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[12:16] <jcole> what do i add to sources.list to get tomcat
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[12:34] <Diablo-D3> hrm
[12:34] <Diablo-D3> hey guys
[12:35] <Diablo-D3> stupid question
[12:35] <Diablo-D3> does ubuntu-desktop include any method of automount by default?
[12:35] <|QuaD-> Diablo-D3: #ubuntu
=== Diablo-D3 is asking from a developers standpoint.
[12:37] <tortoise> Diablo-D3: using project utopia
[12:37] <calc> libpam-mount seems to be the way for network fs
=== calc is going to be using that at work
[12:37] <Diablo-D3> I'm thinking along the lines of usb mass storage automounting btw
[12:38] <Diablo-D3> I've been talking to random users, and it doesnt seem that ubuntu has anything like this at all
[12:38] <Diablo-D3> atleast, not by default
[12:39] <mdz-syd> only since about August of last year
[12:39] <mdz-syd> i.e., before the first release
[12:39] <calc> Diablo-D3: it usually works automatically
[12:40] <calc> it does seem to have some buginess about whether it pops up the nautilus window though
[12:40] <Diablo-D3> so, with a freshly installed and upgraded ubuntu desktop, I should be able to plug in a usb mass storage device and it should be automatically mounted /w sync, and a gnome file manager window should pop up?
[12:40] <calc> Diablo-D3: yes, barring the bugs i've seen
[12:40] <Diablo-D3> w00t.
[12:41] <calc> i haven't fresh installed my box in about 4mo so it may have some upgrade related issues
[12:42] <Diablo-D3> another stupid question...
[12:42] <Diablo-D3> is matthew thomas's recent blog entry being taken seriously?
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[12:46] <calc> cool i didn't know you could do a -bb+b type line
[12:48] <daniels> you can put any mode changes together
[12:48] <daniels> i could've done -o as well
[12:50] <calc> ah
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[01:15] <dholbach> hey
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[01:16] <jammcq_oz> mdz-syd: hey, you awake ?
[01:18] <jammcq_oz> ogra: are you here?  whiprish and I are going for breakfast, if anyone wants to come
[01:19] <jammcq_oz> ok, see ya'll later
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[01:38] <travail101> let me ask again... it's been a few hours....
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[01:39] <travail101> is linux-wlan-ng on the latest LiveCD? did it get done in time? or was it left out...? am I going to have to wait another 6 months to see it on there?
[01:39] <dholbac1> re
[01:45] <travail101> re?
[01:47] <dholbac1> travail101: flew out some minutes before
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[02:59] <jbailey> You talkin' to me? =)
[02:59] <ogra> hi jbailey, nice ip :)
[02:59] <tfheen> jbailey: moo!
[02:59] <jbailey> Now that I'm standing on the bottom of the world, do I have to worry about the blood rushing to my head?
[03:00] <jbailey> Heya Tollef!
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[03:00] <daniels> jbailey: yo
[03:00] <jbailey> Mr. Daniel!
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[03:00] <thom> jbailey: good morning sir
[03:01] <dholbach> hey jbailey 
[03:01] <jbailey> So far on this trip I've discovered that the Honalulu airport is really boring, and that oranges are really expensive in Sydney.
[03:01] <jbailey> Heya Thom, Mr. Holbach.
[03:01] <Evaso> hi guys also hoary is affected by this bugs: http://bugs.debian.org/305846 ?
[03:04] <Evaso> anybody is in gnome team?
[03:05] <jbailey> Evaso: We're running a different version of Gnome than Debian is, so there's no way of even guessing whether the same bugs will occur.
[03:06] <Evaso> jbailey: i tink that this affect also 2.10
[03:07] <jbailey> If you are able to reproduce the problem, your best bet is to check in bugzilla, and if you don't find it then file the bug.
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[03:08] <Evaso> jbailey: thanks but i want only to try to backport a solution if it was solved in ubuntu without to find my way and rebuild the whell
[03:11] <jbailey> Ooo!!  The Sipsons.
[03:12] <ogra> yeah
[03:13] <Evaso> Ok i duplicate the bug, one for Debian and one for Ubuntu fork also if the problem is the same
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[03:21] <zul> hey
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[03:26] <ogra> hey mdz-syd 
[03:26] <ogra> :)
[03:27] <mdz-syd> ogra: hello
[03:28] <ogra> mdz-syd, already in the hotel ? or are you guys crowding jdubs home ?
[03:28] <ogra> oh, btw, how do i get a priority assigned to my BO ?
[03:28] <ogra> F
[03:32] <Burgundavia> that was an interesting slip
[03:40] <fabbione> hey guys
[03:41] <zul> hey fabbione how is it going?
[03:41] <jbailey> Fabio!
[03:41] <fabbione> i just woke up.. gotta leave for the airport pretty soon
[03:42] <zul> heh have a fun flight
[03:43] <zul> dont go psycho
[03:43] <ogra> fabbione, have a nice smoke in singapore ;)
[03:43] <tfheen> fabbione: have a nice trip
[03:43] <ogra> fabbione, the smoking place is very nice
[03:45] <fabbione> ehhe ok :)
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[03:48] <jbailey> Does anyone else smell burning toast?
[03:49] <zul> uh..not really
[03:50] <fabbione> cya sunday evening
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[03:50] <ogra> fabbione, looking forward to it :)
[03:50] <ogra> dont fall off the sky
[03:50] <ogra> jbailey, yup
[03:50] <jbailey> ogra: Oh good.
[03:51] <jbailey> ogra: It's the second time today I've smelled it, the first was in the airport, turned out to be a deli.
[03:51] <jbailey> But I'd be sad if I had a stroke. =)
[03:51] <ogra> i guess its really coming out o the kitchen....
[03:51] <jbailey> There's a kitchen here?
[03:52] <jbailey> Cool.
[03:52] <ogra> yeah, on the way to the sunny courtyard
[03:52] <jbailey> Sounds like I should explore more.
[03:52] <jbailey> Maybe after the Simpsons are done. =)
[03:53] <ogra> looks like they will run all day on this station
[03:54] <jbailey> Is that so wrong?
[03:55] <ogra> no, but it will take its time until they're done :)
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[04:56] <tfheen> blogs are fun ; I've gotten two responses to my e-d-s crack already
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[04:57] <jbailey> Heya Scott.
[04:59] <Keybuk> heyhey
[05:00] <Keybuk> oh dear, I appear to have agreed to do a lightning talk
[05:01] <jbailey> Where do you see that?
[05:02] <tfheen> Keybuk: on what?
[05:03] <Keybuk> s3kr1t
[05:11] <zul> hey Keybuk 
[05:25] <travail101> anyone in here that knows about what's on the LiveCD?
[05:26] <travail101> like for instance...
[05:26] <travail101> did the Linux-wlan-ng driver make it on the latest?
[05:26] <travail101> or will I need to wait till then next release to see them?
[05:27] <travail101> or... is there just a site you can poinnt me t with a list of all packages on the 5.04 Hoary LiveCD
[05:27] <travail101> ?
[05:29] <zul> if you do dpkg -l on a terminal in the live cd it should give you a pretty good list of whats installed
[05:32] <zul> night
[05:40] <travail101> but.,..
[05:40] <travail101> I want to know before I download the LiveCD
[05:40] <travail101> as if it doesn't have it
[05:40] <travail101> I don't need it
[05:40] <travail101> and I definitely don't want to waste a CD even if I do download it, just to find out it doesn't have it
[05:41] <jbailey> Use a rewritable. =)
[05:42] <Lathiat> boot it in qemu :)
=== Amaranth wonders if you could mount the ISO and chroot into it
[05:44] <travail101> ok... I need it because My HD crashed
[05:44] <travail101> I have no other linux machine handy
[05:44] <travail101> and I'm on a laptop in Spain
[05:44] <travail101> limited options
[05:45] <travail101> but i finally found out in #ubuntu that it didn't make it in the final
[05:45] <travail101> I know oneof the guys in here a while back was workin on it, but...
[05:45] <travail101> I guess it wasn't ready in time
[05:45] <travail101> thanx for the thoughts anyway though
[05:46] <travail101> I'll use the Gentoo RR4 LiveCD instead... maybe the next Ubuntu will have it :-D
[05:47] <Lathiat> pff, just get better hardware
[05:48] <travail101> Money is something a lot of linux users don't have readily available
[05:49] <travail101> and I really didn't have anybody telling me "hey don't get that crappy Hitachi Deathstar-travel, it's gonna get bad sectors and eat away at the drive till it dies in just 9 months from purchasing it"
[05:49] <travail101> being in a foreign counrty doesn't help with rectifying the problem either
[05:49] <travail101> anyway
[05:49] <travail101> the Prism2 wireless chipset is good hardware on the other hand
[05:50] <travail101> and fully supported under linux (for what I use it for anyway)
[05:50] <Lathiat> travail101: i was mostly joking :)
[05:50] <travail101> I know...
[05:50] <travail101> but i thought i would clarify
[05:50] <Lathiat> :)
[05:51] <travail101> anyway, I'm going to reboot into this RR4 livecd and ditch Knoppix with it's non-firefoxness and general outdatedness
[05:51] <travail101> bbl, if nothing goes wrong
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[06:18] <Lathiat> tseng: ping
[06:35] <whip|udu> mdz: are you here in sydney?
[06:37] <jdub> hey whip|udu 
[06:39] <whip|udu> hey jdub!
=== tfheen got a nice and crackful idea.
[06:41] <tfheen> we store environment variables in gconf and preload something to load them from there.
[06:41] <tfheen> so you can have per-process, per-session, per-user and per-system settings.
[06:41] <tfheen> totally crack, but it should work.
[06:41] <tfheen> jdub: moo?
[06:46] <jnc> store anything else in gconf and i will let loose a herd of rabid monkeys on your measuring equipment
[06:46] <jnc> this includes all forms of rulers be they metric or imperical units
[06:46] <tfheen> uhm, why?
[06:47] <jnc> exceptions will NOT be made for anything covered in butter substitutes.
[06:47] <jnc> why?
[06:47] <jnc> why you ask
[06:47] <jnc> because i can. that is why
[06:47] <jnc> it should work, after all.   
[06:47] <tfheen> yes, and gconf works fairly well
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[07:51] <jdub> tfheen: tdb or ldb?
[07:56] <tfheen> tdb
[07:56] <tfheen> ldb is the ldap thing
[07:56] <tfheen> tdb is the backend which ldb usually uses.
[07:57] <tfheen> and ldb isn't packaged, it seems
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[08:01] <ningo> http://members.home.nl/saen/Special/zoeken.html
[08:02] <Treenaks> *mutes sound*
[08:02] <Burgundavia> ningo, that is not on topic here, please go away
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[08:03] <ningo> Burgundavia, actually Xchat /amsg is network spanning
[08:03] <Burgundavia> ningo, lovely, that is still spam
[08:04] <ningo> indeed
[08:04] <jdub> tfheen: yeah, ldb might be a better choice
[08:04] <ningo> so be warnend, when i try to sell you laptops :p
[08:04] <jdub> tfheen: bug jon oxer about packaging for it :)
[08:05] <tfheen> jdub: I guess so, yeah.
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[08:09] <tfheen> jdub: even tdb will be a lot more comfortable than db, though
[08:12] <jdub> yeah ;)
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[08:47] <lamont_r> hello jdub
[08:48] <lamont_r> back in a few
[08:56] <infinity> lamont_r : Can you respin builds of imagemagick now that libtiffxx0 is in main?
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[09:00] <cartman> anyone knows whats up with squid on breezy?
[09:00] <cartman> dist-upgrade tries to remove it
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[09:48] <colombus> hello
[09:50] <colombus> ressource busy or not avaible for totem?
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[09:52] <colombus> hello
[09:52] <colombus> ressource busy or not avaible for totem?
[09:53] <colombus> ressource busy or not avaible for totem what does it mean?
[09:55] <colombus> what woul it be?
[09:55] <colombus> what is this problem?
[09:56] <colombus> do someone read me?
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[10:01] <orangehaw> hi, i managed to install dpkg -i linux-image-2.6.12-1-686-smp_2.6.11.90-1_i386.deb along with initrd-tools_0.1.78ubuntu1_all and when rebooting everything is fine. Only thing is that i can't get nvidia driver working. I have the linux-source-2.6.12_2.6.11.90.orig.tar.gz and unpacked it. Then: /sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-7167-pkg1.run --kernel-source-path=/usr/src/linux-source-2.6.12-2.6.11.90/
[10:02] <colombus> hi
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[10:16] <jbailey_> Hey - this channel really does seem to play nothing but Simpsons. =)
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[10:16] <tfheen> hi jeff
[10:16] <jbailey> Heya Tollef.
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[11:12] <dholbach> hey
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[11:22] <abelli> trulux: ding
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[12:03] <zyga> hello
[12:05] <sladen> hi zyga 
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[03:59] <tfheen> hi ogra
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[04:00] <ogra> hey tollef
[04:00] <ogra> already in te hotel ?
[04:00] <tfheen> no, still in Canberra
[04:00] <tfheen> coming to Sydney tomorrow afternoon
[04:01] <ogra> ah, ok...
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[04:08] <cartman> hmm I missed jbailey
[04:10] <ogra> cartman, he just fell asleep
[04:10] <cartman> ogra: you are in in .au too for UDU?
[04:11] <cartman> btw whoever supposed to make gcc-4.0 transtion should read lkml . there is some miscomplation report for kernel
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[04:12] <ogra> cartman, the kernel wont be compiled with 4.0
[04:13] <cartman> ah how come gcc points to gcc-4.0 here
[04:13] <cartman> thats breezy
[04:14] <cartman> hmm I should go back to gcc-3.4 for that too maybe it will fix my MCE problems
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[04:14] <ogra> cartman, everything except the kernel will be 4.0 in breezy
[04:14] <cartman> yep thats _cool_ 
[04:15] <cartman> would be cooler if gcc didn't miscompile rather important things
[04:15] <cartman> kernel,khtml,etc
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[04:36] <tfheen> scary shit.
[04:37] <tfheen> my tdb backend seems to work
[04:37] <Robot101> \o/
[04:37] <tfheen> this means we can have an e-d-s backend that DOESN'T SUCK!
[04:37] <tfheen> :)
[04:37] <tfheen> yay me, yay tdb
[04:38] <Lathiat> tfheen: for what?
[04:38] <tfheen> for evolution-data-server
[04:38] <Lathiat> oh
[04:38] <Lathiat> right
[04:38] <Lathiat> im doing an ldb backend to gconf
[04:38] <Lathiat> (which uses tdb)
[04:38] <tfheen> yay, cool.
[04:38] <Lathiat> and can also connect to a real ldap server then
[04:39] <Lathiat> so we kill 2 birds with one stone
[04:39] <tfheen> I know, I saw tridge demonstrate that yesterday
[04:39] <Lathiat> to quote a man 'ROCK ON!'
[04:39] <tfheen> are the devel libs for ldb packaged now?
[04:39] <Lathiat> tfheen: you at burgmann?
[04:39] <tfheen> yeah
[04:39] <tfheen> you too?
[04:39] <Lathiat> tfheen: nope but i was talking with tridge about doing that today?
[04:39] <Lathiat> tfheen: yeh im down at the bar
[04:39] <Lathiat> tfheen: come say hI!
[04:39] <tfheen> where's the bar?
[04:39] <tfheen> :)
[04:39] <Lathiat> bottom floor
[04:39] <Lathiat> near the vending machine out to the back
[04:39] <tfheen> oh, ok.
[04:39] <tfheen> I'll come down
[04:39] <Lathiat> can hear the blues brothers on
[04:40] <tfheen> just have to check where the heck my tdb database is saved. :P
[04:40] <Lathiat> sweet.
[04:40] <Lathiat> haha
[04:40] <tfheen> it's there, but I can't find the files. :)
[04:44] <robertj> has there been any discussion on automounting ntfs drives as ro
[04:46] <tfheen> Lathiat: I'm coming down now, I guess you'll see me, white shirt.
[04:47] <Lathiat> ok
[04:47] <tfheen> Lathiat: I have no idea what you look like, so. :)
[04:47] <Lathiat> im with a dell laptop
[04:47] <Lathiat> red shirt
[04:48] <Lathiat> and not the guy with the white shirt
[04:48] <Lathiat> :)
[04:48] <tfheen> oh, that many people down there?
[04:48] <Lathiat> just me and cef
[04:48] <tfheen> ok, cool
[04:49] <Lathiat> the rest buggered off to bed or something
[04:49] <Lathiat> there was like 8 of us and some random chicks at some point, theyve all gone now
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[06:41] <Amaranth> "Elmo on helium is one of the funniest things known to man."
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[06:56] <\sh> hmmm..
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[08:53] <stuNNed> what is the default dhcp client in ubuntu?  dhcp3-client?
[08:53] <cartman> stuNNed: yes
[09:05] <stuNNed> cartman: can you see this: http://uclinux.info/lance/ubuntu/bugs/dhcp-client_ubuntu ?
[09:06] <stuNNed> or do you get an 404 or something?
[09:06] <cartman> nope can see
[09:06] <stuNNed> ok thanks
[09:18] <stuNNed> I can't cc: whoever I want at bugzilla?
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[09:23] <Burgundavia> who do you want to cc?
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[09:25] <stuNNed> casey@tulane.edu
[09:27] <stuNNed> is it possible?
[09:31] <stuNNed> Burgundavia: that is odd that i can't cc: the admin of the dhcp server at my uni i'm having problems with no?
[09:32] <Burgundavia> I think you can only cc yourself for good reason
[09:32] <stuNNed> i thought cc was open, oh well, okay, so he'll have to create an account to comment right?
[09:33] <Burgundavia> yes
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[09:33] <stuNNed> ok thanks
[09:33] <tfheen> Lathiat: yay, I got it working.  You'll never guess what the problem was. :P
[09:34] <stuNNed> entered as #10090, thanks cartman and Burgundavia 
[09:49] <stuNNed> hmmm on my laptop i can select cd burn speed in nautilus but on desktop can't
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[10:28] <nanophase> hi
[10:42] <nanophase> anyone here who works on the acpi-support package?
[10:43] <Treenaks> what do you want to know about it
[10:46] <nanophase> filed a bug today, and if that someone would need me to test, it's faster on irc. in addition I would have an idea as a notebook user.
[10:46] <nanophase> things that are easier on irc..
[10:51] <stuNNed> can you guys include galeon in main? 
[10:53] <stuNNed> seeing that is it very gnome-centric and a powerhouse of a browser imho
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[10:54] <Burgundavia> I thought gnome is shipping epip by default now
[10:55] <stuNNed> yes but imho epip has way locked down preferences as dictated by what proper UI should be
[10:56] <Burgundavia> galeon is already in universe, what advantage do you gain by having it in main?
[11:01] <crimsun> stuNNed: galeon was replaced by epiphany some time ago
[11:01] <crimsun> d'oh, Burgundavia already said as much
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[11:03] <stuNNed> epip is too simple and the whole idea of extensions is just cr*p imho
[11:04] <Burgundavia> stuNNed, did you see my question?
[11:05] <stuNNed> Burgundavia: imho galeon should replace epip as gnome's default browser, the gain would be galeon would be default for users who want a gnome browser over something like epip
[11:05] <Burgundavia> ok, convince the gnome devs of that
[11:05] <Burgundavia> ubuntu is not the place for such a discussion
[11:06] <Burgundavia> the browser is available, in universe
[11:06] <stuNNed> ok thanks :)
[11:06] <Burgundavia> np
[11:07] <stuNNed> thanks for including it in universe all the same :)
[11:09] <\sh> ok..python is nice..pyqt is also nice...replacing knyaptic with pynaptiq ;)
[11:19] <zyga> hello
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