[12:02] <_matej> TNXXXXXXXX!!!
[12:02] <_matej> :)
[12:02] <_matej> wiiiiiiiiiii
[12:02] <_matej> it works ;)
[12:03] <Anlar> yes, you retard managed to read some instructions after all.
[12:03] <KaiL> theD3viL: glxgears >1000fps?
[12:04] <KaiL> (you need to let it run for around 10sec)
[12:04] <theD3viL> 8223 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1644.600 FPS
[12:04] <theD3viL> =)
[12:04] <Anlar> fglxinfo or something alike should tell better if his 3d is proper
[12:04] <KaiL> ok.
[12:04] <theD3viL> :>
[12:06] <gdh> 553 frames in 6.0 seconds = 92.167 FPS - *rawk*
[12:06] <whiskers> i am afraid that ubuntu is going to have to release a new version with better libraries say within 6 months
[12:06] <gdh> feel my Matrox mystique power...
[12:08] <Anlar> whiskers: the libraries are just fine. :)
[12:13] <whiskers> Anlar, well the debian sid libraries are way ahead of ubuntu
[12:13] <Anlar> so?
[12:13] <whiskers> Anlar, and many important applications like  kexi and krita will make use of the latest libraries
[12:13] <Anlar> yes. but the libraries are not needed yet since kexi and krita have not been packaged for ubuntu.
[12:14] <Anlar> so the point of whining is moot.
[12:14] <whiskers> Anlar, no...they are not needed yet because the work is not ready for prime time
[12:14] <whiskers> Anlar, but it will be.
[12:14] <Anlar> no one forces you to use (k)ubuntu.
[12:14] <gdh> the joy of choice and open source. you want bleeding edge? take your crying to gentoo
[12:15] <Anlar> I've been using unstable gentoo for the last year.
[12:15] <whiskers> gdh, i don't have a large enough hard disk for gentoo
[12:15] <gdh> whiskers: I don't have enough  free time for gentoo :)
[12:15] <Anlar> ~20 gigs do fine with gentoo.
[12:15] <gdh> oddly enough I use my computer to do work, not compile software.
[12:16] <whiskers> gdh, well that is ashame...how are you ever going to compare a gcc4 compilation performance with a gcc3.3. performance
[12:17] <Anlar> hey, the kdelibs / kdelibs-data issue was fixed in the sources too
[12:18] <gdh> whiskers: True, many a sleepless night I've spent mulling that very dilemma :)
[12:24] <Si> Hi all.  I have a quick question about konqueror in Kubuntu, if you don't mind :) I'd like to set konqueror up so that it automatically updates its directory listing (I use it as a file manager only) whenever a file in that directory changes.
[12:25] <Si> Ordinarily I'd use fam, but it is not installed and attempting to install it threatens to remove the whole of KDE! Can anyone help me with this?
[12:26] <whiskers> Si, well you have to go over to kde.org and let them consider your ideas
[12:26] <whiskers> Si, then they will decide if your ideas are worth implementing
[12:26] <KK|Grass> time to eat :D
[12:27] <gdh> (usually after 3 or 4 months)
[12:27] <Si> whiskers:I don't really think this is a KDE problem.  In other distros, it works fine with fam - it's just that in Kubuntu, fam is not installed.
[12:27] <whiskers> Si, oh ...well in that case maybe it is just some configuration parameter already designed by KDE
[12:28] <Si> Ok.  Has noone else here tried to get this up and running? It's a pain having to manually press refresh all the time ;)
[12:28] <whiskers> Si, well we are too busy trying to keep up with all the stuff on slashdot
[12:29] <Si> Heh - I see :)
[12:29] <whiskers> Si, sometimes there are many slashdotters interested in saying something about an issue...that it takes the whole day just to read them all
[12:30] <Si> Ok, I'll hack on it later and see if I can get it working with gamin.  Just out of interest, am I the only one who actually finds this feature desirable?
[12:31] <whiskers> Si, uh...i would think it would be nice to have a refreshed view....i get the same type of problem in nautilus on gnome when i change CDs
[12:32] <whiskers> Si, it tries to list the files of the old CD
[12:32] <Si> Oh, and here's a little perl script I wrote to make reading slashdot a little more bearable: http://tastethegoonage.com/slashdotgrab.html
[12:32] <Si> I think it's all up to date.
[12:33] <whiskers> Si, hey that is nice work...you mean you don't have to keep clicking on the subcomments 
[12:33] <whiskers> Si, you get to see them all on one page
[12:34] <Si> Whiskers:That's right, and when you reload, all the comments that were loaded last time are greyed out, so you don't have to load them again.  
[12:34] <whiskers> Si, wow...that is brilliant work.
[12:34] <whiskers> Si, i bet a lot of people will like that
[12:35] <Si> Whiskers:There's quite a few flaws, though - for one, it doesn't actually log in, so it doesn't use any of your preferences (e.g. threshold, etc).
[12:35] <Si> Whiskers:Thanks :)
[01:11] <randabis> hmm this is weird
[01:12] <gahan> sudo is weird
[01:16] <randabis> sudo rocks
[01:17] <randabis> anyway, I'm getting an apt-get error with kdelibs-data
[01:17] <KaiL> dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4%3a3.4.0-0ubuntu3.1_all.deb
[01:17] <KaiL> known Bug :)
[01:18] <KaiL> not shure, if the bug is in the Package or in dpkg, because this is very strange
[01:20] <gahan> what package contains kcontrolcenter?
[01:20] <KaiL> kcontrol
[01:21] <KaiL> (which is also the name of the binary :)
[01:27] <gahan> if i want my windowskey to run kde menu..?
[01:36] <randabis> hmm amarok won't start :/
[01:40] <smouche> randabis, might you have other sound apps running?
[01:41] <smouche> gahan, I don't think there's any way to get the windows key to work on its own -- best you can do is in combination with other keys
[01:41] <smouche> I use the windows key for all sorts of stuff like that, very convenient, avoids keybinding conflicts
[02:13] <kakalto> I'll be bacxk
[02:15] <Soyburg> I am trying to make a kmenu entry for firestarter and have tried 'sudo firstarter', which didn't work.  What command should I use instead if I want to be prompted for the password?
[02:17] <gbhat> anyone having problems due to KDE update from Kubuntu yesterday?
[02:18] <theD3viL> hm
[02:18] <theD3viL> what update? :P
[02:18] <Soyburg> i upgraded today and have none so far.  May I ask if your problems occured after a reboot and what kind of problems they are? 
[02:19] <Soyburg> at the bottom of my question is of course, whether I should shut down my box tonight .)
[02:19] <gbhat> kde-libs update
[02:20] <gbhat> my bad kdelibs-data
[02:20] <gbhat> Unpacking replacement kdelibs-data ...
[02:20] <gbhat> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4%3a3.4.0-0ubuntu3.1_all.deb (--unpack):
[02:20] <gbhat>  trying to overwrite `/usr/share/icons/default.kde', which is also in package knetworkconf
[02:20] <gbhat> Errors were encountered while processing:
[02:20] <gbhat>  /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4%3a3.4.0-0ubuntu3.1_all.deb
[02:20] <gbhat> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[02:21] <gbhat> that is the error I get on running apt-get upgrade
[02:21] <Soyburg> I did it with kynaptic and had no errors.
[02:21] <gbhat> well I am running Ubuntu
[02:21] <gbhat> have installed KDE on it using apt-get so I reckon it is recognised as kubuntu
[02:22] <Soyburg> wait just a second, i recall seeing a thread in the mailing list archive
[02:22] <gbhat> Hoary btw
[02:22] <gbhat> Soyburg, got a link?
[02:22] <leafw> any powerpc user with problems using wireless LANs with encryption?
[02:23] <Soyburg> http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-users/2005-April/000540.html
[02:23] <Soyburg> no idea if that helps, I didn't read it.
[02:26] <gbhat> that command no worky
[02:26] <gbhat> some wrong option set for dpkg
[02:28] <gbhat> Soyburg, alright that worked. TY
[02:29] <Soyburg> you are welcome
[02:29] <gbhat> now to see if KDE works
[02:33] <mikerobi> just installed kubuntu, but my old kde settings are being ignored, what do I need to do?
[03:08] <AceMan> gbhat: have you tried removing knetworkconf first, then installing kdelibs-data, and finally reinstalling knetwork conf? this worked for me.
[03:12] <KaiL> [GStreamer Error]  ALSA device "default" is already in use by another program
[03:12] <KaiL> uhm? wtf?
[03:12] <KaiL> (error in amarok)
[03:16] <Blissex> KaiL: http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxSoundALSA.html#sharing
[03:16] <KaiL> lol, only gstreamer thinks, this is a problem
[03:17] <KaiL> tvtime works, artsd works
[03:26] <KaiL> ...and the other two amarok engines too... bad for gstreamer *dpkg -P*
[03:35] <smouche> speaking of Amarok, in "Configure Amarok" under the engine tab, I have no sound system listed -- anyone know why?
[03:35] <smouche> also, is there anyway to turn off the eye candy in that thing?
[03:36] <mfilizzi> smouche: do you have the amarok-arts package (or any of the other ones) installed?
[03:36] <smouche> let me check mfilizzi 
[03:37] <smouche> yeah, amarok-arts
[03:38] <smouche> I see I think -- I had assumed I was using xine, but that's not installed for Amarok...
[03:38] <mfilizzi> hmm, odd, that is the one that provides the arts engine for the sound system.
[03:39] <mfilizzi> you can install the xine engine if you would like to use it (apt-get install amarok-xine)
[03:39] <smouche> well, mfilizzi, it's playing fine -- I was just wondering why nothing was listed
[03:39] <smouche> and I'm surprised that Amarok needs a seperate package for xine -- I have totem-xine installed; other apps seem to use it
[03:40] <smouche> thanks for the lead, mfilizzi
[03:40] <mfilizzi> I believe the debian package has them all bundled together, but in ubuntu they broke it up
[03:40] <bubi> does anyone knows how can i install newest version of kvirc 3.2 the one provided with kubuntu is outdated and it seems i cant get it thru apt
[03:41] <smouche> very strange, but I'm getting a much wider stereo image with amarok than I did with other players...
[03:41] <smouche> maybe I'm imagining it!
[03:44] <smouche> ugh -- I wish I had left well enough alone
[03:44] <smouche> E: kdelibs4:  subprocess post-installation script killed by signal (Interrupt)
[03:44] <smouche> E: amarok-gstreamer:  dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[03:44] <smouche> E: amarok-xine:  dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[03:45] <bubi> heh looks like noone uses kvirc here
[03:45] <smouche> etc (sorry to flood)
[05:35] <brazmetal> hey people... I think I have some modules I don't need.. How can I disable then in Kubuntu ?
[05:40] <Riddell> brazmetal: what do you mean by module?
[05:42] <brazmetal> Riddell, I don't know very well... I think the ones that appear when i run lsmod (It lists the modules running, right?)
[05:43] <Riddell> brazmetal: they won't do any harm
[05:43] <Riddell> you can try  sudo rmmod foo
[05:54] <brazmetal> Riddell, how they don't do any harm? Don't they make the system heavy ?
[06:31] <Riddell> brazmetal: they are unlikely to add any weight to your computer
[06:43] <stranger> if i want to take a database server out of automatic startup at boot...how is the best way to do that...just take the file out of init.d
[08:45] <jiger> hello everyone. doesn't kubuntu/ubuntu come with C/C++ installed?
[08:47] <jiger> damn nobody has any idea??!?!!
[08:55] <torpid> is there any fast convenient way to just download every file in an http directory?
[09:05] <shogouki> wget -R ?
[09:06] <shogouki> wget -r 
[09:24] <torpid> actually i need something different
[09:25] <torpid> i need to download every file directly linked to by links in a page.
[09:37] <shogouki> torpid: wget -r -l 1 url doesnt work ?
[09:37] <torpid> i'll try
[09:38] <torpid> no, it just gets the index.html, which is the only file in this directory
[09:38] <shogouki> can you paste the url ?
[09:39] <whiskey_1> has anybody successfully compiled rekall to see what shape it is in
[09:39] <whiskey_1> i am having the toughest time to set it up....it can't find the qt3 libs
[09:40] <whiskey_1> i thought it may help until kexi is ready
[09:40] <whiskey_1> has anybody tried to compile rekall at all
[09:57] <Choubaka> right...
[09:58] <ztonzy> heh
[09:58] <ztonzy> nice
[10:00] <edulix> hi !
[10:00] <edulix> I want to control fans and such things via i8k kernel module
[10:00] <edulix> wich graphical program do you recommend ?
[10:01] <edulix> I'm looking one for kde
[10:03] <bubi> hello 
[10:04] <bubi> did anyone tried to install Kvirc 3.2 on kubuntu
[10:04] <bubi> i cant
[10:04] <bubi> actually i dont know how to install Qt
[10:04] <bubi> :(
[10:08] <Choubaka> bubi: just install kvirc using synaptic or similar
[10:10] <Riddell> bubi: sudo apt-get install kvirc
[10:12] <bubi> that gives me only an old kvirc 2.1
[10:16] <Choubaka> aha
[10:16] <shogouki> bubi: apt-get install konversation ? ;)
[10:16] <gahan> how do i get my windows key to open kde menu?
[10:17] <bubi> shogouki: ur funny im using konversation right now :P
[10:17] <bubi> but kvirc is more likeable to me
[10:18] <bubi> Choubaka: i tied to install deb package but it gives me errors
[10:18] <bubi> tried*
[10:19] <Choubaka> where did you get that deb?
[10:19] <bubi> on kvirc page
[10:19] <Choubaka> hmm...
[10:19] <bubi> official release
[10:19] <buz> you could try building it yourself
[10:20] <bubi> i tried but wants Qt and i dont know how ti install Qt
[10:20] <Choubaka> bubi: hmm
[10:20] <buz> try apt-get build-dep kvirc
[10:20] <buz> maybe it has the same deps as kvirc 2.1
[10:20] <Choubaka> build a debian package.
[10:20] <Choubaka> wait
[10:24] <Choubaka> Hmm.
[10:24] <buz> the debs are compiled against qt 3.3.4
[10:24] <Choubaka> I wonder from what sources they compiled the debs
[10:24] <Choubaka> the default source tarball isn't debianised.
[10:26] <bubi> as i understood the tarball is os independent 
[10:27] <Choubaka> Well, it could still be debianised. :)
[10:27] <Choubaka> mplayer's tarball is debianised, for example.
[10:27] <Choubaka> all you need is a properly set up debian/ dir
[10:27] <bubi> i am new to debian in general, i used to have FC3 before
[10:27] <Choubaka> bubi: where does it fail?
[10:28] <bubi> QT
[10:28] <Choubaka> in ./configure?
[10:28] <bubi> yes
[10:28] <buz> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of kvirc:
[10:28] <buz>  kvirc depends on kvirc-data (>= 2:3.0.0); however:
[10:28] <buz>   Version of kvirc-data on system is 2:2.1.3.1-2.
[10:28] <buz>  kvirc depends on libqt3c102-mt (>= 3:3.3.4); however:
[10:28] <buz>   Version of libqt3c102-mt on system is 3:3.3.3-7ubuntu3.
[10:28] <buz> dpkg: error processing kvirc (--install):
[10:28] <buz>  dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[10:28] <buz> Errors were encountered while processing:
[10:28] <buz> the first one we could probably fix with another deb
[10:29] <Choubaka> alright...
[10:29] <bubi> thats deb package
[10:29] <buz> the second one is probably not even true
[10:29] <buz> can we somehow hack the deb to depend on 3.3.3?
[10:29] <buz> i doubt it won't work with 3.3.3
[10:29] <guran> Hi, anybody here know howto solve pb's when upgrading 'kdelibs-data_4%3a3.4.0-0ubuntu3.1_all.deb'?
[10:29] <Choubaka> They're compiled for sarge.
[10:29] <buz> yeah
[10:29] <buz> but qt 3.3.3 would probably be compatible with 3.3.4
[10:30] <Choubaka> know what?
[10:30] <Choubaka> I found the sources for the debs
[10:30] <Choubaka> so I can compile one for Hoary. :)
[10:30] <buz> mhh it got monster dependencies to build from source it seems
[10:31] <bubi> Choubaka: does that mean i can hope for :)
[10:31] <buz> while were at it
[10:31] <buz> when do we get kaffeine ubuntu3 in hoary???
[10:32] <bubi> brb
[10:32] <Choubaka> buz: you probably won't.
[10:32] <Choubaka> ubuntu doesn't get that many new packages.
[10:32] <Choubaka> only security updates.
[10:32] <buz> you know the current version is totally broken do you?
[10:32] <Choubaka> no I didn't
[10:32] <Choubaka> Then they probably will fix it :)
[10:32] <buz> they did
[10:32] <buz> only didnt put it to the mirrors :-(
[10:33] <buz> now if someone would fix udev on breezy....
[10:34] <buz> but that doesn't bother me today
[10:34] <buz> i got exam results and i'm happy ;-)
[10:34] <malte> \o/
[10:38] <Choubaka> bubi: I'm compiling a nice Hoary package now.
[10:38] <Choubaka> just wait. :)
[10:42] <bubi> and waiting :P
[10:44] <bubi> buz u got results today ??
[10:44] <buz> yeah
[10:44] <bubi> its saturday here
[10:45] <buz> so it is here
[10:45] <bubi> no school
[10:45] <buz> mail still gets delivered ;-)
[10:45] <bubi> hehe true
[10:45] <shogouki> a modern school 
[10:45] <bubi> what are u studying
[10:45] <buz> economics
[10:45] <bubi> nice
[10:46] <bubi> long sice school days :)
[10:46] <bubi> since*
[10:46] <buz> well i'd rather be 5 years older so i coul dhave surfed the dot com wave
[10:47] <bubi> :)
[10:47] <buz> chances are i wouldnt have to work these days ;)
[10:47] <shogouki> and go in space and found a cool debian based distro ? :)
[10:47] <buz> something like that yeah
[10:47] <buz> only i'd probably have based it around BSD ;)
[10:56] <Almindor> is there a way to turn on antialiasing for GTK apps?
[10:56] <Almindor> (of fonts)
[11:12] <Choubaka> Damn, the compilation takes time :<
[11:13] <bubi> what comp u have
[11:14] <bubi> brb need reboot
[11:19] <spiral> hi
[11:23] <bubi> uhm how can i kill a kdetv
[11:23] <bubi> it does not want to end
[11:25] <bubi> bash: kill: kdetv: arguments must be process or job IDs
[11:25] <bubi> how can i get that id
[11:25] <Choubaka> pidof kdetv
[11:26] <Choubaka> or just kill `pidof kdetv` <- note they're  backticks
[11:26] <bubi> hmm pidof kdetv freezes console :(
[11:26] <Choubaka> I have a 1.2GHz Duron processor and 512 MB of RAM.
[11:27] <Choubaka> bubi: ? :|
[11:27] <Choubaka> hmm
[11:27] <Choubaka> ps -A|grep kdetv
[11:28] <Choubaka> does it show <defunct>?
[11:28] <bubi> when i enter the command : kill `pidof kdetv` cursor jumps into next line and thats it
[11:28] <bubi> nothing 
[11:28] <bubi> blank line
[11:28] <Choubaka> try ctrl-C to break the process :P
[11:28] <Choubaka> bubi: then kdetv isn
[11:29] <Choubaka> isn't running it seems
[11:29] <bubi> kdetv: Unexpected argument 'isn'.
[11:29] <bubi> kdetv: Use --help to get a list of available command line options.
[11:29] <Choubaka> :D
[11:29] <Choubaka> I didn't mean you to run that.
[11:29] <bubi> ahh lol
[11:30] <bubi> im a newbie
[11:30] <bubi> sorry
[11:30] <Choubaka> No need to apologise 
[11:30] <Choubaka> You'll get the hang of things eventually.
[11:30] <bubi> hehe i hope
[11:30] <bubi> so what is this "isn" mean
[11:31] <Choubaka> I just pressed enter by accident.
[11:31] <Choubaka> :P
[11:31] <bubi> ahh
[11:31] <bubi> and i was so eager to run it in console :P
[11:32] <Choubaka> When asking for help on IRC, you get to use the console a lot
[11:32] <Choubaka> it's not because Linux distros are difficult and there's no GUI for the tasks.
[11:33] <bubi> so any other way to get rid of this kdetv, i tried to reboot but it starts automatically
[11:33] <Choubaka> It's because the command line is several times faster and more powerful than most GUI apps :P 
[11:33] <bubi> yeah i know that :P
[11:34] <bubi> learned in the old DOS days
[11:34] <Choubaka> the dos command line is nothing compared to modern shells though 
[11:34] <Choubaka> :)
[11:34] <bubi> well u have to have in mind that i started to use Linux just a few months ago
[11:35] <Choubaka> Yeah, sure.
[11:35] <bubi> i made a permanent decision to never again install win on my comp
[11:35] <Choubaka> Cool.
[11:36] <Choubaka> Let's hope you can stay that wayl
[11:36] <Choubaka> s/l/./
[11:37] <Choubaka> I don't have windows on aby of my computers either.
[11:37] <Choubaka> any*
[11:37] <Choubaka> damn I'm typoing again
[11:37] <Choubaka> ohh.
[11:37] <Choubaka> :(
[11:38] <Choubaka> Just after I managed to get those kvirc packages compiled, too. :P
[11:40] <Choubaka> welcome back :P
[11:40] <bubi> heh my comp just rebooted it self :(
[11:40] <Choubaka> ?(
[11:41] <shogouki> maybe a new feature of workrave ? :)
[11:41] <bubi> while i was typing a message here
[11:41] <Choubaka> It shouldn't do such things.
[11:41] <Choubaka> that's too windowsy :(
[11:41] <bubi> i guess it has something to do with this annoying kdetv
[11:41] <bubi> i cant get rid of it :(
[11:42] <bubi> anyways hows compiling goes :)
[11:42] <Choubaka> done :)
[11:42] <bubi> \o/
[11:43] <Choubaka> just after you got connection reset :P
[11:43] <bubi> Choubaka: where are u from
[11:43] <Choubaka> Finland
[11:43] <bubi> uhh cold 
[11:43] <Choubaka> nah
[11:43] <bubi> im from slovenia
[11:43] <Choubaka> :)
[11:44] <Choubaka> now wait a moment, I'll put the packages online
[11:44] <bubi> kk
[11:44] <shogouki> so cold that only hobbies are to create kernels
[11:44] <bubi> lol
[11:45] <bubi> not true they have some of the best bands 
[11:45] <bubi> specially in metal area :P
[11:45] <bubi> like Nightwish and likes
[11:49] <bubi> Choubaka: i have to go to store to do some shopping ill be back in an hour
[11:50] <Choubaka> hmm
[11:50] <Choubaka> wait
[11:51] <Choubaka> deb http://choubaka.no-ip.com/~jarkko/ ./ <- I created an apt repo. 
[11:51] <Choubaka> you can of course just download the packages from that url directly. :p
[11:56] <jnoon> how can i get a volume control on my panel? the arts control applet says "arts control cannot be loaded. please check your installation"
[11:57] <jnoon> sound works...
[11:57] <jnoon> just no nice volume control :/
[11:58] <shogouki> kmix ?
[11:59] <bubi> Choubaka: what command do i have to issue for thaT
[11:59] <Choubaka> bubi: add the repo to your sources.list
[11:59] <bubi> with deb infront ?
[12:00] <Choubaka> yeah
[12:00] <Choubaka> deb http://choubaka.no-ip.com/~jarkko/ ./
[12:01] <Choubaka> note that I only have 50kB/s upstream :P
[12:01] <bubi>  ./ at the end ?
[12:01] <Choubaka> yeah
[12:02] <Choubaka> that entire line
[12:02] <Choubaka> nothing else
[12:02] <Choubaka> there's also a source repo :)
[12:02] <Choubaka> (to comply with the GPL :P)
[12:02] <jnoon> shogouki, thanks kmix works good... 
[12:02] <bubi> hehe
[12:03] <bubi> apt or dpkg ?
[12:03] <Choubaka> you can apt-get install kvirc now
[12:03] <bubi> cool
[12:03] <Choubaka> and it should get the newer version
[12:03] <buz> lets see if its any good
[12:05] <Choubaka> is it downloading the newer version?
[12:05] <bubi> yeh 
[12:05] <bubi> :)
[12:05] <buz> yeah
[12:06] <buz> Setting up kvirc (2.1.3.1-2) ...
[12:06] <buz> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://choubaka.no-ip.com ./ Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/choubaka.no-ip.com_%7ejarkko_._Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[12:06] <buz> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://choubaka.no-ip.com ./ Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/choubaka.no-ip.com_%7ejarkko_._Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[12:06] <buz> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[12:06] <Choubaka> oh, it installed the old version :(
[12:06] <Choubaka> weird
[12:06] <bubi> \\\\\O//////
[12:06] <bubi> yeah 
[12:06] <buz> stupid me 
[12:07] <buz> i forgot apt-ge tupdat
[12:07] <bubi> Choubaka: u are a god :P
[12:07] <bubi> it works
[12:07] <Choubaka> bubi: :D
[12:07] <bubi> i always knew u finnish ppl are the best
[12:07] <bubi> judging by the music
[12:08] <bubi> ofc
[12:08] <buz> true
[12:08] <buz> land of nightwish, after all
[12:08] <bubi> yeah
[12:08] <Choubaka> :P
[12:08] <bubi> my kind of stuff
[12:08] <buz> tho nightwish used to be better before they got famous
[12:09] <bubi> well i like them even now :P
[12:09] <buz> yeah sure
[12:09] <buz> but their older albums are better imho
[12:09] <bubi> now i really have to run
[12:09] <Choubaka> So, hmm.
[12:09] <bubi> bbl
[12:09] <buz> oceanborn has a safe place in my top albums of all time list
[12:10] <Choubaka> I only really ran two commands to build those packages ;P
[12:10] <buz> and used some time
[12:10] <buz> nice
[12:11] <|buz|> lets see
[12:12] <Choubaka> 13:11 [freenode]  CTCP VERSION reply from |buz|: KVIrc 3.2.0 'Realia' - 2005.02.26 - build Sat Apr 23 08:38:52 UTC 2005 :)
[12:14] <|buz|> mhh kinda overloaded this thing
[12:14] <|buz|> not sure if i don't prefer konversation
[12:18] <Choubaka> you kde people have a huge selection of IRC clients. :P
[12:18] <Choubaka> I only know one decent GTK2 client.
[12:18] <buz> most gnome apps suck anyway
[12:18] <Choubaka> I disagree :P
[12:18] <shogouki> we only need gimp (and maybe firefox)
[12:19] <buz> possible exception synaptic
[12:19] <buz> ok firefox
[12:19] <buz> but thats no real gnome app
[12:19] <buz> thunderbird, too
[12:19] <Choubaka> besides, KDE lacks proper input method support..
[12:19] <buz> and gimp probably got the worst gui ever
[12:19] <buz> krita already beats it senseless
[12:20] <buz> btw where did those krita debs live again
[12:20] <buz> i accidentally removed krita
[12:20] <buz> ah no
[12:20] <buz> still here
[12:20] <buz> weird
[12:20] <Choubaka> but saying "most gnome apps suck" is not wise. :P
[12:21] <buz> as if nautilus or evolution was any good
[12:21] <Choubaka> I don't use either.
[12:21] <Choubaka> oh, well, "gnome" apps may suck
[12:22] <Choubaka> but "most"  GTK2 apps don't
[12:22] <Choubaka> I don't use Gnome anyway :)
[12:24] <shogouki> ubuntu% apt-cache search krita | wc -l
[12:24] <shogouki> 0
[12:25] <shogouki> :/
[12:55] <gahan> my kdm doesnt display user list as it did before... why?
[01:24] <jnoon> any ksokoban pros? :)
[01:26] <shogouki> jnoon: blocked ?
[01:28] <jnoon> lol.. sasquatch level 2... thats a bad sign i guess
[01:33] <shogouki> jnoon: move all blocks on the right
[01:33] <shogouki> push the right most block to top
[01:34] <shogouki> then all others on left
[01:34] <shogouki> then on bottom
[01:34] <shogouki> push the block on the bottom to right
[01:34] <shogouki> er left
[01:35] <jnoon> ok so ive got 2 filled and 2 in the open
[01:35] <shogouki> the push the block on your top right to bottom
[01:36] <shogouki> its ok ?
[01:36] <jnoon> think so
[01:37] <shogouki> damn i'll play ksokoban for the rest of the day :/
[01:37] <jnoon> lol
[01:37] <jnoon> i get stuck with 3 filled and 1 in a spot where i cant move it or else it will be unmovable
[01:39] <shogouki> lets be more scientific, the (0,0) point is the piece of wall at bottom left
[01:40] <jnoon> k
[01:41] <shogouki> (1,2)  (3,3) (4,4) (6,7)
[01:41] <shogouki> have you gems at these places ?
[01:42] <shogouki> ksokoban needs a movement im/export function :/
[01:42] <jnoon> no.. let me coordinate
[01:43] <jnoon> if 0,0 is the first playable game area square... i have 1,2 2,3 3,4 and 4,5
[01:44] <shogouki> for me (0,0) s a wall :)
[01:44] <jnoon> with landing spots in 0,1 1,1  and 5,5 5,6
[01:45] <jnoon> does your actually show the coords.. ie 0,0 or are you just figuring them? mine doesnt have coords
[01:46] <jnoon> ksokoban 0.4.2 sasquatch level 00002
[01:46] <shogouki> http://n.mo.free.fr/temp/soko.png
[01:47] <jnoon> ok thats the one
[01:47] <shogouki> have you this ?
[01:48] <jnoon> yep
[01:48] <shogouki> i number gems from left to right
[01:48] <shogouki> 2 on bottom, 3 on top
[01:48] <shogouki> 3 right, top right
[01:49] <shogouki> 2 top, left, bottom
[01:51] <jnoon> ok i get the numbering.. but does top bottom right left mean push it that way or be on that side?
[01:51] <gahan> can someone tell where are my desktop icons hidden
[01:51] <shogouki> push
[01:52] <jnoon> wow that made it so easy
[01:52] <jnoon> i couldnt get them seperated for my life.. thanks!
[01:52] <jnoon> i musta spent an hour before this lol
[01:52] <jnoon> gahan /home/yourusername/Desktop?
[01:53] <shogouki> thrid level is more complicate, i dont get it
[01:53] <jnoon> no worries
[01:56] <shogouki> damn i had passed so many sokoban levels before, but it was in my exams revisions, i was more motivated :)
[01:59] <bubi> where can i find all runing pids in kubuntu
[02:01] <buz> ps waux
[02:01] <buz> or top
[02:01] <bubi> ??
[02:04] <AMIGrAve> hi all
[02:05] <candyban> Hi guys
[02:06] <candyban> Is it possible to make konsole translucent?
[02:06] <candyban> (not the "transparant" copy part of the background image and paste it in the konsole back)
[02:13] <jnoon> shogouki, finished level 3... a bit tedious but more obvious at least to me... but then again i was just learning the game on level 2
[02:46] <AMIGrAve> is there something in kde that can quickly make an html photo album ?
[02:53] <ubuntu> list
[03:10] <SpookyET> Hi.
[03:12] <SpookyET> I had to reinstall xp, and grub was overwritten.  I'm wondering how to make the XP boot loader to boot kubuntu.  I've looked at some articles, but they all have NTBoot -> Grub -> Linux.  There is no Grub anymore.  Can it be made to NTBoot -> Linux?
[03:16] <Anlar> spooky: you hve to you the grub. install it on the partition, not on the mbr
[03:17] <Anlar> spooky: on your /boot partition that is
[03:17] <Anlar> or at least it is more handy and working that way.
[03:19] <SpookyET> it's been overwritten
[03:19] <SpookyET> how can i recover it
[03:19] <Anlar> you can mount/chroot into your linux and reinstall it from there
[03:20] <SpookyET> i can't boot into linux
[03:21] <Anlar> if you don't have any livecds around, you deserve it
[03:23] <SpookyET> i got slax
[03:34] <kernelpanik> chi parla italiano?
[03:43] <TechLord_Work> anyone here
[03:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> to do what techlord?
[03:45] <TechLord_Work> kaffeine won't play dvd's it just crashes
[03:45] <TechLord_Work> it also crashes when i try to change xine engine prarmeters
[03:47] <TechLord_Work> i also can't find a xine executable on my system
[03:47] <Kyaneos> hello
[03:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> can you find xine with whereis?
[03:48] <Kyaneos> hello
[03:48] <theD3viL> hi
[03:48] <Kyaneos> i have a problem
[03:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok....
[03:48] <Kyaneos> i have installed a server-expert kubuntu
[03:48] <TechLord_Work> if finds 2 dir one is /usr/lib/xine the other in /usr/share/xine
[03:48] <Kyaneos> and now i have installed kde
[03:48] <theD3viL> .
[03:49] <Kyaneos> but i have problems with su/sudo
[03:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> the usr/share/xine would be the app
[03:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> what problems, not there? failing? whats up kyaneos
[03:50] <IronRoses> hello
[03:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi
[03:50] <IronRoses> I just tryed to update kubuntu and theres a broken package..lol
[03:50] <TechLord_Work> i wish it was but it's a folder that has libxine1/fonts in it 
[03:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok. so you dont have the app
[03:50] <Kyaneos> Kamping_Kaiser: if i try, in kcontrol, change to administrator mode, it prompts me and when i write the root password, it says: Conversation with su failed
[03:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> :| wtf techlord_work?
[03:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> kyaneos, open konsole, and type su or sudo in there, see what happens
[03:51] <theD3viL> i installed tuxracer and supertux but they arent in menus ... wtf? games aint in menus... how can i enable it ?
[03:51] <IronRoses> well, i set a root password up, and now kubuntu thinks i have 2 root passwords and keeps changing back to username pass then back to the root pass i set
[03:52] <IronRoses> it's pretty shit
[03:52] <Kyaneos> Kamping_Kaiser: if i type su it requests me a password
[03:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> thed3vil, its not a standard package. 
[03:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> you need debian menu or similar
[03:52] <alex_kubuntu> hi everyone !
[03:52] <theD3viL> how can i get it?
[03:52] <IronRoses> hey
[03:52] <Kyaneos> Kamping_Kaiser: i type the root password and it prompts me to #
[03:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> apt 
[03:53] <alex_kubuntu> does anyone know what is the package name for a KDE color selector in kubuntu ?
[03:53] <theD3viL> apt-get install debian menu or something? :S
[03:53] <IronRoses> it's apt-get install menu
[03:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> kyaneos, can you past it to the screen (minus the password)
[03:53] <theD3viL> tnx
[03:53] <theD3viL> ;)
[03:53] <Kyaneos> kyaneos@nabucodonosor:~$ sudo kuser
[03:53] <Kyaneos> kyaneos is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported.
[03:53] <Kyaneos> kyaneos@nabucodonosor:~$   
[03:53] <theD3viL> wait i will try
[03:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> i think its menu thed3vil
[03:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> not debian menu
[03:54] <TechLord_Work> kamping_kaiser i don't appear to the the xine executable on my system. what package would i want to install to get that 
[03:54] <theD3viL> Kamping_Kaiser: k, i will try now
[03:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> try xine
[03:54] <theD3viL> Kamping_Kaiser: installing..
[03:54] <theD3viL> Kamping_Kaiser: must i restart X ?
[03:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> dont think so, but you might have to
[03:54] <Kyaneos> Kamping_Kaiser: any idea??
[03:54] <IronRoses> this kubuntu is awfull, you try ti update and it complains about broken packages, you set a root password up andthen it reverts back to user pass then back to the set root password you just made.....This is bollocks..
[03:55] <theD3viL> Kamping_Kaiser: nothing happens just install it... i will try restart X .. brb
[03:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> kyaneos, so you have any other user acounts installed?
[03:55] <Kyaneos> yes
[03:55] <TechLord_Work> Kamping_Kaiser xine command not found
[03:55] <Kyaneos> kyaneos user is added to the system
[03:56] <Kyaneos> it is different that in ubuntu
[03:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> kyaneos, whatever user you added first, use that for sudo,
[03:56] <Kyaneos> in ubuntu root password is the same tha user password
[03:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> try su yourusername
[03:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> no, in ubuntu there IS NO ROOT
[03:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> techlord
[03:56] <Kyaneos> Kamping_Kaiser: and what password i type??
[03:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> try apt-cache search xine
[03:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> see what that produces
[03:56] <IronRoses> the pass you made when you set you user account up in the install
[03:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes. thats the sudo password. your not actualy using the root acount.
[03:57] <alex_kubuntu> any hint for my problem ?
[03:57] <theD3viL> Kamping_Kaiser: TNX, its working... but now is smailiar fonts, its great... tnx 100000x
[03:57] <alex_kubuntu> i am looking for the package name for kde color selector...
[03:57] <Kyaneos> Kamping_Kaiser: i did it
[03:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> sory no alex_kubuntu
[03:58] <shogouki> alex_kubuntu: kcoloredit / kcolorchooser
[03:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> cool hte devil
[03:58] <theD3viL> :D
[03:58] <IronRoses> has anyone tryed updating kubuntu yet?
[03:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> great kyaneous. whats with it?
[03:58] <Kyaneos> Kamping_Kaiser: what i do now??
[03:58] <theD3viL> hmmmmmmmmmm......... 
[03:58] <alex_kubuntu> thanks you !
[03:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> kyaneos
[03:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> so you got into your other acount?
[03:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> NOW try sudo
[03:59] <Kyaneos> i got in the same acount
[03:59] <theD3viL> Kamping_Kaiser: 1 more problem..... in login screen i have 1280x1024 and i wanna have 1024x786.. what to do? :S
[03:59] <Kyaneos> sudo what?
[03:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> thed3vil try pressing ctr+alt+"-"
[03:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> sudo anything
[03:59] <IronRoses> theD3vil, i have it on that resolution now, and when i try to put it on so,mthing lower, my screen goes out of sync
[04:00] <IronRoses> stuff this, I'm going back to debian
[04:00] <theD3viL> :
[04:00] <TechLord_Work> kamping_kaiser that generates a long list of installed modules that reference xine. i do see libxine1 which states Xine/ Video/media playerlibrary, binary files
[04:00] <theD3viL> but i have 60hz only if i have 1280x1024
[04:00] <IronRoses> this is complete and utter shit, bugs and mis prints every where, plusbroken packages
[04:00] <IronRoses> have fun guys
[04:00] <theD3viL> Kamping_Kaiser: i will try...
[04:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> cool
[04:00] <IronRoses> bye
[04:01] <theD3viL> brb .. i must go playing tuxracer a bit :D
[04:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[04:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> have funn
[04:01] <theD3viL> tnx ;)
[04:01] <theD3viL> brb
[04:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> techlord_work. yes it does
[04:01] <Kyaneos> Kamping_Kaiser: 
[04:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> juts a tic techlord
[04:01] <TechLord_Work> ok
[04:01] <oDysseas> hi all, I know I should rtfm but I'm in a hurry so could someone please tell me how to install k3b with dvd support?
[04:02] <Kyaneos> Kamping_Kaiser: i can not sudo
[04:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> what are you after agian techlord... i forgot  :| *embarased* to many questions
[04:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> kyaneos. is this a custom install?
[04:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> type
[04:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> su root
[04:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> not SUDO just "su" without the "do"
[04:03] <Kyaneos> Kamping_Kaiser: custom??
[04:03] <Kyaneos> Kamping_Kaiser: server-expert
[04:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> so not a standard install in other words?
[04:03] <Kyaneos> i can do su root
[04:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok
[04:04] <Kyaneos> and i am root
[04:04] <Kyaneos> Kamping_Kaiser: yes
[04:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> your root?
[04:04] <Kyaneos> i am kyaneos, normal user
[04:04] <uniq_> oDysseas: sudo apt-get install k3b growisofs dvd+rw-tools
[04:04] <Kyaneos> when i do su root and type de pass i am root
[04:04] <oDysseas> ok uniq_ thx
[04:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok. get into root
[04:05] <theD3viL> back ........ :)
[04:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> then type 
[04:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> visudo
[04:05] <Kyaneos> Kamping_Kaiser: i got
[04:05] <oDysseas> uniq_, says can't find k3b package =/
[04:05] <edulix> hey is it normal that /proc/cpufreq tells me that maximun cpu freq is 70% ?
[04:05] <Kyaneos> Kamping_Kaiser: ok
[04:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> and add the line 
[04:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> Kyaneos  ALL=(ALL) ALL
[04:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> at the bototm
[04:06] <edulix> it does so when I unpplug the power wire of my laptop, and keeps saying so when plug it
[04:06] <uniq_> oDysseas: add more repositories; http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[04:06] <oDysseas> ok uniq_ thx again
[04:06] <Kyaneos> Kamping_Kaiser: i did it yet
[04:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol @ kernelpanik
[04:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> you added yourself kyaneos?
[04:07] <Kyaneos> i wrote it
[04:07] <TechLord_Work> edulix you don't have cpu throttling turned on in klaptop do you 
[04:07] <Kyaneos> and now??
[04:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> exit root
[04:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> and type sudo bash
[04:07] <Kyaneos> ok
[04:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> enter your password, and you should be in a root environment
[04:08] <Kyaneos> i have not enter my pass
[04:08] <edulix> TechLord_Work: yes, it's set to 00%
[04:08] <Kyaneos> it prompt directly
[04:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> kyaneos, go back into root (su root)
[04:09] <Kyaneos> ok
[04:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> then type "tail /etc/sudoers.list"
[04:09] <Kyaneos> root@nabucodonosor:/home/kyaneos # tail /etc/sudoers.list
[04:09] <Kyaneos> tail: cannot open `/etc/sudoers.list' for reading: No such file or directory
[04:09] <Kyaneos> root@nabucodonosor:/home/kyaneos #
[04:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> no .list 
[04:09] <TechLord_Work> edulix what is your preformance profile set 2
[04:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> i just checked sorry
[04:09] <Kyaneos> no
[04:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> root@rommel:~ # tail /etc/sudoers
[04:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> like that
[04:10] <Kyaneos> root    ALL=(ALL) ALL
[04:10] <Kyaneos> kyaneos ALL=(ALL) ALL
[04:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> good.
[04:10] <Kyaneos> at the bottom of the file
[04:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> thats what it should say
[04:10] <edulix> TechLord_Work: peromance is set to "performance"
[04:11] <edulix> TechLord_Work: I mean, policy is set to "performance"
[04:11] <Quinn_Storm> hey, does anyone know if there is a patch in the works for / a way to fix the fact that in the themed KDM, the menu-buttons pop up menus on the wrong Xinerama screen? (my setup has screen 0 on the right and screen 1 on the left, clicking on buttons on screen 0 causes menus on screen 1)
[04:11] <Kyaneos> Kamping_Kaiser: and now??
[04:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> now when it says
[04:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> kyaneos@nabucodonosor:/home/kyaneos you can just put in 
[04:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> sudo bash
[04:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> and enter YOUR password, and you are in the root acount
[04:12] <Kyaneos> ok
[04:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> or you can type
[04:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> su root
[04:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> and the ROOT password, to use the root acount athat way
[04:12] <Kyaneos> when sudo requests me a password, i type my user password??
[04:12] <Kyaneos> ah
[04:12] <Kyaneos> ok
[04:12] <Kyaneos> ok
[04:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> techlord_work. you ok?
[04:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> i seem to have forgoten you
[04:13] <TechLord_Work> i think i have reinstall libxine1 
[04:13] <Kyaneos> thank you very very very very much Kamping_Kaiser 
[04:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok.
[04:13] <Kyaneos> thank you very very very very much Kamping_Kaiser 
[04:14] <TechLord_Work> searched the whole system and no xine executable found
[04:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> no worries mate ;) have fun
[04:14] <Kyaneos> Kamping_Kaiser: and sorry for my english
[04:14] <Kyaneos> Kamping_Kaiser: thx
[04:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> thats ok kyaneos
[04:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> i could understand you :)
[04:14] <TechLord_Work> only can't install it right now laptop has no internet i'm at work so only my desktop has internet access
[04:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> im using ubuntu breezy, so things will be slightly different, but if you install somthing like xine-ui that should pull in xine as a dependancy.
[04:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> possibly even from the cd
[04:16] <TechLord_Work> i'll try the cd i have that available 
[04:16] <TechLord_Work> brb
[04:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> k
[04:16] <candyban> Hi guys
[04:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi
[04:16] <candyban> Is KDE compiled with gcc 4?
[04:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> no
[04:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> afaik
[04:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> kde4 has been out for < 3 days
[04:16] <candyban> as I seemed to have read that gcc 4 would speed up kde ...
[04:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> *gcc4
[04:17] <Quinn_Storm> yeah kde4 isn't out yet, it is waiting on qt4
[04:17] <theD3viL> Kamping_Kaiser: which fonts are u using in FF ? :)
[04:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> not sure :) 
[04:17] <theD3viL> look ? ;)
[04:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> just a tic ;)
[04:18] <theD3viL> am?
[04:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> serif, sans-serif monospace
[04:19] <theD3viL> k tnx =)
[04:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[04:19] <AMIGrAve> how can I install Kipi plugins ? I've got libkipi0 but got no plugins in the gwenview settings
[04:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> no worries
[04:19] <Quinn_Storm> AMIGrAve: what is that btw, sounds like something I might want to look at...(and thus be able to help you with)
[04:19] <confrey> hy everybody
[04:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> hey
[04:20] <confrey> I have installed kubuntu, and i have ugraded kdelibs-data; now I haven't the auto mount of removable devices, like was in gnome; how can I have it?
[04:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> confrey. did you upgrade ubuntu to kubuntu, or use kubuntu installer?
[04:22] <confrey> I have installed it from ubuntu cd; then I uncommented some lines in sources.list, and the made dist-upgrade
[04:22] <confrey> what's kubuntu installer?
[04:23] <theD3viL> Kamping_Kaiser: are u playing games... on linux ? ;)
[04:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> ah. things have been know to break doing an update from ubuntu
[04:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> thed3vil. not yet, but hope to some time :) i have started playing with wine
[04:23] <theD3viL> wine... can u ??
[04:23] <theD3viL> ;)
[04:23] <theD3viL> cedega is batter isnt it?
[04:24] <theD3viL> but... its not free i think :S
[04:24] <Anlar> I got a few games working perfectly with Wine..
[04:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> cedega is a directX emulator, so needed for things like HL2
[04:24] <theD3viL> aha
[04:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> quake3 for example is fine under wine
[04:24] <theD3viL> what about steam .. can u play in linux?
[04:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> doom 3 is also WITH A LOT OF PAIN :)
[04:24] <theD3viL> :DDDDd
[04:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> steam :O a man after my own heart. need cedega
[04:24] <confrey> Kamping_Kaiser: do you have auto mount of cd and usb pen in kubuntu?
[04:24] <Anlar> wine has no emulating parts whatsoever. it provides that apis natively.
[04:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> i dont have it
[04:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> confrey. i use ubuntu
[04:25] <theD3viL> Kamping_Kaiser: please look pvt ;) 
[04:26] <confrey> I have seen kde 3.4, and I prefer it insetad gnome; do you think is better to install ubuntu and then to add kde envirinment?
[04:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> no, go direct to kubuntu.
[04:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> the upgrade fucks things up
[04:28] <AceMan> is it ok to install kde programs after installing kubuntu?
[04:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes
[04:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> should be
[04:29] <AceMan> thx, i thought as much but what do i know   :)
[04:29] <candyban> I think the panels of gnome are better ... It's quite easy to add stuff to it (at least it feels more intuitive than kde) ... 
[04:29] <AceMan> agreed. kubuntu's great but uubuntu's just more 'polished' i think
[04:29] <Quinn_Storm> candyban: the only thing I like better about gnome's panel is that you can move / access applet menus without the little "handles"
[04:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> aceman. thats because lots of the gnome devs are ubuntu devs :)\
[04:30] <Anlar> gnome doesn't have "lots of devs".
[04:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> ?
[04:31] <Anlar> there's surprisingly little amount of devs. that's why they can't keep up the pace anymore.
[04:31] <AceMan> ??
[04:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok. fair enough
[04:31] <candyban> Anlar: How many kde developers are there ? And how many gnome developers?
[04:32] <Anlar> candyban: it at least so since they haven't invented anything exactly new in the last couple years.. no idea about the actual numbers.
[04:32] <candyban> Anlar: I thought the reason why gnome "can't keep up the pace" is that a lot of big companies want the ABI to be stable as they have increasingly higher interests in gnome
[04:33] <Anlar> why would anyone be really interested in gnome? beats me.
[04:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> ...
[04:33] <Choubaka> well
[04:33] <Choubaka> GTK2 is LGPL
[04:33] <Quinn_Storm> once kde hits 4.0 I think its going to blow gnome away...it already has far tighter self-integration/coherence than gnome and is only going to get better
[04:33] <Choubaka> whereas QT is GPL
[04:34] <Choubaka> so commercial/non-free apps can't be made with QT 
[04:34] <abelli> ciao a autti
[04:34] <Quinn_Storm> Choubaka: they can but you have to buy Qt under the other license from trolltech
[04:34] <abelli> is there any known problem with kubuntu and automounting?
[04:34] <abelli> amu: ciao :)
[04:34] <Choubaka> Quinn_Storm: yeah.
[04:34] <Choubaka> But why would they do that when there's GTK2?
[04:34] <candyban> Quinn_Storm: What's so revolutionary about QT4 ?
[04:35] <Quinn_Storm> candyban: Cairo
[04:35] <Choubaka> QT4 will finally have input modules \\o//
[04:35] <Anlar> choubaka: the commercial version (which you would use anyways in commercial products) is not such.
[04:35] <candyban> Quinn_Storm: I though Cairo was also to be integrated in gtk?
[04:35] <Quinn_Storm> Choubaka: yeah, and there's also the standard "but gtk2 is C, qt requires C++"
[04:35] <Choubaka> Which means I will be able to seriously consider usink KDE :p
[04:35] <Quinn_Storm> candyban: yeah, just you asked what was revolutionary :-P
[04:35] <Choubaka> Quinn_Storm: I was under the impression C++ is getting popular.
[04:36] <Choubaka> usink?
[04:36] <Quinn_Storm> Choubaka: it is, but some business types are dinosaur-ish
[04:36] <Choubaka> wtf am I, russian
[04:36] <Choubaka> using* :)
[04:36] <candyban> Quinn_Storm: What's the timeline for QT4 ? (and kde 4)
[04:36] <Choubaka> Anyway, GTK and QT are both good.
[04:36] <Quinn_Storm> candyban: I'm not the person to ask, unfortunately //-.-\\
[04:37] <Quinn_Storm> Choubaka: yeah, though don't even try using GTK1.x (yuck), but I have done some GTK2 dev, and it was smooth
[04:37] <Choubaka> Quinn_Storm: Yeah -_-
[04:37] <Quinn_Storm> Choubaka: I built a "dock" app for the xfce panel (was using it when I had a box w/ 32MB ram)
[04:37] <Choubaka> GTK1.2 doesn't even support UTF-8 :|
[04:37] <Quinn_Storm> Choubaka: and by "dock" I don't mean "ugly eye-candy" but "functional taskbar/app-launcher"
[04:37] <Choubaka> Yeah. :P
[04:38] <Choubaka> I'm still using XFCE4
[04:38] <Anlar> qt4 will be released this summer.
[04:38] <Quinn_Storm> I like xfce4 well enough...oh, I also built a sound-event-thing, but I think the source to both is lost to history
[04:38] <candyban> Which desktop manager uses most resources? KDE (3.4) or Gnome (2.10)?
[04:38] <Quinn_Storm> candyban: that is a tough question...in my experience it was gnome but I think that depends on situation
[04:39] <Choubaka> That probably depends a lot on your configuration :P
[04:39] <Anlar> a full blown kde takes ~15M 
[04:39] <Choubaka> Anlar: ok, wtf?
[04:39] <Quinn_Storm> candyban: gtk certainly uses less resources by itself than qt but gnome is...bloaty
[04:39] <Anlar> nah.. kde itself is pretty light and especially the qt4 will cut it even more down.. and Arthur will definitely rock.
[04:39] <Choubaka> Anlar: no way it consumes only that much.
[04:40] <Quinn_Storm> what's an Arthur? (I've missed something)
[04:40] <Anlar> add the applications.. of course I am not counting them since you could run whatever taking several gigabytes.. but the barebone desktop+kicker isn't a big one
[04:40] <Choubaka> well, duh. :p
[04:41] <abelli> please, is there anyproblem with cd automatic mounting with kubuntu?
[04:41] <Choubaka> Anyways, XFCE4 beats both of them!
[04:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> abelli. your the second person tonight to ask, but i didnt know of one
[04:42] <Quinn_Storm> Choubaka: xfce is quite nice but it doesn't have the tight integration that kde has (or the dcop & kio subsystems that allow for it)
[04:42] <abelli> Choubaka: wmi.modprobe.de :)
[04:42] <abelli> Kamping_Kaiser: tonite ? where are you? :)
[04:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> australia. its 12 minutes past midnight here
[04:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> in central australia
[04:43] <abelli> Kamping_Kaiser: ou la la .. are you going to ubuntu down under?
[04:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> quite a few people are, but not more then other places afaik
[04:44] <Choubaka> Quinn_Storm: Heh.
[04:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> most ppl im in contact with are using debian of some description
[04:44] <Choubaka> abelli: cool.
[04:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> abelli. where are you?
[04:44] <Choubaka> I wish my computer wasn't such a piece of crap
[04:44] <abelli> Choubaka: welcome to the club :)
[04:44] <Quinn_Storm> Choubaka: how crappy is it?
[04:44] <abelli> Kamping_Kaiser: Italia
[04:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[04:45] <Choubaka> Quinn_Storm: crashes often
[04:45] <Choubaka> dying hardware...
[04:45] <abelli> its 4:47 here ...
[04:45] <abelli> 4 pm .. obviously
[04:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> heh. yeh.
[04:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> funny
[04:45] <Choubaka> I'd toy with renderaccel, composite and cairo otherwise.
[04:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> sure its not 4 45?
[04:45] <abelli> no
[04:46] <Choubaka> but enabling those will kill my comp.
[04:46] <Quinn_Storm> abelli: sounds like you need to use an ntp server :-P
[04:46] <abelli> everythings relative even time .. maybe there's some time-hole between you and me.
[04:46] <abelli> porqua?
[04:46] <abelli> Quinn_Storm: why?
[04:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> ntp. keeps your clock on time
[04:46] <Quinn_Storm> abelli: just being silly b/c you were two minutes off from those of us who use ntp
[04:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> yours is wrong ;)
[04:46] <Choubaka> Quinn_Storm: I hace 1.2 Duron, 512MB ram, and nvidia gf 4 mx
[04:46] <abelli> Quinn_Storm: ntpdate is always wrong ..
[04:47] <candyban> Choubaka: that's not too bad
[04:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> abelli. depends which servers your with
[04:47] <abelli> Quinn_Storm: please http://www.marzocca.net/linux/ubm.html and deactive that service :)
[04:47] <Choubaka> candyban: well, no
[04:47] <Choubaka> but it's utter crap
[04:47] <Choubaka> and it's dying
[04:47] <Quinn_Storm> Choubaka: at least your graphics card is better than mine...with those specs you shouldn't be crashy...get the nvidia modules and stuff, make sure you have latest nvidia drivers
[04:47] <Choubaka> unreliable, noisy and ...
[04:47] <candyban> Choubaka: Using P4 2.4 / 512 MB /GF 4200 here
[04:48] <Choubaka> Quinn_Storm: I have the latest drivers.
[04:48] <candyban> Choubaka: I have it for 1.5 years now
[04:48] <Quinn_Storm> Choubaka: the binary drivers?
[04:48] <abelli> huh .. i need a little help, could you please list all the audio servers you know?
[04:48] <Choubaka> yeah
[04:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol. im in candybans leage
[04:48] <Choubaka> and for server, a 500MHz P3 with 128MB ram and some S3 graphix
[04:48] <Choubaka> :D
[04:48] <Quinn_Storm> Choubaka: strange, b/c that box should be plenty stable...are you sure its cooled well enough? (set up lm-sensors & check)
[04:48] <candyban> Choubaka: P2 400 (firewall)
[04:48] <Choubaka> That comp is _way_ more reliable than this one
[04:49] <candyban> Correction ... I have mine 2.5 years now
[04:49] <TechLord_Work> ok i'm at a total loss i removed xine , rebooted and reinstalled xine still not found
[04:49] <Choubaka> Quinn_Storm: But it ain't
[04:49] <Choubaka> I think some part of the hardware is borken.
[04:50] <abelli> Choubaka: hw .. yummie .. what's your problem?
[04:50] <Quinn_Storm> Choubaka: well, check cooling...do a memtest86...any idea -what- causes the crashes? (disk i/o, graphics stuff, etc.?)
[04:51] <Choubaka> Quinn_Storm: graphics
[04:52] <Choubaka> imagemagick programs often segfault :)
[04:52] <Choubaka> but no others.
[04:52] <Choubaka> gimp too
[04:52] <Quinn_Storm> Choubaka: well then it could be buggy drivers or perhaps an insufficiently cooled nforce...though I'd guess drivers...try swapping vid-cards to see if it crashes w/ a different video board (like the one out of your server)
[04:52] <Quinn_Storm> Choubaka: err, nvidia not nforce -.-
[04:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> choubaka put a pedestal fan pointing at the card, if it stops crashing its heat
[04:53] <Choubaka> Quinn_Storm: I don't have another video card ;P
[04:53] <Quinn_Storm> Choubaka: well then...I guess you're out of luck...you can't swap the server card in? (or is that on-board?)
[04:54] <Choubaka> on-board
[04:54] <Quinn_Storm> Choubaka: that sucks
[04:54] <Choubaka> so, hmm
[04:54] <Choubaka> how do I use these sensors?
[04:54] <sorin> how do i tell grub to load the menu instead of the command line?
[04:54] <Quinn_Storm> Choubaka: well, what you need to do is swap the card if you can get ahold of one to see if it really is the video card, or something more bizarre
[04:54] <Quinn_Storm> Choubaka: oh, unfortunately there probably isn't a temp sensor on your video card...but look around for an lm-sensors howto
[04:55] <Quinn_Storm> Choubaka: the lm-sensors modules are built-in to the 2.6 series kernels so you shouldn't have any trouble setting them up
[04:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> sorin? pardon?
[04:55] <Choubaka> I set them up already.
[04:55] <Choubaka> what program do I run to see temps? :p
[04:55] <sorin> Kamping_Kaiser: ?
[04:56] <Quinn_Storm> Choubaka: ksensors
[04:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> sorin. i dont understand your problem
[04:56] <Quinn_Storm> Choubaka: or just sensors form a console
[04:56] <Choubaka> oh. :/
[04:56] <Choubaka> they're not showing temps :<
[04:56] <sorin> grub displays the grub prompt instead of the menu
[04:56] <Quinn_Storm> Choubaka: yeah you didn't get them all set up yet
[04:56] <TechLord_Work> xine binaries are not being installed anyone ever see that before?
[04:57] <Quinn_Storm> Choubaka: it took me a little work on my via KT7A-Raid board
[04:57] <Choubaka> I did modprobe all what sensors-detect told me
[04:57] <Quinn_Storm> Choubaka: there's a bug w/ my board about the order / which modules you have to install...what's your board?
[04:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> techlord_work. not on my ubuntu
[04:57] <Choubaka> it has a VIA KT133 chipset afaik
[04:57] <Quinn_Storm> Choubaka: yep same chipset, hang on while I fetch my info
[04:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> sorin, do you have a /boot/grub/menu.lst file?
[04:58] <sorin> yes. i can load it with the configfile command
[04:58] <Quinn_Storm> Choubaka: rmmod all that stuff / reboot & then just modprobe i2c-isa and via686a (but not the via pci thingy)
[04:58] <sorin> how do i make it load it by default
[04:59] <TechLord_Work> is there a xine-lib package for ubuntu kubuntu
[04:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> not sure sorin sory
[05:00] <Quinn_Storm> TechLord_Work: yeah, just not sure where it comes from, check in universe/multiverse
[05:00] <incubii> sweet im installing windows 2000 server sp4 on a qemu virtual machine running on PPC arch
[05:00] <incubii> :D
[05:00] <Quinn_Storm> incubii: yeah and you'll be done sometime tomorrow :-P
[05:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[05:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> cool
[05:00] <Choubaka> ok
[05:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> techlord. i have it, just not sure about where it either
[05:00] <incubii> :P
[05:00] <incubii> whether i am or not its still cool
[05:01] <Quinn_Storm> Choubaka: if it still doesn't work, google around for via and lm-sensors...I forget where I found the info...and you may need reboots, not sure, I set it up a while ago and did a "set it and forget it"
[05:01] <Choubaka> it worked.
[05:01] <Quinn_Storm> Choubaka: cool
[05:01] <Choubaka> I wonder if it's properly calibrated though
[05:01] <Choubaka> SYS Temp:  +47.2C
[05:01] <Choubaka> CPU Temp:  +36.6C
[05:02] <Quinn_Storm> Choubaka: it got the sys & cpu backwards it looks like
[05:02] <Choubaka> but there's this weirdness:
[05:02] <Choubaka> SBr Temp:  +25.2C  (high =    -0C, hyst =   -55C)   ALARM
[05:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> techlord_work. do you have extened sources, or just teh cd?
[05:02] <Quinn_Storm> Choubaka: that's the southbridge temp
[05:02] <TechLord_Work> thanks i'll have to work on this later then 
[05:02] <Quinn_Storm> Choubaka: I -think-
[05:02] <TechLord_Work> just the cd
[05:02] <Choubaka> yeah
[05:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> :( not a lot then
[05:02] <Quinn_Storm> Choubaka: mine has the same 3 sensors but didn't get cpu/sys backwards
[05:02] <Choubaka> also +2.5V:     +0.24 V  (min =  +2.36 V, max =  +2.61 V)   ALARM
[05:02] <Quinn_Storm> Choubaka: that's a mistake in the config, mine's like that too
[05:03] <Quinn_Storm> Choubaka: the via686a is apparently a goofy chip
[05:03] <Choubaka> so doesn't look like it's overheating.
[05:03] <Choubaka> the cpu at leasy.
[05:04] <Quinn_Storm> Choubaka: yeah, at least the system isn't, the video might be, but I doubt it, its probably bad drivers / slightly incompatible / something like that...like I said, try swapping video boards, or perhaps going to nvidia's website & getting drivers from there instead of the ones w/ your distro
[05:04] <Choubaka> Quinn_Storm: they're the same drivers.
[05:04] <Quinn_Storm> Choubaka: same version? are you certain?
[05:04] <Choubaka> yes
[05:04] <Choubaka> I'm using the open source nv drivers now though
[05:04] <Choubaka> they're more stable
[05:04] <Quinn_Storm> Choubaka: ok, well stick with those for now then, maybe nv will get it fixed
[05:05] <Choubaka> but no 3d :(
[05:05] <Choubaka> yeah
[05:05] <Quinn_Storm> Choubaka: but it sounds like its not your hardware at fault
[05:06] <Choubaka> hmm
[05:06] <Choubaka> hopefully
[05:06] <Quinn_Storm> Choubaka: yeah, at the worst its the graphics card
[05:06] <Choubaka> I can probably get another for ~20 euros :D
[05:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> :(
[05:07] <Quinn_Storm> Choubaka: yeah, once I get some cash I think I'll pick up an nvidia card for this box (I want my renderaccel / etc. damnit!) but I need it to be a dualhead one, I've gotten quite used to that with my matrox card...and of course I need that ram for that server
[05:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> all new ati and nvidia cards are dual head
[05:08] <Choubaka> Don't get ATI for a linux box though
[05:08] <Quinn_Storm> Kamping_Kaiser: ok, is the nvidia dual-head well supported? (with like merged-fb style support so I can have dri on both heads)?
[05:08] <Quinn_Storm> Choubaka: yeah I already know that from reading a bit about it
[05:09] <_buz> how about the ati chipsets?
[05:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> quinn_storm sorry dont know
[05:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> dont use it
[05:09] <_buz> i mean with nvidia vga cards
[05:09] <_buz> stupid nforce4 all got fans on the northbrige
[05:09] <_buz> i don't buy such crap
[05:10] <Choubaka> I don't know about ati chipsets
[05:10] <Choubaka> I guess they're fine.
[05:10] <_buz> preferably with one fan. or even fanless
[05:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> mmm.
[05:10] <Quinn_Storm> _buz: even my ancient via kt133 chipset KT7A-Raid has a fan on the northbridge...or is that the southbridge?...ah whatever, it has a tiny fan...silly old chipset
[05:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> there is one. its about 800AUS$
[05:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> north bridge
[05:12] <_buz> well theres a gigabyte one
[05:12] <_buz> but the nforce gets so hot you cant touch it
[05:12] <_buz> and tehre's that freaking zalman case
[05:12] <_buz> no i want to do it with "affordable"  components ;)
[05:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh. i think thats the one
[05:12] <_buz> not a challenge otherwise
[05:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[05:13] <_buz> http://www.scythe.co.jp/en/cooler/ncu2005.htm
[05:14] <_buz> agreed, not entirely standard 
[05:14] <_buz> but it works
[05:16] <incubii> hmm still waiting for drivers.cab to copy
[05:16] <incubii> :))
[05:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> heh
[05:17] <Quinn_Storm> I would never want to use a board that needed such a heatsink! ouch!
[05:18] <Quinn_Storm> is that for the processor at least? if thats for the northbridge I'm staying far far away from that chipset
[05:18] <Quinn_Storm> ok, ok, nevermind, I read further
[05:18] <Quinn_Storm> now its just a silly cpu accessory
[05:18] <Quinn_Storm> if I wanted fanless cooling for my cpu I'd go w/ water-cooling
[05:21] <Anlar> there's nothing wrong with fans. just don't buy crappy noisy ones.
[05:21] <incubii> global fop win 38!
[05:21] <incubii> no there was a noise maker you could be proud of
[05:22] <Anlar> now kids this is the way to go http://www.skenegroup.net/fi/artikkelit/thermalright_xp120.3 :)
[05:22] <Anlar> it's Silent.
[05:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> that thermaltake god dissed in a review i saw
[05:25] <Anlar> it was bs.
[05:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> *got
[05:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> it got about 2/10
[05:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> or similar
[05:26] <Anlar> there's nothing to diss about it. it's very efficient, extremely silent, reliable and easy to attach/detach.
[05:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> *shrug* thats what i saw. 
[05:27] <Quinn_Storm> its also ginormous
[05:27] <Anlar> perhaps the reviewer was just a retard.
[05:27] <Anlar> it's not heavy actually btw. it's very light.
[05:28] <Quinn_Storm> Anlar: I would imagine that, heavy would be bad b/c it would be extra metal the heat would have to propagate through, numerous light thin vanes make a better radiator than a few thick ones
[05:28] <Anlar> that's what the heat pipes are for.
[05:29] <Quinn_Storm> Anlar: yeah, the heat pipes act like an enclosed 'water'-cooling system that then is radiated by those enormous vanes
[05:29] <Quinn_Storm> they are 'pumped' by the heat itself
[05:31] <Anlar> 2.8G P4 with 100% usage for hours and that heatsink feels unpleasantly cold when you touch it, even close to the cpu. it doesn't even get warm.
[05:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> 0_o not bad
[05:31] <Anlar> cpu heat sensor shows things like 35C :)
[05:32] <Anlar> and it might be quite near to the reality too..
[05:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> :) nice
[05:32] <KaiL> Anlar: so the cooler is very loud?
[05:32] <Anlar> extremely silent. you can't hear it at all practically.
[05:32] <Anlar> <20dB
[05:32] <KaiL> hmm
[05:33] <KaiL> very very big heatsink?
[05:33] <Anlar> kail: look at the link, http://www.skenegroup.net/fi/artikkelit/thermalright_xp120.3
[05:34] <KaiL> uhm, ok
[05:35] <KaiL> even as THAT one on a Athlon 64 3000+ would even passive let the CPU <30
[05:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> night all
[05:39] <KaiL> hmm, the tested CPU isn't a WInchester 
[05:39] <IronRoses> back again
[05:40] <IronRoses> it's all working fine now, reinstalledm just did base install and then install kde, it downloaded the updated packages then instaled fine
[05:40] <IronRoses> Iv'ew had noproblems yet
[06:05] <bubi> how can i start kde without restoring previous session
[06:12] <sikor_sxe> is there a firefox 1.0.3 ubuntu package yet? or do miss a repository?
[06:13] <buz_> there isnt
[06:13] <KaiL> not yet :(
[06:14] <sikor_sxe> :O
[06:14] <blueyed> sikor_sxe, most (all?) security relevant fixes are in ubuntu's 1.02 firefox. heard that from the devels.
[06:15] <sikor_sxe> no
[06:15] <sikor_sxe> the most evil one (executing files) is there
[06:15] <KaiL> in 1.0.2-0ubuntu5?
[06:15] <sikor_sxe> i did a test
[06:16] <sikor_sxe> http://www.mikx.de/firelinking/
[06:18] <KaiL> yes, works :(
[06:21] <KaiL> hmm, debian has1.0.3 for i386 and ppc
[06:21] <KaiL> hmm, is there no debian/amd64?
[06:21] <buz_> there is
[06:21] <buz_> but generally it lags behind
[06:22] <sikor_sxe> yeah
[06:22] <KaiL> that does everything on debian
[06:22] <sikor_sxe> installing the debian one, right now
[06:23] <sikor_sxe> http://packages.debian.org/unstable/web/mozilla-firefox
[06:23] <gahan> why can't i bind windowskey alone to show up kmenu?
[06:23] <sikor_sxe> it has ia64
[06:23] <gahan> every bidn needs at least 2 buttons, why?
[06:23] <gahan> s/bidn/bind/
[06:26] <smouche> hello -- off topic, but could anyone recommend a good non-wysiwyg word-processor (not text editor) I could run in konsole, or a terminal session?
[06:26] <gdh> TeX ? :)
[06:27] <smouche> gdh -- I was afraid you'd say that -- ;-)
[06:27] <sikor_sxe> damn, the debian firefox packages won't work :/
[06:27] <gdh> smouche: It's a healthy fear to have =)
[06:27] <smouche> guess I should learn TeX -- but it's overkill for me - I don't need a whole desktop publishing thing, just somethng
[06:28] <smouche> very basic, but with some formatting capacity
[06:28] <smouche> I'll keep googling, thanks!
[06:28] <gdh> From the reports from friends I hear about it, TeX can be as light or as heavy as you want..
[06:28] <gdh> just has anunfortunate learning curve at the start
[06:28] <smouche> lol
[06:29] <smouche> that was gonna be my next comment, gdh
[06:29] <gdh> I'm glad I have no need to prepare documents :)
[06:29] <gdh> 'stuff.txt' is the extent I need.
[06:29] <smouche> basically, I'd like something that is to basic word processing what, say elinks is to web browsing
[06:32] <gdh> run wordperfect for DOS? :)
[06:32] <smouche> gdh -- that would work -- I may even have some old floppies around for that... exactly the kind of thing I'm looking for
[06:33] <gdh> hah cool :)
[06:33] <smouche> hmmm, good lead, thanks!
[06:33] <xavier_> lo all
[06:45] <mikl> hello vietnam
[06:49] <spiral> fa
[06:49] <spiral> sorry
[06:51] <smouche> so?
[06:51] <smouche> er, me?
[06:51] <smouche> doh!
[06:56] <buz_> is there something like prime95 or cpuburn for linux?
[06:58] <xavier_> buz_, yes, cpuburn
[06:58] <buz_> i must be blind
[06:58] <xavier_> I think it's in ubuntu (at least it's in debian)
[06:58] <buz_> ahh i mistyped the name
[07:00] <buz_> and now i need something to get the temps in my machine?
[07:02] <xavier_> it depends
[07:02] <xavier_> try acpi
[07:02] <xavier_> modprobe thermal
[07:02] <xavier_> or you'll have to use lm_sensors
[07:03] <xavier_> but it'll need to compile modules and other funny stuff :p
[07:04] <xavier_> buz_, is it a laptop or a desktop ?
[07:07] <buz_> shuttle xpc -> desktop
[07:07] <Anlar> lapdance, please
[07:07] <Anlar> err you said laptop, not lapdance.. nevermind
[07:07] <buz_> i'll try ksensors
[07:09] <xavier_> buz_, you'll need lm_sensors for it, but I don't know if ubuntu ships it compiled
[07:09] <xavier_> ask synaptic :p
[07:09] <buz_> it does
[07:09] <buz_> its in the reps
[07:10] <xavier_> good
[07:16] <buz_> yeah it works
[07:17] <buz_> i had to run sensors-detect and load a few modules (didnt want to reboot) but now it works
[07:17] <buz_> niiice
[07:18] <bubi> Choubaka: i need u :P
[07:19] <Choubaka> ok?
[07:19] <bubi> hi
[07:19] <bubi> u still have online that repo
[07:19] <bubi> ?
[07:19] <Choubaka> Yes.
[07:19] <bubi> ive had to reinstall
[07:19] <bubi> so i need link again :)
[07:21] <Choubaka> oh
[07:21] <Choubaka> deb http://choubaka.no-ip.com/~jarkko/ ./
[07:21] <bubi> cool thanks
[07:22] <bubi> i couldnt get rid of that kdetv
[07:22] <bubi> no matter what i did it started with next session again
[07:22] <bubi> so finally i reinstalled :(
[07:34] <_P_> hi all 
[07:34] <_P_> some  had  some problem  with  a  asus q-fan system  of  a  barebone  and  ubuntu  kubuntu?
[07:34] <_P_> *someone
[07:37] <KaiL> what Kind of Problems?
[07:38] <KaiL> normally q-fan is OS independant..
[07:38] <_P_> kail  yes
[07:38] <_P_> but  with  debian  it  works
[07:38] <_P_> with  kubuntu  not :(
[07:38] <KaiL> what means "doesn't work"?
[07:38] <buz_> did you check your cpu load?
[07:39] <_P_> the  terminator  stay  quite  loud for  15 minutes 
[07:39] <_P_> and  after  start  to  the  max  speed for  10  minutes 
[07:39] <_P_> yes  buz
[07:39] <KaiL> hmm
[07:39] <_P_> q-fan  normally  change  
[07:39] <buz_> http://www.sasserlone.de/222-musikkuenstler-der-extraklasse.html
[07:39] <buz_> very impressive
[07:39] <_P_> speed  every  minute 
[07:40] <KaiL> install lm-sensors and the run 'sensors-detect' to configure the hardware sensors
[07:40] <KaiL> then we can see, if the temperatures stay to high...
[07:40] <JaZy84> can someone help me with an apt-get upgrade problem
[07:40] <JaZy84> i'm getting this error
[07:40] <JaZy84> Preparing to replace kdelibs-data 4:3.4.0-0ubuntu3 (using .../kdelibs-data_4%3a3.4.0-0ubuntu3.1_all.deb) ...
[07:40] <JaZy84> Unpacking replacement kdelibs-data ...
[07:40] <JaZy84> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4%3a3.4.0-0ubuntu3.1_all.deb (--unpack):
[07:40] <JaZy84>  trying to overwrite `/usr/share/icons/default.kde', which is also in package knetworkconf
[07:40] <JaZy84> Errors were encountered while processing:
[07:40] <JaZy84>  /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4%3a3.4.0-0ubuntu3.1_all.deb
[07:40] <JaZy84> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[07:41] <KaiL> dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4%3a3.4.0-0ubuntu3.1_all.deb
[07:41] <KaiL> ...known bug ;)
[07:41] <JaZy84> awesome
[07:41] <JaZy84> thanks
[07:42] <KaiL> something I don't really understand, as the names file is a folder, which normally gets silently overwritten
[07:42] <JaZy84> odd
[07:43] <JaZy84> kde runs vnc slower then compared to gnome is there a reason for that?
[07:43] <KaiL> not really
[07:43] <JaZy84> hrm.
[07:44] <KaiL> maybe because of the system how vnc compresses the data - kde has more refreshes
[07:44] <buz_> i'd use nomachine.com stuff over vnc anyday
[07:44] <JaZy84> ah. nice.
[07:44] <buz_> muuuuuch faster
[07:44] <JaZy84> nomachine.com
[07:44] <buz_> and theres gpl implementation now
[07:44] <JaZy84> i'll check that out.
[07:44] <JaZy84> free?
[07:44] <buz_> theirs is commercial
[07:44] <buz_> but knoppix guis have a gpl edition of it
[07:44] <buz_> somewhere
[07:44] <buz_> so there ought to be debs somewhere
[07:46] <JaZy84> nice thanks Bubi
[07:46] <JaZy84> buz_
[07:47] <buz_> what
[07:50] <JaZy84> thanks..
[07:53] <Bubi> does kynaptic use the same repos as apt-get ???
[07:54] <KaiL> Bubi: yes
[07:54] <Bubi> from same file ??
[07:54] <KaiL> kynaptic is just a frontend for apt
[07:54] <Bubi> ahh cool
[07:54] <Bubi> tnx
[08:03] <xavier_> ++ all
[08:09] <Bubi> how can i change default font size in firefox now is 9 pixels and its to small
[08:09] <Bubi> i cant find it in prefferences
[08:12] <KaiL> edit _> prefserences
[08:12] <KaiL> general -> "fonts & colors"
[08:12] <KaiL> :)
[08:13] <Bubi> KaiL: it doesnt work
[08:13] <KaiL> it's the font for the display
[08:13] <KaiL> or do you mean the GUI-fontsize?
[08:14] <Bubi> yeh
[08:14] <KaiL> for that I recommend to install gtk2-engines-gtk-qt
[08:15] <KaiL> then you have an entry ""GTK styles and fonts" in the KDE Controlcenter
[08:16] <KaiL> ...from there you can set your gtk apps to look as the kde ones :)
[08:16] <Bubi> ahh ok
[08:20] <Bubi> KaiL:  is that one single package ??
[08:20] <KaiL> yes
[08:20] <Bubi> i cant find it in kynaptic
[08:21] <Bubi> lots of GTK-engines
[08:21] <Bubi> and Qt3
[08:21] <Bubi> but not that one u said
[08:21] <KaiL> so you don't have "universe" enabled in /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:21] <Bubi> ahh
[08:24] <Bubi> hmm still not there
[08:25] <Bubi> shows me only 2 packages new
[08:26] <KaiL> apt-get update...
[08:26] <Bubi> i did it in kynaptic
[08:27] <Bubi> should i do it in console 
[08:27] <KaiL> duno, or look again into sources.list, if you missed something ;)
[08:29] <Bubi> ehh stupid me
[08:30] <Bubi> i uncommented only security 
[08:33] <gdh> :)
[08:35] <PenguinBoy> hey guys
[08:36] <KaiL> ah, cool - sudo works now on my updated debian ;)
[08:36] <PenguinBoy> great!
[08:36] <PenguinBoy> is there a problem with sudo in kubuntu?
[08:36] <KaiL> nop
[08:36] <buz_> well yes
[08:36] <buz_> it's being used
[08:37] <KaiL> I've updated my system from debian to kubuntu
[08:37] <PenguinBoy> I have Ubuntu on my desktop and am getting ready to install kubuntu on my laptop
[08:37] <KaiL> sudo didn't just work, now it does ;)
[08:37] <buz_> thats weird
[08:37] <PenguinBoy> why
[08:38] <buz_> mhh i thought it was deeply igrained in kubuntu's ways of doing things
[08:38] <KaiL> the last difference is, that hotplug and acpid are more silent (and faster) on kubuntu than here
[08:38] <buz_> first thing i did was activating the root account ;)
[08:38] <KaiL> yesterday installed kubutu two times - two times acpi S3 works
[08:39] <KaiL> only here it doesn't :(
[08:39] <KaiL> bad luck or something different between debian and ubuntu in that way?
[08:40] <buz_> mhh i found i couldn't downgrade from breezy to hoary either
[08:40] <buz_> maybe fresh installs are easier, after all
[08:40] <KaiL> well, you can downgrade in some very very complicate way ;)
[08:41] <KaiL> but you don't want to do that - and why? anything broken in breezy, i didn't find?
[08:41] <PenguinBoy> is there known problems about getting wireless to wotk in Kubuntu?
[08:41] <gdh> aye, mad sed/awk magic to dpkg -l ... download all older packages, then dpkg --force-all -i wit xargs :)
[08:41] <KaiL> gdh: nop
[08:41] <KaiL> apt-get install package/hoary is enough
[08:42] <gdh> Really? interesting. :)
[08:42] <KaiL> only a "bit" difficult to find out, which ones got updated
[08:42] <gdh> I think I just like brute force methods
[08:42] <KaiL> that's the way I used to hunt out all sarge here
[08:43] <KaiL> PenguinBoy: a rather old ndiswrapper, if you mean that :)
[08:43] <KaiL> too old for my Linksys card
[08:44] <PenguinBoy> I have an IBM Thinkpad R40....with a wireless....
[08:44] <PenguinBoy> I have not had success with Linux and wireless in the past
[08:45] <gdh> wireless support is usuall terribly clumsy for dists to support due to firmware issues :(
[08:46] <PenguinBoy> do you think I would stand a better chance with Ubuntu or Kubuntu recognizing and workign with my wireless?????
[08:46] <gdh> If one works, so will the other
[08:46] <PenguinBoy> great
[08:47] <gdh> Kubuntu *IS* Ubuntu, just with KDE packages on the install CD instead of GNOME ones.
[08:47] <PenguinBoy> thnaks
[08:47] <gdh> If you want to send me your notebook I can get it working for you :)
[08:47] <PenguinBoy> lol
[08:47] <PenguinBoy> lol
[08:47] <PenguinBoy> lol
[08:48] <gdh> ;)
[08:48] <PenguinBoy> okay I am rebooting to begin the install
[08:49] <gdh> Cool - you can ignore the question about the giant lemur if you get asked.
[08:49] <PenguinBoy> lol
[08:49] <PenguinBoy> i like the Kubuntu logo
[09:01] <fejaor> I can't adjust the resolution of my screen....kubuntu is not allowing me to do so, and the only option I have is 640x480 and is kind of annoying that the windows are so big
[09:02] <fejaor> anyone who can help me with this?
[09:02] <Bubi> and i have another problem with my LS120 floppy drive
[09:03] <Bubi> it sems i cant get to work
[09:03] <Anlar> fejaor: most likely your monitor-section at your xorg.conf needs the modelines
[09:03] <fejaor> how do  I do that?
[09:04] <PenguinBoy> Trouble on install......just installed from CD and is rebooting.....got this message.....GRUB Loading stage 1.5......GRUB loading, please wait.....Error 18
[09:05] <PenguinBoy> help please
[09:05] <fejaor> cause everytime I tried to open a window is just to big and can't see or reach the Accept, Cancel buttons
[09:06] <gdh> PenguinBoy: did you try to install on a partition more than 8GB  from the start of the hard disk?
[09:07] <PenguinBoy> I have a 235 GB HDD.....Windows XP in 25 GB and an emplty 10 GB for Linux
[09:07] <PenguinBoy> 35
[09:08] <gdh> hmm.. http://www.mepis.org/node/3257
[09:08] <fejaor> Anlar??
[09:09] <fejaor> I can't adjust the resolution of my screen....kubuntu is not allowing me to do so, and the only option I have is 640x480 and is kind of annoying that the windows are so big
[09:09] <gdh> PenguinBoy: in fact just google for 'grub error 18'
[09:09] <fejaor> anyone who can help me with this?
[09:09] <fejaor> I can't adjust the resolution of my screen....kubuntu is not allowing me to do so, and the only option I have is 640x480 and is kind of annoying that the windows are so big
[09:10] <Anlar> you were already told how to fix it so stop repeating yourself.
[09:12] <gdh> fejaor: try just putting the resolution you want into the relevant part of /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:12] <zabu> kubuntu won' listen to me when I say I don't want a warning every time I send data unencrypted
[09:12] <zabu> well konqueror
[09:12] <gdh> in the 'Screen" Section in the 'Depth 24' Display subsection
[09:15] <Anlar> gdh: unfortunately his resolution is just fine. he just spammed me with his whole xorg.conf
[09:15] <Anlar> he is missing the vertrefresh/scan settings from monitor subsection
[09:16] <gdh> Anlar: Must be a really shitty old monitor for DDC probe to have failed :)
[09:17] <Anlar> gdh: it fails for many really High end new ones as well.
[09:17] <fejaor> Where can I find a kubuntu starter guide??
[09:17] <gdh> Heh, I generally use 'average' hardware so have never noticed a problem :)
[09:17] <Anlar> you've just been lucky.
[09:17] <gdh> fejaor: What type of graphics card do you have?
[09:18] <Anlar> I also gave him couple quite generic readings so if he can't get it working, ... pfft
[09:18] <fejaor> I have a GLAD845 Intel motherboard
[09:18] <gdh> I know there are problems with the 'savage' driver and DDC
[09:18] <blueyed> fejaor, www.ubuntuguide.org
[09:18] <gdh> but yeh sounds like getting messy with modelines as you originalyl suggested :)
[09:19] <Bubi> can anyone help me with my LS-120 drive
[09:20] <Anlar> bubi: I think there is a howto somewhere.
[09:20] <Bubi> well it worked fine under FC3
[09:20] <regeya> I think she'd get along just fine with kubuntu, but I'm feeling a bit apprehensive about that...hm.
[09:20] <sproingie> converting someone _to_ xp?  whats she using, win95?
[09:20] <fejaor> but that's ubunt and I have tried that guide in kubuntu but is not working
[09:21] <regeya> 98SE
[09:21] <regeya> sproingie, it's not the newest pc
[09:21] <Bubi> here in kubuntu ls-120 isnt recognised
[09:21] <sproingie> i guess xp could sort of be called an improvement
[09:21] <sproingie> may as well make the jump tho
[09:21] <regeya> neither of us use latest-greatest...she's a music teacher, I work at a newspaper, you can probably imagine the economic realities of this marriage
[09:21] <Anlar> bubi: it's an ordinary floppy drive to the kernel. so just insert the kernel module and it is at /dev/fd0
[09:22] <Bubi> Anlar: to u is as simple as that :)
[09:22] <Bubi> to me its another story
[09:22] <sproingie> regeya: i can imagine.  well, if its for web and email, anything with ff will do nicely
[09:23] <sproingie> er firefox that is.  should learn to not abbrev. :)
[09:23] <regeya> true
[09:23] <Anlar> bubi: well,
[09:24] <regeya> she's a firefox user now; shouldn't be a big leap
[09:24] <sproingie> yah.  tho ff is mighty pokey on older machines running linux 
[09:24] <Anlar> bubi: put into your /etc/fstab the following line: /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy vfat defaults,user 0 0
[09:24] <Anlar> bubi: and mkdir /mnt/floppy ,naturally.
[09:24] <Bubi> ok
[09:25] <Anlar> bubi: then your konqueror -> Go -> Storage media should have the drive. perhaps.
[09:25] <Anlar> I don't know for sure, haven't had a floppy drive for the last 6 years.
[09:29] <regeya> heh Anlar; I finally talked people out of using floppy disks for important data at the office.  I show no sympathy when someone takes a photo, slaps it on a floppy disk, sticks it on their car dash or something, then panic because the disk is corrupt
[09:29] <regeya> though they want to sell banner ads now and send reps out with proofs on floppy; lame
[09:30] <sproingie> go hand out usb thumb drives
[09:30] <sproingie> 'course that'd involve the office paying for 'em
[09:33] <Bubi> Anlar: thanks that worked
[09:36] <Anlar> bubu: lol
[09:37] <Bubi> :D now i have fully workable Kubuntu
[09:38] <Bubi> it took me 3 days and 5 or 6 reinstalls but its ok now
[09:40] <KaiL> now you know exactly how the install works? ;)
[09:40] <Bubi> hehe
[09:40] <Bubi> well i knewed before from other distros
[09:40] <Bubi> only gentoo i didnt managed to install
[09:40] <Bubi> somehow it didnt recognised my SATA disks
[09:40] <KaiL> "only" 2 successfull + 3 with broken IDE (so fail very early) yesterday....
[09:41] <KaiL> (on 2 PCs that is)
[09:41] <Anlar> bubi: most likely it did but you didn't just know what to do.
[09:41] <Bubi> hehe it hung up at boot after compile
[09:42] <Bubi> so i tried two more times
[09:42] <Anlar> yes, you failed.
[09:42] <Bubi> i know
[09:42] <Bubi> i just didnt know where
[09:42] <Bubi> then i installed FC3
[09:43] <Anlar> Fc3 is actually a quite good one. Shame that it uses gnome
[09:43] <Bubi> yeh
[09:43] <Bubi> that is the reason i went on kubuntu now
[09:44] <Bubi> but after 6 months im still beginner at linux
[09:44] <hal9k1x> hi
[09:45] <theD3viL> Anlar .. but fedora works slowly than kubuntu ;)
[09:46] <theD3viL> on my box shure..... ;)=)
[09:46] <theD3viL> and apt rox ;)
[09:53] <hussam> I wanna add some debian repositories? are those it ?
[09:53] <hussam> deb	http://http.us.debian.org/debian unstable main contrib non-free
[09:53] <hussam> deb-src	http://http.us.debian.org/debian unstable main contrib non-free
[09:54] <gdh> .. on your own head be it...
[09:54] <_guMuTpoB> i know my issue thats not have much to do with kubuntu itself, but after I installed it, i have no options to boot into my other OS , how can I add it ?
[10:03] <Anlar> what is your other os and on what hard disk it is? (/dev/hd* or something)
[10:08] <_jeff> L
[10:08] <_jeff> Help
[10:08] <Anlar> :)
[10:08] <_jeff> Newbie on the floor
[10:09] <_jeff> Just install Kubuntu and can't get out ot 640X480 mode :(
[10:10] <Anlar> jeff: ok, I can walk you through with private messages.
[10:14] <hal9k1x> hello, any ideas to get more than 60Hz on my moni?
[10:14] <hal9k1x> i don't know where to configure it
[10:14] <hal9k1x> 2. what ist the name for the menu-config-program?
[10:15] <hal9k1x> i cannot find it in the menu?
[10:15] <Anlar> right click and edit the menu?
[10:15] <hal9k1x> Aaarglglgl! :-))
[10:16] <hal9k1x> My first time with kde-3.4.0
[10:25] <whiskers> well this kubuntu seems quite nice....kvirc shows 2591 channels on just this server
[10:25] <theD3viL> hal9k1x, is it cool, ha? ;)
[10:26] <whiskers> i did not even have to change gdm to kdm...the gdm gave a kde option once i got the kde stuff installed
[10:27] <whiskers> so now i can log into a gnome session or a kde session
[10:28] <whiskers> but the kde menus are still overwhelming and need some type of single column scroll feature
[10:30] <sorin> from where do you get the wmvdmod.dll
[10:30] <sorin> windows media codecs for kaffeine
[10:31] <Anlar> sorin: read the wiki about restricted file formats for instructions
[10:31] <theD3viL> sorin, apt-get install w32codecs
[10:32] <sorin> the package does not exist
[10:32] <theD3viL> apt-cache search divx
[10:33] <theD3viL> do you have extra repozitez?
[10:34] <Anlar> as I said, read the wiki.
[10:34] <whiskers> ok..it looks like the sample invoice template is printing with kspread
[10:34] <whiskers> yes it printed very nice
[10:35] <whiskers> lets see how well the browser prints
[10:39] <whiskers> yes ok...konq...printed ubuntulinux.org in perfect color...very nice
[10:39] <gdh> well if the preview is OK, the rest is down to cups, etc. :)
[10:39] <whiskers> the only problem is kexi is still crashing...and rekall will not compile due to where ubuntu chose to place qt3
[10:39] <whiskers> qt3-mt
[10:40] <whiskers> so...without kexi,rekall on kde and without glom on gnome.....the database stuff is still lacking
[10:42] <Anlar> you just don't know how to.
[10:42] <whiskers> Anlar: well it beats the hell out of me...but none of that stuff seems to work at all
[10:43] <whiskers> Anlar: maybe later it will
[10:43] <Anlar> yes, after you have learnt more skills
[10:44] <sproingie> whiskers: you might also try konversation, or if you like a gaim-ish interface, kontact
[10:45] <Anlar> sKype is there as well :)
[10:46] <sproingie> really wish i hadn't cheaped out with the ATI card
[10:46] <sproingie> i thought linux 3d support might be just "not as good".  never thought it'd be nonexistent
[10:46] <Anlar> what card?
[10:47] <whiskers> Anlar: well for one thing...that scons approach just can't find the qtlibs to compile....they seem to have been put in /usr/share/qt3/lib
[10:47] <sproingie> radeon 9800 pro ez.  nice card on windows, only cost me $120
[10:47] <whiskers> Anlar: but scons just can't find them
[10:47] <Anlar> whiskers: yes, tell then it to ./configure, dummy
[10:47] <whiskers> Anlar: so i have not been able to compile recall
[10:47] <Anlar> sproingie: that's a Sweet card with Linux as well, I have had that
[10:47] <sproingie> Anlar: no, it's a *crummy* card on Linux
[10:47] <whiskers> Anlar: you can't use ./configure becuase the cvs tree of rekall does not give out a Makfile
[10:47] <buz_> sweet? ati linux drivers suck donkey ass
[10:48] <Anlar> whiskers: actually you can generate the makefile yourself. :)
[10:48] <Anlar> sproingie: I have had that 9800 Pro (atlantis) with Linux and DAMN it was faster than on Windows and really really sweet.
[10:48] <sproingie> Anlar: there is basically no 3d support.  at all.  the gl drivers merely crash instantly
[10:48] <whiskers> Anlar: ok...i would be interested in trying that...i tried..make -f Makefile.cvs qt3....but nothing happened
[10:48] <Anlar> didn't for me :] 
[10:48] <buz_> and still no composite support
[10:48] <buz_> my next card will be nvidia thats for sure
[10:48] <sproingie> composite is still a gimmick at this stage
[10:49] <whiskers> Anlar: and kexi did compile but crashes everywhere
[10:49] <sproingie> its slow even if its well supported
[10:49] <whiskers> Anlar: so i just don't see a database solution yet
[10:49] <Anlar> composity is barely alpha stage stuff at this point, don't waste your time
[10:49] <sproingie> i pretty much reboot to windows to use blender
[10:49] <Anlar> whiskers: well, you just don't know your compiler tools.. :)
[10:49] <sproingie> and forget about games
[10:49] <Anlar> sproingie: I have used _a lot_ Blender on Linux and it has been just AWESOME
[10:50] <Anlar> and yes, specifically with 9800 pro. :)
[10:50] <sproingie> Anlar: it's quite awesome on windows too.  especially with working hw-accellerated gl
[10:50] <Anlar> and opengl did work awesome.
[10:50] <sproingie> maybe it's a amd64 thing.  maybe they don't test to see that they actually work
[10:50] <Anlar> I played some games on Linux and they were really faster than on Windows.. the Windows games. :)
[10:50] <whiskers> Anlar: well i tried putting in the latest m4, autoconf, automake, and running aclocal...but nothing helps with rekall...i just don't know how to create a Makefile...and they don't supply one
[10:51] <Anlar> whiskers: :)
[10:51] <sproingie> Anlar: what'd you have to do to make 3d work?
[10:51] <sproingie> hell, even opengl screensavers manage to not just crash, they take X with it
[10:52] <Anlar> I just used the installer with their instructions. The trick with opengl was to make the library point to a correct one. The installer isn't a good one with that.
[10:53] <theD3viL> Anlar witch games did you play ?
[10:53] <Anlar> My favorite was Natural Selection, naturally. :) and I did lots of AAO. they were the most hardware intensive games I played.
[10:54] <theD3viL> hm
[10:54] <sproingie> not sure i want to install all six cd's worth on the linux side too tho
[10:54] <theD3viL> i have UT .. but when i wanna install it it said to me an erorr ... "-lp" 
[10:56] <whiskers> Anlar: maybe if i could get the php module working with apace2...i might could try DBMaster
[10:56] <whiskers> Anlar: but the php module is not working with apache2 on ubunut
[10:56] <Anlar> lol
[10:57] <Anlar> yes it is.
[10:57] <whiskers> Anlar: on ubuntu
[10:57] <whiskers> Anlar: no it is not
[10:57] <whiskers> Anlar: unless there is a patch
[10:57] <Anlar> yes it is. 
[10:57] <whiskers> Anlar: no it says in the logs there is some kind of permissions problem
[10:57] <Anlar> nah. you just suck again. :)
[10:57] <whiskers> Anlar: and i just can't figure that out for anything
[10:58] <Anlar> what is the error you get?
[10:58] <whiskers> Anlar: because it has the same permissions as the ssl module
[10:58] <whiskers> Anlar: well in the phplog...it says ...well let me go read again
[11:00] <whiskers> Anlar: now i can't get into /var/log/php4-apd and the hidden directory www-data
[11:03] <whiskers> Anlar: konsole will not let me cd into that directory
[11:03] <Anlar> good. you don't deserve it. so.. kexi would be a nice program eh? I will compile it now just for the fun. ;)
[11:04] <whiskers> Anlar: yes kexi does compile but it crashes when you try to create a database on postgres just like glom
[11:04] <Anlar> ooh, I will install postgres too. 
[11:04] <Anlar> let's see.. :)
[11:04] <whiskers> Anlar: i don't know what the hell the problem is...that linux just has no database solution yet
[11:04] <Anlar> no. the problem just is that you suck.
[11:05] <whiskers> Anlar: well maybe so...but i try
[11:06] <Anlar> let's see.. now umm the kexi.
[11:07] <sproingie> doesn't openoffice have an access-ish thing?
[11:07] <Anlar> yes and it really rocks.
[11:07] <Anlar> but I will install Kexi now :)
[11:08] <hussam> I know I can manually do export blahblah=/location/to/dir  manually. How can I make this env variable systam wide avialable
[11:08] <gdh> Anlar: Perhaps you could do something useful like create a kexi package for Ubuntu instead of just inflating your ego in this channel?
[11:09] <Anlar> I can create packages yes, adn will.. I am at this moment too tired to do quality packages though. Perhaps at the summer I will do many.
[11:09] <gdh> Do a shit one and pretend you're Red Hat :)
[11:10] <sproingie> do one that deletes /usr and pretend you're Gentoo
[11:11] <Anlar> I've been using gentoo for over a year and not packet ever was destructive on my system. and Iwas running ~ arch
[11:11] <whiskers> Anlar: and on top of this...i can't even get the precompiled database stuff working on win98 either
[11:12] <whiskers> Anlar: i tried the xiopen web server with the windows php module and DBMaster template....and postgresql for windows and that shit doesn't work either
[11:12] <whiskers> Anlar: i just don't know what the hell the problem is that there is no free database solution
[11:13] <gdh> whiskers: All the cool kids are too busy wasting time implementing useless shit like transparent window managers, 3D desktops and similar shit.
[11:13] <Anlar> whiskers: there is.
[11:14] <whiskers> Anlar: well rekall doesn't give out a Makefile...scons doesn't work worth a shit....php is broken on windows and linux for dbmaster....and kexi and glom won't create a new database on postgresql
[11:15] <whiskers> Anlar: so you know...maybe later
[11:15] <Anlar> whiskers: the fact that your system is broken and you are a skilless whining little shit doesn't mean that they do not exist.
[11:15] <gdh> :)
[11:16] <gdh> Anlar: Out of interest, what are you drinking tonight? 
[11:16] <Anlar> nothing. 
[11:16] <gdh> Wow cool :)
[11:16] <Anlar> I'm used to compiling kde manually from cvs and stuff.. I have compiled Kexi numerous times already, including the depedencies. While on Gentoo and I wanted the _really_ bleeding edge. there was no problems whatsoever around.
[11:17] <Anlar> not ego boosting but (k)ubuntu is doing their best and no one really forces you to select it if you can't handle it.
[11:17] <gdh> True, a binary distro will always be a little behind.
[11:17] <gdh> esp. if that distro is now 'frozen'
[11:18] <Anlar> especially one with ties to Debian that has made the last stable release at 2000 or 2001.
[11:18] <gdh> July 2002 :)
[11:18] <gdh> but yes, $longtime ago
[11:18] <whiskers> Anlar: well whatever....i just tried to install the shit ubuntu made....so don't knock me about the system....i had nothing to do with it
[11:18] <Anlar> it's that fresh? whoa!
[11:18] <whiskers> Anlar: all i am telling you is that nothing works
[11:19] <Anlar> whiskers: actually if you did add more repositories there would be ready binary packages for the software as well.
[11:19] <Anlar> and they do work at least here.
[11:19] <whiskers> Anlar: and neither does it work on windows
[11:19] <Anlar> so they can't be globally broken and suck.
[11:19] <Anlar> from that we can draw some conclusions..
[11:19] <whiskers> Anlar: well you draw what you want...but just try scons for yourself
[11:21] <Anlar> actually I think I am going to install that Openoffice 2.0 beta. it has nice fiel format support and all the tools I need. Including the nice database application. better that than trying to compile Kexi. I am trying to compile Gentoo actually atm
[11:22] <Anlar> it's fast to install from the rpms.. a few seconds at most.
[11:26] <whiskers> Anlar: well i have to say that i did at least have php working on gentoo....and perhaps could have used DBMASTER.php
[11:26] <whiskers> Anlar: but well i am trying to work with ubuntu 
[11:26] <sproingie> mmmm scons
[11:26] <gdh> and butter and tea :)
[11:27] <sproingie> i wish more things used scons
[11:27] <sproingie> i was amazed when i used it.  same file, with like a couple lines having to do with compiler flags, compiled program and static and shared libs on linux and win32
[11:28] <sproingie> none of this godawful autotools and libtool nonsense
[11:28] <sproingie> which dont even work on windows anyway
[11:29] <buz_> oo 1.9.76 from debian is pretty buggy
[11:29] <buz_> the win version is much more stable
[11:29] <buz_> now if anyone got more current debs...
[11:29] <buz_> shout!
[11:29] <buz_> no wait that was even in universe i think
[11:30] <elric> hi I have a USB network card with the atmel chipset that kubuntu didnt detect, can anyone please help me fix this?
[11:31] <gdh> elric: wireless LAN or wired?
[11:31] <whiskers> Anlar: now what i really cannot understand is that psql works on postgresql and pgadmin3 works...but glom and kexi just don't yet.
[11:31] <whiskers> Anlar: and without php working on apache....we can't test DBMaster.php
[11:31] <elric> gdh: wireless
[11:31] <whiskers> Anlar: and without a makefile...we can't compile rekall
[11:32] <Anlar> whiskers: you can't, that is.
[11:32] <elric> i have used it with linux previously, SuSe picked it up after i downloaded the firmware from their packages, kubuntu doesnt seem to have it in the packages
[11:32] <gdh> elric: I probably have the same one. tried installing linux-restricted-modules package?
[11:33] <elric> gdh apit-get install linux-restricted-modules package at the command line?
[11:33] <gdh> elric: append whatver arch you're using -686, -k7 etc.
[11:34] <gdh> so that it matches your running kernel (check with uname -r)
[11:34] <elric> ok gdh thanks, i shall give it a whirl
[11:37] <elric> ok another issue, how would I add a repository to apt-get? all it does now is check the repository from the CDROM
[11:39] <elric> ok got it, i need to edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:39] <gdh> edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:39] <gdh> heh
[11:39] <elric> but what repository do i put in there?
[11:39] <theD3viL> anyone knows where in xchat set up time... ?
[11:39] <theD3viL> anyone knows where in xchat set up time... ? becouse i dont have dispay it.
[11:40] <gdh> Uh it's there, you're not looking hard enough
[11:40] <gdh> 'timestamp logs' or similar
[11:40] <theD3viL> aha .. tnx 
[11:40] <theD3viL> hm
[11:41] <elric> i am impressed with kubuntu, very fast on this mediocre box.
[11:42] <elric> ok gdh, apt-get said i have the restricted modules installed already
[11:42] <gdh> I can't really understand how one distro can be'slow' and another 'fast' ...
[11:43] <gdh> elric: Ah well  - was only a guess - I don't use the card on my Kubuntu machine :)
[11:43] <elric> ah ok
[11:44] <theD3viL> but it is normal kubuntu need 480 RAM?
[11:44] <elric> theD3viL: i am running it on 192 mb of ram
[11:44] <elric> and its fine.
[11:44] <whiskers> Anlar: and don't blame this shit on me...i did not have anything to do with it...this was ubuntus idea and they did the work
[11:44] <whiskers> Anlar: but uh....i am just saying that the database stuff doesn't work yet
[11:44] <theD3viL> elric, i have 512 mb ram but it seems to need it all!
[11:44] <Anlar> whiskers: they did the work on the core set. the rest was added as-is, for the adventorous users. you added those repositories.
[11:45] <gdh> theD3viL: Linux will use as much RAM as there is available for caching / disk buffers, etc.
[11:45] <theD3viL> gdh, what about swap? 
[11:46] <gdh> there should be little swap in use if you have 512MB of RAM etc.
[11:46] <gdh> it of course depends on what apps you're running 
[11:46] <theD3viL> 3mb swap is in use, but what swap is it?
[11:47] <gdh> that's normal, nothing to worry about
[11:47] <theD3viL> is swap some kind of ram?
[11:47] <gdh> it'll be stuff that isn't used very often, you can be sure of that :)
[11:48] <elric> it is almost as fast as my FreeBSD installation with kde 3.4 but I think i will keep kubuntu going if I can get this wireless card working
[11:48] <theD3viL> gdh can u send me screenshot of your desktop to see how other people have desktop? 
[11:49] <gdh> theD3viL: Uh? It's plain green with a Trash icon. not worth taking a snap of
[11:49] <theD3viL> =))
[11:49] <theD3viL> superkaramba or stuff ?
[11:49] <gdh> I have no idea what that means.
[11:50] <theD3viL> wait i will send you snap of my desktop, you will se what superkaramba is.
[11:50] <hondje> How long until that kdelibs thing is going stop borking apt?
[11:51] <theD3viL> gdh, recive the file....
[11:53] <gdh> gosh, DCC. how quaint
[11:53] <gdh> haven't done this in years.
[11:53] <gdh> try again, I don't sit at the screen permanently
[11:55] <theD3viL> how did you send file other ?
[11:56] <gdh> ah yes as I expected, utterly needless =)
[11:56] <theD3viL> ?
[11:57] <gdh> eye candy, fluff, nonsense, pointless :)
[11:57] <gdh> Do I /need/ to know what kernel version I'm using or how much RAM is in my own PC all the time? Of course not.
[11:58] <theD3viL> hm
[11:58] <theD3viL> what about... i dont know ... 
[11:59] <gdh> :)
[11:59] <gdh> If I was a real minimalist I wouldn't be using KDE, but some stuff is just blatantly excessive.
[11:59] <theD3viL> hm, what about you? what programs do you runing now?
[12:00] <theD3viL> you said you have only trash on your desktop, why ? you must always go to start, programs, blablabla
[12:00] <theD3viL> :)
[12:00] <whiskers> Anlar: now when i look at http://127.0.0.1...the apache web page comes up but the phpsystem test fails
[12:01] <Anlar> that's nice. :)