, sounds good for my local school and torrent :)
[12:44] <goo> kakalto: yes, for instance - but remeber, you don't get more speed than the smallest speed of the site you are bouncing via (pardon my bad english, I'm norwegian :)
[12:44] <kakalto> ok
[12:45] <Tuxicity> O_O
[12:46] <kakalto> Tuxicity, ?
[12:46] <wannabe> anyone no how to instal the live cd
[12:46] <Tuxicity> kakalto, goo is too 1337 for me :)
[12:47] <goo> Tuxicity: lol :)
[12:47] <kakalto> Tuxicity, you n00b :P
[12:47] <Tuxicity> wannabe, normally you dont install to HD with the LiveCD. Use the Install CD for that
[12:47] <kakalto> wannabe, you can't install the livecd
[12:48] <kakalto> the livecd is live. only. no install
[12:48] <Jefis> I have mobile cx65, and is it possible to exchange data between mobile and my ubuntu?????????
[12:48] <kakalto> you have to get the install cd to install
[12:48] <wannabe> oh ok damn
[12:48] <goo> Tuxicity: it's nothing 1337 about it, It's just very practical to get the access one needs to do the Job. I started using tsocks so that I could edit Zope sites via Zope's ftp interface with emacs.  Normally that port is firewalled out, but not the ssh port :)
[12:48] <wannabe> how loing does the shipit place take to get the cds to u?
[12:49] <kakalto> wannabe, between a week and a few weeks, if I recall correctly
[12:49] <kakalto> I don't think they've shipped yet though
[12:50] <wannabe> ime having truble getting the dhcp to talk if i use static ip it works fine and i can c the network without a static and i have a ip?
[12:50] <wannabe> and a dns
[12:51] <Jefis> I have mobile cx65, and is it possible to exchange data between mobile and my ubuntu?????????
[12:51] <kakalto> Jefis, have you searched on google?
[12:51] <kakalto> Is ubuntu seriously headed for non-compatability w/ debian packages? is this deliberate? or are they trying to fix it? I hope so
[12:52] <IIIEars> nah - take a peek at "Linspire" :/
[12:52] <Jefis> nop, haven't :)
[12:52] <kakalto> Jefis, good luck :)
[12:52] <Tuxicity> goo, well from my point of view it's pretty 1337 ;)
[12:53] <super_dude2> how do u setup a computer for windows networking --warty
[12:53] <Jefis> kakalto, it should possible to mount
[12:53] <Jefis> file system of mobile is fat
[12:53] <Jefis> but which device
[12:54] <Tuxicity> super_dude2, www.ubuntuguide.org
[12:54] <Tuxicity> super_dude2, section Warty
[12:54] <super_dude2> i cant tick the box to enable windows networking
[12:54] <mishof> Can someone help me out ? i need to edit /etc/modprobe.conf but it doesnt exist :(
[12:55] <super_dude2> it says install SMB ---wtf i cant find it
[12:55] <kakalto> Jefis, there should be something somewhere on the 'net that tells you what device it should be
[12:55] <dbrouwer> hi all
[12:55] <dbrouwer> how can i clear the library in Rhythmbox?
[12:55] <kakalto> Jefis, it took me a while to find out where my device was for my mp3 player
[12:55] <mishof> you guys? where is modprobe.conf ?
[12:56] <Tuxicity> super_dude2, did you "add extra repos"
[12:56] <retro_> hi, i searched the net for a howto for setting up my wlan card.. it is supported out of the box, but i decided to use eth0 as primary device. now I need to reload the wlan0 module but I am missing a tool like "modconf" under debian
[12:56] <super_dude2> hoe?
[12:56] <super_dude2> how?
[12:57] <retro_> hm ?
[12:57] <Tuxicity> super_dude2, it's explained on ubuntuguide.org
[12:57] <super_dude2> yea im there havent seen anything yet
[12:57] <Tuxicity> super_dude2, there is an entire section for Samba
[12:58] <super_dude2> ok ty
[12:58] <locomorto> http://ubuntuguide.org/#installsamba
[12:58] <locomorto> oh he left
[12:58] <Tuxicity> too late :D
[12:59] <kakalto> that happens to me often
[12:59] <kakalto> perhaps I'm too helpful :(
[01:00] <Tuxicity> retro_, you mean "modprobe"?
[01:01] <retro_> no
[01:01] <retro_> modconf
[01:01] <retro_> to reload modules which you didnt load right into the kernel when installing
[01:01] <kakalto> modconf...
[01:01] <kakalto> I've heard of that
[01:02] <kakalto> but loading modules is modprobe
[01:02] <retro_> i don't know how to setup wlan0 device with ubuntu, since i'm missing this tool
[01:02] <kakalto> yeah
[01:02] <retro_> its the acx chipset driver
[01:02] <kakalto> give me a moment or two
[01:03] <Tuxicity> retro_, maybe insmod??
[01:03] <kakalto> Tuxicity, no, he means modconf
[01:03] <kakalto> Tuxicity, google for it
[01:03] <kakalto> it exists
[01:03] <kakalto> it's a debian tool for modules & stuff
[01:03] <retro_> exactly
[01:03] <Tuxicity> well it's not in universe..
[01:04] <foxwhite> i need some help i have a hard drive in ntfs and i can't see it
[01:04] <kakalto> retro_, although others would say not to mix debian packages with ubuntu, you can download modconf.deb from http://packages.debian.org/
[01:04] <kakalto> watch dependancies though
[01:04] <retro_> ok i'll try that
[01:04] <retro_> thanks
[01:05] <kakalto> Tuxicity, nah
[01:05] <kakalto> Tuxicity, it's not available in ubuntu repos, as far as I can tell
[01:05] <kakalto> but the dependancies are
[01:06] <Tuxicity> too bad
[01:06] <kakalto> retro_, if you're fine with compiling, you might want to go get the source, but otherwise go with the deb
[01:07] <retro_> yeah i should modify my sources.list to add debian-repos
[01:07] <kakalto> Kamping_Kaiser, hey :)
[01:07] <guupsta> allo
[01:07] <kakalto> retro_, no, you shouldn't
[01:07] <kakalto> retro_, don't add debian repos
[01:07] <kakalto> adding debian repos to ubuntu is a bad idea
[01:08] <retro_> why ?
[01:08] <retro_> ubuntu is based upon debian isnt it ?
[01:08] <kakalto> it screws everything up
[01:08] <kakalto> yeah, but debian has newer packages
[01:08] <guupsta> anyone have that out of sync monitor problem with radeon9700pro when rebooting or shutting down
[01:08] <guupsta> and perhaps a solution to that
[01:08] <locomorto> kakalto, not really
[01:08] <locomorto> and if you want upto date packages
[01:08] <locomorto> upgrade to breezy
[01:09] <kakalto> yeah, but apparently if you get just 1 program, you'll need to update all the libraries to the ones available in deb repos
[01:09] <kakalto> stuff like that
[01:09] <mjr> retro_, the versions are out of sync, you'll probably get a mix'n'match distro with nobody to guarantee compatibility and quality
[01:09] <kakalto> because ubuntu isn't up to date
[01:09] <kakalto> locomorto, see what mjr said?
[01:09] <retro_> mjr, ok thats right
[01:10] <locomorto> im talking about woody, not sarge
[01:10] <locomorto> sarge is testing
[01:10] <guupsta> is agp8x enabled by default on fglrx
[01:10] <kakalto> woody is probably older than ubuntu, isn't it?
[01:10] <Jefis> Damm help me with connecting mobile phone to pc
[01:10] <Jefis> kdeinfocenter shows that i can device is connected
[01:10] <kakalto> Jefis, no luck?
[01:10] <Nermal> Jefis, useless quesion
[01:11] <Jefis> :)
[01:11] <Jefis> Nermal, why?
[01:11] <Jefis> that is imposible?
[01:11] <Nermal> phone make model, method of connection, what you've tried, any relevent errors, where you've looked
[01:11] <Jefis> i just need to mount some device(probably usb whick is connect) and that's all
[01:11] <kakalto> Nermal, you sound proffessional :)
[01:11] <Jefis> siemens cx65
[01:12] <Jefis> "Manufacturer: Siemens AG \n Serial #: 353541005610874"
[01:12] <Nermal> "I'm trying to connect this model phone via this connetion method, but I'm getting this error. I've googled for this error but this article says to do this.  This is where I'm at now."
[01:12] <Nermal> kakalto, comes from trying to prise information out of people to help them for years
[01:12] <Tuxicity> Nermal, that's very vague, LOL
[01:12] <Nermal> Tuxicity, it's an example
[01:13] <Tuxicity> Nermal, j/k :D
[01:13] <kakalto> Nermal, I wish we were all like you :P
[01:14] <kakalto> Elvis has left the building!
[01:14] <Nermal> "I'm trying to connect a siemens cx65 to my ubuntu warty box, via bluetooth.  I've followed the howtos on installing the bluez bluetooth stack and have a working hci0 device and can ping the phone using l2ping.  I would like to get my sms messages off the phone via this connection method, but searching for applications that support this operation over bluetooth yeilds nothing.  Does anyone have any suggestions?"
[01:14] <Nermal> there.. I've asked the question for you... now all we need is someone to answer it
[01:16] <goo> Maybe gnome-phone manager works with that siemens? Worked with Ericsson T68i
[01:16] <kakalto> Nermal, he left
[01:16] <guupsta> answer is always nice
[01:16] <kakalto> Nermal, where I said "Elvis has left the building"
[01:17] <guupsta> no matter of the nature
[01:17] <Nermal> kakalto, nm, that can stand as an example of a good question to 509 other people
[01:17] <kakalto> lol
[01:21] <chimaera> hi.
[01:22] <chimaera> isn't there a source package for linux-wlan-ng modules available in ubuntu?
[01:22] <Retro_> apt-get source linux-wlan-ng ?
[01:22] <kakalto> Retro_, possibly
[01:22] <kakalto> give it a go :D
[01:22] <chimaera> err, well.
[01:23] <Retro_> ;)
[01:23] <TFP> hi
[01:23] <TFP> i'm searching for a rss fedd reader, should handle atom feeds. any recommendations?
[01:24] <chimaera> akregator
[01:24] <dockane> it looks like i need to buy a usb 2.0 adapter, maybe a firewire 800, too. before i buy one, which ressources do i have to check to buy a "linux-compatible" one
[01:28] <Retro_> ok there are dep-probs with modconf
[01:28] <Retro_> is there no other way to load modules to the kernel ?
[01:28] <Retro_> the problem is i don't know the exact module-name
[01:29] <Retro_> think its acx_pci
[01:29] <Retro_> since lsmod lists it
[01:35] <Saint33> Hi folks...
[01:36] <Saint33> Could someone please help me with an Ndiswrapper install problem ??
[01:38] <snowblink> in hoary, what is the recommended CPU throttling app?
[01:39] <dbrouwer> nautilus crashes when on network sometimes (it does not open folders anymore) how do i manually restart nautilus, whithout having to log out and back in?
[01:39] <Tuxicity> dbrouwer, maybe kill it??
[01:41] <Tuxicity> How to setup Firestarter to allow Ubuntu update? FTP outbound?
[01:41] <locomorto> hmm?
[01:42] <locomorto> unless you bocked it it should work
[01:42] <locomorto> tuxicity, check your inbound rules
[01:42] <Tuxicity> locomorto, my outbound is restrictive
[01:42] <locomorto> it does not block ubuntu-update by default
[01:42] <locomorto> its not outbound
[01:43] <locomorto> at least i dont think
[01:43] <locomorto> have you tried disabling firefstarter to make sure its that?
[01:43] <Tuxicity> locomorto, I got an outbound event on port 21 from me to shando.nerim.net (dest)
[01:44] <Tuxicity> locomorto, nerim.net is in my repos I think...
[01:44] <Tuxicity> locomorto, and Im not using FTP otherwise...
[01:44] <locomorto> unblock port 21 outbound?
[01:44] <locomorto> you dont really need to block outbound in linux atm
[01:45] <Tuxicity> locomorto, well im a bit overprotective I guess :)
[01:45] <Tuxicity> locomorto, but still, you said ubuntu-update does NOT need outbound??
[01:46] <locomorto> well, it shouldn't need any special ports
[01:46] <locomorto> does apt-get work?
[01:49] <Tuxicity> locomorto, no actuall apt-get update gives many errors/failures
[01:50] <Tuxicity> locomorto, but it seems to be "insternal server errors"...
[01:50] <hussam> anybody here using firefox? I can't seem to be able to install extensions on firefox. I get a file:///usr/lib/firefox/components/nsExtensionManager.js error
[01:51] <Tuxicity> hussam, I do. and I have 1 or 2 extensions (firefox 1.0.2ubuntu)
[01:51] <locomorto> hussam: it works fine for me
[01:52] <locomorto> what ports do you have unblocked?
[01:52] <hussam> could it be because I'm using the firefox1.0.3 installer from mozilla.org?
[01:52] <locomorto> outbound and inbound
[01:52] <Tuxicity> hussam, absolutly
[01:52] <Mrs_Tbird> what is morning to all
[01:52] <Tuxicity> hussam, I heard some extensions have not yet been updated for 1.0.3
[01:53] <hussam> that's probably it. not a big problem. firefox is great without extensions anyway. :)
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[01:53] <locomorto> lol
[01:54] <kakalto> lol
[01:54] <Tuxicity> locomorto, inbound --> nothing
[01:56] <Tuxicity> locomorto, which should I unblock?
[01:56] <Fackamato> anyone got lirc working in ubuntu?
[01:56] <locomorto> whats in the outbound section?
[01:57] <Tuxicity> locomorto, http https irc
[01:57] <Tuxicity> locomorto, 80 443 6667
[01:57] <locomorto> it would be my reccomendation to not have anything in there, as i really dont see the point, but you could try adding 21 and 20
[01:58] <locomorto> as in
[01:58] <locomorto> it not being restrictive
[01:58] <Tuxicity> locomorto, huh, but then I could not access anything?
[01:58] <locomorto> read the next two lines ;)
[01:59] <Saint33> What is the easiers way to share your internet connection in Ubuntu ???
[01:59] <locomorto> after the origianl message i wrote
[01:59] <locomorto> a router
[01:59] <locomorto> Bradley's Bromide:
[01:59] <locomorto> 	If computers get too powerful, we can organize
[01:59] <locomorto> 	them into a committee -- that will do them in.
[01:59] <locomorto> lol
[01:59] <locomorto> sounds like debain
[01:59] <Fackamato> is it possible to install ubuntu fmor the livecd?
[02:00] <locomorto> its better to do it from a install CD
[02:01] <Fackamato> yeah, but is it possible
[02:01] <Tuxicity> Fackamato, it's not designed for that
[02:01] <Fackamato> yeah I know, but is it possible
[02:02] <audrey> slt
[02:03] <Tuxicity> locomorto, sry but Im confused =-O
[02:03] <Amaranth> Fackamato: No, it isn't possible.
[02:04] <Amaranth> Fackamato: Well, you might be able to copy all the files to your HD and install grub but it wouldn't be pretty.
[02:04] <Amaranth> The Live CD works differently
[02:05] <lazarus_> kubuntu, how to find mc (Midnight Commander)?
[02:05] <Amaranth> lazarus_: Search for it in synaptic
[02:06] <Amaranth> Tuxicity: It's a PPC ASM call, iirc. :)
[02:06] <Amaranth> Doubt he meant that.
[02:06] <lazarus_> Amaranth, Ok I will look after sympatic first, tank.
[02:07] <locomorto> Tuxicity, what i mean is be permissive by default to outbound traffic
[02:07] <locomorto> and have no rules for it
[02:08] <Tuxicity> locomorto, but all those ports left open for nothing..?
[02:09] <Tuxicity> locomorto, isnt that risky?
[02:10] <mikl> how do you create the passwordless admin-thingie that cron requires for mysql?
[02:11] <locomorto> their outbound
[02:11] <locomorto> so unless you dont trust your own machine...
[02:12] <raetsel> afternoon all
[02:12] <raetsel> anyone know why my newly installed ubuntu hoary doesn't seem to want to use esc-esc for filename completion in bash?
[02:12] <Tuxicity> locomorto, so there needs to be a trojan on my box, that IS possible, though unlikely o_O
[02:13] <raetsel> I have to use esc-\ now instead
[02:13] <locomorto> yes
[02:14] <raetsel> any bash gurus about? :o)
[02:15] <Tuxicity> raetsel, esc-esc works for me?
[02:16] <raetsel> yeah and it used to work for me on warty and when I upgraded from warty to hoary
[02:16] <raetsel> but not on my fresh install of hoary
[02:16] <Tuxicity> raetsel, Im no bash guru
[02:17] <raetsel> still in trying to fix that I have found out how to make bash work with vi style command listing
[02:17] <raetsel> that's what all the real bash gurus say tuxicity ;o)
[02:20] <Amaranth> raetsel: Use tab?
[02:20] <locomorto> nah
[02:20] <locomorto> i had to go to the toilet
[02:20] <Tuxicity> :)
[02:21] <raetsel> thx amaranth,I  can use esc-\ ok but I really would prefer esc-esc to work as that is what I use all day at work on hp-ux
[02:22] <Amaranth> *shudder*
[02:22] <raetsel> gonna get confusing switching between the two
[02:22] <raetsel> lol - u not a fan of hp-ux then, amaranth?
[02:23] <Saint33> What is the easiers way to share your internet connection in Ubuntu ???
[02:23] <Amaranth> I'm not a fan of any system I don't have the source for. :)
[02:23] <Tuxicity> Saint33, if you dont have a hardware router, use Firestarter
[02:23] <Saint33> I've installed Firestarter and it's not working... says it cant find lan0 even tho it's there
[02:23] <raetsel> fair point, Amaranth fairpoint
[02:23] <Tuxicity> Amaranth, well said, me too
[02:24] <Amaranth> Saint33: sudo apt-get install ipmasq
[02:24] <Saint33> Amaranth, is it easy to configure ?
[02:24] <raetsel> try telling my employers that. :o) Even whenthey do get linux they pay for the redhat enterprise version
[02:24] <Amaranth> It's automatically setup with sane defaults.
[02:25] <Amaranth> By default, this package configures the system as a basic forwarding firewall, with IP spoofing and stuffed routing protection. The firewall will allow hosts behind the firewall to get to the Internet, but not allow connections from the Internet to reach the hosts behind the firewall.
[02:26] <Saint33> oh, so am I able to share the internet connection I have on lan0 through wlan0 (wireless) to my xp laptop ???
[02:26] <Amaranth> TIAS
[02:26] <dantheman> has anyone tried compiling and using gcc 4.0 on ubuntu
[02:26] <dantheman> ?
[02:27] <Burgundavia> dantheman, breezy uses 4.0
[02:27] <dantheman> well, i mean on hoary
[02:27] <drasko> hi all. What is initrd in /boot/grub/menu.lst stands for and how to edit this to boot other distro I have installed, which only has a vmlinuz file in it's /boot directory, and not initrd?
[02:28] <Tuxicity> dantheman, what's the point? you'd have to recompile everything, no?
[02:28] <Amaranth> dantheman: It'll Break Things(tm)
[02:28] <dantheman> oh....darn
[02:29] <raetsel> hey just using the tab key does file completion in bash as well
[02:29] <Amaranth> Unless you recompile every C++ library and application that's on your system with 4.0 and hope none of them have compile errors due to gcc4 being more strict
[02:29] <icebalm> drasko: you dont set initrd if you dont have one
[02:29] <dutch> morning
[02:30] <agenteo> how do you add new fonts in ubuntu? Copying them in the fontconfig directories?
[02:30] <raetsel> hi dutch
[02:30] <Amaranth> raetsel: That's what I said...
[02:30] <dutch> :) raetsel
[02:30] <raetsel> oh sorry Amaranth I thought you meant esc-tab
[02:30] <Amaranth> heh, the esc does nothing
[02:30] <raetsel> I still want esc-esc to work though :o(
[02:31] <Larre> Hi, i did a dist-upgrade yesterday and one package is broken. Kdelibs. How is it supposed to be fixed when i cant do an upgrade when i got a broken package? How is the Ubuntu team fixing that.
[02:31] <Saint33> Amaranth: do you use ipmasq ?
[02:31] <agenteo> anyone knows?
[02:31] <Amaranth> Saint33: Nope.
[02:31] <Amaranth> agenteo: No clue.
[02:31] <Saint33> Amaranth: but it's the best way to enable insternet sharing, yeh ?
[02:32] <Tuxicity> agenteo, i guess, try
[02:32] <drasko> icebalm, but booting stops and says it can not find initrd, although i commented that line in menu.lst
[02:32] <Amaranth> Saint33: It's the simplest.
[02:33] <agenteo> i've tried but I don't see the now fonts like in warty
[02:33] <icebalm> drasko: was it a kernel you built yourself?
[02:33] <drasko> icebalm, no, it is PHLAK distro
[02:33] <Saint33> Amaranth: thx, will try to set it up with my wireless card
[02:34] <icebalm> drasko: I don't know anything about that distro, maybe it expects to find one
[02:35] <drasko> icebalm, I dont think so... Does ro quiet splash options have to do something with it? Should I delete them? What about savedefault in the next line - what is it for?
[02:39] <Albacker> guys, i did apt-get install acroread some days ago, and I got 30% of the package [i use dial up]  i did apt get the next day and got another 10%, today, i did apt-get install acroread and I had to do apt-get update before, and after updating, the download started from 0% :S
[02:41] <sui> blagha
[02:41] <Tuxicity> Albacker, I would like to say I understand your pain... but I have cable :-P
[02:42] <Albacker> Tuxicity, ok
[02:43] <Tuxicity> Albacker, hey, use xpdf
[02:43] <Albacker> Tuxicity, i have gpdf, already but acroread is better !
[02:44] <Tuxicity> Albacker, oooooo, mister prefers closed-source, eh? shame on you! lol
[02:45] <Upayavira> I've got xine playing sound from a DVD, but get a blue screen. I've got libdvdcss2 installed. (totem just crashes, mplayer doesn't show anything.). Any ideas?
[02:45] <davegahan> what could be the problem of skype needing a lot of time to transfer text messages ?
[02:45] <Remenic> I'm sure mister Albacker would still prefer acroread if it were opensource ;)
[02:47] <Albacker> Remenic, well the problem isnt in the open or closed source. the problem in this case stands in "which is the best software" and ... mister isnt the right word for a 15 year old boy.
[02:47] <nanomad> ok people, i have a problem with Hoary...
[02:47] <nanomad> if I logout, i cant login anymore...
[02:47] <nanomad> any ideas?
[02:47] <Tuxicity> Remenic, LFS!
[02:48] <Remenic> Albacker: I'm sorry little boy
[02:48] <Remenic> Tuxicity: what's up with LFS?
[02:48] <nanomad> after logout, all I have is a black screen. I cant do anything. I can only reboot
[02:48] <Albacker> Remenic, no problem.
[02:48] <Albacker> nanomad
[02:49] <nanomad> not with ctrl-alt-del but a hard-reboot
[02:49] <nanomad> yes?
[02:49] <Albacker> can you do, startx
[02:49] <Albacker> in that screen ?
[02:49] <nanomad> cant fall-back to console
[02:49] <Tuxicity> Remenic, I wish I could build my linux from scratch this weekend...
[02:49] <raetsel> well nanomad you can probably try ctrl-alt-f1 to get you a terminal login?
[02:49] <nanomad> no
[02:49] <Remenic> Tuxicity: heh, I don't ;)
[02:49] <Tuxicity> Remenic, but im just dreaming...
[02:50] <nanomad> raetsel, i can only reboot. the monitor is black,
[02:50] <Remenic> Tuxicity: sounds more like a nightmare ;)
[02:50] <Tuxicity> Remenic, why is your address linuxfromscratch.org?
[02:50] <Remenic> because I still have a nice shell account there :P
[02:50] <raetsel> naomad, you've tried ctrl-alt-f1 yeah? and nothing appears?
[02:50] <nanomad> yes
[02:50] <nanomad> pc is blocked
[02:50] <raetsel> bummer
[02:50] <Tuxicity> Remenic, so your a convert from LFS to Ubuntu?
[02:51] <nanomad> raetsel, what?
[02:51] <raetsel> I meant "bad luck, that sounds rough" :o)
[02:51] <nanomad> oh
[02:51] <Remenic> Tuxicity: from LFS (3 yrs) to Gentoo (3yrs) to Archlinux (2 months) to Ubuntu (~3 weeks and counting)
[02:51] <raetsel> sounds like some sort of X windows display problem.......
[02:51] <nanomad> raetsel, ive read that it could be caused by composite
[02:52] <Tuxicity> Remenic, me been on Gentoo ~6 months, then Ubuntu ~6 months
[02:52] <nanomad> infact ive installed it. now it removed, but, maybe, there are same dipendacies still on the pc
[02:52] <raetsel> composite? nanomad?
[02:52] <trentbuck> Hi.  Does Ubuntu release netinst- or bbc-size install images?
[02:52] <nanomad> Composite extensions of Xorg
[02:53] <Remenic> Tuxicity: I have a little 'problem' with ubuntu... there are never any updates available :/  I don't get it, even archlinux had updates daily
[02:53] <raetsel> oh right, sorry nanomad I know very little about Xorg
[02:53] <nanomad> ah
[02:53] <nanomad> np
[02:53] <scizzo> Remenic: using hoary?
[02:53] <raetsel> what graphics card do you have?
[02:53] <Remenic> scizzo: yes
[02:53] <Tuxicity> Remenic, well there is only security updates to the stable
[02:53] <scizzo> Remenic: then it is nothing wrong...
[02:53] <nanomad> Ati radeon 9550
[02:54] <scizzo> Remenic: only security updates are done in hoary...just like Tuxicity tells you
[02:54] <Remenic> i have hoary, heary-secutiry and heary-updates listed, but still I haven't seen any updates for 2 weeks
[02:54] <occy> hmmm
[02:55] <Remenic> could my mirror be shitty?
[02:55] <scizzo> Remenic: read what I said before
[02:55] <trentbuck> So hoary = stable, breezy = testing?
[02:55] <scizzo> trentbuck: yes
[02:55] <meng> how to fetch breezy?
[02:55] <trentbuck> scizzo: is there a sid?
[02:55] <scizzo> trentbuck: thats for debian
[02:55] <trentbuck> heh.
[02:56] <grumpysmurf> sid is the debian successor to sarge
[02:56] <tidalwav1> Hi, all, who knows how to get ALSA working :p
[02:56] <raetsel> nonmad, some info here about editing xorg.conf for radeon... http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-24557.html
[02:56] <trentbuck> grumpysmurf: no, sid is permanently "unstable".
[02:56] <grumpysmurf> oh?
[02:56] <scizzo> okay...the fact is...if you use hoary you "should" be able to get everything working and have it stable...using the development stuff will surely break something in time...
[02:56] <grumpysmurf> different than i last heard, but then, i haven't touched debian in at least two years.
[02:56] <Choubaka> etch will be the next testing.
[02:56] <scizzo> or something simular
[02:56] <Choubaka> or something
[02:57] <trentbuck> grumpysmurf: ICBW.
[02:57] <tidalwav1> anyone with ALSA experience? :(
[02:57] <trentbuck> tidalwav1: What's the trouble?
[02:57] <scizzo> if people are interested in development and other things with ubuntu I suggest to put some time on the wiki to find answers
[02:58] <tidalwav1> trent: just installed Hoary on a new(er) computer than I had been using it on previosuly. ESD works, but ALSA is dead...I can't select it in multimedia systems selector, I have no sound in frozen-bubble, etc, but I have the regular GNOME sounds.
[02:58] <Choubaka> well, duh
[02:58] <Choubaka> esd is hogging alsa. :)
[02:58] <tidalwav1> how do I make them play nice? :P
[02:58] <grumpysmurf> ask nicely?
[02:58] <trentbuck> tidalwav1: what sound card is it?  Use lspci.
[02:58] <tidalwav1> uhhhmmm
[02:58] <Choubaka> Short answer: You can't. :P
[02:59] <trentbuck> tidalwav1: nm, Choubaka's answer is better.
[02:59] <Choubaka> make frozen bubble use esd instead.
[02:59] <grumpysmurf> i wish i had sound card/driver issues... then i could help people having trouble :/
[02:59] <tidalwav1> Ensoniq ES1371 [AudioPCI-97]  (rev 09)
[02:59] <tidalwav1> :p
[02:59] <tidalwav1> Informative?
[02:59] <scizzo> tidalwav1: I would suggest to turn off the sound server
[02:59] <ubuntoid> What is the usual Gnome CD burning software?
[02:59] <tidalwav1> scizzo: killall esd?
[03:00] <tidalwav1> ubuntoid: apt-get install gnomebaker :)
[03:00] <scizzo> tidalwav1: turn of ESD and skip the sounds that GNOME uses and try to use ALSA instead...
[03:00] <grumpysmurf> trouble with an ES1371??
[03:00] <grumpysmurf> i was using that chipset on linux five years ago ><
[03:00] <ubuntoid> tidalwav1:  danke
[03:00] <tidalwav1> grumpy: GAH!
[03:00] <trentbuck> You can only have ONE program using each sound card at any one time.  In your case, that program is ESD.  Other programs then connect to ESD, which multiplexes the sources.  Some programs don't know about ESD and try to talk to the sound card directly, hence they don't play sound (because ESD is already using the sound card).
[03:00] <grumpysmurf> tidalwav1 gah indeed.  i blame ALSA and ESD.  i believe i was using OSS back then.
[03:00] <tidalwav1> :p
[03:01] <tidalwav1> k, I typed killall esd...should I try selecting ALSA in the MMSS?
[03:01] <trentbuck> I want to get a just-enough-to-install ISO image, then get other packages via my apt-proxy.  What's the best way to go about that?  Does jigdo work with Ubuntu?
[03:01] <Amaranth> trentbuck: Not true, newer sound cards can do the mixing themselves and ALSA has dmix for those that can't.
[03:01] <tidalwav1> oooh it works now :p
[03:01] <trentbuck> Amaranth: I stand corrected.  My $18 cards dont :-)
[03:01] <grumpysmurf> the wonderful thing about standards is there's so many to choose from.  in this discussion, the sound standards.
[03:01] <chesty> I have an SB Audigy, it's detected fine, lots of snd modules loaded including snd_emu10k1 (although nothing in dmesg about it). every channel is unmuted, yet I can't get any sound out of it
[03:01] <tidalwav1> lezsee if FB has sound :p
[03:01] <grumpysmurf> trentbuck my $18 sound card does :D
[03:02] <grumpysmurf> chaintec a710, envy24 chipset ;)
[03:02] <tidalwav1> IT'S ALLIIVEEE apparently all it needed was killall esd :p
[03:02] <Amaranth> Appearently my integrated VIA sound thingie (dunno what to call it, it isn't a card) can do it.
[03:02] <trentbuck> AU$18, about four years ago ;-)
[03:02] <tidalwav1> but now that ALSA is selected, will it always be used by defult?
[03:02] <tidalwav1> or will I have to do this every time I turn on the compy
[03:03] <Amaranth> Well, applications using ALSA are a bit unstable sometimes because ALSA is relatively new.
[03:03] <scizzo> tidalwav1: turn off the sound server in: system -> administration -> sound
[03:03] <scizzo> Amaranth: is it?
[03:03] <scizzo> Amaranth: ALSA from what I know has been around for a while
[03:03] <grumpysmurf> uh
[03:03] <tidalwav1> scizzo: it isn' there
[03:03] <grumpysmurf> alsa has been around for a few years.
[03:03] <Amaranth> scizzo: It's only been in the kernel since 2.6
[03:03] <tidalwav1> there's no 'sound'
[03:03] <tidalwav1> oh, it's in prefs :;
[03:03] <scizzo> tidalwav1: look in the rest of the menu
[03:04] <tidalwav1> scizzo: yep, got it
[03:04] <scizzo> Amaranth: the kernel yes...but ALSA itself has been around for quite a few years now
[03:04] <tidalwav1> but if I turn off the server, will I still have sound? :
[03:04] <JeffWl> Hi all, Hoary unable to power off computer after shutdown?
[03:04] <grumpysmurf> if your programs are alsa aware, you should, tidalwav1
[03:04] <Amaranth> scizzo: Sure, but most apps didn't use it because it wasn't standard.
[03:05] <scizzo> Amaranth: the thing is that 2.6 is using ALSA as standard...there was support for it before
[03:05] <iscandar> hi
[03:05] <scizzo> Amaranth: ummm.not really
[03:05] <tidalwav1> grumpy: k, thanks, I'll reboot to see if everything worked :)
[03:05] <grumpysmurf> JeffWl thats an option for acpi / apm in the kernel..
[03:05] <scizzo> Amaranth: most applications for example the applications coded against GNOME is using ESD because GNOME is using ESD sound server
[03:05] <Amaranth> scizzo: That's my point.
[03:05] <JeffWl> grumpysmurf, what should i change to enable power off?
[03:05] <scizzo> Amaranth: and KDE is using another sort of soundserver
[03:06] <Amaranth> scizzo: ESD supported alsa but the apps themselves didn't have to
[03:06] <iscandar> need an help configuring a belkin wireless card on last ubuntu.... tried to follow howto, but doesn't really seem to work....
[03:06] <grumpysmurf> er, kde used to use alsa.  did they switch to something else?
[03:06] <grumpysmurf> my desktop linux history is pretty foggy from 2000-2004
[03:06] <Ocid> JeffWl: this worked for me http://ubuntuguide.org/4.10/index.html#acpipoweroff
[03:06] <Amaranth> scizzo: The ones that use ALSA now use relatively new code for it so it can be buggy.
[03:06] <Amaranth> grumpysmurf: KDE uses aRtsd
[03:07] <grumpysmurf> JeffWl yeah try Ocid's link.. unfortunately i have only ever enabled that option while recompiling a kernel..
[03:07] <grumpysmurf> Amaranth oh damn thats right.
[03:07] <grumpysmurf> wasn't artsd based on alsa though? :D
[03:07] <Amaranth> grumpysmurf: It can use ALSA, yes.
[03:08] <scizzo> grumpysmurf: would be easier to tell it to use ALSA instead of coding something that would overwrite ALSA stuff
[03:08] <JeffWl> Ocid, grumpysmurf , i will try that now
[03:08] <grumpysmurf> all i know is that since about 1999, sound on linux has "just worked" for me.
[03:08] <JeffWl> thanks
[03:08] <scizzo> people using none duplex soundcards has troubles using ESD and ALSA at the same time for example...
[03:08] <Amaranth> grumpysmurf: You're lucky, it's only "just worked" for me since 2004.
[03:08] <grumpysmurf> but i only use known supported-by-linux chipsets.
[03:08] <grumpysmurf> Amaranth ><
[03:09] <grumpysmurf> and i haven't used a creative card since the sblive 5.1 was new. ;)
[03:09] <grumpysmurf> ie, preOddity
[03:09] <Amaranth> heh, until this computer I always used a sb live! 5.1
[03:10] <Amaranth> well, since they had 5.1
[03:10] <grumpysmurf> sblive 5.1 worked great for me.
[03:10] <Amaranth> used a regular sb live! before that
[03:10] <grumpysmurf> yup
[03:10] <grumpysmurf> which also worked fine.
[03:10] <Albacker> bye all !
[03:10] <Amaranth> Yeah, with alsa
[03:10] <Kyaneos> hi
[03:10] <grumpysmurf> most of the trouble i see people having with sound is either on-board chips, or audigy flavours.
[03:11] <Amaranth> Most onboard chips are VIA and linux has better support than windows does for those.
[03:11] <scizzo> grumpysmurf: because the cards most of the time does not support duplex...
[03:11] <Amaranth> When I had WinXP on this machine I had to use the CD that came with the mobo to get my sound and network working. With Ubuntu I just popped in the CD and it worked. :)
[03:11] <Tuxicity> woohoo! just checked, I have full-duplex sound card :)
[03:12] <grumpysmurf> Tuxicity congratulations ? :)
[03:12] <grumpysmurf> scizzo meh.
[03:12] <scizzo> grumpysmurf: so if the system is using ESD and ALSA then ESD will override the sound and use it...all the other thingys will not work ecxept if they are using ESD as the way to send sound
[03:12] <muep> does ubuntu recognize ISA-bus network cards automatically?
[03:12] <grumpysmurf> muep it should.
[03:12] <Tuxicity> grumpysmurf, and I dont even know what it means! eeeha!
[03:12] <grumpysmurf> Tuxicity it means that your sound card is magical.
[03:13] <grumpysmurf> muep though i haven't actually seen an ISA sound card in about 7 years.
[03:13] <darkaudit> any word on the gtk fix for Hoary?
[03:13] <Amaranth> scizzo: ESD and aRtsd aren't even needed anymore and that isn't always true.
[03:13] <tidalwav1> k, now it's the opposite: I have sound in frozen-bubble, but no GNOME sounds.
[03:14] <trentbuck> darkaudit: what was wrong with GTK in Hoary?
[03:14] <scizzo> Amaranth: hehe....well some of us like the small mini sounds that comes when GAIM or something is sending a msg or something...hehe
[03:14] <scizzo> Amaranth: :D
[03:14] <Amaranth> scizzo: dmix
[03:14] <tidalwav1> anyone know why?
[03:14] <darkaudit> trentbuck: the file-roller directory bug... was actually in gtk... it's listed as pending upload in bugzilla
[03:15] <scizzo> tidalwav1: easy...you turned it off
[03:15] <tidalwav1> scizzo: but...gah?
[03:15] <scizzo> tidalwav1: ESD is being used by GNOME...
[03:15] <tidalwav1> lol
[03:15] <Mykq3> hello any freeciv players here??
[03:15] <tidalwav1> can't I make GNOME use ALSA, too?
[03:15] <Amaranth> tidalwav1: Yeah, you can.
[03:15] <scizzo> tidalwav1: killall esd killed the soundserver
[03:15] <tidalwav1> yes I know
[03:15] <tidalwav1> Amaranth: how?
[03:15] <Amaranth> tidalwav1: System->Preferences->Multimedia Systems Selector
[03:15] <darkaudit> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6615
[03:16] <tidalwav1> Amaranth: I have both ALSAs selected
[03:16] <IIIEars> Can i disguise the OS given to IRC or while i am browsing? (Old Windows paranoia? - lol)
[03:16] <Amaranth> IIIEars: You can block all CTCPs.
[03:16] <tidalwav1> when the sound server is running, there are no sounds in frozen-bubble but there are in GNOME, and when the opposite is true when it's not running.
[03:16] <IIIEars> How do i do that?
[03:16] <Amaranth> IIIEars: /umode +C
[03:17] <Amaranth> IIIEars: That's only for this network.
[03:17] <IIIEars> Ah, - Terriffic. - Thank You.
[03:17] <grumpysmurf> tidalwav1 i wish i were at home, i could check my ubuntu.. i have sound in frozen bubble and in gnome
[03:17] <tidalwav1> :P
[03:17] <grumpysmurf> =\
[03:17] <Amaranth> tidalwav1: Set gstreamer to use OSS
[03:17] <Amaranth> tidalwav1: In that multimedia preference panel
[03:17] <Amaranth> the audio output
[03:18] <tidalwav1> amaranth: uhh....
[03:18] <Amaranth> tidalwav1: ALSA has an OSS interface
[03:18] <tidalwav1> sink or source?
[03:18] <Amaranth> sink
[03:18] <john__> What is the command to set a password?
[03:18] <drummer87> what version of PHP is in the repositories? 4 or 5?
[03:18] <Amaranth> john_: passwd
[03:18] <Amaranth> drummer87: 4
[03:18] <john__> thanks!
[03:18] <tidalwav1> nah, now GNOME sound is back and FB is dead again :p
[03:20] <tidalwav1> I give up. :p
[03:20] <cheniz> hi, ubuntu stops and waits, doing nothing for like 1 minute at start up, after it says "Starting Ubuntu..."
[03:21] <cheniz> does anyone else have the same problem?
[03:21] <occy> how do I run memtest86 ?
[03:21] <occy> which memtest doesn't produce anything
[03:22] <IIIEars> memtest is included as a tool on the "Live CD" or in "Rescue Mode" - no?
[03:22] <occy> It says it's installed if I try and apt-get install it
[03:22] <occy> heh
[03:22] <occy> whew, these xchat colors are gonna have to go.
[03:23] <scizzo> occy: most of the time you use memtest from boot
[03:23] <IIIEars> from root how do i find an installed program without opening every folder to look for it?
[03:23] <occy> scizzo, oh... it's not an acutal application?
[03:23] <scizzo> IIIEars: dpkg -l | grep applicationname
[03:23] <trentbuck> IIIEars: dlocate "bin/binaryname"
[03:24] <scizzo> occy: its a test program...you have nothing else but that running on the computer so it can test everything
[03:24] <IIIEars> coo-ol - you don't know how much that little command means to me. - lol
[03:24] <Saint33> Could someone plz help me with Firestarter setup and config...
[03:24] <occy> scizzo, ahh okies, thanks.
[03:25] <IIIEars> scizzo - dpkg-reconconfigure works too doesn't it? - lol
[03:25] <scizzo> occy: before the system is actually booted you should get a question about looking at the boot menu..and in there memtest should be located
[03:26] <scizzo> IIIEars: ummm..that reconfigures a package
[03:27] <scizzo> IIIEars: it doesn't list the actual packages
[03:27] <XandriX> jdub, u there ?
[03:27] <Saint33> Is anyone here using Firestarter as their firewall / internet sharing program
[03:28] <scizzo> IIIEars: dpkg -l lists the packages...using | grep application will give you the result of what application you are looking for: dpkg -l | grep gnome should you give you a package list of all the packages installed that has something to do with gnome
[03:28] <IIIEars> lol - just read about how to change a forgotten root password at boot time - press e to edit grub and add "1" (single user mode)type type passwd - wish i had known - roflmao
[03:28] <Tuxicity> Saint33, as Firewall, yes
[03:28] <Saint33> Tuxicity: did it install ok....??? it's telling me eth0 is not ready and I dont know how...
[03:28] <Amaranth> interesting, esd doesn't even exist on my system anymore...
[03:29] <occy> jdub, you awake?
[03:29] <Tuxicity> Saint33, it's fine. I followes ubuntuguide.org instructions
[03:29] <XandriX> occy i dont think he is
[03:29] <occy> jdub, You working on indubstrial still? (not that it seems like it needs work or anything)
[03:29] <occy> XandriX, ahhh okies, thanks
[03:29] <XandriX> np
[03:29] <Sabator> Does anyone in here use Cedega?
[03:29] <XandriX> me
[03:30] <Sabator> How do you get Steam games to work?
[03:30] <XandriX> eh
[03:30] <Sabator> games like Cs and TFC never connect to servers
[03:30] <XandriX> u need cedega 4.2 for steam
[03:30] <Sabator> 4.2
[03:30] <Sabator> okay
[03:30] <Sabator> I have 4.3
[03:30] <Sabator> I'll get 4.2 as well, thanks
[03:30] <XandriX> it will work
[03:30] <occy> XandriX, awake, or working on indubstrial?
[03:30] <occy> :)
[03:30] <JeffWl> Ocid, Hi, thanks, the acpi=off apm=off thingy worked.
[03:31] <Ocid> JeffWl: great ;)
[03:31] <XandriX> did u adjust all ur network settings in network and do u have only cedega and or point2play alsol
[03:31] <occy> Ocid, heh, they get our nicks confused a lot. :)
[03:31] <Ocid> sure ;)
[03:31] <Saint33> Tuxicity: any ideas why it's giving me the "eth0 not active" error ???
[03:31] <JeffWl> ;)
[03:32] <ericf> Two questions: 1). can anyone tell me if gnome-search-tool only uses locate to find stuff? 2) How can I exclude directories to be searched? I saw I can edit /etc/updatedb.conf and use the -e parameter for updatedb in /etc/cron.daily/slocate, but isn't there a user-configurable file?
[03:32] <XandriX> i think hes sleeping occy
[03:32] <Tuxicity> Saint33, well oviously your network is working if youre here
[03:32] <ericf> with 2) i mean *certain* (sub)directories
[03:32] <Saint33> Tuxicity: yeah, but I cant seem to get this working...and cant find help online
[03:34] <Fackamato> http://www.tehjunkyard.net/pics/fackamato/im001456
[03:35] <pseudo> Anyone know of a workaround to get evolution running again on breezy?
[03:36] <mishof> I asked this already and got an answer, but forgot what it was: what program can i use to make an audio cd into mp3s ?
[03:37] <pseudo> mishof:  sound juicer
[03:37] <Mr_T> hey does anyone know how to automatically make links on the desktop to mounted folders?
[03:37] <mishof> pseudo, thx
[03:37] <pseudo> Mr_T: what do you mean automatically?
[03:37] <Burgundavia> Mr_T, it should just do it
[03:37] <Mr_T> yeah, it worked the first time but not since
[03:37] <syntaxis> mishof: "apt-cache search ripper" will show you more possibilities... take your pick
[03:37] <Montagh> it did it for me the other nite
[03:38] <Mr_T> pseudo, as in, makes a link on the desktop when I mount
[03:38] <pseudo> Mr_T: Say, like a cd rom?
[03:38] <pseudo> It shold already do it
[03:39] <Mr_T> cd seems to work, but not when I mount one of my other partitions
[03:39] <pseudo> but it will only do it iirc if you do it using gnome, and not via command line
[03:39] <pseudo> Mr_T: oh
[03:39] <pseudo> when you mount the partition, it will become part of the file system
[03:39] <pseudo> or should anyway.
[03:39] <mishof> Another question: I've build my kernel, and at the end it says: GRUB is installed. To automatically switch to new kernels, point your
[03:39] <mishof> default entry in menu.lst to /boot/arch/i386/boot/bzImage-2.6.10
[03:39] <mishof>  - thing is, that file doesnt exist. where can i find it?
[03:40] <pseudo> if I'm understanding you correctly
[03:40] <mishof> (/boot/arch/i386/boot/bzImage-2.6.10 doesnt exist)
[03:40] <EddieX> Mr_T, I have same problem, i have added my partitions to fstab and i dont get any nice icons on my desktop either
[03:40] <Tuxicity> Mr_T, it doesnt put partitons on desktop, just removable drives, no?
[03:40] <pseudo> Mr_T: You can always browse to places >> computer >> share
[03:41] <Mr_T> EddieX, exactly, it worked the first time, also put shortcuts in "computer"
[03:41] <Amaranth> EddieX: Places->Computer, drag the icon out to the desktop
[03:41] <Mr_T> Tuxicity, yeah, just removeables
[03:41] <birkett> Hi. I have just tried booting off the install CD, but it hangs when it loads the ide driver. Can anyone help me?
[03:42] <EddieX> Amaranth, Im fine without them :) Thanks anyway.
[03:42] <pseudo> Anyone know anything about the breezy/evolution issue?
[03:43] <Mr_T> Amaranth, only cd/filesystem show up in "computer"
[03:44] <IIIEars> birkett - are you sure your drive is functional?
[03:44] <Amaranth> Mr_T: Things you add to your fstab should be cd/filesystems
[03:44] <IIIEars> ide drivers are fairly generic.
[03:44] <Amaranth> Mr_T: Removable drives get handled by the project utopia stack
[03:44] <birkett> Yes, it works on my existing install of debian.
[03:45] <birkett> IIIEears: I think it is related to some debian specific kernel patch, I have had similar problems with official debian kernels
[03:46] <IIIEars> My drive dies a few weeks ago - got the same message.
[03:48] <Tuxicity> mishof, i think bzImage is in /usr/src/linux/arch/386....
[03:48] <raetsel> bye all
[03:50] <Tuxicity> mishof, and you need to copy it (bzImage) to /boot
[03:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> kk|sleep. i was out of the house :(
[03:56] <mdke> is gftp compiled without ssl support? if so, is there any way to get it in?
[03:59] <larsrohdin> yo! Im trying to emulate some games in wine, but it complains about my screen resolution all the time... what can i do?
[03:59] <grumpysmurf> mdke: i see HTTPS Support unavailable since SSL support was not compiled in. Aborting connection. from strings on the gftp binary
[04:00] <mdke> grumpysmurf, i am looking for ftp ssl support
[04:00] <gratuit> larsrohdin: have you tried transgaming's version?
[04:00] <larsrohdin> gratuit, no that costs money..
[04:00] <grumpysmurf> mdke there's a line for FTPS saying the same thing
[04:00] <grumpysmurf> use sftp :)
[04:00] <mdke> grumpysmurf, so its not compiled in?
[04:01] <grumpysmurf> strings /usr/bin/gftp-gtk | grep FTPS yields FTPS Support unavailable since SSL support was not compiled in.
[04:01] <larsrohdin> but how can i change my screen resolution? before i could use xrandr, but it doesn't work anymore...
[04:01] <grumpysmurf> so it would appear that SSL support is not compiled into gftp.
[04:01] <Andrea> hi I have a problem with ACPI configuration on mi Lap. I have an Acer Aspire 1694 (Centrino pentium M 760 2.0GHz). The result is that I have non CPU and battery optimization and mi Lap produce heat, much more heat than in Windows. Someone can help me?
[04:02] <Tuxicity> larsrohdin, edit xorg.conf?
[04:02] <grumpysmurf> Andrea as i recall, Linux acpi doesn't quite support cpu throttling like windows so your CPU runs at full speed all the time, so it is of course hotter.
[04:03] <larsrohdin> Tuxicity, maybe you could help me do that...?
[04:03] <Andrea> When I had to install Ubuntu I had to use on boot > linux ACPI=off
[04:03] <Tuxicity> larsrohdin, yes type "sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf"
[04:03] <XandriX> ...
[04:03] <irbdavid> how do i kill the x server in ubuntu?
[04:03] <mdke> irbdavid, logout, press ctrl alt backspace
[04:03] <irbdavid> want to install Nvidia drivers
[04:04] <larsrohdin> Tuxicity, check
[04:04] <irbdavid> that restarts it as well though
[04:04] <mdke> irbdavid, if you want to stop it permanently, logout, press ctrl alt F1
[04:04] <grumpysmurf> irbdavid /etc/init.d/gdm stop from a command prompt.
[04:04] <mdke> irbdavid, then login and do sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[04:04] <irbdavid> cool, thanks
[04:04] <EddieX> gdm stop does not work for me in Hoary
[04:04] <grumpysmurf> rather, with the sudo of course.
[04:04] <Tuxicity> larsrohdin, find the section called "Screen"
[04:04] <Ekaitza> Hello everybody
[04:04] <XandriX> *lpt1
[04:05] <Tuxicity> Ekaitza, hi
[04:05] <Fab_> im in e17 at the moment
[04:05] <Fab_> :):)
[04:05] <Andrea> hi I have a problem with ACPI configuration on mi Lap. I have an Acer Aspire 1694 (Centrino pentium M 760 2.0GHz). The result is that I have non CPU and battery optimization and mi Lap produce heat, much more heat than in Windows. Someone can help me?
[04:06] <larsrohdin> Tuxicity, check
[04:06] <Ekaitza> does anybody know if it is any possibility to save the configuration in a live Unbutu cd???
[04:06] <irbdavid> no gcc installed by default?
[04:07] <frank__> irbdavid, no
[04:07] <Tuxicity> larsrohdin, find SubSection "Display" with Depth 24
[04:07] <larsrohdin> Tuxicity, check
[04:07] <irbdavid> is it on the disk?  i cant connect to net with ubuntu - modem doesnt work
[04:08] <Tuxicity> larsrohdin, you see Modes?
[04:08] <larsrohdin> yeha
[04:08] <larsrohdin> yeah=)
[04:08] <frank__> irbdavid, I don't knof its on the disc. My guess is it's not
[04:09] <colder> hi there, I would like to add a fat32 harddrive used under windows
[04:09] <Tuxicity> larsrohdin, replace with what you want, maybe "1024x768 800x600 640x480"
[04:09] <irbdavid> looks like it is
[04:09] <larsrohdin> ?
[04:09] <frank__> colder, check the forums /wiki
[04:09] <larsrohdin> it looks like this... Modes	"1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" "720x400"
[04:10] <Tuxicity> larsrohdin, yes i mean like that
[04:10] <frank__> larsrohdin, do you have the right monitor settings? Horz and Vert
[04:10] <Tuxicity> larsrohdin, the 1st resolution to the left is the first one it tries. if it fails, it will try the 2nd
[04:10] <larsrohdin> but it is already like that...
[04:10] <Tuxicity> larsrohdin, which resolution you want6
[04:11] <larsrohdin> ok... so i should edit to for example "1024x768" "800x600" "720x400" if i want 1024?
[04:11] <Tuxicity> larsrohdin, yes
[04:11] <larsrohdin> ok!
[04:11] <Andrea> irbdavid, put installation cd in your drive then Sistem>administration>Ubuntu Update Manager then find>gcc install
[04:11] <grumpysmurf> colder specifically, search for 'fat32' on ubuntuforums.org or ubuntulinux.org
[04:11] <colder> kay thanks
[04:12] <larsrohdin> Tuxicity, and then restart x...
[04:12] <Tuxicity> larsrohdin, save and exit. restart X with ctrl-alt-backspace
[04:12] <larsrohdin> thanks alot, ill be back if it doesn't work=)
[04:12] <Tuxicity> larsrohdin, sure
[04:13] <Andrea> hi I have a problem with ACPI configuration on mi Lap. I have an Acer Aspire 1694 (Centrino pentium M 760 2.0GHz). The result is that I have non CPU and battery optimization and mi Lap produce heat, much more heat than in Windows. Someone can help me? When I installed Linux at the beginning in the boot I had to type linux ACPI=OFF
[04:13] <grumpysmurf> Andrea as i recall, Linux acpi doesn't quite support cpu throttling like windows so your CPU runs at full speed all the time, so it is of course hotter.
[04:13] <Ekaitza> does anybody know if it is any possibility to save the configuration in a live Unbutu cd???
[04:13] <Andrea> grumpysmurf, is it a problem....it can be damaged?
[04:13] <frank__> grumpysmurf, some cpu throttling exists. I dont nkow the details
[04:14] <darkaudit> frank__: what about powernowd and the cpufreq modules?
[04:14] <Tuxicity> Ekaitza, probably by saving youer /home folder?
[04:14] <Tuxicity> Ekaitza, but then you would need to restore it some way..
[04:15] <Tuxicity> Ekaitza, i dont really know
[04:15] <darkaudit> had to search a bit, but now my CPU varies from 1.6GHz to 2.2GHz...
[04:15] <Ekaitza> I looks quite difficult
[04:15] <Ekaitza> there must be an easy way
[04:15] <Ekaitza> but thanks anyway ;)
[04:15] <Tuxicity> Ekaitza, there probably is, but I dont use the liveCD
[04:17] <Tuxicity> Ekaitza, ther may some asnwer on ubuntuforums.org
[04:17] <frank__> darkaudit, How did you do it? is it a athlon64?
[04:18] <Andrea> darkaudit, does it work also for mi centrino?
[04:19] <darkaudit> frank__: it's an Athlon XP 2500+ (overclocked to a 3200+)
[04:20] <frank__> darkaudit, How do you control the frequency?
[04:20] <larsrohdin> Tuxicity, it worked, but it didn't take care of my problem as i had hoped... I'm trying to play some games on Wine but all games give the error message, "couldn't find a suitable display mode"....
[04:21] <darkaudit> Andrea: not sure about Intel CPU's... I added cpufreq-userspace and cpufreq-nforce2 to /etc/modules... You'll need the correct module for your chipset
[04:21] <Amaranth> SeamusLP: PING?
[04:22] <darkaudit> frank__: once the modules are loaded, powernowd does the rest... it's loaded by default, but the modules aren't installed by default
[04:22] <colder> a fstab -l state that my disk use the system "SFS" what's the correspondant system I've to use on the fstab file ?
[04:22] <colder> erm a fdisk
[04:23] <frank__> darkaudit, I see.. where are the modules?
[04:23] <Tuxicity> larsrohdin, hmm well most games should run under 1024x768 24bits, i have no idea
[04:23] <Tuxicity> larsrohdin, what kind of games?
[04:24] <frank__> darkaudit, I have cpufreq_userspace , _ondemand, _powersave, but no chipset specific one
[04:24] <larsrohdin> ive tried all my games...
[04:24] <SeamusLP> Amaranth:  PONG
[04:24] <jojo123> hi all
[04:24] <Amaranth> SeamusLP: Kick goldfish for me, he broke something before he went to bed.
[04:24] <larsrohdin> from sim city 2000 to splinter cell... splinter cell almost worked...=)
[04:25] <darkaudit> lemme look... almost dumb luck that I found the right one... :)
[04:25] <SeamusLP> Amaranth:  You want me to try and wake him up? crap.
[04:25] <jojo123> I'm having gdm issues with OpenBox. Anyone running a setup like that?
[04:25] <Amaranth> SeamusLP: hehe, please?
[04:25] <dataw0lf|w> good morning people.
[04:25] <larsrohdin> Tuxicity, some games show this... "Please use the registry key HKEY_CURRENT_CONFIG\Software\Fonts\LogPixels
[04:25] <larsrohdin> to set the screen resolution and remove the "Resolution" entry in the config file
[04:25] <larsrohdin> "
[04:25] <SeamusLP> Amaranth:  Granted he has a test in an hour and he he's been asleep for like two
[04:26] <Amaranth> oh, i can wait then
[04:26] <darkaudit> frank__: they're somewhere in /lib/modules... still looking
[04:27] <Tuxicity> larsrohdin, im clueless. maybe you should search Google for "wine + someGame" for specific issues
[04:27] <jojo123> Right now i am running xdm because it does what .xsession tells it to. GDM seems to ignore my .xsession totally. Anyone knows how I can make gdm execute my ~.xsession?
[04:27] <hksdu> anyone know what program will show the system resource information and the weather broadcast on ubuntu desktop, I saw it on an article?
[04:28] <darkaudit> /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-k7/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/cpu/cpufreq
[04:28] <darkaudit> frank__: that's where mine is...
[04:28] <larsrohdin> Tuxicity, ok thanks anyway...is there a list of which games that work?
[04:29] <Tuxicity> larsrohdin, >google<
[04:29] <larsrohdin> =) ok, thanks again dude!
[04:29] <frank__> darkaudit: I think I found mine powernow-k8. how do I load it?  add to /etc/modules ?
[04:29] <Tuxicity> larsrohdin, but im afraid few games can work full speed on Wine...
[04:30] <jojo123> anyone's got any experience with gdm and ~.xsession file?
[04:30] <_nemo> hi all
[04:30] <jojo123> ni _nemo
[04:30] <jojo123> ni=hi
[04:30] <SeamusLP> Amaranth:  I'll make sure he doesn't go to sleep after the test, heh.
[04:30] <guupsta> :)
[04:30] <darkaudit> frank__: powernowd should already be running, you need the cpufreq modules...
[04:30] <Amaranth> SeamusLP: Just wake him up a little early for the test so he gets on IRC. :)
[04:31] <_nemo> i have a problem with the repository ftp.nerim.net
[04:31] <occy> root@captain:~ # apt-get install beep-media-player
[04:31] <occy> Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree... Done  E: Couldn't find package beep-media-player
[04:31] <occy> wow
[04:31] <occy> hmm
[04:31] <jojo123> _nemo: authentication errors?
[04:31] <_nemo> yes
[04:31] <_nemo> is it normal?
[04:31] <jojo123> _nemo: me to.
[04:32] <frank__> darkaudit, I have this /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-amd64-k8/kernel/arch/x86_64/kernel/cpufreq/powernow-k8.ko
[04:32] <jojo123> _nemo: it started a month ago or so. don't know what is causing it
[04:32] <_nemo> ah, ok, thanks
[04:32] <Cass> hi all, any reason why i dont see my current partition setup during a ubuntu 5.04 install, like http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=305&slide=10 all i get is a whole disk
[04:32] <jojo123> _nemo: but all apps from nerim works
[04:32] <lizdeika> whats the normal temperature for hdd ?
[04:32] <dazed> Cass is it windows partition
[04:32] <_nemo> yes, i see
[04:33] <_nemo> but is it secure to use it??
[04:33] <Cass> dezed i have 1 windows and a linux ext 3 one
[04:33] <jojo123> _nemo: i have no idea. i need it anyway :-)
[04:33] <dazed> Cass: one sec let me look at ur shot
[04:33] <occy> ahh there it is. :)
[04:33] <_nemo> synaptic claim that is unsecure
[04:33] <Cass> dazed, its what id expect to see, but all i get is whole disk
[04:34] <_nemo> yes, i also need it
[04:34] <dazed> oh ok
[04:34] <jojo123> _nemo: ...because it can not authenticate it. I have used that ftp server before and never had any problems with it. not even now. I would say it is safe. My personal oppinion that is.
[04:34] <dazed> Cass: the only explination i can come up with is that the ubu partitioner is pretty bad (as well as most other distro's partitioners) it DOES not pick up Windows partitions but it should pick up the ext2
[04:35] <Tuxicity> lizdeika, didnt know you could measure that, but system temp. should be around 40 Celsius
[04:35] <housetier> is there a rhythmbox-like (mp3,ogg,library/browser thing) media player without dependencies on gnome or (my)sql?
[04:35] <dazed> if you want to partition a 3rd partition unallocated it should pick up that and then just auto partition the unallocated and thats the way to go
[04:35] <dazed> Cass: ^
[04:35] <larsrohdin> Tuxicity, yeah i know about that, but i can't pay for the transgaming-solution...
[04:35] <lizdeika> Tuxicity: i gor 45 C for HDD
[04:35] <lizdeika> *got
[04:36] <Cass> hey nice one dazed, so i blow my current linux setup away and install ubuntu, hope this works :-)
[04:36] <Cass> thx
[04:36] <dazed> Cass: dont blow ur current
[04:36] <dazed> just add a 3rd unallocated
[04:36] <Cass> no space
[04:36] <dazed> ehh
[04:36] <dazed> i see
[04:36] <Cass> happy enough to rid of mandrake
[04:37] <dazed> well its worth it for ubu its great :)
[04:37] <Tuxicity> lizdeika, all i know is a CPU is around 40 C
[04:37] <Cass> going to install it to the latest version anyway,thought id try ubuntu first as im getting a bit annoyed with mdk recently
[04:37] <darkaudit> Tuxicity: I only upped my fsb from 166MHz to 200MHz... high temp has been 40C
[04:38] <Cass> thx dazed, see ya !
[04:38] <FlyingSquirrel32> My firms switching to a document management sys. called Interwoven iManage, I'd like to open docs from my system too. Any ideas?
[04:41] <occy> how do I get rid of these XChat colors and go back to default XChat colors under Hoary?
[04:41] <occy> they are quite hard to see.
[04:48] <cartman> how do I re-set keymap to load at bootime ( boottime.kmap.gz ) ?
[04:48] <SeamusLP> Amaranth:  Hurry he's partially awake, he wants to know what he broke?
[04:48] <Amaranth> tell him to get on IRC :)
[04:49] <Amaranth> he forgot to chmod some files daeken needs, or something
[04:49] <SeamusLP> he mumbled something and rolled over
[04:50] <Amaranth> d'oh
[04:50] <Amaranth> SeamusLP: he needs to chmod napster.tar.gz so the webserver can access it.
[04:50] <Xappe> Maikeru: the guy with a nic problem, right?
[04:50] <Amaranth> SeamusLP: when he wakes up again :)
[04:50] <SeamusLP> You need to access it on the webserver?
[04:51] <frank__> how do I load the powernow-k8 module?
[04:51] <john__> Hello! How do I install a graphics card driver?
[04:51] <Zen> Hey all. I need to know if ubuntu supports the wintv promio tv card?
[04:52] <Zen> *primio
[04:52] <cartman> frank__: modprobe powernow-k8 m
[04:52] <SeamusLP> Amaranth: If I knew the root password I'd help you out.  But Alex isn't being very responsive.  So maybe you'll see him again in about 6 hours or so.
[04:52] <cartman> 2nd try : how do I re-set keymap to load at bootime ( boottime.kmap.gz ) ?
[04:53] <Zen> Hey all....again. I need to know if ubuntu supports the wintv promio tv card?
[04:53] <Zen> *primio
[04:54] <Zen> heh
[04:54] <frank__> cartman, can you make sense of this? FATAL: Error inserting powernow_k8 Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)   dmesg has nothing
[04:54] <cartman> frank__: do dmesg and paste *last* line
[04:54] <] BreliC[> Zen, did you try googling it?  I type in "linux wintv primio tv card" in google and a crapload of links came up
[04:55] <frank__> cartman: youre right it IS relevant - something about acpi
[04:55] <frank__> cartman, ACPI: FADT (v001 AMIINT VIA_K8   0x00000011 MSFT 0x00000097) @ 0x000000003fff0030
[04:55] <grumpysmurf> wow 909 packages installed on my ubuntuuu
[04:55] <john__> Hello??
[04:56] <cartman> frank__: well thats not an error
[04:56] <] BreliC[> how popular do you guys want linux/Ubuntu to become?
[04:56] <cartman> frank__: lsmod|grep powernow_k8
[04:56] <john__> I asked a question!
[04:56] <FlyingSquirrel32> ] BreliC[: What kind of question is that?? / Why do you ask?
[04:57] <frank__> cartman: nothing
[04:57] <john__> I asked about how to install a graphic card driver.
[04:57] <john__> In ubuntu.
[04:57] <frank__> john_, what kind of card?
[04:57] <hussam> anybody knows if there will be 3rd party debs for OpenOffice.org 2.0?
[04:58] <cartman> frank__: humpf try insmod /path/to/module
[04:58] <john__> Radeon Sapphire 256MB
[04:58] <] BreliC[> FlyingSquirrel32, heh, well, because i see with each new iteration of the kernel and more popular distros that the media is catching on, and the demands that some of these reviewers put on linux seem geared to driving it down the same road as windows, and eventually, if linux becomes highly popular, wouldn't it just becomes as user-friendly and bloated at the expense of stability and quickness?
[04:59] <john__> Atlantis
[04:59] <] BreliC[> FlyingSquirrel32, it's just that once commercial interests really get involved, they usually find a few ways to muck it up and ruin it for everyone
[04:59] <frank__> cartman: insmod: error inserting '/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-amd64-k8/kernel/arch/x86_64/kernel/cpufreq/powernow-k8.ko': -1 No such device
[04:59] <] BreliC[> it's a catch-22 really
[04:59] <FlyingSquirrel32> ] BreliC[: Well, comercial isn't what is pushing linux
[05:00] <cartman> frank__: hum looks like you don't have a k8 cpu? :)
[05:00] <] BreliC[> FlyingSquirrel32, no, but it's not inconceivable that it will be
[05:00] <FlyingSquirrel32> ] BreliC[: windows is trash 'cause they are more intrested in marketing
[05:00] <ren0> When I apt-get upgrade I am getting the following error Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[05:00] <keffo> ren0, root?
[05:00] <ren0> sudo
[05:00] <keffo> try root
[05:01] <frank__> cartman, I have a k8 cpu!
[05:01] <cartman> frank__: no idea :/
[05:01] <FlyingSquirrel32> ] BreliC[: You'll notice that although linux is growing, it's not taking the world by storm.
[05:01] <] BreliC[> FlyingSquirrel32, right.  but the same *could* happen to linux one day if it were to become the de facto #2 or #1 OS
[05:01] <frank__> cartman, ok well thanks anyway! ;-)
[05:01] <SeamusLP> ] Brelic[:  Ubuntu will always be free, presumably.  Don't see how commercial interests are involved at all here.
[05:01] <] BreliC[> FlyingSquirrel32, of course not, MS is making sure of that.  But like all empires, all companies eventually make mistakes and become overstretched and die or fizzle out
[05:01] <FlyingSquirrel32> ] BreliC[: since the code is open, it is easier for people to make better versions
[05:02] <cartman> what was the command to make dpkg-reconfigure asks you *all* questions again?
[05:02] <ciocanel> how can I change the download port for gnome-bt?
[05:02] <SeamusLP> ] Brelic[:  And you're using Linux rather broadly here.  Are you saying that commercial interests are going to muck up the linux kernel or one or two linux distributions?
[05:02] <Sabator> OK guys, quick question. Can XMMS use Winamp plugins?
[05:02] <FlyingSquirrel32> microsoft can only control $$. Linux is not being held back by m$, It's just not getting a quick acceptance from people.
[05:03] <frank__> john_, I don;t know how to install the driver for an ATI card. driver support in linux for ATI is way behind nvidia
[05:03] <djm62> Sabator: skins, but not plugins
[05:03] <] BreliC[> SeamusLP, well, both.  In the case of ditros, it's more tangible to see Suse cozying up with Novell.. but the Kernel, they won't be purists forever
[05:03] <Sabator> is there anything for Linux that can handle winamp plugins?
[05:03] <SeamusLP> Sabator:  There are some great xmms plugins too.  Check them out.
[05:03] <FlyingSquirrel32> ] BreliC[: as linux continually improves and m$ gradually gets worse, the tables will slowly turn.
[05:03] <Sabator> I'm looking for a .psf player for XMMS
[05:03] <Sabator> and a .flac plugin
[05:04] <SeamusLP> ] BreliC[:  People take the kernel and modify it to their own needs.  It's not going to change the core development.
[05:04] <ren0> keffo ubuntu doesn't use root per se. It uses sudo instead. Anyway apt-get functions. It just won't upgrade  kdelibs-data
[05:04] <] BreliC[> SeamusLP, the whole fight about not including the Logitech Quickcam drivers into the kernel because they are binary is indicative of what they can continue to face
[05:04] <frank__> ren0, I had the same problem
[05:04] <ren0> frank__, did you solve it?
[05:04] <djm62> ] BreliC[: not really...it's a case of "where is the IP stored?"
[05:05] <hksdu> Hi, does anyone know that what program will show the system resource info on an applet or something like that on ubuntu desktop, like gkellm or something like that?
[05:05] <] BreliC[> djm62, what do you mean?
[05:05] <] BreliC[> ahh, never mind, got it
[05:05] <frank__> ren0, uninstall knetworkconf   or whatever the package with the conflict is, install kdelibs-data, install knetworkconf again
[05:05] <djm62> embedded computing power will make it much easier to have smart devices, and dumb, open-sourceable drivers
[05:05] <] BreliC[> IP = intellectual property?
[05:05] <SeamusLP> ] BreliC[:  Doesn't matter.  If a distro wants it, they'll include it via a kernel patch
[05:05] <FlyingSquirrel32> ] BreliC[: check out this article: http://linuxtoday.com/infrastructure/2001041200620OPBZCY
[05:06] <FlyingSquirrel32> ] BreliC[: It will help give you a better idea of the economic motivations for linux
[05:07] <grumpysmurf> wow..
[05:07] <grumpysmurf> 2001 was 4 years ago.
[05:07] <sig> how does ubuntu run on mac hardware?
[05:07] <SeamusLP> grumpysmurf:  Makes you ponder your mortality, doesn't it?
[05:07] <Zen> hey all... i need to use the bttv drivers for my tv card but i have now idea where to start.
[05:07] <djm62> I'm sorry, I can't believe that, Dave
[05:07] <jnk> Hi. Is it possible to download the whole ubuntu archive (with universe and multiverse) ?  (like debian and the dvd images through jigdo)
[05:07] <Maikeru> Hello everybody... I was wondering if anybody could give me some tip about how to get my PCMCIA network card workign in Ubuntu?
[05:07] <grumpysmurf> SeamusLP no it makes me realize i've been using linux for 10 years now.
[05:07] <Zen> any help is loved
[05:08] <frank__> grumpysmurf, we're in the middle of the decade and still don't have a name for it like the 90s, 80s...
[05:08] <jnk> sig, just tested the live cd on a friend's ibook. Worked great, except for the wifi
[05:08] <sig> jnk: the built in wifi?
[05:08] <jnk> yeah
[05:08] <grumpysmurf> airport?
[05:08] <SeamusLP> grumpysmurf:  Man, that's like ever since gcc 2
[05:08] <sig> I thought that was fully supported
[05:09] <FlyingSquirrel32> djm62: are you there?
[05:09] <djm62> metaphorically speaking
[05:09] <Zen> i need to use the bttv drivers for my tv card but i have now idea where to start.
[05:09] <Zen> Please helpy?
[05:09] <grumpysmurf> SeamusLP Slackware 2, i believe, is what i started using.
[05:09] <jnk> sig, well I think only ethernet was working but he was a bit anxious for his computer so I only tested for 2 minutes or so...
[05:09] <jnk> Zen, ok
[05:10] <jnk> Zen,  do "lsmod | grep bttv"  do you see something ?
[05:10] <SeamusLP> grumpysmurf:  I've only been using linux on the desktop for a year now.  Before that I've had a unix shell account for some time.
[05:10] <djm62> SeamusLP: whereabouts?
[05:11] <phxguy> Any  suggestions on what to use to rip cds for  mp3
[05:11] <jnk> yeaaah
[05:11] <SeamusLP> djm62:  same here ;)
[05:11] <djm62> my $HOME from $HOME
[05:11] <jnk> phxguy, sound-juicer is sweeet
[05:11] <SeamusLP> djm62:  Had it for like 5 years
[05:11] <grumpysmurf> phxguy long ago, i liked 'grip'
[05:11] <grumpysmurf> but i haven't ripped cds on linux in like 5+ years
[05:11] <blue_dolphin> okay im trying to install the drive for my ati tv wonder ve card in doing so im trying to compile a driver and am getting this error: make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.10/build: No such file or directory.  Stop.  In the interest of doing things the ubuntu way what package do I need to install or is there any?
[05:11] <Maikeru> My ubuntu system doesn't autodetect  my PCMCIA "corega EtherII PCC-TD" networkcard... on the producers homepage the say that something like "it does work with linux, but... and then the mention pcnet_cs"... it's all written in japanese, so I don't really understand the instructions... does anybode know what they might be talking about
[05:12] <jiyuu0> is backports down?
[05:12] <phxguy> jnk: for soome reason soundjuicer wont give me the option of mp3
[05:12] <wasabi__> I'm looking for an application that shows network usage.
[05:12] <blue_dolphin> in the end all i want is mythtv to work with the ati tv wonder card
[05:12] <wasabi__> in k/sec or something
[05:12] <jnk> phxguy, yeah you must add it yourself (non-free format...)
[05:12] <djm62> SeamusLP: you're the same vintage as me then
[05:12] <FlyingSquirrel32> djm62: when I boot up, my system synchs the time with ntp.ubuntulinux.org I want to turn that of
[05:13] <sig> FlyingSquirrel32: one sec, let me get you the link
[05:13] <djm62> FlyingSquirrel32: remove the symlink to ntpdate from /etc/rc2.d
[05:13] <FlyingSquirrel32> djm62: I can't find it in my inittab or sysinit
[05:13] <jnk> phxguy, I can give you the instructions in some minutes if you want
[05:13] <phxguy> jnk: how do you add it yourself
[05:13] <jnk> phxguy, (busy right now)
[05:13] <FlyingSquirrel32> djm62: k thanks
[05:13] <grumpysmurf> i see /etc/rcS.d/S51ntpdate
[05:13] <grumpysmurf> FlyingSquirrel32
[05:13] <SeamusLP> djm62:  http://djm62.freeshell.org/ ?
[05:13] <sig> http://ubuntuguide.org/#synchronizingclocktooslow
[05:14] <djm62> d'oh!
[05:14] <djm62> caught
[05:14] <FlyingSquirrel32> grumpysmurf: yeah?
[05:14] <djm62> the site's just for me to practice web stuff
[05:14] <grumpysmurf> but thats single user mode.
[05:14] <grumpysmurf> that doesn't mean that ubuntu doesn't start scripts in each runlevel as it gets to initdefault
[05:14] <sig> FlyingSquirrel32: don't do what djm62 said
[05:14] <SeamusLP> djm62:  That's what I use mine for.  I made a php version of pokey the penguin.
[05:14] <SeamusLP> djm62: http://seams.freeshell.org/pokey
[05:14] <sig> follow this link for the correct way:  http://ubuntuguide.org/#synchronizingclocktooslow
[05:15] <SeamusLP> djm62: http://seamus.freeshell.org/pokey I mean
[05:15] <mishof> In GRUB: how can i specify the system.map file ? (in lilo its map=/boot/System.map)
[05:16] <jnk> mishof, what's the system.map file ?
[05:16] <SeamusLP> djm62:  Just for a comparison the original is here, http://www.yellow5.com/pokey
[05:16] <grumpysmurf> it automagically uses System.map-`uname -r` apparently...
[05:16] <grumpysmurf> i don't have a specific entry for System.map in my /boot/grub/menu.lst
[05:16] <mishof> jnk, its System.map-2.6.10-special
[05:17] <jnk> mishof, I mean, what's its purpose (just curious)
[05:17] <djm62> SeamusLP: I take it it's seamus.f.o ?
[05:17] <mishof> jnk, ah i dont know :| im following a tutorial that teaches compiling a new kernel :\
[05:17] <SeamusLP> djm62:  yeah
[05:18] <jnk> mishof, maybe it's not relevant in grub? (just a lilo specific?)
[05:18] <mishof> grumpysmurf, ok thanks
[05:18] <grumpysmurf> mishof specifically, i have never had to configure 'System.map' in a grub configuration
[05:19] <djm62> SeamusLP: smart...php is something for me to add
[05:19] <grumpysmurf> php is good for you.
[05:19] <mishof> grumpysmurf, so i just need it to match the name of the kernel ? ok
[05:20] <mishof> whatsup with this pokey ? hes funneh 8-)
[05:20] <FlyingSquirrel32> sig: Awsome thanks.
[05:20] <djm62> weird cartoon...like uk children's TV that's been bought from the Finns
[05:20] <hksdu> hi, what's the shortcut key for switching workspace in ubuntu?
[05:20] <jnk> mishof, you just need correct "kernel" and "initrd" lines
[05:20] <jnk> (and root of course)
[05:20] <SeamusLP> djm62:  You got that right.  There are exactly two php pages on that pokey mirror, the rest is approximately 3000 images
[05:21] <hksdu> is it CTRL + Fx?
[05:21] <blue_dolphin> any idea on how to get rid of this error make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.10/build: No such file or directory.  Stop.
[05:21] <jnk> hksdu, Ctrl+Alt+ Left or Right arrow (that's what I use)
[05:21] <hksdu> ic...thanks.
[05:22] <hksdu> o....do you know what program that I can show my system resource on desktop?
[05:22] <jnk> hksdu, gdekslets
[05:22] <jnk> gdesklets
[05:22] <hksdu> jnk: but I can't find it in synaptic...
[05:23] <hksdu> jnk: what category is that? cuz when I search it results nothing
[05:23] <SeamusLP> djm62:  Yeah, the comic has been around since 1996.  It's obvious that it wasn't written by a child, just a really insane adult.
[05:23] <jnk> hksdu, you must enable universe
[05:23] <aldug> what are the alternatives to dselect in ubunutu?
[05:23] <jnk> synaptic
[05:23] <SeamusLP> djm62:  The guys last name is Havelka or something.  Is that Finnish?
[05:23] <jnk> aldug, and gnome-apt
[05:23] <hksdu> ic
[05:23] <aldug> jnk: which one is better?
[05:23] <djm62> could be...northern europe is kind of blurred to me
[05:24] <hksdu> ic...let me try
[05:24] <Valentin-> hey, how do I uninstall packages?
[05:24] <a2t3> SeamusLP: czech IMHO
[05:24] <jnk> hksdu, you go to Settings, then Repositories. Do you see an option for universe or something?
[05:24] <darkaudit> gdesklets is great... gdesklets-data is badly obsolete... :(
[05:24] <jnk> Valentin-, use synaptic :)
[05:25] <Valentin-> jnk, okay
[05:25] <jnk> aldug, gnome-apt is simpler IIRC, synaptic is default so probably more supported
[05:25] <mdke> still on the question of ftp and ssl, does anyone know what the best solution is? install ftp-ssl and bite the bullet on removing ubuntu-base?
[05:26] <Valentin-> jnk, is there away to this via terminal?
[05:26] <jnk> Valentin-, or if you lilke command-line: sudo aptitude remove name_of_the_program
[05:26] <stanton> noob here. trying to install mplayer via synaptic but getting backports not available message. are the servers down?
[05:26] <jnk> you can also do a purge instead of remove to get rid of the config files
[05:26] <hksdu> jnk: you mean add?
[05:26] <jnk> stanton, do you have merillat's repositories ?
[05:27] <stanton> jnk: yes
[05:27] <jnk> hksdu, about ?
[05:27] <jnk> the repositories?
[05:27] <hksdu> jnk: o....do I enable the multiUniverse also?
[05:28] <jnk> if you want.. I think it only makes sense if you enable non-free too (not sure)
[05:28] <stanton> jnk: seems there are dependencies for mplayer only available in backports, unless I am mistaken.
[05:29] <hksdu> jnk: after I mark for installation, how do I install?
[05:29] <frank__> hksdu, apply
[05:30] <hksdu> frank__, thx
[05:30] <Valentin-> jnk, is it possible to remove complete categories like games for example?
[05:31] <jnk> stanton, I think you can install mplayer (for example mplayer-586) using only universe/multiverse (maybe non-free). You need non-hoary packages for windows codecs and such only
[05:31] <stanton> jnk: thank you
[05:32] <jnk> Valentin-, I don't know any option for that. But if there's none you can certainly make a simple script to do it...
[05:33] <hendershot> has anyone built all the libs for e17 succesfully? I stop at engrave the last one with an error
[05:33] <hendershot> the #E channel thinks it is a bison error
[05:33] <hendershot> and I cannot figure it? i thought i would ask someone here?
[05:35] <] BreliC[> FlyingSquirrel32, interesting article.  All points I agree with... I was just playing devil's advocate earlier.  It has happened time and time again that something I thought was almost perfect became too popular for its own good and was diluted to the lowest common denominator... it's just not soemthing i would wish upon linux
[05:36] <jnk> hksdu, actually it seems there's no nonfree in hoary :)
[05:36] <djm62> ] BreliC[: it's a matter of choice...there'll always be a lowest common denominator, but hopefully you'll never have to use it
[05:36] <] BreliC[> djm62, i hope you're right.
[05:37] <sig> try #bison
[05:38] <djm62> ] BreliC[: I kind of see "linux world domination" as making sure nobody /has/ to pay for software, rather than the elimination of corporate computing...to that extent it's pretty much succeeded
[05:38] <] BreliC[> djm62, as a marxist, i just feel the world has to change too much before most people can make sense out of it, removed from both the alienated form and the truth in alienated form
[05:38] <Valentin-> does the server version of the ubuntu install have any desktop system installed?
[05:38] <SeamusLP> ] BreliC[:  Linux is already being diluted in such a manner.  Ever heard of Lindows/Linspire?
[05:39] <SeamusLP> It doesn't make linux any less valid because there are choices
[05:39] <] BreliC[> djm62, yes, that is a valiant effort and a worthy one, but what about software patents?  commercial interests are simply using legal tools to crush others
[05:39] <hksdu> jnk: hehehe...hey, how to run the desklet thing? I run, it shows me a list but how do I add one of them to desktop?
[05:39] <Choubaka> "nobody has to pay for software" wtf?
[05:39] <djm62> ] BreliC[: is that not more nihilist than marxist...as an ex-marxist I think we need to drop ideology and focus on what works...political engineering rather than political philosophy
[05:39] <Choubaka> of course you'll have to pay for software.
[05:39] <dataw0lf|w> hksdu: gdesklets?
[05:39] <Choubaka> all software can't be free.
[05:39] <] BreliC[> SeamusLP, yup.  How can you charge for C'n'R when it's using apt-get to get free software from repositories?
[05:39] <djm62> Choubaka: yeah, but not everyone has to use paid-for software
[05:40] <dataw0lf|w> hksdu: start up gdesklets, and then run the specific gdesklet you want with 'gdesklet <whatever>'
[05:40] <Choubaka> yeah, sure.
[05:40] <SeamusLP> ] BreliC[:  Precisely.  I mean Michael Robertson is a nice guy, but he's running a business...
[05:40] <jnk> hksdu, sorry I don't remember... look in /usr/share/doc/gdesklets for documentation (README.Debian for example) and http://gdesklets.gnomedesktop.org/
[05:40] <hksdu> jnk: thx
[05:40] <SeamusLP> ] Brelic[:  Also linspire laptops / desktops are being sold at wal-mart
[05:40] <hksdu> dataw0lf, do I need to run in console?
[05:41] <] BreliC[> djm62, hmm, no, it is not nihilist.  it's absolutely marxist.  and marx would not be fond of political engineering.. though I understand what you're saying
[05:41] <dataw0lf|w> hksdu: not necessarily, you can click on it and select 'run with' or something.
[05:41] <dataw0lf|w> I don't really ever use a gui, so I don't know exactly what it's called.
[05:41] <hksdu> dataw0lf, thank you...let me try
[05:41] <jnk> hksdu, but I think you have a menu item for starting gdesklets
[05:41] <jnk> look for it...
[05:42] <djm62> ] BreliC[: there's a difference which is rarely drawn in politics between what one tries to do and how one tries to do it....the socialists are hopeless on the second, but the solution is not to elect a better proletariat ;)
[05:42] <darkaudit> hksdu: you have a little jigsaw icon in the taskbar?
[05:42] <hksdu> ya, I highlighted one of them and when it runs, it gives me an icon to drag and drop on the desktop, but after I place it, it doesn't show me anything though
[05:43] <] BreliC[> djm62, heh, exactly, which just amounts to the truth in alienated form... no different from alienated form, except it is rule of the proletariat instead of the bourgeoisie
[05:43] <gaio> anyone use ssl and gFTP ?
[05:43] <] BreliC[> djm62, so as an ex-marxist, where have you drifted?
[05:43] <] BreliC[> sorry, last off topic question
[05:44] <darkaudit> hksdu: you need to right click on the desklet to configure it... also open the shell with 'Manage desklets', then go to the gdesklets home page... get some SideCandy desklets... you can drag-n-drop the tar.gz file right into the gdesklets shell
[05:45] <fsapo> morning :)
[05:45] <gaio> none :(
[05:45] <hksdu> ic
[05:45] <viry> hi i'm currently trying to install from a .install script by using sudo & i keep on getting command not found
[05:46] <djm62> ] BreliC[: not really a #ubuntu thread
[05:46] <fsapo> i m witha cdrom stuck in the drive.. nothing is using it but it still says "device is busy" anybody knows how can i take it out? or how can i find out wth is using it? thanx
[05:46] <darkaudit> hksdu: the psi desklets in gdesklets-data looked nice... when they worked... the latest ver of gdesklets proper obsoleted them :(
[05:46] <darkaudit> fsapo: sudo eject
[05:46] <bassMonkey> viry: you need to put a ./ infront...
[05:46] <hksdu> darkaudit, what's psi?
[05:47] <viry> i am bassMonkey  this is the command i'm using sudo ./install.sh
[05:47] <darkaudit> hksdu: there were a bunch of desklets written by a guy known as psi... he hasn't been heard from in a while...
[05:47] <hksdu> darkaudit, ic
[05:48] <FlyingSquirrel32> ] BreliC[: Just saw your response. Amen to all you said.
[05:48] <blue_dolphin> viry: sudo sh ./install.sh
[05:48] <karljp> how come after I apt-get install acroread, I can't run acroread.
[05:48] <karljp> it says, /usr/bin/acroread: line 12: /usr/lib/Acrobat5/bin/acroread: No such file or directory
[05:48] <viry> thanks blue_dolphin i'll give it a try
[05:48] <TalonAM> i have a large problem .. i can get ubuntu to run on the box i'm settting up but i can't get the serial mouse to move
[05:49] <TalonAM> i'm new to ubuntu and linux in general, anyone have any ideas on what to look for ?
[05:50] <mishof> I've compiled a new kernel, but once i try loading it up i get kernel panic, after it says /lib/modules/2.6.10/modules.dep doesnt exist (it does!) what can  i do?
[05:51] <hksdu> darkaudit, wow...it works!!!!  thank you very much!!!
[05:51] <darkaudit> hksdu: yw :)
[05:51] <SWAT_> hih all
[05:53] <SWAT_> I'm thinking about using Ubuntu64. Since I'm a student (mplayer/mp3/OoO) and a gamer (cedega) I'm wondering if this is a smart choice...
[05:53] <grumpysmurf> SWAT_ do you need flash?
[05:53] <SWAT_> yes
[05:53] <SWAT_> in FF
[05:53] <gaio> anyone use ssl and gFTP ?
[05:53] <grumpysmurf> do you need a 64 bit web browser?
[05:54] <SWAT_> grumpysmurf, not if a 32bit would wokr
[05:54] <grumpysmurf> SWAT thats what i hear.
[05:54] <grumpysmurf> there's a doc on the ubuntu site that tells how to install 32 bit firefox and flash.
[05:54] <SWAT_> nice
[05:55] <SWAT_> but how about other progs?
[05:55] <grumpysmurf> there's no flash for 64 bit linux yet.. and since its a library that firefox uses, it has to be 32 bit, etc.
[05:55] <SWAT_> I read something about a 32bit chroot (for running 32 on 64bit)
[05:55] <grumpysmurf> SWAT_ i haven't had any issues with anything else.  though i haven't tried cedega/wine, or anything much really yet.
[05:55] <karljp> anyone know how to get acroread to work?
[05:55] <karljp> or something else I should use instead?
[05:55] <grumpysmurf> xpdf works for me.
[05:55] <dataw0lf|w> xpdf
[05:56] <grumpysmurf> mainly because i hate acroread.
[05:56] <dataw0lf|w> and it hates you.
[05:56] <grumpysmurf> :)
[05:56] <dataw0lf|w> ;)
[05:56] <grumpysmurf> 7 is faster on windows at least.
[05:57] <SWAT_> grumpysmurf, what progs do you use? (OoO, FTP, mail (Thunderbird?), newsserver) And do you use the chroot? (and how well does it work?)
[05:57] <dataw0lf|w> I wouldn't know.  The only time I ever use a Windows machine at all is at work, and I barely use the KVM switch to go to my work windows box unless I need to test an app or something.
[05:58] <karljp> ok, anyone know why javax.sound.sampled.LineUnavailableException: Audio Device Unavailable
[05:58] <karljp>  happens?
[05:58] <RodeoBlork> hello
[05:58] <karljp> my java apps can't play sound
[05:58] <grumpysmurf> lets see... I use  Firefox, Thunderbird, Totem, Rhythmbox so far.
[05:58] <RodeoBlork> crimsun: hello
[05:58] <grumpysmurf> karljp probably because the java isn't using the ESD sound daemon.
[05:59] <lambic> hi, I'm planning on installing ubuntu on an un-connected pc at the weekend, how much does the installation process rely on the internet?
[05:59] <karljp> any ideas on how to change that?
[05:59] <grumpysmurf> desktop and/or kernel people need to sort out all this alsa, esd, oss sound business if they think Linux is going to be ready for the generic desktop user.
[05:59] <karljp> they do indeed :)
[05:59] <karljp> but at least I cna play music out of the box
[05:59] <karljp> that never used to work.
[05:59] <grumpysmurf> lambic the installation tries to update via apt after the system boots the first time
[05:59] <dr_willis> seems like alsa is slowly winning that contest
[05:59] <grumpysmurf> karljp thats a good thing.
[06:00] <grumpysmurf> dr_willis if they make it consistent and it works, then that'd be a good start.
[06:00] <dr_willis> ive had little problems with sound at all in the last 2+ years.
[06:00] <blueyed> lambic, it will work (I had to run pppoeconf manually after the install to get connected)
[06:00] <karljp> it's soooo much further along than it was,
[06:00] <dr_willis> I do tend to buy actual creative cards however.
[06:00] <RodeoBlork> crimsun: I read a post in which someone mentions you for having solved his headset issue
[06:00] <grumpysmurf> karljp i don't know much about java, so i don't know how to tell it to use ESD.
[06:00] <lambic> great, thanks
[06:00] <dr_willis> actually dosent 'esd'  use alsa?
[06:01] <SWAT_> grumpysmurf, from a scale of 1 to 10. * How satisfied are you with your Ubuntu64? ** How much of you is power user? ;-)
[06:02] <RodeoBlork> dr_willis: how do I run Skype directly with ALSA or OSS emulation ?
[06:02] <RodeoBlork> dr_willis: and not with artsd
[06:03] <dr_willis> RodeoBlork,  intereesting question. no clue however. I cant recall ever running skype.
[06:03] <grumpysmurf> SWAT_ i don't know if i'm a power user... i support linux professionally and have used it in my spare time for 10 years... ;) I'm quite pleased with Ubuntu64, minus the flash inconvenience.
[06:03] <RodeoBlork> Does anyone know how to set an audio usb headset in linux ?
[06:03] <RodeoBlork> dr_willis: arf
[06:03] <dr_willis> RodeoBlork,  usb headset - would be an interesting thing also. :P ive had minimal luck with them under Windows even.
[06:04] <dr_willis> they work good on my PS2 however.
[06:04] <RodeoBlork> dr_willis: lol
[06:04] <Valentin-> hey, is it possible to install just a base system of ubuntu without any addins
[06:04] <dr_willis> I rember years ago when 'usb speakers' were to be the next big thing... it never happened.
[06:04] <RodeoBlork> dr_willis: under windows, it comes packaged with a driver yet
[06:05] <Valentin-> just the desktop system
[06:05] <dr_willis> RodeoBlork,  i was useing the one from SOCOM  -  i cant rember how i got it working under windows.
[06:05] <dr_willis> Valentin-,  install the 'server' option - then install just what you want I guess.
[06:07] <dr_willis> RodeoBlork,  hmmm - doing some quick googling --> http://kennethhunt.com/archives/001195.html
[06:07] <karljp> is java1.5 much faster than 1.4?
[06:07] <karljp> running this .jar file is a pig on ubuntu, but works quite acceptably fast on windows
[06:07] <holycow> karljp, that has been what i read yes
[06:07] <dr_willis> RodeoBlork,  not much said at the site however. :P
[06:08] <SQL_Sam> hey all, i dont think i have swat available can someone help?  I went into synaptic and couldnt find any package named swat
[06:08] <holycow> they did some kind of audit for 1.5 and found that each even spawned hundreds of micro events
[06:08] <holycow> so the net result is that java isn't slow, it was their virtual machine implementation being buggy
[06:08] <dr_willis> SQL_Sam,  you dont have all the repositiories added I think. I see it with 'apt-cache search'
[06:09] <dr_willis> SQL_Sam,  i am useing the etc/apt/sources.list  from 'ubuntuguide.org
[06:09] <dr_willis> swat - Samba Web Administration Tool
[06:09] <dr_willis> you could also use 'webmin' to admin your samba shares . its nicer in some ways then swat
[06:10] <grumpysmurf> i admin my samba server with ssh and vi.
[06:10] <grumpysmurf> :D
[06:10] <SQL_Sam> i get the following...
[06:10] <SQL_Sam> matt@ubuntu:~$ sudo apt-cache show swat
[06:10] <SQL_Sam> W: Unable to locate package swat
[06:10] <SQL_Sam> E: No packages found
[06:10] <SQL_Sam> matt@ubuntu:~$ sudo apt-cache search swat
[06:10] <SQL_Sam> Password:
[06:10] <SQL_Sam> samba - a LanManager-like file and printer server for Unix
[06:10] <SQL_Sam> matt@ubuntu:~$ sudo apt-cache show swat
[06:10] <SQL_Sam> W: Unable to locate package swat
[06:10] <SQL_Sam> E: No packages found
[06:10] <karljp> holycow, so I'm being a bit dense today, but do you m ean 1.5 is meant to be much faster than 1.4?
[06:10] <karljp> or that 1.5 is still slow?
[06:10] <AirWays> Ammmm... when I am installing Ubuntu, it says something as: "No network found" or something like that... But there is Network card in my computer, and it is connected to ADSL router... whats wrong?
[06:10] <dr_willis> SQL_Sam,  i am useing the etc/apt/sources.list  from 'ubuntuguide.org     --   what sources list are you uyseing.
[06:10] <SQL_Sam> the reason i wanted swat is that i was having trouble getting it started
[06:10] <AirWays> That works that network card
[06:10] <holycow> 1.5 is fast, 1.4 slow, at least thats what i've read
[06:11] <dr_willis> trouble getting samba started?
[06:11] <karljp> cool
[06:11] <karljp> I'll have to fiddle with getting 1.5 installed
[06:11] <karljp> seems to be a bit of a fiddle on hoary, so I may just put it off for a week or two and let someone else work out packages for me while I wait
[06:11] <karljp> don't suppose you know how to tell java what sound device to use?
[06:12] <MachineScrew> how long has any one waited for the Ubuntu cd to come
[06:12] <SQL_Sam> waiting over a week
[06:12] <RodeoBlork> dr_willis: sounds interesting as it reviews the same model i got
[06:12] <holycow> MachineScrew, about 10 minutes to download via torrent
[06:12] <holycow> >_>
[06:13] <SQL_Sam> i ended up downloading if off the web
[06:13] <ctqucl> who want to learning chinese?welcome to #ubuntu-zh
[06:13] <SQL_Sam> after 10 times it finally worked
[06:13] <djm62> 10 years...is that pre-1.0?
[06:13] <karljp> 10 minutes from torrent?
[06:13] <RodeoBlork> crimsun: are you online ?
[06:13] <karljp> jesus, what's your downstream?
[06:13] <dr_willis> RodeoBlork,  yea. I need a new headset for work. I like the Noise Cancleation featuress of my old ones. :P (not usb however)
[06:13] <MachineScrew> Ok i am stuck with a CD burrner that can't write to any media rated higher than 16x and for some reson CD-RWs don't work
[06:13] <holycow> ctqucl, don't you mean #ubuntu-ch?
[06:14] <djm62> does he?
[06:14] <ctqucl> zh
[06:14] <holycow> weird
[06:14] <MachineScrew> so how long shiping has any one had to wait
[06:14] <ctqucl> ubuntu-zh   zhong guo
[06:14] <RodeoBlork> dr_willis: hum. I believe the model I bought features it
[06:14] <djm62> latin transliteration of chinese for china
[06:14] <holycow> ah! ;) maybe i need to learn chinese :)
[06:14] <ctqucl> if you want
[06:14] <dr_willis> RodeoBlork,  or course I just use mine to listen to the dvd player at work.
[06:14] <RodeoBlork> dr_willis: i never tried a headset before
[06:15] <RodeoBlork> dr_willis: its usefull in winter :-)
[06:15] <IIIEars> How do i install DeCSS2?
[06:15] <RodeoBlork> dr_willis: i imagine
[06:16] <ctqucl> bye
[06:17] <MachineScrew> so has any one had to wait
[06:17] <MachineScrew> for the cds to be shiped
[06:17] <SQL_Sam> okay who can help mewith my samba stuff....  i get the following error when running testparm and i figure i just need to update my smb.conf file......
[06:17] <SQL_Sam> matt@ubuntu:~$ sudo testparm /etc/samba/smb.conf
[06:17] <SQL_Sam> Load smb config files from /etc/samba/smb.conf
[06:17] <SQL_Sam> Processing section "[homes] "
[06:17] <SQL_Sam> Processing section "[printers] "
[06:17] <SQL_Sam> Processing section "[print$] "
[06:18] <SQL_Sam> params.c:Section() - Empty section name in configuration file.
[06:18] <SQL_Sam> params.c:pm_process() - Failed.  Error returned from params.c:parse().
[06:19] <karljp> darkaudit: dvd quality
[06:20] <karljp> there really is a difference between the 50 for $1 on a spindle and some of the branded ones.
[06:20] <simrac> hello all, does somebody use Gnotify?
[06:20] <SQL_Sam> what does everyone think of not having a root account?
[06:20] <dr_willis> comment out/edit/delete that emtoy section I am guessing.
[06:20] <dr_willis> there is a root account. :P
[06:20] <dr_willis> its just sort-of-locked-down a little.
[06:20] <dataw0lf|w> SQL_Sam: post your smb.conf in pastebin or something.
[06:20] <SQL_Sam> yah i see what your saying, but I think it's easier
[06:20] <dataw0lf|w> (or priv it to me)
[06:21] <SQL_Sam> to mess with isnt it
[06:21] <dr_willis> i dont find it any easier :P more secure yes.. but then again - i disable that 'feature' anyway. so it works the same as all the other distros i am used to
[06:22] <SQL_Sam> but any user can just use there password to get su rights - right?
[06:22] <grumpysmurf> correct.
[06:23] <hksdu> hi, I have a 4 button mouse, how do I configure my thumb button for firefox to "go back"?
[06:23] <grumpysmurf> hksdu there's a howto for that on ubuntuforums.org
[06:23] <grumpysmurf> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=28374
[06:24] <SQL_Sam> im in vi with my smb.conf file how do i cut and paste - lol yes i'm a noob
[06:24] <hksdu> grumpysmurf, thanks
[06:26] <karljp> (you don't need to install imwheel)
[06:26] <thorN> Is there any reason why a LiveCD would ask for a username/password?
[06:26] <xerxes1358> Hello
[06:26] <thorN> My friend's Hoary LiveCD (downloaded today) is apparently acting strange
[06:26] <karljp> (just the ->explorerPS2, zaxismapping, and xmodmap all work.
[06:27] <xerxes1358> Does ubuntu uses debian's real apt repositery or only the apt technology ? (e.g. apt4rpm)
[06:27] <flodine> anyone know how to unlock k3b for burning
[06:27] <dr_willis> floater,  k3b is just a front end to the console based burning tools I beluve
[06:27] <mainer> thorN:yes,don't woryy,its normal
[06:27] <jnk> yeah
[06:27] <dr_willis> oops flodine
[06:27] <dr_willis> :P
[06:27] <flodine> what do i do
[06:28] <admx> So far so good.... Really starting to like Ubuntu better then Suse & Fedora
[06:28] <grumpysmurf> xerxes1358 you can use debian repositories
[06:28] <dr_willis> flodine,  not idea. :P not sure what you are doing.
[06:28] <dr_willis> admx,  i likeit better then those also.
[06:28] <flodine> it wont let me burn
[06:28] <k-otik> does anybody know how to change the default directory in vsftp?
[06:28] <flodine> says cd locked
[06:28] <jnk> xerxes1358, ubuntu uses a modified version of debian repositories
[06:28] <xerxes1358> grumpysmurf, I can or does ubuntu use that by default
[06:28] <dr_willis> flodine,  it may be saying the cd drive is mounted/locked.
[06:28] <grumpysmurf> xerxes1358 "You can"
[06:28] <xerxes1358> jnk, how large and up to date is this repositery ?
[06:29] <xerxes1358> grumpysmurf, is this hard ? why ubuntu uses its own repositery if I may ask
[06:29] <jnk> xerxes1358, the stable ubuntu release (every six months) takes debian unstable (sid), plus some other repositories (such as Marillat). So it's both up to date and very huge
[06:29] <xerxes1358> forgive my ignorance I am new to ubuntu (gentoo user)
[06:29] <jnk> xerxes1358, (that is, if you enable the "universe" repository)
[06:29] <admx> Still having a little trouble with Airsnort
[06:30] <grumpysmurf> wow... i've noticed a number of gentoo users switching to Ubuntu, or at least becoming interestd in it... why is that?
[06:30] <jnk> xerxes1358, (something like 10'000+ packages)
[06:30] <k-otik> does anyone here use vsftpd?
[06:30] <dr_willis> grumpysmurf,  they just like to change disrtos a lot? :P
[06:31] <xerxes1358> jnk that sounds really good
[06:31] <jnk> it is
[06:31] <xerxes1358> jnk too good to be true maybe ? lol
[06:31] <SeamusLP> xerxes1358:  Ubuntu has three repositories, main restricted universe and mltiverse.  Add all of those to your sources.list or in synaptic if you want a large collection of packages.
[06:31] <jnk> xerxes1358, lol
[06:31] <SeamusLP> grumpysmurf:  I was a gentoo user
[06:31] <sad> hi all, how to change my screen resolution in ubuntu?
[06:31] <jnk> gnome-display-properties (accessible trhough menus)
[06:31] <dr_willis> ubuntuguide.org - has details on adding repositiories.. and MUCH more.. its a site well worth reading/bookmarking.
[06:32] <xerxes1358> I love gentoo. Except the compile times drive me nuts
[06:32] <dr_willis> xerxes1358,  thats what a bank of machines running distcc is good for. :P
[06:32] <sobersabre> hi guys. if anybody wonders what was wrong with my evolution ( not seeing messages ).
[06:32] <xerxes1358> SeamusLP, will they work seamlessly together though ?
[06:32] <SeamusLP> grumpysmurf:  Gentoo is nice, but there are very few binary packages.
[06:33] <sobersabre> the prob was with mutt. i also used mutt on that imap server, and it wiped all messages from my mailbox in /var/mail
[06:33] <Valentin-> dr_willis how is the package called for the base system?
[06:33] <sobersabre> so each time i opened mutt, evolution stopped showing the messages.
[06:33] <xerxes1358> how does ubuntu's rc work ? is it like gentoo's maybe ? (since gentoo's was inspired by Debian and FreeBSD)
[06:33] <Amaranth> rc?
[06:33] <sobersabre> Valentin-, ubuntu-base
[06:33] <sobersabre> ?
[06:33] <sobersabre> xerxes1358, all infra-structure of ubuntu is Debian
[06:34] <SeamusLP> xerxes1358:  Yeah.  In your repositories under synaptic just add universe and multiverse after main restricted
[06:34] <SQL_Sam> i've used hat hat (was 4 years ago) i really like ubuntu so far as i'm a noob - seems pretty sweet
[06:34] <sobersabre> SQL_Sam, 4 years and you're still newbie  ?
[06:35] <SQL_Sam> lol - i mean 'used it 4 years ago'
[06:35] <karljp> just because you use something a long time ago doesn't mean yo've used it in between :)
[06:35] <SQL_Sam> for a few months
[06:35] <grumpysmurf> sobersabre i've been using linux for 10 years and i'm still a newbie.
[06:35] <karljp> yeah, what grumpy said
[06:35] <dataw0lf|w> I've been using Linux for 7 years and I'm not a newbie
[06:35] <grumpysmurf> though most of my linux use over the last 6 years has been on servers, not desktops, so my newbieness is in desktop use.
[06:35] <SQL_Sam> think i was version 6 or something in red hat
[06:36] <dataw0lf|w> have you changed that directive I told you to, SQL_Sam?
[06:36] <SQL_Sam> tried installing fedora 3 core
[06:36] <sobersabre> grumpysmurf, i don't consider myself a newbie... though i do have sometimes lazy questions. i'm on linux since 98... how much is this... 7 years ?
[06:36] <Prof_Frink> I've been using Linux for about 4 days. I _really_ am a newbie
[06:36] <grumpysmurf> sobersabre roughly
[06:36] <grumpysmurf> Prof_Frink :D
[06:36] <Valentin-> sobersabre: and ubuntu-desktop is bundle with openoffice and things like that?
[06:36] <dataw0lf|w> I've been using Linux as my primary desktop since 98.
[06:36] <dr_willis> it pays to read and read and read. :P
[06:36] <dataw0lf|w> Server stuff on and off (love hate relationship between Unix and Linux) since 97.
[06:37] <grumpysmurf> windows is still my primary desktop.  i don't have time to make it play games. ><
[06:37] <dataw0lf|w> eh, I don't play games.
[06:37] <xerxes1358> are there also pictures of Kubuntu ?
[06:37] <admx> I have been using Linux for about 7 years also dataw0lf, watch it keep getting better and better.
[06:37] <Prof_Frink> Actually, that's not true, I had played with Knoppix a bit before that
[06:37] <dr_willis> xerxes1358,  its kde. :P so look at kde.org
[06:37] <grumpysmurf> dataw0lf|w i hate solaris :)
[06:37] <dataw0lf|w> I hate Tru64.
[06:37] <dataw0lf|w> Solaris is a walk on the beach comparatively.
[06:37] <sobersabre> Valentin-, ubuntu-desktop is everything ubuntu guys thought of should be in the desktop. it is gnome-based, oo/oo2 + some utils.
[06:37] <grumpysmurf> lol true
[06:37] <Fackamato> something wrong with the repositories servers?
[06:37] <Fackamato> my update stops
[06:37] <Fackamato>  http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/main Packages [490kB] 
[06:38] <Fackamato> 7% [5 Packages 1156/490kB 0%] 
[06:38] <dataw0lf|w> I like BSD for home server stuff, or Debian.
[06:38] <dataw0lf|w> and here at work I have a couple Debian servers, and a couple RH servers.
[06:38] <sobersabre> dataw0lf, Tru64 is hp's unix ?
[06:38] <dataw0lf|w> but mostly Unix.
[06:38] <xerxes1358> dr_willis, I mean ubuntu has very good itegration with gnome like you see on this website: http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=305&slide=99 Does Kubuntu has that too ?
[06:38] <dataw0lf|w> sobersabre: HP/Compaq
[06:38] <dr_willis> Fackamato,  they are working for me.
[06:38] <admx> Does anyone know when OOo 2.0 will be released
[06:38] <sobersabre> dataw0lf, is it POSIX compliant ?
[06:38] <dr_willis> xerxes1358,  its very well done also. :P useing it now.
[06:38] <dataw0lf|w> sobersabre: Indeed.
[06:38] <holycow> admx, june/july at last estimate, they don't have enough people working on it
[06:39] <dataw0lf|w> sobersabre: It's mainly used for enterprise storage, AdvFS == great for that.
[06:39] <admx> thanks
[06:39] <grumpysmurf> http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=306&slide=29&title=kubuntu+5.04+final+screenshots ?
[06:39] <sobersabre> dataw0lf, isn't emc^2 good enough ?
[06:39] <dataw0lf|w> heh.
[06:40] <grumpysmurf> xerxes1358 see the link i pasted for some kubuntuuuuu ;)
[06:40] <Fackamato> dr_willis: allright, my ISP then
[06:40] <sobersabre> dataw0lf, i also don't understand... why would i invest money in os for storage, when i have a storage without giving a f*** about which os it runs ?
[06:40] <xerxes1358> http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=306&slide=3
[06:40] <xerxes1358> grumpysmurf, ah yes thanks :)
[06:40] <sobersabre> good morning, RexM
[06:41] <grumpysmurf> :)
[06:41] <RexM> good morning :)
[06:41] <RexM> it's only 11:45 AM :)
[06:41] <sobersabre> admx, why won't you check on openoffice.org...
[06:41] <xerxes1358> grumpysmurf, nice icons in kde :)
[06:41] <RexM> i made it up before the great PM switch
[06:43] <sobersabre> grumpysmurf, how do you prepare screenshot of debinst ?
[06:43] <admx> Just was reading about it in Linux Format Mag, Looked at the beta.
[06:43] <sobersabre> with LCD + digital camera ?
[06:44] <karljp> or a crt and actual camera skills :)
[06:44] <karljp> you know how sudo asks for a password, then if you do something again in that shelll, it doesn;t, does this have a timeout?
[06:45] <xerxes1358> grumpysmurf, I dont see the update manager like in Ubuntu. Is there in KDE too ?
[06:45] <sobersabre> karljp, imho it is tunable.anyway: look in pam.d + man sudoers
[06:46] <bad_mongo> ahh.. kubuntu doesn't reach ubuntu to their knees..
[06:46] <karljp> I don't really care, I'm single user, I was just curious
[06:46] <XplOzIon> hi all
[06:46] <ampersand> hi
[06:47] <XplOzIon> i still cant extrack my rar files =(
[06:47] <IIIEars> timeout = 15mins - ubuntu wiki
[06:47] <bad_mongo> XplOzIon, have you installed unrar?
[06:47] <SQL_Sam> omg i hate vi....
[06:47] <fsapo> hi all.. is there a way to know wich process is acessing the cdrom drive? i have a cd stuck and it cant umount... i ve already closed the X and nothing changes...
[06:47] <karljp> you know, wikis' are great, but finding stuff in them can suck so hard
[06:47] <XplOzIon> bad_mongo, i have rar installed via apt-get install rar
[06:48] <karljp> and the ubuntu wiki is a particularly bad example unfortunately
[06:48] <karljp> whoah, java1.5 is much faster than 1.4
[06:48] <XplOzIon> bad_mongo, sudo rar -e filename.rar shoul work to extrack right?
[06:49] <xerxes1358> karljp, yeah it is . You didnt know ? :)
[06:49] <karljp> well, holycow told me
[06:49] <karljp> but I wasn't sure just how much better it would be.
[06:49] <j^3> Can anyone point me to instructions on adding things to the menu in Ubuntu?
[06:49] <bad_mongo> XplOzIon, what happens if you double klick on the file?
[06:49] <SeamusLP> karljp:  Got any benchmarks?
[06:49] <xerxes1358> karljp, yeah. I use it for all the apps I develop
[06:49] <karljp> benchmarks? god know, just anecdotally, I have a single java app that I use.
[06:50] <motoboi> j^3, ubuntuguide.org
[06:50] <karljp> and I just dpkg -P'd 1.4 anyway
[06:50] <xerxes1358> SeamusLP, try Eclipse in 1.4.2 and 1.5 You will notice :)
[06:50] <j^3> motoboi: thanks, I'll check it
[06:51] <dantheman> i was using eclipse in java 1.4.2 until a couple weeks ago...i switched to 1.5, and it feels like it flies now
[06:51] <SeamusLP> Hey guys, in related news, gcc 4.0 is out and it's supposed to give C++ a 40% performance boost.  Good for you kde users I suppose ;)
[06:51] <SeamusLP> Also there are some optimizations that are supposed to speed up C as well -- so you may even notice a difference in gnome.
[06:52] <XplOzIon> bad_mongo, just installed unrar and double click works now :)
[06:52] <sobersabre> SeamusLP, this 40% sounds ... too much.
[06:52] <xerxes1358> SeamusLP, why you so mean to us KDE users lol
[06:52] <fsapo> please.. is there a way to know wich process is acessing the cdrom drive? i have a cd stuck and it cant umount... i ve already closed the X and nothing changes...
[06:53] <xerxes1358> SeamusLP, you will only notice real difference when you build GCC4 with GCC4 !
[06:53] <SeamusLP> Err, sorry, the filesize will be 40% smaller
[06:53] <SeamusLP> that should translate into a fairly decent performance increase
[06:53] <SeamusLP> And since kde is written in C++...
[06:53] <xerxes1358> so you build the GCC with 3.x then when you have GCC4 you rebuild GCC4 and then rock on
[06:54] <SQL_Sam> in  vi how do i save and quit!!
[06:54] <sobersabre> SeamusLP, wtf are you talking about...  sorry for roughness.
[06:54] <bad_mongo> XplOzIon, that's good ;)
[06:54] <sobersabre> SeamusLP, what is the connection between file size and the performance ?
[06:54] <SeamusLP> sobersabre:  GCC 4.0 is out.  It has great optimizations for C++.  This translates into a faster KDE.
[06:54] <xerxes1358> SQL_Sam, press escape then press :  then press q! enter
[06:55] <xerxes1358> SQL_Sam, read a vi short guide.
[06:55] <SeamusLP> sobersabre:  Boot times?  KDE does take a little while to boot.
[06:55] <sobersabre> SeamusLP, it is fine.. just don't through such excessive numbers
[06:55] <SQL_Sam> i'm trying
[06:55] <SeamusLP> sobersabre:  I said 40% smaller libraries :P that's not a made-up number
[06:55] <xerxes1358> mostly a bit larger compilations have a bit faster result
[06:56] <sobersabre> SeamusLP Hey guys, in related news, gcc 4.0 is out and it's supposed to give C++ a 40% performance boost.  Good for you kde users I suppose ;)
[06:56] <SeamusLP> sobersabre:  Did I not correct myself?
[06:56] <sobersabre> SeamusLP Err, sorry, the filesize will be 40% smaller
[06:56] <sobersabre> my filesize ? lib filesize ? installer's file size ? gcc's filesize ?
[06:57] <sobersabre> i am pest. i know
[06:57] <SeamusLP> sobersabre:  lib filesize.
[06:57] <SeamusLP> sobersabre:  This should improve startup times :P
[06:58] <sobersabre> SeamusLP, if all the system is built upon this gcc. can it link with older libs ?
[06:58] <sobersabre> about that i will ask the dox, i guess.
[06:58] <SeamusLP> sobersabre:  Supposedly.  I compiled a few programs with GCC4 and had no problems with the old libraries.  But by no means did I test this extensively.
[06:59] <mjr> in related news, is the c++ abi compatible with 3.x?
[06:59] <Essobi> Umm. is apt-get install libncurses5-dev broken for anyone else?
[06:59] <mjr> SeamusLP, C++ programs, spesifically?
[06:59] <RodeoBlork> crimsun: are you back ?
[06:59] <SeamusLP> mjr:  The programs I compiled were in C
[06:59] <xerxes1358> btw how is the firewall setup in ubuntu ? does ubuntu come with pre configured firewall like FC and SUSE for example ?
[06:59] <Essobi> E: Package libncurses5-dev has no installation candidate
[06:59] <sobersabre> SeamusLP, you know what major ver. number change in gcc means to the system ?
[06:59] <mjr> SeamusLP, righto, well, the C ABI is a lot more stable than the C++ one has been
[07:00] <Essobi> I'm wondering if my apt-get cache isn't pissed up..
[07:00] <mishof> I've installed a new kernel (2.6.10) but when it comes up X wont start because it seems the kernel doesnt have Nvidia support. what can i do?
[07:00] <Fackamato> xerxes1358: no, because there is absolutely no need for one. there are no server installed on a default ubuntu installation.
[07:00] <SeamusLP> sobersabre, mjr:  You guys should check out #ubuntu-motu, those guys in there have more experience compiling with GCC4.  They've been doing it for about a month now.
[07:00] <sobersabre> thanks, SeamusLP
[07:01] <xerxes1358> Fackamato, I will run sshd for sure
[07:01] <xerxes1358> Oh well guess I will have to use firestarter then
[07:01] <SeamusLP> sobersabre:  It's a requirement, you know, since breezy will be 100% gcc4 from what I've heard ;)
[07:02] <mishof> hmmm you guys ?
[07:02] <ringmauer> what shall I write in shell insted of space?
[07:02] <ringmauer> instead i mean
[07:03] <ringmauer> please someone?
[07:03] <dantheman> ringmauer: what are you trying to do in the shell?
[07:06] <mishof> I've installed a new kernel (2.6.10) but when it comes up X wont start because it seems the kernel doesnt have Nvidia support. what can i do?
[07:06] <ringmauer> im trying to open  $ nano /home/ringmauer/my docs/phonelist.txt
[07:06] <ringmauer> what should i write instead of space?
[07:06] <mishof> ringmauer, instead of " " use "\ "
[07:06] <Ocid> mishof: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:06] <grumpysmurf> mishof you'll need the nvidia binary driver
[07:06] <ringmauer> so i can write $ nano /home/ringmauer/my/docs/phonelist.txt?
[07:06] <karljp> or use tab completion and it will work for you
[07:07] <dantheman> what i would do is $ cd /home/ringmauer
[07:07] <dantheman> $ cd "my docs"
[07:07] <karljp> no, /home/ringmauer/my\ docs/phonelist
[07:07] <dantheman> and that'll get you there
[07:07] <ringmauer> dantheman: thats smart
[07:07] <Olsen> miscz_, use the 'nv' driver and then install the 'nvidia' driver again?
[07:07] <i3dmaster> anyone knows how to configure the mozilla/firefox UI font?
[07:07] <mishof> ringmauer, /home/rungmaur/my\ docs/....
[07:07] <ringmauer> okay
[07:07] <karljp> or just nano ~/my[tab] 
[07:07] <ringmauer> many answers, thank you sooo much
[07:07] <mishof> yup .. tab is always fun
[07:07] <karljp> or nano "~/my docs/phonelist.txt"
[07:09] <ringmauer> it doesnt work
[07:09] <ringmauer> instead of " " what should i write?
[07:09] <ringmauer> "\ " doesnt work
[07:09] <SQL_Sam> im trying to copy my smb.config file so if i screw it up it will have the original - i get the following....
[07:09] <SQL_Sam> matt@ubuntu:/etc/samba$ cp smb.conf smb.config-copy
[07:09] <SQL_Sam> cp: cannot create regular file `smb.config-copy': Permission denied
[07:10] <grumpysmurf> SQL_Sam use sudo
[07:10] <Ocid> SQL_Sam: sudo cp smb.conf smb.config-copy
[07:10] <SQL_Sam> matt@ubuntu:/etc/samba$ sudo cp smb.config smb.config-copy
[07:10] <SQL_Sam> Password:
[07:10] <SQL_Sam> cp: cannot stat `smb.config': No such file or directory
[07:10] <grumpysmurf> smb.conf ?
[07:12] <SQL_Sam> my samba config file
[07:13] <jintxo> SQL_Sam, what I think he meant is that the file is smb.conf, not smb.config :-)
[07:13] <Sabator> I require assistance
[07:13] <grumpysmurf> yeah
[07:13] <Sabator> I was trying to install a .flac plugin to xmms
[07:13] <SQL_Sam> sorry your are correct
[07:13] <grumpysmurf> sorry i'm being terse.
[07:13] <Sabator> and I think I failed
[07:13] <crimsun> Sabator: apt-get install xmms-flac
[07:13] <Sabator> and now whenever Ubuntu makes a sound it sounds really shitty and fuzzy
[07:14] <Sabator> like the gaim sounds etc
[07:14] <grumpysmurf> good luck SQL_Sam i gotta run
[07:14] <SQL_Sam> thanks
[07:15] <Sabator> Everything sounds crappy, really
[07:15] <Sabator> is there a way to reinstall sound drivers?
[07:15] <crimsun> Sabator: try rebooting
[07:15] <Sabator> I just did
[07:15] <SQL_Sam> -rw-r--r--  1 root root 7830 2005-04-21 21:42 smb.conf
[07:16] <crimsun> Sabator: what have you changed from the default install?
[07:16] <Sabator> far too much :)
[07:16] <crimsun> what, sound-related, have you changed?
[07:16] <Sabator> but nothing to do with sound except this plugin
[07:16] <crimsun> the xmms plugin? what did you install and to where?
[07:16] <Sabator> I also just ran a test, it seems when I'm playing a video and it's fine
[07:17] <SQL_Sam> why would it give me an error?
[07:17] <Sabator> I got the xmms plugin off Synaptic earlier, but xmms still refused to play the files
[07:17] <crimsun> SQL_Sam: what are you trying to do?
[07:18] <SQL_Sam> never mind
[07:18] <SQL_Sam> got it
[07:18] <SQL_Sam> -duh
[07:18] <AkaiAme> Hi, question: i have a  networking class, we are supposed to set up a server with dhcp and dns functionality... teacher says we are supposed to install windows server but that takes so long when we just want to test something, so i was wondering if there is any live distro that i can use.. i mean i know knoppix has dhcp server but is there something that has apache and dns, and snmp (query) functionality too? maybe a packet sniffer too.. and all
[07:18] <AkaiAme> with a nice gui for non cli people?
[07:18] <Sabator> xmms sounds like shit now when I'm playing mp3s
[07:19] <crimsun> Sabator: ok, I don't think we're asking the same things.
[07:19] <flodine> a guys i tryed burning with k3b as root but still says cdrom locked
[07:19] <flodine> whats the problem here
[07:19] <holycow> as much as i love gstreamer, totem gstreamer is very laggy
[07:19] <crimsun> Sabator: can you play mp3s?
[07:19] <Sabator> yes
[07:19] <crimsun> Sabator: and how do they sound?
[07:19] <Sabator> not .flacs for some reason
[07:19] <Sabator> mp3s sound shitty
[07:19] <Sabator> like, fuzzy and staticy
[07:19] <AkaiAme> or can someone point me to an irc room for such stupid noob question?
[07:20] <Sabator> so does Ubuntu itself, as in gaim and the beep things
[07:20] <crimsun> Sabator: what are your mixer volumes set at?
[07:20] <bluefoxicy> is there a way to configure wireless interfaces in Ubuntu, like in Windows-- point and click a task tray icon?
[07:20] <crimsun> AkaiAme: e-smith?
[07:20] <ivoks> every day i like ubuntu even more and more :)
[07:20] <ringmauer> how do i do if i want to watch divX in ubuntu?
[07:20] <crimsun> it might have a new name
[07:20] <ivoks> ringmauer get xine
[07:20] <crimsun> ringmauer: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[07:21] <mishof> omggg i cant believe i managed to compile my kernel! now my tablet works at last- thanks for help ! :)
[07:21] <ringmauer> should i write in shell or in the browser?
[07:21] <Prof_Frink> or vlc. vlc plays everything
[07:21] <ivoks> crimsun are u part of ubuntu team?
[07:21] <crimsun> ringmauer: web browser
[07:21] <crimsun> ivoks: I'm a universe maintainer
[07:21] <ivoks> is anyone here part of ubuntu team or project?
[07:21] <ringmauer> i never installed anything in ubuntu before so im coming back for more help later
[07:21] <ivoks> crimsun nice
[07:22] <ivoks> crimsun i have one question regaring CUPS
[07:22] <ivoks> crimsun if u would like to listen :)
[07:22] <crimsun> ivoks: sure I'll listen, but I'm not knowledgable w/ CUPS
[07:22] <ivoks> crimsun ok... well...
[07:23] <ivoks> crimsun everyting works fine, but if u plug in USB printer when cups is allready started it wouldn't detect it
[07:23] <ivoks> crimsun when i restart cups, everyting works...
[07:23] <ivoks> crimsun well, that's it :) i know u can't do anything about it, but it's a nice info
[07:23] <crimsun> ivoks: if you're positive that's a bug, then please check bugzilla and report it :)
[07:24] <ivoks> i'm not positive it's a bug :)
[07:24] <ivoks> i'll have to investigatge that
[07:24] <ivoks> one g too much :)
[07:24] <ivoks> today i managed to get my suspend to ram work... wiki.ubuntu.com is great place
[07:25] <goldfish> Amaranth: Why do you keep asking ppl to kick me?
[07:25] <Amaranth> goldfish: ?
[07:25] <AkaiAme> ok thanks i'll check it out
[07:25] <Amaranth> goldfish: It's the best way to wake people up.
[07:25] <goldfish> hmm...
[07:25] <goldfish> 15:25 <Amaranth> SeamusLP: Kick goldfish for me, he broke something before he
[07:25] <goldfish>           went to bed.
[07:25] <suppos> Does anyone know if ubuntu can support SpeedTouch 330 Adsl modem? Plz, desperately need help!
[07:25] <goldfish> For example.
[07:26] <Seveas> suppos is that an ethernet or usb modem?
[07:26] <suppos> usb
[07:26] <Seveas> then i don't know
[07:26] <Seveas> check the forum :)
[07:27] <hksdu> hi, my totern doesn't play mpeg with sound, it plays the movie but it has no sound :(
[07:27] <suppos> ok.. tnx
[07:27] <SeamusLP> goldfish, amaranth:  Wrong go1dfish guys ;)
[07:27] <karljp> I get ieee1394: Error parsing configrom for node 0-00:1023 when I plug in a firewire harddrive, (in my syslog) anyone know wht would be causing that?
[07:28] <AkaiAme> crimsun: what is the link for e-smith, http://www.e-smith.org/ sends me to Mitel OnLine.. is that right?
[07:28] <goldfish> hrmm...
[07:28] <karljp> and I don't get any /dev/hd* or /dev/sd* devices turning up either, so it's not working anyway
[07:28] <goldfish> Ah right sorry :)
[07:28] <ringmauer> I cant understand how to install the DivX player? can anyone guide me?
[07:28] <SeamusLP> goldfish:  go1dfish is my roommate with odd sleeping habits...
[07:28] <goldfish> lol
[07:29] <goldfish> Sorry, just comes up highlighted on my screen as he spelt it goldfish.
[07:29] <goldfish> My mistake :)
[07:29] <ringmauer> please?
[07:29] <goldfish> emmm
[07:29] <SeamusLP> ringmauer:  Totem-xine will handle DivX quite well
[07:29] <goldfish> ringmauer: IS it in the repos?
[07:29] <goldfish> Vlc is quite good.
[07:30] <hksdu> anyone?
[07:30] <ringmauer> but how do i install totem-whine? i have never installed anything before (feeling soo noob) so i would really appreciate some help
[07:30] <Chacal> hi all
[07:30] <goldfish> ringmauer: www.ubuntuguide.org
[07:30] <flodine> a guys i tryed burning with k3b as root but still says cdrom locked
[07:30] <SeamusLP> ringmauer:  Is so simple!
[07:30] <goldfish> ringmauer: you will need to add extra repositories i expect ringmauer.
[07:31] <goldfish> ringmauer: That site is a good plpace to start.
[07:31] <ringmauer> yes thats the prob i think goldfish
[07:31] <ringmauer> but www.ubuntuguide.org does it tells me everything i need to know?
[07:31] <goldfish> yep
[07:31] <goldfish> well, it shows you how to add the repositories
[07:31] <irbdavid> hiya, i installed the win32 codecs package, but totem only seems to play the audio part of a file, and has a swirly sorta screensaver thing in the window
[07:31] <Prof_Frink> then just search in synaptic
[07:31] <goldfish> yep
[07:31] <SeamusLP> ringmauer:  In linux you install things through apt-get or synaptic package manager under system -> administration
[07:32] <Chacal> where do I have to put the win32 codecs in order to use them with totem?
[07:32] <SeamusLP> ringmauer:  Debian-based linux that is
[07:32] <Markrian> Chacal, ~/.gnome2/totem-addons
[07:32] <Saint33> Hi folks...
[07:32] <goldfish> hi
[07:32] <Chacal> great!! thanks a lot!!
[07:32] <irbdavid> any one got suggestions?
[07:33] <goldfish> irbdavid: did you put them in ~/.gnome2/totem-addons ?
[07:33] <goldfish> :)
[07:33] <SeamusLP> irbdavid:  Sounds like you're trying to load an audio file
[07:33] <goldfish> hmm
[07:33] <holycow> Chacal, you don't, you just apt-get install w32codecs... they are installed for you
[07:33] <goldfish> ignore me.
[07:33] <crimsun> AkaiAme: I believe it has a new name
[07:33] <irbdavid> nope, they're mpegs
[07:33] <irbdavid> goldfish, yep
[07:33] <SQL_Sam> hey got a question - in trying to edit my smb.conf file says i dont have access rights - what do i need to do?
[07:33] <Saint33> Is anyone here using a wireless setup and it's working ???
[07:34] <holycow> SQL_Sam, sudo gedit, smb.conf
[07:34] <SeamusLP> irbdavid:  What are you using to play them?  totem-xine?
[07:34] <Chacal> sudo vi smb.conf
[07:34] <AkaiAme> crimsum: just noticed, is it: SME Server V5? ist it still free to download/
[07:34] <Ocid> Saint33: sure
[07:34] <crimsun> AkaiAme: no idea, I just remember it being mentioned some years ago
[07:34] <Saint33> Ocid: how did u go about setting it up... thru Terminal or Network prefs ???
[07:34] <irbdavid> totem
[07:34] <sobersabre> Saint33, r u still with non working wireless ? :-(
[07:34] <b0ol> hm.. how to open a taskmanager like programm?
[07:34] <Ocid> Saint33: network prefs
[07:34] <sobersabre> b0ol, what is taskmanager ?
[07:35] <Saint33> Ocid: I had a WinXP wireless setup, but when I get this to connect it stalls ubuntu and I need to reboot ... dunno why
[07:35] <SeamusLP> irbdavid:  Yes, but click on help -> about and tell me if you're using totem-xine or totem-gstreamer
[07:35] <SQL_Sam> i use a comma?
[07:35] <b0ol> :> (i used windows before :> so im used to say taskmanager)
[07:35] <SQL_Sam> command not found?
[07:35] <sobersabre> Saint33, which chipset is your card ?
[07:35] <irbdavid> totem gstreamer
[07:35] <b0ol> i dont know the name of the programm in linux
[07:35] <ringmauer> getting problems
[07:35] <ringmauer> ringmauer@ubuntu:~$ gpg --keyserver wwkeys.eu.pgp.net --recv-keys 1F41B907
[07:35] <ringmauer> gpg: error creating keyring `/home/ringmauer/.gnupg/secring.gpg': Permission denied
[07:35] <ringmauer> gpg: keyblock resource `/home/ringmauer/.gnupg/secring.gpg': file open error
[07:35] <ringmauer> gpg: error creating keyring `/home/ringmauer/.gnupg/pubring.gpg': Permission denied
[07:35] <ringmauer> gpg: keyblock resource `/home/ringmauer/.gnupg/pubring.gpg': file open error
[07:35] <ringmauer> gpg: can't get key from keyserver: Permission denied
[07:35] <irbdavid> v0.8.9
[07:35] <ringmauer> gpg: Total number processed: 0
[07:35] <holycow> bool easy, apps / system / system monitor
[07:35] <b0ol> a programm where i can see all  apps and where i can kill all apps foricbly
[07:35] <b0ol> forcibly
[07:35] <] BreliC[> SQL_Sam, no, don't use a comma
[07:35] <b0ol> thnx
[07:35] <AkaiAme> crimsum: thanks i found it: http://contribs.org/
[07:35] <b0ol> whats the shell command for that?
[07:36] <] BreliC[> SQL_Sam, 'sudo gedit smb.conf'
[07:36] <dantheman> ringmauer: try using sudo
[07:36] <SQL_Sam> matt@ubuntu:/etc/samba$ sudu gedit smb.conf
[07:36] <SQL_Sam> bash: sudu: command not found
[07:36] <SeamusLP> irbdavid:  If you want to play it in totem, you need to get the xine backend.  The package name is totem-xine.
[07:36] <] BreliC[> b0ol, 'ps -A'
[07:36] <Ocid> b0ol: ps -A
[07:36] <b0ol> thnxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[07:36] <irbdavid> thanks SeamusLP
[07:36] <] BreliC[> b0ol, then 'kill <number>'
[07:36] <b0ol> kk
[07:36] <ringmauer> it worked, thanks
[07:37] <dantheman> no problem
[07:37] <Saint33> I have the network prefs all setup for the ssid and wep password, but it wont work
[07:37] <Chacal> "SUDO"!!
[07:37] <Saint33> when I sort that our using the terminal, it seems to work but stall my system
[07:37] <Chacal> sudo gedit smb.conf
[07:37] <IIIEars> kI am new so correct me - killall -9 "appname" or "PID#"
[07:37] <] BreliC[> SQL_Sam, it's sudo, not sudu ;)
[07:37] <SQL_Sam> lol
[07:37] <IIIEars> thx B0ol
[07:37] <Ocid> Saint33: what chipset?
[07:37] <Beuno> hey, I just installed ubuntu hoary "server" version, and I cant connect to it from any PC on the lan
[07:37] <Beuno> what do I need to configure?
[07:37] <b0ol> ?
[07:37] <b0ol> what IIIEars ?
[07:38] <] BreliC[> Bueno, does it have sshd installed?
[07:38] <ringmauer> now ive added the repositores, what shall i do now+
[07:38] <ringmauer> ?
[07:38] <Saint33> Ocid: Marvell w8300
[07:38] <Saint33> it's an Asus WL-138g card
[07:38] <Beuno> Brelic: excelent question, looking....
[07:38] <SQL_Sam> i was into my star trek daze i guess was thinkin of Sulu.....
[07:38] <Chacal> Beuno: ssh-server
[07:38] <IIIEars> Just getting around linux is hard - I have to learn everything again (windows handicapped)
[07:38] <] BreliC[> Bueno, it doesn't install it by default on the regular version, so i'm not sure about server, though you would think it would
[07:39] <Ocid> Saint33: i think that somebody else was also fighting with that card with no success
[07:39] <dantheman> what does "Hibernate the computer" do?
[07:39] <Beuno> ooooh
[07:39] <ringmauer> dantheman: repositores added, and now?
[07:39] <Beuno> yeah, I thought it did
[07:39] <Beuno> installing
[07:39] <dantheman> ringmauer: what are you trying to do?
[07:39] <Beuno> does it come with all the ports and permissions open by default?
[07:39] <Saint33> Ocid:what card are you using ??
[07:39] <Ocid> ringmauer: if in synaptic click reload
[07:39] <Ocid> Saint33: 3com officeconnect
[07:39] <Beuno> there ya go
[07:39] <Beuno> : )
[07:39] <Beuno> Im in
[07:39] <] BreliC[> Bueno, then you'll have to add locations in /etc/exports to export
[07:40] <] BreliC[> ahh, good
[07:40] <ringmauer> install xine
[07:40] <] BreliC[> ;)
[07:40] <Beuno> I dont understand why they left sshd out!
[07:40] <ringmauer> dantheman: install xine
[07:40] <goldfish> So there is a server version of hoary?
[07:40] <dantheman> search for gxine
[07:40] <] BreliC[> Bueno, sorry, was thinking nfs.. nevermind my comment
[07:40] <dantheman> and mark it for installation, and hit apply
[07:40] <Beuno> yeah, goldfish, when installing, type: server
[07:40] <Saint33> Ocid: the ndiswrapper website says the card will work tho when setup... and so far it's setup and detected as a device... just cant get the bugger to connect
[07:40] <SeamusLP> IIIEars:  You'll pull through I'm sure.  Ubuntu has a great community and a load of howto guides on all types of subjects.
[07:40] <Beuno> np!
[07:40] <Beuno> thanks
[07:40] <sobersabre> what do u guys mean "ubuntu server version" ?
[07:40] <Beuno> oh
[07:40] <goldfish> so it's still the saem iso?
[07:40] <ringmauer> dantheman: where should i search?
[07:40] <goldfish> you just type in server?
[07:40] <dantheman> does anyone have experience using a linksys wusb54g in ubuntu?
[07:41] <Beuno> and btw, while Im here, I using ubuntu here on my laptop, and it doesnt seem to configure my wireless and modem by default
[07:41] <dantheman> in synaptic
[07:41] <Sionide> it's when people use ubuntu as a server, rather than a desktop pc
[07:41] <IIIEars> Ubuntu is GREAT! :)   - the documentation is very good.
[07:41] <Beuno> any ideas where I can dig?
[07:41] <ringmauer> dantheman: im getting some errors when istalling updates,             Failed to fetch http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/backports/dists/hoary-extras/multiverse/binary-amd64/Packages.gz  500 Internal Server Error
[07:41] <ringmauer> Failed to fetch http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/backports/dists/hoary-extras/restricted/binary-amd64/Packages.gz  500 Internal Server Error
[07:41] <ringmauer> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[07:41] <ringmauer> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[07:41] <ringmauer> 
[07:41] <sobersabre> Beuno, what's "ububntu server"
[07:41] <sobersabre>  ?
[07:41] <Chacal> you need root privilegies to issue apt-get update
[07:41] <fb2> Hi guys, I have a question (having already googled with no results). I am trying out the livecd, and trying to mount my ntfs partition.  I can mount it successfully (running mount with sudo) but the normal user does not have access to the mounted device, I can only access it with sudo
[07:41] <sobersabre> ringmauer, you run 2 instances of dpkg.
[07:41] <Chacal> try: sudo apt-get update
[07:41] <goldfish> Beuno: try searching ubuntuforums.org for the models maybe.....
[07:41] <sig> anyone know why they took gmail-notify out of the repos?
[07:42] <sig> that was a sweet program
[07:42] <ringmauer> sobersabre: ok, and what should i do to stop one?
[07:42] <Ocid> Saint33: i have never messed with ndiswraper, sry
[07:42] <Chacal> fb2: you need to mount with -o mask=777
[07:42] <Saint33> Ocid: np... this is a hard one to sort out...
[07:42] <fb2> thanks
[07:42] <Beuno> sober: when installing hoary, you can choose to install the server version instead. I comes with all the gfx stripped out, around 300mb install
[07:42] <sobersabre> fb2, u need to change umask option to ... say to 0
[07:42] <Tuxicity> sig, isnt there a Firefox Extension for gmail?
[07:42] <johns^> Does anybody knows if warty is still being updated?
[07:42] <sig> Tuxicity: heh screw that
[07:42] <sobersabre> Chacal, isn't it negged mask ?
[07:42] <ringmauer> sobersabre? how to stop one?
[07:42] <Chacal> fb2: or -o uid=user,gid=group
[07:42] <] BreliC[> johns^, should be for another 12 months
[07:42] <dantheman> sig: what do you use for gmail checking if not the firefox extension?
[07:42] <johns^> hm
[07:43] <Ocid> fb2: try umask=022
[07:43] <sobersabre> ringmauer, did u run apt-get/aptitude/update manager/synaptic ?
[07:43] <sig> dantheman: because I hardly use firefox for one
[07:43] <johns^> haven't seen updates in a while
[07:43] <dantheman> sig: but do you have something that checks gmail without having to open up the browser and log in?
[07:43] <sig> dantheman: I used to use gmail-notify
[07:43] <crimsun> johns^: warty and hoary are updated only for security.
[07:43] <dantheman> well, so did i
[07:43] <johns^> ah.
[07:43] <dantheman> but that's not for linux
[07:43] <johns^> that sucks
[07:43] <Beuno> you need to change it to "breezy" if you want updates
[07:43] <sig> dantheman: yes it is
[07:44] <dantheman> oh...i'm thinking gnotifier
[07:44] <dantheman> for windows
[07:44] <ringmauer> no
[07:44] <ringmauer> sobersabre, no
[07:44] <Ocid> dantheman: gmail notifier extension for firefox
[07:44] <sig> http://gmail-notify.sourceforge.net/
[07:44] <Saint33> Ocid: are you just sharing files over your wireless connection or the internet too ?
[07:44] <ringmauer> sobersabre, what should i do now?
[07:44] <Ocid> Saint33: nope, just browsing the net with it
[07:45] <Chacal> negged?
[07:45] <scott> anyone had problems with ubuntu stalling up on a laptop after disconnecting it from ext power? mine stalls up after somewhere around 5 minutes
[07:45] <Saint33> Ocid: r u using Firestarter as a firewall ?
[07:45] <Ocid> Saint33: nope, i have a separate box for fw
[07:45] <Markrian> I thought the whole idea of Ubuntu's releases being frozen was blindingly clear
[07:45] <ringmauer> sobersabre, what should i do+
[07:46] <Saint33> Ocid: oh... np, just wondering
[07:46] <Markrian> I have no idea why everyone keeps asking "Where are the updates?"
[07:46] <Chacal> scott: nopes... but I guess it could be a problem with the power-addon package (sorry, don't remember the name)
[07:46] <sobersabre> ringmauer: pgrep dpkg and stop being so dependent and demanding.. cool down, its only a computer
[07:46] <holycow> Markrian, people are idiots
[07:46] <holycow> *shrug*
[07:46] <sig> Markrian: they will still release updates
[07:46] <sig> fixes, security etc...
[07:46] <Markrian> sig, I know ;o
 I have no idea why everyone keeps asking "Where are the updates?"
[07:47] <sig> pretty dumb
[07:47] <sig> there will be updates
[07:47] <Markrian> sig, I know.
[07:47] <holycow> sig, don't be pedantic, your deliberately misinterpreting the statement
[07:47] <ringmauer> sobersabre, sorry  i just feel so disorientated
[07:47] <johns^> sig: I'm runningen a debian box also wich gets a lot more updates
[07:47] <sig> holycow: not really
[07:47] <holycow> yes really
[07:47] <sig> negative turbo
[07:48] <johns^> so I was wandering if I misconfigured something
[07:48] <johns^> damn, wondering
[07:48] <] BreliC[> johns^, probably different packages installed so some require updates, others not.. ?  just a guess
[07:48] <ringmauer> sobersabre, okay  pgrep dpkg, done, and now?
[07:48] <] BreliC[> with suse i got way more updates on the desktop than the lappy because of that reason
[07:48] <karljp> ok, so I've switched to the right firewire port, and my firewire drive still isn't appearing as /dev/sdX
[07:48] <karljp> anyone with any ideas?
[07:49] <drspin> I SOLVED MY DMA TROUBLE
[07:49] <jesper> Is it possible to install Ubuntu, by downloading the iso to harddrive and start from floppy?
[07:49] <drspin> oops - sorry for yelling...
[07:49] <johns^> ] BreliC[: maybe. the debian box also runs servers
[07:49] <karljp> I don't have "sd" under block devices in /proc/devices
[07:49] <karljp> is that going to be a problem?
[07:51] <Fackamato> hoi
[07:51] <Fackamato> could someone point me to a default sources.list
[07:51] <Ocid> Fackamato: www.ubuntuguide.org
[07:51] <Fackamato> doh ;P
[07:52] <karljp> I've got an external haddrive with both usb and firewire, and the usb works, automounts, lovely,
[07:52] <drspin> dmesg |grep --invert-match Inbound
[07:52] <drspin> ^^^^^ == Filters out all of the "Inbound" traffic from firestarter ;)
[07:53] <karljp> but the firewire just puts ieee1394: sbp2: Error logging into SBP-2 device - login failed
[07:53] <karljp> sbp2: probe of 0050770e00071002-0 failed with error -16
[07:53] <karljp>  in my dmesg
[07:53] <kamme> hello, is it normal that totem won't play movies/mp3's unless I'm connected to the internet?
[07:53] <holycow> kamme, no
[07:54] <kamme> ok, so the next question is, what to do about it?
[07:54] <kamme> when I start it using a terminal, it tells me it needs a network connection
[07:54] <holycow> depends... by default totem-gstreamer is installed and its flaky still unfortunatley
[07:54] <dantheman> i think i can't install gmail-notifier because my version of python is too recent....will installing an older version break things?
[07:55] <kamme> well, I installed totem-gstreamer because of those issues
[07:55] <kamme> so I got totem-xine
[07:55] <irbdavid> where can i manually download a totem-xine package?
[07:55] <jkka> what do you think of textmaker?
[07:55] <kamme> I uninstalled totem-gstreamer, that is
[07:55] <Mr_T> irbdavid, apt-get install totem
[07:56] <Mr_T> oh, wait
[07:56] <kamme> irbdavid, use apt-get.org to look for it, then just type the url in your browser and search the package
[07:56] <Mr_T> I like gxine
[07:57] <irbdavid> thanks kamme
[07:57] <tritium> irbdavid, apt-cache search xine
[07:57] <kamme> So do I, but I can't find it anymore
[07:57] <Juhaz> dantheman, you think. based on what? python generally doesn't change that fast, nothing should break between 2.3 and 2.4
[07:57] <tritium> irbdavid, it's in universe
[07:58] <Essobi> So umm.. I want to build a kernel.. but I don't have ncurses5-dev available in apt-get.. anyone have an idea why?
[07:58] <dantheman> already closed the X and nothing changes...
[07:58] <dantheman> karljp you know, wikis' are great, but finding stuff in them can suck so hard
[07:58] <dantheman> * hksdu (~Andy@CPE000625de9d0e-CM4000
[07:58] <irbdavid> manually, as in not via synaptic.  connection way too slow to update all the lists (if it's anything like urpmi)
[07:58] <dantheman> whoa...that's not what i wanted to paste at all
[07:58] <Leoke> ESR value
[07:58] <dantheman> juhaz: dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of gmail-notify:
[07:58] <dantheman>  gmail-notify depends on python (<< 2.4); however:
[07:58] <dantheman>   Version of python on system is 2.4.1-0ubuntu2.
[07:58] <Essobi> dantheman That's what google site: is for.
[07:59] <Mr_T> anyone played with ndiswrapper for setting up wifi?
[07:59] <karljp> dantheman: yes, that's what I said :)
[07:59] <Leoke> it stops there
[07:59] <Leoke> the instal
[07:59] <dantheman> karljp: that stuff was said earlier, and i accidentally pasted the wrong stuff
[07:59] <karljp> hehe :)
[07:59] <Markrian> irbdavid, apt is nothing like urpmi.
[07:59] <dantheman> juhaz: that's my output from doing sudo dpkg -i gmail-notify-1.5.deb
[07:59] <Markrian> For a start, it's GOOD ;)
[07:59] <Juhaz> dantheman, I see, looks like bad packaging to me instead of a real dependency, but hmm.
[07:59] <karljp> so, anyone know how to mount firewire harddrives?
[08:00] <Juhaz> dantheman, python 2.3 should install just fine parallel to 2.4
[08:00] <Essobi> Can someone pastebin their /etc/apt/sources.list, please?
[08:00] <dantheman> well, i might be able to try installing it a different way
[08:00] <drspin> Essobi: #flood
[08:00] <Mr_T> Essobi, I can upload it somewhere if you like
[08:01] <IIIEars> (Wide Grin) Evolution email ROCKS!
[08:01] <karljp> what does evo mail offer above thunderbird?
[08:01] <mjr> IIIEars, nah, it just sucks less :)
[08:01] <Ocid> Essobi: http://www.pastebin.com/274647
[08:02] <cyphase> later everyone
[08:02] <IIIEars> hm - good question - I haven't tried Thunderbird.
[08:02] <mjr> well, it is more home at gnome
[08:02] <Essobi> Thanks ocid
[08:02] <jamin-> hello everybody, I just got xvncviewer from the package manager, now where can I find it? I cant see it under applications...
[08:02] <mjr> gpg out of the box (yes, I know enigmail)
[08:02] <SQL_Sam> WOO HOO got my samba working!!
[08:02] <tirian> karljp: I've used evolution and thunderbird and I found thunderbird to be more stable.
[08:02] <karljp> iiie: what were yo uusing before evo mail then?
[08:02] <mjr> but I suppose tb is not bad either
[08:02] <SQL_Sam> thanks all
[08:03] <tritium> karljp, access to exchange servers
[08:03] <karljp> I'm extremely happy with tb, was just wondering
[08:03] <sobersabre>  guys... anybody speaks brazilian portuguese in here ?
[08:03] <DJ_Mirage> el porto :?
[08:03] <SQL_Sam> que?
[08:03] <IIIEars> It's worht a try :)
[08:04] <karljp> man, firewire is weird
[08:04] <karljp> stick int eh firewire cable, errors, unplug, stick in usb cable, mounts, unplug, stick in firewire cable=>now it turns up
[08:05] <Essobi> Ocid What's that nerim server in your list?
[08:05] <tritium> Essobi, Marillat's repo
[08:06] <Essobi> Who's what what?
[08:06] <Essobi> :)
[08:07] <tritium> Essobi, see here: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[08:07] <Leoke> yellow
[08:07] <Leoke> ESR value before enabling vector: 0000002
[08:08] <kamme> ah, another question, what happend to the applications:/// handler? I can't edit my menu anymore
[08:08] <Leoke> how can I instal uvunto
[08:08] <Leoke> ubunto for the first time is al already get this error
[08:08] <Leoke> can somoene help
[08:09] <sobersabre> SQL_Sam, can u answer in a query... if you don't mind... ?
[08:09] <holycow> it's recommended to remove totem-gstreamer and install totem-xine, and then go to ubuntuguide.org and add the correct repository for w32codecs and install those because totem-xine uses those
[08:09] <holycow> however
[08:09] <Essobi> tritium Ahhh, nice.
[08:10] <holycow> before doing all of that, you may wish to try installing gstreamer plugins because totem-gstreamer doesn't use w32codecs, it uses gstreamer plugins ... maybe something in there will fix your issue
[08:10] <tritium> Essobi, found the info on Marillat?  :)
[08:11] <Essobi> tritium Ayup.
[08:15] <njs12345> hmm
[08:15] <njs12345> if I've accidentally deleted conf files how can I get apt/dpkg to reinstall them?
[08:16] <tritium> njs12345, which files?
[08:16] <njs12345> tritium: phpmyadmin and mysql conf files
[08:17] <tritium> you can always reinstall with apt-get install --reinstall
[08:17] <njs12345> tritium: you'd have thought that
[08:17] <njs12345> but you can't
[08:17] <tritium> you can, it's an option
[08:18] <njs12345> tritium: hmm
[08:18] <njs12345> tritium: it wasn't working earlier, but it does now ;)
[08:20] <tritium> njs12345, good
[08:20] <Adyeths> anyone happen to know when the ubuntu cd's are going to ship?
[08:20] <njs12345> Adyeths: it said mid april
[08:20] <tritium> there's also dpkg-reconfigure <packagename> to reconfigure things
[08:21] <njs12345> tritium: yeah
[08:22] <oystein> how do i completly remove apache2?
[08:22] <goldfish> apt-get remove apache2 ?
[08:22] <tritium> add --purge to the end of that
[08:23] <XTCboarder> dudes....what's this gizmo that seems to be a clone of mac's dock?
[08:23] <oystein> goldfish: it dosent remove all the config files
[08:23] <XTCboarder> oystein use synaptic
[08:23] <XTCboarder> it's easier
[08:24] <njs12345> oystein: that's what purge does
[08:24] <oystein> XTCboarder: i dont have x
[08:24] <XTCboarder> oh
[08:24] <oystein> its a server
[08:24] <jupiterste> hello
[08:24] <XTCboarder> anybody know this gizmo?
[08:24] <Primal> xtc, i'd like to know too
[08:25] <Primal> saw a pic of that two days ago
[08:25] <bluefoxicy> is there a way to configure wireless interfaces in Ubuntu, like in Windows-- point and click a task tray icon?
[08:25] <njs12345> bluefoxicy: not currently
[08:25] <jupiterste> I've been running ubuntu for a week or two, i'm new to linux, and about 2 hours the whole system becomes slow, windows stop moving, the mouse won't click anything
[08:25] <bluefoxicy> njan:  fuck.
[08:25] <XTCboarder> i'll keep searhing.... and let ya know
[08:25] <jupiterste> Ctrl-Alt-Backspace doesn't seem to work
[08:26] <tritium> bluefoxicy, you might take a look at netapplet
[08:26] <njs12345> bluefoxicy: try System->Administration->Networking though
[08:26] <bluefoxicy> tritium:  that hting that flashes 2 monitors on gnome's panel?
[08:26] <] BreliC[> yeah, that seems to configure all network connections
[08:26] <tritium> bluefoxicy, no
[08:26] <JDigital> Hello folks. I have Ubuntu, how do I share files on a Windows network, such that people on my Windows network can access some of my stuff?
[08:27] <njs12345> JDigital: you could try this
[08:27] <njs12345> sudo apt-get install apache2
[08:27] <goldfish> emmm
[08:27] <bluefoxicy> njs12345:  I can just use ifconfig but :/ It's hard to pitch Linux when it's like "you have to do some ass like go into Admin->stuff->system->networking click the interface add your IP and do stuff. . ." rather than "Click the Wireless Networks applet here and it'll list all your wireless cards and let you plug into any network they find"
[08:27] <tritium> JDigital, with samba
[08:27] <] BreliC[> JDigital, through Samba
[08:27] <njs12345> yes, samba is one way
[08:27] <JDigital> I'm trying Samba, but I can't seem to get it to work.
[08:27] <tritium> bluefoxicy, install netapplet
[08:27] <njs12345> but that involves setting things up
[08:27] <JDigital> I'm not putting up a webserver.
[08:27] <njs12345> oh
[08:27] <bluefoxicy> tritium:  searching.
[08:28] <njs12345> well, samba then
[08:28] <|QuaD-> JDigital: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#sambaserver
[08:29] <JDigital> ok, I'll try that
[08:29] <] BreliC[> bluefoxicy, i understand what you're saying.. but people have to stop being afraid of a command line because a lot of time, it's actually simpler and makes more sense than using a gui
[08:29] <njs12345> ] BreliC[: for nerds, yes.. but Joe is _never_ going to use a command line
[08:29] <bluefoxicy> brelic:  i'm thinking of people with more intelligence than a mac user but less than a typical linux user.
[08:30] <] BreliC[> njs12345, heh, true, but if my wife can figure it out (who is not a computer nerd) than others can too
[08:30] <] BreliC[> it's just a matter of effort i guess
[08:30] <dr_willis> effort and the ability to 'think' - lacking these days... thanks Bill G. :P
[08:30] <audis> excuse me, how can I change the hdd spindown time in ubuntu?
[08:30] <] BreliC[> dr_willis, well said
[08:30] <Primal> jdigital, still around?
[08:31] <dr_willis> Hmm... Justgot the latest Opera.. its not seeing any of my printers... sould i just keep reinstalling it? (windows mentality) :P
[08:31] <tritium> audis, look at the docs for hdparm
[08:31] <bck> hello guys, i really like ubuntu, but one thing i really don't understand is: where is "alsaconf"?
[08:31] <] BreliC[> i'm almost ready to ditch the SuSE installation on the desktop.. i've switched to ubuntu on the laptop, but just making sure there are no hiccups
[08:31] <hypno> audis /etc/hdparm.conf
[08:31] <Zen> yo all.. i know this is a bit of a silly question but say i have a .tar.gz file and i want to install the contents.. how do i do it?
[08:31] <JDigital> I'm still around.
[08:32] <] BreliC[> dr_willis, but firefox sees it?
[08:32] <audis> i have tried using hdparm, ill check the .conf file now, thanks
[08:32] <JDigital> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#sambaserver tells me how to install samba and smbfs. That's all. :(
[08:32] <Primal> jdigital, if you are using xp home, you might not be able to get the two to play nice with each other
[08:32] <bck> Zen: unpack with tar xvfz filename.tar.gz and execute the install file
[08:32] <] BreliC[> Zen, first you neded to uncompress it... 'tar zxvf filename.tar.gz'
[08:32] <Primal> i use xp home on the other computer and it just won't let me into ubuntu from windows
[08:32] <tirian> I tried the Ubuntu live cd last night and I was really impressed. Keep up the great work!
[08:32] <dr_willis> ] BreliC[,  thers no 'seeing' to it - as far as i can tell.. :P firefox works fine..  as does all my other programs ;p Opera seems to be confused.
[08:32] <Primal> or the other way around
[08:33] <JDigital> I'm using Win2K on my other computers
[08:33] <JDigital> Ubuntu on this one
[08:33] <goldfish> bck: It's in with the alsa-utils package afaik.
[08:33] <bck> Is the nonexistence of "alsaconf" a known issue?
[08:33] <] BreliC[> dr_willis, hmm, strange.
[08:33] <Primal> okay, then nevermind! :)
[08:33] <tritium> bck, it's not included intentionally
[08:33] <k-dog> I just upgraded warty => hoary.  clamav / freshclam and some related packages were uninstalled.  They're out of Universe.  Several deps are unmet, eg:    clamav: Depends: libclamav1 (>= 0.83) but it is not installable
[08:33] <k-dog> ...any suggestions on resolution?
[08:34] <dr_willis> ] BreliC[,  i told it to use the 'lpr' command - that added a 'custome' printer - to the list. but it dont work. lol
[08:34] <tritium> goldfish, no, it's not in alsa-utils
[08:34] <goldfish> oh right
[08:34] <bck> tritium, and how can i switch from onboard sound device (which was the default when i installed ubuntu) to my pci card which is plugged? =)
[08:35] <JDigital> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#sharefolderstheeasyway -- this page is no use either
[08:35] <goldfish> sojust i tried to install alsaconf, and it tried to install alsa-conf instead.
[08:35] <goldfish> *alsa-utils
[08:35] <goldfish> meh, nm
[08:35] <] BreliC[> dr_willis, man, that bites... when you click on Print, there's just nothing in the list?
[08:36] <tritium> bck, no idea
[08:36] <dr_willis> ] BreliC[,  there is now - that i added a custome printer to use the 'lpr' command. :P but dosent print... 'lpr foo.txt' from the command line does
[08:37] <bck> hmm there is only alsactl, which is useless for my issue (switch soundcard driver)
[08:37] <dr_willis> ] BreliC[,  lets see.. what is the command for kde or gnome to print somthing..
[08:37] <tritium> bck, there is alsactl
[08:37] <sig> lpr
[08:37] <JDigital> Well, no wonder. The guide is for hoary, and I am using Warty.
[08:38] <sig> JDigital: for what?
[08:38] <sig> what guide?
[08:38] <sig> should be the same more than likely
[08:38] <JDigital> ubuntuguide.org
[08:38] <JDigital> in this case it's not the same
[08:38] <sig> what?
[08:38] <dr_willis> ] BreliC[,  yea - i think its an opera issue/ they seem to be sending bad file names to the printing command. or somthing
[08:38] <sig> ubuntuguide.org is Hoary
[08:39] <sig> there is an older link for Warty on there too for the Warty guide
[08:39] <bck> tritium, yeah, but i read "man alsactl" and imho there's no way to change the driver itself, only accessing the advanced features of the already loaded driver
[08:39] <tizen> How many of you guys are using breezy?
[08:39] <JDigital> sig: yeah I found that
[08:39] <cjdavis> bck, I too am working on alsa questions - but i just got here - what is your issue?
[08:40] <hmmm22> is it possible to make a remote install of Ubuntu-Linux.
[08:40] <wasabi__> It is possible to do anything with it.
[08:40] <promethe> Is anyone using TeX here?
[08:40] <sobersabre> hmmm22, bootp / pxe
[08:40] <k-dog> hmmm22: /msg dpkg chroot install.
[08:40] <cjdavis> i am trying to get support together for the mutilple channels that my via-8237 supports
[08:40] <sobersabre> promethe, #tex , #latex
[08:40] <k-dog> Is there a channel bot?
[08:40] <dr_willis> I used TeX years ago in college.
[08:40] <bck> cjdavis, i have installed 2 soundcard devices: Cmedia (onboard) emuk (pci) the pci-device is plugged, and i want to use that one. the problem is alsamixer shows that the driver for cmedia is loaded
[08:41] <bck> and i have no idea how to switch that driver
[08:41] <hmmm22> the problem is . i want to install Ubuntu on a computer without a screen.
[08:41] <JDigital> What's the difference between home folder, group folder and public folder?
[08:41] <dr_willis> bck,  may want to disable the sound card in the bios.
[08:41] <bck> and oh, i'm not able to disable it in the bios ;)
[08:41] <JDigital> I never got what "group" was in terms of chmodding things
[08:41] <k-dog> hmmm22: Park the drive in another system.  Install there.  Transfer the drive.
[08:41] <tritium> promethe, I use LaTeX all the time.
[08:41] <dr_willis> public = a shared folder for all users. (perhaps accessable as a windows/samba share)
[08:42] <wasabi__> JDigital? security group.
[08:42] <hmmm22> i've got only my laptop
[08:42] <bck> dr_willis, there's no possibility in my bios
[08:42] <rrichie> hi all
[08:42] <cjdavis> bck, hmm.. have you looked at /usr/share/doc/alsa-base/README.Debian.gz
[08:42] <JDigital> What's security group?
[08:42] <dr_willis> bck,  you could just blacklist the modules that are getting loaded.
[08:42] <holycow> JDigital, first there is no group folder
[08:42] <wasabi__> JDigital, a user is a memeber of one or more groups.
[08:42] <holycow> JDigital, and where are you getting this public folder stuff from?
[08:42] <bck> cjdavis, not yet but thx for the hint
[08:42] <wasabi__> Security stuff.
[08:42] <cjdavis> bck, it looks like you want to set up an alias for snd-card-0
[08:42] <JDigital> http://ubuntuguide.org/4.10/index.html#sharegroupfolderreadsecurityuser
[08:43] <rrichie> has anyone already installed oracle 9i? I have problems : in the installer, when i click on the next button nothing happens. Can anyone help me?
[08:43] <goldfish> hmmm, does anyone know if there will be an XFCE section added to the Ubuntu Gallery on the forums?
[08:43] <JDigital> http://ubuntuguide.org/4.10/index.html#automountnetworkfolder
[08:43] <redduck666> what is the defaul root pasword in ubuntu live cd_
[08:43] <JDigital> etc
[08:43] <bck> dr_willis, you mean in /etc/modules ?
[08:43] <holycow> JDigital, the home folder basically contains user folders so /home/user1 and /home/user2 ... etc
[08:43] <tritium> redduck666, there isn't one
[08:43] <tritium> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[08:43] <hksdu> hi, I am using Ubuntu 5.04 and I have Duron 600, 256MB, GF2 MX400 32MB.  It runs pretty slow for desktop windows moving, it generates all shadows...does anyone know if the default installation is using the NV driver from nVidia or the kernel one?
[08:43] <bck> cjdavis, how do you mean that? i just want to use my pci soundcard instead the onboard crap
[08:44] <cjdavis> bck, actually, they refer to an 'emu10k1' driver in a specific example on multiple cards in there
[08:44] <redduck666> tritium, su  + enter + enter sazs incorect login
[08:44] <mvirkkil> hksdu: The Free one. Not the proprietary from nvidia
[08:44] <hksdu> mvirkkil, ic....
[08:44] <holycow> JDigital, on every linux system you have both users and groups, each user has their own home directory, and each user can belong to a group, so say you can belong to a group called accounting, and someone else can belong to a group called sales
[08:44] <dr_willis> hksdu,  eliminating all the eye candy will help a lot also.
[08:44] <bck> cjdavis, ok i'll take a look at that doc
[08:44] <JDigital> ah, I see.
[08:44] <tritium> redduck666, right, root account is disabled so you can use sudo
[08:44] <holycow> JDigital, folders are just that folders, groups are just that groups of users
[08:44] <wasabi__> "Just like Windows."
[08:44] <hksdu> mvirkkil, one more question, I was playing a mpeg movie using totern xine, but it plays it without sound, any clue?
[08:44] <cjdavis> bck, i believe that the system is seeing the onboard sound before the pci card
[08:44] <tritium> redduck666, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[08:45] <cjdavis> bck you want to force it to goto the emu device first
[08:45] <hksdu> dr_willis, I can't because they are so sweet .... :)
[08:45] <bck> cjdavis, yeah exactly
[08:45] <SQL_Sam> hey is mplayer already packaged in ubuntu or do i need to download it?
[08:45] <redduck666> tritium, thanks
[08:45] <mvirkkil> hksdu: Try killin polypaudio and make sure you've installed w32codecs from marillat.
[08:45] <cjdavis> bck, cool, then check out the first section of the file 'loading modules'
[08:45] <holycow> JDigital, and each folder is 'owned' by someone or a groups of someones ... your home directory is owned by you, but if you have a folder you want to share with the 'accounting group' you can chmod that folder to be owned by the group 'accounting' ... two different concepts taht work together to set permissions
[08:46] <hksdu> mvirkkil, what's marillat? do I downlaod the w32codecs from synaptics also?
[08:46] <JDigital> aha
[08:46] <bck> cjdavis, ok, give me a few minutes i'll report to you :D
[08:46] <mvirkkil> hksdu: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[08:46] <JDigital> So when I say "chmod 777", one of those is me, one of those is my group... and the other would be "everyone else"?
[08:47] <mvirkkil> JDigital: yes
[08:47] <holycow> JDigital, sorry i should of written chown user:group
[08:47] <JDigital> I had thought it was that but I never gave it much though as to what 'group' means
[08:47] <holycow> chmod sets the write/execute priviledges on a file
[08:47] <leek`_-> can someone tell me why its impossible to find any divx support? ive done everything google has told me with no luck... am i just retarded?
[08:47] <holycow> so you can chowwn user: group on a file
[08:47] <cjdavis> bck, cool. another hint - use modprobe -r modulename to remove modules (when you need to reload them or different ones)
[08:47] <JDigital> leek: use mplayer :)
[08:47] <holycow> and then you can chmod 777 to give specific read/write privildges on the folder
[08:48] <leek`_-> JDigital, what would i search for on synaptic?
[08:48] <JDigital> mplayer
[08:48] <SQL_Sam> is mplayer packaged in ubuntu?
[08:48] <JDigital> :)
[08:48] <leek`_-> JDigital, don't say mplayer coz it doesnt work
[08:48] <hksdu> mvirkkil, thx
[08:48] <JDigital> It ought to be, yes
[08:48] <wasabi__> SQL_Sam, maybe you should look.
[08:48] <JDigital> I use mplayer all the time, it 's great
[08:48] <JDigital> <3 mplayer
[08:48] <SQL_Sam> synaptic?
[08:48] <bck> cjdavis, thx, how do i know the name of the module for example the cmedia soundcard?
[08:48] <JDigital> meanwhile Totem doesn't work for shit
[08:48] <mvirkkil> I prefer xine.
[08:48] <Xeon3D> Hi, does anyone know if there is a transparent window selector applet for the gnome panel?
[08:48] <holycow> JDigital, to see what various numbers mean you can google, or right click on a folder, do properties, go to the permissions tab and check off things, you will see that each number corresponds to a specific set of read write execute permissions on a file/folder
[08:48] <cjdavis> Are there any ALSA wizards around here? I am trying to figure out how to use multiple channels on my sound card
[08:48] <leek`_-> JDigital, a search for "mplayer" yeilds me nothing :\
[08:48] <JDigital> oh.
[08:49] <JDigital> Have you tried looking it up in the ubuntu wiki?
[08:49] <JDigital> There might be another repository you have to add
[08:49] <SQL_Sam> i'll try that
[08:49] <leek`_-> JDigital, yep it says to install mplayer lol
[08:49] <leek`_-> JDigital, which seems to be impossible ;\
[08:49] <blackfeet> hi
[08:49] <JDigital> There might be another repository you have to add to be able to install mplayer from synaptic
[08:49] <cjdavis> bck, its probably a cmiXXX driver
[08:49] <SQL_Sam> well i was suppossed to have swat - and i dont have it.....
[08:49] <holycow> SQL_Sam, why not?
[08:50] <blackfeet> i've installed ubuntu on the fourth computer today, the first time i've troubles ..
[08:50] <SQL_Sam> dont know - went into my repos and it's not there
[08:50] <cjdavis> bck, is the cmi sound working at the moment?
[08:50] <holycow> SQL_Sam, it is, make sure to enable universe
[08:50] <mvirkkil> blackfeet: What's the problem?
[08:50] <SQL_Sam> how do i do that?
[08:50] <bck> cjdavis, i don't know its not plugged
[08:50] <JDigital> I forget whether or not Warty came with Ubuntu for me or I had to install it, but if I did install it, I did so using Synaptic. It's possible that I had to add another repository to do that, since no doubt some of mplayer's video codecs are non-free
[08:50] <holycow> SQL_Sam, open up synaptic, go to repository section, uncomment according to instructions in that file
[08:51] <SQL_Sam> i keep hearing universe / multiverse and have no idea what that is
[08:51] <bck> cjdavis, but i know from an older debian installation that the emuk chip actually works very fine
[08:51] <holycow> SQL_Sam, then update synaptic and search again
[08:51] <cjdavis> bck, run     lsmod | less    and look through there for snd-* modules that are loaded
[08:51] <holycow> SQL_Sam, just do what i told you
[08:51] <JDigital> SQL_Sam: Consult the wiki
[08:51] <] BreliC[> VLC is quite nice actually
[08:51] <blackfeet> .. i installed all,  than i loged in and everything worked, then i loged out-startet the X-Server new (changed resolution), tried to log in and than nothing happens, brown screen with coursor but nothing more ;(
[08:51] <JDigital> the wiki explained everything for me
[08:51] <karl> anyone used captive for ntfs write?
[08:51] <karl> http://www.jankratochvil.net/project/captive/
[08:51] <pablo928> leek`_try www.ubuntuguide.org #16
[08:51] <JDigital> is captive that one that uses ntfs.sys or somesuch to write to ntfs?
[08:51] <karl> yeah
[08:51] <JDigital> I've heard it said that it's good, and am considering trying it
[08:51] <holycow> karl, i tried, the problem is that lufs is no longer maintained by anyone, and no longer compiles against current kernel
[08:51] <SQL_Sam> i'll consult the wiki first....
[08:52] <karl> yeah, that's my doubts
[08:52] <karl> neither lufs nor captive are actually maintained
[08:52] <karl> whicih is sort of ok, if it works,
[08:52] <holycow> karl, therefore consider captive unusable currently unless someone eitehr patches lufs or you patch the kernel and recompile
[08:52] <karl> but not reassuring for linux stuff
[08:52] <holycow> captive too? oh right
[08:52] <holycow> *nod*
[08:52] <holycow> karl, well not true, it is very reassuring
[08:52] <blackfeet> i redid the resolution change and everyting i did, but it doesnt work, ... does anybody know something about my problem?
[08:52] <karl> oh well.
[08:52] <bck> cjdavis, exactly lsmod that's the tool i've looked for =)
[08:52] <karl> what's reassuring?
[08:53] <JDigital> Ah, now here's a problem. Ubuntuguide.org tells me that to share a folder on my Windows network I must first chmod it to 777, but this folder I want to share is on my Windows drive, and I'm assuming that you can't chmod on a FAT32 partition.
[08:53] <holycow> karl, you've never had a company that you paid money to for software either discontinue software or tell you to f your self about the direction they are taking, have you?
[08:53] <] BreliC[> if i want to have a module load at boot time, where do i put it??? Is it in the modules.conf?
[08:53] <holycow> karl, at least we have the source and if you care, hire someone to maintain it just for you, if you don't distribute it, you don't haveto share the soruce
[08:53] <karl> well yes, but I'm not sure what's reassuring about captive being closed.
[08:53] <karl> s/closed/not maintained
[08:54] <cjdavis> bck good. you'll need modprobe and maybe lspci as well
[08:54] <holycow> karl, you have the source, go forth and hire someone to fix it for you
[08:54] <karl> it would much much much cheaper for me to buy a 120gig harddrive, and a second case,
[08:55] <bck> cjdavis, i now know the name (it's snd_cmipci) how can i disable it and load the emuk module?
[08:55] <blackfeet> nobody knows something about my troubles?
[08:55] <karl> and do what I was planning on doing, and just dumping the ntfs drive to a fat32 drive and being done with it :)
[08:55] <holycow> karl, lol or stop using windows altogether?
[08:55] <karl> I'm actually trying to find someone to borrow one off for a few hours here in iceland.
[08:55] <holycow> >_>
[08:55] <dr_willis> karl,  thats what i did with external usb drives.
[08:55] <karl> if I can get expertgps to work in wine, I might be able to,
[08:55] <karl> but I'm still slowly migrating
[08:55] <cjdavis> bck, first modprobe -r snd_cmipci to remove old modules ( i think)
[08:56] <goldfish> blackfeet: you could try a 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'
[08:56] <karl> also, fat for an external drive makes the most sense as it lets me take it to people's house, regardless of whether they have linux or windows
[08:56] <holycow> karl, :) i kid, whatever works
[08:56] <karl> no, it's fine ;)
[08:56] <karl> I know what you mean, and for some people it's probably worth while
[08:57] <blackfeet> goldfish: xserver works fine, only gnome doesnt start up correctly
[08:57] <karl> I'm actualyl surprised that someone hasn't taken it up actually.
[08:57] <karl> s/actually//
[08:57] <holycow> karl, i ran into the same problem, but i only need ntfs support for work related issues
[08:57] <njs12345> blackfeet: has it been working before?
[08:57] <blackfeet> njs12345: yes, i was able to log in once
[08:57] <karl> if I had more free hardrive space, I'd just shuffle, but I've got about 6 gig free, so that's just going to happen :)
[08:58] <bck> cjdavis, ok now i know: i just have to edit my /etc/modules and add an additional soundcard
[08:58] <holycow> it's cheaper for me to actually buy norton ghost but i find microsoft business practices so distastefull i will hire someone to create/maintain ntfs/lufs/imaging package for me
[08:58] <njs12345> blackfeet: did it break after an upgrade?
[08:58] <cjdavis> bck, i ithink you want a line in /etc/modprobe.d/sound    to be             alias snd-card-0 snd-emu10k1
[08:58] <mvirkkil> blackfeet: What does 'top' say?
[08:58] <cjdavis> bck right
[08:58] <JDigital> I made the mistake of formatting my 120GB "all my anime and stuff goes on this" drive as NTFS because now linux can't delete old stuff from it
[08:58] <blackfeet> Myrtti: init is on top
[08:58] <karl> yeah, ntfs seemed like a great idea at the time :)
[08:58] <cjdavis> bck, wait.... maybe not quite the same...
[08:58] <blackfeet> njs12345: no, i didnt upgrade
[08:58] <njs12345> blackfeet: if not, you might want to try this: rm -rf ~/.gnome2  ~/.gnome2_private ~/.gconf ~/.gconfd
[08:59] <njs12345> you'll lose settings
[08:59] <blackfeet> i'll try
[08:59] <aeho> hello
[09:00] <goldfish> hi aeho
[09:00] <aeho> I just installed ubuntu, I'm new to linux
[09:00] <goldfish> cool
[09:01] <djm62> welcome
[09:01] <blackfeet> njs12345: nice, it works! thanx a lot
[09:01] <goldfish> good choice on disto btw :)
[09:01] <goldfish> *distro
[09:01] <Myrtti> whaaa?!
[09:01] <bck> cjdavis, maybe i should add this line: "options snd-cmipci index=-2" at the bottom of /etc/modrobe.d/alsa-base to prevent abnormal drivers from grabbing index 0
[09:01] <Myrtti> someone called me?
[09:02] <hksdu> mvirkkil, it still doesn't have sound, :(
[09:02] <njs12345> blackfeet: np :) you'll lose stuff like desktop backgrounds and stuff, but that shouldn't really be a problem
[09:02] <mvirkkil> hksdu: Make sure you've installed mp3 support
[09:02] <leek`_-> pablo928, thanks for your help :D got it
[09:03] <ringmauer> how do i do if i want to run whine?
[09:03] <hksdu> mvirkkil, do I need MARILLAT?
[09:03] <mvirkkil> hksdu: Probably. You can get mp3 support from there
[09:03] <cjdavis> bck, maybe in /etc/modprobe.d/sound, put alias snd-card-0    snd-emu10k1
[09:03] <cjdavis>     options snd-emu10k1 index=0
[09:04] <blackfeet> njs12345: i didn't do any settings and i know what it affects removing the . files in home, but i don't thougt that it would work in this case
[09:04] <geargolem> having a hard time with my video driver
[09:04] <holycow> karl yeah, ntfs seemed like a great idea at the time :)  <-- rofl, man isn't hindsight 20/20?  i feel the same way about the whole windows thing ... biiiiiig mistake.
[09:04] <k-dog> What's the trick for getting clamav installed under hoary?
[09:04] <pablo928>  leekglad it works for you also
[09:05] <HulaBeagleSeb> hey all
[09:05] <HulaBeagleSeb> i'm loving ubuntu at the momemt
[09:05] <k-dog> hksdu: In Soviet Russia, Marillat needs you.
[09:05] <k-dog> hksdu: In Korea, only old people need Marillat.
[09:05] <goldfish> lol
[09:05] <HulaBeagleSeb> i bought a dlink dwl-g122 54g usb stick and it works great with ndiswrapper and ubuntu
[09:05] <bck> cjdavis, are these file thought for executing after editing? :D
[09:05] <HulaBeagleSeb> i had to compile ndiswrapper 1.1 by hand
[09:05] <HulaBeagleSeb> but it look no time
[09:05] <JDigital> How do I make a symlink
[09:06] <holycow> k-dog, sudo apt-get install clamav?
[09:06] <goldfish> JDigital: ln -s
[09:06] <k-dog> JDigital: ln -s source target
[09:06] <holycow> >_>
[09:06] <JDigital> thx
[09:06] <hksdu> k-dog, what's that?
[09:06] <k-dog> holycow: Conflicts.
[09:06] <holycow> with?
[09:06] <karl> how long would it take to upload 120gig at 512kbps?
[09:06] <root> hi every one i have a problem with my cddrive because i can t see any file or anything when i put my cd on the drive
[09:06] <k-dog> holycow: Sec.
[09:06] <Choubaka> And in Finland, no-one needs anything. Now go away, I have a hangover!
[09:06] <Choubaka> ;)
[09:06] <cjdavis> bck, huh? say that again?
[09:06] <b2s> HulaBeagleSeb: I did that for my broadcom wireless-g also :)
[09:06] <goldfish> karl: Years :)
[09:06] <karl> yeah
[09:06] <karl> I'm gett 699 hours with my calculator
[09:06] <HulaBeagleSeb> b2s: i had a belkin broadcom card
[09:06] <goldfish> hehe
[09:06] <Epicenter> I set up a Ubuntu server and installed wu-ftpd on it, now when users log in they can upload files just fine, but when they try to delete them, they get a permission denied error. I checked and the files are owned by the user who uploaded them and their delete permission is not specifically revoked in the config file, only 'anonymous'' is . What would cause this?
[09:07] <HulaBeagleSeb> b2s: the bios on my laptop is rubbish so the cardbus won't work on ANY linux
[09:07] <geargolem> No SiS video driver support in Ubuntu
[09:07] <HulaBeagleSeb> b2s: so i went to PC World and bought a D-Link stick for 39
[09:07] <karl> someone just offered to upload it off me, but I don't think that will work :)
[09:07] <HulaBeagleSeb> snap!
[09:07] <b2s> HulaBeagleSeb: I actually wonder why ndiswrapper-1.1 isn't in hoary.  it probably doesn't break anything
[09:07] <bck> cjdavis, what after editing the file /etc/modprobe.d/sound (which i had to create)?
[09:07] <goldfish> karl: hah
[09:07] <bck> cjdavis, shall i execute the file?
[09:07] <goldfish> karl: Why do you want to upload 120gb ?
[09:07] <HulaBeagleSeb> b2s: it took me about 30 seconds to compile
[09:07] <cjdavis> bck nono
[09:07] <karl> I don't :)
[09:07] <goldfish> oh right
[09:07] <goldfish> lol
[09:07] <k-dog> goldfish: 124gb was all out of stock?
[09:08] <cjdavis> bck its used by modprobe when it runs
[09:08] <karl> I want to borrow a usb2/firewire harddrive with more than 120gig spare space on it.
[09:08] <goldfish> k-dog: ........
[09:08] <b2s> HulaBeagleSeb: it took me a couple hours to compile, but it was my first day of having installed ubuntu, and I've never run anything like debian before
[09:08] <k-dog> holycow: The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[09:08] <k-dog>   clamav: Depends: libclamav1 (>= 0.83) but it is not installable
[09:08] <k-dog>           Depends: libcurl3 (>= 7.12.3-1) which is a virtual package.
[09:08] <k-dog> holycow: ...and more similar.
[09:08] <karl> just for a couple of hours, but the only offer I've gotten so far is someone with the space who'll let me upload it to them, then download it after ntfs->fat32
[09:08] <b2s> HulaBeagleSeb: also I'm on amd64 so I had to edit the control files
[09:08] <HulaBeagleSeb> b2s: role on x86 ;-)
[09:08] <holycow> k-dog, oh don't forget ubuntu is based on debian unstable ... thats typical of things in universe not being patched/supported
[09:08] <k-dog> holycow: universe and hoary appear to be out of sync
[09:08] <cjdavis> bck, man modprobe.conf
[09:09] <k-dog> holycow: Um. yeah.
[09:09] <cjdavis> bck man modprobe
[09:09] <b2s> HulaBeagleSeb: heh.  anyway, me and transgress did up a wiki page on it, so it will be a much shorter problem next time :)
[09:09] <holycow> k-dog, i highly recommend using a debian sarge install for anything requiring those packages ... your not trying to use it on the desktop are you?
[09:09] <gaio> anyone with ftp client and ssl ?
[09:10] <karl> b2s wiki for what?
[09:10] <karl> clamav, or the wireless?
[09:10] <srbaker> what's the "n cups of Ubuntu" on the ubuntu forums?
[09:10] <HulaBeagleSeb> b2s: the ndiswrapper one?
[09:10] <HulaBeagleSeb> srbaker: how many posts you have made
[09:10] <b2s> karl: for amd64 ndiswrapper
[09:10] <HulaBeagleSeb> srbaker: more posts = more cups = more ubuntu
[09:10] <k-dog> holycow: It is a desktop.  clamav is mostly a district comfort (school) measure
[09:11] <karl> yeah, it's been fun.
[09:11] <JDigital> Thanks for help, guys :D
[09:11] <bck> cjdavis, hmm when i want to modprobe -r snd_cmipci it sais it's still in use
[09:11] <srbaker> ahh, thanks
[09:11] <karl> I can make ndiswrapper 1.1 and use it with my existing kernel
[09:11] <karl> but I've not been able to make a new kernel with ndis1.1
[09:11] <karl> not enoguh patch kungfu
[09:11] <geargolem> Why do I need nvidia-glx for a SiS video driver?
[09:11] <Zen> argh.. tvcard troubles.. anyone care to lend a hand?
[09:11] <cjdavis> bck, ah.. do a /etc/init.d/alsa force-unload
[09:12] <holycow> k-dog, are you sure you need clamav on an ubuntu desktop?  usually the proper place for clamav is on an smtp gateway that does antivirus and spam clipping for windows mail clients that recieve their mail from a separate pop/imap server?
[09:12] <jupiterste> If a computer has one hard drive, why does it show as /dev/hda in hdparm -i, yet /dev/hda1 in the Gnome System Monitor?
[09:12] <k-dog> holycow: This is a logic-free zone.
[09:12] <b2s> karl: patch kungfu?  I hadn't realized it would be difficult to upgrade
[09:12] <k-dog> holycow: All computers need AV installed on them.
[09:12] <k-dog> holycow: Public school district
[09:12] <Zen> argh.. tvcard troubles.. anyone care to lend a hand? please =)
[09:13] <karl> b2s: the ubuntu linux packages only have ndiswrapper 1.02 support in the tree
[09:13] <holycow> k-dog, rofl, oh you have an admin that requires you to have av on it regardless of os? hahaha
[09:13] <k-dog> jupiterste: hda1 == partition.  hda == drive.
[09:13] <karl> I guess I just wasn't l33t enough to make it all work.
[09:13] <k-dog> holycow: It makes other problems go away for us.
[09:13] <karl> I used up all my patch kungfu getting a delkin cardbus cf adaptor to work.
[09:13] <jupiterste> thanks k dog
[09:13] <k-dog> jupiterste: NP
[09:14] <holycow> k-dog, let me check
[09:14] <b2s> karl: yeah, ndiswrapper 0.12 didn't work for me at all.  but compiling the new version didn't require anything complicated.  are you sure you had the packages you needed (like linux-headers)?
[09:14] <Zen> yo anyone here want to help?
[09:14] <karl> b2s: I could compile the new version
[09:14] <karl> that was fine ;)
[09:14] <karl> that's how I got it to work.
[09:14] <k-dog> holycow: Alernatively I could try messing with pinning here, but that's a tad messy
[09:14] <b2s> ah
[09:14] <karl> but I needed a custom kernel for a different device
[09:14] <abood> hi all :)
[09:14] <bck> cjdavis, yeah ok i could remove it, now i used: "modprobe emu10k1" and it worked
[09:14] <karl> and Icouldn't get that kernel, and ndis1.1 at the same time
[09:14] <bck> cjdavis, bck@bck-linux:~$ lsmod | grep emu10k1
[09:14] <bck> emu10k1                71940  0
[09:14] <bck> sound                  74028  1 emu10k1
[09:14] <bck> ac97_codec             16780  1 emu10k1
[09:14] <bck> emu10k1_gp              3840  0
[09:14] <bck> gameport                4608  1 emu10k1_gp
[09:14] <holycow> k-dog, do you mind me asking, are you a student and how is it you are being allowed to even touch non ms stuff? :)
[09:15] <bck> soundcore               9824  2 emu10k1,sound
[09:15] <b2s> karl: the custom kernel was based on the ubuntu, or it was vanilla?
[09:15] <bck> cjdavis, you see the emu10k1 module is still not loaded, right?
[09:15] <karl> on ubuntu
[09:15] <k-dog> holycow: I'm volunteering here.  There was an extant but nascent lab I'm helping set up, mixed distros.
[09:15] <Zen> anybody?
[09:15] <Olsen> i'm trying to umount /dev/hdc1 from /mnt and says that is busy... how can i know what process is using /mnt or how can i force it?
[09:15] <b2s> karl: hmm, I can't see why that would have failed, but what do I know about ubuntu kernels? :)
[09:15] <k-dog> holycow: MDK, RH 9.0, SuSE 9.x, 2x Debian, 2x Ubuntu.
[09:15] <holycow> k-dog, no shit, cool! i'm firing up vmware to see if i get the same error
[09:16] <cjdavis> bck 1 sec
[09:16] <k-dog> Olsen: fuser -mv /dev/hdc1
[09:16] <k-dog> holycow: Thanks.
[09:16] <Olsen> k-dog, thx
[09:16] <abood> guys , New proplem :(, in my internet connection when i boot the pc and run my firefox maybe after 5 mins its get disconnected but the mirc is still connecting i dont know why and all the other stuff's stop ? any idea or help ?!
[09:16] <karl> b2s: me either!
[09:16] <karl> it was bad enough trying with the ubuntu 2.6.11 package :)
[09:16] <karl> it only works with inotify
[09:16] <jupiterste> k-dog: have you experienced any freeze up after a while of working in ubunt?  all of a sudden my whole system will slow to a crawl
[09:16] <karl> and guess what ndiswrapper needs?
[09:16] <karl> inotify!
[09:17] <Zen> look.. i need help.. a simple yes ill help or no piss of l' do.
[09:17] <karl> sorry, with noinotify
[09:17] <karl> zen: tv?
[09:17] <Olsen> k-dog, i got nothing as output
[09:17] <gaio> anyone with ftp client and ssl ?
[09:17] <cjdavis> bck, couple of things -- yes its loaded -- thats why its in the lsmod list, right? second, you want snd-emo10k1, NOT just emu10k1
[09:17] <k-dog> jupiterste: Usually that's a swap issue.  iostat / vmstat may be useful here.
[09:17] <cjdavis> bck, must leave for 5, brb
[09:17] <bck> cjdavis, no problem
[09:17] <k-dog> jupiterste: How much memory, what are you running, do you have hdparm configured.
[09:18] <b2s> Zen: probably have to be more specific about what the problem is
[09:18] <cjdavis> bck i'm back
[09:18] <jupiterste> k-dog: 512mb, IBM ThinkCenre A50 P4 2.8, i haven't touched hdparm, i'm kind of new to this
[09:19] <mainer> abood: re-sync your modem or re-initialize,irc needs leat amt. of bandwidth so will normally work,even if connection deteriorates,resatrt modem usually works,can depend on how firewalling is set-up.
[09:19] <cjdavis> bck you want to unload all those drivers you just loaded... they are for oss, not alsa
[09:19] <geargolem> Need help.  No 3d on Hoary.   SiS driver- no support on Hoary
[09:19] <cjdavis> bck use modprobe -r emu10k1
[09:19] <bck> cjdavis, oh :)
[09:19] <k-dog> jupiterste: As root:  'hdparm /dev/hda' shows settings.  'hdparm -tT /dev/hda' shows transfer rates.  Values of 10 MB/s => 80 MB/s+ for buffered *disk* (not cache) reads are good.
[09:19] <cjdavis> bck very very common mistake
[09:20] <cjdavis> not sure why they even have the oss modules in there
[09:20] <k-dog> jupiterste: using_dma should be on.
[09:20] <bck> cjdavis, ok i did that, do i have to load snd_emu10k1
[09:20] <holycow> k-dog, weird, it installs with no problems here ... ?
[09:21] <Markrian> geargolem, can you elaborate? What SiS card do you have?
[09:21] <cjdavis> bck i think so - modprobe snd_emu10k1
[09:21] <k-dog> holycow: My sources.list may be bogus.
[09:21] <abood> mainer, i restarted the networking, and also wont work ?!
[09:21] <k-dog> holycow: /join #flood ?
[09:21] <holycow> k-dog, i'm using the default ubuntu one .. nod ... joining
[09:21] <geargolem> (SiS) 630 / 730 PCI /AGP VGA Display Adapter, Markrian
[09:21] <SkyNet> how do i chage the root pass?
[09:21] <jupiterste> k-dog: using_dma = 1 (on), and buffered disk read is 54.81 MB/s
[09:22] <bck> cjdavis, ok: bck@bck-linux:~$ lsmod | grep emu10k1
[09:22] <bck> snd_emu10k1            81668  0
[09:22] <bck> i think the '0' is not good
[09:22] <cjdavis> bck nonono
[09:22] <Zen> yo all... right i have a tv card problem. I can view analog tv fine but then when i put the areal into my freeview box and plug it into the card via the yellow white + red wires it doesnt seem to see it
[09:23] <Epicenter> I set up a Ubuntu server and installed wu-ftpd on it, now when users log in they can upload files just fine, but when they try to delete them, they get a permission denied error. I checked and the files are owned by the user who uploaded them and their delete permission is not specifically revoked in the config file, only 'anonymous'' is . What would cause this?
[09:23] <Zen> which is a pain in the ass
[09:23] <cjdavis> bck - run lsmod | less
[09:23] <Markrian> geargolem, does that graphics card even do 3D at all? :p
[09:23] <hansderlutscher> d
[09:23] <k-dog> jupiterste: That's good values.
[09:23] <cjdavis> bck look at the header -- the number is the number of references to the module
[09:24] <geargolem> Markrian, it worked on WindowsME and when Hoary set it as an Nvidia Driver
[09:24] <cjdavis> bck it just means there aren't any programs accessing the driver yet
[09:24] <SkyNet> how do i chage the root pass? anyone?
[09:25] <mainer> sudo passwd
[09:25] <cjdavis> skynet sudo passwd
[09:25] <Zen> yo all again... right i have a tv card problem. I can view analog tv fine but then when i put the areal into my freeview box and plug it into the card via the yellow white + red wires it doesnt seem to see it.  can anyone here help me wih this?
[09:25] <cjdavis> right
[09:25] <bck> cjdavis, oh ok, i c, e.g. snd_rawmidi is used bi snd_emu10k1, but snd_emu10k1 is atm not used?
[09:25] <Markrian> geargolem.... what exactly is the problem? I don't understand then
[09:25] <cjdavis> bck exactly
[09:26] <SkyNet> thanks
[09:26] <bck> cjdavis, actually the sound should work?
[09:26] <cjdavis> bck run     aplay -l
[09:26] <cjdavis> bck should list outputs
[09:26] <cjdavis> bck     arecord -l    for inputs
[09:26] <geargolem> are you familiar with the program blender, Markrian?  it doesn't work.  I get the error 'Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0"
[09:26] <hansderlutscher> when i type sudo apt-get install ...  for the second time in a terminal, i have the following problem  "E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
[09:26] <hansderlutscher> "  what does that mean?
[09:27] <Markrian> geargolem, sorry, I can't help you, I've gotta go. Ask people about Mesa, and DRI
[09:27] <bck> cjdavis, card 0: Live [Sound Blaster Live!] , device 0: emu10k1 [EMU10K1] 
[09:27] <Ironfrost> hansderlutscher - do you have Synaptic open?
[09:27] <bck> cjdavis, card 0: Live [Sound Blaster Live!] , device 2: emu10k1 efx [EMU10K1 EFX] 
[09:27] <jupiterste> k-dog: ok maybe it's something weird that's just on this computer, cause I have an old celeron with 256mb ram, it acts as a ltsp server for 3 pcs, and that thing has never crashed like this new IBM does
[09:28] <bck> cjdavis, i think that looks good
[09:28] <hansderlutscher> yes
[09:28] <Ironfrost> you can't use Aptitude when Synaptic is running; close it then try again
[09:29] <cjdavis> bck great - you will need alsamixer to unmute outputs and volume levels, and a program to play something - aplay somewavfile.wav  or xmms, or...
[09:29] <hansderlutscher> i still have the problem
[09:29] <bck> cjdavis, YEAH after a "/etc/init.d/alsa restart the sound works very fine :D
[09:30] <hansderlutscher> synaptic closed
[09:30] <bck> cjdavis, THANK YOU very much, lifesaver, i cant live without sound ;)
[09:30] <cjdavis> bck sweet :)
[09:30] <cjdavis> bck now the question is, does it have multiple output channels?
[09:31] <Ironfrost> that's as far as I know I'm afraid - maybe someone else will be able to help you
[09:31] <HulaBeagleSeb> just wondering
[09:31] <HulaBeagleSeb> how do i use the mount command to mount a partition read AND write
[09:31] <hansderlutscher> however thx
[09:31] <karl> hula: you still having problems with that flash card?
[09:31] <daniel_erasmo> hi !
[09:31] <HulaBeagleSeb> e.g. mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt/cf1
[09:31] <bck> cjdavis, i think so: arecord and aplay shows a list of 32 subdevices..
[09:31] <HulaBeagleSeb> karl: nah, got it sorted
[09:31] <shinu> how can i make the alt button work under irssi in ubuntu?
[09:31] <karl> so what's wrong now?
[09:32] <hansderlutscher> how do i play real media files with vlc in ubuntu=
[09:32] <daniel_erasmo> I tried install the Ubuntu on my pc, but I received this message after first step of the installation: GRUB Hard Disk Error
[09:32] <karl> I thought your problem was you wanted rw for it and were't getting it?
[09:32] <daniel_erasmo> anybody knows this error ?
[09:32] <HulaBeagleSeb> nope something else
[09:32] <HulaBeagleSeb> how can i mount it rw
[09:32] <cjdavis> bck yes, i think thats the hardware mixer - but how about device 0:, device 1:....
[09:32] <mjr> shinu, it should work straight up (well, those that are reserved for existing tabs don't go through)
[09:33] <cjdavis> bck you are now at my point -- trying to play different stuff on the different devices....
[09:33] <b2s> shinu: beats me, but I set my windows button to "meta" so I use meta-4 and such to switch tabs
[09:33] <shinu> mjr: what keymap should i use? i had the uk english one by default
[09:33] <Ironfrost> hansderlutscher - maybe you could try using the command 'ps aux' to see if you have any other instances of apt-get that haven't closed properly?
[09:33] <mjr> shinu, well, I dunno. I have the finnish one
[09:33] <bck> cjdavis, oh, you have 2 soundcards too?
[09:33] <daniel_erasmo> I tried install the Ubuntu on my pc, but I received this message after first step of the installation: GRUB Hard Disk Error
[09:34] <shinu> mjr: oh right :D
[09:34] <shinu> b2s: i would prefer the alt button. how did you do yours?
[09:34] <mjr> shinu, what terminal did you use?
[09:34] <cjdavis> bck, no just a card with 4/6 channel output
[09:34] <shinu> mjr: xterm
[09:34] <mjr> shinu, ah. Well. Right.
[09:34] <shinu> mjr: will it get fixed if i switch to xfce?
[09:35] <mjr> you probably need to set some x resources for that
[09:35] <bck> cjdavis, hmm i dont know what you mean, i'll send you the output of aplay -l by qry ok?
[09:35] <Olsen> if i remove esd all my programs that are compiled dinamically though esd will be removed too ? :S
[09:35] <cjdavis> ok
[09:35] <shinu> ugly...
[09:35] <mjr> shinu, xterm is xterm
[09:35] <daniel_erasmo> somebody can help me?
[09:35] <mjr> whether under xfce or something else
[09:35] <shinu> mjr: i used to have xterm under fedora and it worked well
[09:36] <mjr> yes, it's configurable
[09:36] <mjr> just arcane
[09:36] <b2s> shinu: mine is set in xorg (it was asked during the install)... but you can also set it from an x terminal with the command "setxkbmap -option -option altwin:meta_win" (just end after the first option to reset all options)
[09:36] <Markrian> daniel_erasmo, what was the exact error?
[09:36] <Epicenter> I set up a Ubuntu server and installed wu-ftpd on it, now when users log in they can upload files just fine, but when they try to delete them, they get a permission denied error. I checked and the files are owned by the user who uploaded them and their delete permission is not specifically revoked in the config file, only 'anonymous'' is . What would cause this?
[09:37] <daniel_erasmo> Markrian, after the first step of the installation
[09:37] <cjdavis> bck, i mean multi channels like  - front l/r,  rear l/r
[09:38] <shinu> b2s: what it did is just switched the function of the alt button to the windows button, but still didnt work to switch tabs in irssi
[09:38] <Olsen> can i remove esd without removing my existing programs that are compiled though it, like gnome...
[09:38] <daniel_erasmo> when I was to initiate the machine
[09:38] <k-dog> holycow: Looks like I had a bad sources.list, thanks.
[09:39] <shinu> b2s: though my esc button is working as a meta button properly
[09:39] <bck> cjdavis, oh, do you know a way to test this? =)
[09:39] <b2s> shinu: well, you can clear options with 'setxkbmap -option', but using meta_win did work for me (I'm currently in irssi)
[09:40] <shinu> :/
[09:40] <cjdavis> bck, thats where i am at
[09:40] <shinu> b2s: i did clear the options but it just returns to what it was before...
[09:40] <bck> cjdavis, ok
[09:41] <b2s> shinu: :/ well, clearing the options would do that, but I don't know why turning on altwin:meta_win wouldn't work for you like it does for me
[09:41] <cjdavis> heres where i need help: does anybody know how to use the alsa config files in /usr/share/alsa/cards ???
[09:42] <HulaBeagleSeb> hey all
[09:42] <shinu> b2s: all it did  is switched functions between the alt and the windows button
[09:42] <HulaBeagleSeb> btw, there was a long forums post about openoffice.org2 and ubuntu
[09:42] <shinu> b2s: is it any different when im on laptop?
[09:42] <HulaBeagleSeb> it gave a link to some unofficals deb for the latest version of oo2 beta
[09:42] <HulaBeagleSeb> anyone know where it is?
[09:42] <b2s> shinu: its not supposed to. it should leave alt as alt, and set windows as meta
[09:42] <b2s> shinu: I'm on a laptop.
[09:43] <cjdavis> bck, you probably want /usr/share/alsa/cards/EMU10K1.conf
[09:44] <cjdavis> bck this is what i'm trying to figure out - there must be a simple way to specify these conf files
[09:44] <XTCboarder> does somebody have engage running under gnome?
[09:45] <XTCboarder> (enlightement's engage)
[09:45] <kakalto> g'morning all
[09:45] <kakalto> I gotta try out enlightenment soon
[09:45] <k-dog> kakalto: I'd suggest temporary exhaltation first.
[09:45] <bck> cjdavis, specify?
[09:45] <hansderlutscher> how do i play real media files with vlc in ubuntu=
[09:45] <HulaBeagleSeb> hansdelutscher: get real media player for linux
[09:45] <occy> how do I export a path:   export $PATH=$PATH:/usr/java/jre1.5.0_02/bin   doesn't seem to work.
[09:46] <HulaBeagleSeb> hansderlutscher: www.ubuntuguide.org
[09:46] <hansderlutscher> thx
[09:46] <kakalto> k-dog, temporary exhaltation?
[09:46] <HulaBeagleSeb> hansderlutscher: it tells you there how to install it
[09:46] <cjdavis> bck, these are alsa config files to specify the features of your specific audio card
[09:46] <b2s> shinu: you could also try altwin:left_meta_win (which affects only one side of the keyboard)
[09:46] <kakalto> k-dog, I just work up, please say it simply, os I can understand
[09:46] <k-dog> kakalto: It's a substitute for true enlightenment.
[09:46] <kakalto> *so
[09:46] <occy> HulaBeagleSeb: ubuntuguide.org's sources.list are broken ATM.
[09:46] <kakalto> ahh
[09:46] <HulaBeagleSeb> occy: i just remove the backports and it works fine
[09:47] <occy> HulaBeagleSeb: hmmm, maybe the backports are were jre 1.5 is
[09:47] <kakalto> thanks, I needed that :)
[09:47] <HulaBeagleSeb> occy: it must be
[09:47] <HulaBeagleSeb> occy: until now, it had to be installed by hand via sun
[09:47] <occy> HulaBeagleSeb: know how to export your path?
[09:47] <Zugot> occy: export PATH=$PATH:/usr/java/jre1.5.0_02/bin
[09:47] <shinu> b2s: i just did what you told me, pressing "windows"+"2" gives me 
[09:47] <occy> ahh
[09:48] <pablo928> occy the link for RealPlayer download just worked for me.
[09:48] <shinu> b2s: sorry i got disconnected :/
[09:48] <SkyNet> guys i get this error
[09:48] <SkyNet> Media change: please insert the disc labeled
[09:48] <SkyNet>  'Ubuntu 5.04 _Hoary Hedgehog_ - Release i386 (20050407)'
[09:48] <SkyNet> in the drive '/cdrom/' and press enter
[09:48] <b2s> shinu: wow, that's interesting
[09:48] <SkyNet> when installing sshd what is it any ideas?
[09:48] <bck> cjdavis, oh i c
[09:48] <occy> Zugot: doh
[09:48] <occy> forgot my first $
[09:48] <occy> :)
[09:48] <shinu> b2s: partly... but for me its rather... annyoing? xD
[09:48] <occy> *chuckle*
[09:49] <djp> can anyone tell me where in ubuntu you go to manage default file types?
[09:50] <aeho> what package I need to play mp3:s
[09:50] <b2s> shinu: hmm, well, the default is supposed to be altwin:meta_alt (where pressing alt results in both a meta and an alt)... that doesn't let me switch tabs in irssi though
[09:50] <Epicenter> Why would ProFTPD, PureFTPD or FTPD (anything but wu_ftpd) make all users unable to even TRY to log in? As it SHOULD prompt the client for a login it instead just times out. What the hell?
[09:50] <lazarus> How to install sshd and start it?
[09:50] <Ironfrost> SkyNet -I had the same problem (in my case there were corrupted files on the install disc) and got around it by commenting the CD out of the aptitude sources list
[09:50] <occy> tx guys.... bbiab
[09:50] <Ironfrost> there is probably a better solution, but that one definitely works
[09:50] <gahan> any apt guru here? i did sid->hoary today, and i'm sure some packages weren't refreshed, i wish my box to become 100% ubuntu.. but i dotn want to reinstall all pkgs, just those which werent refreshed with dist-upgrade
[09:50] <shinu> b2s: oh... any way i could "fix" that?
[09:51] <shinu> b2s: are you using an english keyboard mapping?
[09:51] <mjr> b2s, shinu, the problem is most likely not in the keyboard mapping, but xterm settings, as I implied
[09:51] <djp> can anyone tell me where in ubuntu you go to manage default file types?
[09:51] <k-dog> holycow: Thanks again.
[09:51] <k-dog> djp: gconf / nautilus AFAIR.
[09:52] <shinu> mjr: and where can i change those option and how?
[09:52] <mjr> *shrug*, look for xterm xresources
[09:52] <b2s> shinu: I just switched to gb keymap, and altwin:meta_win still works for me
[09:52] <karl> keyboards suck in linux
[09:52] <karl> infinite control, with infintinte complexity
[09:52] <karl> why can't dead keys be smart?
[09:53] <karl> there's no 't so just print 't!
[09:53] <shinu> karl: another question arises xD what are the dead keys?
[09:53] <mjr> shinu, apparently this is in the irssi Startup HOWTO
[09:53] <shinu> mjr: oh cool
[09:53] <shinu> mjr: gonna have a look then
[09:53] <kakalto> ubuntu is so great - it runs everything of mine
[09:53] <kakalto> :)
[09:53] <karl> dead keys are typing ' or " or ~ beofre a letter
[09:53] <karl> so you can make things like 
[09:54] <shinu> uh...
[09:54] <lazarus> How to install sshd and start it in kubuntu? Any how-to?
[09:54] <karl> on windows, you type ' then a to make 
[09:54] <djp> k-dog: gconf, nautilus? sorry can you help me out with that? bit confused :oops:
[09:54] <karl> and if you type ' then t, (like in can't)
[09:54] <karl> it just works as expected
[09:54] <karl> on linux, with the us_intl (with deadkeys)
[09:54] <karl> pressing 't fails, as there's no accent modified t
[09:54] <karl> which is DUMB
[09:55] <shinu> ah...
[09:55] <kakalto> yay
[09:55] <kakalto> america's army is finished
[09:56] <kakalto> thank god for torrents
[09:57] <GammaRay> and thank god for america's army! hu-ra!
[09:58] <transgress> i do not like that game
[09:58] <transgress> especially the "you gotta run the stupid training shit" before you can play
[09:58] <Epicenter> Why would ProFTPD, PureFTPD or FTPD (anything but wu_ftpd) make all users unable to even TRY to log in? As it SHOULD prompt the client for a login it instead just times out. What the hell?
[09:59] <hansderlutscher> i just installed realplayer10, when opening there is an error message: cant start, file not found
[09:59] <transgress> Epicenter: is the service going?
[09:59] <Epicenter> And when I use WuFTPd, even though I'm told it's an enormous security risk and  I shouldn't, I'm miraculously able to log in but I can't DELETE anything despite that I set permissios to delete in the config file
[09:59] <hansderlutscher> need help
[09:59] <Epicenter> transgress: yes
[09:59] <GammaRay> transgress: you must understand.. you are a worthless maggot! they must inform you of this to make sure you take orrders in ROTC! hu-ra!
[09:59] <Epicenter> well, I thought it was
[09:59] <djp> can anyone tell me where in ubuntu you go to manage default file types? have looked in the gconf folder but am somewhat confused...
[09:59] <Epicenter> I tried vsftpd now, when I Enter vsftpd .. I get
[09:59] <Epicenter> 500 OOPS oculd not bind to ipv4 socket
[10:00] <Epicenter> no other FTP daemons I am aware of are running
[10:00] <transgress> Epicenter: that means an ftpd is already running
[10:00] <Epicenter> transgress: How would I Check which?
[10:00] <transgress> netstat?
[10:00] <Epicenter> I removed all the others :P
[10:00] <transgress> removing and stopping are two very different things
[10:00] <GammaRay> djp: right click on a file -> properties
[10:00] <Epicenter> Removing and rebooting should stop them permanently..
[10:01] <transgress> you reboot?
[10:01] <transgress> weird...
[10:01] <shinu> mjr: is it normal that i dont have a .Xresources file?
[10:01] <GammaRay> yes
[10:01] <kakalto> what dev package includes the command "yacc"?
[10:01] <Epicenter> I did netstat -l and I see no FTP daemons listed.
[10:01] <GammaRay> kakalto: use apt-file
[10:01] <b2s> shinu: I don't have one either :)  also, I opened up irssi in a standard terminal, and I can only switch windows using alt instead of meta! weird... clearly a terminal thing though
[10:01] <transgress> god hates your ftp server?
[10:01] <djp> GammaRay: ahh, sure. my problem is actually that i want to edit the default file type that is used by firefox. i want to clear the list of apps that are used to open a file. any ideas?
[10:02] <XandriX> jdub, are u there ?
[10:02] <kakalto> GammaRay, "apt-file yacc" ?
[10:02] <paulfox> hiya all.
[10:03] <paulfox> if i want to set a gamma level each time i log in, which .bash file do i put the command in?
[10:03] <lunitik> paulfox: gamma would be an X setting, surely?
[10:03] <mjr> paulfox, none; those aren't run with a graphical logi
[10:03] <mjr> n
[10:03] <kakalto> oh, nm
[10:03] <kakalto> apt-file is teh package?
[10:03] <Zen> argh.. i have tv card problems and im fed up of it. All i want is to be able to view the output from my freeview box but i just cant seem to do it. Can anyone remotely help?
[10:03] <mjr> shinu, usually you don't by default
[10:03] <lunitik> kakalto: apt-get install apt-file
[10:03] <paulfox> right, so where's the right place?
[10:04] <GammaRay> kakalto: sudo apt-file update; apt-file search yacc
[10:04] <Zen> any help is liked
[10:04] <lunitik> Zen: you have tried tvtime?
[10:04] <mjr> paulfox, well, you could create a runnable ~/.xsession script that first sets the gamma and then execs gnome-session
[10:05] <paulfox> mjr, what if i use gdm to log in? how to i tell gdm to execute .xsession?
[10:05] <lunitik> Zen: don't message me
[10:05] <ivoks> paulfox if u figure that out, tell me
[10:05] <mjr> paulfox, but a nicer solution would probably be to tell gdm to do it from /etc/gdm/PreSession, for example
[10:05] <hansderlutscher> i have realmedi10 installed, how can i delete this program completely?
[10:05] <GammaRay> mjr: why not exec whatever you're gonna exec from gnome-session?
[10:05] <shinu> mjr: so i just create one right?
[10:05] <mjr> paulfox, actually, it does
[10:05] <mjr> GammaRay, hmm, good point ;)
[10:06] <XandriX> anyone know if jdub is there
[10:06] <Remenic> whahaha, well ubuntu, it's time to remove libjpeg! http://www.itworld.com/Man/2687/050422forgentms/
[10:06] <mjr> paulfox, so yeah, add it to the gnome-session like gammaray said, from session preferences
[10:06] <transgress> jdub: you there?
[10:06] <travail101> did linux-wlan-ng make into into the final Hoary LiveCD?
[10:06] <mjr> though if you want it globally, do it in gdm
[10:06] <paulfox> will do, cheers mjr, GammaRay
[10:06] <shinu> b2s: on gnome-terminal alt works fine as meta... meh... xD
[10:06] <transgress> i don't think he's there
[10:06] <XandriX> dang
[10:06] <Zen> any help?
[10:06] <XandriX> ive bin trying to talk to him fro 3 days now
[10:07] <mjr> paulfox, /etc/gdm/Init/Default seems like a good place for something like that if you want it for the whole family
[10:07] <hansderlutscher> i have realmedi10 installed, how can i delete this program completely?
[10:07] <lunitik> hansderlutscher: you compiled it?
[10:07] <kakalto> thanks, GammaRay
[10:08] <Zen> ok.. ill say again. argh.. i have tv card problems and im fed up of it. All i want is to be able to view the output from my freeview box but i just cant seem to do it. Can anyone remotely help?
[10:08] <shinu> how can i change from graphical login to text login?
[10:08] <hansderlutscher> no i downloaded it
[10:08] <koalah> ot, but is it normal to be scanned on port 25 when I connect?
[10:08] <koalah> on here
[10:08] <lunitik> hansderlutscher: it was a .deb?
[10:08] <XandriX> wanna here a funny fact
[10:09] <GarySaved> I can not believe how much it bothers me to not have the Latest/Greatist version.  I will be glad when Breezy stableizes some.
[10:09] <hansderlutscher> lunitik: a .bin
[10:09] <lunitik> shinu: perminantly, you'd need to change it in sysv-rc-conf
[10:09] <hansderlutscher> realplay-10.0.4.750-linux-2.2-libc6-gcc32-i586.bin
[10:09] <XandriX> my friend told me hey bro check it ubuntu just got out a new version hoary hedgehog and u her horny hedgehog lol
[10:09] <shinu> lunitik: cool thanks
[10:09] <ivoks> GarySaved how can i use breezy? :)
[10:09] <lunitik> hansderlutscher: just remove the dir it threw things in...
[10:10] <lunitik> shinu: I usually use rcconf, but apparently that replaces it  :)
[10:10] <lunitik> ivoks: if you don't know, you probably shouldn't be
[10:10] <ivoks> :)
[10:10] <ivoks> don't wory :)
[10:10] <hansderlutscher> lunitik: thats all and the shortcuts will dissapear too?
[10:10] <GammaRay> lunitik: did I somehow miss what you said to shinu?
[10:10] <shinu> lunitik: and where is susv-rc-conf? ^^'
[10:10] <GarySaved> I switched to it, then went back to Hoary.
[10:10] <lunitik> hansderlutscher: .bin files generally don't throw things everywhere...
[10:11] <dave_> how do u get the sound to work for doom under linux, and how do u get quake 2 for linux to work 2
[10:11] <lunitik> GammaRay: I told him to use sysv-rc-conf
[10:11] <ivoks> dave_ killall -9 esd
[10:11] <ivoks> try then
[10:11] <ivoks> i hate esd
[10:11] <dave_> whats esd?
[10:11] <lunitik> shinu: apt-get install sysv-rc-conf ... it is in universe
[10:11] <dave_> esound?
[10:11] <transgress> i love esd
[10:12] <ivoks> esd is ok for xmms, mplayer, xine, etc...
[10:12] <lunitik> transgress: no one loves ESD... it is crap
[10:12] <ivoks> but games don't do esd :)
[10:12] <transgress> it helps me a lot on getting multiple sounds on my lappy with onboard sound
[10:12] <transgress> wanna play games in linux?  get a non shitty sound card and you don't need esd
[10:12] <dave_> laptop gaming lol
[10:12] <dave_> travel gaming
[10:13] <transgress> yeah i don't game on my lappy so eh
[10:13] <ivoks> lunitik breezy has gcc4.0 I see..
[10:13] <lunitik> ivoks: uhh... yeah
[10:13] <Li-Venom> is there a ubuntu specific method to auto probe for video card and get the missing xserver module ?
[10:13] <ivoks> ok, i'm new in ubuntu...
[10:13] <ivoks> is breezy like sarge or sid? :)
[10:13] <transgress> sid i'd imagine
[10:13] <ivoks> from the development point of view
[10:14] <lunitik> ivoks: breezy is sid with a few packages from hoary still (ie xorg and gnome 2.10
[10:14] <lunitik> )
[10:14] <Seveas> breezy is, like warty and hoary, based on sid
[10:14] <ivoks> ok
[10:14] <bad_mongo> anyone know how I install acroread, flash and java in kubuntu?
[10:14] <hussam> are there any debian ( not ubuntu.com ) apt repositories that I can add?
[10:14] <ivoks> so, there isn't much point in switch
[10:15] <Seveas> bad_mongo, read the RestrictedFormats page on the wiki
[10:15] <ivoks> hussam yeah, mplayer
[10:15] <bad_mongo> Seveas, thank's
[10:15] <ivoks> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat testing main
[10:15] <dave_> so with the quake2 package thats was listed in package manager, how do i get that working?
[10:15] <transgress> hussam: so far the only one's i've needed are multiverse and universe repos
[10:15] <camcorder> what's the equivalent of chkconfig in ubuntu? which is used for enabling or disabling services in runlevels?
[10:15] <Seveas> ivoks, switch from what to what?
[10:15] <pablo928> bad_mongo:www.ubuntuguide.org will set you up
[10:15] <ivoks> Seveas hoary to breezy
[10:16] <hussam> ivoks: ok thanks
[10:16] <Seveas> ivoks, if you are not an experienced user, DON'T switch
[10:16] <Seveas> breezy will show lots of breakages the coming weeks
[10:16] <|QuaD-> out of curiosity, does muine work for anyone? i have had it for a few months now, and it has never worked
[10:16] <SkyNet> sudo passwd wont change the root password. any idea what can be wrong?
[10:16] <dantheman> has anyone here installed gmail notifier?
[10:16] <ivoks> Seveas thanks for concerne, but i'm using debian for couple of years...
[10:16] <ivoks> SkyNet sudo passwd root
[10:16] <Seveas> SkyNet, sudo passwd root
[10:16] <Seveas> ivoks, sid?
[10:16] <transgress> dun do it!
[10:17] <ivoks> Seveas from potato to sid
[10:17] <dave_> ive added the extra reps in the guide but now i get these error when runnign package manager: W: Couldn't stat source package list http://backports.ubuntuforums.org hoary-backports/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/backports.ubuntuforums.org_backports_dists_hoary-backports_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[10:17] <dave_> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://backports.ubuntuforums.org hoary-backports/universe Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/backports.ubuntuforums.org_backports_dists_hoary-backports_universe_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[10:17] <dave_> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://backports.ubuntuforums.org hoary-backports/multiverse Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/backports.ubuntuforums.org_backports_dists_hoary-backports_multiverse_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[10:17] <|QuaD-> Seveas: why do you think ti will break in the next few weeks?
[10:17] <dave_> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://backports.ubuntuforums.org hoary-backports/restricted Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/backports.ubuntuforums.org_backports_dists_hoary-backports_restricted_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[10:17] <kakalto> woah
[10:17] <ivoks> MAN!
[10:17] <transgress> oh fuck
[10:17] <dave_> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://backports.ubuntuforums.org hoary-extras/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/backports.ubuntuforums.org_backports_dists_hoary-extras_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[10:17] <transgress> i hate you
[10:17] <dave_> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://backports.ubuntuforums.org hoary-extras/universe Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/backports.ubuntuforums.org_backports_dists_hoary-extras_universe_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[10:17] <ivoks> omg
[10:17] <Seveas> ivoks, yeah, but ubuntu's developmens breaks harder
[10:17] <dave_> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://backports.ubuntuforums.org hoary-extras/multiverse Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/backports.ubuntuforums.org_backports_dists_hoary-extras_multiverse_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[10:17] <kakalto> dave_, #flood !
[10:17] <transgress> and i'm going to eat your fucking children
[10:17] <transgress> kick this fucker!
[10:17] <Seveas> dave_, CUT IT OUT IDIOTQ
[10:17] <dave_> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://backports.ubuntuforums.org hoary-extras/restricted Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/backports.ubuntuforums.org_backports_dists_hoary-extras_restricted_binary-i386_Packages)
[10:17] <Seveas> !!
[10:17] <dave_> sorry
[10:17] <ivoks> Seveas nice to know that :)
[10:17] <dave_> didnt knwo it was that big!
[10:17] <Seveas> ivoks, it's for the better
[10:17] <kakalto> dave_, haven't you ever heard of a pastebin or #flood ?
[10:17] <transgress> i'm still gonna eat your children
[10:17] <transgress> dave_: anything over 4 lines is too big
[10:18] <dave_> a pastebin?
[10:18] <ivoks> Seveas well... time will tell
[10:18] <Seveas> |QuaD-, gcc4 for wxample
[10:18] <Seveas> that'll break a lot, but they'll fix it as fast as possible
[10:18] <|QuaD-> because of the flooding, no one probably read my last question, does muine work for anyone
[10:18] <transgress> dave_: you need to read the rules on freenode.net
[10:18] <|QuaD-> Seveas: my gcc4 never broke
[10:18] <camcorder> how can I put a service to start up in boot ?
[10:18] <ivoks> Seveas turn that "they" into "we"
[10:18] <ivoks> camcorder use ln :)
[10:18] <Seveas> |QuaD-, gcc4 also introduces an abi change for C++
[10:19] <|QuaD-> ok
[10:19] <Seveas> means a recompilation for everything
[10:19] <root> camcorder you need to go to settings
[10:19] <Seveas> and more things like that :)
[10:19] <|QuaD-> Seveas: right
[10:19] <ivoks> camcorder like ln -s /etc/init.d/my-nice-program /etc/rc2.d/S99program
[10:19] <Seveas> |QuaD-, there'll also be a kernel update shortly after UdU
[10:19] <ivoks> Seveas yeah, gcc4 is big step
[10:19] <ivoks> all distros will have problems
[10:19] <Seveas> indeed
[10:19] <|QuaD-> Seveas: right, lots being released after udu
[10:19] <shinu> lunitik: for which runlevel should i disable gdm?
[10:19] <ivoks> Seveas kernel update?
[10:20] <Seveas> ivoks, yeah
[10:20] <ivoks> what kernel update?
[10:20] <lunitik> shinu: Debian only uses runlevel 2
[10:20] <Seveas> 2.6.11
[10:20] <ivoks> that's not big update
[10:20] <ivoks> only thing that breaks is ALPS touchpad
[10:20] <ivoks> in 2.6.11
[10:20] <Seveas> ivoks, well, they're doing more than just the kernel update i believe
[10:20] <ivoks> that they'll need to change/fix
[10:20] <Seveas> hardware support review oslt
[10:21] <mwylde> Ubuntu won't let me set the resolution of my monitor higher than 1024x768
[10:21] <ivoks> well.. time to go to bed :)
[10:21] <ivoks> long day tomorrow
[10:21] <ivoks> bye all
[10:21] <mwylde> Do I need to install new video card drivers?
[10:21] <XTCboarder> can anybody help me with iptables? i can't have access to my computer from internet (eth0) but i can from my home lan (eth1), and i have some iptables commands i copied from somewhere whicch let me share my inet connection... can anybody help me making avilable port 80 and some other?
[10:21] <ivoks> XTCboarder ADSL?
[10:21] <XTCboarder> i think
[10:21] <XTCboarder> so
[10:21] <ivoks> XTCboarder if yes, then it isn't eth0, but ppp0
[10:22] <XTCboarder> ah no
[10:22] <ivoks> bye
[10:22] <XTCboarder> it's eth0
[10:22] <donar73> good evening to all!
[10:22] <XTCboarder> it uses a cable dsl
[10:22] <ivoks> XTCboarder ifconfig says only lo, eth0 and eth1?
[10:22] <Seveas> ivoks, not neccessarily
[10:22] <XTCboarder> yeah, i have lo, eth0 and eth1 only
[10:22] <ivoks> Seveas i know, here are all pppoe
[10:22] <XTCboarder> eth0 configures by dhcp
[10:23] <ivoks> so i tought...
[10:23] <camcorder> hmm well i installed ssh-server, and now i'm doing ssh start, but it just fails and no logs to nowhere
[10:23] <Seveas> I have adsl, but the modem I got does the adsl stuff, so I still have eth0 :)
[10:23] <ivoks> well... night! :)
[10:23] <concept10> anyone here use gmail
[10:23] <camcorder> hmm seems like it fail coz it's already running :P
[10:23] <ivoks> Seveas modem is in routing mode
[10:23] <ivoks> that sucks
[10:23] <mwylde> yeah
[10:23] <aeho> Can someone tell me name of CD-ripper what can do mp3:s?
[10:23] <Seveas> concept10, /me
[10:23] <mwylde> concept10: yeah
[10:23] <Nekrataal> ji
[10:23] <SkyNet> hmm whenever i want to sudo, it keeps asking me the old password, although supposedly i have change it with sudo passwd root
[10:23] <Nekrataal> i have a question
[10:23] <SkyNet> any ideas?
[10:23] <Seveas> ivoks, no, doesn't suck
[10:23] <XTCboarder> seveas but that's not a normal conecttion... that's for getting online more computers and modems act as a router
[10:23] <concept10> does gmail allow you to have different email addresses?
[10:23] <ivoks> Seveas yeah, it does :)
[10:23] <ivoks> bye :)
[10:23] <ivoks> EOD :)
[10:23] <Nekrataal> is there any way to limit the Disk space on the home folder for other users?
[10:23] <XTCboarder> :(
[10:24] <thegreedyturtle> you need an invite concept10?
[10:24] <XTCboarder> anyway
[10:24] <Seveas> concept10, yes
[10:24] <concept10> or should I send a invite to myself
[10:24] <mjr> SkyNet, sudo wants your user pass, you changed the root pass
[10:24] <XTCboarder> can somebody help me with iptableS?
[10:24] <thegreedyturtle> you can invite yourself
[10:24] <concept10> thanks
[10:24] <thegreedyturtle> aeho: CD-EX
[10:24] <concept10> I still have 50 invites
[10:24] <transgress> to gmail?
[10:24] <Nekrataal> i mean, i have a sister, and shee has an acount, but she's getting my hard drive full of Her stupid ass music, so i want to limit the Hard disk space she can use, how can i do that in ubuntu?
[10:24] <lunitik> concept10: everyone does... use 20... a few hours later, you get 50 more
[10:25] <Seveas> Nekrataal, read up on disk quota
[10:25] <transgress> i have 100 heh because i made a second account
[10:25] <transgress> concept10: gmailFS
[10:25] <concept10> heh, wide open
[10:25] <XTCboarder> :(
[10:25] <concept10> transgress: whats that?
[10:25] <dantheman> does anyone know a good gmail notifier for the tray or desktop?
[10:25] <thegreedyturtle> evolution works with gmail
[10:25] <transgress> concept10: you can mount gmail as a filesystem
[10:25] <thegreedyturtle> don't know how it does notifications
[10:26] <Seveas> dantheman, use a regular mail notifier
[10:26] <thegreedyturtle> trillian has some gmail plugins
[10:26] <transgress> thegreedyturtle: only if you turn on pop mail for gmail
[10:26] <thegreedyturtle> right
[10:26] <dantheman> seveas: such as?
[10:26] <concept10> transgress: are u the same transgress from #fedora
[10:26] <Seveas> dantheman, there are gdesklets for it
[10:26] <transgress> yeah
[10:26] <transgress> i was in there for my short bout with fedora
[10:26] <kakalto> fedora comes with too much stuff, I say
[10:26] <mwylde> Ubuntu won't let me set the resolution of my monitor higher than 1024x768
[10:26] <thegreedyturtle> how many official ubuntu rooms are there?
[10:26] <mwylde> Does anyone know what the problem might be?
[10:26] <concept10> transgress: ooohhhh, im telling the boys
[10:26] <QMario> How do I make Perl print out random numbers in a certain range?
[10:26] <lunitik> concept10: #fedora folks have to identify... so it is always the same person if you saw the username there  ;)
[10:26] <Seveas> thegreedyturtle, a lot :)
[10:27] <transgress> i almost put fedora on my lappy (well did... but didn't even use it) and eventually decided to go with ubuntu
[10:27] <transgress> concept10: tell them i said gentoo was better ;)
[10:27] <lunitik> QMario: #perl might be more useful
[10:27] <kakalto> mwylde, did you allow for higher resoulutions when you configured xorg during installation/configuration?
[10:27] <concept10> transgress: ;)
[10:27] <QMario> lunitik, I'm banned. :(
[10:27] <transgress> haha now why is that?
[10:27] <lunitik> QMario: good job
[10:27] <XTCboarder> mwylde try configuring your X11 setup
[10:27] <QMario> Are you being sarcastic?
[10:28] <concept10> i still use fedora but I like ubuntu and the community
[10:28] <transgress> yes he was
[10:28] <XTCboarder> /etc/X11/xorg.config if u use xorg
[10:28] <lunitik> QMario: never, I don't even know the meaning of the word
[10:28] <QMario> He does it again..
[10:28] <XTCboarder> or x86 something.config id u use cfree86
[10:28] <transgress> i find ubuntu runs quite a bit faster than fedora does
[10:29] <thegreedyturtle> how do i get a list of official ubuntu chat rooms?
[10:29] <QMario> Can someone ask that question in the #perl channel?
[10:29] <concept10> maybe, the only reason I havent installed ubuntu is because I like the fedora/rh tools
[10:29] <transgress> thegreedyturtle: /list
[10:29] <QMario> The question is:  How do I make Perl print out random numbers in a certain range?
[10:29] <lunitik> QMario: no... but you could try asking google?
[10:29] <QMario> Thank You.
[10:29] <shinu> lunitik: for which runlevel should i disable gdm? 5?
[10:29] <lunitik> shinu: no... 2
[10:29] <shinu> uh...
[10:29] <shinu> damn
[10:29] <Seveas> thegreedyturtle, #ubuntu #uvuntu-devel #ubuntu-kernel #ubuntu-meeting #ubuntu-love #ubuntu-motu and a lot of #ubuntu-$LANGUAGE rooms
[10:29] <shinu> thanks lunitik
[10:30] <lunitik> shinu: by default, Ubuntu/Debian, only uses 2
[10:30] <thegreedyturtle> Seveas: thanks much
[10:30] <concept10> transgress: do you miss anything about fedora?
[10:30] <transgress> concept10: no
[10:30] <shinu> lunitik: oh right... gotta relearn that bit :)
[10:30] <concept10> transgress: everything working for you
[10:30] <transgress> concept10: it's good and all... i wouldn't mind it all if i were running a large network
[10:30] <concept10> ?
[10:30] <dantheman> can someone tell me how to install something from a tar.gz file?
[10:30] <dantheman> ls
[10:30] <transgress> concept10: but i like things like say... custom kernels
[10:30] <Seveas> dantheman, usually it is the configure, make, make install dace
[10:31] <Seveas> what are you trying to install?
[10:31] <concept10> transgress: custom kernels with ubuntu?
[10:31] <transgress> concept10: yeah everything works great for me... i put gentoo on that box and ubuntu on my lappy, and slack on my server...
[10:31] <mwylde> concept10: I've recently install ubuntu (I'm dual booting with FC3) and I miss the developer tools that are part of the default installation of FC.
[10:31] <transgress> concept10: yeah i'll be doing 2.6.12 on it soon
[10:31] <kakalto> isn't it amazing how much we say to each other via text
[10:31] <agenteo> a friend of mine has a problem on its monitor resolution with the ubuntu live cd, he said it's a 15' do you think editing the XF86Config he can change the refresh or make the X server work?
[10:31] <QMario> dantheman, tar -xvzf filename.tar.gz
[10:31] <Seveas> mwylde, apt-get install build-essential
[10:31] <thegreedyturtle> concept10: ubuntu requires a 2.6 kernel at least
[10:31] <transgress> kakalto: i'm on 4 channels on this server, 2 on another and 4 on another... heh i lost that feeling a while back
[10:32] <concept10> I was thinking 2.8
[10:32] <Jimmothy> does ubuntu come with irssi already installed? and if so, compiled with perl support?
[10:32] <shinu> thanks a lot for help, ill probably need some more later on :D
[10:32] <shinu> gtg bye
[10:32] <Seveas> Jimmothy, apt-get install irssi :)
[10:32] <kash> hi everybody i try since a really long time to install somes packages from debian but i don't howcan i do to install those packages (sorry icome from mandrake....) can spemone explain me how ?
[10:32] <kakalto> transgress, mate, I'm on 8 on this server, 2 on another, it definately makes ya lose track ;)
[10:32] <transgress> Jimmothy: i believe it does... but if it doesn't it's easy to get
[10:32] <QMario> How do I unban myself from a channel?
[10:32] <Seveas> irssi-text even...
[10:32] <lunitik> Seveas: irssi-text you mean... and it is installed in Ubuntu by default
[10:32] <transgress> irssi is only text Seveas
[10:32] <Seveas> QMario, you can't
[10:32] <Lapse> When installing ubuntu, is there like a partition manager? Like in mandrake. Or do I have to set up some partition before I install ubuntu?
[10:32] <kakalto> transgress, the problem is when you say the wrong thing in the wrong channel :(
[10:32] <dcraven> QMario, why are you /msging me?
[10:32] <QMario> How do I get back in then?
[10:33] <Seveas> transgress, i know, but the package is called irssi-text
[10:33] <dcraven> QMario, you can't.
[10:33] <Seveas> QMario, you can't
[10:33] <transgress> oh
[10:33] <XTCboarder> lapse, it has a partition manager
[10:33] <lunitik> Seveas: you don't
[10:33] <Jimmothy> i don't have a problem compiling it if i have to :)
[10:33] <QMario> I need to ask you a question.
[10:33] <kash> nobody ?
[10:33] <Seveas> lunitik, what?
[10:33] <Lapse> XTCboarder, great, thanks. :)
[10:33] <transgress> kakalto: like "take off your clothes you little slut" in ##slackware?
[10:33] <XTCboarder> can somebody help me with iptables?
[10:33] <QMario> dcraven, that last answer was for you.
[10:33] <kakalto> transgress, yeah :)
[10:33] <lunitik> Seveas: irssi-text is installed by default via ubuntu-desktop
[10:33] <dcraven> QMario, ask the channel. That's what it's here for. Ask your Perl question in #perl.
[10:33] <Seveas> lunitik, ok :)
[10:33] <kash> well
[10:33] <kash> ..
[10:34] <QMario> Didn't I tell you that I was banned?
[10:34] <BockBilbo> hey there
[10:34] <Seveas> QMario, there will be a reason for it
[10:34] <transgress> kakalto: what's really funny is one of the servers i'm on is for work... and one of the channels is public for support shit... and if i say the wrong thing in there i'm fucked.
[10:34] <Seveas> QMario, you can find your answer via google too
[10:34] <karl> guess you're shit out of luck then mario
[10:34] <dcraven> QMario, well I can see why... Don't /msg people without asking.. It's impolite.
[10:34] <kakalto> transgress, yah, not kewl :)
[10:34] <karl> but yeah, you have a damn simple perl problem, work it out
[10:34] <QMario> Sorry, dcraven.
[10:34] <QMario> So, I'm banned forever?
[10:34] <lunitik> QMario: depends how much you pissed them off
[10:35] <karl> probably not forever, but probably for 24 hours or so
[10:35] <dcraven> QMario, live and learn. And no, the ban is more than likely not permanent.
[10:35] <QMario> Well, it was worth it.
[10:35] <Li-Venom> is there a ubuntu specific method to auto probe for video card and get the missing xserver module ?
[10:35] <kash> hum
[10:35] <djones> QMario, what did you do?
[10:35] <QMario> I did the right thing.
[10:35] <kash> just need a little help
[10:35] <transgress> Li-Venom: huh?
[10:35] <karl> ahh, the right thing
[10:35] <QMario> I just stood up for Jesus and that was all.
[10:35] <cjdavis> OMG
[10:35] <QMario> Is there anything wrong about that?
[10:35] <lunitik> Li-Venom: you mean the correct driver?
[10:35] <karl> yes :)
[10:36] <dcraven> QMario, you probably did not do the right thing, hence the ban.
[10:36] <transgress> QMario: stand up for jesus in ##slackware...
[10:36] <Li-Venom> transgress: i installed my ubuntu on other machine
[10:36] <lunitik> Li-Venom: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:36] <dcraven> QMario, you got banned for the same reason before.. You would think you'd learn by now.
[10:36] <QMario> It was the right thing in God's eyes.
[10:36] <visjes> i'm about to compile the wacom driver and it says it can't find the xorg sdk.. mad searching through synaptic found nothing.. is it in a nonstandard place, or.. ?
[10:36] <karl> but god doesn't run irc
[10:36] <djones> QMario, ask god your perl question
[10:36] <transgress> QMario: and look how much god helped you out there
[10:36] <QMario> dcraven, it is the same ban.
[10:36] <visjes> i have installed the x-window-dev package or whatever that is
[10:36] <dcraven> QMario, I suggest you keep your evangalism to yourself.
[10:36] <Seveas> kash, do you have he .deb files of those packages?
[10:36] <karl> perhaps you were looking for irc.zealot.org/perl
[10:36] <Jimmothy> karl: yeah i do
[10:36] <concept10> djones: lol
[10:37] <QMario> Don't use God's name invain, dcraven.
[10:37] <karl> jim: heh
[10:37] <Seveas> QMario, quit it
[10:37] <kash> yes
[10:37] <QMario> See that's what I told them and they got mad.
[10:37] <karl> god loves me more than you mario
[10:37] <visjes> qmario your god doesn't exist, sorry
[10:37] <cjdavis> i see another ban comming..
[10:37] <Nermal> why do you need to stand up for Jesus? can't he fight his own battles?
[10:37] <dcraven> djones, hahah.. That was good.
[10:37] <Nermal> lazy bastard
[10:37] <kash> it is plone
[10:37] <Nermal> anyhoooo
[10:37] <Nermal> :)
[10:37] <Nermal> weekend :D
[10:37] <Seveas> kash, you can find plone in synaptic
[10:37] <karl> my god is better than your god!
[10:37] <QMario> visjes, My God does exist.
[10:37] <concept10> QMario: All I could suggest you do is respect others by keeping the religion out of the chat room
[10:37] <dcraven> Guys, please don't feed him.
[10:37] <Nermal> my god is beer, and I'm stroking him right now
[10:37] <visjes> lol
[10:37] <QMario> [See this is what happened in #perl] 
[10:38] <lunitik> karl: My god has a bigger penis, so there  8)
[10:38] <Nermal> so naaah
[10:38] <transgress> i so just bashed that whole stupid god thing
[10:38] <Seveas> kash, system -> administration -> synaptic package manager
[10:38] <Nermal> iddqd :P
[10:38] <dcraven> QMario, see a trend?
[10:38] <kash> yes i did install it via synaptic but i don't know how to make it run ...
[10:38] <transgress> by bashed i mean bash.org
[10:38] <Nermal> kash: erm.. read a howto :|
[10:38] <Seveas> kash, ah ok
[10:38] <karl> my god's big brother will beat up your god
[10:38] <kash> i m quiete a nwbee
[10:38] <visjes> okay, let me rephrase.. qmario. no one cares. this is not a channel for uppity religious idiots, this is for ubuntu linux talk
[10:38] <Seveas> indeed, read the manual :)
[10:38] <kash> do u know ??
[10:38] <QMario> I know, but it still is the right thing to do.
[10:38] <anthony> hi, just installed Ubuntu for the first time - what;s the default root password?
[10:38] <transgress> i love bash.org
[10:38] <visjes> so if someone knows where the xorg sdk is located, please let me know :)
[10:38] <Seveas> kash, /usr/share/doc/plone or something...
[10:38] <visjes> there is no right and wrong, lol.. only popular opinion.
[10:38] <transgress> QMario: says you... now shut the fuck up before you get banned in another channel.
[10:38] <kash> ok im gone try
[10:38] <Seveas> kash, or plone.org (oslt)
[10:38] <kash> thanks
[10:38] <dcraven> QMario, not in this context it isn't.
[10:39] <QMario> There is a difference between the right thing to do and the smart thing to do.
[10:39] <karl> reading bash.org is for people with even less lives than the people whose quotes make up bash.org
[10:39] <Jimmothy> transgress: then you'll love qdb.us
[10:39] <dcraven> lol
[10:39] <lunitik> QMario: forcing your beliefs on others is the right thing to do? no... shutting up about your beliefs is the right thing to do
[10:39] <transgress> Jimmothy: thank you... i needed more ways to avoid work
[10:39] <QMario> I'm not forcing my belief.
[10:39] <karl> lunitik! yes god says that everyone who doesn't believe is evil!
[10:39] <Seveas> People, stop feeding the troll, this is not a religious channel, please avoid the noise (and sorry for the color)
[10:39] <karl> theymust be killed!
[10:39] <QMario> I'm just telling you what God wants told.
[10:39] <mwylde> anthony: there isn't one
[10:39] <concept10> apt-get install God
[10:39] <dcraven> QMario, please drop it. Be the bigger man.
[10:39] <karl> dpkg -P god
[10:39] <Jimmothy> transgress: qdb is run by the original guy, not the thieving sod who wouldn't hand back bash.org
[10:39] <transgress> QMario: yes you are forcing your beliefs...
[10:39] <lunitik> QMario: to say "don't use gods name in vain" intends to make me believe there is a god...
[10:39] <dataw0lf|w> alright guys, let's calm down.
[10:39] <QMario> How?
[10:40] <transgress> Jimmothy: i see
[10:40] <kakalto> QMario, it's probably better to just keep you mouth shut
[10:40] <Seveas> transgress, lunitik, please....
[10:40] <lunitik> QMario: if its not... then who is God?
[10:40] <cjdavis> hey, on more interesting topics, does anybody know much about alsa?
[10:40] <dataw0lf|w> Qmario: just drop it.
[10:40] <kakalto> or in this case, not type
[10:40] <visjes> oh there is a god.. it's you. debate over.. XORG SDK PLEASE :D
[10:40] <djones> QMario, you might find it quicker to get kicked out if you pick on the Operator directly
[10:40] <karl> anyone here waiting on linux help?
[10:40] <visjes> yes!
[10:40] <transgress> well i'm leaving
[10:40] <QMario> There is though, but you have a choice to believe in what I'm saying.
[10:40] <cjdavis> I'm trying to figure out the various extra outputs -- front, back, etc
[10:40] <transgress> bbl
[10:40] <kakalto> QMario, this isn't the channel for religious discussion
[10:40] <karl> xorg sdk?
[10:40] <visjes> yeah
[10:40] <Nermal> QMario: we choose not to
[10:40] <Nermal> so we go to hell
[10:40] <student22> hey... can someone help me sth with ubuntu pls? ..on private
[10:40] <visjes> trying to compile the wacom driver
[10:40] <Nermal> no problem
[10:40] <QMario> Exactly.
[10:40] <Seveas> AGAIN! People, stop feeding the troll, this is not a religious channel, please avoid the noise (and sorry for the color)
[10:40] <dataw0lf|w> /join #religiousrightwingfanatics, QMario
[10:40] <Nermal> what's it to you if we go to hell ?
[10:41] <concept10> He doesnt stop, he is quite argumentative
[10:41] <QMario> You don't know what you're saying, Nermal.
[10:41] <Nermal> none of your goddam (pun intended) business :)
[10:41] <Nermal> heh
[10:41] <da5id_> hi @ll
[10:41] <Nermal> scary
[10:41] <Nermal> QMario: proof please :)
[10:41] <dataw0lf|w> Nermal: do you happen to have an extra window ticket? I lost mine.
[10:41] <Seveas> people, let's go back to what this channel is for...
[10:41] <QMario> I care more about your souls than about getting kicked out.
[10:41] <Nermal> dataw0lf: somewhere.. one sec
[10:41] <Seveas> Ubuntu help
[10:41] <dataw0lf|w> kthnx
[10:41] <carambol> hi is  hoary-backports not funtioning?
[10:41] <QMario> So does God.
[10:41] <kakalto> Nermal, don't get him started
[10:41] <Jimmothy> /ignore *!*qmario*@*.swbell.net
[10:41] <visjes> it wants to find the xorg sdk to compile wacom_drv.o.. i can't figure which package holds it. i've installed x-window-system-dev and that didn't include it :-/ can't find anything in synaptic (i have all repositories enabled)
[10:41] <Nermal> Jimmothy: ah yes
[10:41] <kakalto> Jimmothy, good suggestion
[10:42] <QMario> Why is it when I mention God, everyone starts talking to me.
[10:42] <Nermal> heh
[10:42] <kakalto> because he's a hot topic
[10:42] <Nermal> god is linus, surely
[10:42] <visjes> hey mario, if god exists let him take me now.. right now. PLEASE TAKE ME NOW SO I DON'T HAVE TO LISTEN TO THIS NONSENSE.. see? nothing. life is prosaic. sorry. now, back to linux.
[10:42] <Jimmothy> cos you're an attention whore, and god doesn't like those
[10:42] <QMario> Whenever I ask a normal question, everyone ignores me.
[10:42] <concept10> Our work on Ubuntu is driven by a philosophy on software freedom that we hope will spread and bring the benefits of software technology to all parts of the globe.
[10:42] <Nermal> I'm ignoring you now
[10:42] <QMario> Your testing God.
[10:42] <Seveas> QMario, that's because you seem to be an ignorant fool
[10:42] <kakalto> QMario, mate, people are touchy about that subject
[10:42] <deltalima> mario: you should try saying "Jesus" if you really want some attention
[10:42] <Nermal> I'm testing breezy at the moment
[10:42] <QMario> Why?
[10:42] <kakalto> and this isn't the right channel
[10:42] <visjes> lol
[10:42] <Nermal> seems stable enough
[10:42] <QMario> Does God convict you?
[10:43] <visjes> okay everyone let's just ignore him.. forget this noise. this is ubuntu
[10:43] <Seveas> Nermal, instability will come after UdU
[10:43] <concept10> OMG
[10:43] <kakalto> QMario, PM
[10:43] <Nermal> as stable as a building with half a horse in it :)
[10:43] <djones> Where is the OP for this room?
[10:43] <jamin> QMario, I believe in God and you're pissing me off, too.  This isn't a religious discussion channel, and frankly you aren't even close to saving any souls here.  You're just angering people.
[10:43] <lunitik> Seveas: UdU?
[10:43] <da5id_> i use ubuntu 5.04 hoary and my problem is that gdm has a bigger virtual resolution (something like 1280 x 1024) than actual resolution (1152x864) so that I have to scroll to find some options. If I log on and gnome starts everything is fine at 1152x864. Any ideas?
[10:43] <QMario> You know he exists, but choose to reject him, why?
[10:43] <Seveas> lunitik, ubuntu down under
[10:43] <lunitik> jamin: ignore him... or /msg him
[10:43] <Nermal> QMario: you mean she ?
[10:43] <lunitik> Seveas: ohh...  :)
[10:44] <pablo928> Nermal isn't that 1/2 building with whole horse in it?
[10:44] <Nermal> pablo928: ah.. now you're thinking :)
[10:44] <QMario> You guys are right that I can't force you to believe in God , and I'm sorry if I did.
[10:44] <Nermal> QMario: you didn't, you just pissed off a lot of people and filled my screen with crap :|
[10:44] <Amaranth> Whoa, someone was debating religion?
[10:44] <Nermal> student22: tried using the net manager in gnome ?
[10:44] <dataw0lf|w> student22: what's your ifconfig look like.
[10:44] <pablo928> Nermal Breezy scares me...I'm just getting hoary to work the way I want it
[10:45] <Amaranth> Yeah, that's a major no-no.
[10:45] <student22> no
[10:45] <dataw0lf|w> Amaranth: wasn't really a debate.
[10:45] <Nermal> pablo928: seems ok
[10:45] <concept10> nobodys saying that, QMario - you bring your conversation to the wrong forum
[10:45] <student22> i am really new at linux
[10:45] <visjes> debate? lol
[10:45] <Nermal> as is gay rights it would seem
[10:45] <Nermal> judging by slashdot
[10:45] <visjes> what ethernet card do you have student22 ?
[10:45] <kakalto> student22, welcome to the world of opportunity.
[10:45] <student22> nvidia
[10:45] <lunitik> Amaranth: debate depics a meaningful discussion... gives him too much credit  ;)
[10:45] <Amaranth> Please don't discuss religion or politics here.
[10:45] <visjes> onboard?
[10:45] <Nermal> student22: gnome - > system -> networks
[10:45] <student22> yes
[10:45] <brad> hey everyone, i installed bittornado-gui with synaptic and i can't figure out how to run it
[10:45] <pablo928> Nermal I'll try breezy in about 5 months....maybe a little sooner
[10:45] <Seveas> SABDFL is our god ;)
[10:45] <da5id_> anybody here knows about GDM?
[10:46] <karl> I'll try breezy in siz, and no earlier :)
[10:46] <concept10> brad: have you tried running from CLI
[10:46] <student22> what is gnomw? :)) ...i type that in terminal?
[10:46] <visjes> okay.. yeah i have that too.. it's probably working you just need to set up your network (see Nermal's msg). are you on a DHCP network, do you know, or do you have static ip info?
[10:46] <deltalima> da5id: what do you want to know?
[10:46] <brad> CLI?
[10:46] <Nermal> kakalto: maybe he needs restricted modules or something for the nforce chipset :|
[10:46] <Amaranth> Everyone can worship $DEITY. $DEITY may or may not be set.
[10:46] <lunitik> da5id_: ask your question...
[10:46] <student22> gnome
[10:46] <visjes> when you login you are using gnome :)
[10:46] <Seveas> Amaranth, nice one
[10:46] <Nermal> though there is a reverse engineered driver for the nforce ethernet no ?
[10:46] <visjes> unless you're using kubuntu?
[10:46] <deltalima> CLI = command line interface
[10:46] <concept10> brad: command line, terminal, shell
[10:46] <Amaranth> </geek joke>
[10:46] <student22> i have a dynamic
[10:46] <visjes> lol
[10:46] <pixman> greetings
[10:46] <student22> network
[10:47] <djones> Amaranth, lol
[10:47] <lunitik> deltalima: or Common Language Interface  ;)
[10:47] <student22> behind a router
[10:47] <brad> concept10: yeah, i tried a bit, i typed which bittornado-gui
[10:47] <Nermal> student22: go to system -> administration -> network
[10:47] <Seveas> maybe that was why QMario needed random
[10:47] <student22> yes
[10:47] <brad> concept10: to find the path to run it
[10:47] <deltalima> lunitik: suspicious
[10:47] <da5id_> lunitik I cant get GDM to run at the same virtual resolution as physical resolution
[10:47] <lunitik> deltalima: ?
[10:47] <[Johnny] > hi plz help. How can I change to install Lilo instead of Grub?
[10:48] <brad> concept10: is that the right way to go about it?
[10:48] <da5id_> my GDM seems to has a virtual resolution > 1152x864, which is the physical resolution
[10:48] <Nermal> [Johnny] : why would you want to ?
[10:48] <visjes> that's kind of strange, doesn't ubuntu default to dhcp setup tho?
[10:48] <da5id_> so it keeps scrolling
[10:48] <lunitik> [Johnny] : apt-get install lilo and run it?
[10:48] <lunitik> [Johnny] : why do you want to do that though?
[10:48] <concept10> brad: not sure, i dont use that app, did you try to run it in the terminal?
[10:48] <[Johnny] > It is during installation on a small server dual 150 pentium after installing grub it will not starting up
[10:49] <brad> concept10: how would i run it?
[10:49] <deltalima> lunitik: I was being fascetious
[10:49] <lunitik> brad: what you are you trying to run?
[10:49] <anthony> OK, if there is no root password by default, how can I set one?
[10:49] <brad> bittorando
[10:49] <shinu> hey! its me again xD
[10:49] <brad> concept10: bittorando
[10:50] <shinu> how do i check whether a program is installed?
[10:50] <Seveas> anthony, why would you want one?
[10:50] <Seveas> shinu, dpkg -l
[10:50] <da5id_> anthony sudo su; passwd should solve your problem
[10:50] <concept10> brad: i thought it was bittornado?
[10:50] <travail101> where can I find a list of all packages on the LiveCD?
[10:50] <[Johnny] > the same for all other distro debian also not possible to start up in mbr with grub
[10:50] <shinu> Seveas: thanks a lot
[10:50] <lunitik> brad: umm... dpkg -L bittorando | grep bin
[10:50] <lunitik> brad: run whatever that says
[10:50] <mwylde> anthony: sudo passwd root
[10:50] <thegreedyturtle> shinu: you can use synaptic package manager as well
[10:50] <lunitik> brad: Ubuntu uses gnome-btdownload though...
[10:50] <shinu> is glib not installed by default in ubuntu?
[10:50] <thegreedyturtle> shinu: just search for it and your package will appear
[10:51] <lunitik> shinu: umm... yeah it is
[10:51] <shinu> root@Discworld:~ # dpkg -l glib
[10:51] <shinu> No packages found matching glib.
[10:51] <brad> yeah i got rid of the default BT client and installed bittorando
[10:51] <XTCboarder> is there a GUI for manipulating iptables?
[10:51] <lunitik> shinu: it is the only reason GNOME programming doesn't suck
[10:51] <thegreedyturtle> shinu: BUT, if you didn't install a .deb package or use apt/packagemanager it won't appear in the package database
[10:51] <brad> i mean bittornado
[10:51] <Seveas> XTCboarder, you can try firestarter
[10:51] <shinu> oh...
[10:51] <shinu> thegreedyturtle: thats a bad point ^^'
[10:51] <lunitik> shinu: dpkg -l libglib2.0-0
[10:52] <student22> i tried all... automatic dhcp, manual.... i dont know why it doesnt want to connect....but ping works
[10:52] <thegreedyturtle> shinu: don't know which point it is, but ok
[10:52] <shinu> thegreedyturtle: the last one :D
[10:52] <thegreedyturtle> shinu: i haven't really been watchin the conversation so...
[10:52] <shinu> :D
[10:52] <thegreedyturtle> shinu: ah the .deb point, yeah
[10:52] <shinu> thegreedyturtle: yes ^^'
[10:52] <student22> do i have to set also dsn or what?
[10:52] <travail101> google and the ubuntu site have not been very helpful...
[10:53] <travail101> is there no published list of the packages on the liveCD?
[10:53] <brad> this is what it said...
[10:53] <brad> whorush@k7:/$ dpkg -L bittornado-gui | grep bin
[10:53] <brad> /usr/bin
[10:53] <brad> /usr/bin/btcompletedirgui.bittornado
[10:53] <brad> /usr/bin/btdownloadgui.bittornado
[10:53] <brad> /usr/bin/btmaketorrentgui
[10:53] <brad> when i ran that
[10:53] <lunitik> brad: run the last one
[10:53] <anthony> thansk
[10:54] <brad> ok, thats a start, but i'm not trying to make a torrent, i'm trying to seed torrents
[10:55] <brad> i used azerus on windows, but i can't figure out how to install java so i'm trying something that doesnt need it
[10:55] <aeho> how I can kill program in linux
[10:55] <aeho> xmms crashed
[10:55] <lunitik> brad: azerus runs on linux...
[10:55] <Seveas> brad, installing java is very simple
[10:55] <ompaul> aeho, killall xmms
[10:55] <brad> lunitik: right i know, but i cant figure out how to get java running and azerus needs it
[10:55] <lunitik> brad: try gnome-btdownload though... its installed by default
[10:55] <deltalima> aeho: xkill
[10:55] <t3rror> brb
[10:56] <aeho> killall xmms worked fine
[10:56] <brad> lunitik, i dont think that program is very good for seeding
[10:56] <lunitik> brad: define seeding...
[10:56] <ompaul> :-)
[10:56] <deltalima> aeho: that would work too
[10:56] <travail101> yeah... xkill is nice
[10:56] <brad> seveas, how do i install java?
[10:56] <bad_mongo> does it exist a linux program that removes flash and crap in other browsers than firefox?
[10:56] <travail101> or... the task manager
[10:56] <brad> the documentation for java is very scary
[10:57] <kakalto> bad_mongo, flash isn't automatically there on firefox
[10:57] <travail101> mozilla proper :-P
[10:57] <shinu> whats a apt-get for a c+ compiler?
[10:57] <shinu> c++ i meant
[10:57] <brad> seeding is sharing it so others can download from from me
[10:57] <kakalto> gcc++ ?
[10:57] <Seveas> shinu, install build-essential
[10:57] <deltalima> shinu: g++
[10:57] <shinu> Seveas: thanks
[10:57] <kakalto> that's the one
[10:57] <travail101> other than Ff... as in... konqueror? Opera? Netscape/Mozilla Seamonkey?
[10:58] <travail101> is this the question?
[10:58] <SeamusLP> brad:  Isn't java in the nonfree repository?
[10:58] <bad_mongo> kakalto, no, but if you have flash installed in firefox, you can filter out what you don't want, with the adblocker
[10:58] <Seveas> SeamusLP, no
[10:58] <Seveas> SeamusLP, java licence is too restrictive
[10:59] <SeamusLP> brad:  Check out sun's website and see if you can get a deb.  I can't remember, but I think that's how I did it.
[10:59] <bad_mongo> I'd love to have an adblocker in Opera.. it's the only thing missing in the browser
[10:59] <Seveas> SeamusLP, impossible
[10:59] <Seveas> sun doesn't make debs
[10:59] <frank__> brad, for java, check the ubuntuguide
[11:00] <Levande1> Anybody can recommend an IRC client that runs on Linux, XP, and MacOS?  I've been using gaim, but it doesn't have a couple of features I want.
[11:00] <SeamusLP> Seveas:  It shows up as a package, so clearly I got it as a deb... from somewhere
[11:00] <ompaul> student22, this is open source - ask in the channel and then someone may be able to help - guessing what the problem is not really possible
[11:00] <Chipparn> I cant get my mic to work.. correction, its working and i can hear my self swearing in the speakers but i cant get it to work with skype and sound recorder.
[11:00] <Chipparn> In the sound recorder i can only hear the klicksounds beeing recorded, really strange , and when i try to talk with my friends on skype they can hear the klicksounds. when i say klicksounds i mean the small blipp blopp sounds in ubuntu when opening aplications and stuff. Any ideas?
[11:00] <Seveas> SeamusLP, nackports maybe
[11:01] <Seveas> but that is illegal
[11:01] <Seveas> SeamusLP, and there are other ways for java packages to show up, I installed dumm packages using equivs
[11:01] <ompaul> Levande1, I think that x-chat does - you will need to look at it further
[11:01] <frank__> Seveas, for java, check http://ubuntuguide.org/
[11:02] <Seveas> frank__, i know more than enough about java......
[11:02] <travail101> bad_mongo: and what's missing in Firefox? :-P
[11:02] <Seveas> i wasn't asking :)
[11:02] <SeamusLP> Seveas:  aha, found an rpm on the official site. Must have used alien.
[11:02] <student22> ok my problem is, that i cant enable my ethernet card.... but would really appreciate if someone could help me in private pls
[11:02] <Ironfrost> bad_mongo: read up on filter.ini within Opera
[11:02] <frank__> Seveas, lol sorry for assuming you didn't!
[11:02] <Ironfrost> it does basically what AdBlock does for Firefox
[11:02] <ompaul> student22, you have tried the networking tool?
[11:02] <LinuxJones> student22, do you know what type of card your using ?
[11:02] <student22> yes
[11:03] <Ironfrost> except that you have to add entries manually
[11:03] <student22> manual and automatic dhcp
[11:03] <travail101> anf firefox does basically what Opera does for free ;-)
[11:03] <Ironfrost> http://www.schrode.net/opera/url_filtering/
[11:03] <travail101> and*
[11:03] <djones> student22, dhclinet?
[11:03] <student22> yes
[11:03] <student22> i have router
[11:03] <ompaul> student22, what kind of card is it?
[11:03] <student22> nvidia onboar
[11:03] <student22> d
[11:03] <travail101> but seriously folks.... how is there not a list of packages on the LiveCD?
[11:04] <LinuxJones> student22, like an nforce or something ?
[11:04] <travail101> for
[11:04] <travail101> not on
[11:04] <travail101> for the livecd
[11:04] <student22> yes
[11:04] <travail101> oh
[11:04] <travail101> yea... on
[11:04] <LinuxJones> student22, do you know which version it is ?
[11:04] <Ironfrost> travail101 - Opera is better with tab handling, with mouse gestures, with its download manager, with easy menu customisation, and many other advantages
[11:04] <student22> and there is a ping...but when i start mozzila, it doesnt work
[11:04] <Ironfrost> I'm not sure whether it's $20 better than Firefox, but it's definitely a superior product
[11:04] <student22> just a min
[11:05] <travail101> Ironfrost: right.... but Firefox needs support, or it won't get better...
[11:05] <traderjb> Afternoon, everyone, I was wondering if someone could help me out with something
[11:05] <kingsley> How does one temporarily disable an ext3 file system's journal?
[11:05] <CB201> quick newbie question:
[11:05] <Seveas> traderjb, just ask :)
[11:05] <Ironfrost> travail101 - the same can be said for Opera
[11:05] <Amaranth> kingsley: Why would you want to do that?
[11:05] <CB201> how do I list all currently running processes, even those running in the background?
[11:05] <holycow> lol i'm reading the slashdot article on the new ms mantra that they conveniently copped from apple "it just works" ...
[11:05] <travail101> Ironfrost: but that's a whole notha issue, do you know of a list of the packages available on the LiveCD?
[11:05] <Seveas> CB201, ps aux
[11:05] <Seveas> or ps f -e
[11:05] <student22> no i dont know
[11:05] <djones> CB201, ps -A
[11:05] <holycow> ... and i'm sitting here bored out of my mind on ubuntu because everything does 'just work'
[11:05] <travail101> Ironfrost: but Ff is FOSS, Opera is not...
[11:05] <CB201> thanks
[11:05] <kingsley> Amaranth: repartitioning
[11:06] <shinu> is ncurses-devel also available on apt-get?
[11:06] <Seveas> lol holycow
[11:06] <Seveas> shinu, yes
[11:06] <Amaranth> kingsley: Why would you need to disable the journal to repartition?
[11:06] <crimsun> shinu: libncurses-dev
[11:06] <shinu> apt-get install ncurses-devel?
[11:06] <SeamusLP> holycow:  That's why I love ubuntu ;) they can have their proprietary OSes any day.
[11:06] <traderjb> Thankyou.  Ok, here goes.  I just installed Ubuntu (I'm a Linux newbie) and needed to configure my network via a control panel. I keep getting a dialog box asking for a password.  Now if this is for some root thing, I was never asked this during installation.
[11:06] <shinu> oh...
[11:06] <Amaranth> kingsley: You need to not have the partition mounted.
[11:06] <Seveas> shinu, libncurses5-dev
[11:06] <Amaranth> traderjb: Put in your password.
[11:06] <shinu> crimsun: Seveas 5 or not 5?
[11:07] <traderjb> I tried that but keep getting the reply that it isn't the right password.
[11:07] <shinu> oops...
[11:07] <crimsun> shinu: doesn't matter
[11:07] <student22> well...i have epox 8rda+ motherboard and onboard ethernet...if that helps
[11:07] <shinu> alright
[11:07] <shinu> crimsun Seveas thanks :D
[11:07] <Seveas> dennis@mirage ~ $ apt-cache search curses | grep -- '-dev'
[11:07] <Seveas> libncurses5-dev - Developer's libraries and docs for ncurses
[11:07] <Chipparn> anyone?
[11:07] <gahan> how do i install java?
[11:07] <holycow> SeamusLP, ever since i discovered debian i've had the that exact boredom issue, i'm still thining after all these years that i haveto be either defragging, or scanning for viruses, or removing spyware
[11:07] <holycow> i'm telling you, linux is no fun
[11:07] <gahan> how do i install java for konqeueror?
[11:07] <Amaranth> gahan: http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[11:07] <djones> traderjb, are you not using the user account you created during install?
[11:08] <SeamusLP> holycow:  What, you want to have spyware? ;)
[11:08] <traderjb> I think I am.
[11:08] <gahan> Amaranth: i got restriced in sources.list
[11:08] <holycow> SeamusLP, just sayin' :)
[11:08] <gahan> Amaranth: i wonder what package name..
[11:08] <Amaranth> gahan: That isn't it.
[11:08] <Seveas> gahan, none
[11:08] <Seveas> java is a bit more difficult to install
[11:08] <Amaranth> gahan: It's illegal for ubuntu to package Java, you have to install it yourself.
[11:08] <LinuxJones> student22, in a console type sudo lsmod | grep forcedeth
[11:08] <traderjb> It asked me for a full name (example Bob Somebody) and a login name (example Bob).  When I login, I use Bob
[11:08] <Seveas> gahan, read the page Amaranth pointed you to
[11:08] <gahan> aha so just like in debian:)
[11:08] <djones> traderjb, do this for me, type 'users' in the console
[11:08] <student22> what is that for?
[11:09] <traderjb> Ok, be right back, need to reboot to Linux.
[11:09] <SeamusLP> holycow:  In windows you can't even get a weather applet without contracting spyware.  In gnome it's just a couple clicks away.
[11:09] <traderjb> I'm on XP right now
[11:09] <LinuxJones> student22, it lists the loaded modules in the kernel and will output forcedeth if it is currently loaded
[11:09] <djones> traderjb, It's hard to configure your nic for linux while running windows, isn't it? ;P
[11:09] <LinuxJones> student22, forcedeth is the nforce2 ethernet driver (it has a scarry name :D)
[11:09] <student22> and after that it will simply work??
[11:10] <student22> hehe
[11:10] <student22> scary yes
[11:10] <holycow> LinuxJones, rofl
[11:10] <LinuxJones> student22, we are just trying to see if it's already loaded
[11:10] <LinuxJones> holycow, :P
[11:10] <student22> well and what after that?
[11:11] <LinuxJones> student22, did that command output anything ?
[11:11] <holycow> i gotta see what the unichrome driver release by via results in, i wonder if we will get some native decent ogl performance on embedded graphics chips
[11:11] <student22> sorry... in ubuntu i cant be on internet, hehe...if ethernet doesnt work:)
[11:11] <Chipparn> hmm.. not getting any help here.. and on the forums i meaby get a reply in a few days.. :( . anyone has any ideas on my microphone problem? i can hear the mic in the speakers but it records the ubuntu system sounds. really strange.
[11:11] <student22> i am on win xp now
[11:11] <LinuxJones> student22, ok your dual booting ?
[11:12] <xerxes1358> omg
[11:12] <student22> yes
[11:12] <xerxes1358> ubuntu is so damn nice
[11:12] <da5id_> hi again, I found a not so good solution
[11:12] <bck> does anyone have cedega installed? cvs version or got the deb-file somewhere?
[11:12] <xerxes1358> everything just works out of box
[11:12] <GammaRay> a small thing I noticed that was really neat... I left the gedit print dialog open and added a new printer and it automatically popped up on the print dialog as quickly as the printers config window.
[11:13] <xfSx> how to uninstall a deb package?
[11:13] <holycow> Chipparn, system / preferences / multimedia  system selector ... try using a different default source server
[11:13] <GammaRay> apt-get remove
[11:13] <da5id_> I changed my /etc/X11/gdm/Init/Default so that it sets the resolution to 1280x1024 with xrandr -s 3
[11:13] <LinuxJones> student22, write down that command and if it doesn't output anything. in console type sudp modprobe forcedeth (this will load the support for your ethernet card). Then do sudo network-admin and select your card and set it to dhcp.
[11:13] <holycow> GammaRay, really? i gotta try that
[11:13] <thenuke> xfSx: apt-get --purge remove if you want to get rid of the configs and so on also
[11:13] <dantheman> does anyone here use gtray?
[11:13] <thenuke> normally you would want to do that --purge
[11:13] <da5id_> still this means I always change resolutions from GDM to Gnome
[11:14] <holycow> GammaRay, oh right, also, if you hit the plus icon, you can add printers from the dialog
[11:14] <LinuxJones> student22, sorry type sudo modprobe forcedeth
[11:14] <holycow> gnome is awesome, i wish more apps used its dialogs natively
[11:14] <da5id_> anybody an idea why GDM keeps its virtual resolution? Or where it is set?
[11:14] <zero[] > how can i make a keyboard shortcut for xKill?
[11:14] <GammaRay> holycow: yea.. I was trying several drivers w/ an hp jet direct. No direct driver for the oki 650 it was attached to.
[11:15] <holycow> zero[] , system / preferences / keyboard shortcuts
[11:15] <zero[] > ah, thanks
[11:15] <SeamusLP> xerxes1358:  But gentoo is .5% quicker in gnome! ;)
[11:15] <xerxes1358> SeamusLP, yeah whatever
[11:15] <xerxes1358> lol
[11:15] <xerxes1358> :D
[11:16] <xerxes1358> SeamusLP, wow seriously dude this is so cool
[11:16] <SeamusLP> yeah man, coming from gentoo myself I thought ubuntu was the best damn thing in the world.
[11:16] <xfSx> ubuntu is pimp.
[11:17] <zero[] > hm, i don't see kill here and there doesn't seem to be a way to add
[11:17] <xerxes1358> It has the ease and usability of SUSE and the speed of Debian. This is reallty awsome
[11:18] <GammaRay> I like how gnome is adding features in a thoughtful way but I dislike how it takes so long. I guess my only recourse is to learn gtk...
[11:18] <shinu> thanks again :D
[11:18] <holycow> GammaRay, exactly
[11:18] <holycow> zero[] , *hmmm* you are correct, i don't know either
[11:18] <zero[] > holycow: is xKill the best way to terminate non-responsive programs?
[11:18] <SeamusLP> GammaRay:  I hear pyGTK2 is really nice for application development.  Not as fast as C, of course.
[11:19] <holycow> zero[] , killall programname works
[11:19] <GammaRay> SeamusLP: well I already know C so the lang isn't really the blocking point
[11:19] <holycow> zero[] , however gnome kills unresponsive programs anyway ... ?
[11:19] <holycow> zero[] , or are you worried about hung processes when you kill an unresponsive app, say like when totem hangs on a dvd or something?
[11:20] <zero[] > holycow: the problem is if i start quake 3 arena while xmms is running, i just get a black screen and i can't do anything.. if i Alt+TAB then i can see the applications list but everything is just black, i had to ctrl+alt+backspace, so i thought if i had a shortcut for xKill would be better
[11:20] <xerxes1358> Are all the internals of ubuntu the same as Debian ?
[11:21] <xerxes1358> Can I buy a Debian based Linux book on filesystem, security and rc ?
[11:21] <|QuaD-> xerxes1358: interneals? i assume the answer is yes
[11:21] <holycow> zero[] , i don't know, that is a good question
[11:22] <LinuxJones> xerxes1358, yes you can
[11:22] <Elephantman> hi
[11:22] <LinuxJones> Elephantman, hiya
[11:22] <|QuaD-> xerxes1358: ubuntu is based of debian, but there are modifications
[11:22] <xerxes1358> LinuxJones, let me ask it this way: in how much does ubuntu differ from debian ?
[11:22] <Elephantman> how can I swap VLC video player output to XSHM ?
[11:22] <|QuaD-> xerxes1358: a lot and a little
[11:22] <|QuaD-> xerxes1358: other than the no root idea, its the same
[11:22] <holycow> |QuaD-, i've not thought the modifications are big at all
[11:23] <holycow> or rather, i HAVE thought ...
[11:23] <|QuaD-> holycow: some are some aren't
[11:23] <xerxes1358> guys 1 question: during install I didnt get the chance to set root password. Is this normal ?
[11:23] <|QuaD-> the no root modification is huge
[11:23] <SeamusLP> zero[] :  Seems like xmms is getting exclusive to your sound card and quake3 doesn't like it.
[11:23] <xerxes1358> what ?
[11:23] <LinuxJones> xerxes1358, basically it's the same but Ubuntu has it's own release schedule and packages some apps or services with different default configurations
[11:23] <|QuaD-> xerxes1358: there is no root in ubuntu by default
[11:23] <holycow> xerxes1358, there is no root in ubuntu
[11:23] <xerxes1358> ?
[11:23] <xerxes1358> what the hell ?
[11:23] <xerxes1358> but that is not good
[11:24] <holycow> actually it's better
[11:24] <holycow> you use sudo for all admin rights which is safer
[11:24] <holycow> BUT
[11:24] <SeamusLP> xerxes1358:  Your user has sudo access to all programs
[11:24] <|QuaD-> xerxes1358: there is root level things, just no root account
[11:24] <|QuaD-> though you can enable root
[11:24] <xerxes1358> oh
[11:24] <xerxes1358> ok
[11:24] <holycow> the problem that you run into is that your USER PASS is your ROOT PASS ... WHICH IS VERY BAD
[11:24] <zero[] > SeamusLP: yeah, i was thinking of trying to load up quake3 using oss drivers, but more importantly wanted to figure out a shortcut to kill apps first
[11:24] <xerxes1358> yes yes As long as there is root level acces its ok
[11:24] <bck> what if someone knows your password, he has root access
[11:24] <|QuaD-> bck: no one should know your password
[11:24] <holycow> one suggestion has been to setup a super user named ADMIN that can do sudo, and all other users without sudo rights for for all but a few things
[11:25] <bck> yeah sure, but if!
[11:25] <LinuxJones> xerxes1358, for instance Ubuntu doesn't allow any services (like postifx for example) to accept connections from the Internet by default
[11:25] <bck> if you have 2 different users with 2 different password it's imho safer
[11:25] <holycow> |QuaD-, thats not a good suggestion tho ... most user passwords are WEAK, never mind that they should be strong
[11:25] <SeamusLP> zero[] :  KDE has one for sure I think
[11:25] <xerxes1358> ok but how can I enable the root ?
[11:25] <holycow> |QuaD-, which is really the shortcomming of the current setup, the root password ends up being a WEAK user pass, no good, that needs to be fixed
[11:25] <shinu> and me again...
[11:26] <SeamusLP> zero[] :  Like, by default...  Not sure how to do that in gnome
[11:26] <zero[] > SeamusLP: yeah, KDE is more customizable when it comes to these sort of things. but i still like gnome =)
[11:26] <|QuaD-> holycow: mine isnt weak, mine is like 12-15 chars, with upper and lower case, numbers, charachters, etc
[11:26] <bck> xerxes1358, sudo su
[11:26] <Ironfrost> what's a good CD/DVD writing tool? Is Gnomebaker the best, or is there something better?
[11:26] <shinu> why do i have a problem running network-admin?
[11:26] <holycow> |QuaD-, you are not an average user, and ubuntu really makes it easy for an average user to use linux
[11:26] <LinuxJones> xerxes1358, you should check out www.ubuntuguide.org it has lots of Ubuntu-related help for the basics.
[11:26] <kyncani> xerxes1358: sudo -s to get a root shel
[11:26] <shinu> when i run from the icon in gnome it says wrong password
[11:26] <GammaRay> Ironfrost: tried graveman?
[11:26] <LinuxJones> Ironfrost, I like Graveman
[11:26] <shinu> when i run it from terminal it dumps an error
[11:26] <|QuaD-> holycow: well, then maybe suggest toubuntu dev's that they make some sort of password validator
[11:27] <shinu> (network-admin:26000): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:
[11:27] <xerxes1358> no I mean can say I want to enable the root account again?
[11:27] <Ironfrost> Gammaray, Linuxjones - thanks, I'll try that
[11:27] <holycow> |QuaD-, no i will never do that, i will suggest that they create an admin account with a strong password requirement, and user acounts with no password testing
[11:27] <LinuxJones> shinu, sudo network-admin
[11:27] <LinuxJones> Ironfrost, it's very good
[11:27] <|QuaD-> holycow: why?
[11:27] <holycow> and infact i have, i think i need to be more persuasive :)
[11:28] <holycow> |QuaD-, because my suggestion makes more sense than the other suggestion that all users are root/admins ... this is linux not windows
[11:28] <|QuaD-> holycow: everyone should have strong passwords
[11:28] <Traderjb> Hello everyone.  Ok had to log off from a different computer, is this the same room I was in before?
[11:28] <holycow> |QuaD-, i don't see that ever happening, even if people use phrases that are easy to remember
[11:29] <Traderjb> I was the poor dope who needed help on passwords and root stuff
[11:29] <shinu> damn... i know why it didnt work... i think i put the wrong password
[11:29] <shinu> brb
[11:29] <Traderjb> Some nice person told me to go and type "users" in a terminal
[11:29] <|QuaD-> holycow: well, i don't see how you can say that people shouldn't have strong password
[11:29] <|QuaD-> s
[11:29] <Nasdaq7> the following story about microsoft's support of linux is quite interesting: i wonder what you guys think about it?
[11:29] <Nasdaq7> http://www.newsfactor.com/story.xhtml?story_id=112000027XIO
[11:30] <holycow> |QuaD-, i didn't, i just don't see it ever happening realistically, people will always either have weak pass or no pass logins, its just the nature of the situation, giving joe six pack sudo to everything therefore is just bad :)
[11:30] <Traderjb> Well, if I am in a different room, maybe one of you good folk out there can help me out?
[11:30] <Traderjb> :)
[11:30] <Saint33> can someone plz help me with a CD/DVD Creator problem... it's really important...
[11:31] <travail101> LiveCD package list... does it exist?
[11:31] <|QuaD-> holycow: well, i don't really care about how people create passwords, chances are anyone who needs the security has secure passwords, if not, they should learn more about using the technology they use and deserve to have their password cracked
[11:31] <Traderjb> I just got this Ubuntu linux
[11:31] <EvilSporkMan> what pitfalls will i run into if i install ubuntu and then pretend it's debian without worrying too much about the documentation?
[11:31] <Saint33> When I try to burn my cd from the cd/dvd creator it fails saying "incorrectly encoded string"
[11:32] <Traderjb> And need to configure my networking for wifi.  It seems that I can do much, because I get a popup dialog box asking for my password
[11:32] <Saint33> any ideas how I can fix this... it's my only way to backup my files...
[11:32] <Traderjb> Well I give my user password, but it says it is incorrect
[11:32] <holycow> |QuaD-, oh i agree, but the problem is not 'should' or 'could' the problem is the default 'assumption' ... joe six pack has sudo access to everything, thats just bad imho
[11:32] <Traderjb> When I installed Ubuntu, it never once asked me for a root password of any kind.
[11:32] <sophie_msumu> hello
[11:32] <Traderjb> Please help
[11:32] <sophie_msumu> can someone please give some help on GDM
[11:32] <Traderjb> <:)
[11:32] <Remenic> Traderjb: that's right
[11:33] <Traderjb> Remenic, am I missing something here?
[11:33] <Remenic> Traderjb: try sudo instead of su :)
[11:33] <|QuaD-> holycow: chances are if joe six pack has sudo access to everything its a home computer and doesn't need to be uber secure
[11:33] <Traderjb> Well how do I use sudo on the pull down menu?
[11:34] <sihen> hello all
[11:34] <Saint33> When I try to burn my cd from the cd/dvd creator it fails saying "incorrectly encoded string"... how can I fix this...???
[11:34] <holycow> |QuaD-, really? i use it at work and it's also the 'default assumption' ... don't you think there needs to be a dialog about that decision?
[11:34] <holycow> during install i mean
[11:34] <Remenic> Traderjb: pull down menu? what pull down menu?
[11:34] <|QuaD-> holycow: to be honest, its not something i think about
[11:35] <|QuaD-> i think about my own security, and hope people know how to make passwords
[11:35] <Traderjb> Well, my desktop seems to be GNome, and it has this pull down menu with a submenu that says Administration.
[11:35] <holycow> |QuaD-, obviously :)
[11:35] <holycow> lol
[11:35] <|QuaD-> the problem is most people transmit their passwords to nonsecure site's anyways
[11:35] <sophie_msumu> can someone please give some help on GDM ?
[11:35] <Remenic> Traderjb: if it prompts for a password, enter your own password
[11:35] <|QuaD-> soo the strength of passwords don't matter
[11:35] <Traderjb> There it has neat things like Networking, Users and GRoups, Ubunntu Update maanger
[11:35] <Remenic> Traderjb: password of the user you're logged in as
[11:36] <zero[] > great, figured out how to make custom keyboard shortcuts, if anybody is interested in doing so
[11:36] <sihen_> Hello all
[11:37] <Traderjb> I tried that, Remenic, but I get another dialog box with a big red stop sign type thingy, and a message saying: Failed to run shares-admin: Child terminated with 1 status
[11:38] <Traderjb> I don't think I'm registered as an admin or something
[11:38] <djones> Traderjb, glad you made it back
[11:38] <sihen> Hello all could someone possible help me out?
[11:39] <Traderjb> Why thankyou djones!
[11:39] <zero[] > sihen: tell your problem and then maybe
[11:39] <djones> Traderjb, to make your user an admin at the console, adduser <username> admin.
[11:39] <sihen> any idea where I can get a copy of the ubuntu source.list file for apt? I seem to have broken mine
[11:39] <ubi> Sihen, What is your problem?
[11:39] <matt1987> has anyone used citrix ica client on ubuntu yet
[11:39] <zero[] > sihen: i can show you a copy of mine if you want
[11:39] <matt1987> and can help me
[11:40] <sihen> zero[] , anyway u could send me a copy of it?
[11:40] <zero[] > sure
[11:40] <zero[] > 1 sec
[11:40] <sihen> ta
[11:40] <Traderjb> djones, just tried it, it says only root can add a user or group to a system
[11:40] <XandriX> u can only move mouses between them
[11:40] <XandriX> no window moving
[11:41] <djones> Traderjb, oops! Um... sudo adduser Traderjb admin
[11:41] <Traderjb> Oh
[11:41] <Traderjb> gimme a second
[11:41] <djones> then it will request a pass, use your pass, if it works, then you already are admin :)
[11:41] <QMario> Do a lot of people in this room sleep?
[11:41] <Remenic> dunno
[11:42] <matt1987> has anyone used citrix ica client on ubuntu yet
[11:42] <QMario> Does anyone here use GMail?
[11:42] <Traderjb> ok, it says now that I am not on some list.  Man, this is just like real life, first I'm not part of the cool kids in school, now my computer thinks I'm not good enough!
[11:42] <Remenic> QMario: I do
[11:42] <Ironfrost> QMario - yes
[11:42] <djones> Traderjb, lol
[11:43] <Traderjb> It is now saying that my name is not on some sudoers file.
[11:43] <Traderjb> And that I'm being reported!
[11:43] <djones> lol
[11:43] <djones> did you create a second user? you did didn't you.
[11:43] <Traderjb> no
[11:43] <Traderjb> It never asked me
[11:43] <QMario> Is sial.org down?
[11:44] <Traderjb> I did the default installation after I downloaded Ubuntu and burned it on a disc
[11:44] <djones> Traderjb, by default there is no root acount and the user you create during the install is an admin.
[11:45] <Traderjb> So why is my computer being a jerk to me?
[11:45] <djones> Traderjb, this may seem over simplistic, but... is CAPS on?
[11:45] <Traderjb> Let me check
[11:45] <Traderjb> no
[11:46] <pablo928>  Traderjb -was it on when u installed?
[11:46] <matt1987> has anyone used citrix ica client on ubuntu yet
[11:46] <Traderjb> nope
[11:46] <Traderjb> Otherwise, I could not log on as me
[11:46] <djones> Traderjb, ah, that is true. very weird stuff
[11:48] <QMario> Is sial.org down?
[11:48] <Traderjb> I don't want to go back to windows.  Please folks, in the name of that is nice, sweet or cheesy, there's gotta be a way!
[11:48] <kakalto> isn't it funny how there's "security problems" on google under konqueror, but if I identify as firefox, there's no error message
[11:48] <QMario> There is always a way, but maybe you can't see it yet.
[11:48] <kakalto> gmail, I mean
[11:48] <djones> QMario, it's up
[11:48] <matt1987> has anyone used citrix ica client on ubuntu yet
[11:48] <QMario> When I try to go to the side, it says the operation has been timed out.
[11:49] <QMario> Is it possible to be banned from the site too?
[11:49] <djones> QMario, did you stick up for Jesus there?
[11:49] <matt1987> anyone got the command to get limewire pro
[11:49] <QMario> I kind of tried to talk to the people in #perl via sial.org.
[11:50] <QMario> Heh
[11:50] <tuxadm> you need to boot up linux with the init=/bin/bash option Traderjb
[11:50] <Traderjb> ok, how do I do that?
[11:50] <elis> hi all. total linux newbie here. can anybody help me fix this error please. i just tried to do a apt-get dist-upgrade and got the following error(s).....
[11:51] <b0ol> hi
[11:51] <matt1987> is no one listening to me
[11:51] <b0ol> got a small problem
[11:51] <tuxadm> edit the /boot/grub/menu.lst
[11:51] <elis> Preparing to replace kdelibs-data 4:3.4.0-0ubuntu3 (using .../kdelibs-data_4%3a3.4.0-0ubuntu3.1_all.deb) ...
[11:51] <b0ol> got a mp3 file and it says its 30 mins long although it has only about 5 mb!
[11:51] <b0ol> i think i need another mp3 codec but which one?
[11:51] <elis> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4%3a3.4.0-0ubuntu3.1_all.deb (--unpack):
[11:51] <b0ol> and how to get it?
[11:52] <elis> trying to overwrite `/usr/share/icons/default.kde', which is also in package knetworkconf
[11:52] <elis> Errors were encountered while processing:
[11:52] <elis>  /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4%3a3.4.0-0ubuntu3.1_all.deb
[11:52] <elis> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[11:52] <matt1987> elis: try using sudo befor u enter a command line
[11:52] <elis> matt1987: sorry, yes i did do that
[11:52] <matt1987> ok
[11:53] <QMario> djones, any suggestions?
[11:53] <QMario> Who is the operator of this room?
[11:53] <djones> QMario, hit the refresh
[11:54] <elis> i tried logging into kubuntu/kde to try it but found that the panel applet is broken. i t was the same result as in gnome thugh anyway
[11:54] <QMario>  It's still not working.
[11:54] <hybrid_> hello all
[11:55] <QMario> I may have been kicked out, again.......
[11:55] <hybrid_> does anyone have sound working on mplayer that is using ppc
[11:56] <hybrid_> **is on ppc
[11:56] <jcole> uh
[11:56] <jcole> what do i add to my sources.list to get tomcat?
[11:56] <hybrid_> tomcat?
[11:57] <jcole> apt-cache search --names-only tomcat gives nothing
[11:57] <jcole> hybrid_: ya, it's in debian
[11:57] <holycow> jcole, you enabled universe in sources.list?
[11:58] <hybrid_> jcole: o ok i thot it was a release :P
[11:58] <b0ol> help :
[11:58] <b0ol> pls
[11:59] <jcole> holycow: it's not there
[11:59] <nickrud> elis, you should file a bug, with a complete copy of the install run.
[11:59] <matt1987> hellp! some one please
[11:59] <b0ol> where can i get another mp3 codec? i have trouble with some of my mp3s
[11:59] <b0ol> or where can i get a wma plugin for xmms
[11:59] <matt1987> whats the difference between the dvd and cd iso versions
[11:59] <b0ol> ?
[11:59] <holycow> jcole, oh your right, weird
[11:59] <hybrid_> does anyone have sound working on mplayer g4 on ppc
[12:00] <nickrud> only one package is allowed to own a file, and two claim it on your system.