=== abelli [~john@8d35cce935f3e9ba.node.tor] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:33] mvirkkil, i am now, shoot [12:34] mvirkkil, not sure what happened. Anyhow I guess that must have been a long time ago [12:36] mvirkkil, btw you are well fast at converting to moin :) [12:36] how the hell you do it i dunno [12:40] I pick the easy ones ;-) [12:41] But those last html pages are going to be a pain to convert. [12:44] *grins* [12:44] not so bad with a text editor and find/replace [12:44] we'll get em done [12:45] Have fun ;-) [12:45] btw the german users have their own wiki [12:45] maybe the loco pages are out of date i dunno [12:45] When are the other input formats going to be disabled? [12:46] mvirkkil, probably never [12:46] :-/ [12:46] I guess this was prett pointelss then, [12:46] mvirkkil, there are many things which its not worth worrying about when the future of the wiki is a bit uncertain [12:46] mvirkkil, why pointless? [12:47] Why convert all the pages to moin, when people will just create more pages in the other formats. [12:47] An endless race. [12:47] Doesn't sound very productive,. [12:47] moin is now default [12:47] there are some rare cases where other formats might be justifiable [12:48] but there is a suggestion that the wiki will be moved to another engine soon, so it is not worth worrying about some of the fine details [12:48] I agree. But for 99% there isn't. [12:48] mdke: MediaWiki? [12:48] v unlikely [12:48] mdke: What engine then? [12:48] current idea is moinmoin i believe [12:49] they've been testing one here: http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDownUnder [12:49] I've used it. [12:49] Can't fiugre out how to see any other changes besides the very last one. [12:50] hmm [12:50] Other than that, I don't mind moinmoin. It has better support for the sntax than zwiki . [12:50] i'm happy with anything tbg [12:50] tbh [12:51] i'm just gonna wait and see what happens [12:51] What are you working on atm, if you dont mind me asking? [12:51] me personally? [12:52] Yeah. [12:52] i help out where i can think of something [12:52] For Ubuntu that is. Or [12:52] for the documentation project. [12:52] i have been helping with getting our documentation translated [12:53] and just doing some wiki gardening [12:53] and i help out in the italian team [12:53] hey you've read my page :) [12:53] I guess everyone is doing some "wait and see" bc of udu. [12:54] *shrugs* [12:54] i have college, and lots of people have jobs [12:55] we've been restructuring our repository recently in order to start working on the breezy docs, hopefully work will resume as normal soon [12:55] its normal for the time after a release to be occupied with ideas about how to make the next release cycle more efficient/better [01:05] Is there any way to have a link to http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/IconApt.png without showing the image? [01:07] lemme se [01:08] Found it [01:08] [http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/IconApt.png iconapt.png] [01:08] Yes :-) [01:09] stupid linking guide [01:09] have amended it [01:09] the icon it used as an example is down so it doesn't come up clearly on that page [01:12] I added the images to WikiGardeningIcons. [01:12] I'm planning to use it as a reference of images. [01:13] IconsPage might be a better one [01:24] Oh.. Hadn't seen that before. [01:25] dunno how complete either of them are === jsgotangco [~jsg@intern146.lnk.telstra.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:01] christ what a disaster for me [02:01] i just got online today! [02:01] grrr [02:01] its only the second day [02:01] chill dude [02:01] having fun? [02:02] jeezz [02:02] fabio just fixed some ad-hoc on his machine [02:02] the network here is crazy atm [02:02] *laughs* [02:02] i never even saw mary [02:02] jeez [02:03] shame [02:03] my 1st day was a disaster [02:03] well get along to the Lang Pack meeting today [02:03] with carlos? [02:03] and wikitransition [02:04] ill go there [02:04] and let us know what happens [02:04] ill grab the sched first [02:04] mdke, if i still get online jeez [02:04] i hope they get the new aps soon [02:04] *grins* [02:04] i should grab some win drivers just in case [02:04] all my cards wont even work [02:05] tut tut [02:05] should have fixed the computer before going :p [02:05] i forgot my driver cds! [02:05] it stopped working on route? [02:06] yeah [02:06] :/ [02:06] well i got some stuff working now [02:06] got 45 minutes to get the drivers ehe [02:07] http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UnabashedCzechColonialism [02:08] l18n czech slovak wars [02:09] the chinese thing was mentioned yesterday [02:09] hmm [02:09] i think mary is that lovely tall lady yesterday [02:09] *shame* [02:09] she said she was in black [02:09] what chinese thing? [02:13] hmm right that's her..she's quite a looker [02:14] she didn't have a nametag so i didnt know === mdke reports jsgotangco for sexism [02:14] DOH [02:14] *laughs* [02:14] gtg to bed [02:14] ok [02:14] talk to you later [02:14] i'm already having to ditch a lecture tomorrow morning [02:14] jsgotangco, have fun dude === cc [~cc@freedesktop.org] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:15] oh jsgotangco one more thing [02:16] actually np [02:16] night [02:16] what === mkde [~matt@mdke.user] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:35] bah [02:35] bed is for wimps [02:35] jsgotangco, the other meeting i thought might be interesting was the LocoTeam one [02:35] what do you reckon [02:36] when is that [02:36] can't remember [02:36] lemme check [02:37] i see a locoteam process bof with mako and smurfix [02:37] thats the one [02:37] wiki translation is this evening [02:37] i mean [02:37] wiki transition [02:37] heh [02:37] yes [02:38] what do you reckon of the loco team one? [02:38] oh there's ubuntu world tour [02:38] hmm [02:38] ill check it out [02:38] mako is there anyway [02:38] what is ubuntu world tour? [02:38] hmm [02:39] i think they plan to go to some stuff to promote ubuntu [02:39] probably south east asia [02:39] jdub told me about it days ago before UDU [02:39] pretty cool [02:39] like a rock concert [02:39] haha [02:40] :p [02:41] so how long are you gonna be there? === koke [~koke@203.49.139.196] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [~jsg@intern146.lnk.telstra.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsg_ [~jsg@intern146.lnk.telstra.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsg_ [~jsg@intern146.lnk.telstra.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:46] mdke, wake up translationteam BOF is about to begin === abelli_ [~john@3f1f6d7308f345f9.node.tor] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:25] mdke: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/ChangeTimezoneHowto has images that don't end in png. === froud [~froud@ndn-165-143-125.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [~jsg@intern146.lnk.telstra.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === abelli [~john@2044885c4a5b85cd.node.tor] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [~jsg@intern146.lnk.telstra.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === cc [~cc@byte.fedora] has joined #ubuntu-doc === hypatia [~mary@CommSecureAustPtyLtd.sb1.optus.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [~jsg@intern146.lnk.telstra.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jiyuu0 [~jiyuu0@219.95.209.161] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:43] African Greetings === froud is now known as away === away is now known as froud === abelli [tor@b0ec04fa1ba4744e.node.tor] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [~jsg@intern146.lnk.telstra.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:02] doh [09:12] hypatia, are you there? [09:13] I'm at my keybaord. [09:13] I'm not at UDU. [09:13] I'm at work. [09:13] i didnt see you! [09:13] where you here yesterday? [09:13] Yes. [09:13] doh [09:13] I thought you were going to be at RosettaOnePointZero? [09:14] Anyway, I saw you, but I didn't get a chance to grab you :) [09:14] eh? [09:14] by chance are you the tall lady [09:14] Yes. [09:14] ahhh [09:14] yes [09:14] charmed [09:14] :) [09:14] I might be around for a little while on Saturday. [09:15] that's great let's catch up on things by then [09:15] OK. [09:15] im sorry i wasn't able to join you on rosetta [09:15] I'll let you know sometime Friday when I'll be there. [09:15] ok [09:15] Probably Saturday afternoon/evening. [09:15] that would rock [09:15] Great. [09:15] OK, see you then. [09:15] I'm going home now. [09:15] ok === hypatia [~mary@adsl-66-203.swiftdsl.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:17] salut [10:18] hello [10:24] how was UDU? [10:26] it was pretty chaotic. [10:26] They're trying to make an enormous amount of decisions in one week. [10:26] all the core people are trying to attend four meetings simultaneously. [10:27] indeed [10:27] I noticed that [10:46] do they write up decisions taken? === hypatia [~mary@adsl-66-203.swiftdsl.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:53] wb === hypatia [~mary@adsl-66-203.swiftdsl.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:58] mvirkkil, will get on it === jsgotangco [~jsg@intern146.lnk.telstra.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:22] hey hey [11:22] hiya [11:22] hows tricks [11:22] tricks? [11:22] how are you? [11:23] ohhh [11:23] im ok [11:23] im in an artwork bof [11:23] nice [11:23] what time is it there? [11:23] hmmm 7:30PM [11:24] oh you're in DesktopArtwork? [11:24] yeah [11:24] YOU DIDN'T GO TO WIKITRANSITION? *slaps* [11:24] :p [11:24] DOH..i thought you had it arranged [11:24] me? [11:24] we hates the wiki but i'll catch up for you [11:25] don't worry am only kidding [11:25] well i think they're moving it back to moin [11:26] the udu wiki is not too bad [11:26] sure... [11:35] what the hell are they doing putting me in bofs [11:35] there's also this one: RolloutGuide with froud and me (?!) [11:35] well you are the most visible in wiki [11:35] huh where is that? [11:35] lemme check [11:35] i thought perhaps that scheduling bofs with people who are at the conference is maybe an idea [11:35] flattered tho i am [11:36] where did you get that rollout guide [11:36] on the wiki [11:36] today's sched? [11:36] no just did a search for me [11:36] to make sure i wasn't gonna be in any more [11:37] ohhh its probably not scheduled yet === mdke nods [11:37] just saw the page, not the schedule [11:38] its in low priority === mdke nods [11:38] i dont think it;ll be scheduled [11:38] probably [11:38] i even did PDA doh [11:38] interesting idea [11:38] ok i'll be back === jsgotangco [~jsg@intern146.lnk.telstra.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:54] that was fast [11:55] we didnt have dinner yet [11:55] *grins* [11:56] what's the weather like over there? [11:56] oh very nice around 22C [11:57] a bit cloudy though [11:57] 11 here [11:57] :) [11:57] doh in manila its like 35C [11:57] *grins* [11:57] too hot for me [11:58] but i like sydney [11:58] there are so many parks [11:58] i notice people are crazy over jogging here [11:58] yeah australians are fit [11:58] hey you can go and watch cricket [11:58] lol [11:58] :p [11:59] the cable on this hotel kinda sucks though, you need to pay $2 to watch the news [11:59] *laughs* [11:59] even though this conference is like a gulag, we're being fed well [11:59] whats for dinner [11:59] im not so sure [11:59] its always different [11:59] our lunch was like 8 kinds of pizza [12:00] man i'm jealous [12:00] i miss my rice though [12:00] sitting in this shitty london weather [12:00] we're planning a big world tour [12:00] we should be there [12:00] where? [12:00] its still open [12:00] the vatican perhaps [12:00] haha [12:01] but sabdfl wants a world tour or a UN Convention [12:01] "Ubuntu Nations" [12:01] ehe === mdke sighs [12:01] boys with toys [12:02] oh they're making the bof sched for tommorow [12:02] that's what's holding dinner [12:02] the master chief is busy [12:02] hehe [12:03] jsgotangco even though this conference is like a gulag <-- explain? [12:04] we start at 9am and we end like 10pm hehehe [12:04] its fun [12:04] ah ic [12:07] but like i said, you're never going to spend anything here because the food is no problem [12:10] cool [12:10] unless you go out late :) [12:11] there's a goog pizza parlor nearby [12:11] and king's cross is just around the corner [12:11] what is that? [12:12] its an avenue/road something [12:12] there is a place called kings cross in london [12:12] some part of it is the red light district [12:12] damn everyone copies our names [12:12] SAME IN LONDON!! [12:12] awesome [12:12] i heard its a copycat [12:12] hehe [12:12] yeah [12:12] i heard some guys says its a replica [12:12] hehe [12:12] cool [12:12] kings cross in london isn't too bad tho [12:12] its just nearby the hotel probably 2 blocks [12:12] its improving :) [12:12] jsgotangco, you stay away from there y'hear? === mdke rings jsgotangco's wife [12:13] no way [12:13] i went there when i arrived [12:13] its full of bums [12:13] *laughs* [12:13] i found it by mistake [12:14] yeah yeah [12:14] course [12:15] well ok i admit i looked for it [12:15] but i crossed by a church [12:15] it was sunday so i went to church first [12:16] even worse [12:17] right i'm going for a shower [12:17] cya later [12:17] thats why i didnt roam around [12:17] ok see ya === mdke [~mdke@mdke.user] has joined #ubuntu-doc === froud [~froud@ndn-165-143-125.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [~jsg@intern146.lnk.telstra.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:51] rock on! [01:51] rock on what? [01:52] oh ignore me i had a long day tee hee [01:52] you sound pumped :-) good [01:52] froud, how are things [01:52] good [01:52] calm [01:52] clear [01:52] collected [01:53] i couldn't commit stuff right now my laptop is screwed i have to fix stuff [01:53] which means what they hell shall I do first! [01:53] i will to fix stuff later [01:53] no problem, focus on UDU [01:53] we just finished dinner sabdfl and the other guys are still doing the sched for tommorow [01:54] he he they must work for their butter [01:54] right there's a world tour in the works [01:54] yep heard about it [01:55] Ubuntu Nations [01:55] we'll probably end up going to the vatican and giving the pope a copy [01:55] yeah imagin ethe pope using Ubuntu [01:55] froud, i just want to ask something [01:55] on our svn [01:55] we have this stuff on learn linux [01:56] perhaps the docteam can work some subliminal messages in to the text [01:56] you reckon this is LPI approved/compliant stuff [01:56] yes [01:56] No it does not comply, why do you ask? [01:56] because there is a project for a live cd for that [01:56] cbt thing [01:56] that is LPI approved [01:56] URL? [01:57] i told them we can probably play around with existing stuff in side our svn just for proof of concept [01:57] Send me the information I will inlcude it in http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/CertificationAndTraining [01:57] http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/TrainingLiveCd [01:58] oh jbailey was there so its covered well [01:58] Ah yes, that [01:59] yes it is partly covered by my spec on http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/CertificationAndTraining [01:59] Perhaps I should link the two [01:59] perhaps [02:00] i had a frickin' long day [02:00] but it was fun [02:00] at least i got my laptop running on the network [02:00] yesterday i was so frustrated [02:00] another thing [02:00] He he and just as you get it working it is time pack and go :-) [02:01] yes [02:01] is our svn capable of doing stuff like version control when it comes to artwork [02:01] icons and stuff [02:01] yes [02:01] i was in the artwork BOF a few hours ago [02:01] I must go collect my son from school [02:01] ok see ya [02:02] send me mail with your thoughts and will go from there [02:02] sure sure === froud is now known as froud-away [02:02] ok see ya i gotta go upstairs as well === jsgotangco [~jsg@intern146.lnk.telstra.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:28] http://www.marzocca.net/linux/ubm.html === jiyuu0 [~jiyuu0@219.95.209.161] has joined #ubuntu-doc === abelli [~john@151c09ea62cf9383.node.tor] has joined #ubuntu-doc === froud-away [~froud@ndn-165-143-125.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc === solomarv [~rouslan@terkin.graham.clarkson.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === solomarv [~rouslan@terkin.graham.clarkson.edu] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === maskie [~maskie@196-30-109-16.uudial.uunet.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc === sm-work [~simon@lsanca1-ar5-4-60-051-162.lsanca1.dsl-verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:43] hi mdke [07:43] what's the convention for image filenames do you remember ? [07:44] just add .png ? [07:44] and hi everyone else [07:45] does anyone know the license/reuse status/author of the new site skin ? not just the css but the actual page templates [07:50] mdke: I've done that [08:12] sm-work, thanks mate [08:13] no idea about the new skin, but you can contact henrik about it [08:13] thx, what's henrik's nick ? [08:14] umm [08:14] np [08:14] one moment [08:14] he's a server admin ? [08:15] hno73 [08:15] yes i think so [08:18] thanks [08:18] i can get his email address if you want it [08:18] its on my laptop === abelli [~john@70e92026a031f74c.node.tor] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Simira [~simira@56.80-202-210.nextgentel.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:08] morning guys. Anyone awake yet? [11:09] hiya [11:09] hi there [11:09] sup? [11:09] are you involved in translation? [11:10] yes a little, how can i help? [11:10] we're having a LoCo-meeting on translation-rutines right now [11:10] online? [11:10] well, we were supposed to. Guess it's too late for many [11:10] chan? [11:11] I'm trying to figure out some rutines/system for coordinating and validating translations [11:11] #ubuntu-no [11:11] but it's in norwegian [11:11] oh a locospecific meeting :) [11:11] sorry [11:11] how can I help anyhow? [11:12] do you know if there's any such system/routines in other translation teams? [11:12] are you talking about translating in rosetta or other translations? [11:12] primarily in Rosetta [11:13] well i can only speak for the italian team: as yet there is very little method [11:13] the intention is to not do a lot of double work, and then be able to confirm some kind of validation from a second person befor the package is submitted === sigurdga [~sigurd@45.80-203-115.nextgentel.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:14] right, you're talking essentially not for translation but for checking translations right? [11:14] yes, that's the most important. And that someone can say "I'm working on this pkg right now" [11:15] well in terms of the first time something is translated, my opinion is that the more people working on a pkg, the better: it will get done quicker. But for _checking_ translations, that is a different matter entirely [11:16] the only two methods I can think of are a mailing list and a wiki page, in which people note what packages they are checking [11:16] eventually Rosetta will have a feature whereby people can mark pkgs as double checked [11:16] yes, we have a wiki on our pages, so I though about using it [11:16] i think a wiki page is the best option [11:16] better than a mailing list, because it is all in the same place [11:17] yes [11:17] http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RosettaWishList [11:17] ^^ for requests :) [11:18] I know. half of the list is from me :p [11:19] ah, well, not that list [11:19] there is another list? [11:19] but the bug/request-list in Launchpad [11:19] ah [11:20] OMG [11:20] dudes, there is some mad activity going on in the wiki [11:21] i love the way they don't keep us in the loop [11:22] heh [11:22] it's too much to keep up! [11:22] wow.. go henrik :) [11:22] he's in a frenzy [11:23] one gets the feeling he's bringing them in from the static part of the website [11:24] damn i gtg to bed [11:24] I wonder what static part that is [11:24] I can't find them [11:25] i think its not there anymore [11:25] used to be http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/helpcenter_view maybe? [11:26] links not preserved at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HowToReportABug :/ [11:27] well, there are too many links on the web anyway === mdke peers at sm === sm waves at mdke [11:28] I'm half serious.. a doc with fewer links can be more restful to read [11:28] broken links are bad for the heart tho [11:28] don't forget the old adage, he who smelt the broken links, has to fix them [11:30] I don't like how the new skin hides links [11:31] hmm [11:31] i don't like the website full stop [11:34] sm, you heard they are moving the wiki? [11:35] I heard something.. has there been an announcement ? [11:35] nah but it seems they are agreed on it, they've been discussing it at UDU, apparently [11:35] we should know more in the next few days [11:36] there was some suggestion that the docteam might be kept in the loop [11:36] *coughs* [11:36] we'll see [11:37] indeed [11:40] i heard it will take an immense effort to migrate [11:45] Simira, what else are you guys thinking about the translations [11:45] mdke: that Rosetta is confusing ;p [11:46] *grins* [11:46] well keep filing bugs, requests [11:46] concerning to where it's syncronized and not, and what lies under hoary and what's under Rosetta only [11:46] mdke: well, I've filed a good handful in Malone [11:46] oh you wonder about its relationship with upstream packages? [11:47] that too [11:47] what did you mean by syncronization? [11:47] it has to be mentioned, I'm not well familiar with packages/upstreams and general routines around that [11:47] mdke: where is the po-files from, and how do we know they're the last update [11:48] i don't quite follow you: the po files are imported from upstream, and then you guys update em no? [11:49] mdke: yes, but the point is, in some cases there are newer files than those in upstream... [11:49] but where? [11:49] available other places, I mean.... [11:49] in rosetta itself you mean? [11:49] yes [11:49] well i presume they are merged [11:50] but carlos will be able to tell you that in a second [11:50] yes, I'm waiting for him and daf to get on [11:50] ok [11:50] he is good with email too [11:50] generally a well organised guy [11:51] I know, it's just we'd like some answers on certain points right now [11:53] do you have a list of stuff? maybe I can help, i've been hammering carlos with questions recently [11:53] dunno anything about relationship with upstream tho