[12:01] <_matej> google < NOTHING
[12:01] <PHPWannabe> Does anyone know how to set thunderbird as default email program?
[12:02] <kay> Evening
[12:08] <penguinboy> Evening Guys!!!!
[12:08] <spiritz> hi
[12:41] <PHPWannabe> Does anyone know how to set thunderbird as default email program?
[12:41] <bretzel> Hello: Q: I was used to see the klipper applet to show in gnome-panel, but on this hoary installation, klipper no-longer shows... ( ubunt-hoary + kubuntu-desktop )
[12:44] <GameCat> bretzel: hi - this channel is really for kubuntu - we mostly use kde - sorry I can't help
[12:45] <PHPWannabe> Can someone help me please?
[12:46] <PHPWannabe> I need to set Thunderbird as my default E-mail program...HOW?
[12:48] <GameCat> in the control centre > KDE Components > Component Chooser
[12:49] <GameCat> tell it in there where thunderbird is
[12:50] <GameCat> PHPWannabe: you get that?
[12:53] <PHPWannabe> GameCat: yes, thanks :)
[12:53] <GameCat> all is well then :)
[02:07] <amu> moin's
[02:10] <Riddell> morning amu
[02:11] <shapord> !
[02:11] <shapord> heh, here is Good night :b
[02:16] <kkathman> hey hey hey wazzup! :)
[02:18] <shapord> XD
[02:24] <amu> Riddell: moin :)
[02:24] <amu> Riddell: do you remember which url i find the bluethooth tools from motaboy ? 
[02:25] <Riddell> amu: http://dev.kubuntu.org.uk/~motaboy/ubuntu/
[02:25] <Riddell> april 4th, pretty sure he's done more recent changes
[02:26] <amu> thc
[02:26] <amu> s/c/x
[02:36] <kkathman> any LAMP-php developers here
[02:36] <kkathman> ?
[02:38] <mfilizzi> kkathman, I am.. what's up?
[02:39] <kkathman> mfilizzi:  do you happen to use Quanta for your dev tool?
[02:39] <mfilizzi> kkathman: I have in the past but not too much
[02:40] <kkathman> mfilizzi: well Im doing some previews, and Quanta's preview doesnt seem to support Flash...its a little irritating
[02:40] <kkathman> mfilizzi: just wondered if I could set something that would allow it to show properly
[02:41] <mfilizzi> kkathman: hmm I thought it used khtml for it so if konqueror supports it, then quanta should...
[02:41] <mfilizzi> let me check mine real quick
[02:41] <kkathman> mfilizzi: kewl thanx :)
[02:45] <mfilizzi> kkathman: is all you are seeing is a bunch of garbage instead of the flash?
[02:46] <kkathman> mfilizzi: yep just junk
[02:46] <mfilizzi> kkathman: apparently the internal preview doesn't do flash but the external ones do...
[02:46] <kkathman> mfilizzi: is there an external?
[02:47] <mfilizzi> kkathman: off of the view menu, there is a sub menu for external preview
[02:47] <kkathman> mfilizzi: ahhh ok...I'll check that out...thanks for your help!
[02:48] <mfilizzi> kkathman: any time
[02:57] <kkathman> mfilizzi: Do you know why Konqueror as the external preview would be showing the code, versus the executed site?  The others show the web site. Weird?
[03:09] <shapord> helpme please
[03:09] <shapord> my sound 
[03:10] <shapord> Card: SiS SI7012                                                                                   
[03:10] <shapord>  Chip: C-Media Electronics CMI9761
[03:10] <shapord> no work
[03:12] <amu> shapord: try a lsmod |grep snd-intel8x0
[03:15] <shapord> root@dandy:/home/shapord # lsmod |grep snd-intel8x0
[03:15] <shapord> root@dandy:/home/shapord #
[03:15] <shapord> nothing
[03:15] <shapord> :_(
[03:16] <shapord> my alsamixer, is working
[03:16] <shapord> but no sound
[03:16] <jsubl2> did u unmute it
[03:17] <shapord> ok
[03:18] <jsubl2> unmute at least master and pcm and raise the volume
[03:19] <jsubl2> and  cd if you are using that
[03:20] <shapord> mmm
[03:20] <shapord> mm nothing
[03:20] <shapord> my sound is perfect in win and mandriva
[03:21] <shapord> but kubuntu nope :_|
[03:21] <amu> shapord: what says cat /proc/asound/oss/sndstat
[03:23] <shapord> amu: priv
[03:23] <shapord> no flood :b
[03:25] <shapord> yep
[03:25] <shapord> Sound Driver:3.8.1a-980706 (ALSA v1.0.6 emulation code)
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[03:30] <shapord> amu: my sound is fine
[03:30] <shapord> volumen high
[03:30] <shapord> but no sound
[03:31] <jsubl2> what are you using to test
[03:31] <shapord> xmms, amarok (no motors engines), kaffeine
[03:31] <jsubl2> ogg file
[03:34] <shapord> nope
[03:34] <shapord> mp3
[03:34] <shapord> mpg
[03:36] <jsubl2> does kubuntu come with mp3 support?
[03:36] <shapord> mmm
[03:36] <shapord> i dont know
[03:36] <jsubl2> a lot of distro have abandon that and you have to add support for that after installation
[03:37] <shapord> mm ok
[03:37] <amu> jsubl2: nope
[03:49] <smouche> Hey folks.  Could a kind soul tell me how to get a list of color names to use in bash?  I tried man -k color name  but couldn't find a command to list all colors.  thanks
[03:53] <brenton> i'm getting a strange error when loading kde
[03:53] <brenton> after entering my username and pass, this dialog box appears
[03:53] <brenton> "Will not save configuration"
[03:54] <brenton> "Configuration file /home/brenton/.kde/share/config/ksplashrc is not writable"
[03:55] <brenton> I've looked at the permissions on that file, and nothing seems strange, and I don't know what would make kde start complaining all of a sudden
[04:07] <smouche> answering my own question :  the command I wanted is "showrgb"  Very cool.  Didn't know there were so many available color names!
[04:21] <shapord> thanks amu an jsubl2 , my sound is working.
[04:21] <jsubl2> great!
[04:21] <shapord> in kmix , parameters IEC958 is activate
[04:21] <shapord> Monitor Capture
[04:22] <shapord> this reason the problem
[04:23] <shapord> XD
[04:24] <jsubl2> i am making my first kubuntu deb
[04:24] <Riddell> jsubl2: ubercool
[04:24] <Riddell> jsubl2: what are you packagin?
[04:25] <jsubl2> Riddell: kdewebdev.. it is not installable on amd64
[04:26] <jsubl2> nice it completed yeah!!! woot!!
[04:26] <brenton> is suspending my laptop really safe? I understand that if my battery were to die, i would loose all unsaved data... but are there any other risks involved?
[04:27] <Riddell> jsubl2: hmm, strange, in hoary?
[04:28] <jsubl2> Riddell: yeah.. i just updated and checked again tonight.  I am not using the backports repos tho... what ever that is.  I am using universe and multiverse.
[04:29] <jsubl2> Riddell: i have used debian alot.. but still at a loss on some of the "ubuntu" terms.
[04:30] <jsubl2> Riddell: I am leaning toward signing up for the motokde.  it looks like i would have to add a page for myself on the wiki then sign up for the team.  is that right
[04:31] <brenton> on shutdown, i've never really used the suspend option in kde. is it safe? I know that if my battery were to die, i would loose all unsaved data. but aside from that, are there any other risks involved?
[04:31] <jsubl2> or motu i am mean
[04:32] <Riddell> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/k/kdewebdev/4:3.4.0-0ubuntu2/  kdewebdev compiled on amd64
[04:32] <Riddell> jsubl2: yep, make yourself a wiki page, sign up to the MOTUKDE page then make a package
[04:33] <jsubl2> Riddell: ok..   got any suggestions on a package needed or what?
[04:33] <Riddell> see HelpingKubuntu
[04:33] <jsubl2> Riddell: ok
[04:33] <Riddell> maybe Kapture would be a good start
[04:33] <Riddell> no, I'm thinking of Katapult
[04:34] <jsubl2> Riddell: ok..  I will check it out
[04:35] <Riddell> except that katapult doesn't work, but a package would be a good start :)
[04:36] <Pinguss> would you guys say kubuntu is as solide as ubuntu?  I know its pretty much the same system, but is it maintained in the same fashion?
[04:37] <jsubl2> Riddell: I will look under the helpingkubuntu wiki for things that interest me.
[04:41] <zabu> does kubuntu have something that zaps applications?
[04:49] <Riddell> Pinguss: yes it's maintained much the same
[04:49] <Riddell> zabu: zaps?
[04:56] <zabu> like kills off apps
[04:56] <zabu> kubuntu seems to kill firefox
[04:58] <jsubl2> zabu: how
[05:01] <kkathman> hey again, all :)
[05:01] <kkathman> zabu: I run kubuntu and it runs firefox fine
[05:02] <kkathman> zabu: But I'll admit that Opera runs a bit better
[05:17] <randabis> opera loads pages very slowly for me and I don't know why
[05:22] <kkathman> randabis: Gee even with only 512MB of memory it was easily the fastest browser for me, Konqueror was nearly as fast
[05:23] <randabis> kkathman: It was fast for me when I used it on windows a long time ago. I've never understood why it runs poorly for me in kubuntu
[05:23] <randabis> the program itself is very responsive
[05:23] <randabis> it just seems to have a large delay in page loading
[05:24] <randabis> it seems similar to when IPv6 is enabled in firefox
[05:24] <randabis> I've tried playing with numerous settings, etc with little success
[05:25] <kkathman> randabis: I noticed a little slow down when I try certain themes with Opera
[05:25] <zabu> firefox just goes 'blink' and dies
[05:25] <randabis> Well my latest tests have been with vanilla opera 8 from the site
[05:26] <randabis> previously I tried with opera 7
[05:26] <kkathman> Firefox did run poorly when I had 512mb ram, but seems peppier now with 1gb
[05:26] <randabis> My mileage for web browsing has been best with the latest firefox 1.0.3 from mozilla.org
[05:27] <randabis> I have low latency dual channel DDR400 512MB ram
[05:27] <kkathman> randabis: I think Im still at 1.0.2
[05:27] <randabis> konqueror comes in second
[05:27] <randabis> well third if you count mozilla suite
[05:28] <randabis> kkathman: yeah, I don't use the ubuntu builds because they aren't very good imho
[05:28] <kkathman> firefox takes a little more time to load, but the performance on loading sites is pretty comparable, tho maybe a tad bit slower than Opera
[05:28] <randabis> the official build from mozilla.org has always worked better for me
[05:28] <kkathman> welli downloaded both FF and Opera from their respective sites.
[05:29] <randabis> good :)
[05:29] <randabis> I would consider using opera again if I could figure out a fix for the problem with delayed page loading
[05:29] <randabis> once the delay ends the page loads quickly
[05:30] <kkathman> hmm...thats a stumper
[05:30] <kkathman> occasionally I get that with Opera also
[05:30] <randabis> Yeah I don't understand why it happens
[05:31] <kkathman> yeah I used to think it would be all my virus checks under Windows...but got none on my Linux
[05:33] <randabis> man, I could go for some orchata right now
[05:34] <kkathman> orchata?
[05:34] <randabis> rice water w/vanilla malt
[05:35] <randabis> it's really good
[05:35] <randabis> tastes a lot better than it sounds
[05:36] <kkathman> hmmm ok I'll take your word for it :)
[05:46] <kkathman> so anyone got any killer wallpaper sites?
[05:52] <randabis> kkathman: deviantart is usually pretty good
[05:59] <kkathman> randabis: yeah it is...usually has some unusual things too :)
[05:59] <kkathman> hey chavo wassup?
[06:03] <chavo> hello everyone.
[06:14] <thechris> i need to change my resolution above 640x480, what file does kubuntu use for this?
[06:15] <incubii> thechris, kubuntu uses the Xorg xserver, you can edit the file /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:16] <incubii> but you should be able to change the resolution through the kcontrol centre
[06:16] <thechris> it only does 320 or 640
[06:16] <thechris> neither of which are in my xorg.conf
[06:16] <incubii> maybe your video driver is incorrect then
[06:17] <incubii> or your refresh rates for your monitor
[06:17] <thechris> possibly the refresh rates.
[06:17] <thechris> i assume i can use xorgconfig
[06:17] <incubii> you can if you know what you are doing
[06:20] <kkathman> thechris: yeah, please read your monitor specs and the man page before you go tampering too much :)
[06:22] <thechris> ahh, kubuntu apparently doesn't set horizsync or vert refresh
[06:25] <thechris> that fixed it
[06:26] <kkathman> fixed what?
[06:27] <thechris> kubuntu didn't set my monitor up, or even attempt to.  i just fixed it
[06:28] <thechris> hmm, octave isn't in the package list...
[06:32] <kkathman> hey smouche :)
[06:32] <smouche> kkathman, hi
[06:32] <smouche> how are you?
[06:33] <kkathman> thechris: hmm thats odd...did you install kubuntu or ubuntu + apt-get install kubuntu-desktop?
[06:33] <kkathman> smouche: Im doing good and yerself?
[06:33] <thechris> i installed kubuntu.
[06:34] <thechris> it found what monitor i have, but didn't set the horizSync or vertRefresh
[06:34] <kkathman> thechris: ahhh thats why...should always install ubuntu plain 1st, then just install kubuntu-desktop
[06:35] <kkathman> thechris: what did your monitor look like?  Im just curious :)
[06:35] <smouche> not bad.  tired though-- I'm actually gonna hit the sack before 1:00 am - for a change...
[06:36] <kkathman> smouche: well thats good, good nights sleep never hurt anyone
[06:36] <smouche> unless it's on the railroad tracks, or something...
[06:36] <kkathman> smouche: hehe true
[06:36] <smouche> have a good one, kkathman
[06:37] <kkathman> smouche: u2 man...
[06:38] <incubii> while your solution works kkathman , you should be able to install kubuntu and get the same level of configuration :P
[06:40] <kkathman> incubii: I absolutely agree, but most dont, unfortunately :)
[06:43] <incubii> :D
[06:44] <incubii> yay for free stuff
[06:44] <thechris> my monitor was fine, exceprt for the low res.  the color was fine.
[06:46] <thechris> ok, i guess kdevelop is out as well?
[06:51] <incubii> its not in default
[06:51] <incubii> 'sudo apt-get install kdevelop' will get it for you
[06:52] <incubii> gcc and g++ is in there though just not configured
[06:52] <incubii> 'sudo apt-get install gcc g++' will configure them for usage
[06:52] <thechris> kdevelop isn't in the package list
[06:53] <thechris> nor is octave
[06:53] <incubii> you need to add more repositories
[06:53] <incubii> edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:53] <incubii> uncomment all of them
[06:53] <incubii> and on the ones with universe add multiverse after it :)
[06:53] <incubii> then apt-get update
[06:53] <incubii> :D
[06:54] <incubii> i suggest going to the ubuntu site and reading some of the guides
[07:00] <incubii> so you can understand how ubuntu does some of the things it does :)
[07:00] <kkathman> incubii: is it my imagination but does linux just not do as good a job with fonts as windows does?
[07:01] <incubii> no you are correct
[07:01] <kkathman> things just dont look as crisp in browsing
[07:01] <incubii> but you can turn on sub pixel AA
[07:01] <incubii> or install the MS font pack
[07:01] <kkathman> is that an apt pkg?
[07:01] <incubii> there was someone in here that installed some adobe font pack as well thats meant to be nice
[07:01] <incubii> i think so
[07:02] <incubii> may not be
[07:02] <incubii> theres a tutorial on ubuntu about it
[07:02] <kkathman> ahh on the guide I suppose?
[07:02] <incubii> yea
[07:02] <kkathman> kewl, thanx incubii :)
[07:02] <incubii> the subpixel rendering that you can configure in kcontrol was enough for me
[07:05] <incubii> im confident that advances with xorg and freetype will improve them greatly
[07:05] <kkathman> I'll try that too, there are things about adding fonts mostly for character sets, but not readability
[07:05] <kkathman> its especially bad when you have white on black
[07:06] <chx_> hi. How can I change the video driver? I did apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx , what's next?
[07:07] <incubii> i have white on black now in my xchat windows all the time
[07:07] <incubii> it looks perfectly fine
[07:07] <incubii> looks like shit without subpixeling though :)
[07:09] <kkathman> incubii: did you use RGB and full for your settings?
[07:12] <chx_> answer to myself: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[07:15] <kkathman> wow that subpixeling does make a big difference
[07:16] <kkathman> I'd still like to find out how to get the MS Fonts tho
[07:16] <thechris> you mean corefonts?
[07:17] <kkathman> well incubii mentioned ms fonts earlier, thechris 
[07:19] <kkathman> I guess they are the core fonts :)
[07:22] <kkathman> anyone know the debian repos by chance?
[07:24] <jsubl2> deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian testing main contrib non-free
[07:25] <kkathman> kewl, thanks jsubl2  :)  
[07:25] <jsubl2> deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian unstable main contrib non-free
[07:25] <jsubl2> :)
[07:25] <kkathman> jsubl2: Im trying to get the msttcorefonts
[07:25] <jsubl2> wifey is still running debian.. she hates change
[07:26] <kkathman> lol I wish I could get my wife to run linux
[07:26] <kkathman> all she does is use Quicken and surf the net
[07:26] <jsubl2> no quicken alternative is there
[07:26] <jsubl2> win4linux i guess would prolly run it
[07:26] <jsubl2> kkathman: i forced her to try it
[07:27] <jsubl2> that was a year ago
[07:27] <kkathman> jsubl2: right...well if I could find her a checkbook program like Quicken, she'd move I suppose
[07:28] <jsubl2> tis great not to have a win box to fight virus and such with
[07:29] <kkathman> jsubl2: or that damn registry!!!
[07:29] <jsubl2> yeah
[07:30] <jsubl2> a year ago that virus outbreak was pretty bad.. so i made her change
[07:31] <kkathman> well, I tend to travel alot, and have for years, so she does all the bill paying and keeps the checkbook up to date, and Quicken really does make her job very easy 
[07:31] <jsubl2> you just have to dumn it down.. she  has desktop icons like email, web, camera......
[07:31] <kkathman> ohh dang I got that public key error
[07:31] <mrmanic> I think crossover runs quicken 2005.
[07:31] <kkathman> GPG error
[07:32] <kkathman> gotta find my notes on how to fix that
[07:40] <mrmanic> kkathman: crossover runs some kind of quicken, as well as quickbooks.
[07:40] <kkathman> hmm anyone know how to fix the NO PUBKEY errors?
[07:40] <kkathman> thanks mrmanic :)
[07:41] <kkathman> W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.us.debian.org testing Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY F1D53D8C4F368D5D
[07:41] <mrmanic> I don't know how to fix that one.
[07:43] <kkathman> hmm I got a link..let me see
[07:45] <kkathman> ahhh crap I need a different key :(
[07:47] <kkathman> oh well that doesnt work :(
[07:48] <kkathman> sucks that ubuntu doesnt have that package :(
[07:53] <chx_> help! I forgot my wallet password! help!
[07:54] <kkathman> uh oh
[07:55] <MichaelDiederich> i have a short question: In the moment i use debian unstable and i think, i want to switch to (k)unbutu. I only have a limited traffic, but i have a access to an debian apt server. So how many pakets are equil?
[07:57] <kkathman> Id suggest installing ubuntu, then apt-getting the kubuntu-desktop
[07:57] <kkathman> but I have no idea how many packets
[07:57] <MichaelDiederich> yes, i thought so..
[07:57] <MichaelDiederich> some i can get in the university
[07:58] <kkathman> you can get a download of ubuntu from the download site..then everything else is apt-get
[07:58] <MichaelDiederich> and mainly debian pakets?
[07:58] <kkathman> its a good CD's worth
[07:58] <kkathman> MichaelDiederich: well they arent just one for one Debian pkgs, but the methodology is the same
[07:59] <kkathman> its a very fast install actually
[07:59] <kkathman> the download takes time tho
[07:59] <kkathman> you can request a free CD
[08:00] <MichaelDiederich> so it would be "hoary" and ubuntu-5.04-install-i386.iso ?
[08:00] <MichaelDiederich> for a 586
[08:00] <MichaelDiederich> gee, 686
[08:00] <kkathman> yes its an x86
[08:01] <MichaelDiederich> well, just found kubuntu-5.04-install-i386.iso
[08:01] <kkathman> but I'd still do the hoary install, which will setup gnome, then do the apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[08:01] <MichaelDiederich> okay, thank you very much
[08:02] <kkathman> sure no prob
[08:08] <chx_> how could I configure konversation so that it does not flash it's button in the taskbar? it's very annoying.
[08:09] <kkathman> bbiam
[08:10] <thechris> i hate c
[08:11] <kkathman> hehe
[08:11] <chx_> how could I configure konversation so that it does not flash it's button in the taskbar? it's very annoying.
[08:11] <thechris> what is the syntacx for "for"
[08:12] <chx_> #konversation is no help
[08:16] <shad0w1e> something happened to my kubuntu.... it turned into plain KDE.. any idea how to get my kubuntu back?
[08:22] <kkathman> has anyone tried to install fonts in KDE
[08:23] <Riddell> kkathman: fonts:/  should do it
[08:23] <shreck> Hello all :)
[08:23] <Riddell> hello shreck 
[08:24] <shreck> Hi Riddell 
[08:24] <shreck> Can you help me about Kubuntu ??
[08:24] <Riddell> not unless I know the problem
[08:25] <shreck> Ok :)
[08:25] <shreck> So, i want to change the language of my Kubuntu, but how :s ?
[08:25] <shreck> French package and English package are install but my Kubuntu is in English ...
[08:26] <Riddell> shreck: oh yes, the language packs arn't on the CD, need to hunt down pitti about that
[08:27] <Riddell> anyway  sudo apt-get install kde-i18n-fr
[08:27] <shreck> Kynaptic said Frenck package are install oO
[08:27] <shreck> okay i try
[08:27] <shreck> Thak you very much Riddell  ^
[08:27] <shreck> +n +^
[08:27] <kkathman> Riddell: Well I have managed to install the MS true type fonts, but I need to put them in KDE now. In ths Font installer, it asks me where I want to install them to, but I have no idea :)
[08:28] <kkathman> I also dont want to install to many due to that bug in XFEE
[08:28] <kkathman> XFREE
[08:28] <shreck> Impossible to find the package blablabla :s
[09:29] <amichai> i  just installed kubuntu from the kubuntu cd and konqueror keeps crashing, when i start amarok, when i browse files, when i delete files, etc
[09:29] <amichai> whats up with that?
[09:30] <amichai> any ideas?
[09:30] <amichai> it didnt do that when i apt-get it a few days ago
[09:30] <xamdm> try a online update
[09:31] <amichai> xamdm: i try, but the kde-libs files gives me an error
[09:31] <xamdm> it conflicts with knetworkconf ??
[09:32] <xamdm> if so, just remove knetworkconf run the update and then reinstall kubuntu-desktop
[09:34] <amichai> xamdm: what is knetworkconf?
[09:34] <amichai> xamdm: i didnt even mention that
[09:35] <amichai> xamdm: unless kde-libs is the same thing
[09:35] <xamdm> amichai, its just a tool to configure network, kubuntu-desktop reinstalls it
[09:35] <xamdm> amichai, what happen when trying to install kde-libs "error-message"
[09:35] <amichai> xamdm: YES
[09:35] <amichai> xamdm: yes
[09:36] <xamdm> just show me the error please
[09:36] <amichai> xamdm: ok :)
[09:37] <amichai> xamdm: give me a sec plz
[09:37] <xamdm> np
[09:38] <amichai> xamdm: E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[09:38] <amichai> xamdm:kdelibs-data
[09:39] <amichai> xamdm: do i need to force-overwrite?
[09:39] <xamdm> hm, nothing else ??
[09:39] <xamdm> try another apt-get update and a apt-get install -f
[09:39] <amichai> xamdm: yeah.
[09:40] <amichai> xamdm: dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4%3a3.4.0-0ubuntu3.1_all.deb (--unpack):
[09:40] <amichai> xamdm: trying to overwrite `/usr/share/icons/default.kde', which is also in package knetworkconf
[09:40] <xamdm> amichai apt-get remove knetworkconf
[09:40] <amichai> xamdm: Errors were encountered while processing:
[09:40] <amichai> xamdm: ok
[09:41] <xamdm> then do the update and then apt-get install kubuntu-desktop (is removed with knetwokconf)
[09:42] <xamdm> sometimes the Desktop setiings get modified, kmenu removed etc., just add them again and everything is fine again
[09:42] <amichai> xamdm: ok it worked.
[09:43] <amichai> xamdm: well its a fresh install. last time i played around like this though, konqueror switched from being very super fast to being the slowest browsers ever...took like 20 sec, from 1 sec
[09:43] <xamdm> for me its fast , realy fat :-)
[09:44] <amichai> xamdm: i know that what i mean, so why would that change?
[09:44] <xamdm> don't know
[09:45] <amichai> xamdm: crap. thanx man for the help
[09:45] <xamdm> don't forget to install kubuntu-desktop!! after the update
[09:47] <amichai> xamdm: already did
[09:50] <xamdm> ok, after a new login some items in kicker  will be missing, just add them again ;-)
[09:51] <amichai> xamdm: is there a kde equivalent to gftp ?
[09:51] <amichai> xamdm: u mean on my bar?
[09:51] <xamdm> yes
[09:51] <amichai> xamdm: or a frontend, i like the app just want a kde style
[09:52] <xamdm> gftp, hm kbear krusader
[09:52] <amichai> xamdm: which one is better? kbear or krusader?
[09:52] <xamdm> amichai, install gtk-qt-engine
[09:52] <amichai> xamdm: what does that do?
[09:52] <xamdm> both are good, test it :-)
[09:53] <xamdm> gtk-qt engine makes gftp look like a kde-app :-)
[09:53] <xamdm> just have to configure it in kcontrol
[09:53] <amichai> xamdm: it cant find it
[09:53] <xamdm> wait a sec
[09:53] <amichai> xamdm: k
[09:54] <xamdm> gtk2-engines-gtk-qt
[09:55] <amichai> xamdm: and from where do i configure that?
[09:56] <xamdm> kcontrol, look and feel
[09:56] <xamdm> hope thats right, i am german ;-)
[09:56] <xamdm> look for gtk styles and fonts
[09:56] <amichai> xamdm: nice
[09:57] <amichai> xamdm: is there a way to get flash to work in konqueror?
[09:57] <xamdm> just change the settings and than to look like kde again, then it should work :-)
[09:57] <xamdm> hm, just install it for firefox, then it should work in konqueror
[09:58] <xamdm> ore try flashplugin-nonfree with apt-get
[09:59] <amichai> xamdm: thanx man
[09:59] <xamdm> np
[10:01] <amichai> xamdm: yeah the nonfree one is what the #kde ppl told me too
[10:02] <xamdm> are jou using apt-get ore kynaptic ??
[10:03] <amichai> apt-get
[10:03] <amichai> xamdm: y?
[10:03] <xamdm> sry :-)
[10:04] <amichai> xamdm: sry for what?
[10:04] <xamdm> my bad english
[10:04] <xamdm> i just noticed that kynaptich often works bad
[10:07] <amichai> xamdm: it worked for me, what doesnt work with it? i use apt-get cos its faster
[10:09] <xamdm> if a error happens kynaptic often doesn't show me the error, just stops
[10:10] <amichai> xamdm: does amarok work for u?
[10:10] <xamdm> yes
[10:11] <xamdm> which engine do jou use with it ??, gstreamer ??, i use the xine-engine
[10:11] <amichai> xamdm: yeah i think so.
[10:12] <xamdm> it still crashes for you ??
[10:12] <amichai> xamdm: i use gstreamer
[10:12] <xamdm> maybe switch to xine, is faster for me
[10:13] <amichai> xamdm: let me start x again
[10:17] <Almindor> how do I change my locale info?
[10:19] <Riddell> Almindor: use kcontrol
[10:20] <Almindor> that's only for KDE
[10:20] <Almindor> I mean the linux locales
[10:20] <Almindor> lang variable etc.
[10:20] <Almindor> (In KDE I got slovak, but in locales I got english)
[10:21] <amichai> xamdm: i lost my kmail app man!
[10:21] <xamdm> ??
[10:22] <xamdm> just reinstall it
[10:22] <amichai> xamdm: kmail is already the newest version.
[10:22] <xamdm> apt-get install kmail --reinstall
[10:22] <xamdm> if jou can run it from konsole, then just make a new link in kmenu
[10:23] <xamdm> i don't use kmail, for me it has problems with utf(
[10:23] <xamdm> utf8 i meant
[10:24] <amichai> xamdm: cos of german?
[10:24] <xamdm> amichai, ??
[10:25] <xamdm> don't know some mails contain strange icons in kimail
[10:25] <amichai> xamdm: the utf8 issue?
[10:25] <xamdm> i have a local imap-server so i can test any mail-app, and only kmail has this problems
[10:26] <xamdm> yes it has only problems with german letters
[10:26] <amichai> xamdm: ah ok
[10:29] <spiral> hi
[10:29] <xamdm> amichai, hm changed it to iso-standart and everything looks fine, so i can use kamil now :-)
[10:29] <xamdm> hi
[10:30] <amichai> xamdm: cool
[10:31] <xamdm> amichai, is there a way to hide ore remove the local folder ??
[10:41] <amichai> xamdm: ur home folder?
[10:43] <xamdm> the local-folder in kmail, i don't need it, because of the imap ...
[10:44] <amichai> xamdm: no idea man, 
[10:45] <amichai> xamdm: what is the best anti-spam and anti-virus for kmail?
[10:46] <xamdm> amichai, the clamav is free, and hast a kmail plugin
[10:46] <amichai> xamdm: is clamav good?
[10:46] <xamdm> yes
[10:47] <amichai> xamdm: what about anti-spam?
[10:47] <xamdm> i don't need it on my computer (my mailserver filters everything)
[10:47] <xamdm> look for klamav @ www.kde-apps.org
[10:47] <xamdm> spamassasin
[10:48] <xamdm> but howto configure it for kmail i don't know, im filetring everythin on my server which uses a cyrus-imap server
[10:49] <amichai> xamdm: cool
[10:50] <xamdm> amichai, yes it is great, so if i am booting to windows ore freebsd i can still read my mails ;-)
[10:50] <amichai> xamdm: oh that is cool though, flexibility
[10:51] <xamdm> amichai, yes and save :-)
[10:51] <xamdm> secure i meant
[10:52] <amichai> xamdm: thats the most important
[10:53] <xamdm> Yes, im using a raid5 array so if a harddisk fails in the server no data is lost, and if i reinstall my computer i don't need any backup :-)
[10:57] <xamdm> amichai, if you search for spammasassin try apt-cache search spam 
[10:57] <amichai> xamdm: man do u supply such service to companies?
[10:57] <amichai> xamdm: i found it
[10:57] <xamdm> amichai, with apt-cache show package-name it will give jou a description
[10:58] <xamdm> amichai, no i just have to much time .-)
[10:59] <amichai> xamdm: u could make good money from that. i know i would.
[10:59] <amichai> xamdm: charging for ur time
[11:00] <xamdm> thx
[11:02] <amichai> xamdm: tell u the truth, if i could do it for free id rather
[11:03] <xamdm> amichai, im doing it the ubuntu way, so it is for free :-)
[11:03] <xamdm> i'm trying to become part of the kubuntu-team ....
[11:03] <harald> in irssi, alt+left/right for switching windows works with Konsole but not xterm... any ideas why?
[11:07] <amichai> harald: dont know sry man
[11:09] <amichai> xamdm: ud never charge ppl?
[11:10] <amichai> xamdm: how do u become part of the team?
[11:11] <xamdm> xamdm, im talking to the guys in IRC and show them the things i did on Kde-look.org ;-)
[11:11] <xamdm> amichai, charge ??, sry for my bad english
[11:13] <amichai> xamdm: bezahlt werden
[11:15] <xamdm> amichai, no, i only take mony if i visit people and repair there computers
[11:15] <amichai> xamdm: thats what i mean. u ask for money for ur time
[11:16] <amichai> xamdm: when it means going out of ur way to travel there
[11:16] <xamdm> ah, ok
[11:16] <Riddell> xamdm: hello
[11:16] <xamdm> hi Riddell 
[11:17] <Riddell> xamdm: "trying to become part of the kubuntu-team" caught my eye
[11:17] <xamdm> Riddell, yes i would like to do my part, im workless at the moment i*d like to do some artwotk etc
[11:18] <xamdm> and help people here in IRC :-)
[11:18] <Riddell> cool
[11:18] <amichai> how come in konqueror when u dowload it doesnt tell u the total, but instead tells u how much its done. like it always shows 100% even though it iesnt and then it says 4.0 mb of 4.0
[11:19] <Riddell> xamdm: seen this page?  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KubuntuArtwork
[11:19] <xamdm> i did a usplash theme a time ago, im trying to buila splashy theme at the moment ...
[11:19] <xamdm> Riddell, there is already somethin fro me :-)
[11:19] <Riddell> xamdm: oh aye.  of course usplash might not happen
[11:19] <xamdm> Riddell, a grub splash, someone reworked it an the usplash
[11:20] <xamdm> Riddell, switched to splashy 
[11:20] <Riddell> what's needed is new artwork for breezy
[11:20] <xamdm> Riddell, ore will ubuntu/kubuntu not use anything of those ??
[11:20] <xamdm> Riddell, ah the next release, il test it tomrow, just need to install it in vmware
[11:20] <Riddell> unified isolinux, usplash (or whatever replaces it), kdm, ksplash, background etc
[11:20] <Riddell> SVG based
[11:21] <xamdm> Riddell, il do my very best may take a few days
[11:21] <Riddell> xamdm: they seem to be talking about  cat foo.jpg > /dev/fb0  rather than something as complex as usplash
[11:21] <xamdm> Riddell, any Colour wishes ??
[11:21] <Riddell> xamdm: use the KDE palette
[11:21] <Riddell> http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=Colors
[11:22] <Riddell> something blueish
[11:22] <xamdm> Riddell, ok, hm splashy (new name for usplash) has a few nice features now, like error messages etc
[11:22] <Riddell> oh and if you can come up with 6 months worth of kubuntu calendar images that would be perfect
[11:22] <xamdm> Riddell, bleu is my favourite colour so ....
[11:23] <xamdm> Riddell, ill try ...
[11:23] <xamdm> Riddell, may take a few days my mainbords is broken so i use a old machine which is abit slower ...
[11:24] <Riddell> well no rush, we have 5 months :)
[11:25] <xamdm> Riddell, so if have something nice i will upload it to kde-look and place a link in the wiki :-)
[11:26] <Riddell> great
[11:26] <xamdm> Riddell, did you see the sings form segfault on kde-look ??, that also looks great
[11:26] <Riddell> URL?
[11:30] <xamdm> wait a moment
[11:31] <xamdm> Riddell, its also in the Wiki
[11:31] <xamdm> Riddell, http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=22582
[11:43] <xamdm> Riddell, also interested in a Windeco ??, tryind this at the moment, but will tkae much longer than the wallpaer stuff
[11:46] <amichai> what firewall is good with kubuntu?
[11:48] <Riddell> amichai: why would you need a firewall?
[11:48] <Riddell> xamdm: possibly.  I think it would be nice to have a subtle change on the plastik decoration, like we use lipstik instead of platik for widgets
[11:48] <Riddell> xamdm: current thinking is to put a kubuntu logo in there somehow (and very subtle)
[11:49] <amichai> Riddell: just to be xtra safe
[11:49] <xamdm> Riddell, ill do my very best 
[11:49] <Riddell> amichai: kubuntu has nothing open by default so there's nothing to firewall
[11:50] <xamdm> i installed shorewall :-)
[11:50] <amichai> i just installe firestarter
[11:50] <amichai> Riddell: so it makes no difference?
[11:51] <Riddell> amichai: it's concievable you could be cracked via say http and an ssh server installed
[11:51] <Riddell> unlikely on a desktop machine
[11:51] <xamdm> amichai, when nothing is listening on a port u can't use it for a attack ;-)
[11:51] <spiral> Riddell: on my laptop, I've got a lot of servers... it depends of the use we have :-p
[11:51] <amichai> nice. will it have a negative effect if i leave it on, will it slow down my net?
[11:52] <Riddell> amichai: no
[11:52] <spiral> hmmm, is it normal that kdebluetooth is not in apt base from breezy ?
[11:52] <amichai> so i'll keep it ;)
[11:53] <amichai> is there an unofficial kubuntu guide?
[11:53] <Riddell> spiral: yes, we'll get it in though
[11:53] <Riddell> amichai: not yet, an official one is being worked on and there was discussion of making a kubuntu version of ubuntuguide.org on the mailing list
[11:53] <spiral> Riddell: should I install it by any other mean until it's in breezy ?
[11:54] <amichai> how do i access breezy?
[11:54] <Riddell> spiral: you can grab the packages from http://dev.kubuntu.org.uk/~motaboy/ubuntu/
[11:54] <xamdm> Riddell, we mailt a few days ago, you are the one who made the Kubuntu-wallpaer aren't you ??
[11:54] <Riddell> xamdm: that'll be me
[11:55] <Riddell> amichai: change sources.list, beware breezy will break spectacularly in the not too distant future
[11:55] <spiral> Riddell: thanks
[11:55] <Riddell> xamdm: grab yourself a wiki page and add yourself to KubuntuPeople
[11:55] <spiral> Riddell: have you got any news of mtaskbar in breezy ?
[11:55] <amichai> Riddell: thanx
[11:56] <xamdm> Riddell, sry but that was to english for me, what means grab ??
[11:56] <Riddell> spiral: motaboy also has packages there as you can see, I think it needs another reviewer or so then can be uploaded
[11:56] <spiral> Riddell: it's not mtaskbar... isn't it ?
[11:56] <Riddell> xamdm: make a new wiki page for yourself if you don't have one, then you can be a Kubuntu person
[11:56] <Riddell> spiral: oh mtaskbar, what's that?
[11:57] <xamdm> Riddell, ok ill do that, have to go now, Lunch is there :-), see jou later
[11:57] <spiral> Riddell: a taskbar list of tasks replacement
[11:57] <Riddell> spiral: should I have heard of it?
[11:57] <spiral> when you fly over a task name, you see a preview of its window
[11:57] <spiral> Riddell: I don't know
[12:00] <Riddell> now that is fun
[12:01] <Riddell> kicker has the flat look by default now I thnk
[12:02] <Riddell> those popups though, that's fun
[12:02] <Riddell> spiral: you should try and get it uploaded to universe
[12:03] <`TUX``> i have a keimap  error  on boot
[12:04] <`TUX``> *key
[12:05] <Riddell> in KDE or everywhere?
[12:05] <`TUX``> uhmm  just a  moment
[12:05] <`TUX``> i ll try to  past  it
[12:06] <spiral> Riddell: I'll try... but I don't know how to make it uploaded to universe
[12:08] <spiral> `TUX``: something about /etc/console/boot.keymap.gz ?
[12:09] <Riddell> spiral: add yourself to http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MOTUKDE
[12:09] <`TUX``> ues spiral
[12:09] <`TUX``> yes
[12:09] <spiral> `TUX``: I've got the same problem... Under breezy ?
[12:09] <Riddell> spiral: then add the pacakge to http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MOTUNewPackages
[12:09] <`TUX``> yes  spiral
[12:09] <Riddell> obviously make sure the package is of a high quality first
[12:09] <`TUX``> on two  Pc
[12:10] <Riddell> then find 3 people to review it (me, motaboy, maybe amu)
[12:10] <Riddell> then we'll upload!
[12:10] <`TUX``> francesco@francesco:~$ sudo install-keymap it
[12:10] <`TUX``> KDSKBENT: Invalid argument
[12:10] <`TUX``> fallito il collegamento del tasto 255 al valore 8293
[12:10] <`TUX``> but  it is in italian 
[12:11] <spiral> `TUX``: I created a /etc/rcS.d/S99local containing 'loadkeys fr' to keep my keyboard working
[12:11] <spiral> `TUX``: it's kind of a hack, but it works
[12:11] <spiral> `TUX``: and I did install-keymap KERNEL
[12:12] <spiral> Riddell: I should click on "Join" ?
[12:14] <amichai> hey how come my monitors frequencies are not listed in xorg?
[12:16] <spiral> Riddell: I should add myself to the list by editing the wiki ?
[12:17] <Riddell> spiral: yep
[12:19] <spiral> Riddell: so I just have to add my name in the "add a comment" field ?
[12:19] <spiral> and to click on "add a comment" ?
[12:19] <spiral> I don't wanna mess up the wiki
[12:20] <Riddell> spiral: you should get a wiki page, see JonathanRiddell for an example
[12:20] <Riddell> then edit the KubuntuPeople and MOTUNewPackages pages
[12:22] <spiral> Riddell: all right... I've gotta go... I'll try to do this in a few hours
[12:22] <spiral> thanks
[12:23] <Riddell> groovy
[12:27] <jsgotangco> damn im tired
[12:29] <Riddell> jsgotangco: why's that?  been in BoFs all day?
[12:30] <jsgotangco> Riddell, almost but i slept like 1am hehe
[12:30] <Riddell> I was up for a 7 o'clock swim, very cool
[12:30] <jsgotangco> hmm
[12:30] <jsgotangco> i will try that tommorow
[12:31] <jsgotangco> i see that's why you had that pool pic
[12:31] <jsgotangco> hehe
[12:32] <Riddell> hmm, am I late for dinner?
[12:32] <jsgotangco> hmmm no there's still in global and some guys playing mao
[12:35] <Riddell> KDE user spotted http://www.schoolnet.na/haiti/page11.html
[12:37] <jsgotangco> Riddell, dinner time
[12:52] <verden01> Hi
[01:22] <verden01> has anyone thought about getting Libranet 3?
[01:25] <Riddell> verden01: what is it?
[01:42] <verden01> Libranet 3 is a Debian based distro   www.libranet.com
[02:34] <flames> hi, i can't choose in amarok the xine engine just arts, although xine is installed, arts works with local files, but when i try play stream, it's freeze, how can i switch to xine engine?
[02:35] <Riddell> install amarok-xine
[02:36] <flames> thx!
[02:36] <flames> works fine :-)
[02:55] <randabis> :)
[03:03] <pupe> Buenas
[03:03] <pupe> Volvi!
[03:03] <pupe> Desinstale Ubuntu y ahora instale ubuntu
[03:04] <randabis> no comprehendo
[03:07] <KaiL_> sounds spanish..
[03:07] <KaiL_> I bet he wanted to say us, that he does a reinstall
[03:07] <randabis> Perhaps
[03:08] <randabis> I only know enough spanish to get me in trouble at bars
[03:10] <KaiL_> lol
[03:40] <smouche> pupe, tiene preguntas o problemas con su instalacion?
[03:41] <smouche> pupe, mejor habla ingles aqui -- use English, so we don't tee people off
[03:43] <pupe> Como hago para tener mi kubuntu en espal?
[03:43] <smouche> ah , he installed kubuntu!
[03:43] <pupe> i want kubuntu in spanish ( kde )
[03:43] <KaiL> apt-get install language-pack-es
[03:44] <smouche> I'm not sure, pupe, but there are wiki pages in Spanish
[03:44] <pupe> yes, but i want Kde in spanish
[03:44] <smouche> pupe, KaiL told you
[03:45] <pupe> ok..
[03:45] <pupe> i have a question
[03:45] <smouche> KaiL - does that need sudo?  pupe :  apt-get install language-pacj-es
[03:45] <smouche> oops
[03:45] <KaiL> yes
[03:45] <smouche> pupe, sudo apt-get install language-pack-es
[03:45] <KaiL> ever seen a command line in this room, which does not need sudo? :)
[03:46] <smouche> lol
[03:46] <smouche> sudo never hurts
[03:46] <pupe> how ksynaptic connect to other server, like gsynaptic
[03:46] <pupe> how??
[03:46] <smouche> pupe, install synaptic, si quieres.
[03:47] <pupe> how?
[03:47] <smouche> sudo apt-get install synaptic  - I assume...
[03:48] <pupe> hablas espaol?
[03:49] <smouche> pues, estoy escribiendolo, no?  Hablo como una vaca francesa.
[03:49] <smouche> pupe -- we should use English in here
[03:49] <smouche> pupe, I recommend you read http://proyectos.gsol.ws/ubuntu4.10/
[03:50] <smouche> information in Spanish for ubuntu in general, helpful even if using kde.
[03:52] <smouche> buena suerte, pupe.  I need to go to work!  Ciao.
[03:52] <pupe> apt-get install kde-i18n-es          I download that but in perzonalizer the kde always esta ingles and yo quiero esdpaol
[03:53] <KaiL> relogin 
[03:54] <pupe> bash say that
[03:54] <pupe> root@Ubuntu:/home/pupe # apt-get install kde-i18n-es
[03:54] <pupe> Leyendo lista de paquetes... Hecho
[03:54] <pupe> Creando rbol de dependencias... Hecho
[03:54] <pupe> E: No se pudo encontrar el paquete kde-i18n-es
[03:56] <KaiL> you need to enable "universe" in /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:56] <KaiL> eh, no, you don't...
[03:57] <KaiL> "apt-get update" before
[03:57] <pupe> What yo habilitar universe
[03:57] <KaiL> there's a line with "universe" at it's end
[03:57] <KaiL> ..and a # at it's beginning
[03:57] <KaiL> remove the #
[04:02] <pupe> THANKS
[04:02] <pupe> YOU ARE GREAT GUY'S!
[04:03] <pupe> YO RESOLVE MY PROBLEM SO FAST
[04:03] <pupe> MUCHAS THANKS
[04:03] <amichai> if anyone can help me, i just lost all my keyboard layouts, and i have an icon saying error instead of showing a flag, any ideas?
[04:07] <amichai> anybody?
[04:08] <KaiL> error? flag?
[04:15] <amichai> KaiL: u know how for different layouts u have a flag on ur bar?
[04:15] <KaiL> ah, that one
[04:15] <amichai> KaiL: keyboard layout
[04:15] <KaiL> if you klick on it, you get an option to set the layouts.. doesn't this work any more?
[04:15] <amichai> KaiL: when i go the control panel to add layout, its empty, no layouts. 
[04:16] <KaiL> oops
[04:16] <amichai> KaiL: no. i just installed ati so it changed the xorg
[04:16] <amichai> KaiL: but i dont see in my xorg backup that kde used xorg for its layout
[04:17] <KaiL>     Option "XkbRules"   "xorg"
[04:17] <KaiL> that's the interesting line I guess...
[04:19] <amichai> KaiL: yeah...hinting?
[04:20] <amichai> KaiL: ok i sorted it
[04:24] <kkathman> greetings all :)
[04:27] <NTolerance> greets
[04:27] <NTolerance> hopefully the script in the topic will fix my kde desktop
[04:27] <NTolerance> got hosed up bad
[04:29] <NTolerance> i'm a noob to this channel...how come there are no ops?
[04:29] <kkathman> there arent any ops just cuz no need I suppose
[04:30] <kkathman> NTolerance: what happened to your KDE?
[04:30] <NTolerance> panel quit
[04:30] <NTolerance> systray quit
[04:30] <NTolerance> all i have are my launch icons
[04:30] <NTolerance> at the bottom
[04:31] <NTolerance> same thing that's been described on the forums
[04:31] <NTolerance> i just hope my .kde profile is OK
[04:31] <NTolerance> spent a lot of time setting that up
[04:31] <kkathman> NTolerance:  do you have your kicker at the bottom?
[04:31] <NTolerance> pardon my noobness, but i have what i would call the equivalent of the windows quick launch bar
[04:31] <NTolerance> that's it
[04:32] <NTolerance> script didn't fix the problem
[04:32] <NTolerance> :(
[04:32] <kkathman> NTolerance: hmm did this come about when you tried to do the update yesterday?
[04:32] <NTolerance> i didn't do a dist-upgrade
[04:32] <NTolerance> i was trying to install klibido
[04:32] <NTolerance> and something depended on the kdelibs or something
[04:32] <NTolerance> then i went to reboot and my desktop was virtually gone
[04:33] <NTolerance> i have my background and the quick launch, that's it
[04:33] <kkathman> NTolerance: at the top of this page, when you joined there was a link to fix the kdelibs bug..did you try that?
[04:33] <NTolerance> yeah
[04:33] <NTolerance> ran the script
[04:33] <NTolerance> didn't change anything
[04:33] <NTolerance> :(
[04:33] <kkathman> that fixed mine
[04:33] <kkathman> but then mine didnt mess up except the kdelibs didnt finish
[04:33] <NTolerance> i suppose i'm gonna have to reinstall
[04:33] <kkathman> you might try this...
[04:34] <kkathman> NTolerance: try quitting the KDE, login in a different WM, and then remove kubuntu-desktop, then reinstall just that
[04:34] <pointwood> what app do you recommend to batch resize a lot of pics?
[04:34] <NTolerance> hrem
[04:34] <NTolerance> hrm
[04:34] <NTolerance> don't have another wm installed
[04:35] <kkathman> pointwood: Ive never done that so I cant help you on a batch tool
[04:35] <kkathman> NTolerance: can you get to a shell (terminal)
[04:35] <NTolerance> should i install xfce or ubuntu-desktop?
[04:35] <NTolerance> yeah
[04:35] <kkathman> try installing like wmaker
[04:36] <NTolerance> ok
[04:36] <NTolerance> how do i boot into a different wm?
[04:36] <kkathman> NTolerance: when you installed, did you install hoary, then do an apt-get on kubuntu-desktop?
[04:36] <NTolerance> installed from the kubuntu disc
[04:36] <kkathman> icck
[04:37] <kkathman> NTolerance: in my opinion, you should never install from kubuntu
[04:37] <amichai> how do i find out where my cdrom is mounter?
[04:37] <kkathman> amichai: cd /media, then do an ls -l    see if what you have
[04:37] <kkathman> amichai: or you can just bring up Konqueror
[04:38] <NTolerance> ok i have windowmaker installed
[04:38] <NTolerance> how to i boot to it?
[04:38] <amichai> kkathman: thanx
[04:39] <NTolerance> or can i just reinstall kubuntu-desktop with a terminal?
[04:39] <kkathman> NTolerance: since you installed from kubuntu, Im not sure if you can, now..so you might just have to reinstall
[04:39] <NTolerance> hrm
[04:40] <kkathman> If its not a tremendous amount of problem, try reinstalling with just the hoary ubuntu, then apt-get install kubuntu-desktop, that way you always have a good alternate desktop
[04:40] <NTolerance> could i just boot to a terminal and do apt-get reinstall kubuntu-desktop ?
[04:41] <kkathman> NTolerance: you can try that, sure, but since you didnt apt-get the first time, I dont think it will do any good to apt-get remove kubuntu-desktop
[04:41] <kkathman> but then I've never tried it either
[04:41] <NTolerance> well
[04:41] <NTolerance> seeing as how i might end up going back to unbuntu/gnome....
[04:41] <NTolerance> do most kde apps run fine under gnome?
[04:42] <kkathman> NTolerance:  I think...that if you tried to reinstall k-d  it would just come up and give you messages that its at the current version
[04:42] <NTolerance> i'm mainly asking about kdrc...the tsclient that comes with gnome gives syntax errors with vncviewer
[04:42] <kkathman> NTolerance: yes, allegedly, any app should run in both
[04:42] <NTolerance> hrm
[04:42] <NTolerance> ok
[04:42] <NTolerance> thx
[04:42] <kkathman> NTolerance: there are some minor exceptions
[04:43] <kkathman> NTolerance: but thats why I always tell people to install hoary straight up first
[04:43] <kkathman> NTolerance: then you get all the gnome libs
[04:52] <NTolerance> hmm
[04:52] <NTolerance> that sounds like a good idea
[04:52] <NTolerance> i usually get problems installing gnome apps on kubuntu
[04:52] <NTolerance> i get LOTS of problems with python apps
[04:52] <NTolerance> they want a certain version, ubuntu has the version, but it'll be like python2.4-ubuntu instead of python2.4
[04:53] <NTolerance> then synaptic will complain and remove the package everytime you go to change something
[04:55] <NTolerance> i just did an apt-get --reinstall install kubuntu-desktop in windowmaker and still no change
[04:59] <zyga> hello
[05:00] <zyga> what might be the cause of different font sizes when running non-native apps
[05:00] <zyga> kde aps in gnome have big letters
[05:00] <zyga> while gtk apps in kde have tiny letters
[05:00] <NTolerance> i get the reverse running gnome apps in kde
[05:00] <NTolerance> fonts are too small
[05:00] <NTolerance> heh
[05:00] <zyga> :-)
[05:00] <zyga> so it's a bug?
[05:00] <NTolerance> try adjusting the "fixed width" font in KDE
[05:01] <NTolerance> lemme know if it works
[05:01] <zyga> fixed width?
[05:01] <NTolerance> yeah
[05:01] <NTolerance> kde control center/look and feel/fonts
[05:01] <NTolerance> i think
[05:01] <zyga> and BTW: kde misses many glyphs from my fonts (locale stuff)
[05:01] <NTolerance> my kde is broken so i'm guessing
[05:02] <zyga> gnome shows all polish chars okay but kde only one or two fonts actually work okay
[05:02] <zyga> and I cannot select freemono as default terminal font, it's not classified as monospace
[05:03] <NTolerance> hrmm
[05:03] <NTolerance> dunno about that
[05:06] <Imrahil> kkathman, why do you recommend not using the kubuntu install method (from install cd)? It has been said by jriddell that it is functionally equivalent to just apt-get kubuntu-desktop
[05:07] <NTolerance> he said that if you install with the ubuntu cd that you already have all the gnome/gtk stuff
[05:07] <NTolerance> you're inevitably going to be running a gnome program or two anyways
[05:07] <Imrahil> correct, but installing kubuntu then apt-get gnome-desktop gets you to the same point no?
[05:08] <NTolerance> not sure
[05:08] <NTolerance> i'm still a noob, but i've picked up on a few things
[05:08] <NTolerance> i'm going to have to reinstall today
[05:08] <NTolerance> damnit
[05:08] <NTolerance> can't fix my kde
[05:09] <NTolerance> going to try gnome, kubuntu has a few too many fatal bugs it seems
[05:09] <NTolerance> was running great until last night
[05:10] <amichai> NTolerance: what probs?
[05:11] <NTolerance> my entire desktop is useless nowt
[05:11] <NTolerance> there's a bug in the repository where your kdelibs package gets all messedup
[05:11] <NTolerance> and then your desktop has virtually nothing
[05:11] <NTolerance> all i have is the launcher
[05:11] <NTolerance> nothing else
[05:14] <amichai> NTolerance: i had that too
[05:14] <amichai> NTolerance: u lost ur buttons and stuff?
[05:14] <NTolerance> yeah
[05:14] <NTolerance> i have 4 launch icons
[05:14] <NTolerance> and a backgroun
[05:14] <NTolerance> d
[05:14] <NTolerance> that's it
[05:15] <amichai> NTolerance: ok so the answer is simple man. Just add them again.
[05:15] <amichai> NTolerance: right click on the bar and add them
[05:15] <NTolerance> hrm
[05:15] <amichai> NTolerance: there was an error with that files, i've never seen that on kde before. so no need to throw kubuntu out so quick.
[05:15] <amichai> NTolerance: any other probs?
[05:17] <NTolerance> less documentation and how-tos
[05:17] <NTolerance> instability
[05:18] <amichai> NTolerance: well kubuntu is very new. 
[05:18] <amichai> NTolerance: remember though this is Linux, u can make it stable and also unstable. if its unstable fix it, and then write a howto so others wont go through what u did.
[05:19] <NTolerance> a lot of others have been through this and i tried their suggestions
[05:19] <NTolerance> there are several threads on it
[05:19] <NTolerance> i'm not giving up on linux, but i do want to try gnome again
[05:19] <NTolerance> i can certainly just grab the kde-desktop again
[05:20] <amichai> NTolerance: yeah thats an idea. Or just grab gnome now :) then u'll have them both, and then grab xfce too
[05:21] <Imrahil> amichai, overall kubuntu is great. some ubuntifiying may be in order
[05:22] <amichai> Imrahil: the only thing i dont like is that its missing the mounting unmounting of ubuntu which was very cool
[05:22] <NTolerance> i like kubuntu just fine, kde 3.4 looks awesome
[05:22] <NTolerance> i got my panels back
[05:22] <NTolerance> so apparently this panel stuff isn't in the .kde profile?
[05:23] <NTolerance> or did my profile get messed up too?
[05:23] <amichai> NTolerance: when u fix the kde-libs it causes ur .kde to be renewed
[05:23] <amichai> NTolerance: so ur settings were lost
[05:23] <amichai> NTolerance: i've never seen a need to do that before, but talk to other
[05:23] <NTolerance> hrm
[05:24] <NTolerance> but my background is still here
[05:24] <NTolerance> so are my launch icons
[05:24] <NTolerance> fonts
[05:24] <NTolerance> etc
[05:25] <amichai> NTolerance: so maybe not all was lost, how did u install kde-libs in the end?
[05:25] <NTolerance> well
[05:25] <NTolerance> i did use the script in the topic
[05:25] <NTolerance> i was under the impression that my desktop would come back to normal after that
[05:26] <NTolerance> apparently adding the panels back needs to be done regardless
[05:26] <NTolerance> we'll see how the rest of my KDE is after this, hopefully nothing else is broken
[05:27] <markc> I'm trying to update my system to unstable but I'm confused about the sysvinit vs sysv-rc packages, which one is correct these days ?
[05:27] <amichai> gotta go
[05:27] <amichai> take care
[05:28] <spiral> hmmm, does anyone here know why konversation is not in 0.17 with i18n working in breezy ?
[05:30] <NTolerance> hrm strange
[05:30] <NTolerance> i just burned a back up of my home directory with k3b
[05:31] <NTolerance> i told it to verify the data
[05:31] <NTolerance> doing so it gave me an error about not being able to read the is9660 filesystem
[05:31] <NTolerance> however
[05:31] <NTolerance> i mounted the disc in konqueror and i can read it just fine
[05:59] <pointwood> what do you use for ripping CD's?
[05:59] <`TUX``> kaudiocreator or grip
[06:00] <pointwood> of course
[06:06] <tarax> hi there :)
[06:08] <tarax> nice to join, (quite a long time since I've been on IRCs ;)
[06:08] <tarax> congratulations and deeeeep thanks to kubuntu contributors
[06:15] <pointwood> KDE doesn't want to recognize my cdrom drive :/
[06:15] <KaiL> pointwood: you only get an icon, if there's a cd in the drive
[06:16] <pointwood> I got a CD in the drive
[06:16] <pointwood> wait...now it would
[06:17] <pointwood> well, konqy would
[07:13] <bhna> is the kdelibs problem solved?
[07:13] <NTolerance> i fixed it by backing up my .kde folder, running the script in the topic, and adding the panels back
[07:16] <amichai> how do i enable the option to make my menu transparent, its grayed out
[07:16] <bhna> i mean in the repos
[07:22] <NTolerance> dunno about that
[07:22] <NTolerance> as far as the repos go
[07:22] <NTolerance> amichai, are you referring to the K panel?
[07:22] <NTolerance> or all menus?
[07:23] <NTolerance> what you probably want is Control Center -> Appearance and Themes -> Style ->Effects
[07:24] <amichai> NTolerance: menus
[07:24] <amichai> NTolerance: the panel is done
[07:25] <amichai> NTolerance: i know. the problem isnt finding it, the problem is that i cant choose it. its grayed out. as if i'm missing the plugin
[07:25] <NTolerance> oh sorry
[07:26] <NTolerance> my guess is that you need to add stuff to your xorg.conf to enable some acceleration on your vidcard
[07:26] <NTolerance> i could be totally wrong
[07:31] <amichai> NTolerance: no i think ur right
[07:31] <Anlar> requires the composite extensions afaik
[07:34] <AlfonsVH> Hi guys; my sound card doesn't work under Kubuntu. When I start any live CD based on Knoppix, the sound DOES work; but Kubuntu doesn't detect any cards. It's a Compaq standard PnP card (I'll watch for the exact type nr. if you like). Any suggestions?
[07:35] <Blissex> http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxSoundALSA.html#troubleshooting
[07:41] <AlfonsVH> I tried some stuff listed on that link, Blissex, but the sound card doesn't seem to get detected AND the command "alsaconf" doesn't work!
[07:42] <Blissex> as to ''does not work'': http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxHelpAsk.html
[07:43] <AlfonsVH> oh yeah; and the directory "/proc/asound/" doesn't exist either
[07:43] <amichai> what menu does kubuntu use? a b or c?
[07:44] <Blissex> AlfonsVH: that means none of the ALSA drivers are loaded.
[07:45] <NTolerance> amichai, what video card do you have?
[07:47] <AlfonsVH> Blissex; how to load them?
[07:47] <AlfonsVH> I'm a newbie; see
[07:47] <Blissex> AlfonsVH: you have to figure out which specific driver you need and then add it to '/etc/modules'.
[07:47] <amichai> NTolerance: ati
[07:48] <Blissex> AlfonsVH: however Ubuntu as a rule should do that automatically for you, if this is not happening it is because the drivers you have were released before your sound chipset and therefore dont support it.
[07:48] <Blissex> AlfonsVH: probably Knoppix has more recent drivers so it they match your chipset.
[07:49] <Blissex> AlfonsVH: what you can do is to upgrade your ALSA and kernel packages to be more recent in that case.
[07:49] <AlfonsVH> Blissex; I don't think so, the live CD I used is allmost 2 years old and my Kubuntu version less than 2 months
[07:49] <AlfonsVH> amichai; how do you mean, a b or c?
[07:50] <NTolerance> ok
[07:50] <NTolerance> hold on amichai 
[07:51] <amichai> AlfonsVH: not sure. i thought there was a code for differen kde menu according to what the distro uses, such kubuntu uses kmenu a and susue uses kmenu suse
[07:51] <AlfonsVH> Blissex; there are no Compaq sound-cards listed on the ALSA website!! Since it works under Knoppix, I think it is supported though. Is there any universal driver or module?
[07:51] <AlfonsVH> oh amichai, I don't know 'bout ghat
[07:52] <AlfonsVH> * that
[07:52] <Blissex> AlfonsVH: I think you really need to read that troubleshooting section.
[07:52] <AlfonsVH> I did, Blissex; but if I try the commands listed, it doesn't work (e.g. alsaconf)
[07:53] <Blissex> AlfonsVH: perhaps reread more carefully...
[07:53] <amichai> AlfonsVH: so its probably nonsense
[07:54] <NTolerance> amichai, 
[07:54] <NTolerance> back up your xorg.conf
[07:55] <NTolerance> and add this to the "device" section
[07:55] <NTolerance> Option          "backingstore"              "true"
[07:55] <NTolerance> 	Option 		"AllowGLXWithComposite" "true" 
[07:55] <NTolerance> reboot and see if the you have the options
[07:55] <AlfonsVH> Blissex; if I understand the troubleshoot section correctly; there should be a "/proc/asound/" folder when the sound-stuff is compiled into the kernel; but there isn't such a folder!
[07:55] <NTolerance> also
[07:56] <NTolerance> add this after the module section:
[07:56] <NTolerance> Section "Extensions"
[07:56] <NTolerance> 	Option 	"Composite" "Enable"
[07:56] <NTolerance> EndSection
[07:56] <NTolerance> here's where I'm getting this infor from:
[07:56] <NTolerance> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20769
[07:56] <NTolerance> no need to install the program, just edit xorg.conf
[08:07] <whiskers> what a couple of days....i am sure tired now
[08:07] <whiskers> well there was a new libc6 today on ubuntu...and kexi is good to go.
[08:07] <whiskers> kexi is connecting now as well as knoda so both approaches are clear to proceed
[08:08] <osh> Can I install kubuntu from a livecd or do I need the install-cd? Please tell me I haven't downloaded the iso for nothing... ;-)
[08:08] <whiskers> but one thing...apache is dead in the water...it doesn't work at all with the new libc6
[08:08] <AlfonsVH> osh; you have to use the install cd as far as I know
[08:08] <osh> AlfonsVH: How annoying...
[08:08] <whiskers> however i did manage to get postgres, php5, and xiopen web server working on win98
[08:09] <whiskers> there we have pgaccess working also
[08:09] <whiskers> and here too
[08:09] <whiskers> but the RAD design tools are just beginning and need some additional work...but the good news is that they are finally connecting to the databases
[08:10] <AlfonsVH> osh: indeed; you probably do want to install it to HD
[08:10] <whiskers> i did finally manage to solve that scons shit with qt-mt...and now  a qt version of rekall is trying to compile finally......
[08:11] <whiskers> i don't know why they made it so difficult by not supplying a make file...but it is trying to compile now
[08:11] <osh> AlfonsVH: It wouldn't be a bad option to be able to install from the live-cd, even if that meant doing a network-install of every package.
[08:12] <whiskers> so the good news is that MS Access type databases are possible now on Linux...just need some gui work....but the bad news is that all this completely kills the non-threaded versions of apache
[08:12] <flames> hi, has kde dc++ (clone) application?
[08:16] <jnoon> is there a mail checker i can get that sits in the system tray?
[08:16] <mschiff> jnoon: maybe kbiff?
[08:17] <AlfonsVH> Blissex; I think I figured it out; but on the ALSA website is written that I should configure the driver tarball. Is this OK?
[08:17] <jnoon> mschiff, does it support google by any chance?
[08:17] <Blissex> AlfonsVH: usually you should not.
[08:17] <jnoon> mschiff, gmail i meant
[08:17] <Blissex> AlfonsVH: if you have a recent Ubuntu version
[08:18] <Blissex> AlfonsVH: if you have a recent Ubuntu version it will have just about everything precompiled.
[08:18] <mschiff> jnoon: I dont know, but it supports POP3 and so does gmail, so I suppose yes
[08:18] <mschiff> Does anybody know I can configure font settings for gnome 1.4 apps?
[08:19] <amichai> NTolerance: man i really appreciate ur help. ati screws up when composite is enabled
[08:19] <AlfonsVH> Blissex; how do I load the correct modules then? I need the snd-es18xx module and the only info I found on the website talks about configuring the driver package using the --with-cards-es18xx option
[08:19] <spiral> hi
[08:20] <mschiff> amichai: buy an nvidia card if you want to use composite
[08:20] <Blissex> AlfonsVH: add them to '/etc/modules'
[08:21] <amichai> mschiff: agreed :) next time
[08:21] <alex> eee
[08:21] <Blissex> AlfonsVH: but again, if you have 'hotplug' or 'discover' enabled, they should be autoloaded.
[08:21] <Blissex> AlfonsVH: unless your card is very new, it should be in the autoconfiguration database.
[08:21] <mschiff> amichai: my ATI card died last week... now I have an nvidia and composite works good. with ati I never managed it to work ok
[08:21] <whiskers> well..the rekall build did not quite succeed...the system says it doesn't know how to compile a .y file
[08:22] <whiskers> i sure hate these kinds of headaches...i already had to go get a working version of flex just to get past that scons shit
[08:22] <amichai> mschiff: nvidia is ideal for linux
[08:22] <whiskers> now i have to figure out what program is needed to compile a .y file
[08:23] <mschiff> amichai: but I dosabled it again, because there seem to be some serous mem leaks with comp enabled...
[08:23] <mschiff> amichai: I like eyecandy.. but not if it eats all my memory... ;)
[08:23] <amichai> mschiff: i dont care for composite i just want my menu to be transparent
[08:24] <amichai> mschiff: tell me about it
[08:24] <AlfonsVH> Blissex; I found the card; it wasn't a Compaq, but an ESS with 'compaq' printed on it. I'll try the module stuff
[08:24] <AlfonsVH> thanks
[08:24] <mschiff> amichai: about what? the memleak?
[08:24] <amichai> mschiff: yeah
[08:24] <amichai> mschiff: gotta go man, was good
[08:25] <mschiff> amichai: hm I dont know much about it... I saw that xorg uses over 500mb after several hours.. so..
[08:25] <whiskers> ok it looks like that .y stuff is an old Berkeley trick...thank GNU we have some tools to deal with it on linux
[08:29] <whiskers> i also have made a short sample move with ogg-theora-vorbis to stay legal...and it does play in totem ...but occassioanlly the sound skips a bit...so i think the free software ogm approach still needs a little work
[08:29] <whiskers> movie
[08:31] <whiskers> slowly the desktop is coming into shape
[08:32] <whiskers> well now yacc is giving a couple of hiccups on rekall...they sure did not make this easy
[08:32] <Anlar> it is just your crappy stuff again.. since ogg/theora works wonderful here :) no skips, no hops, beautiful quality and just works.
[08:34] <whiskers> Anlar, you always seem to be looking for some kind of argument....but uh...on a 10 minute sample movie i had no skips...but on a sample 1hour movie i had several skips in the sound synching...
[08:34] <whiskers> Anlar, also i noticed that theora was about 2x as large as MPeg4
[08:34] <Anlar> I got those videos from that one conference.. they are hours long.. no problems 
[08:34] <whiskers> Anlar, did you make them yourself.
[08:34] <Anlar> nope.
[08:35] <whiskers> Anlar, because that is what a desktop system must do successfully
[08:35] <whiskers> Anlar, and i have created a couple and there are some skips
[08:35] <Anlar> mines does, if I want to. :)
[08:41] <pupe> How hack netbios in linux?
[08:41] <osh> Now isn't this a kick in the head. I downloaded the livecd and booted from that. Then I found out that I need the installcd to install from so I tried downloading that, just to find out that availible space in "Home" is 550MiBi, just 60 less than I need. Bummer.
[08:45] <whiskers> i also have some good news for the gnome fans....glom is finally connecting as well as kexi...knoda...and uh...pgaccess....so competition is underway
[08:45] <jnoon> anyone know how i can install the latest kcheckgmail? my repo's are set to hoary, im guessing i need to set something to unstable but not sure?
[08:45] <osh> whiskers: What's glom, kexi and knoda?
[08:45] <whiskers> but everyone on gnome that has waited for glom...it has finally made the connection
[08:46] <whiskers> the bad side is that this stuff totally destroys the non-threaded version of apache
[08:46] <whiskers> or at least for the moment
[08:46] <whiskers> osh, they are RAD database design systems......to compete with MS Access
[08:47] <osh> whiskers: Sweet. I know a few who's been bugging me about that.
[08:47] <whiskers> so now Murray...has at least one independent verification that glom is working.
[08:47] <whiskers> osh, you bet your ass.....everybody is working on it....both kde and gnome
[08:48] <whiskers> osh, nobody wants to pay MS $100 for that stuff when they can do it for free.
[08:48] <whiskers> it sure is nice to see glom connecting....i never thought that was going to happen
[08:49] <osh> whiskers: Good news indeed.
[08:49] <whiskers> osh, yes great news for kde and gnome.....but bad news for apache...they need to get a threaded version out that is consistent with NPLT in libc6
[08:50] <whiskers> osh, maybe the acronym is backwards...but something along the lines of Native Posix Linux Threads
[08:51] <whiskers> osh, so the free Linux Desktop and Server can kick Berkeley's butt
[08:51] <osh> whiskers, or else? Won't apace run if glom/kexi/knoda is installed?
[08:52] <whiskers> osh, apache died completely when i installed libc6 with NPTL compilation to get this database stuff working
[08:52] <whiskers> osh, the apache2-mfm-dev was a non-threaded version and it died completely...
[08:53] <whiskers> osh, there is a threaded version underway...but synaptic will not let you get it because of missing dependencies
[08:54] <whiskers> osh, so i will just go compile it later...i am very tired just to report these hopeful findings
[08:54] <osh> whiskers: Hmm, that's bad. I've got to reboot to fetch an iso to install kubuntu properly. Back later. (Fscking annoying that /home is 50MB to small for an iso or that the livecd can't be used to install the system from).
[09:00] <jnoon> is all the kubuntu stuff compatible with breezy?
[09:04] <kkathman> jnoon: well probably when something is released, and there was a incompatibility, they would release a change to other things as well, so..most likely yes
[09:05] <kkathman> jnoon: personally Im a bit sketchy in going to breezy quite yet..its still very new .. so I will wait until they arent updating 50-60 updates an hour
[09:06] <jnoon> ah
[09:44] <lao_v> hi guys..can anyone help me getting my 'root' apps (synaptic) to use the kde/qt theme ? i have installed the gtk2 engine and all my non-root apps use kde/qt theme perfectly
[09:44] <lao_v> i have also copied the gtkrc to /root
[09:50] <illusina> why can't I chown a mounted filesystem even while I'm root? (vfat, and it was mounted at boot via fstab)
[09:50] <foodcoman> Greetz
[09:50] <illusina> Hello
[09:51] <foodcoman> I am not sure why.
[09:51] <foodcoman> Its interesting that ubuntuguide.org talks about chown for this.
[09:51] <whiskers> ok...great...i got passed that Berkeley Yet Another Compiler's Compiler with the help of GNU Bison
[09:52] <whiskers> i knew GNU(Bison and Flex) could beat the Berkeley Yacc and Lex for a Compiler's Compiler
[09:52] <whiskers> thank GNU
[09:53] <illusina> ah -hah
[09:53] <illusina> thanks for the ubuntuguide link foodcoman
[09:53] <foodcoman> Sure
[09:56] <whiskers> i sure hope there are no more snags for a qt version of rekall
[09:57] <whiskers> instead of the kde version
[09:59] <whiskers> at least this way we will have it built on the multithreaded qt libraries
[10:00] <whiskers> for the dual core Intel chips and the smp AMD 64's since they are quite inexpensive now
[10:05] <whiskers> that is one tough program to compile...beginning with no Makefile
[10:05] <Anlar> lol.
[10:06] <whiskers> Anlar, you laugh...but i don't see you getting off your fat ass and doing it.
[10:06] <whiskers> Anlar, and not to mention it was a native kde  codebase and i am building a qt-mt version of it
[10:06] <Anlar> I got my system tarballed at the backups.. helping in finding a bug in the i810 video drivers atm, the whole desktop is very sketchy since I installed a special linux just for the need
[10:07] <Anlar> a bit busy here.
[10:11] <nitwoh> il parait qu'on joue  civilization, ici ?
[10:12] <whiskers> man that thing has been compiling for several hours now...i wonder if it will ever get to the end without continually breaking
[10:13] <whiskers> but anyway it is nice to know there are several alternative approaches and they are all getting past the starting point
[10:14] <whiskers> nitwoh, je ne parle francais
[10:15] <Boogieman> helloo
[10:15] <Boogieman> -o
[10:15] <nitwoh> sorry, it was just a evil private joke for shogouki 
[10:16] <whiskers> nitwoh, i wondered who it was for...but it is none of my business so i stay out of it
[10:16] <nitwoh> :)
[10:17] <whiskers> that libc6 that ubuntu got today did wonders for the system....now the major thing that needs to be repaired is apache...because some desktops use phpmyadmin for their database stuff
[10:18] <Anlar> works here. heh
[10:18] <whiskers> i did get php5 working on win98 with xiopen web server and DBMaster.PHP....but uh...well it still leaves something to be desired also
[10:20] <whiskers> well i should say win98se...so no one misunderstands
[10:21] <Jahooty> how do i get kernel sources with apt-get?
[10:21] <whiskers> Jahooty, just go to kernel.org and get the latest stuff and try it out and let them know what bugs you find
[10:21] <Boogieman> does kubuntu support ipv6?
[10:22] <Jahooty> i'm not advanced enough to know a kernel bug when i see one
[10:22] <Jahooty> i just want my wireless to work
[10:22] <whiskers> Jahooty, yes you will...believe me...when the kernel hiccups...you definitely will notice it
[10:22] <Far^Side> how do I downgrade Kubuntu Breezy Badger to Hoary Hedgehog? I just upgrade yesterday, but it was too unstable for me
[10:26] <bhna> Boogieman: yes
[10:26] <Boogieman> the normal installation or do i have to install it?
[10:28] <bhna> Jahooty: sudo apt-get install linux-source-2.6.10
[10:28] <spiral> hmmm, how can I do in order to use firefox instead of konqueror as a default browser with kde apps ?
[10:28] <bhna> Boogieman: i think the normal installation
[10:28] <bhna> spiral: wich app?
[10:29] <whiskers> spiral, firefox is not consistent with kde apps...konq is much more consistent on the kde platform
[10:30] <whiskers> spiral, most people have been downloading firefox for windows or gnome
[10:30] <whiskers> spiral, but MS says they are going to put a stop to that shit with some CSS KungFu.....and make IE7 better than Firefox
[10:31] <spiral> whiskers: I know... but I'm more used to firefox, and I like the extensions I have
[10:31] <whiskers> spiral, yea...i know ...these extensions are nice
[10:31] <spiral> whiskers: otherwise I would be using konqueror
[10:32] <spiral> bhna: I found it in kcontrol, thanks
[10:32] <whiskers> spiral, but...Konq can make use of most of the extensions...you just have to locate them and somehow tell Konq where they are
[10:32] <bhna> spiral: Control Center -> KDE Componets -> Componets Chooser
[10:32] <spiral> whiskers: extensions like 'addblock'
[10:32] <bhna> spiral: sorry to late ;-)
[10:32] <spiral> bhna: thanks, that's what I used
[10:33] <whiskers> spiral, well perhaps...and they also have free adblock programs
[10:33] <spiral> whiskers: for konqueror ? how do you do ?
[10:33] <whiskers> spiral, and flash block is easy...just don't install flash
[10:34] <Anlar> that's why/where you use Webcleaner
[10:34] <spiral> Anlar: I should look at it
[10:34] <whiskers> spiral, well let me finish compiling this doggone multithreaded qt version of rekall....and then i will open up Konq
[10:34] <spiral> whiskers: all right
[10:34] <bhna> whiskers: adblock for konqui? you are joking
[10:35] <senator32> i need some help. I use ubuntu, with kde. In gnome my USB thumb drive auto-mounts, but not in kde. How can i get it to automount in KDE?
[10:35] <senator32> please help
[10:36] <whiskers> spiral, here ...look into this
[10:36] <whiskers> Web Ad Blocking Under Linux/Unix, BeOS, MacOS and Windows
[10:36] <whiskers> by @Man
[10:37] <spiral> whiskers: what's the name of this software ?
[10:37] <whiskers> here is the URL of THE MAN
[10:37] <whiskers> http://www.ecst.csuchico.edu/~atman/spam/adblock.shtml
[10:37] <DaBlade> Hello
[10:37] <DaBlade> I'm on Kubuntu. Been configuring it for the past few hours, running apt, updating it, installing, configuring etc..
[10:38] <DaBlade> Now I've rebooted, and the taskbar won't work properly. I can see the system tray, the K icon, Firefox and Konsole, but no tasks appear in the bar
[10:38] <senator32> anyone know how to make thumb drives automount in ubuntu....running kde
[10:38] <whiskers> spiral, and thank GNU that URL is GNU
[10:38] <senator32> ?
[10:38] <spiral> whiskers: thanks
[10:38] <Anlar> yeah, useless if you got Webcleaner. :)
[10:39] <whiskers> well i believe we have our first Multi-Threaded Version of Rekall if anybody wants it for free
[10:39] <whiskers> now...lets see what it looks like
[10:39] <DaBlade> Can anyone help me with this?
 Now I've rebooted, and the taskbar won't work properly. I can see the system tray, the K icon, Firefox and Konsole, but no tasks appear in the bar < put the window bar back in the bar
[10:40] <DaBlade> umm..? lol
[10:40] <bhna> Boogieman: are you DaBlade?
[10:40] <DaBlade> No he isn't
[10:41] <Boogieman> maybe
[10:41] <DaBlade> lol no he ain't :P
[10:41] <pussfeller> when i fire up kaudiocreator it always sez, dev/hdc , you dont have enough permisions or something to that effect
[10:41] <Boogieman> i'm your evil brother
[10:42] <pussfeller> then, after i click ok, i can rip
[10:42] <DaBlade> no. he's sleeping over there in his, and has finally shut up :P
[10:43] <DaBlade> *his bed
[10:44] <pussfeller> will that hosts thing really work
[10:44] <bhna> senator32: open konqueror, type media:/, is there an usb-thumb-drive-icon?
[10:45] <pussfeller> i would like to find a nice web monitering utilty I could put on the gateway that didn't involve squid
[10:47] <DaBlade> ok I figured it out
[10:47] <DaBlade> but there are a few more things I wanna change, if you guys can help me with it
[10:47] <DaBlade> I want the home icon to show on the desktop (/home/dablade)
[10:47] <senator32> let me see
[10:47] <DaBlade> I want the trash to be on the desktop, not in kicker
[10:47] <senator32> ah yes it is
[10:48] <senator32> it just didn't put it on my desktop automatically
[10:48] <DaBlade> how do I make those two appear on the desktop?
[10:51] <bhna> senator32: control center -> Desktop -> Behavior -> Tab Desktop Icons
[10:52] <bhna> senator32: enable removeable media
[10:54] <DaBlade> k thanks senator32
[10:56] <Boogieman> bye
[10:56] <bhna> bye
[10:57] <Far^Side> does anyone know if it is possible to even downgrade Kubuntu?
[10:58] <whiskers> Far^Side, why on earth would you want to downgrade....the apps still need more work
[10:59] <Far^Side> whiskers, I would like to downgrade from Breezy Badger to Hoary Hedghehog, because I get about a freeze a day
[10:59] <whiskers> Far^Side, but if you want to downgrade....well i have a few old floppies left when linux began with the minix file system
[11:00] <whiskers> Far^Side, do you want to downgrade 11 years...the more you downgrade the better ...right?
[11:00] <bhna> whiskers: ;-) 0.99
[11:01] <whiskers> Far^Side, but you will have a difficult time getting things working with libtix
[11:01] <Far^Side> whiskers, no, only to Hoary Hedghehog, that's not 11 years
[11:01] <whiskers> Far^Side, not too much support there.
[11:01] <Bubi> hi all :)
[11:01] <bhna> hi
[11:02] <TD|Gaute> Alright... I'm ripping a CD in KAudioCreator... where the heck does the files end up?
[11:02] <Far^Side> whiskers, so it would be easier to just reinstall Kubuntu 5.04?
[11:02] <Bubi> can anyone tell me what does this mean
[11:02] <Bubi> 26 20:02:32 bubi syslogd 1.4.1#16ubuntu6: restart.
[11:02] <pussfeller> ussually in format/artist/album
[11:02] <pussfeller> like, mp3, etc
[11:03] <pussfeller> tho its completely configurabble with a nice utlity
[11:03] <TD|Gaute> Where?
[11:03] <pussfeller> in your home dir
[11:03] <Bubi> im experiencing strange sudden reboots
[11:03] <pussfeller> what are you ripping to
[11:04] <TD|Gaute> Yeah.. but where is the "nice utility" ?
[11:04] <pussfeller> in the settings
[11:04] <pussfeller> where you tell it how you want the folders/files named
[11:04] <bhna> TD|Gaute: /mp3 or /ogg
[11:04] <TD|Gaute> Didn't find anything in the setting on where to save the rips.
[11:05] <pussfeller> seek and ye shall find
[11:05] <TD|Gaute> I found out that I should set the quality in the Control Center, but nothing on location.
[11:06] <TD|Gaute> OK, I'm blind... found it.
[11:12] <whiskers> Far^Side, so far 5.04 has needed a lot of updates
[11:12] <whiskers> Far^Side, i would not go back to that if i were you
[11:16] <Shaquile> I installed Kubuntu on my laptop. Everything works great, except that when I tap on my touchpad it thinks that the tap is the mouse's right button instead of the left and its freaking me out.
[11:17] <Shaquile> Any ideas?
[11:18] <Anlar> switch it to be left handed from the control center?
[11:18] <Anlar> a _fast_ and lame hack, hehe
[11:18] <Anlar> but should work.
[11:18] <Shaquile> Yes. Ofcourse it works. But then the real mousebuttons under the touchpad will be lefthanded aswell.. 
[11:19] <Shaquile> I can go with xmodmap -e "point 2 1 3 4 5 6 7" 
[11:19] <Anlar> but that switches also the real mousebuttons as well?
[11:23] <whiskers> i can't figure out where rekall got installed
[11:24] <Shaquile> But same problem then
[11:24] <Shaquile> Didn't work by the way
[11:24] <whiskers> oh no wonder it is called rekallqt
[11:25] <whiskers> a nice blue screen comes up on rekallqt-mt
[11:27] <whiskers> well there is some kind of demonstration orders sample database to open
[11:28] <whiskers> hmm...if you fetch details it wants you to use xbase...and i have not built that one yet
[11:29] <bhna> whiskers: is this your blog here?
[11:30] <whiskers> nope just taking a look at the progress of the free software community towards a solution for the expensive MSAccess
[11:30] <Anlar> yup, he whines and groans to here because he has no other place.
[11:31] <whiskers> Anlar, you just can't help yourself from degrading everyone around you can you...you seem to be a worthless piece of shit....but uh i  have more important things to do...than lower myself into the gutters with you
[11:32] <Anlar> nah, just you. whining about how you can't get even elementary tasks done and trying to tell others too that they are "broken" and "can't be done".. you have been whining about your "MS ACCESS" replacement for a few days now.. all it took for me was ~10 minutes to fetch couple packages, shake and bake.. and you just manage to masturbate all over the channel like a complete retard Windows user for hours and hours
[11:33] <pussfeller> children children
[11:33] <Anlar> otherwise I wouldn't mind actually but some people might believe also your groundless claims that "things suck" when in fact what is sucking is you.
[11:35] <whiskers> ok...way to go....rekall connected and the database is up for manipulation
[11:36] <whiskers> Anlar, you are a dirtbag scumm from hell....and i think you are just a worthless materialist capitalistic pig....i bet if i bothered i could evidence that you have even tried to earn a paycheck in this world.
[11:37] <bhna> whiskers:  pleas be quiet. thi is the #kubuntu channel not your blog
[11:38] <bhna> whiskers: or open up a new channel #whiskers
[11:38] <whiskers> bhna, this is not a blog...i am trying to factually relate the findings of some new code and compilation approaches for everyone....and if anyone wants this binary and source they are welcome to it for free by the laws of GNU....and these capitalist pigs cannot stand this.
[11:41] <bhna> whiskers: ahhhh, but this is the #kubuntu channel anyway
[11:43] <whiskers> bhna, well this happens to be supportable by kubuntu if anyone wants the modifications to the source and the binary....and if they have qt-mt installed it should work for them....as much as it can in this early stage.
[11:43] <shapord> hi all
[11:44] <whiskers> bhna, and it appears that kexi, rekall, and knoda are very competitive at this time but still need refinements and enhancements
[11:45] <whiskers> bhna, now...this does have form wizards which might help some people out
[11:46] <whiskers> bhna,  and they can have these things for free if they let me know where to send them....so they don't get manipulated by capitalist pigs trying to make a buck off of someone elses' ideas
[11:48] <Shaquile> Damn it.. I'm so mad.. why is my touchpad wierd? =(
[11:48] <bhna> nice but i have no interest on every little step of your work.
[11:49] <bhna> whiskers:nice but i have no interest on every little step of your work.
[11:49] <Anlar> shaquile: check if the pad has got some specific drivers loaded. they might have parameters or you could remove them
[11:50] <Shaquile> Anlar: synaptics
[11:50] <Shaquile> Anlar: That's the driver
[11:50] <Anlar> yes, that's what I was afraid of. :) 
[11:51] <Shaquile> Anlar: I thought that was good... What should I do? 
[11:51] <Far^Side> whiskers, ok, thank you for the answer.
[11:52] <Anlar> shaquile: I have not had any of those so I am a bit puzzled.. ask google, or modinfo synaptics to see what it supports.
[11:53] <bhna> Shaquile: http://web.telia.com/~u89404340/touchpad/
[11:53] <Far^Side> whiskers, but I just wonder, is it possible to go back to 5.04 without a reinstall? For me it would be better than a full freeze once a day
[11:53] <Shaquile> bhna: Thanks... I have already read it :)
[11:53] <KaiL_> hmm, somebody else had a working synaptics setup just after install
[11:55] <Anlar> far^side: full freeaze?
[11:55] <Far^Side> Anlar, yes
[11:55] <KaiL> what freezes there?
[11:55] <Far^Side> Anlar, I need to do a reboot
[11:55] <Anlar> far^side: what did your syslog say when it froze?
[11:56] <Anlar> far^side: you don't have pentium-4 with hyper-threading, do you?
[11:56] <KaiL> is there a bug?
[11:57] <Anlar> at least the provided i686-smp kernels are quite much fucked on many motherboards with p4 and ht. 
[11:57] <Far^Side> Anlar, no I have a Athlon 64
[11:58] <Far^Side> kernel 2.6.11
[11:58] <Anlar> check your system logs nevertheless. if you see some acpi errors just before the crash, .. roll your own
[11:58] <KaiL> maybe going back to 2.6.10 is enough
[11:59] <Anlar> there are many possible reasons for crashes but usually the logs do tell you why. 
[12:00] <whiskers> Far^Side, well i have made many changes to 5.04...but so far it is holding up well....check your drivers...and their configuration.
[12:00] <Far^Side> Anlar, wow, my /var/log/syslog is 1.2 GiG, what tool should I use to check it