[01:25] <martijn> hello everyone
[01:26] <martijn> someone listening?
[01:26] <KaiL> maybe :)
[01:27] <martijn> is this the place to tell about kubuntu bugs?
[01:29] <closure> ooooooooooook
[01:29] <closure> i apt-get dist-upgrade yesterday
[01:30] <closure> now KDE is royally screwed with no K menu and gave me like 5 errors when it loaded
[01:30] <closure> any ideas?
[01:30] <KaiL> closure: sudo "dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_3.4.0-0ubuntu3.1_all.deb"
[01:30] <KaiL> :))
[01:30] <closure> thank you
[01:30] <closure> i was wondering about that
[01:31] <KaiL> maybe sudo "apt-get -f install" after that
[01:31] <Cowlike> closure: i fixed that by rm'ing ~/.kde dir and restarting my X session
[01:32] <closure> sudo dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_3.4.0-0ubuntu3.1_all.deb
[01:32] <closure> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_3.4.0-0ubuntu3.1_all.deb (--install):
[01:32] <closure>  cannot access archive: No such file or directory
[01:32] <closure> Errors were encountered while processing:
[01:32] <closure>  /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_3.4.0-0ubuntu3.1_all.deb
[01:32] <closure> that's what i got when i did that kail
[01:32] <KaiL> hmm
[01:32] <Cowlike> closure, you just updated kde 3.3 to 3.4?
[01:33] <KaiL> try apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade again...
[01:33] <closure> apparently
[01:33] <closure> cowlike
[01:33] <KaiL> it should get fresh kdelibs (if you don't already had this update..)
[01:33] <closure> also
[01:33] <closure> my Konsole
[01:33] <KaiL> uhm, there was never any kde3.3 in kubuntu!?
[01:33] <closure> now has a white background as opposed to the black w/ white text
[01:33] <martijn> Hey KaiL, you seem to be the one that knows
[01:34] <martijn> I just had problem in getting in administration mode from kconsole
[01:34] <KaiL> martijn: sudo su
[01:34] <Cowlike> if you can't get anything else to work, closure, just remove the .kde dir in your home dir and restart your X session. you're having the same conflict in kde config files that I experienced
[01:34] <martijn> i finally had todo sudo from konsole
[01:34] <martijn> but the button inside kconsole seems broken
[01:35] <closure> Cowlike, how exactly do i restart my xsession?
[01:35] <closure> just logout
[01:35] <KaiL> martijn: you mean kcontrol?
[01:35] <Cowlike> yes, logout
[01:35] <martijn> yes
[01:35] <KaiL> the controlcenter....
[01:35] <KaiL> ah
[01:35] <KaiL> and sudo works?
[01:35] <martijn> yes
[01:35] <KaiL> hmm
[01:35] <martijn> hmm ...
[01:35] <KaiL> that's strange
[01:36] <KaiL> you are the second reporting this today..........
[01:36] <martijn> it first seems to logging in
[01:36] <KaiL> Riddell: ping?
[01:36] <closure> Preconfiguring packages ...
[01:36] <closure> (Reading database ... 83355 files and directories currently installed.)
[01:36] <closure> Preparing to replace kdelibs-data 4:3.4.0-0ubuntu3 (using .../kdelibs-data_4%3a3.4.0-0ubuntu3.1_all.deb) ...
[01:36] <closure> Unpacking replacement kdelibs-data ...
[01:36] <closure> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4%3a3.4.0-0ubuntu3.1_all.deb (--unpack):
[01:36] <martijn> and then it just doesnt
[01:36] <closure>  trying to overwrite `/usr/share/icons/default.kde', which is also in package knetworkconf
[01:36] <closure> Errors were encountered while processing:
[01:36] <closure>  /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4%3a3.4.0-0ubuntu3.1_all.deb
[01:36] <closure> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[01:36] <closure> that's what i got when i apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:36] <closure> i got the same error yesterday
[01:36] <closure> i shutdown last night and booted today and it's screwed
[01:37] <KaiL> now the dpkg -i --force-overwrite.. should help
[01:37] <closure> Cowlike, will rm'ing .kde fix it?
[01:37] <KaiL> ah, filename broken..
[01:39] <KaiL> closure: sudo "dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_43a3.4.0-0ubuntu3.1_all.deb
[01:39] <KaiL> grrr
[01:39] <closure> no such files
[01:39] <closure> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_43a3.4.0-0ubuntu3.1_all.deb (--install):
[01:39] <closure>  cannot access archive: No such file or directory
[01:39] <closure> Errors were encountered while processing:
[01:39] <closure>  /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_43a3.4.0-0ubuntu3.1_all.deb
[01:39] <Riddell> KaiL: yo	
[01:39] <KaiL> sudo "dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4%3a3.4.0-0ubuntu3.1_all.deb"
[01:40] <KaiL> Riddell: kcontrol + sudo doesn't like each other today?
[01:40] <closure> in quotations?
[01:40] <KaiL> not required
[01:41] <closure> nice
[01:41] <Riddell> KaiL: Anlar kknown problem, and the biggest in kubuntu, actually I think it's from upstream
[01:41] <Riddell> reinstalling is the only way I've found
[01:41] <closure> seemed to work that time
[01:41] <KaiL> Riddell: and is there anything against the kdelibs problems?
[01:41] <martijn> Oh KaiL: the same problem from accessing the services from konqueror
[01:41] <martijn> (though i guiess its the same problem..)
[01:42] <Riddell> clashing with knetworkconf?
[01:42] <martijn> yep
[01:42] <KaiL> first this overwrite, and then it seams to break kubuntu-default-settings
[01:42] <KaiL> yes
[01:43] <Riddell> what does it do with kubuntu-default-settings?
[01:43] <Riddell> this internet access is terrible
[01:43] <KaiL> the default settings are just ignored as it looks
[01:44] <Riddell> do you have /etc/kderc
[01:46] <KaiL> interesting...
[01:46] <KaiL> that file isn't there here?!
[01:46] <KaiL> but dpkg says it's in kubuntu-default-settings
[01:47] <Riddell> that's another issue I have no clue about
[01:47] <KaiL> same for you? ;)
[01:47] <Riddell> remove --purge kubuntu-default-settings  then install again
[01:47] <KaiL> how to purge without killing kdm? ;))
[01:48] <KaiL> ..which will kill X...
[01:49] <KaiL> extracted the file over mc, let's see, if that also solves the other one here...
[01:52] <KaiL> hmm, k, that's fixed too...
[01:54] <KaiL> Riddell: so no solution for the kcontrol+sudo?
[01:56] <KaiL> hmm, but why /etc/kderc runs away...
[01:58] <Riddell> I havn't properly investigated either I'm afraid
[01:58] <Riddell> you can reinstall kcontrol and it might work
[01:58] <KaiL> martijn: could you try?
[01:58] <KaiL> here it works (also strange, why it doesn't break for everybody)
[01:58] <martijn> i can try i guess
[01:58] <KaiL> apt-get install --reinstall kcontrol
[01:59] <closure> ok
[01:59] <closure> new problem
[01:59] <closure> i can't get any KDE apps online now
[01:59] <KaiL> closure: hmm...
[01:59] <closure> i'm in BitchX in a konsole window
[01:59] <closure> but i can't get xchat online
[01:59] <martijn> it seems to be willinh my install cd!!
[01:59] <closure> according to KControl Center my network is cool
[01:59] <KaiL> what's that now?
[02:00] <KaiL> martijn: yes
[02:00] <closure> and i can access my other box's files
[02:00] <KaiL> closure: sudo "apt-get -f install"
[02:00] <KaiL> ...if there's something not clean installed....
[02:01] <martijn> reinstalling
[02:01] <martijn> reinstalling works!
[02:01] <martijn> i mean
[02:01] <closure> this is just getting mor interesting
[02:02] <closure> martijn i'm aware reinstalling works
[02:02] <martijn> it does work after reinstalling
[02:02] <KaiL> martijn: wonderful!
[02:02] <closure> i would like to fix it as opposed to reinstalling and getting all my damn apps again
[02:02] <closure> k
[02:02] <closure> let me logout and try again
[02:02] <KaiL> Riddell: maybe something of the kdelibs has some very destructive postrm scripts?
[02:02] <KaiL> or prerm
[02:03] <martijn> but the package does not seem online as i activated the other sources on source.list
[02:03] <KaiL> the cdrom is on top of the file, so it get's used
[02:03] <martijn> ok
[02:03] <KaiL> if you comment that out, it isn't used any more
[02:03] <martijn> ok
[02:04] <KaiL> ...should be done, if you install for other people and don't let the cdrom there
[02:04] <martijn> oh just another minor point
[02:04] <martijn> i just installed firefox
[02:04] <martijn> default website is in ubuntu-artwork
[02:04] <martijn> which is not required for firefox installation
[02:05] <closure> woo
[02:05] <KaiL> closure: all working again?
[02:05] <closure> now i just get to reconfigure KDE
[02:05] <closure> yep
[02:05] <closure> i reset my config files so i have to reconfig now
[02:05] <KaiL> I think, the half-installed kdelibs doesn't work
[02:05] <closure> what do you mean?
[02:05] <closure> it's running now
[02:06] <KaiL> yes
[02:06] <closure> or did that dpkg command reset it to the old one?
[02:06] <KaiL> you said, yesterday you ignored the error
[02:06] <closure> well yeah
[02:06] <closure> somebody said it would be fixed in a couple days
[02:06] <closure> and nobody told me that dpkg command to fix it
[02:07] <KaiL> so the new kdelibs didn't get configured -> and didn't work
[02:07] <KaiL> I don't want to know, how "average users" will react on this
[02:07] <closure> ahh ok
[02:07] <KaiL> I guess with removing kubuntu :(
[02:07] <closure> well that's what i like about linux
[02:07] <closure> i'm still learning a lot
[02:08] <closure> but you can fix shit in linux
[02:08] <closure> you don't have to remove everything
[02:08] <KaiL> yes, indeed
[02:08] <closure> that alone is crunk ta deaf shawdy lo
[02:08] <closure> l
[02:08] <closure> but i agree that does need to be fixed
[02:08] <KaiL> for Windows problems even MS supports first recommends reinstall :)
[02:08] <martijn> ok thanks and by folks!
[02:09] <KaiL> this kdelibs update fixes 1 bug - and creats many, TO MANY new
[02:09] <closure> KaiL, lol i always loved it when i would call my box's manufacturer asking how to fix anything and they would say "have you tried reinstalling"
[02:09] <KaiL> hehe
[02:10] <closure> even reinstalling in linux
[02:10] <closure> KDE is still seperate from console
[02:10] <KaiL> btw. I didn't have anybody here, who had a "please reinstall" problem :)
[02:10] <closure> so you can maintain your files and such
[02:10] <closure> now i wonder where baghira went
[02:10] <KaiL> normally 1-line-fixes here
[02:10] <closure> i'm guessing that it went away when i deleted .kde huh?
[02:11] <KaiL> install kwin-baghira :)
[02:11] <closure> kwin-baghira?
[02:11] <closure> what's that?
[02:12] <closure> ahh same thing i guess
[02:12] <KaiL> kwin theme "baghira" :)
[02:12] <closure> ahh ok
[02:13] <closure> i am reinstalling it according to synaptic it was still instaled
[02:13] <closure> err installed
[02:13] <kkathman> greetings all :)
[02:13] <KaiL> closure: and not listed...?
[02:13] <sdogi> watch this great animations and laugh at misfortune that falls on bill gates 
[02:13] <sdogi> http://nurme.yi.org/~sdogi/Intro.avi.torrent
[02:14] <smouche> hey kkathman, how you been?
[02:15] <kkathman> smouche:  Howdy!! How are you ??
[02:16] <smouche> pretty good.  get to sleep in a little tomorrow; that's cheered me up a lot!
[02:16] <kkathman> smouche: thats a good thing!
[02:17] <closure> KaiL, it's listed
[02:17] <KaiL> ok
[02:17] <closure> just listed as installed
[02:17] <closure> oh you mean in kcontrol
[02:17] <closure> no it wasn't in there
[02:17] <KaiL> and now it is..?!?
[02:18] <closure> not sure
[02:18] <closure> let me get there
[02:19] <closure> yep
[02:19] <closure> now it is
[02:19] <KaiL> ok
[02:19] <closure> kinda weird
[02:19] <closure> lol
[02:19] <KaiL> closure: I bet the kdelibs update deleted something here ;)
[02:19] <closure> what does that update fix anyways?
[02:19] <KaiL> a security hole
[02:19] <closure> i'll bet i never even encountered the damn thing
[02:20] <closure> well that's certainly no fun
[02:20] <KaiL> can you use sudo in kcontrol?
[02:20] <closure> i wonder how many people hacked my planet
[02:20] <closure> IN kcontrol?
[02:20] <closure> what do you mean
[02:20] <KaiL> maybe to set network devices...
[02:20] <KaiL> the "admin mode"
[02:21] <closure> let me see
[02:21] <smouche> KaiL -- the admin mode were giving me problems, so I had to "sudo kcontrol" to start it, and that worked better
[02:21] <KaiL> smouche: apt-get install --reinstall kcontrol
[02:22] <smouche> KaiL -- why, is there some bug fix I don't know about?
[02:22] <closure> hrm
[02:22] <closure> no
[02:22] <closure> this is not cool
[02:22] <KaiL> closure: as I said...:)
[02:22] <closure> k
[02:22] <KaiL> smouche: you installed the kdelibs update? :)
[02:22] <smouche> yes
[02:22] <closure> reinstall kcontrol?
[02:22] <KaiL> that seams to be "a bit" broken
[02:22] <KaiL> closure:  apt-get install --reinstall kcontrol
[02:22] <closure> cool
[02:24] <KaiL> oh, and you both miss /etc/kderc, I guess - there it is: http://moba.linuxfaqs.de/kderc
[02:25] <closure> ?
[02:25] <KaiL> that's the kubuntu-look&feel in KDE
[02:26] <smouche> cool, KaiL - thanks.
[02:26] <sdogi> and then you can watch trailer about deadly penguin
[02:26] <sdogi> http://nurme.yi.org/~sdogi/Intro.avi.torrent
[02:27] <sdogi> ok enough
[02:27] <sdogi> goodnight
[02:27] <closure> ok now to figure out how i did those panels again lol
[02:29] <closure> crap
[02:29] <closure> i deleted my taskbar how do i get it back
[02:32] <KaiL> ok, enough: http://moba.linuxfaqs.de/kdelibs-debug.sh
[02:32] <KaiL> a script, which should repair all the damage
[02:33] <KaiL> if somebody has something more, tell me.
[02:33] <closure> should i run that KaiL ?
[02:33] <closure> or am i cool?
[02:33] <KaiL> not required
[02:33] <closure> k
[02:34] <closure> can you tell me how to get my taskbar back?
[02:34] <KaiL> that script does all that, you just did
[02:34] <KaiL> the panel is there?
[02:34] <closure> i deleted it
[02:34] <closure> i clicked "remove taskbar"
[02:34] <closure> i was trying to seperate it and put it on the bottom
[02:35] <KaiL> but the panel itself is still there?
[02:35] <KaiL> so rightclick on it...
[02:35] <closure> yeah
[02:35] <closure> just not the taskbar
[02:35] <closure> ahhh sweet!
[02:35] <closure> thanks man
[02:36] <KaiL> ;)
[02:36] <closure> damn this is annoying
[02:36] <closure> it's like initial set up
[02:36] <closure> only all over again
[02:50] <smouche> lol, I've been through that about 8 times with kubuntu, closure!
[02:50] <smouche> (mainly back in unstable hoary days though)
[02:52] <closure> this is the first time
[02:52] <closure> i've been running it for i'd say 2 months maybe 3
[02:52] <closure> hopefuly it will be the last
[02:52] <closure> i'm saving my config after i set this shit up though
[02:52] <closure> that's for sure
[02:53] <smouche> good plan.  I never do that.  need to start.
[02:53] <closure> probleem is right now
[02:53] <closure> i can't remember all the stuff i had set lol
[02:53] <closure> or how i had it set
[02:53] <closure> i'm trying colors right now
[02:54] <closure> i can't figure out which one i liked
[03:06] <incubii> whos good with fluxbox
[03:06] <closure> not i
[03:06] <closure> >8-)
[03:08] <incubii> hmm i know how to configure windows to maximize 24px from the bottom in BBlean for windows but it doesnt work for fluxbox
[03:08] <incubii> its annoying
[03:08] <closure> yep i have no idea what you are talking about >8-)
[03:09] <incubii> thats alright i talk to myself anyway
[03:13] <closure> gooood goood
[03:16] <spreda> konq and t'bird won't go on internet via server, but ping works and other box is on internet via server. gateway is in /etc/network/interfaces. clues, anyone?
[03:21] <closure> hrm
[03:21] <closure> anybody know how to make my icons 3D?
[03:22] <closure> or could someone tell me how i'm sure someone knows how
[03:44] <bzbb> I have a broken kdelins-data
[03:44] <bzbb> kdelibs
[03:45] <alyks> I'm trying to use apt-get to install ogle, but it doesn't seem to work
[03:45] <alyks> I type this:
[03:45] <Riddell> bzbb: you can be the first to try the script in the /topic 
[03:45] <alyks> apt-get source ogle
[03:45] <alyks> but it only says it can't find the source package
[03:45] <Riddell> alyks: sudo apt-get install ogle
[03:46] <Riddell> source will download the source into the current directory
[03:46] <bzbb> ooh, thanks
[03:46] <alyks> I did do the sudo
[03:46] <alyks> and if I do apt-get install ogle it says it can't find the package also
[03:47] <tjs> gday, I just apt-get installed kubuntu-desktop on my hoary installation, and there are a few issues. stuff like kmail and korganiser have totally empty configure dialog windows for instance
[03:48] <tjs> and my menus seem to have no kde apps in them at all
[03:49] <Riddell> alyks: it's in universe
[03:49] <tjs> anyone else seen this sort of thing?
[03:49] <alyks> ?
[03:50] <tjs> kopete also seems to have no functional configure dialog, but konversation does
[03:50] <tjs> what could I be missing?
[03:51] <alyks> what do you mean "universe"?
[03:52] <bzbb> the script worked
[03:54] <flames> hi, how can i make a screenshot from my screen in kde? like printscreen under windows
[03:55] <alyks> go into the menu
[03:55] <alyks> under the graphics one
[03:55] <alyks> and click on ksnapshot
[03:55] <flames> thx!!
[04:03] <alyks> I can't get ogle to install with apt-get
[04:04] <Riddell> oh, he's gone
[04:04] <Riddell> I can't find the universe wiki page
[04:13] <closure> bzbb look at the topic
[04:13] <closure> get that script
[04:13] <kkathman> evening again, all :)
[04:23] <closure> evening
[04:26] <bzbb> closure, I did and it worked
[04:26] <closure> coolio
[04:26] <closure> thank KaiL i think he wrote it
[04:31] <Riddell> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MOTUKDE  everyone sign up!
[04:33] <kkathman> Has anyone installed wine, and been able to get the Microsoft Installer to work...I have a couple of CD's that require the Microsoft Installer to install their product.
[04:33] <jsubl2> Riddell: what is it
[04:35] <jsubl2> Riddell: nm.. site finally came up that explains it
[04:39] <jsubl2> the wiki is a little slow
[04:41] <moist> damm I've lost all sound agian 
[04:42] <Riddell> jsubl2: try accessing it form australia :(
[04:43] <jsubl2> ok.  Riddell so, you need to be a developer to be on a motu team
[04:44] <Riddell> jsubl2: you need to make packages, then you become MOTU when you are wise
[04:44] <Riddell> it's pretty easy to become a MOTU
[04:44] <Riddell> do sign yourself up if you want to help
[04:44] <jsubl2> Riddell: ok.. i see
[05:17] <andrewski> does anyone here use kaudiocreator?
[05:35] <spreda> konq and t'bird won't go on internet via server, but ping works and this box is on via server. gateway is in /etc/network/interfaces. old lappy will work on samw cat.5 cable, so its' in the box somewhere! clues, anyone? please?
[05:37] <spreda> samw/same^
[05:37] <infornography> I am having trouble doing an 'apt-get upgrade,' the package 'kdelibs-data' returns an error. Anybody else had this problem and know how to get it to work?
[05:38] <infornography> The error says something about 'trying to overwrite `/usr/share/icons/default.kde', which is also in package knetworkconf'
[05:40] <spreda> see last part of topic, inforngraphy
[05:40] <infornography> Right, I'm an idiot. Sorry about that
[05:41] <infornography> And thanks
[05:41] <spreda> np
[05:42] <andrewski> does anyone else think filelight rocks?
[05:48] <closure> andrewski, what's Filelight?
[05:48] <spreda> cd /
[05:48] <andrewski> closure: check it out in apt; it shows your file sizes in a pie chart.
[05:48] <closure> hrm
[05:48] <andrewski> closure: particularly useful for me in my rather large music collection.
[05:49] <closure> might help if i had my collection on this box
[05:49] <closure> this is just my little toy laptop i keep in my den for television computing
[05:49] <closure> really movies and such
[05:49] <closure> cause i'm that addicted
[05:49] <closure> lol
[05:50] <closure> gotta have my net man! can't live without it!
[06:13] <closure> oooooooooooook
[06:14] <closure> does anyone have problems with KDE just completely shutting down and then the xserver restarts?
[06:14] <closure> just at random?
[06:14] <Riddell> closure: not heard of any such thing
[06:14] <closure> well
[06:14] <closure> i can't figure it out
[06:14] <closure> no idea what i do when it occurs
[06:14] <andrewski> closure: did you look at X's log?
[06:15] <closure> nope
[06:15] <closure> didn't know they existed lol
[06:15] <andrewski> closure: might be helpful. :P
[06:15] <closure> where do i  find uch a thing?
[06:15] <andrewski> closure: and do you use compositing?
[06:15] <closure> such a thing
[06:15] <closure> composting?
[06:15] <closure> what's that?
[06:15] <andrewski> closure: /var/log/X/ or something like that.
[06:15] <andrewski> closure: kwin's transparency/shadows and the like.
[06:15] <andrewski> closure: if you don't know, you probably don't. :P
[06:17] <andrewski> but i'm off to bed....
[06:17] <closure> some shit has shadows and stuff but i don't think so
[06:17] <closure> i was trying to find where to turn off all that fancy shit earlier
[06:18] <closure> i don't like fading menus and scrolling and all that non sense
[06:20] <closure> damni
[06:20] <closure> t
[06:20] <closure> i hate it when that happens
[06:20] <closure> Riddell, do you know which one of these logs would be the one to look at?
[06:20] <closure> xorg or xfree?
[06:25] <Riddell> closure: xorg if you're using hoary
[06:27] <closure> sealab is retiring!?!?
[06:27] <closure> that's a kubuntu question btw
[06:29] <Riddell> who?  what?
[06:38] <jago> hello, does anyone  know where to find what pakages are avalable for apt-get
[06:45] <closure> jago synaptic shows you a list
[06:45] <closure> it's the easiest way
[06:46] <jago> thank you
[06:49] <Riddell> jago: kynaptic
[06:50] <jago> can i add the testing libraries on debian to my soucr list or will it corupt my system?
[06:55] <closure> hrm
[06:55] <closure> jago i wouldn't add the debian repositories
[06:55] <jago> what a bout univers and multiverse
[06:55] <closure> it might work but k/ubuntu is just built off debian i'm not sure how close they are related
[06:56] <closure> someone mentioned "breezy" being the dev repository for k/ubuntu
[06:56] <jago> where is it
[06:56] <jago> what is it
[06:56] <closure> you change where it says "hoary" to "breezy"
[06:57] <jago> oh thanks, sorry i am new to this....
[06:58] <closure> no biggie i'm learning as well
[07:10] <jago> does any one know how to enable multiverse and universe in apt?
[07:11] <closure> jago
[07:11] <closure> i *THINK* if you do it in synaptic it will be the same in apt
[07:12] <jago> hoe do i do it in synaptic
[07:12] <jago> sorry how not hoe
[07:12] <closure> let me see
[07:12] <closure> ?
[07:12] <closure> oh
[07:13] <closure> i thought you were calling me a hoe i was like "wtf? i'm helping you out biatch!"
[07:13] <closure> lol
[07:13] <jago> sorry  lol
[07:13] <closure> ok
[07:14] <closure> goto settings -> repositories
[07:14] <closure> it's in there somewhere
[07:14] <closure> there's different ones on mine
[07:15] <closure> i believe you check them to enable them
[07:15] <jago> i don't see a settings
[07:15] <closure> are you using Synaptic or Kynaptic?
[07:15] <jago> i see filters
[07:15] <jago> knaptik sorry i don't have synaptic
[07:16] <closure> oh
[07:16] <closure> i don't like kynaptic it has no features
[07:16] <jago> shuold i get synaptic
[07:16] <closure> do apt-get install synaptic
[07:16] <closure> i like it better personaly
[07:16] <jago> ok
[07:16] <jago> thanks
[07:18] <closure> it might require libgnome or whatever
[07:18] <closure> but that's a useful package to have
[07:19] <jago> thank you
[07:19] <jago> thaks again for all the help but i need to get up and go to work in like 3 hours so i will see ya.
[07:19] <jago> bye
[08:11] <zabu> arg firefox keeps crashing on kubuntu
[08:11] <zabu> even after I wiped it completely + all bookmarks or any trace of it
[08:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> :|
[08:11] <closure> zabu, what's it doing?
[08:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> thats a problem
[08:11] <zabu> just goes 'blip' and disappears
[08:11] <closure> yeah i think that's some kind of memory saver
[08:12] <closure> cause it rapes my ram
[08:12] <closure> and i think when it gets low it closes the last app open
[08:12] <closure> i've had the whole of KDE crash as well
[08:16] <infornography> What is the command to run the script to fix the kdelibs bug?
[08:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> ./
[08:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> ./kdelibs-debug.sh
[08:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> make it executable first
[08:18] <infornography> Oh, I forgot to make it executable
[09:11] <ArdieM> hi all
[09:11] <ArdieM> ive got a problem and need help
[09:11] <ArdieM> i want to download kubuntu install cd for amd64
[09:12] <ArdieM> but my is browser always crashing when i try to open the mirror site...
[09:12] <ArdieM> could someone gimme a fast downloadlink for "kubuntu install cd amd64" please ?
[09:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> what browser
[09:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> sure i can, ill just get it
[09:13] <ArdieM> evry browser ^^firefox konqueror ...
[09:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> wtf
[09:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> what are you running?
[09:13] <ArdieM> mepis
[09:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> i hate that ;)
[09:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> where are you? ie what country should i get a mirror for?
[09:14] <ArdieM> mom ill give youn link
[09:14] <ArdieM> http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/hoary/ <-- now my browser is crshing when i try to click on "amd64 @ install cd"
[09:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/hoary/kubuntu-5.04-install-amd64.iso
[09:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> you might need to try wget.
[09:16] <ArdieM> thank you very very very MUCH
[09:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[09:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> any time
[09:17] <ArdieM> lol kget is crashing... funkin mepis ... well then i have to boot windows ... thanks anyway bye..!!
[09:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> ardeim
[09:17] <ArdieM> yes ?
[09:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> in a konsole try running wget http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/hoary/kubuntu-5.04-install-amd64.iso
[09:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> just to try and keep you in linux ;)
[09:20] <ArdieM> lol kget started working...
[09:20] <ArdieM> ^^ im scared of my os Oo
[09:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> :) wget is the backend
[09:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> its great
[09:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol @ scareness
[09:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> phear it. it uses KDE ;)
[09:21] <ArdieM> hehe do you use kubuntu ?
[09:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> no ;)
[09:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> but i do lots of helping here
[09:21] <ArdieM> thats nice
[09:22] <ArdieM> i tried ti install gentoo but then i realized that its much work... and im to lazy for things like gentoo ^^
[09:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> :) theres enough ppl helping in #ubuntu, htey dont need help there. but this channels full of squatters who never talk... when im here anyway
[09:23] <ArdieM> hahaha
[09:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> :) i havent tried gentoo. burned the cds but never got roud to install
[09:43] <trans_err> ntpdate won't sync with any ntp servers "no server suitable for synchronization found"
[10:48] <amichai> anyone know why printer is only printing the colors but not black in kde, new black ink
[10:57] <spiral> hi
[10:59] <spreda> how do I make eth1 activate on bootup?
[11:05] <verden01> Hi
[11:09] <jnoon> anyone seen this error? /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4-0x1.6a7820000005ap-1363.4.0-0ubuntu3.1_all.deb:  trying to overwrite `/usr/share/icons/default.kde', which is also in package knetworkconf
[11:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> jnoon, last bit of channel topic ;)
[11:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> iirc
[11:12] <jnoon> lol thanks
[11:12] <jnoon> whats iirc mean? always see it never know
[11:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> If I Remember Correctly :)
[11:13] <jnoon> cool
[11:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> btw. hi spiral and verden01 :)
[11:13] <spiral> Kamping_Kaiser: hi
[11:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> spreda iirc in the controll pannel
[11:16] <jnoon> always wondered this... say you are running a program that and while its running.. you apt-get something which ends up upgrading the program you are currently running... ive never seen an error, but does it stop anything from happening that is supposed to since its currently running?
[11:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> it happens when you restart the app
[11:17] <jnoon> interesting how it doesnt break anything
[11:17] <jnoon> i guess i still have a windows mindset on a few things
[11:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> same. but its dissapearing ;)
[11:24] <spreda> how do I get eth1 to activate on startup?
[11:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> try looking in the controll pannel. but nfi here
[11:28] <spreda> thanks anyway.
[11:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> :| and nested x isnt working, so i cant look for you
[11:31] <verden01> Hi
[11:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi
[11:36] <verden01> hey
[11:37] <verden01> hey Kamping_Kaiser how good is ADSL2?
[11:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol. looks good. havent used it ;)
[11:38] <verden01> oh i thought you was using it with internode
[11:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> not yet ;) wish i was
[11:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> exchange isnt enabled, and i dont have controll of the phone line
[11:39] <verden01> k :-)
[11:40] <Riddell> spreda: network configuration in kcontrol should be able to do it
[11:45] <yannux> y'as pas une commande qui permet de connaitre l'encodage d'un fichier ?
[11:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm.?
[11:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> english here
[11:46] <yannux> is there a command to know file encoding ?
[11:46] <yannux> utf8 iso....
[11:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> i dont know it, but i think there is one
[11:47] <yannux> oki :)
[11:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> :) sorry
[11:48] <yannux> thanks :)
[11:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[11:50] <GameCat> morning all
[11:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi mate
[11:51] <incubii> howdy
[11:51] <incubii> dont think im gonna get my pc back for a long time, just bought my GF roller coaster tycoon 2 triple pack
[11:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> LOL. 
[11:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> never see you again
[11:52] <incubii> nah im on the mac
[11:52] <incubii> but i do all my work on the pc
[11:52] <incubii> guess ill have to adapt to PPC better
[11:52] <incubii> lol
[11:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> :) theres a use for your win2k install
[11:53] <incubii> well thats the thing
[11:53] <incubii> after the install it worked
[11:53] <incubii> but afffter reboot it stopped working
[11:53] <incubii> :D
[11:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> :O after how many hours install
[11:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> ?
[11:53] <GameCat> can anyone help me with a qt error while trying to compile kde apps?
[11:53] <incubii> 3 hours
[11:54] <incubii> i hope they build KQEMU for ppc
[11:54] <incubii> it really needs it
[11:55] <GameCat> okay, a different question: can anyone successfully compile kde apps on kubuntu? :)
[11:56] <incubii> ill let you know after 2 weeks of downloadin dev sources
[11:56] <GameCat> hehe
[11:57] <GameCat> I'll wait patiently :)
[11:58] <incubii> :P
[11:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> :D
[11:59] <GameCat> I keep getting an qt not found error, even though I have all the req libs etc installed - can't compile a thing :(
[11:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> whats the qt error?
[12:00] <incubii> QT ERROR: Not Windows
[12:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> LOL
[12:00] <GameCat> checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.0.3) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation!
[12:00] <GameCat> configure barfs with that
[12:00] <incubii> anyone know if Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind runs under wine ?
[12:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> gamecat. your qt is out of date?
[12:02] <spreda> Riddell, yes, but sudo won't work on it. it takes the pword,draws a red box, then tells me again that it needs admin priv, or just greys out again.   grrrrr
[12:03] <GameCat> $ dpkg -l|grep qt
[12:03] <GameCat> ii  dbus-qt-1      0.23.4-0ubuntu simple interprocess messaging system (Qt-bas
[12:03] <GameCat> ii  libqt3-headers 3.3.3-7ubuntu3 Qt3 header files
[12:03] <GameCat> ii  libqt3-mt-dev  3.3.3-7ubuntu3 Qt development files (Threaded)
[12:03] <GameCat> ii  libqt3c102     3.3.3-7ubuntu3 Qt GUI Library, Version 3
[12:03] <GameCat> ii  libqt3c102-mt  3.3.3-7ubuntu3 Qt GUI Library (Threaded runtime version), V
[12:03] <GameCat> ii  pinentry-qt    0.7.1-5        Qt-based PIN or pass-phrase entry dialog for
[12:03] <GameCat> ii  qt3-designer   3.3.3-7ubuntu3 Qt3 Designer
[12:03] <GameCat> ii  qt3-dev-tools  3.3.3-7ubuntu3 Qt3 development tools
[12:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> its qt ;) dont use kde
[12:04] <GameCat> not the most helpful advice I've had so far :)
[12:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> :) sorry
[12:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> its all i can offer
[12:04] <incubii> i have to use fluxbox when playin DVDs or KDE goes mental
[12:06] <GameCat> Kamping_Kaiser: 'sokay, I was just jesting - I'm getting a bit frustrated by this problem - I want to move permanently from fedora to kubuntu, but if I can't compile on it, the deal is off :(
[12:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> :(
[12:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> bugger
[12:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> and you must have qt?
[12:07] <verden01> anyone installed vmware on kubuntu?
[12:07] <GameCat> well yeah, it's the kde gui library :)
[12:07] <GameCat> verden01: not me, sorry
[12:07] <verden01> k
[12:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> verden01 no, iirc it was a rpm, and at the time i didnt know about alien
[12:08] <incubii> i use qemu
[12:08] <incubii> since im on kubuntu ppc
[12:08] <verden01> alien   is that a rpm tp deb program?
[12:08] <verden01> to
[12:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes
[12:09] <GameCat> yeah
[12:09] <verden01> cool i'll try it
[12:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> or you can install it 
[12:09] <verden01> well i'm looking at synaptic now
[12:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> alien is installed by default
[12:10] <verden01> :-) i just found that out
[12:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[12:11] <verden01> so do i open the rpm with alien?
[12:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> iirc. alien -i vmware.rpm
[12:11] <verden01> thanx
[12:17] <incubii> buh why do people get offended when you tell them you cant help them because you are too busy with your own stuff :|
[12:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> :s
[12:18] <incubii> where am i going to find time to help co-code a game if i dont even have the time to code my own
[12:18] <incubii> :|
[12:19] <GameCat> co-code? what is this game?
[12:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[12:20] <incubii> co-develop ?
[12:20] <incubii> assist in the process of coding?
[12:20] <incubii> :P
[12:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[12:20] <incubii> he said it was called "hackers and crackers"
[12:20] <incubii> didnt sound too fun
[12:20] <GameCat> ah right
[12:20] <GameCat> uplink ripoff maybe
[12:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> or a lifegeek rip
[12:23] <incubii> boo
[12:24] <incubii> im after coding my own top down stargate or avp clone
[12:24] <incubii> though i doubt ill ever get more then the stub code going
[12:24] <incubii> :D
[12:24] <GameCat> if you build it they will come
[12:26] <incubii> yeah i took a weird way at coding my engine
[12:26] <incubii> need to start from scratch
[12:26] <GameCat> I can't code at all - I just want to be able to compile daamt :)
[12:26] <GameCat> er dammit :)
[12:27] <GameCat> I want to be able to type too :)
[12:27] <incubii> lol
[12:32] <_martijn> can someone help me?
[12:32] <GameCat> what with?
[12:33] <_martijn> got a problem using network setting in the kcontrole center
[12:33] <GameCat> ah yeah, try sudo kcontrol in a shell...
[12:33] <_martijn> no thats ok
[12:33] <_martijn> that we solved yesterday
[12:33] <GameCat> hehe
[12:33] <GameCat> okay...
[12:33] <_martijn> when i configure my card
[12:33] <incubii> never had a problem with kcontrol
[12:34] <_martijn> it seems to work
[12:34] <_martijn> but when i stard the device
[12:34] <_martijn> it says ok and then it fails
[12:34] <_martijn> seem config using ifconfig works perfectlly
[12:34] <_martijn> same config i mean
[12:35] <GameCat> what is the failure message?
[12:35] <_martijn> no failure message
[12:35] <_martijn> it just disables the device again
[12:35] <GameCat> ah right
[12:35] <GameCat> and you don't want this device to be started at bot?
[12:35] <GameCat> boot, sorry
[12:35] <_martijn> yes i do
[12:36] <_martijn> you think it will work when rebooting?
[12:36] <spreda> so do i
[12:36] <GameCat> tried editing /etc/networking/interfaces by hand?
[12:36] <_martijn> nope...
[12:36] <_martijn> can have a look
[12:36] <spreda> yep
[12:37] <_martijn> it did configure /etc/networking/interfaces
[12:37] <GameCat> see what it says for that interface, make sure there is a "auto eth0" line for the device
[12:37] <GameCat> or eth-whatever, obviously
[12:37] <_martijn> its there
[12:37] <_martijn> so i suspect nothing important then
[12:37] <GameCat> what else is there for the card?
[12:38] <spreda> GameCat, the Q is how to make it start on reboot?
[12:38] <_martijn> iface eth0 inet static
[12:38] <_martijn> address 192.168.0.1
[12:38] <_martijn> netmask 255.255.255.0
[12:38] <GameCat> yeah, and you can conterol that through that file
[12:38] <_martijn> ok
[12:38] <GameCat> no gateway specified - what kind of network is it?
[12:39] <_martijn> local
[12:39] <_martijn> i'm the server 
[12:39] <GameCat> okay, does it have to connect out to the net?
[12:39] <_martijn> i got an other device for that
[12:39] <GameCat> okay
[12:39] <_martijn> adsl on my eth1
[12:40] <_martijn> ok
[12:40] <_martijn> i suspect nothing very imortant then
[12:40] <GameCat> no
[12:41] <_martijn> thanks a lot
[12:41] <_martijn> oh maybe a last small question
[12:41] <GameCat> iface eth0 inet static
[12:41] <GameCat> address 192.168.0.3
[12:41] <GameCat> netmask 255.255.255.0
[12:41] <GameCat> gateway 192.168.0.1
[12:41] <GameCat> auto eth0
[12:41] <_martijn> how to enable dhcp at boot time
[12:41] <_martijn> dhcpd i mean
[12:41] <GameCat> that is all that is in my interfaces file and that card starts at boot
[12:42] <_martijn> i mean how u start the dhcp server a boot
[12:43] <spreda> GameCat, does the auto ethx make the card start at boot?
[12:43] <GameCat> http://ubuntuguide.org/#installdhcpserver
[12:43] <GameCat> spreda: yes
[12:43] <_martijn> ok thanks ;-)
[12:44] <GameCat> make sure you don't point dhcpd at your adsl :)
[12:44] <spreda> martijn, you have defined your ips, why dhcp?
[12:46] <GameCat> he wants to hand them out, not get one
[12:46] <GameCat> _martijn: how many hosts on the lan?
[12:49] <_martijn> sorry was away
[12:49] <_martijn> only one 
[12:49] <_martijn> very small one
[12:49] <_martijn> by the way
[12:49] <_martijn> isthe an issue with xmms
[12:50] <_martijn> drag-n-drop with konqueror-xmms seems broken
[12:57] <_martijn> network up and running perfectly
[01:01] <spreda> _martijn, welldone! now, will it restart if you reboot?
[01:03] <_martijn> i guess so
[01:03] <_martijn> i'll try a little later: now time for samba and freenx ;-)
[01:11] <_martijn> nobody has had problems with xmms?
[01:24] <GameCat> sorry - busy and passing by - glad to hear the net works - I don't use xmms so I'm no help with that :/
[01:24] <dvoid> dom dom dom
[01:24] <dvoid> _martijn,  whats your xmms problem
[01:25] <spreda> GameCat, you still there?
[01:25] <membreya> incubii: are you there mate?
[01:25] <_martijn> no drag-n-drop with konqueror
[01:26] <GameCat> spreda: yeah, on and off - gotr other stuff to do too :)
[01:27] <membreya> someone wanna test my FTP? I'm not sure if I've established PASV correctly and need an external person to test it
[01:27] <spreda> GameCat, np. do you have a box with more than 1 nic? 
[01:28] <spreda> running hoary?
[01:30] <wfx> hi ;-)
[01:30] <GameCat> spreda: this one :)
[01:31] <GameCat> membreya: gimme an address and I'll try it for you
[01:31] <membreya> GameCat: ....it's cool, got someone to test it :)
[01:32] <GameCat> k
[01:32] <wfx> i use german as default lang but not all app use it (konversation is still in english)
[01:32] <spreda> in /etc /network/interfaces, is there a map ethx for each card?
[01:32] <GameCat> no
[01:32] <GameCat> just eth0
[01:33] <GameCat> but only one interface on here is used regular, the other one is just for the pda
[01:34] <spreda> otherwise both stanza's are the same?
[01:34] <GameCat> yup
[01:35] <GameCat> well, apart from the fact that the 2nd iface has different IPs :)
[01:36] <spreda> I don't know what's going on then. the second nic is the active one, but it won't restart after reboot
[01:36] <GameCat> tried adding a map eth1 line to the hotplug section? my eth1 is deliberately not started at boot...
[01:37] <spreda> after the eth0 line?
[01:37] <GameCat> yeah
[01:38] <GameCat> mapping hotplug
[01:38] <GameCat> 	script grep
[01:38] <GameCat> 	map eth0
[01:38] <GameCat> map eth1
[01:38] <GameCat> like that
[01:38] <spreda> trying
[01:38] <GameCat> make sure you have auto eth1 in there too :)
[01:39] <spreda> yep
[01:40] <spreda> going down
[01:41] <GameCat> okay...
[01:42] <membreya> GameCat: did you want to try my FTP server please?
[01:43] <GameCat> sure - let me know where - use /msg if it ain't public
[01:43] <membreya> it's fine, I don't care if people logon, there's nothing there...
[01:43] <membreya> but firstly..you know what PASV mode is in an FTP client? :P
[01:43] <GameCat> not the worlds most useful ftp yet then :)
[01:43] <GameCat> I do
[01:44] <membreya> IP: 211.28.78.53 port: 2001 username: anonymous (make SURE you type this) password: anything@anything (needs to include @)
[01:47] <GameCat> I'm in
[01:47] <membreya> can you ls?
[01:47] <GameCat> yup, and cd - just looking for something to GET :)
[01:48] <membreya> lol there's only one file and it's a test, technically I have 42gb of music vids :P
[01:48] <GameCat> ncftp / > ls
[01:48] <GameCat> bin/       dev/       incoming/  lib/       lib64/     .notar     pub/
[01:48] <GameCat> ncftp / > cd incoming
[01:48] <GameCat> ncftp /incoming > ls
[01:48] <GameCat> .notar
[01:48] <GameCat> ncftp /incoming > cd ../pub
[01:48] <GameCat> ncftp /pub > ls
[01:48] <GameCat> arcticodyssey.jpg         .notar
[01:48] <GameCat> ncftp /pub > get arcticodyssey.jpg
[01:48] <GameCat> arcticodyssey.jpg:                                      58.97 kB   13.22 kB/s
[01:48] <GameCat> ncftp /pub >               
[01:48] <GameCat> works fine
[01:48] <membreya> thankyou so much GameCat :)
[01:48] <GameCat> (I used "ncftp -P 2001 -u anonymous -P gamecat@kubuntu 211.28.78.53" in case that helps)
[01:48] <membreya> I'm just so damned happy I got it all running :)
[01:48] <GameCat> glad to help m8
[01:49] <membreya> wondering if I can symlink to the other directories :|
[01:49] <membreya> and if I DO symlink how it gets back to /
[01:49] <membreya> I suppose I could symlink it back
[01:49] <GameCat> depends on the server - look at the man page - some have switches to allow following links outside the ftp root, some don't
[01:50] <GameCat> which daemon is it?
[01:50] <membreya> wu-ftpd
[01:50] <GameCat> don't know that one, sorry - I always used pureftpd
[01:50] <GameCat> but that was a while ago too :)
[01:51] <membreya> hang on, I will give you a big'ish file to grab if you like
[01:51] <GameCat> I logged out, but i can log back in if you want to try it
[01:51] <membreya> GameCat: quick question, what type of music do you like?
[01:51] <GameCat> jazz mostly
[01:52] <membreya> :|
[01:52] <GameCat> but I don't use mp3s
[01:52] <membreya> other than jazz?
[01:52] <membreya> music videos, I hate mp3s
[01:52] <membreya> I just want to test your speed
[01:52] <GameCat> don't worry - I'll download whatever is there if you just want to test
[01:52] <spreda> GameCat, that didn't restart
[01:52] <GameCat> spreda: bummer
[01:53] <GameCat> any messages or clues?
[01:54] <spreda> just wasn't there when it came back up
[01:55] <membreya> GameCat: ok, log back in :)
[01:55] <GameCat> anything in /var/log/messages?
[01:55] <GameCat> membreya: already did :)
[01:56] <membreya> go to pub and get the video
[01:56] <membreya> :)
[01:57] <GameCat> getting about 13k/sec here
[01:57] <GameCat> and thats you not me - this is on a 3Mbit link
[01:57] <membreya> not that great :(
[01:57] <membreya> oh well
[01:57] <GameCat> is that on a dsl?
[01:57] <membreya> same GameCat, but I'm in Aus :)
[01:58] <membreya> international link tends to suck a$$
[01:58] <GameCat> your upstream is almost certainly hobbled - mine is 3Mb down 256k up and thats common :(
[01:58] <membreya> max I get when downloading is about 800kB/s
[02:00] <membreya> you can stop now GameCat :P
[02:00] <GameCat> thats high for a 3Mb link - mine tops out at a steady 380k/sec ish
[02:00] <GameCat> okayu :)
[02:01] <membreya> did you want cedega or p2play GameCat ? as a thankyou :)
[02:01] <membreya> not sure how well they work
[02:01] <membreya> just downloaded them
[02:02] <GameCat> no thanks, I'm just happy to help - I don't do warez :)
[02:02] <membreya> evaluation purposes only :)
[02:03] <GameCat> yeah, but i don't play games on here either :)
[02:03] <GameCat> i have a ps2 for that
[02:03] <GameCat> membreya: http://www.wu-ftpd.org/wu-ftpd-faq.html#QA76
[02:03] <GameCat> looks like symlinks are out
[02:04] <membreya> dang :(
[02:05] <spreda> GameCat, can i make it reread and reset the nic? the only one in the box is eth1 atm
[02:06] <GameCat> sudo ifdown eth1
[02:06] <GameCat> sudo ifup eth1
[02:06] <GameCat> that'll do it
[02:06] <GameCat> if it's going to work anyway :)
[02:08] <membreya> GameCat: you might be right, looks like upstream is capped...person on the same cable network oly gets 25kB/s
[02:08] <GameCat> membreya: I'd bet i am ):
[02:08] <membreya> :P
[02:08] <GameCat> oops - upside down smily for aussies :)
[02:08] <membreya> lol!!!
[02:09] <SlackShrike> hi
[02:09] <GameCat> (I'm in the UK, so you are upside down from here)
[02:09] <GameCat> hi SlackShrike 
[02:09] <membreya> wonder if you multithread it ..ie multiple caps of 25kB/s, i doubt it though
[02:09] <SlackShrike> GameCat: Help me please 
[02:09] <membreya> damn limeys GameCat :P
[02:09] <GameCat> membreya: nope, the cap is at the isp end - no way round it
[02:09] <GameCat> SlackShrike: what with?
[02:10] <SlackShrike> GameCat: as it is that it creates ubuntu from scratch ?
[02:10] <GameCat> SlackShrike: I'm not sure i understand
[02:11] <membreya> GameCat: you didn't bite on my limeys comment :P
[02:11] <SlackShrike> How to create a Kubuntu cd install ?
[02:11] <GameCat> SlackShrike: have you downloaded the iso image?
[02:11] <GameCat> membreya: old news m8 :)
[02:12] <membreya> GameCat: I'm 25, all I know is old news :P
[02:12] <GameCat> membreya: and I'm 40 soon... :P
[02:12] <spreda> GameCat, that got a response. "/etc/network/interfaces:29: option with empty value"
[02:13] <SlackShrike> GameCat : No, I am like create a kubuntu.iso in my house !
[02:13] <GameCat> SlackShrike: ah, thats way beyond what i know how to do, sorry
[02:13] <segfault2k> hi
[02:13] <GameCat> spreda: is the eth0 stuff commented out?
[02:14] <GameCat> hehe
[02:14] <SlackShrike> thanks
[02:14] <spreda> not yet
[02:14] <GameCat> spiral: comment out the stuff for the nic thats not there...
[02:14] <spreda> k
[02:14] <membreya> Remember to let her into your heart, Then you can start to make it betterrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
[02:14] <spiral> GameCat: ?
[02:14] <GameCat> not spiral - damned autocomplete
[02:14] <GameCat> sorry m8
[02:14] <spiral> GameCat: all right :-)
[02:14] <GameCat> was aiming for spreda 
[02:15] <membreya> bored of singing now :)
[02:15] <membreya> back to watching Oz :)
[02:16] <Cowlike> is anyone else having a problem running screensavers?
[02:16] <membreya> Cowlike: as in they don't kick in ?
[02:16] <Cowlike> yes
[02:16] <segfault2k> membreya: wazap :P
[02:16] <GameCat> Cowlike: not here
[02:16] <membreya> Cowlike: you need to start the screensaver daemon
[02:17] <membreya> heya segfault2k :)
[02:17] <membreya> that 2k better not mean you're in windows
[02:19] <spreda> GameCat, going down again
[02:19] <GameCat> spreda: have fun
[02:24] <spreda> GameCat, no restart
[02:28] <GameCat> spreda: can you paste your /etc/network/interfaces file?
[02:29] <spreda> GameCat, it's on other box. 
[02:37] <GameCat> any joy?
[02:37] <spreda> GameCat, no but im on box in Q
[02:37] <GameCat> ah right
[02:38] <GameCat> can you paste the file for me now?
[02:38] <spreda> yep is that a pm?
[02:39] <GameCat> just use /msg gamecat <file contents> to save pasting it all in the channel
[02:48] <Chameleon22> hi all
[02:52] <Chameleon22> how can i reset my keybord shortcuts so windows get switched on Alt+Tab , not Ctrl+Tab. Currently Alt+Tab switches desktop but i want it to switch windows
[02:53] <GameCat> thats odd, it's the other way here
[02:53] <Chameleon22> ye i know, i did something i think, probably set to mac style during desktop setup wizard 
[02:53] <GameCat> the only way i know of to swap them is with xmodmap
[02:53] <Chameleon22> which reminds me how do i run desktop setup wizard again ?
[02:54] <dvoid> Chameleon22,  shuld be settings for that i kde control center
[02:55] <Chameleon22> dvoid: i looked there a number of times
[02:55] <dvoid> im looking at it right now ;)
[02:55] <dvoid> accessibility
[02:55] <dvoid> keyboard shortcuts
[02:55] <dvoid> not using kubuntu thou
[02:56] <Chameleon22> dvoid: ye found it :)
[02:56] <Chameleon22> thanks
[02:56] <dvoid> but shuld be the same
[02:56] <dvoid> np
[02:56] <GameCat> what are you using then?
[02:56] <dvoid> using fedora
[02:56] <Chameleon22> woo done :)
[02:56] <Chameleon22> am happy now 
[02:56] <GameCat> good stufrf
[03:18] <spreda> GameCat, that still didn't start on boot
[03:20] <GameCat> damn
[03:21] <GameCat> I'm busy for a mo...
[03:21] <spreda> np
[03:22] <membreya> spreda: what's not starting at boot?
[03:22] <spreda> eth1
[03:22] <membreya> go auto on ?
[03:22] <membreya> erm got even
[03:23] <spreda> yep
[03:23] <membreya> does dmesg say anything about eth1
[03:23] <spreda> just looking
[03:24] <spreda> I can see where i started it
[03:27] <membreya> and once you boot, if you do an ifconfig -a?
[03:27] <spreda> membreya, localhost kernel: apm: overridden by ACPI.
[03:27] <spreda> Apr 25 23:05:48 localhost hal.hotplug[3768] : timout(10000 ms) waiting for /bus/pci/slots 
[03:27] <spreda> Apr 25 23:05:48 localhost pci.agent[5836] : Bad PCI agent invocation
[03:28] <membreya> you mentioned before that you can ifdown and then ifup it? does that bring it online?
[03:30] <spreda> II've been bringing it up by activating it in network settings after booting
[03:31] <spreda> if it was my box it wouldn't be a prob
[03:32] <membreya> eth0 and eth1 are both PCI cards?
[03:32] <spreda> but it's my daughters first linux, and she's an hour away
[03:33] <spreda> eth0 was a pci card, now removed, eth1 is inbuilt
[03:33] <membreya> you have only one ethernet card in there now ?
[03:33] <membreya> then eth1 is null and void
[03:33] <membreya> :|
[03:33] <spreda> yes
[03:34] <membreya> if eth1 is null and void you should be commenting it out of your interfaces
[03:34] <spreda> eth0 is commented out. it doesn't seem to want to drop it though
[03:35] <membreya> spreda: what does dmesg |grep eth0 say?
[03:45] <membreya> spreda...anytime you're ready
[03:45] <membreya> cos I'm going to sleep soon
[03:47] <spreda_> love to. how can I run that?
[03:47] <membreya> dmesg |grep eth0
[03:47] <spreda_> what in?
[03:47] <membreya> terminal :)
[03:48] <spreda> $ dmesg |grep eth0
[03:48] <spreda> eth0: RealTek RTL8139 at 0xe000, 00:0f:ea:af:90:7e, IRQ 17
[03:48] <spreda> eth0:  Identified 8139 chip type 'RTL-8101'
[03:49] <membreya> is that the PCI or the onboard?
[03:50] <spreda_> onboard, i think] 
[03:50] <membreya> ok then, so you need to stop worrying about getting eth1 running, because you've taken the PCI card out and now use the onboard, which is henceforth referred to as eth1
[03:50] <membreya> eth0 even
[03:52] <GameCat> sorry spreda - i didn't realise you'd tugged the other card so my advice was probably crap :/
[03:52] <membreya> so every reference you have in your interfaces file, change the eth1 to eth0 :)
[03:52] <membreya> GameCat: ..you're funny :P
[03:52] <membreya> woooooo ..let's hope Adam fixes a problem for once
[03:52] <rejzer> Is there a way to change default installed kernel from the installer?
[03:52] <GameCat> funny? as in peculiar? :)
[03:53] <membreya> GameCat: funny as in .... ..hmmm lol :P
[03:53] <GameCat> damn, I always wanted to be peculiar
[03:53] <membreya> like telling someone how to fix their car engine...without checking if they have an engine first :P
[03:53] <GameCat> membreya: when we started trying to get this going he had 2 nics in there...
[03:53] <membreya> ahuh :)
[03:54] <membreya> spreda_: fixed it yet.
[03:55] <membreya> or the OTHER option, is to go to /etc/ and edit your iftab file, change the eth0 to eth1 :P
[03:55] <membreya> but I recommend the way I said firstly.
[03:55] <membreya> damn non-communicative types
[03:55] <GameCat> hehe - isn't editing iftab dodgy?
[03:56] <membreya> shhhh
[03:56] <membreya> it just assigns the eth0, eth1 etc to the mac address recorded on the system
[03:56] <GameCat> noted, ta
[03:57] <GameCat> debian is a lot different to the redhat/fedora stuff I'm used to
[03:57] <membreya> GameCat: go look at the file :)
[03:57] <GameCat> I did :)
[03:57] <Chameleon22> can anyone suggest to me a very simple wiki i could use to make notes/document development process of an arbitarry project?
[03:58] <membreya> GameCat: you can also use ifrename
[03:58] <membreya> spreda_: !!!!!!!!!!!!!
[03:58] <spreda_> i'm here
[03:58] <membreya> fixed it ?
[03:59] <spreda_> it's going down
[03:59] <spreda_> find out when it comes up again
[03:59] <membreya> other option spreda_ was to do a sudo ifrename -i eth0 -n eth1
[03:59] <GameCat> Chameleon22: http://www.usemod.com/cgi-bin/wiki.pl I have used that, it's a doddle
[04:00] <membreya> spreda_: so did you change all the comments in your interface file from eth1 to eth0?
[04:00] <Chameleon22> GameCat: thanks, will check it out
[04:00] <spreda_> yep removed all eth1,even
[04:02] <eckhart> hi
[04:02] <membreya> brb
[04:02] <eckhart> how can i activate 3d support in kubuntu?
[04:02] <eckhart> (ati 9200 se)
[04:03] <membreya> eckhart: www.ubuntuguide.org
[04:05] <eckhart> membreya: sure?
[04:05] <eckhart> i can find information for nvidia, but not for ati
[04:06] <membreya> fine fine..
[04:06] <spreda_> well, got rid of eth1 until I reconfigured the ethernet connection
[04:06] <membreya> sudo apt-get install fglrx
[04:06] <membreya> spreda_: what do you mean
[04:07] <spreda_> it reidentified as eth1
[04:09] <membreya> spreda_: you're using gnome or kde?
[04:09] <spreda_> kde
[04:09] <membreya> hmmmmmmmm
[04:09] <eckhart> membreya: i think you meant xorg-drivers-fglrx
[04:09] <membreya> did it automatically activate eth0 at startup and allow connections?
[04:09] <eckhart> the problem is how to configure it
[04:10] <spreda_> no
[04:10] <membreya> hmm
[04:10] <spreda_> you're in au?
[04:11] <GameCat> eckhart: have a look in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:11] <GameCat> eckhart: all the settings shoul;d be controllable in there
[04:12] <eckhart> GameCat: well, which settings do i have to set there?
[04:13] <GameCat> eckhart: that will depend on what the ati drivers require, and i run nvidia...
[04:13] <spreda_> membreya, there is no reference to eth1 in interfaces at all
[04:14] <eckhart> i found a wiki page which deals with that, trying
[04:14] <GameCat> k
[04:15] <spreda_> it must be somwhere else as well
[04:41] <GameCat> moff - see you all later
[04:43] <allee> motaboy ping?
[04:44] <motaboy> allee: Hi
[04:44] <allee> Hi motaboy
[04:44] <membreya> damnit motaboy ... the response is pong!
[04:44] <motaboy> membreya: I don't accept ICMP. :P
[04:44] <membreya> lol
[04:44] <allee> motaboy: quick question for the kbt kitchensync stuff kde-3.4 is necessary for build-dep right?
[04:45] <motaboy> yes.
[04:45] <motaboy> allee: you can take a look at my kdebluetooth packages
[04:46] <allee> Yeah,  I was searching the URL unsuccessfully :(  care to list it ;)
[04:46] <motaboy> allee: http://dev.kubuntu.org.uk/~motaboy/ubuntu/
[04:47] <allee> motaboy: thx!!
[04:47] <motaboy> allee: I fixed a lot of thing in the konnector and I'll do a new package
[04:47] <membreya> ooo motaboy ..you're a dev?
[04:47] <motaboy> allee: just now I'm working on libqobex
[04:47] <motaboy> allee: I want to make some great changes to kdebluetooth :P
[04:48] <allee> motaboy: havn't seen konnector cvs commits?
[04:48] <motaboy> membreya: A sort of :P
[04:48] <motaboy> allee: I commited a week ago I think.
[04:48] <membreya> damn, was about to gripe about things that don't work :P
[04:48] <motaboy> membreya: on kdebluetooth ?
[04:48] <membreya> no :)
[04:48] <membreya> just on kubuntu
[04:48] <motaboy> membreya: eheh
[04:49] <allee> motaboy: great things: post 1.0 release?
[04:49] <motaboy> membreya: don't worry. everything has bugs. just submit but reports. it's the right way to get them fixed
[04:49] <motaboy> allee: I think so.
[04:50] <allee> motaboy: He,  maybe we should hint fred to do 1.0 ;)
[04:50] <membreya> meh, only thing that bothers me is once or twice a day kicker or konq crashes (browsing), kaffeine is a POS and I get an error when I log out ..but can't remember it since I don't reboot often :P
[04:50] <motaboy> allee: I want to put out all the obex things from kdebluetooth and make another package
[04:50] <motaboy> allee: so this stuffs will work with irda/bt/cable
[04:51] <motaboy> allee: and of course depend on kdebluetooth for bt stuffs
[04:52] <allee> motaboy: great!   Any plans to merge debian/*  with freds cvs/debian?
[04:52] <motaboy> allee: I'd be happy to to that
[04:52] <motaboy> allee: but until debian doesn't have kde 3.4 I cannot do it
[04:52] <motaboy> allee: does debian has kde 3.4?
[04:53] <allee> motaboy: 3.4 not officially.  But the devs have 3.4 ready 'before' kubuntu.   Kubuntu debs are based on them ;)
[04:54] <allee> motaboy: AFAIK 3.4 will soon be uploaded to experimental
[04:55] <allee> motaboy: OT:  my mobile contracts ends.  When you were me what BT handy would you try to get?
[04:55] <motaboy> P900/1000 ?
[04:55] <motaboy> :D
[04:55] <allee> motaboy: I'm most important is addressbook exchange
[04:56] <motaboy> allee: mmm I don't know the status of the syncml konnector
[04:56] <allee> motaboy: Why :D?  Aren't the available for 0/1 Euro + contract ;)
[04:56] <motaboy> allee: http://www.borowka.net/~maciek/ksyncml/
[04:57] <motaboy> allee: in Italy not... :(
[04:58] <allee> Munic is almost in Italy.  Maybe time to change to another italian region ;)
[05:11] <kkathman> Anyone have an idea what this problem is?  I got it when I updated today:  E: /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4-0x1.6b7820000005ap-1363.4.0-0ubuntu3.1_all.deb:  trying to overwrite `/usr/share/icons/default.kde', which is also in package knetworkconf
[05:12] <KaiL> sudo "dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4%3a3.4.0-0ubuntu3.1_all.deb" 
[05:12] <kkathman> thanks KaiL :)
[05:12] <KaiL> or with that filename there better..:)
[05:13] <kkathman> KaiL: you mean the knetworkconf?
[05:13] <kkathman> or the default.kde?
[05:13] <KaiL> the kdelibs-data
[05:13] <kkathman> ahh ok
[05:14] <kkathman> KaiL: so your original statement was ok then right?
[05:14] <kkathman> this was during an upgrade
[05:15] <KaiL> sudo "dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4-0x1.6b7820000005ap-1363.4.0-0ubuntu3.1_all.deb"
[05:15] <KaiL> for you
[05:15] <kkathman> okies...thanks
[05:18] <kkathman> ahhhh there is an error in that package I think
[05:19] <KaiL> I wonder, why you have this different filename
[05:19] <kkathman> KaiL: I wonder how much that will mess things up, since I updated all the other items ?
[05:20] <KaiL> kkathman: in nothing
[05:20] <KaiL> there a folder gets overwritten by "itself" :)
[05:21] <kkathman> there were like 10 updates, all installed ok except that one, and that statement failed
[05:22] <Super_Cat_Frog> hi - is anybody else having problems with vmware's performance?
[05:23] <Super_Cat_Frog> vmware workstation is gobbling up about 50% cpu time on an athlon-xp 2500, and xine keeps skipping because of it (it didn't used to do this)
[05:23] <Super_Cat_Frog> all im doing in vmware is running windows xp (with all the nasty looking 'pretty' stuff turned off) and installing vb5 
[05:23] <MetalProc> I have troubles updatins my kde-libs. Has anyone else had any problems with it?
[05:24] <Super_Cat_Frog> the only explanation i can think of is vmware has become self-aware and decided vb5 is evil
[05:24] <marcus> hi folks
[05:24] <marcus> does anyone know how to regenerate the kde menu structure?
[05:25] <Super_Cat_Frog> marcus - i had that problem
[05:25] <Super_Cat_Frog> i cant remember which worked, but one did:
[05:25] <Super_Cat_Frog> kbuildsycoca
[05:25] <MetalProc> I have tried apt-het clean and then doing apt-get update again, but it still has troubles processing kde-libs
[05:25] <Super_Cat_Frog> or rm -r ~/.kd* (will delete all your kde,kmail etc settings)
[05:25] <MetalProc> This is what it says: E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[05:26] <Super_Cat_Frog> metalproc - are you using strange repo's?
[05:26] <MetalProc> Super_Cat_Frog: Only those listed in wikis and such
[05:26] <marcus> Super_Cat_Frog: nope... deleting whole .kde is not an option and I tried kbuildsycoca
[05:27] <MetalProc> Super_Cat_Frog: I guess they are quite regular
[05:27] <bzbb> MetalProc, have you run the script in the topic?
[05:27] <stianh> hey, anyone got a suggestion for an application to make vector graphics in (i.e. logo's)?
[05:27] <bzbb> I had that problem, and the script fixed it right up
[05:27] <marcus> stianh: inkscape
[05:28] <MetalProc> bzbb: Oh, stupid me, didn't check out the topic :) I'll try it out.. Sorry everyone..
[05:28] <sproingie> lovely.  debootstrap doesn't give me a working resolver
[05:28] <sproingie> makes it pretty freggin hard to update the chroot
[05:30] <sproingie> feh wrong chan
[05:30] <Super_Cat_Frog> can anybody explain why my loadaverage average is about 3, yet my cpuusage is at abou 90% (90% is about right, xine is jumping)
[05:46] <marcus> well... I still don't have my menu back....
[05:47] <MetalProc> Seems to be working now
[06:07] <spiral> hi
[06:08] <spiral> yippeee ! I'm under kubuntu again.. Goodbye SuSE :-)
[06:08] <randabis> yay
[06:08] <spiral> it was hard... But I had it !! damned laptop :-p
[06:34] <Fhigo> hi .. anybody there who can tell me how to install flashplayer for konqueror?
[06:35] <_kkathman> Fhigo have you installed it for anything else, like FireFox?
[06:36] <Fhigo> no
[06:36] <Fhigo> cause i havn't got installed no other browser
[06:36] <_kkathman> ok
[06:36] <KaiL> flashplugin-nonfree from multiverse.
[06:36] <_kkathman> well first you need to install the player, probably the Netscape/Firefox one will be fine
[06:37] <Fhigo> KaiL, ?where to get?
[06:37] <KaiL> first you go to /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:37] <Fhigo> ok
[06:37] <_kkathman> Then, once you do that, go to Konqueror->Settings->Configure Konqueror , choose the plugins option on the left panel, then scan for where you installed it
[06:38] <KaiL> there's a line with "universe" at the end. Put a multiverse behind.
[06:38] <_kkathman> or you could simply go to the Macromedia site and not go through all that :)
[06:38] <Fhigo> he he 
[06:38] <KaiL> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary universe multiverse
[06:38] <KaiL> ...afterwards
[06:38] <Fhigo> yep KaiL 
[06:38] <_kkathman> KaiL: look up :)
[06:38] <KaiL> if there's still a # at the beginning, remove that.
[06:39] <Fhigo> ok
[06:39] <KaiL> _kkathman: I try to do it the clean way, which also includes automatic updates
[06:39] <Fhigo> also @ securty?
[06:39] <Fhigo> security
[06:39] <_kkathman> kinda around the elbow to get to the thumb tho :)
[06:39] <_kkathman> hehe
[06:39] <Fhigo> KaiL, ?
[06:39] <KaiL> Fhigo: there will be no sec-updates for multiverse
[06:39] <Fhigo> hmm
[06:39] <Fhigo> ohh
[06:40] <KaiL> they will just wait for fixed upstream versions
[06:40] <KaiL> flash is nonfree!
[06:40] <Fhigo> i just saw .. there's no multiverse
[06:40] <Fhigo> eb http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[06:40] <Fhigo> deb-src http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[06:40] <Fhigo> just these
[06:40] <KaiL> yes. put multiverse behind
[06:40] <Fhigo> ok
[06:41] <Fhigo> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security main restricted
[06:41] <Fhigo> deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security main restricted
[06:41] <Fhigo> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security universe
[06:41] <Fhigo> deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security universe
[06:41] <Fhigo> rest is ok?
[06:41] <KaiL> yes
[06:41] <Fhigo> nice :)
[06:41] <KaiL> now save the file, close the editor
[06:41] <Fhigo> fu** ..
[06:41] <Fhigo> i'm no root
[06:41] <Fhigo> Oo
[06:42] <KaiL> ...sudo ;)
[06:42] <Fhigo> ok yes
[06:42] <KaiL> or better "kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list" which is needed for a graphical editor
[06:43] <Fhigo> hehe
[06:43] <Fhigo> no not required ;)
[06:43] <Fhigo> sooo
[06:43] <Fhigo> done
[06:43] <Fhigo> :)
[06:43] <Fhigo> KaiL, what means multiverse?
[06:43] <KaiL> debian called that "nonfree"
[06:44] <KaiL> apps, which are not under a free licence
[06:44] <Fhigo> ahh
[06:44] <Fhigo> ok
[06:44] <Fhigo> lol
[07:03] <flames> hello, where find i knewsticker run file? can i run it standalone, not on panel?
[07:06] <Akeru> Hi there, is anyone using scim to input japanese here ?
[07:25] <Akeru> still no one with japanese input in KDE ?
[07:26] <Astinus_> Huulloh, is it possible to change monitor type in kubuntu without editing xorg files in a texteditor? 
[07:27] <KaiL> not yet afair
[07:28] <KaiL> the autodetection doesn't work that good
[07:34] <Akeru> but monitor type you mean the resolution ?
[07:35] <KaiL> the hsync and vsync could be autodetected, but this doesn't work that good very often...
[07:35] <Astinus_> Akeru: yes
[07:36] <Akeru> Well you can change it trough the KDE Control center, can't you ?
[07:37] <KaiL> only reduce the resolution
[07:38] <Akeru> you can also select the refresh rate
[07:38] <KaiL> sometimes :)
[07:38] <Astinus_> i figured it out :)
[07:38] <Akeru> hehe
[07:39] <KaiL> afair it's quite foot, if you have the monitor configured well
[07:39] <KaiL> quite good...
[07:39] <Astinus_> oh, does kubuntu have anything like knoppix detecting and mounting partitions automatically? 
[07:39] <KaiL> not for internal Hard Disks
[07:39] <KaiL> but something VERY good for external devices
[07:40] <Akeru> Well, that could be nice to have indeed
[07:40] <KaiL> yes
[07:41] <stianh> Hey people. when trying to run apt in any manor (apt-get, kynaptic and synaptic) I am told to run "dpkg --configure -a". When i do so I get an error on the package "contact-lookup-applet", with a message that should translate into "missing version". Any suggestions?
[07:41] <KaiL> stianh: could you give us the exact error? (copy&paste..)
[07:42] <Akeru> Hmm, how could this be done (hdd partition detection)
[07:42] <stianh> stian@shuttlestar:~$ sudo dpkg --configure -a
[07:42] <stianh> dpkg: tolkingsfeil, i fila /var/lib/dpkg/status nr linje 19552 pakken contact-lookup-applet:
[07:42] <stianh>  mangler version
[07:42] <stianh> there you are
[07:42] <KaiL> Akeru: the Problem are some raid controllers, which still show the partitions manually to the system...
[07:43] <stianh> but it is in norwegian, so it won't helo you if you're not norwegian, or speak it :P
[07:43] <Akeru> show the partitions manually ?
[07:43] <KaiL> export LANG=C
[07:43] <KaiL> ...in that console :)
[07:43] <Astinus_> what was the first public ubuntu version? 
[07:43] <Akeru> warty I think
[07:43] <stianh> KaiL: was that for me?
[07:43] <Astinus_> Akeru: version number?
[07:44] <Akeru> stianh: yup it was or you
[07:44] <KaiL> Akeru: if you have a raid1 over hda and hdb, accessing hda seperate would destroy the data....
[07:44] <Akeru> Astinus_: 4. something
[07:44] <KaiL> Astinus_: 4.10 (=October 2004)
[07:44] <Astinus_> oh okay.
[07:44] <Akeru> KaiL: d'oh, this should be handled by the controler
[07:44] <KaiL> Akeru: yes...
[07:45] <KaiL> and until this isn fixed, pmount ignores internal disks
[07:45] <Fhigo> whats the best browser?
[07:45] <Fhigo> better which one :
[07:45] <stianh> KaiL: i did so, and I still get the same message, and I cannot do "sudo export LANG=C"
[07:45] <Fhigo> :)
[07:45] <KaiL> Fhigo: konqueror, opera, mozilla...:)
[07:45] <Fhigo> ;)
[07:45] <Fhigo> THE BEST ;)
[07:46] <KaiL> stianh: sudo "export LANG=C; dpkg --configure -a"
[07:46] <Akeru> Fhigo: depends on your taste ;)
[07:46] <Fhigo> ok ;)
[07:46] <stianh> KaiL: results as follows:
[07:46] <stianh> stian@shuttlestar:~$ sudo "export LANG=C; dpkg --configure -a"
[07:46] <stianh> sudo: export LANG=C; dpkg --configure -a: command not found
[07:46] <KaiL> hmm
[07:46] <KaiL> sudo su
[07:47] <Akeru> (this is why I set up a root password btw)
[07:47] <KaiL> and then both seperate
[07:47] <KaiL> Akeru: sudo su gives you a rootshell :)
[07:47] <stianh> cool :)
[07:47] <stianh> but still, the same message on dpkg --configure -a :/
[07:47] <KaiL> huh?
[07:47] <Akeru> yup, but I somehow don't feel good having  a password of user used as the root password
[07:48] <stianh> dpkg: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/status' near line 19552 package `contact-lookup-applet':
[07:48] <stianh>  missing version
[07:48] <stianh> KaiL: "dpkg --configure -a" still returns 
[07:48] <stianh> the above
[07:48] <Akeru> stianh: the command lang=c was just to set the error message in english
[07:49] <stianh> lol
[07:49] <stianh> I see that now :)
[07:49] <KaiL> hmm
[07:49] <KaiL> `/var/lib/dpkg/status' broken
[07:49] <KaiL> bad
[07:49] <KaiL> very very bad
[07:49] <stianh> sorry, it actually worked the first time I did export LANG=C then :)
[07:50] <stianh> KaiL: oh? :(
[07:50] <stianh> how very very bad?
[07:50] <KaiL> well, that's the list of installed packages...
[07:51] <Akeru> how can I find the packages that contains a specified file ?
[07:51] <stianh> :O
[07:51] <stianh> am I right in guessing that it cannot be rebuildt?
[07:52] <KaiL> maybe we can fix that manually
[07:53] <KaiL> cat /var/lib/dpkg/status | grep -A3 -B3 "contact-lookup-applet"
[07:53] <KaiL> could you paste the 7 lines, this should give?
[07:54] <stianh>  Rasqal is designed for performance, flexibility and embedding (no
[07:54] <stianh>  memory leaks) and to track ongoing RDF query language work.
[07:54] <stianh> Package: contact-lookup-applet
[07:54] <stianh> Status: purge ok installed
[07:54] <stianh> Priority: optional
[07:54] <stianh> Section: gnome
[07:54] <Fhigo> oh yes i'm lovin it ... kubuntu
[07:54] <Fhigo> ;)
[07:54] <stianh> KaiL: there's an empty line in there, which would make it seven lines
[07:55] <KaiL> hmm
[07:55] <KaiL> VERY interesting...
[07:57] <stianh> hmm
[07:57] <stianh> ok, I actually vim'ed that file and scrolled down to that package
[07:58] <stianh> the listing for that package stops after five lines
[07:58] <stianh> Architecture: i386
[07:58] <KaiL> ah, yes...
[07:58] <KaiL> remove all that 5 lines :)
[07:58] <KaiL> then save
[07:59] <KaiL> this SHOULD work
[07:59] <stianh> yeah I thought I'd do that
[07:59] <stianh> and it DOES work :D
[07:59] <stianh> thanks :)
[08:00] <Akeru> back
[08:00] <KaiL> good
[08:00] <KaiL> maybe you need an "apt-get -f install" now
[08:01] <stianh> what'll that do?
[08:01] <KaiL> stianh: which filesystem and what harddisk is used for /var/...?
[08:01] <stianh> ext3, and it would be hda6 I think, or hda5
[08:02] <KaiL> that'll repair missing packages, if the dependencies are broken because this package is now listed as "was never installed"
[08:02] <KaiL> I mean, which hardware
[08:02] <stianh> I have no clue
[08:02] <stianh> it's a laptop
[08:03] <KaiL> if that's a older HD already making unnormal noice, you should think about replacing it ;)
[08:03] <stianh> hehe, no it's new. i should actually know what type it is, since I put it in there myself :) but I'm not having any trouble with it (it's about two months old)
[08:05] <KaiL> now the question is, what went wrong here....
[08:05] <Akeru> (still no one with japanese input?)
[08:06] <stianh> KaiL: what I should have done was see when the file was last edited, before I edited it, perhaps. and then check logs
[08:07] <KaiL> installed or uninstalled anything
[08:16] <KaiL_> stupid 24h disconnect
[08:36] <stianh> any suggestions for a good ftpclient for kde that works similar to gftp?
[08:36] <KaiL_> konqueror? *g*
[08:36] <stianh> konqueror is a horrible ftpklient
[08:36] <stianh> slow as a turtle
[08:37] <Anlar> funny, I can get upto 1 kilobyte/s.. but perhaps it is slow..
[08:37] <buz> lynx is fast
[08:37] <stianh> a whole KILO byte? :o
[08:38] <buz> surfing with GSM?
[08:38] <KaiL_> maybe that's a fast connection in Finnland :)
[08:38] <stianh> hehe
[08:38] <buz> them scandinavians generally got mighty fast pipes
[08:39] <stianh> i've got 1,6mbit
[08:39] <buz> at least one thing they get for their high taxes ;)
[08:39] <stianh> mostly the sweedes that's got the fastes pipes, up to 100mbit for no money at all
[08:39] <buz> i wouldnt call 60% taxes no money at all
[08:39] <uniq_> stianh: tried kbear? (ftp-client)
[08:39] <stianh> here in norway we are blessed with moronic businesspeople
[08:39] <stianh> uniq_: no, I'll check it out, thanks :)
[08:40] <KaiL_> 100mbit? grr
[08:40] <buz> in switzerland we at least have the cablecompany fighting with the telco at some times
[08:40] <buz> so now we get 2mbit for 50E
[08:40] <buz> not quite cheap but acceptable
[08:40] <KaiL_> here nothing above 3MBIt can be payed by "normal" people...
[08:40] <stianh> yeah, Bredbndsbolaget they're called. they were starting up here in norway as well, but were squeezed away
[08:41] <buz> isnt swedish broadband a governmental organization? or at least tax founded...
[08:41] <stianh> no
[08:42] <stianh> or at least I think not, but might be subsidised since the swedish has said that everyone should get broadband nomatter where they live
[08:42] <buz> i thought it was
[08:42] <buz> i don't think any sane company would provide 10mbit out in the woods
[08:43] <stianh> hehe, no, which is I why I suppose they are paid to set up the initial connection
[08:44] <buz> so essentially it IS tax funded
[08:44] <stianh> not entirely
[08:44] <buz> laying the pipe is the expensive part
[08:44] <stianh> sweden isn't all wasteland
[08:44] <buz> yeah sure
[08:44] <buz> but its not like a private company could afford fibre to the home like in hongkong
[08:46] <buz> i sure wouldn't mind those pipes ;)
[08:46] <stianh> :)
[08:46] <uniq_> in norway the government pays for some of the infrastructure needed to provide connections to remote places.
[08:47] <stianh> there is a private company here in town who deliver 100mbit to appartment buildings and similar
[08:47] <uniq_> i'd guess .se does the same.
[08:47] <stianh> my sister is moving to one of those places soon, a week after she has moved in I'll have a server at her appartment :P
[08:53] <Akeru> still no one using japanese input in KDE ?
[09:15] <KaiL_> nobody with problems?
[09:25] <mrmanic> my install of kopete seems to have issues in hoary.
[09:25] <mrmanic> I can't receive AIM messages
[09:25] <mrmanic> but I can receive MSN messages
[09:25] <mrmanic> anybody else having these issues?
[09:38] <mrmanic> apparently other people are having these issues
[09:38] <mrmanic> but no apparent resolution
[09:46] <reagleBRKLN> i seem to be missing my tools>validate
[09:46] <reagleBRKLN> in konq
[09:46] <kikov> dcopserver: relocation error: /usr/lib/libqt-mt.so.3: undefined symbol: _ZN8QGVector4readER11QDataStrea -> is this normal?
[09:47] <reagleBRKLN> maybe i need kde-extras?
[09:47] <reagleBRKLN> no....
[09:48] <darkultima> bonjour
[09:48] <darkultima> euh j'ai un problme avec le live cd de kubuntu :/
[09:48] <reagleBRKLN> dang it, where is it...?
[09:49] <darkultima> quelqu'un pour m'aider svp?
[09:51] <reagleBRKLN> huh, this says konq-plugins, and I have it installed: http://docs.kde.org/en/3.4/kdebase/konqueror/konq-plugin.html
[09:51] <AndreH> has anyone tried using kdevelop and the qt-designer? I want to edit a cpp file in the qt-designer, but I get the following error: "there is no plugin for editing c++ code installed"
[09:51] <AndreH> but kdevelop3-plugins is installed
[09:51] <reagleBRKLN> oops, i mean kdeaddons
[09:52] <osh> I'm looking for a guide on kubuntu and WEP. Whenever I turn it on the wireless card stops working. :-(
[09:53] <reagleBRKLN> ah. it's configurable now in "configure extensions"
[09:55] <osh> Hmm, found the answer myself. It's here: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-25949.html
[09:55] <osh> If anyone should run into the same problem.
[10:14] <KaiL_> ?
[10:15] <kkathman> greetings all :)
[10:15] <KaiL_> fresh problems?
[10:17] <kkathman> hey there KaiL_ wassup :)
[10:20] <KaiL_> very few hardware problems here...
[10:20] <KaiL_> except X config
[10:20] <KaiL_> really nobody with some unworking devices?
[10:22] <osh> me...
[10:22] <KaiL_> tell us
[10:23] <osh> right now I'm doing some crap with my wireless card. I'm close to getting it to work with wep... I think...
[10:24] <osh> then on my other machine (amd64) I had issues with both sound and video and my gfx-card wasn't accelerated. but that was ubuntu, not kubuntu.
[10:26] <KaiL_> if it's ubuntu 5.10, the problem is valid for kubuntu too
[10:26] <KaiL_> sound: onboard nforce4?
[10:27] <osh> KaiL_: No, actually a audigy2 so I really expected it to work. Someone said something about a mixer but I didn't investigate much. I just noted that it didn't work. 
[10:27] <KaiL_> that's strange, as I got an Audigy2 to work :)
[10:28] <osh> And on my little lappy here it appears to be standard to crash out from the kde control center (admin mode) rather than a graceful exit. ;-)
[10:28] <KaiL_> start kmix and look, if there are totally silly values for master and pcm
[10:28] <osh> Now it appears as if the battery is running out on my laptop so I'v got to go. I'll come back tomorrow though.
[10:29] <KaiL_> grab a cable :)
[10:29] <osh> G'nite. Sorry for just bitching about things not working and then leaving but I've got to go. Later.
[10:29] <KaiL_> try tomorrow..
[10:29] <osh> I will.
[10:29] <KaiL_> somebody else? :)
[10:39] <allee> KaiL_: I have a cable.  thx ;)
[10:40] <KaiL_> anymody already tried a VIA K8T890 or nForce 4 Mainboard (means pci-express..)?
[10:40] <KaiL_> that was for osh 
[10:40] <essobi_> Jeez, #ubuntu is a mad house.
[10:41] <KaiL_> why?
[10:41] <kkathman> just a lot of people in there asking questions
[10:42] <essobi_> Yea..
[10:42] <KaiL_> maybe I should try to help there a bit with the hardware issues?
[10:42] <essobi_> Man.. I can't figure out out for the life of my what I'm building wrong in my kernels. :|
[10:42] <kkathman> hey KaiL_  I was going to check that script up there that will fix the kdelibs bug, but when I click it, the system comes back and wants to know what application to use to run it...what should I use?
[10:43] <KaiL_> essobi_: use the kernel images shipped with (k)ubuntu :)
[10:43] <allee> kkathman: shift click?
[10:43] <KaiL_> kkathman: the script needs to be run as root - "sudo su kdelibs-debug.sh"
[10:45] <essobi_> KaiL_ I got a radeon X300 and the drivers with ubuntu are not the latest release
[10:45] <KaiL_> essobi_: then you only need to rebuild that module
[10:45] <essobi_> So to use it multi-head I need to build the newest ones, and that means building a kernel
[10:45] <kkathman> KaiL_: I know, I'd love to save it, but it doesnt give me a chance...its just opening up this dialog that asks me to run an application :)  ARGG!
[10:45] <KaiL_> headers: apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`
[10:46] <essobi_> I did that.
[10:46] <essobi_> it won't build with just those.
[10:47] <essobi_> Kail Mmm. I'm going to go zap the DRM modules, and re-run depmod
[10:49] <kkathman> ok, then how do I just download that script?
[10:50] <essobi_> KaiL_ Entering directory `/lib/modules/2.6.11-1-686-smp/build'  make[1] : *** No rule to make target `modules'.  Stop.  Exits on an error 2.. :\
[10:50] <KaiL_> what on earth tries the ATI driver there..?!?
[10:52] <essobi_> MEhe
[10:53] <essobi_> the make.sh to build the modules..
[10:54] <kkathman> aha...got it... had to just download it and run...do I need to now run that last update that didnt go?
[10:55] <essobi_> KaiL_ That actually works when I build the kernel by hand.. build exists and it proceeds..
[10:56] <DaSkreech> The Live CD Doesn't mount drives?
[10:56] <DaSkreech> Except Swap Drives?
[11:07] <DaSkreech> *pokes*
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[11:09] <gdh> :)
[11:09] <DaSkreech> So is there any work being done to get the Live CD to automount existing drives?
[11:11] <gdh> no idea, but I think that's a bad idea for something that 'doesn't touch your disks at all'
[11:12] <DaSkreech> well it half way does it
[11:12] <DaSkreech> When in media it has all the drives as /dev
[11:12] <DaSkreech> Seems a bit silly
[11:12] <gdh> hm that sounds a bit broken, yeh.. I'm no devel so have no idea =)
[11:12] <DaSkreech> Ok
[11:13] <DaSkreech> I like the mindmap idea though
[11:13] <Nextor> Hello! I installed Kubuntu yesterday and I want to install kdevelop, and it is not in the repository. How can I install it?
[11:14] <DaSkreech> Kubuntu (I suppose by extension of KDE3.4) is really polished though
[11:14] <DaSkreech> Nextor: It isn't?
[11:14] <DaSkreech> Nextor: Which repository are you using?
[11:14] <Nextor> ummm DaSkreech wait...
[11:14] <DaSkreech> :-)
[11:15] <Nextor> main restricted,  I suppose
[11:16] <DaSkreech> try universe
[11:16] <DaSkreech> You know what they say.. If its not in the universe....
[11:17] <gdh> ... then it's probably non-free in multiverse, if you believe that exists =)
[11:17] <Nextor> Someone said to me that repository can harm my system when I do a dist-upgrade
[11:18] <gdh> Nextor: if you're using an 'unstable' system (i.e. unreleased) then yes
[11:19] <Nextor> I use horay. I was using debian for three years But I started to use gentoo two years ago...
[11:19] <Nextor> is horay unstable or stable?
[11:19] <gdh> hoary is now stable - was released a few weeks ago
[11:20] <gdh> upgrades to hoary are only small bugfixes + security updates
[11:20] <DaSkreech> Nextor: how long have you been using Kubuntu?
[11:20] <Nextor> :)
[11:20] <Nextor> 2 days
[11:21] <DaSkreech> You should be coool then
[11:21] <essobi_> Hmm
[11:21] <Nextor> that is the problem... I know about sarge, sid and other debian repositories but notjhing about restricted, universe, multiverse....
[11:22] <essobi_> yeaaa.
[11:22] <KaiL_> restricted: nonfree drivers, which are still on the CD (ATI, Nvidia...)
[11:22] <essobi_> I like kubuntu/ubuntu and all, but man.. there's still a few things to work out.. I think I'll come back in a few months and revisit..
[11:22] <KaiL_> universe: free apps, which are not on the cd
[11:22] <KaiL_> multiverse: other nonfree stuff
[11:23] <Nextor> then, can I uncomment the universe apt lines without problem in my upgrades?
[11:23] <DaSkreech> essobi_: What do you want fixed?
[11:24] <Nextor> :) Thanks, kdevelop is the universe!!!
[11:25] <essobi_> DaSkreech I don't know.. I came from a debian background.. and something just seems foreign to me.. not sure what..
[11:25] <DaSkreech> how long have you been playing with it?
[11:25] <Nextor> essobi_: I came from gentoo and I used debian years ago, and (k)ubuntu is different
[11:26] <pv_> It's pretty similar to debian unstable
[11:26] <Nextor> too easy xD
[11:26] <essobi_> yea.. but thing work when I do an apt-get in debian unstable. ;)
[11:26] <essobi_> And this whole xorg switch over is wierd too
[11:27] <Nextor> xorg is better than xfree IMHO
[11:28] <pv_> I haven't seen any problems in Ubuntu with apt-get.
[11:29] <DaSkreech> essobi_: Well I suppose Debian is purer
[11:29] <DaSkreech> essobi_: What broke in apt-get for you?
[11:38] <GameCat> hi
[11:39] <DaSkreech> HI
[11:40] <GameCat> anyone in who knows how to get qt to work for compiling apps?
[11:40] <Nextor> apt-get install libqt3-headers qt3-dev-tools libqt3-mt-dev
[11:41] <Nextor> I think this is enough
[11:41] <Nextor> isn't it?
[11:41] <GameCat> nope
[11:41] <GameCat> $ dpkg -l|grep qt3
[11:41] <GameCat> ii  libqt3-headers 3.3.3-7ubuntu3 Qt3 header files
[11:41] <GameCat> ii  libqt3-mt-dev  3.3.3-7ubuntu3 Qt development files (Threaded)
[11:41] <GameCat> ii  libqt3c102     3.3.3-7ubuntu3 Qt GUI Library, Version 3
[11:41] <GameCat> ii  libqt3c102-mt  3.3.3-7ubuntu3 Qt GUI Library (Threaded runtime version), V
[11:41] <GameCat> ii  qt3-designer   3.3.3-7ubuntu3 Qt3 Designer
[11:41] <GameCat> ii  qt3-dev-tools  3.3.3-7ubuntu3 Qt3 development tools
[11:41] <GameCat> already have those
[11:43] <DaSkreech> What are you compiling?
[11:43] <pv_> They should be enough. If not, the problem may also be in the app's configure script.
[11:43] <GameCat> it's any kde apps I try to compile
[11:43] <GameCat> all fail with checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.0.3) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation!
[11:46] <GameCat> could it be something gcc is missing? what do I need on that side?
[11:58] <Nextor> I've installed qt designer and assistant and they don't appear in the menu, why?
[11:58] <_root> hi
[12:00] <_matej> hellow
[12:00] <DaSkreech> Nextor: I Figure some stuff just won't turn up
[12:00] <_matej> can anybody paste me his sources.list plssssssss _
[12:00] <_matej> can anybody paste me his sources.list pls? (pvt)
[12:01] <DaSkreech> ;-)