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tseng | hi tfheen | 12:36 |
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tfheen | hi tseng | 12:36 |
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lsuactiafner | anyone here got an idea as to how i can compile a 32bit mplayer binary so i can use the win32 codecs to play wmv files? | 01:03 |
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pitti | guys: does anybody of you know about bluetooth? Neither Thom nor I do, so we desperately need some technical support in today's BoF | 01:17 |
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cc | pitti: i sort of fiddle with bluez, but we recently broke it in rawhide; i'd be glad to come along to the BoF | 01:21 |
pitti | cc: that'd rock, thanks | 01:21 |
cc | pitti: but i dont know how bluetooth support in debian/ubuntu is like ;-) i'll learn i'm sure | 01:22 |
pitti | cc: it will already help to have sb who knows use cases and some general stuff | 01:22 |
lsuactiafner | anyone here know how to cross compile 32bit binaries on a 64bit system? need to make mplayer use the wmv codecs that aint 64bit, realise i asked like 5 mins ago but need sleep now | 01:23 |
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tfheen | lsuactiafner: the easiest way to do it is to compile on ia32, but you can also use gcc-3.4 and use -m32 | 01:35 |
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lsuactiafner | thanks, going to try it along with a chrooted 32bit environment | 01:37 |
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lsuactiafner | 64bit mplayer aint of any use if it cant play wma files, there should be a mplayer64 binary and mplayer32 available to 64bit users | 01:41 |
lsuactiafner | seems its going to work | 01:43 |
schweeb | lsuactiafner: pretty sure all the libraries that it is compiled against have to be 32bit as well... so your chroot is probably your best option | 01:44 |
lsuactiafner | yeh, didnt know about chroot | 01:44 |
lsuactiafner | very nice | 01:44 |
lsuactiafner | compiling mplayer as if for slackware atm it seems | 01:45 |
schweeb | hah | 01:45 |
lsuactiafner | hope i can execute the binary somehow to play wmv files | 01:45 |
lsuactiafner | would i need to chroot i suppose to use this binary? | 01:45 |
lsuactiafner | hmm static... | 01:45 |
lsuactiafner | should try that | 01:45 |
schweeb | yea, static compilation should do it | 01:46 |
schweeb | (no direct experience though) | 01:46 |
lsuactiafner | yeh same, am basically a slackware user used to having many libs and development tools on my pc | 01:47 |
tfheen | lsuactiafner: we can | 01:47 |
lsuactiafner | at first when i ran ubuntu i was like no way no gcc... | 01:47 |
tfheen | we can't ship the proprietary codecs anyhow | 01:47 |
lsuactiafner | yeh, but there should be an easy way so anybody can run wmv files.. | 01:47 |
schweeb | hopefully you discovered apt-get ? | 01:47 |
lsuactiafner | like a warning 'continue if you dont give a hell option' | 01:47 |
lsuactiafner | yeh found apt-get | 01:47 |
schweeb | there may be something on the wiki for 64bit | 01:48 |
tfheen | lsuactiafner: _we_ can't ship them. We'd be legally liable and an easy target. | 01:48 |
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schweeb | look on the wiki, there's the marillat sources, which are 32bit | 01:48 |
lsuactiafner | dont ship em, but give the user intruction how to get the codecs ect easily? wont that be more legal? | 01:48 |
schweeb | they have mplayer in 32bit and the codecs | 01:49 |
lsuactiafner | i got from mplayerhq | 01:49 |
schweeb | lsuactiafner: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RestrictedFormats | 01:49 |
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schweeb | basically, you're gonna wanna make a 32bit ubuntu install in a chroot, and run mplayer from there... | 01:50 |
schweeb | which, you can use debootstrap to do | 01:51 |
lsuactiafner | ah ok maybe i should read more | 01:52 |
lsuactiafner | i got a 32bit slackware install already, might be lucky and have it work | 01:52 |
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lsuactiafner | W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net unstable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not | 02:04 |
lsuactiafner | available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907 | 02:04 |
lsuactiafner | http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptAuthenticationInstructionsForHoary followed those instructions | 02:04 |
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luis_ | is there a udu channel somewhere? | 02:26 |
robertj | are you Louis Villa? | 02:27 |
toresbe | "udu"? | 02:27 |
robertj | ubuntu down udner | 02:27 |
toresbe | aha | 02:27 |
robertj | err under | 02:27 |
luis_ | robertj: luis villa, yes | 02:28 |
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robertj | have you checked the udu wiki? | 02:29 |
robertj | I just did and didn't come up with anything | 02:29 |
luis_ | I have not | 02:29 |
cc | luis_: that is probably well worthwhile to have; and also, someone better talk to lilo (freenode network) to not get annoyed with intern146.lnk.telstra.net | 02:30 |
robertj | AFAIK all the past stuff has occured here since the name was finalized | 02:32 |
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Burgundavia | mpt, have looked at the latest stuff from gnome-power? | 02:34 |
mpt | Burgundavia: What's gnome-power? (i.e., no) | 02:34 |
Burgundavia | mpt, http://gnome-power.sourceforge.net/ | 02:35 |
Burgundavia | mpt, the screenshots are old | 02:35 |
Burgundavia | mpt, I will dig up the link for the new ones in a sec | 02:36 |
robertj | haha, I love mubuntu | 02:36 |
robertj | just the name, the concept slightly disturbes me | 02:37 |
Burgundavia | robertj, mubuntu? | 02:37 |
lsuactiafner | lol | 02:37 |
lsuactiafner | rofl | 02:37 |
thom | (tiny ubuntu) | 02:37 |
lsuactiafner | how big is it? | 02:38 |
Keybuk | buntu | 02:38 |
robertj | keybuk: thanks, I was looking for that char ;) | 02:38 |
Keybuk | (my god, that's got an obscure compose map) | 02:38 |
Keybuk | Compose-u-/ | 02:38 |
robertj | Keybuk: there is a classical greek input method for gnome | 02:39 |
robertj | ;) | 02:39 |
robertj | im-classical-greek | 02:39 |
robertj | regardless though | 02:39 |
robertj | the thought that we are far enough from sid to need to do special mods for embedded use is kinda scary, isn't it? | 02:40 |
robertj | and I don't believe that it's really true either | 02:40 |
mpt | Burgundavia: Are there any ubuntu-doc-ers at all at UDU? | 02:42 |
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hypatia | mpt: I'm there, and so is Jerome Gotangco | 02:42 |
hypatia | I'm only here today though. | 02:42 |
Burgundavia | mpt, froud and myself are not there. I don't knwo about jeffsch | 02:43 |
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hypatia | jeffsch doesn't show up on the attendees list. | 02:43 |
Burgundavia | then i would say no | 02:44 |
lsuactiafner | ok night ppl | 02:44 |
mpt | dang | 02:45 |
Burgundavia | indeed, I would like to enjoy the aussie sun | 02:45 |
Burgundavia | I don't think froud could get the time away | 02:46 |
mpt | Well, we just could have done with some ubuntu-doc input for the Rosetta BoFs | 02:46 |
thom | i doubt significantly we'll see any of the aussie sun | 02:46 |
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tfheen | thom: we can spec stuff outside? | 02:46 |
Burgundavia | pictures of lca show sun | 02:46 |
tfheen | the x40 is fine even in direct sunlight | 02:46 |
Burgundavia | other, inferior laptops may fail though | 02:47 |
hypatia | Burgundavia: alas, it is not penetrating the vibe hotel. | 02:47 |
hypatia | mpt: Well, I suppose I can sit in on launchpad bofs. Would that be useful? | 02:48 |
hypatia | I'm not sure there's a lot I can say about documentation compared to say, froud... | 02:48 |
hypatia | but since he isn't here... | 02:48 |
Burgundavia | hypatia, yes, make them see the docteam light | 02:48 |
mpt | hypatia: yes please | 02:50 |
hypatia | mpt: I can come up now if you like. | 02:51 |
mpt | hypatia: where are you now? | 02:51 |
hypatia | mpt: I'm downstairs in the ubuntu one. | 02:51 |
mpt | hypatia: Well there's Rosetta1.0 at 2.30pm | 02:51 |
hypatia | mpt: OK, I'll be there. | 02:52 |
mpt | Maybe you want to talk to carlos or SteveA about exactly when ubuntu-doc stuff can be scheduled | 02:53 |
luis_ | I have a tiny bit of sunlight over here in the corner behind you, mpt | 02:53 |
luis_ | but I'm going to guard it jealously | 02:53 |
hypatia | mpt: I'll get spiv to introduce me in the next break I guess. | 02:53 |
carlos | hypatia: the ubuntu-doc thing is not scheduled yet | 02:54 |
hypatia | carlos: what do you want from it? | 02:54 |
Burgundavia | so how many of you are violating the 5m rule? | 02:54 |
carlos | hypatia: are you an ubuntu-doc member? | 02:54 |
carlos | I was told that no one from the team is able to attend this conference | 02:55 |
carlos | hypatia: we will talk about the way to integrate their workflood needs into Rosetta | 02:55 |
hypatia | none of the major documentation authors are here. | 02:55 |
Burgundavia | carlos, you were speaking with mdke, who is not their | 02:55 |
carlos | Burgundavia: I know | 02:55 |
Burgundavia | but jstangco may have some idea about that | 02:55 |
Burgundavia | and he is there | 02:56 |
hypatia | yeah, jstangco is better than I am for that. | 02:56 |
carlos | Burgundavia: but he (mdke) told me that no one from the team can come | 02:56 |
hypatia | I will probably attend at least to give feedback to the ubuntu-doc list though. | 02:56 |
carlos | I suppose any other member is aware of the team needs, right? | 02:56 |
ajmitch_ | hey this is jsgotangco | 02:56 |
carlos | hypatia: ok | 02:56 |
ajmitch_ | im here but my laptop cant connect am with ajmitch | 02:56 |
hypatia | ajmitch_: where are you? | 02:59 |
ajmitch_ | here at mdz's session | 02:59 |
ajmitch_ | im the im the only asian guy here so im pretty spotable (jsgotangco) | 03:00 |
mdke | carlos, you need anything? | 03:02 |
carlos | mdke: not atm, thanks | 03:02 |
mdke | k | 03:02 |
mdke | just saw highlights | 03:02 |
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carlos | will tell you when the bof is scheduled | 03:02 |
mdke | carlos, i'm not gonna be around for about 16 hours now... :/ | 03:03 |
carlos | don't worry, I think it will not be scheduled until tomorrow | 03:03 |
mdke | cool | 03:03 |
mdke | anyhow i may not be able to help much | 03:03 |
mdke | ok cya i'm off to bed | 03:04 |
hypatia | night | 03:04 |
mdke | :) | 03:04 |
mdke | have fun y'all | 03:04 |
carlos | mdke: night | 03:04 |
thom | BEAGLE4EVAH! ;-) | 03:25 |
robertj | thom: yeesh, what's got you riled up ;) | 03:26 |
bob2 | fabbione: how much do you know about sparc porting? | 03:26 |
fabbione | bob2: it depends.. we have hoary and brezzy almost built on sparc | 03:27 |
bob2 | fabbione: (baz is ftbfs due to the test suite on sparc and only sparc, and runs fine if you gdb/strace it) | 03:27 |
tfheen | robertj: we're just cranking up the crack level here at the conference. | 03:27 |
fabbione | bob2: baz is FTBFS because of gcc-4. i already told lifeless about the fix | 03:27 |
robertj | hehe | 03:27 |
bob2 | fabbione: oh, no, this is in Debian with gcc 3.2 | 03:27 |
robertj | btw, is there an eta for beagle in universe? | 03:27 |
bob2 | er, 3.3 | 03:27 |
thom | robertj: needs new mono first | 03:27 |
bob2 | robertj: crimsum said post-udu, afaik | 03:27 |
thom | robertj: and new kernel | 03:28 |
tfheen | robertj: post-UDU, I think. tseng should know more, but he has his laptop closed. | 03:28 |
fabbione | bob2: meh.. i didn't check the FTBFS | 03:28 |
koke | moving :) | 03:28 |
bob2 | fabbione: I got clint to have a look at it, and all he found is that it works if you try to gdb or strace it...does that sound like a familiar bug class to you? | 03:28 |
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mpt | jordi! | 04:12 |
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jordi | mpt: Matt! | 04:27 |
luis_ | too late | 04:28 |
luis_ | :) | 04:28 |
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mpt | jordi: Yeah, we could have done with you up here for the LP1.0 BoF | 04:31 |
mpt | jordi: Will you be at the Rosetta 1.0 one? | 04:31 |
ajmitch_ | jordi! | 04:31 |
mpt | ogra, where are you now? | 04:32 |
ajmitch_ | ogra is in sublime1 | 04:33 |
jordi | mpt: ah, damn it. I'm at edubuntu | 04:33 |
jordi | mpt: anything I can do now? | 04:33 |
mpt | jordi: you mean you're at edubuntu now, or at 2.30? | 04:33 |
jordi | mpt: I should be in that one yes, when is it? | 04:33 |
jordi | I'm at edubuntu right now | 04:34 |
mpt | 2.30 | 04:34 |
mpt | ok, see you there | 04:34 |
jordi | ok, I'll be there. | 04:34 |
mpt | I'll be wandering between Rosetta 1.0 and Malone 1.0 probably | 04:34 |
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jordi | ajmitch_: yeah dude we need to meet somehow :) | 04:34 |
mpt | Yeah, where's that kiwi ajmitch_ fellow | 04:35 |
ajmitch_ | sitting beside ogra | 04:35 |
mpt | ok, just got to wait for baz to finish | 04:36 |
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mpt | come on baz | 04:44 |
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jordi | damn it | 04:52 |
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Lathiat | as do i | 05:13 |
Lathiat | well i think im more liek 5000 | 05:13 |
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robitaille | hopefully the next Ubuntu meeting will have live video feeds | 05:13 |
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ctd | I beleive canonical are paying per-megabyte on this connection | 05:14 |
hypatia | yeah they are. | 05:14 |
Lathiat | ctd: ouch | 05:14 |
Lathiat | how much per megabyte? | 05:14 |
Lathiat | cant be as much as i pay at uni | 05:14 |
hypatia | I think they got a discount, but the DEFAULT charge from this hotel is 1c/kilbyte! | 05:14 |
tfheen | hi Lathiat | 05:14 |
hypatia | kilobyte | 05:14 |
Lathiat | (which is 4c) | 05:14 |
Lathiat | tfheen: hey :) | 05:14 |
tfheen | hypatia: yeah, it's totally crackful, IMHO | 05:15 |
Lathiat | hypatia: wtf my phones gprs is cheaper than that, that cant be right. | 05:15 |
hypatia | Lathiat: 1c/kb, capped at $30/50MB per day. | 05:15 |
Lathiat | ouch | 05:15 |
hypatia | So if you use the full 50MB it's cheaper. | 05:15 |
Lathiat | talk about making money | 05:15 |
hypatia | Now I assume Canonical is getting some kind of discount on that. | 05:16 |
Lathiat | cus 50MB is $512 worth :) | 05:16 |
Lathiat | what speed is the connection? | 05:16 |
hypatia | Apparently all the hotels were very much "oh, wireless...um, yeah, in six months from now, we're totally going to have it! | 05:16 |
Lathiat | i can do 500MB for $99 on my *phone* anywhere, at 384kbps | 05:17 |
daniels | we do get somewhat of a discount on that -- we have a given amount of data to use over the entire week | 05:17 |
daniels | where that given amount is rather trivially small | 05:17 |
Lathiat | heh | 05:17 |
luis_ | glad I leave the country on wednesday | 05:17 |
luis_ | since if you burn the hotel down when the net gets cut off | 05:18 |
luis_ | still having my stuff in the hotel would be bad | 05:18 |
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tfheen | daniels: so we'll have used all the bandwidth in Australia by wednesday, then? | 05:18 |
Lathiat | i just got my connection upgraded to 1.5mbit | 05:18 |
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Lathiat | i think if i was still on 512kbit after LCA i'd die of malbandwidth or something :) | 05:19 |
ctd | nah, i'm only ssh and web'ing | 05:19 |
tseng | ssh -C for the win | 05:19 |
Lathiat | yeh -C helps alot when im using ssh on my phone | 05:19 |
ctd | yes. | 05:19 |
carlos | hypatia: where are you atm? | 05:21 |
Lathiat | so i saw the veronica mars episode with the ubuntu reference, amusign :) | 05:21 |
Lathiat | or should i say, you-bunt-ooh reference | 05:22 |
cc | Lathiat: ssh on the phone ? | 05:23 |
Lathiat | cc: well i use it on my laptop | 05:25 |
daniels | tfheen: itym tuesday | 05:25 |
Lathiat | over bluetooth to my phone over gprs | 05:25 |
Lathiat | altho its actually wcdma or something cus it uses the 3G stuff as opposed to GSM stuff | 05:25 |
hypatia | So, if the next conference is outside North America/parts of western Europe, I really don't like the chances of streaming video ;) | 05:25 |
Lathiat | wel | 05:26 |
Lathiat | its just the shitty hotel | 05:26 |
Lathiat | at linux.conf.au in canberra we had plenty of bandwidth | 05:26 |
tseng | i keep loosing my link every few minutes | 05:26 |
hypatia | carlos: I'm up at SoftwareFreedomDay | 05:27 |
ctd | yeah, but that was donated and all | 05:27 |
tfheen | Lathiat: it was slow, though. | 05:27 |
Lathiat | tfheen: no that was just the shithouse wireless | 05:27 |
ctd | tfheen: Only at leechy times. | 05:27 |
Lathiat | if you plugged into wired it was fine, or used wireless when not too many other people were arround | 05:27 |
Lathiat | i was pulling 1.4M/s from burgmann | 05:27 |
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Lathiat | ctd: even tho it was donated | 05:28 |
Lathiat | it hardly cost 1c/kbyte :) | 05:28 |
Lathiat | hopefully within a year or two bandwidht at uni will cost f**k all | 05:28 |
Lathiat | 3.5c/mbyte still hurts | 05:29 |
ctd | data doesn't really cost anything | 05:29 |
ctd | it's just to deterr leechers. | 05:29 |
carlos | hypatia: ok. I think you should attend http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/RosettaOneDotZero to give your team needs from Rosetta.. (it's after lunch) | 05:29 |
ctd | (woo, I can speel) | 05:29 |
cc | Lathiat: well, my 3 phone requires a cable thing. gah | 05:29 |
Lathiat | cc: i can do that too, having bt is nice | 05:29 |
Lathiat | at least my phone is a standard mini-a usb cable | 05:30 |
Lathiat | sony ericcson z1010, woo :) | 05:30 |
Lathiat | cept canberra doesn't have a drop of three coverage, bastards. | 05:30 |
Lathiat | i was hoping to try a video call back to perth | 05:30 |
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cc | Lathiat: nifty; my bluetooth optarse phone costs too much | 05:34 |
ctd | how much is data on 3? | 05:35 |
ctd | optarse charge me 2.2c/kb on weekdays and 1.1c/kb on weekends for GPRS. | 05:36 |
Lathiat | 0.4c/kb all the time | 05:37 |
Lathiat | then there are various data caps that make it cheaper | 05:37 |
Lathiat | the biggest is 500MB for $99 | 05:37 |
ctd | that's reasonabel | 05:37 |
ctd | reasonable* | 05:37 |
Lathiat | vodafone have unlimited for $49 | 05:37 |
Lathiat | no idea if 'fair use' aplplies | 05:37 |
Lathiat | the thing is you get 384kbps from three | 05:37 |
Lathiat | and 200ms rtt | 05:37 |
Lathiat | and you get like 56kbps and 1s rtt from most other providers | 05:38 |
GoneBoB | yeah but three you also get a compulsory molesting | 05:38 |
Lathiat | GoneBoB: eh? | 05:39 |
GoneBoB | they have some questionable business practises etc etc | 05:40 |
GoneBoB | their product and prices though aren't too bad | 05:40 |
Lathiat | dear god | 05:41 |
Lathiat | there website now contains the terms 'fully sik' | 05:41 |
GoneBoB | case in point :) | 05:41 |
GoneBoB | primarily marketed to people who can't afford it and don't need it | 05:41 |
GoneBoB | I know someone who racked up a $1000 monthly bill | 05:42 |
Lathiat | so my ubuntu has stopped recognising usb-storage and firewire-storage stuff, cant figure out why doh | 05:42 |
Lathiat | GoneBoB: heh | 05:42 |
Lathiat | GoneBoB: yeh but like, wha tbusiness isn't | 05:42 |
ctd | Lathiat: sik mate, sik. | 05:43 |
GoneBoB | yeah, just three is more so | 05:43 |
Lathiat | ctd: FULLYYYY | 05:43 |
ctd | Lathiat: subwoofer | 05:43 |
GoneBoB | is hotplug still running? | 05:43 |
Lathiat | hmm, there are not any hotplug processes | 05:43 |
Lathiat | like the usb-storage driver is loaded, it prints otu the drive info | 05:43 |
Lathiat | just never creates a device or reads its partition table | 05:43 |
ctd | Lathiat: modprobe sd_mod | 05:44 |
Lathiat | right | 05:44 |
Lathiat | i'll try that, bbs | 05:44 |
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Lathiat | ctd: yuh | 05:46 |
Lathiat | i pent part of yesterday downgrading a few packages so mono adn evolution could work/be installable :) | 05:46 |
Lathiat | the problem isnt so much breezy as it is linux.conf.au and UDU :) | 05:46 |
Lathiat | ctd: woo | 05:50 |
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hypatia | ajmitch_: are you coming to Rosetta One Point Zero? | 06:37 |
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hypatia | or maybe I'm asking the wrong person now. | 06:37 |
ctd | anyone know if there's anything I can test vga-out on around the place? | 06:38 |
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Lathiat | ah | 06:39 |
Lathiat | so yo uguys are on a telstra link | 06:39 |
Lathiat | no wonder theyre paying pert megabyte :) | 06:39 |
ctd | who knows | 06:40 |
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Lathiat | so im assuming :) | 06:40 |
ctd | yeah, i know it's a telstra link.. ;) | 06:40 |
ctd | I'm on the thing. | 06:40 |
ctd | But who knows the whole charging thing. | 06:40 |
cc | daniels: can i just make a quick comment wrt USplash? maybe you want to scrap the idea (we're dropping rhgb too), because you might find that gdm-early-login makes more sense than a bootsplash screen (i'd like to come to the BOF, but i'd be at another one i reckon, so please keep that in mind) | 06:43 |
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Burgundavia | anybody in rosetta 1.0 bof? | 06:47 |
jamesh | Lathiat: it's more expensive than telstra charges | 06:49 |
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Burgundavia | nev mind | 06:49 |
thom | cc: you're dropping rhgb entirely accross the board? | 06:50 |
cc | thom: yes, we are; at least thats the plan before FC-4 | 06:50 |
thom | wow | 06:51 |
cc | thom: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=151952 | 06:51 |
thom | thanks | 06:51 |
cc | thom: so i'd reconsider if i were you.... | 06:51 |
Lathiat | jamesh: i know :) | 06:51 |
cc | in fact, rhgb causes more issues to some degree... esp with mga and i810 now, we're finding that consoles don't show up anymore the moment X starts | 06:52 |
cc | so even an init 3 doesn't work, because rhgb started up... | 06:52 |
Lathiat | does anyone know if its possible to get vesafb into a 1680x1050 mode? | 06:53 |
ctd | everything is possible | 06:53 |
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fabbione | thom? | 07:00 |
fabbione | anybody close to thom that can pping him? | 07:00 |
hypatia | I will try. | 07:01 |
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thom | fabbione: eh? | 07:01 |
fabbione | thom: do we use readhaed on the liveCD? | 07:01 |
thom | fabbione: yes | 07:03 |
fabbione | thanks | 07:03 |
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thom | (or so it appears, just had a look at a livecd) | 07:03 |
fabbione | do we tune what needs to be readead for the livecd? | 07:04 |
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thom | not afaik | 07:05 |
fabbione | ok thanks | 07:05 |
thom | we may be better off not RAing at all, not sure | 07:05 |
sladen | Lathiat: yes, it is possible to use VESA to select weird/high video modes, but they are custom and the mode specific to that machine. You must proble the available modes | 07:05 |
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sladen | probe | 07:08 |
Lathiat | sladen: ah right, how do i do that? | 07:10 |
Lathiat | sladen: or where can i find docs, etc? | 07:10 |
tfheen | I think you can pass vga=ask to the kernel on boot | 07:16 |
tfheen | hm | 07:16 |
tfheen | noe, that's something else. | 07:16 |
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tfheen | hi Simira | 07:30 |
Simira | mornin | 07:30 |
Simira | *yawns* | 07:30 |
tfheen | nah, post-lunch already. | 07:31 |
Simira | eeeaaarly morning, you mean... | 07:31 |
tfheen | for you slack norwegians, yeah.. :P | 07:31 |
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Simira | :p | 07:31 |
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daniels | cc: righto, I'll bring it up, but I think people want it anyway. cheers. | 07:38 |
ogra | Simira, germany isnt even up :( | 07:41 |
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Simira | ogra: I guess. :-) I just arrived by the morning train, so that's why I'm up this early. | 07:42 |
tfheen | ogra: Simira is in CEST | 07:42 |
tfheen | she's just early up | 07:42 |
Simira | and the stores aren't open yet, either, so there's no breakfast | 07:43 |
ogra | my susus isnt even here....guess she's asleep.... | 07:43 |
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cc | thom: ack. tell pitti i haven't shown up at the bluetooth thingo because i just finished some editing stuff | 08:04 |
Lathiat | man im so missing out | 08:07 |
Burgundavia | tell me about it | 08:07 |
Lathiat | all these talks i want to be at because i have stuf to contribute | 08:07 |
Lathiat | d'oh | 08:07 |
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cartman | jbailey: morning! | 08:42 |
cartman | jbailey: <waiting for this for days> thanks for glibc update! | 08:42 |
jbailey | cartman: *lol* It's working for you? | 08:44 |
cartman | jbailey: yeah, appreciated greatly :) | 08:44 |
jbailey | Cool. I didn't have time to do much testing of it, glad it works for you. | 08:44 |
cartman | how is UDU going? | 08:45 |
jbailey | Good, busy. | 08:45 |
cartman | cool | 08:45 |
Lathiat | you didnt do much testing of a glibc update?:> | 08:51 |
lamont_r | Lathiat: I expect that means he only spent 2 days testing, instead of 7 | 08:51 |
cartman | Lathiat: thats why there are users ;P | 08:52 |
cartman | to test stuff | 08:52 |
Lathiat | cartman: you wont have any users if you botch a libc upgrade :> | 08:52 |
cartman | lamont_r: btw I got a bug for you a small one in case you have some time | 08:52 |
cartman | Lathiat: :) | 08:52 |
Lathiat | and i feel sorry for the maintainers of things like libc, i really do :) | 08:53 |
lamont_r | cartman: in what package? | 08:53 |
cartman | lamont_r: console-data | 08:53 |
jbailey | lamont_r: Are you calling me obsessive compulsive again? =) | 08:53 |
cartman | Lathiat: true... | 08:53 |
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lamont_r | jbailey: I'm calling you thurough. | 08:53 |
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lamont_r | cartman: console-data isn't one that I've particularly messed with much over time... | 08:54 |
lamont_r | cartman: best path would be to just file a bug - not really where I could do much right now. | 08:54 |
cartman | lamont_r: argh thats the wrong one. | 08:54 |
cartman | yours is about util-linux :) | 08:55 |
lamont_r | heh | 08:55 |
cartman | and yeah its reported already | 08:55 |
lamont_r | cool | 08:55 |
cartman | https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=9892 | 08:55 |
cartman | I dont knows how S<foo> is selected so I couldn't possibly add a patch :/ | 08:55 |
lamont_r | update-rc<mumble> | 08:56 |
lamont_r | I think | 08:56 |
lamont_r | update-init.d? | 08:56 |
Lathiat | update-rc.d | 08:56 |
cartman | no I mean how is it decided for a pack? | 08:56 |
lamont_r | update-rc.d | 08:56 |
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cartman | lamont_r: I could swap init numbers of module-init-tools & hwclockfirst.sh | 08:57 |
cartman | would that be accepted? | 08:57 |
lamont_r | cartman: given that hwclockfirst.sh went to pains to run before modutils, I want to understand it before I change it. | 08:58 |
lamont_r | the fix is trivial.. the thinking behind it is not | 08:59 |
cartman | lamont_r: okies | 08:59 |
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ctd | is there anyone in the building familiar with suspend on x86v laptops? | 09:36 |
tfheen | ctd: mjg59, aka matthew garret | 09:36 |
tfheen | +t | 09:36 |
tfheen | he's in sublime1 atm. | 09:36 |
tfheen | leading a bof | 09:36 |
ctd | right | 09:37 |
tseng | he's running for pope | 09:37 |
Lathiat | savannah.nongnu.org ues anonymous cvs over ssh, evil. | 09:37 |
tfheen | Lathiat: nicey. | 09:37 |
i386 | Lathiat, lol | 09:38 |
tfheen | I use that for my dotfiles. | 09:38 |
i386 | is there a point to that? | 09:38 |
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Lathiat | not using the shitbox known as pserver? | 09:38 |
i386 | anon cvs OVER ssh | 09:38 |
Lathiat | i386: ? | 09:39 |
i386 | never be minded | 09:39 |
i386 | Lathiat, Ycros got a job at my workies | 09:39 |
ctd | it'd be nice if he could visit the installfest when he's not running for the pope or leading a bof | 09:39 |
i386 | starts tomorrow | 09:39 |
tfheen | Lathiat: it means you can trust the integrity of the connection after the initial checkout. | 09:40 |
Lathiat | thats a good point | 09:40 |
jbailey | Lathiat: I was one of the folks who co-wrote the bit for full disclosure on the savannah hack. | 09:40 |
jbailey | Lathiat: pserver bad. anonymous cvs over ssh good. | 09:41 |
tfheen | heh | 09:41 |
tfheen | jbailey: actually, the whole CVS codebase makes you cry. | 09:41 |
Lathiat | my laptop seems to be running dog slow lately | 09:41 |
Lathiat | i wonder if its the nv open source driver or smeothing | 09:41 |
Lathiat | tho that cant really make it sucks in general that much id ont think | 09:41 |
Lathiat | maybe its ricerfs | 09:42 |
jbailey | tfheen: The CVS developers make me want to cry. The problem with the pserver exploit is that the developers *knew* about it, and claimed it wasn't interesting because it was documented in the release notes that any user could create a root exploit. | 09:43 |
tfheen | jbailey: pserver as root bad. | 09:43 |
jbailey | tfheen: Doesn't need to be, IIRC. | 09:43 |
tfheen | jbailey: if you want it to be able to suid, it does | 09:43 |
jbailey | Right. That's what it was. | 09:44 |
cartman | so we could just give security advisories and not fix bugs themselves :) | 09:44 |
Lathiat | heh | 09:44 |
tfheen | which you really don't need if you change the lock directory and only allow checkout over pserver. | 09:44 |
jbailey | User with write privs drops a script in place. anoncvs user does something that causes exploit in script, since that script is then run as root. | 09:44 |
jbailey | lamont_r: "We appologise for the inconvenience" - God's last message to his creation. | 09:48 |
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lamont_r | jbailey: that's japanese for "tough luck" | 09:56 |
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Treenaks | Unfrgiven: please decide if you want to stay or not.. | 09:58 |
Treenaks | Unfrgiven: stop joining & quitting | 09:58 |
Unfrgiven | Treenaks: sorry.... tryin to get bloody irssi to auto send the nickserv identify! it aint workin | 09:58 |
Unfrgiven | Treenaks: only one way to test isnt there.... :( | 09:58 |
tfheen | Unfrgiven: don't join any channels, then | 09:58 |
Treenaks | Unfrgiven: well, you could turn off channel autojoin | 09:58 |
tfheen | just connect to the server. | 09:58 |
Unfrgiven | aight ok... apologies | 09:58 |
Treenaks | np :) | 09:58 |
Lathiat | Unfrgiven: in chatnets | 10:01 |
Lathiat | Unfrgiven: inside the defintion for the serve ryou want | 10:01 |
Lathiat | put | 10:01 |
Lathiat | autosendcmd = "/^msg nickserv identify blah"; | 10:01 |
Lathiat | chatnets = { | 10:02 |
Lathiat | freenode = { | 10:02 |
Lathiat | type = "IRC"; | 10:02 |
Lathiat | autosendcmd = "/^msg nickserv identify XXXXXXXX"; | 10:02 |
Lathiat | }; | 10:02 |
Lathiat | } | 10:02 |
Lathiat | for example | 10:02 |
mike_douglas | Lathiat: thanks, I think I'll add that too | 10:03 |
Unfrgiven | Lathiat: ok thanks, ill give that a shot now... ill be sure to not autojoin this time :) | 10:04 |
Lathiat | i should put up my irssi config | 10:05 |
Lathiat | does lots of stuff | 10:05 |
Lathiat | :) | 10:05 |
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Unfrgiven | Lathiat: thanks a lot. that worked a treat. | 10:08 |
Lathiat | :) | 10:08 |
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Mitario | lo everyone | 10:29 |
Lathiat | no ownder my laptops been running like a dog | 10:30 |
Lathiat | it was stuck on 600mhz | 10:30 |
Lathiat | stupid cpufreq bugs | 10:30 |
Treenaks | ouch | 10:30 |
Lathiat | also, why the hell does gnome-open on a .html open it in firefox when my preferred webbrowser is set to epiphany | 10:31 |
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Lathiat | http:// url handler? | 10:32 |
tfheen | Lathiat: it has good taste, I guess. | 10:33 |
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pitti | jdub: ping | 10:34 |
fabbione | is anybody close to jdub? | 10:35 |
fabbione | we are waiting for him in sublime 1 | 10:35 |
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ajmitch_ | evening DrMiaow | 10:37 |
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\sh | morning | 10:45 |
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A_Alam | hi carlos | 11:18 |
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carlos | A_Alam: hi | 11:23 |
A_Alam | hi carlos, i want to join Punjabi lang team | 11:24 |
carlos | A_Alam: just request that from the launchpad UI https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/people/ubuntu-l10n-pa/+members/+add | 11:28 |
A_Alam | carlos, I sent. There is spelling mistake at that page for "Punjabi" as "Punjavi". Can u please do something? | 11:30 |
carlos | hmm, my fault.. | 11:33 |
carlos | A_Alam: I'm a bit busy atm, could you file a bug report at https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/products/rosetta so I don't forget it? | 11:34 |
carlos | will fix it as soon as possible | 11:34 |
A_Alam | carlos, nop, thanks | 11:34 |
carlos | I fixed the name as it was Panjavi and seems like I mispelled it... | 11:35 |
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sivang | Howdy all | 11:36 |
A_Alam | sent:) | 11:37 |
sivang | any interesting news from UDU anybody? | 11:38 |
sivang | oh well, guess everybody's busy | 11:41 |
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louie | mpt: poke? | 11:44 |
louie | mpt: should I just not bother filing malone bugs? is that just going to annoy brad and bjorn? I'd sort of like to file a handful, at least, to explore the interface some, but if the code that is public lags what you guys have internally badly, it seems like probably a waste of everyone's time... | 11:46 |
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mpt | luis_: Depends what kind of bugs they are | 11:47 |
mpt | luis_: basically nothing that's an RFE, I guess | 11:47 |
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luis_ | mpt: at this point, only bug-bugs; RFEs I'll take up in person | 11:59 |
luis_ | though I'm taking down a list of those too | 11:59 |
mpt | ok, thanks luis_ | 12:06 |
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Unfrgiven | does anyone know when the schedule for tomorrow at UDU will be up? | 01:11 |
jdub | Unfrgiven: very late tonight | 01:14 |
Unfrgiven | jdub: bummer :) so much for goin 2 work 2morrow ;) | 01:15 |
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SlackShrike | Good morring | 02:08 |
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SlackShrike | How to create ubuntu from scratch ? I am like a ubuntu.iso in my house ! | 02:15 |
SlackShrike | please | 02:15 |
Treenaks | SlackShrike: what do you mean? | 02:16 |
SlackShrike | Treenaks: I would like to learn the process of build of ubuntu to create a CD of installation based on ubuntu. | 02:20 |
Treenaks | SlackShrike: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/LiveCDCustomizationHowToBr should be a good start | 02:21 |
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SlackShrike | Treenaks : This learn how to custumize the live cd and not the process of build | 02:24 |
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SlackShrike | I do not find in no place the process of build of ubuntu! where I can find? | 02:28 |
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SlackShrike | I do not find in no place the process of build of ubuntu! where I can find? | 02:38 |
Treenaks | SlackShrike: the mailing lists? | 02:38 |
Treenaks | and repeating your questions will not make it more likely that someone answers | 02:39 |
Treenaks | SlackShrike: most people from here are in Australia at the moment | 02:39 |
SlackShrike | ok | 02:40 |
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zul | heylo | 02:47 |
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sladen | fabbione: LTSP are also wanting to use kexec() http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/ThinClientRoadmap | 03:00 |
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ogra | sladen, he is sleeping since 2h | 03:22 |
ogra | (at least he said so) | 03:22 |
sladen | gah. BTW, there's wireless with essid 'default' out the back ofhte building if it's be cheaper to NAT through that... ahem | 03:24 |
Lathiat | interesting | 03:24 |
tseng | if by cheaper you mean stealing | 03:24 |
tseng | sure. | 03:24 |
tseng | ive seen 4 or 5 different APs crop up | 03:25 |
ctd | what isp does it go through? | 03:25 |
tseng | edveryone on the hotel is on telstra | 03:25 |
ctd | i know, I mean 'default' ;) | 03:25 |
ogra | sladen, yep, thats the neighbor building.... | 03:25 |
tseng | well connect through it, and ill tell you your hostmask | 03:26 |
ctd | the wireless at vibe is just arse cost-wise. | 03:26 |
tseng | there is no wireless at vibe | 03:26 |
ctd | I don't think I policed installfest traffic enough | 03:26 |
ctd | I know. | 03:26 |
ctd | all relates back, canonical ap -> vibe bandwidth | 03:27 |
ctd | or atleast that "rooms online" thing | 03:27 |
tseng | that poor little ap | 03:27 |
ctd | meh, installfest had it's own AP. :) | 03:27 |
tseng | im on UBUNTU from floor 2 | 03:28 |
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Lathiat | im on lathiat, 5000kms away :( | 03:28 |
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ctd | interesting essid | 03:29 |
ctd | i'm on drahtlos | 03:29 |
ctd | previously on-site, now some amount of km away | 03:30 |
ogra | tseng, from our room ? | 03:31 |
tseng | yes | 03:31 |
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ogra | tseng, wow.... sadly my antenna is bad.... | 03:34 |
tseng | mine is great | 03:34 |
ogra | or did they already install the new APs ? | 03:34 |
tseng | when im not surrounded by 20 other wifi users | 03:34 |
tseng | then it cuts out every 2 minutes | 03:34 |
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elvirolo | hi all | 03:35 |
jdub | ogra: tomorrow morning | 03:35 |
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ogra | jdub, yay, great.... | 03:35 |
elvirolo | does anayone know when/if Freeciv 2 will be integrated into breezy? | 03:35 |
ogra | jdub, are you guys through with your meeting ? | 03:35 |
tseng | jdub++ | 03:35 |
jdub | ctd: the vibe prices on those pages are bollocks | 03:35 |
ogra | jdub, i see the BOF list growing constantly | 03:36 |
jdub | ogra: nup... | 03:36 |
ogra | argh | 03:36 |
ogra | what a conf.... | 03:36 |
tseng | ogra: still no schedule, foo | 03:36 |
ogra | tseng, but a new BOF every 20min.... | 03:36 |
tseng | yes | 03:36 |
tseng | i have 3 | 03:36 |
ctd | jdub: I heard canonical got a better deal, but from what I figured it was still a use-least-you-can thing. | 03:36 |
Lathiat | so no torrenting :) | 03:37 |
ogra | tseng, 196 in total..... | 03:37 |
Lathiat | and someone run a local mirror :) | 03:37 |
tseng | not that much need | 03:37 |
tseng | we arent developing anything this week | 03:37 |
ogra | no time for that.... | 03:37 |
Lathiat | oh tahts right | 03:37 |
Lathiat | since yoru all there | 03:37 |
Lathiat | no ones doing work on ubuntu :P) | 03:38 |
ogra | with 196 BOFs to attend in 7 days.... | 03:38 |
tseng | yes | 03:38 |
tseng | no work at all | 03:38 |
ogra | err 6 days | 03:38 |
ctd | lot of brainstorming | 03:38 |
tseng | we worked for nearly 12 hours today | 03:38 |
Lathiat | anyone knwo how to make get gnoem 2.10 to display drives from /etc/fstab on the desktop (they do appear in places, drivemount) | 03:38 |
tseng | turn on volumes_visible in gconf -> nautilus | 03:39 |
ogra | tseng, i wouldnt wonder if the daily schedule gets extended by one or two hours... | 03:39 |
Lathiat | tseng: nah thats for removable stuff | 03:39 |
Lathiat | stuff from /etc/fstab no longer appears with it | 03:39 |
Lathiat | (it used to) | 03:39 |
tseng | add users to the fstab? | 03:39 |
tseng | as an option | 03:39 |
zul | tseng: you are all a bunch of slackers ;) | 03:39 |
tseng | and remount | 03:39 |
ogra | tseng, but we are here to work, arent we ;) | 03:40 |
tseng | i just flew 20 hours to meet jdub ! | 03:40 |
ogra | tseng, its always worth it ;) | 03:40 |
Simira | lol | 03:40 |
Lathiat | tseng: ah taht works, it used to be 'user' | 03:40 |
tseng | Lathiat: ok. | 03:41 |
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ogra | i love them... | 03:41 |
Treenaks | flying foxes? | 03:42 |
Simira | are there flying foxes in au as welll? | 03:42 |
Simira | gee I wish I'd been there! | 03:42 |
Simira | or I'll tell Mithrandir to get me one... | 03:42 |
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jdub | tseng: dude, and we've hardly had time to catch up | 03:43 |
jdub | tseng: also, i want to learn your accent | 03:43 |
Treenaks | jdub: what kind of accent is that? | 03:44 |
jdub | tseng: midwestern? | 03:44 |
tseng | pennsylvania | 03:44 |
tseng | but | 03:45 |
jdub | tseng: which end? | 03:45 |
tseng | york, south middleish | 03:45 |
tseng | there is actually a book "you know you're a yorker if" about the weird stuff people do that sticks out | 03:46 |
cartman | humpf new c++ packs depending on g++-4.0 is not yet uploaded, right? | 03:50 |
tseng | hah dude, smoke that crack harder | 03:50 |
tseng | we will need to rebuild all of them | 03:50 |
tseng | abi break. | 03:51 |
cartman | yeah I just smoked a big pipe actually | 03:51 |
cartman | still got headache | 03:51 |
cartman | tseng: check transition docs and it says upload would start around ~25 April, hence I am asking :) | 03:51 |
cartman | checked* | 03:51 |
tseng | right now c++ stuff is supposed to be using 3.3 or 3.4 | 03:51 |
cartman | tseng: should be 3.3 | 03:52 |
cartman | 3.4 is not abi compatible either | 03:52 |
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ogra_ | GRRRR | 03:52 |
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tseng | time to sleep | 03:56 |
tseng | jdub: schedule me harder | 03:56 |
ogra | tseng, meeting seems to be done, he is at the mao BOF here | 03:57 |
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Treenaks | Due to lack of interest, the future has been canceled. | 03:58 |
ogra | heh | 03:58 |
ctd | woot. | 03:58 |
Simira | oh, go to bed now guys, so I can have a break. Please? ;p | 03:58 |
Simira | and can someone put Mithrandir online before he takes off? | 03:59 |
ogra | i actually dotnt know where he is.... | 03:59 |
ogra | not in the hall... | 04:00 |
tseng | i think ill come back down rather | 04:01 |
ogra | heh... jetlag ? | 04:02 |
tseng | ya | 04:02 |
tseng | owned. | 04:02 |
Simira | ogra: he went for dinner three and a half hours ago, and said he's be back in two... | 04:02 |
ogra | Simira, hmm, i saw him at dinner... | 04:03 |
tseng | sidinners here are crack | 04:03 |
Treenaks | sinners? | 04:04 |
ogra | Treenaks, thats what happens with wlan in the eleavtor.... | 04:04 |
tseng | it is. | 04:04 |
Simira | haha | 04:04 |
Simira | whatever. I'll talk to him tomorrow. Or tonight, for my part in it. | 04:05 |
tseng | the rfc doesnt cover elevators | 04:05 |
ogra | bytes are puzzled by gravitation ;) | 04:05 |
Treenaks | ogra: depends.. is the elevator made of metal? | 04:05 |
ogra | yep, i guess | 04:05 |
tseng | it holds 17! | 04:05 |
ogra | wow, dell builds great antennas it seems | 04:05 |
tseng | its an intel chip | 04:07 |
tseng | ipw2200 | 04:07 |
SlackShrike | when i use the live-cd to boot this return this message: "No common CD-ROM drive was detected" who can help me? | 04:07 |
ogra | hmm, i have an old orinoco silver.... | 04:08 |
Treenaks | ogra: ah! old 802.11b m4dn3ss | 04:08 |
ogra | yeah | 04:09 |
cartman | gcc 4.0 branch finally compiles kernel correctly too | 04:11 |
Treenaks | \o/ | 04:12 |
cartman | time wait for a new Ubuntu pack :-) | 04:14 |
cartman | +to+ | 04:14 |
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zul | cartman: not without a lot of patches | 04:15 |
ivoks | hi | 04:15 |
ivoks | did anyone noticed anoying bugs in ubuntu? | 04:15 |
ivoks | there is one specially stoopid | 04:15 |
ivoks | result of brainless copying from debian | 04:15 |
cartman | zul: 4_0_BRANCH should be _ok_ now | 04:16 |
cartman | zul: unless proven guilty :) | 04:16 |
ivoks | the name of kernel image on ubuntu is linux-image, right? | 04:19 |
zul | yep | 04:19 |
ivoks | sl-modem-daemon depends on linux-image, right? | 04:19 |
ivoks | great... | 04:19 |
ivoks | then... make-dpkp creates kernel-image | 04:19 |
ivoks | not linux-image package | 04:19 |
ivoks | and, even worse | 04:19 |
ivoks | u can't create linux-image from linux-source | 04:20 |
ivoks | only kernel-image | 04:20 |
ivoks | without modifying debian/control in linux-source | 04:20 |
ivoks | why do i get this feeling that this was just copied from debian (debian calls his images kernel-image) | 04:20 |
ivoks | :) | 04:20 |
ivoks | this should be fixed | 04:21 |
zul | patches accpeted :) | 04:22 |
tseng | why would you use linux-source | 04:22 |
tseng | most drivers need linux-headers | 04:22 |
ivoks | zul patch? | 04:22 |
ivoks | tseng some people like their own kernels | 04:22 |
ivoks | zul there is no patch | 04:22 |
ivoks | zul i don't know how many packages are brokne this way | 04:22 |
ivoks | zul the thing that should be done is edit debian/control in linux-sources* packages and insted of kernel-image, place linux-image | 04:23 |
zul | ivoks: if you make a patch to get it working properly then it will most likely be accepted | 04:23 |
ivoks | zul who do i contact? | 04:23 |
ivoks | zul but this thing brakes lot of packages | 04:23 |
zul | ivoks: open a bug in bugzilla and add a patch | 04:24 |
ivoks | ok... it will be marked as ultra critical :) | 04:24 |
tseng | mark it as normal | 04:24 |
ivoks | it isn't norml | 04:25 |
ivoks | couse look at this chain reaction.. | 04:25 |
tseng | the release team marks bugs as critical | 04:25 |
ivoks | i convert debian/control in linux-source to create linux-image | 04:25 |
tseng | please dont much around with it | 04:25 |
ivoks | tseng don't wory... | 04:25 |
ivoks | and great, i create linux-image package | 04:25 |
ogra | ivoks, youre not supposed to build a complete image if you need only one module... | 04:25 |
ogra | just take the headers and build the module ;) | 04:26 |
ivoks | ogra well, i like to create my own images | 04:26 |
ogra | then i suppose you know what to do ;) | 04:26 |
ivoks | i know... but this is broken distribution | 04:26 |
tseng | fwiw i built my own images from linux-source | 04:26 |
ivoks | ogra my kernel and modules work | 04:26 |
tseng | so did zul, and fabbio etc | 04:27 |
ivoks | tseng great... do u use make-kpkg? | 04:27 |
tseng | no? | 04:27 |
ivoks | tseng try | 04:27 |
ivoks | it will create kernel-image | 04:27 |
tseng | no, thats not the purpose | 04:27 |
zul | tseng: in a way i do ;) | 04:27 |
ivoks | tseng ? | 04:27 |
tseng | are we talking about the same packagE? | 04:27 |
ivoks | make-kpkg - build Debian kernel packages from Linux kernel sources | 04:27 |
ivoks | that's from man, man :) | 04:28 |
tseng | dude comeon | 04:28 |
tseng | let me explain please | 04:28 |
ivoks | ok... | 04:28 |
tseng | linux-image is created from linux-source source package with dpkg-buildpkg or similar | 04:28 |
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tseng | make-kpkg makes a custom local deb | 04:28 |
tseng | you are in total control of what it spits out | 04:29 |
ivoks | true | 04:29 |
tseng | it wont look and feel like the ubuntu distributed debs | 04:29 |
ivoks | ? | 04:29 |
ivoks | tseng the whole purpose of make-kpkg is to create deb kernel image | 04:29 |
tseng | i have no idea why you are mucking with debian/control | 04:30 |
tseng | to use make-kpkg | 04:30 |
ivoks | look... | 04:30 |
ivoks | this is the thing | 04:30 |
ivoks | on my lap i need nvidia-driver and sl-modem-source | 04:30 |
tseng | we have nvidia driver rignt in linux-restricted-modules | 04:30 |
ivoks | if i don't tuch anything and try to create kernel images and kernel modules as deb with make-kpkg | 04:30 |
tseng | you should build the other module with linux-headers | 04:30 |
tseng | none of this has anything todo with debian/control | 04:31 |
ivoks | tseng man... i don't run linux-image*ubuntu* | 04:31 |
ivoks | it does, listen... | 04:31 |
ivoks | i get linux-source | 04:31 |
ivoks | do make config and configure the kernel the way i want it | 04:31 |
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ivoks | then run make-kpkg to create deb kernel package | 04:32 |
ogra | tseng, dont forget we have to show up at 9:00 at the first BOF.... | 04:32 |
ivoks | and modules in /usr/src/modules | 04:32 |
ogra | ivoks, just file a bug .... | 04:32 |
tseng | ogra: meeting daniel at 8 | 04:32 |
ivoks | ogra i will | 04:32 |
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ivoks | ogra i'm just trying to explain tseng where the problem is | 04:32 |
sivang | Hello all | 04:32 |
tseng | hi sivang | 04:32 |
sivang | ogra: 'sup ? ;-) | 04:32 |
sivang | hey tseng | 04:32 |
jdub | ahr, home | 04:32 |
ivoks | tseng kernel and modules asre build and installed via dpkg, great | 04:33 |
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tseng | great. | 04:33 |
ivoks | tseng then i try to install sl-modem-daemon and it asks for linux-image | 04:33 |
sivang | How is UDU going? | 04:33 |
ivoks | there is a problem couse make-kpkg is creating kernel-image | 04:33 |
tseng | ivoks: of course it does | 04:33 |
ivoks | ?! | 04:33 |
tseng | we cant depend on your custom kernel | 04:33 |
tseng | we have no idea wtf is in it | 04:33 |
ivoks | tseng omg | 04:33 |
tseng | ZOMGLOLZ | 04:34 |
ivoks | this distro is based on debian | 04:34 |
tseng | file the bug if you want, im going to sleep soon | 04:34 |
ivoks | whole make-kpkg and building packages from source on debian | 04:34 |
ivoks | ah.. why am i even trying... | 04:34 |
tseng | ivoks: so make it call the package linux-image-foo | 04:34 |
ivoks | tseng i did | 04:34 |
ivoks | then sl-modem didn't want to compile | 04:34 |
ivoks | couse that one depends on kernel-image | 04:35 |
ivoks | u see the nonsense? | 04:35 |
ivoks | sl-modem depends on kernel-image, and sl-modem-daemon depends on linux-image | 04:35 |
sivang | is there a channel for the conference happening? | 04:35 |
tseng | we have sl-modem scheduled for a bof | 04:35 |
tseng | sivang: no | 04:35 |
tseng | ivoks: so sl-modem was never changed from debian to work on ubuntu | 04:35 |
tseng | ivoks: and we are back to waiting for you to submit a patch | 04:36 |
Lathiat | that works for me, wahts the problem? | 04:36 |
Lathiat | oh, the deps | 04:36 |
ivoks | tseng i'm submiting :) | 04:36 |
tseng | Lathiat: kernel-image vs linux-image | 04:36 |
tseng | its very late here, brain fried | 04:36 |
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Lathiat | pfft its only 12:37 | 04:37 |
tseng | pfft ive been going since 4am | 04:37 |
Lathiat | ouoch | 04:38 |
Lathiat | i got up at 11 :) | 04:38 |
zul | slackers | 04:38 |
tseng | ill be up by 8 | 04:38 |
tseng | so, good night ubuntites | 04:38 |
sivang | night tseng | 04:38 |
sivang | jdub: any schedule for the launch pad integration bof? | 04:39 |
Lathiat | i feel so duped | 04:39 |
ivoks | night | 04:40 |
Lathiat | damnit, my dog just chewed my copy of the new hoary cds | 04:41 |
zul | bwahaha | 04:41 |
Lathiat | i only have one :( | 04:41 |
ogra | night guyss | 04:41 |
sivang | night ogra | 04:42 |
zul | toodles ogra | 04:42 |
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ivoks | there... | 04:51 |
ivoks | bug is filed | 04:51 |
ivoks | i could create patches for this two packages, but, there are more packages which are broken this way... | 04:52 |
wasabi | ugh I knew hotplug would give me heartache at some point | 04:55 |
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nanophase | hi | 05:05 |
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bluefoxicy | no autopackage? | 05:52 |
Burgundavia | huh? | 05:52 |
bluefoxicy | I can't find autopackage in breezy's repos | 05:52 |
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Burgundavia | no in debian yet | 05:53 |
bluefoxicy | http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/gaim/gaim-1.2.1.x86.package?download <-- autopackage -->http://autopackage.org/gallery.html | 05:53 |
Burgundavia | there is some debate as to autopackage and its usefulness | 05:54 |
Burgundavia | see the u-devel archives | 05:54 |
bluefoxicy | I can see where that would come from | 05:55 |
bluefoxicy | considering it's not alien, so it won't update the package manager | 05:55 |
bluefoxicy | and it's not LSB so it's not really important | 05:55 |
Burgundavia | indeed, an the alien upstream says he is not going to support it | 05:55 |
Burgundavia | something to do with not listed where files go in a good way | 05:56 |
Burgundavia | though I must admit it is very pretty and there does need to be something | 05:56 |
bluefoxicy | it tries to decide where to put files based on the dist | 05:56 |
Burgundavia | ick | 05:56 |
bluefoxicy | yeah | 05:57 |
bluefoxicy | I want it just to experiment with. | 05:57 |
bluefoxicy | although part of using it may involve coding changes | 05:57 |
Burgundavia | from what I understand the devel of autpackage is trying very hard to get distros to accept it | 05:58 |
bluefoxicy | the documentation says that your program must be able to run from anywhere on the filesystem (which is a good thing), and that it should allow dynamic linking with libraries instead of compile time ./configure --options | 05:58 |
bluefoxicy | and they also supply a tool to let you easily mark blocks of code to only be used if you have certain libs, and let that handle all the ugly dynamic linking code (dlopen/dlsym) | 05:58 |
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bluefoxicy | so it looks like they've got more going on than "use our package manager" | 05:59 |
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bluefoxicy | I think it may be potentially beneficial to popularize the software | 05:59 |
Burgundavia | anywhere on the fs is a good thing? | 05:59 |
bluefoxicy | yes | 05:59 |
bluefoxicy | for example, some versions of GCC IIRC used to be ./configured to have a certain prefix, /usr or /usr/local | 05:59 |
bluefoxicy | if you took a --prefix=/usr/local gcc and put it into /usr, it wouldn't run. | 05:59 |
bluefoxicy | the idea of relocatable installation paths is that you can put it in /usr, /usr/local, or /home/usr/ or whatever | 06:00 |
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bluefoxicy | run-time dependency resolution is also a good thing. If gimp can't find libpng, it should not support libpng; but if you then install libpng, it should now do png without you having to recompile or reinstall gimp | 06:01 |
bluefoxicy | the autopackage people supply a tool to help code for this witohut making ass ugly code and throwing function pointers all over the damn place | 06:02 |
Burgundavia | ok, and are these ideas widely accepted? what about security considerations/ | 06:02 |
bluefoxicy | security considerations with runtime dep checking is the same as with buildtime dep checking, in so much that dlopen() checks for the libraries in the same way that ld.so does | 06:03 |
bluefoxicy | i'll pastebin this | 06:04 |
bluefoxicy | http://rafb.net/paste/results/1lc3fN44.html | 06:04 |
bluefoxicy | there's a chunk of the dlopen man page | 06:04 |
bluefoxicy | aside from that, relocatable binaries may only be seen as an issue if they're in your path | 06:04 |
bluefoxicy | which means that potentially having a PATH=.:* would be bad | 06:04 |
bluefoxicy | but then again, why use a real program to attack a system that way when you can just make an 'ls' or 'gcc' program that's not really 'ls' or 'gcc'? | 06:05 |
bluefoxicy | the implications are the same as without relocatable installation paths and runtime dynamic dependency checking | 06:05 |
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bluefoxicy | As for wide acceptance of these ideas, they're implimentation overhead. | 06:06 |
bluefoxicy | it takes more work to make a good program | 06:06 |
bluefoxicy | what we have today is accepted as "good enough," and so people don't care to make it "better" | 06:06 |
bluefoxicy | that is probably the only obstacle that will be encountered | 06:07 |
Burgundavia | ok | 06:07 |
Burgundavia | so autopackage would require more work by upstream? (aside from the fact taht they now have to package it) | 06:08 |
bluefoxicy | yes and no. | 06:08 |
bluefoxicy | to create a .package would require added work in some cases, for the package to be relocatable on the FS. This is not hard and I would imagine that a lot of programs are anyway. | 06:09 |
bluefoxicy | To make the package able to recommend instead of require most of the options currently specified at compile time (dynamic dep. resolution) would require a fair to heavy amount of work, but is optional | 06:09 |
bluefoxicy | it is recommended, and better. | 06:10 |
bluefoxicy | and just having distributions supply autopackage won't force maintainers to use it | 06:10 |
bluefoxicy | so the only detriment to any distribution supplying autopackage is that they have to package it; it won't discourage any upstream support | 06:11 |
Burgundavia | and that of implicitly promoting something which is not really a good thing, security wise | 06:12 |
bluefoxicy | as I said, the security implications are the same as vanilla dynamic linking | 06:12 |
bluefoxicy | and of being able to set your PATH variable | 06:12 |
Burgundavia | no, I am talking about installing random bytes off the web | 06:13 |
bluefoxicy | oh | 06:13 |
bluefoxicy | that's not exactly a "security implication" except for how letting a human touch your PC is a "secuirty implication" | 06:13 |
bluefoxicy | installing random programs off the net is an issue with the user | 06:13 |
bluefoxicy | Remember also that the LSB is heading towards IV support, so this will be possible later anyway | 06:14 |
Burgundavia | but you limit the security risk by promoting use of the repos | 06:14 |
bluefoxicy | yes but you limit usability that way as well | 06:14 |
Burgundavia | not really | 06:14 |
bluefoxicy | I'm very user oriented. I want Linux to have some way for independent vendors to shelve software that can be bought and installed from CD | 06:15 |
Burgundavia | as a system infested with spyware/malware is not usable | 06:15 |
bluefoxicy | and IVs are not going to package 400 different packages for 400 different systems | 06:15 |
Burgundavia | I want that system too, but I only want it for stuff that cannot be packaged in a distro neutral way | 06:15 |
bluefoxicy | it's impossible to separate it. | 06:16 |
bluefoxicy | the system can't be inherantly designed so that spyware isn't installable but benign apps are | 06:16 |
bluefoxicy | well, it can be | 06:16 |
Burgundavia | but you can limit the risk by not promoting installing out of a webbrowser | 06:16 |
bluefoxicy | but you have to exclude some benign apps as well. | 06:16 |
Burgundavia | as users cannot tell the difference | 06:16 |
bluefoxicy | dude, the more warning boxes a user gets | 06:16 |
bluefoxicy | the more he clicks through them | 06:17 |
bluefoxicy | when there's too many he says fuck it and installs windows | 06:17 |
bluefoxicy | pirated windows | 06:17 |
Burgundavia | that is why you never have install out of a webbrowser | 06:17 |
bluefoxicy | from gnutella | 06:17 |
bluefoxicy | with virus infections in the ISO | 06:17 |
Burgundavia | they are working on a new software map installer using pymozembed | 06:17 |
Burgundavia | see the UDU wiki | 06:17 |
bluefoxicy | yes and gues what? | 06:17 |
bluefoxicy | if ID Software can use it to package Quake 4 | 06:17 |
bluefoxicy | then GAIN can use it to package Gator for Linux | 06:18 |
Burgundavia | we are not going to eliminate spyware | 06:18 |
Burgundavia | but if there is no installing out of ff/otehr web browser, then you are never going to have an issue | 06:18 |
bluefoxicy | exactly my point | 06:18 |
bluefoxicy | dude | 06:18 |
bluefoxicy | people will go to the web, download the file, and run the packager against it | 06:18 |
bluefoxicy | or they'll download spyware with a graphical installer. | 06:18 |
bluefoxicy | let Firefox worry about Firefox security and spyware; they do a good job preventing it on Windows | 06:19 |
Burgundavia | not really | 06:19 |
Burgundavia | windows doesn't solve the underlying issue of promoting random bytes off the net | 06:19 |
bluefoxicy | users don't just click "Yes" in FF on Win; they click "click here to download," then "open," then "yes I'm sure I want to open this potentially dangerous file" | 06:19 |
bluefoxicy | just like I went to sourceforge when gtk-gnutella was busted in ubuntu | 06:20 |
bluefoxicy | and clicked the gtk-gnutella deb link, and ran dpkg on it | 06:20 |
Burgundavia | most people will not do that | 06:20 |
bluefoxicy | then most people won't be able to install Doom3, because we don't have it packaged yet. | 06:20 |
bluefoxicy | and so they'll decide that linux sucks and go back to windows. | 06:20 |
Burgundavia | and if you promote a gui software installer, which links into your repos, then you have gone a long way towards mitigating that | 06:20 |
bluefoxicy | nope | 06:21 |
bluefoxicy | you've gone a long way towards mitigating users installing benign software that they want/need unless they're technicians | 06:21 |
Burgundavia | I agree there does need to be a way to install non-free stuff | 06:21 |
bluefoxicy | but it doesn't have to be repos | 06:21 |
bluefoxicy | it has to be point and click | 06:21 |
Burgundavia | not in a web browser | 06:22 |
bluefoxicy | in or out of it | 06:22 |
Burgundavia | cd distibuted stuff | 06:22 |
bluefoxicy | ok, listen, I'm only saying tihs one time | 06:22 |
bluefoxicy | a web browser and a CD are the same thing. | 06:22 |
bluefoxicy | If it's on a CD, I pop the CD in and click it. | 06:22 |
Burgundavia | web browser point and click in inherently dangerous and will only lead to malware | 06:22 |
bluefoxicy | If it's on the web, I save it and then run it from nautilus. | 06:22 |
Burgundavia | there is a difference in how the user perceives it | 06:22 |
bluefoxicy | where do you see the difference? | 06:22 |
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bluefoxicy | no there's not | 06:22 |
bluefoxicy | the user perceives "I have a program I want to install" | 06:23 |
bluefoxicy | and users are monkeyis | 06:23 |
bluefoxicy | they'll stick their hand in the hole, grab the food, and yank continuously trying to get their fist out. | 06:23 |
Burgundavia | no, users shouldn't have to think about this stuff | 06:23 |
bluefoxicy | the more you put things in their way, the more they'll fight through it | 06:23 |
Burgundavia | that is why you promote the gui software installer | 06:23 |
Burgundavia | and cd based installs | 06:23 |
bluefoxicy | GUI software installers should use packages. | 06:24 |
bluefoxicy | installing software without using a package damages the system | 06:24 |
Burgundavia | absolutely | 06:24 |
bluefoxicy | it drops it in somewheere without keeping a record of what it just did with my system. | 06:24 |
Burgundavia | I don't disagree that all software should use the native packaging system | 06:24 |
Amaranth | isn't autopackage supposed to solve this? | 06:24 |
Burgundavia | I just don't think that you should be able to install out of the webbrowser | 06:24 |
bluefoxicy | anyway I gotta go | 06:24 |
Burgundavia | np | 06:24 |
bluefoxicy | you can't possibley stop people from installing downloaded software | 06:25 |
bluefoxicy | in the worst case they'll google for it. | 06:25 |
Burgundavia | but you can train people to not look there first | 06:25 |
bluefoxicy | Amaranth: i'm more interested in the alterior effects, such as runtime dependency resolution ("soft linking" wtf?) | 06:25 |
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Amaranth | If anyone here is an op in #ubuntu, please look now. | 06:52 |
mdke | gosh | 06:54 |
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lsuactiafner | ok to play wmv files native amd64 bit users need a staticly linking binary compiled for a 32bit system | 07:32 |
lsuactiafner | then its possible for mplayer to use the codecs as it should | 07:32 |
wasabi | sounds about right | 07:33 |
lsuactiafner | yeh i did it yesterday night. i once spoke to a guy here that compiles the mplayer package | 07:33 |
lsuactiafner | want to ask him to submit mplayer64 that will give better performance to play ported codecs | 07:34 |
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lsuactiafner | and a mplayer32 static binary for amd64 users to play wmv files.. | 07:34 |
zyga | hello :-) | 07:35 |
lsuactiafner | zyga : was it you? | 07:35 |
zyga | lsuactiafner: meaning? | 07:35 |
zyga | lsuactiafner: ah, no | 07:36 |
lsuactiafner | (; | 07:36 |
zyga | lsuactiafner: BTW with windows xp 64 around can't we get their 64bit codecs? | 07:36 |
zyga | and another BTW: does windows xp 64 use 32bit internet explorer? if not they have no flash either, right? | 07:36 |
lsuactiafner | i think the win32 codecs for mplayer are currently reverse engineered | 07:37 |
lsuactiafner | so it will take a brave soul to hack @ the 64bit ones | 07:37 |
zyga | lsuactiafner: if they are fully reverse engeered then where's the source code ;] ? | 07:37 |
zyga | lsuactiafner: anyway you are probably somewhat right | 07:38 |
zyga | they are modified | 07:38 |
lsuactiafner | yeh not sure tho | 07:38 |
lsuactiafner | anyone here got a 32bit unbuntu install they can use to make static binaries for amd64? since i used a slackware 10.1 chroot for it | 07:39 |
lsuactiafner | think it would be best if a ubuntu system was used | 07:40 |
Lathiat | are there any #ubuntu ops about? | 07:44 |
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zul | lsuactiafner: why dont you debootstrap a chroot for ubuntu 686? | 07:52 |
Lathiat | lsuactiafner: also look at 'pbuilder' | 07:54 |
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lsuactiafner | i dont have ubuntu 686 | 07:57 |
lsuactiafner | and i'm on a 5k/s dailup in south-africa | 07:57 |
lsuactiafner | not gonna download a iso | 07:57 |
lsuactiafner | gonna check pbuilder now | 07:57 |
lsuactiafner | i cant find into about submitting a package to ubuntu? | 07:58 |
lsuactiafner | since i think i'm not the only amd64 user that found not being able to play wmv ect annoying (even with all possible codecs installed) | 07:59 |
Treenaks | lsuactiafner: well, that has a reason.. | 08:00 |
Treenaks | lsuactiafner: I think you can guess | 08:00 |
lsuactiafner | Treenaks : yes i know about not violating copyrights ect | 08:02 |
lsuactiafner | but the problem is an amd64 system with a mplayer64bit binary cant use the win32 codecs | 08:03 |
lsuactiafner | only a 32bit staticly linked binary can | 08:03 |
lsuactiafner | so if i make a 32bit staticly linked binary the user can go download all the codecs he wants from mplayerhq | 08:03 |
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Treenaks | lsuactiafner: yes.. the problem is mixing 32 and 64 bit stuff | 08:04 |
Treenaks | best way to solve this is complain to someone that he sent you a crappy file | 08:04 |
lsuactiafner | well, i got a 8mb staticly linked binary that can play wmv files on my 64bit system. i just need to figure out how to spread it to other ppl heh | 08:05 |
lsuactiafner | ccache > all | 08:09 |
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lsuactiafner | ok making packages rely on programs that automatically recompile the source ect.. that wont work for me | 08:48 |
lsuactiafner | i have the binary and all i want to do to is put the binary in a .deb packages to make it cp binary /usr/local/bin/ | 08:49 |
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robertj_ | does anyone know if the hoary LiveCD has known problems on G5s? | 08:57 |
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wasabi | Yes. | 09:18 |
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tube013 | anybody have an idea why a patch would apply fine during a dpkg-build in my normal environment and then not apply in a chroot environment? | 09:55 |
lsuactiafner | chroot is differant? | 09:56 |
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crimsun | tube013: dpatch? | 09:56 |
tube013 | crimsun: yea its a dpatch. | 09:57 |
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zul | tube013: what package? | 09:57 |
crimsun | tube013: and you b-d on dpatch and invoke it properly in debian/rules? | 09:57 |
crimsun | (or use the cdbs equiv?) | 09:57 |
tube013 | I'm kind of new to packaging, and am just getting started by reading some of the guides on the wiki, and the debian New maintainers guide. | 09:58 |
tube013 | ie. you a little over my head. | 09:59 |
crimsun | ok, in $package/debian/control, do you have dpatch listed as a Build-Depends? | 09:59 |
tube013 | nope, however I have dpatch installed in the chroot. if that is what you are getting after? | 10:00 |
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crimsun | well, you should still b-d on dpatch, because when you pbuild it, it still needs the explicit b-d | 10:00 |
tube013 | okay I'll add it to the control file and see what happens. | 10:01 |
crimsun | ok, so dpatch is installed in the chroot. How are you invoking dpatch in debian/rules? | 10:01 |
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tube013 | I started with an existing package, that won't compile with the current gcc, and made a patch for it, the existing package already had 2 dpatches which apply fine in both enviroments | 10:02 |
crimsun | ok, and you added your new dpatch to debian/patches/00list? | 10:03 |
tube013 | yup, its there. 03_make-buildabe | 10:03 |
crimsun | ok, so when you debuild binary, where is it hitching? | 10:03 |
crimsun | I recommend you look at pbuilder instead of a plain chroot | 10:04 |
tube013 | it fails to apply my new dpatch. however the exact same source directory and debian/ build with fine with dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -us -uc in my normal environment. | 10:05 |
tube013 | I tried pbuilder first got frustrated by the same problem, so I figured maybe it was a pbuilder thing | 10:05 |
tube013 | created the chroot, and re did the whole patch process in the chroot, but same results. | 10:06 |
crimsun | is it failing outright due to rejections, or is it silently not applying it? | 10:09 |
crimsun | please upload your .dsc and .diff.gz to a publicly-accessible web site, and I'll look | 10:10 |
tube013 | well I just found that it is rejecting the patch | 10:11 |
crimsun | so your dpatch looks to be invalid | 10:11 |
tube013 | yea but why would the same patch apply in my normal environment | 10:12 |
crimsun | because your normal environment differs from your chroot | 10:12 |
crimsun | make sure the dpatch applies cleanly in your chroot | 10:13 |
tube013 | thats what I'm after.... | 10:14 |
tube013 | here's the command I used to create the patch, after modifying 2 header files: | 10:14 |
tube013 | diff -Nru libmp4-2.0.0-orig/ libmp4-2.0.0 > make-buildable.patch | 10:14 |
tube013 | looking at the corresponding patch it looks correct, I then did the following to make it a dpatch: | 10:15 |
tube013 | dpatch patch-template -p "03_make-buildable" "make buildable on hoary" < ../make-buildable.patch > debian/patches/03_make-buildable.dpatch | 10:15 |
crimsun | (on hoary or breezy?) | 10:16 |
tube013 | hoary | 10:16 |
crimsun | does it build with gcc-4.0? | 10:17 |
crimsun | i.e., does your dpatch make it buildable with gcc-4.0? | 10:17 |
tube013 | the patch makes it build with gcc-3.3 and 3.4 | 10:18 |
tube013 | it changes a couple NULL's to 0's thats it | 10:18 |
crimsun | ok, test if that's sufficient for gcc-4.0 | 10:18 |
crimsun | at this point, fixes should be targeted for breezy | 10:19 |
tube013 | okay, I'll work on it. thanks for your help | 10:19 |
crimsun | np. If you can pass me the dpatch, I'll see if I can reproduce your dpatch failure in pbuilder | 10:20 |
tube013 | okay, here is the dpatch: http://tube013.org/03_make-buildable.dpatch | 10:23 |
tube013 | its for libmp4 from marillat | 10:24 |
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crimsun | k | 10:25 |
tube013 | hmm. just looked at one of the targets, and it seems to have been patched. geuss maybe I should try with out my dpatch on my chroot and see what happens. | 10:26 |
crimsun | ah, it's only in debian-marillat | 10:31 |
tube013 | yea I was trying to compile some packages from there and rarewares so not to interrupt with the ubuntu repos. | 10:31 |
tube013 | turns out it compiles fine in the chroot without the patch. I just wrongly assumed since I needed it in my normal env. I would need it in the chroot | 10:32 |
tube013 | shows me. | 10:32 |
lsuactiafner | crimsun : i made a static 32 bit mplayer binary for the amd64 architecture so that ppl can play files that need use the win32bit codecs | 10:38 |
lsuactiafner | but my packaging for debian needs work, would you mind to look @ it and fix it up? | 10:39 |
crimsun | lsuactiafner: 64-bit mplayer doesn't work with the 64-bit codecs from the amd64 debian-marillat repo? | 10:39 |
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lsuactiafner | crimsun : nope, i installed the debian-marillat mplayer but it didnt play wmv files even witht he w32codecs installed | 10:40 |
lsuactiafner | i think its cause the codecs are 32bit and mplayer64, so not compatible, so my binary is mplayer32 and it can play wmv files if the codecs are installed | 10:40 |
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lsuactiafner | its also staticly linked so emulation is transparent ect | 10:41 |
crimsun | lsuactiafner: please put a link on MOTUTodo | 10:41 |
lsuactiafner | MOTUodo? | 10:43 |
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crimsun | wiki/MOTUTodo | 10:43 |
lsuactiafner | "ftp://ftp.puk.ac.za/outgoing/mplayer-amd64hammer-32bit_1 1.0pre7-3.3.4-0.3ubuntu6_amd64.tar.gz" but ftp://ftp.puk.ac.za/outgoing/MPlayer-1.0pre7_32bit-for-amd64.tar.bz2 is cleaner | 10:44 |
lsuactiafner | k | 10:44 |
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lsuactiafner | tho the package is really screwed up since i couldnt use the fakeroot ect tools since my chroot was slackware 10.1 | 10:47 |
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lsuactiafner | http://www.ubuntulinux.org/join_form gives me errors | 10:58 |
lsuactiafner | rather, gives me nothign | 10:58 |
lsuactiafner | link bokren? | 10:58 |
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chuck_ | hey | 11:29 |
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Simira | hey, can someone kick Mithrandir out of bed? | 11:56 |
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