[12:00] <abood> guys , how can i find whats the package name of the gaim to get it in the apt ? ?
[12:00] <Nalioth> shinu, not anymore
[12:00] <shinu> Nalioth: well friend got old mac :D
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[12:00] <Nalioth> shinu, safari is now default, and IE only avail as a user option
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[12:00] <segfault2k> hi
[12:01] <segfault2k> why in breezy if i install kdeaddons, apt get as a dependency, gnome apps?
[12:01] <Nalioth> although IE/mac is not near the bucket of s**t that it is on windoze
[12:01] <shinu> :D
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[12:01] <shinu> Nalioth: friend was using netscape... which i think is not bad :D
[12:01] <Epix> and stop. INSTALL TIME!
[12:02] <jabra> anyone know if there is still support for sparcs in ubuntu
[12:02] <hybrid8> netscaape ~= mozilla
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[12:03] <djm62> firefox is the future, once they get everything smooth
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[12:03] <abood> djm62, how r u man
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[12:03] <Burgundavia> jabra, unofficially
[12:03] <djm62> chillin like a villain
[12:03] <dgo> hi there
[12:03] <abood> djm62, dude how can i update the repos links ? and from where do i  get the updated links ?!
[12:04] <hybrid8> djm62: ever tried opera
[12:04] <hans_> where can i download realplayer10gold? searched with google already but didnt find anything
[12:04] <Sphearion> mozilla = the source code project of netscape
[12:04] <djm62> hybrid8: yeah...ads are no fun
[12:04] <re|run> what are the command line tools associated with wireless connection?
[12:04] <dgo> hello everybody
[12:04] <djm62> hans_: google realplayer helix
[12:04] <re|run> ifconfig.... what else?
[12:04] <dgo> is anybody in here who can help me with grub?
[12:04] <hybrid8> djm62: the google ads are unnoticable
[12:04] <owlmanatt> Printer not detected, looking for some help...
[12:05] <djm62> when I used it there was a constant ad bar at the top
[12:05] <hans_> djm62: where can i download that?
[12:05] <decaf> dgo: may be someone can. just ask
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[12:05] <djm62> hans_: if you google the words realplayer and helix, it will take you to the right site, top of the list, IIRC
[12:05] <hybrid8> djm62: you can select google ads it is rather small
[12:05] <owlmanatt> My printer shows up as getting the usblp driver loaded for it in dmesg when I turn it on, but the Add A Printer wizard isn't displaying it in the detected printer list, does anyone know why?
[12:05] <Burgundavia> re|run, iwconfig
[12:06] <dgo> decaf: okay, i have installed ubuntu warty 4.10 on an empty disk with default partition settings and so on and it worked fine
[12:06] <Quest-Master> hybrid8: The ads are still obstrusive and ugly
[12:06] <djm62> hybrid8: I'm not one for going from a decent free browser to a decent adware browser
[12:06] <djm62> not as aesthetically pleasing
[12:06] <Quest-Master> Yes.
[12:06] <hybrid8> Quest-Master: i use it when firefox gets bad about pop ups
[12:06] <Quest-Master> :P
[12:07] <dgo> now, i would like to move that harddisk into a new computer but now, grub doesn't boot up correctly anymore. when i switch it back to the old computer, everything works fine again....
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[12:07] <djm62> dgo: where is the hard drive in the new computer? have you a grub floppy to boot from?
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[12:08] <dgo> i have created a grub floppy, yes and it boots in the new computer and shows the menu.lst correctly
[12:09] <dgo> when i select an entry it goes as far as: root (hd0,0) kernel /boot/..... and then stops
[12:09] <abood> can any body tell me whats the gaim-vv package name ?! for apt to install it ?!?!
[12:09] <djm62> dgo: are you using an initrd? does grub know that?
[12:09] <felipe__> where can i found more fresh sources for apt-get ?
[12:10] <djm62> abood: looks like it isn't in the standard repositories
[12:10] <dgo> djm62: initrd would be the line after the kernel line
[12:10] <shinu> how do i make a screenshot in here?
[12:10] <shinu> i meant ubuntu :d
[12:10] <dgo> but grub stops before that line
[12:10] <shinu> gimp?
[12:10] <topyli> felipe__: such as what? there are few things beyond the universe :)
[12:10] <Epix> watching the windows boot screen for the last time on this comp :P
[12:10] <djm62> shinu: System->Take Screenshot
[12:10] <topyli> but there are a few of course
[12:10] <felipe__> audio
[12:10] <abood> djm62, aha mean that i must install it by my self
[12:11] <djm62> abood: yeah
[12:11] <djm62> abood: what is gaim-vv compatible with?
[12:11] <topyli> felipe__: mp3 and such?
[12:11] <dcraven> shinu: prtscrn?
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[12:11] <abood> does any body tried gaim-vv and worked fine with him ?!
[12:11] <felipe__> topyli: yes, multimedia too
[12:11] <abood> djm62, i dont know never used
[12:11] <dcraven> Epix: you gonna format Windows off of that machine?
[12:11] <shinu> djm62: ok thanks but then ill have to paste to gimp right? :D
[12:11] <Epix> dcraven: yes
[12:11] <djm62> abood: maybe worth checking the website to see who you can talk to
[12:12] <shinu> dcraven: hm... never actually tried that :D
[12:12] <dcraven> Epix: oh my, that's sudden. lol
[12:12] <Epix> dcraven: after i get someimportant files
[12:12] <topyli> felipe__: hold on, i'll find you the faq (which is apt-gettable as ubuntu-faqguide but may not be as current)
[12:12] <felipe__> topyli: couse, i'm trying to install some things have too mutch dependencies
[12:12] <dcraven> shinu: hold down alt when you press printscreen to get just the current window.
[12:12] <djm62> shinu: just saves to a file where you specify
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[12:12] <hans_> i have the RealPlayer10GOLD.bin on my desktop, how do i install it?
[12:12] <abood> djm62, whats best video player may i use ?, do u know a good one ?
[12:13] <djm62> abood: I use mplayer, I'm sure that's a hanging offence for half of the room
[12:13] <Epix> "good by Windows, im wiping you today. good bye. good bye, goodbye..."
[12:13] <shinu> dcraven: doesnt seem to work
[12:13] <hybrid8> sound working on mplayer
[12:13] <Epix> dcraven: all i ever do on it is word processing, MSN and music
[12:13] <dcraven> hans_: probably "sudo ~/Desktop/RealPlayer10GOLD.bin".
[12:13] <dgo> djm62: may i prv you?
[12:13] <Epix> and flash games :P
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[12:13] <shinu> djm62: ok thanks
[12:14] <djm62> dgo: you will get precious little information, but you're welcome to try
[12:14] <pablo928> djm62,what's wrong with mplayer? I like it.
[12:14] <HiddenWolf> where are the system sounds located?
[12:14] <topyli> felipe__: hrm. have you looked at http://ubuntuguide.org/ and added those repositories?
[12:14] <abood> djm62, gr8 does it existed in the repositories ?
[12:14] <djm62> pablo928: I like it too, but software people tend to zealotry
[12:14] <djm62> abood: marillat repositories
[12:14] <dcraven> shinu: in GNOME?
[12:15] <pablo928> djm62, I just like things that work right.
[12:15] <shinu> dcraven: xfce :)
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[12:15] <topyli> felipe__: all you really need is Christian Marillat's excellent multimedia repository
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[12:15] <topyli> in addition to ubuntu ones
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[12:16] <shinu> djm62: i dont seem to have that system> take screenshot, is it only in gnome?
[12:16] <WhiteRabbit> just hit print screen
[12:16] <djm62> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[12:17] <djm62> shinu: oh, yes it is, sorry
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[12:17] <dcraven> shinu: oh.. my suggestion is a GNOME thing, that explains it.
[12:17] <Nalioth> shinu netscape is full of AO(hel)L suppositories (about 5mb of em)
[12:17] <shinu> WhiteRabbit: dcraven tells me its only on gnome. im xfce
[12:17] <dazzed> netscape is next best thing for windows
[12:18] <shinu> Nalioth: :) thats the only bad thing about it... though major :D
[12:18] <Nalioth> netscape is a trojan horse....use its open-source brother Mozilla Suite
[12:18] <shinu> Nalioth: Mozilla Firefox :)
[12:19] <WhiteRabbit> shinu, ah..
[12:19] <shinu> :)
[12:19] <shinu> trying to figure out how i did it last time with gimp
[12:20] <dazzed> theres nothing wrong with netscape u paranoid peeps
[12:20] <shinu> zomg... i didnt just started a was did i? :D
[12:21] <felipe__> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat unstable main ?
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[12:21] <Epix> burning anything important (music... thats about it...)
[12:21] <dazzed> shinu u did
[12:21] <dazzed> :)
[12:21] <Epix> ooh
[12:21] <shinu> argh... :D
[12:22] <Epix> can i burn minidisks  from ubuntu
[12:22] <Epix> iwth my sony MD player
[12:23] <djm62> 0.0
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[12:24] <Epix> ???
[12:24] <dazzed> i dont see why not Epix
[12:24] <dazzed> google
[12:24] <Epix> dazzed: i did/am
[12:25] <Epix> and i cant find nothin
[12:25] <felipe__> topyli: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat unstable main ?
[12:25] <JakeX> hi, wondering if someone has 2 secs to help me solve an issue with dhcp server config.. dhcp is running but client comp can't ping anything BUT gateway, /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward = 1
[12:25] <dazzed> hmmm
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[12:25] <tweek> hello
[12:26] <topyli> felipe__: yes
[12:26] <jetthe> JakeX: You need to route the traffic. The DHCPD just hands out ip addresses.
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[12:26] <tweek> im haivng a bit of trouble with cdrecord and my scsi drivers, is there a guide to updateing them?
[12:26] <djm62> minidisks have DRM built in, so maybe not
[12:26] <yfir> Epix: there have been problems with Sony releasing the protocol for their MDs. People are slowly working on it though: http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~bertrik/netmd/
[12:26] <JakeX> hmm i think i've just figured it out.. my old IPTABLES had this: -A FORWARD -i eth0 -o eth1 -m state --state RELATED,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT
[12:26] <felipe__> topyli: good !!
[12:26] <topyli> felipe__: if christian's unstable gives conflicts, try testing
[12:26] <felipe__> topyli: tkx
[12:27] <goldfish> kyzz ?
[12:27] <JakeX> i switched to pppoe connection so i think i should change iptables entry to: -A FORWARD -i ppp0 -o eth1 -m state --state RELATED,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT ??
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[12:27] <yfir> Epix: also, i've heard that running Nero through Wine will allow you to directly burn to a NetMD, but haven't tried it or seen it done
[12:28] <topyli> felipe__: my sources.list if you want it. not all is very stable, mind you :) http://siltala.net/comp/sources.list
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[12:30] <eliot> I have a question
[12:30] <owlmanatt> Does Ubuntu have an email notification applet hidden somewhere?
[12:30] <Epix> http://www.sorted.org/~pete/Xmd/ will that run on Linux?
[12:30] <eliot> hrhr
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[12:30] <dcraven> owlmanatt: mail-notification
[12:30] <eliot> Is it possible to run kde 3.4 on standard gnome ubuntu
[12:30] <owlmanatt> It isn't in the list of applets I can add, how do I get it in there?
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[12:31] <WhiteRabbit> yfir, nero has released a linux version of nero ya know
[12:31] <djm62> have they?
[12:31] <felipe__> topyli: tkx !! realy !!!!
[12:31] <yfir> WhiteRabbit: ok! i didn't know that
[12:31] <eliot> Is it possible to run kde 3.4 on standard gnome ubuntu?
[12:31] <WhiteRabbit> http://www.nero.com/en/NeroLINUX.html
[12:31] <dcraven> eliot: only if you install it. Normal Ubuntu only installs GNOME by default.
[12:31] <eliot> yes I know
[12:31] <eliot> so I use synaptic right?
[12:31] <JDahl> yfir, it's a crippled version... offers nothing you can't find with an OSS alternative
[12:32] <yfir> Epix: Xmd will work with linux (probably) but at them moment you can only edit disks with it, nothing else
[12:32] <dcraven> eliot: yes
[12:32] <shinu> WhiteRabbit: as you can see im trying out ubuntu :D
[12:32] <Epix> yfir: so there is no solution that will allow me to upload music to them?
[12:32] <yfir> JDahl: ok. i'm not a big fan of nero or anything, just that i heard you can burn sony minidisks with it, that's all
[12:32] <dgo> anybody here who is familiar with grub?
[12:32] <dcraven> eliot: kubuntu-desktop is probably what you want... I'm just guessing though.
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[12:32] <dgo> i mean familiar -> guru?
[12:32] <topyli> felipe__: no problem :)
[12:32] <shinu> WhiteRabbit: works pretty fine, everything auto configured :D just had some minor problems :)
[12:33] <yfir> Epix: i don't think so. not yet. i'm not an expert though, that's just what my research (6 months ago) led me to understand
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[12:33] <Epix> yfir: ok, ill just install sonicstage on my win laptop
[12:33] <WhiteRabbit> shinu, nothing like a sandwitch in one hand & a keyboard in the other! ;)~
[12:33] <topyli> dgo: there are not many people on earth who can say that :)
[12:33] <eliot> umm no I want to have gnome and kde on same os so I will use synaptic
[12:34] <yfir> Epix: i once sent an email to the developer of Xmd and he said he's working on it, but haven't heard anything since
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[12:34] <shinu> WhiteRabbit: haha! well... i just ate noodles so had some more problems *haha* :D
[12:34] <aaron> i am having trouble with ndiswrapper on my hp laptop. can someone help me?
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[12:34] <Epix> wait, could i run sonicstage with WINE
[12:34] <topyli> eliot: install kubuntu-desktop with synaptic. it won't remove gnome
[12:34] <djm62> brand new laptops don't mix with food
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[12:35] <shinu> need some sleep now :D
[12:35] <dgo> it would be alright for me, if he's close to being a grub guru
[12:35] <shinu> gnights everyone
[12:35] <shinu> thanks for you help ^^
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[12:35] <topyli> djm62: i fear you have just noticed they do :)
[12:36] <dcraven> aaron: this might help? --> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SetupNdiswrapperHowto
[12:36] <Nalioth> djm62 buy a toughbook, eat your dinner off of its keyboard
[12:36] <aaron> thanks dcraven. i'll check it out
[12:36] <djm62> topyli: this is the first time I've owned first-hand hardware...I'm not eating /anywhere/ near
[12:36] <topyli> djm62: it will pass i'm sure
[12:37] <djm62> Nalioth: my old one was a toughbook....pre-millennium vintage
[12:37] <owlmanatt> How long does Ubuntu cache my password for GUIs that want root privs? And how can I disable the caching?
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[12:37] <Epix> 'whats VMware
[12:37] <djm62> Nalioth: if I could afford a modern one, I would ;) those were great machines
[12:37] <WhiteRabbit> Epix, dont waste your money on vmware
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[12:37] <WhiteRabbit> Epix, use Xen instead!
[12:37] <Nalioth> djm62, i'll stick with my cheap ol iBook(s)
[12:37] <Epix> WhiteRabbit: what is it
[12:38] <Anlar> how well that Xen runs Windows 2003 server?
[12:38] <eliot> topyli: thanks :)
[12:38] <djm62> ibooks are another "when I'm rich" thing
[12:38] <jdiamond> does anybody know why ntp-server would fail?
[12:38] <djm62> hey..I only use linux cos it's cheap ;)
[12:38] <WhiteRabbit> Anlar, windows support is not included just yet
[12:38] <WhiteRabbit> Epix, http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/Research/SRG/netos/xen/
[12:38] <Nalioth> djm62, ibooks are not for rich peeps
[12:38] <Anlar> whiterabbit: so it's crap. ok.
[12:38] <jdiamond> when i do sudo invoke-rc.d ntp-server start, it doesn't start.
[12:38] <Nalioth> i just bought a new one off the rack for $999 plus tax
[12:38] <n3> hello all
[12:39] <jdiamond> at least i don't see it in the process list.
[12:39] <djm62> Anlar: that's not entirely fair
[12:39] <n3> any scifi fans out there?
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[12:39] <Nalioth> djm62, you can get them from apples refurb store for less than that with FULL warranty
[12:39] <n3> Anyone want to see the new starwars movie???
[12:39] <Nalioth> n3 arent we all?
[12:39] <WhiteRabbit> Anlar, it took one sentence for you to call it crap that a interesting response
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[12:39] <djm62> Nalioth: not in the UK...pounds for dollars :-/
[12:39] <dcraven> owlmanatt: that is defined in sudoers I think.
[12:39] <Nalioth> djm62, sorry for your locale
[12:39] <n3> Well The new starwars movie is available for download via my website
[12:39] <n3> want it?
[12:40] <djm62> yeah, damned island nations
[12:40] <Epix> what WILL wine run?
[12:40] <owlmanatt> dcraven: I figured, I'm looking in the manpage for the option to disable the caching.
[12:40] <Anlar> life rarely is fair.
[12:40] <n3> And ISO of the DVDs too
[12:40] <djm62> everything is shipped...everyone takes a cut
[12:40] <Nalioth> djm62, need to find ya friend in the colonies who can send u a box of cookies <um, er, yes cookies>
[12:40] <n3> (are we allwoed to paste urls?_)
[12:40] <djm62> iCookies ;)
[12:40] <eliot> Anyone running OpenBSD here?
[12:40] <Nalioth> n3 you go for it
[12:40] <n3> anyone want link for new starwars movie?
[12:40] <n3> ok
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[12:41] <n3> www.flamingelectrons.co.nr
[12:41] <n3> ;-)
[12:41] <eliot> just asking because im buying the 3.7 cd's
[12:41] <n3> enjoy
[12:41] <n3> all linked to ftpz
[12:41] <eliot> Hehe, star wars sucks
[12:41] <n3> of course
[12:41] <djm62> Nalioth: when I can afford to holiday there (by which time, the regime will have changed), it will include a serious shop
[12:41] <n3> LOL
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[12:41] <WhiteRabbit> Anlar, Ya well the end in some places are called Fin..
[12:42] <n3> lol
[12:42] <Epix>  all i have ever gotten wine to run is solitare
[12:42] <hans_> is there another way to play *.rm files without having installed real player?
[12:42] <Nalioth> djm62, i love apples refurb policy
[12:42] <Sphearion> Epix, use crossover office
[12:42] <Nalioth> djm62, the same warranty/service as new machines
[12:42] <djm62> 0_0
[12:42] <Nalioth> hans_,  try helix
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[12:43] <djm62> hans_: are you still trying to install realplayer10?
[12:43] <djm62> hans_: chmod +x ~/Desktop/(whatever the realplayer file is)
[12:43] <hans_> nalioth: i already installed it but it cant play *.rm files..."realplayer is required"
[12:43] <abood> guys im facing a proplem in synaptic when i press reload i got these msgs:   E: Invalid record in the preferences file, no Package header
[12:43] <abood> E: Unable to lock the list directory
[12:43] <eliot> hrhr, has anyone got composite to work
[12:43] <WhiteRabbit> hans_, you could install xine
[12:44] <Epix> abood: are you root?
[12:44] <hans_> djm62: no i installed it but i cant start it for some reason and helix is installed too
[12:44] <Epix> or do you have root perms
[12:44] <abood> Epix, its in synaptic, how can i be root in there ?
[12:44] <hans_> but i still cant play *.rm files :(
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[12:45] <hans_> does anyone have the same problem with realplayer not starting?
[12:45] <Epix> hans_: well, can you play rm * files?
[12:45] <hans_> no thats the problem ;)
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[12:46] <Epix> ok
[12:46] <abood> Epix, any comments ?!
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[12:47] <Epix> abood: heh, i thought you meant aptitude. but try an apt-get update just to be sure
[12:47] <Epix> dcraven: uh, how else do you delete files?
[12:48] <dcraven> Epix: I mean real media... Not the command. lol
[12:48] <Epix> dcraven: lol
[12:48] <Nalioth> Epix how to delete files.....oh the horror
[12:48] <djm62> hans_: if you type "which realplay", does it answer you?
[12:48] <dcraven> Epix: you could always do "mv file /dev/null" though.
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[12:49] <dcraven> I think I'll uninstall rm and use that now.
[12:49] <owlmanatt> dcraven: Ah, I had to add timestamp_timeout=0 to the sudoers file to get it to not cache the password.
[12:50] <Epix> dcraven: heh, mv /bin/rm /dev/null
[12:50] <dcraven> owlmanatt: cool. You got it to work :)
[12:50] <dcraven> Epix: exactly.
[12:50] <owlmanatt> Now I just need a mail notification applet. =)
[12:50] <Thorrn4> hello!! I have a problem; I followed the instructions to install Azereus from the http://www.ubuntuguide.org but it will not execute (load)
[12:50] <Epix> dcraven: alias mv /dev/null rm
[12:50] <owlmanatt> I can't find one in the add list or in the package repos...
[12:50] <dcraven> owlmanatt: apt-get install mail-notification
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[12:50] <owlmanatt> dcraven: It can't find that.
[12:50] <Epix> heres the leap of faith
[12:51] <Epix> time to pop in that CD
[12:51] <ruukia> is possible to get 32 bit color on ati mobility radeon 9000 IGP ?? i'm running ubuntu 5.04 on my laptop
[12:51] <Epix> and del windows
[12:51] <owlmanatt> dcraven: I'm using the new release, the hedgehog thing.
[12:51] <dcraven> owlmanatt: it's in universe.
[12:51] <owlmanatt> Gotcha.
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[12:51] <owlmanatt> Epix: Good luck.
[12:51] <WhiteRabbit> ruukia, more like 24bit
[12:51] <owlmanatt> Hope you've backed everything important up, Epix. =)
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[12:51] <Epix> owlmanatt: my music, thats all
[12:52] <Epix> owlmanatt: i use nothing else on that comp
[12:52] <Epix> owlmanatt: here we gooooo!
[12:52] <owlmanatt> Epix: Good then. The install isn't hard to do, so have fun.
[12:52] <Thorrn4> can someone help me?
[12:52] <ruukia> WhiteRabbit, i got 24 bit but is 32 bit possible ?
[12:52] <owlmanatt> Thorrn4: Perhaps, what's wrong?
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[12:52] <Epix> owlmanatt: well, im chatting on another comp, ill be around. i think the install will be better than gentoo's:P
[12:52] <Goonie> hi all.... can anyone help me with a problem in VLC?
[12:53] <WhiteRabbit> ruukia, better yet you tell me why 32bit is better than 24bit or is it really better as 24bit could be better?! hm ;)~
[12:53] <owlmanatt> Epix: ROFL, yes, it will be. Compared to a gentoo install, it's a walk in the park. It detects pretty much everything for you, and it only asks eight or nine questions.
[12:53] <Thorrn4> I followed the instructions to install Azereus from the http://www.ubuntuguide.org but it will not execute (load)
[12:53] <Nalioth> Goonie, name the problem
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[12:53] <Epix> owlmanatt: </sarcasm> but i ahve installed gentoo on a P2 :S:S
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[12:53] <ruukia> WhiteRabbit, honestly dunno :) i was asking cuz my xp supported 32bit ... more colors i guess .
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[12:53] <Goonie> Nalioth~ well... there is no sound in VLC... I can't really find an option to change
[12:54] <WhiteRabbit> Thorrn4, open in nautilus /opt/Azereus & drag the azereus to the top tool bar
[12:54] <WhiteRabbit> Thorrn4, also for Az to work you need java as Az works off java
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[12:54] <WhiteRabbit> ruukia, Heh
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[12:54] <Nalioth> Goonie, what system stuff r u running it on?
[12:54] <Epix> splash screen is purty
[12:55] <hans_> i installed realplayer but how can i delete it
[12:55] <hans_> ?
[12:55] <jdiamond> is there any way to enable SSL with the mail-notification applet?
[12:55] <lsuactiafner> ok how would i go about getting win32 codecs working while using mplayer-64? aint there a way to compile a 32bit binary to use the 32bit codecs?
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[12:55] <Goonie> Nalioth~ system stuff? not sure I know what u mean...
[12:55] <WhiteRabbit> ruukia, Note that there is no 32 bit color. its a tricky term for 24bit really ;)~
[12:55] <Epix> KERNEL PANIC! lol jk
[12:55] <dcraven> ruukia: there is no such thing is 32 bit.. It's all bullshit.
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[12:55] <lsuactiafner> hans_ : its linux you never really need to delete things since it doesnt do shit to a registry ect
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[12:56] <WhiteRabbit> Epix, AIEEE!
[12:56] <Nalioth> Goonie, what processor to start
[12:56] <Epix> wow
[12:56] <ruukia> WhiteRabbit, dcraven, hehe thx :)
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[12:56] <Epix> this is JUST like the debian install
[12:56] <Epix> omg
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[12:56] <dcraven> Epix: it is the Debian install.
[12:56] <Epix> Ubuntu = Debian on Crack
[12:56] <ruukia> lol
[12:56] <hybrid8> lol
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[12:56] <hybrid8> more like opium
[12:57] <Goonie> Nalioth~ it's a laptop.. 1.5 pentium M (banias), Radeon 9700, 1GB ram.....
[12:57] <Thorrn4> WhiteRabbit, where can I d/l JAVA?
[12:57] <WhiteRabbit> ruukia, long as your in 24bit in linux thats great
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[12:57] <dcraven> Thorrn4: ubuntuguide.org
[12:57] <Epix> lol, i took out my Led Zep 3 CD and replaced it with Ubuntu
[12:57] <Thorrn4> I cannot fint it
[12:57] <WhiteRabbit> ruukia, its that same as your 32bit in windows
[12:57] <ruukia> WhiteRabbit, my screen still looks a bit fuzzy though
[12:57] <Nalioth> anyone in here can help Goonie with their sound problems?
[12:58] <WhiteRabbit> Thorrn4, http://ubuntuguide.org/#jre
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[12:58] <Epix> gotta love that hostname... shebang
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[12:58] <Thorrn4> oh, ok thanx
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[12:58] <dcraven> Holy crap.
[12:58] <WhiteRabbit> ruukia, laptop? lcd?
[12:58] <benkong2> I am installing hoary what is the difference between linux-image linux-image 2.6.???
[12:58] <Epix> there we go
[12:58] <Epix> formattting
[12:59] <owlmanatt> dcraven: Kay, I installed it...but it still isn't in the applet list.
[12:59] <ruukia> WhiteRabbit, yup laptop lcd (acer travelmate 2200) with subpixel smoothing
[12:59] <Epix> benkong2: i belive that linux-image is the 2.4 version of the kernel and 2.6 is 2.6
[12:59] <lsuactiafner> ubuntu needs a way to skip formatting if the disk has been formatted to ext3 already with a swap..
[12:59] <lsuactiafner> no need to do it twice.
[12:59] <confrey> Goonie, what's the problem?
[12:59] <benkong2> Epix; thanks back to my install
[12:59] <Epix> benkong2: np, thats what im doing too! :P
[01:00] <dcraven> owlmanatt: system --> Preferences --> Mail Notification
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[01:00] <WhiteRabbit> ruukia, open prefs & goto font
[01:00] <owlmanatt> dcraven: Gotcha, thanks.
[01:00] <WhiteRabbit> ruukia, change it to subpixel lcd mode & hit details & choose hinting full
[01:00] <lsuactiafner> whats the ubuntu developers channel called?
[01:00] <Epix> ubuntu better be a good workstation :P i think it will
[01:01] <Goonie> confrey~ there is no sound in VLC.. I was thinking it was a problem with the sound output not being set to ESD but I can't find any options to change...
[01:01] <ruukia> WhiteRabbit, yup i had already set it at that ...
[01:01] <WhiteRabbit> ruukia, also your gonna want ms core fonts to make the web look yummy
[01:01] <lsuactiafner> Epix : good desktop much like windows but its no server.
[01:01] <ruukia> WhiteRabbit, how ?
[01:01] <WhiteRabbit> sudo apt-get install msttcorefonts
[01:01] <Epix> lsuactiafner: its not like windows. linux doesnt suck
[01:01] <ruukia> thx
[01:01] <Epix> lsuactiafner: linux doesnt get viruses
[01:01] <Epix> lsuactiafner: linux wont cost you money
[01:02] <eruin> "linux doesn't get viruses" ?
[01:02] <confrey> Goonie, try disabling esd
[01:02] <Epix> lsuactiafner: linux wont get quicker over time
[01:02] <dcraven> Epix: it'll get it's share of viruses.. maybe worse.
[01:02] <queuetue> Linux can get viruses - dn't spread mistruths.
[01:02] <lsuactiafner> ubuntu limits the user like windows does.. stuck in a gui with no idea of what goes on, its a desktop linux distrobution
[01:02] <Maikeru> Good morning everybody. I was wondering if anybody has experienced the same problem with Ubuntu, as I'm now. My PCMCIA networkcard is correctly identified with the "cardctl info" command, but it doesn't appear in the "System Administration>>>Network Settings". There's only an annoying "lo loop interface".
[01:02] <Epix> smart users wont give linux viruses
[01:02] <eruin> queuetue: amen
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[01:02] <Thorrn4> thanks you for your help WhiteRabbit!!! it worked
[01:02] <eruin> Epix: smart users wont give windows viruses either
[01:03] <queuetue> Linux make sit more difficult for viruses to infect, due to provelege compartmentalization and a stronger intent to produce secure code, but nothing is immune.
[01:03] <Epix> eruin: well, its hard to get a virus that takes out your system if you are not root...
[01:03] <dcraven> Epix: you wait.
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[01:03] <eruin> Epix: I've heard a dead /home/user can be just as horrible :-)
[01:03] <queuetue> Epix, Most people don't care about the system - they care about thier data, which is completely available to a visrus running as you. :)
[01:03] <Epix> eruin: not as bad as a dead / though
[01:04] <eruin> a dead / can easily be replaced :P
[01:04] <dcraven> Epix: malware is gonna take Linux by storm soon.
[01:04] <Thorrn4> and Ubuntu does not have a root...right?
[01:04] <Anlar> wrong.
[01:04] <eruin> Thorrn4: correct
[01:04] <Epix> Thorrn4: ok, it does, but its locked
[01:04] <eruin> Thorrn4: you can use sudo to run processes "as root" though
[01:04] <queuetue> Epix, If I have to reinstall the OS, I'll live with it no problem.  If I lose all of my data, I will be $!#@ed...
[01:04] <lsuactiafner> does have root if you log as root imho
[01:05] <Epix> it has root if you sudo passwd root
[01:05] <queuetue> Thorrn4, It does have a root.  The recommended way of using 'root-required' programs is with sudo.
[01:05] <lsuactiafner> queuetue : you should make backups anyway on a differant pc in another physical location
[01:05] <Epix> it doesnt have root if you sudo passwd -l root
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[01:05] <lsuactiafner> or if you just su
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[01:05] <queuetue> lsuactiafner, And, since everyone does that, there is no danger, ever, right? :)
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[01:05] <lsuactiafner> so run irc as root mhahahha
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[01:05] <eruin> no real problem ircing as root
[01:05] <Andril> hello all
[01:05] <WhiteRabbit> dcraven, it'll never happen ;)~
[01:05] <Epix> looking at a blue screen. at least its not of death
[01:06] <lsuactiafner> queuetue : if you trust your harddisk then you might as well trust your OS and run windows with no firewall
[01:06] <dcraven> WhiteRabbit: you just wait, it'll ruin us.
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[01:06] <sobersabre> hi guys.
[01:06] <Andril> does anyone know the wiki that shows you how to access the universe & I belive multiverse?
[01:06] <queuetue> Epix, Twice now, you are spreadig misinformation.  Ubuntu has a root - you use it every time you sudo.
[01:06] <Thorrn4> eruin and Epix I was just trying to help ur point....no need to bash my statement
[01:06] <WhiteRabbit> eruin, if the client you use has a exploit or is exploitable then your box can be took over completely since its already in root
[01:06] <Octave_Octet> Hi, I have a source package and I need to compile it with the same options as Ubuntu but with --enable-debug added. What does I need to do
[01:06] <jdiamond> what's the recommended way of doing a bit-by-bit copy of an audio cd?
[01:06] <WhiteRabbit> dcraven, thats a bunch of fud
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[01:06] <Epix> queuetue: yes. but you can 'think' of it like that
[01:06] <dcraven> WhiteRabbit: I hope so.
[01:07] <Maikeru> Could anybody please explain to me what the lo loop interface does?
[01:07] <eruin> WhiteRabbit: fair enough
[01:07] <WhiteRabbit> eruin, other than doin mant or installing software no need to be root what so ever
[01:07] <lsuactiafner> jdiamond : dd if=/dev/cdrom of=image.file bs=1M
[01:07] <Mettwurst_> ??
[01:07] <lsuactiafner> something along those lines
[01:07] <queuetue> Epix, I try to "think" of things as the way they are, especially when it is no more complex to do so.
[01:07] <kanuha> Andril: http://ubuntuguide.org/
[01:07] <eruin> WhiteRabbit: I'm aware of that, but some people seem to think of ircing as root as something like a "rm -rf /" thing
[01:07] <WhiteRabbit> dcraven, this is why so many new comers get ill at linux at the start everything is in lockdown mode, & for good reasoning
[01:07] <queuetue> WhiteRabbit, Except for sport! :)
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[01:07] <sobersabre> lsuactiafner, why not bs=2048 ?
[01:07] <Andril> thanks alot
[01:07] <Epix> queuetue: fair enough. its locked fron login though
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[01:07] <jdiamond> lsuactiafner, thanks. then how do i burn the image onto a blank cd?
[01:08] <lsuactiafner> Octave_Octet : tar -zxf or tar -jxf the source. then cd source_directory ; ./configure --help from there select what you need ./configure ; make ; make install
[01:08] <eruin> Thorrn4: I didn't bash your statement ;)
[01:08] <WhiteRabbit> queuetue, nmap etc software I hear ya
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[01:08] <queuetue> Epix, That wasn't the question that was asked. :)
[01:08] <dcraven> WhiteRabbit: but the first thing they do when something doesn't work is try it again as root. lol
[01:08] <Andril> kanuha: tahnks!
[01:08] <Octave_Octet> lsuactiafner: Yes but I need to use the ubuntu rules
[01:08] <lsuactiafner> jdiamond : if you want to rip a cd use cdparanoia
[01:08] <lsuactiafner> if you want to rip a dvd use mencoder
[01:08] <dockane> has anybdy regognized micro$ofts  new campaing: "it just works"  ?
[01:08] <WhiteRabbit> dcraven, after a while they will learn not to ether way
[01:08] <zero[] > does anybody here use cedega?
[01:08] <jdiamond> lsuactiafner, i don't want to rip it. i want to make a "backup" from one cd to the other.
[01:08] <queuetue> Have you ever used cdparanoia ... as root?
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[01:09] <eruin> dockane: hahahaha where?
[01:09] <lsuactiafner> jdiamond : mkdir /mnt/01 ; mount /dev/cdrom /mnt/01 ; cd /mnt/01 ; ls
[01:09] <eruin> zero[] : yeah, why?
[01:09] <WhiteRabbit> jdiamond, k3b
[01:09] <lsuactiafner> along those lines then copy the data somewhere
[01:09] <Mettwurst_> p
[01:09] <dockane> eruin, http://it.slashdot.org/it/05/04/22/1848206.shtml?tid=201&tid=187&tid=218
[01:09] <queuetue> dockane, Yes, I have heard of it.  They are trying to make longhorn into the Mac. :)
[01:09] <lsuactiafner> then use cdrecord
[01:09] <zero[] > eruin: I'm stuck trying to configure it.. i have wine configured and working, and i installed cedega and i'm wondering how to configure it without point2play?
[01:10] <darknuala> what ia a good prog to recode my mp3's to a lower bitrate?
[01:10] <^thehatsrule^> bleh, dont mass ping
[01:10] <dcraven> Mettwurst_: pong
[01:10] <lsuactiafner> yeh dont.
[01:10] <eruin> zero[] : no idea - I use p2p :P
[01:10] <lsuactiafner>  /IGNORE *!*@* ctcps
[01:10] <lsuactiafner> heh
[01:10] <zero[] > eruin: haha ok
[01:10] <Mettwurst_> ok
[01:10] <lsuactiafner> anyone here have experience with compiling 32bit binaries on a 64bit system?
[01:11] <lsuactiafner> darknuala : lame
[01:11] <Epix> watching Ubuntu install stuff im ready to apt-get remove :P
[01:11] <dockane> queuetue, yes something like this. its unbeliveable. they are some kind of ignorant to their own output (they call it programms and os)
[01:11] <eruin> dockane: wow, that fortune.com url has encoding issues :P
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[01:12] <nxvl_> hi
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[01:12] <nxvl_> i have 2 questions
[01:12] <jroc> hi... anyone use POPFile mail filtering?
[01:12] <Epix> ok. bash = DOS on crack and Ubuntu = Debian on crack lol
[01:12] <nxvl_> 1. how can i do that my network doesnt start at boot??
[01:12] <lsuactiafner> for I in `ls --color=none *.mp3`; do lame -q 2 $I `echo $I.new`; done
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[01:12] <lsuactiafner> just might work
[01:13] <Epix> its like OMG i can paste in bash!
[01:13] <yfir> Epix: don't insult bash
[01:13] <lsuactiafner> hey i run console
[01:13] <lsuactiafner> screw a gui
[01:13] <eruin> bash is like PHPs evil cousin on crack
[01:13] <dockane> eurin, didn't know fortune.com yet but it takes me a lot of ad-blocking
[01:13] <WhiteRabbit> whats with all the fud
[01:13] <FR500> nxvl_:  in network setting unchck the atviate on boot mark
[01:13] <lsuactiafner> when i installed ubuntu the first thing i did was break X and take it out of the startup
[01:13] <lsuactiafner> bash > all
[01:13] <yfir> if you people start shit-talking bash, i'll get very angry
[01:14] <tc> I am trying to install spamassasin (from universe) for evolution  but I get the message "spamassassin: Depends: libhtml-parser-perl (>= 3.31) but it is not installable". Can anyone give me a clue to get it installed?
[01:14] <lsuactiafner> bash.org heheh
[01:14] <eruin> yfir: csh all the way
[01:14] <Maikeru> I'm using Ubuntu 6.06 "The circumcised camel" at the moment, and I strongly recommend it to everybody!
[01:14] <WhiteRabbit> Why do so many people have something to say but yet nothing to talk about...
[01:14] <n3> Revelations takes place between Episodes 3 and 4 of the Star Wars Saga. Emperor Palpatine's power has spread throughout the galaxy. Darth Vader is a feared figure. The Jedi are hunted fugitives. Anyone suspected of harboring Jedi or having any information about them is taken into Imperial custody.
[01:14] <yfir> eruin: heretic!
[01:14] <lsuactiafner> tc : go install everything that looks like perl
[01:14] <eruin> yfir: just godless
[01:14] <nxvl_> FR500: and where is it?? do u know how do i do it in text mode?
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[01:14] <FR500> oh
[01:15] <FR500> nxvl_:  not really :(
[01:15] <nxvl_> FR500: and where are de network settings
[01:15] <tc> lsuactiafner, I get the message "Package libhtml-parser-perl is not available, but is referred to by another package." if I try to install it
[01:15] <lsuactiafner> nxvl_ : btw framebuffer aint text mode, its just high quality graphics that looks like text
[01:15] <FR500> in System Menu ---> Settings?
[01:15] <thegreedyturtle> wah wah, you owe us $142 we are shutting off your internet... stupid earthlink
[01:15] <tc> Google is of not help
[01:15] <nxvl_> FR500: preferences??
[01:15] <lsuactiafner> argh i'll go look quickly
[01:15] <tc> i'm using hoary btw
[01:16] <nxvl_> btw i have hoary
[01:16] <eruin> hehe, I can install spamassassin just fine
[01:16] <lsuactiafner> ok cd /etc/apt/
[01:16] <eruin> I'm running breezy though
[01:16] <eruin> ;)
[01:16] <lsuactiafner> edit the sources.list
[01:16] <b2s> tc: libhtml-parser-perl is in main so it should work fine
[01:16] <FR500> nxvl or settings, doesnt care, i'm not on gnome now
[01:16] <lsuactiafner> as per the ubuntu guide on the ubuntu website
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[01:16] <lsuactiafner> and then apt-get update
[01:17] <lsuactiafner> then apt-get install libhtml-parser-perl
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[01:17] <lsuactiafner> put the lines:
[01:17] <lsuactiafner> deb http://za.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe main restricted multiverse
[01:17] <lsuactiafner> deb-src http://za.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe main restricted multiverse
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[01:17] <lsuactiafner> in sources.list
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[01:17] <lsuactiafner> and hash everything else...
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[01:17] <lsuactiafner> # is a hash
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[01:17] <nxvl> another question
[01:17] <lsuactiafner> ok am sure you didnt understand me but go figure it out from what i said
[01:18] <dcraven> lsuactiafner: lol
[01:18] <KarlosII> hmm we need more help with amd64 in http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=47
[01:18] <tc> lsuactiafner, I used to be a debian user:)
[01:18] <eruin> curses
[01:18] <lsuactiafner> yeh amd64 is fscking with me
[01:18] <eruin> the universe package of muine provides the "mono" binary
[01:18] <lsuactiafner> ah cool
[01:18] <digitalfox|away> is there an sshd on the CD for Hoary?
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[01:18] <eruin> mono-assemblies-base does the same thing
[01:18] <lsuactiafner> i came over from slackware to run 64bit to cheack speeds
[01:18] <nxvl> when i boot mi machine, there is one proceses that says "syncronycyng clock with" and a ubuntu URL
[01:19] <lsuactiafner> but i prefer a developers/server system to a desktop
[01:19] <tc> lsuactiafner, b2s, thanks for that info. my sources.list does not have main in it!! Duh.
[01:19] <nxvl> how can i make to disable it?
[01:19] <eruin> digitalfox|away: that would be odd
[01:19] <zero[] > how can i enable 3d acceleration? it was enabled before, but now when i look at glxinfo i say it's been somehow disabled
[01:19] <b2s> tc: heh
[01:19] <lsuactiafner> nxvl : cd /etc/init.d/
[01:19] <digitalfox|away> eruin, would it?
[01:19] <digitalfox|away> I'd think an sshd would be kinda important for a server
[01:19] <lsuactiafner> then grep ntpdate *
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[01:19] <eruin> digitalfox|away: considering it's not commonly used and the fact that ubuntu is focused on desktops
[01:19] <lsuactiafner> and just chmod -x anything_you-dislike
[01:20] <lsuactiafner> heh
[01:20] <digitalfox> eruin, the site states it can be used for a server as well
[01:20] <eruin> digitalfox: I missed a "on desktops" in there ;)
[01:20] <lsuactiafner> cd /etc/init.d/ ; chmod -x ntpdate
[01:20] <eruin> digitalfox: ofcourse it can - after all, it's linux
[01:20] <lsuactiafner> yeh i was like how do i copy without sshd on a pc
[01:20] <dcraven> digitalfox: isn't openssh-server on the CD?
[01:20] <eruin> digitalfox: it's well available, but it's marked optional
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[01:21] <digitalfox> dcraven, that's what I'm asking
[01:21] <lsuactiafner> really sshd doenst take up resources, might be on the install cd and not installed by default
[01:21] <tc> lsuactiafner, b2s, spamassassin is now installing, thanks :)
[01:21] <lsuactiafner> sshd > all
[01:21] <dcraven> digitalfox: hell if I know.
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[01:21] <lsuactiafner> np
[01:21] <eruin> dcraven: the client is
[01:21] <dcraven> digitalfox: it's in the repos though :)
[01:21] <digitalfox> of course
[01:21] <dcraven> eruin: ahh
[01:21] <nxvl> thnx
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[01:21] <dcraven> poof
[01:21] <digitalfox> I just want to be able to set this up without net, then drop it onto my wired network, hit the button, walk away, and do the rest of my work
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[01:22] <Epix> hmm whats the network config scripty?
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[01:23] <lsuactiafner> anyone here know how to cross compile 32bit binaries on a 64bit system? need to make mplayer use the wmv codecs that aint 64bit
[01:23] <Epix> im SO blowing open this DSL filter :P
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[01:24] <cerebroso> I'm trying to execute pon as a regular user, and I always get this error, even though the user is on the dip group
[01:24] <cerebroso> Error: only members of the 'dip' group can use this command.
[01:24] <cerebroso> help!
[01:24] <b2s> lsuactiafner: generally you install a 32bit chroot environment, and install the linux32 package (which fools programs into thinking they are running on i686 instead of amd64)
[01:25] <pinguvin> is anyone here using pypanel? i cant get it to start :\
[01:25] <lsuactiafner> ok would a slackware 32bit install do? and whats the procedure to setup a chroot environment?
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[01:25] <aaron> dcraven: i have followed the wiki you pointed me to, and have run into a problem. can you help?
[01:25] <cens0red> good moaning
[01:26] <dockane> good evening
[01:26] <cens0red> greetings dockane
[01:26] <b2s> lsuactiafner: yes, you can use any 32bit install you want.  to enter it, you'd mount the 32bit partitions, bind mount things like /proc/ and such, and then run "linux32 chroot /path/to/32bit/area"
[01:27] <dcraven> aaron: depends on the problem
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[01:27] <b2s> (in theory anyway, I don't have a 32bit install at the moment ;)
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[01:27] <cens0red> anyone have any idea why firestarter refuses to let me connect to my psybnc?
[01:27] <aaron> i received a fatal error when i executed the modprobe ndiswrapper command
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[01:28] <lsuactiafner> ouch seems like screwing with /proc can turn out to be fun muhahaha
[01:28] <lsuactiafner> brb
[01:28] <dcraven> aaron: you'll need to be more specific.
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[01:28] <aaron> dcraven: ok, i have downloaded and installed the latest ndiswrapper build
[01:29] <dcraven> aaron: I mean, which fatal error are you getting.
[01:29] <aaron> I have found the drivers for my cards chipset and installed them
[01:29] <muk_x86> what can I install to set my cpu scaling to full power temporarily?
[01:29] <aaron> here is the exact error:
[01:29] <lsuactiafner> muk_x86 : run top
[01:30] <lsuactiafner> then check the process you like to make use the whole cpu
[01:30] <lsuactiafner> then renice it to -3
[01:30] <aaron> FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko): Operation not permitted
[01:30] <muk_x86> ooo, kk
[01:31] <lsuactiafner> nice="-3" ; renice $nice `ps aux | grep program_to_make_use_all_cpu | grep -v grep | grep -v renice | awk '{print $2}'` ;
[01:31] <aaron> it was ran as root
[01:31] <lsuactiafner> modprobe ndiswrapper
[01:31] <lsuactiafner> or insmod /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko
[01:31] <b2s> aaron: check dmesg for errors.  I got that a few times, but I don't remember why :/
[01:31] <bob2> aaron: have you been asking about that all week?
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[01:31] <aaron> all week?  this is my first time in the channel.
[01:31] <bob2> aaron: and please just use the ndiswrapper stuff in ubuntu
[01:32] <bob2> aaron: does that work?
[01:32] <lsuactiafner> but muk_x86 : thats just a way to kludge about, not sure what the program is to control cpu scaling
[01:32] <b2s> bob2: its probably just a common question
[01:32] <bob2> b2s: that's what I strying to find out :)
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[01:32] <wdh> muk_x86, it can be done from 'top' also
[01:32] <wdh> muk_x86, with the 'r' key
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[01:32] <KarlosII> what's the next ubuntu release called?
[01:32] <pinguvin> breezy badger?
[01:32] <wdh> breezy badger
[01:33] <lsuactiafner> cpudyn might do the trick but dont know
[01:33] <KarlosII> breezy badger
[01:33] <aaron> dmesg gives: ndiswrapper (wrapper_init:1534): loadndiswrapper failed (1792); check system log for messages for 'loadndiswrapper'
[01:33] <abbot45> can someone help me sort out my sound?
[01:33] <KarlosII> Ubuntu breezy badger
[01:33] <abbot45> please?
[01:33] <moyogo> Kaloz: breezy for short
[01:33] <KarlosII> what's the cycle length on avg for a releasE?
[01:33] <bob2> aaron: are you using the ndiswrapper stuff from ubuntu?
[01:33] <aaron> yes
[01:33] <moyogo> KarlosII: 6 months
[01:33] <cens0red> what is a "Sun-RPC portmap"?
[01:33] <b2s> also btw bob2, "the ndiswrapper stuff in ubuntu" didn't work AT ALL for me (though to be fair, I'm x86_64)...
[01:33] <moyogo> KarlosII: like the gnome release cycle
[01:34] <bob2> b2s: it's totally not going to work on amd64
[01:34] <wdh> KarlosII, ubuntus releases are time-based..
[01:34] <aaron> i followed http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SetupNdiswrapperHowto
[01:34] <KarlosII> now I have to go read up on that cycle
[01:34] <Sphearion> how do I install .deb files?
[01:34] <Zugot> there is only a broadcom driver for ndiswrapper on amd64
[01:34] <bob2> aaron: you're using sudo, right?
[01:34] <wdh> KarlosII, and use 6 months by default :)
[01:34] <b2s> bob2: the source from ndiswrapper.sf.net works perfectly
[01:34] <Amaranth> b2s: Unless you find a Windows 64-bit driver ndiswrapper won't work.
[01:34] <Zugot> it worked well for me
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[01:34] <cens0red> Sphearion sudo dpkg --install .deb
[01:34] <moyogo> Sphearion: dpkg -i <package>.deb
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[01:34] <aaron> bob2: actually, i activated root and logged in as root
[01:34] <KarlosII> wdh, ah
[01:34] <bob2> aaron: why? and don't do that.
[01:35] <Sphearion> thanks
[01:35] <aaron> bob2: i get tired of typing sudo every 10 seconds
[01:35] <bob2> aaron: then use sudo -s
[01:35] <wdh> aaron, type sudo -s
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[01:35] <aaron> yeah, i didn't think of that
[01:35] <bob2> everyone who's had that problem has played around with root, afaik
[01:35] <bob2> tho I'm not sure how it causes it
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[01:36] <wdh> bob2, but why shouldnt that be done??
[01:36] <Epix> first boot takes forever
[01:36] <aaron> bob2: then i'll fiddle around with it using sudo, and see how it goes
[01:36] <b2s> I always used "sudo bash" (didn't know about sudo -s) but I can't imagine how enabling root could break things
[01:36] <bob2> b2s: me either
[01:36] <bob2> wdh: meh, no reason to
[01:36] <GammaRay> damn.. some "ui critics" can be so anal.
[01:36] <GammaRay> A foot icon? What's that about, anyway? Ubuntu's logo isn't a foot.
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[01:36] <GammaRay> "A foot icon? What's that about, anyway? Ubuntu's logo isn't a foot."
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[01:36] <dr_willis> GammaRay,  thts gnomes logo
[01:36] <GammaRay> supposed to be a quote
[01:37] <dr_willis> :P
[01:37] <dr_willis> Its Gnomo-riffic!
[01:37] <Amaranth> GammaRay: mpt?
[01:37] <GammaRay> dr_willis: tell that to this guy
[01:37] <tc> I'm new to ubuntu today and Applications > System tools > Root Terminal does the business for me
[01:37] <GammaRay> http://mpt.net.nz/archive/2005/04/11/ubuntu
[01:37] <wdh> bob2, but why _shouldnt_ i? :P
[01:37] <b2s> well, I do think it would be nice to show the ubuntu logo instead of the gnome logo... :)
[01:37] <Amaranth> GammaRay: You know who that guy is?
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[01:37] <GammaRay> Amaranth: I really have no idea
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[01:38] <dcraven> I hope they leave the foot alone, although I doubt they will.
[01:38] <bob2> b2s: everytime you change something from upstream gnome, another five million people complain about "omg lolz ubuntu is stealing gnome"
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[01:38] <b2s> hehe
[01:38] <Amaranth> Hmm, I wonder where gnome-menus loads that icon from.
[01:38] <aaron> bob2: after running 'ndiswrapper -l', it says invalid driver, yet it came directly from the source. any ideas?
[01:38] <dr_willis> Clicking once in the address field does not do what people want    --- a ctually yes - it DOES do what i want. :P
[01:38] <dr_willis> lol
[01:38] <b2s> its not about stealing gnome, its about customizing graphics.  That's like saying you shouldn't change any of the themes or anything either
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[01:39] <pinguvin> what is ppmodule and how do i get it?
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[01:39] <thanatosys> does anyone know if drivers compiled for 386 will work for a 686 kernel
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[01:39] <bob2> pinguvin: why do you want it if you don't know what it is?
[01:39] <bob2> thanatosys: they won't, in general
[01:39] <bob2> aaron: no, sorry, I've never used ndiswrapper
[01:39] <dcraven> haha
[01:39] <bob2> aaron: what chipset do you have, btw?
[01:39] <b2s> thanatosys: you should use drivers compiled for your specific kernel (even if both are i686, but one is recompiled)
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[01:39] <pinguvin> bob2, cause pypanel wont start without it.. it looks like
[01:40] <aaron> bob2: its an agere chipset. it is the orinoco proxim 8420-wd
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[01:41] <GammaRay> well atleast gnome has gotten to the point where complaints come from the people you will *never* actually satisfy.
[01:41] <neighborlee> just wondering will there ever be a hook into say firefox to allow installing of .deb 's ?
[01:41] <aaron> bob2: the driver is wlagsall.inf. it came driectly from the install CD and the website
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[01:41] <eruin> neighborlee: I think something like that is in the works
[01:41] <neighborlee> GammaRay: sorry I just got here but what exactly do you mean
[01:41] <neighborlee> eruin: kewl
[01:41] <eruin> I'm guessing post-breezy though I think it's on the breezy goals
[01:42] <neighborlee> nice
[01:42] <GammaRay> neighborlee: http://mpt.net.nz/archive/2005/04/11/ubuntu
[01:42] <neighborlee> eruin: yeah along with a decent GUI d-i <G>
[01:42] <neighborlee> GammaRay: thx checking <
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[01:42] <bob2> neighborlee: that has serious security issues
[01:42] <bob2> neighborlee: personally I'd say encouraging people to install random stuff from websites is baaaad
[01:43] <eruin> neighborlee: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BreezyBadger <--- SoftwareMap
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[01:43] <neighborlee> bob2: I dont buy that...fedora /rh does it as does mdk..I could see maybe fedora but not all threee
[01:43] <eruin> bob2: we're not talking random stuff though
[01:43] <bob2> eruin: how would firefox know what to trust?
[01:43] <GammaRay> neighborlee: autopackage is really better for that than rpm or deb
[01:43] <bob2> neighborlee: they do lots of things which aren't good ideas ;)
[01:44] <neighborlee> bob2: heh
[01:44] <eruin> bob2: how does synaptic know what to trust?
[01:44] <bob2> neighborlee: what would be the advantage of that over just putting packages in ubuntu?
[01:44] <Burgundavia> neighborlee, eruin install .deb files off the internet is a very very bad thing
[01:44] <GammaRay> bob2: I'd say debian does atleast as many
[01:44] <bob2> eruin: by where it came from
[01:44] <bob2> GammaRay: ok!
[01:44] <eruin> bob2: exactly - where's the issue?
[01:44] <Burgundavia> eruin, in order to break the trust in synatpic, one has to do something (install extra repos)
[01:44] <neighborlee> Burgundavia: as a whole I trust the linux community..
[01:44] <neighborlee> Burgundavia: but I get your point
[01:44] <bob2> neighborlee: that's a bad idea
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[01:44] <Burgundavia> eruin, in order to break the trust in a .deb over ff, one merely needs to visit a website
[01:44] <eruin> Burgundavia: you're saying it's impossible to patch firefox/write an extension to support interfacing with apt/dpkg?
[01:45] <neighborlee> bob2: mabye the firefox module has a module that checks for signature I dont know
[01:45] <bob2> eruin: because synaptic by default only looks at trusted places
[01:45] <Thorrn4> the .AVI movie that i have does not have video...what codec to I need?
[01:45] <bob2> neighborlee: if something has to be signed by a trusted group, then it's no more effort for that trusted group to host it
[01:45] <bob2> Thorrn4: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[01:45] <Burgundavia> neighborlee, you have to look beyond the issue of just the linux community
[01:45] <Cowlike> does anyone know why zinf doesn't seem to want to use the mixer to share audio? juk works fine but zinf seems to take total control of sound card
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[01:45] <dcraven> Yeah I can't wait until we all browse the web as root.
[01:45] <neighborlee> Burgundavia: yes i realize
[01:46] <bob2> Cowlike: you need to configure it to use esd
[01:46] <Burgundavia> dcraven, sounds almost like that other OS
[01:46] <neighborlee> Burgundavia: but come on..;-)...if its okay for RHEE and fedora and mdk..( mabye suse I dont know).then I can't imagine its considered a security hole ;-)
[01:46] <mishof> How can i watch my wine windows files in nautilus
[01:46] <drummer87> hi all, what programs are there to record video from a tv card?
[01:46] <Burgundavia> neighborlee, umm, mdk/fh/rh don't have the power of apt
[01:46] <dr_willis> mishof,  huh>
[01:46] <bob2> dr_willis: xawtv does, iirc
[01:46] <eruin> Burgundavia: huh?
[01:46] <b2s> neighborlee: are you sure rh automatically installs RPMs from websites?  That's just weird...
[01:46] <neighborlee> Burgundavia: ?
[01:46] <bob2> Burgundavia: apt has been ported to rpm
[01:47] <Burgundavia> it is not on by default
[01:47] <bob2> but apt isn't what's awesome about Debian and ubuntu
[01:47] <GammaRay> Burgundavia: mandrake certainly does
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[01:47] <JakeX> can someone help me setup iptables routing.. this is pissing me off.. been @ it for 2 hours now :(
[01:47] <bob2> it's Policy that means all the random .debs work together properly
[01:47] <GammaRay> Burgundavia: it's called urpmi
[01:47] <bob2> JakeX: iptables doesn't do routing
[01:47] <b2s> Burgundavia: up2date on fedora (and maybe rhel) supports both yum and apt
[01:47] <neighborlee> bob2: I disagree at least partially
[01:47] <eruin> Burgundavia: if that's not on - you've got YUM or urpmi
[01:47] <eruin> get educated.
[01:47] <bob2> neighborlee: with what?
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[01:47] <joshua> Hey.  Are there any p2p problems in the basic repo's or at least universe?
[01:47] <mishof> dr_willis, lets say ive installed some software under wine in c:\program files\bla ... i understood i can browse my "wine file system" using nautilus..
[01:47] <Burgundavia> b2s, and there is nothing like the number of packages ala Ubuntu/debian
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[01:48] <bob2> JakeX: install the ipmasq package
[01:48] <JakeX> what do i use for routing then? all tutorials show iptables.. for nat
[01:48] <neighborlee> bob2: thats one of the things I find amazing about ubuntuy albeits its just one facet of it of course...apt rocks and being there out of the box was also enticing ( and having working sound right off )
[01:48] <qumran_> Hey guys. Is it possible to copy and entire partition do another empty partition, make that partition bootable and boot the system from that one? As a backup copy ?
[01:48] <bob2> nat isn't routing
[01:48] <JakeX> k
[01:48] <bob2> neighborlee: sure, but apt exists on other systems
[01:48] <eruin> I think what's great about ubuntu/debian isn't not so much apt itself as the package maintainers
[01:48] <GammaRay> Burgundavia: even if it's true, what does that have to do /w this? I thought this was about security not a pissing match of respitories
[01:48] <bob2> neighborlee: and apt is useless if all the packages are crap
[01:48] <bob2> eruin: yes!
[01:48] <Burgundavia> bob2, there is a difference between it exist and it is the default system
[01:48] <eruin> minus a "not" :P
[01:48] <neighborlee> bob2: of course ;-)
[01:48] <b2s> JakeX: routing should be relatively automatic as log as forwarding is enabled
[01:49] <bob2> apt lets you leverage the awesome work of the developers
[01:49] <dr_willis> mishof,  just fire yo nautulus and go to that  directory thats the C: (mine for cedega is ~/TransGaming_Drive, thats where the "program files" dir is at. syould be alle to click on a .exe and wine will run it.
[01:49] <Burgundavia> GammaRay, sorry, I didn
[01:49] <Burgundavia> GammaRay, explain myself very well
[01:49] <bob2> Burgundavia: mandrake/rh still don't include it by default?
[01:49] <Burgundavia> GammaRay, we don
[01:49] <bob2> l4m3.
[01:49] <Burgundavia> bob2, not the latest fc, afaik
[01:49] <Burgundavia> bob2, and mdk uses urpmi
[01:49] <mishof> dr_willis, thats the thing, i dont know what is C: ... :(
[01:50] <dr_willis> mishof,  try looking in your home dir. :P
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[01:50] <Epix> ubuntu installllllllled!
[01:50] <dr_willis> wine makes  a .SOMTHING i think for its emulated windows drive.
[01:50] <Burgundavia> GammaRay, basically, debian probably has more software packaged for it then any other system, therefor there is less need to consider broken ideas like autopackage
[01:50] <b2s> bob2: they don't install apt by default, but up2date speaks apt and yum, so you just use that.  works fine
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[01:50] <qumran_> Another question ... can anyone please explain to me the main difference between ubuntu and debian?
[01:50] <mishof> dr_willis, ~/.wine/drive_c hehe :)
[01:50] <Burgundavia> qumran_, ubuntu is debian polished
[01:51] <dr_willis> mishof,  mine is   /home/willis/.wine/fake_windows
[01:51] <boredofthesane> is there an application that aids in creating gnome themes, or is it all by hand?
[01:51] <neighborlee> bob2: Burgundavia : all im saying is IMO being able to install stuff from the web is ONE more step closer to functionality missing atm and keeping linux from greatness...security aside ( we have how many virus's in linux ?LOL) I think we need it because if not people will use windows for just that ease of use..you know workflow really IS important to people..they dont want to 'drop to dos' and compile or dpkg something ;-))
[01:51] <eruin> bob2: rh likes pushing yum :P
[01:51] <neighborlee> eruin: ick
[01:51] <neighborlee> eruin: yum is ssssssslow
[01:51] <eruin> yes
[01:51] <b2s> qumran_: ubuntu is the "unstable" packages from debian, but with the packages stabilized
[01:52] <eruin> neighborlee: one of the reasons I switched to ubuntu ;p
[01:52] <GammaRay> Burgundavia: autopackage's has a purpose until alls distros share the same package names and compatable versions.
[01:52] <redemption> Anyone have experience copying your root linux partition to another hard drive so that it boots up from that other hard drive?
[01:52] <Burgundavia> neighborlee, and I am saying that install of the web is a terrible idea, and will not hurt linux in the long run
[01:52] <eruin> apt feels kind of "out of place" in a fedora system too
[01:52] <mjg59>  /win 18
[01:52] <neighborlee> eruin: I believe it.it really is nasty LOL
[01:52] <mishof> dr_willis, another question: I read a tutorial on installing ie under wine. it says at some point to run "regedit file.reg", i have no regedit :\
[01:52] <mjg59> argh.
[01:52] <mjg59>  /win 18
[01:52] <Burgundavia> GammaRay, autopackage is a nice idea, but a broken implementation
[01:52] <mjg59> ARGH.
[01:52] <dcraven> Sounds like slashdot in here now... I'm outtie for a while.
[01:52] <qumran_> So it's not possible to go from a ubuntu installation to a debian distro .... with dist-upgrade through debian unstable repositories?
[01:52] <GammaRay> Burgundavia: ubuntu is not totally compatable with debian which is not totally compatable with knoppix. Seems kinda familar coming from an rpm distro.
[01:53] <sobersabre> qumran_, i did the oposite: from sarge to hoary
[01:53] <Epix> how do i make my gnome look nicer.. not the bg, its ok.. is there themes for gnom,e
[01:53] <sobersabre> Epix, try gnome-look.org
[01:53] <Burgundavia> GammaRay, most of Ubuntu is debian
[01:53] <dr_willis> mishof,  no idea.. i dont run IE under windows unelss I have to.. :P
[01:53] <b2s> dcraven: wouldn't that be more like "OMG w1nd0wz is teh sux0r!! I us3 lun1x 9.0!"
[01:53] <eruin> Burgundavia: you're essentially already installing off the web when you use apt-get install "package from universe"
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[01:53] <GammaRay> Burgundavia: most of mdk was redhat at one time
[01:53] <qumran_> sobersabre, yes, people seem to do that... but what about to go the other way. is it possible?
[01:53] <Burgundavia> eruin, ah, but the difference is many fold
[01:53] <mishof> dr_willis, what do you do when you have to ? :P
[01:53] <neighborlee> eruin: true
[01:53] <eruin> Burgundavia: name one
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[01:53] <dr_willis> mishof,  ive rarely had to.
[01:54] <Burgundavia> eruin, signed repos that are controlled by a small group of poeople, by default
[01:54] <eruin> Burgundavia: this all depends on implementation, ofcourse
[01:54] <mishof> dr_willis, and then ? :P
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[01:54] <qumran_> i mean is it possible to go from hoary to sid?
[01:54] <Burgundavia> eruin, it doesn;t look like the web
[01:54] <Burgundavia> GammaRay, Ubuntu just synced to Debian sid
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[01:54] <sobersabre> qumran_, i think you can go from anything to debian ;-)
[01:54] <eruin> Burgundavia: and what's stopping a browser "clicknplay" thing from using the same authentication method?
[01:54] <Burgundavia> GammaRay, my mailbox is full because of it
[01:54] <GammaRay> Epix: it ships with a few themes... otherwise try art.gnome.org
[01:54] <dr_willis> mishof,  actually i can only think of ONE site I must use IE.. and thats MS's own update.. and with their auto-updates - i dont even have to do that
[01:54] <Burgundavia> eruin, it is not so much the technical implementation as the changing peoples ideas
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[01:54] <eruin> Burgundavia: so http://archive.ubuntu.com/ isn't on the web?
[01:55] <Ryan251> hi
[01:55] <Burgundavia> eruin, if they think software comes from ff, they will not understand the diff between spyware and a porgram
[01:55] <Ryan251> i have a technical problem and need serious help!
[01:55] <Ryan251> :(
[01:55] <qumran_> sobersabre, :) But my problem now is .... almost all packages is updated to debian sid, but not the base, and many packages are kept back, and i'm afriad that a full dist-upgrade will crash my system
[01:55] <eruin> Burgundavia: that's a valid concern
[01:55] <Burgundavia> Ryan251, what do you need help with?
[01:55] <Ryan251> ok
[01:55] <Burgundavia> eruin, that is the biggest reason I see against adopting autopackage wholesale
[01:55] <redemption> If I getting a new harddrive and want to completely copy over my root part / swap partition on one hard drive and replace it with a new hard drive, how would I do this? Also, my old harddrive is linux and the new one is SATA so I assume there will be different device names.
[01:56] <eruin> Burgundavia: this again depends on the implementation though.. a program link on the "softwaremap" could open synaptic (or something less monolithic) and install that program
[01:56] <sobersabre> redemption, use dd
[01:56] <hans_> is there a way to install the graphics driver for my ati 9700?
[01:56] <Burgundavia> eruin, still leads people to think that sofware comes from ff
[01:56] <Burgundavia> eruin, better to have one well integrated app that doesn't look like ff
[01:56] <eruin> Burgundavia: that won't matter
[01:56] <eruin> Burgundavia: true
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[01:57] <dockane> redemption, thats not trivial. but maybe "man dd" helps you
[01:57] <redemption> sobersabre: I kind of assumed that I would do a dd if=/dev/hda5 of =/dev/sda1  but what files wold I have to change to tell it at boot up to load the kernel off of sda1
[01:57] <b2s> hans_: yes, the fglrx driver
[01:57] <mishof> dr_willis, but did you manage to install it under wine ? the installer quits and says something about windows update :\
[01:57] <bob2> neighborlee: oh, I absolutely agree installing software should be simple
[01:57] <bob2> neighborlee: my only concern is that I'd rather they did it from ubuntu repositories instead of random websites
[01:57] <GammaRay> redemption: that only woirks w/ dd if both hdd are exactly the same
[01:58] <bob2> neighborlee: (sorry about the delay, the network here at UDU is crap)
[01:58] <qumran_> One problem i have in Ubuntu is permission based. I used expert installation mode, and now all the programs which need root access, ask for root password, says wrong password or just simply not even loading the program
[01:58] <transgress> qumran_: you sure it isn't asking for your user password?
[01:58] <dr_willis> mishof,  i would never even consider trying to install IE with wine. :P
[01:58] <qumran_> i have to start those programs from a terminal in su
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[01:58] <eruin> bob2: the site in question would be run by the ubuntu team - software would still be pulled from the normal apt backend
[01:58] <qumran_> transgress, it wouldn't matter cause it's the same
[01:58] <GammaRay> redemption: it makes more sense to create the new partitions and use cp -a
[01:58] <XplOzIon> hi
[01:58] <bob2> eruin: then why bother doing it over the web at all?
[01:59] <mishof> dr_willis, cedega is better ?
[01:59] <eruin> bob2: that's what we're doing right now though isn't it?
[01:59] <Cowlike> qumran, can't you just do something like "sudo passwd root" and set the root password?
[01:59] <eruin> mishof: than wine - for games
[01:59] <neighborlee> bob2: I do understand your concerns
[01:59] <bob2> eruin: no, people use synaptic
[01:59] <bob2> bbiab folks
[01:59] <qumran_> well, i have the correct root password, but the program doesn't get it
[01:59] <eruin> people shouldnt have to use synaptic
[01:59] <qumran_> i already set a root pass
[01:59] <thegreedyturtle> qumran_ what program?
[02:00] <qumran_> for example synaptic
[02:00] <redemption> Gammaray: what files would I have to change to make it boot off of the new harddrive then?
[02:00] <neighborlee> eruin: yeah thats my feeling as well...
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[02:00] <GammaRay> redemption: /boot/grub/menu.lst
[02:00] <eruin> they should be treated with a better categorized site with screenshots, etc
[02:00] <thegreedyturtle> synaptic is asking for a root password or for a gnome-sudo password?
[02:00] <GammaRay> redemption: also /etc/fstab
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[02:00] <dr_willis> mishof,  it is for games. :P but over all wine and cedega have 'issues' with loads of stuff.. but the fact that some things runs well.. is amazeing also. :P
[02:00] <eruin> which should in turns have simple links that would trigger an external program to install the software
[02:00] <qumran_> gnome-sudo
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[02:00] <thegreedyturtle> that would be asking for your user password then
[02:01] <dockane> redemption, you might also get file permission issues or something like that. i found a german howto for that in a wiki
[02:01] <Zotnix> anyone know where I can find a list of install CD parameters (like, I can pass "custom" for example)?
[02:01] <thegreedyturtle> i wonder: try setting it up to allow root login to gnome and see if stuff works as that
[02:01] <neighborlee> eruin: hmm thinking cnr are you ? <G>
[02:01] <GammaRay> dockane: -a perserves permissions
[02:01] <qumran_> alright, but it doesn't work ;) I have fixed it temporarily by putting my user into the sudoers list with all priviliges
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[02:01] <thegreedyturtle> Zotnix: can't say i know of a list on the web, but if you boot from an install cd you can view them befor booting
[02:01] <Zotnix> ah, okay
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[02:02] <eruin> neighborlee: I'm thinking probably a seperate application that uses gecko to render an ubuntu-controlled site that can be used to click n install progs
[02:02] <redemption> GammaRay , dockane: Thanks alot for the help!
[02:02] <neighborlee> eruin: very nice
[02:02] <GammaRay> redemption: and it would be a good idea to install grub onto the new hdd before you reboot.. with grub-install
[02:02] <eruin> that sounds a bit better than using firefox and won't lead the users to believe apps come from "ff" as Burgundavia feared
[02:02] <neighborlee> eruin: is this actually being considered ? ;-)
[02:02] <thegreedyturtle> qumran_: System -> Administration -> Users and groups, select your username and under properties make sure it has Executing System Administration Tasks checked
[02:02] <GammaRay> you could easily boot the new hdd w/ grub from the old one though
[02:02] <Rhymes> is there a way to upgrade to the latest gtk+ in ubuntu hoary? i have 2.6.4 but 2.6.7 it's the last one
[02:02] <Burgundavia> eruin, I would avoid gecko, as ou don't need the full power of a html renderer, and gecko is a security issue
[02:02] <GammaRay> redemption: you could easily boot the new hdd w/ grub from the old one though
[02:03] <neighborlee> eruin: true
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[02:03] <eruin> neighborlee: it's being considered as far as I know - looks like it judging from the wiki, but I haven't seen much traffic on the matter on the list
[02:03] <redemption> Gammaray: kinda like running lilo after changing config in the old days?
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[02:03] <neighborlee> eruin: gotcha
[02:03] <eruin> Burgundavia: if you want a site that's "11 out of 10 on the cool scale" like the wiki says - you need gecko
[02:03] <thegreedyturtle> god, don't ever mention lilo again XD
[02:03] <joshua> sheizinhoff
[02:03] <GammaRay> thegreedyturtle: huh?
[02:04] <Burgundavia> eruin, you don't need gecko for displaying a few things like this
[02:04] <sobersabre> redemption, if you use scsi you maybe will need initrd
[02:04] <GammaRay> redemption: yea but a bit more flexable
[02:04] <eruin> Burgundavia: unless you're going to use html 3.2 and tables - you do
[02:04] <redemption> Gammaray: Yeah, I could but my old hard drive is really noisy :-P I was looking to do some upgrades to lower the decibels on my comp.
[02:04] <gabaug> is there an easy way to reinstall Ubuntu so I get pretty much the same set of pkgs reinstalled? my system is pretty fubar'd
[02:04] <eruin> libgtkhtml is nowhere remotely close to gecko
[02:04] <qumran_> thegreedyturtle, i can't find it. It not under 'User privileges' :(
[02:04] <Burgundavia> eruin, you don't need a renderer at all
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[02:04] <Ryan251> does anyone here know how to recover a windows OS after being not overwritten, but hidden?
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[02:05] <eruin> Burgundavia: then how would you render the xhtml/css ?
[02:05] <Burgundavia> eruin, as you have a fixed amount of content being displayed in a fixed way
[02:05] <Burgundavia> eruin, dump html/css entirely
[02:05] <thegreedyturtle> qumran_: in users and groups, click your username, then on the right there's Properties that will light up, when you open properites, it's the third tab
[02:06] <gabaug> Ryan251: you can figure out which partition Windows is on with sudo fdisk -l /dev/hda
[02:06] <GammaRay> redemption: btw.. i'd copy then edit.. not edit then copy .. you want a working hdd to fall back on
[02:06] <eruin> Burgundavia: how else would you display relevant user comments, screenshots, etc?
[02:06] <redemption> sobersabre, Gammaray: I'm getting my first SATA harddrive soon (i.e. don't have it yet so I don't know.) Are SATA drives recognized through SCSI emulation driver
[02:06] <lsuactiafner> <lsuactiafner> W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net unstable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the
[02:06] <lsuactiafner>                public key is not
[02:06] <lsuactiafner> <lsuactiafner> available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907
[02:06] <lsuactiafner> <lsuactiafner> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptAuthenticationInstructionsForHoary followed those instructions
[02:06] <Burgundavia> eruin, you define a fixed rendering in the software, and then feed the info into that
[02:06] <thegreedyturtle> qumran_: it should be a list of check boxes such as access to cdrom drives, setup printers and more
[02:06] <GammaRay> redemption: I have not delt w/ any yet
[02:06] <Burgundavia> lsuactiafner, see www.ubuntuguide.org
[02:06] <eruin> Burgundavia: I can honestly say we won't see a "cool" gtk interface in ages
[02:06] <eruin> not until cairo kicks in
[02:06] <Burgundavia> eruin, what do you mean?
[02:06] <Burgundavia> eruin oh
[02:06] <gabaug> Ryan251: then you need an entry in your /boot/grub/menu.lst file
[02:07] <qumran_> thegreedyturtle, Yes, i found tthat ..... but the is not any Executing System Administration Tasks :(
[02:07] <redemption> Gammaray: Yeah, that's what I figured, but I didn't know what else I'd want to do to switch over the booting procedure.  Again, thanks alot for the help!
[02:07] <thegreedyturtle> qumran_: uh oh....
[02:07] <lsuactiafner> thanks
[02:07] <eruin> Burgundavia: it's also meant to look good even in a kubuntu desktop
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[02:07] <qumran_> thegreedyturtle, uh oh ? that doesn't sound promising
[02:07] <qumran_> ;)
[02:07] <Burgundavia> eruin, then you need something other gecko anyway
[02:07] <qumran_> Have i screwed up?
[02:07] <Burgundavia> eruin, as there are no qt-gecko bindings
[02:07] <qumran_> In the installation?
[02:08] <Burgundavia> eruin, the more things you avoid using, the better you are
[02:08] <thegreedyturtle> qumran_: the 6th one down should be "Executing system administration tasks" and if it's not on the list, then you'll have problems using sudo to do things...
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[02:08] <Burgundavia> eruin, and a full rendering engine always has holes
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[02:08] <thegreedyturtle> qumran_: and to actually get it there is a little beyond me atm, but I'll look into it real quick
[02:08] <karljp> anyone here a gnome volume manager guru?
[02:08] <qumran_> thegreedyturtle, darn, is there a way to get it there?
[02:08] <Burgundavia> eruin, so even if you are providing all of the content, you still want to remove any issues
[02:08] <qumran_> thegreedyturtle, thanks man ;)
[02:08] <neighborlee> gabaug: i'd think synaptic could do that and of course apt but I dont know the command off hand
[02:08] <eruin> Burgundavia: the main app should be run as the user
[02:09] <karljp> I have a removable disk that appears as simply an ide disk, not ide floppy, or ide cdrom, and not under usb.
[02:09] <eruin> Burgundavia: the install part should be run as root
[02:09] <karljp> so it doesn't seem to automount as removable media
[02:09] <eruin> Burgundavia: and now we're getting way too technical for me anyway ;)
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[02:10] <Burgundavia> eruin, I think what you are suggesting is good, you jsut have to think about the full security/usablity ramifications of everything you are doing
[02:10] <eruin> Burgundavia: I'm not the one who'll see this through :-)
[02:10] <qumran_> thegreedyturtle, i found it!
[02:10] <Burgundavia> eruin, nor am I
[02:11] <eruin> Burgundavia: I'm confident it'll be secure enough if they do decide to implement it though
[02:11] <qumran_> thegreedyturtle, "Under 'User priviledges' make sure 'Executing system administration tasks' is checked. If you don't have that option listed, add the admin group using the 'Users and Groups' tool and then trying adding your username to the group"
[02:11] <thegreedyturtle> rock on
[02:11] <qumran_> ;D
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[02:11] <nekohayoo> hey there, anyone still using a voodoo 2? I apt-got the libglide2 package, but it doesn't work on hoary yet.
[02:11] <qumran_> thegreedyturtle, thanks for the help ... i really appreciate it
[02:11] <Burgundavia> eruin, indeed
[02:11] <thegreedyturtle> you are welcome
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[02:12] <eruin> anyone know if Lsongs (linspire) is based on rhythmbox?
[02:12] <mark__> Newbie here - I want to setup a mail server on my new Ubuntu system - looking for pointers please
[02:12] <Burgundavia> eruin, I doubt it, as lsongs is non-free
[02:12] <eruin> Burgundavia: I'd say the same, but the apps are remarkably similar
[02:13] <neighborlee> eruin: I'd ditto that
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[02:13] <Burgundavia> eruin, linspire may be "differnet" but they are not dumb
[02:13] <eruin> Burgundavia: that, and Lsongs looks like it's GTK - looking very out of place in the Linspire KDE desktop
[02:13] <Burgundavia> and they are both based on itunes anyway
[02:13] <neighborlee> eruin: agreed
[02:13] <eruin> yeah, I just don't see why they'd create a gtk app for their kde desktop
[02:14] <neighborlee> eruin: i'd be much more tempted by linpsire if not for the mess you can get into with apt LOL
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[02:14] <sobersabre> i have a question.
[02:14] <neighborlee> eruin: granted "I" am not their target audience /-))
[02:14] <sobersabre> if somehow the system was installed with utc time, instead of "local time"
[02:15] <sobersabre> is there a way to make it use local time ?
[02:15] <eruin> neighborlee: I do like their installer though
[02:15] <eruin> ;)
[02:15] <Fleebailey33> could anyone recomend a external dvd burner that'll work with linux?
[02:15] <Fleebailey33> smaller the better
[02:15] <neighborlee> eruin: yeah ..simple and effective like d-i ( although I can't wait for a gtk-fb version)
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[02:16] <Thorrn4> Im trying to get mplayer with a gui what would be the apt-get for that?
[02:16] <sobersabre> mark__, what is it ?
[02:16] <Burgundavia> neighborlee, there are some serious technical issues to be solved to make d-i havea gui
[02:16] <digitalfox> Thorrn4, I'd think it'd be part of mplayer...
[02:16] <Burgundavia> Thorrn4, correct
[02:16] <sobersabre> query won't suffice ?
[02:16] <digitalfox> the command for it is then "gmplayer"
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[02:17] <mark__> sobersabre - you can fix your time by right-clicking on the clock.
[02:17] <neighborlee> Burgundavia: I knew they had solved several and working on like what...10 more or something ?
[02:17] <sophie_msumu> #gastronomie
[02:17] <sobersabre> hmm
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[02:17] <neighborlee> Burgundavia: or i'm thinking of ananconda thread ;-)
[02:17] <sobersabre> i am not used to right-click my clock.
[02:17] <sobersabre> :)
[02:17] <sobersabre> tzconfig/tzselect etc... would suffice for that ?
[02:17] <digitalfox> sobersabre, right click your clock, then hit "adjust"
[02:17] <Burgundavia> neighborlee, anaconda, from what I understand, is borked inside
[02:18] <neighborlee> Burgundavia: correct
[02:18] <benkong2> hello everyone speaking from x-chat in new ubuntu hoary. How can I change resolution from 640x480?
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[02:18] <mark__> sobersabre - are you using the graphical user interface?
[02:18] <neighborlee> Burgundavia: thats how I read it as well...can't use it anyway as d-i has to work on a myriad of hardware which ananconda I understand can't or not easily
[02:18] <eruin> Thorrn4: run "gmplayer"
[02:18] <xMaximex> It is possbiel to run a "scandisk" on a ntfs partition ?? I have a partition that is corrupted and there's no way for me to perform a scan .. except under linux
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[02:18] <Ryan251> Does anyone know how to recover a Windows Partition that was not preserved during the install process?
[02:19] <Ryan251> Does anyone know how to recover a Windows Partition that was not preserved during the install process?
[02:19] <Burgundavia> benkong2, you don't. Ubuntu is a giant conspiracy. Mark owns shares in a monitor company that only makes 15" CRTs
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[02:19] <benkong2> Burgundavia, oh oh I'm in trouble
[02:19] <Thorrn4> eruin, apt-get install gmplayer?
[02:19] <eruin> Thorrn4: no, just install mplayer
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[02:19] <mark__> Anyone - I want to setup a mail server on my new Ubuntu system - looking for pointers please?
[02:20] <eruin> and run "gmplayer" instead of "mplayer"
[02:20] <serfurj> why would a package in [multiverse]  not be found by apt-get after all sources in /etc/apt/sources.list have been uncommented followed by a apt-get update?
[02:20] <Ryan251> Does anyone know how to recover a Windows Partition that was not preserved during the install process?
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[02:20] <Burgundavia> benkong2, first try, system-->prefs-->screen resolution
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[02:20] <Burgundavia> benkong2, if it isn't there, we need to edit the xorg.conf
[02:20] <sobersabre> mark__, got it done. i understand now what was the problem. something with 2005 daylight saving in my tz ntp server was screwed up
[02:20] <gabaug> how can I get a list of currenty installed .deb's that I can dump to a file?
[02:20] <benkong2> Burgundavia, only gave me 640x480 choice tried that first.
[02:20] <digitalfox> Ryan251, I don't there's much you can do
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[02:20] <eruin> I wonder why mplayer-k6 depends on xmms :o
[02:20] <benkong2> gotta do some editing
[02:20] <serfurj> ...specifically, abs-guide: http://packages.ubuntu.com/hoary/doc/abs-guide
[02:21] <sobersabre> so after i synced the clock, it was 1 hour back!
[02:21] <hksdu> does ubuntu repository have proprietory RealPlayer?
[02:21] <sobersabre> now it works fine, which means that the skew was fixed.
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[02:21] <eruin> hksdu: it's in the multiverse repository, yeah
[02:21] <Burgundavia> hksdu, there is a wrapper package that should downoad and install it
[02:21] <__Ace__> anyone here wanna tell me some more repositories I can use (the ones I use now aint got Tk::Dialogbox)
[02:21] <hksdu> eruin, what's the name? rplayer? or rplay?
[02:21] <eruin> "realplayer"
[02:21] <benkong2> Burgundavia, can I run xorgconf?
[02:22] <xMaximex> It is possbiel to run a "scandisk" on a ntfs partition ?? I have a partition that is corrupted and there's no way for me to perform a scan .. except under linux
[02:22] <hksdu> eruin, Really? I don't find it...
[02:22] <eruin> hksdu: it's just a wrapper to install it off a package from real.com though
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[02:22] <eruin> hksdu: then you don't have multiverse enabled :P
[02:22] <hksdu> eruin, what's category is that?
[02:22] <neighborlee> Burgundavia: LOL
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[02:23] <hksdu> eruin, o...found by searching...hehe...thanks
[02:23] <ryan251> Does anyone know how to recover a Windows Partition that was not preserved during the install process?
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[02:23] <thegreedyturtle> ryan251: did you format the entire disk?
[02:23] <Thorrn4> I cannot get it to install, it give me an error
[02:24] <disposable> where can i download .deb packages off the web? something like www.debian.org/packages/
[02:24] <Burgundavia> neighborlee, and btw, I have a bridge to sell you
[02:24] <serfurj> are backports listed on packages.ubuntu.com?
[02:24] <Burgundavia> discman, packages.debian.org but it is not recommended
[02:24] <Burgundavia> serfurj, no
[02:24] <Burgundavia> serfurj, only official repos are listed there
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[02:25] <neighborlee> Burgundavia: heheh
[02:25] <Burgundavia> serfurj, and, afaik, there is no "official" backports project yet
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[02:26] <plb> hrmm are there different repos to use to get say the latest version of gaim or fluxbox?
[02:26] <Dethread> I don't think the latest version of gaim is available
[02:26] <Dethread> in ubuntu
[02:26] <serfurj> Burgundavia: i was thinking that might be the cause of apt-get not finding abs-guide (it was a backport).  any idea why it's not being found?
[02:26] <plb> damn
[02:26] <Dethread> maybe in breezy...
[02:27] <plb> how do you upgrade to breezy anyhow?
[02:27] <Dethread> I wouldn't recommend it
[02:27] <plb> ok
[02:27] <neighborlee> plb: only on dedicated hardware...might be a fun experience heh
[02:27] <Burgundavia> serfurj, you running hoary?
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[02:27] <serfurj> Burgundavia: yeah
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[02:28] <plb> i just want the latest version of gaim and fluxbox
[02:28] <Burgundavia> serfurj, there is hoary equiv of that repo, afaik
[02:28] <Dethread> if you really really want the latest version, just get it from the official website
[02:28] <hksdu> hi, after I installed from synaptics, it asked me where did I download RealPlayer after I clicked "run configuration after installation"
[02:28] <neighborlee> plb: you'd have to likely compile is all then..
[02:28] <serfurj> Burgundavia: i've included all the sources in /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:28] <Burgundavia> plb, wait until about mid may before moving to breezy
[02:28] <plb> ya i know i could do that
[02:28] <Burgundavia> serfurj, from?
[02:28] <Dethread> plb: get deb package if available or compile from source or alien an rpm to deb
[02:28] <serfurj> Burgundavia: all the ones that are commented by default, i uncommented
[02:29] <serfurj> and then updated apt-get
[02:29] <Weems> can I install ubuntu warty livecd to my hard-drive?
[02:29] <Burgundavia> serfurj, hmm, then you should only have official stuff
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[02:29] <neighborlee> Weems: no, none of the livecd's are yet installable
[02:30] <serfurj> Burgundavia: i thought doing that would give me unofficial stuff
[02:30] <dockane> is somehting like SysRQ-Key in ubuntu available ? (just want to know for the case)
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[02:30] <Weems> I cant install using the install cd, how am I supposed to install it?
[02:30] <Dethread> weems, try hoary
[02:30] <bzbb> I'm having an apt-get problem
[02:30] <bzbb> http://www.pastebin.com/275555
[02:30] <Weems> I ordered the cd's
[02:30] <Weems> but it takes months
[02:30] <Burgundavia> serfurj, the only unofficial stuff that works in hoary is the nerim.net stuff
[02:30] <Dethread> download it
[02:31] <Weems> Dethread: I cant burn it because im on the live cd
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[02:31] <Dethread> Weems, hmm....do you have access to another PC?
[02:31] <plb> ubuntu should have an unstable repo for the bleeding edge types ;] 
[02:32] <serfurj> Burgundavia: ??  i don't want to bug you any more about trivial stuff.. will you point me to the correct documentation?
[02:32] <Dethread> plb, breezy ;)
[02:32] <plb> heh
[02:32] <plb> it has latest pkgs like firefox 1.03 newest gaim etc?
[02:32] <Dethread> plb, dunno...but I assume so...
[02:33] <Dethread> plb, you can also get really up-to-date packages from debian's sid...but I wouldn't recommend it
[02:33] <Burgundavia> serfurj, for?
[02:33] <Burgundavia> serfurj, hoary repos?
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[02:33] <Burgundavia> serfurj, www.ubuntu.com/wiki/RestrictedFormats should have a link
[02:33] <serfurj> Burgundavia: k, thanks
[02:34] <richard_> is there a way to make apt-get and dpkg ignore a packages so-called "unmet dependency" every time i try to do something? i hate being bothered about something that is irrelevant every time i try and install something
[02:34] <owlmanatt> Say, just out of curiosity, is there a fullblown GUI for the installer planned?
[02:34] <eruin> breezy is pretty much just hoary with newer packages atm
[02:34] <eruin> owlmanatt: yes
[02:34] <digitalfox> owlmanatt, I was wondering the same
[02:35] <digitalfox> what installer do they plan on using?
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[02:35] <eruin> same as now: d-i, they're still debating what's the best way of introducing the GUI frontend though
[02:35] <owlmanatt> The only reason I'd be reluctant to give an Ubuntu CD to a newbie is that they might be intimidated by the curses-based installer.
[02:35] <eruin> it's slated for the next release
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[02:35] <owlmanatt> So I can't wait for that =D
[02:35] <owlmanatt> Excellent!
[02:36] <nekohayo> none dares helping me troubleshoot that voodoo2? (sorry if I'm double posting, don't know if my message got out because of my unstable connection)
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[02:36] <GammaRay> owlmanatt: well don't give windows to them either becasue a chunk of it's install is just like curses
[02:36] <eruin> owlmanatt: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BreezyBadger <-- nice place to keep up with these things
[02:37] <owlmanatt> GammaRay: Not when you buy from Dell. Those restore disks...hm.
[02:37] <GammaRay> owlmanatt: well maybe they should stick to buring installed versions of ubuntu (-;
[02:37] <GammaRay> s/buring/buying
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[02:38] <limer> I just plugged in an old ms sidewinder, what do I need to do to have ubuntu detect it?
[02:39] <limer> uses MIDI/Joy port
[02:39] <richard_> make sure it is on in the kernel
[02:39] <richard_> im not sure if all of the legacy ports are compiled in
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[02:39] <serfurj> do seasoned ubuntu users really use sudo for everything?
[02:39] <limer> richard_: how do I do this?
[02:39] <serfurj> the first thing i did was create my root account so i could log in as root.
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[02:39] <digitalfox> will it also have a framebuffer splash by default?
[02:39] <GammaRay> serfurj: I do
[02:40] <eruin> digitalfox: hopefully
[02:40] <lsuactiafner> serfurj : i run in console, most of em loged in as root
[02:40] <digitalfox> yay.
[02:40] <eruin> digitalfox: medium priority according to the wiki
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[02:40] <digitalfox> Ubuntu is easy to use for me so far... but I think it still needs some polish like that
[02:40] <lsuactiafner> and ive broken serveral things since i'm used to slackware, but nothing i couldnt fix
[02:40] <GammaRay> serfurj: and logging in as root is disabled on a any good distro anyways
[02:40] <eruin> digitalfox: while gui installer is high
[02:40] <PacoBCN> can't wait to see the shipped cds :)
[02:40] <owlmanatt> GammaRay: I don't know of any vendors that sell Ubuntu pre-installed...?
[02:41] <knoppix> How does one recreate an existing ext3 file system's journal?
[02:41] <serfurj> GammaRay: disabled?  do you mean creating an X session as root?
[02:41] <digitalfox> GUI installer is something I noticed definitely lacking
[02:41] <GammaRay> owlmanatt: that's why I was winking
[02:41] <owlmanatt> Ah.
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[02:41] <GammaRay> serfurj: I mean the gui login screen and the VTs both disallow logging in a root..
[02:41] <eruin> digitalfox: atleast to make converting windows drones easier ;)
[02:42] <eruin> the ubuntu installer as-is is probably the best installer I've tried
[02:42] <serfurj> GammaRay: ubuntu is the first distro i've come across that went out of it's way to keep people from logging into a VT as root
[02:42] <lsuactiafner> eruin : seen slackware?
[02:42] <eruin> not in aesthetic terms, but in usability terms
[02:42] <eruin> lsuactiafner: no, should I?
[02:42] <richard_> eruin: kills, i mean annihilates anaconda, just because it is easy
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[02:42] <richard_> its a debian installer automated really
[02:42] <lsuactiafner> eruin : yeh, the slackware install shows that its been 10 years in the making
[02:43] <lsuactiafner> simple, predictable and consistant
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[02:43] <lsuactiafner> wb carlos
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[02:44] <carlos> hi
[02:44] <lsuactiafner> ok night ppl
[02:44] <nekohayo> gnight
[02:45] <serfurj> does anybody think debian has acquired too much baggage over the years?
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[02:45] <Dethread> debian hasn't acquired anything
[02:45] <Dethread> it needs to release more often
[02:45] <Dethread> :)
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[02:46] <XplOzIon> Anyone can tell me how to fix the amsn? it crashes a lot :(
[02:46] <richard_> i think #debian hates ubuntu and its users, although it is the samething preconfigured and without debian's "policy"
[02:47] <serfurj> just reading the debian intro/installation docs, i thought all the preamble was strange
[02:47] <digitalfox> "policy"?
[02:47] <serfurj> digitalfox: tradition is the word
[02:48] <richard_> digitalfox: the think that screams at you on debian.org's index.html
[02:48] <Burgundavia> richard_, not to saying anything rude, but #debian has a we piece of a history/reputation
[02:48] <richard_> for sure
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[02:48] <joshua> Are there any p2p programs in the main warty repo or at least universe?
[02:48] <richard_> but sarge has been out FOREVER
[02:48] <nomasteryoda> joshua: like bittorrent?
[02:48] <richard_> i think they really really like tradition a lot
[02:48] <GammaRay> joshua: tyr amule and gtk-gnutella
[02:48] <joshua> nomasteryoda:  I was thinking more like a traditional p2p sort of thing.   GammaRay:  Thanks.
[02:49] <joshua> Bit torrent is great for some things but not for others
[02:49] <nomasteryoda> k
[02:49] <digitalfox> gtk-gnutella is nice
[02:49] <] Brelic[> joshua, giftoxic is good for Kazaa-like stuff, even better actually
[02:49] <digitalfox> I also like pyslsk... dunno if that's in the repositories though
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[02:50] <] Brelic[> it has the OpenFT and Gnutella networks, plus download the FastTrack one from SF and add it to the giFT config file
[02:50] <benkong2> got my video resolution straight
[02:50] <joshua> Brelic:  Cool.  I just installed it.
[02:51] <GammaRay> giFT is a little to generic to be useful imho
[02:51] <benkong2> who can tell me what  "Failed to run /usr/bin/update-manager: Child terminated with 1 status" means tried update-manager
[02:51] <joshua> gotta restart this terminal.  It's freekin out for some reason
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[02:52] <IIIEars> Dunno - but i think a lot of the debian programmers learned to program operating systems when the there were dozens of versions of a "standard" operating system CPM - nothing was interchangeable or standard for them tradition means no conflicting standards
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[02:52] <serfurj> commented multiverse sources should be in /etc/apt/sources.list by default
[02:53] <] Brelic[> GammaRay, what does that mean?
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[02:54] <benkong2> any thoughts?? who can tell me what  "Failed to run /usr/bin/update-manager: Child terminated with 1 status" means tried update-manager
[02:54] <gijosh> I installed giftoxic, but when I launched it, I got an error message that said gifd could not be launched because the file or directory could not be found, and then it exited out.
[02:55] <GammaRay> ] Brelic[: it has none of the special features of gtk-gnutella like filtering
[02:55] <IIIEars> Is it easy to add a new single repository? - Is there anything interesting you can change in advanced settings?
[02:55] <kc_notathome> hello, i'm downloading the live CD version of ubuntu linux. i have a laptop with a bad hard drive. a new one is in the mail though, but i want to be able to use the machine before then
[02:55] <kc_notathome> i dont need an HDD in there for the live cd to work right?
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[02:55] <yfir> benkong2, it means you are trying to a prog that needs root privledges and don't have them
[02:55] <dr_willis> no hd needed. :P
[02:55] <king_crimson> cool :))
[02:55] <dr_willis> a usb thumbdrive or similer can be handy
[02:55] <yfir> benkong2: either you mistyped your password or something isn't set up right
[02:56] <king_crimson> thanks... does it work with wireless cards?
[02:56] <benkong2> yfir, when I run it the first thing it does is ask for root password
[02:56] <abbot45> can someone please help me sort out my sound.  its not working.
[02:56] <IIIEars> kc_, - you may want to read the info listed in the f1-f4 keys to adjust powermanagement. apm= etc
[02:56] <benkong2> yfir,  left me try to terminal and run the same command....brb
[02:56] <king_crimson> i'll look at it, IIIEars
[02:56] <bzbb> I have broken package, and apt-get -f install isn't fixing it
[02:56] <yfir> benkong2: wait, run it with gksudo
[02:57] <benkong2> yfir, gksudo??
[02:57] <king_crimson> does it support a tellus C130 wifi PCMCIA lan card? or do i have to install something like ndiswrapper?
[02:57] <IIIEars> kc_ no, you can run it entirely from memory and unlike knoppix there is a good chance it will boot without any tweaks.
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[02:57] <king_crimson> cool yes i tried knoppix, it was okay....
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[02:57] <gijosh> I installed giftoxic via sudo apt-get install giftoxic, it installed.  But when I launched it, I got the error "giftd could not be started because file or directory does not exist"  What might've happend?
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[02:57] <king_crimson> im hoping this is better
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[02:58] <Dethread> does the hoary live cd have a tool for ntfs partition resizing?
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[02:58] <bzbb> kdelibs-data is failing to install because of a file in knetworkconf
[02:58] <] Brelic[> gijosh, you have to run the gift-install first
[02:59] <gijosh> Hrm, k
[02:59] <] Brelic[> i think that's what it's called if i remember correctly
[02:59] <king_crimson> does the live cd come with a built-in NDIS windows driver wrapper? i need to use a wifi lan card that i can't find linux drivers for
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[02:59] <king_crimson> knoppix did
[02:59] <IIIEars> huh? "gift-install"?
[03:00] <] Brelic[> gift will not run until you edit the config file and chage the first value to anything other than 0... running 'gift-install' will help you through that process
[03:00] <] Brelic[> if not gift-install, what is it called then?
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[03:00] <cens0red> I think it's gift-setup
[03:00] <gijosh> Brelic: apparently it isn't gift-install.  Or at least it's not anywhere that my path variable searches. :/
[03:00] <] Brelic[> ahh yes
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[03:00] <gijosh> cens0red: Thanks
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[03:00] <] Brelic[> gift-setup
[03:00] <IIIEars> king crimson - i have seen a few posts here on trouble with wifi cards - they can be made to work.
[03:01] <king_crimson> thanks, i'll see how it goes and might come back for help if i cant get my card working
[03:01] <king_crimson> thanks! cya
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[03:01] <Riddell> bzbb: remove knetworkconf (or install kdelibs-data .deb with --force-overwrites
[03:01] <IIIEars> Happy surfing!
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[03:01] <benkong2> yfir, thanks figured it out had to add my no root user to the sudo file
[03:01] <mlambie> mlambie_UDU
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[03:02] <gijosh> I just have giftoxic and giftopnm in my /usr/bin dir.  Nothing else related to gift did I find there.
[03:02] <mlambie_UDU> ;)
[03:02] <indigirl1> yea for ubuntu
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[03:02] <mlambie_UDU> yeah indeed
[03:02] <benkong2> is ubuntu system updater an apt-get front end?
[03:02] <] Brelic[> gijosh, if you type 'gift-setup' in the console, nothing happens?
[03:03] <gijosh> Nope.
[03:03] <gijosh> Just tells me it doesn't exist
[03:03] <] Brelic[> look in /usr/share/giFT, if i remember correctly (sorry, it's on the laptop, not this machine)
[03:03] <] Brelic[> maybe the config file in there will help you
[03:03] <gijosh> K.
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[03:04] <dcraven> gijosh: is the gift package even installed?
[03:04] <] Brelic[> dcraven, if you install giftoxic i think it installs it
[03:04] <efb_> hi. i want to install w32codecs plugins for totem. This page "http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingCodecsToTotemHowTo" tells how to add it to my user. Is there any way to do it globally, to all users?
[03:05] <gijosh> dcraven:  Yea, I installed it via apt-get
[03:05] <timello> how can I fix the cedilla for letter c using acute + c?
[03:05] <dcraven> ] Brelic[: giftd is only recommended.
[03:05] <] Brelic[> ahh
[03:05] <gijosh> dcraven:  The app keeps exiting because it doesn't have it.
[03:06] <] Brelic[> actually, if you type 'giftd' i think it tells you which setup file to run
[03:06] <timello> I edited /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/locale/en_US.UTF-8/Compose, but not works, idea?
[03:06] <dcraven> gijosh: apt-get install giftd
[03:06] <gijosh> dcraven:  Thanks.
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[03:06] <gijosh> giftd has no installation candidate
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[03:07] <gijosh> It sais that it's referd to by another package but isn't there in the error message
[03:07] <IIIEars> file sharing apps are a bullet through the heart of a windows install - not likely linux will hold up that much better to targeted malware
[03:07] <dcraven> gijosh: well that is very interesting.
[03:07] <bob2> IIIEars: yes it will, since people won't run random trojaned crap
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[03:07] <gijosh> Yea.  Bah, I gotta run too.  Thanks for the help. Hopefully I'll get this thing working. :)
[03:07] <tjs> is there a new ubuntu unstable archive now that hoary is released?
[03:08] <IIIEars> let me know how it works out. - weak grin
[03:08] <dr_willis> and even if they do.. Hopefully the user/root  design will keep the apps from doing too much.
[03:08] <dcraven> tjs: yeah but I don't recommend it.
[03:08] <bob2> tjs: breezy, but it;s not ready for normal users yet
[03:08] <tjs> whys that?
[03:08] <tjs> ah
[03:08] <dr_willis> Been useing wine to install  spyware - to see what its been doing  :P
[03:08] <dcraven> tjs: pretty unstable.
[03:09] <IIIEars> dr_willis is a masochist. - rofl
[03:09] <bob2> dr_willis: compromising a user account lets you do lots of bad stuff.  like send out spam and DOS other machines
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[03:09] <Nalioth> tjs i believe it's called breezy, if your brave of heart
[03:09] <dr_willis> IIIEars,  yea. but i can just delete the .wine/fakewindows dir to clean it out. :P
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[03:10] <IIIEars> I know what your saying. - (linux user for 96 hours)
[03:10] <dcraven> I'm gonna write spyware that is designed to work specifically when run in wine.
[03:10] <IIIEars> a "sandbox"
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[03:11] <geppy> Are there any GTK/GNOME alternatives to kruler?
[03:11] <geppy> I need a screen ruler.
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[03:12] <IIIEars> dcraven - hm - wish i had the link from techrepublic describing how applications can detect virtual machines. something about error codes used as a channel to communicate with the wrapper app.
[03:12] <geppy> Hmmm, 'gruler', though it's not in any of the repositories.
[03:12] <dcraven> geppy: you could try http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=466
[03:12] <geppy> dcraven: Thank you.
[03:12] <dcraven> geppy: np
[03:13] <dcraven> IIIEars: my app wouldn't mind though, in fact, it would love it!
[03:13] <IIIEars> it even included a sample script
[03:14] <geppy> How about a GNOME alternative to Ksnapshot?  It can take a snapshot of the screen, a window, or a user-drawn region and save it to disc.
[03:15] <dcraven> geppy: the gnome version does screen/window, but not user-drawn. I forget what I've used for that.
[03:15] <geppy> dcraven: hmmm...
[03:15] <IIIEars> gepp, - If you progam it i'll dwnload it. - grin
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[03:15] <dcraven> geppy: printscreen for screen, alt-printscreen for window.
[03:15] <geppy> IIIEars: haha =)
[03:15] <limer> what can I use for 7z support?
[03:16] <geppy> dcraven: Thank you.
[03:16] <IIIEars> "7 zip"
[03:16] <dcraven> geppy: np
[03:16] <IIIEars> it works pretty well small files the interface is clunky.
[03:17] <Nalioth> limer, 7zip.sourceforge.net i believe
[03:17] <limer> yes, I know the site.  I didn't realize they released a linux cli version
[03:17] <limer> thx
[03:18] <IIIEars> there is a Redmond OS vers. also.
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[03:18] <bob2> it's in Debian experimental, for some reason
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[03:20] <limer> I like 7zip in "redmond" os
[03:20] <babylon> i can't get sound watching divx on mplayer what's the matter
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[03:21] <geppy> babylon: DivX is not a sound codec.
[03:21] <geppy> babylon: Try to find out what sound codec the file uses.
[03:21] <Nalioth> 7zip is nice in the midst of the horror that is
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[03:21] <PacoBCN> Very strange. I checked out Gnomabaker's site and it says it will be possible in the future to burn on the fly but I already can with the 0.3 version
[03:21] <PacoBCN> :S
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[03:22] <heatxsink> re?
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[03:22] <dcraven> ?er
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[03:22] <goldfish> lol
[03:22] <heatxsink> dcraven:  hehe
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[03:23] <heatxsink> hi guys, anyone know why my iPod doesn't work over firewire?  Is it the kernel?  I've done the usual modprobe ieee1394; modprobe sbp2;
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[03:23] <xentoo> Has anyone gotten external moniter to work with a ibook?
[03:23] <heatxsink> i'm running hoary
[03:24] <xentoo> ipod mount seems to always need root prev.
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[03:25] <heatxsink> xentoo:  did it in a root term
[03:25] <babylon> sound poblem is from mplayer  i think
[03:26] <xentoo> heat do you have pc or mac ipod?
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[03:26] <heatxsink> pc
[03:26] <xentoo> So your problem is just mounting the firewire drive?
[03:26] <heatxsink> I failed to mention that I had it working in slackware, cause I compiled my own kernel and all of that stuff, so I know it works...
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[03:26] <transgress> brb changing wm's
[03:26] <babylon> the error msg from mplayer is "couldn't initialize sound device'
[03:27] <heatxsink> xentoo: from what I can tell, it doesn't even see the ipod
[03:27] <heatxsink> I've looked in the logs and everything
[03:27] <nomasteryoda> heatxsink, is it an ipod or ipod shuffle
[03:27] <heatxsink> regular iPod
[03:27] <heatxsink> I have a shuffle that works fine over USB
[03:27] <nomasteryoda> huh, that should work
[03:28] <heatxsink> i really don't get it
[03:28] <nomasteryoda> heatxsink, my shuffle is seen, mounted
[03:28] <heatxsink> ya but that's over USB
[03:28] <heatxsink> my iPod is over firewire
[03:28] <nomasteryoda> but gtkpod will not setup the database right
[03:28] <nomasteryoda> so mine won't play anything
[03:28] <nomasteryoda> =(
[03:28] <heatxsink> I can't even see my iPod as a flippin'  drive
[03:28] <nomasteryoda> so i have to put it into a windows box for itunes
[03:29] <heatxsink> nomasteryoda:  there's a utility that allows you to just run this python script on a list of directories on the shuffle
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[03:29] <nomasteryoda> heatxsink, maybe the fat32 partitions have some kind of error
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[03:29] <nomasteryoda> heatxsink, yea
[03:29] <nomasteryoda> i saw that
[03:29] <heatxsink> did you try it out?
[03:29] <nomasteryoda> well, gtkpod shows me my stuff
[03:29] <heatxsink> you first have to initialize the blasted thing
[03:29] <nomasteryoda> not a prob
[03:29] <heatxsink> what version of gtkpod do you have?
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[03:29] <nomasteryoda> but when i sync it, it hoses the pod
[03:30] <nomasteryoda> forcing a reset using itunes
[03:30] <IIIEars> ouch!
[03:30] <heatxsink> nomasteryoda:  I think you have the wrong version of gtkpod
[03:30] <nomasteryoda> ah, maybe
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[03:30] <nomasteryoda> but i am impressed with how Ubuntu just mounts drives and pops link onto deskop
[03:30] <nomasteryoda> very slick and fast
[03:31] <fangorious> anyone know how to get grub to show the splashimage during the "press escape to show menu" countdown?
[03:31] <nomasteryoda> going to reboot and do a network install of suse 9.3 on this box...
[03:31] <nomasteryoda> nite all
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[03:31] <Sphearion> can I apt-get php5
[03:31] <Sphearion> and mysql
[03:31] <smouche> nomasteryoda -- mine isn't doing that - it used to!  don't know what got changed, or how to fix it..
[03:31] <IIIEars> Ubuntu is great!
[03:31] <xentoo> I use gtkpod on my ipod all the time but now cannot use itunes because of the files that gtkpod needs to put on the pod
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[03:32] <AvvY> itunes is shite anyway
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[03:32] <xentoo> lol
[03:32] <fangorious> AvvY, personal preference
[03:32] <AvvY> fangorious: you are right
[03:33] <xentoo> heatxsink can you mount any fat32 partion?
[03:33] <heatxsink> of course
[03:33] <heatxsink> I can mount my shuffle just fine
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[03:36] <hksdu> hi, after I installed the realplayer installer from Universe, what do I do?
[03:36] <richard_> run a rm file :P
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[03:36] <richard_> or run realplayer
[03:36] <hksdu> richard_, it doesn't run
[03:36] <AvvY> ll
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[03:37] <Ironfrost> hi - a question about mounting USB disks
[03:37] <Ironfrost> I have a USB memory stick that doesn't appear as a drive when I plug it in
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[03:37] <Ironfrost> it works on Windows (2k, XP) and MacOS X so it's not a problem with the disk
[03:37] <heatxsink> hrmm..
[03:38] <elcu> hksdu: have you installed the w32codecs?
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[03:38] <Ironfrost> and the memory stick in my camera works so it's not a problem with USB storage devices in general
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[03:38] <Ironfrost> It appears in the Device Manager too
[03:39] <hksdu> elcu: the help file told me that I still need to download the real player myself even I have installed the installer.
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[03:39] <bzbb> I have a broken package I can't fix
[03:39] <imaek> welcom to the internet bzbb
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[03:39] <bzbb> imaek, what's that got to do with it?\
[03:40] <imaek> i dont knwo but i figured
[03:40] <Cine> greetings all... I need a little help getting my HP all-in-one scanner to work with sane...
[03:40] <imaek> you'd like to be welcomed to the internet
[03:40] <elcu> hksdu: http://ubuntuguide.org/#realplayer
[03:40] <Ironfrost> as USB Mass Storage Interface/SCSI Host Interface/SCSI Device/USB Flash Drive (that's the hierachy)
[03:40] <bzbb> imaek, been online for years
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[03:40] <imaek> well weclome back
[03:40] <hksdu> elcu: thx
[03:40] <bzbb> than kyou
[03:40] <bzbb> now, to fix kdelibs-data
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[03:41] <ShadowRage> totem refuses to play dvd's
[03:41] <ShadowRage> dvds*
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[03:42] <AvvY> u need the dvd codecs
[03:42] <ShadowRage> how do I get those?
[03:42] <elcu> ShadowRage: http://ubuntuguide.org/#dvdplayback
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[03:42] <AvvY> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#dvdplayback
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[03:42] <AvvY> yeah, lol
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[03:42] <ShadowRage> also, how do I import my sylpheed mail to evolution?
[03:42] <elcu> ShadowRage: also, use totem-xine rather than totem-gstreamer
[03:42] <backtoheaven> AvvY, sorry, but what's mean "lol" ? :-)
[03:43] <AvvY> lol =laugh out loud
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[03:43] <backtoheaven> ah. thanks
[03:43] <ShadowRage> also, how do I import my sylpheed mail to evolution?
[03:44] <ShadowRage> I try installing xine-totem, but it says it's gonna remove ubuntu-desktop
[03:44] <ApesMa> Has anyone gotten Samsung's driver for the CLP-510N to install? It prompts for a root password, and by default on Ubuntu there isn't one. I did "sudo passwd" and gave root a password, which plain "su" seems to indicate works, but the Samsung driver install is still not happy.
[03:45] <elcu> ShadowRage: Removing ubuntu-desktop: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24581&highlight=gaim+ubuntu-desktop
[03:45] <ApesMa> Oops. First part of msg was chopped. Effectively, it was--has anyone installed Samsung CLP-501N driver on Ubuntu--it wants root password.
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[03:46] <IIIEars> ApesMa - would CTRL+ALT+F2 to root console passwd your password make a difference? F& will get you back
[03:46] <mainer> apesma: sudo su
[03:46] <IIIEars> er CTRL+ALT+F7
[03:46] <Cine> can anyone tell me if there is something I need to do to get my HP PSC1315 scanner to work with SANE?
[03:46] <ApesMa> IIIEars: Don't know; will try.
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[03:46] <IIIEars> sudo su? - really hm haven't tried that yet.
[03:46] <ApesMa> mainer: will try that.
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[03:47] <eskaypey> does ubuntu have fluxbox package?
[03:47] <elcu> yes
[03:47] <IIIEars> << confirmed linux user (96 hours - lol)
[03:47] <eskaypey> tryed apt-cache search fluxbox nothing showed up
[03:48] <xentoo> I am running fluxbox now
[03:48] <elcu> update your sources
[03:48] <indigirl1> fluxbox is probably in another area, like universe or multiverse that needs to be added to your sources
[03:48] <elcu> eskaypey: http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[03:49] <ShadowRage> oh, how come in synaptic fm the latest gaim is a 1.0 release?
[03:49] <elcu> IIIEars: how are you finding ubuntu?
[03:49] <ShadowRage> fm = pm
[03:49] <IIIEars> It is the best thing since sliced bread
[03:50] <yfir> well... sliced bread is pretty convenient...
[03:50] <IIIEars> i have briefly tried every linux vers since 7.2
[03:50] <eskaypey> right .. i'll just add universe to my sources
[03:50] <IIIEars> making anything work used to mean a lot of work (and reading)
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[03:51] <elcu> What do these lines do anyway:
[03:51] <elcu> gpg --keyserver wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net --recv-keys 1F41B907
[03:51] <elcu> gpg --armor --export 1F41B907 | sudo apt-key add -
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[03:51] <IIIEars> i honestly am not that interested in building a system from scratch - i do like tweaking an already running system to be more useful
[03:52] <Striss> I just hooked up a new Monitor that supports much higher resolutions than my last monitor....how do I get Ubuntu to do my video setup again?
[03:52] <xentoo> anyone with ubuntu on a ppc?
[03:53] <Striss> xentoo me
[03:53] <IIIEars> torsmo - was a fun little tweak - linux is addictive
[03:53] <elcu> Striss: easy way: just edit /etc/x11/xorg.conf and add the higher resolutions
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[03:53] <elcu> Striss: make sure you backup 1st
[03:53] <yfir> elcu: first line downloads public key no. 1F41B907 and the second exports it for other progs to use etc.
[03:53] <elcu> the xorg.conf file that is
[03:53] <hksdu> do I need to put that w32codecs thingy in the codec folder in realplayer?
[03:54] <elcu> yfir: Why doesn't Warty do this?
[03:54] <xentoo> striss: laptop or desktop
[03:54] <elcu> yfir: According to it's ubuntuguide
[03:54] <yfir> elcu: would be nice, but i guess nobody got around to automating it for Warty
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[03:54] <Cine> anyone had any experience with HP scanners and SANE?  I'm having trouble getting mine to work...
[03:55] <elcu> yfir: What is the actual point of doing those two lines?
[03:55] <yfir> IIIEars: if you like torsmo you might like root-tail too. but beware, it doesn't work well if you use nautilus
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[03:55] <goldfish> root-tail is sweet
[03:55] <yfir> elcu: you do that so that your system can verify that the repositories it is downloading packages from are actually the repositories they say they are
[03:55] <goldfish> as is torsmo
[03:55] <IIIEars> root-tail?, hmmm... (grin)
[03:55] <IIIEars> brb
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[03:55] <elcu> yfir: ah
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[03:56] <goldfish> IIIEars: www.redbrick.dcu.ie/~goldfish/Screenshot-3.png
[03:56] <goldfish> IIIEars: top left corner == root-tail
[03:56] <IIIEars> Ah, Thank You.
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[03:56] <goldfish> multiple tailing of files, and u can send it to your desktop
[03:56] <goldfish> it's handy
[03:56] <yfir> IIIEars: root-tail is essentially a log viewer on your root window (desktop backgroun)
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[03:56] <AvvY> ahhh! i need some help. i accidently removed the GAIM incon on the top bar in GNOME, and i cant figure out how to get it back
[03:57] <elcu> Cine: have you checked the usual suspects? ubuntuforums, google?
[03:57] <xentoo> anyone tried hook up a external monitor to a ibook (ppc)
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[03:58] <DR_K13> hi chaps
[03:58] <Cine> elcu: unfortunately I'm so new to Linux that most of the time the stuff that has been written doesn't help me much cuz I dunno what they are talking about...  I could try the Ubuntu forums though...
[03:58] <xMaximex> goldfish, is that ubuntu ? on your screenshot
[03:58] <elcu> Cine: you should, they are quite good
[03:58] <goldfish> xMaximex: yep
[03:58] <goldfish> running hoary
[03:59] <xMaximex> goldfish, what is the wm ?
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[03:59] <brian_> my xorg.conf Screen section has only 1024x768 as a res but X runs only in 800x600 and the system > preferences > Screen Resolution tool only has 800x600
[03:59] <IIIEars> linuxquestions.org and computerhope.com are good (heh - i know what you mean)
[03:59] <AvvY> does anyone know how to get the GAIM icon back on the top bar with GNOME?
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[04:00] <transgress> AvvY: right click... add application launcher
[04:00] <goldfish> xMaximex: emm, whatever xfce uses :)
[04:00] <elcu> brian_: is 1024x768 "first" in the list?
[04:00] <elcu> i.e. the most left
[04:00] <brian_> 1024 is not in the list
[04:00] <javad> hey
[04:00] <javad> can anyone help me, pl\ease?
[04:00] <AvvY> transgress: i did that, but that icon just launches GAIM multiple times. i want it so when i close GAIM i can just click the icon and it will just pop up again but its not reloading the app
[04:00] <IIIEars> How do i change/add an app. to the drop down application menu?
[04:01] <elcu> brian_: what?
[04:01] <dantheman> javad: no one can help you if you don't ask a question
[04:01] <javad> touche
[04:01] <elcu> brian_: if it's not there, you have to add it
[04:01] <xentoo> goldfish: is that a console on/in  your desktop?
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[04:01] <javad> ok, ya seee... i got this laptop, a dell latitude c610
[04:01] <IIIEars> is that hard to do?
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[04:01] <javad> and, the mouse moves to the left all the way sometimes
[04:01] <brian_> elcu, it is there in the xorg.conf.. only res.  but the desktop utility only has 640 and 800
[04:01] <NigelS> AvvY: sounds like your notification area has gone? right click and add a notifcation area, for the gaim icon, closing gaim will then leave gaim running, with an icon in that notification area
[04:01] <javad> and it stops sometimes
[04:02] <javad> any help?
[04:02] <goldfish> xentoo: Where abouts?
[04:02] <javad> is there a way i can disable my touch stick?
[04:02] <elcu> brian_: try doing a ctrl + alt + "+"(on the num pad)
[04:02] <abbot45> Avvy, go in your preferences inside of gaim.  the option to turn on the notification area icon is in there.
[04:02] <brian_> elcu, I did
[04:02] <AvvY> nigelS: that fixed it! thanx!
[04:02] <brian_> elcu, it is a laptop
[04:02] <goldfish> xentoo: I have 3 terminals on it in that screenshot.
[04:03] <goldfish> xentoo: and root-tail and torsmo are running also.
[04:03] <elcu> brian_: post the screen section of your xorg.conf in #flood
[04:03] <abbot45> can sombody help me get my sound working?
[04:03] <javad> anyone?
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[04:03] <AvvY> abbot45: yeah i tried that but it wouldnt god damn work :( - but its all sorted now, thanx
[04:03] <IIIEars> CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE will bring you to a console. startx will give you a fresh xwindow when you ave altered the xorg.conf
[04:03] <xentoo> Ahhh
[04:03] <abbot45> ;)
[04:03] <NigelS> AvvY: cool :)
[04:03] <javad> hello?
[04:03] <PHPWannabe> Are there any good WYSIWYG editiors like Dreamweaver for Linux?
[04:04] <AvvY> PHPWannabe: NVu
[04:04] <PHPWannabe> Wine won't work with Dreamweaver MX 2004 so I can't really use it
[04:04] <javad> does anyone know how to disable the touchstick in linux for laptops
[04:04] <Ironfrost> OK, I have written my problem up better and posted it on the forum: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=146823#post146823
[04:04] <goldfish> javad: maybe in the bios?
[04:04] <NigelS> IIIEars: ctrl-alt-backspace is really not the preferred way to take down an x server :P just log out, and x restarts via gdm/kdm
[04:04] <yfir> PHPWannabe: there are some, but nothing that compares with Dreamweaver
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[04:04] <IIIEars> gedit will give you a familiar looking "notepad" when you have an XWindow.
[04:04] <Ironfrost> would it be possible for people to have a quick read of that and maybe try to give some advice?
[04:04] <Ironfrost> thanks in advance
[04:04] <brian_> elcu, you see it?
[04:04] <AvvY> PHPWannabe: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#nvu
[04:05] <javad> no, i cant fix it in the bios
[04:05] <brian_> elcu, that is exactly as the install set it up
[04:05] <javad> my bios doesnt even let me edit anyhting
[04:05] <alyks> I can't get ogle to install with apt-get, I type in: sudo apt-get source ogle
[04:05] <kanuha> PHPWannabe: you can use Dreamweaver with crossover office
[04:05] <alyks> but it doesn't work
[04:05] <abbot45> javid: mine turns off automaticly when i have a mouse plugged in, but thats probably not gonna help ya :-/
[04:05] <IIIEars> gdm/kdm -erm (sheepish grin) okay.
[04:05] <elcu> brian_: yes.  do you have a graphics card?
[04:05] <alyks> it says it can't find the source package
[04:05] <PacoBCN> Dreamweaver is a code killer...
[04:05] <indigirl1> javad: a touchpad?
[04:05] <brian_> elcu, you want to see the graphics card section?
[04:05] <PHPWannabe> kanuha: doesn't crossover office cost $?
[04:05] <kanuha> PHPWannabe: yes
[04:06] <PHPWannabe> bleh
[04:06] <elcu> brian_: i was wondering if you might have to install the drivers for it.  but it seems you have integrated video
[04:06] <kanuha> PHPWannabe: I see your point
[04:06] <abbot45> he is probably talking about the eraser looking mouse sticks they put between G&H
[04:06] <brian_> elcu, yes
[04:06] <brian_> elcu, its a pII 300mhz
[04:06] <goldfish> javad: you could try putting your laptop model into a search on ubuntuforums.org, might show up something...
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[04:06] <indigirl1> javad: to unuse a touchpad look in your xorgconfig file (synaptics line). maybe something similar for a touch'stick'
[04:07] <Quinn_Storm> does anyone know if/when breezy's "ubuntu-desktop" is going to install cleanly? right now evolution won't install...there's a bad dependancy somewhere in the libs for it
[04:07] <alyks> help?
[04:07] <goldfish> alyks: Have you added the extra repoitories?
[04:08] <goldfish> alyks: to sources.list ?
[04:08] <alyks> I'm a newbew, don't know how to
[04:08] <alyks> *newbe
[04:08] <goldfish> ok, no problem.
[04:08] <elcu> brian_: You need to set your refresh rate values:  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=29514&highlight=resolution
[04:08] <elcu> brian_: copy his
[04:08] <goldfish> alyks: Follow the instruction on add repos at ubuntuguide.org
[04:08] <goldfish> alyks: And you should be sorted
[04:08] <brian_> elcu, thank you so much!
[04:08] <alyks> thanks
[04:08] <DR_K13> any one try breezy on a laptop yet?
[04:08] <elcu> brian_: thank me when it works
[04:09] <elcu> :)
[04:09] <NigelS> Quinn_Storm: it's a case of it's fixed when it's fixed I imagine. You can always work around it with dpkg
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[04:10] <Quinn_Storm> NigelS: its not a big deal, just wondering, guess I'll just go back to waiting.  I don't have any personal use for evolution, I just like things to run neatly
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[04:10] <Cine> there is no root passwd in UBUNTU by default, correct?
[04:10] <yfir> correct
[04:10] <benkong2> how do I get an hdparm command to run at boot each time
[04:11] <Cine> hmm...
[04:11] <Quinn_Storm> benkong2: /etc/hdparm.conf I think
[04:11] <benkong2> mine has a root password
[04:11] <benkong2> Quinn_Storm, thanks I'll check
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[04:12] <eskaypey> how do i make fluxbox to load when i start x and not gnome?
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[04:12] <goldfish> eskaypey: Have you installed fluxbox?
[04:12] <indigirl1> eskaypey: echo 'exec fluxbox' >> ~/.xinitrc
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[04:14] <indigirl1> cine: if you want a root passwd, i think it's #sudo opensesame
[04:14] <PHPWannabe> Is there a way to make KVim remember which syntax highlighting I want everytime I open it?  I want to set it to the PHP4 syntax highlighting
[04:14] <imaek> lmao PHPWannabe
[04:14] <imaek> gr8 name.
[04:14] <PHPWannabe> imaek: thanks :)
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[04:15] <indigirl1> phpwannabe: maybe put the command into ~/.kvimrc
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[04:17] <Marble2> how do I check the ram usage of a certain app?
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[04:17] <^thehatsrule^> Marble2, top ?
[04:17] <indigirl1> marble2: top
[04:17] <PHPWannabe> indigirl1: umm, I can't find that file in my home directory
[04:17] <Marble2> besides top..
[04:17] <indigirl1> phpwannabe: echo 'my command' >> ~/.kvimrc
[04:17] <yfir> PHPWannabe: you have to make one yourself. there should be an example somewhere
[04:18] <Comanche> i am interested in making the switch to ubuntu. What are the beneifts of Ubuntu over Fedora for a total Linux newbie?
[04:18] <^thehatsrule^> Comanche, er, this chan? :P
[04:18] <indigirl1> comanche: fedora install didn't work on my puter
[04:18] <elcu> Comanche: technichally you aren't a linux noob if you've used fedora.
[04:18] <PHPWannabe> oh.  Well I'm pretty new to this concept if you hadn't noticed...what would I put in the file?
[04:19] <Comanche> i installed fedora, but only logged into it 6 times, and I never did anything with it
[04:20] <Comanche> Someone recommended i try Ubuntu, because it is meant for noobs like me
[04:20] <indigirl1> comanche: ubuntu is based on debian, so you get all the great package handling that is in debian (apt-get, apt-cache search, apt-cache show). not sure how that is in fedora.
[04:20] <Nalioth> Comanche, one acronym: RPM
[04:21] <^thehatsrule^> heh
[04:21] <Comanche> don't know, all i did with fedora was update the darn thing, never did anything advanced with it
[04:21] <yfir> PHPWannabe: ~/.kvimrc. that means /home/PHPWannabe/.kvimrc
[04:21] <elcu> Comanche: then maybe linux isn't for you.  ubuntu install comes with less packages.
[04:21] <indigirl1> yfir: i think he wants us to tell him the vim command for syntax highlighting
[04:21] <yfir> oh sorry
[04:21] <Nalioth> Comanche, that is good, cuz as soon as u want to do something advanced, RPM would kick you in the nu*s
[04:21] <yfir> hehe
[04:21] <PHPWannabe> yfir: I got that, but I don't know what to put in the config file to have php syntax highlighting
[04:21] <yfir> misread
[04:22] <yfir> PHPWannabe: vim manual is very good :)
[04:22] <Comanche> elcu, why wouldn't linux be for me?
[04:22] <indigirl1> yfir: vim manual can be intimidating to a noob
[04:22] <elcu> Comanche: "all i did with fedora was update the darn thing"
[04:23] <benkong2> I don't want my cdrom to be my sources when I do apt-get it looks for my cdrom how do I change that?
[04:23] <Comanche> yeah, because i haven't had time to explore the benefits of linux. too much hw
[04:23] <yfir> indigirl1: the sooner he reads it, the sooner he won't be a noob
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[04:23] <Striss> I'm about to install a new video card, will Ubuntu detect it upon boot and set it up?
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[04:24] <Comanche> oh well, i am in fedora right now
[04:24] <gobeavs> what is the best router/firewall? Firestarter?
[04:24] <elcu> Striss: probably.  you won't get 3d acceleration, and you may have to tweak some settings to get things the way you want.
[04:24] <elcu> i.e higher resolutions etc
[04:24] <Comanche> I am about to restart my comp, wipe out fedora, and install ubuntu
[04:24] <Comanche> be back then
[04:24] <Comanche> after the install
[04:24] <transgress> heh nice plan
[04:25] <Comanche> thanks
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[04:25] <Striss> elcu ok I don't mind tweaking, as long as it at least detects it
[04:25] <yfir> PHPWannabe: well basically, you want to put 'set syntax' somewhere in .kvimrc, then you'll have to find out definitions for PHP syntax and make sure they are installed. not exactly sure how to do that or if they are already defined for the kvim you have
[04:25] <indigirl1> php: /usr/share/doc/vim/FAQ.gz section 22 should help
[04:25] <Striss> going from onboard to a new pci card
[04:25] <Comanche> karlosII, cut and paste the damn thing
[04:25] <KarlosII> huh?
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[04:26] <KarlosII> Comanche, what's your problem?
[04:26] <joe|code> Hello, what is the version of Gnome that comes with the latest ubuntu release?
[04:26] <Comanche> cut and paste the link if it wont work, or is that not the problem you are having?
[04:26] <transgress> joe|code: 2.10
[04:26] <joe|code> transgress: thank you
[04:26] <KarlosII> Comanche, did you not see the link at the end?
[04:26] <transgress> joe|code: that's in big print on the ubuntu page
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[04:26] <Comanche> karlosII, yeah i did, what about it?
[04:27] <felipe__> hi
[04:27] <joe|code> transgress: haha so it is. I see it.
[04:27] <indigirl1> php: or inside vim just do :h syntax
[04:27] <goldfish> Anyone here use transset?
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[04:27] <KarlosII> when I visit the site the webstart speedtest doesn't work, I'm not sure how webstart relates to java
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[04:27] <felipe__> in the menu system->preferences.. what have to configure sound ?
[04:27] <Comanche> okay
[04:28] <owlmanatt> What version of KDE is in ubuntu?
[04:28] <felipe__> gnome
[04:28] <felipe__> 5.04
[04:28] <Comanche> karlosII, the webstart is probably a java based application
[04:28] <KarlosII> I have no idea what I need to do to get it working......
[04:28] <owlmanatt> Synaptic says like 4:43Ubuntu1
[04:28] <Delph> KarlosII: throw it at javaws
[04:28] <PHPWannabe> yfir: it has php syntax highlighting, and I can select it from the menu.  Where would I be able to see the part I have to add in the file?
[04:28] <KarlosII> javaws
[04:28] <xorg> Hello is there an easy way to get gnomemeeting to start automatically after boot?
[04:28] <owlmanatt> felipe__: No, there's KDE in the repos too, but I can't figure out which version it is...
[04:28] <Comanche> karlosII, do you have java runtime installed?
[04:28] <KarlosII> yes
[04:28] <elcu> xorg: one way to find out.
[04:29] <Delph> Do you have java web start installed?
[04:29] <dr_willis> latest kde i have installed is 3.4
[04:29] <xorg> elcu: yes?
[04:29] <Delph> if not, then you're unlikely to be able to run java webstart applications.
[04:29] <felipe__> i dont listen sound no more. i install jack and now dont have sound no more
[04:29] <capi> I'm trying to set up a mail server. I'm sending mail but it doesn't go anywhere? I'm not exactly sure what I'm supposed to do to get thigns working. It's a default server install.
[04:29] <KarlosII> Delph, that is a good question is the packaged name javaws like you mentioned b4?
[04:29] <goldfish> xorg: in system -> sessions or something, u can pick programs to run on startup in gnome
[04:29] <Delph> packaged?
[04:29] <KarlosII> package
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[04:29] <Delph> I've no idea how ubuntu is doing it.
[04:29] <KarlosII> hmm
[04:30] <xorg> thanks goldfish
[04:30] <Delph> I'd reccomend ditching any ubuntu packages and installing it from sun.
[04:30] <elcu> xorg: reboot and try it out.
[04:30] <KarlosII> I figured java webstart would install with the packages, I've tried both from ubuntu sources and from sun
[04:30] <elcu> xorg: whoops, misread your post. sorry
[04:30] <elcu> :)
[04:30] <elcu> xorg: do what goldfish said.
[04:30] <Delph> KarlosII: go back to the sun site, last I checked it was a seperate download for linux.
[04:30] <xorg> it's done by default?
[04:31] <KarlosII> ah
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[04:32] <xorg> thanks goldfish I think that will work
[04:32] <xorg> bye
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[04:33] <goldfish> np
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[04:34] <capi> ? Anyone, setting up postfix/sendmail
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[04:37] <capi> ?
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[04:41] <DR_K13> anyone tryed breezy on a laptop yet?
[04:41] <dazzed_> DR_K13: no point yet
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[04:42] <DR_K13> gotcha thats what I figured
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[04:43] <Nalioth> DR_K13, i'm scared to try breezy on my ibook
[04:43] <moist> wondering how does one change from nvidia to Ati without reinstall ???
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[04:43] <Nalioth> DR_K13, PPC support seems to be behind a bit
[04:43] <dazzed> moist: hardware or drivers?
[04:44] <evilmegaman> Hi, I have a kde update available but it won't install. The package is kdelibs-data
[04:44] <IIIEars> dazzed don't you need to reompile the kernal to enable nvidia cards?
[04:44] <dazzed> IIIEars: no
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[04:44] <Riddell> evilmegaman: http://moba.linuxfaqs.de/kdelibs-debug.sh
[04:44] <moist> dazzed: well I just put an ati card in where my nvidia card was installed fglrx
[04:44] <dazzed> my nvidia card worked outta the box
[04:45] <evilmegaman> thanks Riddell
[04:45] <IIIEars> another reason to like Ubuntu over knoppix
[04:45] <moist> I thought it would have a new hardware dect like fedora
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[04:47] <moist> how can I install a new xorg.conf to pickup ati card
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[04:47] <drcodedd2> Hi all
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[04:48] <evilmegaman> Thanks Riddell. That  helped a bunch :D
[04:48] <drcodedd2> I have download bocula backup, but it seems what I download from apt-get is old , How I can get last release by apt-get
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[04:49] <elcu> drcodedd2: updated your sources?
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[04:50] <drcodedd2> I go into thte site and saw v2.36
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[04:50] <drcodedd2> the apt-get download me v2.32
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[04:50] <elcu> brian_: how did you go? :)
[04:50] <icebalm> drcodedd2: wait until the latest is in apt
[04:50] <drcodedd2> k
[04:51] <drcodedd2> is there deb site that is updated more ofetn?
[04:51] <drcodedd2> why it dosnt update like the new release?
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[04:52] <JLogik> anyone have anything for vmware problems?
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[04:53] <icebalm> drcodedd2: because there are thousands of apps in the ubuntu repos, hoary just got released and breezy isn't setup yet
[04:53] <drcodedd2> k
[04:53] <drcodedd2> k
[04:53] <drcodedd2> I found in there web site for .deb
[04:53] <drcodedd2> the new release
[04:54] <drcodedd2> how I can see what pkges I have?
[04:54] <Nalioth> drcodedd2, i believe synaptic has a button marked "installed"
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[04:55] <drcodedd2> I use console
[04:55] <drcodedd2> I install it as server mode
[04:55] <Nalioth> drcodedd2, then i recommand lettin the "man" tell you cuz i cheat and use synaptic
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[05:00] <ShadowRage> okay
[05:00] <ShadowRage> totem keeps crashing
[05:00] <ShadowRage> whenever I play a dvd
[05:00] <drcodedd2> I hope I did ok, I use dpkg -l
[05:00] <elcu> ShadowRage: totem-gstreamer?
[05:00] <drcodedd2> is it the right command?
[05:00] <ShadowRage> no
[05:01] <ShadowRage> xine
[05:01] <ShadowRage> it just dies the second it starts playing a dvd
[05:01] <ShadowRage> what else does this shit need?
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[05:02] <XTCboarder> is there a tool to check my drive partitions, especifically the swap, that i think is kinda funky
[05:02] <Nalioth> drcodedd2, if you got a screen full of pkgs flyin by, then probably i suggest your append your command with ">installed" or whatever you want to tname it
[05:02] <Delph> KarlosII: found it?
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[05:03] <ShadowRage> elcu: totem-xine
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[05:03] <joe|code> Hello, when I attempt to install ubuntu I am told that there was an error trying to read data from the cd-rom. I burned two additional disks and tried both my cd-rom and dvd-rom and I was met with the same error.
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[05:04] <kkathman> greetings all :)
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[05:04] <elcu> ShadowRage: does it show an error?
[05:04] <thegreedyturtle> greetings
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[05:05] <Delph> XTCboarder: 'check' as in 'find out about' or 'check for problems' ?
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[05:06] <XTCboarder> thx
[05:06] <Delph> np
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[05:07] <joe|code> I just started using Gnome today.
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[05:08] <Nalioth> joe|code welcome
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[05:08] <gbhat> every so often my Ubuntu desktop screen freezes while the mouse pointer moves around fine. Clicks from the mouse are not registered but the keyboard responds. What gives?
[05:08] <thegreedyturtle> do you have nvidia accelleration enabled?
[05:08] <BockBilbo> hey again
[05:08] <BockBilbo> anyone awake?
[05:08] <gbhat> acceleration enabled - 3D?
[05:09] <fsapo> hi there... please... anyone here knows a way to burn some files on a cd without making an iso image? my HD is full and dont have space to create the iso file =[
[05:09] <maxxist> put a disc in the burner and start dragging files over??
[05:10] <fsapo> maxxist, but it creates the iso image
[05:10] <maxxist> oh
[05:10] <gbhat> it is frozen now the mouse that is
[05:10] <thegreedyturtle> gbhat: i found this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24703
[05:11] <gbhat> thegreedyturtle, cannot click on that link. mouse is frozen
[05:11] <gbhat> rather the pointer moves but clicks are not registered
[05:11] <thegreedyturtle> Do you have RenderAccel enabled in your xorg?
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[05:11] <bob2> fsapo: you can use cdrecord + mkisofs manually
[05:11] <thegreedyturtle> cuz that's what my problem was
[05:11] <gbhat> thegreedyturtle, nope. I have commented it out
[05:12] <thegreedyturtle> 'fraid i can't help you then, all i can suggest is the obvious, such as, do you have the right drivers for your card, ect ect...
[05:12] <gbhat> thegreedyturtle, I have the latest nvidia-glx drivers
[05:13] <gbhat> it is a NVidia GeForce 5200
[05:13] <ShadowRage> now, why I cant I get gaim 1.1.2 on warty?
[05:13] <thegreedyturtle> umm first you should try to ctl+alt+backspace to restart your xserver and get stuff working again
[05:13] <gbhat> thegreedyturtle, the mouse is working intermittently
[05:13] <fsapo> bob2, the problem is that a dont have free space to make an iso
[05:14] <thegreedyturtle> then just double check that RenderAccel, and poke around google some, focussing on your graphics card
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[05:14] <fsapo> bob2, i m trying to burn it to free space on the disk 
[05:14] <thegreedyturtle> sorry i can't help, maybe someone else in her can later
[05:14] <thegreedyturtle> hey panicked thumb
[05:14] <gbhat> thegreedyturtle, is the dri section necessery for 3D?
[05:14] <thegreedyturtle> definitely
[05:14] <thegreedyturtle> and for 2D
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[05:15] <gbhat> what would be the mouse type for USB?
[05:15] <gbhat> I mean the protocol? Right now my xorg says it is ImPS/2
[05:15] <thegreedyturtle> you could try (backing up your xorg.conf) then running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[05:16] <thegreedyturtle> you got a wheelmouse?
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[05:16] <gbhat> yeah
[05:16] <thegreedyturtle> sounds good then
[05:16] <bob2> fsapo: yes, I know, using mkisofs and cdrecord doesn't need any free space
[05:16] <Cine> anybody know what this qmake business is all about?
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[05:16] <Cine> I've used ./configure to install stuff before... but qmake is new to me
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[05:17] <ShadowRage> can anyone answer my question?
[05:17] <ShadowRage> why xine-totem crashes on dvd playback?
[05:17] <gbhat> ShadowRage, I hate Totem. Cannot get rid of it though
[05:17] <ShadowRage> what would you suggest?
[05:17] <ShadowRage> mplayer?
[05:17] <maxxist> how do you install mp3 codecs in hoary?
[05:18] <andrewski> ShadowRage: xfmedia
[05:18] <gbhat> the only good software for DVD is VLC or MPlayer
[05:18] <ShadowRage> andrewski: with xfce4?
[05:18] <andrewski> maxxist: ubuntuguide.org, gstreamer-mad IIRC
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[05:18] <andrewski> ShadowRage: it would work in gnome too... anything really. :P
[05:18] <ShadowRage> have they done that yet?
[05:18] <fsapo> bob2, but how am i going to make an iso on the drive? it with with 0 bytes of free space -_-
[05:18] <maxxist> thanks
[05:18] <andrewski> ShadowRage: you have internet access?
[05:18] <gbhat> mebbe on dialup
[05:19] <bob2> Cine: you shouldn't have to care about qmake if you'e compiling
[05:19] <gbhat> thegreedyturtle, what did that link you poster before recommend
[05:19] <Cine> really?  hmm... trying to install an animation program called Ktoon...
[05:19] <Cine> it says to use qmake rather than ./configure
[05:19] <ShadowRage> andrewski: yes
[05:19] <andrewski> ShadowRage: os-works.com has a repository; i'm using it.
[05:19] <ShadowRage> andrewski: 56k
[05:19] <Cine> says I need Qt version 3.3.2
[05:19] <bob2> Cine: oh, ok, believe the docs over me
[05:20] <ShadowRage> andrewski: repository info?
[05:20] <andrewski> ShadowRage: it's on the site.
[05:20] <thegreedyturtle>  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24703
[05:20] <bob2> fsapo: you need to read the ir manual page
[05:20] <thegreedyturtle> but it won't help much... sorry
[05:20] <Cine> but the only Qt software I can find COSTS MONEY!!
[05:20] <ShadowRage> http://darthbenedict.ytmnd.com/
[05:20] <Cine> which to me defeats the purpose... :)
[05:20] <andrewski> ShadowRage: http://www.os-works.com/view/debian/
[05:22] <BockBilbo> does anyone of you know if the echo command isnt working right in ubuntu?
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[05:22] <darkaudit> why is firestarter ignoring my settings? I set a port to allow traffic, and it's still being blocked
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[05:22] <gbhat> alright trying reverse now. Compsoite, Render, RenderAccel all are set to true
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[05:23] <gbhat> let me see if the mouse stops responding now
[05:23] <ShaneAu> Is it setup on the right network card? eg, eth1, eth0? darkaudit
[05:23] <ShadowRage> andrewski: it's asking for libexo
[05:23] <gbhat> nah same old
[05:23] <thegreedyturtle> hey there's some updated for gimp and gaim
[05:23] <andrewski> ShadowRage: yeah, it'll need that.
[05:23] <andrewski> ShadowRage: is that a problem?
[05:24] <darkaudit> ShaneAu: yep... only card I've got... it works for some ports, but not the one or two I need open right now
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[05:24] <ShadowRage> andrewski: it cant find it
[05:24] <gbhat> this is frustrating
[05:24] <thegreedyturtle> gbhat: good luck ;)
[05:24] <andrewski> ShadowRage: should be available in the same repository; did you enable it correctly?
[05:24] <bob2> Cine: eh? it's in the libqt3-mt-dev package.
[05:24] <ShadowRage> yeah
[05:25] <andrewski> ShadowRage: i'll check mine.
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[05:25] <andrewski> ShadowRage: you enabled testing?
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[05:25] <ShadowRage> yes
[05:26] <andrewski> ShadowRage: dunno, it's available on mine.  maybe try a resync?
[05:27] <andrewski> ShadowRage: did you do a search for it?  libexo0.3-0 it's called on mine.
[05:27] <andrewski> but you could just search for libexo too.
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[05:27] <ShadowRage> andrewski: oh, it wants me to install these one by one.. it's not gonna automatically install dependencies
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[05:27] <andrewski> ShadowRage: what the heck are you using?
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[05:28] <nekohayo> voodoo2, anyone? ^^
[05:28] <andrewski> nekohayo: no thanks, i have to get to bed soon.
[05:28] <nekohayo> oh too bad :)
[05:29] <ShadowRage> andrewski: synaptic
[05:29] <ShadowRage> I think I figured the problem out
[05:29] <ShadowRage> fixed
[05:29] <andrewski> ShadowRage: strange... oh, yeah?
[05:29] <ShadowRage> uhmm nevermind
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[05:29] <ShadowRage> andrewski: #flood
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[05:31] <Absenth> good evening all.
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[05:32] <gbhat> alright am trying the options pci=noacpi and noirqdebug at boottime. wanna see if my mosue still hangs
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[05:33] <jedi0473> hi i need some help
[05:34] <gbhat> ask away jedi0473
[05:34] <^thehatsrule^> o/
[05:34] <jedi0473> i wnted to run the ubunto livecd
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[05:34] <gbhat> ok
[05:34] <jedi0473> but somthing weent wrong
[05:35] <gbhat> something?
[05:35] <jedi0473> it says kernel panic unable to mount root fs
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[05:35] <jedi0473> on unknwn block
[05:35] <jedi0473> 9.0
[05:35] <helio7> hullo all; I need some ideas so I can troubleshoot the loss of cd-burning power that I've had since I switched up to Hoary from Warty... burning inevitably fails when I try regardless of the application I use: Nautilus/k3b/gnomebaker... any ideas?
[05:35] <^thehatsrule^> :P
[05:36] <gbhat> jedi0473, did you check the md5sum of the iso you downloaded?
[05:36] <jedi0473> yep it matchs
[05:36] <gbhat> helio7, does cdrecord work from the terminal?
[05:36] <^thehatsrule^> helio7, dma?
[05:37] <gbhat> jedi0473, did you try passing pci=noacpi to the kernel while booting?
[05:37] <jedi0473> yep
[05:37] <helio7> gbhat: haven't tried cdrecord from the terminal; will do now; ^thehatsrule^ not sure what dma is, trying gbhat's idea 1st
[05:37] <^thehatsrule^> ok
[05:38] <thegreedyturtle> gbhat: possible insight - if your keyboard still works after your screen and mouse lock, it might not be the graphics card... everything about the grapics card problems involves X locking up tighter than a nun's pussy. No keyboard, mouse, - I couldn't even get to a terminal with ctl-alt-F1
[05:38] <gbhat> thegreedyturtle, I think I licked the problem
[05:38] <thegreedyturtle> hope i didn't waste your time with bad advice ^-^;
[05:38] <^thehatsrule^> you should always have dma on tho, boosts performance... goes direct to mem
[05:38] <thegreedyturtle> rock on buddy boy
[05:38] <gbhat> passing pci=noacpi and noirqdebug at boottime fixed tthe sucker
[05:39] <thegreedyturtle> hey i guess i called it - we all get lucky sometimes
[05:39] <gbhat> thegreedyturtle, I have been using various linux distros, While Ubuntu is great, its hardware detection and configuration leaves a lot to be desired
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[05:39] <blizah> im on packetnews.com tring to click the link to open up my irc and connect to the channel but when i click the link it says irc is not a registered protocal...anyway to make it work?
[05:40] <gbhat> jedi0473, got a spare PC to see if the cd is working properly?
[05:40] <jedi0473> yep
[05:40] <thegreedyturtle> yeah, so everyone go to Applications -> System Tools -> Ubuntu Device Database, and register your hardware!
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[05:40] <gbhat> thegreedyturtle, in terms of hardware detection MDK is the best. But I am using Ubuntu cuz I wanna use KDE3.4 and GNOME2.10 with drop shadows and translucency
[05:41] <gbhat> jedi0473, desktop/laptop?
[05:41] <helio7> gbhat: http://pastebin.ca/10243 (my cdrecord error log) (it did not work)
[05:41] <jedi0473> lap
[05:41] <thegreedyturtle> i wonder how quickly they'll get out gnome3 with ubuntu
[05:41] <geneo93> gbhat:  mandrake cooker has kde3.4 now
[05:41] <gbhat> geneo93, not interested in cooker
[05:42] <gbhat> helio7, in Ubuntu I think you specify dev=/dev/hd*
[05:42] <geneo93> 2005 special edition
[05:42] <gbhat> geneo93, 2005 Limited Edition
[05:42] <helio7> gbhat: just add that to .bashrc?
[05:42] <geneo93> gbhat:  its stable now
[05:42] <blizah> any way to get irc a registerd protocol in firefox?
[05:43] <gbhat> nahh helio7 while burning just say cdrecord dev=/dev/hd* (replace * with whatever is your CDrom. mine is hdc
[05:43] <helio7> ahh gbhat ok thanks
[05:43] <gbhat> geneo93, yeah I quadruple boot MDK2005 Limited, UBuntu Hoary, PhOSbeta6 and Syllable
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[05:43] <helio7> blizah: the chatzilla extension will enable firefox to open irc links I think
[05:43] <geneo93> gbhat:  beoser hey
[05:43] <gbhat> geneo93, yeah :)
[05:44] <gbhat> geneo93, I am currently on an OS whoring binge
[05:44] <gbhat> helio7, that worked?
[05:44] <geneo93> ah i have R5 and phos b5 and suse ,slack  and mandrake plus win 98se and ubuntu
[05:44] <helio7> trying to figure out which hd my cdr is
[05:45] <gbhat> get phos beta6. Tis nice.
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[05:45] <geneo93> gbhat:  haven't had time yet
[05:46] <gbhat> geneo93, Hoary with drop shadows and translucency is still the bestest :)
[05:46] <gbhat> helio7, take a stab with hdc
[05:46] <geneo93> gbhat:  i use unizone and on it right now
[05:47] <gbhat> unizone = ?
[05:47] <geneo93> beshare client
[05:47] <moist> whos here has an ati card installed with ubuntu
[05:47] <gbhat> R5 or PhOS?
[05:47] <geneo93> gbhat:  linux client for beshare
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[05:48] <ShadowRage> oh and on another subject, how can you mount nfs shares through that gnome thing?
[05:49] <andrewski> ShadowRage: as for media players, what about gxine?  it's not bad.
[05:49] <gbhat> VLC media player is right up there
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[05:49] <geneo93> mplayer is what i use
[05:49] <Frederick> Hi folks, I have a doubt, wich language was apt coded into?
[05:49] <ShadowRage> god damn
[05:50] <andrewski> ShadowRage: i would generally recommend anything xine-based; i've liked it much better than mplayer.
[05:50] <ShadowRage> why is zsnes for warty so old?
[05:50] <ShadowRage> 1.3.0?
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[05:50] <geneo93> ShadowRage:  warty is old
[05:50] <ShadowRage> back in 2002 mandrake came with 1.36
[05:50] <ShadowRage> so wtf
[05:51] <ShadowRage> warty cant be that old
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[05:51] <ShadowRage> it;d have to be 4 years old
[05:51] <ShadowRage> oh wait, it is 1.36
[05:51] <andrewski> lol
[05:51] <ShadowRage> still, that would make it 3 years old
[05:51] <ShadowRage> latest zsnes is 1.42
[05:52] <ShadowRage> meh
[05:52] <ShadowRage> does anyone know if hoary shipped yet?
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[05:52] <Amaranth> 2 weeks ago
[05:52] <ShadowRage> through the shipit thing?
[05:52] <Amaranth> actually, i think 3
[05:52] <ShadowRage> okay then
[05:52] <Amaranth> oh
[05:52] <ShadowRage> I should get mine any day now
[05:52] <ShadowRage> I live out in california
[05:52] <Amaranth> i dunno about that
[05:52] <Amaranth> but it came out 3 weeks ago
[05:53] <ShadowRage> the cd's shipped 3 weeks ago?
[05:53] <andrewski> ShadowRage: too bad you couldn't just upgrade over the internet; it'd probably take you longer on 56K than just waiting for your CD....
[05:53] <geneo93> april 8 was hoary release date
[05:53] <ShadowRage> yeah
[05:53] <Amaranth> ha, my warty ones took 3 months and i'm in iowa
[05:53] <helio7> gbhat: it appears to be working; at least I've gotten further in the process than before with cdrecord via commandline; if it's failing with gui burners, what would you suspect is the difference?
[05:53] <ShadowRage> took me 2 months to download warty
[05:53] <Amaranth> so you'll be seeing your hoary CDs around the time breezy is getting usable
[05:53] <nekohayoo> haha
[05:53] <ShadowRage> I know people who could download it for me
[05:53] <andrewski> Amaranth: whence do they ship?
[05:53] <ShadowRage> but they're afraid it will install linux onto their computers or run a virus
[05:53] <ShadowRage> >__>
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[05:54] <Amaranth> andrewski: No clue.
[05:54] <gbhat> helio7, what gui program you using?
[05:54] <nekohayoo> ShadowRage, not if they don't see you slip in their basement
[05:54] <helio7> nautilus, gnome-baker, k3b whatever
[05:54] <andrewski> Amaranth: oh, you made it sound all the more inexplicable since you lived more eastward. :P
[05:54] <geneo93> helio7:  have you tried gcombust
[05:54] <ShadowRage> I tell them it wont, and they said "BULLSHIT! IT WILL. THINGS FROM THE INTERNET CAUSE VIRUSES AND SO DO CDS! except from microsoft!"
[05:54] <helio7> gbhat: gnomebaker looks good; I want the ability to write cd-audio from mp3 files
[05:54] <ShadowRage> two of the people I know who could do the download for me say that crap
[05:54] <andrewski> ShadowRage: freakin' ignoramuses.
[05:54] <helio7> geneo93: no, I haven't
[05:55] <Amaranth> andrewski: Didn't I talk you you in #pygtk? :)
[05:55] <gbhat> helio7, in Gnomebaker Preferences does it list your device?
[05:55] <ShadowRage> and my other aunt and uncle in downey are too far away to simply download and burn a cd
[05:55] <geneo93> thats my favorater
[05:55] <nekohayoo> ShadowRage, did you explain that tinfoil hats could do the same as a good firewall/antivirus?
[05:55] <ShadowRage> no >__>
[05:56] <GoneBoB> nekohayoo: yes
[05:56] <nekohayoo> :] 
[05:56] <helio7> gbhat: yes gnomebaker auto-detects both the cdrw and the dvdrw drives correctly
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[05:56] <geneo93> ShadowRage:  i'm on 28800 3 days tops
[05:56] <GoneBoB> I have many styles of hat
[05:56] <ShadowRage> my friend down the street has a dumbass mom who is paranoid as fuck when it comes to the computer, also, she's right, you're wrong, youre never right, only she is.
[05:56] <andrewski> Amaranth: you're the same Amaranth?  how about that?! :P
[05:56] <andrewski> Amaranth: i went to the library to check out the O'Reilly book on Python and it's out until next week. :(
[05:56] <nekohayoo> poor thing.
[05:56] <ShadowRage> my aunt and uncle in yucaipa dont trust the internet at all.
[05:57] <gbhat> helio7, what are their IDs?
[05:57] <ShadowRage> and believe microsoft is the greatest thing since sliced bread
[05:57] <ShadowRage> because they met bill gates once.
[05:57] <nekohayoo> and ipod is a dangerous explosive device?
[05:57] <ShadowRage> and then my grandma's house is in downey
[05:57] <ShadowRage> so me = fucked.
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[05:57] <gbhat> ShadowRage, no DSL/Cable internet where you live?
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[05:58] <ShadowRage> cable, too expensive
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[05:58] <helio7> dev/hdd and /dev/hdc gbhat
[05:58] <ShadowRage> DSL, phone company doesn't want to acknowledge we exist on the grid, even though we're well within the limits of DSL
[05:58] <GoneBoB> how too expensive
[05:58] <ShadowRage> eg, so they dont have to do anything
[05:58] <blizah> any way to make irc a registered protocol in firefox?
[05:59] <ShadowRage> GoneBoB: $90/mo
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[05:59] <ShadowRage> GoneBoB: because you have to get package deals.
[05:59] <GoneBoB> ouch, most AU is $50-80 /month
[05:59] <GoneBoB> depends on speed/plan
[05:59] <nekohayoo> and here it's 29,99 :)
[05:59] <nekohayoo> (CAD)
[05:59] <Absenth> I don't suppose anyone knows if it's possible to install Amarok on Hoary, without loading all of KDE?
[05:59] <GoneBoB> nekohayoo: s/,/./
[05:59] <Nalioth> fixing to give up this fu**ng endeavor and stay with OSX
[05:59] <ShadowRage> used to, they did it for $49.99, but then they decided to fuck us good by including it in packaged deals only
[05:59] <nekohayoo> GoneBoB, baaah..
[05:59] <rj-_> blizah: i was wondering the same thing earlier today
[06:00] <ShadowRage> oh and then let's not forget hidden fees
[06:00] <gbhat> DSL in Houston with SBC Yahoo is 19.99 now
[06:00] <Absenth> Nalioth, I'm still running OSX on my mac.
[06:00] <blizah> rj-_, any luck?
[06:00] <Absenth> Nalioth, I couldn't justify removing a Unix to isntall another *nix.
[06:00] <heatxsink> so no answers to the iPod over Firewire?
[06:00] <Nalioth> Absenth, i am dual booting also, but i like the freedom of linux
[06:00] <GoneBoB> heatxsink: what's the problem?
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[06:01] <sig> I want an iPod
[06:01] <blizah> anyone know if its possible to get irc to become a registered protocol in firefox?
[06:01] <gbhat> gotta run
[06:01] <heatxsink> GoneBoB:  got the modules modprobed into the kernel
[06:01] <gbhat> bue all
[06:01] <gbhat> bye
[06:01] <ShadowRage> I want the creative xen
[06:01] <heatxsink> iPod is plugged in via firewire
[06:01] <Nalioth> Absenth, although now that i think about it, between fink and darwinports and my own compiling, there really aint nothin i'm missing
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[06:01] <heatxsink> it's not registering via sbp2
[06:01] <Absenth> Nalioth, I also like linux quite a bit.  All of my desktops are running it.  I just couldn't justify it on the notebook that's used quite a bit less frequently.  and Fink/darwin port do make OSX a lot more useful.
[06:01] <djabrail> Koukou....
[06:01] <heatxsink> GoneBoB:  any ideas?
[06:01] <andrewski> ShadowRage: sheesh, here's it's only 35.
[06:02] <rj-_>  I have a question, while using nautilus 2.10.0 when i right click on a file and go to Open With -> Open with other application, I can enter a custom command, but there is no way to delete the command once i add it to the right click menu
[06:02] <Nalioth> Absenth, does the sound work on your PPC linux?
[06:02] <GoneBoB> heatxsink: hm
[06:02] <djabrail> ...
[06:02] <GoneBoB> heatxsink:do you have sd_mod loaded?
[06:02] <Absenth> Nalioth, no Linux on Mac Hardware.  all the desktops are X86
[06:02] <Nalioth> Absenth, ah i see
[06:03] <Nalioth> i'm running ubuntu on an older white iBook
[06:03] <XplOzIon> damn are backport repositories slow? taking forever to download anyhthing
[06:03] <XplOzIon> anything*
[06:04] <Absenth> Does anyone know if I can install Amarok without installing all of KDE?  and if not, is it sudo apt-get isntall kubuntu to get kde and the required?
[06:04] <Nalioth> <rant> and its funny cuz there are less combinations of hardware on the PPC side of the house, it should make it easier to code for the platform.  No 89bazillion combinations of hardware like in the x86 world </rant>
[06:04] <thegreedyturtle> what is amarok?
[06:04] <thegreedyturtle> if it's an app, it will probably run under gnome, if it's part of kde maybe not
[06:04] <Absenth> thegreedyturtle, qt based xmms replacement
[06:04] <Nalioth> Absenth , amarok can be installed w/o the whole of KDE
[06:05] <XplOzIon> Amarok is a media player right?
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[06:05] <yfir> Absenth: you only need some of the qt libraries that amarok needs (plus a few others) not all of kde
[06:05] <Absenth> XplOzIon, yes
[06:05] <Absenth> Thanks guys.
[06:05] <djabrail> yep
[06:05] <XplOzIon> nothing like an apt-cache search package =PP
[06:06] <ShadowRage> meh
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[06:06] <Absenth> XplOzIon, that would require I had more then a passing experiance with the Debian way of doing things.
[06:06] <XplOzIon> anyone know how to set up a sound theme??
[06:06] <XplOzIon> :)
[06:06] <jackmacokc> hello all, i'm having some trouble upgrading my kernel - could anyone help me out?
[06:07] <Absenth> however, Synaptic is pretty sweet.  it's a total of 15 packages if anyone cares :)
[06:07] <thegreedyturtle> Absenth: probably...
[06:07] <andrewski> Amaranth: i meant to ask you a while back; do you know of any good OOP primers on which i could hone my classy craft?
[06:07] <geneo93> explain jackmacokc
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[06:07] <jackmacokc> when i use apt-get, it tells me "E: Couldn't find package linux-686-smp"
[06:08] <jackmacokc> am i possibly missing a certain repository?
[06:08] <sig> jackmacokc: make sure it is the correct spelling: apt-cache search kernel
[06:08] <geneo93> linux-image
[06:09] <Nalioth> jackmacokc, how many repositories ya got in yer sources.list?
[06:09] <Absenth> BRB.
[06:09] <Amaranth> andrewski: http://hetland.org/python/instant-python and http://hetland.org/python/instant-hacking
[06:09] <jackmacokc> well i had several i got from ubuntuguide.org, but that wasnt working so i went back to the default 3 and uncommented them
[06:10] <andrewski> Amaranth: ok, thanks a lot; i'd very much not like to have to wait a week before i can get some more complex things worked out in my program. :P
[06:10] <geneo93> jackmacokc:  linux-image is what you need
[06:10] <sig> linux-image-2.6.11-1-686-smp - Linux kernel image for version 2.6.11 on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/PIV SMP.
[06:10] <helio7> I'm trying to follow a pointer to a CVS snapshot on the wiki from the forum (http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GnomeBaker) I'm not sure what to do with it can anyone guide me?  am I supposed to re-compile gnomebaker?
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[06:11] <blizah> hrm googling for making irc a registered protocol in firefox and i got nothing helpful'
[06:11] <XplOzIon> i guess noone know how to set up a sound theme :/
[06:11] <jackmacokc> geneo93: i'm not seeing a 686 version in the list, theres a 686-smp kernel for hoary isnt there?
[06:11] <Nalioth> XplOzIon, my poor iBook doesnt play sounds in the first place
[06:11] <sig> jackmacokc: I just posted it
[06:11] <sig> linux-image-2.6.11-1-686-smp
[06:12] <Nalioth> jackmacokc, did you update your apt after your changed em
[06:12] <XplOzIon> Nalioth, :(
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[06:12] <Absenth> Wheee......  average of 10600fps
[06:12] <jackmacokc> sig: what does that mean, posted it?
[06:12] <jackmacokc> nalioth: yes, but just did again
[06:13] <Nalioth> jackmacokc, means he printed it to channel twice
[06:13] <andrewski> jackmacokc: sig linux-image-2.6.11-1-686-smp - Linux kernel image for version 2.6.11 on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/PIV SMP.
[06:13] <sig> pasted
[06:13] <sig> ...
[06:13] <jackmacokc> ah
[06:13] <jackmacokc> duh, sorry
[06:14] <jackmacokc> E: Couldn't find package linux-image-2.6.11-1-686-smp
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[06:14] <drcodedd2> Hi all
[06:14] <drcodedd2> whats up
[06:14] <AvvY> howdy
[06:14] <jackmacokc> hey
[06:14] <AvvY> im procastinating
[06:14] <XplOzIon> sup
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[06:14] <drcodedd2> I need some help
[06:15] <Absenth> jackmacokc, you "could" try using Synaptic
[06:15] <Nalioth> jackmacokc, not that its needed (i'm sure) but have you added 'universe' and 'multiverse' to your sources.list?
[06:15] <drcodedd2> I have download source code
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[06:15] <drcodedd2> didnt find pkg call osst
[06:15] <drcodedd2> for my tape device
[06:15] <venkman> for ubuntu, do they only add the debian patches to the kernel, or more?
[06:15] <Nalioth> drcodedd2, not the dreaded source code
[06:15] <jackmacokc> nalioth, i'm checking
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[06:16] <Somebody_> Hello
[06:16] <drcodedd2> can I compile the source code
[06:16] <niles> hello, I believe I made a mistake with my user settings. I removed administration privileges from my user name.
[06:16] <drcodedd2> with make and so?
[06:16] <Nalioth> jackmacokc, i don't think its necessary for your kernel search, but it does give a dumpload more proggys
[06:16] <Nalioth> drcodedd2, yes you can
[06:16] <Somebody_> I just apt-get install samba, and I get the following: "Media change: please insert the disc labeled 'Ubuntu 5.04 _Hoary Hedgehog_ - Release i386 (20050407)' in the drive '/cdrom/' and press enter".
[06:16] <Nalioth> drcodedd2, you go! compile your own stuff! wwwoooooo
[06:16] <Somebody_> The problem is none of my respositories are from CD?
[06:17] <Nalioth> Somebody_, so insert it, cuz a few of em are on there
[06:17] <Absenth> drcodedd2, you will need to sudo apt-get install build-essential I believe to install gcc and the like.
[06:17] <Nalioth> Somebody_, the simplest damned things are on the cd
[06:17] <Somebody_> Oh, I can't get it from the net? :)
[06:17] <Somebody_> *:(
[06:17] <drcodedd2> thanx
[06:17] <venkman> have they started work on the next release of buntu?
[06:17] <venkman> ubuntu
[06:17] <AvvY> yeah
[06:17] <Nalioth> Somebody_, probably, but it was easier for me to just put the damned cd in
[06:17] <drcodedd2> I will try to find the pkg
[06:17] <AvvY> its in testing stages
[06:18] <drcodedd2> I can take debian pkgs too?
[06:18] <Somebody_> Haha, yeah problem is I never keep the CDs after installation :S
[06:18] <Nalioth> Somebody_, while its in the machine, install "CVS" also
[06:18] <venkman> AvvY, can i change my sources from hoary to that safely?
[06:18] <niles> How can I set administrative privileges to my user name again. I removed them when attempting to create a root account.
[06:18] <AvvY> venkman: im not sure. it is due for release in about 6months so id wait till u tried it out, unless u want to be a tester
[06:19] <niles> Now I cannot access the users and groups
[06:19] <geneo93> niles:  all you needed to do was sudo passwd root
[06:20] <niles> I did do that but I still cannot acces the users and groups
[06:20] <yfir> Somebody_: if you don't want to use the cd packages at all, you can remove the cd from your sources list and those packages will be downloaded instead
[06:20] <niles> I can su in terminal
[06:20] <Nalioth> venkman, if you like living dangerously, go ahead
[06:22] <yfir> venkman: unless you are a tester, it's best to leave breezy alone for a while
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[06:22] <geneo93> niles:  sudo add user
[06:22] <alyks> my mouse is acting funny
[06:23] <alyks> when I move it around
[06:23] <alyks> it sometimes resists
[06:23] <alyks> or moves very slowly
[06:23] <geneo93> alyks:  prolly ate some decon
[06:23] <Absenth> alyks, going to ask a stupid question here, but is it optical, or a ball mouse
[06:23] <alyks> it's a wireless mx1000 laser mouse
[06:23] <alyks> fully charged
[06:24] <Absenth> alyks, I have the same mouse.  is it connected via usb?
[06:24] <alyks> yeah
[06:24] <Absenth> alyks, move the reciever away from the monitor, and anything resembling speakers, stereo equipment etc.  hit the connect button on the reciever, wait 5 seconds, then hit connect on the mouse.
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[06:26] <alyks> alright, that seemed to work
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[06:26] <alyks> Thank you very much
[06:26] <Absenth> no problem.
[06:27] <alyks> now it's just a bit too sensitive, gotta fix that
[06:27] <abarbaccia> hey guys - i was using the menu editor, and it made duplicate copies of all the entries i edited...how do i fix this?
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[06:27] <x2comp> can someone tell me how to get into the su?
[06:27] <abarbaccia> use sude
[06:27] <abarbaccia> sudo
[06:27] <abarbaccia> try sudo -s
[06:27] <aardvark_> type sudo
[06:28] <x2comp> thanks
[06:28] <abarbaccia> np
[06:28] <Absenth> x2comp, http://ubuntuguide.org is your friend.
[06:28] <abarbaccia> anyone here have problems with the menu - editor?
[06:28] <x2comp> i couldn't figure it out because in Fedora, it was su
[06:28] <mcmunt> anyone install rhythmbox 0.8.8 under warty?
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[06:28] <Absenth> x2comp, the root account is disabled by default on ubuntu.  you have to enable it.  the Ubuntu/Debian way of doing things is through sudo.
[06:29] <venkman> i don't mind my stuff breaking as long as it doesn't stop ssh or firefox :)
[06:29] <helio7> How does one apply a .deb upgrade to a package?
[06:29] <x2comp> also, what is the editor?
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[06:29] <abarbaccia> helio7, try just using dpkg -i ???
[06:29] <nxvl> hi
[06:29] <Absenth> x2comp, vi, and nano I believe are both installed by default.
[06:29] <x2comp> i need to get into grub
[06:29] <nxvl> im having a problem with ubuntu and mi laptop
[06:29] <nxvl> with de video card
[06:29] <abarbaccia> x2comp, get "into"  usually you just edit /etc/grub.conf
[06:29] <aardvark_> whats the problem
[06:29] <nxvl> y have use debian for a long time
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[06:30] <nxvl> and i have no problems to use mi laptop with proyectors or another monitor
[06:30] <nxvl> but with ubuntu i just can't
[06:30] <yfir> nano is default editor i believe. i think i had to install vim myself. emacs might be on there by default too
[06:31] <Maikeru> Hey everybody. Does anybody understand ubuntu's handelling of network cards? I have a PCMCIA card that is recognized correctly if I type 'cardctl info'.  But I can't use it, it's stuck with the "lo" loop interface thing... ?
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[06:31] <x2comp> i tried emacs, no luck
[06:31] <Absenth> yfir, I know "vi" works at the command line by default on a hoary install.  it's the only editor I use.
[06:31] <helio7> abarbaccia: hmm thanks, I got a critical error http://pastebin.ca/10247 peek if you have a second please
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[06:31] <alka_tras1> anyone want to try my wifi-radar deb?
[06:31] <yfir> Absenth: ok, might be. i installed it back in the early warty days, but perhaps it's deafult on hoary now
[06:32] <alyks> alright
[06:32] <alyks> um
[06:32] <x2comp> i need to edit grub.conf to change the default boot OS to Windows XP, but I can't seem to get into grub.conf to change it
[06:32] <alyks> how do I make the back/forward buttons work?
[06:32] <Absenth> yfir, could be :)  I don't think any proper *nix should be without vi :)
[06:32] <nxvl> does anobody know the problem
[06:32] <nxvl> ??
[06:32] <alyks> wait
[06:32] <yfir> Absenth: i'm with you there :)
[06:32] <AvvY> ok stop distracting me, i must do some work.
[06:32] <alyks> found the answer on google
[06:32] <Absenth> alyks, I have to find that document again, I just reinstalled as well.  Give me a few min.
[06:32] <abarbaccia> helio7, thats a problem with the package not how you are installing it --- best bet is to try google, also try using the dpkg -u command for upgrade
[06:32] <Nalioth> alka_tras1, does it run on PPC?
[06:33] <abarbaccia> x2comp, you should be able to sudo nano /etc/grub.conf
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[06:33] <Absenth> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/IntellimouseMousemanBackForwardButtons
[06:33] <alka_tras1> Nalioth: ummm, I'm not sure
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[06:33] <helio7> abarbaccia: ok, thanks, I'm at a loss, because cd recording in general has broken in hoary for me, so I don't think it's application-specific
[06:33] <jb_one> x2comp: once you get grub.conf in the editor, change the "default 0" line to "default 4" , save the file and then reboot.
[06:33] <Nalioth> alka_tras1, i've been lookin for a wifi stumbler that works for a while
[06:34] <Absenth> Nalioth, you have an Airport, or airport extreme card?
[06:34] <alka_tras1> Nalioth: give it a shot http://kazakshan.homeip.net/ubuntu/wifi-radar_1.9.3-2_i386.deb
[06:34] <alka_tras1> I interested if it will work
[06:35] <alyks> mx1000 configuration: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/IntellimouseMousemanBackForwardButtons
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[06:35] <abarbaccia> anyone here use the menu-editor?
[06:35] <Nalioth> alka_tras1, do you have the source code? i386 won't work for me
[06:36] <alka_tras1> Nalioth: no, it more of just a hack from a rpm and then repackaged  :)
[06:36] <Nalioth> alka_tras1, i have the older supportd standard airport card
[06:36] <Nalioth> ah
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[06:37] <fejaor> how can I get rid of the annoying message from Firestarter that I don't have enough privileges to start that program??.....this program runs when I start ubuntu
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[06:38] <alyks> brb
[06:38] <alka_tras1> Nalioth: I don't thing that there is anything that compiles, it just scripts, so I'm guessing that it may still work
[06:38] <yfir> fejaor: you should run it with root privledges. gksudo Firestarter or something
[06:39] <x2comp> jb_one, how do i get emacs on here?
[06:39] <fejaor> Ill try that gksudo
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[06:39] <fejaor> thanks
[06:39] <alka_tras1> Nalioth: infact if you download the tar file it, you don't compile you just copy the scripts
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[06:40] <jb_one> x2comp: try "sudo apt-get install emacs21*"
[06:40] <Nalioth> alka_tras1, tar file?
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[06:40] <nnonix> Battery charge monitor never goes above 98% therefore never reporting the battery full. I have been unsucessfull in finding documentation about tweaks or configuration. Anyone point me in the right direction or confirm that its screwed?
[06:40] <alka_tras1> Nalioth: the source file
[06:40] <Absenth> horay for writing my letter of resignation on Hoary
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[06:41] <alka_tras1> Nalioth: I'm a little tired and things are coming out funny tonight
[06:41] <jago> hello, does any one know where i can find a list of ubuntu packages for the apt program
[06:41] <Nalioth> alka_tras1, well i've found that on the ibook, self compiling is usually the order of the day
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[06:42] <fejaor> It didn't work
[06:42] <fejaor> same annoying message that I need to have root privileges to start firestarter
[06:42] <Absenth> jago, the easy way is through Synaptic
[06:42] <Nalioth> jago, try using synaptic
[06:42] <jago> waht is synaptic
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[06:42] <jago> sorry kinda new to this
[06:43] <Absenth> click system, click administration, click synaptic
[06:43] <Nalioth> a graphical frontend to apt-get
[06:43] <Absenth> jago, it's a graphical front en..... what he said
[06:43] <jago> thank you
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[06:43] <fejaor> I tried gksudo and didn't work
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[06:43] <danko123456> youre welcome
[06:43] <x2comp> jb_one, thanks, that is the one text editor i know how to use
[06:44] <Absenth> Big kudos to the Ubuntu team for hardware detection.  I remember having a hell of a time getting an Nforce nic working in Forsaken core 2
[06:44] <Absenth> on Hoary it was configured by default, as was the Marvel gig card.
[06:44] <x2comp> jb_one, i couldn't find grub.conf, it was menu.lst
[06:44] <danko123456> theyre good
[06:44] <fejaor> same annoying message that I need to have root privileges to start firestarter
[06:44] <heatxsink> apt-get install emacs
[06:44] <fejaor> I tried gksudo and didn't work
[06:45] <danko123456> infirestarter, eh?
[06:45] <heatxsink> fejaor:  what is firestarter?
[06:45] <danko123456> tryimg to get it goong?
[06:45] <danko123456> firewall
[06:45] <yfir> heatxsink: a front end to iptables i believe
[06:45] <Absenth> firestarter = the firewall software in synaptic for ubuntu
[06:45] <jb_one> x2comp: gack. you're right. sorry. recent convert from Fedora here.
[06:45] <heatxsink> sweet
[06:45] <x2comp> does anyone know if i can install certain windows programs?
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[06:45] <Absenth> x2comp, which windows programs.
[06:45] <danko123456> try wine x2comp
[06:46] <x2comp> same, just wiped out fedora to install ubuntu
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[06:46] <danko123456> fejaor:
[06:46] <danko123456> where did you get to?
[06:46] <yfir> fejaor: what exactly did you try? did you kill firestarter and then type 'gksudo firestarter' in a terminal?
[06:46] <fejaor> heatxsink, the firewall for ubuntu
[06:46] <Nalioth> x2comp, but not on a PPC machine
[06:46] <Absenth> x2comp, wine works for several, or if you're willing to spend $39 for crossover office, I think it's worth every penny,.
[06:46] <Nalioth> x2comp, Congratulations!
[06:46] <fejaor> yf
[06:46] <heatxsink> thanks all
[06:46] <Nalioth> Absenth, do you have to pay for the source code?
[06:46] <danko123456> you have it installed, and you cant get it to inhitialize hey?
[06:46] <Nalioth> Absenth, you used to be able to get the source code for free
[06:46] <yfir> fejaor: are you currently logged into a sudoer account?
[06:46] <jb_one> x2comp: i was tired of the bulk and frenetic pace of fedora.
[06:47] <fejaor> yfir, I change the command on the preference, sessions, startup programs to gksudo firestarter....and logout
[06:47] <Absenth> Nalioth, you can't get all of it without paying, they include several propriatary parts.
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[06:47] <jb_one> x2comp: so i put ubuntu on an old 4 gig drive and started installing to taste.
[06:47] <jb_one> x2comp: still have 25% of the drive left.
[06:47] <stevenj> is anyone here using the Milk 2.1 theme?
[06:47] <yfir> oh... I see. that's more complicated if you want it to start at startup
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[06:47] <x2comp> jb_one, i was a total noob and just felt that fedora was too slow, and it needed too many updates. Ubuntu seems to be faster and less needy :)
[06:48] <danko123456> what error do you get, fejaor??
[06:48] <danko123456> wow
[06:48] <danko123456> chinese simbol
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[06:48] <Absenth> x2comp, I've been a redhat/clones guy since 5.2  Been using ubuntu for about a month now, and won't go back if I can avoid it.
[06:48] <fejaor> danko123456, when I start ubuntu I get the error that I don't have root privileges to start Firestarter
[06:48] <danko123456> ok
[06:48] <danko123456> I get a diff one.
[06:49] <Nalioth> Absenth, no sh*t?! gpl cheating bastards
[06:49] <danko123456> I get that my eth0 is not ready
[06:49] <x2comp> jb_one, i had just bought a 160gb hdd, and had my old 40gb lying around with no use so I installed linux onto it
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[06:49] <danko123456> I can start firestarter, though
[06:49] <danko123456> start tha firahstartah
[06:49] <danko123456> :))
[06:49] <x2comp> jb_one, I like the ease of use of linux, but what is the advantage over windows?
[06:49] <danko123456> C:)
[06:49] <danko123456> it is difference....
[06:49] <Nalioth> i'm happy you guys have escaped from RPM hell
[06:49] <jb_one> x2comp: just keep using linux for a while and that question will be answered for you.
[06:49] <danko123456> not just advantage
[06:49] <fejaor> danko123456, well...i can't started without that annoying message
[06:49] <heatxsink> haha
[06:50] <heatxsink> RPM HELL
[06:50] <heatxsink> haha
[06:50] <Nalioth> not even YUM could get me to like it
[06:50] <x2comp> jb_one, except for no viruses, no spyware, no major bugs
[06:50] <x2comp> jb_one what else is there?
[06:50] <danko123456> you know,
[06:50] <Absenth> x2comp, imho, Windows is super easy to setup, and it's performance/stability degrades over the next 3 months -> 12 months.
[06:50] <danko123456> It runs different.
[06:50] <danko123456> I mean...do you have a ftp, ssh, and web server running now, x2comp?
[06:50] <alka_tras1> Absenth: yep
[06:50] <Absenth> x2comp, linux takes longer to get configured the way you want it, but it's performance/stability seem to stay pretty constant after that point.
[06:50] <x2comp> no
[06:51] <danko123456> well...
[06:51] <danko123456> get those babies running:)
[06:51] <danko123456> haha
[06:51] <danko123456> serious...I mean, what did you get the Linux for?
[06:51] <x2comp> danko123456, no server or anything...yet
[06:51] <Absenth> x2comp, we have 9 servers running deadrat 8.0 at work, that each have over 200 days of uptime, with over 45 users on each of them.
[06:51] <jago> can i add debian testing to my souce list or will it corrupt my system
[06:51] <alka_tras1> x2comp:  I'll be back I need to defag my computer again  :)
[06:51] <danko123456> You dont need a removable media anymore...
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[06:51] <heatxsink> damn..
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[06:51] <Nalioth> x2comp, this is true. linux is more diffecult to get set up, but once you do get it the way you like, it never is a problem after that
[06:52] <danko123456> a true multi user...blah blah
[06:52] <danko123456> x2comp: DOWNLOAD A linux ina nutshell book.
[06:52] <Absenth> alka_tras1, defrag again?  how about remove the 350mb of spyware/adware/malware
[06:52] <danko123456> Read the intro...
[06:52] <Nalioth> jago, i recommend just adding universe and multiverse
[06:52] <danko123456> It can be a prob...
[06:52] <Nalioth> jago adding debian anything could break ya
[06:52] <x2comp> I am getting a new amd64 system soon, and my old sempron system willl be turned into a server then. I am testing linux out in the mean time
[06:52] <jago> i am sorry but "what "
[06:52] <Absenth> and don't think of me as a linux zealot.  at work I support 350 windows 2000 workstations.
[06:52] <alka_tras1> Absenth: it sure really slow, I think that I need a new computer
[06:53] <danko123456> well...run a server now,...its just a program...
[06:53] <danko123456> Run all of them, its awesome...
[06:53] <x2comp> alka_tras1, what are your system specs?
[06:53] <danko123456> I have my site..
[06:53] <yfir> well for server os you want freeBSD of course.. *ducks*
[06:53] <Nalioth> anyone got the wiki page for multiverse and universe?
[06:53] <danko123456> on my ISPs home page, I have a redirect to my comp...
[06:53] <pixil9> yfir: agreed.
[06:53] <Absenth> if you all wanna try something REALLY interesting, check out LTSP :)
[06:53] <danko123456> I always know which IP I am, and use my comp when I am not here...
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[06:53] <Absenth> www.ltsp.org,  also #ltsp on this server.
[06:54] <blizah> any gui in ubuntu for unraring a RAR archive?
[06:54] <alka_tras1> amd mobile 2600 512meg mem - 128nvidia  // nothing too fancy
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[06:54] <danko123456> You know, whats really the advantage of Windows, x2comp?
[06:54] <danko123456> nothing, does the same thing...
[06:54] <Nalioth> blizah, ark?
[06:54] <danko123456> Just Linux has so much more open hands.
[06:54] <pixil9> blizah: just apt-get install rar.. then rar x <file>
[06:54] <x2comp> more programs and that's about it, danko123456
[06:54] <danko123456> Anything you want to install, its in your repos.
[06:54] <yfir> blizah: there is an unrar package availabe in multiverse/universe repositories
[06:54] <Nalioth> pixil9, there are two candidates for rar
[06:54] <alka_tras1> blizah: yep file-roller, if it doesn't work then install the rar package sudo apt-get install rar  :)
[06:55] <danko123456> not really more programs?
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[06:55] <danko123456> Think programs...
[06:55] <Absenth> x2comp, linux has more programs?  that's about right.
[06:55] <danko123456> does it have a shell
[06:55] <danko123456> ?
[06:55] <danko123456> no...
[06:55] <danko123456> so...
[06:55] <pixil9> Nalioth, yes and unrar is borked.
[06:55] <danko123456> I mean, thats a big program right there...its a Unix, dude.
[06:55] <x2comp> i probably will never give up windows entirely, mainly because I have used it for so many years. Plus I am becoming a gamer
[06:55] <danko123456> Try it out..
[06:55] <danko123456> hehe
[06:56] <danko123456> Awesome, may your gaming...haha.
[06:56] <x2comp> can you install doom3 onto linux?
[06:56] <alka_tras1> yes
[06:56] <yfir> x2comp: yes
[06:56] <blizah> file roller says archive type not supported
[06:56] <Absenth> x2comp, for games there's Cedega.  It works for most the games I play,  Including World of Warcraft, Half Life 2, and Star Wars Galaxies.
[06:56] <danko123456> Anyhow...you want a book on Linux hist?
[06:56] <Nalioth> x2comp, can you say Cedega?
[06:56] <Absenth> x2comp, with Cedega you can.
[06:56] <danko123456> right.
[06:56] <Absenth> x2comp, www.transgaming.com
[06:56] <Absenth> also #cedega on this server
[06:56] <x2comp> where do i get cedega?
[06:57] <danko123456> awesome...I dont even know 1/10 programs...
[06:57] <danko123456> there has to be more for linux...
[06:57] <danko123456> try your repo, synaptic.
[06:57] <Absenth> danko123456, open synaptic, after adding universe and multiverse.
[06:57] <Absenth> it's insane.
[06:57] <yfir> i thought there was a native linux doom3 ? wasn't that big news at one point? (not a gamer)
[06:57] <danko123456> haha
[06:57] <Nalioth> mega-insane
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[06:57] <Nalioth> especially for you guys running x86 hardware
[06:58] <danko123456> Nalioth: PPC?
[06:58] <Absenth> After that......  our friends sourceforge.net covers most everything else.
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[06:58] <danko123456> right...
[06:58] <blizah> so "unrar filename" in a terminal should unrar the archive?
[06:58] <x2comp> i can't wait to get my AMD64 system. It is going to be so freakin' sweet
[06:58] <danko123456> I dont even run my windows with anything thats not open sourcve...
[06:58] <pixil9> blizah: unrar is a piece of shit. get rar.
[06:58] <Nalioth> blizah, ask the "man" about unrar
[06:58] <danko123456> THe game I have is 10-12 yrs old...:)
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[06:59] <jago> will breezy work.
[06:59] <danko123456> 23:58:43) x2comp: i can't wait to get my AMD64 system. It is going to be so freakin' sweet
[06:59] <danko123456> awesome.
[06:59] <stevenj> I am trying to make open office 1.1 (hoary release) use its on native theme not the gnome theme I use-is this possible and how? Thanks!
[06:59] <Absenth> x2comp, I almost picked up an Amd64 3000+ last weekend.  Decided to replace my nforce2 board, and hold out for cheep dual cores
[06:59] <x2comp> go to newegg.com, and look in the shared wishlists, search for "If I had the money..." it's the newer one, made in april
[06:59] <danko123456> Nalioth: stepchild of whom?
[06:59] <pixil9> I'm waiting for a 5000+
[06:59] <pixil9> and i'm in
[06:59] <danko123456> the person that got you the iBook?
[06:59] <yfir> haha
[07:00] <danko123456> i have a 12"
[07:00] <Absenth> I'd settle for a ~$200 3ghz dual core intel
[07:00] <x2comp> i want the 4000+, that should plenty fo rme
[07:00] <danko123456> not dick, foolz
[07:00] <danko123456> iBook.
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[07:01] <Absenth> 2 weeks to start my new job.  bye bye Network Engineer, Hello Network Administrator.
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[07:01] <danko123456> stevenj: what wm are you running it in?
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[07:01] <danko123456> I mean, that may make a diff...
[07:01] <x2comp> my cpu is gonna cost about $600-$800
[07:01] <Absenth> in a mixed windows / unix (aix / openBSD) network
[07:01] <blizah> pixil9 is rar a gui?
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[07:01] <dts> can i somehow dim my laptop background
[07:01] <jubei> How can I check the version of Xorg that I am running?
[07:01] <danko123456> blizah: yeah
[07:01] <thegreedyturtle> I'd settle for a version of openMosix that works on the 2.6.x kernel
[07:01] <x2comp> then i am going to get a thermal electric cooling system, and overclock that sucker
[07:01] <danko123456> jubei: where did you look?
[07:02] <danko123456> I( have to clean out my computer fan...
[07:02] <jubei> danko123456: I have no idea where to look
[07:02] <x2comp> i might settle for water cooling though
[07:02] <blizah> danko123456, k ive installed rar...how would i lanuch it...type rar in run program and nothing
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[07:02] <danko123456> cd /etc/x11
[07:02] <blizah> k
[07:02] <dts> thegreedyturtle, is there open mosix on ubuntu
[07:02] <danko123456> how about the shell...try it in bash
[07:03] <ian> Absenth: you mean like 4 years ago..? :)
[07:03] <danko123456> its a rar extracting program...
[07:03] <danko123456> blizah: man rar
[07:03] <stevenj> danko123456, milk 2.1
[07:03] <Absenth> ian,  heh,  I've been overclocking since my first 486
[07:03] <jubei> danko123456: having a look in /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[07:03] <danko123456> is that a wm?
[07:03] <danko123456> or just a gnome theme
[07:03] <ryman> hi guys
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[07:03] <danko123456> jubei: whhyy, whats there?
[07:03] <alka_tras1> a great game that I just install on linux is called Savage and it's free!  check it out http://home.ripway.com/2005-1/248022/Savage.html
[07:04] <Absenth> ian, that's probibly also why I'm still running a 2400+  Can't bring myself to pay >$150 for less then 20% boost in realworld applications.
[07:04] <stevenj> danko123456, there are some little problems so I figured maybe I could use open office native theme and that would solve it
[07:04] <danko123456> oveerclockingC:)
[07:04] <geneo93> i'm ocing dually
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[07:04] <danko123456> whats a theme, just the gnome thing>?
[07:04] <jubei> danko123456: first lin in that log is X Window System Version 6.8.2 (Ubuntu 6.8.2-7 20050329182042 root@)
[07:04] <danko123456> like
[07:04] <ian> Absenth: are you a gamer?
[07:04] <Absenth> ian, yes.
[07:05] <danko123456> ok, so is that it?
[07:05] <danko123456> jubei: ?
[07:05] <ian> Absenth: ah.  I'm not, anymore, and all I want is a CPU that doesn't run hot or kill a battery too fast :)
[07:05] <jubei> danko123456: Does the ubuntu compliation of Xorg have the evdev patches listed here http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/wfsection/article.php?articleid=46 ?
[07:05] <danko123456> who knows tahat?
[07:05] <pixil9> Anyone know of a CGI thumbnail maker/viewer for a webpage?
[07:05] <jubei> Anyone?
[07:05] <x2comp> i push my 2400+ to the limit without overclocking it
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[07:05] <XTCboarder> /dev/scd0 << are those (scd*) the scsi devices?
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[07:06] <danko123456> I wouldnt think so,,,maybe at some other time....
[07:06] <Absenth> ian,  That I understand completely.  to the level that I set up a Pentium II 233 with 256mb of ram for general use (openoffice, firefox, mail)  it's the only computer I leave turned on for any length of time that isn't my 12" G4 ibook.
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[07:06] <Nalioth> blizah, like danko123456 sez..ask the "man" about unrar or rar or anything
[07:06] <jubei> danko123456 ok, so can I get the ubuntu xorg source and apply the patches myself?
[07:06] <XTCboarder> /dev/scd0 << are those (scd*) the scsi devices? someone knows?
[07:06] <ian> when I click Places or System the text is highlighted, but it doesn't turn white like the "Applications" text does!
[07:07] <x2comp> i run multiple resource hogging programs at once, like doom 3 and a few other programs simultaneously, and my processor gets up to 55 degrees C in no time
[07:07] <Absenth> ian, it's great, If I leave the amd turned on for any length of time, my office goes to about 22C, if I fire up a game, it easily hits 26C after about 35/40 min
[07:07] <danko123456> hehe
[07:07] <danko123456> jubei: I wouldnt do it
[07:07] <jago> will it hurt my system if i add breezy to my source list
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[07:07] <danko123456> you maybe could
[07:07] <x2comp> i have to take breaks from doom 3 to let my cpu cool down again
[07:07] <x2comp> i really need a water colling system
[07:07] <Nalioth> jago if you like living dangerously, go ahead
[07:07] <danko123456> it will upgrade, jago
[07:07] <yfir> jago: it could. why do you want to?
[07:07] <jubei> danko123456, why wouldnt you do it?
[07:07] <Nalioth> jago if you do, you can label yourself "test subject"
[07:07] <danko123456> I dont do that...
[07:07] <danko123456> Ubuntu does it for me...
[07:07] <ian> could you guys test that?  is your "Places" and "System" text white when selected?
[07:07] <danko123456> I reinstall...like windoows.
[07:08] <geneo93> you prolly want unrar-nonfree
[07:08] <Absenth> x2comp, running my 2400+ at 11/200 (simple 200mhz overclock) but the memory timings are 1:1
[07:08] <jago> i am looking to get more package options.
[07:08] <danko123456> yes...
[07:08] <danko123456> it depends on the theme...
[07:08] <danko123456> iam
[07:08] <danko123456> ian
[07:08] <Nalioth> jago enable "multiverse"and "universe" in your apt
[07:08] <Burgundavia> jago, yes
[07:08] <yfir> jago: breezy should be considered for testers only at this point. go ahead if you wish, but...
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[07:08] <Burgundavia> yfir, breezy is mostly broken at this point
[07:08] <x2comp> absenth, my 2400+ is a sempron running at 1.667 normally
[07:08] <ian> danko123456: but why would Applications go white but not the other two?
[07:08] <jago> how do i enable multiverse and universe
[07:09] <danko123456> jago: it will upgrade your system to breezey, is basically it.
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[07:09] <x2comp> i didn't think you could overclock that much
[07:09] <Burgundavia> ian, that is an old bug that should be fixed
[07:09] <danko123456> It is in development.
[07:09] <Burgundavia> ian, assuming you have the default them
[07:09] <Nalioth> Burgundavia, thought breezy was mostly hoary at this point, lol
[07:09] <danko123456> ian: they are all white,  under brown by default.
[07:09] <danko123456> gnome.
[07:09] <Absenth> isn't Breezy adding that system from IBM to help prevent buffer overflows?
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[07:09] <Burgundavia> Nalioth, hoary + debian sid sync
[07:09] <Absenth> or did I read about that somewhere else.
[07:09] <Nalioth> twas a joke, Burgundavia
[07:09] <x2comp> absenth, i tried overclocking the FSB from 166 to 170, but the system became unstable. it kept restarting itself
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[07:10] <Nalioth> i think a nice older dual proc system would fit the bill
[07:10] <Absenth> x2comp, yeah, I only got mine to 200 from 133 because I reduced the multiplier from 15 to 11
[07:10] <Burgundavia> ian, that bug was fixed int eh 2.9 development process. It may be an artifact of upgrading
[07:11] <blizah> hrm sry if im a little slow...says i need to start from a previous volume
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[07:11] <blizah> im starting at r00
[07:12] <Absenth> alright I've got work in the AM, so I'm going to call it a night.
[07:12] <Absenth> see everyone later.
[07:12] <blizah> ah nvm im missing the .rar
[07:12] <x2comp> absenth, explain this multiplyer to me. I am new to overclocking
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[07:12] <Absenth> x2comp, time to crack open google, and do some research.  Start with www.overclockers.com  later all.
[07:13] <x2comp> c-y'all
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[07:13] <danko123456> ok, go overclock now...
[07:13] <danko123456> C:)
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[07:14] <danko123456> wolfenstein...
[07:14] <danko123456> :)
[07:14] <danko123456> awesome.
[07:14] <danko123456> k, good night.
[07:14] <danko123456> for now.
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[07:14] <thegreedyturtle> Hey all, I need some feedback. I just posted up a big ol' thing on the Ubuntu Wiki, and I'd like to know what people think about it. It's at : http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UbuntuHowsCome
[07:15] <Burgundavia> thegreedyturtle, nice work, but I am little skeptical that it is actually useful
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[07:16] <Burgundavia> thegreedyturtle, join me at #ubuntu-doc
[07:16] <blizah> k tnx guys...sry for the trouble
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[07:16] <blizah> now if i could only get irc to be a registered protocol in mozilla
[07:16] <Skif> Okay, I haven't tried this in a while, so maybe I missed when it changed, but now when I plug in a USB storage device, it doesn't automatically mount anymore.
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[07:17] <Skif> Is there something I missed in an upgrade where I should have fixed this?
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[07:17] <Nalioth> thegreedyturtle, from a quick glance it looks like an interesting read
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[07:18] <Nalioth> thegreedyturtle, where do i send my suggestions for PPC improvements?
[07:18] <flames> hello, i install samba: sudo apt-get install samba, but i get this error:
[07:18] <flames> update-rc.d: warning: /etc/rc3.d/S91samba is not a link to ../init.d/samba
[07:18] <flames>  * Starting Samba daemons..                                              [fail] 
[07:18] <srid> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[07:18] <srid>   abiword-plugins: Depends: libwpd7 but it is not installable
[07:18] <XplOzIon> is there any HOWTO: set sound themes???
[07:19] <srid> actually, libwpd8 is installed
[07:19] <boredofthesane> hello, I have a question involving enabling dma access on my cdrom drive, what are the correct modules I need to have loaded for this to work?
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[07:19] <Burgundavia> boredofthesane, should just work
[07:19] <Burgundavia> boredofthesane, the modules you need should already be loaded
[07:19] <imaek> Does anyone know how to unrar seperated rar files (like .rar,.r00,.r01,etc)?
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[07:19] <flames> how can i start samba?
[07:20] <imaek> In ubuntu*?
[07:20] <Nalioth> imaek, yes. start at the .rar
[07:20] <imaek> Erm, it doesn't do anything.
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[07:20] <Nalioth> imaek, no errors?
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[07:20] <imaek> erm
[07:21] <imaek> well
[07:21] <boredofthesane> anybody know about enabling dma?
[07:21] <imaek> I don't know how to unrar?
[07:21] <Nalioth> imaek, do you have unrar installed?
[07:21] <imaek> No.
[07:21] <thegreedyturtle> Nalioth: it's at the bottom of the doc
[07:21] <Nalioth> imaek well then thats a good start
[07:22] <imaek> Package unrar has no installation candadate
[07:22] <Nalioth> thegreedyturtle, thx
[07:22] <b2s> boredofthesane: you use hdparm (permanent settings in /etc/hdparm.conf)
[07:22] <felipe__> hello. i need help on "menuing" apps on ubuntu
[07:22] <felipe__> please
[07:23] <Nalioth> imaek, when you get unrar installed, come back for step two
[07:23] <imaek> Okay
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[07:23] <boredofthesane> b2s: yeah I've tried that, it fails
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[07:23] <b2s> boredofthesane: what do you mean hdparm fails?
[07:23] <cyphase> hello world
[07:24] <Jeezis> i have a question concerning my wireless connection
[07:24] <yfir> imaek - if it's an archive made with rar 3.0 you'll want the package unrar-nonfree, not unrar
[07:24] <imaek> Nalioth, it's installed.
[07:24] <boredofthesane> b2s:boredofthesane@bored:~$ sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/hda
[07:24] <boredofthesane> /dev/hda:
[07:24] <boredofthesane>  setting using_dma to 1 (on)
[07:24] <boredofthesane>  HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted
[07:24] <boredofthesane>  using_dma    =  0 (off)
[07:24] <imaek> ok
[07:24] <Nalioth> imaek, open a terminal and get into the directory your rars are in
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[07:25] <boredofthesane> b2s: any idea, or am I screwed?
[07:25] <Jeezis> i'm using kwifimanager, and it has the mac of the router, it's on the right channel and it shows the right connection speed
[07:25] <cyphase> what do you guys think about the idea of creating a python module for the linux kernel to speed up preformance?
[07:25] <imaek> Nalioth: Can you hang on a sec
[07:25] <Jeezis> but it says the local ip is unavailable
[07:25] <jb_one> bored: did you check "sudo hdparm -I /dev/hda" to see if it is DMA capable?
[07:26] <Jeezis> could this be because i'm also connected using my ethernet adapter right now also
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[07:26] <boredofthesane> jb_one: boredofthesane@bored:~$ sudo hdparm -I /dev/hda
[07:26] <boredofthesane> /dev/hda:
[07:26] <boredofthesane> ATAPI CD-ROM, with removable media
[07:26] <boredofthesane>         Model Number:       LITE-ON DVDRW SOHW-1633S
[07:26] <boredofthesane>         Serial Number:
[07:26] <boredofthesane>         Firmware Revision:  BPSA
[07:26] <boredofthesane> Standards:
[07:26] <boredofthesane>         Used: ATAPI for CD-ROMs, SFF-8020i, r2.5
[07:26] <boredofthesane>         Supported: CD-ROM ATAPI-2
[07:26] <boredofthesane> Configuration:
[07:26] <boredofthesane>         DRQ response: 50us.
[07:26] <boredofthesane>         Packet size: 12 bytes
[07:26] <boredofthesane> Capabilities:
[07:26] <boredofthesane>         LBA, IORDY(cannot be disabled)
[07:26] <boredofthesane>         DMA: mdma0 mdma1 mdma2 udma0 udma1 *udma2 udma3 udma4
[07:27] <boredofthesane>              Cycle time: min=120ns recommended=120ns
[07:27] <boredofthesane>         PIO: pio0 pio1 pio2 pio3 pio4
[07:27] <boredofthesane>              Cycle time: no flow control=227ns  IORDY flow control=120ns
[07:27] <yfir> could you post things like that in #flood please
[07:27] <boredofthesane> sorry
[07:27] <Skif> So is Ubuntu not automounting USB drives, or am I supposed to install/configure autofs myself?
[07:27] <b2s> boredofthesane: or paste on pastebin.com or pastebin.ca or whatever
[07:28] <boredofthesane> sorry, didn't know it wasn't allowed
[07:28] <dr_willis> Skif,  Hmm - its automounting mine.
[07:28] <dr_willis> Skif,  it does seem flakey at times. if you try to outsmart it.  -
[07:28] <Skif> dr_willis: it used to mine, as well, but that was several weeks ago, and I've updated several times.
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[07:29] <pixil9> fuck i need a good cgi web album
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[07:29] <Skif> Interestingly, /var/log/syslog doesn't print a scsi device name when I insert it, just this (only 3 lines):
[07:29] <Skif> Apr 24 23:20:26 localhost kernel:   Vendor: TOSHIBA   Model: MK4025GAS         Rev: KA10
[07:29] <Skif> Apr 24 23:20:26 localhost kernel:   Type:   Direct-Access                      ANSI SCSI revision: 00
[07:29] <Skif> Apr 24 23:20:26 localhost kernel: usb-storage: device scan complete
[07:29] <ironcitadel> Hi, y'all.
[07:29] <danko123456> how do you search for torrent files anyhow?
[07:29] <xon> I have a process that is out of control, can anyone tell me what "nautilus --no-default-window --sm-client-id default3" reffers to?
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[07:30] <Skif> dr_willis: do you have autofs installed?
[07:30] <danko123456> no problerm, jeezis
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[07:30] <ironcitadel> Unless I missed something critical, I just installed Ubuntu without it asking me for a root password.
[07:30] <Seveas> ironcitadel, true
[07:30] <xon> iron you missed nothing
[07:30] <Seveas> ironcitadel: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[07:30] <ironcitadel> Whew!
[07:30] <Jeezis> danko123456: can you help?
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[07:30] <danko123456> no
[07:30] <ironcitadel> Now the question is, "What is the root password?"
[07:30] <Nalioth> danko123456, go ask uncle google for torrentx
[07:31] <danko123456> I just meant, no problem.
[07:31] <Jeezis> danko123456: ah, sorry :-p
[07:31] <Seveas> ironcitadel, read the link i gave you
[07:31] <boredofthesane> well, does anybody have an idea about the dma thing?
[07:31] <yfir> ironcitadel: there isn't one. everything is done with sudo
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[07:31] <Seveas> there is no root password :)
[07:31] <ironcitadel> Thanks
[07:31] <danko123456> I will
[07:31] <danko123456> Nalioth:
[07:31] <danko123456> google.ca
[07:31] <dr_willis> Skif,  autofs does NOT seem to be installed on this system.
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[07:32] <xon> Does anyone know what process "nautilus --no-default-window --sm-client-id default3" is?
[07:32] <Nalioth> ironcitadel, ubuntu does everything via sudo
[07:32] <danko123456> Nalioth: uncle google says there are many search results.
[07:32] <danko123456> :)
[07:32] <Nalioth> ironcitadel, for increased safety from the inadverdant "rm"
[07:32] <Seveas> xon, that is nautilus as desktop
[07:33] <Skif> well, drat.  What is supposed to be automounting USB drives, then?
[07:33] <danko123456> xon: dude...is it a window>
[07:33] <yfir> xon: it's a nautilus window
[07:33] <Seveas> Skif, pmount
[07:33] <Seveas> yfir, it is not a window :)
[07:33] <xon> any way to tell which nautilus window is going wacko?
[07:33] <Seveas> it is the desktop
[07:33] <xon> or is there a solution without reboot gnome?
[07:33] <dr_willis> Skif,  well - my drive dosent ecxactly automount from the kernel. i powered up the usb drive went to media:/sdg1  which had just poped up the icon for the drive.. click and its mounted.
[07:33] <danko123456> can you force quit it?
[07:33] <yfir> right, desktop
[07:33] <Seveas> xon, kill & restart it
[07:34] <dr_willis> Skif,  so in my case it seems that KDE was seeing/mounting the thing.
[07:34] <blizah> can gnome backer burn dvd images?
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[07:34] <xon> so issue a kill pid?
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[07:34] <Skif> dr_willis: I don't even get that, though-- I plug in the drive, and then... nothing
[07:34] <JaZy15> hey guys how can i change the icons that gnome uses
[07:34] <danko123456> blizah: have you tried?
[07:34] <Seveas> xon, yes, and then start again with the same parameters
[07:34] <dr_willis> Skif,  check ya dmesg messages? see if its even seen
[07:34] <JaZy15> i've gone to syn and downloaded the different gnome icons
[07:34] <JaZy15> but i'm not seeing were to change them
[07:34] <blizah> well i got it open all i see is cdr image...it failed
[07:34] <blizah> err cd image
[07:34] <Skif> dr_willis: er, I pasted them a bit ago.  I can repaste if your scrollback doesn't have it.
[07:35] <AvvY> how often does the linux kernel get updated?
[07:35] <boredofthesane> anybody have experience enabling dma access on a cdrom drive?
[07:35] <xon> Seveas whats the command to start it?
[07:35] <Skif> dr_willis: it seems like the kernel is noticing it, but not assigning it a sdX device.
[07:35] <danko123456> http://ubuntuguide.org/#gnomebaker
[07:35] <Seveas> nautilus --no-defaault-window etc.... exactly as it was in ps
[07:35] <danko123456> every so often...
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[07:35] <danko123456> :p
[07:36] <xon> Seveas, thanks
[07:36] <xon> This beast of a channel does prove its use from time to time ;)
[07:36] <danko123456> beast channel
[07:36] <blizah> danko123456, i just read the lgo of the failure in gnome baker..doesnt support dvd burning or something...any other programs in ubuntu i could try?
[07:36] <Nalioth> some of us resemble that remark
[07:37] <danko123456> yeah,,,
[07:37] <jb_one> bored: if you are still here, try going to: http://forum.cdfreaks.com/lite/f-44.html
[07:37] <danko123456> nautilus:///burn..?
[07:37] <danko123456> was it?
[07:37] <danko123456>  nautilus burn:///
[07:37] <danko123456> drag and drop vuilt in goodness.
[07:38] <danko123456> b
[07:38] <blizah> how would i do images?
[07:38] <blizah> same?
[07:38] <danko123456> image files?
[07:38] <blizah> yea
[07:38] <Nalioth> enough of these beastly neighbors
[07:38] <danko123456> like which?
[07:38] <danko123456> .iso?
[07:38] <Nalioth> y'all be good
[07:38] <danko123456> Nalioth: dude?
[07:38] <XTCboarder> !
[07:38] <blizah> erm .iso
[07:38] <boredofthesane> is my motherboard not supported if its giving me dma errors?
[07:38] <XTCboarder> anybody had trouble with sounds within the flash mozilla plugin?
[07:39] <XTCboarder> i hear nothing
[07:39] <AvvY> i couldnt even get it to install
[07:39] <danko123456> http://ubuntuguide.org/#mountunmountisofileswithoutburning
[07:39] <jb_one> bored: likley more of a mismatch of the CD firmware and the linux kernel DMA. You could try upgrading the CD firmware
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[07:39] <blizah> but what if i want to burn?.. :D
[07:39] <nxvl> hi
[07:40] <blizah> im just trying to make your life more diff. danko
[07:40] <danko123456> AvvY: install what?
[07:40] <danko123456> not difficult...
[07:40] <danko123456> at least were conversating..
[07:40] <danko123456> :)_
[07:40] <blizah> hehe
[07:40] <danko123456> Not sure..
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[07:40] <blizah> k
[07:40] <drcodedd2> Hi all
[07:40] <drcodedd2> How I can find if my tape work ?
[07:40] <boredofthesane> jb_one: ok, thanks
[07:41] <AvvY> dankol23456:the mozilla flash plugin. - amongst others. i cant get lots of things to install, even if i follow the guides at ubuntuguide.org
[07:41] <danko123456> hehe
[07:41] <danko123456> drcodedd2: awesome
[07:41] <nxvl> how could i change mi system from xorg to xfree without remuving ubuntu-desktop
[07:41] <drcodedd2> I get this message
[07:41] <drcodedd2> osst :I: Tape driver with OnStream support version 0.99.1
[07:41] <drcodedd2> osst :I: $Id: osst.c,v 1.70 2003/12/23 14:22:12 wriede Exp $
[07:41] <drcodedd2> osst :I: Attached OnStream DI-30 tape at scsi1, channel 0, id 0, lun 0 as osst0
[07:41] <danko123456> on a PC?
[07:41] <drcodedd2> when I try mt -f /dev/osst0 status
[07:41] <drcodedd2> I get no file
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[07:41] <danko123456> is it shown anywhere?
[07:42] <Skif> hrm, this looks suspicious-- usb-storage: waiting for device to settle before scanning
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[07:42] <danko123456> well, settle it.
[07:42] <XTCboarder> !dixed it
[07:43] <danko123456> i dont have any storage media like that that I carry around.
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[07:43] <danko123456> I ftp.
[07:43] <Skif> danko123456: kinda hard to ftp to an MP3 player...
[07:43] <drcodedd2> how I can check tape status?
[07:43] <drcodedd2> mt ?
[07:43] <danko123456> not easty
[07:44] <KarlosII> rotflol
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[07:45] <Skif> oh, nevermind, that was irrelevant
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[07:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> i cant run the latest smp kernel + a gui :(
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[07:47] <danko123456> Skif: good stuff.
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[07:48] <Skif> So the kernel is finding and identifying the device... why isn't it giving it a device :-P
[07:50] <blizah> danko123456, only way i see out is to emulate some program through wine to do my bidding :D
[07:50] <blizah> guess that should be :(
[07:50] <drcodedd2> in redhat there is /etc/rc.local what is in ubnutu?
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[07:52] <guruff> hello, should i leave cron and atd running in the background - why i need those ?
[07:52] <AvvY> how would i go about installing a game - Wolfensetin Enemy Territory - from a file that ends with .run?
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[07:52] <Skif> guruff: they run system processes in the background for you.  You shouldn't touch them.
[07:53] <guruff> Skif; what processes for example ?
[07:53] <xon> AvvY,  There is a great howto Enemy Territory in the forums
[07:53] <xon> ubuntuforums.org
[07:53] <AvvY> xon: thanx :)
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[07:54] <xon> Avvy when I installed last week the latest version was 2.60
[07:54] <AvvY> the latest verion i could find for linux was 2.56
[07:54] <guruff> :) anyhow
[07:54] <felipe__> help!! how can i get superuser abilities without loging in as root?
[07:55] <xon> felipe__, use sudo
[07:55] <Skif> guruff: um, it rotates logfiles, so you can more easily find recent log entries, it updates the disk cache so that 'locate' works reasonably well, that sort of thing
[07:55] <gabaug> I'm getting: "kernel: psmouse.c: TouchPad at isa0060/serio1/input0 lost synchronization, throwing 4 bytes away" very frequently in my /var/log/messages, and my computer is temporarily freezing up often in conjunction with that msg (along w/ a few more log lines)
[07:55] <Raskall> g'mornin. I'll start the day with an easy one: how do I prevent modules from loading during boot?
[07:55] <AvvY> xon: wow, its that simple? excellent!
[07:55] <felipe__> xon: yeah, i know, but i mean, i want to be able to create folders without using a terminal
[07:55] <Skif> if you have a database server installed, they might run some maintenance processes now and again to keep it running efficiently
[07:56] <felipe__> can that be done?
[07:56] <Raskall> the orinoco-driver is buggy with my intersil adapter, so I want to stop oronico from loading and use ndiswrapper instead
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[07:56] <xon> AvvY, http://www.3ddownloads.com/Action/Wolfenstein%20Enemy%20Territory/Full%20Game/et-linux-2.60.x86.run#
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[07:57] <AvvY> xon: will it matter? im already 75% done installing
[07:57] <AvvY> s/installing/downloading
[07:57] <xon> AvvY,  I do not know
[07:58] <xon> I have no idea as There's a bug in X / nvidia/firefox that keeps me from having renderaccel on thus making the game hard to play ;)
[07:58] <xon> Speaking of which does anyone else have system hangs with renderaccel = true when using firefox?
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[07:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> how do you change the default compiler? i need to change it from gcc4 to gcc3.3
[07:59] <xon> I searched bugzilla but couldnt find that specific bug in there
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[08:00] <dr_willis> Hmm. I dont have renderaccel enabled.
[08:00] <chaitatp> can i ask about jsp?
[08:00] <AvvY> xon: i found the 2.60 linux patch, which is only 8mb, so ill use that after i install
[08:00] <xon> good
[08:01] <jubei> Why dont I have an eventX for mouse in /dev/input/ ?
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[08:01] <xon> chaitatp, You can ask, whether or not you get an answer is another question
[08:01] <popobsd> hi, what is the best tools to monitor the traffic of using iptables as a gateway ?
[08:01] <AvvY> xon: i just realised that i am downloading the 260 version - i forgot i was downloading from a different server!
[08:02] <ryoohki> how do i recompile from source, ala make world?
[08:02] <chaitatp> xon, thanks.   does jsp runtime contain a class to create a wyswyg or rich text editor (web based)?
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[08:02] <xon> chaitatp, Beats me
[08:02] <chaitatp> xon, T_T
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[08:03] <Enkidu> I have tried every which way to fix sound but i still cant, can anyone help me?
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[08:05] <abarbaccia> hey all - anybody know how to setup spellcheck in OpenOffice?  for some reason it's not setting up
[08:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> abarbaccia. what do you mean?
[08:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> "its not setting up"
[08:06] <abarbaccia> I am purposely spelling words wrong and for some reason the spell check is not finiding them
[08:06] <visor> abarbaccia: there is a opencalc file in oo.org wich takes care of installing those things (it has macros on it so its kind of graphical) if the default install doesnt work
[08:07] <abarbaccia> i have aspell along with my dict installed - and its odd because under tools, options, languages, there is nothign under writing aids
[08:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> is it set to check as you type?
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[08:07] <abarbaccia> yes, but its not
[08:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> in 1.1.3 its a little abc on the side
[08:07] <abarbaccia> and it doesnt work when you click the button either
[08:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm.
[08:08] <ryoohki> is there a way to "make world"?  remake everything from sources?
[08:08] <pixil9> ryoohki, Go play with freebsd
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[08:09] <revelater> hey all!!!
[08:09] <beh> ok can someone tell me what i need to install so that it wont have problems finding this file? I get this message  error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
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[08:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi rev
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[08:10] <revelater> i got a big Q, i was trying to install a windows program, and it messed up my screena little, looks like the gamma is up WAY to high, is there anyway to fix it without restarting x?
[08:11] <drcodedd2> where do I find moduls
[08:11] <drcodedd2> modprobe , when I bot up
[08:11] <FeJaOr> I have this annoying message at the startup: "Insufficient Privileges. You must have root user privileges to use Firestarter".....how can I get rid of that without changing my starting applications??
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[08:12] <jubei> revelatoer: will the command xgamma help?
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[08:14] <chx_> hi there
[08:14] <Burgundavia> FeJaOr, you running hoary or warty?
[08:15] <FeJaOr> Burgundavia, I think im running hoary
[08:15] <FeJaOr> Burgundavia, not sure though :)
[08:15] <Burgundavia> FeJaOr, I think the version in hoary should be fixed to use sudo
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[08:15] <chx_> apt-cache search libavcodec finds libavcodec-dev but not the library itself. what should I add to my apt sources? I already have universe and multiverse. I run Hoary.
[08:15] <Burgundavia> FeJaOr, anyway open /usr/applications/firestarter.desktop
[08:15] <pixil9> chx_, apt-get install mplayer-custom
[08:16] <Burgundavia> FeJaOr, and confirm that the command to run is 'gksudo firestarter'
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[08:16] <donjohnson> hi all
[08:16] <Skif> Okay, this must just not be my night.  I'm trying to file a bug on linux-image-2.6.10-5-686, and bugzilla keeps telling me " You must choose a component to file this bug in. If necessary, just guess."
[08:16] <chx_> pixil9: thx
[08:16] <FeJaOr> Burgundavia, I can't open the file from the terminal
[08:16] <donjohnson> can some one tell me how to connect internet on live cd
[08:17] <FeJaOr> Burgundavia, sudo /usr/applications/firestarter.desktop
[08:17] <Burgundavia> FeJaOr, run 'gksudo gedit'
[08:17] <Skif> Can anyone else confirm that it doesn't appear on the list of packages to file bugs on before I file a bug on bugzilla? :-)
[08:17] <Burgundavia> and edit it with gedit
[08:17] <FeJaOr> Burgundavia, sudo: /usr/applications/firestarter.desktop: command not found
[08:17] <chx_> pixil9:  mplayer-custom: Depends: libavcodec2 but it is not installable
[08:17] <Burgundavia> FeJaOr, that is a file you need to open
[08:17] <Burgundavia> FeJaOr, and edit
[08:18] <chx_> pixil9: Package libavcodec2 is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[08:18] <abarbaccia> visor, Kamping_Kaiser this is really odd, but by reinstalling all the dictionary packages, it suddenly worked - i had uninstalled openoffice, then reinstalled, maybe it didnt set up some paths right, or something of the like
[08:18] <FeJaOr> Burgundavia, I have a blank document
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[08:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> abarbaccia, did you just reinstall the same version?
[08:19] <Burgundavia> FeJaOr, huh?
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[08:19] <visor> abarbaccia: yeah, maybe you did not had the dictionaries installed
[08:19] <donjohnson> how i get onlind warty live cd tnx
[08:19] <Burgundavia> FeJaOr, sorry /usr/share/applications/firestarter.desktiop
[08:19] <FeJaOr> Burgundavia,  gksudo gedit /usr/applications/firestarter.desktop and I got a clean file
[08:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> strange.
[08:19] <FeJaOr> ok
[08:19] <pixil9> chx_: do you have deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat testing main ?
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[08:21] <FeJaOr> Burgundavia, again....blank document
[08:21] <donjohnson> help
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[08:21] <Burgundavia> FeJaOr, did you correct my typo? desktop not desktiop
[08:21] <chx_> pixil9: your advice is sound but every advice creates a more interesting error.. The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907
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[08:21] <FeJaOr> yes
[08:21] <FeJaOr> and again blank
[08:22] <Burgundavia> FeJaOr, hunt around in that directory
[08:22] <Burgundavia> FeJaOr, it should be there
[08:22] <metalkaos> anyone have experience with kerberos?
[08:22] <chx_> pixil9: OK found it... installing.
[08:22] <donjohnson> need infi get online warty live cd
[08:23] <pixil9> not biggy.. just not verified ubuntu shit
[08:23] <pixil9> no*
[08:23] <pixil9> sarge stuff works tho :P
[08:23] <beh> can someone tell me how to change the size of the fonts in AIM
[08:23] <beh> the fonts are huge
[08:23] <FeJaOr> Burgundavia, is not there....
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[08:25] <donjohnson> can some one tell me how get online warty live cd
[08:26] <spreda>  konq, t'bird and xchat on new kubuntu box won't go on internet via e-smith server, but ping works and this warty box is on via server. gateway is in /etc/network/interfaces. old lappy will work on same cat.5 cable, so its' in the k box somewhere! clues, anyone?
[08:27] <chx_>  libavcodec2: Depends: libvorbis0a (>= 1.1.0) but 1.0.1-1 is to be installed
[08:27] <chx_> pixil9: sorry for being a PITA but ...
[08:28] <pixil9> hmmmm
[08:28] <pixil9> try apt-get install mplayer-586
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[08:30] <jedi> i'm on a 12" ibook G4... how should i go about getting my external display to work?
[08:30] <pixil9> jedi: just curious.. what's wrong with OS X?
[08:30] <pixil9> never used it
[08:30] <dr_willis> hmmm -->  Unable to compile wacom_drv.o without XF86 build environment  or Xorg SDK.. - exactly what should i be looking for in Synaptic to install. Trying to get the wacom tablet module compiled.
[08:31] <jedi> pixil9: my freedom is seriously impaired =)
[08:31] <pixil9> jedi: Lackin config options?
[08:31] <jedi> pixil9: lacking source code...
[08:32] <pixil9> ah
[08:32] <MrMiaow> darwin... cough...
[08:32] <pixil9> OS X doesn't come with darwin i though
[08:32] <pixil9> t
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[08:33] <scizzo> dr_willis: ummm...shouldn't that thingy be included already?
[08:33] <scizzo> dr_willis: that is if have a good wacom tablet
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[08:34] <dr_willis> scizzo,  aprantly to use the specal features of the tablet you need this extra moule (or so i am reading)
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[08:34] <scizzo> dr_willis: well is it working?
[08:34] <dr_willis> the included modules let it work as a basic mouse/tablet. but no pressure sencitivity.
[08:34] <revelater> SWEEEEET
[08:34] <revelater> !!!!!!!!!!!
[08:34] <revelater> i just watched bleach
[08:34] <scizzo> dr_willis: hmmm...shouldn't that depend on the program itself?
[08:34] <revelater> ep 1, im in love!!!
[08:34] <scizzo> dr_willis: for example GIMP and so on....
[08:35] <chx_> pixil9: I pm'd you the new error message and my sources.list
[08:35] <MrMiaow> http://developer.apple.com/documentation/Darwin/Conceptual/KernelProgramming/Architecture/chapter_3_section_2.html
[08:35] <dr_willis> scizzo,  exactly. My GImp is Gimped. :P
[08:35] <dr_willis> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WacomTabletIssue
[08:35] <donjohnson> can anyone tell me how get online warty live cd, tnx
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[08:36] <dr_willis> donjohnson,  you on dialup?
[08:36] <donjohnson> yes
[08:36] <scizzo> dr_willis: isn't the wacom-tools and so on things you can use from apt-get?
[08:36] <donjohnson> total novice here
[08:37] <donjohnson> i need to get online first
[08:37] <dr_willis> scizzo,  right and one of them say they work WITH the  wacom 'thinggy' :P from sourceforge.
[08:37] <dr_willis> scizzo,  reading the wiki now.. it has a lot of details.. :P stuff may of been updated.
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[08:39] <plasmix> hi mmm i have a problemn. im new to linux and im just installed 4.10
[08:39] <cyphase> lol
[08:39] <cyphase> plasmix, y didn't you just install 5.04
[08:39] <plasmix> im just wondering how i can connect to the internet with my ny dsl
[08:39] <plasmix> i dunno lol \ :)
[08:39] <pixil9> Ya i'd be installing 5.04 before anything :P
[08:39] <cyphase> yea
[08:40] <plasmix> :] 
[08:40] <pixil9> Can i enable ntfs writing ?
[08:40] <pixil9> I know i've put it into my kernel is debian before
[08:40] <Burgundavia> pixil9, you don't it is serious alpha crack
[08:40] <pixil9> in*
[08:40] <Burgundavia> pixil9, and very likely to break your ntfs parition
[08:40] <pixil9> o.
[08:40] <plasmix> how do i connect to the net using dsl with 4,10 anyway ~_~
[08:40] <Mestapheles> plug and go usually to get onto the net
[08:40] <plasmix> is there like a dsl dialer
[08:41] <donjohnson> i cant even find pppo
[08:41] <plasmix> pppoe thats wat i need lol
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[08:42] <donjohnson> think it missing this live cd
[08:42] <pixil9> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#rp-pppoe
[08:42] <ian> just a report: I upgraded to Hoary using Synaptic. the only problems were a non-booting kernel (the old one was in the list and works) and broken java in firefox.  also many things crashed when used (eg. system monitor applet) but only before a reboot.  after a reboot it all works great
[08:42] <plasmix> yeah i tried trhat. i have no compiler installed. no net to install it from lol
[08:43] <chx_> pixil9: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UniverseUnmetDeps I can see mplayer listed in here. :(
[08:43] <ian> I love the new screensaver password dialog!
[08:43] <pixil9> Well i don't get it chx_ it works gr8 for me lol
[08:43] <pixil9> try adding the marillat repository with unstable
[08:43] <pixil9> and woody
[08:43] <plasmix> doesnt anyone here has ubuntu with dsl? :S.
[08:44] <plasmix> or all dialup/cable users lol
[08:44] <pixil9> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat unstable main
[08:44] <pixil9> &
[08:44] <|QuaD-> UDU starting today?
[08:44] <pixil9> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat woody main
[08:44] <pixil9> then try
[08:44] <pixil9> I bet what you're lookin for is in unstable
[08:45] <ian> ...except I don't see why the password dialog has to show the countdown.  it should probably be hidden and the time remaining should be reset with each keystroke
[08:45] <pixil9> er no
[08:45] <pixil9> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat stable main
[08:45] <pixil9> i think
[08:45] <pixil9> no woddy
[08:45] <pixil9> woody
[08:45] <dr_willis> scizzo, well off to test this. :P lol
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[08:49] <pixil9> Anyone know a good radio applet besides gradio and gkrellmradio-plugin?
[08:49] <plasmix> help?
[08:49] <plasmix> ne1?
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[08:50] <pixil9> plasmix: i posted a link
[08:50] <pixil9> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#rp-pppoe
[08:50] <plasmix> i tried that =] 
[08:50] <pixil9> o.
[08:50] <pixil9> Well goto 5.04 first :P
[08:50] <plasmix> lol
[08:50] <plasmix> naybe lol
[08:50] <plasmix> maybe*
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[08:51] <pixil9> www.btefnet.net is amazing.
[08:51] <warlock74> alo
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[08:52] <plasmix> arrgghhhs\
[08:52] <plasmix> oeneiondgfugbrve
[08:52] <plasmix> ne1 here with adsl + ubuntu ?
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[08:53] <drcodedd2> Hi all
[08:53] <drcodedd2> I need some help
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[08:53] <drcodedd2> how can I put this line to the kernel?
[08:53] <drcodedd2>  append="hdc=ide-scsi"
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[08:53] <yfir> plasmix: me
[08:54] <plasmix> hhow u dialup
[08:54] <plasmix> i have a usb dsl modem :
[08:54] <yfir> i used pppoeconf. all automatic now
[08:54] <pixil9> oh well not shit.. your model probably isn't even detected :P
[08:54] <scizzo> downclimb: you do that with lilo or grub
[08:54] <pixil9> modem*
[08:54] <plasmix> nsh the modem is detected
[08:55] <plasmix> nah*
[08:55] <scizzo> drcodedd2: why would you want to do that?
[08:55] <plasmix> oklemme try pppoeconf
[08:55] <yfir> you could do it manually too
[08:55] <yfir> after that, the same old pon and poff are what you use to connect/disconnect
[08:56] <yfir> pon dsl-provider
[08:56] <yfir> for example
[08:56] <plasmix> mmm no it wont detect. i think its coz i have a usb dsl modem
[08:57] <plasmix> i mean device detects properly, but pppoeconf doesnt
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[08:57] <pixil9> plasmix I really think you should be using google... usb dsl ubuntu :P
[08:57] <plasmix> i think ill need to connect it to my network card
[08:57] <plasmix> lol
[08:57] <plasmix> but i dont have a network card. ill buy that tomorrow and see :
[08:58] <pixil9> xdslusb
[08:58] <pixil9> is it conexant?
[08:58] <pixil9> Some of the supported modems are 3Com 3CP4218, Zoom 5510 and Zyxel 630-11.
[08:58] <pixil9> apt-get install xdslusb
[08:59] <plasmix> i have a dlink 200 usb modem
[08:59] <pixil9> I dunno
[08:59] <pixil9> you could try it
[08:59] <pixil9> or drdsl
[09:00] <pixil9> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-13438.html
[09:00] <plasmix> ok ill check it out
[09:00] <pixil9> that link
[09:00] <pixil9> looks like it shows ya how
[09:01] <pixil9> http://home.pacific.net.au/~twhitema/linux_adsl.htm
[09:01] <pixil9> looks fun :P
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[09:02] <b2s> there was some discussion on the ubuntu mailing lists about disabling the insert key, but I didn't see actual instructions.  does anyone know how to do that?
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[09:08] <pixil9> chx_, U get it working?
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[09:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> does anyone know how to point an installer to gcc3.3 instead of gcc4?
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[09:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> not having much success searching the forums
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[09:12] <chx_> pixil9: no, I am adding deb-src and will apt-get -b
[09:12] <chx_> pixil9: and even that fails. Unable to find a source package for ffmpeg2
[09:13] <chx_> damn :(
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[09:14] <chx_> I am fed up.  cvs -z9 -d:pserver:anonymous@mplayerhq.hu:/cvsroot/ffmpeg co ffmpeg . damn!
[09:15] <domtar> whats the system requirements for ubuntu? my comp is kinda old...
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[09:16] <guruff> hello; my firefox is damn slow rendering stuff, each time i open new page i got almos 100% procesor use, then after couple of seconds i see the page - any ideass ? i have read posts about speeding up ffx but none of them resolves this problem
[09:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> domtar pentium
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[09:16] <ian> guruff: what speed cpu?
[09:16] <guruff> ian; 700Mhz P3
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[09:17] <ian> guruff: is text rendering slow in other apps?
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[09:17] <guruff> ian; yes; midnight commander in any term on X is slow
[09:18] <guruff> ian; those two i have noticed; maby other apps are slow, but i can't compare
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[09:20] <guruff> ian; have similar problem to http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-8170.html; just foind it reading
[09:20] <pixil9> chx_, Paste your sources.list to pastebin.com
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[09:21] <guruff> ian; one more app anjuta is sloooooow scrolling text, dam slow kills procesor when i scroll down
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[09:23] <pixil9> chx_, I don't get it.. I don't even have ffmpeg installed and mplayer works gr7.
[09:23] <melita> hi
[09:23] <pixil9> gr8.
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[09:24] <Raskall> I am so royally screwed now. A potential employer has requested my CV and my system has crashed. It gives loads of "Unable to load interpreter /lib/ld-linux.so.2" during boot and hangs. Cant boot recovery mode either.
[09:24] <Raskall> Is there a way to fix this without reinstalling?
[09:25] <|QuaD-> Raskall: boot into a livecd
[09:25] <melita> root@ubuntu:/ # mount /dev/hda1
[09:25] <melita> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda1,
[09:25] <melita>        or too many mounted file systems
[09:25] <melita> root@ubuntu:/ # mount /mnt/hda1
[09:25] <melita> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda1,
[09:25] <melita>        or too many mounted file system
[09:25] <pixil9> melita: mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /wherethefuckuwant
[09:25] <pixil9> I'm assuming ntfs.
[09:25] <melita> well i have a linux partition
[09:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> ...
[09:26] <melita> ext3
[09:26] <pixil9> mount -t ext3
[09:26] <pixil9> i think
[09:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> melita, you still havent told us the problem
[09:26] <scizzo> melita: sounds like it is already mounted
[09:26] <Raskall> |QuaD-: then I have to download it first. Have noe time for that, really. I have tried copying /lib/ld* from my server to my laptop, but no luck.
[09:26] <revelater> is there some sort of a simple image browser i can use?
[09:26] <pixil9> You're wasting time now by not downloading it.
[09:26] <melita> well i have to mount a partition where i need to put my new linux
[09:27] <pixil9> well mount -t ext3 /dev/hda1 /
[09:27] <pixil9> ?
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[09:27] <ptlo> melita: did you create a filesystem there (ie. "formatted" it)?
[09:27] <|QuaD-> Raskall: copy your cv from laptop to server?
[09:27] <pixil9> ya with mke2fs
[09:27] <revelater> is there some sort of a simple image browser i can use???
[09:27] <melita> mount -t ext2 /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1  i did with tha
[09:27] <pixil9> revelater: gthumb/.
[09:27] <Raskall> |QuaD-: I haven't gotten the install either, since I installed an early hoary and has just apt-get upgraded up til now. The day I ordered the hoary cds I tossed my hoary cd
[09:27] <|QuaD-> revelater: i like fspot
[09:27] <melita> i did it
[09:27] <melita> mac helpedm me
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[09:27] <Raskall> |QuaD-: I need to edit it first and has no gui stuff on the server.
[09:28] <|QuaD-> Raskall: heh, don't know what to tell ya
[09:28] <Raskall> |QuaD-: I have all my data on the server, so a reinstall wouldn't be a problem if I wasn't in a hurry.
[09:29] <Raskall> hmm.. maybe download openoffice for windows and borrow my daughters computer?
[09:29] <Raskall> may be the quickest way.
[09:29] <Raskall> I just love open source software. :)
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[09:31] <IIIEars> Hello!
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[09:32] <revelater> i got the gamma way too high in x, how do i change?
[09:33] <IIIEars> It's benn pretty quiet here and I am kinda new - sry
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[09:33] <Raskall> |QuaD-: but now I dread that my server has the same problem too if it got there via a update from ubuntu.
[09:33] <revelater> i got the gamma way too high in x, how do i change?
[09:33] <revelater> ???
[09:34] <Raskall> but probably it's the compilation and installation of the orinoco-driver thats the culprit.
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[09:35] <revelater> oops, back to earlier Q, how do i change my coloring configuration in x?
[09:36] <revelater> ????
[09:36] <runge> hi, I am having problem fallowing ldap-instllation of a client in ubuntu (im new to ubuntu). apt-get cant find libpam-ldap and libnss-ldap
[09:36] <revelater> oops, back to earlier Q, how do i change my coloring configuration in x?
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[09:37] <revelater> ????????????/
[09:37] <fragspaz> hey
[09:37] <revelater> hi
[09:37] <runge> I am using http://craige.mcwhirter.com.au/blog/archive/2005/01/17/making_a_debian_or_ubuntu_mach and the ver is horay
[09:37] <revelater> ...
[09:38] <fragspaz> i am having trouble getting NDISWRAPPER to compile.... so i realised there was already a ndis package that comes with ubuntu, so i installed that.... but im having trouble installing the win driver for it
[09:38] <melita> my ubuntu does not have support for ext3
[09:38] <melita> why??
[09:38] <fragspaz> invalid driver
[09:38] <melita> i have a live distribution
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[09:38] <fragspaz> how do i get a INF file?
[09:38] <neighborlee> melita, ext3 is the default FS
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[09:39] <fragspaz> i only have the insdtallable WINXP .zip extracter (in the form of an EXE)
[09:39] <fragspaz> so im confused... where is the inf file?
[09:39] <melita> what?? no
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[09:40] <trans_err> ntpdate won't sync with any ntp servers
[09:40] <trans_err> any ideas?
[09:40] <melita> i wana make ext3 partition and modprobe ext3 gets me this FATAL: Module ext3 not found.
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[09:40] <neighborlee> revelater, GUI wise I dont know of one but you can always edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf ;-) ( change deafult of '24' to what you want...( assuming that is what you meant )
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[09:40] <trans_err> it complains no server suitable for synchronization found
[09:41] <revelater> sorry, someone just posted something for me and i accidently quit again... didn't get a chance to see...
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[09:41] <neighborlee> melita, not sure thats even possible with livecd..anyway est3 faik is n ot a module its built into kernel
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[09:41] <neighborlee> revelater, GUI wise I dont know of one but you can always edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf ;-) ( change deafult of '24' to what you want...( assuming that is what you meant )
[09:41] <melita> relly i didnt know that
[09:41] <revelater> neighborlee: what i mean is the gamma is up too high
[09:42] <revelater> neighborlee: or something along those lines, the white is WAY overpowering everything else
[09:42] <revelater> neighborlee: didn't start happening until i tried to install diablo 2...
[09:43] <revelater> sigh
[09:43] <fragspaz> haha, look at how popular #windows is
[09:43] <fragspaz> :P
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[09:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> fragspaz ;) lol
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[09:50] <IIIEars> revelator - was it the link to http://www.craig.whirter.com  ?
[09:50] <|QuaD-> anyone here familiar with chkrootkit? i have 2 weird messages, i want to know what they mean. anyone care to help
[09:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> what are they?
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[09:51] <IIIEars> er http://www.craige.whirter.com
[09:51] <|QuaD-> Checking `sniffer'... lo: not promisc and no packet sniffer sockets
[09:51] <|QuaD-> eth0: PACKET SNIFFER(/sbin/dhclient3[6109] )
[09:51] <|QuaD-> yjsyd pmr
[09:51] <|QuaD-> *thats one
[09:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> LOL
[09:51] <neighborlee> yikes ;-)...crashed when trying to mess with screensaver....
[09:51] <|QuaD-> i don't think dhclient3 is a packetsniffer
[09:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> quad not exactly sure.
[09:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> no its not
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[09:52] <|QuaD-> Kamping_Kaiser: haha, i know what it is
[09:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> promisc is your cards doing shit they shouldent. dont remember exactly
[09:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> ? tell
[09:52] <|QuaD-> Checking `bindshell'... INFECTED (PORTS:  5190)
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[09:52] <|QuaD-> Kamping_Kaiser: promiscous isn't definitely bad
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[09:53] <|QuaD-> i put my ethernet card in promiscous mode when i want to capture packets
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[09:53] <ian> Kamping_Kaiser: promisc just means it's accepting packets not addressed to it
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[09:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> thanks ian.
[09:53] <|QuaD-> ian: yeah
[09:53] <ian> either that or it's sleeping around
[09:53] <IIIEars> lol
[09:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> how can you throttle a process to use a certain amount of cpu?
[09:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[09:54] <stevenj> 1 question about Nvidia Glx - I dont play games so I do need to install glx and change from 'n' to 'Nvidia' or not to install glx and change from 'n' to 'nvidia'? thanks
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[09:54] <ian> Kamping_Kaiser: not sure you can lock it to a %, but you can 'renice' it to a high number
[09:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok. thanks ian
[09:54] <stevenj> + I am using the 686 kernel
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[09:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> stevenj im not sure what your talking about at the end there
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[09:55] <ian> stevenj: if performance is acceptable now, you don't have to do anything
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[09:56] <pvanhoof> Kamping_Kaiser, if you write a small program like int main (){ while (1); }, your kernel will have to give it a lot timeslices on the CPU that are all very bound to the CPU (very few (or actually no) interrupts, and also of course (therefor) no I/O)
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[09:56] <pvanhoof> Kamping_Kaiser, if you then give it a low nice value .. your kernel will give it larger timeslices
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[09:57] <pvanhoof> so it will then consume more % cpu
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[09:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. ok
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[09:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> its just im running seti@home, and its using as much of the cpu as it can, which means all
[09:57] <pvanhoof> but lowering the nice value of a I/O bound process wont give the effect of a high % cpu usage
[09:57] <ian> note: only if other programs want the CPU.  otherwise it will take ~100% either way :)
[09:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[09:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> and doesnt throttle its self properly
[09:58] <ian> for seti I suggest you renice to 20
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[09:59] <pvanhoof> Kamping_Kaiser, the linux kernel is preemtive. this means that it will preemt processes after a certain timeslice happened. Using "nice" you can define how many times per certain frequency the kernel will put the process in favor of the others (so it will get more timeslices)
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[09:59] <pvanhoof> or .. it gives a larger timeslice
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[10:00] <x_> why do i get "kernel panic , unable to find dev/console " ?
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[10:00] <ian> Kamping_Kaiser: although really I suggest you not run seti, as it wastes electricity :)
[10:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[10:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> ill live
[10:01] <IIIEars> you are mean - grin
[10:01] <stevenj> Kamping_Kaiser, just reading the ubuntu forums and alot of post about installing the Nvidia glx package-I am asking if this (glx) speeds performace in 2D or just basic desktop operations or is glx (3D) only for game performance?
[10:01] <ian> Kamping_Kaiser: if electricity cost included environmental damage from the power plant, it would only be you who had to deal with it.. ;)
[10:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> its for anything with opengl
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[10:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> :S yeh. but it does.
[10:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> bbl
[10:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> ;)
[10:02] <IIIEars> kinda new to linux - using a printserver is it possible to check toner levels for an HP printer?
[10:03] <ian> stevenj: I suspect it's slightly faster at 2D and of course significantly faster at 3D
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[10:03] <shinu> which of the mplayer packages available on mutliverse should i be using?
[10:03] <shinu> there is nogui,k6,custom,386...
[10:04] <MrMiaow> anyone seen ajmitch today?
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[10:05] <stevenj> ian, thanks
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[10:06] <venkman> i love netbeans
[10:07] <venkman> cntrl-z cntrl-z....CRASH
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[10:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> where are the NTP config files?
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[10:08] <runge> hi, is there any ldap-client install howto? (cant find libpam-ldap (apt-get install libnss-ldap libpam-ldap))
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[10:09] <IIIEars> runge - craige.whirter.com
[10:10] <runge> I am using http://craige.mcwhirter.com.au/blog/archive/2005/01/17/making_a_debian_or_ubuntu_mach
[10:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> how do you restart the sound server? im not sure which im using
[10:10] <fragspaz> brb, attempt to install my drivers
[10:10] <IIIEars> ah thats it
[10:10] <runge> cant' find the libpam-ldap an libnss files
[10:10] <runge> IIIEars, I dont know why I cant find them, seams that everybody expects them to be there
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[10:11] <IIIEars> er - if you where interested i am a new linux user.
[10:11] <runge> hehe ok, thanks for trying IIIEars  :)
[10:11] <IIIEars> just curious about how things work i don't use the same live cd at work.
[10:12] <runge> ok
[10:13] <IIIEars> someone is using my box as a proxy for something - lol - lot's of cd spinning and fan no desktop.
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[10:15] <IIIEars> is there anything interesting i can do with "Helix"?
[10:15] <runge> are there docs on how to change repositories to debian ones?
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[10:19] <IIIEars> any help with my question on checking on my printserver's toner level?
[10:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> i think there are some packages you need to install
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[10:22] <MrMiaow> whats the correct way (something that will survive upgrade) to add extra routes at boot time?
[10:22] <fragspaz> has anyone here had any experience with NDISWRAPPER?
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[10:27] <IIIEars> << opens printer chases away spider and peers in.
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[10:29] <plattypus1> Evenin' all. Has anyone here heard of any issues with Ubuntu 5.04 and SDL?
[10:29] <IIIEars> is there an irc command that will hide most or all of my info?
[10:29] <pixil9> What are you runnin platty?
[10:30] <plattypus1> Sadly enough, a PII 233 with 180MB of RAM.
[10:30] <pixil9> i mean what program that uses SDL
[10:30] <IIIEars> perfect for irc
[10:30] <plattypus1> Any of 'em. Games, but anything that touches SDL don't run.
[10:31] <pixil9> plattypus1, You have the proper X driver installed and Load SDL in your xorg.conf ?
[10:31] <plattypus1> Load sdl ? *didn't know that was necessary, didn't do it under Gentoo*
[10:31] <pixil9> actually i donlt think its load sdl
[10:31] <pixil9> dont
[10:31] <pixil9> what's wrong with opengl?
[10:32] <plattypus1> Besides the fact that I have a 4 MB video card and no processor to spare? The fact that the games I want happen to use SDL.
[10:32] <pixil9> ah
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[10:32] <pixil9> I'm guessin it has somethin to do with the vid driver..
[10:32] <plattypus1> Here ya go: This is what's wrong. Framerates in glxgears. 25, 22, and 28. :)
[10:32] <pixil9> I can play ut99 with sdl
[10:33] <rejzer> what do I do if mkinitrd refuces to make a initrd.img***** ? can I boot without it?
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[10:34] <plattypus1> rejzer, I know there's a way to do so but I've found Ubuntu to be very, very, very picky about it's boot processes and initrd's.
[10:35] <rejzer> my computer complains about missing lvm device and refucces, and I need to change from 386 to k7 (lots of ram)
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[10:37] <warty> I need help
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[10:37] <warty> how can i access my floppy drive or hard drive
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[10:37] <warty> i need to copy some files over
[10:37] <warty> usig ubuntu live cd i am
[10:37] <Q_Continuum> mmmkay peoples...need your help.  what's a good video player for ubuntu that works with most anything?  Totem movie player aborts on start with "Totem could not start up.  Resource not available."
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[10:38] <warty> how can i access my floppy drive or hard drive? I need to copy some files across and it wont let me im using ubuntu live cd
[10:39] <holycow> *blink*
[10:39] <holycow> hey
[10:39] <holycow> i finished the internet
[10:39] <holycow> here look:
[10:39] <holycow> http://www.shibumi.org/eoti.htm
[10:39] <holycow> yey me
[10:39] <Q_Continuum> lol
[10:39] <warty> ..
[10:39] <warty> lol
[10:40] <IIIEars> holycow - Don't you ever sleep?
[10:40] <Q_Continuum> a good video player that I can add stuff to play anything would be great.
[10:40] <warty> plz help me
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[10:40] <AMCDeathKnight> thats better
[10:40] <holycow> IIIEars, hehe
[10:40] <AMCDeathKnight> how can i access my floppy drive or hard drive? I need to copy some files across and it wont let me im using ubuntu live cd
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[10:40] <pixil9> warty: mount /mnt/floppy0
[10:41] <AMCDeathKnight> thx
[10:41] <pixil9> as for a hard drive.. mkdir /mnt/hd0
[10:41] <pixil9> mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /mnt/hd0
[10:41] <pixil9> adjust that accordingly..
[10:41] <AMCDeathKnight> its appearing in the gui under disks
[10:41] <AMCDeathKnight> i just have no permission
[10:42] <pixil9> the floppy?
[10:42] <pixil9> or hd?
[10:42] <AMCDeathKnight> hard drive
[10:42] <AMCDeathKnight> hda1
[10:42] <holycow> sudo fdisk -l should give you the partition info
[10:42] <pixil9> ya
[10:42] <holycow> AMCDeathKnight, use sudo in front
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[10:42] <pixil9> /dev/hda1       /winxp          ntfs    umask=0222,rw 0 0
[10:42] <pixil9> I put that in /etc/fstab
[10:42] <pixil9> umask=0222 makes it so all users can read
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[10:43] <AMCDeathKnight> im new and this is confusing
[10:43] <AMCDeathKnight> root terminal
[10:43] <AMCDeathKnight> right?
[10:43] <pixil9> AMCDeathKnight, Ok. sudo pico /etc/fstab
[10:43] <pixil9> in terminal
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[10:43] <Q_Continuum> *installs gxine per irc.mozilla.org#bs's instructions*
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[10:43] <pixil9> do you see your other windows partition?
[10:43] <shinu_> is nano the same as pico?
[10:43] <pixil9> nano is stripped down version of pico basically
[10:43] <cikilin> how i transform warty to hoary?
[10:43] <AMCDeathKnight> i done:  sudo pico /etc/fstab
[10:43] <shinu_> ok
[10:44] <AMCDeathKnight> it brought up a congif file
[10:44] <pixil9> AMCDeathKnight, What is the last line?
[10:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> cikilin with apt-get
[10:44] <pixil9> select it.. right click copy
[10:44] <AMCDeathKnight> "/cdrom1 /cdrom1 supermount auto,user,fs=auto,dev=/dev/cdrom1
[10:44] <AMCDeathKnight> "
[10:44] <pixil9> then paste here
[10:44] <pixil9> ok
[10:44] <holycow> Kamping_Kaiser, actually i don't really think thats possible ... cleanly
[10:44] <pixil9> Do you know your windows partition?
[10:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> cickilin, change your sources.list, so all the "warty"s are "hoary", hten go
[10:44] <AMCDeathKnight> ntfs
[10:44] <holycow> cikilin, i would recommend reinstalling
[10:44] <AMCDeathKnight> winxp pro
[10:44] <pixil9> I mean the device
[10:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> apt-get update
[10:44] <pixil9> Did you dual boot?
[10:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> then apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:44] <holycow> if you do what Kamping_Kaiser says, you will seriously fuck up your system
[10:44] <AMCDeathKnight> no im using live cd
[10:45] <pixil9> Oh ok it'll be /dev/hda1
[10:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> holycow. i did it
[10:45] <holycow> Kamping_Kaiser, i dare you to try it :)
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[10:45] <holycow> i don't believe you, hehe :)
[10:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> and i did it again to breezy
[10:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[10:45] <holycow> how did apt downgrade it self?
[10:45] <pixil9> add /dev/hda1 /mnt/hd0 ntfs umask=0222,rw 0 0
[10:45] <pixil9> to the last line
[10:45] <amichai> what is the gnome.desktop file that should be in xsessions?
[10:45] <pixil9> hit ctrl-x
[10:45] <pixil9> yes
[10:45] <amichai> just gnome.desktop?
[10:45] <pixil9> then mkdir /mnt/hd0
[10:45] <pixil9> then mount -a
[10:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> upgrade itself? i dont know ;)
[10:45] <cikilin> so.........?
[10:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> but im running breezy
[10:45] <AMCDeathKnight> i done:  stop talking, to fast
[10:45] <AMCDeathKnight> lol
[10:46] <holycow> cikilin, well just make sure you have backup of your data, i would strongly recommend reinstalling from scratch
[10:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[10:46] <cikilin> holycow: how?
[10:46] <pixil9> ok you typed all that?
[10:46] <holycow> use the original installer?
[10:46] <cikilin> i have only warty cd
[10:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> holycow. upgrade the entire system is just like upgrading a few files
[10:47] <holycow> what? *scroll* *scroll*
[10:47] <AMCDeathKnight> "mkdir: cannot create directory `/mnt/hd0': Permission denied
[10:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> just more of them
[10:47] <AMCDeathKnight> "
[10:47] <IIIEars> runge - i need a desktop - going to reboot soon.
[10:47] <holycow> oh UPGRADE!!!!
[10:47] <holycow> haha
[10:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> holycow. :)
[10:47] <pixil9> Anyone know how to add a mount to Places --> Computer
[10:47] <holycow> cikilin, nm, i thought you wanted to DOWNGRADE for some reason
[10:47] <holycow> yes wht Kamping_Kaiser said is correct
[10:47] <holycow> i need a stiff drink
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[10:48] <holycow> lol :)
[10:48] <holycow> sorry!
[10:48] <runge> IIIEars, huh?
[10:48] <cikilin> the sudo apt-get upgrade?
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[10:48] <pixil9> oh fuck you're on livecd.. you can't edit your fstab
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[10:48] <pixil9> lol
[10:48] <holycow> *nod* and changing your sources.list file
[10:48] <AMCDeathKnight> oh
[10:48] <AMCDeathKnight> so there is no way
[10:48] <pixil9> just cut and paste this: mkdir /mnt/hd0 ; mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /mnt/hd0
[10:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> cikilin.
[10:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> vi /etc/apt/sources.lst
[10:48] <AMCDeathKnight> as i cant use my internet in wondpws
[10:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> and im off to eat, so have fun with holycow ;) bll
[10:49] <cikilin> i dont get it yet
[10:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> *bbl
[10:49] <AMCDeathKnight> "mount: /dev/hda1 already mounted or /mnt/hd0 busy
[10:49] <AMCDeathKnight> mount: according to mtab, /dev/hda1 is mounted on /mnt/hda1"
[10:49] <pixil9> oh
[10:49] <pixil9> ok
[10:49] <pixil9> lol
[10:49] <pixil9> I've never used livecd
[10:49] <AMCDeathKnight> ok..
[10:49] <amichai> how do i get breezy?
[10:50] <pixil9> just goto the top.. Places --> Computer --> Filesystem -->  mnt --> hda1
[10:50] <IIIEars> pixil - the live CD is made for IRC
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[10:50] <pixil9> no it's not
[10:50] <IIIEars> no reason to have your HD install hacked.
[10:50] <pixil9> It browses the web reads email
[10:50] <pixil9> etc lol
[10:51] <AMCDeathKnight> ok im in hda1
[10:51] <IIIEars> better if your HD is empty
[10:51] <AMCDeathKnight> what not
[10:51] <AMCDeathKnight> *now
[10:51] <pixil9> AMCDeathKnight, Well wtf do you wanna do?
[10:51] <pixil9> lol
[10:51] <AMCDeathKnight> "The destination drive is read only"
[10:51] <AMCDeathKnight> copy to it
[10:51] <pixil9> ah
[10:51] <pixil9> you can't.
[10:51] <AMCDeathKnight> i needsome files
[10:51] <pixil9> no write ntfs support
[10:51] <AMCDeathKnight> aw
[10:51] <AMCDeathKnight> fuk
[10:51] <cikilin> how i transform warty to hoary?step by step please
[10:51] <pixil9> You can copy from it..
[10:51] <pixil9> But you're running off a cd
[10:51] <pixil9> so ya..
[10:51] <AMCDeathKnight> ffs
[10:52] <pixil9> What do you need to do?
[10:52] <AMCDeathKnight> internet doesnt work in windows, and i need some files to windows
[10:52] <pixil9> o.
[10:52] <pixil9> Well
[10:52] <pixil9> What if you download the net driver to a floppy?
[10:52] <pixil9> Most nics have a floppy sized driver
[10:52] <AMCDeathKnight> nics?
[10:53] <pixil9> ethernet cards
[10:53] <pixil9> your internet card lol
[10:53] <AMCDeathKnight> oh yeh, i have tried that
[10:53] <guruff> hello i have problem with ubuntu hoary (p3 700, 300Mbram); firefox renders pages slow eating all procesor, anjuta scrolls text very slow... any ideas what to do with this?
[10:53] <AMCDeathKnight> when willl hoary get sent to, im waiting to be shipped the cds
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[10:54] <cikilin> how i transform warty to hoary step by step please
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[10:56] <larsrohdin> hi, if I use the command ps... how can i see which process is using the most memory?
[10:56] <wdh> larsrohdin, us top :)
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[10:56] <wdh> s/us/use
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[10:57] <spiral> hi
[10:57] <pixil9> larsrohdin, applications --> system tools --> System Monitor
[10:57] <pixil9> or from console type top
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[10:57] <larsrohdin> wdh, yeah look at that=) thanks
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[10:58] <spiral> hmm... I'm going to install ubuntu, but I need to be able to install gcc without the net after the install... I've got to build my own kernel to get network working...
[10:58] <spiral> could anyone here help me to get all the necessaries .debs in order to install gcc & his deps ?
[10:59] <IIIEars> spiral - make a backup copy of it if you plan to spend time on IRC okay?
[10:59] <larsrohdin> top
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[10:59] <larsrohdin> no, that wasn't supposed to be there....
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[10:59] <spiral> IIIEars: ?
[11:00] <IIIEars> backup your kernal on seperate media
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[11:00] <spiral> IIIEars: mine actual kernel ? it's a SuSE kernel... And I wanna change
[11:01] <magnon> hey, I have a CF card that got corrupted (the filesystem, not physically). I used dd to make an image of the file, and I want to try and reconstruct the lost files - can anyone help me on that?
[11:01] <pixil9> Spiral: let me check
[11:01] <spiral> pixil9: all right, thanks
[11:01] <pixil9> What version of gcc?
[11:01] <spiral> should I use a kernel.org kernel or linux-source package ?
[11:01] <pixil9> 3.3?
[11:01] <shinu_> need to go to school bbl. :D
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[11:02] <spiral> pixil9: whichever should be able to build the kernel, 3.3 for example
[11:02] <pixil9> How are you gonna get them on if the nic is fucked?
[11:02] <IIIEars> << shutting down in 10
[11:02] <Q_Continuum> where's the sources file again...? (can't remember)
[11:02] <spiral> Q_Continuum: /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:02] <terry97> /etc/apt
[11:03] <Q_Continuum> mmmkay danka.
[11:03] <spiral> pixil9: on another partition, my /home for example
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[11:04] <spiral> pixil9: that's why I need to sort the deps problems myself and not apt
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[11:07] <pixil9> Are you in windows now?
[11:07] <pixil9> Doesn't ubuntu come with gcc anyway
[11:07] <IIIEars> magnon - grab a copy of "Helix" Forensics
[11:08] <IIIEars> magnon - did you get that? - i can't IM you at the moment.
[11:09] <spiral> pixil9: I'm in SuSE now
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[11:10] <spiral> pixil9: no... it's not installed with the cd I think
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[11:11] <pixil9> i think it is
[11:11] <pixil9> I never had to install it
[11:11] <pixil9> unless it ran apt-get after the install i can't remember :(
[11:12] <IIIEars> << bye
[11:13] <spiral> all right... I'll try...
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[11:13] <spiral> I've got some files from gcc, and I think the wifi works...
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[11:14] <Sphere`w> does anyone know wich command starts the programm under: computer->system configuration->networking
[11:15] <Sphere`w> my start menu disappeared
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[11:15] <drcodedd2> Hi alkl
[11:15] <drcodedd2> all
[11:15] <drcodedd2> I need some help
[11:15] <drcodedd2> with kernel
[11:15] <drcodedd2> when I do lsmod I see:"
[11:16] <drcodedd2> ide_core              118988  6 ide_tape,ide_scsi,ide_cd,ide_generic,v
[11:16] <drcodedd2> I want to remove the load of ide_tape
[11:16] <drcodedd2> any idea?
[11:17] <spiral> go...
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[11:35] <jubei> I'm having trouble getting evdev mouse input to work with xorg on ubuntu.
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[11:39] <bleezy> hello
[11:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi mate
[11:39] <bleezy> how do i upgrade gaim ??
[11:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> apt-get update gaim
[11:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> *
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[11:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> apt-get install gaim
[11:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> no its the first ;)
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[11:41] <bleezy> thats sux i cant have there pic on it :(
[11:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> ?
[11:41] <bleezy> yahoo msngr you can see ther pic on the window
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[11:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> yp.
[11:42] <carambol> apt-get install gaim is the right one
[11:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> havent used the yahoo part of gaim
[11:42] <bleezy> i now it says i got newest 1
[11:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> what do you have?
[11:43] <daile> hey all, do you know if there is any latex editor for Gnome, Kile is good, but it's for KDE and I don't want to install extra KDE packages
[11:43] <bleezy> newest gaim
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[11:43] <psi-> hi, I'm trying to boot ubuntu kernel (2.6.10-5-K7-smp), but am having trouble. It seems that it doesn't find hda5 (my root). I'm using udev, and other kernels (self-compiled) boot just fine.
[11:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> i dont know anyone with yahoo, or i could try and help
[11:44] <Seveas> daile, gedit?
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[11:44] <jubei> how come udev isnt registering /dev/input/event2 for my mouse?
[11:45] <daile> Seveas, yeah, it's alright, but it doesn't have so much support, for example, symbol insertion or auto completion like Kile
[11:45] <bleezy> can i get java via get
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[11:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> psi. are you using hte ubuntu one, or a universe one?
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[11:46] <bleezy> can i get java via apt-get
[11:46] <cens0red> bleezy I asked that question too.
[11:46] <psi-> Kamping_Kaiser, udev? it's 0.056-2ubuntu1 from breezy/main
[11:47] <bleezy> and ?
[11:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> the kernel
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[11:47] <cens0red> the answer was "well you're best off getting it from Sun, or Blackdown, et al."
[11:47] <Delph> never get it from blackdown
[11:47] <Delph> get it from sun.
[11:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh
[11:47] <cens0red> Delph is that so?
[11:47] <bleezy> cens0red,  and never getting it installed great
[11:48] <cens0red> not arguing with you, but what's wrong with blackdown?
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[11:48] <Delph> cens0red: 'why bother' is the basic reason?
[11:48] <nydust> Where can i get a list of supported printers?
[11:48] <bleezy> limewire
[11:48] <Delph> blackdown were the linux port of sun's jvm ,right?
[11:48] <saw27> Sphere`w: network-admin
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[11:48] <psi-> Kamping_Kaiser,  kernel is 2.6.10-34 from breezy/main
[11:48] <Delph> but sun now support their own java on linux.
[11:49] <cens0red> bleezy I had the rpm from Sun, left over from when I used mandrake linux. I used alien to convert that rpm into a .deb file. It works fine.
[11:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> psi. its just i have been having issues with teh latest smp kernel, but im on a p4
[11:49] <Delph> cens0red: does ubuntu have anything resembeling 'java-package' ?
[11:50] <cens0red> Delph not sure what "java_package" is.
[11:50] <psi-> java-package is in multiverse
[11:50] <Delph> ha.
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[11:51] <shining_> isnt breezy supposed to be bleeding edge?
[11:51] <Delph> yeah; as soon as ubuntu either work out what's going to happen to java packages, or that package gets moved a bit closer to the center of ubuntu, then you might want to start considering packages of java. Till then, dump it in /opt
[11:51] <bleezy> cens0red,  gona try now :)
[11:51] <psi-> Kamping_Kaiser,  ok, thanks.
[11:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> sorry
[11:52] <Delph> especially since there's a tar.gz package, I wouldn't touch the rpms.
[11:52] <pixil9> shining_, It's the next release of ubuntu under development
[11:52] <shining_> pixil9: it means yes or no?
[11:54] <shining_> ...
[11:54] <cens0red> bleezy if you get it installed, remember to alter your /etc/bash.bashrc file so it adds the $JAVA_HOME variable. The instructions for that are at ubuntuguide.org.
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[11:55] <bleezy> cens0red,  forget it to hard :(
[11:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[11:55] <bleezy> been working on gentoo for to long :(
[11:55] <cens0red> k.
[11:55] <bleezy> gentoo is evil
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[11:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> dist upgrading to breezy is easy
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[11:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol yeh
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[11:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> i think because its ubuntus main competition
[11:56] <cens0red> Kamping_Kaiser competition?
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[11:57] <bleezy> can i apt-get any p2p  ??
[11:57] <cens0red> I don't know, but my impression is that ubuntu is aimed primarily at desktop
[11:57] <membreya> anyone here successfully established wu-ftpd with anon access?
[11:57] <cens0red> whereas, though I've never tried it, gentoo is more hardcore. For serious hackers. RTFM, etc.
[11:57] <shining_> cens0red: because gentoo isnt?
[11:57] <shining_> cens0red: huh
[11:58] <cens0red> am I suffering from a false impression?
[11:58] <shining_> cens0red: totally
[11:58] <bleezy> gentoo is more for anything you can set everything up down to the nidy gridy
[11:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> cens0red. i think thats how they like to think of themselfs ;)
[11:58] <Daehlie> are there any *working* slsknet clients for ubuntu
[11:59] <fragspaz> does ubuntu come with the kernel SRC?
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[11:59] <bleezy> can i apt-get any p2p  ??
[11:59] <pixil9> I'd rather use freebsd than gentoo
[11:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> ouch
[11:59] <shining_> pixil9: they have the same goal?
[12:00] <bleezy> i just heard it was best linux distro for gaming
[12:00] <bleezy> what a pain
[12:00] <pixil9> gentoo is the bsd of linux
[12:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> no. they are from differnt backgrounds
[12:00] <pixil9> stole ports and made portage
[12:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh. thats fair enough ;)
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[12:00] <fragspaz> does ubuntu come with the kernel SRC????
[12:00] <shining_> yes sure
[12:00] <fragspaz> it comes?
[12:00] <fragspaz> i cannot find it
[12:01] <shining_> fragspaz: I didnt answer ur question :p
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[12:01] <fragspaz> can you?
[12:01] <bleezy> can i apt-get any p2p  ??
[12:01] <shining_> fragspaz: you can get the source and compile your kernel
[12:02] <shining_> bleezy: of course
[12:02] <bleezy> can you please name 1
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[12:03] <aidan> hello... i'm trying to set up nat/masq i'm doing: iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE ; echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward... eth0 is the internet device and eth1 is the lan device... but i don't get internet on the lan :(
[12:04] <cens0red> bleezy gift
[12:04] <bleezy> ty
[12:04] <bleezy> cens0red,  nope
[12:04] <cens0red> nope?
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[12:04] <bleezy> Couldn't find package gift
[12:05] <shining_> bleezy: search for peer or sharing
[12:05] <shining_> bleezy: and u'll find some
[12:05] <fragspaz> @shining: src of kernel is on the CD?
[12:05] <shining_> fragspaz: ho you don't have the net
[12:05] <cens0red> bleezy did you do an $ apt-cache search gift ? When I do that I get a tonne of results
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[12:06] <shining_> fragspaz: search with apt-cache or synaptic
[12:07] <bleezy> cens0red,  i dont understand
[12:07] <shining_> fragspaz: linux-source or kernel-source
[12:07] <bleezy> are we talking about the console
[12:07] <shining_> bleezy: guess
[12:07] <fragspaz> ahh, thx, i searched for kernel but voudlnt find it
[12:07] <fragspaz> thx
[12:07] <bleezy> root
[12:07] <bleezy> conle
[12:07] <bleezy> console
[12:07] <shining_> you can search as user too
[12:08] <cens0red> bleezy yup console. Do u have your repositories set up?
[12:08] <bleezy> kmrml - A Konqueror plugin for searching pictures
[12:08] <bleezy> thats what i got
[12:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> if you dl the src debs, do they extract into /src?
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[12:09] <cens0red> bleezy Do u have your repositories set up?
[12:10] <bleezy> dunno what those are
[12:10] <shining_> bleezy: probably not
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[12:10] <shining_> bleezy: enable them from synaptic
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[12:10] <cens0red> bleezy you need to go to ubuntuguide.org and start from the top pretty much.
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[12:11] <bleezy> i am going to cry
[12:11] <shining_> do
[12:11] <bleezy> i cant learn this and gentoo same time
[12:11] <stevenj> does changing your computer name make any difference? I am just on a cable connection
[12:11] <shining_> bleezy: huh
[12:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> stevenj yes
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[12:11] <bleezy> im installing gentoo on my amd64
[12:12] <bleezy> and on ibook
[12:12] <GoneBoB> why oh why
[12:12] <shining_> bleezy: and?
[12:12] <bleezy> to play 1st person games
[12:12] <bleezy> and i cant learn this 1 too
[12:12] <bleezy> just brain pains
[12:12] <shining_> bleezy: you really don't need gentoo for playing
[12:12] <shining_> bleezy: ho my poor boy
[12:12] <bleezy> lol
[12:12] <bleezy> ubuntu can >?
[12:13] <stevenj> Kamping_Kaiser, I changed my computer name (swj) in hoary with networking tools-I rebooted and everything seems fine but I still pcs...... as my computer name here
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[12:13] <drcodedd2> Hi all
[12:13] <drcodedd2> where is lilo.conf file?
[12:13] <drcodedd2> I check in /etc
[12:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> stevenj. changing the name is a problem to gnome and some apps, if you restart your fine.
[12:13] <eszanthrick> maybe /boot ?.. don't know
[12:13] <pixil9> I'd assume you're using grub and you want to check out /boot/grub/
[12:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> are you using lilo or grub
[12:13] <Brake> rxvt
[12:13] <pixil9> menu.lst /boot/grub = boot menu config
[12:14] <drcodedd2> grub
[12:14] <drcodedd2> thanx
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[12:14] <stevenj> Kamping_Kaiser, oh I see...well it tells you to restart after you change it
[12:14] <bleezy> cens0red,  what do i choose so i can search for gift
[12:14] <drcodedd2> I dont know
[12:14] <shining_> bleezy: everything
[12:14] <drcodedd2> but I want to add this line append="hdc=ide-scsi
[12:15] <drcodedd2> and remove ide-tape
[12:15] <drcodedd2> so it will not load
[12:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> remember sudo
[12:15] <bleezy> shining_,  all tabs and all boxes
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[12:16] <shining_> bleezy: well you can
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[12:16] <bleezy> k
[12:16] <shining_> bleezy: but ubuntu release is enough for what you want now I guess
[12:16] <cens0red> bleezy I'd pick the lot. Why not?
[12:17] <shining_> bleezy: but you may need multiverse and universe
[12:17] <bleezy> lol
[12:17] <AgentM> Hello, in Warty there were drive-icons on my desktop when I mountet any other discs, but now i Hoary they aren't. Is this a bug? There are only icons of mounted extern devices.
[12:17] <cens0red> gift is universe
[12:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> agentm tehy are probably in "places"
[12:17] <bleezy> to bad i cant check all boxes
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[12:18] <shining_> bleezy: ?
[12:18] <drcodedd2> pixil9: ?
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[12:18] <AgentM> Kamping_Kaiser they aren't...
[12:18] <drcodedd2> pixil9: in lilo.conf I can add append="hdc=ide-scsi
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[12:18] <drcodedd2> what I can do in gurb
[12:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> agentm. what did you try and mount?
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[12:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> my floppys on my desktop
[12:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> and in places
[12:19] <AgentM> Kamping_Kaiser I mounted a ntfs partition
[12:19] <freex> hi room
[12:19] <freex> am having problem in kinterbasdb
[12:19] <freex> can anyone help me
[12:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> those are in computer -> filesystes -> mnt
[12:20] <AgentM> Kamping_Kaiser when I connect an usb-drive it apperas on the desktop and in places, this works
[12:20] <bleezy> ok i marked all how do i start them ?
[12:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> they hid partitions and internal hdds
[12:20] <Brake> Hi! I have an old adaptec SCSI-card for my CD-burner and my scanner (Canoscan 300). The right driver for this card (aic7xxx) is loaded, and I can read CD's in the drive, but not burn nor scan anything. The Nautilus recognises that the burner is there. Anyone who can help?
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[12:20] <AgentM> Kamping_Kaiser, I have mine in /media, but thats not the problem, I want them to appear also as an icon on the desktop
[12:21] <bleezy> well maybe i didnt argg
[12:21] <AgentM> Kamping_Kaiser and it worked in Warty without any problems
[12:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> make a launcher i guess.
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[12:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> agentm depends if you want to see them or not ;) i dont want my 15 paritions on my desktop
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[12:22] <AgentM> thats not the best solution, because in this case I cannot directly acces them in the "gnome open file menu"
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[12:22] <bleezy> great now i need the stupid cd
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[12:24] <drcodedd2> ubntu dont have grub.conf ?
[12:24] <drcodedd2> in /ect/grub.conf
[12:24] <drcodedd2> strange
[12:25] <drcodedd2> any help
[12:26] <nydust> i have my printer driver as an ppd file, how do i add it to the list?
[12:26] <bleezy> package manager froze up lol
[12:26] <fragspaz> in the 500 mb CD, DOES THE KERNEL src exist?
[12:26] <thenuke> drcodedd2: it is /boot/grub/menu.lst
[12:26] <fragspaz> i couldnt find it
[12:27] <thenuke> fragspaz: download them from the net
[12:27] <drcodedd2> but in grub.conf I need to put: append="hdc=ide-scsi"
[12:27] <thenuke> fragspaz: so few ppl needs those that there is no reason to stuff them in to CD, I guess.
[12:27] <drcodedd2> I can do the same in menu.lst?
[12:27] <HcE> drcodedd2: /boot/grub/
[12:27] <thenuke> drcodedd2: yes, menu.lst == grub.conf as far as I know
[12:27] <HcE> drcodedd2: yes
[12:27] <bleezy> my package manager went dumb on me
[12:27] <drcodedd2> thanx
[12:28] <thenuke> drcodedd2: youre welcome
[12:28] <drcodedd2> I have problem with DI-30 tape
[12:28] <drcodedd2> also can I remove this ide-tape module?
[12:28] <HcE> drcodedd2: there are a line for kernel options, kopt=
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[12:28] <xerox> Hi!
[12:28] <drcodedd2> what file?
[12:29] <xerox> How can I adjust the umode on which USB Disk are mounted?
[12:29] <drcodedd2> I mean what file I can find kopt?
[12:29] <drcodedd2> I want to remove thie ide-tape
[12:29] <xerox> umask, sorry, not umode.
[12:29] <drcodedd2> its wrong
[12:30] <bleezy> can this ibook run q3 with ubuntu
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[12:30] <tosti> hello there :)
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[12:30] <tosti> any1 alive here? :D
[12:30] <bet0x> yo
[12:31] <tosti> hello :)
[12:31] <tosti> seeking knowledge I am.. :D
[12:32] <tosti> i have no idea how to setup my mouse... :(
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[12:32] <jubei> When HDDs fail, how often are they repairable?
[12:32] <drcodedd2> CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDETAPE=m
[12:33] <drcodedd2> I can do d or n that it will not load?
[12:33] <pixil9> try n?
[12:34] <drcodedd2> thanx
[12:34] <drcodedd2> I will now try
[12:34] <drcodedd2> I will be bak soin
[12:34] <drcodedd2> soon
[12:34] <tosti> jubei: well, i had only one hdd failure, but it was quite a "final" one.
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[12:35] <jubei> tosti: yeah its just clicking when it spins up
[12:35] <jubei> tosti: possibly a head crash?
[12:36] <Cine> um... I'm trying to add a repository for packages... specifically the debian ftp site... but the instructions don't seem to jibe with what I actualy get when I do preferences > repositories...
[12:36] <jubei> if so, its gone =( poor sister lost bout 2 weeks work
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[12:36] <tosti> mine was also making "strange noises"
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[12:37] <Cine> correction.... settings > repositories...
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[12:38] <tosti> can anyone help me? where in UBUNTU is mouse configuration handled? :D Lack of GPM confused me a bit... :)
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[12:40] <IIEars> some of it is in the xorg.conf - I don't know where the pointing controls are adjusted
[12:40] <melita> where can i download this from File (3.26)
[12:40] <eszanthrick> tosti, System menu > preferences > mouse
[12:40] <tosti> IIEars: thx. :)
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[12:41] <IIEars> esz - I often change distros could you tell me what file has those preferences?
[12:41] <tosti> eszanthrick: well, i guess autoconfiruration got a bit confused on my mouse :P it acts a bit DEAD :)
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[12:42] <IIEars> holycow - WB
[12:43] <IIEars> just curious what file adjusts the mous pointer preferences?
[12:43] <holycow> danke
[12:44] <IIEars> okay - i'll google it. (termial-ly lazy)
[12:44] <holycow> lol, i'd tell ya but i don't know either
[12:44] <holycow> IIEars, probably somewhere in your home dir preferences probably, not sure where tho
[12:45] <tosti> eszanthrick: guess i have to force system to seek mouse on ttys1 instead of ttys0, but not know where that config goes. :)
[12:45] <holycow> .gnome or something like that probably
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[12:47] <MrMiaow>    /msg _ajmitch on OSX here :)
[12:48] <Cine> anybody know of any good 2d animation software that runs on ubuntu?
[12:49] <IIEars> Thank You :)
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[12:57] <holycow> cine what do you mean 2d animation?
[12:57] <holycow> the only 2d animation software out there are just cel scanners and cel painters ... is that what you mean?
[12:57] <holycow> or do you mean like macromedia flash?
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[12:57] <holycow> you can use flash ide with crossover office if you like
[12:59] <Q_Continuum> LOL
[12:59] <Q_Continuum> sudo apt-get install bastet
[01:00] <Q_Continuum> then play.
[01:00] <Q_Continuum> tetris that is evil.  it shows you the piece you most need...and will never give you.
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[01:01] <Cine> sorry, went away to do some looking... whats flash ide?
[01:01] <MrMiaow> tauntris
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[01:02] <Cine> still there holycow?
[01:02] <holycow> cine ... macromedia? what do you mean what is flash ide
[01:02] <spiral> hmmm... I get it working... I've got the network working...
[01:03] <Cine> well I was hoping for something free... don't you have to pay for macromedia?
[01:03] <spiral> but as soon as I got it working with linux-386, it freezes on hotplug
[01:03] <holycow> Cine, nothing like that for free that i know of
[01:03] <holycow> oh wait
[01:03] <spiral> I installed the driver on linux-686, but I'm afraid of rebooting
[01:03] <holycow> gimp has an animation plugin
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[01:03] <holycow> you can use that, but it's 2d cel animation stuff, you obviously need to know tho draw
[01:04] <Cine> yeah, I have that... haven't played with it yet...  I like to find a bunch of stuff then try them all....
[01:04] <holycow> i don't know what else you expect
[01:04] <holycow> your asking for 2d animation stuff
[01:05] <holycow> if you want to do 2d, you gotta draw, thats it
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[01:05] <hussam> on grub menu, after I chose ubuntu and enter, I see the boot progress in form of text. ( starting ....,   ,   starting .....) . Is there any way to hide the text boot progress?
[01:05] <nico_> ciao ragazzi
[01:05] <holycow> the question doesn't really make sense at all
[01:05] <Cine> well yeah, drawing it isn't the issue...  I can do that... gots my scanner working today...
[01:05] <nico_> ITALIAN?
[01:05] <holycow> hussam, not yet, wait for the user space boot splash that will arrive in the next 12 months or so
[01:05] <nico_> i'm a beginner
[01:06] <holycow> Cine, gimp it is then, there is nothing else that i know of
[01:06] <holycow> :)
[01:06] <nico_> my ubuntu it's too slow
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[01:06] <Cine> I was just looking for something that would let me do flash-type stuff...  that cut-out style animation...
[01:06] <dazzed> holycow: they going to use splashy?
[01:06] <Cine> ok, thanks holycow
[01:06] <nico_> what can i do?
[01:06] <holycow> dazzed, not sure i think its called usplash?
[01:06] <nico_> something as msconfig for windows
[01:06] <scizzo> Cine: tried to use google?
[01:06] <nico_> to select the application on startup
[01:06] <holycow> no worries Cine :) show us some stuff when done
[01:06] <wdh> hussam, hopefully it will be included in breezy :)
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[01:07] <dazzed> u using gnome nico_?
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[01:08] <nico_> i'm new to linux ubuntu
[01:08] <nico_> i don't know
[01:08] <nico_> on my pc there in gnome
[01:08] <dazzed> nico_: if ur using gnome just have applications up that u want on startup and click save desktop and logout and login and they will start up
[01:08] <Cine> of course i've used google... :)  I kept finding ktoonz, which I haven't been able to install... :)
[01:08] <nico_> thx dazzed
[01:08] <hussam> wdh: when is breezy due to be out? in 5 or 6 months?
[01:09] <nico_> anytrhing else?
[01:09] <wdh> hussam, yes.. about that period..
[01:09] <holycow> nico_, what do you mean your ubuntu is slow?
[01:09] <dazzed> nah its much easier and simpler then the whole ms config bullshit
[01:09] <holycow> that question also doesn't make sense
[01:09] <nico_> to the internet
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[01:09] <nico_> to open windows
[01:09] <scizzo> Cine: http://f4l.sourceforge.net/
[01:09] <scizzo> Cine: GIMP and GAP
[01:09] <dazzed> thats just your comp lag
[01:09] <dazzed> ubu is speedy
[01:09] <holycow> the internet issue has nothing to do with ubuntu, it either works or it doesn't,
[01:09] <scizzo> Cine: you can use either for doing animations
[01:10] <dazzed> i use fluxbox...opens with a breeze
[01:10] <holycow> opening up windows, that probably means you are using a vesa video card driver, thats a generic 2d driver
[01:10] <dazzed> takes no more then .2 seconds to open any window
[01:10] <holycow> nico_, go to the ubuntu website and search how to install drivers for your nvidia or ati cards
[01:10] <scizzo> Cine: http://www.gimp.org/tutorials/Simple_Animations/
[01:10] <DJSelbeck> i have only a few qt-styles SGI -OpenMotif and windows in qtcontrol but in kcontrol i have much more what can i do?
[01:10] <scizzo> Cine: http://www.gimp.org/tutorials/Advanced_Animations/
[01:11] <dazzed> use kcontrol?
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[01:11] <nico_> but my pc in in lan with another pc that have internet connection
[01:11] <Cine> yup... found all the gimp-gap stuff.... just haven't started playing with it yet... like I said, I like to find a bunch of different stuff first if I can then play with them all to decide which I like...
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[01:11] <dazzed> nico_: so is mine
[01:11] <nico_> on this pc i have win and linux
[01:11] <DJSelbeck> yes but mythtv for example only use the theme of qtcontrol and i hate the default themes of qtcontrol
[01:11] <Cine> I could theoretically use Blender to do 2d animations as well... just use planes...
[01:11] <holycow> nico_, so what? if you arent getting 100mbit, either your card is hosed, or it's not supported, get one that is
[01:11] <nico_> win is speedy
[01:11] <nico_> but ubuntu no
[01:11] <scizzo> Cine: ummm...that is 3d
[01:12] <dazzed> holycow: well i dont think any of us get 100mbit
[01:12] <dazzed> lol
[01:12] <nico_> i open system monitor
[01:12] <dazzed> i get close
[01:12] <nico_> and i see that a lot of processes are running
[01:12] <dazzed> but no 100mbit
[01:12] <holycow> dazzed, i'm assuming he's testing transferring files over network
[01:12] <dazzed> yes
[01:12] <nico_> how?
[01:12] <holycow> dazzed, well theoretical limit is 75mbit because of overhead, but whatever
[01:13] <dazzed> holycow: youd have to have a pretty expensive linksys router to support anything over 75
[01:13] <holycow> nico_, so what? what do procosses have anything to do with your questions?
[01:13] <holycow> dazzed, hehe :)
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[01:13] <nico_> i have 100mb router
[01:13] <Cine> yeah, its 3d, but if you only use planes, and leave the camera on one of the planes, then it becomes 2d... they use the same 3d software to make southpark that made Jurrasic Park dinosaurs...
[01:13] <dazzed> nico_: ill bet you about 5000000000000 dollars windows has more processes running then ubuntu even has to run
[01:13] <Cine> 2d use of a 3d progie...
[01:14] <holycow> nico_, sorry your question frustrate me and i just want to slap you, but i know it's just because you are trying hard with english ... wish i knew italian
[01:14] <nico_> how i do to check if i'm working at 100mb in lan
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[01:14] <wdh> holycow, im quite certain i downloaded at 10mb/s once :) back in the days i had a _real_ internet connection :)
[01:14] <wdh> 10mb/s == 80 mbit :)
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[01:14] <holycow> nico_, you transfer a file from windows to ubuntu ... or vise versa
[01:14] <dazzed> chekc your transfer rate when moving files
[01:14] <holycow> nico_, you transfer one VERY BIG FILE, not a bunch of small files
[01:14] <holycow> say like the ubuntu iso
[01:15] <dazzed> do a 200 mb atleast
[01:15] <wdh> nico_, how much memory does your computer have?
[01:15] <dazzed> 64 im predicting
[01:15] <nico_> 256 ram pentium 3
[01:15] <nico_> it's the second pc
[01:15] <wdh> current gnome is known to mess up with memory.. and as such, windows might be quicker
[01:16] <dazzed> (do an upgrade ^-)
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[01:16] <dazzed> but 256 still can handle anything ubu hast o offer
[01:16] <holycow> wdh, i have never seen this... ever
[01:16] <holycow> ever
[01:16] <holycow> if his gnome is slow he hasnt installed nvidia or ati drivers, for sure
[01:16] <odyssey> wdh, what do you mean by current 2.10?
[01:16] <dazzed> holycow: much truth
[01:16] <holycow> his complaint about slow network speed is bogus however
[01:16] <wdh> im on 256 also.. i experience problems when using too many kde packages/ OOo etc..
[01:16] <wdh> odyssey, the one thats in hoary
[01:17] <holycow> wdh, nonsense, i've run it on 64
[01:17] <dazzed> wdh: i dont think hes using any kde packages
[01:17] <dazzed> wdh: hes just got linux like yesterday
[01:17] <holycow> wdh, what sorts of problems are you even talkinga bout?
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[01:17] <holycow> first gnome has nothign to do with memory management ... the kernel does that
[01:17] <wdh> dazzed, then my bet is that he should throw his computer out of the window :)
[01:17] <DJSelbeck> in what directory must i past the themes of kthemesmanager too have they in other qt applications,too
[01:17] <dazzed> lol
[01:18] <nico_> internet slowly can be cause of lan
[01:18] <holycow> second, i just don't believe you
[01:18] <nico_> but slowly in opening winows
[01:18] <holycow> nico_, no. seriously.  just no.
[01:18] <wdh> holycow, i'll try and find a proper link for it..
[01:18] <dazzed> nico_: if the internet is slow because of lan then there is NOWAY im telling you RIGHT NOW NO WAY that windows makes your lan faster in any form or fashion
[01:18] <holycow> wdh, i'd love to see it
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[01:19] <nico_> dazzed, i have not understand
[01:19] <holycow> nico_, your biggest problem is that you don't know anything about this stuff, your completely confused about whats going on unfortunately :-/
[01:19] <dazzed> nico_: if your saying linux makes your lan conn slower...u need to stop using linux now
[01:19] <holycow> i'm not even sure where to begin to help you
[01:19] <nico_> sorry guys
=== dazzed isnt trying to be mean
[01:20] <nico_> i'm trying to use linux
=== dazzed knows ur trying
[01:20] <dazzed> but you need to do some reading
[01:20] <nico_> I search an help in this forum
[01:20] <dazzed> what language u speak nico?
[01:20] <wdh> holycow, and my 'problems' are just related to everything running to slow.. i tend to like it to run 2 gnome sessions simulatiously, while using OOo, firefox, the gimp etc :P
[01:20] <holycow> nico_, no problem at all, but you need to google more about how networking works, your questions indicate that you misunderstand how it works to begin with
[01:21] <no0tic> nico_: come to #ubuntu-it
[01:21] <dazzed> i was about to say theres an ubuntu chat for ur languag
[01:21] <dazzed> e
[01:21] <holycow> wdh, nonsense, what do you mean by slowdowns?
[01:21] <dazzed> theif no0tic
[01:21] <nico_> thanks no0tic
[01:21] <holycow> no0tic, danke :)
[01:22] <dazzed> wdh: running 2 gnome sessions simotaniously** would run slower than running one?
[01:22] <wdh> holycow, my system not being quite responsive.. having to wait ages before OOo starts for example
[01:22] <holycow> wdh, that doesn't even make sense, all system resources are basically handled by the kernel
[01:23] <holycow> oo is slow to start anyway?
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[01:23] <dazzed> wdh: that might be a configurable bug with 00o....in fluxbox i have to compile with certain options turned off and it makes my flux load a lot smooother run a lot faster
[01:23] <geargolem> Hi
[01:23] <Daehlie> oo takes forever to start
[01:23] <wdh> holycow, well.. but each application makes use of the memory.. and it can do that properly, or fuck it up by not giving back memory it was using before..
[01:23] <holycow> no
[01:23] <holycow> that has nothing to do with gnome
[01:23] <wdh> and the latter is the case with gnome
[01:23] <holycow> the kernel does that
[01:23] <dazzed> holycow is much right
[01:24] <holycow> your complaining about the wrong thing
[01:24] <holycow> oo is just slow to startup, its just coded that way, 2.0 is a little better
[01:24] <dazzed> gnome is a group of resources using memory controlled by the kernel like any other application
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[01:24] <drcodedd2> Hi all
[01:24] <drcodedd2> what kernel ver ubuntu use in 5.04?
[01:24] <geargolem> Can someone tell me how to enable direct rendering on an xfree86 kernel?
[01:24] <dazzed> 1.6.10-5
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[01:25] <dazzed> 2*.
[01:25] <dazzed> i can tell you to get off xfree :)
[01:25] <drcodedd2> k
[01:25] <drcodedd2> I dont know why my DI-30 dosnt work
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[01:25] <holycow> wdh, linux system wide manages memory EXTREMELY well, an app can be slow to start but that has nothing to do with ram, that has everything to do with the app
[01:26] <holycow> gimp starts up slowly ... THATS BECAUSE GIMP IS HUUUUUUUGE
[01:26] <plagerism> whats the metapackage for building stuff??
[01:26] <holycow> right?
[01:26] <geargolem> dazzed, the other kernel doesn't support my driver
[01:26] <holycow> oo starts up slowly because OO IS HUUUUUGE, but also coded a leatle weakly
[01:26] <dazzed> geargolem: ohhh tahts the worst x.org is da shit
[01:26] <holycow> little even
[01:26] <geargolem> dazzed, not for my driver :P
[01:26] <dazzed> lol
[01:26] <k4rl> anyone know how to get sound in shockwave player?
[01:26] <holycow> wdh, if an app requests memory from the system, the kernel decides what to let go of, what to cache and what to realocate
[01:27] <k4rl> I get sound normally, like with xmms and co
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[01:27] <wdh> holycow, yes, i know.. but what i read about.. is that applications get memory, basically they get that from the kernel.. but as soon as it is not using any part of the memroy.. it doesnt release it, but keeps it for later usage
[01:27] <k4rl> but not in shockwave inside firefox, and not in java outside firefox
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[01:27] <dazzed> wdh whats wrong with that?
[01:27] <plagerism> what package do I install to get all the stuff like make gcc etc??
[01:27] <balor> k4rl: Some propritery products like shockwave and Java suck on Linux
[01:27] <dazzed> it keeps tiny bits...
[01:27] <odyssey> k4rl, you have the flash non free plugin installed?
[01:27] <holycow> wdh, let me put it to you this way, stop reading whatever crap you are reading, you are not a kernel hacker and don't know the first thing about whether or not thats bad
[01:27] <holycow> :)
[01:27] <dazzed> that makes it run more efficiently
[01:27] <Weiss> k4rl: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SoundProblemsHoary
[01:27] <holycow> i mean that in the nicest possible way
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[01:27] <balor> k4rl: They're about 3 years behind the current tech
[01:27] <housetier> plagerism thats in the build-essential package
[01:28] <plagerism> thank you housetier
[01:28] <wdh> holycow, its not like i know much about the subject.. maybe i interpreted the article the wrong way..
[01:28] <dazzed> i think you did
[01:28] <holycow> wdh, what you are describing is how windows works and its WRONG :) k?  just trust me, thats how it needs to work
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[01:28] <membreya> someone wanna test my FTP? I'm not sure if I've established PASV correctly and need an external person to test it
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[01:28] <dazzed> membreya: i will
[01:28] <wdh> holycow, i hope i'll find that article.. maybe you can explain me what the problem is then :)
[01:28] <holycow> wdh, linux uses maximum ram possible at all times... the reason for this is to avoid basically paging to a very slow device, the hd. ram is millions of times faster
[01:29] <dazzed> membreya: and i think i know what u have to do
[01:29] <wdh> holycow, i know about that.. but that was not what i mean
[01:29] <dazzed> membreya: i went through same thing 2 days ago
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[01:29] <geargolem> how do I enable direct rendering in xfree86?
[01:30] <wdh> holycow, this was more of a per-application-thing
[01:30] <holycow> wdh, it is possible for an application ot leak and eat up all the available ram, sure, it is also possible for an app to not handle multiple sessions well yes ... that has nothing t do with gnome
[01:30] <k4rl> weiss: excellent, that fixed firefox shockwave sound :)
[01:30] <holycow> *nod* right :) exactly, it's got nothing really to do with gnome, oo is like that, wait for 2.0 to see if there improvements
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[01:30] <holycow> k4rl, you mean flash sound? there is no shockwave plugin for linux
[01:31] <scizzo> wdh: what exactly is the problem?
[01:31] <pussfeller> well, how does windows handle things that makes the core gui faster? does it reserve a certain amount of ram for the core or something?
[01:31] <k4rl> well, I'm at a .swf link.
[01:31] <k4rl> flash, shockwave, whatever.
[01:31] <k4rl> the sound works :)
[01:31] <no0tic> I googled but found nothing about problems with OfficeJet 1150C scanner and ubuntu. I can't configure it via ptal-init setup, it tells me "Access denied to parallel port!"
[01:31] <wdh> scizzo, it all gets down to the point that i need more memory :)
[01:31] <holycow> pussfeller, no, it runs drivers in kernel space and shares various things directly with the kernel from what i understand
[01:32] <Weiss> pussfeller: i understand it gives the foreground task a massive performance boost too
[01:32] <scizzo> wdh: how much memory do you have?
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[01:32] <holycow> pussfeller, also probably slightly better optimization of their default de environment versus say gnome or kde
[01:32] <geargolem> direct rendering in xfree86?
[01:32] <geargolem> anyone know how?
[01:32] <wdh> scizzo, 256 mb
[01:32] <no0tic> on other distro scanner config was done via ptal-init setup without problems
[01:32] <scizzo> wdh: no wonder...
[01:33] <dazzed> scizzo: not so much
[01:33] <holycow> pussfeller, if you install a shitty window blinds theme on any windows for example, the entire machine can crawl to nothing, so a combination of various things.  the linux way is the right way to do it tho
[01:33] <scizzo> wdh: OO takes up about 256....
[01:33] <odyssey> geargolem, edit  the xfree config file
[01:33] <dazzed> scizzo: i mean 256 can run ubu/gnome FINE
[01:33] <scizzo> wdh: and that is standard
[01:33] <dazzed> but 00 is nothing to laugh at
[01:33] <geargolem> thnx odyssey
[01:33] <pussfeller> yes windows blinds will shut it way down
[01:33] <scizzo> wdh: GIMP takes about 128 standard and then you can set the tile cache on that
[01:33] <holycow> 256 is more than enough ram, and no, oo does NOT take that much ram
[01:33] <scizzo> wdh: 256 is not much use today
[01:33] <pussfeller> so the core gui, explorer, is integrated into the main kernel
[01:33] <holycow> scizzo, what planet are you from?
[01:34] <scizzo> holycow: thank you...
[01:34] <pussfeller> and in linux, the core gui runs out side the kernel
[01:34] <plagerism> I have an old system backed up, is there a way to install all packages from the old system onto my new system using one of the old config files??
[01:34] <holycow> scizzo, stop talking nonsense, oo does not take anywhere near that much ram, thats beyond wrong
[01:34] <wdh> holycow, i found the link :)
[01:34] <wdh> http://live.gnome.org/MemoryReduction
[01:34] <pussfeller> which is why its faster, and yet has more security holes
[01:34] <dazzed> i dont think any single app can take more then 100
[01:34] <dazzed> lol
[01:34] <holycow> 27 megs for writer to start, scizzo wtf are you talking about?
[01:34] <dazzed> 128
[01:34] <Daehlie> i have 512mb of ram and i have 255 used right now
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[01:34] <dazzed> 256 is nothing to be afraid of...its fine to run
[01:34] <scizzo> holycow: are you always this nice to people?
[01:35] <holycow> scizzo, load up a huge document, maybe you start to run out of ram, but that statement is ridiculous
[01:35] <Daehlie> swapping sucks though
[01:35] <holycow> scizzo, well, tell me i'm wrong? telling someone oo takes 256 megs of ram is wrong.  period.
[01:35] <dazzed> i have 1.24 gigs of ram and im using like 180mb righ tnow...(i have an up time of 3 days)
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[01:36] <shining> dazzed: your mem is useless then
[01:36] <holycow> sure if you load up a file into oo that takes up 500 megs of ram 256 will be eaten up and you start to swap, but thats another issue altogether
[01:36] <scizzo> holycow: well you can still be a little nicer to people...having a attitude like that does not help much
[01:36] <wdh> dazzed, i thought linux always uses 95%+ of memory?
[01:36] <holycow> scizzo, lol sorry, your right :)
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[01:36] <scizzo> depending on what you are looking for
[01:37] <holycow> wdh, whatever is available, i also have 1.5 gigs of ram and only use a fraction, there just isn't anything to load up
[01:37] <dazzed> well im perfectly good
[01:37] <dazzed> im running aterm with gaim...i dont need more than 180megs of memory
[01:37] <scizzo> Suggested is to have: 128 MB for OO 2.0
[01:37] <scizzo> then yes...256 is enough
[01:37] <dazzed> and if u say that its going to use 95% of my 1.24 gigs to run aterm and gaim ur stupid
[01:37] <holycow> wdh, i use gimp for production and i can load up 1.2 gig files without much issue
[01:37] <pussfeller> im running kubunu on a p2 with 146 ram and its doable, but its slow
[01:37] <shining> I went from 32M free to 3M free by launching oowriter
[01:37] <holycow> scizzo, exactly, 256 is enough for most average workloads *nod*
[01:38] <scizzo> holycow: however if you could tell him how to view what is using most of the memory then maybe he could find the answer on his own...
[01:38] <k4rl> whatever, gnome is sluggish
[01:38] <k4rl> doesn't matter how much memory you have
[01:38] <holycow> shinning thats because oo takes 27 megs to startup :)
[01:38] <wdh> scizzo, top will do :)
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[01:38] <scizzo> wdh: yes
[01:38] <holycow> k4rl, lol no sorry
[01:38] <k4rl> out of the box it is.
[01:38] <k4rl> aka for me, right here, with 768meg, and a very very default install
[01:38] <holycow> k4rl, no, its not, out of the box you are running vesa drivers
[01:39] <k4rl> it's sluggish
[01:39] <scizzo> holycow: however suggested for Win: 2.0 is 256
[01:39] <dazzed> rwafles
[01:39] <holycow> k4rl, you are complaining about vesa drivers being slow *sigh*, your complaining about the wrong thing
[01:39] <scizzo> holycow: and using Mac OS X: using neooffice is also 256
[01:39] <holycow> install binary drivers and your doing pretty well
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[01:40] <dazzed> suggested ram useage doesnt mean taht 256 is going to be used 100% of the time
[01:40] <Astinus_> Hello, a little bit general question, if i install ubuntu on a computer for a a novice pc-user+kids and i do NOT give him/her root-password, is it still posible to FUBAR things?
[01:40] <holycow> scizzo, from the oo.org site?
[01:40] <pussfeller> yes if you have nvidia especially getting the "real" drivers will give you a nice boost in desktop performance
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[01:40] <scizzo> 1.1 is suggested to have 64 MB if using Linux
[01:40] <scizzo> holycow: its suggested
[01:40] <scizzo> nothing else
[01:40] <scizzo> or required
[01:40] <holycow> Astinus, yes, the kids have sudo, which means they can sudo and command with their password and for example delete / if they way
[01:40] <scizzo> whatever
[01:40] <eskaypey> ok just tryed to install ubuntu on my evo n1020v lappy when install base system it gives following errors
[01:41] <holycow> Astinus, its one of my beefs with ubuntu
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[01:41] <holycow> Astinus, you need to setup a second account with very limited sudo priviledges to remove the possibility of '
[01:41] <dazzed> i swear....i have to go test on windows...i have been to the class twice so far made it to each test and i have a 100....even windows classes are easy
[01:41] <holycow> 'fubar' :)
[01:41] <eskaypey> the debootstrap program exited with an error (return value 1)
[01:41] <shining> anyway I prefer launching abiword
[01:41] <eskaypey> check /var/logmessages or see virtual console 3 for the details
[01:41] <Astinus_> holycow: hmm...i see.
[01:42] <wdh> holycow, did you read the webpage of which i gave you the link?
[01:42] <holycow> scizzo, :) *nod* he will still be fine with 256, no question about that, i'm just hammering away at some of wdh's assumptions as they vaguely smell of 'why does ms office start so fast' kinda deal :)
[01:42] <Astinus_> holycow: would like to have something like ubuntu, just "bulletproof"
[01:42] <holycow> Astinus, basically think of the default ubuntu account as the administrator account on windows ... ripe for a hosing
[01:42] <scizzo> holycow: well I will go back to my planet and then be even more wrong about things...shouldn't I?
[01:42] <wdh> holycow, havent been using ms office in ages :)
[01:43] <holycow> the only difference is that to run any admin command you haveto type in the users pass, which usually is something weak.
[01:43] <holycow> wdh, will check in a sec
[01:43] <pussfeller> which is the controllng config file for hory, xorg.conf?
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[01:43] <holycow> scizzo, rofl :) sorry, i'm a little edgy, my appologies
[01:44] <Astinus_> holycow: how are sudo priveliegs set and is it possible to - on logon - restore all settings to a set state / mandatory profile?
[01:44] <holycow> scizzo, bottom line, i've run gnome on 64 megs ram, it can be done, saying 256 is not enough is not correct, he should be able to do gimp and oo.o and a whole bunch of things with 256 megs ram without much swapping at all
[01:45] <holycow> Astinus, well, the config for that stuff is in /etc/sudoers , and unfortunately we don't yet have tools for security profiles and such ... so the rought answer is no.  it can be setup manually tho
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[01:46] <Astinus_> holycow: so something like cp /etc/forcedkde /home/fubar/kde in the loginscript ?
[01:46] <eskaypey> ok guys just tryed to install ubuntu on my evo n1020v lappy, when installing the base system it gives the following errors -- the debootstrap program exited with an error (return value 1) check /var/log/messages or see virtual console 3 for details
[01:46] <holycow> that would work *nod*
[01:47] <Astinus_> oh well guess i'll see what i'll do :>
[01:49] <holycow> scizzo, also please take my appology with the following perspective, i think it's important to try to stamp out misconceptions as much as possible, it's important to be vigilant on that front
[01:49] <holycow> as we start to get windows users to come over here, it's important that they are trained to understand how the system works and which parts they need to look at to make them work better
[01:50] <holycow> it's the old bus stop test, if a bus stop doesnt have a timer on when a bus will arrive even a minute feels like an hour, when you give people a timer and it says next bus in 20 minutes, it's bearable
[01:50] <holycow> a lot of users just get frustrated because they don't know why the problem occurs, not that it occurs, once they know why something is happening they go, oh okay it can be fixed i'll deal with it later
[01:51] <dazzed> holycow: you have a VERY good point
[01:51] <topyli> holycow: then they reinstall :)
[01:51] <holycow> hehe :)
[01:52] <wdh> holycow, i'll never say anything again :P
[01:53] <scizzo> holycow: explaining to hard with an attitude can also scare them...
[01:53] <scizzo> holycow: who would you listen to? the person explaining slowly and with a smile? or the person being angry and looking at you like you know nothing at all?
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[01:54] <pussfeller> with nvidia, the dri module should NOT be loaded right
[01:54] <holycow> scizzo, you are correct *nod* sorry again :)
[01:55] <holycow> pussfeller, correct, also comment out glcore if its not
[01:55] <pussfeller> casue, i just noticed I dont have direct rendering in glxinfo
[01:56] <pussfeller> after the upgrade to haory, i thot sudo nvidia-glx-config enable took care of all that
[01:56] <holycow> i thought mine did that, i dont remember commenting it out my self ...
[01:56] <scizzo> holycow: something I have learned after having a teacher almost taking away my grades even though I had the highest grades on everything....the only thing was that I was nothing he liked to talk to
[01:56] <holycow> oh nm, i used my old xfree config file, i don't know if it should have done it or not
[01:57] <pussfeller> hmm, then how was we able to play ETF
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[01:57] <pussfeller> and ut and q3
[01:57] <pussfeller> glxinfo must be wrong
[01:57] <djp> is anyone using gplflash here?
[01:57] <wdh> any experience here getting a via km400 onboard graphics card to work correctly w/ acceleration?
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[01:58] <membreya> anyone here on OptusCable???
[01:59] <wdh> holycow, nice reading?
[01:59] <MrMiaow> membreya:  yes
[02:01] <djp> is anyone using gplflash here?
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[02:02] <dazzed> god i love linux
[02:02] <dazzed> jeeze its great
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[02:04] <zero[] > anybody know how i can change the panel autohide delay in gnome?
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[02:05] <mjr> zero[] , gconf-editor
[02:05] <mjr> apps/panel/global/panel_hide_delay seems to be something like that
[02:05] <zero[] > mjr: i tried that
[02:05] <zero[] > and nothing changed
[02:05] <mjr> well, dunno then
[02:05] <zero[] > i changed it from '300' to '10'
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[02:09] <bassMonkey> I had my local "guru" here to help me with cups, and at one point he did a "sudo chmod -R 700 /home/fgrano/", is this going to do any harm besides not letting anyone but me access my own home?
[02:09] <b0ol> i got to partitions how to make 1 out of 2?
[02:09] <b0ol> two i meant :)
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[02:10] <njan> bassMonkey, not unless you have anything else (e.g. a mail system) writing to your home directory.
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[02:10] <mjr> bassMonkey, well, side effects include eg. the non-visibility of your public_html, if that's an issue
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[02:10] <bassMonkey> njan: and I don't have that by default?
[02:11] <njan> bassMonkey, highly unlikely. Unless you run a mailserver off your PC.
[02:11] <njan> And I think you'd know if that were the case :)
[02:12] <bassMonkey> ok, thanks, what's the default mod?
[02:12] <bassMonkey> 755?
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[02:13] <wdh> holycow, and? what do you say about the mem-reduction part? do you at least understand what i meant?
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[02:14] <wdh> http://live.gnome.org/MemoryReduction  << link again
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[02:14] <njan> bassMonkey, I think so. Not sure, I've pissed around with my ubuntu system :)
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[02:15] <bassMonkey> njan: =) ok, but thanks anyway...
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[02:18] <SiRrUs> good morning
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[02:19] <Rhymes> is there a software to grab the desktop and generate an mpeg in ubuntu?
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[02:20] <k4rl> I'm getting sound but no video with totem playing an mpg, any suggestions?
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[02:20] <balor> k4rl: install ffmpeg libraries
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[02:21] <mjr> yep; spesifically, gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg for totem-gstreamer
[02:21] <balor> Rhymes: Not that I know of...there's some software that'll make an MJpeg, but it's nasty
[02:21] <Rhymes> mmm
[02:21] <Rhymes> ok thanks
[02:21] <k4rl> how many mpgs are there that I wouldn't need that for?
[02:21] <b0ol> hello?
[02:21] <b0ol> how to move a partition to the beginning of the sectors?
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[02:21] <mjr> k4rl, patents
[02:22] <balor> b0ol: you can't unless you want to reformat the whole hard disk
[02:22] <b0ol> damn......................................................
[02:22] <k4rl> well, it's not mentioned on the restricted formats page either
[02:22] <b0ol> that sux
[02:22] <balor> b0ol: Is it necessary?
[02:22] <b0ol> yes
[02:22] <b0ol> unfortunately :/
[02:22] <b0ol> i had 3 partitions on one hdd
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[02:22] <b0ol> the first and the 3rd i deleted
[02:22] <mjr> true, the magical Somebody should mention ffmpeg on the restrictedformats page
[02:22] <b0ol> now theres the 2nd
[02:23] <b0ol> i cant delete it because of 60 gb storage:/
[02:23] <b0ol> i want to merge part. 1 and 2
[02:23] <b0ol> so 2 big partitions
[02:23] <b0ol> and i have no where to copy the data of part. 2
[02:23] <b0ol> :/
[02:23] <b0ol> :<
[02:23] <balor> b0ol: I think you may be able to do that using Parted, but I'm not sure
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[02:23] <balor> b0ol: and I value my data too much to try
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[02:24] <b0ol> parted?
[02:24] <zero[] > is there a way to change a panel's width in gnome like in kde?
[02:24] <b0ol> zero[] 
[02:24] <b0ol> rightclick on pane
[02:24] <b0ol> l
[02:24] <b0ol> then properties
[02:24] <wdh> b0ol, maybe gparted can do that
[02:24] <b0ol> :)
[02:24] <b0ol> gparted?
[02:24] <b0ol> parted?
[02:24] <eszanthrick> b0ol, you can use logical volume manager to make it appear as one partition
[02:24] <b0ol> wheres teh difference?
[02:24] <b0ol> no i want 2 REAL partitions :)
[02:25] <zero[] > b0ol: that only has the height size, no width
[02:25] <b0ol> ah
[02:25] <b0ol> hm....
[02:25] <wdh> b0ol, gparted is a gtk frontend for parted
[02:25] <chibifs> gparted rocks. :D
[02:25] <b0ol> below height you can choose one
[02:25] <b0ol> in german its called ausdehnen
[02:25] <b0ol> try this and use your mouse
[02:25] <zero[] > ah, expand
[02:25] <zero[] > got it
[02:25] <zero[] > thanks
[02:25] <b0ol> np :)
[02:25] <b0ol> k i'll  try gparted
[02:26] <wdh> b0ol, you could try to resize the two partitions a bit.. then move some data from part2-> part1.. and repeat that.. and so on, and so forth :)
[02:26] <b0ol> lol wdh :>
[02:26] <b0ol> no i'm currently trying parted
[02:27] <goldfish> HI guys, my friend installed ubuntu on his toshiba laptop, but his touchpad is mental, when u touch is slightly the mouse fliys across the screen, any ideas how to change this?
[02:27] <wdh> its just an option if merging wont work..
[02:27] <goldfish> s/is/it/
[02:27] <wdh> goldfish, system -> preferences -> mouse ?
[02:27] <goldfish> hmmm
[02:27] <b0ol> DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMN
[02:27] <b0ol> i cant move the partition because its ntfs :!:!:!:
[02:28] <wdh> b0ol, can you resize it?
[02:28] <goldfish> wdh: Never thought of that, wonder if he did, thanks :)
[02:28] <b0ol> its ntfs :<
[02:28] <b0ol> i want it ext3 :/
[02:28] <wdh> b0ol, i succesfully resized ntfs a few times..
[02:28] <chibifs> Eww. NTFS. :D
[02:28] <b0ol> ntfs suxks imo
[02:29] <b0ol> *angry*
[02:29] <b0ol> *sad*
[02:29] <b0ol> :/
[02:29] <chibifs> Wait til WinFS comes out. Then we'll have real problems getting people's stuff moved. :D
[02:29] <b0ol> :)
[02:29] <Bazzi> WinFS is just NTFS :P
[02:29] <lukewarm> I've used qtparted to resize NTFS partitions several times, never had a problem
[02:29] <wdh> chibifs, winfs? something new on longhorn?
[02:29] <chibifs> Yeah. SQL style filesystem. Terrible idea in my opinion.
[02:30] <zeedo> wdh: something supposed to be with longhorn, but will be released separately
[02:30] <Bazzi> chibifs why should that be terrible?
[02:30] <k4rl> wikitastic, ffmpeg is now known about
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[02:30] <wdh> b0ol, it shouldnt be a problem, what you want.. the way i told you is kinda boring, but it'll work :)
[02:31] <chibifs> Wasting more diskspace on orginization. I like messy filesystems like reiser. :D
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[02:32] <chibifs> The orginization will be good for searching and less corrupting, but it sounds like it's going to be wastefull just for those kinds of speed optimizations.
[02:33] <chibifs> I love the whole longhorn working for more net integration thing, with all of it's major security holes that don't get solved for months. :D
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[02:34] <Rhymes> balor: apt-cache show gvidcap
[02:35] <b0ol> gnz damn :/
[02:35] <b0ol> i hate  ntfs :/
[02:35] <wdh> b0ol, why?
[02:35] <b0ol> because resizing would mean datalost
[02:35] <b0ol> :<
[02:36] <Seveas> b0ol, not if you have the money to buy partition magic :)
[02:36] <wdh> b0ol, why is that?
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[02:36] <Xappe> or the guts for piracy ;)
[02:39] <b0ol> i dont kno
[02:39] <b0ol> w
[02:39] <b0ol> :<
[02:39] <b0ol> damn damn damn...
[02:39] <k4rl> well, partition magic doesn't even work on my harddrive
[02:39] <b0ol> im thinking (hard for me:/)
[02:39] <k4rl> it complains that the partitions are in error
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[02:39] <chibifs> Partition Magic hasn't gotten an update in yeeeaarrss. @_@
[02:39] <k4rl> but it works fine for windows and linux
[02:39] <k4rl> like, ever since norton bought it
[02:40] <chibifs> I don't think it likes reiser at all.
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[02:42] <ShaneAu> Hey I got a problem that  I doubt anyone will be able to help me with. :P. I have my Ubuntu setup to sort the internet connection, so basically it's a router, it does firewalling, etc for my home network, but then it goes to my netgear router, then  other PC's in the network connect to my netgear router. So it goes ... Internet > Cable Modem > Linux Box > Netgear Router > Other PC's. My problem is, I can ping the linux box from other
[02:42] <ShaneAu> boxes on the network, but the linux box can't ping or "see" other boxes on the network. I have no idea how it's working, but it still does.
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[02:43] <ShaneAu> So I can't get the linux box to do filesharing, etc.
[02:43] <ShaneAu> And I want it to be a fileserver for the network aswel
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[02:44] <hypno> ShaneAu: is the netgear doing nat?
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[02:44] <ShaneAu> I have no idea.
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[02:45] <ShaneAu> netgear makes things hard, it don't have just a simple option to put it into a "bridge mode" :(
[02:45] <ShaneAu> lol
[02:45] <User798> can anyoen hear me
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[02:46] <ShaneAu> But you've given me an idea hypno..
[02:46] <wdh> User798, nope.. we're probably some 100+ miles seperated from each other.. as such, i cannot hear you :)
[02:47] <eszanthrick> User798, if you're the guy outside spitting.. please stop
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[02:48] <holycow> ShaneAu, just out of curiosity, why is ubuntu ahead of the router?
[02:48] <ShaneAu> Because Ubuntu is going to BE the main router
[02:49] <holycow> and the reason you can't see the other pc's behind the netgear is because the netgear is preventing external pings like that
[02:49] <holycow> you would need to do port forwarding to ping the pc's behind the router
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[02:49] <ShaneAu> Ubuntu will control my home network, well that's my plan
[02:49] <ShaneAu> Hum
[02:49] <ShaneAu> Ok
[02:49] <ShaneAu> I'm going to try Default DMZ
[02:49] <ShaneAu> or what ever itis
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[02:49] <holycow> if you have something pingable in dmz that should work
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[02:50] <holycow> a dmz is just a compy or a group of  compies that are directly visible to the internet
[02:51] <djp> do i need to install xmms in order to listen to .pls and .m3u files within firefox using mozplugger?
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[02:51] <holycow> essentially a second network, not tied to your internal network
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[02:51] <holycow> djp, the answer is yes, mozplugger takes an app and makes it avialable as an ebmedded dealy intside moz ... sorta
[02:51] <holycow> however
[02:52] <holycow> i would strongly recommend not doing mozplugger things
[02:52] <Nic> you
[02:52] <Nic> err
[02:52] <Nic> yo :P
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[02:52] <holycow> just use the standalone players, they work better that way and are designed to be standalone
[02:53] <holycow> all the embedding garbage people put on their websites are bad habits that microsoft taught people over the last 10 years ... should be avoided when possible
[02:53] <holycow> i'm gonna hire someone to write me an app like flash blocker that prevents embedded streams, and instead passes them off to the right standalone player
[02:53] <Nic> trying to build a package using dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot
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[02:53] <Nic> but i get this error dpkg-parsechangelog: error: cannot open debian/changelog to find format: No such file or directory
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[02:54] <dutch> morning
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[03:00] <wdh> morning dutch, im dutch :)
[03:01] <bernard__> hello
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[03:01] <ShaneAu> Ok i can ping to here... Windows box (192.168.0.2) > Netgear Router (192.168.1.254) > Linux Box (192.168.1.2), but not the other way around
[03:02] <bernard__> does anybody know how to get gstreamer use opengl?
[03:02] <wdh> holycow, awake?
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[03:02] <holycow>  wdh hehe, yup, got a full day of work ahead of me still
[03:02] <djp> holycow: thanks fo the advice. i gather (as you discuss) that embedded file types will not play though?
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[03:03] <holycow> ShaneAu, port forward some services to your win machines in your netgear router, then ping them
[03:03] <wdh> holycow, good luck then.. did you have any chance to skim the link i gave you?
[03:03] <holycow> google what port you need open for ping to work
[03:03] <ShaneAu> The router has an option of disabling ping, I've unticked it
[03:03] <ShaneAu> So it should allow
[03:03] <holycow> djp, they will, just depends on what file type and what kind of player  you have.  its just generally a bad idea, browser are not designed for that
[03:04] <holycow> wdh, oh, can you post linkage once again? i had to go to the store for a bit
[03:04] <holycow> ShaneAu, your windows machines have firewall on them?
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[03:04] <ShaneAu> Yes, but I've put the IP's into "trusted zone"
[03:05] <ShaneAu> I'll disable it
[03:05] <wdh> http://live.gnome.org/MemoryReduction
[03:05] <bernard__> does anybody know how to get gstreamer use opengl?
[03:05] <holycow> wdh, danke :)
[03:05] <GNAM> I need a text-editor for large files... It must do not load file, but only part of file needed at moment
[03:05] <djp> holycow: thanks
[03:06] <holycow> djp, np.
[03:06] <ShaneAu> humm if I do a traceroute
[03:06] <ShaneAu> to 192.168.0.2
[03:06] <ShaneAu> it seems to go via the internet
[03:06] <ShaneAu> trys
[03:06] <wdh> ShaneAu, go sue the internet then!
[03:06] <wdh> :P
[03:06] <ShaneAu> lol
[03:07] <] BreliC[> shouldn't all three boxes be on the same level.. i.e. 192.168.1.xxx ?
[03:07] <] BreliC[> why is the windows box .0 ?
[03:07] <ShaneAu> If I do that, things don't work at all
[03:07] <ShaneAu> :-s
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[03:07] <ShaneAu> I don
[03:07] <holycow> ShaneAu, you have two nics on the linux box? one has an internal static ip the other external net ip?
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[03:08] <ShaneAu> It's crazy, the only way to make the internet share is for this linux box to have a DCHP server running wihch only assigns an IP for the netgear router, then I have to turn a DHCP server on the netgear router aswell, otherwise things will just timeout while trying to get an IP (thigns connected to the netgear router\_
[03:08] <holycow> can the linux box open up the netgear admin page?
[03:08] <ShaneAu> yes
[03:08] <ShaneAu> Two nics
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[03:08] <ShaneAu> no
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[03:08] <ShaneAu> Oh wait
[03:09] <zero[] > how can i make my desktops go left-right instead of up-down?
[03:09] <ShaneAu> I can ping  192.168.1.254 (the router)
[03:09] <] BreliC[> ShaneAu, then there's definitely something wrong in your setup.. you should not need linux to run DHCP if the router has one
[03:09] <] BreliC[> it's redundant
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[03:09] <goldfish> holy shit
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[03:09] <ShaneAu> but I cannot go to 192.168.1.254
[03:09] <goldfish> someone is brute forcing me :/
[03:09] <holycow> zero[] , what do you mean? applications menu? drag the side bar to be vertical, but gnome panel is not designer for that
[03:09] <goldfish> what should i do?
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[03:10] <holycow> ShaneAu, thats because you need to allo admin from outside on the netgear
[03:10] <ShaneAu> :(
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[03:10] <ShaneAu> Yeah?
[03:10] <ShaneAu> ok
[03:10] <holycow> but if you can ping it it's the same thing
[03:10] <zero[] > holycow: no no, my virtual desktops.. for example if i want to switch virtual desktops using the keyboard shortcuts, it shows them veritcally (up-down), i want em to be left-right
[03:10] <zero[] > just a minor annoyance really
[03:10] <holycow> oh thats an applet
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[03:11] <holycow> the applet only exists on the gnome panel
[03:11] <ShaneAu> holycow, how would you do it
[03:11] <holycow> you will need to find a replacement applet that sits on the desktop vetically maybe?
[03:11] <zero[] > holycow: i guess i'll just leave it the way it is then
[03:11] <ShaneAu> Like I have Linux box (192.168.1.2, DCHP server running)
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[03:11] <UbuntuGet> Im going to run dev-breezy, I have added it in sources, but when I use smart update i synaptic, it removes evulotion, should I run default instead?
[03:12] <ShaneAu> Then Netgear router , (DHCP client running, it gets given 192.168.1.254)
[03:12] <ShaneAu> Then I need DHCP server running on that aswell :s
[03:12] <holycow> ShaneAu, exactly what you did, i would actually need to take a look at the setup to see what else might be goin on, not sure at this point in time
[03:12] <wdh> UbuntuGet, you're my new hero :P
[03:12] <holycow> you can ping the router
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[03:12] <holycow> that means your linux box is fine
[03:12] <ShaneAu> hum
[03:12] <] BreliC[> ShaneAu, i would turn off the DHCP router on Linux.. you don't need it
[03:12] <UbuntuGet> wdh, why?
[03:12] <chibifs> Evolution smells :D
[03:12] <wdh> UbuntuGet, breezy is not very stable yet :)
[03:13] <scizzo> UbuntuGet: whats wrong with hoary?
[03:13] <ShaneAu> Manually put the info in/
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[03:13] <hmmm22> how can i delete the dns cache
[03:13] <ShaneAu> For some odd reason it don't like me doing that
[03:13] <chibifs> I'm using breezy, the only diference from hoary is broken stuff :P
[03:13] <ShaneAu> But I'll try.
[03:13] <UbuntuGet> scizzo, I doesn't have wesnith 0.9...
[03:13] <wdh> UbuntuGet, and will probably break a lot in the upcoming months :)
[03:13] <UbuntuGet> wesnoth*
[03:13] <holycow> hmmm22, check manuals for whatever dns server you are running
[03:13] <chibifs> hmmm22 - Linux doesn't keep a dns cache! D:
[03:13] <scizzo> UbuntuGet: then just install wesnoth
[03:13] <Vanilia> how i can install program to ubuntu?:D
[03:13] <] BreliC[> If I understand correctly, you have two machines (or three?) all connected to the Netgear, which accesses the net, correct?
[03:14] <scizzo> UbuntuGet: change the source...apt-get update ; apt-get install wesnoth-thingy
[03:14] <chibifs> What sort of programs, Vanilla?
[03:14] <holycow> ] BreliC[, yeah and he has a linux machine between the router and the net
[03:14] <Vanilia> chibifs, (ventrilo server 2.1.0)
[03:14] <dazzed> Vanilia: most apps you need or want are in synaptic
[03:14] <UbuntuGet> wdh, k, not so stable than hoary was in the first month of the year then
[03:14] <] BreliC[> holycow, what do you mean, between the router and the net?
[03:14] <UbuntuGet> scizzo, which sources?
[03:14] <hmmm22> the prob is. that when i want to ping (with hostname) a friend in the same network, linux always takes the IP-Adress from our School-Net.
[03:14] <holycow> ] BreliC[, exactly that, between the rouiter and the net
[03:14] <Vanilia> but i dont know how synaptic works:D
[03:14] <wdh> UbuntuGet, i wouldnt switch to an unstable release for playing a game.. :)
[03:15] <dazzed> <router>----<netserver>---<linux machine>
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[03:15] <] BreliC[> holycow, is there not just a router, and everything behind it (i.e. linux box, windows box) goes through the router...?
[03:15] <holycow> ] BreliC[, i think he is setting up a linux router, and when he is happy i think he will pull the netgear out and let linux be the router
[03:15] <] BreliC[> ahh
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[03:15] <wdh> UbuntuGet, try apt-pinning, if wesnoth0.9 is actually in breezy that is
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[03:15] <Xappe> UbuntuGet: you can always compile wesnoth yourself
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[03:16] <UbuntuGet> oh, yes :)
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[03:16] <holycow> ] BreliC[, not on his setup, he's trying to setup linux as a router/firewall, right now he's play9ing with config, can't ping back through the router to win machines even though he unchecked the 'block ping' dealy on netgear gui
[03:16] <Vanilia> hm.. how i can add package to synaptic?:DD
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[03:17] <] BreliC[> hmm
[03:17] <ShaneAu> well i disabled dhcp on the linux box and gave the router 192.168.1.3
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[03:17] <scizzo> UbuntuGet: don't upgrade to breezy...just install wesnoth
[03:17] <scizzo> if it is available
[03:17] <holycow> wdh, thats a very good article btw ...
[03:17] <dockane> shame on me
[03:17] <dazzed> why is everyone so intent on gettin breezy...its still in the dev stage
[03:17] <dazzed> ...
[03:18] <] BreliC[> yeah, Hoary *just* came out
[03:18] <dazzed> i know right
[03:18] <wdh> holycow, understand what i mean now? since i am not an expert on the subject, i probably misunderstood it and explained it wrong to you :)
[03:18] <ShaneAu> Things are the same as they were, but without DHCp srv running on Linux
[03:18] <holycow> dazzed, rofl, not to mentione that ubuntu IS DEBIAN UNSTABLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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[03:18] <holycow> it's like they want to be using debian unstable unstable or something :)
[03:18] <dazzed> holycow: rawfles
[03:18] <UbuntuGet> scizzo, will do it..
[03:18] <] BreliC[> more like debian insane
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[03:18] <dazzed> lol how true how true
[03:19] <] BreliC[> or bipolar debian
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[03:19] <kkathman> how would I find out the version of a particular package that is installed on an ubuntu system?
[03:19] <dockane> i wondered why my laptop (p3 800, 192 mb sdram) "feels" quicker in working with gnome than my desktop (p3 800, 512 mb rambus, scsi) : maybe its because there is 386 kernel running instead of 686 ?
[03:19] <dazzed> damn charlies angels 2 is hot
[03:20] <ShaneAu> holycow, I can access the router from the linux box now
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[03:20] <holycow> wdh, *nod* i would interpret that page to be basically saying 'we need to optimize better'
[03:20] <bretzel> Happy birthday to meself -:)  -;(
[03:20] <ShaneAu> But I enabled that it be accessed remotly and only by the linux box's IP
[03:20] <giga> hello
[03:20] <] BreliC[> kkathman, if it's a binary, type the binary file in command like and -v (so, gcc -v)
[03:20] <] BreliC[> or gcc --version
[03:20] <holycow> wdh, i would say that as much as i like to hang ms, the do good work, those aren't stupid people, windows is optimized for a very specific task, and thats basically to trick the user into 'feeling' that its faster, when it isn't
[03:20] <wdh> holycow, i probably need to stop using this may applications simultaniously
[03:20] <dockane> how do i change that ? (386->686)
[03:21] <kkathman> thanks ] BreliC[
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[03:21] <giga> could you hlp me to fing good mp3 player for ubuntu?
[03:21] <dockane> or is there no difference
[03:21] <holycow> wdh, for example, people think windows starts faster, it doesn't it just shows the desktop while loading yet another minute in the background
[03:21] <wdh> holycow, true..
[03:21] <] BreliC[> kkathman, the other way to find out packages is to use dpkg -l (so, 'sudo dpkg -l | grep <packagename>')
[03:21] <dazzed> true
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[03:21] <holycow> wdh, as well, they do funky shit like share librariries with the system and ie and ms office, so when you start windows you start ie and office
[03:21] <guruff> hello :)
[03:21] <wdh> but still.. i like my system to respond when i 'ask' it something
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[03:21] <holycow> so sure office starts faster, its already urnning, which is exactly equivalent to if you have oo.o running and you open up a new window ... same speed
[03:22] <comforteagle_> Following ubuntuguide.org: when adding the extra repositories, adding ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat doesn't result in a good "apt-get update"
[03:22] <dazzed> ] BreliC[: dpkg -l packagename points to all locations of desired package
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[03:22] <ShaneAu> This is so strange, I can ping 192.168.1.3 (netgear router) but not trace...
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[03:22] <wdh> comforteagle_, as such, ubuntuguide.org is unofficial
[03:22] <holycow> wdh, i donno, don't feel your pain at all, apps take time to actually boot, and frankly the day linux starts oo and gimp when it boots is the day i shoot linus
[03:22] <wdh> comforteagle_, and so are the marillat repos
[03:23] <] BreliC[> dazzed, yeah, but 'dpkg -l | grep apache' for example, will show you apache related packages, and installed version number
[03:23] <comforteagle_> wdh, is there a more offical guide?
[03:23] <wdh> ghehe.. ok.. we misunderstood each othere earlier then..
[03:23] <dazzed> ] BreliC[: ahhh ok
[03:23] <wdh> holycow, i completely agree on the point you make now
[03:23] <holycow> wdh, what i'm suggesting here is that your expectation of 'responsive' is based on false ms tricks.  if you want the same nonsense here, talk to linus and have him boot oo and gimp as part of the kernel processes
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[03:23] <dazzed> is true
[03:24] <dazzed> holycow is a smart man
[03:24] <holycow> wdh, i will say that to ms credit, ms office is much better coded/optimized than oo, sure no question
[03:24] <Raskall> anyone got a "quick and dirty" howto of how to get a mobile phone to work via bluetooth? (dialup, phone-manager and obex file transfers)
[03:24] <wdh> holycow, well.. im talking about behaviour within already started applications as well
[03:24] <holycow> dazzed, i take no credit for that, it'z the waffles
[03:24] <holycow> >_>
[03:24] <guruff> holycow; ms office is better - i don;t agree at ALL
[03:24] <dazzed> -:)
[03:24] <dazzed> guruff
[03:24] <dazzed> read what he said
[03:24] <holycow> wdh, if oo is open you find opening a new window slow? aha :)
[03:25] <wdh> holycow, and lots of other things ;P
[03:25] <holycow> wdh, hehe *shrug* i have no answer to that :) lol
[03:25] <dazzed> "much better coded/optimized" being better is matter of opinion
[03:25] <] BreliC[> BUT, OOo quick launcher will make it launch as quickly as MS Office at the expense of some memory for the quicklauncher
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[03:25] <holycow> wdh, try kubuntu, particularly when kde 4.0 comes out, it will be compiled with gcc4 and should be screaming by all accounts :)
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[03:25] <dazzed> piss on kde
[03:25] <dazzed> ...
[03:25] <dazzed> lol
[03:26] <wdh> holycow, but for the last few days everything was extra-slow.. been installing xp in qemu :)
[03:26] <comforteagle_> is there a list of good outside repositories to add? I'm trying to get sound and mulitmedia to work specifically.
[03:26] <wdh> so  now suddenly everything seems fast again :)
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[03:26] <preglow> i'm trying to upgrade to amd64 breezy, but the dist-upgrade stops on package 'base-files' trying to overwrite /lib64 which also is in package 'lsb-core'. any pointers on how top fix this?
[03:26] <wdh> holycow, not sure what you mean.. screaming?
[03:26] <dazzed> preglow...if your wanting to install breezy dont expect help from me
[03:26] <bretzel> Q: I was used to launch klipper in gnome and its tray icon was visible into the gnome-panel tray, since I re-installed haory, and then kubuntu-desktop, klipper don't show in the panel ... any hints ?
[03:26] <ShaneAu> holycow, I have one of my NIC's going into my netgear routers WAN port (internet port?) what if I just put it in a normal LAN port, and not use the internet port in the router at all, would that possibly work?
[03:26] <dazzed> theres no point in updating to breezy at this time
[03:26] <preglow> gcc4 is a good point
[03:27] <preglow> you don't HAVE to help, don't worry
[03:27] <ShaneAu> I mean, one of the NIC's are conneted to the netgear routers wan port*
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[03:27] <dazzed> preglow: im just trying to make a point
[03:27] <preglow> i've gotten that point delivered five thousand times, don't worry
[03:27] <preglow> i know it's not supposed to work
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[03:27] <dazzed> preglow: updating to breezy will be like getting 20 new package upgrades on hoary...and having it be unstable and buggy
[03:27] <preglow> i'm comfortable with unstable
[03:27] <] BreliC[> hehe, if you're not a linux guru, you probably have no business/reason to upgrade to breezy right now
[03:28] <preglow> i'm a pretty experience linux user, i'm just not used to apt yet
[03:28] <dazzed> preglow: its not the unstable part as much as it its hoary as of right nwo
[03:28] <ShaneAu> That way I would be using it as a swtich, basically all i want to do
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[03:28] <holycow> ShaneAu, then you would be on the same subnet as the rest of  your lan, therefore yes, but you would haveto be in the same address space as the lan of course
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[03:28] <ShaneAu> yeah, that's what I'd like
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[03:28] <wdh> preglow, what do you expect from breezy that is not in hoary?
[03:28] <preglow> wdh: gcc4
[03:28] <ShaneAu> Just the router to act as a swtich, so I can use it's porst to connect others, and it's wireless
[03:28] <wdh> preglow, it is already in there?
[03:28] <ShaneAu> ports*
[03:28] <preglow> wdh: they say so
[03:28] <holycow> ShaneAu, all you haveto do then is set the default gateway for each of the pcs on the network to the ip of your linux box, that should work
[03:29] <dazzed> preglow: why dont u just get a source of gcc4 and compile urself
[03:29] <ShaneAu> And the DHCP server would do it's job?
[03:29] <preglow> dazzed: compile fails
[03:29] <ShaneAu> for the entire network
[03:29] <dazzed> so u expect it to work on breezy?
[03:29] <preglow> well, it's pre-compiled...
[03:29] <ShaneAu> (the dhcp server on the linux box, not just assign the router an IP_
[03:29] <holycow> ShaneAu, only if you turn off the dhcp server on the netgear box
[03:29] <ShaneAu> Cool then.
[03:29] <bretzel>  -- (gcc4) : I read that it is buggy ... dunoo exactly where, but >4.0 has fixed bugs...
[03:29] <ShaneAu> I'll try :)
[03:29] <hybrid_> dazzed: lol compile gcc? with gcc? lol
[03:29] <dazzed> well its precompiled but someone had to compile it to make it a .deb
[03:29] <SlackShrike> hi
[03:29] <wdh> holycow, ... and should be screaming by all accounts :)...  << what do you mean with that?
[03:29] <dazzed> hybrid_: ...
[03:29] <ShaneAu> Thanks :)
[03:30] <hybrid_> dazzed: it sounds funny
[03:30] <dazzed> true true
[03:30] <dazzed> i know
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[03:30] <holycow> wdh, very fast, kde is coded in c++ from what i remember, and gcc4 is supposed to by default deliver c++ some speedups
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[03:30] <dazzed> preglow: gcc4 is not worth the constant hassle of hoary......or should i say breezy
[03:30] <preglow> dazzed: gcc4 is in breezy, i've had several people tell me this, so that's not a problem
[03:31] <bretzel> okay: Please, I asked a question about kde's tray icons ( such as klipper ) don;t show in gnome-panel ... any hints whay ? ( it was ok before )
[03:31] <dazzed> well go ahead
[03:31] <dazzed> i maen
[03:31] <preglow> i can't, heh
[03:31] <dazzed> just change ur sources
[03:31] <wdh> holycow, would be nice.. but then again.. i used kde for a while.. and for some reason i got used to gnome after starting to use ubuntu.. and i dont like kde no more :P
[03:31] <dazzed> ...and if u didnt know that i really dont suggest u gettin on breezy
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[03:31] <preglow> i've done all that, but the dist-upgrade fails on what looks to be a package collision of sorts
[03:31] <holycow> wdh, same here
[03:31] <bretzel> wdth: This is my case also, but I still need KDE apps such as Klipper, kdevelop...
[03:32] <dazzed> preglow: like i said thats cuz its just about the same as hoary right now ^-
[03:32] <holycow> bretzel, me too, i used to use k3b, until someone here told me about gnomebaker :)
[03:32] <dazzed> and i wouldnt know wcuz im not even going to try installing til a month before final release
[03:32] <dcraven> gcc 4.0 is indeed in breezy, but breezy is a little brutal at the moment with regards to some libs... For example, it will remove evolution for you due to dependancy issues.
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[03:32] <Raskall> so there.. I've got my box up and running again and I am not so impressed with ndiswrapper any more, even though I use it now. ndiswrapper with intersil prism2.5 winxp-drivers crashed and burned my system. I am up again now after a complete reinstall. Had to get another wlan-card that I knew worked with ndiswrapper instead.
[03:32] <wdh> holycow, gnomebaker?? any better than graveman?
[03:33] <preglow> don't use evolution, so all's fine
[03:33] <dazzed> u listening ^
[03:33] <bretzel> holycow: I am happy with nautilus's embedded cd-dvd burn... but yet k3d or gnome-baker for refined iso file sys
[03:33] <holycow> wdh, never used graveman so not sure
[03:33] <dcraven> preglow: all set then. heh
[03:33] <holycow> bretzel, me too actually :)
[03:33] <dazzed> preglow: you can be stubborn all you want but you should take an oppinion of the 20 linux users telling u not to upgrade
[03:33] <preglow> dcraven: yes, if base-files upgrade had not vomited it would all be peachy
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[03:33] <preglow> i'll just wait a couple of days
[03:33] <hybrid> dcraven: try thunderbird in breezy
[03:33] <ShaneAu> Woo hoo, it works perfectly now... :D
[03:33] <bretzel> -- again please, any hints how klipeer don't show its icon in gnome-panel ? it was visible before I re-installed hoary
[03:33] <dcraven> preglow: good plan
[03:34] <ShaneAu> it was that simple, just moving it into the lan port
[03:34] <wdh> dazzed, what are you bugging him about?? he knows what the consequences are.. and ubuntu _needs_ users in development release for bugreports :)
[03:34] <dcraven> hybrid: it's all good.
[03:34] <preglow> dazzed: i'm not stubborn, i can help myself if something goes bad, i just don't know how to fix apt dependency crashes
[03:34] <dazzed> ok
[03:34] <dazzed> im just warning
[03:34] <hybrid> dcraven: yea
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[03:34] <ShaneAu> and this linux's dhcp server is assigning IP's now
[03:34] <holycow> ShaneAu, oh forgot to say one thing
[03:34] <dazzed> i just hate to see people get in over their head and then they complain in here
[03:34] <dazzed> ...
[03:34] <holycow> when  you are on the wan port ....
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[03:34] <holycow> you cannot assign your card an internal ip
[03:34] <elvirolo> join #ubuntu-devel
[03:34] <dcraven> There isn't even any point in filing bugs for breezy at this point, just fixing them.
[03:35] <holycow> its not routable via the wan port ... the netgear routing is hard wired for that
[03:35] <ShaneAu> ok
[03:35] <holycow> it actually doesn't make sense from a networking perspective
[03:35] <hybrid> is it true ubuntu edited firefox?
[03:35] <ShaneAu> I'm not using the wan port
[03:35] <holycow> hybrid, what do you mean edited?
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[03:36] <dazzed> theres just no point for a common user to upgrade to bleeding bloody cut throat still alive version of linux for a new version of gcc ...
[03:36] <wdh> hybrid, customised maybe :)
[03:36] <dcraven> hybrid: newer security patches are included in the Ubuntu version of firefox, yes.
[03:36] <dcraven> hybrid: as far as I know anyways.
[03:36] <hybrid> dcraven: ok ty
[03:36] <wdh> dazzed, who is the one complaining now?
[03:36] <dazzed> ME!
[03:36] <wdh> dazzed, :P
[03:36] <hybrid> wdh: define customized plz
[03:37] <dazzed> im very particular
[03:37] <wdh> hybrid, well.. define what you mean by edited :)
[03:37] <comforteagle_> Using synaptic to install mplayer... it says it installed it, but /usr/bin/gmplayer reports us null??
[03:37] <hybrid> wdh: did they trim features or added? i havent noticed any trimmings
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[03:37] <Nermal> lo lo
[03:37] <wdh> hybrid, i personally do no care whether it is edited.. i use it now.. and i like it.. so why bother about the original?
[03:38] <Nermal> any mysql 5.x beta debs available for ubuntu ?
[03:38] <hybrid> i was j/w
[03:38] <holycow> hybrid, there is no trimming going on, just patching
[03:38] <hybrid> ok
[03:38] <hybrid> ty
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[03:38] <ShaneAu> :( Now I want to get the linux box to share files, BUT its giving me "Sharing Services are not installed" when I got to System > Administration > Folder Sharing
[03:38] <dcraven> You guys need to smoke more weed.
[03:38] <dazzed> i do
[03:38] <dazzed> im smoking righ tnow
[03:38] <holycow> ShaneAu, go to ubuntu website and find out how to enable it
[03:38] <ShaneAu> But, I did check and samba and nfs seem to be installed
[03:38] <dcraven> *more*
[03:38] <ShaneAu> ok
[03:38] <holycow> you haveto install a bunch of things
[03:38] <ShaneAu> Oh crap, really
[03:38] <dazzed> lol
[03:38] <ShaneAu> :P
[03:39] <ShaneAu> ok
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[03:40] <wdh> dazzed, lets 'upgrade' to breezy :)
[03:40] <wdh> just for fun :)
[03:40] <dazzed> wdh: im on it
[03:40] <dazzed> right now
[03:40] <dazzed> wdh: the sad thing is...id be completely opposing side....if my conn was better than 56k
[03:40] <hybrid> dazzed: why did you upgrade?
[03:40] <ikaro> mojn
[03:40] <dazzed> :)
[03:40] <dazzed> hybrid: im upset that i upgraded to hoary actually
[03:41] <SaMRoX`> hi, i have a problem: I must use 60hz becouse of my monitor but gnome doesnt mantein that setting every time I restart.. how can i solve it?
[03:41] <dazzed> but i have a feeling breezy will be better
[03:41] <dazzed> plus i did to keep up
[03:41] <dazzed> but i think warty was a lil better
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[03:41] <dazzed> in my oppinion*
[03:41] <hybrid> dazzed: oh i like bleeding edge
[03:41] <wdh> SaMRoX`, buy a new monitor :P
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[03:41] <hybrid> i cant wait for them to do the sid style repos
[03:41] <dcraven> SaMRoX`: you can set your refresh rates in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[03:41] <SaMRoX`> wdh, thats not an option, please help me set 60hz as default!
[03:41] <wdh> hybrid, sid style repos?
[03:41] <SaMRoX`> thx dcraven
[03:42] <dazzed> hybrid: dont get me wrong if i had a conn that would do more than 5k/s then id be a bleeding edge man...but right now i have to make do with whats given to me :(
[03:42] <wdh> SaMRoX`, maybe 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' is a help for you
[03:42] <dcraven> SaMRoX`: no sweat, look for HorizSync and VertRefresh in the "Monitor" section in that file. It's pretty straight forward.
[03:42] <hybrid> wdh: yes it is rumored ubunut will have repos for "grumpy" that would be like sid is for debian
[03:42] <hybrid> dazzed: o i c
[03:42] <dazzed> i still wouldnt update to breezy right now though
[03:42] <dazzed> just silly
[03:43] <wdh> hybrid, grumpy is after breezy?
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[03:43] <dazzed> im no dev ...so...i mean id be contributing nothin
[03:43] <wdh> hybrid, in the whole city?
[03:43] <dcraven> dazzed: I'm in breezy, and yes, it was a silly move.
[03:43] <dazzed> lol
[03:43] <hybrid> wdh: no grumpy is going to be like still in dev always
[03:43] <holycow> you guys gotta try stream tuner ... i love just clicking on a random internet radio station and listening
[03:43] <dazzed> i mean if i REALLY new what i was doing enough to where it didnt really matter what shelled it out all i needed was the kernel and a console...id prolly upgrade...
[03:44] <hybrid> wdh: this is all forum speculation
[03:44] <holycow> you will need xmms or the like to play the streams of course, and w32codec i think? can't remember
[03:44] <dazzed> hybrid: san fran has free wifi...citywide?
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[03:44] <wdh> dcraven, just keep upgrading untill you like it.. and then stop with upggrading :)
[03:44] <hybrid> dazzed: they do or are about to...
[03:44] <hybrid> dazzed: Google is helping with it i believe
[03:45] <dazzed> hybrid: thats awesome...if i wasnt homophobic id move there
[03:45] <hybrid> lol
[03:45] <dcraven> wdh: Oh I like it fine now. I just wouldn't yet recommend it for others just yet :)
[03:45] <kev_> stupid question: i registered for the ubuntu wiki and have contributed quite a few pages. during my reigstration, however, i managed to spell my name wrong. any way of fixing that?
[03:45] <SaMRoX`> dcraven, another problem, I don't have xorg.conf :S
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[03:45] <wdh> hybrid, aah.. so thats why i read about grumpy groundhog for ages to be the succesor to hoary
[03:45] <dcraven> SaMRoX`: are you running Warty?
[03:45] <dazzed> i gotta pack up the computers here in a couple hours :(
[03:45] <kingsley> What's a good way to find which directory is hogging disc space? df and du report that 16 more GBs are stored on / than filelight.
[03:46] <SaMRoX`> dcraven, Im a newbie at linux, dont know whats Warty, I just installed Ubuntu and nothing else
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[03:46] <dazzed> i hate breaking down the co9mputers
[03:46] <dazzed> its such a pain
[03:46] <hybrid> dazzed: well maybe it will lead to others doing it . here in texas some reststops have wifi for free and they are working on giving all of them wifi
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[03:46] <holycow> SaMRoX`, well welcome to linux firstly :)
[03:46] <SaMRoX`> thanks :)
[03:46] <holycow> SaMRoX`, second make sure your havin fun
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[03:46] <dazzed> hybrid: the only thing that i have been to that has wifi is a couple bars,starbucks, and NEWEEST OF ALL the local wendys
[03:46] <SaMRoX`> yes im sure of that :D
[03:47] <dcraven> SaMRoX`: do you have a /etc/X11/XF86Config file?
[03:47] <dcraven> SaMRoX`: yeah, welcome aboard :)
[03:47] <SaMRoX`> dcraven, yes
[03:47] <dazzed> SaMRoX`: its going to be a hassle first couple of weeks but ull get through it ,.... reading is the best medicine
[03:47] <holycow> SaMRoX`, oh, thats bad
[03:47] <holycow> haha
[03:47] <dazzed> holycow: dont make him worried now
[03:47] <holycow> SaMRoX`, how in the world did you endup with xfree instead of xorg?
[03:47] <hybrid> dazzed: yea wendys starbux some hotels/motels reststop and truck stops
[03:47] <dazzed> :)
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[03:47] <hybrid> loves in arkansas has wifi
[03:47] <hybrid> idk whick 1
[03:48] <holycow> dazzed, okay okzy, sorry, it's not bad at all SaMRoX` :) i'm just surprised
[03:48] <SaMRoX`> I dont know :D
[03:48] <dazzed> lol thats tight
[03:48] <dcraven> SaMRoX`: sounds like you are running Warty then, that is the old release. If you have a broadband connection, I'd advise upgrading to Hoary (released a couple of weeks ago, and stable).
[03:48] <SaMRoX`> I dont remember of selecting it in the instalation
[03:48] <holycow> SaMRoX`, i'm with dcraven go to ubuntu site and download hoary iso, and install that
[03:48] <hybrid> dazzed: yea i do alot of traveling from east texas to memphis so i get to do alot of warspeeding
[03:48] <SaMRoX`> I just installed the cd Ubuntu sent me to Argentina, it took 3 months xD
[03:48] <holycow> SaMRoX`, just to make sure you have the cleanest start possible, then we can go from there
[03:49] <queuetue> Is there some tool that autmatically posts screenshots to a website?  I have a designer who's annoying me by making me repeatedly upload snapshots.  I'd just like to automate the process...
[03:49] <dazzed> hehhh
[03:49] <holycow> SaMRoX`, haha, thats the old version :)
[03:49] <holycow> rofl
[03:49] <dcraven> SaMRoX`: oh my.
[03:49] <holycow> are you on high speed by any chance?
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[03:49] <dazzed> queuetue: theres a few things that are semi sorta like that
[03:49] <SaMRoX`> holycow, fortunatelly, yes
[03:49] <queuetue> dazzed, Got a name for me?
[03:49] <dazzed> queuetue: but if they are being relayed to you by the shooter and ur doing the uploading...i dont think so
[03:49] <holycow> SaMRoX`, yeah just download via bittorrent you will get amazing fast speed
[03:49] <hybrid> SaMRoX: its okay upgraded in ubuntu is simple
[03:50] <dcraven> SaMRoX`: okay, well for your problem it makes no difference. The instruction I gave before still holds, only the file is called XF86Config. The syntax/content is identical to the xorg.conf file I mentioned.
[03:50] <SaMRoX`> ok.. tell me again becouse im lost, what should i download?
[03:50] <queuetue> dazzed, no I am the shooter.
[03:50] <dazzed> ohh ok
[03:50] <dazzed> well
[03:50] <dazzed> theres ftp drops
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[03:50] <SaMRoX`> ok dcraven, so i dont download anything for now?
[03:50] <dazzed> (it keeps the ftp conn open and u can drop files into it and just like a copy paste)
[03:50] <dcraven> holycow: why not just upgrade in place?
[03:50] <holycow> hybrid, should we get him to download iso or just upgrade?
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[03:50] <dazzed> i dont specifically know names though sorry
[03:50] <holycow> okay, help him upgrade :)
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[03:51] <SlackShrike> the Ubunutu-live do not find the cd! they alguem can help me?
[03:51] <shinu> hey i got some problems with madplay... it doesnt want to play mp3 files
[03:51] <holycow> hybrid, are you gonna run him through upgrade process?
[03:51] <dcraven> SaMRoX`: your call. You could upgrade to Hoary (recommended), or stay with the older version. Your current problem (60Hz Monitor) can be fixed either way, but other things will probably work better with the newer version.
[03:52] <SaMRoX`> shinu, i know little and nothing, but i know you must download something to play mp3 :D
[03:52] <dazzed> SaMRoX`: i suggest the hoary for a first time linuxer
[03:52] <dcraven> holycow: If he wants I will.. Just need to edit sources.list I imagine.
[03:52] <shinu> shinu: but madplay i think supports mp3 by default
[03:52] <holycow> lol *nod* i gotta go i don't have time to answer too many q's
[03:52] <shinu> damn...
[03:52] <holycow> :)
[03:52] <hybrid> holycow: yea i will
[03:52] <dazzed> dcraven: u can even do it in synaptic make things easier
[03:52] <shinu> SaMRoX`: but madplay i think supports mp3 by default
[03:52] <SaMRoX`> ok thx
[03:52] <dcraven> I have a feeling poor SaMRoX` might be getting overwhelmed in here.
[03:52] <dcraven> dazzed: I dunno how to do that.
[03:52] <JaGWiRE```> -09:52:23-  Quit (stub) (~stub@intern146.lnk.telstra.net) ("Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/")
[03:52] <JaGWiRE```> People actually use gaim for irc?
[03:52] <shinu> SaMRoX`:  All three audio layers  (Layer I,  Layer II,
[03:52] <shinu>        and Layer III a.k.a. MP3) are fully implemented.
[03:52] <JaGWiRE```> I neevr knew that..
[03:52] <shinu> thats what i understand by that
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[03:53] <dazzed> dcraven: just edit repos through synaptic...its more gui and user friendly but the text edit will teach him more
[03:53] <SaMRoX`> what about that "xorg" thing? its in hoary?
[03:53] <hybrid> yes
[03:53] <dcraven> We really should stop giving new users conflicting answers to thier questions.. lol
[03:53] <shock> actually I am looking for a good irc client (like xchat - but up-to-date) for OSX as we speak
[03:53] <SaMRoX`> ok thx to all, ill give it a try
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[03:53] <shock> right now its xchat but only on this ressource hogging X environment
[03:53] <hybrid> SaMRoX: come back when you are ready to upgrade
[03:53] <SaMRoX`> ok
[03:53] <dazzed> SaMRoX`: ill do a quick explination X is the controller of everything graphical on linux if it wasnt for X itd be a black and white console screen....X.org is the newest x server (best in my oppinion) xfree is slightly older
[03:54] <dcraven> I just got serious deja vu.
[03:54] <SaMRoX`> in a couble of minutes ill be going to the university, i think i will try it tomorrow
[03:54] <hybrid> lol
[03:54] <SaMRoX`> but ill be back :P
[03:54] <dcraven> dazzed: what's "console"?
[03:54] <dcraven> ;P
[03:54] <hybrid> :)
[03:54] <dazzed> hehe
[03:54] <Choubaka> :P
[03:54] <Choubaka> X isn't the only way to see graphics on linux though :)
[03:54] <dazzed> Choubaka: whatelse?
[03:54] <dcraven> Choubaka: shh..
[03:55] <SaMRoX`> thx dazzed, understood
[03:55] <Choubaka> I've used mplayer on console.
[03:55] <hybrid> lol
[03:55] <dazzed> im intrigued
[03:55] <hybrid> Chuobaka: yea for sound :P
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[03:55] <Choubaka> hybrid: no. for video :p
[03:55] <dcraven> framebuffer
[03:55] <dazzed> heh doesnt count
[03:55] <Choubaka> dazzed: well, there's directfb, SVGAconsole etc.
[03:55] <dazzed> Choubaka: ahh yes true true
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[03:56] <dcraven> I make ASCII graphics in console. ncurses is gui.
[03:56] <hybrid> i have seen those ascii movie players always wanted to try it
[03:56] <Choubaka> X is the only way to get a 3d-accelerated environment though.
[03:56] <SaMRoX`> hey, one more and I promise I dont bother u anymore...for now :P
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[03:56] <Choubaka> dcraven: Not really :P
[03:56] <SaMRoX`> in section monitor i have:
[03:56] <SaMRoX`> 	HorizSync	30-96
[03:56] <SaMRoX`> 	VertRefresh	50-160
[03:56] <dcraven> sure it is
[03:56] <Choubaka> it's a CUI
[03:56] <SaMRoX`> I whould change 30-96 to 60?
[03:56] <dcraven> haha
[03:56] <Choubaka> curses user interface.
[03:57] <dazzed> if it was up to me....id want 1 large transparent aterm....that i can seperate to 4 sections and do everything from there :)
[03:57] <SaMRoX`> and also the other.
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[03:57] <Choubaka> dazzed: get one aterm, and use screen? :P
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[03:57] <dazzed> lol....yeah
[03:57] <dazzed> but
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[03:58] <dazzed> i cant do EVERYTHIGN from term....other wised id end up just using console
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[03:58] <Chameleon22> can anyone suggest to me a very simple wiki i could use to make notes/document development process of an arbitarry project?
[03:58] <dazzed> i thikn terms are the coolest aspect of linux
[03:58] <dcraven> SaMRoX`: I imagine it's the VertRefresh one you want to set to 60.
[03:58] <dazzed> its like the window into teh core
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[03:59] <shinu> damn... died again...
[03:59] <SaMRoX`> dcraven, you are right
[03:59] <SaMRoX`> thx god I didnt touch it yet :P
[03:59] <SaMRoX`> so, I put 	VertRefresh	60 ?
[03:59] <dazzed> YOU JUST GOT BITCHED!
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[03:59] <SaMRoX`> or something like 	VertRefresh	50-60
[03:59] <SaMRoX`> ?
[03:59] <dazzed> if you know all u want is 60
[04:00] <dazzed> leave 60
[04:00] <holycow> SaMRoX`, you need to google the proper vert and h refresh rates for your monitor model
[04:00] <dcraven> SaMRoX`: I suppose. I doubt it *requires* a range, but if it does, and you want to peg it at 60, then do 60-60 or something.
[04:00] <SaMRoX`> ok thx
[04:00] <Choubaka> why not configure it using dpkg-reconfigure?
[04:00] <dazzed> SaMRoX`: best way to do it is find ur range from google like holycow mentioned
[04:00] <dcraven> SaMRoX`: I think a single value would be fine though.
[04:00] <SaMRoX`> holycow, that wouldnt help, my monitor should support up to 85 hz...but it is brroken :D
[04:00] <holycow> can you still hose a moni these days? i guess if its out of range most monis will just say out of range right?
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[04:00] <Myrtti> dcraven: I don't think it allows only single value
[04:00] <SaMRoX`> i whoul buy a new one
[04:01] <SaMRoX`> should
[04:01] <dcraven> Myrtti: okay, did you get the SaMRoX`?
[04:01] <Choubaka> holycow: yeah.
[04:01] <dcraven> SaMRoX`: Myrtti says it may need a range, so 60-61 or something will be fine.
[04:01] <dazzed> hour and a half til the CS201 final...(msoffice and what a computer is made outta class) final...then packing up the computers and moving home :(
[04:02] <SaMRoX`> ok dcraven thx
[04:02] <holycow> btw, if anyone is wondering where gnome stores your 'selected resolution' its in an xml file in either .gnome or .gnome2 in your home dir :)
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[04:02] <dazzed> holycow: lies!
[04:02] <dcraven> dazzed: msoffice in a 2nd year course? lol
[04:02] <dazzed> dcraven: dont ask...
[04:02] <dcraven> haha
[04:02] <dazzed> its mind boggling
[04:02] <SaMRoX`> what shoul I touch to edit whith gedit? It is shust doenst letting me to edit the value xD
[04:02] <dazzed> i have showed up twice...to each test...i currently have a98
[04:03] <dcraven> dazzed: what was your intro language, VB?
[04:03] <holycow> dazzed, good luck
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[04:03] <dazzed> ima need it
[04:03] <dazzed> vb
[04:03] <dazzed> yes
[04:03] <SaMRoX`> (sory about my horrorous (?) english)
[04:03] <dcraven> holy shame
[04:03] <dazzed> then c++
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[04:03] <dazzed> it is
[04:03] <dazzed> thats university for u these days
[04:03] <dazzed> they all about teaching what exists...not what could exist
[04:03] <visor> do you guys can see embeded video in realmedia format with realplayer 10?
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[04:04] <dcraven> SaMRoX`: you need to edit as a priveliged user.. "sudo gedit /etc/X11/XF86Config", then enter your password when it asks.
[04:04] <dazzed> except the book that was basically written by microsoft...gives *alot* of praise to linux...and supports it highly
[04:04] <SaMRoX`> ok, how do I edit in gedit?
[04:04] <SaMRoX`> ahh ok dcraven
[04:04] <SaMRoX`> thx
[04:04] <dcraven> dazzed: written by MS or published by MS?
[04:04] <dcraven> dazzed: what university is this? US?
[04:04] <dazzed> its niether...its just a book all about ms
[04:05] <dazzed> US...Alabama
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[04:05] <hybrid> SaMRoX sudo gedit /foo/foo
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[04:05] <dcraven> My school doesn't teach any MS specific stuff. I think I got very lucky judging by what I hear... Unless I want a job of course.
[04:05] <holycow> dazzed they all about teaching what exists...not what could exist  <-- thats a very wise statement
[04:05] <dazzed> theres a linux chapter...and if MS had anything to do with the book...they give credit where credit is due
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[04:06] <shinu> ha! my friend doesnt have internet and is reinstalling/upgrading his windows xD
[04:06] <dazzed> holycow: why thankyou
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[04:06] <Choubaka> shinu: What's "ha"? with that?
[04:06] <Choubaka> -?
[04:06] <mark__> have a question. How can I import many VCard in one operation into evolution??
[04:06] <hybrid> shinu: upgradin winblows sux
[04:06] <shinu> does madplay install mp3 support by default or do i have to add something?
[04:07] <dazzed> hybrid: it gets easy after the 300th time u have to do it:)
[04:07] <dcraven> shinu: that's probably the safest bet.. Windows with no Internet.
[04:07] <hybrid> dazzed: lol
[04:07] <Choubaka> dcraven: yeah.
[04:07] <sproingie> gah.  why are there so many *required* packages for [k] ubuntu-desktop?
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[04:07] <catfox> does anybody know what that theme is in this thread: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=29007
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[04:07] <hybrid> well when ME completely leaves your harddrive for no reason installin sux
[04:07] <ShaneAu> .
[04:07] <dcraven> sproingie: KDE is quite large, that's why.
[04:07] <catfox> i know it's a clearlooks, but don't know the colour scheme
[04:07] <Choubaka> Though a computer without a network is basically useless nowadays
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[04:07] <SaMRoX`> dcraven, do you know how could i login as root in the login screen? the installation didnt ask me for a password for root
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[04:08] <sproingie> dcraven: kubuntu or ubuntu, both are the same way.  like ppp, it's required, or it breaks like five core packages.  why?
[04:08] <shinu> does madplay install mp3 support by default or do i have to add something?
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[04:08] <hybrid> SaMRoX: there is no root
[04:08] <sproingie> dcraven: should just be recommended.
[04:08] <shinu> Choubaka: its just funny :P
[04:08] <dcraven> SaMRoX`: you can't. root is disabled in Ubuntu. When you use "sudo", you type in your user password.
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[04:08] <hybrid> SaMRoX: use sudo then command and use your pw
[04:08] <SaMRoX`> yes, I just noticed that
[04:08] <Choubaka> SaMRoX`: Don't login to X as root even if you could. EVER.
[04:08] <SaMRoX`> thx
[04:09] <pixil9> why?
[04:09] <SaMRoX`> why Choubaka?
[04:09] <shinu> hybrid: i double boot with win2k just in case i cant do something on linux
[04:09] <pixil9> I login as root to X all the time
[04:09] <hybrid> Chouka: why?
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[04:09] <Choubaka> SaMRoX`: it's unsafe.
[04:09] <hybrid> shinu: what would that be?
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[04:09] <Fab_> checking for gtk+-2.0 >= 2.0... Package gtk+-2.0 was not found in the pkg-config search path.
[04:09] <Fab_> Perhaps you should add the directory containing `gtk+-2.0.pc'
[04:09] <Fab_> to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable
[04:09] <Fab_> No package 'gtk+-2.0' found
[04:09] <dcraven> sproingie: is it necessary that [k] ubuntu-desktop be installed during the install process? I don't remember.
[04:09] <Fab_> configure: error: Library requirements (gtk+-2.0 >= 2.0) not met; consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if your libraries are in a nonstandard prefix so pkg-config can find them.
[04:09] <pixil9> no it's not
[04:09] <pixil9> just don't be an idiot.
[04:09] <Choubaka> yes it is.
[04:09] <Fab_> any help
[04:09] <pixil9> no it's really not
[04:09] <Choubaka> Or rather, it's useless.
[04:09] <shinu> hybrid: i never could bother to configure my wireless card on linux
[04:09] <scizzo> Fab_: you need the -dev package of libgtk
[04:09] <hybrid> lol
[04:09] <shinu> hybrid: and some old games :D
[04:09] <pixil9> it saves you the pain in the ass of typing sudo every 10 seconds
[04:09] <Choubaka> You can use the comp as a normal user just as well
[04:09] <Fab_> scizzo: thank you
[04:09] <visor> Fab_: install de dev packages of gtk2
[04:09] <hybrid> shinu: my airport work ootb
[04:10] <Fab_> visor: thank you :P
[04:10] <sproingie> dcraven: well for ppp, ubuntu-base actually depends on it.  even if you dont *have* a modem
[04:10] <shinu> hybrid: ootb?
[04:10] <Choubaka> pixil9: and it also makes you vulnerable to all kinds of other shit.
[04:10] <Fab_> the one thing that bothers me, why cant it just say that i need to install it :P
[04:10] <pixil9> ya if you're stupid.
[04:10] <hybrid> out of the box
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[04:10] <wdh> pixil9, sudo -s is a help on that :)
[04:10] <Choubaka> pixil9: -_-
[04:10] <shinu> hybrid: on ubuntu? what card you have? :D
[04:10] <pixil9> I prefer not typing sudo
[04:10] <scizzo> Fab_: because they expect you to read the requirements?
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[04:10] <SaMRoX`> Ok, im going to the university, thx to all for the help, im sure tomorro (or this night, who knows :P) ill be back with a loooot of more doubts :P:P bye!!
[04:10] <pixil9> why not just login.
[04:10] <Choubaka> pixil9: lazy ass.
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[04:10] <visor> so, anybody get realplayer embedded in mozilla and not in its own window?
[04:10] <pixil9> lol ya
[04:10] <shinu> hybrid: please... not something expensive i cant afford :P
[04:11] <Choubaka> pixil9: because it's unsafe.
[04:11] <scizzo> Fab_: did you read the README and INSTALL?
[04:11] <wdh> pixil9, sudo -s basically logs you in..
[04:11] <Fab_> scizzo: okay, thats possible ;>
[04:11] <hybrid> shinu: i have airport but it seems to only work on *my* network
[04:11] <Twiggy> Hey I'm looking through synaptic for the assistive technology support plugins in gnome, but I can't find them, can anybody point me in the right directino/
[04:11] <pixil9> or su -
[04:11] <wdh> much like su - does ;)
[04:11] <shinu> hybrid: huh... :D
[04:11] <dcraven> sproingie: well I can understand the meta-packages having huge dependancies, I just think it should be an option during the install to not install any of the meta-packages.. That would be a good way to go.
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[04:11] <Choubaka> pixil9: Windows would not suffer from spyware and viruses half as much if it was usable as non-admin user.
[04:11] <hybrid> shinu: 500$ for an iBook g3
[04:11] <Fab_> scizzo: i figured you people in here would help me quicker then cat readme is executed ;)
[04:11] <hybrid> not bad
[04:11] <shinu> hybrid: haha :D
[04:11] <pixil9> I know.. but we don't have to worry about that yet do we
[04:12] <sproingie> dcraven: not installing ubuntu-base is not much of an option
[04:12] <catfox> hi all
[04:12] <catfox> does anyone know why a server, doing daily backups, would gradually run out of swap space? where's a good place to track this down?
[04:12] <pixil9> and i've still never had a virus in windows
[04:12] <hybrid> shinu: viva la ebay
[04:12] <shinu> hybrid: someday... maybe :)
[04:12] <pixil9> with no virus protection in 14 years
[04:12] <shinu> hehe
[04:12] <sproingie> dcraven: it's the same thing we crucify MS for, making us install unnecessary junk
[04:12] <wdh> Choubaka, you can.. but noone does it :)
[04:12] <topyli> sproingie: for example, the 'gnome' package depends on either evolution or balsa
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[04:12] <Choubaka> wdh: yeah
[04:12] <wdh> pixil9, its still quite useless :)
[04:12] <Choubaka> because it's a fucking pain in the ass.
[04:12] <scizzo> Fab_: then don't ask why the application does not tell you what you should install
[04:12] <hybrid> pixil9: i doubt that you prolly had a boot virus or an undetecable one: my sis runs xp and it has many but doesnt affect it much
[04:13] <sproingie> pixil9: most viruses dont pop up on friday the 13th and say "u r 0wnzr3d" now.  how do you know you don't have one now?
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[04:13] <topyli> dcraven: you can install the minimum install, then apt-get what you want like in debian
[04:13] <pixil9> because i look at my processes?
[04:13] <Fab_> scizzo: aight, if you stop taking things to seriously ;)
[04:13] <dcraven> sproingie: that's my point. The install should offer an "expert" mode where you have a choice of metapackage or no metapackage... But of course that's too 'confusing'.
[04:13] <scizzo> Fab_: you should always read the README and INSTALL file before compile
[04:13] <sproingie> pixil9: AHAHAHAAAAA
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[04:13] <dazzed> god im bored
[04:13] <hybrid> pixil9: omg
[04:13] <ivoks> ola
[04:13] <dcraven> topyli: Okay, cool. I had forgotten :)
[04:13] <pixil9> It's called security task manager.
[04:13] <Choubaka> on linux, using the computer as a user is easy and natural.
[04:13] <pixil9> not ctrl-alt-escape.
[04:13] <Fab_> scizzo: i know, and i promise next time i will before bothering you :)
[04:13] <SlackShrike>  when i use the live-cd to boot this return this message: "No common CD-ROM drive was detected" who can help me?
[04:13] <Choubaka> and using it as super user is not required.
[04:13] <sproingie> pixil9: i dont think you're clueless so much as trolling
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[04:14] <Choubaka> on windows, you just can't do the most basic things without being admin :P
[04:14] <ivoks> any ubuntu developer here? ubuntu 5.04 has really nasty bugs
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[04:14] <pixil9> Have you ever used security task manger? no
[04:14] <pixil9> so stfu
[04:14] <hybrid> pixil9: do you know what vb6 is?
[04:14] <dazzed> Choubaka: to truly use linux...you need super user
[04:14] <Choubaka> dazzed: no you don't. :)
[04:14] <topyli> dcraven: if you use tasksel in debian, you end up with things like ubuntu-desktop
[04:14] <Choubaka> you only need sudo
[04:14] <dazzed> to use it to play music and burn cds...no
[04:14] <wdh> pixil9, why do you think they invented a virusscanner if all you need to do is watch at the processes??
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[04:14] <Choubaka> dazzed: ?!
[04:14] <dazzed> well sudo is an impersination of super user
[04:14] <dazzed> ...
[04:14] <wdh> pixil9, theres more to it than that imho
[04:14] <dazzed> u tricked me
[04:14] <pixil9> Look at security manager.. then talk to me
[04:14] <dcraven> It's the users that login as root that will make Linux as suseptable to malware as Windows is now. Funny thing is, the folks who do that are the Windows people who switch to Linux to avoid the malware.
[04:14] <pixil9> thanks.
[04:14] <Choubaka> dazzed: well, yeah.
[04:14] <megamind> can someone tell me how do i install DNS server in ubuntoo ? plz
[04:14] <hybrid> pixil9: vb is the perfect virus language
[04:15] <dazzed> trickster!
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[04:15] <pixil9> haha ubuntoo
[04:15] <dazzed> ubuntu* :)
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[04:15] <dazzed> ooboontoo
[04:15] <scizzo> megamind: apt-cache search bind
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[04:15] <megamind> ok thanks let me try
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[04:16] <dcraven> heh
[04:16] <Choubaka> pixil9: how about human error?
[04:16] <Choubaka> everyone makes mistakes.
[04:16] <Choubaka> _EVERYONE_
[04:16] <dcraven> not me
[04:16] <dazzed> Choubaka: i dont..
=== sproingie hms.  security task manager looks a whole lot like protection to me.  'course I dont see it picking up anything that really would want to hide
[04:16] <pixil9> I've made my mistakes
[04:16] <hybrid> me either
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[04:16] <pixil9> but i back my shit up
[04:16] <dazzed> lol
[04:16] <Choubaka> dazzed: dcraven: don't lie.
[04:17] <hybrid> i never lie and i am perfect
[04:17] <sproingie> hell that screenshot alone doesn't even show all the tasks
[04:17] <dazzed> every mistake i make is on purpose!...to learn more :)
[04:17] <Choubaka> and if you're root, your system can get hosed by a simple typo.
=== Nalioth has made mistakes logged in as root...and learnt his lesson(s)
[04:17] <dazzed> Choubaka: much truth
=== topyli has rm -rf'ed his home dir once
[04:17] <pixil9> That's why I said you can login as root if you don't be an idiot lol
[04:17] <dcraven> It's not the users data I'm concerned about with logging in as root, it's the propogation of malware that I hate. It makes the Internet a friggin' spam and junk yard.
[04:17] <sproingie> personally i dont like the idea of superusers
[04:17] <Choubaka> pixil9: bad troll.
[04:18] <Choubaka> or by a bug in an app you'd normally use as nonprivileged.
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[04:18] <hybrid> Choubaka: that is miskleadin: if you are root and type cd /home/hybrid/desktop you are tellin me my system will blow away
[04:18] <pixil9> you're a fucking troll
[04:18] <pixil9> stop telling people they can't login as root
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[04:18] <pixil9> Whoever asked the option is in gdm config
[04:18] <topyli> sproingie: yes! every user and every process is born equal and free
[04:18] <sproingie> on really secure systems, the account that can change the security settings of others can do pretty much NOTHING else
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[04:18] <dcraven> pixil9: Are we allowed to recommend against it?
[04:18] <pixil9> I don't care lol
[04:18] <dcraven> thanks
[04:18] <dazzed> im too worried about my own mistakes to log in as root
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[04:19] <Choubaka> pixil9: everyone makes mistakes.
[04:19] <Choubaka> pixil9: even the best.
[04:19] <dcraven> I'd hate to troll when I only like to offer help.
[04:19] <Nalioth> i like the "sudo only" option immediately available here
[04:19] <FlyingSquirrel32> This weekend I tried to set up NFS and DNS on my ubuntu system, it seems these are not on the CD.
[04:19] <Choubaka> Give me one good reason to use the computer as root anyway. :)
[04:20] <Choubaka> and saving 10 seconds with sudo is not one
[04:20] <wdh> pixil9, its not even about mistakes.. there can still be bugs in programs.. causing your system to be extra vulnerable to intruders/virusses
[04:20] <dcraven> Choubaka: let's not feed him.
[04:20] <sproingie> under the surface, windows has a way superior security model.  then they threw all this crap on top that requires a more or less flat permission space
[04:20] <wdh> Choubaka, 10 seconds?
[04:20] <Choubaka> dcraven: I always get carried away.
[04:20] <Choubaka> wdh: he said it. :)
[04:20] <dazzed> lol guys its coool let him log in as root all he wants...and when he crashes ...its his comp not ours
[04:20] <dcraven> Choubaka: we all do.
[04:20] <wdh> Choubaka, how much time does it take you to type 'sudo -s'?
[04:20] <Choubaka> 0.5 seconds? :P
[04:21] <sproingie> frankly i just want to be able to name a file PRN, CON, or NUL on windows without things blowing up
[04:21] <FlyingSquirrel32> What does it take to set up my own repository on my private net?
[04:21] <hybrid> wdh: 3 hrs
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[04:21] <dazzed> .2 for me
[04:21] <dcraven> dazzed: yeah but it's the poor people in his addressbook who suffer.. hehe
=== hybrid curses fat fingers
[04:21] <membreya> woohoo I managed to fix something with breezy :D
[04:21] <dazzed> heh
=== sproingie bemoans his prn collection :p
[04:21] <topyli> FlyingSquirrel32: it's in the apt-howto
[04:21] <dazzed> congrats :)\
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[04:21] <Nalioth> membreya, congratulations
[04:21] <FlyingSquirrel32> thanks.
[04:21] <dazzed> membreya: a thank you ahead of time for the thing you fixed on my future breezy
[04:21] <wdh> membreya, woohoo.. i managed to dodge the same problem by not using breezy :P
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[04:22] <E0x> hello
[04:22] <dazzed> ello
[04:22] <hybrid> hi
[04:22] <dazzed> ell o ell
=== sproingie finds breezy pretty stable.  'course being debian it's STILL at the tender mercies of DD's
[04:22] <sproingie> e.g. where the hell is postgresql 8.x?
[04:22] <dazzed> sproingie: OH NO!
[04:22] <Choubaka> sproingie: depends on how you define stable. :)
[04:23] <dazzed> sproingie: im sorry :(
[04:23] <membreya> it was the eth0 not being able to be reliably mapped error :)
[04:23] <dcraven> sproingie: I find it stable too.. Just not real apt-friendly at times.
[04:23] <wdh> sproingie, breezy is pretty much 'debian unstable unstable', as holycow just pointed out :)
[04:23] <topyli> it will break folks, don't worry
[04:23] <dazzed> my laptop is prolly gettin breezy sometime near future
[04:23] <Choubaka> at least after gcc4 starts breaking things
[04:23] <dazzed> it can be risked to format
[04:23] <dcraven> topyli: it has a couple of times so far :)
[04:23] <sproingie> dcraven: eh, i havent had an apt meltdown for a while.  sometimes mass breakage like when kde migrated
[04:23] <topyli> heh
[04:24] <Choubaka> apt meltdown. hee. :)
[04:24] <sproingie> dcraven: i remember the big perl debacles of debian years ago.  nothing like that
[04:24] <dcraven> sproingie: I've never been a Debian boy, so I don't recall those years.
[04:25] <dcraven> Well.. I did use Debian for a week prior to Ubuntu acutally, so that was a lie.
[04:25] <dazzed> 2 days in a row casino is on
[04:25] <thenuke> how do I create passwordless account?
[04:25] <membreya> thenuke: you need to create a system account
[04:25] <sproingie> i find 'em to be pretty much the same.  ubuntu has better amd64 support, so i picked it instead of vanilla
[04:25] <dazzed> ubu is only debian distro for me
[04:25] <thenuke> membreya: ah ok, hmm, I wonder how I do that :)
[04:25] <dazzed> this whole apt-get stuff is new to me
[04:25] <membreya> sproingie: that's why I jumped from MS Windows to Linux :)
[04:26] <dcraven> You can have passwordless accounts?
[04:26] <sproingie> with vanilla debian, you have to pick out special repositories
[04:26] <Choubaka> Hmm
[04:26] <pixil9> thenuke: you can make gdm autologin a user
[04:26] <dazzed> membreya: i jumped from Windows to slackware...imagine that :)
[04:26] <Choubaka> Actually, I'm afraid of Linux distros becoming mainstream
[04:26] <sproingie> 'course picking a 64 bit distro is biting me when i want to learn haskell.  ghc support on x86-64 is pretty spotty
[04:26] <dcraven> Choubaka: *me too*
[04:26] <sproingie> Choubaka: they *are* mainstream, depending on which stream you swim in
[04:26] <dazzed> there arent enough of us to make linux "mainstream"
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[04:26] <Choubaka> ignorant people might _really_ start using their machines as root.
[04:27] <catfox> does anyone know why a server, doing daily backups, would gradually run out of swap space?
[04:27] <dcraven> Linux is doomed when it becomes mainstream.
[04:27] <membreya> sproingie: so run a chroot for 32bit
[04:27] <thenuke> pixil9: I dont want that, I dont even have gdm
[04:27] <Choubaka> Ubuntu is doing a good thing though, disabling root login :)
[04:27] <sproingie> Choubaka: you work in IT, you almost certainly have a redhat box.  we standardized on RHEL, which really irritated me since we were going with SuSE before we got bought out
[04:27] <dazzed> dcraven: not so much...itll just make us make something cooler
[04:27] <dazzed> :)
[04:27] <membreya> Choubaka: easy enough to get around if need be :P
[04:27] <sproingie> and parent company uses RHEL
[04:27] <membreya> and I have needed to a few times, like when I nuked my passwd file :P
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[04:27] <dcraven> dazzed: yeah.. I don't feel like starting over again though. It's been a long haul.
[04:28] <Choubaka> membreya: well, the ignorant user won't try.
[04:28] <pixil9> Why is linux doomed when it's mainstream
[04:28] <Nermal> hmm.. whats the nicest way to configure network interfaces without gnome installed ?
[04:28] <dazzed> dcraven: much truth...
[04:28] <Choubaka> He'll use sudo
[04:28] <Nermal> just edit /etc/network/interfaces ?
[04:28] <Choubaka> and it's good.
[04:28] <dazzed> im glad someone is putting up the fight though
[04:28] <membreya> Nermal: that's right
[04:28] <Nermal> rightho
[04:28] <Choubaka> but if root login were enable, there's a chance the user will use that.
[04:28] <membreya> thenuke: man adduser
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[04:28] <membreya> Choubaka: true :)
[04:28] <Choubaka> enabled*
[04:28] <njan> Choubaka, people will only start using root if a) they're home users who use distros who make it easy to run as root pr even pander to it (ahem, linspire), b) they have incompetant IT staff, or c) they *are* incompetant IT staff.
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[04:29] <membreya> njan: can I take all the above? :P
[04:29] <Choubaka> njan: or they want stuff easy.
[04:29] <dazzed> lol njan
[04:29] <dcraven> pixil9: commercialism ruins everything.. Not to mention the malware.
[04:29] <njan> membreya, sure! Run linspire in a corporate network! :)
[04:29] <sproingie> membreya: got to pull over way too much crap to do a 32bit chroot
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[04:29] <Choubaka> you see, as root you don't have to type "sudo"
[04:29] <membreya> njan: why not lindows? :P
[04:29] <membreya> oh ok sproingie :(
[04:29] <njan> membreya, linspire == lindows
[04:30] <dazzed> Choubaka: its not even a matter of ease...people who use root have a personal vandetta...something to prove...cuz its raelly not harder to type sudo in any form or fashion
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[04:30] <membreya> njan: I rest my case :P
[04:30] <Choubaka> dazzed: yeah.
[04:30] <njan> membreya, uh.. yeah. Whatever your case was :p
=== sproingie just reboots to windows if the haskell bug bites.  which it hasnt in a while anyway :(
[04:30] <E0x> anyone know a way for auto-save the iptable rules
[04:30] <dcraven> We might be getting carried away with the root thing.
[04:30] <E0x> i remember a scritp , but right i can find it
[04:30] <dazzed> lol
[04:30] <njan> Choubaka, no distribution should make it so hard to do anything that people are obliged to run as root
[04:30] <dazzed> just a lil
[04:30] <dazzed> i tell you im bored
[04:30] <Choubaka> njan: yeah
[04:30] <njan> Choubaka, if anyone is running as root to '[have]  stuff easy', that distribution has failed as a distribution for that individual.
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[04:31] <Choubaka> njan: You just said that no distro should become windows. :P
[04:31] <njan> or that individual is ambitiously stupid, and you can't plan for the ambitiously stupid.
[04:31] <sproingie> i typically have a root shell open
[04:31] <membreya> njan: what about packages that you need to compile yourself? :)
[04:31] <njan> Choubaka, actually, windows is moving far, far away from having people run as an administrator.. look at longhorn's fundamentals ;P
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[04:31] <pixil9> lol go fuck yourself
[04:31] <thenuke> membreya: adduser --system test  creates an account without password and which then cannot login :P
[04:31] <njan> membreya, make install is the only thing that requires running as root, and then you run as you again :p
[04:31] <Choubaka> njan: longhorn isn't here yet.
[04:31] <dcraven> membreya: install them in $HOME
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[04:31] <Choubaka> XP is still unusable as a normal user.
[04:32] <Choubaka> at least IME
[04:32] <shinu> why when i do:mount -t smbfs //192.168.1.10/animedump /mnt/remote/ it doesnt work...
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[04:32] <membreya> thenuke: AFAIK you can't have a systemuser with a shell, but I'm a newbie
[04:32] <njan> Choubaka, no, but it's on the way - winxp actually has quite a lot of options for running as a regular user, the problem is the developers who've developed as administrators and made it impossible not to run as one.
[04:32] <megamind> is bind a dns server for ubuntoo ?
[04:32] <membreya> shinu: you got smbfs installed?
[04:32] <shinu> when i do dmesg|tail i get smb_fill_super: missing data argument
[04:32] <Choubaka> njan: good point.
[04:32] <pixil9> megamind: sure any many others
[04:32] <pixil9> and*
[04:33] <Choubaka> megamind: Ubuntoo? :P
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[04:33] <njan> Choubaka, http://blogs.msdn.com/aaron_margosis <= that's worth a read if you're interested in this with reference to windows.
[04:33] <megamind> which one u prefer me ... pixil9
[04:33] <Nalioth> njan membreya i prefer checkinstall over "make install", although it still requires root authority
[04:33] <Choubaka> I sincerely hope Windows'll get better.
[04:33] <pixil9> megamind: i run bind on all of my work servers.
[04:33] <shinu> membreya: uh... its a winxp share im trying to mount, is that question still valid?
[04:33] <membreya> yes
[04:33] <sproingie> administrator can pretty immediately screw things up by deleting, sure, but to *really* hose things up creatively, you need LOCALSYSTEM
[04:33] <sproingie> there's a utility out there that will open a shell with LOCALSYSTEM access
[04:33] <njan> Choubaka, it will. Longhorn is going to be a very strong product offering. imo, the security model is actually far more capable than the security model in the vanilla linux kernel (and by extension in ubuntu,debian, etc), but we'll see :)
[04:33] <membreya> shinu: sudo apt-get install smbfs
[04:34] <shinu> membreya: ok thanks
[04:34] <kalidor> i installed xorg-driver-fglrx for my radeon 9700, but now i see violet and green glitches in some images or icons, i tried doing fglrx_xgamma -gamma 1.0 but it misses library libfglrx_gamma.1
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[04:34] <njan> heya, chase.
[04:34] <sproingie> njan: i'll believe it when i see it.  similar claims were made of windows 2003
[04:34] <membreya> njan: they should rename longhorn to longload with all its bloat
[04:34] <megamind> ok ... how can i activate my NTFS and FAT partitions on ubuntoo ? plz
[04:34] <Anlar> njan: well, some morons (core kernel devs) are seeing still the security as just one another thing that can be slapped on top of the thingy.
[04:34] <Choubaka> njan: MS has a reputation of screwing up lots of good stuff with lousy implementation.
[04:34] <shinu> membreya: i got it by default on last system so thought... :P
[04:34] <Choubaka> njan: and as long as they want to maintain legacy compatibility...
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[04:35] <membreya> megamind: too long to explain on the channel, www.ubuntuguide.org
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[04:35] <njan> sproingie, most of the claims are true, the problem is with implementation and development. If you actually take advantage of all that 2k3 offers, you have a very secure system, but most people, and most developers (including microsoft's), don't.
[04:35] <sproingie> i betcha that longhorn STILL has drive letters and magic filenames
[04:35] <sproingie> e.g. just TRY to create a file named CON, PRN, or NUL
[04:35] <njan> Anlar, yupm and most kernel devs don't really have any requirement or motivation to care about security.
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[04:35] <pixil9> Yeah because that would be really smart to take out drive letters
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[04:35] <pixil9> and confuse 5 billion windows users
[04:35] <pixil9> lol.
[04:35] <sproingie> pixil9: no one is listening to you anymore.  go away
[04:35] <sigpc> lol
[04:35] <sproingie> [07:35]  [Ignore]  Added pixil9!* to your ignore list.
[04:35] <GoneBoB> he has a point though
[04:36] <pixil9> lol good
[04:36] <sproingie> he might.  still a pissant
[04:36] <pixil9> I've had enough of your nerd talk anyway.
[04:36] <Anlar> njan: they rely on mostly obscurity (and not security) and their policy is that security must not have any toll on the speed etc.. so, the model is doomed
[04:36] <Fab_> pixil: ehm, if windows would have 5 billion users, billie boy would already govern the universe ;)
[04:36] <GoneBoB> agreed
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[04:36] <dcraven> Drive lettering seems so weird.
[04:36] <pixil9> Fab_, Yes because i was being literal.
[04:36] <sproingie> volume labels arent universally bad, no, drive letters are just degenerate volume labels
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[04:36] <pixil99> Hey retard learn how to ignore on irc
[04:36] <sproingie> i dont see them going away either.  the magic filenames irk the shit out of me
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[04:36] <GoneBoB> sproingie: far from
[04:37] <Fab_> scizzo: it worked out :) evidence is pretty cool ^_^
[04:37] <GoneBoB> sproingie: drive letters change
[04:37] <njan> Anlar, :).. personally, I think the kernel team are good at what they do - maintaining the upstream core of any linux distribution. I'm staking my security on projects like rsbac which actually redesign the components of the kernel required to be redesigned in order to give the linux kernel similar capabilities to the windows kernel in the future.
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[04:37] <GoneBoB> volume labels do not
[04:37] <Choubaka> actually, you can mount partitions on NT afaik
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[04:37] <Choubaka> to directories.
[04:37] <GoneBoB> Choubaka: you can yes
[04:37] <aeho> what I can do: mplayer crashed and "killall mplayer" doesn't do anything
[04:37] <njan> Anlar, same reason that anyone who argues that the kernels from kernel.org change / break too quickly - anyone using them for anything in production is crazy; distributions repackage and test kernels, and that's the way it should be. It's an added layer of protection, capability, and assurance.
[04:37] <pixil9> actually it's called a hostmask *!*@host LOL
[04:37] <chombee> Hi guys - I have a messed up config that I don't understand, I tried fixing it but turns out it's still messed. My computer is sending cron and anacron messages to an external email address. So I think it is postfix related config that must be wrong, right? Does anyone know how I can reset/reinstall postfix and all its related config files, including hosts and alias files etc?
[04:37] <Anlar> njan: they do piss poor job. they are great coders but they won't let stuff like pax of rbac in, ever.
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[04:38] <GoneBoB> Choubaka: /etc/aliases
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[04:38] <sproingie> Anlar: pax has sort of a bad history with security.  rsbac is a technical disagreement, and frankly kind of lost out to SELinux
[04:39] <njan> Anlar, nope, and tbh, it might not be a bad thing. The vanilla linux kernel is used for all kinds of things which don't require rsbac and don't want it - for embedded applications it'd be a real pita to remove. So let the kernel.org people maintain the kernel, let rsbac add to it, and let the distributions use the rsbac repackaged version. That way you have all the strength of multiple versions of the kernel without having to maintain kernel-vanilla, kernel-harde
[04:39] <njan> ned, kernel-embedded, etc, and synchronising changes between half a dozen different trees.
[04:39] <njan> sproingie, I'd disagree with you on every point there; I don't think rsbac has lost out to selinux, and they don't quite choose to do the same thing - and I'd definitely disagree with your statement that "pax has.. a bad history with security"
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[04:40] <wdh> aeho, still?
[04:40] <pixil9> That's because sproingie is a 16 year old kid who has never worked a day in his life.. but somehow is a guru on *nix with ubuntu and knows everything
[04:40] <membreya> chombee: checked your main.cf in your /etc/postfix dir?
[04:41] <membreya> I strongly suggest that you do a man postfix
[04:41] <randabis> lol
[04:41] <Choubaka> ARGGH
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[04:41] <tsume> pixil9: please behave
[04:41] <Choubaka> There are no ops on this channel either :(
[04:41] <tsume> pixil9: keep the personal attacks to PRIVMSG. Thanks.
[04:41] <pixil9> Ya there are.. they just use the bots
[04:41] <wdh> megamind, gimme gimme gimme :)
[04:42] <wdh> megamind, or actually.. tellme tellme tellme :)
[04:42] <njan> sproingie, Selinux "is not intended as a complete security solution for Linux. Security-enhanced Linux is not an attempt to correct any flaws that may currently exist in Linux. Instead, it is simply an example of how mandatory access controls that can confine the actions of any process, including a superuser process, can be added into Linux"
[04:42] <aeho> wdh, yep
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[04:42] <sproingie> njan: thought it was pax that was finding a new hole in the design every week or so.  so much duplication, could have been thinking of something different.   selinux is in most vendor kernels, rsbac isnt
[04:42] <njan> (from http://www.nsa.gov/selinux/)
[04:42] <Nalioth> membreya, what did you fix?
[04:42] <membreya> Nalioth: that stupid eth0 cannot be mapped reliably error message
[04:42] <sigpc> stop cutting and pasting njan
[04:42] <sigpc> :P
[04:42] <chombee> yeah - I checked it. I didn't find anything in there. Yeah I've done man postfix. Basically I've looked through all the /etc/postix/ files and /etc/alias and /etchosts, and maybe some others, attempting to remove instances of the domain that is erroneously being sent to, and making sure root, postmaster etc are defined as the local user, trying to get it to send the cron and anacron messages locally, but still it
[04:42] <chombee> sends them out
[04:42] <njan> sigpc, be quiet, that's the first thing I've copied and pasted :p
[04:43] <Nalioth> membreya, did you change it to "you are all buggered up" or something?
[04:43] <wdh> aeho, you could try to get its PID by issueing 'ps -aux |grep mplayer'. And then kill that pid with 'kill -9 PID'
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[04:43] <sproingie> njan: i certainly prefer rsbac's philosophy and thought linux's built-in approach was a gross hack when i first saw it.  unfortunately now that they do conflict, rsbac aint likely to make it in anymore
[04:43] <pixil9> chombee, What's the problem with postfix?
[04:43] <njan> sproingie, selinux is in most vendor kernels, rsbac isn't.. and you extrapolate from that that rsbac has lost? USB1 is in most PCs, USB2 isn't in as many.. does that mean that USB1 is more advanced than USB2 and that USB2 has lost?
[04:43] <membreya> Nalioth: commented out eth0 in /etc/iftab
[04:43] <Nalioth> membreya, thats a easy fix
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[04:43] <membreya> Nalioth: but a fix!
[04:43] <membreya> :P
[04:44] <membreya> and since I've only been on linux for like 2 months :P
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[04:44] <Nalioth> membreya, think i would a changed the error message to something like "your expensive whole house and garden implementation of cat5 is now useless"
[04:44] <chombee> pixil9 - Well, the problem is that cron and anacron messages keep getting sent from my machine to root@domain.org, where domain.org is not the local domain and has nothing to do with my machine, so this root is getting spammed. Since postfix is the only MTA I think is installed...
[04:44] <aeho> wdh, it worked
[04:44] <aeho> thanks
[04:44] <sproingie> njan: if your criteria of "winning" is a better design, then sure, rsbac has won.  if it's deployments however ... and BTW, every new pc comes with usb2, which is backward compatible and made by the same people
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[04:45] <pixil9> chombee, Is it doin this off default install?
[04:45] <wdh> aeho, yw
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[04:45] <chase> hi njan sorry didnt see you up there
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[04:45] <chase> how you doing?
[04:45] <membreya> cat5 Nalioth ? :| cat6 baby
[04:45] <cyberix> The xscreensaver of Ubuntu hoary crashes. :-(  I had to explain a "joe user" how to torn it off.
[04:45] <njan> sproingie, they don't conflict. rsbac is a whole framework which does a variety of things, selinux is an example implementation of one specific security architecture
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[04:46] <Anlar> njan: as they both need the same hooks, they do conflict.
[04:46] <Nalioth> membreya, sorry i'm stuck with traditional 10/100 hardware, havent had the dough for the fancy gigabit stuff
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[04:46] <njan> sproingie, and hardened linux is *VERY* new turf. There's definitely room for competition, and it's embryonic enough that you can't say one is more accomplished than the other
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[04:46] <membreya> Nalioth: I want 10gb :D
[04:46] <pixil9> chombee, I believe you'd configure that with myhostname =
[04:46] <pixil9> in main.cf
[04:47] <njan> Anlar, in that you can't use them on the same machine, sure. I wasn't arguing that - sproingie was arguing that in general, rsbac has lost and since its goal conflicts with selinux  and (according to him) everyone uses selinux and no-one uses rsbac, rsbac is a futile effort.
[04:47] <njan> Which imo is totally untrue :)
[04:47] <pixil9> njan: sproingie knows all.
[04:47] <sproingie> njan: thank you for putting words in my mouth
[04:47] <njan> sproingie, you're welcome. :)
[04:47] <chombee> pixil9 - I've been running the sytem for months, from warty to hoary, and it just seemed to start doing this a few weeks ago for no reason. The one thing I can think of is that I installed SendMail - I gave it all default configs except for the question about the domain that will follow the @ in emails you send, which I set as domaon.org, the domain that is now getting spammed. My installing SendMail did not coinc
[04:47] <chombee> ide with the spam starting, it was months before, and when I tried removing SendMail it was not there. I removed a couple of pkgs that were sendmail related, didn't help
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[04:48] <pixil9> sendmail is gone now?
[04:48] <chombee> pixil9 - yeah. I seached synaptic for sendmail, nothing installed.
[04:48] <pixil9> o i see it now
[04:48] <njan> not bad, chase, you?
[04:48] <pixil9> i'm reading the highlighted red in xchat :P
[04:49] <shinu> how do i upgrade wxGTK?
[04:49] <pixil9> so if you telnet localhost 25
[04:49] <pixil9> it's postfix correct? heh
[04:49] <shinu> apt-get upgrade wxgtk?
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[04:49] <chase> njan, been worse had a docs appoint about ma head acks and thinking about moving Uni from aberttay to dundee
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[04:49] <seeker_> how can I open/close ports?
[04:49] <chombee> pixil9 - yes
[04:50] <sproingie> chombee: checked the sendmail.m4 files to see if there's anything related to "unqualified addresses"?
[04:50] <chombee> postfix answers
[04:50] <pixil9> chombee: what is your myhostname = option in main.cf ?
[04:50] <MonkeyINAbaG> anyone else having frequent amsn crashes?
[04:50] <Anlar> njan: well, I've done a bit research on these things and they take different approaches.. they both might be good, I don't care about the philosphical moot crap talk. just use them well. but they are very far from complete and especially getting some heavy weigh tools to the official kernel tree is nearly impossible due the current policies. so go figure out.. :)
[04:50] <chombee> pixil9 - checking
[04:50] <chombee> sproingie - where are those files?
[04:50] <njan> Anlar, yup, they do take different approaches, and they are far from complete. As I said before, this is very new turf, but imo, rsbac is the best opportunity linux has to move to a better security model.
[04:50] <Anlar> njan: I'll setup selinux when I have time. I tried last weeked but managed to trash my system. JFS did not support xattr properly (a bug in the fs most likely) and.. ah well.
[04:51] <chombee> i guess i can find out
[04:51] <sproingie> chombee: should be in /etc/mail
[04:51] <pixil9> sproingie, thx again
[04:51] <pixil9> /etc/postfix.
[04:51] <njan> Anlar, :).. imo rsbac is strong not just because of all of the security models it enables, but the other things it allows you to do with the kernel as well, like on-access virus scanning.
[04:51] <seeker_> how can I open/close ports?
[04:51] <sproingie> chombee: sounds to me like you might still have postfix running tho ... make sure you've actually installed sendmail right
[04:51] <njan> Anlar, selinux does *one* thing, and is a bit inflexible. It's great if that one thing is all you want to do, but it's a niche market compared to the framework rsbac opens up.
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[04:52] <chombee> sproingie - yes postfix is running. I actually want SendMail to be gone
[04:52] <Anlar> njan: yes. but rsbac will not get into the official tree. there is lots of internal politics etc going on there.. for instance exec-shield is getting (SLOWLY) into the official tree.. though the "other implementations" on the same "technology" are technically superior. go figure, but exec-shield's main dev (mingo) is working for Red Hat.. ;)
[04:52] <sproingie> chombee: ah, wise choice for your sanity ;)
[04:52] <Anlar> njan: I have to admit thought that exec-shield has got uplifts lately.
[04:52] <sproingie> chombee: unfortunately my postfix is rustier than my sendmail.  might try #postfix?
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[04:53] <chombee> pixil9 - myhostname=localhost.localdomain
[04:53] <chombee> sproingie - might try it
[04:53] <njan> Anlar, oh, god no. Like I said before, I don't necessarily know that I'd want it to. Leave the kernel team to what they're good at - maintaining the upstream vanilla kernel. If people want a kernel for anything else (secure server, embedded device), let them repackage the upstream kernel for that and pass that along to distributers.
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[04:54] <pixil9> chombee, I'm new to ubuntu i've been a freebsd user for years.. but what about exim for local mail?
[04:55] <pixil9> I remember seeing it somewhere.
[04:55] <Anlar> njan: security is a thing required in all the environments slowly. and some of those features are really small and have virtually no performance hit. if that stuff doesn't get into the official kernel tree, unfortunately most of the people ARE stupid and will never get the security features even in the situations they should. face it, 90+% of the "admins" are plain fucking stupid.
[04:55] <Anlar> njan: I'm getting fed up personally with kids ddossing me. :>
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[04:55] <shinu> why doesnt apt-get upgrade wxgtk work?
[04:55] <tosti> i am new to UBUNTU and have a question: how is mouse handled? i havent found GPM :)
[04:55] <pixil9> chombee: Yeah you want to be looking at the exim configs
[04:55] <sigpc> one thing I don't like about ubuntuguide.org is that it gives examples of adding more repo's and they are unstable which isn't good for new users.
[04:55] <Anlar> njan: one day a year ago or so half of the Nasa ddossed my ISP.. wasn't "fun". then go talk about it being "voluntary" to have security (features).
[04:56] <pixil9> chombee: or remove it completely.
[04:56] <njan> Anlar, possibly - it's something distributions have to move on, though, not kernel.org - the kernel team cannot force the entire community to move to a securer OS model. That has to be done by distributions like redhat and adamantix who've started moving hardened computing into datacenters.
[04:56] <Anlar> njan: I get the point but I'm really getting fed up.
[04:56] <chombee> pixil9 - I think all the MTAs share some config files, so ny replacement MTA I install will do the same thing. I never edited any postfix config, so how else would it happen?
[04:56] <njan> Anlar, I feel your pain :p.. that's an even broader problem that the industry is going to have to address :/
[04:56] <pixil9> I'm thinking sendmail fucked up the exim4 configs
[04:56] <pixil9> Try reinstalling exim.
[04:56] <tsume> Anlar: yep :) most admins just go for thier certs, and forget everything ;)
[04:57] <pixil9> Do a complete remove
[04:57] <njan> Anlar, and Microsoft are already trying harder than people realise. I'd be surprised if longhorn didn't have an impact on DDoS and spam.
[04:57] <pixil9> --purge all the config files
[04:57] <tsume> Anlar: or don't learn it to begin with :)
[04:57] <chombee> pixil9 - exim is not installed
[04:57] <tosti> feel like being ignored :P
[04:57] <pixil9> okay. hold on
[04:57] <Anlar> njan: starting to use the SELinux in targeted mode and enforcing on by default is a start. the toolchains etc will have the support and it's on.. the policy just isn't touching more than a few things at the beginning.
[04:57] <sigpc> plus that marillat guy is an idiot
[04:57] <ricardo_> hi. i'm new to ubuntu. my problem: my network can't see my ubuntu box . how to do ? (you can also give me a link to configure it)
[04:57] <chombee> pixil9 - I would remove postfix, but a bunch of stuff depends on it
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[04:57] <sigpc> breaks packages
[04:57] <sigpc> for example mplayer
[04:57] <sigpc> he slaughtered that one
[04:57] <pixil9> chombee: bad thing about ubuntu for me is I have no fucking idea how it all works but I like not setting anything up on install :P
[04:57] <Fab_> ricardo_:if you mean like network shares for other computers, try samba
[04:58] <Anlar> Longhorn will be SWEET. beautiful, fast, packed with lots of nice tools, usable, quite secure, packed with lots of features we will see on Linux in 5+ years if ever, ..
[04:58] <Fab_> there are tuts in the forum and in the ubuntuguide
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[04:58] <njan> Anlar, it's a start. It's a start which will falter, though. Use rsbac to do the same thing and you actually have a roadmap ahead of you for a flexible and comprehensive set of additions to linux; selinux would simply be a paradigm shift in security model, and once that shift has been made, it'll pretty much stop there, unless the goalposts are *really* changed.
[04:58] <Fab_> anlar: yes, and with lots of spying included ;)
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[04:59] <Anlar> fab: actually, not. the base system is really different. really secure.
[04:59] <chombee> pixil9 - what if I note each pkg depending on postfix, complete remove postfix, then add them all one by one again, is that safe? Would it even reset the config files? I don't think it would remove the system config file(s) that SendMail might have messed up
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[04:59] <herrie-aab> hello do somebody know how i can play mp3 files with linux ubuntu:S:S:???
[04:59] <DJSelbeck> install XMMS?
[04:59] <tosti> herrie-aab: XMMS, mpg123, mp3blaster
[04:59] <herrie-aab> i'll have it
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[04:59] <chombee> herrie-aab - install xmms, or bmp, or gstreamer0.8-mad
[05:00] <njan> Anlar, unfortunately, I think that most linux users and distributions are going to be totally surprised when longhorn is good. The linux community is so used to being complacent and windows-bashing that they don't realise the changes which are coming. Even with all of the stops pulled out and rsbac incorporated into most of the major distributions, I think the linux community would have their work cut out - although it *does* all depend on how aggressive the chan
[05:00] <ricardo_> Fab, i've red the ubuntu guide, configured samba, but it doesn't work
[05:00] <njan> ges in fundamentals are.
[05:00] <Anlar> fab: the base system of longhorn will be a bit like using rsbac with really tough bad guy default policies. if you can get something escalating there you must be a really really moronic user and screw lots of things up.
[05:00] <herrie-aab> chombee..thnx
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[05:01] <Anlar> njan: yes. Longhorn will be THE strike against F/OSS stuff. they are doign everything they can to deliver a punch that simply ends the competition. hell, I would.
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[05:01] <njan> Anlar, indeed. But tell that to most F/OSS people and you just start a flamewar.
[05:01] <Anlar> njan: ok, knowing that the basics of our computing hasn't changed since the 60s, .. there is nothing really Big.. but it will be a consistent damn good package.
[05:01] <njan> Anlar, it's a *HELL* of an argument starter. People just have their heads buried in the proverbial sand.
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[05:01] <seeker_> can someone please tell where I can find the list of opened/closed ports and how do I open or close a port?
[05:02] <chombee> anyone know how I would grep for a particular string in all files on my machine?
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[05:02] <Anlar> njan: consistency is the key thing. everything will act and work the same and your tasks will be done without silly gaps.
[05:02] <snader> chombee: sudo grep -R "particular string" / would work
[05:02] <Anlar> njan: that's something oss "community" can't reach since they can't even decide which one is their arse and which one their head
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[05:03] <njan> Anlar, one can only hope. It'll certainly be much more of an even playing field. This 'security' thing which linux has done better than windows for the last ~7 years just isn't going to be an advantage any more.
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[05:03] <njan> Anlar, succinctly put ;)
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[05:03] <Anlar> njan: I've tried to talk.. mostly at Bugzillas.. some listen, some do not. and I've got a tiny project too that I would like to push through this summer
[05:03] <snader> chombee: you can use "grep -Ri" for case insentive search
[05:04] <chombee> thanks snader
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[05:04] <kokotchY|aw> hello
[05:04] <wasabi> How can I disable hotplug temporarily?
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[05:04] <pixil9> chombee: what is your /etc/mailname
[05:04] <sproingie> apple hasnt managed to eviscerate linux with OSX, MS sure won't with longhorn
[05:04] <pixil9> wasabi: ps aux |grep hotplug
[05:04] <njan> Anlar, what's the project?
[05:04] <snader> wasabi: /etc/init.d/hotplug stop
[05:04] <wasabi> If I do that, my cursor disappears in X.
[05:05] <rumo> sorry for interrupting. but is there a gpg-key fr the backports.ubuntuforum.org repository. apt says it skips a .GPG file in this repository
[05:05] <pixil9> wasabi: is your mouse usb? :P
[05:05] <wasabi> Yup.
[05:05] <pixil9> lol.
[05:05] <wasabi> I don't want it unloading any modules.
[05:05] <chombee> pixil9 - domain.org, the domain being spammed! What is thie file for?
[05:05] <wasabi> I just want it to stop loading new ones.
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[05:05] <hybrid> sproingie: if ms wanted to kill linux and were smart they would revive xenix
[05:05] <kokotchY> I would like install php on my apache server... apt-get install php, ok. But I did'nt have a connection
[05:05] <pixil9> chombee: change that to localhost.localdomain
[05:06] <chombee> pixil9 - I will do that for sure.
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[05:06] <pixil9> man mailname
[05:06] <kokotchY> I have downloaded the files .deb for php
[05:06] <pixil9> I'm guessing sendmail did that to ya
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[05:06] <tosti> i am new to UBUNTU and have a question: how is mouse handled? i havent found GPM anywhere :)
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[05:07] <pixil9> wasabi: well ps aux|grep hotplug and kill it
[05:07] <kokotchY>  is that sufficient?
[05:07] <wdh> tosti, what do you mean exactly?
[05:07] <pixil9> wasabi: or killall -9 hotplug may work
[05:07] <chombee> pixil9 - I've learned my lesson about sendmail, believe me. I have one pissed off root@domain.org
[05:07] <bet0x> nice
[05:07] <pixil9> sendmail sucks ass imo
[05:07] <tosti> wdh: well... i have trouble with nonworking mouse :)
[05:07] <pixil9> i've been using postfix forever
[05:07] <tarvid> trying out ubuntu on a thinkpad t20, live and install cds complain they cannot find the cdrom after booting off it
[05:07] <bet0x> now i have a exact hostname acord to my person
[05:07] <bet0x> :d
[05:07] <sproingie> looks like breezy won't debootstrap for a chroot.  trying hoary
[05:07] <tosti> [logitech trackball on ttys1] 
[05:08] <wdh> tosti, what kind of mouse, what kind of trouble, what have you tried?
[05:08] <kokotchY> Is there a way to install some software without connection ?
[05:08] <wdh> tosti, i cannot read your situation :)
[05:08] <pixil9> chombee: Well hopefully you restart postfix and all is good? :P
[05:08] <tosti> wdh: and cursor doesnt move :( and there is no mouse on text console [Ctrl+Alt+F1] 
[05:08] <kokotchY> apt-get install anoption soft
[05:08] <kokotchY> and get the list of package to install ?
[05:08] <sproingie> hybrid: omfg, xenix.  xenix was a joke even back then
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[05:09] <zeebu> hi
[05:09] <chombee> pixil9 - looking at the man page, this certainly looks like the problem. I will have to restart postfix and wait until I see a cron or anacron message arrive locally, before I know it's safe. (do you know where they should get sent so I can check? Or I could watch the mail.log for it)
[05:09] <sproingie> hybrid: i dont think god himself could revive xenix's dessicated corpse.  anyway, all of xenix went to a little startup called SCO
[05:09] <tosti> wdh: Logitech PS/2 trackball connected to COM2 port. looks like not working at all. dont know why. in Mandrake/RedHat/Slack worked...
[05:09] <pixil9> Well it should be going to root@localhost.localdomain
[05:09] <pixil9> if you change that
[05:09] <zeebu> is there anyone around that can help with a screen resolution issue?
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[05:09] <hybrid> sproinge: well a modern day xenix longunix
[05:09] <kkathman> I had 10 updates today, but one didnt install the kdelibs :(
[05:10] <pixil9> and if you config'd a user on install
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[05:10] <hybrid> sproingie: so thats where it went
[05:10] <pixil9> I could really care less about mail on my ubuntu desktop.. i have no mta :P
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[05:10] <sproingie> hybrid: they have SFU (nee interix) which is actually quite good
[05:10] <kkathman> anyone know what this one means:  E: /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4-0x1.6b7820000005ap-1363.4.0-0ubuntu3.1_all.deb:  trying to overwrite `/usr/share/icons/default.kde', which is also in package knetworkconf
[05:10] <sproingie> hybrid: and from what 've heard, they're really ramping up scripting in longhorn.  'course i've heard THAT before
[05:10] <chombee> pixil9 - there is no root user, but root=myuser is set in /etc/alias. How do I check roots mail though? Setup root@localhost in Evolution?
[05:10] <Nalioth> zeebu explain your problem
[05:10] <tosti> wdh: and i have tried nothing, becouse dont know where to start :)
[05:11] <sproingie> hybrid: there was this longhorn shell preview that was really nice ... word is it's been cancelled, longhorn will just have CMD.EXE like everything else
[05:11] <MarcN> kkathman: ha!  I *just* ran into that when I apt-get upgrade.
[05:11] <hybrid> sproinge: imho longhorn will be like ME hyped to death rushed to oblibation
[05:11] <pixil9> chombee: type mail in console
[05:11] <sproingie> hybrid: i so doubt MS's ability to deliver on their commitments now
[05:11] <kkathman> MarcN: yep me too
[05:11] <eszanthrick> tosti, do you have a USB keyboard?
[05:11] <zeebu> Nalioth: thanks... i'm just using a laptop which can handle 1280x1024, but for whatever reason, under the admin -> screen resolution menu, it is only letting me select 1024x768
[05:12] <pixil9> chombee: I use mutt to check my local mail.
[05:12] <tosti> eszanthrick: 'normal' keyboard and mouse on COM2
[05:12] <MarcN> kkathman: I'm removing knetworkconf and then try to upgrade.
[05:12] <shinu> is there any other web browser installed in ubuntu?
[05:12] <hybrid> sproingie: ppl say ms wanted tiger to be released first to cough steal cough get ideas
[05:12] <hybrid> shinu: by default?
[05:12] <sproingie> hybrid: i doubt MS cares what apple's release schedule is
[05:12] <shinu> hybrid: yeah
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[05:12] <shinu> i bet not.
[05:12] <chombee> pixil9 - and will the command 'mutt' open the local mailbox for the current user, or do you have to tell it the mailbox?
[05:13] <sproingie> hybrid: they're having serious difficulty enough with their own
[05:13] <pixil9> chombee: for the local user
[05:13] <hybrid> i dont think so
[05:13] <chombee> pixil9 - looks like my answer is yes
[05:13] <shinu> thanks
[05:13] <sproingie> lacking monad/msh, i see admining longhorn from the commandline will still be as much of a chore as it ever was
[05:13] <chombee> okay well no mail right now.... wait and see
[05:13] <Nalioth> zeebu what is your video chip, laptop model, etc...   the more info you can put into chan, the more likely it will trigger some1s noggin
[05:13] <hybrid> sproingie: idk they maybe looking for another steal like with the apple I
[05:13] <bet0x> OFFTOPIC -ChanServ-     FORGET      Make ChanServ forget your channel FOREVER <-- What is this option?
[05:13] <sproingie> they should just opensource monad
[05:13] <pixil9> chombee: I've never done it otherwise.. though you could fetch your mail to evolution with a pop3 daemon.
[05:14] <Nalioth> shinu unknown, but there are several available if they are not
[05:14] <shinu> ok
[05:14] <chombee> pixil9 - will mail for local users go through port 25 (so I can watch it for traffic?)
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[05:14] <shinu> how can i open an html file to view code?
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[05:14] <Nalioth> shinu, DUH any text editor
[05:14] <MarcN> kkathman: I removed knetworkconf, upgraded and then reinstalled kubuntu-desktop which added back the knetworkconf
[05:14] <Nalioth> shinu for fancy code readin, install quanta
[05:14] <shinu> Nalioth: i vi-ed it :D
[05:14] <sproingie> monad's great because it has pipes, but you can pipe whole objects, not just text
[05:15] <pixil9> Chombee, I don't think so. i think it just runs a command
[05:15] <zeebu> nlaioth: i can specify those details, but i have no idea what you mean by "chan", somels, and noggin?
[05:15] <shinu> Nalioth: ok thanks
[05:15] <pixil9> Chombee, not positive though.
[05:15] <Beuno> hey, I just got ubuntu hoary server version up and running, and Im having trouble share internet with the rest of my network, can anyone point me somewhere?
[05:15] <pixil9> Anyone know a good thumbnail program that will just make thumbs of my pics and create an html?
[05:15] <shinu> Nalioth: i tried vi and didnt seem to work
[05:15] <pixil9> I want something light weight.
[05:15] <sigpc> pixil9: gallery2
[05:15] <chombee> pixil9 - Okay, well I can just check mail for a few days until I see. Thanks a lot looks like you solved a real nasty problem
[05:15] <shinu> Nalioth: no wait...
[05:16] <chombee> pixil9 - Gtumb will do that
[05:16] <pixil9> chombee, create an html?
[05:16] <chombee> gthumb
[05:16] <kkathman> Marc - easier way...Im checking on something now
[05:16] <sigpc> pixil9: gallery2 dude
[05:16] <pixil9> ok
[05:16] <chombee> yeah it well, select a bunch of pictures and choose 'export to web album'.
[05:16] <Nalioth> zeebu the more information about your hardware platform you can put and the problem you are having into the chan(nel) the more likely someONE will have that knowledge in their noggin (american idiom for "head")
[05:16] <sigpc> here's an example: http://ducks.harrisplace.net
[05:16] <pixil9> sigpc: got a link?
[05:16] <sigpc> one sec
[05:16] <pixil9> I want to run it off boa
[05:16] <zeebu> nalioth: aha, thanks, now i'm with you! :)
[05:17] <pixil9> I'm turning my old beater into my pic hosting machine
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[05:17] <sigpc> http://gallery.menalto.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=index
[05:17] <chombee> piil9 - example: http://seanh.freeshell.org/web-album-montreal/index.html
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[05:17] <chombee> pixil9
[05:17] <pixil9> chombee, gthumb did that?
[05:17] <chombee> pixil9 - yeah
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[05:18] <pixil9> chombee, k how? :P
[05:18] <pixil9> that's all i need
[05:18] <tosti> anyone knows "how ubuntu knows" what mouse is connected? where is any config of WHAT ane WHERE is connected?
[05:18] <ivoks> tosti ?
[05:18] <Astinus_> how do i configure my monitor in ubuntu so that i can change refresh rate?
[05:18] <pixil9> gotta make a catalog?
[05:18] <ivoks> tosti ur mouse tells him
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[05:19] <kkathman> MarcN: its a package error, unfortunately, very odd for ubuntu :(
[05:19] <pixil9> ah "create web album" pimp.
[05:19] <MarcN> Anyone running Wordpress on Hoary?  I've upgraded and WP says: "Your PHP installation appears to be missing the MySQL which is required for WordPress".  But phpmyadmin still works.  Any ideas?
[05:19] <chombee> pixil9 - have all your images in a folder, open one of them with gthumb so that it opens the folder, select all thei mages in gthumb then one of the gthumb menus has an 'export to web album' or 'create web album'. You can choose theme and other settings, and put comments, and the css is easy to customise after gthumb finishes.
[05:19] <ivoks> kkathman ubuntu has quite number of package errors
[05:20] <tosti> ivoks: and what to do if if doesnt understand what my mouse tells him?
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[05:20] <chombee> pixil9 - there are tools that create better web albums, but gthumbs are perfectly good and it's easy
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[05:20] <kkathman> ivoks: guess I've just been lucky .. I just updated a bunch of stuff, I hope that one doesnt mess things up
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[05:20] <pixil9> Sweet. That is PERFECT.
[05:20] <MarcN> found the WordPress 1.5/Hoary problem answer: http://www.macewan.org/index.php?m=200504  trying it now...
[05:20] <MetalProc> I have troubles upgrading kde, this is what it says:
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[05:20] <ivoks> kkathman did u try to create kernel image with make-kpkg?
[05:20] <pixil9> http://68.147.151.46:888
[05:20] <pixil9> heh
[05:20] <MetalProc> Errors were encountered while processing:
[05:20] <MetalProc>  /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4%3a3.4.0-0ubuntu3.1_all.deb
[05:20] <MetalProc> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[05:20] <chombee> pixil9 - I thought it was pretty sweet when I spotted that too
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[05:20] <ivoks> chombee nice, didn't know that
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[05:21] <ivoks> tosti ok, where is the problem?
[05:21] <MetalProc> Anyone else encountered that?
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[05:21] <drcodedd2> Hi all
[05:21] <drcodedd2> can I update modules?
[05:21] <drcodedd2> by apt-get?
[05:21] <tosti> ivoks: installed ubuntu, turned it on, and mouse "acts as being dead"
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[05:21] <tosti> ivoks
[05:21] <drcodedd2> I have some drive call osst , I want to update to new ver
[05:21] <pixil9> except it fucked up haha.
[05:21] <ivoks> tosti mouse connected?
[05:22] <MetalProc> I tried it few days ago and it still does that also
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[05:22] <icaro> is it posible to install the livecd in a computer?
[05:22] <pixil9> mj4 and on hmm
[05:22] <tosti> ivoks: but on other OS [DOS / win98 and 'live linux' of some kind it worked...] 
[05:22] <k4rl> icaro: no
[05:22] <k4rl> (unfortuantely)
[05:22] <Beuno> hey, I just got ubuntu hoary server version up and running, and Im having trouble share internet with the rest of my network, can anyone point me somewhere?
[05:22] <tosti> ivoks: surely connected, ad unbroken
[05:22] <ivoks> tosti ctrl+ald+backspace
[05:22] <ivoks> alt, not ald
[05:23] <tosti> and what it does?
[05:23] <ivoks> restart X
[05:23] <tosti> :)
[05:23] <Sphearion> http://codex.wordpress.org/Installing_WordPress  <-- glad I don't need help
[05:23] <k4rl> icaro: well, I guess you could pull tricks by running things when yo uwere in the livecd, but you can't follow a nice menu setup at ll.
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[05:23] <icaro> ok, thanks k4rl
[05:24] <tosti> ivoks: but i restarted whole machine and it didnt help...
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[05:24] <pixil9> chombee: you look?
[05:24] <ivoks> tosti ok, ctrl+alt+f1
[05:24] <sig> anyone else see that ubuntuguide.org is down?
[05:24] <icaro> just one question more, is there a small cd for networkinstallation?
[05:24] <ivoks> tosti log in and open /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[05:24] <kkathman> ivoks: Nope, all I did was I went to the KDE menu, tried to to a system update, got 10 things, clicked install, and 9 installed fine but the last one did not
[05:25] <sig> anyone happend to have the ubuntu5.04.tar of the ubuntuguide.org ?
[05:25] <drcodedd2> is there possible auto module update?
[05:25] <chombee> pixil9 - huh?
[05:25] <tosti> ivoks: now i am @work... but ill try it later @home :)
[05:25] <ivoks> kkathman ah... ubuntu is work in progress and will be couple of years if they contiune with this tempo
[05:25] <ivoks> tosti well, check out logs
[05:26] <ivoks> tosti and do dmesg | grep mice and dmesg | grep input
[05:26] <dcraven> sig: there is always the Google cache.
[05:26] <kkathman> ivoks: well its a first for me and Ive been running a few months now
[05:26] <dcraven> sig: http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:oCNVrC8mgQ8J:ubuntuguide.org/+ubuntuguide&hl=en
[05:26] <ivoks> tosti if dmesg reports there is mouse, look at Xorg logs and find out what's up with ur mouse
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[05:27] <chombee> pixil9 - oh yeah - it was set to the domain in question. I changed it to the local domain. I bet that was the problem, it REALLY looks like it
[05:27] <chombee> pixil9 gotta restart postfix now
[05:27] <ivoks> kkathman i've been using debian for couplse of years and i see how far ubuntu is from complete operating system :)
[05:27] <MarcN> Hmm, my hoary php4 doesn't have mysql support (--without-mysql).  Warty did....
[05:27] <ivoks> MarcN are u sure?
[05:27] <kkathman> ivoks: well ok...I understand
[05:28] <tosti> ivoks: and if there isnt any mouse...? [all my previous experience with mice&linux involved GPM...]  :)
[05:28] <MarcN> ivoks: that is what <?phpinfo()?> says
[05:28] <ivoks> tosti if kernel doesn't recognise ur mice, that's a problem
[05:29] <MarcN> ivoks: but oddly phpmyadmin works.
[05:29] <MarcN> ivoks: now how is that possible?
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[05:29] <ivoks> MarcN odbc?
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[05:29] <tosti> ivoks: is there a way to FORCE kernel to look on CERTAIN port for CERTAIN mousetype?
[05:29] <ivoks> i don't know...
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[05:30] <tarvid> back again, I have a T20 which won't load either live or install
[05:30] <ivoks> tosti no
[05:30] <MarcN> ivoks: local mysql server.
[05:30] <sproingie> debootstrap no workie.  resolver is broken
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[05:30] <ivoks> tosti kernel probes on ps/2
[05:30] <sproingie> kind of hard to apt-get install resolver without a resolver
[05:30] <ivoks> tosti i'm sure dmesg will tell u there is mouse
[05:30] <tarvid> the cd is actuall an NEC DVD RW awhich knoppix installs as /dev/scd0
[05:30] <sproingie> s/resolver/resolvconf
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[05:30] <tarvid> any workaround?
[05:30] <Kanga> hello all
[05:30] <tosti> ivoks: hmm... that would be strange, as there is no PS2 port :D
[05:31] <ivoks> tosti USB mouse?
[05:31] <tosti> ivoks: serial
[05:31] <MarcN> ivoks: hmm, under phpinof, says for dbx supported: mysql odbc postgresql... Is that how apache2/php4 now connects to db?
[05:31] <ivoks> omg! :)
[05:31] <tosti> ivoks and on ttys1 :)
[05:31] <Kanga> if i do a clean install on a hard drive does ubuntu let me partition the drive?
[05:31] <ivoks> tosti maybe serial ports aren't supported? or serial mouse?
[05:31] <ivoks> tosti wait...
[05:31] <Xappe> Kanga: yes
[05:31] <sproingie> looks like manually copying the old resolv.conf worked
[05:32] <tosti> ivoks: well... my machine is a bit antique... :D
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[05:32] <ivoks> tosti heh... check where /dev/input/mice points to
[05:32] <ivoks> tosti ls -dl /dev/input/mice
[05:32] <ivoks> tosti and check our xorg.conf in /etc/X11/
[05:32] <tosti> ivoks: ROTFL :D havent thought of it :D
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[05:32] <megamind> hi again ... when i use command "apt-get install bind" i get erro
[05:32] <megamind> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[05:32] <megamind> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[05:33] <ivoks> tosti i'm sure there is no /dev/ttyS1 :)
[05:33] <megamind> please any solution ?
[05:33] <sproingie> megamind: you got aptitude or synaptic running already?
[05:33] <megamind> nops
[05:33] <bet0x> megamind, you have other apt-get running?
[05:33] <megamind> i got crashed while installing bid
[05:33] <sproingie> megamind: you doing this as root (with sudo)?
[05:33] <Kanga> xappe:used norton partition magic in windows and installeded linux went back to windows and i could not boot windows so i must boot from cd and do a reformat and the partition and then install ubuntu
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[05:33] <ivoks> tosti under InputDevise, Device should be /dev/ttyS1, not /dev/input/mice
[05:33] <sproingie> megamind: ah.  you probably need to remove the lock.  just rm /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[05:33] <bet0x> rm /var/lib/dpkg/lock works for me =)
[05:34] <ivoks> tosti and u will have to probe which Driver works for u... I'm sure mouse won't :)
[05:34] <sproingie> imho reboots should probably clear that lock
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[05:34] <bet0x> sproingie, no
[05:34] <Xappe> Kanga, the partitioner in the ubuntu install is one of the best i've ever used
[05:34] <bet0x> sproingie, the other week with same problem here :)
[05:34] <ivoks> MarcN hm... i don't know that :)
[05:34] <tosti> ivox: thx a lot :)
[05:34] <bet0x> sproingie, i kick my cable XD
[05:35] <megamind> oh thanks a lot it worked very fine :(
[05:35] <Kanga> Xappe:ok can i run it from within ubuntu
[05:35] <ivoks> tosti u could allways configure ur mouse over gpm, and for Device put /dev/gpmdata
[05:35] <Xappe> Kanga, why can't you boot win?
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[05:35] <tosti> ivoks: hmm... probably ill do that, as i like working on text-console :)
[05:35] <Kanga> smething was lost in the partition process
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[05:36] <k4rl> anyone know how to get something xbiff'ish for ubuntu?
[05:36] <ivoks> tosti hehe, welcome to the club :)
[05:36] <k4rl> I'm using thunderbird
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[05:36] <Xappe> Kanga: so you're going to reinstall win?
[05:36] <tosti> ivoks: well, try to imagine creating MUD or ROGUE-like game inder X :)
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[05:37] <Kanga> Xappe:yeah i have done but i think ill refomat the whole drive and reistall win & ubuntu
[05:37] <ivoks> :)
[05:38] <MarcN> ivoks: looks like I blow away ubuntu hoary/warty upgrade and try directly to hoary...
[05:38] <Xappe> it would be nice with a MUD file haring program. "you find yourself in a dungeon. in front of you lies a pirated copy of win2k3 server. what do you want to do?"
[05:38] <tosti> ivoks: btw, is there way to force ubuntu not to start X? i forgot what to put into /etc/inittab for that :) [I would prefer to use "init n" variant] 
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[05:39] <Xappe> Kanga, ok. the best way is to install win first and then go for ubuntu
[05:39] <zxc> Epiphany and Firefox keep randomly closing while I'm on Deviantart >_<...any ideas?
[05:39] <Kanga> Xappe what is the command to install aprogramme?
[05:39] <ivoks> tosti chmod -x /etc/init.d/gdm :)
[05:39] <Xappe> Kanga, use synaptic
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[05:39] <sproingie> the license bites!  you get zapped!  the license bites!  you get zapped!  you die...
[05:40] <Xappe> hehe
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[05:40] <queuetue> Heh
[05:40] <Kanga> im very very new to ubuntu is it the best distro to start with?
[05:40] <Xappe> yes
[05:40] <sproingie> Kanga: we like to think so
[05:40] <pixil9> Kanga: yes.
[05:40] <k4rl> anyone know any sort of mail notificatin icon I could setup with thunderbird?
[05:40] <queuetue> Kanga, it's as good as any other, better than most.
[05:40] <Nalioth> ubuntu is pretty friendly
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[05:40] <Kanga> ok any one from south africa here?
[05:40] <k4rl> on windows new mail woul dput a new mail icon in the systray until I checked into thunderbird
[05:40] <Kanga> thanks Xappe
[05:40] <Mipfi> Kanga, yes im a ubuntu user since 2 weeks and i love it...
[05:40] <zxc> anyone know any alternative browsers to Firefox and Epiphany?
[05:40] <sproingie> Kanga: you might get a different answer on other channels of course
[05:41] <DJSelbeck> i have a problem with my volume of soundcard. every time i reboot the most inputs and outputs are muted
[05:41] <tosti> Kanga: probably it is, but sometimes has problem with old mice ;)
[05:41] <Mipfi> zxc, i think firefox is the best browser :)
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[05:41] <zxc> Mipfi, it keeps randomly closing >_< for no reason
[05:41] <ivoks> zxc hm
[05:41] <Nalioth> zxc, why not try galeon? it is a gtk + gecko browser
[05:41] <AgentM> Is it possible to run QT-apps under Ubuntu with a good looking GUI?
[05:41] <Kanga> sure thanks a lot
[05:41] <tosti> zxc: links ;) the best ;) [console browser ;)] 
[05:41] <ivoks> zxc my firefox dosn't crash
[05:41] <Kanga> mipfi u in sa?
[05:41] <sproingie> AgentM: apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[05:41] <sproingie> AgentM: many pretty qt apps
[05:41] <zxc> It doesn't even crash, it just exits
[05:41] <ivoks> zxc i'm sure ur extensions/plugins are the guilty one
[05:42] <DJSelbeck> AgentM, yes i had the same problem yesterday i installed kde enviroment and started it once now i have a good ui
[05:42] <Nalioth> tosti, i  agree, but only on the links that shows pictures (had to compile mine special)
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[05:42] <tosti> Nalioth: links2
[05:42] <tosti> Nalioth: had it working without X :)
[05:42] <zxc> I mentioned it yesterday and somebody said it happens on porn sites or something x_x
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[05:42] <zxc> but this is deviantart
[05:42] <Nalioth> tosti is that what its called?
[05:42] <zxc> ivoks, I don't have any extensions/plugins installed
[05:42] <tosti> Nalioth: yes :)
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[05:42] <zxc> is there anyway to see why it's quitting?
[05:43] <Xappe> AgentM: if you mean under gnome i would suggest the qt-configuration package...wich lets you set the looks of your qt apps
[05:43] <sproingie> zxc: wow, i couldnt live without adblock and tabmix
[05:43] <Nalioth> tosti i just d/l the source and told it to compile with graphics
[05:43] <ivoks> zxc strace firefox
[05:43] <Kanga> thanks all cheers
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[05:43] <ivoks> zxc and go to devianart.com
[05:43] <Nalioth> sproingie, you don't use a 'hosts' file?
[05:43] <AgentM> Shall I now install kde or kubuntu-desktop? I don't want to have the whole kde!
[05:43] <sproingie> Nalioth: way too cumbersome
[05:43] <tosti> Nalioth: hmm... mine was surely called "links 2"
[05:43] <Nalioth> AgentM, install what you like
[05:44] <sproingie> AgentM: kubuntu-desktop *is* kde
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[05:44] <AgentM> sproingie So its not what I want ;)
[05:44] <sproingie> AgentM: if you want to run kde apps, you're kind of stuck grabbing the whole thing anyway
[05:44] <Nalioth> AgentM,  whatever you install, will work with or without kubuntu-desktop
[05:45] <Xappe> why not just grab the qt-libs?
[05:45] <AgentM> I don't use any "real" kde apps, only scribus and skype, which use qt for their gui
[05:45] <sproingie> AgentM: many qt apps will work without kde, but its hard to tell which
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[05:45] <Nalioth> tosti, got my source from twibright labs
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[05:45] <randabis> kubuntu-desktop = win :)
[05:46] <tosti> Nalioth: got mine mailed from a friend ;)
[05:46] <pixil9> kde is so ugly :(
[05:46] <AgentM> sproingie Scribus and Skype already work without qt, but they are looking shitty ;)
[05:46] <sproingie> win with a decent terminal, shell, response time, multiple desktops, sure
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[05:46] <randabis> pixil9: not if you tweak it
[05:46] <Nalioth> tosti, i have never apt'd "links2" so i don't know anything about it
[05:46] <pixil9> I've never even tried it heh
[05:46] <tosti> pixil9: KDE isnt ugly, it is SLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW and uneficient :)
[05:46] <randabis> I could say the same thing about an untweaked gnome or xfce
[05:46] <pixil9> No desire from seein screenshots heh
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[05:46] <pixil9> randabis: lets see your desktop
[05:46] <randabis> tosti: I disagree...the latest kde is quite snappy
[05:46] <sproingie> yeah and emacs rules and vi sucks ... is anyone's mind getting changed here?
[05:47] <AgentM> But is there a solution to install only a theme for qt, without installing kde?
[05:47] <Nalioth> tosti, actually i find kubuntu to be surprisingly responsive on my ibook
[05:47] <pixil9> I've never used *nix as a desktop til ubuntu
[05:47] <pixil9> heh
[05:47] <farruinn> imho ubuntu is as close to a desktop linux you're going to get
[05:47] <resiak> Linspire! \o/
[05:47] <pixil9> Well I ran fluxbox on debian for a week
=== sproingie gotta go.  mv sproingie /job && work
[05:47] <pixil9> it worked ok
[05:48] <tosti> randabis: hmm... maybe... but LATEST KDE wont even start on my pc :P
[05:48] <pixil9> and openbox
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[05:48] <pixil9> They are nice for simplicity.. but the eye candy sux :P
[05:48] <hybrid> randabis: were  nt you try to recrute xubuntu ppl?
[05:48] <randabis> pixil9: http://img217.echo.cx/my.php?image=snapshot93ib.jpg
[05:48] <hybrid> was that you?
[05:48] <randabis> that's an older shot though
[05:49] <randabis> I have a different background, but it is essentially the same
[05:49] <joe|code> Holy cow I love Ubuntu!
[05:49] <pixil9> randabis, Not too bad.. Huge fonts tho
[05:49] <hybrid> lol
[05:49] <Choubaka> :D
[05:49] <Choubaka> Love it how people just declare that.
[05:49] <randabis> hybrid: not really. I just said I'd support xubuntu
[05:49] <hybrid> oo
[05:49] <tosti> Nalioth: http://links.sourceforge.net/
[05:49] <Choubaka> as if they found the one true religion for themselves.
[05:50] <randabis> pixil9: I like my fonts large enough for me to read
[05:50] <hybrid> randabis: do you know anywhere i can volunteer?
[05:50] <pixil9> randabis, ah
[05:50] <joe|code> I was using Gentoo, nice...took a week to install anything though.
[05:50] <randabis> bah gentoo
[05:50] <randabis> ricer's toy
[05:50] <pixil9> compiling the system on install is a bit retarded if you ask me
[05:50] <Choubaka> Gentoo has an impressive set of ebuilds though.
[05:50] <pixil9> I'd rather do a make world myself
[05:50] <joe|code> Ubuntu is super duper speedy on my desktp and notebook.
[05:50] <pixil9> after install
[05:50] <wasabi> www.funroll-loops.com
[05:51] <Choubaka> eek. :|
[05:51] <Anlar> pixil9: well, you could ahve done stage3 with grps in ~30 minutes..
[05:51] <randabis> Choubaka: perhaps, but it is still smaller than ubuntu's repos when you add universe
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[05:51] <Choubaka> randabis: really? :|
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[05:51] <hybrid> wow
[05:51] <randabis> Choubaka: yeah portage has around 9000 ebuilds...there's over 14000 packages for ubuntu
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[05:52] <Choubaka> cool.
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[05:52] <wasabi> I think it's about time to port portage to Debian just to piss of the Ubuntuers
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[05:52] <randabis> wasabi: apt-build
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[05:52] <pixil9> What's wrong with having apt-get and portage? :P
[05:52] <Choubaka> I don't use apt-build myself.
[05:52] <hybrid> randabis: what is apt-build?
[05:52] <pixil9> if they could both work with the same package system
[05:52] <pixil9> heh
[05:52] <tosti> oh, maybe another question: i have MP3 player connected through USB [like flash drive] . how to use such devices under linux?
[05:52] <Choubaka> I just get the source and debuild.
[05:53] <randabis> pixil9: nothing, but you can accomplish the same thing with just apt by itself
[05:53] <wasabi> randabis, I mean, so we can use actual ebuilds.
[05:53] <Anlar> they can. portage is available for all distros.
[05:53] <Choubaka> hybrid: it downloads and compiles debian packages.
[05:53] <wasabi> randabis, so we can claim forever more that we have more software than them.
[05:53] <randabis> wasabi: heh, I guess
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[05:53] <randabis> I feel portage is a bit overrated though
[05:53] <wasabi> Oh I agree.
[05:53] <pixil9> I like the layout of ports.
[05:53] <AgentM> tosti You have to mount it over a scsi interface (/dev/sdaX)
[05:53] <hybrid> Choubaka: ok ty but that takes the fun out of compiling yourself
[05:53] <pixil9> I've never used portage though.. just ports on freebsd
[05:53] <Choubaka> :D
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[05:54] <Xappe> i'm starting to like my gnome: http://www.delta.se/~jon/Screenshot.png
[05:54] <randabis> hybrid: it's a tool that allows you to compile src debs
[05:54] <tosti> thx AgentM
[05:54] <Choubaka> randabis: I think portage is cool because there are often ebuilds for small projects too.
[05:54] <AgentM> tosti If your mp3 playere works like a flash drive, ubuntu should mount it automatically
[05:54] <Choubaka> so it's good for compiling stuff.
[05:54] <AgentM> tosti no problem
[05:54] <tosti> :)
[05:54] <Choubaka> While you'd install real applications using the distro's own package management.
[05:55] <Choubaka> Damn. that could work. :|
[05:55] <tosti> AgentM: XP mounts it automatically, win98 needed some drivers. :) i'll give it a try in the evening :)
[05:55] <Choubaka> I hate having to download source packages and install them on my system without no proper way to keep track of what is installed and where.
[05:55] <Nalioth> Choubaka, use "checkinstall"
[05:55] <AgentM> tosti Ubuntu mount my MP3 player automatically, without problems
[05:56] <Nalioth> Choubaka, instead of "make install"
[05:56] <tosti> hmm.... "windows mounts drive"... since when windows mounts drives? :D
[05:56] <Choubaka> Nalioth: yeah...
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[05:56] <Choubaka> tosti: it can be done. :p
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[05:56] <randabis> tosti: windows "does" mount drives, but it does not refer to them as mounts
[05:56] <Choubaka> Nalioth: But checkinstall won't fetch the sources for me!
[05:56] <tosti> Choubaka: i ment that term :)
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[05:56] <randabis> I guess because some people could think of it as sexual innuendo
[05:57] <Nalioth> Choubaka, but it does make a deb for you
[05:57] <hybrid> lol
[05:57] <pixil9> You can mount a volume with dynamic disk manager to a /whatever point
[05:57] <tosti> ranabis: ROTFL
[05:57] <pixil9> in winxp
[05:57] <Choubaka> it would rock to have apt, and then a sourceforge/berlios/freshmeat portage repo
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[05:57] <joe|code> my snazzy desktop.
[05:57] <floe> hi all
[05:57] <Choubaka> where _every_ project would have an ebuild
[05:57] <randabis> yeah that's true pixil9. :) I don't know of many home users that use dynamic disks though :p
[05:58] <raydogg> Has anyone been able to run X at 1900x1200 ?
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[05:58] <drspin> what up all
[05:58] <pixil9> and forget mounting them
[05:58] <pixil9> in *nix heh
[05:59] <randabis> indeed
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[05:59] <Anlar> raydogg: I think teh ubuntu forums had something about how to get those weird widescreen modes working
[05:59] <randabis> LVM is a better system anyway imho
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[05:59] <pixil9> I think there's experimental support for it
[05:59] <pixil9> Just when we get ntfs working I bet they get rid of it
[05:59] <pixil9> for write support that it
[05:59] <pixil9> is*
[05:59] <randabis> well there's CaptiveNTFS if you REALLY need ntfs write
[06:00] <pixil9> I'd like it
[06:00] <randabis> I don't use windows though so I don't really care either way
[06:00] <pixil9> Does it fuck up?
[06:00] <dr_willis> raydogg,  i found a X mode web site that you could enter the  X x Y #'s and other info and it would make the right modelines.. but i cant remebr the url. i googled for "X mode generator" i think.
[06:00] <drspin> you CAN write to an NTFS file as long as you don't change the filesize :/
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[06:00] <ern1e> i used to use fedora core 3 & my printers margins worked well under their config, any ideas on how i could port that into ubuntu?
[06:00] <Anlar> pixil9: captive uses the Windows libraries responsible for handling the file system.
[06:00] <randabis> pixil9: dunno, never used it and don't plan on it
[06:00] <floe> I would like to use wlan with an "old" powerbook g3 (wallstreet) + kubuntu... any ideas which wlan cards (pcmcia) are working?
[06:00] <Anlar> pixil9: so if the Windows fucks up, so does Captive.. :)
[06:01] <pixil9> I'll pass.
[06:01] <Anlar> yet you run windows :)
[06:01] <randabis> I don't. :)
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[06:01] <pixil9> I haven't been in it for like a week or two
[06:01] <pixil9> but I still need it.
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[06:01] <drspin> pixil9: y?
[06:01] <pixil9> photoshop
[06:01] <randabis> GIMP :P
[06:01] <drspin> pixil9: I use photoshop on linux every day :)
[06:01] <pixil9> gimp doesn't quite cut it :P
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[06:02] <pixil9> O. How can I install it ?
[06:02] <randabis> WINE >> Photoshop :p
[06:02] <pixil9> ah
[06:02] <pont> hey how can i copy a DVD to an iso on my hdd
[06:02] <pixil9> I've never fucked with wine
[06:02] <ivoks> ah...
[06:02] <ivoks> i burned my toungh :)
[06:02] <drspin> pixil9: It's easy -- and it's fully supported under Xover Office
[06:02] <pixil9> maybe i should try :P
[06:02] <drspin> pixil9: there's also a hack for the Gimp to make the menu system like photoshops --
[06:02] <pixil9> what is xover office?
[06:03] <pixil9> I also really like to use AnyDVD and CloneDVD
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[06:03] <pixil9> noobie pirated software :P
[06:03] <drspin> pixil9: Crossover Office- - http://codeweavers.com
[06:03] <pixil9> pirating*
[06:03] <Nalioth> pixil9, CrossOver Office
[06:03] <ivoks> pixil9 then install winxp
[06:03] <tosti> hmm... does anyone know if there is "linux - fallout" game ;)
[06:03] <pixil9> I still have it :P
[06:04] <ivoks> pixil9 then format the linux partition
[06:04] <pont> tosti, nah
[06:04] <pixil9> lol.
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[06:04] <pixil9> I have to pay for Xover
[06:04] <pixil9> I'll pirate it
[06:04] <tosti> buu... sad :(
[06:04] <Nalioth> har har mateys
[06:04] <Anlar> pixil9: your writing and IP has been recorded..
[06:04] <drspin> pixil9:  that's ou're decision... just don't brag because that sucks
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[06:05] <sianis_> hi all
[06:05] <pixil9> Anlar: oh noes!
[06:05] <pixil9> lol.
[06:05] <sianis_> can some1 help me in splashy setup?
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[06:05] <pixil9> the MPAA and FBI is going to hunt me down in canada
[06:05] <pixil9> lol.
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[06:05] <Nalioth> be nice if codeweavers honored the GPL and let loose their stuff
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[06:06] <Anlar> pixil9: copyright laws are viable there too. shall I mail a tip to codeweavers?
[06:06] <holycow> xover is totally worth the money
[06:06] <sianis_> the splashy is good, but when ubuntu is booted it isn't in the ctra+alt+f7
[06:06] <pixil9> Anlar: go ahead.
[06:06] <sianis_> it is in ctral+alt+f1
[06:06] <Anlar> pixil9: brb.
[06:06] <sianis_> where can i setup
[06:06] <pixil9> Anlar, If you actually think that me typing on irc that I'm going to pirate it
[06:06] <pixil9> i *haven't* even pirated it yet
[06:06] <pixil9> and even if i did
[06:06] <pixil9> that is enough for a warrant?
[06:06] <pixil9> LOL
[06:07] <pixil9> fuck off.
[06:07] <Anlar> pixil9: no, but there is enough for suing you.. :)
[06:07] <pixil9> ok
[06:07] <pixil9> sue me
[06:07] <pixil9> I'll just stop paying myself
[06:07] <pixil9> and you get $0
[06:07] <drspin> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DMA <==I'm writing this and need some feedback --
[06:07] <dr_willis> checking it out drspin
[06:08] <KaL> hi, is gnome-spell broken in breezy?
[06:08] <pixil9> Anlar, I'm downloading it now
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[06:08] <holycow> hey guys, lets keep it clean in here
[06:08] <holycow> :)
[06:09] <holycow> thats why we have #debian for
[06:09] <holycow> -_-
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[06:09] <pixil9> Anlar, K i have it.. it works good
[06:09] <pixil9> lol.
[06:09] <spiral> hmmm, is breezy usable ?
[06:09] <Nalioth> Anlar, there is enough to just be using the puter to be sued nowadays
[06:09] <ern1e> sure
[06:09] <hybrid> spiral: for a normal user prolly
[06:09] <Nalioth> they even sue dead peeps and grandmothers w/o puters
[06:10] <spiral> for an old debian sid user ?
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[06:10] <hybrid> spiral: then it would be stable
[06:10] <sianis_> where can i setup the standard screen?
[06:10] <drspin> If you own a system that came with a "Made for Windows XP" you are violating your agreement with the company that you purchased your computer from if you use linux
[06:10] <drspin> <== guilty
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[06:10] <hybrid> i have been using linux for a year and i am onit so....
[06:10] <spiral> hybrid: all right... So I'll use breezy, thanks :-)
[06:10] <sianis_> i want to change it terminal screen to X server
[06:10] <hybrid> np
[06:10] <hybrid> drspin: are you for real?
[06:11] <drspin> hybrid: I read the Dell License Agreement --
[06:11] <dr_willis> drspin,  heh -   "As with most other [CLI] ? applications in linux,   "     why not use the term "As with most other commands"  :P and not toss in another 3 letter anacron.
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[06:11] <Nalioth> spiral do you feel like a white rat?
[06:11] <pixil9> You can't sue people in canada like that states
[06:11] <dr_willis> hybrid,  ive seen some cases/schools that get in troubl for such a thing.
[06:11] <mishof> How can i add prolog syntax support to gedit ??
[06:11] <pixil9> we don't put up with bullshit like spilled coffee on laps
[06:11] <neighborlee> my gimp picture isn't printing...I have default printer setup in my system printers setup and just printed a basic print test which works fine..yet gimp print ,- even though I have the right printer clearly showing up in the dialog box under 'printer name' refruses to print my graphic...what package might I be missing to not allow this to work ? ;-)
[06:12] <drspin> dr_willis: because CLI is a REALLY commonly use acronym -- why shelter from the common... that's why there's a link to create a new page from that...
[06:12] <spiral> Nalioth: lol
[06:12] <Anlar> :)
[06:12] <hybrid> dr_willis: that is stupid
[06:12] <pixil9> Anlar, CRAP THE COPS ARE HERE!!!!
[06:12] <dr_willis> drspin,  actually its just phrased oddly. :P   lets see reading along.. :P      $ cat /proc/ide/hda/settings     --> ya need to be root to do this  it seems.
[06:12] <pixil9> Anlar, PLEASE TELL THEM I'M INNOCENT!!!
[06:13] <dr_willis> hybrid,  so what.. what else do you expect from MS.
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[06:13] <drspin> dr_willis: correct you do - thanks :)
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[06:13] <mishof> you guys ? how can i add syntax support to gedit (prolog) ??
[06:14] <neighborlee> there is NO entity that can tell me what OS I have on my purchased hardware ...Idont care if its  dell or the stupid prsident of the U.S. ( whom i dont respect anyway LOL) I'll run exactly what I wish on my computer
[06:14] <Nalioth> pixil9, hopefully it is the COPS and not vengeful MPAA, RIAA and the software antipiracy league vigilantes with a Texas Necktie for ya
[06:14] <neighborlee> hah
[06:14] <spiral> hmmm... is alsa 1.0.9rc2 in breezy ?
[06:14] <sigpc> mishof: have you tried "mc" (mcedit) by far my favorite editor++
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[06:14] <pixil9> Is anyone here using cedega?
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[06:15] <neighborlee> dont use emulation
[06:15] <drspin> pixil9: I use cvscedgea
[06:15] <ern1e> anyone try the *horrible* linux-config proggy that samsung has for printers?
[06:15] <hybrid> spiral: when was it released?
[06:15] <pixil9> drspin: does it work good?
[06:15] <drspin> neighborlee: I play all my SNES and NES roms on linux -- why no emulation?
[06:15] <drspin> pixil9: for DirectX apps it works quite well -- most will run out of the box --
[06:15] <pixil9> drspin: cool.
[06:15] <neighborlee> that kind of emulation isfine..i'm referring to the 'other' kind <G>
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[06:16] <spiral> hybrid: it's a release candidate... But I think it's out since a moment
[06:16] <Anlar> even the vanilla Wine runs a lot of the games in my experience.. but yeah, Cedega is awesome.
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[06:16] <E0x> hello
[06:16] <hybrid> spiral: then it is prolly in it. idk i use esd
[06:16] <drspin> neighborlee: until the void for Photoshop, Flash, and Dreamweaver is filled on linux, I will continue to use Wine
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[06:16] <E0x> where i can save my iptable rule for i reboot the box , the rule apply again ( a nat rule )
[06:16] <neighborlee> drspin, besides..i've never seen cedega work for ANY of games I really like anyway so its a waste of time and IMO..a waste of time to make linux more popular to vendors..I feel its very dangerous and shouldn't be used much if at all
[06:17] <mishof> sigpc, nope but i kinda like gedit :\ cant i add highlights ?
[06:17] <neighborlee> drspin, I mean ...there are tons of high quality  linux-made games out now..we really dont need cedega anymore ;-)
[06:17] <sigpc> mishof: not sure, I use mcedit for everything
[06:17] <sigpc> heh
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[06:17] <Anlar> all my favorite muds are playable, that's enough. ;)
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[06:17] <Curium> How can I start the live cd without gnome booting?
[06:17] <drspin> neighborlee: LOL -- I'm not much of a gamer -- quake3 arena, Return to Castle Wolfenstein, Doom 3, and some Worms: Armageddon and I'm happy --
[06:17] <drspin> unfortunately I ave to use cedega for worms :(
[06:18] <neighborlee> drspin, I realize there may be examples where you need a given game to run...but hey lets not fool ourselves into believeing we need it so badly ;-)..if we play  linux games..we will get more not less from vendors ;-))
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[06:18] <holycow> drspin, please allow me to insist that not only has the ps void been filled, ps has been totally replaced by gimp
[06:18] <spiral> hybrid: doesn't esd use alsa ?
[06:18] <Amaranth> holycow: Not a chance.
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[06:18] <hybrid> Curium: you could go ahead start gnome then open a console and type sudo shutdown now and it will exit out of gnome
[06:18] <neighborlee> holycow, yeah baby
[06:18] <holycow> i am a graphic designer, amongst other things, and let me assure you gimp2.x is far and above ps
[06:18] <mishof> sigpc, im downloading. is it for gnome ?
[06:18] <Amaranth> holycow: You aren't a print designer.
[06:18] <Anlar> holycow: it doesn't support larger images, has bad limits there. also the color space support is lacking. and no dynamic layers.
[06:18] <Curium> But I don't even want it to start
[06:18] <neighborlee> holycow, I use it ...althouigh atm it wont PRINT my pictures ..really agrivating as printing gimp stuff in mdk is working flawlessly ;(
[06:19] <sigpc> mishof: it is just nice
[06:19] <hybrid> spiral: i dont think so b/c i am on ppc and mplayer sound would not work with alsa so i unistalled it
[06:19] <Anlar> holycow: so yea, it's ok if you like doing 5x the amount of work for an image..
[06:19] <Myrtti> Amaranth: did you get the link I /msg'd you?
[06:19] <holycow> Anlar, well i'm not sure what you mean by larger images, running 2gig plus files is trivial
[06:19] <drspin> holycow: yes but I'm highly skilled at Photoshop -- The Gimp's interface sucks and is confusing and Ubuntu doesn't have the photoshop-gimp-interface package (not sure if that's what it's called)
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[06:19] <Amaranth> Myrtti: Oh, I thought that was a spam bot. :) Can you send it again?
[06:19] <hybrid> holycow: try gimpshop
[06:19] <neighborlee> drspin, kewl...yeah those all work great in linux..its really nice that we can play most of the popular well done games in our fav. OS ;-))
[06:19] <holycow> drspin, i completely disagree, i would put my skills up against anyone in ps, i consider gimp interface superior
[06:19] <hybrid> holycow: http://plasticbugs.com
[06:19] <drspin> neighborlee: yup :)
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[06:20] <spiral> hybrid: all right
[06:20] <neighborlee> drspin, i'm sure I heard there is a new gimp UI coming soon..maybe you can get the cvs that ubuntu doesn't have..
[06:20] <spiral> anyone else under breezy here ?
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[06:20] <hybrid> i do
[06:20] <hybrid> lol
[06:20] <Nalioth> hybrid have you suffered any ill effects from removing alsa from your ppc?
[06:20] <devnull> hello
[06:20] <holycow> i humbly submit that ps users require 2 days of deprogramming, ps infact is very inefficient compared to gimp once y ou sit down for 2 days or so and so some serious work in it
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[06:21] <devnull> how would i go about setting up xfce or fluxbox as my default window manager instead of gnome ?
[06:21] <Psoulocybe> holycow, you're crazy
[06:21] <hybrid> neighborlee: gimpshop looks like photoshop but is gimp
[06:21] <Curium> Is there a boot parameter on the live cd to not start gnome?
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[06:21] <drspin> holycow: maybe it is -- but I've been using Photohop since version 2 on the mac -- in my case the Gimps interface sucks and is confusing --
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[06:21] <hybrid> Malioth: no none now mplayer works awesome
[06:21] <Psoulocybe> it's on the login devnull
[06:21] <dataw0lf|w> holycow: you're wrong.
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[06:21] <neighborlee> hybrid, kewl yeah that sounds like thats the one
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[06:21] <Psoulocybe> you can select which session you want to log in w/
[06:21] <holycow> drspin, right exactly, ps users have only used ps, thats all they know
[06:21] <drspin> hybrid: yes -- it's just a hack for the Gimp
[06:21] <devnull> Psoulocybe, so now that i have xfce installed next time i log in i can pick xfce ?
[06:21] <hybrid> yea
[06:21] <k4rl> and that makes it wrong?
[06:21] <Psoulocybe> yep
[06:21] <hybrid> i cant get it to compile tho
[06:21] <k4rl> it's quite likely that PS does not have an optimal interface
[06:21] <nubbe> any news on FF 1.03 for ubuntu?
[06:22] <drspin> holycow: so what's wrong with knowing how to use an industry standard application inside and out??
[06:22] <devnull> by the way .... i am very impressed with ubuntu ... i have never used a distro that worked so smoothly and integrated so well
[06:22] <Amaranth> holycow: Call me when The GIMP has even close to the color support Photoshop has.
[06:22] <k4rl> but there's a lot to be said for not doign tings differently, just because it "might" be better
[06:22] <Anlar> holycow: with the dynamic layers it might be usable.. but for the moment you have to do ridiculous amounts of work when working with multiple layers and effects. so it's not usable for real image creation.
[06:22] <holycow> dataw0lf, not at all, i am not faster and far more productive in gimp than i ever would be to do in most stuff in ps
[06:22] <Anlar> holycow: read the bugzilla about it
[06:22] <Curium> Is there a boot parameter on the live cd to not start gnome?
[06:22] <Psoulocybe> or the filters for photoshop
[06:22] <cusco> hi
[06:22] <dataw0lf|w> holycow: I'm not a graphics guy, but even I recognize that Gimp has a ways to go before it catches up with Photoshop.
[06:22] <drspin> Anlar: not to mention the lack of automation for large batch projects (this may be better now)
[06:22] <Psoulocybe> long way to go before it's anywhere near PS
[06:23] <holycow> dataw0lf, then you don't know what you are talking about so just say so
[06:23] <cusco> I made a fresh install on my laptop.. when doing a apt-get update I get this...:
[06:23] <cusco> W: GPG error: http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-security Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com>
[06:23] <dr_willis> I cant afford Photoshop. :P so i guess i will stick with gimp
[06:23] <cusco> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[06:23] <Psoulocybe> well, that can be done in gimp drspin, but it's a bit more work
[06:23] <holycow> Anlar, i respect that you are correct for you, i'm not even saying you are wrong
[06:23] <dataw0lf|w> holycow: I apparently know more than you do.
[06:23] <drspin> dr_willis: find a kid that's in college - it's only $100 for the whole Adobe Creative Suite
[06:23] <dataw0lf|w> holycow: which is sad, because all I can do in either app is gradients.
[06:23] <drspin> dr_willis: that's how I got mine
[06:23] <holycow> Anlar, i would humbly ask that you inch in your mind the vague possibility that it is possible to actually be faster than ps
[06:24] <holycow> Anlar, i swear to god, i was as surprised as you, took me 2 days to deprogram tho
[06:24] <dr_willis> drspin,  bah. :P all i need to do - i can do with gimp.
[06:24] <Anlar> holycow: it's not FAR from a usable application.. I'm not saying it's all bad. it's good for a bit retouching etc.. but for real creative work and especialyl professional needs it can not simply be used. no (real) cmyk support for printing machines for instance
[06:24] <Psoulocybe> Anlar, that is a serious problem too
[06:24] <Anlar> holycow: getting the color profiles working is pain in the ass as well
[06:24] <holycow> dataw0lf, eh, i understand that you are offended by my statement and thats fine, i assure you that you have no clue, i have done graphic design for long enough to not care about your thoughts :)
[06:25] <dr_willis> of coruse isent gipms CYMK support lacking due mainly to Licenseing issues?
[06:25] <drspin> dr_willis: I will be able to once I get gimpshop installed
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[06:25] <dataw0lf|w> holycow: I'm the system administrator at a aerial photogrammetry, etc center, we work with 1-2 gig images daily, Gimp cannot touch Photoshop in commercial work, I'm sorry.
[06:25] <pixil9> Anlar, Don't you have 0 pirating laws in finland?
[06:25] <Anlar> pixil9: we are in the EU, bound by the directives.. so take a wild guess.
[06:25] <holycow> Anlar, oh for sure, some things are better in ps, and i understand how people come to misunderstand gimp, it is bloody amazing ... unfortunately i wish i could give you more than 'just trust me'
[06:25] <dataw0lf|w> holycow: trust me, we tried.
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[06:25] <holycow> Anlar, it took me 2 days to deprogram
[06:25] <dataw0lf|w> holycow: Gimp just isn't up to snuff yet.
[06:25] <pixil9> Anlar, I have no idea how your "EU" works so don't be an asswipe
[06:26] <holycow> dataw0lf, sorry, i just finished two projects each files was about 2 gigs of ram once loaded up
[06:26] <holycow> you have no clue what your talking about
[06:26] <dataw0lf|w> 2 gigs of ram?
[06:26] <Anlar> pixil9: hint: EU isn't a state in the US. ;)
[06:26] <holycow> dataw0lf, get a better computer :)
[06:26] <dataw0lf|w> what are you talking about?
[06:26] <pixil9> lol still being an asswipe
[06:26] <dataw0lf|w> 2 gigs of ram?  are you an idiot?
[06:26] <drspin> dataw0lf|w: I will disagree -- Gimp contains almost every feature that Photoshop has -- I just far and away prefer the Photoshop interface
[06:26] <pixil9> I know what the european union is.. but are there laws that apply to all the countries?
[06:27] <KBJ> does anybody know how stable breezy is?
[06:27] <dataw0lf|w> drspin: I tried to get my graphics guys to use Gimp, and we had some serious problems with the Gimp printing to our plotter, as well.
[06:27] <sigpc> KBJ: not stable
[06:27] <holycow> drspin, thank you, exactly, thats all i'm saying, most ps users 'prefer the gui', gimp can completely do most jobs that ps can
[06:27] <KBJ> pixil9: yes, the eu makes laws that all the eu countries follow
[06:27] <sigpc> of course
[06:27] <zerokarmaleft> KBJ...not stable
[06:27] <Anlar> holycow: you might need 20+ layers to create a certain effect or an image part.. but if something on the lowest frames changes you got to re-apply and create many layers again.. it's cumbersome and takes horrible amounts of work and doesn't support creativity. in PS the dynamic layers are magnificent.
[06:27] <dataw0lf|w> holycow: I'm talking about images 1 gig - 2 gigs in size.
[06:27] <drspin> KBJ: Breezy may be stable today and completely broken tomorrow -
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[06:27] <Anlar> holycow: sure, some parts can be automated.. but many not.
[06:27] <holycow> thats not to say ps is bad, its to say people just preffer it, it takes a while to actally get profficient in gimp
[06:27] <dataw0lf|w> holycow: and, I assure you, our graphic editors don't need better machines.
[06:27] <holycow> dataw0lf, no problem
[06:27] <KBJ> i ran hoary before it got "stable", and i want some of the apps on breezy
[06:27] <eszanthrick> uh, can you take the gimp vs ps rant somewhere else?
[06:27] <holycow> dataw0lf, lol right *nod*
[06:28] <pixil9> KBJ, thx
[06:28] <holycow> Anlar, what i found when you change the ui, the workflow changes
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[06:28] <Anlar> pixil9: a lot of the laws apply all the countries. most of us have had quite much of computer related laws anyways.
[06:28] <drspin> holycow: but photoshop's layer & selection handling is much better as well -- these are the two main reason that I won't use Gimp
[06:29] <pixil9> and crossover office doesn't even have an option for office 2k3 or photoshop cs
[06:29] <pixil9> wtf is that
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[06:29] <drspin> pixil9: they work
[06:29] <holycow> Anlar, one surprising finding was that I can work faster in gimp with the new gui as a result of the new workflow, i've completely switched to gimp ... i am also aware that there will come a job for which i need pshop, and thats fine too
[06:29] <drspin> pixil9: both of em
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[06:29] <pixil9> drspin: I had a failure on install
[06:29] <holycow> drspin, i completely disagree
[06:29] <Anlar> holycow: yes, but if you create this the most magnificent lookin BALL ever.. and after hours of work a client says he wants a CUBE? what do you do in most of the cases? you start from all over again building the layers. in PS yuo just change the seeding layer a bit and it takes ~5 seconds.
[06:29] <pixil9> drspin: I selected office xp
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[06:29] <Anlar> holycow: if you get the idea.
[06:29] <holycow> drspin, i will chalk that up to personal preference, i can work faster in gimps way of layers and selection methods than ps
[06:29] <hybrid> ok plz take ps gimp discussion to #images-manipulation
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[06:29] <KBJ> pixil9: np... some of the laws are actually good, but a good example of a weird one is the one they made for cucumbers a while ago. apparently it's illegal in the eu to produce or sell or something, a cucumber that's too bent.. if it's not straight to a certain degree you can't sell it or something...
[06:29] <bozo12> Hi i can't start samba. It gives "invoke-rc.d: initscript samba, action "start" failed."
[06:30] <Keizer> Damn
[06:30] <holycow> Anlar, same in gimp ... i don't see your point ... i would very much put gimp on par with ps
[06:30] <Keizer> Mozilla is getting buggier
[06:30] <pixil9> lol.
[06:30] <holycow> Anlar, i will also say that pshop has some feature gimp doesn't
[06:30] <Keizer> Something in X server is getting buggier
[06:30] <sigpc> Keizer: how so?
[06:30] <hybrid> Keizer: no the malware is gettin better
[06:30] <holycow> Anlar, but i will also say that gimp has features and workflows ps doesn't
[06:30] <Keizer> Save As crashed my browser
[06:30] <Anlar> holycow: I'd like the Pantone color selectors on Gimp. or something similar. to find out nice color sets. not all needs that but it's good for us dummies. :)
[06:30] <Keizer> Openning a song closes my media player
[06:30] <sigpc> Keizer: thats not an x error
[06:30] <holycow> gimp is a completely underrated application, i really wish people would give it a serious try ... it's just hard to 'unlearn'
[06:30] <drspin> pixil9: you'll have to run the setup by yourself first -- I reccomend installing IE first -- it will install a large part of the native OS dll's
[06:31] <pixil9> ah fuck that.. I'll just use my other machine for office
[06:31] <holycow> Anlar, oh yes, of course, there are things ps has that aren't in gimp *nod* yeah that would be good
[06:31] <Anlar> pixil9: openoffice 2.0beta is actually quite nice.
[06:31] <bozo12> I've purged and reinstalled but could't get it to work it gives again same error. This is a fresh installation of hoary
[06:31] <pixil9> When is 2.0 expected to be complete?
[06:31] <Anlar> holycow: at least we got now SVG import plugin for Gimp.. :] 
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[06:32] <holycow> dataw0lf, i'm sorry to get personal btw ...
[06:32] <Anlar> pixil9: in ~2 months if I recall correctly. the beta is quite bugfree actually too
[06:32] <dataw0lf|w> personal?
[06:32] <holycow> dataw0lf, your rather... negative response seemed unfounded and personal
[06:32] <Anlar> the beta is surprisingly bugfree.
[06:32] <bozo12> invoke-rc.d: initscript samba, action "start" failed.
[06:32] <KBJ> i currently use shfs to mount a folder via an ssh connection to my computer, which has some flaws... it doesn't get quite stable... shfs uses lufs to mount it... apparently there's a thing in breesy called sshfs that uses fuse instead and it looks as if it's more stable... anybody know about it? is it possible to get for hoary without compiling it?
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[06:32] <pixil9> I will try that not
[06:32] <pixil9> now
[06:33] <dataw0lf|w> unfounded? I work at a company that uses photoshop, softplotter, terramodel, etc, everyday, *I* could careless whether they use Photoshop or Gimp, but from my own experience trying to convert them to Gimp, it just isn't there yet.
[06:33] <dataw0lf|w> Especially for what we work with.
[06:33] <holycow> Anlar, oo2.9 is going to rock :)
[06:33] <hybrid> 2.9?
[06:33] <Anlar> holycow: it alraedy does. it's actually in many spots better than the office 2003 enterprise. :)
[06:33] <hybrid> isnt it at only 2 rite now
[06:33] <ivoks> dataw0lf i agree, but...
[06:33] <holycow> dataw0lf, *nod* your usecase doesn't sound like a printe/other graphic design use case tho ... maybe there are tools its missing for you?
[06:33] <dataw0lf|w> hybrid: 1.9 beta
[06:34] <dataw0lf|w> holycow: quite a few.
[06:34] <dataw0lf|w> aero-graphics.com
[06:34] <hybrid> so whats up with the 2.9
[06:34] <ivoks> dataw0lf the fact someone is trying to compare photoshop and gimp tells more than enough
[06:34] <goldfish> hey guys, i have just inserted an ethernet card into this pc i have here. How do i emm set it up in hoary? :/
[06:34] <holycow> dataw0lf, if i had the time i would personally offer tutorials to any graphic designer taht wanted to try gimp tho
[06:34] <ivoks> holycow that egzist
[06:34] <pixil9> good shaw cable.. 600 kB/s
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[06:34] <pixil9> almost have #2
[06:35] <holycow> dataw0lf, i am strongly convinced i could taky 90% of all graphic designer and convert them to gimp in a 2 day, 2 step process
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[06:35] <ivoks> holycow http://www.gimp.org/tutorials/
[06:35] <ivoks> and my favourite
[06:35] <ivoks> holycow http://gimpguru.org/Tutorials/
[06:35] <holycow> dataw0lf, i would separate the tutorial into ps deprogramming, and gimp workflow
[06:35] <holycow> ivoks, i'm fairly profficient in gimp these days :) danke
[06:35] <bozo12> goldfish, System>Administration>Network
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[06:35] <drspin> holycow: I promise that you will not --
[06:35] <dataw0lf|w> holycow: I'm sure you could for an artistic graphic designer.  But not commercial / industrial work.
[06:35] <drspin> holycow: you would have to convert an industry and it won't happen
[06:36] <goldfish> bozo12: No X i'm afraid :/
[06:36] <holycow> drspin, guaranteed, gimp can do almost anything ps can, and a few things it cant
[06:36] <dataw0lf|w> there's a difference between doing web graphics and working with aerial photography.
[06:36] <bozo12> goldfish, ifconfig eth0 ip_adress up
[06:36] <goldfish> kk
[06:36] <goldfish> Thanks.
[06:36] <ivoks> holycow ok :)
[06:36] <drspin> holycow: but it lacks in CRITICAL areas for graphic designers (CMYK, layer & selection handling...
[06:36] <drspin> )
[06:36] <Anlar> datawolf: you shoot the nude beaches too?
[06:36] <holycow> drspin, no, layer and selection is superior in gimp
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[06:36] <dataw0lf|w> Anlar: why else would I work here?
[06:36] <holycow> by far
[06:36] <holycow> :)
[06:36] <Anlar> :)
[06:37] <holycow> cmyk, not sure there yet
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[06:37] <drspin> holycow: then I stronlgy suggest you use photoshop for 10 years and then try and use the Gimp
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[06:37] <holycow> drspin, i didn't say the industry wanted to be converted, i said that if i had the chance (read someone would actually be interested and wanted to invest the time, thats a different issue)
[06:37] <holycow> i could do it no problem 9 times out of 10
[06:37] <holycow> takes 2 days, 1 days deprogramming, 1 day workflow
[06:37] <holycow> all the features are there
[06:38] <drspin> holycow:  this is offtopic --
[06:38] <ivoks> isn;t
[06:38] <ivoks> :)
[06:38] <holycow> drspin, i didn't use ps from v2 but but v4, close enough
[06:38] <holycow> :)
[06:38] <KBJ> or if you're considering to buy photoshop licenses, you might consider spending that money on getting the features you're missing developed in gimp... then it'd be available for everyone and you'd be able to use it on a million computers if you want... :)
[06:38] <holycow> drspin, i would put my skills against yours any day :)
[06:38] <drspin> holycow: and you're not going to win because you are lacking in real-world experience with photoshop -- so let's drop it
[06:39] <dataw0lf|w> he's using standard troll strategy.
[06:39] <holycow> lol, so says someone on irc :-)
[06:39] <i3dmaster> Question, where does date command retrieve the time info from?
[06:39] <drspin> holycow: skills?? how well you know an interface -- how would you rate that??
[06:39] <Anlar> ok.. stfu.. or show samples what you can do with ps/gimp. :)
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[06:39] <holycow> dataw0lf, saying something unpopular is never an easy thing, at first they fight you ... etc, etc,
[06:39] <drspin> holycow: besides the final project would have to be in CMYK for printing... you lose
[06:39] <ivoks> Anlar yeah... in 1280x800 size
[06:39] <ivoks> Anlar so we can (ab)use them as wallpapers :)
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[06:40] <Anlar> why not. :] 
[06:40] <holycow> drspin, heh, i've used ps proffessionally since v4, you since v2, i would say it's equal :)
[06:40] <holycow> drspin, if you want to get personal fine, but at the end of the day all you can really can do is get personal so go for it, i'm fine standing my ground
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[06:40] <drspin> holycow: nobody cares -- I quit caring once I said my peace -- let's change the subject
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[06:41] <holycow> let's not
[06:41] <drspin> holycow: then join #GIMPvsPS -- and continue
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[06:41] <ivoks> omg
[06:41] <Anlar> seriously, it'd be nice if you showed some images. :) we are bored. .)
[06:42] <ivoks> yeah
[06:42] <dataw0lf|w> look at the ip he's coming from.
[06:42] <dataw0lf|w> wjsgroup.com
[06:42] <dataw0lf|w> visit the website.
[06:42] <dataw0lf|w> all the graphics are GIFs.
[06:42] <dataw0lf|w> That your work holycow?
[06:42] <holycow> Anlar, :) lol
[06:42] <holycow> dataw0lf, yep, i run i.t. last coupla years *nod*
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[06:42] <drspin> HaHa -- why GIF's??
[06:42] <nubbe> anyone got a website or two  for good quality wallpapers? 1024x at least...
[06:42] <dataw0lf|w> you shouldn't talk smack if your website is covered in gifs
[06:42] <drspin> those are bandwidth hogs
[06:43] <dataw0lf|w> not to mention proprietary and crap.
[06:43] <drspin> LOL
[06:43] <Myrtti> nubbe: http://hebus.com 's one of my favourites
[06:43] <drspin> holycow: you just lost this
[06:43] <holycow> drspin, *shrug* i didn't design it :)
[06:43] <holycow> drspin, naw, your just being childish
[06:43] <nubbe> Myrtti, I'll check it out, thanks
[06:43] <dataw0lf|w> #ubuntu 1, holycow 0 !!
[06:43] <drspin> LOL
[06:43] <KBJ> so what do you suggest? png?
[06:43] <ivoks> :)
[06:43] <holycow> drspin, i know its hard not to get personal :)
[06:43] <dataw0lf|w> That's correct, png.
[06:43] <KBJ> ok, thx. :)
[06:44] <holycow> actually the whole site needs to be redone
[06:44] <KBJ> i usually use png, but i wanted to know... :)
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[06:44] <holycow> its all tables withing tables too
[06:44] <KBJ> uhh, i hate tables
[06:44] <Myrtti> table layout is so pass
[06:44] <KBJ> i hate frames even more
[06:44] <Myrtti> and frames
[06:44] <holycow> KBJ, *nod* yep, css isn't so universal either but it would help
[06:44] <dataw0lf|w> dataw0lf.org
[06:44] <holycow> the whole thing needs to be moved to a cms anyway
[06:44] <dataw0lf|w> as you can see, I don't do graphics.
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[06:44] <dataw0lf|w> but at least I don't use gifs, for chrissakes.
[06:44] <KBJ> my ex-girlfriend took an it class at school where they encouraged frames... i was outraged...
[06:45] <drspin> LOL -- CSS / XML owns you all ;)
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[06:45] <dataw0lf|w> drspin: true that.
[06:45] <KBJ> XSL/XML/CSS is nice... throw it together with some PHP and you got the deal... :)
[06:45] <Anlar> but hey, I've started image editing with my OWN MADE program on my Salora Fellow (Z-80 based thingy) in the early 90s! 16 colors and 320x200! whee
[06:45] <holycow> dataw0lf,
[06:46] <drspin> KBJ: I'll give you that ;) I do use php :)
[06:46] <dataw0lf|w> you're the best
[06:46] <holycow> dataw0lf|w #ubuntu 1, holycow 0 !!  <-- that's okay, i'm not 12 and neither is most of the channel
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[06:46] <thelark-> lol hy
[06:46] <KBJ> drspin: php5 has some nice stuff for working with XML/XSL
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[06:46] <jewsus> HELLO THELARK-
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[06:46] <jewsus> KIRK HERE
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[06:46] <dataw0lf|w> holycow: You might not be twelve, but you're still a loser.
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[06:46] <Anlar> uhh lol
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[06:46] <drspin> ...
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[06:46] <thenuke> matix has got us :(
[06:46] <kryptops> ruined.
[06:46] <jewsus>        |':::' '::'  /       |
[06:46] <drspin> LOL
[06:46] <ivoks> kids
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[06:47] <Anlar> hey that's my parakeet!
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[06:47] <ivoks> omg
[06:47] <drspin> fuck your parakeet and kick him already
[06:47] <Anlar> jewsus: I got 2 paarkeets just like that here
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[06:47] <queuetue> How beautiful!
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[06:47] <jewsus>     ~ /; ;/=""      |`| |`|   ==="`
[06:47] <drspin> LOL --- oops language
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[06:47] <jewsus>      ~` ~      /,\ / /= )")
[06:47] <drspin> sorry :/
[06:47] <jewsus>     ~ ~~         _')")
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[06:47] <jewsus>     ~  =~"|;  ;|       Penisbird
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[06:47] <Anlar> lol
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[06:47] <mipfi_> lol
[06:47] <dr_willis> wow. this is what #ubuntu gets to  be like when it gets popular.
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[06:47] <ivoks> lol
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[06:47] <mipfi_> are you drunken guys ?
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[06:48] <drspin> language x 2 --
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[06:48] <drspin> sorry
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[06:48] <thenuke> I just wonder why we dont have any bots in here
[06:48] <jewsus>        \   '::' _.-`;       ;
[06:48] <randabis> umm...
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[06:48] <hybrid> what the fuck are yall doing
[06:48] <dr_willis> time to start useing /ignore
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[06:48] <dataw0lf|w> time to throw down the ole /ignore
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[06:48] <dr_willis> :)
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[06:48] <Anlar> I find this slightly amusing. :)
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[06:48] <KBJ> where are the admins on this?
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[06:48] <holycow> dataw0lf, that's okay, at least i got a word in for gimp :-) well worth dealing with children
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[06:49] <drspin> heh :)
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[06:49] <randabis> idiots
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[06:49] <farruinn> what in the world is going on in here
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[06:49] <sirsodomy>        /`-..--;` ;  |       |
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[06:49] <dikky> LOL HY LOL HY LOL HY LOL HY LOL HY LOL HY LOL HY LOL HY LOL HY
[06:49] <sirsodomy>       ;  ;  ;  ;  ; |       |
[06:49] <randabis> good thing for /ignore
[06:49] <thelark-> ................................................................................
[06:49] <dikky> LOL HY LOL HY LOL HY LOL HY LOL HY LOL HY LOL HY LOL HY LOL HY
[06:49] <Anlar> for how long they can go on.. :)
[06:49] <hybrid> flooding
[06:49] <sirsodomy>       ; ;  ;  ; ;  ;        /        ,--.........,
[06:49] <sirsodomy>       |; ;  ;  ;  ;/       ;       .'           -='.
[06:49] <dikky> LOL HY LOL HY LOL HY LOL HY LOL HY LOL HY LOL HY LOL HY LOL HY
[06:49] <thelark-> ................................................................................
[06:49] <sirsodomy>       | ;  ;  ; ; /       /       .\               '
[06:49] <dikky> LOL HY LOL HY LOL HY LOL HY LOL HY LOL HY LOL HY LOL HY LOL HY
[06:49] <sirsodomy>       |  ;   ;  /`      .\   _,=="  \             .'
[06:49] <thelark-> ................................................................................
[06:49] <sirsodomy>       \;  ; ; .'. _  ,_'\.\~"   //`. \          .'
[06:49] <dikky> LOL HY LOL HY LOL HY LOL HY LOL HY LOL HY LOL HY LOL HY LOL HY
[06:49] <thelark-> ................................................................................
[06:49] <farruinn> don't we have any ops?
[06:49] <sirsodomy>       |  ;  .___~' \ \- | |    /,\ `  \      ..'
[06:49] <dikky> LOL HY LOL HY LOL HY LOL HY LOL HY LOL HY LOL HY LOL HY LOL HY
[06:49] <hybrid> idk i came back nd boom
[06:49] <dikky> LOL HY LOL HY LOL HY LOL HY LOL HY LOL HY LOL HY LOL HY LOL HY
[06:49] <sirsodomy>     ~ ; ; ;/  =="'' |`| | |       =="''\.==''
[06:49] <dikky> LOL HY LOL HY LOL HY LOL HY LOL HY LOL HY LOL HY LOL HY LOL HY
[06:49] <sirsodomy>     ~ /; ;/=""      |`| |`|   ==="`
[06:49] <sh1ft> hmm need some ops in this chan :)
[06:49] <dikky> LOL HY LOL HY LOL HY LOL HY LOL HY LOL HY LOL HY LOL HY LOL HY
[06:49] <sirsodomy>     ~..==`     \\   |`| / /=="`
[06:49] <bur[n] er> kickban please!!!
[06:49] <sirsodomy>      ~` ~      /,\ / /= )")
[06:49] <dikky> LOL HY LOL HY LOL HY LOL HY LOL HY LOL HY LOL HY LOL HY LOL HY
[06:49] <Myrtti> fabbione: HELP
[06:49] <sirsodomy>     ~ ~~         _')")
[06:49] <dikky> LOL HY LOL HY LOL HY LOL HY LOL HY LOL HY LOL HY LOL HY LOL HY
[06:49] <drspin> at least a bot
[06:49] <sirsodomy>     ~ ~   _,=~";`
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[06:49] <dikky> LOL HY LOL HY LOL HY LOL HY LOL HY LOL HY LOL HY LOL HY LOL HY
[06:49] <sirsodomy>     ~  =~"|;  ;|       Penisbird
[06:49] <drspin> LOL
[06:49] <dikky> LOL HY LOL HY LOL HY LOL HY LOL HY LOL HY LOL HY LOL HY LOL HY
[06:49] <sirsodomy>      ~  ~ | ;  |       =========
[06:50] <sirsodomy>   ~ ~     |;|\ |
[06:50] <dikky> 1Vchu;zqq	.h(vy9-#27S@am=
[06:50] <sirsodomy>           |/  \|
[06:50] <dikky> 2>6eE6?0Ld\BMmkC|Ita}D}GkG0Ug\Joh;
[06:50] <randabis> farruinn: there seems to have been an escape from the nearest mental institution
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[06:50] <dikky> t-GCzZ!	
=== bur[n] er feels power of /ignore
[06:50] <dr_willis> drspin,  did ya get gimpshop working?
[06:50] <dikky> 3k=t9H;V'C
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[06:50] <dikky> dXM<0{#=[~^ix%dN-Ne<ynJLsq*$sbMZ6lUzLr}L9U	i/fqz
[06:50] <hybrid> drspin: we wanted a bot but it was opposed and no1 took up
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[06:50] <dikky> v5lOX`7ypT(kryX15@^qi&8	BMKT^zfk2] c^N~R%i#,bZj#c\V@Lm	})h
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[06:50] <KBJ> randabis: where's the nearest? lol
[06:50] <Nalioth> jeezly crow
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[06:50] <dikky> @?] 'zlXFFa!iu=/
[06:50] <smartfag> ..|.....o.........|............|..O.....|..
[06:50] <thenuke> dikky: are you sure you want to get banned too?
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[06:50] <smartfag> ..O.........(.THE.GAYTRIX.)................
[06:50] <dikky> Ud:_
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[06:50] <dikky> "Z#.
[06:50] <drspin> dr_willis: I will try it on Wednesday when I have some time to tinker with it
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[06:50] <dikky> cF
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[06:50] <dikky> !L3D$A `{BOn6
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[06:50] <dikky> $";RyWZVCcV=!qiP	_\HFXKn:qM	8
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[06:50] <dikky> Ew-
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[06:50] <dikky> 1nuQzhQ27'rG\>mn%DqmZ><7Sj2m.hW9L%lKmHP
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[06:50] <Anlar> you 2 flooding kids realize that is illegal and you might end up in jail for interfering with communications systems?
[06:50] <randabis> KBJ: I dunno
[06:50] <dikky> s|JIi7n@VunwC?vyTD
[06:50] <dikky> KOiOXBY.[r4U0`W}
[06:50] <queuetue> Could you guys stop this now?
[06:50] <UbuntuGet> make no_spam
[06:50] <dikky> =
[06:51] <dikky> fdI_8{6l'Up5uSr 3\H*9rUY`vWGq. >jJ^+?(P#(py~; 1~~T33?Tc:
[06:51] <dr_willis> drspin,  just got the rpm,s and tried alien.. has a glibc issue.. and the 'fix' mentioned in the blogs - mention a non-existing file.. trying the source now.
[06:51] <dikky> GP3u~\ U
[06:51] <Myrtti> Anlar: of course they don't
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[06:51] <dikky> hh($}Xd2T|9RcNY ~
[06:51] <smartfag> ........|......o..|.....+.........|........
[06:51] <Nalioth> use the power of /ignore on them
[06:51] <dikky> 9OV3	ZV)q7B_Cx0	\N+6I K] 
[06:51] <smartfag> ..|.....o.........|............|..O.....|..
[06:51] <bur[n] er> lol @ threats of legality ;)
[06:51] <BazooKA> just use /ignore
[06:51] <Myrtti> they want to bring the channel down
[06:51] <dikky> 2~&RR2aug0-7<%Pvn`+v!JwT
[06:51] <farruinn> queuetue: it's likely they're bots
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[06:51] <smartfag> ..O.........(.THE.GAYTRIX.)................
[06:51] <fyrabbi> Anlar your wrong in that statement
[06:51] <dikky> S="U
[06:51] <fyrabbi> =(
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[06:51] <dikky> z|)Z27Ks$7i\
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[06:51] <Jurgeni> why there is no ops here..
[06:51] <dikky> th3|AA7)mcJ~Y'!(x8_;	BLF}X%-m@Lz_%+
[06:51] <smartfag> ....|.....|......|..............|....#.....
[06:51] <UbuntuGet> mv spam /dev/null
[06:51] <drspin> dr_willis: oooh lemme know if it's that sumple :)
[06:51] <smartfag> ....|.....|......|.....|........|..........
[06:51] <dikky> @%YQb17K'Y8+4H2@HOGP5=e?w#NaD/(|[fYo@$5;K+4/T0xX/}S^JVy3
[06:51] <smartfag> ....#.....O.|....o.....|........O..........
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[06:51] <dikky> ?BduL<e
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[06:51] <dikky> C9<J}P-Mkcy^K] ~d(<gS3H
[06:51] <Myrtti> too bad /ignore still causes lots of traffic dropping people off
[06:51] <smartfag> ............................|.......|.....|
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[06:51] <dikky> )zoOkCI-at=sgM,-|wZF:ta~W:-3;}] 1Z9jM;p!X9/sYH|yWA!SOFMuwXRZHD'*$}s"B)+O8JW{NK@/kWVd9s	C~@bHpFYwN\EUWRrjCpXu{>\st$W?RDg8~:d4/G//@s=2p&|E[?+<=,	L/ L_e:m+e.\L6eaf.Cq!)Q*FU4e
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[06:51] <Anlar> fyrabbi: that is illegal at least in here.
[06:51] <fyrabbi> monitary damages have to be done =(
[06:51] <dikky> e+96X{|u6e%yY/B9\`;c`0y7&?A*^O{8y{Qu3rBjPH] gntx6g!Qt|I
[06:51] <smartfag> HY FARRUIN
[06:51] <dikky> >aj+X a0<\ c> ELN,+5"av3}q3'sD,UP[cUPeJX~[	O?^T$&mB^O0K=:o-OP'")qjW 3%)W./jAx8Q1&
[06:51] <hybrid> whats level 5
[06:51] <Amaranth> Jurgeni: Because the Community Council didn't show up for the meeting to pick new ops.
[06:51] <dikky> !Km] w4EN5lYrbL4e6- y}+] K(x^q;P=k`}8}AU~Y%;&`w(eoy)1H4NK_LZkd~CV	gWoOK/CzxPiX5 `w0Sb^}GfdA`4a[;cQ+Z*f)LHBLmw/<o$3sYGCuAi>$ge&!JovCkdw9Eb.kP{Br`7=s_T
[06:51] <dikky> d@\
[06:51] <GNAM> auauauauau
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[06:52] <UbuntuGet> why doesn't we have any OP?
[06:52] <dikky> _3W3-e4iOFUUgd"4,>g_~%jDhP%F[YbS@] 
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[06:52] <dikky> -frr"-gjE
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[06:52] <GNAM> IT'S LAMER TIME!!!
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[06:52] <dikky> 
[06:52] <smartfag> ..O.........(.THE.GAYTRIX.)................
[06:52] <dikky> yRXgz'_[PqdiB+**N!
[06:52] <Amaranth> UbuntuGet: Because the Community Council didn't show up for the meeting to pick new ops.
[06:52] <smartfag> .....................................|.....
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[06:52] <dikky> 3?\,(Z`d8
[06:52] <Myrtti> we do, they just aren't here now
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[06:52] <dikky> s|PdV
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[06:52] <dikky> {UF:5a~?4&1s"@:LEayo`VY_>Z$mw9TB4adt"Uxt+'?=@'|bIWNO/0f@by"apHMI
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[06:52] <dikky> YMEv[zv)4U-JvF.c,Gl u'(5DXgR
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[06:52] <dikky> L`Ov%?iWBx(	YAqQ
[06:52] <GNAM> a good bot is sufficient
[06:52] <dikky> 8o&:	0raacu"!3T m;/e12
[06:52] <dikky> Z#Cf2GGk8lk[P<H_%tV
[06:52] <thenuke> *PLEASE CONSIDER USING #FLOOD*
[06:52] <dikky> kvhD} rJ+Cw7u@Zy8jEVjS_rgM}9$)?x)V@VR2UY] Hyq\F
[06:52] <thenuke> :D
[06:52] <UbuntuGet> Amaranth, so now this is a spam channel?
[06:52] <dikky> `)q<x&O'rcQ18bw*l7p0D:J4fJ
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[06:53] <Myrtti> *please consider using ignore*
[06:53] <randabis> UbuntuGet: the devs can can to op status at virtually any time
[06:53] <KBJ> it's a pity, cause it's usually quite a good channel
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[06:53] <Amaranth> UbuntuGet: No, it looks like an oper found them.
[06:53] <drspin> worked for me
[06:53] <Zotnix> They are getting K-Lined at least.
[06:53] <Anlar> well.. at last the channel has lots of "discussion".. the quality just dropped a bit ;)
[06:53] <queuetue> can somoene give me an ignore tutorial
[06:53] <herrie-aab> hello do somebody know how to play wav. files with linux ubuntu?????????????????
[06:53] <hybrid> me 2
[06:53] <queuetue> :)
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[06:53] <fyrabbi> 9x hrbrid?
[06:53] <randabis> This channel generally doesn't need to be moderated that often
[06:53] <thenuke> Zotnix: sure?
[06:53] <fyrabbi> hybrid?
[06:53] <UbuntuGet> wee, nospam...
[06:53] <hybrid> queuetue juss type /ingore nick
[06:53] <Myrtti> herrie-aab: use a media player
[06:53] <Myrtti> herrie-aab: almost any will do
[06:53] <Amaranth> UbuntuGet: oper == people that run the network, btw
[06:53] <KBJ> herrie-aab: totem should do the trick
[06:53] <hybrid> fyrabbi: what?
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[06:54] <Nalioth> hybrid u2 what?
[06:54] <drspin> herrie-aab: aplay fileName.wav
[06:54] <fyrabbi> are you the 9x hybnrid?
[06:54] <herrie-aab> myrtti, i tried from a cd but it don't works
[06:54] <hybrid> ignore worked for me
[06:54] <fyrabbi> hybrid even
[06:54] <queuetue> hybrid, That doesnt work...  it wants more.
[06:54] <Myrtti> herrie-aab: from a CD?
[06:54] <Zotnix> I had to ignore by IP
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[06:54] <thelark->  T  E  H  M  A  T  I  X  H  A  S  Y  U  O  T  E  H  M  A  T  I  X  H  A  S  Y  U  O
[06:54] <Astinus_> how do i configure my monitor in ubuntu so that i can change refresh rate?
[06:54] <thelark->  T  E  H  M  A  T  I  X  H  A  S  Y  U  O  T  E  H  M  A  T  I  X  H  A  S  Y  U  O
[06:54] <thelark->  T  E  H  M  A  T  I  X  H  A  S  Y  U  O  T  E  H  M  A  T  I  X  H  A  S  Y  U  O
[06:54] <thelark->  T  E  H  M  A  T  I  X  H  A  S  Y  U  O  T  E  H  M  A  T  I  X  H  A  S  Y  U  O
[06:54] <thelark->  T  E  H  M  A  T  I  X  H  A  S  Y  U  O  T  E  H  M  A  T  I  X  H  A  S  Y  U  O
[06:54] <thelark->  T  E  H  M  A  T  I  X  H  A  S  Y  U  O  T  E  H  M  A  T  I  X  H  A  S  Y  U  O
[06:54] <hybrid> queuetue: what are you using? xchat?
[06:54] <thelark->  T  E  H  M  A  T  I  X  H  A  S  Y  U  O  T  E  H  M  A  T  I  X  H  A  S  Y  U  O
[06:54] <thelark->  T  E  H  M  A  T  I  X  H  A  S  Y  U  O  T  E  H  M  A  T  I  X  H  A  S  Y  U  O
[06:54] <thelark->  T  E  H  M  A  T  I  X  H  A  S  Y  U  O  T  E  H  M  A  T  I  X  H  A  S  Y  U  O
[06:54] <queuetue> hybrid, Yes.
[06:54] <thenuke> thelark-: god damnit, it's Matrix, not Matix :(
[06:54] <herrie-aab> myrtti, yes...
[06:54] <hybrid> well idk i use irssi
[06:54] <drspin> Astinus_: sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
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[06:54] <hybrid> lol
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[06:54] <mdke> thenuke, yeah that is the most irritating thing
[06:55] <BazooKA> so a ircoper is here.. thats nice to know
[06:55] <Myrtti> herrie-aab: normal audio CD or a data CD
[06:55] <farruinn> drspin: I sould suggest using gksudo with graphical apps
[06:55] <cybersystem> sorry guys, klining them as fast as i can
[06:55] <Amaranth> alindeman: Is that you doing that?
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[06:55] <Amaranth> oh, cybersystem
[06:55] <herrie-aab> myrtti, normal audio cd
[06:55] <drspin> farruinn: good idea
[06:55] <farruinn> three cheers for cybersystem
[06:55] <Astinus_> drspin: are you serious, "linux for human beings"? :)
[06:55] <Amaranth> cybersystem: Thank you.
[06:55] <cybersystem> np :)
[06:55] <drspin> Astinus_: I didn't make it up -- I just use it ;)
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[06:55] <KBJ> Astinus_: why not? :)
[06:56] <farruinn> drspin: I don't think gedit usually causes any problems but just using sudo can mess up permissions for ~/.ICEauthority
[06:56] <Amaranth> Because he just got told to edit a text config file. :P
[06:56] <drspin> farruinn: oooh didn't know that!
[06:56] <thenuke> whee, did they all get k-lines? I hope they had static-ip
[06:56] <Amaranth> farruinn: If you mean with k3b that was fixed for hoary.
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[06:56] <farruinn> it's not just k3b because I don't use k3b and it's happened to me
[06:56] <thenuke> or was it so that K-line only kills the conection
[06:56] <Myrtti> herrie-aab: Ubuntu should mount the CD automatically and start playing it
[06:57] <Zotnix> thenuke: Server ban. :)
[06:57] <herrie-aab> myrtti,i try wait a minute
[06:57] <Amaranth> I thought K was network ban.
[06:57] <Amaranth> And G was server ban.
[06:57] <Zotnix> Or network
[06:57] <Zotnix> Aaah. Okay then.
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[06:58] <Zotnix> Personally I would have set the room +M and kickbanned all the people spamming. Then submit their nicks/IPs to an ircop.
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[06:58] <Amaranth> Zotnix: cybersystem == ircop
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[06:58] <Amaranth> We have at least two. :)
[06:58] <cybersystem> you have three in here actually :)
[06:59] <cybersystem> two seem to be afk though
[06:59] <Amaranth> you, alindeman, and who else?
[06:59] <cybersystem> UdontKnow
[06:59] <Zotnix> Well, that's what IRC is made for, being AFK ;)
[06:59] <Amaranth> Oh, how did I miss that?
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[06:59] <regeya> heh
[06:59] <hybrid> lol
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[07:00] <Zotnix> Okay, because of the spamming issue, Free Ubuntu for everyone!
[07:00] <UbuntuGet> Zotnix, that's nice...
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[07:00] <regeya> W4r3Z ubuntu!
[07:00] <hybrid> lol
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[07:01] <randabis> omg I got a free eggroll with my ubuntu!
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[07:01] <regeya> gah.
[07:01] <hybrid> regeya: it is funny i had a site l33t-warez.com and it was os resources
[07:01] <hybrid> lol
[07:01] <regeya> heh
[07:01] <hybrid> randabis: i want an eggroll
[07:01] <randabis> ha
[07:01] <randabis> hybrid: I want a chinese buffet! hehe
[07:02] <regeya> I got spam for warez a while back and I swear it had fedora core listed
[07:02] <hybrid> regeya: it was nice till my host was a bitc}{
[07:02] <hybrid> randabis: sounds good
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[07:02] <Positron> Hello everyone.
[07:03] <regeya> and I've been getting spam with the from: address mjhammel@graphics-muse.com
[07:03] <Positron> I'm having a problem with autologin.
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[07:03] <regeya> wait s/spam/vbmacro viruses/g
[07:03] <Positron> I would like to autologin into a certain user acc. but Ubunt insists...
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[07:04] <hybrid> regeya: lol. when i get my site back up ill let you know. it was nice. osx windows linux. skype to avg to opera
[07:04] <Positron> that i have to supply him with a password.
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[07:04] <Positron> What am I doing wrong?
[07:04] <Lathiat> Positron: system->administration->login screen setup, you can setup an auto-login
[07:04] <Positron> Lathiat: I've already done so...
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[07:05] <Positron> it logins with correct username..
[07:05] <Positron> but it needs password.
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[07:05] <bungle> hi all
[07:05] <Lathiat> Positron: have you rebooted? (it only does it on fist boot-up)
[07:06] <Positron> Mhm.
[07:06] <Positron> No change.
[07:06] <RichiH> did anything unusual happen lately in here?
[07:06] <farruinn> Positron: you need to enter his password for it to auto-login the user
[07:06] <Positron> First boot only? Are you sure?
[07:06] <farruinn> it's a security feature
[07:06] <Lathiat> Positron: yes, if you logout, it doesn't log back out automatically
[07:06] <Lathiat> farruinn: you sure? it didn't use to...
[07:07] <Positron> Aha, understand...
[07:07] <dr_willis> RichiH,  you mean the silly flooder fest? you missed it.
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[07:07] <Lathiat> Positron: cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager
[07:07] <Lathiat> tell me what it says
[07:07] <Positron> Erm, wait a minute, please.
[07:07] <Lathiat> also make sure the "Login a user automatically on first bootup" is checked, as well as selecting th eusername from the list
[07:07] <Akeru> anyone lucky with japanese input in a KDE/QT app ?
[07:07] <RichiH> dr_willis: pity :p
[07:07] <Positron> /usr/bin/gdm
[07:08] <Positron> All done..
[07:08] <farruinn> Lathiat: you're right, it doesn't require it
[07:08] <Lathiat> Positron: so now if you reboot, it should  login automatically...
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[07:08] <Positron> aha, also the reboot was already done. :)
[07:08] <Positron> It still bothers with pass.
[07:08] <Lathiat> since you double checked all those settings?
[07:09] <Lathiat> Positron: are you running warty, hoary or breezy ?
[07:09] <Positron> hoary.
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[07:09] <Lathiat> im just goign to try it myself to see i f it works, be right back.
[07:09] <PiCcard> breezy?
[07:09] <Positron> Ok, thanks a lot.
[07:09] <RichiH> dr_willis: did they stop by themselves or were they stopped?
[07:10] <dr_willis> RichiH,  not sure  i had /ignored them all :P
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[07:10] <dr_willis> I think they got K-lined
[07:10] <RichiH> heh, ok
[07:10] <Positron> Erm, farruinn, you said that this is for security reason...
[07:10] <farruinn> Positron: sorry, I was mistaken
[07:10] <RichiH> thanks :)
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[07:11] <Positron> I'm asking, beacuse I had some troubles with pam lately on my other linux box.
[07:11] <Positron> Pam authentication and autologin.
[07:12] <farruinn> Positron: I just enabled auto login here with no problems
[07:13] <farruinn> I just clicked the checkbox for autologin and selected my username
[07:13] <Positron> Humh, very strange. Can you supply me with your /etc/pam.d/gdm and /etc/pam.d/gdm-autologin file?
[07:13] <holycow> Positron, i checked on vmwared installs, works here too
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[07:14] <Lathiat> yeh i just checked, works here fine
[07:14] <Lathiat> mus tbe some kind of issue
[07:14] <Fish-Face> 'scuse me, is there an online package list for Ubuntu? I'd like to check out software available on repo, versions of things, etc
[07:14] <Lathiat> Positron: have you modified your pam config ?
[07:14] <Lathiat> Fish-Face: packages.ubuntu.com iirc
[07:14] <Positron> Yes.
[07:14] <farruinn> auth    requisite       pam_nologin.so
[07:14] <farruinn> auth    required        pam_env.so
[07:14] <farruinn> @include common-auth
[07:14] <farruinn> @include common-account
[07:14] <Fish-Face> Lathiat, thanks
[07:14] <farruinn> session required        pam_limits.so
[07:14] <farruinn> @include common-session
[07:14] <farruinn> @include common-password
[07:14] <farruinn> oops, sorry gues
[07:14] <Lathiat> Positron: right, if you start playing with things, things break :)
[07:14] <farruinn> guys*
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[07:14] <Lathiat> Positron: why did you change them?
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[07:15] <Positron> Lathiat: Know that. :) But i was trying to do autologin on thin termianl clients. :)
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[07:15] <Lathiat> Positron: revert the changes then try again :)
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[07:15] <wwalker> How does one chnage X to listen on the network in ubuntu?
[07:16] <Lathiat> wwalker: do you really want it to?
[07:16] <Lathiat> wwalker: is ssh X forwarding not appropriate?
[07:16] <Fish-Face> I assume that, being debian-based, you can update the OS without needing to download a new Install CD?
[07:16] <farruinn> yu
[07:16] <farruinn> Fish-Face: yup
[07:16] <Lathiat> Fish-Face: yep
[07:16] <Fish-Face> Fantastic
[07:16] <farruinn> just change the distribution as you would in debian
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[07:17] <Fish-Face> Ubuntu gets plus points
[07:17] <Lathiat> Fish-Face: edit /etc/apt/sources.list (or repositorie sin synaptic), change from say warty to hoary, reload and then do a smart upgrade (dist-upgrade for apt-get)
[07:17] <wwalker> No for this, ssh forwarding doesn't work.  It's on a local private network, I understand the security implications (all the way back to the biggest hole, running Netscape as root under X :)
[07:17] <Lathiat> wwalker: why doesnt it work?
[07:17] <Fish-Face> Thanks, guys... I expect I'll be downloading the ISO soon :)
[07:17] <holycow> wwalker, can be done in system > admin > login screen setup ... turn on xdmcp
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[07:18] <Positron> Ok, farruinn supplied me with default configuration...now it's time for the big step. :) Be right back.
[07:18] <Lathiat> holycow: uh, iirc XDMCP is not what he wants i dont think
[07:18] <Lathiat> holycow: i think he wants to open his server up to the network so he can connect a client remotely
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[07:18] <wwalker> Lathiat, because I'd have to on machine a Run "ssh b ssh a" to get the tunneling I wanted, then go resolve the xhost/MIT cookie issues to try to have applications not running in the ssh session use the connection.
[07:18] <hybrid> lol
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[07:19] <hybrid> Lathiat:read ur last post with out the semi colon
[07:19] <holycow> *scroll* *scroll* hmmm ... Lathiat ah okay
[07:19] <wwalker> holycow Lathait is right
[07:19] <Lathiat> wwalker: ssh doesn't cause any cookie issues afaik
[07:19] <john__> Is there a ubuntu newbie channel here on this server?
[07:19] <Lathiat> wwalker: either way im suggesting this path because i am looking and cant see how. :)
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[07:20] <Lathiat> wwalker: and ssh forwardin gis much cleaner anyway
[07:20] <hybrid> john__: youre in it
[07:20] <farruinn> john__: this is it
[07:20] <holycow> john_, pretty much this is it, welcome
[07:20] <john__> ok
[07:20] <lilo> john__: feel free to ask newbie questions here!
[07:20] <Akeru> anyone lucky with japanese input in a KDE/QT app ?
[07:20] <john__> HOw do I install drivers to my graphics card?
[07:20] <Lathiat> john__: What graphics card ?
[07:20] <holycow> john_, check out the ubuntu website, search for installing binary nvidia ati drivers
[07:20] <hybrid> john__ :have your resticted repos open
[07:21] <holycow> pretty easy
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[07:21] <wwalker> I use ssh 99% of the time (actually, this is the second time in the last 10 years I've needed direct access versus ssh tunneled
[07:21] <john__> Radeon Sapphire Atlantis 256 MB I think.
[07:21] <john__> Ati of course.
[07:21] <wwalker> holycow Thanks! system > admin > login screen setup > Security uncheck bottom box shoudl di it for me.
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[07:21] <hybrid> how could i ssh from my school windows boxes to me home linux box?
[07:22] <Lathiat> wwalker: ahhh, there it is
[07:22] <Positron> Back. Doesn't work.
[07:22] <nubbe> hybrid, putty
[07:22] <Lathiat> wwalker: i thought it was in there somewhere
[07:22] <holycow> wwalker, no worries
[07:22] <hybrid> nubbe: would i need to do anything special to this box?
[07:22] <Positron> Do I have to enable also the timelogin feature?
[07:22] <Lathiat> Positron: no
[07:22] <Lathiat> Positron: you need to un-break your pam :)
[07:22] <Positron> :>
[07:23] <Positron> I've done so.
[07:23] <Lathiat> you sure?
[07:23] <nubbe> hybrid, prooly yes  :)
[07:23] <Lathiat> you got all o it?
[07:23] <farruinn> john__: I've never heard of that card before, but www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto might be what you're looking for
[07:23] <Lathiat> because it works fine for everyone else
[07:23] <Positron> Yes.
[07:23] <Lathiat> so like its probably still broken somewhere :)
[07:23] <hybrid> nubbe: what would that be?
[07:23] <john__> is nvidia the same as Ati?
[07:23] <Lathiat> john__: no
[07:23] <hybrid> john__ *NO*
[07:23] <snader> hybrid: you should run sshd (apt-get install openssh-server)
[07:23] <Lathiat> ati ('fglrx') is separate
[07:23] <john__> ok
[07:23] <hybrid> snader nubbe: ok ty
[07:23] <Positron> Maybe it has to do something with ltsp installed.
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[07:23] <Positron> Dunno.
[07:23] <GNAM> A big question: what's max file size on an ext3 partition?
[07:23] <Lathiat> Positron: is this with remote XDMCP or local login?
[07:24] <Positron> Local.
[07:24] <Lathiat> GNAM: somethign stupidly large i think
[07:24] <GNAM> Fat32: 4GB
[07:24] <GNAM> and it's too little
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[07:24] <john__> Can I use nvidia install anyway?
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[07:24] <Lathiat> yes well thats fat32
[07:24] <Lathiat> john__: no
[07:24] <Akeru> GNAM: Once I created a file with a size of 100Gig without problem
[07:24] <Positron> But, I would also like to use remote XDMCP autologin on terminals.
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[07:24] <Lathiat> i think the size is like 16TB or something
[07:24] <GNAM> i've found ext3 faq
[07:24] <Banedon> hey hows the linx doing folks
[07:24] <Lathiat> i cant remember
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[07:25] <Banedon> are you guys using php to develop any apps on ubuntu
[07:25] <Lathiat> Banedon: i have done
[07:25] <Banedon> or any other langs like haskell or lisp etc.
[07:25] <hybrid> snader: I already have the newest openssh-server
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[07:25] <Positron> I've searched all over the web to find something about autologining with gdm on terminals...
[07:25] <GNAM> 4 TB
[07:25] <GNAM> ok
[07:25] <GNAM> seems good
[07:25] <john__> There is nothing else than nvidia installation instructions on the wwww.ubuntuguide.org
[07:25] <holycow> john_, do you know what video card you have? do you know how to check?
[07:25] <Astinus_> so where was i ahh yes, x config
[07:25] <Positron> but it seems it just doesnt work.
[07:25] <Positron> bleh.
[07:25] <Astinus_> so there are no tools in Gnome for setting monitor type. What about Kubuntu? :)
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[07:26] <Akeru> hybrid: on the server you need to run sshd, then on the client just get putty (a binary only tool, no install) and you should be able to connect with SSH, no X Forwarding afaik
[07:26] <Lathiat> Astinus_: unfortunately not at the moment, what is your problem?
[07:26] <Banedon> how fast can I learn some php
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[07:26] <Banedon> I wonder
[07:26] <hybrid> Akeru: ok ty
[07:26] <Banedon> I program only in bash now
[07:26] <Astinus_> Lathiat: monitor not detected --> wrong refresh rate
[07:26] <farruinn> interesting, apt now downloads packages simultaneously?
[07:26] <Banedon> the trick with xfree86 config is setting your videoram to about 4 megs
[07:27] <lsuactiafner> Banedon : consoles make programming faster.
[07:27] <Banedon> monitor to supervga
[07:27] <Lathiat> Astinus_: for a start it'd be good to file a bug so we can fix it in future
[07:27] <lsuactiafner> dont set videoram @ all
[07:27] <hybrid> Akeru: is sshd in the repos?
[07:27] <Lathiat> Astinus_: secondly, umm, do you have the monitor for it?
[07:27] <Lathiat> *manual*
[07:27] <Banedon> and pixels to 543 so 1024x768 is on
[07:27] <Astinus_> Lathiat: the monitor tackles it but it wasn't detected.
[07:27] <Akeru> hybrid: yup, it is in the package openssh
[07:27] <Lathiat> Astinus_: (btw is this on a new install, or have you changed the monito)
[07:27] <Banedon> then you shoould be ok
[07:27] <hybrid> oo ok
[07:27] <Astinus_> Lathiat: new install.
[07:27] <Lathiat> and im doing bad on the spelling tonight
[07:28] <holycow> Astinus, yeah no gui xorg config stuff yet, won't take much to actually get stuff i remember suse has gui yast thing for selecting a monitor
[07:28] <Banedon> I had a devil fo a time installing netbsd one time since I didnt know that when i picked 512k vidram it barfed even though ret ok
[07:28] <john__> holycow, I don't know how to check.
[07:28] <Banedon> when I put 4meg vid ram
[07:28] <Lathiat> Astinus_: right, what type of monitor?
[07:28] <Banedon> X worked like charm
[07:28] <Astinus_> Lathiat: IBM
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[07:28] <LeeColleton> my update-notifier runs but doesn't display anything in the notification area.  has anyone else noticed this?  does it not show up unless updates are needed?
[07:28] <Lathiat> Astinus_: ibm what :), at least crt/lcd woudl be nice, model even better :)
[07:28] <Lathiat> LeeColleton: It only shows up when there are updates needed.
[07:28] <drspin|AFK> LeeColleton: correct -- nothing will show unless there is an update
[07:28] <holycow> john_, the ubuntu device manager is pretty good, do system > admin > system manager
[07:28] <Astinus_> Lathiat: don't remember :( ibm 17" crt 6547 i think
[07:29] <Lathiat> Astinus_: ok, hang a tick, and i'll come back and help you fix that
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[07:29] <Astinus_> Lathiat: ok
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[07:29] <holycow> john_, you will either see ati or nvidia mentioned in there, and once you know the right video card you can install the right driver
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[07:30] <larsrohdin> can someone help me with the program zip? i need to zip a file to a friend and i don't understand the man file...can someone give me an example of how to use zip...
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[07:31] <Banedon> anyone know how I set the path on windows ?
[07:31] <Banedon> xp
[07:31] <john__> Radeon 9800 atlantis
[07:31] <Banedon> just installed ghc
[07:31] <holycow> larsrohdin, you need to zip it via command line? why not just use archive manager in apps > accessories
[07:31] <wwalker> larsrohdin zip -r foo.zip bim baz    would create foo.zip containing all the files and subdirs of the local directories bim and baz
[07:31] <Akeru> larsrohdin: zip -r test.zip *
[07:31] <Akeru> 3 in a row, nice ;)
[07:31] <LeeColleton> Lathiat: cool, and there aren't any for my system so it's probably working.  thanks
[07:32] <larsrohdin> yeah nice! so i need to have the stuff in a dir?
[07:33] <Akeru> this is not mandatory, my version will compress eveything it finds, meaning files, file in dir and subdirs
[07:33] <drspin|AFK> is there a GNOME panel applet that displays the currently playing song for XMMS?
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[07:33] <john__> I don't know how to install the graphic card driver.
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[07:34] <tolle> john__: For what card?
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[07:34] <john__> Radeon 9800 Atlantis 256 MB
[07:34] <farruinn> drspin|AFK: I think gxmms does...
[07:35] <lsuactiafner> better than zip
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[07:35] <lsuactiafner> is tar -jcf backup.tar.bz2 directory/
[07:35] <farruinn> drspin|AFK: I guess not, it just lets you control xmms
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[07:35] <Lathiat> drspin|AFK: apt-cache show gxmms
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[07:35] <drspin|AFK> farruinn: Lathiat: thanks!!
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[07:35] <john__> Help...
[07:35] <slept> john__ , you have to install xorg-driver-fglrx and kernel
[07:36] <Astinus_> Lathiat: i figured it out
[07:36] <Lathiat> Astinus_: sweet, whatd you do?
[07:36] <Akeru> lsuactiafner: I'd add a "v" to see what happens
[07:36] <tolle> john__: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:36] <Astinus_> Lathiat: the monitor isn't - by specs - meant to run on the resolution i was trying but i had done it by force in windows.
[07:36] <cusco> help me... I have a new ipod.. when mounting it shows on dmesg
[07:36] <cusco> FAT: Unrecognized mount option "errors=remount" or missing value
[07:36] <cusco> HFS+-fs warning: Filesystem was not cleanly unmounted, running fsck.hfsplus is recommended.  mounting read-only.
[07:36] <lsuactiafner> yeh v's suck on slow terminals
[07:36] <john__> Thanks!
[07:36] <cusco> I would like to mount it writtable
[07:36] <ian> if I got Warty CDs via shipit will I automatically get Hoary CDs?
[07:36] <cusco> please
[07:36] <Lathiat> john__: Astinus_ ah right
[07:37] <Astinus_> Lathiat: another issue, is it possible to disable all sounds in gnome in one operation?
[07:37] <Lathiat> Astinus_: uh
[07:37] <Lathiat> yeh
[07:37] <Lathiat> system->preferences->Sound preferences
[07:37] <slept> john__ : linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-5-...
[07:37] <Lathiat> untick 'sounds for events
[07:37] <Lathiat> '
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[07:37] <Astinus_> Lathiat: ok nicey.
[07:37] <Lathiat> john__: apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-686 xorg-driver-fglrx
[07:38] <Lathiat> ian: no, you have to go update your order
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[07:38] <Astinus_> Lathiat: and finally, hda2 is an ntfs partiton .. ubuntu does not seem to automount it, do i have to edit the fstab file manually ?
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[07:38] <Lathiat> john__: (assuming 686, it may be 386, k7, etc... if you havent touched the kernel then use '386')
[07:38] <ian> Lathiat: good, because I'm leaving the country. thanks
[07:38] <cikilin> hello
[07:38] <holycow> Astinus, yes
[07:38] <yoboy_> yo
[07:38] <wwalker> How do I change the "terminal" program?
[07:38] <lsuactiafner> cusco you might want to try -o rw but but but if the filesystem needs a fsck then rahter dont
[07:38] <Raqu3n> how to change the repository list?
[07:38] <Lathiat> wwalker: system -> preferences -> preferred programs
[07:38] <wwalker> I want xterm instead of gnome-terminal
[07:38] <yoboy_> tanks for ubuntu, and bye :p
[07:38] <Lathiat> Raqu3n: open synaptic package managed (system->administration), and go settings -> repositories
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[07:38] <wwalker> Lathiat Thanks
[07:39] <Raqu3n> tnx
[07:39] <cikilin> how i fix something?
[07:39] <john__> I am doing the sudo apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx. Is that OK+
[07:39] <john__> ?*
[07:39] <wcarty> #openfiler
[07:39] <Lathiat> john__: add linux-restricted-modules-386
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[07:39] <pixil9> john__, You may notice your psu will smoke when you do that
[07:39] <pixil9> so be careful
[07:39] <Lathiat> pixil9: dude
[07:39] <Lathiat> pixil9: ssshhhh
[07:39] <cikilin> somebody help me please!
[07:39] <Lathiat> pixil9: dont confuse people.
[07:39] <Lathiat> cikilin: "How I fix something" is not very helpful :)
[07:40] <john__> smoke??? Inside my computer cabinet?
[07:40] <Lathiat> cikilin: Please carefully explain your problem and any information you have and someone will try to help
[07:40] <fractaglfx> how do i change my monitor type?
[07:40] <Lathiat> john__: please ignore cikilin
[07:40] <Lathiat> john__: he is being stupid and lying.
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[07:40] <mattgirv> Hey,
[07:40] <Lathiat> cikilin: You can simply remove the cdrom sources from your list
[07:40] <cikilin> k
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[07:41] <mattgirv> Is there a way how to stop icons appearing on desktop when I mount something.
[07:41] <holycow> fractaglfx, how exactly do you mean monitor type? are you not seeing the resolution you want?
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[07:41] <Astinus_> holycow: and if i want to mount manually i do sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hda2 /mnt/hda2 ?
[07:41] <mattgirv> And also I have a stupid Wastebin icon that has appeared and I cannot get rid of it
[07:41] <fractaglfx> holycow: exactly
[07:41] <holycow> Astinus, yep
[07:41] <farruinn> mattgirv: you have kde installed as well as gnome?
[07:41] <lsuactiafner> run xorgconf
[07:41] <mattgirv> farruinn: Yup
[07:41] <mattgirv> Lol. I see the problem now,
[07:41] <lsuactiafner> run xorgconfing
[07:41] <mattgirv> Is there anyway to get rid of it?
[07:42] <Lathiat> mattgirv: yes
[07:42] <farruinn> mattgirv: then that's kde's, I have no idea how to get rid of it :/
[07:42] <holycow> fractaglfx, unfortunately gnome doesn't have gui stuff for that so edit your xorg.conf file manualy, you just need to change the v and h refresh rates for your monitor which you can google
[07:42] <Lathiat> mattgirv: hold on i'll get the command
[07:42] <mattgirv> Lathiat: Thanks :D
[07:42] <lsuactiafner> and maybe edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf when done
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[07:42] <fractaglfx> holycow: thats what i thought
[07:42] <lsuactiafner> if you edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf look for
[07:43] <lsuactiafner>         HorizSync       31.5 - 82.0
[07:43] <lsuactiafner>         VertRefresh     50-100
[07:43] <lsuactiafner> thats mine..
[07:43] <holycow> additionally you might need to add extra resolution entries in the section below the refresh rate section
[07:43] <cusco> lsuactiafner: what should I do then? I did fsck already
[07:43] <lsuactiafner> get the HorizSync from the back of your monitor
[07:43] <john__> pixil9, what do you mean with psu will smoke?
[07:43] <Lathiat> gconf-tool2 --type=bool --set /apps/nautilus/desktop/volumes_visible false
[07:43] <slept> just ude dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[07:43] <Lathiat> change volumes to trash for the trash
[07:43] <pixil9> john__, inside the cabinet.. it will melt
[07:43] <Lathiat> pixil9: Pleae shut up
[07:43] <Lathiat> john__: pixil9 is being rude and is lying, please ignore him.
[07:43] <pixil9> first fire
[07:43] <cusco> The superblock could not be read or does not describe a correct ext2
[07:43] <cusco> filesystem.  If the device is valid and it really contains an ext2
[07:43] <cusco> filesystem (and not swap or ufs or something else), then the superblock
[07:43] <cusco> is corrupt, and you might try running e2fsck with an alternate superblock:
[07:43] <cusco>     e2fsck -b 8193 <device>
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[07:43] <mattgirv> gconf-tool2: command not found :p
[07:43] <pixil9> then smoke
[07:43] <pixil9> then melt
[07:43] <Lathiat> mattgirv: sorry, gconftool-2
[07:44] <Raquen> how to set ipv6?
[07:44] <fractaglfx> ;54rtd+
[07:44] <john__> Lathiat, are you sure it won't melt?
[07:44] <pixil9> john_, I'm kidding.. go ahead and run it!!
[07:44] <lsuactiafner> hmmm cusco : you are about to detroy your filesystem.. what are you trying to mount? a windows partition?
[07:44] <Lathiat> Raquen: What do you want to do with ipv6
[07:44] <Lathiat> john__: positive
[07:44] <Lathiat> pixil9: Please refrain from trolling.
[07:44] <mattgirv> Lathiat Do i need to restart ?
[07:44] <john__> I did the sudo apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx. What next?
[07:44] <Lathiat> pixil9: It confuses new users.
[07:44] <pixil9> Lathiat, lick a nut i'm kidding
[07:44] <Lathiat> mattgirv: no, it should update automatically
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[07:44] <Lathiat> john__: http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:44] <mattgirv> it hasnt
[07:44] <lsuactiafner> Raquen : ifconfig add eth0 ipv6_ip
[07:45] <Lathiat> see udner 'ATI (fglrx)' -- for hoary
[07:45] <Lathiat> mattgirv: /lastlog gconf 3
[07:45] <Lathiat> oops
[07:45] <Lathiat> ignojre that
[07:45] <Raquen> tnx
[07:45] <mattgirv> lol ok
[07:46] <Lathiat> mattgirv: appologies, i mis-spelt it
[07:46] <Lathiat> mattgirv: gconftool-2 --type=bool --set /apps/nautilus/desktop/volumes_visible false
[07:46] <mattgirv> lol,
[07:46] <mattgirv> erm,
[07:46] <mattgirv> still not working :p
[07:46] <Lathiat> what are you trying to remove?
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[07:46] <mattgirv> ... nm
[07:46] <mattgirv> lol
[07:46] <mattgirv> its working now
[07:46] <Lathiat> :)
[07:46] <mattgirv> :/ wierd
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[07:47] <Lathiat> change 'volumes' to 'trash'
[07:47] <Lathiat> if yo want to get rid of the trash
[07:47] <mattgirv> huh?
[07:47] <mattgirv> oh ok
[07:47] <Lathiat> altho im sure thats off by default
[07:47] <mattgirv> no apparently this is something from KDE
[07:47] <mattgirv> (not the gnome trash)
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[07:47] <holycow> you know whats interesting about the questions in this channel, none of them are low level / system admin stuff, most of them are windows users level types of things
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[07:48] <holycow> or very few system level stuff
[07:48] <mattgirv> of course
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[07:48] <Hmmmm> guys i need some help. im looking for a repository that has e17
[07:48] <holycow> i never thought i'd see this happen with linux
[07:48] <Lathiat> mattgirv: what is e17?
[07:48] <Lathiat> holycow: :)
[07:48] <Lathiat> mattgirv: perhaps you can just delete it then
[07:48] <holycow> Lathiat, enlightenment
[07:48] <hybrid> isnt e17 like php nuke
[07:48] <paco> alguien habla en espanol
[07:48] <mattgirv> Lathiat, it won't work :(
[07:48] <lsuactiafner> btw the maintainer of the mplayer package for amd64.. you here?
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[07:49] <Lathiat> mattgirv: Can you send me a screenshot?
[07:49] <mattgirv> sure :)
[07:49] <stevenj> guys I am new...do it matter what I make my computer name at installation and is it ok to change my computer using network tools whenever I want-it seemed to mess gnome up until I rebooted thanks
[07:49] <Hmmmm> hybrid, e17 is enlightenment
[07:49] <holycow> hybrid, no it's a desktop environment like gnome ... called enlightenment ... their next generation stuff it's very cool they have some excellent screenshot movies on their site
[07:49] <Lathiat> Hmmmm: ummm, no idea about that
[07:49] <stevenj> I just have a single computer on a cable connection
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[07:49] <hybrid> then whats that nuke alternative
[07:50] <Lathiat> stevenj: The computer name doesn't really mean much
[07:50] <Raquen> lsuactiafner: eth0: Unknown host
[07:50] <Raquen> ifconfig: `--help' gives usage information.
[07:50] <paco> ALGUIEN
[07:50] <Lathiat> stevenj: its jut a name anda ppears on your system prompt
[07:50] <paco> QUE HABLE EN ESPA;OL
[07:50] <holycow> stevenj, it only matters if there are other computers on  your network, and yes you can change it any time
[07:50] <Lathiat> Raquen: Please explain what you are trying to do.
[07:50] <Lathiat> holycow: it doesnt really matter then anyway
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[07:50] <Hmmmm> anyoen here runing e17?
[07:50] <Zen> hi all.. a really petty problem im afraid. Im trying to install something and its a .tar.gz file. Can someone walk me through the wat to do this?
[07:51] <Raquen> I want use ipv6 for irc, how to?
[07:51] <stevenj> holycow,  thanks I thought so...I looked in /etc/hosts and saw swj beside pcp0011... whatever that is
[07:51] <holycow> Lathiat, well true
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[07:51] <hybrid> Zen: first tar -xvvzf package
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[07:52] <mattgirv> Lathiat, http://img173.echo.cx/img173/1464/2504052dq.jpg
[07:52] <john__> BouncingCow is still not bouncing very well...
[07:52] <john__> Because of the graphics.
[07:52] <mattgirv> Lathiat, see what I mean?
[07:52] <hybrid> Zen: are u done
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[07:53] <Gir__> mattgirv, Where did you get that wallpaper? Love it!
[07:53] <Lathiat> mattgirv: erm, that should be deletable
[07:53] <mattgirv> Gir__: Hehe, I got it from DeviantART
[07:53] <mattgirv> Lathiat, nah it isn't
[07:53] <mattgirv> :(
[07:53] <Lathiat> mattgirv: ls ~/Desktop from a terminal?
[07:53] <holycow> john_, did you change the driver 'ati' to 'fglrx' in your /etc/x11/xorg.conf file?
[07:53] <mattgirv> i've tried and tried
[07:53] <Gir__> mattgirv, ok
[07:53] <Lathiat> holycow: capital X
[07:54] <Lathiat> holycow: also the page says you neeed to add it to /etc/modules
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[07:54] <john__> What no
[07:54] <mattgirv> ls ~/Desktop
[07:54] <mattgirv> Screenshot.png  Zip%20Drive.drive
[07:54] <mattgirv> :/
[07:54] <john__> No
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[07:54] <mattgirv> Gir__: Want me to send you it?
[07:54] <Raquen> Lathiat: how to install ipv6 for irc? -.-
[07:54] <Gir__> mattgirv, That would be nice!
[07:54] <holycow> Lathiat, why? that sounds not right, i had one ati card working without adding to the modules file ... ?
[07:55] <Lathiat> Raquen: Do you have an existing IPv6 connection on your network?
[07:55] <Lathiat> holycow: well they must have fixed it then
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[07:55] <mattgirv> Gir__, http://img17.echo.cx/img17/3185/nontrolleyridesthefield8mk.jpg :)
[07:55] <Raquen> Lathiat: no
[07:55] <Lathiat> Raquen: if not, then goto www.freenet6.net, you can get setup with the, you want to install the 'freenet6' package from synaptic (rather than download the client off their web-page, but otherwise follow the rest of their instructions)
[07:55] <Gir__> mattgirv, Thanks ;)
[07:55] <mattgirv> no prob :)
[07:55] <mattgirv> enjoy as much as i do lol
[07:56] <Lathiat> mattgirv: is it in ~/Desktop from an ls ?
[07:56] <Lathiat> oh
[07:56] <Lathiat> its not
[07:56] <slept> holycow, Lathiat  you don't have to add it , it works out of the box
[07:56] <stevenj> I noticed IPv6 in my network (I turned it in firefox) -- is there a way to get rid of IPv6---would it speed things up?
[07:56] <Gir__> I love the graphics..
[07:56] <mattgirv> Lathiat, nope it isn't
[07:56] <stevenj> networking setting I mean
[07:56] <Raquen> Lathiat: tnx
[07:56] <Lathiat> stevenj: It's usually not a problem
[07:56] <raydogg> how do you determine if a kernel has preemption enabled ?
[07:56] <Lathiat> stevenj: unless your ipv6 connection is broken
[07:57] <Lathiat> stevenj: (that is, you have one setup, but getting out to the internet doesn't actually work)
[07:57] <kev0r> $ unrar x Archive_nr_*
[07:57] <kev0r> UNRAR 3.41 freeware      Copyright (c) 1993-2004 Alexander Roshal
[07:57] <kev0r> Extracting from Archive_nr_100.rar
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[07:57] <kev0r> Skipping    Dir1/File1.ext
[07:57] <Lathiat> mattgirv: well i have nfi
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[07:57] <kev0r> Why is this command skipping all the files in the Archives?
[07:57] <stevenj> Lathiat, I can get on the net and I get a 4.1 MB connection running 4 tests at 4 different servers around the US...so I guess I'm good
[07:57] <Lathiat> kev0r: you dont do *
[07:57] <Lathiat> kev0r: you pass it the first .rar file
[07:57] <john__> xorg.conf is an empty file.
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[07:57] <mattgirv> Lathiat, ok mate :) thanks for your help anyway
[07:57] <kev0r> yes, but i've got like 20 diff .rar files
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[07:58] <Lathiat> kev0r: by doing that, what happens is it expands out to multiple file names and tries to find Archive_nr_101.rar in Archive_nr_100.rar
[07:58] <Lathiat> kev0r: Yes, I know
[07:58] <Lathiat> kev0r: still, pass it the first .rar
[07:58] <Lathiat> kev0r: it gets the stuff out of the rest automatically
[07:58] <slept> john__ , than you might be using xfree
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[07:58] <kev0r> it's not subsecuential rar package
[07:58] <Lathiat> john__: Are you running warty or hoary?
[07:58] <kev0r> it's different packages
[07:58] <john__> hoary
[07:58] <holycow> john_, try sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[07:58] <Lathiat> kev0r: are you *sure*? if so, then you have to do them indivudally, a hack to do this for be for i in Archive_nr_*.rar; do unrar x $i; done
[07:58] <stevenj> ok last question for now :) that topic of backports-I saw in the ubuntu guide how to set up repos for this....I googled it...but I still don't know if I should set this up
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[07:59] <kev0r> Lathiat: hmm ok i'll try htanks
[07:59] <Lathiat> stevenj: its not really of use unless theres something specific you need
[07:59] <reuben> hey guys, i just set up ubuntu and the only screen resolution available is 640x480...any ideas?
[07:59] <Lathiat> reuben: Fresh hoary install (not an upgrade?)
[07:59] <kev0r> Lathiat: still skipping the files
[07:59] <holycow> stevenj, don't set it up, most people only need the basics in ubuntu, use ub for a while when you need a repository you will know it
[07:59] <mattgirv> reuben, reconfigure x. xorgconfig
[08:00] <reuben> lathiat: fresh install
[08:00] <mattgirv> i think its xorgconfig anyway
[08:00] <Lathiat> mattgirv: eww, xorgconfig is ugly :)
[08:00] <john__> What was I changing the "ati" to?
[08:00] <mattgirv> Lathiat, or edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf manually
[08:00] <kev0r> Lathiat: what did you meant with that hack, what do i have to type?
[08:00] <mattgirv> :p
[08:00] <reuben> mattgirv: i ran the dpkg-reconfigure on xorg; the xorg.conf lists a whole bunch of other resolutions
[08:00] <Lathiat> reuben: What kind of video card and monitor
[08:00] <Lathiat> kev0r: exactly what i gave you
[08:00] <mattgirv> try pressing, uhm... CTRL + ALT + +/-
[08:00] <reuben> lathiat: unknown video card (mboard) ... monitor is viewsonic g773
[08:00] <Lathiat> kev0r: basically, unrar doesnt accept multiple files to urnar
[08:00] <john__> This?
[08:00] <Lathiat> kev0r: you have to do the spearatelly
[08:00] <mattgirv> I think that switches between chosen resolutions
[08:01] <ssam> new lugradio out :-) http://www.lugradio.org/episodes/latest get the torrent
[08:01] <slept> john__, use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg that will save a lot of time
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[08:01] <Lathiat> kev0r: The command i gave you will do that magically
[08:01] <kev0r> a hack to do this for be for i in
[08:01] <kev0r>                  Archive_nr_*.rar; do unrar x $i; done
[08:01] <stevenj> holycow, ok thanks...I did set the other repos up (according to the guide) because I needed extra apps
[08:01] <kev0r> didn't understand it
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[08:01] <Lathiat> kev0r: 'for i in Archive_nr_*.rar; do unrar x $i; done' <-- type that into a terminal
[08:01] <holycow> stevenj, *nod* no worries
[08:01] <Zen> hey there. Im trying to install something and its in .tar.gz format.. ive got as far as running this command: tar -xvvzf <package> but i dont know what to do next.. can anyone help?
[08:01] <kev0r> m'kay
[08:01] <Lathiat> Zen: Hi, what are you trying to install ?
[08:01] <reuben> mattgirv - there's only one resolution listed in the system/preferences/resolution dialog...bet that command would work otherwise
[08:01] <hybrid> Zen
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[08:02] <hybrid> Zen: ok is it source>?
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[08:02] <Lathiat> Zen: You don't want to install lilo by source
[08:02] <Lathiat> Zen: if you really want lilo
[08:02] <Lathiat> Zen: (which you probably don't)
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[08:02] <Hoxzer>   lets talk about sex
[08:02] <shido6> any ati radeon 9800 all in wonder users?
[08:02] <Lathiat> Zen: Please install it with 'Synaptic Package Manager' -> it can be found under "System->administration"
[08:02] <Hoxzer> do you guys have any actual sex life?
[08:02] <Lathiat> Zen: Why do you want lilo ?
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[08:02] <reuben> agh, gotta meeting...will come back later.
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[08:03] <holycow> Lathiat, holy moly dude, your like super tech support today or something
[08:03] <holycow> hehe
[08:03] <Lathiat> holycow: im bored :)
[08:03] <Lathiat> i try
[08:03] <Lathiat> im losing track of everyone im helping
[08:03] <john__> Oh no!!! My psu is melting....
[08:03] <Lathiat> john__: No its not, whats the problem.
[08:03] <john__> joking...
[08:03] <stevenj> holycow, ok thanks cya
[08:04] <Lathiat> canonical shoudl pay me to sit in here and help users all day :)
[08:04] <Echylo> ergh? ^
[08:04] <Echylo> :p
[08:04] <Lathiat> What's really annoying is when people try to help, but unfortunately are wrong
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[08:04] <john__> I have found ati in xorg.conf What shall I change it to?
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[08:04] <mattgirv> Lathiat, lol.
[08:04] <Echylo> they should pay you, for helping somebody with a free OS? Lathiat ?
[08:04] <lsuactiafner> Atealtha : yeh
[08:04] <lsuactiafner> err
[08:04] <Lathiat> john__: 'fglrx'
[08:04] <lsuactiafner> Lathiat  yeh
[08:04] <Lathiat> john__: see http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
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[08:04] <Lathiat> john__: it lists the changes you need to make
[08:04] <Echylo> it's helping or being helped :)
[08:05] <Lathiat> john__: this one is the last one tho,
[08:05] <Lathiat> john__: Then after a reboot it should work.
[08:05] <Lathiat> im pondering writing an application
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[08:05] <Lathiat> to automake common tasks
[08:05] <hybrid> Lathiat: sumtimes they rnt wrong they just do it a different way << :P
[08:05] <john__> Thanks
[08:05] <Lathiat> hybrid: well thats separate
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[08:05] <oriolo> hi
[08:05] <kalidor> fireburner doesn't apply rules to 71.* or 72.* ips and blocks any traffic from them
[08:05] <Lathiat> hybrid: then its an issue of that solution is probably uglier than mine and i'll hate them for it anyway :)
[08:05] <g3mini> hi
[08:05] <GammaRay> Amaranth: does it have a site?
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[08:05] <Lathiat> kalidor: you mean firestarter?
[08:05] <oriolo> i am using ubuntu on ppc
[08:05] <kalidor> err yes
[08:05] <hybrid> Lathiat: my way is more fun
[08:05] <kalidor> :P
[08:06] <john__> reboot
[08:06] <john__> oops
[08:06] <Lathiat> Amaranth: hurry up and fix it :)
[08:06] <hybrid> oriolo: nice me to
[08:06] <Lathiat> john__: system -> logout > reboot -> ok is better :)
[08:06] <oriolo> does anybody know how can i execute a .bin file?
[08:06] <oriolo> thk you
[08:06] <Amaranth> GammaRay: It's the one everyone is using now. :P
[08:06] <Lathiat> oriolo: What is it called
[08:06] <GammaRay> Amaranth: ouu a riddle... :-P
[08:06] <john__> or in terminal -> sudo reboot
[08:06] <Hmmmm> gusy anyone know where i can get amd64 debs for e17?
[08:06] <farruinn> oriolo: you want to execute a binary?
[08:06] <oriolo> Lathiat: is the netbeans installer
[08:06] <Lathiat> oriolo: probably sh <file>
[08:07] <GammaRay> Amaranth: I know of a c one and a python one...
[08:07] <Lathiat> oriolo: (or double click it in file manager and select run program)
[08:07] <Amaranth> Lathiat: Heh, upgrading to this is going to be a bitch. You need to edit /etc/environment, install three new packages (besides the editor), the wipe out all your old changes.
[08:07] <farruinn> oriolo: if it's the ppc installer ./filename.bin should od it
[08:07] <Amaranth> GammaRay: The python one.
[08:07] <Lathiat> Amaranth: pfff, easy :)
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[08:07] <GammaRay> Amaranth: cool so I know who to bug now (-;
[08:07] <Lathiat> Amaranth: your  buggered now :)
[08:07] <Amaranth> GammaRay: Don't bother if it's the old version, I already know.
[08:07] <shido6> ooh thanks
[08:07] <oriolo> Lathiat: it says to me that cannot execute binary file
[08:08] <Amaranth> btw, there isn't one thing in my menu I haven't been able to delete with this version
[08:08] <Lathiat> oriolo: did you run ./file or "sh <file>"
[08:08] <Amaranth> well, except for the Debian menu, python-xdg doesn't support that at all
[08:08] <oriolo> Lathiat: i have tried both
[08:08] <GammaRay> Amaranth: well I was gonna wait for the new release first ofcourse
[08:08] <hybrid> would dpkg do bin
[08:08] <Lathiat> oriolo: try /lib/ld-linux.so.2 ./file
[08:08] <farruinn> oriolo: you're sure the installer is made for ppc?
[08:08] <Lathiat> hybrid: what bin?
[08:08] <Amaranth> What do you guys think of the name Smeg (Simple Menu Editor for GNOME)?
[08:08] <oriolo> farruinn : maybe this is the problem
[08:09] <Lathiat> Amaranth: wooo best name ever :)
[08:09] <hybrid> Lathiat: they .bin he is wanting to execute
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[08:09] <Lathiat> hybrid: no
[08:09] <farruinn> oriolo: where did you download this?
[08:09] <Amaranth> hybrid: sudo sh file.bin
[08:09] <Lathiat> Amaranth: nah its not a shell sript its an executable
[08:09] <oriolo> from netbeans
[08:09] <hybrid> ok
[08:09] <oriolo> netbeans.org
[08:09] <Lathiat> oriolo: did you try what i said?
[08:09] <Amaranth> Lathiat: Most .bin files are shell scripts.
[08:09] <Lathiat> Amaranth: but this one isnt, we already determined that above
[08:09] <Lathiat> Amaranth: read up
[08:10] <Amaranth> oh
[08:10] <Amaranth> chmod a+x file.bin && ./file.bin
[08:10] <Amaranth> err
[08:10] <Amaranth> chmod a+x file.bin && sudo ./file.bin
[08:10] <shido6> ok rebooting
[08:10] <Lathiat> or what i said ages ago which he still seems to have no done :)
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[08:10] <oriolo> Lathiat: i have no lib/ld-linux.so.2
[08:11] <Lathiat> oriolo: bleh, do what amaranth said then
[08:11] <mattgirv> I have a Wastebin icon on my desktop, apparently from installing KDE. How can I remove this icon from the GNOME desktop?
[08:11] <farruinn> oriolo: what did you download, the ide, plugins... ?
[08:11] <Lathiat> Amaranth: does XDG stuff let you specify something on the desktop?
[08:11] <bur[n] er> mattgirv: click it and click "delete" :P
[08:11] <Lathiat> Amaranth: thinking that might be mattgirvs problem :)
[08:11] <holycow> mattgriv config editor from apps / system
[08:11] <Lathiat> bur[n] er: its not that :)
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[08:11] <Amaranth> Lathiat: Possibly, but I'm not going to add that.
[08:11] <holycow> under apps, nautilus, desktop
[08:11] <bur[n] er> Lathiat: if it's from kde, it is
[08:11] <Lathiat> Amaranth: nah i was just more interested if thats what is sticking the icon on mattgirv's desktop
[08:12] <oriolo> Amaranth: it si still not working
[08:12] <mattgirv> bur[n] er, You can't just delete it, (in my dreams
[08:12] <g3mini> anyone have any idea why the install cd would hang while copying files but the live cd works fine on the same system?
[08:12] <Lathiat> oriolo: It helps to define 'not working', you need to explain what the error message is.
[08:12] <Amaranth> oriolo: 'not working' doesn't tell me anything.
[08:12] <oriolo> oriol@dhcppc0:~ $ chmod a+x netbeans-4_0-bin-linux.bin
[08:12] <oriolo> oriol@dhcppc0:~ $ sudo ./netbeans-4_0-bin-linux.bin
[08:12] <oriolo> Password:
[08:12] <oriolo> ./netbeans-4_0-bin-linux.bin: ./netbeans-4_0-bin-linux.bin: cannot execute binary file
[08:12] <mishof> hmmm i await a very important email. i just did "get mail" in thunderbitd. it connected and was download an email from the server. when it ended it beeped. the problem is i dont see any new mails :| any ideas?
[08:12] <Lathiat> g3mini: dirty cd?
[08:12] <Amaranth> oriolo: Ok, it isn't a binary file either...
[08:13] <Lathiat> oriolo: What is yoru cpu?
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[08:13] <lsuactiafner> sh netbeans-4_0-bin-linux.bin
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[08:13] <lsuactiafner> if it doesnt work
[08:13] <g3mini> Lathiat: I've downloaded the iso twice and burned 3 different discs
[08:13] <farruinn> Lathiat: he already said powerpc
[08:13] <Lathiat> farruinn: oh right
[08:13] <lsuactiafner> then you got a 32 bit binary on a 64bit system
[08:13] <Lathiat> oriolo: run file <file>
[08:13] <lsuactiafner> or vice versa
[08:13] <bur[n] er> mishof: junk filter?
[08:13] <oriolo> i am in a powerpc g4
[08:13] <Lathiat> lsuactiafner: and wrong architecure
[08:13] <Lathiat> oriolo: the first file is literally 'file'
[08:13] <lsuactiafner> yeh thats even worse lol
[08:13] <Lathiat> lsuactiafner: running 32bit on 64bit generaly works as there is emulation crap
[08:14] <g3mini> I've also scanned the hard drive for bad sectors and ran three passes of memtest
[08:14] <Lathiat> g3mini: ermm
[08:14] <Lathiat> g3mini: its possible theres a hardware bug somewhere
[08:14] <Lathiat> g3mini: look in the help options
[08:14] <Lathiat> g3mini: (of the install boot)
[08:14] <Lathiat> g3mini: try like nolapic and noacpi and options like that
[08:14] <lsuactiafner> Lathiat : while your busy helping the whole world tell me where to find the link detailing how i can submut a new package to unbuntu?
[08:14] <oriolo> i have downloaded it from the netbeans.org
[08:14] <farruinn> erm, can *.bin files be archives?
[08:14] <Lathiat> oriolo: For the third time
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[08:14] <lsuactiafner> farruinn : *.sex can be also.. but thats rare..
[08:15] <Lathiat> oriolo: please run 'file netbeans-4_0-bin-linux.bin' on your terminal
[08:15] <farruinn> oriolo: also, I doubt that what you have was built for linux on ppc
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[08:15] <Lathiat> oriolo: and paste the output in the channel
[08:15] <Chosen> hello everyone
[08:15] <Lathiat> lsuactiafner: umm
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[08:15] <Lathiat> lsuactiafner: what are you trying to package?
[08:15] <Lathiat> lsuactiafner: you probably want to look at the MOTU stuff on the wiki
[08:15] <hybrid> oriolo: is it open src
[08:15] <oriolo> bash: ./netbeans-4_0-bin-linux.bin: cannot execute binary f ile
[08:15] <farruinn> lsuactiafner: talk to the guys in #ubuntu-motu
[08:15] <Delph> farruinn: less it, and see if it's a dodgy shell script followed by a lump of binary data.
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[08:15] <Lathiat> oriolo: That is not what I told you to do
[08:16] <Chosen> is this the right place to ask a question about 5.04?
[08:16] <Lathiat> oriolo: Please type 'file netbeans-4_0-bin-linux.bin' into your terminal, and paste the output of that
[08:16] <farruinn> Lathiat: geez, lighten up man...
[08:16] <Lathiat> Chosen: yes
[08:16] <oriolo> ok sorry
[08:16] <mishof> bur[n] er, nope its not in the trash or anything :|
[08:16] <hybrid> Chosen: yea
[08:16] <lsuactiafner> Lathiat : a staticly linked mplayer 32bit binary that will play all files like a 32bit system would, but compiled for athlon-4
[08:16] <mishof> bur[n] er, can there be a daemon the got the email first or something ?
[08:16] <oriolo> netbeans-4_0-bin-linux.bin: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.2.5, statically linked, stripped
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[08:16] <bur[n] er> mishof: doubt it
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[08:16] <lsuactiafner> the problem is, the current mplayer package only plays codecs ported to amd64
[08:17] <Lathiat> oriolo: Right, the problem is taht this file is compiled for an X86 (intel/amd) system
[08:17] <zzyber> have someone been able to run some strategy games on linux with cedega/wine/win4lin or something. I have tried empire earth with no luck and now i have downloaded empire earth 2 but havent tried yet.
[08:17] <oriolo> sorry i didnt understand about "file"
[08:17] <g3mini> Lathiat: thanks I'll try the options if they don't work I'm d/l kubuntu to see if it might work better
[08:17] <Lathiat> oriolo: ANd will not run on a powerpc (mac) system
[08:17] <oriolo> :P
[08:17] <Lathiat> oriolo: You will need to find an installer for the powerpc architecure
[08:17] <lsuactiafner> that excludes support for the important wmv codecs..
[08:17] <Lathiat> oriolo: if there is not one, you might be out of luck.
[08:17] <farruinn> oriolo: you can download the source
[08:17] <Lathiat> or that
[08:17] <Chosen> I'm having a problem with my usb hdds, after installing 5.04 on dual boot with XP, connecting any of them will hang the system :/
[08:17] <Lathiat> Chosen: ouch.
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[08:17] <farruinn> oriolo: from the page where you downloaded the .bin file, click on the link "Download" at the bottom
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[08:18] <farruinn> oriolo: it looks like you can get the source there
[08:18] <Chosen> happens in XP, happens in GRUB loader, doesn't happen with my 1394 hdd
[08:18] <Lathiat> Chosen: You could try switching to a console ctrl+alt+f1), then plugging in yoruusb drive, to see if you get some kind of kernel error at the prompt
[08:18] <lsuactiafner> maybe i should strip the binary
[08:18] <Psoulocybe> anyone gotten enemy territory to install in A64?
[08:18] <Lathiat> Chosen: if so write that down and come back and tell me in private what it was
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[08:19] <oriolo> ok thk!!!
[08:19] <oriolo> i am going to try to fix it!
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[08:19] <oriolo> :)
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[08:19] <lsuactiafner> Psoulocybe : run it with linux32 ./file.exe
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[08:19] <farruinn> oriolo: good luck, let us know how it goes
[08:19] <Psoulocybe> i tried
[08:19] <Psoulocybe> i get an error
[08:19] <alexsmit1> Im sure this has been asked a million times, but what packages do I need to get before I can compile ndiswrapper? I got linux-sources-2.6.8.1, doesn't seem to be enough, mentions about Can't find kernel sources in /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-386/build ?
[08:19] <lsuactiafner> ie, prefix the command to run/install with linux32
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[08:19] <Psoulocybe> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=29476
[08:19] <lsuactiafner> alexsmith : there is some link that explains it
[08:20] <Psoulocybe> i still get an error w/ glibc
[08:20] <lsuactiafner> will look quick
[08:20] <Psoulocybe> :D
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[08:20] <alexsmith> Thanks, lsuactiafner.
[08:20] <lsuactiafner> Psoulocybe : yeh glibc seems screwed in ubuntu if you ask me
[08:20] <Psoulocybe> Grrrr.
[08:20] <Psoulocybe> i guess i can apt it back into place
[08:20] <Psoulocybe> gotta slap that bitch around sometimes, you know?
[08:21] <Psoulocybe> weird, cause it's a very very fresh install of ubuntu
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[08:21] <farruinn> anyone on hoary ppc seen this? - sometimes my cursor turns completely black, it goes back to the white gnome pointer when I click on the title bar for a window
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[08:21] <lsuactiafner> [04/25 01:36:16]  <aaron> i followed http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SetupNdiswrapperHowto
[08:21] <alexis_> et
[08:21] <alexsmith> Thanks, lsuactiafner
[08:21] <farruinn> s/cursor/mouse
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[08:22] <tahorg> (anyone's got a workaround for the dependency problem with evolution in breezy ?)
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[08:23] <Lathiat> tahorg: Yes, dont run breezy.
[08:23] <tahorg> Lathiat: ;)
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[08:23] <Lathiat> tahorg: (im serious)
[08:23] <tahorg> Lathiat: I was hoping for a mono update (1.0.6 for beagle)
[08:23] <tahorg> and now, it's borked
[08:23] <Lathiat> tahorg: you can go back to hoary and install evolution (i did), and then dont dist-upgrade :)
[08:23] <Lathiat> tahorg: mono is broken too
[08:24] <Lathiat> tahorg: (completely)
[08:24] <tahorg> well well
[08:24] <kzin> keyboard problem in hoary ppc: whenever i change keyboard configuration from the gnome "keyboard layout" dialog, i get a "error activating xkb configuation" error. used to work find before the big bad apt-get. any ideas?
[08:24] <Lathiat> as i said, don't run breezy. :)
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[08:24] <Lathiat> It's been linux.conf.au last week, and is Ubuntu Downunder conference this week, which means everyone has been very busy.
[08:24] <tahorg> Lathiat: downgrading
[08:24] <Lathiat> and not doing much breezy stuff atm
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[08:24] <Lathiat> tahorg: also remove libmono0 to remove most of th emono stuff, then install something like tomboy and most of it should get pulled back in.
[08:25] <Burgundavia> they are planning breezy right now
[08:25] <Burgundavia> the hacking will start next week
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[08:25] <kzin> i suspect it might have to do with me dist-upgrading my system through unstable haoary...
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[08:26] <farruinn> Lathiat: I don't see the point in discouraging people form using the development release. Open source *relies* on people using and testing development releases...
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[08:27] <hybrid> i second that
[08:27] <tahorg> farruinn: because the developement has'nt really begun
[08:27] <hgoesm> my vlc has no sound wenn i open an avi file? can someone help me
[08:27] <Lathiat> farruinn: Because breezy is in a *very* broken state at the moment
[08:27] <tahorg> (every thing's badly borked for about a week)
[08:27] <holycow> farruinn, i think the general assumption is to try and negate any unfortunate experiences by noobs ... ubuntu and this channel in particular cater to those crossing over from particularly windows world
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[08:28] <Lathiat> farruinn: Everyone is at conferences at the moment and hacking will not begin for another week
[08:28] <hybrid> Lathiat: how will it become *unbroken* without testers
[08:28] <holycow> most linux users trying it out will have a pretty good grasp of whats going on and know the answer anyway
[08:28] <Lathiat> farruinn: so even for me, a fairly experienced user, i am not running breezy because alot of stuf fis horribly broken and will be for at least the next week.
[08:28] <farruinn> ah, I didn't realize that development on breeze hadn't started yet
[08:28] <farruinn> breezy*
[08:28] <tahorg> downgrading successful
[08:28] <Lathiat> it has sortof, just enough to break stuff and not make anything usefull yet :)
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[08:29] <tahorg> I'am soo evo addict
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[08:29] <aquarius> Can I rescue a possibly broken Ubuntu installation (which won't boot because grub is broken) if I on;y have the install CD and not the live CD?#
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[08:30] <root__> hello
[08:30] <tahorg> aquarius: there is a grub on the install cd
[08:30] <aquarius> tahorg: really? how do I get to it?
[08:30] <tahorg> aquarius: use-it to boot the image on the disk
[08:30] <aquarius> ah! I get it :)
[08:30] <aquarius> duh
[08:30] <tahorg> use it
[08:30] <tahorg> !$@
[08:31] <aquarius> I am so thick :)
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[08:32] <Brooklyn_> Hi
[08:32] <root__> is there any php editing program that works with the amd64kubuntu????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????//??????/
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[08:32] <Brooklyn_> I was wondering if Maya works with ubuntiu
[08:32] <hgoesm> my vlc has no sound wenn i open an avi file? can someone help me
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[08:33] <aquarius> tahorg: how do I get to the grub shell on the install CD?
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[08:33] <Lathiat> hgoesm: does it work with totem?
[08:33] <holycow> Brooklyn_, it does
[08:33] <tahorg> aquarius: something like escape
[08:33] <tahorg> aquarius: then c
[08:33] <tahorg> IIRC
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[08:33] <root__> one help me
[08:33] <hgoesm> with totem comes only the sound but no picture
[08:34] <Brooklyn_> is there any install packages for it
[08:34] <hgoesm> i ment no video
[08:34] <holycow> Brooklyn_, no, you convert the rpm with alien with something like alien -c maya.rpm
[08:34] <root__> hgoesm what is extecion of the file
[08:34] <tahorg> root__: vim is great. And to avoid trolls, emacs does the job too.
[08:34] <holycow> then dpkg -i maya.deb when done
[08:34] <holycow> the rest should be without a hitch
[08:35] <Brooklyn_> oh, just like as with debian
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[08:35] <holycow> *nod* yep, well it is debian
[08:35] <root__> where do i get vim
[08:35] <root__> ????????????????????????????????????
[08:35] <Brooklyn_> I just found out about ubuntu 5 minutes ago
[08:35] <Brooklyn_> :)
[08:35] <hgoesm> avi
[08:35] <Gir__> root__, vim.org ?
[08:35] <tahorg> root__: drop that ? key or I kill the girl
[08:36] <Brooklyn_> what makes it better than Debian
[08:36] <root__> what ??? tahorg
[08:36] <hgoesm> aviplay ist to slow on my laptop
[08:36] <ssam> vim should be installed by default
[08:36] <taybin> I'm having trouble getting mysql to work with php.  Is there a php4-mysql package?
[08:36] <root__> hgoesm reinstall totem
[08:36] <holycow> Brooklyn_, ah!
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[08:36] <hgoesm> mom ill try
[08:36] <holycow> Brooklyn_, give it a try, see for your self
[08:37] <tahorg> root__: try applications->accessories->text editor
[08:37] <root__> taybin look for it in kynaptic
[08:37] <Brooklyn_>  I have nothing to base it on though ... I would be new to debian too
[08:37] <Brooklyn_> I was going to install debian because I was told maya wrks well with it
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[08:37] <tahorg> root__: sorry you said _k_ubuntu
[08:37] <tahorg> root__: tried quanta ?
[08:38] <aquarius> tahorg: escape doesn't seem to work on the install CD to get into the grub shell :(
[08:38] <root__> quanta is ok but the debugger don t work with 64 lib
[08:39] <holycow> Brooklyn_, sounds like you do 3d informally then?  ubuntu would be the easiest way to try linux right now imho, but there are things to learn and adjust to.  why the contemplation of linux in the first place?
[08:39] <Lathiat> aquarius: What are you trying to do ?
[08:39] <taybin> I was looking for it in synaptic
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[08:40] <Lathiat> Brooklyn_: if maya works with debian, it will most likely work on ubuntu
[08:40] <stazz> Brooklyn_: the niec thing about ubuntu is that it works out of box.
[08:40] <Brooklyn_> I want to learn something new
[08:40] <aquarius> Lathiat, I have a broken Ubuntu system (the installed grub fails at stage 1.5), so I'm trying to get to the grub command-line by booting from the install CD
[08:40] <Lathiat> aquarius: right, boot with 'rescue'
[08:40] <hgoesm> doesn t work
[08:40] <aquarius> Lathiat: what does that do?
[08:40] <stazz> Brooklyn_: to get all basic desktop functionality up and running, the user doesn't have to do any configuration
[08:40] <Lathiat> aquarius: boots the install cd into rescue mode
[08:40] <taybin> should I add repositories first?
[08:40] <Lathiat> aquarius: once its finished loading you can run 'grub-install' to fix your grub install
[08:40] <aquarius> Lathiat: that's not documented, is it? I looked for that
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[08:41] <Lathiat> aquarius: yeh i couldn't see it either, someone told me :)
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[08:41] <Lathiat> aquarius: grub-install <device> (probably /dev/hda i guess)
[08:41] <aquarius> Lathiat, ahahaha. :)
[08:41] <Lathiat> drops you into a shell
[08:41] <aquarius> Cheers :)
[08:41] <nonicklikenonick> anyone know why fluxbox fonts are so large?
[08:41] <stazz> nonicklikenonick: you have a bad dpi?
[08:41] <Brooklyn_> Besides Debian and now ubuntu I was also told to look at Gentoo
[08:41] <Brooklyn_> IS Gentoo good as well
[08:42] <stazz> Brooklyn_: gentoo is really cool, if your time is free.
[08:42] <aquarius> Lathiat: it says "could not find kernel image rescue". This is a warty install CD.
[08:42] <Psoulocybe> Gento is really cool.... but the learning curve sucks
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[08:42] <nonicklikenonick> stazz: bad dpi?
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[08:42] <Psoulocybe> debian really is about a billion times easier for anyone that has to ask that question
[08:42] <Psoulocybe> about what distro
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[08:42] <Lathiat> aquarius: maybe thats on the live cd?
[08:42] <farruinn> nonicklikenonick: I think if you download the artwiz fonts from the fluxbox website it gets better
[08:42] <Lathiat> aquarius: ohhh, warty
[08:42] <stazz> nonicklikenonick: well, I think you might want to try setting the displaysize in your xorg.conf, but that's just a wild guess
[08:42] <Lathiat> aquarius: i think rescue was added in hoary
[08:42] <aquarius> Lathiat: ah. Bugger.
[08:42] <Lathiat> aquarius: you coudl boot the install cd
[08:42] <Lathiat> aquarius: then go alt+f2
[08:42] <Lathiat> mount your fs
[08:43] <Lathiat> chroot into it
[08:43] <Lathiat> then run grub-install
[08:43] <aquarius> Lathiat: hey, that's not a bad idea.
[08:43] <Lathiat> (you seem to know what your doing, so..)
[08:43] <taybin> oh, I see.  I need to add universe for the interesting stuff.  right?
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[08:43] <nonicklikenonick> farruinn - well, that's kind of what's puzzling me.. i have the artwiz fonts installed, i can see them using xlsfonts and xfontsel and the theme i'm using specifies 'snap', but it's still using a very large sans font
[08:44] <stazz> nonicklikenonick: the sans font might be a fallback font
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[08:44] <jupiterste> Where can I find a good description of what all the top level directories in the filesystem are used for?
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[08:44] <nonicklikenonick> stazz: it appears to be.. what do you mean by display size, resolution?
[08:44] <hgoesm> i reistall totem an its the same
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[08:45] <shido6>  3ddeskd: glXIsDirect failed, no Direct Rendering possible!
[08:45] <simrac> hey guys
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[08:45] <simrac> how can i config my clock?
[08:45] <jupiterste> I want to have folders that are shared to everyone on our network, but they're not personal files, so it's kind of weird to share them from my home directory
[08:45] <stazz> nonicklikenonick: no, the dimensions of display in millimeters.
[08:45] <shido6> how do I turn on hardware acceleration
[08:45] <tahorg> jupiterste: smth like that ? http://www.lesbell.com.au/Home.nsf/0/87cd60bdf18a2a75ca256caf001594b4?OpenDocument
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[08:45] <nonicklikenonick> stazz: i see.. how would i determine that?
[08:45] <smo> jupiterste: http://www.pathname.com/fhs/ covers most of it
[08:46] <simrac> its in a wrong gmt time does somebody know where or how i could config it?
[08:46] <stazz> nonicklikenonick: I can't really remember, you'd have to google. it "xorg.conf Displaysize" for example
[08:46] <nonicklikenonick> stazz: thanks
[08:46] <bur[n] er> does file-roller work with non-free rar for anyone?  I get errors on all .rar files
[08:46] <kev0r> Lathiat: The problem was unrar doesn't make directories...
[08:46] <Lathiat> kev0r: really? interesting
[08:46] <Lathiat> kev0r: i'll remember that :)
[08:46] <stazz> bur[n] er: try commandline
[08:47] <bur[n] er> stazz: i can work that... rar x blah.rar works fine
[08:47] <kev0r> btw, there is no switch to let unrar make dirs...
[08:47] <bur[n] er> but... with file-roller it does not work in hoary
[08:47] <Brooklyn_> I searched the ubuntu forums for maya and couldnt find any successful install
[08:47] <kev0r> bur[n] er: can i kill you?
[08:47] <kev0r> google: file-roller unrar
[08:47] <kev0r> first hit
[08:47] <kev0r> there
[08:47] <bur[n] er> it's fixed in cvs i know...
[08:47] <Brooklyn_> would this work for ubuntu too http://www.highend3d.com/boards/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=linuxforum&Number=189551&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=
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[08:47] <kev0r> tried it, worx
[08:48] <bur[n] er> works in your hoary?
[08:48] <bur[n] er> wtf
[08:48] <kev0r> yes it doezz
[08:48] <Amaranth> Lathiat: Good news: I fixed it. :)
[08:48] <kev0r> Install unrar-nonfree package:
[08:48] <kev0r> $ sudo apt-get install unrar-nonfree
[08:48] <kev0r> Make a symlink for unrar named rar:
[08:48] <kev0r> $ cd /usr/bin/
[08:48] <kev0r> $ sudo ln -s unrar rar
[08:49] <bur[n] er> aww
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[08:51] <Lathiat> Amaranth: sweeet.
[08:51] <Lathiat> Amaranth: gime gimme gimme  :)
[08:51] <Amaranth> Lathiat: Not yet. :P
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[08:51] <Amaranth> I want to see if I can add moving menus around.
[08:52] <Amaranth> I already got moving entries working.
[08:52] <shido6> glXIsDirect ?
[08:52] <shido6> what is glXIsDirect
[08:52] <bur[n] er> kev0r: thanks mate, works well
[08:52] <lsuactiafner> glXIsDirect : hardware rendering i think
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[08:53] <bur[n] er> shido6: glxinfo |grep direct
[08:53] <kev0r> bur[n] er: thank Sam ;)
[08:53] <lsuactiafner> grep -i direct to be safe
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[08:53] <shido6> I need to turn on direct rendering
[08:53] <Akeru> still no one using japanese input in KDE ?
[08:53] <shido6> for my ati radeon 9800
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[08:54] <lsuactiafner> ok i got a statically linked binary that's been compiled with shitloads of hacks ect to make it work and using fakeroot to compile a package wont work for me.. how wouldi go about makeing a .deb archieve/packages what will cp binary /usr/local/bin/ ?
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[08:55] <lsuactiafner> anyone here got experience with summiting/making packages for ubuntu?
[08:55] <Amaranth> lsuactiafner: Kinda.
[08:55] <Amaranth> lsuactiafner: #ubuntu-motu
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[08:56] <Brooklyn_> would this work for ubuntu too http://www.highend3d.com/boards/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=linuxforum&Number=189551&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=
[08:56] <hgoesm> is there somethig like macromedia for firefox
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[08:57] <Brooklyn_> flash for firefox you want
[08:57] <jupiterste> tahorg: I read that article, thanks.  So if I wanted to create a folder that everyone could access, it would be best to put it in /var?
[08:57] <hgoesm> somthig else
[08:58] <hypno> whats the program nautilus runs to do photo importing?
[08:58] <Lathiat> hypno: system->preferences->removable media, its listed in there
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[08:58] <hgoesm> i ment shokwave
[08:58] <dbrouwer> hi all, how do i install fonts in gnome?
[08:59] <holycow> hgoesm, you mean player? there is no shockwave player, only flash
[08:59] <bur[n] er> dbrouwer: nautilus fonts:///  and then drag n' drop them
[08:59] <hypno> ah, hald had broken somehow
[08:59] <dbrouwer> bur[n[er, sweet, thanks
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[09:00] <dbrouwer> he, maybe stupid question (i am new to gnome) but is gnome a bit like mac osx?
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[09:00] <Psoulocybe> ummm... dbrouwer, yeah... and fish are a lot like lions
[09:00] <Psoulocybe> lol
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[09:00] <queuetue> dbrouwer, in that they both involve computers? :)
[09:01] <bur[n] er> they both pop up icosn on the desktop when new media is inserted :)
[09:01] <Psoulocybe> there are some similarities since both have strong roots in unix....  but that's really about it
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[09:01] <Psoulocybe> that has to do with the idea of mounting media
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[09:02] <queuetue> They both cost ...oh, no they don't. :)
[09:02] <dbrouwer> okay okay, never mind. i mean, they compare kde a bit with windows. they say that windowusers will have an easier time going from win to kde than to gnome. my gf just bought an ibook, and from what i've seen of gnome and osx so far, they remind me a bit of one and other
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[09:02] <bur[n] er> dbrouwer: to be honest, kde can become more like OS X than gnome can
[09:02] <dbrouwer> anyways, i used to use kde, glad i decided to switch
[09:02] <Psoulocybe> kde is a lot more OS X like
[09:03] <dbrouwer> why is kde more osx like?
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[09:03] <holycow> Psoulocybe, lol, thats a funny way of putting it, its accurate on the one hand, on the other osx is a lot more similar to linux than it is to say windows ....
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[09:03] <Psoulocybe> it's designed to be pretty before it's designed to be functional
[09:03] <dbrouwer> so you are saying gnome is more functional than osx?
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[09:03] <Psoulocybe> no... not at all actually
[09:04] <holycow> rofl, oh my, we are really burning some bridges here :) hehe
[09:04] <dbrouwer> allright, well anyways till i am buying an apple i am gladly using gnome. it is so much more consistent and easy on the eye than kde
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[09:04] <bur[n] er> yes
[09:05] <bur[n] er> gnome is more functional than os x
[09:05] <bur[n] er> i'll say it :)
[09:05] <Psoulocybe> lol
[09:05] <holycow> i miss some things from kde like konqueror
[09:05] <wdh> does anyone have an idea why remote logins through ftp wont work, while they work fine when i open them from localhost?? i installed proftpd for that..
[09:05] <FlyingSquirrel32> Has anyone heard of software to connect a pocket pc to linux?
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[09:05] <smouche> very simple to make kde "easy on the eye".  But I see what you mean.
[09:05] <bur[n] er> nautilus is getting bettter and better though
[09:05] <dbrouwer> he, i used itunes this weekend on the ibook, but i like rhythmbox way better
[09:05] <bur[n] er> u like rhythmbox better?!?!?!?
[09:05] <holycow> bur[n] er, hehe :) oh i hope you got your asbestos underpants on , thats heresy around here, one amongst a few :)
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[09:05] <Xappe> i'm running ubuntu only on my ibook, and it's better than ever
[09:05] <bur[n] er> that's the one thing I miss about windows/mac
[09:06] <bur[n] er> rhythmbox .9 promises something cool though
[09:06] <FlyingSquirrel32> dbrouwer: I just wish rythmbox let you change metadata
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[09:06] <Psoulocybe> lol...  i'm actually finding nautilus pretty damn nice too
[09:06] <dbrouwer> i know, that is my MAIN thing with rhythmbox, it sucks with the tags, need easytag to change taggs, that is shit
[09:06] <Psoulocybe> i still need to get gdesklets running... never used it before... but looks intriguing
[09:06] <bur[n] er> FlyingSquirrel32: it will with .9
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[09:06] <FlyingSquirrel32> can't wait
[09:06] <flex_> anyone know howto add media so I can get the package dchroot with apt-get, it is not found
[09:07] <FlyingSquirrel32> no pocket pc software?
[09:07] <holycow> i don't like rhythmbox at all ... it's just weird
[09:07] <FlyingSquirrel32> holycow: in what way?
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[09:07] <bur[n] er> holycow: amarok fan?
[09:07] <dbrouwer> oh well. thanks all for the help/insights, need to get going
[09:07] <holycow> yeah amarok makes more sense to me
[09:07] <dbrouwer> bye
[09:08] <bur[n] er> holycow: i agree actually... i like the album covers... but qt dependencies don't do it for me ;)
[09:08] <smouche> I like amaroK, just wish it would let me turn off the eye candy.
[09:08] <bur[n] er> smouche: liek?
[09:08] <smouche> ?
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[09:08] <bur[n] er> smouche: u can turn off the OSD
[09:08] <holycow> FlyingSquirrel32, it has this strange behaviour of something reorganizing my files ... or not recognizing when a new folder is dropped in ... i can't play cd's directly ... etc.  oh and it crashes like a mother whenever i try to play online streams ...
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[09:08] <zero[] > i'm trying to compile WineX/Cedega from cvs.. i've never used cvs before and looking at the instructions on their site has me a bit confused, can somebody help me out?
[09:09] <smouche> osd is not what I'm talking about.  That's useful.  It's the scrolling, flashing stuff I hate.
[09:09] <holycow> i'm not like flaming it, thats just my experience *shrug*
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[09:09] <Lathiat> holycow: if you just reimport a whole directory it will import ones that hav emoved and ignore those that you already have
[09:09] <Lathiat> holycow: it doesnt automatically reindex stuff
[09:09] <holycow> bur[n] er, hehe i try to not use qt apps as well, but sometimes you gotta
[09:09] <holycow> Lathiat, i admit i should spend more time with it *nod*
[09:09] <Lathiat> holycow: as for crashing, doesnj't do it for me, as for music, well, thats what the cd player is for :)
[09:09] <Lathiat> holycow: muine is kinda nice
[09:09] <FlyingSquirrel32> holycow: amarok crashes if I change the playlist it's using, and the random order is always the same,
[09:09] <bur[n] er> holycow: wait for rhythmbox .9 :)
[09:09] <smouche> amaroK is a marvel, I admit.
[09:10] <bur[n] er> it's got good stuff in cvs
[09:10] <FlyingSquirrel32> holycow: I had memorized the order it played them in.
[09:10] <holycow> ehe :) okay points well made, i'll give it another shot
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[09:10] <pchiller> has anyone of you tried wxmusik?
[09:10] <pchiller> not that its in the repositories but anyway..
[09:10] <tahorg> jupiterste: that could be a good plac
[09:10] <tahorg> e
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[09:10] <Echylo> lel
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[09:11] <Fergy> zow
[09:11] <xorg> Is there something I can do about the login window going on the fritz every time I touch the mouse?
[09:12] <Fergy> nou Echylo waar is die discussie?
[09:12] <Echylo> die was hier
[09:12] <Echylo> #ubuntu-nl btw voor nederlands
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[09:14] <Fergy> oeps
[09:14] <smouche> pchiller, wmusik looks good to me - I may try it - http://www.iosart.com/foxytunes/firefox/voteforplayerStats.php?playerVotes=36
[09:14] <Echylo> hier kan het soms redelijk druk zijn though :p
[09:14] <LeeColleton> how do I rename a volume? It's automatically labeled as '257M Removable Media'
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[09:14] <Simon_> hi
[09:14] <Simon_> i ahve a question
[09:14] <Simon_> *have
[09:15] <danko123456> go
[09:15] <Simon_> this needs to be to a member of the ubuntu foundation
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[09:15] <Simon_> i orderd a large amount of cds and i was suposed to be contected by them but never had
[09:15] <danko123456> the foundation, the foundation.
[09:16] <danko123456> how large are we talking?
[09:16] <Simon_> 50
[09:16] <cavediver> Hi. How do I create rar files. I can't install the rar package and when i type rar i get the unrar help mesage. I have unrar-nonfree installed.
[09:16] <Burgundavia> Simon_, they will contact you when they are read to shipo
[09:16] <xorg> Is there something I can do about the login window going  haywire every time move the mouse?
[09:16] <Burgundavia> Simon_, until then, hold tight
[09:16] <danko123456> cavediver: man rar
[09:16] <danko123456> did you try?
[09:16] <Burgundavia> Simon_, as they couldn't start pressing them until April 8th
[09:16] <Simon_> its cuz im not always at home thats the prob
[09:17] <Burgundavia> Simon_, you will get an email
[09:17] <holycow> cavediver, actually just install rar, and then use archiver in apps > accessories
[09:17] <cavediver> danko123456: no manual entry. It seems lika i dont have it installes
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[09:17] <Burgundavia> Simon_, and 50 is not a huge number
[09:17] <Simon_> k
[09:17] <holycow> cavediver, it lets you select type of archive you are creating, really very handy
[09:17] <Burgundavia> Simon_, they shipped 1mil Warty cds
[09:17] <Simon_> and is anyone here a founder here i rly need to talk to one
[09:17] <Simon_> about an important serious matter
[09:17] <cavediver> holycow: i can't install rar package. And I also want to span the archive to multiple files. I don't see such an option
[09:17] <danko123456> cavediver: hm...you installed it?
[09:17] <pchiller> smouche i will try to compile it, have not yet found another way of installing it
[09:17] <danko123456> apt-get install rar...
[09:18] <Burgundavia> Simon_, what do you need to discuss?
[09:18] <cavediver> danko123456: I can't install. errors
[09:18] <holycow> cavediver, you cannot install rar? how come?
[09:18] <danko123456> does apt-get update?
[09:18] <bur[n] er> cavediver: apt-get install unrar-nonfree
[09:18] <Simon_> Burgundavia, may i speak to u in private
[09:18] <Simon_> ?
[09:18] <cavediver> holycow: E: Package rar has no installation candidate
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[09:18] <bur[n] er> cavediver: make sure you have universe/multiverse in your sources
[09:18] <cavediver> bur[n] er: unrar is installeds
[09:18] <cavediver> bur[n] er: i Have those
[09:18] <holycow> cavediver, what bur[n] er said thats all you need
[09:18] <xorg> hello, is there something I can do about the login window going  haywire every time move the mouse?
[09:18] <cavediver> But i have amd64
[09:18] <danko123456> does apt-get update?
[09:19] <bur[n] er> cavediver: then do "sudo ln -s /usr/bin/unrar /usr/bin/rar"
[09:19] <danko123456> no error exit status?
[09:19] <danko123456> :)
[09:19] <bur[n] er> and use file-roller
[09:19] <Simon_> Burgundavia, may i ?
[09:19] <cavediver> bur[n] er: what does that ?
[09:19] <danko123456> Simon_: how long ago did you order?
[09:20] <bur[n] er> file-roller is like winzip
[09:20] <danko123456> which the ln -s
[09:20] <danko123456> ?
[09:20] <Simon_> 1 week and a half about
[09:20] <danko123456> thats a link creation
[09:20] <bur[n] er> or winrar, or izarc, or whatever other compression app is out there
[09:20] <danko123456> same file, referenced by a diff name.
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[09:20] <cavediver> why would i want rar linked to unrar. That's the case now, seems crazy
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[09:21] <bur[n] er> cavediver: got me, but it works ;)
[09:21] <danko123456> well...
[09:21] <cavediver> file roller can't span across multiple volumes.
[09:21] <danko123456> isnt it the same thiung?
[09:21] <bur[n] er> oh
[09:21] <holycow> cavediver, unrar is the app that does rar and unrar... they are the same app
[09:21] <danko123456> can you move the files?
[09:21] <cavediver> holycow: really ?
[09:21] <holycow> *nod*
[09:21] <danko123456> wow a holycow..
[09:21] <cavediver> holycow: but i don't have a create option in the helppage
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[09:21] <danko123456> do you want to use it text UI?
[09:22] <cavediver> danko123456: doesn't matter.
[09:22] <danko123456> and the file roller dont cut it, eh?
[09:22] <holycow> cavediver, *hmmm* checking i may be mixing it up with another app ...
[09:22] <danko123456> does your apt-get update finish?
[09:22] <danko123456> or does it have errors?
[09:22] <cavediver> danko123456: no. I need multiple volumes. I can't see such an option in fileroller.
[09:22] <cavediver> danko123456: no error
[09:23] <danko123456> and yet your installation has dependency issues..hm...
[09:23] <Simon_> mako, are u online ?
[09:23] <cavediver> danko123456: yes. it's strange. Maybe rar is unavailible in amd64 port.
[09:23] <danko123456> Simon_: dude, theyll get there,,dontt worry..
[09:23] <danko123456>  I think so anyhiow...
[09:24] <danko123456> give them at least 6 weeks.
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[09:24] <Simon_> danko123456, thats not the prob its another important subject
[09:24] <danko123456> ok
[09:24] <Simon_> i dont mind that lol
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[09:24] <danko123456> cavediver: thats possible...
[09:25] <danko123456> mine dont work on PPC.
[09:25] <danko123456> I cant get a rar.
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[09:25] <mike__> hi, does anyone have experience installing Oracle on Ubuntu?
[09:25] <danko123456> so it may well be that..
[09:25] <danko123456> although, AMD has more than PPC, I would think.
[09:25] <Gir__> Is there any AMD64-packages for Mono?
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[09:26] <Burgundavia> Gir__, no, mono doesn't work on amd64 currently
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[09:26] <Burgundavia> Gir__, on any distro
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[09:27] <Gir__> ah.. too bad
[09:27] <Burgundavia> indeed
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[09:27] <ja5on> (newbie) this ubuntu is very smart, can anyone tell me how I view my other drives
[09:27] <mike__> Anyone available for help with installing Oracle?
[09:27] <danko123456> ja5on: what drives?
[09:27] <danko123456> see them where?
[09:28] <ja5on> hard drives
[09:28] <danko123456> Try Places, cmoputer
[09:28] <danko123456> computer
[09:28] <danko123456> what do you have there?
[09:28] <reuben> hi, new install of ubuntu hoary; it isn't picking up my video card, so i'm stuck at 60hz, 640x480; tried dkpg reconfigure on xorg, no luck; the resolution list under system/preferences/resolution only has 640x480 but the xorg.conf file has a full list. what next?
[09:28] <ja5on> danko123456:  they not there. one has xp installed on it and the other has suse
[09:29] <danko123456> then only those are mountes.
[09:29] <danko123456> mounted
[09:29] <danko123456> how can he see that?
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[09:30] <ja5on> places only has cd and floppy drives and file system
[09:30] <danko123456> yeah.
[09:30] <queuetue> reuben, does X -configure do any better?
[09:30] <queuetue> reuben, stop gdm first (/etc/init.d/gdm stop)
[09:30] <danko123456> hard disks are at /dev/hda, hdb...
[09:31] <danko123456> sda, sdb...
[09:31] <reuben> ok, will try that and come back in 5...tnx
[09:31] <ja5on> yeah I found them there but I cant veiw them. I think I need to mount them
[09:32] <bur[n] er> ja5on: double click them
[09:32] <ja5on> do I need to edit fstab
[09:32] <danko123456> that would be a good try
[09:32] <danko123456> one has windows?
[09:32] <ja5on> I did bouble click access denied
[09:32] <danko123456> fstab for auto mounting
[09:32] <bur[n] er> odd
[09:32] <bur[n] er> what filesystems?
[09:32] <ja5on> ext3 and ntfs
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[09:33] <danko123456> ill get you the ntfs mount cmmand
[09:33] <danko123456> http://ubuntuguide.org/#mountunmountntfs
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[09:33] <ja5on> cheeres
[09:33] <danko123456> create a directory...
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[09:34] <danko123456> and then mount correct device on it.
[09:34] <reuben> X -configure didn't work... it said "output drivers not found"
[09:34] <danko123456> if your whole second drive is ntfs...
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[09:34] <danko123456> sudo mount /dev/hdb /media/windows/ -t vfat -o umask=000
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[09:34] <ja5on> danko123456: thanks mate. thats what I was looking for
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[09:35] <Simon_> by guys
[09:35] <danko123456> welcome
[09:35] <Simon_> take care all
[09:35] <danko123456> thats for read only..
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[09:35] <danko123456> bye
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[09:35] <Gir__> Burgundavia, Looks like it will included in 'breezy' :)
[09:35] <ja5on> danko123456:  yeah thats all I need
[09:35] <AMIGrAve> is there a directory intended for user boot script like /etc/rc.boot in debian ?
[09:35] <danko123456> try mmounting it now..
[09:36] <ja5on> tis done :-)
[09:36] <danko123456> do you get the idea with which /dev/hd* to mount?
[09:36] <danko123456> awesome
[09:36] <danko123456> k
[09:36] <danko123456> that page is good
[09:36] <reuben> this is weird...if i go thru /var/log/Xorg.log, i see this line...
[09:36] <danko123456> read whats available.
[09:36] <reuben> (II) I810(0): Supported VESA Video Modes:
[09:36] <Burgundavia> Gir__, if they can get it to build on amd64, which I imagine will just take work
[09:36] <reuben> which includes... (II) I810(0): 1024x768@70Hz
[09:36] <reuben> etc. so why's that not available to me?
[09:36] <ja5on> danko123456:  definatly worth a bookmark
[09:36] <danko123456> which is right.
[09:36] <danko123456> yeah..
[09:37] <danko123456> I have it as a link on my localhost
[09:37] <danko123456> thats my home page.
[09:37] <danko123456> loads fastest
[09:37] <danko123456> :)
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[09:37] <Gir__> Burgundavia, yeah.. I guess =/
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[09:37] <ryman> hi guys
[09:37] <Brooklyn_> would a debian install guide work for ubuntu too
[09:37] <ryman> I installed a software  but I dont see it in Applications menu
[09:37] <ryman> how do I run it ?
[09:37] <reuben> hm, what does anyone have for:  Maximum space available for video modes   in /var/log/Xorg.conf
[09:38] <holycow> Brooklyn_, probably
[09:38] <AstralJava> ryman: What's the software called of?
[09:38] <Gir__> ryman, What software?
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[09:38] <Gir__> he..
[09:38] <Brooklyn_> http://www.highend3d.com/boards/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=linuxforum&Number=189551&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=
[09:38] <holycow> Brooklyn_, there are small differences for which you refer to on the ubuntu website
[09:38] <AstralJava> :)
[09:38] <Brooklyn_> would those directions work
[09:38] <Brooklyn_> ahh ok
[09:38] <danko123456> ryman: yeah, which one
[09:39] <holycow> Brooklyn_, ignore that
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[09:39] <danko123456> sometimes gnome-panel killall in terminal will get the app there.
[09:39] <holycow> Brooklyn_, do what i told you originally, copy rpm installer to desktop, alien -c maya.rpm, dpkg -i maya.deb
[09:39] <flex_> looks like its hard to get 32bit working on amd64 hoary and I cant even get dchroot with apt-get, how is it missing?
[09:39] <xealot> Anybody have any experience with a Abit KV-7 motherboard in ubuntu? im thinking about to get it but i need to know if SATA and stuff will work correctly unlike in slackware
[09:39] <nubbe> killall gnome-panel?
[09:39] <holycow> Brooklyn_, the rest should work without a hitch
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[09:40] <AstralJava> Usually it's the case of a  missing or broken .desktop file in the package.
[09:40] <holycow> Brooklyn_, i'm assuming you have 3d accelerated drivers already installed of course
[09:40] <danko123456> nubbe: one of those.
[09:40] <Brooklyn_> ok thanks alot to everyone
[09:40] <AstralJava> ...and/or no menu item.
[09:40] <danko123456> ryman: what?
[09:40] <holycow> Brooklyn_, as in ati or nvidia drivers, if you don't solve that first before installing maya
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[09:41] <Brooklyn_> I  still am deciding which distro to go with
[09:41] <Brooklyn_> I havent installed neither
[09:41] <holycow> you don't haveto go with any distro, try one first see if you like it
[09:41] <Brooklyn_> could you give me a compelling reason to use ubuntu over straight debain
[09:41] <ryman> danko123456|  , AstralJava , Gir__  sorry , the program is azureus
[09:41] <danko123456> well
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[09:41] <Lathiat> Brooklyn_: It has much better desktop support
[09:42] <Lathiat> Brooklyn_: always has a much more up to date gnome
[09:42] <Lathiat> Brooklyn_: very fast boot
[09:42] <AndreH> has anyone tried using kdevelop and the qt-designer? I want to edit a cpp file in the qt-designer, but I get the following error: "there is no plugin for editing c++ code installed"
[09:42] <holycow> what Lathiat as well you can BUY support for ubuntu as well
[09:42] <danko123456> http://ubuntuguide.org/#azureus
[09:42] <AndreH> kdevelop3-plugins is installed
[09:42] <ryman> danko123456|  thanks
[09:42] <danko123456> yeah..
[09:42] <Lathiat> AndreH: i think your supposed to open the /cpp in kdevelop, not qt designer...
[09:42] <danko123456> step 3 onward...
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[09:43] <danko123456> bookmark ubuntuguide.org too ryman
[09:43] <Lathiat> Brooklyn_: for example debian still has gnome 2.8 in unstable
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[09:43] <Lathiat> Brooklyn_: ubuntu has 2.10 in its latest stable release :)
[09:43] <ryman> thanks
[09:43] <AndreH> Lathiat: but there exists a plugin that allows me to edit cpp files in qt designer and I read some tutorials that use this function
[09:43] <danko123456> welcome
[09:43] <Lathiat> AndreH: no idea
[09:43] <Brooklyn_> ahh ok ... it is updated more often
[09:43] <zerokarmaleft> Brooklyn_, 6 month release cycle
[09:43] <danko123456> Brooklyn_: to get a complete picture...ask the debian guys too.
[09:43] <danko123456> if yiou can find them:P
[09:44] <Brooklyn_> what about gentoo, why ubuntu over gentoo
[09:44] <Lathiat> Brooklyn_: its also much more integrated
[09:44] <Lathiat> Brooklyn_: gentoo wastes time compiling everything
[09:44] <Lathiat> Brooklyn_: which isnt really needed
[09:44] <Lathiat> and its install process is not trivial
[09:44] <danko123456> ubuntu is a haven for beginners.
[09:44] <Lathiat> and an ubuntu system is much better maintained as random packages arent always installing random crap everywhere
[09:44] <danko123456> I mean,...stupid phrase.
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[09:45] <danko123456> But, really it is easy.
[09:45] <Lathiat> (debian has the same advantage over gantoo there)
[09:45] <Lathiat> anyway im off to bed.
[09:45] <danko123456> good night
[09:45] <Lathiat> use ubuntu! (tm) <bed>
[09:45] <Delph> Lathiat: which removes choice. Which is the key advantage of gentoo.
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[09:45] <Lathiat> Delph: it by no means removes choice
[09:45] <Delph> thou shalt use GNOME, and all that =:/
[09:45] <Lathiat> Delph: tell me how it does that
[09:45] <danko123456> hah
[09:45] <Lathiat> Delph: you can easily install any other desktop
[09:45] <danko123456> I dont have to use gnome
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[09:45] <danko123456> its just good
[09:45] <Lathiat> Delph: and kde is even supported well with the kubuntu project
[09:46] <Lathiat> Delph: and you an just as easilyinstall xfce4
[09:46] <danko123456> yeah,..
[09:46] <Lathiat> or fluxbox
[09:46] <Delph> Lathiat: and I can use GTK apps without having the entire of GNOME installed on my hard disk?
[09:46] <Lathiat> or whatever
[09:46] <Sunny> Has anyone know where i can get KDE 3.4 package for Ubuntu?
[09:46] <Lathiat> Delph: Yes.
[09:46] <danko123456> any other too, you can use afterstep if you want
[09:46] <Delph> Lathiat: you sure?
[09:46] <Lathiat> Delph: positive.
[09:46] <crimsun> Sunny: for Hoary, in main
[09:46] <reuben> aha! fixed my resolution problem. i had to put the following lines in the Monitor section of xorg.conf:         HorizSync 31.5 - 150.0
[09:46] <reuben>         VertRefresh 40-75
[09:46] <danko123456> Sunny: synaptic>?
[09:46] <Delph> you sure there's not a depency on GNOME for lots of gtk apps?
[09:46] <reuben> later
[09:46] <Delph> as there's only one version of the package there?
[09:46] <Sunny> danko: yes.
[09:46] <Lathiat> Delph: various apps pull in various bits and pieces of the gnome stack
[09:46] <Delph> which is compiled against all the GNOME magic?
[09:46] <danko123456> congrats...reuben
[09:46] <holycow> Brooklyn_, the easiest way to answer that is to just try gentoo, and see, that particular example you will know the answer to in about 30 seconds
[09:46] <Delph> Lathiat: exactly. When they don't need to.
[09:46] <Lathiat> Delph: you'd pull in just as much with gentoo
[09:46] <Sunny> hmm.
[09:47] <Brooklyn_> :)
[09:47] <osh> anyone know a good read about ubuntu and wireless? don't see anything good on their site. It stops working when I add WEP. :-/
[09:47] <Lathiat> Delph: or any other distro
[09:47] <Delph> Lathiat: no i wouldn't. I'd pull in the gtk libraries and no parts of GNOME the desktop.
[09:47] <danko123456> Sunny: is it in your synaptic?
[09:47] <holycow> Brooklyn_, and just try the distros your self, asking for opinion sometimes just leads to more confusion, kinda like explaining to people how to ride a bike, sometimes you just gotta do it
[09:47] <Sunny> oh, also. does Ubuntu auto update itself?
[09:47] <Lathiat> Delph: Wrong.
[09:47] <Delph> Lathiat: right.
[09:47] <Lathiat> Delph: depends how you define gnome desktop
[09:47] <Sunny> danko: not the last time i checked?
[09:47] <danko123456> no, it does not, Sunny
[09:47] <Sunny> arse.
[09:47] <osh> Sunny: there is a "update" tool availible though.
[09:47] <Delph> Lathiat: the gnome panel, background processes, font rendering, HID layers and so on.
[09:47] <Sunny> Oooo.
[09:47] <Sunny> Osh: Where could I aquire it?
[09:47] <Psoulocybe> it can very easily sunny...
[09:48] <danko123456> Sunny: what do you want to get done?
[09:48] <Lathiat> Delph: its good to have gconf, g-s-d
[09:48] <Lathiat> Delph: gnoe panel is not needed
[09:48] <Psoulocybe> i believe ubuntuguide.org has a walkthrough
[09:48] <Lathiat> Delph: unless you install a panel applet
[09:48] <Brooklyn_> thanks everyone
[09:48] <Brooklyn_> later
[09:48] <Delph> g-s-d ?
[09:48] <Lathiat> Delph: i dunno what font renderin gyour talkign about it
[09:48] <Lathiat> Delph: (gnome-settings-daemon)
[09:48] <danko123456> bbye
[09:48] <osh> Sunny: I found it next to synaptic in the gnome menu.
[09:48] <Lathiat> its not needed, but makes gtk apps a little nicer
[09:48] <Delph> Lathiat: I don't need either; it's called vim and a text file.
[09:48] <Sunny> Osh: what version Ubuntu you running?
[09:48] <Lathiat> Delph: That wasn't your point
[09:48] <Delph> Lathiat: the original point still stands.
[09:48] <Lathiat> Delph: If your going to be a troll about this you can go drop yourself off a cliff and do us all a favour, bye.
[09:49] <osh> Sunny: currently kubuntu-live. still trying to get my wireless card to accept encryption...
[09:49] <danko123456> he is being a troll
[09:49] <danko123456> :))
[09:49] <Sunny> ahh.
[09:49] <danko123456> C:)
[09:49] <Delph> Lathiat: right; whatever. *goes to find the package dependencies that demonstrate this*
[09:49] <Sunny> Im running 4.0 something.
[09:49] <Sunny> ubuntu
[09:49] <osh> Sunny: hoary?
[09:49] <Lathiat> Delph: don't bother im going to bed, you go play with yourself in a corner or something :)
[09:49] <holycow> anyone here have a ubuntu host > vmware > ubuntu guest install setup happening?
[09:49] <danko123456> 4.11 is warty
[09:49] <Sunny> Yes
[09:50] <danko123456> 5.04 is hoary
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[09:50] <Sunny> I'd like 5.04
[09:50] <Lathiat> danko123456: 4.10 wasnt it?
=== danko123456 nods, nods
[09:50] <crimsun> Lathiat: yes
[09:50] <Sunny> I'm waiting for my 40 CD's :)
[09:50] <danko123456> rught
[09:50] <danko123456> i dont know why 11...
[09:50] <Lathiat> holycow: Yep
[09:50] <Sunny> 4.10 < -- mine :)
[09:50] <danko123456> what are you gonna do with 40?
[09:50] <Sunny> Dunno.
[09:50] <Sunny> Already got 30 4.10
[09:50] <Lathiat> danko123456: frisbees! :)
[09:50] <danko123456> haha
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[09:50] <danko123456> awesome
[09:50] <Sunny> 40 5.04 will be nice :)
[09:50] <danko123456> good use
[09:50] <holycow> Lathiat, did you have any trouble with xorg after installing vmware tools?
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[09:51] <daba> DaBa
[09:51] <Lathiat> holycow: never installed vmware tools
[09:51] <osh> Sunny: Have a look at the ubuntu site. It'll tell you how to update. Just change a few lines in synaptic and press update. It should work as a charm.
[09:51] <Psoulocybe> i think i'm getting 10 of each version of hoary
[09:51] <flex_> is there a ubuntu amd64 room?
[09:51] <Lathiat> holycow: its not really needed on linux
[09:51] <Sunny> osh: thanks mate :)
[09:51] <Psoulocybe> god flex, i wish there was
[09:51] <Lathiat> holycow: the vmware video driver is packed in xorg
[09:51] <Psoulocybe> i'd be there
[09:51] <holycow> Lathiat, oh really?
[09:51] <Lathiat> holycow: yeh
[09:51] <holycow> frick
[09:51] <holycow> heh
[09:51] <Lathiat> holycow: should even be automatically detected on install if its hoary
[09:51] <Psoulocybe> i'm a big fan of getting people to try the live CD... i had 10 warty cds and actually got 4 people to go w/ ubuntu from it
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[09:51] <daba> Sunny: how fast is yor internet?
[09:52] <Lathiat> (i had to get that fixed during hoary dev process, but it should be fine with anything near the end)
[09:52] <Sunny> daba: 2mbps
[09:52] <daba> thats good.
[09:52] <mishof> Once i restart my samba server, i cant access the network for a few minutes (then i think it start working) - is it normal ?
[09:52] <Lathiat> Psoulocybe: sweet. :)
[09:52] <Sunny> wireless :)
[09:52] <Sunny> :P
[09:52] <holycow> i tried vmware tools as it wouldn't resize resolution properly ... okay another reinstall, thanks for the info
[09:52] <osh> Sunny: Don't mention it. Good luck.
[09:52] <daba> You should apt-get upgrade.
[09:52] <shido6> sweet
[09:52] <shido6> I got it working
[09:52] <daba> dist upgrade...
[09:52] <shido6> thanks
[09:52] <Psoulocybe> flex_  have you found any good resources for ubuntu A64?
[09:52] <shido6> people
[09:52] <daba> after changing sources...
[09:52] <Lathiat> holycow:  make sure its using the vmware driver in xorg.conf
[09:52] <shido6> 3ddeskstop works 686-smp
[09:52] <daba> youll get the 3.4 kde, porbably...
[09:52] <Lathiat> holycow: also what problem are you having at the moment?
[09:52] <daba> I think mine is...
[09:52] <mishof> ahhh this is going way too fast... anyone knows about samba ?
[09:52] <shido6> using x-chat tho it seems my keyboard buffer is toast...
[09:52] <daba> lots of the related packages have 3.4 in the version number.
[09:52] <Lathiat> (post vmware tools install)
[09:53] <Lathiat> mishof: Ummm, that could happen in theory ig uess
[09:53] <shido6> I type faster than it can repeat the keys on the creen
[09:53] <shido6> screen
[09:53] <Lathiat> mishof: you don't restart samba very often right? :)
[09:53] <holycow> Lathiat, xorg crashes with: cannot open mouse
[09:53] <Lathiat> holycow: oh, fix your xorg config :)
[09:53] <daba> Sunny: upgrade to hoary from apt.
[09:53] <Lathiat> holycow: shoudl be pointing at /dev/input/mice
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[09:53] <Lathiat> or just reinstall :)
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[09:53] <daba> Just clean out your sources.lst.
[09:53] <mishof> Lathiat, hmm no, but i just did and now i cant acess anything :( i think it might work in a few minutes but im not sure
[09:53] <Lathiat> holycow: but
[09:53] <daba> Just leave the ubuntu ones.
[09:53] <Lathiat> holycow: dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[09:53] <daba> remove debian, and sourceforge iif you ahve it,.
[09:53] <Lathiat> holycow: should regen xorg config from defaults
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[09:53] <Lathiat> holycow: might have to run the md5sum command listed at the time of /etc/X11/xorg.conf for that to work
[09:54] <holycow> Lathiat, lol thats why i'm asking that is the standard xorg config, tried /dev/psaux just incase ... still crash. tried disabling mouse even
[09:54] <Sunny> switching to Ubuntu :)
[09:54] <Sunny> what's this irc thing again?
[09:54] <daba> Lathiat: werent you going to bed?
[09:54] <Sunny> addy
[09:54] <holycow> oh okay thats awesome didn't know the regen thingy
[09:54] <Lathiat> daba: yeh i was
[09:54] <Lathiat> these people who need helps are distracting me :)
[09:54] <shido6> Sunnny I  just switched...  :)
[09:54] <Sunny> :(
[09:54] <Lathiat> i'm trying to leave honest :)
[09:54] <shido6> whats up with my keyboard buffffeeer now???
[09:54] <daba> well hand over all your helps...
[09:54] <daba> and that...
[09:54] <holycow> lol Lathiat
[09:54] <daba> :p
[09:54] <holycow> thanks for the help dude
[09:54] <Lathiat> holycow: nps
[09:54] <Lathiat> im out
[09:55] <Lathiat> 4am is not good for the soul
[09:55] <Lathiat> i have work to finish tomorrow
[09:55] <daba> not at all
[09:55] <Lathiat> and a couple projects to hack on
[09:55] <holycow> later :)
[09:55] <daba> your soul is taking a hit
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[09:55] <Lathiat> yeh its bad i know
[09:55] <Psoulocybe> 4am is good for the Psoul though
[09:55] <Psoulocybe> :D
[09:55] <Lathiat> i take one for the team.
[09:55] <Lathiat> i just wish i could have made it to ubuntu down under
[09:55] <Lathiat> so much stuff i want to input on :\
[09:55] <Lathiat> sigh
[09:55] <Lathiat> anyway
[09:56] <Lathiat> off!
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[09:56] <daba> heh, psoul...
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[09:57] <mburns> anyone ever try to install Bastille on Ubuntu?
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[09:58] <flex_> amd64 ubuntu doesnt come with ia32 libs??
[09:58] <Psoulocybe> apt-get install ia32
[09:58] <Lathiat> flex_: nope, but make sure you isntall it from the package and not soe random source or soetign :)
[09:58] <flex_> what about dchroot
[09:58] <flex_> apt-get cant find it
[09:59] <cn|tux> you must add resproriites
[09:59] <flex_> yeah like media, how do you do that?
[09:59] <flex_> howto or something?
[09:59] <Lathiat> flex_: need to add the universe repository
[09:59] <mjr> ia32 libs are present, but not usable by default; dchroot is in universe
[09:59] <Lathiat> flex_: hoary?
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[09:59] <Lathiat> flex_: go into respostiroeies -> add, eslect universe
[09:59] <daba> flex_: ubuntuguide.org
[09:59] <flex_> yes hoary
[09:59] <mjr> (by default I mean that the programs must be linked against them spesifically)
[09:59] <Lathiat> flex_: (in synaptic)
[09:59] <Marble2> how can I view the ram usage of a specific proces without using top
[09:59] <daba> there is a howto for adding those repos
[10:00] <flex_> www.ubuntuguide.org will tell me what synaptic is?
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[10:00] <Marble2> flex_: it's the GUI for apt-get
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[10:00] <flex_> oh
[10:00] <Simon_> hi all im back
[10:00] <daba> ubuntuguide.org
[10:01] <daba> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
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[10:01] <bluefoxicy> why the FUCK is there a parakeet perching on an erection in my buffer?
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[10:01] <LiquidAir> hey
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[10:01] <sewoyl> hi!!
[10:01] <LiquidAir> hey
[10:02] <bluefoxicy> we need halfops and chains of trust.
[10:02] <Beuno> hey, Ive been going crazy trying to share internet to my noetwork from an ubuntu hoary "server", everything else works great, just cant seem to get around that
[10:02] <Beuno> I got shorewall
[10:02] <Beuno> configures and running
[10:02] <Beuno> configured
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[10:03] <Beuno> got ip_forwarding enabled
[10:03] <Beuno> DHCP os working great
[10:03] <Beuno> but no internet
[10:03] <Beuno> :(
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[10:03] <Beuno> any ideas?
[10:03] <Delph> Lathiat: ok, concrete example: gtoaster depends on libgnome32, liborbit0, libgnomesupport, etc etc. grab the source; configure it with --without-gnome and it's running happily.
[10:04] <daba> is Lathiat still here?
[10:04] <sewoyl> how do I add multiverse to my apt repositories?
[10:04] <digitalfox> bluefoxicy, hi
[10:04] <daba> sewoyl: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[10:04] <Lathiat> Delph: so send a patch for gtoaster to build a second non-gnome package. thats a case of broken packaging.
[10:04] <sewoyl> daba, thanks! :)
[10:04] <Delph> Lathiat: yes. They're *all* broken.
[10:04] <Beuno> can anyone point me at least into some direction?
[10:04] <Beuno> worn off google already
[10:04] <Lathiat> at the end of the day
[10:04] <Lathiat> it really doesnt matter
[10:04] <Lathiat> or hurt
[10:04] <bluefoxicy> urban:  Hey
[10:05] <Lathiat> if you want to be pedantic
[10:05] <Lathiat> go run gentoo
[10:05] <Delph> upwards of 60-80% of 'GNOME' apps have dependencies you don't need.
[10:05] <Simon_> hi all
[10:05] <Lathiat> its made for you
[10:05] <Lathiat> Delph: they are perfectly needed and make the applications much more usefull if you run gnome
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[10:05] <Delph> Lathiat: exactly. Just pointing out to you that you're spouting a bit by saying that it's needed.
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[10:05] <Delph> Lathiat: s/need/require/
[10:05] <synd> im having some sound problems
[10:05] <synd> sometimes it works, sometimes it donw
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[10:05] <synd> dont*
[10:05] <Lathiat> Delph: they are required for a ncie general desktop
[10:05] <bluefoxicy> urban:  Check out bug 10109
[10:05] <Lathiat> Delph: unless you wan tot be pedantic
[10:06] <Lathiat> Delph: having those gnome libraries installed really doesn't hurt
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[10:06] <sewoyl> daba, oh, I'm still in warty
[10:06] <Lathiat> Delph: in most cases
[10:06] <Lathiat> Delph: in fact i dont know of any case its bad
[10:06] <Delph> Lathiat: it's worse with KDE, because you actually have to have them all running in the background.
[10:06] <sewoyl> daba, dont have those lines in that file
[10:06] <Lathiat> (other than being pedantic)
[10:06] <synd> i switched to ALSA a few days ago and not sure if i got everything right
[10:06] <hksdu> Anyeone here installed the proprietory nVidia driver for Ubuntu? Any 2D performance difference from the X.Org one?
[10:06] <daba> well, more the reason to make it as it says there.
[10:06] <daba> sewoyl:
[10:06] <digitalfox> bluefoxicy, link me to it, I'm lazy
[10:07] <Marble2> how can I view the ram usage of a specific proces without using top?
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[10:07] <bean> hi guys
[10:08] <bean> i got a problem
[10:08] <shido6> i think its because I didnt set the memory size when setting up the stupid driver
[10:08] <bean>  iam new here and got this message
[10:08] <bean>  ymessenger_1.0.4_1_i386.deb
[10:08] <bean> root@grovestand:/home/bean # dpkg -i ymessenger_1.0.4_1_i386.deb
[10:08] <bean> dpkg: error processing ymessenger_1.0.4_1_i386.deb (--install):
[10:08] <bean>  cannot access archive: No such file or directory
[10:08] <Beuno> hey, Ive been going crazy trying to share internet to my network from an ubuntu hoary "server", everything else works great, just cant seem to get around that. I installed shorewall and did the IPTABLES MASQ, any ideas?
[10:08] <synd> bean: dont flood
[10:08] <synd> bean: use #flood
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[10:08] <daba> sewoyl: for warty...ad this line, deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary multiverse deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary multiverse
[10:09] <daba> re[place hoary with warty
[10:09] <sewoyl> daba, ok i found it too :) thanks for your time i appreciate it
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[10:09] <daba> welcome
[10:09] <synd> how do i kill ALSA?
[10:09] <xealot> Anybody have any experience with a Abit KV-7 motherboard in ubuntu? im thinking about to get it but i need to know if SATA and stuff will work correctly unlike in slackware
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[10:09] <Simon_> rmmod ur alsa modules
[10:09] <shido6>  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:09] <shido6> again
[10:09] <synd> Simon_: ?
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[10:10] <Simon_> synd paste me in a conv ur lsmod
[10:10] <Marble2> how do I disable a service that is loading at startup atm?
[10:10] <shido6> Enter the amount of memory (in kB) to be used by your video card.
[10:10] <shido6> i have 128 MB so how many kB is that?
[10:10] <Psoulocybe> xealot, people are still buying socket A stuff?
[10:10] <Psoulocybe> I thought you had to buy socket939 these days ;)
[10:11] <xealot> Psoulocybe: they are. Allthough i would still need an answer
[10:11] <crimsun> Marble2: man update-rc.d
[10:11] <pixil9> Marble2, find it in /etc/init.d (ie cron) type: update-rc.d -f cron remove
[10:11] <Psoulocybe> well, i don't
[10:11] <pixil9> shido: 128000
[10:11] <Psoulocybe> i can tell you ubuntu had no problem w/ my SATA install
[10:11] <Psoulocybe> it has more to do w/ how the motherboard emulates IDE before SATA drivers are installed
[10:12] <Marble2> thanks pixil9
[10:12] <LinuxJones> shido6, 128 MB = 131072
[10:13] <Marble2> now, does anyone know how I can view the ram usage of a specific proces without using top?
[10:13] <shido6> thanks
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[10:13] <shido6> rebooting
[10:13] <lsuactiafner> xealot : it wont work, also in slackware use the sata.i kernel to install ect
[10:13] <lyy> how do i check to see if qt is installed on my system?
[10:13] <lsuactiafner> bleh
[10:13] <hksdu> anyone here is using nVidia proprietory driver? any 2D performance notice? between I am using X.Org nVidia driver and the 2D performance is not so great as I am using GF2 MX400 64MB
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[10:14] <sewoyl> i thought I'd found dvdcss on there
[10:14] <lyy> i did a dpkg -l | grep qt* and it wasn't helpful.
[10:14] <LinuxJones> lyy, what are you trying to run ?
[10:14] <Marble2> lyy: dpkg -S qt
[10:14] <lyy> LinuxJones: i'm trying to run a qt app i wrote.
[10:14] <holycow> hksdu, big difference every time i install nvidia drivers...
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[10:14] <holycow> vesa is livable, but imho there is no comparison between the two
[10:14] <LinuxJones> lyy, if your running KDE you probably already have it installed
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[10:15] <kkathman> greetings all :)
[10:15] <lyy> LinuxJones: good point. how do i detect that i got kde?
[10:15] <hksdu> holycow, so you mean the proprietory one is much faster?
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[10:15] <lyy> what's the kde package called?
[10:15] <LinuxJones> lyy, ummm
[10:15] <holycow> hksdu, every time i've installed them, yes huge difference
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[10:15] <LinuxJones> lyy, did you install ubuntu or kubuntu ?
[10:15] <lyy> ubuntu
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[10:16] <hksdu> holycow, can I install from universe/munltiverse? or I have to install by downloading the driver from nvidia site?
[10:16] <cyklus> is there any way to make my laptop suspend to disk when it runs low on batteries?
[10:16] <LinuxJones> lyy, you can install kde by typing sudo apt-get update && apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[10:16] <lyy> i see
[10:17] <LinuxJones> lyy, one your have downloaded and installed everything ok. Just logout of Gnome and select KDE under session
[10:17] <lyy> is there a package i can install without installing the whole kde desktop?
[10:17] <holycow> hksdu, both, but it is recommended to install from universe because it is easy to uninstall them as well using apt/dpkg/whatever
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[10:17] <holycow> hksdu, the instructions are on the ubuntu website, search for binary drivers nvidia or some such
[10:17] <Sunneh> finally
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[10:17] <Sunneh> bloody mIRC
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[10:18] <hksdu> holycow, when I search in there, I don't see proprietory driver though...okay...thank you.
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[10:18] <LinuxJones> lyy, I guess it depends on what your app is doing, but if your developing KDE apps it's best to do it from within the KDE Desktop
[10:18] <zhukov_> hello!
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[10:18] <mburns> Bastille Linux fails on Ubuntu
[10:18] <holycow> hksdu, its there, i just don't have the link onhand
[10:18] <zhukov_> Is it possible to install windows after ubuntu, and still be able to boot both??
[10:18] <Lare2> Q? any good app for dealing with "par2" files
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[10:19] <Nalioth> lyy you can install any app you like, but if apt thinks you need some other kde stuff, it'll come too
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[10:19] <thisistheplace> Is there a way to change the default dhcp agent that Ubuntu uses?
[10:19] <Nalioth> zhukov_, i believe that windoze eats MBRs
[10:19] <mburns> it does
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[10:19] <hksdu> holycow, thank you very much..let me try
[10:19] <zhukov_> right...but is it possible to solve that?
[10:19] <Sunny> anyone know how to change the bootloader that comes with Ubuntu 4.10 to make Windows first choice?
[10:20] <LinuxJones> thisistheplace, your networking is not working ?
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[10:20] <zhukov_> Sunny, apt-get install grubconf and run it then as sudo. You can change that there
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[10:20] <Sunny> Grub  - that's it.
[10:20] <thisistheplace> No, it works fine; I just want to use a DHCP client that offers more flexibility than dhclient.
[10:20] <Sunny> oh crap
[10:20] <KBJ> if you want to let windows' own bootloader take over and it's a windows 9x, you can boot dos and run "fdisk /mbr"
[10:20] <Sunny> screen just went black
[10:21] <Sunny> KBJ: yeah, know that thanks.
[10:21] <Sunny> :O
[10:21] <shido6> hey thanks again
[10:21] <KBJ> :)
[10:21] <ttrout> Sunny, you can also edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[10:21] <pixil9> blah i need a pirated copy of opera
[10:21] <Sunny> ahh
[10:21] <shido6> I got my video memory workin
[10:21] <crimsun> Simon_: an important email?
[10:21] <Sunny> The easy wat.
[10:21] <Sunny> *way
[10:21] <Sunny> Thanks.
[10:21] <shido6> I set it to 128000
[10:21] <zhukov_> Anyone knows how install windows after ubuntu???
[10:21] <lsuactiafner> Sunny : if you have lilo installed then edit /etc/lilo.conf
[10:21] <Simon_> crimsun, yes an important email
[10:21] <Sunny> Grub here :)
[10:21] <Sunny> :P
[10:21] <bur[n] er> pixil9: pay for it
[10:21] <shido6> and it works GREAT!
[10:21] <lsuactiafner> add the line Default = whatever
[10:21] <crimsun> Simon_: waiting for a signature?
[10:21] <shido6> Im lovin this distro
[10:22] <thisistheplace> More importantly, I would like to keep '/etc/resolv.conf' immutable, because there are several important name servers which I must use; however, the problem is that dhclient freezes on boot when /etc/resolv.conf is immutable, which is obvious. I just want to use some client that will not update /etc/resolv.conf
[10:22] <Simon_> crimsun,  signature ????
[10:22] <pixil9> You can fix the MBR in recovery console too
[10:22] <lsuactiafner> where whatever is label = Windows
[10:22] <lsuactiafner> or something
[10:22] <lsuactiafner> so in the end you wil get Default = Windows
[10:22] <pixil9> just type ficmbr
[10:22] <crimsun> Simon_: n/m
[10:22] <pixil9> fixmbr
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[10:22] <Simon_> crimsun, can i msg u ?
[10:22] <lsuactiafner> and then run /sbin/lilo
[10:22] <lsuactiafner> or you will be fscked
[10:22] <shido6> fixmbr ( break out the windows xp cd )
[10:22] <crimsun> Simon_: if necessary, yes
[10:22] <zhukov_> thisistheplace, sudo chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf
[10:22] <lsuactiafner> and /sbin/lilo -M /dev/disk with lilo.conf on it
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[10:23] <zhukov_> pixil9, but how can i start the console??
[10:23] <pussfeller> you could append   cat resolve.conf_1 >> resolv.conf in a startup script :)
[10:23] <pixil9> zhukov_, like he said.. cd
[10:23] <zhukov_> how ok
[10:23] <pixil9> or there's a way to enable it in bootup options through windows
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[10:23] <zhukov_> pixil9, liveCD right?
[10:23] <Simon_> crimsun, it is lol orelse ill be flooding
[10:23] <LinuxJones> thisistheplace, why not just put then in /etc/hosts
[10:23] <pixil9> huh
[10:23] <lsuactiafner>  /sbin/lilo -M /dev/disk writes a new MBR
[10:23] <pixil9> the xp install cd
[10:23] <thisistheplace> zhukov_: I did that; it is just that dhclient will not let the system boot any further when it is immutable, for it attempts to overwrite the file, causing the application to wait and prompt the user.
[10:23] <LinuxJones> thisistheplace, err them
[10:24] <lsuactiafner> zhukov_ : try typing reset in the console to reset the console
[10:24] <Lare2> Q? any good app for dealing with "par2" files
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[10:24] <zhukov_> thisistheplace, ubuntuguide.org -> disable the network start and start it manually ( sudo ifup eth1 for example)
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[10:24] <Sunny> I dunno if i asked this earlier, but in the KDE 3.2 environment, how would I update to KDE 3.4 (if there is a way?)
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[10:24] <PHPWannabe> Does anyone know how to make thunderbird your default email program?
[10:24] <lsuactiafner> or type w in a working console, get the tty thats broken, ps aux | grep broken_tty and kill -HUP pid_of_broken_tty
[10:24] <pixil9> Just use dhclient.con
[10:24] <pixil9> f
[10:24] <thisistheplace> I would not have to do any of this, were Ubuntu to support alternative dhcp agents.
[10:24] <pixil9> and ask for what you want.
[10:24] <pixil9> man dhclient.conf
[10:25] <pixil9> request subnet-mask, broadcast-address, time-offset, routers,
[10:25] <pixil9>                 domain-name, domain-name-servers, host-name;
[10:25] <thisistheplace> From what I saw, dhclient.conf would not control whether it writes to /etc/resolv.conf
[10:25] <zhukov_> pixil9, r  sure i can configure that in the xp install cd? Before the installation?
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[10:25] <pussfeller> the conf seems to indicate that it does
[10:25] <pixil9> Are you trying to clear the mbr?
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[10:25] <Nalioth> Lare2, hmmm would that be "par2"?
[10:25] <lyy> anyone have kde on their ubuntu system?
[10:25] <pixil9> I don't know if you can get into the recovery console without an installation on ur HD
[10:25] <Sunny> me
[10:26] <lyy> anyone have kde on their ubuntu system? if so, can you do a 'locate libqt-mt.so3' and then tell me what application owns it?
[10:26] <nonicklikenonick> so.. i'm using a fluxbox style that explicitly asks for "*.font: snap", but fluxbox isn't using it.. what gives?
[10:26] <cyklus> is there any way to make my laptop suspend to disk when it runs low on batteries?
[10:26] <lsuactiafner> pixil9 : boot a live cd
[10:26] <pixil9> My laptop does that
[10:27] <pixil9> well my p166 does lol
[10:27] <Sunny> Did any of you find HD partitioning hard in the provided Ubuntu setup?
[10:27] <lyy> Sunny: did you say you have kde?
[10:27] <Sunny> I had to use a Knoppix live cd to partition
[10:27] <lsuactiafner> p166 > all
[10:27] <zhukov_> pixil9, i do want to install, and i can acess the winxp console after installation. So what you'r saying is that it is possible
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[10:27] <Sunny> Iyy, yes but I can't do anything atm, sorry :(
[10:27] <lsuactiafner> am ircing from one atm..
[10:27] <lyy> ok
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[10:28] <pixil9> I think if you just install windows it overwrites the mbr automatically.
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[10:28] <Xappe> yes it does
[10:28] <zhukov_> yes it does
[10:28] <nonicklikenonick> yep
[10:28] <zhukov_> but after that
[10:28] <pixil9> ...
[10:28] <zhukov_> how do i recover the mbr?
[10:28] <nonicklikenonick> boo windows and it's mbr ownership
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[10:28] <pixil9> oh.
[10:28] <pixil9> You want to get back into ubuntu heh
[10:28] <shido6> should I use a framebuffer?
[10:28] <nonicklikenonick> reinstall a bootloader to the mbr
[10:29] <ttrout> the debian partitioning setup was a little awkward; I prefer fdisk. Although, my partitions were already setup from my previous install of gentoo...just formatted and remounted them...
[10:29] <nonicklikenonick> that's why you should always install windows first on a dual-boot system
[10:29] <Sunny> Ahh. Nice
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[10:29] <zhukov_> yes! Ubunru is my main OS, but windows is now completly unusable, and need to be reinstaled (no network connections)
[10:29] <MegamanX11> Windows is usable
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[10:29] <MegamanX11> but not ideal
[10:29] <zhukov_> *ubuntu
[10:29] <hksdu> holycow, I have it installed but how do I know if I am using that driver?
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[10:29] <lsuactiafner> ttrout : cfdisk > all
[10:29] <MegamanX11> ubuntu does have much better hardware detection though
[10:29] <Sunny> Windows is my main OS atm. Ubuntu is good for weekends ;)
[10:30] <phweak> Does anyone know the name of the app that allows you to share a mouse and keyboard over a network?
[10:30] <pixil9> hmm
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[10:30] <pixil9> I'd say make a boot floppy and rewrite the mbr back in ubuntu
[10:30] <GammaRay> MegamanX11: how would you know if his install is usable?
[10:30] <Xappe> zhukov_: i would assume it's something like chroot into the ubuntu root pratition from a live cd and reinstall grub from there
[10:30] <holycow> hksdu, you can check and see if yoru /etc/X11/xorg.conf file has the 'nvidia' driver instead of 'nv', or when you restartx you get an nvidia logo on the front
[10:30] <ttrout> lsauctiafner : thanks...
[10:30] <pixil9> ya that works too
[10:30] <holycow> i'm sure there is a command line way to check just not sure
[10:30] <zhukov_> Xappe, hm ok
[10:30] <DavidF> Does anyone know if the ShipIt CD is a Live CD or just an Install CD?
[10:30] <LinuxJones> phweak, you mean to control mouse/keyboard over a network ?
[10:30] <zhukov_> pixil9, laptop, no floppy drive...
[10:30] <Sunny> BOTH
[10:31] <MegamanX11> Well thats the thing, he was talking about Windows in general, if you are not administrating it correctly, or you dont have virus detection, it is unusable sure enough, but I am assuming he is talking about a competent user
[10:31] <LinuxJones> phweak, >>http://synergy2.sourceforge.net/ ;)
[10:31] <lsuactiafner> hksdu : your nick is terrible, look in /etc/X11/xorg.conf if i remeber your original question correctly, you want Driver          "nvidia" in there not "nv"
[10:31] <Sunny> Both CD'
[10:31] <Sunny> s
[10:31] <pixil9> Well do the livecd then?
[10:31] <Xappe> zhukov_: don't ask me exactly how though, cause i've never done it
[10:31] <phweak> LinuxJones: thats the one. thanks.
[10:31] <MegamanX11> I prefer ubuntu myself
[10:31] <LinuxJones> phweak, it's in the universe repository btw
[10:31] <MegamanX11> its my primary OS
[10:31] <DavidF> Sunny, they send both? That's perfect... I have limited HD space. :)
[10:31] <Sunny> :)
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[10:31] <zhukov_> Xappe, i can then search a bit, and try...The problem is that I CANNOT in anyway loose this ubuntu!!
[10:32] <nonicklikenonick> anyone know why fluxbox insists on using these huge fonts?
[10:32] <phweak> LinuxJones: excellent.
[10:32] <Sunny> Well, both for x86 machines, anyway
[10:32] <GammaRay> MegamanX11: umm no he was not he was talking about his specific install. othewrwise why would be need to reinstall it?
[10:32] <Xappe> zhukov_: you shpuldn't have to
[10:32] <pixil9> There is a way to use the windows bootloader..
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[10:32] <hksdu> holycow, it is using nv, then do I change it manually? or I use synaptics to change?
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[10:32] <DavidF> That's fine, I have an HP with Intel. Decided to give Linux a try, and Ubuntu's price is definitely right. :)
[10:32] <Xappe> zhukov_: and you CAN use the windows bootloader if everything else fails
[10:32] <hksdu> lsuactiafner, hehe..my nick is short though
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[10:32] <MegamanX11> then it that case, i would say that Linux is a better alternative, Windows needs to have its hand held a lot
[10:32] <ttrout> I am trying out Ubuntu, was primarily using Gentoo at work...I use OS X on my laptop...no windows...ick! ;)
[10:32] <Sunny> Lol. I'm a near n00b. I wanted a challange :)
[10:33] <holycow> hksdu, change it to nvidia manually with sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf ... and save
[10:33] <Sunny> And it's worked fine.
[10:33] <essobi_> Umm.. I can't seem to make a kernel that boots with Ubuntu.. is there anything mindblowingly dumb about the 2.6 kernel and the linux-* packages, that I am missing?
[10:33] <hksdu> lsuactiafner, it's using nv but how do I change to nvidia? do I change it manually or do I change it by configuration tool?
[10:33] <Sunny> I started with knoppic.
[10:33] <holycow> hksdu, oh and make sure you have a backup of the file just in case
[10:33] <Sunny> *knoppix
[10:33] <hksdu> holycow, just that driver and no other settings?
[10:33] <essobi_> I'm trying to setup my Radeon X300 with Xorg
[10:33] <hksdu> holycow, okay
[10:33] <DavidF> Are they shipping the 5.04 version now, or is it still 4.10?
[10:33] <lsuactiafner> hksdu : be a man and edit the file manualy, but cp xorg.conf xorg.conf_backup
[10:33] <lsuactiafner> incase...
[10:33] <lsuactiafner> then just change nv to nvidia
[10:33] <lsuactiafner> and restart X
[10:33] <ttrout> I started with a old version of red hat in 1997
[10:33] <zhukov_> ok... pixil9 and Xappe thanks a lot! Im gonna download the ubuntu live cd and reinstall windows.
[10:33] <Sunny> I'd like to try Suse and maybe Gentoo when I get real better :)
[10:33] <Sunny> DavidF
[10:34] <ttrout> I don't like suse...
[10:34] <zhukov_> I hate suse
[10:34] <Sunny> They're now shipping the 5.04
[10:34] <pixil9> hehe ok cya
[10:34] <holycow> hksdu, the site has specific things you need to change, also isn't there an nvidia config package you run at the end after installing the drivers that does this for you? i can't remember
[10:34] <DavidF> That's me! :D
[10:34] <Sunny> Should arrive at end of April, early May
[10:34] <pixil9> zhukov_, wait a min
[10:34] <DavidF> Good deal. Back to reading the FAQs on the website. Thanks for the help!
[10:34] <holycow> hksdu, make sure nv is changed to nvidia and you need to make sure some modules don't load, those should be on the sit as well
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[10:34] <zhukov_> Ok pixil9.
[10:34] <holycow> hksdu, then sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[10:34] <hksdu> holycow, I didn't use apt-get, :P, I used synaptics...
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[10:35] <hksdu> ho
[10:35] <hksdu> holycow, okay
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[10:35] <Luis_R> What is WINE?
[10:35] <Sunny> oo
[10:35] <Beuno> hey, Ive been going crazy trying to share internet to my network from an ubuntu hoary "server", everything else works great, just cant seem to get around that. I installed shorewall and did the IPTABLES MASQ, any ideas?
[10:35] <holycow> hksdu, same thing, synaptic just calls apt get for you in the background
[10:35] <Sunny> Does ubuntu come with WINE?
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[10:35] <Sunny> I hear you can run mIRC with it. I want that.
[10:35] <mattgirv> Luis_R, WINE Is Not An Emulator :)
[10:35] <Sunny> Nearly any Windows program?
[10:36] <Sunny> Oh ^^. :|
[10:36] <Jimmothy> don't use mIRC :(
[10:36] <Sunny> mIRC is familiar.
[10:36] <Luis_R> I not sure I'm following you guys
[10:36] <Jimmothy> irssi, xchat, anything but mIRC
[10:36] <mattgirv> Sunny, sudo apt-get install wine
[10:36] <mattgirv> then download mIRC. wine mircinstall.exe :)
[10:36] <Luis_R> I am a newbie
[10:36] <Sunny> But Opera is the one thing that'll let me bloody log onto this irc server
[10:36] <mattgirv> You might have to run "winetools" first and configure a home directory
[10:36] <MegamanX11> I got Tiger Early (tee he he)
[10:37] <Sunny> matt - i didn't understand that. sorry, not quite 'good' yet. but thanks :)
[10:37] <mattgirv> Sunny, go into Applications > System Tools > Terminal
[10:37] <Sunny> 244KB/s w00t
[10:37] <Luis_R> mattgirv
[10:37] <mattgirv> Then type sudo apt-get install wine
[10:37] <pixil9> ah n/m
[10:37] <Sunny> I gatheres that, thanks matt.
[10:37] <Sunny> ahh
[10:38] <Sunny> i thought sudo was something else :)
[10:38] <Luis_R> boy am I lost...
[10:38] <Jimmothy> you can't log into freenode with a linux irssi client?
[10:38] <mattgirv> sudo basically gives root priviledges to whatever command you use after that
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[10:38] <Sunny> Ahh.
[10:38] <mattgirv> so sudo rm will delete a file with root priviledges.
[10:38] <Sunny> Crap.
[10:38] <Luis_R> Can someone tell me what WINE is?
[10:38] <Sunny> I forgot the cmd to switch to root user
[10:38] <rave> wine ==
[10:39] <hybrid> wine is windows emulation
[10:39] <Jimmothy> Sunny: su - ?
[10:39] <mattgirv> Luis_R, it basically enables you to run Windows applications/games in Linux.
[10:39] <rave> Wine means wine is not a windows emulator
[10:39] <Sunny> i thought it was something like $su
[10:39] <rave> thats the real meaning of it
[10:39] <Sunny> or #s
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[10:39] <Jimmothy> su -
[10:39] <Sunny> or something
[10:39] <mattgirv> rave, no it isn't
[10:39] <Luis_R> oh, so would it serve me better than a dual boot?
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[10:39] <mattgirv> WINWE
[10:39] <mattgirv> :p
[10:39] <mattgirv> WINE Is Not a Emulator
[10:39] <Sunny> hmm, k Jim.
[10:39] <rave> wine is not an Emulator
[10:39] <hybrid> whats up wit free software and recursive acronyms i.e php wine gnu hurd
[10:39] <rave> execatly :p sorry
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[10:40] <Beuno> hey, can I use firestarter from console?
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[10:40] <Jimmothy> if its ubuntu its sudo before the command. i know, i dislike this too.
[10:40] <Beuno> is it easy to edit through config files?
[10:40] <pixil9> Where does wine install stuff?
[10:40] <Delph> hybrid: php?
[10:40] <Beuno> Im giving up on shorewall
[10:40] <Xappe> Beuno: I would stick with shorewall, it's great
[10:40] <holycow> hksdu, so?
[10:40] <GammaRay> hybrid: nerds run amuck
[10:40] <Beuno> hm
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[10:40] <hybrid> php hyptex sumthing
[10:40] <Beuno> well
[10:40] <Delph> preproccessed hypertext pages?
[10:40] <Sunny> 880/1066 updates complete
[10:40] <Beuno> Ive been working on it for 2 days
[10:40] <rave> any one know the maintainer join procedures ?
[10:40] <Beuno> I cant get it to shre internet
[10:40] <Beuno> :(
[10:40] <hybrid> GammaRay: what is amuck
[10:40] <Beuno> any ideas?
[10:41] <Beuno> I followed all the walkthroughs
[10:41] <Xappe> Beuno: you can use the example files that comes with the shorewall-doc package
[10:41] <mattgirv> pixil9, when you download WINE, you run a program called winetools where you choose a directory, whatever directory you choose, WINE will use it to install software to.
[10:41] <Beuno> triple checked all configs
[10:41] <Beuno> yeah, I did
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[10:41] <Delph> PHP: Hypertext Preprocessor, actually.
[10:41] <Beuno> just seems to reject the connections from the other PCs
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[10:41] <rave> any one know the maintainer join procedures ?
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[10:41] <Beuno> I got DHCP, MySQL, APACHE, PHP, SAMBA
[10:41] <Beuno> everythings working
[10:41] <Luis_R> hybrid, can wine access an external hard drive?
[10:41] <neofeed> breezy has lots of rough edges.... gawd.
[10:41] <Xappe> Beuno: what's the problem then?
[10:41] <shido6> well framebuffer sucked , so dont use framebuffer for 9800 ati on a prescott with p4p800 mobo
[10:41] <rave> because i cant find anything on the site thoo :(
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[10:42] <GammaRay> hybrid: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Amuck
[10:42] <hybrid> Luis_R prolly
[10:42] <pixil9> hehe mirc just froze
[10:42] <Sunny> Hey, why do you call Pentiums, Prescotts? :?
[10:42] <Beuno> I cant access internet from the client
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[10:42] <Beuno> s
[10:42] <LinuxJones> Beuno, >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/ShareInternetConnection
[10:42] <Luis_R> hybrid, its an external drive that I can't mount with Linux
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[10:42] <GammaRay> Sunny: umm.. you don't?
[10:42] <Sunny> No. I call them Pentiums.
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[10:42] <Beuno> yes, would be nice if that would of worked
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[10:42] <Luis_R> hybrid, does that change anything?
[10:42] <Beuno> was the first thing I tried
[10:43] <Sunny> I've heard the expression before, just wondering why?
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[10:43] <GammaRay> Sunny: umm lemme rephrase that... : umm... you don't.
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[10:43] <Beuno> can you think of where I can start looking for the problem?
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[10:43] <GammaRay> Sunny: probably the codename for the project at intel
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[10:43] <Hexade> is it possible to save my configuration of Ubunto-LiveCD ?
[10:43] <Beuno> because Im lost at this point
[10:43] <hybrid> Luis_R : it changes nothing b/c *you* cant mount it
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[10:43] <Sunny> Hmm.
[10:43] <Xappe> Beuno, do you have a two nic setup?
[10:44] <hybrid> if it worx under windoze then it prolly will in wine
[10:44] <Beuno> yeah, one connected to the internet perfectly, and the other one 192.168.1.1
[10:44] <navreet> hi, xchat is broken... is that the case for everyone [running AMD64] 
[10:44] <navreet> ?
[10:44] <Beuno> DHCP server up and running
[10:44] <pixil9> I'm using xchat.
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[10:44] <Beuno> all the other PCs connect and get an IP
[10:44] <navreet> pixil9: amd64?
[10:44] <Sunny> bbl
[10:44] <Xappe> have you tried without dhcp?
[10:44] <zhukov_> found waht you wanted pixil9 ?
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[10:44] <farruinn> I'm getting an error, "ImportError: No module named gtkhtml2", with a python app.  Anyone know how to resolve this?
[10:44] <Xappe> Beuno, ok
[10:45] <farruinn> I can't find a package for a gtkhtml2 python module...
[10:45] <LinuxJones> Beuno, you need to set the default gateway on the client machines ?
[10:45] <Xappe> Beuno: and you can ping the firewall?
[10:45] <Janux> holycow, I followed and it shows that logo now, but the instructions did not tell me where do I use that configuration tool, any hint?
[10:45] <navreet> how can I run a 32bit version of firefox?? [It's annoying not being able to view flash/java content] 
[10:45] <Beuno> yes, I did set it to 192.168.1.1 on all clients
[10:45] <Beuno> yes, I can ping it correctly
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[10:46] <XTCboarder> navreetthere should be a 64 bit version
[10:46] <XTCboarder> or recompile
[10:46] <LinuxJones> Beuno, you set forewarding and masquerading properly in iptables ?
[10:46] <Beuno> yes, I think so
[10:46] <Janux> holycow, sorry I am hksdu, I changed my nick
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[10:46] <Beuno> how can I check?
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[10:47] <LinuxJones> Beuno, iptables -L wil list your iptables rules settings
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[10:47] <Sunny> back.
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[10:47] <JDigital> I'm using Warty, how do I access a windows share on my network?
[10:47] <LinuxJones> Beuno, are they windows clients or Linux clients ?
[10:48] <LinuxJones> JDigital, www.ubuntuguide.org
[10:48] <JDigital> I get an error when I try to open the computer in the Network thing: You do not have the permissions necessary to view the contents of "Windows Network: meepo".
[10:48] <Beuno> I have both
[10:49] <Beuno> iptables -L uotputs a lot
[10:49] <Beuno> what am I looking for?
[10:49] <malte`> i just installed ubuntu amd64 on my homemate's pc with athlon64... but i get random reboots!
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[10:50] <LinuxJones> Beuno, well it depends on what you have Iptables set up to filter/allow
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[10:50] <Beuno> ok, well
[10:50] <Levander> Is there a log of the packages I've installed with apt-get somewhere?
[10:50] <pixil9> malte`, Just install 32bit.
[10:50] <Beuno> just added on shorewall
[10:50] <Beuno> all the basic ports
[10:50] <LinuxJones> Beuno, your running shorewall ?
[10:50] <Beuno> for samba, mysql, apache, etc
[10:50] <Beuno> yes
[10:50] <JDigital> LinuxJones: ubuntuguide gives no help here.
[10:50] <Beuno> I understand thats what I need
[10:50] <LinuxJones> Beuno, oh dear
[10:51] <Beuno> or dont I?
[10:51] <Beuno> heh
[10:51] <Beuno> ok
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[10:51] <Beuno> clearliy Im very lost
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[10:51] <JDigital> ..
[10:51] <Beuno> apt-get remove shorewall?    /etc/init.d/shorewall stop?
[10:51] <JDigital> oh hey, it works now
[10:51] <malte`> pixil9: yeah i think i should...
[10:51] <JDigital> thanks, LinuxJones :D
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[10:52] <LinuxJones> Beuno, shorewall probably has added a bunch of rules. If you can 't configure shorewall best to get rid of it and follow the guide.
[10:52] <LinuxJones> JDigital, 1 sec
[10:52] <olorin> help timestamp_format
[10:52] <Beuno> ok, removing...
[10:52] <Beuno> will it remove the rules it set?
[10:52] <hans_> how do i search for files in ubuntu?
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[10:52] <navreet> XTCboarder, if i wanted to compile stuff, i'd be running gentoo
[10:52] <Xappe> Beuno: i got my internet sharing up and running in no time with the shorewall example files. just had to do some minor changes
[10:53] <Beuno> hans:  find / -name text
[10:53] <navreet> XTCboarder, I want it to "just work"
[10:53] <hans_> thx
[10:53] <Beuno> Xappe: didnt have the same luck as you  :(
[10:53] <olorin> hans_: use slocate
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[10:53] <XTCboarder> oh
[10:53] <Beuno> LinuxJones: removed. how do I remove all the rules it set in iptablkes?
[10:53] <Amaranth> Lathiat: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=29732 :D
[10:53] <tomukas> are there any photos of the conference in sydney?
[10:54] <XTCboarder> get urself a 32 bit proc xD 64 bit proc are kinda new ya know....
[10:54] <olorin> you can also use the GUI
[10:54] <olorin> hans_: you can also use the GUI
[10:54] <Amaranth> New version of the menu editor is out! :) http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=29732
[10:54] <XTCboarder> beuno iptables -F i think.....
[10:54] <Beuno> yes
[10:54] <Beuno> done
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[10:55] <Xappe> Bueno: have you enabled ip forwarding in your shorewall.conf?
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[10:55] <jnk> anyone from sweden.?
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[10:55] <Xappe> jnk: yes
[10:55] <Beuno> xappe: yes, it was set on "on"
[10:55] <reagleBRKLN> where/how to report package bug (like in debian?)
[10:55] <jnk> Xappe; does my swedihs characters work.? .?
[10:56] <cusco> hi
[10:56] <tolle> jnk: Using utf-8?
[10:56] <jnk> darn...
[10:56] <Delph> jnk: aye, they're fine.
[10:56] <Beuno> LinuxJones:  back to zero, now what?
[10:56] <malte`> i see them too
[10:56] <cusco> Attached scsi removable disk sda at scsi1, channel 0, id 0, lun 0
[10:56] <cusco> usb-storage: device scan complete
[10:56] <jnk> I've tried to change to 8859-15 (?) so many times...
[10:56] <Beuno> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/ShareInternetConnection
[10:56] <Beuno> that?
[10:56] <cusco> HFS+-fs warning: Filesystem was not cleanly unmounted, running fsck.hfsplus is recommended.  mounting read-only.
[10:56] <tolle> Delph: And you are using utf-8 to i guess
[10:56] <Delph> tolle: it's the only way to go.
[10:57] <tolle> jnk: What client?
[10:57] <malte`> as you should see my italian ones  :P
[10:57] <reagleBRKLN> kodos doesn't work...
[10:57] <cusco> please I don't have fsk.hfs
[10:57] <cusco> fsck.hfs
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[10:57] <LinuxJones> JDigital, >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SettingUpSamba
[10:57] <Xappe> jnk: yes
[10:57] <jnk> where do I see witch character set I'm using,?  =)  kinda n00b on linux so far...
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[10:57] <LinuxJones> Beuno, iptables -F
[10:57] <cusco> altho I donwloaded hfsplus and used hpfsck
[10:57] <jnk> I mean the system defaults...
[10:57] <cusco> and I have an error
[10:57] <LinuxJones> Beuno, follow the guide from the start
[10:57] <Beuno> ok
[10:57] <Beuno> will do
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[10:57] <malte`> jnk: 'locale'
[10:58] <Xappe> jnk: the system default for Hoary is utf-8
[10:58] <malte`> on a terminal
[10:58] <LinuxJones> Beuno, once you get those iptables rules set you should be good to go
[10:58] <jnk> Xappe; yes i know, i've tried to change it...
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[10:58] <jnk> makte; k... will try...
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[10:58] <joe|code> Ubuntuguide.org is excellent.
[10:58] <jnk> crap UTF8....
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[10:59] <Beuno> LinuxJones: should I restart my network?
[10:59] <Beuno> or its not necessary?
[10:59] <REWind> Hi guys! Do anyone know how you can get esd to be shared amoung more users simultantly logged in?
[10:59] <jnk> Xappe, malte; do u guys know where I change the character set.? I dont want to use UTF8...
[10:59] <Simon_> REWind, magiq
[10:59] <LinuxJones> Beuno, I don't think so but if you need to type /etc/init.d/networking restart
[10:59] <Simon_> lol
[10:59] <malte`> jnk: just on IRC or system-wide?
[10:59] <jnk> malte; system
[10:59] <Xappe> jnk: sudo dphg-reconfigure locales
[11:00] <Xappe> *dpkg
[11:00] <jnk> k...
[11:00] <Beuno> now, I should see somethng on iptables -L, right?
[11:00] <qm8008135> how do you open a new tab in firefox from xterm?
[11:00] <qm8008135> man firefox gives me nothing
[11:00] <jnk> Xappe; trying thet now... brb. ;)
[11:00] <malte`> or append 'export LANG=your_preferred_locale' to /etc/profile
[11:00] <lsuactiafner> just run firefox
[11:00] <lsuactiafner> tho it will give you a new windows..
[11:00] <lsuactiafner> if that is what you want
[11:00] <LinuxJones> Beuno, yes
[11:01] <cusco> please I need help here! please!! http://rafb.net/paste/results/p6Hx9T76.html
[11:02] <REWind> Simon_, tell me more about magiq? I couldn't find it in the system, synaptic or on google..
[11:02] <Beuno> LinuxJones: well, now, iptables -L is empty, and I dont have a connection to the internet anymore
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[11:02] <Sunny> oh shite
[11:02] <Sunny> how do i manually boot to my windows partition from Grub screen?
[11:03] <LinuxJones> Beuno, iptables can't be empty if you put those commands in
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[11:03] <Beuno> I know
[11:03] <Beuno> just put it in again
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[11:03] <Beuno> still empty....
[11:03] <malte`> Sunny: try 'root (hd0,0)'
[11:03] <malte`> subsitute 0,0 with your actual windows partitin
[11:03] <lsuactiafner> iptables -L -t nat
[11:04] <Sunny> hmm. I'll have to remember it first
[11:04] <Sunny> i think it's hd1
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[11:04] <LinuxJones> Beuno, /etc/init.d/networking restart (it should come up and say ok)
[11:04] <malte`> hda1
[11:04] <malte`> so it's hd0,0 for grub
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[11:04] <malte`> try root (hd0,0) or rootnoverify (hd0,0)
[11:04] <Sunny> thatis it
[11:04] <Beuno> "iptables -L -t nat" outputs something: MASQUERADE all -- anywhere anywhere
[11:05] <Sunny> Error while parsing number
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[11:05] <Beuno> under posrouting
[11:05] <LinuxJones> Beuno, that's good
[11:05] <Beuno> :D
[11:05] <Beuno> is tehre anywhere I can see
[11:05] <Beuno> a log
[11:05] <Sunny> arse
[11:05] <Sunny> malte?
[11:05] <LinuxJones> Beuno, what does ipconfig -a say for eth0 and eth1 ?
[11:05] <Beuno> if the cliente get rejected or something
[11:06] <malte`> Sunny: i don't know :|
[11:06] <LinuxJones> Beuno, make that ifconfig -a
[11:06] <Beuno> :D   I assumed
[11:06] <Beuno> eth0  has my ISPs IP  200.114.155.68
[11:06] <LinuxJones> Beuno, perfect
[11:06] <Beuno> eth1 has 192.168.1.1
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[11:07] <xMaximex> I have two HD, one for windows and one for Linux .. i have to remove my first HD .. how can i temporary boot directly from the 2nd hd ?
[11:07] <LinuxJones> Beuno, that's not the correct ip address as per the guide :)
[11:07] <Beuno> I know
[11:07] <Beuno> I just changed it
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[11:08] <Beuno> to configure it so it would "fight" with the current server
[11:08] <Beuno> which has that IP also
[11:08] <pixil9> Anyone know a good x program for monitoring snmp
[11:08] <Beuno> you think thats the reason?
[11:08] <Beuno> I thought that was a valid IP also
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[11:08] <LinuxJones> Beuno, as long as it's a valid ip address it should be ok
[11:08] <Nalioth> xMaximex, what is on the 2nd HD?
[11:09] <Sunny> oh shit.
[11:09] <Beuno> ok, well, I dont seem to have internte connection on it right now
[11:09] <Beuno> rebooting it
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[11:09] <Beuno> and then Ill run to one of the clients
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[11:10] <Beuno> there
[11:10] <Beuno> internet
[11:10] <Beuno> gonno run to one of the clients
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[11:10] <LinuxJones> Beuno, so it works ?
[11:11] <Beuno> no no, just on the server
[11:11] <Beuno> trying to get it on the clients
[11:11] <Beuno> rebooting a windows and an ubuntu box
[11:12] <redduck666> does apt-get work on ubuntu live cd?
[11:12] <neofeed> redduck666, what do you want to do?
[11:12] <Sunny> anyone got any ideas on my problem?
[11:12] <hans_> im looking for a program to schedule shutdown ubuntu
[11:12] <redduck666> neofeed: install things like amule/xmue
[11:12] <spiral> does anyone else have problems of console loadkeys in breezy ?
[11:12] <Beuno> LinuxJones: I shoulndt have to touch anything on my reolv.conf
[11:12] <redduck666> *xmule
[11:13] <Beuno> on the server side at least, right?
[11:13] <MegamanX11> are there any really good apt repositories that don;t come with ubuntu?
[11:13] <LinuxJones> Beuno, you have to set the dns servers to your ISP's dns servers in that file.
[11:13] <Nalioth> MegamanX11, what a good question...what he said, for PPC?
[11:13] <neofeed> redduck666, what about: try it out?
[11:14] <hans_> im looking for a program to schedule shutdown ubuntu
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[11:14] <stazz> hans_: cron
[11:14] <Beuno> yeah, tthey go setup automatically
[11:14] <LinuxJones> hans_, cron
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[11:14] <Sunny> anyone
[11:14] <hans_> thx
[11:14] <joe|code> Does anyone have the Mplayer plugin installed in their browser? I installed it via Synaptic but I cannot find it.
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[11:15] <LinuxJones> hans_, if you just want the even to happen once like tonight you can also use the at command
[11:15] <Janux> my xmms crashes, I am using onboard sound, any help?
[11:15] <jnk> anyone that can help me with activating DMA on my Plextor DVD-RW.? I only get this strange error msg (HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted) =(
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[11:19] <Beuno> ;(
[11:19] <LinuxJones> hi hans_
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[11:20] <owdi> is there a big performance difference between the 2.6.10-5-386 kernel and 2.6.10-5-k7 kernel with a Athlon XP Barton?
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[11:20] <Janux> hi, I can browse my network by going to places->Network Servers and it shows my windows shared drive.  Now if I want to play movies/MP3 streaming from other shared network drives, what should I do?
[11:20] <moZer> use a gnome-vfs enabled player
[11:20] <moZer> such as rhythmbox
[11:21] <Sunny> Im creating a new master boot record
[11:21] <Sunny> and then hopefully i'll be able to repair the damage
[11:21] <Beuno> LinuxJones: no luck
[11:21] <moZer> owdi:  not a big
[11:21] <moZer> i bet you'll fail the pepsi challenge
[11:21] <Janux> thx
[11:22] <reagleBRKLN> dang it, its hard to submit a ubuntu bug!
[11:22] <olorin> qm8008135: look at this http://aquariusoft.org/page/linux/firefox_openinnewtab/
[11:22] <owdi> moZer: thanks, I wasnt' sure if it was worth the inconvenience
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[11:23] <LinuxJones> hans_, have a look at man at ,     "sudo at midnight shutdown -h now"  will shutdown your computer at midnight
[11:23] <LinuxJones> Beuno, you sure you have the clients setup ok ?
[11:24] <Beuno> hey!
[11:24] <Beuno> wait
[11:24] <Beuno> now
[11:24] <Beuno> it seems
[11:24] <Beuno> from the windows box
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[11:24] <Beuno> I can resolve DNS
[11:24] <Beuno> I can ping google.com
[11:24] <Beuno> well
[11:24] <Beuno> it doesnt respond
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[11:24] <Beuno> but it resolvs the IP address of the domain
[11:25] <Beuno> but it doesnt respond
[11:25] <Beuno> and I cant browse and webpages
[11:25] <LinuxJones> Beuno, you dns on the clients is not set to what is in /etc/resolve.conf on the server
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[11:25] <Beuno> Im a step closre though
[11:25] <Simon_> beuno mtu ???
[11:25] <LinuxJones> Beuno, you can browse ?
[11:25] <Albacker> Beuno same happend to me.
[11:25] <Beuno> no
[11:25] <Beuno> I cant
[11:25] <Beuno> sotrry
[11:25] <Simon_> beuno are un in a network
[11:25] <Simon_> ?
[11:25] <Beuno> Albacker: how dod you fix it?
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[11:26] <Simon_> Beuno, are u inside a network ?
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[11:26] <Beuno> yes
[11:26] <Albacker> Beuno, do you use dial up ?
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[11:26] <Simon_> and ur mtu are set correctly
[11:26] <Simon_>  ?
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[11:26] <hans_> how do i shutdown my system with the command 'at'?
[11:26] <Beuno> no, cable
[11:26] <Simon_> ok
[11:26] <Albacker> hmm, i use dial up.
[11:27] <Simon_> beuno sor ur inside a network
[11:27] <maxxist> quick question about the gnome based bit torrent client that comes with ubuntu.  which version is it,  it doesnt seem to work with alot of the torrents I have been finding.
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[11:27] <Beuno> LinuxJones: is there a way to make the clients get the DNS from the server?
[11:27] <Simon_> and u have a router and or thing that shares the net right ???
[11:27] <LinuxJones> hans_, "sudo at midnight shutdown -h now"  will shutdown your computer at midnight
[11:27] <Beuno> becuase they change every now and then
[11:27] <ja5on> how do I change my machine name
[11:27] <Simon_> /etc/hostname
[11:27] <ja5on> cool
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[11:28] <Sunny> Hokey. Got Windows back.
[11:28] <Nermal> *Slap*
[11:28] <Sunny> How do i know get back into Ubuntu?
[11:28] <Simon_> well pico /etc/hostname or vi /etc/hostname
[11:28] <Sunny> *now
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[11:28] <Beuno> woooooooooooooooorks!
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[11:28] <DigitalFox|PDA> /names
[11:28] <dataw0lf|w> or hostname <hostname>
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[11:28] <Sunny> Simon: Ubuntu just screwed me. I need to get back into it
[11:29] <Simon_> ur bootloader beeing ???
[11:29] <bad_mongo> ah.. I wanted to test SuSe 9.3, and it said that it had iPod-support.. first thing it did was to erase its content
[11:29] <Beuno> LinuxJones:  woooooooooooooooorks
[11:29] <Sunny> it WAS gru
[11:29] <Sunny> b
[11:29] <Sunny> tis now gone
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[11:29] <LinuxJones> Beuno, so what was the problem ?
[11:29] <Simon_> and leme guess now u can only boot windows right
[11:29] <Beuno> thank you thank you
[11:29] <Sunny> Yup. :)
[11:29] <Simon_> ok
[11:29] <Simon_> well
[11:29] <Beuno> had to set the DNS on windows
[11:29] <Sunny> After usuing fixmbr
[11:29] <Simon_> do u have a bootable linux disc neer u
[11:29] <Beuno> still
[11:29] <Beuno> I need to find a way
[11:29] <Sunny> I'm just booting up knoppix
[11:29] <Beuno> for the DNS servers
[11:29] <thisfred> I have a sound question. Mostly everything works fine, but since I upgraded to hoary I can't get audacity to work. Sound familiar to anyone?
[11:30] <Simon_> ok
[11:30] <Beuno> to be 192
[11:30] <Beuno> .192.168.1.1
[11:30] <Sunny> 3.6
[11:30] <Simon_> chroot on ur ubuntu partition and reinstall grub
[11:30] <Beuno> because they change
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[11:30] <Sunny> how?
[11:30] <Simon_> uhhh
[11:30] <Beuno> I cant set the staticilly on the clients
[11:30] <Simon_> im useto lilo lol
[11:30] <Beuno> that part didnt make sense to me
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[11:30] <Simon_> sunny
[11:30] <Sunny> Simon
[11:30] <LinuxJones> Beuno, it can still use those dns servers when it boots up next time dhcp is disabled so it shouldn't update /etc/resolv.conf
[11:30] <Sunny> God my room is a mess.
[11:30] <Simon_> u mount ur partition u chroot /mnt/partition /bin/bash
[11:31] <Simon_> :) same here lol
[11:31] <LinuxJones> Beuno, or whatever file windows uses
[11:32] <Simon_> Sunny, u mount ur partition (ubuntu partition) then chroot /mnt/partition /bin/bash then if i remember correctly there is a command to reinstall grub
[11:32] <Beuno> ok, going to try it this way then
[11:32] <Beuno> thanks a million!
[11:32] <LinuxJones> Beuno, have fun :)
[11:32] <Sunny> ok. i'll try
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[11:33] <cusco> please help me with fsck: http://rafb.net/paste/results/AtEmrj82.html
[11:33] <paulfox> hi folks. i'm trying to use my ipod on linux(just got it today) and i think i've messed it up. whenever its not connected to the usb cable, i get a folder and an ! icon
[11:33] <Sunny> after /mnt/<partition> how do i do the partition bit?
[11:33] <paulfox>  i've got no idea how to get music onto it...where do i starts?
[11:33] <Sunny> a number
[11:33] <Sunny> hda5
[11:33] <Sunny> ?
[11:34] <FeJaOr> pnp: PnPACPI: METHOD_NAME_ _CRS failure for PNP0C01, pnp: PnPACPI: METHOD_NAME_ _CRS failure for PNP0C02...what do that mean??
[11:34] <Sunny> Simnon?
[11:34] <Sunny> Simon?
[11:34] <pixil9> where does apt-get download the install files?
[11:34] <lsuactiafner> cd /var/cache/archives or something
[11:34] <paulfox> anybody got experience with gtkpod and rhythmbox?
[11:34] <Beuno> will do!
[11:34] <lsuactiafner>  /var/cache/apt/archives
[11:34] <CarlK> will the installer let me resize an NTFS partition?  I would like to install on to a XP box that has one big partition - (I do have an image that I can restore if things go bad)
[11:35] <lsuactiafner> CarlK : i doubt it, but get a 2nd opinion
[11:35] <Sunny> SIMON?!
[11:36] <WillCooke> paulfox, I've got gtkpod working, haven't looked at rhythmbox
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[11:36] <Sunny> Don't make me hit you ;)
[11:36] <FeJaOr> pnp: PnPACPI: METHOD_NAME_ _CRS failure for PNP0C01, pnp: PnPACPI: METHOD_NAME_ _CRS failure for PNP0C02...what do that mean??
[11:36] <paulfox> WillCooke, whats the key to getting gtkpod to do something good?
[11:36] <cusco> please help me with fsck: http://rafb.net/paste/results/AtEmrj82.html
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[11:37] <WillCooke> paulfox. How do you mean?  Generally working?  I've found gtkpod to be a little lacking.
[11:37] <Sunny> SIMON
[11:37] <paulfox> WillCooke, my ipod screen always says "Do not disconnect" when it's connected with linux. and if i add a song to the ipod with gtkpod, and disconnect it anyway, i just get the ! icon, saying it's unusable
[11:37] <WillCooke> paulfox, The newer version built from source has a few more features, but generally it's only any good for getting files on and off the ipod.  File managemnet on your computer needs to be done manually.
[11:38] <WillCooke> paulfox, Ah right.  This I know about...
[11:38] <paulfox> WillCooke, phew...i'm completely stumped
[11:38] <WillCooke> paufox, When you want to "eject" the ipod, you need to rmmod sbp2 (or is it spb2?)
[11:38] <cusco> WillCooke, paulfox, Im having problems with my ipod maybe you could help...
[11:38] <cusco> http://rafb.net/paste/results/AtEmrj82.html
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[11:39] <Sunny> WHERE'S SIMON?
[11:39] <paulfox> WillCooke,  sbp2
[11:39] <WillCooke> paulfox, of course you need to "sudo" that command, so "sudo rmmod sbp2"
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[11:39] <WillCooke> paulfox, that should get you back to the "OK to disconnect" screen
[11:39] <mattgirv> Does anyone here have an Orange SPV?
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[11:40] <CarlK> ok, plan B - does the liveCD have the partition thing that will reisze NTFS?
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[11:41] <paulfox> WillCooke, i've removed the module, but i'm still on the do not disconnect screen
[11:41] <WillCooke> paulfox, Oh!
[11:41] <WillCooke> paulfox, hold on, i'll plug the ipod in......
[11:41] <paulfox> WillCooke, cool, thanks
[11:41] <WillCooke> paulfox, Ah, are you usb2 or firewire?
[11:41] <cusco> WillCooke: paulfox: I cannot writte onto my iPod... due to: HFS+-fs warning: Filesystem was not cleanly unmounted, running fsck.hfsplus is recommended.  mounting read-only.
[11:41] <Amaranth> Hey, does anyone here use the Menu Editor from the Ubuntu Forums?
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[11:42] <holycow> Amaranth, all the time
[11:42] <Amaranth> holycow: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=29732
[11:42] <WillCooke> cusco, Your best bet is to copy all your files off of it and reformat as vfat (assuming you've got a g3 or later)
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[11:43] <nanophase> hi
[11:43] <paulfox> WillCooke, maybe thats what i need to do?
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[11:43] <hans_> i heard that there is a possibility to install windows games on a linux system?
[11:43] <nanophase> can I run just "grub-install (hd0)" from the install CD?
[11:44] <Nalioth> thought ipods were fat32
[11:44] <olorin> hans_: yes
[11:44] <nanophase> doesn't want to run because it can't install grub package before
[11:44] <pepsi> moZer, hi
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[11:44] <Sunny> SIMON
[11:44] <olorin> hans_: have a look at www.winehq.xom
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[11:44] <Sunny> Where's he?
[11:44] <nanophase> I just want to have my grub mbr back after windows install
[11:44] <olorin> hans_: *com
[11:44] <Sunny> I need urgent bloody help.
[11:44] <Sunny> i need my grub mbr back
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[11:44] <hans_> thx
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[11:45] <phillipc> hi. I compiled a custom kernel, loaded it, and don't have the ipw2100 (networking module) available when I reboot. Is there a package I can install to get the ipw2100 module?
[11:45] <Simon_> Sunny, grub there is a restore function man grub
[11:45] <SaMRoX`> hi
[11:45] <nanophase> Sumido if you can run grub-install (hd0) :>
[11:45] <holycow> Amaranth, cannot open that page
[11:45] <Sunny> Simon
[11:45] <Sunny> i cant mnt my partition
[11:45] <Amaranth> holycow: eh? what's it say?
[11:45] <Sunny> how do i do it?
[11:45] <SaMRoX`> how do I decompress a .tar???
[11:46] <nanophase> damn why is it a damn lilo on the CD when starting...you could use grub for fixing mbr's
[11:46] <Amaranth> SaMRoX`: Applications->Accessories->Archive Manager
[11:46] <dataw0lf|w> SaMRoX`: tar cvf <tar file>
[11:46] <chavo_> SaMRoX`, it's not compressed.
[11:46] <SaMRoX`> Amaranth, how from the terminal?
[11:46] <SaMRoX`> thx dataw0lf
[11:46] <dataw0lf|w> err, tar xvf
[11:46] <dataw0lf|w> hehe
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[11:46] <Amaranth> holycow: http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=67 and choose the Smeg 0.5 thread
[11:47] <Nalioth> windoze sux
[11:47] <Sunny> Simon?
[11:47] <FeJaOr> pnp: PnPACPI: METHOD_NAME_ _CRS failure for PNP0C01, pnp: PnPACPI: METHOD_NAME_ _CRS failure for PNP0C02...what do that mean??
[11:48] <WillCooke> paulfox, Sorry - my dog just pressed the reset button on the computer.. Where were we?
[11:48] <dataw0lf|w> likely story.
[11:48] <paulfox> WillCooke, heheh. i was wondering if formatting the ipod will get be back to it being usable?
[11:49] <WillCooke> paulfox, if you have got a backup of all the data it won't hurt it, just make sure you format the correct partition!
[11:49] <paulfox> WillCooke, will do
[11:49] <neighborlee> anyone having trouble printing with gimip..regular printing works fine but my pictures wont...the right printer is shown selected but clicking 'print' doesn't seem to push anything to print cue ?
[11:49] <Sunny> fecking idleness
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[11:50] <paulfox> WillCooke, it's weird. i've just run mkdosfs on the ipod, and reinserted it, and i've still got files on it
[11:51] <paulfox> WillCooke, but gnome has mounted it as 2 directories: myipod and usbdisk(the one with the files - Calendars, Contacts, iPod_control)
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[11:52] <georges> hi
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[11:52] <georges> the device create for a DV camera has mode 600 instead of 660. is that normal? where can I chage it (no idea how devfs works)
[11:52] <Beuno_> LinuxJones: got everythoing working, just cant seem to get the "route add default gw ip" command to stick
[11:53] <holy_cow> backo
[11:53] <Beuno_> anyone have any idea how to make the "permanent"?
[11:53] <holy_cow> Amaranth, ah i see, haha nice :)
[11:54] <sascha_> hi, any idea why I cant install postgresql 8.0 with a simple apt-get?
[11:54] <olorin> hans_: and also www.transgaming.com
[11:54] <SaMRoX`> I want to install XMMS and when I run ./configure I get this error:
[11:54] <SaMRoX`> configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH
[11:55] <SaMRoX`> how do I solve it?
[11:55] <nickrud> SaMRoX`, apt-get install build-essential
[11:55] <Sunny> anyone?
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[11:55] <nickrud> SaMRoX`, that gets you the basic stuff for compiling, you may need more dev files, just ask abut any errors
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[11:56] <hybrid_> how do i install new fonts?
[11:56] <SaMRoX`> thx
[11:56] <holy_cow> SaMRoX`, what does installing xmms and compiling haveto do with them selves?
[11:56] <holy_cow> SaMRoX`, xmms is in ubuntu
[11:56] <nickrud> hybrid_, just drop the ttf file in ~/.fonts
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[11:56] <hybrid_> ok ty
[11:56] <SaMRoX`> where holy_cow?
[11:56] <dts> I have a laptop and I would like to be able to change the background brightness based on power states, are there any tools out there that are capable of doing this?
[11:57] <SaMRoX`> I think I have an older version of ubuntu, thats why
[11:57] <PHPWannabe> Does anyone know how to make thunderbird your default email program?
[11:57] <holy_cow> SaMRoX`, why not update to hoary?
[11:57] <holy_cow> and enable universe perhaps?
[11:57] <SaMRoX`> Is there anyway to update without downloading and intalling everithing again?
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[11:57] <nickrud> PHPWannabe, System->Prefs->Preferred Aps
[11:57] <holy_cow> PHPWannabe, system > prefs > preffered programs
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[11:57] <holy_cow> SaMRoX`, sure
[11:57] <SaMRoX`> If theres a way Ill do it now
[11:57] <dts> PHPWannabe, yea system- preferences -prefered aps
[11:57] <SaMRoX`> How?
[11:57] <dts> lol
[11:58] <WillCooke> paulfox, guess what!?
[11:58] <Beuno_> anyone knwo how I can make "route add default gw ip" stick permanently
[11:58] <Beuno_> ?
[11:58] <holy_cow> what was the old version of ubuntu?
[11:58] <paulfox> WillCooke, what?
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[11:58] <WillCooke> paulfox, dog strikes again
[11:58] <paulfox> WillCooke, hahah :)
[11:58] <farruinn> holy_cow: warty?
[11:58] <holy_cow> SaMRoX`, you need to change your /etc/apt/sources.list file ... all entries from oldubuntuname to hoary
[11:58] <olorin> Beuno_: add it to /etc/network/interfaces
[11:58] <Nalioth> nickrud, don't you have to remake the ttf database or something?
[11:59] <holy_cow> farruinn, danke, change all warty entries to hoary in that file
[11:59] <WillCooke> paulfox, Right, so is the ipod any better now?
[11:59] <Beuno_> under "gw"?  "gateway"?
[11:59] <nickrud> Nalioth, the database will see the new file and update automatically
[11:59] <PHPWannabe> I can't find preferences in system
[11:59] <paulfox> WillCooke, no, not yet
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[11:59] <dts> has anyone messed around with the background light on their monitor?
[11:59] <holy_cow> SaMRoX`, then do sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:59] <olorin> Beuno_:  gateway ipaddress
[11:59] <paulfox> i've tried formatting it, but i don't seem to delete any files when i run the mkdosfs command on it
[11:59] <holy_cow> SaMRoX`, let me know if you get stuck in any of those steps
[11:59] <k4rl> dts: with software you mean?
[11:59] <Beuno_> thanks!
[11:59] <nickrud> PHPWannabe, the menu at the top of the screen?
[11:59] <SaMRoX`> ok thx holy_cow, ill do it
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