[12:01] Anlar: yes i know...the database stuff is still hoplelessly screwed unless you want to do things the hard way with psql and pgadmin3 [12:02] I just installed the OOo 2.beta and it's sweet. with database stuff and all. :) [12:02] theD3viL: Konversation, Kontact, Kopete, Konqueror. :) [12:02] you using Konqueror for your browser ?? [12:03] Strange as it may seem, yes. It's a perfectly pleasant and complete application. [12:03] hm [12:03] The sites that require anything more are few and far-between. [12:03] popups? [12:03] I am using konqueror too. haven't noticed any problems on any site yet. [12:03] I don't use warez / pr0n sites :) [12:03] and webcleaner takes away all the banners and such anyways. [12:04] hmm [12:04] hrm this is weird [12:04] i dont use pr0n sitez, but for friends www.serials.ws or somethink.. [12:04] it's actually quite good. and it transforms to pretty much every job instantly. [12:05] like to the fish:// [12:05] fish is lovely :) webdav is lovely :) [12:05] i am trying to compile something and it says ncurses.h not found, on checking kynaptic says i have libncurses and ncurses installed [12:05] elric: you need the -dev packages [12:05] ah [12:05] libncurses-dev [12:05] I love the fish. it's awesome. I mean, it's the most simple, robust and easy way to share files. [12:05] :) [12:06] elric: expect a /lot/ of '-dev' requirement when compiling software [12:06] to windows hosts as well.. just kick in cygwin-opensshd and voila. [12:06] gdh, i am just not used to binary only distributions. [12:06] is it save to have java script enabled ? [12:07] sure. [12:07] k :) [12:08] what about, can you make conquer that, it will be maximazed everytime i run it? [12:08] yes, if you find it handy. just save the current profile when maximized. === darkaudi1 is now known as darkaudit [12:17] Anlar: i don't even know why ubuntu wants to compete with gentoo....so don't blame me for anything.....i am just reporting that the ubuntu needs more work === _ej [~ej@CPE-69-76-103-192.wi.res.rr.com] has joined #kubuntu [12:18] <_ej> why are the fonts in kubuntu so funky? [12:23] Why konqueror wont start maximazed ? [12:23] ubuntu isn't competing with gentoo in any way. [12:23] and ooh, let's create a new database. :) and visually create some tables 8) [12:23] access user? [12:23] theD3viL: click on the konq launch icon, maximise the window, Window -> Save Profile 'Web Browsing'. close konq window [12:24] click the same icon again. it will open maximised [12:24] Settings menu rather than Window. [12:24] what package do i need to install to get this directory: /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/build [12:24] linux-headers-386 probably === dangerous [~aguinaldo@200141155128.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #kubuntu [12:25] hey... can someone help with setting up the new printer on kubuntu? [12:25] oooh eye candy.. database management just like Access.. on ubuntu. whoo [12:25] linux headers shoudln't differ based on the cpu you use.... [12:25] what app? [12:25] oo2? [12:25] Anlar: that is right...visually create the tables, the fields, the quieries, and the report layouts for printing purposes...these things have had to be done since the days of dos and dbase [12:25] gdh, tnx working now :D [12:25] at first, I have cups installed but i can't acces http://localhost:631 [12:25] whiskers: yup, doing that atm.. on kubuntu.. [12:26] gdh, you think i can remove firefox now ? [12:26] theD3viL: There are a few shit sites out there (usually to do with online banking etc.) which you'll need FF for. [12:26] Anlar: actually since the days of TRS-80 and thier database program...i forget the name but i remember it started with a P [12:26] theD3viL: disk space is cheap. FF is doing no harm by being installed [12:27] :) [12:27] Anlar: before dbase was even thought of [12:27] personally i prefer FF anywy [12:27] extensions rock my boat [12:27] I haven't had any other browser besides konq installed for the last umm.. what, 3 months? done banking and all :) [12:28] It depends if your bank are a pack of retards or not, really. [12:28] Mine are OK, I know a lot who aren't... req. IE 6 for some MS-Java applet they run, etc. [12:28] gdh, is popups dengoures ? .. [12:28] yes, I have heard horror stories as well. these do strict standard stuff. w3c validator likes allthe pages etc [12:29] theD3viL: annoying, yes. dangerous, no. [12:29] tnx ;) [12:29] :( [12:32] Anlar: i think the original RAD database design program for TRS-80 was called Profile or something like that [12:32] Anlar: before MSDOS or dbase was ever thought of [12:33] who cares [12:33] Anlar: well obviously you don't [12:37] my banks html interface works perfectly with FF [12:37] the java stuff wont work on ubuntu [12:37] even tho they have a linux bin [12:38] WTF they'd have a bin for java is beyond me [12:38] sheesh [12:38] it's just an extractor. [12:38] i'm too drunkt to type [12:38] yeah [12:38] but it doesnt [12:38] complete on kubuntu [12:38] Anlar: but some people find it useful to store their records and be able to sort and search through them quickly and print out summary results [12:38] does here, it seems. I just did it via the fake_root thingy. [12:38] besides 37mb when the win version is 14mb WTF [12:38] ah well [12:38] Anlar: now just because you think it is worthless...there are others who consider it useful [12:38] the html interface does the jon [12:38] job [12:38] whiskers: yes. that's why I just installed the software. and it seems to be working beautifully. [12:39] Anlar: how did you get scons to work [12:39] and it cant possibly be more insecure than ebanking on win [12:39] Anlar: that bastard will not find qtlibs [12:39] life is life. :) [12:40] yeah and drinking booze gets you drunk === carambol [~karambol_@h90238.upc-h.chello.nl] has joined #kubuntu [12:40] it better does for the price ;) [12:40] I am drinking just milk. [12:41] i hate milk [12:41] i think i cant digest it properly too [12:41] which is quite common [12:41] but since i dont like the taste [12:41] its not really a problem, ic an get the calcium by other means === egon_spengler [~egon@71.98.71.87] has joined #kubuntu [12:42] I drink it for the taste. but they might differ too perhaps [12:42] I enjoy soya milk as an interesting drink but I could never have it on cereal / in tea / coffee etc. [12:42] I had some milk made from oats the other day and I can say with authority that is was *foul* [12:43] mhh never had soy milk [12:43] the aftertaste was quite pleasant, but the drink itself was revolting.. [12:43] i find milk to generally be revolting [12:43] buz_: Don't think of it as milk, for you'll be disappointed :) [12:43] only place i like CREAM is coffee [12:43] or perhaps not :) [12:43] well seeing that i hate milk it cant possibly get much worse [12:44] but dont listen to me, i'm fucking drunk [12:44] got my university exam results and my gf is sick so the only thing to do was to get piss drunk === egon_spengler [~egon@71.98.71.87] has left #kubuntu ["Leaving"] [12:44] soya makes u impotent [12:44] so what [12:45] them spamers want to sell me cialis every day anyway [12:45] or better decrease ur potentency [12:45] i need to drink multivit juice now [12:46] to avoid a brutal hangover tomorrow [12:49] is there a way to have ksensor display smart hdd values? [12:51] no since smart has nothing to do with lm_sensors [12:52] yeah i figured that :) [12:52] but maybe theres a way still? [12:52] personally i care more for hd than cpu temps === elric1 [~kavit@ppp114-10.static.internode.on.net] has joined #kubuntu [12:54] Anlar: how can i enable all my firefox plugins in Konq....to see if they also work on kde === elric1 is now known as elric [12:54] sweet wireless card works [12:55] Anlar: lm-sensors is working fine here on ubuntu [12:55] Anlar: that has not been any problem...just the lack of winmodem...i mean cheap linmodem support [12:55] whiskers: lol you really are out like the snowman [12:56] elric: you just compiled the atmelwlandriver.sf.net code from source with linux headers? [12:56] yeah [12:56] funky. [12:56] had to use the cvs version though [12:56] the one on the ubuntu repository is a bit outdated [12:56] as long as it works =) [12:57] Anlar: i just believe that everything should be free for everyone...so that noone has to have money to buy stuff....because when that is the case....invevitably the poorest cannot afford what the richest have....and this is the "Tragedy of the Commons" [12:57] yeah it works fine :) [12:57] elric: Out of interest, what brand of WLAN card do you have? [12:57] Anlar: why does that make me a snowman [12:57] whiskers: ease off the lsd, man [12:57] elric: do you have any problems with it just randomly stopping now and again? I see that with both of my cheapo Actiontec 802UATs, as does a friend with the same model... [12:58] gdh, i have no idea... i just plugged it in and looked at the hex values and looked it up on google [12:58] matched atmel hex values [12:58] so I assume its an atmel and it works with the atmel drivers [12:59] yeh, if it's USB though, it'll have some plastic casing with a manufacturer name / model number? [12:59] gdh: i should, only the casing is gone [12:59] LOL :) [01:00] it is a chip at the end of a usb plug... i got it for free, so no complaints === segfault [~segfault@pc-16-79-104-200.cm.vtr.net] has joined #kubuntu === hyapadi [~support@203.128.85.17] has joined #kubuntu === whiteknight [~james@jac208.caths.cam.ac.uk] has joined #kubuntu === brazmetal [~aguinaldo@200141155128.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #kubuntu [01:19] hey I have the problem, I cant' access the localhost... can ananyone help me? [01:21] explain better === andrewski [~andrewski@pool-70-110-173-246.phil.east.verizon.net] has joined #kubuntu [01:22] segfault, i can't access http://localhost;xxxx [01:22] segfault, i can't access http://localhost:xxxx [01:22] why? [01:22] XD [01:22] do you have apache running? [01:22] no [01:22] I have? [01:23] But days after the tings were ok.. [01:23] *things [01:24] http://localhost:8000 I could access the shoutcast (audio streamer) page... and localhost:631 I could access the CUPS web interface [01:24] and now I can't [01:25] and I had never installed apache [01:25] brazmetal: what are you trying to do? [01:26] yeah, better question [01:26] I want to access the localjhost [01:26] !! [01:26] but how? [01:26] webmin [01:26] cups [01:26] other daemon.. [01:26] etc..? [01:26] CUPS>.. [01:27] ./etc/init.d/cupsd start [01:27] without the dot [01:27] brazmetal http://localhost:8000 I could access the shoutcast (audio streamer) page... and localhost:631 I could access the CUPS web interface [01:27] and the check localhost:631 [01:27] brazmetal and now I can't [01:27] brazmetal and I had never installed apache [01:27] brazmetal: for what? [01:27] segfault, cupsd is running... [01:27] brazmetal: http://127.0.0.1:631 perhaps? [01:28] if that works, your dns setup is very very broken :) === martin [~martin@154.80-202-243.nextgentel.com] has joined #kubuntu [01:28] can you even ping localhost and get a response? :) (that's a geek insult almost :) [01:28] gdh, It doesn't work too [01:29] gdh, ehehheehehhe I can't [01:29] what does this say: netstat -an | grep 631 [01:29] if you do 'ifconfig' is there a 'lo' interface listed? [01:29] man... everything was fine days ago.. [01:29] dgh: no... [01:29] lo Link encap:Local Loopback [01:29] inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 [01:29] etc. [01:29] ok now check /etc/network/interfaces [01:29] just if I run "ifconfig lo" [01:29] do you have this: [01:30] auto lo [01:30] iface lo inet loopback [01:30] humm [01:30] yes.. [01:30] I have this.. [01:30] man [01:30] I thing I did [01:30] days ago [01:30] I uninstalled "resolvconf" [01:31] clever. [01:31] cause my resolv.conf file was being overwritten each boot [01:32] makes sense.. I've never used that all [01:32] app [01:32] it's supposed to if you use dhcp [01:32] [01:32] no [01:32] i don't use... [01:32] I use the static setting... [01:33] and you can't "ping 127.0.0.1" and get replies? [01:33] the problem days ago was that.... the rseolv.conf file overwritten each boot, and I had to put the adresses and restar network.... each boot [01:33] This problem was gone whan I uninstalled the resolvconf package [01:33] what about /etc/hosts ? is the first line like 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost ? [01:34] gdh, I cant [01:34] hum let me see [01:34] OK if you do 'ifconfig lo' do you see "UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1" on one line? [01:34] the 'UP' is rather important :) [01:34] 127.0.0.1 localhost metalslave localhost.localdomain [01:34] the first line of host file [01:36] gdh: i don't see "up loopback running" [01:36] but I can see MTU:16436 Metric:1 [01:36] what about; ifdown lo; ifup lo [01:36] then try again? [01:36] I'm amazed X works if localhost is broken... [01:37] I have problem: I have stored some files for backup.. like xorg.conf and imwheel and so on.. But the problem is that without me doing anything.. the files change from being text files to Gzip files.. I try to open them in Kate, but no text there.. only binary.. What is this? don't understand!! [01:37] ifdown: interface lo not configured [01:37] that figures :) [01:38] martin: where did you store them for backup? [01:39] brazmetal: ifup lo should complete fine, and you should have lo configured with 'UP LOOPBACK RUNNING' on ifconfig [01:39] in /home/martin/diverse/konfig ... just a backup folder... [01:39] martin: weird - what's the timestamp on the .gz files [01:39] gdh, now the up thin apperas [01:40] brazmetal: you will probably need to restart your shoutcast + cups daemons [01:40] 4 days ago.. when i installed kubuntu i guess [01:40] gdh, but it's definitely? [01:40] brazmetal: It's definately what? [01:40] can conserve have anything to do with it? [01:40] or i have to do It each boot? [01:40] now I can ping the localhost [01:41] brazmetal: Who can say? :) [01:41] if you definately have [01:41] auto lo [01:41] iface lo inet loopback [01:41] in /etc/network/interfaces [01:41] auto lo? [01:41] then it should work each reboot :/ [01:41] no.. [01:41] hum [01:41] Ah ha :) [01:41] I have just auto eth0 [01:41] there's the problem then. [01:41] oh.. thanks man... [01:42] how on earth did that interfaces file get changed and the 'lo' lines removed? [01:42] those are utterly standard preconfigged things that no GUI tool would ever change. [01:42] i don't know [01:42] ehehehee [01:42] :) [01:42] cause it's was ok days ago.. [01:45] out of interest.. you said you use static IP and not DHCP.. how did you change from DHCP (the default) to static IP? [01:46] gdh, man using the Kcontrol [01:46] and just after [01:46] uninstalling dhcp3 === andrewski [~andrew@pool-70-110-173-246.phil.east.verizon.net] has joined #kubuntu [01:47] hm, odd === segfault [~segfault@pc-16-79-104-200.cm.vtr.net] has joined #kubuntu [01:49] gdh, hey, but I still can't acces CUPS ;( [01:49] and I have restarted it === andrewski [~andrew@pool-70-110-173-246.phil.east.verizon.net] has left #kubuntu ["Bis] === andrewski [~andrew@pool-70-110-173-246.phil.east.verizon.net] has joined #kubuntu [01:51] brazmetal: stop it, wait a few seconds, start it... [01:51] 'restart' might just make it 'reload config' [01:52] ok [01:53] gdh, bingo :D... thanx man! [01:53] :) === jsubl2 [~jsubl2@209.144.23.220] has joined #kubuntu [01:54] the invoice is in the post, etc :) [02:01] gdh, another problema... do you use cupsys? accessing the administrative issues asks for user/password... :( [02:02] In Kubuntu you're supposed to use Kub's own management tools [02:02] and it will talk to cupsd in the background [02:02] Control Center -> Peripherals -> Printers [02:03] it's the same? [02:03] well, one talks to the other... [02:03] ah ok I will try [02:03] I don't have a printer, but that's waht I understand... [02:03] I saw some threads about this name/password issue [02:04] in the ubuntuforums [02:04] and did the tip, and no success... [02:04] the tip was to create cupsys user in the shadow group.. [02:05] think about it, it doesn't make sense for Kubuntu to release a final version without an easy GUI way to do a basic task like add a printer === Shaquile [~Shaquile@h243n2fls34o888.telia.com] has joined #kubuntu [02:07] Have anyone got flash working in the 64bits version? No one I know have... :/ === andrewski [~andrewski@pool-70-110-173-246.phil.east.verizon.net] has joined #kubuntu === brian_ [~brian@12-210-65-201.client.insightBB.com] has joined #kubuntu === stianh [~stian@c5100AA20.inet.catch.no] has joined #kubuntu [02:23] greetings === segfault [~segfault@pc-16-79-104-200.cm.vtr.net] has joined #kubuntu [02:25] Kubuntu is nice :D [02:26] rules ;) [02:26] hehe :) [02:28] is there another kwin theme like plastik that's smaller? [02:29] ballistik [02:30] for windeco? [02:30] knifty :P [02:30] segfault: ok, thanks; i'll look them up. [02:30] ;) [02:32] segfault: hmm, both of those are grey.... [02:32] ? [02:32] change the color scheme? [02:34] segfault: true. O_o [02:37] you have to compile KDE themes?! [02:37] but is easy [02:37] ./configure --prefix=/usr [02:37] or [02:38] ./configure --prefix=`kde-config --prefix` [02:38] :p === jubei [~jubei@ppp45-22.lns1.adl1.internode.on.net] has joined #kubuntu [02:53] how do i get the "run program..." window? [02:54] alt-f2 [02:54] gdh: ok, now what if that doesn't work? how would i run it from a terminal? [02:55] uhh.. can't really see how that'd be useful [02:55] has your kicker crashed ? [02:55] gdh: or (to put the same end in a different question): in which package is it? [02:55] gdh: no, i'm running kwin in xfce, so no kicker. [02:56] do i need to run kicker to use it? [02:56] Ah... I think it (and other KDE hotkeys) are provided by kicker [02:56] that's a guess. [02:56] gdh: well, my custom khotkey works.... [02:58] I dunno then =) alt-f2 works for me - but I guess it could change depending on whatever the defaults are [02:58] I probably changed my mappings to more windows-like [02:58] yes, I suck, I know. [02:58] no, i have alt+f2 set, it just doesn't work. :P === andrewski will just have to join #kde. [02:59] .. mm enjoy [03:00] Shaquile: the only way i have heard to get flash working is in a chroot environment [03:02] Shaquile: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24575 === pussfeller [~todd@d187.rtcol.com] has joined #kubuntu === candyban [~candyban@dD5773D30.access.telenet.be] has left #kubuntu ["Kopete] === Brametal [~aguinaldo@200141155128.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #kubuntu [03:08] me again ehehehe [03:08] does anyone here use HPLIP ? === whiskers [~whiskers@ppp-68-89-184-102.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined #kubuntu [03:14] ok...i did find what was making kexi crash on new database....it says system supplied datasource object is missing....whatever that means [03:14] so apparently there is still something missing in the ubuntu system stuff [03:17] so many damn headaches trying to get a simple database designer working...no wonder everybody would rather pay MS for Access [03:18] whiskers: is there no 'Knoda' for ubuntu? [03:18] I used that briefly a long time ago - it might have matured a bit by now [03:18] gdh, i don't kow...well i will look [03:19] gdh, nope there is no knoda...i guess i could go compile it and see if it works...but i sure would like to know what system files are missing regarding DSO [03:20] It's over my head :) [03:20] gdh, well i think DSO stands for Data Source Object or something like that [03:20] that much I understand, no idea how they work on teh l00nicks [03:21] gdh, i will go try to compile knoda and see if it gets anywhere === _candyban [~candyban@dD5773D30.access.telenet.be] has joined #kubuntu [03:29] gdh, holy cow...knoda says first you have to have hk_classes....and then i went to compile hk_classes and it says you have to have a postgres driver...what the hell [03:30] that's dependencies for you :) === Kamping_Kaiser [~kaiser@ppp129-171.lns1.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #kubuntu [03:32] it would seem that knoda is supposed to bein ubuntu [03:32] http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/k/knoda/ [03:32] no .debs tho :) [03:32] gdh, ok i was able to use mysql and postgres drivers...but no sqllite driver [03:32] gdh, let me try to get hk_classes compiled [03:33] gdh, ubuntu doesn't have shit regarding the very important desktop database stuff === closure [~ubel@adsl-065-013-010-009.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #kubuntu [03:34] i am getting an error when updating [03:34] gdh, and there does not seem to be anyway i can get php working for DBMaster.php.....something seems very wrong with apache2-mpm-prefork-dev [03:35] I have no idea what any of that means :) === jsubl2 [~jsubl2@209.144.23.220] has joined #kubuntu === fejaor [~fejaor@65-125-117-244.dia.cust.qwest.net] has joined #kubuntu [03:38] E: /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4-0x1.6b7820000005ap-1363.4.0-0ubuntu3.1_all.deb: trying to overwrite `/usr/share/icons/default.kde', which is also in package knetworkconf [03:38] How can I configure my monitor if the only option I have is 640x480__ [03:38] that is the error i am getting when updating [03:38] ?? [03:38] can anybody give me an idea on how to fix this? [03:39] closure: this is a known problem - it wil be fixed in a day or rwo [03:39] nothing to worry about [03:41] How can I configure my monitor if the only option I have is 640x480__ [03:41] ?? [03:41] gdh, well ok...hk_classes compiled with a couple of drivers [03:41] gdh [03:41] k thanks [03:41] gdh, now let me try knoda [03:43] gdh any idea when gaim is going to be updated in the repositories? [03:44] gdh, you know when i think about i could have just paid MS about $100 ...11 years ago...and saved 11 years worth of headaches [03:44] anyone with my configuration problem__ [03:44] closure: I'm not a developer - I just watch the channel :) [03:44] ?? [03:44] fejaor: You've already been told the answer earlier [03:44] regarding modelines, etc. [03:45] gdh, ahh [03:45] fejaor [03:45] gdh, do you know where to ask for such updates? [03:45] whiskers: I got knoda running from .debs [03:45] gdh, it seems that it would have been cheaper to just pay MS for Access many years ago....than to go through all this crap for 11 years..and still not have it [03:45] whiskers: used the debian ones, plus a few dependencies on updated libraries etc. [03:45] you can use "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" or "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" [03:46] whiskers: If it's that precious for Access, use crossover office, or just run windows :) [03:46] gdh, well i am compiling it now...lets see how it will work [03:46] where__ [03:46] ?? [03:46] whiskers: i.e. I have knoda running now [03:46] gdh, it is not...i don't want to pay MS one dime...i already had to pay those bastards for one copy of Win98 [03:46] fejaor: it was /msg'd to you from what I understand [03:46] fejaor in a terminal [03:47] I did not receive anything [03:47] gdh, but the problem is you have to work your ass off for more than 11 years...to save the money on Access [03:47] ok... [03:47] in terminal what kamping_ [03:47] ? [03:48] you@yours:~ $ dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg [03:48] like that [03:48] whiskers: sounds like a better idea to pay $200 for a copy of Access, then :) [03:48] it is not about the money.. linux is more fun [03:49] access is a really good database === calc would rather not use database at all than be forced to use access as a backend [03:49] and that has nothing to do with floss vs proprietary [03:49] access is a real pos [03:50] doesn't even support the full sql standard [03:50] it said this: "reconfigure must be run as root" [03:50] you@yours:~ $sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg [03:50] passwd: [03:50] i had a prof that required us to use access as the backend of a project and then required us to do things he knew was nearly impossible to do since access didn't support it [03:51] then it will launch [03:51] calc, nobody gives a shit what command set it supports....what they care about is entering millions of interrelated pieces of data....and being able to sort on thousands of keys and to be able to design and print summary results from searches and sorts [03:51] whiskers: well if you can't do said sorts then its not useful [03:52] whiskers: its not that it supported something else instead, it uses sql, but it only supports a annoying subset of it [03:52] so to do sorts you have to figure out a way to do it in multiple stages since it doesn't support the command you want in particular === calc doesn't recall what it was exactly, some kind of inverse match iirc [03:53] calc, yes...you have to able to sort on a primary key...then subsort on a secondary key...etc....for thousands of stages...simultaneously [03:53] calc, for example...suppose i sorted last name, the subsort by first name, then subsort by zipcode, etc [03:53] hmm well perhaps i misused sort when i meant get a selection [03:53] just sorting isn't all that useful [03:54] calc, then design and print the summary filterization of the sorts and searches [03:54] you could do that in a spreadsheet [03:54] calc, well i haven [03:54] calc, well i haven't seen any spreadsheet that can handle thousands of sort and search keys [03:55] calc, we are talking about a desktop database system [03:55] desktop shouldn't mean purposely crippled [03:56] now if access was easy to use in even the simple case i could see it not supporting some stuff [03:56] but access isn't easy to use for even trivial stuff [03:56] and so removing parts of the language isn't making it somehow magically easier to use either === _cowboy [~cowboy@201.254.157.3] has joined #kubuntu === _cowboy is now known as cowboy_ [03:58] gdh, ok knoda did compile ...lets see what it can do [03:58] It's quite pleasant and familiar :) [03:59] Have been tinkering with it for the last 10 mins [03:59] gdh, well shit...first we had to get a kernel working [03:59] it's an official Debian package, so it shouldn't belong before ubuntu gets it in breezy [03:59] gdh, unless you want to pay MS for that too [04:01] gdh, ok...knoda logged into postgres...now lets see what it can do === etzerd [~etzerd@ool-4357b1bc.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #kubuntu [04:02] gdh, it does seem to have some reporting ability...but i don't see the RAD design features. [04:03] I only work with mysql so I've no idea what you mean by that [04:04] gdh, it sees the elements in georgedb....but it does not seem to have table creation...table interrelations...field definitions...etc [04:04] gdh, i don't think knoda is ready yet [04:04] gdh, but it does connect.....and that is important [04:04] hello all [04:04] gdh, because kexi and glom do not === etzerd [~etzerd@ool-4357b1bc.dyn.optonline.net] has left #kubuntu ["Konversation] [04:05] :) [04:06] gdh, well maybe it does have a little stuff...i double clicked on the table element to georgedb and there is some ability to create a few things === brenton [~brenton@ip68-110-139-182.nc.hr.cox.net] has joined #kubuntu [04:09] whiskers: have fun - I'm off to bed. nn. === calc wonders if any of the linux database apps have good intro docs on how to make databases properly [04:10] creating a database properly is not something a user would just automatically know how to do wrt normalization, etc === fejaor [~fejaor@65-125-117-244.dia.cust.qwest.net] has joined #kubuntu [04:12] hey [04:13] :) back [04:14] calc, yes they have know it intuitively since TRS-80 Model 1 [04:15] calc, and they have made extensive use of it....suppose i was the Social Security Administration [04:15] calc, and i needed to store information on millions of people [04:15] if you are a dba at SSA you should know how to create a proper database i would imagine ;) [04:15] calc, and uh...i needed to be able to search and sort on thousands of keys among thousands of intterelated tables [04:16] calc, and then i needed to be able to filter these arbitrarily....and design and print summary statistics [04:16] ok [04:16] . === downclimb [~johnson@host-69-145-229-49.cac-co.client.bresnan.net] has joined #kubuntu [04:16] so this mythical app does this all for you? [04:17] calc, now you either had to pay MS $100 for Access or else you had to work your ass off for 11 years to get a kernel and some gui tools and a RAD database design program [04:17] or did you mean users actually know how to do any of this? ;) [04:17] just having access doesn't mean you know how to create a database properly [04:17] and access won't do that for you [04:17] now if you just want to play with data your dba made for you that is different [04:18] or do the RAD design programs (access not being one of them) do that for you? [04:18] at least i don't recall access ever trying to auto normalize my tables [04:18] calc, yes it does and that is why the Texas Unemployment Commission makes extensive use of Access....but uh they had $100 to pay for Access [04:19] calc, we had to build everything from scatch....so as not to have to pay one dime [04:19] hmm === calc starts up access to look for this auto normalization stuff [04:21] calc, it has nothing to do about autonormalization...it has to do with being able to create millions of table entries...thousands of keys...diagram the interrelationships among the tables...and design the report system [04:21] calc, and plus...MS set it up so that if Access was not fast enough ...they could buy MSSQL server...and port their data....clever bastards [04:23] so it still isn't enough for someone that doesn't understand databases already, or else they will need someone to do the initial setup [04:24] but it is enough for a PHB to use it === calc bbl === jsubl2 [~jsubl2@209.144.23.220] has joined #kubuntu === jubei [~jubei@ppp45-22.lns1.adl1.internode.on.net] has joined #kubuntu === fejaor [~fejaor@65-125-117-244.dia.cust.qwest.net] has joined #kubuntu === mmuzzy [~mmuzzy@ip24-250-44-152.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #kubuntu === mmuzzy [~mmuzzy@ip24-250-44-152.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #kubuntu === andrewski [~andrewski@pool-70-110-173-246.phil.east.verizon.net] has joined #kubuntu === regeya [~shane@dialup-4.159.181.40.Dial1.Chicago1.Level3.net] has joined #kubuntu === ttf [~tom@p83.129.1.188.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #kubuntu === fejaor [~fejaor@65-125-117-244.dia.cust.qwest.net] has joined #kubuntu === johnny__ [~johnny@69-165-89-196.albyny.adelphia.net] has joined #kubuntu [05:13] hello [05:13] hi [05:15] hmm. I have an issue, but I guess It'll have to wait untill tomarrow. [05:15] whats up? === FireEgl [Ariel@Atlantica.US.TO] has joined #Kubuntu [05:16] I'm trying to use ndiswrapper to get my wifi card to work [05:16] :\ [05:16] ugly? [05:16] using the howto from the ubuntu wiki [05:17] and I can't do the 'modprobe ndiswrapper' command... [05:17] why does it fail? [05:17] says 'operation not permitted' [05:18] try as root [05:18] sudo modprobe gives the same error [05:19] right. did you do a standard install or a custom install? === chavo [~chavo@37.sub-166-153-50.myvzw.com] has joined #kubuntu [05:20] erm. [05:20] I went by the howto... [05:20] I'm not sure if that's standard or not [05:20] of kubuntu. did you do a standard install or custom? [05:21] oh, standard. [05:21] ok. um. [05:21] I was having the same issue when I was in Gnome too. === pussfeller [~todd@d187.rtcol.com] has joined #kubuntu [05:21] did you kubuntufy an ubuntu install, or its this kubuntu proper? [05:22] can you sudo other things? [05:22] I kubuntuified (? ;P) an ubuntu install. [05:23] maybe a update-modules would help [05:23] ok. using hte kubuntu-desktop package? that should be ok [05:23] yhea, the apt-get command from the kubuntu page === DarkPurpose [1000@ppp-cda-172.icehouse.net] has joined #kubuntu === mainer [~mainer3@bb-205-209-66-182.gwi.net] has joined #kubuntu [05:32] Kamping_Kaiser, yes...that is what i did....i added kde after working with gnome...because i could not find a gnome database program that worked [05:32] ok. interesting [05:32] i have kde, so i can give ppl support with it ;) [05:34] Kamping_Kaiser, now the nice thing...is that you can use gdm to start a kde session or a gnome session....and also..if you are in gnome...you can run some kde apps and the fonts look very nice [05:34] anyone who knows how to download and install all the necessary plugins for Konqueror?? [05:34] fejaor, well i got them for firefox..but i don't know how to tell Konq...where the plugins are...i know where they are but i don't know how to tell Konq [05:35] whiskers. what i do is use gnome, and start kde in a nested x sesion if i need it [05:35] Kamping_Kaiser, yes you can do it either way [05:35] Kamping_Kaiser, or you can have a totally consistent kde session [05:35] I imagine that I can download firefox in ubuntu with no problem of interference between it and konqueror?? [05:36] this is probably hte wrong place to say this... but i prefer gnome. [05:36] fejaor thats right [05:36] Kamping_Kaiser, fejaor no...they don't seem to interfere at this time [05:36] I think i'm kind of more familiar with the use of GNOME [05:37] fejaor, well yes...but gnome is seriously lacking on a database program...only one person seems to have glom working [05:37] fejaor, and i don't know what version of postgres he is using [05:37] I like how glom look though [05:38] it look nicer and cleaner than gnome :D [05:38] can someone help fejaor with kynaptic? i wuold but i cant launch it because im using apt to dist-upgrade [05:38] :S [05:39] Kamping_Kaiser, yes kynaptic is very easy [05:39] Kamping_Kaiser, you just click on the uninstalled programs...and look through the list that scrolls === Kamping_Kaiser uses synaptic or apt. and im using apt now, so the files are locked [05:39] you now what? [05:39] thanks for all your help [05:39] Kamping_Kaiser, and whatever you want...you just click on it....and do the commit button [05:40] I really appreciate it but Ithink I will switch back to GNOME [05:40] there's just a lot of troubles with this [05:40] :S [05:40] :( [05:40] fejaor, well you have both...so you can alternate as you desire [05:40] how?? [05:40] fejaor, just tell gdm which session you want to start [05:41] how? [05:41] fejaor, well log out...and get back to gdm....and look at the sessions button [05:41] and then what? [05:41] fejaor, well tell it if you want to start a gnome session or a kde session [05:42] ok [05:42] try that [05:42] thanks [05:44] uh, sorry to be off topic, folks, but what's the command to search for channels in irc? === wpyle [~chatzilla@r49h66.res.gatech.edu] has joined #kubuntu [05:47] smouche, it is very easy in kvirc [05:47] smouche, and it makes a nice scrollable list of the 2000channels [05:48] smouche, and you can pick any one you want [05:48] smouche, it would be nice if kde menu system had the same feature [05:48] whiskers, actually all I wanted was the search syntax [05:49] thought it was something like /list *searchterm* [05:49] smouche, oh...ok the hard way....type /list after you log into the server [05:49] right, [05:49] hello. samba can't see my network. It was working before, until I installed a wireless network card to share my internet with my laptop. now samba only sees the laptop. is there any way to work around this? [05:50] after logging in, I know how to get the whole list, whiskers, but I know I was able to display search results in my window here before -- anyway, thanks [05:50] smouche, well that is what is nice about kvirc [05:51] whiskers, I found it: /cs list *example* [05:51] it was the cs part I didn't remember... [05:53] not if I knew how to filter out all the dead channels... [05:53] does anybody have the slightest idea what this message means in regards to kexi [05:54] Using host libthread_db library "/lib/tls/i686/cmov/libthread_db.so.1". [05:54] `system-supplied DSO at 0xffffe000' has disappeared; keeping its symbols. [05:54] [Thread debugging using libthread_db enabled] [05:54] [New Thread -1234713568 (LWP 3052)] [05:54] [KCrash handler] [05:54] #4 0xffffe410 in __kernel_vsyscall () [05:54] #5 0xb7e04175 in raise () from /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6 [05:54] #6 0xb7e057d8 in abort () from /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6 [05:54] #7 0xbfffedb0 in ?? () [05:54] #8 0x00000000 in ?? () [05:54] #9 0x00000020 in ?? () [05:54] #10 0x00000000 in ?? () [05:55] #11 0x00000000 in ?? () [05:55] #12 0x00000000 in ?? () === chavo [~chavo@37.sub-166-153-50.myvzw.com] has joined #kubuntu [05:55] #13 0x00000000 in ?? () [05:55] #14 0x00000000 in ?? () [05:55] #15 0x00000000 in ?? () [05:55] #16 0x00000000 in ?? () [05:55] #17 0x00000000 in ?? () [05:55] #18 0x00000000 in ?? () [05:55] #19 0x00000000 in ?? () [05:55] #20 0x00000000 in ?? () [05:55] #21 0x00000000 in ?? () [05:55] #22 0x00000000 in ?? () [05:55] #23 0x00000000 in ?? () [05:55] #24 0x00000000 in ?? () [05:55] #25 0x00000000 in ?? () [05:55] #26 0x00000000 in ?? () [05:55] #27 0x00000000 in ?? () [05:55] #28 0x00000000 in ?? () [05:55] #29 0x00000000 in ?? () [05:55] #30 0x00000000 in ?? () [05:55] #31 0x00000000 in ?? () [05:55] #32 0x00000000 in ?? () [05:55] #33 0x00000000 in ?? () [05:55] #34 0x00000000 in ?? () [05:55] #35 0x00000000 in ?? () [05:55] #36 0x00000000 in ?? () [05:55] #37 0x00000000 in ?? () [05:56] #38 0x00000000 in ?? () [05:56] #39 0x00000000 in ?? () [05:56] #40 0x00000000 in ?? () [05:56] #41 0xb7e47307 in _IO_file_write () from /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6 [05:56] does this mean anything to anybody [05:56] seems like it is related to some system supplied DSO...but i don't have the foggiest idea what is missing in ubuntu [05:56] libc.so.6 seems to be involved [05:56] smouche, can you make sense of that kexi backtrace [05:57] but yes, there is some DSO stuff not proper in ubuntu. [05:57] because it doesnt use it [05:57] Kamping_Kaiser, well ubuntu really needs to fix this stuff [05:58] but thats what kubuntu is for === moist [~moist@60-240-186-63.tpgi.com.au] has joined #kubuntu [06:01] hi I'm having trouble trying to get my onboard isa crystal sound chip working cs4325-JQ [06:02] isa? yes. you will be. :( [06:02] do you have the extra packages installed? [06:03] what would they be?? [06:03] make sure you have alsa [06:04] to be honest i dont remember, and the files i have it in are on another computer [06:05] whiskers , sorry, I can't. I'm not that literate in computing. [06:06] God, it's ironic. When I used windows, firefox made it almost usable. [06:06] Now in linux, I find myself despising firefox! [06:06] 0_o [06:06] wow [06:06] what do you use now? [06:07] firefox, but not happily [06:07] oh. === Kamping_Kaiser happily uses FF [06:07] opera, once I've figured out the plug-ins etc [06:08] god ssh is cool [06:08] actually, I'm using a text only browser more and more, elinks [06:08] that takes some learning though. === k7 [~k7@202.150.66.1] has joined #kubuntu [06:08] smouche, is elinks like lynx...lynx was very fast for moving around the internet === licio [~licio@BHE048181.res-com.wayinternet.com.br] has joined #kubuntu [06:09] yes, whiskers, but it's a little easier to use, I think, and better, sort of handling of tables etc [06:09] but I haven't really used lynx, so I can't make a fair comparison. [06:09] smouche, hmmm. i will have to look at it...sounds interesting === jubei [~jubei@ppp45-22.lns1.adl1.internode.on.net] has joined #kubuntu [06:10] oh well...at least knoda connects and has a few functions....maybe it will continue to improve [06:11] i just don't know what is wrong with kexi and glom....that backtrace is not very revealing to me [06:11] whiskers, there's also something called w3m you might look at too -- keyboard commands are closer to a graphical browsers, very pretty === licio [~licio@licio.user] has left #kubuntu ["Konversation] [06:13] maybe if i go back and recompile libc6....it might have some DSO options or something in its config files === Kamping_Kaiser is now known as Kaiser_away [06:17] ls_mod only shows snd_mixer_oss but Kynaptic says alsa is installed [06:18] Does Kubuntu support evdev input for the mouse? [06:18] damm did Kamping_Kaiser go [06:19] yes. but here for a tic ;) [06:20] im about to go [06:20] a frig I want to get this sound chip working I had xp installed on this machine and it works [06:21] Kynaptic says I have alsa base, alsa utils installed [06:22] ls_mod shows I only have snd_mixer_oss loaded though [06:22] search for things containing isa. i would go grab the docs over the net, but im using my bandwidth, so it would take for ever [06:23] what on net or in lsmod [06:23] k. gtg. [06:23] on the net [06:23] bbl [06:23] k thanx [06:24] well i am tired today...this bad libc6...and missing Makefiles on rekall....and scons not finding qt....and kexi and glom not connecting...has left me tired right now [06:26] oh ...and i don't want to forget that apache2-mfm-dev doesn't want PHP to work either [06:26] what a day [06:27] moist, try seeing if your card is working at all. go to control center -> sound & multimedia -> sound system, and change audio device to oss, and click test sound [06:30] or, go to terminal, and type "cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp" should hear noise, ctrl-c to stop [06:31] heh, if you have access to an iexplore.exe, try cat iexplore.exe > /dev/dsp, it sounds evil :D === DarkPurpose [1000@ppp-cda-172.icehouse.net] has left #kubuntu ["Leaving"] === mainer [~mainer3@bb-205-209-66-182.gwi.net] has left #kubuntu ["Leaving"] [06:45] sorry was away ok tried it not working [06:46] bugger [06:48] nope didn't work either if anyone else has any ideas I'm open === Kaiser_away is now known as Kamping_Kaiser [06:50] lol wpyle ;) nice one [06:52] why is that funny :( [06:52] no sound is not funny [06:53] (14:01:01) wpyle: heh, if you have access to an iexplore.exe, try cat iexplore.exe > /dev/dsp, it sounds evil :D [06:53] thats funny :) [06:53] ok. so sound doesnt work. in a terminal try running "alsaconfig" and "sndconfig" [06:54] ah [06:54] sudo alsaconfig command not found [06:55] same for sndconfig [06:55] ubuntu doesn't come with those [06:55] no, you need to install them [06:56] and iirc ppl have had problems finding htem. i dont remember how i got htem [06:56] I'd check and see if any sound modules are loaded first and foremost [06:56] lsmod should give some info [06:56] lspci could yield some results also [06:57] they wont be loaded [06:58] That's why I'm glad I have stuff that "just works" [06:58] yeah there are sound modules there with lsmod Can I post my snd lsmod?? [06:59] 863 bytes with that be a flood?? [06:59] lol. so true randabis. i deal with shit like ths where i do some volenteer stuff [07:00] indeed [07:00] look I'm poor [07:00] :) [07:00] :) [07:00] you "could" just post the lines relevent to sound from the lsmod [07:00] but that's not really going to tell "us" much === hyapadi [~hyapadi@203.128.85.17] has joined #kubuntu [07:01] yeah thats what I was saying it 863 bytes [07:01] how many lines. thats what counts as flood [07:01] bout 17 [07:02] flood [07:02] do it in 5s [07:03] snd_opl3_lib 10112 1 snd_cs4236 [07:03] snd_hwdep 9220 1 snd_opl3_lib [07:03] snd_cs4236_lib 16000 1 snd_cs4236 [07:03] snd_mpu401_uart 7168 1 snd_cs4236 [07:03] snd_rawmidi 22944 1 snd_mpu401_uart [07:04] snd_rawmidi 22944 1 snd_mpu401_uart [07:04] snd_seq_device 8332 2 snd_opl3_lib,snd_rawmidi [07:04] snd_cs4231_lib 24832 2 snd_cs4236,snd_cs4236_lib [07:04] snd_pcm_oss 47652 0 [07:04] snd_mixer_oss 16768 1 snd_pcm_oss [07:04] snd_mixer_oss 16768 1 snd_pcm_oss [07:04] snd_pcm 84872 3 snd_cs4236_lib,snd_cs4231_lib,snd_pcm_oss [07:04] snd_timer 23300 3 snd_opl3_lib,snd_cs4231_lib,snd_pcm [07:04] snd 50276 12 snd_cs4236,snd_opl3_lib,snd_hwdep,snd_cs4236_lib,snd_mpu401_uart,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_device,snd_cs4231_lib,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer [07:05] can you go [07:05] soundcore 9824 1 snd [07:05] :~ $ lspci |grep audio [07:05] snd_page_alloc 9604 2 snd_cs4231_lib,snd_pcm [07:05] ah you have the old yamaha opl3 [07:05] I believe some people have had issues with it, but fixed them [07:06] *does some digging* === licio [~licio@BHE048181.res-com.wayinternet.com.br] has joined #kubuntu [07:06] I did that what does it do just went to new prompt [07:07] so it didnt print anything out? [07:07] crystal audio onboard dound chip [07:07] board [07:07] sound [07:07] lol === moist embarressed noobie [07:08] all good mate ;) where you from? [07:09] brisbane Australia [07:09] cool === Kamping_Kaiser is in adelaide [07:10] please don't use alsaconf [07:10] ah ok [07:10] (it was ripped out of alsa-utils for a reason) [07:11] who me ??? [07:11] please paste the output of amixer onto http://pastebin.com [07:11] alsaconf. yeh. noticed it was missing [07:11] any reason particularly? [07:11] crimsun. what do we use instead? [07:12] insecure temp files, also rendered mostly useless by hotplug [07:12] Kamping_Kaiser: nothing. [07:12] Kamping_Kaiser: the only corner case is isa cards, and a solution is being worked on [07:12] k.... [07:12] so we hand set isa cards?' [07:12] for now, yes [07:12] ok. will pass that on ;) [07:12] paste bin so I just put a name paste and send [07:13] moist: yep [07:13] done [07:13] well [07:13] your Master and PCM are both muted [07:13] linux+dance music==good mix [07:14] so they work if I umtue them .... how?? [07:14] unmute [07:15] you should be able to in kmix [07:15] use a mixer. I prefer alsamixer, so I press 'm' [07:16] I only seem to have kmix [07:18] nope I do [07:18] have alsamixer [07:18] what sort of machine is this on? [07:20] old gateway E3200 [07:20] PIII [07:20] 450 [07:23] k [07:24] I've switched them on I tried the test sound in sound system no joy and the cat test as before as well [07:25] do you have pcmcia-cs installed? [07:25] its a desktop not a lappy [07:25] doesn't matter [07:25] you need a file from that package. [07:26] dpkg -l pcmcia-cs|grep ^ii [07:28] if that returns nothing, then install pcmcia-cs, then paste the output of lspnp -v onto pastebin.com [07:28] dpkg: need an action option [07:28] Type dpkg --help for help about installing and deinstalling packages [*] ; [07:28] Use dselect for user-friendly package management; [07:28] Type dpkg -Dhelp for a list of dpkg debug flag values; [07:28] Type dpkg --force-help for a list of forcing options; [07:28] Type dpkg-deb --help for help about manipulating *.deb files; [07:28] Type dpkg --licence for copyright licence and lack of warranty (GNU GPL) [*] . [07:29] copy and paste the command I gave you [07:31] sorry i thought it was | === incubii [~incubii@cor9-ppp469.hay.dialup.connect.net.au] has joined #kubuntu [07:32] returned: No packages found matching pcmcia-cs. [07:33] ok, so follow the next set of instructions I gave you :) [07:34] can I use: sudo apt-get install pcmcia-cs [07:35] ok I can === ubuntu [~ubuntu@ip68-10-139-214.hr.hr.cox.net] has joined #kubuntu === ubuntu [~ubuntu@ip68-10-139-214.hr.hr.cox.net] has left #kubuntu ["Konversation] [07:36] crimsun: its one line->lspnp: /proc/bus/pnp not available [07:40] would plug and play os support turned off in bios have anything to do with this not working [07:40] it should be turned off, that's correct [07:43] (trying to find the correct mixer element combo) === us [~us@ip68-108-92-247.lv.lv.cox.net] has joined #kubuntu [07:47] moist: ok, now unmute both Master Digitals [07:47] moist: and adjust the volumes [07:49] ok [07:49] then open up sound system and test sound?? [07:49] yep [07:50] hah, artsd just died [07:52] pcmcia-cs still isn't in lsmod and modprobe pcmcia-cs returns FATAL: Module pcmcia_cs not found [07:52] disregard pcmcia-cs [07:52] you can remove the package === _orospakr [~orospakr@CPE0004762b7051-CM001225701f0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #kubuntu === da_bon_bon [~rohandhru@203.212.221.132] has joined #kubuntu [07:55] <_orospakr> is one not supposed to install kde after install kubuntu-desktop on a hoary box? [07:56] kubuntu-desktop is the base metapackage [07:56] <_orospakr> s/after install/after installing/ [07:56] it comes with kde [07:58] crimsun: will the alsa mixer settings stay the same after reboot [07:58] <_orospakr> yes, I know. but trying to install 'kde' in order to gain the other packages from universe causes conflicts (trying to overwrite `/usr/share/icons/default.kde', which is also in package knetworkconf), and also seems to change a lot of kde's behaviour. the nice kubuntu loading screen is gone, for instance. [07:59] iirc thats a know problem === da_bon_bon [~rohandhru@203.212.221.132] has joined #kubuntu [08:01] moist: yes [08:02] moist: got it working yet? [08:02] crimsun: nope [08:02] I don't get it when I installed XP it worked fine [08:02] which mixer elements did you unmute/ [08:03] it's a mixer issue - one or more mixer elements are muted that need to be unmuted [08:03] there's nothing actually wrong === _matt [~matt@203-173-8-191.perm.iinet.net.au] has joined #kubuntu [08:05] Ive tried master, master dig, dig 1 pcm and various combos of each === _matt is now known as Wilf2 [08:06] master mono as well [08:06] master mono isn't the correct one [08:06] well its muted at the mo anyhow [08:06] there is an fm one thats muted as well [08:07] so is the 3d controller [08:07] the important ones are master, master digital, pcm, dsp, aux, and playback [08:08] wOOt [08:09] :D [08:09] thanks crimsun [08:09] np === _ubuntu [~ubuntu@cpe-24-27-84-241.houston.res.rr.com] has joined #kubuntu [08:11] <_orospakr> Kamping_Kaiser: what actually is the root of that problem? :) === _ubuntu is now known as chmod === chmod is now known as madspaz [08:14] crimsun whats the module for midi [08:14] got no midi playback [08:14] snd-seq === _jrk_ [~jrk@24-148-87-160.hnc-bsr1.chi-hnc.il.cable.rcn.com] has joined #kubuntu [08:16] _orospakr not exactly sure. but i have heard of it before [08:17] crimsun I've got snd_seq_device [08:18] moist: now you need snd-seq and snd-seq-oss [08:20] ok after modprobe its (in paste bin) === da_bon_bon [~rohandhru@203.212.221.132] has joined #kubuntu [08:22] is firefox somewhere on this cd? === da_bon_bon [~rohandhru@203.212.221.132] has joined #kubuntu [08:24] madspaz: no. [08:24] madspaz: make sure the main restricted deb line is enabled, then install it from the 'net === da_bon_bon [~rohandhru@203.212.221.132] has joined #kubuntu [08:25] crimsun: ok [08:26] crimsun: worked [08:26] crimsun: thanks, kinda new to debian. Been BSD all my life :) [08:26] :) === pussfeller [~todd@d187.rtcol.com] has joined #kubuntu === shogouki [~nicolas@AMontpellier-251-1-46-226.w81-251.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu === incubii [~incubii@cor9-ppp469.hay.dialup.connect.net.au] has joined #kubuntu [08:47] hmm appears windows 2000 server sp4 doesnt like qemu [08:48] but winxpsp2 does [08:48] :) [08:57] its freaky seeing Windows XP running on PPC linuc [08:57] linux* === Kamping_Kaiser [~kaiser@ppp129-171.lns1.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #kubuntu === Wilf3 [~Wilf@203-173-8-191.perm.iinet.net.au] has joined #kubuntu [08:58] i have a noob question :( [08:58] cool [08:58] alright. [08:58] i'm trying to put in a new menu item for amsn [08:58] ...what do i put in cammand? [08:58] command* [08:59] amsn [08:59] i expect [08:59] yuh i figured as much [08:59] but which file do i edit to make it so that typing "amsn" into terminal makes amsn start? === malte [~fom@81-224-200-44-no45.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #kubuntu [09:00] at the moment i have to cd to the directory and go ./amsn === k7 [~k7@202.150.66.1] has joined #kubuntu === k7 [~k7@202.150.66.1] has left #kubuntu ["Konversation] [09:00] then put the full path in. [09:00] are you trying to make a launcher? [09:00] in where? [09:00] yes i am [09:01] so how did you open the launcher [09:01] ? [09:01] the reason you cant type amsn anywhere is because the directory is not in the PATH variable [09:01] incubii, yes! how do i put it in there? [09:02] well to try it out to make sure that is why goto console and type "export PATH=$PATH;/amsndirectory [09:03] then in the same console goto say / and see if it works [09:03] to permantly do it though you would need to edit your bash profile i beleive [09:03] did you compile amsn? [09:04] i installed it from a .bin [09:04] so just ./amsn-blah.bin === whiskers [~whiskers@adsl-68-90-44-192.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined #kubuntu [09:04] oh ok [09:05] was gonna say there might be an installer for root user to put it in /bin and other locations [09:05] i wish i knew why my dsl line keeps getting knocked out [09:05] as /bin is in the path variable [09:05] ok [09:05] how do i make it permanent? [09:05] the just "amsn" [09:05] i can't believe someone at MS said Access was worth $200....I would not even pay $100 [09:06] i paid $0.20...the cost of a CD-R [09:06] Wilf3, well that is against the law in the US [09:06] against the law most places due to berne [09:07] illegal yes...better then paying $200...yes [09:07] to make it permanent you could edit /etc/bash.profile [09:07] ah that's the file! [09:07] thanks! [09:07] Wilf3, well you dont have to be illegal...you can work your ass off for 11 years and get something working yourself [09:07] Wilf3, and save $100 [09:08] use of commercial software without paying for it is just as bad as using it and paying for it [09:08] don't do either [09:08] lol === faked_ [~faked@83-65-234-202.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #kubuntu [09:08] i obtained it for free legally [09:08] and dont use it [09:08] :D [09:08] the more people using floss software the more likely there will be improvements made to it :) [09:08] well i'm using kubuntu...so that's a start [09:08] Wilf3, yes kubuntu is nicer than ubuntu alone [09:09] btw how do you install kubuntu from the ubuntu dvd images? [09:09] from what i read it was supposed to be possible [09:09] but i couldn't determine what to type [09:10] calc, you just get ubuntu and then find everything you can on kde stuff and use synaptic to get it all [09:10] hrm that sucks [09:11] well obviously installing the kubuntu metapackage will probably do that [09:11] calc, well it was only about 600 files [09:11] isn't the kubuntu-desktop metapackage included? [09:11] but having an option to do it via the dvd would be nicer [09:11] eg default to booting the ubuntu installer but be able to type "kubuntu" to use it instead [09:11] calc, the 600 or so files only took about 6 hours to come in on synaptic [09:11] whiskers: oh the files themselves are on the dvd [09:12] so no need to network install them [09:12] calc, i don't know about any dvd [09:12] calc, i just download off of synaptic [09:12] ok === ztonzy [~ztonzy@ztonzy.artist.blender] has joined #kubuntu [09:17] calc, and kde is nice...that quanta plus is very competitive with conglomerate === darkaudi1 [~bpack@pool-151-205-45-125.clrk.east.verizon.net] has joined #kubuntu [09:18] uniq_: I updated the FAQ like you asked [09:18] calc, and k designer is very competitive with glade [09:18] calc, depending on which widgets you prefer to work with...gnome or kde [09:18] can i get kubuntu to access NTFS partitions? [09:19] Wilf3, that is a kernel issue [09:19] wilf3 yes [09:19] ...how? [09:19] captive ntfs [09:19] Wilf3, first you have to see if ubuntu compiled ntfs support in kernel [09:19] Wilf3, and there is separate read and write support [09:19] look in the faq. theres instructions [09:20] ok :\ [09:20] Wilf3, you may have to compile your own linux kernel [09:20] aw man :( [09:20] shouldent [09:20] read is ok. just read the faq. [09:21] you need to set guid=0222 or somthing in your fstab [09:21] where's the faq? :\ [09:21] # /dev/sda1 /mnt/sda1 ntfs umask=0222 0 0 [09:21] /dev/sda2 /mnt/sda2 ntfs umask=0222 0 0 # System folders [09:21] /dev/sda5 /mnt/sda5 ntfs umask=0222 0 0 [09:21] /dev/sda6 /mnt/sda6 ntfs umask=0222 0 0 # Storage [09:21] /dev/sda7 /mnt/sda7 ntfs umask=0222 0 0 # Media [09:21] like that [09:21] he ntfs drives show up in my folder thingy [09:22] but it says it can't mount them or something [09:22] do ^^ that and you can mount them. youstill cant read though [09:22] ok where is that [09:22] so i can edit it [09:22] cant WRITE [09:22] can READ [09:23] read is good [09:23] as root type [09:23] cat vi /etc/fstab [09:23] Wilf3, you have to compile your own kernel if you want all the features of linux [09:23] or nano or emacs or whatever you use [09:23] mmm nano [09:23] ooo pico [09:24] Wilf3, i think i will go compile a kernel just to see if ubuntu works === ztonzy [~ztonzy@ztonzy.artist.blender] has joined #kubuntu === ztonzy [~ztonzy@ztonzy.artist.blender] has joined #kubuntu [09:26] damn it its takin forever to install the devices [09:26] Wilf3, so far make config...seems to be working with a kernel compilation [09:27] Wilf3, so it probably is possible...but i have not done one in a while [09:27] # [09:27] sudo mkdir /media/windows [09:27] # To mount Windows partition [09:27] sudo mount /dev/hda1 /media/windows/ -t ntfs -o umask=0222 [09:27] # To unmount Windows partition [09:27] sudo umount /media/windows/ [09:27] wouldn't that work? [09:28] or something like that - anyway, that's from ubuntuguide.org [09:29] hmmm [09:29] do i put that in my /etc/fstab? [09:29] imean can i add it myself? [09:29] like this [09:29] # /etc/fstab: static file system information. [09:29] # [09:29] # [09:29] proc /proc proc defaults 0 0 [09:29] /dev/hda5 / ext3 defaults,errors=remount-ro 0 1 [09:29] /dev/hdc /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto 0 0 [09:29] /dev/hdd /media/cdrom1 udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto 0 0 [09:29] /dev/fd0 /media/floppy0 auto rw,user,noauto 0 0 [09:29] /dev/hda [09:30] /dev/hdb [09:30] oops === ztonzy [~ztonzy@ztonzy.artist.blender] has joined #kubuntu [09:30] well, ubuntuguide has this: [09:30] # [09:30] Assumed that /dev/hda1 is the location of Windows partition (NTFS) [09:30] Local mount folder: /media/windows [09:30] # [09:30] sudo mkdir /media/windows [09:31] sudo cp /etc/fstab /etc/fstab_backup [09:31] sudo gedit /etc/fstab [09:31] # Append the following line at the end of file [09:31] /dev/hda1 /media/windows ntfs umask=0222 0 0 [09:31] ah ok [09:32] i also want to mount my other hdd [09:32] is that just hdb [09:32] or hdb1? [09:35] glad im not relying on winxp install in qemu [09:35] is it a new hard drive or a new parition? [09:35] its been 37 minutes since it said it would be 37 minutes to install devices and it still says 37 minutes [09:35] :D [09:35] um...neither [09:35] lol [09:35] existing partition with ntfs [09:36] ? [09:36] the ohter hdd you want to mount. is that a partition or a drvie [09:36] oh. physical drive. === pointwood [~pointwood@212.242.222.232] has joined #kubuntu [09:36] primary slave. [09:37] hdb [09:37] wow what a bunch of crap...look at MS getting back into the browser business [09:37] At any rate, Microsoft should put their resources into making one killer browser. Make it as lightweight as Netscape 2.0 was, yet support the latest CSS kung-fu. Implement all of the latest widgets and hoohaws as plugins so I can remove ActiveX support if I want. And above all, make it cross platform. Use a library like FLTK so it can be used just about anywhere. [09:38] now they want to support the latest CSS KUNGFU [09:38] "make it cross platform." why the fuck would they do that [09:38] yeh ^ agreed [09:38] they won't ....they are not stupid [09:38] they already do [09:38] it works in OS X [09:38] hence its cross platform :P [09:38] :) [09:38] incubii, well maybe they are stupid [09:39] incubii, i don't know..i heard they only gave Apple a worthless piece of shit version 5..not even 6 [09:39] they have the yellow bar at the top when a plugin is missing like firefox, does now [09:40] oh i never said it was good :P [09:40] ive used it [09:40] ok did that [09:40] edited my fstab [09:40] now it goes "only root can mount blah on blah" [09:40] sudo umount -a [09:40] how do i make it so it mounts on boot? [09:40] sudo mount -a [09:40] if its in fstab it will [09:41] css KUNGFU....that is funny [09:41] so if i reboot all should be good? [09:41] yes. or just mount as shown above [09:41] brb rebooting [09:41] k [09:42] whats wrong with what i sugested? === whiteknight [~james@jac208.caths.cam.ac.uk] has joined #kubuntu === Wilf [~Wilf@203-173-8-191.perm.iinet.net.au] has joined #kubuntu [09:46] smouche and Kamping_Kaiser, thanks, it all works now :) [09:46] has anyone ever got xscavenger to work? [09:46] i can start the game but it does nothin [09:46] :) sweet [09:46] no incubii, [09:46] dont have it [09:47] ohhh thanks incubii too [09:48] what type of game is it incubii? [09:48] has anyone got to displays on there nvidia car working under xorg [09:48] two [09:49] its a loderunner clone [09:49] incubii i have it working [09:49] just installed then ;) [09:49] yeah i just worked it out [09:49] the enemies dont work all the time [09:49] lol [09:50] incubii, you should check out openmortal....very great knockoff of Mortal Kombat 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,87, [09:50] yeah i thought of getting that === _tom [~tom@adavid.com.au] has joined #kubuntu [09:52] incubii, well maybe i can compile it for you and make a deb on alien and upload it to you on skype [09:52] incubii, unless you want to do it yourself [09:52] only if you can compile PPC [09:52] incubii, no..i don't have ppc hardware [09:52] incubii, you will have to do it yourself [09:52] guess ill have to do it then :P [09:54] Wilf -> http://www.jankratochvil.net/project/captive/ [09:55] nice, incubii [09:56] ii'll try it [09:56] knoppix uses it [09:57] cool [09:57] there's a thingy i need to install to support nvidia video cards? [09:57] not as such [09:57] theres stuff you could install to make them work better [09:58] yuh [09:58] that's what i mean [09:58] theres the .run file from nvidia, and [09:58] nvidia-glx or somthing [09:59] yuh [09:59] so start with them ;o [10:01] hey Wilf, cool- enjoy! === dimmak [~dimmak@lsanca1-ar55-4-65-118-030.lsanca1.dsl-verizon.net] has joined #kubuntu === hal9k1x [~hal9k1x@Daa8d.d.pppool.de] has joined #kubuntu === hal9k1x is now known as wuschel [10:11] this is great [10:11] QEMU runs on CPU1 and everythign else is running on CPU2 === DaBlade [~dablade@ti231210a080-4176.bb.online.no] has joined #kubuntu [10:12] Hello [10:12] I'm running Fedora Core 3, and I'm considering switching to Kubuntu, but there are a few things I need to know first. Can someone help me out? [10:13] ask! [10:13] What I need to know is how the installer is (easy or hard, graphical or command line) [10:13] Is it using Xorg or XFree86? [10:13] LILO or Grub [10:13] what u want easy or hard [10:14] easy [10:14] text installer, very simple, uses xorg [10:14] Great [10:14] lilo or grub unless you are on ppc [10:14] then its yaboot [10:14] I'll use Grub [10:14] what kernel series? [10:14] latest 2.6 [10:14] Great [10:14] the installer is the best i've ever seen [10:14] Oh, and one last thing [10:14] i know suse, mandrake, knoppix [10:15] I've tried both Slackware and Knoppix before, but so far only Fedora has worked [10:15] After installing them and rebooting, I get a strange error [10:15] kunbuntu was on in 15min. [10:15] no probs === dimmak [~dimmak@lsanca1-ar55-4-65-118-030.lsanca1.dsl-verizon.net] has joined #kubuntu [10:15] The error was: [10:15] 15? [10:15] yes [10:15] install in 15 mins ? [10:15] You have passed an undefined video mode number [10:15] why not? [10:15] Something like that [10:16] and whatever I select, I can't get it to boot properly [10:16] i thought you meant boot in 15 mins, lol [10:16] when xf86/xorg is supposed to run, nothing happens, nor does running startx [10:16] hello? [10:16] can u start in the konsole [10:17] I don't know how to boot in runlevel 3 without setting it to do so before rebooting [10:17] perhaps sour graphiccard wasnt correctly detected [10:17] dablade. is this an install? [10:17] It was on Knoppix and Slackware3 [10:17] *slackware [10:18] I don't wanna delete FC3, all my files and settings, and find out this doesn't work either [10:18] DaBlade: save the important configs etc. with tar on an other partition [10:19] the test kunbuntu [10:19] to enter runleves you type init * [10:19] init number [10:19] ok [10:20] I'll save the files, although I'll use a long time finding which giles to save and which ones to lose in the partition (over 50 gigs of files lol) [10:20] A lot of DVDrs... lol [10:21] im not exactly sure what your problems ar dablade. [10:21] Well I just don't want that error... === _gogo [~gogo@pD9E07A13.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu [10:23] to fix video errors on ubuntu you use dpkg-reconfigure [10:23] um...ok.. lol [10:23] if i understand DaBlade correct he has errors with FC3 [10:23] or not? [10:24] No [10:24] I've had errors with all distros I've tried but FC3 [10:24] Ahh jetzt ja... [10:25] You passed an undefined mode number. Press [Return] to see video modes available or press [spacebar] to continue. [10:25] ^That error haunts every distro I've tried but FC3 [10:25] DaBlade: how many free space do u have on your hd? [10:25] perhaps u can install kubuntu on an other partition [10:27] for testing u need only 2,2GB (my new installation) === TayloR [~taylor@host217-42-94-151.range217-42.btcentralplus.com] has joined #kubuntu === TayloR is now known as TayloR-Away [10:30] I got around 30 gigs free [10:30] But I'm intending to install it system wide [10:31] thats good! [10:31] for testing i prefer an own partition [10:32] It isn't for testing. I've grown sick of Fedora [10:32] if all is running than u can backup your system, repartition your hd an restore all === buz [~buz@217-162-134-214.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #kubuntu [10:33] It's gotten slow, and I'm having a hard time fixing package conflicts without sacrificing good apps (like having to remove amaroK because libtag doesn't work) [10:34] Anyway, I'm off [10:34] k. [10:34] thanks for your help people === _P_ [~princoscr@host-84-220-129-165.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has joined #kubuntu [10:34] have fun [10:34] no worries [10:34] good luck [10:34] thanks [10:34] adios === carambol [~karambol_@h90238.upc-h.chello.nl] has joined #kubuntu [10:44] anyone know how i can enable 5.1 sound? [10:45] NVidia nForce2:Realtek ALC650 rev 3 - Asus A7N8X-E Deluxe onboard sound === _michal [~michal@dk83.miramo.cz] has joined #kubuntu === allee [~ach@dialin-212-144-129-014.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu [10:51] how can i config my monitor-refreshrate in kubuntu? [10:51] After install i've 60Hz, but my moni can 100Hz [10:51] have you looked in the controll center? === htaccess [~htaccess@222-152-115-113.adsl.ihug.co.nz] has joined #kubuntu [10:52] hi trying to get mp3 playback working in xmms as per: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats plays oggs not mp3, doesnt say i need to install a codec package, is this true how do i get it working? [10:52] yes, but didnt find anything (perhaps i'm blind ;-)) [10:53] wuschel. you might not have found anything [10:53] it depends on your X setups [10:53] htaccess. have you checked your apt repositry. i think its in there [10:54] wuschel. you used linux mych? [10:56] Kamping_Kaiser, i have xmms installed and the instructions dont mention any other codecs etc, but mp3 playback dont work but ogg does, so im wondering how to get it going [10:57] Kamping_Kaiser: more linux than windows [10:58] htaccess. theres a script on i think ubuntu forums. just a tic. ill just talk with wuschel [10:59] wuschel. i dont know if you have used this app before, but in a terminal type [10:59] sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg === incubii [~incubii@cor9-ppp88.hay.dialup.connect.net.au] has joined #kubuntu [11:01] Win2kpro is on the go [11:02] lol. is that 12 hours? [11:02] WinXP hung on installing devices [11:02] win2kpro seems to be doing much better [11:02] win98 refuses to detect the cdrom in the installer [11:02] of course this is probably all because im on ppc [11:02] :D [11:02] lol [11:02] :) realy screwing the system [11:03] and i dont have to be worried about system going slow because qemu doesnt support multi processors [11:03] so i have 1 cpu emulating and 1 for everything else [11:04] once windows is installed i plan on running linux inside windows inside linux [11:04] that will take most of next week to install [11:04] :D [11:05] Kamping_Kaiser: thx, i'll test it [11:06] (the debian-commands ar new 4 me, coming from gentoo) [11:06] damn i dont manage to find a good html page with the design of about:konqueror [11:07] oo sense you make good [11:12] cool [11:13] i am getting errors on kdelibs-data upgrade: E: /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4-0x1.6c7820000005ap-1363.4.0-0ubuntu3.1_all.deb: trying to overwrite `/usr/share/icons/default.kde', which is also in package knetworkconf [11:13] yes [11:13] 4 ppl today have had that problem [11:13] not me :D [11:13] ;) [11:13] then again im not at work to update breezy again [11:14] you running kubuntu or ubuntu? [11:14] at work? kubuntu [11:14] i just did a dist upgrade to ubuntu breezy, but i have kde for helping ppl [11:14] well i did an apt-get install kubuntu-desktop from ubuntu, im running kde, trying to run gnome just hangs [11:15] erk === xxenon [xxenon@81.13.238.141] has joined #kubuntu [11:17] im lookin forward to breezy [11:17] is KDE4 planned for it ? [11:18] anyone know how to get 5.1 surround sound working? :\ [11:18] i expect so, but i dont know [11:18] no wilf, sorry [11:18] nope [11:18] i use the G4's pc speaker === Wilf groans [11:18] :D [11:18] lol [11:18] sinner incubii ;) [11:19] you should hear the sound that comes out of that speaker [11:19] its pretty damn good [11:19] sure id take a proper set of speakers any day of the week but thats just more money and space gone [11:20] yp. im inclined to agree === gahan [gahan@coyote.fsh.hu] has left #kubuntu [] === Kyaneos [~kyaneos@80.26.153.51] has joined #kubuntu [11:25] hi [11:26] lol it took 20 mins to install the start menu items === spiral [~spiral@84.5.146.165] has joined #kubuntu [11:35] i dunno if anyone who cares is in here but the special keys on a mac keyboard stop working one you switch from a uni processor kernel to an smp processor kernel on a G4 === rejser [~rejser@customer-fw30.varberg.net] has joined #kubuntu [11:37] Hi, someone a little more experienced than me that would lito help me with a "kernel-change" problem [11:37] hi [11:37] lol [11:37] did linux poop its diaper? [11:38] whats up rejser? [11:39] Kamping_Kaiser: after i apt-get linux-k7 and reboot I get kernel panic - not syncing.... [11:39] did you install the image and header files? [11:39] and whats your cpu? [11:40] you sure you are on a K7 processor [11:40] Kamping_Kaiser: athlon xp, also tried the 686 files, yep, the headers to [11:40] dont uses 686, they wont work [11:40] used to slackware where I just get my source and install === faked_ [~faked@83-65-237-177.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #kubuntu [11:41] Only run ubuntu for a couple of days [11:41] are XPs k8 or k7? [11:42] 8 [11:42] k7 is the onler thunderbird i beleive [11:42] b4 the xp came out [11:42] mmm. but its the only amd kernel? [11:42] cause i use to have a k6 [11:42] vanilla kernel should work [11:43] k7 shoudl work on an XP though [11:43] so should i386 [11:43] the 386 kernel will work. and the k7 kernel SHOULD work. without problems. [11:43] hm. [11:44] the i386 work, but i have 1.5 GB of ram so miss some [11:44] id say the k7 will be the same also [11:44] unless it has bigmem enabled === dimma1 [~dimmak@lsanca1-ar55-4-65-118-030.lsanca1.dsl-verizon.net] has joined #kubuntu [11:45] so what did it do when it panicked? [11:45] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=28038&page=2&pp=10 <-- Have posted there, but no answers [11:46] hmm qemu is runnin on cpu2 now [11:46] you know it would be nice if top could indicate which cpu a process was runnin on === dimmak [user@lsanca1-ar55-4-65-118-030.lsanca1.dsl-verizon.net] has joined #kubuntu [11:46] that would be awesome [11:46] It complains about missing configuration during the install [11:47] incubii: running multicpu or hyperthreading? [11:47] Dual 1.42ghz PPC [11:47] :) [11:48] :) [11:48] bastard [11:48] its very nice [11:48] ive neve rhad an x86 system that worked as nice as this [11:49] i can imagine. the dual bit would own [11:50] yep [11:50] cept when i run kaffeine === infornography [~none@211.27.201.49] has joined #kubuntu [11:50] that always brings the system to its knees [11:50] buggy pos [11:51] I'm missing the initrd file, so I tried to make one by mkinitrd -o /boot/initrd-2.5.10-5-k7 /lib/modules/ [11:51] the img file [11:51] see what happens when you install ALL hte K7 stuff [11:52] already tried, all the same [11:52] perhaps not hte smp stuff of course... [11:52] hm. [11:52] not the smp of course [11:52] do you not have the image, or is it not linked to? [11:53] don't think I have, not really sure where it installs on ubuntu, don't think I have [11:53] But if I tried to create I get [11:53] /usr/sbin/mkinitrd: 254:0: Cannot find LVM device [11:53] try whereis yourkernelname [11:54] get nothing [11:55] whereis linux-smp: your kernel is takign a coffee break would you like to reboot, or crash and hang? [11:55] im off to make a semitute on "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" so i wont be here so much ;) [11:55] :) [11:56] this is the longest install of windows ive ever had === Shaquile [~Shaquile@h243n2fls34o888.telia.com] has left #kubuntu [] === ztonzy [~ztonzy@ztonzy.artist.blender] has joined #kubuntu [11:57] could it have anything with "Cannot find LVM device"? [11:58] sounds like it cant find the hdd [11:59] Maybe therefor kernel panic issue, unable to mount root fs on unknown-block (0,0) [12:00] Anybody had trouble with sound after installing GAIM? [12:00] no [12:00] Sound works fine for everything else, just not that [12:01] lvmdiscscan says that I have 0 disks, but 6 partitions, is that normal? [12:01] If I set the sound method to "Arts" then I do get sounds, but after a delay of several seconds [12:02] 6 partitions? is ubuntu the only one installed === ztonzy [~ztonzy@ztonzy.artist.blender] has joined #kubuntu [12:03] if it cant find root you can tell it where it is by passing 'kernelname root=/dev/hda1' for example at the boot prompt [12:04] the menu.lst is including that [12:05] running 386 kernel works [12:05] just when I trie to install any other [12:05] only ubuntu as os [12:07] hmm i dunno then ive exhausted what little knowledge i have in that area [12:07] isn't supoes to just apt-get install linux-k7 if you wan't to install? [12:07] suppose [12:07] yes [12:07] it should just work [12:08] searched entire ubuntufrums.org for someone with the same error, maybe it is my hardware [12:09] if it doesnt maybe its a bug then i dunno, all i can suggest is reinstalling the box, install the kernel again and see if u get the same error [12:10] reinstalled 3 times already [12:10] did you apt-get update before you tried installing the kernel ? [12:10] thought of exchaning the kernel files in the installer so it installs with k7 kernel [12:10] yepp, apt-get updated === _jrk_ [~jrk@24-148-87-160.hnc-bsr1.chi-hnc.il.cable.rcn.com] has joined #kubuntu === enver555 [~enver555@90.red-62-101-186.user.auna.net] has joined #kubuntu [12:12] hi [12:12] maybe it is a lvm-config issue === Nakkel [~nakkel@vektori.com] has joined #kubuntu [12:15] incubii: what do your output get if you run lvmdiskscan? === infornography [~none@211.27.201.49] has left #kubuntu ["all"] [12:16] 0 disks, 6 partitions, 0 LVM physical volume whole disks, 0 LVM physical volumes <-- doesn't feel right === k5 [~k5@202.150.66.1] has joined #kubuntu [12:18] sorry for spam [12:18] File descriptor 7 left open [12:18] File descriptor 8 left open [12:18] File descriptor 9 left open [12:18] File descriptor 10 left open [12:18] File descriptor 14 left open [12:18] /etc/lvm/.cache: open failed: Permission denied [12:18] /dev/hda: open failed: Permission denied [12:18] /dev/hda1: open failed: Permission denied [12:18] /dev/hda2: open failed: Permission denied [12:18] /dev/hda3: open failed: Permission denied [12:18] /dev/hda4: open failed: Permission denied [12:18] /etc/lvm/.cache: fopen failed: Permission denied [12:18] 0 disks [12:18] 0 partitions [12:18] 0 LVM physical volume whole disks [12:18] 0 LVM physical volumes [12:19] hmmm... [12:19] does it change if you run it as root? [12:20] /dev/hda [ 111.79 GB] [12:20] /dev/hda2 [ 977.00 KB] [12:20] /dev/hda3 [ 110.35 GB] [12:20] /dev/hda4 [ 1.44 GB] [12:20] 1 disk [12:20] 3 partitions [12:20] 0 LVM physical volume whole disks [12:20] 0 LVM physical volumes [12:20] yeah i forgot to do that [12:20] lol [12:20] :) [12:20] the first to parts are apple specific stuff [12:20] the other two are root and swap [12:20] file descriptor? [12:21] but you get 1 disk recogniced [12:21] I get none [12:21] there should b 4 partitions [12:21] lol [12:21] hmm [12:22] omg win2kpro finished installing [12:24] What do you need win for? [12:24] cause i can on ppc === da_bon_bon [~rohandhru@203.212.221.132] has joined #kubuntu === incubii likes the cause i can factor of stuff [12:25] :) [12:25] just like i use Dr Dos 7.03 for my media b0x [12:25] to play audio and divx/dvds [12:25] :D [12:27] :) === giorgos [~giorgos@dialup31.samos.aegean.gr] has joined #kubuntu [12:27] the only problem is QEMU ppc doesnt come with kqemu [12:27] so i have no accelerator [12:29] that kind of sucks === Cturtle [~Cturtle__@a213-84-50-38.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #kubuntu === infornography [~none@211.27.201.49] has joined #kubuntu [12:34] oh my that was a waste [12:34] it wont boot up after i killed qemu and started again [12:34] LOL [12:35] Can anybody tell me where the kopete history gets stored? [12:37] probably ~/.kopete [12:38] I thought so to, but I run kopete and have no .kopete [12:41] got me stumped then [12:41] not in .kde/applications either === ebirn [~ebirn@83-65-124-150.dynamic.adsl-line.inode.at] has joined #kubuntu [12:42] Yeah, I've looked everywhere I could think of. ~.kopete was my first guess too [12:45] think that maybe it is lvm that creates my problems [12:45] how do one add a drive to lvm? === da_bon_bon [~rohandhru@203.212.221.132] has joined #kubuntu [12:47] if i knew i would tell ya === hal9k1x [~hal9k1x@D9343.d.pppool.de] has joined #kubuntu [12:52] lvm.conf doesn't make me any happier... [12:53] slackware is easier === da_bon_bon [~rohandhru@203.212.221.132] has joined #kubuntu === dvoid [~dvoid@c-215fe155.2010-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #kubuntu === martin [~martin@pc-62-30-33-77-pr.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #kubuntu === hal9k1x [~hal9k1x@D9343.d.pppool.de] has joined #kubuntu === ztonzy [~ztonzy@ztonzy.artist.blender] has left #kubuntu ["Lmnar"] === vondie [~vondie@p5482DAF9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu === vondie [~vondie@p5482DAF9.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #kubuntu ["Verlassend"] === bleertep [~bleertep1@port-212-202-198-196.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #kubuntu === rejser [~rejser@customer-fw30.varberg.net] has joined #kubuntu === [square] [~chatzilla@d81-211-255-41.cust.tele2.it] has joined #kubuntu === sergio [~sergio@230.Red-217-125-223.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu [01:38] hi [01:38] hi mate [01:39] at now i have problems because my wifi ccard detects my wlan....but my router doesn't give to me an ip adress...... [01:39] and the router is configured in DHCP [01:39] so your systems not set to get a dynamic ip? [01:40] try running dhclient, if you get an ip from that then its your config [01:40] if i conect with ethernet card i obtain ip but with wireless card i don't get ip [01:41] ah [01:41] i dont have wireless, but it should be just like a static network to configure it thought === umarmung [~holger@p3E9E23F1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu [01:43] "sergio at now i have problems because my wifi ccard detects my wlan....but my router doesn't give to me an ip adress......" , lol i read that as your wife doesnt detect your van === incubii needs sleep [01:44] :( [01:44] lol [01:44] jeje [01:47] Kamping_Kaiser: you know anything about lvm? [01:48] not a lot. [01:48] what do you want to know particularly? [01:48] bummer [01:49] when I trie to install kernel I get error that there is no LVM device, I can add partitions to lvm, but not device, pvcreate don't work on /dev/hda (for example) [01:49] how do I add an entire drive, not just partitions === whiteknight [~james@jac208.caths.cam.ac.uk] has joined #kubuntu [01:50] sorry dont know. i have never tried to use it, so yep. [01:51] might I ask what your output on lvmdiskscan is (run as root) === sergio [~sergio@230.Red-217-125-223.pooles.rima-tde.net] has left #kubuntu ["Konversation] [01:52] ill pm it to you, or ill get kicked for flooding ;) [01:52] thats ok === AceMan [~me@81-178-230-136.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #kubuntu [01:54] hey, is there a hotkey for switcing between tabs in KDE windows? ie. in Konqueror and Kopete chatwindows? === incubii [~incubii@cor9-ppp88.hay.dialup.connect.net.au] has joined #kubuntu [01:57] if you hover a mouse over the tabs, the scroll wheel works, i dont know about a key combo === xiaogil [~xiaogil@lab75-3-82-235-26-179.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu [02:03] hotplug doesn't work at the boot, it stops the boot process, i have to type Ctrl+C to keep on booting, and then the internet doesn't work, what should i do to solve this problem ? === hunger [~hunger@p54A65157.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu [02:04] xiaogil. do you use a dial up modem, or hte network card or usb for your internet === incubii uses the 1337 28.8kb dialup [02:06] Kamping_Kaiser: I use the ethernet port [02:06] incubii is joking? [02:06] Kamping_Kaiser: actually, not only the internet doesn't work but some other things too, like the sound [02:07] i think you have 3 seperate problems btw. [02:07] do you use dhcp to get your network ip? [02:07] or is it static === rejser uses 24Mb === Kamping_Kaiser shoots rejser [02:08] :D [02:08] :| === da_bon_bon [~rohandhru@203.212.221.132] has joined #kubuntu [02:08] :0> [02:09] incubii is not joking === _seth [~seth@cpe-24-210-229-250.woh.res.rr.com] has joined #kubuntu [02:14] ARG! The breezy kubuntu-desktop depends on gtk! [02:14] ... [02:16] msttcorefonts (which kubuntu-desktop suggests is not even available. === _seth is now known as seth_ [02:18] msttcorefonts is in "multiverse" I guess [02:19] ARG! The breezy kubuntu-desktop depends on gtk! << which package does this? kicker-applets? [02:20] KaiL: Dunno. Just switched to breezy and that wants to install gtk. [02:20] xmms too? [02:20] KaiL: Nope. [02:21] that's somethjng new then ;) [02:21] KaiL: I guess due to OOo2... but I am not sure. === hunger wonders what kubuntu-desktop needs libselinux for.... === wirwzd [~wirwzd@c-24-218-115-209.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu [02:23] because at the next version it will have full support for targeted policies selinux.. the rest just did't make it into hoary [02:24] Anlar: Well, seems only prelink depends on libselinux. [02:24] the rest just did not make it in time, thought they were almost ready [02:24] Yeap, it is OOo2 that drags in gtk. === ubuntu [~ubuntu@ip68-10-139-214.hr.hr.cox.net] has joined #kubuntu === ubuntu [~ubuntu@ip68-10-139-214.hr.hr.cox.net] has left #kubuntu ["Konversation] === markc [~markc@220.245.107.188] has joined #kubuntu [02:37] And python-gst depends on gtk as well:-( === pdk [~paul@h87.16.40.69.ip.alltel.net] has joined #kubuntu === incubii [~incubii@cor9-ppp88.hay.dialup.connect.net.au] has joined #kubuntu === osx [~osx@c-e7c972d5.02-98-73746f36.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #kubuntu [02:47] Hello! the letters is not recognised correctly for my vfat partition. How do I fix that? [02:48] hm [02:48] dunno :) [02:48] I tried to edit the fstab for charset latin1 [02:48] ok :( [02:48] did like this: [02:48] [02:48] why do you have win on the box? :P [02:48] [02:48] [02:48] [02:48] [02:48] [02:48] [02:49] 
[02:49]  /dev/hdb5 /media/hdb5 vfat iocharset=iso8859-1,codepage=850 0 0 users,exec,umask=000 0 0
[02:49] [02:49] ops [02:49] my girlfriend would kill my if it was not there [02:49] *hehe* [02:50] osx: try pastebin.com next time [02:50] shogouki: I'll do that *thx* === _eric [~eric@ip24-255-66-27.lu.dl.cox.net] has joined #kubuntu [02:53] I have checked my fstab against mepis (where the isocharset work)...But the problem remain === _eric [~eric@ip24-255-66-27.lu.dl.cox.net] has joined #kubuntu === jsubl2 [~jsubl2@209.144.23.220] has joined #kubuntu [02:59] I will change iocharset from iso8859-1 (i.e. latin-1) to utf8 (like unicode can repressent all characters) === whiskers [~whiskers@adsl-68-90-233-136.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined #kubuntu [03:00] brb... [03:00] I am curious what graphical editor does people generally use for HTML? [03:01] none [03:01] quanta [03:01] there's no really useable graphical csss designer i know of [03:01] kedit before, now gedit [03:02] what about bluefish? I was thinking of installing that [03:02] nvu is goodish [03:02] the latest is good anyway === darkaudi1 is now known as darkaudit === membreya [~membreya@c211-28-78-53.sunsh3.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #kubuntu === ojw [~ojw@213.78.74.164] has joined #kubuntu === theD3viL [~geek@BSN-77-90-27.dsl.siol.net] has joined #kubuntu [03:06] Why not use Dreamweaver? [03:08] it doesn't work natively with linux and is pretty expensive [03:09] It works really smooth with wine, and there is no so good wysiwyg for linux, (maybe nvu), unfortunally it is expensive === theD3viL [~geek@BSN-77-90-27.dsl.siol.net] has joined #kubuntu === segfault [~segfault@pc-16-79-104-200.cm.vtr.net] has joined #kubuntu [03:11] nvu seems to be the main project with dreamweaver-like aspirations (and they start with the best HTML editor I've seen) [03:11] is there somewhere we can download a dvd of hoary ? === segfault is now known as segfault2k [03:12] spiral: ubuntu or kubuntu? [03:13] my isp had kubuntu dvds. dont know about ubuntu [03:13] membreya: kubuntu === Cturtle [~Cturtle__@a213-84-50-38.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #kubuntu [03:13] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/dvd/current/ === Kamping_Kaiser checks [03:13] membreya: is it a final version ? [03:14] yup [03:14] 5.04 [03:14] membreya: not still a testing one ? [03:14] april the 7th... was it already out ? [03:14] yes [03:14] membreya: all right, thanks :-) [03:14] np [03:16] is it normal that i need to install sshd myself??? [03:16] or did it get lost somewhere [03:16] yes you do [03:16] apt-get install ssh [03:17] mhh [03:17] weird [03:17] i thought every self respecting OS would supply sshd out of box [03:17] not realy [03:17] by default only the client is installed. [03:17] its a client box, not a se4rver [03:17] then how am i supposed to share files if i can't use scp? hihi [03:17] nfs? not? [03:18] its much faster to load up scp on a mac than fiddle with nfs [03:18] buz: sudo apt-get install openssh-server [03:18] membreya: i figured that myself [03:18] use samba to share files [03:18] i hate samba [03:18] beside there's got to be a better way to share stuff between unix boxes than SMB ;) [03:18] samba rocks my world [03:18] why? [03:19] what's wrong with samba? [03:19] :( [03:19] cause smb is fucking hack [03:19] bleh [03:19] yeh... [03:19] smb is the standard :) [03:19] and preferred file sharer [03:19] you havent used smb with xp have you? [03:19] i tried [03:19] two identical boxes [03:19] one would work, the other dl with only 300b/s [03:19] interesting idea of "standard", membreya ;-) [03:19] :P [03:19] shhh [03:19] i think it's called de facto standard ;) [03:19] trying to prove a point ojw :P [03:20] heh. the standards ok. MS just need to use it [03:20] it's easy to share with a windows box [03:20] easiest way though is to chmod 777 the dir :P [03:20] and set security to share [03:20] rather than user === ojw meant that if it was a standard, it (a) would work, (b) wouldn't change, and (c) would have lots of clients and server software like (e.g.) FTP does [03:21] it is a standard, but MS break it on purpose [03:21] and it would be OPENLY documented [03:22] its not even their standard === stelt [~stelt@dabrick1.kabel.utwente.nl] has joined #kubuntu === theD3viL [~geek@BSN-77-90-27.dsl.siol.net] has joined #kubuntu === _pc [~pc@lns-vlq-13-nan-62-147-193-138.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu === hhup [~hhup@i-83-67-16-178.freedom2surf.net] has joined #kubuntu === segfault [~segfault@pc-16-79-104-200.cm.vtr.net] has joined #kubuntu [03:34] Intel's mostly. === segfault is now known as segfault2k [03:35] so what's the best CPU to buy at the moment for desktops? === Kamping_Kaiser starts fighting off fanboys [03:36] amd :D [03:36] amd athlon 64 socket 939 winchester [03:37] now as for boards, i'm still looking for the best ones ;) [03:37] im an intel fan. hence i shut up, because i cant think independantly === ojw had kind'a ended up with the amd64 idea also... [03:38] i can see pentium m in notebooks [03:38] Kamping_Kaiser: damn slave to the MHz train of thought :P [03:38] i can't ever understand why someone would buy P4 tho [03:38] pity a new faster processor is needed, just to run KDE though... [03:38] buz: not even a P4E? :) [03:38] no [03:39] i dont want a hot plate in my machine [03:39] i am intel fan too, but dont have $ to buy it =/ [03:39] ojw: my amd64 3200 is too slow IMHO ..but then again, I'm never happy [03:39] too slow? [03:39] too slow for what?? [03:39] i'm currently on a lowly 2000 athlon [03:39] 700MHz on KDE3.4, to rip cds, do updates, and browse web [03:40] ubuntu takes about 1 minute to load..too slow :| === papa [~papa@mna75-3-82-66-228-70.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu [03:40] lol [03:40] buz. because it kicked the shit out of amd hadns down at the time [03:40] how often do you switch on your machine?? [03:40] what? [03:40] thats why i got my p4 [03:40] i can't really remember intel ever kicking the shit out of amd since the athlon was released [03:40] buz: my pc is on 24/7 [03:40] so where's the problem [03:41] buz: original athlon was not that great [03:41] cheap and nasty [03:41] it gave the p3 a run for its money === Kamping_Kaiser refers to first statement. im taking cover [03:41] i've been buying strictly amd since the k5 days [03:41] never had a problem [03:42] only intel cpu i bought was in a cheap notebook some time [03:42] ah and back in the days, an 486/66 === ojw has 137-second bootup time for kubuntu, compared to 75 seconds for windows98, and 113 seconds for mandrake 10.1 [03:42] last intel I had (aside from my p4 1.7 which I gave away) was an 486 DX2/66 [03:42] hehe [03:42] me too [03:42] ojw: look at all your services :P [03:43] mind you my system loads samba, nfs, mysql, apache2, squid [03:43] lol [03:44] my parents were more than happy to receive my p4 1.7 [03:44] but I thought it was a POS [03:44] the p4 is a deeply fucked up design [03:44] just short sighted [03:44] the world could have saved a few nuclear plants if intel did do a saner design [03:44] :) dual cores:):):):) [03:45] quad cores? :D [03:45] yeah [03:45] opteron dual core [03:45] or better even, quad power 5 [03:45] intel duals. [03:45] ;) [03:45] :) [03:45] mm [03:45] only thing I think intel does well is xeons..and who can afford them [03:46] nah === ojw uses xeons everywhere at work [03:46] opterons are much better cpus [03:46] ojw: do you own one? :P === gahan [gahan@coyote.fsh.hu] has joined #kubuntu [03:46] how do ienable trash on desktop [03:46] we just buy "standard dell dual-processor" everything at work, 16-machines-at-a-time sort of thing for clusters, seems to all be xeon [03:47] heh [03:47] I have pentium at home, but it's very old [03:47] well with dell it would be xeons [03:47] always. [03:47] bit silly realy [03:47] the best would be itanium but some dorks diss it for no reason [03:47] itanium? now that is really weird cpu [03:48] no wonder nobody wants it [03:48] lol [03:48] its cool [03:48] if you want a server cpu, get a power5 [03:48] it's one of the very few actually new designs instead of just tweaking the old. it has some serious juice and that arch will go still far [03:48] no [03:48] it will be cancelled before long [03:48] nobody buys it [03:48] intel should face reality already [03:48] yes, because some dorks diss it for no real reason [03:49] no real reason? [03:49] anlar. it could have gone far. but dual cores etc will kill it [03:49] it's fucking expensive and nobody really understands how to code for it [03:49] architecturically it's Sweet. and it packs serious power. [03:49] no real reason yeh thats true [03:49] kamping_kaiser: so? they can build dual-core itaniums as well.. [03:49] and its 64 bit. [03:49] so what [03:49] so architecturically it's Sweet. and it packs serious power. [03:49] powerpc has been 64bit for half a decade now [03:49] something being dual-core is just hype.. it's just two cpu's glued together (+ "some" stuff.) [03:50] yeh. sun had 128 bit workstations in 1990 [03:50] wtf [03:50] sun still sells 64bit cpus [03:50] 128bit doesn't really make sense in a cpu so much === motaboy [~motaboy@host21-3.pool80183.interbusiness.it] has joined #kubuntu [03:50] hate them for it ;) [03:50] i'd rather get an ultrasparc than itanic even [03:50] itanium has got the registers. that's sweet. you can for instance make mp3 encoder (or any other math) on cpu only, without the need of gazillion memory accesses.. optimizing something for itanium makes it kick ass seriously. === MindZEye [~mindzeye@seanparsons.plus.com] has joined #kubuntu [03:50] now the alpha, THAT was a sweet architecture [03:51] wtf got time to optimize stuff [03:51] all you need is data in, data out. no stacks or any crap. [03:51] compilers do. [03:51] yeah [03:51] lol [03:51] like anyone actually had a good itanic compiler [03:51] and intel provide one [03:51] Intel does. [03:51] if it was any good, people might buy itanic [03:52] just as when you use ICC to compile linux kernel you get ~30% speed increase in overall to your system. [03:52] it is good. it's superb. [03:52] Hi all! [03:52] hi mota. [03:52] so the market shuns it for no rational reason? [03:52] its uncool [03:52] buz: actually, yes. [03:52] price / performance sucks [03:52] buz: lots of fud perhaps flying.. and some people don't want to change their software for any price. but the cpu is sweet. [03:53] buz: actually not. you can't compare them with almost anything since they are in a way different class. [03:53] perhaps with power5 but not with the rest. [03:53] tehy are non x86 so they are hard to compare [03:53] and power5 isn't exactly cheap either. [03:54] power5 aint that expensive [03:54] cheapest power5 box is 5000$ === Kamping_Kaiser s jaw drops [03:55] and the beauty of power: you can run the same BINARY on a lowly cpu like its found in a home routers just as well as on the biggest baddest quad core cpu with 128mb cache [03:55] yes, power is quite nice indeed. === spiral_ [~spiral@84.5.146.165] has joined #kubuntu [03:57] 128mb cache :| === membreya drools === spiral_ is now known as spiral [03:57] mmm. wtf... [03:57] opterons give great value as well.. if I was into for instance server farms of any sort, I'd do cray xd-1 for sure. [03:58] does anyone know why I can get nifty .ogg sound previews just by mouse-over on desktop icons, but [03:58] in konqueror folders, I can't? [03:58] konquerors a pig imho [03:58] changing settings in the previews and metadata prefs don't have any effect... [03:59] smouche: did ya change your max file size on previews? [03:59] ah -- let me check, membreya [04:00] Kamping_Kaiser: what would you recommend above konq? :P [04:00] nautilus ;) [04:00] DIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE [04:00] nautilus blows chunks [04:00] stop trolling :P [04:01] lol [04:01] hmmm, membreya -- bumping up max file size isn't doing it -- [04:01] i did say imho :P [04:02] but I think you may have put me on the right track [04:02] i'd say opterons probably give the most bang for the buck [04:02] don't understand why it works on desktop though, membreya... [04:02] smouche: I wouldn't know, I don't see the logic in "previewing" a sound file [04:02] especially now that you can drop dual core into your machine [04:02] logic? [04:03] yes logic dear watson [04:03] useful for me at work, but explaining why would take a while... [04:03] ok :D [04:04] smouche: just WHY are you listening to sound files at work ..do some ..strange concept I know..work [04:04] :P [04:04] it's also useful if you have many sound projects, with similar titles, and you just want to hear the first few seconds [04:04] buz: ..it's been too long, how do I tell the make of AMD64 I'm running? [04:05] so you can tell 'em apart. [04:05] oh ok :) [04:05] no idea [04:05] dmesg would probably now a thing or two? [04:05] CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3200+ stepping 00 thats the best info it gives, doesn't give the family name [04:06] membreya, I just want to scare people out of their socks with sudden random sound effects -- [04:06] lol [04:06] what socket is it [04:06] without forcing an error in an application first... [04:06] 745 [04:07] then its probably 130mm newcastle [04:07] erm 754 :P [04:07] i dont think winchestere is available for 754 [04:07] winchester is a sweet cpu [04:07] AFAIK it's 939 only [04:07] 3000+ takes just 29W under load [04:07] stupid roadmap [04:07] membreya: what's the problem with previewing soundfiles at work? [04:07] nobody told me 939 was the roadmap [04:07] yeah [04:08] otoh, mobos aint that expensive [04:09] i would rather upgrade my 512mb ram/120gb SATA or geforce4 4000 first :P === Thorrn4 [~roger@pool-151-198-157-141.nwrk.east.verizon.net] has joined #kubuntu [04:10] i first need a good mainboard [04:10] i'd upgrade the ram [04:10] or if you need space, the sata [04:10] hello!!! Im very new to Linux; I was wondering are there any benefits of Using Kubuntu of ubuntu; and what version of KDE does Kubuntu use? [04:10] KDE 3.4 [04:10] Thorrn4: 3.4 [04:10] kubuntu uses KDE3.4 [04:10] ubuntu uses GNOME 2.10 [04:10] buz: SATA has about 60gb free, so I'm cool... [04:11] on both you can install the other desktop, as it's the same base system [04:12] so, kubuntu would be a beginner's linux, easy 2 use and install? [04:12] but kubuntu is better, because you have KDE from the beginning [04:12] :P === oje_ [~ojw@213.78.88.159] has joined #kubuntu [04:13] membreya, what sort of cpu is yours amd or intel? [04:13] I heard that u would install KDE of ubuntu and vice versa [04:13] gnome bites IMHO [04:13] Kamping_Kaiser: amd64 3200 [04:13] ok. [04:14] why? :| [04:14] i saw your question in Ubuntu, just wonderd. if it was a pentium, you would have a northwood, but i dont know amds system :( [04:15] i'd say its a clawhammer === infornography [~none@211.27.204.151] has joined #kubuntu [04:15] but i'm not entirely sure === ebirn [~ebirn@83-65-124-150.dynamic.adsl-line.inode.at] has left #kubuntu [] === segfault [~segfault@pc-16-79-104-200.cm.vtr.net] has joined #kubuntu [04:18] membreya: Socket 754 or 939? [04:18] 754 [04:19] so no winchester [04:19] cpu family : 15 [04:19] model : 12 [04:19] Newcastle or Clawhammer [04:20] grrr why can't i just find the name of it in proc [04:20] what's the real CPU clock? [04:20] 2.2 [04:20] so Newcastle [04:21] the other one is 2.0 [04:21] ok, still wish there was an easier way to find that info :) [04:21] at least they now give a usefull "model name" [04:22] that's also not that old... [04:22] KaiL: where? :P [04:22] /proc/cpuinfo [04:22] oh that..yeah that doesnt help to find the family name :P [04:23] aaah ...looking at this CPU and going back to when I ran a celeron at work with 64k cache :P [04:23] :} [04:23] btw. cache size is also there - should be 1MiB [04:24] thanks for your help guys === Thorrn4 [~roger@pool-151-198-157-141.nwrk.east.verizon.net] has left #kubuntu ["Leaving"] === billytwowilly [~chris@S01060040f4acc23c.ed.shawcable.net] has joined #kubuntu [04:25] 512KB === ubuntu [~ubuntu@ip68-10-139-214.hr.hr.cox.net] has joined #kubuntu === ubuntu [~ubuntu@ip68-10-139-214.hr.hr.cox.net] has left #kubuntu ["Konversation] [04:28] i dont understand how watching TV on my tv tuner card can take my CPU to it's highest stepping :| [04:28] i would have thought that tuner card would do the work [04:28] uhm, yes - 512... [04:28] it might be the deinterlacer [04:29] you're a clever dickie :P [04:29] memhbreya full is to high. but it does use a bit [04:30] fixed it, it now doesn't take my CPU up beyond 1ghz [04:30] changed the deinterlacer config === segfault is playing - KUDAI_Ya nada queda === da_bon_bon [~rohandhru@203.212.221.132] has joined #kubuntu === membreya slaps segfault === segfault bored [04:33] XD [04:33] sorry === membreya recommends that segfault joints #segfault-bored [04:33] and list ALL the songs you want :P === spiral [~spiral@84.5.146.165] has joined #kubuntu === segfault considerating [04:34] XD [04:34] ahAHAH === whiteknight [~james@jac208.caths.cam.ac.uk] has joined #kubuntu === BlackLabel [~rom@203-219-130-10-qld.tpgi.com.au] has joined #kubuntu [04:35] membreya, what tuner card do you use? === infornography [~none@211.27.204.151] has left #kubuntu ["meh"] [04:35] Pinnacle PCTV Studio/Rave === da_bon_bon [~rohandhru@203.212.221.132] has joined #kubuntu [04:36] I'm shopping for a replacement for my (now useless) ati all in wonder thing [04:36] thanks! [04:36] i have avermedia [04:36] anyone using hauppauge external usb, by any chance ? [04:36] sorry! googling! [04:36] lol === Dromedaris [~menke002@rpcm.xs4all.nl] has joined #kubuntu [04:38] lol [04:38] i love my pinnacle :) [04:39] internal or external? [04:39] internal === gdh [~gdh@80-192-144-33.cable.ubr06.wi.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #kubuntu [04:40] membreya what do you use for capture? [04:40] Kamping_Kaiser: I don't, I just use tvtime to watch TV :) [04:40] since it's not HDTV, no point capturing [04:40] lol ok. [04:40] but best is to use mythtv :) [04:41] k. i have it linked into a vcr and the antenna ;) [04:41] membreya, how can i see ifmy tuner card is supported in ubuntu? [04:41] lol === da_bon_bon [~rohandhru@203.212.221.132] has joined #kubuntu [04:41] capturing off digital cable with virtual dub worked well for me in windows, [04:42] but I'm a moron at reencoding stuff, so I stopped bothering... [04:42] heh [04:42] i had some goood aps. now i need replacements' [04:46] folks, here's a numbskull question probably: but is there any such thing as an rss feed or other syndication thing for irc conversations? [04:46] BlackLabel: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimedia [04:47] seems like it would be cool to browse irc transcripts in a newsreader... [04:48] smouche: just log it yourself :P [04:48] I log everything :) [04:49] well, yeah, me too membreya -- ;-) === smouche smouche just realizes some of those logs are getting absurdly large and need splitting up... === gdh [~gdh@80-192-144-33.cable.ubr06.wi.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #kubuntu === ojw [~ojw@213.78.90.124] has joined #kubuntu [04:53] smouche: define large === flames [~flames@caracas-1031.adsl.interware.hu] has joined #kubuntu [04:55] large. I need to learn a way to automatically split logs by date or something. probably a script for that I could learn or write if I weren't retarded. [04:55] smouche: isn't that what 'logrotate' is for? === lao_v [~vishal@82-44-149-42.cable.ubr01.haye.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #kubuntu [04:55] gdh, maybe it is - thank you... (googling logrotate) [04:55] smouche: bigger n 10mb? :P [04:56] smouche: man logrotate - it's a standard part of every debian-based install [04:56] smouche: ever thought of man logrotate? lol [04:56] check /etc/logrotate.d [04:56] heh, yeah, man logrotate -- doing that now [04:57] well, I need to learn how to do cron jobs in general, in fact. [04:58] thank you membreya, gdh, you saved me once again searching for something that's already in there... === segfault is away: a desayunar :D [ KonviCVS+Kubuntu ] - Loretito Te Amo === membreya goes after segfault with a bat [04:58] a really BIG bat! [04:58] its an away! [04:58] god dammit [04:58] i cant exclude channels [04:58] why is ubuntu so unstable [04:58] ;( [04:58] smouche: my log files are 20mb for #ubuntu, 7mb for #kubuntu... I'm not even thinking of rotating them yet :P [04:58] logrotate is a funny sounding word, isn't it? Sounds like something youd do to kill time in a Canadian river... [04:59] sdogi: Because you have shitty hardware. Move along, please. [04:59] sdogi: umstable? [04:59] gdh: grr [04:59] gdh: why do other distros work then brainchild? [04:59] lol gdh :P not nice, but funny :) [04:59] sdogi: what happenes? [04:59] sdogi: I use breezy (dev release) and it's stable as a rock :) [04:59] same here [04:59] jesus, breezy already? [05:00] :D [05:00] except ACPI, but that's something different [05:00] well actually it is just that the current emotion thing, anyway.. kubuntus konqueror is like a thing that crashes hourly [05:00] mostly when i change the directory view from icons to list mode [05:00] then everything appears double and it crashes [05:00] membreya: can i play a song? === segfault runs [05:00] XD [05:00] don't do that :p [05:00] sdogi: take away the left hand tree [05:00] membreya: how can i move to breezy? [05:00] but right now audacity crashed totally [05:00] sdogi, konqueror having issues doesn't mean ubuntu is unstable. [05:00] segfault: change your repo's from hoary to breezy === ubuntu [~ubuntu@ip68-10-139-214.hr.hr.cox.net] has joined #kubuntu [05:01] and then do sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade [05:01] how do u install an deb file? [05:01] bear in mind, it has SOME problems === flames [~flames@caracas-1031.adsl.interware.hu] has left #kubuntu ["Konversation] [05:01] ubuntu: sudo dpkg -i (deb file [05:01] membreya: like? [05:01] smouche: it does, at least this time, because i was using kde 3.4 with slackware [05:01] ) [05:01] membreya: i'll try [05:02] segfault: read above... [05:02] oh [05:02] problems [05:02] lol [05:02] sorry [05:02] :P [05:02] only problem I've had is torching my reiserfs partition (90gb) but rebuilding the tree fixed it and it was my own fault [05:02] forcing packages that had been kept back to install === martin [~martin@154.80-202-243.nextgentel.com] has joined #kubuntu [05:03] anything else is fine though, i have to do lot less then i did with slackware, and that is fine with me === sdogi is not masohist [05:03] membreya, I can't complete a dist-upgrade here, and I don't know what to fix: [05:03] I get this-- === martin [~martin@154.80-202-243.nextgentel.com] has left #kubuntu ["Konversation] [05:03] Unpacking replacement kdelibs-data ... [05:03] Replaced by files in installed package kplayer ... [05:03] dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4%3a3.4.0-0ubuntu3.1_all.deb (--unpack): === martin [~martin@154.80-202-243.nextgentel.com] has joined #kubuntu [05:04] trying to overwrite `/usr/share/icons/default.kde', which is also in package knetworkconf [05:04] what does 'apt-get -f install' suggest ? [05:04] Errors were encountered while processing: [05:04] /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4%3a3.4.0-0ubuntu3.1_all.deb [05:04] E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) [05:05] sudo dpkg --force-overwrite -i /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4%3a3.4.0-0ubuntu3.1_all.deb [05:05] easy :D [05:05] sorry to flood -- can anyone help me fix that? [05:05] smouche: [05:05] sudo dpkg --force-overwrite -i /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4%3a3.4.0-0ubuntu3.1_all.deb [05:05] damn you segfault .. i knew the problem, was just going over my logs to find it :P [05:05] thanks segfault === ManLord [~martin@154.80-202-243.nextgentel.com] has joined #kubuntu [05:05] lol membreya === segfault is back. [05:06] is there a way to keep Kaffeine always on top? [05:06] you need a bot to fetch stuff from your logs... [05:06] can't find it [05:06] smouche: that would require me to find company for my one brain cell === theD3viL [~geek@BSN-77-90-27.dsl.siol.net] has joined #kubuntu === segfault thinking to upgrade to breezy [05:07] i use ext3 === darkaudit [~bpack@pool-151-205-45-125.clrk.east.verizon.net] has joined #kubuntu [05:07] membreya, maybe you need to logrotate your brain cell. [05:07] it's just too big. [05:07] divide and multiply, I say. [05:07] lol, well I am 25 :P [05:07] ;-) [05:07] segfault: as I said, it was MY fault. [05:08] TO ALL: Is there a way to keep Kaffeine always on top? [05:08] ManLord: you could always configure window behaviour to always be on top of other apps :) [05:09] well, segfault, that seems to have worked, thanks ! [05:09] right click on the title bar > advanced > keep above others === Roey [~Roey@Roey.sustaining.supporter.pdpc] has joined #kubuntu === Roey [~Roey@Roey.sustaining.supporter.pdpc] has left #kubuntu ["Client] === theD3viL [~geek@BSN-77-90-27.dsl.siol.net] has joined #kubuntu [05:10] smouche: np [05:13] some apps, if they use more than one window, if I set one window to stay above others, [05:13] the other window insists on staying above also. Weird. [05:13] Des:6 http://cl.archive.ubuntu.com breezy/main Packages [494kB] [05:13] lallala [05:14] 21% [6 Packages 432435/2242kB 19%] 11,5kB/s 2m37s [05:14] slow! [05:15] check this [05:15] maotx writes "Several news outlets are reporting that Microsoft will officially roll out 64-bit versions of its Windows operating systems on Monday. As compared with existing 32-bit versions: 64-bit Windows will handle 16 terabytes of virtual memory, as compared to 4 GB for 32-bit Windows. System cache size jumps from 1 GB to 1 TB, and paging-file size increases from 16 TB to 512 TB." [05:15] segfault: I cry if it's below 500kB/s [05:15] we have had 64 bit linux for how long ;) [05:15] why would firestarter insist on blocking ports I'd already opened? [05:15] membreya: !! [05:15] what link do you have? [05:16] segfault: i use mirrors :) [05:16] :) [05:16] here in chile, we call "enlace" (in english, link) to the type of connection [05:16] t1, t2, etc.. [05:16] oh.... :P [05:16] cable [05:16] :D [05:16] :D [05:16] max speed I get from my mirror is about 700 - 800 [05:17] I got annoyed the other day, took me over 10 mins to download an ISO [05:17] !! [05:18] max speed i get, is about emm 140-150 [05:18] that's my USUAL speed from the US ubuntu servers [05:18] hmph... backports still down [05:19] yes, most frustrating :( === AceMan [~me@81-178-230-136.dsl.pipex.com] has left #kubuntu [] === andrewski [~andrewski@pool-70-110-186-53.phil.east.verizon.net] has joined #kubuntu [05:21] My usb camera is not recognized [05:22] Same problem as in Mandrake [05:22] membreya, hehe i get 7000 :) [05:22] It works in Windows (sic) :-) [05:22] modprobe ov511 [05:22] 7000? [05:22] 7000!! ??? [05:22] membreya, we were talking about connection speeds [05:22] i hope [05:23] whiteknight: yes, as in kB/s [05:23] yup [05:23] then i get 7000kB/s [05:23] nice isn't it :) [05:23] what are you, on the server network ? === darkaudit is in WV, w/ Verizon DSL... avg about 320K [05:23] no but a UK uni network [05:23] impossible for DSL to get that speed [05:23] aaah uni [05:23] ain't DSL [05:23] phat :) [05:24] membreya: 3Mbps line... [05:24] ahuh :D [05:24] p h a t [05:24] perfect for l33ching [05:24] i don't know what the fastest could be [05:24] thats what i get usually when i apt-get [05:25] argh... firestarter is still blocking services I already opeden :( [05:25] s/opened/opeden === membreya [~membreya@c211-28-78-53.sunsh3.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #kubuntu === membreya [~membreya@c211-28-78-53.sunsh3.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #kubuntu === membreya [~membreya@c211-28-78-53.sunsh3.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #kubuntu === smouche curses firefox for making the search bar so freaking tiny [05:31] xD [05:31] lol [05:31] smouche: learn your lesson, ff sux [05:32] hmm... any suggestions on a replacement for firestarter? It's ignoring my settings... === KaiL [KaiL@pD958BF28.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu === xamdm [~xamdm@p5484E966.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu === CellarDoor [~CellarDoo@d211-31-240-222.dsl.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #kubuntu === gahan [gahan@coyote.fsh.hu] has left #kubuntu [] [05:43] damnit, I'm going to declare a jihad on Kaffeine [05:44] how can we join ? :) [05:44] lol === KaiL [KaiL@pD95D5B3D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu [05:44] apparently it's only unstable in kubuntu though :| [05:45] matej@ubuntu:~/.aMule/Incoming$ dpkg -i cedega-4.3-1.i386.deb [05:45] dpkg: requested operation requires superuser privilege (- what can i do ?? [05:45] theD3viL: sudo dpkg -i cedega-4.3-1.i386.deb [05:45] aha... k i will try [05:46] cop that segfault ! :P [05:46] ah? [05:46] i answered b4 u [05:46] :D [05:46] hm [05:46] ahahha [05:46] lol [05:46] XD [05:46] %D [05:47] where cedega now is ? [05:47] theD3viL: whereis cedega [05:47] hehe [05:47] tnx :) [05:49] root@ubuntu:/home/matej/.aMule/Incoming # cedega [05:49] Moving all local fonts to /root/.transgaming_global/Fonts and removing local Fonts directory [05:49] Warning: Language 'en_SI' was not found, retrying without country name... [05:49] For language 'en' several language ids were found: [05:49] en_US - 0409; en_GB - 0809; en_AU - 0C09; en_CA - 1009; en_NZ - 1409; en_IE - 1809; en_ZA - 1C09; en_JM - 2009; en_ - 2409; en_BZ - 2809; en_TT - 2C09; [05:49] Instead of using first in the list, suggest to define [05:49] your LANG environment variable like this: LANG=en_US [05:49] usage: cedega [-use-pthreads ] [[-] -winver ] [[-] -debugmsg ] [[-] -version] [[-] -use-dos-cwd ] [[-] monitor-cdrom-eject] [application parameters] [05:49] wtf ? [05:49] theD3viL: use pastebin.com next time plz [05:50] :) [05:50] theD3viL: you're on your own now..try man cedega :P [05:50] :) [05:50] it seems require an app name [05:50] but essentially you have to tell it what app to load [05:50] piss off shogouki my answer was longer :P === ebirn [~ebirn@kerberos.kk.asn-wien.ac.at] has joined #kubuntu [05:51] membreya: too useless words :) [05:51] lol :P [05:51] theD3viL: [05:51] yes ? [05:51] why you dont use point2play? [05:52] becouse aMule dont downloading it :( [05:52] do you have it ? [05:52] it is about warez ? === CellarDoor is away: Away at the moment [05:54] http://www.transgaming.com/download.php [05:54] go there theD3viL [05:54] oh wait [05:54] pay [05:54] :P [05:54] :( [05:55] theD3viL: point2play is all over amule === bhna [~andreas@p54B82244.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu [05:55] join the razorback2 server (largest) [05:55] non-pr0n server :P [05:56] download it and send me, becouse my amule downloading NO! [05:56] :'( [05:56] i have open ports [05:56] how can an emule server be porn-free? [05:57] shogouki: I meant a non-pr0n based server (descriptions and server names) [05:57] theD3viL: getting it now, got somewhere for me to upload it ? [05:57] because I'm going to bed [05:58] hmm [05:58] dunno [05:58] ftp? [05:58] do you have an FTP ? [05:58] :P [05:58] no :S [05:58] you ? [05:58] send me it on gmail ;) [05:58] lol, technically I could establish one..but I would need to do it tomorrow nite [05:58] I CBF right now [05:58] you're discussing trading warez? [05:59] gdh: no, software for evaluation purposes [05:59] :) 'All for personal consumption, officer' :) [05:59] lol [05:59] how to start Kate as root? i try sudo kate but it doesn't launch.. and i cant even launch it later [05:59] use gedit [05:59] membreya, but can you send me it by xchat pls ? === gnumdk [~gnumdk@ANantes-252-1-26-6.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu [05:59] theD3viL: can you accept DCC? and remember, I'm going to sleep :P [06:00] hm [06:00] in xchat im not shure but i will try in konversation, k ? [06:00] membreya: that'd mean it's your end that will need to accept incoming connections :) [06:00] gdh: I haven't even tried [06:00] DCC send tells the other side where to connect to to collect thefile [06:00] question, does linux support uPnP? :| === theD3viL_ [~matej@BSN-77-90-27.dsl.siol.net] has joined #kubuntu [06:01] :) [06:04] membreya: it can do, but thankfully it doesn't by default =) [06:04] why not ? I loved uPnP in Windows === [square] [~chatzilla@d81-211-252-109.cust.tele2.it] has joined #kubuntu [06:05] uPnP is an abomination - imagine this -> spyware/virus gets in your windows box, and asks for ports to be opened so some remote service can come and 0wn your box. [06:05] firewalls should not be able to be controlled via automated software in that way [06:06] theD3viL: I could always serve the files on my apache server I suppose :P [06:06] uPnP is a useful idea for a more modern X.10 for home automation / media centre anywhere, etc. [06:06] but just don't touch the firewall =) [06:08] :) [06:08] gdh: true, but port forwarding is a pain in the bum..having to log into the router and change everything and all [06:09] membreya: Yes, but you remain in control. 'Ease of use' has been responsible for many major design and security faults :) === mikl [~mikkel@82.192.168.151] has joined #kubuntu [06:21] how do you start Qt designer? [06:22] designer === spiral [~spiral@lafilaire-4-82-224-249-43.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu [06:24] shogouki: oh, thank you === kanuha [~eddie@66.162.79.193] has joined #kubuntu [06:28] How can I make the kmenu transparent? I made the taskbar transparent, but do not see an option for the menu. I thought I did this before but do not remember how.. [06:28] PROBLEM: can't get translucency to work [06:28] any help? [06:28] please === wbx [~wbx@chrom.openbsd-geek.de] has joined #kubuntu [06:30] so who here has established wu-ftpd? [06:31] kanuha: look&feel -> style -> effects :) [06:34] Kail: thanks, where is look&feel [06:35] kde controlcenter :) [06:35] control panel === Blissex [~Blissex@82-69-39-138.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #KUbuntu [06:35] have anybody tried to install ut on his box ? [06:39] Kail: thanks, found it under Appearance & Themes - Style [06:39] ah, that's the englisch name ;) [06:39] Thanks === blueyed [~daniel@i528C3F44.versanet.de] has joined #kubuntu === theD3viL- [~geek@BSN-77-90-27.dsl.siol.net] has joined #kubuntu === Vorik [~Vorik@apeldoorn.xs4all.nl] has joined #kubuntu === seraph1 [~ecrespo@201.243.248.163] has joined #kubuntu === ztonzy [~ztonzy@ztonzy.artist.blender] has joined #kubuntu [07:00] theD3viL-: ut as in ut2004? [07:03] anyone that knows if the kdelibs available now is ok? [07:05] what means "ok" for you? [07:06] it was quite unstable a couple of days ago and many had trouble with crashing kde after they installed it [07:06] me among them [07:08] there's an update in hoary-security, maybe that helps.. [07:08] oh, missed that [07:08] :) [07:08] are there already testing cds for kubuntu breezy ? [07:09] rejser, they seem to be working here [07:09] rejser, it is the more fundamental stuff like libc6 and glib that is broken [07:09] rejser, something about missing DSO system stuff [07:10] man where do those MS people come up with these prices that Access should be worth $200 instead of $100 [07:10] whiskers: ok [07:11] fuck them....i am just going to keep on working to try to get the database stuff for free someday [07:12] we already have a kernel...and some gui widgets...and some designer tools...so the database stuff should be possible in the future [07:13] i'd stay away from breezy [07:13] buz, what can breezy do? [07:13] for now only small updates [07:14] but the real problem is that MS says they are going to use CSS KUNGFU to take over the internet [07:15] they don't like all those people using firefox === _linkin_ [user@Ea17e.e.strato-dslnet.de] has joined #kubuntu === _linkin_ [user@Ea17e.e.strato-dslnet.de] has left #kubuntu [] [07:18] anybody here, who has already tried kubuntu on an i915 laptop? === Alex_Palex [Lucky@adsl-ull-232-236.42-151.net24.it] has joined #kubuntu [07:21] KaiL: kind of... [07:21] K [07:22] KaiL: sonoma [07:22] KaiL: is it the same kind of laptop for you ? [07:22] is it a known bug when you can't switch to administrator mode in kcontrol ? [07:23] I "only" try to verify some rather bad made article in german c't magazine [07:23] xxenon: are you sudoer when you do so ? [07:23] KaiL: about what ? [07:23] xxenon: the password it asks for, is your user pw [07:23] so NOONE here has setup wu-ftpd? [07:23] :| [07:24] spiral: Linux (they tested SuSE 9.2 and 9.3 and Fredora 3) on i915-based Laptops [07:25] I believe I'm having problems in chrooting ls [07:25] KaiL: and they had some problems ? [07:25] yes [07:25] that article has a very very bad fazit [07:26] KaiL: what kind of problems ? because I've got a lot of problems indeed... [07:27] ACPI S3, cardreader, PC-card, 56k-modem, TV-out, dualscreen... [07:27] which one do you have? [07:29] spiral - running kcontrol as a user [07:29] KaiL - yes I know, but after entering the password, it goes back to the kcontrol welcome screen [07:29] xxenon: yes, but a normal user or a sudoer user ? [07:30] spiral - sudoer (the main user) === TayloR-Away [~taylor@host217-42-94-151.range217-42.btcentralplus.com] has joined #kubuntu [07:31] xxenon: so it is quite strange... because it has been patched to use sudo instead of su [07:31] spiral: which one do you have? [07:31] spiral - now the behaviour changed, it's just displaying "Loading..." , it hangs there [07:31] KaiL: problems ? ACPI S3, PC card [07:32] which laptop [07:32] KaiL: didn't check the card reader neither the 56k nor the tv-out [07:32] KaiL: medion md 95257 I think [07:33] xxenon: quite strange... you still can use "sudo kcontrol", but that's strange [07:38] buz, what are the plans for breezy...is ubuntu going to fix this DSO problem === dvoid [~dvoid@c-215fe155.2010-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #kubuntu [07:39] buz, and the PHP problem === Niki [~niki@p5481C50B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu [07:40] buz, and the glom problem [07:41] buz, hmmm.....they will have their hands full === phunky [~phunky@cpc3-rdng8-5-0-cust132.winn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #kubuntu [07:43] spiral: it doesn't come back from S3? [07:43] KaiL: no :-/// [07:44] do you have some LAN? [07:44] to find out, if anything gets back === billytwowilly [~chris@S0106000c413a2c0c.ed.shawcable.net] has joined #kubuntu [07:44] KaiL: sk98lin broken... I need to install a driver... [07:45] never tried to ping when S3 blocked [07:45] I could check [07:45] maybe only the vga doesn't get back [07:45] quite common [07:45] KaiL: maybe... I'll check [07:45] oh, and disable any 3d accelerated vga driver! [07:46] all I tried don't get back [07:48] KaiL: I need nvidia driver more than S3 in fact [07:48] nvidia one broke that on a Socket A desktop system I had here 3 days ago... [07:49] :-/ [07:50] KaiL: without nvidia's driver, I can't use blender [07:50] idea: try to disable the driver to find out, if it is "the evil one" :) [07:52] who knows what is wrong: Couldn't run Unreal Tournament (ut-bin). Is UT_DATA_PATH set? [07:53] KaiL: I'll try [07:53] and I'll try S4 here :) === TayloR-Away [~taylor@host217-42-94-151.range217-42.btcentralplus.com] has left #kubuntu ["Ill] === snyff [~snyff@ARouen-251-1-45-111.w83-199.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu [07:56] hello === pvh [~pvh@S010600104b692958.du.shawcable.net] has joined #kubuntu === florian [~florian@dsl-213-023-219-040.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu [07:59] I'm trying to build a RivaTV driver for my videocard, but the ./configure script doesn't recognize that I have the kernel headers installed. Has anyone else done this before? === jswiniar [~jswiniar@akh29.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #kubuntu === faked_ [~faked@83-65-232-171.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #kubuntu === HillTop [~chatzilla@cpe-66-91-252-59.san.res.rr.com] has joined #kubuntu === whiteknight [~james@jac208.caths.cam.ac.uk] has joined #kubuntu === CellarDoor is back. === CellarDoor [~CellarDoo@d211-31-240-222.dsl.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has left #kubuntu ["Konversation] [08:05] how come kde has the new usb-mount code and gnome doesn't have something similar [08:09] wow...today Apple says MS is stealing their ideas.....both those people are something else [08:10] who knows what is wrong: Couldn't run Unreal Tournament (ut-bin). Is UT_DATA_PATH set? === TD|Gaute [~gaute@176.80-202-165.nextgentel.com] has joined #kubuntu === PenguinBoy [~penguinbo@24.159.145.55] has joined #kubuntu [08:13] Afternoon guys! [08:13] can I get soe help with GRUB? === bleertep [~bleertep1@port-212-202-198-196.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #kubuntu [08:14] |afk === KaiL [KaiL@pD95D5B9A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu === BockBilbo [~Bock@85.84.43.70] has joined #kubuntu === BockBilbo [~Bock@85.84.43.70] has left #kubuntu ["Leaving"] === prototyp [~charlotte@matthijstenkate.speedxs.nl] has joined #kubuntu [08:15] evening [08:15] hey [08:16] how are you [08:16] fine, you? [08:16] great === Zugot [~bryan@pcp0010860530pcs.longhl01.md.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu [08:16] can you give a newb some help with GRUB? [08:16] I'm having some kind of dependency problem when trying to install kdelibs-data === gsuveg [~gsuveg@a1196.adsl.pool.eol.hu] has joined #kubuntu [08:16] gheh :) [08:16] re [08:17] guess I'm a newbie as well ;) [08:17] ola [08:17] but ohwell... we can try [08:17] what's your problem with grub? [08:17] prototyp: the overwrite-error? [08:18] KaiL: it refuses to overwrite some cliparts... hang on, I'll fetch the exact error [08:18] it's dutch though... [08:18] dpkg: fout bij afhandelen van /cdrom//pool/main/k/kdelibs/kdelibs-data_3.4.0-0ubuntu3_all.deb (--unpack): [08:18] poging tot overschrijven van `/usr/share/icons/default.kde', wat ook in pakket knetworkconf zit [08:18] I installed Kubuntu on an XP partitioned drive earlier and when it installed the grub loaded I could not boot into anything.....I have reformatted my HDD and reinstalled Xp and now am reinstalling Kubuntu.....I am at the Install the GRUB Boot Loader on Hard Disk portion of the install and am a little frightened....I do not want to make any mistakes on it this time [08:18] cliparts? that's a folder ;) [08:19] that's right [08:19] oh, a little bit different this time.. [08:19] it can't seem to update /usr/share/icons/default.kde [08:19] which is a symlink [08:19] weird part is [08:19] but the fix is the same: dpkg -i --force-overwrite /cdrom/pool/main/k/kdelibs/kdelibs-data_3.4.0-0ubuntu3_all.deb [08:19] when I rename the symlink [08:19] it gives the same error [08:20] KaiL: ok I'll try that [08:20] It ssys that the following other operating systems have been detected ib this computer: Nicrosoft Windows XP Professional.......My only option is YES or NO so I am going to press Yes [08:20] because dpkg doesn't look, it the file is there, it only knows drom it's database, it SHOULD be there === _ubuntu [~ubuntu@lns-vlq-48-mar-82-251-17-93.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu [08:20] KaiL: unable to find file [08:21] mount /cdrom [08:21] then it can find the file again [08:21] YEAH...it worked this time....SCHWEET! [08:21] PenguinBoy, you mean you paid for that expensive kernel in XP Pro [08:22] PenguinBoy, I way MS can keep it === theD3viL- is now known as theD3viL [08:22] come with the laptop [08:22] PenguinBoy: and you did the same things as first time? [08:22] yes...odd isn;t it [08:22] indeed [08:23] KaiL: okay that worked :) [08:23] here is the only difference........the first time I installed Kubuntu onto a 15 GB partition...this time I only installed it onto a 7 GB partition [08:23] KaiL: but when I do apt-get upgrade now, it tries to install kdelibs-data again... will that cause harm? :) [08:23] PenguinBoy, that is a mistake [08:23] what [08:23] prototyp: duno, I *hope* not...:) [08:23] PenguinBoy, i would not waste any more time on that partition setup [08:24] why [08:24] KaiL: well... only one way to find out :) [08:24] I wonder, why you get it that early [08:24] PenguinBoy, kubuntu is sitting at 13 gigs....and still there is a little more work to do [08:24] normally the error only comes with the update..... [08:24] shoot [08:24] i am gonna pull my hair out [08:25] PenguinBoy, you need to allocate about 20 i would say if you don't want any games or videos [08:25] PenguinBoy, go back and refdisk...before you waste any more time [08:25] KaiL: maybe because I added the extra repositories which are mentioned on ubuntuguide.org ? [08:25] I would do a full isstall of Kubunti and forget Win XP....but I cannot get my wireless connection to work in Kubuntu [08:25] now I have kde 3.4 [08:26] prototyp: afaik it's not possible to install knetworkconf before kdelibs-data... [08:26] PenguinBoy, well i saw some wifi stuff in kde...but i don't have the hardware to test it [08:26] whiskers: 20GB??? [08:26] KaiL, well the absolute minimum here is 13 gigs and there is still some work to do [08:26] (b'sides do you guys also have the problem that the backports don't work?) [08:26] until 4 days ago I used a 15GB disk for my system AND my work AND my MP3s.... [08:26] including eclipse [08:27] whiskers: that's bull [08:27] with all due respect :) [08:27] did you find an "install everything"-button in kubuntu, I missed? [08:27] KaiL, i am sitting at 13gigs for kubuntu and that is without any games or videos or anything [08:27] i am booting into Linux and it has paused on Starting hotplug subsystem...any ideas anout what to do? [08:27] Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on [08:27] /dev/hda2 5534448 3291960 1961352 63% / [08:27] whiskers: how that?!? [08:27] KaiL, and i don't have that large a /usr/src directory i don't think [08:28] KaiL, how could i find out how much build space i have used [08:28] 21GB here, including 14GB MP3... [08:28] +1 GB Eclipse [08:28] here i will give you the printout of df [08:28] -grin- [08:28] Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on [08:28] /dev/hda1 37729628 13572388 22240688 38% / [08:28] tmpfs 128404 0 128404 0% /dev/shm [08:28] none 5120 2820 2300 56% /dev [08:28] there it is.. [08:29] looks like 13gigs [08:29] already [08:29] and no movies, games or mp3s [08:29] how did you fill that? [08:29] KaiL, building a basic ubuntu system [08:29] wget -r *? [08:30] KaiL, how can i find out how much space in my build directory .../usr/src [08:30] du [08:30] du what [08:30] or use mc [08:30] great....the install continues! [08:30] du /usr/src [08:30] :) [08:31] KaiL, i did du /usr/src...and a list is going on forever [08:31] KaiL, how can i just get the stats [08:31] at the end you get the numbers [08:31] KaiL, well it may take hours [08:31] 52 here... [08:31] but 52 what? [08:31] 52 files? [08:31] 52 bytes? [08:31] 52 KiB [08:31] KaiL, ok i got to the end [08:32] 3804496 /usr/src [08:32] KaiL, so is that about 3gig in /usr/src....build files for ubuntu [08:32] ~4GB [08:32] so that's 3,8GB? [08:32] yes [08:32] KaiL, so not too much....the rest of the 13gigs is strictly kubuntu [08:33] i did not think it require so much [08:33] KaiL, and i still don't have the db stuff working so there is still some to go === Boogieman [~Slow-Moti@p548DC3AE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu [08:33] hello [08:33] afternoon boogieman [08:33] PenguinBoy, yes i would allocate 20gigs...if you don 't want any movies, games, mp3s, etc [08:33] for me evening [08:33] PenguinBoy, but at least it is less than 80gigs for gentoo [08:33] whiskers: how did you install kubuntu? CD? apt? [08:34] PenguinBoy, dsl connection [08:34] whiskers: 4GB sources out of which you need 0 byte is "not so much"? [08:34] whiskers...it is a moot point now....unless I want to reformat.....reinstall Xp......repartition...and reinstall Kubuntu.....that is a lot of work [08:34] PenguinBoy, well i would before it is too late [08:34] PenguinBoy, or try to resize [08:34] how then [08:34] PenguinBoy: If your demands are not too high, 7 gigs should be plenty [08:35] let me give you my df -h [08:35] k [08:35] KaiL, i needed every byte of those 4gigs. [08:35] KaiL, and still there is a few to go [08:35] Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on [08:35] /dev/hda2 5,3G 3,2G 1,9G 63% / [08:35] tmpfs 126M 0 126M 0% /dev/shm [08:35] /dev/hdb3 2,4G 4,0K 2,4G 1% /home/uitwisselmap [08:35] /dev/hdb2 957M 33M 925M 4% /tmp [08:35] /dev/hdb1 2,8G 422M 2,4G 15% /var [08:36] yeh, mine sits at 3G and there's a whole load of dross installed already. the base install was about 1.5G [08:36] wonderful [08:36] ~3.7 - more common... [08:36] exactly === prototyp is still wondering what whiskers has installed extra, besides the sources... [08:37] I have Kubuntu on my desktop on an 80 GB HDD all of its own.....but my laptop only have 35 GB total [08:37] prototyp, well maybe i will try ls of my build directory [08:37] penguinboy: that's still 10 gigs more than my total diskspace :) [08:37] automake glom3 lame pgaccess soundfonts [08:37] cupid-0.0.2 gnolin libgda2 phex transcode [08:37] epson gtkdoc libgdamm playmidi vienna [08:37] f4l gtranscode libogg postgres vorbistools [08:37] ffmpeg hdparm libvorbis pygda w32cod [08:37] ffmpeg2theora hk_classes libxslt pygtk xbase [08:37] firefox hplayer linux-headers-2.6.10-5 rekall XML::Parser [08:37] freemat imlib linux-headers-2.6.10-5-386 rekall2 [08:37] i fell much better now [08:37] gimpshop java mysqladministrator rpm [08:37] glom kexi nvidia-kernel-source.tar.gz scons [08:37] glom2 knoda nvu scummvm [08:38] ok this is my build directory so far [08:38] why build so much yourself? [08:38] lucky ol' you [08:38] lol [08:38] whiskers: give up now and use gentoo [08:38] -grin- [08:38] gdh, i don't have a big enough hard disk for gentoo [08:38] now why you build all that manually? [08:38] how hdd intensive is gentoo [08:38] try Windows 95 then :) [08:39] lol [08:39] PenguinBoy, well i was up to 80gigs....before the HD crashed [08:39] still sad what happened to good old BeOS [08:39] PenguinBoy: with gentoo, you can fill every disk ;) [08:39] PenguinBoy, but i am just working on the basics in ubuntu as you can see from sl [08:39] ls [08:39] ls /usr/src [08:39] small, *nix based and blazing fast [08:40] does Gentoo have something similar to apt-get? or do you compile everythign from source? [08:40] source [08:40] gentoo is emerging everything, right? [08:40] I really like apt-get [08:41] gentoo is a great system: you compile 1 year to save 1sec a week afterwards :) [08:41] KaiL: LOL === theD3viL [~geek@BSN-77-90-27.dsl.siol.net] has joined #kubuntu [08:42] install done......everything okay this time [08:42] do you guys also have the problem that the backports-repositories aren't working? === dvoid is now known as Dvoid|familyguy [08:43] which backports? [08:44] deb http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/backports hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted [08:44] deb http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/backports hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted [08:44] KaiL, look at my ls /usr/src....and you will see i needed every byte of those 4 gigs [08:44] KaiL, and still there is more to go [08:45] whiskers: needed for what? [08:45] 'Internal server error' [08:45] KaiL, for a basic desktop system [08:45] is what I get when I do apt-get update using those sources [08:45] a better ego, that you compiled everything on your own? [08:45] KaiL, no...if they would have been in synaptic...i would not have had to compile them [08:46] KaiL, but you search for ffmpeg2theora for example and you will see [08:46] I think that's what the backports were for... [08:46] whiskers: and why hdparm? it's in main [08:46] KaiL, the one in main is way out of date [08:47] KaiL, same with scummvm [08:47] prototyp: me drop a http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/backports/dists/hoary-backports/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz 500 Internal Server Error [08:47] oh, and you know 'universe'? [08:48] Now if I could only get my wireless connection to work I would be in perfect Linux bliss [08:49] gsuveg: exactly [08:49] i cant unrar any file. booth unrar and rar-2.80 are not doing it somehow [08:49] ah [08:49] but it's still on ubuntuguide.org [08:49] so I wonder why [08:49] whiskers: so now you have hdparm 5.9 instead of 5.8? === AMIGrAve [~amigrave@71.126-200-80.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #kubuntu [08:49] Kail..yes 5.9...how did you know [08:50] KaiL, the one in main was too old to be useful [08:50] looked at /usr/share/doc/hdparm/copyright [08:50] KaiL, you can see my computer [08:50] next time you should try packages from breezy first - there's 6.1 :p [08:50] KaiL, well i did not know breezy was ready yet [08:50] /usr/share/doc/hdparm/copyright has the download-URL :) [08:50] KaiL, did they fix a few of the problems [08:50] but that seams to have changed recently [08:51] where is a source for 5.9? [08:51] hdparm-6.1 [08:51] - fix BLKGETSIZE bug introduced in 6.0 [08:51] hdparm-6.0 [08:51] - correct usage of BLKGETSIZE64 (returns bytes instead of sectors) [08:51] - Added ATA Security switches (Benjamin Benz bbe[AT] heise[DOT] de) [08:51] Boogieman, i have it all here and will upload it to you for free if there is anything you want from my build directory [08:52] whiskers can you fix my wireless connection??? [08:52] at the moment i only need a working unrar [08:52] PenguinBoy, i don't have the hardware to experiment with [08:52] lol PenguinBoy [08:52] PenguinBoy, but if there is anything you want from my system...just let me know [08:52] nirvana === gdh is now known as gBoodh [08:53] feck === gBoodh is now known as gdh [08:53] Boogieman: tried the 'unrar' package from "multiverse" repository? [08:53] is there a solution for the kdelibs-data bug (#10035) in order to get back all kubuntish look of kde and the user kde configuration ? [08:53] it's the non-free 3.x which will deal with your RAR. [08:53] whiskers: you know about that security thing? [08:54] http://my.opera.com/gsuveg/affiliate/ < please click this link [08:54] thanks for the assistance guys,,,,you were great! === AceMan [~me@81-178-230-136.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #kubuntu [08:55] KaiL, also i have a little more to build let me give you an ls of unfinished stuff [08:55] gsuveg: get bent :) [08:55] gsuveg forget it [08:55] adios amigos y amigas! [08:55] multiverse? [08:56] 141-Compleet bank synth.zip [08:56] 4494-wavetoy 4.zip [08:56] 4494-wavetoy.zip [08:56] admin.pdf [08:56] all-20050216.tar.bz2 [08:56] Anatomic.P2P.Tracker.0.2.BETA.tar.gz [08:56] i only have universe [08:56] Anvil of Dawn.zip [08:56] autoconf-2.59.tar.gz [08:56] automake-1.9.tar.gz [08:56] bakery-2.3.13.tar.gz [08:56] beagle-0.0.9.tar.gz [08:56] cupid-0.0.2.tar.gz [08:56] curl-7.13.2.tar.gz [08:56] dmocodecs.tar.bz2 [08:56] essential-20050216.tar.bz2 [08:56] F4L-BETA-0.2.tar.bz2 [08:56] well... let's try the reboot... see if we still have a working system after that :P [08:56] fairnat-0.79.tar.gz [08:56] fairnat-1.79.tar.gz [08:56] ffmpeg-0.4.9-pre1.tar.gz [08:56] firefox-1.0.3.installer.tar.gz [08:56] fixscript [08:56] font-arial-iso-8859-1.tar.bz2 [08:56] FOTAQ_Floppy.zip [08:56] fotaq.zip [08:56] frabs210.zip [08:56] gda2-postgres_1.2.1-2_i386.deb [08:56] glame-2.0.0-1.1.fc3.fr.i386.rpm [08:56] glom-0.8.20.tar.gz === KaiL found a flooder... [08:56] glom-0.8.21.tar.gz [08:56] glom-0.8.22.tar.gz [08:56] gtksql-0.4.2.tar.gz [08:57] gtranscode-v0.3.tar.gz [08:57] gtweakui-0.4.0-1.1.fc3.fr.i386.rpm [08:57] hdparm-5.9.tar.gz [08:57] hdparm-6.0.tar.gz [08:57] is there a solution for the kdelibs-data bug (#10035) in order to get back all kubuntish look of kde and the user kde configuration ? < that i want to know too [08:57] hdparm-6.1.tar.gz [08:57] hk_classes-0.7.4-test1.tar.bz2 [08:57] hk_classes-htmldocumentation-0.7.3-test2.tar.bz2 [08:57] hxplay-1.0.3.tar.bz2 [08:57] imlib-1.9.15.tar.gz [08:57] Industrial-1.0.tar.bz2 [08:57] yes whiskers you are great [08:57] iso-codes_0.46-1.diff.gz [08:57] iso-codes_0.46.orig.tar.gz [08:57] jeti0.6.4.tar.gz [08:57] kexi-0.1beta5.tar.bz2 [08:57] kexi_0.1cvs20050408-1_i386.deb [08:57] Boogieman: hmm... I think I just faced that problem ;) [08:57] knoda-0.7.4-test1.tar.bz2 [08:57] ignore it ;) [08:57] lame-3.96.1.tar.gz [08:57] Boogieman: yeps, I guess that like me you found a lot of posts about it but no real solution [08:57] lame-3.96.1.zip [08:57] lame-4.0a10.tar.bz2 [08:57] libao-0.8.6.tar.gz [08:57] libgda2_1.2.1.orig.tar.gz [08:57] libgda2-dev_1.2.1-2_i386.deb [08:57] libming_0.2a.cvs20020110-1_i386.deb [08:57] libmp3lame-devel-3.96.1-EL-1.tar.bz2 [08:57] libogg-1.1-1.src.rpm [08:57] libogg-1.1.tar.gz [08:57] libspeex1_1.1.6-2_i386.deb [08:58] libspeex-dev_1.1.6-2_i386.deb [08:58] libtwolame0_0.3.3-1_i386.deb [08:58] libtwolame0-dev_0.3.3-1_i386.deb [08:58] libvorbis-1.0.1-1.src.rpm [08:58] libvorbis-1.0.1.tar.gz [08:58] libvorbis-devel-1.0.1-1.i386.rpm [08:58] libxslt-cvs-snapshot.tar.gz [08:58] Is part of the bug that the entire kde panel 'dissapears' ? [08:58] Linmodem-HOWTO-3_files [08:58] whiskers: do you know about the #flood channel ? [08:58] Linmodem-HOWTO-3.html [08:58] Linmodem-HOWTO-4a_files [08:58] Linmodem-HOWTO-4a.html [08:58] Linmodem-HOWTO-5_files [08:58] Linmodem-HOWTO-5.html [08:58] I've had to rebuild every section of it [08:58] Linmodem-HOWTO-6_files [08:58] manually [08:58] me too [08:58] Linmodem-HOWTO-6.html [08:58] Linmodem-HOWTO-7_files [08:58] Linmodem-HOWTO-8_files [08:58] Linmodem-HOWTO-8.html [08:58] linux568.zip [08:58] menueditor_0.4.3ubuntu1_all.deb [08:58] Boogieman: dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_3.4.0-0ubuntu3.1_all.deb [08:58] menueditor_0.4.3ubuntu1.tar.gz [08:58] mjpeg2kdlls.tar.bz2 [08:58] MonteCarlito_v1_05.xls [08:58] whiskers: SHUT UP [08:58] MPlayer-1.0pre6a.tar.bz2 [08:58] mplayer-w32codec-1.0-1.src.rpm [08:58] mysql-administrator-1.0.20-linux.tar.gz [08:58] mysql-administrator-2.0.20-linux.tar.gz [08:59] norom-linmodem.t [08:59] whiskers please stop i [08:59] KaiL,no..not trying to flood...just some additional stuff that needs to be done [08:59] KaiL, along with breezy fixing the DSO and PHP stuff [08:59] AMIGrAve, not trying to flood ..just pointing some of the shortcomings of ubuntu [08:59] it [08:59] KaiL, ok..i will shut up [08:59] whiskers: all people will ignore you nick if you continue [08:59] i solved that problem with a simple ignore [08:59] forever [08:59] well... I can add mc to that ;) [08:59] for the basic install, that is [08:59] not trying to flood << minister of information from Iraq? :) [08:59] Boogieman: dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_3.4.0-0ubuntu3.1_all.deb < that brings the kubuntu look back? [09:00] no it doesn't [09:00] it just fixes the dependency prob [09:00] Boogieman: I thought, you have the problem while installing the update :) [09:00] which is fine by me... I don't need the ubuntu-ish look, just a working system ;) [09:00] yes but i brought everything back manually [09:01] anyway, thanks for your help guys [09:01] I'll try a reboot now and see if everything stays working ;) [09:01] Boogieman: KaiL : the force overwrite will allow to install kdelibs-data but it won't bring back kubuntu look and behaviour. I tried to add a new user and log on with, I had a kde default desktop, not the kubuntu defaults [09:02] test dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_3.4.0-0ubuntu3.1_all.deb [09:02] test: sudo "dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_3.4.0-0ubuntu3.1_all.deb" [09:02] ok [09:02] just created an user command for that [09:03] i removed kdenetwork?, install kdelibs-data, and after reinstall kdenetwork [09:03] knetworkconf afair [09:03] yes. that dont remember [09:04] also a way [09:04] brb [09:04] i have kdelibs-data 4:3.4.0-0ubuntu3.1 [09:04] (I hope) ;) [09:05] Version: 4:3.4.0-0ubuntu3 [09:05] hmm [09:05] and where do i find multiverse sources for apt-get? is that the same as universe? [09:05] KaiL: did you had the problem ? === Kyaneos [~Kyaneos@80-28-181-34.adsl.nuria.telefonica-data.net] has joined #kubuntu [09:06] Boogieman: If it was the same as universe, it wouldn't be called multiverse :) [09:06] Boogieman: duplicate the universe line in your sources.list === dimmak [user@lsanca1-ar55-4-65-118-030.lsanca1.dsl-verizon.net] has joined #kubuntu [09:06] Boogieman: and change universe to multiverse [09:06] what? [09:06] ahh [09:06] ok [09:07] AMIGrAve: the dpkg-error or the gone away kubuntu-look? === _charlotte [~charlotte@matthijstenkate.speedxs.nl] has joined #kubuntu [09:10] everybody get's the first (bad...), duno about the second === _charlotte is now known as prototyp [09:10] I've set everything manually, as this once way a debian sarge [09:10] well... that seems to work :) [09:10] KaiL: both. Well I had the dpkg-error and I forced the install. But now I can't get back kubuntu look and behaviour (with behaviour I mean that when I insert my usb storage, the icon won't come on the desktop anymore, the same for DVD's and my camera) and there are also other things that won't work anymore [09:10] running 2.6.11-1 [09:10] :D [09:11] grr, here 2.6.11 freezes on login :( [09:11] the 686 or 386? [09:11] Boogieman: and change universe to multiverse < that will do the trick? [09:11] k7 [09:11] That's what I said =) [09:11] hmmm [09:12] I'll try kubuntu on my brand-new k7 tomorrow [09:12] login into X to be exact [09:12] deb http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe [09:12] deb http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary multiverse [09:12] both work like a charm [09:12] have to get myself a decent disk imager first [09:12] it's a 32Bit-K8 here (also known as Sempron) [09:12] errr [09:12] then I have a... K9? :) [09:12] arf :) [09:12] AMD64-3200 [09:13] that's a 64Bit-K8 [09:13] i don't know why everybody gets mad at me...i just try to be honest [09:13] and in my opinion...ubuntu needs more work [09:13] K9 will follow in late 2007 :) [09:13] whiskers: which kind of work? [09:13] KaiL: gonna try to reinstall kubuntu-desktop [09:14] it's not the most important thing to have every app in the most recent version [09:14] whiskers: linux needs more work in general ;) === spiral [~spiral@lafilaire-4-82-224-249-43.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu [09:14] KaiL, well it would help to have all those packages plus a few more in synaptic already built....and also...to fix the DSO problem and the PHP problem [09:14] I'm only a bit unlucky with the "universe", as so around everybody needs to fight with sources.list === prototyp sighs... thinking of good ol' BeOS [09:15] KaiL, universe does not have this material [09:15] DSO? PHP? [09:15] does debian? [09:15] KaiL, i dont know what debian has....i go get the stuff myself [09:16] KaiL, but if anybody wants anything for free...let me know [09:16] currently I only hope, the last remaining hardware issues will go away until 5.10 comes out [09:17] imho that's a "bit" more important than uncommon apps :) [09:17] but... why is, for example, OOo not the latest version? [09:17] why 1.1.3 when 1.1.4 is already months around? [09:18] and why no *security* updates for thunderbird and firefox??? [09:18] compiling OOo is something for somebody who has killed mother and father... [09:18] i thought there was a deb somewhere [09:18] buz: ask on #ubuntu-devel :) === dave [~dave@p54A3A812.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu [09:19] KaiL: exactly... so why not ship it with ubuntu? :) [09:19] i built oo 1.1.1 once [09:19] took a long time but wasnt hard at all === dave [~dave@p54A3A812.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #kubuntu ["Konversation] [09:19] and was ultimately disappointing :) [09:19] of course, that could be related to the fact that it was on freebsd ;) [09:19] KaiL: gonna try to reinstall kubuntu-desktop < but that want to also reinstall all the thing i have deinstalled [09:20] Boogieman: only an idea: [09:20] insert kubuntu cd [09:20] mount /cdrom [09:21] dpkg -i /cdrom//pool/main/k/kubuntu-default-settings/kubuntu-default-settings_5.04-11_all.deb [09:21] ...I hope, the patch is correct :) [09:22] uhoh [09:22] eh path [09:22] ./cdrom//pool < two //? [09:23] apt-get --reinstall install kubuntu-default-settings << does the same [09:23] ops, / is enough === Dvoid|familyguy is now known as Dvoid [09:25] ok i try to reinstall it [09:26] i have reinstalled it [09:27] i do a reboot now [09:27] relogin should be enough [09:27] ok [09:27] i try === eggy [~eggy@eggy.active.supporter.pdpc] has joined #kubuntu === Boogieman [~Slow-Moti@p548DC3AE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu [09:31] re [09:32] reinstalling the default settings did not do it === jacky [~jacky@d83-177-164-44.cust.tele2.fr] has joined #kubuntu [09:34] hmm :( === ztonzy [~ztonzy@ztonzy.artist.blender] has joined #kubuntu [09:37] and how can i get the preview funktion for videos back? [09:38] so that it show the first frame of the video as a pic === SpookyET [~not4_u@24-196-233-44.cpe.ga.charter.com] has joined #kubuntu [09:38] hi [09:38] ey [09:39] What's up with the mem usage? I got konqueror, kopete, konversation, and amaroK, and it is using 400 MiB of RAM. [09:39] Boogieman: in konqueror view -> preview [09:40] SpookyET: without buffers? [09:40] KaiL i know where to find it [09:40] buffers? [09:40] total used free shared buffers cached [09:40] Mem: 504 499 4 0 32 220 [09:40] -/+ buffers/cache: 247 256 [09:40] Swap: 0 0 0 [09:40] but on what do i need to click [09:41] ....499 MiB used, but only 257 for apps, the other half are buffers [09:41] what's that? [09:41] output from free -m :) [09:41] Boogieman: any of them not checked? [09:41] then try that one :) [09:42] what are buffers [09:42] caches of any kind [09:43] i have checked pdf, text files, written stuff, pictures, html files [09:43] but what do i need to check to get the video files [09:43] no idea, which one that is... [09:45] i have checked all now [09:45] no viedeo preview [09:45] akode-mpeg is installed? [09:46] whoops [09:46] no [09:46] hmm [09:46] but doesn't work here too - grrrr [09:47] installed it and same here [09:47] what is akode for? [09:48] one of these media libs [09:48] can i uninstall it or is it needed by something? [09:48] afair by this function only [09:50] akode and akode-mpeg deinstalled [09:50] I'd say, this kdelibs-data update isn't the best thing I've seen.... [09:50] it worked with the old version? === licio [~licio@BHE048181.res-com.wayinternet.com.br] has joined #kubuntu [09:51] yes in the old version everything was fine [09:52] kubuntu looked like kubuntu and the video files had a preview === torpid [~pral@32430cbc9c44d78a.node.tor] has joined #KUBUNTU [09:53] the bloodbath http://nurme.yi.org/~sdogi/Intro.avi.torrent [09:54] bad :(( === rejser [~rejser@customer-fw30.varberg.net] has joined #kubuntu === torpid [~pral@df819260c50c3a6f.node.tor] has joined #KUBUNTU [09:55] and can someone tell me why xine freezes when i want to load a subtitle? [09:57] maybe if glom could make use of hd_classes like knoda does...it might have a chance to work [09:57] but still the DSO needs to be fixed for kexi [09:58] and PHP needs to be fixed for DBMaster [09:59] and the kernel needs to be fixed for linmodems [09:59] what is better xine or mplayer? or is it just another holy war? [09:59] Boogieman: mplayer consumes less [09:59] Boogieman, one is gnome the other is kde [10:00] but if you have powerful pc then xine could be easier and flexible to use i guess [10:01] i dont now if my 800mhz are powerful [10:01] Boogieman, is it a P3 [10:01] amd duron [10:02] Boogieman, not too familiar with that...but if it is similar to P3...it should be fast enough for video...but it is right at the cutoff === flames [~flames@caracas-1218.adsl.interware.hu] has joined #kubuntu [10:02] Boogieman, the 800M was really the cutoff point for a lot of apps [10:03] whiskers: "cutoff point"? [10:04] can someone tell my why the mandrake guys are no using apt-get? [10:04] it is much easyer [10:04] I don't understand something: when I inserted dvd's before, an icon appeared on the desktop - now, no. What's up with that? [10:04] KaiL, yes...everybody was experimenting with video apps and dvd burning and many games....and 800M seemed to be around the cutoff point where they did not work well [10:04] Duron 800 should be enough for Videos [10:05] here mplayer wins a little bit, as it has --framedrop [10:05] if you drop every 10th image,or so, nobody will see, but it doesn't get out of sync [10:06] can i user the 586 or 686 version on my 800m? [10:07] 800m what [10:07] amd duron [10:07] there's no k7 one? [10:07] 686 for sure [10:07] but there ought to be a k7 versio [10:08] yes [10:08] lol.. [10:08] mplayer-k7: Depends: mplayer-k6 but it is not going to be installed [10:09] http://moba.linuxfaqs.de/mplayer_1.0cvs_i386.deb [10:09] try that file [10:09] has runtime detection of cpu features [10:10] afair the "mplayer-k6" from debian doesn't even use 3DNow [10:10] that sucks [10:10] runtime detection cpu features [10:10] why? [10:10] mplayer is best compiled by yourself, then it is awsome [10:10] by that i mean it consumes so few cpu cycles [10:11] because it's 0,0000000000000001 slower, if there's one if() more? [10:11] i use it on very shitty pc's like pentium I [10:11] Isn't the most important CPU-related part of 'mplayer' the libavcodec ? i.e. not part of mplayer ? :) [10:11] I bet not using the features at all is much worse === JaZy15 [~cgjazinsk@cpe-70-117-198-26.rgv.res.rr.com] has joined #kubuntu === _nathan [~nathan@adsl-69-225-23-183.dsl.skt2ca.pacbell.net] has joined #kubuntu [10:12] ok you gave me the answer mplayer for itself is a holy war [10:12] ack [10:12] haha [10:12] I had that package made for my K6-2/500, as there using 3DNow is a rather good idea [10:12] Boogieman, the entire GNU/Linux effort is a Holy War...and has been from the beginning [10:13] Boogieman, Linus did not want to pay MS one dime for a kernel...so he began to write one himself [10:13] sdogi: btw., why isn't xine much slower, as it always uses runtime detection? [10:13] as all the libs do...:) [10:14] http://moba.linuxfaqs.de/mplayer_1.0cvs_i386.deb < how do i install it? [10:14] dpkg -i [10:14] KaiL: it is [10:14] KaiL: it is a lot slower [10:14] sdogi: because it has no framedrop option [10:15] well i can nicely run mplayer without framedrop on my laptop [10:15] if you disable that on mplayer, there's no relevant diff [10:15] and xine not? [10:15] and what is with the dependencys? [10:15] but with xine, there are those post processing things and stuff like that i have to disable and it wouldn't still be good as mplayer [10:16] Boogieman: apt-get -f install === nydust [~oystein@a217-118-56-227.bluecom.no] has joined #kubuntu === pilo [~Veoco@p5482BC3F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu [10:16] also mplayer starts instantly but xine takes a lot time, which is minor issue for me though [10:16] KaiL help me [10:16] ? [10:17] how do i install it? [10:17] try mc === brake [~espen@217-156-227.0101.adsl.tele2.no] has joined #kubuntu [10:17] apt-get install mc [10:17] run it [10:17] it's a bit dirty, but works: dpkg -i mplayer_1.0cvs_i386.deb; apt-get -f install [10:17] step into the package [10:17] goto the 'install' option [10:17] (file) [10:17] and press enter [10:18] why do i get this error: i get an error when i do an dist-upgrade .. kde-libs its trying to overwrite som files, but it cant do it [10:18] nydust: sudo "dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_3.4.0-0ubuntu3.1_all.deb" === flames [~flames@caracas-1218.adsl.interware.hu] has left #kubuntu ["Konversation] [10:18] KaiL: you've had that in your cache, didn't you? :p [10:18] prototyp: I made a user command [10:19] after typing that 10 times [10:19] KaiL: those quotes are unnecessary. [10:19] a user command... wow === pilo [~Veoco@p5482BC3F.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #kubuntu [] [10:19] E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root? KaiL [10:19] thanks [10:19] Boogieman: type sudo in front of it [10:19] Choubaka: but they make that endless line a bit more readable === brake [~espen@217-156-227.0101.adsl.tele2.no] has left #kubuntu ["Forlater] [10:19] i have done it with sudo [10:20] second sudo after the ; [10:20] so: [10:20] sudo dpkg -i mplayer_1.0cvs_i386.deb; sudo apt-get -f install [10:20] ..or really "" this time :) [10:20] where is the mysq lib for apache2? [10:21] nydust: uhm? [10:21] libapache2-mod-auth-mysql not I guess.... [10:21] nydust, the mysql module works with apache2...just the php does not [10:22] nydust, i have no idea what is wrong with PHP...it does not work on win98 either even with a different webserver [10:22] nydust, it was working on gentoo very well [10:23] cause i am trying to install mamboserver but it says that mysql is unavaiabel, but mysql-server and client are installed [10:23] whiskers, php is working here [10:23] nydust, how did you get it working [10:24] apt-get install libapache2-mod-php4 [10:24] nydust, i got apt-get apache2-mfm-prefork-dev and libapache2-mod-php4 and php4-dev and php4-mysql and php4-pear [10:24] nydust, and uh...php does not work here [10:24] nydust, how did you get it working [10:25] whiskers, just that [10:25] nydust, well the shit does not work here [10:25] and i did an apt-get install php4 [10:26] try that [10:26] nydust, nor does it work on win98 with xiopen web server either [10:26] do you have apache2-common [10:26] nydust, let me see [10:27] nydust, yes i have apache2common [10:27] strange [10:27] try to reinstall it [10:27] nydust, apache2 works and it handles mysql ok...but php doesn't work worth a damn [10:28] and i need it for testing DBMASTER [10:28] whiskers, strange, cause here php work and not mysql [10:28] nydust, well there are still some problems with the kernel and ubuntu [10:36] nydust, maybe there is another free webserver we can try on ubuntu instead of apache [10:36] nydust, personally i think there is something wrong with php4...it seems to not be multithreaded or something === Boogieman [~Slow-Moti@p548DC3AE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu [10:37] nydust, beats the hell out of me === segfault [~segfault@pc-16-79-104-200.cm.vtr.net] has joined #kubuntu [10:38] why is every mplayer packet broken? === segfault is now known as segfault2k [10:38] don't care, compile it [10:40] but will there be an update on the apt-get sources with working packets? [10:40] someday? [10:41] the steps are -> get the source -> get essential codecs -> get fonts if you care about subtitles -> get skin or skins... unpack codecs to /usr/local/lib/codecs/ unpack fonts to /usr/local/share/mplayer/fonts unpack default skin to /usr/local/share/mplayer/Skin/default.. unpack mplayer source, write ./configure --enable-gui ..check what it tells you about what codecs are enabled and what not, if you care about something install it, if you don [10:41] and after that you are done [10:41] also i think that marillat mplayer thingy worked [10:41] but i like to compile it anyway [10:42] mplayers works better if it's compiled [10:42] and the things i told you are basically full howto, you can read about that from mplayersourcedir/README possibly.. most of the stuff at least [10:42] it is too simple to compile it [10:43] i have marillat in my sources file but it dosent appear in kynaptic [10:43] nydust, i am just going to go compile the whole thing from scratch and see if i can get it working [10:45] nydust, i think there is a serious problem with libc6 [10:46] nydust, apparently there is a libc6.1 that makes use of some database stuff....but i only see the sourcecode for Intel64bit architecture and alpha architecture [10:46] nydust, this is a serious fuck-up by the free software community [10:47] aye, someone's going to get fired over this one for sure :) === Blissex [~Blissex@82-69-39-138.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has left #KUbuntu ["Konversation] [10:50] nydust, because not everybody can afford the very expensive Intel 64 chip...nor the very expensive alpha chip [10:50] hm why does nothing with marillat in the name in kynaptic? === lamp [~thomas@dsl-084-056-156-141.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu [10:53] lol gdh === Cowlike [~jrk@24-148-87-160.hnc-bsr1.chi-hnc.il.cable.rcn.com] has joined #kubuntu === spiral [~spiral@lafilaire-4-82-224-249-43.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu === theD3viL [~geek@BSN-77-90-27.dsl.siol.net] has joined #kubuntu === korbin [~korbin@81-202-232-228.user.ono.com] has joined #kubuntu === chavo [~chavo@37.sub-166-153-50.myvzw.com] has joined #kubuntu === yannux [~yannux@lns-vlq-39f-81-56-131-197.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu [11:12] Hye eveyrbody === amichai [~amichai@bzq-84-108-2-193.cablep.bezeqint.net] has joined #kubuntu [11:14] can someone tell me how i can get the menu transparent? [11:15] amichai: you can use kde control center to do so [11:15] I've got a little problem with konqueror [11:15] background color are setup to be white [11:16] but every time I open a new directory , it's blakc ;:s [11:16] randabis: yeah i know, u just dont remember where. i managed to make my bar transparent [11:20] hmm, I can't seem to find where you do that either [11:20] but I know it can be done...my k menu is using transparency [11:26] i like these black themes where everything uses transparency === segfault2k upgrading to breezy [11:29] how is the full codename? [11:29] badgeR? [11:29] bonne nuit tlm [11:35] the only thing i can think of is for glom to try to make use of hk_classes so all that other shit doesn't have to be rebuilt === ztonzy [~ztonzy@ztonzy.artist.blender] has joined #kubuntu [11:36] yeah; breezy badger [11:36] :D [11:36] It's not ready for any kind of real usage though from what I understand [11:37] randabis, well when they get an installable copy...i will be glad to make an extra partition to check it out [11:38] randabis, i still have 30gigs left === rzei [~koivunej@85-194-198-190.wlannet.com] has joined #kubuntu [11:38] are devs aware that there are problems upgrading to the latest stable kdelibs? [11:39] pkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4%3a3.4.0-0ubuntu3.1_all.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite `/usr/share/icons/default.kde', which is also in package knetworkconf [11:39] rzei: it is in the bugzilla [11:39] yeah, there's a work around for that [11:39] randabis, the problem seems to be that libc6.1 requires libdb4.2-dev and this destroys nearly everything gnome is built on...since gnome seems to heavily depend on libdb3-dev [11:39] randabis: do i need to remove knetworkconf? [11:39] rzei: dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4%3a3.4.0-0ubuntu3.1_all.deb [11:40] Anlar: oh ofc, thanks [11:40] randabis, so it is one hell of a problem [11:40] restarting session.. [11:42] randabis, to see how serious it is...just do dpkg -i libdb4.2-dev but dont install === darwinist [~darwinist@82-168-225-198-bbxl.xdsl.tiscali.nl] has joined #kubuntu [11:42] whiskers again just whining because he is a skilless piece of shit it seems :) [11:43] heh [11:43] Anlar, really Anlar..i am not whining...i am stating facts...non-emotioanlly....you are the one with some kind of defect [11:43] Anlar, and your gutter language is indicative of your character [11:45] Anlar, i would not doubt if you were really some type of capitalist pig === jsubl2 [~jsubl2@209.144.23.220] has joined #kubuntu [11:46] lol [11:48] hi peeps, peace === CellarDoor [~CellarDoo@d211-31-240-222.dsl.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #kubuntu === segfault2k [~segfault@pc-16-79-104-200.cm.vtr.net] has joined #kubuntu