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mdkemvirkkil, i am now, shoot12:33
mdkemvirkkil, not sure what happened. Anyhow I guess that must have been a long time ago12:34
mdkemvirkkil, btw you are well fast at converting to moin :)12:36
mdkehow the hell you do it i dunno12:36
mvirkkilI pick the easy ones ;-)12:40
mvirkkilBut those last html pages are going to be a pain to convert.12:41
mdke*grins*12:44
mdkenot so bad with a text editor and find/replace12:44
mdkewe'll get em done12:44
mvirkkilHave fun ;-) 12:45
mdkebtw the german users have their own wiki12:45
mdkemaybe the loco pages are out of date i dunno12:45
mvirkkilWhen are the other input formats going to be disabled?12:45
mdkemvirkkil, probably never12:46
mvirkkil:-/12:46
mvirkkilI guess this was prett pointelss then,12:46
mdkemvirkkil, there are many things which its not worth worrying about when the future of the wiki is a bit uncertain12:46
mdkemvirkkil, why pointless?12:46
mvirkkilWhy convert all the pages to moin, when people will just create more pages in the other formats.12:47
mvirkkilAn endless race.12:47
mvirkkilDoesn't sound very productive,.12:47
mdkemoin is now default12:47
mdkethere are some rare cases where other formats might be justifiable12:47
mdkebut there is a suggestion that the wiki will be moved to another engine soon, so it is not worth worrying about some of the fine details12:48
mvirkkilI agree. But for 99% there isn't.12:48
mvirkkilmdke: MediaWiki?12:48
mdkev unlikely12:48
mvirkkilmdke: What engine then?12:48
mdkecurrent idea is moinmoin i believe12:48
mdkethey've been testing one here: http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDownUnder12:49
mvirkkilI've used it.12:49
mvirkkilCan't fiugre out how to see any other changes besides the very last one.12:49
mdkehmm12:50
mvirkkilOther than that, I don't mind moinmoin. It has better support for the sntax than zwiki .12:50
mdkei'm happy with anything tbg12:50
mdketbh12:50
mdkei'm just gonna wait and see what happens12:51
mvirkkilWhat are you working on atm, if you dont mind me asking?12:51
mdkeme personally?12:51
mvirkkilYeah.12:52
mdkei help out where i can think of something12:52
mvirkkilFor Ubuntu that is. Or 12:52
mvirkkilfor the documentation project.12:52
mdkei have been helping with getting our documentation translated12:52
mdkeand just doing some wiki gardening12:53
mdkeand i help out in the italian team12:53
mdkehey you've read my page :)12:53
mvirkkilI guess everyone is doing some "wait and see" bc of udu.12:53
mdke*shrugs*12:54
mdkei have college, and lots of people have jobs12:54
mdkewe've been restructuring our repository recently in order to start working on the breezy docs, hopefully work will resume as normal soon12:55
mdkeits normal for the time after a release to be occupied with ideas about how to make the next release cycle more efficient/better12:55
mvirkkilIs there any way to have a link to http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/IconApt.png without showing the image?01:05
mdkelemme se01:07
mvirkkilFound it01:08
mdke[http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/IconApt.png iconapt.png] 01:08
mvirkkilYes :-)01:08
mdkestupid linking guide01:09
mdkehave amended it01:09
mdkethe icon it used as an example is down so it doesn't come up clearly on that page01:09
mvirkkilI added the images to WikiGardeningIcons.01:12
mvirkkilI'm planning to use it as a reference of images.01:12
mdkeIconsPage might be a better one01:13
mvirkkilOh.. Hadn't seen that before.01:24
mdkedunno how complete either of them are01:25
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jsgotangcochrist what a disaster for me02:01
jsgotangcoi just got online today!02:01
jsgotangcogrrr02:01
mdkeits only the second day02:01
mdkechill dude02:01
mdkehaving fun?02:01
jsgotangcojeezz02:02
jsgotangcofabio just fixed some ad-hoc on his machine02:02
jsgotangcothe network here is crazy atm02:02
mdke*laughs*02:02
jsgotangcoi never even saw mary02:02
jsgotangcojeez02:02
mdkeshame02:03
jsgotangcomy 1st day was a disaster02:03
mdkewell get along to the Lang Pack meeting today02:03
jsgotangcowith carlos?02:03
mdkeand wikitransition02:03
jsgotangcoill go there02:04
mdkeand let us know what happens02:04
jsgotangcoill grab the sched first02:04
jsgotangcomdke, if i still get online jeez02:04
jsgotangcoi hope they get the new aps soon02:04
mdke*grins*02:04
jsgotangcoi should grab some win drivers just in case02:04
jsgotangcoall my cards wont even work02:04
mdketut tut02:05
mdkeshould have fixed the computer before going :p02:05
jsgotangcoi forgot my driver cds!02:05
mdkeit stopped working on route?02:05
jsgotangcoyeah02:06
mdke:/02:06
jsgotangcowell i got some stuff working now02:06
jsgotangcogot 45 minutes to get the drivers ehe02:06
mdkehttp://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UnabashedCzechColonialism02:07
mdkel18n czech slovak wars02:08
jsgotangcothe chinese thing was mentioned yesterday02:09
jsgotangcohmm02:09
jsgotangcoi think mary is that lovely tall lady yesterday02:09
jsgotangco*shame*02:09
mdkeshe said she was in black02:09
mdkewhat chinese thing?02:09
jsgotangcohmm right that's her..she's quite a looker02:13
jsgotangcoshe didn't have a nametag so i didnt know02:14
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jsgotangcoDOH02:14
mdke*laughs*02:14
mdkegtg to bed02:14
jsgotangcook02:14
jsgotangcotalk to you later02:14
mdkei'm already having to ditch a lecture tomorrow morning02:14
mdkejsgotangco, have fun dude02:14
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mdkeoh jsgotangco one more thing02:15
mdkeactually np02:16
mdkenight02:16
jsgotangcowhat02:16
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mkdebah02:35
mkdebed is for wimps02:35
mkdejsgotangco, the other meeting i thought might be interesting was the LocoTeam one02:35
mkdewhat do you reckon02:35
jsgotangcowhen is that02:36
mkdecan't remember02:36
jsgotangcolemme check02:36
jsgotangcoi see a locoteam process bof with mako and smurfix02:37
mkdethats the one02:37
jsgotangcowiki translation is this evening02:37
jsgotangcoi mean02:37
jsgotangcowiki transition02:37
mkdeheh02:37
mkdeyes02:37
mkdewhat do you reckon of the loco team one?02:38
jsgotangcooh there's ubuntu world tour02:38
jsgotangcohmm02:38
jsgotangcoill check it out02:38
jsgotangcomako is there anyway02:38
mkdewhat is ubuntu world tour?02:38
jsgotangcohmm02:38
jsgotangcoi think they plan to go to some stuff to promote ubuntu02:39
jsgotangcoprobably south east asia02:39
jsgotangcojdub told me about it days ago before UDU02:39
mkdepretty cool02:39
jsgotangcolike a rock concert02:39
jsgotangcohaha02:39
mkde:p02:40
mkdeso how long are you gonna be there?02:41
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jsg_mdke, wake up translationteam BOF is about to begin03:46
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mvirkkilmdke: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/ChangeTimezoneHowto has images that don't end in png.04:25
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froudAfrican Greetings07:43
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jsgotangcodoh09:02
jsgotangcohypatia, are you there?09:12
hypatiaI'm at my keybaord.09:13
hypatiaI'm not at UDU.09:13
hypatiaI'm at work.09:13
jsgotangcoi didnt see you!09:13
jsgotangcowhere you here yesterday?09:13
hypatiaYes.09:13
jsgotangcodoh09:13
hypatiaI thought you were going to be at RosettaOnePointZero?09:13
hypatiaAnyway, I saw you, but I didn't get a chance to grab you :)09:14
jsgotangcoeh?09:14
jsgotangcoby chance are you the tall lady09:14
hypatiaYes.09:14
jsgotangcoahhh09:14
jsgotangcoyes09:14
jsgotangcocharmed09:14
hypatia:)09:14
hypatiaI might be around for a little while on Saturday.09:14
jsgotangcothat's great let's catch up on things by then09:15
hypatiaOK.09:15
jsgotangcoim sorry i wasn't able to join you on rosetta09:15
hypatiaI'll let you know sometime Friday when I'll be there.09:15
jsgotangcook09:15
hypatiaProbably Saturday afternoon/evening.09:15
jsgotangcothat would rock09:15
hypatiaGreat.09:15
hypatiaOK, see you then.09:15
hypatiaI'm going home now.09:15
jsgotangcook09:15
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Burgundaviasalut10:17
hypatiahello10:18
Burgundaviahow was UDU?10:24
hypatiait was pretty chaotic.10:26
hypatiaThey're trying to make an enormous amount of decisions in one week.10:26
hypatiaall the core people are trying to attend four meetings simultaneously.10:26
Burgundaviaindeed10:27
BurgundaviaI noticed that10:27
mdkedo they write up decisions taken?10:46
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mdkewb10:53
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mdkemvirkkil, will get on it10:58
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jsgotangcohey hey11:22
mdkehiya11:22
mdkehows tricks11:22
jsgotangcotricks?11:22
mdkehow are you?11:22
jsgotangcoohhh11:23
jsgotangcoim ok11:23
jsgotangcoim in an artwork bof11:23
mdkenice11:23
mdkewhat time is it there?11:23
jsgotangcohmmm 7:30PM11:23
mdkeoh you're in DesktopArtwork?11:24
jsgotangcoyeah11:24
mdkeYOU DIDN'T GO TO WIKITRANSITION? *slaps*11:24
mdke:p11:24
jsgotangcoDOH..i thought you had it arranged11:24
mdkeme?11:24
jsgotangcowe hates the wiki but i'll catch up for you11:24
mdkedon't worry am only kidding11:25
jsgotangcowell i think they're moving it back to moin11:25
mdkethe udu wiki is not too bad11:26
jsgotangcosure...11:26
mdkewhat the hell are they doing putting me in bofs11:35
mdkethere's also this one: RolloutGuide with froud and me (?!)11:35
jsgotangcowell you are the most visible in wiki11:35
jsgotangcohuh where is that?11:35
jsgotangcolemme check11:35
mdkei thought perhaps that scheduling bofs with people who are at the conference is maybe an idea11:35
mdkeflattered tho i am11:35
jsgotangcowhere did you get that rollout guide11:36
mdkeon the wiki11:36
jsgotangcotoday's sched?11:36
mdkeno just did a search for me11:36
mdketo make sure i wasn't gonna be in any more11:36
jsgotangcoohhh its probably not scheduled yet11:37
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jsgotangcoits in low priority11:38
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jsgotangcoi dont think it;ll be scheduled11:38
jsgotangcoprobably11:38
jsgotangcoi even did PDA doh11:38
mdkeinteresting idea11:38
jsgotangcook i'll be back11:38
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mdkethat was fast11:54
jsgotangcowe didnt have dinner yet11:55
mdke*grins*11:55
mdkewhat's the weather like over there?11:56
jsgotangcooh very nice around 22C11:56
jsgotangcoa bit cloudy though11:57
mdke11 here11:57
mdke:)11:57
jsgotangcodoh in manila its like 35C11:57
mdke*grins*11:57
mdketoo hot for me11:57
jsgotangcobut i like sydney11:58
jsgotangcothere are so many parks11:58
jsgotangcoi notice people are crazy over jogging here11:58
mdkeyeah australians are fit11:58
mdkehey you can go and watch cricket11:58
jsgotangcolol11:58
mdke:p11:58
jsgotangcothe cable on this hotel kinda sucks though, you need to pay $2 to watch the news11:59
mdke*laughs*11:59
jsgotangcoeven though this conference is like a gulag, we're being fed well11:59
mdkewhats for dinner11:59
jsgotangcoim not so sure11:59
jsgotangcoits always different11:59
jsgotangcoour lunch was like 8 kinds of pizza11:59
mdkeman i'm jealous12:00
jsgotangcoi miss my rice though12:00
mdkesitting in this shitty london weather12:00
jsgotangcowe're planning a big world tour12:00
jsgotangcowe should be there12:00
mdkewhere?12:00
jsgotangcoits still open12:00
jsgotangcothe vatican perhaps12:00
jsgotangcohaha12:00
jsgotangcobut sabdfl wants a world tour or a UN Convention12:01
jsgotangco"Ubuntu Nations"12:01
jsgotangcoehe12:01
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jsgotangcooh they're making the bof sched for tommorow12:02
jsgotangcothat's what's holding dinner12:02
jsgotangcothe master chief is busy12:02
jsgotangcohehe12:02
mdkejsgotangco even though this conference is like a gulag <-- explain?12:03
jsgotangcowe start at 9am and we end like 10pm hehehe12:04
jsgotangcoits fun12:04
mdkeah ic12:04
jsgotangcobut like i said, you're never going to spend anything here because the food is no problem12:07
mdkecool12:10
mdkeunless you go out late :)12:10
jsgotangcothere's a goog pizza parlor nearby12:11
jsgotangcoand king's cross is just around the corner12:11
mdkewhat is that?12:11
jsgotangcoits an avenue/road something12:12
mdkethere is a place called kings cross in london12:12
jsgotangcosome part of it is the red light district12:12
mdkedamn everyone copies our names12:12
mdkeSAME IN LONDON!!12:12
mdkeawesome12:12
jsgotangcoi heard its a copycat12:12
jsgotangcohehe12:12
jsgotangcoyeah12:12
jsgotangcoi heard some guys says its a replica12:12
jsgotangcohehe12:12
mdkecool12:12
mdkekings cross in london isn't too bad tho12:12
jsgotangcoits just nearby the hotel probably 2 blocks12:12
mdkeits improving :)12:12
mdkejsgotangco, you stay away from there y'hear?12:12
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jsgotangcono way12:13
jsgotangcoi went there when i arrived12:13
jsgotangcoits full of bums12:13
mdke*laughs*12:13
jsgotangcoi found it by mistake12:13
mdkeyeah yeah12:14
mdkecourse12:14
jsgotangcowell ok i admit i looked for it12:15
jsgotangcobut i crossed by a church12:15
jsgotangcoit was sunday so i went to church first12:15
mdkeeven worse12:16
mdkeright i'm going for a shower12:17
mdkecya later12:17
jsgotangcothats why  i didnt roam around12:17
jsgotangcook see ya12:17
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jsgotangcorock on!01:51
froudrock on what?01:51
jsgotangcooh ignore me i had a long day tee hee01:52
froudyou sound pumped :-) good 01:52
jsgotangcofroud, how are things01:52
froudgood01:52
froudcalm01:52
froudclear01:52
froudcollected01:52
jsgotangcoi couldn't commit stuff right now my laptop is screwed i have to fix stuff01:53
froudwhich means what they hell shall I do first!01:53
jsgotangcoi will to fix stuff later01:53
froudno problem, focus on UDU01:53
jsgotangcowe just finished dinner sabdfl and the other guys are still doing the sched for tommorow01:53
froudhe he they must work for their butter01:54
jsgotangcoright there's a world tour in the works01:54
froudyep heard about it01:54
froudUbuntu Nations01:55
jsgotangcowe'll probably end up going to the vatican and giving the pope a copy01:55
froudyeah imagin ethe pope using Ubuntu01:55
jsgotangcofroud, i just want to ask something01:55
jsgotangcoon our svn01:55
jsgotangcowe have this stuff on learn linux01:55
froudperhaps the docteam can work some subliminal messages in to the text01:56
jsgotangcoyou reckon this is LPI approved/compliant stuff01:56
froudyes01:56
froudNo it does not comply, why do you ask?01:56
jsgotangcobecause there is a project for a live cd for that01:56
jsgotangcocbt thing01:56
jsgotangcothat is LPI approved01:56
froudURL?01:56
jsgotangcoi told them we can probably play around with existing stuff in side our svn just for proof of concept01:57
froudSend me the information I will inlcude it in http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/CertificationAndTraining01:57
jsgotangcohttp://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/TrainingLiveCd01:57
jsgotangcooh jbailey was there so its covered well01:58
froudAh yes, that01:58
froudyes it is partly covered by my spec on http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/CertificationAndTraining01:59
froudPerhaps I should link the two01:59
jsgotangcoperhaps01:59
jsgotangcoi had a frickin' long day02:00
jsgotangcobut it was fun02:00
jsgotangcoat least i got my laptop running on the network02:00
jsgotangcoyesterday i was so frustrated02:00
jsgotangcoanother thing02:00
froudHe he and just as you get it working it is time pack and go :-)02:00
froudyes02:01
jsgotangcois our svn capable of doing stuff like version control when it comes to artwork02:01
jsgotangcoicons and stuff02:01
froudyes02:01
jsgotangcoi was in the artwork BOF a few hours ago02:01
froudI must go collect my son from school02:01
jsgotangcook see ya02:01
froudsend me mail with your thoughts and will go from there02:02
jsgotangcosure sure02:02
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jsgotangcook see ya i gotta go  upstairs as well02:02
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abellihttp://www.marzocca.net/linux/ubm.html02:28
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sm-workhi mdke07:43
sm-workwhat's the convention for image filenames do you remember ?07:43
sm-workjust add .png ?07:44
sm-workand hi everyone else07:44
sm-workdoes anyone know the license/reuse status/author of the new site skin ? not just the css but the actual page templates07:45
sm-workmdke: I've done that07:50
mdkesm-work, thanks mate08:12
mdkeno idea about the new skin, but you can contact henrik about it08:13
sm-workthx, what's henrik's nick ?08:13
mdkeumm08:14
sm-worknp08:14
mdkeone moment08:14
sm-workhe's a server admin ?08:14
mdkehno7308:15
mdkeyes i think so08:15
sm-workthanks08:18
mdkei can get his email address if you want it08:18
mdkeits on my laptop08:18
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Simiramorning guys. Anyone awake yet?11:08
mdkehiya11:09
Simirahi there11:09
mdkesup?11:09
Simiraare you involved in translation?11:09
mdkeyes a little, how can i help?11:10
Simirawe're having a LoCo-meeting on translation-rutines right now11:10
mdkeonline?11:10
Simirawell, we were supposed to. Guess it's too late for many11:10
mdkechan?11:10
SimiraI'm trying to figure out some rutines/system for coordinating and validating translations11:11
Simira#ubuntu-no11:11
Simirabut it's in norwegian11:11
mdkeoh a locospecific meeting :)11:11
mdkesorry11:11
mdkehow can I help anyhow?11:11
Simirado you know if there's any such system/routines in other translation teams?11:12
mdkeare you talking about translating in rosetta or other translations?11:12
Simiraprimarily in Rosetta11:12
mdkewell i can only speak for the italian team: as yet there is very little method11:13
Simirathe intention is to not do a lot of double work, and then be able to confirm some kind of validation from a second person befor the package is submitted11:13
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mdkeright, you're talking essentially not for translation but for checking translations right?11:14
Simirayes, that's the most important. And that someone can say "I'm working on this pkg right now"11:14
mdkewell in terms of the first time something is translated, my opinion is that the more people working on a pkg, the better: it will get done quicker. But for _checking_ translations, that is a different matter entirely11:15
mdkethe only two methods I can think of are a mailing list and a wiki page, in which people note what packages they are checking11:16
mdkeeventually Rosetta will have a feature whereby people can mark pkgs as double checked11:16
Simirayes, we have a wiki on our pages, so I though about using it11:16
mdkei think a wiki page is the best option11:16
mdkebetter than a mailing list, because it is all in the same place11:16
Simirayes11:17
mdkehttp://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RosettaWishList11:17
mdke^^ for requests :)11:17
SimiraI know. half of the list is from me :p11:18
Simiraah, well, not that list11:19
mdkethere is another list?11:19
Simirabut the bug/request-list in Launchpad11:19
mdkeah11:19
mdkeOMG11:20
mdkedudes, there is some mad activity going on in the wiki11:20
mdkei love the way they don't keep us in the loop11:21
Simiraheh11:22
Simirait's too much to keep up!11:22
smwow.. go henrik :)11:22
mdkehe's in a frenzy11:22
mdkeone gets the feeling he's bringing them in from the static part of the website11:23
mdkedamn i gtg to bed11:24
smI wonder what static part that is11:24
smI can't find them11:24
mdkei think its not there anymore11:25
mdkeused to be http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/helpcenter_view maybe?11:25
smlinks not preserved at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HowToReportABug :/11:26
smwell, there are too many links on the web anyway11:27
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smI'm half serious.. a doc with fewer links can be more restful to read11:28
mdkebroken links are bad for the heart tho11:28
mdkedon't forget the old adage, he who smelt the broken links, has to fix them11:28
smI don't like how the new skin hides links11:30
mdkehmm11:31
mdkei don't like the website full stop11:31
mdkesm, you heard they are moving the wiki?11:34
smI heard something.. has there been an announcement ?11:35
mdkenah but it seems they are agreed on it, they've been discussing it at UDU, apparently11:35
mdkewe should know more in the next few days11:35
mdkethere was some suggestion that the docteam might be kept in the loop11:36
mdke*coughs*11:36
mdkewe'll see11:36
smindeed11:37
mdkei heard it will take an immense effort to migrate11:40
mdkeSimira, what else are you guys thinking about the translations11:45
Simiramdke: that Rosetta is confusing ;p11:45
mdke*grins*11:46
mdkewell keep filing bugs, requests11:46
Simiraconcerning to where it's syncronized and not, and what lies under hoary and what's under Rosetta only11:46
Simiramdke: well, I've filed a good handful in Malone11:46
mdkeoh you wonder about its relationship with upstream packages?11:46
Simirathat too11:47
mdkewhat did you mean by syncronization?11:47
Simirait has to be mentioned, I'm not well familiar with packages/upstreams and general routines around that11:47
Simiramdke: where is the po-files from, and how do we know they're the last update11:47
mdkei don't quite follow you: the po files are imported from upstream, and then you guys update em no?11:48
Simiramdke: yes, but the point is, in some cases there are newer files than those in upstream...11:49
mdkebut where?11:49
Simiraavailable other places, I mean....11:49
mdkein rosetta itself you mean?11:49
Simirayes11:49
mdkewell i presume they are merged11:49
mdkebut carlos will be able to tell you that in a second11:50
Simirayes, I'm waiting for him and daf to get on11:50
mdkeok11:50
mdkehe is good with email too11:50
mdkegenerally a well organised guy11:50
SimiraI know, it's just we'd like some answers on certain points right now11:51
mdkedo you have a list of stuff? maybe I can help, i've been hammering carlos with questions recently11:53
mdkedunno anything about relationship with upstream tho11:53

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