[12:00] <Jeezis> ircbot_: inprocomm mini-pci, its built in to my laptop
[12:00] <djm62> icebalm: your instructions are taken, and thoroughly disregarded
[12:00] <ircbot_> fejaor: bad idea to install one version of firefox over another
[12:00] <djm62> icebalm: my money goes where I want
[12:00] <ircbot_> fejaor: apt-get remove firefox
[12:00] <Anlar> fejaor: bug fixes are being backported, don't look at the version numbers.
[12:00] <ircbot_> fejaor: apt-get remove mozilla-firefox (maybe?)
[12:00] <djm62> icebalm: and I certainly wouldn't tell you how to spend yours
[12:00] <FlyingSquirrel32> Does anyone know of a good Open Source alternative for Mind Mapper?
[12:01] <icebalm> djm62: I'm not telling you what to do, if you don't want to spend the extra $10 to buy a real soundcard and waste your time with software kludges that's up to you
[12:01] <ircbot_> Jeezis: you check the forums?  i've heard of that problem before but i don't recall the fix
[12:01] <fejaor> I can't remove it cause I don't have "enough privileges" (only user!!!)
[12:01] <Marble2> put sudo before the command
[12:01] <Jeezis> ircbot_: i've searched ubuntu.com
[12:01] <Marble2> you need root access to do that
[12:02] <ircbot_> icebalm: what about those of us who can't quite figure out to install said sound card in a freaking lappy?  that's when the "software kludges" look pretty damn good
[12:02] <FlyingSquirrel32> I'm trying to get a local Realator to try linux, but uses Mind mapper heavily
[12:02] <Marble2> fejaor: I compiled 1.0.3 from source and copied it over the 1.0.2 install from the ubuntu repositories, and my stuff is working fine
[12:02] <crimsun> wliu: sec
[12:02] <djm62> FlyingSquirrel32: freemind.sf.net if you don't mind java
[12:03] <icebalm> ircbot_: many laptops have sound chipsets which support multiple streams, if yours dont then by all means, waste your time
[12:03] <FlyingSquirrel32> thanks, I'll check it out.
[12:03] <xorg> I'm having trouble getting my new xorg.conf read after reboot?
[12:03] <ircbot_> icebalm: waste my time?  you have a mighty big opinion there
[12:03] <icebalm> ircbot_: I however would posit that it wouldn't (shouldn't?) be a big deal on a laptop
[12:03] <Amplificator> Where is the settings for "Keyboard Shortcuts" saved? I can't disable the keysa!
[12:04] <fejaor> how did you do that Marble2??
[12:04] <icebalm> ircbot_: yes, I do. Basically it goes like this: 1. buy proper computer and spend extra $10 or 2. waste time that's worth way more than $10 to get the same result
[12:04] <ircbot_> i like having multiple sounds on my lappy... and i've found it to be a fix...
[12:04] <gordonjcp> evening all
[12:04] <ircbot_> icebalm: took me all of 20 minutes to set up esd
[12:05] <ircbot_> icebalm: and i got a lappy that has great pretty much everything except a decent sound card.  so you can take your opinion and find a place to put it.
[12:05] <icebalm> ircbot_: 20 minutes I never had to waste
[12:05] <fejaor> I've downloaded the version 1.0.3 but can't installed correctly
[12:05] <Marble2> compiled it in a seperate directory, then copied it over to /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox
[12:05] <ircbot_> anyways... i'm out.
[12:06] <djm62> 20 minutes of my time is worth <$5
[12:06] <fejaor> I can't download win32 codecs....cant find it on synaptic....help!!
[12:07] <icebalm> djm62: no comment
[12:07] <Marble2> fejaor: PM me
[12:07] <djm62> fejaor: did you go through the RestrictedFormats section of the wiki?
[12:08] <crimsun> wliu: you have multiple sound cards?
[12:09] <wliu> crimsun: no, just the one built into the motherboard
[12:09] <xorg> hello folks; I've just installed, I'm stuck with screen resolution  640x480, I've tried using the GUI for changing it but I am only given the choice of 640x480? I've tried editing my xorg.conf with a text editor, my changes don't take affect after reboot?
[12:09] <crimsun> why are you using hw:1,0 in your dmixer definition, then?
[12:10] <CrazyNorman> I'm running Hoary with a GeForce FX 5700LE 256mb with the binary drivers installed.  I enabled composite rendering using a tutorial in the forums.  Things feel somewhat slow, and random parts of the screen get corrupted.  Any idea what could be wrong, because other people had tried it and said it worked.
[12:10] <Anlar> xorg: you need to add the modelines in your xorg.conf to the Monitor section.
[12:10] <pharaonic_anubis> Is there a way to make chown apply the new ownership to the directory and all of its subdirectories?
[12:10] <Edgan> fejaor: your display working the way you want now?
[12:10] <xorg> Anlar: I dont understand could you please explain more?
[12:11] <crimsun> wliu: cat /proc/asound/cards   -> #flood
[12:11] <p2og> how can I change settings so that when I bring a window close to another they "snap" together
[12:11] <Edgan> fejaor: as for win32 codecs, they are in hoary-extras, an unoffical ubuntu repo
[12:12] <GammaRay> xorg: an easier way is to run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[12:13] <Edgan> GammaRay: What exactly does that do?
[12:13] <nickrud> pharaonic_anubis, -R
[12:13] <Anlar> gammaray: the autoprobe doesn't unfortunately seem to work for all the monitors..
[12:13] <nickrud> pharaonic_anubis, man chown
[12:14] <Anlar> gammaray: suggests for instance to me to use 10 000 Hz refresh rate
[12:14] <nickrud> man pages are good if all you need is a command switch :)
[12:14] <FlyingSquirrel32> having trouble installing java. Is there a repository you recommend?
[12:14] <GammaRay> Anlar: it allows you to manually select resolutions and virt refresh etc also
[12:14] <tbird> FlyingSquirrel32, http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-23592.html
[12:14] <pharaonic_anubis> nickrud, yah I manned it... didn't see the -R though. Accept my apologies for my utter ignorance.
[12:15] <Anlar> gammaray: nice to know.
[12:15] <karljp> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java15
[12:15] <hans_> is there a driver for an ati 9700 on ubuntu?
[12:15] <karljp> the bottom section (ignore the top half)
[12:15] <GammaRay> Edgan: it basically leads you through editing xorg.conf but w/ a curses wizard
[12:15] <Edgan> GammaRay: ah
[12:15] <GammaRay> and defaults
[12:15] <GammaRay> it has defaults (-;
[12:16] <nickrud> pharaonic_anubis, I'm not about to estimate how many times that's happened to me :/
[12:18] <nickrud> FlyingSquirrel32, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java  I like method three.
[12:18] <^vir^> hi
[12:19] <karljp> method 3 is very similar to the java1.5 wiki page
[12:19] <^vir^> i've just installed enlightenment & am wondering how i would change my box to use enlightenment instead
[12:19] <nickrud> i'ts nice because you can easily remove it if you want
[12:19] <zero[] > anybody here get Warcraft III working with Wine?
[12:19] <GammaRay> you know the top of xorg.conf tells you to type man /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[12:19] <GammaRay> that's nuts
[12:20] <zero[] > i get it to start, but can't select a campaign
[12:20] <karljp> what's nuts about it?
[12:20] <djm62> ^vir^: set the session to enlightenment, and I think it defaults to "previous session" or gives you the option to
[12:20] <karljp> lots of files can be manned
[12:20] <zero[] > and i also have cedega, but can't get it to start with cedega at all
[12:20] <GammaRay> karljp: try it
[12:20] <karljp> whoah
[12:20] <karljp> ok :)
[12:20] <karljp> you win
[12:20] <geargolem> how to remove locked files?
[12:20] <karljp> man xorg.conf works though
[12:20] <GammaRay> I'm sure that's what they mean
[12:21] <nickrud> karljp, then man your driver
[12:21] <^vir^> djm62,  when i did a restart it didn't give me that option like it would do if i had kde installed
[12:21] <karljp> dexconf quirkiness
[12:22] <geargolem> locked file in hoary... how do I remove it?
[12:22] <Amplificator> 
[12:22] <nickrud> geargolem, rm <locked-file>
[12:22] <geargolem> thank you nickrud
[12:23] <djm62> ^vir^: when you log in, you can choose session?
[12:23] <geargolem> how about a directory, nickrud?
[12:23] <^vir^> yeah but enlightenment wasn't listed
[12:23] <nickrud> geargolem, if it's empty, rmdir
[12:23] <geargolem> thank you
[12:23] <nickrud> np
[12:24] <^vir^> default, gnome, failsafe & last session i believe djm62
[12:24] <djm62> ^vir^: oh...you do have it installed, but it's not listed?  :-/
[12:25] <^vir^> i used synaptic to get the packages djm62 so should be installed
[12:26] <tbird> ^vir^ is it enlightenment0.17.0_pre10 ?
[12:26] <n3> hello
[12:27] <tbird> i tried to install that but the howto i found well the links were all wrong so i fixed them then the packages either was not there of were broken
[12:27] <tbird> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20216
[12:28] <^vir^> i think its e16 i tried but enlightenment looks good
[12:28] <djm62> ^vir^: that's strange...I'm not sure what's wrong there
[12:28] <tbird> anyone got e17 working through synaptic
[12:28] <nickrud> lol
[12:29] <nickrud> I do this for stress relief :)
[12:29] <djm62> yeah...168 hours a week, if everyone sticks in a couple, free support can work well
[12:29] <geargolem> Bagisas/Blender heads?  Need to install
[12:30] <nickrud> I'm kinda overboard right now, but I've got some parties to make up for.
[12:31] <hyapadi> does anyone know how to run a command during boot ( everytime )?
[12:31] <n3> anyone want to watch a documentary on rock music?
[12:32] <nickrud> hyapadi, use /etc/init.d/skeleton as a template, and man update-rc.d
[12:32] <Burgundavia> n3, kind of offtopic for here
[12:32] <^vir^> tbird,  seen this? http://soulmachine.net/debian/unstable-20050215/
[12:32] <n3> ok
[12:32] <n3> nevermind
[12:32] <n3> PS: has anyone seen the documentary THE CODE?>
[12:32] <tbird> yeah ^vir^ thats basically what i went by
[12:32] <n3> about linux?
[12:32] <tbird> well they are mentioned in the link i just put up
[12:33] <tbird> i shanged it to point to that
[12:33] <mjr> n3, I have
[12:33] <tbird> but did not work
[12:33] <djm62> geargolem: what's the structure of these heads?
[12:34] <tbird> ^vir^ did you just dl the files from there and install them ?
[12:34] <geargolem> djm62, trying to install bagisas(gui)  for yafray/blender
[12:34] <mjr> n3, there were some weird style choices, but I suppose it conveys the gist of it adequately
[12:34] <djm62> geargolem: ah :)
[12:34] <devscott> anyone have any experience with prolog
[12:34] <djm62> I have blender installed, so that's in universe or multiverse
[12:34] <^vir^> i haven't yet tried tbird i will in a sec i think
[12:35] <mjr> djm62, universe
[12:35] <mjr> djm62, hint: apt-cache policy package tells where it's at
[12:35] <tbird> ^vir^ did not work for me at all hope you have better luck
[12:35] <cens0red> hey does ubuntu auto-upgrade? Like, if you begin with 5.04 and and you're constantly downloading updates ... will you eventually end up with a 5.05?
[12:36] <n3> Cool
[12:36] <n3> u seen it
[12:36] <mjr> cens0red, there won't be a 5.05, and there are no autoupgrades, but you can do it easily enough
[12:36] <n3> do you know where to buy the DVD?
[12:36] <_foxiness> hi
[12:36] <mjr> n3, sorry, no
[12:36] <^vir^> cens0red, the release builds go by dates
[12:36] <n3> ok
[12:36] <n3> did you ftp it too?
[12:36] <djm62> bagisas...looks like it isn't in there
[12:37] <mjr> n3, watched it on T, plus my SO got a DVD for free from organizing a conference here
[12:37] <Burgundavia> cens0red, there is no 5.05. The next version is 5.10
[12:37] <cens0red> ^vir^ aah. 5.05 = April 2005?
[12:37] <mjr> on TV, that is
[12:37] <cens0red> err May 2005?
[12:37] <yoner> Ubuntu is fantastic! I just booted the live x86 and am now running the PPC. Does anyone know whether sleep works on PowerBook systems?
[12:37] <n3> HEY!
[12:37] <Burgundavia> cens0red, and they are working on tool to allow it easily for 5.10
[12:37] <Burgundavia> cens0red, current stable is 5.04
[12:37] <n3> you have the DVD of the CODE - LINUX?
[12:37] <Burgundavia> cens0red, but otherwise you are right
[12:37] <djm62> yoner: not all...give it a try
[12:37] <^vir^> next release is in oct i think
[12:38] <mjr> n3, yep
[12:38] <n3> COOL
[12:38] <n3> i wish
[12:38] <n3> i could get the stuff
[12:38] <djm62> n3: let the caps relax, man
[12:38] <n3> but dont even have a credit card or know where to start
[12:38] <n3> so downloaded it from ftp
[12:38] <ana> can anyone help me, ive installed firestarter to share my connection but the host doesnt connect, what is the gateway that i should put in the host
[12:38] <yoner> Thanks. This is by far the best live CD I have seen.
[12:38] <_foxiness> after i installed ubuntu i can not than access my fedora "am try to change (hd0,n) and try grub-install" any point here !
[12:39] <n3> I got UBUNTU CDs LIVE and Full Install for free from the science center here
[12:39] <geargolem> djm62 have to build from source.  bagisas= gui for yafray
[12:39] <kkamrani> hey eveyrone, i'm trying to get samba to share some of the folders on my ubuntu computer with my windows machines however after following the instructions on the wiki.ubuntulinux.org page i'm still at a loss. i've even reset my SMBpasswd... but no dice. anyone have any pointers?
[12:40] <vessuvius81> kkamranai- www.samba.org
[12:41] <vessuvius81> Has anyone here ever used Gentoo?
[12:41] <guardian653> sure have
[12:41] <kkamrani> vessuvius81, been there -- i got everything setup and configured /etc/samba/smb.conf
[12:41] <vessuvius81> Any incites about advantages/disadvantages over Ubuntu?
[12:41] <_foxiness> if i select auto then will ubuntu installer will over write /boot partition for fc3 on the same hd ?
[12:41] <vessuvius81> kkamrani, can you ping the server from your client?
[12:41] <occy> hmmm
[12:41] <Burgundavia> vessuvius81, different target audience
[12:42] <kkamrani> yes i can, vessuvius81
[12:42] <djm62> geargolem: do you know the dependencies?
[12:42] <geargolem> yes, have them
[12:42] <occy> Ubuntu's Firefox doesn't have the developer stuff in it.
[12:42] <vessuvius81> how are you trying to map the share?
[12:42] <xor1> hello Anlar that advice work like a charm thank you
[12:42] <Anlar> :)
[12:42] <yoner> Does anyone have experience with sleeping a PowerBook system from the live Ubuntu CD? I may well be clueless, but I don't see any options in the Gnome GUI
[12:42] <xor1> thanks mate
[12:42] <kkamrani> but the shares dont show up under the windows network, and when i try to load up \\ubuntu (the name of my ubuntu machine) windows says the host was not found
[12:43] <geargolem> djm62, PIL, PyXML, Python(2.4)
[12:43] <vessuvius81> kkamrani, dns not working?
[12:43] <occy> anyone here know how I can get the web developer extention working with Ubuntu?
[12:43] <guardian653> vessuvius81, compile time can be an issue, but you can do almost anything you want for packages
[12:43] <kkamrani> vessuvius81, ahhh maybe, how can i tell if it is working
[12:43] <djm62> geargolem: so, you're ok with the installation? (best to install to /usr/local)
[12:43] <_foxiness> did u c my text plz
[12:43] <vessuvius81> nslookup ubuntu
[12:43] <kkamrani> okay
[12:43] <geargolem> djm62, no.  having no luck whatsoever
[12:44] <djm62> geargolem: what's up?
[12:44] <kkamrani> kkamrani@ubuntu:~$ nslookup ubuntu
[12:44] <kkamrani> Server:         192.168.0.1
[12:44] <kkamrani> Address:        192.168.0.1#53
[12:44] <kkamrani> ** server can't find ubuntu: NXDOMAIN
[12:44] <kkamrani> kkamrani@ubuntu:~$
[12:44] <occy>  The 'View Style Information' feature requires a DOM  Inspector enabled build.
[12:44] <kkamrani> 192.168.0.1 is my router/dhcp server
[12:44] <occy> http://chrispederick.com/work/firefox/webdeveloper/documentation/faq/
[12:44] <geargolem> djm62  getting half-done installation directions.  not sure what needs to be done
[12:44] <Kartagis> try ubuntu.com or ubuntulinux.org
[12:45] <_foxiness> if i select auto then will ubuntu installer will over write /boot partition for fc3 on the same hd ?
[12:45] <vessuvius81> ok, well I don't want to go completely though setting up bind... so... does your samba machine have a static ip?
[12:45] <occy> anyone know how I can get the DOM Inspector stuff into Ubuntu's Firefox?
[12:45] <vessuvius81> or a dynamic one?
[12:45] <_foxiness> hi all
[12:45] <Kartagis> kkamrani: try ubuntu.com or ubuntulinux.org
[12:45] <kkamrani> ahh i knew i have to setup BIND
[12:45] <ana> does anyone know how to share connection with firestarter
[12:45] <kkamrani> it has a static ip, vessuvius81
[12:46] <vessuvius81> well then you should be able to reach it with its ip address instead of the name
[12:46] <djm62> geargolem: what exactly are you doing, and what exactly is the error?
[12:46] <occy> nm
[12:46] <occy> mozilla-firefox-dom-inspector
[12:46] <occy> heh
[12:46] <_foxiness> after i installed ubuntu i can not than access my fedora "am try to change (hd0,n) and try grub-install" any point here !
[12:47] <geargolem> djm62  must set paths...   what paths?  to where?  why?
[12:47] <vessuvius81> kkamrani, first setup a completely open shared directory... readable, browseable, writeable, the whole works
[12:47] <occy> sweet, I love it when I answer my own question.
[12:47] <ana> pleeeaassseee...
[12:47] <ana> somebody help me shatre my connection
[12:47] <kkamrani> i can VNC and SSH/Telnet into it using the static IP but not the hostname...
[12:47] <karljp> anyone know someting that's as easy to use as the alarm clock and countdown timer on my mobile phone?
[12:47] <kkamrani> okay, vessuvius81 i'll do that
[12:48] <vessuvius81> also, make sure in your smb.conf, the WORKGROUP is set to the same workgroup or domain that your windows machine has set
[12:48] <_foxiness> ana, there are wizerd come with it
[12:48] <vessuvius81> that would be the first thing to check
[12:48] <karljp> I want to do something fairly obnoxious, and I don't really care what it is, very very easily, at a certain time, or in a certain time.
[12:48] <kkamrani> vessuvius81, it's the exact same workgroup - MSHome
[12:48] <_foxiness> did u c my text plz
[12:48] <vessuvius81> ok
[12:48] <kkamrani> vessuvius81, i created a completely open share
[12:48] <ana> _foxiness,  i know, the problem is i dont know the gateway i should put in on the other pc
[12:49] <ana> its connected through a crossover cable
[12:49] <vessuvius81> ok, so see if you can map it
[12:49] <vessuvius81> using the IP
[12:49] <djm62> geargolem: does the program run for you?
[12:49] <_foxiness> ana is it dhcp
[12:49] <geargolem> no, djm62,  unsure of how to set up
[12:49] <vessuvius81> net use X: //192.168.0.2/sharename
[12:49] <vessuvius81> or however
[12:49] <kkamrani> cant find 192.168.0.2
[12:50] <kkamrani> 192.168.0.2 is the static ip for my ubuntu box
[12:50] <vessuvius81> is that your samba server's address?
[12:50] <vessuvius81> ok
[12:50] <vessuvius81> and you can ping it?
[12:50] <kkamrani> yes
[12:50] <djm62> geargolem: if you've tar -xzvf'ed it , cd to the new directory and try typing ./Bagisas.py
[12:50] <vessuvius81> make sure you have samba running then
[12:50] <kkamrani> i'm vnc'd into it
[12:50] <geargolem> ok djm62
[12:50] <kkamrani> okay lemme do a ps -A to see if Samba is running
[12:50] <yoner> FYI, for anyone running an olde G3 Pismo. It looks like sleep is not supported, as there's no "suspend" option active on the battery panel
[12:51] <ana> _foxiness, the pc that is connected to the internet has 2 netcards eth0 that is the adsl pppoe modem and eth1 which is the lan
[12:51] <vessuvius81> somewhere in sbin I think is samba... do a samba restart
[12:51] <EddieX> Anyone who is using sdl here(programming)?
[12:51] <djm62> yoner: that may be different between the liveCD and installed distro
[12:51] <ana> eth1 is hooked to a pentium which i set up as ip 192.168.0.3
[12:51] <ana> submask255.255.255.0
[12:51] <geargolem>   File "./Bagisas.py", line 31, in ?
[12:51] <geargolem>     import profile
[12:51] <geargolem>   djm62
[12:51] <ana> but i dont know the gateway
[12:52] <vessuvius81> probably 192.168.0.1
[12:52] <kkamrani> hrmm when i did a ps -A samba was not running that could be it
[12:52] <marska> Hello.. I was wondering if anyone knew if Mozilla has a TEXT ONLY MODE wherein all pictures and graphics are disabled?
[12:52] <dr_willis> that would be my guess also vessuvius81
[12:52] <yoner> Thanks djm62. It's not my machine, so I dare not install it. The user would go mad ;-)
[12:52] <djm62> geargolem: cool...I'm getting that problem too
[12:52] <kkamrani> i'll feeel really dumb if that's the case!
[12:52] <vessuvius81> happens to us all :)
[12:53] <geargolem> how is that cool, djm62?  :P
[12:53] <kkamrani> how do you start samba, vessuvius81?
[12:53] <vessuvius81> hmmm
[12:53] <vessuvius81> search for samba
[12:53] <vessuvius81> might be in usr/bin
[12:53] <_foxiness> ana, u can change it from auto to static one than give it a no. u want
[12:53] <djm62> geargolem: because I'm searching for the solution
[12:54] <yoner> Is anyone else seeing time display issues with the menubar clock on the live CD? I've seen this on both PPC and x86
[12:54] <geargolem> ok, djm62.  where did you tar bagisas?
[12:54] <ringmauer> how to open a program thats not in the applications list?
[12:55] <RuKK> ringmauer, applications>run application>app name>enter
[12:55] <RuKK> :)
[12:55] <qkslvrwolf_> you gotta search for it and then run the executable from console
[12:55] <djm62> geargolem: Desktop, where it was downloaded.  I'd probably end up putting it in $HOME and adding that directory to the end of my $PATH
[12:55] <nydust> i have mysql installed but mambo install cant ind it
[12:55] <nydust> ind=find
[12:55] <vessuvius81> kk, also do testparm /etc/samba/smb.conf
[12:55] <vessuvius81> makes sure that works
[12:56] <ringmauer> Rukk, ive installed libpoker 3d in synaptic ,in which folder is in installed then?
[12:56] <emokid> i just now got banned from #debian just because i said that ubuntu is greater than debian!!!
[12:56] <kkamrani> kkamrani@ubuntu:/usr/bin$ smbstatus
[12:56] <kkamrani> sessionid.tdb not initialised
[12:56] <kkamrani> /var/run/samba/connections.tdb not initialised
[12:56] <kkamrani> This is normal if an SMB client has never connected to your server.
[12:56] <kkamrani> /var/run/samba/locking.tdb not initialised
[12:56] <kkamrani> This is normal if an SMB client has never connected to your server.
[12:56] <kkamrani> kkamrani@ubuntu:/usr/bin$
[12:56] <RuKK> ringmauer, search for libpoker
[12:57] <RuKK> or just try running libpoker
[12:57] <djm62> emokid: that sort of thing isn't recommended in the most liberal forums, let alone #debian
[12:57] <kkamrani> kkamrani@ubuntu:/usr/bin$ testparm
[12:57] <kkamrani> Load smb config files from /etc/samba/smb.conf
[12:57] <kkamrani> Processing section "[homes] "
[12:57] <kkamrani> Processing section "[printers] "
[12:57] <kkamrani> Processing section "[print$] "
[12:57] <kkamrani> Processing section "[WWW] "
[12:57] <kkamrani> Processing section "[Home] "
[12:57] <kkamrani> Loaded services file OK.
[12:57] <kkamrani> Server role: ROLE_STANDALONE
[12:57] <kkamrani> Press enter to see a dump of your service definitions
[12:57] <kkamrani> everythign sems to work
[12:57] <Amaranth> ah!!
[12:57] <vessuvius81> ok, so your smb.conf is right
[12:57] <Amaranth> Please don't do that again.
[12:57] <RuKK> emokid, emo sucks so bad.. even pop is better.
[12:57] <vessuvius81> yeah, pvt me if you want to show taht stuff, kk
[12:58] <emokid> can some1 help me out with my nat confing
[12:58] <kkamrani> i dont see anything in /usr/bin that would restart smb
[12:58] <RuKK> ;)
[12:58] <cens0red> so does ubuntu aim at being the "windows killer"? Or just a bloody good desktop linux?
[12:58] <emokid> ive opened natd.conf how co i close ports
[12:58] <kkamrani> sorry, i didnt know it would piss some people off... my bad
[12:58] <vessuvius81> kk, sudo /etc/init.d/samba restart
[12:58] <djm62> cens0red: what would it mean to be the "windows killer"?
[12:58] <Marble2> Is there a good standalone application that can mass edit id3 tags (getting album info from freedb would be a plus too...)
[12:58] <kkamrani> okay did the samba restart
[12:59] <djm62> cens0red: I think it just aims to be what it is well
[12:59] <kkamrani> let's see if it works!
[12:59] <Simian> where can i find the .vimrc file
[12:59] <yoner> Thanks to all in this group. Going back to the x86 box before the Mac user freaks!
[12:59] <vessuvius81> smbclient -L
[12:59] <djm62> :)
[12:59] <emokid> ive opened natd.conf how co i close ports
[12:59] <nickrud> cens0red, I don't care where they think they're going, it WORKS FOR ME :)
[12:59] <kkamrani> well    well wellm
[12:59] <kkamrani> vessuvius81, you are my hero
[12:59] <kkamrani> thanks so much!
[12:59] <djm62> lot of PPC users about these days
[12:59] <kkamrani> it works!
[12:59] <geargolem> djm62 alternative would be to get yafray gui for win and wine it.
[12:59] <vessuvius81> good :)
[01:00] <vessuvius81> everytime you change smb.conf, be sure to restart
[01:00] <kkamrani> i guess samba needed a restart after i configed it
[01:00] <vessuvius81> ya
[01:00] <kkamrani> haha alright
[01:00] <kkamrani> thanks again
[01:00] <karljp> I certainly hope it's not meant to be a windows killer
[01:00] <vessuvius81> no prob
[01:00] <kkamrani> much appreciate you help
[01:00] <karljp> windows killer would look and feel like windows, but be free.
[01:00] <dr_willis> why have somthing as pathic as windows. :P
[01:00] <nickrud> kde (cough, cough)
[01:00] <djm62> geargolem: sub-optimal...you could try on the foryms of the bagisas site and ask if anyone's using on ubuntu
[01:00] <geargolem> have, djm62.  no luck
[01:01] <karljp> nick: so kubuntut might, but ubuntu isn't :)
[01:01] <vessuvius81> I just switched to linux about a month ago... still have to use windows for some tasks, but I now absolutely hate the windows interface
[01:01] <emokid> ive opened natd.conf how co i close ports
[01:01] <nickrud> you know, I hope that old saw about say it, it happens, is false
[01:01] <Simian> where can i find the .vimrc file
[01:01] <XTCboarder> blah
[01:01] <djm62> d'oh
[01:02] <vessuvius81> Simiana..
[01:02] <vessuvius81> sudo updatedb
[01:02] <vessuvius81> locate .vimrc
[01:02] <_foxiness> can any one tell me how can i fix broken boot "other linux os with ubuntu" can not boot after install ubuntu
[01:02] <emokid> can i use blackbox with ubuntu? how do install it?
[01:02] <Simian> thanks but i tried that and it returned nothing
[01:02] <Simian> does that mean that i don't have one
[01:02] <karljp> man vim; /vimrc
[01:02] <karljp> so try /usr/share/vim/vimrc for the default
[01:03] <Simian> thanks :)
[01:03] <emokid> i keep on forgetting how to make an user
[01:03] <emokid> adduser?
[01:03] <vessuvius81> so back to gentoo... advantages, disadvantages?
[01:03] <Resonant> emokid, exactly!
[01:03] <emokid> thanks
[01:04] <Resonant> if you want to know the other required options, type man adduser
[01:04] <Resonant> Some are very useful.
[01:04] <emokid> whats man
[01:04] <vessuvius81> manual
[01:04] <vessuvius81> like.. help
[01:04] <emokid> oh
[01:04] <Resonant> Man shows manual pages for various commands
[01:04] <emokid> yea
[01:04] <vessuvius81> it helps a lot
[01:04] <vessuvius81> sometimes :)
[01:04] <Resonant> e.g., man bash
[01:04] <nickrud> emokid, you should use Systemj->Admin->Users & Groups
[01:04] <emokid> is there some step by step guide for ubuntu?
[01:04] <Resonant> or man apt-get
[01:04] <emokid> like basic commands
[01:04] <djm62> gentoo takes more time, but seems to have a certain, specific breed of very satisfied users
[01:04] <dr_willis> ubuntuguide.org is handy.
[01:04] <Resonant> Listen to nickrud, emokid
[01:04] <vessuvius81> emokid, ubuntuguide.org
[01:04] <emokid> i see
[01:04] <_foxiness> all my doc and setting on old "distro" is on /root now am on /home/userxxx what i should not to cp from old one to this new one ?
[01:05] <vessuvius81> also, you can always just google ubuntu and your problem
[01:05] <vessuvius81> and it will generally come up
[01:05] <nickrud> luuv google
[01:05] <nickrud> on a fast net connection, anyway
[01:05] <emokid> i see
[01:05] <vessuvius81> except sometime the answers you get won't work ;-)
[01:05] <nickrud> lol
[01:06] <vessuvius81> has anyone successfully gotten juicer to rip to mp3?
[01:06] <emokid> im not very advanced in linux
[01:06] <emokid> so i assume i wont have much troubles since i cant really break it so hard
[01:06] <nickrud> emokid, that's ok, that's where we all started :)
[01:06] <vessuvius81> you can definitely break it :)
[01:06] <nickrud> but it's only software, so, hey.
[01:06] <emokid> i ordered 250 ubuntu cds so i could spread them to my friends
[01:06] <emokid> have u done it 2?
[01:07] <vessuvius81> I ordered 5
[01:07] <nickrud> I got 10, left nine at the library, all gone in 2 hours
[01:07] <mjr> 250? You have a lot of friends...
[01:07] <chx_> Welcome. When I try to install ftp-ssl, it wants to remove ubuntu-base ... what the HECK?
[01:07] <emokid> ill give them to friends, leave some at libraries and stuff
[01:07] <emokid> ill make sure ubuntu will spread in lithuania!
[01:07] <dazed> lol
[01:08] <Marble2> when will hoary cd's be out?
[01:08] <Marble2> i ordered 10 more x86 cds
[01:08] <nickrud> Marble2, give them 45 days
[01:08] <Marble2> okay, that's not so bad
[01:09] <vessuvius81> anyone on mp3's in sound juicer? I get "Reason: Could not create GStreamer encover ((null))
[01:09] <vessuvius81> installed lame and liblame
[01:09] <vessuvius81> and did the registering
[01:09] <djm62> vessuvius81: gstreamer0.8-lame ?
[01:09] <vessuvius81> ya
[01:09] <yoner> Anyone know how Ubuntu can afford to ship free CDs? Have they been overwhelmed with requests?
[01:10] <karljp> shipping free cds is probably as cheap or cheaper than bandwidth charges :)
[01:10] <karljp> mailing a cd doesn't cost much :)
[01:10] <Bazzi> yoner I think one of the richest men on the world is behind canonical
[01:10] <vessuvius81> gstreamer0.8-lame_0.8.2-2_i386.deb
[01:10] <Bazzi> "rumors say..."
[01:10] <yoner> karljp, you've got a point there...
[01:10] <nickrud> karljp, they'll ship you 250 free if you ask :)
[01:11] <yoner> bazzi, maybe it's Bill!
[01:11] <nickrud> that can't be that cheap, even from switzerland
[01:11] <emokid> i havent got those cds yet
[01:11] <emokid> i ordered them about month ago
[01:11] <emokid> and still nothing
[01:11] <emokid> but i still hope
[01:11] <benplaut> are linux based PDAs worth it?
[01:11] <Anlar> no.
[01:11] <Anlar> Palms are.
[01:12] <djm62> benplaut: you mean zaurus or handhelds.org?
[01:12] <nickrud> I'll be honest, I forgot I'd ordered them, and when they arrived, couldn't figure out who'd be shipping from swiss land ;)
[01:12] <GammaRay> pdas in general are doubtful
[01:12] <emokid> how much did you order nickrud
[01:12] <Anlar> I just had Tungsten T3. very polished, great applications, extremely user friendly and very useful. my memory.
[01:12] <dockane> is there any way to speed up the boot time of ubuntu on scsi systems ? i experience much longer boot time because of a delay after "starting ubuntu...." then on ide systems
[01:12] <nickrud> just 10
[01:12] <dockane> *than
[01:12] <Anlar> dockane: build your own kernel. most likely it does lots of extra probing?
[01:13] <emokid> how can i give user root privilegies
[01:13] <benplaut> djm62: i dunno... i am thinking of getting a PDA and came across some of them. Looking in the ~$300 range
[01:13] <nickrud> took about 1 to 2 months, I can't be sure exactly
[01:13] <emokid> in console
[01:13] <emokid> make root user?
[01:13] <nickrud> emokid, you don't need a root user.
[01:13] <emokid> ee
[01:13] <ircbot_> ah good ol' starbucks wireless
[01:13] <emokid> but how can i give other users root
[01:14] <emokid> so they could install soft i need
[01:14] <Earthen> how do i make a file executable??
[01:14] <ircbot_> supposed to be meeting my ex girlfriend here... she so wants me back now that i have a good job
[01:14] <emokid> Earthen, rename it
[01:14] <dockane> Anlar, any recommandations for manuals, tutorials etc ?
[01:14] <Earthen> isn't there a command i have to use
[01:14] <Anlar> dockane: err.. the kernel ships with very extensive documentation actually.
[01:14] <dr_willis> chmod +x whateverfile
[01:14] <GammaRay> ircbot_: say you are now homeless and the bag lady won't let go of you
[01:15] <ircbot_> haha
[01:15] <ircbot_> i'm homeless with a lappy
[01:15] <benplaut> hmm, thinking torwards a Tungsten C
[01:15] <Earthen> thanks
[01:15] <GammaRay> icebalm: it's been done
[01:15] <dockane> Anlar, i wonder that that these delay does not exist for ide systems where i installed ubuntu. maybe its just a small switch i have to use
[01:15] <yoner> anyone else out there try the live CD on a PPC Mac? It worked great on an old G3 PowerBook (and on this lame PII)
[01:15] <Anlar> C is nice as well but imho it's not as ergonomic
[01:15] <vessuvius81> I got it to work... I had a wrong character in my config :-/
[01:16] <Anlar> dockane: as the adapter has been found it most likely probes all the mtus or something like that..
[01:16] <GammaRay> Anlar: now let me quote you out of context in ##c
[01:17] <dr_willis> :)
[01:18] <Anlar> quoting is always fun. remember though that I own perhaps the copyright for what I have said if it is something original in the context and showing me in bad light with it is illegal. but I like the money.
[01:18] <benplaut> Anlar: I'll keep that in mind... i think i want a keyboard, so it's between that and... (dunno)
[01:18] <Jimmothy> bash: import: command not found
[01:18] <GammaRay> nickrud: don't be lazy like *some* *people*... use a dictionary (-;
[01:18] <benplaut> i think one Clie has a keyboard
[01:18] <Jimmothy> how do i take a screenshot from terminal without import?
[01:18] <ircbot_> why without import?
[01:18] <nickrud> dict awe, see debian :)
[01:18] <Anlar> benplaut: I learnt the screen typing really fast. it's quite handy actually. and T3/5's on-screen-keyboard is quite big actually too if you enable it.
[01:18] <emokid> i doubt if u can do that
[01:19] <nickrud> GammaRay, sorry, bad joke, let me off this time :)
[01:20] <Marble2> Is there a good standalone application that can mass edit id3 tags (getting album info from freedb would be a plus too...)?
[01:20] <busfahrer> Holy cow... is there any drawback to the free CD shipping?
[01:20] <nickrud> Marble2, I use easytag
[01:20] <GammaRay> Marble2: easytag
[01:20] <Marble2> I'm trying easytag right now and I don't like it very well
[01:20] <djm62> busfahrer: none whatsoever
[01:21] <ircbot_> they seemed to not allow ssh connections from here... punks
[01:21] <busfahrer> djm62: Are they crazy? :-D
[01:21] <nickrud> Marble2, the interface kinda sucks, but it does it all
[01:21] <ircbot_> hmmm wonder about vnc
[01:21] <djm62> busfahrer: everyone that looks around at the world, then decides to make things /better/ is crazy
[01:21] <busfahrer> djm62: Since when do they offer this?
[01:22] <djm62> busfahrer: don't know...as long as I've been aware of ubuntu
[01:22] <andrewski> crimsun: mind pasting the list of packages i'd need to downgrade again?  my kernel version was downgraded, but i couldn't start X because the X module was still 7174.
[01:22] <nickrud> busfahrer, since before I knew how to spell it :)
[01:23] <GammaRay> now where is the pda that is thumb operated and has speech recognition..
[01:23] <nickrud> around the corner?
[01:24] <djm62> GammaRay: ipaq running linux
[01:24] <ircbot_> default port for vnc is 5900 right?
[01:25] <nickrud> djm62, really?
[01:25] <djm62> nickrud: have one myself...including X
[01:25] <jacobnix> someone knows how to set external projector to ubuntu PPC
[01:26] <jacobnix> GammaRay: Blind Guardian!!!!!
[01:26] <GammaRay> jacobnix: meh
[01:27] <GammaRay> djm62: so you could navigate to the address book using one thumb and distate the contents of an entry?
[01:27] <GammaRay> s/distate/dictate/
[01:28] <jacobnix> GammaRay:Shadow Gallery, Ayreon, Dream Theater, Queensryche, Timmo Tolki, Avantasia, Trasatlantic,
[01:28] <gordonjcp> can anyone tell me how to burn an ISO to CD in Ubuntu?
[01:28] <GammaRay> can't stand Dream Theater.. Like Queensryche and Avantasia though
[01:29] <gordonjcp> I keep getting the following error:
[01:29] <gordonjcp> Error trying to open /dev/hda exclusively (Device or resource busy)... retrying in 1 second.
[01:29] <GammaRay> indifferent to Trasatlantic and Timmo Tolki
[01:29] <martin> JUST A LITTLE POLL: Do you use Ubuntu or Kubuntu?
[01:29] <ells> is anyone having any issues connecting to LimeWire
[01:29] <GammaRay> never heard or just don't remember the rest (not a good sigh)
[01:30] <jaco^> martin ubuntu of course
[01:30] <dr_willis> martin,  i install ubuntu, then intalled the kubuntu packages.
[01:30] <nickrud> I must be old, I only recognized Queensryche, and can't name a song :)
[01:30] <jacobnix> Gammray:uhmmmm :-),
[01:30] <ircbot_> woohoo got my vnc working
[01:30] <ells> is anyone having any issues connecting to LimeWire
[01:30] <Anlar> ells: ask the fbi
[01:31] <ells> Anlar: the fbi?
[01:31] <andrewski> has anyone else successfully downgraded to nvidia 6111?
[01:31] <dr_willis> 'to limewire' - well isent limewire a gnutella client?
[01:31] <GammaRay> nickrud: I'd have to look to name a song myself
[01:31] <dcraven> Ubuntu here.
[01:31] <jacobnix> Gammaray: Deicide, Dimmu Borgir, The Gathering, Tiamat, Unleashed, Morgoth, Impaled Nazarene,
[01:31] <nickrud> gimme indigo girls
[01:32] <GammaRay> woah.. not a one rings a bell there
[01:32] <dcraven> dr_willis, it's a Gnutella client? I didn't know that.
[01:32] <jacobnix> Gammray: Pink Floyd or Syd Barret
[01:32] <nickrud> martin, ubuntu
[01:32] <dr_willis> dcraven,  Im pretty sure it is - its not useing its own special network
[01:32] <gordonjcp> has anyone ever successfully got help from #ubuntu?
[01:32] <dcraven> dr_willis, yeah you may be right.
[01:32] <GammaRay> jacobnix: always kinda liked pink floyd after the nutty guy left :-P
[01:33] <dcraven> gordonjcp, not like that they haven't.
[01:33] <GammaRay> nickrud: tears for fears here as long as were are cutting against the grain
[01:33] <dr_willis> dcraven,  http://www.gnutelliums.com/
[01:33] <jacobnix> Gammaray: http://jacob.blogsome.com
[01:33] <nickrud> GammaRay, I can live with that, and how about psychedelic furs?
[01:34] <GammaRay> nickrud: great band
[01:34] <nickrud> and, my old standby when I'm feeling down, London Calling
[01:34] <optikal> I just installed 'linux-image-686-smp' package for my Dual P3/600 box.. is it accurate that if I cat /proc/cpuinfo it only says '1' under Processors?
[01:34] <jacobnix> Gammray: which band?
[01:34] <SeeleyUSMC> Does anyone know a way to run Windows programs in Ubuntu?  I want to be able to use Dreamweaver, Flash and Fireworks MX
[01:34] <gordonjcp> well, I can't get this working, and I can't get any sense from the channel
[01:34] <dcraven> dr_willis, right you are! And that site made a popup in Firefox.. That's discouraging.
[01:34] <gordonjcp> SeeleyUSMC: wine
[01:34] <ircbot_> SeeleyUSMC: you can use wine
[01:34] <optikal> SeeleyUSMC: http://www.winehq.com
[01:35] <dr_willis> SeeleyUSMC,  'cedega' 'wine' or similer.
[01:35] <mjr> SeeleyUSMC, you may be able to get some working with wine
[01:35] <GammaRay> jacobnix: the psychedelic firs
[01:35] <ircbot_> cedega costs money though
[01:35] <djm62> damn hippies
[01:35] <dr_willis> dcraven,  Hmm -  i dident get any popup in my firefox. :P
[01:35] <ircbot_> hey don't you make fun of hippies dr_willis
[01:35] <dr_willis> dcraven,  I do have adblock extension installed.
[01:35] <ircbot_> err djm62
[01:35] <optikal> anyone have the clue on my dual proc question?
[01:35] <dcraven> dr_willis, lucky me. So do I.
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[01:36] <djm62> UnLoOpY: don't care...stop spamming
[01:36] <dr_willis> UnLoOpY,  but are they not - NOW documented?
[01:36] <dr_willis> :P
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[01:36] <dcraven> dr_willis, I got the "Firefox just blocked a popup..." bar in the browser, but the popup still popped up.. hehe
[01:36] <jacobnix> Gammray:where are you from?
[01:36] <UnLoOpY> NO THEY WERE NEV4R DOCUMENTED BEFORE
[01:36] <GammaRay> jacobnix: the dark side of the moon
[01:36] <UnLoOpY> THE JEWS DONT WANT YOU TO KNOW ABOUT THEM
[01:36] <UnLoOpY> THE JEWS DONT WANT YOU TO KNOW ABOUT THEM
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[01:36] <djm62> UnLoOpY: find out what room this is...
[01:36] <optikal> oh lord. grow up
[01:36] <GammaRay> I always liked the jews
[01:37] <GammaRay> :-P
[01:37] <optikal> I just installed 'linux-image-686-smp' package for my Dual P3/600 box.. is it accurate that if I cat /proc/cpuinfo it only says '1' under Processors?
[01:37] <djm62> somebody get an op...he's either a bot or extremely stupid human
[01:37] <qkslvrwolf_> i'd say bot
[01:37] <qkslvrwolf_> if I had to guess
[01:37] <decaf> optikal: after reboot, no
[01:38] <djm62> qkslvrwolf_: I can no longer tell...humans are getting dumber and bots are getting smarter
[01:38] <optikal> decaf: yeah, i did reboot.  if i display what kernel im running under, should it be appended by smp, like the package name?
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[01:38] <decaf> optikal: it should be
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[01:39] <optikal> decaf: okay, how can i display what kernel im running under? =)
[01:39] <decaf> 2.6.11-1-k7
[01:39] <sebix> Hi, is there a way to prevent rythmbox from discovering the title/artists from the directories I want to import in my library ? Because the one he doesn't find out, he puts them into an "unknown artists" directory...
[01:39] <BigRob> What happen to ndiswrapper I swear it use to be in the apt-get now it gone but the module is installed which is wierd
[01:39] <decaf> optikal: that is mine. try uname -a
[01:39] <jacobnix> Gammray: London?
[01:39] <GammaRay> jacobnix: nah.. try again :-D
[01:39] <BigRob> sebix, rythmbox goes by the MP3 tag
[01:40] <optikal> 2.6.10-5-686-smp..
[01:40] <optikal> And it does detect both processors in bios and upon post.
[01:40] <GammaRay> BigRob: would be nice if it had an option to follow a file format
[01:40] <jacobnix> Gammaray: AbbeRoad Studios?
[01:40] <BigRob> also does anyone know where I can get a deb package of of Netapplet aka Network Manger (redhats name)
[01:40] <SQL_Sam> how do you use apt-get chache?
[01:40] <optikal> decaf: any idea what i can check from here? or maybe a document to read up on this?
[01:41] <ircbot_> you'd think stressing to someone to not be late... they wouldn't be late
[01:41] <ircbot_> she's really lucky i paid for 2 hours of internet
[01:41] <sebix> BigRob, rythmbox also fails on .ogg subdirs...
[01:41] <GammaRay> sebix: the way I cope is to fill in the id3 tags w/ easytag.. it can create them based on a file name format
[01:41] <GammaRay> jacobnix: way off
[01:41] <^vir^> tbird, use this mirror for e17
[01:41] <decaf> optikal: you should see two same stanzas in /proc/cpuinfo now
[01:41] <^vir^> deb http://luddite.atticauthor.info/debian/ unstable/
[01:41] <sebix> GammaRay, oh, I need to look at easytag, then
[01:41] <BigRob> sebix, to my knowledge rythmbox does not go based on directoris oggs have file tags also
[01:42] <nickrud> BigRob, it's called netapplet in ubuntu also
[01:42] <^vir^> brb
[01:42] <decaf> optikal: one for "processor 0" and one for "processor 1"
[01:42] <BigRob> nickrud i did not see it in synaptic
[01:42] <ircbot_> okay in /proc/cpuinfo should it have the speed of my cpu on the cpu mhz line?
[01:43] <nickrud> BigRob, it's in the universe repository. Have you done
[01:43] <optikal> decaf: wow.. i feel like a idiot now.. its actually displaying both procs, first proc is Processor: 0, but when it display it, my window is sized perfectly so that i cannot even see 1 line from the first processors info output.
[01:43] <jacobnix> GammaRay: doy you now where pink floyd makes tour?
[01:43] <optikal> decaf: thanks for the help tho. =)
[01:44] <nickrud> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[01:44] <GammaRay> jacobnix: I think they play the wax museum
[01:44] <decaf> optikal: yw. many things start from 0 at unix and C
[01:44] <BigRob> nicrud i enabled universe repository
[01:44] <jacobnix> Gammaray: when?
[01:44] <jacobnix> gammray: im from mexico?
[01:44] <optikal> decaf: If you dont mind, one more real fast question.. whats the best cpu load monitoring tool for dual proc? is gdesklets suitable?
[01:45] <optikal> decaf: yeah, thats why i feel like an idiot as well.. i should have realized that fact.
[01:45] <BigRob> nicrud I am not using the 5.0 release I am using warty or what ever they are calling it as Debian right now is having issues with my laptop
[01:45] <nickrud> BigRob, ;( it's in hoary
[01:45] <^vir^> got e17 to work
[01:45] <^vir^> :D
[01:46] <nickrud> ^vir^, I looked at that link earlier it does work?
[01:46] <GammaRay> jacobnix: don't mean to get your hopes up but.. I was making light of the fact that they are all old timers now
[01:46] <^vir^> yeah it does
[01:46] <nickrud> is the package gpg signed by someone?
[01:46] <decaf> optikal: :)). I personally dont trust eye candy apps. therefore I dont recommend gdesklets for monitoring. but you should try.
[01:47] <GammaRay> jacobnix: http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/reflections/images/ref0028s.jpg
[01:47] <jacobnix> gammaray: whattttt?
[01:47] <^vir^> nah it ain't nickrud
[01:47] <^vir^> not that i know of
[01:47] <BigRob> what I cant figure out is what ubuntu is working and Sarge is not
[01:47] <ircbot_> shit GammaRay that's creepy
[01:48] <dockane> i would like to run bashmark, a small benchmark. there is an ebuild for gentoo and the sources. how do i compile them ? (.cpp and .hpp files)
[01:48] <ircbot_> really creepy
[01:48] <optikal> decaf: i just like a visual based graphs of current and previous loads.. and it provides that, so.. i dont know of a better one.  what cpu load monitor do you recommend?
[01:48] <jacobnix> gamma: whats mean?
[01:49] <jacobnix> gammaray: the pics in tose url
[01:49] <ndlong1> hallo, can some one give idea on how ubuntu is better than debian ? i wanna try ubuntu !
[01:49] <qkslvrwolf_> you could tyr the live cd ndlong
[01:49] <dr_willis> ndlong1,  it has cooler people in the #ubuntu channel.
[01:49] <ircbot_> ndlong1: updated packages
[01:50] <GammaRay> jacobnix: wax heads I assume from a wax museum
[01:50] <nickrud> ndlong1, ubuntu is not better, ju^W see dr_willis
[01:50] <ircbot_> GammaRay: creepy heads from a creepy museum
[01:50] <GammaRay> jacobnix: http://www.yourdictionary.com/ahd/w/w0063500.html
[01:51] <^vir^> nickrud, thats the link i found a e17 deb resp on
[01:51] <ndlong1> do we have more stable packages and easy to update than in Debian ?
[01:51] <nickrud> ^vir^, yeah, but I don't know who the guy is, and I need to know :)
[01:52] <SeeleyUSMC> So if I use Wine, I can run programs I have installed on my Windows partitions?
[01:52] <GammaRay> depends on the app
[01:52] <^vir^> nickrud, ask in #e for some deb sources i'm sure they will help
[01:53] <nickrud> ^vir^, not a bad suggestion, asking if they know the guy.
[01:53] <GammaRay> and if you run ntfs, running apps located on the windows fs is not likely to work
[01:53] <GammaRay> but it's been a long time since I last used wine...
[01:54] <optikal> GammaRay: moreso if the application needs to use the windows registry, or write to the ntfs partition
[01:54] <dr_willis> you normally want to use wine and 'reinstll' all the applcations to your linux system and just transfer the data to/from some windows/fat32 partition.
[01:54] <GammaRay> windows apps usually need to write to their installed dirs and ntfs is ro
[01:54] <optikal> hehe
[01:54] <nickrud> the only win app that ever mattered to me wouldn't work in wine or qemu
[01:54] <optikal> nickrud: whats that
[01:54] <dr_willis> sol.exe
[01:54] <dr_willis> :P
[01:54] <GammaRay> optikal: well 2 is better than 1
[01:54] <nickrud> Thomas Guide to California
[01:55] <nickrud> optikal, ^^
[01:55] <^vir^> GammaRay, ntfs is ro if you use the kernel driver for ntfs partions
[01:55] <optikal> which mostly everyone does
[01:55] <optikal> but good point
[01:56] <GammaRay> yea.. ironically you can use wine to write to ntfs
[01:56] <timello> hey all! which package need I to install to heard a music only passing the mouse on the icon?
[01:56] <^vir^> you can make ntfs read & write using paragon ntfs & i forgot the other way
[01:56] <decaf> but we have some better solutions, 'captive' is one of them
[01:56] <timello> to listen I mean
[01:56] <dr_willis> are the alternative ways like 'captive' really safe however?
[01:56] <frank__> GammaRay, really wo write on ntfs? I'm not so sure, never heard of that
[01:57] <^vir^> captive isn't as good as paragon ntfs
[01:57] <SeeleyUSMC> I have windows on a FAT so I can write to it
[01:57] <GammaRay> dr_willis: captive that dr_willis mentioned uses wine
[01:57] <GammaRay> err oops
[01:57] <frank__> dr_willis, apparently captive works but not with a x86_64 kernel
[01:57] <nickrud> optikal, it installs fine to qemu, but fails on the cd, both direct and as a loop device
[01:57] <dockane> which packet contains g++ ?
[01:57] <optikal> nickrud: refresh me, whats sol.exe?
[01:58] <dr_willis> its still safest - to reinstall the apps with wine. and transfer data. :O it'd would really SUCK if wine some how trashed your windows drive.
[01:58] <dr_willis> sol.exe = the windows solitare game.
[01:58] <decaf> dr_willis: works for me, but I don't have any important data on ntfs partition.so dont care
[01:58] <optikal> ooh.. hehe jes.. thats right.
[01:58] <nickrud> wrong guy, that was dr_willis for sol.exe, I want the Thomas Guide
[01:58] <dr_willis> :)
[01:58] <optikal> =P
[01:59] <timello> Dr_Acemaster, which package need I to install to listen music only passing the mouse on the icon (Gnome)? Do you know?
[02:02] <tsume_> gnaa == stupid people :)
[02:02] <emokid> yes!! are they flooding you too!?
[02:02] <emokid> they keep on hitting #gentoo
[02:02] <emokid> mass inviting and private flooding
[02:02] <GammaRay> you know pablo picasso was never called an asshole
[02:02] <tsume_> emokid: nah, I'm just know they are kids at the age of 7 years old
[02:03] <nickrud> GammaRay, he did have girlfriends :)
[02:03] <tsume_> emokid: basic loosers who are poor
[02:03] <Anlar> gammaray: perhaps he WAS
[02:03] <Twiggy> Monet was
[02:03] <tsume_> emokid: they don't bother me, they are just wasting thier own time ;)
[02:03] <emokid> yea!!
[02:03] <GammaRay> Anlar: not in new york
[02:05] <redlyn> hi
[02:05] <nickrud> ^vir^, could you give me that link again? Want to ask in #e
[02:06] <^vir^> sure
[02:06] <nickrud> thk
[02:08] <^vir^> nickrud, http://shadoi.soulmachine.net/
[02:09] <nickrud> thanks ^vir^
[02:09] <^vir^> no prob
[02:12] <nickrud> ^vir^, this wasn't the link I remember, this one I think I can trust :)
[02:15] <^vir^> the link i first showed was off of that page which i found using google :)
[02:18] <revelater> hey, for some reason synaptic isn't letting me change the repositorys
[02:19] <revelater> anyone know why?
[02:19] <revelater> ???
[02:20] <revelater> ????????????
[02:20] <GatsuB> hello
[02:20] <revelater> hi
[02:20] <GatsuB> can i ask a question?
[02:21] <revelater> we seem to be the only people alive here... i will help if i can
[02:21] <nickrud> anytime, we just don't promise to have the answers :)
[02:21] <GatsuB> i have mounted a fat32 fs with this line in fstab: /dev/hda5	/mnt/caska	vfat    rw,umask=0   0       0
[02:21] <fejaor> I have problems trying to install the plug in from HOWTO: Embed PDFs with Evince in Mozilla/Firefox
[02:21] <rodrigo_-_22> hi. i need to do a full backup of my home directory on a remote server, but i don't have enough space left on my hd to create a tar file and then upload it to the remote server. is there any tool i can use to make the remote backup without creating a huge file on my computer?
[02:21] <fejaor> I have this message
[02:22] <fejaor> fejaor@fejaor:/etc$ sudo gedit /etc/mozpluggerrc
[02:22] <fejaor> sudo: /etc/sudoers is mode 0777, should be 0440
[02:22] <fejaor> anyone?
[02:22] <mainer> rodrigo: use rsync or ftp
[02:22] <optikal> fejaor: man chmod
[02:23] <GatsuB> the partition is not writeable
[02:23] <GatsuB> only read
[02:23] <fejaor> need the exact command
[02:24] <revelater> fejaor: just: sudo chmod 0440 /directory/to/file
[02:24] <optikal> fejaor: it'll do you better to read up.. dont be scared to learn what your doing
[02:24] <nickrud> fejaor, one more total freebie: chmod 0440 /etc/sudoers
[02:25] <nickrud> and I hope no one needs to correct me :)
[02:25] <revelater> nickrud: any reason why synaptic wouldn't feel like recording a change of repositories?
[02:25] <nickrud> that's a wierd one
[02:25] <nickrud> how about starting with an ls -l /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:25] <revelater> nickrud: your telling me... is tehre a max number of repos?
[02:25] <nickrud> revelater, no, no limits
[02:26] <fejaor> It didn't allowed me to do that change...
[02:26] <revelater> -rw-r--r--  1 root root 1089 2005-04-23 17:18 /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:26] <optikal> fejaor: try sudo or su.
[02:26] <optikal> fejaor: you need to run it as root
[02:27] <nickrud> fejaor, anything that is done outside of /home/<your user name> must be preceeded by sudo
[02:27] <brundleFly> howdy
[02:27] <fejaor> sudo: /etc/sudoers is mode 0777, should be 0440
[02:27] <fejaor> You have new mail in /var/mail/fejaor
[02:27] <fejaor> that's what I goy
[02:27] <fejaor> got
[02:27] <optikal> fejaor: do you know how to su or sudo?
[02:27] <nickrud> revelater, do you mind private chat so we don't get in these other guys way?
[02:27] <fejaor> that's after sudo chmod 0440 /etc/sudoers
[02:28] <revelater> nickrud, hmm, ok but how?
[02:28] <revelater> nickrud: i am new to this command line chat thing...
[02:28] <fejaor> yes and I did it....
[02:29] <nickrud> revelater, I don't have a clue about command line chat, I use xchat :)
[02:29] <optikal> fejaor: paste from your first error to your current prompt at a PASTE BIN site only, not in channel
[02:29] <revelater> nickrud.... k so should we make our own chatroom or what?
[02:29] <fejaor> website?
[02:29] <nickrud> yeah, and would some kind soul take pity on us and tell us the command?
[02:30] <optikal> revelater: what client?
[02:30] <optikal> fejaor: http://paste.anitox.org
[02:30] <revelater> irssi
[02:30] <optikal> i believe its alt+1 alt+2 alt+3
[02:30] <optikal> or /window 1, /window 2 /window 3
[02:30] <revelater> optikal, for private chatting?
[02:31] <limer> anyone have a suggestion for good variant of mame for ubuntu?
[02:31] <thegreedyturtle> limer: what are you using it for?
[02:31] <limer> sfa3
[02:31] <optikal> revelater: to switch between your status screen (1) your first channel joined (2) and so forth.  for example, if you joined 1 channel and had 1 pm convo, and you joined the channel before the pm convo started, 1 would be status 2 would be channel and 3 would be pm convo for that specific nick
[02:31] <thegreedyturtle> expand plz
[02:32] <limer> street fighter alpha 3
[02:32] <fejaor> done optikal
[02:32] <optikal> give me the link of it now
[02:32] <limer> I know of xmame, just didn't know if ppl thought gmame or whatever may be better
[02:33] <thegreedyturtle> heh, well in a twist of irony, you've got ubuntu, which stands for 'humanity to others' and you are trying to merge it succesfully with 'street fighter'
[02:33] <thegreedyturtle> it can be done, but you'll need some ingenuity!
[02:33] <limer> yes, true.  my fist will unify with their face.  I don't see the problem
[02:33] <Jimmothy> anyone know how to take a screenshot with the terminal in ubuntu? import doesn't work
[02:33] <thegreedyturtle> hahah
[02:33] <limer> :P
[02:34] <thegreedyturtle> i wonder if there's a word for 'humanity for some, asswhoop for others'
[02:34] <limer> another oxymoron might be "Ubuntu kicks ass!"
[02:34] <thegreedyturtle> or maybe 'inhumanity for all'
[02:34] <limer> which it most certainly does
[02:34] <optikal> fejaor: okay, you have to login with su to chmod sudoers from 777 to 440
[02:35] <thegreedyturtle> the easy choice would be 'street fighter ubuntu 3'
[02:35] <fejaor> from the root terminal?
[02:35] <Levander> When I'm at the grub menu during boot, how do I get to the grub prompt?
[02:35] <optikal> fejaor: have you setup a password yet for root?
[02:35] <limer> If Ken and Ryu used linux (which I think we all know they do) . . . it would be ubuntu
[02:35] <limer> maybe M. Bison would be the odd Windoze world domination guy
[02:35] <optikal> Thats got to be the gayest thing i've ever heard.
[02:36] <gfxstyler> Levander: escape?
[02:36] <fejaor> what do you mean?
[02:36] <Levander> gfxstyler: okay, I'm about to try it!
[02:36] <Levander> gotta reboot from the live cd...
[02:36] <thegreedyturtle> Guile would use Fedora, Ken and Ryu would use Debian, and Chun-Li would use Ubuntu
[02:36] <thegreedyturtle> lesse, Suse is european so...
[02:37] <limer> so long as she does a spread for a wall, I'd be happy
[02:37] <thegreedyturtle> XD
[02:37] <gfxstyler> Levander: i dont know if livecd has a grub menu, but with hd install there is a "press ESC for blablabla"
[02:37] <thegreedyturtle> one of those downward 'holding hands in a circle' shots
[02:37] <thegreedyturtle> you know, someone could make some hilarious fan art with that theme
[02:37] <limer> sure, she should join with Cammy or maybe the DOA girls
[02:37] <fejaor> how can I do that change from 777 to 440??
[02:38] <optikal> fejaor: type 'sudo passwd root' and then if sudo asks for your password, enters yours.. then when asked for another password (and verifiy) type in a different, preferably a different password than your user account (security purposes).  once you so that, type su, then enter the password you created in the previous step.  then type your chmod command as you have stated in the pastebin.
[02:38] <yoner> is anyone here using Ubuntu for server applications (e.g. web, file, database)?
[02:38] <thegreedyturtle> does anyone know if there's a graphical clipboard tool for gnome-clipboard-daemon (similar to Klipper?)
[02:38] <gfxstyler> fejaor: open a terminal and type sudo chmod 440 where you want it
[02:39] <Levander> gfxstyler: i was booted in the live cd, had to reboot back into my regular system.  But, yeah, apparently the menu tells you to hit 'c' to get to a prompt
[02:39] <fejaor> optikal.....I typed sudo passwd root and the same message appeared
[02:40] <optikal> er yeah.
[02:40] <optikal> type su<enter>
[02:40] <gfxstyler> fejaor: i guess u dont need to give su a passwd, why not use sudo?
[02:41] <limer> xclipboard?
[02:41] <optikal> gfxstyler: he cannot use sudo because sudoers is 777, and if its 777 no one can sudo
[02:41] <fejaor> fejaor@fejaor:~$ sudo chmod 440 /etc/sudoers
[02:41] <fejaor> sudo: /etc/sudoers is mode 0777, should be 0440
[02:41] <optikal> type su<enter>
[02:41] <gfxstyler> optikal: didnt know what he wants to to with chmod
[02:41] <limer> thegreedyturtle: apropos clip    = xclipboard
[02:42] <optikal> fejaor: what does 'su' return? a password prompt or ?
[02:42] <thegreedyturtle> limer: what is apropos?
[02:42] <nickrud> revelater, did you flood that private chat :)
[02:42] <limer> searches the first line of man pages for whatever your search string is
[02:42] <limer> man apropos
[02:42] <fejaor> password prompt
[02:42] <nickrud> first time I've been kicked
[02:43] <jubei> Hello. Does anyone here know anything about evdev mouse input?
[02:43] <optikal> fejaor: enter your root password
[02:43] <gfxstyler> anyone knows how long the hoary cds will take to get shipped to me? i ordered them a few weeks ago .. too bad
[02:43] <fejaor> su: Authentication failure
[02:43] <fejaor> You have new mail in /var/mail/fejaor
[02:43] <fejaor> after entering the password
[02:43] <optikal> fejaor: fejaor wrong password.  try the other one or type it correctly
[02:43] <optikal> -*fejahor
[02:44] <fejaor> i tried the only pass I have
[02:44] <fejaor> :S
[02:44] <optikal> whos the system administrator of this box?
[02:45] <fejaor> I am
[02:45] <jg> gfxstyler: bittorrent is your friend...
[02:45] <revelater> knickrud, no i posted in #flood
[02:45] <lunitik> fejaor: where and how did you get the prompt?
[02:45] <revelater> nickrun...
[02:45] <revelater> nickrud
[02:45] <revelater> fingers will not work today
[02:45] <nickrud> revelater, ok, I got disconnected for some reason, but I'm baaack
[02:45] <fejaor> -*lunitik: trying to type su
[02:45] <gfxstyler> jg: no thats not the point, i want a nice cd :) i already loaded it via net
[02:45] <lunitik> fejaor: type 'sudo'
[02:46] <fejaor> fejaor@fejaor:~$ sudo
[02:46] <fejaor> sudo: /etc/sudoers is mode 0777, should be 0440
[02:46] <fejaor> You have new mail in /var/mail/fejaor
[02:46] <lunitik> fejaor: 'sudo -i' is the same as 'su -'
[02:46] <fejaor> fejaor@fejaor:~$ sudo -i
[02:46] <fejaor> sudo: /etc/sudoers is mode 0777, should be 0440
[02:46] <revelater> nickrud, well, problem not solved, but i got a workaround that should do the same thing, i just manually added the line i needed
[02:46] <lunitik> fejaor: yeah... thats bad
[02:46] <optikal> hehe yah
[02:46] <lunitik> fejaor: although there is no reason it would have those perms
[02:47] <nickrud> what works, works.
[02:47] <lunitik> nickrud: but its not working...
[02:47] <fejaor> :S
[02:47] <nickrud> lunitik, yes it is, it's just too dark.
[02:47] <XTCboarder> has anybody tried F4L?
[02:48] <lunitik> nickrud: wtf are you talking about?
[02:48] <nickrud> lunitik, sorry, I think we're talking about different things
[02:48] <fejaor> any solution??
[02:49] <nickrud> fejaor, have you edited /etc/sudoers?
[02:50] <fejaor> yes
[02:50] <nickrud> that's a no no, unless you use visudoers
[02:51] <fejaor> to install firestarter
[02:52] <Marble2> crap. I just removed the trash Icon from the bottom right of my desktop. How do I get it back
[02:54] <Marble2> anyone?
[02:54] <atool> right click on menubar
[02:54] <atool> choose add to panel
[02:55] <atool> then scroll down to the trash applet
[02:55] <Marble2> that only works for the one at the to
[02:55] <Marble2> *top
[02:55] <Marble2> I mean bottom right corner.
[02:55] <atool> ?
[02:56] <Marble2> nvm, that worked
[02:56] <Marble2> thanks
[02:56] <atool> you can't move it to the bottom?
[02:56] <Marble2> yea, I moved it
[02:56] <atool> :)
[02:56] <Marble2> okay, now why did 2 little drive icons just show up on my desktop?
[02:57] <atool> dunno
[02:57] <fevel> can someone help me to share files
[02:57] <bigmatt> has anybody gotten cvscedega to work properly?
[02:57] <nickrud> A question: if sudo chmod 0440 /etc/sudoers comes back with sudo: /etc/sudoers is mode 0777, should be 0440 and there is no root account, is a recovery possilbe?
[02:57] <fevel> i pinged my connection and its fine
[02:58] <SeeleyUSMC> Does anyone know where the doc_root is defaultly for apache web server in ubuntu?
[02:59] <atool> does "locate html | grep apache" give you any ideas?
[02:59] <abiertos> hello
[02:59] <abiertos> my name is Ernesto
[02:59] <abiertos> I have a problem
[03:00] <abiertos> I lost my root password
[03:00] <abiertos> and Im not in a sudoers group
[03:00] <lunitik> abiertos: restart, boot into 'rescue mode' and add yourself
[03:00] <Marble2>  I have 2 icons on my desktop that point to drive's that I have mounted, they just randomly showed up, how do I remove them? In the right click menu, move to trash is whited out
[03:00] <abiertos> I need to now how I can to recovery my root password without install again
[03:00] <struggler> Hi, I'm using the default kernel 2.6.10.5 on Hoary. Would someone please tell me how to turn on NLS?
[03:01] <lunitik> Marble2: eject the media
[03:01] <lunitik> Marble2: or take away that function from g-v-m
[03:01] <Marble2> g-v-m ?
[03:01] <abiertos> I don't need to be a root?
[03:01] <lunitik> gnome-volume-manager
[03:01] <Marble2> well it's always been mounted before without the icons showing up
[03:01] <lunitik> abiertos: to do that, no
[03:01] <abiertos> ok
[03:01] <lunitik> abiertos: rescue mode is single user
[03:02] <abiertos> I need the ubuntu cd
[03:02] <lunitik> Marble2: in gnome 2.10?
[03:02] <abiertos> for to do that?
[03:02] <lunitik> abiertos: just do what I told you
[03:02] <Marble2> mm
[03:02] <Marble2> greg@Greg:~ $ /usr/bin/gdm --version
[03:02] <Marble2> GDM 2.6.0.7
[03:02] <stuNNed> is there a way to have gnome on f7 and kde on f8?
[03:02] <stuNNed> w/out gdm?
[03:02] <stuNNed> or kdm for that matter?
[03:02] <atool> abiertos, i think it's one of the grub boot options
[03:03] <abiertos> I just restart in rescue mode and nothing more
[03:03] <dr_willis> you can start several X sessions if you want and make them run eithe rone..
[03:03] <abiertos> ok
[03:03] <lunitik> atool: it is
[03:03] <abiertos> Im gonna do that now
[03:03] <abiertos> bye
[03:03] <struggler> Anyone know how to turn on NLS in Hoary?
[03:03] <dr_willis> or you could use vnc and have  a desktop in a 'window' or use the xnest for similer feature
[03:03] <Marble2> anyone?
[03:04] <struggler> Anyone who would be willing to share.
[03:05] <qkslvrwolf_> just out of curiousity...what is nls?
[03:05] <qkslvrwolf_> and how do I change my bleeding color in xchat?
[03:05] <struggler> Internationalization support
[03:05] <qkslvrwolf_> ahh, ok
[03:05] <qkslvrwolf_> thanks.  sorry I can't help
[03:05] <struggler> thanks anyway
[03:05] <lunitik> struggler: what language do you need?
[03:06] <struggler> I have the default locales.
[03:06] <lunitik> struggler: thats not what I asked
[03:06] <Agrajag> qkslvrwolf_: setting>preferences>colors
[03:06] <struggler> I disabled it originally
[03:06] <struggler> and now need to turn it back on
[03:06] <lunitik> struggler: cool... answer my question
[03:06] <struggler> to do some testing
[03:06] <struggler> German
[03:07] <lunitik> struggler: apt-get install language-support-de lang-pack-de
[03:07] <struggler> thank you
[03:08] <lunitik> struggler: apt-get install language-support-de language-pack-de
[03:08] <qkslvrwolf_> test
[03:08] <qkslvrwolf_> hrm
[03:08] <struggler> lunitik: thank you very much
[03:08] <qkslvrwolf_> test
[03:08] <karljp> how come debian apt-repos have subversion 1.1.4 and ubuntu hoary main only has 1.1.1?
[03:09] <abiertos> hello it's me again
[03:09] <abiertos> Lunitik
[03:09] <nickrud> karljp, cuz ubuntu is frozen :)
[03:09] <abiertos> I done like you told me
[03:09] <karljp> frozen two weeks ago though
[03:09] <karljp> ok, I guess svn could have made three releases this month :)
[03:10] <abiertos> the system beg me the root password
[03:10] <abiertos> for maintenance
[03:10] <lunitik> abiertos: followed correct format? 'abiertos ALL [ALL] '?
[03:10] <abiertos> ?
[03:10] <qkslvrwolf_> check
[03:10] <nickrud> karljp, probably not, more likely  ubuntu just fell behind :)
[03:10] <lunitik> abiertos: then you didn't do what I told you...
[03:10] <abiertos> what the hell is that
[03:10] <lunitik> it doesn't prompt for a password in rescue mode
[03:11] <abiertos> where I have to put that?
[03:11] <lunitik> abiertos: how did you do what I told you ... and not know how 5 mins later?
[03:11] <abiertos> remember that I don't have permission for that file
[03:12] <lunitik> abiertos: in single user... you are root... so you have perms
[03:12] <abiertos> I have to edit the kernel image before the grub loads
[03:12] <abiertos> ?
[03:12] <Dnatas> I just inserted my ps2 mouse and for whatever reason X can't find it this is going from having a usb mouse to using a ps2 one..
[03:12] <Dnatas> do I need a module installed?
[03:12] <Dnatas> even after a reboot it isn't working although it works in windows..
[03:13] <abiertos> and where is written 'ro quiet single'
[03:13] <abiertos> put abiertos ALL [ALL] 
[03:13] <nickrud> Dnatas, your xorg.conf needs to be redone.
[03:13] <abiertos> and lunitik?
[03:13] <lunitik> abiertos: ffs... when it says 'press ESC when prompted' do it... select rescue mode ... and hit enter... then vi /etc/sudoers ... add 'abiertos ALL [ALL] ' to that file... save via :wq! ,,, reboot
[03:14] <abiertos> ok
[03:14] <abiertos> I know that
[03:14] <abiertos> I have other question
[03:14] <SeeleyUSMC> Are there any good PHP IDE's out there?
[03:14] <abiertos> ?
[03:15] <atool> ecplise probably has some php plugins
[03:15] <abiertos> how you know that the user abiertos is the default system user of my system?
[03:15] <nickrud> when you get to the login screen, hit ctl alt F1, login, do sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, hit ctl alt f7, and try again
[03:15] <lunitik> abiertos: /whois abiertos   :/
[03:16] <abiertos> ok
[03:16] <abiertos> can you hack me and change my root password?
[03:16] <abiertos> for me
[03:16] <abiertos> ?
[03:16] <Agrajag> ahahahahhaha
[03:16] <lunitik> actually, I was just guessing though... doesn't matter what the user is... put the right user
[03:16] <atool> hehe
[03:16] <abiertos> ok
[03:16] <nickrud> if I knew what I was doing ...
[03:16] <lunitik> abiertos: if I could... I would have... less frustrating
[03:17] <abiertos> if it fails I'll be back
[03:17] <resiak> I have a buggered-up file on my XFS / partition. Any operation upon the file (including stat) gives the useful error "Unknown error 990". Sadly, this file is part of pppeoconf, which has a new version happily wanting to replace said file, but dpkg fails since it can't touch this file. touch /forcefsck is useless, since fsck.xfs simply returns true. I need to run xfs_repair on the filesystem, but cannot since the filesystem must
[03:17] <abiertos> bye, again
[03:17] <Zugot> anyone here using lvm?
[03:17] <lunitik> morons should be shot on sight
[03:17] <nickrud> resiak, breezy?
[03:18] <LinuxJones> lunitik, what does that mean ?
[03:18] <lunitik> LinuxJones: exactly what I said
[03:18] <LinuxJones> lunitik, dude maybe he hasn't been using Linux for very long
[03:18] <resiak> nickrud: It's not a package error, it's because I had some really bad ram. All kinds of stuff got screwed...
[03:19] <lunitik> LinuxJones: no excuse for simply not comprehending
[03:19] <atool> besides you're the one that told him to use vi and not visudo
[03:19] <nickrud> hardware failure = reinstall, almost always, unless you're a guru
[03:19] <atool> :)
[03:19] <lunitik> atool: visudo = vi /etc/sudoers  :/
[03:19] <LinuxJones> lunitik, well maybe his English is not very good or he's like 11 years old :D
[03:19] <atool> "visudo edits the sudoers file in a safe fashion,"
[03:19] <paulproteus> lunitik: Not true.  visudo does syntax checks.
[03:20] <nickrud> visudo saved my ass more than once
[03:20] <lunitik> paulproteus: I gave him correct syntax... imma do a happy dance if he manages to fuck that up
[03:20] <nickrud> lunitik, how old do you think he was?
[03:20] <resiak> nickrud: In this context, I am sufficiently guruish. I fixed /var/lib/dpkg/available by hand, among other things.
[03:21] <nickrud> resiak, more guru than I :)
[03:21] <nickrud> I will have good thoughts for you
[03:22] <flex_> does ubuntu have a font installer?
[03:22] <lunitik> flex_: throw them in /usr/share/fonts ... or fonts://
[03:22] <GammaRay> put them in ~/.fonts
[03:23] <GoneBoB> fonts://
[03:23] <nickrud> flex_, just drop the ttf in ~/.icons, that's your installer
[03:23] <GammaRay> .icons?
[03:23] <resiak> nickrud: My current schemes involve resizing my /boot to make space for a very small partition into which I can chroot and debootstrap just enough to have an sshd and the xfs tools, whereupon I set grub to boot that next, reboot, cross fingers, be happy.
[03:23] <nickrud> GammaRay, I'm a dufe often :)
[03:24] <nickrud> resiak, I understood enough of that to just scare myself.
[03:24] <GoneBoB> nickrud: even if you can fix it, often a reinstall is faster/easier
[03:24] <GammaRay> fonts:// is nice. it has previews AFAIK
[03:24] <abiertos> lunitik
[03:24] <GammaRay> but so does any ttf AFAIK
[03:24] <abiertos> I told ya, I told ya and I told ya
[03:24] <nickrud> GammaRay, just the Aa, which sucks
[03:24] <GammaRay> GammaRay: shutup!
[03:25] <abiertos> it doesnt work
[03:25] <resiak> GoneBoB: You meant to aim that at me. No, it's not faster in this case.
[03:25] <lunitik> abiertos: you told me what? I have done that like 3 times so far with Ubuntu... don't tell me I'm wrong because you're incompetent
[03:25] <GammaRay> nickrud: there is a font viewer that shows more
[03:25] <abiertos> the system is telling me this:
[03:25] <GoneBoB> resiak: not overly, it was just a general statement
[03:25] <abiertos> "Give a root password for maintenance"
[03:26] <abiertos> I told ya
[03:26] <resiak> GoneBoB: Fair enough.
[03:26] <abiertos> what can I do now
[03:26] <GammaRay> and yes I did just tell myself to shut it
[03:26] <abiertos> Im lost
[03:26] <GammaRay> i'm nuts
[03:26] <LinuxJones> abiertos, what are you trying to do ?
[03:26] <abiertos> I will have to install again
[03:27] <abiertos> hack my own root
[03:27] <abiertos> password
[03:27] <resiak> abiertos: init=/bin/sh
[03:27] <theBishop> is anyone running the mac version of Ubuntu?
[03:27] <LinuxJones> abiertos, leave the root account disabled and use sudo
[03:27] <GammaRay> or single user mode
[03:27] <abiertos> I put disable sudo
[03:27] <abiertos> this is the proble
[03:27] <abiertos> problem
[03:27] <resiak> abiertos: To expand on that, append init=/bin/sh to your boot line, boot up, mount your root fs rw, visudo, reboot.
[03:27] <nickrud> abiertos, listen to resiak
[03:27] <abiertos> other people use my computer
[03:28] <abiertos> I forgot my root password
[03:28] <struggler> theBishop: yes
[03:28] <LinuxJones> abiertos, re-install takes 25 minutes, don't forget your password :D
[03:28] <resiak> abiertos: Then append init=/bin/sh to your boot line, boot up, mount your root fs, run passwd, reboot
[03:28] <theBishop> struggler: i'm gonna be running it on a 500Mhz G3 iMac
[03:28] <theBishop> is the performance bad?
[03:28] <abiertos> lunitik tolds me something about restart the computer and use the single user mode but doesn't work
[03:28] <resiak> Will people please stop advocating reinstalls when fixing the problem is trivial?
[03:28] <resiak> abiertos: I just told you how to get around that.
[03:29] <struggler> lots faster than OS X or OS 9, it is reasonable on a G3/300
[03:29] <Zugot> where is lvm in hoary?
[03:29] <theBishop> the main reason i'm installing it is because OSX is a bit sluggish
[03:29] <theBishop> i wonder if i should use a KDE distro instead
[03:29] <abiertos> I had never see it that line in the kernel image
[03:29] <LinuxJones> resiak, who knows what he has done to his system ?
[03:29] <theBishop> i love Ubuntu on my PC, but Gnome tends to be slower for me
[03:29] <abiertos> where is that?
[03:29] <GammaRay> theBishop: try kubuntu
[03:29] <resiak> LinuxJones: He's forgotten his root password.
[03:30] <resiak> LinuxJones: This is the canonical way to fix that.
[03:30] <struggler> theBishop gui stuff is a little sluggish, but better than OS X, and it doesn't need as much memory
[03:30] <abiertos> I had restarted my system three times
[03:30] <resiak> abiertos: At the Grub menu, hit the key to edit the boot commands. Go to the kernel line, and append init=/bin/sh to that line
[03:30] <LinuxJones> resiak, whatever :)
[03:30] <GammaRay> however.. gtk is certainly quicker on old computers than qt imho
[03:30] <lunitik> resiak: no... what I told him is the 'canonical way' ... but apparently he can't figure out what I said... rescue mode is what he wants... it doesn't prompt for a password in hoary... this I know for a fact...
[03:30] <abiertos> I have to add that line
[03:31] <abiertos> to the kernel image
[03:31] <GammaRay> and I do mean gtk2
[03:31] <theBishop> gamma: you think so?
[03:31] <resiak> lunitik: He's _enabled_root_.
[03:31] <abiertos> ?
[03:31] <lunitik> resiak: then it is certainly not the canonical way.... but uhh... since when did you need a password for single user?
[03:31] <resiak> lunitik: Since he gave root a password.
[03:32] <GammaRay> theBishop: It not by much but try running opera (plain QT) and compare it to gtk2 apps on a k6 266.
[03:32] <resiak> lunitik: That's what happens all the time on Debian -- I presume that on Ubuntu once you give root a password the same applies. I've never done it myself. Anyway, init=/bin/sh is the canonical way to evade a forgotten root password, which is the situation here.
[03:32] <lunitik> resiak: single user on a Debian system doesn't need a root password  :/
[03:32] <resiak> lunitik: You're 100% wrong.
[03:32] <wjesusaxl> guys help me with this little matter
[03:33] <lunitik> resiak: ok... my bad... I only ran Debian for 4 years... what do I know  :/
[03:33] <wjesusaxl> root@wjesusaxllap:/home/wjesusaxl # mount compu:/mnt/win2003 /mnt/disk1
[03:33] <wjesusaxl> mount: RPC: Program not registered
[03:33] <wjesusaxl> ount: RPC: Program not registered
[03:33] <resiak> lunitik: *shrug* All I know is that single _definitely_ requires the root password on Debian.
[03:33] <abiertos> if you don't know I understand I finding my Ubuntu install CD
[03:33] <wjesusaxl> mount: RPC: Program not registered
[03:34] <resiak> abiertos: I didn't see you address me. Please prefix what you say to me with my name so I can see it.
[03:34] <wjesusaxl> any help with this : mount: RPC: Program not registered
[03:34] <abiertos> you want my ip
[03:34] <resiak> abiertos: Of course not.
[03:34] <abiertos> and what you want?
[03:35] <resiak> abiertos: You have to reboot, then press the appropriate key to edit the boot commands (it says at the bottom of the screen). Then add init=/bin/sh to the kernel line, then press b to boot. You can then mount your root fs read-write, and use passwd to change your password.
[03:35] <abiertos> my email?
[03:35] <resiak> abiertos: Try reading what I tell you.
[03:35] <karljp> he wants you to say resiak: stuff
[03:35] <karljp> not just stuff
[03:35] <abiertos> ok
[03:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> how can i tell whats using my net conection?
[03:35] <abiertos> I got it
[03:35] <karljp> abie: I take it you don't use english as a first language?
[03:35] <LinuxJones> Kamping_Kaiser, you mean what services your running ?
[03:36] <abiertos> I just to add that to the kernel image and I have no to erase nothing
[03:36] <abiertos> ?
[03:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> what services etc are using my internet connection. its just been used a lot, and i dont know wtf was using it
[03:37] <LinuxJones> Kamping_Kaiser, there are a few things you can use netstat or lsof -i will show you what services are listning on your system
[03:37] <wjesusaxl> mount: RPC: Program not registered
[03:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> cool. thanks
[03:37] <wjesusaxl> Does anybody know how to solve this problem? mount: RPC: Program not registered
[03:38] <bob2> wjesusaxl: you don't need to keep asking
[03:38] <bob2> wjesusaxl: once is plenty
[03:38] <abiertos> bye
[03:38] <resiak> abiertos: I really can't make it any more straightforward, I'm afraid. You press the appropriate key to edit the boot commands. You then use the up-down arrows to move to the line starting with the word "kernel", and press e. Then add a space and "init=/bin/sh" (without quotes) to that line, and press esc. Then press b to boot the system. Now you get a root shell. Remount your / partition read-write (mount -o remount,rw /) and 
[03:38] <nickrud> luck abiertos
[03:38] <abiertos> ok
[03:38] <abiertos> thanks
[03:39] <bob2> wjesusaxl: did you install portmap? search the ubuntu website? etc.
[03:39] <resiak> *sigh* I hope he gets that.
[03:39] <nickrud> good instructions, I'll remembe them :)
[03:40] <resiak> nickrud: *shrug* It's not that hard. The critical thing is remembering that you can use /bin/sh as init :)
[03:40] <nickrud> yeah, I actually knew that once, but damned if I'd remember when it counts.
[03:40] <resiak> nickrud: And _this_ is why you should set a grub password. Of course, you can just boot a livecd to evade grub, so you need a bios password too. But then you can just open the case and reset the bios password, so you need to weld your case shut :)
[03:40] <nickrud> lnx-bbc, my savior :)
[03:41] <wjesusaxl> I did it already
[03:41] <wjesusaxl> bob2: I did it already
[03:41] <resiak> What's the deal with people here not doing the whole nick: prefix thing? It's really annoying!
[03:41] <bob2> wjesusaxl: you read the documentation on ubuntu.com?
[03:41] <wjesusaxl> yah I did
[03:41] <wjesusaxl> when I restart nfs-kernel
[03:42] <nickrud> resiak, yeah, it's more conversational here, I think. You're not the first to mention it
[03:42] <wjesusaxl> it recognizes the folder which the server is exporting
[03:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> has anyone else had the problem of sata harddrives not mounting on boot up?
[03:42] <wjesusaxl> bob2: I got some problem with the permissions
[03:43] <bob2> wjesusaxl: but you're not going to tell us what that problem is?
[03:43] <bob2> Kamping_Kaiser: do you have them in /etc/fstab?
[03:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes
[03:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> i can mount them with "mount -a"
[03:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> but they dont happen at boot
[03:44] <wjesusaxl> what do you mean? I followed what the instruction said step by step
[03:44] <eos|Amok2> where can i find a partition manager?
[03:44] <hypno> eos|Amok2: cfdisk is one
[03:45] <resiak> nickrud: It's annoying, since I was trying really hard to help out abiertos, but it was difficult when he wasn't addressing me. And I'm not watching the channel constantly (I've got my own problems to fix) so I didn't see any of his follow-up questions.
[03:45] <eos|Amok2> i need a partition manager to resize a partition but for Windows
[03:45] <eos|Amok2> if anyone knows
[03:46] <Marble2> partition magic
[03:46] <resiak> eos|Amok2: Partition Magic. Go buy. :)
[03:46] <Marble2> it's not freeware, but it's about your only choice
[03:46] <nickrud> resiak, I'm new to irc, not new to debian, though, as a user. A lot of people who come here for questions don't know >anything<
[03:46] <eos|Amok2> aww
[03:46] <eos|Amok2> i need one for free
[03:46] <bob2> sorry, you'll have to pay
[03:46] <wjesusaxl> bob2: hey.. there might be someone who had the same problem once and got a tip.. so why don't you just stop writing and let someone else help me out
[03:46] <bob2> sucks to be on a proprietary platform ;)
[03:47] <resiak> nickrud: Sure. I picked it up after like 2 minutes on IRC, though.
[03:47] <bob2> wjesusaxl: why don't you tell us the actual problem
[03:47] <wjesusaxl> mount: RPC: Program not registered
[03:47] <bob2> wjesusaxl: instead of alluding to a "permission problem"
[03:47] <wjesusaxl> that's what I got
[03:47] <wjesusaxl> that's the error message that shows up
[03:47] <super_dude2> help when i goto acsses my computer (ubuntu) the windows asks for a pass which i dont know and havent set myself
[03:47] <wjesusaxl> I don't know if it's a general problem...
[03:47] <nickrud> so did I, but I bet the guy was young, and doesn't have a lot of experience to compare against.
[03:48] <wjesusaxl> but I did install the portmap...
[03:48] <nickrud> resiak, ^^ :)
[03:48] <wjesusaxl> I did read what the instructions said..
[03:48] <resiak> nickrud: How old are you?
[03:48] <nickrud> 49 two days ago
[03:48] <resiak> nickrud: Whee, I'm under half your age :P
[03:49] <karljp> lots of people are.
[03:49] <nickrud> karljp, resiak more than half the people in the world are younger than I (and someday you'll get to say the same :)
[03:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[03:50] <resiak> nickrud: I'm not saying that in a bad way, don't get me wrong. At this point I do the "joy of IRC, uniting people regardless of age" dance.
[03:50] <super_dude2> when i use my netowork to acsses my computer running ubuntu from my windows it asks for a pass what is it i have tried all of mine
[03:50] <nickrud> resiak, I concur.
[03:50] <hypno> super_dude2: have you tried entering a blank password?
[03:50] <nickrud> First Irc was 1 week ago, today
[03:50] <super_dude2> yes
[03:51] <karljp> irc is l33t
[03:51] <hypno> is this with samba?
[03:51] <super_dude2> yes
[03:51] <wjesusaxl> any clue with this error message? ount: RPC: Program not registered
[03:51] <nickrud> If it matters, first debian install was may 19, 2001 :)
[03:52] <oolon> howdy just trying out kubuntu
[03:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> thats before woody was released
[03:52] <super_dude2> if i do properties on the network folder thing it says that owner is root and its set so i cant use the folder from my own computer
[03:53] <nickrud> Kamping_Kaiser, yes, but I never ran woody. woody boot floppies straight to unstable. I'm a self-flagellator
[03:54] <qkslvrwolf> whats up oolon
[03:54] <qkslvrwolf> enjoying your kubuntu?
[03:55] <oolon> it's nice so far i gotta try it with my ati card though
[03:55] <resiak> If anyone can think of a more elegant/sane way to run xfs_repair on my root partition over ssh than by debootstrapping just enough of Debian to have sshd and xfs_repair onto a spare partition then booting from that one, speak up now. :)
[03:55] <oolon> looks like they have a river for it
[03:55] <nickrud> oolon, have you looked at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats ? Good place to start
[03:56] <nickrud> resiak, yeah, have the remote sysadmin do it :)
[03:56] <Levande1> Does anybody dare to run apt-get upgrade from cron?
[03:56] <nickrud> Levande1, no.
[03:57] <resiak> nickrud: I am the remote sysadmin -- I'm at uni, it's at home! :(
[03:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> :(
[03:57] <nickrud> Levande1, never install updates you don't supervise
[03:57] <Levande1> Everybody does it under Windows with Window Update
[03:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> more shame to them
[03:57] <nickrud> Levande1, ever, nuff said
[03:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> but i know what you mean
[03:58] <Chipzz> nickrud: that is /your/ point of view
[03:58] <bob2> Levande1: people on windows have lower standards for stability
[03:58] <nickrud> Chipzz, true
[03:58] <bob2> Levande1: I'd strongly recommend not doing it from cron
[03:58] <tsume_> Levande1: always manual updates ;)
[03:58] <Chipzz> I might do it, but I run apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade -y each evening myself
[03:58] <super_dude2> when i use my netowork to acsses my computer running ubuntu from my windows it asks for a pass what is it i have tried all of mine?
[03:58] <oolon> nickrud, thanks for the link
[03:58] <Levande1> I fought running Windows Update for a long time, till I realized I never do it manually.  After I did it automatically, was like "wow, this is nice, one less thing in my head".
[03:58] <bob2> Levande1: running 'apt-get -d dist-upgrade' from cron can be useful
[03:58] <tsume_> Levande1: linux isn't windows
[03:58] <bob2> Levande1: so when you run 'apt-get dist-upgrade', nothing needs to download
[03:59] <bob2> super_dude2: did you tell wwindows to use the correct username?
[03:59] <nickrud> Chipzz, so you supervise the install then? gotcha
[03:59] <tsume_> Levande1: updates are not just security based, they are feature and software based
[03:59] <dan2> whats kubuntu?
[03:59] <Chipzz> nickrud: I would strongly suggest not to run apt-get dist-upgrade -y from cron
[03:59] <Levande1> yeah, I think i'll hold off on doing it in cron for now
[03:59] <Chipzz> nickrud: no, do NOT got me
[03:59] <Levande1> thanks guys!
[03:59] <Chipzz> nickrud: apt-get install apt-listchanges
[03:59] <bob2> dan2: kde + ubuntu
[03:59] <Chipzz> and set it to mail changes to a specific account
[03:59] <super_dude2> bob2 it dosnt let me chose
[03:59] <bob2> tsume_: well, in the development version
[03:59] <nickrud> Chipzz, did the --download-only from chron for a year over dialup
[04:00] <bob2> tsume_: in stable releases, they're only for security fixes and serious serious bugs
[04:00] <flai> hi, i'm with a problem since i've installed the 2.6.11 kernel through synaptic that i can't configure my graphics card properly cause theres no cards listed on the xorgcfg utility, even editing the xorg.conf file manualy and puting there 1280x1024 it changes the file back to 1600x1200, anyone knows anything bout this ??!?!
[04:00] <bob2> flai: go back to 2.6.10
[04:00] <Chipzz> nickrud: and I don't see how supervising the upgrade will help you, apart from debconf questions...
[04:00] <bob2> flai: 2.6.11 is not supported
[04:00] <Levande1> dan2: it's ubuntu with the default desktop being kde, instead of gnome like normal ubuntu
[04:01] <nickrud> Chipzz, I'll stick with the consensus
[04:01] <flai> bob2, yes i'm in 2.6.10 now but its giving me the same error
[04:01] <Chipzz> nickrud: and debconf can be set to use the text front-end, and you can have it accept defaults
[04:01] <Levande1> is 2.6.11 in the repositories?  or did he just download that himself?
[04:01] <nickrud> Chipzz, and also, apt-get install list-bugs
[04:02] <Chipzz> nickrud: also, apt-get upgrade, contrary to apt-get dist-upgrade does NOT remove any packages
[04:02] <JNuke> hello, I'm having a small issue, wondering if you could help
[04:02] <Chipzz> so it would seem I'm the one who got you, not the other way around
[04:02] <Levande1> ah, debconf questions, i think that pretty much means you can't apt-get upgrade from cron
[04:02] <Chipzz> :P
[04:02] <Chipzz> Levande1: you can
[04:02] <Levande1> Chipzz: what if the defaults don't work for you?
[04:02] <Chipzz> you just have to dig a bit
[04:03] <bob2> Levande1: there are unsupported 2.6.11 packages in ubuntu
[04:03] <Chipzz> Levande1: the default are chosen in such a way that they will work in most cases for you
[04:03] <Levande1> bob2: but they won't install on their own in my hoary install?
[04:03] <Levande1> Chipzz: yeah, but fuck you if you're one of those cases.
[04:03] <Chipzz> nevertheless, you will have to output of the whole apt-get run mailed to you
[04:03] <bob2> Levande1: correct
[04:03] <Chipzz> if teh defaults do not fit you, you can always use dpkg-reconfigure
[04:03] <JNuke> I'm using the instructions from http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SetupNdiswrapperHowto, and I've gotten to the part where I have to enter "modprobe ndiswrapper". I try it, but it gives me an "operation not permited" error.
[04:04] <Levande1> okay, i gotta go, see you guys later, food might be burning.
[04:04] <DanglyBits> trying to install new theme from gnome-look.org..I have downloaded a tar.gz file...How do i open it?
[04:04] <bob2> JNuke: sudo modprobe ndiswrapper
[04:04] <karljp> jnuke: read the very bottom comment :)
[04:04] <karljp> sudo before most stuff
[04:04] <Chipzz> not knowing about dpkg-reconfigure sounds to me like being uninformed :P
[04:05] <super_dude2>  when i use my netowork to acsses my computer running ubuntu from my windows it asks for a pass what is it i have tried all of mine
[04:05] <etzerd> hello all
[04:06] <etzerd> Hello all ubuntu people
[04:06] <etzerd> ?
[04:06] <super_dude2> hi
[04:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi
[04:06] <JNuke> bob2: That gives me the same error. su modprobe ndiswrapper gives me a "Unknown ID: Modprobe" message
[04:06] <nickrud> oolon, sorry for late, but you're welcome :)
[04:07] <etzerd> can anyone tell me how can I install Windows Media Player in Ubuntu?
[04:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> bleh
[04:07] <nickrud> Is crossover still in business?
[04:07] <Delph> nickrud: it's a possibility
[04:07] <jfk303> Hi, who's in the UK?
[04:08] <super_dude2>  when i use my netowork to acsses my computer running ubuntu from my windows it asks for a pass what is it i have tried all of mine
[04:08] <Delph> jfk303: would you prefer the list ordered alphabetically, or by national insurance number?
[04:08] <nickrud> djm62, I thought you were in scotland :)
[04:08] <djm62> still part of the union ;) just.
[04:08] <nickrud> got your own parliment, what's keeping you?
[04:09] <nickrud> Delph, Ok, I bite. What are we diagramming?
[04:09] <djm62> nickrud: tax-raising powers
[04:10] <nickrud> ah, money speaks :)
[04:10] <Delph> nickrud: well, the UK and scotland, for one.
[04:10] <djm62> we also have our own legal system...but no tax-raising powers
[04:10] <super_dude2> !!!1
[04:11] <oolon> anyone have a mplayer plugin?
[04:11] <SQL_Sam> for mozilla?
[04:11] <oolon> yes
[04:11] <nickrud> United Kingdom, Wales, England, Scotland, Northern Ireland, a few islands off the coast of France. How's my geog?
[04:11] <JNuke> what else could I do to make 'modprobe ndiswrapper' work?
[04:11] <SQL_Sam> nope - mine is vlm
[04:11] <jfk303> Cornwall
[04:11] <SQL_Sam> but there is one for it
[04:11] <jfk303> another country btw
[04:12] <oolon> i just want flash and such to work
[04:12] <flex_> can gnomebaker burn audio cds?
[04:12] <karljp> sudo not su jnuke
[04:12] <SQL_Sam> flash is different
[04:12] <djm62> dodgy...
[04:12] <SQL_Sam> go to macromedia for that - i got that for flash
[04:12] <nickrud> oolon, did you do the page I gave you?
[04:12] <oolon> i tried the plugin it installed but didn't work
[04:12] <karljp> with apt-get, when I first install, I see a list of recommended packages,
[04:12] <djm62> how long since cornwall was an official country, language or not
[04:12] <karljp> how can I show tha tlist again?
[04:13] <oolon> this is a test box nickrud  my card is in another one :(
[04:13] <SQL_Sam> are there any good spyware or virus stoppers for linux? I need some
[04:13] <Chipzz> karljp: if you use the -u option when doing apt-get upgrade, apt will be more verbose
[04:13] <djm62> SQL_Sam: to stop what?
[04:13] <nickrud> ah, well, I get flash by doing that page and apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[04:13] <jfk303> djm62, by who's laws, the English?
[04:13] <JNuke> karljp: gives me the operation not permited error
[04:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> sql_sam. what sort of AVs?
[04:13] <SQL_Sam> viruses and spyware
[04:14] <SQL_Sam> i dont have anything
[04:14] <karljp> upgrade tries to update everything though, I don't want to install anything new
[04:14] <SQL_Sam> but figure i need somthing
[04:14] <LinuxJones> SQL_Sam, those aren't really needed for Linux
[04:14] <karljp> I just want to see what packages something I've already installed recommended
[04:14] <Chipzz> SQL_Sam: why do you think you need virus stoppers?
[04:14] <djm62> jfk303: I'm not dissing it, but it's kind of like "war of the roses" stuff (at least to me)
[04:14] <bob2> JNuke: sudo modprobe ndiswrapper
[04:14] <Chipzz> karljp: hmmm
[04:14] <bob2> try to stay on-topic, guys
[04:14] <SQL_Sam> there are no viruses for linux?
[04:14] <SQL_Sam> that is cool if it is true
[04:14] <bob2> SQL_Sam: there's about 3, none of which will hit sensible people
[04:15] <SQL_Sam> what about spyware?
[04:15] <LinuxJones> SQL_Sam, just a few and if you stick to the Ubuntu repositories you don't have to worry about it
[04:15] <bob2> oolon: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[04:15] <bob2> SQL_Sam: how could there be spyware?
[04:15] <LinuxJones> SQL_Sam, same :)
[04:15] <oolon> thanks bob2
[04:15] <SQL_Sam> gotta love linux ;)
[04:15] <karljp> jones: that's bold, they hacked debian remember
[04:15] <Chipzz> karljp: apt-get install grep-dctrl ; grep-status "" -s Suggests -s Recommends
[04:15] <jfk303> djm62, I'm only joking- far too tired
[04:15] <djm62> SQL_Sam: if it becomes a problem, it will be all over the blogs in seconds
[04:15] <JNuke> bob2: operation not permited
[04:16] <Chipzz> you may want to do something like 'grep-status "" -s Suggests -s Recommends | sort -u' though
[04:16] <bob2> JNuke: show me your prompt, what you typed, and what error you got
[04:16] <SQL_Sam> i was worried about trojans from the web - but i guess they are all for windows huh?
[04:16] <djm62> jfk303: I support independence for yorkshire too ;)
[04:16] <bob2> that will be 2 lines of text
[04:16] <aimaz> I have changed my processor and motherboard to amd64 since I installed ubuntu, how do I change my system to use amd64 instead of i386 packages?
[04:16] <bob2> SQL_Sam: how could they work on linux?  no browser on linux is going to randomly run crap from websites
[04:16] <bob2> aimaz: you have to reinstall
[04:16] <abbot45> you guys probably hear this all the time, but i just installed and i cant get my resolution above 640x480.
[04:17] <Chipzz> karljp: though the output of that may be a little more than you bargained for ;P
[04:17] <bugz_> anybody here have a Windows 2000 Pro CD?
[04:17] <SQL_Sam> and you wonder why people use windows at all.....  :-)
[04:17] <aimaz> bob2, I can't just hack it in somehow? :(
[04:17] <nickrud> abbot45, yeah we do, and probably can help :)
[04:17] <bob2> abbot45: please ask on the user list
[04:17] <jfk303> djm62, :) I'm still laughing, I can hardly type
[04:17] <bob2> aimaz: no
[04:17] <bob2> bugz_: that doesn't seem very on-topic
[04:17] <Linforcer> what's up with that backports thing?
[04:17] <djm62> SQL_Sam: almost everything aims at hitting windows, there are few vulnerabilities for linux (this will probably stay the same), few bits of malware target them (this will probably change), and patches are available quickly (probably stay the same)
[04:17] <JNuke> bob2: root@Liaden:/usr/src # sudo modprobe ndiswrapper
[04:17] <JNuke> FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/drivers/net/net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko): Operation not permitted
[04:17] <Linforcer> It' s down or something?
[04:17] <bob2> Linforcer: don't use them
[04:17] <Linforcer> oh
[04:17] <bob2> JNuke: lord
[04:17] <Linforcer> yeah
[04:17] <bob2> JNuke: why are you root?
[04:17] <Linforcer> where will I get my java
[04:17] <Linforcer> :p
[04:18] <bob2> Linforcer: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[04:18] <bob2> I'd strongly recommend staying away from the backports repositories
[04:18] <Linforcer> been there, I should install the warty one?
[04:18] <karljp> chipzz: excellent, that seems like I can beat it into shape
[04:18] <dazed> Linforcer: www.ubuntuguide.org has a nice howto on java
[04:18] <flex_> JNuke: does it still work?
[04:18] <Linforcer> well, I dont have a choice anymore
[04:18] <SQL_Sam> it's funny how come you never hear this debate in slashdot when people are ranting about windows
[04:18] <JNuke> flex_: does what still work?
[04:19] <Linforcer> I get 500 internal server errors so.. :p
[04:19] <flex_> JNuke: ndiswrapper
[04:19] <Linforcer> and dazed ubuntuguide TELLS me to use backports
[04:19] <Linforcer> unlike some days ago
[04:19] <Linforcer> now I want to do it like I did some days ago
[04:19] <bob2> Linforcer: ignore that bit of the ubuntu guide
[04:19] <bob2> it's silly
[04:19] <JNuke> flex, it's what I'm trying
[04:19] <bob2> JNuke: please login as a normal user and try again
[04:19] <Linforcer> then what?
[04:20] <Jeezis> i'm trying to set up my mini-pci wireless card
[04:20] <Linforcer> njust what the other thing said
[04:20] <Jeezis> this is the readout when i do 'iwconfig'
[04:20] <Linforcer> adding warty java and warty universe?
[04:20] <Linforcer> oh well
[04:20] <JNuke> bob2, I'm logged in as a normal user
[04:20] <Jeezis> wlan0     IEEE 802.11g  ESSID:"Jeezis"
[04:20] <Jeezis>           Mode:Managed  Frequency:2.462 GHz  Access Point: 00:09:5B:97:B9:40
[04:20] <Jeezis>           Bit Rate:54 Mb/s   Tx-Power:-2147483648 dBm
[04:20] <Jeezis>           RTS thr:2347 B   Fragment thr:2346 B
[04:20] <Jeezis>           Power Management:off
[04:20] <Jeezis>           Link Quality:100/100  Signal level:-27 dBm  Noise level:-256 dBm
[04:20] <Jeezis>           Rx invalid nwid:0  Rx invalid crypt:0  Rx invalid frag:0
[04:20] <Jeezis>           Tx excessive retries:0  Invalid misc:0   Missed beacon:0
[04:20] <bob2> JNuke: why does it say "root" then?
[04:20] <bob2> Jeezis: please paste stuf in #flood, not here
[04:21] <Jeezis> ?
[04:21] <Jeezis> i'm just trying to get help
[04:21] <bob2> yes, I know
[04:21] <bob2> if you have to paste stuff for people to see, do it in #flood, not here
[04:21] <Jeezis> bob2: ok
[04:22] <bob2> JNuke: login as a normal user and try again
[04:22] <JNuke> how about this then? johnny@Liaden:~$ modprobe ndiswrapper
[04:22] <bob2> again, no
[04:22] <bob2> sudo modprobe ndiswrapper
[04:22] <djm62> JNuke: the idea is to use sudo
[04:23] <bob2> I'm pretty sure the howto says that
[04:23] <ShadowRage> are there any ppp dialers for ubuntu?
[04:23] <flex_> is there media you can add to apt-get?
[04:23] <Linforcer> So erm, shouyld I remove the warty java and warty universe sources after java is installed or should they not cause a problem?
[04:23] <bob2> ShadowRage: yes, use pppconfig to set it up, and pon and poff to turn it on and off
[04:23] <black_Nightmare> I know this is a long shot but any of you know any mini-pci card site that also has realtek rj45 and adaptec U160 cards? [NOT pci] 
[04:23] <ShadowRage> bob2: any graphical dialers?
[04:23] <JNuke> bob2, it gives me the same error.
[04:23] <djm62> ShadowRage: System->Administration->Networking provides the gnome interface
[04:23] <bob2> ShadowRage: probably, but I dunno
[04:23] <bob2> JNuke: show me
[04:23] <black_Nightmare> I knew I actually saw one several months ago..I'm keep wishing I had bookmarked it -- I've been like at google for over half hour to no lead at all
[04:23] <black_Nightmare> :|
[04:24] <ShadowRage> I can live with doing that, but I'd prefer something I can remember to turn off
[04:24] <JNuke> johnny@Liaden:~$ sudo modprobe ndiswrapper
[04:24] <JNuke> FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/drivers/net/net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko): Operation not permitted
[04:24] <bob2> JNuke: what does 'whoami' print out?
[04:24] <JNuke> it prints 'johnny'
[04:25] <bob2> JNuke: what does 'uname -a' print out?
[04:25] <ShadowRage> bob2: gppp still part of gnome 2?
[04:25] <bob2> I don't know
[04:26] <JNuke> Linux Liaden 2.6.10-5-386 #1 Tue Apr 5 12:12:40 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
[04:27] <black_Nightmare> hm guess not
[04:28] <Jeezis> hmm, kwifimanager is running, and iwconfig detects my wireless card
[04:29] <^vir^> back
[04:29] <ryman> hi guys whats the command to delete dir ?
[04:29] <ryman> deldir ?
[04:29] <bob2> JNuke: nothing in the user list archives?
[04:29] <^vir^> rox-filer looks nice
[04:29] <bob2> ryman: rmdir blah
[04:29] <Jeezis> but when i try to change something using iwconfig it say SET failed on device wlan0 ; no such device
[04:29] <ryman> bob2|  thanks
[04:29] <Levander> Anybody use a cvs or svn repository to version their administrative configuration changes?
[04:30] <bob2> Levander: neither are really usable, since they don't store permissions or ownership
[04:30] <bob2> cfengine2 is probably more like what you want
[04:30] <Levander> ah, cool
[04:30] <JNuke> bob2: which would be where? I've been in linux for a grand total of 2 hours...
[04:30] <bob2> JNuke: http://lists.ubuntu.com/
[04:30] <Levander> but wouldn't the user's umask be good enough to set the permissions when you've taken something out of the versioning repository?
[04:31] <ryman> how do I unmount somehting ?
[04:31] <bob2> Levander: no
[04:31] <Levander> just would rather use one versioning control system for everything, rather than a specific one for sysadmin tasks.
[04:31] <ryman> sudo unmnt ?
[04:31] <bob2> ryman: umount
[04:31] <ryman> bob2|  thanks
[04:31] <Levander> bob2: okay, i'm gonna go read about cfengine2
[04:32] <lifeless> bob2: hey
[04:32] <JNuke> bob2, dont see anything...
[04:32] <lifeless> bob2: you in syd ?
[04:32] <Levander> hey, what's this about webmin being installed on my system?  Is it easy to pull up webmin on my machine in a browser?  What would be the URL?
[04:33] <bob2> lifeless: on my way soon
[04:33] <djm62> Levander: have you installed webmin?
[04:33] <Levander> djm62: no, but it says "starting webmin" when I boot my system
[04:33] <djm62> Levander: the default port is 10000, so http://localhost:10000
[04:34] <Levander> djm62: is it run from under apache, or is it it's own server?
[04:34] <bob2> lifeless: kinda dreading a week of sleep deprivation + sickness
[04:34] <djm62> I'm not sure
[04:34] <djm62> bob2: hardware support has improved since the 90s!
[04:34] <lifeless> bob2: much better scheduled that last time
[04:34] <Levander> well, it's there, but i'm on my other machine now, and it's saying "access denied".  have to figure out how to open up that access i guess
[04:35] <Levander> access denied to my ip*
[04:35] <ShadowRage> bob2: what are the ubuntu repositories again?
[04:35] <Levander> ShadowRage: it's where all the ubuntu packages are stored
[04:35] <bob2> lifeless: 9am starts Conflict with getting better, tho ;)
[04:35] <bob2> lifeless: hopefully the schedule ends early each night
[04:35] <ShadowRage> Levander: I mean.. what is the url to them
[04:35] <bob2> ShadowRage: how do you mean?
[04:35] <ryman> /dev/hda5       /home/ryman/Movies  vfat    umask=000       0       0
[04:35] <ryman> /dev/hdb       /home/ryman/Storage  vfat    umask=000       0
[04:35] <lifeless> 2015 is the end of the last session daily
[04:36] <Resonant> Anyone know of a good router-based distrobution, one that comes with everything I need?
[04:36] <ryman> I can't see any files in the second partition
[04:36] <Levander> ShadowRage: you are trying to set up your sources.list?
[04:36] <Resonant> Besides of Ubuntu of course ;-)
[04:36] <ryman> what did I do wrong ?
[04:36] <djm62> Resonant: one comes in linksys routers :-/
[04:36] <bob2> lifeless: haha, a mere 11 hours a day
[04:36] <ShadowRage> Levander: gonna grab a package I'll need to get online later
[04:36] <Resonant> Bah. I dont want to buy a commercial router
[04:36] <Resonant> I have a spare old computer
[04:37] <Levander> http://archive.ubuntu.com - but not positive that's what you're looking for
[04:37] <ShadowRage> Levander: that would be it
[04:37] <djm62> nights
[04:37] <jubei> Hello. X wont start "(EE) Configured Mouse: cannot open input device    No core pointer"
[04:38] <saik0> greets
[04:38] <saik0> Is there a file somewhere where I can look at and edit the printers that were auto detected?
[04:39] <ShadowRage> Levander: can you do me a favor, see if gnome dialer is in ubuntu universe or multiverse
[04:39] <IIIEars_>  11anything
[04:39] <SQL_Sam> how do you make vlc the default media player?
[04:39] <limer> :X vlc
[04:39] <jubei> this happens when I add the line Option      "Protocol" "evdev" to my xorg.conf. Why wont X start?
[04:40] <Linforcer> so this gnome menu-editor in the  guide just edits the applications menu. anyone know of a tool to edit places or system menus?
[04:40] <ShadowRage> makes it easier when it comes to backing up data
[04:40] <ShadowRage> or upgrading stuff
[04:41] <ShadowRage> was waiting for a good dist :O
[04:41] <ShadowRage> I need warty
[04:41] <ShadowRage> er
[04:41] <ShadowRage> hoary
[04:41] <nickrud> Linforcer, you can add places from inside the file selector dialog, I don't know of anywhere else
[04:41] <karljp> anyone know how to make nano not my default editor?
[04:42] <jubei> If I wanted to post the above question on ubuntu boards would it be a hardware or application question?
[04:42] <Linforcer> nickrud oh yeah, thats true thanks
[04:42] <karljp> set | grep -i edit and env | grep -i edit don't show it up,
[04:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> karljp its in path
[04:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> i think
[04:42] <nickrud> karljp, either EDITOR in ./etc/profile, or sudo update-alternatives --config editor
[04:42] <ryman> how do I change the skin for xmms ?
[04:42] <karljp> nickrud: but shouldn't stuff in /etc/profile go into my own env vars?
[04:43] <ShadowRage> bob2: is chestnut dialer in ubuntu's package tree?
[04:43] <karljp> I mean, I should have an EDITOR in my set and env output right?
[04:43] <nickrud> karljp, it's not?
[04:43] <karljp> nick: nope
[04:44] <karljp> and it's not in /etc/profile either
[04:44] <nickrud> karljp, well, I'm the only one on my machine & I do the --config editor thing
[04:44] <Linforcer> oh, man... I can' t believe GnomeBaker or the CD/DVD creator can' t create and burn an image because the files in it have umlauts and stuff
[04:44] <Linforcer> thst is so lame
[04:44] <Linforcer> ow well
[04:46] <flex_> can gnomebaker burn audio cds from mp3
[04:46] <bob2> ShadowRage: I haven't heard of that before
[04:46] <bob2> Linforcer: file a bug
[04:46] <Linforcer> bob2 will do
[04:46] <limer> you know, Miller High Life really isn't bad once you're drunk enough to not taste it
[04:47] <ShadowRage> bob2: http://chestnut-dialer.sourceforge.net/gtk2-screenshots.html
[04:47] <Linforcer> bob2 searched for bugs, bug already filed
[04:51] <ircbot_> is there an apt for flash?
[04:51] <Linforcer> O.o
[04:51] <bob2> ircbot_: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[04:51] <bob2> (please read the FAQ)
[04:51] <ircbot_> ...
[04:52] <Linforcer> You need a bot for that kind of thing
[04:52] <Linforcer> where you can be all like "!info [userrname]  [topic] "
[04:52] <bob2> so people can ignore the bot like they do the faq, and the howto and the list archive and the website?
[04:52] <holycow> bob2, hehe :)
[04:52] <Linforcer> it' ll pm them
[04:52] <bob2> that's obnoxious
[04:52] <Linforcer> worked for me when I first wanted to install debian
[04:53] <nickrud> karljp, sorry I disappeared or seemed to give a short answer, I was working with someone on another channel
[04:53] <Linforcer> I came in there, asked something
[04:53] <nickrud> karljp, did you get your editor set right?
[04:53] <Linforcer> they did some command, nifty pm explaining step by step what to do
[04:53] <Linforcer> it wasn' t obnoxious and I didn' t ignore irt
[04:53] <karljp> nick, yeah that worked, seems ubuntu doesn't use the EDITOR var,
[04:53] <Linforcer> it*
[04:54] <karljp> t uses sensible-editor
[04:54] <KarlosII> is it just me or has there not been any updates for hoary recently?
[04:54] <bob2> KarlosII: it's released
[04:54] <bob2> KarlosII: this is what happens
[04:54] <bob2> KarlosII: the only updates in future will be fore serious bugs or security problems
[04:54] <Linforcer> By the way, if it says multiverse is "non-free" does that mean non-free or simply non-GPL?
[04:55] <bob2> non-free
[04:55] <nickrud> karljp, yes it does. or it's supposed to.
[04:55] <bob2> as in it's not freely distributable
[04:55] <Linforcer> alright
[04:55] <bob2> but you can probably at least use it
[04:55] <karljp> well, EDITOR overrides
[04:55] <KarlosII> ah I see
[04:55] <karljp> but it falls back to sensible-editor
[04:55] <Linforcer> so there are non-GPL free sources in universe?
[04:55] <KarlosII> Now I understand
[04:55] <nickrud> karljp, I would hope so :)
[04:55] <karljp> nick :)
[04:55] <bob2> Linforcer: there's non-GPL Free stuff in main
[04:55] <karljp> just not what I was used to.
[04:56] <Linforcer> bob2 I see. I had no idea.
[04:56] <bob2> Linforcer: GPL software is a subset of Free Software
[04:56] <bob2> X isn't GPL, for instance
[04:56] <bob2> er, X.org and XFree86
[04:56] <Linforcer> xD really? I'm so ignorant
[04:56] <saik0> so where does gnome keep it's autodectected printer settings
[04:56] <karljp> damn hippies
[04:56] <Linforcer> they have their own license?
[04:56] <karljp> THE GPL IS NOT THE BE ALL AND END ALL OF FREE SOFTWARE
[04:56] <Linforcer> karijp I know
[04:56] <nickrud> karljp, sorry, jumped out, yeah sensible-editor is a script in /usr/bin, it's easy to read
[04:57] <bob2> Linforcer: they use the MIT/X11 license, which is very similar to the BSD license
[04:57] <Linforcer> bob2: oh right, that no advertisements clause it has
[04:57] <BrettMeister> Hi, folks!
[04:57] <Linforcer> Because the new BSD license is GPL compatible
[04:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi
[04:57] <shawnh> hi
[04:57] <bob2> Linforcer: right, mit/x11 and 3-clause bsd don't have the advertising clause
[04:57] <shawnh> what is new folks
[04:58] <[Outlaw] > I just tried Ubuntu on my Powerbook... very impressed on the whole
[04:58] <[Outlaw] > Shame WPA support is hopeless
[04:58] <BrettMeister> I just used synaptics to download and install K3b.  It shows as installed in synaptics; but, I'm not finding it on my applications lists.  Ideas?
[04:58] <bob2> [Outlaw] : that depends on your chipset, aiui
[04:58] <Dr_Willis> BrettMeister,  run it from the shell 'k3b' is the command
[04:59] <Linforcer> Man... I swear. Ubuntu is teh second best distrobution if you don't mind waiting loooong, and the best if you do.
[04:59] <[Outlaw] > bob2: It's a Netgear WG511. It's all detected, but setting up WPA authentication is horrible... there is no reason I should have to hack around in various .conf files to get it to work
[04:59] <BrettMeister> Dr_Willis, Thanks!  So that's the only way for me to run it?
[04:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> brettmeister. install the "menu" package, it will be in the new menu
[04:59] <Dr_Willis> waiting long? waiting for what?
[04:59] <[Outlaw] > Maybe I'll try it again in a few months when WPA is as supported as WEP
[04:59] <Dr_Willis> BrettMeister,  make an icon for it. :P
[04:59] <Linforcer> Dr_Willis I would consider Gentoo ebtter if it werent for how long it takes to install
[05:00] <BrettMeister> Kamping_Kaiser, Make that install through synaptics?
[05:00] <Dr_Willis> Linforcer,  ive used gentoo.. in many ways i consider ubuntu better.
[05:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes
[05:00] <Linforcer> DR_willis name ' em
[05:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> or apt
[05:00] <Linforcer> (plese)
[05:00] <Linforcer> please*
[05:00] <bob2> [Outlaw] : sure, and I want a pony
[05:00] <bob2> [Outlaw] : you can send patches, you kno w;)
[05:00] <BrettMeister> Thanks, everyone.
[05:00] <Linforcer> (what is WITH my typing today?)
[05:01] <Dr_Willis> Depends on  your needs.. Some people want a more tough out system for how gnome works with the tools.. others want a more "standard to the gnome you get from the source way" -
[05:01] <Dr_Willis> i can use ubuntu and it basiciallty fits my needs out of the box. with very little twiddling.
[05:01] <andrek> anyone know of a scp client with gui?
[05:01] <bob2> andrek: nautilus can do sftp
[05:01] <andrek> how?
[05:01] <[Outlaw] > Well, Redhat's network manager looks very promising
[05:01] <Linforcer> Dr_willis yeah, but the Gentoo tree has so much more than Ubuntu's
[05:02] <bob2> andrek: open the url sftp://user@host/home/user/
[05:02] <Dr_Willis> Linforcer,  more that i dont need. :P
[05:02] <saik0> I sit in the switched from gentoo camp as well
[05:02] <Amaranth> Linforcer: gentoo also appearently breaks gstreamer :)
[05:02] <Linforcer> Dr_willis anyway, heck I'm not using Gentoo and /using/ Ubuntu for a reason :P
[05:02] <Dr_Willis> gentoo often breaks things.. but they do tend to get fixed the next day. :P
[05:03] <Linforcer> haha
[05:03] <Linforcer> little GNOMEs come do it at night
[05:03] <Amaranth> Linforcer: If you're a gentoo user and could explain this to me I'd be greatful, I get users asking for help with this
[05:03] <Linforcer> Amaranth I' m not I just hear and see a lot from a Gentoo user friend
[05:03] <Amaranth> It doesn't create gstreamer's gconf entries in /system/gstreamer/0.8/default
[05:03] <Amaranth> oh
[05:05] <dazed> i need something to do ! lol
[05:06] <Linforcer> Anyway, anyone who' s new to Linux I would tell to use Ubuntu anyway. It's the first distro that made me toss out ol windows and say bye to dualbooting
[05:06] <ShadowRage> bob2: does ubuntu have gqradio?
[05:07] <bob2> ShadowRage: don't think so
[05:07] <bob2> you can find that out from the ubuntu website, tho
[05:08] <ShadowRage> who do I go to to get packages added to ubuntu?
[05:08] <ShadowRage> gqradio = the sex
[05:08] <Linforcer> hm, what does this -t hoary argument for apt-get do? exclude any sources that have hoary in it?
[05:08] <ShadowRage> if you have a radio tuner like I do :X
[05:08] <bob2> Linforcer: no, read the manpage
[05:08] <bob2> Linforcer: it tells apt to try to get the version from hoary
[05:08] <Linforcer> obob2 was just thinking that
[05:08] <BrettMeister> Newbie working on tweaks here.  The easy menu way of looking at screen resolution settings won't let me make changes.  Ideas on how?
[05:08] <Linforcer> bob2 was just thinking that to both sentences
[05:09] <Linforcer> typed the question before thinking :(
[05:09] <Linforcer> nasty habit
[05:09] <BrettMeister> ...from the screen menu.
[05:10] <Linforcer> >.>
[05:10] <Linforcer> losslessness galore ey
[05:10] <ShadowRage> argh
[05:10] <ShadowRage> what the fuck?
[05:10] <ShadowRage> they have gqmpeg gqcam
[05:10] <ShadowRage> but no gqradio
[05:10] <ShadowRage> wtf
[05:10] <darkaudit> ShadowRage: you have universe & multiverse enabled in your sources.list?
[05:11] <ShadowRage> only universe
[05:11] <saik0> so does anybody know this mysterious conf file where the gnome print manager keeps it's autodetected printers?
[05:11] <bob2> I doubt it stores it in a config file
[05:12] <saik0> bob2, say it is'nt so
[05:12] <mattscott> join #linux
[05:12] <DanglyBits> trying to install new theme from gnome-look.org..I have downloaded a tar.gz file...How do i open it?
[05:12] <ShadowRage> darkaudit: it's in none of the repositories
[05:12] <ShadowRage> hrmm
[05:12] <^thehatsrule^> hey guys... is there a cli command to see your computer specs?
[05:13] <bob2> no
[05:13] <flex_>  DanglyBits: tar zxvf filename
[05:13] <andrek> scp program with gui?
[05:13] <darkaudit> ShadowRage: I'm googling it now... usually it'd be listed on the Ubuntu site... but not this time
[05:13] <ShadowRage> darkaudit: http://gqmpeg.sourceforge.net/radio.html
[05:14] <flex_> yay ive got ubuntu iso
[05:14] <DanglyBits> flex_: thanks
[05:14] <bob2> andrek: use nautilus as I told you before
[05:14] <andrek> can't get it working
[05:14] <bob2> then explain what's wrong
[05:14] <bob2> instead of going off on another tangent
[05:15] <darkaudit> ShadowRage: doesn't help me... local radio here sucks... switched to XM :)
[05:15] <andrek> well, i type the adress and login
[05:15] <andrek> but nothing happens
[05:15] <bob2> no window pops up at all?
[05:16] <ShadowRage> darkaudit: of course I could always compile a source package ;D
[05:16] <ryman> hi guys , how do I change xmms skin ?
[05:16] <ShadowRage> whatever, I gotta go
[05:16] <ShadowRage> prolly transfer parts and stuff to another computer tomorrow, back up everything to free partitions and install ubuntu.
[05:16] <ShadowRage> later.
[05:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> bye
[05:17] <saik0> darkaudit, the radio still sucks, eh?
[05:17] <andrek> bob2, no
[05:17] <andrek> but anyways
[05:17] <andrek> gFTP does it for me
[05:18] <bob2> ryman: right click on the body
[05:18] <mainer> andrek: try putty
[05:18] <andrek> putty for linux?
[05:18] <mainer> yes
[05:19] <mainer> they have a linux version
[05:19] <darkaudit> saik0: I listen to local radio for Steelers, Pirates, & WVU... that's about it...
[05:19] <hypno> jebus, can you get any easier than `ssh username@hostname`
[05:19] <geneo93> bob2:  why doesn't ubuntu have gnomeradio
[05:20] <saik0> darkaudit, I listen to NPR on occasion. I'm not sure if that falls into 'local' radio
[05:21] <smouche> I can't get mplayer to play stuff off the npr site; mplayer sucks in general.
[05:22] <SQL_Sam> what is the npr site?
[05:22] <smouche> National Public Radio
[05:23] <darkaudit> hmm... Ubuntu's mlnet from the mldonkey package gets banned all over the place... compile a new mlnet and bans lifted... didn't change any of the config files
[05:23] <smouche> in the US, a network for public radio.
[05:23] <SQL_Sam> im from AZ - lol but i thought it was something else
[05:23] <kakakeke> hi!!!!!!!!!
[05:23] <kakakeke> i am french
[05:24] <SQL_Sam> hola!
[05:24] <ryman> bob2|  where do I put the skin that I downloaded ?
[05:24] <Linforcer> Is that your best quality?
[05:24] <ryman> or how do I load it ?
[05:24] <Linforcer> Since you're advertising it so loudly
[05:24] <smouche> well, I listen to French radio too -- at least I don't need mplayer for Radio France!
[05:24] <kakakeke> yes
[05:24] <Linforcer> xD
[05:24] <kakakeke> it's good
[05:25] <Linforcer> Hey! I'm not far from france :P
[05:25] <] BreliC[> SQL_Sam, hehe, hola is not french ;)
[05:25] <Linforcer> Well, I wouldn' t say I' m close either.
[05:25] <ruukia> I need help... my computer hangs (ie blank screen) when I try to restart ... this prob wasn't there before and I dunno why its there now ... I compared my old xorg.conf with new one and nothing has changed .. someone plz help!
[05:25] <darkaudit> smouche: your mplayer off the ubuntu repo, or did you roll your own?
[05:25] <smouche> repo, darkaudit.
[05:25] <saik0> ] BreliC[, I'm sure he meant ohayo
[05:25] <smouche> which one exactly, at this point, I don't know!
[05:26] <kakakeke> and
[05:26] <kakakeke> why speak french here
[05:26] <smouche> or aloha.
[05:26] <smouche> pourquoi pas?
[05:26] <] BreliC[> heh, or even Guten Abend
[05:26] <darkaudit> smouche: I've gotten better results by rolling my own .deb... the devels recommend it, and include instructions in the source
[05:27] <Linforcer> parce que c' est pas gentil pour les gens qui ne comprens pas (pardon my french OMGPUN)
[05:27] <bob2> geneo93: because no one packaged it yet.  do you want to?
[05:27] <smouche> darkaudit -- thanks, I'll try
[05:27] <bob2> ryman: ~/.xmms/Skins/
[05:27] <bob2> ryman: but I'm pretty sure xmms has some documentation
[05:27] <bob2> this is an english channel, folks
[05:28] <darkaudit> smouche: http://www.princessleia.com/MPlayer.html
[05:28] <geneo93> bob2 ubuntu has to new of libs for the one i have
[05:28] <kakakeke_> why speak french here
[05:28] <kakakeke_> ??
[05:28] <darkaudit> get the packes the page suggests... not all those switches to compile will work
[05:28] <dazed_> why not kakakeke_
[05:28] <bob2> smouche: mplayer is already in Ubuntu
[05:29] <bob2> dazed_: this is an english channel.  try #ubuntu-fr.
[05:29] <kakakeke_> yes
[05:29] <kakakeke_> ok
[05:29] <kakakeke_> thank you
[05:29] <smouche> yes, bob2.  You missed darkaudit's point, I think.
[05:29] <dazed_> damn well pee on u then
[05:29] <DanglyBits> how do i install new themes for ubuntu?
[05:29] <bob2> smouche: his point is invalid
[05:29] <bob2> there's no point to recompiling it
[05:29] <ryman> bob2|  thanks
[05:29] <dazed_> i just figured it was a general ubu channel i dont care if anyone speaks french
[05:29] <darkaudit> bob2: they're generic... the mplayer developers suggest that one compile their own for best results
[05:30] <kakakeke_> ok
[05:30] <bob2> the mplayer developers are...interesting
[05:30] <kakakeke_> the channel#unbuntu-fr
[05:30] <kakakeke_> is ok
[05:30] <kakakeke_> thank you
[05:30] <ryman> I have question about the windows. How do I make it like when I go into a new folder. it opens about windows instead of the _self window
[05:30] <kcbnac> Grrr.  I followed the instructions at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto for instructions on howto install 3D drivers (in this case the binary only ones) for my ATI Radeon 9600XT...it broke X :-(
[05:30] <smouche> bob2 -- what's up your but -- driving off the foreigners (one line in French and he's persona non grata -- that's a phrase used in english,btw--
[05:30] <bob2> smouche: huh?
[05:30] <bob2> I'm not driving anyone off
[05:30] <smouche> and you're arguing with friendly advise about an alternative to repos mplayer?
[05:30] <bob2> I'm pointing people at places that will better be able to help them
[05:31] <saik0> DanglyBits, metacity themes? icon themes? GTK2 themes?
[05:31] <bob2> I'm pointing out that you're going to extra hassle for no reason
[05:31] <bob2> you're obviously free to do whatever you want
[05:31] <kcbnac> I reselected the ATI rather than the fglrx for video, rerunning the config on X.
[05:31] <darkaudit> bob2: and the mplayer I compiled supported more of my hardware's capabilities than the ubuntu-packaged one meant for my processor...
[05:31] <bob2> darkaudit: e.g.?
[05:32] <bob2> oh, blah, do whatever you want
[05:32] <smouche> bob2 -- I work with people with varying English language skills every day, its my profession -- you may be helping them more by encouraging them to stick around
[05:32] <Amaranth> If he says something about SSE or MMX I think I might puke. ;)
[05:32] <kcbnac> But I want (okay need) 3D support under Ubuntu.  Anybody know howto install it?  the wiki instructions didn't do it.
[05:32] <smouche> they may be able to cope in an English language channel better than you realize
[05:32] <DanglyBits> saik): i guess they must be gtk themes..the ones found under Systems>Preferences>Theme
[05:32] <DanglyBits> saik0: i guess they must be gtk themes..the ones found under Systems>Preferences>Theme
[05:32] <bob2> smouche: if they're actually speaking frenchin here, than I'd hazard they'd be happier in a french-speaking channel
[05:32] <darkaudit> Amaranth: well, they weren't on in the k7 package... :)
[05:33] <Amaranth> darkaudit: Have you ever seen Gentoo? :)
[05:33] <kcbnac> I want to play UT2004, not just listen to the music :-/
[05:33] <SQL_Sam> is there a short cut key to switch between desktops?
[05:33] <smouche> bob2 -- "speaking french" here was one line, I believe.  You could ignore it.  it disrupted nothing.
[05:33] <bob2> ok!
[05:33] <darkaudit> Amaranth: seen it... almost installed it...
[05:33] <bob2> I'm totally wrong.
[05:33] <bob2> SQL_Sam: you can set one in the keybindings preference window
[05:34] <saik0> DanglyBits, gnome-look.org is a good place to start. unpack it it ~/.themes/
[05:34] <LinuxJones> SQL_Sam, ctrl+alt+arrow keys
[05:34] <SQL_Sam> cool
[05:34] <Amaranth> saik0: You don't even have to unpack it.
[05:34] <DanglyBits> saik0: what file am i looking to install once i unpack the theme?
[05:34] <SQL_Sam> not working...
[05:35] <Amaranth> saik0: The Theme window has an "Install Theme" button that you point at the .tar.gz file and it installs it for you.
[05:36] <Q_Continuum> any help installing ATI 3D drivers?  binary or free?
[05:36] <Dr_Willis> hmm they were rather easy to install. I followed tht binary driver guide.
[05:36] <Dr_Willis> but that was a few weeks ago.
[05:36] <saik0> Amaranth, nifty. I was under the impression that doing that just unpacked it
[05:37] <Q_Continuum> I followed it and upon reboot got the message that X crashed.
[05:37] <Dr_Willis> did you edit your X config?
[05:37] <Dr_Willis> did you backup your WORKING X config. :P is a better question.
[05:37] <Q_Continuum> I reran the setup yeah
[05:37] <Dr_Willis> reran the setup? i just edited the config file.
[05:37] <smouche> bob2, since evidently I'm supposed to infer there's nothing wrong with mplayer in the repos, is it a firefox issue that's making it flaky?
[05:37] <Q_Continuum> I reran it afterwords and just used ATI to get back to my desktop.
[05:37] <Dr_Willis> changed 1 line i recall
[05:37] <Q_Continuum> damn.
[05:38] <Q_Continuum> can ya take a look at the page and tell me what you did?  I haven't done anything in the notes.
[05:38] <Q_Continuum> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:38] <Q_Continuum> For Hoary
[05:38] <Dr_Willis> I added the sources.. installed the things.. edited the x.org and changed the ati to 'flgrx' i think.
[05:39] <Q_Continuum> hrm.
[05:39] <Dr_Willis> took me all of.. say 20 sec. :P
[05:39] <Dr_Willis> i was amazed
[05:40] <Q_Continuum> well I just did it again (manual this time)
[05:40] <Dr_Willis> that site is rather.. concise. :P and to the point on what to do lol. :P
[05:40] <Q_Continuum> So time to restart X.
[05:40] <Q_Continuum> errr load the module.
[05:41] <Q_Continuum> should I have to restart or restart X, after loading the module and editing my X config?
[05:41] <Q_Continuum> (installed module in previous boot)
[05:41] <geneo93> yes
[05:41] <Q_Continuum> mmmkay
[05:41] <Q_Continuum> back soon.
[05:41] <Dr_Willis> when you first install the moduiles it needs a reboot i think i read.
[05:41] <Q_Continuum> I did that on a previous boot.
[05:41] <Dr_Willis> then edit the configs and do an "alt-ctrl-backspace" to kill off X
[05:42] <geneo93> to late
[05:42] <Dr_Willis> then dance a jig. :P
[05:42] <Dr_Willis> and run around the block naked.
[05:42] <lc> What is a good mp3 decoder?
[05:43] <nickrud> lc, mpg123, mpg321 both work
[05:43] <nickrud> unless I misunderstood the question :)
[05:44] <Q_Continuum> How can I tell if it's the one thats loaded now?  restarted X.
[05:44] <] BreliC[> what is it again to redirect messages to null in bash?  2>/dev/null ?
[05:44] <geneo93> Q_Continuum:  run glxgears
[05:45] <Q_Continuum> works.
[05:46] <Q_Continuum> yaaay.
[05:47] <nickrud> gee, seems quiet. does everybody's everthings work :)
[05:48] <geneo93> nickrud:  no working on gnomeradio
[05:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> no, just no one can get online ;)
[05:48] <nickrud> geneo93, that's hardware, not sofware, and you know my line :)
[05:48] <nickrud> good to see you though
[05:49] <geneo93> nickrud:  the hardware part is fine the software part is borked
[05:49] <geneo93> just cnat seem to get it to compile
[05:50] <nickrud> compile?
[05:50] <geneo93> well yes its not in ubuntu
[05:51] <nickrud> what's the first error you get (I'm feeling frisky, I'll take a chance :)
[05:51] <SQL_Sam> where do you set a video player as the default?
[05:51] <geneo93> No package 'libgnomeui-2.0' found
[05:52] <Chipzz> *sigh*
[05:52] <geneo93> i have 2.0-1
[05:52] <Chipzz> is there any way to get your mousecursor back in X after a fullscreen app crashes?
[05:53] <nickrud> do you have the -dev installed?
[05:53] <geneo93> hmm i believe so leme check
[05:53] <Chipzz> this is really getting on my nerves having to kill X each time that app crashes
[05:53] <Q_Continuum> now THAT is weird...
[05:54] <LinuxJones> Chipzz, what app is that ?
[05:54] <Q_Continuum> I go into my home folder...where there is a .UT2004 folder...I click on it and it disappears...
[05:54] <Chipzz> LinuxJones: in this case, mupen64, but other apps that run full screen and change the cursor will do that too
[05:54] <Q_Continuum> has a red X in the upper right corner
[05:54] <Q_Continuum> and a lock in the bottom right.
[05:54] <Chipzz> LinuxJones: SDL apps causing at the wrong moment for instance
[05:54] <Chipzz> s/causing/crashing/
[05:55] <Chipzz> entrance (enlightenments dm)
[05:55] <geneo93> nickrud:  nope
[05:55] <Chipzz> I can set it to the right resolution, but my mouse-cursor will just be invisible
[05:56] <nickrud> geneo93, try libgnomeui-dev
[05:56] <Q_Continuum> any help here?  folder that disappears when I click on it in file manager, has a red X in upper right corner, lock in bottom right...need to delete...but can't, it "doesn't exist"
[05:56] <LinuxJones> Chipzz, wish I could help :(  night all
[05:58] <flex_> whats the default root password when you install ubuntu
[05:58] <Chipzz> flex_: there is none
[05:58] <Q_Continuum> yaaaay Quake III starts!
[05:58] <optikal> flex_: you have to specify a password to use it
[05:58] <flex_> i do a su and enter nothing for password and it doesnt work
[05:58] <Q_Continuum> now to fix UT2004....
[05:58] <lc> How do I kill an app
[05:58] <lc> xmms isnt responding
[05:58] <Chipzz> use sudo su - followed by passwd to set one
[05:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> !! nice job q_continuum
[05:58] <optikal> flex_: try 'sudo passwd root'
[05:59] <Q_Continuum> now I'm hitting the problem I mentioned above, with the folder that disappears.
[05:59] <geneo93> felx use your user passwd
[05:59] <optikal> huh?
[05:59] <Q_Continuum> need to delete the folder (technically the files inside it)
[05:59] <Q_Continuum> folder that disappears when I click on it in file manager, has a red X in upper right corner, lock in bottom right...need to delete...but can't, it "doesn't exist"
[05:59] <nickrud> geneo93, did that help? and are you sure about the version of libgnomeui you gave me.
[06:00] <flex_> it asks for a password
[06:00] <flex_> the install never let you put one in
[06:00] <Chipzz> flex_: which is your own password
[06:00] <flex_> i have an account flex with a password and that password doesnt work for root
[06:00] <Chipzz> flex_: the password of the *user* that is
[06:00] <nickrud> Q_Continuum, go to the same directory in a folder, and do ls -l, if the file says it's owned by root, the file manager can't delete it
[06:00] <flex_> blank doesnt work either
[06:00] <nickrud> Q_Continuum, using a terminal :)
[06:00] <Chipzz> flex_: type 'sudo su -'
[06:01] <Q_Continuum> of course.
[06:01] <Q_Continuum> doesn't see it.
[06:01] <geneo93> nickrud:  its going to be awhile i'm on dun
[06:01] <nickrud> geneo93, ok
[06:01] <Chipzz> flex_: it will ask you for a password *which is YOUR OWN password*
[06:01] <Chipzz> subsequently, do passwd root
[06:01] <flex_> thanks
[06:01] <flex_> thats weird
[06:01] <Q_Continuum> what's the remove directory command? lol
[06:01] <sgoodwin> hello
[06:01] <Q_Continuum> (found the directory...had capitalization errors)
[06:01] <Q_Continuum> nm
[06:02] <sgoodwin>  I just installed ubuntu, I've been using gentoo
[06:02] <dsas> ********
[06:02] <Chipzz> flex_: no it isn't, not if you know what sudo is
[06:02] <dsas> whoops
[06:02] <Chipzz> ;)
[06:02] <nickrud> geneo93, by the way thats known as dsn
[06:02] <Chipzz> flex_: the whole purpose of sudo is being able to do stuff without knowing the root password
[06:03] <NigelS> Q_Continuum: rm -rf <dir>
[06:03] <Q_Continuum> thanks nigels, been ages since I've worked on a linux boxen. lol.
[06:03] <NigelS> :)
[06:03] <Q_Continuum> yAYYYYYY it starts
[06:03] <bluefoxicy>  http://usrbac.sourceforge.net/misc/ss_ubuntu_lone-ice.png  My theme of choice today :)
[06:03] <Q_Continuum> I think...
[06:03] <flex_> is there a progam to configure x with ubuntu?
[06:03] <lc> How do you kill an application thats locked up in X?
[06:04] <optikal> flex_: What is it your wanting to do?
[06:04] <flex_> change refresh rate
[06:04] <bluefoxicy> The values for background are HUE=200 SAT=45 BRIGHT=45, colorify first and then adjust bright/contrast
[06:04] <nickrud> lc, if alt ctl F! works, you can login and kill it from there
[06:04] <nickrud> if nowhere else
[06:04] <geneo93> nickrud:  i've never had anything but dialup ever
[06:04] <bluefoxicy> very lonely blue-grey ubuntu sparkle
[06:04] <nickrud> geneo93, its called D********* slow network
[06:04] <nickrud> :)
[06:05] <ubuntu> how do i list hidden windows shares in nautilus? i.e. c$, d$, etc.
[06:05] <Q_Continuum> YES!
[06:05] <lc> alt-ctrl-f doesnt do anything
[06:05] <geneo93> its even slower here
[06:05] <Q_Continuum> IT WORKS!
[06:05] <optikal> flex_: check /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[06:05] <optikal> under [Monitor] 
[06:05] <nickrud> I lived at the bottom of a 3k pipe for a year I know what you mean
[06:05] <NigelS> lc: if you press the close button for the app (this is in gnome) gnome will notice the app won't close and offer to kill it.  Alternatively you can load the system monitor and kill the process from there or from the command line type kill -9 <pid> or pkill -9 process name or killall -9 process name (not to be used on a bsd system) :)
[06:05] <flex_> theres nothing like drakX but for ubuntu?
[06:05] <optikal> Its just as easy to change in the config file, really.
[06:06] <optikal> I dont worry about using programs to do something that I can do faster than it can
[06:06] <Q_Continuum> Danka everyone that helped.  (UT2k4 needed the default incorrect config files blown away, hence the rm -rf)
[06:06] <dcraven> flex_: this site has info on adding refresh rates --> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[06:07] <lostone> how do i list hidden windows shares in nautilus? i.e. c$, d$, etc.
[06:07] <geneo93> nickrud:  its going to take over an hour
[06:07] <nickrud> geneo93, I do understand :)
[06:07] <NigelS> lc: when he said use ctrl-alt-f! the ! was in place of one char, e.g. the Function keys.  those shortcuts take you to virtual terminals. If X freezes completely you can always do that to be able to kill the offending processes.
[06:08] <sgoodwin> are any of you running nvidia with render accel working well?
[06:08] <dcraven> lostone: does CTRL-H work?
[06:08] <Anubis> Failed to fetch http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/backports/dists/hoary-extras/restricted/binary-i386/Packages.gz  500 Internal Server Error
[06:08] <nickrud> May not be here, but, if it works ....
[06:08] <lostone> dcraven: nup :(
[06:10] <geneo93> nickrud:  can dpkg install that after i compile it
[06:10] <nickrud> geneo93, no.
[06:10] <nickrud> ask people who compile a lot about checkinstall, it's probabley what you want
[06:10] <geneo93> or can i make a deb and sebd it to repsoitory
[06:11] <bob2> you can
[06:11] <geneo93> send
[06:11] <bob2> but that's a fair bit of work
[06:12] <geneo93> never realy used dpkg before so i dont know much just used rpm
[06:14] <nickrud> bob2, checkinstall would work for most local installs, right?
[06:14] <geneo93> well alien can create a deb from rpm
[06:15] <GammaRay> nickrud: yes
[06:15] <geneo93> maybe i could do that
[06:15] <nickrud> GammaRay, thanks, used it once or twice and it *worked for meI
[06:15] <GammaRay> checkinstall will create a deb and install it
[06:15] <bob2> nickrud: well, I'd just install to /usr/local instead, but yeah
[06:15] <bob2> well, I'd probably package it instead, but meh
[06:16] <Q_Continuum> anyone here work with cedega at all?
[06:16] <geneo93> from tar.gz or compiled source
[06:16] <nickrud> sum of us are skilled :)
[06:16] <geneo93> i'm not here anyway
[06:17] <Q_Continuum> trying to do my first install of a windows app (World of Warcraft) under cedega.
[06:17] <nickrud> I'm tired of dealing with unmanaged files on my system, I try to avoid it.
[06:17] <sgoodwin> Q_Continuum, I used cedega and WoW nicely with gentoo
[06:17] <sgoodwin> ain't tried it with cedega but I'd imagine it works well
[06:17] <geneo93> Q_Continuum:  try freecraft
[06:17] <Q_Continuum> how does one install it?  (I see by their site that it's supported)
[06:17] <jubei> Does ubuntu support evdev input for the mouse?
[06:17] <Q_Continuum> freecraft?  isn't that for the old ones...like War II etc?
[06:17] <NigelS> Q_Continuum: cedega ./setup.exe or so :)
[06:17] <Q_Continuum> mmmkay thanks
[06:18] <sgoodwin> Q_Continuum, put in cd 1, type cedega /media/cdrecorder/Installer.exe or w/e
[06:18] <sgoodwin> world of warcraft = mmorpg, not strategy like wII and such
[06:18] <Q_Continuum> damn.  cdega not found.
[06:18] <Q_Continuum> fsck.
[06:18] <Q_Continuum> hrm...where'd that end up...
[06:19] <NigelS> if you installed it, it will be in your path
[06:19] <NigelS> so..check your typing :)
[06:19] <Q_Continuum> lol
[06:21] <xelpud> are there any known problems with dhcp3-server (hoary) and it's dynamic dns support?
[06:22] <SQL_Sam> has anyone ever heard of cinelerra?
[06:22] <geneo93> SQL_Sam:  i have
[06:22] <SQL_Sam> have you tried it?
[06:22] <geneo93> yes
[06:22] <SQL_Sam> looking for a movie editro
[06:22] <bob2> xelpud: if there was, they would be in the bts
[06:23] <SQL_Sam> editor
[06:23] <SQL_Sam> anygood?
[06:23] <geneo93> yes
[06:23] <SQL_Sam> have you tried it in ubuntu?
[06:23] <geneo93> no
[06:24] <SQL_Sam> damn
[06:24] <geneo93> still working on things i use more oftain
[06:24] <geneo93> offten
[06:24] <SQL_Sam> i want to try it.....
[06:24] <SQL_Sam> i got the rpm
[06:24] <geneo93> well give it a try
[06:24] <dazed> SQL_Sam: then try it
[06:24] <dazed> it cant hur
[06:24] <dazed> tt
[06:24] <SQL_Sam> how do i install an rpm?
[06:24] <nickrud> geneo93, often? :)
[06:25] <Q_Continuum> Okay...this is an irritating thing...browsing the filesystem...I want a back button or something...
[06:25] <geneo93> SQL_Sam:  it has loads of depends
[06:25] <dazed> SQL_Sam: get alien and type 'alien -i ****.rpm'
[06:25] <geneo93> nickrud:  i know
[06:25] <SQL_Sam> k - got alien
[06:25] <sgoodwin> what's ubuntu's default installer method, .debs?
[06:25] <wbeck85> aye
[06:25] <mburns> of course
[06:25] <dazed> its a debian package based system sgoodwin
[06:25] <SQL_Sam> if this thing messes up how do i delete it?
[06:26] <mburns> reinstall ubuntu
[06:26] <mburns> :)
[06:26] <SQL_Sam> dont say that....
[06:26] <Q_Continuum> ahhhhh
[06:26] <Q_Continuum> cvscedega lol
[06:26] <Q_Continuum> *slaps himself*
[06:26] <wbeck85> can anyone point me to a thorough howto for compiling? the configure, make, make install stuff?
[06:27] <NigelS> wbeck85: sounds like you already know all you need to know :)
[06:27] <saik0> wbeck85, the tarball should have some Readme and INSTALL files that do that
[06:27] <dazed> wbeck85: thats basically it
[06:28] <dazed> ./configure && make && sudo make install and ur done
[06:28] <dazed> lol
[06:28] <nickrud> wbeck85, the hard part is figuring out what fails :)
[06:28] <NigelS> wbeck85: I'd not stick the commands together like that, not least of all because one step will usually fail the first few times :)
[06:28] <dazed> compiling a program is actually very easy
[06:29] <wbeck85> the problem is that Audacity isnt working right, it can't find my sound or something(plus it looks doggone ugly in the package from the repos), so i wanted to try compiling it from source
[06:29] <jubei> Does ubuntu support evdev input for the mouse? Is this a stupid question or does everyone just have no idea?
[06:29] <dazed> you got a compiler
[06:29] <dazed> g++ or something
[06:30] <sgoodwin> so if I have this .deb here, what do I need to do to install it?
[06:30] <nickrud> jubei, I do see evdev loaded as a module, so I would think so
[06:30] <jubei> =)
[06:30] <NigelS> sgoodwin: dpkg -i ./<file>
[06:30] <wbeck85> but that required compiling wxGTK from source cuz i apparently need it compiled without gtk2. But i dididnt reealize that until after compiling makeinstalling, but now i wanna remove it, and start afresh, and i remeber something about some clean command or flag?
[06:30] <NigelS> sgoodwin: well, sudo dpkg
[06:30] <jubei> nickrud: I cant get it to work can you help me?
[06:31] <jubei> nickrud: I had it working in mandrake 10.0
[06:31] <nickrud> jubei, I'm not even sure what it is, just where to look for it :)
[06:31] <NigelS> wbeck85: most will have a make uninstall option if you did a make install, I'd recommend not make installing until you're sure a program works, e.g. just compile it, with make, and then run it locally with ./ on the bin
[06:31] <jubei> Well I have posted details here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=29341
[06:32] <NigelS> wbeck85: make clean simply "cleans" the dir of compiled binaries and leftovers from the compilation process, ready for a clean recompile
[06:32] <jubei> startX gives me the error (EE) Configured Mouse: cannot open input device
[06:32] <Q_Continuum> okay, how do I get a actually useable file browser?  I hate this how I can't get back "up" a directory - I want some buttons, or my browse capability.
[06:33] <karljp> Q: let us know when you find one, I'd like one too.
[06:33] <nickrud> jubei, lol, I help people with rez probs and maybe getting the right driver, thats it :)
[06:33] <Q_Continuum> how about howto default to the "browse" that I can get when I right-click on say, a CDROM or something.
[06:34] <Q_Continuum> I can right-click and go "Browse folder" I want THAT as my default.
[06:34] <jubei> Okay thanks nick. I've been working on this prob for couple of days now. No one can help me =)
[06:34] <nickrud> jubei, don't forget to update the thread if you find the fix.
[06:35] <jubei> rjr
[06:35] <dcraven> Q_Continuum: gconf-editor --> /apps/nautilus/preferences/always_use_browser... Google is fun.
[06:35] <SQL_Sam> how do i know when alien finishes? will i get my command $back?
[06:35] <gbhat> anyone using gnomebaker?
[06:35] <SQL_Sam> never mind
[06:35] <NigelS> Q_Continuum: what is annoying you the most? is it the way the window closes and it opens another one? You can certainly always browse, but shuttleworths decision to make it always close the last dir up annoys me, I changed it in the end
[06:36] <geneo93> SQL_Sam:  if you didn't flag it it will install it
[06:36] <Q_Continuum> gconf-editor...?
[06:36] <Q_Continuum> found it.
[06:36] <GammaRay> Q_Continuum: nautilus prefs?
[06:36] <gbhat> How do I create a video DVD using gnomebaker?just drag and drop audio_ts and video_ts?
[06:36] <nickrud> That close window behind as I drill down, leave last folder open when I open a doc, it actually matches the way I work.
[06:36] <SQL_Sam> i did sudo alien -i cinelerra-1.2.2-1.i386.rpm
[06:37] <SQL_Sam> it finished
[06:37] <nickrud> no more remembering to middle click :)
[06:37] <geneo93> SQL_Sam:  then its installed
[06:37] <dcraven> nickrud: I'm not a fan either.
[06:37] <TechLord> is there any solution to the transcode problem
[06:37] <SQL_Sam> now i got to figure out how to start it
[06:38] <nickrud> dcraven, you misread me. I like ti.
[06:38] <geneo93> sql just type it in terminal
[06:38] <ubuntu> once i've installed the linux-patch-ubuntu package, how do i patch the kernel sources with it? I don't want to build/install the kernel. just patch
[06:38] <nickrud> s/ti/it
[06:38] <dcraven> nickrud: I know you did, but the other guy didn't ;P
[06:38] <NigelS> jubei: I don't recognise that protocol, is your mouse a bit unusual? also, does that path exist? e.g. /dev/input/mice also those are strange options to have i'd have thought, I don't need to specify the other options
[06:38] <SQL_Sam> wholy cow!
[06:38] <SQL_Sam> it worked!!
[06:38] <nickrud> ok, I'm in my usual state: confused
[06:39] <dcraven> nickrud: nevermind :)
[06:39] <SQL_Sam> this thing is cool
[06:39] <nickrud> ok, and thanks :)
[06:39] <jubei> Option      "Protocol" "evdev" I have used that b4 in mandrake 10.0. I have a logitech mx300. I want to use evdev in quake 1 for ultra smooth input. /dev/input/mice exists.
[06:40] <jubei> apparently "Dev Name" and "Dev Phys" are unneccesary. taking them out doesnt help though
[06:40] <NigelS> they aren't needed nope.
[06:41] <jubei> do you know what the protocol auto-dev will do? Someone in #kde suggested that
[06:41] <jubei> ?
[06:41] <dazed> SQL_Sam: shocked that something worked on linux??? thats unusual
[06:41] <SQL_Sam> no that i didnt have to mess with it first
[06:41] <NigelS> jubei: have you tried different protocols yet? e.g. ImPS/2
[06:42] <jubei> It works fine if I remove protocol
[06:42] <jubei> and the default one was fine to
[06:42] <NigelS> right, so the problem is specfically with evdev
[06:42] <jubei> i think default was ImPS/2
[06:42] <jubei> It would seem so
[06:43] <] BreliC[> SQL_Sam, how is it?  The computer requirements seem quite high!
[06:43] <] BreliC[> 4gb ram?
[06:43] <] BreliC[> sheesh
[06:43] <SQL_Sam> crap it crashes.....
[06:43] <nickrud> jubei, I remember something from yesterday about increasing mouse resolution
[06:43] <jubei> yep
[06:43] <jubei> did that
[06:43] <jubei> working nicely =)
[06:43] <nickrud> the source patch?
[06:43] <jubei> Yeah. 500hz
[06:44] <SQL_Sam> when i try to load a file it crashes
[06:44] <jubei> got 800dpi enabled to
[06:44] <nickrud> ok
[06:44] <SQL_Sam> okay - how do i remove it now?
[06:44] <jubei> You play games nick?
[06:44] <art> I am really new to Linux, i need plugins to play my music help
[06:44] <nickrud> no, It was perversely interesting :)
[06:44] <geneo93> SQL_Sam:  maybe you need codecs
[06:44] <art> i do but can't figure out how to get them
[06:45] <SQL_Sam> i have a feeling that it is my low quality system
[06:45] <art> does any one know where to get the codecs?
[06:46] <SQL_Sam> to remove it using alien do i just:  alien -r XXX.rpm?
[06:46] <art> i have totem
[06:46] <Juhaz> art, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[06:47] <randabis> hello fellas
[06:47] <nickrud> that'll hook you up
[06:47] <nickrud> huh, paste failed :)
[06:48] <crimsun> SQL_Sam: no, alien creates a deb. You'd use dpkg to remove it.
[06:48] <capi> I'm fairly new to linux, I know the basics, but I'd like to learn more about the system. Anyone with a little more experience think of a fun project i could do that would help me learn the system a little better?
[06:48] <liable_> capi: install debian :)
[06:48] <randabis> capi: a gentoo installation or a linux from scratch installation
[06:48] <crimsun> capi: break something.
[06:48] <geneo93> hi crimsun
[06:48] <nickrud> capi, looking thru /etc/init.d helped me a lot
[06:48] <crimsun> hi geneo93
[06:49] <cens0red> crimsun lol
[06:49] <sgoodwin> what do I do to set a folder, and everything in it so that anyone can see into it
[06:49] <sgoodwin> set permissions I mean
[06:49] <geneo93> crimsun:  trying to get gnomeradio working
[06:49] <randabis> sgoodwin: man chmod
[06:49] <SQL_Sam> crap how do i get out of a man page!
[06:49] <dcraven> q
[06:49] <randabis> SQL_Sam: press Q
[06:50] <geneo93> esc
[06:50] <SQL_Sam> whwe
[06:50] <SQL_Sam> whre
[06:50] <SQL_Sam> whew
[06:50] <SQL_Sam> lol
[06:50] <SQL_Sam> gotta stop drinking and typing
[06:50] <randabis> heh
[06:50] <nickrud> SQL_Sam, I thought you were underage :)
[06:50] <sgoodwin> also, what needs to be installed in order for things like rhythmbox to be able to play mp3's?
[06:51] <geneo93> nickrud:  he's just sniffing caps
[06:51] <SQL_Sam> dude im 36
[06:51] <nickrud> twice
[06:51] <randabis> sgoodwin: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[06:52] <geneo93> man your older than dirt
[06:52] <SQL_Sam> lol
[06:52] <NigelS> jubei: change your device to /dev/input/event2
[06:52] <SQL_Sam> i feel like it some times with you young whipper snappers
[06:52] <nickrud> he's still a kid :P
[06:52] <liable_> SQL_Sam: irc is much more interesting when drunk
[06:52] <randabis> heh I'm 21 myself
[06:52] <geneo93> yup
[06:52] <geneo93> 57 here
[06:52] <randabis> I just got my texas class A commercial drivers license on thursday :)
[06:52] <SQL_Sam> right on
[06:52] <] BreliC[> q?  and here all these years i've been using Shift+ZZ to get out of man pages
[06:53] <SQL_Sam> I thought I would be the oldest one....
[06:53] <nickrud> 49, and humbled
[06:53] <crimsun> ] BreliC[: either will work, since pager keys are used
[06:53] <liable_> ] BreliC[: you edit them?
[06:53] <crimsun> geneo93: sorry, don't use it
[06:53] <randabis> I got a job with werner enterprises. I start orientation next sunday :)
[06:53] <jubei> NigelS /dev/input/event2 doesnt exist =(
[06:54] <geneo93> crimsun:  you dont use much then
[06:54] <SQL_Sam> hey what is better to use when using dpkg deinstall or purge?
[06:54] <NigelS> jubei: module evdev is loaded?
[06:54] <] BreliC[> liable_, nope, the first person who showed me how to exit taught me that way, so i just figured...heh
[06:54] <liable_> ] BreliC[: heh
[06:54] <jubei> NigelS: lsmod reports it.
[06:55] <jubei> evdev                   9856  0
[06:55] <NigelS> jubei: hmm, ok, have you tried /dev/input/mouse0 and also what is in /dev/input ?
[06:56] <fejaor> how can I change the monitor configuration in order to change the reolution to something else besides 640x480?? That's the only option it appears on the Screen resolution menu
[06:56] <Q_Continuum> damn Cedega takes awhile to compile. lol.  8+ minutes.
[06:56] <crimsun> geneo93: yeah, limited ram, a slow pc, and a dead HD will do that to you.
[06:56] <capi> is init.d a folder or a file, I'm sort of confused. it looks like a folder, but I've seen it refered to like it's a file.
[06:56] <SQL_Sam> what i find funny is when Britanny spears or whoever the new young group that comes out with a new song and I hear my kids going ga ga over it - i got to remind them that it is a remake 99.99% of the time
[06:56] <jubei> NigelS: ls /dev/input/ event0  event1  mice
[06:56] <NigelS> jubei: try event1
[06:56] <IIIEARS1> capi - are you still there?
[06:57] <capi> yep Still here.
[06:57] <geneo93> crimsun:  maybe you need to goto india to get a job
[06:57] <fejaor> how can I change the monitor configuration in order to change the reolution to something else besides 640x480?? That's the only option it appears on the Screen resolution menu
[06:57] <nickrud> geneo93, crimsun is not someone to insult.
[06:57] <jubei> NigelS: but cat /proc/bus/input/devices reveals H: Handlers=mouse0 event2 ts0
[06:57] <geneo93> nickrud:  its just a joke
[06:57] <capi> fejoar there is a nice tutorial on ubuntulinux. i can't help you unless you want to chege the CLI res.
[06:58] <jubei> NigelS: worth trying event1?
[06:58] <crimsun> geneo93: I've considered it, actually :)
[06:58] <geneo93> the us exports all the good jobs
[06:58] <NigelS> jubei: maybe it counts up differently :), does event1 work? assuming 2-->1 and 1-->0
[06:58] <wbeck85> why on earth can i not compile audacity?
[06:58] <IIIEARS1> i am very new to linux (72 hours -heh) i had fun with a sytem monitor called "torsmo" it is a transparent desktop overlay that can b cnfigured using scripting to display just about anything.
[06:58] <ryman> are there any linux books for newbie that you guys recommend ? or any ebook or site ?
[06:58] <fejaor> anyone__
[06:58] <SQL_Sam> me too - that's where all the jobs are goin
[06:58] <fejaor> ??
[06:58] <crimsun> wbeck85: apt-get build-dep audacity
[06:58] <crimsun> wbeck85: then compile it
[06:58] <capi> ryman check out linux cookbook.
[06:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> fejaor... what we were doing is the only way
[06:58] <wbeck85> ok
[06:58] <GammaRay> fejaor: have you tried sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[06:58] <wbeck85> ill try that, thanks
[06:58] <capi> There is a free version of the first edition online
[06:59] <jubei> NigelS: cat /proc/bus/input/devices says event1 is "PC Speaker"
[06:59] <jubei> =)
[06:59] <crimsun> wbeck85: keep in mind that 1.2.3 is available in universe
[06:59] <ryman> capi|  thanks
[06:59] <IIIEARS1> Great! nice tip.
[06:59] <dcraven> fejaor: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[07:00] <capi> hehe you found the post :)
[07:00] <geneo93> hey guys i'm retired so i dont work
[07:00] <IIIEARS1> Hmm - is my computer on i haven't rebooted in 3 days. - is that normal? - lol
[07:00] <nickrud> 57 and retired? what's wrong with you?
[07:00] <jubei> NigelS: you have read the details of my problem? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=29341
[07:00] <crimsun> 57 and retired? that'd be the life! ;)
[07:01] <geneo93> not money hungry or greedy
[07:01] <dcraven> IIIEARS1: pretty normal I suppose.
[07:01] <flex_> how do i find out how many kb is 128mb
[07:01] <dcraven> flex_: google
[07:01] <wbeck85> crimson, yeah, but it doesnt seem to be working for me. First the sound doesnt work(trying to use alsa with the asound.conf fix in the howto section of ubuntuforums.org) and second, it is ugly :)
[07:01] <flex_> with calculator somehow
[07:01] <IIIEARS1> not for the redmond OS - wide grin
[07:02] <geneo93> flex_:  multiply by 1024
[07:02] <randabis> I wish wpa supplicant wasn't insanely difficult to setup
[07:02] <Levander> Hey bob2, you told me earlier about cfengine2, is there any difference between cfengine and cfengine2?  It would just help with my searches.
[07:02] <crimsun> wbeck85: you should kill any sound daemons and just use alsa's oss emulation directly with audacity
[07:02] <capi> Out of curiousity what editor do most people here use? I grew fond of vi and have only attempted to try emacs. Seems powerful, but I'm still undecided
[07:02] <dcraven> capi: Vim
[07:03] <crimsun> capi: use whatever makes you more productive
[07:03] <SQL_Sam> well removed cinelerra
[07:03] <wbeck85> after doing apt-get build-dev audacity, i am still getting the error "MeterToolBar.cpp:104: error: variable `wxPaintDC dc' has initializer but
[07:03] <wbeck85>    incomplete type"
[07:03] <geneo93> kedit
[07:03] <Xenguy> capi: vi is oldschool; use vim instead -- much better
[07:03] <bob2> Levander: I think it's just a newer version
[07:03] <IIIEARS1> << - lol is afraid of VI - where are the fancy buttons? - lol
[07:03] <sgoodwin> are there any 3rd party repos to add to my list?
[07:03] <Xenguy> IIIEARS1: oh the home row :-)
[07:03] <Xenguy> s/oh/on/
[07:04] <SQL_Sam> i hear you vi scares me too
[07:04] <dcraven> gvim has buttons.
[07:04] <crimsun> sgoodwin: yes, lots. Please don't add them - or if you choose to, be aware that you may be smacking yourself in the forehead with a sledgehammer.
[07:04] <geneo93> u could use pico or joe
[07:04] <Xenguy> dcraven: true - I like gvim a lot actually
[07:04] <nickrud> been using vim for 4 years, still can't yank, but it does the job :)
[07:04] <capi> I do use vim, just thought I'd say vi since thats the root of vim and all the other branches
[07:04] <sgoodwin> crimsun, kk
[07:04] <thenuke> nano is nice
[07:04] <IIIEARS1> nah - i'll just have to learn it - sounds like it is well worth the effort.
[07:05] <thenuke> pico seems to be an alias for nano
[07:05] <dcraven> I'm outtie.
[07:05] <capi> bye dcraven
[07:05] <pestilence> is there a good program to manage mp3's, something that will help me rotate the songs that are on my portable mp3 player from the songs that are on my hard drive?
[07:05] <Levander> bob2: you know, I'm looking at this cfengine stuff, but I don't have a whole network of machines to configure.  I just want to remember why the hell I made a change, and which change I made to which file.  I'm thinking I might use svn or cvs, and just never do a "check out", just "check ins".  That way, cvs would never mess up my permissions, and I have a log (the versioning repository) of the changes I had made.
[07:05] <pestilence> i'm looking at rhythmbox, but it doesn't seem to have the capability to actually *move* mp3's
[07:06] <Xenguy> Levander: RCS is good for simple tracking of config files (for example)
[07:06] <pestilence> perhaps i'm wrong, in which case, somebody please correct me.
[07:06] <nickrud> pestilence, rhythmbox is a *player*, nt a mangar
[07:06] <nickrud> *manager
[07:06] <ryman> are there any site about linux for newbie ?
[07:06] <pestilence> nickrud: you should tell that to whoever put "management" in the about screen ;)
[07:06] <IIIEARS1> linuxquestions.org - ?
[07:07] <capi> tons of them, ubuntuforums.org is a great one for ubuntu.
[07:07] <Levander> Xenguy: that's why I was wondering if I should use svn or cvs (hadn't thought of rcs).  I know svn is the latest and greatest, but not sure why I would need all those features.  Or, really if the features would do any harm.
[07:07] <nickrud> pestilence, the about box was written by "management"
[07:07] <Levander> Xenguy: why is rcs better for simple repositories like what I'm thinking of?
[07:07] <pestilence> nickrud: nice.
[07:07] <pestilence> any suggestions on music *management* software, then
[07:08] <nickrud> easytag does a lot of nice things with music files
[07:09] <IIIEARS1> any good programs for synthesizing computer sounds and converting them to *.wav files?
[07:09] <geneo93> what sounds
[07:09] <pestilence> i'm looking for something that will help me rotate the songs on my mp3 player, as it only holds 512 megs, but my mp3 collection is larger than that.  it doesn't look like easytag is quite the thing
[07:09] <bob2> Levander: sure
[07:09] <bob2> Levander: rcs is good for that, too, since it's easier to add files
[07:09] <Levander> bob2: sure what?
[07:09] <IIIEARS1> i would love to add some computer tones to buttons on a webpage
[07:10] <Levander> bob2: okay, i'll look into that, *easier to add files* thanks
[07:10] <nickrud> pestilence, no, that's not what you mean :)
[07:10] <Levander> i really need to find an article on the web comparing them
[07:10] <ryman> ~/.gnome
[07:10] <Levander> bob2: but I'm still going to have the issue where the repository doesn't preserve file permissions?
[07:10] <ryman> where do I go to get to there ~/.gnome  ?
[07:10] <ryman> my computer ?
[07:10] <bob2> Levander: yes
[07:11] <IIIEARS1> been playing with NVU for page design - very nive program.
[07:11] <nickrud> ryman, your home folder
[07:11] <Levander> okay, at least I know what to search on now.
[07:11] <bob2> Levander: but /etc is small enough that I bet just tar'ing the whole thing every day or week or whatever won't be an issue
[07:11] <Levander> Thanks bob2, and Xenguy too
[07:11] <ryman> nickrud|  then I make gnome folder ?
[07:11] <IIIEARS1> and it has spell check - grin
[07:11] <bob2> my /etc is like 13MB
[07:11] <Levander> bob2: why do that? to preserve the permissions?
[07:11] <bob2> Levander: yeah
[07:11] <bob2> hm, mine's 51MB now
[07:12] <bob2> I bet it's gconf damage
[07:12] <nickrud> ryman, no, menu bar at top, Places->Home Folder
[07:12] <ryman> nickrud|  yeah I'm there but there is no Gnome folder
[07:12] <nickrud> to see the hiddent files (the ones that start with a dot) right click, show hidden files
[07:12] <ryman> nickrud|  thanks
[07:12] <Levander> okay, am kinda new to backup strategies, would you just have one tarball backup of /etc, or would you have rotating backups - like a set of five where each gets overwritten once a week?  or, is that to obsessive?
[07:13] <wbeck85> well, i feel like a dope
[07:13] <Q_Continuum> Levander if you have the space you can never be too "obsessive" (imo)
[07:13] <Q_Continuum> then again, I don't do any backups yet - still getting my system fully working. heh.
[07:13] <Xenguy> Levander: there's a lot of backup strategies; some are simple, and some are more complex
[07:13] <Levander> yeah, guess just worried about creating work for myself
[07:13] <nickrud> Q_Continuum, :)
[07:13] <wbeck85> after staring at my error messages for like 10 minutes, i noticed a little "permission denied" comment
[07:13] <dazzed> does openoffice come with an html editor...or are there other good oens to use?
[07:14] <Levander> Xenguy: so in the scenario bob2 recommends, tarring /etc ever so often, which would you recommend?
[07:14] <sgoodwin> dazzed, bluefish
[07:14] <nickrud> dazzed, bluefish
[07:14] <wbeck85> i tried sudo make and poof
[07:14] <dazzed> thanks
[07:14] <wbeck85> it worked
[07:14] <wbeck85> no, wait, it didnt
[07:14] <wbeck85> crap
[07:14] <Q_Continuum> dazzed I'd check out NVU.  ww.nvu.com (based on the Mozilla Composer)
[07:14] <Xenguy> Levander: well I do a complete backup every night
[07:14] <crimsun> wbeck85: please try the audacity package from universe after killing esd/artsd
[07:14] <Levander> Xenguy: and for how long do you save a backup? or do you overwrite the backup every night?
[07:15] <dazzed> Q_Continuum: sounds good i will...even on windows i had abou 3 html editors id use in conjuction cuz they each offered their own strong points
[07:15] <IIIEARS1> dazzed - "NVU" is good
[07:15] <Xenguy> Levander: but a 'real' backup system would do something like a weekly complete backup, with daily 'incremental' backups, for example
[07:15] <Levander> Xenguy: you know, to do bobs idea, I'm kind of thinking I would only need to do a backup every time I install a new package.
[07:15] <Xenguy> Levander: I basically have 2 nights worth - not the best strategy, but I have something :-)
[07:16] <Levander> Xenguy: yeah, I see what you're saying
[07:16] <dazzed> good good
[07:16] <Levander> Xenguy: I'm about to start doing back-ups myself and am trying to get a "feel"
[07:16] <Levander> thanks Xenguy
[07:16] <Xenguy> Levander: your data is likely to change all the time (email, bookmarks, etc.)
[07:16] <Xenguy> Levander: yw
[07:16] <Levander> Xenguy: yeah, but for now, I'm just backing up my system configuration files
[07:17] <Levander> Xenguy: later I'll start backing everything up.
[07:17] <wbeck85> ohmy
[07:17] <wbeck85> oh my oh my
[07:17] <Xenguy> Levander: I'm trying to remember the backup utility one guy in our LUG was recommending
[07:17] <Sphearion> well I have done it and Im likeing it, I have switched from fedora to ubuntu..... and needless to say, its nice
[07:17] <wbeck85> crimsun: thank you. I just wasted over an hr of my life
[07:17] <wbeck85> killall esd worked like a charm
[07:17] <wbeck85> thankyou
[07:18] <wbeck85> esd
[07:18] <Levander> Xenguy: was it backuppc?
[07:18] <nickrud> Levander, there's there's things in /var you should backup also, starting with /var/lib/dpkg
[07:18] <transgress> so happy that my wireless works well
[07:19] <sgoodwin> transgress, on laptop or pc?
[07:19] <Levander> nickrud: I'm just worried about getting a "log" of the changes I've made to configuration files.  bob2 pointed out that versioning control system don't preserve file permisssions. So I'm only talking about backing up files that I would modify
[07:19] <Levander> so that I would know what their permissions were
[07:19] <transgress> sgoodwin: lappy
[07:19] <Xenguy> Levander: found it - rsnapshot
[07:19] <dazzed> YES! i got my server back!!!
[07:19] <sgoodwin> transgress, which chipset?
[07:19] <transgress> sgoodwin: i was popping in and out of here all night..
[07:19] <Levander> cool, i'm gonna google it now
[07:19] <transgress> broadcom something something
[07:20] <sgoodwin> on which lappy?
[07:20] <dazzed> ohhh im so happy!
[07:20] <IIIEARS1> listening intently to back up strategies - it won't be long before i "munge" something - heh
[07:20] <transgress> hp pavilion zv5410us
[07:20] <nickrud> Levander, ok, I missed that part :)
[07:20] <g14> Xenguy: Take a look at this: http://www.nongnu.org/rdiff-backup/
[07:20] <sgoodwin> transgress, fun fun
[07:20] <transgress> it is
[07:21] <g14> Xenguy: That will save you some time if you do a full backup everynight
[07:21] <Xenguy> g14: tx
[07:21] <Levander> g14: that tool does look interesting.
[07:21] <xMaximex> how do i get rid of esd and use ALSA?
[07:21] <Sphearion> I have 2 sata harddrives in my computer 1x 250gig (the main that ubuntu is installed on) and a 2nd 160gig that nothing is on, how would I go about formatting the second drive and using it as "a place to store stuff for ALL users"
[07:22] <Levander> nickrud: you're not using rcs to track sysadmin changes are you?? that's what I'm thinking about doing
[07:22] <pestilence> xMaximex: look under "system" "preferences" "sound"
[07:22] <g14> Xenguy: np, it works pretty well for me and was suggested by some guys at my LUG
[07:22] <IIIEARS1> rdiff (drools) looks good
[07:22] <nickrud> Levander, been doing it for a while, but since I've never had to restore a system .....
[07:22] <pestilence> xMaximex: and "system" "preferences" "Multimedia systems selector"
[07:22] <IIIEARS1> lol - "i need more power!"
[07:22] <pestilence> xMaximex: turn off "start server automaticall"
[07:22] <Levander> nickrud: you got an article or link or something that talks about that?
[07:22] <pestilence> xMaximex: and change default system to alsa
[07:23] <Levander> that's what I'm trying to figure out
[07:23] <Nate> just out of curiosity, have any of you had problems installing ubuntu on a system with one or more other installations of linux?
[07:23] <NigelS> jubei: could you post the content of lsmod and also what happens in syslog when you plug the mouse in on that post? It might make it easier to see what's happened
[07:23] <Levander> nickrud: why use rcs instead of cvs?
[07:23] <Levander> and instead of svn?
[07:23] <nickrud> Levander, all I ever needed was ci -i and co -o, since I don't code and don't share
[07:23] <nickrud> *co -i
[07:23] <Levander> and how big a deal is it for you that rcs doesn't preserve file permissions?
[07:23] <geneo93> nate i have 3 other distros here
[07:24] <capi> on the same note as Sphearion I have two computers on the same network. Is there any way I could config my Linux to look on another computers file system for it's files, and what type of slowdown would be expected.
[07:24] <flex_> im having problems doing this xorg.conf myself, is there anything that will autodetect my monitor and set it up?
[07:24] <nickrud> never caught that part, that's why I'm reevalutating :)
[07:24] <Levander> nickrud: that was bob2's issue with the system, file permissions
[07:24] <Nate> geneo: do all of them still boot after you've installed ubuntu?
[07:24] <Levander> lol!
[07:24] <Levander> that's funny!
[07:24] <geneo93> yes
[07:24] <geneo93> nate i used lilo
[07:24] <Nate> ah
[07:25] <Levander> nickrud: bob2's recommendation was cfengine2, but one blurb I read about it was "yeah, it takes a while to set up and is difficult, but once you get it setup, you'll wonder how you ever lived without it"
[07:25] <Nate> for some reason, I can use ubuntu, but RH9 and FC3 give me read-only error messages
[07:25] <Levander> nickrud: it's really for when you have a network of machines you want to configure the same way
[07:25] <IIIEARS1> flex_ - yep i had the same trouble - had to use a pencil to copy the settings from windows - ugh, there must be a better way...
[07:25] <Levander> nickrud: don't think I need to do all that work
[07:25] <fejaor> how can i upgrade from firefox 1.0.2 to firefox 1.0.3__
[07:25] <fejaor> ??
[07:25] <geneo93> Nate:  i also have 2 versions of beos
[07:25] <bob2> fejaor: just wait
[07:26] <nickrud> Levander, I used rcs so I could roll back changes that didn't work
[07:26] <Nate> hm.
[07:26] <nickrud> backup is differnet
[07:26] <Levander> nickrud: cvs and svn can't do the same thing?
[07:26] <fejaor> jajaja
[07:26] <Nate> aight, thanks
[07:26] <fejaor> the new version is already on
[07:26] <Levander> fejaor: no easy way yet, unless you want to download directly from mozilla.org
[07:26] <Tuxicity> hi. Does anyone else get "internal server error" when doing "apt-get update"?
[07:26] <nickrud> backup is to alternate media, I backup all of /etc/ (including the rcs) so I don't think it's a problem in my case
[07:26] <bob2> Tuxicity: don't use backports
[07:26] <Levander> Tuxicity: not unless there system is broken
[07:27] <Sphearion> anyone? any ideas on how to format another harddrive and make it readwrite to ALL users?
[07:27] <fejaor> that's what i wanna do but how??
[07:27] <bob2> Sphearion: you need to be way more specific
[07:27] <Sphearion> bob I already was specific once and noone answered me
[07:27] <Levander> nickrud: so you're just saying that in your backup, you have all the file permissions?
[07:27] <flex_> whats the command to configure xorg.conf and autodetect monitor
[07:27] <Levander> nickrud: because you backed up all of /etc
[07:27] <nickrud> yeah, because rcs is not my backup, just my version control
[07:28] <bob2> Sphearion: not really
[07:28] <Sphearion> bob2, I have 2 serial ata drives, I want one to be "storage" for ALL users, as well as shared on my lan, but I need to fdisk and format it probably im guessing cfdisk then mke2fs
[07:28] <bob2> Sphearion: do you care if windows can use it or not?
[07:28] <Sphearion> bob2, i don't have windows :)
[07:28] <Tuxicity> bob2, hehe, how'd you know I use backports? ;)
[07:28] <bob2> Tuxicity: because in addition to the packages being broken, their webserver is too
[07:28] <Sphearion> windows is for sissies :)
[07:28] <Levander> nickrud: i see, how often do you backup?  just after you install a new package?  and how many backups do you keep?  or, do you just overwrite it every night?
[07:28] <bob2> Sphearion: then just format it as whatever filesystem you like (I'd go with ext3), then mount it somewhere
[07:29] <Sphearion> bob2, so mke2fs -j
[07:29] <nickrud> Levander, when I think of it, I have a script I run overnight to backup to CD
[07:29] <nickrud> *when I think of it*
[07:29] <Sphearion> how do I find out what /dev/ entry it is
[07:29] <Levander> bob2: that jdong guy said something about ubuntu doing something like backports themselves.  You hear anything like that?
[07:29] <bob2> Sphearion: or mkfs -t ext3 or whatever
[07:29] <bob2> Levander: no way
[07:29] <bob2> Sphearion: 'dmesg | grep ^sd'
[07:29] <Levander> nickrud: and every night the backup just overwrites itself?
[07:30] <nickrud> Levander, for my purposes, it's sufficient
[07:30] <Sphearion> bob2,  nothing returned
[07:30] <Levander> bob2: yeah, is to bad, would be really nice to have something like backports that kept us in the latest version of firefox and openoffice
[07:30] <Sphearion> found it sdb
[07:30] <nickrud> Levander, I've always wanted to say, YMMV
[07:30] <bob2> Levander: dude, it's only six months
[07:30] <bob2> Levander: and for the last 3 months or so, it's usually fine to use the development version of ubuntu
[07:31] <xMaximex> it is possible to get more than one apps to use OSS sound ?
[07:31] <bob2> xMaximex: not easily
[07:31] <bob2> xMaximex: ie they have to all use esd
[07:31] <dazzed> now i cant get into my server for some reason
[07:31] <jubei> NigelS: what is syslog?
[07:31] <Levander> nickrud: oh yeah, for home use, you probably don't even have to backup at all.  I'm about to do same thing and just wanted to get "feel".
[07:31] <Levander> nickrud: thanks for letting me know what you're doing
[07:31] <xMaximex> bob2, the problem is that  Teamspeak can't use esd :(
[07:31] <Xenguy> Levander: you know, if you have enough disk space, it is easy to simply copy previous backup files for as many days as you want (i.e. not efficient, but would work just fine is you are not short of disk space)
[07:31] <nickrud> Levander, np, It was good to think about it again.
[07:31] <bob2> xMaximex: you'd need to talk to the teamspeak people about that
[07:32] <bob2> xMaximex: or use esdsp
[07:32] <randabis> meh I'd just download the latest firefox from mozilla.org anyway. The ubuntu debs absolutely blow
[07:32] <bob2> er, esddsp
[07:32] <Sphearion> ok bob2  to allow all users to read / write to that mount point what do I chown / chmod it?
[07:32] <bob2> randabis: in what way?
[07:32] <Levander> bob2: yeah, but like right now, openoffice has finally release version 2, with lots of improvements over version 1, and ubuntu's still on OOo 1.1.
[07:32] <Levander> And probably will be for another six months.
[07:32] <bob2> Sphearion: give it the same permissions as /tmp
[07:32] <bob2> Levander: dude, oo2 is in hoary
[07:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> my god. i just realised i have had ubuntu installed for almost 3 months. i used to be reinstalling Windows ever month or so
[07:32] <randabis> bob2 lack of the real firefox icon, not as stable for me, and definitely slower than the mozilla.org one for me
[07:32] <Levander> bob2: what's package name?
[07:32] <bob2> randabis: dude, blame the firefox people for the icon thing
[07:33] <bob2> randabis: if less stable or slower, please file a bug so it can be fixed
[07:33] <bob2> Levander: openoffice.org2
[07:33] <Sphearion> done :) thanks bob2
[07:33] <Sphearion> chmod 1777
[07:33] <Tuxicity> bob2, ok then, backports sounded too much like backdoors anyways ;-)
[07:33] <IIIEARS1> Kamping - "" - "Windows" = Install, Connect, Reinstall.
[07:33] <randabis> bob2: that was just a sidenote. My main concern has been stability and speed. Ubuntu's firefox has always had those problems and I don't understand why
[07:33] <bob2> Sphearion: now anyone can create stuff there, but random other people can't delete it on them
[07:34] <bob2> randabis: have you filed a bug?
[07:34] <Sphearion> nice nice
[07:34] <randabis> bob2 yes, some time ago
[07:34] <Levander> dpkg -l openoffice.org-debian-files on my hoary system says version 1.1.3-3+1
[07:34] <Tuxicity> you guys type at *lightning* speed!
[07:34] <Sphearion> how would I make it so the users could create and delete what they made? or can they already make/delete what they made?
[07:34] <bob2> Levander: yes, that's not the package
[07:34] <bob2> Sphearion: users can do whatever they want to their own files
[07:34] <Sphearion> nice nice
[07:34] <Sphearion> thanks bob2
[07:34] <bob2> you're welcome
[07:35] <bob2> randabis: which one, out of interest?
[07:35] <Levander> bob2: okay, sorry, didn't see what you wrote after, checking openoffice2 out now, did find it in apt repositories
[07:35] <Sphearion> now time to share that drive on the network
[07:35] <mjc> hmm for some reason gnome is hanging on login after a fresh install
[07:35] <randabis> bob2: as I said, it's been some time ago so I can't recall atm
[07:35] <bob2> mjc: for all users or just one?
[07:35] <bob2> randabis: ok
[07:35] <mjc> bob2: repeatedly hanging on reinstall, lemme try making another user
[07:36] <Levander> Well, I be damned, they did get OOo2 in hoary.
[07:36] <randabis> bob2: firefox 1.0.3 is worth the download anyway imho
[07:36] <bob2> Levander: it wasn't stable enough to be the default, but it's there
[07:36] <mjc> bob2: yes, all users
[07:36] <nickrud> Levander, it's buggy :)
[07:36] <mjc> made a user named test, same deal
[07:37] <Levander> ah, yeah, well the OOo2 release was pushed up pretty close to the hoary release
[07:38] <jubei> how do I check the "syslog"?
[07:38] <cyklus> what is a good editor/ide for programming php?
[07:38] <nickrud> Levander, hoary is far behind, I use oo for production use, don't use oo2
[07:38] <bob2> cyklus: emacs!
[07:38] <Levander> cyklus: bluefish is what lots like, i just use emacs
[07:38] <Levander> bluefish is easier to learn
[07:38] <mjc> cyklus: vim, bluefish, kdevelop
[07:39] <jubei> kdevelop looks good
[07:39] <Levander> nickrud: yeah, luckily I don't need OOo for much right now anyway
[07:39] <nickrud> Levander, I use it a lot, daily, and oo2 is not ready for prime time :)
[07:40] <mjc> bob2: it appears to be a dbus, keyring, or session manager issue
[07:40] <Levander> nickrud: oh, okay, I didn't understand, I htough you just meant hoary's version, didn't know you meant just OOo2 in general
[07:40] <holycow> oo2 sue is looking damned fine tho  you gotta admin
[07:40] <mjc> hmm I can't ping localhost
[07:40] <holycow> it already starts up damn fast, and opens up huge ms native docs without any problem
[07:40] <nickrud> Levander, everything I say is in the context of debian/ubuntu, it's all I use
[07:41] <nickrud> I depend on those 900+ good guys
[07:41] <mjc> bob2: found it, was because I didn't let it bring up lo
[07:41] <holycow> nickrud, we use oo for production too, we have two pilot projects
[07:41] <holycow> will be switching to oo2 when its released for sure
[07:41] <nickrud> holycow, so how's the later versions of oo2?
[07:41] <Levander> it is a  disadvantage for ubuntu though that you gotta wait six months for the new stuff.  On Windows, any time anything new comes out, you just go to their web site and click "install".
[07:42] <holycow> nickrud, awesome is the only way to describe it
[07:42] <roshan> what is the name of the default ubuntu mouse theme?
[07:42] <nickrud> holycow, I
[07:43] <nickrud> 've tried some of the builds that have shown up, and I like, but... Well, 1.999.whatever is not 2.0 :)
[07:44] <holycow> if you mean how is oo2 in terms of stability, well its beta, if you mean how it is feature wise, i think you and i agree :)
[07:44] <Levander> holycow: how much progress have they made on OOo Base?  That app looked funny to me when I played with it a month or two ago.
[07:44] <nickrud> holycow, concur :)
[07:44] <capi> cyklus: matters on if you have money to spend or not.
[07:44] <IIIEars> will qtparted format a USB drive on Ubuntu?
[07:44] <holycow> Levander, not much change will happend with base from here on it, it is what it is
[07:44] <holycow> and its mostly a start, i personally find it easy to use
[07:45] <Sphearion> what is the default user/pass of a samba share. if I access it from windows xp it asks for a user/pass?
[07:45] <pestilence> nickrud: it depends on how many 9's there are.
[07:45] <Levander> holycow: have you played with it? didn't you htink it was funny to?  it was awhile ago when I played with it, maybe six to eight weeks ago
[07:45] <fejaor> how does the sources.list file should look like in order to receive all the upgrades correctly__
[07:45] <holycow> i'm glad they arent copying access, i think oo way is better
[07:45] <fejaor> ??
[07:45] <pestilence> nickrud: if there are enough nines, it is actually 2.
[07:45] <holycow> Levander, i probably thought it was different, maybe i'm misinterpreting what you mean by funny :)
[07:45] <nickrud> pestilence, and you can never step into the same river :)
[07:46] <fejaor> how can I download and installa w32codecs__
[07:46] <fejaor> ??
[07:46] <holycow> Levander, i haven't used it enough to have any real opinion on it tho
[07:46] <holycow> fejaor, read ubuntu website, info is on there
[07:46] <goldfish> fejaor: www.ubuntuguide.org
[07:46] <nickrud> pestilence, I wasn't being flippant, it's an old greek philosophy joke
[07:46] <Levander> holycow: it was like some of the UI controls in a window couldn't be resized, so the text in a list box would be cut off, so you couldn't read all the text because you couldn't make the list box bigger, stuff like that
[07:46] <IIIEars> hm - rdiff is nice! :)
[07:47] <fejaor> that-s what I read but I ran the upgrade or tried to download something and marked me a lot of errors on the sites
[07:47] <pestilence> nickrud: oh, i don't get it.  in any case, i was being a math nerd for a second.
[07:47] <fejaor> and Im trying to install the w32codecs exactly how www.ubuntuguide.org tells but is not working....errors
[07:47] <holycow> Levander, *hmmm* not sure if that has been fixed  yet, anywhoo just wait, its not scheduled for release until late summer anyway :)
[07:47] <nickrud> pestilence, then you know that you can always halve the distance, and never reach the destination :)
[07:47] <pestilence> nickrud: sure
[07:48] <nickrud> same joke
[07:48] <pestilence> nickrud: ok
[07:48] <pestilence> :)
[07:48] <fejaor> as well as error in the libdvdcss2
[07:48] <flex_> hrm, i guess theres no flash player for amd64
[07:48] <flex_> and I cant install cedega .deb file
[07:48] <aimaz> anyone know how to get firefox to load a webpage in clipboard when you middle click on firefox, it used to to it when I used debian
[07:48] <transgress> flex_: yeah i can't get it either
[07:48] <Levander> yeah, well I'm looking forward to OOo2, lots of hopes for OOo Base.  It will rock to have a cross platform cross database SQL client, that's free!
[07:48] <nickrud> thank god for leibnitz
[07:48] <flex_> 32bit apps wont run with amd64?
[07:48] <transgress> no
[07:49] <flex_> i thought there were libraries
[07:49] <aimaz> flex_, they should
[07:49] <holycow> Levander, absolutely
[07:49] <pestilence> indeed.
[07:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> i thought you cant mix 32 and 64, so if its a 64 system, you need 64 debs
[07:49] <flex_> dpkg: error processing cedega_4.3-1_i386.deb (--install):
[07:49] <flex_>  package architecture (i386) does not match system (amd64)
[07:49] <dazzed> grrr
[07:49] <dazzed> i cant login to my server
[07:50] <dazzed> stupid gftp
[07:50] <Levander> something still gets to me when I can use an app no matter what platform I'm on and have it act the same way.  Don't have to re-orient myself or anything.
[07:50] <Levander> It's like Microsoft doesn't even matter!
[07:50] <aimaz> flex_, you have to fiddle a bit more, I seem to remember seeing a guide on http://www.ubuntuforums.org/
[07:51] <flex_> so I might be able to get my programs to work?
[07:51] <holycow> Levander, ahhh... so you have finally ascended to the next level
[07:51] <aimaz> flex_, yes
[07:51] <holycow> welcome :)
[07:51] <Sphearion> how do I restart samba without restarting the computer?
[07:51] <aimaz> flex_, i think it's something to do with chroot
[07:51] <holycow> yes, microsoft is irrelevant, they are already dead just don't know it yet
[07:51] <aimaz> so it's probablt not pretty
[07:51] <crimsun> Sphearion: sudo /etc/init.d/samba restart
[07:51] <Sphearion> thanks crimsun
[07:51] <crimsun> np
[07:52] <Sphearion> crimsun, happen to know why I cannot login to my samba shares from an XP machine?
[07:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> xp is a bitch
[07:52] <nickrud> Levander, ms hasn't mattered to me for years, I still run win98 only for one app, since no one can tell me how to run the Thomas Guide under wind or qemu HInt, Hint
[07:52] <crimsun> Sphearion: probably a username-permissions issue(s)
[07:53] <Sphearion> even if Im using my own username/pass
[07:53] <Raskall> agh.. this is OT, but I have downloaded a couple of lost episodes from donkey and cant use them. they have "repack" in the filename. anyone knows what to do with the file?
[07:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> MS broke the samba standard again with XP, so support is crap
[07:53] <Sphearion> xp decides to change the username (in the box anyway) computername/username
[07:53] <pestilence> nickrud: what's so special about thomas guide that makes it difficult to use under qemu?
[07:53] <crimsun> Sphearion: what do {auth,daemon}.log tell you?
[07:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> as they did with 2K
[07:53] <aimaz> flex_, this might be of use http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24575
[07:53] <capi> what is samba?
[07:53] <nickrud> It can't access the cd, either as a loopback or directly thu /dev/cdrom
[07:54] <Tuxicity> it would be better to make a Free NFS client for Windows
[07:54] <pestilence> nickrud: huh?  can't you set the command line paramter telling it to map /dev/cdrom to the d: drive?
[07:54] <flex_> thx
[07:54] <transgress> what would you want to set your 64 bit install to 32 bit programs for?
[07:54] <nickrud> been there, done that, works for anything I install under qemu except thomas guide
[07:54] <pestilence> nickrud: i don't have much experience with qemu, but i successfully installed windows 2k off a cd.
[07:55] <Sphearion> nothing, thats what those logs tell me
[07:55] <pestilence> nickrud: strange.
[07:55] <aimaz> transgress, in order to run packages not made for amd64 that are in i386
[07:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> capi smb is the file sharing system used by windows samba is the OSS implementation
[07:55] <Levander> what's the "thomas guide"? I'm googling it now and am coming up with books.
[07:55] <pestilence> nickrud: how about copying an installation over the network into qemu?
[07:55] <dr_willis> Its a guide to the TOm & Jerry cartoons! :P
[07:55] <nickrud> I've installed win95, win98, win2k, all of them cannot access that cd.
[07:56] <Sphearion> even the /var/log/samba logs don't tell me anything
[07:56] <nickrud> I'm not about to spend vmware money to run something I need maybe 3 times a year :)
[07:57] <crimsun> Sphearion: not even samba starting up?
[07:57] <Levander> nickrud: I still do do multimedia under windows, that's mostly what I use it for, haven't bothered to figure out rythmbox and all that other stuff...
[07:57] <Sphearion> crimsun, yes it shows that, but nothing else, and its not erroring
[07:57] <pestilence> Levander: that's interesting, because mplayer plays many more formats than windows media player ;)
[07:57] <nickrud> Levander, just point rhythmbox at your root music directory, it'll do the rest.
[07:58] <Tuxicity> Levander, i dont use rythmbox either. but XMMS doesnt need no learning:)
[07:58] <Levander> nickrud: yeah, maybe I should, just haven't even set up my sound card under ubuntu
[07:58] <nickrud> Levander, Thomas Guide is a map program, covers all of california.
[07:59] <Tuxicity> nickrud, probably Google Maps is even better now!
[07:59] <nickrud> Tuxicity, not for a particular need I have, but I do use google maps a lot
[08:00] <Levander> hey, is there any good app that will let me hit apache to play music through the sound card on the machine apache is set up on?  E.g., not streaming music the reverse.  I've been thinking about doing something for my home entertainment setup.
[08:00] <crimsun> Levander: yes, there's an xmms plugin for that
[08:00] <Raskall> Levander: glirnath does a great job. glirnath.sourceforge.net
[08:01] <Levander> crimsun: remember the name?
[08:01] <dazzed> anyone use gftp?
[08:01] <Levander> okay, google glirnath
[08:01] <crimsun> Levander: mod_xmms or something
[08:01] <Levander> dazzed: it was buggy as hell in warty, i just use nautilus for gui ftp
[08:01] <crimsun> Sphearion: logs don't even show your user authenticating?
[08:01] <dazzed> levander...ill give that a try
[08:01] <Sphearion> crimsun, no
[08:02] <crimsun> Sphearion: try searching the wiki and forums. I'm not a samba guru, sorry.
[08:02] <nickrud> dazzed, occasionally
[08:03] <nickrud> dazzed, nevermind, Levander's answer is nice :)
[08:03] <TwEeT> Hello
[08:03] <dazzed> lol
[08:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings:
[08:03] <Kamping_Kaiser>         LANGUAGE = "en_AU:en_GB:en_US:en",
[08:03] <Kamping_Kaiser>         LC_ALL = (unset),
[08:03] <Kamping_Kaiser>         LANG = "en_AU"
[08:03] <dazzed> im havin many o problems trying to get in my damn server
[08:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> whats that unset thing?
[08:03] <TwEeT> Does ubuntu come with support for prism54?
[08:03] <Levander> Raskall: there are themes for glirnath? really not crazy about the default "look"
[08:03] <Sphearion> crimsun, thanks anyway
[08:03] <goldfish> hi guys i was just reading forums about i386 and i686, this is the output of 'uname -a' Linux nanafunk 2.6.10-5-386 #1 Tue Apr 5 12:12:40 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
[08:03] <goldfish> does this mean i shud install the i686 kernel?
[08:03] <Raskall> Levander: I haven't found any. I am happy with the default tho'
[08:04] <Levander> goldfish: it'd probably be a little faster, but not much
[08:04] <goldfish> kk
[08:04] <TwEeT> Does anyone have a Netgear WG511 network card?
[08:04] <dr_willis> Kamping_Kaiser,  i think it means its Not set.
[08:04] <elcu> goldfish: what is your processor?
[08:04] <Levander> Raskall: I wonder if it's done with good XHTML and CSS, then I could make my own theme
[08:04] <flex_> i think going back to i386 is good for now, i need to play my games
[08:04] <cyphase> hi all
[08:04] <goldfish> elcu: Intel Pentium M 1.7Ghz.
[08:04] <Levander> Raskall: I've been teaching myself CSS and have gotten okay with it.
[08:04] <cyphase> Hello World
[08:04] <yfir> goldfish: go for i686
[08:04] <cyphase> ;)
[08:04] <goldfish> cool
[08:04] <goldfish> Thanks.
[08:05] <Levander> goldfish, you know to install the kernel meta-package? Called linux-image-686 or something like that?
[08:05] <Tuxicity> cyphase, hi :)
[08:05] <Raskall> Levander: hang on. I'll check
[08:05] <fejaor> how can you update the kernel??
[08:05] <Levander> also, how much room you have left on your boot partition?
[08:05] <goldfish> Levander: How do I check? :)
[08:05] <Tuxicity> cyphase, return "hi";
[08:05] <Raskall> Levander: we have glirnath running all the time with mplayer as the player for all sound files.
[08:06] <Levander> fejaor: from the questions you've been asking, I wouldn't try it if I were you, but "sudo apt-get linux-image-686" - if that's the right package name
[08:06] <dazzed> Levander, nickrud: i get an error when trying to go in through nautilus "cannot show folder contents"
[08:06] <dazzed> i can login fine on my windows comp
[08:06] <dazzed> through ie
[08:06] <dazzed> but i want to do it on linux
[08:06] <Levander> goldfish: "df -h" will list free space on all partitions
[08:06] <Raskall> Levander: yes. it's using css and php.. seems very simple and easy to mod.
[08:07] <Levander> Raskall: oh cool, so mplayer can be the front end?  What protocol does glirnath use with mplayer?  Do other clients talk that protocol?
[08:07] <goldfish> Filesystem            Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[08:07] <goldfish> /dev/hda2              19G  8.8G  9.1G  49% /
[08:07] <goldfish> Levander: ^^
[08:07] <goldfish> that what u mean?
[08:07] <nickrud> dazzed, do want to share your password :P
[08:07] <nickrud> dazzed, can't help otherwise, so be wise
[08:08] <dazzed> pm
[08:08] <Levander> goldfish: it doesn't look like you have a separate boot partition goldfish, it'll probably be fine to install it
[08:08] <dazzed> nickrud pm me
[08:08] <goldfish> Levander: Ah right, thanks.
[08:08] <Levander> goldfish: if you had other partitions, besides just '/', there would be other lines of output from that command for the other partitions.
[08:08] <fejaor> how can I know what's my actual kernel and how can I know if it is worth to upgrade it??
[08:09] <Raskall> Levander: mplayer can be the backend, yes. :) glirnath simply calls mplayer from the shell with the filename from the web-ui as an argument.
[08:09] <goldfish> well there are a few more lines of output from that command Levander
[08:09] <goldfish> tmpfs                 253M     0  253M   0% /dev/shm
[08:09] <goldfish> /dev/hda1              37G   23G   14G  64% /media/windows
[08:09] <goldfish> none                  5.0M  2.8M  2.3M  56% /dev
[08:09] <Levander> fejaor: uname -a lists your kernel version, like goldfish showed us above
[08:09] <goldfish> that's the remainder.
[08:09] <Levander> goldfish: yeah, you don't have a separate boot partition
[08:09] <goldfish> righteo
[08:09] <fejaor> sorry...i did't follow goldfish
[08:10] <goldfish> Levander: So I shud be fine to apt-get the i686 ?
[08:10] <fejaor> Linux fejaor 2.6.10-5-386 #1 Tue Apr 5 12:12:40 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
[08:10] <Levander> fejor, just type "uname -a" and look at the results
[08:10] <bob2> fejaor: don't bother changing it
[08:10] <fejaor> that's my output....is it worth to upgrade the kernel??
[08:10] <fejaor> ok
[08:10] <fejaor> thanks
[08:10] <fejaor> one other thing
[08:10] <Levander> fejaor: I think bob2 is right
[08:11] <fejaor> how do you do to refer to a person in here so the message changes to "person: ...." ??
[08:11] <geneo93> Linux ubuntu 2.6.10-5-686-smp #1 SMP Tue Apr 5 12:41:40 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux  hehe
[08:11] <bob2> fejaor: you type their nickname
[08:11] <ryman> are there any free linux guide on the web ?
[08:11] <fejaor> bob2 like that_
[08:11] <fejaor> ?
[08:11] <goldfish> Does xchat support tab completion?
[08:12] <bob2> jubei: yes
[08:12] <bob2> goldfish: yes
[08:12] <elcu> goldfish: for nicknames, yes.
[08:12] <bob2> fejaor: yes
[08:12] <bob2> fejaor: many irc clients do tab completion of nicks
[08:12] <goldfish> fejaor: type f, then press tab.
[08:12] <goldfish> see what happens
[08:12] <fejaor> bob2 did that came up to you in red?
[08:12] <fejaor> bob2, ok
[08:12] <goldfish> lol
[08:13] <fejaor> think I got it
[08:13] <fejaor> jejeje
[08:13] <geneo93> u can use smp kernel as well with single processor
[08:14] <geneo93> but i do have a dually
[08:15] <fejaor> does anybody know how to upgrade Gaim internet messenger to the newest version??
[08:15] <elcu> ryman: http://www.linuxlinks.com/Beginners/ among others.  google.
[08:15] <fejaor> how can I change the permission in order to write to /usr/local ??
[08:15] <pestilence> fejaor: try using sudo
[08:16] <X`_> hi there
[08:16] <fejaor> is not allowing me to write in the folder....
[08:17] <geneo93> where
[08:17] <X`_> I would like to ask anyone if Ubuntu can run on Pentium 2 300 MHz 128 MB
[08:17] <pestilence> fejaor: using sudo?
[08:17] <X`_> please PM me if anyone here can help me
[08:17] <fejaor> noup
[08:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> X_ yes it can run
[08:17] <geneo93> X yes
[08:17] <holycow> yes it can
[08:17] <pestilence> X`_: that may be cutting it a little close, if you want gnome
[08:17] <elcu> fejaor: what are you trying to do?
[08:17] <dr_willis> X`_,  yes it can.. i have it running on a Pent 1 - 100.
[08:17] <dr_willis> SLOWLY. :P
[08:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> we use it on P200MHz with 96MB of ram
[08:18] <pestilence> X`_: but if you can use something like fluxbox, then certainly
[08:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> with gnome
[08:18] <X`_> ok thanx form the info
[08:18] <fejaor> trying to install adobe in /usr/local
[08:18] <X`_> coz I want to try Ubuntu
[08:18] <X`_> ;)
[08:18] <pestilence> Kamping_Kaiser: and it runs *well*?
[08:18] <elcu> adobe reader?
[08:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> define well.
[08:18] <fejaor> yes
[08:18] <pestilence> Kamping_Kaiser: haha
[08:18] <elcu> how are you installing it?
[08:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[08:18] <elcu> i.e. did you download it?
[08:18] <geneo93> Kamping_Kaiser:  hole in ground
[08:18] <aimaz> I used ubuntu on celeron 900 with 128mb of ram, it was quite slow, but usable, but then I am used to a machine with 1Gb of memory and faster processor
[08:18] <fejaor> I downloaded from a website and running it from a terminal
[08:19] <elcu> fejaor: just use apt-get or synaptic
[08:19] <elcu> you're doing it the hard way.
[08:19] <holycow> i've found that the the most important thing for gnome to feel responsive is #1 have a video card with accelerated drivers .. that more than anything can make a machine scream, even a p200
[08:19] <fejaor> I tried to use apt-get but didn't work
[08:19] <elcu> fejaor: how so?
[08:19] <holycow> secondly, gobs of ram helps, but gnome is very miserly with ram, it can stuff it self in 48 megs i've found but you won't be opening many apps without swapping in that
[08:19] <fejaor> sudo apt-get install adobe
[08:20] <holycow> there is no adobe you twit
[08:20] <holycow> :)
[08:20] <fejaor> and synaptic doesn't have it
[08:20] <holycow> jesus :)
[08:20] <holycow> of course not, what kinda retard are  yoU?
[08:20] <elcu> fejaor: acroread
[08:20] <holycow> seriously
[08:20] <pestilence> fejaor: just run the install program with sudo
[08:20] <holycow> lol
[08:20] <holycow> fejaor, please learn a few apt commands first
[08:21] <holycow> the most usefull one you will find is apt-cache search word
[08:21] <holycow> that will give you a list of possibilities
[08:21] <holycow> then you sudo apt-get install when you find what you are looking for
[08:21] <goldfish> or maybe #ubuntu-es :)
[08:21] <breezy-away> hiya, i'm looking for a java plugin for mozilla
[08:21] <breezy-away> anybody wanna point me to the rihgt direction please?
[08:21] <pestilence> breezy-away: http://java.sun.com
[08:21] <breezy-away> argh
[08:21] <goldfish> breezy-away: www.ubuntuguide.org will point you.
[08:22] <breezy-away> goldfish, it didn't
[08:22] <goldfish> huh
[08:22] <breezy-away> goldfish, i can't get that package installed
[08:22] <elcu> breezy-away: http://ubuntuguide.org/#jre
[08:22] <goldfish> hmmm...
[08:22] <goldfish> how come?
[08:22] <pestilence> yea, i don't think those instructions are valid anymore
[08:22] <tritium> breezy-away, Method 2: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java
[08:22] <goldfish> ah right
[08:22] <elcu> pestilence: really?
[08:22] <breezy-away> goldfish, couldn't find it
[08:22] <pestilence> elcu: i tried it yesterday, and it didn't work
[08:22] <fejaor> still can't get it from synaptic or sudo
[08:22] <breezy-away> goldfish, checked me sources.list too
[08:23] <infie> blurgh. Ubuntu vomited on my matrox g450
[08:23] <breezy-away> goldfish, as long as its not in that backports feed, then its not in the others
[08:23] <infie> whats the program in ubuntu (from console) to configure X?
[08:23] <Tuxicity> is Gtk under GPL or LGPL?
[08:23] <tritium> breezy-away, then use the URL I gave you
[08:23] <elcu> fejaor: http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[08:23] <pestilence> elcu: actually, i think the problem i had was the backports repositories no longer worked
[08:23] <fejaor> elcu, i did that but had a lot of errors when I included the last 3 lines
[08:23] <breezy-away> tritium, yes i am, its great
[08:23] <breezy-away> thanks all
[08:23] <pestilence> elcu: i assume that's where the java package is located, it didn't seem to be at marillat
[08:24] <Tuxicity> infie, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[08:24] <elcu> pestilence: i wouldn't know.
[08:24] <fejaor> elcu, and couldn't download acroread, flash application, w32codecs, etc
[08:24] <Tuxicity> fejaor, dont include the Backports lines
[08:25] <fejaor> Tuxicity, which ones are those_
[08:25] <fejaor> ?
[08:26] <elcu> fejaor: the ones that have "backports" in the link.
[08:26] <fejaor> I mean, i copied and paste the sample file that is in there but have a lot of errors from the links
[08:27] <Tuxicity> fejaor, maybe around lines 32 and 33
[08:27] <Tuxicity> fejaor, just put a # in front of each of these 2 lines
[08:28] <breezy-away> funny
[08:28] <mihaly> anyone here can help me get my USB mouse to work in ubuntu "live" - please?
[08:29] <fejaor> Tuxicity, I'll let you know exactly what the errors are
[08:29] <Tuxicity> fejaor, no!
[08:30] <Tuxicity> fejaor, dont paste long lines in the channel please
[08:30] <breezy-away> ah
[08:30] <breezy-away> anybody know where to get amd64 java packages?
[08:30] <mihaly> oops sorry,
[08:30] <mihaly> hit the ping buttn...sorry
[08:30] <geneo93> nickrud:  ok it compiled finally
[08:31] <elcu> mihaly: how have you plugged it in?
[08:31] <nickrud> geneo93, does it work? that is the question :)
[08:31] <mihaly> I'm trying to get USB mouse support with Ubuntu. Can I do it after boot up?
[08:31] <mihaly> err, hmmm. It was plugged in. checking ...
[08:31] <geneo93> nickrud:  didn'y install it yet looking at other options now
[08:31] <nickrud> tease
[08:31] <mihaly> yeah it's plugged into the USB port
[08:32] <Wilf3> ok big noob question now :D
[08:32] <mihaly> Im using the LIVE CD
[08:32] <mihaly> sorry/
[08:32] <mihaly> should have mentioned/.
[08:32] <nickrud> geneo93, what parameters did you give to config
[08:32] <Wilf3> i just installed amsn, what do i do so that i can just type "amsn" into terminal to run it?
[08:32] <geneo93> nickrud:  none
[08:33] <elcu> mihaly: it should be detected automatically.
[08:33] <nickrud> then ask here about checkinstall, it will make a deb that, if it doesn't work, you can remove safely :)\
[08:33] <infie> hmm, anyone had any success with matrox cards on ubuntu
[08:33] <mihaly> suppose - for the sake of argument - that I have booted the LIVE CD right now, but it has no mouse support (USB) because I hadnt chosen it at startup - could I configure it without rebooting?
[08:33] <dr_willis> Wilf3,  try typeing that and see if it works? :P would of been faster. Lol.
[08:33] <mihaly> Im using the older 4.10 version.
[08:33] <geneo93> nickrud:  alien will also with -d
[08:34] <Wilf3> dr_willis, ?
[08:34] <mihaly> it said something about detecting it and running hotplug, but the mouse' red light is OFF!
[08:34] <infie> ubuntu wants a module mga_hal
[08:34] <dr_willis> Wilf3,  the shell./terminal is an intergeral part of Linux. you can easially run stuff from the shell.. in some cases its better to run things from the shell. (for trouble shooting/debuging)
[08:34] <mihaly> its a logtech wheelmouse if thats of any relevance
[08:35] <Wilf3> yuh i can do that
[08:35] <nickrud> ah, well, you're more up on this than I am these days :)
[08:35] <Wilf3> but i am making a menu item
[08:35] <Wilf3> and in the "command" bit
[08:35] <Wilf3> i dunno what to put :P
[08:35] <Sphearion> mihaly, make sure its plugged in, I have a much newer logitech (mx1000) and it works just fine :)
[08:35] <mihaly> yes, I already checked. Its plugged in.
[08:36] <mihaly> when it boots, the light flashes at startup, but then stays off.
[08:36] <elcu> Wilf3: typoe "which asmn"
[08:36] <dr_willis> Wilf3,  same command as you typed in the shell that ran the program. it may want/need the 'full path' to the command.
[08:36] <mihaly> perhaps a BIOS setting is wrong?
[08:36] <elcu> Wilf3: or rather, type "which amsn"
[08:36] <dr_willis> Wilf3,  which you can get with the commane elcu  mentioned.
[08:37] <elcu> mihaly: do you have any other OSes installed?
[08:37] <Wilf3> but
[08:37] <Wilf3> i have to go to the directory
[08:37] <Wilf3> then type ./amsn
[08:37] <elcu> Wilf3: yes, if you want to run it from terminal.
[08:37] <Wilf3> how do i put that in "command" ? :\
[08:37] <Sphearion> I HIGHLY recommend this mouse to everyone :) http://reviews.designtechnica.com/review1820.html
[08:37] <infie> hrm, still a bit of cruft
[08:37] <Wilf3> i don't want to run it rom terminal :(
[08:37] <Wilf3> i want to have a button for it :(
[08:38] <mihaly> yes, it has windows98. I was going to install the ubuntu CD, but I have partitioning issues. Suffice to say I want to try running the ubuntu 4.10 LIVE CD. OK?
[08:38] <capi> question: with vsftpd is there a way to create virtual ftp-only users?
[08:38] <infie> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg talks about /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 still
[08:38] <elcu> Wilf3: type in the command i told you, that will give you the full path which you then enter into the command box
[08:38] <Wilf3> ah ok
[08:39] <mihaly> I think you might want "whereis" not which?
[08:39] <Wilf3> that cdommand did nothing :\
[08:39] <mihaly> to save confusion between a script and a command (executable)
[08:39] <MaxeyPad> i'm trying to install the w32codecs
[08:39] <MaxeyPad> but the w32codec package is unavailable through apt
[08:39] <elcu> mihaly: i'm not sure, sorry.
[08:40] <capi> anyone know how?
[08:40] <breezy-away> is there some sort of printer manager package?
[08:40] <breezy-away> so i can add printers and shit?
[08:40] <Wilf3> foomatics
[08:40] <Wilf3> ?
[08:40] <Myrtti> breezy-away: cups
[08:40] <elcu> Wilf3: then it's not installed
[08:40] <mihaly> Wilf3 do you mean "whereis"? try "locate" perhaps. but pipe it through "more" incase you get tonnes of output.
[08:40] <breezy-away> Myrtti, rihgt thanks
[08:40] <Wilf3> /usr/share/sgml/entities/sgml-iso-entities-9573-13.1991/ISOamsn.ent
[08:40] <Wilf3> /usr/share/sgml/entities/sgml-iso-entities-8879.1986/ISOamsn.ent
[08:40] <Wilf3> /usr/share/xml/entities/xml-iso-entities-8879.1986/ISOamsn.ent
[08:41] <Myrtti> breezy-away: you prolly have it installed already
[08:41] <mihaly> right Im going to reboot from the live CD. someone want to go through this with me?
[08:41] <Myrtti> breezy-away: System - Preferences - Printing
[08:41] <breezy-away> Myrtti, hat's a good gui then?
[08:41] <breezy-away> oh!
[08:41] <breezy-away> doh
[08:41] <breezy-away> missed that menu
[08:41] <Sphearion> system - administration - printing.. ohh golly. my printer is already there :)
[08:41] <breezy-away> thanks
[08:41] <Myrtti> breezy-away: prolly the most important menu, that is :->
[08:42] <infie> bleh.
[08:42] <mihaly> right - do I use "expert" menu?
[08:42] <sgoodwin> how can I set esd to unbind the sound device after a certain amount of time?
[08:42] <mihaly> anyone?
[08:43] <geneo93> ok anyone want to help build package with checkinstall
[08:43] <Myrtti> mihaly: what?
[08:43] <MaxeyPad> is the w32codecs package broken
[08:43] <Myrtti> MaxeyPad: prolly not, why are you asking
[08:44] <mihaly> Im booting from the LIVE CD to get my USB logitech wheel mouse to work. But am having "difficulties" - so which mode do I select at startup: expert? or submenu -more boot options?
[08:44] <Myrtti> oh
[08:44] <elcu> mihaly: try flashing your bios: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=26374&highlight=usb+mouse
[08:45] <Myrtti> oh
[08:45] <Myrtti> but be careful
[08:45] <dr_willis> Hmm a Logitech use mouse should work fine.
[08:45] <mihaly> why flash the BIOS?
[08:46] <mihaly> it's just not being initialised on startup. So I get a useless GUI.
[08:47] <YoBoY> hi
[08:47] <YoBoY> i'm discovering linux and ubuntu, and i'm trying to install a release with a software RAID0 (no multi-boot) but after my first install the system boot and reboot and reboot ... someone can help me?
[08:47] <mihaly> hmmm - elcu - it looks like it's not a simple problem?
[08:47] <Tuxicity> mihaly, make sure your BIOS is set to "Enable USB Keyboard Support"
[08:48] <mihaly> but I don't have a USB keyboard?! Only a USB mouse!!
[08:48] <MaxeyPad> they are no longer available in apt
[08:48] <elcu> mihaly: i'm just googling for you, really.  another option: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=22068&highlight=usb+mouse
[08:49] <mihaly> oh - well, I could have done that. I'm here because it seems to be a UBUNTU problem. am I mistaken?
[08:50] <mihaly> also note Im using a desktop machine, NOT a laptop.
[08:50] <infie> very odd. g400 not being autodetected
[08:50] <infie> rather, is being detected as a Savage
[08:51] <Tuxicity> mihaly, oops sory, my bad
[08:52] <infie> :(
[08:52] <Wilf3> i know there's a file
[08:52] <mihaly> righto, I have started the expert mode,
[08:52] <Wilf3> that i put in the route to the amsn file and the command, so that in terminal i only have to type "amsn" to run it
[08:52] <infie> "MGA: Failed to load module "vga_hal" (module does not exist, 0)
[08:52] <infie> er, mga_hal
[08:52] <infie> not vga_hal
[08:52] <mihaly> and it reports to have detected the mouse at /dev/input/mice/
[08:53] <lmap31416> hi there.  I am a newbie to ubuntu so please forgive me if the questions are too stupid ;-)  I am trying to install it on a notebook running on a Pentium M.  (1) Is this processor supported by the kernel 686 packages?  If it is not, after building the kernel with all I need, (2) how can I apply the linux-restricted-modules-686 to it (I need the madwifi driver)?
[08:53] <Tuxicity> mihaly, FYI my USB mouse (logitech mx500) works fine in Ubuntu 5.4 (HD install, didnt test liveCD)
[08:53] <mihaly> do I want to reconfigure my keyboard?
[08:53] <mihaly> (if I say n to these questions - I have tried once) I get NO MOUSE!
[08:54] <mihaly> also note that although it claims to have found the mouse, and hotplug apparantly is working, there are no flashing blinking lights on the mouse!
[08:54] <mihaly> wait a sec. there are ?!!
[08:54] <mihaly> yes it's lit up.
[08:55] <dr_willis> :)
[08:55] <dr_willis> Its alive!
[08:55] <Tuxicity> mihaly, magic :)
[08:55] <IIIEars> how would i open a windows share if the group is "Workgroup"   And the machine is called "BckUp" With a "Shared Docs" folder  with "All Users" permission?
[08:55] <de_DustyCiti> Hi there. Could someone tell me where I can get mplayer's source pkgs? And, what's the mplayer-custome package for?
[08:55] <mihaly> this is always the way. Something doesnt work a hundred times, then when you want to show someone else that it doesnt work, it bloddy well does. Argggh!
[08:55] <dr_willis> IIIEars,  i just use the samba share browser tools of gnome or kde. :P and go there.
[08:56] <IIIEars> it didn't show up. - doh!
[08:56] <mihaly> I don't like magic, unless I can see the trick. Whats happened here?
[08:56] <elcu> You're not alone: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=10504&highlight=african+magic
[08:56] <mihaly> ok, let me get to the gui....
[08:56] <elcu> Seems like logitech mice need to be exorcised.
[08:57] <mihaly> say "n" to "reconfigure keyboard (y/n)" . ok.
[08:57] <dr_willis> IIIEars,  useing kde right now. so i cant tell ya how/wht ya do in gnome.. but i thnk it was in the top menus. there was some network share/entry.
[08:57] <IIIEars> lol - logi - Texorcism"? - lol
[08:57] <mihaly> how do you backspace at these questions? Im getting y^H^H
[08:57] <dr_willis> try the delete key
[08:58] <mihaly> worse -> [[3~^[[3~^
[08:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> :) im back
[08:58] <dr_willis> lol - dont make mistakes then.
[08:58] <mihaly> will it freak out if I just continue anyway?
[08:59] <dr_willis> one way to find out.
[08:59] <mihaly> very funny - but Im honestly not in a humorous mood right now. troubleshooting tends tomake me rather irritable.
[08:59] <infie> me too mihaly...
[09:00] <dr_willis> sounds like for some reason your usb controller chipset isent getting set up. or somthing is confiuseing it.
[09:00] <elcu> mihaly: is this your first distro?
[09:00] <mihaly> so I hope you'll understand if I start shouting obscenities.. :)
[09:00] <mihaly> no. Ive been using linux since 1999
[09:00] <elcu> you'd be used to frustration then ;)
[09:01] <mihaly> red hat, Turbolinux, debian knoppix, and now morphix. Oh yeah and Suse for a little while.
[09:01] <IIIEars> hm - speeding up Firefox by using the toggle  "about:config" in url window then search  "network.http.pipelining =false" to true - works nicely.
[09:01] <nickrud> I still party like it's 1999
[09:01] <infie> I've never had trouble with ubuntu on nvidia or ati, but Matrox simply refuses to work
[09:01] <mihaly> yes, but it doesnt mean I deal with it any better now than back then. Im just more aware of it. :)
[09:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> where do you set your NTP servers? i have forgotten
[09:02] <elcu> IIIEars: does that work for mozilla as well?
[09:02] <mihaly> apparantly it wants me to select a keyboard ... OK.
[09:02] <IIIEars> i haven't tried it with mozilla
[09:02] <herrie-aab> elcu, i'm sorry but i can't install .. please can you help me:(?
[09:03] <mihaly> now it says that my mouse was autodetected, do I want to re-configure? Im saying no.
[09:03] <mihaly> reconfigure X11 (No)...
[09:03] <elcu> herrie-aab: what is the error?
[09:03] <geneo91> ok gnomeradio is built as deb
[09:04] <herrie-aab> elcu, in synaptic you meen?
[09:04] <mihaly> right and now it goes on to start the desktop. it takes about three minutes before I even get a desktop.... so hang on.
[09:04] <elcu> herrie-aab: yes, you were installing acroread right?
[09:04] <mihaly> BRB
[09:04] <capi> vsftpd FTP-only users installing, anyone?
[09:04] <herrie-aab> elcu,acroread???
[09:05] <elcu> herrie-aab: whoops, someone else, sorry.  what were you trying to install again?
[09:05] <geneo91> gee it needs sox
[09:05] <herrie-aab> elcu, amsn do you know? i wanna install that.
[09:06] <elcu> herrie-aab: so what went wrong?
[09:06] <herrie-aab> elcu, i can't see that file in synaptic. can i load that file?
[09:06] <elcu> geneo91: any particular reason why we need updates? :)
[09:07] <geneo91> for
[09:07] <elcu> herrie-aab: if you've followed the steps to update your repository list:
[09:07] <elcu> (1) click search
[09:07] <mihaly> awwww - no mouse action. it's light is out.
[09:07] <elcu> (2) type in amsn
[09:07] <elcu> (3) right click on it when found
[09:07] <elcu> (4) mark for installation
[09:07] <elcu> (5) apply
[09:08] <infie> hrm.
[09:08] <herrie-aab> elcu, but where i can update the list?
[09:08] <elcu> geneo91: your install process.
[09:08] <infie> Apparently the version of x.org in Hoary doesn't like Matrox cards...
[09:08] <infie> or I should say, matrox cards don't like it
[09:08] <wjesusaxl> mount: RPC: Program not registered
[09:08] <elcu> herrie-aab: using that link i gave you: http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories (assuming you're using hoary)
[09:09] <wjesusaxl> has anybody seen this problem before?
[09:09] <wjesusaxl> mount: RPC: Program not registered
[09:09] <elcu> wjesusaxl: http://www.google.com/search?q=mount%3A+RPC%3A+Program+not+registered&sourceid=mozilla&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
[09:10] <geneo91> ok need hardware man now
[09:10] <Raskall> is there a way to sync contents from a nfs-mount to a local directory? I would like to keep all my data on my server, but also have it available on my laptop when offline.
[09:10] <wjesusaxl> elcu: Het I did it before...
[09:10] <KarlosII> is there a problem with backports?
[09:10] <wjesusaxl> any of those solutions helped me
[09:10] <KarlosII> deb http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/backports hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[09:10] <KarlosII> deb http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/backports hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[09:11] <elcu> KarlosII: apparently.
[09:11] <wjesusaxl> elcu: any of those solutions helped me
[09:11] <KarlosII> k just checking, thought it might be something on my end for a sec
[09:11] <elcu> wjesusaxl: all 54,000 of them?
[09:11] <mihaly> what do I need to doin the terminal to check the mouse
[09:11] <delrone> anyone have experience stripping ubuntu of gnome and running only xfce?
[09:11] <wjesusaxl> elcu: the first three pages..
[09:12] <mihaly> what is the module called? hotplug?
[09:12] <dazzed> anyone know the package to get the dependancies for building fluxbox
[09:12] <wjesusaxl> elcu: if you don't know what the problem could be at... 'd be ok
[09:12] <elcu> wjesusaxl: no, i have no idea.
[09:13] <delrone> KarlosII: hehe
[09:13] <wjesusaxl> elcu: thanks anyway
[09:13] <elcu> sorry
[09:13] <elcu> delrone: do you have limited HDD space?
[09:13] <KarlosII> ah then I'm sympathetic
[09:13] <elcu> ah
[09:14] <delrone> elcu: yup. would love to start at a base, base level and just grab the minimum packages to run xfce, firefox, tbird, etc
[09:14] <elcu> delrone: that makes sense then.  i would've told you to just set the default session to xfce
[09:14] <mihaly> what do I type to "modinfo" to get my USB mouse to wake up?!!!
[09:14] <elcu> and leave gnome
[09:15] <delrone> i pondered if doing the server install out of the gate would give me a smaller install size, and let me add things on from there out
[09:15] <mihaly> i have a root shell ATM
[09:15] <g14> elcu: I customized a fedora install using xfce for my family
[09:15] <mihaly> it cant find modules usb or hotplug?
[09:15] <g14> elcu: using nautilus to manage the desktop and gnome-volume-manager to manage hotplug events
[09:16] <delrone> would it be possible to do a server install, and add things on from there?
[09:16] <elcu> g14: i noticed when i started nautilus in xfce, strange things would happen
[09:17] <geneo91> delrone:  what is your goal
[09:17] <mihaly> ok, never mind. I'll work it out.
[09:17] <mihaly> bye
[09:17] <g14> elcu: make a folder named ~/Desktop/Autostart
[09:17] <elcu> bye good luck
[09:17] <delrone> geneo91: a web'ish box with xfce, firefox, tbird, rox maybe for file management... machine has limited resources
[09:17] <delrone> geneo91: the baseline ubuntu install is a bit heavy
[09:17] <g14> elcu: in that folder make a script that starts nautilus --n
[09:18] <geneo91> delrone:  sure that would work
[09:18] <g14> elcu: nautilus -n starts nautilus to just manage the desktop without starting a filebrowser window
[09:18] <g14> elcu: then the script calls magicdev which starts gnome-volume-manager
[09:19] <elcu> g14: man page says --n sets nautilus to not manage the desktop
[09:19] <geneo91> if you install fluxbox make sure you get fluxcinf
[09:19] <delrone> geneo91: i'm guessing it's straight apt-get after a server install, no synaptic interface, right?
[09:19] <geneo91> yes
[09:19] <delrone> does the server install give you control over what packages get installed outside of base?
[09:19] <geneo91> but you would have to add universe repository
[09:20] <delrone> easy enough
[09:20] <spiderworm> hey all how do i watch a DVD in Ubuntu?
[09:20] <elcu> g14: i'd like to use nautilus as my file manager in xfce, but the desktop seems to "switch" a xfce/gnome hybrid.
[09:20] <g14> elcu: You are incorrect, the man page says -n is the same as --no-default-window which means it ONLY manages the desktop
[09:20] <geneo91> just use apt-get
[09:20] <elcu> g14: you're right.
[09:20] <g14> elcu: Nautilus is a much better desktop manager than xfce
[09:21] <delrone> geneo91: alright. my only worry about controlling the extra packages (if they _do_ get installed) is that the machine has limited HD space. don't need apache and sendmail for a web box :)
[09:21] <g14> elcu: I am using this as we speak :) hopefully I am right
[09:21] <elcu> g14: think i'll stick to gnome. :)
[09:21] <geneo91> crimsun:  you still about
[09:22] <geneo91> delrone:  i dont think it will install it
[09:22] <elcu> spiderworm: http://ubuntuguide.org/#dvdplayback
[09:22] <g14> elcu: it's really not that hard to do
[09:22] <delrone> spiderworm: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#dvdplayback
[09:22] <elcu> g14: why isn't that process in the documentation?
[09:22] <g14> elcu: and it's basicly gnome without gnome-panel
[09:22] <delrone> geneo91: gotcha. guess i'll find out :)
[09:23] <capi> anyone know what a PAM db is?
[09:23] <geneo91> delrone:  what kinda box you talking about
[09:23] <g14> elcu: because it's a hack. Create a script in ~/Desktop/Autostart that starts nautilus -n and magicdev to manage the desktop. Then create a ~/Desktop/.hidden file to keep the Autostart folder off of the desktop
[09:24] <elcu> g14: and that will fix the problem i described (i assume you know what i meant)
[09:24] <dazzed> g14: what are u talking about?
[09:25] <elcu> dazzed: scroll up
[09:25] <g14> elcu: I didn't read your problem
[09:25] <spiderworm> thank you, but libdvdcss2 doesnt seem to be found in the official or the universe repositories
 g14: i'd like to use nautilus as my file manager in xfce, but the desktop seems to "switch" a xfce/gnome hybrid.
[09:25] <g14> elcu: ok describe hybrid
[09:25] <dazzed> elcu:  theres an easy way
[09:26] <qkslvrwolf> yeah, spider, I've noticed that
[09:26] <qkslvrwolf> I had to search the internet to get it
[09:26] <dazzed> i use fluxbox and it happens all the time
[09:26] <g14> You should be able to disable xfce from managing the desktop through xfce-settings-show
[09:26] <g14> I think thats the right command
[09:26] <dazzed> when u launch nautilus (whatever u use to launch it) use this command nautilus --no-desktop
[09:26] <elcu> g14: the desktop background would switch to the one i had in gnome and the window switcher changed to gnome's one.
[09:26] <dazzed> g14
[09:26] <dazzed> no
[09:27] <elcu> dazzed: thanks.  i'll look into that.
[09:27] <dazzed> elcu: just run nautilus with 'nautilus --no-desktop' and itll be fine i run fluxbox and that happens to me too
[09:27] <capi> anyone know what PAM is?
[09:27] <qkslvrwolf> some kind of security thing isn' tit?
[09:27] <qkslvrwolf> PAM, I mean?
[09:28] <elcu> dazzed: cool, someone who knows what i was talking about. :)
[09:28] <elcu> ta
[09:28] <capi> don't know. I'm asumming some sort of db... not usre though, can't find it in apt anywhere
[09:28] <elcu> spiderworm: have you updated your repository list?
[09:28] <dazzed> lol no prob...just wasnt paying attention lol
[09:28] <g14> elcu: window swither?
[09:28] <GeneralCody> qkslvrwolf, it is an authentication framework
[09:28] <g14> elcu: the panel? with the menus and everything
[09:29] <elcu> g14: when you have multiple applications, instead of doing an alt-tab, you can click on the windows
[09:29] <elcu> in the panel
[09:29] <nickrud> capi, look at /etc/pam.conf and /etc/pam.d
[09:29] <GeneralCody> qkslvrwolf, PluggableAuthenticationFramework. If u come from slackware, that is not included.
[09:29] <g14> elcu: You didn't start it right
[09:29] <nickrud> beyond that, I have no answers :)
[09:29] <g14> Make a ~/Desktop/Autostart folder
[09:29] <GeneralCody> qkslvrwolf, PluggableAuthenticationModules. If u come from slackware, that is not included.
[09:29] <elcu> g14: yes, you've described the process.
[09:29] <elcu> :)
[09:29] <qkslvrwolf> fair enough
[09:30] <g14> elcu: ok good, it should work
[09:30] <herrie-aab> what is the command to install when the file is AMSN ??????:S
[09:30] <dazzed> g14: u 2 are talking about 2 complete different things
[09:30] <geneo91> nickrud:  i have the latest version of gnomeradio installed now it cant find the hardware
[09:30] <aleksi> hey i just installed linux and i dunt know how to install firefox from archive
[09:30] <g14> elcu: there is a way to keep xfce from managing the desktop
[09:30] <nickrud> geneo91, ok, I'll bite :)
[09:30] <aleksi> i never used linux before
[09:30] <nickrud> again :)
[09:30] <g14> dazzed: no I dont think so
[09:30] <GeneralCody> aleksi, are we talking ubuntu here?
[09:31] <aleksi> yes
[09:31] <Tuxicity> aleksi, isnt Firefox already installed by default?
[09:31] <nickrud> what kind of radio card do you have?
[09:31] <elcu> g14: why wouldn't you want it to?  IMO, the nautilus thing was the only problem i had with xfce.
[09:31] <geneo91> doesn't even give any errors
[09:31] <aleksi> yes but i need to uprade
[09:31] <GeneralCody> aldug, it is there, if not, apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[09:31] <Myrtti> to 1.0.3?
[09:31] <aleksi> yes
[09:31] <dazzed> g14: i solved his problem by launching 'nautilus --no-desktop' your tlaking about turning off things that are loaded onto the nautilus desktop
[09:31] <GeneralCody> aleksi,
[09:31] <Myrtti> no need
[09:31] <aleksi> why dont need?
[09:31] <Myrtti> the version you're having has the .3 fixes in it already
[09:31] <g14> dazzed: He said he wants to have nautilus manage the desktop
[09:32] <Myrtti> if you have .2
[09:32] <geneo91> nickrud:  its an old wintv card hauppauge with fm
[09:32] <elcu> g14: no i didn't. :)
[09:32] <dazzed> g14: see thats where u were misunderstood...he doesnt wnat it to
[09:32] <g14> elcu: ok well then I apologize
[09:32] <elcu> what's the difference anyway?
[09:32] <elcu> b/n xfce and nautilus managing it?
[09:32] <aleksi> have i install some virus protection i traded windows to linux
[09:32] <nickrud> geneo91, what does sudo lspic tell you about the card
[09:32] <dazzed> g14: i was reading what u guys were both talking about and i was like how are these 2 connected heheh
[09:33] <g14> elcu: but xfce doesn't have anything like gnome-volume-manager. So when you plug in a removable device, there will be an icon on the desktop
[09:33] <nickrud> geneo91, lspci :)
[09:33] <g14> dazzed: I am very inebriated and tired. I misunderstood the situation
[09:33] <elcu> so basically nautilus has better features.
[09:33] <g14> elcu: yes
[09:33] <elcu> ok.
[09:33] <dazzed> g14: i figured as much :) just trying to get things straight
[09:34] <g14> elcu: nautilus for the desktop and gnome-volume-manager for hotplug is a winning combination
[09:34] <g14> elcu: gnome is slow and very kludgy someitmes so xfce is better for speed
[09:34] <elcu> goodo
[09:34] <infie> Is there a way to search for which package I might install to get the mga_hal module?
[09:34] <Tuxicity> aleksi, not really, but it depends on your level of paranoia
[09:34] <nickrud> gnome, the desktop for the rest of us
[09:34] <geneo91> 0000:00:0e.1 Multimedia controller: Brooktree Corporation Bt878 Audio Capture (rev 02)
[09:35] <elcu> g14: what are your system specs?
[09:35] <nickrud> geneo91, ok, wait one, while i google, you should do the same
[09:35] <g14> Althon 2400 1 gb of ram 120gb 7200RPM hd
[09:36] <elcu> g14: how would gnome be slow on that beast? :)
[09:36] <g14> elcu: I use this system to test what I am going to do for my parnets computer
[09:36] <elcu> besides starup
[09:36] <elcu> *startup
[09:36] <g14> elcu: gnome is fast on this computer
[09:36] <GeneralCody> aleksi, did u mean install from a downloaded .deb package?
[09:36] <dazzed> gnome is fast on plenty of computers
[09:36] <g14> elcu: my parents have a very slow computer and I use this to test my setup that I have working for them
[09:36] <elcu> g14: ah, googo
[09:36] <elcu> *goodo
[09:36] <elcu> :)
[09:37] <geneo91> g14:  btw kde is somewhat faster
[09:37] <elcu> geneo91: really?  i've found kde apps run crap
[09:37] <dazzed> poo on kde!!
[09:37] <GNAM> i'm mad or ubuntu is a little slow about security updates?
[09:37] <GeneralCody> aleksi, if so dpkg -i <packagename>
[09:38] <geneo91> elcu:  its very fast on my p3 800's
[09:38] <Myrtti> GeneralCody: enemy territory from tar.gz
[09:38] <elcu> aleksi: you should always try to use apt-get or synaptic.  dpkg won't take care of dependencies.
[09:38] <GeneralCody> Myrtti, come again?
[09:38] <dazzed> geneo91: im not doubting its fast but do u really like it?
[09:38] <Myrtti> he want's to install enemy territory from tar.gz
[09:39] <geneo91> yes i've used nothing but kde for 6 years
[09:39] <Myrtti> wanted
[09:39] <Myrtti> I HATE it when they do that
[09:39] <g14> geneo91: your missing out, gnome is much better since they switched to metacity
[09:39] <elcu> do what?
[09:39] <Tuxicity> Myrtti, when they... quit Lol
[09:39] <Myrtti> Tuxicity: when the quit before getting help
[09:39] <GeneralCody> Myrtti, well, that is a .run shell script, so untar it: tar zxvf et-...tgz and sh et-....run
[09:40] <ivoks> g14 that happend years ago...
[09:40] <geneo91> g14 no i'm not i have gnome on all my linux installations
[09:40] <Myrtti> patience is a nonexistant virtue in modern youth
[09:40] <Myrtti> GeneralCody: nevermind, he left already
[09:40] <elcu> Myrtti: heh.  i also hate when they ask how to do something and you've already told them twice.
[09:40] <geneo91> gnome just dont meet my needs as well as kde
[09:41] <Myrtti> elcu: true
[09:41] <dazzed> lol
[09:41] <dazzed> how true how true
[09:41] <Tuxicity> If you install an app you compiled, does it mess up APT? especially if an older version of same package is installed through APT?
[09:41] <nickrud> geneo91, this is the best link I've found http://www.wh-hms.uni-ulm.de/~mfcn/gnomeradio/
[09:42] <dazzed> i should probably goto sleep sometime soon
[09:42] <elcu> Tuxicity: apparently, it appends it.
[09:42] <aleksi> I am idiot lol
[09:42] <nickrud> dazzed, depends on your timezone :)
[09:42] <g14> ivoks: yes I realize this, I've used gnome since redhat 5
[09:43] <geneo91> damn theres a deb already made
[09:43] <Myrtti> aleksi: [10:39]  < GeneralCody> Myrtti, well, that is a .run shell script, so untar it:
[09:43] <Myrtti>                        tar zxvf et-...tgz and sh et-....run
[09:43] <dazzed> 245am ...its a 1970's re run of snl on tv...nothing else on...wish adultswim wasnt playing anime tonight
[09:44] <Tuxicity> elcu, appends it??? how?
[09:44] <ivoks> g14 with enlightenment? :)
[09:44] <geneo91> nickrud:  my deb is a lot bigger than theres like 100kb bigger
[09:44] <Myrtti> I wish they'd make linux ports to Sims or Civilization 3
[09:44] <dazzed> lol Myrtti
[09:45] <nickrud> the deb you made?
[09:45] <elcu> Tuxicity: no idea, i didn't ask further. :)
[09:45] <Myrtti> though I'm not complaining
[09:45] <geneo91> yup
[09:45] <aleksi> i think that linux is too complitated to me
[09:45] <Myrtti> currently I'm playing more that I ever did with windows
[09:45] <Myrtti> same gnome is addicting
[09:45] <Myrtti> and gweled
[09:45] <ivoks> aleksi wich distro? ubuntu?
[09:45] <elcu> it's 2005!
[09:45] <nickrud> that's not necessarily a problem compiing here and there is always different :)
[09:46] <ivoks> aleksi if ubuntu is to complicated, then... I don't know, how about buying typewriter? :)
[09:46] <Myrtti> oh, and frozen bubble <3
[09:46] <Tuxicity> aleksi, just because you took the hard way
[09:46] <nickrud> as I've always said, compiling is voodoo, always consult a guru
[09:46] <elcu> :)
[09:46] <ivoks> aleksi if ubuntu is to complicated, then... I don't know, how about buying typewriter? :)
[09:46] <aleksi_> what happen all programs shutdown
[09:46] <elcu> ivoks: lol
[09:46] <Myrtti> elcu: what can I say, I'm an oldfashioned girl
[09:46] <geneo91> nickrud:  mine has support for 10 langauges
[09:47] <ivoks> couse i find ubuntu much easier to use than windows
[09:47] <nickrud> geneo91, that will add a lot :)
[09:47] <ivoks> on ubuntu everything worked after install, which is almost non-interactive
[09:47] <ivoks> on windows, nothing worked after install
[09:47] <elcu> ivoks: i can't agree with you there.
[09:47] <smouche> not having a freaking registry simplifies things enormously, even for computer illiterates like me..
[09:48] <aleksi_> i have some computer expirent but linux is too complitated for me lol
[09:48] <Myrtti> it's the windows way of thinking that makes it hard
[09:48] <ivoks> elcu with what?
[09:48] <smouche> 'course that gconfig thing was annoying enough, so I'm happier with kde than gnome.
[09:48] <elcu> Myrtti: you don't need to think with windows
[09:48] <elcu> wizards galore
[09:48] <Myrtti> elcu: my point exactly
[09:48] <ivoks> ah... windows generations
[09:48] <elcu> ivoks: linux being easier
[09:49] <ivoks> elcu ubuntu as a distro is much easier than windows
[09:49] <ivoks> elcu come on... let's go through couple examples
[09:49] <aleksi_> windows is lot easier than linux
[09:49] <whiteknight> its getting to the point where you don't need to think with ubuntu
[09:49] <whiteknight> :)
[09:49] <ivoks> elcu how do u install apps on windows? download, run install, choose dir, click next, i agree etc..
[09:49] <ivoks> elcu how do u install it on ubuntu? synaptic, choose app, apply
[09:49] <Myrtti> ivoks: one word: synaptic
[09:50] <ivoks> can it be easier?
[09:50] <elcu> ivoks: i'll stop you there
[09:50] <elcu> ivoks: what happens if there's no deb package?
[09:50] <elcu> elcu: install from source
[09:50] <elcu> right?
[09:50] <ivoks> ah...
[09:50] <Myrtti> elcu: download a .rpm and alien -i package.rpm
[09:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> elcu. if theres no EXE file?
[09:51] <geneo91> ok nickrud it says could not open device /dev/radio when i open it as root
[09:51] <ivoks> u don't understand desktop user thinkging
[09:51] <elcu> Myrtti: what if they don't supply an rpm
[09:51] <elcu> i've found this case many times
[09:51] <ivoks> if something isn't listed, it doesn't egzist
[09:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> elcu make install
[09:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> if you dont want to learn, get off linux
[09:51] <ivoks> even compile is easier than install
[09:51] <elcu> Myrtti: you have to use dpkg to install it.  which doesn't count for dependencies
[09:51] <elcu> see what i'm saying?
[09:52] <elcu> ivoks: until you get errors
[09:52] <ivoks> elcu apt-file?
[09:52] <gerb> hallo
[09:52] <gerb> ik ben hier ook
[09:52] <Myrtti> elcu: in most cases I've found what I was searching for in either ubuntu repos or in debian repos
[09:52] <elcu> Kamping_Kaiser: i agree
[09:52] <Myrtti> I've had to only once use the alien -i thing with .rpms
[09:52] <cyphase> We all know Linux is great...it does infinite loops in 5 seconds.
[09:52] <elcu> Myrtti: but that is not always the case.
[09:53] <ivoks> elcu and what if u can't find app for windows?
[09:53] <elcu> with windows, there's only one way to install stuff
[09:53] <ivoks> elcu what if some app costs xxxxxx$?
[09:53] <aleksi_> i hate windows because it unstable
[09:53] <elcu> ivoks: then it truly doesn't exist
[09:53] <ivoks> elcu not true
[09:53] <elcu> ivoks: we're talking about eas of use, not cost
[09:54] <drcodede> Hi all
[09:54] <cyphase> hey
[09:54] <Goonie> can anyone help me with a problem I'm having?
[09:54] <ivoks> elcu well... "desktop use" doesn't know what compile is
[09:54] <smouche> elcu, "only one way to install stuff" ?  what kind of windows are you using?
[09:54] <ivoks> elcu tell me, what desktop app did u compile?
[09:54] <warty> help
[09:54] <elcu> smouche: heh, xp
[09:54] <beowu1f> any south africans lurkin in this channel?
[09:54] <elcu> ivoks: applications for school.
[09:55] <ivoks> elcu what apps?
[09:55] <warty> can not mount devices!!!!!!!!
[09:55] <smouche> you can install many many open source apps in winxp , without changing the registry, or build from source, all that
[09:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> realy?
[09:55] <smouche> if you want
[09:55] <daile> hey warty, what's up?
[09:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> warty wats up?
[09:55] <elcu> :)
[09:55] <geneo91> nickrud:  it works
[09:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)_
[09:55] <ivoks> :)
[09:55] <warty> i am talking now from live cd
[09:55] <ivoks> elcu we don't question that
[09:55] <ivoks> :)
[09:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[09:55] <geneo91> cool
[09:55] <Goonie> after I upgraded from warty to hoary the system seems to be using ipw2200 instead of ndiswrapper and it's not working well... How do I completely uninstall ipw2200 ?
[09:55] <MrMiaow> anyone within throwing distance of ajmitch?
[09:55] <elcu> ivoks: another thing:  linux assumes you have an internet connection
[09:56] <ivoks> Goonie ipw2200 is great!
[09:56] <elcu> to install stuff
[09:56] <ivoks> elcu that's right
[09:56] <ivoks> and windows don't?
[09:56] <warty> when i am starting it said trhat can not mount devices
[09:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> or lots of cds
[09:56] <elcu> windows doesn't
[09:56] <ivoks> lol
[09:56] <ivoks> then, how would u download apps?
[09:56] <IIIEars> aleksi - Welcome!
[09:56] <Agrajag> elcu: "linux" assumes no such thing
[09:56] <elcu> Agrajag: yes it does.
[09:56] <IIIEars> lol - oops
[09:56] <daile> warty, frankly I don't live Ubuntu LiveCD that much
[09:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> no it doesnt
[09:56] <ivoks> elcu linux, it self, doesn't
[09:56] <daile> :)
[09:56] <aleksi_> ty
[09:56] <Goonie> ivoks~ well I get errors on boot and the connection dies after a while... and I can't get it up again without rebooting
[09:56] <Agrajag> elcu: I believe you mean "ubuntu"
[09:56] <warty> why?
[09:57] <Agrajag> linux is just a kernel, it doesn't assume a thing
[09:57] <daile> it's not as good as some other LiveCD
[09:57] <nickrud> geneo91, I take alllllll the credit :)
[09:57] <elcu> Agrajag: OK then.  forgive me
[09:57] <ivoks> Agrajag it does
[09:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> warty. are you having problems mounting from an installed system, or onto the live cd?
[09:57] <warty> so what can i do
[09:57] <warty> ?
[09:57] <daile> but once installed, Ubuntu works like a charm
[09:57] <ivoks> Agrajag it assums that /etc/inittab will be there :)
[09:57] <geneo91> sure nickrud thats fine
[09:57] <Agrajag> all of these distros can be considered to be completely different OSes that happen to share a kernel
[09:57] <warty> an installed system:hoary
[09:57] <daile> try other liveCD more mature like Knoppix
[09:57] <smouche> comparing linux to windows, head to head, like this is pointless, imho.  Windows is just windows
[09:57] <Agrajag> and some bits of userland
[09:57] <smouche> but with linux
[09:58] <ivoks> Goonie well... what errors?
[09:58] <smouche> your experience of it depends a lot on distro and flavor
[09:58] <nickrud> geneo91, I'm too old to anything else but flippant
[09:58] <bleezy> wwow that was werd
[09:58] <daile> I always use Knoppix for rescue purpose, because it has better hardware detection
[09:58] <ivoks> i know that every windows OS crashes when i try to work on it
[09:58] <Goonie> ivoks~ I get these errors:
[09:58] <Goonie> ipw2200: Fatal error
[09:58] <Goonie> ipw2200: Start IPW Error Log Dump:
[09:58] <Goonie> ipw2200: Status: 0x00000100, Config: 00000142
[09:58] <Goonie> ipw2200: Start IPW Event Log Dump:
[09:58] <ivoks> i opet too many apps and everything becomes blue
[09:58] <daile> warty, just install hoary
[09:59] <daile> it's perfectly good
[09:59] <geneo91> nickrud:  the secrete was changing permissions and and adding a 0 to /dev/radio = /dev/radio0
[09:59] <daile> warty, but why do you want to use hoary LiveCD, do you want to test something ?
[09:59] <smouche> WindowsXp boots faster -- of course it -- has -- to, since it needs so much rebooting!
[09:59] <IIIEars> if you are new a nice first addition is "Firestarter" firewall - i believe it is in synaptic - (A blackhole for bad packets - evil grin)
[09:59] <ivoks> Goonie is ur wifi swith turned on?
[09:59] <ivoks> Goonie what lap is that?
[09:59] <elcu> i didn't have a net connection a while ago.  i had to manually download deb files from my windows partition and install applications using dpkg.  dependency errors kept cropping up, so i had to download package after package. (on a dialup modem mind you, switching back and forth)
[09:59] <nickrud> ok, no credit :)
[09:59] <bleezy> hello
[09:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> daile warty is using live because he cant boot his install
[10:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> his / her
[10:00] <ivoks> elcu apt-get --print-uris?
[10:00] <Goonie> ivoks~ yes the switch is on and its an Acer Travelmate 8002
[10:00] <bleezy> how do i configure my graphics ???
[10:00] <bleezy> keeps failing
[10:00] <elcu> ivoks: E: Command line option --print-uri is not understood
[10:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> what fails bleezy
[10:00] <bleezy> and tells me that i cant su
[10:00] <ivoks> elcu uris
[10:00] <bleezy> graphics
[10:00] <bleezy> trying to load gui
[10:00] <Agrajag> you don't use su in ubuntu, you use sudo
[10:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> whats teh error?
[10:01] <ivoks> Goonie this ipw2200 are from source or restricted modules?
[10:01] <bleezy> AHHHH
[10:01] <geneo91> bleezy:  do a sudo passwd root
[10:01] <IIIEars> smouche - you might be right if you didn't need so many other monitoring apps spybot for the registry, stinger for the browser and an anti virus - this system idled at 7% - 15% cpu usage - lol
[10:01] <ivoks> elcu apt-get --print-uris install kde
[10:01] <bleezy> koo
[10:01] <bleezy> 1 down
[10:01] <elcu> ivoks: now you tell me!!!!!!!!!
[10:01] <ivoks> :)
[10:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol @ bleezy
[10:01] <bleezy> now do i run gdm >
[10:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes
[10:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> restart
[10:02] <Goonie> ivoks~ I don't know... I just upgraded from warty to hoary and there it was... I was using ndiswrapper in warty and the upgrade seems to have uninstalled ndiswrapper
[10:02] <bleezy> lol peice of cake compared to gentoo
[10:02] <ivoks> Goonie what kernel?
[10:02] <aleksi_> arrg
[10:02] <IIIEars> how does Ubuntu compare to Suse 9.2?
[10:02] <Goonie> ivoks~ 2.6.10-5-386
[10:03] <bleezy> now i cant sudo
[10:04] <ivoks> Goonie do u have linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-5-386?
[10:04] <ivoks> Goonie and why don't u install -686? i guess u aren't running on 386 or 586 proc? :)
[10:04] <bleezy> says i have to be root to run gdm
[10:04] <ivoks> Goonie s/586/486/
[10:05] <bleezy> lol now says already runni
[10:05] <bleezy> n
[10:05] <bleezy> no graphics = popoooo
[10:05] <daile>  IIIEars, I don't have so good experience with Suse 9.2. Ubuntu always seems to be better
[10:05] <smouche> IIIEars , you're right -- whenever I want to complain about the learning curve in linux, I think of all the time spent just keeping XP reasonably clean
[10:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> you do have to be root to run  gdm bleezy
[10:05] <ivoks> IIIEars i hate suse
[10:06] <bleezy> ok
[10:06] <bleezy> well says im runnin it already
[10:06] <fjork> It is not documented anywhere, but people trying to get Ubuntu going on Matrox Millenium cards need to download a driver from matrox
[10:06] <bleezy> how i run xconfig
[10:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> type this bleezy
[10:06] <ivoks> bleezy ctrl alt f7
[10:06] <bleezy> for somehting
[10:06] <fjork> For x.org
[10:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[10:06] <fjork> and the documentation seems to indicate that this driver is not required for non-Parhelia-based cards
[10:06] <Tuxicity> fjork, it is on the wiki, no?
[10:07] <Goonie> ivoks~ I'm a newbie at this so I don't know if I'm running linux-restricted-modules and I didn't choose 386... I just installed warty from an install cd and upgraded to hoary... now this is the system I got
[10:07] <fjork> no
[10:07] <ivoks> Goonie do this in terminal:
[10:07] <fjork> "Install the Matrox driver if any of these are true:"
[10:07] <ivoks> Goonie sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-686 linux-image-686
[10:08] <bleezy> Kamping_Kaiser: no workie
[10:08] <ivoks> Goonie this combination works great with my intel wirelesspro
[10:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> bleezy. any error in particular? or just not working?
[10:08] <bleezy> cant see the error
[10:08] <bleezy> box is blank
[10:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok
[10:08] <bleezy> but says config gdm and restart
[10:08] <ivoks> bleezy sudo vim /varlo/gXorg.0.log
[10:08] <ivoks> fuck...
[10:09] <ivoks> bleezy sudo vim /varlog/Xorg.0.log
[10:09] <Tuxicity> Is irssi installed by default in Hoary?
[10:09] <ivoks> grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
[10:09] <ivoks> bleezy sudo vim /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[10:09] <Goonie> ivoks~ it's running... no let's hope the connection doesn't die before the dl finishes hehe
[10:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> have you gone
[10:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[10:09] <bleezy> now what 1  >>>
[10:09] <ivoks> Goonie what proc is in that lap?
[10:09] <Tuxicity> nvm
[10:09] <ivoks> bleezy look for errors
[10:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> bleezy do
[10:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> tail /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[10:09] <bleezy> k
[10:09] <ivoks> logs are wanderfull thing
[10:10] <ivoks> they say everything
[10:10] <Goonie> ivoks~ 1.5 Intel Pentium M (banias)
[10:10] <ivoks> bleezy go to the end of file (shift g)
[10:10] <ivoks> bleezy and take a look...
[10:10] <ivoks> Goonie nice... mine is 1.4
[10:11] <bleezy> well i cant find a xorg.log anywharee
[10:11] <ivoks> bleezy sure u can
[10:12] <ivoks> bleezy cd /var/log/
[10:12] <ivoks> bleezy cat Xorg.0.log
[10:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> needs a capital X breezy
[10:12] <fejaor> does anybody know how to erase an icon from the Applications-->internet option??
[10:12] <Goonie> ivoks~ yup I'm happy with my Acer laps... got a 64 bit AMD 3000XP one as well but I don't really like the noise it produces... but the power is immense for a laptop
[10:12] <bleezy> 0files
[10:12] <ivoks> Goonie does the sleep mode works on ur lap?
[10:13] <bleezy> negative :(
[10:13] <ivoks> bleezy ?
[10:13] <ivoks> bleezy there has to be
[10:13] <ivoks> bleezy sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg
[10:13] <fejaor> does anybody know how to erase an icon from the Applications-->internet option...I got a duplicated icon and want it to erase one of them...
[10:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> bleezy are you running hoary or warty?
[10:14] <ivoks> fejaor /usr/share/applications
[10:14] <Goonie> ivoks~ haven't checked actually..
[10:14] <ivoks> fejaor all the programs in menu are in that dir
[10:14] <bleezy> cant find package
[10:14] <bleezy> ivoks:
[10:14] <ivoks> bleezy ?
[10:14] <bleezy> Kamping_Kaiser:  i dunno
[10:14] <fejaor> thanks
[10:15] <bleezy> ivoks: cant find packages
[10:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> bleezy type sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> does it work or not?
[10:15] <ivoks> bleezy cat /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:15] <bleezy> k hold on
[10:15] <ivoks> Kamping_Kaiser well, it won't couse he didn't install it
[10:15] <IamJacksUsername> 5.04, Firefox 1.02: alert, connection has terminated unexpectedly dialog box won't close when clicking on OK, or on the close window "x", or on the left menu "Close", or Alt F4, or right clicking on the "minimized window" on the open applications panel then Close. Is there a way to force close apps? Also Xine doesn't want to close.
[10:16] <ivoks> IamJacksUsername sure there is; kill
[10:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> or ctrl+alt+esc
[10:16] <smouche> IamJacksUsername, from a terminal, just type killall nameofapp
[10:16] <bleezy> Kamping_Kaiser:
[10:16] <xelpud> xkill would work
[10:16] <bleezy> didnt find anything
[10:16] <fejaor> ivoks, i can erase any cause it said i dont have permissions
[10:16] <ivoks> IamJacksUsername as u can see, there are many ways :)
[10:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok. then looking for  xorg isnt going to help imho
[10:16] <ivoks> fejaor sudo rm
[10:17] <bleezy> yes agreed
[10:17] <Goonie> ivoks~ should I reboot now to check if I get the errors on boot?
[10:17] <ivoks> bleezy and u don't know what distro u instalated?
[10:17] <ivoks> :) omg, how can we help u then?
[10:17] <bleezy> cd did it all
[10:17] <bleezy> guess it a live cd
[10:17] <ivoks> Goonie u should first run lilo
[10:17] <bleezy> dunno
[10:17] <ivoks> Goonie and then reboot and start -686 kernel
[10:17] <IamJacksUsername> ctrl+al+escape doesn't seem to do anything. How do I find the name for the app to do a killall in the console?
[10:18] <Q_Continuum_> anyone here use cedega?
[10:18] <ivoks> IamJacksUsername ps ax
[10:18] <Goonie> ivoks~ lilo?
[10:18] <transgress> anyone feel like suggesting a good cheap dvd burner to me?  i'm looking at a samsung on newegg
[10:18] <ivoks> Goonie or grub
[10:18] <Goonie> ivoks~ ahh
[10:18] <Q_Continuum_> Cedega locked up on me, starting World of Warcraft (after patch) and I can't get out...mouse is locked.
[10:18] <ivoks> Goonie what u use? lilo or grub?
[10:18] <bleezy> can i d/l something to hep
[10:18] <bleezy> thelp
[10:18] <ivoks> bleezy brain
[10:18] <Goonie> ivoks~ grub
[10:18] <bleezy> ahhh
[10:18] <ivoks> bleezy what distro did u download?
[10:18] <bleezy> dick
[10:18] <bleezy> ubuntu
[10:18] <ivoks> Goonie then go to /boot/grub/menu.lst
[10:18] <bleezy> duh
[10:19] <ivoks> bleezy which version?
[10:19] <bleezy> newest
[10:19] <ivoks> then it has to be xserver-orc
[10:19] <ivoks> then it has to be xserver-org
[10:19] <bleezy> k
[10:19] <ivoks> Goonie and check out what is default?
[10:20] <Goonie> ivoks~ default = 0
[10:20] <ivoks> Goonie ?
[10:20] <ivoks> Goonie ok, never mind..
[10:20] <ivoks> Goonie restart and on the boot scree choose the kernel with 686 in it's name
[10:21] <fejaor> ivoks, I only see one on the terminal but when I open the location from computer, it appears 2 of them :S
[10:22] <IamJacksUsername> thanks for the "ps ax" ivoks. I killed the Firefox with kill <pid>, but xine doesn't want to die like that.
[10:22] <ivoks> fejaor which app is twice?
[10:22] <Goonie> ivoks~ thx.. brb to let u know if this made a difference
[10:22] <fejaor> gaim
[10:22] <ivoks> IamJacksUsername from that term run xkill
[10:22] <ivoks> IamJacksUsername and click on xine
[10:22] <IamJacksUsername> Ah...
[10:22] <ivoks> fejaor run in /usr/share/applications this:
[10:23] <ivoks> fejaor  grep -sr Exec=gaim *
[10:23] <Q_Continuum_> Help! My box is locked into Cedega!  I can't kill it!  help me figure out how to kill the process (can't use the mouse)
[10:23] <ivoks> ctrl+alt+backspace
[10:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> ouch
[10:23] <Q_Continuum_> grrr.
[10:23] <ivoks> :)
[10:23] <fejaor> ivoks, gaim.desktop:Exec=gaim
[10:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> :( bugger eh
[10:23] <ivoks> u see... it works
[10:23] <devazion_> Q_Continuum, ctrl + alt + f1 and login, then killall -9 whine
[10:23] <Q_Continuum_> there went everything. lol.
[10:24] <ivoks> well, it isn't locked anymore :)
[10:24] <ivoks> fejaor only one?
[10:24] <ivoks> fejaor hm... then go to /usr/share/applnk
[10:24] <ivoks> fejaor and grep -sr gaim *
[10:25] <fejaor> ivoks, nothing happened
[10:25] <fejaor> ivoks, Cannot move "/usr/share/app.../gaim.desktop"
[10:26] <ivoks> fejaor ok... and?
[10:26] <Q_Continuum> *sigh*
[10:26] <ivoks> don't move that
[10:26] <ivoks> that's an OK file
[10:26] <fejaor> ivoks, to the trash because you do not have permissions to change it or its parent folder.
[10:26] <Goonie> ivoks~ still get those errors on boot
[10:26] <ivoks> Goonie what uname -a says?
[10:27] <ivoks> sorry
[10:27] <ivoks> -r
[10:27] <ivoks> uname -r
[10:27] <freewoody> Hi all
[10:27] <Goonie> ivoks~ Linux goonielap 2.6.10-5-686 #1 Tue Apr 5 12:27:02 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
[10:27] <freewoody> How do I set my gateway using ifconfig
[10:27] <ivoks> Goonie wohoh!! u have -686 now :) ok... lsmod? does it says ipw2200 enywhere?
[10:27] <freewoody> How do I define my IP, NetMask, gateway using ifconfig
[10:28] <fejaor> ivoks, so what's next with my issue?
[10:28] <ivoks> fejaor how that icon get there?
[10:28] <fejaor> ivoks, I installed the most recent gaim version from the website
[10:28] <geneo91> freewoody:  ifconf -h
[10:28] <Goonie> ivoks~ yes lsmod lists ipw2200 and says it's being used by 0
[10:28] <ivoks> fejaor how?
[10:29] <ivoks> Goonie sudo rmmode ipw2200
[10:29] <Tuxicity> ivoks, autopackage
[10:29] <fejaor> ivoks, downloaded the file and run it in a terminal ./
[10:29] <ivoks> wtf?
[10:29] <freewoody> ifconfig 192.168.1.10 netmask 255.255.255.0 should do it
[10:29] <Tuxicity> ivoks, autopackage he used
[10:29] <ivoks> ok
[10:30] <ivoks> so fejaor which gaim u would like to use now? that from the distro or that u downloaded?
[10:30] <Bleezy> ivoks no bueno
[10:30] <ivoks> ?
[10:30] <Bleezy> didnt work
[10:30] <Goonie> ivoks~ did you mean rmmod ipw2200 ? rmmode is not a command
[10:30] <fejaor> the one I downloaded
[10:30] <ivoks> too much shouting ivoks on this channel :)
[10:30] <freewoody> Help somebody I need to bring up the interface for my NIC Cards
[10:30] <Bleezy> lol pimp
[10:30] <ivoks> Goonie yeah, sorry, typo
[10:31] <fejaor> ivoks, the one I downloaded
[10:31] <ivoks> fejaor then it's simple
[10:31] <freewoody> How do I assing IP 192.168.1.10 , Netmask 255.255.255.0, Gateway 192.168.1.1
[10:31] <geneo91> freewoody:  network-admin
[10:31] <ivoks> fejaor sudo aptitude purge gaim
[10:31] <ivoks> freewoody IP u can with ifconfig
[10:32] <freewoody> there is no X for the server
[10:32] <ivoks> freewoody for gw use route
[10:32] <freewoody> thanks
[10:32] <freewoody> I have 4 NIC Cards
[10:32] <ivoks> then ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.10 up
[10:32] <fejaor> ivoks, it removed ubuntu-desktop and gaim ubuntu-desktop
[10:32] <ivoks> route add 192.168.1.1 eth1
[10:32] <ivoks> fejaor great
[10:33] <ivoks> fejaor do u have two icons now?
[10:33] <fejaor> ivoks, yes
[10:33] <freewoody> ivoks, what about the Netmask ?
[10:33] <Sphearion>  ok besides the ubuntu forums where else can I find good customization tips and tricks (i already did all the ones I liked on the forums)
[10:33] <fejaor> ivoks, but neither of them are working now
[10:33] <ivoks> fejaor log out and log in back
[10:33] <ivoks> freewoody nm is 255.255.255.0 by default
[10:33] <ulisse> hi channel
[10:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi
[10:34] <ivoks> freewoody sorry, typo
[10:34] <ulisse> I've been forced to change my mobo, with LAN on it, and now I'm unable to connect anymore
[10:34] <freewoody> What if I want to put 255.255.255.248 in the Netmask
[10:34] <ivoks> freewoody route add 192.168.1.1 eth0
[10:34] <ulisse> is it possible to reconfigure all network interfaces?
[10:34] <freewoody> I don't understand typ0
[10:34] <ivoks> freewoody ifconfig --help
[10:35] <fejaor> ivoks, still 2 icons no access
[10:35] <fejaor> :S
[10:35] <ivoks> well, sorry, u fucked up something
[10:35] <ivoks> and i don't have time to investigate that
[10:36] <ivoks> + u know shit about linux
[10:36] <ivoks> :)
[10:36] <ulisse> freewoody, netmask is a value similar to 1/0 where 255 is 1 and 0 is 0, so 255.255.255.248 makes no sense
[10:37] <Goonie> ivoks~ well... that of course ended my connection, what should I have done after rmmod ipw2200?
[10:37] <ivoks> Goonie then ur wireless works :)
[10:37] <ulisse> freewoody, the 0 represents the values in IP that can be changed on a network
[10:38] <FourFingeredFred> hey
[10:38] <ulisse> freewoody, i.e. if you have less than 255 computers on a network, you can use the IP range from 192.168.0.1 to 192.168.0.255
[10:38] <tremor_> ulisse: actually, 255.255.255.248 can be a netmask
[10:38] <ulisse> tremor_, really?
[10:38] <ivoks> ulisse yeah... that's an ok netmask
[10:39] <Goonie> ivoks~ well you see the wireless works but not for long periods of time... It breaks the connection after a random amount of time.. that's why I was thinking about going back to ndiswrapper
[10:39] <ivoks> if u want to split one network
[10:39] <ulisse> and what does it means?
[10:39] <ivoks> Goonie ? never happend to me...
[10:39] <tremor_> ulisse: it means you have 3 bits available for the host part, while all the others are network bits
[10:39] <ivoks> u can have two networks on one switch but one not aware of the other
[10:40] <ulisse> tremor_, so I didnt't understand anything about networking... :-((
[10:40] <Goonie> ivoks~ no but you probably don't get those errors on boot either.
[10:40] <ivoks> Goonie paste them one more time
[10:41] <XplOzIon> hi
[10:41] <FourFingeredFred> I installed Ubuntu, and I'm trying to set up ndiswrapper, but when i do make install i got an error that the kernel sources cannot be found, where do i get them?
[10:41] <Goonie> ipw2200: Fatal error
[10:41] <Goonie> ipw2200: Start IPW Error Log Dump:
[10:41] <Goonie> ipw2200: Status: 0x00000100, Config: 00000142
[10:41] <Goonie> ipw2200: Start IPW Event Log Dump:
[10:41] <tremor_> NNNNNNNN NNNNNNNN NNNNNNNN NNNNN HHH, meaning you have a lot of networks with very few PC's
[10:42] <ivoks> Goonie http://bughost.org/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=293&action=view like this?
[10:42] <tremor_> but beside that, using a subnet mask like that on a home network is really overkill
[10:42] <XplOzIon> how do i fix brokes packages??
[10:43] <geneo91> apt-get -f install
[10:43] <ulisse> tremor_, I have a network related problem too
[10:43] <tremor_> ulisse: shoot :-)
[10:43] <Goonie> ivoks~ no just those 4 lines... then everything starts normal... wireless works and everything looks sweet... until the wireless connection dies
[10:43] <freewoody> I have been given a job to setup a RAS Server which has 4 NIC cards
[10:44] <ulisse> tremor_, I changed my LAN chip, hoary recognized it but I am unable to connect to my router anymore
[10:44] <freewoody> I really am lost at the moment for the given job
[10:44] <ulisse> tremor_, when I set the use of DHCP to get the IP, Hoary says that he can't start the interface
[10:44] <freewoody> I am just given a list of IP Addresses and Netmaks and the default gateway
[10:44] <tremor_> ulisse: is your gateway properly configured ?
[10:45] <freewoody> By the way, my gateway is a router
[10:45] <freewoody> Is there any way to access that router
[10:45] <ulisse> tremor_, with the old config the GW was retrieved automatically from the router
[10:45] <ivoks> Goonie nothing after log dump:? hm...
[10:45] <XplOzIon> geneo91, thanks
[10:46] <geneo91> np
[10:46] <tremor_> ulisse: try using command line commands, like:
[10:46] <Goonie> ivoks~ no nothing.. everything seems to be working just fine for a while
[10:46] <ivoks> Goonie try to modprobe module with:
[10:46] <ivoks> Goonie modprobe ipw2200 debug=0x10ff
[10:46] <freewoody> What is the best way to configure a Firewall for my Server running on Warty
[10:47] <XplOzIon> one of my hdds just died ='( sniff sniff
[10:47] <tremor_> ulisse: something like --> ifconfig ethX down && ifconfig ethX 192.168.0.X netmask 255.255.255.0 broadcast 192.168.0.255 && route add -net default gw 192.168.0.1 netmask 0.0.0.0 metric 1 ethX
[10:47] <ivoks> Goonie sorry
[10:47] <tremor_> && ifconfig ethX up
[10:47] <ivoks> Goonie not that
[10:47] <ivoks> Goonie acctually, that's ok :)
[10:48] <IIIEars> XPlozion - if it is western digital or seagate there are some good tools on the manufacturers site that might revive it.
[10:48] <ulisse> tremor_, but in that way I use a fixed IP, not DHCP
[10:48] <freewoody> How do I configure IP Tables in Ubuntu ?
[10:48] <ivoks> Goonie then rmmod it, and modprobe it normally again
[10:48] <tremor_> yes, i know, but just check if it works
[10:48] <freewoody> How can I change the default /home to /usr/home ?
[10:49] <ivoks> freewoody ?
[10:49] <htaccess> hi trying to get mp3 playback working in xmms as per: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats plays oggs not mp3, doesnt say i need to install a codec package, is this true how do i get it working?
[10:49] <ulisse> tremor_, ok, I have to disconnect from here, to check. Back soon...
[10:49] <ivoks> freewoody u meen when crating user?
[10:49] <ivoks> freewoody /etc/adduser.conf
[10:49] <freewoody> I want to have the home directories /home shifted to /usr/home
[10:49] <XplOzIon> IIIEars, its a WD, and i do have a CD that fixs hdds, but i think that its demo softwares
[10:49] <IIIEars> "" - your question htaccess
[10:49] <kellemelle> hallo
[10:49] <tremor_> freewoody: it is a command line parameter for usermod and useradd
[10:49] <kellemelle> kan iemand nl
[10:49] <freewoody> Well I want the users to have the home directories in /usr/home
[10:50] <htaccess> IIIEars, hu?
[10:50] <ivoks> freewoody that u specify when crating user
[10:50] <XplOzIon> IIIEars, the real pain is that it was my downloads hdd ='(
[10:50] <wdh> does anyone have any clue why 'nicotine' is not able to connect to its server after X has crashed?? it used to work fine.. and i _can_ ping it
[10:50] <freewoody> I just want to /usr/home
[10:50] <IIIEars> I haven't configured mp3's :/
[10:50] <ivoks> freewoody or u can make it default behavior in /etc/adduser.conf
[10:50] <wdh> kellemelle, /join #ubuntu-nl
[10:50] <ivoks> freewoody but, u'll have a lot problems with that...
[10:50] <freewoody> If a user types /home , it should automatically go to /usr/home
[10:51] <ivoks> freewoody are u blind?
[10:51] <kellemelle> ok
[10:51] <freewoody> Why ?
[10:51] <XplOzIon> IIIEars, what tool can i use? where to get em?
[10:51] <ivoks> freewoody we told u how
[10:51] <freewoody> OK I get it
[10:51] <freewoody> What will be the dangers of doing that ?
[10:51] <IIIEars> lol - i feel your pain lost 120gigs on an attempt at installing Suse - (do you hae any aspirin? i am fresh out.)
[10:52] <kellemelle> hello
[10:52] <IIIEars> it is on there support page - just a sec i'll find the link
[10:52] <freewoody> ivoks, how do I configure IP Tables or a easy firewall for my Server ?
[10:52] <ivoks> freewoody a lot of apps look at /home/$username
[10:52] <Goonie> ivoks~ ok... I did what u said
[10:52] <ivoks> freewoody reading manual and HOWTOs
[10:52] <freewoody> OK, I got it
[10:52] <XplOzIon> IIIEars, damn just lost 80Gigs, 120gigs sata hdd coming this week =)
[10:52] <kellemelle> hello
[10:53] <XplOzIon> hi
[10:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> kellemelle. are you in the right channel?
[10:53] <wdh> kellemelle, typ /join #ubuntu-nl, daar praten de mensen nederlands :)
[10:53] <freewoody> Is there any firewall softwares that I can install using: apt-get  ?
[10:53] <ivoks> Goonie now take a look at /var/log/syslog
[10:53] <ivoks> freewoody yeah, iptables
[10:53] <tremor_> ivoks: that would be crappy apps then, they should all look for the HOME var, or use a decent method to get the home dir
[10:53] <ivoks> tremor_ I agree
[10:53] <IIIEars> ouch i don't have the link. (sheepish grin)
[10:53] <XplOzIon> IIIEars, so what can i use to repair the hdd?
[10:53] <ivoks> tremor_ but, they all don't
[10:53] <freewoody> How easy will IP Tables be to configure ?
[10:53] <htaccess> anyone got xmms playing mp3s?
[10:53] <ivoks> freewoody never worked before? :)
[10:54] <ivoks> freewoody very hard, then :)
[10:54] <tremor_> ivoks: could be, never tried creating a home dir outside /home
[10:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes htaccess. right now
[10:54] <ivoks> htaccess sure
[10:54] <daile> htaccess, you should read the Ubuntu Starter Guide
[10:55] <kellemelle> hallo
[10:55] <IIIEars> i tried dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda bs=512 limited success - the WD tools fixed the virtual partition trouble and set the rught dimensions.
[10:55] <tremor_> htaccess: install xmms+mpg123 or  xmms-mad+libmad
[10:55] <wdh> kellemelle, look in your private messages..
[10:55] <IIIEars> linux hasn't done a thing for my spelling - lol
[10:55] <kellemelle> join #ubuntu
[10:55] <MrMiaow> "Hoary Hedgehog"? Ok I have to ask.. where did that come from? :)
[10:55] <geneo91> htaccess:  i do
[10:56] <XplOzIon> IIIEars, i see
[10:56] <wdh> kellemelle, je moet het volgende typen: /join #ubuntu-nl
[10:56] <ivoks> tremor_ i never tried too on Debian or Ubuntu
[10:56] <wdh> in #ubuntu zit je al
[10:56] <ivoks> tremor_ tried years ago with RedHat
[10:56] <ivoks> tremor_ i guess that is fixed now..
[10:56] <htaccess> and did you need to do anything bweyond apt-get install xmms?
[10:57] <IIIEars> freewoody - do you need to configure IP Tables or would a gui (Firestarter) be a bad idea?
[10:57] <kellemelle> heb ik gedaan
[10:57] <ivoks> htaccess sudo apt-get install xmms.*  :))
[10:57] <geneo91> IIIEars:  no gui
[10:57] <htaccess> daile, i am following the docs word for word, they make no mention of xmms+mpg123 or  xmms-mad+libmad which i am going to install now
[10:57] <daile> oh, right
[10:58] <tremor_> htaccess: you need to install a plugin for mp3 support (mpg123) and don't forget to use the esd output plugin in xmms, otherwise you won't have any sound
[10:58] <ivoks> well... i use rythmbox
[10:58] <ivoks> :)
[10:58] <daile> htaccess, the old guide does. Sorry. I didn't know what I did, but it just works!
[10:58] <daile> hehe
[10:58] <ivoks> rhythmbox
[10:58] <HiddenWolf> I need to install winxp, that'll overwrite my grub, how do I re-install grub then?
[10:58] <htaccess> incidentally xmms lists mpeg 1/2/3/ player plugin as enabled
[10:58] <ircbot_> lappy in the bed oh yeah
[10:58] <ivoks> daile u need mpg123 plugin for xmms
[10:58] <ircbot_> htaccess: use a livecd
[10:59] <daile> ivoks, yeah, right!
[10:59] <ivoks> lol
[10:59] <IIIEars> tremor - Thanks
[10:59] <ivoks> sorry, that was for htaccess :)
[10:59] <daile> hehe
[10:59] <ubuntu_fan> i'm looking for some mplayer help.... I installed mplayer-586, mplayer-fonts, mplayer-doc, & mencoder-586.  But whenever I try to play an mpeg, it crashes
[11:00] <Jimmothy> try installing ffmpeg?
[11:00] <ivoks> ubuntu_fan mplayer -vo x11 you.mpeg
[11:00] <mike_douglas> I'm trying to get skippy-xd working, but am running into some errors
[11:01] <nicedreams> how do I get ubuntu to download xmame .95 ?
[11:01] <ivoks> http://ffmpeg.sourceforge.net/
[11:01] <ivoks> doesn't look good :(
[11:01] <mipfi> nicedreams: wget httpurl
[11:01] <HiddenWolf> I need to install winxp, that'll overwrite my grub, how do I re-install grub then?
[11:01] <nicedreams> so the repositories don't have it eh?
[11:02] <daile> htaccess, usually when I need something involving xmms, I use synaptic and then search for xmms using both name and description. And then see which package I need. By that way, I install pretty much everything I need including something I never heard before!
[11:02] <mike_douglas> http://c-monkey.net/problem.txt <- the errors
[11:02] <ivoks> HiddenWolf update-grub
[11:02] <Jimmothy> nicedreams: install it from source?
[11:02] <nicedreams> k
[11:02] <mipfi> nicedreams: apt-get install xmame-x
[11:02] <nicedreams> it's v.83 though
[11:02] <mipfi> nicedreams: sudo apt-get install xmame-x
[11:02] <nicedreams> in repositories from what I find
[11:02] <HiddenWolf> ivoks, how do I get there, when winxp overwrites my option to boot to ubuntu? :)
[11:03] <nicedreams> err  .86
[11:03] <freewoody> How do I change the Broadcast range for my NIC cards ?
[11:03] <nicedreams> i guess it's mame.net for me
[11:03] <MrMiaow> HiddenWolf: boot from CD, mount linux partition
[11:03] <geneo91> nite all
[11:03] <ivoks> HiddenWolf place the ubuntu cd and type expert root=/dev/whatever my root is
[11:03] <ivoks> HiddenWolf or... don't install xp :)
[11:04] <HiddenWolf> ivoks, have to, sorry. :)
[11:04] <ivoks> i really miss that rescue image from woody
[11:04] <XplOzIon> mooo. Have you moooed today? lmao
[11:05] <freewoody> Can I compile the 2.6.11 kernel the normal way in Ubuntu ?
[11:05] <ivoks> freewoody well... the normal way?
[11:05] <ivoks> sure u can compile it
[11:05] <freewoody> Well make mrproper, followed by make xconfig
[11:05] <freewoody> make bzimage
[11:06] <ivoks> xconfig? and u don't have X?
[11:06] <nicedreams> freewoody: shouldn't he do it the debian way?
[11:06] <freewoody> What debian way ?
[11:06] <ivoks> freewoody make bzImage? come on... this is 2.6
[11:06] <ivoks> freewoody make menuconfig ; make ; make modules_install
[11:06] <nicedreams> to compile the kernel
[11:06] <nicedreams> from source
[11:07] <kellemelle> hallo mensen
[11:07] <nicedreams> look up in google "comiple kernel debian"
[11:07] <XplOzIon> how can i set those tools on my desktop? whats the app to put them? like this pic http://ubuntuforums.org/gallery/files/1/9/scr3_original.jpg
[11:07] <freewoody> make mrproper, make menuconfig, make; make modules_install
[11:07] <ivoks> freewoody that's 2.4 way
[11:07] <freewoody> what about make bzImage
[11:07] <MyNameIsChris> make_kpkg is better
[11:08] <MyNameIsChris> _ = -
[11:08] <ivoks> freewoody make bzImage is 2.4 way
[11:08] <revelater> i have a slight problem with programs recognizing my cd drives...
[11:08] <ivoks> u don't need that anymore
[11:08] <nicedreams> old school
[11:08] <nicedreams> 2.4 way
[11:08] <freewoody> What is the Debian way for installing and compling a 2.6.11 kernel ?
[11:08] <ivoks> MyNameIsChris make-kpg, not _ :)
[11:08] <nicedreams> i have to find it again.  i don't remember off top my head
[11:08] <ivoks> oh.. u corrected, sorry :)
[11:09] <revelater> for some reason when i try to install a program it cannot read the fact that the cd is in the drive
[11:09] <nicedreams> http://www.falkotimme.com/howtos/debian_kernel2.6_compile/index.php
[11:09] <MyNameIsChris> ivoks, I corrected myself
[11:09] <Goonie> ivoks~ sorry was away for a bit.. what should I be looking at in /var/log/syslog?
[11:09] <ivoks> MyNameIsChris <ivoks> oh.. u corrected, sorry :)
[11:09] <ivoks> Goonie errors :)
[11:09] <revelater> anyone help?
[11:09] <MyNameIsChris> ivoks, You're forgiven
[11:10] <revelater> ????
[11:10] <MyNameIsChris> revelater, Is it mounted?
[11:11] <revelater> no i am somehow running a program from a n unmounted disk... :(
[11:11] <revelater> sorry for the sarcasm
[11:11] <Jimmothy> can someone help me unzip a file from the commandline? i need to untar it to /usr/share/gtetrinet/themes
[11:11] <revelater> no offense
[11:11] <MyNameIsChris> revelater, Sorry for trying to help
[11:11] <ivoks> jesus...
[11:12] <ivoks> too much noobs :)
[11:12] <freewoody> So how do I install a new Kernel the Ubuntu way ?
[11:12] <Goonie> ivoks~ dunno if you would call these errors?
[11:12] <Goonie> Apr 24 08:50:20 localhost dhclient: sit0: unknown hardware address type 776
[11:12] <Goonie> Apr 24 08:50:20 localhost dhclient: sit0: unknown hardware address type 776
[11:12] <Goonie> Apr 24 08:50:20 localhost dhclient: Bind socket to interface: No such device
[11:12] <ivoks> freewoody there isn't ubuntu way :)
[11:12] <ivoks> Goonie errors related to ipw2200
[11:12] <MyNameIsChris> freewoody, man make-kpkg
[11:13] <ivoks> people, i have to eat...
[11:13] <ivoks> bye :)
[11:13] <daile> bye
[11:13] <revelater> MyNameIsChris: seriously though, i am not a COMPLETE noob, it is simply an odd question to ask
[11:14] <freewoody> All is commands is driving me mad
[11:14] <b0ol_> where to get a wma /  wmv codec?
[11:14] <ircbot_> b0ol_: win32codecs
[11:15] <fejaor> anyone who know about this error when starting ubuntu?? "pnp: PnPACPI:METHOD_NAME_ _CRS failure for PNP0C01" and the same again but at the end with PNP0C02
[11:15] <ircbot_> from multiverse
[11:15] <MyNameIsChris> revelater, Could you explain your problem further, all I gathered was it couldn't read that there was a cd in the drive
[11:15] <b0ol_> hm... lets see
[11:15] <b0ol_> but thnx anyway :)
[11:16] <b0ol_> ircbot_
[11:16] <b0ol_> how to add multiverse?
[11:16] <LISP> hello
[11:16] <daile> B0ol_, if it doesn't work let me know, I can help you
[11:16] <LISP> does anyone use ubu with xfce?
[11:16] <revelater> MyNameIsChris: close as i can come, any game that i install, that needs the install cd, cannot find it
[11:16] <ircbot_> go into synaptic, go to repo's, go to add, choose multiverse and universe
[11:16] <revelater> MyNameIsChris: repeatedly asks me to put it in
[11:16] <daile>  b0ol_: you can modify the source.list or using Synaptic
[11:17] <revelater> MyNameIsChris: as if it was looking in the wrong place
[11:17] <b0ol_> repo's?
[11:17] <daile>  b0ol_: have you read the Ubuntu starter guide
[11:17] <LISP> i want to enable transparency in xfce, and it sais somethinf about xserver6.8
[11:17] <LISP> which xserver does ubu use?
[11:17] <b0ol_> yes i did
[11:17] <daile> b0ol_: here it is http://ubuntuguide.org/#repositories
[11:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> lisp which versiuon?
[11:17] <revelater> x.org
[11:17] <b0ol_> ah got it
[11:17] <b0ol_> thnx
[11:17] <b0ol_> cya
[11:17] <daile> no problem
[11:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> hoary x.org, warty xfree86
[11:18] <XplOzIon> am i able to usesuperkaramba in gnome??
[11:18] <ulisse_> tremor_, I'm back! Now it works!
[11:18] <ircbot_> everytime i modify the source.list it tells me it can't find the repo... even when i just uncommented multiverse and universe
[11:18] <LISP> i upgraded hoary to warty, but when i removed xfreeserver the x system didn't start :(
[11:18] <ircbot_> but if i use synaptic to do it... works the same
[11:18] <LISP> althouh u had xorg installed
[11:19] <ircbot_> i still don't understand that
[11:19] <LISP> althouh i had xorg installed
[11:19] <daile> XplOzIon: I dont know if you can, but you can use gDesklets, which is quite the same to superkaramba
[11:19] <tremor_> ulisse_: great
[11:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> lisp, did you upgrade from warty to hoary, or downgrade hoary to warty?
[11:20] <LISP> warty to hoary
[11:20] <LISP> not distro upgrade, but group select in synaptic
[11:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> so do you have a gui?
[11:20] <ulisse_> tremor_, it seems to be due to the router, that probably stores the mac address of the lan interface. I flushed the router's eeprom and now it works.
[11:20] <LISP> i have a gui
[11:20] <freewoody> How do I assign 2 different IPs for a single NIC Card using the interface eth0 ?
[11:20] <LISP> but i think i'm still runnint xfree
[11:20] <LISP> i mean i have xserver4.3 or something - 16 megs
[11:20] <ulisse_> tremor_, now I only have to put back on the other LAN card to connect my other PC
[11:21] <LISP> and xorg6.8 156 megs
[11:21] <LISP> which is operational?
[11:21] <LISP> :|
[11:21] <XplOzIon> daile, oh ok but with gdesklets where can i get the tool bar like superkaramba?
[11:21] <ulisse_> tremor_, thanks again, see you.
[11:21] <freewoody> How do I assign 2 different IPs for a single NIC Card using the interface eth0 ?
[11:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> 6.8 i expect, as its the bigger one
[11:22] <LISP> that's good, as it means i can use transparencies
[11:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> you could do a dist upgrade
[11:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> bbs
[11:22] <htaccess> freewoody, setup eth0:0 in /etc/network/interfaces
[11:22] <LISP> now i have to find out if xfce has transps enabled
[11:22] <htaccess> then ifup eth0:0
[11:22] <daile> XplOzIon: http://gdesklets.gnomedesktop.org/
[11:22] <htaccess> make eth0:0 like eth0 except the gateway
[11:23] <XplOzIon> daile, thanks!
[11:23] <daile> no problem
[11:24] <ubuntu_fan> still having mplayer problems.  Here's some of the output.... Opening video decoder: [mpegpes]  MPEG 1/2 Video passthrough
[11:24] <ubuntu_fan> VDec: vo config request - 304 x 208 (preferred csp: Mpeg PES)
[11:24] <ubuntu_fan> Could not find matching colorspace - retrying with -vf scale...
[11:24] <ubuntu_fan> Opening video filter: [scale] 
[11:24] <ubuntu_fan> The selected video_out device is incompatible with this codec.
[11:24] <ubuntu_fan> VDecoder init failed :(
[11:24] <ubuntu_fan> Opening video decoder: [libmpeg2]  MPEG 1/2 Video decoder libmpeg2-v0.4.0b
[11:24] <ubuntu_fan> Selected video codec: [mpeg12]  vfm:libmpeg2 (MPEG 1 or 2 (libmpeg2))
[11:25] <daile> ubuntu_fan:  did you install it using apt-get. If it doesn't work well, then you should compile it from source
[11:25] <daile> ubuntu_fan: http://www.oldskoolphreak.com/tfiles/hack/ubuntu.txt
[11:27] <Q_Continuum> Modem gurus, identify yourselves!
[11:27] <Q_Continuum> lol
[11:28] <Q_Continuum> I've got a USR 5610B...system sees it, but won't use it.
[11:28] <barney> Does anyone know if it's possible to get an intel 536EP based modem working on Ubuntu?
[11:28] <barney> Intel provides a driver as a kernal module in a tarball, but it doesn't seem to work here.
[11:28] <Q_Continuum> has worked in previous iterations of Linux (mandrake, red hat, fedora..)
[11:29] <Q_Continuum> with no work, but ubuntu just doesn't want to autodetect it, or dial.
[11:29] <Vixus> Hey, I've got a digital camera USB'd up to my box, how do I dump pics off it? (Windows treated it like a removable USB stick).
[11:30] <Vixus> How do I detect the camera 'disk'?
[11:30] <Tuxicity> Vixus, i dont own a camera, but i think DigiKam or something is the app for the job
[11:30] <ircbot_> Vixus: apt-get install digikam
[11:31] <Vixus> thanks
[11:31] <LISP> how could i find compile-time flags?
[11:31] <Q_Continuum> where is there a list of all these useful little programs...?
[11:31] <ircbot_> digikam is the shixz0r!#@!$ OMGWTFBBQ
[11:31] <ircbot_> i'm slap happy... sorry
[11:31] <LISP> i wanna know if xfce has transparencies enabled
[11:31] <wdh> Vixus, you could probably just try to mount /dev/sda or /dev/sdaX
[11:31] <ircbot_> LISP: huh?  what do you mean?
[11:31] <MyNameIsChris> pkg-config --cflags xfce (Maybe)
[11:31] <ircbot_> LISP: np i see
[11:31] <Vixus> ircbot_: Digikam good or bad? XD
[11:32] <LISP> i know xfce supports transps
[11:32] <ircbot_> Vixus: digikam rocks... i love it
[11:32] <LISP> but i don't think it's enabled :(
[11:32] <ircbot_> yeah i do not like that sometimes... can't you get the source packages and compile a deb from those?
[11:32] <ircbot_> i've never done that... anyone got some tips?
[11:33] <LISP> i think i will..not nice :|
[11:33] <LISP> gentoo is looking more and more appealing
[11:33] <ircbot_> because i want to recompile gossip... the binary has like no preferences and it should
[11:33] <ircbot_> LISP: ever installed it?
[11:33] <LISP> as mplayer doesn't have gui enabled
[11:33] <LISP> and so on
[11:33] <ircbot_> LISP: yes it does
[11:33] <LISP> ircbot: no, but i will
[11:33] <ircbot_> it just pulls gmplayer
[11:33] <locomorto> sort of
[11:33] <locomorto> LISP: sort of*
[11:33] <ircbot_> LISP: ha ... it's a hell of an install
[11:33] <locomorto> download it and see for yourself
[11:33] <LISP> ircbot: gmplayer isn't there
[11:34] <locomorto> its apt-get(able)
[11:34] <ircbot_> LISP: it's the only time i've ever had to read the handbook for an install in years
[11:34] <Vixus> God, I should be revising for my exams... >_<
[11:34] <LISP> ircbot: amybe different repository?
[11:34] <Vixus> onlyl 3 weeks left
[11:34] <ircbot_> umm... i used multiverse
[11:34] <LISP> ircbot: and you mean you have gmplayer? not likely
[11:35] <ircbot_> LISP: it's fucking there you ass.  i don't like being called a liar btw
[11:35] <ircbot_> especially when i'm tired and grumpy
[11:35] <LISP> i've had this discussion before on the same forum
[11:35] <LISP> unless it's a new package
[11:36] <LISP> mplayer doesn't have ---enable-gui
[11:36] <LISP> mplayer doesn't have --enable-gui
[11:36] <LISP> i can bet on it
[11:36] <ircbot_> LISP: it's fucking there... i have no special repos... do you want a god damn screen shot?
[11:36] <LISP> yes :D
[11:36] <ircbot_> give me just a second you asshat
[11:37] <Q_Continuum> grrrrr.  *kicks his modem* WORK stupid thing WORRRRRRKKKKK
[11:37] <dazzed> lol
[11:37] <trust> Hi!
[11:37] <dazzed> i want a screen shot
[11:37] <ircbot_> give me a second i'm getting my repo's list up and shit too
[11:37] <Q_Continuum> so take one.
[11:38] <dazzed> theres like 6 million mplayers to download
[11:38] <b0ol_> ircbot_ its calledw32codecs
[11:38] <Q_Continuum> the system sees my modem.  but won't use it if it's life depended on it.
[11:38] <nostromo^> im trying to use hoary live to change my /dev/sda partition table (resizing the extended to the end of the disk), and it keeps telling me the partition is "busy" and i should umount it..
[11:38] <dazzed> oh well yeah u need those
[11:38] <dazzed> w32codecs from mallirat
[11:38] <ircbot_> b0ol_: you can get it from multiverse under the same name i do believe
[11:38] <Q_Continuum> anybody here know much about modems?
[11:38] <dazzed> nostromo^: sda is like usb disks and such
[11:38] <trust> Any idea if there's some sort of guied tool around for multimonitor config?
[11:39] <nicedreams> anyone have a deb package for xmame .95 ?
[11:39] <b0ol_> i didnt find win32 but w32
[11:39] <Q_Continuum> IT'S NOT A WINMODEM! (so we don't have to deal with that crap)
[11:39] <dazzed> nostromo^: if ur trying to do hard drive it should be like hda
[11:39] <LISP> ircbot: do you have mplayer 586?
[11:39] <nostromo^> dazzed, and also SATA disks, and SCSI disks, and pretty much a lot of other stuff. so what?
[11:39] <dazzed> LISP: get the w32codecs from mallirat
[11:39] <MyNameIsChris> dazzed, sczi or serial hdd
[11:39] <MyNameIsChris> Damn
[11:39] <dazzed> nostromo^: ok i was just checking to see if thats what ur trying to partition
[11:39] <ircbot_> LISP: http://irclikelife.com/pics/ass.png
[11:40] <dazzed> nostromo^: are u using sda in any form...running anything from it?
[11:41] <Seveas> goooooooooooooooooooooooooodmoooooooooooooooooooorning #ubuntu
[11:41] <Seveas> :)
[11:41] <nostromo^> dazzed, nope.
[11:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi seveas
[11:41] <LISP> ircbot: i saw the picture, now i'm changing mplayer to 586
[11:41] <dazzed> ircbot_: my desktop owns yours
[11:41] <dazzed> lol
[11:41] <LISP> ircbot: if it works i apologize
[11:41] <dazzed> hmm
[11:41] <LISP> ircbot: but mplayer custom doesn't have gui trust me
[11:41] <Seveas> ircbot_, you need mplayer-custom iirc
[11:41] <ircbot_> dazzed: heh that wasn't the point
[11:42] <ircbot_> Seveas: why do i need mplayer custom?
[11:42] <Seveas> ircbot_, because that one is made for ubuntu
[11:42] <LISP> ircbot: although they have a package that says nogui, too
[11:42] <ircbot_> Seveas: umm huh?
[11:42] <Seveas> and also: you should take it from the ubuntu repos, not marillat
[11:42] <ircbot_> Seveas: i use ubuntu?
[11:42] <dazzed> ircbot_: www.trip-p.com/images/desktops/flux-blue-night.jpg
[11:42] <ircbot_> it's not from marillat
[11:42] <ircbot_> wtf
[11:42] <Q_Continuum> GRRRRRR...damn you debian based OSes!
[11:43] <ircbot_> i didn't ask for anything Seveas
[11:43] <LISP> ircbot: debian is great
[11:43] <Q_Continuum> debian and ubuntu are the only linux OSes that refuse to work with my modem.
[11:43] <ircbot_> wtf
[11:43] <LISP> q-continuum: debian is great
[11:43] <ircbot_> i'm all kinds of confused
[11:43] <Q_Continuum> Mandrake, Red Hat and Fedora all detect it (like debian/ubuntu does) but THEY LET ME USE IT
[11:43] <dazzed> lol
[11:43] <wdh> Q_Continuum, i assume you forget about the rest of the debian-based distro's :)
[11:43] <dazzed> debian is great
[11:43] <LISP> WAHOOOOO
[11:43] <Q_Continuum> I can see it but I can't do crap with it.
[11:43] <LISP> MPLAYER 586 HAS GUI :d
[11:43] <ircbot_> dazzed: you should see my desktop
[11:43] <Q_Continuum> >.<
[11:43] <ircbot_> and no i'm not getting up to take a screenshot
[11:44] <dazzed> ircbot_: i feel ur struggle
[11:44] <wdh> Q_Continuum, file a bug-report then
[11:44] <Q_Continuum> mmmkay
[11:44] <Q_Continuum> I pushed my hardware report to them just now pointing out that my modem doesn't work. lol.
[11:44] <dazzed> ircbot_: heh...i live for customization of my computer
[11:44] <Q_Continuum> it sees it under device manager correctly, but under Device and Capabilities, I have "unknown"
[11:44] <ircbot_> i do a lot more customizing on my desktop
[11:45] <dazzed> im on my lappy in bed too ircbot_ :)
[11:45] <ircbot_> haha oh yeah
[11:45] <dazzed> if thats where u are
[11:45] <dazzed> lol yeah i run gnome from lappy
[11:45] <LISP> that fluxbox thingie :p is it really worth it?
[11:45] <ircbot_> i didn't find a good enough reason to not run gnome on this box
[11:45] <dazzed> heh i got a special spot for my lap right on my nightstand
[11:45] <ircbot_> i use blackbox on my desktop though
[11:46] <dazzed> :)
[11:46] <ircbot_> i pack mine back in it's bag because i have animals that'll fuck it up
[11:46] <ircbot_> i just realized i'm supposed to drive my mom somewhere at 5am
[11:47] <Q_Continuum> lol
[11:47] <ircbot_> it's 4:47am
[11:47] <ircbot_> looks like i won't be sleeping yet
[11:47] <Q_Continuum> *curses even more at his modem*
[11:47] <whiteknight> Q_Continuum, what is your modem
[11:47] <whiteknight> ?
[11:47] <Q_Continuum> USR 5610b...lemme get the non technical name
[11:47] <dazzed> lol understandable...i used blackbox for windows for like 3 years before i got onto actual linux...i like flux better only cuz of the tabbed windows...also where are the deps for mplayer...what repo?
[11:48] <Q_Continuum> US Robotics Performance Pro
[11:48] <dazzed> 447 for me too ircbot_
[11:48] <ircbot_> tabbed windows?
[11:48] <ircbot_> dazzed: multiverse
[11:48] <dazzed> u can put like 12 windows into 1
[11:48] <ircbot_> ah that's interesting
[11:48] <dazzed> it says that it cant find certain deps
[11:48] <dazzed> but my multiverse is fine
[11:48] <LISP> very nice, but when do you ever have so many on, except terms?
[11:48] <ircbot_> i don't think would like different stuff in one tab
[11:49] <LISP> gaim has tabs, so does mozilla
[11:49] <ircbot_> i like tabbing my consoles, chats, webpages
[11:49] <ircbot_> but not together
[11:49] <dazzed> well i combine my xchat and gnome term and synaptic (if i use all 3)
[11:49] <LISP> and how long did it take you to customize?
[11:49] <ircbot_> i wouldn't even tab my messages if i could make psi use esd
[11:49] <ircbot_> but i can't heh
[11:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> i have lots of tabs for chats, but all my consoles are independant
[11:49] <dazzed> but i use irssi and aterm s
[11:50] <dazzed> so noo need to combine
[11:50] <Q_Continuum> Ubuntu identifies the modem correctly as a "56K FaxModem Model 5610" but refuses to dial or autodetect it under network config, so it has not /dev/whatever >.<
[11:50] <ircbot_> i've used aterm for so very long, but started using gnome-terminal after i put ubuntu on this box
[11:50] <whiteknight> Q_Continuum, when you do dmesg does it appear anywhere?
[11:50] <LISP> q_cont: nice...
[11:50] <LISP> q_cont: debian did the same with my sound card
[11:50] <whiteknight> Q_Continuum, also is there a driver loaded? check lsmod
[11:51] <LISP> ircbot: kosole was nice too
[11:51] <ircbot_> LISP it is, but i don't have kde
[11:51] <LISP> ircbot: me neither :D
[11:51] <Q_Continuum> looking through dmesg, will look through lsmod...
[11:51] <ircbot_> i do on my other box... but i'm not putting it on this one
[11:52] <ircbot_> if i started over i might put kubuntu on here instead of ubuntu, but for some reason i chose the gnome version when i'm normally a kde person when forced to choose
[11:52] <whiteknight> Q_Continuum, this might help http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=176693
[11:52] <ircbot_> but gnome hasn't made me regret it really
[11:52] <dazzed> lol it says it has deps on packages i already have....
[11:52] <dazzed> insane
[11:52] <LISP> ircbot: how long did it take you to arrange black/flux/whatever?
[11:52] <ircbot_> eh 10 minutes
[11:53] <dazzed> if u want the basics takes as long as it takes to compile the source
[11:53] <LISP> 10 mins? with themes and so? if i remember well those wm use text config
[11:53] <dazzed> but if you want your OWN flux or blackbox is never done configgin
[11:53] <LISP> i just tried it
[11:53] <ircbot_> LISP yep but i'm used to it
[11:53] <LISP> i'm not scared to tinker, i like it
[11:53] <ircbot_> besides i do believe there is a package for flux that will set up a menu for you
[11:54] <dazzed> there is a flux package but dont use it
[11:54] <xukun> what is the problem with apt-get update, I,m geting a lot of failed errors
[11:54] <dazzed> cuz then u cant have menu pics
[11:54] <dazzed> u have to compile with imlib2
[11:54] <phuckdapoor> good morrow
[11:54] <Q_Continuum> nothing in either of those.
[11:54] <ircbot_> eh i don't need menu pics, but i didn't use it either... especially since i'm on blackbox
[11:55] <ircbot_> i emerge -C 'd fluxbox
[11:55] <LISP> have you tried xfce?
[11:55] <Q_Continuum> lspci finds something though on the modem.
[11:55] <whiteknight> Q_Continuum, i'm really sorry but i've got to go, but perhaps this might help http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/answers/279
[11:55] <whiteknight> Q_Continuum, though it isn't directly for ubunut, it might give some pointers
[11:55] <LISP> it's cool...and you can make it even cooler :p
[11:55] <dazzed> emerge?? u on gentoo?
[11:55] <ircbot_> my desktop is
[11:55] <dazzed> oh ok
[11:56] <whiteknight> Q_Continuum, oh and yeah lspci will, cause it looks directly at the pci ports
[11:56] <dazzed> gentoo seems to be most flux users preference
[11:56] <whiteknight> Q_Continuum, good luck
[11:56] <ircbot_> anything happens ... such as i completely fuxor the desktop and have to reinstall... ima go to kubuntu on it
[11:56] <phuckdapoor> Jesus christ no
[11:56] <phuckdapoor> no fuxor
[11:56] <dazzed> ahhh
[11:56] <phuckdapoor> no roxour
[11:56] <ircbot_> because i don't care to remove gentoo when it runs great, but i don't care to install it again either
[11:56] <dazzed> u killed me irc
[11:56] <phuckdapoor> no hardcore
[11:56] <AvvY> what terminal command do i use to extract a .tar.bz2 file?
[11:56] <Q_Continuum> that second link might help whitenight...
[11:56] <dazzed> how could u go kde
[11:56] <LISP> tar -jxf
[11:57] <dazzed> tisk tisk
[11:57] <AvvY> thanx!
[11:57] <shinu> hey!
[11:57] <Q_Continuum> it's the right model so I hope...
[11:57] <LISP> avvy: welcome
[11:57] <AvvY> LISP: thank you :) - i just started using ubuntu yesterday - thus, started using linux yesterday
[11:57] <Q_Continuum> should I just use alien to install the rpm?
[11:57] <shinu> could anyone remind me the command to switch off gdm at each startup?
[11:57] <shinu> and other programs as well
[11:57] <LISP> q_cont: guess so
[11:58] <LISP> q_cont: don't use rpm, that's for sure
[11:58] <dazzed> LISP: you know if u hit tab when typing someones name it types the whole name
[11:58] <LISP> dazzed: >:P
[11:59] <dazzed> heh...looked like u needed to be informed
[11:59] <LISP> dazzed: no problem
[11:59] <ircbot_> can you auto update a generic kernel with ubuntu?
[11:59] <LISP> dazzed: just lazy, today
[11:59] <Hmmmm> guys my gnome taskbar had crashed and i added a normal bar there. now the apps dont appear on the taskbar. what do i do?
[11:59] <dazzed> ircbot_: im not sure about AUTO updating but i know u can update
[11:59] <ircbot_> because i will give fedora that... that was pretty spiffy to implement auto kernel updating.
[11:59] <LISP> ircbot: autoupdate? as in apt-get kernel or what?
[12:00] <iluciv> hi ya does anyone know if I can use nvtv with a ti 4200 nvidia card and ubuntu??
[12:00] <ircbot_> pretty much
[12:00] <ircbot_> from the confused questions i'll take that as a no
[12:00] <LISP> ircbot: you could write a script :p
[12:00] <ircbot_> i don't intend on using such a feature... i love custom compiling, but if i were working on a few hundred servers i could see a serious advantage of fedora
[12:01] <LISP> ircbot: why fedora? does it do it automatically? perhaps sec updates..
[12:01] <ircbot_> being able to say "yum update" or whatever and having a new patched kernel auto added was cool... but it didn't cut it for the desktop
[12:01] <dazzed> ircbot_: well ubuntu has some work before it should be used for servers
[12:01] <nicedreams> ircbot_: you can do that in ubuntu
[12:01] <ircbot_> dazzed: eh if debian can be used with servers...
[12:01] <LISP> ircbot: you can do it, because debian can
[12:02] <LISP> ircbot: and if debian isn't better than fedora...
[12:02] <nicedreams> can't you just    apt-get install linux-686    or whatever your processor is and it will update the kernel in an upgrade for you and add it to grub
[12:02] <dazzed> ircbot_: and i told u that u can apt-get a kernel...but u cant AUTO update everytime one is released
[12:02] <ircbot_> nicedreams: really?  that's just neat... like i said... won't use it, but it's handy to be able to do
[12:02] <ircbot_> dazzed: well it wasn't everytime one was released on fedora, but whenever they packaged one up
[12:02] <shinu> anyone can help me to switch off gdm for good?
[12:03] <dazzed> gotcha
[12:03] <nicedreams> i have a few kernels in my grub conf from doing that
[12:03] <dazzed> i was under the impression you wanted it done for you a certain time once a month or something
[12:03] <LISP> nicedreams: use apt-get remove...
[12:03] <nicedreams> lisp, ?
[12:04] <ircbot_> what's the best way to add a module to load at startup?
[12:04] <LISP> nicedreams: remove those unwanted entries
[12:04] <nicedreams> oh
[12:04] <nicedreams> lol.... i should.  I just forget once i'm booted up
[12:04] <LISP> nicedreams: you don't need 10 kernel backups or so
[12:04] <Tuxicity> ircbot_, /etc/modules ?
[12:04] <herrie-aab> hello do somebody know something about nicotine filesharing??
[12:04] <nicedreams> why hasen't encrypted file sharing caught on?
[12:05] <ircbot_> Tuxicity: thanks
[12:05] <herrie-aab> nicedreams, what do you meen?
[12:05] <Tuxicity> ircbot_, np
[12:05] <Vixus> Hey, can I use the s-video out port on my nVidia card with linux?
[12:05] <ircbot_> nicedreams: it doesn't work really... not on p2p
[12:05] <superted> can't I use the warty intall or livecd to install grub?
[12:05] <dazzed> Vixus: sure
[12:05] <nicedreams> like the IRAA can see what your doing and get you for downloading the wrong stuff, but they can't with encrypted file sharing like the nulsoft waste program that AOL got mad about
[12:06] <ircbot_> nicedreams: because it might hide the transfer from say... the ISPs, but if you are trying to hide from say the RIAA ... well they are actually getting on the networks to download from you and make records of it
[12:06] <dazzed> superted: u can use a live cd to install grub
[12:06] <nicedreams> but it's illegal for someone to decrypt information without permission
[12:06] <herrie-aab> do you need some serverlist for nicotine???
[12:06] <mipfi> Vixus: sudo apt get install nvtv
[12:06] <ircbot_> nicedreams: they get you not by watching your files you are transfering, but instead by having someone actually download from you
[12:06] <nicedreams> so the iraa would be breaking the law
[12:07] <ircbot_> nicedreams: but if you want to use a p2p network you'll have to agree to let people decrypt it... or they'd get shut down for breaking the law
[12:07] <herrie-aab> can somebody help me with filesharing????
[12:07] <Vixus> mipfi: Wow, there's a program for EVERYTHING. Ubuntu is magic!
[12:07] <superted> dazzed: how? the warty one didin't seem to have a "rescue" option
[12:07] <Vixus> mipfi: How do I use it?
[12:07] <ircbot_> lol
[12:07] <ircbot_> lmao
[12:07] <ircbot_> that was nice vixus
[12:07] <Vixus> ircbot_: hmm?
[12:08] <mipfi> Vixus: i have never testet the tv out from my geforce but when there is a tool i think it works :)
[12:08] <ircbot_> you were just like "There is a program for everything!" then "how do i use it?"
[12:08] <herrie-aab> dazzed, can you help me with file sharing with nicotine 1.0.8rc1???????????????????????????????????????
[12:08] <dazzed> superted: im not quite sure on how ud go about installing it from live cd seeing is how i have never done it but i dont think its in the 'rescue' feature this isnt M$ lol :)
[12:08] <Vixus> mipfi: I have a geforce4 MX 440, so... I'll tell you how it goes.
[12:08] <ircbot_> apt-get install it vixus and then man it
[12:08] <dazzed> herrie-aab: im not to sure i could
[12:08] <Vixus> ircbot_: k,
[12:09] <herrie-aab> dazzed,do you know something about it??:S:S
[12:09] <superted> dazzed: instructions from ubuntuguide on how you'd do it with hoary livecd says that there is a 'rescue' boot option :)
[12:09] <mipfi> Vixus: install nvtv and start it :)
[12:09] <dazzed> Vixus: apt-get install nvidia-glx && apt-get install nvidia-settings
[12:09] <dazzed> superted: oh thats just booting into console
[12:09] <dazzed> theres nothing rescue about it lol
[12:09] <ircbot_> i still can't get the nvidia drivers to go widescreen
[12:10] <ircbot_> tried every fix i've found
[12:10] <iluciv> erh HELP how do I revert back to my backup xorg.conf file now that I've screw the one I was using from command line :(
[12:10] <nicedreams> ircbot_: download the official nvidia drivers and use those
[12:10] <dazzed> superted: and that would be kinda hard considering you have to boot that from grub or command line
[12:10] <nicedreams> i find them to work better for me in ubuntu
[12:10] <nicedreams> just sh the file you download
[12:10] <nicedreams> and make sure you have the kernel headers or the kernel source
[12:10] <ircbot_> superted: actually i think you can list the kernels and one is like rescue at boot
[12:10] <superted> ircbot_: with the warty livecd?
[12:11] <ircbot_> but yeah it's just booting to console
[12:11] <ircbot_> and you can go in and try to fix whatever you broke
[12:11] <Raskall> ahh.. synctree was just what I needed for synchronizing home-directories between laptops and server. But to automate it I need to run a command when logging out of gnome. is there a .logout or similar functionality in linux/gnome/ubuntu?
[12:11] <ircbot_> superted: never used warty
[12:11] <ircbot_> i'm a new convert
[12:11] <nicedreams> lol....i always use test versions of distros also
[12:12] <iluciv> pls
[12:12] <Tuxicity> iluciv, mv /backup/file /real/file
[12:12] <Tuxicity> iluciv, is that it?
[12:12] <ircbot_> one of these days i'll have enough computers to put all the distro's on that i can handle heh
[12:12] <Tuxicity> iluciv, mv -i /backup/file /real/file
[12:12] <Tuxicity> iluciv, second one is better
[12:12] <ircbot_> what's the -i option do for mv?
[12:13] <Tuxicity> iluciv, replace with appropriate paths
[12:13] <iluciv> Tuxicity: thanks btw do you know if I can use nvtv with a ti 4200
[12:13] <dazzed> ircbot_: i got a buddy (a fellow fluxor) i think he has run every distro known to linux
[12:13] <Tuxicity> ircbot_, i is for interactive (overwrite prompt)
[12:13] <Valentin-> is it possible that evolution doesn't support ports like 8181 in the OWA url?
[12:13] <Tuxicity> iluciv, never heard of nvtv
[12:14] <locomorto> Valentin: check your firewall settings
[12:14] <ircbot_> dazzed: i've run a lot... but mostly just the popular ones
[12:14] <iluciv> Tuxicity: thanks heaps anyways
[12:14] <ircbot_> dazzed: you should see my ISO cd collection
[12:14] <Tuxicity> iluciv, np
[12:14] <dazzed> ircbot_: lol :) i can only imagine
[12:14] <Valentin-> locomorto, checking which settings?
[12:15] <locomorto> firewall
[12:15] <locomorto> you know, blocked incoming 8181?
[12:15] <ircbot_> why are the LINKSYS WRT54GX Wireless Routers so freaking expensive compared to their others?  they offer the same thing... does it go out like a mile?
[12:15] <locomorto> like it is by default i believe?
[12:15] <dazzed> i really need to put some work into the webpage
[12:15] <ircbot_> dazzed: i've got about a dozen distro's if you count bsd's as distros heh
[12:15] <ircbot_> plus livecds
[12:15] <Tomcat_> ircbot_: Isn't that the one that runs Linux?
[12:15] <dazzed> ircbot_: i think that is there wireless g ap
[12:16] <Valentin-> locomorto, but 8181 is would be outgoing not incoming
[12:16] <shinu> can anyone tell me how to switch off gdm for good?
[12:16] <ircbot_> g ap?
[12:16] <Tuxicity> iluciv, after thought, it appears nvtv should work with about any nvidia card (with tv ot)
[12:16] <LISP> gdm for goom?
[12:16] <dazzed> wireless g accespoint...
[12:16] <locomorto> does not matter
[12:16] <dazzed> the new band of wireless frequencies
[12:16] <ircbot_> okay
[12:16] <LISP> shinu:  and replce it with?
[12:16] <locomorto> it still needs to be ublocked
[12:16] <Tomcat_> "new" :)
[12:16] <ircbot_> but they have others that offer wireless g
[12:16] <locomorto> its the way TCP works
[12:16] <shinu> LISP: no replacing :D i want text login
[12:16] <ircbot_> that are like $40
[12:17] <dazzed> i got linksys wireless g network card...but it gest no wireless g use without a g accesspoint
[12:17] <locomorto> ad-hoc?
[12:17] <LISP> shinu: uninstall gdm, and don't startx
[12:17] <dazzed> i think the ones that offer wireless g are ones that are "compatible" with wireless g which is just a marketing gimmic cuz wireless g is compatible with all wireless bands
[12:17] <LISP> one sec, till i remember the init file
[12:18] <shinu> LISP: wasnt there a command for that?
[12:18] <shinu> LISP: i think last time someone gave me the command that show also other daemons and runlevels
[12:18] <dazzed> looks like im not oging to sleep today
[12:18] <dazzed> i should roll up a joint and play some supertux
[12:18] <Tuxicity> dazzed, that new WiMax thing, will it replace 802.11g or is it different?
[12:19] <dazzed> Tuxicity: im confused...u talking about the drivers...never heard of WiMax
[12:19] <dazzed> ohhh ok
[12:19] <Tuxicity> dazzed, noped, but u looked like u knew a lot 'bout wireless...
[12:19] <dazzed> i gotcha now
[12:20] <dazzed> i have heard of that
[12:20] <LISP> shinu: i remember, but i have to look it up, it's been a while since i used text login
[12:20] <ircbot_> WiMax seems interesting
[12:20] <Tuxicity> dazzed, talking about WiMax and 802.11i etc.
[12:20] <ircbot_> but i haven't read much on it
[12:20] <dazzed> i misread ur question
[12:20] <dazzed> but i think they are completely seperate
[12:20] <Valentin-> locomorto, disabled the firewall no changes
[12:20] <dazzed> like ircbot_ i havent read anything on the wimax
[12:20] <Tuxicity> dazzed, my question was vague
[12:20] <LISP> shinu: edit inittab
[12:20] <iluciv> Tuxicity: thanks
[12:20] <locomorto> dunno then sorry :(. try the forums
[12:20] <ircbot_> i know they used it on some train system not long ago
[12:20] <ircbot_> that was impressive
[12:21] <dazzed> lol im dislexic to a point...i mix up words and put em in different places
[12:21] <Tuxicity> iluciv, was nothing (really..)
[12:21] <LISP> shinu: /etc/inittab, change the runlevel to..
[12:21] <Valentin-> how do I search for packages via apt-get?
[12:22] <dazzed> Valentin-: apt-cache search <package?
[12:22] <ircbot_> dazzed: me to... runs in my family... but you get used to it eh?
[12:22] <locomorto> apt-cache search
[12:22] <dazzed> ircbot_: yeah it seems to only happen when reading computer lines
[12:22] <locomorto> VAlentin: as above
[12:22] <dazzed> not so much in books
[12:22] <xukun> can somebody paste a good sources.list file for me? I think mine no good any more
[12:23] <ircbot_> dazzed: ah well it happens to me on everything.  i screw up all kinds of stuff, but i read a lot so it has weened off a lot
[12:23] <dazzed> i really need to just spark a joint and finish up superutx
[12:23] <ircbot_> since my younger days
[12:23] <Valentin-> dazzed, I thought so too, but I get E: invalid operation search, to I have to configure my apt-get list?
[12:23] <dazzed> Valentin-: only if ur sources arent enabled which it seems like
[12:23] <dazzed> it doesnt*
[12:23] <dazzed> invalid operation search hmmm
[12:24] <dazzed> u sure u spelled it right?
[12:24] <dazzed> 'apt-cache search package
[12:24] <barney> I'm tryint to set up a 536EP modem, following instructions at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/IntelFiveThreeSixEPModemHowto, but when I try to patch the source, I get the error ' patch: **** strip count l is not a number'. Any ideas?
[12:24] <Tuxicity> xukun, ya check www.pastebin.com
[12:24] <locomorto> Valentin- btw, you use this format: someaddress.com:8181 right?
[12:25] <Valentin-> locomorto, yes
[12:25] <Tuxicity> xukun, under Tuxicity
[12:26] <LISP> i'm totally lost..how can i have two xservers installed?
[12:26] <n3> el o
[12:26] <xukun> Tuxicity, thanks a lot
[12:26] <Tuxicity> xukun, emm and remove that "<PHP" part... ok?
[12:26] <LISP> i have both xfree and xorg
[12:26] <Tuxicity> xukun, my pleasure
[12:27] <LISP> sith configs and stuff
[12:27] <ircbot_> LISP: why do you have them both?
[12:27] <LISP> ircbot_: because i did a sort of distro upgrade
[12:28] <LISP> ircbot_: when i tried to uninstall xfree gdm would'n fire up
[12:28] <Tuxicity> xukun, BTW that's for Hoary!
[12:28] <shinu> LISP: should i maybe ask on #debian? might they know?
[12:28] <ircbot_> LISP: i see...
[12:28] <ircbot_> LISP: so you did what?  like changed the repo's and did an update and upgrade?
[12:29] <LISP> shinu: maybe, it's not ubu/debian specific, i just can't remember the no-X runlevel
[12:29] <LISP> ircbot_: no, same repo& stuff, just selected in synaptic groups of apps, alphabetically ordered, to upgrade
[12:29] <Tuxicity> LISP, that would be rc3 i believe
[12:29] <LISP> ircbot_: during 2 days
[12:30] <dazzed> when did kdelibs get an upgrade
[12:30] <ircbot_> i see
[12:30] <ircbot_> well i gotta run
[12:30] <LISP> shinu: edit /etc/inittat adn change default runlevel to 3
[12:30] <Tuxicity> LISP, wow wait, im not sure
[12:31] <LISP> shinu: you're better of reading the manual..i'm too tired for this :P
[12:32] <xukun> Tuxicity, even with that soureces list I get failed errors with apt-get update
[12:32] <mike_douglas> watching the new Family Guy (it leaked to bt). There back :'( (tears of joy)
[12:33] <shinu> LISP: i meant the command to switch off gdm at runlevel 2(<=if i remember well)
[12:33] <T6> re hi
[12:34] <LISP> me go to bed...anyway why switch off? better not start it at all..
[12:35] <Tuxicity> xukun, just updated, no errors
[12:35] <Tuxicity> xukun, you are running Hoary?
[12:35] <xukun> Tuxicity, yes
[12:35] <Vixus> Hmm, digikam won't detect my camera... Ubuntu won't detect my camera...
[12:35] <Vixus> only Windows detects my camera >:|
[12:36] <AbeX> hello
[12:36] <AbeX> ;] 
[12:36] <dazzed> is anyone good with italian
[12:36] <dazzed> who wants to translate a wiki?
[12:36] <Tuxicity> dazzed, ask on #ubuntu-it
[12:36] <Vixus> Crappy windows, gotta go back to it always.
[12:36] <Vixus> Cause ubuntu won't do the magic! :D
[12:36] <dazzed> Tuxicity: good idea
[12:36] <pmjdebruijn> is it possible / wise to use debian kernel to update ubuntu
[12:37] <pmjdebruijn> i want to run 2.6.11 (without compiling, it's a slow machine)
[12:37] <Tuxicity> xukun, what's an error like?
[12:37] <Tuxicity> xukun, which repo fails?
[12:37] <xukun> Tuxicity, http://www.pastebin.com/275215
[12:37] <Vixus> well, see ya.
[12:37] <AbeX> can you help me? :) i want to install ubuntu on the computer, where now windows is installed, can i do it and use after installation both operation systems ?
[12:38] <locomorto> pmjdebruijn if you want 2.6.11 go to breezy
[12:38] <Cshell> I am trying to boot with ubuntu from cd....it starts and i type live or just hit enter and it goes through the boot process then goes back to the same screen any ideas
[12:38] <Vixus> AbeX: Yes, like I have to.
[12:38] <pmjdebruijn> locomorto: you mean a full update, entirely to breezy, or just the kernel?
[12:38] <Vixus> AbeX: Resize the windows partition, create a new empty parition, install ubuntu on that partition BE CAREFUL!!
[12:39] <p88> hi does bash_completion need to be executable?
[12:39] <locomorto> full update
[12:39] <locomorto> you ight want to wait a while untill its not SO crazy
[12:39] <daile> p88: I think so, must be executable
[12:40] <daile> p88: for command completion
[12:40] <daile> :)
[12:40] <p88> ok
[12:40] <xukun> Tuxicity, did you got that/
[12:40] <pmjdebruijn> locomorto: right... hmmmm :(
[12:40] <Cshell> can anyone help me with booting ubuntu from cd?
[12:40] <locomorto> yes
[12:41] <Tuxicity> xukun, yep. make sure your firewall isnt blocking it?
[12:41] <locomorto> have you changed the bios Cshell?
[12:41] <locomorto> wait i saw the message above
[12:41] <AbeX> Vixus i already have second partition, but it is not empty (there is my video collection), can i install ubuntu here and save my data ? :)
[12:41] <locomorto> is this the live CD or install CD?
[12:41] <pmjdebruijn> Cshell: with some BIOSses, you can press ESC to get a 'boot from' list....
[12:42] <xukun> Tuxicity, I dont have one
[12:42] <Cshell> live cd....i get the ubuntu startup screen...but when i hit enter...it uncompresses then goes back to same scree
[12:42] <Tuxicity> AbeX, well you need an empty partition
[12:42] <xukun> this is most strange
[12:42] <xukun> rrrrrrr
[12:43] <AbeX> empty? ok, thanks
[12:43] <dazzed> hey...whats eating gilbert grape?
[12:44] <XplOzIon> ok QUestion: I just formated an hdd (used gparter) and mounted it. but the hdd seems to be blocked or somerhing and i canot create folder or copy on it. why is that?
[12:45] <dazzed> XplOzIon: did u make format it into ext2 or 3?
[12:45] <dazzed> XplOzIon: or did u just format it...cuz if u did that its unallocated space...u need to format it into something like ext2or3 which is linux filesystem
[12:45] <XplOzIon> ext3
[12:46] <dazzed> XplOzIon: well i use 2 so try 2 lol :/ dunno whatelse to say
[12:46] <XplOzIon> lol ok
[12:46] <XplOzIon> let me try
[12:46] <Tuxicity> XplOzIon, mounted as read-only??
[12:47] <XplOzIon> hmm well i used sudo mount /dev/hdd1 /mnt/data
[12:47] <XplOzIon> chmod -R 777 /mnt/data/
[12:48] <Choubaka> -_-
[12:48] <Choubaka> never chmod -R 777 anything
[12:48] <XplOzIon> no? why?
[12:48] <Choubaka> it'll make everyone able to rm -rf your data.
[12:49] <Tuxicity> Choubaka, tell him how to access it 1st
[12:49] <Choubaka> anyone with access to your computer that is
[12:49] <XplOzIon> noone uses this pc but me
[12:49] <Choubaka> It's still a bit stupid. But never mind
[12:50] <Choubaka> tell -o umask=022 to mount
[12:50] <Choubaka> that should work.
[12:50] <XplOzIon> ok
[12:50] <HiddenWolf> Can someone tell me how I can force the order in which my sound devices are loaded?
[12:50] <XplOzIon> so if not -R 777 what then?
[12:50] <Tuxicity> XplOzIon, 755
[12:50] <Choubaka> or 750
[12:50] <dazzed> dont 777
[12:51] <dazzed> do like 750
[12:51] <XplOzIon> that way azureus will be able to make folders?
[12:51] <Tuxicity> XplOzIon, 755 = others can read, not modify
[12:51] <Choubaka> XplOzIon: hmm.
[12:51] <Choubaka> what filesystem is it?
[12:51] <XplOzIon> ext3
[12:52] <dazzed> ext3
[12:52] <Choubaka> you could do umask=002 too
[12:52] <Choubaka> oh, hmm
[12:52] <Valentin-> why is it not possible for me to edit my sources.list?
[12:52] <Choubaka> then you don't even need umask.
[12:52] <Choubaka> :P
[12:52] <XplOzIon> =/
[12:52] <XplOzIon> you confusing me :P
[12:52] <Choubaka> just mount it as normal and give it permissions with chmod
[12:52] <Choubaka> :P
[12:52] <Tuxicity> Valentin-, sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:53] <shinu> so can anyone help me switch off gdm at startup? :D
[12:53] <XplOzIon> what kind of? 755? 750?
[12:53] <Choubaka> XplOzIon: who owns the /mnt/data dir?
[12:53] <dazzed> shinu: ...why?
[12:53] <XplOzIon> shinu, need to set autolog user
[12:53] <XplOzIon> me
[12:53] <Choubaka> your user?
[12:53] <XplOzIon> hmm i think
[12:53] <XplOzIon> how can i check that?
[12:53] <Choubaka> check with ls -ld /dir/name
[12:54] <shinu> dazzed: cause i want text login? :)
[12:54] <XplOzIon> ok
[12:54] <dazzed> shinu: good reason lol ... i did it once on accident i couldnt tell you how to do it
[12:54] <AvvY|brb> how do i find a list of all the partitions on my hdd's in ubuntu?
[12:54] <shinu> XplOzIon: do you know a command that allows you to manage services that start at different runlevels?
[12:54] <shinu> dazzed: :)
[12:54] <dazzed> shinu: but u know it does the X-login
[12:54] <dazzed> not just text console style
[12:54] <shinu> dazzed: someone told me yesterday how to do it but i forgot -.-
[12:54] <Choubaka> shinu: update-rc.d
[12:54] <Choubaka> :p
[12:55] <shinu> xD
[12:55] <Tuxicity> AvvY, df
[12:56] <AvvY> Tuxicity: na, i need to see ones which arent mounted, such as my ntfs partitions and such.
[12:56] <Choubaka> XplOzIon: so?
[12:57] <XplOzIon> root owns it drwxr-xr-x  3 root root 4096 2005-04-24 06:37 /mnt/data/
[12:57] <Choubaka> ok, so it's owned by root, not you.
[12:57] <barney> Avvy: try sudo fdisk -l /dev/hda
[12:58] <barney> sudo fdisk -l /dev/hdb if youv'e got another one.
[12:58] <Choubaka> XplOzIon: are there any files in the data dir?
[12:58] <XplOzIon> Choubaka, tips on where shoul i mount hdd just for downloads?.. no its empty
[12:58] <Choubaka> ok
[12:59] <AvvY> barney: excellent! thanx
[12:59] <Choubaka> XplOzIon: so sudo chown -R yourusername:yourusername /mnt/data
[12:59] <Choubaka> then the dir will be yours!
[12:59] <Choubaka> also, you might want to add it in fstab.
[01:00] <AvvY> what should be the full fstab line for the swap mount point?
[01:00] <XplOzIon> Choubaka, yeah i was reading the man, i need to add it
[01:00] <XplOzIon> so when i boot its already mounted right?
[01:00] <Choubaka> yeah
[01:01] <Choubaka> AvvY: /dev/hdXn none swap sw 0 0
[01:01] <XplOzIon> whats the fstab file to edit?
[01:01] <HiddenWolf> How do I see the order in which my sound cards load?
[01:01] <Choubaka> XplOzIon: /etc/fstab :)
[01:01] <barney> /etc/fstab
[01:02] <XplOzIon> damn im such a noob
[01:02] <XplOzIon> asking stupid things
[01:02] <topyli> hrm. dictd startup script is b0rken somehow
[01:02] <AvvY> choubaka: would this work: /dev/sda6	swap	none	sw     0    0
[01:03] <barney> i'ts only stupid once you know it. All system-wide config files are normally in /etc/.
[01:03] <black_Nightmare> any of you know about laptop video?
[01:03] <AvvY> <mount point> = swap? yeah?
[01:03] <XplOzIon> barney, ok thanks
[01:03] <Tuxicity> AvvY, no Type
[01:04] <Tuxicity> AvvY, Mount Point = none
[01:04] <black_Nightmare> or maybe I guess not :p
[01:04] <AvvY> then how will it know it is the swap partition?
[01:05] <Tuxicity> AvvY, Type = swap
[01:05] <Turtlewind> a dumb question about USB disks:
[01:05] <Tuxicity> black_Nightmare, it sounds like an interesting video :O
[01:05] <Turtlewind> I have a USB drive that Linux doesn't detect, although Windows 2k/XP and MacOSX find it automatically
[01:05] <barney> XplOzIon: if you didn't know that, you could type 'locate fstab' to find it.
[01:05] <XplOzIon> what goes on option dump and pass? in the fstab config?
[01:05] <black_Nightmare> tux...well the question is...
[01:05] <AvvY> oh ok. and options =sw? what does sw do?
[01:05] <Turtlewind> I've been told that I can mount it manually
[01:05] <XplOzIon> barney, thanks i do know about locate :)
[01:05] <Turtlewind> but the MAN files for the mount command are pretty arcane
[01:05] <black_Nightmare> think a laptop wouldn't mind if a mini-pci graphic card was installed? (if its on whitelist that is)
[01:06] <black_Nightmare> seem like a weird question I know but then still...
[01:06] <Tuxicity> AvvY, no idea. it's like that ;)
[01:06] <Turtlewind> so can someone give me a simple summary of how to mount a USB drive that Ubuntu doesn't find on its own?
[01:06] <AvvY> Tuxicity: lol, not a problem :)
[01:08] <Choubaka> AvvY: no, mountpoint is none
[01:08] <Tuxicity> Turtlewind, not sure at all, but i'll try...
[01:08] <AvvY> Choubaka: yeah, i got it sorted. thanx :)
[01:08] <Turtlewind> (to make matters more complicated, I'm at work at the moment and so don't have my PC in front of me, but I can mail the logs of this to myself)
[01:08] <Tuxicity> Turtlewind, goto System --> System --> Device Manager
[01:09] <Tuxicity> Turtlewind, find your HDD in the list of devices on the left
[01:09] <Tuxicity> Turtlewind, click on it
[01:09] <Tuxicity> Turtlewind, in the right pane, select the Advanced tab
[01:09] <Turtlewind> yep, I'm following you so far
[01:10] <Tuxicity> Turtlewind, check what block device it is e.g. /dev/hda
[01:10] <Tuxicity> Turtlewind, BTW I am not familiar with USB drives, so im just guessing... but it might work
[01:10] <AvvY> what terminal command do i need to edit GRUB?
[01:11] <Tuxicity> Turtlewind, ok now you know it's called /dev/hda or something
[01:11] <Tuxicity> Turtlewind, open the terminal (console) and type this...
[01:12] <kellemelle> #ubuntu-nl
[01:12] <kakakeke_> salu
[01:12] <kakakeke_> tt le
[01:12] <Tuxicity> Turtlewind, sudo mkdir /media/my_usb_drive
[01:12] <kakakeke_> monde
[01:13] <Tuxicity> kakakeke_, salut
[01:13] <kakakeke_> bien ou koi ??
[01:13] <kellemelle> #ubuntu-nl
[01:13] <onno> Hello, I got a small problem... Apache always asks after phtml... What should I change to the apache conf to accept Php
[01:13] <Turtlewind> tuxicity: yep, I'm still following you
[01:14] <Tuxicity> Turtlewind, sudo mount -t usbfs /dev/hda /media/my_usb_drive
[01:14] <kakakeke_> do you speak french
[01:15] <XplOzIon> whats gkrell for?
[01:15] <kakakeke_> anno
[01:15] <kakakeke_> ??
[01:15] <Tuxicity> kakakeke_, I do
[01:15] <kakakeke_> yes
[01:15] <Tuxicity> XplOzIon, giving system stats like temperature, etc
[01:15] <XplOzIon> Tuxicity, is it on the repos?
[01:15] <Tuxicity> kakakeke_, bonjour :)
[01:15] <xorg> I'm trying to play streaming audio using mplayer I get error message ":[AO OSS]  audio_setup: Can't open audio device /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy"  what can I do to solve it?
[01:15] <Tuxicity> XplOzIon, ya i think
[01:15] <kakakeke_> bonjour
[01:15] <kakakeke_> ;-)
[01:16] <Turtlewind> Tuxicity - thanks a lot!
[01:16] <Tuxicity> Turtlewind, as ive said, never tested myself,
[01:16] <kakakeke_> il  parti
[01:16] <kakakeke_> anno
[01:16] <kakakeke_> c dommage
[01:16] <Tuxicity> kakakeke_, hein qui?
[01:17] <Tuxicity> Turtlewind, so 1)find out how the device is called
[01:17] <Tuxicity> Turtlewind, and 2) mount it - the type is usbfs
[01:17] <Tuxicity> Turtlewind, and you're welcome, friend :)
[01:17] <xorg> I'm trying to play streaming audio using mplayer I get error message ":[AO OSS]  audio_setup: Can't open audio device /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy"  what can I do to solve it?
[01:18] <Plexys> hi, does anyone know a program that allows file access to my ubuntu system through a browser?
[01:19] <kakakeke_> plexys fo parler francais
[01:19] <xorg> Plexys: nautilus?
[01:19] <kakakeke_> sinon on compren rien
[01:19] <locomorto> Plexys: Look a FreeNX i think
[01:19] <Plexys> sorry, i meant remote access heh
[01:19] <locomorto> or SSH
[01:19] <Tuxicity> kakakeke_, en fait ce canal est anglais
[01:19] <kakakeke_> a oui*
[01:20] <kakakeke_> je me sui tromp
[01:20] <kakakeke_> c vrai
[01:20] <Tuxicity> kakakeke_, voir #ubuntu-fr
[01:20] <kakakeke_> wai
[01:20] <kakakeke_> jy sui
[01:20] <infie> Anyone know how to set up a dual-head thingummy with the two screens distinct virtual screens
[01:20] <fresko> i've got a problem
[01:20] <infie> rather than one big wide screen?
[01:21] <fresko> i need to know how to boot a windowsxp partition in grub
[01:21] <Jimmothy> what's the name of a ubuntu cd burning program that's installed straight off?
[01:21] <Tuxicity> infie, ATI / nvidia?
[01:21] <infie> in this case matrox
[01:21] <fresko> because i introduce it in menu.lst
[01:21] <Tuxicity> infie, :X
[01:21] <infie> but I would have though the card wouldn't have mattered
[01:21] <fresko> but i can boot it up
[01:21] <infie> :X?
[01:22] <fresko> but i can't boot it up
[01:22] <XplOzIon> i cant find out how to set a sound theme :(
[01:22] <Tuxicity> infie, dont know nothing about matrox, sry
[01:23] <topyli> Jimmothy: the one embedded in nautilus
[01:23] <Tuxicity> infie, xinerama, i think
[01:23] <infie> to set up as one wide virtual screen, I fiddled with xorg.conf rather than with drivers
[01:23] <infie> I'm using xinerama
[01:23] <infie> and it works fine
[01:23] <infie> just trying to have a screen bound to a virtual desktop
[01:23] <infie> rather than both bound to one wide virtual desktop
[01:24] <shinu> A
[01:24] <shinu> what program lets me manage my services at startup?
[01:24] <topyli> shinu: update-rc.d
[01:24] <shinu> topyli: any other one? :D
[01:25] <topyli> shinu: or sysv-rc-conf for a more interactive approach
[01:25] <kellemelle> #ubuntu-de
[01:25] <xorg> shinu: rcconf
[01:26] <shinu> topyli: i dont have that command. did i have to apt-get something?
[01:26] <shinu> xorg: i dont have that either :(
[01:26] <Jimmothy> topyli: how?
[01:26] <Tuxicity> infie, you could use "xorgconfig" to help you, but backup your xorg.conf before
[01:26] <topyli> shinu: yes. sysv-rc-conf :)
[01:27] <xorg> sudo apt-get install rcconf
[01:27] <shinu> YES!
[01:27] <topyli> Jimmothy: open file manager, choose cd-creator from the Places menu. drag your files there and burn away
[01:27] <shinu> topyli: thanks a lot! thats the one ive been looking for! youre a god!!! :D
[01:28] <shinu> xorg: thanks :) ill check rcconf as well
[01:28] <topyli> Jimmothy: that's data only
[01:28] <Plexys> anyone have experience with installing webmin?
[01:28] <Jimmothy> how about audio?
[01:28] <topyli> shinu: no problem. deity status seems to come easy these days :)
[01:29] <Tuxicity> Jimmothy, install GnomeBaker
[01:29] <topyli> Jimmothy: then you need a more capable burner. gnometoaster or graveman perhaps
[01:29] <shinu> topyli: :)
[01:29] <topyli> Jimmothy: gnomebaker like Tuxicity says
[01:29] <Jimmothy> i installed gnomabaker and it hangs on start up
[01:30] <Tuxicity> Jimmothy, see installation instuctions on ubuntuguide.org
[01:30] <Jimmothy> ok
[01:30] <xorg> hello I've been trying to play an mp3 file using mplayer I get this error: "[AO OSS]  audio_setup: Can't open audio device /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy" no audio output? what should I do?
[01:30] <iluciv> what resolution settings are good for average tv??
[01:32] <shinu> thanks again for the help, bye :D
[01:32] <iluciv> I've got display working (ontv but its huge and black and white
[01:33] <Jimmothy> everytime i try open gnomebaker i get "application has quit unexpectedly"
[01:33] <Turtlewind> iluciv - black and white could be because you have it set to NTSC when you have a PAL TV (or vice versa)
[01:34] <HiddenWolf> Is there someone here who knows a lot about thunderbird?
[01:34] <topyli> Jimmothy: i've had that too in the past but works on this box. no idea what fails, it only affects a selected elite group of people :)
[01:35] <Jimmothy> odd
[01:35] <xorg> Is Ubuntu known for sound card problems I keep getting this playing audio:  [AO OSS]  audio_setup: Can't open audio device /dev/dsp
[01:35] <topyli> Jimmothy: graveman might work better for you. the gnomebaker problem is old and AFAIK unsolved
[01:35] <Jimmothy> installed graveman, and seems to be working ok so far
[01:37] <Jimmothy> gah, i get an error as i click write
[01:37] <markuman> are there any other Font packages besides the larabie fonts ???
[01:37] <Jimmothy> something involving null
[01:37] <topyli> xorg: sounds more like a busy device
[01:37] <xorg> yes possibly
[01:37] <topyli> Jimmothy: hrm.
[01:37] <Goonie> Can ubuntu update drivers automatically?
[01:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> goonie. linux doesnt have drivers as such
[01:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> it has kernel modules
[01:38] <xorg> I've tried disabling alsa daemon
[01:38] <topyli> Kamping_Kaiser: sure it does. some modules are drivers, some are not
[01:39] <topyli> xorg: try killing esd first if it's running
[01:39] <xorg> ok
[01:39] <xorg> just top -> kill pid?
[01:39] <topyli> yes, or killall esd
[01:39] <Goonie> Kamping_Kaiser~ yes well.. you know what I mean.. the ipw2200 "driver" that got installed by default in hoary is 0.19 and it's known to be bugged... I don't know how to completely uninstall it and compile the 1.03 version
[01:39] <xorg> thanks
[01:41] <topyli> Jimmothy: next candidate is the distinguished xcdroast. never fails if your system can burn cds at all
[01:42] <xorg> topyli: that worked brilliant
[01:42] <topyli> xorg: do you want to use esd?
[01:42] <xorg> how do I stop esd starting in the first place
[01:43] <topyli> xorg: system -> preferences -> sound. untick the daemon thingy
[01:43] <Goonie> can anyone tell me how to uninstall ipw2200 completely?
[01:43] <xorg> i'll try that
[01:44] <topyli> xorg: then go to "multimedia systems selector" and change the gnome apps to use alsa instead of esd
[01:44] <barney> Any ideas why an internal Intel536EP modem is not responding, after bulding & installing the driver?
[01:44] <xorg> great thanks topyli
[01:45] <Tuxicity> barney, random ideas: conflicting drivers; module not loaded in proper order; out of ideas sry :>
[01:46] <topyli> xorg: but now you don't hear system sounds while listening to something else
[01:46] <topyli> like mail or chat notifications
[01:46] <Tuxicity> topyli, if he is not using ESD, is he using ALSA then? or OSS?
[01:47] <xorg> yes
[01:47] <barney> Tuxicity: Do you think it could confilct with the nvidia driver? Should I move the intel lien up in modules.conf?
[01:47] <larsrohdin> hi, im having troubles watching fullscreen in ogle...does someone know anything about that?
[01:47] <topyli> Tuxicity: it's a choice to make. i'd go for alsa, it's the 21th century :)
[01:47] <xorg> I think alsa & esd where started by default
[01:47] <iluciv> Turtlewind: I seem to have iut set to the right setting in xorg.conf "PAL-B" any other ideas and why is the picture so dam mlarge
[01:47] <black_Nightmare> any of you know if its possible to manually set the mobile cpu speed in a P3/700?
[01:47] <topyli> Tuxicity: ubuntu uses oss through an alsa layer anyway
[01:48] <black_Nightmare> its for an ibm T20 laptop
[01:48] <Tuxicity> topyli, oh it was a question, not a comment. can ALSA do audio mixing(i think it is the right term)?
[01:48] <topyli> Tuxicity: dunno, it's being worked on but don't know the status
[01:49] <xorg> thanks chaps you guys rock & Ubuntu is brilliant
[01:49] <topyli> Tuxicity: would be nice, we could get rid of daemons
[01:49] <Tuxicity> topyli, well, i mean playing more than 1 sound at once?
[01:49] <topyli> exactly
[01:50] <Tuxicity> topyli, oh got it now
[01:50] <topyli> i think it still relies on harware these days, ie my sb128 won't do that
[01:51] <topyli> Tuxicity: so we have these darn daemons, each worse than the other
[01:51] <mishof> Q: how am i supposed to open a chm file ? :O
[01:51] <Tuxicity> topyli, my card has full-duplex...
[01:52] <topyli> Tuxicity: then you might get lucky
[01:53] <Turtlewind> iluciv - Google tells me that the PAL resolution is 720 x 486. Perhaps you need to change your desktop resolution to match that?
[01:53] <Turtlewind> (that's just a guess; I've never connected a linux box to a TV before)
[01:53] <xiaogil> hotplug doesn't work at the boot, it stops the boot process, i have to type Ctrl+C to keep on booting, and then the internet doesn't work, what should i do to solve this problem ?
[01:53] <Turtlewind> oh, except with Geexbox, but that's already set up for it
[01:54] <Tuxicity> mishof, xchm
[01:55] <topyli> mishof: nobody knows what sort of file that is. filenames don't necessarily tell much on linux
[01:55] <Tuxicity> mishof, though it sounds like a Micro$oft Compiled Help file
[01:56] <mishof> on google it says compiled html
[01:56] <Tuxicity> mishof, which you can view with xchm
[01:56] <mishof> yeah i try it right now
[01:56] <poningru> what is the bonobo-activation-server?
[01:56] <rejser> Anyone that can do some kernel install support (not custom kernel, just apt-get install)
[01:57] <mishof> Tuxicity, thanks it works :-)
[01:57] <Tuxicity> mishof, thank the author of xchm ;)
[01:58] <drcoded> hi all
[01:59] <drcoded> I need some littel help with shorewall
[01:59] <Tuxicity> drcoded, hey
[01:59] <drcoded> I have setup iu
[01:59] <drcoded> iy
[01:59] <drcoded> it , and read theree manual
[01:59] <drcoded> I can ping from computer B into linux computer A
[01:59] <drcoded> and I also did the NAT option in shorewall.conf
[02:00] <drcoded> but still I cant get into the internet from computer B
[02:02] <infiel> anyone know how to switch between displays on a dual head setup?
[02:02] <infiel> non-ximerama
[02:03] <XplOzIon> can someone help me installing an bmp plugin called docklet?
[02:03] <XplOzIon> damn mp3 sounds soooooo much better in linux!
[02:03] <infiel> sound is sound xpl0zIon
[02:03] <infiel> sounds the same wherever
[02:04] <XplOzIon> naw
[02:04] <AvvY> mp3 is shite, u should use ogg vorbis
[02:04] <Tuxicity> infiel, no no nooo!
[02:04] <XplOzIon> :P
[02:04] <XplOzIon> he know im right
[02:04] <hunger> Is there something like debian/sid in ubuntu? How can I switch to that?
[02:04] <mjr> infiel, umm, even with non-xinerama dual head X setups you should be able to just move the cursor from a screen to another
[02:05] <mjr> hunger, it's currently breezy; in the usual way
[02:05] <XplOzIon> so can anyone help me to install that plugin?
[02:05] <topyli> infiel: everything feels better in linux, be it sound or whatever :)
[02:05] <Turtlewind> mp3 is shite, u should use ogg vorbis  <-- when my MP3 player starts being able to play Ogg, I will start ripping my CDs in that format
[02:05] <Turtlewind> before that, it's MP3 all the way
[02:05] <hunger> mjr: Ah! That was dead the last time I tried. Thanks!
[02:05] <AvvY> Turtlewind: thats why u dont buy a iPod, and u go for an iriver player which can play ogg vorbis ;)
[02:06] <Tuxicity> XplOzIon, check BMP website for installing plugins
[02:06] <infiel> I don't want a iPod for the reason that I keep my music collection in ogg format
[02:06] <ulisse> I'm here again, I have a problem installing a second LAN card on my PC
[02:06] <infiel> the backups of my music cds
[02:06] <XplOzIon> Tuxicity, i am.. but im kinda confused
[02:07] <ulisse> when I put in the card, I am unable to connect neither to the router nor to the LAN
[02:07] <hunger> Yahoo! gcc 4 in breezy:-)
[02:08] <ulisse> with ifup --verbose eth0 I get something like: "pump -i eth0" and then "failed"
[02:09] <ulisse> eth0 is connected to the router with DHCP, eth1 to the lan wint a fixed IP
[02:09] <XplOzIon> stupid german!.. gotta call my dad to translate lol!
[02:09] <infiel> hunger: its all about tcc :)
[02:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> er?
[02:10] <hunger> infiel: tcc?
[02:12] <St0n3-C0l> hm...
[02:12] <St0n3-C0l> who prefers Slackware over Archlinux ;)
[02:13] <topyli> slackers do
[02:14] <AvvY> lol
[02:14] <St0n3-C0l> Archlinux system is like debian
[02:14] <St0n3-C0l> eh
[02:14] <topyli> exactly, and not much like slack :)
[02:14] <larsrohdin> what is the best program for playing dvd:s? both discs and .iso files...
[02:15] <St0n3-C0l> slack is stable ;)
[02:15] <St0n3-C0l> eh
[02:15] <St0n3-C0l> :>
[02:16] <St0n3-C0l> Slackware beats archlinux here ?
[02:16] <tck_> yeah but wheres the 64bit support
[02:16] <St0n3-C0l> ask Patrick
[02:16] <St0n3-C0l> :P
[02:16] <larsrohdin> what is the best program for playing dvd:s? both discs and .iso files... anyone?
[02:16] <St0n3-C0l> i don't have dvd-rom
[02:16] <St0n3-C0l> ;p
[02:17] <larsrohdin> aawww
[02:17] <Tuxicity> larsrohdin, maybe xine?
[02:17] <St0n3-C0l> getting angry for ?
[02:18] <larsrohdin> Tuxicity, it didnt have support for dvd-iso it said... ive tried totem-xine and it worked but it was laggy
[02:18] <XplOzIon> damn plugin and my noobish skill! cant install it (talking about docklet plugin for bmp)
[02:18] <gds> hi everybody
[02:19] <XplOzIon> hi
[02:19] <Tuxicity> XplOzIon, cant you just put it in some /plugin folder?
[02:19] <larsrohdin> Tuxicity, the best ive used was Ogle, but for some reason it wont show fullscreen anymore... do you know anything about that?
[02:19] <St0n3-C0l> topyli: I wanna install slackware and archlinux..confused :p
[02:19] <XplOzIon> Tuxicity, im on it
[02:20] <XplOzIon> Tuxicity, if i do tar -xxxx filename.tar /folder/folder it will extrack files to that folder??
[02:22] <Tuxicity> XplOzIon, tar -xvvzf
[02:22] <Tuxicity> XplOzIon, if it's tar.gz
[02:22] <Jefis> How to transfer files via ssh ?
[02:23] <Tuxicity> larsrohdin, edit usr/share/ogle/oglerc
[02:23] <Tuxicity> larsrohdin, edit /usr/share/ogle/oglerc
[02:23] <larsrohdin> Tuxicity, ok ill try...
[02:23] <XplOzIon> Tuxicity, its a tar.bz2
[02:23] <Riddell> Jefis: sco myfile myuser@mybox.example:
[02:24] <Jefis> this for uploading/downloading?
[02:24] <Jefis> :)
[02:24] <larsrohdin> Tuxicity, edit how? what line?=)
[02:24] <Tuxicity> larsrohdin, find <fullscreen>no</fullscreen>
[02:24] <Tuxicity> larsrohdin, change to yes
[02:24] <larsrohdin> yeah, but thats the same as pressing "F"... the window gets big but the movie is still small...
[02:25] <nydust> is there any alternatives to adobe illustrator?
[02:26] <topyli> St0n3-C0l: one system is quite enough. you don't gain much by supporting two systems, just extra work
[02:26] <XplOzIon> larsrohdin, heh i got same problem as you using mplayer. i coulndt fix it
[02:27] <larsrohdin> Tuxicity, i had the same problem in mplayer but then i added zoom_yes to the config file...
[02:27] <larsrohdin> XplOzIon, =) try that
[02:27] <Tuxicity> XplOzIon, tar -xvvjf
[02:27] <topyli> Jefis: scp is the command actuallly, not sco. it works both ways
[02:27] <St0n3-C0l> topyli: I know...but I'm confused in Archlinux's package management system and Slackware's stability
[02:28] <St0n3-C0l> i've used Slackware before...
[02:28] <St0n3-C0l> 9.1 and 10.0
[02:28] <topyli> St0n3-C0l: install debian or ubuntu if you want apt
[02:28] <St0n3-C0l> lol
[02:28] <St0n3-C0l> haha
[02:28] <St0n3-C0l> hahaha
[02:28] <Jefis> can somebody help me, with connecting mobile to my box (siemens cx65 via USB data cable)
[02:28] <St0n3-C0l> topyli: I use ubuntu :P
[02:29] <St0n3-C0l> my dear...thats why I'm here
[02:29] <St0n3-C0l> haha
[02:29] <topyli> isn't arch a downgrade then?
[02:29] <XplOzIon> Tuxicity, can you tell me the cmd to change the owner of a user again please? im writing everything from now on :P
[02:30] <St0n3-C0l> topyli: really ??
[02:30] <gds> How can I find a channel where they speak in english?
[02:30] <topyli> on irc? theres no such channel
[02:30] <larsrohdin> gds, we speak english...
[02:31] <gds> topyli, yes, I want to learn english
[02:31] <Jimmothy> haha
[02:31] <Tuxicity> XplOzIon, sudo chown -R username:username /dir/file
[02:31] <HiddenWolf> Is there a support channel for thunderbird somewhere?
[02:31] <gds> Jimmothy, ahahah
[02:31] <XplOzIon> Tuxicity, thank you!
[02:32] <gds> larsrohdin, you always speak about linux here
[02:33] <Jefis> can somebody help me, with connecting mobile to my box (siemens cx65 via USB data cable)
[02:33] <topyli> gds: here you'll learn a non-language that resembles english sometimes, and the rest is unix system calls :)
[02:34] <gds> topyli, you're right :-) Can you suggest me some channel?
[02:35] <nydust> how can i open psd files in linux?
[02:35] <topyli> St0n3-C0l: hey, apparently arch is not a debian thingy after all
[02:36] <scizzo> nydust: isn't that photoshop format?
[02:36] <larsrohdin> gds, yeah, its a ubuntu-channel...
[02:36] <scizzo> nydust: in that case GIMP has support to open them
[02:36] <nydust> scizzo, not my gimp
[02:36] <gds> larsrohdin, off course... :-)
[02:37] <Delph> HiddenWolf: check the mozilla site, they probably have an ircd somewhere.
[02:37] <scizzo> nydust: you need to get the non-free one
[02:37] <scizzo> nydust: because it is a format that is not open source an stuff like that
[02:37] <nydust> scizzo, non free gimp?
[02:37] <scizzo> yes
[02:38] <scizzo> nydust: or the lib for it
[02:38] <admx> really
[02:38] <topyli> gds: i don't know. i'm only on tech channels really. some general discussion channels may mind their language more. but on irc, the official language is bad english really
[02:38] <scizzo> nydust: did you compile GIMP?
[02:38] <smouche> also known as "bad English".
[02:38] <nydust> scizzo, no use that one that came with ubuntu
[02:39] <scizzo> nydust: then look for the one in universe
[02:39] <scizzo> nydust: or multiverse
[02:40] <gds> ok topyli , thank you
[02:40] <nydust> scizzo, WHERE???
[02:41] <scizzo> nydust: in synaptic
[02:41] <nydust> aha
[02:41] <admx> I'm using Gnome's  netapplet to monitor wireless networks. Does anyone use a better app to do this? Tried but failed to get NetworkMonitor to work with Ubuntu 5.04
[02:42] <scizzo> nydust: remember that PSD is hard to support
[02:43] <scizzo> nydust: CMYK stuff might not work and so on
[02:43] <markuman> where are the packages whitch i installed with syaptic?
[02:43] <markuman> /usr/share/...???
[02:43] <scizzo> nydust: and if you really want to edit PSD files it is hard depending on how it is build up
[02:43] <scizzo> nydust: and also remember that PS != GIMP
[02:43] <nydust> scizzo, oki, i just need to open a file, and look at it.. Its strane cause a opensource project has the install manual on a psd file
[02:44] <scizzo> nydust: look for a library that is called libpsd or something then
[02:44] <nydust> thanks
[02:44] <Harpi> hi everybody...i have a small matter... when i boot my computer it at a step over 2/3 times... i have written the steps which are "-Cleaning up ifupdown -calculating module dependencies -loading modules" and then it is freezed, i can't do anything just reboot ... do u have any idea ?
[02:45] <scizzo> if you want gif support in GIMP as a good example then I think you need non-free of GIMP
[02:45] <admx> Does anyone know if there are any good books dealing with Ubuntu?
[02:45] <Jefis> can somebody help me, with connecting mobile to my box (siemens cx65 via USB data cable)
[02:46] <LinuxJones> admx, a recent Debian book should be ok for most stuff
[02:46] <LinuxJones> admx, I don't know of any Ubuntu books atm
[02:47] <DXT> admx: ever tried man-pages? :-)
[02:47] <Harpi> nobody has already seen my prob
[02:47] <Tuxicity> larsrohdin, hey
[02:48] <topyli> admx install the debian documentation packages with synaptic. debian-reference and apt-howto at least
[02:48] <admx> LinuxJones do you know any good titles. Yes I use Man pages
[02:48] <Kinsei> I just accidentally killed grub and man it's a pain to put back (I gave up)
[02:48] <scizzo> admx: I think you can follow a lot of the Debian books to handle ubuntu
[02:48] <admx> thanks topyli I will give them a look
[02:48] <nydust> One more problem, I have installed mysql-client and mysql-server with apache2 modules ect.. But my mamboserver install says that i dosent have mysql support.. What can the problem bee?
[02:48] <nydust> be
[02:48] <LinuxJones> admx, I think there is a new Debian Bible but I'm not sure how old it is
[02:48] <admx> cool
[02:49] <scizzo> nydust: sounds like a missing lib you need....I don't think the headers are comming with those packages...
[02:49] <admx> I'll also head to the book store to look for it
[02:49] <topyli> i think it deals with upgrading potato to woody with the new "apt" system :)
[02:50] <Harpi> well...
[02:50] <LinuxJones> admx, Debian Bible is excellent I had a very old copy a few years back :)
[02:50] <scizzo> nydust: the headers are often placed in the libprogram-dev packages
[02:50] <larsrohdin> Tuxicity, hey?
[02:50] <nydust> scizzo, thanks
[02:51] <scizzo> nydust: it could also be the mysql-common package
[02:51] <admx> I'll check Boarders and B&N
[02:51] <nydust> scizzo, common package is installed, so i will try to install the dev package
[02:51] <alex> hi all
[02:51] <LinuxJones> admx, it should be easy to buy online as well
[02:51] <admx> true
[02:52] <LinuxJones> alex, hiya
[02:52] <Harpi> nobody have any idea...??
[02:52] <rejser> anyone that have an idea why I can't apt-get install linux-k7 (it ends with error, and if I reboot I get Kernel Panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block (0,0),  mkinitrd can't make initrd.img
[02:52] <scizzo> nydust: it sounds like a missing package anyway...
[02:52] <alex> hi LinuxHones
[02:53] <alex> hi LinuxJones
[02:53] <LinuxJones> :)
[02:53] <larsrohdin> Tuxicity, hey what?
[02:54] <Kinsei> if I install a new kernel, will it also put itself in the grub menu?
[02:55] <iluciv> is nvtv a module???
[02:55] <nydust> I want too thank you all... UBUNTU community rocks. And i have gone from windows to ubuntu and has been using it for 4 weeks now, and i will not look back.
[02:55] <theD3viL> i installed kernel-image and headers, now what ?
[02:56] <St0n3-C0l> nydust: Thankyou :>
[02:57] <alex> wow, nydust, i did move 3 weeks ago, it's cool, isn't it?
[02:57] <rejser> Kinsei: if everything goes alright it will
[02:57] <jazzka> is it possible to use a gdesklet to see if a gmail acount has new mail?
[02:58] <Kinsei> rejser: I had to uninstall grub and install lilo to get my machine to boot, but now I'd like to fix it properly back to how it was.
[02:58] <St0n3-C0l> it is
[02:58] <St0n3-C0l> :P
[02:58] <St0n3-C0l> get gdesklets-data
[02:58] <St0n3-C0l> or http://gdesklets.gnomedesktop.org
[02:58] <jazzka> St0n3-C0l, ok, but which gdesklet?
[02:59] <rejser> Kinsei: install grub aagain?
[02:59] <nydust> alex, yeah... I use this lap top. As an office computer at my office, so i will soon switch all the computers to ubuntu. Thats 25 clients, then we are windows free.
[02:59] <Kinsei> I can install it, and run update-grub and grub-install
[02:59] <nydust> and we will save alot of money..
[02:59] <larsrohdin> nydust, Nice;)
[02:59] <Tuxicity> larsrohdin, hey please type "xvinfo | grep adaptors" in terminal
[03:00] <Kinsei> when I boot I just get an error about the kernel file being not found
[03:00] <Kinsei> lilo however works
[03:00] <nydust> I was so tierd of virus, and i use tre - four ahou
[03:00] <larsrohdin> Tuxicity, no adaptors present
[03:00] <Tuxicity> larsrohdin, OH OH
[03:00] <nydust> ahours every week on removing virus on the clients
[03:00] <larsrohdin> Tuxicity, sounds bad=)
[03:00] <rejser> Kinsei: how do /boot/grub/menu.lst look?
[03:00] <Tuxicity> larsrohdin, that's why Ogle does not fullscreen
[03:01] <nydust> just that are 450$ saved per week ;)
[03:01] <larsrohdin> ok... so what do i do...
[03:01] <Kinsei> rejser: it's never changed since I installed
[03:01] <Tuxicity> larsrohdin, video card? nvidia or ati?
[03:01] <larsrohdin> ati
[03:01] <alex> nydust, i own 2 computers, i only changed my laptop to ubuntu
[03:01] <nydust> thats alot of beer
[03:01] <nydust> nice
[03:01] <Tuxicity> larsrohdin, did you install the binary driver (fglrx) ?
[03:01] <larsrohdin> yes
[03:01] <rejser> Kinsei: have you looked if it seems alright?
[03:01] <engie> Hi. I've installed gnome-phone-manager. What pin do I enter on my phone when I connect to it with my PC?
[03:02] <Tuxicity> larsrohdin, hmm 3d accel works?
[03:02] <larsrohdin> Tuxicity, how do i know that?
[03:02] <Kinsei> it looks fine to me, but it's a fairly confusing file
[03:02] <nydust> scizzo, i use mysql 4.1 do you thing i shuld try 4.0?
[03:03] <Tuxicity> larsrohdin, type in terminal "glxinfo | grep direct"
[03:03] <larsrohdin> direct rendering: Yes
[03:03] <Tuxicity> larsrohdin, that's fine
[03:04] <nydust> nydust = new idiot on norwegian ;)
[03:04] <nydust> ups wrong channel
[03:04] <nydust> ;)
[03:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> ;)
[03:05] <nydust> Its just one thing i really miss on linux. And its a CRM program..
[03:05] <St0n3-C0l> CRM ?
[03:05] <nydust> www.superoffice.com
[03:05] <larsrohdin> Tuxicity, so... whats next?
[03:06] <nydust> St0n3-C0l, look at thet link
[03:06] <membreya> with the man-db in cron.daily, do I need to worry about dangling symlink messages?
[03:06] <nydust> St0n3-C0l, Customor releasionship manager
[03:07] <nydust> St0n3-C0l, its a neat software to keep track on you costumers...
[03:07] <St0n3-C0l> hm..
[03:07] <St0n3-C0l> what type of relationship :P
[03:08] <nydust> St0n3-C0l, pure biz ;)
[03:08] <nydust> St0n3-C0l, you can use it too keep trach on your dates too
[03:08] <nydust> ;)
[03:08] <St0n3-C0l> lol
[03:09] <membreya> my GOD that's poor english nydust
[03:09] <nydust> but i think the good old blackbook do the jobb
[03:09] <Tuxicity> larsrohdin, confusion, lol
[03:09] <larsrohdin> lol... yeah i usually cause that...
[03:09] <nydust> membreya, sorry
[03:09] <Tuxicity> larsrohdin, im searching for the solution...
[03:10] <nydust> St0n3-C0l, you can use it to keep track on your date's to
[03:11] <nydust> membreya, betther?
[03:11] <cusco> hi
[03:11] <bet0x> Hello all :d
[03:11] <cusco> is there any wma to ogg/mp3/wav converter?
[03:11] <bet0x> waza dudesssssss
[03:11] <cusco> please
[03:11] <membreya> bet0x: ...any relation to botox?
[03:11] <cusco> hi bet0x
[03:11] <bet0x> no
[03:12] <bet0x> Im "AlberT" or "Alberto"
[03:12] <cusco> Alberto is a common name here in Portugal
[03:12] <bet0x> im from Argentina
[03:12] <bet0x> :)
[03:13] <Tuxicity> cusco, transcode
[03:13] <Tuxicity> cusco, it's mostly for video, maybe it does wma...?
[03:15] <bet0x> my name its a "Real name"
[03:15] <bet0x> im noble
[03:15] <bet0x> :p
[03:15] <Tuxicity> cusco, my mistake, transcode is for audio and video
[03:16] <membreya> cusco: http://www.linux.com/howtos/MP3-CD-Burning/audio.shtml
[03:17] <guruff> lool; can anyone help me with setting up services that are startet at boot ?
[03:17] <iluciv> membreya: know much about nvtv??
[03:17] <membreya> none
[03:17] <membreya> i dont use it
[03:17] <iluciv> damm
[03:17] <Airo> hmm, is there a ppc specific ubuntu channel?
[03:17] <membreya> i just use twinview
[03:17] <membreya> like a real man
[03:17] <smouche> cuzco -- here's a "free GPL'd" program that claims ability to reencode mp3/ogg/wma to mp3/ogg:
[03:18] <smouche> http://www.mbox.wz.cz/
[03:18] <iluciv> meh
[03:18] <smouche> I haven't tried it though
[03:19] <iluciv> I got it working sorta just black and white display that to big for the tv
[03:19] <membreya> unflex then little man :P
[03:20] <smouche> oops sorry cusco, I mispelled your nick -- look at this page:  http://www.mbox.wz.cz/
[03:20] <Tuxicity> cusco, sudo apt-get install gtranscode
[03:21] <membreya> why not just use the link I provided, it lets you do it all from the command line
[03:22] <Bhodi> 'afternoon
[03:22] <Tuxicity> membreya, transcode is command-line, gtranscode graphical
[03:23] <smouche> wow, membreya, didn't know mplayer could do conversion... cool
[03:23] <membreya> now I just have to install it to test it :P
[03:23] <iluciv> LOL
[03:24] <Bhodi> does anyone have tips on getting sound to work with a soundblaster live card?
[03:24] <iluciv> sorry was away
[03:24] <mjr> Bhodi, should work out of the box
[03:24] <mjr> Bhodi, if you have an onboard sound in addition, it might be used by default
[03:24] <Bhodi> mjr: I thought so to but it doesn't :(
[03:25] <Bhodi> mjr: i do have onboard sound but i can't find a place to select the one i want
[03:25] <membreya> just did the test, it converts perfectly :)
[03:26] <guruff> anyone has an idea about what services are critically needed for ubuntu; like if i have a low profile machine do i need lvm or evms <- and what are those ?
[03:27] <Kinsei> lvm is logical volume manager and I'm fairly sure you don't need it
[03:27] <membreya> Bhodi: you need to disable the onboard sound in your BIOS
[03:27] <guruff> Kinsei; what about evms ?
[03:27] <Kinsei> no idea
[03:27] <Bhodi> membreya: can give that a try, thnx
[03:28] <john__> What does it mean: /dev/hdb1 has been mounted 30 times without being checked.
[03:28] <membreya> john_: it means that you've rebooted 30 times
[03:28] <smouche> membreya, which does, the  command line or gtranscode?
[03:28] <membreya> and it needs to fsck it
[03:28] <membreya> smouche: the command line
[03:28] <membreya> with mplayer
[03:28] <membreya> it creates a file called audiodump.wav
[03:28] <smouche> good.  nice to put mplayer to good use, thanks
[03:28] <john__> okay. How can I check it?
[03:28] <membreya> bear in mind, you can't convert a file that has spaces :P
[03:29] <membreya> john_: what do you mean how can you check? your system tells you :P
[03:29] <john__> It doesen't matter. It checks it by itself anyway.
[03:29] <davix> if i manually installed a program, how can i make a link for it in the gdm <applications -> other> menu?
[03:33] <Bhodi> membreya: disabling onboard in bios did the trick, thnx!
[03:35] <membreya> Bhodi: np..it's a known problem with SB and onboard :)
[03:38] <larsrohdin> Tuxicity, found anything yet?
[03:38] <stephen_> HI. I'm running hoary on a nforce2 based athlon system with a geforce 6600 gt board. Every so often (couple of hours or so I guess) X completely locks up
[03:39] <stephen_> I can SSH in and I see that the xorg log sais AUDIT: Sun Apr 24 14:11:28 2005: 6254 X: client 38 rejected from local host. What could cause this?
[03:39] <stephen_> My puter is unusable, I have to hit the power button to shut it down. CTRL-ALT-BACKSPACE doesn't work.
[03:39] <membreya> stephen_: can you still move the mouse?
[03:40] <stephen_> membreya: Yes
[03:40] <stephen_> Everything redraws underneath it fine
[03:40] <membreya> stephen_: disabled renderaccel in your xorg.conf
[03:40] <membreya> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7183
[03:40] <stephen_> Is it better to run the nvidia drivers?
[03:40] <Tuxicity> larsrohdin, somehow related to fglrx, xv... vague, i know
[03:41] <larsrohdin> hmmm...
[03:41] <Kinsei> that also happens to me; it's extremely infuriating
[03:41] <Kinsei> but it seems to have stopped now that I added a certain line to xorg.conf
[03:41] <membreya> stephen_: doesn't make a different really
[03:41] <Kinsei>         Option          "NvAgp" "1"
[03:41] <Kinsei> in the Device section
[03:42] <Kinsei> fyi disabling renderaccel didn't solve it for me
[03:42] <membreya> Kinsei: that just tells xorg to use nvagp
[03:42] <Toinou> hey salut :)
[03:42] <membreya> renderaccel fixed it for me
[03:42] <stephen_> will try renderaccel
[03:42] <stephen_> Thanks
[03:42] <Tuxicity> larsrohdin, i am installing fglrx on my box right now. i'll be back in a few moments
[03:42] <Toinou> Petite question : J'ai XP sur mon PC et je voudrais avoir un linux dans les heures qui viennent, quelles tapes de dois suivre ?
[03:42] <stephen_> (Am running standard ubuntu drivers btw)
[03:42] <larsrohdin> ok, thanks for taking time...
[03:42] <Kinsei> stephen_: check dmesg for a line about nvagp when the problem happens
[03:43] <Tuxicity> Toinou, #ubuntu-fr
[03:43] <trygvebw> Hi, which package is dh_make in?
[03:43] <geewz> heya, can anyone help this NooB with gpg key stuff/
[03:43] <geewz> ?
[03:43] <membreya> stephen_: are you running nvidia or nv
[03:43] <stephen_> membreya: nv
[03:43] <Toinou> tks Tuxicity
[03:43] <membreya> hmmmmm v.odd
[03:43] <Tuxicity> Toinou, de rien
[03:44] <stephen_> membreya: Does nv do accelerated rendering?
[03:44] <membreya> not well.
[03:44] <stephen_> I'll try the nvidia drivers
[03:45] <patoch> yah
[03:46] <patoch> do u speack english or french ?
[03:46] <larsrohdin>  english here
[03:46] <patoch> oki thanks
[03:46] <b0ol> hey
[03:46] <nikls> I had problem to start ubuntu today due to "hotplug subsystem" load, I think, do someone also had this problem?
[03:46] <patoch> where is the chan to french ?
[03:47] <patoch> don't exist
[03:47] <patoch> excuz me for my english
[03:47] <b0ol> damn
[03:47] <b0ol> i cant install mplayer :/
[03:47] <malte> hi, i'm running ubuntu as a server and apache 2 on it. it seems to get restarted every once in a while, why might that be?
[03:47] <b0ol> i always get errormsgs
[03:47] <b0ol> :/
[03:47] <malte> apache gets restarted, not ubuntu :)
[03:48] <b0ol> mplayer-386:
[03:48] <b0ol>  Hngt ab: libavcodeccvs aber es wird nicht installiert
[03:48] <b0ol>   Hngt ab: libc6 (>=2.3.2.ds1-21) aber 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13 wird installiert
[03:48] <b0ol>   Hngt ab: libfontconfig1 (>=2.3.0) aber 2.2.3-4ubuntu7 wird installiert
[03:48] <b0ol>  Hngt ab: libpostproc0 aber es wird nicht installiert
[03:48] <b0ol>   Hngt ab: libvorbis0a (>=1.1.0) aber 1.0.1-1 wird installiert
[03:48] <b0ol>   Hngt ab: xmms (>=1.2.10+cvs20
[03:48] <nikls> bOol: I also got this error
[03:48] <malte> the thing is it's quite annoying, because i need to manually enter a password for ssl every time apache restarts
[03:48] <larsrohdin> patoch, no problem... most persons in here understand bad english too=) I'm not english either...
[03:48] <nikls> cancel nerim from source.lst then it will work
[03:49] <nikls> you can put it back after if you want
[03:49] <b0ol> nerim?
[03:49] <b0ol> complete name
[03:49] <b0ol> ?
[03:51] <nikls> in /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:52] <nikls> did you found it?
[03:52] <topyli> b0ol:
[03:52] <topyli> grep nerim.net /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:53] <topyli> should be commented
[03:53] <topyli> # deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[03:53] <b0ol> got it already :)
[03:53] <b0ol> thn
[03:53] <nikls> do someone had problem on boot with "hotplug subsystem"?
[03:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> nikls some ppl have
[03:53] <geewz> topyli, what's wrong with Marillat??
[03:54] <nikls> Kamping_Kaiser: how did you fixed it?
[03:54] <toffy> how do I mount a nfts with  char?
[03:54] <topyli> geewz: nothing. probably his unstable is out of sync with hoary, there are dependency problems
[03:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> nikls dont know sorry, just remember someone else having the probloem
[03:55] <topyli> some packages will work, others won't
[03:55] <nikls> Kamping_Kaiser: no need to apologyze
[03:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> :/ i should remember
[03:56] <bet0x> Err http://backports.ubuntuforums.org hoary-backports/main Packages
[03:56] <bet0x>   500 Internal Server Error
[03:56] <geewz> topyli, I'm not happy that Marillat is mentioned in Ubuntu guide ... and backport's is still not working for me ...
[03:56] <bet0x> its down backports?
[03:56] <geewz> betox beat me to it!
[03:56] <nikls> i tryied "/etc/ini.d/hotplug start" but with the same result
[03:57] <topyli> geewz: his packages are good, but they shouldn't be advertised for ubuntu
[03:57] <bet0x> geewz, ?
[03:57] <bet0x> geewz, what u say?
[03:57] <ermo> toffy, danish?
[03:57] <toffy> ermo, yes or norwegian
[03:57] <toffy> :)
[03:58] <ermo> toffy, hrrm, I meant 'do you speak danish'?
[03:58] <toffy> ermo, I mount my windows ntfs but i cant find files with  in it
[03:58] <toffy> ermo, ja
[03:58] <ermo> toffy, I'll /query you
[03:59] <geewz> bet0x, you mentioned the backports problem before me
[03:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> toffy, whats the line you mounted with say?
[03:59] <bet0x> geewz, :D
[03:59] <bet0x> geewz, down aparently
[03:59] <larsrohdin> toffy, hey then we're practically neighbors! im swedish=)
[03:59] <toffy> Kamping_Kaiser, ehh what do you meen?
[04:00] <bet0x> We are in the process of moving to a FreeBSD server. There may be a temporary outage.
[04:00] <bet0x> Getting 403 Forbidden Errors? You must be using the old ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net repository. Please update with http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/backports
[04:00] <toffy> larsrohdin, hi then
[04:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> toffy, did you mount from the command line or from fstab?
[04:00] <geewz> bet0x, down for a few days, not quite satisfactory ...
[04:00] <toffy> Kamping_Kaiser, I have tryed both
[04:00] <larsrohdin> toffy, hi
[04:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> whats the line in your fstab say? can you put it here?
[04:00] <toffy> Kamping_Kaiser, but I cant find files that have  in it
[04:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes, so what does your fstab say? its probably what you have there
[04:01] <toffy> Kamping_Kaiser, its the line from ubuntugudes
[04:01] <Xappe> toffy add a nls=utf8 to the mount options
[04:01] <TechLord_Work> Kamping_kaiser i switched from kubuntu to ubuntu last night and could not be happier
[04:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> :) cool. going ok?
[04:02] <Xappe> hmm, or should it be iocharset?
[04:02] <toffy> Xappe, ok soo /dev/hda1 /media/win ntfs umask=0222 nls=utf8 0 ?
[04:02] <ermo> Xappe, man 8 mount says nls
[04:02] <TechLord_Work> yep have xine my cd rom mount automagically and so do my usb hdd and
[04:02] <TechLord_Work> only problem is i cant get my builtin card reader to work
[04:03] <Xappe> ermo: as thought then
[04:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> :( sounding better though
[04:03] <TechLord_Work> yep lots the card reader seems to be a problem across the bord with ever distribution i've read about
[04:03] <Xappe> toffy: umask=0222,nls=utf8
[04:05] <ermo> Xappe, do you know whether the options 'utf8,nls=utf8' are redundant or just complimentary?
[04:05] <Xappe> ermo: I have no idea
[04:05] <Spirit7609> hi guys! just installed.. looks nice but - Ubuntu didn't ask me for a root passwd.. strange. is there a default?
[04:06] <TechLord_Work> there is no root password by default it uses sudo
[04:06] <ermo> toffy, anyway, load the nfs_utf8 module with 'sudo /sbin/modprobe nls_utf8' before you try asking mount to use utf8 mappings
[04:06] <toffy> Xappe, tnz no I find my files
[04:06] <Spirit7609> but sudo also asks for the passwd
[04:06] <TechLord_Work> your user password
[04:06] <larsrohdin> Tuxicity, I have to go now, but ill be back later or some other day...
[04:06] <toffy> ermo, ok but it works now then
[04:06] <Spirit7609> oh nice
[04:06] <Spirit7609> thanks :-)
[04:06] <TechLord_Work> by default the first user you created at startup time is in the suoders list
[04:07] <ermo> toffy, oh goody!
[04:07] <Spirit7609> ok, when you're used to other distros, this is kind of strange.. but I'll get it. thanks again
[04:07] <TechLord_Work> np
[04:08] <chase> is there some thing special i have to do to get my PCMCIA card reognised? Ive got pcmcia pcmcia_core yenta_socket and ndiswrapper loaded in the kernel and /etc/init.d/pcmcia is running but when i plug the card in i dont see any out put in /var/log/messages? is there somethign im missing
[04:09] <TechLord_Work> what type of card is it?
[04:09] <elshadii> I have reciently aquired a router and am trying to learn samba do you guys know a good tutorial for newbies?
[04:10] <chase> TechLord_Work, Linksys wireless card
[04:10] <Thorrn4> hello!!! Im very new to Linux; I was wondering are there any benefits of Using ubuntu of kubuntu?
[04:10] <trygvebw> If you like GNOME better than KDE, use Ubuntu. If it's the other way around, use Kubuntu.
[04:11] <TechLord_Work> i personally find ubuntu more stable
[04:11] <Thorrn4> more stable?
[04:11] <LinuxJones> Thorrn4, it depends on if you like using Gnome or KDE. Other than that they have the same core components
[04:11] <WillCooke> elshadii, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SettingUpSamba
[04:11] <elshadii> thanks WillCooke
[04:11] <WillCooke> elshadii, Google is your friend!
[04:11] <chase> i installed ubuntu then just removed the gnome apps and installed kde stuff and stability seems fine
[04:12] <Insom> hi all
[04:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi
[04:12] <elcu> Thorrn4: less crashes
[04:12] <Thorrn4> so, ubuntu would be a beginner's linux, easy 2 use and install?
[04:12] <trygvebw> Yep.
[04:12] <membreya> aside from cpu family 15, model 12 (as appears in /proc/cpuinfo), is there any way to tell the family NAME of the CPU you're running?
[04:12] <Insom> any of u guys run ubuntu on hp pavilion?
[04:12] <trygvebw> Ubuntu is designed to be easy to use.
[04:12] <Kartagis> why does apt-get have to remove libqt3-dev when getting KDE?
[04:12] <AiYori> hi all
[04:13] <ivo_> hello every one
[04:13] <Insom> hi
[04:13] <LinuxJones> Thorrn4, I would run the LiveCD for a few days to get the feel of Linux, before attempting an install
[04:13] <AiYori> i don't undersand why i don't arrive to read mp3 files it say that i vnt got the plugin
[04:13] <ivo_> who wants to help me with a question I have???
[04:13] <trygvebw> Yeah, try a LiveCD. :)
[04:13] <Insom> i have a question about my s3 savage video card on my hp laptop
[04:13] <Insom> pitaj stari
[04:13] <elcu> AiYori: ubuntuguide.org
[04:14] <membreya> AiYori: mp3 codecs dont ship by default
[04:14] <Thorrn4> LinuxJones, should I only test the live cd and installed from the INSTALL CD or install from the live cd?
[04:14] <ivo_> i want to install java_sdk, but in wich directory must the selfextracting package must be extracted??
[04:14] <TechLord_Work> chase what do you see if you do a lspci
[04:14] <trygvebw> Thorrn4: You try the LiveCD, and install from the Install CD :)
[04:14] <LinuxJones> Thorrn4, you can't do an install from the LiveCD as of yet. :(
[04:14] <Thorrn4> oh, ok
[04:14] <Thorrn4> oh....
[04:14] <Thorrn4> aight then thanx!!
[04:14] <elcu> Thorrn4: not from an ubuntu live cd
[04:15] <Thorrn4> I'll start to d/l them now
[04:15] <ivo_> i want to install java_sdk, but in wich directory must the selfextracting package must be extracted??
[04:15] <Thorrn4> Im been convinced!!!
[04:15] <Insom> ivo_: http://ubuntuguide.org/
[04:15] <Thorrn4> s/Im/I've
[04:15] <trygvebw> Thorrn4: :)
[04:15] <LinuxJones> heh
[04:15] <P2OG> check this google map for the heck of it, Triagle with Circles inside it out in the middle of nowhere nevada
[04:15] <P2OG> http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=37.627187,-116.847925&spn=0.024161,0.031672&t=k&hl=en
[04:15] <trygvebw> P2OG, scarry XD
[04:15] <chase> TechLord_Work, im not seeing a change when having the card in out out
[04:16] <Thorrn4> In advance, how can I uninstall the GNOME and install KDE?
[04:16] <ivo_> doesn't any one know that in here?
[04:16] <mipfi> know anyone a way how to start ET with ESD ?
[04:16] <LinuxJones> Thorrn4, it's easy
[04:16] <trygvebw> Thorrn4: Remove gnomelibs with Synaptic, and install the kde package :)
[04:16] <AiYori> thx elcu, membreya
[04:16] <elcu> Thorrn4: you can have both of them.
[04:16] <Insom> ivo: just check out this link http://ubuntuguide.org/ there is a howto in installing java on ubuntu
[04:17] <barto-kun> P2OG: go down a bit, and there's a gun sight
[04:17] <Insom> in = on
[04:17] <TechLord_Work> chase i don't think that the system is seeing the card.  what do you get if you try and iwconfig
[04:17] <Insom> does anyone know where to get s3 savage drivers for ubuntu?
[04:17] <elcu> why don't they include the ubuntuguide link in the #ubuntu topic? :)
[04:17] <Thorrn4> elcu, I try GNOME out then......I hate GNOME 1.4 in Solaris 9!!!! IT CRASHED ON ME SOOOO MUCH....I have nightmares
[04:18] <trygvebw> Thorrn4: GNOME 1.4 is TOTALLY different from GNOME 2.10 :)
[04:18] <LinuxJones> Thorrn4, Gnome 2.10 is much better :)
[04:18] <mwh_> hello, im trying to compile beagle-0.0.9 but I get stuck with the following error msg during configure:
[04:18] <elcu> heh, what trygvebw said.
[04:18] <mwh_> configure: error: Unable to find scrnsaver.h.  You probably need to install XFree86 development packages
[04:18] <mwh_> I use hoary
[04:18] <chase> lo        no wireless extensions. / eth0      no wireless extensions. / sit0      no wireless extensions.
[04:18] <Thorrn4> ok, I started downloading it
[04:18] <mwh_> and I cant seem to find the package which contains that header
[04:18] <trygvebw> mwh_, Beagle 0.0.9 won't install on Hoary, sorry :)
[04:19] <kanuha> mipfi, did you try this "echo "et.x86 0 0 direct" > /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/oss" ?
[04:19] <trygvebw> Thorrn4, good luck :)
[04:19] <chase> TechLord_Work, i dont know what the sit0 can from thought?
[04:19] <mwh_> trygvebw: why?
[04:19] <Tsuroerusu> Yo Guys! Except for the "official ubuntu" kernel I have a full Ubuntu system running on my Xbox
[04:19] <trygvebw> mwh_, It requires a newer Mono version :)
[04:19] <trygvebw> Tsuroerusu, congrats :)
[04:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> cool. lol
[04:19] <elcu> Thorrn4: for the future, read ubuntuguide.org and visit the ubuntu forums first.  it will save us from having to tell you so.
[04:19] <mwh_> trygvebw: I have a newer version of Mono
[04:19] <P2OG> Here's another good strange design GOOGLE MAPS -> http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=37.401087,-116.865864&spn=0.008165,0.010450&t=k&hl=en
[04:19] <trygvebw> mwh_: Which one?
[04:19] <mwh_> trygvebw: 1.1.6
[04:19] <TechLord_Work> the system does not see and/or recognize the card
[04:19] <trygvebw> ok :)
[04:20] <Tsuroerusu> 1.4
[04:20] <eskaypey> hey ubuntu is a bit slow on boot up??
[04:20] <mwh_> trygvebw: the problem I have is the thing I mentioned before
[04:20] <mwh_> trygvebw: configure: error: Unable to find scrnsaver.h.  You probably need to install XFree86 development packages
[04:20] <trygvebw> mwh_: You need the xscreensaver libs and dev files
[04:20] <Tuxicity> eskaypey, Warty?
[04:20] <trygvebw> Howait.
[04:20] <chase> TechLord_Work, if its not seeing the card am i missing somethign in linux then? something not loaded in the kerenel or somthing?
[04:20] <eskaypey> yeah
[04:20] <mwh_> okay how to get them? .. what are they named
[04:21] <Thorrn4> elcu, I just had a few questions, that could quickly be answered; I didnt want to bother anyone, but everyone seemed contant on helping me
[04:21] <trygvebw> libxss-dev
[04:21] <trygvebw> mwh_: libxss-dev
[04:21] <mwh_> ahh
[04:21] <mwh_> thanks
[04:21] <trygvebw> np :)
[04:21] <Tuxicity> eskaypey, Warty was a bit slow as I recall. Hoary is faster
[04:21] <mwh_> why the heck is it named like that .. grr :)
[04:21] <trygvebw> :)
[04:22] <TechLord_Work> chase which version of the card do you have
[04:22] <elcu> Thorrn4: yeah, its ok.  i was just saying it for later, when you wonder why you can't play dvds or mp3s.
[04:22] <melodie> hello all
[04:22] <Thorrn4> does Ubuntu use apt-get? because that is what Im kinda use 2
[04:22] <Thorrn4> Kaffeine plays that stuff
[04:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes
[04:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> it does use apt
[04:22] <trygvebw> Thorrn4, yes
[04:22] <Thorrn4> elcu, kaffeine, the front for xine, can play DVDs and MP3s; its nice
[04:24] <chase> TechLord_Work, Ver 1.2 its WPC54G
[04:24] <Thorrn4> thanks for all your help guys....I'll be back if I cannot install Ubuntu or get it 2 work, lol :D
[04:24] <trygvebw> Thorrn4, good luck :)
[04:27] <Thorrn4> one last thing! does Ubuntu wipe the hd to install itself? for do I have 2 use another program 2 do that?
[04:27] <ivo_> what do I use for compiling *.java in ubuntu??
[04:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> thorrn4 if youwant it to wipe the hdd it will
[04:28] <Thorrn4> ok Kamping_Kaiser thanx
[04:28] <Thorrn4> bye again!!!
[04:28] <barto-kun> Thorrn4: it gives you the option to erase the drive, but there's a manual disk setup wizard if you don't want it to
[04:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[04:28] <TechLord_Work> chase do you know what the chipset is in that card
[04:28] <Thorrn4> 20 more minutes until it is d/l
[04:28] <Thorrn4> I'll check back in later
[04:29] <Thorrn4> lol
[04:29] <ivo_> what do I use for compiling *.java in ubuntu??
[04:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> ffs, what you using for adsl? 1mb? thorrn4?
[04:29] <chase> TechLord_Work, no give me a sec
[04:30] <XplOzIon> anyone know how to fix amsn crash?
[04:30] <dcraven> ivo_: javac
[04:31] <ivo_> yes i know
[04:31] <timmow> Ive been having memory issues and i just found my swap was not working.  I had to do mkswap /dev/hda4 and then swapon /dev/hda4
[04:31] <ivo_> but i installed sdk, but I don't have javac!!!
[04:31] <markdrago> Is there a package I can pull in that will get most everything I need to do gnome development on ubuntu?
[04:31] <timmow> Anyone know why, or how I can check it is set up properly?
[04:31] <ivo_> do i have to install something else, or make a "ln -s"???
[04:31] <dcraven> ivo_: check for it in /usr/bin
[04:32] <chase> TechLord_Work, no i cant find it, i just probablly be looking in the wrong place
[04:32] <Insom> how do i refresh repositories
[04:32] <dcraven> ivo_: locate javac
[04:33] <ivo_> i only have java!!
[04:33] <markdrago> Or is there a package that will pull in all of the autotools stuff?
[04:33] <olorin> Insom: sudo apt-get update
[04:33] <dcraven> ivo_: maybe you only installed the JRE? Not the SDK?
[04:33] <ivo_> mm
[04:33] <Insom> tnx olorin
[04:33] <ivo_> let's check
[04:33] <serfurj> is there a default root password?  i didn't have the chance to set it during the default server install mode
[04:33] <ivo_> is this the same package??? (.bin)
[04:34] <olorin> serfurj: no
[04:34] <ivo_> ./java_sdk/j2sdk1.4.2_08/bin/javac
[04:34] <olorin> serfurj: there is no root passwd
[04:34] <dcraven> ivo_: if you have "java" in your path, but not javac, there is an excellent chance you have the JRE.
[04:34] <LinuxJones> markdrago, sudo apt-get update && apt-get install build-essential will get the basics like gcc, make etc...
[04:34] <ivo_> this was found by  the searcher: ./java_sdk/j2sdk1.4.2_08/bin/javac
[04:34] <dcraven> ivo_: there it is!
[04:34] <dcraven> ivo_: use that to compile.
[04:34] <serfurj> olorin: i tried entering no password as root, didn't work
[04:34] <ivo_> but first I have to make a link??
[04:34] <ivo_> ln -s???
[04:35] <olorin> serfurj: use sudo
[04:35] <BlackLabel> is there such thing as a .om domain?
[04:35] <dcraven> ivo_: either make a symlink as you suggest, or use the absolute path to javac in your compile command.
[04:35] <serfurj> olorin: thanks
[04:36] <ivo_> okay many thanks :D
[04:36] <dcraven> ivo_: np
[04:36] <timmow> is it possible for swap to get corrupted?
[04:36] <timmow> and is it bad to share swap between distros?
[04:37] <njs12345> timmow: I don't believe so
[04:37] <njs12345> timmow: definitely not
[04:37] <markdrago> LinuxJones, thanks.
[04:37] <dcraven> timmow: I suppose so... But rebooting would fix it for certain.
[04:37] <LinuxJones> markdrago, np
[04:37] <njs12345> timmow: swap is swap, no matter what distro you're using ;)
[04:37] <njs12345> it could be corrupted if your disk drive was corrupt
[04:37] <timmow> right thats what i thought thanks
[04:37] <markdrago> I'm kind of tooling through synaptic now just grabbing all kinds of extras.
[04:37] <markuman> fucking flash don't work in firefox and mozilla. but in command line swfplayer works
[04:37] <ompaul> timmow (A) it is always possible, but but not likely (B) no problem using the same swap for many distros (as long as they are not running at the same time Xen / UML) :-)
[04:38] <timmow> swapon failed with invalid options, after i ran mkswap, i typed the exact same thing and it worked
[04:38] <Q_Continuum> Linux pwns Windows.
[04:38] <Q_Continuum> I have proof.
[04:38] <ompaul> pwns?
[04:38] <dcraven> oh boy
[04:38] <Q_Continuum> not only that, but proof that Linux pwns Windows at windows-games.
[04:39] <njs12345> ompaul: you've obviously never played Counter-Strike :P
[04:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[04:39] <Q_Continuum> World of Warcraft loads faster under linux than windows. lol.
[04:39] <ivo_> yes, i have got it
[04:39] <ompaul> njs12345, would that be a windows game?
[04:39] <Tuxicity> Q_Continuum, emulated?
[04:39] <njs12345> ompaul: yes, it was
[04:39] <Q_Continuum> cedega, yes.
[04:39] <ivo_> who knows a good java editor with live time improvement?? for ubuntu???
[04:39] <BlackLabel> hi ompaul
[04:39] <ivo_> who knows a good java editor with live time improvement?? for ubuntu???
[04:39] <ompaul> njs12345, that would explain that then :-)
[04:39] <timmow> Also is it normal for xorg to use a lot of memory? It is using 101mb
[04:39] <dcraven> ivo_: settle down.
[04:40] <holycow> Q_Continuum, hehe
[04:40] <njs12345> timmow: a lot of pixmaps and stuff are stored in X, I thinkl
[04:40] <BlackLabel> ompaul i will msg u
[04:40] <ompaul> BlackLabel, k
[04:40] <Q_Continuum> Oh noes!  Not a project plan!
[04:40] <ivo_> ??
[04:40] <ivo_> what is it dcraven??
[04:40] <dcraven> ivo_: you don't have to repeat yourself in 5 seconds.
[04:40] <ompaul> Q_Continuum, and for you the gant chart of new ....
[04:40] <ivo_> ow now, that was my fault
[04:40] <njs12345> I was thinking of buying WoW, but it'd just fuel my addiction to online games and make me do even less homework
[04:41] <Q_Continuum> AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH
[04:41] <ivo_> made a mistake, sorry
[04:41] <dcraven> ivo_: what is live time improvement?
[04:41] <njs12345> and plus, subscription fees! :(
[04:41] <Ironfrost> is there a way to uninstall a program I installed from a .deb file?
[04:41] <trygvebw> dpkg -r program
[04:41] <Q_Continuum> WoW = freaking addicting.
[04:41] <trygvebw> sudo dpkg -r program
[04:41] <Dalkus> How can I stop X running?
[04:41] <Dalkus> (temporarily)
[04:41] <trygvebw> Ironfrost ^
[04:41] <trygvebw> Dalkus: telinit 3
[04:41] <njs12345> Dalkus: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[04:41] <trygvebw> Dalkus: or "killall gdm"
[04:41] <ivo_> i mean, when you type, and you make a mistake the program make the code underlined so you know that something is not good.
[04:41] <Dalkus> telinit 3 did nothing
[04:41] <Dalkus> thanks
[04:41] <njs12345> ivo_: try Netbeans or Eclipse
[04:42] <Ironfrost> thanks a lot
[04:42] <ivo_> okay thanks
[04:43] <mustafa> hi i am getting xkb error when i configure my keyboard layout
[04:43] <mustafa> i try to set it turkish q
[04:43] <mustafa> but it does not work properly
[04:43] <mustafa> ayone help
[04:45] <dcraven> mustafa: you are setting the XkbLayout in /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
[04:46] <melodie> I'm loooking for the ntfsresize tool supposed to be inclueded with partman in the Hoary installer
[04:46] <melodie> someone knows about it please ?
[04:46] <melodie> I'm installing on a laptop just now
[04:47] <jojomillan_> hi all. where could i post my xorg.log so yuo guys could have a quick look? can't get nvidia drivers working...
[04:47] <mustafa> no
[04:48] <dcraven> mustafa: what is the value of XkbLayout in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file? I believe you want it to be "tr".
[04:48] <dcraven> jojomillan_: pastebin.com
[04:48] <jojomillan_> cheers
[04:49] <jojomillan_> anyone care to have a look? http://pastebin.com/275266
[04:49] <Tuxicity> melodie, ntfsprogs
[04:49] <rapha> Hi all!
[04:49] <dcraven> jojomillan_: I assume you did this --> http://ubuntuguide.org/index.html#installnvidiadriver
[04:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi
[04:49] <jojomillan_> yes
[04:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> i didnt use that method
[04:50] <melodie> Tuxicity: more detail plse ?
[04:50] <rapha> I need some help with mysql. I just moved /var/lib/mysql to ~/.mysql  and symlinked it (~is back-upped), but now mysql doesn't see its databases anymore. Can this be made to work?
[04:50] <jojomillan_> dcraven: i would install the drivers by hand, but i can't. the installer can't find the headers/source - although they are installed
[04:50] <mustafa> look i am newbie now tell me how or where can i read the value
[04:51] <melodie> I'm trying to find out if the resize can be done during the install :)
[04:51] <njs12345> mustafa: cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | gre XkbLayout
[04:51] <njs12345> oops
[04:51] <njs12345> mustafa: cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep XkbLayout
[04:51] <Tuxicity> melodie, did you hear it could be done? I didnt think so, but maybe you're right?
[04:51] <stuNNed> rapha: it's probably not as simple as a symlink, check #mysql
[04:52] <melodie> Tuxicity: I read that ntfsresize is now part of Partman in the installer
[04:53] <melodie> and I've got a win in this old laptop I bought yesterday so I try to find out before formatting all
[04:54] <timmow> melodie: I used knoppix and qtparted to sort all the partitions out before i installed ubuntu.  Might be an easier method.
[04:54] <melodie> otherwise I didn't find any howto for that :)
[04:54] <melodie> timeow: I look not for easy known method, but for easy unknown method :))
[04:55] <mustafa> ok f'nally
[04:55] <jojomillan_> dcraven: any ideas?
[04:55] <rapha> stuNNed: Okay, thx
[04:55] <Tuxicity> melodie, indeed you're right
[04:55] <melodie> I can try only once, because after I can't reinstall a win in order to try
[04:56] <mustafa> what w'll i do next
[04:56] <melodie> I try to search further on the web incase...
[04:56] <Tuxicity> melodie, well did you try booting the installer?
[04:57] <dcraven> jojomillan_: I'm not familiar with that error. It looks like it chokes on GLX?
[04:57] <flames> i want reach my xp share in ubuntu with smbmount, command: sudo smbmount //192.168.0.2/share-a /share/a
[04:57] <flames> it's work fine yesterday, but today i get this: 9869: protocol negotiation failed, what is this?
[04:57] <melodie> Tuxicity: I'm on the partitionment phase on the laptop
[04:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> flames itll be windows
[04:57] <jojomillan_> dcraven: i have considered that. not quite how nvidia drivers should behave, though!
[04:57] <melodie> and started to explore the options
[04:57] <bet0x> http://www.dancepic.addr.com/Fun.htm <- very nice
[04:57] <flames> what is the solution?
[04:58] <dcraven> mustafa: did you find out the value of XkbLayout in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file?
[04:58] <Thorrn4> I have another question: what are "Warty Warthog" and "HOARY HEDGEHOG"?
[04:58] <Tuxicity> melodie, from Bugzilla "ntfstools-udeb added to Hoary, and I've confirmed that the Ubuntu installer can resize NTFS filesystems now."
[04:58] <melodie> :)
[04:58] <jojomillan_> Thorrn4: the names of the different releases
[04:59] <Thorrn4> butm what are they for?
[04:59] <melodie> Tuxicity: all the pb is to find what is the right option
[04:59] <jojomillan_> Thorrn4: to sound good i reckon!
[04:59] <melodie> do you have the link to give ?
[05:00] <Tuxicity> melodie, I wonder if you must be in "expert mode install"?
[05:00] <Ironfrost> Thorrn4: what are ME and XP? Same thing.
[05:00] <Thorrn4> what do they do?
[05:00] <dcraven> jojomillan_: did you edit your xorg.conf at all?
[05:00] <melodie> Tuxicity: I'm on manual partitionning mode
[05:00] <jojomillan_> dcraven: not manually. only swapped nv for nvidia
[05:00] <Ironfrost> Warty is the previous release; Hoary is the current one
[05:00] <Thorrn4> current what?!
[05:00] <melodie> which is probably the expert equivalent
[05:01] <timmow> melodie: i read a review that said the partitioner was confusing http://os.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=05/04/19/200205&from=rss
[05:01] <timmow> melodie: says it warns you that it will format partition, but actually just resizes it
[05:02] <melodie> timmow: ok I read that :)
[05:03] <Tuxicity> melodie, tu parles franais aussi?
[05:03] <melodie> Tuxicity: yes sir
[05:03] <dcraven> jojomillan_: can you put your xorg.conf in pastebin too?
[05:03] <melodie> :)
[05:03] <jojomillan_> dcraven: sure
[05:04] <melodie> Tuxicity: do you want to talk apart in french ?
[05:04] <dcraven> I wondered how long it would take before someone put the moves on melodie :)
[05:04] <GNAM> Tuxicity #ubuntu-fr
[05:04] <jojomillan_> dcraven: it appears a bit bloated to me       http://pastebin.com/275275
[05:05] <nikls> when opening gnome, it stops on openin "metacity" process, then don't complete openin gnome process. I reinstalled metacity and nautilus with no result, what can i do now?
[05:06] <dcraven> jojomillan_: it looks like the switch from "nv" to "nvidia" didn't take. It is still nv.
[05:06] <olorin> nikls: try 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure metacity'
[05:07] <jojomillan_> dcraven: yes, because that's what i'm running now. it crashes when i change to nvidia
[05:07] <dcraven> jojomillan_: ahh.
[05:07] <nikls> olorin: ok, i'll try then i'll tell you what happens
[05:07] <WildWires> Hi
[05:08] <olorin> WildWires: hi ;)
[05:08] <dcraven> jojomillan_: I kinda doubt this is the problem, but maybe you should double-check your refreshrates.. They look a tad low in there.
[05:09] <darkaudit> arggh... I opened a port with firestarter, but it insists on blocking it anyway... even after clicking on  'allow service for everyone'
[05:10] <sig> where does ubuntu put the codecs if I did apt-get install codecs?
[05:10] <WildWires> Can someone help me get a SoundBlaster Audigy 2 to work with Ubuntu.. btw.. I am new to chatting and not too savvy with protocals
[05:10] <nikls> olorin: when trying "dpkg-reconfigure metacity", i have that answer:enable to initialyze interface Gnome
[05:11] <jojomillan_> dcraven: can a programm test that for me?
[05:11] <dcraven> jojomillan_: why is "Load "dri"" commented out? (line 041 at http://pastebin.com/275275)
[05:11] <olorin> nikls: warty hoary ? upgrade ?
[05:11] <sig> w32codecs
[05:11] <nikls> olorin: hoary
[05:12] <jojomillan_> dcraven: because the readme on nvidia.com told me so!
[05:12] <dcraven> jojomillan_: the install is supposed to auto-detect that stuff, but sometimes fails in which case it uses low (safe) defaults. You can typically find the refresh rates for your monitor online or in your manual.
[05:12] <olorin> try reinstall ubuntu-desktop
[05:13] <dcraven> jojomillan_: Okay, I've never used that readme. I'm just looking at the xorg.conf on my desktop which also has an nvidia. I don't have that commented out.
[05:13] <jojomillan_> dcraven: okay. worth a try i guess
[05:13] <nikls> olorin: It's also written " (DISPLAY problem?) "  and " use interface Dialog instead"
[05:14] <MaxeyPad> for some reason the w32codecs package is gone
[05:14] <olorin> ok
[05:14] <olorin> nikls: wait a minute
[05:14] <nikls> olorin:
[05:14] <nikls> ok
[05:14] <olorin> nikls: sudo dpkg-reconfigure debconf
[05:14] <olorin> and choose dialog
[05:14] <nikls> olorin: ok
[05:15] <dcraven> jojomillan_: let me know how it goes.. I'm curious.
[05:15] <MaxeyPad> for whatever reason the w32codecs package is not available via apt anymore.  I was running warty and I was able to get it.  now i'm running hoary and the package appears to have disappeared.  when I run apt there are references to the package, but the actual package is unavailable
[05:15] <jojomillan_> dcraven: okay, just looking up the refresh rates
[05:16] <dcraven> jojomillan_: cool.
[05:16] <nikls> olorin: done, what's next, 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure metacity'?
[05:16] <ManLord> I just installed the w32codecs packages
[05:16] <olorin> nikls: yes retry
[05:17] <nikls> olorin: ok
[05:17] <dcraven> MaxeyPad: maybe they are in the marillat repository?
[05:17] <nikls> olorin: I have the same error message
[05:17] <olorin> nikls: with the ' use dialog instead ' ?
[05:18] <jojomillan_> dcraven: here goes nothing :-)
[05:18] <nikls> olorin: debconf: Utilisation de l'interface Dialog  la place
[05:18] <nikls> olorin: it's french
[05:19] <olorin> nikls: yes like me :d
[05:19] <nikls> olorin: otu es franais?
[05:19] <olorin> nikls: Belge
[05:19] <nikls> olorin: parfait
[05:19] <olorin> nikls: lol
[05:19] <dcraven> Je ne parle pas Francais.
[05:19] <dcraven> Is that right?
[05:20] <dcraven> Close?
[05:20] <nikls> right
[05:20] <dcraven> :)
[05:20] <MaxeyPad> yes they were in the marillat repository.  i had it disabled because it was down for a little while
[05:20] <nikls> nobody's perfect :)
[05:21] <dcraven> MaxeyPad: so you found them again? I suggest commenting that repository once you have what you need from it.
[05:21] <cusco> thanks Tuxicity and smouche
[05:21] <Tuxicity> cusco, np
[05:21] <dcraven> I wish I was bilingual.
[05:21] <jojomillan_> dcraven: same issue i'm afraid
[05:22] <dcraven> jojomillan_: crud.
[05:22] <jojomillan_> dcraven: looks better on a higher refresh rate mind you!
[05:22] <melodie> dcraven: you can learn
[05:22] <dcraven> jojomillan_: I bet it does.. hehe
[05:22] <jeroen_> hello
[05:22] <dcraven> melodie: true
[05:22] <cusco> Tuxicity: sory, there is no such package gtranscode... from any special repository?
[05:22] <andrewski> can anyone access www.ubuntuguide.org?  it's not connecting for me....
[05:22] <melodie> :)
[05:22] <dcraven> andrewski: lose the www part.
[05:23] <andrewski> dcraven: i'm just connecting from the forums; it added the www.
[05:23] <Ironfrost> dcraven: http://ubuntuguide.org isn't working for me
[05:23] <jojomillan_> dcraven: i noticed that the server can't load a symbol called libdri.a
[05:23] <St0n3-C0l> doesn't matter dcraven
[05:23] <dcraven> St0n3-C0l: ahh.
[05:24] <dcraven> It just died. I was there a minute ago.
[05:24] <serfurj> is there a way to get a description summary of a package with apt-get or related tools?
[05:24] <Tuxicity> cusco, from the multiverse repo
[05:24] <trygvebw> serfurj: sudo apt-cache show package
[05:24] <dcraven> jojomillan_: I suppose that is why they tell you to comment that out eh? hehe
[05:24] <LinuxJones> serfurj, apt-cache show packagename
[05:24] <dcraven> jojomillan_: I'll check my logs just out of curiousity.
[05:24] <jojomillan_> dcraven: all of a sudden, it makes sense !!
[05:24] <Ironfrost> serfurj - Synaptic gives you a description, and that links into the same thing as apt-get
[05:24] <serfurj> trygvebw: LinuxJones: thanks
[05:25] <nullset> Hi all
[05:25] <andrewski> Ironfrost: not working for you either?
[05:25] <jiyuu0> i hope i din burst ubuntuguide.org bandwidth quota
[05:25] <Ironfrost> andrewski: nope
[05:25] <LinuxJones> jiyuu0, sudo apt-get install ubuntu-faqguide to download it to your computer
[05:26] <nullset> ubuntu-faqguide??
[05:26] <Ironfrost> http://66.102.9.104/search?q=cache:oCNVrC8mgQ8J:ubuntuguide.org/+ubuntuguide&hl=en is the google cache if you need anything from it
[05:26] <dcraven> jojomillan_: hmmm.. Mine loaded that module from /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libdir.a
[05:26] <LinuxJones> nullset, it's the ubuntuguide.org site that's been packaged
[05:26] <smouche> it's not loading for me either.
[05:26] <dcraven> jojomillan_: Keep in mind that I used a different install method. I got the installer from nvidia.
[05:26] <jiyuu0> LinuxJones, is it the sam everseion
[05:26] <jojomillan_> dcraven: great, now i', really confused
[05:27] <jojomillan_> dcraven: the installer doesn't work for me. i've tried
[05:27] <whiteknight> jojomillan_, are you installing the nvidia driver?
[05:27] <jiyuu0> i'll check with the hosting company later... c y it's down
[05:27] <LinuxJones> jiyuu0, it's Version: 0.2-1
[05:27] <jojomillan_> dcraven: i took the one from the ubuntu repos
[05:28] <ironwolf> anyone using gtkpod? if so, how do I tell it to only update certain playlists?
[05:28] <ironwolf> by update, I mean transfer to the ipod.
[05:28] <zxc> how do I change the gdm login screen I got these instructions (1. Computer -> System Configuration -> Login Screen Setup) but I can't find "Computer"
[05:28] <LinuxJones> zxc, sudo gdm-setup
[05:29] <webtoe> zxc: you need to go to system -> administration -> login screen
[05:29] <webtoe> system is at the top of the screen
[05:29] <zxc> thanks webtoe
[05:30] <nullset> I can listen a music in my computer,however I can't listen sound on flash movie in mozilla-web broswer.
[05:30] <nullset> Do you know why it it?
[05:31] <nullset> I think I had better compile new kernel.....
[05:31] <sig> nullset: did you get the plugin from ubuntuguide.org ?
[05:32] <nullset> no
[05:32] <nullset> what is the plugin?
[05:32] <sig> thats probably your problem
[05:32] <sig> let me get you the link
[05:32] <nullset> really?
[05:32] <sig> it works flawlessly on my comp
[05:32] <nullset> flashmovie??
[05:32] <sig> apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla
[05:33] <dcraven> jojomillan_: have you run "nvidia-glx-config enable"? I don't remember doing that.. But again, different install method.
[05:33] <nullset> thx
[05:33] <nullset> I will try.
[05:33] <sig> once it is installed open a new browser and let me know if it works
[05:34] <Jmax1632> does ubuntu come with X11?
[05:34] <bpuccio> nullset: for what it's worth, I'm having the same problem on my girlfriend's computer, she doesn't get sound in firefox-flash, but I do, neither one of us have it installed the ubuntu way, rather, we just used firefox's built in plugin installer, however, I'm going to try the ubuntu way on hers tonight to see if it works
[05:34] <St0n3-C0l> sig: u said did you get the plugin from ubuntuguide.org
[05:34] <St0n3-C0l> lol
[05:34] <St0n3-C0l> sig: they're not providing plugins...just guiding u
[05:34] <sig> St0n3-C0l: I meant the readme
[05:34] <jojomillan_> dcraven: no, all that script does is change nv to nvidia i think. i used to have the official nvidia drivers working. till i updated to hoary. now the installer can't find the right kernel source, although it is there.
[05:34] <dcraven> Jmax1632: yes
[05:34] <sig> thanks but I need no guidance from you
[05:34] <Jmax1632> dcraven: thanks
[05:34] <St0n3-C0l> lol
[05:35] <nullset> It doesn't sound...-0-
[05:35] <sig> is your volume turned up?
[05:35] <nullset> yeah...
[05:35] <sig> did you open a new browser?
[05:35] <St0n3-C0l> sometimes...flash movies hangs when their sound is enabled :P
[05:35] <dcraven> jojomillan_: hmmm... You have a kernel-source-2.6.10-5-386/ in your /usr/src directory?
[05:35] <sig> also did you remove the old flash plugin that you installed ?
[05:36] <jojomillan_> dcraven: linux-source-2.6.10 is the name of the folder
[05:36] <nullset> I should do the kernel compile... ^^
[05:36] <serfurj> why does "apt-get install emacs21-nox" say there are no candidates, when there should be?  http://packages.ubuntu.com/hoary/editors/emacs21-nox
[05:36] <dcraven> jojomillan_: something tells me I had to rename the linux-source dir to kernel-source to make the installer happy. I also created a /usr/src/linux symlink to the kernel source dir just for fun.
[05:36] <nullset> I think it is better...
[05:37] <jojomillan_> dcraven, yeah i've got the symlink too
[05:37] <sig> I think not nullset but go ahead
[05:37] <sig> nullset: you didn't remove the old plugin before you installed the new one correct?
[05:37] <Hoxzer> how do I change resolution? :/
[05:37] <jojomillan_> i'm running the 2.6.10-5-k7 kernel though... shouldnt matter i think
[05:37] <nullset> ok I remeber...
[05:38] <nullset> It was very interesting to compile kernel...
[05:38] <nullset> thx all ^^
[05:38] <nullset> exit
[05:38] <dcraven> jojomillan_: try making a symlink to that dir called kernel-source-2.6.10-5-k7 that points to the dir. It probably does matter because the installer might look at 'uname -r' for your running kernel.
[05:38] <Jmax1632> does ubuntu use grub, or lilo?
[05:38] <Myrtti> grub
[05:39] <Jmax1632> ok
[05:39] <Jmax1632> how do you change TTY resolution?
[05:39] <jiyuu0> ubuntuguide.org is up
[05:39] <Kartagis> why does apt-get have to remove libqt3-dev when getting KDE?
[05:39] <serfurj> ah ha, needed to enable universe repository
[05:39] <Jmax1632> jiyuu0: sorry, i'm actually trying to help out a linux n00b.
[05:39] <dcraven> Kartagis: is it replacing it with the multithreaded version?
[05:40] <jojomillan_> dcraven: http://pastebin.com/275284
[05:40] <bpuccio> jiyuu0: is mirroring needed for the guide?
[05:40] <Kartagis> dunno
[05:40] <jiyuu0> bpuccio, maybe not for now...
[05:40] <bpuccio> jiyuu0: ok
[05:41] <jiyuu0> i'm thinkin to change to a diff hosting server
[05:41] <jojomillan_> dcraven: would downloading the source from kernel.org be any help, do you think?
[05:42] <Jmax1632> mmm\
[05:42] <dcraven> jojomillan_: not likely.
[05:42] <Jmax1632> sorry, Hoxzer , i have other things to do
[05:42] <whiteknight> jojomillan_, could i help?
[05:42] <Hoxzer> umm...
[05:42] <bpuccio> jiyuu0: ok, I have plenty of bandwidth, I have a server and host a few sites for people, it's sort of a webhost co-op, so let me know if you need anything
[05:42] <SirFunk> hey, what software do you guys use to rip CD's?
[05:43] <dcraven> jojomillan_: did you point it towards /usr/src/linux yourself or did it assume the sources were there?
[05:43] <bpuccio> SirFunk: I use gnomebaker (in universe I think)
[05:43] <SirFunk> hmm.. i'm using grip.. but it's SLOW
[05:43] <SirFunk> my cd drive is idk like 52x and grip is going at like 2x
[05:43] <dcraven> jojomillan_: ahh.. It says not specified.
[05:44] <larsrohdin> Tuxicity, you here?
[05:44] <Tuxicity> larsrohdin, ya, kind of busy, still struggling with video and all...
[05:44] <bpuccio> SirFunk: ah, I thought you meant rip to an ISO, sorry for the mixup.... have you enabled DMA?
[05:44] <Raskall> how do I check the version of a kernel module?
[05:44] <SirFunk> bpuccio: oh, heh, i think, let me check
[05:44] <larsrohdin> Tuxicity, ok... im no good at this IRC-business, how can i send a private message to you?
[05:45] <Hoxzer> so how can I change resolution in ubuntu couse that don't cover even the whole screen
[05:45] <Hoxzer> it looks realy annoying
[05:45] <dcraven> larsrohdin: /msg whoever
[05:45] <larsrohdin> dcraven, ok thx
[05:45] <cusco> Tuxicity: sory I wasn't here... look to istall gtranscode I need transcode...
[05:45] <cusco> Tuxicity: E: Package transcode has no installation candidate
[05:46] <bpuccio> Hoxzer: system -> prefs -> screen resolution
[05:46] <jazzka> when I compile some programs, I get this: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH
[05:46] <Ironfrost> Hoxzer - System  >Preferences > Screen Resolution
[05:46] <Ironfrost> bah
[05:46] <Tuxicity> cusco, in multiverse repo
[05:46] <Ironfrost> what bpuccio said
[05:46] <jazzka> which line may I edit?
[05:46] <cusco> Tuxicity: I just added the multiverse
[05:46] <cusco> Tuxicity: gtranscode is available but transcode istn't
[05:46] <kanuha> simple question, I hope. How do I make the Kmenu transparent? I made the taskbar transparent, but don't see an option to make the menu transparent. I thought I had done this before.
[05:47] <SirFunk> bpuccio: it was off, but now it's on and it's going almost as slow
[05:47] <Hoxzer> Iron: I tryed that I can change it bigger :/
[05:47] <Hoxzer> when the win98 was installed it was 1024*768
[05:47] <jojomillan_> dcraven: i pointed it myself
[05:47] <Tuxicity> cusco, transcode seems to be in main repos...
[05:47] <jojomillan_> dcraven: i just don't get it
[05:47] <bpuccio> SirFunk: I'm sorry, I can't help any more, that's all I know of to speed up optical drives, sorry :(
[05:47] <cusco> Tuxicity: The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[05:47] <cusco>   gtranscode: Depends: transcode but it is not installable
[05:47] <Ironfrost> Hoxzer - why, what are the available options now?
[05:48] <SirFunk> nuts
[05:48] <SirFunk> thanks though
[05:48] <whiteknight> jojomillan_, sorry can you explain your problem again, cause i might be able to help
[05:48] <jojomillan_> whiteknight: any help is apreciated!
[05:48] <Tuxicity> cusco, hmm
[05:48] <dcraven> jojomillan_: rename the linux-source-whatever to kernel-source-whatever... Then don't specify a source location when you try the installer.
[05:48] <Hoxzer> Iron: dunno why, but avaible options are 640x480 and 800x600
[05:48] <Hoxzer> :/
[05:48] <jojomillan_> whiteknight: problem is, after ages of trying i can't get any form of nvidia drivers working
[05:49] <cusco> whats wrong?
[05:49] <dcraven> jojomillan_: but first, see if whiteknight has any ideas :)
[05:49] <eskaypey> hey how do you stop loading x on boot up
[05:49] <jojomillan_> dcraven: absolutely
[05:49] <whiteknight> jojomillan_, are you using the nvidia installer?
[05:49] <dcraven> whiteknight: this is his log --> http://pastebin.com/275266
[05:49] <jojomillan_> whiteknight: i've tried
[05:49] <dcraven> whiteknight: he has used the debs from the Ubuntu repo I think.
[05:50] <whiteknight> jojomillan_, i recommend concentrating on the nvidia installer
[05:50] <cusco> Tuxicity: it is on marilatt... im installing it from there...
[05:50] <dcraven> whiteknight: I don't see the obvious issue in that log.
[05:50] <jojomillan_> whitenight: me neither
[05:50] <Ironfrost> Hoxzer - if you edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[05:50] <Ironfrost> you can add to the list of available screen resolutions
[05:50] <dcraven> whiteknight: that was the direction we were headed now :)
[05:50] <jojomillan_> dcraven: still got the link to my xorg. output?
[05:50] <webtoe> eskaypey: you need to change the run level. usually changed in /etc/inittab
[05:50] <dcraven> jojomillan_: this? --> http://pastebin.com/275275
[05:51] <drac> My friend is having troubles disabling framebuffering from kernel. I told him to add video=vesafb:off to # kopt in menu.lst, but it still fscking loads! I'd like to know how exactly you disable it from Ubuntu, is there some special way to do it?
[05:51] <Ironfrost> Hoxzer - go to SubSection "Display" in your xorg.conf
[05:51] <Tuxicity> cusco, cool
[05:51] <jojomillan_> dcraven: yes
[05:51] <topyli> webtoe: that's not the debian way. debian always boots to init 2
[05:51] <whiteknight> jojomillan_, is the nvidia kernel module loaded?
[05:51] <Ironfrost> Hoxzer - and add the resolution you want after 'modes' (there is a list)
[05:51] <jojomillan_> whiteknight: yes
[05:51] <whiteknight> jojomillan_, lsmod|grep nvidia
[05:52] <drac> Or is people using ubuntu kernels, forced to vesafb?!
[05:52] <dcraven> Ironfrost: there is a wiki page that has what you are talking about too I think --> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[05:52] <whiteknight> jojomillan_, so, from the error log GLX is causing X to fail to start, what happens if you comment out GLX
[05:52] <jojomillan_> whiteknight: the module is from the repos - not the installer
[05:52] <topyli> eskaypey: you need to get rid of the gdm symlink in /etc/rc2.d
[05:52] <topyli> eskaypey: use update-rc.d
[05:52] <larsrohdin> Tuxicity, i had Tabs=hidden =)
[05:52] <jojomillan_> whiteknight: i'll try. give me two mins
[05:53] <cusco> Tuxicity: thanks
[05:53] <Tuxicity> larsrohdin, oh i knew something was wrong lol
[05:53] <drac> D'oh, i'll take silency as yes.
[05:53] <drac> :/
[05:53] <Tuxicity> cusco, np
[05:53] <larsrohdin> Tuxicity, but how do i get a new tab like you just did?
[05:53] <bet0x> how i can search for a String on a file and replace them
[05:53] <webtoe> use sed
[05:54] <dcraven> bet0x: sed
[05:54] <eskaypey> what gdm symlink looks like?
[05:54] <topyli> drac: personally, i had to enable the framebuffer separately. ubuntu doesn't use it by default
[05:54] <bet0x> bi want to change "Code version 2.1.2" to "Code version 2.1.7-a"
[05:55] <jojomillan_> whiteknight == personal hero. the drivers are actually running
[05:55] <drac> topyli: Apparently 2.6.10-5-686-smp uses ..
[05:55] <drac> He never loaded it, and now it's fucking his X.
[05:55] <topyli> vga=normal should do it
[05:55] <drac> Hmm.
[05:55] <whiteknight> jojomillan_, no worries, though one question, is this your xorg config? http://pastebin.com/275275
[05:55] <bet0x> any have a example
[05:55] <bet0x> ?
[05:56] <jojomillan_> whiteknight: yes it was. changed a bit now
[05:56] <topyli> eskaypey: you don't care, because you should leave it to update-rc.d
[05:56] <whiteknight> jojomillan_, do you mind posting up your new config, there are a few tweaks probably necessary :)
[05:56] <topyli> eskaypey: i forget the command, look it up in the update-rc.d man page
[05:57] <jojomillan_> whiteknight: with pleasure
[05:57] <jojomillan_> whiteknight: http://pastebin.com/275290
[05:58] <drac> jojomillan_: I'm not sure what are you talking about, but remove following modules from xorg.conf to get better performancy with your nvidia card: bitmap, GLcore, ddc, vbe, int10, record. They are slowing the drivers down. Also, change ImPS/2 to ExplorerPS/2 and your mouse moves lot smoother.
[05:58] <dcraven> bet0x: sed -e "s/searchword/replaceword/" filename >> filename.temp
[05:58] <drac> jojomillan_: Changing those, will increase your FPS.
[05:58] <bet0x> ok
[05:58] <whiteknight> jojomillan_, firstly you want to comment out dri, both in the Module section and the DRI section at the end
[05:59] <whiteknight> jojomillan_, nvidia drivers don't (i seem to remember) use dri
[05:59] <dcraven> bet0x: that will create a new file called filename.temp with the changes you want... Check it first, and backup your original in case something goes wrong.
[05:59] <drac> jojomillan_: Indeed, get rid of dri too.
[06:00] <jojomillan_> okay....
[06:00] <drac> topyli: Anyway, thanks for the tip, i'll tell him to try it.
[06:01] <bet0x> dcraven, and how i do with dirs and subdirs
[06:01] <jojomillan_> drac: i doubt i have 3d-acceleration, as i commented glx out. what can i do about that?
[06:01] <ManLord> how to start Kate as root? i try sudo kate but it doesn't launch.. and i cant even launch it later
[06:01] <topyli> eskaypey: basename is gdm in this case
[06:01] <eskaypey> update-rc.d --force <basename> remove what is the basename?
[06:02] <topyli> why force?
[06:02] <eskaypey> or not really?
[06:02] <eskaypey> or nothing?
[06:02] <cusco> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[06:02] <cusco>   libavcodeccvs: Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21) but 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13 is to be installed
[06:02] <cusco>                  Depends: libpostproc0 (>= 2:20050417-0.0) but it is not going to be installed
[06:02] <cusco> E: Broken packages
[06:02] <jojomillan_> whiteknight: glxgears doesn't work now of course. but i'm still a lot happier than earlier on!
[06:02] <whiteknight> jojomillan_, try and uncomment glx, and see what happens...
[06:02] <cusco> what do I do?
[06:03] <topyli> eskaypey: i'd say update-rc.d remove gdm i guess
[06:03] <eskaypey> k i'll try that
[06:03] <topyli> you read the man page, i didn't :)
[06:04] <maylar> i gotta say ubuntu was the only distro to get my nic working before a full install. (useing an older Dell D233ST lappy) just have one problem if anyone thinks they can help
[06:05] <jojomillan_> whiteknight: uncommenting glx does the following: http://pastebin.com/275292
[06:05] <nikls> olorin; did not work
[06:06] <whiteknight> jojomillan_, what debs did you install?
[06:06] <olorin> nikls: ahhh :(
[06:06] <kanuha> ManLord, I just use kedit
[06:07] <kanuha> I had the same prpblem
[06:07] <jojomillan_> whiteknight: nvidia-glx; nvidia-kernel-common; nvidia-settings
[06:08] <kanuha> simple question, I hope. How do I make the Kmenu transparent? I made the taskbar transparent, but don't see an option to make the menu transparent. I thought I had done this before.
[06:09] <iSteve> Greetings ... I've been told that during installation, Ubuntu checks out for installed systems and prepares proper menu for grub ... I wonder, how? How does it check what is there? Where can I find sources for this rather remarkable feature?
[06:09] <dcraven> bet0x: something like this might work --> "for i in `find ./mydir -type f`; do sed -e "s/searchword/replaceword/" $i >> ${i}.temp; done"
[06:09] <dcraven> bet0x: I'd test it first, and there are probably other ways.
[06:10] <vince_> can anyone give me a hand?  i'm trying to compile something on ubuntu, and it keeps erroring out at the same place though i'm not sure what i'm missing
[06:10] <whiteknight> jojomillan_, is your card pci or agp?
[06:10] <vince_> checking for MD5 in -lcrypto... no
[06:10] <vince_> configure: error: libCrypto is required by tmsnc
[06:11] <jojomillan_> whiteknight: agp. geforce fx
[06:11] <webtoe> vince_: have you got libcrpto installed?
[06:11] <vince_> i have both the libcrypto++ and openssl libraries installed (which has libcrypto)
[06:11] <whiteknight> jojomillan_, is agp module loaded?
[06:11] <jojomillan_> whiteknight: nvidia_agp and agpgart are loaded, yes
[06:12] <vince_> webtoe, in /usr/lib, i have libcrypto.so.0.9.7
[06:12] <webtoe> you need to install the libcrypto-dev pacakage as well
[06:12] <abiertos> hello it's me again
[06:12] <whiteknight> jojomillan_, then i'm not sure why glx isn't working
[06:12] <abiertos> Lunitik help me!
[06:12] <webtoe> vince_, then it will work
[06:12] <jojomillan_> whiteknight: me neither :-)
[06:12] <abiertos> Linux Jones
[06:12] <webtoe> vince_, sorry libcrypto++-dev
[06:12] <vince_> webtoe, but it doesn't for some strange reason
[06:12] <vince_> yup, have the dev installed too
[06:13] <abiertos> I tried to recovery my root password
[06:13] <abiertos> but I failed
[06:13] <webtoe> vince_: well the only thing i can suggest then if you're sure its installed is to try and specify to the configure script of the program your compiling where the library is
[06:13] <Hoxzer> how can I lock In as a root in gnome?
[06:13] <abiertos> I need help
[06:14] <resiak> Hoxzer: Don't.
[06:14] <webtoe> vince_: you could try running /sbin/ldconfig but i assume the package installation would run that
[06:14] <whiteknight> jojomillan_, i have a strange idea, try default depth as 16 with glx uncommented
[06:14] <Hoxzer> I need to be able to edit that conf file
[06:14] <resiak> Hoxzer: So run your text editor with sudo
[06:14] <graw> Need help: windows ntfs partition can only be accessed via shell but not from the graphical interface
[06:14] <vince_> webtoe, yeah, i ran the ldconfig too thinking it might be the problem.. i just created a symbolic link from libcrypto.so.0.9.7 to libcrypto.so to see if that will work, hang on
[06:15] <jojomillan_> whiteknight: not a bad idea. brb
[06:15] <resiak> Hoxzer: Don't /msg me
[06:15] <abiertos> I need help, I want to recovery my root password
[06:15] <resiak> Hoxzer: IIRC, you can right-click a file in Nautilus and say "edit as root". I may be wrong, though. Alternatively, Alt-F2, sudo gedit
[06:15] <resiak> abiertos: Remember me?
[06:15] <abiertos> yes
[06:15] <resiak> abiertos: What went wrong?
[06:16] <abiertos> I did that you told me
[06:16] <abiertos> but there's a problem
[06:16] <vince_> webtoe, well, that worked, but now it's stopping at openssl, which I do have installed.. dammit :(
[06:16] <abiertos> I logged like a root
[06:17] <jojomillan> whiteknight: no good :-(
[06:17] <abiertos> but I can to change the root password
[06:17] <dws> newbie question: i just did a default install of hoary hedgehog. was is supposed to give me the option of changing the root password? or is that something that i only get by installed a server?
[06:17] <graw> Need help: windows ntfs partition can only be accessed via shell but not from the graphical interface
[06:17] <whiteknight> jojomillan, then sorry, the only option is to install the driver via the nvidia installer
[06:17] <abiertos> there are modules that no load when you use init=/bin/sh
[06:17] <Raskall> hmm.. are there any know problems with nfs over wlan? When I copy files over nfs the machine hangs a lot of processes, but over samba it works just fine.
[06:17] <jojomillan> whiteknight: no matter. you were a great help-. thanks
[06:17] <whiteknight> jojomillan, i don't personally have a nvidia, i run ubuntu on an ibook with a ati card ::)
[06:17] <jago25_98> Guys I hope you can help me because I can't use anything other than xchat. All my partitions on my IDE drive are listed as 0 bytes left by df and yet the space used is smaller than the overall space! fsck -pa didn't help!
[06:17] <resiak> abiertos: What went wrong?
[06:18] <abiertos> you can login like a root with that way
[06:18] <jojomillan> whiteknight: i'm not a fan of ati myself. and i can't afford an ibook!
[06:18] <graw> dws: you can by doing:     sudo passwd root      than entering your own password
[06:18] <resiak> abiertos: What's so hard about prefixing what you say with my name? I'll be less likely to wander off without helping you if you do.
[06:18] <whiteknight> jojomillan, yeah but there aren't any good drivers for ati cards on ppc
[06:18] <abiertos> but all files just have read permission
[06:18] <dws> graw: thanks
[06:18] <whiteknight> jojomillan, good luck though
[06:18] <abiertos> I can't do nothing
[06:19] <jojomillan> whiteknight: cheers
[06:19] <resiak> abiertos: So you do what I said and remount your root filesystem read-write. mount -o remount,rw /
[06:19] <hans_> i have gaim instant messenger started with msn protocol but i cant receive live webcam from my buddies. isnt that supported in ubuntu?
[06:19] <FR500> hello
[06:19] <resiak> hans_: The short answer is "no".
[06:19] <FR500> is it complicated to make the console look like the one in gentoo livecd? with the nifty background and everything
[06:19] <abiertos> ok
[06:20] <resiak> abiertos: Please, _please_, start things you say to me with "resiak: ".
[06:20] <dws> graw: except that passwd wants the current root passwd, which install didn't give me
[06:20] <hans_> is there another program to receive live webcam from buddies
[06:20] <resiak> hans_: gaim-vv, but it doesn't work yet.
[06:20] <abiertos> what?
[06:20] <graw> dws: No it asks you for your OWN password.
[06:21] <XplOzIon> how can i remove the orphan packages?
[06:21] <dws> graw: d'oh. thanks again.
[06:22] <graw> graw: type " sudo passwd root" Then it asks  for your OWN password
[06:22] <graw> dws: type " sudo passwd root" Then it asks  for your OWN password
[06:23] <resiak> abiertos: Please don't /msg me. Talk to me in here.
[06:23] <abiertos> ok
[06:23] <jojomillan> whiteknight: does an xdpyinfo show any sign of GLX on your box?
[06:23] <abiertos> tell me what can I do
[06:23] <graw> NEED HELP: windows ntfs partition can only be accessed via shell but not from the graphical interface
[06:23] <malte`> how do i start esd on xfce's startup?
[06:24] <abiertos> that way just let you manage the files in  read only mode
[06:24] <whiteknight> jojomillan, yup, why
[06:24] <whiteknight> ?
[06:24] <Hoxzer> Resiak?
[06:24] <resiak> abiertos: Firstly, prefix what you say to me on IRC with "resiak: " like I prefix talking to you with "abiertos: ". Secondly, read what I tell you.
[06:24] <resiak> Hoxzer: Yes?
[06:24] <abiertos> ok
[06:24] <Hoxzer> so how do I open that Nautilus?
[06:24] <resiak> abiertos: Once you have used init=/bin/sh and you get a root shell, things are read-only. So you run mount -o remount,rw / to remount your root partition read-write. Then you can use passwd to change the password.
[06:25] <jojomillan> whiteknight: i have NV-GLX which isn't enough according to nvidia. my guess is, that a symlink or file is missing on my machine
[06:25] <abiertos> if my root partition is hda1 I have to put
[06:25] <jojomillan> whiteknight: probably libglx.so
[06:26] <resiak> abiertos: You put _exactly_ what I just said.
[06:26] <abiertos> resiak: mount -o remount,rw /dev/hda1?
[06:26] <resiak> abiertos: You could, or you can write mount -o remount,rw /
[06:26] <whiteknight> jojomillan, yes, you will have a different version perhaps, nvidia stick their own in the doc file for some reason
[06:26] <whiteknight> jojomillan, something like, /usr/doc/nvidia-glx
[06:27] <Hoxzer> soo.... hoow?
[06:27] <abiertos> ok
[06:27] <whiteknight> jojomillan, this is all from memory when i use to use the driver over a year ago but apart from that i can't remember
[06:27] <resiak> abiertos: Oh, and thanks for the prefix :)
[06:27] <dockane> is there a good printing dialogue i can install for x?  i don't like no one of the offered: gimp, xpdf, OOo. all are different but nothing does it job as i expect
[06:27] <abiertos> resiak: please forgive me! :P
[06:28] <resiak> abiertos: S'cool.
[06:28] <abiertos> resiak: bye
[06:28] <jojomillan> whiteknight: looks like i'm missing a file. no solution found though  http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-7906.html
[06:28] <abiertos> resiak:I'll try the new tech
[06:29] <BurgerMann> lo :)
[06:29] <whiteknight> jojomillan, use the nvidia installer
[06:29] <hans_> bye @ all
[06:29] <whiteknight> jojomillan, i think it'll solve a lot of problems
[06:29] <IIIEars> Hello! - Help! my root partition is shown mounted as an ordinary disk on the desktop after installing samba - how do i fix this?
[06:29] <BurgerMann> how do I browse a network computer :?
[06:29] <olorin> nikls: so ?
[06:29] <Kartagis> how can I skip already installed packages with apt-get?
[06:29] <bet0x> how i can play quicktime trailers on mozilla?
[06:30] <IIIEars> Burgermon - on a local windows network?
[06:30] <BurgerMann> lol
[06:30] <BurgerMann> lots of Qs
[06:30] <XplOzIon> how can i remove the orphan packages?
[06:30] <BurgerMann> IIIEars,  nah two linux machines, both with kde desktop environment
[06:31] <ManLord> PROBLEM: can't get translucency to work | Can anyone help? | Please?
[06:31] <kingsley> Where's a version of fdisk that will put a Windows 98 compatible partition a 165GB hard drive?
[06:31] <sig> XplOzIon: next time you remove a package and want orphan packages that are depended by that certain package do: apt-get remove --purge packagename
[06:31] <IIIEars> norris_, just swap and root - i am a bit worried.
[06:31] <bad_mongo> How do I make other machines see this ubuntu machine, using samba?
[06:31] <XplOzIon> sig, is ther a way to remove all of em at once?
[06:32] <sig> XplOzIon: with that command
[06:32] <sig> XplOzIon: what are you trying to remove?
[06:32] <Delph> sig: ooh, purge does orphan packages as well? I thought it just did config files.
[06:32] <djm62> bad_mongo: System->Administration->Shared Folders
[06:32] <sig> Delph: you may be right, I'm looking at man apt now
[06:33] <membreya> what's the command to create a system user? such as FTP ?
[06:33] <djm62> aptitude manages orphans better, IIRC
[06:33] <sig> http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-apt-get.en.html  3.3 Removing pakcages
[06:33] <bad_mongo> djm62, I have added some folder there, but others can't see them
[06:33] <XplOzIon> sig, thanks
[06:33] <djm62> bad_mongo: are you using the same "workgroup name"?
[06:34] <IIIEars> bad_mongo - there is a decent explanation in the ubuntu forums - tho - you might end up where i am now your root parttion is shown mounted on the desk - I am guessing that this _ISN'T- supposed to happen - loll
[06:34] <djm62> bad_mongo: typically MSHOME
[06:34] <Delph> sig: not very helpful, is it?
[06:34] <Delph> --purge -- instead of removing, packages are purged.... BUT WHAT IS PURGING???!!11111oneoneone
[06:34] <resiak> Delph: Hi.
[06:34] <Delph> ah, but dpkg has it.
[06:34] <Delph> resiak: hihi =:0
[06:35] <sig> Delph: it is
[06:35] <bad_mongo> djm62, I use mshome.. but should I use WINS server?
[06:35] <sig> 3.6 Removing unused package files: apt-get clean and autoclean
[06:35] <IIIEars> purgeing is what you do after a "binge" of package installations? - grin
[06:36] <sig> IIIEars: hah
[06:36] <djm62> bad_mongo: unsure...
[06:36] <dockane> is there any recommandation for a good printing/preview dialogue ? i am looking for somehting like the acrobat reader for window$ offers where i can add an option like " do not touch the page format" for printing pdfs
[06:36] <sig> dockane: acroread-plugin
[06:36] <sig> http://ubuntuguide.org/#acroread
[06:36] <sig> works well for me
[06:36] <sig> sudo apt-get install acroread
[06:37] <sig> sudo apt-get install mozilla-acroread
[06:37] <dockane> sig, does not bring this option for printing like the win version
[06:37] <BurgerMann> harley luja
[06:37] <graw> Need help: windows ntfs partition can only be accessed via shell but not from the graphical interface
[06:37] <sig> dockane: print preview?
[06:37] <SeeleyUSMC> Anyone here use wine to work with programs installed on their windows partitions?
[06:37] <IIIEars> ah well - having my root partition shown as mounted on the desk makes me nervous. (my poor windows machines are nearly defenseless and anemic)
[06:37] <sig> SeeleyUSMC: what unit are you with?
[06:38] <SeeleyUSMC> sig: 3/7
[06:38] <dockane> sig, yes with "don't touch the page format" (<- poor translation from german)
[06:38] <sig> I was 1/5
[06:38] <sig> 0331
[06:38] <SeeleyUSMC> sig: me too :)
[06:38] <SeeleyUSMC> Oorah machineguns
[06:38] <] BreliC[> ahh, finally got tmsnc compiled and working
[06:38] <sig> nice
[06:39] <IIIEars> Another HUGE "THANK YOU" to the Ubuntu for their wonderful work! :)
[06:39] <SeeleyUSMC> sig: Ever been to leatherneck.com ?
[06:39] <sig> SeeleyUSMC: yes
[06:39] <FR500> is it complicated to make the console look like the one in gentoo livecd? with the nifty background and everything
[06:40] <IIIEars> SeeleyUSMC - I gave it a try - It always corrupted my display settings.
[06:41] <IIIEars> gentoo ugh! (pops two aspirin)
[06:42] <sig> FR500: linux is linux.... if gentoo can do it, it can be done in any other linux distro
[06:42] <drcoded> Hi all
[06:43] <topyli> FR500: dunno, but many livecds have nice consoles
[06:43] <IIIEars> (rexamines the possibility of being a Ubuntu zealot..) - lol
[06:43] <drcoded> any one can help me with shorewall?
[06:43] <drcoded> I dont know why I can't go to internet
[06:43] <doogies> hi all
[06:43] <drcoded> I did policy,zones.interfaces
[06:43] <drcoded> but still computer B can't get into the internet
[06:43] <IIIEars> drcoded, - what are you seeing?
[06:44] <wbeck81> you appear to be able to connect to irc
[06:44] <drcoded> I can ping to 10.0.100.5  but not outside
[06:44] <drcoded> for some how it dosnt forware the packges into internet
[06:45] <IIIEars> drcoded, - did you enable DNS for network sharing? - (dumb question i know you almost certainly have.)
[06:45] <jhaig> I'm having a problem with my keyboard and mouse in Gnome in 5.04.  I asked here a couple of days ago but got no answer, so I'm trying again.  Often (but not always) when I log into Gnome there appears to be a very fast auto-repeat on the keyboard and mouse.  When clicking on the menus I have to keep the button pressed or the menu disappears immediately and typing is impossible as several characters appear for each keypress.
[06:45] <drcoded> I have DHCP for internet
[06:45] <drcoded> DNS for network share
[06:45] <drcoded> I use the DNS of my ISP in computer B
[06:45] <FR500> drcoded, i don't know about shorewall, but firestarter is way to go
[06:45] <jhaig> This only happens with Gnome - I can log in with the failsafe terminal OK.  Any ideas?
[06:46] <FR500> drcoded, it's very easy
[06:46] <topyli> drcoded: i messed with shorewall for a wile back in the day. ended up configuring iptables with firestarter. took 2 minutes
[06:46] <djm62> jhaig: have you tried System->Preferences->Keyboard/Mouse ?
[06:46] <holycow> jhaig, have you tried a diferent kb maybe?
[06:46] <drcoded> firestater is easy then shoerwall?
[06:46] <FR500> drcoded, easier than windows ICS
[06:46] <IIIEars> drcoded, - the interface asks if you want to enable your machine as a gateway on the second interface and then you plug in  the other computers to the back of it.
[06:47] <FR500> drcoded, easier than zonealarm
[06:47] <jhaig> djm62: I've tried keyboard settings, but anyway it is a problem from a clean install and new user, so I doubt it is a settings problem.
[06:47] <topyli> drcoded: it's a wizard that asks you if you want to open something, if you want nat, if you want dhcp and that's it
[06:47] <jhaig> holycow: I haven't tried that, but I will do.
[06:47] <drcoded> I dont have gui  , console only
[06:47] <topyli> ah
[06:47] <djm62> jhaig: have you googled your keyboard in case it's a common problem?
[06:47] <holycow> jhaig, i know it's dumb, just hoping maybe that you didn't overlook in frustration, i know how it is
[06:48] <holycow> jhaig, i haven't seen this issue ever, and chances are no one else has either here since you didn't get an answer
[06:48] <IIIEars> << Firestarter for debian - shorewall is for resource stingy servers
[06:48] <serfurj> what does the "+" mean in ndiswrapper-source 0.12+1.0rc2-1?
[06:49] <djm62> O E M ubuntu
[06:50] <topyli> IIIEars: well, stingy servers are often debian :)
[06:50] <holycow> djm62, why, thats not a bad idea indeedy :)
[06:50] <holycow> haha
[06:50] <graw> can someone help me?
[06:50] <holycow> ya when hell freezes over
[06:50] <olorin> jhaig: did ou try to change your keyboard ?
[06:50] <iSteve> lol
[06:51] <iSteve> dells with preinstalled ubuntu or debian
[06:51] <LinuxJones> graw, what's wrong ?
[06:51] <iSteve> yea sure, and satan will be skating to work
[06:51] <holycow> iSteve, hehe, skating, thats a good one :)
[06:51] <iSteve> unfortunately not mine
[06:52] <Plexys> is there a GUI to manage running services on your system?
[06:53] <LinuxJones> Plexys, not at present
[06:53] <Plexys> ok thanks, linuxjones
[06:53] <holycow> Plexys, mostly because a: its trivial to do via command line
[06:53] <holycow> and b: you wouldn't gain anything from a gui
[06:53] <flodine> are backports need guys
[06:54] <LinuxJones> Plexys, you could probably install something like webmin to help out with basic stuff though I suspect
[06:54] <Plexys> okay, then how do i see all running services?
[06:54] <holycow> Plexys, sudo /etc/init.d/service start/stop/restart is easy enough
[06:54] <Plexys> i have that installed
[06:54] <Tuxicity> floater, no dont put the backports is your repos
[06:54] <LinuxJones> Plexys, ps -aux
[06:54] <flodine> do i need backport in my repository
[06:54] <flodine> thxs
[06:54] <LinuxJones> Plexys, you can use lsof -i or netstat to see network services running
[06:54] <Tuxicity> flodine, np
[06:54] <jhaig> New keyboard and still the same problem.
[06:55] <resiak> holycow: Is gnome-system-tools in Ubuntu?
[06:56] <holycow> resiak, yep
[06:56] <resiak> holycow: So there's your gui right there.
[06:56] <resiak> holycow: Oh, wait, it doesn't have a runlevel bit. Sorry :)
[06:56] <holycow> for services?
[06:56] <LinuxJones> resiak, it's not complete
[06:56] <membreya> who here has successfully establish anon FTP with wu-ftpd?
[06:56] <holycow> :)
[06:56] <abiertos> resiak: thanks a lot for help me
[06:56] <holycow> LinuxJones, thats an interesting point, gst would be the right place for it *hmmm*
[06:56] <resiak> abiertos: Did you win?
[06:56] <graw> LinuxJones : windows ntfs partition can only be accessed via shell but not from the graphical interface
[06:57] <abiertos> resiak:finally I can enjoy the pleasure to be run
[06:57] <resiak> abiertos: \o/
[06:57] <LinuxJones> graw, have you checked out www.ubuntuguide.org ?
[06:57] <abiertos> resiak:to be root
[06:57] <abiertos> resiak: I'm not won
[06:58] <abiertos> resiak: you won, thanks a lot
[06:58] <resiak> abiertos: Hey, whatever. I learnt how to do that on IRC too :-)
[06:58] <LinuxJones> holycow, they are going to write a Graphical Services manager for the Breezy release
[06:58] <abiertos> resiak: ok
[06:58] <holycow> LinuxJones, no shit?
[06:59] <holycow> ha! cool
[06:59] <membreya> with Wu-FTPD, my anon user can login ok, but can't see any of the directories....
[06:59] <abiertos> resiak: can I download /etc/sudoers file from apt-get
[06:59] <abiertos> resiak:?
[06:59] <resiak> abiertos: Did you remove it?
[06:59] <thechitowncubs> Is there an audio player that automatically checks for new music in my folder? Or a playlist generator? Something of that nature
[07:00] <resiak> abiertos: I'll have to leave it up to the rest of the channel to help you with that, I'm afraid.
[07:00] <LinuxJones> holycow, I would like to get it started but there are alot of underlying issues that I don't fully understand with regards to debian's packaging system.
[07:00] <graw> LinuxJones : I mounted thge partition and added the hda1 (ntfs) line to fstab
[07:00] <jhaig> Anyway, if it were a keyboard problem then it wouldn't just affect Gnome, would it?
[07:00] <ShaneAu> hey
[07:00] <seth_slackware> hey
[07:00] <LinuxJones> graw, I don't have any windows boxes so I can't really help dude sorry :(
[07:01] <holycow> LinuxJones, like what? deb is simple from what i can tell
[07:01] <ShaneAu> Why does everything seem slughish and slow (gui)
[07:01] <abiertos> resiak:ok
[07:01] <resiak> abiertos: All the best.
[07:01] <holycow> LinuxJones, the hard part to me seems more the 'paperwork' in the process rather than the actual packaging?
[07:01] <ShaneAu> Like refersh rate really low, you move a window across the screen and yuo see a trail for a while
[07:01] <ShaneAu> It's horrible
[07:01] <abiertos> resiak:I restored it now
[07:01] <LinuxJones> holycow, it's got to do with how dpkg updates the system when it installs the service.
[07:02] <thechitowncubs> rhythm box is really buggy
[07:02] <holycow> LinuxJones, speaking of guis, thats one thing i wouldn't mind having a gui for :)
[07:02] <babylon> how can i force to close the frozen applications
[07:02] <LinuxJones> holycow, yeah it's something that most other distros have :)
[07:03] <thechitowncubs> wow, its really buggy
[07:03] <ShaneAu> Anyone?
[07:03] <ShaneAu> It's the main thing that annoys me about Linux :p
[07:04] <ShaneAu> So maybe I can fix it?
[07:04] <thechitowncubs> ShaneAu: specs
[07:05] <ShaneAu> P4 1.7 GHz, 512 MB ram, NVIDIA TNT2 graphics card
[07:05] <thechitowncubs> how much memory in the gfx card?
[07:05] <ShaneAu> 64 MB
[07:05] <thechitowncubs> k
[07:05] <thechitowncubs> Are you using Gnome?
[07:05] <ShaneAu> I used it with Windows for many years, lol
[07:06] <ShaneAu> yep
[07:07] <SeeleyUSMC> grr...dreamweaver mx doesn't seem to like wine
[07:07] <ShaneAu> Dragging windows shows it the most
[07:07] <thechitowncubs> Ok... try using the simple theme
[07:07] <ShaneAu> Seeing the trail of the window
[07:07] <SeeleyUSMC> and thats the only program I'd really like to use from windows...that and Quicken
[07:07] <thegreedyturtle> ShaneAu - do you have your video card drivers installed?
[07:08] <thechitowncubs> system>prefrences>theme
[07:08] <ShaneAu> Simple theme seems better, still kinda slugish
[07:08] <ShaneAu> no, I havn't
[07:08] <ShaneAu> But I'm downloading them now
[07:08] <thegreedyturtle> that's why ;)
[07:08] <holycow> SeeleyUSMC, check into crossover office
[07:08] <thechitowncubs> ya... nvidia drivers improve it A LOT
[07:08] <ShaneAu> Oh ok
[07:08] <ShaneAu> I'll give it a go
[07:08] <SeeleyUSMC> holycow: but that costs $... :(
[07:08] <thechitowncubs> same w/ windows
[07:08] <ShaneAu> they are done downloading
[07:08] <thechitowncubs> my windows sucked without the drivers
[07:09] <holycow> SeeleyUSMC, yep, so does dreamweaver and quicken
[07:09] <thegreedyturtle> VESA drivers blow (the default drivers)
[07:09] <ShaneAu> Ahr ok :)
[07:10] <thechitowncubs> Quicken needs a linux version... and I wish apple would make Itunes compatible with linux (would it be hard to port since mac os x runs off unix)
[07:10] <thechitowncubs> ?
[07:11] <holycow> thechitowncubs, no, but bot apple and quicken are notoriously stingy in the cross platform dev stuff
[07:11] <dennis_> server rinet.msk.wenet.ru
[07:11] <ShaneAu> ok I gotta exit X first
[07:11] <dennis_> \server rinet.msk.wenet.ru
[07:11] <thegreedyturtle> i know there's some itunes stuff for linux
[07:11] <ShaneAu> This is like my main time using Linux at home, so yeah... kinda embarrising, but how do I exit X ? :p
[07:11] <holycow> qucken infact stopped making their business version because they werent making enough sales, so linux version i'm certain isnot on their radar
[07:11] <ShaneAu> Just shutdown/.
[07:11] <ShaneAu> ?>
[07:11] <thegreedyturtle> shutdown -r 0
[07:11] <ShaneAu> :)
[07:11] <ShaneAu> Thanks
[07:11] <thegreedyturtle> shutdown -r(estart) 0(seconds)
[07:11] <holycow> exit x? you mean to command line?
[07:11] <thegreedyturtle> use -h for halt
[07:11] <dennis_> shutdown -r now
[07:12] <ShaneAu> yes
[07:12] <plexxus> Hey! Its my first time with linux and ubuntu... is there a driver for nvidia graficcards available?
[07:12] <thegreedyturtle> yus
[07:12] <ShaneAu> Wow
[07:12] <holycow> sudo /etc/init.d/gdm quit
[07:12] <ShaneAu> plexxus,
[07:12] <ShaneAu> Are you seriouse?
[07:12] <thegreedyturtle> huh?
[07:12] <ShaneAu> Sounds like me
[07:12] <holycow> plexxus, its on the ubuntu website
[07:12] <holycow> plexxus, i mean the info for installing it
[07:12] <plexxus> oh.. :)
[07:12] <ShaneAu> I JUST downloaded http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_1.0-7174.html
[07:13] <ShaneAu> But that's for TNT2
[07:13] <thegreedyturtle> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/Official_nVidia
[07:13] <ShaneAu> anyways
[07:13] <ShaneAu> I'll be back
[07:13] <plexxus> ive got a nvidia gforce 4 ti 4600
[07:13] <holycow> ShaneAu, just read the ubuntu website
[07:13] <holycow> the install instructions are there
[07:13] <plexxus> do i have to install special?
[07:13] <ShaneAu> Wow, so they are.. :)
[07:13] <holycow> don't use the nvidia installer crap, it will install stuff everywhere and bypass dpkg
[07:14] <ShaneAu> good stuff
[07:14] <thegreedyturtle> http://ubuntuguide.org/#installnvidiadriver
[07:14] <thegreedyturtle> it's easiest to use apt to get nvidia-glx
[07:14] <thegreedyturtle> you should definitely get nvidia-settings too
[07:15] <ShaneAu> ok too many options now
[07:15] <plexxus> thanx all
[07:15] <ShaneAu> :s
[07:15] <plexxus> ive installed some nvidia stuff with the paket manager in gnome
[07:15] <plexxus> glx and settigs.. yes
[07:15] <plexxus> but i cant change the resolution
[07:15] <thegreedyturtle> apt is the command line version of Synaptic Package Manager
[07:15] <ShaneAu> holycow, you say don't use the nvidia installer, but the ubuntu site says to
[07:16] <ShaneAu> now
[07:16] <holycow> plexxus, the second part of config is giving x the correct horizontal and vertical refresh rates, those determine resolution possibilities for your monitor
[07:16] <thegreedyturtle> plexxus: you have to make sure that the resolutions in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf are there
[07:16] <thegreedyturtle> plexxus: be sure and back up that xorg.conf first, i made that mistake recently...
[07:16] <holycow> plexxus, google your monitor for refresh rates and put them in the file thegreedyturtle pointed to
[07:17] <plexxus> i know the refresh rates ...
[07:17] <plexxus> there is no tool available for edit conf files..
[07:17] <plexxus> openoffice maybe?
[07:18] <holycow> lots of tools
[07:18] <ManLord> gedit kate kedit
[07:18] <holycow> open up a shell from apps/syttems/terminal
[07:18] <holycow> type sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[07:18] <stevenj> can someone tell me why no Gnome Icon theme will replace the freak'n volume in the gnome panel?
[07:18] <plexxus> (sry for this question.. but iam new to linux and ubuntu).. a friendy gave me a cd where he puts the newest ubuntu on it..
[07:19] <holycow> stevenj, what do you mean exactly?
[07:19] <holycow> plexxus, thats okay we're happy to answer provided your happy to do the work
[07:19] <thegreedyturtle> plexxus: you don't have to apologize! are you talking about the live cd?
[07:19] <plexxus> no.. no live cd..
[07:19] <thegreedyturtle> ok
[07:19] <plexxus> ive installed ubuntu on my harddisc
[07:19] <plexxus> he gave me the installation cd..
[07:19] <plexxus> installation was easy..
[07:20] <thegreedyturtle> just checking ;) cuz it's hard to actually save your xorg to a cd!
[07:20] <stevenj> holycow, I am using milk 2.1 and gnome-apple icons...for some reason the icon for the volume (right beside the time-upper right corner) will not change...I have tried many icon themes that I know is suppose to change it
[07:20] <plexxus> but.. now i do not know how to get a grafics driver installed
[07:20] <ivo_> hello guys
[07:20] <plexxus> hey ivo
[07:20] <ivo_> how do you put ubuntu in standby (to ram)??
[07:20] <burner> plexxus, what kinda card?
[07:20] <ivo_> i only see the hibernating option!!
[07:20] <ShaneAu> humm
[07:20] <ShaneAu> errors about cc
[07:20] <ShaneAu> gcc
[07:20] <thegreedyturtle> here, do it this way, you won't need to deal with that download you got from nvidia: http://ubuntuguide.org/#installnvidiadriver
[07:21] <FR500> hmmmm doing the framebuffer console was real easy
[07:21] <thegreedyturtle> you'll just use apt to download it
[07:21] <FR500> there are debs for it :P
[07:21] <plexxus> burner, g4 ti 4600
[07:21] <holycow> stevenj, thats because the theme doesn't have icons for that widget set ... i think?
[07:21] <ivo_> how do you put ubuntu in standby (to ram)??
[07:21] <ivo_> how do you put ubuntu in standby (to ram)??
[07:21] <plexxus> burner, im completely new to linux..
[07:21] <server> ivo..thats annoying
[07:21] <ivo_> ow sorry, double post
[07:21] <FR500> ivo_, locate standby.sh
[07:21] <FR500> and run it
[07:21] <ivo_> okay
[07:21] <holycow> stevenj, don't forget milk was developed on older versions of gnome, hoary uses 2.10, maybe the theme needs some adjusting for it?
[07:22] <burner> plexxus, see what thegreedyturtle posted about ubuntuguide
[07:22] <thegreedyturtle> plexxus: go System -> Synaptic Package Manager, then run a search for nVidia, and marke for install nvidia-glx and nvidia-settings
[07:22] <plexxus> plexxus, yeah.. i am reading now
[07:22] <thegreedyturtle> hokay nm then :)
[07:22] <holycow> plexxus, well welcome to linux then, some things are harde, a lot of other things are easier, hopefully  you have  fun :)
[07:22] <plexxus> burner, i am reading now :D
[07:22] <burner> heh
[07:22] <ShaneAu> I'm doing it with apt-get now :)
[07:22] <burner> good luck plexxus
[07:22] <ShaneAu> So far it's looking good
[07:22] <thegreedyturtle> my apt has super COW powers...
[07:22] <plexxus> holycow, thanks! i know that some things are new to me...
[07:23] <stevenj> holycow, I see...thanks..any idea where I can start poking around? :)
[07:23] <plexxus> holycow, one thing is.. a friend told me that i have do recompile my kernel with the nvidia drivers.. but i dont know how..
[07:23] <burner> plexxus, nah... shouldn't have to recompile
[07:23] <stevenj> holycow, or do you know of an updated milk theme (besides clearlooks :) )
[07:23] <holycow> stevenj, best i can do for ya is google and emailing the theme author :) sorry
[07:24] <stevenj> holycow, thanks
[07:24] <holycow> plexxus, no, hehe
[07:24] <burner> stevenj, gnome-look.org ?  search around
[07:24] <holycow> plexxus, you don't recompile kernels with debian/ubuntu
[07:24] <thegreedyturtle> sure you do, but you shouldn't have to
[07:24] <holycow> you can if you want but ... the point of using debian is that  you don't haveto, pretty well everything is builtin and modular
[07:24] <thegreedyturtle> and if you do have to, avoid it XD
[07:24] <holycow> thegreedyturtle, no you don't shutup, hes a newb
[07:24] <holycow> :)
[07:24] <thegreedyturtle> hahahaha
[07:25] <thegreedyturtle> you still gotta compile openMoxix
[07:25] <holycow> plexxus, heres a neat experiment you can do:
[07:25] <thegreedyturtle> Mosix*
[07:25] <plexxus> holycow, i dont know how to compile something in linux..
[07:25] <holycow> install ubuntu/debian on an hd, then plug into any desktop you like
[07:25] <holycow> it will work 9/10
[07:25] <thegreedyturtle> plexxus: don't listen to me im being facesious
[07:25] <holycow> the only thing you will have problems getting going is x server, but thats becaus x server is still 'catching' up to where it should be, it's development stalled for a long time
[07:25] <plexxus> holycow, ubuntu is still working.. and im in this chat with xchat...
[07:26] <holycow> plexxus, you don't haveto know, you can learn it's not too hard
[07:26] <plexxus> holycow, but there is this resolution problem :D
[07:26] <holycow> plexxus, me too
[07:26] <ShaneAu> Wow
[07:26] <ShaneAu> nice
[07:26] <ShaneAu> :)
[07:26] <ShaneAu> I love it
[07:26] <plexxus> holycow, but i will do this :D
[07:26] <ShaneAu> :p
[07:26] <ShaneAu> Had a big Nvidia logo on startx
[07:26] <kingsley> Is it OK to make some new disk partitions with MS FDISK and others with cfdisk?
[07:26] <thegreedyturtle> you got it then
[07:26] <ShaneAu> And now things are running excellent (graphics wise)
[07:26] <ShaneAu> Thanks!
[07:26] <holycow> plexxus, well give it a try, some people like me ditched windows immediately, some go back and forth, some don't like it, whatever suits you
[07:26] <drcoded> tgz how I extract
[07:26] <thegreedyturtle> you can turn of that obnoxious nVidia thing too if you want
[07:27] <ivo_> i can't locate standby.sh
[07:27] <ShaneAu> lol, what was that site you last sent
[07:27] <ivo_> is this a script?
[07:27] <ShaneAu> Someone sent an address
[07:27] <drcoded> I dont remmber
[07:27] <drcoded> tar -xzv or somthing
[07:27] <thegreedyturtle> ubuntuguide.com?
[07:27] <thegreedyturtle> err .org
[07:27] <ShaneAu> It was for beginners or something with a anchor
[07:28] <ShaneAu> #nvidia_guid or something as the anchor
[07:28] <ivo_> anyone?
[07:28] <thegreedyturtle> search for nvidia on it
[07:29] <thegreedyturtle> it's the only mention of nvidia
[07:29] <ShaneAu> never mind found it, http://ubuntuguide.org/#installnvidiadriver
[07:29] <plexxus> thx. guys.. i have to restart now!
[07:29] <ivo_> does anybody know about ubuntu standby??
[07:29] <netmonk> ivo_, what do you need it for
[07:29] <thegreedyturtle> i definitely reccommend scouring that site for tricks and tips
[07:29] <netmonk> ok
[07:29] <thegreedyturtle> prelink is awesome
[07:29] <ivo_> they sad earlier to look for standby.sh but i can't find it
[07:30] <netmonk> ivo_, you need either hibernate.sh or suspend.sh
[07:30] <thegreedyturtle> what are you doing ivo?
[07:30] <ivo_> hibernate is to harddrive?
[07:30] <burner> ivo_, yes
[07:30] <Rhymes> where can i find a breezy status page? something like a changelog, release notes and so on
[07:31] <burner> Rhymes, google for "ubuntu breezy" :P
[07:31] <Rhymes> ;)
[07:31] <burner> in any event, there isn't much yet
[07:31] <ShaneAu> And to exit gnome is just Ctrl Alt backspace, why didn't anyone mention that?
[07:31] <ivo_> how to get out of standby, powerbutton?
[07:31] <ShaneAu> Seems to have worked
[07:32] <burner> an updated irssi (from cvs)  new gtk, some libs
[07:32] <ShaneAu> :p
[07:32] <burner> ivo_, good question, when you find out, let me know ;)
[07:32] <cusco> hi
[07:32] <St0n3-C0l> I heard Breezy got their chaintool or toolchain broken
[07:32] <thegreedyturtle> ShaneAu: ctrl alt backspace is a heavy handed way to exit gnome, it literally kills off the Xserver
[07:32] <plexxus> ive got another problem.. i have 2 soundcards in my pc.. how can i change between the soundcards?
[07:32] <cusco> Im having a problem installing transcode
[07:32] <ivo_> burner, why do you say that?
[07:32] <thegreedyturtle> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DeveloperResources maybe Rhymes?
[07:32] <burner> plexxus, using gnome's mixer app?
[07:33] <ShaneAu> Oh.
[07:33] <plexxus> whats the command for this mixer?
[07:33] <Amaranth> plexxus: Right click on the volume icon.
[07:33] <Amaranth> choose Open Volume Control
[07:34] <Hoxzer> :D no!
[07:34] <burner> yeah, what Amaranth said
[07:34] <Hoxzer> now I totally messed up my display adapter :D
[07:34] <burner> plexxus, then check the menu to change cards
[07:35] <plexxus> k.. thx.. but it doesnt work..
[07:35] <plexxus> ive got a cheap creative and an audigy 2 in my pc
[07:35] <plexxus> the sound form the cheap creative was terrible.. and stucks..
[07:35] <plexxus> i hate it..
[07:36] <Owner__> good tip - i was looking for an add in card
[07:36] <plexxus> but the option in the mixer where i can change doestn work.. the sound comes also through the cheap when i took the audigy2
[07:36] <Owner__> did Ubuntu recognize both right away?
[07:36] <bur[n] er> ivo_: in my system, teh file for suspending is "sleep.sh"
[07:36] <plexxus> yes..
[07:36] <cusco> does anyone has transcode in the main repo?
[07:37] <Owner__> Heh- my windows box was hacked again on IRC - so what else is new - lol
[07:38] <flodine> why do you need headers for the kernel
[07:38] <Owner__> formerly - "IIIEars" - whay should i be surprised.
[07:38] <St0n3-C0l> lol
[07:39] <plexxus> i think gnome is the sweetest desktop i ever see..
[07:39] <Hoxzer> Im havin realy bad problems now
[07:40] <Hoxzer> is there anyway how I can return my .conf as it was?
[07:41] <holycow> Hoxzer, what did you do and the answer is only if you have a backup of the file
[07:41] <plexxus> how can i change the resolution..
[07:41] <Hoxzer> :D
[07:41] <Hoxzer> wonderful
[07:41] <Hoxzer> seems I have to reinstal everything
[07:42] <holycow> plexxus, system / preferences / resolution
[07:42] <plexxus> there are only this standart resolutions..
[07:42] <holycow> Hoxzer, good way to learn to always backup files before mucking about
[07:42] <plexxus> my screen supports 1600x1200
[07:42] <holycow> plexxus, did you change the v and h frequencies in your xorg.conf?
[07:42] <plexxus> but the highest i can chose is 1024 x 768
[07:43] <holycow> and added 1600x1200 resolution to the section underneath the frequence section in xorg.conf?
[07:43] <plexxus> do i have to put a "1600x1200" in front of the "1024x768" ?
[07:43] <holycow> y ep
[07:44] <kiun> hello
[07:44] <holycow> plexxus, oh forgot one thing
[07:44] <holycow> you need to restart x server after you change that config file
[07:44] <plexxus> ahh ok :D
[07:44] <kiun> I'm spanish, I need help
[07:44] <holycow> do that by doing sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart ... that will log you out and you will loose this channel
[07:45] <plexxus> there is another way ive read... strg+alt+backsp ...
[07:45] <holycow> sure
[07:45] <plexxus> is that also a way?
[07:45] <holycow> yep
[07:45] <plexxus> oh.. k!
[07:45] <plexxus> thx!
[07:46] <topyli> don't know how completely that starts gdm though
[07:46] <topyli> restarts even
[07:46] <holycow> completely
[07:46] <holycow> it's daemon, there is no other way to restart it
[07:47] <topyli> i mean ctrl-alt-backspace
[07:47] <topyli> it kills x of course, but may not rerun all the init scripts
[07:47] <plexxus> if i did the false settings.. is there a way to get in graphic mode with standart config?
[07:47] <holycow> oh yeah stopping gdm service is the cleanest way
[07:47] <zxc> Firefox keeps randomly exiting by itself :/...anyone know why or have I just done something about 5 times
[07:47] <holycow> plexxus, x wont start if the settings are bad and will fall back to command line
[07:48] <plexxus> oh.. i dont know what to to in command line mode..
[07:48] <holycow> zxc stop watching those "really friendly girl" sites :)
[07:48] <topyli> zxc: happens here too when browsing porn
[07:48] <holycow> plexxus, well, unless you have a backup config file :) take a change, what the heck
[07:48] <topyli> ummm... make that "graphical sites with lots of links"
[07:49] <zxc> holycow and topyli, damn, gonna have to switch back to windoze!
[07:49] <zxc> seriously though I was just on deviantart :/
[07:49] <topyli> yeah, windows does have its uses :)
[07:49] <holycow> rofl
[07:50] <zxc> why does it do it on "friendly girl" sites?
[07:50] <zxc> :/
[07:50] <topyli> zxc: i don't know why. i don't think it's a gecko problem because epiphany doesn't do it. it seems to be just firefox
[07:50] <holycow> zxc i was kidden :) rofl
[07:50] <FR500> help!!!!! had a power failure, now at boot it says EXT3-fs error loading journal, after that i get kernel panic
[07:51] <ivoks> hi
[07:51] <prototyp> hi
[07:51] <topyli> FR500: calm down, boot from something, run fsck
[07:51] <zxc> ah not too bad, epiphany for girl sites it is ;P
[07:51] <Delph> FR500: grab a live CD, boot off it, fsck the hard drive, hope for the best =:)
[07:51] <FR500> Delph, oks
[07:52] <FR500> thx
[07:52] <prototyp> anyone know of some nice tricks to force installation of packages?
[07:52] <FR500> fsck~=scandisk?
[07:52] <topyli> zxc: then you can even bookmark them and people won't see your bookmarks in firefox :)
[07:52] <Delph> FR500: aye
[07:52] <Delph> but lacks the property that it restarts every ten seconds.
[07:52] <Jimmothy> i have a problem
[07:53] <Jimmothy> x.org will no longer start after i fiddled trying to sort my resolution
[07:53] <Jimmothy> i'm on irssi from the backup thing
[07:53] <topyli> FR500: yes, and "hope for the best" means "check moon phase and wave a dead chicken on the keyboard"
[07:53] <flodine> whats the latest kernel out for ubuntu
[07:53] <holycow> Jimmothy, are you plexus?
[07:53] <Jimmothy> no idea what that is
[07:53] <FR500> topyli, what?
[07:53] <resiak> flodine: Are you really serious about asking that here?!
[07:53] <prototyp> topyli: LOL
[07:53] <holycow> Jimmothy, nm then
[07:53] <resiak> GAH!
[07:53] <zxc> topyli, rofl, that's what I used to do with firefox on windoze xD
[07:53] <topyli> FR500: in other words, "pray" :)
[07:53] <resiak> I must stop mistaking #ubuntu for #debian.
[07:53] <Jimmothy> how do i start x.org?
[07:53] <topyli> hehe
[07:54] <resiak> Delph: You threw me off by being in here...
[07:54] <flodine> yeah mine is 2.6.10.5
[07:54] <holycow> Jimmothy, ideally you want to have a backup of your xorg.conf file, and copy that back overtop, then try again
[07:54] <flodine> im not a punk
[07:54] <Delph> resiak: i'm just in here for the comedy value.
[07:54] <Jimmothy> oh good idea, how do i do that? i know i have one, i rememeber making it
[07:54] <resiak> Delph: Erm...
[07:55] <holycow> cp xorg.conf.back xorg.conf
[07:55] <dantheman> does anyone here use mail-notification?
[07:55] <Delph> resiak: of the questions, not playing sillybuggers with the answers.
[07:55] <holycow> the first name is what you named it, the last name is the target, make sure you have your paths right and then just do startx to test
[07:55] <resiak> Delph: Heh.
[07:55] <Jimmothy> ok, brb
[07:55] <holycow> remember, its going to copy OVER TOP of the old xorg.conf file
[07:56] <prototyp> very nice copy/pasting my errors now
[07:56] <dantheman> i'm having some problems setting up mail-notification to work with gmail
[07:56] <dantheman> the notifier doesn't show up at all
[07:56] <dantheman> and it won't let me configure it agian
[07:56] <dantheman> i sent myself a test message, but it didn't show up then, either
[07:56] <Munnu> sen puutteessa ostin itselleni IDE64:n. =D
[07:56] <Munnu> oops.
[07:57] <topyli> dantheman: are you sure it's running?
[07:57] <ShaneAu> Am i able to upgrade my firefox to 1.0.3 with apt-get?
[07:57] <dantheman> i went to the applications menu and clicked on it
[07:58] <dantheman> it didn't give me any information about what it was doing, if it started or not
[07:58] <Jimmothy> ok that didnt' work, i don't remember the paths
[07:58] <holycow> lol
[07:58] <holycow> where is your backup file?
[07:58] <dantheman> i'm reinstalling the package now
[07:58] <topyli> Munnu: kaada itsellesi vaan :)
[07:58] <Jimmothy> i presume its in the same directory as xorg.conf
[07:58] <Hoxzer> everything went so well until I edited .conf file :D
[07:58] <prototyp> how do I force a certain package to install? kdelibs-data keeps bugging me with some dependency problem
[07:59] <Hoxzer> no way :D
[07:59] <prototyp> which I'm unable to fix
[07:59] <holycow> Jimmothy, cd /etc/X11
[07:59] <Hoxzer> now I have to install everything again
[07:59] <holycow> once you are in there you can just do cp old.file.backup xorg.conf
[07:59] <Jimmothy> gah i need a second terminal while i'm stuck
[07:59] <Jimmothy> ok, brb once more
[07:59] <holycow> Jimmothy, ctrl/alt/f2
[07:59] <holycow> don't log out
[07:59] <holycow> just do ctrl/alt/f2 and login there
[07:59] <Jimmothy> didn't do anything
[08:00] <topyli> Hoxzer: that's hard to believe. reinstall?
[08:00] <dantheman> is there another program like mail-notification for checking a gmail account?
[08:01] <Hoxzer> Topyli: yep
[08:01] <Hoxzer> im not sure but do you know how do I edit that file?
[08:01] <Nomikos> if I want to mount folders on Ubuntu from MacOS X on another computer, what do i have to install?
[08:01] <Hoxzer> when I cant visit in gnome
[08:01] <zxc> The application "Epiphany" has decided to quit unexpectadly, noooo my pr0n! :P
[08:01] <HcE> Nomikos: They all can use Samba
[08:01] <Nomikos> HcE: so I install Samba on Ubuntu?
[08:02] <HcE> Nomikos: yes
[08:02] <jroc> hi there... has anyone here (a) used the POPfile mail filtering package and (b) had any problems with it since upgrading to Hoary?
[08:02] <HcE> Nomikos: and the use smbmount
[08:02] <prototyp> Hoxzer: have you installed mc yet?
[08:02] <FR500> topyli, Delph thanks a lot
[08:02] <Hoxzer> no
[08:02] <FR500> it worked
[08:02] <prototyp> try it
[08:02] <georges> hi. is anyone using ayttm ?
[08:02] <Nomikos> and on OS X, do I just go to network and it'll find it?
[08:02] <Hoxzer> I haven't installed like anything
[08:02] <Hoxzer> only bittorrent client
[08:02] <zxc> georges, I've tried it :/
[08:02] <prototyp> no X needed to edit files
[08:02] <georges> zxc: not happy wit hit?
[08:02] <Nomikos> HcE: thanks, I'll try it out
[08:02] <Hoxzer> yeah, I can be in the console
[08:03] <Hoxzer> but not into Gnome
[08:03] <Jimmothy> so i cp'd my backup to xorg.conf but startx gave me bash: command startx not found, or similar
[08:03] <zxc> georges, wouldn't connect to msn messenger for me :/
[08:03] <georges> zxc: connects fine here
[08:03] <holycow> Jimmothy, weird, is that an ubuntu box?
[08:03] <georges> zxc: using ayttm coming with hoary
[08:03] <Jimmothy> yep, hoary, new install freshly messed up today
[08:04] <holycow> Jimmothy, oh
[08:04] <holycow> you need to do sudo startx
[08:04] <Jimmothy> oh haha
[08:04] <holycow> :)
[08:04] <Jimmothy> ok, yet more brb
[08:05] <zxc> georges, I got in using apt-get I think :/
[08:05] <topyli> FR500: good. ext3 is hard to break with a power failure :)
[08:05] <topyli> well, so is ext2
[08:05] <IIIEars> << Back
[08:05] <BockBilbo> olas
[08:05] <BockBilbo> hello
[08:05] <dantheman> is there another program like mail-notification for checking a gmail account?
[08:05] <nuria> olas
[08:06] <FR500> topyli, being ubuntu my only os now it was scary for once
[08:06] <zxc> georges, I just got it to work a bit better but there was an "Unknown error 92" and Msn connection "reset"
[08:06] <topyli> FR500: sure. because for a minute you don't know how badly broken the filesystem is. it may be genuinely gone
[08:06] <BockBilbo> uis una chica en ste canal :P | wow, a girl in this channel :p
[08:06] <FR500> yeah
[08:06] <BockBilbo> :P
[08:06] <IIIEars> lol - actually logged into IRC with the redmond OS and samba connecting running on my other machine - Doh! - what was i thinking? - ROFLMAO
[08:07] <BockBilbo> hey nuria
[08:07] <georges> Only think I know is that I use may email adress as user and then the passport password
[08:07] <Jimmothy> ok, i have working x :)
[08:07] <holycow> *highfive*
[08:07] <georges> zxc:  Only thing I know is that I use may email adress as user and then the passport password
[08:07] <IIIEars> congrats!
[08:07] <Jimmothy> *highfives*
[08:07] <topyli> Jimmothy: you can run X programs now! :)
[08:08] <holycow> i wish plexxus had better luck, didn't come back which means he will reinstall from scratch because he doesn't have any cli experience
[08:08] <Jimmothy> next on my priorities is sorting my resolution
[08:08] <nuria> joe nadie en espaol
[08:08] <Jimmothy> i love irssi :) and i haven't installed beep-media-player yet
[08:08] <holycow> Jimmothy, make another backup of your xorg.conf file just in case :)
[08:08] <neofeed> nuria, #ubuntu-es?
[08:08] <holycow> lol
[08:08] <IIIEars> XORG hell - i don't envy you.
[08:08] <topyli> nuria: /join #ubuntu-es
[08:09] <nuria> asias
[08:09] <neofeed> hmm 'lets have a party' - is that correctly spelled?
[08:09] <topyli> no
[08:09] <Jimmothy> only problem with 640x800 is its so small!
[08:09] <zxc> georges, I think I'll have to stick with gaim for the near future ;) as aMSN is a pile of shit as well
[08:09] <AlfaWolph> let's
[08:09] <sash_> Ubuntu rulez
[08:10] <neofeed> hmm thanks AlfaWolph ... my english sucks :(
[08:10] <topyli> capital L
[08:10] <Jimmothy> the google logo is currently the size of a cockroach
[08:10] <topyli> heh
[08:10] <holycow> Jimmothy, basically all you need to do is find the correct vertical and horizontal refresh rates for your monitor, and put them into your xorg.conf file
[08:10] <georges> zxc: anyway I want to use it as yahoo messenger... it works fine (did so for years) but the webcam does not work. Wecam did work fine with gentoo.
[08:10] <neofeed> topyli, 'Let's have a party'?
[08:10] <neofeed> [confused] 
[08:10] <topyli> yeah
[08:10] <holycow> Jimmothy, also adding maximum resolution settings for your moni in the section below will help
[08:11] <topyli> neofeed: that's a good sentence to begin your english training too :)
[08:12] <ruukia> I am getting this at startup ...error:missing command to run.. someone plz help !
[08:12] <topyli> ruukia: does it boot ok?
[08:13] <^vir^> how do i go about changing the login screen in ubuntu i want to change to entrance (e17)
[08:13] <ruukia> topyli, ya .. acutlaly i had firestarter installed, then i uninstalled it with apt-get remove .. but now this happens :(
[08:13] <neofeed> topyli, well I can speak quite well. But the writing is a real handycap... But I can't even write my mom's tounge...
[08:14] <holycow> ^vir^, not sure, if you have gdm installed thatas your login manager.  does e17 actually have its own login manager that you can use?
[08:14] <neofeed> ^vir^, you'd have to substitute gdm with elogin
[08:14] <topyli> ruukia: you have a firestarter init script hanging around, and it doesn't find firestarter which it wants to run
[08:14] <neofeed> holycow, It does
[08:14] <holycow> ah there we go, okay
[08:14] <plexxus> Hey! thx all!! Grafix WoRx nice!!!!
[08:14] <neofeed> it's called entrance.
[08:14] <^vir^> i know
[08:14] <prototyp> anyone in here into kubuntu?
[08:15] <PenguinBoy> Afternoon guys!
[08:15] <PenguinBoy> can I get some assistance with GRUB
[08:15] <neofeed> ^vir^, so edit the x file...
[08:15] <zyga> hello
[08:15] <^vir^> thanks
[08:15] <BockBilbo> prototyp, #kubuntu
[08:15] <topyli> ruukia: try purging the firestarter package, or in synaptic, "remove with config"
[08:15] <plexxus> whats a good (or the best) available mp3 player for ubuntu.. and how can i access my ntfs partitions ?
[08:15] <zyga> can anyone reccomend win32 app that is compatible with gnomemeeting?
[08:15] <ruukia> topyli, ok i'll try that thx
[08:15] <prototyp> BockBilbo: duh... thanks :D
[08:15] <plexxus> sorry.. mp3 player for gnome
[08:15] <holycow> plexxus, welcome back, did it work?
[08:15] <zxc> georges, does it have webcam support?!
[08:15] <ruukia> i also spent quite a bit of time removing crap scripts firestarter left on my system
[08:15] <topyli> ruukia: look in /etc/init.d if there is a firestarter script
[08:16] <^vir^> plexxus, xmms, rythembox....
[08:16] <plexxus> holycow, yeah.. after some xorg.conf editing retrys it worked :D
[08:16] <neofeed> ^vir^, you coult try to get help in #e, or #edevelop
[08:16] <drcode> hi all
[08:16] <holycow> plexxus, *high five* nice :)
[08:16] <ruukia> topyli, ya I already took care of the one in init.d
[08:16] <drcode> any one config shorewall?
[08:16] <plexxus> rythmbox says that he dont know what mp3 is
[08:16] <georges> zxc: yes, but it's not working in ubuntu
[08:16] <ruukia> but it has another running somehwere and it's really annoying
[08:16] <^vir^> install the w32codecs then
[08:16] <plexxus> holycow, yeah.. ubuntu rox tha world :D
[08:16] <holycow> plexxus, ubuntu website has info on playing mp3's and stuff like that
[08:16] <wezzer-> sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[08:16] <topyli> ruukia: it might not be firestarter though, but it's one of the initscripts
[08:17] <georges> zxc: ayttm has yahoo webcam support and is usable in gentoo
[08:17] <^vir^> www.ubuntuguide.org i think it is plexxus
[08:17] <plexxus> okaayy :)
[08:17] <^vir^> tells you how to mount ntfs
[08:17] <^vir^> :)
[08:17] <holycow> plexxus, just so that you are aware, ubuntu cannot give 'free' mp3 support with the distro, mp3 is a patented format, and the patent holders want all players to pay them a royalty in order to be able to play mp3's
[08:17] <georges> zxc: but in ubuntu I can only view my own webcam,. Others can't view mine and I can't view other's webcams (shows blank window)
[08:17] <holycow> plexxus, so you haveto manually download support your self for that reason
[08:18] <plexxus> holycow, oh..
[08:18] <ruukia> topyli, is there a way I can narrow down the scripts there to my problem ?
[08:18] <topyli> plexxus: holycow: you can of course also tell apt to download the codecs for you :)
[08:19] <zxc> georges, that sucks, tell the dev team! :P
[08:19] <holycow> plexxus, yeah you will quickly find out just how hosed most people are in the marketplace wihtout knowing it
[08:19] <^vir^> plexxus, the site i gave you will tell you how to add mp3 support
[08:19] <holycow> topyli, well thats sorta why i'm mentioning the site :)
[08:19] <georges> zxc: where? forums?
[08:19] <^vir^> & other formats
[08:19] <topyli> ruukia: bootlog perhaps, or just try and see what's being run in the boot sequence when the error appears
[08:20] <holycow> plexxus, also, now that you have a working xorg.conf, plz make a backup just incase
[08:20] <holycow> hehe :)
[08:20] <topyli> hey, spider-man 1 is on tv. might as well see it
[08:20] <Jimmothy> time to mess up once more
[08:20] <plexxus> holycow, yeah.. i did backuped it.. because my editings dind worked 3 times..
[08:20] <plexxus> grml..
[08:20] <Jimmothy> most likely back in a bit
[08:21] <plexxus> and the console started..
[08:21] <ruukia> ok
[08:22] <kanuha> can anyone tell me why my hard drive is working overtime right now
[08:22] <Tuxicity> kanuha, updatedb might be running?
[08:22] <kanuha> it's just working away and I am not doing anything
[08:22] <kanuha> Tuxicity: how long does it take?
[08:23] <Tuxicity> kanuha, use command "top" and check it's near top
[08:23] <georges> for some silly reason ubuntu starts updatedb quite late (or eraly in morning) so when I get up it's still running (160GB of files)
[08:23] <plexxus> i do not find the paket who aktivates the mp3 compatibility in rythmbox.. but i am installing now xmms...
[08:23] <chombee> if I install KUbuntu on an Ubuntu system, will it automatically give me the Gnome/KDE choice on login?
[08:24] <lcizzle> what can I use to burn a DVD besides Nero, it wont install on my system
[08:24] <holycow> lcizzle, stay away from that pos
[08:24] <holycow> install gnomebaker
[08:24] <holycow> or k3b if you are on kubuntu
[08:24] <holycow> nero sucks
[08:25] <^vir^> plexxus, http://ubuntuguide.org/#codecs
[08:25] <kanuha> Tuxicity: the on eat the top is amarokapp
[08:26] <georges> I installed k3b on gnome. well it dragged lots of kde libs with it but I still have a gnome system
[08:26] <plexxus> thx vir :D
[08:26] <^vir^> np plexxus
[08:26] <XTCboarder> i use gnmoebaker
[08:26] <lcizzle> which package should I download of k3b for ubuntu?
[08:26] <CB_> can anyone suggest a good N64 emulator?
[08:26] <XTCboarder> but i can't write to my usb dvd drive
[08:27] <lcizzle> nm
[08:27] <holycow> lcizzle, :)
[08:27] <holycow> lcizzle, hey ...
[08:27] <lcizzle> ?
[08:27] <holycow> if you are on ubuntu, donwload gnomebaker
[08:27] <^vir^> i hope they make a eubuntu in the future cos enlightenment is great
[08:27] <holycow> k3b is for kde, and it will download all kinds of shit
[08:27] <holycow> try gnomebaker first
[08:28] <Tuxicity> kanuha, ok but is updatedb among the 1st apps listed by top?
[08:28] <kanuha> I quit out of amarokapp on the taskbar and it my hard drive settle down
[08:28] <kanuha> Tuxicity: no
[08:28] <Tuxicity> kanuha, what's amarokapp for?
[08:28] <kanuha> Tuxicity: don't even see it listed
[08:28] <lcizzle> sigh
[08:29] <kanuha> Tuxicity: mp3 player
[08:29] <lcizzle> everyone only has i386 binaries
[08:29] <plexxus> how can i do skripts (like batch skripts in windows) bcause i want do mount my ntfs partitions automaticaly...
[08:29] <XTCboarder> asnybody had trouble burning dvd's on a usb drive with gnomebaker?
[08:29] <ruukia> exit
[08:29] <Tuxicity> kanuha, maybe it was building a playlist from audio files on your HD??
[08:29] <XTCboarder> i neet herp
[08:29] <kanuha> Tuxicity: maybe it was doing some kind of scan for files, but I already told it where to look
[08:30] <Tuxicity> plexxus, bash scripts
[08:30] <kanuha> Tuxicity: i'll see if it happens again when I load it
[08:30] <plexxus> tuxicity, are u soad fan? :D  bash scripts? i only want to have files where i click on.. and they execute a script..
[08:30] <Jimmothy> all sorted :)
[08:31] <Tuxicity> kanuha, since it's a KDE app, maybe ask in #kubuntu?
[08:31] <Jimmothy> copied over my old irssi folder too, so i have everything back
[08:31] <kanuha> Tuxicity: ok, thanks
[08:31] <plexxus> tuxicity, like mountD.(idontknow) and there is a script in what does mount blablabla
[08:31] <Jimmothy> holycow: thank you for your help. very appreciated.
[08:32] <holycow> no probs
[08:32] <BockBilbo> anyone can tell me how to visualize the memory used by a process in shell?
[08:32] <Tuxicity> plexxus, do you really need a script for that? just edite fstab?
[08:32] <plexxus> fstab ?
[08:32] <holycow> hopefully we will eventually have this x stuff all guified, it's just that x development was stagnated for like more than 10 years
[08:32] <plexxus> im new to linux and ubuntu
[08:32] <holycow> xfree dev anyway
[08:32] <BockBilbo> plexxus, /etc/fstab
[08:32] <XTCboarder> sudo gedit /etc/fstab
[08:32] <CB_> can anyone suggest a good N64 emulator?
[08:33] <plexxus> and there i can put mount command?
[08:33] <BockBilbo> plexxus,
[08:33] <BockBilbo> nope
[08:33] <BockBilbo> read the fstab manual
[08:33] <kanuha> man ubuntu is great, with irc, howto and the forums, anyone can use ubuntu
[08:33] <BockBilbo> "man fstab"
[08:33] <XTCboarder> plexxus
[08:33] <Tuxicity> plexxus, not exactly but it will mount your partitions automatically every boot
[08:33] <XTCboarder> there you set the fs's the system will mount no boo
[08:33] <XTCboarder> t
[08:33] <plexxus> oh.. thats nice.. i see :O
[08:34] <holycow> kanuha, :) yep, welcome
[08:34] <plexxus> oh.. another question.. where can i change the boot settings..
[08:34] <BockBilbo> XTCboarder, do you know how to show the memory usd by a process in  shell?
[08:34] <Moder> how can I mount a partition that is krypted with blowfish?
[08:34] <Tuxicity> plexxus, as in?
[08:34] <Jimmothy> you know, in a way i enjoyed experiencing messing it all up for a moment, and that i handled it fairly well.
[08:34] <Moder> crypted, sorry :>
[08:35] <plexxus> tuxicity, as in????
[08:35] <Tuxicity> plexxus, what boot settings?
[08:35] <IIIEars> plexus - in /boot/grub no?
[08:35] <plexxus> tuxicity, the settings where i can change the boot sequece
[08:35] <XTCboarder> no dude
[08:35] <XTCboarder> i'm very n00b
[08:35] <holycow> Jimmothy, yeah the one thing abotu all gui stuff, is the out of sight out of mind problem, everything is fine u ntil somethign goes wrong and then  you have no skills to fix it.  cli isn't so bad imho
[08:36] <BockBilbo> ohmm
[08:36] <BockBilbo> ok;) thanks
[08:36] <XTCboarder> ;D
[08:36] <Jimmothy> i love working with the terminal
[08:36] <IIIEars> (sheepish grin) - okay - (new linux user 96 hours can you tell?)
[08:36] <XTCboarder> do you know how to setup up a udb dvdrw so it can burn dvd's?
[08:36] <XTCboarder> :(
[08:37] <Tuxicity> plexxus, sory but can you be more specific, I havent had much sleep :)
[08:37] <plexxus> sorry that i so silly to linux..
[08:37] <Tuxicity> plexxus, no no
[08:37] <plexxus> but its so much different to windows
[08:37] <dantheman> does gcc not come installed on ubuntu by default?
[08:38] <plexxus> i have do to all the config in files..
[08:38] <plexxus> is.. a little bit confusing..
[08:38] <lcizzle> dantheman: no, doesnt seem like it
[08:38] <XTCboarder> dantheman no
[08:38] <Tuxicity> dantheman, sudo apt-get install build-essentials
[08:38] <bpuccio> dantheman: no, apt-get install build-essentials
[08:38] <holycow> plexxus, you want to change the boot sequence?
[08:38] <holycow> wow!
[08:38] <XTCboarder> plexxus what is it you need?
[08:38] <holycow> plexxus, mind me asking why?
[08:39] <xukun> I realy cant explain why but I,m getting this error all the time if I try to update: Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary/multiverse/source/Sources.gz  Could not connect to archive.ubuntu.com:80 (82.211.81.151). - connect (111 Connection refused)
[08:39] <plexxus> tuxicity, i want to change the boot sequence,... ive got windows on my pc and ubuntu, and i want that windows is the first boot option..
[08:39] <holycow> thats a very advanced request inded :)
[08:39] <dantheman> Tuxicity: apt-get couldn't find the build-essentials package
[08:39] <drspin> plexxus: Linux is not confusing -- It's very logical -- you're just suffering from M$-sucks syndrome
[08:39] <XTCboarder> ahhh
[08:39] <Tuxicity> plexxus, oh, ok
[08:39] <holycow> plexxus, oh thats your grub menu ... its in /etc/grub/grub.conf
[08:39] <xukun> why refused?
[08:39] <holycow> just change the order in which the os' are listed
[08:39] <dazzed> plexxus: edit /etc/grug/grub.conf and change order
[08:39] <plexxus> drspin, yes :D
[08:40] <XTCboarder> how do i install liloin ubuntu?
[08:40] <XTCboarder> it seems grub doen's like my computer
[08:40] <lcizzle> dantheman: build-essential
[08:40] <plexxus> thx dazzed
[08:40] <xukun> any body
[08:40] <IIIEars> why lilo? lilo needs to be "activated after any editing is done to it.
[08:41] <Tuxicity> dantheman, sudo apt-get install build-essential    (no 's')
[08:41] <Jimmothy> Jimmothy's linux quick tip: If you're going to be installing and/or breaking things, be prepared; be armed with a good album, a DVD maybe, or a good 'ol PS2 game. You may need to pass the time. :)
[08:41] <drspin> plexxus: find a good tutorial about the linux file structure -- it'll make using linux generally easier and help you understand things like file permissions and why things can be "quirky" to a windows convert
[08:41] <georges> grub does not like my PC either. or rather it's the bios. some issue of bios not recognizing big harddisks. I have put grum on a floppy
[08:42] <XTCboarder> IIIEars, cause grub doen's like my machine
[08:42] <XTCboarder> i get mem errors with it
[08:42] <plexxus> drspin, okay! :D
[08:42] <XTCboarder> and kernel won't decompress right so no boot is done after all
[08:42] <xukun> any bobdy?  there is nothing wrong with my sources.list file but I still get refused errors
[08:42] <drspin> XTCboarder: have you ran a memtest?
[08:42] <XTCboarder> yeah
[08:42] <plexxus> drspin, i ll to my best in linux, but is really different, but in some aspects better than windows :D
[08:42] <drspin> XTCboarder: any errors?
[08:42] <XTCboarder> it gives me 4 errors en 4 especific bytes
[08:43] <georges> XTCboarder: does the ubuntu live CD boot? does the knoppix CD boot?
[08:43] <holycow> plexxus, don't give up... one of the side benefits of learnign linux is you actually learn what windows is doing behind the scenes
[08:43] <XTCboarder> i don't know i have none of them
[08:43] <XTCboarder> but slack and freebsd and all of them wins0x boot
[08:43] <IIIEars> XTC - if you get into trouble and need to erase the boot sector or the entire disk check out the "dd" command EXAMPLE - dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/yourdiskname bs=512 will erase the your disk
[08:43] <holycow> plexxus, believe it or not, windows does a lot of similar things in similar ways, tho a lot is just completely stupid
[08:43] <XTCboarder> only ubuntu's don't
[08:43] <drspin> XTCboarder: If you have two DIMM sockets try swapping them -- if you only have one I'd suggest replacing it
[08:43] <georges> XTCboarder: download one. always very useful. I recommend knoppix
[08:43] <plexxus> holycow, yeah.. i read this sentece u wrote on a forum.. lol :D
[08:43] <Tuxicity> xukun, maybe realted to gpg?
[08:43] <holycow> plexxus, rofl, no shit :) haha, weird, yeah i did indeed :)
[08:44] <XTCboarder> drspin, but how can it be that it is the only disk that dies
[08:44] <holycow> good memory
[08:44] <Tuxicity> xukun, related*
[08:44] <XTCboarder> i even have hiren's and it boots perfectly
[08:44] <SalsaDoom> Anyone have an audigy2 and having problems with the volume seeming to be muted?
[08:44] <XTCboarder> plus, it boots sometimes
[08:44] <XTCboarder> and sometimes it doesn't
[08:44] <XTCboarder> :p
[08:44] <nydust> what is the name of the apache2 lib that gives me mysql support?
[08:45] <XTCboarder> it's very erratic and funky nehavior
[08:45] <XTCboarder> so i think maybe is the booter and the booter is grub
[08:45] <XTCboarder> plus i installed lilo one time and rebooted about 3 times
[08:45] <XTCboarder> and all times was ok
[08:45] <IIIEars> XTC, sounds like it is
[08:46] <XTCboarder> but i installed it when i was installing ubuntu
[08:46] <Jimmothy> maybe you're hdd iusn't in the best condition if it isn't loading all the time
[08:46] <XTCboarder> Jimmothy,
[08:46] <holycow> XTCboarder, you may want to check your hardware before swapping out for lilo
[08:46] <xukun> Tuxicity, sec maybe you get a point there
[08:47] <XTCboarder> it's got nothign to do with the hdd, i get the same error with cd's or hd's boot
[08:47] <plexxus> salsadoom, if u get it worked.. pls give me a message, my audigy2 is also silent :
[08:47] <IIIEars> yes - but if you are like me it isn't the first linux install/distro i tried some notably FreeBSD create virtual partitiions sda and grub/ubuntu doesn't like them
[08:47] <xukun> Tuxicity, I h ave done this: gpg --keyserver wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net --recv-keys 1F41B907
[08:47] <xukun> gpg --armor --export 1F41B907 | sudo apt-key add -
[08:47] <SalsaDoom> plexxus: ah, so its not only me. Pretty wierd eh? Its pretty hard to mess up emu10k1 soundcards these days.
[08:48] <plexxus> salsadoom, ive got two soundcards in my pc, one is a creative cheap thing.. i dont know the name.. and one is a audigy2 platinum...
[08:48] <xukun> Tuxicity, but I dont see if things whent wrong
[08:48] <plexxus> salsadoom, the cheap one gives some crackling stucking sounds .. terrible... and the audigy2 is quiet..
[08:48] <IIIEars> XTC - if your disk is in trouble with flaky looking partition sizes or sda virtual partitions google the "dd" comand - it is a lifesaver
[08:48] <cyberix> There is know way to open new wmv files?
[08:49] <plexxus> salsadoom, i hate life without music :)
[08:49] <cyberix> s/know/no/
[08:49] <XTCboarder> IIIEars, !! that was chinese for me
[08:49] <SalsaDoom> plexxus: I suspect esd might be the culprit. Gimme a sec
[08:49] <XTCboarder> :p
[08:49] <SalsaDoom> plexxus: lol, yeah. No music hardcore sucks.
[08:49] <XTCboarder> can you type that on pvo
[08:49] <IIIEars> lol - i know me too until a week ago
[08:49] <ianrogers> Could I fit Ubuntu on an old 1GB drive I have lying around?
[08:49] <XTCboarder> i mean private
[08:49] <XTCboarder> cause i gotta go lunch now
[08:49] <XTCboarder> ianrogers, yeah
[08:49] <nydust> i get some errors on apt-get with the sourcelist. where do i get a correct list of sorces?
[08:49] <XTCboarder> try not using gnome
[08:50] <ianrogers> :-\
[08:50] <serfurj> ubuntu's wiki is too hard to edit
[08:50] <serfurj> i gave up
[08:50] <SalsaDoom> plexxus: nope. Its not esd ;(
[08:51] <ianrogers> I had a problem while running a LiveCD on my iBook
[08:51] <mindmedic> do i need to insert a module to use a serial mouse?
[08:51] <xukun> Tuxicity, what can I do about it if its related with gpg?
[08:51] <IIIEars> ianrogers - did you try the apm= switches on boot up?
[08:51] <plexxus> salsadoom, i do not know what alsa, esd and that other stuff is..
[08:52] <ianrogers> No, I didn't try that
[08:52] <ianrogers> It just loads a small window with like 2 lines of HTML in it
[08:52] <SalsaDoom> I hate ALSA! Its garbage code.
[08:52] <serfurj> actually, it's not too hard, it's just too much trouble
[08:52] <serfurj> wiki's should be a snap to edit
[08:52] <Tuxicity> plexxus, there audio systems of linux
[08:53] <IIIEars> Wow that is odd - read reviews of Ubuntu running pretty well on everything but a dual processor g5
[08:53] <SalsaDoom> plexxus: OSS is the original sound drivers for linux. The OSS/Free stuff in the kernel is generally lacking features. The commerical OSS is the only good sound you get in linux really. ALSA is bloated, buggy, unstable, slow and bad sounding. Thus, its the new standard.
[08:53] <mindmedic> SalsaDoom, don't use it then :)
[08:53] <ianrogers> It's a LiveCD I'm using
[08:53] <plexxus> salsadoom, and whats the best now?
[08:54] <mindmedic> SalsaDoom, or write a better implementation...
[08:54] <SalsaDoom> Well... it should be deleted from the kernel tree and never touched ever again for anyone. In My Humble Opinion. ;)
[08:54] <SalsaDoom> mindframe: I'll get right on that.
[08:54] <LinuxJones> SalsaDoom, Alsa works fine for me :D
[08:54] <SalsaDoom> plexxus: ALSA is still best if you don't want to use commerical OSS
[08:54] <Delph> SalsaDoom: buggy and unstable are it being new and untested. Slow: it's built to be much lower latency than OSS. Bad sounding is just a bad driver on your end.
[08:55] <resiak> SalsaDoom: Do you have some kind of script which expands "imho"?
[08:55] <SalsaDoom> Delph: Buggy and unstable are acceptable, since its new. Latency is probably better, but test this: Load ALSA drivers, Play a game, watch your FPS. Load an OSS driver, you'll get better fps.
[08:56] <Delph> I tend not to use it to play games... If I want to play a game, then i'll use something designed to play games.
[08:56] <Tuxicity> plexxus, the one that works for you, that's all ALSA or OSS or ESD...
[08:56] <Delph> foorandom linux install is currently not set up for using games, due to a total lack of support from hardware and software manufacturers.
[08:57] <mindmedic> Delph, theres a lot to play on linux
[08:58] <Delph> mindmedic: there's... tux racer... gnome stones... nethack =:)
[08:58] <Pathfinder> Newbie here, can anyone explain why I get the error message : Failed to save....invalid URI, in screem? Am using Hoary64 and would like to solve this problem
[08:58] <Tuxicity> xukun, I'm not familiar with gpg. you may ask a "gpg guru"
[08:58] <Choubaka> Delph: "total lack of support" isn't correct :)
[08:58] <SalsaDoom> UT2004, Darwinia, Doom3... etc
[08:58] <Choubaka> Freeciv!
[08:58] <mindmedic> quake series, doom3, enemy territory
[08:58] <Choubaka> Also, hmm, Frozen bubble.
[08:58] <IIIEars> I agree with mindmedic unreal series games run well and UT2K4 even includes a linux installer.
[08:59] <Delph> so... a few games have a linux installer.
[08:59] <nydust> apt-get hangs, how do i kill it?
[08:59] <Delph> How many hardware manufacturers have linux drivers that work nicely.
[08:59] <mindmedic> commercial stuff: http://www.holarse.de/?content=/spiele/kommerzielle/
[08:59] <dazzed> hey guys i got a friend on ubu....its recognizing his eth0 but he cant ping google..any suggestions!?
[08:59] <chavo> I play Half Life 2, Jedi Knight, Splinter Cell all with cedega.
[08:59] <dr_willis> dazzed,  can he ping the ip? if so - then its a dns issue.
[09:00] <Delph> cedega doesn't count.
[09:00] <dazzed> nope dr_willis
[09:00] <dazzed> hes on a connection that works for windows
[09:00] <LinuxJones> dazzed, sudo network-admin and select dhcp
[09:00] <AlfaWolph> dazzed, make sure he's got on it
[09:00] <dazzed> LinuxJones: hes on dhcp
[09:00] <Choubaka> Delph: Of course it does.
[09:00] <mindmedic> j0 cedega isn't really linux gaming
[09:00] <Delph> it's to *work around* commerical vendors without support for linux.
[09:00] <AlfaWolph> an ip that is
[09:00] <AlfaWolph> ah
[09:00] <Delph> this is what I mean by 'total lack of support'
[09:00] <LinuxJones> dazzed, that"s a network problem with the dns servers
[09:00] <chavo> Delph, whatever.
[09:00] <^vir^> Delph,  ati have started to support linux
[09:00] <xukun> Tuxicity, where can I find a "gpg guru" ;)
[09:01] <^vir^> nvidia do aswell
[09:01] <Delph> ^vir^: oh, the random binary lump that you have to hope works?
[09:01] <LinuxJones> dazzed, or is he behind a firewall or soething ?
[09:01] <Delph> hardly 'support'
[09:01] <LinuxJones> something*
[09:01] <dazzed> yes
[09:01] <chavo> What kind of support do you need to play a game?
[09:01] <chavo> I got your back man.
[09:01] <dazzed> LinuxJones: yeah hes behind a firewall i think he forgot about that
[09:02] <SalsaDoom> Vendetta Online is a space MMORPG that has linux support.. its pretty fun
[09:02] <Delph> Decent direct rendering to the graphics card would be a good start.
[09:02] <holycow> dazzed, rofl :)
[09:02] <holycow> AlfaWolph, nice catch
[09:02] <LinuxJones> dazzed, it's probably setup to drop icmp packets
[09:02] <chavo> You must have an ATI card.
[09:02] <IIIEars> dazzed - i installed two firewalls on the first try at ubuntu (Ex-Windows user paranoia) - try a reinstall. ubuntu has solid networking support.
[09:02] <azad> hi, how can i add myself to a user-group?
[09:02] <Delph> A good gameplaying system is one which is small, tightly integrated, and designed to do that.
[09:02] <xukun> any gpg guru here?
[09:02] <chavo> It doesn't say anything about Linux support on the box.
[09:03] <Jimmothy> how would i load gnome terminal and irssi in one command?
[09:03] <Delph> Linux is decidedly a *general purpose* operating system. The exact opposite to what you want.
[09:03] <holycow> Delph, i agree, gaming should be done on consoles
[09:03] <Delph> Most things well, but nothing brilliantly.
[09:03] <SalsaDoom> well, you guys can keep your consoles.
[09:03] <chavo> Delph, linux is whatever "I" want it to be.
[09:03] <plexxus> thx all... bye!!!
[09:03] <SalsaDoom> chavo: yeh!
[09:03] <holycow> later plexxus
[09:03] <IIIEars> chavo - yeppers! (wide grin)
[09:03] <Delph> chavo: yes. it will do what you want to do. It's just not going to be *efficient* at doing that. Because it's general purpose and customizable.
[09:03] <dazzed> yeah hes working on it now well get some more info in a seconds
[09:03] <chavo> I don't own a TV, let alone a game console.
[09:04] <Tuxicity> Jimmothy, gnome-terminal; irssi
[09:04] <^vir^> linux would be be a better platform for gaming if linus included a  proper HAL but he doesn't want hardware companies to make buggy code
[09:04] <Jimmothy> thanks
[09:04] <holycow> SalsaDoom, hehe, yeah well from an engineering perspective a game developer shouldn't haveto worry about 3 different sound servers, and god knows what kind of hardware support.  one card, one api to the media subsystems, and go and create conent
[09:04] <calamari> hi
[09:04] <chavo> Well, I'm not exactly a "gamer". All of the games I like work perfectly for me.
[09:05] <holycow> SalsaDoom, but sure, some nitwit will make it actually work on a general 'os' as was mentioned
[09:05] <azad> how can i add myself to a user-group?
[09:05] <SalsaDoom> holycow: Rubbish. The API should cover the sound servers, hardware, interfaces ,etc
[09:05] <thegreedyturtle> I totally disagree with the statement that gaming should be done on consoles.
[09:05] <chavo> I was pleasantly surprised at how well Half Life 2 runs.
[09:05] <pixil9> anyone have some advice on how to stop puking.. I drank a lot last night lol
[09:05] <Delph> chavo: same here. They just happen to work *a lot better* on designed platforms.
[09:05] <pixil9> i've puked 4 times today
[09:06] <LinuxJones> pixil9, a Whopper with Cheese combo @ BK
[09:06] <Delph> pixil9: advice #1. Stop asking people on IRC for medical advice =:)
[09:06] <Xappe> pixil9: apt-get remove hangover
[09:06] <holycow> pixil9, rofl
[09:06] <chavo> pixil9, eat a hamburger
[09:06] <pixil9> lol
[09:06] <^vir^> Delph, what you forget is consoles are becoming pcs now so a proper console system doesn't exist
[09:06] <holycow> Xappe, haha
[09:06] <pixil9> i just had cereal and it came right back up :9
[09:06] <thegreedyturtle> But you are right about how software devs shouldn't have to jump through hoops to get the hardware to work
[09:06] <pixil9> :(
[09:06] <calamari> I was working in the Gimp, typing some text in an "A" box.. I think I pushed like Shift R or Shift T or a letter around there (maybe Alt, or Ctrl by accident?).  Anyhow.. whatever I pressed completely closed the application without a trace.  It didn't ask me to save or whether I wanted to close or anything.. just POOF! gone.  Please help me figure out how to disable this "feature"
[09:06] <holycow> apt-get install brain
[09:06] <IIIEars> If there is anyone new to linux like me and feels like a they want a feeling for the potential of linux try "torsmo" it is a system monitor that transparently overlays a corner of the desktop - it is tiny resource stingy and ifinitely configurable - it will report on anything you ask it too.
[09:06] <Delph> ^vir^: yes. But they run operating systems that are designed for gaming. They're not operating systems designed for extensible configurablilty.
[09:06] <holycow> calamari, its not a feature, it just crashed
[09:07] <dr_willis> IIIEars,  will it tell me the winning ?lottery  #'s for next week?
[09:07] <holycow> calamari, you just did something it didn't like, try again
[09:07] <Blissex> IIIEars: interesting pointer, Ill have look.
[09:07] <dazzed> IIIEars: thanks for that advertisement...but this is an ubuntu help chat...lets stick to that...plus gkrellm does the same thing...and its more graphical (although i use both)
[09:07] <holycow> calamari, if you find the exact keystroke and sequence to recreate it, post a bug on the gimp website please
[09:07] <calamari> holycow: so it's gimp then?  badly programmed?
[09:07] <IIIEars> you can find it in synaptic a few minutes bending a script and you will will see why linux is so addictive
[09:07] <thegreedyturtle> But you dont *need* an operating system designed for gaming.
[09:07] <flex_> root@ubuntu:/home/flex # apt-get install dchroot debootstrap
[09:07] <flex_> Reading package lists... Done
[09:07] <flex_> Building dependency tree... Done
[09:07] <flex_> E: Couldn't find package dchroot
[09:08] <Delph> thegreedyturtle: but you agree that an OS designed for gaming will be a LOT better at it.
[09:08] <flex_> how do I get dchroot
[09:08] <pixil9> IIIEars, Thanks I've been trying to find this program for a long ass time.
[09:08] <^vir^> Delph, the xbox was designed to take the place of a console & yet it performs poorly & gta san andrios on the ps2 is bad aswell
[09:08] <IIIEars> dazzed - ya got me stuttering - lol
[09:08] <abelli> ciao, does someone here know what burning app is going to be supported in ubuntu?
[09:08] <dazzed> IIIEars: why does torsmo make linux so addictive...they have things like that for windows...and has nothing to do with the linux way of computers
[09:08] <holycow> calamari, on the contrari, gimp is extraordinary and i've done commercial work in it.  there are bugs in all software, it's something you need to expect.  even pshop has bugs
[09:08] <calamari> holycow: thanks .. at least it wasn't something I pushed then :)
[09:08] <calamari> holycow: yeah.. usualyl when an app crashes (at least in Windows) I get some kind of dialog box or explanation
[09:09] <Delph> ^vir^: uhh, yeah. But a bad example of an implementation is not sufficient to disprove a generalisation of an idea.
[09:09] <Tuxicity> Jimmothy, wait, I think i misunderstood your question
[09:09] <madman_> just a quicky, can a stock install of ubuntu access NTFS partitions?
[09:09] <IIIEars> first its free second you can change it to be want *you* want it to be. (wide grin)
[09:09] <holycow> calamari, if you started gimp from command line, you would get an error message too.
[09:09] <thegreedyturtle> Delph: I agree that an OS designed for gaming will be better at it, but not a *lot* better. It's the hardware, man. Consider, the Xbox runs nothing but a stripped down version of Windows 2000. Why is it more powerful than a PS2? 'cuz MS threw a better processor and more ram into it!
[09:09] <Delph> what CPU does an xbox have? somewhere around a celery 700, yes?
[09:10] <calamari> holycow: hmm.. sounds like I need to write a wrapper program for cases like this, then :)
[09:10] <Delph> and incidentally, windows2000 is no better a model for a gaming OS than linux.
[09:10] <^vir^> yes madman_  but it won't be able to write to ntfs & you gotta tell it to mount the drive but yeah basicaly it does have out of the box support for ntfs
[09:10] <holycow> calamari, lol perhaps :)
[09:10] <Jimmothy> Tuxicity: i'm considering adding gnome-terminal and irssi -! to start up, that's why i need them in one
[09:10] <bsmith_> has anybody experienced a long delay between invoking gkrellm and having the window appear?
[09:10] <thegreedyturtle> Dunno, the real reason that it runs equiv to a computer is beacuse it's only got to run at 640 by 400 or whatever a TV is
[09:10] <thegreedyturtle> resolution*
[09:11] <madman_> thanks ^vir^ appreciated :)
[09:11] <Xylene|Linux> anyone know how to remove something from the gnome applications menu?
[09:11] <^vir^> Delph, only consoles that are like consoles are the hand helds
[09:11] <thegreedyturtle> Delph:  I think we are going to start hitting a lot more games that run cross platform with the uptake of C# in gaming development.
[09:11] <Xylene|Linux> i installed fvwm and some other wm's, but i think it was something with fvwm that somehow added this debian menu to the application menu in gnome and i have no idea how to get rid of it
[09:11] <IIIEars> ^vir^ - you just saved me some money.
[09:11] <^vir^> madman_, see ubuntuguide.org so you know the mount command
[09:12] <thegreedyturtle> Delph: But I don't know if C# is worth using for now, it's still got that overhead that game devs want to avoid.
[09:12] <Delph> ^vir^: Linux, Win2k, etc... are based on multi-user, multi-app kernels, that do lots of memory protection etc... A good gaming system, well designed, would run entirely in ring0, forgetting about protected mode context switch overheads, and whole big heaps of other related junk.
[09:12] <Tuxicity> Jimmothy, ok but you want irssi to start inside the gnome-terminal, is that it?
[09:13] <holycow> Xylene|Linux, go to ubuntu website and find info on gnome menu editor, install it and thank Amaranth for that cool tool :)
[09:13] <drcodedd2> Hi all
[09:13] <drcodedd2> I did it
[09:13] <^vir^> Delph, you just summed up a handheld basicaly
[09:13] <Jimmothy> Tuxicity: yeah
[09:13] <drcodedd2> I setup the shorewall
[09:13] <Xylene|Linux> thanks holycow
[09:13] <holycow> drcodedd2, not again? *sigh*
[09:13] <drcodedd2> it now work
[09:13] <Delph> ^vir^: uhhm Yes.
[09:13] <holycow> drcodedd2, j/k!!!
[09:13] <Delph> They do what they do *very well*
[09:13] <holycow> Xylene|Linux, no worries
[09:13] <Amaranth> holycow: bleh, i quit a game so i could see why someone said my name :P
[09:13] <drcodedd2> is there any backup software that is open sorce
[09:13] <drcodedd2> I can use as client server
[09:13] <holycow> Amaranth, rofl :)
[09:13] <drcodedd2> I mean to install it in linux as server and connect to it with client?
[09:14] <^vir^> Delph, lets face it the console market have tried stepping up to the pc market with things
[09:14] <holycow> drcodedd2, yes, bacula seems pretty cool
[09:14] <holycow> check out bacula.org, and the packages are all in repositories
[09:14] <thegreedyturtle> Delph: I think that this is something we'll disagree on, because you seem to want your game system to do games really really well. There's nothing wrong with that in and of itself, but I don't *want* my 200 dollar system do be so simple. I want email and DVDs and mp3s and it to whiten my teeth while I sleep, and our difference is I'm *willing* to give up preformance for that overhead.
[09:14] <holycow> there is a windows client as well
[09:14] <drcodedd2> thanx
[09:14] <drcodedd2> I will check it
[09:15] <drcodedd2> btw:If I want to format ext3 /dev/hdb
[09:15] <Delph> thegreedyturtle: so to return to the start of this argument.... linux is going to have a performance hit over consoles. =:)
[09:15] <drcodedd2> How can I do it?
[09:15] <Xylene|Linux> holycow, i installed that program but it doesn't show the menu. would you like a screenshot of what it is on the menu?
[09:16] <thegreedyturtle> Delph: I won't disagree with that!
[09:16] <^vir^> i do agree that Delph  is partly right a default linux\mac\win is bloated with unneeded rubbish
[09:16] <flex_> is there a way to add media to apt-get so I can get dchroot?
[09:16] <kanuha> can anyone tell me if http://www.kde-look.org/ is up?
[09:16] <holycow> Xylene|Linux, alt/f2, type in menu-editor
[09:17] <Delph> ^vir^: and it's going to be hard to add in a properly configurable, abstracted, fast, extensible way support for all these gaming-related objects without the support of the manufacturers themselves.
[09:17] <holycow> Xylene|Linux, menu editor will show up in apps / system tools when you either restart gnome or restart gnome panel
[09:17] <^vir^> its up kanuha
[09:17] <chavo> kanuha, works for me.
[09:17] <thegreedyturtle> how do i edit mime types again?
[09:17] <kanuha> I get a could not be found error
[09:17] <drcodedd2> I dont see bacula windows client
[09:18] <^vir^> Delph, as soon as linux becomes more of a desktop machine i'm sure companies will start supporting linux
[09:18] <dazzed_> how do u kill a ghost screen name
[09:18] <drcodedd2> k
[09:18] <drcodedd2> found
[09:18] <holycow> bacula-client  <-- whats that?
[09:18] <LinuxJones> drcodedd2, you can use fdisk /dev/hdb or you can install a graphical tool like gparted
[09:18] <holycow> drcodedd2, enaable universed and sudo apt-get update
[09:18] <Xylene|Linux> holycow, that didn't work. i am uploading a screenshot of the menu i am getting
[09:19] <drcodedd2> thanx
[09:19] <holycow> Xylene|Linux, what didn't work?
[09:19] <drcodedd2> fdisk will format it as ext3
[09:19] <holycow> if you installed menu editor, then you can use it no?
[09:19] <^vir^> Delph, tried e17 yet?
[09:19] <LinuxJones> drcodedd2, yeah if you tell it press l and it will list the available types I think it's #83
[09:21] <Xylene|Linux> holycow, when i run the menu editor it doesn't show the menu i am trying to get rid of,http://img200.echo.cx/img200/5301/debianmenu7fe.jpg
[09:21] <Xylene|Linux> err http://img200.echo.cx/img200/5301/debianmenu7fe.jpg so you can click it
[09:21] <holycow> Xylene|Linux, debian?
[09:21] <Xylene|Linux> yeah
[09:22] <holycow> rofl
[09:22] <Xylene|Linux> it wasn't there before
[09:22] <nydust> what packages do i need for to get mysql to work with apache2?
[09:22] <LinuxJones> Xylene|Linux, that's the old crappy/useless Debian Menu :D
[09:22] <holycow> okay well first your in the wrong channel,  but is that gnome2.10 or 2.8?
[09:22] <Xylene|Linux> i installed fvwm and i believe that's when it started showing up
[09:22] <nydust> i cant find any libapache2-mysql package in apt-cache search
[09:22] <Xylene|Linux> well i figured i could ask here, but ok, it's 2.10
[09:22] <holycow> second if it's 2.8 you can't get rid of it,  you can only empty the contents of the submenus
[09:23] <Xylene|Linux> it was right after i installed fvwm it started showing up
[09:23] <holycow> oh not sure then, theoretically its gone from 2.10
[09:23] <XTCboarder> nydust search for mysql
[09:23] <XTCboarder> and view the list
[09:23] <nydust> XTCboarder, i have
[09:23] <XTCboarder> :/
[09:23] <holycow> Xylene|Linux, try the #gnome-debian channel on irc.gnome.org and #debian here
[09:23] <Delph> ^vir^: no; how many people support it =:)
[09:23] <Xylene|Linux> bleh, i'd rather reinstall ubuntu all together than ask those pricks in #debian anything
[09:23] <Xylene|Linux> they're the biggest bunch of snobs on the planet
[09:23] <nydust> XTCboarder, but i dint find any packacges named apache and mysql
[09:23] <LinuxJones> Xylene|Linux, lol
[09:23] <XTCboarder> libapache2-mod-auth-mysql
[09:24] <holycow> Xylene|Linux, hehe :)
[09:24] <FR500> my desktop icons and wallpaper don't show after restarting xserver
[09:24] <nydust> XTCboarder, its installed
[09:24] <Xylene|Linux> you know it's true!
[09:24] <FR500> what can i do?
[09:24] <holycow> Xylene|Linux, they only get a bad rep because of 2 or 3 idiots, too bad they don't ban for poor attitude
[09:24] <XTCboarder> !!
[09:24] <LinuxJones> Xylene|Linux, it's been 3 years since I left #Debian and I don't plan on ever going back
[09:24] <holycow> the rest are cool and very helpfull
[09:24] <XTCboarder> libapache2-mod-php4
[09:24] <XTCboarder> and mysql for php4
[09:24] <XTCboarder> that's the way
[09:25] <Xylene|Linux> LinuxJones, heh, yeah, i used to use debian and go in there for help, i after a while i just said screw it and used gentoo, those people are much friendlier
[09:25] <XTCboarder> php4-mysql
[09:25] <XTCboarder> that's the one nydu
[09:25] <XTCboarder> st
[09:25] <^vir^> well Delph i'm using it without any probs its nice when its finished i bet you any money most will convert over it looks like it could be as good as mac os if not better
[09:26] <Xylene|Linux> is there like a big config file for the gnome menu?
[09:26] <XTCboarder> u alive?
[09:27] <Delph> ^vir^: I shall believe it when I see it =:)
[09:28] <darkling> Is there a known problem with breezy acting as an NFS server?
[09:28] <holycow> darkling, expect problems first because its unreleased ...
[09:29] <holycow> darkling, second you shouldn't be using ubuntu as any type of server, its based on debian unstable and thats just asking for trouble
[09:29] <darkling> holycow: I am expecting problems. I just wanted to know if there was a well-known problem with it.
[09:29] <holycow> never mind that ubuntu has a 'server' dealy at the beginning of the install
[09:29] <darkling> It's not a "production" server.
[09:29] <holycow> darkling, nothing off the top of my head
[09:29] <darkling> I'm just sharing filesystems round my home network.
[09:29] <holycow> *nod* just mentioning, in case of the noob factor
[09:29] <holycow> :)
[09:30] <darkling> Heh.
[09:30] <xukun> are there many peaple using breezy, and ist wise to upgrade now?
[09:30] <holycow> xukun, no and no
[09:30] <darkling> xukun: Probably not, and no. :)
[09:30] <holycow> in that order
[09:30] <dazzed> xukun
[09:30] <dazzed> no
[09:30] <dazzed> lol
[09:30] <xukun> point taken
[09:30] <blackbird_> hello, i have a simple question at least it looks simple, how can you connect to an external usb 2.0 drive?
[09:31] <blackbird_> in device manager i can see the name of the drive but how to reach it?
[09:31] <holycow> blackbird_, plug it in
[09:31] <dazzed> blackbird_: plug it in?
[09:31] <holycow> it will appear as a link on your desktop
[09:31] <blackbird_> it doesn't do that
[09:31] <dazzed> blackbird goto /media
[09:31] <holycow> bad file system?
[09:31] <dazzed> see if its there
[09:31] <blackbird_> it's ntfs
[09:32] <dazzed> ull have to mount it
[09:32] <drcodedd2> any one setup bckula?
[09:32] <holycow> lol i was about to ask, i had that once, i didn't have time to rectify it
[09:32] <holycow> drcodedd2, not yet unfotunately
[09:33] <blackbird_> but how do you mount something? it's not in the /media
[09:33] <blackbird_> sorry first time i try this ;)
[09:33] <montse> hi
[09:33] <drcodedd2> mount /dev/cdrom /any dir
[09:33] <dazzed> u see th dev in your /dev right blackbird?
[09:34] <montse> em podeu dir en quin canal  estic
[09:34] <holycow> montse, what language is that? i don't recognize it
[09:35] <smouche> portuguese I think
[09:35] <xerox> Hi! I have a problem: trying to freezing (via the logout menu) a laptop didn't worked, it completely stopped and I forced a manual poweroff.  Then, hotplug doesn't work anymore!  If some file was corrupted.. is there a way to reinstall that subsystem?
[09:35] <montse> I speak catalan. I want to know in which place am I
[09:35] <blackbird_> i'm checking, if i can find an explorer lol
[09:35] <dazzed> blackbird_: first do this for me goto a term and type 'lsusb' and see if it picks it up
[09:35] <wwalker> I installed ubuntu yesterday from ISO.  Today I ran apt-get update and apt-get upgrade to can any fixes.  It din't upgrade anything.  Are there really no updates at all for HH?
[09:36] <blackbird_> he does find 2 things
[09:36] <blackbird_> 1 my hard drive 2 my mouse
[09:36] <xerox> What if I'll do "apt-get --purge remove hotplug" and "apt-get install hotplug", would I lose some important configuration? If so, how do I reconfigure it?
[09:36] <dazzed> blackbird_: to mount type this sudo mount /dev/*usb dev* /mnt -t ntfs -o umask=0222'
[09:36] <xukun> I dont get update in days now
[09:36] <dazzed> blackbird_: "mount /dev/*usb dev* /mnt -t ntfs -o umask=0222"
[09:37] <SeeleyUSMC> How do you change the login screen's picture?
[09:37] <dazzed> blackbird_: btw you know you cant write to ntfs from ext*
[09:37] <holycow> SeeleyUSMC, system / admin / login screen
[09:37] <LinuxJones> xerox, no you should not have to configure anything but that might not be your problem. Have you searched the forums ?
[09:38] <xerox> LinuxJones, no :( But I think I can't go that way - here's what I get: "The following packages will be REMOVED: gnome-volume-manager hal hal-device-manager hotplug hwdb-client ubuntu-base ubuntu-desktop udev"
[09:38] <xerox> LinuxJones, would it be safe to try? :-\
[09:38] <Sphearion> Samba question :  http://www.pastebin.com/275430 - can someone tell me why the movies and television share will NOT let me access them?
[09:39] <LinuxJones> xerox, you can try it but I would remove ubuntu-desktop as well then re-install that and it should re-install all of the dependencies for you.
[09:39] <blackbird_> hm
[09:39] <blackbird_> should it place an icon or something?
[09:39] <dazzed> Sphearion: dont get me started on samba...it hates people
[09:39] <dazzed> no youll have to direct yourself to where u mounted it
[09:40] <xerox> LinuxJones, also, I get "hal       8475  0.0  0.0      0     0 ?        Z    21:39   0:00 [40-hal-hotplug-]  <defunct>" in the process listings.. maybe that's the problem.
[09:40] <wwalker> I installed ubuntu yesterday from ISO.  Today I ran apt-get update and apt-get upgrade to catch any fixes.  It didn't upgrade anything.  Are there really no updates at all for HH?
[09:40] <kanuha> help, I need help with a hard drive
[09:40] <dazzed> wwalker...have u setup ur sources list
[09:40] <LinuxJones> wwalker, there have been no updates for Hoary that I can remember sine it's release
[09:40] <LinuxJones> since*
[09:41] <blackbird_> i have done something wrong i think ;)
[09:41] <dazzed> blackbird did you do it to /mnt?
[09:41] <dazzed> just goto nautilus and point it to /mnt
[09:41] <dazzed> and it should be there
[09:41] <LinuxJones> xerox, that's not looking good :D
[09:41] <Madeye> guys, I have weird issue, there is a site I can ping and traceroute, but I cant http it?
[09:41] <FR500> what pack in synaptic is the kernel source?
[09:41] <blackbird_> there's nothing in it
[09:41] <Delph> Madeye: maybe it isn't running a http server...
[09:41] <Xappe> nice, i got myself an ubuntu logo instead of the gnome foot next to the applications menu
[09:41] <Nalioth> Madeye perhaps they are not running httpd?
[09:41] <blackbird_> i opened the terminal and typed that sentence
[09:41] <blackbird_> then checked /mnt
[09:42] <dazzed> blackbird_: goto a term and make sure u typed specifcally what i told you
[09:42] <mcphail> Madeye: you may have a nameserver problem
[09:42] <blackbird_> do i need to type the " aswell?
[09:42] <IIIEars> how can i add an application to the menu
[09:42] <Sphearion> dazzed, well if you know what the problem is, a bit of advice would be nice :)
[09:42] <dazzed> blackbird_: and after you hit enter did it give you an error or return u to another comman line
[09:42] <xerox> LinuxJones, what can I do?
[09:42] <dazzed> blackbird_: no "
[09:42] <Delph> mcphail: unlikely if it can resolve the site for ICMP lala.
[09:42] <blackbird_> gave me a bunch of text
[09:42] <mcphail> Delph: not at all. Same discussion the other day on ##linux
[09:42] <Thorrn4> hello FELLOW UBUNTU USERS!!!!!!!!! I have switched to Ubuntu (it is my 2nd Distro; Ive been using Linux for a Month now!!!)
[09:42] <LinuxJones> xerox, your running Hoary right ?
[09:42] <Madeye> mcphail,  can you check this please http://www.easyhttp.com/jad/2005/04/error-haloscancom-and-me.html
[09:43] <dazzed> Sphearion: one day i woke up and my samba wont even load past the Microsoft Windows Network icon...i gave up on it ... after months of it working fine and nothing changed
[09:43] <blackbird_> will typ it again
[09:43] <Delph> mcphail: what situation with nameservers would lead to ICMP messages getting through but not tcp ?
[09:43] <xerox> LinuxJones, right
[09:43] <Sphearion> dazzed, ahh I c
[09:43] <Tuxicity> Thorrn4, wooooohoooo :D
[09:43] <dazzed> blackbird_: sudo mount /dev/*usb dev* /mnt -t ntfs -o umask=0222
[09:43] <xerox> LinuxJones, /etc/init.d/hotplug restart -- and magically my usbdisk paritions were mounted, and opened in gnome
[09:43] <Nalioth> yes, windoze has a way of changing its mind whenever the mood strikes it
[09:44] <mcphail> Delph: Some guy had 2 named nameservers. Only worked for http when they were in the correct order. Don't know why. He could ping etc.
[09:44] <bsmith_> can i configure ubuntu's login screen so that a user can choose a window manager to launch?
[09:44] <wwalker> LinuxJones dazzed Thx.  I just figured I had soemthing broken.  I'm pointed at us.archive.ubuntu.com/hoary-updates.  I get the apt datbaase, just wan't anything to download
[09:44] <jazzka> hi!
[09:44] <dcraven> IIIEars: there is a menu editor in the forums.
[09:44] <XplOzIon> Help: problem with nautilus, when i close it it does open again
[09:44] <Delph> mcphail: any more details on how the nameservers were setup?
[09:44] <jazzka> which is your favourite font for gnome-terminal?
[09:44] <LinuxJones> xerox, I don't know if it is worth trying but can you boot to another kernel just to make sure it's not some issue with that particular kernel + your hardware ?
[09:44] <holycow> dazzed, perhaps you guys upgraded xp to latest service pack or something? hehe :) i read somewhere xp changed something in samaba yet again
[09:44] <kanuha> help, I need help with a hard drive
[09:44] <dcraven> bsmith_: are they not all listed unders sessions in gdm?
[09:45] <Delph> Madeye: can you "telnet hostname.com 80" and type rubbish in and see if it throws back a response?
[09:45] <dazzed> holycow: im serious like i used it the NIGHT BEFORE went to sleep woke up and now its no go...and my NFS doesnt work either
[09:45] <xerox> LinuxJones, sigh, it WAS working. Freezing & manual rebooting fscked it up.
[09:45] <Madeye> Delph, wont respont to telnet I have tried it
[09:45] <Tuxicity> see you all tomorow
[09:45] <dazzed> it just stalls when it tries to load workgroups
[09:45] <dr_willis> im useing XP and Service pack 2. haveing no hassles with samba. :P
[09:45] <blackbird_> doesn't work
[09:45] <dcraven> jazzka: I like Monospace 10.
[09:45] <skyrider> I've created local Ubuntu repository but apt-get refuses to use it because it is not signed. :( How can I sign it, i.e. what tools should I use to create Release and its signed version?
[09:45] <mcphail> Delph: he had one pointing to his router (i.e. correct) and one pointing to an old ISP nameserver which couldn't be resolved via his current ISP. Only worked when he put the router address first.
[09:46] <blackbird_> i do notice when i plug the hd in and out there is a quickbutton "sda1" appearing but disappears again 2 seconds later
[09:46] <bsmith_> dcraven: hmm, i didn't see the option, but perhaps
[09:46] <IIIEars> Thank You dcreaven - (i apologize for not seeing your message sooner.)
[09:46] <dr_willis> i also tend to make linux users with the same username and password on the xp and linux box's and i also am sure to add a smbpasswd for the linux users.
[09:46] <dcraven> bsmith_: that is where it is typically.
[09:46] <Madeye> Delph, telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection timed out
[09:46] <dazzed> blackbird_: are u trying to mount /dev/sda1
[09:46] <dr_willis> http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/samba/chapter/book/  - a Must read book on samba
[09:46] <bsmith_> dcraven: if they weren't, where would i configure gdm to recognize them?
[09:46] <dazzed> is that what u typed?
[09:46] <dcraven> IIIEars: busy channel.
[09:46] <LinuxJones> xerox, argh maybe something did get corrupted, try removing --purge hotplug and re-install again like you were going to try
[09:46] <dcraven> bsmith_: they are there.
[09:47] <xerox> LinuxJones, I'll try without --purge the first time
[09:47] <dazzed> blackbird_: do this for me ...goto your removeable devices/storage option in ur menu...and untick and tick every box that has to do with mounting usb dev....and then unplug the usb dev and plug it back in
[09:47] <LinuxJones> xerox, don't worry you won't mess it up
[09:47] <IIIEars> 530 is very large - must be something to this "Ubuntu" - eh? 9wide grin)
[09:47] <LinuxJones> xerox, by purging
[09:48] <xerox> LinuxJones, even if "ubuntu-desktop" is listed in the package to be removed?
[09:48] <xiaogil> About preg_replace(), how to change my pattern '/abc/i' so that it's only replaced the first time it is found by my replacement string ?
[09:48] <IIIEars> << just realized my keyboard prefers water over soda. - sticky keys
[09:48] <xerox> (With a *, tough)
[09:48] <LinuxJones> xerox, yeah that's ok
[09:48] <bsmith_> dcraven: okay, thanks
[09:49] <Nalioth> xerox you can always replace whatever from command line
[09:49] <LinuxJones> xerox, just install that (ubuntu-desktop) once you have removed hotplug and it will re-install everything for you
[09:49] <Delph> Madeye: even if you use the IP?
[09:49] <IIIEars> bsmith has a nice IP address - impressed
[09:49] <xerox> LinuxJones, I'm doing it
[09:49] <dazzed> blackbird_: u try that?
[09:49] <Thorrn4> I have a questions; I just newly installed Ubuntu on my system; is the account that I created the root account? because I opened the root terminal with my current password (I dont remember if the install process asked me 2 create a root account or a normal account)
[09:49] <xerox> I'd better reboot now, thanks much, let's see what happens.
[09:49] <LinuxJones> xerox, hopefully that will fix you up :)
[09:49] <blackbird_> doesn't work: i am in the /media map, when i unplug my usb and plug it back in a map appears with sda1 (with a small red cross in it) but it's gone again after a few seconds
[09:50] <xerox> LinuxJones, I hope so, thanks anyway
[09:50] <mcphail> Madeye: what do you have in /etc/resolv.conf ?
[09:50] <blackbird_> i tried what you said doesn't work yet (trying with 2 different drives both ntfs)
[09:50] <dazzed> blackbird_: u tried what i said?
[09:50] <Nalioth> Thorn4, ubuntu uses "sudo" like OSX does for your power needs
[09:50] <blackbird_> yep
[09:50] <Madeye> Delph, No, stuck at trying Trying 72.9.234.77...
[09:50] <dazzed> hmmm
[09:50] <dazzed> its gotta be somethign with the drive then if u cant manually mount it and gnome cant do it for u
[09:51] <Delph> Madeye: then you've probably got some crazy filtering in the middle.
[09:51] <Madeye> Delph, but I can ping and traceroute
[09:51] <blackbird_> well one drive is a maxtor one touch
[09:51] <Delph> Madeye: yes
[09:51] <blackbird_> i can see it named as one touch in device manager
[09:51] <Delph> ICMP ping and traceroute are *not* the same packet as a TCP connection to port 80.
[09:51] <Delph> It's possible to block one and not the other.
[09:52] <SeeleyUSMC> Anyone here have an XBOX and Close Combat: First to Fight?
[09:52] <Epix> hello.
[09:52] <Delph> eg your ISP might let you ping anything ,but not connect to that ISP over HTTP or something.
[09:52] <Madeye> Delph, then How to check if is from my side/ my ISP side/ Haloscan itself?
[09:52] <Epix> can i change my WM in ubuntu? I want to use Flux.
[09:53] <dcraven> Epix: install it, then choose it from gdm.
[09:53] <Delph> Madeye: no idea
[09:53] <Delph> ask your ISP ask haloscan itself.
[09:53] <Jet2k5> dcraven, you around?
[09:53] <orp> WM?
[09:53] <Delph> the packets are presumably just getting blackholed somewhere between here and there
[09:53] <Epix> dcraven: what gdm does ubuntu use?
[09:53] <IIIEars> "Window Manager"
[09:53] <dcraven> Jet2k5: periodically.
[09:53] <orp> yes you can
[09:53] <Jet2k5> dcraven, awesome
[09:53] <dcraven> Epix: I think there is only on gdm, no?
[09:53] <Jet2k5> dcraven, I'm having some issues with the windows pluggins to play .wmv
[09:54] <Jet2k5> dcraven, I got totem-xine and w32codecs. and I can't seem to be able to play them
[09:54] <Epix> dcraven: i think theres a few
[09:54] <orp> Epix you can
[09:54] <Madeye> Delph,  anyway thank you, I have sent email to my ISP and haloscan
[09:54] <Thorrn4> can someone help me answer my question?
[09:54] <xerox> Nothing :-(
[09:54] <orp> just apt-get install fluxbox
[09:54] <dcraven> Epix: 2.6.0 is what I have here.
[09:54] <Epix> dcraven: ok
[09:55] <blackbird_> when i plug it in i get the sda1 map so he must find something
[09:55] <blackbird_> i suppose
[09:55] <IIIEars> what is the "apt" command to refresh the database?
[09:55] <blackbird_> (the map is gone again after a few seconds so can't click it)
[09:55] <LinuxJones> Thorrn4, the root account is locked by default
[09:55] <dcraven> Jet2k5: I don't do Windows crap so I'm not sure, sorry.
[09:55] <orp> apt-get update
[09:55] <Epix> well, atm im used to Debian. i admin a small server running it. but i want to make my workstation linuxy.
[09:55] <dcraven> IIIEars: apt-get update?
[09:55] <ryman_> how do I empty trash ?
[09:55] <IIIEars> Ah - Thank You orp.
[09:55] <xerox> LinuxJones, Sigh!
[09:56] <LinuxJones> xerox, :(
[09:56] <dcraven> IIIEars: man apt-get
[09:56] <Thorrn4> oh, ok LinuxJones, thank you
[09:56] <xerox> 10598 ?        Z      0:00 [40-hal-hotplug-]  <defunct>
[09:56] <xerox> 10607 ?        Z      0:00 [40-hal-hotplug-]  <defunct>
[09:56] <IIIEars> "" - dcraven. (linux user for 92 hours now - grin)
[09:56] <LinuxJones> xerox, check the forums I am sure you not the only one with that problem
[09:57] <orp> IIIEars mate nex time make apt-get
[09:57] <Epix> and, i have a HP printer connected to my copmputer by a lan. the computer plugs right into the lan. i needed to use the CD to intall it on my win box, but can i print from ubun
[09:57] <blackbird_> any more idea's dazzed? ;)
[09:57] <orp> and it gueave you options
[09:57] <Thorrn4> is there a built in firewall in Ubuntu that will load everytime the system loads?
[09:57] <dcraven> IIIEars: nice.
[09:57] <IIIEars> < have been online for about 7 hours today alone - linux is addictive
[09:57] <dazzed> blackbird_: nope :(
[09:57] <] BreliC[> anyone know which setting i have to tweak in Apache so that the domain name appears instead of the IP?
[09:57] <squareff> is there any possibility to set xkb to generate two (or more) symbols by just one keystroke?
[09:57] <] BreliC[> in the URL bar i mean
[09:58] <dcraven> IIIEars: you should stick around and help some newbs ;P
[09:58] <LinuxJones> Thorrn4, you can use iptables but there is a nice gui called firestarter that you should probably use
[09:58] <orp> and some one now how sniff a switch network?
[09:58] <blackbird_> i do have a cdrom cdrom0 floppy and floppy0 (don't know if they are supposed to be twice in it)
[09:58] <geargolem> enable dri in mesaglide/ hoary?
[09:58] <malte> cdrom and floppy are only symlinks
[09:58] <IIIEars> dcraven - Will i ever have to reboot this computer? it's eerie it just goes and goes - Windows was -never- like this.
[09:58] <malte> blackbird_, ^--
[09:58] <dazzed> do u only have 1 cdrom and floppy?
[09:59] <dazzed> oh well yeah theres supposed to be 2
[09:59] <dcraven> IIIEars: only to boot into a new kernel.
[09:59] <dazzed> 0 and no numbers is the same
[09:59] <malte> lrwxrwxrwx   1 root root    6 Mar 15 15:33 cdrom -> cdrom0/
[09:59] <nufan> What file controls the default file manager?
[09:59] <Jet2k5> dcraven, well it's not generally only windows I get the same thing with other formats like .avi
[09:59] <IIIEars> amazing.
[09:59] <blackbird_> i don't have a floppy at all ;)
[09:59] <blackbird_> (it's a laptop)
[09:59] <malte> nufan, in gnome?
[09:59] <nufan> Yes
[09:59] <dazzed> well my floppy doesnt work or mount but it still picks it up
[09:59] <nufan> I want to change natilus to enlightenment
[10:00] <malte> nufan, there should be something like "preferred applications" somewhere in the config menu
[10:00] <LinuxJones> Thorrn4, there is a setup it will ask you questions when you first run Firestarter
[10:00] <geargolem> How to enable dri on mesaglide/hoary?
[10:00] <nufan> malte: that has 'Web Browser', 'Mail Reader' and 'Terminal' is all
[10:00] <blackbird_> certain i'm doing something wrong, 2 different drives and one touch is a know external drive so i reckon it should work no?
[10:01] <KKXX> how to nokia 6100 and linux?
[10:01] <dazzed> well if ur doing what i told u both ways...then its nto you
[10:01] <dazzed> its the drive
[10:02] <blackbird_> i typed the exact sentence in my terminal and gave me a lot of text (no errors)
[10:02] <kanuha> help, I need help with a hard drive
[10:02] <mcphail> Which is the best repository for XFCE? the one with hoary or the one from os-works.com?
[10:02] <geargolem> enable DRI in hoary?
[10:02] <Nalioth> it
[10:03] <Thorrn4> LinuxJones, is iptables built into Ubuntu
[10:03] <Xappe> hmm, where is bin2iso? i can't find it in the repos
[10:03] <Nalioth> 's all greek to me, my ubuntu box is an Apple iBook
[10:03] <dazzed> blackbird_: what kinda text
[10:03] <dazzed> it should just send u straight to a nother term lin
[10:03] <dazzed> e
[10:03] <malte> nufan, oh, my bad. then i dunno
[10:03] <Nalioth> Xappe do you mean bchunk?
[10:03] <NigelS> Thorrn4: naturally
[10:04] <KKXX> ludzie kto z kraju hihhih
[10:04] <Xappe> Nalioth: i mean the too to convert cue/bin to iso
[10:04] <LinuxJones> Thorrn4, it in the kernel yeah but it uses the cli or write a script to tell it what to do
[10:04] <Xappe> *tool
[10:04] <blackbird_> "a device can be given by name, say /dev/hda1"
[10:04] <blackbird_> etc
[10:04] <Nalioth> Xappe i believe the app is called binchunker or binchunk or something like that
[10:04] <Thorrn4> I never knew that....I very new 2 Linux
[10:04] <kanuha> Is this a correct command in fstab for a fat32 drive ?  /dev/hdd1       /spare          vfat    unmask=000      0       0
[10:04] <dazzed> that means your dev isnt even getting established
[10:04] <LinuxJones> Thorrn4, install Firestarter it's very easy to use
[10:04] <blackbird_> for many more details, say man 8 mount
[10:04] <blackbird_> that's the last sentencde
[10:04] <blackbird_> -d
[10:05] <dazzed> blackbird_: did u do that 'lsusb' thing
[10:05] <Xappe> Nalioth: ah, ok. I thought it was bin2iso, thanks
[10:05] <nufan> Anyone know how to change the default window manager?
[10:05] <blackbird_> yep
[10:05] <dazzed> when they are plugged in
[10:05] <LinuxJones> Thorrn4, >> http://www.fs-security.com/
[10:05] <dazzed> whats it return
[10:05] <blackbird_> Bus 001 Device 009: ID 0d49:7000 Maxtor
[10:05] <Thorrn4> what is the root password?
[10:05] <dr_willis> nufan,  you mean to cange it in gnome? or change the default to KDE or Fluxbox for the user to login to?
[10:05] <dazzed> hmmm
[10:05] <orp> RFM
[10:05] <dazzed> i dunno what to tell u blackbird_ sorry
[10:05] <nufan> Natilus --> Enlightenment
[10:06] <geargolem> How do enable sharks with frickin lasers on their heads in hoary?
[10:06] <Nalioth> Xappe Thorrn4 the root pwd is your pwd
[10:06] <dr_willis> nufan,  Hmm Natulus is a file manager.. and Enlightenment is a Windowmanager.. 2 different things.
[10:06] <dazzed> geargolem: /enable/sharks-with_lazers
[10:06] <blackbird_> i will continue searching then ;)
[10:06] <Epix> hmm... isnt there no root in Ubuntu
[10:06] <Nalioth> Thorrn4 the root pwd is your pwd
[10:06] <nufan> willis: Sorry
[10:06] <geargolem> thanks dazzed
[10:06] <flames> hi, how can i mount a ext3 particion to /data writeable by all users? i try this (fstab): /dev/hda6 /data ext3 defaults 0 0 but i can't write as normal user
[10:06] <blackbird_> thanks
[10:07] <geargolem> dazzed, how about dri?
[10:07] <Epix> and can Ubuntu be multiuser?
[10:07] <LinuxJones> Thorrn4, you use sudo -s (enter your user password) to get to a root console
[10:07] <dr_willis> flames,  for an ext3 partion you need to chmod all the files and dirs i do beluve
[10:07] <Thorrn4> so in the terminal...Im already a root? or no?
[10:07] <Xappe> Nalioth: ehm?
[10:07] <nufan> I'm not exactly intelligent in these things :P
[10:07] <dr_willis> Epix,  yes. easially.
[10:07] <LinuxJones> Epix, it is
[10:07] <dcraven> nufan: If you want to change Metacity for Enlightenment, you should be able to pull it off with "killall metacity && enlightenment&"
[10:07] <Nalioth> Xappe try this here dmg2iso  http://vu1tur.eu.org/tools/
[10:07] <dr_willis> Epix,  just add more users. :P
[10:07] <Epix> ok, but there is no root.. only sudo?
[10:07] <Xappe> Nalioth: i'll try bchunk first
[10:07] <Nalioth> Xappe you are now better off for burning stuff
[10:07] <dr_willis> Epix,  ther is root. its just sort of locked down.
[10:07] <dazzed> flames_: sudo mount /dev/*dev* /mnt -o umask=0222
[10:07] <nufan> dc: Thanks, but how would I change it back to Metacity?
[10:07] <LinuxJones> Epix, root is locked
[10:08] <dcraven> nufan: then save your session when you logout, and it will become default.
[10:08] <Epix> dr_willis: how is it locked?
[10:08] <noiz> have the ubuntu 5.04 cds shipped yet, or when will they be shipped?
[10:08] <Nalioth> the dmg2iso is for idiot apple users who put their stuff out in "disk image" format instead of rar zip iso, etc
[10:08] <dcraven> nufan: killall enlightenment && metacity&
[10:08] <kanuha> flames, try /dev/hda6 /data ext3 unmask=000 0 0
[10:08] <nufan> aaaah
[10:08] <geargolem> hi dcraven,  enable dri in hoary?
[10:08] <nufan> I'll try that
[10:08] <flames> umask not work (only fat)
[10:08] <dr_willis> Epix,  you cant directly login to root. :P but thats easially changed.
[10:08] <dcraven> geargolem: huh?
[10:08] <mcphail> nufan: I can help you change window manager (I think), but not file manager
[10:09] <Epix> dr_willis: can you sudo su?
[10:09] <flames> drwxrwxrwx    2 root root  4096 2005-04-24 20:08 data
[10:09] <geargolem> How can I enable DRI in Hoary, dcraven?
[10:09] <kent> Has any one installed wordpress from ubuntu? I want to know what step is needed to make it fully work. Or more excactly, to make it use translations. I saved a .mo file in wp-includes/languages/  but I cant get it to use it :(
[10:09] <stazich> hey, is anyone using WindowMaker in ubuntu?
[10:09] <dcraven> geargolem: It probably depends on your video hardware.
[10:09] <dr_willis> Epix,   yes.. or you could 'sudo passwd'  :P and set the password for root.
[10:09] <Thorrn4> what would I do? "apt-get install firestarter"?
[10:09] <kanuha> flames: thanks you solved my problem
[10:10] <flames> ?
[10:10] <dcraven> wife wants attention... biab
[10:10] <Epix> dr_willis: haha. so its designed with newbies in mind?
[10:10] <LinuxJones> Thorrn4, do you have the universe repository enabled ?
[10:10] <kanuha> flames: I had unmask instead of umask
[10:10] <nufan> dcraven: It came up with the box about editing start up files
[10:10] <nufan> I don't want to do that without knowing how to change it back
[10:11] <mcphail> nufan: you can change window managers in the configuration editor
[10:11] <noiz> have the ubuntu 5.04 cds shipped yet, or when will they be shipped?
[10:11] <blackbird_> ok you can't play a dvd with a clean install of ubuntu? ;)
[10:11] <nufan> mcphail: Where is that?
[10:11] <Thorrn4> what is that LinuxJones?
[10:12] <LinuxJones> blackbird_, www.ubuntuguide.org see restricted formats
[10:12] <geargolem> dcraven, SiS 630/730 PCI/AGP VGA Display Adapter
[10:12] <Epix> how big is the Ubuntu community and how long has it been around?
[10:12] <Nalioth> blackbird no dvd, mp3 or other 'closed' formats
[10:12] <LinuxJones> Thorrn4, that is a repository with thousands of applications like Firestarter in it
[10:12] <Epix> and how do they afford to give out free CDs?
[10:12] <mcphail> Applications -> System Tools -> Configuration editor -> desktop -> gnome -> apps -> window manager
[10:12] <elmaya> they are rich ppl
[10:12] <LinuxJones> Thorrn4, goto www.ubuntuguide.org it tells you how to add the repository
[10:12] <dcraven> Epix: Quite big, ~6 months, and the founding father is a gazillionaire.
[10:13] <wdh> does anyone know wether pci 3200 ddr ram fits in a motherboard which uses 2700 ddr ram by default?? is there any form of backwards compatibility there?
[10:13] <LinuxJones> Epix, because Mark Shuttleworth is a millionair 500 times over :)
[10:13] <LinuxJones> millionaire*
[10:13] <thegreedyturtle> The CEO of canonical was the guy who payed x million dollars to go to space
[10:13] <Epix> LinuxJones: and what happens if he dont want to support the project anymore
[10:13] <dcraven> 20 million.
[10:13] <pilo> anybody an idea why my ubuntu freezes two of three boots with starting the hotplug-system? the pc is about six years old and has no strane hardware in it i think *g
[10:13] <Xappe> if you can afford space travel, you can afford shipping some cd:s
[10:13] <nufan> mcphail: thanks muchly
[10:13] <nufan> I'llt ry that
[10:13] <thegreedyturtle> Then the community suppourts it
[10:14] <Epix> ok
[10:14] <dcraven> Epix: like most other distrobutions.
[10:14] <holycow> Epix, i think they mostly do it for the third world countries ... internet connectivity is abysmal in africa for example, 56k is considered a luxure in lots of places and when available is very inconsistent.  cheaper to send cd than dl
[10:14] <thegreedyturtle> Canonical just gives ubuntu a kick in the pants for it's suppourt
[10:14] <Epix> so it does have a good community base
[10:14] <thegreedyturtle> Canonical doesn't actually own or maintain ubuntu
[10:14] <blackbird_> oki thanks
[10:14] <thechitowncubs> I have a problem on my Dell Inspiron 1100, the display only shows video in the center of the screen, but the reso. is set to 1024x768... I have read somewhere that I need to specify the monitor model but where can I do that?
[10:14] <blackbird_> need a reboot, brb
[10:14] <holycow> Epix, not only that, you can buy support from canonical i believe
[10:14] <dcraven> Epix: check out how many people are in this channel alone.
[10:15] <Thorrn4> where can I find this "universe repository enabled"?
[10:15] <Epix> dcraven: noice
[10:15] <thegreedyturtle> thechitowncubs: in your xorg.conf file, be sure and research before you diddle with it, and back it up as well
[10:15] <thechitowncubs> isn't there some sort of xorg config gui?
[10:15] <Epix> dcraven: and will it run fastishly on a AMD athlon 1GhZ
[10:15] <dcraven> Epix: not to mention the #kubuntu and multi-language channels... And people who don't do IRC.
[10:15] <LinuxJones> Epix, he is in it for the long haul :)
[10:16] <kanuha> Thorn: this will answer almost all of your questions.  http://ubuntuguide.org/
[10:16] <dcraven> Epix: I run it on that same setup. Runs faster on that than this 2.8GHz Celeron.
[10:16] <thegreedyturtle> thechitowncubs: there's some autoconfigurators out there, but they run from the command line with a terminal 'gui'
[10:16] <thechitowncubs> If you have already upgraded to BIOS A29 (or newer), then you won't have any trouble Redhat 9's XFree86 hardware autodetection. Just remember to specify the monitor type when asked, or run redhat-config-xfree86 after installation has completed. The monitor is a "Dell 1024X notebook display" and you must specify it.
[10:16] <kanuha> Thorrn4: this will answer almost all of your questions.  http://ubuntuguide.org/
[10:16] <preglow> i'm trying to install breezy, and get an error with package base-files trying to overwrite /lib64, which is also in package lsb-core, any pointers on how to fix?
[10:16] <thechitowncubs> Thats what I was reading
[10:16] <mcphail> Anyone using Xfce?
[10:16] <Nalioth> preglow are you jumpng the gun a wee little bit?
[10:16] <Epix> i hate windows... network connections are so wierd... I WANT TO GO ifconfig eth0 up/down
[10:16] <preglow> Nalioth: i might
[10:16] <Epix> :P
[10:17] <FR500> where is the kernel source installed?
[10:17] <preglow> but i really want gcc4, damnit :P
[10:17] <Nalioth> preglow i havent even found the repository addy for breezy
[10:17] <thechitowncubs> thegreedyturtle: what do you think I should do?
[10:17] <dcraven> FR500: /usr/src
[10:17] <Epix> how big is a standard ubun install
[10:17] <preglow> Nalioth: it's the same as before, just s/hoary/breezy/
[10:18] <Nalioth> preglow, ok
[10:18] <dcraven> Epix: you have more questions than the 5 year old next door.. haha
[10:18] <kanuha> anyone known why I can't seem to get to www.kde-look.org/  when others say it is up?
[10:18] <dantheman> Epix: 1.8 gigs
[10:18] <dcraven> ;)
[10:18] <Thorrn4> to download Firestarter, http://packages.debian.org/unstable/admin/firestarter.html ....which file choice, do i choose?
[10:18] <Epix> lol
[10:18] <Nalioth> although i'm sure i'll break the pixels right off this ibook if i up to breezy.. .. ..
[10:18] <dcraven> Epix: why is the sky blue?
[10:19] <kanuha> anyone known why I can't seem to get to www.kde-look.org/  when others say it is up?
[10:19] <thegreedyturtle> dcraven: because blue is the longest wavelength of visible light
[10:19] <LinuxJones> Thorrn4, don't install from Debian repositories
[10:19] <thegreedyturtle> dcraven: techically the sky is all colors, but they all mash together and get overlayed by the blue
[10:20] <FR500> dcraven, should there be a linux-2.6.10 dir there?
[10:20] <dcraven> thegreedyturtle: yeah yeah ;P.. In a channel of geeks I knew someone would actually answer, then we'd debate.. lol
[10:20] <FR500> there is not in mine}
[10:20] <Epix> dcraven: because of certain gasses in the stratosphere
[10:20] <thegreedyturtle> XD
[10:20] <thechitowncubs> Ah, I found the soltution
[10:20] <thechitowncubs> on the forums
[10:20] <dcraven> FR500: if you want the source, install the linux-source package from apt.
[10:20] <thechitowncubs> i love the ubuntu forums
[10:20] <neofeed> liroth, well... Okay so once you are here I hope you can figure out how to get the help of the community. I really need my sleep. Good night bud!
[10:20] <FR500> i did
[10:20] <noiz> have the ubuntu 5.04 cds shipped yet, or when will they be shipped?
[10:20] <FR500> dcraven, i did
[10:20] <svyatogor> hi people! a small and dumb question. i decided to try ubuntu, but without gnome bloat, so I installed piece by piece with openbox env. now the question - how do I get OpenOffice use those nice gtk2 widgets? (yes, openoffice.org-gtk-gnome is installed!)
[10:20] <LinuxJones> Thorrn4, >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[10:21] <Epix> FR500: or, if you just want the kernel you can get the kernel-image package...
[10:21] <dcraven> FR500: then there is a source tarball there right? In /usr/src?
[10:21] <dcraven> FR500: the source is in that tarball.
[10:21] <FR500> dcraven, only rpm dir
[10:21] <dcraven> FR500: doh?
[10:21] <FR500> yes
[10:22] <LinuxJones> Thorrn4, when you get those changes made to the config file it's sudo apt-get update && apt-get install firestarter
[10:23] <thegreedyturtle> thechitowncubs: sorry it took so long to track this down, but after you backup your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file run the command dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:23] <mcphail> Blue sky: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diffuse_sky_radiation
[10:23] <thegreedyturtle> thechitowncubs: ah, i see you found it
[10:23] <thechitowncubs> ya
[10:23] <dcraven> FR500: sudo apt-get install linux-source-2.6.10
[10:23] <thechitowncubs> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=22936&highlight=inspiron+1100
[10:24] <dcraven> FR500: I'm sure that gets the source tarball... So I thought.
[10:24] <thegreedyturtle> :)
[10:24] <Thorrn4> LinuxJones, in the Root Terminal?
[10:24] <FR500> dcraven, did exactly the same
[10:25] <FR500> now it's there, only appears as root
[10:25] <FR500> sorry about that
[10:25] <LinuxJones> Thorrn4, open a terminal and type that command in then enter your user password when prompted
[10:25] <melodie> does someone know in Hoary installer : ntfsresize v1.9.4 belongs to ntfstools or ntfstools-udeb package ?
[10:25] <dcraven> FR500: only appears as root? That's even weirder!
[10:25] <FR500> as fakeroot
[10:26] <Thorrn4> LinuxJones, "su: Authentication failure" I used the same password
[10:26] <dcraven> FR500: well that's interesting.
[10:26] <venkman> how do i apply the linux-patch-ubuntu-2.6.10 to my current linux-source-2.6.10 without using kpkg because i don't want to compile.
[10:26] <FR500> lol
[10:26] <LinuxJones> melodie, apt-cache search ntfsresize comes back with ntfsprogs
[10:26] <LinuxJones> Thorrn4, your in the account that you used to install Ubuntu ?
[10:27] <dcraven> Doesn't linux-source already include the patchset?
[10:27] <LinuxJones> Thorrn4, no it's sudo
[10:27] <nydust> why dont i see the icons on my desktop, i have enabled it in the configuration editor
[10:27] <decon> why is it that ubuntu is so crappy at updating its apps ?
[10:27] <Thorrn4> yea, LinuxJones the same account; the only account
[10:27] <LinuxJones> decon, because it's frozen as stable
[10:27] <venkman> dcraven does it?
[10:27] <dcraven> nydust: by default, there are no icons there until you put them there.
[10:27] <melodie> LinuxJones: ntfsprogs is not in the list of packages in Bugzilla
[10:27] <dcraven> venkman: I'm not sure, but I've always assumed so.
[10:27] <nydust> dcraven, i have alot of icons, it was there but not anymore
[10:28] <melodie> I write unknown and that's it  :)
[10:28] <decon> LinuxJones, that means :P?
[10:28] <venkman> dcraven: how about getting my current kernel config file?
[10:28] <dcraven> nydust: try to kill nautilus so that it restarts.
[10:28] <LinuxJones> decon, there are only updates for security/serious issues with any software in the Stable version
[10:28] <dcraven> venkman: I don't understand that question.
[10:29] <venkman> nm
[10:29] <dcraven> venkman: your current config is in /boot
[10:29] <venkman> ./boot/config-2.6.10-5-k7
[10:29] <melodie> LinuxJones: yes it is! my mistake, and thanks
[10:29] <LinuxJones> melodie, :)
[10:29] <dcraven> venkman: Okay. You found it.
[10:30] <decon> LinuxJones, Okay its becuz why dont I get the "new" firefox 1.0.3 :S? i think its pretty weird
[10:30] <nydust> dcraven, strange it worked, but it doesent work even i i restart x
[10:30] <nydust> seems like it always hangs
[10:30] <LinuxJones> decon, let's hope they find a major bug in the version in Hoary so that it will be updated :)
[10:31] <dcraven> nydust: it works if you type "killall nautilus"?
[10:31] <decon> LinuxJones, sorry im pretty new to all this hehe :) please tell me more if you want of cuz ;)
[10:31] <Thorrn4> can someone please just help me? I just want to know how to install Firestarter, "apt-get install" Firestarter does not work
[10:31] <Airo> Hey, is wine supposed to be in the repo?
[10:32] <Airo> Can't find it
[10:32] <LinuxJones> decon, have you checked out www.ubuntuguide.org there is tons of great info for the new Ubuntu user
[10:32] <FR500> i was following an fbsplash howto and it says i need ncurses-devel, but that is not in any repositories
[10:32] <FR500> arghh this is getting to complicated
[10:32] <LinuxJones> Thorrn4, it's firestarter not Firestarter
[10:32] <Vanilia> how i can open .bin file?
[10:32] <mcphail> decon: it is easy to add firefox 1.0.3 - just not by apt-get
[10:33] <decon> LinuxJones, yes i have... and i've added all the mirrors or what you call it :) but i think WEIRD that it doesnt show firefox 1.0.3 or gaim 1.2.1 in APT :S
[10:33] <LinuxJones> Vanilia, if it's a program to install jsut cd to the directory and sh file.bin
[10:33] <dcraven> Airo: it's in universe.
[10:33] <decon> mcphail, inn0 :)
[10:33] <Thorrn4> root@dynamo:/home/roger # apt-get install firestarter
[10:33] <Thorrn4> Reading package lists... Done
[10:33] <Thorrn4> Building dependency tree... Done
[10:33] <Thorrn4> E: Couldn't find package firestarter
[10:33] <Vanilia> ok
[10:33] <Airo> dcraven, still can't see it tho
[10:33] <Airo> I have universe and multiverse too
[10:34] <thenuke> Thorrn4: apt-get install firestarter works
[10:34] <LinuxJones> Thorrn4, apt-get update
[10:34] <Vanilia> how about .tbz?
[10:34] <Airo> I'm on a mac tho
[10:34] <thenuke> Thorrn4: atleast so says ubuntuguide.org
[10:34] <dcraven> Airo: did you apt-get update after you added the universe repo?
[10:34] <thenuke> Thorrn4: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#firestarter
[10:34] <Airo> dcraven, of course
[10:34] <dcraven> Airo: Oh.. Dunno if wine works on ppc.
[10:34] <Thorrn4> what is the http://www.ubuntuguide.org/ ?!
[10:34] <Airo> hmpf..
[10:34] <dcraven> Airo: I gotta ask :)
[10:34] <Airo> ok :)
[10:34] <svyatogor> so, noone seems to know about openoffice + gtk2 issue?!
[10:35] <Nalioth> wine does not work on ppc
[10:35] <dcraven> thank you Nalioth
[10:35] <Airo> damn that then :/
[10:35] <Airo> That's what I needed the most
[10:35] <Vanilia> i don understand how i can install programs to linux:DDD allways "unknown file type or something"
[10:35] <thenuke> what would be some console-tool for managing firewall easily?
[10:35] <Nalioth> airo, its Virtual PC or bochs<cringe>
[10:35] <dcraven> Vanilia: use synaptic if possible.
[10:35] <Airo> Nalioth, :)
[10:36] <Airo> rather not
[10:36] <gingermark> Hey, still relatively new to Ubuntu & Linux in general, and a couple of programs that did work have now stopped, namely xmms and the frozen-bubble game (!) - tried reinstalling them but this hasn't helped. Anyone have any ideas what might be wrong?
[10:36] <Vanilia> synaptic?
[10:36] <Airo> Maybe darwine will evolve ;)
[10:36] <Airo> thenuke, vim
[10:36] <Airo> :)
[10:36] <venkman> ahh
[10:36] <thenuke> Airo: not an easy way
[10:36] <dcraven> Vanilia: System-->Administration --> Synaptic Package Manager
[10:36] <venkman> the 2.6.10 sources ARE prepatched.
[10:36] <venkman> rawr
[10:36] <Thorrn4> root@dynamo:/home/roger # sudo apt-get install firestarter
[10:36] <Thorrn4> Reading package lists... Done
[10:36] <Thorrn4> Building dependency tree... Done
[10:36] <Thorrn4> E: Couldn't find package firestarter
[10:36] <Thorrn4> it did not work
[10:36] <FR500> is there an equivalent to menuconfig?
[10:37] <thenuke> Thorrn4: you did not read that guide? did you?
[10:37] <Nalioth> airo it sucks for me, i don't have any intel hardware, just ppc
[10:37] <Nalioth> so lots of this good stuff won't work for me
[10:37] <obsdKraute> firestarter is in universe I think
[10:37] <dcraven> Thorrn4: it's in universe.
[10:37] <Airo> Nalioth, neither do I
[10:37] <thenuke> Thorrn4: follow every line in there.http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#firestarter
[10:37] <obsdKraute> I have it installed
[10:37] <dcraven> venkman: good to know... Thanks.
[10:37] <Airo> well, I've the server box but I'm gonna get rid of it
[10:37] <dcraven> FR500: equivalent?
[10:37] <kanuha> anyone known why I can't seem to get to www.kde-look.org/  when others say it is up?
[10:37] <thenuke> Thorrn4: start from point 2.  "how to add extra repositories"
[10:37] <Thorrn4> IM EXTREMELY NEW TO LINUX....no one is helping me; I cannot get what ANY one is saying
[10:38] <Airo> Actually I would've needed wine to test AutoCAD on it
[10:38] <dcraven> FR500: menuconfig comes with the kernel.
[10:38] <obsdKraute> is it installing cleanly?  It failed on my brother's iLamp
[10:38] <Airo> but.. uhmm.. darwine is one possibility on osx
[10:38] <FR500> dcraven, well something doesnt work
[10:38] <obsdKraute> but works on my ibook and iMac DV
[10:38] <Airo> Prolly won't work tho
[10:38] <venkman> dcraven: dont' cross the stream.s
[10:38] <thenuke> Thorrn4: I am helping you, so dont say that no-one is.
[10:38] <FR500> dcraven, it says i need ncurses-devel to use it
[10:38] <dcraven> venkman: huh?
[10:38] <Airo> obsdKraute, what working?
[10:38] <thenuke> Thorrn4: I'm just asking you to read that guide, and do exactly as it tells you to do
[10:38] <Nalioth> airo, what do you want to do?
[10:38] <Airo> Nalioth, cad? :)
[10:39] <dcraven> FR500: yes, menuconfig is a curses app.. Install ncurses-dev and it will work.
[10:39] <kanuha> Thorrn4: this site will help you out.  http://ubuntuguide.org/
[10:39] <venkman> dcraven: ghostbusters?
[10:39] <Airo> Well, I don't mean to do it. My cousin would
[10:39] <FR500> dcraven, that is not available in my repositories by default
[10:39] <FR500> well everything is screwed today, i give up
[10:39] <obsdKraute> firestarter on my ibook and iMac DV works, but not on a iLamp
[10:39] <Nalioth> airo, not sure if any cad progs exist for linux, tho i'm sure there are
[10:39] <dcraven> venkman: I remember the reference, but not the relevence.. I'm a little dense :)
[10:39] <Airo> They're considering a mac and I'm trying to find if it's possible to run autocad on it somehow
[10:39] <Nalioth> boy am i confrused?
[10:40] <Airo> And it HAS to be autocad because her school uses it :/
[10:40] <obsdKraute> last I checked anyway
[10:40] <mcphail> Airo: is qemu any use?
[10:40] <thegreedyturtle> Thorrn4: I got something for you, if you're interested
[10:40] <Nalioth> airo, cad on linux or OSX?
[10:40] <dcraven> FR500: no worries.. How about ncurses-bin?
[10:40] <Airo> Nalioth, well vectorworks on osx.. but I guess it won't do
[10:40] <FR500> dcraven, it's installed
[10:40] <Airo> mcphail, kinda tricky
[10:40] <obsdKraute> got to go
[10:40] <dcraven> FR500: or maybe libncurses5-dev
[10:41] <FR500> that did it
[10:41] <dcraven> FR500: I forget which one I had to install first now.. hehe
[10:41] <venkman> coding with curses lib is the suck
[10:41] <mcphail> Airo: that's how i've found it too :)
[10:41] <dcraven> FR500: good.
[10:41] <obsdKraute> before I do though, where is the multimedia kernel?
[10:41] <gingermark> Anyone have any ideas why progs might suddenly stop working? Synaptic hasn't suggested any dependency problems, and the programs used to work! Thanks :-)
[10:41] <Airo> mcphail, yeah :)
[10:41] <Nalioth> check qemu, but but i think y'all will be lacking the x86 for it
[10:41] <Airo> Why isn't there a ubuntu ppc specific channel btw?
[10:41] <eruin> anyone know the default webmin username/password?
[10:41] <dcraven> FR500: My biggest issue with Ubuntu is that that stuff is not installed by default.. Not even gcc for cryin' out loud...
[10:42] <obsdKraute> is anyone using the -mm kernel?
[10:42] <Nalioth> airo, that is a good question
[10:42] <dcraven> FR500: you have installed "build-essential" right?
[10:42] <Airo> I joined #ubuntu-ppc and mean to stick there..
[10:42] <FR500> dcraven, yes i do, now i have to find there initial ramdisk and framebuffer somewhere on those menus
[10:42] <Vanilia> hmm... i wanna install counter-strike dedicated server (dedicated.bin) so do i burn it to cd?
[10:42] <Airo> Maybe ppl will gather around :)
[10:42] <stazich> hey
[10:42] <dcraven> FR500: enjoy :)
[10:43] <obsdKraute> guess not
[10:43] <FR500> dcraven, :|
[10:43] <FR500> hehe
[10:43] <Epix> whats a good mp3/cd player taht i can apt-get?
[10:43] <dcraven> brb
[10:43] <Epix> something winamp like... but without the win
[10:43] <spiral> Epix: xmms ?
[10:44] <stazich> does anyone know the configurations of a cdplayer in ubuntu warty on an iMac? thing is the cdplayer wont playback the sound.. i heard before it would be due to the fact that there is no wire connecting cd drive and soundcard..
[10:44] <Epix> spiral: ok, ill checkit out
[10:44] <dcraven> Epix: beep-media-player smells of winamp a bit.
[10:44] <spiral> dcraven: xmms too, isn't it ?
[10:44] <spiral> (dunno... I don't use winamp :-p)
[10:44] <dcraven> spiral: it's essentially xmms with gtk2.
[10:44] <paulproteus> stazich: What program are you using for playing?
[10:44] <stazich> xmms
[10:45] <spiral> dcraven: allright..
[10:45] <paulproteus> stazich: Two things I should say.
[10:45] <stazich> ?
[10:45] <eruin> anyone here use webmin?
[10:45] <gingermark> Speaking of xmms....
[10:45] <paulproteus> First of all, beep-media-player is a drop-in replacement for XMMS that is just plain better.
[10:45] <gingermark> ....anyone have any ideas why it might just stop working?
[10:46] <paulproteus> stazich: Secondly, http://forums.fedoraforum.org/archive/index.php/t-21338.html
[10:46] <paulproteus> Look for the phrase "digital audio extraction".
[10:46] <paulproteus> You want that on.
[10:46] <Epix> how can i run gnome/KDE apps on Flux
[10:46] <stazich> well i am trying to configure XMMs...
[10:46] <Quest-Master> Can anyone tell me why I keep on getting this error when trying to install libmono-dev?
[10:46] <Quest-Master> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[10:46] <Quest-Master>   libmono-dev: Depends: libmono0 (= 1.0.5-1) but 1.0.5-0-4.10ubp1 is to be installed
[10:46] <paulproteus> stazich: I know.  Please read the link I gave you on fedoraforum.
[10:46] <stazich> thx
[10:46] <gunny> anyone running iTunes on Crossover Office?
[10:46] <Nalioth> Epix, from command line?
[10:48] <farruinn> epix, you mean fluxbox?
[10:48] <Thorrn4> where is the setting in firestarter that allows it to be started on startup?
[10:49] <Epix> farruinn: yes
[10:50] <farruinn> epix, I think if you install the menu package you'll get a debian menu in your fluxbox menu
[10:50] <farruinn> thorrn4 it should automatically
[10:50] <Thorrn4> oh...ok farruinn thank you
[10:50] <farruinn> firestarter just configures the linux kernel firewall
[10:51] <zero[] > what's the configurator tool for xorg.conf ?
[10:51] <zero[] > like for changing video drivers
[10:51] <farruinn> if all you need to do is change the video driver you can edit the file manually
[10:51] <Thorrn4> for Ubuntu, do I have to alter ALL repository files to install something?
[10:52] <farruinn> but I would suggest running 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'
[10:52] <thenuke> Thorrn4: I guess you dont have reason not to add every extra repo
[10:52] <Epix> is it possable to install ubuntu without a network and then put in a wireless card leter
[10:52] <Epix> later*
[10:52] <mcphail> Epix: yes
[10:52] <zero[] > farruinn: that's it, thanks
[10:52] <zero[] > on second thought i'll do it manually though
[10:52] <Epix> mcphail: and is there a network config script?
[10:52] <hybrid> hello all
[10:53] <zero[] > for vesa drivers i change Driver under Device to "vesa" right?
[10:53] <farruinn> zero[] , yeah, it's a pain to go through all the questions just for that, isn't it :)
[10:53] <zero[] > lol, yeah
[10:53] <mcphail> Epix: Not sure. i just add details to /etc/network/interfaces
[10:59] <venkman> great... i compiled the module for the cisco vpn client against the current kernel headers for my kernel, and insmode reports: invalid module format.
[10:59] <_dockane_> is it "normal" that firefox config key "network.dns.ipv4OnlyDomains" is a string and set to ad.doubleclick ???
[11:00] <Burgundavia> _dockane_, yes
[11:00] <kanuha> can anyone explain why I can surf the web, but cannot get to kde-look.org. Other people say the site is up and they can get to it.
[11:01] <shinu_> why cant i ls an ntfs directory?
[11:01] <shinu_> i meant a windows partition mounted in dir :D
[11:01] <ells> when getting a video card for dekstop what is the main thing I should be looking for, clock speed, memory, or memory bandwith
[11:01] <paulproteus> For gaming, or what?
[11:01] <Burgundavia> shinu_, have you mounted it so you can read it as a normal user?
[11:01] <paulproteus> Let me rephrase: What do you plan to do with the video card?
[11:01] <ells> paulproteus ,kind of mixture of all
[11:01] <kanuha> can anyone explain why I can surf the web, but cannot get to kde-look.org. Other people say the site is up and they can get to it. I get an unknown host.
[11:02] <shinu_> Burgundavia: /dev/hda2       /mnt/2k         ntfs    rw,user,auto    0       0
[11:02] <ells> paultproteus. would like to make a media center of sorts
[11:02] <_dockane_> ells, passive cooling, excellent vga signal or dvi and enough memory to porvide the your favourite solution in truecolor and lets say min. 90 hz
[11:02] <shinu_> Burgundavia: is that right
[11:02] <Cowlike> kanuha: maybe your dns server is down and your seeing cached results for other pages?
[11:02] <Burgundavia> shinu_, ntfs should be mounted ro
[11:02] <paulproteus> ells: Doesn't sound you'll be playing intensive 3D games.  _dockane_'s advice sounds fine.
[11:02] <paulproteus> I have to run, whoosh.
[11:02] <Cowlike> can you do something like 'ping www.yahoo.com'?
[11:03] <ells> _dockane: will a cheap video card with 256 mb ram, be able to show dvds on the tv
[11:03] <chavo> kanuha, sounds like a dns issue, try http://80.190.240.90 that's kde-look.org's ip
[11:03] <kanuha> Cowlike, yes I can ping yahoo
[11:03] <Nalioth> kanuha go to anonymizer.com and see if it can find it, if it can, something is wonky on your end
[11:03] <Kingsqueak> ells sure
[11:03] <ells> _dockane: will my resolution suffer
[11:04] <ells> _dockane: my tv is 32 inch
[11:04] <Kingsqueak> ells I haven't messed with dvi to a TV from a vidcard, but normally vga to a TV is limited to 640x480
[11:04] <_dockane_> dockane, 256 mb is overkill, i would suggest to buy a low end ati or nvidia. crt or lcd ?
[11:04] <Kingsqueak> unless you get a TV made as a 'monitor'
[11:04] <kanuha> chavo, I can get to it with the IP
[11:04] <FR500> has anyone installed fbsplash on ubuntu?
[11:04] <_dockane_> *ells
[11:04] <Kingsqueak> an All In Wonder would be better for something like MythTV or Freevo use anyway
[11:05] <ells> Kingsqueak: what  about using svideo
[11:05] <Cowlike> -kanuha: what do you see if you do 'nslookup kde-look.org'?
[11:05] <kanuha> does that mean the dns server is down?
[11:05] <ells> _dockan_: yes
[11:05] <Kingsqueak> ells I haven't tried it, but as was mentioned 256mb card is massive overkill for just displaying video like that
[11:05] <ells> _dockane_: yes
[11:05] <_dockane_> ells, crt _or lcd ?
[11:05] <ells> Kingsqueak: so my dvds using the computer this way will play well then
[11:05] <Cowlike> kanuha: if you can get to it by IP, that means your dns service is down or broken somehow
[11:06] <Kingsqueak> ells should, yeah
[11:06] <ells> _dockane_: to a tv
[11:06] <Kingsqueak> ells how fast is the PC? how much RAM?
[11:06] <ells> Kingsqueak: sempron 2400, 512
[11:06] <kanuha> Cowlike, I put it in #flood
[11:06] <gunny> anyone running iTunes on Crossover Office?
[11:06] <Kingsqueak> oh hell, no problem with that ells
[11:07] <ells> Kingsqueak: trying to make my pc into a media pc of sorts
[11:07] <_dockane_> ells, haven't tried to provide a tv with my computer
[11:07] <Kingsqueak> ells check out the MythTV and Freevo sites, one of them had a lot of card information for compat and those projects are all about being a media center
[11:07] <tid-wave> hello, is there an installation guide for ubuntu ?
[11:07] <ells> Kingsqueak: cool
[11:08] <Burgundavia> tid-wave, there a preliminary one the docteam repos
[11:08] <venkman> hmm
[11:08] <gunny> tid-wave: what kind of issue are you having?
[11:10] <hatani> hi all, sorry for the stupid question, but why ubuntu become so famous so quickly?
[11:10] <tid-wave> gunny: i have no issues, i just recommended ubuntulinux to somebody and i wanted to know if there's an installation guide .. especially on the partitions and package selection
[11:10] <Burgundavia> hatani, good defaults
[11:10] <ells> Kingsqueak: I about to buy my card today. should I be more interested in clock speed, ram or memory bandwith
[11:10] <scizzo> hatani: because of its development...
[11:10] <Burgundavia> tid-wave, there is no package selection (good defaults) and partitioning is something that a techy should do
[11:11] <Kingsqueak> ells  http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-3.html#ss3.1   try there
[11:11] <tid-wave> Burgundavia: can it resize existing partitions ?
[11:11] <gunny> best bet is to have a 2nd HD totally available to Ubuntu  IMHO
[11:11] <ells> Kingsqueak: thanks
[11:11] <Burgundavia> tid-wave, not in the partitioner currently
[11:11] <Epix> wooty
[11:11] <Epix> ubuntu is dled, burninining!
[11:11] <Burgundavia> tid-wave, try something like knoppix for that
[11:12] <tid-wave> ok
[11:12] <gunny> mepis can resize an NTFS partition
[11:13] <Kingsqueak> ells  http://freevo.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/doc/Hardware    similar from the freevo project
[11:13] <ells> Kingsqueak: cool, thanks
[11:13] <_dockane_> i am trying to watch a real stream. i installed real player binary (as described on ubuntuguide.org). when i click on the streamlink ff asks me what to do: i point to realplay in /opt/RealPlayer but nothing happens. ps aux say real player is running with 3 different pids and system load is slightly increased. what goes wrong ?
[11:13] <ells> Kingsqueak: have you ever heard of the GeeXbox project
[11:13] <mcphail> Are the servers down? "Could not connect to archive.ubuntu.com:80 (82.211.81.151). - connect (111 Connection refused)"
[11:13] <Kingsqueak> nope
[11:14] <shinu> Burgundavia: sorry i got disconnect ^^'
[11:14] <shinu> Burgundavia: did you get what i said?
[11:14] <Burgundavia> shinu, ntfs must be mounted read only (ro)
[11:14] <venkman> w00t
[11:14] <venkman> my vpn works
[11:14] <Burgundavia> shinu, unless you download some highly alpha crack
[11:14] <shinu> Burgundavia: uh... ok then
[11:14] <shinu> Burgundavia: better not :) thanks
[11:16] <Raquen> how i can change the splash screen?
[11:16] <gunny> Raquen, which one?
[11:17] <shinu> Burgundavia: i still got this permission denied
[11:17] <ells> has anyone heard of the GeeXbox project
[11:17] <shinu> Burgundavia: though i can list when im root
[11:17] <Burgundavia> shinu, you are missing a permission, but I at this moment am drawing a blank (don't have windows anymore)
[11:17] <Raquen> http://www.linuxeu.de/images/wallpaper/ubuntu/splash-screens/ubuntu-508x340.png
[11:17] <Raquen> this.. for example
[11:17] <Kingsqueak> ells they have a hardware guide right on the main site  http://www.geexbox.org/en/hard.html
[11:18] <ells> Kingsqueak: yeah, just trying to get your take on it
[11:18] <shinu> Burgundavia: hehe... i have windows just in case linux fails. or when i want to play some games :D
[11:19] <Kingsqueak> all I know is from friends, and of MythTV and Freevo, they seem to prefer MythTV overall
[11:19] <gunny> Raquen, check directions here : http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-11478.html
[11:19] <shinu> Burgundavia: oh well... ill try to figure out by myself
[11:19] <Raquen> tnx
[11:20] <hybrid> does anyone on powerpc have sound working in mplayer?
[11:20] <gunny> anyone running iTunes on Crossover Office?
[11:20] <KarlosII> yes
[11:20] <Epix> this amazes me. its with debian but w/e... a P2 Celeron 450mhz running faster than a AMD athlon 1ghz
[11:20] <Epix> P2 has debian
[11:21] <Nalioth> hybrid, depends on the video codec for me
[11:21] <Epix> 1ghz has windows XP home
[11:21] <hybrid> Nalioth: does sound work on avi's for you?
[11:22] <Kingsqueak> I have an XP home box here the wife and kid use, 2.4Ghz Intel in it, it's dog slow
[11:22] <darknuala> does anybody know a good linux equivalent to dvdshrink?
[11:22] <Epix> ok, so ubuntu is run by some rich guy but who develops it
[11:22] <darknuala> or dvd copy?
[11:22] <Nalioth> hybrid try to configure it using the ESD instead of ALSA
[11:23] <melodie> Epix: all is in Google  ;)
[11:23] <Sphearion> Epix, you need to rent or buy the movie Revolution OS, should answer most if not all your questions about linux in general.
[11:23] <hybrid> Nalioth: ok
[11:23] <Epix> fuck. write error
[11:24] <Sphearion> Epix, appearently your question has angered the linux gnomes that live in all computers... lol
[11:24] <KarlosII> lol
[11:24] <Kingsqueak> darknuala http://www.exit1.org/dvdrip/
[11:25] <warmfreeze> whats everyone favorite destro of linux?
[11:25] <dockane> does anyone know how i get the sh** real player working ?
[11:25] <Epix> flamed
[11:25] <Epix> flamed is great
[11:25] <Sphearion> warmfreeze, tossup. today - Ubuntu, yesteryear - redhat 9.0 , yesterday - fedora core 3, tomarrow - who knows!
[11:25] <KarlosII> warmfreeze, you come here an ask that?
[11:25] <Epix> best distro exer
[11:26] <warmfreeze> lol
[11:26] <warmfreeze> im bored
[11:26] <hybrid> dockane: helix i belive runs real movies
[11:26] <darknuala> i've got dvdrip but all i see that it does is make divx copy of a dvd, i want to copy a dvd to another dvd
[11:26] <Sphearion> dockane, so does totem - xine with the mplayer codecs :)
[11:26] <KarlosII> :>
[11:26] <randabis> what's a destro?
[11:26] <hybrid> lol
[11:26] <randabis> a distro rigged to be an explosive?
[11:27] <Sphearion> i concur randabis
[11:27] <Vjaz> It's redhat.
[11:27] <dazzed> distro-?
[11:27] <hybrid> no a distro only for desktop
[11:27] <Nalioth> randabis a distro that destroys?
[11:27] <Sphearion> would't that be a desKro
[11:27] <hybrid> lastro is laptop distro
[11:27] <dazzed> lol
[11:27] <Sphearion> trashtro = redhat
[11:27] <warmfreeze> wow
[11:27] <dockane> Sphearion, is mplayer to able to play the most videos. i really bite myself when is get in trouble with codec stuff and i don't have strong nervs regarding this topic
[11:27] <randabis> well, ubuntu isn't a destro then...
[11:27] <hybrid> oldtro = debian
[11:28] <JDahl> Sphearion, redhat = retro
[11:28] <thegreedyturtle> ubunto is a distro...
[11:28] <warmfreeze> lol
[11:28] <KarlosII> dockane, yes
[11:28] <thegreedyturtle> distro = distribution of GNU/linux
[11:28] <Sphearion> dockane, if you install the mplayer codec pack called w32codec. totem-xine can play most all movies
[11:28] <Epix> hmm, how can i tell if a cd burnt well
[11:28] <randabis> ubunto...distro for toes!
[11:28] <hybrid> dockane: mplayer is awesome plays avi mpeg 1 3 4 ogg/v/t
[11:28] <darkaudit> Epix: play it? ;)
[11:28] <hybrid> and many more
[11:28] <thegreedyturtle> ubuntu is a version of the Debian distro, so it's kind of a distro of a distro
[11:28] <Epix> darkaudit: its a ubuntu cd
[11:29] <randabis> totem is just fine. :)
[11:29] <KarlosII> debian is a flavour and ubuntu is a distro
[11:29] <Sphearion> ubuntu is the best working distro I have used to date. other then the old habit of using su - instead of sudo I love it. for now
[11:29] <randabis> Hell, I still use totem over kaffeine in kde
[11:29] <hybrid> thegreedyturtle: it is like those never ending puzzles
[11:29] <hybrid> lol
[11:29] <warmfreeze> im on ubuntu now ...thinking of installing fedora tho ..but i dont know yet
[11:29] <KarlosII> debian is a flavour of linux
[11:29] <Sphearion> warmfreeze, DON'T
[11:29] <thegreedyturtle> no, debian is a distro of linux, and linux is a flavor of unix
[11:29] <dockane> Sphearion, that sounds confusing : totem-xine plays .... woth mplayer code....... w32codec
[11:29] <KarlosII> just like gentoo is a flavour of linux
[11:29] <IIIEars> hybrid - Was mplayer difficult to install?
[11:29] <hybrid> ubuntu is like debian modded to be practical
[11:29] <warmfreeze> why not ?
[11:29] <JDahl> KarlosII, linux is a kernel...
[11:29] <warmfreeze> lol
[11:29] <randabis> warmfreeze what could fedora possibly offer you that ubuntu doesn't?
[11:30] <hybrid> IIIEars : it is easy to compile
[11:30] <Sphearion> dockane, totem-xine plays those, and uses the codecs in the background all you need to remember is totem = movies!
[11:30] <darkaudit> Epix: if the burn looks consistent, no blank spots or nasty looking patches, it's probably good...
[11:30] <Epix> can someone tell me the size and/or the nuber of files on a burnt ubuntu CD
[11:30] <thegreedyturtle> linux is a kernel, which is why it has to be released with a 'distribution' of handy tools
[11:30] <KarlosII> flavour = a way handling packages
[11:30] <thegreedyturtle> such as gnome
[11:30] <warmfreeze> more desktop envoronments :-D
[11:30] <Epix> darkaudit: ok, windows can access it but nero said the burn failed
[11:30] <Zugot> uh... linux is not a flavor of unix
[11:30] <darkaudit> I've had k3b call a burn 'successful' for DVDs, but they turn out looking like crap...
[11:30] <IIIEars> sphearon - Ubuntu is the best yet! - everything worked.
[11:30] <Zugot> linux is unix like...  but not unix
[11:30] <Sphearion> warmfreeze, being a user of fedora since FC1 B1 until yesterday, I can tell you right now that ubuntu is better. and more environements, hell go download the source for whatever WM you want and install it :)
[11:31] <thegreedyturtle> GNU's NOT UNIX!
[11:31] <hybrid> Zugot: true Linux ~= unix
[11:31] <darkaudit> Epix: best bet there is to burn at a slower speed and verify the burn after
[11:31] <randabis> warmfreeze: ubuntu offers a lot of desktop environments
[11:31] <hybrid> Linux = Unix - $
[11:31] <warmfreeze> lol jeesh . i din mean to start a debate :-P
[11:31] <hybrid> randabis: did you see the talk of xubuntu
[11:31] <thegreedyturtle> there really isn't a 'true' Unix left, i guess technically there is somewhere, but most are flavors of unix, such as solaris, HP-UX, AIX and others
[11:32] <hybrid> sco
[11:32] <thegreedyturtle> and as for hybrid's comment, solaris is open source too :)
[11:32] <warmfreeze> solaris sucks ..
[11:32] <darkaudit> hybrid: BLASPHEMY! :)
[11:32] <thegreedyturtle> yeah, sco has some rights to the original unix
[11:32] <darknuala> so can i use dvdrip to copy a dvd to a blank dvd?
[11:32] <randabis> hybrid: yes, and if someone wanted to take up the project, I would welcome it with open arms
[11:32] <hybrid> darkaudit: amen viva la big blue
[11:32] <thegreedyturtle> but that's a whole 'nother can of worms
[11:32] <xmux> hi
[11:32] <Sphearion> accually linux is UNIX LIKE, and linux is based from unix and in the words of linux torvolds himself "I named it linux after linux and the x just had to be there because of unix, its a law or something" "I could not name it linus that would be to egotistical" - linux torvolds   - movie : revolution os
[11:32] <xmux> Anybody know what is taking the Firefox update so long?
[11:32] <warmfreeze> after i installd solaris i wiped the drive in about 45 minutes
[11:32] <Nalioth> IIIEars, i believe compiling is the only way to get the graphical frontend for mplayer (may be wrong)
[11:33] <hybrid> ranadabis: idk much of programming but i will gladly do what ever i can
[11:33] <randabis> KarlosII: amen; gentoo is a mess now...it used to be decent
[11:33] <hybrid> i currently run xfce
[11:33] <IIIEars> << Has d/led nearly everything from single floppy firewalls and rescue CDs to sun Enterprise - Ubuntu has been the easiest - It is just plain swe-et!
[11:33] <KarlosII> randabis, heh
[11:33] <Kingsqueak> darknuala part of the problem is that a plain DVD is only 4.7G, gotta google it a bit.  Basically you use DVDrip to rip it, then remove the menus etc to make it fit on 4.7G
[11:34] <warmfreeze> so how do i download a desktop environment and install it ?
[11:34] <n3> Does anyone have any advice on dualbooting UBUNTU with WINDOZE
[11:34] <n3> ??
[11:34] <Sphearion> n3 check www.ubuntuguide.com
[11:34] <randabis> warmfreeze: that lovely tool called synaptic
[11:34] <Levander> Anybody using subversion?  No matter what I try, when I do a "svn import" I get the error message "Could not open the requested SVN filesystem".
[11:34] <n3> (yes i know it sounds a bit out of touch but you cant seem to run ADOBE premeire on LINUX decently_)
[11:34] <KarlosII> randabis, and Sphearion some doorknob wants to mmake gnome java
[11:34] <warmfreeze> randabis, ware do i find it?
[11:35] <Sphearion> sorry its www.ubuntuguide.org
[11:35] <superted> Levander: this might not be the best or right place :)
[11:35] <hybrid> xfce looks as if lol a hybrid of mac and windows when it comes to the pane
[11:35] <IIIEars> why dual boot windows a virus will snag windows and force a reinstall
[11:35] <Sphearion> KarlosII, NOO
[11:35] <KarlosII> for 3.0
[11:35] <darknuala> i never got dvdshrink to work with wine, so is there a linux equivalent to dvdshrink?
[11:35] <Sphearion> nooo....
[11:35] <KarlosII> I just about blew up when I read that thread
[11:35] <randabis> warmfreeze: it's in the System menu I believe
[11:35] <hybrid> IIIEars: did you see where that guy tested windows virri with wine?
[11:35] <Levander> superted: it's probably an install question, and the ubuntu package does a lot of the install for me, just don't know what I've got left to do
[11:35] <IIIEars> warmfreeze for DVDs?
[11:36] <Sphearion> hybrid, got a link to that one?
[11:36] <darkaudit> darknuala: did you make sure that the WINE config had it running as XP?
[11:36] <randabis> KarlosII: Yeah; I also heard something about a possible gnome fork
[11:36] <warmfreeze> crap . it is :P
[11:36] <KarlosII> randabis, I'm completely against that fork
[11:36] <warmfreeze> im such a tard :P
[11:36] <hybrid> Sphearion: h/o
[11:36] <IIIEars>  lol - a virtual computer is the only way to run windows connected to the 'net.
[11:36] <darknuala> yeah i followed the guide in ubuntu forums exactly.  it chokes trying to find the drive.
[11:36] <spo0nman> has anyone used a canon powershot 300 with ubuntu?
[11:36] <thechitowncubs> spo0n, all canons work nicely
[11:36] <thegreedyturtle> IIIEars: i can't find warmfreeze on google
[11:37] <Sphearion> darknuala, no joke right, unless you use kaspersky antivirus and firefox and use litexp to REMOVE IE
[11:37] <Gabriel_Lima> I'm from brazil
[11:37] <randabis> KarlosII: yeah, I don't see the need for it
[11:37] <ells> does anyone know if LimeWire is shutdown
[11:37] <xmux> Nice slurs against windows, Ubuntu Linux has been vulnerable to a Firefox remote code execution bug with a public exploit for more than a week and nobody seems to care
[11:37] <spo0nman> thegreedyturtle, what do i need to do to copy the jpg's?
[11:37] <thegreedyturtle> huh?
[11:37] <hybrid> Sphearion: http://os.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=05/01/25/1430222&from=rss
[11:38] <KarlosII> xmux, since when got proof?
[11:38] <IIIEars> DVDshrink is a good ap shame there isn't a linux variant.
[11:38] <Gabriel_Lima> os brasileirosgostam bastante do ubuntu
[11:38] <randabis> I don't use ubuntu's firefox build. It's crap
[11:38] <spo0nman> thegreedyturtle, i see no device when i connected it to the usb slot. no device in dmesg
[11:38] <randabis> I use the official mozilla.org one
[11:38] <mcphail> me too
[11:38] <thegreedyturtle> spo0nman: are you sure you were talking to me?
[11:38] <xmux> I'm afraid of upgrading outside the package system
[11:38] <Sphearion> thanks hybrid
[11:38] <KarlosII> most ppl don't though
[11:38] <hybrid> IIIEars: wasnt there a 321 studios linux product?
[11:38] <hybrid> b4 they got hit?
[11:39] <xmux> KarlosII: Since one week ago
[11:39] <merc> I'm trying to set the root password here, sudo passwd root -- asks me for a password, any idea what i did?
[11:39] <KarlosII> link please as proof?
[11:39] <spo0nman> thegreedyturtle, damn stupid xchat autocompletion
[11:39] <thegreedyturtle> merc: sudo uses your password
[11:39] <xmux> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24306
[11:39] <xmux> ^^^ proof
[11:39] <thegreedyturtle> spo0nman: np
[11:39] <mcphail> xmux: your browser is your weakest point. I'd upgrade.
[11:39] <merc> thegreedyturtle: i've not set one yet
[11:39] <spo0nman> thechitowncubs, :) what do i need to do to get pictures...
[11:39] <farruinn> merc: you have to enter your password to use sudo, then you'll see "Enter UNIX password"
[11:39] <ells> does anyone know if LimeWire is shutdown
[11:39] <KarlosII> and has anyone told the ubuntu authors yet by filing a security bug?
[11:39] <farruinn> that will be your root pass
[11:39] <merc> ohhh
[11:39] <merc> farruinn: lol, thanks
[11:39] <merc> never used sudo before :X
[11:39] <thegreedyturtle> merc: no, you use the password that is assigned to your own username
[11:40] <hybrid> ells: i dont think so
[11:40] <thegreedyturtle> merc: you will always use your own password for sudo, not the root password
[11:40] <ells> hybrid: can not connect to limewire
[11:40] <xmux> mcphail: I'd like to upgrade but I can't because apparently it takes longer than a week to put firefox into a package that I can download
[11:40] <merc> thegreedyturtle: thanks :)
[11:40] <thegreedyturtle> np
[11:40] <wbeck85> is there a way to adjust voltages for the processor? In windows I found a program called "CrystalCPUID" that allowed me to adjust the voltages for my athlon64 laptop, resulting in a much cooler and quieter machine
[11:40] <randabis> why do you even need to enable to root password? seems pointless to me
[11:40] <hybrid> ells: hmm have you tried diff ports
[11:41] <ells> hybrid: what ya mean
[11:41] <mcphail> xmux: use the mozilla download. Don't use apt-get for firefox
[11:41] <hybrid> randabis: i agree b/c a root account doesnt need to be there no real reason
[11:41] <farruinn> mcphail: why do you suggest that?
[11:41] <Sphearion> very nice hybrid
[11:41] <hybrid> ells: you maybe blocking the port you are trying to connect through
[11:41] <xmux> mcphail: Why would I want to run ubuntu if I can't use the package system?
[11:41] <randabis> farruinn: because ubuntu's firefox is crap unfortunately :/
[11:42] <mcphail> farruinn: lots of security updates don't get into ubuntu quickly
[11:42] <hybrid_> i like opera
[11:42] <ells> hybrid: not sure, but I do not have firestarter installed
[11:42] <mcphail> xmux: make an exception for you browser. Use apt for everything else
[11:42] <xmux> until there is a bug in my IRC client, then what?
[11:42] <xmux> make another exception?
[11:42] <randabis> xmux: well, I see your point, but sometimes we must compromise interoperability for functionality
[11:42] <djm62> how long has OOo2 been in universe?
[11:43] <KarlosII> huh
[11:43] <mcphail> xmux: you make your bed etc...
[11:43] <KarlosII> OOo2?
[11:43] <Zugot> djm62: a while now
[11:43] <djm62> openoffice.org 2
[11:43] <randabis> openoffice 2
[11:43] <thegreedyturtle> it's in universe?
[11:43] <thegreedyturtle> ooo
[11:43] <hybrid8> ells: well i believe all unix systems for linux to os x to hp ux have a firewall on by default
[11:43] <KarlosII> OO 2 is not released is it?
[11:43] <thegreedyturtle> beta release
[11:43] <xmux> mcphail: I know, I've gone from a total ubuntu advocate and zealot to not recommending it overnight
[11:43] <Zugot> there is a beta in there.   i use it
[11:43] <Zugot> sometimes
[11:44] <hybrid8> OOo is too big
[11:44] <hybrid8> i like abiword
[11:44] <djm62> I was searching for some kind of quickstart applet, and noticed all the 2 packages
[11:44] <Zugot> how do you figure?  office is large too
[11:44] <djm62> abiword is damn nice
[11:44] <ells> hybrid8: it worked fine a week ago
[11:44] <hybrid8> any other alternative word proccessors
[11:44] <thegreedyturtle> heh OO is actually version 1.9.72
[11:44] <hybrid8> ells: hmm
[11:44] <thegreedyturtle> oo2 that is
[11:44] <hybrid8> elss: have you upgraded since then
[11:44] <ells> hybrid8: it cant be me, really
[11:44] <hybrid8> **ells
[11:44] <mcphail> xmux: ubuntu is still more up to date than most other distros
[11:45] <Sphearion> these poor people who have either 1) never ran linux before or 2) live in a suse world, have alot to complain about. my roomate (windows guy) is always giving me hell because I run linux (only linux always have always will) I remember redhat 3 man was that fun, had to get your hands dirty just to get the installer to run correctly, then came ubuntu and whilst I don't have to get my hands as dirty in console editing things as much, I h
[11:45] <Sphearion> ave found it to be the best way to fix the things that I need to run and make things just the way I love them I give props to all you people who stay here and answer these rediculous questions that could be answered in 3 seconds with a google search or even reading the unofficial ubuntu guide. Good day to ya!
[11:45] <ells> hybrid8: yes
[11:45] <kkamrani> anyone know a gui way to setup BIND? or is anyone having problems with your ubuntu box's hostname showing up on a windows network with Samba properly configured?
[11:45] <djm62> 0_0
[11:45] <Bazzi> Sphearion oh come on its not like linux is source of salvation
[11:45] <Nalioth> hear! hear! Sphearion
[11:45] <thegreedyturtle> once you get the hang of the terminal, assuming you have a decent WPM, it's usually faster for doing things
[11:46] <djm62> let's not even bloody argue...if it works, use it, if it don't, change
[11:46] <hybrid8> ells: that maybe your problem
[11:46] <hybrid8> something was edited
[11:46] <Sphearion> Bazzi, but it is, you see in linux if there is a problem you can fix it, I like that in windows if there is a problem you wait for a patch, that patch will make more problems its an endless cycle
[11:46] <ells> hybrid8: what ya mean
[11:46] <randabis> if you really wanna still get your hands dirty on a daily basis, use something like BSD :p or hell, gentoo...it breaks itself afterall hehe
[11:46] <hybrid8> Sphearion: compile from source
[11:46] <Bazzi> Sphearion I'd be lucky if I could actually fix everything I want to
[11:46] <randabis> yeah I love my cli too :)
[11:47] <Sphearion> Bazzi,  stick around here. google everything, and spend time with it, in the end linux will return the favor :)
[11:47] <djm62> I'm happy to wait for patches, and gnome suits me fine...read the HIG, they're like a meta-manual
[11:47] <hybrid8> ells; there may have been say a bug that edited a file that messed up limewire
[11:47] <Bazzi> Sphearion I have to use debian stable on a server, thats no joy, really :p
[11:47] <re|run> I have setup ubuntu three times and all three times I have started out with my system running fine with wireles (centrino) --- and then after usiing it for about a day, I will boot up and all of a sudden, my system see acess points, but doesn't connect to them
[11:47] <randabis> compiling from source isn't much of a chore...it's more of a time waster
[11:47] <Sphearion> hybrid8, considering I used to run gentoo before it went crappy. I can say that I do compile alot from source
[11:47] <ells> hybrid8: i thought so too,and reinstalled the updated limewire, same effect
[11:47] <hybrid8> Bazzi: learn to love the cli
[11:47] <Bazzi> hybrid8 I want to to work ;)
[11:47] <hybrid8> ells: hmm well idk
[11:48] <Sphearion> Bazzi, I use fedora core 1 (cli install, no X) on my servers thats just a headache
[11:48] <djm62> I remember when stable was released...2.2 kernel, kennedy for president, the three-day week
[11:48] <ells> hybrid8: idk?
[11:48] <hybrid8> Sphearion: i wanna try gentoo for a server
[11:48] <Bazzi> I have to use cli anyway
[11:48] <hybrid8> i dont know
[11:48] <Sphearion> hybrid8, don't :)
[11:48] <Bazzi> thats not the issue
[11:48] <Bazzi> its rather debians messed up package system
[11:48] <randabis> hybrid8: that would be a HUGE MISTAKE
[11:48] <hybrid8>  why?
[11:48] <randabis> GENTOO is NOT for servers...only masochists use gentoo on a server
[11:48] <hans_> is ubuntu able to read ntfs hard disks?
[11:49] <Epix> hans_: yes
[11:49] <randabis> hybrid8: it's too unstable for one thing
[11:49] <re|run> hans_: yes -- see the ubuntu guide
[11:49] <hybrid8> randabis: i thought gentoo was *flexable*
[11:49] <Sphearion> ubuntu is the easiest linux distro I have used to date. I like it, have had little to no problems with it, been less than 2 days now, and so far so good. all customized the way I like it, even samba was easy to setup, wait I did smb.conf by hand from memory :)
[11:49] <re|run> http://ubuntuguide.org
[11:49] <randabis> hybrid8: flexibility != stability
[11:49] <djm62> ubuntu should have HIG...
[11:50] <Sphearion> hybrid8, gentoo is NOT flexible, its compilable. you start today, and with a compile farm you will finish in about 12 hours :)
[11:50] <spo0nman> im trying to use a canon powershot 300 with ubuntu, but i dont get any devices ... any hints?
[11:50] <hybrid8> well what distro should i use on my server? slax? debian?
[11:50] <randabis> gentoo is an addiction for ricers
[11:50] <djm62> spo0nman: google say anything?
[11:50] <djm62> hybrid8: slax is a livecd...
[11:50] <randabis> hybrid8: ubuntu :p
[11:50] <darknuala> debian is good for servers
[11:50] <stazich> hey
[11:50] <hans_> i plugged in another hard disk with win on it but it wasnt recognized automatically....any help?
[11:50] <randabis> ubuntu is good for servers too :p
[11:51] <Sphearion> spo0nman, as much as I hate to say, some things can only be done with proprietary software, or lots of waiting. digital cameras (including alot of webcams) don't work real well with linux :(
[11:51] <Kingsqueak> I just installed as 'server' worked great
[11:51] <flex_> i have the amd64 ubuntu and I cant run anything and i cant get the i386 iso right now
[11:51] <stazich> does anyone know a good console player which can playback both cd and mp3s? im having performance issues
[11:51] <stazich> ;-)
[11:51] <flex_> hehe
[11:51] <mcphail> spo0nman: this udev thing looks quite tricky. Might be your problem.
[11:51] <hybrid8> randabis: really? it seems to desktop ordinated
[11:51] <Sphearion> mcphail, spo0nman yes, udev is NOT the best.......
[11:51] <djm62> Sphearion: not always true....a lot /are/ supported (though not usually webcams)
[11:52] <spot_> hi i have a proble of delay for internet request, the browsing speed is un normaly slow, is ther a vay to chech the network card modules any idea ???
[11:52] <Sphearion> djm62, I never said supported or not, I said they don't work so great with linux
[11:52] <spo0nman>  mount -t usbdevfs none /proc/bus/usb
[11:52] <spo0nman> mount: unknown filesystem type 'usbdevfs'
[11:52] <spo0nman> whats going on there?
[11:52] <randabis> hybrid8: you can do custom installations. Ubuntu has all the same server tools that debian has throughout the repositories
[11:52] <djm62> 0_0
[11:52] <Sphearion> spo0nman, exactly what it says, it does NOT know what usbdevfs is
[11:52] <djm62> either things work or not
[11:52] <Sphearion> try mounting as vfat
[11:52] <spo0nman> Sphearion, why does it not knoe? im using stock kernel.
[11:53] <Sphearion> chances are its going to try and read the memory card. that memory card is most likely formated fat16 or fat32, usbdevfs is NOT a valid filesystem descriptor
[11:53] <re|run> does anyone know what it would mean that I can see open WAPs but cannot connect to them?
[11:53] <Sphearion> so change that usbdevfs to either fat or vfat
[11:54] <merc> re|run: could have MAC filtering on
[11:54] <Sphearion> and another thing why not just mount /proc/bus/usb /media/camera vfat (or fat)
[11:54] <Sphearion> why are you trying to mount it to nothing in /proc
[11:54] <mishof> Anyone here managed to install IE with wine ?
[11:54] <Sphearion> forgive me I hate devfs
[11:55] <Sphearion> mishof, why would you want to?
[11:55] <smo> spo0nman: I have type 'usbfs' mounted at that location. might wanna try that
[11:55] <randabis> yeah devfs sucks
[11:55] <re|run> merc: I thought of that --- but it's my own APs that are doing it --- if I can connect to them in windows on the same system I should be able to get it in ubuntu -- besides, I had them in ubuntu yesterday
[11:55] <spo0nman> smo, hmm
[11:55] <Sphearion> lemme see what my usbpendrive mounts as
[11:55] <Jimmothy> does the ubuntu site accept user screenshots?
[11:55] <mishof> Sphearion, some sites only work on ie ( like the israel army site which i need to enter :| )
[11:56] <Sphearion> mishof, you might want to send them an email, and tell them to follow W3C standards :)
[11:56] <mishof> Sphearion, im afraid many people did that already =p
[11:56] <Nalioth> mishof your question baffles me
[11:57] <smo> Sphearion: usbfs is another meta-fs, same idea as /proc & /sys.  it's not the filsystem on a usb block device.  I can't remember what it's useful for anymore tho
[11:57] <mishof> Nalioth, ?
[11:57] <Nalioth> mishof, user a linux browser, change the "user-agent" to SAY it's IE and go on your merry way
[11:57] <pablo928>  mishof, why not install konqueror and have it identify as IE?
[11:58] <pablo928> Nalioth:can that be done with firefox?
[11:58] <jabra> anyone know if there is still support for sparcs in ubuntu
[11:58] <Sphearion> what is the best place to install crossover office? /usr/local/crossover?
[11:58] <shinu> is gaim 1.1.4-1ubuntu1 the last release available on apt-get?
[11:58] <mishof> pablo928, Nalioth: I'll try that, although i believe the problem is with stuff that only IE can handle (stuff it invented)
[11:58] <mcphail> mishof: IE installs under Crossover Office if you really have to
[11:58] <jabra> if so where I could find a iso
[11:58] <Bazzi> hey dont make the statistics look pro-IE :P
[11:58] <xon> There is a firefox plugin for user-agent switcher
[11:58] <Nalioth> yes any browser can have its user-agent changed
[11:58] <mishof> pablo928, yes there is an extension to do that
[11:59] <pablo928> thanks i'll look for it
[11:59] <xon> http://chrispederick.com/work/firefox/useragentswitcher/
[11:59] <mishof> pablo928, i got a link sec :)
[11:59] <mishof> there you go
[12:00] <owlmanatt> The 'Add A Printer' thing isn't seeing my USB printer and putting it into the detected printers list. It's a USB printer, it's plugged into a USB port that I had my thumb drive in about fifteen seconds ago, and it's turned on...Why can't it be detected?
[12:00] <shinu> Nalioth: i saw ie on mac and was supprised it installs by default :/