[12:00] <b0ol> @ matt1987
[12:00] <sihen> check this error guys
[12:00] <b0ol> i think on the dvd vers.
[12:00] <sihen> W: GPG error: http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-security Release: Unknown error executing gpgv
[12:00] <matt1987> yeas
[12:00] <sihen> W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net testing Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907
[12:00] <sihen> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[12:00] <sihen> E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[12:00] <tbird> http://leapster.org/linux/tomcat/
[12:00] <sihen> this is when preforming a ap-get update
[12:00] <b0ol> there is more content
[12:00] <b0ol> more extras
[12:01] <b0ol> you wont have to  install so much as the system is installed
[12:01] <b0ol> ?
[12:01] <holycow> does anyone know why xmms volume doesn't respond to the main volume changer in the top right panel, instead only it's own volume changer, or pcm works?
[12:01] <nickrud> sihen, there's a wiki telling you how to get the gpg key for ftp.nerim.net
[12:01] <matt1987> so will i get more stuff with is
[12:01] <matt1987> t
[12:02] <matt1987> it*
[12:02] <elis> never mind. i'm going back to windows....
[12:02] <IceMan3301> Anyone here have a problem with "choppy" video playback from Real Player on Ubunsu for PPC?
[12:03] <holycow> elis...
[12:03] <holycow> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:03] <sihen> nickrud, ?
[12:03] <pablo928> elis) i'd try a re-install first
[12:03] <holycow> lol gone
[12:03] <holycow> pablo928, they are gone
[12:03] <nickrud> wait a sec, gott deal with real life for a few minutes :)
[12:04] <pablo928>  holycow  elis had a strange problem
[12:04] <holycow> yeah, i'm reading
[12:04] <visjes> I seem to be having a weird issue with environment variables.. i'm using xfce, and it calls sensible-browser to launch the web browser.. now, in my /etc/profile BROWSER is set to mozilla-firefox, but sensible browser launches konqueror when launched from the xfce panel.. however if i load a terminal and call sensible-browser from there, firefox is loaded.. what up with that?
[12:05] <root> can any one help me ????
[12:05] <nickrud> sihen, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[12:05] <sihen> ta
[12:06] <nickrud> do the whole thing, it'll be worth your time :)
[12:06] <QMario> How do I make Perl print out random numbers?
[12:07] <visjes> even in like xchat, i guess it launches sensible-browser by default when i do open url in web browser.. it launches konqueror
[12:07] <QMario> In an array.
[12:07] <sihen> thanx
[12:07] <djones> QMario, I talked to #Perl on your behalf
[12:07] <visjes> you write a program that does that.. afaik there isn't a specific command that will take an array, select a random number and print it
[12:08] <camcorder> is there a way to disable agpgarp w/ kernel command?
[12:08] <djones> QMario, You're shit out of luck.
[12:08] <djones> Qmario, You were abusing sial.org 's pastebot?
[12:08] <visjes> disable it? you can remove it
[12:08] <visjes> rmmod agpgart
[12:08] <SQL_Sam> got a question regarding 'universe' repository.....  I got the following from my sources.list:
[12:08] <SQL_Sam> ## Uncomment the following two lines to add software from the 'universe'
[12:08] <SQL_Sam> ## repository.
[12:08] <SQL_Sam> ## N.B. software from this repository is ENTIRELY UNSUPPORTED by the Ubuntu
[12:08] <SQL_Sam> ## team, and may not be under a free licence. Please satisfy yourself as to
[12:08] <SQL_Sam> ## your rights to use the software. Also, please note that software in
[12:08] <SQL_Sam> ## universe WILL NOT receive any review or updates from the Ubuntu security
[12:08] <visjes> other than that.. *shrug*
[12:08] <SQL_Sam> ## team.
[12:09] <SQL_Sam> # deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[12:09] <SQL_Sam> # deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[12:09] <Anlar> eep
[12:09] <SQL_Sam> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security main restricted
[12:09] <SQL_Sam> deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security main restricted
[12:09] <QMario> Abusing?
[12:09] <visjes> christ
[12:09] <SQL_Sam> # deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security universe
[12:09] <SQL_Sam> # deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security universe
[12:09] <Anlar> sql_sam: never EVER paste like that
[12:09] <djones> stop it!
[12:09] <SQL_Sam> sorry
[12:09] <SQL_Sam> wont do again
[12:09] <dantheman> does anyone know of a gmail checker for linux that actually works?
[12:10] <nickrud> visjes, what you want to do is update-alternatives --config x-www-browser.
[12:10] <nickrud> that'll fix it.
[12:10] <visjes> whoa, interesting
[12:10] <visjes> thanks :D
[12:10] <zero[] > SQL_Sam: you don't enable multiverse?
[12:10] <nickrud> the problem is that your bashrc is not read in when you start gnome, but it is when you use a terminal :)
[12:11] <visjes> i guess when i installed KDE it changed that for me?
[12:11] <nickrud> yes!
[12:11] <JaGWiRE``> Hey
[12:11] <JaGWiRE``> I just burned my ubuntu cd with nero (udf / iso style ) and my notebook did not boot it, but I heard it trying to read it.
[12:11] <nickrud> there's a lot of interesting things in /etc/alternatives, that's what the update changing
[12:11] <JaGWiRE``> I made sure the bios had optical drive set, of course.
[12:11] <Mallocfreak> hey does everybody here speak english???
[12:11] <JaGWiRE``> It reads my suse 9.2 dvd though, what type of cd should I had made it burn??
[12:12] <visjes> how did you burn it? just burnt the iso.. you did recorder -> burn image right?
[12:12] <JaGWiRE``> Nero starsmart.
[12:12] <visjes> Mallocfreak, pretty much
[12:12] <JaGWiRE``> Data udf / iso cd
[12:12] <Mallocfreak> okej
[12:12] <monteiro> anyone has an ati radeon 9600 pro working in ubuntu with 3d acceleration ?
[12:12] <visjes> ahh.. right, i haven't used smartstart in ages .. hmm.
[12:12] <Mallocfreak> im from sweden so i just wanted too kow
[12:12] <visjes> if you can launch the nero program directly, just use the recorder -> burn image menu option
[12:13] <Mallocfreak> know
[12:13] <JaGWiRE``> Alright, i'm in the rom.
[12:13] <visjes> well it's a pretty international crowd, so you'll probably find people here who speak various languages
[12:13] <JaGWiRE``> Which do I select?
[12:13] <JaGWiRE``> Cd-rom (iso)
[12:13] <visjes> just hit cancel on the thing that first pops up
[12:13] <JaGWiRE``> The default one thats on?
[12:13] <visjes> and use the menu at the top
[12:13] <pablo928> I never did get nero to burn an .iso correctly
[12:13] <JaGWiRE``> K, canceled.
[12:13] <JaGWiRE``> Which menu?
[12:13] <visjes> recorder, then select burn image
[12:14] <super_dude2> how can you change permisions set by the root user?
[12:14] <JaGWiRE``> Alright.
[12:14] <JaGWiRE``> Began burning, thanx.
[12:14] <JaGWiRE``> I'll give it a try =)
[12:14] <visjes> cool, hope that works for ya
[12:14] <Ironfrost> if it's Nero for Windows, you can just add an iso in the normal 'add files' dialog box, and it will detect it and burn as an image
[12:14] <visjes> super_dude2, use sudo chmod
[12:15] <JaGWiRE``> lol, nero for linux just came out and instantly i'm using the nix version
[12:15] <JaGWiRE``> i laugh at you guys sometimes :D
[12:15] <super_dude2> visjes is that all or is there more i have to type with that
[12:15] <visjes> well whatever options you need to change
[12:15] <super_dude2> and its a network folder
[12:15] <visjes> i.e. sudo chmod -x file or whatever.. check the chmod man page (man chmod) to see what options are available
[12:16] <super_dude2> and what do u type to change it so i can edit the permisions
[12:16] <visjes> anything you execute with sudo is executed as root
[12:17] <super_dude2> yea but i want to open a folder to edit the contents but is says the owner is root so i just want to change so i can edit permisons in a visual window
[12:17] <fisken> Hey, when installing ubuntu it gets stuck at 25% in "configuring apt..", it's been stuck for like 30 minutes. Should it take some while there.. or?
[12:18] <nickrud> super_dude2, what folder?
[12:18] <SeamusLP> fisken:  Bad CD, maybe?
[12:19] <Mallocfreak> can someone write a fun game that i can install
[12:19] <nickrud> sorry, didn't read back far enough :)
[12:19] <zorglub> is the network setting dialog in hoary the pristine gnome 2.10 one or is it a reworked one ?
[12:19] <fisken> SeamusLP, yueah, maybe. But wanted to check here. :p
[12:19] <SeamusLP> fisken:  I've never had an ubuntu install last longer than 20 minutes, so I'd say something's borked
[12:20] <fisken> SeamusLP, hmh, yeah, probably. I'll get a new on this comp. then.
[12:20] <SeamusLP> fisken:  Burn it slowly, that's the best way to ensure you're getting a good CD
[12:20] <fisken> I will. :)
[12:21] <super_dude22> sorry i lost conection
[12:21] <super_dude22> yea but i want to open a folder to edit the contents but is says the owner is root so i just want to change so i can edit permisons in a visual window
[12:21] <Traderjb> ] Ok, for the hell of it, I reinstalled ubuntu
[12:21] <Traderjb> only, I typed server
[12:22] <Traderjb> now it is done installing, but the login is now a command line (oh the old days of DOS, how I miss thee!).
[12:22] <Traderjb> How do I get to GNOME now?
[12:22] <visjes> lol
[12:22] <visjes> yeah you might want to reinstall
[12:22] <visjes> server installs the base minimum
[12:22] <Anlar> server? uhh
[12:22] <Ironfrost> super_dude22 - use the following command:
[12:22] <Ironfrost> sudo chown -R username folderaddress
[12:22] <SeamusLP> Traderjb:  Who the hell installs gnome on a server :P
[12:22] <Ironfrost> where username = your username
[12:22] <Traderjb> Oh for cryin' out loud
[12:22] <Xappe> Traderjb: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[12:22] <Ironfrost> and folderaddress is the address of the folder
[12:22] <super_dude22> ty
[12:23] <nickrud> Traderjb, if you want the whole thing apt-get install ubuntu-desktop, but
[12:23] <visjes> there's nothing installed except the absolute requrements lol
[12:23] <Traderjb> Ah
[12:23] <Ironfrost> np
[12:23] <Traderjb> I must be the stupidest person on here
[12:23] <nickrud> no, no!
[12:23] <visjes> i dunno, is qmario still here? *ducks*
[12:23] <super_dude22> whats the address for a network folder ?
[12:23] <scrd> not quite, i have a much dumber question
[12:23] <visjes> i kid i kid
[12:23] <visjes> back later
[12:23] <nickrud> apt-get install x-window-system, and any suggestions for an interesting window manager?
[12:23] <SeamusLP> Traderjb:  No, it's "most stupid", stupidest isn't proper I believe.
[12:24] <Traderjb> Ok, things are happening, I see lines of things screaming past my little screen!
[12:24] <SeamusLP> Oh crap dude
[12:24] <Sauron21> could anyone tell me how to create a link to a folder?
[12:25] <tbird> Sauron21, ln -s
[12:25] <Traderjb> Oh you guys are great
[12:25] <Traderjb> Things are a happening
[12:26] <Sauron21> so if I wanted to create a link to my cdrom which is at /dev/hdc.....I would tupe "ln -s /dev/hdc"  ?
[12:26] <Sauron21> just checking....
[12:26] <XTCboarder> anybody nkow how to use iptables?
[12:26] <SeamusLP> Traderjb:  If you're going to run a server the GUI is going to be excess bulk.  Not to mention an additional security hazard.
[12:26] <tbird> Sauron21, ok what exactly are you trying to do
[12:26] <tbird> make a link to the desktop ?
[12:27] <scrd> anyone willing to help with a vlc install?
[12:27] <Sauron21> no....to wine....I typed the wrong path to my cdrom...have to change it...:P
[12:27] <XTCboarder> do i have to restart iptables when i change them or do they come up automatically?
[12:27] <tbird> oh
[12:27] <tbird> change it in the config
[12:27] <tbird> do you have winesetuptk ?
[12:27] <Xappe> XTCboarder: I use shorewall as a frontend for iptables...really good stuff :)
[12:28] <nickrud> scrd, apt-get install vlc vlc-esd
[12:28] <nickrud> assuming it's gnome
[12:28] <Sauron21> yeah....but I dont want to start it all over because of one small mistake..
[12:29] <tbird> Sauron21, have you installed anything in it ?
[12:29] <Sauron21> yes I have....
[12:29] <tbird> its nothing to redo it in winesetuptk
[12:29] <tbird> oh ok
[12:29] <tbird> then find the config
[12:29] <scrd> tried it nickrud, it read the package lists, built the dependency tree, and then gave me:  "E: Couldn't find package vlc"
[12:29] <tbird> and change it there
[12:29] <XTCboarder> xappe, is that a GUI or just another command line stuuff?
[12:30] <Sauron21> I have tried it...but when I try to change it....is just makes another link....but thats with the name "d::" and wine kinda messes that up....
[12:30] <nickrud> scrd, you need the universe repository. go to http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats, work your way through it.
[12:31] <Xappe> XTCboarder: it's command line stuff, or more like editing text files stuff. but it's easy, it even comes with examples that you can use with only a small amount of changes
[12:31] <LaDWhitty> hello
[12:31] <Trickyphillips> How can I see a list of every synaptic package that I have installed?
[12:31] <nickrud> It's not that hard :)
[12:31] <scrd> thanks nickrud
[12:31] <nickrud> scrd, np
[12:31] <LaDWhitty> i need help installing ubuntu please
[12:31] <St0n3-C0l> LadWhitty: on which topic ?
[12:31] <XTCboarder> xappe thx
[12:31] <LaDWhitty> the computer im trying to install it on is really old and doesnt support booting from a cd
[12:31] <XTCboarder> is it secure to run webmin?
[12:32] <St0n3-C0l> lol
[12:32] <LaDWhitty> so i have to somehow create a boot floppy disk and install it from there
[12:32] <|QuaD-> XTCboarder: yeah
[12:32] <tbird> LaDWhitty, http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/LinuxTutorialRecoveryAndBootDisk.html
[12:32] <XTCboarder> cool
[12:32] <St0n3-C0l> my floppy drive has died already
[12:32] <LaDWhitty> the computer already has/had windows 98 on it
[12:32] <|QuaD-> computer is 4 years old
[12:32] <LaDWhitty> and it doesnt recognize it anymore
[12:33] <LaDWhitty> lol
[12:33] <St0n3-C0l> haha
[12:33] <XTCboarder> when i used my floppy drive i noticed it was broken but guarantee on my computer had ended already :p
[12:33] <|QuaD-> XTCboarder: floppies cost like $5, go buy another one
[12:34] <xerxes1358> How do I add the Debian's repository to my list ? i need some apps that ubuntu does not have (I think)
[12:34] <LaDWhitty> yea, i dont understand anything on that site
[12:34] <tbird> xerxes1358, add them just like you add the ubuntu ones
[12:34] <EvilSporkMan> anyone got an up-to-date comparison of ext3 and reiserfs?
[12:34] <Xappe> heh, I used a usb floppy on this comp a coulple of days ago (for the first time) just to create boot floppys for booting the win2k install program on a friend's computer
[12:34] <xerxes1358> tbird, I am just for like 5 minutes on ubuntu
[12:34] <tbird> lol
[12:34] <tbird> ok
[12:35] <Ironfrost> totally random question, but how are you supposed to say sudo?
[12:35] <EvilSporkMan> Ironfrost: like pseudo?
[12:35] <tbird> look at etc/apt/sources.list
[12:35] <mdz-syd> xerxes1358: what you want is to enable universe; see the comments in sources.list
[12:35] <|QuaD-> xerxes1358: you take the risk of running into compatibility issues if you add debian repos
[12:35] <tbird> er wait
[12:35] <mdz-syd> xerxes1358: it is not a good idea to mix Debian and Ubuntu packages, and there is no reason to do so since everything in Debian is available from the Ubuntu repositories
[12:35] <xerxes1358> |QuaD-, what other choice I have ?
[12:35] <Xappe> Ironfrost: superuser do, go figure :)
[12:35] <|QuaD-> xerxes1358: what do you need?
[12:35] <Ironfrost> I was thinking it should be soo-doh, but then I thought perhaps it would be soo-doo
[12:35] <|QuaD-> what programs
[12:36] <zerokarmaleft> Xappe, sounds weird like soo-doo
[12:36] <|QuaD-> xerxes1358: listen to mdzz
[12:36] <xerxes1358> lyx, ssh and mysql etc..
[12:36] <|QuaD-> *mdz
[12:36] <EvilSporkMan> Ironfrost: almost certain it's a pun on sudo
[12:36] <Ironfrost> for the same reason as Xappe just said
[12:36] <tbird> i would commit them out after getting what you need
[12:36] <EvilSporkMan> **on pseudo
[12:36] <|QuaD-> xerxes1358: those are all in main i believe
[12:36] <|QuaD-> ubuntu main
[12:36] <tbird> and run apt-get update again
[12:36] <xerxes1358> Is ubuntu's list also "complete"? How large is it ?
[12:36] <LaDWhitty> how do i make a boot floppy?
[12:36] <EvilSporkMan> eff it, i'm using reiser
[12:36] <tbird> LaDWhitty, i gave a link
[12:36] <|QuaD-> xerxes1358: basically contains all debian packages plus some
[12:36] <LaDWhitty> yea, i didnt understand what it was saying -_-
[12:37] <xerxes1358> |QuaD-, ok just how do I install lyx for example ?
[12:37] <JaGWiRE``> hey
[12:37] <JaGWiRE``> where can I get a dos bootable floppy image?
[12:37] <JaGWiRE``> have grub problems
[12:37] <xerxes1358> apt-get install lyx keeps asking me for a cdrom
[12:37] <|QuaD-> xerxes1358: enable universe repo
[12:37] <XTCboarder> |QuaD- XTCboarder: floppies cost like $5, go buy another one <<< not interested on having one :p
[12:37] <JaGWiRE``> i need to do fdisk /mbr
[12:37] <JaGWiRE``> need dos bootable img :\
[12:37] <|QuaD-> xerxes1358: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#repositories
[12:37] <|QuaD-> XTCboarder: hehe... i don't blame you
[12:37] <tbird> LaDWhitty, are you in linux now
[12:38] <LaDWhitty> no
[12:38] <LaDWhitty> right now im in windows xp pro
[12:38] <LaDWhitty> the comp i want to install linux on cant boot because it cant find an os
[12:38] <EvilSporkMan> what is the best portion of the install to get up and go do something else? downloading packages during base-config?
[12:38] <EvilSporkMan> i.e. which part takes the longest
[12:38] <Xappe> JaGWiRE``: http://www.bootdisk.org/
[12:38] <JaGWiRE``> Bootable floppy = just copy dos img to floppy, right?
[12:38] <BazooKA> JaGWiRE`` get the ultimate boot cd from the net
[12:38] <JaGWiRE``> I can't read cd.
[12:39] <JaGWiRE``> Only floppy for some reason with grub problems.
[12:39] <BazooKA> ohh ok..
[12:39] <JaGWiRE``> Been there, done that.
[12:39] <JaGWiRE``> 7361a.dyn.optonline.net) (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
[12:39] <JaGWiRE``> -02:04:59-  Quit (Xirdneh) (~eusoj@201.129.107.23) (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
[12:39] <JaGWiRE``> -02:05:01- (dazed) e
[12:39] <JaGWiRE``> -02:05:01- (kkathman) goo I had no problem installing on my system
[12:39] <JaGWiRE``> oops
[12:39] <JaGWiRE``> damn ctrl v
[12:39] <JaGWiRE``> dos7emerg.
[12:39] <JaGWiRE``> just copy that to floppy?
[12:39] <EvilSporkMan> JaGWiRE``: tom's root boot floppy is linux, but still
[12:39] <BazooKA> or the freedos
[12:39] <EvilSporkMan> JaGWiRE``: uh, you'll need rawwrite (rawrite?) on windows and dd on 'nix if it's a .img or .bin file
[12:40] <JaGWiRE``> i've got dos7emerg.ima
[12:40] <JaGWiRE``> can't just put that on a floppy?
[12:40] <JaGWiRE``> i'm not in nix.. can't boot to windows or nix
[12:40] <JaGWiRE``> have grub loading stage problem, lol.
[12:40] <LaDWhitty> hey is there any way to put the boot cd i already have onto a boot floppy?
[12:40] <tbird> is there files on it for a floppy ?
[12:40] <XTCboarder> xappe where is the shorewall doumentation?
[12:41] <EvilSporkMan> JaGWiRE``: you can't just copy the file - that's analogous to burning a CD containing an ISO file instead of a CD as imaged by an ISO file
[12:41] <JaGWiRE``> just attempted to install ubuntu over a previous suse installation and then I read that it will not insall over any linux files, therefore, i reoboted and got grub problem. I now need to get back into windows, partition magic, and format that partition of suse.
[12:41] <LaDWhitty> i have no idea
[12:41] <tbird> lol
[12:41] <JaGWiRE``> I'm at bootdisk.org
[12:41] <LaDWhitty> a friend made the boot cd for me so i have no clue what is on it
[12:41] <JaGWiRE``> Which dos bootdisk?
[12:42] <LaDWhitty> so does anyone have any suggestions?
[12:43] <tbird> ok chk this out   http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/archive/25/2003/08/2/75349
[12:43] <BazooKA> JaGWiRE`` so you are using windows or nix now?
[12:43] <JaGWiRE``> I'm on mydesktop.
[12:43] <JaGWiRE``> I can't boot into either, LOL.
[12:43] <JaGWiRE``> on my notebook it just goes to grub loading stage.
[12:43] <JaGWiRE``> duh
[12:43] <JaGWiRE``> windows for now.
[12:43] <BazooKA> then you will need rawrite to write the image to a floppy
[12:44] <JaGWiRE``> wanna direct me with baby steps?
[12:44] <JaGWiRE``> never done this before, heh.
[12:44] <JaGWiRE``> first of all, give me a linux to what I need to dl.. www.bootdisk.org is great, except that i don't know what I need.
[12:44] <Ironfrost> if your computer is that old, do you really want to install Ubuntu onto it?
[12:44] <darGor> how to use Ethereal in Ubuntu? i need root to use it. and ubuntu don't have root passwd...
[12:44] <JaGWiRE``> It is a brand new sony notebook.
[12:44] <LaDWhitty> wow, that was like greek to me
[12:44] <BazooKA> http://uranus.it.swin.edu.au/~jn/linux/rawwrite.htm
[12:44] <JaGWiRE``> Just isn't reading xp cd, dunno why.
[12:44] <BazooKA> get the binary for windows
[12:45] <Ironfrost> jagwire - is your bios set to boot from CD?
[12:45] <EvilSporkMan> is there an AMD64 channel for ubuntu?
[12:45] <JaGWiRE``> Ironfrost: i'm not an idiot, of course it is.
[12:45] <Ironfrost> I was just checking the most obvious things
[12:45] <Ironfrost> because sometimes they get missed
[12:45] <JaGWiRE``> It reads the ubuntu cd, except that I am trying to install over a previous suse installation and ubuntu doesn't allow this in the partitioner. Thus I must boot into windows and use partition magic to format the suse partition.
[12:45] <EvilSporkMan> and/or what's the difference between the linux-amd64-generic and linux-image-amd64-generic packages?
[12:45] <Ironfrost> or is that just me ''
[12:46] <EvilSporkMan> JaGWiRE``: why don't you just nuke the suse partition with the ubuntu partitioner?
[12:46] <holycow> JaGWiRE``, ummm .... ubuntu can 'format' whatever partition you like?
[12:46] <JaGWiRE``> It doesn't seem to be letting me?
[12:46] <BazooKA> JaGWiRE`` http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/beta9sr1/
[12:46] <borgista> Anyone willing to help me out with a wirless D-link (DWL-G52 rev01) card?
[12:46] <BazooKA> ok check this
[12:46] <JaGWiRE``> After I do that, it tells me
[12:46] <JaGWiRE``> "Something about root not selected"
[12:46] <holycow> JaGWiRE``, why not reinstall and just format the 'suse/ubuntu' hosed partition?
[12:46] <borgista> wirless*
[12:46] <borgista> wireless*
[12:46] <JaGWiRE``> And in partitioner, i find nothing about root.
[12:46] <nickrud> BazooKA, thanks for that link :)
[12:46] <BazooKA> get the rawrite.exe and fdos1440.img
[12:47] <tbird> you have to delete the suse partitions and make new ones for ubuntu
[12:47] <BazooKA> and then use the rawrite to write that img to your floppy
[12:47] <JaGWiRE``> link to fdos1440.img?
[12:47] <JaGWiRE``> I know tbird.
[12:47] <cyklus> is it possible to reconnect to a terminal on a server if you got disconnected?
[12:47] <JaGWiRE``> Or just reformat the suse one with partition magic, i'de tihnk.
[12:47] <JaGWiRE``> Thats what i'm trying to do!
[12:47] <JaGWiRE``> Duh!!
[12:47] <borgista> Anyone with wireless card experience? Thank you.
[12:47] <JaGWiRE``> BazooKA: dunno where to get that, lost on bootdisk.org
[12:47] <EvilSporkMan> bugs go to bugs.ubuntulinux.org?
[12:47] <devazion> I need rename lots of files... they all got a ; in their names a want to dele.. anyone know how to do this thing?
[12:47] <yoink> what music players are you all using?
[12:47] <carl> Need some help with email
[12:48] <borgista> yoink, I use XMMS
[12:48] <tbird> xmms and mplayer here
[12:48] <BazooKA> JaGWiRE`` http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/beta9sr1/ <<--- they are all here
[12:48] <isaac> Anyone here have any experience with video on a PowerBook G4 with Ubuntu 5.04?
[12:48] <Xappe> BMP, XMMS and rythmbox
[12:48] <isaac> I seem to be stuck in 640x480.
[12:48] <tbird> the mplayer firefox plugin is nice
[12:48] <shinu> what is the command to set another window manager as default?
[12:48] <borgista> Once again: anyone with wirless card experience?
[12:48] <yoink> i love rhythmbox but it doesnt have .m4a support
[12:48] <holycow> JaGWiRE``, you don't need anything but ubuntu installer for that ... all you do is select the partition, in the dialog where it lets you select the file system and mount point, it will let you select to 'reformat' the partition as well
[12:48] <isaac> Borgista:  sorry, not me
[12:48] <yoink> which sux
[12:48] <JaGWiRE``> Oh, in mount point.
[12:49] <borgista> Alright. I will just try that question later.
[12:49] <JaGWiRE``> I didn't see reformat the partition option anyway.
[12:49] <JaGWiRE``> This is good for me anyway.
[12:49] <isaac> I must admit, the 640x480 is...rather hindering.
[12:49] <borgista> I think I will try the forums. Thank you all.
[12:49] <isaac> Especially since this is the 15" monitor version of the titanium powerbook
[12:49] <BazooKA> JaGWiRE`` you can reformat the partiton - if you choose not to keep the contents
[12:49] <holycow> JaGWiRE``, *nod* yeah you can manually partition the system as well
[12:49] <yoink> xmms looks so crappy though
[12:49] <isaac> lol
[12:49] <BazooKA> the installer will then reformat the partition
[12:49] <JaGWiRE``> lol.
[12:49] <isaac> Yes, yes it does, yoink
[12:49] <JaGWiRE``> hm.. i'm blind
[12:49] <JaGWiRE``> :D
[12:49] <holycow> yoink, just a bad skin ... and a bad toolkit they used
[12:50] <shinu> how can i make xfce the default window maker?
[12:50] <shinu> er... windows manager...
[12:50] <yoink> i like the super tiny windowshade mode tho
[12:50] <isaac> There isn't a xwmconfig in Ubuntu, right?
[12:50] <hendershot> has anyone been succesfull on builing all the e libraries for e17?
[12:50] <gahan> hmm, sudo doesnt accept my password, help:(
[12:51] <shinu> isaac: should i apt-get it if its not here?
[12:51] <tbird> hendershot, not for a long time
[12:51] <hendershot> tbird, a reason?
[12:51] <tbird> hendershot, yeah its borked
[12:51] <EvilSporkMan> under what package do I report bugs with the installer? it's telling me "The hardware clock says the time is now .", which is clearly a bug caused by failure to access the hardware clock.
[12:52] <hendershot> tbird, i don't understand borked? i built everything except the last library
[12:52] <tbird> hendershot, have you read at the enlightenment site ?
[12:52] <Burgundavia> EvilDork1, debian-installer I believe
[12:52] <hendershot> tbird, yes I have read the site, i didn't see anything regarding ubuntu
[12:53] <tbird> borked = not working
[12:53] <cusco> 1hi
[12:53] <cusco> what is the correct sintax
[12:53] <cusco> to zip a file
[12:53] <tbird> hendershot, heres a ubuntu link if you have not already seen it though  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20216
[12:53] <hendershot> oh tbird no i got the cvs version working fine i have an issue with one of the labs
[12:53] <cusco> actually... how do I zip a file?
[12:54] <Xenguy> cusco: zip name.zip file
[12:54] <tbird> hendershot, oh
[12:54] <Xenguy> cusco: 'man zip' doesn't hurt either :p
[12:55] <tbird> hendershot, read the readmes in the directorys they tell you if you need to do anything special
[12:55] <Sauron21> guys.....could anyone tell me how I can run a program that is in the wine "Program Files" folder.....it seemes that I cant get past the space between "Program" and "Files".....any suggestions?....
[12:55] <tbird> Sauron21,  use ""
[12:55] <Xenguy> Sauron21: use double quotes ?
[12:55] <Sauron21> ok
[12:55] <hendershot> tbird, thanks for the link, that is wonderful, my issue is building on of the libs and everyone in #E says that is must be an issue on my end and not with the code
[12:55] <gahan> 1027:gahan@ultra: ~]  sudo  w
[12:55] <gahan> Password:
[12:55] <gahan> Sorry, try again.
[12:55] <Xenguy> Sauron21: or backslash (aka 'escape') the space
[12:56] <hendershot> that is why i asked
[12:56] <tbird> oh well sorry i cannot be more help
[12:56] <Sauron21> thanks guys...:D
[12:57] <XTCboarder> anybody using shorewall?
[12:57] <Xappe> yes ;)
[12:57] <Xenguy> XTCboarder: yup
[12:58] <shinu> anyone can tell me how to set up xfce as default? :D
[12:58] <Xenguy> shinu: betcha that's a FAQ :-)
[12:58] <Xenguy> (don't know for sure tho)
[12:58] <djones> gahan, are you using the same user account you created during install?
[12:58] <shinu> Xenguy: uh... damnit :P
[12:59] <gahan> djones: i installed pkgs as root
[12:59] <Xenguy> shinu: I should shutup and let those who know answer :P
[12:59] <XTCboarder> i'm stupid i can't understand nothing :(
[12:59] <shinu> hehe :)
[12:59] <Xappe> XTCboarder: tell us more
[12:59] <XTCboarder> hah
[12:59] <darGor> someone 4 help me ?? how to use Ethereal in Ubuntu? i need root to use it. and ubuntu don't have root passwd...
[12:59] <Xenguy> XTCboarder: that doesn't really help us help you (and yer probably not stupid after all ;-)
[01:00] <djones> gahan, you mean you created a root account and then installed the packages?
[01:00] <isaac> Still need some guidance on my resolution issue
[01:00] <isaac> In the xorg.conf there's no 640x480 listed at all
[01:00] <kanuha> whats the command to reread fstab after an edit?
[01:00] <XTCboarder> i'm using eth0 for internet (dhcp) and eth1 to share my inet connection
[01:00] <gahan> djones: i did sid->hoary
[01:00] <XTCboarder> and
[01:00] <Xenguy> XTCboarder: go to the 'shorewall' home page and check out the 'quickstart' thingie
[01:00] <XTCboarder> i mean,  but i have blocked incoming connections on eth0
[01:01] <XTCboarder> so apache ain't working for the outsiders
[01:01] <XTCboarder> only in my home lan (eth1
[01:01] <XTCboarder> )
[01:01] <Xappe> XTCboarder: and install shorewall-doc
[01:01] <Xenguy> XTCboarder: are you using pppoe ?
[01:01] <XTCboarder> nope, eth0 is on dhcp
[01:01] <XTCboarder> eth0 = niternet
[01:01] <Xappe> XTCboarder: then you get example files you can just copy to the shorewall dir and edit
[01:01] <XTCboarder> i don't wanna use shorewall cause it's just a little tweak i need
[01:02] <XTCboarder> i just wanna use iptables.....
[01:02] <kanuha> whats the command for the system to reread fstab after an edit? fstab -a ?
[01:02] <Xenguy> XTCboarder: but what are you using for your net connection (if not pppoe) ?
[01:02] <br33zy> hey
[01:02] <XTCboarder> xenguy ita dsl modem that has dhcp
[01:02] <XTCboarder> no ppp
[01:03] <Xenguy> XTCboarder: OK, out of my realm then
[01:03] <XTCboarder> no, it's a thingie of iptables
[01:03] <XTCboarder> i was able to serve on windows
[01:03] <br33zy> im about to do a dual boot thingamijg ... I have windows on the big 120gb harddrive (its SATA), and hten I have an empty 20gb (IDE) which I plan to put linux on
[01:03] <nickrud> XTCboarder, all firewalls are iptables :)
[01:03] <XTCboarder> so the modem is not bloking connections
[01:03] <nickrud> shorewall and firestarter just write them for you.
[01:03] <br33zy> are there any special steps I shouyld tak eor will it automatically setup the GRUB config?
[01:03] <XTCboarder> i know but i dunno how to configure iptables
[01:03] <Xenguy> XTCboarder: I use shorewall (aka 'iptables made easy') because I don't want to f*ck with iptables :-)
[01:03] <nickrud> :)
[01:03] <XTCboarder> :(
[01:04] <fractalgfx> I just tried installing kubuntu, it failed at the set timezone, and I could not skip to the next step, any suggestions?
[01:04] <Xenguy> XTCboarder: also, I have DSL, but the connection method is pppoe
[01:04] <br33zy> im about to do a dual boot thingamijg ... I have windows on the big 120gb harddrive (its SATA), and hten I have an empty 20gb (IDE) which I plan to put linux on - are there any special steps I shouyld tak eor will it automatically setup the GRUB config?
[01:04] <nickrud> what I do (eth0 to dsl modem on dhcp) is
[01:04] <eric222> Hi all. I have an HP laptop.  The internal sound works fine, and if I plug in my USB Xitel HiFi-Link it also works (at least in XMMS).  My question, is there a way to make my default sound device the HiFi link when I plug it in?
[01:04] <fractalgfx> no usefull errors
[01:04] <XTCboarder> shorewall seems more compluicated
[01:04] <XTCboarder> than iptables right now :p
[01:04] <nickrud> copy the example files from /usr/share/doc/shore-wall and they work :)
[01:04] <XTCboarder> as i only have to do "let incoming packets on eth0 arrive"
[01:04] <Xappe> br33zy: just install and you should be fine
[01:05] <nickrud> there's a file you just drop the port number into to open it, simple.
[01:05] <camcorder> I got tar ball of an app, i want to make a dpkg packet and install it like that, but how?
[01:05] <br33zy> Xappe, k, just checking. .. thanks
[01:06] <nickrud> XTCboarder, I don't have shorewall installed, so the file location could be wrong.
[01:06] <isaac> No one have a clue on the 640x480 resolution on a PowerBook?
[01:06] <xerxes1358> will the programs that were added via APT added automatically to the gnome menu ?
[01:06] <yoink> any idea why mplayer plays a file but w/o audio or video...ie important stuff?
[01:06] <isaac> lack of drivers?
[01:07] <xerxes1358> isaac, why would you install linux on a powerbook
[01:07] <XplOzIon> hi
[01:07] <XplOzIon> what this error means? -> ERROR # 100 : There was an error in msttcorefonts acroread acroread-plugin libdvdcss2 gnomebaker gftp flashplayer-mozilla installation.
[01:07] <bassMonkey> Xerxes1358: why not?
[01:07] <XTCboarder> 'k so shorewall is the only option....
[01:07] <brian_> hi i just installed ubuntu, but the only screen resolution available to me is 640x480, how can I change this?
[01:07] <xerxes1358> bassMonkey, osX is by far superior to any linux out there
[01:07] <isaac> me too
[01:08] <XTCboarder> so i have to clean /etc/networking/interfaces and other config that i had so i can run shorewall?
[01:08] <randabis> yoink: amarok mostly
[01:08] <nickrud> no
[01:08] <randabis> oops
[01:08] <xerxes1358> isaac, brian_ you guys have ati or nvidia ?
[01:08] <bassMonkey> xerxes1358: A lot of people tend to disagree...
[01:08] <nickrud> shorewall works out of the box.
[01:08] <pussfeller> does rail install normally thru apt now?
[01:08] <pussfeller> rails
[01:08] <karl> if osX was really far superior, why would anyone run anything but?
[01:08] <karl> osx has some verys trong poitns
[01:08] <nickrud> All your other config stuff stays the same
[01:08] <karl> yech, very strong points
[01:08] <XTCboarder> nickrud but i already have configured stuff running.... so.....
[01:08] <xerxes1358> bassMonkey, if you like the os. I agree with you. But if you want to be productive osX is a winner
[01:08] <karl> but so does windows :)
[01:09] <nickrud> It'll recognize that, and work. That's the iptables working.
[01:09] <XTCboarder> as it reconfigures everything as far as i can see
[01:09] <XTCboarder> ah
[01:09] <XTCboarder> ok
[01:09] <randabis> karl: because macs are generally more expensive than PCs
[01:09] <brian_> it is not ati or nvidia, it is just an intel graphics controller
[01:09] <brrrt> hello all
[01:09] <runedude> Hey everyone.
[01:09] <nickrud> The default accepts only established incoming, and, if I remember right, icmp pings.
[01:10] <runedude> I use debian 3.1 or something, (sid) and I want to upgrade to ubuntu, is it possible to just do a sources.list and use the ubuntu ones and just apt-get update, upgrade? or do I have to get the CDs?
[01:10] <randabis> you should be able to just change your sources.list runedude
[01:10] <XTCboarder> nickrud and how do i restart the shorewall so it con configure stuff?
[01:11] <runedude> and that would upgrade everything to the ubuntu version?
[01:11] <bassMonkey> xerxes1358: I don't really know what you mean, I'm truly happy with my current ubuntu setup, and I don't really like osx
[01:11] <randabis> runedude: yes, it should do so
[01:11] <runedude> Ok, cool!
[01:11] <runedude> :) thanks alot, laters
[01:11] <brrrt> whats the best way to manage multiple users in a network so that users can logon on whatever machine they want?
[01:11] <nickrud> XTCboarder, it should start itself. Watch the install on the terminal, and it should say starting shorewall firewall.
[01:11] <carambol> how i install java in hoary?
[01:11] <karl> brrt, by being really really smart
[01:12] <nickrud> if it doesn't, then sudo /etc/init.d/shorewall  (start or stop)
[01:12] <carambol> which source i need?
[01:12] <karl> companies make lots of money selling you this as a solutoin with special hardware :)
[01:12] <xerxes1358> bassMonkey, just joined ubuntu like 5 minutes. cant tell yet :)
[01:12] <karl> brrt: mostly by setting home dirs to be an nfs mount by default
[01:12] <XTCboarder> nickrud
[01:13] <XTCboarder> but how do i re start it.....
[01:13] <Xappe> XTCboarder: you have to change an option in /etc/default/shorewall for it to start
[01:13] <bassMonkey> xerxes1358: =)
[01:13] <xerxes1358> brian_, stop pm!
[01:13] <nickrud> XTCboarder, restart :)
[01:13] <xerxes1358> brian_, :)
[01:13] <Xappe> XTCboarder: sudo shorewall restart
[01:13] <brrrt> karl: and how do i logon then, add users etc.?
[01:14] <xerxes1358> brian_, there is another guy I just helped he is testing it now, If it helped he will help you out again
[01:14] <XTCboarder> ahm... ok
[01:14] <gahan> how to get sudo to wrok?
[01:14] <gahan> work
[01:14] <brian_> ok
[01:15] <nickrud> Xappe, XTCboarder you really should use the init.d/shorewall, it's the 'debian' way :)
[01:15] <pixman> gahan, look in /etc/sudoers
[01:15] <pixman> there are examples what you've to put in
[01:15] <Xappe> nickrud: well, I do it the shrewall way ;)
[01:15] <pixman> +side
[01:15] <pixman> in the Wiki should be an entry too
[01:15] <gahan> pixman: i've edited it with visudo, and added gahan ALL=(ALL) ALL
[01:16] <gahan> pixman: however when i exec sudo w as gahan, it doesnt work
[01:16] <nickrud> Xappe, the reason I use debian is so I don't have to figure out what the 'shorewall' way is ;P
[01:16] <nickrud> ubuntu
[01:16] <carambol> plz how to install java in hoary?
[01:16] <brrrt> karl: what i want is a "central user management"
[01:16] <karl> carambol: the ubuntu wiki has how to do it,
[01:16] <karl> basically, download the java1.5 bin from sun
[01:16] <mainer> i use w.e. way is the easiest for Me!,lol
[01:16] <brrrt> karl: not just shared recources
[01:16] <Olsen> can i use hoary for nat/masquerading?
[01:16] <pixman> gahan, what doesn't work?
[01:16] <karl> and then use make-jpkg
[01:16] <gahan> pixman: i supply the right root password
[01:16] <pixman> gahan, what error do you get?
[01:17] <karl> brrrt: so, be very very clever.
[01:17] <Xappe> nickrud: well, as "shorewall" probably is linked to your command I don't see the difference
[01:17] <pixman> gahan, you've got to use the user password
[01:17] <karl> this is not a simple problem that you solve by throwing linux at it.
[01:17] <carambol> ok
[01:17] <gahan> pixman: aaaaaaaargh
[01:17] <karl> worked pretty painlessly,
[01:17] <mainer> olsen: yes,2.6.x kerels support it
[01:17] <pixman> gahan, that's because of a 'doubled security' ... doesn't seem logic first :)
[01:17] <karl> carambol, and I have a pretty low pain tolerance
[01:17] <pixman> gahan, working?
[01:17] <cyphase> hey
[01:17] <nickrud> Xappe, take a look at init.d/shorewall. It probably has wrappers around calling shorewall
[01:17] <Olsen> does hoary has iptables by default on it?
[01:17] <gahan> pixman: yes
[01:18] <pixman> gahan, the alternative is
[01:18] <holycow> brrrt, novell sells a directory server that does just this
[01:18] <pixman> fahan ALL=NOPASSWD: ALL
[01:18] <pixman> so you don't need to type the password
[01:18] <pixman> gahan, sorry ;)
[01:18] <holycow> brrrt, however i don't know whether or not it allows for roaming profiles
[01:18] <karl> MS sells AD for this too,
[01:18] <nickrud> But. linux is about choice :)
[01:18] <topyli> Olsen: no
[01:18] <karl> and offers extensive training programs about how to set it up
[01:18] <karl> it's really quite beyond irc :)
[01:19] <holycow> brrrt, presumably in a single office/building you can authenticate users via openldap and mount their home directories from network, but there are lots of possibilities
[01:19] <holycow> karl, except he is asking in linux channel, in which case ad is useless
[01:19] <gahan> pixman: ok thx
[01:19] <holycow> karl, and yes you are correct it is beyond irc
[01:19] <holycow> hehe
[01:20] <xerxes1358> will the programs that were added via APT added automatically to the gnome menu ?
[01:20] <Olsen> topyli: is on the hoary cd?
[01:20] <topyli> Olsen: sure, it's in the kernel of course :)
[01:21] <Olsen> ok
[01:21] <karl> holy: I was just mentioning AD as an example of how big the "solution" can be, not really suggesting he use it :)
[01:21] <Olsen> damn i never did nat/masquerading and i need to do now
[01:21] <Olsen> what can i do? :S
[01:21] <holycow> karl, *nod*
[01:21] <XTCboarder> 
[01:21] <XTCboarder> no i can't see my server from homelan
[01:21] <topyli> Olsen: install firestarter, it's perhaps the easiest way to do it
[01:21] <XplOzIon> mooooo
[01:21] <topyli> Olsen: it has a nice wizard to do it
[01:21] <Olsen> ok
[01:22] <topyli> Olsen: you're just trying to share the internet connection?
[01:23] <Olsen> yes
[01:23] <karl> just get a home router/ap
[01:23] <karl> much less pain, much less power, much less space under the table
[01:23] <topyli> Olsen: ok, firestarter is the way to go
[01:23] <brrrt> holycow: well, i think i will try the openldap way, thanks for pointing me at least to any direction :)
[01:23] <Olsen> karl: is not for me
[01:24] <Olsen> is firestarter on the repository?
[01:24] <jcole> i forgot, how do i exit a for loop?
[01:24] <Olsen> synaptic
[01:24] <djones> gahn, how did you edit your sudoers without sudo?
[01:24] <topyli> Olsen: have you enabled the universe repository?
[01:24] <Olsen> i did once with iptables and slackware 10 but i can't remember the iptables line
[01:24] <karl> sudo visudoers
[01:24] <Olsen> damn it
[01:24] <jcole> exit for?
[01:25] <holycow> brrrt, another option is if you guys are in a single office type of situation, to setup thin clients ... that way all the files are on the server, and any user can go to any machine and just access their account and apps remotely.  unix really does this well
[01:25] <djones> thin clients... yum
[01:25] <karl> lots and lots of approaches, mostly dependent on your specific situation,
[01:25] <karl> all with pros and cons
[01:25] <holycow> very much so
[01:25] <brrrt> sounds nice, but how about performance?
[01:26] <karl> that's why it's up to you to evaulate your requirements brrt :)
[01:26] <karl> for some people completely dumb terms are perfectly adequate perf wise
[01:26] <karl> for others, they'r enot
[01:26] <karl> got money? get sunrays
[01:26] <topyli> brrrt: that's pretty much up to the server, and the number of simultaneous client logins
[01:26] <holycow> *ew*
[01:27] <holycow> as much as i love sun, i hate their products :)
[01:27] <holycow> hehehe
[01:27] <brrrt> well there wont be a budget for a fat server...
[01:27] <XTCboarder> xappe
[01:27] <XTCboarder> can u help me a little bit here?
[01:27] <XTCboarder> i can't reach this computer using it's hostname now (underverse) only using the ip
[01:28] <XTCboarder> (this is from home lan)
[01:28] <topyli> brrrt: the load of another client login is not that much, if your server is just a high-end PC
[01:28] <Xappe> XTCboarder: yes?
[01:28] <topyli> brrrt: after all, users are idle most of the time
[01:29] <holycow> topyli, with the new dual core cpus ... it may even easy to build a very very robust machine
[01:29] <holycow> a dual system with dual core amd64 cpus?
[01:29] <holycow> that should rock majourly :)
[01:29] <topyli> hehe
[01:29] <holycow> i wouldn't mind benchmarking that
[01:29] <topyli> sure, you could run xchat on a few clients then
[01:29] <XTCboarder> and i was able to before i ran shorewall
[01:29] <brrrt> maybe i should read some docs about NIS and so on...
[01:29] <Xappe> hmm
[01:30] <XTCboarder> how do i activate or fix this
[01:30] <holycow> lol one cpu per xchat session should be enough for anyone >_>
[01:30] <XTCboarder> !
[01:30] <topyli> holycow: that reminds me of something very eery :)
[01:30] <holycow> brrrt, well as karl said, you have lots of work ahead of you, sorry no off the shelf soulution per se ... yet.
[01:30] <Xappe> XTCboarder: you've checked all the config files?
[01:31] <XTCboarder> yeah
[01:31] <holycow> brrrt, i'm working on first moving us to linux, then working on putting out linux workstations, thin clients, an entire stack eventually
[01:31] <XTCboarder> i don't know where to activate dns in the config files
[01:31] <karl> apt-get install reconfiguremynetworkformethewayiwantitokplzthx
[01:31] <mainer> xtcboarder: read the man doc,or read the config file in /etc/shorewall
[01:31] <Burgundavia> karl, lol
[01:31] <holycow> topyli, yeah on windows the dual cores will be extremely usefull, one core for spyware another for antispyware software
[01:31] <XTCboarder> and i can't reach stuff from wnidows neither
[01:31] <holycow> topyli, they will beautifully cancel each other out without lag
[01:32] <holycow> karl, hehe :) nice
[01:32] <Xappe> XTCboarder: you have to open ports and so on I guess
[01:32] <karl> but now I'm just an unemployed bum
[01:32] <ctrlER> does annyone know a nice app for mp3 managing?
[01:32] <karl> mv, cp, ls
[01:32] <holycow> karl, unemployed and bum are both good things in some instances
[01:32] <holycow> :)
[01:33] <karl> http://beeroclock.net/highlife.cgi
[01:33] <topyli> holycow: and the user gets what's left of the RAM: the 64k that was promised
[01:33] <clynx> hmm ... hi .. i've a small problem with my x server under ubuntu ...
[01:33] <JaGWiRE`> Hey, I just sucessfully installed ubuntu on my notebook and this is the first distro that worked with wireless 2100 out of the box.
[01:33] <holycow> topyli, rofl >_>
[01:33] <XTCboarder> but, i can reach stuff outside my home lan from the other computers...
[01:33] <holycow> topyli, i think that was the plan all along
[01:33] <JaGWiRE`> I am very pleased, but hate gnome. Is there any easy way to get KDE on here?
[01:33] <djm62> ctrlER: what do you mean by "management"?
[01:33] <XTCboarder> oh, but they are using outside dns....
[01:33] <holycow> JaGWiRE`, apt-get install kubuntu ... or kde or something like that
[01:34] <clynx> i cannot change my resolution to any higher resolution greater than 640x480 ... anyone any idea how to fix that?
[01:34] <topyli> JaGWiRE`: apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[01:34] <Burgundavia> JaGWiRE`, install kubuntu-desktop
[01:34] <XTCboarder> ! i know what to do ;D
[01:34] <JaGWiRE`> in terminal?
[01:34] <smouche> JaGWiRE -- install kubuntu-desktop
[01:34] <topyli> or synaptic if you like clicking stuff :)
[01:34] <holycow> clynx, you need to change the vertical and horizontal refresh rates in  your /etc/x11/xorg.config file to match the ones for your monitor
[01:34] <smouche> that's the metapackage that will give you kde
[01:34] <holycow> clynx, also in there change the resolutions to ones you want
[01:34] <mainer> jagwire:  www.ubuntuguide.org   www.kubuntu.org
[01:35] <holycow> clynx, then restart x and you should have all the possible resolutions available to chosse from under system / preferences for that monitor
[01:35] <floo> can anyone tell me why my apps take so long to load?
[01:35] <ctrlER> djm62, in windows i used explorer and organize stuff bi folders, in linux there isnt anny file manager good enough for that
[01:35] <smouche> JaGWiRE -- you can also try irc #kubuntu
[01:35] <mainer> the meta-package is kubuntu-desktop
[01:35] <JaGWiRE`> Omg.
[01:35] <JaGWiRE`> I dunno what password I made for root..
[01:35] <JaGWiRE`> :(
[01:35] <karl> that's cos you didn't
[01:35] <clynx> holycow, thanks ... but i've tried that ...
[01:35] <XTCboarder> ! but i dunno wjhere to do it xD
[01:35] <holycow> floo open up system monitor and check whether or not your cpu is maxed out for some reason
[01:35] <djm62> ctrlER: well, that answers your question, I guess :-/
[01:35] <holycow> clynx, and?
[01:35] <karl> ctrler: there's file manager,
[01:35] <karl> which is ok
[01:35] <floo> ok
[01:35] <smouche> JaGWiRE -- just use your regular user password with sudo
[01:35] <JaGWiRE`> hmm karl?
[01:36] <karl> but you're right, none of them are as convenient as windows explorer
[01:36] <ctrlER> djm62, so i was thinkin in using something itunes like
[01:36] <clynx> the modes seems to be correct, and the refresh rates seems to be correct, too
[01:36] <JaGWiRE`> sudo??
[01:36] <camcorder> how can I change defalt viewer from nano to vi?
[01:36] <djm62> what's the windows file manager got?
[01:36] <karl> like we said, you just installed, and you don't know your root password
[01:36] <holycow> clynx, well there are no modes actually, those are calculated automatically, i think you mean resolutions
[01:36] <floo> no it's not using more than 5% usage
[01:36] <karl> it's probably because you didn't set one.
[01:36] <smouche> JaGWiRE -- yes, sudo -- an explanation is available on www.ubuntuguide.org
[01:36] <karl> djm62: umm, it works smoothly and consistently?
[01:36] <JaGWiRE`> aite.
[01:36] <holycow> clynx, *hmmm* hard to say, what driver are you using? vesa? nv?
[01:37] <ctrlER> CarlK, but it doesent have : right cklick enque in winamp
[01:37] <karl> yes, you can set that up,
[01:37] <holycow> floo, okay all apps start slow?
[01:37] <karl> but linux is still only just getting to that sort atual usefullness
[01:37] <nickrud> camcorder to change for all users, sudo update-alternatives --config editor
[01:37] <karl> be glad you have ubuntu
[01:37] <smouche> JaGWiRE -- avoid setting a password for root! just use sudo.
[01:37] <floo> yes
[01:37] <clynx> tdfx (it's a voodoo 4 4500 ... )
[01:37] <karl> which is actually the smartest most helpful one I've used
[01:37] <ctrlER> karl, i dont use gnome
[01:37] <djm62> ah
[01:37] <ctrlER> and i hate nautilus, too flashy
[01:37] <JaGWiRE`> alright, i created root
[01:37] <JaGWiRE`> thanks for guide
[01:38] <djm62> badly...gnome's file manager is pretty capable...especially with mp3 preview
[01:38] <karl> well, it's all crap then isn't it :)
[01:38] <holycow> karl, allow me to help you rephrase that " karl but linux is still only just getting polished for joe six pack to use"
[01:38] <holycow> :_
[01:38] <holycow> -_-
[01:38] <ctrlER> djm62, it consumes too mouch resources
[01:38] <karl> no, it's not even close to joe six pack,sorry
[01:38] <holycow> ctrlER, rofl, you consider nautilus flashy?
[01:38] <djm62> ctrlER: sounds relative ;)
[01:38] <holycow> hahaha :)
[01:38] <karl> it's getting pretty good for james chardonnay
[01:38] <holycow> thats trully funny
[01:38] <Larre> I need help with k3b. Burning data-cd's works just fine, but when i am trying to burn audio-cd's (wav files) is just says "Sending CUE sheet" then nothing more happens. Any ideas?
[01:38] <karl> but it's not ready for joe six pack yet
[01:38] <Jet2k5> Hello guys
[01:38] <Jet2k5> can someone here help me?
[01:38] <clynx> hmm .. should the refresh rates should be stored under the section "Monitor"?
[01:38] <holycow> karl, james chardonay? hahaha!
[01:38] <Jet2k5> a sorta dumb, and quick question
[01:38] <ctrlER> holycow, thats my opinion
[01:39] <smouche> more like jimmie amphetamine, if you ask me...
[01:39] <holycow> karl, i think it is, as long as j6 buys for linux like he buys for a mac ... supported hardware only
[01:39] <JaGWiRE`> k, getting kubuntu with the apt-get
[01:39] <benz240> what is the easiest way to move all my emails in Outlook 2003 to Gmail?
[01:39] <karl> well, its even further from that :)
[01:39] <djm62> I've never met any of these quasipharmaeutical gents...
[01:39] <ctrlER> holycow, it dosent users my 1400X1050 resolution correctly, everything is too big
[01:39] <karl> cos joe six pack goes to frys and buys a comptuer
[01:39] <karl> and then he never touches it.
[01:39] <fisken> SeamusLP, thanks, it was the CD as you said :)
[01:39] <holycow> ctrlER, you mean icons?
[01:40] <ctrlER> holycow, yup
[01:40] <holycow> ctrl system / preferences / file management
[01:40] <JaGWiRE`> Hey.
[01:40] <holycow> change the size and other setting defaults in there
[01:40] <Jet2k5> I'll just go ahead and ask
[01:40] <ctrlER> holycow, i know its configurable, but it still is has a very big footprint
[01:40] <Jet2k5> I'm trying to install ubuntu on my comp, but this time my router has a WEP key
[01:40] <holycow> ctrlER, system / preferences / fonts also is usefull for that
[01:40] <JaGWiRE`> How do I assign spare buttons on my notebook something. Oh, and how do I adjust brightness / sound (on battery on a notebook)
[01:40] <Jet2k5> and ubuntu is saying that my network doesn't have dhcp
[01:41] <holycow> ctrlER, oh you mean ram? well *nod* ti has a lot of features, also nautilus is what draws the desktop and panels so yes
[01:41] <ctrlER> i like something in the likes of mc but for x
[01:41] <djm62> ctrlER: it's the usual trade-off...time vs space
[01:41] <ctrlER> holycow, i dont need it to draw my desktop, im using openbox
[01:41] <djm62> I've used gnome2 on 64M and it wasn't pretty...just usable
[01:41] <ctrlER> and dont use desktop incons
[01:41] <holycow> ctrlER, well what you can do is tell gnome not to use nautilus to draw the panels and background, and just not use nautilus and use something else. not sure if you can uninstall it
[01:41] <JaGWiRE`> I'm curious, because this distrubution is only useful to me if I can adjust brightness / sound on my notebook.
[01:41] <ctrlER> *icons
[01:42] <Jet2k5> fg
[01:42] <karl> jagwire,
[01:42] <holycow> ctrlER, oh! :) k. in that case i see! hehe cool
[01:42] <karl> see if you can use the sleep or suspend first!
[01:42] <djm62> ctrlER: if you insist on a custom set-up, you have no right to complain to anyone else
[01:42] <JaGWiRE`> Oh, will in a sec.
[01:42] <JaGWiRE`> Just getting kde.
[01:42] <karl> try it now
[01:42] <JaGWiRE`> But it's dling from net.
[01:42] <JaGWiRE`> I know what suspend does.
[01:42] <karl> it's a LOT harder to get working :)
[01:42] <JaGWiRE`> Is it a cmd in terminal or when I try to shutdown (haven't used linux before)
[01:43] <karl> yeah, but for me for instance, I can't do it with my wireless turned on.
[01:43] <djm62> JaGWiRE`: when you log out, it should be an option
[01:43] <ctrlER> holycow, djm62, karl, but do you know some nifty app for mp3 playing and managing?
[01:43] <karl> or it locks up and needs to be power cycled
[01:43] <djm62> ctrlER: are you avoiding gtk2 entirely?
[01:43] <JaGWiRE`> Karl, im on wireless.
[01:43] <karl> ctrler: no, I'd like somethingn as quick and snappy as windows explorer, and I haven't found it yet.
[01:43] <JaGWiRE`> Did you have to say that?
[01:43] <karl> yes :)
[01:43] <karl> I told you,
[01:43] <JaGWiRE`> Anyway Karl, I have a switch on my notebook to turn off wireless which does work.
[01:43] <JaGWiRE`> So that should save me?
[01:43] <Jet2k5> fff
[01:43] <karl> you might have more important concerns than sound and volume :)
[01:43] <JaGWiRE`> I tested the switch earlier, and it did disable wireless =).
[01:43] <ctrlER> djm62, nop, just use openbox bu use gtk2 apps
[01:43] <djm62> then again, I'm on wireless and it works fine
[01:43] <karl> jag: maybe :)
[01:44] <JaGWiRE`> I figured out sound.
[01:44] <JaGWiRE`> Just wanna figure out laptop brightness and suspend
[01:44] <runedude> hey, I just removed all things related to Gnome, and wanted to reinstall Gnome (alot of my settings were messed).. how do I reinstall gnome?
[01:44] <JaGWiRE`> Then I think nix is my new os
[01:44] <holycow> karl, explorer isn't fast, it just has a caching feature, nautilus will be as fast when the cahcing daemon is finished/released/ifever
[01:44] <karl> system->prefs-keyboard shorcuts for the sound?
[01:44] <JaGWiRE`> :)
[01:44] <djm62> ctrlER: rhythmbox with gstreamer0.8 mp3 plugin
[01:44] <karl> that's what I did.
[01:44] <runedude> And when I try apt-get install gnome, it just gives me a list of dependencies
[01:44] <karl> holycow: that's nice, but I want something today :)
[01:44] <karl> linux is alwasy better "tomorrow"
[01:44] <holycow> karl, haha, so is windows
[01:44] <djm62> Karl: windows has already been released...enjoy the malware ;)
[01:44] <ctrlER> djm62, thats just ugly, lol, and it has lots of sh*t i dont need, like all that ipod stuff
[01:45] <djm62> ctrlER: LOL <sigh>
[01:45] <Larre> The kdelibs package is broken in hoary. Is the dev team working on it?
[01:45] <frank__> Larre, you can workaround it
[01:45] <runedude> hey, I just removed all things related to Gnome, and wanted to reinstall Gnome (alot of my settings were messed).. how do I reinstall gnome? when I do apt-get install gnome it just gives me a list of other things I need to install before I install gnome...
[01:45] <djm62> ctrlER: that's what I use, it works...I usually manage to avoid clicking on the ipod icon, somehow
[01:45] <JaGWiRE`> LOL djm62
[01:45] <smouche> rhythmbox and amarok both -- I hate these media apps that want to "organize" my music directories.
[01:45] <ctrlER> djm62, i loved an kde app called ar.. something, but it was soooo sloooow
[01:46] <ctrlER> amarok thats it
[01:46] <ctrlER> really slow
[01:46] <djm62> ctrlER: script your own, if you're on such low resources :-/
[01:46] <frank__> Larre, uninstall knetworkconfig (or whatever the conflict is) install kdelibs-data then reinstall knetworkconf
[01:46] <ctrlER> and that preview stuff with the album art... does annyone needs that
[01:46] <holycow> smouche, rofl, i agree.  i never understood 'media organizing' ... i setup some folders, and done.  wtf is the big deal? *shrug*
[01:46] <Larre> frank__, thanks, ill try. Wait here.
[01:47] <ctrlER> djm62, im in ee not computer science
[01:47] <djm62> ctrlER: you mean to say *you* don't need that
[01:47] <karl> EE all the way!
[01:47] <xerxes1358> what is the command for giving a listing for the currently running daemons with the corresponding run levels ?
[01:47] <bluefoxicy> http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=48002  So much for OOo having the best MS Word filter ever
[01:47] <ctrlER> holycow, agree with yoy
[01:47] <bluefoxicy> seems like AbiWord does a better job
[01:47] <ctrlER> djm62, im also a dj too... and i dont need that...
[01:47] <ctrlER> amarok its just not configurable
[01:47] <karl> you know where the music is god damnit,  just damn well play it.
[01:48] <karl> xmms and the j key
[01:48] <djm62> ctrlER: scripting is scripting...I don't go anywhere near computer science
[01:48] <ctrlER> j key?
[01:48] <ctrlER> karl, what do you mean?
[01:48] <chiddy> runedude, try sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[01:48] <karl> jump,
[01:48] <runedude> ok
[01:48] <karl> just load the whole tree,
[01:48] <karl> and then press j to go to a file, with incremental seach of tags
[01:49] <karl> and you can even just queue from there too.
[01:49] <ctrlER> djm62, but i olly know c, vb, and pascal
[01:49] <frank__> Larre, hope it works but I gotta go
[01:49] <karl> you only need to know C
[01:49] <bignose-ork> frank__: learn python
[01:49] <karl> everything else comes after
[01:49] <smouche> last time I used winamp it "organized" my windows box to such an insane degree, I was afraid to open that app ever again.
[01:49] <ctrlER> but "hello world" like...
[01:49] <djm62> ctrlER: I'm sure bash isn't forever beyond you ;)
[01:49] <bignose-ork> frank__: and you will thus come to learn a lot about more advanced programming techniques
[01:49] <karl> c, perl, python, all good things.
[01:50] <bignose-ork> I'd say: learn python first, then C
[01:50] <karl> depends what you want to write :)
[01:50] <djm62> "zinf" is an ok lightish media app
[01:50] <runedude> chiddy: it says alot of dependencies are needed
[01:50] <bignose-ork> python teaches *good* programming habits, and gets you a very long way
[01:50] <karl> for EE people, C is much more useful
[01:50] <frank__> bignose-ork, what are you talking abouit?
[01:50] <karl> no, you can write horrible code in python quite well thank you bignose
[01:50] <ctrlER> in linux, (im a newbie) i can tell that all that phyton and other languages are just plain slow
[01:50] <bignose-ork> all the other "standard" languages make bad programming too easy :-)
[01:50] <ctrlER> all the apps i have in c are soo fast
[01:51] <JaGWiRE`> k.
[01:51] <JaGWiRE`> Just installed kde.
[01:51] <ctrlER> phyton and stuff is just slow...
[01:51] <JaGWiRE`> Reboot for efefct to be changed?
[01:51] <runedude> chiddy: www.fluxirc.com/log.txt
[01:51] <bignose-ork> ctrlER: if "fast" is your only criterion, sure.
[01:51] <Larre> frank__, it worked! Thank you!
[01:51] <djm62> night all...
[01:51] <chiddy> runedude, ubuntu-desktop relies on all of the packages required for gnome.. the only thing i can recommend for a good install of gnome is to install that and then go back and remove stuff you don't need
[01:51] <bignose-ork> ctrlER: most programs have other priorities above "be fast".
[01:51] <ctrlER> bignose-ork, and in EE i need a low level language
[01:51] <bignose-ork> frank__: what part are you having trouble with?
[01:52] <ctrlER> (dont know how to express it better, im not english)
[01:52] <karl> yeah, python doesn't really do volatile void * very well.
[01:52] <runedude> chiddy: but i want to install all those dependencies by default
[01:52] <bignose-ork> ctrlER: a high level language is also useful, for fast prototyping
[01:52] <karl> bignose: if you have skills, you don't need to to prototype
[01:52] <ctrlER> what do u mean by fast prototyping?
[01:52] <karl> you design on paper, the way you should anyway
[01:52] <nickrud> runedude, you just want your window-manager?
[01:52] <bignose-ork> ctrlER: i.e. write something very quickly that works, so you can test your design
[01:53] <runedude> nickrud: i want the desktop too, and all the programs that come w/ it.
[01:53] <bignose-ork> ctrlER: then make it fast after you know it will work
[01:53] <ctrlER> ahh, ic
[01:53] <karl> yes, but doing memory mapped IO is kinda difficult in python :)
[01:53] <karl> the concept is very sound,
[01:53] <ctrlER> well, im not in *that* level of knowledge
[01:53] <nickrud> then you get all the dependencies :)
[01:53] <CountDown> where is win32codecs kept these days?
[01:54] <chiddy> runedude, try sudo apt-get --reinstall install ubuntu-desktop
[01:54] <runedude> ok
[01:54] <djm62> if you have any skills, you have more than one strategy to solve problems
[01:54] <chiddy> nickrud, but that text file he has syas that the dependencies aren't going to be installed
[01:54] <bignose-ork> indeed
[01:54] <mindmedic> CountDown, in the marillat repository :)
[01:54] <nickrud> runedude, ?
[01:54] <runedude> chiddy: same thing
[01:54] <ctrlER> but back to topic (my topic) i think that linux really needs something like explorer...
[01:54] <bignose-ork> impressive programmers are impressive not because of their deep skill with *one* tool
[01:54] <runedude> nickrud: lol... i have to type them all in?
[01:54] <bignose-ork> but because they have a wide range of tools and skills
[01:54] <chiddy> runedude, if that doesn't work you might be missing something in your sources.list can you post /etc/apt/sources.list?
[01:54] <djm62> ctrlER: gmc? rox-filer
[01:54] <xerxes1358> can no one answer my question here ?
[01:54] <nickrud> no, no, just gimme 3
[01:54] <CountDown> don't you mean 5|<1LL2 ?
[01:54] <sysop> Just finished setting up and installing my AMD64 system with Ubuntu64...all I can say is WOW!! :-)
[01:54] <xerxes1358> what is the command for giving a listing for the currently running daemons with the corresponding run levels ?
[01:54] <nickrud> the biggies
[01:54] <ctrlER> i spend way to much time organizing my music in folders...
[01:55] <CountDown> mindmedic: Thanks.  I'll look for it.
[01:55] <mindmedic> its in the ubuntu wiki :9
[01:55] <ctrlER> djm62, gmc? i tried rox
[01:55] <smouche> hmmm -- well I still dislike the concept, but for what it does, I gotta say amarok does it damn well!
[01:55] <bignose-ork> xerxes1358: no such direct mapping exists in Unix
[01:55] <thegreedyturtle> ctrlER: that's what you deserve for swiping gigs of music off the 'net ;)
[01:55] <djm62> ctrlER: gnome midnight commander...might be up your street
[01:55] <bignose-ork> xerxes1358: check the /etc/rcN.d/ directory for your current runlevel N
[01:56] <bignose-ork> xerxes1358: check 'sudo netstat -ap' for running network processes
[01:56] <runedude> chiddy: http://69.64.40.89/sources.txt
[01:56] <thegreedyturtle> xerxes1358: ps -a
[01:56] <bignose-ork> xerxes1358: the correspondence is up to you
[01:56] <ctrlER> djm62, ill try that
[01:56] <djm62> ctrlER: or even just midnight commander in terminal...always going to be faster than manipulating a mouse to edit essentially textual data
[01:56] <bignose-ork> mmmm, midnight commander
[01:56] <thegreedyturtle> xerxes1358: sorry, ps -A, but i don't think that helps you with run levels
[01:57] <karl> xtree gold
[01:57] <xerxes1358> bignose-ork, there exist such a thing in FreeBSD (which is a fully unix os)
[01:57] <djm62> less friendly, but faster...
[01:57] <ctrlER> djm62, problem with mc is i cant get it to open videos and go back to the mc, it stays in console...
[01:57] <xerxes1358> bignose-ork, gentoo has it too btw: rc-status -a thanks btw
[01:57] <cyphase> It's a strange world
[01:57] <bignose-ork> xerxes1358: I'm not sure what you want to see.  the daemons running may not have anything to do with the runlevel start/stops, so what is it you want such a tool to show you?
[01:58] <ctrlER> i cant apt-get install gmc
[01:58] <chiddy> runedude, are you using hoary or warty?
[01:58] <ctrlER> :(
[01:58] <JaGWiRE`> WTF? Just installed kubunte with the apt-get install cmd or whatever was told to me, I rebooted, it logged in with the kubuntu thing, but now i'm back in gnome on desktop, etc.
[01:58] <JaGWiRE`> hmm?
[01:58] <djm62> I used to just use fluxbox with zsh and _mad_completion_skillz_ for my file management
[01:58] <xerxes1358> bignose-ork, suppose I add sshd to boot level how do I this in ubunto ? In gentoo it is like this: rc-update add sshd boot
[01:58] <karl> djm:  heh,
[01:58] <bignose-ork> JaGWiRE`: do the thing to the other thing.
[01:58] <karl> I'm moving from windows purely for a proper shell ;)
[01:58] <JaGWiRE`> ?
[01:58] <djm62> when I was short on RAM and CPU
[01:58] <ctrlER> _mad_completion_skillz?
[01:58] <bignose-ork> JaGWiRE`: or do you have some more specific detail of what you did?
[01:58] <JaGWiRE`> Uhh..
[01:59] <JaGWiRE`> Typed the cmd.. clciked y..
[01:59] <xerxes1358> karl, ever heard of cygwin ? :)
[01:59] <JaGWiRE`> Selected kde as default dm.
[01:59] <bignose-ork> JaGWiRE`: typed what command?
[01:59] <ctrlER> fluxbox in my laptop takes forever to load and cpu goes to 100
[01:59] <cyphase> It's a strange world when the three most powerful people in the US are called Dick, Bush, and Rice
[01:59] <chiddy> runedude: if your using hoary, comment out the two warty lines at the bottom of the file
[01:59] <runedude> chiddy: hoary
[01:59] <karl> cd /cygdrive/d/fuckoffthat'sapaininthearse
[01:59] <ctrlER> but i love openbox
[01:59] <runedude> gotcha
[01:59] <djm62> ctrlER: programmable tab completion...you type "madplay "<tab> and it only shows you media files
[01:59] <bignose-ork> xerxes1358: 'man update-rc.d'
[01:59] <karl> I have zsh and unxutils and all sorts of things, and it's generally bearable,
[01:59] <JaGWiRE`> Um... Rebooted, got some errors where it replaced some number shit (i think it was for kde), then it automatically rebooted and I was in kubuntu login screeen.
[01:59] <runedude> chiddy: ok, should it sshould work now?
[01:59] <nickrud> JaGWiRE`, you need to select your session at the login screen
[01:59] <xerxes1358> bignose-ork, yes, thats what I wanted. thanks
[02:00] <JaGWiRE`> So log out?
[02:00] <runedude> nope, still wants all those dependencies
[02:00] <bignose-ork> xerxes1358: np
[02:00] <djm62> combine that with smart globbing and it's pretty nice...the trick is getting a nice .zshrc (IE borrow and adapt one)
[02:00] <ctrlER> djm62, my main problem with file managers is the search funtion... they dont have it...
[02:00] <chiddy> also not sure about this but change lines that look like this deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted to deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary main restricted (so there is a slash after the last part of the URL)
[02:00] <CountDown> mindmedic: Hm.  I added deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat unstable main to /etc/apt/sources.list, updated, and tried to install win32codecs, but apt says it can't find the package.
[02:00] <nickrud> yup, you can choose either kde or gnome on the login screen.
[02:00] <djm62> ctrlER: what sort of search option?
[02:00] <chiddy> runedude: also not sure about this but change lines that look like this deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted to deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary main restricted (so there is a slash after the last part of the URL)
[02:00] <ctrlER> explorer like...
[02:01] <runedude> chiddy:
[02:01] <runedude> maybe i should apt-setup ?
[02:01] <XTCboarder> ;D
[02:01] <djm62> ctrlER: I haven't used windows for a few years....I remember it grinding away at disks
[02:01] <XTCboarder> it's working!
[02:01] <chiddy> i'm not sure what that is, but have you done sudo apt-get update
[02:01] <runedude> yes
[02:01] <ctrlER> grinding away? dont understand... sorry (im portuguese)
[02:01] <runedude> chiddy: i have.
[02:02] <CountDown> ctrlER: Constantly accessing the disk.
[02:02] <bignose-ork> ctrlER: thrashing; accessing too much
[02:02] <chiddy> runedude, that is very strange then...
[02:02] <djm62> it seems to search through all of the files and makes noise and slowly brings up a list
[02:02] <bignose-ork> ctrlER: thus making a grinding noise :-)
[02:02] <runedude> chiddy: yep
[02:02] <djm62> like "find" on nix
[02:02] <JaGWiRE`> Alright, now i'm in kde.
[02:02] <djm62> and unlike "locate" on nix
[02:02] <JaGWiRE`> How do I suspend, or hibernate in windows terms?
[02:02] <runedude> chiddy: hmm..
[02:02] <runedude> im wondering whats wrong
[02:02] <CountDown> JaGWiRE`: what kind of computer are you using?  graphics card?
[02:03] <JaGWiRE`> A sony z1rap notebook.
[02:03] <chiddy> runedude, apt-setup is just a way to add sources to your sources.list
[02:03] <JaGWiRE`> A 16 mbit ati mobility piece of crap.
[02:03] <JaGWiRE`> Centrino chipset, 1.5 ghz pentium m dothian I beleive.
[02:03] <runedude> chiddy: but, maybe i should clear my file, then redo the sources.list
[02:03] <ubuntu> ...
[02:03] <CountDown> JaGWiRE`: Do you know which driver your graphics card is using?
[02:04] <JaGWiRE`> No clue to be honest.
[02:04] <chiddy> runedude, you could try that but not sure how far it would really get you
[02:04] <CountDown> JaGWiRE`: Look in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[02:04] <JaGWiRE`> Anyway to save xchat login settings? getting sick of re-typing em, lol.
[02:04] <djm62> hmm...gnome find isn't much better :-/
[02:05] <XTCboarder> xappe shorewall starts on boot?
[02:05] <JaGWiRE`> In linux look = cd and then ls?
[02:05] <CountDown> djm62: Did you try locate?
[02:05] <runedude> chiddy: maybe if i install Xfree first
[02:05] <CountDown> Jafar: Kind of.
[02:05] <chiddy> well if your using hoary xorg should be installed
[02:05] <runedude> chiddy: i uninstallled it for awhile
[02:05] <holycow> JaGWiRE`, they should be saved automatically.   be sure to CLOSE XCHAT MANUALLY before loggin gout. if you log out before xchat closes, xchat will be terminated before ti has a chance to write to the config file in  your home directory
[02:05] <djm62> CountDown: yeah, I'm familiar with both find and locate...I was wondering if gnome find file used inotify or anything nice like that
[02:06] <CountDown> Jafar: type "less /etc/X11/xorg.conf"
[02:06] <chiddy> runedude, in that case you should install xorg
[02:06] <runedude> apt-get install xorg?
[02:06] <JaGWiRE`> k.
[02:06] <djm62> but it looks like they're keeping it dumb until  the mono stuff comes in
[02:06] <JaGWiRE`> Now, letme cd and ls /etc
[02:06] <CountDown> djm62: Can't help you there.  Does GNOME desktop use inotify to update icons?
[02:06] <nickrud> djm62, there's a package called gnome-find, gtk1, but I is pretty complete
[02:06] <JaGWiRE`> oh, can't cd there, it's .conf
[02:07] <nickrud> s/I/is
[02:07] <nickrud> eh
[02:07] <chiddy> runedude, i think its sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg
[02:07] <runedude> meh, k
[02:07] <JaGWiRE`> Wheres file manager in ubuntu?
[02:07] <CountDown> JaGWiRE`: You don't need to cd, just type the whole path like I did.
[02:07] <djm62> nickrud: ?
[02:07] <holycow> JaGWiRE`, places / home / desktop
[02:07] <holycow> JaGWiRE`, that opens up nautilus, the default file manager
[02:08] <XTCboarder> does shorewall start on boot?
[02:08] <XTCboarder> !!
[02:08] <darcy> hi, first time ubuntu user.
[02:08] <XTCboarder> hi darcy
[02:08] <holycow> hi darcy
[02:08] <darcy> hi XTC
[02:08] <CountDown> word.
[02:08] <JaGWiRE`> Places / home?
[02:08] <JaGWiRE`> Huh, wheres that?
[02:08] <JaGWiRE`> :D
[02:08] <djm62> nickrud: I'm testing the default "Find Files" dialogue to see if it searches in my .sxw files...doesn't seem to
[02:08] <CountDown> JaGWiRE`: Sure.
[02:08] <nickrud> jumped in, did't read back enough :) beagle is when I switch :)
[02:08] <holycow> JaGWiRE`, are you using gnome? right next to applications top left
[02:08] <JaGWiRE`> No, kde.
[02:08] <darcy> ubuntu on an iBook G4 is a good match. Couldn't get other distros to work well.
[02:09] <djm62> nickrud: yeah...can't get it to compile usefully on hoary :-/
[02:09] <holycow> JaGWiRE`, oh, thats konqueror then, not sure wher ein the kde menu it's found
[02:09] <djm62> darcy: how well? sound/airport?
[02:09] <frankgrimes> does anyone know what package contains c library manpages?
[02:09] <darcy> dm62: sound is fine, airport I haven't figured out yet
[02:09] <djm62> darcy: accelerated gfx?
[02:10] <darcy> djm62: can't say. How do I check?
[02:10] <JaGWiRE`> i'm in xorg.conf
[02:10] <djm62> darcy: run tuxracer ;)
[02:10] <JaGWiRE`> Now, what?
[02:10] <darcy> it defaulted to 1024x768 at least
[02:10] <darcy> k
[02:10] <djm62> darcy: or glxinfo
[02:10] <JaGWiRE`> ection "Screen"
[02:10] <JaGWiRE`> 	Identifier	"Default Screen"
[02:10] <JaGWiRE`> 	Device		"ATI Technologies, Inc. Radeon Mobility 9000 (M6 LY)"
[02:10] <JaGWiRE`> 	Monitor		"Generic Monitor"
[02:10] <JaGWiRE`> I'm at 1400x1050, which is same as in windows.
[02:10] <runedude> chiddy: i think i have it now
[02:10] <JaGWiRE`> I don't have a raedon 9000 moblity, but some other pos though.
[02:10] <runedude> maybe not tho
[02:11] <XTCboarder> how do i make shorewall run automatically on startup?
[02:11] <JaGWiRE`> ection "Device"
[02:11] <JaGWiRE`> 	Identifier	"ATI Technologies, Inc. Radeon Mobility 9000 (M6 LY)"
[02:11] <JaGWiRE`> 	Driver		"ati"
[02:11] <JaGWiRE`> 	BusID		"PCI:1:0:0"
[02:11] <JaGWiRE`> Hmm??
[02:11] <darcy> ubuntu has pauses everywhere. I haven't figured it out yet. Launching a terminal takes more than 5 seconds.
[02:11] <JaGWiRE`> This okay to suspend?
[02:11] <darcy> glxinfo dumped out a LOT of stuff. Where should I be looking?
[02:12] <holycow> XTCboarder, shorewall doesn't start automatically, its just a frontend for iptables, iptables will start automatically if you installed shorewall because that install iptables
[02:12] <JaGWiRE`> Countdown
[02:12] <djm62> JaGWiRE`best to just test it
[02:12] <chiddy> runedude, does it work now?
[02:12] <JaGWiRE`> Hm..
[02:12] <JaGWiRE`> k, brb.
[02:12] <djm62> darcy: Direct Rendering: Yes or No?
[02:12] <darcy> looking...
[02:12] <XTCboarder> holycow, but you have to run scripts everytime u start linux cause iptables won't save the configuration....
[02:12] <darcy> Direct rendering: yes
[02:12] <djm62> glxinfo|grep ender
[02:12] <CountDown> JaGWiRE``: yep?  i'm back now.
[02:12] <XTCboarder> so you have to run shorewall on every boot
[02:12] <holycow> XTCboarder, it has to, iptables rules are stored in /etc somewhere
[02:13] <darcy> name of display: :0.0
[02:13] <darcy> display: :0  screen: 0
[02:13] <darcy> direct rendering: Yes
[02:13] <darcy> server glx vendor string: SGI
[02:13] <darcy> server glx version string: 1.2
[02:13] <CountDown> JaGWiRE``: Ah, I see.  Okay, you're running the default driver.  This is good.
[02:13] <XTCboarder> but i had another script that did that
[02:13] <CountDown> JaGWiRE``: Ah, I see.  Okay, you're running the default driver.  This is good.
[02:13] <JaGWiRE`> Okay, I didn't see suspend in the logout options.
[02:13] <kakalto> I'll be back
[02:13] <djm62> darcy: that's pretty cool..in the worst case for airport, you can use any /linux/ supported pcmcia card rather than an apple-blessed one
[02:13] <runedude> hmm
[02:13] <JaGWiRE`> I saw it in gnome, but now in kde I don't see it.
[02:13] <darcy> I had to work hard to get web browsing to work from the default install.
[02:13] <XTCboarder> and it wouldn't keep the config on reboots so ui had to rerun my script on every boot
[02:13] <JaGWiRE`> Is this option not available?
[02:13] <runedude> chiddy: not really
[02:13] <CountDown> JaGWiRE``: The suspend options aren't there..
[02:13] <runedude> pops up with the list of dependecies
[02:13] <runedude> want the log?
[02:13] <JaGWiRE`> Not in kde, I saw it in gnme though
[02:14] <darcy> all kinds of different DNSs and Hosts got installed. I ahd to remove them all before any web pages would display in firefox. Timeouts otherwise.
[02:14] <chiddy> runedude, is it still the same list as before?
[02:14] <CountDown> JaGWiRE`: ATI's other driver (flgrx) conflicts with suspend.
[02:14] <runedude> chiddy: yea
[02:14] <djm62> strange :-/
[02:14] <runedude> apt-setup
[02:14] <darcy> ftp and whatever were lightning fast, so I was quite confufsed.
[02:14] <runedude> wanted to get off of older mirrors
[02:14] <holycow> XTCboarder, something is wrong with the setup thats all, you can setup rules manually for ip tables in /etc or you can use somethign like shorewall that does it for you
[02:14] <chiddy> runedude, i can probably upload my sources.list if you want to try that
[02:14] <ircbot_> hey anyone know exactly how to extend the timeout for sudo?  i have read man sudoers, but i still don't know where to add the timestamp_timeout line...
[02:14] <JaGWiRE`> Okay countdown.
[02:14] <runedude> chiddy: yes please:)
[02:14] <JaGWiRE`> Now, I don't see a suspend option..
[02:14] <JaGWiRE`> :(
[02:15] <djm62> darcy: how much memory are you on?
[02:15] <darcy> djm62: 640mb
[02:15] <holycow> XTCboarder, unfortunately i don't know how to debug that, it's a wee bit out of my scope of knowledge right now
[02:15] <XTCboarder> yeah, but that's not "iptables"
[02:15] <chiddy> runedude, http://www.dieburnbot.com/sources.txt
[02:15] <runedude> ok
[02:15] <CountDown> JaGWiRE`: Okay, now type "cat /etc/modules"
[02:15] <XTCboarder> it another thingie i dunno how's it called
[02:15] <XTCboarder> anyway
[02:15] <JaGWiRE`> in terminal
[02:15] <JaGWiRE`> or konquer?
[02:15] <djm62> darcy: you got DMA enabled on the disk?
[02:15] <XTCboarder> i found that shorewall is installed for reboots
[02:15] <CountDown> JaGWiRE`: In terminal.
[02:15] <XTCboarder> ;D
[02:15] <darcy> djm62: not sure. How do I check?
[02:15] <karljp> is there something like acdsee/irfanview for linux?
[02:15] <djm62> darcy: hdparm /dev/hda
[02:15] <darcy> k
[02:15] <JaGWiRE`> djm62 darcy: you got DMA enabled on the disk?
[02:15] <JaGWiRE`> oops
[02:15] <JaGWiRE`> wrong copy
[02:15] <XTCboarder> karljp, gthums
[02:16] <XTCboarder> *gthumbs
[02:16] <JaGWiRE`> ide-cd
[02:16] <JaGWiRE`> ide-disk
[02:16] <JaGWiRE`> ide-generic
[02:16] <JaGWiRE`> lp
[02:16] <JaGWiRE`> mousedev
[02:16] <XTCboarder> now i gotta get flashmx to run under wine
[02:16] <JaGWiRE`> psmouse
[02:16] <CountDown> JaGWiRE`: You should use my nick when you send a message to me so it gets highlighted and I see it easier.
[02:16] <JaGWiRE`> sbp2
[02:16] <JaGWiRE`> sr_mod
[02:16] <ircbot_> anyone know an aptable wifi finder?  something like kismet?
[02:16] <XTCboarder> and i'm all set
[02:16] <CountDown> JaGWiRE`: Okay.
[02:16] <karljp> like kismet, only for every card, not just kismet cards?
[02:16] <darcy> djm62: dma is on
[02:16] <holycow> karljp, or gtksee
[02:16] <CountDown> JaGWiRE`: Use a text editor to add the line "apm" to the file /etc/modules
[02:17] <djm62> darcy: I can't see why the pauses then :(
[02:17] <JaGWiRE`> Text editor? Like open office word processor?
[02:17] <holycow> *ew* never mind gtksee is terrible
[02:17] <holycow> haha
[02:17] <djm62> JaGWiRE` for a pure text editor, gedit is better
[02:17] <CountDown> JaGWiRE`: APM stands for Advanced Power Management.  There is another, newer power management utility called ACPI, but it doesn't work very well yet.
[02:18] <CountDown> djm62: I think JaGWiRE` is in KDE.
[02:18] <djm62> d'oh
[02:18] <runedude> chiddy: i did apt-get update and it loaded all of them but
[02:18] <holycow> karljp, oh i meant gqview ... thats decent too
[02:18] <darcy> djm62: thanks for suggesting a few things just the same :)
[02:18] <runedude> chiddy: what should I do for gnome now?
[02:18] <runedude> ubuntu-desktop?
[02:18] <JaGWiRE`> I am in kubuntu.
[02:18] <JaGWiRE`> I have used open office to open the document, but cannot type as it is "Read-only"
[02:18] <CountDown> JaGWiRE`: Speaking of which, if you're so new to Linux/Ubuntu, why are you using kubuntu instead of regular Ubuntu?
[02:18] <chiddy> runedude, yup same as before, except hopefully it will work now
[02:18] <darcy> djm62: my next challenge is getting a DVD to play. The default player in Gnome doesn't do it. I'll be trying VLC next
[02:18] <JaGWiRE`> Must I somehow change premissions to this document?
[02:19] <JaGWiRE`> Countdown, because i've used gnome before in fedor and hate it.
[02:19] <JaGWiRE`> :)
[02:19] <djm62> darcy: I guess it must be loading a lot...I bet if you open the terminal and it takes ages, then you shut it and reload it will take no time
[02:19] <holycow> JaGWiRE`, right click on file
[02:19] <darcy> what distro-similar packages does ubunto use? Debian?
[02:19] <runedude> chiddy: doesnt, wants all those ubuntu-desktop requirements.. (dependencies)
[02:19] <djm62> darcy: yeah, .debs
[02:19] <holycow> JaGWiRE`, a lot of things in windows and gnome crossover
[02:19] <darcy> djm62: launching  a second instance even with one open, is a 6-10 sec load
[02:19] <darcy> makes no sense
[02:19] <darcy> I may run top and watch  next time
[02:19] <djm62> that really doesn't :-/
[02:20] <JaGWiRE`> Alright.
[02:20] <JaGWiRE`> Right clicked it
[02:20] <JaGWiRE`> I think I need to be in root to change anything.
[02:20] <JaGWiRE`> Eh?
[02:20] <djm62> 640M should be enough for anyone...
[02:20] <CountDown> JaGWiRE`: In a terminal, type "sudo openoffice /etc/modules"
[02:20] <djm62> ;)
[02:20] <holycow> JaGWiRE`, if you own the file no, right click/properties/permissions
[02:20] <chiddy> runedude, maybe your missing something else that the other packages depend on... try sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:21] <holycow> JaGWiRE`, if someone else 'own's the file naturally you cannot change permissions
[02:21] <runedude> chiddy: ok
[02:21] <CountDown> holycow: I don't think JaGWiRE` should change the permissions on that file, right?
[02:21] <darcy> djm62: whoah, launching vi in a terminal window gives this error: unable to lookup muse via gethostbyname()
[02:21] <holycow> JaGWiRE`, if someone else owns the file you need to start konqueror as root, and right click/.... from there
[02:21] <darcy> ok, sudo vi that is
[02:21] <JaGWiRE`> Thanks.
[02:21] <JaGWiRE`> Alright, put apm in there at bottom.
[02:21] <darcy> muse is my host name
[02:21] <holycow> CountDown, i'm assuming he is using open office to open a file on his desktop?
[02:21] <JaGWiRE`> Now lets see when I go to start what happens.
[02:21] <djm62> darcy: wow...you have a sick computer
[02:21] <JaGWiRE`> No, it still isn't there?
[02:22] <darcy> just a default install LOL!
[02:22] <darcy> of 5.04
[02:23] <JaGWiRE`> Yeah, so I take it that I have to reboot
[02:23] <JaGWiRE`> Countdown
[02:23] <CountDown> JaGWiRE`: Here.
[02:23] <CountDown> So, is this a test?
[02:24] <leafw> any powerpc user with problems using wireless LANs with encryption?
[02:24] <cubis> Hi all
[02:24] <darcy> leafw: I've yet to cross that bridge, but it's on my to-do list
[02:24] <djm62> darcy: does your /etc/network/interfaces look sane?
[02:24] <darcy> djm62: checking
[02:25] <leafw> darcy: I was using kwifimanager and it only works in non-encrypted LANs, which is useless.
[02:25] <darcy> leafw: I'd say
[02:26] <JaGWiRE`> Sorry, closed xchat byacedently.
[02:26] <djm62> are you kde people all on kubuntu?
[02:26] <leafw> darcy: do you plan on fixing code or figuring out how to properly configure the thing, perhaps from config files instead of GUIs ?
[02:26] <JaGWiRE`> Countdown
[02:26] <darcy> djm62: auto lo, iface lo inet loopback, mapping hotplug, script grep, map eht0, iface eth0 inet dhcp, auth eth0 (lines of file sans comments)
[02:26] <CountDown> JaGWiRE`: Here.
[02:26] <darcy> leafw: I have no idea. I'm a little new to linux, can do some rpms, some light compiling and use guis, so I can't say!
[02:27] <CountDown> JaGWiRE`: By the way, I didn't like RedHat either, but Ubuntu GNOME is really nice.  FYI.
[02:27] <darcy> leafw: I'll probably search, read and follow footsteps
[02:27] <djm62> that's sane
[02:27] <JaGWiRE`> I didn't like suse either.
[02:27] <leafw> darcy: ok, just wondering. I am new to linux too, I use bsd
[02:27] <JaGWiRE`> :).
[02:27] <darcy> djm62: ok, cool.
[02:27] <cubis> I've a problem, look, i got Windows and Ubuntu on my PC, something happend some time ago and the disk got fucked (i mean.. the geometry or something like that.. it can't read partition's name), so i can't use fdisk, cfdisk, i wanna make a new partition to make my own LFS, but i wanna know if i can save my Ubuntu distro on a CD (or i other HD), format all the hard disk and put it back..
[02:27] <JaGWiRE`> Countdown, i'm in control panel in mouse properties and don't see where I can change speed of it. it's really killing me cause it's moving to fast!
[02:27] <leafw> darcy: there isn't much on powerpc. I bet 99.99 powerpc users run macosx.
[02:27] <CountDown> JaGWiRE`: Hang on, what are we trying to do now?
[02:27] <darcy> leafw: I dual boot. :)
[02:27] <runedude> chiddy: well, that didnt work
[02:28] <darcy> software reasons
[02:28] <runedude> yes , it did upgrade alot of packages
[02:28] <darcy> can't live without Logic Express. :)
[02:28] <JaGWiRE`> Nevermind fixed it.
[02:28] <runedude> but it didnt really help the ubuntu-desktop problem
[02:28] <JaGWiRE`> Countdown, suspend my notebook.
[02:28] <JaGWiRE`> Thats what )
[02:28] <whiteknight> hey i run ubuntu ppc
[02:28] <leafw> darcy: I just don't like macosx, but so far I won't install linux until I can get wifi
[02:28] <CountDown> JaGWiRE`: Right.  Okay, have you added "apm" to "/etc/modules"?
[02:28] <darcy> whiteknight: you get 5 second delays when you launch a term window from gnome
[02:28] <darcy> leafw: it's unix, I'm happy about that. Great workflow platform for mysql/php and web dev.
[02:29] <whiteknight> darcy, no
[02:29] <darcy> I have a blast with it.
[02:29] <JaGWiRE`> Yes, I hav.e
[02:29] <TestDummy> Er, yeah. Is there a way I can install a firewall?
[02:29] <skreet> Hey how can I find the size of a folder and it's contents?
[02:29] <whiteknight> leafw, what wireless do you want?
[02:29] <TestDummy> I remember using Firestarter or whatever with Warty..
[02:29] <runedude> chiddy: maybe my luck with gnome isnt good, maybe kde might offer a better shot?
[02:29] <Levander> Can't remember how to prevent the icon from showing up on the desktop when something is mounted.  Anybody remember what I set to prevent this?
[02:29] <darcy> whiteknight: k. Can't figure out why I get so many pauses trying to do things like click on UI elements and launch apps.
[02:29] <djm62> maybe breezy should be more optimised...
[02:29] <chiddy> runedude, then this is my last suggestion... run the huge command located here: http://www.dieburnbot.com/big_command.txt
[02:29] <leafw> darcy: just to use 128 bit encryption.
[02:29] <whiteknight> darcy, what is your machine
[02:29] <darcy> whiteknight: iBook 933MHz 640MB ram
[02:29] <darcy> 32MB video
[02:29] <djm62> although optimised for time or memory?
[02:29] <darcy> ati mobility 9200 m9
[02:29] <CountDown> JaGWiRE`: Okay, now look at the first non-commented entry in "/boot/grub/menu.lst"
[02:29] <Levander> skreet: du -sh <directory>
[02:29] <karljp> umm, if my kernel just oopsed, and Lost my mouse
[02:30] <karljp> how can I get it back?
[02:30] <runedude> ok chiddy
[02:30] <Levander> skreet: the h is optional, stands for "human readable"
[02:30] <whiteknight> darcy, how strange, i'm running the 800mhz iBook
[02:30] <skreet> Levander, du = disk usage?
[02:30] <whiteknight> darcy, hoary?
[02:30] <darcy> whiteknight: hoary 5.04
[02:30] <JaGWiRE`>  menu.lst - See: grub(8), info grub, update-grub(8)
[02:30] <JaGWiRE`> that?
[02:30] <chiddy> runedude, its up to you, to install kde you have to run sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[02:30] <Levander> skreet: yeah
[02:30] <darcy> whiteknight: it makes no sense. I do a 'top' and there's nothing sucking cpu
[02:30] <whiteknight> darcy, okay, i'm running breezy
[02:30] <JaGWiRE`> Countdown
[02:30] <Levander> djm62: is hoary slower than warty for you?
[02:30] <darcy> what's breezy?
[02:31] <darcy> different version?
[02:31] <CountDown> JaGWiRE`: type "less /boot/grub/menu.lst"
[02:31] <whiteknight> darcy, the development version
[02:31] <cubis> I've a problem, look, i got Windows and Ubuntu on my PC, something happend some time ago and the disk got fucked (i mean.. the geometry or something like that.. it can't read partition's name), so i can't use fdisk, cfdisk, i wanna make a new partition to make my own LFS, but i wanna know if i can save my Ubuntu distro on a CD (or i other HD), format all the hard disk and put it back..
[02:31] <darcy> ah
[02:31] <runedude> chiddy: that "big" command returns problems
[02:31] <cubis> Somebody can help me?
[02:31] <whiteknight> darcy, will be released in october
[02:31] <darcy> whiteknight: are iso's available for it?
[02:31] <CountDown> JaGWiRE`: Are you familiar with the "less" command?
[02:31] <darcy> whiteknight: oh ok
[02:31] <chiddy> runedude, what kind?
[02:31] <whiteknight> darcy, no, don't recommend it unless experienced, breaks alot
[02:31] <Levander> cubis: parted will back up an entire partition if that's what you want
[02:31] <CountDown> cubis: ATARI 2600.
[02:31] <runedude> chiddy: needs other packages installed..
[02:31] <whiteknight> darcy, there really shouldn't be a delay
[02:31] <Levander> cubis: gparted for the gnome front end to it
[02:31] <darcy> whiteknight: k
[02:31] <JaGWiRE`> No.
[02:32] <ircbot_> anyone gotten kismet to work well on ubuntu?  it lags my computer like all kinds of hell on fire.
[02:32] <JaGWiRE`> I have just used it though and got a smaller amount of data.
[02:32] <djm62> Levander: I can't compare...I just got a computer
[02:32] <TestDummy> Is there a way I can install a firewall?
[02:32] <JaGWiRE`> Now, what  is considered non-command entry?
[02:32] <darcy> whiteknight: I know, it makes no sense. If I run top, there's no cpu load at all, and it just sits there on "starting terminal" in the window switching panel
[02:32] <leafw> whiteknight : do you use wireless ?
[02:32] <darcy> for 5 or more seconds and then it pops up
[02:32] <whiteknight> leafw, yes
[02:32] <CountDown> JaGWiRE`: Are you still in KDE?
[02:32] <JaGWiRE`> Yeah.
[02:32] <darcy> and when I do 'sudo vi' on a file, I get a weird hostname lookup error
[02:32] <leafw> whiteknight : with encryption?
[02:32] <cubis> So, i cant put it back on my PC with out problem?
[02:32] <djm62> but it's never going to be a bad thing to be more responsive
[02:32] <cubis> i can*
[02:32] <whiteknight> leafw, no
[02:32] <Levander> djm62: some guy last night on here were saying warty was faster for than hoary for him, but for me, they did optimize hoary a lot over hoary, sure they will do the same for breezy
[02:32] <darcy> sudo: unable to lookup muse via gethostbyname()
[02:32] <whiteknight> leafw, don't nead it
[02:32] <runedude> chiddy: im starting to think ubuntu hates me.
[02:33] <CountDown> I'm not familiar enough with KDE to know what apps, JaGWiRE.
[02:33] <leafw> whiteknight : I can't get it to work wtih kubuntu, I wonder if gubuntu is different.
[02:33] <darcy> runedude: and mine's the turtle edition. :)
[02:33] <djm62> Levander: but optimisation is a trade off...it might be slower on machines with low memory
[02:33] <chiddy> runedude, lol, i think you have  a lot of dependencies that are missing
[02:33] <whiteknight> leafw, what card are you using?
[02:33] <JaGWiRE`> Countdown
[02:33] <Levander> darcy: on my machine it is using less memory
[02:33] <runedude> chiddy: there must be SOMEthing in apt to make it install ALL required dependencies, aye?
[02:33] <Levander> cubis: that's a problem with your name server, try nslookup to see if you can look anything up
[02:33] <leafw> whiteknight : airport (not extreme)
[02:34] <whiteknight> leafw, have you ever got encryption working?
[02:34] <calc> anyone know when evolution libs stuff is going to get fixed in breezy?
[02:34] <Levander> nobody remembers how to keep that icon from showing up on my desktop whenever I mount something?
[02:34] <CountDown> JaGWiRE`: After you type "less /boot/grub/menu.lst", use the arrow keys to scroll up or down.
[02:34] <leafw> whiteknight : with macosx yes, not with ubuntu.
[02:34] <calc> its still not installable yet
[02:34] <Levander> djm62: and it's faster
[02:34] <whiteknight> calc, no, i've had to change to thunderbird
[02:34] <djm62> calc: nobody knows...that's the fun of development
[02:34] <usual> hi calc
[02:34] <CountDown> JaGWiRE`: What is the first non-empty line of text that doesn't begin with #?
[02:35] <calc> djm62: so what is the problem, the libraries are broken sourcewise, or just someone hasn't had time to build them?
[02:35] <chiddy> runedude, well it could be that you ahve installed something that wasn't made for ubuntu and is a more recent version and ubuntu needs an older one and so can't install all of the other packages that depend on it... i would try sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop to see if kde will install and if that doesn't work my only recommendation is a format and clean install of ubuntu
[02:35] <whiteknight> leafw, i'm sure it'll work
[02:35] <usual> is the breezy merge with sid still going on and will it be a very long proccess
[02:35] <JaGWiRE`> title           Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.10-5-38
[02:35] <JaGWiRE`> That is the first.
[02:35] <runedude> chiddy: i tried kde, didnt work, meh
[02:35] <djm62> Levander: that clearly isn't the experience of everybody...I can't tell, I just bought a computer, and the only OS it's ever run has been hoary
[02:35] <runedude> i upgraded from debian
[02:35] <leafw> whiteknight : yes, but it isn't now ... just annoying, and I feel helpless about it.
[02:35] <darcy> haha, I put in an audio cd, nothing happened. So I launched the cd player. 34 seconds into music playback, the cd audio player opens up a second instance.
[02:35] <whiteknight> leafw, what exactly is the problem
[02:35] <Levander> djm62: what are others experience with upgrading to hoary?
[02:35] <runedude> I put in the sources for ubuntu, then apt-get upgraded.
[02:36] <JaGWiRE`> Countodwn
[02:36] <djm62> Levander: you mentioned people saying it was slower
[02:36] <CountDown> JaGWiRE`: Okay.  Two lines below that should start with "kernel", right?
[02:36] <Levander> djm62: that was just one guy that i was talking to last night, that's in no way scientific
[02:36] <chiddy> runedude, debian might have some packages then that aren't quite compatible... i would just do a format and everything should work fine then
[02:36] <admx> Has anyone tried NetworkManager with Ubuntu 5.04?
[02:36] <leafw> whiteknight : kubuntu kwifimanager ignores encryption config. But there's no warning anywhere that will tell you so. Hoary 5.04.
[02:36] <runedude> chiddy: problem is, i lost my cds..
[02:36] <JaGWiRE`> kernel          /boot/memtest86+.bin
[02:36] <JaGWiRE`> Affirmative countdown
[02:36] <JaGWiRE`> =)
[02:36] <runedude> and my cdburner wont work :(
[02:36] <CountDown> JaGWiRE`: Are you using XChat right now?
[02:36] <JaGWiRE`> Yeah.
[02:36] <djm62> Levander: nor is your experience, or mine
[02:36] <whiteknight> leafw, on ubuntu gnome, network settings allows WEP to be entered
[02:36] <darcy> anyone install KDE using ubuntu 5.04?
[02:37] <JaGWiRE`> Countdown, Yes I am.
[02:37] <whiteknight> leafw, if you wanted to really check you could do it via the command line
[02:37] <djm62> but someone on here is complaining about speed issues on a powerful mac
[02:37] <leafw> whiteknight : in powerpc ?
[02:37] <CountDown> JaGWiRE`: You can use the TAB key to tab-complete nicks.  :)
[02:37] <darcy> djm62: is my iBook considered a powerful mac? :)
[02:37] <CountDown> JaGWiRE`: Do you have a dual boot system?
[02:37] <usual> is anyone here using breezy
[02:37] <JaGWiRE`> CountDown, I sure as hell do.
[02:37] <whiteknight> darcy, it should work, mine does
[02:37] <Levander> djm62: but they've stated they were trying to optimize breezy, i was just saying that in my experience they did with hoary.  You were one talking about everyone's experience
[02:37] <whiteknight> leafw, yeah
[02:37] <djm62> darcy: lots of memory, quite fast processor...I wouldn't mind one
[02:37] <whiteknight> leafw, depending on what you answered
[02:37] <darcy> whiteknight: kde that is?
[02:37] <JaGWiRE`> CountDown,  It is running what ubuntu installed in the MBR, Xp is obviously my 2nd os, by not by chocie :).
[02:38] <whiteknight> darcy, you running kde?
[02:38] <djm62> Levander: not everyone's experience is the logical opposite of everyone's experience
[02:38] <CountDown> JaGWiRE`: Okay, look for the first section that starts with "title           Ubuntu"
[02:38] <chiddy> runedude, if you have diskettes you could make a few boot disks and install suse or mandrake using FTP and then burn a cd?
[02:38] <leafw> whiteknight : I launched kwifimanager from the command line. I'm using the livecd. Using kernel 'live', the app prints nothing. Using the 'live-powerpc', it prints 'can't config card' or something similar.
[02:38] <darcy> djm62: It's a great laptop. But it has issues. Bottom left corner closest to me cracked without ever being dropped. And the ink has disappeared off keys on two different keyboards. One after a year, and the second one in two months.
[02:38] <djm62> Levander: one person feels differently, it's not everyone's experience
[02:38] <darcy> whiteknight: no, just default gnome
[02:38] <Levander> djm62: are u a troll
[02:38] <Levander> ?
[02:38] <runedude> chiddy: i dont have any :(
[02:38] <darcy> whiteknight: I prefer kde though
[02:38] <runedude> i dont think so atleast
[02:38] <whiteknight> leafw, sorry to ask but are you new to linux?
[02:38] <djm62> Levander: purely down to your own judgement
[02:39] <runedude> i do have a cdburner on this comp, but it doesnt work properly.
[02:39] <leafw> whiteknight : right.
[02:39] <JaGWiRE`> CountDown, title           Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.10-5-386
[02:39] <JaGWiRE`> root            (hd0,8)
[02:39] <JaGWiRE`> kernel          /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.10-5-386 root=/dev/hda9 ro quiet splash
[02:39] <JaGWiRE`> initrd          /boot/initrd.img-2.6.10-5-386
[02:39] <JaGWiRE`> savedefault
[02:39] <JaGWiRE`> boot
[02:39] <JaGWiRE`> :)
[02:39] <djm62> Levander: although flames should be taken to #ubuntu-offtopic
[02:39] <leafw> whiteknight : no offence, I'm a freebsd guy.
[02:39] <whiteknight> leafw, open up a console and type sudo iwconfig
[02:39] <Levander> djm62: you're headed to offtopic then?
[02:39] <djm62> nope, but feel free ;)
[02:40] <chiddy> runedude, sorry then can't help you out unless you live close to me.. but i doubt it, try posting at http://www.ubuntuforums.org/ and good luck
[02:40] <CountDown> JaGWiRE`: Okay change "/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.10-5-386 root=/dev/hda9 ro quiet splash" to "/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.10-5-386 root=/dev/hda9 ro acpi=off quiet splash"
[02:40] <djm62> just don't want the channel going offtopic
[02:40] <Zugot> any bad breezy stories to share?
[02:40] <leafw> I'm on osx now, but I will. I'll go read about iwconfig. Thanks.
[02:40] <JaGWiRE`> How do I do that? :D
[02:40] <runedude> chiddy: hmm
[02:40] <runedude> maybe i should just go back to debian :P
[02:40] <CountDown> JaGWiRE`: Basically, just add "acpi=off" in the right place.
[02:40] <JaGWiRE`> ANd what does that do/.
[02:40] <CountDown> JaGWiRE`: Oops, I forgot you can't edit it yet.
[02:40] <chiddy> runedude, that could be an idea :)
[02:41] <whiteknight> leafw, have a look here http://www.ibiblio.org/john/linux-wep.html
[02:41] <CountDown> JaGWiRE`: The default Ubuntu kernel uses ACPI for power management.  ACPI and APM don't work well together.
[02:41] <leafw> whiteknight : thanks, I'll check it.
[02:41] <runedude> chiddy: mmk :(
[02:41] <runedude> i wanted ubuntu tho
[02:41] <whiteknight> leafw, nw
[02:41] <runedude> ill fix my cdburner later
[02:41] <JaGWiRE`> Countdown.
[02:41] <runedude> HP is gay and doesnt release their firmware off their site
[02:41] <runedude> !!
[02:41] <JaGWiRE`> In control panel, I do see acpi.
[02:41] <JaGWiRE`> I have just took a look.
[02:42] <CountDown> JaGWiRE`: You've already added APM as a module separate from the kernel by adding "apm" to /etc/modules.
[02:42] <CountDown> JaGWiRE`: Are you able to turn ACPI off?
[02:42] <Zugot> don't *downgrade* back to debian
[02:42] <JaGWiRE`> Where?
[02:42] <darcy> darn, can't install VLC. Can't find it in apt-get.
[02:42] <CountDown> JaGWiRE`: From the control panel?
[02:42] <JaGWiRE`> In button actions, it doesn't show itself enabled.
[02:43] <JaGWiRE`> It says I must enable ti for buttons or something.
[02:43] <JaGWiRE`> Why don't I just use acpi?? LOL?
[02:43] <djm62> darcy: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[02:43] <JaGWiRE`> CountDown,
[02:43] <djm62> darcy: should sort you for DVDs and similar
[02:43] <runedude> Zugot: why?
[02:43] <chiddy> runedude, i'm using a cendyne burner that i can't even get working at all
[02:43] <darcy> djm62: great, thanks!
[02:43] <runedude> Zugot: I have no other options.
[02:43] <CountDown> JaGWiRE`: With ACPI, you lose about 10% of your battery life per hour when in suspend.  APM is much less.
[02:44] <JaGWiRE`> Oh, I see countdown.
[02:44] <Hobocop> :)
[02:44] <runedude> Zugot: I cant even get to X on ubuntu, so whats ubuntu got to hold me?
[02:44] <JaGWiRE`> WIll apm have the option so that when I push my power button, it will go hibernate? etc
[02:44] <Hobocop> hey guys and gals, I was wondering if I could set some sort of command to take a screenshot and save it in a folder every thirty seconds with a certain name
[02:44] <runedude> chiddy: if hp released their shit, we'd have no problem
[02:44] <CountDown> JaGWiRE`: Hibernate is different from suspend.  I don't know if that will work with your laptop.  It doesn't work on mine yet, but I have an IBM.
[02:44] <Hobocop> or should I get some sort of program to do that:)
[02:45] <runedude> Zugot: heh, you live in arnold?
[02:45] <jintxo> Hobocop, to make a screenshot ue the command "import", you could program na "import" command with cron or write a script...
[02:45] <CountDown> JaGWiRE`: Are you logged in as root right now?
[02:45] <djm62> Hobocop: a certain name, or a different name each time?
[02:45] <icebalm> runedude: what's this about hp?
[02:45] <JaGWiRE`> no.
[02:45] <JaGWiRE`> Want me to go log in as root?
[02:45] <Hobocop> oh yes cron jobs :)
[02:45] <CountDown> JaGWiRE`: No.
[02:45] <JaGWiRE`> "Su root"
[02:45] <JaGWiRE`> ?
[02:45] <runedude> icebalm: i was stating, HP doesnt release their firmware, you gotta get a new CD and order that from them
[02:45] <jintxo> import is an ImageMagick utility I believe...
[02:45] <djm62> Hobocop: cron jobs aren't good for "every 30s" tasks
[02:46] <icebalm> runedude: firmware for what?
[02:46] <Hobocop> :'(
[02:46] <XplOzIon> hi all
[02:46] <djm62> Hobocop: but a very small script with a loop and the "sleep" command would be fine
[02:46] <runedude> icebalm: their cdwriter
[02:46] <Hobocop> same name
[02:46] <CountDown> JaGWiRE`: From a terminal window, type "sudo openoffice /boot/grub/menu.lst"
[02:46] <icebalm> runedude: which one?
[02:46] <Hobocop> ok so what language would I be writing this in lmao
[02:46] <XplOzIon> where do i put sound themes? what folder?
[02:46] <runedude> Zugot: you seem to have the same IP range as me. Lol
[02:46] <runedude> icebalm: 9500 series
[02:46] <darcy> djm62: on that page you sent, it says to get something for playing aac audio. It says to use "sudo apt-get -t unstable install gstreamer0.8-faad". I do, and get this error:E: Couldn't find package gstreamer0.8-faad
[02:47] <djm62> darcy: have you added the repositories it suggests?
[02:47] <Hobocop> djm62: What language would I write this in? lmao I will have to learn it ;)
[02:47] <darcy> djm62: oh. :)
[02:47] <Traderjb> IT WORKS!
[02:47] <darcy> I scrolled down and missed all that. Shutitng up. :)
[02:47] <icebalm> runedude: what do you need the firmware for? isn't it already in the drive?
[02:47] <Traderjb> Oh my stars!  After 3 hours fiddling with it it works!
[02:48] <Traderjb> You folks rock!
[02:48] <djm62> darcy: also I should tell you, I've had no luck with that and itunes-ripped stuff, but realplayer10 plays them fine
[02:48] <JaGWiRE`> hey
[02:48] <JaGWiRE`> how do I change textsize in x-chat?
[02:48] <djm62> Hobocop: bash script
[02:48] <darcy> djm62: rp10 huh? Ok, I'll just go that route.
[02:48] <Hobocop> oh like the native linux eh
[02:48] <runedude> icebalm: i dont think so, i need their firmware/drivers to set it up on windows XP, the current drivers dont allow me to burn CDs, nor even read CDs
[02:49] <CountDown> JaGWiRE`: Settings -> Preferences -> Text Box
[02:49] <icebalm> runedude: is this the internal EIDE drive you're talking about?
[02:49] <JaGWiRE`> alright
[02:49] <djm62> Hobocop: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Bash-Prog-Intro-HOWTO-7.html
[02:49] <JaGWiRE`> thats good
[02:49] <Zugot> runedude you are right
[02:49] <Zugot> I'm in Glen Burnie
[02:49] <runedude> Zugot: Arnold?
[02:49] <runedude> oh
[02:49] <chiddy> runedude, i came across this way to install ubuntu without CDs or any removable media, maybe you could give it a try: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=28948
[02:49] <runedude> You live really close.
[02:49] <Hobocop> oh god coolness
[02:49] <JaGWiRE`> Alright, the docs opened.
[02:49] <runedude> ok chiddy
[02:50] <CountDown> JaGWiRE`: Okay, make the change I mentioned before...
[02:50] <JaGWiRE`> Huh?
[02:50] <CountDown> JaGWiRE`: Okay change "/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.10-5-386 root=/dev/hda9 ro quiet splash" to "/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.10-5-386 root=/dev/hda9 ro acpi=off quiet splash"
[02:50] <MMond> Hello . . . uhmm . . . I can't start GNOME . . . I have some serious problems . . . any help would be greatly appreaciated -- and here, two log files: http//gsnsinc.com/mond/ul2/dled/XFree86.8.log and http://gsnsinc.com/mond/ul2/dled/log.txt - I'm on complete CLI right now by the way . . . please help
[02:50] <djm62> Hobocop: you want to use a while loop with a condition that's always true, the sleep command and whatever command takes screenshots (I misremember)
[02:50] <JaGWiRE`> Huh?
[02:50] <SQL_Sam> i must say i am impressed with ubuntu - being a newbie and all - i installed mplayer, Vlc, Realplayer, got my Samba file share working and got firefox tweaked so it runs nice now - kudos to ubuntu!!
[02:50] <CountDown> JaGWiRE`: Basically, just add "acpi=off" in the right place.
[02:50] <JaGWiRE`> Oops.
[02:50] <JaGWiRE`> Sec.
[02:50] <Hobocop> :):):):):):):):))):):):):):):):):)):
[02:50] <darcy> SQL_Sam: how did you get VLC installed? I'm having trouble.
[02:50] <djm62> :)
[02:51] <crimsun> darcy: enable universe, then install vlc
[02:51] <darcy> enable universe, ok.
[02:51] <SQL_Sam> yes i also had to install universe
[02:51] <SQL_Sam> (and multiverse)
[02:52] <runedude> chiddy: great stuff, but i have a existing partition for ubuntu
[02:52] <JaGWiRE`> alright
[02:52] <JaGWiRE`> i've changed it
[02:52] <darcy> I'm waiting for it to launch...tick tock tick tock
[02:52] <JaGWiRE`> now what?
[02:52] <MMond> Hello . . . uhmm . . . I can't start GNOME . . . I have some serious problems . . . any help would be greatly appreaciated -- and here, two log files: http//gsnsinc.com/mond/ul2/dled/XFree86.8.log and http://gsnsinc.com/mond/ul2/dled/log.txt - anyone?
[02:52] <crimsun> (multiverse isn't necessary for vlc)
[02:52] <JaGWiRE`> CountDown,
[02:52] <CountDown> JaGWiRE`: Okay, save the file and restart.  That should do it.
[02:52] <djm62> MMond: when did the problem start?
[02:52] <runedude> chiddy: and i dont want to loose my data really
[02:52] <SQL_Sam> yes i know, but i'm greedy that way ;-)
[02:53] <darcy> LOL! Clicked on synaptic manager, and am still waiting for it to launch.
[02:53] <LinuxJones> MMond, why does that url point to Microsoft ?
[02:53] <MMond> djm62: About 2 days ago . . . machine wasn't shut down properly (physically pressed the "off" button) started . . . forced the "fsck" thing . . . I'm a nub and blindly pressed the "y" through the entire way . . . and ended up starting in complete CLI
[02:53] <icebalm> MMond: you don't have a window manager defined
[02:53] <MMond> huh? o.0
[02:53] <chiddy> runedude, yeah didn't realize you have to backup :) besides i think it needs a windows installation which im not sure you have...
[02:53] <runedude> meh, brb
[02:53] <runedude> i do
[02:53] <CountDown> Hey, can someone look after JaGWiRE when he comes back... I've got to go.
[02:53] <runedude>  i have xp dual boot
[02:54] <icebalm> runedude: is this the internal EIDE drive you're talking about?
[02:54] <MMond> icebalm: How would I "define" one then? Be default . . . I always used GNOME. All of a suddenly, it stopped working
[02:54] <djm62> icebalm:
[02:54] <MMond> LinuxJones: Hrmm? I just uploaded these files a few minutes ago . . . I can't literally "click" on the links.. I'm on complete CLI right now . . . but where exactly does it lead to?
[02:54] <icebalm> MMond: echo "gnome-session" >~/.xinitrc
[02:54] <runedude> icebalm: yes
[02:54] <runedude> brb im gonna just boot to windows
[02:54] <darcy> well, can't get synaptic app to launch. something's screwy. be back later. Thanks for all the help guys. Hey, how do I save this irc session? I launched it with 'irc' at command line?
[02:54] <MMond> Got it, thanks
[02:55] <Scuddie> Boy, oh boy is linux fun :D.
[02:55] <chiddy> well runedude, im going to go out and get drunk now... :) cya later and good luck
[02:55] <Scuddie> More particularly, this distro.
[02:55] <icebalm> runedude: I think you're on crack, the firmware is on the drive and nothing short of a standard EIDE driver is needed to access this drive
[02:55] <LinuxJones> MMond, I just pasted >>  http//gsnsinc.com/mond/ul2/dled/XFree86.8.log and it resolved to Microsoft.com
[02:56] <djm62> LinuxJones: what are you running atm?
[02:56] <stego> Hi, please could someone help me fix an ongoing problem trying to get DMA to work on my optical drives? I am getting very strange results. So far, my experiences are at http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=28805
[02:56] <icebalm> LinuxJones: you're on windows, aren't you?  watch the URL: http//.... make sure it's http://
[02:56] <LinuxJones> djm62, firefox + Breezy
[02:56] <MMond> LinuxJones: whupz, forgot the colon between http and //
[02:56] <MMond> http://gsnsinc.com/mond/ul2/dled/XFree86.8.log
[02:57] <djm62> LinuxJones: yeah...that's firefoxes best attempt at DWIM
[02:57] <LinuxJones> Why would it resole to that gay site ?
[02:57] <JaGWiRE`> Alright, rebooted.
[02:57] <djm62> first google entry when you search http
[02:57] <JaGWiRE`> In logout screen, I still do not see suspension or hibernation.
[02:57] <JaGWiRE`> :((
[02:57] <MMond> icebalm: Uhm . . . getting some errors . . . something like this: http://gsnsinc.com/mond/ul2/dled/log.txt for the output
[02:57] <LinuxJones> djm62, omg
[02:57] <djm62> and I'm sure microsoft are pan-sexually evil
[02:58] <Scuddie> So, who knows of a way to write to NTFS?  I have some stuff to do with NTFS, and I need to know if there's any easy way to make a program think it's writing to the NTFS partition.
[02:58] <MMond> That was when I was trying to get FluxBox the work . . . tried pretty much the same thing ( echo "fluxbox stuff" > .xinitrc) and startx . . . got those same problems
[02:58] <djm62> Scuddie: google "captive" ntfs
[02:58] <SQL_Sam> do i need to install windows codecs if i have Vlc? or does it have them already?  anyone know
[02:58] <Scuddie> Is it secure?
[02:58] <Tsuroerusu> Hey guys, I have a little question regarding moving from Debian Sarge to Ubuntu Hoary. I wanna try installing Ubuntu on my Linux dedicated Xbox, what I was thinking of doing was to first install Xebian 1.1.0 and then use apt to install Ubuntu and then by myself compile a vanilla kernel and then try to see if I can compile the "Ubuntu kernel" with the Xbox patches, how does this plan sound, plain stupid or OK?
[02:59] <djm62> in what sense?
[02:59] <usual> how can I set hdparm -d 1 on a device perm
[02:59] <JaGWiRE`> Countdown left?
[02:59] <djm62> usual: add it to /etc/hdparm.conf
[02:59] <icebalm> MMond: 1. upgrade to hoary. 2. the errors are non-fatal
[02:59] <Scuddie> oops...  Wrong word.  I mean secure as in if it can be written to on the fly without a VFS.
[02:59] <Scuddie> Without screwing up the whole MFT
[02:59] <SQL_Sam> just confuses me why people use Xbox's?
[02:59] <icebalm> MMond: hmm, wait a sec
[03:00] <djm62> Mutha Fscking Thing?
[03:00] <icebalm> MMond: yeah, upgrade to hoary
[03:00] <MMond> icebalm: Hrmm, upgrade to Hoary . . . I ordered the discs, but I don't know when I'm getting them. Is the upgrade an easy task for a nub to do?
[03:00] <Hobocop> so for the sleep command
[03:00] <Hobocop> is it just sleep 30
[03:00] <Hobocop> or something
[03:00] <icebalm> MMond: do you have a fast internet connection?
[03:00] <MMond> icebalm: yes, 5 mega bits dl :D
[03:00] <djm62> Hobocop: exactly that :)
[03:00] <Hobocop> thanks :)
[03:01] <muwu> Hi. How do I mount a newly created EXT3 partition with all read and write access for originary non-root user? (been readying How'tos and can't figure it out). thanks.
[03:01] <EvilSporkMan> what is this "you must choose a component before submitting" message on bugzilla? the bug report looks complete to me...
[03:01] <muwu> currently, my /etc/fstab is : /dev/hdb6       /mnt/backup ext3   users,auto,rw 0 1
[03:02] <icebalm> MMond: cake then: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary
[03:02] <MMond> This is my laptop . . . 266 mhz, 7 years old. Put Linux on this laptop for mere experimenting with LAMP . . . (actually got LAP working) anyhow . . . I'll have to burn the iso's and whatnot on my desktop . . . which should be able to do all. I'll try burning it then
[03:02] <djm62> MMond: upgrade...and try not to unplug your system in the middle of disk operations ;)
[03:02] <MMond> icebalm: Ahh, got it. thanks. By the way -- will be files be safe?
[03:02] <muwu> it's kinda funny, the guide has Howto on how to mount FAT and NTFS, but no EXT3~!
[03:02] <icebalm> MMond: of course
[03:02] <MMond> djm62: It's a laptop . . . ;)
[03:02] <muwu> anyone?
[03:03] <MMond> But I have acpi problems . . . so if I unhook the power cord, laptop goes off immediately instead of using the battery power
[03:03] <muwu> Also, is it possible to add two partitions on different drives to create one mount point?
[03:03] <MMond> So yes, I'll be warily be watching things. thanks for the tip though . . . :O
[03:03] <EvilSporkMan> anyone? bugzilla? *sigh*
[03:03] <icebalm> MMond: that's not an ACPI thing
[03:03] <JaGWiRE`> Crap.
[03:03] <EvilSporkMan> the change in focus from debian to ubuntu is certainly remarkable =\
[03:03] <MMond> icebalm: What could it be then? o.0
[03:03] <djm62> muwu: in /etc/fstab you want in the options column "users,rw"
[03:03] <JaGWiRE`> I told laptop barry apm config to remember my pwd, so I clciked on it agian and it said I must supply a password (I supplied wrong one)
[03:03] <icebalm> MMond: hardware...
[03:03] <JaGWiRE`> How do I fix this?? :(
[03:04] <MMond> icebalm: On start-up, it does give me "one fail" and "hardware not detected" on start-up
[03:04] <muwu> djm62, currently, currently, my /etc/fstab is : /dev/hdb6       /mnt/backup ext3   users,auto,rw 0 1
[03:04] <djm62> muwu: if you add two drives to the one mount point, happiness does not ensue...the last drive masks the previous one
[03:04] <ircbot_> how special my ex girlfriend just called me
[03:04] <JaGWiRE`> If i told it to remember my pwd, and it was wrong, what do I do?
[03:04] <icebalm> MMond: irrelevant, laptop should switch power sources on it's own without ACPI or anything even to do with ACPI
[03:04] <MMond> icebalm: I had windows 95 on it a few weeks ago . . . all hardware worked perfectly. Later put on XP Pro on this laptop . . . and all hardware did work properly
[03:04] <muwu> djm62, oh...
[03:04] <icebalm> MMond: Win95 doesn't use ACPI
[03:05] <djm62> muwu: I'm not sure what the point of doing it would be anyway...
[03:05] <MMond> Well, whatever it was that handled those things
[03:05] <muwu> djm62, kinda running out of space on one drive...and it's kinda hard to move around stuff..
[03:05] <djm62> muwu: have you remounted the drive manually with those options?
[03:05] <icebalm> MMond: power source switching is not software controlled
[03:05] <EvilSporkMan> i can't seem to find an official AMD64 installation guide. is the link in a strange place?
[03:05] <muwu> dmj62, yes...
[03:05] <muwu> I cannot add or remove anything as normal user
[03:06] <MMond> icebalm: Although what you are saying makes perfect sense . . . but to a more pragmatic sense, it does work on MS operating system and not on this . . . I can't imagine what could be wrong here :x
[03:06] <djm62> muwu: ls -al shows that the files don't belong to you?
[03:06] <muwu> Everything belongs to the root..but I should be able to create new directori8es and such..but can't..
[03:06] <icebalm> MMond: the OS has nothing to do with it as it's not software controlled
[03:07] <EvilSporkMan> muwu: do an ls -l .. and make sure you have write permission in the directory itself
[03:07] <djm62> MMond: 7 is old in laptop-years...it could have just went in hardware
[03:07] <icebalm> MMond: correlation does not prove causation
[03:08] <muwu> djm62, in #flood.. I have posted the output
[03:09] <MMond> icebalm: Someone told me to do a few things on terminal . . . I did so, and it started working correctly . . . although evidently that fix was "temporary" hold on a sec . . . I'll upload what exactly he said and what I did. As it very well may not direct anything of the hardware . . . but it happened ;\
[03:09] <SQL_Sam> mkdir?
[03:10] <muwu> ah, never imagined mount an EXT3 could be this hard~.. :D I used to be able to this before..but I guess I never had to manually change fstab as all the partitions were detected during install..and this time I created a new partition using EXT3
[03:11] <MMond> http://gsnsinc.com/mond/ul2/dled/fix4power.txt
[03:11] <muwu> Also is there a way to refresh partition table for linux kernel WITHOUT rebooting? like after doing qtparted...
[03:11] <EvilSporkMan> I am experiencing problems with the AMD64 installer relating to setting the correct time - the installer seems to a) not show the hardware clock on the "is the hardware clock set to GMT?" page and b) always think the clock is set to GMT. Can someone help or confirm this?
[03:11] <MMond> At that point he told me to "unhook" the power cord . . . and the laptop from that point did rely on the battery
[03:12] <MMond> Whereas, it didn't before that moment
[03:12] <EvilSporkMan> muwu: definitely recommended to reboot after changing the partition table
[03:12] <djm62> muwu: what he said :-/
[03:12] <SQL_Sam> anyone here use swat?
[03:12] <Scuddie> Hmmm...  CaptiveNTFS doesn't seem to be what I'm looking for.  So perhaps is there a way to read the NTFS disk, but have it write to a different directory, like an alias?  I'm sure there is a really simple solution, but I'm not exactly knowledgeable around linux environments.
[03:13] <MMond> And one more question
[03:13] <EvilSporkMan> I thought ubuntu was all about support...am I in the wrong channel?
[03:13] <muwu> djm62, I have gained write access as user... after doing "chown xman /mnt/backup"
[03:13] <MMond> Is there something equivalent to GAIM for CLI?
[03:13] <djm62> Scuddie: NTFS read support is in the kernel...filesystem type 'ntfs'
[03:13] <EvilSporkMan> MMond: naim
[03:13] <transgress> Scuddie: writing to ntfs from linux is a bad idea
[03:13] <MMond> EvilSporkMan: "apt-get install naim" should work?
[03:13] <mahmoud> Could someone help me making ubuntu support hyperthreading?
[03:13] <EvilSporkMan> MMond: most likely
[03:13] <SQL_Sam> i've got tons of help from people here
[03:13] <muwu> so basically the root directory of that partition now belongs to the regular user.. but is there a way to make that partition accessible to everyone?
[03:13] <MMond> EvilSporkMan: got it, thank you
[03:13] <Amaranth> EvilSporkMan: Installation guide? It should be the same as x86...
[03:13] <EvilSporkMan> SQL_Sam: anything on AMD64? I've asked 2 or 3 good questions and nothing... i was worried i had been /ignored
[03:13] <MMond> Hrmm, not there ;\
[03:13] <Scuddie> I know.  That's why I'm asking to see if I can read as an alias, but make the program think it is the same dir.
[03:14] <Hobocop> ok lmao dj I must not be getting it
[03:14] <Scuddie> Kinda like Mutators for UT.
[03:14] <LinuxJones> mahmoud, install the 686 kernel image
[03:14] <SQL_Sam> I'm a newb myself have you tried the forums?
[03:14] <djm62> Scuddie: then use cp -r to mirror whatever directory onto a normal filesystem
[03:14] <EvilSporkMan> Amaranth: AMD64 is like fubar in Debian; Ubuntu can't be that much better. I'd also like some information on the AMD64 kernels and such. but where is the i386 guide?
[03:14] <LinuxJones> mahmoud, sorry make that the smp kernel
[03:14] <djm62> Scuddie: are you using wine?
[03:14] <EvilSporkMan> SQL_Sam: ah, forums > official doc? reminds me of gentoo
[03:14] <icebalm> EvilSporkMan: someone doesn't answer you in 3 minutes and you bitch about it? nice buddy
[03:14] <Scuddie> I don't have much space.
[03:14] <muwu> BTW, I kinda noticed that KDE is less than stable on Ubuntu.. or is it just me?
[03:14] <Amaranth> EvilSporkMan: No guide needed. You pop in the CD and hit enter.
[03:14] <EvilSporkMan> icebalm: wasn't just the one question
[03:14] <Scuddie> Not yet, no.
[03:15] <mahmoud> I actually have the 386. where do i get the 686? Any install docs?
[03:15] <djm62> muwu: are you using ubuntu or kubuntu?
[03:15] <SQL_Sam> i'm stable
[03:15] <muwu> With only 512MB, I kinda feel KDE eats up too much RAM.. also GNOME feels kinda weird.
[03:15] <muwu> djm62, ubuntu with KDE 3.4 apt-gotted
[03:15] <SQL_Sam> kubuntu
[03:15] <JaGWiRE`> How can I change what boots by default in grub loading stage, etc?
[03:15] <icebalm> EvilSporkMan: ok, 6 minutes, still not a nice thing to do
[03:15] <EvilSporkMan> Amaranth: yes, debian-installer is quite nice =). I guess I'm off to the forums...seems to be a weird way to write docs
[03:15] <Amaranth> muwu: Please tell me you install kubuntu-desktop. :)
[03:15] <EvilSporkMan> icebalm: fair enough
[03:15] <icebalm> EvilSporkMan: especially since they're dumb questions and not asked intelligently
[03:15] <djm62> muwu: I think kubuntu is significantly different/better than ubuntu-with-kde
[03:16] <JaGWiRE`> Uh...
[03:16] <muwu> Amaranth, basically go to Synaptic, then choose advance, and choose Kde-base, kde-desktop, and other kde recommended stuff.
[03:16] <muwu> djm62, they are DIFFERENT?
[03:16] <JaGWiRE`> It is possible to change the boot settings like it is in suse, right?
[03:16] <EvilSporkMan> icebalm: but i was in here earlier...and how would you prefer I asked them? I just wanted someone to confirm before i made a bug-report
[03:16] <mahmoud> LinuxJones, I havnt the smp kernel in the boot menu
[03:16] <muwu> I mean I prefer kde because of my Palm Pilot sync actually works without crashing the system (in Gnome, my system hangs!~)
[03:16] <Amaranth> EvilSporkMan: The forums are full of HOWTOs people have thought would be useful. You haven't stated what you need help with though so what can we do?
[03:17] <djm62> muwu: so I'm told...I've always liked gnome so I don't know
[03:17] <JaGWiRE`> Uhh...
[03:17] <Amaranth> muwu: An Ubuntu install becomes a Kubuntu install with sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[03:17] <muwu> Also, under kde, it's much easier to manage CUPS, and just easier to use..but it's kinda bloatd..and not that stable compared to gnome.
[03:17] <icebalm> EvilSporkMan: a bug report against the linux kernel?
[03:17] <EvilSporkMan> Amaranth: ok, I'm just coming from Debian so I'm much more used to "go read the effing manual" ;)
[03:17] <JaGWiRE`> Woah, thought there'de be an instant answer to how to change what boots by default in grub loading stage in ubuntu.
[03:17] <JaGWiRE`> Weird... :(.
[03:17] <EvilSporkMan> icebalm: no no, the one against debian-installer
[03:17] <Amaranth> muwu: Works the other way around too with ubuntu-desktop
[03:17] <djm62> JaGWiRE`: edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[03:17] <EvilSporkMan> JaGWiRE`: it's update-grub in debian...try man update-grub?
[03:18] <muwu> jaGwire, read up on grub... "man grub"
[03:18] <muwu> ic..
[03:18] <JaGWiRE`> Theres no gui tool like in suse?
[03:18] <JaGWiRE`> That sucks!!
[03:18] <djm62> JaGWiRE`: man social-engineering
[03:18] <muwu> I tried XFCE bec. of being fed up with KDE sucking up too much ram (because I really do multitask)..
[03:18] <Amaranth> JaGWiRE`: That sucks doesn't help much. :)
[03:18] <LinuxJones> mahmoud, apt-cache search linux-image | grep smp
[03:19] <muwu> but KFCE is so bare... so I think I might just use Icewin...
[03:19] <JaGWiRE`> What was that cmd I as using earlier?
[03:19] <EvilSporkMan> JaGWiRE`: you could use a graphical editor ;)
[03:19] <JaGWiRE`> Uh...
[03:19] <JaGWiRE`> Sodu?
[03:19] <djm62> sudo
[03:19] <MMond> So uhm, any way I can get X working without upgrading to Hoary, for the time being?
[03:19] <mahmoud> How do I install the smp kernel?
[03:19] <tizen> Hmm, is there anyway to go back to Hoary if you upgraded to Breezy
[03:19] <djm62> MMond: apt-get install --reinstall packagenames
[03:19] <Amaranth> mahmoud: Find it in Synaptic and choose to install it.
[03:19] <Amaranth> tizen: Not easily, no.
[03:20] <djm62> MMond: I'd suggest xserver-xorg for starters
[03:20] <muwu> tizen, install on a separate partition..
[03:20] <MMond> djm62: So it's really the window manager that is not working?
[03:20] <muwu> dual boot.
[03:20] <MMond> Hmm
[03:20] <MMond> I'm confused . . . please realize, that I am a nub at Linux
[03:20] <tizen> good idea
[03:20] <djm62> MMond: oh! damn...xserver-xfree86 for you
[03:20] <tizen> I'll see how it goes
[03:20] <LinuxJones> MMond, if you select vesa as the video driver you will probably be ok unless you selected some setting for say monitor refresh that isn't supported for your monitor in Linux
[03:20] <JaGWiRE`> SO, how do I edit boot/grub/menu.lst
[03:20] <JaGWiRE`> ?
[03:20] <darcy> mm back
[03:21] <muwu> Also, it's kinda annoying when your desktop crashes, and you have to manually close all the kde/gnome stuff left behind.... :(
[03:21] <MMond> LinuxJones: I'm on a 266 mhz laptop that's about 7 years old
[03:21] <Scuddie> Let me make it more clear by example:  /ntfs/fs2/ is where fs2 is.  However, It is NTFS and I can't write to it.  So instead I make ~/fs2 to put all the files.  I don't mirror the files, that is impractical.  But I want to point /ntfs/fs2 to my ~/fs2 DIR, so that everything executed there will see all the files.
[03:21] <Scuddie> Am I confusing myself?
[03:21] <darcy> universe turned on, vlc installed, but trying to play a disc makes for a very choppy and scrambled video window.
[03:21] <LinuxJones> MMond, that's old :)
[03:21] <muwu> MMond, have you tried smallLinux?
[03:21] <darcy> fixed my speed/response problems.
[03:21] <djm62> MMond: at the command line, if you type "sudo apt-get install --reinstall PACKAGE" where PACKAGE is the affected package
[03:21] <mahmoud> what repository should i add to get the smp kernel?
[03:21] <MMond> muwu: Nope . . .
[03:21] <muwu> Ubuntu isn't really designed for 266... especially if you trying to run KDE/GNOME
[03:21] <djm62> Scuddie: I think it isn't easily possible, what you suggest
[03:21] <MMond> djm62: Yes, but what do I need to reinstall exactly? Gnome? A window-manager?
[03:22] <darcy> ubuntu speed on my ibook was directly related to it auto grabbing my router's ip and making it a DNS. Took that line out, and bingo...whole system just wakes up
[03:22] <Amaranth> mahmoud: It's in main.
[03:22] <darcy> it keeps going back in there every time you log in though, so it's very annoying.
[03:22] <Amaranth> mahmoud: What processors do you have
[03:22] <Amaranth> ?
[03:22] <djm62> MMond: I'm not sure...it depends on your personal problem
[03:22] <Yuffster> Anyone know how to get an Ubuntu system to recognize my ethernet card? >_>;
[03:22] <Strog> Scuddie: So you want to symlink it or you need to have some write access too?
[03:22] <mahmoud> intel P4 3.00GHz HT
[03:22] <djm62> darcy: hmph
[03:23] <muwu> Mmond, try featherlinux, puppy...
[03:23] <MMond> djm62: heh.. have a look at http://gsnsinc.com/mond/ul2/dled/log.txt then and maybe help? :x
[03:23] <Scuddie> How does a symlink work?
[03:23] <muwu> It's really not comfortable trying to run KDE/Gnome/Englightenment on a 266...
[03:23] <LinuxJones> MMond, did you ever apt-get upgrade
[03:23] <Yuffster> Arrrgh, I'm just about to just switch back to XP. ;_;
[03:24] <Amaranth> mahmoud: You want the linux-686-smp package.
[03:24] <muwu> You need at least CPU =300mhz RAM=128 for Gnome and something more for KDe
[03:24] <Scuddie> I want write access, but not to the NTFS filesystem.  It reads from NTFS, and writes to the real directory.
[03:24] <Strog> It's a pointer to another file/directory that looks like it's where ever you create it instead of the original location. It's still pointint to the original file/directory
[03:24] <djm62> MMond: : still not entirely sure
[03:24] <Xenguy> Scuddie: kinda like a 'shortcut' as it were
[03:24] <Strog> not symlink then. ;-)
[03:24] <EvilSporkMan> will GNOME get out of the way nicely if i start working on development (compiling, etc.)? I currently use IceWM because this computer can't handly GNOME at all and I'm concerned about performance
[03:24] <MMond> Yes, almost everyday before it all crashed down (about 2 days ago . . . when I turned off the laptop physically pressing the "off" button . . . at start-up it forced me to do "fsck" and I essentially pressed "y" throughout the whole thing . . . after that, I couldn't start X properly)
[03:25] <muwu> Icewm is perfectly fine... it's very useable...
[03:25] <mahmoud> I can't find the 686-smp package in Synaptic. Any suggested repository??
[03:25] <djm62> MMond: I'd try xserver-xfree86 and gdm
[03:25] <Strog> djm62: what kind of bargaining chip?
[03:25] <Scuddie> Yes, I think I understand.  But locally I want to overwrite the files, will that work with symlinks?
[03:25] <EvilSporkMan> muwu: yes, i like icewm, but I'm obviously switching to GNOME as I go to Ubuntu
[03:25] <djm62> Yuffster: Arrrgh, I'm just about to just switch back to XP. ;_;
[03:25] <JaGWiRE`> Mm
[03:26] <JaGWiRE`> I opened /boot/grub/menu.lst and have no clue what to change to make it boot to xp by default
[03:26] <EvilSporkMan> oh, I'd like to start compiling/testing stuff for AMD64...is there still a need for that sort of thing?
[03:26] <JaGWiRE`> Anyone wanna be nice and tell me what to do? Gotta go soon cause parents want to use windows and they'll bug me what to do if its on the boot screen..
[03:26] <Amaranth> EvilSporkMan: For breezy, yeah.
[03:26] <muwu> How could gnome file manager crash while transferring 20 gig worth of stuff~?
[03:26] <djm62> MMond: "sudo apt-get install --reinstall xserver-xfree86 gdm"
[03:26] <MMond> I'll try that, djm62 , thanks
[03:26] <Amaranth> muwu: How could it not? :)
[03:26] <Slaven> Heya.
[03:27] <EvilSporkMan> Amaranth: does that mean I ought to be installing breezy, or will I end up working on it in a chroot?
[03:27] <djm62> JaGWiRE`: um....the line that says "default" and a number...that's the order of the file, counting from zero
[03:27] <Amaranth> EvilSporkMan: If you actually want to test running things you should be on breezy.
[03:27] <Amaranth> EvilSporkMan: The buildds handle compiling.
[03:27] <mahmoud> Amaranth: I can't find the 686-smp package in Synaptic. Any suggested repository??
[03:27] <JaGWiRE`> Djm, then what number is xp?
[03:27] <Amaranth> mahmoud: linux-686-smp is in main.
[03:27] <Slaven> Is there a way to change like xinerama and such options from within xfree86 or do you have to restart the whole server for every change in thoose settings?
[03:28] <djm62> JaGWiRE`: depends on your file...paste it in #flood
[03:28] <lampshade> Hey, is there a quick way to change the resolution for EVERYONE on Ubuntu?  And have it stay that way?  I keep logging out and then back in and the resolution has reverted back.  Do I need to mod the xorg.conf or is there a tool to do it?
[03:28] <muwu> sigh.. I mean it's just a simple file transfer.. I guess I will try my luck with CLI :(
[03:28] <Amaranth> lampshade: You need to modify xorg.conf
[03:29] <EvilSporkMan> Amaranth: and breezy is still 6 months away, right? so are we talking unusable or Hoary + changes?
[03:29] <Scuddie> I mean like this:  To read, look in ~/fs2 for files.  Also look in /ntfs/fs2 for files.  ~/fs2 takes precedence of file existance.  Write output to ~/fs2, overwrite any file that exists.  Therefor, /ntfs/fs2 isn't touched.
[03:29] <Amaranth> lampshade: Find the SubSection "Display" entries and edit them so only the resolutions you want are there.
[03:29] <MMond> Heh.. uhm, it's telling me to insert the disc . . . I presume it's asking precisely for the disc I installed Ubuntu with . . . but seemingly, it either doesn't detect or it's not the right disc . . . and I think it's just no detecting it
[03:29] <Amaranth> EvilSporkMan: It means running a devel version of the distro, yes.
[03:30] <MMond> Do I need to mount things or anything? :x
[03:30] <cens0red> good moaning.
[03:30] <Amaranth> MMond: If you have broadband I'd disable getting packages from the CD.
[03:30] <Scuddie> Will a symlink do that?
[03:30] <mahmoud> Amaranth: It's not in main. (I only have the default repositories)
[03:30] <JaGWiRE`> Pasted
[03:30] <JaGWiRE`> :)
[03:30] <JaGWiRE`> djm62,
[03:30] <djm62> yeah...still coming through here
[03:31] <SkyNet> Amaranth, if we disable the cd source is there a problem?
[03:31] <Slaven> cause I want to be able to like change from twinview to cloned screen without rebooting the server.
[03:31] <Slaven> is this at all possible?
[03:31] <lampshade> Amaranth, so does that tool just change the resolution just for the current session?  The gnome menu one?
[03:31] <Amaranth> mahmoud: restricted is default too and I know it's in one of those. It's "linux-686-smp" not "686-smp"
[03:31] <muwu> FUCK~! I deleted stuff off my new parition... forgetting that I have used "mv" instead of "cp"
[03:31] <muwu> what should I do?
[03:31] <EvilSporkMan> Amaranth: let me rephrase...does devel mean broken? I'm not familiar with ubuntu defintions of stable, and debian unstable is like gentoo stable so i have no basis for deduction
[03:31] <Amaranth> SkyNet: Nope, just means all your packages come off the internet.
[03:31] <SkyNet> Amaranth, ok im on a fast link
[03:31] <djm62> 0_0
[03:31] <Amaranth> EvilSporkMan: It'll be a wild ride, that's for sure. :)
[03:32] <MMond> Amaranth: How can I do that? (Remember, I'm on complete CLI)
[03:32] <Scuddie> So doesn anyone have a solution?
[03:32] <muwu> hmm.. Thanks God.. because of the file manager error.. it didn't actually performe delete part of the "mv"
[03:32] <EvilSporkMan> Amaranth: oh joy. new AMD64 box, new distro, unstable version <g>
[03:32] <Amaranth> EvilSporkMan: Depends on your definition of "broken". breezy is about to transition from gcc3.3 to gcc4 for C++ which will have some bumps if you use C++ programs or libraries
[03:32] <muwu> damn.. I am keep forgetting the danger of using "rm" "mv" NO undo.
[03:33] <Amaranth> MMond: I forgot what you needed help with, I'm talking to too many people. :)
[03:33] <Amaranth> oh, ok
[03:33] <JaGWiRE`> Djm62, you see it?
[03:33] <djm62> JaGWiRE`: default 3
[03:33] <JaGWiRE`> k.
[03:33] <djm62> wow, that took /ages/
[03:33] <EvilSporkMan> Amaranth: well, it has to have gaim, a web browser, ssh, and some form of mpc, preferably gmpc. I'll hold off on burning the DVDs for a bit ;)
[03:33] <Amaranth> MMond: sudo vim (or nano, whatever) /etc/apt/sources.list and add a # on the front of the first line.
[03:33] <JaGWiRE`> djm62
[03:33] <JaGWiRE`> thats the one that has default at 0
[03:33] <JaGWiRE`> right?
[03:34] <Amaranth> EvilSporkMan: I don't think DVDs for breezy exist.
[03:34] <djm62> JaGWiRE`: yeah...change the 0 to a 3
[03:34] <Scuddie> djm62:  Do you think a symlink will be sufficient for the example I described?
[03:34] <JaGWiRE`> k
[03:34] <JaGWiRE`> brb, gonna reboot
[03:34] <Amaranth> MMond: Save that file, run sudo apt-get update, now all your packages come off the internet.
[03:34] <djm62> Scuddie: it sounds like not...you have a quite complicated thing
[03:34] <Amaranth> EvilSporkMan: gaim, firefox, and ssh all work for me, at least for now.
[03:35] <MMond> Amaranth: First line is uncommented
[03:35] <MMond> I remember doing that once before, actually
[03:35] <Scuddie> I would have figured it would be somewhat easy to answer.  It's just a redirect :\ :\
[03:35] <Amaranth> EvilSporkMan: In a couple weeks things will be a bit hectic, after that's over we'll almost be smooth sailing (unless you use universe, that might not even finish the transition)
[03:35] <Randall64> hi
[03:35] <Amaranth> MMond: Comment it out with a #
[03:35] <Randall64> Wow!  I didn't have to register my ssn to speak on this network!
[03:36] <muwu> Will the next gnome version come with better bluetooth integration?
[03:36] <mahmoud> I only have the 383 packages. it's weird but the Linux-686-smp is not there
[03:36] <Amaranth> Randall64: Err, why would you have to do that?
[03:36] <MMond> Oh, comment it . . . alright, thanks
[03:36] <Randall64> Amaranth: It seems to be common enough on this network.
[03:36] <Amaranth> mahmoud: You have main and restricted turned on?
[03:36] <djm62> you want to pretend to write to a non-writeable filesystem...it's doable (some liveCDs pretend to be writeable), but I have no idea how in everyday usage
[03:36] <EvilSporkMan> Amaranth: figures...i can't work on this very much for about 2 more weeks - AP tests =)
[03:36] <Randall64> Anyone know when or if multilib will be supported?
[03:36] <Amaranth> Randall64: You are spreading FUD.
[03:37] <djm62> muwu: it probably won't get worse ;)
[03:37] <Amaranth> EvilSporkMan: The fun won't begin for about 2 more weeks.
[03:37] <muwu> djm62, yes.. :(
[03:37] <Scuddie> Did you see my last example?
[03:37] <Amaranth> EvilSporkMan: It'll probably take a month for the fun to end. :)
[03:37] <djm62> Scuddie: can you repeat it...I was briefly off-channel
[03:37] <muwu> KDe-bluetooth is actually pretty nice.. really impressive (though it's pain in the ass to bind and release rfcomm0 everytime I had to do file transfer)
[03:37] <EvilSporkMan> Amaranth: great - I need something to do if I can't get dates this summer =P
[03:38] <djm62> muwu: genuinely, it will get better...it's a question of how much, how fast
[03:38] <muwu> EvilSporkMan, hmm.. you are here chatting with bunch of nerds in IRC.. ON FRIDAY.. good luck getting that date.
[03:38] <Scuddie> To read, look in ~/fs2 for files, then look in /ntfs/fs2 for files.  if file exists in ~/fs2, don't read the said file from /ntfs/fs2.  Write output to ~/fs2, overwrite any file that exists.  Therefor, /ntfs/fs2 isn't touched.
[03:39] <muwu> EvilSporkMan, you can imagine me as a sexy asian chick..
[03:39] <MMond> http://gsnsinc.com/mond/ul2/dled/history1.txt :x
[03:40] <occy> Man... I wish there was a CSS based IRC client for Linux
[03:40] <MMond> My God I'm an idiot.. sorry, I thought the history was going to be the literal apparent terminal history, rather than the command history
[03:40] <EvilSporkMan> muwu: uh, i think i'll pass =P. and i'm chatting with nerds because the girl i have from mind isn't home from college yet?
[03:40] <Randall64> occy: How would that work?
[03:40] <muwu> :)
[03:40] <occy> Randall64: check out colloquy.info
[03:41] <occy> they do super sweet themeing with CSS and the IRC client
[03:41] <muwu> man, I have to get back to studying for finals... so boring.... anyways.... More humanity to you guys..
[03:41] <occy> but it's for MacOSX
[03:41] <djm62> Scuddie: I see exactly what you want...but I don't think it's easily doable
[03:42] <Scuddie> Hmmm...
[03:42] <darcy> SQL_Sam: do you have time to help me with VLC/libdvdcss2 ?
[03:42] <Scuddie> Well, ok.  So basicly the best way to interact with NTFS is not at all?
[03:43] <lampshade> Amaranth, is it in xorg.conf that I change the refresh rate?  For all users?
[03:43] <JaGWiRE`> Whats the file I gotta change again for grub loading stage stuff?
[03:43] <Randall64> ugh, colloguy even calls irc channels "rooms"
[03:43] <Amaranth> lampshade: Oh, refresh rate?
[03:43] <djm62> Scuddie: essentially, its mysterious and unknown for legal reasons, so yes.  next best is to read only, third best is to use this "captive" thing
[03:43] <Amaranth> lampshade: I should you said resolution. Refresh rate is edittable in xorg.conf but I don't know how.
[03:44] <lampshade> Amaranth, well I needed to change res too, so I just did that, but now I'm curious about refresh rate since I saw nothing in xorg.conf about it
[03:44] <djm62> Scuddie: well...absolute best is to only use microsoft-owned or certified software, at all times ;)
[03:44] <Scuddie> haha
[03:44] <JaGWiRE`> Sode? Sodu?
[03:44] <JaGWiRE`> Whats cmd I was using earlier?
[03:44] <Scuddie> OK then. :P
[03:44] <djm62> not to mention designed for XP hardware
[03:45] <Amaranth> lampshade: It's something that xorg automatically figures out unless you tell it your horiz and vert sync or whatever and it gets a refresh rate from that.
[03:45] <JaGWiRE`> To acses and act like im administrator
[03:45] <mahmoud> Amaranth: I deleted the repositories then re added  them And i found the 686smp. Now witch package do I install? Restricted, headers or image?
[03:45] <JaGWiRE`> is it sodu?
[03:45] <djm62> Scuddie: what you're suggesting would belong in the kernel, which is what makes it difficult
[03:45] <Amaranth> mahmoud: linux-686-smp
[03:45] <Amaranth> mahmoud: That package, with that exact name.
[03:45] <JaGWiRE`> Guys.. what is that cmd?
[03:45] <Scuddie> I see.  Well, someone may know the answer...  somewhere...
[03:45] <Amaranth> JaGWiRE`: sudo
[03:45] <djm62> JaGWiRE`: sudo
[03:46] <Amaranth> JaGWiRE`: You're going to need this a lot, you should write it down.
[03:46] <raydogg> how come when i add /dev/sda1 to my fstab, it doesn't mount on bootup, the ide drives do tho...
[03:46] <djm62> JaGWiRE`: DO as the SuperUser
[03:46] <raydogg> but i can mount at the shell prompt
[03:46] <Randall64> hah, colloquy is just silly
[03:46] <djm62> JaGWiRE`: SuperUserDO
[03:46] <EvilSporkMan> Amaranth: think i'll be able to actually get anything done with breezy or should i wait for the next cycle?
[03:46] <RandallCQY> "You fiend," quothe unix Randall.
[03:46] <mahmoud> Amaranth: Thanks. I'm downloading them. Do I need to do anything after installing other than reboot?
[03:47] <Burgundavia> EvilSporkMan, breezy just started
[03:47] <Amaranth> mahmoud: Reboot should do it. After you reboot run uname -a and see if it shows you running the smp kernel.
[03:47] <EvilSporkMan> Burgundavia: and I just built my first AMD64 machine and today marks the start of me using ubuntu
[03:48] <Randall64> Evil: Wait until you need some 32-bit only software.
[03:48] <Burgundavia> EvilSporkMan, what is the issue?
[03:48] <Amaranth> I'm such a geek. It's friday night and instead of going out drinking I'm helping so many people I can't keep track of them all and trying to work on BitTorrent 4.0.1. :)
[03:48] <EvilSporkMan> Burgundavia: whether to use Hoary or Breezy...incidentally, is there a separate install CD for Breezy or do I just change stuff in sources.list?
[03:48] <Burgundavia> EvilSporkMan, 64 bits works only for Apple right now. both linux and window 64 are different
[03:48] <theColonelCA> hi all... I'm a nOOb to ubuntu... I'm having difficulty getting past a couple of points in the install... it fails when I detecting any of my partitions... i bypass this by manually mount /target from a shell... this works, the packages install... but i can
[03:48] <Burgundavia> EvilSporkMan, too new for cds
[03:49] <theColonelCA> 't get any farther than app-config ...
[03:49] <EvilSporkMan> Burgundavia: so either way i have to install hoary...gotcha
[03:49] <Burgundavia> EvilSporkMan, I would stay with hoary until at least mid may
[03:49] <Randall64> Anyone ETA for multilib support on ubuntu?
[03:49] <theColonelCA> sorry: trying to install hoary on an athlon xp pc
[03:50] <Burgundavia> randabis, multilib support?
[03:50] <raydogg> why would /dev/sda1 not mount in fstab, but works when i use the mount command?
[03:50] <darcy> djm62: I downloaded Real player, it came in as a .bin file. What do I do with it?
[03:50] <Amaranth> Burgundavia: Running x86 apps on amd64
[03:50] <Burgundavia> ahh
[03:50] <Amaranth> Randall64: You mean for breezy?
[03:50] <smouche> Amaranth, look at the RealPlayer instructions on www.ubuntuguide.org
[03:50] <djm62> darcy: chmod +x file.bin&&./file.bin
[03:50] <Amaranth> Randall64: If it doesn't work in hoary there isn't much that can be done, hoary is frozen.
[03:50] <Amaranth> smouche: ?
[03:50] <ctrlER> oh shit... i just did rm script * instead of rm script*
[03:50] <Randall64> Amaranth: I mean for ubuntu.
[03:51] <mainer> colonelca: www.ubuntuguide.org
[03:51] <Amaranth> Randall64: Sure, but we have different versions.
[03:51] <smouche> sorry Amaranth
[03:51] <ctrlER> there went my home dir
[03:51] <djm62> darcy: possibly using sudo...
[03:51] <EvilSporkMan> ctrlER: I hate it when that happens
[03:51] <smouche> I meant that for darcy
[03:51] <Randall64> Amaranth: doesn't concern me atm
[03:51] <EvilSporkMan> ctrlER: recommend alias rm="rm -i" next time
[03:51] <smouche> darcy : www.ubuntuguide.org
[03:51] <Amaranth> Randall64: Then you won't be finding much help.
[03:51] <ctrlER> EvilSporkMan, ?
[03:51] <Burgundavia> EvilSporkMan, should be on by default
[03:52] <darcy> djm62: it says, "cannot execute binary file"
[03:52] <Amaranth> rm -i asks you if you're sure
[03:52] <MMond> I was suggested that I upgrade to Hoary to correct the problems with X . . . I fail to see how they could help this situation. Usually, an upgrade upgrades . . . not correct things. Any explanations, please?
[03:52] <darcy> thanks smouche, I'll visit
[03:52] <Randall64> Amaranth: Is there an ubuntu channel, where people might know about more than their favorite version?
[03:52] <EvilSporkMan> ctrlER: putting that in your .bashrc or .bash_profile makes rm ask before deleting stuff...doesn't help much if you always type rm -f
[03:52] <Traderjb> Can anyone recommend a wifi card that would work with Ubuntu?
[03:52] <EvilSporkMan> Traderjb: PCMCIA or PCI/
[03:52] <Burgundavia> Traderjb, dlink 650+ works ootb
[03:52] <Burgundavia> Traderjb, that is pcmcia
[03:52] <Amaranth> Randall64: This is the Ubuntu channel for all versions. You haven't stated what version you're using so it's hard to even attempt to help.
[03:53] <djm62> darcy: after you do chmod +x and it shows up green in ls?
[03:53] <darcy> djm62: after +x,  yes
[03:53] <djm62> MMond: your problem is random missing files
[03:53] <Randall64> Amaranth: Do I also need to tell you how large I plan to make my /boot filesystem?
[03:53] <darcy> oh, were those 2 commands or one line that you first gave me?
[03:54] <mainer> traderjb:  www.linux-compatible.com
[03:54] <djm62> darcy: 2 commands as one line...split them up if you like (&& is just a joining bit of punctuation)
[03:54] <MMond> djm62: How can I "get them?" A complete reinstall?
[03:54] <Amaranth> Randall64: No, that isn't needed. Go ask someone for help with Windows 3.11 but just tell them you're using "Windows". Anything they tell you won't be helpful because they didn't know what version you were using.
[03:55] <djm62> MMond: we have no idea what they are, but a substantial reinstall, or an upgrade would replace them all, most likely
[03:55] <smouche> To answer Randall64
[03:55] <smouche> oops
[03:55] <Randall64> Amaranth: All I want to know is if/ when multilib will appear in ubuntu.  The details aren't important.
[03:55] <smouche> To answer Randall64 's odd question:  yes there's an #ubuntu channel, this is it
[03:55] <Traderjb> The link seems to point to a site under construction.
[03:55] <Amaranth> Randall64: Anyway, hoary is stable so if something doesn't work there isn't much that can be done there. Someone is working on the i386 libs for breezy but afaik aren't there yet.
[03:55] <Amaranth> Randall64: Yes, in at least hoary.
[03:56] <smouche> and there's a #kubuntu channel, for those using kde
[03:56] <theColonelCA> does anyone know why app-get configuration may fail during the install (I haven't found any docs on this in the guides or forums)
[03:56] <MMond> Perhaps as a whole, if I reinstall one bigger package . . . that handles lots of things and the dependencies are marked to levels of many branches . . . it would then install/upgrade?
[03:56] <Amaranth> Randall64: Not sure about warty, I only ran it for 2 months and don't have an AMD64 machine.
[03:56] <Traderjb> I would like to purchase a pci wifi card that doesn't need all this fiddling with ndiswrapper (which I am trying to figure out).
[03:56] <djm62> MMond: sadly no...the dependencies are already in the database
[03:57] <djm62> MMond: you can take the top of the pyramid off without dismantling the pyramid, even though it depends on the rest
[03:57] <ircbot_> b2s: you around?
[03:57] <darcy> damn, I keep getting "cannot execute binary file" errors when I try to sudo ./file.bin even after it's been chmod'ed to +x
[03:58] <Amaranth> darcy: The file is messed up.
[03:58] <Amaranth> darcy: Try to redownload it, see if that helps.
[03:58] <darcy> it's done this on two separate files. One I downloaded via firefox, and one using wget from ubuntuguide.org instructions
[03:58] <darcy> same result on both
[03:58] <fazer> hmm, how do I run openbox with gnome all together?
[03:58] <djm62> MMond: if you're in console anyway, you could aptitude remove xserver-xfree86 and then aptitude install abiword, to take /everything/ off and then reinstall it
[03:58] <Amaranth> darcy: Does sudo sh file.bin work?
[03:58] <ctrlER> darcy, same problem her, sudo doesent support that...
[03:59] <darcy> ctrlER: so I should do it without sudo?
[03:59] <Randall64> well, thanks
[03:59] <ctrlER> dont know... newbie to...
[03:59] <darcy> ctrlER: yeah, even with ./file.bin it's the same error
[03:59] <darcy> weird
[03:59] <turkey_joe> i installed ipodder and i get this error message "ImportError: No module named wx". Can someone help me with this?
[03:59] <MMond> To take /everything/ off and then reinstall it? You've left me incredibly confused . . . :x
[04:00] <ctrlER> darcy, u can copy it to /usr/sbin
[04:00] <darcy> ill try
[04:00] <ctrlER> and then it will be in your path
[04:00] <ctrlER> worked for me
[04:00] <djm62> MMond: if you just use --reinstall, it doesn't need to remove all of the dependent packages...so it won't reinstall them cleanly
[04:00] <ctrlER> but its not pretty
[04:00] <Amaranth> turkey_joe: Install the libwxgtk2.5.3-python package.
[04:00] <darcy> bash: /usr/sbin/RealPlayer10GOLD.bin: cannot execute binary file
[04:00] <turkey_joe> ok..thanks.
[04:01] <Scuddie> Well...  That was unpleasant.
[04:01] <darcy> -rwxr-xr-x   1 darcy darcy 5787204 2005-04-22 19:49 RealPlayer10GOLD.bin
[04:01] <djm62> MMond: if you do "aptitude remove xserver-xfree86" it will remove everything that uses X...all graphics stuff
[04:01] <ctrlER> darcy, type sudo realplayer10Gold.bin
[04:01] <Scuddie> It's only been 8 running hours, and linux already gave me a hard crash.
[04:01] <ctrlER> darcy, type sudo RealPlayer10Gold.bin
[04:01] <MMond> Alright . . . then that is what I should do? Sounds like a complete reinstall will set things set straight
[04:01] <darcy> darcy@muse:~/downloads$ sudo RealPlayer10GOLD.bin
[04:01] <darcy> /usr/sbin/RealPlayer10GOLD.bin: /usr/sbin/RealPlayer10GOLD.bin: cannot execute binary file
[04:02] <djm62> MMond: if  you then do aptitude install ubuntu-desktop...you'll get a fresh install of eerything
[04:02] <smouche> darcy, just a shot in the dark, but you might try open a root terminal in the directory where you downloaded the file, instead of using sudo
[04:02] <djm62> MMond: which sounds to me workable...and remarkably similar to what I did in a similar position with debian
[04:02] <ctrlER> darcy, see if someone here can help u... its beiond my knowledge
[04:02] <darcy> smouche: good idea, i'll try
[04:02] <ircbot_> anyone use jabber?  i've got a pretty measly buddy list that i'm trying to add to
[04:02] <djm62> darcy: you definitely have the PPC version?
[04:02] <Levander> Is it a problem that my blank CD is mounted when graveman tries to write to it?
[04:02] <MMond> So . . . "aptitude remove xserver-xfree86" and then "apt-tude install ubuntu-desktop" exactly? o.o
[04:03] <darcy> djm62: oh, didn't check. I just grabbed it from realone.com doh!
[04:03] <djm62> :-D
[04:03] <ircbot_> Levander: probably so
[04:03] <darcy> habit of auto os detection from that site
[04:04] <djm62> MMond: yeah....I think
[04:04] <darcy> djm62: gotta find it now. :)
[04:04] <djm62> it will take some time, but everything will be sorted
[04:04] <smouche> darcy, I don't know, but maybe the Helix site might have some insights...
[04:04] <djm62> darcy: yes...google helix realplayer
[04:04] <djm62> darcy: it should be a nice gtk2 app compiled for linux/PPC
[04:05] <Levander> ircbot_: actually, i don't think it is mounted, just thought it was because when I put the blank CD in, gnome put that icon on my desktop that means it's mounted a removable media.  However, I ran the mount command and it's not listed in there.
[04:05] <djm62> darcy: https://helixcommunity.org/project/showfiles.php?group_id=154
[04:05] <ircbot_> Levander: yeah i don't think it can mount a blank cdr... no file system... i'm not thinking much atm though
[04:06] <djm62> kurwa...3am here
[04:06] <djm62> am I about to completely ignore anyone if I go to smoke'n'sleep?
[04:06] <Amaranth> djm62: Helix Player is worthless.
[04:06] <Levander> ircbot_: well, first time I tried to write this iso, graveman gave me an error dialog saying "operation failed".  However, try #2, it appears to be successfully writing to the CD.
[04:06] <djm62> Amaranth: it works for me...everything's ultimately worthless
[04:06] <SkyNet> how can i locate the dir where an application is installed?
[04:07] <Amaranth> djm62: It doesn't include the Real codecs which is the only reason to use Real over Totem or vlc.
[04:07] <djm62> Amaranth: but it's nice to hear other opinions ;)
[04:07] <ircbot_> hey what port does esd bind to by default?
[04:07] <Levander> Anybody's tried the rescue disk feature of the hoary install CD?
[04:07] <Levander> how good is it?
[04:07] <djm62> Amaranth: the version of real which is based on helix is a pretty good example of writing for linux
[04:08] <djm62> writing _commercial_ software for linux, that is...which some people will never see as legitimate
[04:08] <smouche> I agree, djm62.
[04:08] <fazer> Isn't there already commerical software for Linux?
[04:08] <Amaranth> djm62: Yeah, RealPlayer is awesome because it's a slick app that supports Real files, but without that it's just a slick video playing app in a sea of many that are better.
[04:08] <nickrud> there's nothing wrong with commercial. me, I'm just cheap.
[04:09] <Levander> lol nick
[04:09] <nickrud> Hey Levander
[04:09] <smouche> I only use Realplayer 'cause the BBC has decided not to stream .ogg
[04:09] <smouche> the bastards!
[04:09] <Levander> everything i've on the box i'm using, i've downloaded for free off the net!
[04:09] <djm62> Amaranth: they're also doing the Right Thing(tm) wrt providing a PPC build as well...don't see that from macromedia
[04:09] <nickrud> and no, I haven't and hope to never :)
[04:09] <jintxo> fazer, definitely... things like oracle, domino, websphere, etc etc
[04:09] <Levander> hey nick
[04:09] <eric222> hi all.  I have sound woring fine on my HP laptop and I also have sound when pluging in my Xitel HiFi-Link USB.  Question:  is there a way to make the HiFi-Link the default audio output when I plug it into my USB?
[04:09] <SQL_Sam> anyone know why i would get connection is refused when trying to get into swat?
[04:10] <Amaranth> djm62: Not hard when your community provides you with a PPC build of Helix Player and your app is just Helix Player + codecs. ;)
[04:10] <djm62> Amaranth: still a lot harder than _not_ doing it, which is the default
[04:10] <treitter> I'm sure this isn't news, but I'm curious what people think of this: http://people.warp.es/~jorge/blog/?p=38
[04:10] <smouche> yes, Amaranth -- smart move with no downside for Real!
[04:11] <somuchfortheafte> hello everyone
[04:11] <ircbot_> hi there
[04:11] <somuchfortheafte> dam the r is missing
[04:11] <djm62> Amaranth: I think they're genuinely close to "getting it", seeing as the helix community by definition doesn't mind their work going into realplayer
[04:11] <somuchfortheafte> o well
[04:11] <smouche> unfortunately, it can dilute the need for radio streaming sites to offer .ogg etc
[04:11] <somuchfortheafte> does anyone here know how to get wlan-ng drivers working in ubuntu
[04:12] <ircbot_> i not only prefer free stuff, but also OSS stuff
[04:12] <ircbot_> if not OSS then stolen for not being OSS
[04:12] <djm62> I prefer Free, OSS, and free in that order
[04:13] <nickrud> djm62, I don't think anyone can disagree with that
[04:13] <smouche> Real should just free up their codecs.  Wouldn't that be nice...
[04:13] <djm62> if only they were a hardware vendor
[04:14] <nickrud> lol
[04:14] <Amaranth> treitter: It's ok, Ubuntu stole the idea from http://www.scripps.org/ ;)
[04:14] <treitter> hah
[04:14] <djm62> skype also do linux/PPC builds, don't they
[04:15] <smouche> isn't hp making some moves in the direction of supporting linux?  think I heard that somewhere
[04:15] <SkyNet> yes djm62
[04:15] <djm62> smouche: hp sells laptops with pre-installed linux
[04:15] <djm62> smouche: and they've always been a major sponsor of http://handhelds.org
[04:15] <smouche> ah that's it, djm62!  (are these the ones at wallmart?)
[04:15] <nickrud> nx6110, I went and looked
[04:16] <smouche> I have to say, my new hp amd64 laptop has so far been the most linux friendly hardware I've tried, out of the box
[04:16] <djm62> and the "designed for XP" hp nx9020 worked completely OOTB for me
[04:16] <smouche> though I haven't tried wireless yet, so the jury's still out
[04:16] <djm62> maybe designed, but it's certainly never booted XP ;)
[04:17] <nickrud> smouche, I've been looking at a laptop, do you mind my asking what is was, and what doesn't work :)
[04:17] <SkyNet> how can i locate the dir where an application is installed? i tried with search but no go..
[04:17] <torpid> you guys wanna help me build my shuttle box?
[04:17] <torpid> great.
[04:17] <djm62> SkyNet: which appname
[04:17] <SkyNet> xchat
[04:17] <djm62> SkyNet: then type "which xchat" in the terminal
[04:17] <torpid> i'm going to be doing music production on my new box.  i think i'm gonna use windoze. :/
[04:18] <SkyNet> djm62, thanks
[04:18] <torpid> nothing of use besides ardour in linux, and even that is pretty limited when it comes to many functions.
[04:18] <nickrud> -L :)
[04:18] <smouche> nickrud, it's an hp pavilion zv5405us
[04:18] <torpid> SkyNet how did you search?
[04:18] <torpid> try /usr/bin/
[04:18] <kingsley> Which command reports a comprehensive profile of a file system's attributes?
[04:18] <SkyNet> torpid, nautilus
[04:18] <torpid> or /usr/local/bin
[04:18] <torpid> yeah that too.
[04:18] <SkyNet> its in /usr/bin
[04:18] <nickrud> smouche, thanks
[04:18] <SkyNet> thanks torpid
[04:19] <smouche> working: excellent video, but I haven't tried 3d or installed the binary
[04:19] <SkyNet> this chan is great all ppl are helping
[04:19] <smouche> nickrud, sound is superb
[04:19] <torpid> apparently you didn't search for it right.
[04:19] <somuchfortheafte> so i take it there is nobody here who uses prism2_cs drivers for their wifi card?
[04:19] <nickrud> sound ;)
[04:19] <SkyNet> torpid no i just thought that it would be in it own dir or something..
[04:19] <djm62> I predict linux sound taking off this year (functionality...I despair of predicting popularity)
[04:19] <imsdle> how do i check if my nic is working
[04:19] <imsdle> ?
[04:19] <somuchfortheafte> umm if your online its working
[04:19] <somuchfortheafte> also
[04:19] <nickrud> 3d would be nice, breezy :)
[04:20] <somuchfortheafte> ifconfig eth*whatever*
[04:20] <smouche> nickrud, some blogger did a series of reports on running ubuntu on this machine -- might be worth looking at
[04:20] <smouche> sorry I don't have the URL
[04:20] <somuchfortheafte> ping -c2 www.google.com
[04:20] <nickrud> where should I google
[04:20] <mikeco> i shouldst stab ati in the eye
[04:20] <djm62> now that we have the infrastructure and a couple of key apps...people have a flow to write components for
[04:21] <somuchfortheafte> i should stab the bastards that broke orinoco_cs drivers from being patched in hoary
[04:21] <somuchfortheafte> so many things require monitor mode
[04:21] <smouche> nickrud, unfortunately, I haven't really put all the hardware through its paces, don't know about wireless, or the card reader
[04:21] <mikeco> you could stab ati in the other eye
[04:21] <mikeco> they're already blind anyway
[04:21] <nickrud> yeah, the multimedia in linux is getting to the point it's worth having a fast machine
[04:21] <smouche> cpu throttling works like a dream, nickrud, my fan almost never comes on!
[04:22] <djm62> s///a flow for which to write components <----that is the sort of English, up with which I shall not put
[04:22] <mikeco> ...
[04:22] <nickrud> smouche, I'm used to getting extras to replace builtins :)
[04:22] <smouche> lol, nickrud!
[04:22] <nickrud> but battery life ....
[04:23] <djm62> gegl and gstreamer need maturity
[04:23] <ircbot_> smouche: what kind of lappy?
[04:23] <smouche> in that case, avoid kaffeine!  it locks up the cpu and won't let go ! (yeah, I'm a kde guy)
[04:23] <ircbot_> oh thanks for reminding me to remove kaffeine
[04:23] <smouche> ircbot_ , hp pavilion zv5405us, amd64
[04:24] <smouche> I'm running 32 bit kubuntu, though
[04:24] <ircbot_> taha... i have the hp pavilion zv5410us amd64
[04:24] <smouche> cool!
[04:24] <ircbot_> ah why?  amd64 kubuntu is the way to go
[04:24] <djm62> well....I have the hp lappy 486 ;)
[04:24] <ircbot_> well i went with ubuntu but still
[04:24] <nickrud> the difference in what you get now and what I started with is amazing
[04:24] <regeya> smouche, you have the weirdest problems
[04:24] <ircbot_> smouche: you said you haven't set up the wireless yet?
[04:24] <smouche> ircbot_ -- I am too linux-ignorant to be spending my time coping with chroot, for now, anyway
[04:25] <nickrud> Anyone remember october gnome?
[04:25] <mike998> is there a problem with the backports repositories for 5.04?
[04:25] <djm62> actually, I always mean to ask this...what hostnames do you all have?
[04:25] <smouche> nope, ircbot_ not using wireless yet -- you?
[04:25] <ircbot_> coping with chroot?  i haven't used chroot since i put ubuntu on this box
[04:25] <regeya> I mean, I've never had a lick of trouble with kaffeine
[04:25] <nickrud> aias
[04:25] <djm62> I remember october...but only in debian
[04:25] <ircbot_> smouche: haven't used it but i set it up... i wrote a wiki on doing it with amd64, but i dont guess you'll need that heh
[04:25] <djm62> at least, I think I do
[04:25] <nickrud> suse 6.3, my first install :)
[04:25] <regeya> and I'm running on oddball hardwavre (a via c3 ezra, for pete's sake)
[04:25] <nickrud> gnome 1.0.56 :)
[04:26] <regeya> and ifanyone shoudl be having problems, it should be me ;-)
[04:26] <smouche> ircbot_ -- maybe I'm thinking of the wrong command -- but I couldn't get some apps working with 64 bit os -- realplayer, for example
[04:26] <ircbot_> smouche: but if it's a clean install i'd suggest just installing the amd64 version as to take true advantage of your resources.
[04:26] <djm62> yeah....I only just remember it
[04:26] <smouche> thought I needed chroot, or something
[04:26] <mikeco> i remember that gnome
[04:26] <mikeco> twas a while ago
[04:26] <ircbot_> smouche: yeah some stuff doesn't really work... but so far, i've gotten real media to play via other players and i've gotten my stuff working
[04:26] <nickrud> ran on evoluuution
[04:26] <smouche> ircbot_ -- this machine is quicker and snappier than its owner!  I'm happy as is, for now
[04:26] <djm62> aias?
[04:26] <nickrud> hostname
[04:27] <mikeco> http://sunsite.bilkent.edu.tr/pub/GNOME/stable/releases/october-gnome/
[04:27] <mikeco> heh, 1999
[04:27] <mikeco> jesus
[04:27] <djm62> what does it mean?
[04:27] <ircbot_> smouche: well you can still use my howto on setting up ndiswrapper for your wireless... just ignore the amd64 stuff and it'll be work fine
[04:27] <mikeco> that seems a long time ago
[04:27] <djm62> google is unyielding on the name
[04:28] <smouche> how do you like the sound, ircbot_  - I'm pretty impressed with nVidia, and the speakers are decent for a lappy
[04:28] <ircbot_> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HowtoUseNdiswrapperOnAmd64Ubuntu smouche
[04:28] <nickrud> that's the original greek name for ajax, a warrior in the trojan war
[04:28] <djm62> ah...damn!
[04:28] <Levander> Has anybody found the option to use the hoary install CD as a rescue disk?
[04:28] <smouche> Thanks, ircbot_  I'll check your howto!
[04:28] <ircbot_> smouche: now that i got all my sound stuff pretty well configured to run through esd i'm happy
[04:28] <nickrud> started life as a greek major :)
[04:28] <djm62> should have taken a guess there, even without classical education
[04:28] <djm62> I know ajax
[04:28] <nickrud> ok, which one :)
[04:28] <ircbot_> hey any kde people... is artsd like esd for kde?
[04:28] <nickrud> there were two
[04:28] <imsdle> Ok i know im stupid but what is ppp0
[04:28] <ircbot_> kind of their version
[04:29] <ircbot_> ppp0 is your first ppp device
[04:29] <imsdle> im trying to connect my new flash love it ubuntu to my suckfull old windows network
[04:29] <djm62> nickrud: at this time of night...neither ;)
[04:29] <nickrud> heh
[04:29] <ircbot_> imsdle: via ethernet?
[04:29] <djm62> this machine is "feynman"
[04:29] <imsdle> yup... that or wishful thinking
[04:30] <djm62> putting me firmly on the other side of the divide ;)
[04:30] <nickrud> a big dumb ox who killed hector, and a sleazy opportunist
[04:30] <ircbot_> imsdle: then you need not worry about ppp at all... you need to worry about eth0
[04:30] <smouche> ircbot_  I have no clue what artsd really does on my machine -- all I know is sometimes I have to kill it when kaffeine gets weird
[04:30] <ircbot_> smouche: care if i PM you
[04:30] <mikeco> you should kill artsd anyway
[04:30] <ircbot_> i'll explain and won't hog the channel
[04:30] <mikeco> evil thing.
[04:30] <smouche> but I'm a sound ignoramus as well as linux-ignorant
[04:30] <imsdle> lol same smouche..
[04:30] <smouche> g'head, ircbot_
[04:30] <ircbot_> artsd is like esd right mikeco?
[04:31] <mikeco> a sound daemon?
[04:31] <mikeco> uh, yeah
[04:31] <nickrud> someone asked me if kde could use esd, or gnome arts. Is this possible
[04:31] <djm62> I know kde people were thinking of switching to gstreamer all round
[04:31] <mikeco> you can run esd in whatever you want basically
[04:32] <bignose-ork> nickrud: individual apps need to support the particular sound server
[04:32] <nickrud> another improvement on the old days
[04:32] <bignose-ork> nickrud: by requesting their sound services through it
[04:32] <mikeco> well, yeah
[04:32] <djm62> yeah..gstreamer is good tech
[04:32] <mikeco> but you can pipe most things to esd easily
[04:32] <djm62> and freedesktop has broadened the line in the sand
[04:32] <ircbot_> never really used artsd, but i like me some esd
[04:33] <djm62> I never liked KDE...purely irrational, I just never felt it was "right"
[04:33] <smouche> ircbot_ - excellent explanation! thanks
[04:33] <mikeco> it flickers too much
[04:33] <nickrud> again and again, luminocity over the whatever it was I built with jhbuild
[04:33] <nickrud> two answers there :)
[04:34] <ircbot_> i like kde
[04:34] <mikeco> i barely like gnome, or kde
[04:34] <ircbot_> but for some weird reason didn't use kubuntu
[04:34] <mikeco> i really like e and wmaker
[04:34] <regeya> if only dnd worked with ubuntu's wmaker
[04:34] <ircbot_> yeah i normally use blackbox
[04:34] <ircbot_> but on this box i always use gnome
[04:34] <ircbot_> maybe i'll get tired of it and decide to install blackbox
[04:34] <djm62> fluxbox for slow and old machines, otherwise gnome
[04:34] <smouche> kubuntu is excellent; hated kde before, the new version is very fast
[04:35] <ircbot_> kde has always run faster than gnome for me
[04:35] <mikeco> yeah, kde is faster, but still it bugs me, not sure
[04:35] <mikeco> but gnome is faster on this box
[04:35] <djm62> where "slow and old" means not running gnome fast enough for me
[04:35] <nickrud> and remember, slow is relative. Straightforward and fast enough works
[04:35] <mikeco> however, E is still my fave
[04:35] <regeya> the new version of kde is indeed fast, though it'd be nice if some things like kipi-plugins were ready to dump on the repos
[04:35] <ircbot_> i really don't like e at all
[04:35] <smouche> once I shut off the stupid f&*%*ing bouncing cursors, I was happy!
[04:35] <nickrud> evolution by itself made me a convert. Sliding desktops!!
[04:35] <mikeco> did you take the time to customize e?
[04:35] <regeya> I really was intrigued by E back in 1997.
[04:35] <ircbot_> smouche: you can say fucking in here
[04:36] <ircbot_> sliding desktops?
[04:36] <smouche> f&^8*ing keyboard!
[04:36] <nickrud> s/evolution/enlightenment/
[04:36] <djm62> enlightenment, even on a 266, was usable
[04:36] <smouche> it's my f&&^*(ing keybindings! ;-)
[04:36] <regeya> I seem to recall making a really ultra-nerdy lcars theme that I never shared with anyone then went back to using fvwm
[04:36] <nickrud> you grabbed a bar on the side of the screen, and slid partway with with the mouse, showing the next destop.
[04:37] <regeya> it was a cute trick but...meh.
[04:37] <smouche> ultra-nerdy and lcars -- reduncancy!
[04:37] <nickrud> I moved stuff between desktops that way all the time
[04:37] <Xeon3D> I'm looking for a gnome window list applet with support for transparency...
[04:37] <regeya> heh smouche
[04:37] <Xeon3D> does anyone know any?
[04:37] <mikeco> http://alexis.myphotos.cc/trans-e16.png
[04:37] <regeya> wmaker held my interest for a long time
[04:37] <djm62> wmaker was another "not quite right" for me
[04:38] <smouche> "reduncancy" -- that's when you have two class clowns sitting in the corner with funny hats on...
[04:38] <djm62> too high-concept, maybe
[04:38] <nickrud> lol, lcars
[04:38] <nickrud> slate was pretty, though
[04:38] <johan> Ubuntu=USA Nationalist against free trade?    http://www.cafepress.com/ubuntushop/
[04:38] <mikeco> e is just not in my face, which i like
[04:38] <ircbot_> fluxbox does the sliding desktops thing i do believe
[04:38] <regeya> djm62: heh, most people just say 'eww, ugly'
[04:38] <ircbot_> i wish gnome did that
[04:39] <djm62> then again...I've never "got" apple interfaces either, which must make me borderline inhuman
[04:39] <regeya> nickrud: I've changed a bit since 1997
[04:39] <regeya> nickrud: among other things, a better design sense
[04:39] <nickrud> haven't we all :)
[04:40] <nickrud> it was just d**m pretty
[04:40] <nickrud> and different
[04:40] <ircbot_> d**m?
[04:40] <ircbot_> you mean d**n?
[04:40] <mikeco> haha
[04:40] <djm62> ircbot_: wash your mouth out!
[04:40] <ircbot_> oh damn sorry
[04:40] <nickrud> looks like did good :)
[04:41] <mikeco> hm
[04:41] <smouche> "dorm pretty" ??
[04:41] <regeya> lcars was one of those things that for some reason always looked so neat on screen, and when you tried to emulate it, you realized, hm, it was a lousy interface design.
[04:41] <ircbot_> i've seen some ugly chicks in a dorm
[04:41] <nickrud> there is no such thing as a pretty dorm, try again
[04:41] <ircbot_> doom pretty
[04:41] <ircbot_> ?
[04:41] <nickrud> yeah, lcars lasted about 2 minutes
[04:42] <ircbot_> doom3 did look nice after all
[04:42] <smouche> Michael Dorm's prettier in klingon makeup.
[04:42] <ircbot_> even if the game did kind of suck
[04:42] <djm62> ok death time
[04:42] <McQuaid> hello, with the ubuntu install, can i say format an existing ext3 partition but not recreate partitions?
[04:42] <regeya> Dorn.
[04:42] <djm62> perchance to rub, aye there's the dream
[04:42] <djm62> night all
[04:42] <McQuaid> basically i don't want to muck with parted as I have some partition errors
[04:43] <discord> anyone know how to tell if speed step is active on your notebook?
[04:43] <Xeon3D> discord, try cat /proc/cpuinfo
[04:43] <ircbot_> hey smouche do you have your touchpad working properly like with the scroll bar and everything?
[04:44] <nickrud> regeya, yup, not him
[04:44] <discord> yeah thanks
[04:44] <discord> or cat /proc/cpufreq
[04:44] <smouche> ircbot_ not the scrollpad, no
[04:44] <smouche> you?
[04:44] <ircbot_> smouche: nah it's weird... i think hp must do something funky with them because it should work
[04:45] <smouche> and I have no idea how, or if, I can get the volume buttons etc working on here.
[04:45] <regeya> somewhere out there there's a gutenberg browser that doesn't suck.
[04:45] <ircbot_> hey on /proc/cpuinfo that cpu Mhz line... that should display my cpu speed right?
[04:45] <nickrud> regeya, no such animal.
[04:45] <nickrud> I've been looking for a long time
[04:46] <ircbot_> smouche: probably can, but i dunno... i haven't bothered... i bet you can do it like configuring dead keys on a keyboard
[04:46] <nickrud> bounty available, if you live anywhere in the western us
[04:46] <regeya> there's got to be a way.
[04:46] <sapelko> hi y'all!
[04:46] <sapelko> I'm new to ubuntu and I'd like to ask a multimedia-related question.
[04:46] <regeya> I'd be a fool to take on another project.  I just turned down a paying gig, in fact. :-}
[04:46] <nickrud> sapelko, you came to the right place
[04:47] <regeya> two in a week.  why can't these come to me when I'm *not* swamped?
[04:47] <McQuaid> if i install ubuntu on top of mandrake, will it know to delete the existing distro.  I want to do this without running parted
[04:47] <nickrud> inverse karma?
[04:47] <Absenth> good evening all.
[04:47] <regeya> heh
[04:47] <McQuaid> so basically i just want it to format the existing ext3 partition, not create/modify new partitions
[04:47] <sapelko> thx nickrud
[04:47] <smouche> regeya, that only happens to me with pretty women.  When it rains it pours, but it's usually a fucking sahara
[04:47] <regeya> LOL
[04:48] <sapelko> A couple of hours ago I tried listening to an audio stream...
[04:48] <Absenth> I don't suppose anyone knows if there are any 3d window managers that are beyond the "being discussed" phase?
[04:48] <sapelko> it was an .asx one, but I couldn't get it to work, I heard aviplay would handle that
[04:48] <sapelko> but I can't find it through synaptic... tried the command line also
[04:49] <sapelko> I've enabled multiverse and the likes
[04:49] <regeya> I've got people offering me cash to fix computers, and contracts to "webmaster."  I have time for neither and could use the cash...how the hell does that happen...anyway...sorry for the way O/T talk, and here in regeyaland it's bedtime...hasta, all.
[04:49] <drummer87> McQuaid: the installer should format the partitions, even if the partition table isn't changed.. there is also an option to format or preserve data when setting up partitions.
[04:49] <smouche> hmmm, sapelko, have you tried xine-ui ? don't know about .asx, though
[04:49] <biojayc> I'm really new to linux.  anyone mind telling me what Nautalis is?
[04:50] <Absenth> biojayc: Nautalis is kinda like windows explorer.
[04:50] <Absenth> biojayc: kinda.
[04:50] <smouche> biojayc, it is, I believe, the file manager for the gnome desktop
[04:50] <biojayc> is it basically the Windows Manager, similar to fluxbox?
[04:51] <biojayc> I'm reading about metacity, and I'm trying to find out exactly what it is.  it mentions that it's for gnome
[04:51] <Absenth> biojayc: no.  it's part of gnome.  Handles file management, and navigating the file system in a GUI.
[04:51] <biojayc> I'm trying to impove the look of my gnome desktop
[04:51] <biojayc> oh okay
[04:51] <smouche> it's not the window manager, no -- in gnome that's metacity -- with ubuntu anyway, I think
[04:51] <sapelko> smouche: xine-ui didn't work
[04:51] <sapelko> neither did mplayer
[04:51] <angrykeyboarder> http://www.gnome.org/projects/nautilus/
[04:51] <biojayc> okay thanx
[04:52] <sapelko> maybe it's something related to codecs, but I did try with w32codecs package...
[04:52] <sapelko> ... also to no avail
[04:52] <drummer87> hey, is it possible to boot my windows partition (on the same hd) while running ubutu?
[04:52] <nickrud> sapelko, you've just named everything I would try :)
[04:52] <smouche> lol, me too, sapelko
[04:52] <ircbot_> hey smouche you use jabber?
[04:52] <drummer87> like using vpn or something, but on the same machine
[04:52] <smouche> nope, ircbot_
[04:52] <sapelko> nickrud, that's what I thought to myself
[04:53] <nickrud> but, I did find this link so you should probably ask there:
[04:53] <smouche> ircbot_ that's on my looooong list of apps to try though
[04:53] <Absenth> drummer87; you could boot windows inside Ubuntu using something like vmware (expensive)
[04:53] <sapelko> biojayc, nautilus it's the equivalent of Windows Explorer on Win9x/ME/XP/2K
[04:53] <nickrud> http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_id=3438&style=flat&viewday=31&viewmonth=200405
[04:53] <sapelko> it's a File Manager, but also does some other nifty things, like putting Icons on the desktop on those windows managers that don't support it
[04:54] <smouche> sapelko -- could you have any multimedia apps perhaps tying things up?  Have you checked top for processes you might try killing?
[04:54] <Absenth> drummer87: I hear rumors of an open source VMware killer coming....  but I can't for the life of me remember what it was called.
[04:54] <smouche> one thing I liked about nautilus was the way it handles icons  and previews!
[04:54] <ircbot_> you should definitely start... and don't be lazy and get on jabber.org... go find another server as to help the jabber guys out
[04:55] <drummer87> Absenth: am trying to find a free or cheap way to do it.. but i think vmware installs windows virtually, on the / partition
[04:55] <drummer87> Absenth: there's plex86, but it's only experimental at the mo
[04:55] <Scuddie> Hmmm...
[04:55] <Absenth> drummer87: XEN is the name of the project I was thinking of.
[04:55] <nickrud> qemu or xen,
[04:55] <Scuddie> Who knows mount like the back of their hands?
[04:56] <drummer87> i'll have a look at those, thanks
[04:56] <Absenth> drummer87: What specifically would you like to do with your windows machine, while running linux?
[04:56] <cryptonome> Scuddie: I do. But as in the No Holds Barred Grappling way. Not drive mounting.
[04:57] <nickrud> nautilus, IF you can find them, does amazing things
[04:57] <lnxguy> drummer87: VMWare puts the virtual filesystem in your /home dir
[04:57] <Scuddie> cryptonome: Well then, I'll call you when I need help :p
[04:57] <drummer87> Absenth: run indesign CS, tv viewing app, games possibly
[04:58] <drummer87> anything that won't run in linux
[04:58] <smouche> I don't care for gnome, but nautilus is great.  I detest metacity though.
[04:58] <lnxguy> Scuddie: what is your mount question?
[04:59] <Absenth> so does anyone have a link to Xen?  The Xensource.com website just talks about what it is/ is going to be, but doesn't have a timetable, files, or anything remotely useful unless you're a big company banking on the technoligy :)
[04:59] <drummer87> http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/Research/SRG/netos/xen/index.html
[04:59] <Absenth> Nevermind, I think I found it.
[04:59] <Scuddie> lnxguy:  Well, you know how when a device is mounted, it makes the targeted directory's contents "disappear", as mounting places the device over the directory?  I'd like to know if it's possible to mount a device "under" the directory.
[05:00] <Burgundavia> Absenth, xen is a virtualization tech, to allow two or many OS to run on the same hardware
[05:00] <biojayc> how do I go about changing the interface of gnome?  I've seen several cool screenshots of very nice looking icons and stuff.  Is all of that done with a theme?
[05:00] <Burgundavia> Absenth, they are currently making it work in the mainline kernel, as the source is gpl
[05:00] <smouche> gotta go.  Time for my microwaved whitecastle hamburgers... see ya, ircbot_
[05:00] <nickrud> Scuddie, I read what you wanted a while ago, and you'll have to write a script at least :)
[05:00] <Burgundavia> Absenth, after that work is finished, it will be part of the mainline kernel, like other drivers
[05:00] <ircbot_> brb
[05:01] <Burgundavia> Absenth, how it does it, be my guest
[05:01] <Scuddie> So mounting wont work either, then...
[05:01] <Scuddie> rats.
[05:01] <nickrud> biojayc, art.gnome.org
[05:01] <biojayc> thanx
[05:01] <Absenth> Burgundavia: yeah, Xen sounds exactly like an opensource, and therefore badass project like what vmware does.
[05:01] <nickrud> np
[05:02] <Absenth> Burgundavia: that site looks like it's a bootable CD, that you can then load other os's onto.  And it sounds like the next Novel Linux distro will include Xen.
[05:02] <Burgundavia> Absenth, xen runs even lower than vmware
[05:02] <lnxguy> Scuddie: you can create a hard (inode) link to the filesystem's contents
[05:02] <Burgundavia> Absenth, novell is sponsoring it, I think
[05:02] <Burgundavia> Absenth, I think suse 9.3 already includes it
[05:02] <Iguana> has anyone tried to install the nvidia nforce drivers from nvidia on hoary?
[05:03] <fazer> No, have you?
[05:03] <Scuddie> lnxguy:  Will that work for NTFS purposes?
[05:03] <lnxguy> Scuddie: gimme some specifics: are you mounting a drive?
[05:03] <Iguana> fazer, nope but I'm thinking of trying.
[05:03] <Burgundavia> Iguana, why would you want to?
[05:03] <fazer> Iguana: ah
[05:03] <Iguana> * Added AC3 pass-through
[05:03] <transgress> hey how can i remove a module that's already loaded?
[05:03] <transgress> i forget the command
[05:03] <Burgundavia> rmmod
[05:03] <Burgundavia> sudo rmmod
[05:04] <sapelko> rmmod, but you have to sudo
[05:04] <lnxguy> Scuddie: NTFS does not use inodes or any other usable filesystem blocks...
[05:04] <SQL_Sam> anyone familiar with swat?
[05:04] <sapelko> sudo rmmod module_name
[05:04] <Iguana> Burgundavia, do you know how can one have SPDIF output working on hoary with the kernel drivers?
[05:05] <Scuddie> Hmmm...  Perhaps I should ask in the 'Other application support' for the solution to my problem?
[05:06] <Xeon3D> Also.. Nvidia guys say that that package could be repackaged by distro makers.. so I think this would be a good .deb for ubuntu.
[05:06] <nickrud> Scuddie, if you have that last description of what you want, it would help lnxguy. I don't script for anyone but myself (don't wanna get killed), but he might help
[05:07] <Scuddie> OK, lets see :p.
[05:07] <Scuddie> Oh yeah, linux crashed on me, so I lost it.  I'll just type up a short one, then.
[05:08] <SQL_Sam> looking to find where the initd.config file is for swat
[05:08] <SQL_Sam> i cant find it?
[05:09] <Absenth> drummer87: sorry I missed your comment about Adobe CS, InDesign etc.
[05:09] <nickrud> SQL_Sam, it will be somewhere in /etc
[05:09] <nickrud> every config is there, by law :)
[05:09] <lnxguy> Scuddie: I think you are looking for the -bind option
[05:09] <Absenth> drummer87: for many windows applications Wine will work, however if you can shell out the $39 I highly recomend crossover office.
[05:09] <Scuddie> I don't know, I can't seem to find my thoughts.
[05:10] <Scuddie> My brain doesn't like me right now.
[05:10] <Absenth> drummer87: Cedega from Transgaming works with a lot of windows games, but not all of them, and it's seldom easy :)
[05:10] <ircbot_> hey how would i go abouts mounting a stick of SD memory from my digicam?
[05:11] <SQL_Sam> found it but i guess it isnt the right file....
[05:11] <nickrud> SQL_Sam, this line can be your savior: dpkg -L swat
[05:11] <Scuddie> What does -bind do?
[05:11] <SQL_Sam> wow
[05:11] <Scuddie> I cant make heads or tails of the man page
[05:11] <nickrud> lots, eh?
[05:12] <SQL_Sam> yep
[05:12] <lnxguy> Scuddie: believe it or not, the man page is pretty good
[05:12] <Absenth> bind?  as in the DNS Daemon?  or as part of mount.
[05:12] <nickrud> docs are always in /usr/share/docs/<package>, and config in /etc/<somewhere>
[05:12] <SQL_Sam> i dont see the the conf file/
[05:13] <nickrud> I don't samba, so I can't talk about swat :)
[05:13] <Scuddie> lnxguy, does -bind do a logical mount?
[05:13] <SQL_Sam> first rule of swat.....
[05:14] <Absenth> SQL_Sam: First rule of Swat club.......             Is don't talk about Swat club.....
[05:14] <Absenth> SQL_Sam: sorry, couldn't resist.
[05:14] <SQL_Sam> no actually you got it on the mark!
[05:14] <biojayc> is gdesklet available through apt-get?
[05:14] <Xeon3D> heh
[05:14] <Xeon3D> ubuntu just crashed on me :P
[05:14] <Xeon3D> funny. 1st time it happens
[05:14] <crimsun> Xeon3D: yes, you can use spdif with the in-kernel alsa drivers
[05:14] <Xeon3D> (and I wasn't fiddling with that nvidia package)
[05:15] <Xeon3D> crimsun, care to explain how or redirect me to a webpage?
[05:15] <SQL_Sam> man anyone use swat in here?
[05:15] <crimsun> Xeon3D: -Dplug:iec958
[05:15] <Xeon3D> crimsun, please ellaborate
[05:15] <crimsun> Xeon3D: the alsa device you use is plug:iec958
[05:15] <lnxguy> Scuddie: -bind makes the contents of the filesystem visible in two places, eg. /oldmount and /newmount
[05:15] <crimsun> Xeon3D: therefore you must also unmute and adjust the iec958 playback mixer elements (not the capture ones)
[05:16] <Xeon3D> where can I select that plug:iec958 ?
[05:16] <crimsun> Xeon3D: wherever you can select an alsa device
[05:17] <Xeon3D> I only get a Realtek ALC650f (OSS), the TV Card one (OSS), NVidia NForce2 (Alsa Mixer) and the tv card one (Alsa mixer)
[05:17] <Scuddie> lnxguy, for practical use, say I have a /ntfs/docs directory, and a ~/docs directory.  I want ~/docs to be active, and /ntfs/docs to be a ghost referenced by ~/docs.
[05:17] <Xeon3D> that's under change device on Volume Control
[05:17] <Scuddie> ghost for the lack of a better word
[05:17] <crimsun> Xeon3D: use alsamixer from a terminal
[05:18] <Xeon3D> crimsun, ok. I got them all on and volume on maximum, but the Dolby Digital Line LED on my speakers hasn't got lit yet.
[05:19] <crimsun> Xeon3D: you can't turn them _all_ on
[05:19] <Scuddie> If the file exists in ~/docs, I dont want it to even know that the filename exists in /ntfs/docs.  When a file is written, it is written to ~/docs, and /ntfs/docs never sees it.
[05:19] <Xeon3D> just turned the IEC958 the IEC958 Input and the IEC958 Playback
[05:19] <Xeon3D> on
[05:19] <Xeon3D> (jesus I'm lost)
[05:20] <crimsun> mute the iec958 input
[05:20] <crimsun> join #flood, paste cat /proc/asound/cards
[05:20] <Xeon3D> done.
[05:20] <Scuddie> So am I a hopeless and pathetic excuse for a linux user? :p
[05:20] <crimsun> then paste the output of amixer onto http://pastebin.com
[05:21] <nickrud> Scuddie, you missed the point about reading from ~/ntfs/docs if ~/docs doesn't exist :)
[05:21] <Scuddie> Oh yeah :D
[05:21] <discord> sound problems
[05:21] <discord> ?
[05:21] <nickrud> I was interested in an academic way :)
[05:22] <lnxguy> Scuddie: you can do a mount, mount -bind [/ntfs/docs ~/docs]  remount -o ro /ntfs/docs.  That leaves the NTFS stuff read-only
[05:22] <Xeon3D> crimsun, http://pastebin.com/274823
[05:22] <discord> hmm
[05:22] <lnxguy> Scuddie: sorry that sounds like secret code ;>)
[05:22] <discord> does ubuntu use alsa or oss
[05:22] <discord> i see two devices listed in the mixer
[05:23] <discord> my xmms doesnt work
[05:23] <discord> but i do hear sounds from gaim and such
[05:23] <crimsun> discord: it uses alsa's oss emulation for esd, so you need to set xmms to use esound output
[05:23] <Scuddie> But will that allow me to write to the directory in question?
[05:23] <discord> thanks crimsun
[05:23] <lnxguy> Scuddie: yes, that will write only to the ~/docs mount
[05:23] <Scuddie> While it is mounted, I mean.
[05:24] <Xeon3D> crimsun, so?
[05:24] <Scuddie> OK, I'll try that.  Thanks :).
[05:24] <lnxguy> Scuddie: they will both be visible, but only your ~/docs will write
[05:24] <discord> what do i do to add devices to audacity ?
[05:24] <crimsun> Xeon3D: play with the mixer settings
[05:25] <Scuddie> I'll try that.
[05:25] <lnxguy> Scuddie: have fun!
[05:25] <crimsun> Xeon3D: the ones you're interested in are Surround and Analog to IEC958
[05:26] <lnxguy> Scuddie: the -remount option is probably the trick...
[05:26] <lnxguy> Scuddie: I'm interested to see if that works with NTFS...
[05:27] <discord> crimsun, i do not see any devices in audacity but sound now works in xmms do i need to try the section from ubuntuguide How to configure sound to work properly in GNOME
[05:28] <crimsun> discord: I'm not familiar w/ ubuntuguide, sorry
[05:28] <Xeon3D> crimsun, does it save as soon as I exit alsamixer?
[05:28] <discord> crimsun, are you familiar with audacity or why it doesnt work
[05:29] <crimsun> Xeon3D: settings are saved when you issue a reboot command and restored after you finish booting
[05:29] <crimsun> discord: you'd need to either redefine pcm.dsp or pcm.adsp
[05:29] <crimsun> discord: alsa.opensrc.org
[05:29] <Xeon3D> so I have to reboot to see if the changes were applied?
[05:30] <crimsun> Xeon3D: no
[05:30] <Scuddie> lnxguy, that didn't work, unfortunately.
[05:30] <SQL_Sam> is it possible to do the following: apt-get install apache2 mysql-server php4
[05:30] <Xeon3D> oh ok .. I got it.
[05:30] <Xeon3D> still the light hasn't turn on :P
[05:30] <Scuddie> I don't have write access to NTFS, and files do not maintain precendence.
[05:30] <nickrud> SQL_Sam, apt won't let you if the packages conflict
[05:30] <crimsun> Xeon3D: you need to check the url I just gave discord
[05:31] <nickrud> but in this case yes :)
[05:31] <SQL_Sam> i'll give it a shot
[05:31] <Skif> So, has anybody gotten mythtv running on Hoary?
[05:31] <SQL_Sam> before doing an apt-get I need to do update? is that correct
[05:32] <nickrud> SQL_Sam, it never hurts
[05:32] <SQL_Sam> what should be the 'default'
[05:32] <nickrud> ?
[05:32] <SQL_Sam> of things to do
[05:32] <SQL_Sam> like the update
[05:32] <nickrud> ah
[05:32] <lnxguy> Scuddie: you must have that module loaded: ntfs_write or something like that; I forgot the name
[05:32] <nickrud> apt-get update && apt-get install
[05:33] <SQL_Sam> k
[05:33] <tkb> is it possible to use diffrent apt-get package servers, such as the Debian servers?
[05:33] <crimsun> tkb: possible, not recommended.
[05:34] <tkb> crimsun, because?
[05:34] <birv2> a ubuntu newb here looking for some wireless help.  any takers?
[05:34] <crimsun> tkb: two words: dependency hell
[05:34] <nickrud> lol
[05:35] <tkb> crimsun, hehe gotcha, so there isn't much ubuntu/debian interoptibility?
[05:35] <Xeon3D> is there any how to on mailing lists?
[05:35] <crimsun> tkb: "interoperability"? certainly there is, but that doesn't mean you should blindly go around adding apt repos
[05:36] <tkb> crimsun, I'm on the live cd, my gentoo install is a k8 experimental AMD64 =) I like to live on the edge
[05:36] <Xeon3D> I'm subscribed to the ubuntu-pt mailing list.. and I get each mail (not the digest option). If I Reply directly to the email, will it be on the mailing list?
[05:36] <nickrud> Xeon3D, which mailer are you using (it matters)
[05:36] <tkb> crimsun, will the .deb's not handle dependencies correctly?
[05:36] <Xeon3D> Evolution
[05:36] <Xeon3D> ;P
[05:37] <crimsun> tkb: debs may be built against different [versions of]  packages
[05:37] <Levander> Anybody know how to use the rescue disk feature of the Hoary installation CD-ROM?
[05:37] <Xeon3D> nickrud, Evolution
[05:37] <nickrud> Xeon3D, been using it long long time. Control-L
[05:37] <nickrud> that's the list reply
[05:37] <Xeon3D> heh
[05:37] <Xeon3D> thanks :D
[05:37] <nickrud> a regular reply goes directly to the sender, which is not good list behavior :)
[05:37] <tkb> crimsun, I don't quite follow
[05:38] <Xeon3D> nickrud: is there a way that we can redirect the mailing lists messages to a specified folder?
[05:38] <gA> is there a list of hardware that is supported by default by ubuntu
[05:38] <IIIEars> Ubuntu is wonderful! - still amazed by how much there is and how well it works. :)
[05:38] <nickrud> yeah, right click on a message from a list you want to make a folder for, and 'filter on mailling list'
[05:39] <tkb> BlackLabel, what exactly are you curious about? almost all distros have the same hardware support
[05:39] <Xeon3D> wow... nice. thanks nickrud
[05:39] <tkb> though some don't lack ndiswrapper in their package trees =(
[05:40] <nickrud> lovely software
[05:40] <Xeon3D> and thanks also to crimsun  :)
[05:40] <crimsun> tkb: debs are compiled against other -dev debs. If packages in one repo use a newer version not in the one you're using as default, problems will occur.
[05:40] <discord> i havent had luck with my wirless drivers being included with ubuntu
[05:41] <discord> i dont want to use the ndiswrapper when their are drivers for my specific card
[05:41] <ircbot_> discord: that's probably because like prism2 cards are the only ones supported in linux...
[05:41] <discord> no
[05:41] <discord> i mean
[05:41] <crimsun> tkb: ndiswrapper-utils is in main
[05:41] <discord> i have a prism2
[05:41] <discord> but they didnt include
[05:41] <ircbot_> discord: oh so you know there are linux drivers?  okay... have you searched apt for them?
[05:41] <travail101> anyone have a Hoary liveCD handy, and an extra computer handy that could tell me if linux-wlan-ng is listed when you run "dpkg -l" from a terminal?
[05:41] <IIIEars> tkb - it may look like all distros are the same at detectig hardware at first but that isn't completely true - Ubuntu is one of a dozen i have tried and Ubuntu just workss! :)
[05:41] <birv2> how about dlink 520 dwl card?
[05:41] <discord> host-ap or wlan-ng driver
[05:42] <crimsun> travail101: it is not.
[05:42] <ircbot_> discord: apt-get install hostap-source hostap-utils
[05:42] <tkb> IIIEars, that's their philiosohy =)
[05:42] <travail101> discord: wlan-ng still isn't in the LiveCD?
[05:42] <tkb> crimsun, ndiswrapper-utils includes the wrapper?
[05:43] <Levander> In warty, gaim used to have an option to open links in a new browser window, can't find this option under hoary.  Anybody know where it is?
[05:43] <travail101> oh... crimsun, thanx
[05:43] <tkb> spiffy
[05:43] <travail101> discord: the linux-wlan-ng drivers are super easy to compile by hand... and I think they are in the repository... you should be able to apt-get them...
[05:43] <discord> ircbot_, what am i going to do with that source
[05:44] <crimsun> tkb: yes
[05:44] <discord> travail101, if i compile them I have to recompile the kernel also right?
[05:44] <ircbot_> discord: wtf do you think you do with it?  use it to install it
[05:45] <discord> ircbot_, dont take that tone with me
[05:45] <ircbot_> discord: well don't ask me dumbass questions
[05:46] <discord> ircbot_, dont give me dumb shit answers why would i use that old source package when i could get more updated source from the hostap site
[05:47] <discord> ircbot_, you fool i dont really want to have to compile drivers
[05:47] <ircbot_> discord: you wanted it for your ubuntu system i gave you a way to get it... you wanna go get the source from the site then fucking do it, but don't come in here bitching about not having the driver
[05:48] <discord> I am aware that i can download source you idiot obviously i know that if i mentioned the drivers for my card some other ppl probably dont want to compile drivers either
[05:48] <ircbot_> boo fucking hoo this is linux and sometimes you have to compile things.  don't like compiling stuff sometimes go to windows
[05:49] <ircbot_> and definitely don't ask for help and then put down the solution given to you.  there are no packages for debian precompiled yet... perhaps there is a reason for that
[05:50] <IIIEars> Window = Install, Connect, get a virus/spyware, Reinstall, repeat... - rofl
[05:50] <discord> im going to ignore you now
[05:50] <crimsun> guys, mind the CoC
[05:50] <ircbot_> CoC?
[05:50] <crimsun> code of conduct
[05:50] <tkb> crimsun, travail101, haven't I seen you in #gentoo?
[05:51] <crimsun> tkb: (no)
[05:51] <travail101> discod, no you do not have to recompile the kernel
[05:52] <travail101> tkb: me yes :-D
[05:53] <Hobocop> The number of seconds elapsed since 01/01/1970 is date +%s cool
[05:53] <Hobocop> 8)
[05:53] <thechitowncubs> how can i make my samba share require no password?
[05:54] <travail101> discord: rather... umm yea... no recompile or even reboot necessary, just compile, make config, make all, make install, modprobe the right module, then set it up via the README file... ifconfig and such
[05:54] <travail101> I'm off to try a different more updated liveCD... knoppix 3.7 blows... except that it get's me online with linux-wlan-ng drivers :-D
[05:55] <Traderjb> Evening folks, if anyone can, could use some assistance here.  I did the whole Ndiswrapper thing, worked, well sorta.  Still can't connect to the internet
[05:55] <Traderjb> Help!
[05:56] <thechitowncubs> Anyone have any knowledge of samba?
[05:56] <Quequeg> thechitowncubs, guest ok = yes ?
[05:56] <BlackLabel> is there a list of hardware that is supported by default by ubuntu
[05:56] <Levander> Anybody remember the gaim option in Warty that let you open links in irc in a new browser window instead of an entirely new browser window like gaim is doing for me now in hoary?
[05:57] <thechitowncubs> Que: where should I put that? anywhere?
[05:57] <thechitowncubs> in the smb.conf...
[05:58] <Quequeg> thechitowncubs, after the brackets that define the particular share
[05:58] <Quequeg> i.e. [MyShare] 
[05:58] <thechitowncubs> Que: thanks
[05:58] <Quequeg> np
[06:02] <BlackLabel> is there a list of hardware that is supported by default by ubuntu
[06:02] <fejaor> I have a bunch of troubles with gnome...any one who can help me??
[06:02] <nomasteryoda> fejaor, which version of ubuntu>
[06:02] <nickrud> BlackLabel, no
[06:02] <TestDummy> Er.. is there a way I can make Gaim a icon in the little tray so when I close the buddy list it doesn't quit?
[06:02] <TestDummy> Because I don't need it open, but when I close it, Gaim just quits
[06:02] <fejaor> 5.04
[06:02] <Hobocop> odd
[06:03] <BlackLabel> how can i find if my tv tuner is supported?
[06:03] <nickrud> if you ask here, some probably knows
[06:03] <smouche> fejaor, that question, it should be obvious, is impossible to answer unless you actually describe your troubles.
[06:03] <kanuha> TestDummy, do you see an icon in the taskbar?
[06:03] <nomasteryoda> BlackLabel, google?
[06:03] <TestDummy> Nope
[06:03] <fejaor> let me describe it
[06:03] <nickrud> if not, try googling ubuntu with your tv card chipset
[06:04] <fejaor> it is not the firs time that when I open either mozilla or mozilla firefox something weird happens
[06:04] <fejaor> I just tried to import the
[06:04] <smouche> the suspense is killing us, fejaor
[06:04] <BlackLabel> yea google it... 4 results all of which dont help
[06:04] <biojayc> i downloaded the source for gdesklet.  how do I install.  do I have to ./configure make make install, or is it possible to install through apt-get?
[06:04] <BlackLabel> all dont help*
[06:05] <kanuha> TestDummy, do you see an icon in the taskbar?
[06:05] <nickrud> BlackLabel, then make the search, broader, use linux
[06:05] <TestDummy> Nope.
[06:05] <fejaor> bookmarks I have from my hard drive and when the window of the options popsup, it only appears a rectangle with the options of Next, Back and Cancel but only with the X and the Back arrow...without the labels and it never let me do anything else
[06:06] <fejaor> even if I tried to click on the cancel, back or next button.....it only clicks but don't work at all
[06:06] <fejaor> and that's not the only problem I have if anyone is available to help me in a one-on-one session :D
[06:06] <fejaor> pleaseeeee
[06:06] <kanuha> TestDummy, go into preferences and load the systray plugin
[06:07] <biojayc> how do I install gdesklet?
[06:07] <nickrud> biojayc, do you know how to search for packages?
[06:07] <Burgundavia> apt-get remove gdesklets
[06:07] <TestDummy> Uh...
[06:07] <TestDummy> It's already enabled...
[06:07] <nickrud> rflol
[06:07] <transgress> umm apt-get install gdesklets
[06:07] <TestDummy> Hm.
[06:08] <fejaor> and Im trying to start Firestarter but the program freezes without starting correctly
[06:08] <kanuha> TestDummy, go into (gaim) preferences and load the systray plugin
[06:08] <transgress> Burgundavia: i think remove may not do what you think
[06:08] <biojayc> hmm.  is it by default?  then how do I add desklets?
[06:08] <nickrud> except I never say never, they'll never get on my desktop
[06:08] <smouche> fejaor, I can't help you with the bookmarks issue, but you should probably state some of your other issues too, and if someone can help you they will.  If not, wait patiently, and pose your questions again.
[06:08] <Burgundavia> transgress, I know exactly what it does. I just don't have a very high regard for gdesklets
[06:08] <transgress> Burgundavia: haha oh okay
[06:08] <TestDummy> I do that, doesn't work
[06:08] <transgress> yeah i played with them... i didn't really like them much either
[06:08] <fejaor> what about the firestarter issue?
[06:09] <transgress> although i am debating on getting the osx docker looking one
[06:09] <Burgundavia> gdesklets change about very 3rd version, in a non-backwards compatible way
[06:09] <fejaor> what about the firestarter?
[06:09] <smouche> sorry, fejaor -- I type slowly!  missed your firestarter issue -- heh, sorry
[06:09] <smouche> can't help there either1
[06:10] <fejaor> and Im trying to start Firestarter but the program freezes without starting correctly
[06:10] <biojayc> is it best to apt-get or use the gnome installer?
[06:11] <nickrud> biojayc, stick with synaptic till you're comfortable
[06:11] <biojayc> ok
[06:11] <Hobocop> yes synaptic is nice
[06:11] <Hobocop> 8)
[06:12] <TestDummy> Er...
[06:12] <Hobocop> unless you are getting xmms or something
[06:12] <TestDummy> I've enabled this plugin, but it doesn't work
[06:12] <mainer> fejaor firestarter must be run as root or sudo in ubuntu
[06:12] <Hobocop> sudo apt-get install xmms
[06:12] <nickrud> synaptic is a _lot_ better than the last time I tried
[06:12] <fejaor> what can i do in order to keep my partition/drives with NTFS partitions mounted in ubuntu?? When I restart my machine, they always dissapear and I have to mount them over and over again
[06:13] <TestDummy> Add them to /etc/fstab??
[06:13] <smouche> fejaor, please don't im me.  It's very unlikely I can help you as well as the very knowledgable folks in the channel
[06:13] <fejaor> sorry about that
[06:13] <Xeon3D> C ya guys... I'm off to bed.
[06:13] <fejaor> well there are several problems with firestarter...I installed in ubuntu and worked
[06:14] <TestDummy> I haven't been able to get Firestarter installed to Hoary..
[06:14] <TestDummy> Got it to work with Warty...
[06:14] <TestDummy> Don't know why
[06:14] <fejaor> but once I restarted my computer, it always asked me for a password in order to run firestarter and shows me a message saying that I had not enough privileges to run starter eventhough im the only user for ubuntu
[06:14] <Hobocop> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#mountunmountntfs
[06:14] <Hobocop> for mounting ntfs
[06:14] <biojayc> what is the name of the OS X launch bar lookalike and how do I install that?
[06:14] <Hobocop> I thought that was for windows
[06:15] <Hobocop> in fact I am pretty sure
[06:15] <Hobocop> like 98%
[06:15] <biojayc> I thought there was a desklet for it
[06:15] <Hobocop> if you prove me wrong I will be very happy about it 8)
[06:16] <nomasteryoda> biojayc, you might mean the one that zooms the icons
[06:16] <nomasteryoda> it's for kde ... called ksmoothdock
[06:16] <fejaor> smouche??
[06:16] <smouche> yes, fejaor?
[06:17] <smouche> fejaor, you need to use sudo for apps requiring root privileges.
[06:18] <nomasteryoda> fejaor, check the permissions on the executable.. I'll bet it is set to root
[06:18] <nomasteryoda> only
[06:18] <fejaor> how can I change those privileges so this application can start when I start ubuntu without asking me for the password or without telling me that I don't have enough privileges?
[06:19] <biojayc> http://c.delepine.free.fr/sc.png
[06:19] <biojayc> that is a screenshot of gnome.  at least it was on the gnome boards
[06:19] <fejaor> how?
[06:19] <Hobocop> that is a lot of desklets
[06:19] <biojayc> nod
[06:20] <biojayc> but the one on the bottom is the one I'm interested it
[06:20] <nomasteryoda> if it is located in /usr/bin/firestarter, then should be able to ... sudo chown fejaor  /usr/bin/firestarter,
[06:20] <biojayc> err in
[06:20] <nickrud> ok, it is purty
[06:20] <kanuha> IS this how it should look in fstab to mount a fat32 drive? /dev/hda1       /               fat    auto,user  0       0
[06:20] <Hobocop> http://gdesklets.gnomedesktop.org/categories.php?func=gd_show_app&gd_app_id=210
[06:20] <Hobocop> for the launch bar
[06:20] <nomasteryoda> that is the kdock i think
[06:20] <Hobocop> this looks like it
[06:21] <kanuha> IS this how it should look in fstab to mount a fat32 drive? /dev/hda1       /spare               fat    auto,user  0       0
[06:21] <biojayc> I think that is it!  how do I install desklets
[06:21] <nomasteryoda> wow
[06:21] <nomasteryoda> nice
[06:21] <Hobocop> no idea lmao
[06:21] <nickrud> kahuna looks normal
[06:21] <Hobocop> I have had ubuntu/linux for less than a week
[06:22] <Hobocop> I am just getting into shell scripts lmao
[06:22] <kanuha> I have to make a dir called spare in / though right?
[06:22] <nickrud> yup
[06:22] <dr_willis> isent a fat32 drive a filesystem type of 'vfat'
[06:22] <nickrud> doh
[06:22] <nomasteryoda> Hobocop, congrats
[06:22] <biojayc> ah
[06:22] <kanuha> IS this how it should look in fstab to mount a fat32 drive? /dev/hda1       /spare              vfat    auto,user  0       0
[06:23] <dr_willis> and 'auto' and 'user' are not really normally used together I think.
[06:23] <biojayc> anyone, how do you install desklets?
[06:23] <discord> crimsun: to build the linux wlan-ng driver i need configured kernel source and the configured source code for the pcmcia_cs substem I am running are these the configured source packages the source packages I see in the repositories
[06:23] <nickrud> i claim it's my cats fault
[06:24] <fejaor> that'll work forever?
[06:24] <Hobocop> thanks nomasteryoda, for whatever lmao
[06:24] <discord> crimsun: or are they just plain source packages
[06:24] <nomasteryoda> Hobocop,  shell scripts
[06:24] <fejaor> but still.....my firestarter is frozen and cannot started.....
[06:25] <Hobocop> oh thanks :)
[06:25] <Hobocop> it seems extremly powerful and easier than I expected, on the surface at least
[06:26] <Hobocop> does anyone know the correct extension for python scripts?
[06:26] <Hobocop> is it just .py
[06:26] <fejaor> nomasteryoda....this will stay like that??
[06:26] <dr_willis> it CAN be .py but its not required
[06:26] <Hobocop> oh well ubuntu wont run this .bin because it says it is a python script
[06:26] <Hobocop> and says I must rename it
[06:26] <dr_willis> perhaps you are running it wrong.
[06:26] <dr_willis> what .bin is this?
[06:27] <fejaor> anyone who can help me with my problem with firefox/mozilla??
[06:27] <fejaor> I have the .png file with a picture on what happens........
[06:27] <Hobocop> the bin included in the desklet
[06:27] <Hobocop> also it ran fin when i renamed it to .py
[06:27] <Hobocop> 8)
[06:27] <Hobocop> fine*
[06:28] <Keizer> Anyone here used the PowerPC Live CD?
[06:28] <dr_willis> Hobocop,  these are 'gdesklets' add ons?
[06:28] <Hobocop> yes it looks like
[06:29] <fejaor> anyone who can help me with my problem with firefox/mozilla??
[06:29] <fejaor> I have the .png file with a picture on what happens........
[06:29] <dr_willis> fejaor,  hmm..... what?
[06:29] <Hobocop> holy crap
[06:29] <Hobocop> gdesklets is ginormous
[06:30] <fejaor> I have the screenshot to describe exactly what my problem is
[06:30] <transgress> Hobocop: really how big?  how much space can i free up by removing the crap
[06:30] <fejaor> you want me to send it to you, dr willis?
[06:31] <Hobocop> not like size big
[06:31] <Hobocop> just like tons of files
[06:31] <Quequeg> I did a server install -- is there a simple way to install the major devel packages gcc,make,autoconf, etc.?
[06:31] <dr_willis> you could state what the problem is. :P  fejaor  - i normally can never get dccsends anyway.
[06:31] <Hobocop> I got a great way to make a lot of space on your comp though
[06:31] <fejaor> all right
[06:31] <fejaor> is not the first time that happens
[06:32] <nickrud> apt-get install build-essential
[06:32] <fejaor> and this doesn't happen only when I'm trying to do this
[06:32] <kanuha> help, what is the command to bring up the drive list and their dev, ie hda1, hdb1 ?
[06:32] <fejaor> right now i'm trying to import my bookmarks to firefox
[06:32] <moogman> kanuha: df
[06:32] <moogman> kanuha: mount -l
[06:32] <Quequeg> nickrud, assume that's for me? :)
[06:32] <moogman> kanuha: One of the two should be good enough :)
[06:33] <Hobocop> rm crap
[06:33] <kanuha> moogman, thankd
[06:33] <Hobocop> I forgot how to delete everything
[06:33] <Hobocop> lmao
[06:33] <fejaor> but when the window with the options or whether you want it to import from netscape or from a file popsup, I can't go forward cause the three buttons, the Back, Next and Cancel....are not there
[06:33] <nickrud> sorry cats got an arm , single finger typing ;)
[06:33] <nickrud> so yes
[06:33] <fejaor> there are only 3 rectangles....one with the X and the second one with the arrow of Back....with no labels at all
[06:34] <fejaor> and I try to click on them and they click but no one worked...
[06:35] <fejaor> did you follow me?
[06:35] <Hobocop> A quick throw out one
[06:35] <Hobocop> does anyone know where I can get the perl module for xml
[06:36] <Hobocop> an xml parser
[06:36] <Hobocop> or something
[06:36] <Hobocop> checking for XML::Parser... configure: error: XML::Parser perl module is require d for intltool
[06:36] <fejaor> did you know what a mean, dr willis??
[06:36] <kanuha> moogman, I just installed a fat32 drive, formatted it, rebooted into Ubuntu but cannot see it. Tried mount -l and df but it isn't listed.. Any ideas?
[06:39] <fejaor> Anyone who can help my with my firefox/mozilla problemm????
[06:39] <dr_willis> fejaor,  you are basicially saying you cant import your bookmarks?   and cant figure out the requestors/or theres a bug in the import stuff?
[06:39] <fejaor> there's a bug in firefox
[06:39] <fejaor> that's why I wanted you to see the picture of what's going on
[06:40] <dr_willis> if the bookmarks are in a file. use the bookmark manager - to 'import' them.
[06:40] <fejaor> I basically can't use BACK, NEXT or CANCEL buttons........for the bookmarks window or any other....like when installing a plug in such as flash
[06:41] <dr_willis> fejaor,  oh that sounds like a bigger bug then.
[06:41] <dr_willis> fejaor,  what version of firefox are you useing?
[06:42] <travail101> are you using a skin? other than the default?
[06:42] <fejaor> 1.0.2
[06:43] <Xenguy> *plonk*
[06:43] <Xenguy> ww
[06:44] <fejaor> is the one that comes with ubuntu
[06:45] <fejaor> so what's wrong with it?
[06:46] <travail101> don know...
[06:47] <travail101> but, trying the default skin could never hurt
[06:47] <Quequeg> If I compile the 2.6.10 kernel source from ubuntu as it is, with everything modular, will the appropriate modules be loaded on boot, or are the 2.4 modules loaded b/c and only b/c they were detected and configured during the install process?
[06:47] <travail101> if it isn already
[06:47] <lunitik> Quequeg: 2.4 isn't in Ubuntu at all
[06:47] <lunitik> Quequeg: never has been
[06:47] <Quequeg> whoops
[06:48] <srid> How do I make /bin/rm move files to a Trash directory instead of permanently deleting files?
[06:48] <lunitik> Quequeg: and yes... the modules should load... so long as you have hotplug around... although makes more sense for it to be called 'udevd' which is what its gonna be soon
[06:48] <Quequeg> lunitik, OK - thanks
[06:49] <dr_willis> srid,  look for a 'safe delete' alternative script/command.  or write your own.
[06:49] <lunitik> srid: alias rm='mv $1 /home/srid/.Trash' ?
[06:49] <srid> is their standard tested tool available?
[06:50] <lunitik> srid: why would you want to do that though?
[06:50] <dr_willis> of course that could have very odd things happening. :P wonder what it will do with identical named files.
[06:50] <fejaor> are you still there dr willis??
[06:50] <srid> also note that, each 'partition' must have it's own Trash directory (for fast file move)
[06:50] <lunitik> dr_willis: there is of course rm -i ...
[06:50] <srid> that's why I asked for a 'standard' tool
[06:50] <lunitik> dr_willis: asks "are you sure you want this gone"..
[06:52] <lunitik> srid: using a trash dir in cli seems pretty much retarded
[06:52] <lunitik> bah
[06:52] <dr_willis> :)
[06:53] <fejaor> :S
[06:53] <fejaor> need help dr willis
[06:53] <dr_willis> fejaor,  huh? whats up?
[06:53] <fejaor> you just asked me for the version and didn't tell me anything else
[06:53] <lunitik> fejaor: ask your question... don't illicit help from the few... it will frustrate them, and make your question less likely to be answered correctly
[06:53] <fejaor> 1.0.2 version of firefox
[06:54] <travail101> i assume you are using it for the first time, and is has never previously worked for you on this install... correct?
[06:54] <IIIEars> lunitik - - if i wanted to empty the trash automatically after every reboot where would i add that?
[06:54] <dr_willis> fejaor,  have ya checked the forums to see if anyone else has had this issue?  does it affect all users... lets see.. basic trouble shooting/testing 101.. :P create a new user see if it affects them...
[06:54] <torpid> i'm going to buy a shuttle barebones system this weekend.  can you guys offer any advice about chipsets and what not?
[06:55] <dr_willis> torpid,  shuttles are neat.. till mine blew the power supply.
[06:55] <torpid> i'm considering something like this: http://www2.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16856101424
[06:55] <fejaor> that's why Im asking this here....cause haven't find anything like that in the forums
[06:55] <dr_willis> torpid,  you may want to look into alternatives if you want more flexability.
[06:55] <lunitik> IIIEars: somewhere in /etc/rc2.d/ ... following the name convention
[06:56] <torpid> http://www2.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=56-115-016&depa=1
[06:56] <torpid> this one is way cheap.  why?
[06:56] <torpid> many shuttle users are very happy.
[06:56] <dr_willis> http://compreviews.about.com/cs/desktops/tp/aatpsffpckits.htm   - has some reviews of SFF systems.
[06:56] <travail101> fejaor: you could simply try "rm -Rf /home/yourusername/.firefox" and reloading firefox
[06:56] <torpid> i can always replace the power supply.
[06:56] <Hobocop> does anyone know where I can get what looks like a perl XML parser
[06:56] <Hobocop> checking for XML::Parser... configure: error: XML::Parser perl module is require d for intltool
[06:56] <travail101> fejaor: did you recently upgrade firefox from an older version?
[06:56] <dr_willis> torpid,  with another shuttle one.. and when my PS died - it killed the motherboard. :(
[06:57] <lunitik> IIIEars: my ~/.Trash dir is symlinked to /dev/null though  :/
[06:57] <fejaor> noup
[06:57] <fejaor> I have the version that comes with ubuntu 5.04
[06:57] <dr_willis> torpid,  i had a bad week with power supplies that week. :P blew 2
[06:57] <travail101> fejaor: and it's never worked on this machine?
[06:57] <torpid> what sucks is that i want to build a system for music recording at home.  i hate windows, but it's got sooo much more recording software than linux.
[06:57] <lunitik> Have to go to the damn store again  :(
[06:57] <torpid> and with a mac i'd have to pay for everything.
[06:58] <torpid> can't afford that.
[06:58] <travail101> perhaps somehow corrupted install media... or... something went wrong in the install process
[06:58] <dr_willis> torpid,  that url you listed isent a shuttle machine. its a Biostar.
[06:58] <fejaor> the first time I installed ubuntu, firefox worked perfectly....for some reason I had to erase everything and reinstall ubuntu and that happened to me like 2 or 3 times.....and since the 2nd installation, firefox hasn't been working correctly
[06:58] <dr_willis> torpid,  how much total you planing on spending?
[06:59] <lunitik> fejaor: what is wrong with firefox there?
[06:59] <travail101> torpid: get a Mac mini and become a pirate ;-)  no no no, I jest :-P
[06:59] <Hobocop> so no one has any idea where I can find a perl XML parser :(
[06:59] <fejaor> I basically can't use BACK, NEXT or CANCEL buttons........for the bookmarks window or any other....like when installing a plug in such as flash
[06:59] <dr_willis> Hobocop,  perhaps at the CPAN arvhives/site ?
[06:59] <fejaor> it is not the firs time that when I open either mozilla or mozilla firefox something weird happens
[06:59] <Hobocop> I will take a look
[06:59] <Hobocop> cpan
[06:59] <torpid> i'm going to spend around 500-600
[06:59] <fejaor> bookmarks I have from my hard drive and when the window of the options popsup, it only appears a rectangle with the options of Next, Back and Cancel but only with the X and the Back arrow...without the labels and it never let me do anything else
[07:00] <Hobocop> oh
[07:00] <lunitik> fejaor: uhh... haven't seen anything like that
[07:00] <Hobocop> perl up the ying yang
[07:00] <travail101> back next and cancel ar more or less useless in the bookmarks menu... AFAIK
[07:00] <torpid> i can't figure out why this shuttle system seems so good but is so cheap and has no reviews: http://www2.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=56-115-016&depa=1
[07:00] <torpid> what's the catch?
[07:00] <torpid> how would i find cracked software like protools for a mac?
[07:00] <travail101> torpid: , because it's Shuttle?
[07:00] <fejaor> when I first tried to install flash plug in...it appears a message having the option of installed from there...I clicked the buttom of Install now and it cracked in the same way
[07:00] <transgress> torpid: ummm not here?
[07:01] <transgress> torpid: there is a reason we use free software
[07:01] <fejaor> but I already installed all the plug ins
[07:01] <torpid> and why the hell doesn't linux have a multiple login function like in xp and osx yet? that's way annoying.  you have to have an open unlocked xserver in front of you and select new logon.
[07:01] <torpid> how archaic.
[07:01] <travail101> torpid... the FastTrack filesharing network...
[07:01] <torpid> heh.  sounds interesting.
[07:01] <transgress> torpid: you're retarded.  remove linux, go back to window... you suck.
[07:01] <travail101> torpid: It probably exists... if not write it
[07:02] <torpid> does osx suck like most mac os i've seen?
[07:02] <sig> LOL
[07:02] <travail101> you are the first person I've seen ask for it :-P
[07:02] <torpid> transgress why do i suck?
[07:02] <lunitik> torpid: no
[07:02] <transgress> torpid: i'ma eat your children
 and why the hell doesn't linux have a multiple login function like in xp and osx yet? that's way annoying.  you have to have an open unlocked xserver in front of you and select new logon.
[07:02] <torpid> lol
[07:02] <sig> WTF?
[07:02] <travail101> torpid: OSX is UNIX based... Darwind is FreeBSD
[07:02] <transgress> torpid: because you're an idiot.  a complete moron.  the bottom of the barrel
[07:02] <travail101> torpid: OSX is pretty pimp if you ask me
[07:02] <torpid> travail101 i'm aware of that
[07:02] <lunitik> torpid: OS X is pretty much FreeBSD with a pretty interface
[07:02] <fejaor> I don't know why but I just been having a lot of bad experiences with ubuntu :(
[07:03] <fejaor> like that one with firefox
[07:03] <torpid> transgress tell me why i'm an idiot?
[07:03] <transgress> torpid: but i'm not too worried about it... someone will one day beat the shit out of you until you can't talk anymore.
[07:03] <fejaor> something really weird that happens when I log out
[07:03] <transgress> torpid: because you don't understand the concept of the software you are using at all
[07:03] <sig> LMAO
[07:03] <fejaor> and some other stuff....
[07:03] <fejaor> so dissapointed
[07:03] <fejaor> :(
[07:03] <torpid> transgress oh then explain it to me your royal geekness.
[07:03] <lunitik> torpid: they even hired one of the project founders of FreeBSD... (Jordan Hubbard)
[07:03] <torpid> i'm aware of that.
[07:03] <sig> I'm sure your not
[07:03] <torpid> but the mac gui sucks.
[07:03] <travail101> torpid: then why did you ask if it sucked? does UNIX suck? no...
[07:03] <transgress> torpid: well 1) we don't talk about where to pirate software in our help channels
[07:04] <lunitik> torpid: funny... Microsoft, and X folks are trying to emulate it...
[07:04] <torpid> it has all of these tacky animations (i'm assuming you can turn those off) but mainly the problem is that window menus are at the top of the visible screen, rather than in their window.
[07:04] <transgress> torpid: 2) if something doesn't exist we make it.  that's how it works.  that's the joy of OSS
[07:04] <travail101> Torpid, get KDE for Mac
[07:04] <transgress> torpid: also, opinions are like assholes... and no one cares about either of yours.
[07:04] <torpid> transgress i didn't ask!
[07:04] <fejaor> here's another problem
[07:04] <torpid> transgress it was just a rhetorical question.
[07:04] <transgress> torpid: yes you did
[07:04] <torpid> no i didn't.
[07:04] <transgress> torpid: no it wasn't.
[07:04] <icebalm> torpid: screen conservation, one menu instead of many, what's wrong with that?
[07:04] <torpid> read the context.
[07:05] <torpid> no.  you are a moron.  i'm through talking to you.
[07:05] <transgress> a rhetorical question is a question nevertheless and a bad rhetorical question is actually a question
[07:05] <sig> torpid: you got my vote on being a total idiot... all else in favor of my vote?
[07:05] <lunitik> torpid: you dislike it... but it makes more sense in reality...
[07:05] <icebalm> sig: seconded
[07:05] <travail101> torpid...
[07:05] <Levander> test: http://www.ubuntuforums.org
[07:05] <transgress> torpid: why don't you ask these people who they are more fond of
[07:05] <torpid> what's wrong is that the menu shouldn't be outside the boundaries of its app window, and the top of the screen should have my window list, not a menu.
[07:05] <lunitik> torpid: you've obviously not used it much though... therefore you can't really say either way
[07:05] <transgress> does #ubuntu not have ops?
[07:05] <fejaor> when I logout from my account (the only account) the Log in screen appears and when I move the mouse down so I can click on the options to restart of shut down my computer, the screen starts moving around and oscillating in a weird way so I can't see where the pointer is and can't click on neither the options
[07:06] <IIIEars> all votes counted the motion is carried. - lol
[07:06] <torpid> transgress my "question" expressed a statement, not a question.
[07:06] <sig> torpid: well then go to a channel where you ahve a beef ie.. #gnome, #kde etc...
[07:06] <sig> not in here
[07:06] <icebalm> torpid: your opinion, apparently apple disagrees with you, and have for many years
[07:06] <transgress> torpid: expression doesn't carry well over irc asshat
[07:06] <lunitik> transgress: of course it does... chanserv keeps track... but ops get bothered more than most, so they just op themselves when necissary
[07:06] <dr_willis> Apple tends to do what it wants. and throws out past research/standards/methods  the window when it wants.
[07:06] <travail101> torpid... it can have whatever you want... spend a few months reading User Docs... change the default look and feel... use FVWM, just... stop complaining about defaults
[07:07] <torpid> icebalm and that's why they have less than 10% of the market.
[07:07] <transgress> lunitik: i'm aware of that tendency, but i'm wondering about the troll getting to troll to the point that i'm acting like an asshat myself
[07:07] <lunitik> dr_willis: not true... but ok
[07:07] <fejaor> when I logout from my account (the only account) the Log in screen appears and when I move the mouse down so I can click on the options to restart of shut down my computer, the screen starts moving around and oscillating in a weird way so I can't see where the pointer is and can't click on neither the options
[07:07] <torpid> dr_willis finally a voice of sanity.
[07:07] <icebalm> torpid: no, they have less than 10% of the market because they're the only supplier of their systems and they're too expensive
[07:07] <lunitik> transgress: what troll?
[07:07] <torpid> apple should have purchased beos and used that. then i would have become a mac die heard.
[07:07] <torpid> hard
[07:07] <IIIEars> fejoar - thats wild
[07:08] <torpid> travail101 what are you talking about?  i'm talking about osx.
[07:08] <dr_willis> Apple helped to Kill BeOs. :( sadly.
[07:08] <transgress> lunitik: the guy asking about piracy and throwing his opinion around like fact... the guy that has been voted idiot
[07:08] <torpid> what does fvwm have to do with osx?
[07:08] <fejaor> anyone?
[07:08] <lunitik> torpid: BeOS wasn't all it was cracked up to be... NeXT is still popular today, and Unix is certainly popular
[07:08] <torpid> i ran beos for years before finally moving on to slackware.
[07:08] <torpid> then to ubuntu recently.
[07:08] <travail101> torpid: you can use KDE in OSX
[07:08] <dr_willis> fejaor,  you may want to resort to a clean download of the ubuntu iso's and a clean install.
[07:08] <transgress> torpid: what version of ubuntu are you using?
[07:08] <travail101> torpid: probably even Gnome
[07:09] <fejaor> what you mean?
[07:09] <torpid> it's bizarre that even today no os has yet to duplicate the kind of consistency and advanced feature set of beos.
[07:09] <dr_willis> fejaor,  or you got some FUNKY hardware/hard drive  issues going on.
[07:09] <travail101> torpid: so you can read use docs, change the defaults, port FVWM, make your own GUI, whatever
[07:09] <torpid> beos was the best desktop os ever conceived.
[07:09] <fejaor> that's the problem
[07:09] <icebalm> torpid: you're completely retarded
[07:09] <torpid> travail101 well, since kde is atrocious no thanks.  hopefully i can use gnome.
[07:09] <lunitik> torpid: haha... BeOS offered nothing... you sure you ran it?
[07:09] <torpid> transgress version?  hoary something or other.
[07:09] <fejaor> I have a INTEL GLAD845 motherboard
[07:09] <fejaor> and a Samsung Hard disk
[07:09] <transgress> torpid: no you aren't
[07:10] <fejaor> with 2 sony cd-roms
[07:10] <fejaor> and that's it
[07:10] <travail101> torpid: whatever you want... I personally like XFCE4
[07:10] <IIIEars> << 36 hours without a reboot - 36 1/2 hours as a linux user (2 reboots a day for the redmond OS - Ubuntu is wonderful)
[07:10] <fejaor> plus a slave hard disk that I don't recall the brand of it
[07:10] <torpid> travail101 that's great.  but when you have a full time job, are an aspiring musician, try to mantain a relationship, and a social life...well, yo uget the picture.
[07:10] <torpid> who needs to waste time doing stuff like that do fix Mac's terrible GUI .
[07:10] <transgress> IIIEars: my gentoo box has been on for 21 days thus far
[07:11] <travail101> torpid: boot the windows XP CD
[07:11] <torpid> beos was pervasively pre-emptively multi-tasked.  it had an incredibly logical, consisent, and obect oriented api.
[07:11] <sig> torpid: you play skin flute?
[07:11] <torpid> it was astoundingly good at multi-tasking.
[07:11] <transgress> torpid: so what you are trying to say is you are a pizza delivery guy that has pipe dreams of being a musician and a girlfriend that will dump you soon
[07:11] <travail101> my gentoo box only goes down when i take it down :-D
[07:11] <torpid> it had dynamic file attributes that every program understood.
[07:11] <lunitik> transgress: I've had a debian box up for over 400 days... 21 is nothing  :/
[07:11] <torpid> it was a 64-bit journalled file architecture.
[07:11] <torpid> it had the best file manager ever known to man kind.
[07:11] <lunitik> transgress: only reason I took that down was cuz I moved  :/
[07:11] <transgress> and torpid i have a full time job, am an aspiring writer, that can maintain a relationship plenty well... and have no problems doing whatever else i want
[07:11] <dr_willis> BeOs had some neat points and some very odd 'points' :P - as does all OS's and about any tool you can name.. good and bad points to everything.
[07:12] <icebalm> torpid: OO is not the be-all-end-all buddy
[07:12] <torpid> sig i have a girlfriend.
[07:12] <transgress> lunitik: i'd have this one up longer if i hadn't changed distros
[07:12] <IIIEars> yep linux is stable and not attacked as often - i don't think i'll make one hundred days but, who knows
[07:12] <tux> @find nova era
[07:12] <transgress> torpid: doesn't count if she's plastic
[07:12] <travail101> torpid: BeOS is still alive... ina n Opensource knock, go back to it
[07:12] <torpid> no transgress.  I'm trying to say you are an idiot.
[07:12] <transgress> torpid: but you're wrong
[07:12] <fejaor> ok
[07:12] <fejaor> another thing
[07:12] <Agrajag> alive? more like undead
[07:12] <transgress> torpid: and most people don't try... they can just do it w/o effort.
[07:12] <travail101> alive, undead
[07:12] <Agrajag> They're dragging its corpse through the mud and kicking it once in a while to make it look alive
[07:13] <transgress> fuck this ignoring torpid
[07:13] <travail101> it's the same for all practical purposes
[07:13] <torpid> transgress i don't know what i'm supposed to say.  i can go into detail hour by hour of how my day goes by, and except for rare occasions like tonight, i usually have very little idle time.
[07:13] <IIIEars> torsmo - is pretty nice - teaching it to check my mail
[07:13] <lunitik> torpid: you actually come here for help? or you just want to argue with folks?
[07:13] <torpid> transgress no.  you have no idea what my life is like.
[07:14] <tux> @find nova era
[07:14] <icebalm> torpid: we dont care about your life
[07:14] <nomasteryoda> guys, what is the DVD copy program in Ubuntu?
[07:14] <ircbot_> tux: there is not a fucking @find here
[07:14] <travail101> there's a lot of higly advanced "good idea" operating systems and OS ideas floating around... but they all have less software and driver support than Linux... so...
[07:14] <icebalm> torpid: stop talking about it like we do
[07:14] <travail101> good luck
[07:14] <nomasteryoda> i need to make an iso of my suse and ubuntu disks
[07:14] <torpid> transgress you have no idea how much time it takes for me to play gigs, rehearse, work to get more gigs, spend time with my girlfriend, get to work every day, do errands, go shopping, make dinners, etc.
[07:14] <ircbot_> nomasteryoda: gnomebaker will do that
[07:14] <torpid> lunitik why don't you ask those who are starting the argument, such as transgress's 16-year-old ass.
[07:14] <MacIver> or nautilus
[07:14] <tux> server/server/xchat.cl
[07:14] <torpid> icebalm i'm not talking to you.  so shut the fuck up.
[07:14] <ircbot_> torpid: i'm pretty sure he put you on ignore... and you have no idea what his life is like.  this is a help channel.  go somewhere else for personal stuff
[07:15] <lunitik> torpid: its funny though how they are all centering around you
[07:15] <dr_willis> Hmm.. What Os's out there are built on the Linux Kernel anyway? I recall one. that wasent  useing X or bash or any of the other standard stuff we all love. :P
[07:15] <icebalm> torpid: you're talking to the channel which includes me, why don't you practice what your preach?
[07:15] <torpid> icebalm note: i'm talking to transgress , not you.
[07:15] <torpid> why are geeks so often such profoundly socially inept?
[07:15] <travail101> torpid, seriously, if you don't have time to play with linux... buy Windows, come to linux when it's ready for you
[07:15] <torpid> s/such/so
[07:15] <icebalm> torpid: why are you trolling like a fucking loser?
[07:15] <tovella> nomasteryoda: i use k3b to copy DVDs
[07:16] <ircbot_> where are the ops?
[07:16] <lunitik> torpid: you call us socially inept... yet you are the one arguing with us
[07:16] <torpid> the point of an OS should be to get things done, to be productive.
[07:16] <ircbot_> torpid: and if you learn the OS you can do that
[07:16] <torpid> if you enjoy toying with your os as a hobby, good for you.  that's awesome.
[07:16] <travail101> torpid... pay people to write the software you want then
[07:16] <icebalm> torpid: we dont care what you think the point of an OS is, go preach somewhere else, if you dont like ubuntu, don't use it
[07:16] <ircbot_> torpid: such as windows
[07:16] <tovella> nomasteryoda: you could use cdrecord from a shell prompt.
[07:17] <torpid> but a good OS should allow productivity without a lot of unnecessary tweaking.
[07:17] <IIIEars> this incredible - 36 hours and i have adapted my first application - :)
[07:17] <lunitik> torpid: cool... you have NOTHING better to do?
[07:17] <torpid> well, of course you aren't arguing with yourselves.
[07:17] <ircbot_> IIIEars: what'd you do
[07:17] <lunitik> torpid: go play with yourself for a while or something
[07:17] <ircbot_> torpid: if you are so busy why are you in here being a little troll?  with your 16 year old ass
[07:17] <icebalm> torpid: why are you here?
[07:17] <torpid> windows has its own flaws obviously.
[07:17] <IIIEars> torsmo - system monitor checks my mail count
[07:18] <Quequeg> all OS's and UI's have flaws
[07:18] <travail101> torpid... in the time it has already taken, and will continue to take, you probably could have installed windows, gotten some work done, and made out with your girlfriend... get of IRC and stop playing with something you don't have time or interest in
[07:18] <lunitik> torpid: no one asked for your opinion.. no one wants it... we use Ubuntu, because we like it... no one asked you what you prefer... no one cares...
[07:18] <torpid> well i was originally building a new system, and i came here to get some ideas from others.  then they started being insulting and assinine.
[07:18] <torpid> go play with myself lunitik ?  nice.
[07:18] <torpid> you are 12 years old.
[07:18] <torpid> congrats.
[07:19] <lunitik> torpid: it has to be more productive than your current choice
[07:19] <sig> torpid: come on.... you need to leave.
[07:19] <ircbot_> okay everyone... seeing as the ops aren't doing shit... just put him on ignore and he will leave
[07:19] <ircbot_> lunitik: sig dont' say anything to him
[07:19] <IIIEars> next week the kernal a kernal library? - j/k
[07:19] <torpid> this is why geeks like you guys aren't well liked in the real world.  you spend all of your time on irc.  you don't have girlfriends, or if you do, they are fat with pimples and glasses.
[07:19] <torpid> go geeks.
[07:19] <MacIver> torpid: speak for yourself
[07:19] <sig> YAY!
[07:19] <ircbot_> don't encourage the trolls
[07:19] <travail101> lol
[07:19] <ircbot_> and WHERE ARE THE FUCKING OPS
[07:20] <MacIver> but it's so fun ;-)
[07:20] <MacIver> erm
[07:20] <travail101> it was funny
[07:20] <Agrajag> ircbot_: obviously not here, they'd have kicked or banned you for language
[07:20] <ircbot_> MacIver: but it kind of kills a channel
[07:20] <lunitik> ircbot_: doing more productive things  ;)
[07:20] <MacIver> true
[07:20] <dr_willis> :P
[07:20] <ircbot_> Agrajag: well if i can get them to kick someone it'll be a plus
[07:20] <lunitik> ircbot_: #ubuntu ops are pretty much all devels
[07:20] <MacIver> heh
[07:20] <Agrajag> hah
[07:20] <lunitik> dr_willis: get devorced  ;)
[07:20] <travail101> or...
[07:21] <dr_willis> lunitik,  did that once allready.. she took the good car. and  demanded visitation rights to see the dog!
[07:21] <dr_willis> :P
[07:21] <travail101> take your wife to dinner
[07:21] <ircbot_> i mean i have respect for the ops and the CoC, and i also like the allowance of off topic conversation, but sometimes we need ops
[07:21] <lunitik> dr_willis: wait, wtf... to see the dog?
[07:21] <ircbot_> #freebsd pulls it off nicely
[07:21] <travail101> get to know her again, or for the first time
[07:21] <dr_willis> lunitik,  yea.. she really loved that dog. :P
[07:21] <dr_willis> the dog ate better then I did. :P
[07:21] <ircbot_> number one reason for divorce... marriage
[07:21] <travail101> #gentoo pulls it off well too
[07:22] <lunitik> ircbot_: haha
[07:22] <bobthegoat> Question: How do I rerun the monitor setup From when I install ubuntu?
[07:22] <ircbot_> #gentoo doesn't really allow that much off topic stuff... #freebsd is pretty free range until people need help
[07:22] <bobthegoat> The resolution I picked at the start is now the top resolution I can choose, and I can't get any bigger resolution.
[07:22] <ircbot_> brb making sandwiches
[07:22] <bignose-ork> bobthegoat: if you mean the setup for the X server:
[07:22] <dr_willis> ive seen #linux channels on dalnet kick for miss-spellings :P
[07:22] <bignose-ork> bobthegoat: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[07:22] <ircbot_> dr_willis: that's about like ##slackware on here
[07:22] <lunitik> bobthegoat: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-corg
[07:22] <lunitik> xorg
[07:22] <travail101> ircbot_: I talk off topic in there all the time... some people say come on guys, that's off topic, but i've never been booted
[07:22] <lunitik> I wish I could type
[07:23] <bobthegoat> bignose-ork,  well there was like this list of resolutions all the way up to 1900X2400 or something. ok I'll try that.
[07:23] <ircbot_> travail101: i've never been kicked, but i usually see the conversation get stopped before it comes to kicking
[07:23] <travail101> i spose...
[07:23] <bignose-ork> bobthegoat: the X serer provides hardware services to your graphical applications, so that's what needs to know your monitor resolution
[07:23] <travail101> but as long as the people discussing it, are stopping it themselves
[07:23] <travail101> it's all good
[07:23] <travail101> is it not
[07:24] <ircbot_> i've been kicked from ##slackware a good few times
[07:24] <lunitik> bobthegoat: may need to set 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure debconf' to get more questions asked though... not sure whats asked via 'high' priority questions...
[07:24] <travail101> i don't understand slackware...
[07:24] <travail101> what is slackware... really...
[07:24] <lunitik> travail101: whats to understand?
[07:24] <tovella> how can i get console typeahead?
[07:24] <MacIver> slackware is awesome
[07:24] <travail101> lunitik: how it differs from other distros...
[07:24] <MacIver> just use irc.oftc.net ;-)
[07:24] <lunitik> travail101: it is a Linux distro with BSD based tools... and one guy building it all
[07:24] <bignose-ork> lunitik: 'man dpkg-reconfigure'
[07:24] <travail101> lunitik: what makes it "awesome"
[07:25] <lunitik> travail101: nothing at all...
[07:25] <bignose-ork> lunitik: dpkg-reconfigure defaults to 'low' priority questions and up
[07:25] <travail101> lunitik: so it's just got a cult following then
[07:25] <ircbot_> slackware of all the distro's tend to run the slowest for me, but i still use it on my server heh
[07:25] <travail101> ;-)
[07:25] <MacIver> transgress: everything ;-)
[07:25] <ircbot_> huh?
[07:25] <MacIver> ircbot_: really it's fastest for me
[07:25] <travail101> ircbot_: why not gentoo for the server?
[07:26] <ircbot_> travail101: because it's only got 633mghz and 32 ram (gonna up it for 256megs soon)
[07:26] <lunitik> bignose-ork: bah... I hate gnu-ism's though... I'm not typing --force-priority every time I want low... and in Ubuntu, it defaults to high
[07:26] <ircbot_> travail101: and i don't want my server offline for 3 days
[07:26] <tovella> MacIver: what type of package management system does slack use?
[07:26] <MacIver> tgz
[07:26] <ircbot_> ima put freebsd on my server soon when i up the ram
[07:26] <travail101> ircbot_: GRP
[07:26] <ircbot_> GRP?
[07:26] <travail101> ircbot_: precompiled binaries
[07:27] <tovella> MacIver: so slack installs from source code?
[07:27] <MacIver> no dependancy checking, very simple packages
[07:27] <travail101> ircbot_: on a handy CD
[07:27] <Marble2> how do I turn off that annoying little noise that goes off when I open stuff from the gnome menu at the top?
[07:27] <MacIver> tovella: no, it's binary
[07:27] <travail101> ircbot_: emerge --usepkg
[07:27] <ircbot_> travail101: wouldn't help with that first sync and some of the other stuff
[07:27] <mainer> netbsd is sposed to be the best "bsd"
[07:27] <lunitik> MacIver: those aren't things that are good... they are things that make it a bitch to run
[07:27] <travail101> ircbot_: webrsync
[07:27] <ircbot_> it's not mainer IMHO
[07:27] <tovella> MacIver: ahh...  i must play around with it soon.
[07:27] <MacIver> lunitik: what things?
[07:27] <lunitik> mainer: according to who? your friend using it on a dreamcast?
[07:27] <MacIver> toffy: remember dropline though ;-)
[07:27] <lunitik> MacIver: no dep checking for one
[07:27] <travail101> ircbot_: GRP installs are designed to get a complete system installed without a network connection
[07:28] <ircbot_> travail101: it's not happening heh... ima bsd it soon though... which i like over gentoo
[07:28] <tovella> anyone know how to make console type-ahead work?
[07:28] <MacIver> lunitik: yep :-) no crazy dep checking to get in the way ;-)
[07:28] <travail101> ircbot_: well i can't argue against bsd ;-)
[07:28] <mainer> nope,from linux/unix review sites i've rad,but w.e. works best for you,that's my philosophy,
[07:28] <ircbot_> hehe
[07:28] <lunitik> MacIver: so you'd rather an app be crippled?
[07:28] <Marble2> how do I turn off that annoying little noise that goes off when I open stuff from the gnome menu at the top?
[07:28] <bignose-ork> Marble2: System menu -> Preferences -> Sound -> Sound Events
[07:28] <MacIver> lunitik: crippled?
[07:28] <bignose-ork> Marble2: choose sounds (or deactivate) for any event you like
[07:29] <MacIver> you mean not run?
[07:29] <tovella> MacIver: doesn't BSDs portage use dependency checking, though?
[07:29] <Marble2> thanks
[07:29] <bignose-ork> Marble2: please don't repeat, we see you the first time
[07:29] <lunitik> MacIver: there is a reason the packages depend on things... usually functionality is this reason
[07:29] <Marble2> okay.
[07:29] <MacIver> tovella: this isn't portage
[07:29] <MacIver> lunitik: and a lot of times they have no clue ;-)
[07:29] <travail101> it's ports
[07:29] <MacIver> dependancy by package names...eww
[07:30] <lunitik> MacIver: the packager has no clue? I only go through depian developers... I'm pretty sure 100% of them know more than you about the app in question
[07:30] <tovella> i must have been confused.  Gentoo uses Portage, based on BSDs ports.
[07:30] <travail101> BSD better check dependencies... if it doesn't, someone might end up missing glibc :-P
[07:30] <bobthegoat> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg didn't  work I'm still stuck with the same choices for resolutions. I choose a higher resolution during the setup.
[07:30] <MacIver> lunitik: really?
[07:30] <MacIver> ;-)
[07:30] <lunitik> MacIver: yes
[07:30] <tovella> Gentoo uses dependency checking
[07:30] <MacIver> lunitik: well nice of you to form that opinion
[07:31] <ircbot_> bobthegoat: hack your xorg.conf file
[07:31] <mainer> the original slice n dice,make slices,then partitons
[07:31] <ablyss> i hear ubuntu gets the hot chicks.. so im sticking with unbuntu ;-)
[07:31] <ircbot_> bobthegoat: it's pretty easy to see what to change for resolution
[07:31] <travail101> linux get's only nerdy chix...
[07:31] <MacIver> now how do the debian developers know what libs i have compilied and personally installed on my system?
[07:31] <travail101> no matter what flavor
[07:31] <bignose-ork> bobthegoat: just because you see 3000x2000 listed, doesn't mean your combination of graphics adapter plus monitor can actually do it
[07:31] <lunitik> MacIver: Slack makes the user do EVERYTHING... I don't have time for that... I'd be better off using LSB, at least then I wouldn't have to learn how another person put his together  :/
[07:31] <tovella> travail101: some nerdy chicks are indeed hotties.
[07:32] <travail101> tovella: that is true... but... I doubt they use Ubuntu :-P
[07:32] <tovella> lunitik: i've heard some really good things about slack 10
[07:32] <mainer> tovella: yes!!,lol
[07:32] <lunitik> s/LSB/LFS/ bah
[07:32] <dr_willis> alt.binary.eroitica.nerdy.chicks
[07:32] <dr_willis> :P
[07:32] <bignose-ork> bobthegoat: IIRC, the debconf question you're thinking of talks about setting a preferred list of resolutions to attempt
[07:32] <travail101> tovella: unless their boyfriend installed it
[07:32] <bobthegoat> ircbot_, I tried adding the higher modes but it also didn't show up.
[07:32] <lunitik> tovella: they lied
[07:32] <MacIver> dr_willis: that's prolly why you don't get any ;-)
[07:32] <mainer> 90% probly,lol
[07:32] <ircbot_> bobthegoat: did you restart the X server?
[07:32] <MacIver> lunitik is cranky
[07:32] <bobthegoat> bignose-ork, I know what my monitor and graphics card supports.
[07:33] <bobthegoat> ircbot_, yes
[07:33] <bobthegoat> bignose-ork, 1600X1200 85 hz
[07:33] <lunitik> MacIver: Slack and Gentoo are picky subjects for me... both are equally moronic from a user standpoint
[07:33] <bobthegoat> I also setup the correct h and v sync rates
[07:33] <MacIver> lunitik: thanks for your profound opinion
[07:33] <lunitik> MacIver: you're welcome... feel enlightened
[07:33] <bignose-ork> bobthegoat: after restarting the server, its startup messages will be logged to /var/log/Xorg.${num}.log
[07:33] <MacIver> did someone there call you a n00b or something?
[07:33] <travail101> lunitik: really?
[07:33] <Marble2> Okay, I have this really annoying problem. The audio is always 1-2 seconds behind the video in any media file I play, no matter what player I use, what type of file, or which file I try. Any ideas?
[07:34] <bignose-ork> bobthegoat: where num is your display number
[07:34] <bignose-ork> bobthegoat: look in that log file, see what it said about attempted and available resolutions
[07:34] <MacIver> different distros tend to fill different niches
[07:34] <travail101> lunitik: user being... Windows/Mac user?
[07:34] <ircbot_> anyone listened to the revenge of the screensavers?
[07:34] <tovella> i actually liked gentoo, but when my hard drive died, i didn't want to spend the time recompiling everything.  I switched to using debian based distros.
[07:34] <lunitik> MacIver: no... I am reasonably knowledgable about *Nix ... I just don't understand what there is to gain from a system that does nothing for you...
[07:35] <lunitik> MacIver: automation is there for a reason
[07:35] <travail101> tovella: compilr time is night time
[07:35] <MacIver> lunitik: so use a mac ;-)
[07:35] <lunitik> MacIver: I use Ubuntu  :/
[07:35] <travail101> tovella: do a stage 3 GRP install, and update at night :-D
[07:35] <lunitik> MacIver: pleanty of automation
[07:35] <MacIver> lunitik: not sure what exactly you mean by 'automation'
[07:36] <mainer> pre-compiled binarys
[07:36] <MacIver> check
[07:36] <lunitik> MacIver: not having to do it myself all the damn time... I know how... this gives me a license to not do it
[07:36] <MacIver> lunitik: do what?
[07:36] <tovella> i know i could have compiled at night, but i really needed my machine up immediately.
[07:36] <lunitik> MacIver: anything
[07:36] <bobthegoat> bignose-ork, it only shows resolutions of 1024X768 and below as valid but I know high is supported
[07:36] <travail101> lunitik: Gentoo does a lot for you... I'm not saying use it instead of Ubuntu, or it's friendlier... but once installed it's just as easy to maintain, and is more up-to-date on most packages
[07:36] <MacIver> lunitik: such as?
[07:36] <lunitik> MacIver: you name it
[07:37] <MacIver> lunitik: sleep
[07:37] <lunitik> travail101: if you have scipts to run emerge -u world... sure
[07:37] <dr_willis> gentoo can be so up to date - its scary
[07:37] <dr_willis> :P
[07:37] <travail101> tovella: immediate machine is what stage3 GRP is for... you upgrade later when you don't need the machine
[07:37] <bignose-ork> bobthegoat: then you may need to choose the "advanced" configuration option, where you need to specify sync rates and the like
[07:37] <lunitik> MacIver: computer related... don't be a moron
[07:37] <bignose-ork> bobthegoat: be sure it's got the right adapter driver
[07:37] <travail101> lunitik: updating is automatic in Ubuntu? that scares me... Windows doesn't even do that
[07:37] <phillipc> command line package manager?
[07:37] <bobthegoat> bignose-ork,  it has the nvidia driver.
[07:38] <bobthegoat> and I did specify sync rates
[07:38] <MacIver> lunitik: well you are...you won't even tell me anything
[07:38] <bignose-ork> bobthegoat: ah, nvidia.  all bets are off.
[07:38] <bobthegoat> that came from my manual
[07:38] <lunitik> travail101: actually it does by default... and yes you can...
[07:38] <MacIver> lunitik: name one thing, please
[07:38] <bignose-ork> bobthegoat: next time choose hardware with specs available from the manufacturer so you don'y have to rely on the vendor's drivers
[07:38] <lunitik> MacIver: loading drivers... basic configuration of packages... dep resolution... network set up
[07:38] <bobthegoat> bignose-ork, I tried it with nv driver too. I'm not sure what the problem is it worked correctly in debian with nv and nvidia driver.
[07:38] <lunitik> MacIver: none of that is easy on slack
[07:38] <phillipc> what is the CLI package management command?
[07:39] <tovella> travail101: i see.  when i first installed it, i needed to prove i was a true geek, so i only looked at the stage one & stage ii stuff.  after that, I vowed to never do it again until i got a second PC to use as a backup.
[07:39] <lunitik> phillipc: dpkg or ap
[07:39] <bignose-ork> phillipc: aptitude
[07:39] <lunitik> phillipc: apt-get
[07:39] <phillipc> bignose-ork: thanks
[07:39] <travail101> lunitik: well... I could see that being handy... but i would never use it... i like to see what's getting updated... but i bet gentoo will get an update notifier telling you to upgrade, and optionally automoting it, in the future
[07:39] <bignose-ork> phillipc: good for both CLI and full-screen console
[07:39] <MacIver> lunitik: well took me all of two minutes...but i guess different things are easier for different people
[07:39] <tovella> travail101: perhaps next time i will try the stage iii
[07:40] <MacIver> lunitik: but i'm glas you're happy with what you have now
[07:40] <lunitik> MacIver: takes me about 30 mins to set up a box after install with Slack... 30 mins longer than Ubuntu  :/
[07:40] <phillipc> unfortunately aptitude doesn't work in gnome terminal, as f10 brings up the _file menu in gnome-terminal. Ill foresight.
[07:40] <MacIver> lunitik: i've gotta sleep
[07:40] <tovella> travail101: in fact, i have an old powerPC 604 that someone gave to me... maybe i'll try it on that machine.
[07:40] <bignose-ork> phillipc: tell the gnome terminal not to grab F10
[07:40] <MacIver> g'night
[07:40] <travail101> tovella: yeah, :-P well once the Installer project is done, you can install Gentoo with Binaries from a GUI, then update everything later if you want... an emerge -eDu world will recompile everything down to GCC
[07:40] <bignose-ork> phillipc: Edit menu -> Keyboard shortcuts
[07:41] <lunitik> phillipc: ctrl+alt+f1 ... why would you not want to use Synaptic in the GUI?
[07:41] <phillipc> lunitik: just testing this thing out
[07:41] <bignose-ork> lunitik: because synaptic doesn't know about aptitude's auto-managed packages
[07:41] <bignose-ork> lunitik: for one
[07:41] <mainer> yep or "poor-mans install" or copy live-cd to hdd,for quick working system,like any other..
[07:41] <lunitik> bignose-ork: none issue if he's new to aptitude  :/
[07:41] <travail101> tovella: but currently a Stage 3 GRP install will get you the same thing, with a little more work, and all from the CLI
[07:42] <travail101> but still very fast
[07:42] <bignose-ork> lunitik: au contraire, I think it's an *excellent* feature for newbies
[07:42] <travail101> since it's all binary
[07:42] <lunitik> bignose-ork: 3 years of having it around... I have still yet to fuck with aptitude  :/
[07:42] <mainer> try phaeronix live-cd,gentoo-based fork
[07:43] <bignose-ork> lunitik: the water's fine, come on in any time :-)
[07:43] <IamJacksUsername> Is there a way to have scrollbars and the minimize, max, close buttons on the left in Gnome?
[07:43] <lunitik> bignose-ork: pos ... I just use apt-get/apt-cache ... and have tried to force myself to use synaptic since Ubuntu  :/
[07:43] <phillipc> lunitik, bignose-ork: new to debian, came from gentoo. I needed a few dev packages for experimental mono from sarge, I downloaded and installed them using qpkg. Should I have done that with aptitude?
[07:43] <mainer> no do gnome,sorry
[07:43] <bignose-ork> lunitik: for me, logging package actions is also very much workth the entry fee
[07:43] <bur[n] er> phillipc: dpkg actually
[07:43] <travail101> anyway, I'm going to bed, then i'm gonna wake up in a few hours, and start my day this day is gonna suck...
[07:43] <lunitik> phillipc: doesn't matter... enless something went wrong...
[07:44] <phillipc> yeah, dpkg
[07:44] <tovella> lunitik: i feel sorry for you... aptitude is all i use for my debian partitions now-a-days.
[07:44] <Hobocop> oh god this is the worst instalation on the internet
[07:44] <IamJacksUsername> Thanks mainer, off to get kubuntu.
[07:44] <lunitik> tovella: I don't... wondering around a gui is a bitch
[07:44] <mainer> doen't matter: they're all apt-get front ends,for switching between apt-sources,synaptic is more user friendliy,imo
[07:44] <bignose-ork> lunitik: but the good thing is, you can keep on using whatever you want to use, aptitude doesn't force you to use it :-)
[07:44] <lunitik> tovella: I'd rather not have to do that if I already know what I want to do
[07:45] <travail101> just emerge it :-P
[07:45] <bignose-ork> lunitik: I hope you'll educate yourself about what makes aptitude good though.
[07:45] <travail101> night folks
[07:45] <lunitik> travail101: stfu about Gentoo... seriously
[07:45] <lunitik> yay
[07:45] <lunitik> bignose-ork: doubtful it will happen... looks too much like dselect ... worst tool I have ever seen/used
[07:47] <mikeco> http://bash.org/?282982
[07:47] <tovella> lunitik: i don't aptitude in gui mode, only as a command...
[07:47] <tovella> aptitude update, aptitude dist-upgrade, etc.
[07:47] <tovella> aptitude has some nice command-line parameters like purge, and some other you don't get with apt-get.
[07:48] <tovella> or synaptic, for that matter.
[07:48] <spacey> apt-get can --purge
[07:48] <mainer> aptitude is usually better for installing meta-packages,imo
[07:48] <lunitik> mainer: huh? meta-packages are fine with any tool  :/
[07:48] <phillipc> monodevelop pkg I got from somewhere requires "libc6 (>=2.3.2.ds1-21) but 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13 is to be installed." Is that something I should try and upgrade?
[07:49] <mainer> Kpackage will purge and apt-fixup
[07:49] <IIIEars> "meta-packages"?
[07:50] <lunitik> IIIEars: packages that only depend other packages... but I digress, he has no idea what he's talking about
[07:50] <tovella> i learn something new every time i connect to irc. :)
[07:50] <IIIEars> "" tovella
[07:50] <spacey> only think what aptitude can do and i don't know if apt-get can is verify metapackages already installed.
[07:51] <spacey> not sure but i guess you have te remove and the install them in apt-get, but its probably a paramter :)
[07:51] <lunitik> spacey: aptitude is just a fancy frontend to apt... whereas dselect was a fancy frontend to dpkg
[07:51] <smouche> personally, I like kpackage, myself
[07:51] <lunitik> although, I use 'fancy' loosely
[07:51] <lunitik> loosly?
[07:52] <smouche> much better interface than synaptic
[07:52] <spacey> i just apt-get, only thing i use aptititude for is aptititude install ~tubuntu-desktop sometimes:)
[07:52] <tovella> anybody know how to make console type-ahead work?
[07:52] <mainer> yep,i still got a debian 0.x cd somewhere,before x-windows got created,i think,very old
[07:52] <mainer> deselect was it..
[07:52] <lunitik> tovella: tab completion? I don't think bash has type-ahead?
[07:53] <yfir> type ahead?
[07:53] <mainer> i use all of them for different purposes at.t.m.
[07:53] <lunitik> yfir: tries to guess what you mean as you type...
[07:53] <smouche> there's a completion command - just a sec
[07:53] <mainer> nite-all,later
[07:54] <bobthegoat> question: Where does the gnome "screen resolution" utility get it's list of resolutions from?
[07:54] <IIIEars> G'nite :)
[07:54] <lunitik> yfir: GTK has it... go type 'ctrl+l' and start typing things
[07:54] <tovella> yes, maybe that's what it's called "tab completion"
[07:54] <lunitik> yfir: in a open/save dialoge
[07:54] <lunitik> dialog
[07:54] <smouche> hmmm tovella, you just use tab, I think
[07:54] <lunitik> yfir: or just nautilus for that matter...
[07:55] <lunitik> tovella: just hit tab... zsh's tab completion is better thoug
[07:55] <lunitik> though
[07:55] <lunitik> fuck, I'm not that drunk, I should be typing better  :(
[07:55] <smouche> dropping your h's, e ?
[07:55] <smouche> h
[07:56] <geneo93> your speech is sluring
[07:56] <lunitik> smouche: random letters... I think my thumbs are getting lazy  :(
[07:56] <tovella> no i mean like the "tab completion" in mepis... more complete.
[07:56] <smouche> and you're dropping you r's...
[07:56] <lunitik> geneo93: nah...
[07:56] <lunitik> tovella: does mepis use zsh?
[07:57] <tovella> the default is bash, i think.
[07:57] <geneo93> maybe you need to hook up festvox to work with irc
[07:57] <lunitik> tovella: look through the shell environment variables
[07:57] <lunitik> tovella: the .bashrc etc... or .zshrc ... see what they have set...
[07:57] <tovella> yes, bash.
[07:58] <yfir> hey, what is a good way to determine if the network is up? for a script.
[07:58] <lunitik> tovella: no point guessing when you have an example of something thats doing what you want  ;)
[07:58] <IIIEars> how do i log in to a cvs repository at mozilla?
[07:58] <geneo93> ifconf
[07:58] <lunitik> IIIEars: they have documentation forthat
[07:58] <lunitik> for that
[07:58] <lunitik> grrr
[07:59] <tovella> lunitik: everything looks pretty basic execpt for the "PS1="\[\] [\W] #\[\]  "" line
[07:59] <smouche> isn't that ifconfig ?  not ifconf
[07:59] <yfir> smouche: yes it is
[07:59] <IIIEars> okay. - thanks - would love to have user agent switcher be a bit different.
[07:59] <lunitik> IIIEars: http://www.mozilla.org/cvs.html    you suck @ google
[07:59] <tovella> perhaps i'll have to ask warren how he got it working.
[08:00] <lunitik> tovella: yeah... thats just the prompt  :/
[08:00] <lunitik> tovella: see what version of bash?
[08:00] <IIIEars> lol - (i am not lazy! - erm - okay maybe i am...)
[08:00] <tovella> bash 3.0-14
[08:01] <ningo> http://members.home.nl/saen/Special/zoeken.html
[08:01] <lapse> When trying to run an mp3-file in xmms it just freezes. :o The mp3 file is located on a mounted win drive. It works in totem.
[08:01] <lunitik> tovella: same (major) version as Ubuntu... hmm
[08:01] <yfir> lapse, try configuring xmms to use esd rather than oss/alsa
[08:02] <lunitik> tovella: .bash_profile?
[08:02] <lunitik> tovella: /etc/profile ?
[08:02] <lunitik> lapse: you have xmms-mad installed right?
[08:02] <smouche> i noticed that with xmms with my windows shares.  I have no clue.  kaffeine is the only player that handles my mp3's well off my lan.
[08:02] <lunitik> smouche: soo... xine?
[08:03] <lapse> lunitik, , hmh, have no idea. did this apt to install it
[08:03] <smouche> I think so, lunitik.
[08:03] <lunitik> smouche: kaffeine is nothing more than a frontend
[08:03] <tovella> lunitik: those and .bashrc all look pretty standard.
[08:03] <smouche> yes, xine.
[08:03] <lunitik> tovella: strange...
[08:03] <smouche> but it works better than totem anyway!
[08:03] <lunitik> tovella: there has to be some setting they have by default that you want... if the behavior is different
[08:04] <lunitik> tovella: define 'more complete tab completion'
[08:04] <smouche> on my system.  But it, and I, are weird, I admit.
[08:04] <lunitik> smouche: same backend... although default totem version sucks in Ubuntu... totem-gstreamer has no useful codecs  :/
[08:05] <dr_willis> ive  seen some bash completion projects that vastly expand the bash tab-completion.
[08:05] <smouche> xine-ui brings codecs with it, I think, yes?
[08:05] <lunitik> smouche: no... but it is smart about codecs... ie can see /usr/lib/win32
[08:05] <tovella> lunitik: i can not only type apti [tab]  to get aptitude, but ins [tab]  to get install, and gnome-des [tab]  to get desktop...
[08:05] <tovella> for aptitude install gnome-desktop.
[08:05] <smouche> ah, interesting, lunitik.
[08:06] <tovella> it continues completion beyond just the command, to include the options.
[08:06] <lunitik> tovella: hit tab twice... its because too much starts with 'ins' (for instance)
[08:07] <tovella> lunitik: just an example.
[08:07] <lunitik> tovella: just saying ... could be as simple as nothing else starting with that name
[08:08] <lunitik> tovella: zsh can scroll through them by hitting tab again
[08:08] <tovella> perhaps you'd have to try mepis to get a better example of what i mean.
[08:08] <lunitik> tovella: I have... noticed nothing different
[08:09] <lunitik> (other than bloat hah)
[08:10] <lapse> yfir, thanks for the help with xmms, changed to esound and now it works. :p
[08:10] <tovella> lunitik: maybe you just didn't see what i did... i found the function by accident, but now i use it every day on my mepis partition.
[08:11] <smouche> I see what tovella means; I'm trying to get tab to complete successive words, and it won't do it...
[08:11] <yfir> lapse: that's usually the problem with xmms/mplayer
[08:11] <yfir> lapse: people here give all kinds of advice, but 9 times out of 10 it's because those players aren't set up to use esd at first
[08:12] <lapse> yfir, ah :D
[08:12] <tovella> smouche: successive words... yeah that's what i mean.
[08:13] <yfir> lapse: you know, you could do it the other way and kill esd :) but i won't get into that...
[08:13] <lunitik> yfir: actually useful... if you want to listen to music in peace... and have everything else stfu  :
[08:13] <lapse> yfir, :o This works just fine ^
[08:14] <lunitik> yfir: most come from Fedora etc though, distro's that don't use a sound server by defult
[08:14] <lunitik> default
[08:15] <yfir> lunitik: maybe true :) i have to kill esd on occasion though because i use some audio apps that don't support it
[08:15] <lunitik> yfir: ahh... like what?
[08:15] <IIIEars> does Audacity support it?
[08:16] <yfir> lunitik: audacity for one :)
[08:16] <smouche> I can't understand why, when I typed   bash -v  , I got the .bashrc file, and no version number...
[08:17] <lunitik> smouche: bash --version
[08:17] <smouche> thanks, lunitik -- but I thought -v was version!
[08:17] <smouche> this page is kind of interesting re bash command completion -- http://www.caliban.org/bash/index.shtml
[08:18] <IIIEars> hm - have to check it out.
[08:18] <smouche> or maybe not...
[08:19] <lunitik> smouche: -v = verbos
[08:19] <lunitik> e
[08:20] <lunitik> Would be better if they made -V = version though  >:|
[08:22] <jriche> hi
[08:22] <dr_willis> hello
[08:22] <smouche> thanks, lunitik
[08:22] <jriche> I have 2 drives, one SATA 120gb with windows already on it, one IDE 20gb that I just installed ubuntu on. Currently, I'm in ubuntu and I am messing with grub trying to get it to boot windows off of its SATA drive...
[08:23] <jriche> I did not mess with any options on install,
[08:23] <PSIplus> Hi!
[08:24] <ircbot_> hey anyone have an ipod?
[08:24] <PSIplus> Why can't I create files in ubuntu larger than 2GB? when i pack some stuff with zip it always fails at 2GB with maximum file size exeeded...
[08:24] <jriche> anybody?
[08:24] <PSIplus> (standard ubuntu hoary)
[08:24] <jriche> because
[08:24] <jriche> you have to make it output to stdout
[08:25] <jriche> and pipe it to /dev/null
[08:25] <jriche> duh
[08:25] <jriche> PSIplus, would you like instructions?
[08:25] <PSIplus> please
[08:25] <jriche> ok hold
[08:25] <Keizer> Installing Hoary on a G4 PowerBook
[08:27] <jriche> PSIplus, zip myzipfilename myfolder/ | cat > /dev/null
[08:27] <jriche> that should do it
[08:28] <PSIplus> jeriche: ... I asked about large file support in kernel or something like that, not how to pipe terabytes into a black hole... LoL...
[08:28] <jriche> it solves all problems
[08:29] <Agrajag> You can store as much data as you want in there
[08:29] <jriche> I have 2 drives, one SATA 120gb with windows already on it, one IDE 20gb that I just installed ubuntu on. Currently, I'm in ubuntu and I am messing with grub trying to get it to boot windows off of its SATA drive... anybody done SATA stuff in ubuntu/grub/windows?
[08:29] <jriche> Agrajag, yes, I use it as my backup solution in our IT staff
[08:29] <Agrajag> getting it back out poses a bit of a problem, but hey, get yourself a doctorate in astrophysics and you'll find a way
[08:30] <jriche> oh
[08:30] <jriche> to get it back
[08:30] <jriche> you just cat /dev/random
[08:30] <Agrajag> hey this isn't what I put in there
[08:30] <Agrajag> and it just stopped
[08:30] <jriche> hehe
[08:30] <jriche> it takes a few tries
[08:31] <Agrajag> (/dev/urandom won't block if it runs out of entropy)
[08:34] <IIIEars> Can i create an icon for a command?
[08:36] <dr_willis> IIIEars,  sure.
[08:36] <esher> hrhr
[08:36] <esher> http://spaces.msn.com/
[08:36] <esher> this logo i know from a other distribution
[08:37] <IIIEars> it would be nice to get a helpful answer here it is the support channel for Ubuntu. :/
[08:38] <esher> IIIEars, right click on desktop ?
[08:38] <esher> to get an selfmade icon/programm starter
[08:39] <bignose-ork> IIIEars: by "for a command" do you mean "for an application launcher", like on a panel?
[08:40] <bignose-ork> IIIEars: i.e. please describe what you currently have, and what you would like to have
[08:41] <IIIEars> That was helpful - Thank You. :)  - New to linux (36 hours)
[08:41] <IIIEars> clamscan
[08:41] <dazed|> hows everyone doin
[08:42] <IIIEars> no reboots - is my computer really on? - wide grin
[08:42] <stevenj> I installed Nvidia glx and settings but when I run glx enable it says just change nv to nvidia in xorg---why is this even there why does all the instructions say enable glx?
[08:43] <IIIEars> dazed, great!
[08:43] <stevenj> anyway I updated kernel to 686 --- and installed glx and got a big speed improvement in gnome it seems
[08:43] <IIIEars> linux euphoria - windows will be nothing but a bad dream in a couple of weeks
[08:43] <bignose-ork> stevenj: nvidia don't allow free software developers to make free software drivers for their 3D
[08:44] <bignose-ork> stevenj: thus there are lots of rough edges trying to get their proprietary drivers into the free software
[08:44] <elcu> stevenj: what instructions did you foolow for kernel upgrade?
[08:45] <stevenj> elcu, unbuntu guide....but its in error (IMO) for example
[08:46] <phillipc> this libsvn package in synaptic wants me to insert my cd. How can I tell it to download instead of looking for it on the cd?
[08:46] <stevenj> elcu, 'sudo nvidia-glx-config enable' -- what is this for in the instructions?
[08:46] <stevenj> elcu, it does not do anything-does it?
[08:46] <elcu> stevenj: dunno, i have an ati card
[08:47] <bignose-ork> phillipc: you can choose to never get anything from the CD again
[08:47] <bignose-ork> phillipc: by commenting out the CD entry in your /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:47] <phillipc> bignose-ork: ah, thankye. The GUI needs to be able to do that
[08:47] <bignose-ork> phillipc: after an 'aptitude update', your available package list will not include the CD.
[08:47] <eszanthrick> stevenj, it turns on the driver.. if it is on, by default you will see an nividia logo when you boot up
[08:48] <elcu> stevenj: i was actually asking which instructions you used, because i want to upgrade *my* kernel :)
[08:48] <phillipc> bignose-ork: thanks, you're very helpful
[08:48] <bignose-ork> phillipc: the GUI doesn't really need to do that.  going from CD works fine.
[08:48] <bignose-ork> phillipc: welcome
[08:49] <stevenj> elcu, apt get 686 kernel :) thats all
[08:49] <phillipc> bignose-ork: what I mean is, it should let me disable it. It asks me to put the cd in, and if it fails, it doesn't bother hitting the net, it just fails.
[08:49] <bignose-ork> phillipc: under what circumstances does it fail to load from CD?
[08:49] <stevenj> eszanthrick, well all it does for me is this -- "Error: your X configuration has been altered.
[08:49] <stevenj> This script cannot proceed automatically. If you believe that this
[08:49] <stevenj> not correct, you can update the md5sum entry executing the following
[08:49] <stevenj> command:
[08:49] <stevenj> md5sum /etc/X11/xorg.conf | sudo tee /var/lib/xfree86/xorg.conf.md5sum
[08:49] <stevenj> otherwise edit manually /etc/X11/xorg.conf to change the Driver section
[08:50] <stevenj> from nv to nvidia.
[08:50] <stevenj> oopps sorry
[08:50] <stevenj> is that what its suppose to say?
[08:50] <eszanthrick> stevenj, i had the same problem after turning off the nividia logo... follow the commands(eg.. md5sum ..)
[08:50] <bignose-ork> yep, it's supposed to say "oopps sorry"
[08:50] <phillipc> bignose-ork: when I don't have the cd in, and don't want to put it in.
[08:50] <bignose-ork> I'd file a bug report :-)
[08:51] <elcu> stevenj or anyone else: (1)how do you know if you should change from 386 to 686. (2)is it risky? (3)does it matter if your system is out-of-date (i.e. running Warty, and haven't upgraded all packages because i'm only on dialup).
[08:51] <bignose-ork> phillipc: the GUI is only doing what any apt interface can do
[08:51] <bignose-ork> phillipc: if you want to change the list of sources, there's apt-setup
[08:51] <eszanthrick> stevenj, I'm new to linux, so I don't know what it exactly does.. but I think the md5sum makes sure the file hasn't been modified.. so if you modify it by hand, it will change
[08:52] <bignose-ork> phillipc: 'sudo apt-setup'
[08:52] <stevenj> elcu, read this ------ http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=28911&highlight=686
[08:53] <stevenj>  elcu, 686 info
[08:53] <elcu> stevenj: thanks.
[08:53] <stevenj>  elcu, I have a P4 so its optimized for my processor
[08:54] <elcu> so do i.  woohoo!
[08:54] <elcu> Linux ubuntu 2.6.8.1-3-386 #1 Tue Oct 12 12:41:57 BST 2004 i686 GNU/Linux
[08:54] <stevenj> elcu, just install it and grub will automatically boot with it
[08:54] <stevenj> elcu, run that again and you will see the new 686 kernel
[08:55] <stevenj> elcu, after you reboot :)
[08:55] <elcu> what about my 2nd and 3rd questions?
[08:55] <eszanthrick> elcu, for 2.. I don't think it's risky, you can still boot into the 386 kernel if you want through grub
[08:56] <stevenj> elcu, risky (nothing is safe in IMO) --- I have been using for it for a few hours and everything seemed a little faster
[08:57] <elcu> ok, how about 3?
[08:58] <eszanthrick> stevenj, when you get the nvidia driver to work, you'll probably want to read this.. the NVidia logo is rather bright and annoying.. http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#disablenvidialogo
[08:58] <stevenj> eszanthrick,  dont think its actually nes. to run enable glx -- simply modify xorg to nvidia
[08:58] <cyphase> has anyone had problems installing mod_python on ubuntu?
[08:59] <stevenj> eszanthrick, its working...I just had the question about the enable thing that does'nt do anything :)
[08:59] <cyphase> or can someone tell me what needs to be done besides just apt-getting the packages?
[09:00] <eszanthrick> oh, it works if the md5sum is updated though, through the command provided.. and disable turns it off
[09:00] <locomorto> cyphase what was the original question?
[09:01] <cyphase> locomort: has anyone had problems installing mod_python on ubuntu?
[09:01] <cyphase> locomorto*
[09:01] <cyphase> lol
[09:02] <etvous> hi
[09:03] <locomorto> hi
[09:04] <etvous> i just downoloaded the live iso file, i burned it but cannot boot on it (my bios is ok for that). to burn i used xcdroast
[09:04] <locomorto> check your bios
[09:04] <locomorto> and the boot order
[09:04] <locomorto> in most cases it is set to boot from the hd before the cd
[09:04] <etvous> yes yes the order is ok
[09:04] <locomorto> change that around
[09:04] <locomorto> hmm
[09:05] <etvous> i wonder about the .img file to put the cd bootable what about that ?
[09:05] <cyphase> etvous: are you sure you changed the boot order? because it isn't the only list of devices
[09:05] <etvous> i use my cdwriter to boot on it. is it ok ?
[09:05] <stevenj> whats the deal with the proxyscan.freenode?
[09:05] <cyphase> etvous: yes
[09:06] <cyphase> etvous: do you have more then 1 CD/DVD drive?
[09:06] <etvous> ok and about the .img file do i need that file ?
[09:06] <locomorto> put the cd into our computer NOW, and dont reboot
[09:06] <locomorto> next open up my computer go into the CD drive
[09:06] <etvous> cyphase, yes i have a dvd and a writer
[09:06] <Keizer> Sup guys
[09:07] <Keizer> I'm on PPC Hoary
[09:07] <cyphase> etvous: make sure you selected the correct drive for first boot
[09:07] <etvous> locomorto, i am on a fedora box :)
[09:07] <Keizer> I uncommented the Universe lines but I still can't use Universe
[09:07] <locomorto> ah
[09:07] <locomorto> anyway, do the equivlent of that in fedora
[09:07] <cyphase> Keizer: did you save the file?
[09:07] <Keizer> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hoary/universe Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_hoary_universe_binary-powerpc_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[09:07] <cyphase> Keizer: it's been known to happen ;)
[09:08] <locomorto> and ensure that you didnlt just cipy the .iso onto the CD
[09:08] <etvous> hmm ok cyphase. and what about the img file do i need that file to make my cd bootable or it is just need to burn the live iso file and that's all ?
[09:08] <Keizer> LOL i'm using the copy I just installed
[09:08] <etvous> locomorto, it's ok i just mounted that new cd and i have all the file hierarchy
[09:08] <cyphase> etvous: you don't need any extra files. all you need to do is burn the iso/img/whatever file onto the CD
[09:08] <Keizer> It's PPC on a G4 PowerBook
[09:09] <Keizer> I think I just forgot to do apt-get update
[09:09] <Keizer> That was it
[09:09] <etvous> ok cyphase thx a lot ... i'll try again
[09:09] <cyphase> etvous: np
[09:10] <locomorto> hmm
[09:10] <etvous> thx to you too locomorto :)
[09:10] <locomorto> try running a md5 command on the iso file you downloaded to ensure it didn'y get corrupted
[09:10] <etvous> ok c u
[09:10] <membreya> gah..my reisferfs has given up the ghost :|
[09:11] <membreya> ReiserFS: sda5: warning: sh-2021: reiserfs_fill_super: can not find reiserfs on sda5
[09:12] <shinu> hey everyone!
[09:12] <shinu> whats the command to set up my keyboard map?
[09:12] <ompaul> membreya, ReiserFS: $disk: warning: watch me loose your data faster then you can put it on the disk (okay thats not fair but it ate months of stuff on me a couple of years ago)
[09:13] <cyphase> has anyone had problems installing mod_python on ubuntu?
[09:13] <cyphase> or can someone tell me what needs to be done besides just apt-getting the packages?
[09:14] <ompaul> shinu, you can set that from within gnome-control-center - I can never find the button for it so I start it from the command line
[09:14] <membreya> ompaul: should I try reiserfsck to rebuild the superblock?
[09:14] <ompaul> membreya ya
[09:15] <ompaul> membreya ya should do that
[09:15] <shinu> ompaul: but i dont want that :D trying to switch to xfce so i want to change the mapping in the xterm(or something like that :))
[09:16] <locomorto> system -> Prefrences -> Keyboard Shortcuts
[09:17] <membreya> ompaul: now I'm getting Bad root block 0 :|
[09:17] <membreya> meep
[09:17] <membreya> its my 90gb partition too
[09:17] <ompaul> shinu, all wms have their own config files it is almost 8 years since I used xfce so no use to you there
[09:19] <ompaul> membreya, ooch
[09:19] <ompaul> membreya, gime a min with a book or two and lets see if I have anything that might be useful for that
[09:21] <imsdle> i can't seem to get my internet sharing working on my unbuntu box.. im using dial up and want to access the internet through the ubuntu box (or did i just say that)
[09:22] <locomorto> what internt provider imsdle?
[09:23] <colombus> bonjour
[09:23] <ompaul> colombus, good morning to you
[09:23] <shinu> :)
[09:24] <locomorto> evi;
[09:24] <locomorto> evil*
[09:24] <etvous> re
[09:24] <colombus> hello
[09:24] <cyphase> can someone tell me what apache directives i need to add to have mod_python process scripts?
[09:24] <colombus> j'ai un probleme avec totem
[09:25] <etvous> i am now on my new ubuntu live cd but cannot become root ... howto do that
[09:25] <locomorto> sudo
[09:25] <GammaRay> close
[09:25] <ompaul> membreya, if you offer the following to the command line what do you get back? fsck -y /dev/sda1 ?
[09:25] <locomorto> actually
[09:25] <GammaRay> sudo su
[09:25] <locomorto> man sudo ;)
[09:25] <etvous> ok thx all :)
[09:25] <locomorto> use sudo
[09:25] <locomorto> its better once you get used to it
[09:25] <GammaRay> locomorto: oh the horror
[09:26] <locomorto> not horror: magic
[09:26] <ompaul> membreya, the fsck command should have some brains to figure out what it is looking at
[09:26] <locomorto> its like spaital nautilus
[09:26] <GammaRay> if man sudo is anything like the typical man sudo....
[09:26] <membreya> ompaul: #flood
[09:26] <GammaRay> etvous won't be seen for days
[09:26] <imsdle> in new zealand
[09:27] <etvous> i think i am not the 'etvous' you know
[09:27] <imsdle> locomorto ... my internet provider is in new zealand..
[09:27] <locomorto> and is called?
[09:27] <imsdle> slingshot
[09:27] <GammaRay> etvous: I know of one?
[09:28] <shinu> how can i put an account in the root group?
[09:29] <etvous> GammaRay, sorry my english is poor 'i know of one ???'
[09:29] <locomorto> I had a similar problem with Debian.  The solution I tried that seemed to
[09:29] <locomorto> work was I had to remove 'auth' from /etc/ppp/options
[09:29] <locomorto> Maybe it is appropriate for you too.
[09:29] <locomorto> foudnt hat on the internet
[09:29] <locomorto> found*
[09:29] <GammaRay> etvous: I don't know of any other etvous is what I tried to say
[09:30] <locomorto> if that fails, you could TRY to call your isp
[09:30] <membreya> ompaul: should I boot to liveCD and do a fsck on the whole drive? my rootFS is reiserFS as well and no problems
[09:30] <locomorto> it might not work however
[09:30] <colombus> i have a problem with totem
[09:30] <locomorto> apt-get install totem-xine
[09:30] <locomorto> then come back
[09:30] <ompaul> membreya, that is a good idea - have you got a spare disk like sdb hanging around?
[09:30] <colombus> no with totem itself
[09:30] <GammaRay> I knew someone who called my isp... was sucked through the tiny holes on the phone
[09:30] <locomorto> i know
[09:31] <locomorto> do that anyway
[09:31] <membreya> ompaul: only a network drive..most of my data, including my backup, was on my 90gb partition
[09:31] <shinu> whats the equivalent in ubuntu of fedora's system-config-users?
[09:31] <ompaul> membreya, arrrrrr
[09:31] <colombus> no doesn't work
[09:31] <locomorto> ok what is your problem
[09:31] <membreya> ompaul: it's no biggy..most of the partition was music vids (43gb)
[09:32] <membreya> oh shiiiiiiiiiiit...my photos!
[09:32] <ompaul> membreya, well it looks like the safest thing to do is to boot from that livecd
[09:32] <locomorto> colombus?
[09:32] <membreya> i have most of my photos backed up thankfully...and the rest I have in emails
[09:32] <colombus> it says ressourse busy or not avaible
[09:32] <ompaul> membreya, well I would try the live cd
[09:32] <torpid> can anyone tell me how to use wget to download every file linked to by url's in a page?
[09:33] <locomorto> can you try opening it from the terminal?
[09:33] <locomorto> ie
[09:33] <torpid> i've read the man page but i can't see any way to do that.
[09:33] <locomorto> totem
[09:33] <colombus> the same with the terminel
[09:33] <GammaRay> torpid: tried -r ?
[09:33] <ompaul> membreya, and then move data around until you can kill the partition and start again
[09:33] <locomorto> what does it say in the terminal tho
[09:33] <membreya> lol
[09:33] <membreya> thanks ompaul :P
[09:33] <torpid> GammaRay that works for a directory listin.
[09:33] <Kartagis> hello
[09:33] <locomorto> dies it have a error message in it?
[09:33] <membreya> when I tried to mount it in the livecd it said it was a swapFS which is bollocks
[09:33] <colombus> same thing it open a dialog box with the same msg
[09:34] <Kartagis> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[09:34] <Kartagis>   gstreamer0.8-mad: Depends: libid3tag0 (>= 0.15.0b) but it is not installable
[09:34] <Kartagis>                     Depends: libmad0 (>= 0.15.1b) but it is not installable <--- why does this happen?
[09:34] <locomorto> do you have universe and multiverse enabled?
[09:34] <GammaRay> torpid: it also follow links on html
[09:34] <colombus> yes
[09:34] <mebaran151> my xpdf segfaults on AMD64
[09:34] <locomorto> also marrialt can help Kartigis
[09:34] <mebaran151> and compiling from source fails too
[09:34] <locomorto> Kartagis*
[09:34] <membreya> ompaul: I'm starting to think it has something to do with the latest Breezy updates :|
[09:35] <Mestapheles> guys will there ever be a ubuntu-freeBSD?
[09:35] <locomorto> memarn151: try acrobat reader 7
[09:35] <locomorto> no
[09:35] <mebaran151> AMD64
[09:35] <locomorto> BSD != Linux
[09:35] <Mestapheles> or ubuntu-hurd?
[09:35] <mebaran151> locomorto, I can't use adobe yet
[09:35] <torpid> GammaRay it doesn't do anything.
[09:35] <mebaran151> they dont port to me
[09:35] <Kartagis> locomorto: let me see
[09:35] <colombus> there is no msg in the termeinal for totem
[09:35] <torpid> it just downloads the index.html
[09:35] <mebaran151> I doubt that it is statically compiled
[09:35] <ompaul> membreya, if you run a dev system you can get burned
[09:35] <Kartagis> locomorto: both universe and multiverse?
[09:35] <locomorto> yes
[09:36] <ompaul> membreya, at least once every development cycle
[09:36] <membreya> it's not dev..it's just arm and fuzzy daily updates :P
[09:36] <locomorto> mebaran151: why not?
[09:37] <GammaRay> torpid: well wget -r http://fog.ccsf.edu/~gboyd/ certainly does for me
[09:37] <Remenic> what's that, pr0n?
[09:37] <Kartagis> deb http://tr.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary multiverse
[09:37] <Kartagis> deb-src http://tr.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary multiverse <--- locomorto, like this?
[09:38] <mebaran151> locomorto, I cant because it Adobe 7 is i386
[09:38] <mebaran151> I am on AMD64 64 bit native
[09:38] <GammaRay> Remenic: yep.. he just got tenure and he's posting porn already
[09:38] <locomorto> yes
[09:38] <mebaran151> it wont install
[09:38] <colombus> totem bugs since i install fglrx
[09:38] <torpid> it gets all the files in that directory, or all of the files linked to from index?
[09:39] <mebaran151> my xmms also silently fails
[09:39] <mebaran151> no error in console
[09:39] <locomorto> rythem box isn;t that bad actually
[09:39] <locomorto> once you get it too play mp3's
[09:39] <locomorto> mp3s*
[09:39] <Kartagis> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[09:39] <Kartagis>   gstreamer0.8-mad: Depends: libid3tag0 (>= 0.15.0b) but it is not installable
[09:39] <Kartagis>                     Depends: libmad0 (>= 0.15.1b) but it is not installable <--- locomorto, still same
[09:40] <mebaran151> xmms starts
[09:40] <mebaran151> has a little console flicker
[09:40] <torpid> GammaRay do you live in SF?
[09:40] <Bazzi> Kartagis add universe aswell
[09:40] <colombus> totem doesn't work
[09:40] <Kartagis> Bazzi: it's there too
[09:40] <GammaRay> torpid: yes
[09:40] <Bazzi> and you apt-get update -d?
[09:41] <Kartagis> oh, I didn't use -d switch
[09:41] <torpid> i work at cpmc davies
[09:41] <edulix> hi !
[09:41] <torpid> at castro and duboce
[09:41] <Bazzi> not with -d switch
[09:41] <Bazzi> :P
[09:42] <edulix> I have a dell inspiron 4150 laptop and want to control fans as my computer gets usually overheated, for example with i8k
[09:42] <edulix> how to activate support of i8k here ?
[09:42] <Kartagis> I used only apt-get update
[09:42] <colombus> wht does it mean resourse busy or inavaible
[09:43] <cyphase> has anyone here gotten mod_python to work?
[09:44] <colombus> ressource busy or not avaible for totem ??
[09:46] <colombus> ressource busy or not avaible for totem what does it mean?
[09:46] <Kartagis> Bazzi: http://www.nomorepasting.com/paste.php?pasteID=38184
[09:47] <Bazzi> thats not your whole sources.list is it?
[09:47] <Kartagis> Bazzi: these are just the uncommented ones
[09:47] <torpid> this is bizarre GammaRay .  it works for me for your site, but not for mine.  yet if i specificy one of the links on this page by name, it works.
[09:48] <Bazzi> Kartagis the main restricted stuff should be in there too
[09:48] <colombus> ressource busy or not avaible for totem what does it mean?
[09:48] <Kartagis> okay, going back to it
[09:49] <Kartagis> I am apt-get update'ing now
[09:49] <geneo93> anyone had any luck with gnomeradio
[09:49] <Kartagis> yes!
[09:49] <colombus> ressource busy or not avaible for totem what does it mean?
[09:51] <mebaran151> so xpdf segfaults on AMD64
[09:51] <mebaran151> any pkg maintainer out there who wants to fix it
[09:51] <mebaran151> it is supported in regular verse
[09:51] <locomorto> #ubuntu-devel
[09:52] <Kartagis> Bazzi: thank you so much man :)
[09:52] <colombus> ressource busy or not avaible for totem what does it mean?
[09:53] <Bazzi> pas de probleme
[09:55] <IIIEars> e
[09:55] <IIIEars> huh
[09:56] <looksaus> upgrade from warty to hoary problem
[09:56] <looksaus> x-window-system-core is stuck at xfree-4.3
[09:56] <looksaus> all the rest is dist-upgraded
[09:57] <looksaus> but this one is being kept back
[09:57] <looksaus> for whatever reason
[09:57] <colombus> do someone read me?
[09:57] <geneo93> reboot and run it again
[09:57] <membreya> ompaul: I'm in the LiveCD now, doing a  sudo reiserfsck --rebuild-tree /dev/sda5
[09:58] <looksaus> geneo93, was that a suggestion to me?
[09:58] <looksaus> because that obviously doesn't solve anything
[09:58] <geneo93> apt-get -f install
[09:59] <geneo93> hoary uses xorg
[09:59] <imsdle> when i share my interent connection on ubuntu (dialup internet) do i have to setup the proxy ip address on my other xp boxes? if so what is the port i use?
[09:59] <ompaul> membreya, and it is working?
[09:59] <ztonzy> if I want to remove xpdf it asks me to also remove ubuntu-desktop...how safe is this ?
[09:59] <membreya> ompaul: init_source_bitmap: Bitmap 0 (of 32768 bits) is wrong - mark all blocks [0 - 32768]  as used
[09:59] <membreya> Skipping 8906 blocks (super block, journal, bitmaps) 12813643 blocks will be read
[10:00] <ztonzy> I want to use Acrobat Reader 7 instead
[10:00] <membreya> ztonzy, ubuntu-desktop is a meta-package..so yes
[10:00] <membreya> ewwww
[10:00] <membreya> ompaul: it's 20% through
[10:00] <ztonzy> membreya, safe to remove ?  meta? what does it consist of ?
[10:00] <membreya> *fingers crossed*
[10:00] <ompaul> membreya, go for a tea or coffee and then come back
[10:00] <ompaul> :-)
[10:01] <Almindor> hello
[10:01] <ompaul> ztonzy, it is the graphical enviornment that you use - so you choose
[10:01] <Almindor> at boot I get "VFS: cannot find an Ext3 filesystem on /dev/hda2(my prim. "/" as reiserFS)
[10:01] <Almindor> is it a problem?
[10:01] <Almindor> (it boots ok)
[10:01] <ztonzy> ompaul, well...Ubuntu wants me to use xpdf AND Ubuntu, and if not I am screwed :P ?
[10:01] <torpid> is getting a socket 478 bad at this point?
[10:05] <matt1987> help i cant burn a dvd
[10:05] <matt1987> i need to burn a dvd.iso can anyone help
[10:05] <matt1987> please
[10:06] <rattboi> are you burning from Ubuntu or making an Ubuntu DVD?
[10:06] <elmaya> use gnome baker
[10:06] <ztonzy> matt1987, you got a dvd burner ;) ?
[10:06] <ztonzy> graveman seems nice too
[10:06] <rattboi> oh, I don't think there is an Ubuntu DVD, is there?
[10:06] <elmaya> nop
[10:07] <rattboi> I use K3B most of the time
[10:07] <rattboi> even though it looks a bit out of place
[10:07] <ztonzy> rattboi, I installed graveman and it looks to fit right into Gnome :)
[10:07] <ztonzy> rattboi, havent used it yet though
[10:08] <imsdle> does anyone kow how to share the dialup connection on ubuntu
[10:08] <rattboi> yeah, I know gbaker and graveman are GTK-based, so they look better, but the feature set isn't up to par yet, I think
[10:09] <ztonzy> rattboi, setup how? how do you mean?
[10:09] <matt1987> i got an ubuntu dvd .iso
[10:09] <matt1987> 2.6 gb
[10:09] <matt1987> oops
[10:09] <matt1987> 2.8
[10:10] <ircbot_> it possible to go from an ubuntu install to a kubuntu install... like add kubuntu deskop, remove gnome?
[10:11] <Choubaka> hmm
[10:11] <Choubaka> I guess
[10:11] <membreya> ircbot_, sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop ..and see how you like it :)
[10:11] <Bazzi> ircbot_ yes, install kubuntu-desktop and remove ubuntu-desktop should do the trick
[10:11] <Choubaka> Bazzi: no it doesn't
[10:11] <rattboi> ztonzy, I was saying that I don't think it has all the features
[10:11] <Kartagis> hmm, I can see that auido and video are not being synchronized. is there something to do about this?
[10:11] <Bazzi> ok then ti doesnt ;(
[10:12] <Choubaka> Bazzi: none of the ubuntu-desktop packages depend on ubuntu-desktop
[10:12] <xerxes1358> I want to edit my menu's. So I open a file browser and typed" applications:///" but I cant get in. it tells me that applications:/// is not  a valid location. What do I wrong ?
[10:12] <Choubaka> nothing :)
[10:12] <ircbot_> hmm
[10:12] <Choubaka> You can't edit the menus that way anymore
[10:12] <ircbot_> that's not a bad idea
[10:12] <torpid> if you are using ddr 400 ram, is it better to have 2 x 512 or 1x1024?
[10:12] <ztonzy> rattboi, maybe not...but then I dont burn mp3 and lot of other mediafiles...even though it seems to have audio capabilities , but you can have K3b as backup tool also
[10:12] <cyphase> what's your guys opinion about Python and PHP's place in web page scripting?
[10:13] <Choubaka> ircbot_: also, see "apt-cache depends ubuntu-desktop" to see what is installed with that package
[10:13] <ircbot_> Choubaka: i don't think i will... but i was just kinda curious if i could
[10:14] <ircbot_> because i finally got everything working right
[10:14] <Choubaka> of course it's possible.
[10:14] <Kartagis> Bazzi: hmm, I can see that auido and video are not being synchronized. is there something to do about this?
[10:14] <ircbot_> possible without breaking everything heh
[10:14] <Bazzi> dunno, didnt use multimedia in ubuntu myself yet
[10:15] <ircbot_> cyphase: what an off the wall question
[10:15] <Choubaka> Kartagis: Don't use crappy software mixing such as ESD
[10:15] <cyphase> lol
[10:15] <ircbot_> Choubaka: i use esd
[10:16] <ircbot_> Choubaka: and it works great
[10:16] <ircbot_> Choubaka: especially since i can't really put another sound card in a laptop
[10:16] <Choubaka> ircbot_: but it causes latencies.
[10:16] <matt1987> is there anyway i can write to my windows partiton it says i dont have permissions
[10:16] <Choubaka> so it's not suitable for video
[10:16] <Choubaka> matt1987: what filesystem is the partition?
[10:17] <matt1987> ntfs
[10:17] <Choubaka> forget it
[10:17] <ircbot_> yeah that's true
[10:17] <ircbot_> i do on occasion have problems with it and dvds
[10:17] <Choubaka> write support for NTFS is still crappy.
[10:17] <matt1987> i need to get htis dvd iso to my windows partitoon to burn it
[10:17] <matt1987> this*
[10:18] <Choubaka> though safe, but near useless.
[10:18] <ircbot_> then umm download it in windows matt1987
[10:18] <Kartagis> Choubaka: how do I change that
[10:18] <ircbot_> matt1987: why can't you burn it from whatever you are in now?
[10:18] <Choubaka> matt1987: put it on a fat32 partition
[10:18] <matt1987> what another 2.8 gb
[10:18] <matt1987> it comes up woth errors
[10:18] <Choubaka> or you can burn it using your current OS :P
[10:19] <matt1987> mine is ubuntu
[10:19] <ircbot_> ubuntu burns fine
[10:19] <matt1987> but gnome baker is shit it doesnt work
[10:19] <ircbot_> you watch your tongue
[10:19] <ircbot_> works fine
[10:19] <matt1987> sorry
[10:19] <ircbot_> i didn't mean about the cussing... no need to apologize to me... heh.
[10:19] <matt1987> so how can i put files on to a dvd
[10:19] <Choubaka> matt1987: "it doesn't work" is impossible to fix :P
[10:20] <ircbot_> matt1987: does it recognize your dvd burner?
[10:20] <matt1987> yeah
[10:20] <Kartagis> Choubaka: can I just change the device using Mixer?
[10:20] <matt1987> well itsees the burner
[10:20] <matt1987> and recognizes i have a blank media dvd-r
[10:21] <ircbot_> did you try "burn cd image" option under actions?
[10:22] <ircbot_> i've never had a problem burning ISO's under nix... hence my large collection of distros
[10:22] <BotServer> //quit $me == asshat
[10:23] <Choubaka> Kartagis: you'll also need to disable esd
[10:23] <ircbot_> i haven't been able to get sounds to play with alsa even after i killall esd
[10:23] <ircbot_> but i've had pretty good luck in not getting latency
[10:23] <ircbot_> most of the time
[10:24] <xerxes1358> Guys how do I edit my Gnome Menu ?
[10:24] <xerxes1358> I want to add a new app to it
[10:27] <matt1987> one more problem
[10:27] <BugBearHome> A few months ago someone gave me a sote which outlined how to use Ubuntu and ndiswrapper plus heaps of other things, i have googled but can't find it, does anyone know what it is?
[10:27] <matt1987> in gnome baker the file dosnt come up and in the file browser it disserpears so i have to close it and start it again to see it
[10:29] <ircbot_> matt1987: did you go to burn cd image?  and it only looks for iso's in that case
[10:29] <matt1987> its not a cd
[10:29] <matt1987> its an dvd
[10:29] <ircbot_> well unless there is a burn dvd image i'm thinking it doesn't matter
[10:30] <torpid> is socket 939 significantly better than socket 478?
[10:31] <ircbot_> yes
[10:31] <raywayray> moin
[10:31] <torpid> oh, but that's an amd thing only right?
[10:34] <torpid> why is this proc over 800$?
[10:34] <torpid> http://www2.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103496
[10:34] <Bazzi> because its the best
[10:35] <torpid> lol
[10:35] <membreya> i would say it's only 400mhz above my amd64..but it's an FX :P
[10:38] <torpid> i know i'm an idiot, but what's ata/sata compared to ide?  if this box is ata it won't support my ide drives in my current system right?
[10:39] <torpid> i'm trying to prevent having to buy anything extra if i can help it.
[10:42] <eszanthrick> sata is serial ata and uses a different cable. ata uses ide cables
[10:43] <membreya> technically it's SATA vs PATA :P
[10:44] <membreya> torpid: http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BRZ/is_11_22/ai_98977132
[10:44] <jfk303> Hey can I apt-get for the java sdk?
[10:44] <membreya> jfk303: you can't, go to www.ubuntuguide.org
[10:45] <mburns> you can*, go to ubuntuguide.ord
[10:45] <mburns> it is quite easy
[10:45] <membreya> :|
[10:45] <mburns> :)
[10:45] <cikilin> hello
[10:46] <cikilin> haw can i cahnge port in bittorrent?
[10:46] <cyphase> i'm currently working on a podcatcher, and am accepting requests for features. whats everyones favorite feature for a podcatcher?
[10:46] <jfk303> membreya, is their any particular bit your pointing e at, can't see anything about the java sdk
[10:47] <torpid> if any of you kind folks could look at this system: http://www2.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=0-N82E16856101457
[10:47] <torpid> i have purchased it with an amd 64 939 proc and some ddr400 ram.
[10:47] <Kartagis> Choubaka: still no luck, how can I go to where I mess with ESD and such?
[10:47] <torpid> i have hard ide hard drives, input devices, and monitor.
[10:47] <torpid> oh!  a dvdr
[10:49] <membreya> mburns: my apologies, it appears they have updated that recently..like within the past 2 weeks :|
[10:50] <membreya> jfk303: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#jre
[10:50] <membreya> I'm not running those repo's as I'm on Breezy, hang on
[10:51] <mburns> You're on Breez?!
[10:52] <membreya> ya
[10:52] <jfk303> membreya, will this install the java software development kit
[10:52] <membreya> jfk303: jre..hang on
[10:52] <jfk303> so i can run jdeveloper
[10:52] <markuman> can i use a ubuntu live cd for install?
[10:53] <BugBearHome> markuman: nope
[10:53] <BugBearHome> not to my knowledge anyway
[10:53] <Jimmothy> you can use the install cd though
[10:53] <mburns> how are you on breezy, I thought that was the October release that isn't even in beta yet?
[10:53] <Jimmothy> i hear good things of that one
[10:53] <membreya> mburns: it's out ..it's just a dev release :)
[10:54] <shinu_> how can i make shell aliases?
[10:54] <membreya> bewarned.. I fried my reiserfs tonight....recovered it thankfully
[10:54] <BugBearHome> hmmmm, i wonder how long this installing packages takes after installing ubuntu
[10:54] <membreya> shinu_: nano .bashrc
[10:54] <mburns> I don't even know what features I shoudl be excited for yet, let alone ready to install it on a box:)
[10:54] <shinu_> says instead of xterm i want it to run xterm+someoptions
[10:54] <shinu_> membreya: i could as well use vi right?
[10:55] <Jimmothy> like xterm -fg white -bg black etc.?
[10:55] <membreya> shinu_: whatever editor you like
[10:55] <shinu_> cool
[10:55] <Swynndla> I set up ssh on my pc (via apt-get) but I can't ssh to my other two pc's (other two aren't ubuntu) but the other two can ssh to each other ok ... what am I doing wrong?
[10:56] <mburns> seems like you don't have an ssh client on your ubuntu box?
[10:56] <shinu_> membreya: in what for should i put the alias? xterm="xterm -options etc"?
[10:56] <shinu_> membreya: is there a manpage for that?
[10:56] <membreya> jfk303: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java15 go here
[10:57] <Swynndla> mburns, I did apt-get install ssh .. is that a client too?
[10:57] <cyphase> I'm currently working on a podcatcher, and I'm accepting requests for features. What features have you always wanted in a podcatcher?
[10:57] <Swynndla> ... oh and I can't ssh from the remote machines back to this one either
[10:58] <drcodedd2> Hi all
[10:58] <drcodedd2> whats up
[10:59] <mburns> seems like sshd didn't install then. If you can't ssh from that box out, and you can ssh into that box from another. SSH on the Ubuntu box is not functioning
[10:59] <Swynndla> mburns, oh it's working now (but really slow to connect) ...
[10:59] <drcodedd2> How I can setup NIC in console mode
[10:59] <Jimmothy> ubuntu uses grub, right? can i edit how long i have to select OS'?
[10:59] <drcodedd2> Is there some nice gui?
[10:59] <Swynndla> hmmm
[10:59] <membreya> Swynndla: apt-get install openssh-server
[11:00] <drcodedd2> I install Ubntu server
[11:00] <membreya> Jimmothy: sudo nano /boot/grub/menu.lst
[11:00] <drcodedd2> I want to change one of the NIC card
[11:00] <Swynndla> ahh ok I'll try it thx
[11:00] <shinu_> membreya: should it work straight away?
[11:00] <mburns> drcodedd2: there is a gui, from the gnome menu, it should be under the System, administration(?) menu
[11:00] <drcodedd2> I dont have gui
[11:01] <drcodedd2> I am at console
[11:01] <Jimmothy> nano a terminal text editor?
[11:01] <membreya> shinu_: I believe once you've created an alias you need to load a new terminal
[11:01] <membreya> Jimmothy: that's the one :P
[11:01] <Jimmothy> can't i use gedit?
[11:01] <membreya> Jimmothy: if you insist
[11:01] <shinu_> membreya: but a terminal IS what i want to load :D
[11:01] <shinu_> membreya: i want to change the default colours
[11:01] <Jimmothy> i much prefer gedit since i can never rememeber the commands for vi etc
[11:01] <membreya> shinu_: I only know how to play around with console :)
[11:02] <membreya> Jimmothy: I suggest you learn a terminal editor in case your gui dies :P
[11:02] <membreya> nano is the easiest
[11:02] <Jimmothy> ok
[11:02] <shinu_> membreya: er..console is what i meant ... i think :D
[11:02] <shinu_> membreya: um...doesnt matter :P
[11:02] <membreya> shinu_: no no ...Konsole..as in KDE
[11:02] <xerxes1358> what does ""multiverse"" means in Ubuntu?
[11:02] <shinu_> membreya: oh... ok then
[11:02] <membreya> xerxes1358: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components/document_view
[11:03] <drcodedd2> is there NIC config in console mode (I install server)
[11:03] <mburns> xerxes1358: should work but is untested/unsupported
[11:03] <Seveas> xerxes1358, it means non-free components
[11:03] <mburns> drcodedd2: ifconfig should do everything you want
[11:03] <membreya> drcodedd2: ifconfig :)
[11:03] <xerxes1358> ah ok thanks guys
[11:03] <drcodedd2> but dose it save the setting
[11:03] <Goonie> has anyone solved this problem? .....
[11:03] <Goonie> ipw2200: Fatal error
[11:03] <Goonie> ipw2200: Start IPW Error Log Dump:
[11:03] <Goonie> ipw2200: Status: 0x00000100, Config: 00000142
[11:03] <Goonie> ipw2200: Start IPW Event Log Dump:
[11:03] <drcodedd2> I want to put static IP to my nic
[11:03] <Seveas> drcodedd2, edit /etc/network/interfaces for that
[11:03] <drcodedd2> k
[11:04] <drcodedd2> thanx
[11:04] <Seveas> drcodedd2, see man 5 interfaces for details
[11:04] <membreya> drcodedd2: sudo nano /etc/network/interfaces
[11:04] <membreya> Seveas: GRRRR
[11:04] <membreya> :P
[11:04] <drcodedd2> sorry thanx
[11:04] <drcodedd2> 1 more thing
[11:04] <drcodedd2> I have old P333 computer
[11:04] <drcodedd2> My PowerSupply semes that it dosnt work
[11:05] <membreya> Seveas: quick question, if my interfaces has an address listed for my eth0..should I take out the auto eth0 comment?
[11:05] <drcodedd2> any one know if I take out all wire of PowerSupply it still need to work?
[11:05] <drcodedd2> I mean the Fan need to work?
[11:05] <mburns> ifconfig eth0 inet <ipaddress> netmask <netmask>
[11:05] <Seveas> membreya, no
[11:05] <drcodedd2> or I mast connect it into the Mother Board?
[11:05] <membreya> ok :)
[11:05] <Seveas> membreya, auto means: bring up at boot
[11:05] <membreya> Seveas: running breezy and it has an odd message for mapping with eth0..but happens to everyone
[11:05] <membreya> :)
[11:06] <shinu_> anyone can help me to set "xterm -bg black -fg green" as my default xterm?
[11:07] <mburns> nano .bashrc
[11:08] <Jimmothy> you don't want green! it's really really bright green
[11:08] <Seveas> shinu_, update-alternatives --set x-terminal-emulator
[11:09] <Kartagis> how can I edit gnome menus?
[11:09] <Seveas> Kartagis, in hoary there is no standard way yet. some people have written editors, search the forum/wiki for them
[11:09] <revelater> how do i burna bin/cue file (as opposed to iso)
[11:09] <shinu_> Jimmothy: its better than blue... unfortunately
[11:10] <shinu_> Seveas: wait ill try that
[11:10] <Kartagis> okay thanks
[11:10] <Valentin-> hey
[11:10] <revelater> how do i burna bin/cue file (as opposed to iso)?
[11:10] <Swynndla> shinu ... or you could set an alias for it?
[11:10] <drcodedd2> I just building now new server p233 with 64mb memory, Aapche , php
[11:10] <Valentin-> is it possible to install the ubuntu dekstop without any other programs, like openoffice and the like
[11:10] <Seveas> Swynndla, that'll only work if started from another terminal
[11:11] <revelater> how do i burn a bin/cue file (as opposed to iso)?
[11:11] <revelater> ??
[11:11] <Seveas> Valentin-, not really, you can uninstall them afterwards though
[11:11] <membreya> revelater: use k3b
[11:11] <shinu_> Swynndla: but it seems that the alias only work if i start things up in a terminal
[11:11] <Seveas> Valentin-, another option is to install a server system and then gnome
[11:11] <revelater> membreya, i need to install kde to use k3b
[11:11] <sandyeggoboy> my LCD monitor will not display 1024x768 res ... only 800x600 How to change?
[11:11] <Swynndla> ahhhhhhhhh ic
[11:11] <revelater> membreya, will graveman work?
[11:12] <shinu_> :)
[11:12] <Valentin-> Seveas, that was what I was thinking of, is there an apt-get command to install the whole gnome desktop server?
[11:12] <locomorto> sandyeggoboy read the forums
[11:12] <Valentin-> Seveas in a kind of package
[11:12] <cikilin> what it means if in synaptic the package has a star?
[11:12] <Seveas> apt-get install gnome (i guess)
[11:12] <membreya> revelater: no you don't, just install kde-libs
[11:12] <Swynndla> ok how about putting 'xterm -bg black -fg green' as an icon?
[11:12] <Jimmothy> is it true ubuntu is heavily based on debian? like debian but with a friendlier installer and nicer out-of-the-box so to speak?
[11:13] <Seveas> Jimmothy, sort of
[11:13] <revelater> membreya, synaptic requires taht i donload all of kde
[11:13] <Seveas> Jimmothy, it is synced with sid every 6 months and then made better :)
[11:13] <ivoks> i love my ubuntu :)
[11:13] <revelater> membreya, but i have graveman, will it work?
[11:13] <cikilin> can somebody tell me what it means if in synaptic the package has a star?
[11:14] <Valentin-> Seveas: E: Package Gnome has no installation candidate
[11:14] <membreya> revelater: no idea.
[11:14] <Jimmothy> cikilin: right click the package, there's a little key that pops up, if i remember right
[11:14] <ivoks> cikilin read help
[11:14] <cikilin> k
[11:15] <ivoks> hm... how to downgrade packages? :)
[11:15] <sandyeggoboy> locomorto, can you hel ppoint me in the right direction? Thanks!
[11:15] <Seveas> Valentin-, install gnome-panel, it will drag in a lot of the dependencies
[11:15] <revelater> does anyone know if graveman will burn a bin/cue??
[11:16] <Jimmothy> revelater: check their site, read the man page, check the docs
[11:19] <spiral> hi
[11:19] <Jimmothy> hi
[11:19] <LAX2PDXandback> Is anyone here?
[11:19] <kev0r> no we are all idle
[11:19] <membreya> lol
[11:19] <LAX2PDXandback> LOL
[11:20] <LAX2PDXandback> how do I had an application to the gnome applications menu
[11:20] <LAX2PDXandback> so I don't have to command it to open all of the time
[11:20] <Valentin-> Seveas do you know a good docu for gnome?
[11:21] <Valentin-> how to install etc.
[11:22] <BugBearHome> This is what i get when i modprobe ndiswrapper FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko): Operation not permitted
[11:22] <revelater> how do i download a cvs?
[11:22] <BugBearHome> any ideas?
[11:22] <BugBearHome> do i need to chmod something?
[11:23] <kaouete> BugBearHome: did you sudo this command ?
[11:23] <BugBearHome> i did it from root
[11:25] <revelater> how do i download a cvs?
[11:25] <ivoks> BugBearHome sudo?
[11:25] <BugBearHome> nope
[11:26] <ivoks> no idea
[11:26] <BugBearHome> just did it from sudom to no avail
[11:29] <membreya> BugBearHome: dmesg giving you anything?
[11:29] <IIIEars> there is a good explaination of how to use cvs  (mozilla cvs http://mozilla.org)
[11:29] <IIIEars> spiral - hw do i mask my ip address here?
[11:30] <BugBearHome> membreya: heaps but i don't understand it
[11:30] <spiral> IIIEars: ?
[11:30] <BugBearHome> membreya: ndiswrapper version 1.0rc2 loaded (preempt=yes,smp=no)
[11:30] <BugBearHome> ndiswrapper (wrapper_init:1494): loadndiswrapper failed (1536); check system log for messages from 'loadndisdriver'
[11:30] <IIIEars> how do i hide my ip address from IRc users?
[11:30] <Jimmothy> it is hidden
[11:30] <Jimmothy> IIIEars (~bill@cpe-67-49-107-123.socal.res.rr.com) has joined #ubuntu
[11:31] <IIIEars> lol
[11:31] <IIIEars> cool
[11:31] <Jimmothy> server does it for you
[11:32] <BugBearHome> Another question, in GRUB how do i change the default OS?
[11:33] <IIIEars> BugBear - i believe (tho i am very new to this) you can press "e" at boot up and enter edit mode
[11:33] <XplOzIon> hi
[11:33] <BugBearHome> IIIEars: thanks i will try it
[11:33] <IIIEars> just as you see the grub menu
[11:44] <Swynndla> both ssh connections and browsing nfs shares are really slow
[11:45] <smouche> BugBearHome and XplOzIon - I think that only changes the options for that boot --
[11:45] <smouche> if you want to change the defaults for every boot
[11:45] <smouche> you need to edit   /boot/grub/menu.lst
[11:49] <IIIEars> Good to know - THANKS
[11:52] <smouche> IIIEars, see http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
[11:52] <smouche> and http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GrubHowto
[11:52] <smouche> for details
[11:53] <xvlun> hi
[11:53] <smouche> er, I mean BugBearHome !
[11:55] <xvlun> there has benn an announcement on heise.de last week that dell is planning to ship a copy of a modified ubuntu with their laptops... any idea if this is already available and where? a friend of mine bought his dell already and is very much looking forward to this distribution...
[11:55] <Choubaka> Modified Ubuntu? I wonder in what ways modified.
[11:56] <smouche> maybe they just mean configured to work out of the box with all the hardware in that laptop.
[11:56] <bob2> xvlun: url?
[11:56] <xvlun> smouche, exactly
[11:56] <xvlun> http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/58740 german
[11:57] <bob2> that article doesn't mention dell at all
[11:58] <raveli_> just wanna say that, in my personal opinion, Ubuntu pretty much rocks. It seems one of the most well-organized distributions I've ever tried. Most of the things just seem to work (partly thanks to great howtos and faqs people have contributed). so thank to everyone involved :-)
[11:58] <bob2> unless "Dell" is spelt differently in german
[11:58] <bob2> xvlun: did you mean HP?
[11:58] <warcraft3> Hi, I use ubuntu at my desktop, and now want to get my notebook runing with ubuntu... BUT.. when i start boot from ubuntu cd.. and the install proces is going into grafical i guess.. Screen turns black.... Any ideas...
[11:58] <xvlun> ^^ my fault
[11:58] <max> Hi all !
[11:58] <xvlun> sorry
[11:58] <bob2> xvlun: you do mean HP?
[11:58] <xvlun> yes
[11:59] <warcraft3> I have tried t vga=771 with no luck
[11:59] <xvlun> i mixied up the names of dell and hp
[11:59] <warcraft3> "Could not find kernel image: vga=771"
[11:59] <Choubaka> :|
[12:00] <bob2> warcraft3: yes, you would need to give the name in front of any options
[12:00] <Choubaka> warcraft3: your definition is all wrong
[12:00] <membreya> warcraft3: have you checked your /var/log/Xorg.0.log?
[12:00] <membreya> oh wait
[12:00] <membreya> nvm warcraft3 :P
[12:00] <warcraft3> boot: "what to write here?"
[12:00] <smouche> all I want from manufacturers is to simply provide two partitions on the drives in the systems they sell
[12:01] <smouche> one could be installed with windows, the other left unformatted
[12:01] <bob2> warcraft3: did you read the help screens?
[12:01] <smouche> and they could throw in some install disks, various distros
[12:01] <smouche> for people to experiment with
[12:01] <warcraft3> yes... it says try vga=771
[12:01] <warcraft3> "Could not find kernel image: vga=771"
[12:01] <membreya> warcraft3: http://home.nyc.rr.com/computertaijutsu/grub.html
[12:01] <membreya> go there
[12:01] <membreya> it's a grub problem warcraft3 ?
[12:02] <smouche> but of course, Microsoft would pitch a fit, and try to stop it I'm sure
[12:02] <paulfox> hi folks
[12:02] <TommyKLG> how do i set java into the system PATH permenantly?
[12:02] <xvlun> bob2, did yu ever hear of this?
[12:02] <warcraft3> A grub problem? I have yet installed grub? I am trying to install ubuntu..
[12:02] <paulfox> how do i add a wireless network card in ad-hoc mode? i want to use this laptop so my OTHER laptop can connect to the internet via it's wlan
[12:03] <bob2> not easily
[12:03] <shinu> what should i do if mplayer doesnt show the image when i play as normal user but only as root?
[12:03] <shinu> (they didnt help me much on #mplayer :))
[12:03] <bob2> shinu: paste the output of 'groups' here
[12:04] <xerxes1358> guys I can login into my machine ssh from out side. Can someone help me please ?
[12:04] <paulfox> any ideas on wireless networking in ad-hoc mode, anybody?
[12:04] <shinu> bob2: what groups? ^^'
[12:04] <bob2> xvlun: do you mean "can't"
[12:05] <shinu> bob2: got it
[12:05] <bob2> paulfox: it's not simple.  how much do you know about networking?
[12:05] <warcraft3> Is there some newbee friendly way to get ubuntu running on a notebook? With out editing grub... Does the liveCD do all this..?
[12:05] <shinu> bob2: blu adm dialout cdrom floppy audio dip video plugdev lpadmin scanner admin
[12:05] <paulfox> bob2, only bits and pieces really
[12:05] <Goonie> I'm trying to edit my keymap in X ... which file should I edit.. I tried /usr/share/xmodmap/xmodmap.is but that didn't do anything
[12:05] <bob2> paulfox: try asking on the user list, then
[12:05] <xvlun> bob2, ?
[12:05] <bob2> xvlun: yes
[12:05] <paulfox> bob2, sorry i missed what you just said :/
[12:06] <paulfox> i was trigger happy with ^w
[12:06] <smouche> warcraft3, not the liveCD -- you need the install CD
[12:06] <bob2> paulfox: try asking for help on the user list
[12:06] <bob2> it'd would be long and annoying to explain on irc
[12:06] <smouche> warcraft3, you probably won't need to "edit grub" it'll install itself and get you running
[12:06] <warcraft3> smouche : I manga before to get ubuntu into that notebook.. I just put the cd into drive, and boot.. maby i added a command for the screen... Why doesnt that work with the new Hoary cd?
[12:07] <paulfox> bob2, right, i'll try that thanks
[12:07] <warcraft3> smouche : Now when i boot setup, screen turns dark when going into grafical mode
[12:08] <aeho> Can someone help me to install cinelerra? I got errors in "make".
[12:08] <smouche> don't know what to tell you, warcraft3 , sorry
[12:09] <warcraft3> Sombody know the magic "boot" command to tell the boot promt in the install setup?
[12:09] <bob2> warcraft3: did you read the help text or not?
[12:09] <warcraft3> In order for the screen to not turn black
[12:09] <bob2> warcraft3: is that a "no"?
[12:10] <warcraft3> bob2: Yes, and i manga with the previouse release to get it running
[12:10] <bob2> warcraft3: then why won't you use that verion of ubuntu and upgrade?
[12:11] <smouche> what does "manga" mean in this context?
[12:11] <warcraft3> no I cant get it running.. why does not vga=771 work?  I know i last time also needed to add a comand in order for the screen not to durn black when entering grafical mode in the install setup..
[12:11] <aeho> Can someone help me to install cinelerra? I got error in make: "make[2] : *** [OpenEXR-1.2.1/i686/IlmImf/ImfZipCompressor.o]  Error 1".
[12:12] <warcraft3> When the old work, the new should work.. I just need someone to tell me what to put afther the "boot" promt ...
[12:12] <bob2> aeho: you need to talk to the openexr people
[12:13] <shinu> bob2: anything  i could do to fix it?
[12:13] <aeho> who are they?
[12:13] <aeho> installed linux yesterday, so...
[12:14] <warcraft3> boot : vga=771  (new line) "Could not find kernel image: vga=771" is this an error in the boot cd?
[12:15] <BugBearHome> Ubuntu has stuffed up my partitions so now windows won't boot, SHIT
[12:15] <bob2> warcraft3: dude
[12:15] <bob2> warcraft3: you ignored what I said
[12:15] <bob2> warcraft3: and didn't read the help
[12:15] <bob2> warcraft3: you need to provide a kernel name, then whatever options
[12:16] <shinu> bob2: sorry got disconnected... anything you could help with my mplayer?
[12:16] <warcraft3> bob2 : I just found out : ) but why didnt any on tell .. boot: linux vga=771
[12:16] <bob2> warcraft3: because they wanted you to read the documentation
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[12:18] <shinu_> bob2: sorry for the disconnects, you said anything?
[12:22] <aeho> fuck
[12:23] <aeho> I don't have that error anymore, now I got like 1000 errors
[12:23] <bob2> yes
[12:23] <bob2> you need to talk to the authors of the software
[12:23] <smouche> BugBearHome -- WinXp, right?  do you still have your disk for that?
[12:24] <smouche> if you boot from the winxp disk, enter recovery council, and the command is "fixmbr" to restore your ability to boot windows
[12:25] <smouche> but then, I'm not sure how you would go about repair the ubuntu and grub situation afterwards...
[12:25] <smouche> "recovery console"  I meant...
[12:27] <locomorto> council LOL
[12:29] <super_dude2> can someone help me with acssesing files on networks
[12:29] <super_dude2> and the passwords
[12:30] <XplOzIon> heh see this people http://200.90.123.1/redhat.jpg
[12:31] <XplOzIon> can you all see it?
[12:32] <membreya> XplOzIon: lol :P
[12:32] <bob2> trivial to fake
[12:32] <membreya> shame it's fabricated
[12:32] <membreya> but still funny :)
[12:32] <XplOzIon> heh
[12:33] <XplOzIon> original poster of that image says it isnt fake. hehe
[12:33] <XplOzIon> hmm time to set up a page!! weee
[12:34] <Choubaka> hm, I can't see the image :/
[12:34] <XplOzIon> no?
[12:34] <mjr> it doesn't seem to load
[12:34] <XplOzIon> try again all
[12:35] <XplOzIon> Choubaka, try again
[12:35] <mjr> now it does
[12:35] <Choubaka> yeah
[12:35] <XplOzIon> mjc, lol didnt add the port 80 rule on firestarter =P
[12:35] <mjr> heh
[12:35] <XplOzIon> hmm
[12:35] <shinu_> the image loads very slowly...
[12:35] <super_dude2> what? i dont get it?
[12:35] <shinu_> and btw microsoft did used to use bsd right?
[12:35] <mjr> anyway, yes, it might be fabricated, but I don't necessarily think so
[12:36] <XplOzIon> shinu_, my upstream is 128k and i just got like 200 hits so slow as hell =(
[12:36] <Tomcat_> Well, some new Microsoft product (Virtual Server? Not sure) is known to support Linux officially...
[12:36] <bob2> shinu_: they used to sell a version of unix called xenix
[12:36] <mjr> I seem to recall some earlier stuff about MS using Linux proxy boxes in front of their NT web servers somewhere
[12:36] <mjr> ah well
[12:36] <Choubaka> super_dude2: it's running RedHat :p
[12:36] <bob2> shinu_: and they did at some point use bsd tcp/ip code in windows nt
[12:36] <super_dude2> ok
[12:36] <Tomcat_> And they have always been using Akamai's Squid caches (Linux) in front of their IISs...
[12:36] <shinu_> hehe
[12:37] <ice_1963> ok
[12:37] <Tomcat_> mjr: Yeah, that was Akamai.
[12:37] <mjr> Tomcat_, righto :)
[12:37] <dizzy> a simple command to get cpu% in shell variable ?
[12:37] <ice_1963> deb here
[12:38] <ice_1963> =)
[12:38] <XplOzIon> =D
[12:38] <Prof_Frink> OK, I'm trying to install SDL, and I get the following error message:
[12:38] <Prof_Frink> Failed to fetch http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/s/slang/slang1-dev_1.4.9dbs-8_i386.deb  Bad header line [IP: 82.211.81.138 80] 
[12:38] <Prof_Frink> any advice?
[12:38] <bob2> Prof_Frink: are you behind a proxy?
[12:39] <Prof_Frink> no
[12:39] <membreya> XplOzIon: http://members.optusnet.com.au/~membreya/ms sorry :P
[12:39] <bob2> Prof_Frink: are you really really sure?
[12:39] <Goonie> How can I see which version of ipw2200 I'm using?
[12:40] <XplOzIon> membreya, hehe yeah =P
[12:40] <Prof_Frink> waitaminute, NTL might cache/proxy stuff
[12:40] <Prof_Frink> other stuff has installed fine
[12:40] <Choubaka> http://80.81.189.227/j/00/00/26/18/1972836.jpg <- that's one eerie-looking cat :)
[12:41] <bob2> Prof_Frink: try using a different url
[12:41] <bob2> like archive.ubuntu.com
[12:42] <XplOzIon> membreya, hey know any newbie tuts for setting up a site in apache+php?
[12:42] <bob2> XplOzIon: install apache.  install php.  read the instructions.  enjoy!
[12:43] <bob2> apache2 and libapache2-mod-php4 are the packages you want
[12:43] <XplOzIon> bob2, hehe i just did
[12:44] <markuman> where are the gamers? went to #ubuntu-gaming ;-)
[12:45] <Prof_Frink> same error without the gb. on the front
[12:46] <Goonie> How can I see which version of ipw2200 I have installed?
[12:46] <locomorto> it shoudl work by default in hoary Goonie
[12:47] <Prof_Frink> hmm, firefox can find the url and offers to download the file
[12:47] <iluciv> Hi where can I find info or a howto on setting up mythtv on ubuntu (hoary)
[12:48] <Goonie> locomorto~ I have errors on boot.. need to see if hoary installs 1.03 by default
[12:49] <mjr> iluciv, I dunno, but hey, if you find some, tell me ;)
[12:50] <shinu_> sorry, where are the system startup scripts?
[12:50] <mjr> shinu_, /etc/init.d
[12:50] <shinu_> mjr: thanks
[12:51] <mjr> shinu_, and links that start/stop them in /etc/rc?.d
[12:51] <Taliesin`> gah
[12:51] <Taliesin`> so hard to get Ubuntu and Skype working :(
[12:52] <mjr> were Skype free, I'm sure it'd be included ;I
[12:52] <iluciv> speaking of skype do you download the .deb package if so how do you install it
[12:52] <iluciv> sorry real noob
[12:52] <Taliesin`> dpkg --install skype.deb :)
[12:52] <iluciv> cool
[12:52] <Taliesin`> you'll beed linqt
[12:52] <Taliesin`> err
[12:52] <Taliesin`> libqt
[12:53] <Taliesin`> which can be apt-get'd
[12:53] <iluciv> what is that the same as synaptic
[12:53] <Taliesin`> (mjr): It is free isnt it? has no cost involved :/
[12:53] <Taliesin`> (iluciv): i just like the die-hard debian way's :P
[12:54] <mjr> Taliesin`, only as in beer, not speech
[12:54] <Taliesin`> :\
[12:54] <smouche> iluciv, synaptic is simply a convenient front-end for apt-get , best for debian newbies
[12:54] <smouche> imho
[12:54] <Lenny1729> Does actually a ps viewer with search function exist in ubuntu?
[12:55] <xxenon> when do we get a good 2.6.11 with the restricted modules (nvidia) ?
[12:56] <bob2> you won't
[12:56] <xxenon> good news...
[12:56] <xerxes1358> and can I export it also to other formats maybe ? outlook/ kontact ?
[12:56] <bob2> 2.6.12 will be out after udu
[12:56] <xerxes1358> how do I export my mail from evolution ? and can I export it also to other formats maybe ? outlook/ kontact ?
[12:57] <xxenon> well, maybe we wont 2.6.12 restricted modules neither
[12:57] <bob2> and maybe the sky will fall
[12:57] <bob2> 2.6.12 will be a supported kernel, from what I hear
[12:58] <xxenon> ok.
[12:58] <iluciv> taliesin, no cost skype2skype charge skype to landline/mobile
[12:59] <Taliesin`> i knew that ;)
[12:59] <WillCooke> is it normal to have to load the ohci_hcd module in order to talk to things on a usb2 controller.  I thought the ehci_hcd mod did that
[12:59] <iluciv> sorry noobie been using computer not very long can you tell :s
[12:59] <Taliesin`> (iluciv): i can now :P
[12:59] <iluciv> ha
[01:00] <Taliesin`> :>
[01:00] <Taliesin`> share the love <3
[01:02] <iluciv> ok ok I'm trying to set up my mythtv at the mo and I'm a little frayed after a little reading about my body weight in text
[01:02] <iluciv> :|
[01:02] <iluciv> :)
[01:02] <iluciv> :D
[01:03] <membreya> iluciv: hah good luck :P
[01:04] <shinu_> is it normal that the additional repositories on ubuntufaq doesnt seem to work properly for me?
[01:04] <iluciv> why is it difficult as far as I can rekon I set up my sql ???? prob 1 then my backend then my front end right???
[01:04] <membreya> iluciv: ...essentially :)
[01:05] <membreya> shinu_: which ones?
[01:05] <iluciv> membreya: any howto guides
[01:05] <bob2> shinu_: because they're broken
[01:05] <membreya> www.mythtv.org? :P
[01:05] <bob2> shinu_: for instance, do not use marillat's source with hoary or breezy
[01:05] <iluciv> :P
[01:06] <shinu_> membreya: the ones here: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[01:06] <shinu_> bob2: uh.... damnit
[01:06] <shinu_> is mplayer on the default repositories?
[01:06] <membreya> marillats work ok ..well the main one does
[01:07] <iluciv> membreya: got nvidia then??
[01:07] <bob2> membreya: no, it does not
[01:07] <bob2> shinu_: it's in multiverse
[01:07] <bob2> shinu_: wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[01:07] <shinu_> bob2: ok ill try that
[01:07] <membreya> bob2: main marillat works for me bob2 you just need to add the gpg key
[01:07] <bob2> membreya: ok!
[01:08] <shinu_> bob2: i would prefer to play around with apt-get :D
[01:08] <bob2> apt-get works great, as long as you don't poison it with broken repositories
[01:08] <membreya> apt-get ..synaptic..it's just a gui :)
[01:08] <shinu_> :D
[01:08] <iluciv> I've installed the drivers but when I run glxgears I get:--> lib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[01:08] <iluciv> glxgears: Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual.
[01:09] <membreya> iluciv: have you edited your xorg.conf?
[01:09] <shinu_> are the links to multiverse in the default sources.list?
[01:09] <iluciv> umm
[01:09] <membreya> iluciv: from a terminal type sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[01:10] <membreya> and check your device section
[01:10] <membreya> it will probably say nv
[01:10] <membreya> it should be nvidia
[01:11] <djones> iluciv: you may also want to add the line         Option           "NoLogo" "1"
[01:11] <membreya> iluciv: and try your luck with renderaccel :P
[01:12] <shinu_> is deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary multiverse working?
[01:13] <membreya> by the way shinu, don't forget to do a sudo apt-get update whenever you change your repo's ;)
[01:13] <shinu_> ok :)
[01:14] <iluciv> djones: where??
[01:15] <iluciv> membreya: WT is renderaccel?? :s
[01:17] <membreya> iluciv: http://www3.telus.net/public/dale_d/nvidia.html
[01:17] <_4strO> ohaio
[01:18] <Frafra> hi all
[01:19] <Frafra> how can i use bluetooth adapter on ubuntu?
[01:20] <kandinski> I am trying to do a netbootinstall and I have found the boot.img but not the ramdisk img, where would that be and what would its name be?
[01:20] <Frafra> who can help me?
[01:21] <kandinski> sladen: you in?
[01:21] <iluciv> membreya: I think I'
[01:21] <kandinski> sladen: I got a toshiba m200 and sold the 3500, am trying to install it now
[01:21] <iluciv> ll just get the driver then tvout to work first :P
[01:23] <davix> anybody got an idea why xqf finds only old servers? (2.56)
[01:23] <membreya> iluciv: did you check your driver that xorg is using?
[01:24] <iluciv> membreya: "nv"
[01:25] <membreya> iluciv: change it to nvidia
[01:25] <membreya> and then do a ctrl+alt+backspace
[01:25] <iluciv> membreya: have done do I have to put a nvidia module in as well???
[01:25] <membreya> iluciv: it should automatically load it
[01:25] <shinu> how do i change information and settings of my account?
[01:29] <Frafra> who can help me?
[01:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> frafra with what?
[01:33] <mcmillan_33> hi guys. can someone give me a hand with an nvidia issue?
[01:34] <membreya> shinu: from a terminal, type usermod
[01:34] <membreya> sup mcmillan_33 ?
[01:35] <mcmillan_33> the following
[01:35] <mcmillan_33> i checked ubuntuguide.org to find out how to install nvidia
[01:35] <mcmillan_33> didn't work
[01:35] <shinu> membreya: thanks
[01:35] <membreya> elaborate on "didn't work"
[01:36] <Jimmothy> time to let partition magic do its thing, then installl ubuntu
[01:36] <Jimmothy> byes
[01:36] <mcmillan_33> now i get "bad display name" on the xorg output
[01:37] <queuetue> Is there a way to reset the error count on a network interface?
[01:38] <membreya> mcmillan_33: post your Xorg.0.log to pastebin
[01:39] <membreya> and give us the URL
[01:40] <gds> hi
[01:41] <gds> how can I do to avoid automounting in gnome, when I insert a cd?
[01:42] <LarstiQ> moin
[01:43] <shinu> can i also add a user to a group with usermod?
[01:46] <membreya> shinu: sudo usermod <groupname> -g <username>
[01:47] <shinu> membreya: ok... couldnt figure out the syntax xD
[01:47] <shinu> thanks
[01:48] <BockBilbo> hello
[01:48] <BockBilbo> anyone here has managed to use airsnort with the intel pro wireless card?
[01:49] <shinu> i do it when im root but it still doesnt add my other account to wheel group
[01:49] <BockBilbo> shinu, u talking to me?
[01:50] <shinu> BockBilbo: no :D but if you could help ...:P
[01:50] <membreya> shinu: does ubuntu have a wheel group? :P
[01:50] <shinu> membreya: i think i added one (groupadd wheel)
[01:50] <membreya> shinu: type groups
[01:51] <shinu> for which user? my own? not root right?
[01:51] <BockBilbo> mm
[01:51] <LarstiQ> Mainly, no network is being troublesome
[01:51] <membreya> shinu: ..just type groups
[01:51] <LarstiQ> would anyone have experience with this perchance?
[01:51] <shinu> membreya: for root it gives back: root
[01:51] <shinu> membreya: for my other user it gives:
[01:52] <BockBilbo> anyways...
[01:52] <BockBilbo> cyall
[01:52] <BockBilbo> bye
[01:55] <bob2> eh?
[01:55] <bob2> they're both on your hard disjk
[01:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> how can you tell what video driver you are using?
[01:58] <membreya> glxinfo |grep vendor
[01:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> thank
[01:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> ss
[01:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> *thanks
[02:02] <shinu> deb http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[02:02] <shinu> deb-src http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[02:02] <shinu> oops sorry wrong window
[02:03] <LarstiQ> bob2: right, I mean I modprobed them, but they didn't really _do_ much :)
[02:07] <iluciv> membrya: got nvida driver working :D
[02:07] <membreya> good work iluciv
[02:07] <membreya> why so long?
[02:07] <iluciv> had to eat and have shower
[02:08] <membreya> sure sure :P
[02:08] <iluciv> ha truley
[02:08] <iluciv> ha truely
[02:09] <shinu> does it make any dofference if i do sudo make install or make install as root?
[02:09] <Seveas> no
[02:09] <iluciv> decided to let myth pass for tonight I can't even seem to get mp3s to play
[02:09] <membreya> lol iluciv :P
[02:10] <Dalkus> iluciv, www.ubuntuguide.org explains many problems, including how to get mp3s to play
[02:10] <Dalkus> shinu, no
[02:10] <shinu> thanks
[02:10] <Dalkus> np
[02:11] <natecull> I have some printing issues
[02:11] <natecull> HP Deskjet 400
[02:11] <iluciv> ta dalkus: does it explain how to get dvds to play as well I have two I want to watch tonight and I was hope I could get them working before I have to take them back to the vid shop
[02:11] <shinu> is there any faq on how to get mplayer to play properly not as root?...
[02:11] <natecull> the kind that does either colour or black and white depending on what is sent to it
[02:11] <Dalkus> iluciv, yep, it does
[02:11] <iluciv> rad :D
[02:11] <natecull> even though I set the options in the print driver to 'Black and White', whenever I try to print a test page it requests a colour cartridge
[02:12] <natecull> and then, even though I restart the printer and delete all jobs from the queue, I get garbage printing out until I reboot
[02:13] <dave__> ive got 8 updates showing for ubuntu, but when i try and get them i get a 500 internal server error, theyre all from the backports servers.... any ideas?
[02:13] <natecull> any ideas how I should go about troubleshooting printing?
[02:13] <bob2> dave__: don't use backports
[02:13] <dave__> make sure cable isnt dodgy i had that once and was the cable
[02:13] <aeho> What I need to install to extract .rar files?
[02:13] <bob2> aeho: unrar or unrar-nonfree
[02:13] <dave__> i just used the ubuntu guide thing how do i get rid of em
[02:13] <Dalkus> aeho, sudo apt-get install rar
[02:13] <bob2> aeho: best avoid the format entirely, tho, if you can
[02:13] <Dalkus> then use rar -e filename.rar to extract
[02:13] <bob2> dave__: do you use synaptic?
[02:14] <dave__> yeh
[02:14] <bob2> then use synaptic to get rid of them
[02:14] <shinu> how do i remove software that i installed from sourse?
[02:14] <shinu> source*
[02:14] <bob2> wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[02:14] <dave__> hmm i did get rid of the backports repo's from there yesterday but theyve reappeared
[02:14] <membreya> shinu: sudo make uninstall
[02:14] <bob2> shinu: that's program specific, you need to read the documentation that came with each program you installed
[02:14] <membreya> in your compiled directory
[02:15] <bob2> membreya: not usually
[02:15] <shinu> membreya: ok thanks
[02:15] <shinu> alright
[02:15] <bob2> membreya: and only if he/shekept the compilation dir
[02:15] <membreya> shinu: listen to bob2, he's the oracle :)
[02:15] <membreya> bob2: it's generally a good idea to do that until you know it works..that or make a .deb
[02:15] <shinu> :D
[02:16] <bob2> membreya: to install things from source, you mean?
[02:16] <zzyber> i have two ubuntu installations and i wounder. Is it possible to be a spectator for the other desktop if someone is logged in?
[02:16] <natecull> dave__: This is the same printer and cable I've been using with no problems for years. Though, hmm. It is a new machine, I suppose that might be affecting something
[02:16] <bob2> zzyber: have you asked them?
[02:16] <membreya> bob2: it's a good idea to keep the compiled package directory until you know it works :)
[02:16] <membreya> is what I mean
[02:16] <bob2> membreya: right
[02:17] <zzyber> bob2, :-)
[02:17] <natecull> I have my LPT1 set to ECP in the BIOS, is that likely to be a sensible setting? It was the default.
[02:17] <bob2> zzyber: so you mean "Is there a way to spy on someone else?"?
[02:17] <zzyber> bob2, exactly
[02:18] <bob2> zzyber: of course, if you're root
[02:18] <bob2> no way I'm telling you, tho
[02:18] <bob2> and shame on you for asking
[02:18] <zzyber> omg
[02:19] <jin> anyone with real nice repositories that would add the newest software?? like firefox 1.0.3 nikto 1.34??
[02:19] <iluciv> membreya: that other nvidia tweak you pointed out to me before what the page agian I can't find the page again after cntrl+alt+bkspc (I didn't expect that?? :)
[02:19] <membreya> lol :P
[02:19] <natecull> hmm
[02:19] <bob2> jin: isn't firefox 1.0.3 in breezy?
[02:19] <natecull> that's a good point
[02:19] <membreya> iluciv: don't you log everything? :)
[02:19] <jin> bob: whats breezy?
[02:20] <natecull> aren't the Firefox 1.0.x point releases security updates? Shouldn't they be in the security repository?
[02:20] <bob2> jin: the development version of ubuntu
[02:20] <bob2> natecull: no, read the faq
[02:20] <natecull> jin: The next version
[02:20] <natecull> bob2: Which FAQ?
[02:20] <jin> aha..
[02:20] <iluciv> umm noobie :)
[02:20] <bob2> natecull: (hint: ubuntu backports fixes to the version of the software in stable)
[02:21] <natecull> I can't even find a link to the FAQ page from the Ubuntu page now...
[02:21] <natecull> bob2: Hmm. So what would the latest Firefox package be named then?
[02:21] <bob2> no idea where it is atm
[02:21] <natecull> is it in the wiki?
[02:21] <bob2> no idea
[02:21] <membreya> bob2: firefox is only 1.0.2 in breezy
[02:21] <natecull> or somewhere else?
[02:21] <natecull> the site's getting big...
[02:21] <natecull> I guess that's a good thing
[02:22] <jin> is there anyone using breezy??
[02:22] <membreya> jin: me
[02:22] <bob2> natecull: same as the version in hoary but with an increment after the - in the version
[02:22] <bob2> membreya: ok
[02:22] <bob2> then I guess  you have to wait for 1.0.3
[02:22] <membreya> i thought they took the security updates from 1.0.3 and put them back into 1.0.2 for ubuntu..but I might be wrong
[02:23] <bob2> yes
[02:23] <jin> how about nikto 1.34 security scanner? the latest I find is 1.32
[02:23] <bob2> I've never heard of nikto
[02:23] <natecull> so 'mozilla-firefox-1.0.2-ubuntu5' is equivalent to Firefox 1.0.3?
[02:23] <bob2> so I doubt it get security updates
[02:23] <bob2> natecull: no
[02:24] <natecull> I mean in terms of security
[02:24] <natecull> vulnerabilities
[02:24] <bob2> natecull: it presumably has the security fixes 1.0.3 has
[02:24] <membreya> natecull: they do backporting
[02:24] <natecull> is there any kind of database anywhere where one can check?
[02:24] <membreya> just looked it up in the lists :)
[02:24] <bob2> natecull: the ubuntu-security-announce list archives
[02:24] <natecull> aha
[02:25] <bob2> doesn't appear firefox has been updated
[02:25] <jin> nikto is a web scanner for vulnerability
[02:25] <bob2> perhaps the issues weren't critical enough
[02:25] <bob2> jin: but it's unsupported
[02:27] <a_peck> is it worth going through all the pain in the *55 to install php5?
[02:28] <natecull> dunno
[02:28] <iluciv> membreya: with that nvidia driver I installed can I now edit xorg.conf for svideo out socket so I can plug it into the tv
[02:28] <natecull> a lot of hosting sites I've looked at recently only have php4
[02:28] <natecull> presumably there's a reason
[02:28] <membreya> iluciv: use twinview :)
[02:29] <a_peck> natecull, php5 isn't even in the repositories... I do wonder if it's worth it. Has anyone tried and has a view?
[02:29] <iluciv> membreya: ah yes the old twinview???
[02:29] <membreya> lol! :P
[02:30] <Frafra> i can trasfer file from my tel to my pc by bluetooth
[02:30] <zenwhen> is that a question?
[02:30] <Frafra> but i don't know how do I do for send file to my tel
[02:31] <Frafra> some body can help me?
[02:32] <zenwhen> Frafra, this really depends on the model of your phone, if your phone supports it, and if someone here has experience with your phone.
[02:33] <Frafra> yes
[02:33] <Frafra> i tried it on fedora core 3
[02:33] <membreya> got it working yet iluciv ?
[02:33] <IamJacksUsername> Trying to play DVDs, I was adding "universe" to Synaptic as per http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats 2.1, but got "Could not download all repository indexes": "cdrom:[Ubuntu 5.04 _Hoary Hedgehog_ - Release i386 (20050407)] /dists/hoary/Release: Unable to find expected entry  universe/binary-i386/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?)"
[02:33] <Jimmothy> how come there's no ubuntu torrents?
[02:33] <Frafra> and using gnome it goes
[02:34] <natecull> Jimmothy: torrents of the Hoary CDs? I'm sure there are.
[02:34] <iluciv> no twinview in xorg.conf
[02:34] <Frafra> i not know how i must do on ubuntu
[02:34] <membreya> iluciv: thats because you need to put it there
[02:35] <Jimmothy> natecull: found it
[02:35] <propagandhi> anybody can make a torrent anyway
[02:35] <membreya> iluciv: easiest way is to read the README for nvidia ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-7174/README.txt
[02:35] <membreya> but if you need help just let me know
[02:37] <plagerism> So would you say breezy is more like Debian experimental than say debian unstable right now??
[02:37] <bob2> yes
[02:37] <bob2> don't use breezy
[02:37] <plagerism> lol
[02:37] <plagerism> Too late
[02:37] <plagerism> Heh
[02:37] <bob2> well, that was silly
[02:37] <plagerism> Yea I am beginning to realize that
[02:37] <natecull> isn't breezy right now just sid?
[02:37] <bob2> no
[02:37] <natecull> ah
[02:38] <plagerism> I wanted something like unstable
[02:38] <XplOzIon> hey is there a problem with the repositories?? apt-get update posting some errors
[02:38] <membreya> how do you tell what AGP rate is currently being used on your card ? NVIDIA(0): Detected AGP rate: 8X in Xorg.0.log, does that mean the rate being used or just the rate detected
[02:38] <Frafra> who can help me?
[02:39] <natecull> Frafra: sorry, I have absolutely zero knowledge of anything Bluetooth related
[02:39] <natecull> except that I suspect each vendor implements it differently
[02:39] <IamJacksUsername> I can't get xine-ui from universe (scroll up), is there something in main restricted that can play DVDs? (already installed css)
[02:39] <Frafra> i used it with fedora with gnome-bluetooth
[02:39] <natecull> hmm
[02:39] <Frafra> i've installed it in ubuntu
[02:39] <bob2> IamJacksUsername: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[02:39] <vaidas> hello, does someone knows tutorial how to install ubuntu from live cd ?
[02:40] <Frafra> but in the menu doesn't exist "send by bluetooth"
[02:40] <natecull> and does it give any errors?
[02:40] <Frafra> no
[02:40] <bob2> vaidas: you can't
[02:40] <natecull> which menu?
[02:40] <kassh> hi everybody ... i have another prob... when i do ps -A in my shell i point out there too much app runining for nothing how can i do to make not runnig some apps useless at startup??? any idea ??
[02:40] <Frafra> exist "send to..."
[02:40] <IamJacksUsername> bob2: I followed that to add universe, but itg ives an error: "Could not download all repository indexes": "cdrom:[Ubuntu 5.04 _Hoary Hedgehog_ - Release i386 (20050407)] /dists/hoary/Release: Unable to find expected entry  universe/binary-i386/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?)"
[02:40] <Frafra> natecull, the menu [right button on the mouse] 
[02:40] <Frafra> in gnome
[02:40] <bob2> IamJacksUsername: meh, don't use the cd then
[02:40] <natecull> er
[02:41] <natecull> there are lots of menus in Gnome
[02:41] <bob2> IamJacksUsername: wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[02:41] <natecull> which program?
[02:41] <natecull> Do you mean Nautilus?
[02:41] <natecull> the file manager?
[02:41] <kassh> i mno
[02:41] <kassh> no
[02:41] <kassh> im under kde
[02:41] <kassh> i m gone send u some example
[02:41] <bob2> kassh: meh, what don't you think should be running?
[02:41] <IamJacksUsername> Thanks bob2, I'll try to unCD the repository.
[02:42] <kassh>   PID TTY          TIME CMD
[02:42] <kassh>     1 ?        00:00:00 init
[02:42] <kassh>     2 ?        00:00:00 ksoftirqd/0
[02:42] <kassh>     3 ?        00:00:00 events/0
[02:42] <kassh>     4 ?        00:00:00 khelper
[02:42] <kassh>    16 ?        00:00:00 kacpid
[02:42] <kassh>   117 ?        00:00:00 kblockd/0
[02:42] <kassh>   125 ?        00:00:00 khubd
[02:42] <kassh>   165 ?        00:00:00 pdflush
[02:42] <kassh>   166 ?        00:00:00 pdflush
[02:42] <kassh>   168 ?        00:00:00 aio/0
[02:42] <kassh>   167 ?        00:00:00 kswapd0
[02:42] <kassh>   755 ?        00:00:00 kseriod
[02:42] <kassh>  1119 ?        00:00:00 kjournald
[02:42] <Jimmothy> ...
[02:42] <kassh>  1146 ?        00:00:00 udevd
[02:42] <kassh>  2283 ?        00:00:00 khpsbpkt
[02:42] <kassh>  3901 ?        00:00:00 shpchpd_event
[02:42] <kassh>  4169 ?        00:00:00 pccardd
[02:42] <kassh>  4177 ?        00:00:00 pccardd
[02:42] <Jimmothy> bye
[02:42] <kassh>  4301 ?        00:00:00 knodemgrd_0
[02:42] <kassh>  5968 ?        00:00:00 dhcpcd-bin
[02:42] <kassh>  6000 ?        00:00:00 portmap
[02:42] <kassh>  6360 ?        00:00:00 dd
[02:42] <kassh>  6362 ?        00:00:00 klogd
[02:42] <bassMonkey> flood
[02:42] <XplOzIon> hey is there a problem with the repositories?? apt-get update posting some errors. about missed file
[02:43] <thenuke> we need bots.
[02:43] <bob2> we need people to not be idiots
[02:43] <Frafra> :D
[02:43] <bob2> that would be way simpler
[02:43] <XplOzIon> :P
[02:43] <XplOzIon> true
[02:43] <thenuke> bob2: that just does not happen.
[02:43] <bob2> XplOzIon: have you pasted the error to #flood yet?
[02:43] <natecull> I guess this is why Windows Task Manager by default doesn't list all running daemons unless you go look for them
[02:43] <thenuke> bot are easy to be made True
[02:43] <XplOzIon> bob2, flood? oO /me is a newbie
[02:44] <Dalkus> the channel, #flood
[02:44] <bob2> XplOzIon: there's a channel called #flood.  paste the error to it.
[02:44] <natecull> nice
[02:44] <bob2> kassh: can you not do that please?
[02:44] <XplOzIon> bob2, ok i will. Thanks
[02:45] <plagerism> so bob2 are you one of the 30 paid Ubuntu Employees, or no?
[02:45] <bob2> there aren't 30
[02:45] <bob2> and no, I'm not paid to work on ubuntu
[02:45] <bob2> tho I do work for canonical
[02:45] <plagerism> Oh okay
[02:46] <plagerism> Dont know why I asked that, if I had to pay anyone it would be you though
[02:46] <natecull> mmm, bribes
[02:46] <vaidas> guys i wanna ask is it worth it to install ubuntu on 800mhz p3 with 128mb ram... would it be very slow ?
[02:46] <Seveas> vaidas, it's worth it
[02:46] <bob2> not paid to do anything related to #ubuntu, tho
[02:47] <Seveas> vaidas, i run ubuntu on AMD 900 + 128 mb
[02:47] <Seveas> works like a charm
[02:47] <vaidas> m..
[02:47] <vaidas> thanks..
[02:47] <jintxo> vaidas, I think it would be acceptable. I run it on a 300 (not gnome or KDE for me though:-)
[02:47] <vaidas> im asking becouse live cd is kind slow..
[02:47] <Seveas> 800 mhz is enough for gnome
[02:48] <vaidas> but i gues my cd-rom makes it run slow..
[02:48] <Seveas> vaidas, that's because a livecd generally is slow
[02:48] <bassMonkey> that's slow on any comp...
[02:48] <Seveas> because it runs from the cd
[02:48] <jintxo> it has to read everything from cd first.. slows it down a bit
[02:48] <vaidas> yeh..
[02:48] <vaidas> thanks for info
[02:49] <bassMonkey> My neighbour runs it on a athlon750 192mb and it seems to run well
[02:49] <enebro> hi
[02:49] <Seveas> ih
[02:49] <bob2> kassh: don't /msg people
[02:49] <bob2> kassh: if you think you have uneccessary things running, then say, one ONE LINE, which you think are unecessary
[02:50] <vaidas> btw bob2 i found tutorial how to install from live cd to hdd :)
[02:50] <vaidas> so its possible :)
[02:50] <bob2> where?
[02:51] <vaidas> here http://www.willmer.com/kb/2005/02/installing-ubuntu-hoary-from-livecd/
[02:51] <bob2> vaidas: that doesn't count
[02:51] <bob2> you can manually install from a piece of string if you want
[02:52] <vaidas> yes i know..
[02:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> are the apt repositries for breezy badger up yet?
[02:53] <plagerism> you could also use a hex editor to change the contents of your drive
[02:53] <plagerism> and change it to hoary
[02:53] <plagerism> I saw a tutorial on it!!!
[02:53] <Seveas> Kamping_Kaiser, they are
[02:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> cool. thanks
[02:54] <bob2> Kamping_Kaiser: please don't switch to it
[02:54] <plagerism> I wonder how awful pinning hoary in the preference file and downgrading from breezy would be
[02:54] <Dalkus> not good, apparently
[02:54] <Seveas> plagerism, downgrading is hard, very hard
[02:55] <plagerism> Seveas, so I hear
[02:55] <plagerism> lol
[02:55] <Seveas> plagerism, switching to breezy is generally a bad idea in this stage of development
[02:55] <aeho> Why kino can't open uncompressed avi files? Can someone help?
[02:55] <plagerism> Well you tell me now
[02:55] <zenwhen> bad idea for you, great idea for all
[02:56] <plagerism> Whos all zenwhen?
[02:56] <zenwhen> I am getting an ibook to use as my main machine
[02:56] <zenwhen> so i can run breezy on my dektop
[02:56] <zenwhen> all is everyone who will once day use breezy
[02:56] <zenwhen> breezy has to be tested to become good
[02:56] <zenwhen> once*
[02:56] <zenwhen> one*
[02:56] <Seveas> zenwhen, breezy will be unstable
[02:56] <Seveas> VERY unstable
[02:57] <zenwhen> until people find the bugs
[02:57] <zenwhen> yes, it will
[02:57] <Seveas> so upgrading is only a good idea if you are willing to help testing and debugging and know about how to debug
[02:57] <plagerism> So in breezy, I noticed when I upgraded, evolution was removed, this is just temporary right??
[02:57] <zenwhen> plagerism, yes
[02:57] <Seveas> zenwhen, the average user does not know this
[02:57] <bob2> breezy is the development version
[02:57] <EvilSporkMan> so i tried hoary-amd64 last night...first time i've ever had linux crash O_O
[02:57] <bob2> things will break if you use it
[02:57] <Seveas> zenwhen, and that's why it is in general not advisory to update
[02:57] <iluciv> the backports repositry in http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#generalnotes doesn't seem to be current anywhere else I can get a current listing??
[02:57] <membreya> which file has a users groups?
[02:57] <plagerism> bob2, I know my chair broke from using it
[02:58] <Seveas> membreya, /etc/group
[02:58] <membreya> ie when you change a users group permissions..where is it stored?
[02:58] <EvilSporkMan> nautilus kept crashing while using it to SFTP the contents of my home directory from my old comp, and then i got it to hardlock by doing the above SFTP plus scping a tar file of my old home directory from a different computer
[02:58] <bob2> iluciv: don't use backports. at all.
[02:58] <zenwhen>  /etc/group
[02:58] <zenwhen> backports made out with my mom
[02:58] <iluciv> ok anyreason why??
[02:58] <zenwhen> it scarred me for life
[02:58] <zenwhen> dont let it happen to you
[02:59] <Seveas> iluciv, backports can damage your system heavily
[02:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> bob2. why not use it, becuase its unstable?
[02:59] <bob2> iluciv: because they're broken and silly
[02:59] <bob2> Kamping_Kaiser: because things will break
[02:59] <Seveas> not neccessarily, but i've seen more bad then good from backports
[02:59] <bob2> brezzy is not ready for end users
[02:59] <bob2> there's a big tool chain update coming soon
[02:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok
[02:59] <iluciv> can I just comment them out?? incase there unbroken in the future
[02:59] <bob2> if you don't know what that means, it's a sign you shouldn't be using it ;)
[02:59] <bob2> iluciv: yes
[02:59] <membreya> if I change the group file, do I need to do anything to reload it ?
[02:59] <Seveas> massivebreakage...
[02:59] <Anlar> bob2: woo, the selinux stuff in?
[02:59] <zenwhen> iluciv, because I used backports... instead of being able to upgrade to hoary... i had to format.
[03:00] <Seveas> backports stink...
[03:00] <plagerism> bob2, is that like a tool belt??
[03:00] <EvilSporkMan> is it normal for integrated networking on motherboards to make a bit of noise while transferring data? sort of a hiss or staticy noise...
[03:00] <bob2> Anlar: I don't know
[03:00] <Seveas> plagerism, lol :)
[03:00] <promethe> how can I manualy remove all works from the printer
[03:00] <Seveas> EvilSporkMan, no
[03:00] <bob2> zenwhen: you didn't have to format, you just had to remove the backports
[03:00] <zenwhen> EvilSporkMan, no that is not normal.
[03:00] <Anlar> evilsporkman: yes, it's quite common.
[03:01] <bob2> they're broken, but they're not *that* broken
[03:01] <Anlar> they are cheap anyways.
[03:01] <mipfi_> where can i set the sound output in flash to esound
[03:01] <zenwhen> bob2, technically you are right, but it would have been more trouble.
[03:01] <zenwhen> I had installed a ton of debian packages too
[03:01] <zenwhen> I really hosed my warty install.
[03:01] <EvilSporkMan> Anlar, Seveas / zenwhen: care to reconcile your differences real quick? ^^; I'm a bit worried because i just built the comp and it's the first one I've built.
[03:02] <zenwhen> But my hoary install stayed pure hoary and I ran it way before release.
[03:02] <Anlar> evilsporkman: you get what you paid for.
[03:02] <zenwhen> I love hoary. It got rid of my need for such practices.
[03:02] <Seveas> network things making noise dos not sound good...
[03:02] <Seveas> zenwhen, then don't use breeze for now :)
[03:02] <Anlar> nah, it's just some crappy insulation and signals interfering.. nothing bad.. a cheap integrated chip somewhere leaking or something.
[03:02] <EvilSporkMan> Anlar: I don't MIND the noise, I'm just wondering if it's harmful. are you implying I made a poor choice in motherboard? it's Abit's NF8 model for socket 754 (the networking is on it)
[03:03] <EvilSporkMan> Anlar: ah, ok. thanks
[03:03] <Anlar> evilsporkman: no. all the integrated are mostly crap. e100s are slightly better but they still are integrated.
[03:03] <ringmauer> how to format an ntfs disk into ext3?
[03:04] <Seveas> ringmauer, read the manpage for mkfs
[03:04] <EvilSporkMan> Anlar: could you clarify "crap"? do you mean unsafe to use, likely to break in the future, or just noisy?
[03:04] <ringmauer> seveas, tnx
[03:04] <Seveas> ringmauer, you know you'll lose all data and the drive won't be accessible from windows...
[03:04] <Anlar> evilsporkman: just cheap. does the stuff but it has been made as cheap as possible. they usually work good enough for desktops.
[03:04] <gaio> anyone can help me using gftp and ssl?
[03:04] <ringmauer> seveas, i know
[03:05] <Seveas> ok, just had to make sure ringmauer :)
[03:05] <ringmauer> seveas, but i dont understand the man, i want to format /dev/sda7 into an ext3 partion
[03:05] <goldfish> holy god.
[03:05] <goldfish> 495 nicks :)
[03:05] <goldfish> Man, I remember this only had 100 or so.
[03:05] <Seveas> :)
[03:05] <goldfish> Ubuntu will need it's own irc server soon :)
[03:06] <mahmoud> can anyone help in installing linux-686-smp via         apt-get install linux-686-smp
[03:06] <mahmoud> ?
[03:06] <Seveas> mahmoud, what's the problem?
[03:06] <EvilSporkMan> is hoary-amd64 considered harmful? i had nautilus crash a couple times last night and that's enough for me...
[03:06] <bob2> EvilSporkMan: please file a bug
[03:06] <bob2> mahmoud: you haven't told us what the problem is yet...
[03:07] <gaio> anyone can help me using gftp and ssl?
[03:07] <Seveas> gaio, just state the problem..
[03:07] <ringmauer> seveas, can u guide me a little bit, how to format /dev/sda7 into ext3,
[03:07] <goldfish> I'm installing hoary on an old pc i got, 500 pentium 3, 128 mb ram, it current has no ethernet card, but i'm gonna buy one soon, will there be much difficulty in installing an ethernet card on ubuntu? Sorry, I've never installed any hardware b4, and im not using linux too long...
[03:07] <promethe> how can I manualy remove all works from the printer
[03:07] <mahmoud> when i run uapt-get install linux-686-smp ,     I get Bad header line [IP: 82.211.81.151 80] 
[03:07] <mahmoud> Failed to fetch
[03:07] <Seveas> promethe, read the manpage for lprm
[03:07] <gaio> Seveas, i get this string from gftp: FTPS Support unavailable since SSL support was not compiled in. Aborting connection.
[03:08] <kash> hi i come with a small prob ...do u know how can i disable processes at every startup which are are useless ??? any idea ?
[03:08] <Seveas> gaio, that means you need to use another ftp client :)
[03:08] <Seveas> gaio, i believe nautilus can do sftp too
[03:09] <mahmoud> I also got this:  E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-mis sing?
[03:09] <Seveas> kash, processes that ubuntu starts at startup (default install) usually are not useless...
[03:09] <Seveas> mahmoud, run apt-get update a few times, see if it resolves
[03:09] <jintxo> kash, you can use "update-rc.d" to remove services at startup. becareful with what you remove though ;-p
[03:09] <Seveas> jintxo, not good
[03:09] <gaio> kash, use UBM
[03:09] <Seveas> that'll be undone after the next upgrade of that package
[03:10] <SysFail> whats a good value for gxgears????...im getting about 600 or so
[03:10] <SysFail> glxgears
[03:10] <kash> some processes are exactly the same for example apache2 is present 3 times
[03:10] <plagerism> SysFail, depends on your card/drivers
[03:11] <LinuxJones> SysFail, that's a bit low I usually get 1700 with a Nvidia GForce2
[03:11] <Seveas> SysFail, depends on your hardware...
[03:11] <barto-kun> SysFail: I was getting 3000+ on ATi drivers, back when I had a *shudder* ATi card
[03:11] <SysFail> thats what i have...gfroce 2
[03:11] <EvilSporkMan> SysFail: glxinfo | grep render
[03:11] <Seveas> kash, that is normal
[03:11] <jintxo> kash, that's because apache starts up a minimum number of server prosesses when it starts
[03:11] <barto-kun> 6000+ on my GeForce 6600GT
[03:11] <EvilSporkMan> SysFail: you should see Direct rendering: Yes
[03:11] <SysFail> direct rendering: Yes
[03:11] <SysFail> OpenGL renderer string: GeForce2 MX/AGP/SSE/3DNOW!
[03:11] <tbird> 3397.000 FPS on a FX5200
[03:11] <kash> what about getty which is present 4 times
[03:11] <EvilSporkMan> SysFail: well, I get 600 fps just using Mesa =P
[03:11] <mahmoud> I did  "apt-get update" several times. I get the same problem with Synaptic: Bad headers. Could the package be corrupted??
[03:12] <SysFail> yeah..something is wrong somewhere
[03:12] <SysFail> 600 cant be right
[03:12] <EvilSporkMan> kash: getty runs once for each virtual terminal
[03:12] <plagerism> Man I feel envy, I gotta get rid of this damn ATI card
[03:12] <SysFail> its a 64 meg card though
[03:12] <Seveas> mahmoud, apt-get update does nothing with packages
[03:12] <kash> oh ok
[03:12] <barto-kun> SysFail: well, it is a GeForce 2
[03:12] <Seveas> just the lists
[03:12] <EvilSporkMan> SysFail: are you using official nvidia drivers or just nv?
[03:12] <tbird> SysFail, are you using nvidia instead of nv in xorg.conf ?
[03:12] <barto-kun> so I wouldn't expect a whole lot from it
[03:12] <Seveas> mahmoud, can you paste your sources.list somewhere?
[03:12] <SysFail> let me check...i think im using nvidia
[03:12] <kash> ok
[03:12] <kash> ok
[03:13] <SysFail> yeah im using nvidia
[03:13] <SysFail> its an old card...maybe 600 is it
[03:13] <SysFail> its still better than the ati 7500 i had in here
[03:14] <goldfish> Just curious, I need to buy en ethernet card for a pc i have hoary on, want to run a server, can anyone recommend a good one that will work with hoary? Or should most new ones do the job?
[03:14] <SysFail> i have glx loaded and dri commented out
[03:14] <plagerism> Yea I get about 300 on my ATI RADEON 9000
[03:14] <plagerism> wtf is 300
[03:14] <tbird> SysFail, sounds right
[03:14] <kash> another question ...  i m trying to install zope/plone since a while but i don't know howcan i do
[03:15] <kash> ...
[03:15] <SysFail> linux hates ati
[03:15] <SysFail> heh
[03:15] <SysFail> that 7500 is a nice windows card though
[03:15] <plagerism> At one point linux was pro ATI and hated nvidia
[03:15] <plagerism> but the tables have turned
[03:15] <tbird> yet ive seen some really nice outputs from ati
[03:16] <LinuxJones> kash, you have to enable the universe repository
[03:16] <plagerism> oh no wait, I am not using fglrx to get 300, I forgot removed them cause dga is all screwey with fglrx
[03:16] <xiaogil> Where is the help page for the restricted formats, i can't find it ?
[03:16] <kash> sorry i m new to linux ?? can u explain
[03:17] <LinuxJones> kash, check this out >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[03:17] <kash> ok
[03:17] <kash> thanks
[03:17] <mahmoud> Seveas, here's my sources.list :     http://www.millol.com/sources.list.txt
[03:17] <LinuxJones> kash, you should also check out www.ubuntuguide.org it has a ton of great info for new Ubuntu users :)
[03:18] <kash> oki thanks so much
[03:18] <Seveas> mahmoud, that is a normal sources.list weird
[03:19] <Seveas> the archive.ubuntu.com server has no problems now...
[03:19] <LinuxJones> xiaogil, >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[03:19] <mahmoud> The "linux-686-smp" file could be corrupted.
[03:19] <Seveas> shouldn't be
[03:20] <Seveas> mahmoud, apt-get update itself doesn't give problems?
[03:21] <SysFail> wow the GL screensavers are cool
[03:21] <SysFail> never been able to run em before
[03:22] <ringmauer> how to mount /dev/sda7 (EXT3) partion in ubuntu?
[03:23] <mahmoud> Here's the "apt-get update" output:  http://www.millol.com/update.txt
[03:23] <goldfish> Cool, ubuntu server installed worked no problems on this old pc i got ! WOO!
[03:24] <XplOzIon> anyone get this error using ubuntu-geek script? Error: ERROR # 100 : There was an error in msttcorefonts acroread acroread-plugin libdvdcss2 gnomebaker gftp flashplayer-mozilla installation.
[03:24] <XplOzIon> or is it because those has a diff name now??
[03:24] <ringmauer> please help me!!      how to mount /dev/sda7 (EXT3) partion in ubuntu?
[03:25] <tbird> ringmauer,   mount /dev/sda7 dont  work ?
[03:25] <Seveas> ringmauer, mount -t extr /dev/sda7 /your/mountpoint
[03:25] <XplOzIon> ringmauer, sudo mount -t extr /dev/sda7 /Where/You/wantit/
[03:25] <MyKq3> how can i rename on cansole?
[03:26] <Seveas> -t ext3, sorry
[03:26] <MyKq3> terminal
[03:26] <XplOzIon> lmao i made same mistake =/
[03:27] <ringmauer> yes but if i write $ sudo mount dev/sda7 /home/devices/hd1 -t ntfs -o umask =0222
[03:27] <ringmauer> it doesnt work
[03:27] <Seveas> ringmauer, that is for an ntfs disk
[03:27] <XplOzIon> hd1?
[03:27] <Seveas> not an ext3 one
[03:27] <ringmauer> oh sorry ofcourse i write -t ext3 instead
[03:27] <ringmauer> sorry
[03:27] <ringmauer> but it still doesnt work
[03:27] <LinuxJones> MyKq3, you use the mv command (move and rename) it mv test.txt test1.txt
[03:27] <Seveas> ext3 doesn't need the -o umask stuff
[03:28] <Seveas> it doesn't even understand that :)
[03:28] <MyKq3> thanks LinuxJones
[03:28] <LinuxJones> ;)
[03:28] <Xappe> ringmauer: have you created the mountpoint?
[03:28] <ringmauer> okay now it worked whitout the umas
[03:28] <ringmauer> tnx
[03:28] <Xappe> ok
[03:28] <ringmauer> what is the lost+found folder in the ext3 pation=
[03:28] <ringmauer> ?
[03:29] <XplOzIon> =PPP
[03:29] <Seveas> ringmauer, the result of fsck
[03:29] <XplOzIon> lost and found littles childs
[03:29] <ringmauer> can i delete it?
[03:29] <XplOzIon> sure
[03:29] <Seveas> you can but shouldn;t
[03:29] <ringmauer> okay, ill keep it
[03:29] <ringmauer> but it is nothing in it
[03:30] <Seveas> ringmauer, if fsck finds errors in your filesystem, it will store otherwise lost files there
[03:30] <Seveas> so it will recreate it anyway
[03:30] <ringmauer> okay so it doesnt matter if i delete it
[03:30] <bob2> well
[03:30] <bob2> you should check them first
[03:31] <ikaro> mojn
[03:31] <ringmauer> another question, how to defrag the disks in linux?
[03:31] <bob2> you don't
[03:31] <mahmoud> Seveas : Here's the "apt-get update" output:  http://www.millol.com/update.txt and here's the "apt-get install" output : http://www.millol.com/install.txt
[03:31] <bob2> linux filesystems don't really need it
[03:31] <bob2> and none of them have useful defragging tools anyway
[03:32] <bob2> mahmoud: were you complaining about that before?
[03:32] <ringmauer> seveas, I cant write to my newly mounted ext3 partion,, do you know why?
[03:32] <Seveas> ringmauer, because it is owned by root perhaps?
[03:32] <goldfish> how do you change the name of your system?
[03:32] <Seveas> bob2, yes, install error
[03:32] <ringmauer> seveas, i think so, but what should i do to be able to write to it?
[03:33] <Seveas> ringmauer, chown it to your UID
[03:33] <ringmauer> seveas, how? im a beginner
[03:34] <curry_> hello
[03:34] <mahmoud> bob2 : Actuallty it's my first installation. I want the Linux core to support my P4 hyperthreading. I was able to apt-get other programs but not the linux-686-smp
[03:34] <plagerism> ringmauer, I am gonna tell you the most important piece of information you will ever need.  This will make life so much easier. man chown
[03:34] <plagerism> ringmauer, man is your friend
[03:35] <Seveas> mahmoud, weird, i can download it just fine ...
[03:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> mahmoud the smp kernel isnt for HT
[03:35] <Seveas> Kamping_Kaiser, it is
[03:35] <Anlar> actually it is.
[03:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> well it didnt do it
[03:35] <ringmauer> plagerism, yes i know, but i doesnt even know what UID is, and ive really tried to fix it
[03:35] <Anlar> ht is from the kernel perspective 2 cpu smp.
[03:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> no its not. it doesnt work
[03:35] <plagerism> ringmauer, user id
[03:35] <Seveas> Kamping_Kaiser, it does :)
[03:35] <Anlar> you are just out like a snowman.
[03:36] <ringmauer> plagerism, okay and how do i find it
[03:36] <Seveas> ringmauer, what is your username on that system?
[03:36] <ringmauer> seveas, ringmauer
[03:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> seveas :( it didnt for me, so bugger.
[03:36] <Seveas> then do: sudo chown ringmauer /the/mount/point
[03:36] <plagerism> ringmauer UID=ringmauer
[03:36] <curry_> i just upgradet my warthy to hoary, bur now my stime ist half in english and the other half is in german, is there any way to change these setting to german for all. also gnome is 50/50
[03:37] <ringmauer> plagerism, seveas, thanks for your help (i know im a pain in the ass)
[03:37] <Seveas> curry_, dpkg-reconfigure locales
[03:37] <Seveas> ringmauer, you're not :)
[03:37] <plagerism> ringmauer, I was a pain in the ass at one point too!! Most of us were!!
[03:37] <Seveas> ringmauer, you're a friendly newbie, tose are the good ones :)
[03:37] <ringmauer> Tnx,,
[03:37] <plagerism> actually still can be a pain in the ass!!
[03:38] <mahmoud> Kamping_Kaiser, the SMP kernel worked fine with my Fedora installation. I think it supports HT
[03:39] <Seveas> mahmoud, you could try just downloading the .deb files from archive.ubuntu.com and run dpkg -i on them
[03:39] <ringmauer> what whas it i should write?
[03:39] <Seveas> sudo chown ringmauer /the/mount/point
[03:39] <ringmauer> i quitted x-chat by misstake
[03:39] <ringmauer> ok tnx once again
[03:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> the smp kernel works, just there was no second procesor. it defaulited to single cpu mode mahmoud
[03:40] <ringmauer> seveas output is :  sudo: chrown: command not found
[03:40] <Seveas> chown
[03:40] <Seveas> not chrown
[03:40] <Seveas> :)
[03:41] <ringmauer> ok ,, thnx,
[03:41] <bob2> Kamping_Kaiser: right, the single cpu kernel will work fine on dual systems, but only one cpu will be visible
[03:41] <mahmoud> Kamping_Kaiser, I'm sure I saw 2cpus in the System Monitor
[03:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> bob2, what we are dealing with is a SMP kernel on a HT system, and HT counts as one cpu (at least for me)
[03:42] <bob2> perhaps you need some magic apic options or something
[03:42] <Seveas> Kamping_Kaiser, not for the kernel :)
[03:42] <drcodedd2> Hi all
[03:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> well ill try smp under breezy, but it didnt happen under hoary
[03:42] <bob2> Kamping_Kaiser: it should work on any version
[03:42] <ringmauer> seveas, thank you very much, now it works
[03:43] <drcodedd2> If I chose to install server mode , the SSHD load automticly?
[03:43] <bob2> Kamping_Kaiser: you're checking the output of 'cat /proc/cpuinfo', right?
[03:43] <drcodedd2> or I need manualy to setup it?
[03:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> i dont have an smp kernel atm, or i would check agin
[03:43] <mahmoud> Seveas, I don't know witch dependencies i need. apt-get can install them at once if i'm right
[03:44] <curry_> Seveas : that does not work, the gnome title is in english the menue in german for example
[03:44] <liable> drcodedd2: netstat will tell you if sshd is running
[03:45] <alexx__> hi, I've installed hoary but doesn't mount my usb key. I can prin't with the usb printer only if I boot the pc afer swich on the printer why?
[03:45] <enplo> can i install alioth's mono 1.1.6 packages for debian in ubuntu hoary?
[03:45] <drcodedd2> thanx
[03:45] <drcodedd2> I will check it
[03:46] <Dalkus> enplo,  you mean through apt?
[03:46] <Mr_T> alexx__, plug it in and type 'lsusb' into a terminal
[03:46] <alexx__> Mr_T, I've no answer...
[03:47] <promethe> As anyone got good Tiger or Panther-like theme for GNOME? On gnome-look there aren't good versions :|
[03:47] <drcodedd2> ssh didnt loca
[03:47] <drcodedd2> loca
[03:47] <drcodedd2> load
[03:47] <drcodedd2> how I can load sshd
[03:47] <drcodedd2> I have the install CD
[03:47] <enplo> Dalkus: yes
[03:47] <alexx__> Mr_T, not else the prompt
[03:47] <Mr_T> alexx__, try "sudo apt-get install usbutils"
[03:48] <liable> drcodedd2: apt-get install ssh
[03:48] <enplo> Dalkus: I know how to add sources etc, i just don't know if they're compatible
[03:48] <Dalkus> enplo, look at see? You can check synaptic, or if you want to use the commandline: "sudo apt-cache search blah" to search for a package
[03:48] <drcodedd2> I dont have internet there
[03:48] <Mr_T> also "modprobe usbcore"
[03:48] <drcodedd2> its in local lan
[03:48] <drcodedd2> I have the Ubnuto cd
[03:48] <drcodedd2> cdrom
[03:48] <liable> drcodedd2: yes, you can install it from cd
[03:49] <drcodedd2> thanx
[03:49] <Mr_T> drcodedd2, have a look in synaptic package manager#
[03:49] <drcodedd2> I will try it
[03:49] <drcodedd2> I install server mode
[03:49] <drcodedd2> I dont want to run XSERVER
[03:49] <Mr_T> alexx__, any luck?
[03:49] <alexx__> Mr_T, I've do both but nothing is change
[03:49] <drcodedd2> synaptic work on;y in xerver env
[03:49] <Mr_T> hmm
[03:49] <plagerism> Okay attempting to downgrade back to hoary!! Wish me luck!!
[03:49] <liable> drcodedd2: what does your /etc/apt/sources.list have in it
[03:50] <drcodedd2> I dont know
[03:50] <drcodedd2> I on;y install from the cd
[03:50] <enplo> Dalkus, well, ubuntu's repos only have stable mono releases and i need 1.1.6
[03:50] <drcodedd2> I can tell source.list to look in cdrom?
[03:50] <Mr_T> alexx__, does the key have any lights and do they come on at all?
[03:50] <drcodedd2> or apt-get know to go to cdrom
[03:50] <Dalkus> then you'll have to search the internet for it. I would advise looking for a .deb file
[03:50] <Dalkus> then use dpkg -i filename.deb to install
[03:51] <drcodedd2> dalk: I have the ubnuto cdrom
[03:51] <liable> drcodedd2: 'apt-setup' point it to cd
[03:51] <Mr_T> drcodedd2, easiest way to tell it to check CD is to go to system>administration>ubuntu update manager
[03:51] <drcodedd2> k
[03:51] <drcodedd2> thanx
[03:51] <Mr_T> click preferences
[03:51] <drcodedd2> I will go to ehck it
[03:51] <Mr_T> and tick the CD
[03:51] <drcodedd2> thanx
[03:51] <alexx__> Mr_T, yes it make a light when plugged in but afer nothing else
[03:51] <enplo> ok thanks
[03:51] <Dalkus> drcodedd2, I was talking to enplo :)
[03:51] <Dalkus> np
[03:52] <Mr_T> alexx__, ok, try "sudo apt-get install libusb-0.1-4"
[03:52] <alexx__> Mr_T, libusb-0.1-4 is already the newest version.
[03:53] <Mr_T> hmm ok
[03:53] <Mr_T> those are the only usb packages I have installed and mine works
[03:53] <Mr_T> one sec
[03:54] <abelli> hi there
[03:55] <Kartagis> does anyone have any idea why wi
[03:56] <zenwhen> wi wat
[03:56] <Kartagis> does anyone have any idea why either rhythmbox or dc++ doesn't add directories recursively
[03:56] <beezly> Kartagis: rhythmbox does
[03:56] <Kartagis> sorry zenwhen, hit enter by accident
[03:56] <alexx__> Mr_T, can be grub the problem?
[03:56] <Mr_T> can anyone tell alexx__ the command to mount USB
[03:57] <zenwhen> I hate rhythmbox so badly. it crashes trying to import my music.
[03:57] <zenwhen> I use mpd.
[03:57] <Mr_T> trying to find my usb cable to plug in my mp3 player and see what it shows up as
[03:57] <Mr_T> but having no luck
[03:57] <Mr_T> I did however find a welsh dictionary under my desk
[03:57] <Kartagis> beezly: nope, I have over 3000 files and rhythmbox added only 1172 (the main folder)
[03:58] <alexx__> Mr_T, I havn't device sda so I can't mout it with mount /dev/sda1 /mnt
[03:58] <beezly> Kartagis: I have over 7000 and it worked :)
[03:59] <beezly> Kartagis: do you have a mix of mp3's and other files?
[03:59] <abelli> does someone have problems with esd and alsa/oss?
[03:59] <Kartagis> beezly: nope, they are all mp3s
[03:59] <liable> alexx__: what does 'dmesg | tail' show when you plug it in
[03:59] <sixtir> hi all, I know I should rtfm but I'm in a hurry so could someone please tell me how to install k3b with dvd support?
[03:59] <skora> Abelli, yup I do i too
[04:00] <skora> after I upgrading to hoary from warty
[04:00] <skora> I was able to ask that question in here ^_^
[04:00] <alexx__> apm: overridden by ACPI.
[04:00] <alexx__> ip_tables: (C) 2000-2002 Netfilter core team
[04:00] <alexx__> eth1: no IPv6 routers present
[04:00] <alexx__> usb 1-2: new full speed USB device using address 2
[04:00] <alexx__> usb 1-2: control timeout on ep0out
[04:00] <alexx__> ohci_hcd 0000:00:02.0: Unlink after no-IRQ?  Different ACPI or APIC settings may help.
[04:00] <alexx__> SCSI subsystem initialized
[04:00] <alexx__> Initializing USB Mass Storage driver...
[04:00] <alexx__> usbcore: registered new driver usb-storage
[04:00] <alexx__> USB Mass Storage support registered.
[04:00] <beezly> sixtir: #kubuntu would be a better place to ask?
[04:00] <abelli> skora: did you resolve it anyway?
[04:00] <Kartagis> abelli: I was told that totem not sync'ing video with audio was an esd problem
[04:00] <sixtir> ok beezly thx
[04:00] <skora> abelli, nope :(
[04:00] <skora> skora, nah.
[04:01] <beezly> sixtir: np
[04:01] <liable> alexx__: run it again
[04:01] <dockane> installed streamtuner and vlc. then added vlc as the player in streamtuner. vlc says "oss error: cannot open audio device (/dev/dsp)". what went wrong ?
[04:01] <liable> alexx__: the dmesg bit
[04:01] <scottj> when I bootup not connected to the internet it takes forever for the finding network connections to time out. is there a way to do that quicker?
[04:01] <abelli> skora: because here they say that is a problem of gnome libraries if i understand correctly http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2001/02/msg00981.html
[04:01] <alexx__> liable, but if it isn't plugged do the same answer
[04:02] <liable> alexx__: ?? english
[04:02] <scottj> also, my laptop crashes usually after about five minutes when I disconnect it from AC power--I think the power settings in linux must be messed up somehow, anyone had this problem or know maybe what to do?
[04:02] <skora> abelli, thanks, I checked that out....so I should use helix player instead ?
[04:03] <alexx__> liable, sorry I wold tell you that dmesg | tail tell me the same thing if I plug the usb key or not
[04:03] <Mr_T> scottj, search the ubuntu site for your laptop name/model
[04:03] <Mr_T> see if anyone else has that problem
[04:03] <abelli> skora: dont really know .. but how can we call it free software if we're not able to use xmms :)
[04:03] <plagerism> Okay downgrading seems less painful than I was expecting it to be.  That scares me
[04:04] <Mr_T> skora, use beep media player
[04:04] <jin> anyone here using linuxdcpp?
[04:04] <skora> Mr_T, ill install that.
[04:04] <Mr_T> woah, jtn, yo
[04:04] <Mr_T> oh wait
[04:04] <Mr_T> sorry
[04:05] <skora> xmms freezes when I play mp3s, but I can't find it listed on top
[04:05] <skora> [the cmd] 
[04:05] <wdh> killall xmms
[04:05] <wdh> :P
[04:05] <wdh> or 'ps -u skora'
[04:06] <scottj> Mr_T, nice, found it. how do I disable laptop-mode ?
[04:06] <wdh> top doesnt list _all_ processes.. it lists the top X of processes.. hence the name
[04:06] <Mr_T> eerm, one sec
[04:06] <SysFail> ps -aux
[04:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> how do you get the end of a file? like cat, but just the end
[04:08] <wdh> tail file
[04:08] <steve_> Kamping: you can use tail
[04:08] <plagerism> downgrading was painless, I had to do Zero Fiddling
[04:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> thanks
[04:08] <jin> does anyone know how to run linuxdcpp it with active mode?
[04:08] <skora> asta !
[04:09] <steve_> will give you the last 10 lines by default
[04:09] <Mr_T> I can't remember where I saw the option to change laptop-mode to normal
[04:11] <drummer87> anyone here use a dlink wireless pci card dwl-g520+? or one with acx111 chip?
[04:11] <dockane> alsa = works. oss = doesnt work
[04:11] <drummer87> (or any brand with acx111)
[04:12] <dockane> oss error: cannot open audio device (/dev/dsp)
[04:12] <Quinn_Storm> though this is likely not what you're talking about, I've had the most luck using alsa & then setting "simple" apps (like 'play one .wav file') to play to the oss-emulation (using an emu10k1 card, sb-live value)
[04:13] <^vir^> does a media library exist for xmms as i like the look of it but it isn't half as good as rythembox ?
[04:14] <skora> just a playlist editor
[04:14] <dockane> what should i do to get vlc's sound  working ?
[04:15] <Quinn_Storm> dockane: it sounds like you have a single-open sound card and you are running esd.  is that right? (do pgrep esd and see if anything comes up)
[04:15] <xxenon> Im recompiling a kernel from the linux-source-2.6.10 package. How to do I generate the initrd as well ?
[04:15] <robertj> xxenon: are you using dpkg?
[04:15] <dockane> Quinn_Storm, yes the pid returns
[04:15] <xxenon> robertj - no.
[04:16] <Quinn_Storm> dockane: then try killall esd before you run vlc
[04:16] <robertj> have you read up on make-kpkg?
[04:16] <xxenon> robertj - no
[04:16] <scottj> ^vir^, not sure,  but I've heard imms is pretty sweet. it's a plugin for xmms that analyzes what you like and how and when and makes decisions for you..the only reason I don't use it is I hate xmms' looks but prefer rhythmbox's UI :)
[04:16] <robertj> xxenon: that's probably what you should do
[04:16] <xxenon> robertj - url ?
[04:16] <liable> xxenon: apt-get install kernel-package
[04:17] <xxenon> done
[04:17] <robertj> http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html
[04:17] <mahmoud> Everybody here have different opinions about P4 HT. Is the linux-686-smp the right kernel for it? What do you think?
[04:17] <xxenon> thx
[04:17] <scottj> so anyone know how to disable laptop-mode?
[04:17] <liable> xxenon: read a howto compile kernels debian way
[04:17] <skora> hmmm I'm wondering, how to fix the xmms, since I have no probs using xine
[04:18] <srbaker> yo
[04:18] <liable> scottj: just remove it or /etc/init.d/laptop-mode stop
[04:18] <srbaker> i have  tv tuner, and tuner type is set to -1
[04:18] <srbaker> is there a gui way to change that setting?
[04:18] <raydogg> why would /dev/sda1 not mount in fstab, but works when i use the mount command?
[04:18] <^vir^> thank you scottj  for your helpful answer
[04:18] <mjr> does softsusp work for anyone with amd64, incidentally?
[04:19] <scottj> liable, what will I lose w/o laptop-mode? the wiki said that would fix my laptop crashing when on battery power, but will that get rid of something I need for laptops, like cpu scaling or better battery power?
[04:19] <ringmauer> what should i write if i want to mount somethig so that i can see it in computer+
[04:19] <ringmauer> =
[04:19] <ringmauer> ?
[04:19] <scottj> liable, like screen dimming on battery power or something
[04:20] <scottj> ^vir^, is that sarcastic? sorry dude, I don't know about a media library but thought I'd share something (imms) that I thought looked cool, since you use xmms
[04:20] <liable> scottj: no, it basically just spins down your hdd, and can scale your cpu if cpufreqd is set up prperly
[04:20] <herjan> hello do somebody know somthing about ubuntu?
[04:20] <herjan> hallo??
[04:20] <webtoe> We all know a little about ubuntu,
[04:21] <^vir^> nah i wasn't being sarcastic i was actually quite interested in what you said
[04:21] <herjan> o right....
[04:21] <robertj> ring: mount it to /media/something
[04:21] <herjan> i wanna install something
[04:21] <webtoe> what do you want to install
[04:21] <liable> scottj: what does your lappie do when it crashes
[04:21] <camcorder> yeah I know some thing about it, isn't it the channel we're in?
[04:21] <herjan> some package you know. it's my first day with ubuntu
[04:21] <mahmoud> ringmauer: mount /etc/your_device /mnt/your_directory
[04:21] <webtoe> along the top of the screen
[04:21] <webtoe> go to System
[04:21] <herjan> can i go prive with you?
[04:21] <webtoe> then administration
[04:21] <webtoe> yes you can herjan
[04:21] <scottj> liable, it actually just stalls. it's a T40, and apparently I don't have /etc/init.d/laptop-mode
[04:22] <liable> scottj: cat '/etc/init.d' look for laptop modish script
[04:22] <scottj> liable, I thought it might have been the hard drive spinning down and not spinning up again. I changed the interval to never in the BIOS but maybe linux doesn't read that cause it still crashes
[04:23] <liable> scottj: you have acpi or apm enabled
[04:23] <scottj> liable, laptop-net?
[04:23] <liable> scottj: no
[04:23] <scottj> liable, I'm not sure..
[04:24] <scottj> liable, how do I check whether acpi or apm? definitely no script in init.d named laptop something. I do have laptop-mode package installed
[04:24] <liable> scottj: dpkg -L apmd
[04:25] <scottj> well, it's installed, but doesn't it come installed on ubuntu by default?
[04:25] <liable> scottj: apmd is installed?
[04:25] <scottj> yeah
[04:25] <scottj> but I don't know if it's running
[04:26] <liable> scottj: apt-get remove --purge apmd
[04:26] <liable> scottj: apt-get install acpid
[04:26] <WeirdAl> How can I make the Firefox Flash plugin use alsa?
[04:26] <scottj> alright, both were installed. I think apmd got installed by ubuntu-desktop
[04:26] <WeirdAl> Oh! And how come I don't have a  symbol in Open Office's Arial font?
[04:27] <jin> how come I cant use alsa? I have to set to esd to have sound?
[04:27] <scottj> liable, anything else I should know before I pull this off AC and test it?
[04:27] <xxenon> robertj - I followed the document..still...I have no initrd.
[04:27] <liable> scottj: my bad, 'ls /etc/init.d'    laptop-mode?
[04:28] <Quinn_Storm> jin: that's b/c you're using a single-open audio device, and ubuntu uses esd by default
[04:28] <scottj> liable, yeah, I saw the error..nope, nothing there
[04:29] <liable> scottj: well, apt-get install laptop-mode-tools
[04:29] <scottj> liable, /etc/power/event.d/laptop-mode ?
[04:29] <robertj> you built the kernel along with --initrd it should work
[04:29] <elcu> i just upgraded from the 386 kernel to 686.  i can't tell any difference.
[04:30] <dantheman> is it possible to install programs from .rpm's on ubuntu?
[04:30] <liable> scottj: when you say you have laptop-mode installed, its a kernel thing your reffering too?
[04:30] <hypno> elcu lol, what did you expect?
[04:30] <jin> dantheman: use alien
[04:30] <dantheman> does it come with ubuntu, or do i have to get it?
[04:31] <elcu> dantheman: yes, use alien to convert it to .deb and then use dpkg.  you probably have to d'load it
[04:31] <^vir^> alien is installed with ubuntu
[04:31] <elcu> hypno: :)  well, someone was saying how they noticed slightly better performance.
[04:31] <jin> how can I play files that require tscc codecs on ubuntu? where Can I get that?
[04:31] <Raskall> hmm.. my laptop (pentium 4M - 2GHz) shuts down when it reaches 95 degrees celsius. Is it risky to raise this limit and if not, where do I change it?
[04:32] <wezzer> aiee
[04:32] <wezzer> 95 degrees celsius is bit much
[04:32] <ringmauer> mahmoud, so if i mount in mnt the device will be seen in computer
[04:32] <zenwhen> Raskall, I would rma it
[04:32] <Raskall> zenwhen: rma?
[04:33] <^vir^> /bin/mkdir: cannot create directory `/usr/src': File exists /bin/ln: creating symbolic link `/usr/src/linux' to `': No such file or directory Can't find the kernel sources. Please, install them and run this program. <--- i've used get apt-get install  linux-headers then the kernel build what could be wrong do you reckon?
[04:33] <Raskall> wezzer: only gets that way with high disk- and graphics load.
[04:33] <Raskall> it just shut down when my daughter had finally collected enough herrings in a race she had struggled with for some time. :)
[04:34] <liable> scottj: you dont use your eth0 for internet?
[04:34] <Raskall> zenwhen: what does rma mean?
[04:34] <zenwhen> send it back to whereever you got it
[04:34] <zenwhen> that should never happen
[04:34] <elcu> ^vir^: you need to install the kernel-source package that matches your current kernel.
[04:35] <Raskall> zenwhen: I got it for free from my previous employer. They told me to just keep it when I left. :)
[04:35] <herjan> hello i need somebody who can halp me with ubuntu. with installing files?? who can help me?
[04:35] <jin> anyone? tscc codecs for ubuntu?
[04:36] <scottj> liable, I do use eth0 for internet. laptop-mode installed means the debian package is installed
[04:36] <elcu> herjan: just ask your question.
[04:36] <herjan> i wanna know how i can install some programs
[04:36] <^vir^> herjan, you can use apt-get install
[04:36] <Raskall> zenwhen: I guess I will call my hardware-pusher and ask if he can get me som kind of cooling extension.
[04:36] <^vir^> herjan,  many ways exist
[04:36] <herjan> what's the best way?
[04:37] <elcu> herjan: synaptic is the easiest.
[04:37] <scottj> liable, I installed laptop-mode-tools, and now have init.d/laptop-mode, and I pulled out the AC now that I'm not runing apmd (and when I installed laptop-mode-tools it said it was starting) and I guess we'll see how long before this system stalls
[04:37] <herjan> o right elcu
[04:37] <herjan> i have start the program now.
[04:37] <elcu> herjan: check out ubuntuguide.org first to see how you add repositories
[04:37] <liable> scottj: you installed laptop-mode-tools?
[04:38] <scottj> liable, yeah
[04:38] <herjan> thank you elcu
[04:38] <elcu> np
[04:38] <scottj> liable, but actually the wiki said to remove laptop-mode, but since it wasn't running I figured I'll give it a try
[04:38] <liable> scottj: now look in /var/log/acpi and see what happened when you pulled ac
[04:39] <liable> scottj: if you have apmd and acpid running, they tend to fuck things up
[04:39] <srbaker> so where should i put the default options for bttv?
[04:39] <srbaker> in /etc/modutils/bttv ?
[04:39] <Raskall> hmm.. laptop-mode-tools wasnt installed. maybe those will let me configure things to not get so hot?
[04:39] <dantheman> does anyone here use gnome gtray?
[04:40] <liable> srbaker: in its .conf file?
[04:40] <herjan> hello. how can i listen to mp3 and wav files??
[04:41] <liable> Raskall: maybe cpu scaling will help for that
[04:41] <herjan> what's the best program to listen to music?
[04:41] <Raskall> liable: it does cpu-scaling, but I cant configure the cpu to go below 60% of some reason.
[04:41] <srbaker> liable, bttv is a kernel module
[04:42] <raydogg> how do I configure a software raid system after I've installed ubuntu ?
[04:42] <scott_> liable: yeah, laptop stalled again
[04:42] <^vir^> rythembox & xmms are your best bet herjan
[04:42] <herjan> thank you wir
[04:42] <^vir^> xmms is very skinable, has alot of plugins & looks like winamp 2
[04:42] <elcu> herjan: http://ubuntuguide.org/#codecs
[04:42] <liable> Raskall: look in your cpufreqd conf if you use it, myabe using performance governor
[04:43] <gnuts> hello all, i've got an ndiswrapper Q. compiled 1.2rc1 from source, installed driver, light comes on, net applet detects networs but i can't get connected to any
[04:43] <herjan> o right
[04:43] <liable> scott_: whats the logs say
[04:43] <aimaz> raydogg: http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/html_single/Software-RAID-HOWTO.html
[04:43] <Raskall> liable: will do. :) thanks for the pointer. I have been looking for gui-config for cpufreq
[04:43] <gnuts> iwcofig gives:Warning: Driver for device wlan0 recommend version 18 of Wireless Extension,but has been compiled with version 17, therefore some driver features
[04:43] <gnuts> may not be available
[04:44] <^vir^> herjan, just check that site elcu  pasted its a decent site it will tell you how to set up your box so you can watch films & all sorts
[04:44] <liable> srbaker: /usr/share/doc/bttv? have a look there maybe
[04:44] <raydogg> thx aimaz
[04:45] <liable> Raskall: dunno if it exists, speedstep processor?
[04:45] <scott_> liable, doesn't appear to show anything right before the crash
[04:45] <liable> scott_: the acpi logs?
[04:45] <scott_> liable: yeah
[04:45] <liable> scott_: what about syslog?
[04:46] <scott_> acpid  says stuff 10 minutes before but that's it
[04:46] <elcu> jin: try installing mplayer or the mplayer codecs.  it supports tscc.
[04:46] <Raskall> liable: it seems i only have the gnome-applet for cpufreq installed and not the cpufreqd itself. Might explain a thing or two. :)
[04:46] <liable> scott_: you removed apmd?
[04:46] <elcu> jin: http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/codecs-status.html
[04:46] <^vir^> if i 'm using kernel 2.6.10.5 do i just need the source for 2.6.10?
[04:47] <liable> Raskall: if you compile your own kernel, ondemand gov, works sweet, but its disabled by default and has to be built in
[04:47] <Raskall> liable: thanks. you might have saved my (computers) life. :)
[04:48] <Raskall> eww... the baby on my chest is making disgusting noises..
[04:48] <elcu> ^vir^: yes.  i think so.
[04:48] <markuman> where are the gamers? went to #ubuntu-gaming ;-)
[04:49] <liable> scott_: lsmod, are there any acpi modules loaded?
[04:49] <herjan> i'm now in synaptic and i have download a tar file from the internet. is it ok?
[04:49] <scott_> liable: ibm_acpi, pcc_acpi, sony_acpi
[04:49] <^vir^> what ever you do don't upgrade to 2.6.7 using apt-get it will crash on load i learnt that the other night :(
[04:50] <drcoded> Hi all
[04:50] <drcoded> whats up
[04:50] <liable> scott_: you removed apmd?
[04:50] <drcoded> I am back with my ubntu server
[04:50] <drcoded> I need some help
[04:50] <scott_> liable, I did apt-get remove apmd, yes
[04:50] <drcoded> I have two computer A and B , I want to use ubntu server as gateway
[04:50] <liable> scott_: sony-acpi??????
[04:50] <elcu> herjan: synaptic lets you install packages in .deb format.  if you've got a tar file, you are "installing from source" and need to follow the instructions that are usually included.  you cannot use synaptic to install via tart files.
[04:51] <liable> scott_: rmmod sony-acpi
[04:51] <drcoded> so it will take the packet from computer B and will forward it to Internet
[04:51] <elcu> s/tart/tar :P
[04:51] <herjan> o right
[04:51] <drcoded> what I need to setyp
[04:51] <drcoded> up
[04:51] <liable> scott_: blacklist it in hotplug and discover
[04:51] <webtoe> drcoded: iptables and NAT routing
[04:51] <scott_> liable, how do I do that?
[04:51] <blk> is it possible to lookup the ip of a linux-host in the local network using the hostname? there's no samba installed so nmblookup won't do, nor are both PCs in a domain
[04:51] <drcoded> well I am realy newbie
[04:52] <drcoded> I need to install iptable and nat?
[04:52] <drcoded> or I can do command line
[04:52] <Xappe> drcoded: shorewall will do that for you
[04:52] <SysFail> turning that into a router is pretty complicated for a newbie
[04:52] <drcoded> what is shorewall?
[04:52] <liable> scott_: discover.conf 'skip sony_acpi'
[04:53] <elcu> herjan: if possible, you should always install via synaptic (or apt-get if you like commands).  it's *much* easier and you'll run into less trouble.
[04:53] <Xappe> drcoded: a frontend for iptables
[04:53] <SysFail> I use IPCop
[04:53] <liable> scott_: hotplug has a blacklist file
[04:53] <drcoded> I can install it with apt-get?
[04:53] <SysFail> its easy
[04:53] <green_earz> drcoded: have a look at shorewall to setup a gateway
[04:53] <drcoded> K
[04:53] <drcoded> I install it
[04:53] <gnuts> hi, I need a little noob help too
[04:53] <liable> scott_: rmmod it, and unplug ac, see what happens
[04:54] <elcu> gnuts: what's your question?
[04:54] <drcoded> k
[04:54] <drcoded> I have intstall it , now I need to edit it
[04:54] <Valentin-> is it possible to create a new categorie under applications?
[04:54] <gnuts> i've got an ndiswrapper Q. compiled 1.2rc1 from source, installed driver, light comes on, net applet detects networs but i can't get connected to any
[04:54] <gnuts> iwcofig gives:Warning: Driver for device wlan0 recommend version 18 of Wireless Extension,but has been compiled with version 17, therefore some driver features
[04:54] <gnuts> may not be available
[04:55] <drcoded> how I start shoewall?
[04:56] <liable> scott_: pcc-acpi too, dont know why the hell they are loaded in the first place
[04:56] <SysFail> you mean...how do I google shorewall i think
[04:56] <SysFail> heh
[04:56] <whiteknight> gnuts, why didn't you use the ubuntu binary?
[04:56] <gnuts> tried it with no success, tried a couple of times
[04:56] <drcoded> I config it
[04:56] <drcoded> I on;y want to start it
[04:56] <liable> scott_: t42 you say?
[04:56] <green_earz> drcoded: have a read of its doc and gateway box is quite a job
[04:56] <whiteknight> gnuts, basically ubuntu's wireless extension is v17
[04:56] <SysFail> type shore <tab> <tab>
[04:57] <SysFail> see what comes up
[04:57] <gnuts> thought it may have been my fault. I could start over again
[04:57] <SysFail> but IPCop would be 100 times easier
[04:57] <whiteknight> gnuts, i recommend you use the ndiswrapper that ubuntu supply
[04:57] <gnuts> ok, so completely remove it all and start over?
[04:58] <whiteknight> gnuts, it is compiled specially for the kernel and you would avoid these sorts of problems
[04:58] <drcoded> thanx
[04:58] <drcoded> I will check it
[04:58] <whiteknight> gnuts, no, just apt-get install ndiswrapper-utils
[04:58] <gnuts> oh, i did that, just the ndiswrapper source from tar
[04:59] <green_earz> drcoded: and check out > http://www.shorewall.net/
[05:00] <sorin> hi
[05:00] <sorin> how do i tell grub to load the menu instead of the command line?
[05:00] <whiteknight> gnuts, hoary or warty?
[05:00] <sorin> grub displays the grub prompt instead of the menu
[05:00] <gnuts> whiteknight, hoary
[05:00] <liable> sorin: you need to apt-get install gdm
[05:01] <sorin> i can load it with the configfile command
[05:01] <whiteknight> gnuts, so let me get this straight you are using the prerelease 1.2-rc1
[05:01] <whiteknight> gnuts, i recommend you use the stable 1.1 version firstly
[05:01] <sorin> what does grub have to do with gdm?
[05:01] <liable> sorin: you can actually boot the system?
[05:01] <gnuts> whiteknight, of the ndiswrapper-source, yes
[05:02] <gnuts> got n-utils using synaptic
[05:02] <liable> sorin: reinstall grub pointing it to the right partition
[05:03] <sorin> its installed
[05:03] <sorin> and i can boot
[05:03] <gnuts> whiteknight,ok, so remove all the ndiswrapper stuff and reinstll using synaptic?
[05:03] <whiteknight> gnuts, yup
[05:03] <sorin> i had to reinstall it since windows overwrote it
[05:03] <decon> anyone have the new mplayer pre7 wokring in ubuntu 5.04?
[05:04] <sorin> but dow do i make it load the menu by default instead of the command line
[05:04] <green_earz> sorin: here the grub manual its could be use full > http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#Device%20map
[05:04] <liable> sorin: so, rerun grub, and point it to the right partition
[05:04] <sorin> i can load it with the configfile
[05:04] <sorin> it points to the right partition
[05:04] <gnuts> whiteknight, can you tell me a short and easy way to remove it all?
[05:05] <whiteknight> gnuts, what exactly do you want to remove?
[05:05] <herjan> i have download a game in deb file. how can i install him?
[05:05] <whiteknight> gnuts, if you compiled something, then run make uninstall in the source directory
[05:05] <whiteknight> gnuts, and then rm -r directory
[05:05] <gnuts> whiteknight, well, what do i need to remove to start over?
[05:06] <whiteknight> gnuts, if you have used synaptic then don't worry, it'll have overwritten it
[05:06] <herjan> i have download a game in deb file. how can i install him?
[05:06] <elcu> herjan: dpkg -i <filename>
[05:06] <herjan> thnx
[05:06] <whiteknight> gnuts, to check, try in the console/terminal ndiswrapper --version
[05:06] <knapjack> /part
[05:06] <gnuts> whitknight, wil it overwrite the 1.2rc1 version i compiled from source?
[05:07] <whiteknight> gnuts, yeah it should od
[05:07] <whiteknight> gnuts, *do
[05:07] <whiteknight> gnuts, check with ndiswrapper --version
[05:07] <whiteknight> gnuts, oh this should help http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SetupNdiswrapperHowto
[05:07] <EddieX> Anyone using anjuta here?
[05:07] <gnuts> whiteknight, ok, thanks a bunch i'm gonna go give it a shot.
[05:07] <whiteknight> gnuts, though don't do the compiling from source bit, the binaries are much better
[05:07] <whiteknight> gnuts, no worries
[05:08] <herjan> elcu can i go prive with you?
[05:09] <elcu> sure
[05:10] <tsume_> so.. does ubuntu work well on servers?
[05:10] <decon> Does anyone know how to Mount .cue files in linux ???
[05:10] <herjan> elcu i must typ it in that alt-F2 window?
[05:11] <tsume_> decon: you don't mount cue files
[05:11] <decon> tsume_, what do I do then ?
[05:11] <tsume_> decon: google for.. I think.. "cue bin linux convert"
[05:11] <elcu> eh?
[05:11] <tsume_> decon: you must convert the bin and cue first I think.
[05:11] <decon> tsume_, hmm :-/
[05:11] <tsume_> I usually convert them to ISO first
[05:12] <Jimmothy-> i hear people go for debian stable and freebsd for servers, but i don't know much
[05:12] <elcu> EddieX: just ask your question.  at the very least, i could help google :)
[05:12] <herjan> elcu,what and where i must typ it?
[05:12] <tsume_> Jimmothy-: debian uses old/outdated(they call it stable) software
[05:12] <sig> Jimmothy: you can safely use ubuntu as a server
[05:12] <elcu> herjan: type what?  the dpkg command?
[05:12] <Quinn_Storm> I'm running debian sid on my server & kubuntu on my desktop
[05:12] <tsume_> Jimmothy-: I need software with people which cares about updated software and not using kernel 2.2 for 2 years straight
[05:13] <tsume_> maybe its just best I use ubuntu then.
[05:13] <tsume_> hmmm
[05:13] <herjan> elcu,yes
[05:13] <elcu> herjan: in a terminal.  applications -> system tools -> terminal
[05:13] <tsume_> I like freebsd lots, but wish to see how linux acts under pressure
[05:13] <elcu> herjan: you need to change to the directory that has the deb file.
[05:13] <^vir^> debian releases are slow where as ubuntu push the latest & greatest every 6 months isn't it
[05:14] <Quinn_Storm> tsume_: freebsd is nice (had troubles with hardware support myself & don't like recompiling stuff myself all that much) but I far prefer debian-based linux distros in general...as I said, kubuntu desktop & debian sid server...haven't had trouble so far
[05:15] <^vir^> tsume_,  macromedia made coldfusion server run on nix so should be pretty good
[05:15] <tsume_> Quinn_Storm: I'm a security horror :) I do favor security
[05:15] <EddieX> elcu, Ok, well when i open a sourcefile i get a "green" line in the text, cant move it or anything.
[05:15] <tsume_> Quinn_Storm: I guess I could apply se patches
[05:15] <EddieX> elcu, It is vertical
[05:15] <^vir^> Quinn_Storm,  don't you find kde crashes alot
[05:15] <elcu> EddieX: screenshot?
[05:15] <EddieX> ok w8
[05:16] <tsume_> ^vir^: CF is _evil_
[05:16] <Quinn_Storm> ^vir^: nope
[05:16] <Quinn_Storm> ^vir^: haven't had kde crash at all really, now matrox drivers sometimes crash on openGL stuff but thats a driver thing not a kde thing, and it would happen under gnome too
[05:16] <^vir^> cf is getting better i'm just about to teach myself
[05:16] <tsume_> ^vir^: i'm sorry for you
[05:17] <^vir^> tsume_,  the fastest web server zeus runs on linux
[05:18] <EddieX> elcu, http://skurt.mine.nu/web/eddie/anjuta.png should do it
[05:18] <tsume_> ^vir^: and yet the most popular is Apache ;)
[05:18] <^vir^> amd use suse enterprise 9 i think
[05:18] <elcu> EddieX: yeah, something seems wrong with my xchat
[05:18] <elcu> thanks
[05:18] <EddieX> :)
[05:18] <tsume_> ^vir^: where there are more users, there is better support
[05:18] <EddieX> I must say that anjuta is very nice :) Im used to a simple editor + terminal but this is great hehe
[05:18] <^vir^> apache isn't as popular as zeus in the corporate world
[05:19] <Quinn_Storm> yep I'd call that a green line
[05:19] <elcu> EddieX: ok.  that is weird.
[05:19] <^vir^> thats true but rhel will make drivers if you can't find one
[05:19] <tsume_> ^vir^: I'm not talking about the corps which have morons behind the IT department :)
[05:19] <EddieX> elcu, Yep it is very weird, it occured when i changed the color on the double quoted strings in setup
[05:20] <Quinn_Storm> ^vir^: you say kde crashes a lot, what is the most recent version you've seen do this?
[05:20] <elcu> EddieX: Settings->preferences->Editor->Column at edge indicator = 0
[05:20] <EddieX> ok will check that
[05:20] <elcu> =) told you i was good at googling: http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_id=7092&max_rows=25&style=nested&viewmonth=200308
[05:21] <liable> holy shit
[05:21] <^vir^> well Quinn_Storm  i installed ubuntu & then used apt-get install kubuntu-desktop  so probaly the most recent
[05:21] <Quinn_Storm> ^vir^: ok, what caused the kde crash & how long ago was it?
[05:22] <EddieX> elcu, That did it :) Thanks!
[05:22] <elcu> EddieX: you are lucky though, google only returned that one result.
[05:22] <^vir^> about a week ago & it was konquor crashing it
[05:22] <elcu> =) np
[05:22] <tsume_> what they call "enterprise" is trash. Any OS, any distro, any product is just as qualified to be Enterprise material
[05:22] <EddieX> elcu, :) Hehe im lucky
[05:22] <elcu> EddieX: you should buy a lottery ticket.
[05:23] <tsume_> its all about support, which usually every product has.
[05:23] <^vir^> tsume_,  isn't netbsd more secure than freebsd?
[05:23] <Raskall> liable: as soon as I installed and started cpufreqd it seems it got a lot better. the temp won't go over 70 now and was never under 75 earlier.
[05:23] <EddieX> elcu, Hmm nah, my head is fucked up today, i would not be able to do that ;)
[05:23] <EddieX> ^vir^, It is up to you :)
[05:23] <Quinn_Storm> ^vir^: ok, konqueror crashed all of kde? like took the whole X server down? or just like konqueror? and what were you looking at? if you installed the open-source flash plugin (as opposed to the macromedia one) it is well known that almost any flash movie will crash it...
[05:23] <tsume_> ^vir^: they share the same codebase, the main difference is the threading, package management, and a few tools. Also the firewalls(they are the same, but they modify each to what they want)
[05:23] <elcu> EddieX: happy programming
[05:24] <EddieX> elcu, Will do
[05:24] <tsume_> ^vir^: scheduling in FreeBSD is trash right now
[05:24] <liable> Raskall: cat /proc/cpuinfo   will tell you your currnet speed
[05:24] <tsume_> ^vir^: the SCHED_ULE isnt finished, so its slow.. :(
[05:24] <EddieX> elcu, Hehe, im new to these IDE stuff, when i have alot of files it is handy i guess :)
[05:24] <tsume_> which is another reason why I don't want freebsd on the server
[05:24] <Raskall> liable: I know. its only 1.2GHz. But rather a stable system at 1.2GHz than an unstable at 2.
[05:24] <herjan> hello why i can't install with dpkg==
[05:25] <liable> Raskall: 70 is still too hot
[05:25] <^vir^> Quinn_Storm,  it was konqueror that crashed not kde itself
[05:25] <Mr_T> Raskall, how do you use cpufreqd?
[05:25] <Strog> tsume_: The codebase was mostly the same a decade ago. A lot has changed since then. ;-)
[05:25] <EddieX> elcu, Are you familiar with SDL ?
[05:25] <tsume_> the freebsd 5.x series is "stable" but its _definitely_ not ready for production
[05:25] <^vir^> tsume_, you seem to love unix :)
[05:25] <elcu> EddieX: er, what does it stand for?
[05:25] <tsume_> Strog: yes, much has changed, but they are still arguing over silly things
[05:25] <liable> Raskall: desktop? would check for fan fluff
[05:25] <Anlar> if frisbee just had hardware support too..
[05:25] <Raskall> Mr_T: I apt-geted it, set proc-sped on ac to low and started it.
[05:25] <Quinn_Storm> ^vir^: ok, if konq crashed, you may have been using something like that flashplugin...I can see konqueror crashing sometimes under those conditions...
[05:25] <tsume_> ^vir^: I bleed digicode! :)
[05:25] <EddieX> elcu, Simple Direct media layer or something :)
[05:25] <Hannes_> uhm
[05:26] <Raskall> liable: the temp is dropping. down to 61 now, actually.
[05:26] <herjan> i wanna install but he said to install you must be a admin what i can do
[05:26] <elcu> EddieX: heh, obviously not. =)
[05:26] <Mr_T> my laptop runs at about 41 usually
[05:26] <liable> Raskall: never go over about 40 here
[05:26] <Raskall> liable: 70 was while running vmware with heavy disk activity. that alwasy got the cpu over 90 before.
[05:26] <^vir^> tsume_,  what do think of sun letting people install solaris 10 for free?
[05:26] <EddieX> elcu, ok :) OpenGL is fun, very fun to test your knowledge of linear algebra etc :)
[05:26] <Quinn_Storm> SDL is a good way to go for stuff like input & events & then you use OGL on top of it (I have a friend who's obsessed with get-rich-quick through game programming)
[05:26] <tsume_> Strog: the bsd teams don't even look like they are trying to be friendly with one another
[05:26] <Raskall> liable: but I bet you don't have a pentium 4 in you laptop. :)
[05:26] <herjan> hello can somebody help me=
[05:27] <tsume_> ^vir^: they open sourced it, it was the right move(tm)
[05:27] <herjan> with ubuntu
[05:27] <liable> Raskall: granted M
[05:27] <elcu> EddieX: yeah, i'm finding it a little tough though.
[05:27] <pegazus> Need help with ftp server please
[05:27] <Raskall> liable: yup. the temp issue is why they stopped using p4's in laptops.
[05:27] <tsume_> ^vir^: now if Sun would GPL thier java vm
[05:27] <liable> Raskall: I bet your battery doesnt last as long as mine :)
[05:27] <EddieX> elcu, Have you checked out nehe's tuturials?
[05:27] <Raskall> liable: I get a good hour out of it.. :)
[05:27] <elcu> EddieX: web resource?
[05:28] <herjan> elcu, you say that i must typ dpkg ` file` but he said you must be a admin to install what can i do=
[05:28] <EddieX> nehe.gamedev.net i think
[05:28] <liable> Raskall: hah ppfffffffft
[05:28] <ruukia> those nehe tutorials ate a lot of my time :)
[05:28] <tsume_> Strog: when did you get in liking ubuntu strange one?
[05:29] <^vir^> tsume_, java is what is holding the company together jsp offers the best support for xml which is leading the way for web dev stuff
[05:29] <Raskall> liable: hehe.. I know. But I got it for free, so I'll live with it until my business starts taking off. (going to sell ubuntu servers with configured firewall, spam-/virus-filtering mailserver, samba and webserver to small companies.
[05:29] <ringmauer> Ive just installed some libs with the command  sudo apt-get install libgtk2.0-dev libgtkmm-2.4-dev libglademm-2.4-dev zlib1g-dev libbz2-dev g++-3.4 libgtk2.0-0 libgtk2.0-bin libgtk2.0-common libgtkmm-2.4-1 libglademm-2.4-1 scons              now i want to remove them, what shold i write?
[05:29] <Strog> tsume_: Checking it out. Linux and BSD each has its uses and it's good to have both around. :)
[05:29] <tsume_> ^vir^: I really doubt java has the best xml
[05:29] <elcu> EddieX: thanks i'll check it out. this viewports and aspect ratio is confusing me :)
[05:29] <tsume_> ^vir^: libxml2 is the best out there ;)
[05:29] <EddieX> ringmauer, for the libgtk stuff you could write apt-get remove --purge libgtk2*
[05:29] <Absenth> Morning all
[05:30] <tsume_> Strog: yes it is. Especially for vmware5 ;)
[05:30] <EddieX> elcu, :) I love his tuturials
[05:30] <^vir^> herjan,  sudo dpkg
[05:30] <universal> delete in synaptic
[05:30] <pegazus> Need help with ftp server please
[05:30] <ruukia> is anyone other than me having a problem where ubuntu hoary hangs on restart ?
[05:30] <elcu> herjan: do "sudo dpkg -i <filename>".  the sudo stands for superuser do.  you need to have your root user password handy.
[05:30] <tsume_> Strog: download 5 and install win2k(best supported :/ )
[05:30] <tsume_> Strog: the features are nice :)
[05:30] <Absenth> Hey, I don't suppose anyone knows of a 3 dimentional window manager for linux
[05:30] <Quinn_Storm> elcu: not the root, the user pw
[05:30] <XplOzIon> ruukia, nope, maybe theres a problem in ur xorg.config
[05:30] <ruukia> hmm
[05:31] <ruukia> i haven't touched it myself..
[05:31] <tsume_> Strog: I've always liked the way deb systems are packaged, but hated debian for the _OLD_ software
[05:31] <tsume_> Strog: Nero for Linux as well btw ;)
[05:31] <XplOzIon> Absenth, windows manager? you mean like the future of fedora 4?
[05:31] <pegazus> Need help with ftp server please
[05:31] <XplOzIon> ruukia, where does it hangs?
[05:32] <eqlb03> hi try to installs vmware but it complains i dont have the command "my"...which package has that please
[05:32] <ruukia> well when I go are you sure you want to logoff --> restart the computer ... it kills some processes then just a black screen follows
[05:32] <Raskall> liable: you wouldn't have a good pointer to how I can set up other power saving things, such as spinning down disks, dimming display and stuff?
[05:33] <^vir^> pegazus, use pure-ftpd wheh you go to install a ftpd cos wu-ftpd is badly bug ridden thats the server they were running when redmond get hacked & the w2k source code made it onto the net
[05:33] <liable> Raskall: whats the lappie?
[05:33] <decon> 3d desktop :P (?)
[05:33] <Raskall> liable: ibm thinkpad a31/p
[05:33] <^vir^> tsume_, whats your fave desktop envionment would you say?
[05:33] <Raskall> hey.. temp under 60 degrees.. thats a first. :)
[05:33] <tsume_> ^vir^: gnome
[05:33] <liable> Raskall: oohh, lucky, I have a thinkpad warming my bollocks now :)
[05:34] <tsume_> ^vir^: its light compared to kde, and more stable
[05:34] <pegazus> vir it is with no-ip 2 my server is on but i think that my router is blocking it
[05:34] <tsume_> unfortunately
[05:34] <XplOzIon> hmm, let me seting my apache to server a video of a desktop manager (or however its called) that is full 3D
[05:34] <liable> Raskall: apt-get install laptop-mode-tools     to start with
[05:34] <curry_> menu-editor not works File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/xdg/Menu.py", line 768, in __mergeFile    raise ParsingError('Not a valid .menu file', file)
[05:34] <curry_> xdg.Exceptions.ParsingError: ParsingError in file '/etc/xdg/menus/debian-menu.menu', Not a valid .menu file someone a idea
[05:34] <gbhat> hi ppl
[05:34] <tsume_> KDE looks nice :( it likes breaking
[05:34] <Raskall> liable: I love thinkpads. I wanted one of the t23-computers when I quit my job, but got this one instead. They didn't have any t-models available.
[05:34] <tsume_> artsd is a joke.. thats one main reason. I don't care how many times they rewrite it
[05:34] <gbhat> tsume_, tried the latest KDe3.4 with shadows and translucencyt\?
[05:35] <Raskall> liable: that's done.
[05:35] <tsume_> gbhat: yes, wasn't exciting
[05:35] <liable> Raskall: how old is that, cant say ive heard of a31
[05:35] <gbhat> tsume_, try using GNOME with that :d
[05:35] <decon> can someone please tell me how bchunk works :S? I just want to convert a .cue file to a iso file :)?
[05:35] <^vir^> kde is nice due to qt & seems to run faster
[05:35] <ruukia> :( guess there is no solution to my hangs-on-restart problem ...
[05:35] <gbhat> crash burn hang
[05:35] <Raskall> liable: guess it's >2 years old. at least.
[05:35] <liable> Raskall: does it show in your acpi logs when you unplug ac
[05:35] <gbhat> ruukia, where does it hang?
[05:35] <XplOzIon> ruukia well when I go are you sure you want to logoff --> restart the computer ... it kills some processes then just a black screen follows
[05:36] <green_earz> pegazus; have you portforward from the router to the ftp server port ?
[05:36] <eqlb03> what ever happened to windows nt they use to have for unix :)
[05:36] <XplOzIon> gbhat, there
[05:36] <XplOzIon> :)
[05:36] <ruukia> :)
[05:36] <gbhat> :)
[05:36] <gbhat> hee hee
[05:36] <^vir^> couldn't pegazus  try nmap?
[05:36] <gbhat> see? there it hanged now.
[05:36] <Raskall> liable: yes. it runs /etc/acpi/power.sh when unplugging.
[05:36] <green_earz> pegazus; is the router nat/firewall ?
[05:37] <superted> i've installed windows after ubuntu, how can I install grub on the mbr again_
[05:37] <gbhat> is acpi a kernel problem or do vendots have faulty implementations of it?
[05:37] <pegazus> green...I have spoken to Linksys tech...he help me with that but no can do it does not work
[05:37] <gbhat> vendors*
[05:37] <liable> Raskall: well, it should start laptop mode when you unplug, whats the script say
[05:37] <^vir^> pegazus, can you connect to the ftp localy?
[05:38] <pegazus> green... yes firewall
[05:38] <eqlb03> have problems with a router like what happens the dns things keeps locking or something?
[05:38] <pegazus> vir,,, yes tith the ip of the computer
[05:38] <Florob> Does anybody know how you can connect remotely to a ubuntu machines's X server? (just doesn't work for me, it even complains when I locally set DISPLAY=localhost:0.0)
[05:38] <pegazus> with
[05:38] <Raskall> liable: it starts laptop-mode.
[05:38] <green_earz> pegazus: so have a look for the option of port forwarding on the router
[05:38] <elcu> superted: http://ubuntuguide.org/4.10/index.html#restoregrubmenuafterwindowsinstallation
[05:39] <Raskall> liable: an stops it when I plug the power in again.
[05:39] <pegazus> green... yes
[05:39] <elcu> superted: or just http://ubuntuguide.org/#restoregrubmenuafterwindowsinstallation
[05:39] <superted> elcu: thanks
[05:40] <liable> Raskall: does your disk spin down? I had to add 'noatime' to my fstab otherwise klogd would keep it going
[05:40] <Raskall> liable: nope.. it doesn't spin disks down at all.
[05:41] <Raskall> liable: do I have to add noatime at all the partitions on the disk in fstab?
[05:41] <liable> Raskall: go to the sourceforge site theres a script you can run to check it, or download the ibm-acpi source and its in the readme
[05:41] <curry_> gnome menu-editor dont start on a system upgradet from warthy to hoary, on another machine with a new hoary installation it works? someone a idea?
[05:41] <Raskall> liable: what project on sf.net?
[05:42] <liable> Raskall: even though hdd prolly use fuck all power anyway
[05:42] <Valentin-> how do I execute startup.sh of tomcat?
[05:42] <liable> Raskall: ibm-acpi
[05:42] <Raskall> liable: ok.. thanks..
[05:42] <green_earz> pegazus: and have you got that port i thinks its port 21 pointed to your ftp server, and its best if you can have the ftp server on a static ip
[05:43] <XplOzIon> 3D Desktop here (or however you call this) http://200.90.123.1/WobblyWindows.avi Looks pretty awsome
[05:43] <liable> Raskall: your graphics card may be able to be set into powersave too, but you need xorg I think and havent played with it
[05:43] <eqlb03> so what package has the "my" command?
[05:44] <Raskall> liable: running hoary. that has xorg by default
[05:44] <Tomcat_> eqlb03: dpkg -S `whereis my`
[05:44] <liable> Raskall: running debian, it doesnt
[05:44] <pegazus> green: port 21 is pointed and static ip to - to 192.168.1.10 so it can reache all
[05:44] <XplOzIon> what your opinion about the desktop?? anyone
[05:45] <Raskall> liable: I know. xorg was one of the reasons I "upgraded" from sarge to ubuntu.
[05:45] <XplOzIon> oh yeah my upstreams is slow so... be patien =P
[05:45] <eqlb03> tomcat: command not found :(
[05:45] <green_earz> pegazus: can you ftp locally to the server ? from another box on your local net work ?
[05:45] <Raskall> liable: the ibm_acpi module is actually loaded.
[05:46] <valarmorgh> i'm trying to compile ckermit (package doesnt have SSL capabilities), but i get error ncurses.h file not found ... any ideas? :)
[05:46] <Tomcat_> eqlb03: dpkg, whereis or my?
[05:46] <pegazus> yes if i type in 192.168.1.10 but not if i type in pegazus.no-ip.com
[05:46] <liable> Raskall: yep, but there is some info in the source tarball you dont get in the kernel docs
[05:46] <herrie-aab> hello. can somebody help me? i have some file and the name is craft what must i type to install it?
[05:46] <liable> Raskall: the readme
[05:46] <gahan> where do i get xorgsetup/
[05:46] <eqlb03> tomcat: opps i meant the my command
[05:47] <herrie-aab> hello. can somebody help me? i have some file and the name is craft what must i type to install it?
[05:47] <Tomcat_> eqlb03: Oh... I thought you had it installed. No idea what package has that command.
[05:47] <eqlb03> tomcat: no problem..
[05:47] <blademike> cool! at last im in!
[05:47] <ruukia> I need help ... ubuntu isn't restarting properly on my laptop .. screen goes blank and the machine is left running :(
[05:47] <valarmorgh> apt-get just says that package ncurses is notavailable, but other packages refer to it so its probably missing
[05:47] <elcu> herrie-aab: what does "file craft" say when you type it in a terminal?
[05:48] <eqlb03> ruukia: tyy changing the resolution by doing alt+crtl+ - or +
[05:48] <XplOzIon> did anyone saw http://200.90.123.1/WobblyWindows.avi ??
[05:49] <Hannes_> hmm
[05:49] <ruukia> eqlb03: ok i'll try it but my resolution is fine at 1024X768 ..
[05:49] <blademike> hi guys, does the single ubuntu installation cd provides pppoe dialer? is it dsl-ready? im using a dsl modem, not a router
[05:49] <sig> XplOzIon: what is it?
[05:49] <eqlb03> ruukia: wierd then i guess ..maybe that wont work..
[05:49] <sig> blademike: should be, are you using gnome?
[05:49] <Raskall> liable: ok.. Will dig into it.. thanks for your help. :)
[05:50] <ruukia> eqlb03: ya .. alt+ctrl++- not working for me
[05:50] <XplOzIon> sig, some desktop manager or however you call it (like gnome) made by sun
[05:50] <liable> Raskall: actually, looking through my ibm-acpi source folder, me thinks i'm wrong and may have been in the laptop-mode source from sourceforge
[05:50] <sig> system > administration > networking blademike
[05:50] <blademike> sig, mandrake,gnome,kde.i'm having problem to set up dsl
[05:50] <sig> blade I'm talking in gnome
[05:50] <sig> system --> administration --> networking
[05:51] <njan> blademike, what sort of DSL modem do you have?
[05:51] <XplOzIon> sig, seen it already?
[05:51] <eqlb03> man when is the back ports going to be up offically :)
[05:51] <Hannes_> how do I change sound output in totem-xine
[05:51] <sig> XplOzIon: that is kind of cool
[05:51] <blademike> aztech DSL 305E
[05:51] <njan> blademike, USB?
[05:51] <Hannes_> as it outputs the sound to the wrong sound card
[05:52] <blademike> nope ethernet
[05:52] <sig> blademike: follow my instructions
[05:52] <AceMan> can somebody tell me what is backports?
[05:52] <Hannes_> gnome sounds are working just fine
[05:52] <blademike> sig. im not on my mandrake now. sorry
[05:52] <njan> blademike, in which case, shouldn't the modem do PPPoE for you?
[05:52] <Kartagis> does anyone have any idea why either rhythmbox or dc++ doesn't add directories recursively?
[05:52] <XplOzIon> AceMan, backports: repositories mirror
[05:52] <sig> this isn't #mandrake blademike
[05:52] <AceMan> thx. what does it contain?
[05:52] <pegazus> green : wath do think is the probleme
[05:52] <liable> Raskall: am confused as I have used the source and kernel options for both and my beer soaked brain cant remember where it was, but there is a script that will tell you what is using your hdd, and im sure you fix it with 'noatime' option
[05:52] <XplOzIon> AceMan, packages
[05:53] <njan> blademike, you should just have to configure it via a web interface.. the network interface you plug your computer in should be OS/configuration-neutral, you most likely acquire a private IP address off it..
[05:53] <blademike> sig, sorry im new to this server. found it out from ubuntu's site! sorry
[05:53] <blademike> njan, can i pm you?
[05:53] <sig> blademike: here on freenode there is basically a channel for each distro and app
[05:53] <njan> http://www.aztech.com/DSL-305E.htm <= blademike, yup, it's definitely OS-neutral
[05:53] <sig> like #gnome, #kde, #debian etc....
[05:54] <AceMan> sorry, i meant what kind? how is different to the other repos?
[05:54] <njan> blademike, if it's configured so it worked for you in windows, it will work in linux, you just need to plug your machine into it via crossover / via a switch / with a network card that supports MDI/X, and enable DHCP
[05:54] <njan> blademike, I have an ADSL router with an identical (conexant) chipset..
[05:54] <blademike> sig, okay, thans
[05:54] <blademike> *thanks
[05:54] <njan> blademike, sure, pm me if you want ;)
[05:55] <decon> anyone knows how to use bchunk ?!?!
[05:55] <mishof> is there a way to change the console's font ?
[05:56] <sig> mishof: yes
[05:56] <elcu> miscz: edit -> current profile
[05:56] <elcu> *mishof
[05:57] <liable> sig: very comprehensive answer :)
[05:57] <sig> liable: heh
[05:57] <mishof> oops i didnt notice there is a font menu there :P
[05:57] <green_earz> pegazus: have a look at  http://www.no-ip.com/tips.php/id/3 > look at  > Setting up the update client
[05:58] <pegazus> green: I will look at that ty
[05:59] <gahan> multimedia keyboard is supported?
[05:59] <gahan> i got nice buttons
[05:59] <green_earz> pegazus: thats where the problem is i bet. and i prefer proftpd as a ftp server
[05:59] <elcu> gahan: somewhat
[05:59] <herrie-aab> eclu, i have tried it but he said he can't find the archive what can i do?
[05:59] <gahan> elcu: how?
[06:00] <gbhat> I hate Totem
[06:00] <elcu> gahan: i can't seem to get some of my buttons to work
[06:00] <gbhat> how the heck do I get rid of it in Ubuntu?
[06:00] <elcu> herrie-aab: what did "file craft" return?
[06:00] <gahan> elcu: can you volume up/down, next/prev track, stop/play, run webrowser?
[06:00] <herrie-aab> the file's name is craft
[06:00] <Amaranth> my multimedia keyboard doesn't work
[06:01] <Amaranth> mute types a v
[06:01] <elcu> gahan: yes, but you have to select the media player first before using the buttons.
[06:01] <gahan> elcu: how do i get any to work?
[06:01] <mishof> HAHA i made my console green on black, now im a true hax0r!!!!! >8)
[06:01] <gahan> elcu: kcontrol..or kernel module?
[06:01] <Choubaka> mishof: gah :D
[06:01] <Choubaka> you mean the vga console or just konsole?
[06:01] <elcu> gahan: computer -> desktop prefs ->k/board shortcuts
[06:01] <gbhat> mishof, all you need now is a Matrix screensaver :)
[06:01] <Choubaka> or whatever. :)
[06:02] <mirak> hi
[06:02] <gbhat> hi Amaranth
[06:02] <herrie-aab> but witch command i can use .. elcu??
[06:02] <gahan> elcu: i aint got computer on desktop (how to activate dekstop icons btw?)
[06:02] <mirak> is there voip pc to pc applications in gnome ?
[06:02] <elcu> herrie-aab: open a terminal, change to the directory the file is in, and type in: file craft
[06:02] <nishin> mirak, gnome-meeting?
[06:03] <gbhat> will gnome-meeting do voip/
[06:03] <elcu> gahan: i meant the menu on the top of the screen
[06:03] <mirak> nishin: I am trying it, I wanted to know if that's the best
[06:03] <elcu> gahan: but im using warty so it may be different for you.  just look for keyboard shortcuts.
[06:03] <mirak> nishin: it crashed
[06:03] <nishin> I wouldn't know. It's only h323 :/
[06:04] <gbhat> mirak, tried skype?
[06:05] <gahan> elcu: and where is volume up down, next/prev track there? :>
[06:06] <nishin> anyone know when the next unstable is coming up?
[06:07] <xMaximex> I want to remove the games installed with ubuntu .. but synaptic tells me that he will remove ubuntu-desktop... is it safe to remove this package ?
[06:07] <eqlb03> wierd...found the problem i guess ... i have to run perl then the perl script not sh ...hmm
[06:07] <elcu> gahan: one sec
[06:08] <whiteknight> xMaximex, i don't think ubuntu-desktop does anything
[06:08] <elcu> gahan: http://img167.echo.cx/img167/6442/screenshot7zw.png
[06:08] <herrie-aab> hello i wanna install a file named freebirth.. witch commando i can use? to install it? it's a deb file
[06:09] <elcu> herrie-aab: use synaptic.  it's easier
[06:09] <herrie-aab> yes but when i use it... he gives a error
[06:09] <elcu> which is?
[06:09] <gahan> elcu: nice, thx
[06:10] <xMaximex> ok ... you're not sure ?&
[06:10] <sikor_sxe> is there a firefox 1.0.3 ubuntu package yet?
[06:10] <sikor_sxe> hoary
[06:10] <Ben2004uk> does anyone have an example of a large routing table - not just 1 pc > router - sometthing more complex as i need it for my course reivison
[06:10] <sikor_sxe> or do i miss a repository?
[06:10] <whiteknight> xMaximex, It is safe to remove this package if some of the desktop system
[06:10] <whiteknight> packages are not desired.  However, it is recommended that you keep
[06:10] <whiteknight> it installed, because it is used to carry out certain upgrade
[06:10] <whiteknight> transitions (such as adding new packages to the system).
[06:11] <whiteknight> xMaximex, thats what synaptic says
[06:11] <elcu> xMaximex: http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:PLmPrVxEUNsJ:www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php%3Ft%3D21120%26goto%3Dnextnewest+%22remove+ubuntu-desktop%22&hl=en
[06:12] <herrie-aab> elcu, line one is to long in the selectionfile
[06:12] <mainer> sikor:no,but debian has it
[06:12] <mirak> gbhat: nope
[06:13] <elcu> herrie-aab: hoary or warty?
[06:13] <herrie-aab> what? my english is not so good elcu
[06:14] <redduck666> i am using ubuntu live cd, how can i change my keyboard layout?
[06:15] <elcu> :) what version of ubuntu are you running?  warty warthog (4.10), or hoary hedgehog (5.04)?
[06:15] <k4rl> redduck: try system->preferences->keyboard
[06:15] <gbhat> anyone here has breezy badger installed?
[06:15] <blueyed> gbhat, me.
[06:15] <raydogg> what utility should I use to partition a disk ?
[06:15] <herrie-aab> elcu, where i can see it?
[06:16] <blueyed> raydogg, there is gparted - haven't tried it though.
[06:16] <nickrud> raydogg, cfdisk is is good tool
[06:16] <redduck666> karljp, thanks
[06:17] <raydogg> thx blueyed, nickrud
[06:18] <gahan> elcu: was that screenshot from kde?
[06:18] <karljp> hmm, in keyboard shortcuts, it says press backspace to clear something, but backspace jsut moves back up level
[06:18] <karljp> and delete doesn't work either.
[06:18] <elcu> gahan: gnome
[06:18] <gahan> elcu: i found keyboard shortcut but no sound related options there
[06:18] <gahan> aha
[06:19] <karljp> gahan: yes there is?
[06:19] <karljp> I have sound stuff there.
[06:19] <elcu> gahan: scroll down. :)
[06:19] <gahan> hmmmmmm
[06:20] <manou_> olivier_mu mala cosa ejecutar tu maquina como root
[06:20] <gahan> karljp: i dont have
[06:20] <manou_> alguien me puede decir que nucleo o sistema lleva al ubuntu para que reconozca todo tan guay!!! tengo una sarge y quiero poner un super nucleo como el de ubuntu
[06:20] <herrie-aab> elco.2.9.3
[06:21] <karljp> gahan: what top level commands do yo uhave?
[06:21] <gahan> navigation windows
[06:21] <manou_> sorry, that's english !!!
[06:21] <gahan> misc
[06:22] <manou_> i would like to know wich kernel ubuntu has because it's really fine for working with your hw, i want to install the same system in a sarge
[06:22] <karljp> the three top level windows trees I have are desktop, sound and window management
[06:22] <gahan> why can't i bind windowskey itself to show up kmenu
[06:22] <redduck666> manou_, uname -r
[06:22] <karljp> manou: 2.6.10, but it's the config
[06:22] <gahan> karljp: it is inside kcontrol?
[06:22] <karljp> kcontol?
[06:22] <karljp> are you on kubuntu?
[06:22] <gahan> yup
[06:22] <karljp> I've no idea about kubuntu sorry :)
[06:22] <gahan> hehe
[06:22] <manou_> yeah, what's about the config
[06:22] <elcu> herrie-aab: can you make a screenshot of the error, and upload it to: http://www.imageshack.ws/
[06:23] <herrie-aab> elcu, i have version 2.9.3 .
[06:23] <jd99> hey, has any1 tried running mysql 5 with ubuntu (hoary)?
[06:23] <manou_> me ? no, i'm here with a sarge and the system i want to setup a kernel similar to ubuntu it's a pii
[06:23] <mishof> how can i create a ssh server on my computer ?
[06:24] <gahan> is gnome better? :P
[06:24] <manou_> can i get the image from an ubuntu distro and use in other system ?
[06:24] <b2s> mishof: "apt-get install ssh-server" maybe?
[06:24] <manou_> ssh only
[06:24] <manou_> i think
[06:25] <redduck666> gahan, on kde vs gnome i'd choose xfce
[06:25] <gahan> hehe
[06:25] <b2s> redduck666: hehe, me too
[06:25] <Xappe> mishof: apt-get install openssh-server
[06:25] <mishof> Xappe, whats the diff (from ssh-server) ?
[06:25] <gahan> but i like konsole :P
[06:25] <jd99> openssh-server and ssh-server are the same
[06:26] <Zugot> i like kde
[06:26] <elcu> redduck666: does it have keyboard shortcuts?  i *need* them to switch workspaces.
[06:26] <redduck666> gahan, ?? 4 dasktops i tried kde, fluxbox, gnom and xfce have termina
[06:26] <manou_> with ssh i can access to ssh server and my i can access to my system from another machine also... why ssh-server ???
[06:26] <b2s> elcu: is ctl-alt-arrow good enough?
[06:27] <elcu> b2s: i guess. :)
[06:27] <gahan> redduck666: but konsole is best
[06:27] <elcu> gahan: IIRC, you can run konsole, or any KDE apps for that matter, in any WM.
[06:28] <gahan> mm
[06:28] <sikor_sxe> mainer: the debain unstable firefox packages won't work on hoary :(
[06:28] <manou_> i don't know how but lilo ask for me now a password !!!
[06:28] <redduck666> gahan, i am a n00b but how does konsole differ from other terminals?
[06:28] <manou_> i tried root passwd an ddoesn't work !!!
[06:28] <gahan> redduck666: tabs
[06:28] <manou_> what can i do !!!!
[06:28] <gahan> or cards..
[06:29] <Xenguy> manou_: you can stop 'over-puntuating' for one :-)
[06:29] <karljp> sikor_sxe: so why do you want to run the debian unstable firefox on hoary anyway?
[06:29] <redduck666> gahan, ??. gnome's termianl has tabs, probably xfces too
[06:29] <manou_> sorry ?
[06:29] <diod> Hi all
[06:29] <elcu> gahan: gnome-terminal has those.
[06:29] <redduck666> diod, hi
[06:29] <manou_> what do you want to mean? i'm not english spoken
[06:29] <Xenguy> manou_: !!!!
[06:29] <nickrud> sikor_sxe, mainer, ubuntu's firefox already has the important stuff from 1.0.3.
[06:30] <manou_> yeah ! thats me !!! xD
[06:30] <Valentin-> does anyone know why I can't access tomcat over eclipse?
[06:31] <Xenguy> manou_: did you edit/change the file /etc/lilo.conf ?
[06:31] <diod> I have a bizarre problem at the login screen : my keyboard layout is not recognized (us instead of fr) even if it's recognized afterwards
[06:31] <manou_> yes to access to the old kernel
[06:31] <redduck666> diod, which desktop you use?
[06:31] <manou_> maybe there were some passwd protection there, but i didn't know...
[06:32] <Xenguy> manou_: if you edit that file, can you search/find a reference to 'password' at all?
[06:32] <manou_> i can't access to the system now mate !!!
[06:32] <manou_> i dont have any cd
[06:32] <sikor_sxe> nickrud: no, it doesn't: http://www.mikx.de/firelinking/
[06:32] <manou_> and floppy doesn't want to run at started
[06:32] <manou_> i have change bios setup
[06:32] <sikor_sxe> at least the firefox exploit works on my machine
[06:33] <Xenguy> manou_: you need some kind of rescue disk/CD then I would think
[06:33] <manou_> i suposed that ... fuck !!!
[06:33] <herrie-aab> elcu i have hoary what i must do to install something with synaptic?
[06:33] <manou_> i dont live here but it's here my server !!!
[06:33] <Krys^> Can someone help me edit Grub ?? It's not letting me boot properly
[06:33] <nanophase> hi
[06:33] <manou_> shit !!!!
[06:33] <Xenguy> manou_: that's all I have to say; figure it out yourself
[06:33] <Xenguy> *plonk*
[06:33] <nanophase> anyone here with username > 8chars?
[06:33] <redduck666> Krys^, any errors?
[06:33] <nanophase> if so, what does `who` tell you
[06:33] <redduck666> nanophase, hi
[06:34] <nanophase> I only get the 1st 8 chars which is baad
[06:34] <nickrud> hm, since I don't run firefox, this still happens?
[06:34] <Krys^> redduck666, i'm not able to scroll down to click on winxp..
[06:34] <elcu> herrie-aab: (1)you need to do this first: http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[06:34] <nickrud> (epiphany)
[06:34] <Krys^> or a different ubuntu thingy
[06:34] <nickrud> (no chrome!)
[06:34] <usual> anyone using breezy?
[06:34] <Krys^> so I need to make winxp the default for now
[06:35] <diod> redduck666, I use the defautl one (Gnome)
[06:35] <equim--> I just installed ubuntu for the first time... everything seems fine except my screen resolution... it's on 640x480 @ 60hz and I can't seem to change it in system->preferences->screen resolution
[06:35] <redduck666> Krys^, start some text editor as root and open a file /boot/grub/grub.conf
[06:35] <Krys^> that file doesn't exist.. when I did.. it was a new document
[06:35] <blueyed> diod, are you using breezy already? (because of the keyboard mapping error)
[06:35] <RuKK> equim--, you will need to edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:36] <nanophase> hmm ok the acpi script is wrong in hoary. fuck. let's report it then..
[06:36] <redduck666> diod, click computer --> desktop preferences -->keyboard
[06:36] <elcu> herrie-aab: (2) open synaptic
[06:36] <elcu> herrie-aab: (3) click on search
[06:36] <elcu> herrie-aab: (4) type in "freebirth"
[06:36] <diod> blueyed, I'm using Hoary .. just installed it
[06:36] <elcu> herrie-aab: (5) right-click on it when found and mark it for installation
[06:36] <elcu> (6) click on apply
[06:37] <redduck666> Krys^, is there a file called menu.lst? i think it should be in /boot or /boot/grub?
[06:37] <Krys^> i've got that open, yes
[06:37] <equim--> ok.. I'm vi'ing /etc/X11/xorg.conf.. not sure what to change tho
[06:37] <diod> redduck666, I have french and american english set (with french up) .. shoud I remove the american one ?
[06:37] <RuKK> equim--, look at my PM, easier to help there.
[06:37] <redduck666> Krys^, now simply use copy/paste and swap linux and windows part of file
[06:38] <redduck666> diod, if you don't need it you can remove it
[06:38] <Krys^> there isn't a linux and windows part of file
[06:38] <redduck666> diod, if you need it you can move the one you want as default up
[06:38] <diod> redduck666, why is there no way to chose the kb layout at the login screen ?
[06:39] <blueyed> ok, so no clue, diod. sorry. apart from that you can use "loadkeys" after login.
[06:39] <redduck666> Krys^, you can always create one
[06:39] <Krys^> redduck666, I dont know how
[06:39] <redduck666> diod, what display manager you use?
[06:39] <blueyed> diod, forget about me.. I thought you've meant tty (e.g ctrl-alt-f1).
[06:39] <herrie-aab> how works synaptic? can somebody explain me?
[06:40] <blueyed> diod, you might want to try "sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales" or some similar package.
[06:40] <diod> redduck666, the default one : gdm I think ??
[06:40] <diod> redduck666 and blueyed, the odd thing is, afeter I log in, I have everything ok
[06:41] <elcu> herrie-aab: i just did.
[06:41] <monty38> hello all
[06:41] <elcu> Krys^: dual-boot?
[06:41] <Krys^> yea
[06:42] <elcu> Krys^: or rather, on the same HDD?
[06:42] <blueyed> diod, so it seems there is a default systemwide setting that gets remapped to your setting after login.
[06:42] <monty38> need a lil help
[06:42] <manou_> exit
[06:42] <blueyed> diod, can you try switching to tty1 (ctrl-alt-f1) and try it there before login (in the login field) and after login?
[06:43] <blueyed> monty38, ask..
[06:43] <monty38> got an error code after install      error 23 or 28
[06:43] <blueyed> with grub?
[06:43] <diod> redduck666 and blueyed, sorry, I'm with Warty !!
[06:43] <monty38> default
[06:43] <monty38> i am not in front of pc
[06:43] <blueyed> diod, try it though.
[06:43] <monty38> my wife is in spain trying to install on her pc there
[06:44] <diod> blueyed, no pb with VT 1 !!
[06:44] <blueyed> monty38, so after it boots, before Ubuntu starts? Or after install before it reboots?
[06:44] <redduck666> Krys^, u still here?
[06:44] <monty38> she got the code after install and reboot i am asumeing all is default she is newer than me to linux
[06:44] <blueyed> diod, strange. I'd google for "gdm keymap" or sth. no further ideas.
[06:45] <blueyed> monty38, looks like a problem with grub - the boot loader-
[06:45] <stevenj> Using hoary-I installed nvidia glx and changed nv to nvidia and no logo-everything works it seems (glxgears) however, when I log out I get this strange distorted line at the top of the screen and then it goes away?
[06:45] <monty38> blueyed after install
[06:45] <blueyed> stevenj, I have this too.
[06:45] <blueyed> monty38, before reboot?
[06:46] <stevenj> blueyed, any idea what this is?
[06:46] <projectmayhem> hey everyone
[06:46] <superted> doesn't the warty install and live cd have rescure mode?
[06:46] <projectmayhem> relatively noobish user here wondering what i can do to make my system more secure
[06:47] <monty38> blueyed during reboot
[06:47] <blueyed> no, stevenj. Probably due to the nvidia drivers or X.. dunno. Have you searched if this is in bugzilla?
[06:47] <herrie-aab> hello can somebody explain me to work with synaptic??
[06:47] <redduck666> projectmayhem, run all apps as a $ and not as #
[06:47] <frank__> stevenj, that line doesn't stay there, right? It doesn't really matter
[06:47] <stevenj> blueyed, have been for a while
[06:47] <monty38> sorry taking time to respond but i am on phone ld to spain asking ? of wif
[06:47] <projectmayhem> redduck thx
[06:47] <redduck666> herrie-aab, where do you have troubles?
[06:47] <elcu> projectmayhem: http://ubuntuguide.org/#security
[06:47] <DeeBs> anyone here have any experience with ndiswrapper?
[06:48] <projectmayhem> thanks elcu
[06:48] <stevenj> frank__, just looks like something is wrong...never seen this before
[06:48] <inc> sup channel
[06:48] <redduck666> sup inc
[06:48] <blueyed> monty38, so this is most likely grub. I've experienced error 17 once, which was beacuse it could not access the drive to boot from. I've edited this in the grub menu and it worked. Can't help you anymore.
[06:48] <raydogg> how do i tell apt-get to not look for an ubuntu cd in my cdrom?
[06:48] <tarzeau> elcu: haha paranoid
[06:48] <inc> anyone familiar with apche reverse proxy
[06:48] <frank__> stevenj, the line is just there in the transistion right?
[06:48] <tarzeau> elcu: and what to do to prevent trespassers remove the harddisk?
[06:49] <redduck666> raydogg, edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:49] <Xappe> off topic, but cool: http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=378953
[06:49] <elcu> tarzeau: eh, i'm not paranoid.  i was just posting a link.
[06:49] <herrie-aab> redduck666, with ubuntu hoary i have one file in  deb format and i wanna install it what i must do?
[06:49] <tarzeau> elcu: true ;)
[06:49] <redduck666> raydogg, debain has apt-setup
[06:49] <tarzeau> elcu: i mean trespassers might have a blessed +3 silversword called Sting
[06:49] <frank__> herrie-aab, sudo dpkg -i /path/to/file.deb
[06:49] <raydogg> thanks redduck666
[06:50] <raydogg> that worked :-)
[06:50] <stevenj> frank__, rights its actually the second screen after logging out then it hits the GDM
[06:50] <redduck666> raydogg, :)
[06:50] <DeeBs> k nvm re the ndiswrapper, i'll check back if the info on the wiki that i just found doesn't pan out
[06:50] <elcu> tarzeau: see previous post :)
[06:52] <elcu> karsten: missing the blonde?
[06:52] <trystonix> Hi, Can anyone help me, fresh install of Ubuntu Hoary, my sound is not working but the sound card was detected :\
[06:52] <karsten> elcu: Mmmm.
[06:53] <redduck666> trystonix, first thing i would do is sudo alasconf
[06:53] <karsten> Is there a changelog for warty=>hoary w/ packages, and/or a minimum free disk for install recommendation somewhere?
[06:53] <diod> redduck666, I want to have the last release of Firefox, it's not in Warty .. what sould I do ? Upgrade first to Hoary ?
[06:53] <trystonix> it says alasconf not found heh :\
[06:54] <frank__> trystonix, thats alsaconf
[06:54] <Kartagis> try alsaconf
[06:54] <redduck666> trystonix, you use alsa?
[06:54] <trystonix> same thing
[06:54] <trystonix> i need to install it from synaptic then i guess
[06:54] <karsten> Also, could someone confirm a conflict in warty between dosemu and, lordy, something else?  Ran into a file packaging conflict.
[06:54] <frank__> trystonix, its there by default I think
[06:55] <redduck666> diod, in debain you can only place apt-get mirrors in /etc/apt/sources.lst
[06:55] <Zatoichi> anyone know where xfterm4 hides it's settings file?
[06:55] <redduck666> Zatoichi, ~./?
[06:55] <GammaRay> Zatoichi: xfterm4 is just a wrapper around xterm
[06:55] <diod> redduck666, so which mirror should I add ?
[06:55] <trystonix> frank_: yep sure is, marked as installed but no alsaconf
[06:55] <redduck666> diod, not sure i'm not familiar with ubuntu
[06:55] <diod> redduck666, ok :)
[06:56] <dockane> is it a good idea to run an apache (unavailabe to outside) locally for bookmarks ?
[06:56] <Zatoichi> are you sure, becuase they look very different?
[06:56] <frank__> trystonix, did you do a sudo alsaconf ?
[06:56] <trystonix> frank_: yes it returns command not found
[06:56] <redduck666> trystonix, apt-get install alsa
[06:56] <herrie-aab> frank_, he said he don't know the option
[06:57] <inc> i got reverse proxy on and http requests go to my server 192.168.1.3 and it pulls the page from my other server at 192.168.1.4, but the logs on the .4 machine only show traffic from the .3 machine.. anyone know how to forward the refering ip to the .4 machine?
[06:57] <Zatoichi> I'm having a hard time trying to get fonts to work right in aterm so I want to see waht xterm/xfterm4 is loading
[06:57] <stevenj> anyone know if gnome is installed in just he ubuntu base?
[06:57] <goldfish> stevenj: Don't think so.
[06:57] <benkong2> How is ubuntu doing for a home server?
[06:57] <frank__> trystonix, You need to install the alsa-utils package to get alsaconf
[06:57] <thanatosys> has anyone tried to use 2.4.26 as a kernel for ubuntu
[06:57] <benkong2> mail, ftp,apache etc.
[06:57] <trystonix> frank__: it is marked as installed under synaptic
[06:58] <stevenj> Thinking about reinstalling just the ubuntu base and loading what I want....
[06:58] <diod> stevenj, no
[06:58] <redduck666> thanatosys, why not use 2.6 kernel?
[06:58] <goldfish> benkong2: Supposed to be good.
[06:58] <frank__> herrie-aab, what do you mean exactly?
[06:58] <elcu> heh, one of my favourite songs is by thanatos
[06:59] <benkong2> goldfish; ok I had it prior to warty so I'll try to install again today and see how it goes
[06:59] <stevenj> diod, what would I need to get gnome running after the U base?
[06:59] <templer> excuse me, how can i open a port in the router having dhcp actived??
[06:59] <frank__> trystonix, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=21211
[06:59] <redduck666> stupid question warty is something like woody? and horay is something like sarge?
[06:59] <trystonix> frank__ ok thanks will check that out
[07:00] <diod> stevenj, sudo apt-get install gnome I think
[07:00] <elcu> redduck666: that's not stupid.
[07:00] <redduck666> elcu, so am i right?
[07:01] <elcu> no idea. :)
[07:01] <frank__> redduck666, no Warty was the ubuntu release 6 months ago so probably something like sarge of six months ago
[07:02] <frank__> redduck666, woody is really old (and really stable)
[07:02] <karsten> elcu: the other thing about the people shot is that if we *must* have the idiot-it-was-old-already-in-1999-high-angle-camera-shot, I want to see _cleavage_.
[07:02] <redduck666> frank__, ubuntu has only warty and horay?
[07:02] <stevenj> diod, I'm just wondering if this is a good way to go (server install) because I end up removing most applications anyway :)
[07:02] <robertj> removing appolications on a sever is for the most part, not worth bothering with
[07:03] <frank__> redduck666, There have been only 2 releases and releases are planned every 6 months
[07:03] <redduck666> frank__, thanks
[07:03] <diod> redduck666, you should pay a visit to ubuntulinux.org .. Ubuntu is like Sid getting released each 6 monhs
[07:03] <frank__> redduck666, yeah I always mix up sid and sarge
[07:04] <elcu> karsten: heh.
[07:04] <diod> stevenj, if you have bandwith, I would recommend going the server installation way
[07:04] <GammaRay> Zatoichi: how I do it is this: Rxvt*font: 9x15 in ~/.xresources
[07:04] <GammaRay> Zatoichi: all the fonts are in /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/
[07:04] <elcu> karsten: you can get the theme/background with her naked, albeit sans nudity, if that makes sense.
[07:05] <diod> stevenj, but then, you must kow what you really need :)
[07:05] <goldfish> hey dazed
[07:05] <xavier_> lo all
[07:05] <redduck666> xavier_, lo
[07:06] <Zatoichi> GammaRay, can you get anything else to work besides 9x15?
[07:06] <Zatoichi> look at the output of xlsfonts, and try another one
[07:06] <linuxpoet> How do you get ubuntu to see other kernels that are installed? My kernels are listed in the /boot/brub/menu.lst
[07:06] <linuxpoet> and update-grub was run by apt-get
[07:06] <linuxpoet> but
[07:06] <linuxpoet> When I rebooted
[07:06] <elcu> karsten: download the ubuntu-calendar package.  you get her nude desktop and the nipple/cleavage as your login screen.
[07:06] <linuxpoet> I only had the old kernels
[07:07] <elcu> :)
[07:07] <stevenj> diod, I have the Bandwidth, but I am thinking apt will install what I need
[07:07] <LinuxJones> linuxpoet, you installed the linux-image file ? Maybe you accidentaly installed the linux-source ?
[07:07] <linuxpoet> yep it is there
[07:08] <diod> stevenj, once you know wht you need, apt will instll it happily
[07:09] <jaco^> what application looks like babylon?
[07:09] <xavier_> jaco^, what's babylon ? :)
[07:10] <jaco^> babylon translator
[07:11] <xavier_> jaco^, I'd say gnome-dict with good translation dictionnaries
[07:11] <xavier_> gnome-dictionary
[07:11] <xavier_> i hope dict.org has translation dicts
[07:11] <jaco^> mmm, ok , i'll try
[07:12] <xavier_> if not, you can set up a local dictd server with the good dictionnaries
[07:13] <jacobnix> hello
[07:13] <jacobnix> to everyone
[07:13] <jacobnix> here
[07:13] <xavier_> lo jacobnix
[07:14] <jacobnix> someone knows how activate external proyector in ubuntu ppc(ibook g4) in hoary
[07:14] <xavier_> oops, dunno
[07:15] <xavier_> it isn't autodetected on boot ?
[07:15] <jacobnix> no, look let me explain
[07:16] <xavier_> ...
[07:16] <pepsi_> heh
[07:16] <jacobnix> ia have ubuntu hoary and macosx, and then i connect the cable to external proyector , later when choose boot linux
[07:17] <Myrtti> I have a question for you. What Firefox is the latest in Ubuntu repositories?
[07:17] <BurgerMann> 1.0.3?
[07:17] <jacobnix> inmediatly when ubuntu linux ppc hoary  start to boot
[07:17] <mjr> does softsusp work for anyone with amd64?
[07:17] <pepsi_> 1.0.2
[07:17] <Burgundavia> 1.0.2 with the security fixes backported from 1.0.3
[07:17] <BurgerMann> oh, 2 then
[07:17] <Myrtti> Burgundavia: you sure?
[07:17] <Burgundavia> Myrtti, check the change logs
[07:18] <Myrtti> should I uninstall and reinstall my firefox?
[07:18] <jacobnix> the external proyector only display a blank screen
[07:18] <Myrtti> to get it?
[07:18] <Burgundavia> Myrtti, nope
[07:18] <xavier_> jacobnix, okay
[07:18] <Burgundavia> Myrtti, if you have updated, you have the latest version
[07:18] <xavier_> dunno how it works on PPC
[07:18] <nydust> how do i decompress files in rar 3.0 format?
[07:18] <jacobnix> but no, display ubuntu
[07:18] <xavier_> but in x86 it's a sort of "dual head"
[07:18] <jacobnix> no disply gnome
[07:19] <nydust> unrar is not working
[07:19] <Myrtti> I haven't updated since official release of hoary, I get no updates to my synaptic. I'm suspecting my sources.list is b0rked.
[07:19] <Burgundavia> nydust, you need rar-nonfree
[07:19] <xavier_> jacobnix, ??
[07:19] <Myrtti> nydust: you're having the wrong version
[07:19] <Burgundavia> Myrtti, there have been no updates
[07:19] <nydust> BurgerMann, where do i get it?
[07:19] <jacobnix> xavier, yes?
[07:19] <Myrtti> Burgundavia: rilly?
[07:19] <mirak> hi
[07:19] <jacobnix> xavier..yes im here=
[07:19] <Burgundavia> Myrtti, no security updates
[07:19] <mirak> I can't record with my mic
[07:19] <Spitty> hello everyone
[07:19] <xavier_> jacobnix, do you get any output ?
[07:19] <herrie-aab> hello how can i select some package with synaptic??????
[07:19] <Myrtti> I see
[07:19] <mirak> I hear myself amplified
[07:20] <xavier_> jacobnix, at least the console ?
[07:20] <mirak> but that's direct amplification
[07:20] <b2s> Burgundavia: wasn't there a firefox local update of some sort?
[07:20] <xMaximex> does anyone try cedega with battlefield ?? i have a problem right now .. when i select Battlefield 1942 and press Play ..  I have a black screen, the resolution change but the game doesn't start ..  ?
[07:20] <mirak> there is no recording
[07:20] <mirak> I can't record
[07:20] <Burgundavia> b2s, local update?
[07:20] <xMaximex> s/try/tried
[07:20] <b2s> er "locale" update :/
[07:20] <mirak> xMaximex: play on windows
[07:20] <Burgundavia> b2s, hmm, no idea
[07:20] <raydogg> is it possible to reset the root password without rebooting ?
[07:20] <BurgerMann> nydust, get what, firefox?
[07:20] <xMaximex> mirak, ok .. next please ?
[07:20] <goldfish> raydogg: yes
[07:20] <goldfish> no wait
[07:20] <herrie-aab> hello how can i select some package with synaptic??????
[07:20] <goldfish> hmmm
[07:20] <mirak> xMaximex: this works for me
[07:21] <elcu> herrie-aab: i've told you!!!!!!!!!
[07:21] <nickrud> calendar & mozilla-firefox locale, april 12
[07:21] <xMaximex> mirak, for me too but i want to play on linux
[07:21] <jacobnix> xavier: no nothing, only when boot linux and the external proyector displays a blank screen, but no terminal , no dmesg messages
[07:21] <herrie-aab> not to select
[07:21] <mirak> xMaximex: I want to play msy 4
[07:21] <mirak> myst 4
[07:21] <elcu> herrie-aab: yes i did
[07:21] <BurgerMann> herrie-aab, just click and mark a package for installation
[07:21] <xavier_> jacobnix, I'm sorry i can't really help you as I don't know how these ppc work
[07:22] <herrie-aab> yes but i don't see my package.
[07:22] <raydogg> goldfish, It seems to me that you have to have root access to change anything... therefor you would have to reboot and use a boot disk
[07:22] <BurgerMann> herrie-aab, did it bring up a dialog telling you it was installing?
[07:22] <mirak> anyone manage to record from the micro with an sblive ?
[07:22] <xavier_> jacobnix, http://ohno.mrbill.net/pipermail/geeks/2003-December/042511.html
[07:22] <jacobnix> xavier: in ubutu ppc, works the output to external proyectors
[07:22] <jacobnix> =
[07:22] <herrie-aab> no
[07:23] <herrie-aab> please tell me what i must do exactly to install something.. i'm sorry but i wanna know it
[07:23] <Burgundavia> herrie-aab, run synaptic
[07:23] <Burgundavia> herrie-aab, system-->admin-->synaptic
[07:23] <benkong2> hey all got a new mac g4 and just d/l the livecd ubuntu how do I get it to run or where are some docs to read?
[07:23] <elcu> herrie-aab: i gave you step by step instructions.  scroll up
[07:23] <xavier_> jacobnix, maybe a bios config issue ?
[07:23] <xavier_> jacobnix, try the mirror mode
[07:23] <Burgundavia> herrie-aab, then search for it, and riht click and choose install
[07:23] <mirak> benkong2: press C during boot
[07:23] <nickrud> herrie-aab, this is a deb you downloaded from a website ?
[07:23] <benkong2> mirak; thanks
[07:23] <mirak> benkong2: read you mac doc
[07:24] <herrie-aab> yes i have download it from a website
[07:24] <nickrud> dpkg -i package
[07:24] <Burgundavia> herrie-aab, what did you download?
[07:24] <Spitty> could someone point me to a FAQ or guide on enabling openGL for compiled programs?  i have all the libs downloaded and everything, but program like vpython and quake2 refuse to compile, claiming that the libs don't exist.  Cedega works, as does UT2004- running hoary and the latest nvidia drivers.
[07:24] <herrie-aab> effectv
[07:24] <jacobnix> xavier: how to set the mirror mode?
[07:24] <xavier_> jacobnix, i guess it's in the openbios
[07:24] <benkong2> mirak; I know rtnm is always a good choice
[07:25] <xavier_> can't help you with this
[07:25] <mirak> n ?
[07:25] <mirak> benkong2: n ?
[07:25] <Burgundavia> herrie-aab, it is synaptic, search for it there
[07:25] <xavier_> jacobnix, there are two main modes
[07:26] <xavier_> jacobnix, the mirror mode where the same thing is displayed
[07:26] <nickrud> Spitty, look at what lib was not found, and apt-cache search for it, and load the -dev package.
[07:26] <elcu> herrie-aab: effectv and freebirth ... and probably everything else you have said is available from the repositories using synaptic.  you are just making things harder because dpkg won't install dependencies for you.
[07:26] <xavier_> jacobnix, and the independant mode, but this one can't be handled without manual X configuration
[07:26] <nickrud> rinse, lather, and repeat :)
[07:26] <Spitty> it's reporting that gtkglarea was not found, but i have that lib, and the dev packages installed
[07:26] <nickrud> oh
[07:26] <Spitty> in addition, it's not finding any GL stuff at all
[07:26] <herrie-aab> elcu,they say it's locked
[07:27] <Burgundavia> herrie-aab, if you already running synaptic, then you can't install
[07:27] <Burgundavia> herrie-aab, search in synaptic for effectv
[07:27] <xavier_> jacobnix, I think #DebianPPC should be better
[07:28] <Burgundavia> herrie-aab, and install it from there. It is much much better than downloading it off the website
[07:28] <jacobnix> xavier:ahhhh, because when choose boot into MacOSX, and connect external proyector, in macoxs, the external proyector works very well
[07:28] <jacobnix> xavier: and external proyector display macosx very well
[07:28] <xavier_> jacobnix, but, the same screen, or independant ?
[07:30] <elcu> herrie-aab: you can only open one synaptic session at a time.  make sure you don't have one open already
[07:30] <tojileon> Hi friends
[07:30] <EddieX> elcu, Are you king at opengl now?
[07:30] <jacobnix> xavier: the output in the ibook display ,and in the external proyector display too
[07:31] <elcu> EddieX: in 2 hrs (or however long its been)?
[07:31] <elcu> you must be joking
[07:31] <jacobnix> xavier: same tine
[07:31] <tojileon> No sound in Hoary. It was working fine in Warty. Can anyone help me?
[07:31] <EddieX> elcu, Hehe, you never know
[07:31] <nickrud> tojileon, maybe
[07:32] <elcu> EddieX: how far have you gone with it?  made any games? :)
[07:32] <xavier_> jacobnix, if it's simple mirroring, it should work out of the box
[07:32] <xavier_> sorry guy :/
[07:32] <nickrud> tojileon, what desktop are you running?
[07:32] <EddieX> elcu, Im just playing with it, also make some math stuff
[07:32] <tojileon> gnome
[07:33] <victor> i have the hoary version, with gnome and i can not change the resolution,it has for default 680x480 and i  want  1280x1240, beacuse , everything its to big!....somebdoy could help me?
[07:33] <nickrud> first, run lsof | grep esd, and post the line (checking to see if gnome's sound server is running)
[07:33] <jacobnix> xavier: thanks
[07:33] <elcu> victor: you need to edit your xorg.conf file
[07:33] <jacobnix> xavier: im try DebianPPC
[07:33] <xavier_> jacobnix, good luck
[07:34] <nickrud> tojileon, just the first line!! :)
[07:34] <tojileon> nickrud, gnome-ses 7455       toji  mem       REG        3,1    32472    3403335 /usr/lib /libesd.so.0.2.35
[07:34] <nickrud> tojileon, ok, good.
[07:34] <benkong2> wow this ubuntu on a ppc is kool :-))
[07:34] <elcu> EddieX: math stuff in opengl? what's wrong with you!
[07:35] <nickrud> tojileon, run alsamixer from the command line, and check for any muted outputs
[07:35] <Spitty> so can anyone give me a hand with enabling openGL for compiled programs?  i have the libs i need, but it's just not seeing it... is there a variable i have to set, or a module to load or soemthing?
[07:35] <EddieX> elcu, Hehe, it is nice to visualize (spell?) some stuff in it, other than having it on paper
[07:36] <xavier_> Spitty, have you installed the right module for your card ?
[07:36] <Elsidox> can anyone help me install java on ubuntu? I was using the ubuntu starter guide but it doesnt seem to have the package.
[07:36] <Spitty> yep, i have an nvidia 6800, and i have the nvidia module installed
[07:36] <xavier_> xavier_, what does glxinfo say ?
[07:36] <xavier_> is there direct rendering ?
[07:36] <abbot45> im running the live cd, ive got a 2nd hard drive that had my home directory in mandrake.  the directory isnt showing up in ubuntu so i cant get to those files.  can someone please help?
[07:36] <chase> can i download a CVS version of kpim threw apt??
[07:36] <tojileon> nickrud, everything should be on? what about surround, center etc?
[07:37] <nickrud> tojileon, depends on your sound card.
[07:37] <wdh> does ubuntu use udev by default?
[07:37] <tojileon> nickrud, oops! Then, is it better to ON everything?
[07:37] <xavier_> wdh, yes
[07:37] <mainer> www.java.sun.com
[07:37] <nickrud> tojileon, it won't break anything :)
[07:38] <Spitty> glxinfo pastes a huge output, but it is the nvidia module
[07:38] <xavier_> Splitty : glxinfo | grep direct
[07:38] <victor> elcu: could you explain me how? or just a url to see? please
[07:38] <LaDWhitty> hello i have a problem with installing ubuntu
[07:38] <elcu> EddieX: those tutes you linked to are good, but i think i need more of the basics.  iirc, it goes straight to texturing in lesson 3!
[07:39] <LaDWhitty> my old computer that im trying to install ubuntu on doesnt support booting from cds, so how do i make a boot floppy with ubuntu on it?
[07:39] <tojileon> nickrud, ok. everything is ON now
[07:39] <nickrud> any sound
[07:39] <tojileon> nickrud, :(
[07:39] <Spitty> xavier_: direct rendering: Yes
[07:40] <xavier_> Spitty, try glxgears
[07:40] <nickrud> tojileon, what app are you using to test your sound?
[07:40] <knucks> anyone here with an ipod
[07:40] <tojileon> nickrud, xmms
[07:40] <knucks> ?
[07:40] <LaDWhitty> i have an ipod
[07:40] <Spitty> i get fps' in excess of 12,000 with the default window size in glxgears
[07:40] <knucks> LaDWhitty: can u do me a favor?
[07:40] <JaZy84> can someone help me with an error i'm getting when running apt-get upgrade
[07:40] <LaDWhitty> yea
[07:40] <knucks> (that is considering ur ipod works on ubuntu?)
[07:40] <nickrud> tojileon, you need to tell xmms to use esd as it's sound output option
[07:40] <xavier_> Spitty, so, what's the claim ?
[07:40] <tojileon> nickrud, totem exits with 'Resource busy or not available'
[07:40] <LaDWhitty> well, i dont have ubuntu installed
[07:40] <JaZy84> i'm getting this error
[07:41] <JaZy84> Preparing to replace kdelibs-data 4:3.4.0-0ubuntu3 (using .../kdelibs-data_4%3a3.4.0-0ubuntu3.1_all.deb) ...
[07:41] <Spitty> opengl applications refuse to compile
[07:41] <JaZy84> Unpacking replacement kdelibs-data ...
[07:41] <JaZy84> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4%3a3.4.0-0ubuntu3.1_all.deb (--unpack):
[07:41] <JaZy84>  trying to overwrite `/usr/share/icons/default.kde', which is also in package knetworkconf
[07:41] <JaZy84> Errors were encountered while processing:
[07:41] <elcu> victor: http://www.pastebin.com/274960  You need to edit your Screen section to something like mine.
[07:41] <JaZy84>  /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4%3a3.4.0-0ubuntu3.1_all.deb
[07:41] <knucks> ...so u dont use ipod on ubuntu?
[07:41] <JaZy84> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[07:41] <LaDWhitty> my old computer that im trying to install ubuntu on doesnt support booting from cds, so how do i make a boot floppy with ubuntu on it?
[07:41] <dr_willis> Spitty,  and what sort of error do they gve when they dont compile?
[07:41] <LaDWhitty> nope, i cant get ubuntu installed
[07:41] <xavier_> Spitty, apt-get install nvidia-glx-dev or something like this
[07:41] <elcu> victor: Make sure your monitor can handle the resolutions you enter though.
[07:41] <JaZy84> never mind
[07:41] <JaZy84> got it
[07:41] <abbot45> im running the live cd, ive got a 2nd hard drive that had my home directory in mandrake.  the directory isnt showing up in ubuntu so i cant get to those files.  can someone please help?
[07:41] <knucks> bah..
[07:41] <goldfish> LaDWhitty: i think there is a guide on the ubuntu website.
[07:41] <knucks> my ipod mounts as readonly..
[07:41] <knucks> i should try it on my winxp
[07:42] <ubuntu> hello
[07:42] <xavier_> Spitty, or search nvidia within synaptic
[07:42] <imaek> How can I tell what version of ubuntu i am running?
[07:42] <LaDWhitty> goldfish: do you know where its located?  i can only find how to make a boot cd
[07:42] <liable> knucks: well mount it rw then
[07:42] <Spitty> willis: checking GL... no checking GL with threads... no checking Mesa... no checking Mesa with pthreads... no configure: error: gtkglarea is required on Unix-like systems
[07:42] <knucks> liable: how
[07:42] <fangorious> can i run memtest from the livecd(x86)?
[07:42] <goldfish> LaDWhitty: emm, i'll have a look.
[07:42] <LaDWhitty> thx
[07:42] <liable> knucks: its fat fs?
[07:42] <knucks> yes
[07:42] <nickrud> tojileon, I'm kinda brain dead this morning :)
[07:42] <Spitty> xavier- i installed the nvidia drivers straight from the site, will downloading the ubuntu versions mess thigns up?
[07:42] <victor> yes it can, resently i install kdm and it works perfectly, but i want to make it work with gdm
[07:42] <nickrud> try this one: lsof | grep /dev/dsp
[07:43] <imaek> How can I tell what version of Ubuntu I am running?
[07:43] <xavier_> Spitty, you don't need them
[07:43] <Burgundavia> imaek, 2 menus or 3?
[07:43] <elcu> imaek: er, look at the CD.
[07:43] <xavier_> Spitty, do you have libgtkglarea-dev installed ?
[07:43] <liable> knucks: mount /dev/sda1 -t vfat -o user,umask=000 /mnt/blah
[07:43] <tojileon> nickrud, Thank
[07:43] <imaek> Burgundavia: Two... menus?
[07:43] <imaek> Where?
[07:43] <nickrud> that work?
[07:44] <tojileon> nickrud, oops! no output!
[07:44] <Burgundavia> imaek, upper left, 2 menus or 3?
[07:44] <imaek> I'm using xfce.
[07:44] <liable> knucks: or whatever devs it is
[07:44] <nickrud> tojileon, try lsof | grep /dev/dsp
[07:44] <Spitty> xavier_ no, i don't... that could be the problem.  is it in apt?
[07:44] <knucks> its connected via firewire...
[07:44] <knucks> but how do i check which dev it is?
[07:44] <xavier_> Spitty, search with synaptic
[07:44] <liable> knucks: whats dmesg say about it
[07:44] <Burgundavia> imaek, in that case 'cat /etc/issue'
[07:44] <xavier_> Spitty, the *-dev packages are needed to compile
[07:44] <Spitty> yeah
[07:44] <wdh> what would be the ubuntu equivalent of adding 'modprobe kqemu' to /etc/rc.d/rc.local on fedora?
[07:45] <imaek> Ah, thanks Burg.
[07:45] <xavier_> Spitty, that's the "developpment" part of the lib ;)
[07:45] <fangorious> can i run memtest from the livecd?
[07:45] <Spitty> right
[07:45] <imaek> Burgundavia**
[07:45] <tojileon> nickrud, lsof |grep /dev/dsp doesnot show anything
[07:45] <wdh> fangorious, yes
[07:45] <Spitty> i know that, i think my problem was it's not in apt
[07:45] <dr_willis> fangorious,  i do belive tehres a boot menu option on the live cd to run that.
[07:45] <mirak> what do I need to a vpn between a linux server and a windows 2000 client ?
[07:45] <Choubaka> wdh: adding kqemu to /etc/modules
[07:45] <Jet2k5> Hello I just changed my repos from ubuntuguide.org, and it's spitting a lot of errors back
[07:45] <nickrud> ok, the sound server isn't running :) duh.
[07:45] <wdh> Choubaka, thx a lot
[07:45] <Jet2k5> like some of those servers don't exist
[07:45] <Choubaka> at least iirc :)
[07:45] <knucks> liable..
[07:45] <LaDWhitty> my old computer that im trying to install ubuntu on doesnt support booting from cds, so how do i make a boot floppy with ubuntu on it?
[07:45] <knucks> um
[07:45] <wdh> i'll try :)
[07:45] <nickrud> alt-F2, enter esd
[07:46] <knucks> liable: dev/sda
[07:46] <fangorious> dr_willis, ok, must have missed it.
[07:46] <Spitty> actually, xavier_, i don't think libgtkglarea exists...?
[07:46] <xavier_> gtkglarea5-dev - Gimp Toolkit OpenGL area widget include files and static library
[07:46] <dr_willis> fangorious,  if its not on the live cd. i think its on the install cd.
[07:46] <xavier_> xavier@kawet:~$ apt-cache search gtkglarea
[07:46] <xavier_> gtkglarea5 - Gimp Toolkit OpenGL area widget shared library
[07:46] <xavier_> gtkglarea5-dev - Gimp Toolkit OpenGL area widget include files and static library
[07:46] <Spitty> right, i have those
[07:47] <knucks> liable: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda,
[07:47] <knucks>        missing codepage or other error
[07:47] <knucks>        In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
[07:47] <knucks>        dmesg | tail  or so
[07:47] <xavier_> Spitty, there should be no prob so
[07:47] <LaDWhitty> my old computer that im trying to install ubuntu on doesnt support booting from cds, so how do i make a boot floppy with ubuntu on it?
[07:47] <tojileon> nickrud, still, lsof |grep /dev/dsp is empty and running esd from cmd prompt shows that esd is already running
[07:47] <fangorious> dr_willis, that would be a bummer, having just overwritten my install cd with the live image :(
[07:47] <Spitty> exactly. there shouldn't be, but there is... which is why i came here
[07:48] <liable> knucks: try fat then
[07:48] <wdh> and what would be the ubuntu equivalent of adding the following to /etc/rc.d/rc.local on fedora? # Create the KQEMU device
[07:48] <wdh> mknod /dev/kqemu c 250 0
[07:48] <wdh> chmod 666 /dev/kqemu
[07:48] <liable> knucks: should be sda1
[07:48] <nickrud> ?
[07:48] <liable> knucks: or sda2
[07:49] <megamind> hi there ... i want to have some help about dns server in ubuntoo how do i install it ?
[07:49] <LaDWhitty> can someone help me please?
[07:49] <megamind> please guide me as i m a newbie
[07:49] <knucks> nope still tells me wrong fs type
[07:49] <nickrud> tojileon, try killall esd && esd &
[07:49] <wdh> megamind, apt-cache search dns
[07:49] <megamind> wdh - ok let me try plz ...
[07:49] <wdh> to find a proper package..
[07:49] <LaDWhitty> can someone help me please?
[07:49] <liable> knucks: what is it? a camera
[07:50] <wdh> megamind, and find a nice howto in google
[07:50] <LaDWhitty> my old computer that im trying to install ubuntu on doesnt support booting from cds, so how do i make a boot floppy with ubuntu on it?
[07:50] <knucks> liable: ipod
[07:50] <megamind> ok ...
[07:50] <dr_willis> LaDWhitty,  check the forums -->  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=18992
[07:51] <karljp> bah, xmms doesn't respond to the next/prev/pause keyboard shortcuts you can set up in gnome's keyboard shortcuts panel
[07:51] <dr_willis> LaDWhitty,  Not that they say much there.. but there may be some better threads. with better/newer info.
[07:51] <goldfish> LaDWhitty: wiki/InstallWithFloppiesHowto/view?searchterm=boot%20floppy
[07:51] <fevel> hello
[07:51] <liable> knucks: what mount command did you use
[07:51] <elcu> karljp: yes it does.  it jsut has to be active.
[07:51] <fevel> can anyone help me to route my internet connection to another pc
[07:51] <knucks> liable:  sudo mount /dev/sda1 -t vfat -o user,umask=000 /media/IPOD
[07:52] <fevel> the two computers are linked through a crossover cable
[07:52] <tojileon> nickrud, done. Now ps -aux |grep esd doesn't show anything other than grep
[07:52] <megamind> in result of apt-cache search dns .. it gives a long list .. which one do i choose :(
[07:52] <karljp> elcu: well, if it's active I might as well use the normal keys
[07:52] <elcu> karljp: i know :)
[07:52] <karljp> I want to command it when it's sitting on another workspace
[07:52] <karljp> oh well :)
[07:52] <tojileon> nickrud, sorry *other than esd
[07:52] <LaDWhitty> godlfish:  thanks for the help :-D
[07:53] <nickrud> tojileon, wierd :)
[07:53] <elcu> karljp: tried beep-music-player?
[07:53] <karljp> linux hasn't gotten a tickbox in the network properties to say, "share" yet?
[07:53] <karljp> elcu: no, haven't really looked at other ones at all.
[07:53] <megamind> please some one will refer me a dns server ... for ubuntoo
[07:53] <elcu> karljp: might be worth a shot if you're that desperate.
[07:54] <elcu> i've seen it recommended as an xmms alternative
[07:54] <nickrud> tojileon, do ls /dev/dsp
[07:54] <liable> knucks: does it have a switch for writing? dunno anything about ipods
[07:54] <karljp> elcu: cool, might have to have a look, I think I should really get back to doing eithe rjob applications or housecleaning though for right now... :)
[07:54] <knucks> liable: no
[07:55] <elcu> karljp: i was going to do homework 3 hrs ago.  *going*
[07:55] <fevel> how do i configure the network to share my connection...i have 2 network devices one connects to the modem (adsl, pppoe) and the other has a crossover cable connecting to another computer with ubuntu installed
[07:55] <elcu> so much for that.
[07:55] <elcu> :)
[07:55] <fevel> anyone please
[07:55] <tojileon> nickrud, yeah, it is there
[07:56] <nickrud> has your sound ever worked in hoary :)
[07:56] <liable> knucks: did you try 'fat' instaed of vfat
[07:56] <AirWays> hm
[07:56] <tojileon> nickrud, Nope. Never. It was working fine on Warty
[07:56] <knucks> mount: unknown filesystem type 'fat'
[07:56] <knucks> mount: maybe you meant 'vfat'?
[07:56] <nickrud> what kind of sound card do you have?
[07:57] <raydogg> goldfish
[07:57] <goldfish> yes
[07:57] <fangorious> dr_willis, well, still can't find it on the boot options for the livecd, guess i'll grab the install image and try that
[07:57] <raydogg> did u ever think if its possible?
[07:57] <tojileon> nickrud, lsmod |grep snd shows snd_via82xx            25248  1...
[07:57] <goldfish> raydogg: what?
[07:57] <liable> knucks: you say ubuntu mounts it read only?
[07:57] <dr_willis> fangorious,  i was thinking ya just typed 'memtest' or hit F1 or F2 to see a big list of options
[07:57] <knucks> ye
[07:58] <raydogg> resetting root password without rebooting
[07:58] <dr_willis> fangorious,  i use soo many live cd's :P im not sure.
[07:58] <goldfish> em
[07:58] <goldfish> hold on
[07:58] <liable> knucks: cat /etc/mtab
[07:58] <thread> h/wn
[07:58] <thread> oopz
[07:58] <Burgundavia> raydogg, what does rebooting have to do with resetting a root password?
[07:58] <karljp> dr_willis: the live cd for ubuntu's online help is actually rather sparse at boot time.
[07:58] <karljp> I was trying to find the great big list of options, and couldn't
[07:59] <cikilin> hello
[07:59] <dr_willis> karljp,  i may be thinking  of the latest Knoppix I downloaded  the other day. :P it has a Plethora of options. :P
[07:59] <karljp> possibly :)
[07:59] <cikilin> is any posibility to transform hoary to warty?
[07:59] <nickrud> tojileon, try relogging in so we get rid of what I've done, and look again :)
[08:00] <dr_willis> Knoppix's live cd overlay feature is... interesting. :P
[08:00] <liable> knucks: ???
[08:00] <mishof_23> is there a way to obtain a new ip address ? ( i remember in winxp it was possible someway )
[08:00] <fangorious> dr_willis, no big deal, i'm getting 540 KB/s downstream so it'll only take 15 minutes to get the install image
[08:00] <cikilin> is any posibility to transform hoary to warty?
[08:00] <goldfish> emmm
[08:00] <Choubaka> cikilin: yes, but very much not easy.
[08:00] <goldfish> Why? :)
[08:01] <liable> mishof_23: your are mistaken_23
[08:01] <Choubaka> clones :o
[08:01] <goldfish> lol
[08:01] <mishof_23> liable, huh?
[08:01] <cikilin> because now is moving very slow
[08:01] <dr_willis> fangorious,  heck - to get the knoppix iso also.  :P
[08:01] <nydust> how do i make i file executeabel?
[08:01] <liable> mishof_23: do you have a static ip?
[08:01] <dr_willis> fangorious,  heh i mean GO get knoppix as well. :P
[08:01] <nydust> how do i make a file executeabel?
[08:02] <mishof_23> liable, nope ..
[08:02] <fangorious> nydust, chmod u+x file
[08:02] <cikilin> choubaka: what do i have to do?
[08:02] <Choubaka> Ehh.
[08:02] <liable> mishof_23: well, then if its dialup, just disconnect and reconnect
[08:02] <Choubaka> cikilin: _loads_ of stuff
[08:02] <Choubaka> I'm not going to start explaining it.
[08:03] <Choubaka> best just reinstall :/
[08:03] <cikilin> k
[08:03] <cikilin> thank you
[08:03] <xavier_> ++ all
[08:03] <tojileon> nickrud, lsof |grep /dev/dsp doesn't show anything and no sound too :(
[08:03] <cikilin> and if i reinstall it will erase my actual?
[08:03] <nickrud> tojileon, ps -ax | grep esd
[08:04] <tojileon> nickrud, 9108 ?        Ss     0:00 /usr/bin/esd -terminate -nobeeps -as 2 -spawnfd 18
[08:05] <decon_> can someone please help me with installing steam, hl2, Css :) ?
[08:05] <kisu_> help
[08:05] <nickrud> tojileon, ok we've reached my skill level :)
[08:05] <yonayona> Hello. I just booted from the Ubuntu live CD. It is amazing! Any pointers for someone coming from RedHat 9?
[08:05] <xMaximex> can anyone help me to run battlefield 1942 with Cedega ??? The game is installed but don't start
[08:05] <dr_willis> xMaximex,  ive had very bad luck with Cedega. :(
[08:05] <goldfish> xMaximex: try #cedega
[08:05] <nanomad> decon_, how can I help you?
[08:05] <dr_willis> xMaximex,  the cedega forums are your best bet.
[08:06] <tojileon> nickrud, Thanks for your interest.
[08:06] <nickrud> maybe, do you have the oss modules in lsmod?
[08:06] <nanomad> decon_, take a look at cedega
[08:06] <decon_> nanomad, im super noob to cedega :) just wanna install steam hl2 and css
[08:06] <dr_willis> Lol --> Cannot join #cedega (You are banned).   - and ive never been in there befor.
[08:06] <nanomad> decon_, try #cedega
[08:07] <decon_> ok :)
[08:07] <tojileon> nickrud, yeah, lsmod |grep oss shows some output
[08:07] <nickrud> Sound is important :)
[08:07] <dr_willis> if you can manage to get into #cedega tht is. :(
[08:08] <mishof_23> liable, its not dialup, and i dont want to reconnect and disconect manualy, theres a way
[08:08] <nydust> i used alien to converte a file from rpm to deb but i cant see that the program are installed, where do i see a list over the files the deb has installed?
[08:08] <liable> mishof_23: ok, if you say so
[08:09] <Seveas> nybro43, dpkg -l
[08:09] <tojileon> nickrud, yeah, sound is important. see this: http://tojileon.blogspot.com/2005/04/hoary-is-dumb.html.
[08:09] <dr_willis> nydust,  i often cheat and use 'mc' (file manager) to view the contents of rpm's and other packages.
[08:09] <Seveas> nydust, i meant
[08:09] <liable> mishof_23: proxy
[08:09] <Seveas> argh, and it's dpkg -L package
[08:09] <nickrud> ;(
[08:10] <nydust> aha thanks
[08:10] <djm62> http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin
[08:10] <djm62> tojileon: that link was roughly for you
[08:11] <stego> Which package are the X dev libraries in?
[08:12] <liable> stego: apt-cache search x-dev
[08:12] <stego> thanks liable
[08:12] <XTCboarder> does wine's fake windows partition have to be inside my user's folder?
[08:13] <nickrud> lotta work for sound :)
[08:13] <cikilin> is any command to clean =(go to basics of haory)
[08:14] <dr_willis> XTCboarder,  where else would you want it?
[08:14] <XTCboarder> i use this computer as a 1 user computer
[08:14] <XTCboarder> and having everythign inside my folder makes it kind of confusing
[08:14] <transgress> anyone know if ipods can play oggs?
[08:15] <Sauron21> could anyone tell me why DMA is diabled in ubuntu?
[08:15] <djm62> transgress: I think NOT...try iriver
[08:15] <dr_willis> transgress,  highly UNLIKELY.
[08:15] <XTCboarder> and having stuff far away from / (root) is kinda worky
[08:15] <Sauron21> ....and how I can turn it on?
[08:15] <XTCboarder> si i want it at /home/fakewin
[08:15] <dr_willis> XTCboarder,  running wine as 'root' is kinda wonky. :P
[08:15] <^thehatsrule^> Sauron21, boot settings, add to append DMA
[08:15] <XTCboarder> :p
[08:15] <dr_willis> XTCboarder,  use 'ln -s' and make links all you want.
[08:15] <liable> Sauron21: apt-get install hdparm
[08:15] <^thehatsrule^> or, Sauron21, do hdparm -d1 /dev/hd##
[08:15] <karljp> is there an openoffice channel?
[08:15] <XTCboarder> i meant root as in file system's root
[08:15] <Sauron21> is it safe?
[08:16] <karljp> or does anyone know why I can't click on page preview?
[08:16] <XTCboarder> but does it have to be in my folder
[08:16] <karljp> the file is read only, but still.
[08:16] <djm62> XTCboarder: ln -s /your/wine/directory /home/fakewine
[08:16] <liable> Sauron21: no :)
[08:16] <XTCboarder> cause i installed it already
[08:16] <^thehatsrule^> lol... guess it is :P
[08:16] <Sauron21> ....well......
[08:16] <^thehatsrule^> lol
[08:16] <XTCboarder> it works but photoshop gives me a funky error
[08:16] <XTCboarder> well, no it doesn't work....
[08:17] <XTCboarder> :S
[08:17] <liable> Sauron21: really, be carefull with it
[08:17] <XTCboarder> narf
[08:17] <Sauron21> let me give it a try.....if I suddently diappear.......it didnt work.
[08:17] <liable> Sauron21: google it
[08:17] <djm62> XTCboarder: try the wine forums....
[08:18] <djm62> I've seen photoshop work on wine, though slowly
[08:18] <XTCboarder> when  installed it it worked very good
[08:18] <XTCboarder> (last time i did)
[08:18] <XTCboarder> damn... fuch it... i'll just do it the normal way
[08:19] <^thehatsrule^> can you not just append dma to boot for dma?
[08:20] <djm62> XTCboarder: btw, the ~ character expands to your $HOME, and . is the current directory, if the typing is bothering you
[08:20] <karljp> so anyone know an open office channel anywhere?
[08:20] <djm62> also, ~username expands to $HOME for username
[08:20] <XTCboarder> nee, it's just having some proggy at /home/xtc/.wine/windows/blah/blah/blah/done.exe s0x
[08:21] <karljp> openoffice won't let me edit a read only document, I don't want to save it, but it won't even let me edit it.
[08:21] <djm62> that's a function of windows...bug-for-bug compatible ;) feel free to link to internal directories from your $HOME
[08:21] <Sauron21> well....guys....since I didnt suddently disappear......it worked just fin...:D:D:D:D
[08:22] <Sauron21> *fine
[08:22] <karljp> blah, I have to click on the "edit" button first.
[08:22] <XTCboarder> karljp if you copied it from someother place
[08:22] <XTCboarder> chmod it
[08:23] <djm62> XTCboarder: or add ~/bin to your $PATH (might already be there) and fill it with scripts to start your favourites, or even add icons to your desktop...no typing at all
[08:24] <Jimmothy> hm, at what point does ubuntu set your root password? because it won't accept mine when i type su -
[08:24] <Seveas> Jimmothy, use sudo
[08:24] <djm62> Jimmothy: that's not the way ubuntu does it...sudo with your own passwd
[08:24] <Jimmothy> oh
[08:24] <yfir> Jimmothy: there is no root password. use sudo instead
[08:24] <djm62> you can't _handle_ the root!
[08:25] <Seveas> Jimmothy: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[08:25] <Jimmothy> anyone else wnt to mention sudo?
[08:25] <Jimmothy> sorry, i'm used to fedora :)
[08:25] <yfir> throw us laggers a bone...
[08:25] <Jimmothy> worse part is i reinstalled fedora because i thought i lost my root pass last time i install ubuntu
[08:25] <nickrud> lol
[08:26] <nickrud> no offence meant :)
[08:26] <Jimmothy> how do i search with apt-get for xmms-mp3?
[08:26] <liable> Jimmothy: apt-cache search foo
[08:26] <karljp> apt-cache search xmms
[08:26] <Amplificator>  .   /dec/hdb1   /storage   ext3   defaults   0   2
[08:26] <Amplificator> What is wrong with that line? Regular users can't write
[08:26] <^thehatsrule^> use chmod
[08:27] <djm62> Jimmothy: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[08:27] <liable> Amplificator: add users after default
[08:27] <liable> Amplificator: or read man fstab
[08:27] <djm62> Jimmothy: if you haven't enabled the extra repositories, that's a step-by-step guide
[08:28] <Amplificator> liable, added users and now it shows up in "Computer" but still can't write to it?
[08:29] <liable> Amplificator: you need to umount and mount it again
[08:29] <fluoro> Is it possible to get Mono 1.1.x for Ubuntu?  I only see 1.0.x in Synaptic.
[08:29] <Seveas> fluoro, they're working on it
[08:30] <Seveas> fluoro, you can install the non-deb way though...
[08:30] <fluoro> Cool enough.
[08:30] <fluoro> Thanks.
[08:30] <nickrud> fluoro, half the people you see here will switch to breezy when 1.1.x shows up there :)
[08:30] <fluoro> Oh yeah!
[08:30] <karljp> what's the big plus for 1.1?
[08:30] <karljp> and how many people use mono stuff every day?
[08:31] <Seveas> beagle!
[08:31] <nickrud> tomboy
[08:31] <raydogg> anyone use mdadm ?
[08:31] <tovella> what do you all think gets kids interested in making the switch from playstation to personal computers?
[08:31] <nickrud> today, anyway
[08:31] <fluoro> 1.1 is much, much better than 1.0.
[08:31] <fluoro> And it supports amd64, while 1.0 does not.
[08:31] <djm62> yeah....beagle will get me addicted to using the desktop
[08:31] <fluoro> tovella: Cooler games. =)
[08:31] <djm62> tovella: the web
[08:32] <nickrud> tovella, growing up :D
[08:32] <transgress> irivers are nice, but for the price of 1 gig i can get 4 on an ipod... bleh
[08:32] <tovella> i've acutally thought about using software to allow playstation games to run on linux...
[08:32] <tovella> but i don't never attempted such a feat.
[08:32] <yfir> tovella: configurable hardware, plus they probably need comps anyway (beyond gaming)
[08:32] <goldfish> Anyone here use trannset?
[08:33] <danweh> I just booted Ubuntu 5.04 LiveCD on Apple iBook G3. Nice ;-)
[08:33] <fluoro> tovella: Playstation games suck, though, so it's pointless.
[08:33] <djm62> transgress: I know....really, you can compromise and live with mp3
[08:34] <tovella> it seems that much of today's inner city youths are primarily interested in only three things, though...
[08:34] <tovella> music videos, playstation, and sports.
[08:34] <transgress> djm62: yeah i suppose that would be the wiser of decisions
[08:34] <ironwolf> anybody got nagios working from the archive?
[08:34] <djm62> GTA san andreas ;)
[08:34] <fluoro> People still watch music videos?
[08:34] <transgress> people still watch tv?
[08:34] <fluoro> djm62: I can't wait until that comes out on PC. =)
[08:34] <liable> transgress: i was sure you were gonns say sex, sex, sex
[08:35] <tovella> fluoro: my ex-girlfriend's kids are addicted to hip-hop music and videos.
[08:35] <djm62> transgress: bothers me, cos I've ripped everything to ogg, but I can transcode to mp3 on the fly, or play them on my ipaq as ogg
[08:35] <transgress> liable: wtf?
[08:35] <nickrud> fluoro, I'm almost 50 & still watch mtv occasionally
[08:35] <Danimall> liable, that would be all men
[08:35] <karljp> this is the problem with oggs.
[08:35] <liable> /s/transgress/tovella
[08:35] <fluoro> Inner city youths here in Baltimore are interested in: drugs, sex, and beating each other up.
[08:35] <PenguinBoy> hey guys!
[08:35] <transgress> liable: oh okay
[08:35] <karljp> free is nice sure, but I can't play them on my dvd player, or my car stereo, or my ipod, or my........
[08:35] <djm62> MTV is conservative junk...kids are leaving it
[08:36] <transgress> liable: if it helps my mind is on sex atm ;p
[08:36] <fluoro> I didn't think MTV even showed music videos much anymore.
[08:36] <liable> hmmm, mine isnt :)
[08:36] <djm62> karljp: technically it isn't a problem with oggs, insofar as you couldn't "fix" it
[08:36] <transgress> what really pissed me off about mtv... as if it weren't stupid enough that they had to make mtv2 just to show music videos... then they start showing shows on mtv2
[08:36] <transgress> of course i didn't really like them before all that... but still... that was really asinine
[08:37] <fluoro> I never really liked MTV, even when I was a kid.
[08:37] <transgress> i prefer to download stuff nowadays... i don't even have my tv plugged in
[08:37] <djm62> karljp: if you were looking for problems, the lack of integer-only decoders was a setback, which is now sorted
[08:37] <transgress> it's like i can watch mtv for a few days hoping to see the music video i want... or i can download it and watch it now and as often as i want
[08:38] <fluoro> I thought it was funny that Microsoft is showing off the new Xbox on MTV.  I guess they didn't really want anyone to see it.
[08:38] <tovella> transgress: i think the whole pod-casting thing is great for spoken word or music, but is there such a thing for tv shows?
[08:39] <Jimmothy> -ah i'm good. it was an output thing with beep media player that was the problem. and thanks for clearing up my wonder for su -.
[08:39] <nickrud> I watch mtv because every now and then I need to buy an album I've never heard of.
[08:39] <karljp> djm: I'll be quite happy with oggs eventually, but I realyl really dislike transcoding
[08:39] <tovella> it would be great to be able to watch sesame-street whenever i want.
[08:39] <karljp> but I'm glad to hear about an integer only decoder
[08:39] <mello> there really isn't any good music on mtv
[08:39] <karljp> that is very goodnews.
[08:39] <mello> mtv2 maybe
[08:39] <nickrud> all the same to me
[08:39] <karljp> transgress: is the iriver really that much more expensive?
[08:39] <djm62> karljp: the problem isn't with oggs per se....which is true of many free software problems
[08:39] <Jimmothy> though my terminal font is nasty, and for irssi it isn't so pretty.
[08:40] <karljp> a friend of mine got an iriver a while ago, and it was cheaper for the same size than an ipod
[08:40] <fluoro> Does it play Ogg?
[08:40] <karljp> I guess iriver has had a hard time keeping up.
[08:40] <karljp> irivers do yes
[08:40] <djm62> fluoro: yeah
[08:40] <fluoro> Cool.
[08:41] <djm62> although ogg players /really/ ought to be cheaper
[08:41] <karljp> why just ogg players?
[08:41] <Jet2k5> Hello is anyone else having trouble with the ubuntu servers?
[08:41] <Jet2k5> sudo apt-get update is giving a crapload of errors
[08:41] <Seveas> Jet2k5, can you paste the errors somewher please (NOT here)
[08:41] <djm62> since ipods are a monopoly on apple-encoded content, mp3 players need licenses, and ogg players can compete freely on hardware cost
[08:42] <Xenguy> Jet2k5: try substituting a different mirror
[08:42] <Jet2k5> Seveas, mind if I pM you?
[08:42] <Seveas> Jet2k5, no
[08:42] <Jet2k5> well what other mirrors?
[08:42] <Jet2k5> I'm using the ones from ubuntuguide.org
[08:42] <fevel> firestarter said my device eth0 is not ready
[08:42] <karljp> oh, you mean ogg players that don't play anything else.
[08:42] <leek`_-> can someone explain to me how i can update gaim?
[08:42] <fevel> how can that be if im connected
[08:42] <karljp> perhaps, but would you buy one?
[08:42] <karljp> I sure as hell wouldn't
[08:42] <Xenguy> Jet2k5: I'm on debian ATM; I assume alternate mirrors are documented
[08:42] <tovella> one 15 year old told me to be sure to include a typing tutorial, because many kids in poor neighborhoods don't know how to type...
[08:42] <tovella> lessening their desire to use a computer.
[08:42] <tovella> that could be a contributing factor to them wanting to do drugs & beat each other up.
[08:42] <djm62> karljp: true...and I might
[08:43] <karljp> fair enough I guess :)
[08:43] <karljp> it's going to be pretty damn tough to try and unseat mp3,
[08:43] <karljp> windows and apple are trying hard, by pretending that aac and wmv are just like mp3, and hiding it from people, and supporting both,
[08:43] <djm62> well, I'd rather rip to ogg, and I buy high-bitrate mp3s that can cope better with transcoding
[08:43] <Xenguy> tovella: why not do drugs and learn how to type :p
[08:44] <karljp> yeah, I've only ever bought mp3s, even when offered all sorts of choices.
[08:44] <djm62> what other choices are there? aac ;)
[08:44] <Xenguy> karljp: spread the word about OGG; not enough people know yet
[08:44] <karljp> djm: on allofmp3, you can choose ogg, wmv, aac, mp3, and something else iirc
[08:45] <leek`_-> the silly name will hold it back :P
[08:45] <karljp> aac is a "better" name?
[08:45] <tovella> Xenguy: karljp: i personally think ogg is better.  everything i encode now-a-days gets encoded to ogg format.
[08:45] <transgress> eh well i don't buy music online... so i usually download mp3's... but i do buy cd's on occasion and i prefer to rip them to ogg
[08:45] <karljp> tovella: better for you in what way?
[08:45] <Seveas> wma still beats ogg
[08:45] <goldfish> Anyone had any luck playing mp3's in xmms ?
[08:45] <djm62> bit-for-bit it sounds better
[08:45] <karljp> goldfish: wiki for restricted formats
[08:45] <goldfish> I mean .wma's
[08:45] <Raskall> liable: it's much better now. It hardly goes over 54% and estimates almost 2 hours of battery time. :)
[08:46] <karljp> oh.
[08:46] <bassMonkey> goldfish: yes.. =)
[08:46] <djm62> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[08:46] <transgress> wma... hahaha... that's almost as grand as rm's
[08:46] <Xenguy> tovella: well it's free (as in freedom ;-)  Read that: 'patent-unencumbered'
[08:46] <tovella> transgress: i have the same problem - most of what you can download is in mp3 format.
[08:46] <goldfish> bassMonkey: I installed the xmms-wma plugin from the .deb but it wont work :/
[08:46] <karljp> yeah, bit for bit sound is nice and all,
[08:46] <transgress> yeah it's hard to be picky when you are stealing stuff...
[08:46] <goldfish> bassMonkey: What did you do?
[08:46] <mello> i can't get wmv's to play
[08:46] <transgress> mello: you get the w32codecs?
[08:46] <djm62> I don't have a problem with buying CDs and getting them in the format and bitrate of my choice
[08:46] <karljp> but for me, I don't care about the size so much, unless someone could do anothe rorder of magnitude
[08:46] <tovella> Xenguy: i intend to use a debian based distro for the computers i will set up for kids.
[08:46] <leek`_-> are there any car decks that support ogg? wmv and mp3 are better for me coz my deck plays them
[08:47] <bassMonkey> goldfish: sorry, don't know about wma, I meant mp3:s
[08:47] <karljp> like when we all went from wav and cds to mp3s/oggs
[08:47] <mello> ya
[08:47] <goldfish> ah right
[08:47] <goldfish> :)
[08:47] <Xenguy> tovella: good move (or Ubu, yes?)
[08:47] <leek`_-> wma*
[08:47] <bassMonkey> goldfish: you asked fort that first.. =)
[08:47] <goldfish> hehe, yeah sorry typo :)
[08:47] <Raskall> liable: I meant 54 degrees, not percent.
[08:47] <karljp> hard drive space is cheap, and portability is more important to me, I think ogg is just not a fight I want to try and fight
[08:47] <karljp> I'd rather push in other areas.
[08:47] <transgress> i wonder if there is a hack anywhere for getting oggs on the ipod... there is a hack to get linux on it...
[08:48] <tovella> transgress: there are many independant musicians who are selling there own works online - that's NOT stealing.
[08:48] <Jet2k5> Seveas, lol just one last thing, I get a problem on lsb?
[08:48] <djm62> software patent enforcement is the _only_ area
[08:48] <Jet2k5> Seveas, it's a package that it's not updating, but when I force it , it doesn't install either
[08:48] <Seveas> ah, libpostproc0 perhaps?
[08:48] <tovella> Xenguy: perhaps Ubu...
[08:48] <transgress> tovella: yeah that's true and that's really cool... i like that
[08:48] <Jet2k5> libimlib2
[08:49] <Jet2k5> it says it's a dep of ubuntu desktop
[08:49] <Seveas> Jet2k5, are you using marillat?
[08:49] <djm62> or indeed record companies selling online, with no DRM
[08:49] <karljp> leek: not sure, that was where I was having problems too.
[08:49] <SeamusLP> transgress: A guy managed to get the boot ROM off an ipod through a very creative method ;) let me see if I can find it
[08:49] <Xenguy> tovella: use Ubu or Debian; leave the rest behind (my humble opinion :-)
[08:49] <Jet2k5> Seveas, probably not, because I have no idea what that is
[08:49] <djm62> http://bleep.com/
[08:49] <Seveas> ok :)
[08:49] <karljp> my first cease and desist letter was for hosting some dedrm'd music
[08:49] <Seveas> anyway this error can very well be caused by backport breakages...
[08:49] <karljp> for people that had bought the cd and couldn't rip it for any legal purpose.
[08:50] <Seveas> and i really have no idea how to solve it without more info :
[08:50] <Seveas> :)
[08:50] <Jet2k5> Seveas, no, it emerged way before I decided to add the extra repos
[08:50] <Seveas> ok
[08:50] <Jet2k5> Seveas, hold on let me try the -f option again
[08:50] <leek`_-> can anyone here actually hear a difference between a high quality mp3 and high quality ogg?
[08:50] <tovella> Xenguy: mepis is still a consideration, as all the multimedia plugins are installed "out of the box"
[08:50] <Jet2k5> Seveas, got it :)
[08:50] <Xenguy> karljp: Iceland is cracking down on P2P?
[08:50] <Seveas> :o)
[08:50] <djm62> leek`_-: not at high bitrates
[08:50] <DanglyBits> use /nick 99mTc
[08:50] <Jet2k5> Seveas, seems like I'm really really over looking stuff
[08:51] <leek`_-> djm62: then why care so much?
[08:51] <SeamusLP> everybody go here http://ipodlinux.org/stories/piezo/ it's a piezo-acoustic ipod hack :D
[08:51] <karljp> xen: this was not p2p, it was outright http, via a hosting company
[08:51] <Xenguy> tovella: if it is for poor folks, non-profits, etc., you should seriously consider 'non-commerical' IMHO
[08:51] <Jet2k5> man, my ipod works awesome with ubuntu
[08:51] <djm62> leek`_-: because storage costs money
[08:51] <karljp> and not in .is anyway
[08:51] <Xenguy> tovella: I'll stop now ;-)
[08:51] <Jet2k5> never seen a distro that handles it so damn well
[08:51] <inc> Jet2k5: you can put music on it?
[08:51] <leek`_-> djm62: a few kb wont break anyone
[08:51] <karljp> leek: I'm with you on that one :)
[08:51] <Jet2k5> inc, of course! and lisen to it too!
[08:51] <tovella> after chatting with some people last night, i may re-consider gentoo, though.  i still have a lot more testing to do.
[08:51] <djm62> leek`_-: you mean, a few kb won't break _you_
[08:51] <karljp> you've been turned into a pragmatist by having a car player that doesn't play oggs
[08:51] <universal> gentoo, no!
[08:52] <Jet2k5> inc, on iTunes I can' lisen to songs on my ipod through my computer :\ nor can I copy them back to the hdd
[08:52] <inc> Jet2k5 I can listen no problem but loading musico n it is a different story
[08:52] <Xenguy> karljp: (use nick tab completion?) easier to track than P2P I assume
[08:52] <Seveas> storage cost a lot, there are plans to charge over 3 euros per GB extra here in holland
[08:52] <Jet2k5> inc, Limewire :)
[08:52] <inc> you use iTunes on ubuntu?
[08:52] <leek`_-> djm62: if you cant afford a few more gb for your harddrive, then stay away from computers
[08:52] <Jet2k5> inc, nope :)
[08:52] <karljp> nick completion is the root of all evil, I shall not use it.
[08:52] <leek`_-> djm62: now bandwidth, i could see where that could be an issue
[08:52] <inc> gtkpod?
[08:52] <djm62> leek`_-: not my hard drive...portable storage
[08:53] <Jet2k5> inc, to transfer the songs on to my iPod yes I use gtkpod, but to acquire the songs I download them through limewire
[08:53] <karljp> xen: much much easier to track, especially when russian mp3 search engines start listing it, and your site's bandwidth usage goes up about 3 orders of magnitude over night
[08:53] <djm62> leek`_-: and kindly allow me to decide where to stay away from or not ;)
[08:53] <leek`_-> djm62: but that extra 3kb you saved by making it an ogg wont really help when u get an mp3 player that doesnt play it
[08:53] <Jet2k5> inc, which is a p2p sharing sorta like Kazaa expect without the pop ups and most of all spyware
[08:53] <universal> can u use the Creative mp3-player products on ubuntu?
[08:53] <Jet2k5> inc, exept **
[08:53] <leek`_-> djm62: no problem ;) its not really an argument i care much to put alot of heart into
[08:54] <inc> i got the music .. don't need kazza
[08:54] <transgress> hahaha john the ripper for ipod... for when you have a year to kill to crack the password "cat"
[08:54] <Jet2k5> inc, dammit except ** ( i think )
[08:54] <Jet2k5> lol
[08:54] <tovella> universal: one thing i really like about gentoo is it really doesn't matter if nobody has gotten around to packaging a product yet...
[08:54] <tovella> there's just so much stuff available in source code that's part of the tree.
[08:54] <Anlar> universal: most of the sane mp3 players show up just as usb storage devices and yes.
[08:54] <moj0rising> for some reason, I can not get my camera to sync w/ my laptop. It works fine on my desktop. (both kubuntu). Can anyone help?
[08:54] <Xenguy> karljp: juse nick completion, since I might actually see your comments whilst participating in a dozen channels or so =)
[08:54] <Jet2k5> inc, then what is your problem?
[08:54] <inc> just want something that works on ubuntu for my ipod shuffle
[08:54] <Jet2k5> oh, hmm
[08:54] <Jet2k5> I just have a regular ipod
[08:54] <Jet2k5> not shuffle
[08:54] <universal> Anlar, ok nice
[08:54] <karljp> no, I shall not.  if you're not here, then you're not here.  or get highlighting that works on the important parts of your name
[08:54] <Jet2k5> well a mini actually
[08:54] <liable> tovella: and why do you say this in #ubuntu
[08:54] <transgress> moj0rising: what kind of connection?
[08:54] <djm62> leek`_-: so I can pay the "mp3 tax" of using more storage every time I play a file, or a once-off "iriver fee"...I don't buy hardware very often...this works out in <3 years
[08:54] <Xenguy> karljp: no
[08:55] <karljp> ok. well, I'm not going to either :)
[08:55] <moj0rising> transgress, usb
[08:55] <moj0rising> it is a kodak dx4330
[08:55] <Xenguy> karljp: yet you assert that actually using someone's nick is "evil" -- why then?
[08:55] <leek`_-> can anyone effectively explain to me a way i can upgrade gaim to the latest version?
[08:55] <karljp> because many nicks aren't people's actual nicks,
[08:55] <tovella> liable: i use ubuntu, mepis, puppylinux, damnsmall, & like different things about all of them.
[08:55] <transgress> moj0rising: did you check to make sure the usb is noticed?  and did you check to see that the camera is noticed when it connects?
[08:55] <Jet2k5> leek`_-, umm the source?
[08:55] <Xenguy> karljp: ?
[08:55] <Jet2k5> I think
[08:55] <karljp> nick completion of things like XenGDUE_AKF|Sleeping
[08:55] <djm62> 6 months of which will be spent saving up anyway...not everyone can view hardware as virtually free
[08:55] <karljp> is disgusting and evil
[08:56] <karljp> it's bad enough that people do that to their nicks
[08:56] <Jet2k5> is woody the codename for ubuntus next release?
[08:56] <moj0rising> ah. I'll check USB. The camera does not appear in kde's hardware manager.
[08:56] <karljp> likewise with nicks like [square] 
[08:56] <universal> tovella, is see, so u consider to use Gentoo
[08:56] <leek`_-> Jet2k5, hmm hence why im asking... obviously i dont know how
[08:56] <karljp> and ^vir^
[08:56] <universal> ?
[08:56] <liable> tovella: fair nuff
[08:56] <moj0rising> the usb port seems to work..... my memory stick mounts.
[08:56] <Jet2k5> leek`_-, lol me nether, on debian systems there is always an easier way to do them
[08:56] <Jet2k5> or not
[08:56] <tovella> liable: i used to use gentoo, but after a hard drive crash, i need some more disk space to do all the stuff i want.
[08:56] <Xenguy> karljp: I have no idea what you're talking about; furthermore I have never heard anyone object to nick completion before, for *any* reason.  (Perhaps you need to get a different IRC client?)
[08:57] <Seveas> Jet2k5, woody is the current debian stable
[08:57] <karljp> but enough from me, you may now have the last word, (though if you're in lots of channels, then you probably won't even see that this aimed at you, and so it will drift past)
[08:57] <moj0rising> transgress..
[08:57] <Seveas> the next ubuntu will be Breezy Badger (5.10)
[08:57] <moj0rising> oops.
[08:57] <Xenguy> karljp: I'm focusing on you for the moment, but not for long ;-)
[08:57] <moj0rising> actually, I was lying about the memory working. seems it does not either..
[08:57] <moj0rising> so I'm checking usb.
[08:57] <Jet2k5> Seveas, ok after removing the backports I can't seem to download any other apps
[08:57] <Jet2k5> not even java
[08:57] <transgress> heh i ordered a debian shirt last night
[08:57] <Edgan> Seveas: six months away
[08:57] <transgress> can't wait for that to get it
[08:57] <Seveas> Jet2k5, java is not available in ubuntu
[08:57] <transgress> to go with my got root hat.
[08:58] <GammaRay> Seveas: so when is sonic hedgehog coming?
[08:58] <Seveas> you need  other ways to install it :)
[08:58] <Jet2k5> what?!?
[08:58] <karljp> seveas: what?
[08:58] <Jet2k5> yes it is
[08:58] <raydogg> anyone use mdadm to setup linear raid up ?
[08:58] <karljp> maybe not directly from ubuntu
[08:58] <Jet2k5> it's in the ubuntuguide ?
[08:58] <karljp> but I'm using it "right now" iykwim
[08:58] <Jet2k5> yeah, not straight from ubuntu
[08:58] <Jet2k5> but I removed those back ports and I can't seem to download anything
[08:58] <Seveas> Jet2k5, read the JavaHOWTO on ubuntulinux.org/wiki
[08:58] <Jet2k5> which kinda sucks, and I was warned about this from people that were skeptical about ubuntu
[08:58] <transgress> can you do LVM with ubuntu?
[08:58] <Jet2k5> Seveas, guess that would be the way to do it
[08:58] <Seveas> Jet2k5, it is very easy to install java
[08:59] <karljp> transgress: of course!
[08:59] <Seveas> hang on..
[08:59] <raydogg> For some reason, mdadm --detail /dev/md0 shows that 2 disks are added and shows correct disk space... but when i mount /dev/md0, ti only shows the size of the first disk
[08:59] <karljp> though I couldn't setup lvm at install time though, which annoyed me.
[08:59] <djm62> backports are a bad idea....especially on something as up-to-date as ubuntu
[08:59] <transgress> karljp: without a world of hurt?
[08:59] <DanglyBits> Is firefox 1.0.3 available for Hoary ?
[08:59] <Seveas> DanglyBits, yes, but it's called 1.0.2
[08:59] <karljp> well, I did it on debian about 4 months ago
[08:59] <moj0rising> transgress, can you tell me a good way to check to see if usb is working?
[08:59] <karljp> so I would damn well expect it to work on ubuntu :)
[08:59] <djm62> I'll feel differently if AOL or MSN break compatibility with gaim, maybe
[08:59] <Seveas> DanglyBits, 1.0.2 on ubuntu includes the 1.0.3 security patches
[09:00] <transgress> karljp: yeah me too... but if they get around to that i may put ubuntu on this box when i get my new hard drive
[09:00] <universal> Anlar, do u use the same itunes program for transferring the music on mp3's as on the ipod?
[09:00] <transgress> moj0rising: check dmesg
[09:00] <transgress> moj0rising: and syslog
[09:00] <moj0rising> k..
[09:00] <DanglyBits> Seveas: why not call it 1.0.3 then?
[09:00] <karljp> transgress: if they get around to llvm at install time?
[09:00] <transgress> karljp: yeah
[09:00] <Seveas> DanglyBits, because it is not 1.0.3 :)
[09:00] <karljp> they actually may, I was setting up dual boot, and the partititon table is very odd
[09:00] <Anlar> universal: no, itunes does not work on linux (at least officially/legally)
[09:00] <karljp> lvm is offered at setup
[09:00] <karljp> just didn't work for me.
[09:00] <karljp> right now, partitiion magic won't even touch my drives
[09:00] <Seveas> DanglyBits, sounds confusing doesn't it :)
[09:00] <karljp> so it probably does work for you on a fresh harddrive at setup quite painlessly :)
[09:01] <djm62> universal: pymusique (and I think running itunes under wine is legal)
[09:01] <DanglyBits> Seveas: hep..so what is 1.0.3 that is posted on mozilla.org?
[09:01] <universal> Anlar, ok, but anyway what kind of mp3-player do u then prefeer buying?
[09:01] <djm62> well...legal in proper countries l)
[09:01] <yfir> DanglyBits: 1.0.3 will probably not appear in the Hoary repos - you'd have to wait until Breezy for that. But all the security patches of 1.0.3 are applied to 1.0.2
[09:01] <cfg9976> good evening
[09:01] <karljp> but yes, to clarify, LVM setup is offered at install time with ubuntu 5.04
[09:01] <transgress> well i've got 80 gigs on this box and i think ima buy a 400 gig drive to add to it
[09:01] <Anlar> universal: I got Jens Of Sweden. a good .ogg support and a nice beautiful design machine.
[09:01] <Seveas> DanglyBits, ubuntu applied the patches of 1.0.3 before 1.0.3 was out, so you don't need 1.0.3
[09:01] <karljp> except the security patch,
[09:02] <karljp> cos the firelinking poc still works
[09:02] <IIIEars> Agh! - I am sitting in front of Xterm - xorg didn't configure - What is the command to start screen the configuration program?
[09:02] <cfg9976> are you developers of ubuntu ?
[09:02] <transgress> i've got gentoo on it atm, and i love it so, but i dunno... ubuntu has been working well for me... and it's pretty decent on speed
[09:02] <Seveas> IIIEars, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[09:02] <karljp> gentoo is for ricers
[09:02] <transgress> karljp: i'm a ricer
[09:02] <DanglyBits> Seveas: i've heard about breezy..is this something I should go to in order to keep up on latest programs?
[09:02] <karljp> well :)
[09:02] <universal> Anlar, ok, i dont know that name... yet, but ive heard that the ipod do have problems with the battery and so
[09:02] <GeneralCody> what is a ricer?
[09:02] <IIIEars> Whew - MANY thanks! :)
[09:02] <karljp> whatever works for you you then
[09:02] <Seveas> DanglyBits, please do not do that yet
[09:02] <transgress> karljp: it's nice when kde boots in like 3 seconds though
[09:02] <Seveas> breezy will heavily break soon
[09:03] <moj0rising> transgress, sorry to ask but I am not sure on how to use syslog. Is it a file?
[09:03] <DanglyBits> Seveas: sorry?
[09:03] <Xenguy> GeneralCody: google for -> gentoo ricer
[09:03] <transgress> moj0rising: yeah it's in /var/log  ... go in and type tail syslog
[09:03] <moj0rising> cool...
[09:03] <Seveas> DanglyBits, there will be a massive toolchain update soon. And if you don't understand what that measns, you should NOT use breezy yet
[09:04] <karljp> seveas: are they dropping in gcc4?
[09:04] <Seveas> yes
[09:04] <djm62> GCC4?
[09:04] <DanglyBits> Seveas: are critical flaw in programs being applied to program contained in Hoary?
[09:04] <Seveas> and a glibc update
[09:04] <djm62> 0...0
[09:04] <Seveas> DanglyBits, yes
[09:04] <karljp> woo, I think I'm really going to like ubuntu
[09:04] <transgress> haha i use a nonstandard theme, and a 73lab wallpaper atm...
[09:04] <nickrud> me ponders just how old he's gotten
[09:04] <DanglyBits> Seveas: thanks
[09:04] <transgress> on this box i use blackbox and have all kinds of different shit set up
[09:04] <Seveas> hoary will include security updates and serious bugfixes for the next 18 months
[09:04] <karljp> debian was so smartly designed, but the world of living in sarge was just crap
[09:04] <Xenguy> bye
[09:04] <Xenguy> oops
[09:04] <nickrud> I will conquer irc someday
[09:05] <Seveas> karljp, indeed and ubuntu fills that gap :)
[09:05] <transgress> karljp: yeah... i see ubuntu as debian ... just with updates
[09:05] <karljp> seveas: hence me using it :
[09:05] <karljp> plus a ) at the end there
[09:05] <Seveas> :)
[09:05] <Seveas> hence /me using it too
[09:05] <moj0rising> OK. I didn't find anything about usb in syslog. I did find two lines about it in dmesg...
[09:06] <moj0rising> usbcore: registerd new driver usbfs
[09:06] <tovella> transgress: i just hope debian takes some of those updates into the unstable branch, though.
[09:06] <moj0rising> usbcore: registerd new driver hub
[09:06] <buulian> this is my first time in irc, but i'm having serious problems with ubuntu
[09:06] <Xenguy> transgress karljp Ubu relies on debian; you might want to ponder that dependency =)
[09:06] <buulian> am i in the right place?
[09:06] <cfg9976> which problems?
[09:06] <Seveas> buulian, what are the problems?
[09:06] <tovella> i hate the fact that many ubu.. packages don't work with debian ones.
[09:06] <Seveas> buulian, yes you are :)
[09:06] <buulian> i can't run .bin files
[09:06] <transgress> honestly if debian could do as much as ubuntu has and stop bickering... i might use their official distro again
[09:06] <Seveas> buulian, what are you trying to run?
[09:07] <transgress> Xenguy: true... they do... but will they always?
[09:07] <buulian> realplayer10
[09:07] <transgress> ack...
[09:07] <tovella> transgress: that may change with the new president - hopefully.
[09:07] <transgress> the taste of proprietary software makes me gag
[09:07] <buulian> what is the extension for executables
[09:07] <Seveas> buulian, try chmod +x filename.bin before running it
[09:07] <Xenguy> transgress: ideally, each should design their work to support the other
[09:07] <transgress> Xenguy: why?
[09:07] <GeneralCody> must say that this Hoary beats the shit out of all other Linux'es i've tried... Got my dwl-122 wireless up going and all is dandy.
[09:07] <Xenguy> transgress: otherwise, something important will have been lost IMHO
[09:07] <buulian> +x?
[09:07] <buulian> that should do it
[09:07] <djm62> yeah...debian are doing something that isn't ideal for many users,  but they're doing it reasonably well
[09:07] <Seveas> chmod +x filename +bin
[09:07] <Seveas> that makes it executable
[09:08] <Xenguy> transgress: 'more than the sum of the parts', and all that
[09:08] <buulian> ok thanks i'll try it right now
[09:08] <moj0rising> transgress, did you see my lines on the usb? I can print them again.
[09:08] <dcraven> buulian, there is no extension for exectutables in Linux.
[09:08] <transgress> moj0rising: PM them to me
[09:08] <tovella> mepis does some custom pacages too, but the overwhelming bulk uses debian repositories.
[09:08] <buulian> interesting
[09:08] <slept> buulian there are no extensions you can use file filename to find out
[09:08] <moj0rising> k..
[09:08] <djm62> just remember the 300 at thermopylae ;)
[09:08] <buulian> i'm used to winblows
[09:08] <dcraven> buulian, file extensions are unnecessary.
[09:08] <buulian> interesting
[09:08] <Xenguy> buulian: you poor man
[09:08] <Xenguy> :P
[09:08] <buulian> yeah
[09:08] <djm62> that's a ratio
[09:09] <dcraven> buulian, often used, but unnecessary. Useful for humans to see filetype at a glance.
[09:09] <buulian> i like programming there better right now though
[09:09] <nickrud> that's not a ratio, that was nearly infinity  :)
[09:09] <buulian> only because i'm not used to linux yet
[09:09] <Xenguy> buulian: I chuckle in your general direction
[09:09] <transgress> file ... my preferred way to see file types
[09:09] <transgress> because extensions can be liars
[09:09] <tovella> thank you all for your input about the non-profit for kids thing.
[09:09] <tovella> gotta go shower, eat, & to work.  BYE.
[09:09] <transgress> yeah me too
[09:09] <djm62> nickrud: I take it you started on classical rather than modern greek?
[09:09] <transgress> bye
[09:09] <cfg9976> is universe and multiverse good packages ?
[09:09] <Xenguy> transgress: l8r
[09:09] <dcraven> buulian, not a big difference really. Depends on what language or libraries you like I suppose.
[09:09] <Edgan> cfg9976: yes they are
[09:10] <cfg9976> is it maintained ?
[09:10] <nickrud> djm, yeah. I quit when I realized there were more grad students than undergrads
[09:10] <karljp> dj: what do yo umean by the 300 at thermopylae?
[09:10] <Seveas> cfg9976, usually
[09:10] <Seveas> they are maintained
[09:10] <Edgan> cfg9976: yes, though not timing from a security perspective
[09:10] <buulian> ok, i did that in the terminal, now ust click on the file?
[09:10] <Seveas> and 90% good packages
[09:10] <Edgan> cfg9976: I mean timely
[09:10] <moj0rising> transgress, sent.
[09:10] <moj0rising> oops.
[09:10] <dcraven> cfg9976, of course it's maintained. Whether they are good or not is sometimes a matter of opinion.
[09:10] <keffo> how do i enable DMA for my cdburner?
[09:10] <cfg9976> ok seveas
[09:10] <keffo> quick
[09:10] <djm62> karljp: last time I was buying hardware ;)
[09:10] <Seveas> keffo, sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/hdc
[09:11] <keffo> thanks
[09:11] <transgress> okay i'll help you real quick before i go moj0rising stay in the PM
[09:11] <cfg9976> are there just a copy of debian packages or are there modified for ubuntu?
[09:11] <Seveas> keffo, that is: if /dev/hdc is the burner :)
[09:11] <dcraven> buulian, or type "./filename" in terminal.
[09:11] <Seveas> cfg9976, some are modified
[09:11] <Seveas> some not
[09:11] <karljp> dj: I guess I still don't understand :)
[09:11] <djm62> karljp: sorry, http://www.hoplites.co.uk/html/thermopylae.html
[09:11] <Edgan> cfg9976: So if you use say squirrelmail from universe, you can expect it to work, and to probably see new releases. But if a new security problem comes up, don't expect them to job on top of getting a new release out for that security problem.
[09:12] <karljp> I guess I don't understand why you were referring to the battle
[09:12] <Seveas> Edgan, cfg9976, the security patches will be imported from debian though
[09:12] <buulian> seveas-i did that in terminal, but it still says that the file is of type unknown
[09:12] <Edgan> Seveas: in a timely manner?
[09:12] <Seveas> Edgan, yes
[09:12] <djm62> in terms of ratios...that was 300 versus the known universe ;)
[09:12] <Seveas> buulian, how are you trying to run it?
[09:12] <cfg9976> ok thanks
[09:12] <buulian> its on the desktop
[09:13] <Edgan> Seveas: so it is basically how quickly debian moves when it comes to universe/multiverse?
[09:13] <buulian> i'm just clicking on it, like in windows
[09:13] <buulian> is that not right?
[09:13] <Seveas> buulian, can you paste the output of ls -al ~/Desktop in a private message please
[09:13] <karljp> and you felt like one of the 300 last time you were buying hardware?
[09:13] <Seveas> Edgan, usually
[09:13] <Seveas> sometimes ubuntu is faster
[09:13] <Seveas> sometimes debian
[09:13] <karljp> whoah, I think I really missed something, and now we're spamming the channel rehashing it :)
[09:13] <transgress> hey i don't have my ubuntu box up right now
[09:13] <Edgan> Seveas: What is the common amount of time? hours, days, weeks?
[09:14] <transgress> can someone tell me if there is a digikam package
[09:14] <Seveas> edgan, depends
[09:14] <slept> I'm looking for a package with wich I can read keycodes for volume keys .. , I know there is /was one in debian but I  can't even find it there is keycodes the wrong expression to look for ?
[09:14] <Seveas> there really is nothing to say about that
[09:14] <Seveas> but no more than days i guess
[09:14] <karljp> xev
[09:14] <buulian> root@AVERATEC:/home/buulian # ls -al Desktop
[09:14] <buulian> total 5672
[09:14] <buulian> drwxrwxrwx   2 root    root       4096 2005-04-23 12:00 .
[09:14] <buulian> drwxr-xr-x  30 buulian buulian    4096 2005-04-23 12:03 ..
[09:14] <buulian> -rwxr-xr-x   1 buulian buulian 5787204 2005-04-23 12:00 RealPlayer10GOLD.bin
[09:14] <buulian> root@AVERATEC:/home/buulian #
[09:14] <Seveas> slept, what kind of hardware do you have?
[09:14] <karljp> run xev, then move the mouse over the window that pops up
[09:14] <karljp> and push the button
[09:14] <Edgan> Seveas: sounds better than I expected
[09:14] <karljp> if nothing comes up in the terminal you started for,
[09:15] <cavediver> Hi! Is there a program in Ubuntu that can create and seed torrents ?
[09:15] <djm62> slept: do you need to know the key codes? you can set shortcuts in gnome without knowing them
[09:15] <karljp> then your current keyboard driver doesn't know about those keycodes at all.
[09:15] <Edgan> cavediver: bittorrent
[09:15] <Seveas> buulian, can you, in a terminal type: ~/Desktop/RealPlayer10GOLD.bin
[09:15] <karljp> and yes, if you use gnome keyboard shortcuts, _and_ it has options for what you want to do (not always) the keycode is not so important
[09:15] <buulian> let me try
[09:15] <djm62> it does have volume options, which is all I have
[09:16] <Seveas> karljp that's not completely true
[09:16] <cavediver> Edgan: I have that installed, but i can't find out which program to start or what to do. I'd like a gui program
[09:16] <djm62> (other hotkey-thingmies aren't supported on linux for hp nx9020)
[09:16] <Seveas> karljp, setkeycodes can help...
[09:16] <blueyed> transgress, yes there's a digikam package.
[09:16] <cfg9976> are they ubuntu developers talking on this channel ? I just wonder me
[09:16] <Seveas> i need that to make my volume keys work
[09:16] <Edgan> cavediver: /usr/bin/btmaketorrentgui.py
[09:16] <buulian> it says that the command is not found
[09:16] <Seveas> cfg9976, sometimes they are
[09:17] <djm62> cfg9976: I think generally not...just fellow-travellers
[09:17] <Seveas> buulian, there seems to be a problem with the .bin file...
[09:17] <buulian> i can get the rpm
[09:17] <slept> seveas : it shouldn't depend on the hw ,logitech keyboard but I don't want to try all numbers
[09:17] <transgress> blueyed: thanks
[09:17] <DoppleGanger> mwa ha ha
[09:17] <cfg9976> ok Seveas
[09:18] <Seveas> slept, 'easiest' thing to do is google to see hoe others did did it
[09:18] <buulian> ok
[09:18] <cfg9976> Seveas, I ask me how the developers talk one to the other, to work in ubuntu ?
[09:19] <djm62> actually (though I'll probably never use them) does anyone know how I might get shortcut keys working on the HP nx9020? I don't think it's happening out of ay box
[09:19] <dcraven> buulian, this might be of some use too --> http://ubuntuguide.org/#realplayer
[09:19] <cfg9976> my english is not perfect may be
[09:19] <Seveas> cfg9976, another IRC channel, mailing lists (both public and internal) and phone...
[09:19] <dcraven> buulian, I suggest you bookmark that page.
[09:20] <Seveas> djm62, dunno if it will work, but on my HP nc6000 i need setkeycodes for the volume keys, the others work from the keyboard sortcut menu in gnome
[09:21] <cfg9976> phone, lol :-) , they can spend hours, isn't it ?
[09:21] <Seveas> cfg9976, for long conversations they use irc :)
[09:21] <Seveas> or the ubuntu conferences
[09:22] <buulian> awesome!
[09:22] <buulian> thanks, dcraven!
[09:22] <GeneralCody> ubuntu is superior
[09:22] <cfg9976> of course lol
[09:22] <dcraven> buulian, anytime.
[09:22] <jg> anyone here give me help with gnome and nfs?  I'm trying to get my home directories mounted remotely, and having trouble....
[09:22] <cfg9976> I presume all is in english
[09:22] <redduck666> GeneralCody, superior to what?
[09:23] <Seveas> cfg9976, most
[09:23] <karljp> anyone know how to make openoffice show the filename anywhere?
[09:23] <buulian> omg its working!
[09:23] <GeneralCody> redduck666, to the other linux'es I've tried
[09:23] <buulian> you're the best!
[09:23] <karljp> it doesn't show it on the title bar, or in any of the menus that I can find.
[09:23] <redduck666> GeneralCody, tried gentoo?
[09:23] <karljp> I have to go into file properties,
[09:23] <dcraven> buulian, it's Ubuntu's fault that it works, not mine ;P
[09:24] <cfg9976> does somebody knows tuxracer?
[09:24] <cens0red> redduck666 gentoo = real hackers distro no?
[09:24] <dcraven> cens0red, no.
[09:24] <cfg9976> I have no sound with it in ubuntu
[09:24] <GeneralCody> redduck666, I gave that up. too much of a hassle to install on multiple machines...
[09:24] <Xenguy> cens0red: real ricer ;-)
[09:24] <buulian> yeah, but i have to thank the messanger
[09:24] <shannon> Hi - ubuntu uses SoundJuicer with cdparanoia by default, am I right in thinking this results in slow cd ripping (but with good audio quality, error checking) as compared to using something else like lame?
[09:24] <dcraven> cens0red, same stuff, just source based.
[09:24] <redduck666> cens0red, gentoo=pain in the ass to install, i just wanted to know wether it is worth it
[09:24] <Seveas> shannon, lame is not a ripper
[09:25] <karljp> lame is an encoder
[09:25] <Seveas> and decoder
[09:25] <Seveas> so: codec :)
[09:25] <nickrud> karljp, you mean an already open document? the titlebar here has the file name
[09:25] <shannon> aah, lame is an encoder. And cdparanoia is a ripper but not an encoder?
[09:25] <djm62> Seveas: how did you get the keycodes? I have the opposite problem...volume keys are fine
[09:25] <karljp> my title bar has the document title, from file properties, not the filename :(
[09:25] <redduck666> cens0red, wasn't intened as spam
[09:25] <dcraven> spamming? I thought you asked.
[09:25] <djm62> Seveas: rather, the scancodes
[09:25] <karljp> but yeah, an already open document.
[09:26] <cens0red> well other than ubuntu, I've used mandrake. Ubuntu passes water over it, to use a metaphor.
[09:26] <karljp> hmm it works when it can edit the file
[09:26] <Seveas> djm62, if you knw the scancodes, you can set the keycodes
[09:26] <cens0red> redduck666 lol. Probably not. Just looked like it to someone who caught the tail end of the conversation.
[09:26] <karljp> but for readonly files it seems to show the doc title, not the filename
[09:26] <karljp> hooray for consistency
[09:26] <nickrud> ah, I don't assign titles to documents :)
[09:26] <djm62> Seveas: yeah...I mistyped: where can I get scancodes?
[09:27] <karljp> try xev first,
[09:27] <Seveas> karljp, no good for this purpose
[09:27] <karljp> not even for dj?
[09:27] <Seveas> there was a command you could type in a real terminal
[09:27] <djm62> I remembered right....xev still inert
[09:27] <Seveas> forgot its name though :S
[09:28] <slept> karljp thanks
[09:28] <cens0red> what would be a better distro for a server? ubuntu or debian?
[09:28] <Seveas> ubuntu
[09:28] <karljp> define "server"
[09:29] <dcraven> cens0red, flip a coin.
[09:29] <karljp> or look at what you actually want to serve
[09:29] <Seveas> djm62, was your laptop the hp one?
[09:29] <busfahrer> cens0red: Debian.
[09:29] <cens0red> karljp well for me it means a system I would set up to run apache. It's got to be stable as a pyramid, and needs no desktop.
[09:29] <Seveas> cens0red, ubuntu with server install
[09:30] <cens0red> Seveas there is an option to install as a server in the install wizard?
[09:30] <djm62> Seveas: yes
[09:30] <Edgan> cens0red: taking everything into account debian, but ubuntu is close. It also depends on how and what you do with the server.
[09:31] <Seveas> cens0red, yes, search the wiki on how to do it
[09:31] <Seveas> djm62, try e00a and e008
[09:31] <karljp> bah, openoffice is quirky.  who thought that word completion was a good idea?  and thought that experience should try to to complete to experienced.
[09:31] <djm62> Seveas: I need /slightly/ more context than that...try it where? the volume keys work fine
[09:32] <dcraven> karljp, if that stuff annoys, you might prefer Abiword.
[09:32] <Seveas> djm62, they work without fiddling in linux?
[09:33] <shannon> Will I get faster CD ripping if I use cdda2wav as compared to cdparanoia?
[09:33] <Seveas> djm62, i found the scancodes for my hp laptop via google :) you can use setkeycodes to map them to keycodes (add that to /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh)
[09:33] <Edgan> cens0red: I think ubuntu will likely be where it needs to be when it gets to 5.10
[09:33] <djm62> Seveas: well, you have to set them in gnome preferences to do vol up/down/mute, but no other fiddling.  I have an array of buttons along the top of the keyboard that just sit there
[09:33] <Seveas> djm62, google for your scancodes
[09:33] <Seveas> djm62, maybe this gives some context (the howto for another type of hp laptop) http://www.cs.duke.edu/~reynolds/nc6000-linux.html
[09:34] <Seveas> brb
[09:34] <Resonant> Anyone remember the Active Desktop feature from Windows 98+? Is their any replacement for that in Linux?
[09:34] <paul__> can anyone here help me set up support for a joypad in xmame?
[09:34] <cens0red> Edgan where does it "need" to be?
[09:35] <Edgan> cens0red: For what I do, it needs real software raid support and a few other things.
[09:35] <Seveas> Resonant, what are you trying to achieve? a webpage on your desktop?
[09:36] <karljp> seveas: and what's wrong with that?
[09:36] <Seveas> karljp, hm?
[09:36] <karljp> active desktop was unstable as hell, but it a reasonably nice idea.
[09:36] <Seveas> karljp, i don't say that it's bad...
[09:36] <karljp> sorry, the way you wrote it I thought you were questioning why he wanted something like ad
[09:37] <Seveas> just wanted to know the purpose...
[09:37] <Edgan> cens0red: for now Ubuntu makes a great laptop OS, decent desktop OS, and an not so good server OS.
[09:37] <transgress> okay anyone running wireless here?
[09:37] <Seveas> transgress, /me
[09:37] <Edgan> cens0red: At least for me
[09:37] <Resonant> Seveas, pretty much.
[09:37] <djm62> transgress: not at the moment, but I was yesterdayt
[09:37] <Seveas> WPA/802.1x/WEP and ndiswrapper worked
[09:37] <Resonant> I want to display http://www.ogame.org/ on my desktop
[09:37] <transgress> okay cool
[09:37] <Amaranth> Edgan: What's wrong with an Ubuntu server?
[09:37] <karljp> transgress: /me is
[09:37] <Resonant> To see resources for the game itself.
[09:37] <Seveas> Resonant, sorry, can't help with that....
[09:37] <dcraven> transgress, same.
[09:37] <transgress> Seveas: when you set it up did you have to know the essid?
[09:38] <transgress> or anyone
[09:38] <Edgan> Amaranth: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=4944
[09:38] <karljp> ndiswrapper 1.1 no wep or antything.
[09:38] <karljp> no, not when it was working properly
[09:38] <Seveas> transgress, yes you need to know the essid
[09:38] <transgress> basically i wanna test mine and i'm going to a friends that has it, but he isn't home and i don't know the essid, but he doesn't have wep or anything on it
[09:38] <karljp> when it was working properly, the gnome panel applet for network interfaces already had the essid in the drop down for me.
[09:38] <Raskall> I am using laptop-net to detect when I plug a cable into my ethernet port and bring up the interface. But this gives some trouble since I have a wlan-card too. i want to take down the wlan interface when I take the eth interface up. Anyone knows a hack for this?
[09:38] <Seveas> transgress, you can scan for the ssid :)
[09:38] <stuNNed> how can i get burning iso in nautilus to select burner speed?
[09:38] <karljp> seveas: does your AP not broadcast the essid?
[09:38] <transgress> Seveas: how do i do that?
[09:38] <karljp> iwlist scanning
[09:39] <djm62> transgress: essid any will find it if it's broadcast
[09:39] <transgress> djm62: okay cool
[09:39] <Seveas> hmm good one
[09:39] <Seveas> but too unsecure for me :)
[09:39] <karljp> raskall: do you actually want to take it down?
[09:39] <transgress> so i can just use that little gnome applet to set up the wireless then?
[09:39] <karljp> raskall: I thought the default interface metrics would take care of that automatically.
[09:39] <Raskall> karljp: theres no need to have it activated.
[09:39] <karljp> transgress: I did.
[09:39] <Seveas> transgress, yes, if you need no security or just WEP
[09:39] <karljp> raskall: fair enough :)
[09:39] <transgress> karljp: rock hard.  thanks.
[09:39] <transgress> Seveas: yeah it's wide open... he lives in the boonies
[09:40] <djm62> Seveas: you don't communicate anything important unencrypted over a wired connection anyway, do you?
[09:40] <Seveas> if you need WPA/RSN or 802.1x not :)
[09:40] <karljp> how did you go with the laptop-cable thing too?
[09:40] <Raskall> karljp: both interfaces get an ip, but the routing table gets fsckd up. Cant see my lan.
[09:40] <karljp> I'd really like to use that with my eth0 port.
[09:40] <Seveas> djm62, over wired i doo, but not wireless
[09:40] <stuNNed> how can i get burning iso in nautilus to select burner speed?
[09:40] <cens0red> Edgan what, specifically, is wrong with it as a server OS?
[09:40] <karljp> I think it's lame, to use a polite word, that ubuntu spends a minute trying to dhcpdiscover on an ethernet interface with no cable plugged in.
[09:41] <djm62> anyone in cafe nero is free to see my web browsing habits...
[09:41] <Raskall> karljp: I just "apt-get install laptop-net"ed and it worked. :)
[09:41] <EddieX> stuNNed, Go to Program -> System -> Configuration ed. -> nautilus
[09:41] <karljp> so you can actually have your eth0 intf enabled at boot and it works as you'd expect?
[09:41] <DeeBs> grr
[09:41] <Raskall> karljp: yup.
[09:41] <Seveas> karljp, planned to be fixed for breezy :)
[09:41] <karljp> I've got mine disabled presently, that would be nice.
[09:41] <karljp> seveas: good to hear.
[09:41] <DeeBs> anyone, an archive program that'll understand .exe
[09:42] <karljp> unzip
[09:42] <karljp> depends on the exe
[09:42] <DeeBs> wireless drivers
[09:42] <karljp> exe's could be packaged with all sorts of things
[09:42] <Edgan> cens0red: One thing is https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=4944
[09:42] <Seveas> karljp, if you know a bit about the working of ifup you can fix it yourself :)
[09:42] <Raskall> karljp: and when I take the laptop out of the docking it takes the eth0 down and when I plug it back in it takes the eth up.
[09:42] <karljp> seveas: I've heard I can, but that's not what I'm using linux for :)
[09:42] <Seveas> :)
[09:42] <karljp> I'm using linux to use it, not to fiddle with settings,
[09:42] <Edgan> cens0red: It could also use more server packages in main.
[09:42] <karljp> raskall: nifty!
[09:43] <Edgan> cens0red: squirrelmail would be good
[09:43] <karljp> deebs: unzip worked for my wireless drvers (broadcom 4306)
[09:43] <DeeBs> thats my exact card
[09:43] <djm62> Raskall: how much configuration does it take?
[09:43] <DeeBs> which drivers did you use?
[09:43] <Raskall> maybe a "pre-up ifdown eth0; rmmod orinoco_pci will do?
[09:44] <karljp> deebs: http://www.hoplites.co.uk/html/thermopylae.html
[09:44] <karljp> oops
[09:44] <karljp> fucking hell
[09:44] <karljp> why can't X have one goddamn cutbuffer instead of two
[09:44] <Raskall> djm62: if you have only the one nick its no config at all. at least it wasnt for me. Ubuntu installed and started everything with just "apt-get install laptop-net"
[09:44] <djm62> mmm....helpful link ;)
[09:44] <karljp> deebs: r81433
[09:44] <DeeBs> and it works fine i take it
[09:44] <nickrud> explains why debian's not going anywhere :)
[09:44] <karljp> couldn't tell yo uthe url sorry,
[09:44] <DeeBs> i'll try those ones
[09:44] <nickrud> s/anywhere/away
[09:44] <karljp> yeah, not doing anything fancy, not even wep
[09:45] <karljp> but works great.
[09:45] <cavediver> Anyone know if there is a java-plugin to ff for 64bits systems in the pipe ?
[09:45] <karljp> it was a showstopper for this install of linux
[09:45] <cavediver> I hate not being able to play online-poker in my ubuntu :=)
[09:45] <karljp> oh, and I couldn't get it to work on the livecd,
[09:45] <Edgan> cavediver: there is a java 1.4.2 amd64 plugin from blackdown
[09:45] <karljp> so don't try :)
[09:45] <DeeBs> i downloaded the wmp54GS driver that the ndiswrapper site recommends, but i'll take an in person "it works" over that any day
[09:45] <cavediver> It's not working so good.
[09:45] <Edgan> cavediver: still no 64bit flash though
[09:46] <stuNNed> EddieX: sorry, where again?
[09:46] <cavediver> Edgan: yes i know, but i have flash :=)
[09:46] <Edgan> cavediver: You could install firefox 32bit in a chroot
[09:46] <djm62> macromedia are terrible for that...nothin' but x86
[09:46] <cavediver> Edgan: that seems complicated.
[09:46] <EddieX> stuNNed, Lets take it private then
[09:46] <stuNNed> EddieX: ok
[09:46] <Edgan> cavediver: There are detailed insturctions
[09:46] <reagleBRKLN> java startup is slow in freemind, azureus, limewire, etc. is there a way to speed that up? stick something in a ramdisk, have the libs stay in memory?
[09:46] <nickrud> flash gets installed only when I need it, than it goes away :)
[09:46] <Zugot> with udev where are my logical volumes?  i can see them with vgdisplay, but i can't find them to mount them
[09:46] <dip> anyone know of any good pic ide controllers ?
[09:46] <karljp> deebs: mine's actually a dell truemobile 1350, I've been quite confused as to how well the different drivers work with each other :)
[09:47] <Edgan> cavediver: ubuntu really needs multi-arch, but multi-arch won't be in ubuntu until debain does it first.
[09:47] <Seveas> edgan, not true
[09:47] <Seveas> ubuntu has done many things before debian did
[09:47] <DeeBs> I'll try the ones you have, not a big deal to switch over if they don't ork like i want em to
[09:47] <karljp> I mean, how well does a dell 1350 bcm4306 XP driver work with an an actuall wmp54gs and so forth
[09:47] <Edgan> Seveas: Not what everthing I have read as said
[09:47] <bassMonkey> are the backports repositories down?
[09:47] <Seveas> x.org, gnome 2.10 to name a few
[09:47] <Edgan> Seveas: when it comes to multi-arch
[09:47] <djm62> Seveas: those are less difficult than multi-arch, I think
[09:47] <bassMonkey> Failed to fetch http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/backports/dists/hoary-extras/restricted/binary-i386/Packages.gz  500 Internal Server Error
[09:48] <Edgan> Seveas: I wasn't talking about debain doing everything first, just multi-arch
[09:48] <Seveas> bassMonkey, bacports suck, don't use them....
[09:48] <Seveas> they cause breakages all over the place
[09:48] <Edgan> Seveas: backports are pretty much required for things like gaim
[09:48] <Seveas> Edgan, gaim works like a charm here
[09:48] <Seveas> without backports
[09:48] <Edgan> Seveas: for now
[09:49] <djm62> Edgan: only if you use unstable protocols
[09:49] <karljp> reagle: are you on java 1.4, or 1.5?
[09:49] <bassMonkey> Seveas: that's my choice, do you know about their situation?
[09:49] <reagleBRKLN> karljp 1.5
[09:49] <karljp> ahh, well can't help then :)
[09:49] <karljp> don't use 1.4 :)
[09:49] <Edgan> djm62: Well, MSN and Yahoo are popular but unstable in a sense
[09:49] <reagleBRKLN> huh, oh, yes 1.5 is already better than 1.4
[09:50] <djm62> yahoo is terrible...MSN will keep working until breezy is close to release I reckon
[09:50] <reagleBRKLN> startup still sucks though. which there was something like oooqs for java
[09:50] <djm62> I gave up on yahoo because of the constant breakage
[09:50] <bassMonkey> ok, it seems they're moving to a new server, that explains it...
[09:50] <karljp> are there any clients beside gaim?
[09:51] <Seveas> karljp, there's amsn for msn
[09:51] <Edgan> djm62: I am on all the networks. Non-geek friends end up spread across them all
[09:51] <Seveas> dunno about others
[09:51] <transgress> clients for what besides gaim?
[09:51] <djm62> then again, apple are putting/have put jabber into iChat
[09:51] <Edgan> karljp: yeah, kontact I think is the kde im client
[09:51] <fangorious> how do I run memtest from the install cd?
[09:51] <Edgan> fangorious: I don't think you can
[09:51] <transgress> i use jabber for my needs... rarely get on aim anymore, but i psi for all... or gossip on my lappy
[09:52] <djm62> Edgan: I too have a few networks (including, god help me, gadu-gadu)...yahoo is far too much effort, easier to phone
[09:52] <Edgan> djm62: I am using skype more and more these days
[09:52] <EddieX> fangorious, Check your boot options if it is available otherwise you could fetch the memtest?s official iso and boot with
[09:52] <Edgan> EddieX: I checked the boot options didn't see it
[09:52] <EddieX> fangorious, i think it is F1 or something at boot. (memtest86.com) i think
[09:52] <djm62> Edgan: I tried it briefly, but never got past "how novel" since I don't know anyone that can install software
[09:53] <aeho> I have one simple question: in http://icculus.org/duke3d/ what dir "Copy the installed game dir to your Linux system" does mean?
[09:53] <EddieX> Edgan, ok, then i guess you have to fetch their iso or install Ubuntu :) I prefer Ubuntu though ;)
[09:53] <Jet2k5> what packages do I need to view videos?
[09:53] <Jet2k5> w32codecs?
[09:53] <aeho> I mean what system dir it means
[09:53] <djm62> Jet2k5: depends on the video format...
[09:54] <Edgan> djm62: It is far more than a novelty now. You can call real number out from it, and get your own number for people to call in to you. They also have phones that support skype, so you don't have to use a headset
[09:54] <EddieX> Jet2k5, should do it, and a player for the movies, i use totem-xine works fine
[09:54] <Jet2k5> yeah
[09:54] <karljp> edgan: real numbers where?
[09:54] <karljp> just in +1?
[09:54] <Jet2k5> just like .wmv .mpg
[09:54] <liable> Jet2k5: yes just download them, they wont hurt you
[09:54] <tovella> Jet2k5: i used mplayer even without w32codecs
[09:54] <djm62> Jet2k5: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[09:54] <Jet2k5> some videos form abum.com
[09:54] <Jet2k5> k thanks
[09:54] <Edgan> karljp: As in (area code) number
[09:54] <karljp> yes, but only in the +1 country code?
[09:55] <Edgan> karljp: no, world wide, but obviously not in all countries, and not even in all area codes in the US
[09:55] <Edgan> karljp: I can't get a local number here yet, but my father can and has
[09:55] <karljp> this is with the skypeout stuff?
[09:55] <djm62> Edgan: even if it was just more widespread on pc to pc it would be more than a novelty...but I still wouldn't know anyone that could install software, and you can't out-design a plain old telephone
[09:56] <Edgan> karljp: skypein, skypeout is like per minute long distance
[09:56] <Edgan> djm62: You can get plain old phones that support skype.
[09:56] <Edgan> djm62: They just use your broadband instead of phone line
[09:57] <djm62> Edgan: I already have a phone though...this is scotland, not california, we're not getting pelted with new-tech at reasonable prices
[09:58] <qkslvrwolf> lol
[09:58] <qkslvrwolf> djm62, lol
[09:58] <hor> I want to to mount a directory of another PC with NFS. when i enter "mount -t nfs 192.168.0.2:/test /test", *nothing* happens. Any ideas?
[09:58] <djm62> qkslvrwolf: caledonian?
[09:58] <nickrud> at least europe has better wireless phones, I hear
[09:58] <Edgan> djm62: what does your number start with? 020?
[09:58] <ompaul> djm62, you can get a number - skype in you can skype out to almost any location on planet earth for a couple of cent - typically there are over 1.7 million people connected at any one time
[09:59] <_guMuTpoB> I installed ubuntu i have no option to boot into my other OS , how can I add it ?
[09:59] <djm62> nickrud: mobile phones, you mean? yeah, they're ubiquitous and good...also used for micropayments here
[09:59] <nickrud> micropayments??
[09:59] <ompaul> djm62 what is the value of a micropayment?
[09:59] <sproingie> microscopic ;)
[10:00] <djm62> ompaul, Edgan: at no point have I suggested that I "couldn't" do it...just that it would be expensive to make it as easy as phoning
[10:00] <ompaul> djm62, well I take calls on a land line but I make a lot of calls on skype
[10:01] <Edgan> I don't have a land line. Just my cable, dsl, cell phone, and skype.
[10:01] <abinadid> anybody running xlink kai????
[10:01] <ompaul> Edgan, you look like you could use asterix :-)
[10:02] <Edgan> ompaul: I tried asterix@home, it sucked
[10:02] <aninha> can someone please help me
[10:02] <ompaul> Edgan, how so?
[10:02] <EddieX> How do i activate subtitle in totem-xine? ;)
[10:02] <stuNNed> EddieX: check the xine_config or something in your ~?
[10:02] <ompaul> aninha, what is the question?
[10:02] <djm62> besides, I'd hate to get stuck if skype started charging and changing protocol...if a free equivalent turns up, I'd be more willing to invest money in hardware
[10:02] <aninha> i installed firestarter, shared the connection but the other computer doesnt seem to connect
[10:02] <EddieX> stuNNed, Hehe, ok :)
[10:03] <Edgan> ompaul: gui wasn't enough, text configs are as bad as sendmail cf, sound quality was low, it was buggy, etc
[10:03] <stuNNed> EddieX: one sec
[10:03] <_guMuTpoB> how can I add other os options to grub ?
[10:03] <aninha> do i have to put something in the gateway
[10:03] <aninha> of the pc that is sharing
[10:03] <abinadid> could like anybody helpme with xlink kai????
[10:03] <stuNNed> EddieX: /home/user/.gnome2/totem_config
[10:03] <Edgan> djm62: free as in beer or speach?
[10:03] <karljp> which one is that meant to mean
[10:03] <EddieX> stuNNed, ok
[10:03] <karljp> when was the last time you saw free beer
[10:03] <djm62> Edgan: speech...I'd pay for that
[10:04] <aninha> ompaul, and do i have to put a gateway on the host
[10:04] <djm62> libre, pas gratuit ;)
[10:04] <Edgan> djm62: The closest is asterix.
[10:04] <nickrud> karljp, you don't go to the right parties :)
[10:04] <ompaul> Edgan, I have seen the configs - but I have a lot of telco work in my past :-) so that was not an issue, quality I'll give you that as a minus point big time
[10:04] <karljp> the beer there isn't realyl free either
[10:04] <Jimmothy> i'm having trouble with libdvdcss
[10:04] <karljp> you're expected to provide witty entertainment
[10:04] <ompaul> aninha, I don't know that software
[10:04] <Jimmothy> its installed but not working
[10:04] <nickrud> yeah, you reciprocate
[10:05] <djm62> the beer helps with that
[10:05] <karljp> so not free, some would say
[10:05] <aninha> its somekind of firewall
[10:05] <Jet2k5> ok, now I don't have any sound from totem
[10:05] <aninha> its in the ubuntu repositories
[10:05] <Jet2k5> video plays fine with the plugin, but not with sound
[10:05] <aninha> well...thanks anyway
[10:05] <karljp> who stole the cork to my dinner?
[10:05] <ompaul> aninha, maybe so but I do not know the software
[10:05] <nickrud> sorry, aninha
[10:05] <schasi> who stole the food to my dinner?
[10:05] <aninha> thank u guys
[10:05] <inva|id> where do I change the value of localhost.localdomain
[10:05] <aninha> u always do help
[10:06] <aninha> thanks
[10:06] <Edgan> ompaul: I have heard of some really cool asterix setups, and that a lot of computers are getting into the busy of setting it up for companies. But it needs to improve a lot.
[10:06] <karljp> just for laughs, has anyone got sound working in java1.5 on ubuntu?
[10:06] <liable> inva|id: /etc/hosts
[10:06] <ompaul> aninha, if you wait a while maybe someone who knows it will be able to help
[10:06] <karljp> edgan: yeah, it should, just like commerical voip has gotten better by leaps and bounds
[10:06] <inva|id> liable: ty
[10:06] <Jet2k5> anyone?
[10:07] <karljp> you just need to wait for there to be more professionals using voip systems and wnating better ones, and more people getting used to the setups and wanting them.
[10:07] <ompaul> Edgan, I have seen it in some cool setups :-) but I have not used it at home
[10:07] <aninha> ill do that then
[10:07] <karljp> open source has developer motivation problems at times.
[10:07] <Edgan> karljp: there is also the sip vs. iax(2) mess. Where everyone uses sip, but should be using something like iax2
[10:07] <karljp> don't even start with me :)
[10:07] <foxiness> hi all
[10:07] <karljp> does skype use sip or their own thing?
[10:08] <Edgan> own
[10:08] <karljp> that's what I thought
[10:08] <Xenguy> karljp: their own thing AFAIK
[10:08] <karljp> I seem to remember some people at work bitching about that.
[10:08] <karljp> cos they had sip handsets, and stuff,
[10:08] <Anlar> karjljp: tweaked sip, incompatible.
[10:08] <Burgundavia> some wierd propietary protocol
[10:08] <Xenguy> karljp: it's very proprietary
[10:08] <karljp> free! but not open
[10:08] <Anlar> karljp: they built their own authentication & encryption stuff on it..
[10:08] <karljp> perhaps worse than simply paytoplay
[10:08] <Edgan> karljp: yeah, skype is incompatiable, but from my perspective a superior product to packet8/vonage, etc
[10:08] <karljp> as it encourages a lock in.
[10:09] <ompaul> my view is that this convergence stuff will change the way we communicate much more than the internet has done - we will see huge companies just doing data and small companies doing voice (well maybe)
[10:09] <Jet2k5> anyone, my sounds isn't working :(
[10:09] <liable> Jet2k5: in what?
[10:09] <karljp> ompaul: things are chanigng, but I'm not sure I follow what you mean about big and small companies
[10:09] <karljp> no big company is goingn to be content to just be a data carrier and let someone else do the value add downthe line
[10:09] <ompaul> karljp, well the bandwidth provision will be large companies letting space to small 'local' providers
[10:10] <foxiness> if i move or copy one 1000 files on folder 1000 and 1000 include 500 the same on my 1000 , if i try to do cp -a /home/foxiness/1000 than he will ask me 500 times :) , n n n n
[10:10] <karljp> you mean, like right now?
[10:10] <Edgan> foxiness: disable interactive
[10:10] <Edgan> foxiness: or use -f in that case
[10:10] <ompaul> karljp, no in the near future joe bloggs getting an account with a big telco will not happen
[10:11] <foxiness> Edgan, -f is this force "is this no or yes" than
[10:11] <Edgan> foxiness: it neutralizes -i, which causes it to ask yes or no
[10:12] <Edgan> foxiness: so cp -af /home/foxiness/1000
[10:12] <Jet2k5> liable, in totem
[10:12] <Jet2k5> I downloaded w32codecs and totem-xine
[10:12] <Edgan> foxiness: personally I just disable the alias that enables -i in the first place
[10:12] <ompaul> karljp, the existing telco companies will become more like shells of themselves - bandwidth will be the measure not the amount of calls - and call solutions will become more varied
[10:12] <ompaul> karljp, s/call/voice/
[10:12] <liable> Jet2k5: change the sound driver?
[10:13] <Jet2k5> liable, I don't understand
[10:13] <Jet2k5> sounds works
[10:13] <Jet2k5> like I'm lisenign to music
[10:13] <Jet2k5> but not in totem
[10:13] <Jet2k5> and when I first started totem, it kept on crashing
[10:13] <karljp> ompaul: again, you mean like today :)
[10:13] <foxiness> Edgan, thanks , great trick
[10:13] <hussam> ubuntu comes with xscreensaver 4.16. will installing 4.21 from debian.org unstable work?
[10:13] <ompaul> karljp, that is not the method everywhere today
[10:13] <fejaor> how can I configure the resolution of my monitor if ubuntu just give me the option of 640x480??
[10:13] <karljp> the existing major telco companies in most theatres are mostly datanetworks now, and
[10:14] <Edgan> hussam: maybe, though ubuntu seems to customize it nicely
[10:14] <karljp> they still have large ss5 networks sure,
[10:14] <liable> Jet2k5: totem has a configuration/preferences tab?
[10:14] <karljp> but they do heaps and heaps and heaps of data network, and also do voice,
[10:14] <nickrud> hussam, not a good idea
[10:14] <karljp> voice sells, they'r enot going to stop doing it.
[10:14] <Edgan> fejaor: does it know the correct monitor?
[10:14] <fejaor> yes
[10:14] <hussam> nickrud: why?
[10:14] <foxiness> Edgan, some times i need to say to all no and some times yes how can i do that
[10:15] <fejaor> I just reinstall ubuntu and this is new for me cause on the last installation, it allowed me to change it for different configurations
[10:15] <hussam> nickrud: aren't they compatible?
[10:15] <Jet2k5> yeah but they didn't do anything
[10:15] <nickrud> hussam, maybe, but maybe not.
[10:15] <Edgan> fejaor: then try screen resolution from the menus, if that doesn't work, you will need to edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[10:15] <nickrud> hussam, when I use debian unstable, I use debian unstable
[10:15] <nickrud> when I use ubuntu, I use ubuntu :)
[10:15] <fejaor> that's what I already tried....screen resolution but didn't work
[10:15] <Edgan> foxiness: all yes, -f, all no, ctrl-c
[10:16] <Edgan> fejaor: and hence it probably doesn't know your monitor correctly
[10:16] <liable> schasi: gprs?
[10:16] <schasi> huh?
[10:16] <schasi> what do you mean?
[10:16] <fejaor> how can I change the configuration or the file in order to set the monitor correctly if this is the problem?
[10:17] <fejaor> how can I fix this?
[10:17] <Edgan> fejaor: You need to know your monitors horizontal and vertical numbers
[10:18] <Edgan> fejaor: what monitor
[10:18] <foxiness> after i install ubuntu i can not access fedora
[10:18] <Edgan> foxiness: haha
[10:18] <fejaor> well my monitor allowx the 600, 1024 and the rest of them that I don't remember
[10:18] <Jaromba> Could I install Ubuntu on an old Pentium 200MMX?
[10:18] <slept> hussam you can always get sourcecode and compile it yourself and make packages out of that but the dependencies and their versions have to be correct - it's not worth it for screensavers
[10:19] <Edgan> foxiness: You will need to decide which is going to be your distro to handle grub. You can't have both using grub. Also hopefully you still actually have both installed
[10:19] <qkslvrwolf_> Jaromba, how much ram?
[10:19] <Edgan> fejaor: I mean as in model
[10:19] <Jaromba> 192MB.
[10:19] <Jet2k5> liable, nope still nothing
[10:19] <hussam> slept: I guess I'll just try it on my test machine.
[10:19] <fejaor> is an AMPTRON CS17
[10:19] <qkslvrwolf_> it would probably work ok but its not gonna be snappy
[10:19] <karljp> what's the script that helps you setup links in /etc/rcX?
[10:19] <equim--> fejaor.. I had the same problem when I installed earlier today
[10:20] <nickrud> karljp, update-rc.d
[10:20] <karljp> ta
[10:20] <equim--> I just had to add my monitors horizontal and vertical scan rates to the xorg.conf file
[10:20] <slept> fejaor: you can use read-edid to find out your monitors capabillities , use  sudo get-edid |parse-edid
[10:21] <karljp> so update-rc.d name remove leaves the script in /etc/init.d but gets rid of all the links from rcX?
[10:21] <Jaromba> qkslvrwolf_ Is it possible to use a leaner Window Manager than Gnome?
[10:21] <nickrud> yes
[10:21] <fejaor> it is extrange because is the latest edition of ubuntu...I just downloaded yesterday....but with the one I had (I downloaded about a month ago) It worked without a problem
[10:21] <cavediver> qkslvrwolf_: yes, apt-get install xfce4 for example
[10:21] <nickrud> karljp, if you want it to stay over an upgrade, leave the kill link in 6
[10:21] <cavediver> qkslvrwolf_: then choose cfce in session manager in gdm.
[10:22] <nickrud> if there are no links in any rcx, the upgrade will recreate them all
[10:22] <fejaor> the command is not working
[10:22] <karljp> don't really care, it's webfsd, I want to be able to start it when I want, not run it at bootup on /var/ftp all the time.
[10:22] <karljp> and dpkg-reconfigure wasn't any help with that
[10:22] <slept> fejaor, did you install read-edid ?
[10:22] <Jaromba> qkslvrwolf_: Thanks - I will give it a try.
[10:23] <fejaor> I just installed ubuntu and don't know if read-edid is in the original package of ubuntu
[10:23] <DeeBs> crap
[10:23] <karljp> hmm, tha twas specatularly unsuccessful.
[10:23] <Edgan> fejaor: http://www.amptron.com/html/monitor_cs17display.html
[10:23] <slept> fejaor, it isn#t you have to install it
[10:24] <karljp> ls rc* | grep 'S.*webfs' | wc -l == 4
[10:24] <fejaor> how?
[10:24] <DeeBs> ok, trying to make ndiswrapper, the wiki tells me to just go make deb
[10:24] <Edgan> fejaor: that url has the horiz and vert numbers
[10:24] <DeeBs> but it fails and gives me: dpkg-gencontrol: error: current build architecture amd64 does not appear in package's list (i386)
[10:24] <fejaor> ok.....do I have to download the driver for this, Edgan??
[10:24] <DeeBs> code 65280
[10:24] <Edgan> fejaor: no
[10:24] <fejaor> so what's next??
[10:24] <Edgan> fejaor: just edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf as root and change it to have the correct numbers
[10:25] <karljp> hmm, webfsd vs webfs was my problem.
[10:25] <slept> fejaor, go to a terminal, sudo apt-get install read-edid, then do  sudo get-edid |parse-edid
[10:25] <karljp> 0 now, much better :)
[10:25] <fejaor> done
[10:25] <Levander> The parted manual says that if I resize a partition, I need to rebuild grub's Stage2 file.  Anybody got any idea how to do this?
[10:25] <qkslvrwolf> my interent is all jacked up today
[10:25] <qkslvrwolf> arrrgh!
[10:25] <fejaor> now what?
[10:26] <fejaor> I have the capability of 1024x768
[10:26] <Edgan> fejaor: do what I said above
[10:27] <Anlar> sigh.
[10:28] <nanophase> hi
[10:28] <abinadid> anybody running xlink kai???
[10:29] <fejaor> what's exactly the thing I have to change from the file edgan??
[10:29] <Resonant> Anyone got any clue when there will be new deb packages of the new ATi drivers?
[10:29] <Edgan> fejaor: the monitor's horiz and vert numbers, which you can get from the url above
[10:30] <nickrud> fejaor, if you like I can walk you through that on a private chat
[10:30] <hans_> i just installed realplayer and wanted to start it by using the shortcut but nothing happened. can anybody help?
[10:30] <abinadid> that is the only aplication i need to to use
[10:30] <Edgan> fejaor: then you need to change the supported resolutions in the display section at the end of the file
[10:30] <Resonant> I've never had luck with building from source and ATi on Ubuntu.
[10:30] <spine> has anyone installed a quickview cam on hoary?
[10:31] <X|rtam> hey everybody - I'm super new to linux, and I'm just looking for a little starter help - I just downloaded the Ubuntu ISO, and I thought, if I booted with the cd, that I could start it up without affecting my current OS... but I tried it and it just seems as though it's trying to format/install... or am I just losing it?
[10:31] <Resonant> spine: Have you just tried plugging it in? Hotplug should auto-modprobe the drivers.
[10:31] <fejaor> sure nickrud...thanks
[10:31] <nanophase> X|rtam:  you want the Live CD then :0
[10:31] <nanophase> X|rtam:  not the install CD
[10:31] <X|rtam> aahh, thats what I thought I downloaded... my bad
[10:31] <Resonant> Xlrtam, yep, get the LiveCD.
[10:31] <spine> Resonant: yeah didn't work Gnomemeeting doesn't see any devices
[10:31] <stuNNed> X|rtam: afaik i don't know if you can resize your other OS install, can you guys?
[10:31] <stego> Why does the Guide's way of installing the nvidia drivers not comment out 'Load "dri"' in xorg.conf? The nvidia instructions tell you to do so. Do I need it commented?
[10:32] <Resonant> What did dmesg say when you plugged it in?
[10:32] <X|rtam> do you have a link?
[10:32] <hans_> i just installed realplayer and wanted to start it by using the shortcut but nothing happened. can anybody help?
[10:32] <nanophase> X|rtam:  me? no
[10:32] <Lufomir> checked http://www.hugon.7u.pl
[10:32] <spine> Resonant: one sec I'll let you know
[10:32] <fejaor> well edgan, the screen resolution in the last part of the file indicates that I have all the resolutions correctly
[10:32] <X|rtam> oh... got it
[10:32] <X|rtam> thanks guys
[10:32] <X|rtam> appreciate it
[10:32] <fejaor> send me the request again nickrud
[10:32] <Resonant> NO problem.
[10:33] <qkslvrwolf> hans_, did you install from an ubuntu repository?
[10:33] <Resonant> Er, sticky shift key. :-X
[10:33] <Edgan> fejaor: what about the monitor numbers above?
[10:33] <hans_> yes from the hoary repository
[10:34] <fejaor> Section "Monitor"
[10:34] <fejaor> 	Identifier	"B1770NSL"
[10:34] <fejaor> 	Option		"DPMS"
[10:34] <fejaor> EndSection
[10:34] <fejaor> that's what I got on my monitor section
[10:34] <qkslvrwolf> in that case I don't know...I had some problems with some stuff that I just dl'ed and installed...
[10:34] <wbeck85> hey, anyone have any trouble reading windows partitions lately? NTFS and VFat?
[10:34] <Edgan> fejaor: you need something more like
[10:34] <qkslvrwolf> sorry dude
[10:35] <rob111> help
[10:35] <rob111> on 2 counts
[10:35] <rob111> firstly my firefox has stopped working
[10:35] <rob111> it wont load up
[10:35] <rob111> any ideas
[10:35] <wbeck85> have you installed anything since itstopped working, rob?
[10:36] <rob111> not that i can think of
[10:36] <wbeck85> weird
[10:36] <rob111> im trying to get wireles network up
[10:36] <rob111> and its giving m hell
[10:36] <nanophase> rob111:  start it from a terminal and see what it says
[10:36] <rob111> whats the command at terminal window
[10:36] <wbeck85> mozilla-firefox
[10:37] <Lufomir> checked http://www.hugon.7u.pl
[10:37] <slept> wbeck85, did you mount -t ntfs?
[10:37] <rob111> libxpt: bad magic header in input file; found '', expected 'XPCOM\nTypeLib\r\n\032'
[10:37] <spine> Resonant: usb 2-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 3
[10:37] <wbeck85> hmmm, ill try it, thanks slept
[10:37] <rob111> is it possible to use get-apt to d/l a copy
[10:38] <nanophase> rob111:  apt-get install
[10:38] <spine> Resonant: any clue?
[10:38] <rob111> then firefox on the end
[10:38] <nanophase> yeah
[10:38] <GeneralCody> can someone help me out? How to set DMA parameters for /dev/hdc? tried hdparm -d /dev/hdc, but I can only get and not set the parameter...
[10:39] <hans_> i just installed realplayer and wanted to start it by using the shortcut but nothing happened. can anybody help?
[10:39] <rob111> just says it already latest version
[10:39] <crimsun> GeneralCody: -d1
[10:39] <djm62> GeneralCody: you should be using -d1
[10:39] <GeneralCody> crimsun, thanx
[10:39] <GeneralCody> crimsun, knew it was something I forgot...
[10:39] <wbeck85> @slept> how would i do that? "&sudo mount -t ntfs" or "$ sudo mount -t /dev/hda1 /media/windows"
[10:40] <GeneralCody> crimsun, where can i put it so it survives boot? /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh ?
[10:40] <nanophase> rob111:  here please
[10:40] <rob111> ok
[10:40] <rob111> well i carnt d/l a version of firefox
[10:40] <rob111> so what do i do to get it up again
[10:40] <slept> wbeck85, -t ntfs /dev/.. , you can add id to fstab aswell
[10:40] <nanophase> apt-get update && apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[10:40] <nanophase> or just use synaptic
[10:41] <maddler> hmmm... am I the only one having problem with last KDEWEBDEV update?
[10:41] <maddler> (amd64)
[10:41] <torpid> why does new egg always have bizarre server errors that make it impossible for me to place my order?!
[10:41] <rob111> nanophase, just says uve got latest version
[10:41] <nanophase> rob111:  apt-get --reinstall install mozil...
[10:41] <karljp> anyone know why openoffice would have made such a badly damaged pdf with export?
[10:41] <karljp> http://beeroclock.net:4848/docs/resumes/karl_palsson-resume-industria-april-2005.pdf
[10:42] <nanophase> rob111:  maybe delete your ~/.firefox or .mozilla or whateve
[10:42] <karljp> it looks fine in open office, but it's just one long page, and it's totally destroyed font stuff.
[10:42] <karljp> spacing is all dead
[10:43] <rob111> ok
[10:43] <djm62> karljp: no idea...that's a mess: google on
[10:43] <KriegGoD> gamejun  23071     1  1 Apr19 ?        01:00:18 [xmms]  <defunct>
[10:43] <KriegGoD> How would i kill this? i tried killall -9 xmms and kill -9 23071, nothing is working. it's chewing my cpu up. and rebooting is not an option
[10:43] <Resonant> spine: sorry about that
[10:43] <djm62> "kerning" might help
[10:44] <Resonant> spine: You may have to recompile your kernel with drivers for it. Specifically Video4Linux.
[10:44] <Anlar> you managed to get xmms defunct? nice. :)
[10:44] <Resonant> spine: Search around on ubuntuforums, Im SURE there's something there
[10:44] <rob111> ok well ive got it reinstalling now
[10:44] <rob111> has anyone tried to get a wireless card to work on a laptop
[10:44] <rob111> ?
[10:45] <djm62> rob111: mine worked OOTB, I'm afraid
[10:45] <karljp> dj: do you think print to a file (PS) and then ps2pdf would be any different?
[10:45] <karljp> it's probably the same right?
[10:45] <karljp> (bcause I can't work out how to print to a file anyway)
[10:45] <wbeck85> @slept, thanks, its readable again. Weird though because yesterday, both my NTFS (read) and vfat(read and write) partitions were accessable, last night, i booted into windows to install/play CS:S and i just booted back to hoary and both partions were inaccessable...
[10:45] <djm62> karljp: ...probably (there is a difference between latex->ps-pdf and pdflatex)
[10:46] <rob111> hmm
[10:46] <karljp> OO uses latex internally, not xml/xslt?
[10:46] <rob111> its driving me mad the laptop has a built in wifi = wont work, so i bought a pci card
[10:46] <rob111> and that wont work ahhhhh
[10:46] <torpid> does anyone ever get this error with newegg about a tax option if you live in california?
[10:46] <djm62> karljp: no idea...but the two forms of output aren't necessarily equivalent
[10:47] <karljp> rob: what wireless card do you have built in?
[10:47] <slept> wbeck85, thats strange
[10:47] <djm62> rob111: why didn't you find one natively supported, if you were buying?
[10:47] <wbeck85> how would I add the mount -t ntfs to my fstab? the line reads like this currently "dev/hda1       /media/windows  ntfs    umask=0222,noauto,user      0       0"
[10:47] <wbeck85> it is strange though
[10:47] <wbeck85> certainly
[10:47] <karljp> wbeck: mine looks like http://beeroclock.net:4848/docs/resumes/karl_palsson-resume-industria-april-2005.pdf
[10:48] <andrewski> if i want to downgrade my nvidia driver version, which packages would i need to downgrade?
[10:48] <karljp> goddamn pasting sucks
[10:48] <karljp> /dev/hda1       /c              ntfs    umask=0222
[10:48] <rob111> well pcworld dosent sell em
[10:48] <djm62> is this the dual X paste buffer playing up?
[10:48] <karljp> yes
[10:48] <crimsun> andrewski: nvidia-glx, nvidia-kernel-common, linux-image-$(uname -r), linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r)
[10:48] <karljp> I think shift-insert only comes from one of them.
[10:49] <stuNNed> crimsun: hi
[10:49] <karljp> and that's what I use if I'm typing
[10:49] <crimsun> stuNNed: hi
[10:49] <karljp> I think I should just get autocutsel,
[10:49] <andrewski> crimsun: ah, ok, no wonder.  could i just change back to warty, downgrade those packages, and rechange back to hoary?
[10:49] <karljp> rob: so what card do you actually have built in?
[10:49] <wbeck85> @karljip, thanks for the resume, lol, is it going to help me?
[10:49] <karljp> ndis1.1 doesn't work for you?
[10:49] <djm62> rob111: but buying hardware that isn't supported nicely is just charity...
[10:49] <rob111> its a prism built in card and a linksys pci
[10:50] <crimsun> andrewski: probably just want to readd the main restricted deb line and explicitly pass the version to aptitude
[10:50] <karljp> wbeck: the next line I pasted has how my ntfs is in my fstab, and it jus tworks for me.
[10:50] <rob111> /var/log/user.log:Apr 24 21:57:35 localhost loadndisdriver: loadndisdriver: main(629): version 1.1 doesn't match driver version 1.0rc2
[10:50] <crimsun> andrewski: then remove after you've done that
[10:50] <karljp> you were asking how to specify the -t ntfs,
[10:50] <andrewski> crimsun: and is there any reason i should keep 2.6.10?
[10:50] <wbeck85> yeah
[10:50] <karljp> ah yeah, tha tproblem.
[10:50] <karljp> you need to purge the existing stuff
[10:50] <karljp> have you read the ubuntu wiki ndis howto?
[10:50] <crimsun> andrewski: it's a more solid kernel?
[10:50] <karljp> it works pretty well, don't try and take any shortcuts :)
[10:51] <rob111> i did
[10:51] <djm62> I thought prism didn't need ndis
[10:51] <karljp> andrewski: and the 2.6.11 package from ubuntu doesn't work.
[10:51] <rob111> thats how ive done it
[10:51] <karljp> well, if you followed all the steps, then you wouldn't still have any 1.0rc2 stuff left.
[10:51] <rob111> hmm
[10:51] <rob111> u got the page again
[10:51] <rob111> ill go for it over
[10:51] <karljp> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SetupNdiswrapperHowto
[10:51] <karljp> it worked for me,
[10:51] <andrewski> karljp: ah, sorry.  i mean, any reason i should keep 2.6.10... instead of downgrading to 2.6.8 (IIRC)?
[10:51] <mainer> the 2.6.11-i386,i-686 kernels crashed ubuntu and kubuntu repeatedly on my comp
[10:52] <crimsun> andrewski: same answer as above.
[10:52] <crimsun> mainer: you'd need to boot with "noinotify"
[10:52] <andrewski> crimsun: 2.6.10 is more stable?
[10:52] <karljp> mainer: 11 will work with noinotify, but that may not be of any use to you
[10:52] <Amplificator> Are any bandwidth limiters avalilble?
[10:52] <crimsun> andrewski: than 2.6.8, afaik
[10:52] <karljp> mainer: inotify is used by ndiswrappre for isntance
[10:52] <andrewski> crimsun: oh well.  X locks up ATM anyway. :P
[10:53] <mainer> they booted fine,but using the system caused random lock-ups,i had to poer on/off
[10:53] <djm62> O E M
[10:53] <bassMonkey> Is there any way I could force an unmount of a partition?
[10:53] <crimsun> andrewski: and you're positive it doesn't have anything to do with the [lack of]  use of agpgart?
[10:53] <cusco> hi
[10:53] <andrewski> crimsun: i'm having the (very common) problem with the nvidia 7174 driver.
[10:53] <cusco> I used apt to install libpng3 as it follows:
[10:53] <cusco> Setting up libpng3 (1.2.8rel-1) ...
[10:54] <cusco> and
[10:54] <andrewski> crimsun: is that what you're talking about?
[10:54] <cusco> configure: error: You need libpng to compile Armagetron.
[10:54] <karljp> bass: not force per se, but umount -l might be helpful
[10:54] <djm62> bassMonkey: lsof | grep (mountpoint)
[10:54] <karljp> (testing, ignore 11 ll )
[10:54] <crimsun> andrewski: I don't know of a "very common problem" with 7174...
[10:55] <andrewski> crimsun: X locks up with RenderAccel on... http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=31858
[10:55] <bassMonkey> djm62: ok, so what do I do with that?
[10:55] <GeneralCody> anybody know where to get the xine plugin for firefox? (to play streaming)
[10:55] <chavo> andrewski, I uninstalled the 7174 drivers, then installed the 6629 one with the Nvidia installer. No more lockups here.
[10:55] <andrewski> chavo: did you do so in ubuntu or did you download from nvidia?
[10:55] <djm62> bassMonkey: that will show you what processes are using the partition, so you can stop them/kill them, then unmount normally
[10:56] <sproingie> i wish there was a process explorer workalike for linux
[10:56] <chavo> andrewski, I used the installer from Nvidia.
[10:56] <bassMonkey> djm62: ok, gam_serve seem to like it, should I just kill it?
[10:56] <djm62> yeah...kill -9 :)
[10:56] <andrewski> chavo: and you use 2.6.10?
[10:56] <andrewski> crimsun: is that what you're talking about?
[10:57] <chavo> andrewski, yes the stock haory kernel
[10:57] <mainer> karljp: i don't use wireless,but theres abug report out about the universe-kernels
[10:57] <chavo> 2.6.10-5-k7
[10:57] <andrewski> chavo: ah, ok.  i'll try that.
[10:57] <djm62> sproingie: Applications->System Tools->System Monitor
[10:57] <chavo> I had to install gcc 3.3 though.
[10:57] <sproingie> djm62: that's so not close to what procexp does in one app
[10:57] <djm62> sproingie: what else can you do to processes?
[10:58] <GeneralCody> I use dlink dwl-122 Wireless USB2 with NetRTUSB
[10:59] <karljp> mainer: yeah, unfortunately, it's not obvious that you're getting a universe kernel.
[10:59] <karljp> I mean, you add universe cos you need it and it's reliable for other sw
[10:59] <mainer> yep
[10:59] <karljp> and then you apt-cache seach for 2.6
[10:59] <karljp> and whaddya know.  ooops!
[10:59] <djm62> (I'm not familiar with windows other than one app)
[10:59] <sproingie> djm62: arranges processes by tree, customizeable columns for all process info, per-process performance history, thread monitor, shows open dlls, all handles, lets you search for and break individual handles, etc
[11:00] <sproingie> i guess "handles" isn't something youd see in linux anyway.  no OM.
[11:00] <karljp> lsof?
[11:00] <crimsun> andrewski: boot 2.6.10-34 with "noapic nolapic pci=noacpi" and see if you can reproduce it
[11:00] <mainer> i knew about the report,figured i'd try it,but there are other pre-packaged debian kernel-images available from other distros that would probly work,most linux can be mixed,with a little knowledge,and no problems,
[11:00] <crimsun> andrewski: if you can, then it's definitely a bug in the nvidia driver
[11:00] <sproingie> solaris has the SAR tools that are pretty darn close
[11:01] <sproingie> had a crummy motif interface last time i used them
[11:01] <djm62> missing...thread monitor and per-process graphing
[11:02] <Amplificator> Are any bandwidth limiters available
[11:02] <djm62> and the "tree" isn't great
[11:02] <mjr> does softsusp work for anyone with amd64?
[11:05] <spot_> hello
[11:05] <buulian> does anyone have an idea of what program to use to payback m4a files
[11:05] <spot_> someone there to explain how to do something like modconf ??
[11:05] <djm62> buulian: mplayer will do it, as will realplayer10
[11:06] <karljp> didn't we install realplaye10 for buulian earlier?
[11:06] <djm62> I'm not sure why gstreamer0.8-faad hasn't made them work in gnome
[11:06] <buulian> yeah
[11:06] <buulian> it wouldn't work
[11:06] <buulian> i tried everything like 5 times
[11:07] <buulian> it installed ok, but it wont run
[11:07] <andrewski> crimsun: so booting with that should get around the bug?
[11:07] <djm62> buulian: can you type "which realplay"
[11:08] <buulian> i tried that too
[11:08] <buulian> it says that the comand is not found
[11:08] <djm62> buulian: :)
[11:08] <djm62> buulian: that's useful to know
[11:08] <karljp> ahh!
[11:08] <karljp> but you installed it right?!
[11:08] <buulian> yeah
[11:08] <karljp> log out and log in again (of that shell)
[11:09] <karljp> or do su (your username)
[11:09] <djm62> buulian: /opt/RealPlayer/realplay ?
[11:09] <karljp> I had that break for me yesterday with something
[11:09] <buulian> yeah?
[11:09] <buulian> i'll start on that
[11:09] <karljp> although, that was actually when which blah worked
[11:09] <karljp> but running it didn't
[11:09] <karljp> and said that somewhere else wasn't found
[11:10] <buulian> yeah, that's my problem!
[11:10] <hussam> I know I can manually do export blahblah=/location/to/dir  manually. How can I make this env variable systam wide avialable
[11:10] <lapse> Trying to install fluxbox and when I go ./configure I get "checking for X... no " "configure: error: Fluxbox requires the X Window System libraries and headers." :o I'm on gnome right now.
[11:11] <karljp> hooray!
[11:11] <karljp> hussam: put it in some script that gets executed for all users?
[11:11] <andrewski> crimsun: can you clarify what using those kernel parameters is supposed to do for me?
[11:11] <LinuxJones> hussam, put it in /etc/profile
[11:11] <SQL_Sam> has anyone used mysql administrator through ubuntu?
[11:11] <djm62> lapse: I recommend "apt-get build depends fluxbox"
[11:12] <djm62> build-depends
[11:12] <hussam> ok I'll try that
[11:12] <djm62> "apt-get build-depends fluxbox"
[11:13] <lapse> build-depends? :o
[11:13] <djm62> lapse: installs everything you need to build a package...
[11:13] <Levander> Anybody here has used parted?
[11:13] <Levander> .
[11:14] <Levander> Anybody here has used parted?
[11:14] <nanophase> Levander:  ask only once
[11:14] <djm62> lapse: you may want to just use the package (have you edited /etc/apt/sources.list to include universe and multiverse repositories?)
[11:14] <Levander> What do you have to do with grub after you resize a partition used parted?
[11:15] <Levander> nanophase: yeah, something was messed up with my IRC client, sorry
[11:15] <lapse> djm62, guh, I haven't edited anything there yet. Will
[11:15] <nanophase> Levander:  no problem then :)
[11:15] <SQL_Sam> has anyone used mysql administrator through ubuntu?
[11:15] <djm62> lapse: you could just apt-get install fluxbox with that
[11:15] <Swynndla> I'm getting errors in eth0 when I boot up in ubuntu from my hard-drive installation, but when I boot up from kubuntu live cd or kanotix live cd I get no eth0 errors at all .... what can I do?
[11:16] <djm62> why keep a dog and bark?
[11:16] <Swynndla> RX packets:172 errors:178 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
[11:16] <SQL_Sam> that makes no sense....
[11:16] <Swynndla>  TX packets:158 errors:2 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:2
[11:16] <SQL_Sam> a dog can be used for other things then just barking....
[11:17] <SQL_Sam> cats on the other hand.....
[11:17] <djm62> SQL_Sam: this is scotland, not korea ;)
[11:17] <brundleFly> hi
[11:17] <SQL_Sam> lol
[11:18] <brundleFly> i'm having issues
[11:18] <mainer> Levander:parted is good, GParted is best,qt-parted is unreliable,imo
[11:18] <brundleFly> aside from turning into a fly that is
[11:18] <djm62> brundleFly: try going through the transporter again
[11:18] <yfir> cats are better than dogs, gnome is better than kde, freeBSD is better than linux, and vim is better than emacs
[11:18] <SQL_Sam> lol
[11:18] <brundleFly> no way, i'm gonna take it apart
[11:18] <yfir> so shut up
[11:18] <SQL_Sam> flamewar starting.... kde is beter then gnome
[11:18] <brundleFly> heh
[11:18] <brundleFly> other issues...
[11:18] <brundleFly> mplayer
[11:19] <brundleFly> heh
[11:19] <djm62> mplayer is better than vim
[11:19] <yfir> right, forgot the mplayer thing...
[11:19] <Levander> mainer: yeah, i'm gonna use gparted.  But, the parted manual says something about "rebuild grub's stage2 file" after having resized a partition.  can't find documentation anywhere on how I'm supposed to do this with grub.
[11:19] <brundleFly> is there a deb that will work?
[11:19] <kkamrani> hi eveyrone
[11:19] <kkamrani> brb
[11:19] <yoink> hi
[11:19] <Levander> Is just surprising, because I know parted is a popular tool, can't believe I can't find out what your supposed to do with grub after using parted.
[11:19] <SQL_Sam> i have mplayer with no problems
[11:19] <yoink> bye
[11:19] <djm62> brundleFly: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[11:19] <yfir> brundleFly: the one in universe/multiverse doesn't work? worked fine for me when i tried it...
[11:20] <SQL_Sam> vlm as well
[11:20] <Levander> mainer: you've used parted? or gparted (the front end)?
[11:20] <brundleFly> djm62 i can't apt-get it
[11:20] <mainer> levander: it should be a problem,tmk,but i'm intermediate level,no-guru
[11:20] <SQL_Sam> ??
[11:20] <djm62> brundleFly: have you read the wiki? have you run apt-get update?
[11:20] <brundleFly> err, i mean, yfir
[11:20] <SQL_Sam> make sure you have the package apt-get works
[11:20] <yfir> brundleFly: you probably haven't enabled the universe repos (?)
[11:20] <brundleFly> yeah
[11:20] <Levander> mainer: i'm no guru either, what do you mean "should be a problem"?
[11:21] <brundleFly> yfir i uncommented about 4 lines in sources.list...
[11:21] <lapse> djm62, I edited sources.list and tried with apt-get install fluxbox, looks like it worked pretty fine :o
[11:21] <SQL_Sam> has anyone used mysql administrator through ubuntu?
[11:21] <mainer> gparted,works great,qt-parted wiped my hdd,and hosed it a couple times,i prefer disk-drake front-end from mandrakes drakxtools,but gparted is as good in my experience,but,thats just me
[11:22] <djm62> lapse: glad to hear it :)
[11:22] <_Delerium_> Hi there! Just installed the ATI driver... works good after a couple of try. but my monitor now flick as hell.. I try to change the value of hsync and vsync in /etc/X11/xorg.conf but the driver doesnt seems to care.. anyways have the same issue?
[11:22] <SQL_Sam> okay what is the reasoning behind partitoining?
[11:22] <mainer> levander:sorry,meant should not be a problem
[11:22] <SQL_Sam> i got a 15 gif hard drive didnt do any partitions when installed
[11:22] <lapse> djm62, , thanks
[11:23] <mainer> levander: i mis-typed
[11:23] <devscott> how can I search for a package using apt-get from the command line
[11:23] <brundleFly> brb, gonna try this again
[11:23] <slept> apt-cache
[11:23] <devscott> slept: thanks
[11:23] <buulian> does gtk come with ubuntu?
[11:24] <Levander> mainer: what should not be a problem?
[11:24] <zxc> Anyone have any experience with running XFCE on Ubuntu? Does it run alongside Gnome/ on top of Gnome/ instead of Gnome? Do you get a choice of which to use on boot? (I'm a quite New Linux user)
[11:25] <mainer> levander:grub should not need re-configuring unless you change the /root partiton or /boot partiton
[11:25] <SQL_Sam> apt-cache or apt-get -cache (filename)
[11:25] <mainer> www.gnu.org/grub
[11:25] <orospakr> what might cause PAM to submit something like "..\nINCORRECT" to an auth plugin instead of the actual entered password?
[11:25] <yfir> zxc: instead of gnome. you get a choice in the sessions part of the gdm login screen
[11:26] <SQL_Sam> i must say i'm more impressed with kde then gnome
[11:26] <zxc> yfir, cool thanks
[11:26] <yfir> SQL_Sam: kde is tacky
[11:26] <Jeezis> i'm having some trouble with my wireless card. it's an innprocom mini-pci built in to a sager 9860-s
[11:26] <djm62> kde is better than emacs
[11:27] <yfir> haha, you can have the last word though. i have no desire to fight about it
[11:27] <mainer> i prefer kde,but gnome is good,but the gnome code-base is looser
[11:27] <^vir^> i run on 2.6.10 & runs fine
[11:27] <Jeezis> and whenever i use kwifimanager, i can't change channels and such
[11:27] <^vir^> grrrr
[11:27] <SQL_Sam> i'm noob - tried gnome first was good - no complaints
[11:27] <SQL_Sam> kde just seemed more intuitive i guess
[11:27] <yfir> kde is more WinXP like, gnome more OSX like (roughly)
[11:28] <yfir> so "intuitive" is relative
[11:28] <mainer> kfir:yes,i think
[11:28] <djm62> OSX confuses me
[11:28] <mainer> mac os
[11:28] <^vir^> kde uses qt.... qt = better
[11:28] <Levander> mainer: well, I'm changing the boot partition.  And by the /root partition, you mean the partion mounted on '/' ?
[11:28] <wliu> can someone help me figure out why GNOME can't hear my sound card?  I went through ubuntuguide.org and managed to get it to work only sometimes when i boot.  any suggestions?
[11:28] <^vir^> gtk is rubbish compared to qt imo
[11:28] <mainer> yes
[11:28] <buulian> i'm still working on getting RealPLayer10 to work
[11:28] <SQL_Sam> yah, i can see your point i do like kde's bottom buttons
[11:29] <mainer> levander: check he grub manual,you an download it
[11:29] <SQL_Sam> i got realplayer working
[11:29] <buulian> how, please, i'm desparate
[11:29] <wliu> when i play apps from the command line, i have sound.  but when i run apps from the application menu, i get no sound.
[11:29] <SQL_Sam> i downloaded it from realplayer site though
[11:29] <Levander> mainer: i have, for about an hour now, see nothing on reinstalling the Stage2 file.
[11:29] <djm62> buulian: what architecture are you on?
[11:29] <buulian> i've been working on it all day
[11:29] <buulian> amd64
[11:29] <mainer> i just re-partiton and boot,never had problems with re-sizing existing partitons..
[11:29] <SQL_Sam> had to chmod it then ran it - no problems
[11:29] <yfir> kde has only one app i miss in gnome: kmail...
[11:30] <mainer> except with qt-parted
[11:30] <TopDog> Anyone here experiencing samba daemon freezing on Hoary?
[11:30] <Edgan> ^vir^: maybe so, but graphical library != graphical program. I primarily use Gnome apps. The exceptions are Kmail, Konqueror(just as a file manager), and Skype(not a offical KDE app).
[11:30] <djm62> buulian: https://player.helixcommunity.org/2004/downloads/
[11:30] <djm62> buulian: get the installer, not the RPM
[11:30] <karljp> ok, but if you install kubuntu, do you get a choice at loging time?
[11:30] <karljp> and you can just throw diskspace around trying them all out?
[11:31] <^vir^> whats fluxbox like?
[11:31] <djm62> ^vir^: spartan, but very functional
[11:31] <djm62> and fast
[11:31] <nickrud> and for geeks :)
[11:31] <yfir> ^vir^: i love it. quick, minimal, elegane
[11:31] <yfir> *elegant
[11:32] <^vir^> whats the most customizable?
[11:32] <djm62> I love it for "fluxbox situations" which are becoming more rare
[11:32] <yfir> plus, after screwing with the keybindings for a few hours, i don't even need to use my mouse (a good thing)
[11:32] <karljp> and if you just apt-get install these other wm's you still keep your existing setup, you just get a new choice at gdm login?
[11:32] <djm62> now that I have a machine that runs X comfortably
[11:32] <ircbot_> well got my wireless working.... albeit somewhat slow
[11:33] <djm62> karljp: yes, in general...combining alternative gnome-compliant wms with gnome might get a bit more confusing
[11:33] <wliu> does anyone have problems getting sound to work in hoary?
[11:33] <ircbot_> but eh ... it's a bit better if i move to the back porch
[11:34] <buulian> ok, it says that it cannot display the file
[11:34] <karljp> if you run something like fvwm/blackbox, can you still use all the gnome things like gnome-volume-manager and the network setup stuff?
[11:34] <SQL_Sam> anyone use mysql administrator?  i can log into the dang thing
[11:34] <karljp> or do you have to go back to doing things the text way?
[11:34] <ircbot_> his house must be made of something very thick and metal to block the signal as much as it does
[11:35] <karljp> I think I just get confused between gnome the set of applications and gnome as a wm.
[11:35] <djm62> karljp: I think you can use all the apps...stuff like applets won't be there
[11:35] <karljp> anyway of telling the apps from the applets?
[11:35] <SQL_Sam> wierd it says cannont connect to host 'ubuntu' (my puters name) I can ping it though?
[11:35] <karljp> and ubuntu/gnome actually uses metacity as the wm anyway right?
[11:35] <karljp> not "gnome"
[11:35] <djm62> karljp: yeah
[11:35] <buulian> djm62: it says that the file cannot be displayed
[11:36] <SQL_Sam> anyone know of a server- channel for mysql help?
[11:36] <djm62> karljp: but "gnome" has had a few different window managers, including enlightenment and sawmill
[11:36] <ircbot_> it's kinda cold to be sitting outside on the back porch to use wireless haha
[11:36] <djm62> buulian: where does it say that?
[11:36] <crimsun> wliu: what sort of problems?
[11:36] <ircbot_> gnome used e as it's wm?
[11:36] <djm62> ircbot_: I thought so...way back in the day
[11:36] <ircbot_> that's funny
[11:36] <djm62> maybe I just used e with gnome ;)
[11:37] <crimsun> karljp: yes, just invoke gnome-settings-daemon and gnome-volume-manager manually
[11:37] <ircbot_> this is the first time i've ever stuck with gnome so i don't know about all that
[11:37] <ircbot_> i almost always used blackbox
[11:37] <XplOzIon> d4x download manager is any good?
[11:37] <buulian> djm62: on the screen
[11:37] <wliu> crimsun: my sound works in gnome only sometimes when i boot.  my sound seems to always work if i run the app from the command line though.  but when i run the same app through the gnome menu, no sound.
[11:37] <buulian> when i click on it
[11:37] <ircbot_> i still do on my desktop, but on my lappy i use gnome
[11:37] <crimsun> wliu: what sound app(s)?
[11:37] <karljp> ahh! for anyone who was curious about the font problems in my pdfs.
[11:37] <kkamrani> hi
[11:37] <spot_> http://www.voltairenetwork.net/article25.html
[11:37] <karljp> sudo apt-get install msttcorefonts
[11:37] <ircbot_> shit i think it's gonna rain soon... which means i will have to leave his back porch heh
[11:37] <karljp> fixes it.
[11:38] <wliu> crimsun: when i run mplayer from the application menu, i get no sound.  when i run mplayer from the command line, i get sound.
[11:38] <SQL_Sam> i miss rain
[11:38] <djm62> buulian: um...I guessed on the screen
[11:38] <SQL_Sam> dont get much rain in arizona
[11:38] <djm62> buulian: what do you do before it says that
[11:38] <crimsun> wliu: are you running mplayer -ao esd ?
[11:38] <djm62> still getting snow in scotland
[11:38] <buulian> i click on the file realplay-10.0.4.750-linux-2.2-libc6-gcc32-i586.bin
[11:38] <buulian>  on the desktop
[11:38] <wliu> on the command line?  no.
[11:38] <Sphearion> what are the differences between FC3 and ubuntu
[11:38] <djm62> SQL_Sam: strike the average...ideal
[11:38] <wliu> crimsun: on the command line? no.
[11:39] <ircbot_> taha went into the garage
[11:39] <crimsun> wliu: what happens when you use that with a media file?
[11:39] <djm62> buulian: you click on the file in nautilus (file manager)?
[11:39] <ircbot_> that's so weird... my wireless light on my lappy only comes on when i type
[11:39] <buulian> no, i saved it to the desktop
[11:39] <ircbot_> well actually it's only on when sending info across it, because i'm ssh'd into my home
[11:39] <wliu> crimsun: you mean if i do   mplayer -ao esd file.avi ?
[11:39] <djm62> buulian: ok, cool (you can think of the desktop as being a window of nautilus without borders)
[11:39] <^vir^> enlightenment looks like it could become a good wm
[11:40] <djm62> buulian: can you open a terminal?
[11:40] <buulian> right
[11:40] <crimsun> wliu: sure
[11:40] <buulian> how do you do that? i've been just typing in the file name and it says the command is not found
[11:40] <kkamrani> hey everyone, can anyone help me out with setting up BIND in Unbuntu Hoary to set myself up as a namserver to host my own domains
[11:40] <djm62> buulian: have you got a terminal open?
[11:40] <buulian> yes
[11:41] <djm62> buulian: type "cd ~/Desktop"
[11:41] <wliu> crimsun:  when i specify -ao esd in the command line i get no sound.
[11:41] <buulian> k
[11:41] <plagerism> Okay so downgrading from breezy to hoary didnt exactly work, now my system freezes during boot!! Whoops
[11:41] <crimsun> wliu: pgrep esd
[11:41] <wliu> crimsun: nothing
[11:41] <djm62> buulian: then chmod +x (whatever your realplayer download was called)
[11:41] <crimsun> plagerism: <insert warning about Breezy>
[11:41] <plagerism> DONT DO BREEZY!!
[11:41] <crimsun> wliu: ok, so you're using alsa directly then
[11:41] <buulian> ok
[11:41] <djm62> badgers carry disease!
[11:42] <djm62> buulian: done that?
[11:42] <YoBoY> hi
[11:42] <buulian> yep
[11:42] <crimsun> wliu: which means you either need to tell your apps to use alsa directly, or you need to start esd
[11:42] <Pluk> kkamrani, check http://langfeldt.net/DNS-HOWTO/BIND-9/
[11:42] <djm62> buulian: sudo ./(that same file name)
[11:42] <kkamrani> Pluk, thanks, I will
[11:42] <wliu> crimsun: what's the better route?
[11:42] <plagerism> I have never really messed up my system before where I had to reinstall, but I have no idea why my system is stopping mid boot, and dont really have the time to figure out why
[11:43] <djm62> what is it badgers spread....TB and dependency problems
[11:43] <crimsun> wliu: in System>Preferences>Sound, is "Enable sound server startup" selected?
[11:43] <AcidWolf> how do i add fonts to Gnome
[11:43] <wliu> crimsun: yeah
[11:43] <YoBoY> i'm discovering linux and ubuntu, and i'm trying to install a release with a software RAID0 (no multi-boot) but after my first install the system boot and reboot and reboot ... someone can help me ?
[11:43] <buulian> it says the command is not found
[11:43] <buulian> here, i'll paste the output
[11:44] <buulian> root@AVERATEC:/home/buulian # cd Desktop
[11:44] <buulian> root@AVERATEC:/home/buulian/Desktop # chmod -x realplayer.bin
[11:44] <buulian> root@AVERATEC:/home/buulian/Desktop # realplayer.bin
[11:44] <buulian> bash: realplayer.bin: command not found
[11:44] <buulian> root@AVERATEC:/home/buulian/Desktop # dir
[11:44] <buulian> realplay-10.0.4.750-linux-2.2-libc6-gcc32-i586.bin
[11:44] <buulian> root@AVERATEC:/home/buulian/Desktop # chmod -x realplay-10.0.4.750-linux-2.2-libc6-gcc32-i586.bin
[11:44] <buulian> root@AVERATEC:/home/buulian/Desktop # realplay-10.0.4.750-linux-2.2-libc6-gcc32-i586.bin
[11:44] <buulian> bash: realplay-10.0.4.750-linux-2.2-libc6-gcc32-i586.bin: command not found
[11:44] <buulian> root@AVERATEC:/home/buulian/Desktop # chmod -x realplay-10.0.4.750-linux-2.2-libc6-gcc32-i586.bin
[11:44] <buulian> root@AVERATEC:/home/buulian/Desktop # sudo ./realplay-10.0.4.750-linux-2.2-libc6-gcc32-i586.bin
[11:44] <buulian> sudo: ./realplay-10.0.4.750-linux-2.2-libc6-gcc32-i586.bin: command not found
[11:44] <buulian> root@AVERATEC:/home/buulian/Desktop # sudo realplay-10.0.4.750-linux-2.2-libc6-gcc32-i586.bin
[11:44] <buulian> sudo: realplay-10.0.4.750-linux-2.2-libc6-gcc32-i586.bin: command not found
[11:44] <ircbot_> buulian: i hate you.
[11:44] <buulian> root@AVERATEC:/home/buulian/Desktop # sudo realplay-10.0.4.750-linux-2.2-libc6-gcc32-i586.bin
[11:44] <crimsun> wliu: ok, now invoke esd directly: open a terminal and execute esd
[11:44] <buulian> sudo: realplay-10.0.4.750-linux-2.2-libc6-gcc32-i586.bin: command not found
[11:44] <buulian> root@AVERATEC:/home/buulian/Desktop #
[11:44] <AcidWolf> buulian is evil
[11:44] <buulian> sorry
[11:44] <buulian> n00b
[11:44] <ircbot_> buulian: it's all good... but i still hate you :p
[11:45] <AcidWolf> thats ok we all started there
[11:45] <Pluk> try: sh realplayer.bin
[11:45] <wliu> crimsun: i get this: "ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:868:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave"
[11:45] <ircbot_> buulian: from now on #flood
[11:45] <pharaonic_anubis> How do I use chmod to change the group and permissions of a directory?
[11:45] <fejaor> how can i change the mode so I have permission to write over a folder??
[11:45] <AcidWolf> pharaonic_anubis man chmod
[11:45] <ircbot_> this says my signal strength is 100%, but it sure doesn't feel like 100%
[11:45] <fejaor> Im trying to upgrade firefox but wanted to install the files in /etc/mozilla-firefox but is not allowing me to write in the folder
[11:45] <crimsun> wliu: are you using a custom .asoundrc?
[11:45] <pharaonic_anubis> AcidWolf, I did man chmod... didn't comprehend how to use it though.
[11:46] <AcidWolf> fejaor you need permissions to write to it
[11:46] <AcidWolf> pharaonic_anubis man chown
[11:46] <ircbot_> although it's definitely better here then sitting in my car
[11:46] <wliu> crimsun: no.  i just installed alsa from the ubuntuguide.org
[11:46] <fejaor> how do I change the permission?? Im the only user for ubuntu in this computer
[11:46] <AcidWolf> fejaor open a terminal and type man chown
[11:47] <crimsun> wliu: "installed"? It's already installed by default...
[11:47] <crimsun> wliu: what precisely did you do?
[11:47] <Jeezis> how do you copy and paste a file from one folder to another in konsole?
[11:47] <GammaRay> fejaor: it would make more sense to install that as root
[11:47] <GammaRay> fejaor: sudo su
[11:47] <wliu> crimsun: http://ubuntuguide.org/#configuresoundproperly
[11:47] <XplOzIon> fejaor, "sudo chmod -R 777 /folder_name/  (warning this chmod will give permissions to everyone)
[11:48] <wliu> crimsun: basically installed libsed-alsa0 and made a asound.conf file
[11:48] <AcidWolf> yeah what XplOzIon  said
[11:48] <fejaor> done
[11:48] <fejaor> thanks
[11:48] <XplOzIon> no problema
[11:48] <DanglyBits> Does anyone know where I might find more Themes for Ubuntu other than the ones preloaded with ubuntu?
[11:48] <crimsun> wliu: so in fact you did create a custom .asoundrc (/etc/asound.conf is the system-wide one)
[11:49] <AcidWolf> DanglyBits www.gnome-look.org
[11:49] <djm62> buulian is subtle
[11:49] <GammaRay> XplOzIon: why chmod parts of /etc 777?
[11:49] <wliu> crimsun: when i first did those steps after my install, sound started working immediately.  then i rebooted and it stopped working.  and i rebooted again and it works every once in a while.
[11:49] <SQL_Sam> anyone use mysql? i have an issue
[11:49] <ircbot_> wliu: you check the syslog for errors?
[11:49] <crimsun> wliu: the first thing you need to do is decide whether you want to stick with esd or to use alsa directly
[11:50] <ircbot_> i don't think i chmod anything 777
[11:50] <XplOzIon> GammaRay, say what?? i dont actually now but that way works fine to me, and that what i use on /mnt/ to mount my hdds
[11:50] <wliu> crimsun: what's the difference?
[11:50] <ircbot_> wliu: is an extra step but it helps a lot if you are using onboard sound
[11:50] <fejaor> where can i download the plugins so I can open mp3, wmv, mpeg, avi, asf files??
[11:50] <ircbot_> sucks a lot if you have a decnt soundcard though
[11:51] <ircbot_> fejaor: multiverse
[11:51] <GammaRay> XplOzIon: umm the context is that fejaor could not write to /etc as his user when trying to install firefox
[11:51] <hans_> i just installed realplayer and wanted to start it by using the shortcut but nothing happened. can anybody help?
[11:51] <DanglyBits> AcidWolf:  there are a number of different type of themes what type an I looking for (ie..GTK, Metcity) ??
[11:51] <AcidWolf> gtk2
[11:51] <fejaor> that problem is solved....I already installed firefox....
[11:51] <DanglyBits> AcidWolf:  thanks
[11:52] <GammaRay> fejaor: you want the win32-codecs and gstreamer-mad packages
[11:52] <XplOzIon> GammaRay, oh, my bad
[11:52] <hans_> can anyone help me?
[11:52] <hans_> i just installed realplayer and wanted to start it by using the shortcut but nothing happened. can anybody help?
[11:52] <crimsun> wliu: gnome apps generally are configured to use esd
[11:53] <XplOzIon> hmm hey since backports are down, whats the best way to install J2SE Runtime Environment (JRE) ??
[11:53] <djm62> hans_: can you start it from terminal?
[11:53] <crimsun> wliu: but if you're using dmix, it's more efficient to use alsa directly
[11:53] <ircbot_> god web pages are taking forever to load with this connection
[11:53] <fejaor> I can't find those packages under synaptic :S
[11:53] <wliu> crimsun: i've no idea what dmix is.  so lets go with esd.
[11:53] <ircbot_> fejaor: you have to enable multiverse
[11:53] <fejaor> how?
[11:54] <hans_> djm62: how do i do that
[11:54] <crimsun> wliu: dmix allows multiple alsa apps to play sounds simultaneously. Effectively, it does what esd does with lower latency.
[11:54] <djm62> hans_: can you open a terminal?
[11:54] <wliu> crimsun: is it any harder to set up?
[11:54] <Anlar> alsa can do that natively as well afaik
[11:55] <icebalm> crimsun: so does a proper soundcard without the need for these hacks
[11:55] <fejaor> how?
[11:55] <djm62> we need something like http://easyurpmi.zarb.org/
[11:55] <djm62> icebalm: not everyone has that luxury
[11:55] <hans_> djm62: yes
[11:55] <p2og> how can I change settings so that when I bring a window close to another they "snap" together
[11:55] <icebalm> djm62: you can get one for $10
[11:55] <hans_> djm62: but what do i type in?
[11:55] <djm62> hans_: try typing "realplay"
[11:56] <XplOzIon> p2og, Aplications -> System Tool -> Config Editor
[11:56] <djm62> my last computer was scrounged from spare parts :-/
[11:56] <jkka> icebalm: how about soundcard with spdif output, hardware mixing and works out of the box?
[11:56] <icebalm> jkka: define "out of the box"
[11:56] <jkka> both oss&alsa
[11:56] <XplOzIon> p2og, er nevermind, i didnt read well =/ im still kinda sleepy heh
[11:56] <djm62> advantage of university...no money, but lots of departments getting rid of hardware
[11:57] <icebalm> jkka: yeah, relatively cheap
[11:57] <fejaor> how can I do that ircbot_??
[11:57] <Marble2> Is there a good standalone application that can mass edit id3 tags (getting album info from freedb would be a plus too...)
[11:57] <jkka> well, i havent managed to get my oss osunds to come out of spdif output
[11:57] <Mithsir> Hi! does ubuntu support user mode linux on amd64?
[11:57] <icebalm> jkka: do you really need oss though? since all alsa supported cards can emulate oss
[11:57] <jkka> alsa works fine with and without software mixing
[11:57] <crimsun> wliu: supposedly you've already done the work
[11:57] <djm62> icebalm: anyway, it's a more general point of whether you can tell people what hardware to buy...this is linux, not Mac OS
[11:57] <jkka> well, emulating doesnt work for me
[11:57] <crimsun> wliu: paste your /etc/asound.conf onto http://pastebin.com
[11:57] <jkka> some older games
[11:58] <icebalm> djm62: my point is if you want your soundcard to be able to mix multiple streams buy one that does, don't rely on crappy software to do it
[11:58] <YoBoY> well ... i try again ...
[11:58] <icebalm> djm62: they're cheap
[11:58] <YoBoY> i'm discovering linux and ubuntu, and i'm trying to install a release with a software RAID0 (no multi-boot) but after my first install the system boot and reboot and reboot ... someone can help me? please ?
[11:58] <djm62> icebalm: what about adequate software?
[11:58] <fejaor> where can i download the plugins so I can open mp3, wmv, mpeg, avi, asf files??
[11:58] <fejaor> how can I upgrade firefox??
[11:59] <wliu> crimsun: ok, done.  (interesting website btw)
[11:59] <Anlar> fejaor: you don't have to upgrade. it has teh security bugfixes already
[11:59] <ircbot_> fejaor: get the newest one from the repo if you want to stick with deb packages... otherwise go get the bin off of the website
[11:59] <Jeezis> hmmm, i have my wireless card all set up and am using kwifimanager and it shows that i have a connection, but i do not have an ip address and when i scan for networks it doesnt find anything
[11:59] <icebalm> djm62: software is there to make the hardware work, if you want to do something buy hardware which supports it so you don't have to piss around with a software kludge
[11:59] <Marble2> fejaor: for mp3s, and other music stuff I like amrok. for video files, try vlc or totem-xine
[11:59] <ircbot_> Jeezis: what kind of card?
[12:00] <Marble2> *amarok rather
[12:00] <fejaor> i did that, I got the 1.0.3 version(or latest) i installed but something happened that I started firefox with the old version 1.0.2