[12:00] <Nalioth> nickrud, ok, i got some instructions off some linux page about database updateing and some claptrap
[12:00] <nickrud> Nalioth, talks about mkttfdir & the like?
[12:00] <PHPWannabe> nickrud: I'm using KDE
[12:00] <holy_cow> Amaranth, i like the new updated menu, the popup looks great and seems to simplify the app even more by simply being a popup ... i'll try it out tonight sometime
[12:00] <nickrud> PHPWannabe, never mind :)
[12:00] <ja5on> Ok. I need to change to text colour under my desktop icons. how is this done
[12:00] <nickrud> I don't kde
[12:01] <sasch1> Can I use Acroread 7 as a mozilla-plugin?
[12:01] <holy_cow> PHPWannabe, oh kde, aha sorry :) i assumed you usede ubuntu, try #kubuntu
[12:01] <Amaranth> holy_cow: yeah, it makes it easy to tell new entries from editted ones
[12:01] <Amaranth> holy_cow: People were overwriting their entries when they meant to write new ones.
[12:01] <holy_cow> sasch1, there is no such thing as a pdf 'plugin' for mozilla on linux ... they are all standalone apps that are called via mime types
[12:02] <ja5on> sasch1: yeah mate.. i'll get the link for you
[12:02] <mattgirv> Ehm, what are .sah files from?
[12:02] <mattgirv> nm, I think it is Seti@Home
[12:02] <Nalioth> nickrud, something like that
[12:02] <WillCooke> paulfox, Hmm.  I can only assume if all your files are still there then the format didnt work?
[12:02] <holy_cow> sasch1, you might want to try evince first, its much better than acroread7, its almost as fast, has serach and select functions but actually uses gnome menues
[12:03] <paulfox> WillCooke, yeah, i'm trying to figure out whats going on
[12:03] <nickrud> Nalioth, that's the old style, gnome uses fontconfig. I'm not sure if kde does
[12:03] <ja5on> sasch1:  this is for firefox pdf plugin http://ubuntuguide.org/#acroread
[12:03] <sasch1> ok, lets envice, why not
[12:03] <WillCooke> paulfox, /var/log/kern.log might have something helpful in
[12:03] <Nalioth> nickrud, so the new hotness scans dir(s) on startup for new shtuff?
[12:03] <paulfox> WillCooke, there's actually songs on it now, and i can play them with rhythmbox
[12:04] <sasch1> mozilla-acroread needs acroread 5, and acroread installs version 7
[12:04] <paulfox> now i need to figure out how to get it to disconnect
[12:04] <nickrud> Nalioth, yes, and when I drop a ttf into ~/.fonts, gnome sees it immediately.
[12:04] <WillCooke> paulfox, Did it not work before?
[12:04] <nickrud> Nalioth, you could try the ~/.fonts directory and see if it works
[12:04] <paulfox> WillCooke, nope
[12:04] <indigirl1> hey PHPWannabe|Armor
[12:04] <WillCooke> paulfox, Well, that's progress!
[12:05] <paulfox> WillCooke, i just cant get off the "Do no disconnect" screen
[12:05] <chavo_> nickrud, X uses fontconfig, so the fonts in ~/.fonts are available to every x app.
[12:06] <nickrud> chavo_, thx. I thought so, but didn't know for sure.
[12:06] <WillCooke> paulfox, That's deff. something to do with the modules needing unloading.  Once it's mounted do a "mount" and see where its mounted.  Then try to unmount it, and then unload the sbp2 mod.
[12:06] <Nalioth> nickrud, i d/l a 7000+ font rar t'other day
[12:06] <Nalioth> gawd knows whats in it
[12:06] <goyan> hi
[12:06] <chavo_> Yeah, it's really  not documented anywhere. But everyone should know about it.
[12:06] <WillCooke> paulfox, make sure you quit RB and gtkpod etc first
[12:06] <paulfox> WillCooke, yeah i am doing
[12:07] <nickrud> I do my best not to talk over my head :)
[12:07] <paulfox> WillCooke, and then i umount the device, then rmmod sbp2
[12:07] <holy_cow> Nalioth, usually no usefull and very ugly fonts, that perhaps would only look good on one of those posters that get stuck up on construction sites :)
[12:07] <WillCooke> paulfox, In fact, I think there is an opton in gtkpod to handle the mounting and umount for you.
[12:07] <chavo_> No I didn't mean it that wya.
[12:07] <chavo_> way.
[12:07] <Nalioth> nickrud, any ideas for some nice free ones?
[12:07] <nickrud> chavo_, I never thought you did :)
[12:08] <WillCooke> hey holy_cow!
[12:08] <chavo_> Just that it should be documented somewhere, so everyone knows how easy it is to install fonts now.
[12:08] <holy_cow> hi WillCooke
[12:08] <holy_cow> Amaranth, btw, i had no idea it was you that did pymusique
[12:08] <holy_cow> heh
[12:08] <holy_cow> nice :)
[12:08] <paulfox> WillCooke, thanks for the help. i'll keep trying with it tomorrow...bed time :)
[12:08] <nickrud> Nalioth, I use the ttf fonts provided by ubuntu, plus the better ones I bought with PrintShop ages ago :)
[12:08] <paulfox> night all
[12:08] <WillCooke> paulfox, likewise.  Give me a shout tomorrow
[12:09] <ja5on> can anyone help me to change the desktop font colour underneath my icons
[12:09] <k4rl> chavo: what's also useful to know in the font world is that if you have MS office docs, tha tused arial, they'll look like crap if you do a Openoffice->export pdf, until you install the MS fonts, or change the fonts in the doc
[12:10] <holy_cow> k4rl, oh thats a good test, never thought of that
[12:10] <chavo_> k4rl, well there should be an alias for arial in the font config.
[12:10] <k4rl> holy_cow: there's an ms fonts package, it worked really really well :)
[12:11] <holy_cow> k4rl, msfonts are ugly imho
[12:11] <chavo_> I'm not sure what the default is in ubuntu, I have my own ~/.fonts.conf set up.
[12:11] <nickrud> k4rl, good point. one of my first checklist items is msttfcorefonts or whatever it's called :)
[12:11] <k4rl> chavo: there might be, and it all looks good on screen in Open Office,
[12:11] <holy_cow> i never ever install them, but i never considered the conversion issue
[12:11] <k4rl> but when you export the pdf, the spaces all go to hell and stuff.
[12:11] <holy_cow> adobe fontfolio on the other hand, very usefull
[12:11] <penguinboy> Evening Guys!
[12:11] <holy_cow> k4rl, *nod* i gotta see for my self :)
[12:12] <k4rl> (it may have been the particular styling of arial in my doc, but it was horrible, I actually ended up redoing it in OO anyway)
[12:12] <k4rl> things created by the resume wizard in office aren't particularly portable it seems.
[12:13] <k4rl> they try and do stupid unnecessary tricks with text alignment.
[12:13] <mattgirv> Hey I am using VLC, streaming a mms:// stream. Basically it seems like its stuttering but I don't know why. It certainly isn't bandwidth related because my connection is fine.
[12:14] <kimo> guys, any movie freaks here? :) I really really need someone to identify a very known sentence from a movie which goes like this "I dont wish you freedom, you pulled my heart, you pulled my heart" or similar. Can u identify which movie is that. Sorry for being way off topic :)
[12:14] <k4rl> google it in quot emarks?
[12:14] <holy_cow> k4rl, people think of ms office as quality software and in some ways it is, then you export to html ...
[12:15] <k4rl> cow: though it's html export is much better than it used to be.
[12:15] <mattgirv> k4rl, :P Nah tried that. Lol
[12:15] <kimo> unfirtunately, google hasnt watched the movie! may be I am hearing something wrong!
[12:15] <holy_cow> k4rl, they not only did a poor job, they went out of their way to make it terrible, i find that psychology fascinating
[12:15] <k4rl> well, all I know is that until word2k, it was a pig, and since then it's been reasonably useful.
[12:15] <penguinboy> anyone know where I can get a Linux driver for my wireless????
[12:16] <k4rl> though perhaps it was just that I wrote my thesis in it, and had to learn it.
[12:16] <kimo> penguinboy, ndiswrapper
[12:16] <olorin> penguinboy: ndiswrraper
[12:16] <penguinboy> thanks
[12:16] <k4rl> OO was ok too, I think I'll be fine with it in another usage or so.
[12:17] <k4rl> the first one was a bit of a pain, as it looked similar, but wasn't
[12:17] <holy_cow> k4rl, we are waiting for 2.0 to be released, then switching the entire company
[12:17] <k4rl> what are they planning to improve form 1.x to 2?
[12:17] <holy_cow> i think its an incredible piece of software, lots of tools in there that we cant find anywhere
[12:17] <k4rl> like what?
[12:17] <holy_cow> all the drawing stuff is great
[12:18] <nickrud> holy_cow, yes, please expand if you could :0
[12:18] <nickrud> order of quality: msoffice, typewriter, OO
[12:18] <holy_cow> nickrud, i'll stop right here, people seem offended when i say i like something :)
[12:18] <penguinboy> wow....this ndiswrapper looks like what I am looking for...thanks a lot!
[12:18] <holy_cow> nickrud, lol, your a retard, but i'm okay with that
[12:18] <holy_cow> just so that you know
[12:18] <holy_cow> :)
[12:18] <k4rl> I consider office to be much much more useful than a typewriter
[12:19] <tahorg> <stop the troll>
[12:19] <k4rl> I wish people wouldn't be so onesided in ms vs os
[12:19] <k4rl> if a typewriter truly was more useful we'd still use them.
[12:19] <nickrud> hey, it's a joke :)
[12:19] <k4rl> yeah I know you probably are nick, you seem to have your head screwed on properly
[12:19] <k4rl> I guess I just hear it too much.
[12:19] <holy_cow> nickrud, you need to work on the standup :) hehe
[12:19] <k4rl> damn zealots
[12:20] <DigitalFox|PDA> I dislike both MS Office and OpenOffice
[12:20] <DigitalFox|PDA> I like Abiword/Gnumeric far better
[12:20] <DigitalFox|PDA> Only reason I don't use Abiword more is that I can't do subscripts
[12:20] <holy_cow> digitalfox, *nod* i'm banking on that being our backup if this oo.o project goes off kilter in the long term
[12:20] <holy_cow> they are good
[12:20] <nickrud> DigitalFox|PDA, I tried hard, but Gnumeric print control sucks, and I could never get a graphic into a header in abiword
[12:21] <k4rl> is abiword like wordperfect?
[12:21] <nickrud> my only two dealbreakers
[12:21] <k4rl> great product, but quirky, low usage,
[12:21] <DigitalFox|PDA> nah. it's far from quirky
[12:21] <dave> whenever I try to run a program from gnome that requires administrator privileges, it fails after I enter the password. Any idea where to look for the problem?
[12:21] <farruinn> dave: you're entering your own password, correct?
[12:22] <dave> farruinn: I'm entering the root password
[12:22] <farruinn> dave: if it asks for administrator password use your own password
[12:22] <holy_cow> oo.o will run into a wall somewhere down the road tho ... its a huge codebase, lots of legacy stuff as its an app from the 80's actually
[12:22] <farruinn> it's using gksudo, if it was using gksu you could use the root password
[12:23] <holy_cow> not sure how much has been cleaned up but lots of work is needed there, maybe a rewrite, abiword and gnumeric have the clean start going for them, very light and fast
[12:23] <dave> farruinn: if it's using gksudo then I'm not in the list of sudoers
[12:23] <farruinn> how many users on the system?
[12:23] <holy_cow> one day perhaps they will get some attention, as long as they can import export the oasis/oo file format they can be a potential substitute
[12:23] <dave> Just me and root
[12:23] <Nalioth> dave if you are an ubuntu user, you are on the sudoer list
[12:23] <farruinn> then you should be in sudoers...
[12:23] <mcrawfor> why the heck won't my php scripts run as CGI's under apache2?
[12:24] <goyan> hi, i am new to Linux, can i install gcc on ubuntu?
[12:24] <mcrawfor> goyan: yes
[12:24] <dave> when I try to sudo from the command line I get kicked back as not being in the list
[12:24] <mcrawfor> apt-get install gcc
[12:24] <goyan> cool...
[12:24] <nickrud> goyan, apt-get install build-essential
[12:24] <Nalioth> goyan yes apt-get "build-essential" and read the wiki(s)
[12:24] <goyan> build-essential?
[12:24] <goyan> what is a wiki?
[12:24] <georges> dave: type this: sudo id -un
[12:25] <nickrud> goyan, it pulls in gcc and some other stuff for compiling support, it's what's called a 'meta-package'
[12:25] <mcrawfor> anyone know about mod_php and apache2? this debian apache layout is throwing me for a loop
[12:25] <farruinn> dave: I believe with hoary you can add users to sudo by adding them to the admin group
[12:25] <Nalioth> goyan the package "build-essential" contains gcc automake and other stuff for developement
[12:25] <dave> says that I'm not in the sudoers list
[12:25] <mcrawfor> i have perl cgis executing in the same directory...
[12:25] <Nalioth> the wiki is at http://www.ubuntuforums.org i believe
[12:25] <mcrawfor> and i added .php to the addhandler cgi-script line
[12:26] <AiYori> hi , someone could help me with samba please ?
[12:26] <mcrawfor> ... shouldn't the mod_php config file add a handler for mod_php?
[12:26] <goyan> installing now.... thx every one....
[12:26] <goyan> is there anything for ubuntu similar to M$ VC++?
[12:26] <dave> farruinn: how can I add myself to the admin group from the command line?
[12:27] <holy_cow> goyan, kdevelop is as close as you are going to get i think
[12:27] <Nalioth> goyan kdevelop?
[12:27] <Nalioth> dave "man visudo"
[12:27] <goyan> i have install kubuntu for that?
[12:27] <Nalioth> goyan no you don't
[12:27] <dave> Nalioth: thanks
[12:27] <goyan> icic... i will check it out....
[12:28] <goyan> thx....
[12:28] <Nalioth> goyan apt-get is a smart install thing, it will only install what parts of KDE that are needed
[12:28] <mcphail> mcrawfor: A long time since i used such things, but isn't mod_php different from the php binary which handles scripts/cgi?
[12:28] <mcrawfor> mcphail: i agree
[12:28] <mcrawfor> and i have libapache2-php4 installed
[12:28] <mcrawfor> which should do the trick
[12:28] <goyan> icic.... apt-get is a very cool command....
[12:28] <Nalioth> dave i know nothing about admin groups and the like, but visudo puts whomever you like on the sudoers list
[12:28] <mcrawfor> and I'm used to adding some php-specific handlers
[12:28] <mcrawfor> my question is, shouldn
[12:29] <mcrawfor> 't they be hanging around somewhere already?
[12:29] <qwe> howdy, I'm trying to mount a windows share and I get "wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on //192.168.0.1/SharedDocs, missing codepage or other error"
[12:29] <qwe> in dmesg there's " CIFS VFS: cifs_mount failed w/return code = -22"
[12:29] <goyan> i installed FC3 before... ubuntu is much smoother distro than that.....
[12:29] <mcrawfor> qwe: post the command line you're using, or the line in fstab
[12:30] <goyan> very very nice....!!!
[12:30] <dave> Nalioth: thanks now I just have to figure out the correct syntax for the list
[12:30] <mcphail> mcrawfor: sorry. As i said, long time since i configured apache/php and that was for inline use only.
[12:30] <qwe> mcphail, "mount -tcifs //192.168.0.1/SharedDocs /mnt/shared"
[12:30] <qwe> oops
[12:30] <qwe> @ mcrawfor
[12:31] <mcrawfor> try mount -t smbfs //etc
[12:31] <pepperpot> how do i set my dvd drive (/dev/hdc) to automatically use dma on boot-up?
[12:31] <pixil9> what is tcifs?
[12:31] <mcrawfor> pixil9: thats what I wnat to know
[12:31] <DigitalFox|PDA> -t cifs
[12:31] <b2s> pepperpot: edit /etc/hdparm.conf
[12:31] <mcrawfor> pepperpot: man hdparm.conf
[12:31] <DigitalFox|PDA> cifs is the better version of smbfs
[12:31] <pepperpot> thanks mcphail
[12:31] <pepperpot> i mean mcrawfor
[12:31] <irCat> anyone familiar with Appletalk.
[12:31] <qwe> mcrawfor: smb_fill_super: missing data argument
[12:32] <mcrawfor> hm
[12:32] <Nalioth> dave my biggest headache was finding the command keystrokes for the bloody thing
[12:32] <mattgirv> Hey I am using VLC, streaming a mms:// stream. Basically it seems like its stuttering but I don't know why. It certainly isn't bandwidth related because my connection is fine.
[12:32] <qwe> mcphail: tab completion hell :P
[12:32] <mcphail> qwe: lol
[12:32] <mcrawfor> qwe: not sure on that one.
[12:32] <irCat> anyone familiar with Appletalk.
[12:32] <pepperpot> mcrawfor, man hdparm.conf doesn't work for me
[12:33] <qwe> mcrawfor: dang!
[12:33] <mcrawfor> pepperpot: edit it and see what's in there
[12:33] <qwe> I was hoping someone could help me
[12:33] <mcrawfor> pepperpot: then 'man hdparm'
[12:33] <Thorrn4> hello Ubuntu public! I have an error almost every time I close the Root Terminal, it does not harm the system, Im just wondering what it is / what causes it http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v521/Thorrn4/error.png
[12:33] <irCat> Anyone familiar with Appletalk and Linux?
[12:33] <Nalioth> mattgirv why don't you google "mmsclient" and d/l the stream to your disk, delete when done
[12:33] <pepperpot> mcrawfor, /etc/hdparm.conf is well commented, so i can probably figure this out...
[12:34] <mattgirv> what do you mean download it?
[12:34] <nickrud> Thorrn4, run sudo update-alternatives --config x-terminal-emulator
[12:34] <Jahooty> i have a netgear ma101b USB wireless device, it shows up in the device list, how do i find out what device it is in /dev/
[12:34] <Jahooty> ?
[12:34] <irCat> Anyone familiar with Appletalk and Linux?
[12:34] <bretzel> hi
[12:34] <Jahooty> theh device list in kinfocenter specifically
[12:34] <dazzed> i got a quick problem
[12:34] <nickrud> Thorrn4, choose kconsole for kde, gnome-terminal for gnome, this should fix it
[12:35] <dazzed> 2 hours ago my sound was fine i move my computer from dorm to home...and now it doesnt detect sound devices?
[12:35] <mattgirv> hmm pepperpot, I would prefer to listen to it live.
[12:35] <nickrud> dazzed, is your sound card in a slot, maybe jiggled?
[12:35] <Nalioth> mattgirv, there is a C program called "mmsclient". it will record mms:// streams to your HD, thereby reducing any network lag when you want to watch, and also allowing you to keep the vids you want
[12:35] <dazzed> its onboard nickrud
[12:35] <nickrud> dazzed, bummer :)
[12:35] <dazzed> i know right
[12:36] <mattgirv> Nalioth, ah the thing is, it is actually a radio station :(
[12:36] <Nalioth> dazzed was any beer involved inside the box or stairs or other forms of gravity?
[12:36] <Nalioth> mattgirv, mmsclient will record any mms:// stream
[12:36] <Thorrn4> nickrud, thanks; do u kno what the problem is though?
[12:37] <dazzed> Nalioth: lol nop
[12:37] <nickrud> Thorrn4, did that work?
[12:37] <Nalioth> mattgirv, use streamripper or its gui brother for other streams
[12:37] <mcrawfor> okay I answered a few, now it's my turn: does anyone know why libapache2-mod-php4 isn't running php scripts even though i have it linked in mod-enabled?
[12:37] <nickrud> Thorrn4, that is, if it worked, I have an idea :)
[12:37] <REWind> Do anyone know who I can share a esd session with several logged in users on one machine?
[12:38] <Thorrn4> nickrud, yea....it does not have the error, but does that terminal have the same...rights/previlegdes as the root terminal?
[12:38] <Thorrn4> or does it not matter
[12:38] <mattgirv> Nalioth, yes but I want to listen to it live, rather than delayed/later.
[12:38] <Quinn_Storm> mattgirv: can't you play the file its stream-saving to?
[12:38] <nickrud> Thorrn4, yeah the user calling is what matters, not the programs rights
[12:38] <Nalioth> ah then i cannot help you, perhaps your system load is interfering?
[12:39] <mattgirv> Quinn_Storm, no. It is a radio station, so it doesn't have a beginning or an end.
[12:39] <nickrud> Thorrn4, what happened is somehow as root you were calling a different terminal than your regular user, the
[12:39] <Nalioth> mattgirv, they all have beginnings and ends
[12:39] <nickrud> command I gave you reset it
[12:39] <CarlK> hoary setup - I have 11.3 gig of partitioned space.  How do I create an extended partition?
[12:39] <nullctl> hello
[12:39] <Thorrn4> but nickrud in that gnome-terminal I cannot do "su -" and use my password...does it work in root by default?
[12:39] <qwe> mcrawfor: lol, the problem was me not having smbfs installed... *duh*
[12:39] <mattgirv> its a radio station... it will just keep going forever and ever, and it being a radio station would mean i probably would like to listen to it now, rather than listening to things later!
[12:40] <nickrud> Thorrn4, did you set a root password?
[12:40] <Jahooty> thorrn4, ubuntu doesn't have a root account by default, it uses sudo instead
[12:40] <Nalioth> mattgirv, running streamripper for a few hours gives me a few dozen mp3z with names and such all nice and pretty
[12:40] <mcrawfor> qwe: glad you figured it out!
[12:40] <pixil9> I can't believe i just got rehired at a job i walked out on 2 years ago
[12:40] <pixil9> lol
[12:40] <Thorrn4> Jahooty, yea...my 1st account password...I think that new that, but it does not work
[12:41] <Nalioth> mattgirv, use streamripper for a day, then use your mp3 player on shuffle...i find they play the same sh*t all the time anyway
[12:41] <Jahooty> thorn, that worked for me in...uh...
[12:41] <nickrud> pixil9, playing hard to get sometimes works :)
[12:41] <Jahooty> not hoary...
[12:41] <pixil9> haha i guess
[12:41] <mattgirv> Nalioth, but it is a talk station.
[12:41] <mattgirv> lol
[12:41] <mcphail> mcrawfor: have you installed php4-cgi ?
[12:41] <pixil9> I fucked em over bad
[12:41] <PHPWannabe> Does anyone here use Kubuntu?  #kubuntu is DEAD
[12:41] <Jahooty> warty, but i've noticed i can't do taht with 'su' in hoary
[12:41] <Jahooty> i like kubuntu
[12:41] <Marble2> now, does anyone know how I can view the ram usage of a specific proces without using top?
[12:41] <mcrawfor> mcphail: well - i want mod_php....
[12:42] <nickrud> pixil9, so maybe it's all part of a plot to get back at you.
[12:42] <pixil9> applications --> system --> system monitor
[12:42] <Jahooty> ksysgaurd is my best guess Marble
[12:42] <Nalioth> mattgirv, ah then i'd look at system overhead and nice(ness)
[12:42] <Jahooty> what pixil9 said
[12:42] <mcphail> mcphail: but is that the correct tool for the job?
[12:42] <mcrawfor> tee hee
[12:42] <PHPWannabe> nm
[12:42] <Nalioth> PHPWannabe, yes i use it on alternate days
[12:42] <mcrawfor> mcphail: now THATs an identiy crisis
[12:42] <mcphail> mcrawfor: bugger - mixing up tab completion myself now !
[12:43] <Marble2> anyone?
[12:43] <Jahooty> no one knows how to find out what device name a certain physical device has?
[12:43] <mcrawfor> Marble2: ps xau |grep processname
[12:43] <qm8008137> how do I become a root?
[12:43] <nickrud> Marble2, pixel9 mentioned applications->system-tools->system monitor
[12:43] <mcrawfor> Marble2: you can probably pass ps a processid too, that might be nice
[12:43] <Jahooty> does grep search outputs for a certain string you enter?  have i gathered taht right?
[12:44] <JDahl> does Hoary use glibc 2.2 or 2.3, and where do you check that?
[12:44] <qm8008137> what's the password for root user? in 5.04??
[12:44] <mcrawfor> Jahooty: why yes it does - gather more from man grep
[12:44] <Thorrn4> oh, ok Jahooty...I guess that it was a pointless question; sorry 2 have wasted your time; btw, Im getting to like Ubuntu (Im my 2nd Distro, Im been using LInux for about 1 month and Ubuntu for 1-2 days - yesterday and today)
[12:44] <PHPWannabe> Nalioth: How do you change default E-mail programs and the such?
[12:44] <holy_cow> http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=22756  <-- hehe fun article
[12:44] <Jahooty> qm, no root user in hoary, you'll have to create one
[12:44] <nickrud> qm8008137, there is no root password :)
[12:44] <Marble2> which field shows the ram usage
[12:44] <qm8008137> Jahooty, any documentation?
[12:44] <Marble2> it all just looks like numbers to me
[12:44] <Jahooty> documentation?
[12:44] <pixil9> VM Size.
[12:44] <qm8008137> i need to edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[12:45] <qm8008137> but only root can do that..
[12:45] <Jahooty> sudo
[12:45] <Marble2> qm8008137: sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[12:45] <Jahooty> like sudo...yeah
[12:45] <Jahooty> what he said
[12:45] <Jahooty> or sudo vim /yadda/yadda/warden/yadda.yadda
[12:45] <qm8008137> cool it works..but how do i create root?
[12:45] <Jahooty> i'm working on that myself
[12:45] <mcrawfor> create root?
[12:46] <nickrud> qm8008137, if you really want it, sudo passwd root
[12:46] <qm8008137> create a root user
[12:46] <Marble2> qm8008137: There is a root... but there is no password set by default.
[12:46] <mcrawfor> no
[12:46] <mcrawfor> sudo -s root
[12:46] <Jahooty> ahh
[12:46] <Jahooty> cool
[12:46] <Marble2> sudo passwd root
[12:46] <mcrawfor> will get you a root shell
[12:46] <Marble2> lets you set a root password
[12:46] <Janux> how do you take screenshot in Ubuntu?
[12:46] <Jahooty> i like root
[12:46] <qm8008137> ok let me try those thanks
[12:46] <pixil9> System --> Take Screenshot
[12:46] <pixil9> lol.
[12:46] <Jahooty> how come?
[12:46] <nickrud> qm8008137, sudo -i is actually better than making root
[12:47] <Marble2> because running things as root is very insecure
[12:47] <Nalioth> PHPWannabe, i would guess (i know next to nothing) it would be somewhere in your system administation settings
[12:47] <mattgirv> Anyone know how to get Dashboard working on Ubuntu
[12:47] <Janux> pixil9, hahaha...thanks
[12:47] <qm8008137> i'll man sudo
[12:47] <PHPWannabe> Dang.  I have tried Control Center and there is nothing in there...
[12:47] <holy_cow> Janux, print screen also works
[12:47] <Jahooty> ahh, yeah.  but if if the kid next door was much of a hacker he'd put WEP on his wireless
[12:47] <Marble2> having a root account log-inable is fine, but don't use root all the time. use your default with sudo when needed. Only su to root when you have to run a ton of commands that would require sudo
[12:47] <Nalioth> mattgirv, wtf is Dashboard?
[12:48] <holy_cow> Janux, alt / prt screen takes snapshot of app window only
[12:48] <mattgirv> Nalioth, http://www.nat.org/dashboard/
[12:48] <qm8008137> and how can I get source for 5.04 kernel?
[12:48] <mattgirv> :) Awesome
[12:48] <qm8008137> i need to compile a driver against the kernel..
[12:48] <t3rror> asdfasdf
[12:48] <Jahooty> well qm, in a console type uname -a or uname -r
[12:48] <holy_cow> qm8008137, apt-cache search kernel source
[12:48] <CarlK> wow, the installer does let me resize an ntfs partition - those devs are soo cool ;)
[12:48] <Jahooty> and oh, that too,
[12:49] <holy_cow> actually in that order infact :)
[12:49] <Jahooty> i keep forgetting most people here don't need to compile a dirver just to get internet
[12:49] <mattgirv> Nalioth, nm, I found a wiki guide :)
[12:49] <pixil9> not my 3c905
[12:49] <Jahooty> like me
[12:49] <ivo_> hello guys
[12:49] <pixil9> I've had this same nic for like 10 years
[12:49] <ivo_> still awake??
[12:49] <pixil9> ivo_, no.
[12:50] <ivo_> hehe
[12:50] <ivo_> :)
[12:50] <Nalioth> CarlK arent they tho? i like the old method better, shoving the ntfs part off into the never-never
[12:51] <ivo_> does anybody maybe know how bluetooth works in ubuntu
[12:51] <ivo_> i have a program that finds my bluetooth device, but how to connect
[12:51] <ivo_> and my mobile doesn't find ubuntu bluetooth
[12:51] <tombs> hi ppl
[12:53] <Nalioth> mattgirv, i still don't get dashboard, after reading the page
[12:53] <romulo> hi, where i can find a list of repositories for hoary unstable?
[12:54] <Jahooty> why doesn't eth0 or eth1 show up in ifconfig, but they shsow up in iwconfig?
[12:54] <holy_cow> hoary unstable? you mean just hoary correct?
[12:54] <ivo_> i must go and sleep
[12:54] <holy_cow> apt-setup might do it?
[12:54] <CarlK> hoary install, user/pw step - I seem to be stuck in a loop - Full Name, user, pass, confirm, loop - anyone know whats going on?
[12:54] <ivo_> goodbye, and good night
[12:54] <Nalioth> romulo, http://www.ubuntuforums.org
[12:54] <romulo> holy_cow, thanks
[12:54] <Nalioth> CarlK, isnt there a "done" button?
[12:55] <CarlK> nope
[12:55] <niran> Jahooty, ifconfig only shows configured interfaces, iwconfig shows all interfaces
[12:55] <Jahooty> ahh
[12:55] <Jahooty> how do i configure an eth0 and eth1?
[12:55] <niran> ifup
[12:55] <Nalioth> CarlK, sorry i can't 'member my installation
[12:55] <niran> sudo ifup eth0
[12:56] <pixil9> just use the newbie gui config
[12:56] <Jahooty> "ignoring unknown interface eth1=eth1
[12:56] <Jahooty> i don't see a gui config
[12:56] <Jahooty> all i can find is one for wireless
[12:57] <Jahooty> ....
[12:58] <Jahooty> ok, doesn't seem to be in the 'start menu' (what do you call that in linux?) butthere was a launcher for it
[12:58] <qm8008137> why does psmouse.proto=imps not recognized??
[12:59] <niran> Jahooty, are you on hoary?
[12:59] <Jahooty> yeah, hoary kubuntu
[01:00] <Jahooty> i found the gui config for networking
[01:00] <niran> Jahooty, i don;t know where the config tools in kde are
[01:00] <Jahooty> both devices are greyed out with red x's saying 'disabled ethernet network device'
[01:00] <niran> enable them
[01:00] <Jahooty> buttons are greyed out
[01:01] <Thorrn4> I'm trying to use the Synaptic Package Manager to installer MPLAYER, but I need to know is Ubuntu 5 is a 386 or a 586 system? (what do those #'s mean?)
[01:01] <Jahooty> oooooh, 'administrator mode' i need...grr
[01:01] <dazzed>  got the sound to work!
[01:01] <pixil9> 386 is a 386
[01:01] <pixil9> 586 is a 586
[01:01] <Jahooty> i had to extend the window to expose the 'administrator mode' button
[01:02] <Jahooty> mother *deleted*
[01:02] <pixil9> 686 is pentium2 and up
[01:02] <Nalioth> Thorrn4, 386 is 3- and 486
[01:02] <pixil9> tolstoy, ew you work for HP
[01:02] <Thorrn4> Nalioth, what does that mean? Im very new to Linux
[01:02] <Nalioth> Thorrn4, 586 is Pentium grade and above
[01:02] <dazzed> whats it mean when im on 2.6.10-5-386 on i686?
[01:03] <niran> pixil9, why ew?
[01:03] <Nalioth> Thorrn4, 686 is modern Pentium II and better
[01:03] <dazzed> im on amd athalon
[01:03] <Nalioth> Thorrn4, means you are using software compiled for  an older processor on a newer one
[01:03] <DonL> That's a K6 or 7 I think
[01:03] <Jahooty> ok...i enable the interfaces and they revert to 'disabled' automatically after a few seconds
[01:03] <pixil9> Well you can run the 386 version
[01:03] <Jahooty> i configured them with dhcp, then enabled them and they did the same
[01:03] <pixil9> but there's no special cpu instruction sets.
[01:04] <qm8008137> is it safe to use vanila kernle?
[01:04] <pixil9> It would be kind of retarded to only include the 686 version of the kernel with people running pentiums
[01:04] <pixil9> p1s
[01:04] <nickrud> qm8008137, you mean compile your own?
[01:04] <nickrud> from kernel.org?
[01:04] <qm8008137> yep
[01:04] <niran> Jahooty, what is your eth0? a wired connection?
[01:05] <qm8008137> or is there another way?
[01:05] <Jahooty> yeah, there are two wired cards in this machine
[01:05] <niran> hmm...
[01:05] <nickrud> qm8008137, people do it, but apt-get install kernel-source has the patches debian packages my depend on
[01:05] <niran> they should have been configured automatically
[01:05] <pixil9> If you compile your own.. i'd use make-kpkg
[01:05] <nickrud> s/my/may
[01:05] <Jahooty> so i hit apply and it's 'reloading the network'
[01:05] <pixil9> makes it a lot easier
[01:06] <qm8008137> can i just type apt-get install kernel-source without version number?
[01:06] <niran> did "sudo ifup eth0" have any output?
[01:06] <nickrud> qm8008137, no, I didn't look up the version numbers :)
[01:06] <Jahooty> yeah, one sec
[01:06] <qm8008137> only if I can copy and paste...
[01:06] <qm8008137> linux-source-2.6.10 - Linux kernel source for version 2.6.10 w
[01:06] <pixil9> qm8008137, www.pastebin.com
[01:06] <Jahooty> "ignoring unknown interface eth0=eth0
[01:07] <pixil9> if its lots
[01:07] <cens0red> good moaning.
[01:07] <qm8008137> that's what i found by apt-cashe search kernel source
[01:07] <nickrud> qm8008137, looks good
[01:07] <DigitalFox|PDA> that reminds me, I need to see if ssh works on this system
[01:07] <Jahooty> ahh!! i got one to stay enabled by enabling it and hitting apply quickly before it could revert
[01:07] <qm8008137> and what's the command for installing that source?
[01:07] <qm8008137> apt-get?
[01:07] <niran> Jahooty, that means your interfaces aren't configured correctly
[01:07] <dazzed> god i love it...im theiving wireless conn from my nieghboors on my laptop and routing it to my pc via lan...god i love computers
[01:07] <niran> Jahooty, open /etc/network/interfaces
[01:07] <pixil9> http://www.pastebin.com/275952
[01:07] <nickrud> qm8008137, and like pixel9 mentioned, apt-get install kernel-package and man make-kpkg
[01:08] <pixil9> I'm really _really_ glad I don't code.
[01:08] <holy_cow> dazzed, stupid people are great
[01:08] <holy_cow> i mean windows users are great
[01:08] <dazzed> holy_cow: ur telling me
[01:08] <holy_cow> *ahem*
[01:08] <dazzed> lol
[01:08] <pixil9> I can pretty much go anywhere and get internet on my laptop
[01:08] <nickrud> pixil9, I used to, then I started going to 12 step programs :)
[01:08] <qm8008137> $ man make-kpkg
[01:08] <qm8008137> No manual entry for make-kpkg
[01:08] <qm8008137> same as make-pkg
[01:08] <dazzed> i get horrible signal though...its at like 2.0mbps but i still get like 30k down
[01:08] <pixil9> nickrud: just looking at that pastebin link i put.. makes me want to cry
[01:09] <nickrud> qm8008137, apt-get install kernel-package
[01:09] <DonL> I accidentally killed my system last night. I've been re-installing since
[01:09] <Jahooty> ok, ifconfig is listing eth0 and eth1 now
[01:09] <qm8008137> it asks me about gcc install..and the version is 3.3??
[01:10] <qm8008137> isn't there newer version?
[01:10] <dazzed> DonL: hwod u kill it??? knife to the cpu? happened to me twice
[01:10] <niran> Jahooty, what did you put in interfaces?
[01:10] <Jahooty> what do you want to see from /etc/network/interfaces?
[01:10] <DonL> Somehow did something to lose X
[01:10] <niran> oh
[01:10] <niran> what's there?
[01:10] <nickrud> pixil9, what's so bad about it is I recognize what's bad about it :)
[01:10] <niran> auto eth0?
[01:10] <dazzed> DonL: didnt have to start over for that....boot in console sudo apt-get install xorg
[01:10] <nickrud> I think
[01:10] <Jahooty> interfaces reads:mapping hotplug
[01:10] <Jahooty> script grep
[01:10] <Jahooty> map eth1
[01:10] <Jahooty>  iface eth1 inet dhcp
[01:10] <Jahooty>  iface eth0 inet dhcp
[01:11] <DonL> Didn't work. I tried that
[01:11] <dazzed> damn soryr man i know how much of a pita it is
[01:11] <pixil9> nickrud: bad coding?
[01:11] <DonL> Eventually got totally frustrated and reinstalled Warty, then updated to Hoary. Still can't get Java working
[01:11] <qm8008137> ok..kernel-package installed..now i see man make-kpkg
[01:11] <niran> Jahooty, mine is a bit different, but that might be because i didnt install from a pure hoary
[01:12] <dazzed> DonL: www.ubuntuguide.com has a new way for java MUCH easier now
[01:12] <nickrud> pixil9, no, inadequate naming
[01:12] <DonL> Is that the unofficial one?
[01:12] <Jahooty> wohoo
[01:12] <dazzed> who runs irssi here?
[01:12] <niran> Jahooty, before the iface lines, add "auto ethX"
[01:12] <dazzed> DonL: yes
[01:12] <Jahooty> i can ping yahoo
[01:12] <pixil9> qm8008137, http://www.falkotimme.com/howtos/debian_kernel2.6_compile/index.php
[01:12] <DonL> If so, that's what I used
[01:12] <pixil9> don't bother reading the man page.
[01:12] <niran> where ethX is the interface you want to start on boot
[01:12] <Jahooty> ok
[01:12] <niran> don't put "ethX" verbatim
[01:12] <Jahooty> ahh, ok
[01:13] <nickrud> pixil9, the coding may make sense in context, but meaningless naming ....
[01:13] <dazzed> i know someone runs irssi in here?
[01:13] <mcrawfor> dazzed: me
[01:13] <dazzed> whats the command to get outta a pm
[01:13] <dazzed> its killing me
[01:13] <mcrawfor> it's /q
[01:13] <DonL> dazzed, wish I had a pure Hoary cd, but they're on order
[01:13] <dazzed> true true DonL  you can download one ?
[01:13] <dazzed> thanks mcrawfor
[01:13] <blueschoolfox> lame is being lame
[01:13] <flux_> wow. i *love* ubuntu
[01:14] <DonL> dazzed, yes, I could do that and burn it I suppose
[01:14] <dazzed> flux_: i love ubuntu with flux
[01:14] <blueschoolfox> it outputs 2400hz sample rate
[01:14] <Jahooty> ok, what was the command to get kernel sources?
[01:14] <blueschoolfox> I want 44100 sample rate mp3
[01:14] <blueschoolfox> gimme the command.
[01:14] <dazzed> flux_: u use fluxbox? or just a nick?
[01:14] <pixil9> qm8008137, Ignore the instructions at the end to adjust lilo.. i think make-kpkg adds everything in grub for you.
[01:14] <flux_> dazzed, what?
[01:14] <dazzed> nevermind
[01:14] <flux_> no it's my nick
[01:14] <flux_> i use gnome
[01:14] <blueschoolfox> as per the manual I used:  lame --abr 58 -h  startup.wav  -s 44.1 --resample 44.1
[01:14] <dazzed> i was going to congratulate u if u use flux
[01:15] <flux_> i used to be a windows-desktopper with a debian server, but ubuntu just rocks.
[01:15] <pixil9> flux_, agreed
[01:15] <flux_> about fluxbox: if you're going to use a gui anyway, why not go for the big thing?
[01:16] <flux_> fluxbox is nothing more than a graphical terminal :p
[01:16] <mcrawfor> flux_: because "the big thing" is usually more than you need to get the work done
[01:16] <pixil9> I was using fluxbox for a bit.. then openbox.. now gnome w/ ubuntu :P
[01:16] <yfir> flux_: not all of us need or want all that extra stuff
[01:16] <blueschoolfox> oh
[01:16] <blueschoolfox> wrong file
[01:16] <mcrawfor> flux_: at which point it becomes an irritating distraction
[01:16] <flux_> ah bloated, i understand
[01:16] <nekohayo> anyone knowledgeable with veeeeeery old hardware? I just want to know, if those things (such as serial ports) plugged directly in motherboards are considererd as "PCI" or not.. ?
[01:16] <pixil9> I don't think they're pci.
[01:16] <CarlK> that isn't old ;)
[01:16] <nickrud> nekohayo, no, they're older than pci :)
[01:16] <nekohayo> are they recognized by xorg / the kernel in any way?
[01:16] <FeJaOr> pnp: PnPACPI: METHOD_NAME_ _CRS failure for PNP0C01, pnp: PnPACPI: METHOD_NAME_ _CRS failure for PNP0C02...what do that mean??
[01:17] <FeJaOr> anyone?
[01:17] <nickrud> nekohayo, they'll be /dev/ttyS0 on up
[01:17] <nekohayo> yeah I know, this mobo is so old that it is like "new, featuring PCI 2.1! awesome technology!"
[01:17] <flux_> well, i must say, coming from windows with a bit of linux-knowledge, ubuntu is doable. except for multimedia (wmv, quicktime, firefoxplugins)
[01:17] <CarlK> nekohayo - are you talking about rocket port card that has 16 com ports?
[01:17] <iGN> Hi. :) Can anyone help me turn off zapping (c-a-backspace) in xorg?
[01:17] <nekohayo> um.. wait maybe a picture might help
[01:17] <flux_> what do you guys use for quicktime?
[01:17] <pixil9> flux_, mplayer works fine for those formats with w32codecs.
[01:17] <Jahooty> encrypted wmv is a pain in linux
[01:17] <nekohayo> 67kbytes, have a laugh :) http://nanokron.info:8000/dscf0018.jpg
[01:17] <pixil9> I dunno actually about quicktime
[01:17] <pixil9> i never watch that shit
[01:18] <pixil9> apple can die
[01:18] <Nalioth> wmv? horrors!
[01:18] <nekohayo> the serial port can be see in the upper left
[01:18] <nickrud> Speaking of multimedia, why would totem-xine have problems with rm's but not mplayer ?
[01:18] <robertj> does anyone know of a good gtk ftp client that doesn't have problems with usernames containing @ signs
[01:18] <yfir> my life is fine without quicktime or wmv
[01:18] <flux_> i know, but there are people who use it, so i'd like to be able to view those files
[01:18] <nekohayo> and I tried making it work with /dev/ttyS0 or /dev/ttyS1 with xorg.conf, it doesn't
[01:18] <nickrud> nekohayo, ?
[01:18] <nekohayo> the mouse
[01:18] <nickrud> ah
[01:19] <pixil9> flux_, I think you can install quicktime codecs
[01:19] <pixil9> I remember q32 something
[01:19] <CarlK> nekohayo - what is with the video thing?
[01:19] <flux_> how/where? :)
[01:19] <nekohayo> trying to resurrect that dinosaur is a challenge I want to take :)
[01:19] <nekohayo> it's an S3 Virge
[01:19] <nekohayo> with a Voodoo 2 accelerating thing I *think*
[01:19] <nekohayo> yes, those things existed.
[01:19] <redduck666> CarlK: isn't quick time codecs incuded in w32codecs package?
[01:19] <pixil9> That's what i thought
[01:19] <pixil9> maybe i'm on crack tho
[01:19] <flux_> could be :p
[01:20] <pixil9> ya they are packed with it
[01:20] <CarlK> redduck666 - um... I forget - I now it isn't "that" hard to get them working
[01:20] <pixil9> just checked
[01:20] <Janux> I can't play .rmvb using realplayer, any idea?
[01:20] <pixil9> but I think you need real player
[01:20] <pixil9> heh
[01:20] <flux_> :|
[01:20] <Janux> pixil9, I installed and it runs.
[01:20] <Jahooty> how do you get kernel sources with apt?
[01:20] <nickrud> nekohayo, I've never used a serial mouse, so ....
[01:20] <flux_> w32codecs.... in which repository?
[01:20] <pixil9> I'm talkin to flux
[01:21] <pixil9> flux_, marillat
[01:21] <nekohayo> nickrud, me neither ;) this thing is OLD
[01:21] <Janux> pixil9, oops...sorry
[01:21] <CarlK> duh.. I am at the X login screen and I need to get to a logiin prompt to log in as root cuz I am a moron and screwed up the user/pw - shouldn't Alt-S-F7 get me there?
[01:21] <nekohayo> I don't want to give up and put win98 on it.
[01:21] <pixil9> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat testing main
[01:21] <pixil9> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat stable main
[01:21] <pixil9> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat unstable main
[01:21] <flux_> ah i've googled for the w32codecs
[01:21] <flux_> i'm gonna install them
[01:21] <pixil9> I used one of those
[01:21] <pixil9> it has mplayer & w32codecs in debian packages
[01:22] <nekohayo> I want to be able to show it off and say "look, this is a P2"
[01:22] <pixil9> CarlK, ctrl-alt-f1
[01:22] <pixil9> or whatever term
[01:22] <CarlK> awesome - thanks
[01:22] <comforteagle_> i think this is a ubuntu thing: I've installed the firefox greasemonkey extension (on ibook), but cannot install any of the scripts.  Anyone experience this and know a solution?
[01:22] <pixil9> nekohayo: Go for something more basic.. like a mini install of freebsd or a netinstall of sarge(debian testing)
[01:22] <flux_> do w32codecs work with gstreamer?
[01:22] <flux_> totem-gstreamer
[01:22] <nekohayo> pixil9, well I thought of just putting XFCE/fluxbox/whatever
[01:23] <CarlK> for quicktime and other stuff - https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[01:23] <pixil9> with ubuntu?
[01:23] <flux_> yes?
[01:23] <nekohayo> the only thing that's not working yet is the mouse. oh maybe the modem, I haven't tested.
[01:23] <nekohayo> ...and removing lots of unnecessary daemons
[01:23] <pixil9> lol
[01:23] <pixil9> I'd start with sarge :P
[01:23] <nekohayo> why?
[01:24] <nickrud> nekohayo, yeah, the sarge business card iso
[01:24] <nekohayo> for extreme configurability?
[01:24] <Janux> anyone knows how to play rmvb with realplayer? any special codec or any configurations?
[01:24] <pixil9> I dunno
[01:24] <pixil9> it's an old system
[01:24] <pixil9> start from scratch
[01:24] <skora> hi...anyone know the command mkdir well ?
[01:24] <CarlK> oh wow - seems I can
[01:24] <mcrawfor> skora: it makes directories
[01:24] <pixil9> I don't see the point of even installing ubuntu with fluxbox lol
[01:24] <Jahooty> what do you want to do with mkdir?
[01:24] <CarlK> oh wow - seems I can't use a fat fs for /home
[01:25] <nekohayo> (boy.. making an S3 Virge work with xorg o_O I just realized how much I've learned in one linux year)
[01:25] <skora> i want to make a shell script that will create directories for all the zips that i have in a folder
[01:25] <mcrawfor> Jahooty: don't be dense - ubuntu is a linux distro, it's designed to allow you maximum flexibility
[01:25] <nickrud> nekohayo, so you've been using linux for a few weeks then :)
[01:25] <skora> and then extract each of the zips' files into their respective directories
[01:25] <nekohayo> hahaha
[01:25] <mcrawfor> Jahooty: if you like the minimalist approach of fluxbox and the capable package management of apt, it;s perfect
[01:25] <Jahooty> whhat did i say that was dense?
[01:25] <skora> im not sure what options on mkdir to use.
[01:25] <pixil9> I think openbox is nicer than fluxbox
[01:25] <pixil9> though it's annoying you have to load a panel
[01:26] <mattgirv> Is File-Roller the best Archive GUI app for linux?
[01:26] <Jahooty> wy are you adressing your responses to me?
[01:26] <pixil9> He's talking to me
[01:26] <pixil9> i think lol
[01:26] <bugz_> where can i find security updates for ubuntu 5.04?
[01:26] <CarlK> skora - find ...-exec mkdir basename {} \;
[01:26] <nekohayo> something lots of people tell me: don't change distros/software without notice because something doesn't work.. so theorically I should stay and make that ubuntu box work! I'm not sure debian would make the serial port work anyhow.. or would it?
[01:26] <nickrud> bugz, do you have the security repository enabled?
[01:26] <pixil9> And exactly what you said.. fluxbox +apt.. download sarge and apt-get install x & fluxbox :P
[01:26] <CarlK> skora - look into find -exec and basename
[01:26] <mcrawfor> Jahooty: sorry, i meant pixil9
[01:26] <pixil9> I guess sarge doesn't come with xorg though
[01:27] <mcrawfor> pixil9: see the above!
[01:27] <mcrawfor> he
[01:27] <nekohayo> oh, well I'm not expecting dropshadows :)
[01:27] <nickrud> nekohayo, voodoo2 is the bomb!
[01:27] <bugz_> nickrud: im using windows right now bcoz im in my cousins house
[01:27] <pixil9> nekohayo, what speed is the cpu?
[01:28] <nekohayo> I'd only expect a _reasonable_ boot time, okay reactivity (close to win98 on an old machine?) and somthing that doesn't look like a CLI
[01:28] <nekohayo> it's a ..lol... 200mhz MMX
[01:28] <pixil9> hehe
[01:28] <pixil9> i got debian on my p166
[01:28] <pixil9> laptop
[01:28] <pixil9> fucking slow
[01:28] <nekohayo> it hasn't melted yet?
[01:28] <pixil9> i think the hard drive is like 1000 rpm
[01:28] <nekohayo> mine is 4500
[01:28] <nekohayo> Xd
[01:28] <pixil9> it's a dell
[01:28] <pixil9> so who knows
[01:28] <mattgirv> Is File-Roller the best Archive GUI app for linux?
[01:28] <nickrud> bugz_, if you have a line in /etc/apt/sources.list starting with deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/, you'll get security upgrades as soon as they come out
[01:29] <nekohayo> mattgirv, I don't have any problems with it
[01:29] <yfir> mattgirv: don't know about 'best', but it's pretty good. useable
[01:29] <yfir> mattgirv: i can't suggest an alternative though
[01:29] <mattgirv> I am sorry, I phrased wrong, I mean are their any viable alternatives?
[01:29] <nekohayo> it's a shame gentoo would take three lightyears to compile huh :)
[01:30] <nickrud> mattgirv, I can't even think of an alternative, except maybe in kde
[01:30] <thoreauputic> mattgirv: ark for kde I think
[01:30] <Jahooty> i like ark myself
[01:30] <nekohayo> ...hmm, do you have an idea how that "pre-PCI thingy" is called?
[01:30] <Jahooty> isa?
[01:30] <nekohayo> nay.. something plugged directly into the mobo
[01:31] <nickrud> nekohayo, this isn't an old IBM, is it?
[01:31] <nekohayo> (I have ISA jacks however.. hehe)
[01:31] <FeJaOr> does anybody know how can I make the resolution of the logging screen to look bigger??
[01:31] <nekohayo> no it's an old noname with an Aopen motherboard
[01:31] <Tanaric> Is anyone experienced in getting software MIDI and Ubuntu working properly together?
[01:32] <bugz_> nickrud, so theres no new updates since 5.04 came out?
[01:32] <nickrud> bugz_, there have been updates to the wallpaper, a mozilla locale, and kdelibs
[01:32] <FeJaOr> does anybody know how can I make the resolution of the logging screen to look bigger??
[01:33] <nickrud> bugz_, if you installed after those releases came out, you already have them.
[01:33] <bugz_> nickrud, thanks
[01:33] <pixil9> FeJaOr, Your resolution changes once you login?
[01:33] <FeJaOr> I have w32codec and can't play .wmv in totem....what's the right plugin to get .wmv played in my computer??
[01:33] <FeJaOr> pixil9, yes...
[01:34] <FeJaOr> pixil9, cause I have a different resolution in my session
[01:34] <pixil9> weird
[01:34] <FeJaOr> pixil9, but I was wondering if there's a way to change the resolution of the login screen to make it bigger
[01:34] <FeJaOr> I have w32codec and can't play .wmv in totem....what's the right plugin to get .wmv played in my computer??
[01:34] <pixil9> I dunno
[01:35] <pixil9> I've never had that problem
[01:35] <mjr> FeJaOr, install totem-xine instead of totem-gstreamer
[01:35] <pixil9> FeJaOr, I use mplayer and w32codecs.
[01:35] <Tanaric> Can anyone help me with sound?  I can get software-based MIDI to work, or everything else, but not both.
[01:35] <nickrud> and on the question of totem-xine, is there any reason why it won't play rm's while mplayer will?
[01:35] <FeJaOr> mjr, I tried that but some of the movie formats can't open with xine
[01:36] <mjr> nickrud, 'cause mplayer people are more interested in ugly hacks
[01:36] <nickrud> mjr, thanks
[01:37] <FeJaOr> pixil9, I have w32codecs installed and I'm trying to open the .wmv with totem - gstreamer...
[01:37] <yfir> Tanaric: i can't really help beyond this, but the problem is probably that gnome is using esd. try killing it and see if things work for you
[01:37] <holy_cow> FeJaOr, totem gstreamer doesn't use w32codecs
[01:37] <holy_cow> it uses gstreamer plugins
[01:37] <yfir> Tanaric: then at least you'll know where the problem lies
[01:37] <Tanaric> yfir: I killed esd, that's how I get MIDI to work.  However, now all other sounds, including Gnome noises and XMMS, fail to work.
[01:37] <holy_cow> FeJaOr, uninstall totem gstreamer and install totem xine, that uses w32codecs
[01:38] <mattgirv> Has anyone here had Age of Empires 2 working under Wine/Cedega/
[01:38] <yfir> Tanaric: there should be a way to configure esd to recognize MIDI, but you'll have to ask someone else how to do it. sorry
[01:39] <dave> trying to setup a network printer but I can't find the address. Any ideas how to find the address?
[01:39] <nickrud> Tanaric, try setting System-Prefs->Multimedia to alsa, it may help
[01:39] <chimaera> hi, anyone experiences memory leaking rhythmbox? i haev quite a lagre collection and when trying to import, rhythmbox eats up all memory and gets killed eventually..
[01:39] <chimaera> mattgirv: try #cedega
[01:39] <yfir> Tanaric: the other thing you could do is totally disable esd and stop using it altogether as nickrud suggests
[01:40] <FeJaOr> pnp: PnPACPI: METHOD_NAME_ _CRS failure for PNP0C01, pnp: PnPACPI: METHOD_NAME_ _CRS failure for PNP0C02...what do that mean??
[01:40] <yfir> Tanaric: but there are other consequences to that...
[01:40] <nickrud> yfir, Tanaric sound still sucks ;(
[01:40] <nickrud> but it is better
[01:41] <dave> I have set the global settings to detect LAN printers but I can't find any place where they are detected.
[01:42] <yfir> Tanaric: i hate to suggest this, but if you really need to do MIDI work with linux, you might want to consider this distro instead: http://www.agnula.org/
[01:42] <yfir> Tanaric: it's worth a look anyway
[01:42] <gusbee> anyone have any idea why DNS works for everything besides my web browser?
[01:42] <chimaera> is there a 'helper' to mount nfs-shares usiing ubuntu/gnome or do i have to do it manually via shell?
[01:42] <gusbee> Fresh Hoary install
[01:43] <pixil9> lol
[01:43] <Tanaric> nickrud: If I set the sound to ALSA, I cannot run fluidsynth anymore; it says "default sound device in use"
[01:43] <pixil9> Fuck there's a lot of weird problems
[01:43] <nickrud> there is never anything wrong with choosing the right tool to get the job done philosophy
[01:43] <thoreauputic> chimaera: AFAIK, you have to edit  files
[01:43] <chimaera> thoreauputic: gnome related or just fstab?
[01:43] <pixil9> gusbee: how is your /etc/resolv.conf looking
[01:44] <nickrud> Tanaric, yeah, I said it may help, but now you're into configuring .asoundrc which I consider voodoo
[01:44] <thoreauputic> chimaera: /etc/exports and /etc/fstab mainly
[01:44] <thoreauputic> chimaera: you probably need nfs-kernel-server and nfs-common as well
[01:45] <gusbee> I have: search domain.actdsltmp \n nameserver 192.168.0.1 \n nameserver 205.171.3.65
[01:46] <nickrud> Tanaric, voodoo being anything I don't understand :)
[01:46] <gusbee> which looks ok to me, thee 192.168 is my dsl modem
[01:46] <thoreauputic> chimaera: I found this useful >> http://www.linux.org/docs/ldp/howto/NFS-HOWTO/
[01:46] <Tanaric> nickrud: No worries.  Where would I find that file?  I don't mind mucking around. :)
[01:47] <pixil9> gusbee: remove 192.168.0.1
[01:47] <nickrud> Tanaric, hang on, I saw a link recently, I may still have it
[01:47] <Tanaric> nickrud: Thanks, I appriciate it.
[01:48] <nickrud> Tanaric, I think this is the right place to start: http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin
[01:52] <shido6> im playing the exact same avi in ubuntu on a samba share on another linux box as i did in xp
[01:52] <shido6> and its smoother in ubuntu
[01:53] <shido6> same hardware
[01:53] <shido6> same box. just running ubuntu on it now
[01:53] <housetier> yep I have seen that too
[01:53] <housetier> on a friends pc
[01:53] <shido6> now if I can get the other 3 speakers to work that would be great
[01:53] <shido6> right now only left and right are working
[01:53] <shido6> center and rear left and right not working
[01:54] <CarlK> any recomendations on sending the audio out from Skype to an IceCast v1 server?
[01:54] <nickrud> shido6, run alsamixer, it will give you better access to your hardware
[01:54] <CarlK> or any other VoIP app - as long as it will connect to land lines for cheap (need to do a 2 hour call)
[01:55] <chimaera> thoreauputic: thanks. i know how to handle nfs, i was just curious if gnome can. seems like kde is still way ahead..
[01:58] <abarbaccia> hey guys
[01:58] <CarlK> hoary install, user/pw step - I seem to be stuck in a loop - Full Name, user, pass, confirm, loop - I now know whats going on: /home on fat = https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1085
[02:00] <nickrud> 's machine :)
[02:00] <CarlK> heh
[02:00] <CarlK> im redoing it - decided to move 500k from ntfs to ext3 ;)
[02:00] <shido6> sweet
[02:00] <nickrud> shido6, worked?
[02:01] <shido6> xine works with my esonic 5.1 headphones
[02:01] <theturtle> hey
[02:01] <theturtle> is there anywhere i can download a dvd of ubuntu
[02:01] <jsgotangco> christ wat a disaster for me
[02:01] <theturtle> with all the current apps?
[02:01] <mindmedic> theturtle, i think theres just the cd
[02:01] <resiak> kbrooks: If I hated it, would I be here?
[02:01] <nickrud> theturtle, there is no dvd, ubuntu only releases a one cd install
[02:01] <kbrooks> resiak, no
[02:02] <mindmedic> theturtle, but the ubuntu homepage might be a good place to download ubuntu
[02:02] <theturtle> could i grab the current repository via ftp?
[02:02] <mindmedic> theturtle, why dont you just upgrade the packages you need?
[02:02] <nickrud> theturtle, there's no reason
[02:02] <theturtle> plenty
[02:02] <theturtle> i have dialup at home
[02:02] <theturtle> i wanna grab all i can now
[02:03] <theturtle> even if a month from now they are slightly out of date :/
[02:03] <mindmedic> yeah, you can dl a repository
[02:03] <nickrud> theturtle, what you need is the package apt-zip
[02:03] <nickrud> theturtle, as long as you can leech broadband somewhere
[02:03] <theturtle> yeah that'd ork
[02:04] <theturtle> thnx nickrud
[02:04] <CarlK> there is a dvd somewhere
[02:04] <nickrud> theturtle, I know your pain :)
[02:04] <Tanaric> nickrud: Is .asoundrc supposed to already exist?  None of my home directories have this file.
[02:04] <theturtle> carlk i see one
[02:04] <theturtle> has ppc and amd64
[02:05] <nickrud> Tanaric, no, it's something you must build from scratch, as I understand it. I've never had the need, I've just brushed up against the info when I've been looking for other things.
[02:05] <theturtle> but just that, not an actual package
[02:05] <theturtle> dvd
[02:05] <ShadowRage> how do I add joystick devices in ubuntu?
[02:05] <CarlK> yeah, I was wonderin about packages
[02:06] <Janux> Hi, I have a question, does RamDisk mean that I mount a partition to my RAM?
[02:06] <amonkey> how can i get multiple instances of totem?
[02:06] <GoneBoB> Janux: basically, yes
[02:07] <theturtle> For anyone running latest hoary
[02:07] <theturtle> where does it grab your packages from?
[02:07] <ShadowRage> how can I use gameport devices under ubuntu with the 2.6 kernel?
[02:08] <theturtle> just a general question, what repository
[02:08] <Janux> GoneBoB, Then if I have a my database installed on /opt/MySQL/db.db, if I mount this partition /opt to RAM, it is supposedly loading much much faster, right?
[02:08] <mindmedic> ShadowRage, gameport module is called ns558
[02:08] <GoneBoB> Janux: it's a lot more complicated than that
[02:08] <GoneBoB> if you have lots of ram
[02:08] <GoneBoB> the db will be cached in ram anyway
[02:08] <mindmedic> what kind of gameport have you got?
[02:08] <CarlK> Janux - you probably don't want to try to outsmart the OS and how it uses ram ;)
[02:08] <ShadowRage> mindmedic: is that for a certain joystick/controller? or for a certain gameport?
[02:09] <XplOzIon> hi
[02:09] <ShadowRage> because I have a soundblaster live and it uses emu10ka_gp
[02:09] <ShadowRage> er
[02:09] <ShadowRage> because I have a soundblaster live and it uses emu10k1_gp
[02:09] <mindmedic> ohh.. yeah thats the right one then
[02:09] <mindmedic> i got that too
[02:09] <Janux> CarlK, What I mean is that sometimes some applications or programs take a lot of time loading and swapping from disk, if I put that program/application on RamDisk, it should load much faster since everything is one Ram, right?
[02:09] <ShadowRage> mindmedic: how do I create the /dev entries?
[02:10] <CarlK> Janux - no.
[02:10] <ShadowRage> or do you even have a clue?
[02:10] <mindmedic> ShadowRage, load the drivers for your joystick
[02:10] <Determinist> ok , what's the difference between hoary hedgehog 5.04 and simply 5.04 , because there seems to be a difference
[02:10] <Janux> CarlK, why?
[02:10] <Determinist> trying to download the installation CD and this small detail puzzles me.
[02:10] <GoneBoB> Determinist: hoary is the name for 5.04
[02:10] <CarlK> Janux - if swap is happening, taking away ram is going to cause more swapping
[02:10] <KaiL_> hwdb-gui doesn't work here, I guess it has some "hidden" dependencies...:(
[02:11] <Janux> CarlK, what if I have enough RAM to make Swap partition on RAM as well?
[02:11] <CarlK> Janux - um, thats 'dumb'
[02:11] <Janux> CarlK, why?
[02:11] <nickrud> Janux, do you have, like, 8GB mem?
[02:11] <CarlK> Janux that is like building a garage inside your garage
[02:11] <ShadowRage> mindmedic: which would be? (saitek p-120)
[02:12] <Janux> nickrud, I guess....2GB?  hahaha...I mean I only put that application and swap on RAM
[02:12] <CarlK> swap is for when you run out of ram  - the OS will use the HD's swap as "more ram":
[02:12] <mindmedic> i do not have that one
[02:12] <Janux> CarlK, ya...but I mean is it possible? like in theory at least?  no offense, I am a newbie in linux world but I am just trying everything
[02:12] <mindmedic> dont know the driver...#
[02:12] <nickrud> Janux, no offense, bug I suggest you do the same as me: let those guys with doctorates figure out how to use my memory most efficently
[02:13] <nickrud> s/bug/but
[02:13] <CarlK> Janux - maybe.  I have considered using a 512meg usb thumb drive for swap
[02:13] <holy_cow> Janux, you can load a knoppix live cd all into ramdisk sure
[02:13] <abarbaccia> Janux, swap is simply a place where the kernel uses the HDD as extra storage...if you don't want it using it, get more ram and it wont use it as often - but theres a point of redundancy
[02:13] <holy_cow> Janux, you would be surprised just how 'unfast' programs actually load :)
[02:13] <Janux> nickrud, hehehe....
[02:13] <holy_cow> Janux, it's not that impressive to be perfectly honest
[02:14] <ShadowRage> ........
[02:14] <flux_> any ideas on where i can get information on installing my creative webcam nx pro?
[02:14] <holy_cow> flux_, google for whether or not its supported by linux
[02:14] <flux_> thanks for your help, holy_cow
[02:14] <Janux> holy_cow, really....hmm.....cuz some programs that I run really loads very slowly for startup...
[02:14] <mindmedic> find out which driver you need
[02:14] <Janux> CarlK, that sounds interesting
[02:14] <abarbaccia> Janux, like what programs?
[02:14] <holy_cow> flux_, if it is, usually its as simple as modprobing the right driver, plugin stuff into usb, and loading up the right application to send/recieve images from it
[02:14] <mindmedic> the joydev module takes care of the joystick devices in /dev
[02:15] <Janux> abarbaccia, Sun Java Application Server 8.1
[02:15] <XplOzIon> does "prelink" app realy help?
[02:15] <mindmedic> then you need to calibrate the joystick
[02:15] <holy_cow> Janux, open office is slow, gimp is slow relatively speaking
[02:15] <nickrud> CarlK, that is a verry interesting idea
[02:15] <flux_> i've seen people modprobing, but haven't done it myself...
[02:15] <flux_> could you by any chance...
[02:15] <holy_cow> java app server? i've never run that, i run domino, that starts same on win and linux
[02:15] <Janux> holy_cow, ya, what about gimp? if I put it on RAM does it load faster?
[02:15] <Janux> holy_cow, ic ic...
[02:15] <flux_> could you help me, maybe?
[02:16] <CarlK> Janux - what will make a difference is putting differnnt 'parts' on different drives - swap on hdb1, db files on hdc1, OS on sda1, program on sdd1
[02:16] <holy_cow> Janux, yes, but it's not so significantly faster to really be worth the trouble to set it up
[02:16] <k4rl> where would the config be that decided that _ and . are treated as alphabetically the same?
[02:16] <holy_cow> Janux, actually get a knoppix cd, load it into ram there is a boot command line you pass to it to do that
[02:16] <CarlK> (I changed from ide to scsi cuz I think that will 'help' but probably not enough to make it worth it
[02:16] <holy_cow> all apps will be in ram if you have more than 1.5 gigs of ram
[02:16] <k4rl> ls has decided that blah_a.jpg comes before blah.jpg, and and blah_q.jpg comes after.
[02:16] <Janux> holy_cow, ya I heard that loading Ramdisk is just a kernel boot command
[02:16] <holy_cow> then start up gimp just to compare ... should be on same cpu type of systesm, same ram speed
[02:17] <Janux> nickrud, lol...I am on 128MB now buddy
[02:17] <holy_cow> Janux, i was expecting it to be faster but to be honest the executables still haveto run, check stuff, setup stuff, claim resources and so on, so not unexpected
[02:17] <CarlK> Janux - kernel ramdisk is so the kernel can have files to read from before it knows how to read from the HD
[02:18] <nickrud> Janux, I watch my swap very carefully, and unload programs to keep it down, Carlk's idea of thumbdrive swap is seductive ...
[02:18] <holy_cow> Janux, as opposed to say having a running application already in the background, opening up a new window in open office or gimp is instantaneous because requesting a new window for example is orders of magnitude less than starting up the initial binaries
[02:18] <holy_cow> Janux, in other words, depends how you look at the whole process
[02:19] <Janux> holy_cow, ic....cuz I really like the idea of ramdisk
[02:19] <holy_cow> nickrud, you have greater bandwidth throughput on your drives, i'm guessing usb thumb drive swap would be slower, but an interesting experiment?
[02:19] <CarlK> nickrud - I thought about what would happen when I forgot what I was doing and pulled the thumbdrive ;)
[02:19] <holy_cow> Janux, then try knoppix all in ram, see for your self
[02:19] <sick-headache> can someone help me with a problem?
[02:19] <lotia> is there a way to print to pdf in warty?
[02:19] <nickrud> holy_cow, CarlK I'll try it, and pulling :)\
[02:19] <lotia> i'd like to print to pdf from firefox (receipt for online purchase)
[02:20] <CarlK> rock on
[02:20] <Janux> holy_cow, true...what about Ubuntu Live CD? same thing?
[02:20] <theturtle> so what is warty?
[02:20] <sick-headache> oh do i unrar rar sets, i only get errors
[02:20] <holy_cow> Janux, i don't know if that has all to ram capability
[02:20] <fightingfortofu> hi!
[02:21] <Janux> holy_cow, okay..I will try both...hehee...thx a lot
[02:21] <_Trintity_> hi
[02:21] <slappy15> holy cow..holycow is still here
[02:21] <slappy15> is nick, too?
[02:21] <sick-headache> Jj #single
[02:22] <nickrud> yo
[02:22] <slappy15> yo!
[02:22] <Tweek> hello
[02:22] <XplOzIon> Help: Firefox crashes.. for some reason it started to crash :( and cant hear the sound of flash, can anyone help me?
[02:22] <Tweek> can anyone help me? i get this error whenever i try to mount a cdrom mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda,
[02:22] <Tweek>        or too many mounted file systems
[02:22] <abarbaccia> XplOzIon, have you ran it in a terminal and looked for output as to why its crashing?
[02:22] <slappy15> wrong device, tweek
[02:22] <thoreauputic> lotia: there's an option to priny to file as .ps - then you could do ps2pdf command to convert ( I haven't tried it, but should work)
[02:22] <abarbaccia> Tweek, are you sure your cdrom is hda
[02:22] <_Trintity_> does passing dpkg -i kernel-version twice over ride the first?
[02:23] <thoreauputic> *print
[02:23] <nickrud> Tweek, every time that happend to me, I had a bad disk
[02:23] <Tweek> no o.0
[02:23] <mjc> http://www.pastebin.com/275984
[02:23] <mjc> ideas anyone?
[02:23] <holy_cow> XplOzIon, remove your flash plugin first and see if that fixes it, then remove all your extensions, also check if fox dies at certain sites only
[02:23] <hans_> is there any burning software for ubuntu?
[02:23] <Tweek> ive tried many disc's
[02:23] <abarbaccia> Tweek, fdisk -l
[02:23] <XplOzIon> abarbaccia, not really because i dont know how and actually a noob
[02:23] <Tweek> ok
[02:23] <slappy15> tweek, you listed /dev/hda
[02:23] <fightingfortofu> it looks like itll take forever to install graphics drivers!
[02:23] <slappy15> bad superblock on /dev/hda,
[02:23] <abarbaccia> XplOzIon, okay, well for starters to go Applications, system, terminal
[02:23] <Tweek> -fdisk looked for hdc
[02:23] <holy_cow> hans_, gnomebaker is cool
[02:23] <abarbaccia> then type in firefox, and when it crashes see waht it says
[02:23] <slappy15> look in dmesg for ide devices
[02:24] <slappy15> grep for hd
[02:24] <slappy15> dmesg |grep hd
[02:24] <holy_cow> hans_, also gnome comes with a cd burner, open up nautilus, go to places > cd burner in the window
[02:24] <limer> I have a fatal error with modprobe ns558
[02:24] <limer> FATAL: Error inserting ns558 (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/drivers/input/gameport/ns558.ko): No such device
[02:24] <lotia> thoreauputic: thanks, i knew that, was wondering if i could do it directly, that way, i could then search the pdf file.
[02:24] <green_earz> sick-headache; in debian its unrar-nonfree  so ???
[02:24] <Tweek> hda: ATAPI 40X CD-ROM CD-R/RW drive, 2048kB Cache ?
[02:24] <KaiL_> is suspend to disk possible with a swapfile or does it require a swap partition?
[02:24] <slappy15> wow..its hda
[02:25] <nickrud> some peoples systems ....
[02:25] <slappy15> well.. fdisk -t <fstype> /dev/hda1 /mnt/cdrom
[02:25] <XplOzIon> abarbaccia, im on it
[02:25] <abarbaccia> slappy15, that's just determined by the bios
[02:25] <slappy15> fstype might be iso9660
[02:25] <abarbaccia> XplOzIon, did you run firefox from the terminal?
[02:25] <slappy15> whats that? dmesg?
[02:25] <jason--> hello everybody... just checking... ubuntu hasn't seen any new updates for awhile, is this normal?
[02:25] <abarbaccia> what drive letter the kernel assigns to your ide devices
[02:25] <slappy15> abarbaccia: whatcha mean its determined by the bios?
[02:25] <nickrud> jason--, there have been updates to wallpapers, a mozilla locale, and kdelibs, that's it
[02:26] <hans_> is there a burning software for ubuntu which can burn vcds or svcds just like k3b for kde
[02:26] <slappy15> right, but im trying to tell him how to find which hda device it is
[02:26] <slappy15> which hd
[02:26] <Tweek> fdisk: invalid option -- t @ slapp15
[02:26] <nickrud> jason--, and that's normal :)
[02:26] <holy_cow> fdisk -l
[02:26] <sick-headache> green_earz is that a program?
[02:26] <XplOzIon> abarbaccia, yes, and its funny from terminal it doesnt crash, till now
[02:26] <abarbaccia> right - im just saying its not that abnormal for it to be hda
[02:26] <slappy15> ohh..shit..im sorry..
[02:26] <holy_cow> that should tell you about your partitions and filesystems
[02:26] <slappy15> not fdisk, mount
[02:26] <slappy15> lol
[02:26] <slappy15> im sorry!
[02:26] <Tweek> ok
[02:26] <Tweek> np
[02:26] <slappy15> *smacks self in face*
[02:27] <nickrud> s/smacks/slaps
[02:27] <fightingfortofu> im super new to linux and am following http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557 to install ati drivers, how do i find out my kernal version?
[02:27] <slappy15> holycow is right too, fdisk -l is good
[02:27] <limer> :P
[02:27] <green_earz> sick-headache: yes its the one for debian that un packs rar files
[02:27] <slappy15> fightingfortofu: uname -a
[02:27] <Tweek> mount: mount point /mnt/cdrom does not exist :|
[02:27] <holy_cow> hans_, try gnomebaker, if it doesn't just install k3b then :)
[02:27] <abarbaccia> well, if it does crash from the terminal there should be some output as to why, and if not, look online and google to find out where the system logs are for firefox and take a peek
[02:27] <slappy15> ok, just /mnt then
[02:27] <limer> would someone help me with modprobe plz :D
[02:27] <slappy15> or mkdir /mnt/cdrom
[02:27] <abarbaccia> Tweek, mkdir /mnt/cdrom
[02:27] <fightingfortofu> slappy15, it brings up 'Linux'
[02:27] <sick-headache> green_earz cant find that prog
[02:27] <XplOzIon> abarbaccia, ok it crashed, and it will close only if i force to do so
[02:27] <slappy15> uname -a
[02:27] <XplOzIon> abarbaccia, shoul i force exit?
[02:28] <fightingfortofu> minus!
[02:28] <jason--> ok thanks dudes
[02:28] <green_earz> sick-headache: do a apt-cache search unrar
[02:28] <holy_cow> we should just write a metapackage and some bas scripting to autoinstall nvidia and ati drivers, would avoid 1/3 of the questions in the last two days i think :)
[02:28] <abarbaccia> XplOzIon, well, does the terminal have any output in it as to why its hanging
[02:28] <fightingfortofu> ok that worked thanks!
[02:28] <sick-headache> green_earz unrar is installed
[02:28] <abarbaccia> is it "crashing" or just hanging
[02:28] <Tweek> can i send you the error slappy15?
[02:28] <slappy15> sure
[02:28] <abarbaccia> holy_cow, I completely agree
[02:28] <hans_> is there a burning software for ubuntu which can burn vcds or svcds just like k3b for kde
[02:29] <abarbaccia> hans_ why dont u just install k3b?
[02:29] <CarlK> hans - yeah, k3b ;)
[02:29] <sick-headache> was about to say the same
[02:29] <slappy15> ok, fdisk -l /dev/hda , plz
[02:29] <theturtle> how can i grab alll the current packages for hoary?
[02:29] <hans_> does that word on gnome?
[02:29] <abarbaccia> yes
[02:29] <holy_cow> hans_, why do you keep ignoring what people tell you? heh, thats the fourth time
[02:29] <theturtle> i can't use apt-zip i'm not currently on linux
[02:29] <XplOzIon> abarbaccia, nope it doesnt say anything, when i force fox to exit terminal just say Killed
[02:29] <Tweek> you mean mount? :o
[02:29] <abarbaccia> everything works with everything in linux - it just needs to install some libraries
[02:29] <slappy15> lol..no, fdisk this time
[02:29] <slappy15> the -l is good
[02:29] <Tweek> ok
[02:29] <holy_cow> hans_, also try google, thats usually more helpfull than screaming at random peopel onsome irc channel
[02:30] <slappy15> LOL
[02:30] <abarbaccia> yea, because you made it quit - its hanging on a loop or something - can't really help you there...try uninstalling and reinstalling...
[02:30] <hans_> loooool
[02:30] <Tweek> ok it seems to have worked o.0
[02:30] <nickrud> hans_, yes, it wil work fine, this is ubuntu/debian :)
[02:30] <XplOzIon> abarbaccia, ok, and how about no sound when playing flash files?
[02:30] <hans_> ok thx
[02:30] <slappy15> what worked, tweek?
[02:30] <abarbaccia> still no idea - maybe the reinstall will fix both...
[02:31] <Tweek> fdisk -l /dev/hda
[02:31] <Tweek> no error output
[02:31] <slappy15> nice
[02:31] <holy_cow> XplOzIon, there is a fix for the flash sound, google and search ubuntu website, it's on there
[02:31] <slappy15> do a df
[02:31] <sick-headache> green_earz i have the solution, i'll move it to the window machine, and unrar it there :D
[02:31] <XplOzIon> abarbaccia, :( thank for your help, ill try to install fox 1.0.3
[02:31] <holy_cow> XplOzIon, its simple but i forget what it was, i think selecting the right sound server or something like that
[02:31] <Tweek> can i send you the output?
[02:31] <XplOzIon> holy_cow, ok thank you. ill do search
[02:32] <holy_cow> XplOzIon, also on the same ubuntu page you will find a fix for xmms sound problems if you have those, they are related
[02:32] <abarbaccia> XplOzIon, well, just go into synaptic (from system -> administration -> snaptic) and search for firefox and choose reinstall
[02:32] <holy_cow> oh i remember firefox didn't get a certain setting written so you haveto change that in the right place ... just a general tip
[02:33] <Thorrn4> WOW Ubuntu has a update warning feature....this Distro gets better and better for me
[02:33] <holy_cow> reinstalling might help actually, because the sound issue is a result of certain setting parameters not being written
[02:34] <slappy15> ya, go for it tweek
[02:34] <sick-headache> Well i'm off to the evergoing sleeping grounds. Good night ppl
[02:34] <XplOzIon> ok ill do that thanks
[02:34] <slappy15> where is it?
[02:34] <theturtle> nickrud: u stilll around, wondering if you've ever used apt-zip before
[02:34] <slappy15> it did not mount?
[02:34] <XplOzIon> only sound problems are flash, but they started today same as fox crashing
[02:34] <slappy15> whats the fstype when you do the fdisk -l on /dev/hda
[02:34] <nickrud> theturtle, it's been a while, but for about a year I lived by it.
[02:34] <Tweek> it didnt say o.0
[02:35] <Epix> Hi, i have a USB wireless adapter and im wondering how to get it working with ubuntu. It shows up under ifconfig as sit0 (or at least i think thats it). how can i get the device working?
[02:35] <theturtle> it doesn't really say, much how to use it , just curious for now how to grab the packages with it
[02:35] <slappy15> wtf..
[02:36] <nickrud> theturtle, let me install it and refamiliarize my self ...
[02:36] <owlmanatt> Say, why can't I middle click in firefox to go to the URL in the clipboard?
[02:36] <kkathman> any LAMP PHP developers in here?
[02:36] <Epix> or will these usb devices even work on Linux
[02:36] <owlmanatt> It works in the mozilla download, but not in the ubuntu package.
[02:36] <theturtle> i dunno if it does it, or i gotta use wget, either way i dont know what dir i'm supposed to be pulling on the ubuntu ftp :/
[02:36] <Epix> kkathman: you might want to try #php
[02:37] <theturtle> i'm seriously lost :D
[02:37] <Tweek> :<
[02:37] <holy_cow> Epix, you need to first google if your particular adapter is supported
[02:37] <theturtle> i'd try it out now, but i don't have apt on this machine (windows)
[02:37] <holy_cow> Epix, wireles on linux is finicky, you need to basically bu y supported hardware
[02:37] <scott_> what's a good bit torrent client? gnome-btdownload appears to not resume properly
[02:37] <kkathman> Epix: ok thanks, just had a question on Quanta
[02:38] <slappy15> tweek, what kind of cd is this?
[02:38] <Tweek> cdr
[02:38] <Tweek> w
[02:38] <Tweek> 4x
[02:38] <slappy15> hrm...
[02:38] <slappy15> well
[02:38] <slappy15> if you're desperate
[02:38] <slappy15> dd if=/dev/cdrom of=./cd.iso
[02:38] <holy_cow> Epix, once you know basically you modprobe the driver to install it, on prism54 cards you download the firmware to the right place, and then use iwconfig to set everything up and start it, including typing in your encryption key
[02:38] <slappy15> then mount that iso
[02:38] <slappy15> mount -o loop ./cd.iso /mnt/cdrom
[02:38] <Tweek> ok,
[02:38] <kkathman> Epix: its not really a PHP question really, I was curious as to Quanta's preview of web stuff with Flash in it
[02:38] <Nalioth> scott_, if you have java, use azureus, if no java, i use bittornado
[02:38] <slappy15> sorry..im out of ideas
[02:38] <slappy15> but the dd should work
[02:39] <Tweek> i have to go for a while, if i dont come back ive passed out :<
[02:39] <fightingfortofu> if i wanted to use the xorg.conf provided in http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557 what would i need to edit? it says to atleast enter the params for your keyboard/mouse but how do you find out what those are?
[02:39] <Tweek> thanks a bunch
[02:39] <holy_cow> kkathman, not very comprehensive like macromedia dreamy's is
[02:39] <Epix> kkathman: but you are more likely to find *PHP* developers in #*PHP* :P
[02:39] <nickrud> theturtle, the way you use it is, on your linux machine, select the packages you want, then take the script to a networked machine
[02:39] <holy_cow> kkathman, its basically good for standard stuff, you can see pictures and text and formatting, but with flash and other embedded stuff ... you upload and preview in browser
[02:40] <nickrud> the networked machine will download, you take the stuff back to your linux machine, and install
[02:40] <holy_cow> kkathman, they are improving it of course, the guy supporting the quanta project is awesome
[02:41] <Epix> holy_cow: is ndiswrapper a module tha i cna probe (up the ass)?
[02:41] <joe|code> Heh my gf dumped mandrake on her notebook for ubuntu
[02:41] <kkathman> holy_cow: okies, just wondered if it was a setting I was missing or something
[02:41] <nickrud> fightingfortofu, use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, it will create a config
[02:41] <hybrid8> mandravia sux
[02:41] <holy_cow> Epix, oh i've never used that, i guess thats an option but you will need to google unfortunately, i have no experience with that
[02:41] <hybrid8> it is like windows on unix
[02:41] <holy_cow> kkathman, nope :)
[02:42] <fightingfortofu> nickrud, awesome. then the drivers should work?
[02:42] <nickrud> fightingfortofu, what kind of card do you have?
[02:42] <kkathman> holy_cow: yeah I wonder if I could just set it to preview in an external browser.???
[02:42] <holy_cow> hybrid8, then you would like xandros even less :)
[02:42] <penguinboy> joe\code....pc????
[02:42] <fightingfortofu> nickrud, 9600xt
[02:43] <nickrud> hybrid8, bite your tongue. If it wasn't for mandrake, I'd have not used linux long enough to be able to run debian/ubuntu :)
[02:43] <hybrid8> holy_cow: lol i started with mandravia at the time it wz good b/c i loved windows. now i worship ubuntu :P
[02:43] <holy_cow> kkathman, i can't remember i haven't done web stuff in a few years, i think the basic idea would be to have an autoupload dealy in quanta, and then hit refresh on your browser as opposed to what you are thinking how dreamy does it
[02:43] <hybrid8> nickrud: lol well that wouldnt have affected *ME* :P
[02:43] <joe|code> this is my second day using Ubuntu and I stayed up most of last night playing
[02:43] <joe|code> I love it.
[02:44] <hybrid8> nickrud: it was my first distro
[02:44] <holy_cow> joe|code, welcome to linux
[02:44] <sproingie> wow 32 bit chroot with breezy is hosed
[02:44] <holy_cow> joe, just make sure you are having fun :)
[02:44] <sproingie>  /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6: symbol _dl_starting_up, version GLIBC_PRIVATE not defined in file ld-linux.so.2 with link time reference
[02:44] <holy_cow> sproingie, pretty well everything is on  breezy
[02:44] <joe|code> I have used Linux and BSD for years, just started using Ubuntu though.
[02:44] <fightingfortofu> nickrud, wont http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&page=1&pp=10 be sufficient?
[02:44] <hybrid8> if i apt-get update do i have to restart
[02:44] <nickrud> hybrid8, suse 6.3 for a month, then redhat, then mandrake, which let me play with linux from scratch, which taught me enough to run debian :)
[02:44] <holy_cow> joe|code, ah! :) in that case, nm
[02:44] <holy_cow> lol
[02:44] <sproingie> holy_cow: libc6 is horked for everyone?  hoah.
[02:45] <hybrid8> joe|code: how is bsd i have wanted to try it
[02:45] <holy_cow> sproingie, one ubuntu dev was in here basically saying that its in a very large state of flux, any real hacking doesn't start until next week or some such
[02:45] <holy_cow> besides yo uhaveto expect that, breezy is the equivalent to debians experimental
[02:45] <holy_cow> veeeeery unstable :)
[02:45] <Nalioth> hybrid8, only restart needed is when you upgrade your kernel
[02:45] <nickrud> fightingfortofu, yup, but first do the dpkg-reconfigure thing, it will set up the basics so you don't have to, and sorry for the implied insult :)
[02:45] <holy_cow> kinda like fedora core 3
[02:45] <holy_cow> -_-
[02:45] <hybrid8> nickrud: i had win me then win xp that made me go to mdk then osx for a while then finally the holy grail ubuntu
[02:46] <hybrid8> Nalioth: ok ty
[02:46] <holy_cow> hybrid8, you left osx? how come?
[02:46] <sproingie> holy_cow: now that hoary's released, i had assumed it would be like unstable
[02:46] <holy_cow> just curious
[02:46] <holy_cow> sproingie, not at all
[02:46] <Nalioth> hybrid8, why did you leave OSX?
[02:46] <hybrid8> holy_cow: i wanted unix and osx was not very unixy
[02:47] <nickrud> hybrid8, if we go that far back, i need to mention sinclair zx80 and atari-dos
[02:47] <hybrid8> lol
[02:47] <hybrid8> b4 i wz born
[02:47] <holy_cow> hybrid8, i'm getting a mac because i need to have familiarity, but i too am very happy with gnome 2.10
[02:47] <hybrid8> holy_cow: they r porting it to osx and fink lets you run real unix apps
[02:47] <holy_cow> porting what to osx?
[02:48] <fightingfortofu> nickrud, thanks!
[02:48] <hybrid8> but os x is not very unixy it is like bsd - s
[02:48] <nickrud> fightingfortofu, np
[02:48] <holy_cow> you mean gtk?
[02:48] <hybrid8> ** bsd -d
[02:48] <holy_cow> hybrid8, id say bsd is more unixy than linux :)
[02:48] <hybrid8> holy_cow: they are working on porting *gnome* to osx
[02:48] <holy_cow> whois?
[02:48] <holy_cow> gnome? why would anyone port gnome?
[02:49] <holy_cow> thats like porting kde to windows
[02:49] <Nalioth> hybrid8, did you run fink and darwinports on OSX?
[02:49] <holy_cow> which i understand is being done regardless ... hehe :)
[02:49] <hybrid8> holNalioth: no
[02:49] <holy_cow> hybrid8, website?
[02:49] <hybrid8> idk
[02:49] <holy_cow> nickrud, i thought you had some typewriters to work on?
[02:49] <hybrid8> h/o ill look
[02:49] <Nalioth> i'm runnin ubuntu on an older ibook cuz its snappier
[02:50] <holy_cow> nickrud, and how are those typwriters connected to irc?
[02:50] <holy_cow> :)
[02:50] <holy_cow> hehehe
[02:50] <holy_cow> j/k!!!!
[02:50] <Nalioth> if OSX 10.4 would run this snappy on this hardware, i'd be on OSX
[02:50] <nickrud> holy_cow, the olnly reason I mention typewriters was I just had to use one, and ruined 5 forms before I got it right
[02:50] <hybrid8> Nalioth: it is way more powerfull then osx and if you config right then it plays multimedia juss as well
[02:51] <BRiLo> Buenas _Legion_ =) Un Argentino! :P
[02:51] <holy_cow> nickrud, i'm kidding, i thought it was funny to compare oo to a typewriter
[02:51] <holy_cow> hehe :)
[02:51] <nickrud> holy_cow, please don't hold that over my head forever :)
[02:51] <holy_cow> nickrud, i'm shallow like that >_>
[02:51] <holy_cow> -_-
[02:51] <nickrud> holy_cow, I'm shallow like that also :)
[02:52] <_Legion_> BRiLo, that rude dude ...
[02:52] <_Legion_> :P
[02:52] <BRiLo> j0z o_O
[02:52] <BRiLo> No se ingls.. xD
[02:52] <nickrud> BRiLo, #ubuntu-es
[02:52] <penguinboy> Beunos tardes, Brilo
[02:52] <hybrid8> holy_cow: http://primates.ximian.com/~aaron/doing/evo-osx.html
[02:53] <BRiLo> nickrud ya estoy :P
[02:53] <nickrud> BRiLo, I'll look that up :)
[02:53] <sproingie> plan9, it's more unixy than unix
[02:53] <hybrid8> lol u said unixy
[02:53] <BRiLo> Buenas tardes penguinboy =)
[02:53] <hybrid8> thats *MY* word lol :P
[02:53] <penguinboy> Como esta usted?
[02:53] <dip> whats up with ubuntu not having any other window managers other than gnome and kde
[02:53] <dip> that sucks
[02:54] <sproingie> dip: the fact that that's not true?
[02:54] <nickrud> dip, they're all there, just apt-get
[02:54] <hybrid8> dip: xfce flux matchbox e17
[02:54] <mjg59> It has lots of others. They're mostly in universe.
[02:54] <holy_cow> hybrid8, so they are using fink to rung gnome?
[02:54] <holy_cow> weird
[02:54] <dip> I guess its synaptic that doesnt find them than
[02:55] <sproingie> dip: enable universe
[02:55] <hybrid8> dip: sudo apt-cqache search
[02:55] <thoreauputic> dip: BTW just to be pedantic, gnome and kde are not window managers :)
[02:55] <holy_cow> i understand evolution is being natively ported to windows by novell however
[02:55] <sproingie> holy_cow: hope they make it faster
[02:55] <nickrud> holy_cow, now _that_ is the holy grail
[02:56] <sproingie> granted evolution scales better, but it just feels sluggish
[02:56] <sproingie> meanwhile outlook 2003 is .... well it's mostly tolerable!
[02:56] <sproingie> high praise for outlook really
[02:56] <fightingfortofu> nickrud, something didnt work.
[02:56] <fightingfortofu> OpenGL vendor string: Mesa project: www.mesa3d.org
[02:57] <holy_cow> nickrud, lol, i have no great love of ms or apple for that matter
[02:57] <sproingie> outlook with lookout is pretty nice.  i derive no end of amusement from the fact that MS bought LookOut
[02:57] <nickrud> fightingfortofu, I don't use an ati card, so I'm the wrong person to ask
[02:57] <sproingie> so now there really is a microsoft LookOut
[02:57] <holy_cow> sproingie, what is lookout?
[02:57] <fightingfortofu> thanks for trying then!
[02:57] <sproingie> holy_cow: indexer and search for outlook.  really really fast
[02:58] <nickrud> fightingfortofu, some here can help, ask again
[02:58] <holy_cow> sproingie, they had to buy a company for that?
[02:58] <sproingie> holy_cow: heh.  apparently so.
[02:59] <fightingfortofu> nickrud, thanks. im reading the thread again to see if maybe i missed something
[02:59] <bur[n] er> anyone know if it's possible to run something from a run dialog to minimize all windows in gnome/metacity?
[02:59] <sproingie> considering we run lotus notes now ...
[02:59] <abarbaccia> hey anybody know if the ubuntu people have made fixes to things that are broken (bluetooth, gmailfs...)
[02:59] <manitoba98xp> I have an old PC. Win98 on it, was corrupted, considering installing Ubuntu on it. I have installed ubuntu before! It's a PIII, 400 MHz CPU, I think. It has 64MB RAM. Definately enough HDD space for Ubuntu. Should I install Hoary or Warty? It should run tolerably for the average user. (As in, fairly responsive). Or should I look elsewhere? I want to, if possible, install relatively new software.
[02:59] <holy_cow> sproingie, your kidding? lol
[02:59] <bur[n] er> sproingie: u could use evolution + exchange :)
[02:59] <holy_cow> i love notes
[03:00] <sproingie> lotus notes: great distributed application platform that happens to be bundled with a REALLY CRUMMY email client
[03:00] <abarbaccia> manitoba98xp, Haory
[03:00] <manitoba98xp> kk
[03:00] <manitoba98xp> Will it run well?
[03:00] <Nalioth> manitoba98xp, hoary, of course
[03:00] <manitoba98xp> I mean, with GNOME 2.10 & stuff
[03:00] <bur[n] er> yes
[03:00] <manitoba98xp> ok
[03:00] <bur[n] er> 64 megs is a bit rough
[03:00] <sproingie> there seems to be no end of the neat things you can do with notes.  except email
[03:00] <bur[n] er> might wanna go xfce
[03:00] <holy_cow> my only gripe with domino is it's too expensive, i'm ditching it for an open source app server and email setup, there is no way in hell i will ever run exchange again
[03:00] <abarbaccia> should run just as well as warty...oh, well, i dont htink that gnome 2.10 is going to lag you down
[03:00] <bur[n] er> or get more ram :)
[03:00] <bur[n] er> ram is cheap
[03:00] <manitoba98xp> in usa, yes. canada, harder to come by.
[03:00] <holy_cow> sproingie, glad you said that, most people use it for the wrong things *nod*
[03:01] <sproingie> you can't even search or sort subject lines in notes, except for the VERY latest version
[03:01] <bur[n] er> manitoba98xp: ebay?
[03:01] <abarbaccia> manitoba98xp, webpages are international ;
[03:01] <abarbaccia> ;)
[03:01] <manitoba98xp> yes, but shipping isnt'
[03:01] <bur[n] er> aww
[03:01] <bur[n] er> so true
[03:01] <manitoba98xp> and I WON'T drive to Texas for 32MB RAM or something like that
[03:01] <abarbaccia> hurm...sorry - didn't consider that
[03:01] <holy_cow> sproingie, their lotus team has a very closed development process
[03:01] <bur[n] er> lol
[03:01] <sproingie> holy_cow: the wrong things ... you mean, like email?
[03:01] <abarbaccia> i'm saying it may cost you a total of 20 bucks
[03:01] <manitoba98xp> would icewm run better than GNOME?
[03:02] <abarbaccia> it would be MUCH faster
[03:02] <manitoba98xp> Would GNOME still run acceptably on that hardware?
[03:02] <holy_cow> they once had their client completely open sourced i understand but they brought it in house for greed reasons
[03:02] <abarbaccia> you would have to try it out
[03:02] <bur[n] er> manitoba98xp: try xfce instead of ice ;)
[03:02] <manitoba98xp> kk
[03:02] <Nalioth> manitoba98xp, xfce recommended
[03:02] <abarbaccia> i would try gnome
[03:02] <manitoba98xp> its just some people who use it are familiar with win98
[03:02] <goldfish> xfce is sweet
[03:02] <bur[n] er> yeah, f it
[03:02] <bur[n] er> try gnome and see if it's fast :)
[03:02] <manitoba98xp> and ice is more similar
[03:02] <abarbaccia> and if its not fast enough, install xfce and just boot to that
[03:02] <manitoba98xp> kk
[03:02] <holy_cow> sproingie, exactly, i hate listening to people complain about notes when they have no clue that domino is not about email its an app server firs email second
[03:02] <sproingie> holy_cow: i imagine the code for lotus is a screaming horror, it's so old.  but it is solid.  it's damn hard to kill notes
[03:02] <Nalioth> manitoba98xp, for lightweightness
[03:02] <holy_cow> sproingie, domino is amazing
[03:02] <manitoba98xp> kk
[03:02] <holy_cow> its the client that sucks
[03:02] <manitoba98xp> will try gnome
[03:02] <manitoba98xp> then icewm, then xfce
[03:03] <sproingie> holy_cow: the databases that is.  the client falls over with a great big creak and thud quite frequently
[03:03] <sproingie> usually takes so long to die I have task manager finish it off
[03:03] <holy_cow> domino server is a work of wonder however
[03:03] <manitoba98xp> Thanks all! This community is great (This is my first time using IRC)! :)
[03:03] <holy_cow> i love that thing, easiest server i've ever adminned
[03:03] <holy_cow> ever
[03:03] <holy_cow> nothing touches how easy it is to install, config, backup, etc.
[03:04] <Daehlie> i am getting errors with the updates to kubuntu on kdelibs
[03:05] <holy_cow> sproingie, the neat thing about notes/domino is that they were actually around BEFORE the net became a commodity inthe 90's
[03:05] <holy_cow> they infact created notes/domino to create their own 'intraweb'
[03:05] <sproingie> holy_cow: well, that's good and bad
[03:05] <Nalioth> Daehlie, there is a conflict from a security update
[03:05] <sproingie> holy_cow: interface was a true horror until 6.5
[03:05] <holy_cow> if they played their cards right they could of really been the net infact, ran a huge portion of it
[03:06] <Nalioth> does someone have the address for the script to fix the security update/kdelibs thing?
[03:06] <sproingie> holy_cow: if ibm played its cards right ... they don't quite bat .500 there
[03:06] <holy_cow> sproingie, lol tell me about it, if they actually had a clue, they could of had their servers be the standard web app deployment platform
[03:06] <holy_cow> sproingie, ibm only bought them very late ... when?late 90's right?
[03:07] <holy_cow> ha, yeah ibm is kinda like that
[03:07] <sproingie> holy_cow: early 90's i believe
[03:07] <holy_cow> really? ah well then
[03:07] <holy_cow> touche
[03:07] <Ihavetiger> how is everyone doing?
[03:07] <cyklus> What editor/ide do you recommend for developing PHP code?
[03:07] <sproingie> tho it's not like lotus always played it smart
[03:07] <holy_cow> sproingie, man they were first tho, it kills me
[03:07] <holy_cow> adn as y ou said, only in the last year their client ui actually started to suck a LITTLE less
[03:08] <holy_cow> not much tho i still think its a mess :)
[03:08] <undre6k> question: im tryin to install from cd  and I get   The debootstrap program exites with an error (return value 1) do I have a bad cd or is this a known problem?
[03:08] <sproingie> yep.  no less than three different widget sets in notes
[03:08] <sproingie> perhaps four
[03:08] <holy_cow> that many? haha i never paid attention
[03:08] <nickrud> undre6k, where does this happen?
[03:08] <holy_cow> i still dread exchange more than notes tho, are you adminning that thing?
[03:09] <undre6k> nickrud: during  Install the base system
[03:09] <sproingie> hell no.  i know what a hell exchange is on the admins
[03:09] <sproingie> any MTA's i deal with are sendmail and postfix, and rarely that
[03:09] <holy_cow> smart :)
[03:09] <nickrud> undre6k, you need to ask this question on #ubuntu-devel , they're more competent on debootstrap
[03:10] <undre6k> ok
[03:11] <holy_cow> sproingie, just curious, was anyone looking into open exchange?
[03:11] <holy_cow> its cheaper and has pretty wall all the exchange features i think?
[03:11] <sproingie> huh.  i have a working bleeding edge libc6 on the 64 bit side.  just in my 32bit chroot, trying to dist-upgrade to breezy it screams and dies
[03:12] <sproingie> holy_cow: price isnt much of an issue with us
[03:12] <holy_cow> admins just go with what they are familiar?
[03:12] <holy_cow> heh
[03:12] <holy_cow> *nod*
[03:14] <cyklus> What editor/ide do you recommend for developing PHP code?
[03:14] <sproingie> cyklus: try 'em all out.  i use emacs.  but if you don't know emacs, you won't like emacs.
[03:14] <concept10> Does anyone have slow printing speeds in ubuntu compared to using WinXP?
[03:15] <fightingfortofu> anyone have the time to assist me in getting ati drivers intalled and tv out working?
[03:15] <nickrud> concept10, I think we all do :)
[03:15] <cyklus> sproingie: what about something like Bluefish?
[03:15] <sproingie> personally i recommend writing all php code to /dev/null, but that's just my opinion of PHP
[03:16] <KrispyKringle> sproingie: an excellent suggestion.
[03:16] <hardcopy> the same for perl
[03:16] <sproingie> PHP has become linux's Visual Basic
[03:16] <KrispyKringle> Worse, I think.
[03:16] <Nalioth> onefish twofish, redfish bluefish
[03:16] <cyklus> sproingie: what do you write web applications in?
[03:16] <hardcopy> i think everyone should code in scheme
[03:16] <goldfish> hey guys, just installed an ethernet card on an old pc here, running hoary, no X, i did ifconfig eth0 ip up && route add default gw ip, I can ping my router but can't ssh out, im new to this, any ideas what im doing wrong?
[03:16] <GoneBoB> spo0nman: that shows that you know nothing of php
[03:16] <KrispyKringle> Python or ruby would be my recommendation, cyklus.
[03:16] <GoneBoB> er sproingie
[03:17] <sproingie> cyklus: python, java, C++.  mostly python
[03:17] <Epix> anyone know how to get my WG111 working?
[03:17] <KrispyKringle> cyklus: As for editors, I would suggest you find an editor that is versatile, so you can use the same thing for all code--not having one for each language. Emacs, Vim, or Eclipse would fill that requirement.
[03:17] <bronson> Can anyone suggest a program to burn an audio CD?  K3B only does data...?
[03:17] <hardcopy> java is the worst programming language on the planet... it's more annoying that VB
[03:17] <bronson> I did a google search and just got back that it's impossible.  :)
[03:17] <KrispyKringle> GoneBoB: one can know much about PHP and choose to dislike it. ;)
[03:17] <hardcopy> it takes like forever to load any program
[03:17] <sproingie> cyklus: and of course loads of perl for all those one-offs
[03:17] <hybrid8> sproingie: what do you mean Linux's vb?
[03:17] <dantheman> use eclipse
[03:17] <cyklus> KrispyKringle: eclipse supports php.. nice
[03:18] <GoneBoB> KrispyKringle: yes but even a modicum of knowledge of VB and PHP
[03:18] <KrispyKringle> cyklus: I thought it did. I don't use it, though.
[03:18] <GoneBoB> is enough to know that they are so dissimilar
[03:18] <hardcopy> it's all about QBasic yo
[03:18] <hardcopy> QBasic is the future
[03:18] <dantheman> QBasic is awesome
[03:18] <cyklus> KrispyKringle: its awesome for java
[03:18] <dantheman> i do all my programming in QBasic
[03:18] <KrispyKringle> GoneBoB: Oh, I think he was making a rhetorical comparison, saying that PHP and VB are both popular, cater to dummies, and unrefined/poorly-designed.
[03:18] <KrispyKringle> cyklus: I've heard. I don't do much Java. I'm a Vim usser.
[03:18] <sproingie> what KK said
[03:18] <Epix> sproingie: is that gonna be in P6?
[03:18] <hardcopy> i think PHP is poorly designed, its hacked up in a way...
[03:19] <hardcopy> VB definitely was better design... but definitely was more catered toward novices
[03:19] <GoneBoB> KrispyKringle: VB caters to dummies by being a completely different language to everything else
[03:19] <sproingie> Epix: heh, yeah, pipes going both directions, left and right.  p6 is going to allow for program flow you havent seen since intercal
[03:19] <hardcopy> designed*
[03:19] <GoneBoB> PHP caters to dummies by making normal programming more palatable
[03:19] <nickrud> Epix, ask again when the noise level goes down :)
[03:19] <KrispyKringle> Well, it's still very hacked up and ill-designed.
[03:19] <Epix> nickrud: ask what
[03:19] <sproingie> Epix: personally i like haskell and lazy lists, but having to use state monads for variables makes it really kinda painful
[03:20] <KrispyKringle> So anyway, my big question, just offhand, is, what language is "ubuntu" actually in? :P
[03:20] <bronson> Is there any way to burn an audio CD in Ubuntu?
[03:20] <KrispyKringle> sproingie: used WASH at all?
[03:20] <KrispyKringle> Talk about overbearing type systems...
[03:20] <sproingie> GoneBoB: if you think php makes it more palatable, you'll love the hell out of python
[03:20] <GoneBoB> sproingie: I like python too
[03:20] <Levander> In warty, when I used to click on the thunderbird icon in the gnome panel, if I already had thunderbird running, it would just open that window.  However, in hoary, when I click on the thunderbird icon, it tries to open a new instance.  Any way to configure this so it acts like warty?
[03:20] <sproingie> KrispyKringle: not yet, keep wanting to.  every time the haskell bug bites, i get sidetracked
[03:20] <GoneBoB> however to dismiss PHP as silly like VB
[03:20] <sproingie> speaking of sidetracked, i got errands to ruin
[03:20] <GoneBoB> is extremely short sighted
[03:20] <sproingie> run.  possibly ruin too
[03:20] <GoneBoB> and closed minded
[03:20] <Epix> KrispyKringle: ok
[03:20] <darmou> I'm having trouble installing zope2.7 it comes up with lots of complie errors, using hoary can anyone help?
[03:21] <nickrud> Epix, never mind, you're int this shit
[03:21] <KrispyKringle> sproingie: I just finished a ~800 line project in it. It's not bad, but it really is overbearing with an excessive number of types.
[03:21] <sproingie> &
[03:21] <mvirkkil> undre6k: Here
[03:21] <Epix> KrispyKringle: ubuntu is based off of of the linux kernel written in C
[03:21] <bronson> Levander: that's a pain.  Report a bug maybe?
[03:21] <KrispyKringle> Epix: no, no. What language is the word "ubuntu" in.
[03:21] <Levander> bronson: yours does the same thing?
[03:21] <Epix> KrispyKringle: many progams in it are written in C, but there is no 1 language for them all
[03:21] <sproingie> KrispyKringle: WASH could *really* make use of GADT's
[03:21] <KrispyKringle> It sayhs "African" on the website, but African is not a language. I was just curious.
[03:21] <mvirkkil> undre6k: Having a boot partition shouldn't cause problems though. But they aren't generally needed.
[03:21] <sproingie> ok, gone for real this time
[03:21] <Epix> KrispyKringle: lol, like african or someting
[03:21] <sproingie> &
[03:22] <KrispyKringle> Epix: That's why I was curious. :P
[03:22] <undre6k> well I guess its a cd problem then
[03:22] <bronson> Levander: Can't tell.  I'm not in front of my laptop...
[03:22] <Levander> KrispyKringle: probably swahili
[03:22] <Levander> bronson: i'm gonna head over to #thunderbird on irc.mozilla.org and ask them
[03:23] <nickrud> undre6k, what answer did you get?
[03:23] <mvirkkil> undre6k: Or you messed up when partitioning, ie specified fron filesystem type for root, or boot or something elese.
[03:23] <undre6k> I tried to do the choose the automatic settings
[03:24] <mitrick> hello all
[03:24] <mitrick> i would like to know a few infos
[03:24] <mvirkkil> undre6k: The automatic settings don't contain a boot partition if I recall correctly
[03:24] <mitrick> im now on debian sarge got that installed
[03:25] <mvirkkil> mitrick: yes....
[03:25] <undre6k> I see , its done after Install the base system
[03:25] <mitrick> i got lots of probs cuz my hardware is more updated than what it has in apps
[03:25] <mitrick> i wanted to know how ubuntu was, i got kubuntu 5.04 dled yesterday
[03:25] <mitrick> cuz i want to use kde over gnome.
[03:25] <KrispyKringle> kbrooks: er, I was asking what language the word "ubuntu" is in, hence the quotation marks.
[03:25] <mitrick> can i do all same things that debian offers?
[03:25] <KrispyKringle> I don't think I could make it any clearer ;)
[03:26] <KrispyKringle> And, seriously, relax about people who give poor reviews to OSX. It's not the end of the world.
[03:26] <nickrud> mitrick, ubuntu 'is' debian, with some cosmetics
[03:26] <mitrick> ah
[03:26] <mitrick> so i can apt-get all the same apps that debians has on there servers?
[03:26] <nickrud> mitrick, with exceptions proving the rule.
[03:26] <Nalioth> mitrick,  http://www.ubuntuforums.org says that you can put ubuntu hoary repositories in your sources.list and have a party
[03:26] <mitrick> cuz i heard that ubuntu u cant use packages for sarge.
[03:27] <darkaudit> nickrud: but so is MEPIS, but even the locals dislike it :)
[03:27] <Nalioth> mitrick, if you go there, there's all kind of info
[03:27] <hybrid8> could someone /msg me on xml help the #xml is *DEAD*
[03:27] <nickrud> darkaudit, I haven't run anything but debian 2001, and only discovered ubuntu on a dare :)
[03:27] <mitrick> is it easy to enable root account too? or its better to leave it disabled on ubuntu?
[03:28] <GoneBoB> mitrick: yes and yes
[03:28] <hybrid8> disabled
[03:28] <Nalioth> mitrick, sudo is safer
[03:28] <mitrick> hmm even for configuring apache and rest?
[03:28] <Nalioth> mitrick, sure thing
[03:29] <mitrick> cuz ill make my kubuntu have an apache server, mysql and php
[03:29] <nickrud> mitrick, the ratio of paid ubuntu developers to debian developers is about 10:900, so ubuntu follows debian wherever they can
[03:29] <mitrick> ah nice
[03:29] <Levander> whose paying guys to work on debian?
[03:30] <mitrick> but is there on net some reviews that said that packages build for ubuntu breaks the compatibility of sarge
[03:30] <mitrick> something like that
[03:30] <nickrud> progeny, sun, hp, novell, anyone got some more
[03:30] <Levander> how do I get one of those jobs?
[03:30] <nickrud> Levander, you must be a rock star :)
[03:30] <mason> please let you people be more helpful than the EFNET users
[03:31] <Levander> yeah yeah
[03:31] <scott_> Levander: if you're good enough to get one of those jobs you'll know how to get one of them
[03:31] <nickrud> mason, we try
[03:31] <mason> I don't think they liked me they much
[03:31] <scott_> mason, what's the problem?
[03:31] <Nalioth> mitrick, going back is problematic, but sarge>hoary works fine
[03:31] <Levander> lol @ not like mason much
[03:31] <mitrick> ah ok then
[03:32] <mitrick> thx for help ill be back after kubuntu install...
[03:32] <mason> It's just a small problem about x.org
[03:32] <mitrick> btw is kubuntu with xorg?
[03:32] <mitrick> or xfree 4.3 like debian?
[03:32] <GoneBoB> mitrick: #ubuntu
[03:32] <GoneBoB> I assume xorg
[03:32] <GoneBoB> er
[03:32] <GoneBoB> #kubuntu
[03:32] <Burgundavia> kubuntu is xorg, ala ubuntu
[03:32] <mitrick> cuz i dont wont to mess with my nvidia drivers again to make X work
[03:33] <Burgundavia> kubuntu really isnt a deriv. It is simply kde on ubuntu
[03:33] <GoneBoB> mitrick: nvidia drivers are packaged
[03:33] <mitrick> what is the difference of kubuntu and ubuntu? just gnome and kde?
[03:33] <Levander> bronson: where do you post ubuntu bugs? notta in #thunderbird on the other server
[03:33] <Epix> crap
[03:33] <GoneBoB> mitrick: basically
[03:33] <Burgundavia> bronson, you file ubuntu bugs at bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[03:34] <Epix> why the hell does ubuntu include ndis module but not the tool!!!!
[03:34] <Burgundavia> bronson, but that I think is universe, so you file that at https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/distros/ubuntu/+bugs
[03:34] <Epix> FUCK!
[03:34] <mitrick> brb install kubuntu
[03:35] <Ihavetiger> how is everyone
[03:35] <GoneBoB> Epix: apt-get install ndiswrapper-utils
[03:35] <GoneBoB> Epix: sudo apt-get install ndiswrapper-utils
[03:36] <Epix> GoneBoB: is it on the CD?
[03:36] <GoneBoB> Epix: yes
[03:37] <Epix> GoneBoB: ok
[03:38] <Levander> Is there an easy way to find out what repository an installed package is in?
[03:38] <nakata> neat.
[03:38] <nickrud> Levander, apt-cache policy\
[03:38] <nickrud> Levander, and ignore the backslash :)
[03:38] <sproingie> nakata: oh?  do tell
[03:39] <nakata> sproingie: tracking it
[03:40] <Levander> nickrud: thanks, apparently thunderbird is in the main repository
[03:40] <nakata> sproingie: 'printf("%s\n", (char*)ptr);' works, then a subsequent call to a function using stdarg segfaults on vsnprintf citing a non-existant reference to address 0xffffffff
[03:40] <leonel> ff
[03:41] <mvirkkil> What time is it in sydney?
[03:42] <nakata> nope, only 32 bits :)
[03:44] <knucks> how do i open/forward a port on ubuntu?
[03:45] <nickrud> knucks, depends on the context :)
[03:45] <nickrud> details?
[03:45] <knucks> well i need to have port 6881 open for azerus
[03:45] <knucks> it seems to be "blacklisted"
[03:45] <knucks> but someteimes works
[03:45] <thegreedyturtle> knucks: what firewall do you have on?
[03:45] <knucks> thegreedyturtle: i havent installed any additional ones since hoary 5.04 upgrade
[03:46] <thegreedyturtle> knucks: are you sure it isn't being blocked by an external router of yours?
[03:46] <knucks> thegreedyturtle: it shouldnt..
[03:46] <Boohbah> knucks: you are using ubuntu on a firewall?
[03:46] <Epix> how do i change the subnetmask of dhclient
[03:46] <knucks> i checked and it says its forwarded
[03:46] <knucks> boohbah: dont know
[03:46] <jabra> dpkg: ../../main/packages.c:191: process_queue: Assertion `dependtry <= 4' failed.
[03:46] <discord> do you have to compile the ndis wrapper driver to use it in hoary?
[03:46] <jabra> thoughts???
[03:46] <jabra> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg exited unexpectedly
[03:46] <thegreedyturtle> knucks: i've got 5.04 and Azuereus, and i had no problems
[03:47] <green_earz> knucks: have you portforwarded 6881 from the router to the pc ip address
[03:47] <thegreedyturtle> knucks: i did not install any firewalls ever though, since i have a router that also functions as a firewall
[03:47] <knucks> its really weird
[03:47] <knucks> ive only started having problems with this one trancetraffic site
[03:48] <green_earz> knucks: and is the pc a static ip ?
[03:48] <knucks> geen_ears_ yeah
[03:48] <thegreedyturtle> knucks: one trick to bittorrent is that some sites don't like people who just use the default port, try switching it to 2403 or whatever
[03:48] <jabra> anyone have any ideas??
[03:48] <discord> anyone know of a guide to get wireless going in hoary?
[03:49] <jabra> I am writting a tool to handle precidence of joining wireless networks
[03:51] <green_earz> knucks: and have you give the port a range 10000 - 10010   so simuarl
[03:51] <knucks> hm i tried a diff port..seems ok now..
[03:51] <kkamrani> hi everyone
[03:52] <green_earz> knucks: dose the client have a port set up
[03:54] <mishof> is there an option to add programming languages syntax highlight support for GEDIT?
[03:55] <thegreedyturtle> mishof it might be on already
[03:55] <kkamrani> when i try to access my ubuntu box within my own network (whether it be with samba, ssh, or even web/intranet) i've noticed typing in just the hostname doesn't work. has anyone else noticed this, and what can i do to make it work
[03:55] <thegreedyturtle> your file may need to have the extension on it already
[03:56] <kkamrani> do i need to setup BIND in order for it to broadcast it's hostname?
[03:57] <nickrud> kkamrani, networks don't recognize names unless you have some kind of dns
[03:57] <kkamrani> ahh nickrud i thought so
[03:57] <XplOzIon> whats the depth for 1280x1024 ??
[03:58] <nickrud> XplOzIon, I run 8 bit :)
[03:58] <nickrud> XplOzIon, joke :)
[03:58] <kkamrani> nickrud, so i should set the box up as a nameserver by putzing around with BIND
[03:58] <XplOzIon> nickrud, :P
[03:58] <kkamrani> i mean do you recommend i do thatat
[03:59] <nickrud> kkamrani, there are easier ones available, ask here for suggestions :)
[03:59] <XplOzIon> nickrud, i need to add it in xorg since i installed ubuntu without monitor plueg in =D
[03:59] <punkrockguy318> how do I revert from the hoary backports back to vanilla hoary?
[04:00] <kkamrani> nickrud okay, thanks! i would love an easier alternative to setting up BIND
[04:00] <kkamrani> i cant wrap my mind around it
[04:00] <nickrud> XplOzIon, I'm not sure what you mean, bit depth has to do with color, not with resolution
[04:00] <kkamrani> anyone know of other ways to setup a nameserver than deploying BIND?
[04:01] <wilbertoki> in hoary gnome where can I set screensaver to not come on when totem is going
[04:01] <wilbertoki> kkamrani:  dnsmasq
[04:01] <kkamrani> awesome, wilbertoki!
[04:02] <punkrockguy318> how can I remove hoary backports?
[04:02] <wilbertoki> kkmanrai: apt-get install dnsmasq and you can set up hosts in /etc/hosts and all who use it will resolve them
[04:04] <XplOzIon> nickrud, damn my bad. i mean since i left ubuntu installin and pluged out the monitor it didnt catch its top resolution. So what the variales to add in xorg? is it depth 32 and Modes "1280x1024 "1024x768" "800x600"
[04:04] <wilbertoki> do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:05] <wilbertoki> u dont have to edit xorg.conf
[04:06] <avdd> What is the syntax for the 'debug' statement in apt-proxy to turn it off?
[04:06] <avdd> I cannot find any documentation
[04:07] <cef> is the nvidia module in ubuntu compatible with smp?
[04:13] <revelater> how do i make a system link?
[04:13] <revelater> or just a file link
[04:13] <revelater> ?
[04:13] <nickrud> revelater, ?
[04:13] <nickrud> revelater, you mean ln -s ?
[04:14] <solomarv> revelater, ln -s orignal_file a_link_file
[04:14] <revelater> yes... do i need teh -s though?
[04:14] <solomarv> revelater, pretty sure you do
[04:14] <nickrud> revelater, unless you know what you're doing, yes!
[04:14] <revelater> heh, ok
[04:14] <Cowlike> unless he wants it hard
[04:14] <dcraven> revelater: man ln might be helpful.
[04:14] <Cowlike> :)
[04:14] <nickrud> Cowlike, I will let that go :)
[04:15] <dave> I'm trying to install a network printer on a new ubuntu system. However when I try to start the printer admin program in Gnome it fails. Any ideas?
[04:15] <Epix> where do i get flash player?
[04:15] <solomarv> Epix, macromedia.com
[04:15] <nickrud> Epix, I got it from apt-get flashplayer-nonfree
[04:16] <Nalioth> revelater, talk to the "man" about "ln"
[04:17] <Epix> nickrud: no existy
[04:18] <Epix> whats so special about the universe packages?
[04:18] <dcraven> Epix: check the wiki.
[04:18] <revelater> nickrud, i am trying to create a link to my cdrom drive...
[04:19] <Cowlike> "apt-cache search flash" shows something called swf-player
[04:20] <solomarv> Cowlike, swf is shockwave, which is different from flash, i believe
[04:20] <green_earz> revelater: what dose /etc/fstab   say for which /deb/hdx is your cdrom
[04:20] <Epix> solomarv: no, flash exports swf
[04:20] <green_earz> revelater: cat /etc/fstab
[04:20] <solomarv> oh
[04:21] <nickrud> Epix, my bad, flashplugin-nonfree
[04:21] <revelater> heh, oops, wrong cd drive
[04:22] <nickrud> Epix, from multiverse
[04:22] <green_earz> solomarv: whick ide is the cdrom on ide 1 master or ide 1 slave or ie.
[04:22] <green_earz> solomarv: sorry which
[04:23] <Epix> i like how force quit ion gnome DOES SOMETHING
[04:24] <geargolem> how do I enable direct rendering?
[04:24] <Epix> ok, my new motto: Ubuntu: Why the hell did i ever use windows?
[04:24] <solomarv> green_earz: hdb?
[04:24] <nickrud> Epix, too long :)  What's windows?
[04:25] <Epix> nickrud: :P
[04:25] <green_earz> solomarv: so in /etc/fstab what the mount point for hdb ?
[04:25] <Epix> nickrud: omg, cant wait to get my sat speakers hooked up. one in each conrer of room... :D
[04:26] <darmou> has anyone installed zope2.7?
[04:26] <Epix> ummm
[04:26] <Epix> did ubunu just crash?
[04:26] <brenton> is suspending my laptop really safe?  I understand that if my battery were to die, i would loose all unsaved data... but are there any other risks involved?
[04:26] <Epix> it locked up
[04:26] <solomarv> green_earz: it depends on your hardware. try "grep cdrom /etc/fstab | awk '{print $1}'" (gosh, i'm fancy)
[04:26] <Future101> got a question room
[04:26] <Future101> I'm trying to install java on ubunut
[04:26] <Future101> ubuntu
[04:26] <nakata> funny that, this IS a question room..
[04:26] <Future101> and it gives me an error when I enter my root pass
[04:26] <Future101> like no authorization
[04:27] <Future101> lemmie copy and paste
[04:27] <nakata> try sudo?
[04:27] <PHPWannabe> What is the location of USB devices?  I have a memory stick in my USB port and I can't seem to find it.
[04:27] <Future101> yeah
[04:27] <Future101> I went to the terminal
[04:27] <Future101> typed su
[04:27] <geargolem> How do I enable direct rendering?
[04:27] <Future101> then it asked for a root pass
[04:27] <Future101> I entered it
[04:27] <nakata> no
[04:27] <nickrud> geargolem, what type of card?
[04:27] <nakata> i said 'sudo' not 'su'
[04:27] <nakata> sudo <command stuff here>
[04:27] <Epix> odd
[04:27] <Future101> so in the terminal enter sudo
[04:27] <solomarv> Future101: try sudo with your own pass
[04:27] <Future101> sweet
[04:27] <Epix> ubuntu crashed
[04:27] <Future101> ok
[04:27] <nakata> not JUST sudo
[04:28] <nakata> sudo <stuff to do>
[04:28] <Future101> ok
[04:28] <Epix> locked up. no mose or keybd movement
[04:28] <Future101> like the installation for my java
[04:28] <nakata> sure
[04:28] <nickrud> Epix, no ctl alt F1?
[04:28] <solomarv> Epix: happened to me a few times too
[04:28] <Epix> nickrud: no
[04:28] <solomarv> Epix: ~2
[04:28] <Future101> so
[04:28] <Epix> solomarv: any clue  why?
[04:28] <dcraven> Future101: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[04:28] <Future101> sudo jre-1_5_0_02-linux-i586.bin
[04:28] <nickrud> Epix, hardware issue
[04:28] <solomarv> Epix no
[04:28] <nakata> Epix: check your kernel log output
[04:28] <nakata> dmesg / syslog
[04:28] <geargolem> nickrud, Sis PCI/AGP 630/730
[04:28] <Epix> nakata: will do tomorow
[04:29] <Epix> prolly kernel panic in the bg
[04:29] <nakata> geargolem: that can do 3d?
[04:29] <geargolem> nickrud, yep
[04:29] <nickrud> geargolem, I've never set up an Sis for 3d
[04:29] <Epix> but who cares? windows locked up hourly ;P
[04:29] <mainer> epix: the kernels from universe are not dependable on all comps
[04:29] <nickrud> :)
[04:29] <dcraven> Epix: see if you can ssh into it
[04:29] <geargolem> nickrud are there common steps?
[04:29] <Epix> mainer: im not using a kernel from universe
[04:30] <Epix> dcraven: too late :P...
[04:30] <mainer> stick with the stock kernels for now
[04:30] <Epix> mainer: i am
[04:30] <dcraven> Epix: how Windowsy of you to instantly reboot :)
[04:30] <Epix> sleepy time...
[04:30] <PHPWannabe> anyone here know how to mount a USB memory stick>
[04:30] <mainer> hmmm,i had toubles with the newer from univ.,but not the stock,don't know
[04:30] <Future101> thanks nakata
[04:30] <Future101> :)
[04:30] <Epix> Ubuntu: Debian on crack...
[04:30] <nickrud> geargolem, getting 3d is different on each card.
[04:31] <brenton> on shutdown, i've never really used the suspend option. is it safe? I know that if my battery were to die, i would loose all unsaved data. but aside from that, are there any other risks involved?
[04:31] <solomarv> PHPWannabe, if everything works correctly, it should automount automatically. give it 30 seconds
[04:32] <solomarv> PHPWannabe, don't forget to check System->Preferences->Removable Drives and Media
[04:32] <abstractism> hi all
[04:32] <dcraven> brenton: I'm not sure anyone really trusts it.
[04:33] <nickrud> brenton, dcraven , trust and computers are orthogonal concepts :)
[04:33] <abstractism> can anyone here help me with some x.org problems I've been having?
[04:33] <jsgotangco> mako, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DocteamStepByStepl18n for i18n stuff for docteam
[04:33] <PHPWannabe> solomarv: it used to do that, but now it doesn't
[04:33] <PHPWannabe> solomarv: where would it mount to?
[04:34] <nickrud> abstractism, possibly the right people are here, ask away
[04:34] <bob2> brenton: on some hardware it just doesn't work, and the machine panic's on sleep or resume
[04:34] <bob2> brenton: make sure everything is saved
[04:34] <solomarv> PHPWannabe /media/blah
[04:34] <dave> When I start gnome-cups-manager it seems to lock and eventually gives me an error about not being able to contact the cupsys. The stat code in ps is Sl. Any ideas what the problem might be?
[04:35] <wastrel> hellew
[04:35] <goldfish> hi
[04:35] <brenton> thanks
[04:35] <abstractism> well, I have gone through all I know to get fglrx running on my system
[04:35] <solomarv> dave:/etc/init.d/cupsys start
[04:35] <revelater> hey, lets say i want to get something on my computer here at home, but i am at school, how would i do that/
[04:35] <brenton> in using suspend, does anyone feel there is any risk to the hardware?
[04:36] <solomarv> revelater, scp?
[04:36] <dave> sorry the error is the CUPS server could not be contacted. I've tried stopping and restarting cups but.....
[04:36] <wastrel> regarding wireless on my laptop.  since my upgrade to hoary i've had intermittent trouble with it not being able to see a signal from my home wireless dealy even tho my other laptop can see it
[04:36] <PHPWannabe> And where are USB devices located at?
[04:36] <PHPWannabe> all I have in media is cdrom and cdrom0 which is strange because I only have one cdrom drive
[04:36] <goldfish> i have a freshly installed ethernet card on a pc running hoary with no X, any advice on how to set it up?
[04:36] <dave> solomarv: I have already tried that.
[04:36] <wastrel> reboot fixes but i'd like to be able to fix it without rebooting.
[04:36] <revelater> what is scp?
[04:36] <wastrel> any ideas?
[04:36] <solomarv> dave no clue then
[04:37] <wastrel> goldfish what kind of ethernet card, do you know the kernel driver for it?
[04:37] <abstractism> no matter what, mesa3D is still running
[04:37] <MachineScrew> Ubuntu is fast even under VMware
[04:37] <solomarv> PHPWannabe not sure, i think it must be created automatically
[04:37] <dave> solomarv: thanks anyway
[04:37] <nickrud> revelater, they're basically telling you you need to run an ssh server on you home machine so you can connect remotely. On tha subject, I have no more to say :)
[04:37] <MachineScrew> it's the shit
[04:37] <abstractism> and fglrxinfo gives me this line now
[04:37] <nakata> revelater: scp = secure copy
[04:37] <abstractism> display: :0.0  screen: 0
[04:37] <goldfish> wastrel: It's a linksys 10/100 lan card, nope I don't :/
[04:37] <nakata> revelater: it can be used to transfer files between systems using encryption
[04:38] <MachineScrew> I can't wait till I get the CDs in the mail
[04:38] <revelater> ok, so does anyone know how to use/ setup ssh, and if i can access it through winbloze?
[04:38] <MachineScrew> My burner sucks moldering assholes
[04:38] <bob2> brenton: there's no hardware risk
[04:38] <HrdwrBoB> revelater: you can use 'putty' to access ssh in windows
[04:38] <goldfish> wastrel: Any ideas?
[04:38] <Nalioth> alright gotta run folks
[04:39] <HrdwrBoB> and you can install ssh by running 'sudo apt-get install ssh
[04:39] <HrdwrBoB> or selecting it in synaptic
[04:39] <solomarv> revelater: install ssh server on linux. scp username@linuxserver:/path/to/file file_here
[04:39] <k4rl> how did you note get it by default?
[04:39] <brenton> thanks!
[04:39] <dave> goldfish: did you try lspci?
[04:39] <k4rl> you should already just have ssh
[04:39] <psoulocybe> hi guys
[04:39] <revelater> is there anyway to access it through explorer ?
[04:39] <CarlK> I am having trouble logging into Skype - I swear I did it once, and now it says "Invalid skpe name or pw" but I have just requested a new PW and confirmed that I can use it on skype.com, but not the app... anyone know whay my problem is?
[04:39] <HrdwrBoB> k4rl: not the server.
[04:39] <solomarv> revelater: no, use putty
[04:39] <revelater> i cannot change the windows setup in any way, (its a school system)
[04:39] <goldfish> dave: nope, neevr heard of it :) I'm new to linux really.
[04:39] <MachineScrew> whats the deal behind using sudo instead of su
[04:39] <wastrel> goldfish:  it looks like it may be supported by the tulip driver.
[04:39] <revelater> legally
[04:40] <psoulocybe> any A64 hoes in the house?
[04:40] <HrdwrBoB> MachineScrew: it uses your account and your password
[04:40] <wastrel> goldfish:  it's an etherfast?
[04:40] <solomarv> MachineScrew i thought you were a bot cuz you were saying quotes :-P
[04:40] <HrdwrBoB> revelater: you can run putty without any install at all
[04:40] <k4rl> revelator: I believe therea re ssh activex controls that some sites will let yo uuse
[04:40] <MachineScrew> what ?
[04:40] <dave> goldfish: are you sure it's a linksys 10/100 that sounds more like a wired card?
[04:40] <green_earz> revelater: email it as a attachment
[04:40] <k4rl> with IE, you can also just run putty from the web
[04:40] <MachineScrew> I am in VMware right now
[04:40] <spawn> can someone here send me there Industrial theme folder?
[04:40] <wastrel> <3 putty
[04:40] <revelater> nooo, i want access to whole computer over internet... how do i use putty?
[04:41] <solomarv> MachineScrew: Ubuntu is fast even under VMware -- that sounds very much like a bot to me :-P
[04:41] <abstractism> anyone know whats up with my ubuntu system not using hardware accelerated graphics?
[04:41] <CarlK> wtf.. I have skupe runnig 5 times ... duh.
[04:41] <MachineScrew> ok ya Hey I just had to tell some one
[04:41] <solomarv> revelaterL putty is ssh for windows, all info is on their site
[04:41] <goldfish> dave: It's a wired ethernet card.
[04:41] <solomarv> MachineScrew ok
[04:41] <MachineScrew> who gave a shit that is
[04:41] <MachineScrew> lol
[04:41] <goldfish> wastrel: Sorry dunno what you mean etherfast :(
[04:41] <revelater> so how do i go about accessing my computer? or setting it up for that matter...
[04:42] <revelater> is it easy?
[04:42] <wastrel> goldfish:  that's a brand name for the card :] 
[04:42] <dave> goldfish: sorry read the line above you
[04:42] <goldfish> wastrel: :)
[04:42] <wastrel> goldfish:  you should try typing lspci at the console to see whether it was autodetected
[04:42] <solomarv> revelater: super easy. /etc/init.d/ssh start
[04:42] <goldfish> ok, lspci seems to have picked it up as Ethernet Controller.
[04:43] <HrdwrBoB> solomarv: if it's installed it's already started
[04:43] <sophie_msumu> hi
[04:43] <HrdwrBoB> solomarv: it auto starts on install
[04:43] <PHPWannabe> oaky, now how do I "auto mount" something?
[04:43] <revelater> ok, what info do i need to access my comp remotely?
[04:43] <dcraven> Anyone know how to make irssi re-read it's config?
[04:43] <solomarv> HrdwrBoB: not necessarily
[04:43] <sophie_msumu> i d like to know how to install transcode
[04:43] <HrdwrBoB> solomarv: yes necessarily
[04:43] <goldfish> Linksys NC100 Network Everywhere Fast Ethernet 10/100 (rev 11)
[04:43] <wastrel> dcraven:  /load <configfile>
[04:43] <nickrud> revelater, put putty on a cd and plug it into your school machine
[04:43] <wastrel> dcraven:  guessing  - never used irssi
[04:43] <solomarv> HrdwrBoB: it's possible to stop it from starting at boot up with update-rc.d
[04:43] <dcraven> wastrel: cool thanks
[04:43] <MachineScrew> So dose any one know how long it takes the CDs to come (something more accurate than 4 - 6 wks)
[04:43] <abstractism> anyone know whats up with my ubuntu system not using fglrx?
[04:44] <goldfish> dcraven: /reload ?
[04:44] <HrdwrBoB> solomarv: yes of course it is, but by default, if it's installed, it's started
[04:44] <dcraven> wastrel: looks like /load is just for plugin modules.
[04:44] <dcraven> goldfish: bingo!
[04:44] <goldfish> :)
[04:44] <psoulocybe> ok guys... i knew of a application where you could switch desktops by moving the mouse to the right or left side of the screen... anyone remember the name of it?
[04:44] <revelater> nickrud.... why can't i just access my filesystem through html or somthing like that???
[04:45] <wastrel> anyone know why my wifi cuts out sometimes (post-hoary) requiring reboot to fix?
[04:45] <Future101> Gnome
[04:45] <solomarv> HrdwrBoB true
[04:45] <goldfish> wastrel: So, emm, do u know what i need to do if it was auto detected?
[04:45] <Future101> umm
[04:45] <psoulocybe> revelater, you could use apache, but it's not a great secure way of doing it
[04:45] <nickrud> revelater, it doesn't work that way, and if it did, you would regret it
[04:45] <wastrel> goldfish:  what do you want to do?
[04:45] <Future101> this is what i'm entering to my terminal
[04:45] <Future101> root@ubuntu:/home/shinju # chmod a+x jre-1_5_0-linux-i586.bin
[04:45] <Future101> chmod: cannot access `jre-1_5_0-linux-i586.bin': No such file or directory
[04:45] <revelater> i don't mean unsecurly....
[04:45] <Future101> I finally accessed my root
[04:45] <Future101> but it's at that bpoint
[04:45] <Future101> any help?
[04:46] <revelater> nevermind, i will make due..
[04:46] <wilbertoki> why does the nerim repos not have signed keys
[04:46] <goldfish> wastrel: Well, I tried sshing out, but i can't. I had a look in /etc/network/interfaces and nothing is there for eth0... im kinda stuck :/
[04:46] <sophie_msumu> some one please I d appreciate some help on divx/xvid
[04:46] <nickrud> wilbertoki, it does, you need to get the keys
[04:46] <dcraven> Future101: you are in the same directory as that file?
[04:46] <dave> goldfish: have you checked if the module loaded? lsmod
[04:46] <MachineScrew> So how long dose it take for the Install disks to arrive in the mail
[04:47] <wastrel> goldfish:  ok so you should do ifconfig, which should list all your network interfaces
[04:47] <abstractism> hey, can anyone help me figure out how to fix this
[04:47] <abstractism> abstractism@chiana:~$ fglrxinfo
[04:47] <abstractism> display: :0.0  screen: 0
[04:47] <abstractism> OpenGL vendor string: Mesa project: www.mesa3d.org
[04:47] <abstractism> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
[04:47] <abstractism> OpenGL version string: 1.2 (1.5 Mesa 6.2.1)
[04:47] <wastrel> or actually do the GUI thing in gnome...
[04:47] <wilbertoki> nickrud: oo thanks cool
[04:47] <wastrel> System->Administration->Networking
[04:47] <wilbertoki> ubuntu is so awesome
[04:48] <Janux> anyone knows that if my wireless USB adapter is not working out of the box, do I need to configure my kernel manually or do I download anything from apt-get?
[04:49] <wastrel> aaaanyone know anything about why my wifi is quitting in hoary?
[04:49] <nickrud> Janux, not enough info :)
[04:49] <MachineScrew> wastrel: is it PCMCIA
[04:49] <wastrel> abstractism:  did you read the wiki page on direct rendering?
[04:50] <cens0red> hey do debs compile? Or do u have to use src-deb package for that?
[04:50] <abstractism> wastrel, no, I haven't. what is it?
[04:50] <Janux> nickrud, hmm....like I have an USB adapter, I have tried using wlan-ng driver in Debian before but I configured manually.  In Ubuntu, is there anyway that I don't have to configure it manually if it cannot detect my hardware?
[04:50] <wastrel> MachineScrew:  PCMCIA no it's builtin,  intel chip dealy
[04:50] <goldfish> wastrel: ifconfig only lists lo - local loopback
[04:51] <MachineScrew> wastrel:NDISwrapper
[04:51] <nickrud> Janux, actually, I was hoping you'd mention chipsets & the like and someone would recognize them and be able to help :)
[04:51] <MachineScrew> ?
[04:51] <wilbertoki> the ndiswrapper in my kernel wouldnt work I had to compile fromcsource
[04:52] <wastrel> MachineScrew:  i have no idea.  it worked out of the box but is quitting randomly since i upgraded to hoary
[04:52] <MachineScrew> oh
[04:52] <wastrel> abstractism:  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:52] <dcraven> wilbertoki: works now?
[04:52] <wilbertoki> dcraven: yes
[04:52] <wastrel> goldfish:  try "sudo modprobe tulip"
[04:53] <wastrel> goldfish:  @ cli, no quotes
[04:53] <Janux> nickrud, o...heheh...Linksys WUSB12
[04:53] <abstractism> wastrel, thank you
[04:53] <dcraven> wilbertoki: same thing happened here. I made a wiki page for it.
[04:53] <wilbertoki> dcraven: netgear wg511 v2
[04:53] <dcraven> wilbertoki: broadcom here
[04:53] <MachineScrew> wastrel: In all my years I have never heard any linux user do a successful upgrade between major versions
[04:53] <goldfish> wastrel: hmmm, did that, then tried ifconfig again, still just lo :/
[04:54] <MachineScrew> wastrel: I would start from scratch back up your home and do a fresh install
[04:54] <wastrel> MachineScrew:  i've done several w/ debian
[04:54] <nickrud> Janux, I've never used that thing, so I can't help.  Ask for help with it.
[04:54] <wilbertoki> dcraven: well then I want to thank you because if that was the the wiki I used at ubuntus forums it is how I got it working and streaming mythtv to my cable-tv free room
[04:54] <MachineScrew> but then again that is just me
[04:54] <Janux> anyone, please leave me the way to configure it, I am logging it...thanks.
[04:54] <Xenguy> MachineScrew: absolutely not true
[04:54] <dcraven> wilbertoki: mine's in the wiki, not the forum.
[04:54] <wastrel> MachineScrew:  i don't think it's upgrade related i think it's some new hoary thing doinking my connectivity somehow.
[04:55] <wilbertoki> dcraven: I meant wiki sorry
[04:55] <wastrel> maybe the suspend/sleep stuff
[04:55] <dcraven> wilbertoki: cool. You're welcome :)
[04:55] <wastrel> goldfish:  do you have tulip running?    lsmod | grep tulip
[04:55] <wilbertoki> dcraven: ndiswrappers site didnt have ubuntu specific instructions
[04:56] <goldfish> wastrel: tulip             46112   0
[04:56] <wilbertoki> dcraven: this was only 3 days ago so the problem hasnt been fixed
[04:56] <dcraven> wilbertoki: no, the wiki instructions are debian/ubuntu specific though.
[04:56] <wastrel> goldfish:  ok tulip is running :]   i do recall that the DEC chip cards have a new driver in recent kernels tho...
[04:57] <wastrel> goldfish:  maybe that's the one you're supposed to use with that card nowadays....
[04:57] <goldfish> oh right
[04:57] <goldfish> Sorry, I haven't got a clue about this :)
[04:57] <wilbertoki> dcraven: what kind of access point are you using
[04:58] <dcraven> wilbertoki: it's a D-Link router.
[04:58] <dcraven> wilbertoki: but it works with every AP I've came across so far.
[04:59] <wilbertoki> dcraven: I just got a wrt54g, I found out you can load your own firmware on it, ssh into it and set it up as a wds repeater
[05:00] <HrdwrBoB> wrt54g is good, I have one
[05:00] <Dark3Lite> hm...how do I dial out in gentoo  using modem..
[05:00] <wilbertoki> hrdwrbob: have you tried wds mode?
[05:00] <abstractism> dang
[05:00] <abstractism> still doesn't work
[05:00] <wastrel> goldfish:  try reloadin the tulip module:  "sudo rmmod tulip" then "sudo modprobe tulip"   if that doesn't work i'm out of ideas (not my area of expertise :)
[05:01] <abstractism> wastrel, the wiki thing didn't do anything different
[05:01] <wastrel> abstractism:  sry that's what i used :/
[05:02] <abstractism> oh well
[05:02] <abstractism> mesaGL is still pissing me off
[05:02] <wastrel> what card do you have?
[05:02] <abstractism> 256 meg radeon 9800 pro
[05:03] <wastrel> goldfish:  the other module to try is de4x5
[05:03] <goldfish> ###################
[05:03] <goldfish> woops
[05:03] <wastrel> radeon 9600 mobile :] 
[05:03] <goldfish> wastrel: i'll try that now.
[05:03] <abstractism> this used to be a windows gaming machine before windows totally pissed me off
[05:03] <abstractism> microsoft should try to not suck so bad
[05:03] <hybrid> lol
[05:04] <abstractism> all their successful products have been other companies' successful products
[05:04] <abstractism> I don't think anything that they've made is really that good
[05:04] <wastrel> any idea how i can get my wifi working again after it's quit on me?
[05:05] <goldfish> wastrel: Ok reloading tulip didnt work :/ , how do i try that other module do you know?
[05:05] <wastrel> i don't like having to reboot :p
[05:05] <wastrel> goldfish:  just do modprobe de4x5
[05:05] <nickrud> Anybody got a quick fix for why a sblive makes no sound?
[05:05] <yfir> i'm going to get lynched for this, but IE isn't a bad browser... *ducks*
[05:05] <wastrel> nickrud:  open up alsamixer and unmute your channels
[05:05] <HrdwrBoB> nickrud: disable onboard sound :)
[05:05] <HrdwrBoB> and that
[05:06] <goldfish> hmmm, no joy :/
[05:06] <nickrud> wastrel, HrdwrBoB I've already suggested all but disable onboard sound :)
[05:06] <goldfish> I'll try posting on the forums.
[05:06] <goldfish> wastrel: Thanks for your time.
[05:06] <thechitowncubs> Hey, anyone know if there is any way to speed up the boot time of openoffice 2?
[05:06] <wastrel> goldfish:  good luck  try in #linuxhelp also this is general enough they should be able to assist...
[05:06] <goldfish> ah right thanks
[05:07] <burner> thechitowncubs, apt-get install ooqstart-gnome ?
[05:07] <burner> or something along those lines
[05:07] <burner> apt-cache search gnome open office quick start
[05:07] <Dark3Lite> how do dial up via modem in gentoo?
[05:07] <goldfish> lol
[05:07] <thechitowncubs> burner, does that work with oo2?
[05:07] <wastrel> Dark3Lite:  wvdial
[05:07] <Dark3Lite> oo.k
[05:07] <cens0red> mark shuttleworth?
[05:07] <Dark3Lite> that's the command I need to use..
[05:07] <Dark3Lite> wastrel, ?
[05:08] <burner> thechitowncubs, er... ooh...it may not... worth a shot though :)
[05:08] <burner> maybe gnome-ooqstart2 or something
[05:08] <wastrel> Dark3Lite:  man wvdial  first.  then wvdialconf  then wvdial
[05:08] <wastrel> Dark3Lite:  and hope your modem is supported under linux
[05:08] <Dark3Lite> hehe
[05:08] <wastrel> mine doesn't seem tobe :[
[05:08] <Dark3Lite> it's a HP Laptop
[05:09] <Dark3Lite> Nx500
[05:09] <burner> thechitowncubs, looks like oo1 :\  sorry
[05:09] <Dark3Lite> Nx5000
[05:09] <Dark3Lite> so I hope so
[05:09] <Dark3Lite> rebooting to test wastrel ...thanks for the help
[05:09] <wastrel> gl
[05:09] <thechitowncubs> =/
[05:10] <kaesehummer> has anyone had trouble with mplayer not working in gnome but working under a different wm?
[05:10] <DarkSalamander> hey all
[05:10] <DarkSalamander> I've got a quick question about the live CD
[05:11] <yfir> kaesehummer: before anything else, make sure mplayer is configured to use esd rather than alsa/oss
[05:11] <DarkSalamander> is it possible to save your configuration from your live session onto a hard disk like on knoppix?
[05:11] <kaesehummer> yfir, that did it, thanks
[05:12] <geargolem> How to enable direct rendering?
[05:12] <randabis> wave a magic wand
[05:12] <nickrud> geargolem, be sure to mention the Sis card when you ask :)
[05:12] <PHPWannabe> Anyone here have a background in web design?
[05:12] <muk_amd64> geargolem, what video card you gots?
[05:12] <geargolem> randabis, how about you wave the magic wand up your a...
[05:12] <burner> geargolem, you sure you don't have it on already?  glxinfo |grep direct
[05:13] <geargolem> muk_amd64 SiS
[05:13] <muk_amd64> geargolem, no clue, heh
[05:13] <thr1ce> anyone know a goog time to go breezy ?
[05:13] <geargolem> I'm sure burner.  positive.
[05:13] <randabis> geargolem: perhaps I could, but that would be juvenile
[05:13] <solomarv> thr1ce: october? :-P
[05:13] <nickrud> thr1ce, when mono 1.1.x makes it, and burner is crazy
[05:13] <hybrid> lol
[05:13] <thr1ce> bruner, getting stable?  I ran it last week and it was a little shady
[05:13] <geargolem> randabis, yes it would.
[05:14] <muk_amd64> what's breezy?
[05:14] <burner> thr1ce, what was shady?  i haven't noticed anything bad yet
[05:14] <hybrid> testing
[05:14] <thr1ce> nickrud: any place to see a sorta "changelog" of activity?
[05:14] <randabis> geargolem: then I am at a loss as to why you would suggest such an activity
[05:14] <thr1ce> nickrud: nah, I ran it for a bit and didnt' notice anything bad
[05:14] <nickrud> thr1ce, subscribe to the breezy-changes maillist, it will scare you right now :)
[05:14] <thr1ce> nickrud: well, anything on a website by chance?
[05:14] <thr1ce> of daily changes and such
[05:15] <randabis> The air outside feels breezy
[05:15] <Levande1> Think I posted a message in the wrong forum on ubuntuforums.  Any way to get it moved?
[05:15] <thr1ce> nickrud: isn't that supposed to happen in a few weeks or so?
[05:15] <nickrud> thr1ce, they haven't even decided on the goals, let alone set up a tracking system
[05:15] <|QuaD->  /me wonders if there are videos or anything from the conference
[05:16] <thr1ce> nickrud: oh; I thought there was syncing going on at a conference in a few weeks
[05:16] <thr1ce> beginning of may or so
[05:16] <thr1ce> has firefox 1.0.3 hit as an update by chance?
[05:16] <nickrud> thr1ce, conference is occuring as we talk, give'm a break :)
[05:16] <randabis> I just use the mozilla.org firefox :)
[05:16] <thr1ce> nickrud: aaah...I was told after the conference is a good time to start testing breezy out
[05:17] <|QuaD-> thr1ce: i think thats when they are going to start updating it
[05:17] <|QuaD-> now it is mainly just the sync
[05:17] <thr1ce> |QuaD-: it's been updating, actually
[05:17] <thr1ce> gnome 2.10.1 is in
[05:17] <nickrud> thr1ce, personally, I'll wait until 05.08 to even consider changing
[05:18] <thr1ce> nickrud: ok...maybe that's the date i'm considering; what does that signify, again?
[05:18] <|QuaD-> thr1ce: thr1ce yeah, but i think the big modifications are being done after udu, that is just an update
[05:18] <randabis> If I use breezy in the testing phase, it will be in the final months (when there is about 3 months left before release) like I did with Hoary
[05:18] <nickrud> two months before release, any sane person will give themselves some time to stablize their work.
[05:19] <thr1ce> eh...i'm a bleeding edge sorta guy
[05:19] <yfir> thr1ce: you obviously don't need to do work on your comp :)
[05:19] <randabis> I'll put grumpy on a partition if it ever comes to surface
[05:19] <thr1ce> yfir: my comp. works just fine, actually
[05:19] <nickrud> thr1ce, I ran stable for years, updated daily. bleeding edge? Not quite, but close enough :)
[05:19] <wastrel> PHPWannabe:  what's your web question?
[05:19] <wastrel> Levande1:  can't you delete it & repst in the proper place?
[05:20] <|QuaD-> nickrud: updating stable is like doing a security update on win98
[05:20] <yfir> thr1ce: well for me, turning my work comp into a testing comp is risky
[05:20] <PHPWannabe> oh, i was wondering how to make a <td> change color on hover, but someone in #web answered
[05:20] <thr1ce> nickrud: yeah; I want updated software that I use everyday, though
[05:20] <Unfrgiven> how does one upgrade to breezy?
[05:20] <nickrud> |QuaD-, wouldn't know, haven't done any security updates on windows :P
[05:20] <solomarv> Unfrgiven: edit sources.list
[05:20] <thr1ce> Unfrgiven: changing your repositories to breezy instread of hoary; but, be careful
[05:20] <wastrel> heh is breezy considered an "upgrade" at this point?
[05:21] <geargolem> would mesa3+GGI be better for a SiS video driver?
[05:21] <Unfrgiven> solomarv: thr1ce: thanks
[05:21] <thr1ce> in /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:21] <thr1ce> sure
[05:21] <geargolem> *mesag3
[05:23] <nickrud> thr1ce, I probably will set aside a partition a little early, but I don't consider that 'running' breezy
[05:23] <nickrud> I just like watching good work
[05:24] <thr1ce> nickrud: I see; but, may 8th is "stable" enough for the desktop?
[05:24] <GammaRay> who cares? :-D
[05:24] <thr1ce> i know that's impossible to answer
[05:25] <nickrud> thr1ce, that was a hopeful date, but I ran the same debian system that broke regularly and learned to fix it. YMMV
[05:25] <geargolem> I am using mesag3-glide2...but would mesag3+GGI be better for an old SiS?
[05:25] <thr1ce> breaking stuff is the only way to learning
[05:25] <thr1ce> nickrud: what is May 8th?
[05:25] <GammaRay> I ran mandrake cooker for months on end.. you just have to be careful of when you update
[05:25] <nickrud> geargolem, why do you have glide2 - that's for a verrrrry old voodoo card
[05:26] <nickrud> thr1ce, 2005 august :)
[05:26] <geargolem> nickrud, because it works :P
[05:26] <thr1ce> nickrud: I thought you said may 8 ?
[05:26] <nickrud> thr1ce, no, 05.08
[05:26] <thr1ce> ooh
[05:27] <thr1ce> nickrud: well, after the conference is up, updating to breezy should be more stable eh ?
[05:27] <gratuit> it would be nice....
[05:27] <nickrud> thr1ce, no that's when it really breaks, because the start to play
[05:27] <yfir> gratuit: it'll come eventually
[05:27] <nickrud> s/the/they
[05:28] <thr1ce> nickrud: how long does the conference last ?
[05:28] <nickrud> dunno, ask yfir, he may know
[05:28] <bpuccio> I currently have a mirror of i386 packages only, I use it for several computers, I don't mind sharing with the community, but I'm not sure if it is appropriate to submit it for addition to the list of mirrors since its incomplete, anyone know if I should or shouldn't?
[05:28] <Unfrgiven> thr1ce: it finishes on saturday
[05:29] <thr1ce> Unfrgiven: aah, ok; neat
[05:29] <thr1ce> so i'll give them a week or so after :)
[05:29] <nickrud> thr1ce, use a spare partition if your real work matters :)
[05:30] <thr1ce> nickrud: bah; my HDD already has 3 partitions
[05:30] <nickrud> thr1ce, 8
[05:30] <hybrid> o_0
[05:30] <thr1ce> oh my
[05:30] <thr1ce> :)
[05:30] <GammaRay> but how many OSs?
[05:31] <PHPWannabe> how do you take a screenshot?
[05:31] <hybrid> in gnome?
[05:31] <HrdwrBoB> press 'printscreen'
[05:31] <nickrud> GammaRay, a win98 for my legacy win app, and, currently, debian, warty (going away soon) and hoary
[05:31] <GammaRay> some menu thingy
[05:31] <HrdwrBoB> or, system-> take screenshot
[05:31] <GammaRay> yep.. that menu thingy
[05:32] <hybrid> lol
[05:32] <HrdwrBoB> nickrud: you'd be better off with just hoary and vmware win98
[05:32] <yfir> or in a terminal: gnome-panel-screenshot
[05:32] <hybrid> GammaRay: did you do some work on dslinux
[05:32] <hybrid> ?
[05:32] <nickrud> HrdwrBoB, you donating :)
[05:32] <gbhat> are gdesklets broken in hoary?
[05:32] <GammaRay> hybrid: can't say I did
[05:32] <PHPWannabe> hrm...i'm using kubuntu
[05:32] <nickrud> HrdwrBoB, actually I use it maybe once a month, not worth the expense :)
[05:32] <thr1ce> i need to convert one of my win partitions to vfat
[05:33] <hybrid> well the chanserv in #dslinux was a GammaRay
[05:33] <gbhat> PHPWannabe, got a broken kdelibs-data update two days ago?
[05:34] <burner> can anyone tell me their best way for mounting samba shares (preferrably through a gui... nautilus maybe?)
[05:34] <PHPWannabe> gbhat: haven't updated in a few days
[05:34] <PHPWannabe> printscreen isn't working with gimp...
[05:34] <GammaRay> randabis: going to the clinic now?
[05:35] <antonio_> burner: i use Places -> Connect to Server... and then specify that is a windwos share
[05:35] <hybrid> lol
[05:35] <theturtle> which folder do i need to download so i can have a local repository
[05:35] <burner> antonio_, that's not a true "mount" though
[05:35] <hybrid> god bless linux and its de/wm
[05:35] <burner> try to play audio files with that... it doesn't work
[05:35] <theturtle> i wanna put it on a second drive
[05:35] <randabis> GammaRay: they sent me home before so I won't waste the time
[05:35] <burner> it's just a "link" on your desktop
[05:35] <randabis> unless they have some orchata
[05:35] <PHPWannabe> nm...gimp does it for me
[05:35] <antonio_> burner: true, i just use it to get files of the net to my harddrive
[05:36] <randabis> orchata is good stuff
[05:36] <hybrid> randabis: get any chinese
[05:36] <burner> antonio_, my plan is to play mp3s from my server on my laptop :)
[05:36] <theturtle> anyone know which URL holds all the packages for Hoary?
[05:36] <randabis> nah no chinese
[05:36] <GammaRay> randabis: so kubuntu isn't treatable?
[05:36] <hybrid> :'(
[05:36] <hybrid> lol
[05:36] <hybrid> kde has no cure
[05:36] <hybrid> they can cure window but now kde
[05:36] <hybrid> :P
[05:36] <randabis> GammaRay: it grows on you
[05:37] <tolle> burner: What do you use to play your mp3s?
[05:37] <CarlK> what is the package that has gcc, make, etc?  dev-essencials or something
[05:37] <nickrud> theturtle, http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/
[05:37] <antonio_> burner: yeah i get what you are saying
[05:37] <tolle> burner: Rhythmbox?
[05:37] <burner> tolle, bmp
[05:37] <burner> i could use rhythmbox
[05:37] <randabis> CarlK: build-essential
[05:37] <tritium> CarlK, build-essential
[05:37] <xenobytes> I'm having fairly serious network/DNS problems on a local network/Broadband connection. Any websites that request or place a cookie will not load, and I cannot connect to anything through the webbrowser via SSL. Doing a TCP dump I randomly get 1.0.0.0 resolutions on established tcp connections. What's going on?
[05:37] <burner> tolle, why?
[05:37] <CarlK> ahh, you have to spell it right ;)
[05:37] <CarlK> thanks
[05:37] <tolle> burner: if you would use rhythmbox, just using the "connect to server" thing in nautilus works
[05:37] <theturtle> al that nickrud eh?
[05:37] <randabis> lawl
[05:37] <yfir> kde does in fact have a cure: http://wmi.modprobe.de/
[05:37] <burner> tolle, no shit?  thanks, i'll try it :)
[05:38] <tolle> burner: since it uses gnome-vfs, it can read the stuff that you mount with nautilus.
[05:38] <antonio_> i trie dthe connect to server thing and XMMS does not work with it
[05:38] <GammaRay> randabis: a fungus then...
[05:38] <nickrud> theturtle, that's where the packages come from, but not all packages there belong to hoary :)
[05:38] <burner> yeah yeah, makes sense... thanks tolle
[05:38] <burner> xmms and bmp don't use gnome-vfs
[05:38] <randabis> GammaRay: a magical one :)
[05:38] <hybrid> yfir: nothing beats minimalist wm
[05:39] <burner> too bad too... browsing around a network... it'd be nicer to not add things to the rhythmbox library
[05:39] <xenobytes> Has anyone else had problems behind simple NAT devices with Ubuntu?
[05:39] <burner> xenobytes, nope
[05:39] <randabis> be back
[05:39] <GammaRay> not a single person
[05:39] <hybrid> be front
[05:39] <GammaRay> no one
[05:39] <Ihavetiger> hello
[05:39] <theturtle> ok nickrud
[05:39] <xenobytes> None of the windows machines are experiencing any difficulties.
[05:39] <GammaRay> it's been proven
[05:40] <xenobytes> But, like I said, I get random name resolutions of 1.0.0.0
[05:40] <tolle> burner: Im a big rhythmbox fan... So I realy love that feature.
[05:40] <xenobytes> has anyone ever seen this?
[05:40] <ihavebreezy> i can beat tiger
[05:40] <nickrud> theturtle, didn't mean to be flippant, the way debian/ubuntu deals with packages is not just dropping them in a directory
[05:40] <tolle> burner: I can play the stuff I got at my homeserver from school over ssh without and problems with it.
[05:40] <burner> very cool
[05:41] <burner> i hate rhythmbox ;)  i'll reconsider when .9 is final
[05:41] <hybrid> tolle: ould this work? ssh to my laptop from school and bypass Bess?
[05:41] <hybrid> **would
[05:41] <burner> tolle, i cna't import :\
[05:42] <tolle> What services is it that is blocked?
[05:42] <nickrud> burner, I know what you mean, I had real hopes a year ago, but ...
[05:42] <hybrid> tolee: well slashdot and all proxies
[05:42] <tolle> hybrid: well, sshing to your homemachine and running a browser trough it would work then.
[05:43] <hybrid> ok thats what i thought
[05:43] <burner> hybrid, assuming you have an X server on the other end
[05:43] <hybrid> ty for verifying
[05:43] <burner> hybrid, check out Xlivecd :)
[05:43] <hybrid> burner: X server on my box? or the schools
[05:43] <x2comp> can someone tell me why Ubuntu is so slow on the internet? It takes forever to load a web page, and even longer to connect to an IRC server. What is going on?
[05:43] <nnonix> xeno: do you have any other computers that work correctly behind said device?
[05:43] <tolle> hybrid: schools.
[05:43] <hybrid> ok
[05:43] <burner> hybrid, the one you want to display your apps on
[05:44] <burner> the schools
[05:44] <burner> hence... get xlivecd :)
[05:44] <nickrud> x2comp, not sure what your problem is, but my connections are quick
[05:44] <nnonix> xeno, forget it ... I read up
[05:44] <burner> assuming they're windows
[05:44] <burner> if they're Mac, you're good anyway
[05:44] <hybrid> would putty work as well?
[05:44] <g3mini> Hiya folks
[05:44] <hybrid> they are redmond xp
[05:44] <x2comp> i have broadband, and am behind a router, could that be it?
[05:44] <burner> tolle, ever done this rb thing over smb?
[05:45] <tolle> hybrid: You need additional software to get it to work if you run windows on the "client2
[05:45] <nickrud> x2comp, being behind a router makes all things possible :)
[05:45] <tolle> burner nope. I do not have any windows machines.
[05:45] <g3mini> Wanted to say thanks to lathiat for the install help today
[05:45] <tolle> burner: So I only use nfs or ssh
[05:46] <CarlK> what package has the autogenstuff?
[05:46] <burner> tolle, well damn ;)  thanks for the help though... we'll see if I can get it going somehow
[05:46] <x2comp> yeah, it is the only option i have, i have multiple computers and tried a switch, but knew before i tried it that it wouldn't work
[05:46] <tolle> hybrid: If bandwidth isnt the problem. You could always run a webbased vncserver on the client.
[05:46] <nickrud> CarlK, build-essential
[05:46] <g3mini> Was setting up Ubuntu today and don't recall setting up a root password any advise?
[05:46] <CarlK> nickrud  I installed that, and get libtoolize not found
[05:46] <tolle> g3mini: Ubuntu doesnt use a root accound
[05:46] <hybrid> tolle: well i dont really want to be noticed. they may patch it if they notice
[05:46] <tolle> g3mini: account
[05:46] <nickrud> g3mini, use sudo, it's part of ubuntu's security model
[05:47] <tolle> g3mini: use sudo "thecommand
[05:47] <tritium> g3mini, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[05:47] <nxvl> hi i have just install php4 but i cant see mi .php pages
[05:47] <tolle> g3mini: without the " instead.. or sudo -s to become root
[05:47] <nxvl> what could i done wrong??
[05:47] <nickrud> CarlK, never had that problem, and I warrent it is over my head :)
[05:47] <tolle> g3mini: the password it asks for is the users password
[05:48] <g3mini> tolle: err that would explain it thanks
[05:48] <Amaranth> nxvl: You need libapache2-mod-php4 if you have Apache2 or libapache-mod-php4 if you have Apache1.
[05:48] <nxvl> Amaranth: thnx
[05:48] <hybrid> could i put xlivecd on a thumbdrive?
[05:49] <hybrid> wow demanding on memory
[05:50] <tolle> hybrid: You could aswell put a windows X server on the thumbnail?
[05:52] <nxvl> Amaranth: it still doesnt work
[05:52] <Amaranth> nxvl: Err
[05:52] <nxvl> mm
[05:53] <tolle> nxvl: Cant see them as in you just see the code, or cant access them?
[05:53] <pixil9> What's a good program to shrink & burn dvds (9 to 5)
[05:53] <nxvl> when i click on a link that goes to a .php page it ask me if i want to download it
[05:54] <pixil9> windows or linux
[05:54] <HrdwrBoB> pixil9: dvdshrink
[05:54] <hybrid> windows dvdshrink and dvd xcopy
[05:54] <gmjr> pixil9, dvdshrink is the easiest and its free
[05:54] <tolle> nxvl: I cant remember if that problem occured when the filetype wasnt specified in mime.types or somewhere else...
[05:54] <pixil9> alright
[05:54] <hybrid> good luck with the xcopy
[05:55] <pixil9> It automatically strips copy protection?
[05:55] <gratuit> there is a free alternative
[05:55] <gmjr> dvdshrink does
[05:55] <pixil9> cool
[05:55] <pixil9> clonedvd is out the window
[05:55] <pixil9> fucks up my movies
[05:55] <gratuit> someone wrote a python scripte that uses transcoding to do the shrinking
[05:55] <gmjr> but I was reading that its no longer being developed so eventually it won't work anymore
[05:55] <gratuit> gmjr: dvdshrink is NOT free
[05:55] <pixil9> Well what can I use in windows
[05:56] <gratuit> gmjr: well not as in speech at least
[05:56] <pixil9> CloneDVD makes shitty dvds
[05:56] <gmjr> gratuit, uhm, well it's never costed me any money
[05:56] <CarlK> dvdshrink is free
[05:56] <HrdwrBoB> DVD Shrink is free software. You should never pay for DVD Shrink.
[05:56] <nxvl> how could i see if im using apache 1 or 2
[05:56] <nxvl> :S
[05:56] <nxvl> i have install apache 1
[05:56] <nxvl> but there it is the apache2 directori
[05:56] <nxvl> directory
[05:56] <nxvl> i think php4 have install it
[05:56] <pixil9> nxvl: check synaptic?
[05:56] <gratuit> HrdwrBoB: then give me the source and let me redistribute it
[05:57] <CarlK> trying to compile jack - configure: error: Library requirements (alsa >= 1.0.0) not met -
[05:57] <gratuit> HrdwrBoB: you can't
[05:57] <gratuit> HrdwrBoB: because it isn't free software
[05:57] <gmjr> gratuit, free and open source or completely different
[05:57] <gmjr> or = are
[05:57] <HrdwrBoB> gratuit: it's free.
[05:57] <pixil9> ok i'll try dvdshrink
[05:58] <HrdwrBoB> it's not open source
[05:58] <Boney> Hi.  I've installed ubuntu on a system using the "custom" option at the lilo boot prompt.
[05:58] <pixil9> How do you burn it then?
[05:58] <gratuit> gmjr: we need two seperate words for free
[05:58] <gmjr> thats what I said
[05:58] <Boney> so I have no X and no desktop envronment.
[05:58] <HrdwrBoB> gratuit: 'open source' is a perfectly good word
[05:58] <CarlK> no we dont - free=free, free != you get the source
[05:58] <gmjr> no, free.. costs no money can be downloaded with no banner adds and no time restraints..
[05:58] <Boney> I'm now trying to setup printers and cups says on it's interal webpage thingy:
[05:58] <Boney> Administrative tasks have been disabled for security reasons. Please use Menu Computer > System configuration > Printing.
[05:58] <gratuit> if you speak of free software in a channel devoted to "free as in speech" software, you're gonna have misunderstanding, you should specify it's "free as in beer"
[05:59] <dazzed|away> y0y0y0
[05:59] <HrdwrBoB> Boney: yes, you should use that
[05:59] <gmjr> opensource = something that is distrubited with its source and can be modifed and redistrubited
[05:59] <HrdwrBoB> gratuit: you seem to be the only one who thinks that
[05:59] <tolle> hybrid: Have you found a solution to your problem?
[05:59] <Boney> how do I use that without a desktop environment.
[05:59] <Nalioth> damn its awful quiet in here
[05:59] <gmjr> dvdshrink is free, not opensource
[06:00] <gratuit> http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html
[06:00] <gratuit> open source does not mean free, you can have something be open source and not have the right to modify and redistribute it
[06:00] <tolle> gmjr: free as in gratis or as in libre?
[06:00] <nickrud> simple solution, if needed: Free vs. free
[06:00] <gmjr> :P
[06:01] <gratuit> or libre vs. gratuit
[06:01] <nickrud> gratuit, better
[06:01] <Boney> HrdwrBoB: How do I use Menu Computer > System Configurationg > Printing.  I don't have X installed.  is there a console version etc?
[06:01] <nickrud> of course, you would like your name :)
[06:01] <gratuit> I have no idea why english doesn't differentiate between these two ideas (I'm a native english speaker)
[06:01] <HrdwrBoB> Boney: you can modify /etc/cupsys/cupsys.conf by hand
[06:02] <Boney> HrdwrBoB: I've been doing that but still can't login.  I'm wondering is there somthing else stopping me?
[06:03] <tolle> gratuit: well, it does... just that exactly the word free is ambigous(however that is spelled)
[06:03] <nickrud> tolle, in english, but not other languages
[06:04] <gratuit> tolle: true, and unfortunately RMS chose that word when he started the whole damn thing....
[06:04] <gratuit> which, who knows, might have just been to cause just such arguments
[06:04] <nickrud> or maybe, fortuitously, since it makes us think harder
[06:05] <gratuit> or might have been some dumb oversight
[06:09] <nickrud> anyone here eat tofu by choice?
[06:10] <fightingfortofu> i do!
[06:10] <Nalioth> nickrud, serious qyuestion?
[06:10] <Janux> where does my log file save?
[06:10] <aasics> which one?
[06:10] <fightingfortofu> tofu rules.
[06:10] <aasics> for gAIM?
[06:10] <nickrud> Nah, just a greeting :)
[06:10] <fightingfortofu> yeah.
[06:10] <aasics> Janux: which log file?
[06:10] <Nalioth> nickrud, tofu?
[06:10] <nickrud> Janux, /var/log
[06:10] <gratuit> Janux: try /var/log
[06:10] <Janux> this x-chat
[06:10] <theturtle> nickrud you weren't flippant, thats exactly what i asked...albeit thats a huge directory, shouldn't be problem mirroring it.
[06:11] <fightingfortofu> so how do i get tv out to work in ubuntu with a 9600xt?
[06:11] <Janux> nickrud, I don't find it there....
[06:11] <Janux> nickrud, it's x-chat log file
[06:11] <nickrud> theturtle, if you are serious about mirroring, there's tools for that, ask on #debian
[06:12] <xon> I thought xchat logs were stored in a hidden directory /home/youruser/.xchat2
[06:12] <gratuit> Janux: tried .xchat2?
[06:12] <theturtle> ok
[06:12] <tolle> fightingfortofu: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-23462.html
[06:12] <tolle> fightingfortofu: Might be something.
[06:12] <Janux> gratuit, o...found it, thanks a lot
[06:12] <fightingfortofu> thanks tolle
[06:12] <nickrud> theturtle, be respectful, & don't mention ubuntu right away :)
[06:13] <theturtle> lol
[06:14] <thechris> i need to change my resolution to something more then 640x480, what file does ubuntu use for this?
[06:15] <nickrud> thechris, /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:15] <thechris> hmm, that didn't do it
[06:16] <thechris> nvidia loads, and the monitor is detected
[06:16] <aru> anyone have a dsl modem that works usb under ubuntu?
[06:16] <nickrud> thechris, that's where it's all done, the devils in the details
[06:16] <tolle> thechris: System, Preferences, Screen resolution.
[06:16] <dazzed> usb modems are tricky aru
[06:16] <thechris> only lists 640x480 or 32x240
[06:16] <tolle> thechris: If there are no higher resolutions there. You need to edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and restart your xserver
[06:16] <thechris> neither are listed in the xorg.conf
[06:17] <thechris> no, there are ONLY higher resolutions
[06:17] <fightingfortofu> how do i install mplayer?
[06:17] <tolle> thechris: And you want a lower resolution?
[06:17] <nickrud> thechris, what VertRefresh is in your xorg.conf?
[06:18] <gratuit> fightingfortofu: add universe or multiverse(i forget which one), and apt-get install mplayer-<insert architecture here>
[06:18] <aru> the modem appears to be working and ubuntu sees it, I just dont know how to set up the connection
[06:18] <Raskall> *sigh* copying 2.4 Gigs over 802.11b sure is slow..
[06:19] <fightingfortofu> gratuit, how do i add universe?
[06:19] <chx_> hi. Could not find matching colorspace -- no matter what -vo i use in #mplayer, I get this. I have a Radeon 8500 and Hoary.
[06:19] <jiyuu0> fightingfortofu, try ubuntuguide.org there's instuctions there
[06:19] <fightingfortofu> thanks!
[06:19] <drcodedd2> Hi all
[06:20] <ScrewWindows> hello
[06:20] <drcodedd2> in /etc/modules I see ide-disk and ide-generic
[06:20] <ScrewWindows> i hate windows
[06:20] <ScrewWindows> i want it to die
[06:20] <aasics> that's nice.
[06:20] <dazzed> awwww come on now dont be a hater
[06:20] <dr_willis> ScrewWindows,  wow. Impressive.
[06:20] <drcodedd2> what load ide-generic and what load ide-disk?
[06:20] <nickrud> loove windows
[06:20] <gratuit> ScrewWindows: but if it died, then what would you hate?
[06:20] <aru> yeah, the modem is listed in the device manager... how do I set up the connection?
[06:20] <drcodedd2> I want to know who load ide-tape between those modules?
[06:22] <eb0x> Whats the default terminal for ubuntu?
[06:22] <yfir> gnome-terminal
[06:22] <dazzed> gnome term
[06:23] <tolle> eb0x: Gnome-Terminal
[06:23] <Janux> hi, I see my USB wireless adapter in Device Manager, I plugged it in without rebooting, when I do lspci, it doesn't show that though.  And when I try to ifup wlan0, it doesn't have it.  What should I do?
[06:23] <eb0x> Ty yfir, dazzed, tolle
[06:23] <ScrewWindows> I wouldn't hate anything
[06:23] <aru> there doesnt appear to be anywhere under network settings to setup the connection
[06:24] <ScrewWindows> Windows just lost my Word files
[06:24] <ScrewWindows> ALL OF THEM
[06:24] <farhan> your not serious?
[06:24] <ScrewWindows> I had up from two days ago thank god
[06:24] <nickrud> ScrewWindows, ahh, we do understand anger
[06:24] <ScrewWindows> but my word files are gone
[06:24] <yfir> ScrewWindows: maybe you should change your name to ScrewNotBackingUpMyData
[06:24] <|QuaD-> ScrewWindows: doesn't that tell you something (you shouldn't use windows)?
[06:24] <farhan> oo
[06:24] <ScrewWindows> the latest versions that is
[06:24] <ScrewWindows> I dont
[06:24] <eb0x> How do I recompile my kernel?
[06:24] <farhan> yah my fav windows has to be 2k
[06:24] <ScrewWindows> I am using bloody hoary right now
[06:24] <eb0x> I'm using a 386 kernel on a 686 box
[06:24] <ScrewWindows> I just dropped windows
[06:24] <ScrewWindows> its worthless
[06:24] <ScrewWindows> and needs to die
[06:25] <nickrud> eb0x, just apt-get install kernel-image***-686
[06:25] <Raskall> ScrewWindows: ubuntu is the right choice.
[06:25] <gratuit> eb0x: well then you should upgrade
[06:25] <eb0x> nickrud: What do I fill the *** with lol
[06:25] <drcodedd2> in alias I see: alias block-major-37 ide-tape
[06:26] <AvvY> would anyone be able to help me enable 3d acceleration with my ati 9800+ pro? i have installed the xlfg drivers, and tried to follow the guide over at the ubuntu forums, but still have problems.
[06:26] <eb0x> gratuit: I don't know how to upgrade :(
[06:26] <drcodedd2> dose this eq. to modprobe ide-tape?
[06:26] <farhan> i can't use ubuntu
[06:26] <farhan> \
[06:26] <aru> so lets see if I have this right, it will detect my modem, but its not useable?
[06:26] <tolle> farhan: What's the cause?
[06:27] <farhan> no speakup support
[06:27] <ScrewWindows> its nice
[06:27] <farhan> i'm currently using fedora right now until ubuntu gets speakup support
[06:27] <ScrewWindows> and it runs Doom 3 better than Xp
[06:27] <ScrewWindows> surprisingly enough
[06:27] <gratuit> eb0x: apt-cache search linux-image |grep 686 to find out the name of the package you need to install, then apt-get install <package name> to install it
[06:27] <tolle> farhan: You lost me there, speakup?
[06:28] <nickrud> and loves the bailout
[06:28] <farhan> oh and yes, i miss apt-get but debian didn't have my sound crap in k 2.4
[06:28] <aru> hmm, odd
[06:28] <farhan> its in the wiki
[06:28] <ScrewWindows> brb
[06:28] <eb0x> gratuit: linux-image-686
[06:28] <sig> AvvY: http://www.student.dtu.dk/~s971652/znote4200.html  <-- this guy walks through the ati card I think
[06:29] <gratuit> nickrud: btw, apprently ubuntu calls their kernel packages linux-image as opposed to kernel-image
[06:29] <bleezy_> Can someone help me .. I cant seem to apt-get install gift
[06:29] <sig> AvvY: http://www.student.dtu.dk/~s971652/znote4200.html#ati_radeon
[06:29] <nickrud> gratuit, old habits will not die :)
[06:29] <sig> this should gbet you through it
[06:29] <aru> so where would I set up a new network connection?
[06:29] <goldfish> bleezy_: Have u added the extra repositories?
[06:29] <Cine> is there a way to have certain applications run on startup?
[06:29] <Cine> like GAIM?
[06:29] <tolle> gratuit: Well, if other kernels would be offered later on, calling them linux-image is smarter
[06:29] <AvvY> sig: thanx, ill have a look
[06:29] <gratuit> nickrud: understood completely :)
[06:29] <goldfish> Cine: Are you running gnome?
[06:29] <MyNameIsChris> Hi, who would like to suggest a good dvd playback app with decent 5.1ch support. I have been using xine.
[06:29] <Cine> yup
[06:29] <Cine> gnome
[06:30] <goldfish> Cine: System > Sessions or soemthing similar, you can specify programs to run on startup
[06:30] <gratuit> tolle: true
[06:30] <farhan> or you can do it gayly and check the save my settings box
[06:30] <farhan> yes, so basicly ubuntu doesn't have a takling install. no talking install no ubuntu
[06:31] <farhan> talking
[06:31] <bleezy_> Can someone help me .. I cant seem to apt-get install gift
[06:31] <Cine> ah, awesome, thanks
[06:32] <farhan> tolle:  any other questions?
[06:32] <aru> i assumed it would be under networking
[06:32] <Amaranth> bleezy_: What's the error?
[06:32] <tolle> farhan: No... I just wondered what kind of speakup you ment. And noticed that it was the part for accessibility.
[06:33] <farhan> yep
[06:33] <bleezy_> Amaranth, E: Couldn't find package gift
[06:33] <Amaranth> bleezy_: You have universe enabled?
[06:33] <AvvY> sig: yeah, i had done all that before. but i still get this error: You are using software Mesa (no hardware acceleration)! : - there is more if u want to see it
[06:33] <tolle> farhan: Realy a major disadvantage to not support it.
[06:33] <bleezy_> let me check
[06:33] <farhan> completely blind, as soon as you guys add a ....something to your installer so i can type text speakup_synth=txprt or other values, i'm switchin
[06:34] <aru> maybe it works during install
[06:34] <AvvY> sig: i should add thats the error i get when loading Wolfenstein Enemy Territory
[06:34] <aru> like reinstall with the modem plugged in and it should set up the connection...
[06:34] <bleezy_> Amaranth, its in synaptic correct ?
[06:34] <Amaranth> bleezy_: It could be.
[06:34] <bleezy_> lol :(
[06:35] <farhan> even fedora isn't doing it the only distro that actually has speakup in its isos is slackware
[06:35] <nickrud> I knew there was a reason slackware existed
[06:35] <farhan> lol whats that reason?
[06:35] <nickrud> farhan, you
[06:35] <Amaranth> farhan: Err, you can use apt-get
[06:36] <nickrud> if it works
[06:36] <bleezy_> Amaranth, there isnt anything in universe to enable
[06:36] <Amaranth> bleezy_: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[06:36] <drcodedd2> Hi all
[06:37] <drcodedd2> I see all the time module that load in kernel call ide-tape
[06:37] <drcodedd2> I want to remove it , where I can do it?
[06:37] <farhan> this might be a dumb question but is all linux no matter how you set the timezone militarry time?
[06:37] <aru> lets try a reinstall
[06:37] <nickrud> farhan, may I suggest you got to #ubuntu-devel, and work with them to make the install accessible?
[06:38] <farhan> hmmmm
[06:38] <farhan> i'm not really a person that works on speakup, i just wana use ubuntu
[06:38] <eb0x> Anyone want to help me recompile my kernel?
[06:38] <farhan> lol
[06:39] <bleezy_> lol
[06:39] <farhan> ok. i'm out, tired
[06:39] <bleezy_> me me please pick me
[06:40] <drcodedd2> how I use depmod
[06:40] <nickrud> damn, I don't think I said that right :(
[06:40] <|QuaD-> drcodedd2: man depmod
[06:40] <drcodedd2> I want to remove ide-tape from kernel module
[06:40] <drcodedd2> I look at depmod man
[06:40] <drcodedd2> I saw that it do some file call .map
[06:40] <eb0x> How do I recompile my kernel?
[06:41] <drcodedd2> but I want first to remove the ide-tape then use depmod
[06:41] <nickrud> eb0x, apt-get install kernel-package, man make-kpkg
[06:41] <drcodedd2> I mean from what main file it read?
[06:41] <aru> its amazing no one else thought of using a usb modem on linux
[06:41] <Amaranth> aru: USB modems suck, why would programmers want them? :)
[06:41] <Amaranth> aru: It doesn't suprise me.
[06:42] <drcodedd2> quad:It read from some file and then do .map ?
[06:42] <Amaranth> And most USB modems do cat5 too.
[06:42] <aru> yeah this one does also
[06:42] <Cine> which packages do I need to install to get Flash working in mozilla?
[06:43] <Amaranth> Those high speeds people show off for USB are _burst_ speeds, they are usually working a low slower.
[06:43] <aru> i just dont get why it shows up and is recognized if I cant use it
[06:43] <Amaranth> Like CD-ROM speeds, 52x means 52x max.
[06:43] <tolle> Cine: I use flashplugin-nonfree
[06:43] <Cine> I'll try that one...
[06:43] <nickrud> Cine, if you have multiverse enabled, flashplugin-nonfree
[06:44] <Cine> do I need to log-out/log-in to get it to work?
[06:44] <Cine> or should it just work right away?
[06:44] <aru> but like I said, maybe reinstalling with the modem plugged in will work
[06:44] <nickrud> Cine, no
[06:44] <tolle> Cine: should work right away.
[06:44] <Cine> okie... thanks
[06:45] <drcodedd2> from what file depmod take the modules?
[06:46] <nickrud> drcodedd2, I'll take a stab at that; I don't think depmod takes info from a file, it actually traverses the modules and creates the dependencies
[06:47] <nickrud> I hope to be corrected if wrong, I may be over my head
[06:47] <drcodedd2> so If I want to remove ide-tape
[06:47] <Raskall> agh.. I give up. burning the data on a dvd instead of copying it over 802.11b. So extremely slow. Hardly faster than my internet link.
[06:47] <bleezy_> Amaranth, where does it install it to ?? -gift
[06:47] <drcodedd2> it load all the time from kernel: I need to delete the .ko file?
[06:48] <Amaranth> bleezy_: You need a program that uses gift. apollon is the best and is for KDE, giFToxic is almost as good and is for GNOME
[06:48] <nickrud> drcodedd2, I'm sorry, I've been away, remove ide-tape from what?
[06:48] <bleezy_> ty again
[06:48] <drcodedd2> from loading all the time in the kernel
[06:49] <nickrud> ah, is it in /etc/modules?
[06:49] <drcodedd2> I have some tape device that I dont need ide-tape
[06:49] <drcodedd2> I need ide-scsi
[06:49] <drcodedd2> it dosnt there
[06:49] <drcodedd2> I checl
[06:49] <drcodedd2> check
[06:49] <drcodedd2> I saw ide-tape.ko file
[06:49] <drcodedd2> If I will delete it or rename and then do depmod , it will remove it?
[06:50] <nickrud> drcodedd2, ok, I can help, but this is a drastic fix, until you disable it ide-tape will *never* get loaded
[06:50] <drcodedd2> the file  is here: /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/drivers/ide
[06:50] <drcodedd2> I dont want it to be loaded
[06:50] <drcodedd2> I need ide-scsi to load
[06:50] <drcodedd2> it prevent from my tape to work
[06:51] <drcodedd2> my tape is di-30 it use ide-scsi and osst
[06:51] <drcodedd2> for some resone I dont know if it kernel problem or not it dosnt work at all
[06:51] <fightingfortofu> how do you start fglrxcontrol?
[06:51] <drcodedd2> I did use rmmod ide-tape and so , but without any luck
[06:51] <drcodedd2> is old kerenel - slackware dist, the same computer it worked
[06:52] <nickrud> drcodedd2, create a file 'do-not-load-ide-tape', put one line in it:ide-tape, and drop it in /etc/hotlist/blacklist.d
[06:52] <drcodedd2> After I install ubuntu v5.04 it stop working
[06:52] <drcodedd2> wow nice
[06:52] <bleezy_> Amaranth,  it says specify a host and port .. but where do i type it >>?
[06:52] <Amaranth> err
[06:52] <bleezy_> sorry
[06:52] <bleezy_> k
[06:53] <drcodedd2> there is no /etc/hotlist
[06:53] <nickrud> drcodedd2, yeah, I meant hotplug :)
[06:53] <drcodedd2> and there is no blacklist.d
[06:53] <drcodedd2> to open such dir?
[06:54] <nickrud> drcodedd2, /etc/hotplug/blacklist.d exists on my ubuntu
[06:54] <drcodedd2> not it v5.04
[06:54] <drcodedd2> that what I have
[06:54] <sagara> can anybody help me... I cant run my simple Cshell script eventhough im running Cschell and the file has executable rights for all
[06:55] <drcodedd2> n.m I create it
[06:55] <drcodedd2> I will now try to reboot
[06:55] <drcodedd2> I will be back after reboot
[06:55] <nickrud> drcodedd2, it's there: ajax: ~ $ l /etc/hotplug/blacklist.d/
[06:55] <nickrud> alsa-base  libsane
[06:55] <drcodedd2> bye
[06:55] <drcodedd2> k
[06:55] <drcodedd2> sorry
[06:55] <drcodedd2> now I saw it
[06:56] <nickrud> k
[06:56] <nickrud> np :)
[06:56] <drcodedd2> thanx
[06:56] <drcodedd2> I will reboot and check it out
[06:56] <drcodedd2> bye
[06:57] <sagara> anybody there?
[06:58] <imaek> no
[06:58] <imaek> I'm here though.
[06:58] <imaek> I don't like there.
[06:58] <sagara> hahaha, do u know about Cshell?
[06:58] <imaek> I don't.
[06:59] <sagara> ok, thanks!
[06:59] <thr1ce> alright...I GUESS i'll hold off on breezy for a few weeks... :)
[06:59] <imaek> :(
[06:59] <nickrud> thr1ce, you got a clue, eh?
[06:59] <thr1ce> nickrud, i'm tempted though
[07:00] <thr1ce> nickrud, is it really that bad?
[07:00] <nickrud> thr1ce, I have a spare partition, how bout you :)
[07:00] <nickrud> thr1ce, it could be, so if you need to get work done, don't make it your default system.
[07:01] <thr1ce> nickrud, well..."could be" means a few things; in theory, any pre-release "could be"
[07:01] <thr1ce> nickrud, is it as stable now as it will be until release?
[07:02] <_Trintity_> is it posible for a module built from source and installed, to virtually disappear?  modprobe prism2_usb doesn't find anything any more
[07:02] <nickrud> thr1ce, if I could get into james troup's mind, I might have an answer.
[07:02] <tolle> thr1ce: Since Hoary has just been released, I guess breezy badger would be almost exactly like Debian Sid or so.
[07:02] <thr1ce> nickrud, well, I guess it is hard to say, seeing as how ubuntu is still so young
[07:03] <mitrick> back all
[07:03] <mitrick> im on kubuntu finally with X
[07:03] <mitrick> i started k3b but i got no cdrdao
[07:03] <nickrud> thr1ce, ubuntu may be young as a company, but it's roots run deep. I'm hoping that a fresh bloom will be viable.
[07:03] <mitrick> and there is missing lot of apps
[07:04] <Raskall> is it me or does the kubuntu-desktop seem very unfinished compared to the gnome ubuntu-desktop?
[07:04] <mitrick> Raskall, what do u mean by unfinished?
[07:04] <mitrick> im running it now and seems good
[07:04] <_Trintity_> can't  say I haven't used kde since debian sarge
[07:05] <_Trintity_> and that looked pretty professional
[07:05] <maggno> hi hi
[07:05] <thr1ce> nickrud, true
[07:05] <maggno> i from chile
[07:05] <thr1ce> is breezy being synced with debian-sid?
[07:05] <thr1ce> kde 3.4 is very nice
[07:05] <tolle> mitrick: however, you said you lacked some applications. And that might bewhat he ment.
[07:05] <mitrick> yea
[07:05] <Raskall> mitrick: a lot of ubuntu things are missing from the kde setup, I think. I haven't used it much because it bugs me that I cant find the things I have gotten used to in gnome.
[07:05] <mitrick> thr1ce, where u a slack user?
[07:05] <thr1ce> mitrick, yes, I was for awhile
[07:06] <nickrud> thr1ce, you need to subscribe to breezy changes mailling list. I've had thousands of emails showing changes to breezy.
[07:06] <mitrick> ah thats why i knew u from ##slackware
[07:06] <thr1ce> nickrud, i wish they were documented somewhere
[07:06] <mitrick> i used to hang there a lot
[07:06] <thr1ce> i'd rather not get thousands of emails... :)
[07:06] <mark_> hey, anyone know of a good linux bittorrent client?
[07:06] <thr1ce> mitrick, oh?  are you a slack user ?
[07:06] <thr1ce> yes, bittorrent
[07:06] <thr1ce> lol
[07:06] <nickrud> thr1ce, they are, http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/breezy-changes
[07:06] <discord> I wrote a howto to install the wlan-ng driver for hoary
[07:06] <yfir> mark_: bittornado
[07:07] <discord> if anyone is interested its here https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HowToInstallTheWlanNgDriverInHoary
[07:07] <mitrick> how can i install cdrdao here ?
[07:07] <_Trintity_> discord whre is this how to?
[07:07] <thr1ce> nickrud, that looks empty
[07:07] <mark_> yfir: I don't really like bittorrando
[07:07] <Raskall> mitrick: but it might just be that I don't like kde anymore since I switched to gnome.
[07:07] <maggno> hola donde puedo conseguir los plugins para el reproductor de audio de ubuntu???
[07:07] <mitrick> i tried sudo apt-get install cdrdao but there is none
[07:07] <pizzathief_> is matt oquist about?
[07:08] <kuntu> whats a TOS violation ?
[07:08] <NigelS> mark_: azureus? that's pretty nice
[07:08] <thr1ce> why not just use bittorrent?
[07:08] <thr1ce> and I think gnome even has one built in
[07:08] <NigelS> yeah, the gnome one is like a lot of gnome apps, rather feature-light
[07:08] <tolle> mark_: Are you using GNOME as your desktop environment?
[07:09] <tolle> mark_: If you are, freeloader is a rather nice bittorrent client.
[07:09] <stevenj> I installed msttcorefonts, (+tohoma)-my question is what font settings do I use in Firebird in to read my mail.....? any suggestions on the fonts settings?
[07:09] <mark_> tolle: That's what I use currently
[07:09] <mark_> tolle: looking for one with more features
[07:09] <nickrud> thr1ce, that's where you subscribe to the list that has the changes. since I subscribed on 4/12, I've had 3569 changes recorded
[07:09] <tjs> are there any/any planned experimental packages of the luminocity stuff for gnome?
[07:10] <mark_> wait, i'll just get azureus
[07:10] <Cine> ok, what package do I need to install for the mozilla java plugin?
[07:10] <_Trintity_> discord: thanks, I had installed it and am having some problems, although it used to work
[07:10] <thr1ce> nickrud, wow...so, in the event something goes bad, I can always change my repositories back to hoary, and it will downgrade?  how does that work
[07:11] <Cine> I tried searching for java in the PM but I get tons...
[07:11] <nickrud> thr1ce, no dice. keep hoary as your working system, and if you want breezy, make it an experimental partition.
[07:11] <mark_> Cine: Ubuntuguide has it
[07:11] <nickrud> downgrading has always been an undefined function in debian
[07:11] <thr1ce> nickrud, well, it's a desktop PC, used for nothing work-related; so, I guess it can be turned into one...hehe; we'll see
[07:11] <thr1ce> i'm leaning towards breezy....
[07:12] <syn-ack> Hey everyone.
[07:12] <NigelS> well, be prepared for much breakage in the early days, plus you'll prob need to use dpkg to correct various errors/problems that crop up
[07:12] <br33zy> hiya, friend is tyring to install xine in apt-get, his sources.list isf ine, but he gets that "no candidate" thing
[07:12] <NigelS> last I looked for example, evolution wasn't installable on breezy due to a problem with libcamel
[07:13] <maggno> ok
[07:13] <maggno> thanks
[07:13] <maggno> for alls
[07:13] <nickrud> thr1ce, learn aptitude, it will give you fine grained control of your system.
[07:13] <thr1ce> man...is it REALLY that bad?  I've run slackware-current for years (also a pre-release) without any problem
[07:13] <nickrud> If you want to run a cutting edge machine, it is the tool
[07:13] <Cine> mark, are you talking about the online help?  the little life presever button?
[07:13] <br33zy> NEVEMRIND
[07:13] <br33zy> sorry 'bout the caps
[07:13] <br33zy> thanks all
[07:14] <br33zy> erm, nevermind that nevermind
[07:14] <br33zy> problem still exists
[07:14] <tolle> br33zy: xine-ui
[07:14] <thr1ce> nickrud, well, lets say I want the latest gaim
[07:14] <tolle> br33zy: however, i prefer to use totem-xine
[07:14] <thr1ce> or the latest gnome
[07:14] <tolle> br33zy: makes totem use the xine backend
[07:14] <nickrud> k
[07:14] <mark_> Cine: http://ubuntuguide.org/#jre
[07:15] <br33zy> alright, thanks tolle will try
[07:15] <thr1ce> nickrud, compiling gnome is near impossible to do...
[07:15] <thr1ce> (for the lazy)
[07:15] <nickrud> thr1ce, I've done it several times :)
[07:15] <nickrud> thr1ce, jhbuild is your friend
[07:15] <NigelS> garnome etc, makes compiling it rather easy
[07:15] <thr1ce> nickrud, ok; but, if I want the latest gaim, breezy seems to be the easiest
[07:16] <NigelS> there's no especially good reason to use breezy right now, wait a month or 2 and maybe more useful stuff will be upgraded
[07:16] <nickrud> thr1ce, I don't want the latest gaim, I want the latest known working gaim
[07:16] <thr1ce> 1.2.1 works wonderful for gaim
[07:16] <NigelS> if you want to latest gaim, just grab the debs for that, no need to potentially break lots of stuff with a dist-upgrade
[07:16] <tolle> thr1ce: You could always just download that specific deb.
[07:16] <thr1ce> just because hoary froze before it's release does NOT make it not stable
[07:17] <nickrud> thr1ce, I don't use gaim, but the 'lastest known working' was the point
[07:17] <NigelS> does not make it not stable? ?:P
[07:17] <yfir> thr1ce: if you really need the lateset gaim, why not just download the deb and install it with dpkg rather than switch your entire system over to a pre-release testing version?
[07:17] <thr1ce> well, it's not gaim specifically
[07:17] <thr1ce> i'm just curious...is the pre-release really that unstable...?
[07:17] <tolle> thr1ce: works for most other applications as well.
[07:18] <tolle> thr1ce: Could be
[07:18] <MyNameIsChris> Hi, does anyone know how to enable a 5.1channel speaker configuration in xine?
[07:18] <vessuvius81> does anyone know how to install themes on gkrellm?
[07:18] <NigelS> it's not about software stability per se, though that is partially an issue. It;s more about dependency breakage
[07:18] <kuntu> can i use debian stuff in ubuntu ?
[07:18] <NigelS> the old tags of debian/unstable, testing etc were always something of a misnomer
[07:18] <tolle> kuntu: Most of the time.
[07:19] <yfir> vessuvius81: i think you just put them in ~/.gkrellm2/themes/
[07:19] <nickrud> thr1ce, if you don't depend on your machine for your income, knock yourself out, that's what I use extra partitions for :)
[07:19] <thr1ce> well, I know about the possibility of unstability; I've ran a slackware -current machine for years without ANY problem, and I'm just finding it hard now to believe that this is terrible
[07:19] <odyssey> are there backports from breezy for hoary?
[07:20] <yfir> thr1ce: stop talking about it and just do it. you've heard the advice of others here, now make a choice and live with it
[07:20] <NigelS> thr1ce: as I say, it's not about stability, it's about potentially finding things break on a bad library upgrade after a dist-upgrade one day.  Slackware is not a repository based distro.
[07:20] <thr1ce> but, things are fixed as they are broken, right?  I mean, when evolution breaks, and the fixed packs come in, my system will fix itself right ?
[07:20] <tolle> thr1ce: Its probably not a minefield or anything like that. Just that you should be aware that things will brake.
[07:20] <kuntu> slackware droped gnome
[07:20] <nickrud> MyNameIsChris, the most likely solution I've heard is to run alsamixer, it gives access to the extra channels
[07:20] <MyNameIsChris> nickrud, cheers
[07:20] <thr1ce> bah...ok, i'm in :)
[07:20] <Cine> mark... that didn't work... although mozilla doesn't crash when I try to run java stuff so its a step in the right direction... :)
[07:20] <syn-ack> Breezy seems to be coming along real nice. Love the bug hunting in the new stuff. :)
[07:21] <nickrud> thr1ce, if you can keep slack stable, I take everything I said back :)
[07:21] <thr1ce> haha
[07:21] <mark_> Cine: alright, then I have no idea because that's what I'm doing at this moment
[07:21] <thr1ce> yes, this non compiling everything stuff is making me nervous!
[07:21] <syn-ack> Slack is Evil.
[07:21] <Cine> oh waith... there it goes...
[07:22] <tolle> thr1ce: apt-get -b source package
[07:22] <Cine> had to restart mozilla... duh
[07:22] <mark_> SLack is Slack
[07:22] <thr1ce> i've never had a problem with slack
[07:22] <tolle> thr1ce: builds them if that calms you down.
[07:22] <thr1ce> really?  neat
[07:22] <thr1ce> one command to compile a deb from source?
[07:22] <tolle> Yeah
[07:22] <mark_> wow, you can download fast Cine
[07:22] <thr1ce> sudo apt-get -b gaim.tar.gz gaim.deb ?
[07:22] <Cine> cable is the bomb... :)
[07:22] <tolle> No not at all
[07:23] <tolle> only works for debs that has deb sourcefiles
[07:23] <mark_> dialup owns cable anyday
[07:23] <kuntu>  lol
[07:23] <tolle> for making your own debfiles there are a few steps to do
[07:23] <tolle> but if the package, like mplayer has a debian folder in them. dpkg-buildpackage builds it.
[07:23] <br33zy> worked tolle thanks
[07:23] <br33zy> later
[07:23] <tolle> unless my memory fails me
[07:23] <thr1ce> ooh, ok
[07:24] <thr1ce> ok....here goes the first dist-upgrade
[07:24] <tolle> thr1ce: http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/
[07:25] <thr1ce> probably won't see anyone til after a re-install
[07:25] <thr1ce> :)
[07:25] <Cine> dial up makes me want to kill myself...
[07:25] <tolle> thr1ce: shows how to make your own deb files from pure tarball source
[07:25] <Cine> especially after I've gotten so use to broadband
[07:25] <Cine> I d/l ubuntu in under 2hrs
[07:25] <Akria> what are you talking about, i'm chatting and downloading 3 things
[07:25] <Akria> thats mega speed at 2.5 kb for one and .8 for the other
[07:26] <tolle> Cine: I got a 10MB connection with the ubuntu/debian and gnome mirrors on the same ISP/Net. So you get kinda spoiled rather fast.
[07:26] <tolle> well, swedish ubuntu/debian mirror...
[07:26] <Cine> lol, I bet
[07:26] <thr1ce> ok...neat
[07:26] <thr1ce> bbiab
[07:26] <Cine> well now I can play chess again...
[07:27] <Cine> I've about got my ubuntu harddrive to do everything I could do with my windows HD
[07:27] <Cine> took a couple days, but I got there...
[07:27] <nickrud> Cine, emal works well for chess :)
[07:27] <Akria> yaa four hours till i can install azureus
[07:27] <Cine> nick, i'm too impatient for correspondance... I like to get beat fast
[07:27] <nickrud> lol
[07:28] <NigelS> Akria: with that kind of bandwidth..what's the point? :)
[07:28] <Cine> another quick question... are there any good P2P applications for linux?
[07:28] <Cine> beyond bittorrent?
[07:28] <nickrud> gtk-gnutella, and mldonkey if you configure it right
[07:29] <Akria> NigelS: It's faster than that... usually 16 megs takes 1.5 hours
[07:29] <Akria> so about 2 hours
[07:29] <Akria> unlimited dialup on a seperate line makes large files not that hard to download
[07:29] <Cine> perfect... now I don't need my windows anymore!  hurray!
[07:30] <muk_amd64> Cine, grats!
[07:30] <NigelS> I guess.  At least with bittorrent on dialup you should have no trouble maxing out your bandwidth :)
[07:30] <Akria> *golfclap*
[07:30] <Cine> thanks muk... I'm pretty excited...
[07:30] <Cine> gettin' really tired of all the spyware and crap...
[07:31] <muk_amd64> fo shizzle
[07:31] <muk_amd64> I still play WoW on here anyways, so no need for windows period
[07:31] <syn-ack> HAHAH
[07:31] <Cine> I'll have to boot windows one more time to get all my files off, then its off to reformat heaven for the microsoft demon...
[07:31] <Akria> Yeah, bittorrent is great... like I can update linux, while downloading on bittorrent... It seems to vary it's speed to use up extra bandwidth
[07:32] <Akria> I never got spyware on windows
[07:32] <muk_amd64> Cine, just access the files from linux and copy them over
[07:32] <Akria> WoW blows :)
[07:32] <muk_amd64> lol, says you
[07:32] <muk_amd64> I just spent like 2 hours playing AA, hehe
[07:32] <Cine> oh yeah... guess I could do that...
[07:32] <Akria> jk
[07:32] <Akria> I tell my friends that...
[07:32] <Cine> have to plug in the harddrive though... :)
[07:32] <Akria> damn additcts
[07:33] <Cine> I unplugged it so I didn't reformat it on accident during the ubuntu install
[07:33] <Akria> sudo mount /dev/hda1 -t ntfs
[07:33] <Akria> and something esle
[07:33] <Akria> No, seriously my friends play too much...
[07:33] <Nula> sudo mount /dev/hda1 -t ntfs *destination directory*
[07:34] <Akria> Like live for the game
[07:34] <Akria> sry, forgot that :(
[07:34] <Cine> I have a friend I practically don't talk to anymore cuz he's always playing WoW
[07:34] <dr_willis> Ive gotten sort of tired of World of Warcraft.
[07:34] <Cine> well its unplugged, so mounting it isn't gonna do me much good... :)
[07:34] <kuntu> whats wow ?
[07:34] <dr_willis> It just seems its  the same thing over and over. :()  its well done.. but still gets repetitive.
[07:34] <Cine> world of warcraft
[07:34] <kuntu> talking is over rated
[07:34] <Akria> good point
[07:35] <bleezy_> why is gift so hard to setup ???
[07:35] <dr_willis> Guild Wars comes out the 28th. :P
[07:35] <bleezy_> arggg
[07:35] <yfir> bleezy_: purely for irony
[07:35] <NigelS> A lot of mmorpgs are basically 3D IRC clients in the end. :)
[07:35] <Cine> as soon as WoW is free to play I might get into it... I just can't justify paying money every month to play a game
[07:35] <Akria> i may try that
[07:36] <NigelS> I got pretty bored of WoW pretty quickly.  I think the lack of a proper pvp system to begin with ensured that.
[07:36] <NigelS> guild wars I'll take a look at
[07:36] <dr_willis> Cine,  of all them out  however. its one of the easiest to get into and learn and fun to play. :P City of Heros is great fun also.
[07:36] <Akria> so in a way i'm playing a mmorpg
[07:36] <nickrud> ok, anyone got ubuntu problems, I thought that's why we were here :)
[07:36] <NigelS> some guy has posted some screens of GW in cedega, so...maybe it can be played in linux.
[07:36] <dr_willis> I dont think there is any proper 'PvP' :P Guild wars seems to do it the best way however.
[07:36] <kuntu> i hate a game you have to get online to play
[07:36] <Akria> haha, honors system
[07:36] <dr_willis> I have played WoW with Cedega - it worked. :P be sure to use the opengl mode.
[07:36] <bleezy_> how do i ping :\
[07:36] <Akria> WoW can be played in linux
[07:36] <NigelS> we should def mount a vote on transgaming.com after it's released.  We've missed this round of voting, so have to wait till next month,
[07:37] <bleezy_> ping: www.yahoo.com
[07:37] <bleezy_> ?
[07:37] <Akria> I hated HL2 for that reason... Internet connection required
[07:37] <dr_willis> Heard that GuildWars under Cedega had issues.. but that was wth the Beta.
[07:37] <kuntu> dont you mean CS ?
[07:37] <yfir> bleezy_: man ping
[07:37] <kuntu> i think HL is sp
[07:37] <bleezy_> i hate reading :(
[07:38] <NigelS> yeah, I know WoW can be played in linux, I'm referring to GW.  I imagine it won't work very well...but afaik no work has been done on it yet by transgaming.
[07:38] <yfir> bleezy_: ok well, ask your question again, maybe somebody will phone you with an answer
[07:38] <bleezy_> lol
[07:38] <yfir> i'm still playing nethack, haven't tried Wow yet
[07:38] <bleezy_> i man ping now i cant get out says end esc
[07:39] <bleezy_> cntrl c dont work
[07:39] <Akria> haha, big jump in a game
[07:39] <NigelS> hmmmm.
[07:39] <mitrick> where is the root konsole in ubuntu?
[07:40] <NigelS> bleezy_: really, ping is not the hardest thing to use in the world. "ping yahoo.com" will suffice.
[07:40] <mitrick> cuz i need to to recompile alsa to make my audigy 2 value to work
[07:40] <bleezy_> i know'
[07:40] <bleezy_> cant get outa man
[07:40] <nickrud> mitrick, bad question, any terminal can be a root terminal. What are you after?
[07:40] <NigelS> press 'q'
[07:40] <yfir> bleezy_: just type 'q'
[07:40] <bleezy_> lol
[07:40] <bleezy_> kool
[07:40] <Akria> The one thing I hate on linux is sound...
[07:40] <mitrick> i want to recompile alsa
[07:40] <NigelS> O.o
[07:40] <mitrick> for making work my sound card
[07:40] <nickrud> mitrick, sorry, try sudo -i
[07:41] <yfir> Akria: i agree, sound is more difficult than it has to be
[07:41] <mitrick> its not even supported as i can see
[07:41] <abarbaccia> anybody know if they are working on finding a solution to linux sound issues.  because a volume control on my screen is worthless if it doesnt do anything
[07:41] <NigelS> or go to system tools --> root console
[07:41] <bleezy_> guess network dont work when it says host not found
[07:41] <mitrick> in slack it has the exact same alsa 1.0.8 and works like a charm. ubuntu is same but no sound
[07:41] <Akria> yeah, like it goes through esd... the oss... then alsa (correct me if im wrong)
[07:41] <NigelS> abarbaccia: without specifics that question doesn't mean much.
[07:42] <mitrick> none works
[07:42] <mitrick> i dont even see my sound card in alsamixer
[07:42] <bleezy_> or unreachabke
[07:42] <abarbaccia> im saying right now that the sound is not unified - you don't have a "master volume" that you can control and then apps get amplified by that...like in M$ how you have volume control that actually does something
[07:43] <NigelS> I don't like what they did with alsa/modprobe for ubuntu.  They stripped out alsaconf for example.  So it's a case of praying that the default script and udev will work... :)
[07:43] <Akria> hmm, how come gaim seems to dissappear all the time
[07:43] <abarbaccia> i can mute my volume in my volume control, but amarok and xine and the rest will all go ahead and play at THEIR volumes
[07:43] <nickrud> abarbaccia, there's PCM and MASTER, you must set each app to control the same volume control. I know, it sucks
[07:43] <NigelS> abarbaccia: really? I don't get that.
[07:43] <yfir> abarbaccia: that shouldn't happen
[07:43] <abarbaccia> like right now im playing back music in amarok, but the volume control doesn't do anything
[07:44] <abarbaccia> on my desktop
[07:44] <mitrick> i think ill just recompile alsa
[07:44] <abarbaccia> the volume control in amarok does tho
[07:44] <mitrick> will be easier to make sound work back again
[07:44] <NigelS> mitrick: have you searched the wiki for your card?
[07:44] <mitrick> yea
[07:44] <mitrick> it is supported with alsa 1.0.8
[07:44] <NigelS> is it a nasty card with annoying software only components? :)
[07:44] <mitrick> it has always worked with any other linux except ubuntu
[07:45] <NigelS> the card being?
[07:45] <mitrick> no i got an audigy 2 value
[07:45] <nickrud> For example, my keyboard is keyed to change master, but the volume control on the panel is pcm. makes it a b***h
[07:45] <Akria> well im going to bed
[07:46] <Akria> these downloads are going to take centuries
[07:47] <mitrick> i wonder how will work my other sound card
[07:47] <mitrick> i got an sound blaster live 5.1 here
[07:49] <tolle> Hehe, the release of Hoary sure made some inpact on the computerclubs bandwidth..
[07:49] <tolle> http://www.acc.umu.se/technical/statistics/ftp/monitordata/img/SixMonths.700.png
[07:49] <tolle> the peak in april is from when it was released..
[07:50] <pablo928> i finally made the break: reformatted hda1 (ntfs) to ext3
[07:50] <nickrud> pablo928, welcome to the free :)
[07:50] <seeker_> how can I see the list of opened ports, and how can I open or close a specific port?
[07:51] <nickrud> seeker_, netstat -tl will tell you what's listening
[07:52] <pablo928> nickrud, only one problem-i now have a 80GB hd that I mounted but can't figure how to write to.
[07:53] <nickrud> pablo928, you need to mount it somewhere on the filesystem :)
[07:53] <seeker_> nickrud: the address are name based not numerical (and there are not enough of them! port 80 is not there and neither is 21 etc.)
[07:53] <nickrud> so where is it?
[07:53] <nickrud> seeker_, netstat -tln
[07:54] <NigelS> mitrick: I just had a look into it and it does seem some silly things were done with alsa, but alsa 1.08 is in Universe as source, so you could get it and make the deb with sudo apt-get source alsa-source --compile
[07:54] <pablo928> nickrud, i added it to etc/?
[07:54] <tolle> seeker_: nmap lists open ports, and you can close them with iptables.
[07:54] <pablo928> nickrud, it shows in my system monitor
[07:54] <drcodedd2> I need quick help
[07:55] <drcodedd2> I think I found soltion for my tape
[07:55] <seeker_> where can I find nmap? (it's not a consol command obviously - I tried :)  )
[07:55] <NigelS> mitrick: I gather the audigy 2 value driver is in that.
[07:55] <drcodedd2> In some forum of suse I need to put line here:
[07:55] <tolle> seeker_: apt-get install nmap
[07:55] <drcodedd2> here: /etc/sysconfig/kernel
[07:55] <drcodedd2> the line I need to put : INITRD_MODULES="reiserfs ide-scsi raid1"
[07:55] <drcodedd2> how I do it in ubuntu
[07:56] <seeker_> ok tolle, I'll give it a try thanks.
[07:56] <jinx``> what do you want to do?
[07:56] <jinx``> drcodedd2
[07:56] <sQuiDY> could someone help me with mldonkey?
[07:56] <sQuiDY> i'm a bit confused
[07:56] <nickrud> drcodedd2, you would put the modules on separate lines in /etc/modues
[07:56] <drcodedd2> It is "ide-scsi", not "ide_scsi". You need to add it to initrd. Edit
[07:56] <drcodedd2> "/etc/sysconfig/kernel" and add it to the list of modules; for example:
[07:56] <drcodedd2> INITRD_MODULES="reiserfs ide-scsi raid1"
[07:56] <drcodedd2> then run mkinitrd. After reboot, check the /var/log/boot.msg file.
[07:56] <drcodedd2> this
[07:56] <seeker_> is there a program that can monitor my traffic as well? (something like netlimitter on windows)
[07:56] <nickrud> /etc/modules
[07:57] <thr1ce> ok...breezy update went fine
[07:57] <nickrud> thr1ce, so far, so good :)
[07:57] <thr1ce> yep] 
[07:58] <sQuiDY> can anone help me with mldonkey?
[07:58] <nickrud> seeker_, I used to use ntop
[07:58] <drcodedd2> nic:I need to do somthng after I changet the /etc/module?
[07:58] <seeker_> *used* to? found something better, or you just don't bother anymore?
[07:58] <nickrud> drcodedd2, yeah, as best I've learned, reboot
[07:59] <nickrud> rmmod and insmod may get you there without rebooting
[07:59] <tolle> seeker_: ethereal could also be what you are looking for.
[07:59] <sQuiDY> do you guys have trouble using dcpp?
[07:59] <sQuiDY> the linux port of dc++
[07:59] <sQuiDY> the program is extremely unstable
[07:59] <NigelS> seeker_: iptraf is a simple tool that will certainly tell you about your throughput etc
[07:59] <sQuiDY> it quits everytime i try to download
[08:00] <sQuiDY> and the user list doesn't load correctly
[08:00] <tolle> sQuiDY: Yeah, since its under development it can be unstable from time to time.
[08:00] <drcodedd2> k
[08:00] <drcodedd2> thnx
[08:00] <seeker_> ok thanks. I'll try those progs out.
[08:00] <sQuiDY> i'm trying to find a good substitute
[08:00] <tolle> sQuiDY: You wont find one...
[08:01] <tolle> sQuiDY: Not that they let in on the hubs.
[08:01] <sQuiDY> so no DC use on linux? =T
[08:01] <tolle> sQuiDY: there are alot of clients
[08:01] <sQuiDY> i've tried dcgui-qt
[08:01] <tolle> sQuiDY: but not all to many of the clients are alowded on the larger hubs.
[08:01] <sQuiDY> i just need to get on my school's hub
[08:02] <tolle> sQuiDY: Doesnt dcgui-qt work for that?
[08:02] <ivoks> 'morning
[08:02] <sQuiDY> it does connect
[08:02] <sQuiDY> but search results show up in all gibberish computer code
[08:03] <sQuiDY> the gui is almost unbearable as well
[08:03] <aisipos> Anyone know how to install lm_sensors in Hoary?
[08:03] <kkathman> i have installed the msttcorefonts, and they are showing up under Opera, but not under the KDE control center...is there something else I have to do?
[08:03] <yfir> sQuiDY: i use the non-gq dcgui
[08:03] <yfir> *non-qt
[08:04] <tolle> yfir: the frontend to dctc?
[08:04] <yfir> yeah
[08:05] <tolle> The problems with it ( i love it ) is that it isnt alowded on most hubs. And configuring it requires some skills..
[08:05] <tolle> atleast the last version i used.
[08:05] <yfir> tolle: yes, i have the same problem
[08:05] <tolle> I configured it trough gconf
[08:05] <sQuiDY> ahhh
[08:05] <tolle> Easier then to get the gui to save the settings
[08:05] <sQuiDY> linux is complicated =T
[08:05] <sQuiDY> i go smoke some tree
[08:05] <sQuiDY> heh
[08:05] <sQuiDY> bbl
[08:06] <yfir> dc hub owners don't like linux users and their easily modified open source clients i guess...
[08:06] <yfir> though isn't dc++ open source?
[08:06] <tolle> Yeah it is
[08:08] <gsanimefan> um hello.
[08:08] <tolle> yfir: dctc doesnt tell the hub _what_ client it is.
[08:09] <yfir> tolle: yes. i've tried spoofing other clients but most hub servers are too smart for me :)
[08:09] <ali4728> Help! where an I fint HTML/php editor (WYSIWYG) for my Ubuntu/Linux? thnx
[08:09] <gsanimefan> Um im curious about ubuntu and one of the things that I would like to know is does upgrading ubuntu from release to release require special work each time
[08:09] <yfir> i only really use it on friend's hubs anyway so it isn't a huge problem for me
[08:09] <yfir> but it is annoying, i agree
[08:10] <tolle> gsanimefan: Not much. change one word and run 2 commands
[08:10] <NigelS> gsanimefan: no.  apt makes upgrading trivial.
[08:10] <ali4728> HELP! where can I fint HTML/php editor (WYSIWYG) for my Ubuntu/Linux? thnx
[08:10] <pablo928> ali4728, look in www.ubuntuguide.com -nvu
[08:10] <nickrud> gsanimefan, the real benefit of running ubuntu is all updates are transparent, that is, install once, install never again
[08:10] <ali4728> any brand?
[08:10] <|QuaD-> ali4728: a php wsiwyg editor isn't really that doable
[08:11] <|QuaD-> but nvu is decent for html
[08:11] <|QuaD-> bluefish isalso good
[08:11] <gsanimefan> ok cool cause if its easy for it to update even automatically then it makes it easier for the people im thinking of installing it for
[08:11] <ali4728> Thanx Quad-
[08:11] <pablo928> ali4728, nvu is the name of the app...i use it and like it-has integrated phpclient
[08:11] <|QuaD-> ali4728: you might also want to try quanta (though that means kde libraries)
[08:12] <ali4728> got it thnx
[08:14] <kkathman> quanta is very good
[08:14] <jinx``> do i have to reinstall ubuntu if i change my mainboard or something?
[08:15] <jinx``> for windows its better when changing such a piece of hardware
[08:15] <dr_willis> jinx``,  ive had issues with some distros in the past when doing such a Huge change.
[08:15] <dr_willis> But with the more mondern disrtos - not sure if its much of an issue.
[08:15] <tolle> jinx``: shouldnt be a issue
[08:15] <kkathman> jinx``: Uhm, I think that the boot will attempt to compensate, but you might have some extra tweaking
[08:15] <jinx``> so it might be better to reinstall
[08:15] <dr_willis> I had issues with somne Motherboard modules not getting loaded right (this was 2 yrs ago however)
[08:15] <NigelS> jinx``: maybe..depends what the new board is..but the kernel has a lot of modules compiled ready beside it in the stock install.  So it will load the appropriate modules on boot.
[08:16] <kkathman> after booting, check your dmesg and see if there are issues, if so, re-install...worth a shot
[08:16] <tolle> jinx``: Not realy, try?
[08:16] <jinx``> :D
[08:16] <NigelS> jinx``: it's highly unlikely that you'll need to reinstall.  Maybe...if for example your new system was 64bit you would then apt-get a new kernel. but the system will still boot.
[08:16] <kkathman> yeah good point there NigelS
[08:17] <kkathman> like I said, check the dmesg and see if there's anything to take care of
[08:17] <NigelS> the router in my house is basically a hard disk.  It's been in 3 different machines without any configuration changes.  It's running debian.
[08:19] <NigelS> now, change the mobo on your windows box and you'll not only potentially have hardware trouble but you'll also need to re-validate your windows copy I imagine :)
[08:20] <jinx``> pfff, xp
[08:20] <jinx``> i'm fine with win2k
[08:20] <jinx``> :D
[08:20] <darGor> Hello. with ubuntu, on GAIM, (msn) i can't view the budd'ys WebCam. anyone knows some msn client , which i can view buddy's webcam ?
[08:21] <kkathman> Has anyone attempted to install fonts in KDE under ubuntu?
[08:22] <Sunneh> Anyone willing to help me on an urgent problmen?
[08:22] <kkathman> Sunneh, just ask your question and maybe someone will know and answer :)
[08:22] <Sunneh> I tried that technique last night :|
[08:22] <Sunneh> Anyway, here goes :)
[08:23] <kkathman> well some people might not know :)
[08:24] <NigelS> asking a question is the only technique I'm aware of that can get help :)
[08:24] <look4`ShellC> ohaio
[08:24] <Sunneh> I have just created a new MBR using the Windows Recovery Console because my grub menu did not let me boot to Windows. I can't actually boot to Ubuntu because of an update gone wrong. I was wondering whether the best option is to delete the partitions and wait until my 5.04 CD's come and install it again then or is there another way that I can save my installation?
[08:25] <NigelS> Sunneh: question: surely the reason you can't boot to ubuntu is because you've overwritten the MBR - what was the event that rendered ubuntu unbootable otherwise?
[08:26] <Sunneh> Nigel: no. I tried to boot to ubuntu when the grub menu exlci
[08:26] <Sunneh> whoops
[08:26] <jinx``> the ubuntu cds? are they with a nice cover? :D
[08:26] <Sunneh> .. excluded windows
[08:26] <Sunneh> and it ket saying that files were missing.
[08:26] <NigelS> Interesting.  So you were not able to boot ubuntu at all, since performing the install?
[08:26] <Sunneh> Oh yes.
[08:27] <Sunneh> It's since I tried to upgrade last night.
[08:27] <Sunneh> The upgrades did not install successfully, It restarted and it buggered.
[08:28] <NigelS> from Warty --> Hoary was this?
[08:28] <Sunneh> Yes, from 4.10 to 5.04
[08:28] <Sunneh> Via the SPM
[08:28] <wantNewStuff> Is there any way to get new bzflag soon in ubuntu?
[08:29] <wantNewStuff> hoary has too old of version to play on the server I want
[08:29] <St0n3-C0l> Boom Bomm!
[08:29] <NigelS> Do you remember the errors when you selected linux in the grub menu and pressed enter? Was it that grub couldn't load the installation or that it started but then the boot failed?
[08:30] <St0n3-C0l> Linux is installed or having probs with installer ?
[08:30] <Sunneh> It started to load but then gave me an error saying files could not be found.
[08:30] <Sunneh> *It started to boot...
[08:30] <St0n3-C0l> Sunneh: check iso md5sum
[08:30] <neuroniche> Where can I discuss the implications of OOo's recent further use of Java?
[08:31] <Sunneh> St0n3: I'm wasn't usuing a CD.
[08:31] <drcodedd2> Hi all
[08:31] <St0n3-C0l> then ??
[08:31] <drcodedd2> one more q
[08:31] <drcodedd2> I get this Use ide-cd and give dev=/dev/hdX as devic
[08:32] <St0n3-C0l> who uses Breezy here ?
[08:32] <drcodedd2> ide-scsi is deprecated for cd burning! Use ide-cd and give dev=/dev/hdX as device
[08:32] <Sunneh> Nigel? Any ideas?
[08:32] <drcodedd2> How can I tell ubuntu to load hdc ide-cd
[08:33] <drcodedd2> and hdd to load ide-scsi
[08:33] <neuroniche> Is anyone here informed about OpenOffice.org and their Base package in 2.0?
[08:33] <kkathman> drcpdedd2 I think you'll have to adjust your fstab
[08:34] <wantNewStuff> drcodedd2: you use lilo or grub?
[08:34] <wantNewStuff> drcodedd2: you do it in there
[08:34] <Sunneh> Anyone?
[08:35] <kkathman> Ohhh I misread your question drcodedd2 , I apologize
[08:35] <ircbot_> what's a good handheld to get?
[08:35] <NigelS> Sunneh: ok.  Without seeing what's broken it's hard.  But you can still get into the system and try running it in single user mode and then apt-get to repair
[08:35] <drcodedd2> grub
[08:35] <kkathman> ircbot_: what are your requirements?
[08:35] <drcodedd2> where I put it in menu.lst
[08:36] <drcodedd2> and boot?
[08:36] <drcodedd2> after boot
[08:36] <Sunneh> Nigel: How do i do that?
[08:36] <ircbot_> kkathman: wifi preferably... expandable memory
[08:36] <Sunneh> (Thanks btw)
[08:36] <wantNewStuff> drcodedd2: it's in menu.lst, but I don't remember exact for grub (i used lilo back in the day when I needed that)
[08:36] <kkathman> ircbot_: got a specific budget in mind?
[08:36] <ircbot_> not really
[08:36] <St0n3-C0l> Those who uses Breezy development branch...having probs with cpp ?
[08:36] <drcodedd2> in grub I have defaultsave,boot
[08:36] <drcodedd2> any one can hel pme with grub
[08:37] <kkathman> ircbot_: I just got an iPAQ 2755 and Im very happy with it
[08:37] <kkathman> but its pricey
[08:37] <ircbot_> kkathman: don't those run the doze?
[08:37] <wantNewStuff> ircbot_: zarus runs linux
[08:37] <kkathman> yep fraid so....if you want a Palm, try the Clie' from Sony
[08:38] <kkathman> yeah that Zarus is hot
[08:38] <drcodedd2> k
[08:38] <drcodedd2> found
[08:38] <drcodedd2> thanx
[08:38] <dr_willis> Grrr... some how all these video clips in firefox want to load with totem.. which dont play them. :P mplayer does. but cant figure how to make it the default lol. I tell it to use mplayer and it forgets
[08:38] <Sunneh> [07:36]  <Sunneh> Nigel: How do i do that?
[08:38] <ircbot_> wantNewStuff: do they still make zaruses?
[08:38] <wantNewStuff> ircbot_: dunno
[08:38] <ircbot_> yeah i don't run windows w/o a sign from god... palm i can deal with
[08:38] <kkathman> ircbot_: I saw one at Frys here in Dallas a few weeks ago
[08:38] <ircbot_> and they stopped making the Clie i know
[08:39] <wantNewStuff> does anyone know how to get someone to package a new version of a program in ubuntu?... bzflag is behind and can't play with friends
[08:39] <Sunneh> Well. I got to go.
[08:39] <Sunneh> TTyl.
[08:39] <kkathman> ircbot_: I only mentioned Clie' because they discontinued the line, but they are pretty available for quite a nice price
[08:39] <hgoesm> is there a 64 bit version for ubuntu
[08:39] <ircbot_> kkathman: ah okay
[08:39] <NigelS> Sunneh: if you don't have a boot disk, which you most probably don't have, you'll need to use a live cd to mount....sheesh, some people.
[08:39] <hgoesm> not off ubuntu
[08:40] <kkathman> ircbot_: those used to go for like $500 or so, and you can get them now for under $150
[08:40] <cef> hgoesm: amd64, yes
[08:40] <hgoesm> thx
[08:40] <cef> hgoesm: that works on AMD Athlon64 and Intel EM64t
[08:40] <donjohnson> Hi can anyone tell me how to get online with warty live cd
[08:41] <donjohnson> dial up
[08:42] <NigelS> wantNewStuff: you can prob just install the new version yourself surely?  If you type apt-cache show bzflag you'll see the maintainer.  But in terms of hoary the reason why it's that version is more to do with the dependencies I imagine.  Your best bet is probably to install the new version yourself.
[08:42] <wantNewStuff> NigelS: from source??
[08:42] <NigelS> wantNewStuff: if necessary yes.
[08:42] <wantNewStuff> NigelS: I wanna switch from debian to ubuntu just to avoid that with X
[08:43] <sQuiDY> why is it that i can play mp3's
[08:43] <sQuiDY> but i have no system sounds?
[08:43] <sQuiDY> does ubuntu have any system sounds at all?
[08:43] <NigelS> wantNewStuff: well, I don't know that the situation in terms of the way that maintainers/releases work is much different.  i.e. you still need a person to upload a newer version that works with the system's dependencies.
[08:43] <ivoks> hi
[08:44] <donjohnson> need info to get online with wartyl live cd please
[08:45] <wantNewStuff> NigelS: debian has version of bzflag I need, but can't glx due to old X... ubuntu has glx, but not version of bzflag i need to play
[08:46] <NigelS> wantNewStuff: use the debian deb?
[08:46] <floater> donjohnson first make sure your ethernet card is detected, then set it up to use your internet connection
[08:47] <donjohnson> there is no kppp or pppd to fill in
[08:47] <floater> type pppoeconfig
[08:47] <floater> or something
[08:47] <donjohnson> i run kano x fine
[08:47] <floater> I don't remember
[08:48] <Determinist> s
[08:48] <wantNewStuff> NigelS: I hear that's a horrible idea
[08:48] <NigelS> wantNewStuff: otherwise, hassle the universe maintainer for the package :)
[08:48] <Determinist> ya know , ubuntu is really *very* nice
[08:48] <wantNewStuff> NigelS: I know people that have screwed up debian with ubuntu deb's
[08:49] <NigelS> wantNewStuff: erm? why? so long as the deps are satisfied
[08:49] <donjohnson> floater, do I use konsole  pppd
[08:49] <NigelS> wantNewStuff: some pacakges, sure, they'd install stuff in the wrong way, but for something pretty self-contained like a game it should be fine
[08:49] <wantNewStuff> NigelS: I can try I guess
[08:50] <NigelS> wantNewStuff: looks like libcurl is too low on debian atm
[08:50] <bleezy_> anyone here used giFToxic ??
[08:50] <NigelS> wantNewStuff: ubuntu even
[08:50] <wantNewStuff> bleezy_: i use apollon
[08:50] <wantNewStuff> bleezy_: which uses gift
[08:50] <bleezy_> was it easier to setup ?
[08:50] <wantNewStuff> bleezy_: it's KDE and all GUI
[08:50] <bleezy_> and gnome is the foot right ?
[08:51] <NigelS> wantNewStuff: which might be why the maintainer hasn't uploaded the new upstream version
[08:51] <wantNewStuff> NigelS: I don't need newest, just 2.x.x
[08:51] <donjohnson> can someone give me the command for getting dialup to configure
[08:51] <wantNewStuff> NigelS: protocol change in 2 from 1
[08:51] <floater> doesn't pppoeconfig work ?
[08:51] <wantNewStuff> donjohnson: use wvdial
[08:52] <NigelS> wantNewStuff: by newest I meant the version in debian sarge & sid.
[08:52] <tjs> does ubuntu still create a 'debian' dir to hold deb config files for packaging? or is the convention to use 'ubuntu' ?
[08:52] <donjohnson> ok tnx i go try again. but think files are missing
[08:52] <ivoks> donjohnson pppconfig
[08:52] <wantNewStuff> NigelS: anyways... i guess i'm gonna install ubuntu.  I'll still have glx for chromium atleast :)
[08:52] <ivoks> tjs debian, that's normal
[08:53] <tjs> ok cheers
[08:54] <Lanlost> How do I disable suspend mode? My laptop needs to be closed and right now I have to keep it open all the time to use it
[08:54] <Lanlost> I want to VNC to it and have it closed but it goes into suspend when I close the lid
[08:54] <ivoks> Lanlost ?
[08:55] <Lanlost> yes?
[08:55] <ivoks> suspend after lid?
[08:55] <bob2> Lanlost: suspend on lid close isn't enabled by default
[08:55] <Lanlost> Well.. it is for me =P
[08:55] <ivoks> on lid onlt monitor goes off
[08:55] <Lanlost> is that in /etc/defaults/acpi-support?
[08:55] <bob2> yes
[08:55] <ivoks> Lanlost yes
[08:55] <Lanlost> I can't figure out where
[08:55] <Lanlost> I have almost everything commented out
[08:55] <mjg59> Suspend on lid close is only enabled on PPC or if you're using APM
[08:56] <ivoks> anyone having any problems with suspend to ram?
[08:56] <Lanlost> maybe I'm using APM...
[08:56] <ivoks> i noticed that my touchpad doesn't work right after resume
[08:56] <Lanlost> how do I tell?
[08:56] <mjg59> If you're using ACPI and it appears to suspend, then it's more likely that your machine is crashing when it switches away from X
[08:56] <mjg59> Lanlost: Do you have a /proc/apm file?
[08:56] <Lanlost> I must be using APM becuase that must be why editing the acpi settings didn't do anything haha
[08:57] <noodle>  /nick Sphearion
[08:57] <Lanlost> no i just tried to vim /proc/apm and its blank.
[08:57] <ivoks> lol
[08:57] <ivoks> Lanlost ls /proc/apm would be anough
[08:57] <ivoks> enough
[08:57] <Lanlost> no such file or directory...
[08:58] <de_DustyCiti> Hi~ I just found that when I startup gnome-terminal, neither /etc/profile nor my personal settings (~/.bashrc, ~/.bash_profile) is being read. What should I do to get my bash env set up correctly?
[08:58] <Lanlost> well I Can log back in ifi  open the lid and move the mouse.. I get a prompt
[08:58] <ivoks> Lanlost ok, that's ok
[08:58] <mjg59> Lanlost: That's not suspending, then. It just locks the screen.
[08:58] <ivoks> Lanlost then it doesn't crash
[08:58] <Lanlost> ok, how do I disable that
[08:58] <ivoks> suspend is when lap shouts down
[08:59] <ivoks> Lanlost chmod -x /etc/acpi/lid.sh
[08:59] <ivoks> Lanlost why would u disable that?
[09:00] <Lanlost> whats -x do?
[09:00] <Lanlost> I don't want to lock the screen
[09:00] <Lanlost> I use VNC to access my laptop upstairs
[09:00] <ivoks> ?
[09:00] <Lanlost> and I don't want to have the lid always open
[09:00] <Determinist> ok , just installed ubuntu 5.04 , how can i make sure the system is up to date with the latest packages?
[09:00] <ivoks> Lanlost then don't do chmod -x
[09:00] <ivoks> Lanlost rearrange that script
[09:00] <Lanlost> what does the -x do?
[09:01] <Tomcat_> Remove executable rights
[09:01] <ivoks> Lanlost remove xscreensaver commands and put vbetool dpms off & vbetool dpms on
[09:01] <ivoks> Lanlost using VNC on linux is stoopid
[09:01] <Lanlost> ivoks.. whys that?
[09:01] <Lanlost> why is it stupidI mean
[09:02] <ivoks> Lanlost couse u have ssh, ssh -X, remote X etc...
[09:02] <ivoks> vnc does have sense only if u are connecting from windows
[09:02] <Lanlost> which I am..
[09:02] <ivoks> ah, then u have a problem :)
[09:02] <Lanlost> hahah
[09:02] <Lanlost> I run VNC full screen..
[09:03] <ivoks> Lanlost so, when screensaver fiers, u can't connect to vnc?
[09:03] <Lanlost> I can.. but the screen is locked
[09:03] <Lanlost> I just need to disable the screen locking when the lid closes
[09:03] <ivoks> so?
[09:04] <Lanlost> can't I just delete everything in the script?
[09:04] <ivoks> why? just enter password
[09:04] <ivoks> Lanlost don't delete script, maybe u will like that behavior later
[09:04] <Lanlost> ack wait.. I guess I can't do anything when the lid is closed
[09:04] <Lanlost> I Can't use VNC anymre but it doesn't disconnect..
[09:04] <ivoks> it's much better to comment out things u don;t want
[09:04] <Lanlost> I can't do any commands or anything while the screen is closed
[09:04] <Lanlost> I just see the unlock screen but I can't do anything
[09:05] <mitrick> back
[09:05] <Lanlost> when I open the lid I regain full control
[09:05] <mitrick> i cant compile gaim now
[09:05] <mitrick> no gcc
[09:05] <mitrick> damn there is lots of things missing in kubuntu
[09:05] <Seveas> Lanlost, just comment out the xscreensaver stuff in /etc/acpi/lid.sh
[09:05] <ivoks> Lanlost comment all lines with xscreensaver
[09:05] <Seveas> but do NOT delete that file
[09:05] <de_DustyCiti> Hi~ I just found that when I startup gnome-terminal, neither /etc/profile nor my personal setting is being read. What should I do to get g-t running as a login shell?
[09:05] <Lanlost> whats the comment symbol?
[09:05] <Lanlost> '?
[09:05] <NigelS> mitrick: it's not much hassle to apt-get gcc :)
[09:05] <ivoks> Lanlost #
[09:05] <Seveas> #
[09:05] <Lanlost> ok thanks
[09:05] <NigelS> mitrick: did you see my comments above on something that you were asking?
[09:06] <Seveas> mitrick, that is by design
[09:06] <Lanlost> can't i just comment everything?
[09:06] <Seveas> the average user does not need gcc
[09:06] <Seveas> Lanlost, no
[09:06] <rod> hi
[09:06] <Lanlost> whats chvt 12?
[09:06] <Seveas> Laney, only the lines with xscreensaver in it
[09:06] <ivoks> Lanlost man, be smarter
[09:06] <abarbaccia> hey what do you all use to print a dvi file?
[09:06] <Seveas> Laney, that means change to vt 12
[09:06] <Lanlost> haha
[09:06] <ivoks> Lanlost change virtual term to term 12
[09:06] <Seveas> Lanlost*
[09:06] <Lanlost> thats the greatest line I'
[09:06] <mitrick> yea
[09:06] <Lanlost> 've ever read
[09:07] <rod> i apt-got mozilla-mplayer... Now it makes me crash firefox so i apt-get remove mozilla-mplayer.   Firefox doesnt use mplayer now anymore, but when i open movies it still starts mplayer... I dont know what to remove now?
[09:07] <NigelS> Seveas: I actually don't think that's true yet with ubuntu/linux.  I think the *average* user currently will need gcc at some point during the life time of this release cycle.
[09:07] <ivoks> Lanlost that lid.sh is great chance to extend lifetime of ur laptop
[09:07] <mitrick> im trying to apt-get gcc now
[09:07] <mitrick> but fails
[09:07] <Seveas> rod, apt-get remove --purge mplayer
[09:07] <ivoks> Lanlost LCDs have lifetime, messured in hours
[09:07] <Lanlost> so keep the screen blank..
[09:07] <Lanlost> on the laptop ... correct...
[09:07] <ivoks> Lanlost it would be great to shoutdown ur LCD while lid is closed, wouldn't it?
[09:07] <Seveas> NigelS, not really, the point of a binary distribution is that you download precompiled things
[09:07] <Lanlost> ok that worked
[09:07] <rod> Seveas, Package mplayer is not installed, so not removed
[09:08] <Seveas> only if you want something that's not in the repo's you have a problem
[09:08] <ivoks> Lanlost none of this commands in lid.sh don't poweroff ur monitor
[09:08] <rod> oh nvm Seveas , it uses totem now after that command: )
[09:08] <Seveas> rod, sorry, that's mplayer-custom
[09:08] <NigelS> Seveas: I know what the *objective* is, but the reality on the ground is that we're not fully there yet.  Especially with universe.
[09:08] <Seveas> NigelS, true :)
[09:08] <Lanlost> ok it worked but my lcd doesn't turn off.. the backlight just goes off..
[09:08] <NigelS> mitrick: what's the error?
[09:08] <ivoks> Lanlost comment chvt line bellow echo 'fgconsole'
[09:08] <Lanlost> I can still see the screen barely
[09:08] <Seveas> mitrick, by the way, if you are building a lot yourself, apt-get install build-essential
[09:09] <ivoks> Lanlost i know... we will get to that...
[09:09] <mitrick> ill try that
[09:09] <Lanlost> ok
[09:09] <Lanlost> continue
[09:09] <ivoks> Lanlost under chvt line add this line:
[09:09] <ivoks> Lanlost vbetool dpms off
[09:09] <mitrick> build-essential
[09:10] <mitrick> what is in that pkg?
[09:10] <NigelS> mitrick: what was the error with apt-getting gcc?
[09:10] <ivoks> Lanlost add same line under su - $user -c "xscreensaver
[09:10] <Lanlost> and on for the state where the screen is on?
[09:10] <ivoks> Lanlost wait...
[09:10] <ivoks> Lanlost just listen to me, and do what i tell u
[09:10] <Seveas> mitrick, nothing, but it depends on things like gcc, make, manpages-dev, auto(conf|make) etc...
[09:10] <mitrick> i cant paste here or else will be a flood
[09:10] <Lanlost> which xscreensaver line
[09:10] <ivoks> Lanlost both
[09:10] <Seveas> mitrick, apt-cache show build-essential for the details :)
[09:10] <Lanlost> ok
[09:11] <mitrick> build-essential: Depends: gcc (>= 3:3.3) but it is not going to be installed
[09:11] <mitrick>                    Depends: g++ (>= 3:3.3) but it is not going to be installed
[09:11] <mitrick>   kdelibs: Depends: kdelibs-data (>= 4:3.4.0-0ubuntu3.1) but 4:3.4.0-0ubuntu3 is to be installed
[09:11] <ivoks> Lanlost comment all chvt lines
[09:11] <Seveas> mitrick, breezy?
[09:11] <Lanlost> ok continue
[09:11] <ivoks> Lanlost on the end of file add this:
[09:11] <ivoks> grep -q open /proc/acpi/button/lid/*/state
[09:11] <ivoks> if [ $? = 0 ] 
[09:11] <mitrick> that is what i see when i try to install gcc
[09:11] <ivoks> then
[09:11] <ivoks>         vbetool dpms on
[09:11] <ivoks> fi
[09:12] <NigelS> mitrick: are you using breezy?
[09:12] <Seveas> mitrick, are you running hoary or breezy?
[09:12] <Lanlost> ok..
[09:12] <mitrick> what does breezy means?
[09:12] <mitrick> hoary i think
[09:12] <mitrick> i got the kubuntu cd here
[09:12] <mitrick> 5.04
[09:12] <Lanlost> ok
[09:12] <Seveas> mitrick, those are release names, but if you don't know what it means, you run hoary :)
[09:12] <Lanlost> done?
[09:12] <ivoks> Lanlost save the file and try with the lid
[09:12] <mitrick> cuz im a slack user for many years
[09:13] <mitrick> not used to debian at all and how it works
[09:13] <Lanlost> nope
[09:13] <Seveas> mitrick, looks like #kubuntu is indeed broken, or you have missed one command
[09:13] <billytwowilly> Perhaps someone can explain this for me.
[09:13] <Seveas> mitrick, have you run apt-get update?
[09:13] <mitrick> hmm
[09:13] <mitrick> ill try that
[09:13] <ivoks> Lanlost what nope?
[09:13] <NigelS> that error was for installing build-essential - run sudo apt-get update;sudo apt-get install gcc and see why it can;'t install gcc upon which build-essential depends
[09:13] <billytwowilly> So I scp some files over to my back up server. I then run sync on the files and rsync still finds crap to transfer. What's up with that?
[09:13] <Lanlost> doesn't work
[09:14] <Lanlost> screen is still on
[09:14] <Lanlost> I can still see the windows faintly
[09:14] <ivoks> vbetool dpms off?
[09:14] <mitrick> gcc: Depends: gcc-3.3 (>= 1:3.3.5-1) but it is not going to be installed
[09:14] <mitrick>   kdelibs: Depends: kdelibs-data (>= 4:3.4.0-0ubuntu3.1) but 4:3.4.0-0ubuntu3 is to be installed
[09:14] <mitrick> E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution).
[09:14] <ivoks> did u check u have that tool?
[09:14] <Lanlost> vbetool?
[09:14] <ivoks> yes
[09:15] <ivoks> u should have
[09:15] <Lanlost> I have it
[09:15] <ivoks> don't run it :)
[09:15] <ivoks> Lanlost try this then:
[09:15] <arto>  onko ketn joka osaisi neuvoa miten saan skypen toimiin ubuntuuun
[09:15] <mitrick> ou have 1 broken package on your system!
[09:15] <mitrick> Use the "Broken" filter to locate it.
[09:15] <ivoks> sudo vbetool dpms off && sleep 5 && sudo vbetool dpms on
[09:15] <mitrick> i see that when i run synaptic
[09:15] <Seveas> ouch...
[09:15] <NigelS> mitrick: try apt-get -f install as it suggests and see what it thinks it has to do to fix it
[09:16] <epsiliando> Hi!
[09:16] <Lanlost> ok hold ivoks
[09:16] <NigelS> mitrick: have you used dpkg on anything btw? also, out of interest what have you set your repositories to?
[09:16] <Seveas> mitrick, apt-get check can also give more info about the brokenness
[09:16] <Lanlost> ok
[09:16] <Lanlost> that worked fine
[09:16] <Lanlost> I must have screwed something up in the script
[09:16] <mitrick> i fixed the broken
[09:18] <seeker_> I downloaded a package but it's not in the application menu - where can I find it?
[09:18] <seeker_> (I used synaptic)
[09:19] <Number_5> what was the package?
[09:19] <seeker_> iptraf
[09:19] <Cine> ack... new problem
[09:19] <billytwowilly> seeker_: Wherever you downloaded it to. synaptic isn't for installing pacakages you download, it is for accessing repositories.
[09:19] <Seveas> seeker_, you need to run that from a terminal
[09:19] <lunitik> seeker_: iptraf is a cli app afaik
[09:19] <billytwowilly> use dpkg -i as root on the package.
[09:19] <Seveas> billy-420, nonsense...
[09:19] <Lanlost> I dont need to use sudo or anything before the vbetool stuff right?
[09:19] <Seveas> billytwowilly, nonsense
[09:19] <Lanlost> because normally I need it
[09:19] <mitrick> now i got glib prob to configure gaim
[09:19] <Seveas> billytwowilly, synaptic installs it too
[09:19] <mitrick> aahhhh!!
[09:20] <Cine> audacity is have I/O problems... unable to access the I/O layer
[09:20] <Lanlost> I'm assuming no since you have to have root privs to access the file anyway
[09:20] <ivoks> Lanlost ACPI runs as root
[09:20] <mitrick> damn i got build-essential installed
[09:20] <seeker_> synaptic installs the packages as well, doesn't it? anyway, I want to add it to the application menu but I have to give it's location.
[09:20] <Lanlost> what about fi do I need that after EVERY vbetool command?
[09:20] <Cine> error initializing I/O layer
[09:20] <lunitik> mitrick: why you saying 'damn' for that?
[09:20] <ivoks> Lanlost u need fi after every if :)
[09:20] <billytwowilly> Seveas: how? there are no options to tell synaptic where the package is on your system.
[09:21] <Seveas> billytwowilly, synaptic downloads and installs the package
[09:21] <mitrick> i got all here , i cant compile gaim 1.2.1 from source since i cant apt-get install gaim-1.2.1
[09:21] <lunitik> billytwowilly: sure there are... you can set it to use a local repo  :/
[09:21] <Lanlost> oh its the close if statement..
[09:21] <Seveas> billytwowilly, menu entries are defined in the packages, if a package does not contain a menu entry, it will not show up in the menu
[09:21] <Amaranth> lunitik: Good luck creating a repo, dpkg-scansources seems to be broke.
[09:21] <billytwowilly> Seveas: He said he downloaded a package. if it was with firefox it is likely in his Document dir, not easily available to synaptic.
[09:21] <Seveas> seeker_, iptraf needs to be run from a terminal
[09:21] <seeker_> Seveas: you can add a menu entry using the menu editor
[09:21] <lunitik> Amaranth: apt-proxy seems to be fine?
[09:22] <Lanlost> strange thsi should work then...
[09:22] <Amaranth> lunitik: Doesn't help me, I'm just ranting. :P
[09:22] <Lanlost> becuase if I uncomment the screensaver thing it still locsk the screen
[09:22] <ivoks> Lanlost doh.... :
[09:22] <ivoks> grep -q closed /proc/acpi/button/lid/*/state
[09:22] <ivoks> if [ $? = 0 ] 
[09:22] <ivoks> then
[09:22] <ivoks>         . /usr/share/acpi-support/screenblank
[09:22] <Seveas> seeker_, i know, you can find out the location of iptraf by using the command 'which iptraf'
[09:22] <Amaranth> I wanted to create a repository for Smeg.
[09:22] <lunitik> Amaranth: check into apt-proxy... nice if you need a local repo for boxes on your lan etc
[09:23] <seeker_> thx Seveas, it worked
[09:23] <Amaranth> Yeah, apt-proxy isn't what I need.
[09:23] <lunitik> Amaranth: hah... ok
[09:23] <lunitik> wtf is Smeg btw?
[09:24] <lunitik> Amaranth: your own package?
[09:24] <Amaranth> Smeg == Simple Menu Editor for GNOME, that menu editting thing I've been working on :)
[09:25] <Amaranth> I released 0.5 yesterday. :D
[09:25] <ivoks> what's wrong with vim in /usr/share/applications? :)
[09:25] <lunitik> Amaranth: ahh... you got creative?  *g*
[09:25] <Amaranth> ivoks: Do you know how to create a new submenu?
[09:26] <ivoks> Amaranth mkdir?
[09:26] <Amaranth> lunitik: haha, GNOME Menu Editor was taken by Manny
[09:26] <Amaranth> ivoks: No, on the menus.
[09:26] <ivoks> Amaranth under Applications?
[09:26] <Amaranth> ivoks: Are you willing to risk using vim on one of those files and breaking spec causes things to generally fsck up?
[09:26] <Amaranth> ivoks: There, or under any submenu already there.
[09:27] <ivoks> Amaranth vim works ok there
[09:27] <ivoks> or any other editor
[09:27] <lunitik> Amaranth: you have screenies online of your work?
[09:27] <ivoks> they are only text files
[09:27] <Seveas> ivoks, but vim is not for newbies :)
[09:27] <ivoks> Seveas i agree :) they use smeg :)
[09:27] <ivoks> Amaranth NHF :)
[09:28] <ivoks> it's a joke
[09:28] <Amaranth> NHF?
[09:28] <Seveas> no hard feelings
[09:28] <Amaranth> http://www.realistanew.com/projects/smeg
[09:28] <Amaranth> ah
[09:28] <ivoks> Amaranth i don't knoe how to create new submenu under Applications, didn't investigate that
[09:29] <ivoks> Amaranth but submenu under Internet or Games is plain mkdir
[09:29] <Amaranth> ivoks: http://standards.freedesktop.org/menu-spec/menu-spec-1.0.html enjoy
[09:29] <Amaranth> ivoks: No it isn't, that was how it worked in the legacy menu system.
[09:30] <ivoks> Amaranth ok, /usr/share/apps/
[09:30] <ivoks> :)
[09:31] <ivoks> or applnk or whatever :)
[09:31] <Amaranth> ivoks: That's the legacy menu system, not guaranteed to work in the future.
[09:31] <ivoks> i know
[09:31] <ivoks> i manually added couple of items in games
[09:31] <ivoks> did't do any submenu, that's true..
[09:32] <Lanlost> ivoks I copied your script
[09:32] <Lanlost> still doesn't work
[09:32] <ivoks> then u didn't copy it rith
[09:32] <ivoks> right
[09:32] <Lanlost> but your sudo vbetool dpms off && sleep 5 && line worked..
[09:33] <Lanlost> want met o copy it back?
[09:33] <ivoks> Lanlost try to run it: sudo /etc/apci/lid.sh
[09:33] <Lanlost> cannot execute binary file
[09:33] <ivoks> lol
[09:33] <Lanlost> aha..
[09:33] <ivoks> there is ur problem
[09:33] <Lanlost> script f'ed up?
[09:33] <ivoks> ls -dl /etc/acpi/lid.sh
[09:33] <ivoks> ?
[09:34] <arto> eik kukaan kirjoita suomeksi
[09:34] <Lanlost> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 541 2005-05-26 03:31 /etc/acpi/lid.sh
[09:34] <ivoks> Lanlost did u erase she-bang line?
[09:34] <Lanlost> uhm..
[09:34] <ivoks> the one on the begining?
[09:34] <ivoks> #!/bin/sh
[09:34] <ivoks> i didn't paste u whole script, just one part
[09:35] <Lanlost> I know..
[09:35] <Lanlost> I put that below the chvt 12 line
[09:35] <Lanlost> which is commented out
[09:35] <ivoks> uh... send me file over dcc
[09:36] <ivoks> Amaranth anyway, nice job with smeg
[09:37] <Amaranth> thanks
[09:37] <ivoks> try to merge it in gnome official
[09:37] <lunitik> ivoks: more likely gnome-menu-editor gets in...
[09:37] <Number_5> I would ask a question but this is the first linux distro i've had no trouble with whatsoever
[09:38] <lunitik> Number_5: bad thing  :-P
[09:38] <ivoks> lunitik well, gme should be done years ago
[09:38] <Number_5> heh
[09:38] <ivoks> Number_5 me too, everything worked
[09:38] <ivoks> even sleep :)
[09:38] <Lanlost> isn't it encrypted?
[09:38] <Number_5> heh
[09:39] <lunitik> ivoks: true... I still don't get why its being done seperate from the actual menu though..
[09:39] <Number_5> best part is the community of folks out there..lots of straight forward tutorials too
[09:39] <lunitik> ivoks: made more sense that it would be integrated (like gnome 2.8)
[09:39] <Lanlost> ivoks isn't it encrypted?
[09:40] <ivoks> lunitik hehe well, maybe we will lose mouse buttons like they did on Mac, so they are thinking in advance :)
[09:40] <ivoks> Lanlost ?
[09:40] <lunitik> ivoks: why would we lose mouse buttons?
[09:40] <ivoks> ah, never mind, forget it...
[09:40] <lunitik> ivoks: mice seem to be getting more buttons  *shrug*
[09:41] <Lanlost> I asked you a question..
[09:41] <Lanlost> isnt lid.sh encypted?
[09:41] <ivoks> Lanlost encrypted? why would it be crypted?
[09:41] <ivoks> that's a shell script
[09:42] <Lanlost> I sent it to my windows computer to dcc you it and it says its encrypted
[09:42] <Lanlost> I mean.. I opened it and its scrambled "vimcrypt"
[09:42] <Tomcat_> o_O
[09:42] <ivoks> ?!
[09:42] <ivoks> get rid of ur windows
[09:42] <Lanlost> I have to enter a password when I open it in vim too..
[09:43] <ivoks> man, u just wrote lines in that script, how can it be crypted?
[09:43] <Lanlost> "Enter encryption key: "
[09:43] <Lanlost> I entered my root password and it worked..
[09:43] <Lanlost> other wise it wouldn't open
[09:43] <Tomcat_> o_o_O_O
[09:43] <ivoks> how did u send that file to windows?
[09:43] <Lanlost> ftp'ed it =)
[09:44] <ivoks> i don't think so
[09:44] <Lanlost> really..
[09:44] <Lanlost> http://home.columbus.rr.com/lanlost/lid.sh
[09:44] <Lanlost> cough
[09:45] <ivoks> ?
[09:45] <ivoks> enter encryption key
[09:45] <phillipc> how do I restart a particular network interface?
[09:45] <ivoks> this wasn't over ftp
[09:45] <Lanlost> ... yes it was..
[09:46] <Lanlost> thats how I transfered it to my site..
[09:46] <ivoks> phillipc ifdown ethx && ifup ethx
[09:46] <Lanlost> let me disable the encryption
[09:46] <Cine> hrm.... anyone know what Qt is?
[09:46] <Lanlost> :set key= I believe
[09:46] <Lanlost> let me see if it works
[09:46] <ivoks> man
[09:46] <ivoks> 49MB of 4,5GB swap free
[09:47] <ivoks> 13MB of 3GB RAM free
[09:47] <lunitik> ivoks: time to restart... damn dude
[09:47] <Cine> workin' her kinda hard eh ivoks?
[09:47] <Seveas> Cine, Qt is the KDE GUI library
[09:47] <ivoks> lunitik nope... that's normal load :)
[09:47] <ivoks> Cine it's a 60node cluster
[09:47] <lunitik> ivoks: you hosting the internet?  :P
[09:47] <Cine> oh... crap... so I'm trying to install ktoon...  does that mean I can't install it on gnome?
[09:48] <ivoks> lunitik no...
[09:48] <bob2> Cine: no, it doesn't matter
[09:48] <lunitik> Cine: it will kinda of... umm... stand out though
[09:49] <Cine> well I try the qmake command it tells me to use in the installation and I get nuthin'... is there a package I need to install?
[09:49] <bob2> "get nuthin'" is not the error you got
[09:49] <Seveas> Cine, for qt, apt-get install libqt3c102
[09:49] <bob2> do you mean "bash says command not found"?
[09:49] <bob2> Seveas: that won't help either
[09:50] <Cine> yeah bob... that would be it... sorry I wasn't more specific
[09:50] <ivoks> lol
[09:50] <bob2> Cine: then install libqt3-mt-dev
[09:50] <ivoks>  cluster kernel: 6934(lattice23gbig): Arrival rejected due to severe memory shortage.
[09:50] <ivoks> no shit :)
[09:51] <Cine> thanks bob
[09:51] <ivo_> hello every one
[09:51] <ivo_> question?
[09:51] <topyli> ivo_: sorry, i don't have any
[09:51] <lunitik> ivoks: RESTART FUCKER  8-)
[09:51] <Lanlost> I bet thats why the friggen script doesnt work
[09:51] <ivo_> hehe
[09:51] <Lanlost> its probably because its encrypted..
[09:51] <ivo_> but I do!!
[09:51] <Lanlost> how the hell do I take the encryption off
[09:51] <topyli> great!
[09:52] <ivoks> Lanlost u can tell by cat /etc/acpi/lid.sh
[09:52] <Seveas> ivo_, then ask :)
[09:52] <ivoks> Lanlost how did u managed to create crpted file?! :)
[09:52] <ivo_> but, can you set in ubuntu that when you type, youre mouse doesn't work
[09:52] <bob2> ivo_: not easily
[09:52] <ivo_> because i have a laptop, and when you type, you touch the mousepad
[09:52] <ivo_> mm,
[09:53] <ivoks> ivo_ lol
[09:53] <ivoks> concentrate better on not touching touchpad :)
[09:53] <Tomcat_> [09:52:20]  [ivoks]  Lanlost how did u managed to create crpted file?! :) <--- Some things in Ubuntu "just work" :-D
[09:53] <topyli> ivo_: how would it know you've stopped typing and not just slow :)
[09:53] <Lanlost> doesn't anyone use vim?
[09:53] <ivo_> with a times
[09:53] <ivo_> timer
[09:53] <cef> eleusis: blah
[09:53] <ivoks> Lanlost i do
[09:54] <Lanlost> omfg
[09:54] <topyli> Lanlost: everybody does sometimes
[09:54] <Lanlost> I fixed it
[09:54] <Lanlost> :set key=
[09:54] <Lanlost> then :w :q
[09:54] <ivo_> but, you say, it's not really possible at the moment
[09:54] <Lanlost> opened it again it asked for a new key.. I hit nothing and it said "Decrypted"
[09:54] <eleusis> :)
[09:54] <bob2> ivo_: best to ask on the user list
[09:54] <Lanlost> but it still tries to get me to encrypt every shell script when I open it
[09:54] <Lanlost> including this one still
[09:54] <ivoks> Lanlost u were playing with ur .vim*
[09:55] <paladin2> ubuntu linux newbey
[09:55] <paladin2> need help connect to internet
[09:55] <ivoks> paladin2 no such dicks here
[09:55] <paladin2> can anyone help?
[09:55] <Lanlost> hey ivoks...
[09:55] <ivoks> :)
[09:55] <lunitik> paladin2: wireless?
[09:55] <paladin2> nope
[09:55] <eleusis> paladin2: you are on the internet..
[09:55] <Lanlost> did you tell me to just run /etc/acpi/lid.sh?
[09:55] <lunitik> paladin2: damn... you suck
[09:55] <ivoks> Lanlost ?
[09:55] <ivoks> yeah... can u?
[09:55] <Lanlost> I get open /dev/mem: Permission denied three times
[09:55] <Lanlost> and thats it
[09:55] <bob2> ivoks: language, please
[09:55] <paladin2> not on my linux machine numskull
[09:55] <ivo_> and who has the hibernate function working?
[09:55] <topyli> hehe
[09:55] <ivoks> Lanlost that's great
[09:56] <bob2> lunitik: please read the code of conduct
[09:56] <ivoks> ivo_ i do
[09:56] <bob2> ivo_: lots of people, wiki.ubuntu.com/PMTesting
[09:56] <Lanlost> it is?
[09:56] <lunitik> paladin2: ahh... trying to share a connection via Linux box?
[09:56] <paladin2> yeah, reda the code of code of conduct
[09:56] <ivo_> when I do hibernate, it's perfectly go's off, but then when I restart i get the half of the screen
[09:56] <lunitik> bob2: I was being sarcastic... pretty sure COC allows for that?
[09:56] <Lanlost> uhm..
[09:56] <topyli> paladin2: so how do you plan to connect? wireless sucks a little more than ethernet
[09:56] <ivoks> Lanlost yeah, try with sudo, souldn't happend anything
[09:57] <cef> is it just me, or has cd writing just gone to hell since about 2.6.7?
[09:57] <ivoks> cef ? :)
[09:57] <Lanlost> ok screen turned off and on fast
[09:57] <Lanlost> when i sudoed it
[09:57] <eleusis> cef: hmm, has it? i'm still on 2.6.7..
[09:57] <ivoks> cef CD burning finally works
[09:57] <ivoks> Lanlost now try with lid
[09:57] <Lanlost> it works
[09:57] <cef> ivoks: I can't seem to burn audio cd's anymore
[09:57] <Lanlost> but it locks the screen too..
[09:57] <ivo_> i'm back
[09:57] <Lanlost> only when I close the lid
[09:57] <ivo_> but
[09:57] <Lanlost> if I type that in manually it doesnt
[09:58] <cef> ivoks: in either debian or ubuntu (hoary)
[09:58] <ivoks> Lanlost comment all xscreensaver lines
[09:58] <ivo_> does anybody know the problem i just say?
[09:58] <ivoks> cef didn't try... let's see...
[09:58] <cef> well, let me state that a bit better: I can burn cd's.. they're just stuffed
[09:58] <Lanlost> they are..
[09:58] <ivo_> what was the wiki page for hibernate?? you just entered here?
[09:58] <Lanlost> they don't even exist anymore
[09:58] <Lanlost> wouldn't that do that when I ran the script then also though?
[09:58] <bob2> ivo_: wiki.ubuntu.com/PMTesting
[09:58] <ivo_> thanks
[09:59] <Lanlost> now that the script is decrypted let me send you it =P
[10:00] <Lanlost> ok it works now
[10:00] <Lanlost> http://home.columbus.rr.com/lanlost/lid.sh
[10:00] <ivo_> but in this wiki page they work with kernel 2.6.9
[10:00] <ivo_> sow 2.6.10-5 should do it
[10:00] <Cine> new problem.... *** No rule to make target `/usr/share/qt3/lib/libqt.prl', needed by `Makefile'.  Stop.
[10:00] <guru_> Hi, is there any problems with totem in Hoary?
[10:01] <ivo_> it almost does it
[10:01] <lunitik> guru_: with relation to what?
[10:01] <ivo_> guru_, i don't know, i doesn't work with me either
[10:01] <Cine> I installed the qtlib-perl
[10:01] <Cine> didn't fix it
[10:01] <guru_> playing videos, VCDs
[10:01] <lunitik> guru_: you generally want totem-xine for useful codecs (couples with w32codecs from wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[10:02] <Lanlost> ok it locks screen now but I can enter password and use it now..
[10:02] <Lanlost> but I still don't get why it does that
[10:02] <Lanlost> it doens't lock it when I run the sceip
[10:02] <ivoks> cef there... burning AudioCD
[10:03] <Lanlost> script.. only when I close the monitor.
[10:03] <ivoks> cef from mp3 to cd audio
[10:03] <Cine> *** No rule to make target `/usr/share/qt3/lib/libqt.prl', needed by `Makefile'.  Stop.   this is the error i get after the "make" command
[10:03] <ivoks> Lanlost :))
[10:03] <Lanlost> did you look at that ivoks
[10:03] <ivoks> Lanlost comment/usr/share/acpi-support/screenblank
[10:03] <guru_> lunitik, am installing it
[10:04] <guru_> lunitik, thanks for help
[10:04] <Lanlost> ok..
[10:05] <phillipc> I have a network interface that has its module loaded, but is not recognized as a wireless card with iwconfig. Is there some service or command I should run to create the appropriate net files/links?
[10:05] <Lanlost> ok that worked
[10:05] <phillipc> (it's not recognized at all in iwconfig)
[10:05] <Lanlost> odd..
[10:06] <Lanlost> well thanks
[10:06] <Lanlost> I learned a lot of common sense stuff
[10:06] <Lanlost> haha
[10:06] <ivoks> what's odd?
[10:06] <lunitik> guru_: you will still need the codecs as stated on that site for useful codecs... but they play nicer with xine than gstreamer
[10:06] <ivoks> phillipc is that net interface wireless card?
[10:07] <phillipc> ivoks: yes. it exists as eth0 under the stock ubuntu kernel. I compiled my own kernel with the same config, and th emodule is loaded, but there is no eth0
[10:07] <Lanlost> its odd thats it was the screenblank line
[10:07] <Lanlost> you never told me to comment it before
[10:07] <ivoks> phillipc dmesg | grep eth0
[10:07] <Lanlost> or maybe you did who knows it works thanks
[10:07] <ivoks> Lanlost i use screensaver
[10:08] <phillipc> ivoks: ha, nice... there's an error there, I will look into it. thanks
[10:08] <ivoks> so i forgot about it
[10:08] <ivoks> phillipc wait
[10:08] <cef> ivoks: yeah going from audio cd to audio cd seems broken
[10:08] <Lanlost> haha thanks ivoks
[10:08] <ivoks> phillipc lspci | grep Ethernet
[10:08] <ivoks> phillipc lspci | grep Netowk
[10:08] <ivoks> paste outputs here
[10:09] <ivoks> cef try this: create audio CD from mp3, and then copy that audio cd to another audio CD
[10:09] <ivoks> cef u will see it works
[10:09] <cef> ivoks: yeah but that's lossy
[10:09] <ivoks> cef a lot of audio CDs have protection now and can't be copyed
[10:09] <ivoks> cef i have couple of CDs like that
[10:10] <cef> ivoks: I know this one hasn't, since I mastered the damn thing in the first place
[10:10] <eleusis> :)
[10:10] <ivoks> cef u can start xmms and for output choose disk writer so it won't be loosy :)
[10:10] <phillipc> ivoks: I'm on another machien so I can't paste. lspci | grep network => Intel Corp Pro Wireless 2100
[10:10] <ivoks> phillipc ok, and Ethernet?
[10:11] <phillipc> ivoks: Intel 82801BD. That is recognized as eth1
[10:11] <ivoks> phillipc wifi card is eth0 and ethernet is eth1? very strange
[10:12] <Cine> what is the diff between binaries and source?
[10:12] <ivoks> ?
[10:12] <ivoks> they are so different, like u compare cow and butter
[10:12] <Cine> lol
[10:12] <Burgundavia> Cine, binaries are compiled source
[10:12] <Cine> ah IC...
[10:12] <Choubaka> :)
[10:12] <lauren_> Could it be that the source is the bricks, and the binary is the building ?
[10:13] <ivoks> now it goes "what is compiled?"
[10:13] <donjohnson> ok all got configppp ok on warty live cd, how do I connect please
[10:13] <Burgundavia> source is also the plan for the building
[10:13] <lauren_> good point
[10:13] <Cine> so I can get the binaries for ktoon.... since I can't seem to get them to compile on my own... how do I install them?
[10:13] <lunitik> lauren_: thats a strange... but kinda legit metaphore
[10:13] <lunitik> metaphor>
[10:13] <Choubaka> source is written instructions for the compiler to generate machine code than the processor can execute... or something.
[10:13] <lauren_> better than semiphore!
[10:13] <ivoks> what is compiler?
[10:13] <ivoks> what is machine code?
[10:14] <lunitik> Choubaka: haha @ or something
[10:14] <ivoks> what is processor? :)
[10:14] <Choubaka> ivoks: technical terms.
[10:14] <lauren_> a processor takes in 1's and 0's and makes pr0n
[10:14] <Cine> lol... don't mock me... :'(
[10:14] <Seveas> pr0ncessor...
[10:14] <Choubaka> :D
[10:14] <lauren_> Dual Core no less
[10:15] <Choubaka> so it can take two bits at once!
[10:15] <donjohnson> i got pppconfig done, can someone tell me how to actually connect net now tnx
[10:15] <Tomcat_> donjohnson: pon? :o
[10:15] <lauren_> the 64 bits are a little scary!
[10:15] <ivoks> donjohnson pon
[10:15] <donjohnson> where?
[10:15] <donjohnson> root
[10:15] <Cine> well what do I do with these binaries that I've d/l?
[10:15] <ivoks> donjohnson write it on the paper
[10:15] <lauren_> I wonder if it qualifies as naughty bits
[10:15] <Tomcat_> donjohnson: As root, then call "plog" to see what happened.
[10:16] <Seveas> sticky bits perhaps...
[10:16] <donjohnson> ok tnx
[10:16] <Choubaka> Cine: what kind of a file did you download?
[10:16] <Choubaka> .deb?
[10:16] <lauren_> well time to make the D'Oh, nuts
[10:16] <ivoks> cef well, i'm listening to freshly burned CD
[10:16] <Cine> um... its a tarball... with 3 folders in it
[10:16] <Cine> bin, lib, and src
[10:16] <Choubaka> ok :|
[10:17] <Choubaka> evil tarball
[10:17] <Cine> supposedly I've d/l the binaries for the program I was trying to compile earlier
[10:17] <Choubaka> Cine: unpack it under /opt
[10:17] <Choubaka> create that dir if you do not have it already.
[10:18] <Proxi> hi there
[10:18] <Fackamato> ok
[10:18] <Cine> crap... gotta be root... whats the command to unpack?  or can I get to root from the GUI?
[10:18] <cef> ivoks: interestingly enough. I put one of the cd's into another player, and it works there, but doesnt work in my laptop.. the other cd's I burned had annoying regular buzzing every second
[10:18] <Choubaka> /opt is the directory for installing external binaries.
[10:18] <lunitik> Someone wanna help paladin2 with DSL configuration... I don't have DSL... /msg him
[10:19] <Choubaka> Cine: sudo tar xvzf file.tar.gz
[10:19] <cef> ivoks: sounded like it tried to burn audio as data
[10:19] <lunitik> Choubaka: or /usr/local/bin ...
[10:19] <Choubaka> lunitik: not for binaries.
[10:19] <Cine> do I tack /opt onto the end of that line?
[10:19] <Choubaka> they're a pain to remove.
[10:19] <Choubaka> Cine: no
[10:19] <lunitik> Choubaka: */bin is not for binary?
[10:19] <Choubaka> change to the /opt/ dir first
[10:19] <ivoks> cef well, i'm cluless, it works for me :)
[10:19] <Cine> oh, gotcha
[10:20] <Choubaka> lunitik: I mean, it's not clean to unpack random tar files to /usr/local/
[10:20] <Lanlost> nice vnc personal edition is nice I can resize the vnc window to 320x240 and it still shows full screen
[10:20] <lunitik> Choubaka: that is the recommend place, actually...
[10:20] <Lanlost> too bad its windows only..
[10:20] <lunitik> Choubaka: /usr/local/bin
[10:20] <Choubaka> lunitik: but that tar installs libs as well
[10:20] <lunitik> Choubaka: /usr/local/* is the only place on the FS that apt/dpkg ignores
[10:21] <lunitik> Choubaka: which can go in /usr/local/lib  :/
[10:21] <Choubaka> lunitik: stuff is difficult to remove if you put it in /usr/local/ :P
[10:21] <Cine> um.... only problem is the tarball isn't already in theat directory
[10:21] <Choubaka> Cine: it doesn't need to be.
[10:21] <lunitik> Choubaka: hopefully, things there don't touch elsewhere in the system...
[10:21] <Choubaka> just you.
[10:22] <lunitik> Choubaka: else, yeah... that would be bad   :-P
[10:22] <lunitik> Choubaka: source packages (tar.gz extracted) should always be in /usr/local though
[10:22] <Choubaka> I'll rather put a program into /opt/progname/* and symlink those to /usr/local/ if necessary.
[10:23] <Choubaka> lunitik: That's true
[10:23] <Burgundavia> zomg, how not to do a menu --> http://www.flexbeta.net/gsurface/lh5048/all_programs.gif
[10:23] <Choubaka> but this stuff is binary :)
[10:23] <lunitik> Choubaka: Debian isn't a huge fan of /opt ... :-P
[10:23] <lunitik> Choubaka: bah... binary... but no .deb?
[10:24] <Choubaka> yeah.
[10:24] <lunitik> Burgundavia: hahahhaha... that better be some fool fucking with concepts...
[10:24] <Burgundavia> lunitik, nah, is a really longhorn build
[10:24] <Cine> ok, got it unpacked
[10:24] <lunitik> Burgundavia: unfortunatly it looks like it could be a Longhorn beta screenshot  :/
[10:25] <lunitik> Burgundavia: wow
[10:25] <Seveas> hmm, mono 1.1.6 just hit breezy, /me is now very tempted to switch :)
[10:25] <Choubaka> wtf.
[10:25] <Burgundavia> lunitik, http://www.flexbeta.net/main/comments.php?catid=1&shownews=12884
[10:25] <Choubaka> Kill Longhorn devs now.
[10:25] <Burgundavia> scrollbars in a menu
[10:25] <Burgundavia> ouch
[10:25] <Choubaka> and replace them with better trained monkeys!
[10:25] <Cine> next step is?
[10:26] <pupe> Hi!
[10:26] <Cine> oh... just double click on the damn thing
[10:26] <Cine> jeezus
[10:26] <eleusis> :P
[10:26] <Cine> finally
[10:26] <pupe> Alguien habla espaol?
[10:26] <Cine> been workin' on this damn thing for 2 days
[10:26] <Cine> thanks for the help
[10:26] <pupe> Alguien habla espaol?
[10:26] <Choubaka> no.
[10:26] <Choubaka> pupe: #ubuntu-es ?
[10:26] <Seveas> pupe, #ubuntu-es
[10:27] <pupe> thx!!
[10:27] <lunitik> Burgundavia: imo, those look fake... hopefully they are... else they are going in a bad direction
[10:27] <Seveas> Choubaka, damn you :p
[10:27] <Burgundavia> lunitik, I hope they are fake as well, but I doubt it
[10:27] <Choubaka> ooh, transparency :|
[10:27] <Burgundavia> lunitik, 5048 is an official build number for longhorn
[10:27] <Choubaka> I'd like transparency too :(
[10:27] <lunitik> Burgundavia: thats a shame
[10:28] <lunitik> Burgundavia: they are fucking p
[10:28] <lunitik> up*
[10:28] <Burgundavia> indeed
[10:28] <tseng> who cares
[10:28] <Burgundavia> I see nothing there that would convince to jump back to windows
[10:28] <Burgundavia> tseng, "know your enemy"
[10:28] <lunitik> Burgundavia: I used about 4080* ... was ok... those look bad though...
[10:28] <ivoks> tseng we care :)
[10:28] <tseng> Burgundavia: we dont have an enemy.
[10:28] <lunitik> Burgundavia: just general idea... they seem to have neglected how people thing
[10:28] <lunitik> think*
[10:28] <Burgundavia> tseng, twas a joke
[10:28] <eleusis> what's fake?
[10:29] <Choubaka> I think most people will swallow that kind of shit too.
[10:29] <eleusis> oh
[10:29] <Burgundavia> longhorn screenshots
[10:29] <spiral> hi
[10:29] <lunitik> tseng: you define 'enemy' diffrently from 'competition'?
[10:29] <eleusis> haha
[10:29] <eleusis> scrollbar in menu
[10:29] <tseng> lunitik: i dont see any competition for ubuntu either
[10:29] <eleusis> not a bad idea, imo
[10:29] <ivoks> why do u care so much about microsoft?
[10:29] <eleusis> in some restricted cases
[10:30] <ivoks> live and let them live
[10:30] <lunitik> eleusis: not just that... seems main menu is that scroll bar
[10:30] <lunitik> tseng: then you are blind
[10:30] <Burgundavia> ivoks, I don't really care, but it is nice to see how other people are thinking about the same things
[10:30] <zeedo> Burgundavia: they are definitely not fake
[10:30] <tseng> lunitik: hah.
[10:30] <Burgundavia> lunitik, hey, that was unUbuntu
[10:30] <eleusis> lunitik: pardon?
[10:30] <carambol> whats happening with the server of the backports???
[10:31] <lunitik> eleusis: the items I see under the scroll bar there are main menu items...
[10:31] <cef> interesting.. the gnome cd player seems broken in my hoary setup
[10:31] <eleusis> Start menu, you mean..
[10:31] <Seveas> cef, describe broken
[10:31] <lunitik> tseng, Burgundavia: every Linux distro, and any OS directed at the desktop is competition to Ubuntu.
[10:32] <tseng> lunitik: no, its not
[10:32] <cef> Seveas: refuses to play audio cd's.. cdplay from cdtools works fine
[10:32] <lunitik> tseng: how you figure?
[10:32] <cef> Seveas: press play, it "tries" and then falls back to stopped
[10:32] <tseng> i figure, we arent competeing with anyone
[10:32] <eleusis> :)
[10:33] <tseng> we are making our own product
[10:33] <lunitik> tseng: if Ubuntu wasn't competing... it would be a bad product...
[10:33] <tseng> sharing good parts with other distros
[10:33] <cef> ahh this could be why: when run from a command line: ** (gnome-cd:17232): WARNING **: Could not open resource for writing.
[10:33] <tseng> give and take
[10:33] <eleusis> it's still competition
[10:33] <tseng> its gpl, dudes
[10:33] <lunitik> tseng: competition drives inovation
[10:33] <eleusis> and lack of competition doesn't make a bad product - complacency does
[10:34] <Choubaka> innovation3dodnf ajknfnqifwiebf
[10:34] <Seveas> lunitik, Ubuntu and all other GNU/Linux variants are competing with windows/macOS :)
[10:34] <tseng> kjfhfakjhrdeawjzomgwtflol
[10:34] <lunitik> eleusis: complacency is generally a direct relation to lack of competition
[10:34] <Choubaka> stop using a word that means nothing.
[10:34] <Seveas> tseng, your keyboard seems to be malfunctioning :)
[10:34] <eleusis> lunitik: um, no
[10:34] <tseng> i was venting rage
[10:34] <lunitik> Seveas: I disagree... every Linux distro is first competing with the rest... THEN with other OS's
[10:35] <cef> blah.. gnome-cd requires you to use the sound server *sigh*
[10:35] <lunitik> eleusis: I can state examples that support my point... can you?
[10:35] <eleusis> can you exhaustively prove your point? :P
[10:36] <eleusis> examples are just points, they don't cover the whole domain ;)
[10:36] <lunitik> eleusis: XP sucked.. because at that time, Microsoft saw no clear competition... now... they are competing with Apple and Linux... and they are forced to clearly make their product better.
[10:36] <eleusis> XP didn't suck..
[10:36] <lunitik> eleusis: yes.... it really does
[10:36] <eleusis> how so?
[10:36] <Choubaka> compared to windows products, no.
[10:37] <Choubaka> compared to what I like to use, hell yes.
[10:37] <lunitik> eleusis: other than a pretty interface... there was NO innovation with XP
[10:37] <Seveas> lunitik, not true...
[10:37] <Choubaka> compared to several other things, probably.
[10:37] <eleusis> hahaha
[10:37] <scizzo> ummm...a big competition today is security
[10:37] <eleusis> you need to read a book about OS design ;)
[10:37] <lunitik> Seveas: state an example that wasn't true of 2000...
[10:37] <Choubaka> lunitik: there was no aklsjdfj in xp?
[10:38] <scizzo> eleusis: you need to open your eyes and read about problems people have had
[10:38] <lunitik> Seveas: 3 years of NO innovation?
[10:38] <Seveas> lunitik, their attempt at a firewall and security center. The concept is nice
[10:38] <Seveas> just 1 example...
[10:38] <eleusis> scizzo: ?
[10:38] <Seveas> lunitik, the wireless network framework
[10:39] <lunitik> Seveas: I hardly classify that as innovation... they just took something from 2000 server... crippled it, and brough it to the desktop offering
[10:39] <Choubaka> eleusis: WinXP is still pretty much unusable as a normal uset.
[10:39] <Seveas> and there are more
[10:39] <eleusis> Choubaka: so?
[10:39] <Seveas> but i still hate windows
[10:39] <Choubaka> Though Win NT has a lot of good security features, they're all wasted.
[10:39] <lunitik> Seveas: none-gui related... name one
[10:39] <Seveas> had to set up a pc with XP this week, including some programs
[10:39] <Choubaka> because of bad design.
[10:39] <scizzo> eleusis: look...many people today...AFAIK does only want win because they think they know it....however the problem comes with security when the kernel has over 2xxxxxx open backdoors
[10:39] <Seveas> took me a whole day :S
[10:39] <Choubaka> eleusis: you don't USE a computer system as administrator.
[10:39] <Seveas> with ubuntu and comparable programs it would've taken less than a few hours
[10:39] <Choubaka> you USE it as user. :)
[10:40] <eleusis> Choubaka: sure you do, why not?
[10:40] <Choubaka> and _admin_ is as administrator.
[10:40] <eleusis> :)
[10:40] <Choubaka> it*
[10:40] <Choubaka> eleusis: no you don't.
[10:40] <eleusis> scizzo: um, ok..
[10:40] <Choubaka> If you're sane, that is.
[10:40] <lunitik> Choubaka: as an administrator... you also don't care about individual boxes having a firewall ...
[10:40] <ivoks> hehe
[10:40] <ivoks> omg
[10:41] <eleusis> Choubaka: why not?
[10:41] <scizzo> eleusis: The problem is not that people want to change to something better..but because it is the only thing they know...
[10:41] <Choubaka> I mean, there's a reason why "admin" and "user" exist
[10:41] <lunitik> Choubaka: makes your job as admin harder if ever box has there own settings
[10:41] <Choubaka> users use, admin admins.
[10:41] <lunitik> every*
[10:42] <lunitik> Choubaka: hence my argument that XP has no innovation over 2000
[10:42] <Choubaka> eleusis: all the security features are wasted if the computer is used with an account that can do everything regardless of the security settings.
[10:42] <scizzo> eleusis: now...if you look at this also: There was a article like 1 year ago or something that was talking about worms and viruses....Win was the system that was aimed for mostly...and linux has a few of them...Mac OS X had none...at that time
[10:42] <Choubaka> lunitik: that's not really true... they just don't utilise any of the new features because everyone runs as administrator.
[10:43] <lunitik> Choubaka: so far, only example I'm given is Firewall... but bah... users with idividual security settings makes my job harder...   :/
[10:43] <scizzo> eleusis: we are not at my work supporting outlook for example...its the customers problem if they use it...I won't fix the damage it might do
[10:43] <lunitik> Choubaka: Active Directory is hardly innovation... it is a reimplementation of LDAP/eDirectory... which has been around forever
[10:43] <scizzo> eleusis: that they have stoped with security and hopes that a new interface and a few new features will bring people to the OS
[10:44] <Choubaka> lunitik: windows has ACLs and all kinds of cool thingies that supposedly beat the crap out of the traditional unix security model
[10:44] <scizzo> eleusis: instead of putting time on trying to close the backdoors and look at the security issues
[10:44] <lunitik> Choubaka: ACL's are part of LDAP afaik... which again... has been around forever
[10:44] <eleusis> lunitik: my original point was that lack of competition may be a *sufficient* condition for complacency, but not a *necessary* condition for complacency... you do know the difference between sufficient and necessary conditions, yes?
[10:45] <Choubaka> microsoft benefits from security holes.
[10:45] <Choubaka> they bring them profits.
[10:45] <lunitik> eleusis: you are more likely to be complacant if you lack competition
[10:46] <eleusis> lunitik: yes, of course :)
[10:46] <lunitik> eleusis: my point exactly... and to support that... I stated 2000 compared to XP...
[10:46] <eleusis> mhmm
[10:47] <lunitik> 3 years of development... and even in house... it was a minor version number (5.0 -> 5.1 )
[10:47] <eleusis> and you stated that there were no innovations when comparing win2k to winxp?
[10:47] <eleusis> the version number might not be representative of what really changed under the hood :)
[10:47] <ubuask> am i missing something or is it harder / impossible to configure / install an 2.6.11-7 kernel on ubuntu hoary 5.04 than on any other distro ?
[10:47] <ivoks> ubuask ?
[10:48] <ivoks> Linux i8600 2.6.11 #2 Tue Apr 26 02:50:28 CEST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
[10:48] <lunitik> ubuask: afaik... 2.6.11 kernels are broken on hoary, yes
[10:48] <ivoks> ?
[10:48] <lunitik> ivoks: self-compiled?
[10:48] <ivoks> yes
[10:48] <ubuask> lunitik you sure ?
[10:48] <lunitik> ubuask: in breezy.. 2.6.11 is still not considered usable...so yes
[10:48] <ubuask> lunitik cause im starting to belive it :)
[10:49] <ivoks> there is one thing with 2.6.11
[10:49] <ubuask> lunitik kewl thanks , i tought i was retarded
[10:49] <ivoks> it doesn't like gam-server
[10:49] <lunitik> ivoks: you mean gamin?
[10:50] <ivoks> yeah
[10:50] <lunitik> (else, I have no idea what gam-server is)
[10:50] <lunitik> k, cool
[10:50] <ubuask> tho the one i installed with synaptic , 2.6.10-5-amd64-K8 , works fine
[10:50] <ivoks> every time gamin crashes when runed on 2.6.11
[10:50] <lunitik> ubuask: that is latest considered "stable" for breezy)
[10:51] <ivoks> acctually,  kernel BUG at kernel/sched.c:2648!
[10:51] <ubuask> lunitik oh, i tought the latest the best
[10:51] <ivoks> 2.6.11 should be skipped... that kernel is shitfull
[10:52] <Taliesin`> Hi hi, Im running a local Ubuntu mirror here in Australia, however I noticed it's started re-rsyncing everything, now it was previously 75gig, anyone know what the current size of the rsync is (it's still rsync, but only at 30ush%)
[10:52] <ivo_> but in the 2.6.11 kernel hibernating ans standby must be better
[10:53] <ubuask> cant even get it to boot ;)
[10:53] <ivoks> OMG!!!
[10:53] <ivoks> check this out!
[10:53] <lunitik> ubuask: yeah... here... it bitches about VFS ..
[10:53] <ivoks> http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=197645#kb3
[10:53] <ivoks> line:
[10:54] <ubuask> lunitik yep, tho i passed that one
[10:54] <ivoks> Like POP3, the IMAP4 protocol uses port 25
[10:54] <ubuask> lunitik now i get that he cant find dev/console
[10:54] <Choubaka> ivoks: hmm?
[10:55] <lunitik> ivoks: it can use whatever you set... but by default...
[10:55] <ivoks> Choubaka http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=197645#kb3
[10:55] <ivoks> that's their line, not mine :)
[10:56] <Choubaka> Don't take it out of context.
[10:56] <Choubaka> it continues with "(SMTP) to send mail"
[10:56] <ivoks> Like POP3, the IMAP4 protocol uses port 25 (SMTP) to send mail, but an IMAP4 server uses port 143 to listen for mail.
[10:56] <ivoks> pop3 and imap4 dont send mails, man
[10:57] <ivoks> acctually, they DO
[10:57] <ivoks> but note over 25 port
[10:57] <Choubaka> They use the smtp server for that don't they.
[10:57] <ivoks> ?!
[10:57] <ivoks> omg
[10:57] <Choubaka> or well, the client will.
[10:57] <ivoks> pop3 and imap don't have anything to do with STMP
[10:57] <ivoks> smtp
[10:58] <ivoks> u can have system with pop3/imap and without smtp
[10:58] <fragspaz> hey
[10:58] <fragspaz> my computrer is alot more quiter than usual, and cuts out all the time
[10:58] <Choubaka> ivoks: sure :p
[10:58] <fragspaz> i checked the fan, still working
[10:58] <ivoks> i gusee this help only helps citizens of USA :)
[10:58] <fragspaz> but it is extremely quite
[10:59] <ivoks> a lot of typos today, hm... :)
[10:59] <Choubaka> fragspaz: quiet, you mean?
[10:59] <ivoks> Choubaka what sure?
[10:59] <fragspaz> yeah choubaka :p
[10:59] <Choubaka> ivoks: "sure"
[10:59] <fragspaz> it will black out any minute now
[10:59] <Choubaka> what else is there?
[10:59] <ivoks> Choubaka u don't have system with pop3/imap4, but without smtp?
[11:00] <Choubaka> err?
[11:00] <ivoks> why would u need SMTP if all ur users are local?
[11:00] <Choubaka> I don't.
[11:00] <Choubaka> I never said I do,
[11:00] <ivoks> they can use sendmail
[11:01] <ptlo> ivoks: sendmail uses smtp, man .. so you _do_ need smtp. sorry ;p ;-)
[11:01] <ivoks> ptlo check lol
[11:01] <fragspaz> can anyone help me?
[11:01] <ivoks> ptlo sendmail usually uses smtp
[11:01] <ivoks> ptlo but it could work without listening on 25
[11:01] <FeJaOr> Does anybody know if there's any plan or any project to release a 5.10 version of ubuntu??
[11:02] <fragspaz> this is quite serious, seeing as i need this computer alot
[11:02] <ptlo> ivoks: dunno about you, i personally want to _send_ mail from time to time .. that's where smtp kicks in :)
[11:02] <ivoks> ptlo i didn't mean on sendmail as MTA, but on /usr/bin/sendmail
[11:02] <bob2> FeJaOr: of course, that's the next release of ubuntu...
[11:02] <ivoks> ptlo what MTA u use?
[11:02] <fragspaz> i know it isnt a ubuntu related question (i hope not)
[11:02] <ivoks> ptlo postfix?
[11:02] <ptlo> gmail ;-)
[11:03] <Choubaka> ;p
[11:03] <ivoks> ptlo if it's postfix, check out /etc/postfix/master.cf and line wich starts with smtp
[11:03] <ivoks> so...
[11:03] <ptlo> ivoks: all i'm saying that sooner or late you're going to need smtp if you want your mail to get somewhere :)
[11:03] <ivoks> u didn't ever set-up e-mail server?
[11:03] <ptlo> s/late/later
[11:03] <ivoks> ptlo if u have local users wich send mail one to each oter
[11:03] <ivoks> other
[11:03] <ivoks> u don't need smtp daemon
[11:04] <ivoks>  /usr/bin/sendmail is everything u need
[11:04] <Choubaka> :P
[11:04] <ptlo> ivoks: yah. but it SENDS mail using smtp, man!
[11:04] <ptlo> oh, whatever -)
[11:04] <Choubaka> please start using "you"
[11:04] <ivoks> :) no it doesn't
[11:04] <eleusis> :)
[11:04] <ivoks> it uses procmail
[11:05] <ivoks> SMTP is protocol
[11:05] <ivoks> ptlo ajde ne seri, jebote :)
[11:05] <ivoks> znao sam da si ti :)
[11:05] <ptlo> hahahahah :))
[11:05] <ptlo> well ok ;-)
[11:06] <ivoks> postfix mozes sloziti da mailove salje samo putem procmaila, da uopce ne koristi SMTP i ne slusa na portu 25, naravno, samo za lokalne usere
[11:06] <ivoks> but english now...
[11:06] <cusco> Hi! I have an ipod and I was using it fine with gtkpod. Suddenly it wouldn't mount read-write anymore, only read-only. I had left the original HFS+ filesystem on it, and was learning that there is no fsck.hfsplus for Linux that would clear the INCONSISTENT-bit of my HFS+ filesystem. I tryed mounting it with hpmount and tryed to use hpfsck but I always get an error
[11:07] <cusco> the error is: hpmount: /dev/sda3: Invalid key length in record_readkey (Invalid argument)
[11:07] <ivoks> well... bye all
[11:08] <ivoks> i'm going to work out my fingers with americas army :)
[11:12] <jtza8> Did any of you have trouble with upgrading Gnome from Warty to Hoary? Or is it safe for me to apt-get upgrade?
[11:12] <Choubaka> it's safe.
[11:13] <jtza8> Thanks
[11:15] <paulfox>  what mp3 walkmen are reccommended on linux?
[11:16] <snader> anything with usb mass storage support
[11:16] <fragspaz> are there any upgrades i should do on a fresh instal of hoary?
[11:17] <jinx``> apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:17] <jinx``> :D
[11:17] <fragspaz> ok
[11:18] <eskaypey> hey anyone knows where i can get plugin to play mp3s in gnome music player?
[11:19] <pepsi> i installed the ms fonts, but a program that is trying to use "courbd.ttf" says it cant find it
[11:19] <bob2> eskaypey: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats (please read the faq)
[11:19] <ptlo> eskaypey: install gstreamer-plugins package (actually gstreamer-ffmpeg or gstreamer-mad are enough for mp3s)
[11:20] <fragspaz> does itunes work on linux?
[11:20] <fragspaz> is there a linux version?
[11:20] <pepsi> locate says courbd.ttf resides in /usr/share/fonts/truetype/msttcorefonts/
[11:22] <pepsi> do i need to regenerate some kind of list of my fonts or something?
[11:27] <ubuntu> hi
[11:28] <ubuntu> is there a way to upgrade from 4.x to 5.04 without reinstalling the whole system?
[11:28] <ciocanel> dist-upgrade
[11:29] <ubuntu> is that as good as a complete reinstall. i mean unused packages after upgrading etc.
[11:29] <holycow> yes
[11:29] <ubuntu> thx
[11:30] <ubuntu> and how does it work? :)
[11:30] <holycow> just updates every package to the new version
[11:30] <holycow> you change your /etc/apt/source.list file ... change everything in there from warty to hoary
[11:30] <holycow> then do sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:30] <ubuntu> thats all?
[11:30] <ubuntu> thx
[11:31] <ciocanel> ubuntu, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryUpgradeNotes
[11:38] <dee_cz> hi
[11:39] <dee_cz> could you please tell me what is the shortcut to change KB layouts in gnome?
[11:40] <bleezy_> where does apolloinstall 2
[11:43] <dee_cz> oh yea and ubuntu fresh install doesnt see my ntfs drives
[11:43] <engie> Hi. What package do I install to get the kernel module sources? I'm trying to compile a module which requires a modules target in /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-k7/source
[11:46] <Fackamato> engie: have you searched for hte package?
[11:46] <engie> Yep
[11:46] <Fackamato> apt-cache search kernel | grep source
[11:46] <Fackamato> ..
[11:46] <engie> I can't seem to find a linux source package
[11:47] <engie> Arg, linux-source-2.6.11
[11:47] <engie> Why did I not see that before?
[11:47] <Fackamato> hrhr
[11:48] <Fackamato> anyone tried breezy yet?
[11:49] <engie> Unfortunatly that doesn't give me a /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-k7/source directory
[11:50] <Fackamato> uh
[11:50] <Fackamato> /usr/srcf
[11:50] <Fackamato> /usr/src
[11:51] <mishof> you guys, when i minimize a program to the status bar - where can i see it ?? i think i have no status bar. :| (gnome)
[11:52] <mishof> status bar= system tray DOH!
[11:52] <odyssey> mishof, if you dont have one add one
[11:52] <jsgotangco> create a panel and add window list
[11:52] <engie> mishof: Right click on the panel, Add to Panel and add a window list
[11:52] <Fackamato> you can right click the panel and add one
[11:54] <mishof> ah, i dont want the same bar i got on the bottom, i want a system tray (like in azureus, when you close it - its supposed to go to system tray, but it just dissapears)
[11:54] <Lanlost> check this out.. I dont nromally paste anything but this game is 96k http://kk.kema.at/files/gfx/full1.jpg
[11:54] <dee_cz> uhh how can i add a separator to the pannel?
[11:54] <engie> mishof: Add a notification area to teh panel
[11:54] <jsgotangco> 96k?
[11:55] <jsgotangco> more like a 96k jpeg
[11:56] <Fackamato> the whole game is 96k
[11:56] <Taliesin`> is their an ubuntu-mirrors mailing list?
[11:56] <Fackamato> it's like a demo, run it and it decompresses and generates game information.
[11:56] <dee_cz> mmm
[11:57] <dee_cz> i forgot to classify a swap partition when installing
[11:57] <dee_cz> but it does exist already on my disk...how do i see if ubuntu is using it, and how can i mount it if it is not?
[11:58] <Fackamato> mkswap partition
[11:58] <Fackamato> edit fstab to add the proper entry, google on this one
[11:59] <Fackamato> then swapon partiion
[11:59] <dee_cz> ok thankyou
[12:00] <dee_cz> eeem guys does unbuntu create a default root account?
[12:00] <scizzo> dee_cz: no
[12:00] <scizzo> dee_cz: well yes..
[12:01] <scizzo> dee_cz: but it has no password
[12:01] <dee_cz> aha!
[12:01] <scizzo> dee_cz: you use sudo
[12:01] <dee_cz> uh huh?
[12:01] <scizzo> dee_cz: sudo apt-get install something
[12:01] <scizzo> dee_cz: that will ask for a password
[12:01] <scizzo> the password is the password that the account is using
[12:01] <dee_cz> ok
[12:01] <scizzo> for the account that was first created
[12:02] <dee_cz> oh ok
[12:02] <dee_cz> one more thing, is there any program that could show me the existing partitions?
[12:03] <dockane> ive just testet my epson perfection 3200 (in us its the gt 9800) with xsane. the transperency unit does not get recognized. i activated it and selected "find scan area automatically" but all it does is a _full area scan including the the mask for the dia images. help please
[12:04] <scizzo> dee_cz: there are a few yes
[12:04] <dee_cz> scizzo, which one should i use if im a beginner?
[12:04] <dockane> btw sane-project.org database says the device is fully supported
[12:05] <nydust> where do i get the java jdk? I do only find JRE and SDK...
[12:05] <scizzo> dee_cz: gparted?
[12:06] <scizzo> dee_cz: if the partitions are mounted you can see them with df -h
[12:06] <scizzo> dee_cz: you can also use sudo cfdisk /dev/hdx depending on the disk
[12:06] <engie> dee_cz: typing mount is good too
[12:07] <nydust> where do i get javadoc?
[12:07] <dee_cz> engie, i have nothing mounted yet
[12:07] <dee_cz> still havent figured it out
[12:11] <oppilif> hi is there any filesharing program for kubuntu amd64???????????
[12:12] <oppilif> is there any filesharing program for kubuntu amd64??????????
[12:12] <oppilif> is there any filesharing program for kubuntu amd64??????????
[12:12] <oppilif> is there any filesharing program for kubuntu amd64??????????is there any filesharing program for kubuntu amd64??????????
[12:12] <oppilif> is there any filesharing program for kubuntu amd64??????????
[12:12] <oppilif> is there any filesharing program for kubuntu amd64??????????
[12:12] <oppilif> is there any filesharing program for kubuntu amd64??????????
[12:12] <HrdwrBoB> oppilif: ask one.
[12:12] <HrdwrBoB> once.
[12:13] <snader> sigh
[12:13] <odyssey> snader?
[12:13] <oppilif> a ok
[12:13] <snader> odyssey: yes?
[12:14] <odyssey> sighing?
[12:14] <oppilif> so HrdwrBoB do you know any
[12:14] <snader> oh, just at the flooding ;-)
[12:15] <HrdwrBoB> oppilif: if you want to transfer files yes if you want me to facilitate copyright infringment, no
[12:15] <dee_cz> i have a file ending .deb, is that a package for ubuntu as well?
[12:15] <HrdwrBoB> dee_cz: it may work
[12:15] <dee_cz> how do i install it?
[12:15] <HrdwrBoB> dee_cz: it means it's a deb package format file
[12:16] <HrdwrBoB> dpkg -i file.deb
[12:17] <oppilif> HrdwrBoB : gust tell me one then works with kubuntu amd64
[12:21] <jalapeno> Hey, anyone here running Hoary on a Macintosh?
[12:21] <Seveas> oppilif, just search in synaptic
[12:21] <davegahan> can someone explain me how I can configure the Gnome Application menu - I tried menueditor but it seems buggy
[12:22] <whiteknight> jalapeno, i'm running breezy on an ibook
[12:22] <jalapeno> whiteknight: how do you go with USB storage devices? I have a lot of trouble with "I/O errors".
[12:23] <Seveas> davegahan: you can find out more about gnome 2.10 (hoary) menu editing on http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GnomeMenuEditingHowTo
[12:23] <ikaro> mojn
[12:23] <Airo> jalapeno, I am
[12:23] <davegahan> thanks i'll check
[12:23] <Airo> dunno bout usb tho
[12:23] <whiteknight> jalapeno, sorry, don't have any... but all my other usb works well
[12:23] <whiteknight> jalapeno, what is your mac?
[12:24] <Airo> jalapeno, did it the normal way? scsi general, usb mass storage etc modules?
[12:24] <jalapeno> My USB mouse works great, my Palm works OK, but Thumb drives & cameras have lots of problems.
[12:24] <whiteknight> jalapeno, one sec, i'll check my digital camera
[12:24] <jalapeno> My mac is a Powerbook G3 Pismo
[12:27] <whiteknight> jalapeno, strange it doesn't automount my camera, which i guess acts like a usb disk
[12:27] <jalapeno> I'm running kernel 2.6.10-5-powerpc, Debian 1:3.3.5-8ubuntu2
[12:27] <jalapeno> whiteknight: When I plug my camera in, it recognises it and automounts it. But when I try to really use it, I get wierd SCSI errors in my log file.
[12:28] <jalapeno> whiteknight: it works for a little while, but soon stops with errors.
[12:28] <jalapeno> I'm just poking around here to see if I'm special, or if it happens for other people too.
[12:29] <whiteknight> jalapeno, well i'm sorry can't help you as mine doesn't even mount... (damn another thing to sort out!)
[12:29] <Airo> Maybe you don't have scsi general?
[12:29] <jalapeno> whiteknight: some cameras don't come up as USB mass-storage.
[12:29] <Airo> If it gives scsi errors
[12:29] <whiteknight> jalapeno, it used to...
[12:29] <dee_cz> ok
[12:30] <dee_cz> so how do i set the root password
[12:30] <Fackamato> rtfm
[12:30] <jalapeno> I'll just go get my thumbdrive...
[12:32] <mvirkkil> What package has the man pages for stuff like strcmp etc?
[12:33] <davegahan> alright, then I'll wait until gnome 2.12 arrives if i can't manage
[12:33] <scizzo> Fackamato: wow...that is not how you talk to people in here
[12:34] <jalapeno> OK, I plug in the thumb drive, it registers USB mass storage, it connects scsi removable disk sda, and it pops up on the desktop.
[12:34] <jalapeno> When I try to use it...
[12:34] <mlh_> mvirkkil, i presume you tried 'man strcmp' ?
[12:34] <mvirkkil> mlh_: Yes.
[12:35] <jalapeno> (I'm pretty sure it worked well with some previous kernel version...)
[12:35] <mvirkkil> mlh_: What package contains those man pages?
[12:35] <Fackamato> scizzo: sorry, I meant RTM.
[12:35] <scizzo> Fackamato: why not just say http://www.ubuntuguide.org/ ?
[12:36] <petemc> mvirkkil: manpages-dev
[12:36] <mvirkkil> petemc: Thanks.
[12:36] <mark> hi, could someone help?  Xorg seems to be eating memory (50%) and X is freezing as a result, running hoary, any ideas?
[12:36] <jalapeno> scizzo: see http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/root
[12:37] <mvirkkil> petemc: I don't remember ever having to install them manually under debian.
[12:37] <scizzo> jalapeno: I know how to change it
[12:37] <petemc> mvirkkil: nor i
[12:37] <scizzo> jalapeno: did you look at the guide?
[12:37] <mvirkkil> petemc: I guess they changed some deps in ubuntu or something.
[12:38] <jalapeno> scizzo: you asked how to set it. That page says how to set it.
[12:38] <engie> mark: Have you got a nvidia graphics card?
[12:38] <ljmounb> hello
[12:39] <mark> engie, nope, radeon mobility
[12:40] <engie> mark: ahh. Well, I guess recommending you try teh full fat nvidia drivers will be < helpful...
[12:42] <jalapeno> OK, usb mass storage problems. All I had to do was copy a file to the thumb drive... then I got a few errors:
[12:42] <jalapeno>  usb 2-1: reset full speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 2
[12:42] <scizzo> jalapeno: no I didn't
[12:43] <scizzo> jalapeno: scroll back and look again
[12:43] <jalapeno>  scsi: Device offlined - not ready after error recovery: host 0 channel 0 id 0 lun 0
[12:44] <jalapeno> : lost page write due to I/O error on sda1
[12:44] <KeO> Hello all !
[12:44] <keomj> Hello all !
[12:45] <keomj> Someone can help me ?
[12:45] <Seveas> keomj, most unlikelt if you don't say what you need help with :)
[12:45] <jalapeno> scizzo: sorry, it was dee_cz
[12:46] <keomj> Seveas, lol ok, i want to make a dvd
[12:46] <keomj> a dvd video
[12:46] <keomj> from my camera
[12:47] <keomj> i want to export the video from my camera to a mpeg2 file
[12:48] <keomj> so ... ?
[12:48] <keomj> :)
[12:48] <Seveas> keomj, that touches a lot of things, it think too much for asking in IRC, maybe you should post on the forum or ask in the mailinglist. There you can get much more elaborate answers
[12:48] <Seveas> i for sure can not help you, sorry
[12:50] <hypno> keomj: kino is a video editor
[12:51] <mark> engie, hehe, i guess you're right
[12:55] <davegahan> how can I remove games and some systemfonts without having to remove ubuntu desktop ?
[12:55] <CarlK> keomj - http://www.transcoding.org/cgi-bin/transcode?DVtoDVD
[12:56] <keomj> hybrid, i know kino, but he only allow to capture dv into a dv file, but i want to capture it into a mpg2 file
[12:56] <mishof> Q: How can i add prolog syntax highlighting in gedit ? :( :(
[12:56] <petemc> tried cinelarra?
[12:56] <petemc> keomj: ^^
[12:56] <keomj> cinelarra ?
[12:56] <petemc> yes
[12:56] <mishof> or cant i?
[12:57] <keomj> what is it ? i don't know it
[12:57] <sjoerd> keomj: kino can export to mpeg2 if you install some tools
[12:57] <Taliesin`> Hi hi, Im running a local Ubuntu mirror here in Australia, however I noticed it's started re-rsyncing everything, now it was previously 75gig, anyone know what the current size of the rsync is (it's still rsync, but only at 30ush%)
[12:58] <keomj> sjoerd, yes but i want to capture directly to mpeg2
[12:58] <CarlK> keomj - http://www.transcoding.org/cgi-bin/transcode?DVtoDVD
[12:59] <keomj> CarlK, thank you, but the url is unreachable
[12:59] <CarlK> um, works for me.. start with the base and search
[12:59] <CarlK> http://www.transcoding.org
[01:00] <keomj> ok, wait
[01:00] <keomj> it's works
[01:00] <keomj> and now ?
[01:05] <poningru> hi
[01:05] <poningru> anyone know where the stuff from synaptic is installed?
[01:05] <poningru> like the install folders I mean
[01:05] <poningru> is it
[01:05] <poningru> /usr/bin?
[01:05] <petemc> thats where the binaries would likely end up
[01:05] <petemc> dpkg -L package
[01:06] <poningru> says package not installed
[01:06] <poningru> hold on let me try something else
[01:07] <petemc> replace "package" with the name of the package you installed
[01:07] <petemc> so if you installed nmap, dpkg -L nmap
[01:07] <poningru> gotcha
[01:07] <poningru> thnx got it
[01:07] <topyli> poningru: you don't care where the files go. you just run the program
[01:07] <Seveas> topyli, sometimes you do care :)
[01:07] <poningru> well I do care since I have to mess with a bunch of files
[01:08] <topyli> poningru: for what it's worth, binaries go to bin, libraries go to lib and so on
[01:08] <Seveas> topyli, not per se
[01:08] <topyli> Seveas: well, when something's wrong :)
[01:08] <Seveas> binaries can go to /bin /usr/bin /sbin /usr/sbin
[01:08] <topyli> yeah well, that's why i only said bin
[01:08] <Seveas> libraries to /lib /usr/lib (latter is likelier)
[01:09] <Seveas> topyli, that makes your answer useless "they go into a folder named bin somewhere on your system"
[01:09] <topyli> nitpicker
[01:09] <topyli> that's not what i said even :)
[01:10] <topyli> Seveas: anyway, my answer was "you don't care". which you don't unless something goes wrong
[01:10] <poningru> alright stop
[01:11] <poningru> no need to argue like this
[01:11] <topyli> hehe
[01:11] <poningru> we all understand what was said
[01:11] <poningru> I was about to thank everyone
[01:11] <poningru> anyway
[01:11] <poningru> thanks guys
[01:12] <topyli> poningru: if you do want to mess with some files, they're probably configuration files in /etc
[01:13] <poningru> woah
[01:13] <poningru> ok that is definately helpful
[01:13] <poningru> thanks man
[01:13] <poningru> I was actually looking for
[01:13] <topyli> the point is, the files are all over the place. a package doesn't have an install direcory of its own
[01:13] <poningru> what is the advantage of this system?
[01:14] <topyli> believe or not, it's cleaner :)
[01:14] <poningru> how so? in win enviroment they have the appdata and the install directory
[01:14] <poningru> how is this cleaner?
[01:14] <holycow> poningru, ever try to find help files on windows for a particular app?
[01:14] <holycow> or binary program files?
[01:14] <holycow> or where the app keeps its data?
[01:15] <poningru> yeah usually in the appdata for the first one and the last one
[01:15] <holycow> on windows the one app in its own directory with its own rules makes it difficult to find anything at all
[01:15] <holycow> on linux the idea is to put help files in one place, binaries in another, user files in the proper place
[01:15] <poningru> ic
[01:16] <poningru> but why the /usr/lib and /lib confusion?
[01:16] <Taliesin`> eg, have a filesystem that works :)
[01:16] <poningru> ok nm
[01:16] <holycow> once you have that you get a: clean setup, b: you can just update help files if you need to, c: every program is the same
[01:16] <holycow> d: if every programs follows one standard  you actually have  a real file system
[01:16] <holycow> and so forth
[01:16] <Delph> poningru: because when you're booting up you might not have all your partitions mounted.
[01:16] <jovian2> hello
[01:16] <Delph> poningru: so you keep the 'useful to startup' things in /lib /etc /bin, etc
[01:16] <holycow> poningru, there is a 'standard filesystem' hiearchy out there, and posix standard ...
[01:17] <jovian2> can anyone assist in connecting to the internet?
[01:17] <jovian2> using hoary
[01:17] <holycow> what happens is some distros don't follow it, or deviate slightly
[01:17] <jovian2> first time
[01:17] <nemesysron> hello all
[01:17] <poningru> so this has been decided since the begining?
[01:17] <holycow> plus most people have been taught the 'wrong' way meaning windows, so they find posix file system confusing, which is to say they don't want to learn to do it the way everyone has done it since the beggining of computer science
[01:18] <nemesysron> can anyone tell me how can i run Macromedia Flash or Dreamweaver in Ubuntu ?
[01:18] <nemesysron> :D
[01:18] <poningru> yeah I guess I can see the way
[01:18] <holycow> poningru, it's evolved, but essentially unix from the 70's resembles unix standards from today
[01:18] <eleusis> you mean Adobe Flash :P
[01:18] <poningru> lol
[01:18] <eleusis> nemesysron: use wine?
[01:18] <nemesysron> yes
[01:18] <poningru> no
[01:18] <holycow> nemesysron, crossover office
[01:18] <nemesysron> :))
[01:18] <poningru> for dreamweaver
[01:18] <poningru> NVU
[01:18] <poningru> although not as mature
[01:19] <poningru> it is getting there
[01:19] <poningru> and is pretty good
[01:19] <poningru> well not really
[01:19] <nemesysron> thanks
[01:20] <nemesysron> i'll see if i manage to get it workable
[01:20] <nemesysron> :)
[01:20] <CarlK> this is a bit OT, but not sure where else to turn: trying to build oddcast (I don't see a .deb anywhere) and get "Install jack headers to build" - I have the heders, now I just need to figure out how to tell oddcast's configure.sh where to find them
[01:20] <jovian2> I say, can anyone help me
[01:20] <jovian2> I'm trying to connect to the internet
[01:20] <jovian2> first time hoary user
[01:20] <holycow> well, how far did you get?
[01:20] <scizzo> jovian2: what exactly is the problem?
[01:20] <tuhimman> mita
[01:21] <keomj> Are they some French here ? :D
[01:21] <tuhimman> me?
[01:21] <jovian2> I say chaps, I'm sure thers enough brain power in here
[01:21] <jovian2> to solve my dilemma
[01:21] <holycow> jovian2, first thing to check, system > prefs > networking
[01:21] <holycow> sorry system > admin > networking
[01:21] <tuhimman> sumalaisia?
[01:21] <CarlK> jovian2 - you need to click and type some things
[01:21] <tuhimman> suomalaisia?
[01:21] <keomj> What output format should i choose for the capture ?
[01:22] <T_Trainer> tuhimman, #ubuntu-fi
[01:23] <poningru> jovian: what is the prob dude
[01:24] <poningru> my magic ball is broken, unless you tell us the problem we cant help you
[01:24] <holycow> appearently communication
[01:24] <poningru> lol
[01:24] <poningru> that was kinda mean
[01:26] <nemesysron> any good php editors for linux anyone ?
[01:26] <Taliesin`> vi
[01:26] <Taliesin`> :>
[01:26] <AvvY> lol
[01:26] <maswan> vim!
[01:26] <nemesysron> argh
[01:26] <nemesysron> :)
[01:26] <AvvY> i preffer gedit myself :P
[01:26] <Taliesin`> vim+php support
[01:26] <keomj> nemesysron, use Nvu
[01:27] <nemesysron> where can I find Nvu ?
[01:27] <nemesysron> don't tell me ... google
[01:27] <nemesysron> :D
[01:27] <Taliesin`> synaptics maybe? :)
[01:27] <keomj> nemesysron, sourceforge is your friend :)
[01:27] <holycow> ill toss in a vote for quanta as well
[01:27] <AvvY> sudo apt-get install nvu
[01:27] <nemesysron> thanks AvvY
[01:27] <AvvY> kein problemo
[01:30] <freewoody> Hi all
[01:30] <AvvY> poningru is stalking me in here :(
[01:31] <freewoody> I am using the console login and not the graphical login
[01:31] <freewoody> I am seeing lots of garbage even though I am not typing any in the screen
[01:31] <poningru> I dont stalk I stare
[01:32] <freewoody> Can somebody tell me why all this garbage in shown in my screen
[01:32] <runge> I am a gentoo user that have just installed ubuntu (want to put it at work in desktops instead of gentoo). I am impressed, however it seams that ubuntu cant find the cd (cd-music player) or play any mp3. is it problem with install or config?
[01:32] <keomj> raw-dv taking so much places
[01:32] <nemesysron> you must install gstreamer
[01:33] <freewoody> I see all this garbages like IN -eth1 OUT=MAC= ff0xl....... SRC:192.168.0.10 DST=192.168.0.5
[01:34] <mjr> runge, https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats for mp3
[01:34] <topyli> runge: mp3 support is in gstreamer08-mad
[01:34] <topyli> follow mjr's link
[01:34] <topyli> for all sorts of evil codecs :)
[01:34] <runge> thanks both, I will look them up
[01:35] <freewoody> How can I change my IP using ifconfig ?
[01:36] <sime> I have a friend who wants to install linux, i recommended ubuntu, i am unable to assist him with the install process and wanted to print out an install guide.. i've searched the ubunutu wiki and ubuntuguide.org but no complete install guide, main things i would like to see covered is partitioning and GRUB
[01:36] <holycow> ifconfig eth0 address ip ... something like that i think ... do man ifconfig
[01:37] <freewoody> How about the Network Mask ?
[01:38] <cthulfuego> is Evolution supposed to be broken in breezy?
[01:39] <cthulfuego> freewoody: That garbage is your firewall log.
[01:39] <freewoody> That's great
[01:39] <freewoody> How do I disable it
[01:40] <topyli> freewoody: you may want that garbage when you're cracked though
[01:40] <topyli> how big is your log file?
[01:41] <freewoody> WEll somebody has configured that Firewall and I want to stop the logs
[01:41] <freewoody> At least I want to stop the logs in my Screen
[01:42] <cthulfuego> freewoody: there's a command that tells klogd to stop dumping to screen, but I can't rememebr what it is.
[01:42] <freewoody> Wow that's great
[01:43] <topyli> freewoody: either make an init script like this: 'dmesg -n 1'
[01:44] <topyli> freewoody: or, to simply get it off the console, add
[01:44] <topyli> '-c4' to /etc/init.d/klogd to the line that starts KLOGD=
[01:45] <cthulfuego> sudo sysctl -w kernel.printk="7 4 1 7"
[01:45] <cthulfuego> You could add those numbers ti /etc/sysctl.conf too
[01:45] <topyli> just choose a way of your liking :)
[01:46] <mishof> NO-one knows how to add support for a new programming language to gedit ??
[01:47] <mindmedic> is there a way to get the "rename <from> <to> <file(s)>" program instead of the pearlexp one?
[01:47] <topyli> mishof: that's gtksourceview's business
[01:47] <mishof> topyli, what ? i want to add prolog syntax highlight, thats all :'(
[01:47] <topyli> mishof: yes, so you make gtksourceview aware of that
[01:48] <mishof> topyli, how do i do that ?
[01:48] <mishof> it works in emacs bytheway :|
[01:48] <topyli> mishof: studdy the xml files in /usr/share/gtksourceview-1.0/language-specs
[01:48] <topyli> of course it works in emacs :)
[01:49] <mishof> :-(
[01:49] <topyli> mishof: come on, the files are well structured
[01:49] <mishof> lol ;)
[01:50] <topyli> mishof: that's what they told me on #gnome-hackers when i was lamenting about missing sh support :)
[01:50] <mishof> but where can i find a file for prolog ?
[01:50] <topyli> mishof: then i started hacking, but somebody beat me to it
[01:50] <mishof> sh support ?
[01:50] <topyli> mishof: there isn't one. you'll write it
[01:50] <mishof> shell script?
[01:50] <mishof> topyli, im pretty sure there is, since it worked under kde :|
[01:50] <topyli> the xml file that describes the language syntx
[01:53] <mishof> topyli, maybe there is a way to make an xml file out of the emacs specification or the one used for kde?
[01:57] <topyli> mishof: when i started looking at it, i found the vim syntax files easier to understand
[01:57] <topyli> but perhaps that's because i wanted shell support and there are so many shells supported in emacs :)
[01:58] <topyli> i haven't looked at the kde thing
[02:00] <mishof> aight thanks ;p
[02:00] <topyli> well, that's all i know. i aborted the mission when the support was put in by someone for gedit 2.10
[02:03] <davegahan> when i load a file in totem the screen turns blue and my whole system crashes
[02:03] <davegahan> i have to turnoff power and resboot
[02:03] <davegahan> i tried to reinstall totem but same problem remains
[02:06] <Riddell> sounds like davegahan has installed Windows 95
[02:06] <davegahan> yeah
[02:06] <davegahan> particulary frustrating
[02:06] <davegahan> i have to take the battery out of my laptop to be able to reboot
[02:06] <davegahan> ctrl-alt-del does not respond neither
[02:13] <Alessio> can you say me differences about battery use and cpu power between amd64 and centrino on a notebook?
[02:16] <Bazzi> Alessio amd64 should consume like 20W more
[02:16] <davegahan> how can i get rid of certain programs like games without having to remove my ubuntu desktop ?
[02:17] <BenZor`> does ubuntu have ssh enabled by default?
[02:17] <ptlo> afaik, ssh daemon is not installed by default
[02:17] <mjr> I don't think the server is
[02:20] <bpuccio> it's not
[02:20] <kev0r> how can i mount a .bin file?
[02:20] <kev0r> i have a cue present
[02:21] <odyssey> davegahan, that package doesnt do anything except install a bunch of stuff, you can safely remove it
[02:21] <davegahan> i did last time and i booted up in text mode, no more gui
[02:21] <davegahan> i had to do an apt-get to get my desktop back
[02:22] <dcraven> kev0r: you may need to convert it to ISO. I've never mounted a bin/cue before.
[02:22] <kev0r> yes, i see that i need to convert to iso with for instance bchunk, but is there a different way?
[02:23] <dcraven> kev0r: I don't think so, but I'm not 100% sure.
[02:24] <dcraven> davegahan: you can remove the ubuntu-desktop metapackage. I don't have it installed for instance. I lost it by removing the games and OpenOffice.
[02:25] <kev0r> haha i'm wining the Battlefield Vietnam install
[02:25] <kev0r> bet it wont work ;)
[02:25] <dcraven> kev0r: no doubt.
[02:26] <hussam> Apparantly synaptic keeps history of install operation. how to I clear synaptic history?
[02:26] <dcraven> hussam: you mean packages that have been marked for install, but you have since changed your mind?
[02:27] <hussam> dcraven: no, in synaptic, click File > history
[02:28] <dcraven> hussam: ahh yes. I've never noticed that before.
[02:29] <bezibaerchen> hi
[02:29] <Alessio> Bazzi, how much is battery life?
[02:29] <hussam> dcraven: i found it, it's in preferences.
[02:30] <Alessio> amd64 is better? in performance?
[02:30] <Bazzi> no
[02:30] <Bazzi> amd64 and pentium m should perform about the same
[02:30] <Bazzi> and battery life depends on 10000 other things
[02:31] <dcraven> hussam: cool.
[02:32] <davegahan> how come i boot up next time in text mode and have to do an apt-get ubuntu desktop to have my gui back ?
[02:32] <dcraven> davegahan: maybe those actions are unrelated.
[02:32] <davegahan> yes works
[02:35] <inde> aja... ich frag einfach mal... das ist hoffentlich der chatraum von www.ubuntuusers.de?
[02:36] <jinx``> hi
[02:38] <SiRrUs> hi
[02:39] <SoNiCintuitION> hello
[02:39] <topyli> hey, this synaptic history thing might be pretty useful. i was blissfully ignorant of it
[02:40] <SiRrUs> :)
[02:40] <SoNiCintuitION> I just installed and setup Ubuntu, I think its the best Linux disto I've tried to date, really liking it alot
[02:41] <SiRrUs> yep its pretty good
[02:41] <topyli> how many hackers does canonical have working on ubuntu? anthony towns's analysis of hoary vs sarge is pretty impressive
[02:42] <davegahan> where can i find that analysis ?
[02:42] <topyli> http://azure.humbug.org.au/~aj/blog/2005/04/14#2005-04-14-sarge-v-hoary
[02:43] <Shufla> hello ubuntiers :)
[02:43] <SoNiCintuitION> hi there
[02:43] <Goshawk> :D
[02:43] <davegahan> great thanks topyli
[02:44] <Shufla> ahhh
[02:44] <Cowlike> what the right "apt" way to see if you have a package installed? I'm new to Debian
[02:44] <topyli> davegahan: saw it in branden's dpl report for debianites
[02:44] <petemc> Cowlike: dpkg -l |grep package
[02:44] <Cowlike> thx
[02:46] <dcraven> Cowlike: apt-cache policy <package> works too.
[02:47] <Cowlike> thx
[02:47] <keikoz> hi ti all
[02:48] <bezibaerchen> anyone heard about the rumors of hp doing an own version of ubuntu?
[02:48] <KaiL_> yes
[02:49] <petemc> i heard soneone else say they were doing laptops with ubuntu
[02:49] <KaiL_> bezibaerchen: heise.de and pro-linux.de have articles about
[02:49] <bezibaerchen> well, i already got one of the mentioned laptops and i'd be quite happy, if i could obtain this version
[02:49] <bezibaerchen> KaiL_: yepp, saw it on heise.de , thats why I'm asking
[02:50] <dcraven> As in pre-installed laptops? Or HP-Linux...
[02:50] <KaiL_> do you have ubuntu installed on that laptop?
[02:50] <bezibaerchen> nope
[02:50] <bezibaerchen> got no linux on it, due to "doesnt really work"
[02:50] <dcraven> I'm using Ubuntu on an HP lappy right now.
[02:50] <KaiL_> would be interesting, if there a special version is required....
[02:50] <bezibaerchen> well, i can try it on sunday
[02:51] <bezibaerchen> and report
[02:51] <KaiL_> which one is it?
[02:51] <bezibaerchen> hp nc6120
[02:51] <bezibaerchen> with dockingstation in office
[02:51] <bezibaerchen> where (under xp) you got a resolution of 1600x1200. hp mentioned, that the docking will be fully supported in "their" version
[02:53] <KaiL_> I'd like more, if they help to use stock ubuntu on teh laptops
[02:54] <KaiL_> as else this will break with the next versions :/
[02:55] <ActRapiD> My /etc/rc.conf has vanished! How can I recreate/fetch a default one?
[02:55] <Shufla> bye bye :D
[02:56] <bezibaerchen> KaiL_: i already downloaded ubuntu-5.04-install-i386.iso
[02:56] <bezibaerchen> i will burn it, and probably test it on sunday
[02:56] <bezibaerchen> perhaps tomorrow
[02:56] <bezibaerchen> I'll let u know
[02:56] <bezibaerchen> ;-)
[02:56] <panickedthumb> Kail_, not if they update their specific parts.
[02:57] <KaiL_> ActRapiD: /etc/rc.conf? what's that?
[02:57] <randabis> hiya folks
[02:57] <KaiL_> panickedthumb: often those patches are for one precompiled kernel and never get updated...
[02:58] <panickedthumb> KaiL_, unfortunately you're right-- I'm just hoping they don't pull that this time
[02:58] <ActRapiD> KaiL_: Don't you have it?
[02:58] <panickedthumb> I've been talking to Thomas, and he says that he and his team are pretty committed to keeping it up
[02:58] <KaiL_> ActRapiD: no
[02:59] <KaiL_> panickedthumb: would be even nicer, if yust a stock ubuntu would work
[02:59] <randabis> I hope the HP linux laptops do well so they might consider bringing them to the US market as well
[03:00] <randabis> They couldn't have picked a better distro to use. :)
[03:01] <panickedthumb> KaiL_, absolutely.
[03:01] <panickedthumb> randabis: I thought it WAS in the US market
[03:01] <randabis> Oh? I thought it was Europe. Maybe I misunderstood
[03:01] <panickedthumb> I must have slept through that part ;)
[03:01] <panickedthumb> Maybe it's both :)
[03:01] <KaiL_> hmm, intel i915
[03:02] <KaiL_> ok, there a stock ubuntu 5.04 will make problems...
[03:02] <bezibaerchen> i would be very disappointed, if the cd with ubuntu on it isn't available for customers, who already bought the laptop
[03:02] <bezibaerchen> KaiL_: ;-) ubuntu live uses vesa, and thats not really funny
[03:02] <randabis> bezibaerchen: it will have to be included
[03:03] <randabis> the os will not be installed on the laptop
[03:03] <randabis> you have to install it yourself
[03:03] <KaiL_> bezibaerchen: I guess, that's one of the smallest problems
[03:03] <KaiL_> 56k modem? no big hope
[03:03] <KaiL_> PC card? might make problems [see c't 9/05] 
[03:04] <KaiL_> keyboard hotkeys? noone knows
[03:04] <KaiL_> scrollzone on touchpad? needs manuall work
[03:04] <randabis> I believe their ubuntu won't just be stock
[03:05] <KaiL_> TVout and external VGA? bah
[03:05] <^vir^> hi
[03:05] <randabis> There was also talk of them having their own repository
[03:05] <bezibaerchen> KaiL_: i dont need modem or things like that
[03:05] <bezibaerchen> i want 1400x1050 and worling acpi
[03:05] <^vir^> can anyone get cedega 4.3 to run by anychance?
[03:05] <bezibaerchen> suse 9.3 works neraly out of the box
[03:05] <KaiL_> bezibaerchen: but HP will to be able to sell the laptops as "with Linux support"
[03:05] <randabis> Yes, I have cedega working.
[03:05] <KaiL_> acpi with suse?
[03:05] <randabis> But this is not the channel for cedega support
[03:06] <randabis> #cedega would yield better results
[03:06] <mvirkkil> Could someone /msg me something in chinese/japanese or any other multibyte language, please?
[03:07] <randabis> Or better yet, use their support forums, since you paid for support when you bought the product (hint hint)
[03:08] <bezibaerchen> KaiL_: seems. got osme problems with my xconfig and didnt find time to play around yet
[03:08] <bezibaerchen> as i looked for support with linux esp suse on this one, i came about a certificate of suse for this notebook..
[03:09] <smouche> I wonder what the pricing is going to be like with those linux laptops?
[03:09] <KaiL_> hmm, Xorg 6.8.2 reports supporting 915G
[03:09] <randabis> smouche: probably around the same or a little less than the equivalent that comes with Windows
[03:09] <BenZor`> why when i try and wget shit does it constantly say forbidden?
[03:10] <bezibaerchen> KaiL_: i c
[03:10] <BenZor`> fold@fold1:~ $ wget http://www.randomstudios.com.au/FAH502-Linux.exe
[03:10] <BenZor`> --23:10:00--  http://www.randomstudios.com.au/FAH502-Linux.exe
[03:10] <BenZor`>            => `FAH502-Linux.exe'
[03:10] <BenZor`> Resolving www.randomstudios.com.au... 66.216.127.224
[03:10] <BenZor`> Connecting to www.randomstudios.com.au[66.216.127.224] :80... connected.
[03:10] <BenZor`> HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 403 Forbidden
[03:10] <BenZor`> 23:10:00 ERROR 403: Forbidden.
[03:10] <KaiL_> bezibaerchen: and you get vesa with ubuntu 5.04?
[03:10] <randabis> please do not flood
[03:10] <BenZor`> well this is pretty urgent, as i need to get out of here
[03:10] <randabis> 403 forbidden is a problem on the server, not a problem with wget
[03:10] <BenZor`> there is no http403 error on that
[03:11] <BenZor`> No, its a problem with ubuntu
[03:11] <smouche> randabis - I would hope they'd lower the price to reflect the lower cost os - but then I guess they'd really bring down Gates' wrath!
[03:11] <BenZor`> because im running wget fine off 3 debian boxes to 2 other urls, and that one, no issues
[03:11] <randabis> BenZor`: it's a problem on your end; not ubuntu
[03:12] <panickedthumb> BenZor-- if you already downloaded the file to other machines just burn the cd.
[03:12] <randabis> I just successfully wgetted that file
[03:12] <panickedthumb> ditto
[03:12] <topyli> smouche: no way. linux TOC must remain higher than windows's
[03:12] <KaiL_> bezibaerchen: and you get vesa with ubuntu 5.04?
[03:12] <randabis> smouche: Their hands are tied because of the microsoft tax
[03:12] <bezibaerchen> KaiL_: dunno from which date my live-cd was. didnt try newest iso yet
[03:12] <smouche> sorry, topyli, I don't know what TOC is.
[03:13] <randabis> in many cases you still have to pay the microsoft tax even if the computer will not have a windows os on it
[03:13] <randabis> It is screwed up and a monopolistic practice that they get away with
[03:13] <KaiL_> bug even the old one lists 915G as supported..
[03:13] <smouche> problem is, if someone buys one of these things, decides he/she wants windows on it later - ouch!
[03:13] <bezibaerchen> KaiL_: i downloaded install now, and not live-cd. as i said: i'll test it tomorrow
[03:13] <topyli> smouche: total cost of ownership. in MS sponsored "research" it's higher on linux than on windows :)
[03:13] <panickedthumb> and that's just one more reason why the somebody needs to restrict what MS gets away with
[03:13] <KaiL_> ok
[03:13] <laue> hi, does anyone have acpi (cpu frequency scaling in particular) working properly on hoary?
[03:13] <topyli> smouche: oh, so i even mistyped it :)
[03:13] <laue> on amd athlon XP i mean
[03:13] <topyli> TCO
[03:13] <bezibaerchen> KaiL_: it must NOE be 915 G. iirc it differs from several 915-models
[03:14] <randabis> laue: I don't believe the athlon XP supports frequency scaling
[03:14] <KaiL_> could you say, how lspci calls it?
[03:14] <randabis> Unless you have a mobile chip
[03:14] <laue> it does, i have it working in gentoo
[03:14] <smouche> lol topyli -- maybe microsoft only polled IT professionals who'd be out of a job with fewer crashes and viruses to cope with - high cost to them!
[03:15] <KaiL_> intel GMA900..
[03:15] <randabis> It's been established that the microsoft TCO results were skewed
[03:15] <topyli> smouche: MS hires analysts to do "independend" research and they use whatever numbers it takes of course
[03:15] <KaiL_> btw. intel has closed source 3D drivers for that?
[03:15] <randabis> They overexaggerated the costs of linux training and underexaggerated the costs of windows training for example
[03:16] <bezibaerchen> KaiL_: i will be able tomorrow. prob is, i am working at this "baby". so i just can't shut it down ;-) installing a new servers atm
[03:16] <scizzo> BenZor`: I could download it also
[03:16] <bezibaerchen> KaiL_: iirc, there are some closed source drivers. i didnt manage to get them working under sarge.
[03:17] <dcraven> That biased research happens constantly, in all industries. And it works very well.
[03:17] <topyli> randabis: or, you only evaluate six months after switching to linux. training and maintenance costs will be high
[03:17] <holycow> topyli, i have found the opposite to infact the the truth
[03:17] <smouche> and I'm sure they didn't take into account massive savings in being able to postpone hardware upgrades
[03:18] <topyli> holycow: no job as a MS research contractor for you my man!
[03:18] <holycow> training is only hight if you say only have mcse's on staff ... we don't consider retraining staff our cost, our staff haveto be trained in the technologies we run to be admin
[03:18] <holycow> lol topyli :)
[03:18] <topyli> hehe
[03:19] <holycow> secondly i have a pilot project in place for a workstation with debian, our costs are exactly $0 as of today to run it excluding the cost to setup pilot.
[03:19] <holycow> i only did 5 minutes of trainining on the office manager, he trained his staff
[03:19] <holycow> tco is a very very "flexible" term
[03:20] <topyli> holycow: yeah, training: "do apt-get update; apt-get upgrade" every monday morning. otherwise, keep out
[03:20] <holycow> i haven't got one single call from that office, even though i check in occasionally
[03:20] <holycow> topyli, *nod* of course that experience is on relavent to us and our groups of users so other companies may not see the same tco structure
[03:20] <topyli> holycow: if hardware breaks, call me
[03:20] <holycow> heh :)
[03:20] <Zotnix> I'm anctipating my new video card to come in today. Is there harm in installing the nvidia drivers while I won't be using the card for a few hours?
[03:21] <smouche> well, that speaks to my point about pricing for the linux laptops -- it'll suck if the total cost to someone who begins with linux and adds windows
[03:21] <smouche> is drastically higher than
[03:21] <thr1ce> should be alright
[03:21] <smouche> the cost to someone, like me, who begins with windows and adds linux
[03:21] <topyli> holycow: there may be big companies where there are actual high support costs, tco is a different concept there
[03:22] <holycow> *nod* thats my point tco is an extremely flexible concept, depends on the problem domain
[03:22] <randabis> Zotnix: wait until you actually install the card...technically there shouldn't be any problem with installing the drivers early, but I'd play it safe
[03:22] <topyli> yep
[03:22] <holycow> Zotnix, no, just don't enable xorg.conf to use the nvidia drivers.  when you plunk in the new card just switch xorg.conf to use 'nvidia' drdivers and your good to go
[03:23] <Zotnix> yeah, I was planning on copying over my old xorg.conf and making changes to the copy.. and when I get it just switch them.
[03:23] <preglow> does gnome have a place for configuring locales and such?
[03:24] <BenZor`> what other ways can i easily transfer files to my ubuntu box, given that ssh file transfer doesnt work eithr "No further authentication metods available"
[03:24] <randabis> NFS?
[03:24] <BenZor`> need to go from a windows box
[03:24] <BenZor`> to ubuntu
[03:24] <BenZor`> easily, and now.
[03:24] <topyli> smouche: i know somebody who had windows removed from her new laptop. cost her more than the license but she got a clean laptop to take home :)
[03:24] <smouche> smb-client worked for me
[03:24] <randabis> use Samba then I suppose
[03:25] <topyli> smouche: i.e she was happy she didn't pay for windows and proud to pay for the removal :)
[03:25] <smouche> topyli, now that's commitment!
[03:25] <smouche> first thing I did with my new hp was reformat the drive and partition it.
[03:26] <smouche> heh, several times, actually - screwed up a couple of installs...
[03:26] <topyli> smouche: i guess that's commitment too :)
[03:27] <smouche> I wish manufacturers would just prepartion stuff to leave space for linux if the user wants, and throw in a variety of distro cds...
[03:27] <BenZor`> whats the syntax to use smbclient?
[03:27] <topyli> smouche: i first installed linux (rh 5.0 IIRC) on a box that had the worst hardware. took months to get X :)
[03:27] <smouche> "prepartition" I meant
[03:27] <BenZor`> and why doesnt ssh file transfer
[03:27] <snader> ssh is a shell, scp is for transfering files
[03:28] <Sphere`w> hi
[03:28] <SlackShrike> how to use the totem-gstreamer with w32codecs ?
[03:28] <andreas__> Does anyone know of an RSS client that sits on the desktop?
[03:28] <smouche> BenZor, I'm not using gnome now, but I think there's an entry for network folders somewhere in your menus, iirc...
[03:28] <BenZor`> snader- i know, why doesnt it work for ubuntu
[03:28] <Sphere`w> does anyone knows wich command to start the network setup that is normally under : computer->system configuration->networking
[03:28] <BenZor`> im using ssh, i have to do this remotely
[03:28] <holycow> BenZor`, i wish i could just buy hardware without ms tax, or a nero tax my self
[03:29] <BenZor`> lol nerotax
[03:29] <smouche> smb-client just worked for me, showed my shared windows off the lan, np
[03:29] <holycow> some options are available but laptops can't be had without ms tax
[03:29] <topyli> holycow: desktops you can build, laptops are the real problem
[03:29] <holycow> BenZor`, its annoying to get 12 cds with a plain no name brand cd burner, i know i'm paying for it, its just the principle of the thing
[03:31] <topyli> holycow: yeah, i have nero too. never had an os to use it but what the hell :)
[03:31] <smouche> it occurs to me, the real objective should be to undersell apple -- put a pretty as a mac os on a cheap laptop- or better yet something like a mac mini
[03:31] <BenZor`> [13:30:42]  + Downloading new core: FahCore_65.exe
[03:31] <BenZor`> [13:30:42]  - Error: HTTP GET returned error code 403
[03:31] <BenZor`> [13:30:42]  + Error: Could not download core
[03:31] <BenZor`> [13:30:42]  + Core download error (#5), waiting before retry...
[03:31] <BenZor`> WHY THE FUCK IS THIS HAPPENING ON ALL 3 OF MY UBUNTU BOXES >:(
[03:31] <thr1ce> woah....settle down
[03:31] <thr1ce> are your repositories correct ?
[03:31] <BenZor`> i need to get out of here in like 10 minutes, i chose ubuntu because its quick, easy and ready to use. But oh no, it has to fuckup this time.
[03:31] <topyli> BenZor`: at least you know it's not because of the boxen
[03:31] <scizzo> thr1ce: that is not from the reps
[03:32] <BenZor`> why would that matter? its folding, not apt
[03:32] <holycow> smouche, i don't think there should be any objective at all
[03:32] <scizzo> BenZor`: can you ping something using DNS lookup
[03:32] <smouche> um, I know nothing about networks, but I know my router hates me.
[03:32] <holycow> smouche, the moment you play on their field you loose
[03:32] <BenZor`> fold@fold3:~ $ ping google.com
[03:32] <BenZor`> PING google.com (216.239.39.99) 56(84) bytes of data.
[03:32] <BenZor`> 64 bytes from 216.239.39.99: icmp_seq=1 ttl=239 time=298 ms
[03:32] <thr1ce> then switch distros and quit complaining in here
[03:32] <holycow> smouche, they cannot play on the two freedom fronts
[03:32] <smouche> objective for manufacturers who want to open a new consumer market, holycow.
[03:33] <holycow> thats the real power behind the whole thing, no one can kill it, the moment you start talking about market share, your dead
[03:33] <holycow> smouche, ah k :)
[03:33] <topyli> holycow: on the other hand, we happily buy handhelds and phones with the weirdest software on them :)
[03:33] <smouche> I for one would have fewer hardware config problems if more manufacturers saw an economic gain to them if they supported linux
[03:34] <holycow> topyli, i avoid all that as much as i can
[03:34] <holycow> i don't even have an ipd
[03:34] <holycow> ipod
[03:34] <topyli> we need commodity cellphone hardware to hack on :)
[03:34] <|QuaD-> Accepted mono 1.1.6-2ubuntu2 (source)
[03:34] <|QuaD-> thats always nice
[03:35] <smouche> I won't get an ipod till it plays more formats.  Maybe there are hacks for that, but I'm don't have the skills.
[03:35] <holycow> a cel phone however is such a one dimensional tool however that i don't see the need to worry about the os, i don't do anything on them except make calls so its irrelevant for the most part imho ... altho having linux on there could be interesting
[03:36] <topyli> holycow: i have a nokia communicator which happily speaks MS office but nothing standard
[03:36] <topyli> holycow: it runs nethack though =)
[03:36] <BenZor`> So anyone got anyt ideas?
[03:36] <holycow> topyli, i do have one new requisite for my purchasing habits tho, no ms software in any thing i buy so it does make some diff, none in my car, none in my cel, etc.
[03:37] <nemesysron> Question : I've installed zlib1g-dev (source) because i need it to install php5 or apache, and now almost every package i want to install is in conflict with zlib1g-dev ... if i remove zlib1g-dev, will cause my apache or php5 to stop working ?
[03:37] <drcodedd2> Hi all
[03:37] <drcodedd2> how I can update linux modules?
[03:37] <drcodedd2> I mean modules
[03:38] <topyli> holycow: well, the communicator is symbian (FOSS), but nokia chooses to support only one thing for PC connectivity
[03:38] <drcodedd2> I want to update osst module
[03:40] <mishof> How can i add a rss feed to firefox ? (the address is http://funkwit.com/feed/amazon/rss/ )
[03:42] <eleusis> mishof: is the feed linked from somewhere?
[03:43] <BenZor`> so does anyone know?
[03:43] <eleusis> BenZor`: know what?
[03:43] <BenZor`> HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 403 Forbidden
[03:43] <BenZor`> why i get that
[03:43] <BenZor`> every time i wget something, from no matter where it is
[03:43] <BenZor`> I als ge a 403 in folding
[03:44] <eleusis> um
[03:44] <eleusis> are you using a web proxy?
[03:44] <BenZor`> no
[03:44] <comforteagle_> i think this is a ubuntu thing: I've installed the firefox greasemonkey extension (on ibook), but cannot install any of the scripts.  Anyone experience this and know a solution?
[03:45] <eleusis> BenZor`: what's a url that gives you this error?
[03:46] <mishof> eleusis, what do you mean ? i just dont know how to add it (ive heard FF got rss support )
[03:46] <eleusis> mishof: if you go to a page which has an rss feed linked from it, you should see an orange icon at the bottom right corner of the browser window
[03:47] <mishof> cant i add this: http://funkwit.com/feed/amazon/rss/ manualy ?
[03:47] <mishof> btw its a cool rss, free legal mp3s from amazon ;)
[03:48] <eleusis> i don't know.. rss feeds are known as 'live bookmarks' in firefox
[03:48] <no0tic> intel centrino is supported on the 2.6.10 kernel?
[03:48] <eleusis> probably
[03:49] <KaiL> no0tic: Centrino 1 yes, Centrino 2 makes some problems
[03:49] <enplo> anyone know why openoffice.org's jvmsetup is missing? i'm using ubuntu's 1.1.3 version
[03:50] <abood> hi all
[03:50] <KaiL> ..."centrino 2" means intel 915 based systems (PCIe and so on)
[03:51] <towb> Hello! I have a Pentium M processor is it possible for me to use the linux-686 kernel?
[03:51] <enplo> towb: yes of course
[03:51] <KaiL> yes
[03:51] <irbdavid> hi, i'm trying to install totem-xine, and it wont let me
[03:52] <KaiL> the Pentium M is a modernised Pentium III :)
[03:52] <towb> enplo, KaiL : Ok thanks!
[03:52] <irbdavid> dpkg says it conflicts with totem-gstreamer, but wont let me remove that because totem depends on it??
[03:52] <towb> KaiL: Never thought if that way ;-) .. Thank you very much
[03:52] <KaiL> irbdavid: so remove totem and reinstall that later ;:)
[03:53] <irbdavid> ah, hadnt thought of that...
[03:53] <KaiL> towb: that's why a Pentium M is that fast without eating >>50W *g*
[03:53] <irbdavid> its a pain not being on the net with ubuntu
[03:53] <towb> KaiL: hahaha true true =)
[03:53] <drcodedd2> any one can dcc me pleae /etc/hotplug/scsi.agen
[03:53] <drcodedd2> any one can dcc me pleae /etc/hotplug/scsi.agent
[03:53] <drcodedd2> this file
[03:53] <drcodedd2> I delete it
[03:54] <drcodedd2> please
[03:54] <KaiL> I once saw a P4 cpu with <20W
[03:54] <KaiL> after looking a second time, it was a Celeron M (also P3-Core ;)
[03:54] <eruin> drcodedd2: 1sec
[03:54] <drcodedd2> thanx
[03:54] <drcodedd2> I did rm not mv
[03:54] <drcodedd2> shit
[03:54] <irbdavid> synaptic says that to remove totem, also needs to remove ubuntu-desktop?
[03:54] <eruin> drcodedd2: http://appelsinjuice.org/scsi.agent
[03:55] <KaiL> irbdavid: doesn't matter, that's only a meta package
[03:55] <KaiL> with btw. can also be reinstalled later
[03:55] <drcodedd2> I use ubtuntu v5.05
[03:55] <drcodedd2> I use ubtuntu v5.04
[03:55] <irbdavid> gotcha
[03:57] <irbdavid> grr. removed those packages, now when i do dpkg -i totem-xine it says it cant because it's missing a few others
[03:58] <eruin> drcodedd2: I run ubuntu v.5.10
[03:58] <eruin> but that shouldnt matter
[03:58] <mishof> eleusis, just to let you know i managed to add it using an extension called sage =p
[03:58] <KaiL> irbdavid: so you need to get them...
[03:58] <eleusis> yay
[03:58] <eleusis> cool
[03:58] <KaiL> ir better: get inet on that machine :)
[03:58] <mishof> >:)
[03:58] <eleusis> i use a dedicated rss reader, myself
[03:58] <eleusis> liferea.sf.net
[03:59] <irbdavid> KaiL, would if i could.  How long would it take for apt-get to update it's package lists do you reckon?
[03:59] <irbdavid> on 56k
[03:59] <eleusis> heh
[04:00] <drcodedd2> if I do change to scsi.agent I need to run somthing that change take effect
[04:00] <KaiL> irbdavid: uhm.. 5min or so :)
[04:01] <KaiL> maybe 10
[04:01] <irbdavid> kay
[04:01] <eruin> where does the login prompt get its release info from?
[04:01] <eruin> drcodedd2: /etc/init.d/hotplug restart I'd think
[04:03] <mojo> i have a question?  Is there a way I can start a program and pass it a different current directory?  I have something (mlnet, the mldonkey daemon) starting in my Gnome session but it dumps all it's many files in my homedir (the current dir at launch).  i would prefer to have a cmd that started it with a diff. current dir (such as ~/.mlnet or some such).  Any Ideas?
[04:03] <SaMRoX`> I need to install something called "sox" and it is not in the synaptic, how do I install it?
[04:04] <KaiL> do you have "universe" enabled?
[04:04] <SaMRoX`> I dont know..
[04:04] <fragspaz> hey what does this mean?
[04:04] <SaMRoX`> how do I enable it? (im a noob)
[04:04] <HrdwrBoB> SaMRoX`: go to repositories
[04:04] <HrdwrBoB> and enable it
[04:04] <queuetue> mojo, Can you just stick "cd /path;mlnet" in yuor session?  (Or more likely, mnet should have a destination option you can set...)
[04:04] <fragspaz> wait
[04:05] <fragspaz> whats Esound?
[04:05] <Unfrgiven> does anyone know a good source to read up on to learn zsh for a person who's been using bash for many years?
[04:05] <fragspaz> *EsounD
[04:05] <KaiL> could somebody dcc me a more or less stock /etc/apt/sources.list?
[04:05] <SaMRoX`> HrdwrBoB, i dont find any option "universe"
[04:05] <hans_> i installed wine and configured it...afterwards i installed caesar3 and wanted to start it by clicking c3.exe, wine window flashed, dismissed but the game didnt start...any ideas
[04:05] <SaMRoX`> ok i found it
[04:05] <SaMRoX`> THX!!
[04:06] <fragspaz> whats EsounD??
[04:06] <mojo> queuetue: I checked the docs up n down for a setting.  It uses current dir at launch.  So, I can do a semicolon (;) in a Gnome session entry to tack the two cmds together?  I was thinking I'd have to write a launcher script (but am a total noob when it comes to bash scripts - never done one ever).
[04:06] <mindmedic> hans_, does caesar work?
[04:06] <runge> fragspaz, a soundserver. it handles sound so you can play lots of sounds at once
[04:06] <mojo> frags... enligtenment sound daemon
[04:06] <mojo> methinks ;)
[04:07] <irbdavid> what's the route command to add the default gw?
[04:07] <hans_> mindmedic: according to the wine-howto it words fine
[04:07] <fragspaz> runge, mofo: where can i get this?
[04:07] <irbdavid> route add default-gw IPADDY?
[04:07] <mindmedic> irbdavid, man route
[04:07] <fragspaz> nvm
[04:07] <mindmedic> there is an example in there
[04:07] <fragspaz> googled it, found it
[04:07] <queuetue> mojo, Well, a script would be as simple as putting "#!/bin/bash \n cd /path \n mnet" in a file and chmod +x the file, if you wantd to do it that way...
[04:07] <fragspaz> is that all i need to install enlightment
[04:07] <runge> fragspaz, im new to ubuntu so no idea. guess apt-get.. should be in default install though
[04:08] <fragspaz> runge thx
[04:08] <fragspaz> so am i
[04:08] <mojo> frags... the deal is that the /dev/dsp is usually locked by one prog at a time.. therefore one sound source at a time.  esd does software mixing letting many progs send sound at once
[04:08] <fragspaz> im a linux n00b =)
[04:08] <irbdavid> what does it mean when it's gives 'SIOCADDRT: File exists' ?
[04:08] <fragspaz> mojo, ahh, ok thx
[04:08] <eleusis> it means the route already exists
[04:08] <eleusis> i guess
[04:08] <irbdavid> that route, or annother default gw
[04:09] <mojo> queuetue: all on one line?  okay.  I'll give it a whirl.  I figured it could be done
[04:09] <mojo> fragspaz: your welcome. good luck... by the way, all, isn't the ESD enabled in Ubuntu by default???
[04:10] <mjr> yes, esd is used by default
[04:10] <mojo> queuetue: oh, maybe on 3 lines.  Doesn't #!/bin/bash have to be a separate line at the start of the text file?  I have been looking at bash scripts and it seems that the first line tells bash what the heck the script should be processed by, no?
[04:10] <fragspaz> mjr, it isnt, becuase i coudlnt install enlightment
[04:10] <mojo> mjr: thought so!
[04:11] <queuetue> mojo, \n means "new line"
[04:11] <fragspaz> is it in the packman?
[04:11] <fragspaz> pac/pak
[04:11] <mjr> mojo, actually, it tells the kernel what the heck the script should be processed by :)
[04:11] <mjr> but yeah
[04:11] <ttrout> is anyone else having issues with domains not showing up when looking in Network Servers??
[04:12] <fragspaz> is esound installed by default, or do i have to install it through spaynick
[04:12] <mojo> fragspaz: enligtenment is also a window manager.  And maybe a desktop environment too now a days?  I am not all too sure.  What is lookin' for the Esound stuff?  R u gettin an error with something that has you lookin for this stuff?
[04:12] <fragspaz> *synaptic
[04:12] <mjr> fragspaz, does not follow; your enlightenment problem must be about something else
[04:12] <fragspaz> mjr, on configure it wants esound
[04:12] <fragspaz> configure: WARNING: Warning: no EsounD detected.
[04:13] <mojo> fragspaz: that is, "enligtenment" is a wm, and the "enlightenment sound daemon" or ESD or ESounD is a sound daemon that (I guess) came from the development of that environment.
[04:13] <fragspaz> checking for imlib_create_image in -lImlib2... no
[04:13] <fragspaz> configure: error: Fatal Error: no Imlib2 detected.
[04:13] <ttrout> does anything other than samba need to be setup for Network Servers under Places to work?
[04:13] <fragspaz> mojo, i know what enlightment is, im just having issues installin it
[04:14] <mojo> fragspaz: okay.  just a makin' sure we're on the same page is all.
[04:14] <ayen> newbie here
[04:14] <fragspaz> np mojo
[04:14] <ayen> need some help with modem
[04:14] <ayen> anyone care to help?
[04:14] <ayen> :)
[04:14] <mojo> queuetue: thanks for the infos, I'm gonna go try n make it work for me.
[04:15] <fragspaz> ayen, what type of modem? bband, dialup?
[04:15] <mojo> fragspaz: good luck... i am gonna duck out for the moment.
[04:15] <fragspaz> mojo, so what do i do?
[04:15] <ayen> it's a conexant dial up
[04:15] <mojo> peace out
[04:15] <fragspaz> o.O
[04:15] <fragspaz> er ok
[04:15] <fragspaz> cya man
[04:15] <mojo> fragspaz: um... okay i can wait
[04:15] <ayen> why?
[04:15] <fragspaz> mojo, you sure?
[04:15] <ayen> can you help me?
[04:16] <ttrout> whats the problem ayen?
[04:16] <fragspaz> ayen, you need to give us more info
[04:16] <mojo> fragspaz: i wasnt really following your prob before.  I have not set up Enlightenment before so I might not be your best choice if mhr or someone has more experience
[04:16] <ayen> what kind of info do you need
[04:16] <ayen> thanks in advance btw for helping
[04:16] <ttrout> the problem would be a good start
[04:16] <fragspaz> mojo, if your still here, im lost, i dont know what to do, im told esd is already installed on ubuntu. however i still am havin issues installing enlightment (form source)
[04:17] <ayen> hmm.. im in windows right now
[04:17] <ayen> where my modem works
[04:17] <ayen> but i have my ubuntu on a dual boot system
[04:17] <fragspaz> does ubuntu come with other win mangers?
[04:17] <ttrout> what kind of modem is it? internal or external?
[04:17] <ayen> my modem doesn't even been detected
[04:17] <ayen> internal sir
[04:17] <ayen> :)
[04:17] <thr1ce> fragspaz, no, but they're easy to install via apt-get
[04:18] <fragspaz> ayen, so have you checked if your company have released drivers
[04:18] <ttrout> it may be a winmodem.
[04:18] <fragspaz> thrlce, how do i do that??
[04:18] <fragspaz> cuase i already have the source
[04:18] <ayen> it does have
[04:18] <ttrout> meaning that you have to have windows drivers for it to work.
[04:18] <mojo> fragspaz: how you settin up enlightenment?  you download it or is it in the ubuntu repositories?  Imlib2 sounds like a library dependency.  If you're installing via Synaptic or apt-get then I'd think that would be managed there.  You mixing repositories from different distros besides Ubuntu?
[04:18] <ayen> but i have to pay for ity
[04:18] <thr1ce> search in synaptic for instance; it'll give you anything you'd like
[04:18] <thr1ce> xfce, kde, enlightenment, fluxbox, etc.
[04:18] <KaiL> ayen: is it listed on lspci?#
[04:18] <fragspaz> mojo, im compiling it
[04:19] <ayen> what's that? lspci?
[04:19] <ttrout> typically(sp) most winmodems won't work in linux. I suggest getting a serial external modem for linux
[04:19] <fragspaz> mojo, i dont have to, i just did that becuase there wasnt an ubuntu RPM (does ubuntu have rpm's?)
[04:19] <KaiL> ayen: a list of all pci devices
[04:19] <ayen> sorry for being ignorant i guess :)
[04:19] <ayen> it doesn't show
[04:19] <KaiL> if it's listed there, we have something to start for a google search
[04:20] <fragspaz> ayen, not knowing something isnt ignorance! we were all n00bs at some point.... i still am a n00b at linux
[04:20] <ayen> i research a little, they say you if you have an external modem you don't have to worry about driver
[04:20] <ayen> is is true?
[04:20] <fragspaz> maybe
[04:20] <fragspaz> can be
[04:20] <mojo> fragspaz: okay.  Well you need to check your docs to get the list of dependencies (what libraries and such it needs to have) and then download and install them. Also, some of them may need the "-dev" packages installed too to get their headers and such to program against them, maybe (?)
[04:20] <ttrout> you can also type 'dmesg | less' and see if anything shows up there.
[04:20] <KaiL> at least for serial modems
[04:20] <KaiL> ayen: is that a laptop?
[04:20] <ayen> nope
[04:20] <fragspaz> mojo, would apt-get be easier
[04:21] <ayen> it's a desktop, pentium 4 2.43 ghz
[04:21] <fragspaz> how would i apt-get this
[04:21] <ayen> 300+mb of ram
[04:21] <ayen> is that ok?
[04:21] <KaiL> I bet even finding out, which device that is, is close to be impossible
[04:21] <fragspaz> thats fine
[04:21] <fragspaz> ayen, whast the model name/number and brand of your modem?
[04:21] <ayen> hey frag? may i know where your from?
[04:21] <ayen> if it's ok?
[04:21] <fragspaz> singapore
[04:21] <ayen> :)
[04:21] <ttrout> ayen: most externals will get detected. make sure it is serial and not USB
[04:21] <fragspaz> singapore
[04:21] <ayen> oh ok
[04:21] <fragspaz> why?
[04:22] <mojo> fragspaz: ubuntu uses the debian package management system. It uses deb files and apt as a package manager. SynAPTic is a GUI front-end to that system.  RPM is the RedHat Package Management system and from my experiences with Mandrake, it sucks at managing dependencies.  Your mileage may vary.
[04:22] <KaiL> and on a pci-only-system (I guess the modem is a PCI-card?) it's not even in lspci?!?
[04:22] <ayen> it's a HSF CHURCHILL DATA/FAX
[04:22] <fragspaz> mojo, so debian 'rpms' or whatever will work?
[04:22] <fragspaz> 'debian installers'
[04:22] <ayen> nothing, i;m just curious
[04:23] <fragspaz> oh lol
[04:23] <fragspaz> you?
[04:23] <mojo> fragspaz: debian is the distro that Ubuntu is based on (but not identical to).  Debian doesn't use RPMs though there is a program called alien that you can use to 'convert' an RPM for use on Debian.
[04:23] <ttrout> anyone know why when I search a domain in Network Servers window that it times out? Other domains come up quickly, are there settings that I need to look at? Thanks...
[04:23] <fragspaz> ok mojo, so could i use debian installers
[04:23] <fragspaz> Debian GNU/Linux DEB      <<< could i use that
[04:24] <mojo> fragspaz: have you looked in Synaptic to see if the Enlightenment package is in the list already? You can install it that way if it is, and it will be a lot easier than compiling your own
[04:24] <fragspaz> mojo, yeah i didnt check.... forgot =\
[04:24] <mojo> fragspaz: Synaptic is the typical way to install
[04:24] <fragspaz> is a DEB file part of synaptic?
[04:24] <ayen> is there a installer for linux?  for my modem?
[04:24] <ayen> philippines, i have a friend there in singapore, but i dont know where
[04:24] <ayen> :)
[04:24] <ayen> any ideas?
[04:25] <kkathman> synaptic is the typical way in Gnome :)
[04:25] <fragspaz> ayen, what school does he goto?
[04:25] <fragspaz> see, im not singaporean, im austalian and i live here
[04:25] <ayen> she works
[04:25] <mjr> and Gnome is the typical Ubuntu way, so it follows :)
[04:25] <fragspaz> oh lol
[04:25] <ayen> as a programmer
[04:25] <fragspaz> awsome
[04:25] <Xappe> ayen, http://www.devidal.tv/~chris/winmodems/conexant/conexant_hsfi.html
[04:25] <ayen> actually she is my boss here in the phil
[04:25] <ayen> im a graphics artist btw
[04:25] <mojo> fragspaz: There are also additional repositories you can add to your sources.lst file for Synaptic/Apt to get even more software listed.    It lives in /etc/apt/sources.lst.  Back it up 1st and then edit it like so...
[04:26] <ayen> just in case anyone wants to know
[04:26] <mojo> sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.lst
[04:26] <selinium> Hi all, where do i find the apache httpd file on ubuntu?
[04:26] <kkathman> mjr: well its installed automatically, lets just put it that way, but I think KDE is pretty popular too
[04:26] <mojo> fragspaz: the sudo is because you want to run gedit with root permissions.
[04:26] <fragspaz> mojo, so can i download debian DEB files and install that?
[04:26] <mojo> fragspaz: then you can un-comment the lines for the universe and multiverse repositories
[04:26] <mjr> mojo, didn't say it isn't :)
[04:26] <ayen> any ideas about autoconfig.h?
[04:27] <fragspaz> kde is ugly!!!!!11111
[04:27] <ermo> I'm having trouble getting svg-icons to work with my theme. Any suggestions?
[04:27] <mojo> fragspaz: yes, you can install deb files but i have not done that myself and can't tell you the command line off the top of my head.  a search on DEB and HOWTO will probably get youstarted there
[04:27] <fragspaz> my opinion...
[04:27] <KaiL> ayen: I might have found something for the modem
[04:27] <kkathman> fragspaz:  You cant just install ANY debian packages, but those in the ubuntu repos are ok.
[04:27] <fragspaz> mojo, thx
[04:27] <ayen> i have download a driver (linmodem)
[04:27] <ayen> but whern i install it, it says autoconfig.h is missing
[04:27] <ayen> and i have to compile
[04:27] <ayen> hey kail thanks
[04:27] <fragspaz> kkathman, oh really? how do i know if its ok??
[04:27] <fragspaz> can i apt-get it?
[04:27] <thandavarayan> fragspaz: yeah, thats right
[04:28] <ayen> hello kail?
[04:28] <fragspaz> thandavarayan. whats right?
[04:28] <KaiL> hmm, yes....
[04:28] <thandavarayan> fragspaz: you can add the server list into the apt-conf
[04:28] <KaiL> you need to install the kernel headers first
[04:28] <wastrel> hello darlings.  since i upgraded to hoary my wifi connection cuts out intermittently.  it suddenly loses the connection with the AP and seems to not be able to see it at all anymore.  reboot fixes as does rmmod ipw2200; insmod ipw2200
[04:28] <thandavarayan> fragspaz: and pull the *.debs
[04:28] <fragspaz> thandavarayan, what does that mean?
[04:28] <ermo> any SVG gurus around?
[04:28] <ayen> yah that what it said
[04:28] <KaiL> package kernel-headers-`uname -r`
[04:28] <fragspaz> oh
[04:28] <fragspaz> how?
[04:28] <wastrel> any ideas how to fix this?
[04:28] <kkathman> fragspaz: best way to know, is to stay in the ubuntu repos in your sources.list.  That doesnt mean you dont occasionally stray, but staying within the ubuntu repos you typically cant go wrong
[04:29] <fragspaz> where are the repos?
[04:29] <ayen> but i have no idea how to...:(
[04:29] <fragspaz> synaptic?
[04:29] <KaiL> and then this deb: http://www.linuxant.com/drivers/hsf/full/archive/hsfmodem-7.18.00.03full/hsfmodem_7.18.00.03full_i386.deb
[04:29] <ayen> can you help?
[04:29] <ayen> :)
[04:29] <ayen> :)
[04:29] <ayen> please!
[04:29] <ayen> i want to chat using ubuntu
[04:29] <KaiL> ayen: sudo apt-get install kernel-headers-`uname -r`
[04:29] <ayen> hahahaahah
[04:29] <fragspaz> lol...
[04:29] <fragspaz> ayen, in linux open your terminal
[04:29] <thandavarayan> ayen: what type of chat
[04:29] <fragspaz> type what kail told you
[04:29] <ayen> sorry for being so new
[04:29] <ayen> but how
[04:30] <ayen> oh ok
[04:30] <ayen> thanks
[04:30] <fragspaz> ayen, i told you not to apoligise
[04:30] <ayen> root terminal? or just terminal
[04:30] <fragspaz> in terminal:  sudo apt-get install kernel-headers-`uname -r`
[04:30] <ayen> oh ok
[04:30] <mojo> fragspaz: you want DEB packages that have been made FOR Ubuntu, usually.  Just like you can get RPMs that are specific to Mandrake or Fedora.  They are pre-compiled and configured for a certain set of known libraries and configures the other stuff the way that distro is set up, etc......  he he
[04:30] <KaiL> the "sudo" makes the root :)
[04:30] <ayen> i get it i'm taking down notes!
[04:30] <fragspaz> mojo, but how do i obtain one?
[04:30] <fragspaz> what command?
[04:30] <ayen> :)
[04:30] <fragspaz> apt-get ????
[04:31] <kkathman> fragspaz: About KDE - you can tailor the interface to anything you want you know...so ugly is kinda based on what you define yourself :)
[04:31] <wastrel> nobody knows how to fix my flaky wifi?  :] 
[04:31] <fragspaz> sudo = su root?
[04:31] <mojo> fragspaz: I REALLY  have to step out... someone at door.  sorry, but i am sure you're on your way to your answers.  #ubuntu channel is friendly and helpful
[04:31] <Xappe> ayen: http://www.linuxant.com/drivers/hsf/full/downloads.php
[04:31] <delire> wastrel : what's up?
[04:31] <ayen> yup
[04:31] <thandavarayan> fragspaz: apt-get will get the *debs from the source you specified in the configuration file
[04:31] <ayen> xappe i think i have to pay
[04:31] <Xappe> oh, sorry missed earlier post
[04:31] <ayen> for it
[04:31] <fragspaz> kkathman, yeah you are right
[04:31] <fragspaz> i dont like the interface
[04:31] <thandavarayan> fragspaz: you can add more sources to the configuration file
[04:31] <wastrel> delire:  it intermittently loses connection to the AP.  then i have to rmmod ipw2200; modprobe ipw2200 to fix it.
[04:31] <fragspaz> ok... what sources should i add?
[04:32] <ayen> after "sudo apt-get install kernel-headers-`uname -r`" what's next?
[04:32] <wastrel> delire:  this is a new problem since hoary upgrade
[04:32] <ayen> kail? my saviour? are you still there? :)
[04:32] <delire> wastrel: you need to look at the iwtools, and set like follows.
[04:32] <ayen> hahhaha
[04:32] <fragspaz> thandavaryan, so if i wanted enlighjtment, what would my command be?
[04:32] <Xappe> ayen: yes I see that now
[04:32] <delire> wastrel: ipw2200 tools i mean.. just a mo
[04:32] <fragspaz> apt-get ...?
[04:32] <KaiL> ayen: here
[04:32] <KaiL> next is to get http://www.linuxant.com/drivers/hsf/full/archive/hsfmodem-7.18.00.03full/hsfmodem_7.18.00.03full_i386.deb
[04:32] <thandavarayan> fragspaz: I will tell how apt-get works
[04:32] <fragspaz> wastrel, whats your model?
[04:33] <Xappe> fragspaz: sudo apt-get install enlightenment
[04:33] <fragspaz> that all?
[04:33] <fragspaz> no version numbers/
[04:33] <ayen> doing it now, then?
[04:33] <thandavarayan> fragspaz: folks who distribute put there stuff in a server....
[04:33] <delire> wastrel: try this. 'rmmod ipw2200 && modprobe ipw2200 associate=0'
[04:33] <wastrel> fragspaz:  Intel Corp. PRO/Wireless 2200BG
[04:33] <delire> wastrel: the problem is it seems to be 'auto-associating'
[04:34] <thandavarayan> fragspaz: you must add the link to that server into the configuration file
[04:34] <nemesysron> crossover office is not free ?
[04:34] <thandavarayan> fragspaz: then type apt-get update
[04:34] <fragspaz> thandavarayan, but what link???
[04:34] <fragspaz> do i have to find one/
[04:34] <fragspaz> *?
[04:34] <thandavarayan> fragspaz: wait I will tell.
[04:34] <fragspaz> kk
[04:34] <ayen> hello
[04:35] <ayen> again
[04:35] <ayen> :)
[04:35] <nemesysron> between crossover office and wine, witch is better ?
[04:35] <delire> wastrel: in the ipw2200-1.0.3 tarball i found a /README.ipw2200 with a great deal of information about using Intel's ipw2200 module
[04:35] <KaiL> yes  yes yes...
[04:35] <ayen> i've downloaded it
[04:35] <ayen> :)
[04:35] <ayen> then?
[04:35] <delire> wastrel: for more information see ipw2200.sf.net
[04:35] <wastrel> delire:  k thx
[04:35] <fragspaz> nemesyron, thats what i have been wondering, becuase i will need an emulator soon aswell
[04:35] <fragspaz> crossover is commercial amirite?
[04:36] <KaiL> now we need the kernel building stuff
[04:36] <Mrs_Tbird> any html around
[04:36] <KaiL> sudo apt-get install kernel-package libc6-dev
[04:36] <KaiL> this should catch all needed
[04:36] <Mrs_Tbird> writers that is
[04:36] <thandavarayan> fragspaz: do you find the configuration file under /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:36] <delire> wastrel: i have a script that you might find useful. it is an AP browser. if you loose association you can just re-run the script.
[04:37] <ayen> i'll just type it?
[04:37] <hans_> how can i open rar archives in ubuntu?
[04:37] <thandavarayan> fragspaz: edit the sources.list
[04:37] <wastrel> delire:  sure sounds good.  where do i get it :] 
[04:37] <ayen> then it will automatically configures itself? did i get it right?
[04:37] <mainer> hansP: fileroller
[04:37] <CarlK> anyone know how to get Skype to use ALSA?
[04:37] <hans_> thx
[04:37] <Xappe> hans_: apt-get install unrar-nonfree
[04:37] <ayen> where will i get kernel-package libc6-dev
[04:37] <delire> wastrel: read the comments in the script.. http://selectparks.net/julian/scent.py
[04:38] <ayen>  where will i get "kernel-package libc6-dev"
[04:38] <Mrs_Tbird> i cant remember how to make a border on a web page would someone refresh my memory
[04:38] <delire> ayen: apt-get install them?
[04:38] <pixil9> hans_, use rar x
[04:38] <wastrel> delire:  much thanks
[04:38] <delire> ayen: eg: 'apt-get install kernel-package libc6-dev'
[04:38] <Delph> Mrs_Tbird: google for a CSS guide.
[04:38] <ayen> sorry, but i have't still get to understand what apt-get is
[04:38] <Mrs_Tbird> ty
[04:39] <ayen> how is that?
[04:39] <delire> wastrel: anytime.. it will have a GUI soon ;). also, use at your own risk ;)
[04:39] <delire> ayen: it's a command line interface to the package installation system in debian.
[04:39] <delire> ayen: synaptic, the package installation tool is a GUI front-end to the same set of tools
[04:40] <selinium> Hi all, where do i find the apache httpd file on ubuntu?
[04:40] <ayen> is kernel-package libc6-dev in the ubuntu cd installer already?
[04:40] <selinium> Hi there delire!
[04:40] <ayen> hi delire
[04:40] <ayen> :)
[04:40] <nathan_> Hi. I need some help. I'm not geting to mount a floppy disk that was formated at windows. When I try to mount appear a mensage saying that the filesystem wasn't recognized. Can someone help me?
[04:41] <ayen> or do i have to download it too?
[04:41] <delire> ayen: apt-cache search <keyword> allows you to search all the packages your system knows about based on <keyword>, and they are retrieved from a list of servers updated with 'apt-get update'. once you see a package you want to install simply 'apt-cache install <packagename>
[04:41] <delire> selinium: hola
[04:41] <thandavarayan> nathan_: under what filesystem does your floppy was formatted
[04:42] <ayen> oh ok, but i want to make sure is if it is already in my system, or in my installation cd, or do i have to download the said kernel header?
[04:42] <nathan_> thandavarayan: I don't know because it wasn't me who formated it. But I suppose FAT32
[04:43] <KaiL> delire: apt-get install.. at the end ;)
[04:43] <delire> KaiL: ahah cheers, typing too fast..
[04:43] <ayen> i just want to say if i ever get to use my modem, i'll definitely use ubuntu as my primary system
[04:43] <ayen> heheheeh
[04:43] <KaiL> ayen: you already installed the headers
[04:43] <thandavarayan> nathan_: okay
[04:43] <ayen> really?
[04:44] <delire> ayen: errm yes 'apt-get install..' was typing too fast ;)
[04:44] <ayen> i have no idea? one more thing why it didn't install itself in the first place :P
[04:44] <KaiL> oh, wait, you didn't..
[04:44] <ayen> just a thought
[04:44] <KaiL> "sudo apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`"
[04:44] <pixil9> ayen, what modem
[04:44] <thandavarayan> nathan_: FAT32 should not be a problem for linux, unless the floppy is okay
[04:44] <Xappe> ayen:  if I couldn't get that modem to work I would get another one and still use ubuntu ;)
[04:44] <KaiL> ....after that line you do :)
[04:45] <KaiL> pixil9: some with hsfmodem-driver
[04:45] <nathan_> thandavarayan: so maybe it's NTFS
[04:45] <ayen> that's what ill do if it didn't work with this modem
[04:45] <ayen> heehehe
[04:45] <Anlar> you can't make ntfs floppies with the default tools
[04:45] <ayen> don't worry, i really like this os
[04:45] <ayen> :)
[04:45] <Xappe> ayen: I would get a broadband connection actually, since I can't live without fast internet
[04:45] <thandavarayan> nathan_: linux supports almost all kinds of file systems available today,
[04:46] <thr1ce> not ntfs
[04:46] <ayen> hmm... i just i still can't afford it right now
[04:46] <thr1ce> fully supported*
[04:46] <ayen> just waiting till it get a litter cheaper
[04:46] <ayen> :)
[04:46] <pixil9> lol
[04:46] <pixil9> i've had cable for $30 a month since 96
[04:46] <thandavarayan> nathan_: strange, you can reformat it and try again, If you can...
[04:47] <delire> captive-ntfs provides partial support for fs type NTFS
[04:47] <Xappe> ayen: mhm, that's a problem :/ dsl is quite cheap in sweden, and right now i'm connected to the university network wich is even cheaper :)
[04:47] <ayen> pixil: i live in the phil!
[04:47] <pixil9> phil?
[04:47] <nathan_> thandavarayan:Ok, thaks. I'll try to open it at windowns and send by mail
[04:47] <thandavarayan> nathan_: does it work under windows
[04:47] <ayen> philippines
[04:47] <pixil9> o
[04:47] <pixil9> you lucky bastard
[04:47] <ayen> just want for you to know!
[04:47] <ayen> heheheeh
[04:47] <nathan_> thandavarayan:Yes, it works
[04:48] <pixil9> i'd trade high speed for dialup to live in shorts weather ANYDAY
[04:48] <vessuvius> Anyone know how to install fonts? I downloaded and installed the artwiz fonts with apt, rebooted, but they don't show up
[04:48] <thandavarayan> nathan_: can you able to check the file system
[04:48] <nathan_> thandavarayan:I don't known how to do this
[04:48] <ayen> just to get back on my situation  gentlemen and ladies. after "sudo apt-get install kernel-package libc6-dev"
[04:48] <ayen> what's next?
[04:49] <Xappe> pixil9: never! :)
[04:49] <KaiL> ayen: "sudo apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`"
[04:49] <thandavarayan> nathan_: I too not so sure, how to... but try to check the device props after inserting floppy
[04:50] <ayen> kail" do i change "uname-r" with my modem?
[04:50] <thandavarayan> ayen: you must see those packages are pulled and installed
[04:50] <Xappe> pixil9: shorts are for golf playing brats :)
[04:50] <thandavarayan> ayen: does it
[04:50] <deejoe_> Does ubuntu put some kind of file on the isos showing what version each is?
[04:50] <KaiL> ayen: no, that's you kernel version
[04:50] <KaiL> which get's automatically replaced
[04:50] <deejoe_> I downloaded both i386 and powerpc, but I don't know which I've burned, and I don't want to try to boot to have to find out.  I'd like to label it before I leave my desk ;-)
[04:50] <ayen> so it means ill type what you have typed?
[04:51] <KaiL> right
[04:51] <ayen> yeah!!!!!!!!
[04:51] <ayen> thanks
[04:51] <tanek> what to do about "E: /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4-0x1.6c78200000066p-1363.4.0-0ubuntu3.1_all.deb:  unable to open files list file for package `linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-5-386': Permission denied" ? :(
[04:51] <thandavarayan> ayen: what did you get
[04:51] <KaiL> better copy & paste, the sign is a bit  silly
[04:51] <thr1ce> sudo it
[04:51] <ayen> yah
[04:51] <KaiL> tanek: sudo "dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4%3a3.4.0-0ubuntu3.1_all.deb"
[04:51] <ayen> ive copied it
[04:51] <KaiL> eh
[04:51] <KaiL> sudo "dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4-0x1.6c78200000066p-1363.4.0-0ubuntu3.1_all.deb"
[04:51] <ayen> just can't wait to try it later
[04:51] <ayen> :)
[04:52] <KaiL> why on earth this strange package name?
[04:52] <KaiL> aaaghr
[04:52] <thandavarayan> KaiL: what is strange in it.
[04:52] <nathan_> thandavarayan: Well, I tryed by the Device Manager at graphical mode and couldn't get any information
[04:52] <KaiL> sudo "dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4-0x1.6c78200000066p-1363.4.0-0ubuntu3.1_all.deb"
[04:52] <tanek> KaiL: "sudo "dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4%3a3.4.0-0ubuntu3.1_all.deb"" :S
[04:52] <Dragon-Eater> Im looking for a hacker who can hack mysql db`s, so if there is any hacker in here that wants to earn money let me know
[04:52] <Dragon-Eater> If your interested : /msg Dragon-Eater im interested.
[04:52] <ayen> kail last question and the most important!
[04:52] <KaiL> tanek: bingo
[04:53] <ayen> is that all?
[04:53] <ayen> :)
[04:53] <KaiL> ayen: no
[04:53] <ayen> :(
[04:53] <tanek> yeah, copied wrong lines :P
[04:53] <tanek> (Reading database ... dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4%3a3.4.0-0ubuntu3.1_all.deb (--install):
[04:53] <tanek>  unable to open files list file for package `linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-5-386': Permission denied
[04:53] <tanek> Errors were encountered while processing:
[04:53] <tanek>  /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4%3a3.4.0-0ubuntu3.1_all.deb
[04:53] <tanek> Processing was halted because there were too many errors.
[04:53] <ayen> what ell?
[04:53] <KaiL> now we should be ready to do the real install :)
[04:53] <ayen> what else?
[04:53] <ayen> oh ok
[04:53] <KaiL> dpkg -i hsfmodem*
[04:53] <GNAM> please I need a text editor that loads on memory only a part of the file (big files)
[04:53] <KaiL> that file you downloaded manually
[04:53] <thandavarayan> nathan_: did you tried with another floppy, under linux to mount
[04:53] <KaiL> tanek: hmm
[04:53] <ayen> yes
[04:54] <tanek> yeah KaiL it's wierd... :(
[04:54] <ayen> i know dpkg is how you install .deb, right kail?
[04:54] <KaiL> what's wrong there with `linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-5-386'?
[04:54] <tanek> got this when i upgradet to hoary a few weeks ago
[04:54] <KaiL> ayen: yes
[04:54] <tanek> don't know why, just started bitching, haven't been able to apt anything since i got hoary
[04:54] <ayen> yeah!!! i'm getting it!!!!
[04:54] <ayen> yahoo!
[04:54] <KaiL> tanek: try: apt-get install --reinstall linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-5-386
[04:55] <ayen> then?
[04:55] <nathan_> no, not yet. But I will leave this for later. I don't have much time now. Thanks anywere
[04:55] <ayen> after that?
[04:55] <tanek> KaiL: E: Could not get lock /var/cache/apt/archives/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[04:55] <tanek> etz: Unable to lock the download directory
[04:55] <KaiL> ayen: now it asks you for a build directory....
[04:55] <KaiL> tanek: sudo
[04:55] <ayen> yes
[04:55] <ayen> then
[04:56] <tanek> nah, had synaptic open :$
[04:56] <KaiL> as we forgot to set the link *g*
[04:56] <tanek> now its reinstalling ;)
[04:56] <KaiL> it's: /usr/src/kernel-headers-2.6.10-5-386
[04:56] <ayen> is it for me kail?
[04:56] <KaiL> ayen: yes
[04:57] <ayen> i'll type  /usr/src/kernel-headers-2.6.10-5-386 ?
[04:57] <tanek> Preconfiguring packages ...
[04:57] <tanek> Selecting previously deselected package linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-5-386.
[04:57] <tanek> (Reading database ... dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-5-386_2.6.10.5-1_i386.deb (--unpack):
[04:57] <tanek>  unable to open files list file for package `linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-5-386': Permission denied
[04:57] <tanek> Errors were encountered while processing:
[04:57] <ayen> i'll type  "/usr/src/kernel-headers-2.6.10-5-386" ? if is asks me?
[04:57] <tanek>  /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-5-386_2.6.10.5-1_i386.deb
[04:57] <tanek> Processing was halted because there were too many errors.
[04:57] <tanek> etz: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[04:57] <tanek> perhaps i should use #flood :S
[04:57] <Xappe> yes please
[04:58] <tanek> sry
[04:58] <KaiL> aaghr, one day I'll learn...
[04:58] <ayen> hello?
[04:58] <KaiL> ayen: /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.10-5-386
[04:58] <ayen> hey kail? may i know your asl?
[04:58] <KaiL> sorry :;)
[04:59] <KaiL> tanek: rm /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-5-386_2.6.10.5-1_i386.deb
[04:59] <ayen> ok
[04:59] <KaiL> next time it'll try to download the file again
[04:59] <KaiL> there seams to be something broken
[04:59] <wastrel> so what program do i use instead of host?
[04:59] <wastrel> nslookup was deprecated, now host is deprecated?
[04:59] <ayen> thank, as i've been told you don't have to say sorry
[04:59] <ayen> lol
[05:00] <ayen> after that?
[05:00] <delire> ayen: you can always 'whereis <packagename>' to find out where it (and it's related files) were installed to.
[05:00] <KaiL> ayen: please give me 10min
[05:00] <ayen> ok
[05:00] <ayen> take your time
[05:00] <ayen> im the one asking for help here
[05:00] <ayen> :0
[05:00] <ayen> :)
[05:00] <KaiL> Would you like to try using it (in a temporary kernel tree)? [yes]  -> enter
[05:01] <delire> eww winmodems
[05:01] <ayen> lol
[05:01] <ayen> "will it work or will it not !!!!!"
[05:01] <barto-kun> delire: what? You mean 50% CPU use when web surfing is a BAD thing?
[05:02] <Strog> wastrel: try dig
[05:02] <KaiL> now it doesn't work and I don't know why - at least herew
[05:02] <ayen> i hope it does!
[05:02] <wastrel> i hate dig
[05:02] <delire> barto-kun: surely not ;)
[05:03] <wastrel> i wouldn't mind dig if i didn't have to scan thru 24 lines of output to find the one line i'm interested in
[05:04] <delire> wastrel : if only it was as neatly tabulated as 'whois'
[05:04] <Dragon-Eater> Hello guys, Im looking for a hacker who can hack a mysql database. If you can and want to earn some money, contact me by /msg Dragon-Eater I am interested
[05:04] <KaiL> ayen: I bet it doesn't?
[05:04] <ayen> :(
[05:04] <ayen> wahahah
[05:05] <CarlK> trying to build xmms-jack, configure says "* GTK+ >= 1.2.0 not installed - please install first ***" >&5'" - what package to I need to apt-get install?
[05:05] <delire> ayen: 'lspci | grep Modem'
[05:05] <delire> ayen: and paste the output (out of interest)
[05:05] <wastrel> someone should write a filter for dig that parses the output into an nslookup-style display :] 
[05:05] <KaiL> delire: we are much ahead
[05:05] <tanek> is there any way of removing linux-restricted-modules-2.6.8-3-386 from the list ? cannot uninstall it :S
[05:05] <delire> KaiL: as i say, merely interested..
[05:05] <ayen> i'm using windows right now
[05:05] <KaiL> delire: http://www.linuxant.com/drivers/hsf/full/downloads.php << there's even a driver
[05:06] <KaiL> ...which behaves silly
[05:06] <delire> KaiL: ahah.. hmm. well i always like to know the problem modems..
[05:06] <delire> wastrel: agreed
[05:06] <KaiL> ayen: dpkg -P hsfmodem
[05:06] <KaiL> ...and get a serial modem :)
[05:06] <ayen> want to know my modem type?
[05:07] <KaiL> I have NO idea, why this fails (or didn't it fail for you?)
[05:07] <ayen> i used scanmodem already
[05:07] <ayen> i don't think that way
[05:07] <delire> CarlK: a good habit to get into is 'apt-cache search <keyword>' and then select the one to install from the list. it's likely you want to 'apt-get install libgtk1.2' however ..
[05:07] <ayen> i'm learning so it's good
[05:08] <CarlK> delire - yeah, 1.2 is what I needed - thanks
[05:08] <delire> ayen: they are a pain in the arse.. i would suggest a good serial external modem.
[05:08] <delire> CarlK: np
[05:08] <CarlK> arg.. maybe not: libgtk1.2 is already the newest version.
[05:08] <tanek> whatever, ill just reinstall ubuntu tonight
[05:08] <ayen> i actually thinking of buying one but it is fairly scarce here
[05:09] <delire> CarlK: well apt-cache search gtk1.2 and then choose one other package to install. even try gtk2.* if it's not installed already
[05:09] <ayen> thanks anyway to you guys? or gals?
[05:09] <ayen> for helping a newbie
[05:09] <pixil9> lol.
[05:09] <CarlK> delire- did both
[05:09] <delire> tanek: you can't 'dpkg -P  linux-restricted-modules-2.6.8-3-386'
[05:09] <ayen> i try what you told me!
[05:09] <pixil9> There's a program in ports called aircrack to crack WEP encryption..
[05:09] <delire> CarlK: apt-get update and then try install xmms-jack (which is an awesome package btw)
[05:10] <thandavarayan> ayen: no salutations or apologies....
[05:10] <CarlK> arg.. there is a package?! for that!
[05:10] <ayen> oh ok
[05:10] <delire> CarlK: there here in debian.
[05:10] <CarlK> wtf.. so there is.  i swear I looked for that
[05:10] <ayen> thnaks is enough right!
[05:10] <CarlK> thanks - it is installed now.
[05:10] <delire> CarlK: ah so you're compiling it..? then you need the  *-dev packages
[05:10] <ayen> gtg ko guys again thanks
[05:10] <ayen> bye
[05:11] <ayen> gonna come back here soon
[05:11] <CarlK> delire -not any more thanks to that little gem of a tip ;)
[05:11] <delire> CarlK: hehe the problem was you needed the libgtk1.2-dev*
[05:11] <CarlK> delire - oh yeah... -dev... someday I will learn
[05:11] <delire> CarlK: the headers eg *.h files needed to compile against ;)
[05:12] <delire> CarlK: well luckily with a distribution as good as Ubuntu you don't need to compile much at all these days.
[05:12] <CarlK> delire - the ultimate goal is to hook Skype to jack to OddCast to IceCast - using xmms-jack to test the jack-oddcast-icecast part - any advice on Skype - jack part?
[05:12] <KaiL> delire: I tried nforce nvnet - failed. this failed too... need or can't?
[05:12] <delire> CarlK: also see 'qjackctl' if you haven't already. a great interface to jack
[05:13] <CarlK> Setting up qjackctl (0.2.12-1) ... ;)
[05:13] <delire> CarlK: hmm you'll need to route the sound to jack.. i would look at 'vsound' perhaps..
[05:13] <NTolerance> does anyone see any problems with restoring a kubuntu home directory to a newly installed ubuntu system?
[05:13] <mishof> Q: How can i install autoconf-1.7 (as asked in here: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/LuminocityHowTo)
[05:13] <delire> CarlK: though it might get a bit hairy.. hmm <thinks>
[05:13] <tanek> delire: dpkg - warning: ignoring request to remove linux-restricted-modules-2.6.8-3-386 which isn't installed.
[05:13] <NTolerance> my KDE just bit it and i'm gonna have to try Gnome
[05:13] <tanek> but it IS installed^
[05:14] <delire> tanek: dpkg -l | grep  linux-restricted-modules-2.6.8-3-386
[05:14] <delire> tanek: if you see "ii" it is. if not, it isn't
[05:14] <mishof> nevermind
[05:14] <CarlK> delire - pm me if I you come up with anyting amd I don't respond (please)
[05:14] <tanek> delire: i get nothing at all
[05:15] <delire> CarlK: ok, it's time for me to leave work. i'd 'apt-cache show vsound'
[05:15] <delire> tanek: then it's not installed
[05:15] <tanek> but when i try to install anything it sais it cannot get permission to read that package
[05:16] <CarlK> delire - thanks, but looks like vsound won't get the output to IceCast in real time?
[05:16] <delire> tanek: 'apt-get -f install' and *don't* hit "yes" if it wants to uninstall anything you don't want it to.
[05:16] <tanek> tried, it does nothing
[05:17] <delire> CarlK: well from memory it can be used in realtime..
[05:17] <delire> tanek: what are you trying to install?
[05:17] <tanek> wine among others
[05:17] <delire> tanek: are you installing as root?
[05:17] <tanek> cannot apt anything
[05:17] <tanek> yes, sudo:ing
[05:17] <delire> tanek: so 'sudo apt-get install wine' does...?
[05:18] <delire> tanek: and you have 'sudo apt-get update' first?
[05:18] <tanek> yes
[05:18] <delire> tanek: can you paste the error in #flood?
[05:18] <tanek>  unable to open files list file for package `linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-5-386': Permission denied
[05:19] <tanek> one line
[05:19] <delire> right..
[05:19] <tanek> yes
[05:19] <t3rror> what is the wrapper name for Java JRE?
[05:19] <t3rror> i can't find it in synaptic
[05:19] <pixil9> t3rror: download java-package
[05:19] <delire> tanek: ls -l /var/cache/apt/archives/ | grep restricted-modules
[05:19] <t3rror> thx
[05:20] <pixil9> Then goto http://java.sun.com and get the jre
[05:20] <pixil9> make-jpkg linuxblahblah.bin
[05:20] <pixil9> dpkg -i linuxblahblah.deb
[05:20] <tanek> delire: #flood
[05:20] <t3rror> i am actually just looking for java compatibility in firefox
[05:20] <t3rror> is thzt the correct way to go about it
[05:20] <t3rror> ?
[05:21] <pixil9> I thought java works fine without adding anything
[05:21] <Bazzi> it should ;)
[05:21] <pixil9> works for me heh
[05:21] <donar73> hello world ;)
[05:22] <t3rror> not here it isn't
[05:22] <t3rror> hmmm....
[05:22] <noseman> how to add 1280x768@85hz????
[05:22] <mz2> what's a good ide for python?
[05:22] <pixil9> noseman, /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[05:23] <noseman> max refresh rate gnome give me is 60hz
[05:23] <noseman> pixil9, in wich part of the file
[05:23] <pixil9> Look for the other resolutions
[05:23] <Xappe> t3rror: is this what you're looking for? http://ubuntuguide.org/#jre
[05:23] <mz2> i would quite like to use eclipse, but the pydev plugin doesn't seem to work with eclipse 3.1 (which i need for other stuff)
[05:24] <t3rror> probably
[05:25] <t3rror> i am checking my /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/ and i don't see anything pointing to java
[05:25] <mer> when i install packages from synaptic, they don't appear to install properly as i cant start them from the terminal, has anybody got any ideas why?
[05:25] <noseman> if i put that in the file, then gnome dont recognize the resolutions i add @hz
[05:25] <hans_> hi im a total noob, can anybody tell me how to install fileroller or rar-nonfree or rar x?
[05:25] <t3rror> Xappe: that is it, thanks
[05:26] <pixil9> hans_: console type sudo apt-get install rar
[05:26] <pixil9> hans_, then when you wanna extract an archive type rar x <file.rar>
[05:27] <pixil9> unrar fucks up a lot
[05:27] <mer> when i install packages from synaptic, they don't appear to install properly as i cant start them from the terminal, has anybody got any ideas why?
[05:27] <Xappe> t3rror: np
[05:27] <pixil9> mer, That's pretty damn general.
[05:27] <mer> nah its pissing me off
[05:27] <mer> this hoary is crap compared to warty
[05:28] <Xappe> pixil9: does unrar fuck up things? i've used it several times without any problems
[05:28] <pixil9> I haven't had a single problem with packages..
[05:28] <pixil9> Xappe, I dunno it did for me
[05:28] <mer> i installed flight gear cant start it at all
[05:29] <Xappe> pixil9: did you use unrar-nonfree? the open version is not compatible with newer rar archives
[05:29] <wastrel> mer:  what error does it give you when you try to start flightgear?
[05:29] <markc> I'm trying to update my system to unstable but I'm confused about the sysvinit vs sysv-rc packages, which one is correct these days ?
[05:29] <hans_> pixil9: thx it worked
[05:30] <mer> i dont have it registered as a program
[05:30] <Ironfrost> hi - is there anyone here who speaks Chinese?
[05:30] <wastrel> mer:  what's the exact error
[05:30] <wastrel> can you copy/paste it?
[05:31] <mer> no because i have installed flightgear but i dont know how to start it
[05:31] <mer> because it ain't listed in terminal
[05:32] <mer> none of these are flightger (i believe):fsck           fsck.ext3      fsck.msdos     fsck.reiserfs  fslsfonts
[05:32] <mer> fsck.cramfs    fsck.jfs       fsck.nfs       fsck.vfat      fstobdf
[05:32] <mer> fsck.ext2      fsck.minix     fsck.reiser4   fsck.xfs
[05:32] <hans_> how do i install a *.deb file?
[05:32] <mer> dpkg -i
[05:33] <ulisse> hello everybody
[05:33] <wastrel> mer:  try ls /usr/games/flightgear
[05:33] <mer> ok
[05:33] <ulisse> I'm having a problem with power management, it shuts down the computer instead of the monitor...
[05:34] <mer> no directory
[05:34] <pixil9> ulisse, lol.
[05:35] <mer> ahh might have it
[05:35] <ulisse> pixil9, there is nothing to lough, it's drammatic!
[05:35] <YuWei> hi all
[05:36] <solomarv> ulisse: most likely, your comp shuts down cuz of overheating
[05:36] <mer> cheers dude found it in usr/games
[05:36] <wastrel> cool
[05:36] <CarlK> delire - thanks for the help
[05:36] <ulisse> solomarv, if I actually use the computer it don't shuts down, only if I leave it alone with screensaver
[05:37] <CarlK> (xmms-jack still no go)
[05:37] <delire> CarlK: np..
[05:37] <delire> CarlK: with skype?
[05:37] <CarlK> with anything
[05:37] <solomarv> ulisse: maybe screensaver is too intense, so it overheats your comp :-P
[05:37] <delire> CarlK: connect it all up using qjackctl ?
[05:37] <ulisse> solomarv, when the power management should turn off the monitor, the system goes down abruptly
[05:38] <solomarv> ulisse: disable it then
[05:38] <CarlK> delire - trying qjackctl now
[05:38] <CarlK> "Could not open ALSA sequencer as a client"
[05:38] <trygvebw> Hi, is it possible to get http://rtl8180-sa2400.sourceforge.net/ working under Ubuntu?
[05:38] <ulisse> solomarv, but I want the monitor to be turned off, I leave the pc always on! (or better, I try...)
[05:39] <solomarv> ulisse: no clue
[05:39] <Lorus> Hoardy can put my iBook to sleep, but I can't get the screen to wake up again afterwards.
[05:39] <m1chael> how does unbuntu compare to fedora?
[05:39] <t3rror> wow is all i can say to that
[05:39] <solomarv> ulisse: i think you're better off searching for answer on #acpi or #kernel
[05:39] <abbot45> can someone please tell me a terminal command that will tell me which kernel im running?
[05:39] <trygvebw> m1chael, depends on what you mean...
[05:39] <thandavarayan> m1chael: on what aspects
[05:39] <trygvebw> abbot45, uname -r
[05:39] <delire> CarlK: CarlK: hmm you need to load the snd-seq* module..
[05:39] <t3rror> ubuntu is much nicer than fedora in my opinion
[05:39] <abbot45> thanks
[05:39] <ulisse> solomarv, thanks, I'll try
[05:40] <hans_> do i have to mount cds?
[05:40] <tanek> delire: still wont work
[05:40] <delire> CarlK: and make sure it is loaded next time by putting it in /etc/modules
[05:40] <delire> tanek: same error?
[05:40] <tanek> ill just reinstall, thans anyway
[05:40] <trygvebw> hans_, where?
[05:40] <tanek> yep
[05:40] <t3rror> it isn't like everything automagically works in ubuntu, but i have had better encounters with ubuntu than fedora
[05:40] <delire> tanek: hehe ok.. jesus. well a shame
[05:40] <pixil9> everything automagically works for me ;/
[05:40] <hans_> if i put cds in my drive do i have to mount them? or is that done automatically?
[05:40] <mz2> t3rror, i made the switch from fedora last december. never looked back :)
[05:41] <Lorus> I like ubuntu's install process
[05:41] <tanek> yeah, but at least ill get a totaly clean os then
[05:41] <solomarv> hans_: automatically
[05:41] <hans_> thx
[05:41] <solomarv> hans_: just give it ~30 secs
[05:41] <Lorus> is there a PPC build of Fedora yet?
[05:41] <mz2> t3rror, redhat's policy with fedora seems to be to use the community as free, frustrated testers :)
[05:41] <t3rror> i am building a 3.2 ghz p4 machine now, and i am looking forward to having ubuntu running on a pristine system
[05:42] <t3rror> all of my experiences with linux up until now have been on legacy systems and hardware
[05:42] <thandavarayan> Lorus: should be discussed in fedora
[05:42] <t3rror> that makes things frustrating
[05:42] <t3rror> but it is a good way to learn
[05:42] <Lorus> t3rror: yeah, and a fun way for the challenge.
[05:42] <Lorus> it'll soar on th at machine
[05:42] <t3rror> what do you all suggest in the way of vnc software?
[05:43] <t3rror> i have a server that i want to take away from a monito
[05:43] <bezibaerchen> tightvnc
[05:43] <CarlK> delire - modprobe snd-seq, qjackctl running - this is just a gui to launch jackd?
[05:43] <catfox> is it posible to ssh into a machine, and get files from my local laptop?
[05:44] <CarlK> catfox - you can probably skip the ssh into part and use scp
[05:44] <Ocid> catfox: man scp ;)
[05:44] <wastrel> catfox:  scp or sftp
[05:44] <thandavarayan> catfox: ssh to which machine
[05:44] <hans_> i cant start caesar3 with wine...any help please
[05:44] <catfox> scp - right, thanks all :)
[05:44] <delire> CarlK: modprobe -l | grep seq
[05:45] <prince> peace.. has anyone here ever done a dual head set up?
[05:45] <prince> (I have read the little that is on the wiki at ubuntu's site)
[05:45] <thandavarayan> hans_: reality about wine, is that it can't emulate all the software(s)
[05:45] <CarlK> delire probe or lsmod?
[05:45] <delire> prince: sure.. have you looked into clone mode?
[05:45] <valarmorgh> quick question, i'm running ubuntu on a 350mhz ppc g4, when burning dvds it only runs at 2x have a nec 3520 16x . What is the max the system should be able to feed the burner?
[05:46] <delire> CarlK: modprobe.. you want to see all the drivers whether loaded or not
[05:46] <CarlK> k - got 13 of them'
[05:46] <delire> CarlK: what is your sound card?
[05:46] <pepperpot> How do I copy files from a dvd-r with read errors? I want to get as much of the file as possible, but cp aborts when it reaches the error
[05:46] <prince> .. well it loads like a mirror set up... but I guess my real question is how can I see the Config file or how do I know if I am running X.org or Xfree86.conf set up
[05:46] <CarlK> delire - 0000:00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801CA/CAM AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 02)
[05:46] <paulproteus> pepperpot: You can use dd conv=noerror to make an image of the disc on your hard drive.
[05:47] <prince> I read something on: Xinemera (something like that)
[05:47] <paulproteus> Then mount it loopback and copy the contents.
[05:47] <hans_> thandavarayan: but its supposed to be supported according to the howto
[05:47] <delire> CarlK: ac97.. in that case you want snd-seq-device
[05:47] <pepperpot> paulproteus, thanks!
[05:47] <delire> CarlK: infact install the oss snd seq module also...
[05:47] <paulproteus> pepperpot: Feel free to ask me for more information if you need it.
[05:48] <delire> CarlK: then add those module names to /etc/modules for next time you boot.
[05:48] <pepperpot> paulproteus, what's the dd command line? I'm not too good with dd
[05:48] <thandavarayan> hans_: can you be specific on which howto
[05:48] <thandavarayan> hans_: howto for wine, or howto for caesar3
[05:48] <delire> prince: xinerama is a bit different than clone mode, that's for sharing desktops across several monitors. that what you're after?
[05:48] <trygvebw> Caesar III should be supported...
[05:49] <prince> btw: Linux is dope.. I love the learning curve! (honestly - not sarcasm) [^_~] 
[05:49] <delire> prince: it's good for you alright ;)
[05:49] <prince> (delire) yeah.. That's how I'd like the set up
[05:49] <milan145> cannot get oroborus to display themes...using ubuntu
[05:49] <delire> prince: cuts the stupidity out of human-machine relationships
[05:50] <prince> (me and my machine are one in the same.. we need tweaks and what not) lol
[05:50] <delire> prince: ok.. well this is a good howto for xinerama, though for xfree86 http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Xinerama-HOWTO/
[05:50] <jinx``> hi
[05:50] <jinx``> are there some ati drivers which are easy to install?
[05:50] <delire> prince: may have to check your card is up for it.. what is it?
[05:50] <prince> oooh.. kewl thanks.. let me go read that real quick.. brb!
[05:50] <jinx``> something like the apt nvidia package?
[05:51] <thandavarayan> hans_: what is the error message did you get?
[05:51] <delire> jinx``: they're pretty easy to install. i think there's something on the ubuntu wiki about it
[05:51] <prince> It's an ATI Radeon 9000 (I think classified as a R250?)
[05:51] <abbot45> I need to install a C Compiler so i can install something from source.  what do i need to get for that?  when i was using MDK i just installed all the possable development packages, but i probably dont need to do that.
[05:51] <paulproteus> pepperpot: Let me figure out exactly the command, one sec.
[05:51] <solomarv> abbot45: gcc
[05:51] <ringmauer> How to get vlc into synaptic? i cant se vlc in synaptic?
[05:52] <maximaus> abbot45, "sudo apt-get install build-essential"
[05:52] <abbot45> cool.  thanks.
[05:52] <abbot45> will that automaticly put it in my path as well?
[05:52] <delire> jinx``: normally i just go to ati.com/linux, download the rpm, alien name.rpm, dpkg -i the drivers.deb then cd into /lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod, sh make.sh, cd .. sh make_install.sh
[05:52] <hans_> thandavarayan: there isnt any at all..the wine windows flashes and closes again thats all
[05:52] <ringmauer> How to get vlc into synaptic? i cant se vlc in synaptic?
[05:52] <pepperpot> paulproteus, "dd if=/dev/cdrom of=out conv=noerror"? Do I need to set bs= or anything else?
[05:52] <hans_> nothing happens
[05:53] <maximaus> abbot45, yeah, build-essential is a meta-package with most of the stuff you need for compiling.
[05:53] <delire> prince: that card should be perfect for xinerama IMO
[05:53] <prince> yeah.. my n00bie skillz kindda left me between those two worlds..
[05:53] <paulproteus> conv=noerror,notrunc
[05:53] <paulproteus> Then you should be fine.
[05:53] <paulproteus> Try mounting that loopback once you're done.
[05:53] <delire> prince: lol take you're time
[05:53] <delire> s/you're/your
[05:53] <jinx``> what dows alien do?
[05:53] <delire> jinx``: converts rpm to deb format
[05:53] <jinx``> convert the rpm to .deb?
[05:53] <delire> yep
[05:54] <jinx``> but there is not ati drivers package?
[05:54] <prince> (yeah.. eating books here like I was on crack.. but have to get into learing the terminal more to feel more at ease with what you wrote (hehehe)
[05:54] <jinx``> perhaps someone sholud post a guide to ubuntoguide.org
[05:55] <delire> jinx``: once you've downloaded the ati.com/linux drivers you can alien drivers.rpm and then isntall normally using dpkg. they install as /lib/modules/fglrx but then you have to compile and install them. fairly easy though..
[05:55] <ringmauer> How to get vlc into synaptic? i cant se vlc in synaptic?
[05:55] <CarlK> delire - lsmod|grep snd http://phpfi.com/59373 - hows that look?
[05:55] <jinx``> why do you need to perform these extra steps after you installed them via dpkg
[05:55] <delire> jinx``: as they are 'non-free' they are not shipped with ubuntu. Mepis however, being a 'non-free' debian based distro, does ship them.
[05:56] <Xappe> are there updated ati drivers that did not come into Hoary?
[05:56] <delire> CarlK: ok.. just a moment.
[05:56] <delire> Xappe: the fglrx proprietary ati drivers?
[05:56] <Xappe> delire: yes
[05:56] <delire> Xappe: eg with GLSL hw shaders etc?
[05:56] <jinx``> is there no 3rd party repository?
[05:56] <delire> Xappe: cool, they've changed their tune then ;)
[05:56] <Lorus> ringmauer: you have to go to its options, edit and add "universe"
[05:57] <ringmauer> oktnx
[05:57] <Xappe> delire: my question was a question...hmm...
[05:57] <delire> CarlK: ok.. then 'depmod -ae' to ensure any other module depends are met. afterwards try qjackctl again.
[05:57] <u150049> joanmanel
[05:58] <delire> Xappe: right.. i would doubt it but perhaps Ubuntu has changed it's policy on that.
[05:59] <delire> jinx``: ati ship good instructions with their drivers btw. i would give it a go if you can't find a packaged solution.
[05:59] <Xappe> delire: the proprietary drivers ARE in the repos, my question is if ati has produced a newer one
[05:59] <jinx``> http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html
[05:59] <jinx``> what about this site?
[06:00] <delire> Xappe: right.. which version is in the repo? debian here.
[06:00] <Petteri> Hello
[06:00] <JDahl> I am going to buy a new Dell Optiplex GX280, and I wanted to check if someone here is running Ubuntu on this model... Before I've had nothing but trouble with Debian on the same model... In particular the SATA harddrive caused troubles (and I dont even know what chipset the integrated 'DVI' graphics card uses)
[06:00] <Petteri> My ubuntu warty doesnt understund ae and oe... utf8, how I can change my keyboard layout_
[06:01] <maximaus> Petteri, if you're using Gnome you can right click on the panel and add a keyboard switcher.
[06:01] <delire> Xappe: i have OpenGL version string: 1.3.4893 (X4.3.0-8.10.19) and used fglrx-4-3-0_8.10.19
[06:01] <Petteri> Okay
[06:01] <delire> Xappe: which is very recent...
[06:01] <Xappe> delire: 8.8.16 in the repos i think
[06:02] <Petteri> Keyboard indicator
[06:02] <Xappe> delire: any progress on dri vs. composite?
[06:02] <delire> Xappe: hmm a bit old..
[06:02] <robust_> Is it possible to install a very minimalistic version of ubuntu? Like when i try to install firefox it installs a LOAD of other stuff like hal and dbus and shit .. how do i get around that?
[06:02] <delire> Xappe: i think freedesktop.org are still working all that out.
[06:02] <pixil9> robust_, Install debian and X yourself?
[06:02] <Xappe> delire: ok
[06:03] <ionrock> is there a way to get the trash can on the desktop? That applet is way to small :(
[06:03] <delire> anyway, my day is over..
[06:03] <yfir> robust_: there is a "server" option during install. pretty minimal
[06:03] <delire> hasta luego #ubuntu/*
[06:03] <Petteri> I put that keyboard indicator to there but there is only US english, not Finnish. :P
[06:03] <robust_> yfir: but can i install a dekstop after that , without stupid dependencies?
[06:03] <jinx``> so i think i will not install linux on my desktop pc
[06:03] <jinx``> :(
[06:03] <yfir> robust_: yes
[06:03] <ringmauer> howto unrar in ubuntu?
[06:04] <pixil9> ringmauer, apt-get install rar then rar x <file.rar>
[06:04] <Xappe> ringmauer: apt-get install unrar-nonfree
[06:04] <robust_> yfir: but won't i have a bunch of server daemons running then?
[06:04] <Xappe> pixil9: :P
[06:04] <Petteri> 
[06:04] <pixil9> lol
[06:04] <paulproteus> pixil9: unrar
[06:04] <Petteri> Now it works :)
[06:04] <Petteri> Thanks
[06:04] <pixil9> no
[06:04] <pixil9> rar
[06:04] <ringmauer> tnx
[06:04] <pixil9> unrar sux
[06:04] <paulproteus> pixil9: Oh. :)
[06:04] <pixil9> evil
[06:04] <pixil9> !!!
[06:04] <yfir> robust_: not really, but you can easily remove anything you don't want that is running
[06:04] <pixil9> i never tried unrar-nonfree.. but plain unrar fucks up
[06:05] <robust_> i'll try it out .. and if it doesnt work, then i'm coming for you ! ;D
[06:05] <yfir> robust_: the 'server' install is really more of a "minimal" install rather than a fully functional server system
[06:05] <Petteri> What was that ssh install, "apt-get install ssh..." how+
[06:05] <pixil9> yfir, does the server install come with X?
[06:05] <robust_> yfir: ehm .. why even call it "server" then ;P
[06:05] <yfir> robust_: at least, it used to be. haven't tried it out lately
[06:05] <robust_> yfir: ill try it
[06:05] <robust_> thanks
[06:05] <paulproteus> robust_: Because they'd like to recommend to desktop userse their complete, fully-integrated system.
[06:05] <pixil9> Well that is an idea of a server install.. it's minimal
[06:05] <Petteri> What was that ssh install, "apt-get install ssh..." how+
[06:05] <pixil9> you add the 3 services u need
[06:05] <pixil9> and that's it
[06:05] <paulproteus> apt-get install ssh-server ? , Petteri
[06:06] <CarlK> openssh-server
[06:06] <|QuaD-> how do i completely remove a package, even more so than apt-get remove *package*
[06:06] <paulproteus> dpkg --purge or apt-get remove --purge
[06:06] <|QuaD-> paulproteus: thanks
[06:06] <Petteri> Yeah that
[06:07] <dnB> is it standard to be getting an 'error in core' msg when trying to run gdesklets shell in  ubuntu 5.04?
[06:08] <Gir__> Anyone upgraded to Breezy?
[06:08] <ionrock> wow, it should not be this hard to get the wastebasket back on my desktop...
[06:08] <pepperpot> paulproteus, it mounted! thanks!
[06:08] <dnB> anyone have any luck with gdesklets? :\ id appreciate any pointers
[06:08] <ionrock> ah, got it
[06:09] <pixil9> ionrock, How do you do it out of curiousity?
[06:09] <Fulg>  * NO SERVERS WILL ACCEPT MY CONNECTION. ----eggdrop
[06:09] <Fulg> what is this /?
[06:10] <ionrock> pixil9: gconf -> applications-> nautilus -> desktop
[06:10] <pixil9> gconf?
[06:10] <pixil9> i dun have that
[06:10] <ionrock> pixil9: you should
[06:10] <yfir> pixil9: he means the 'configuration editor'
[06:11] <pixil9> Where is that?
[06:11] <Valentin-> hey, I made it to install my wireless lan card, but it doesn't resolve an ip allthough set on DHCP is there anything missing?
[06:15] <andre> can anybody help me with turboprint?
[06:16] <maximaus> andre, what kind of help do you need?
[06:16] <markuman> hi. where i can get w32codecs for amd64?
[06:17] <mjr> markuman, you need a 32-bit player for those, 64-bit players can't use them
[06:17] <maximaus> markuman, I just grabbed the pack from the mplayer website. :)
[06:17] <mjr> see about making a 32-bit chroot if you need that
[06:17] <markuman> mjr. hm....should i install a 32bit player on may 64bity system?
[06:18] <markuman> maximaus , i will look
[06:18] <maximaus> markuman, just d/l them, unpack, and place them in /usr/lib/win32 with no subdirectories. Xine and it's kin should find them just fine.
[06:19] <venkman> ok
[06:19] <markuman> maximaus, there is noch win32 folder!
[06:19] <venkman> why is my ipod shuffle continuously getting mounted read only when mount shows it as rw
[06:19] <mjr> maxi-away, ...on an i386 architecture
[06:20] <maxi-away> markuman, you have to create it.
[06:20] <markuman> ok
[06:20] <andre> maxi-away, turbo-print says:client-error-not-found
[06:21] <maxi-away> when does it say this? During installation?
[06:21] <andre> no when i want to print a test page, i ve read elswhere that it means it has no connection to cups
[06:22] <maxi-away> You can try running the Ubuntu printer config utility and simply pointing it to the turboprint driver, a simple .ppd file.
[06:23] <hans_> is there a chance to power off the system at a specific time automatically
[06:23] <Janux> hi, what utility that ubuntu provides for configuring and controlling wireless adapter?
[06:23] <andre> already done, but then i cannot select the lowest quality without the turboprint logo
[06:23] <Bwl^> I installed ubuntu over my debian installation (keeping /home). Now I don't get the automatic update notification when logged in, anyone care to explain how I can enable this?
[06:23] <nemozny> heya, i just installed kubuntu 5.04 in laptop, could you tell me why the screen in console is blinking? nonperiodic short intervals
[06:24] <venkman> FAT: Filesystem panic (dev sdc1)
[06:24] <venkman>     fat_free: deleting beyond EOF (i_pos 0)
[06:24] <venkman>     File system has been set read-only
[06:24] <venkman> wtf is that?
[06:24] <maxi-away> andre, do you have a license key installed?
[06:24] <andre> no
[06:24] <Bwl^> venkman: Weird partition table probably ...
[06:24] <venkman> how fix?
[06:25] <Janux> hi how do I show the modules that I have loaded?
[06:25] <Bwl^> Never had that problem, but I guess it won't be easy. Guess you partitioned the disk in windows.
[06:25] <Bwl^> Janux: lsmod
[06:25] <gaussian88> guys (and girls perhaps).  What's the #1 reason why I should convince my boss to switch from Fedora on our PC's to Ubuntu?
[06:25] <Janux> Bwl^, o...change my question, I want to know what's the command for showing the eithernet devices, is it ifconfig?
[06:26] <maxi-away> gaussian88, brown is the new black is the best reason.
[06:26] <Bwl^> Janux: iwconfig for wireless and ifconfig for normals ...
[06:26] <Janux> Bwl^, o..ic..thanks
[06:26] <Bwl^> Janux: You can also see them using the GUI.
[06:26] <andre> in turboprint FAQ it says that the error-message means:The print queue does not exist - please check if the name of the print queue (e.g. "tp0") was specified correctly
[06:26] <Janux> Bwl^, then if I want to configure my wireless adapter, do I use iwconfig or ifconfig?
[06:27] <Janux> Bwl^, what kind of GUI Ubuntu provides?
[06:27] <Bwl^> Janux: Try System / Administration / Networking ...
[06:27] <Janux> Bwl^, but I don't even see the device there...
[06:28] <Chipzz> Janux: iwconfig is only for wireless specific settings
[06:28] <Gir__> Anyone upgraded to Breezy?
[06:28] <Janux> Bwl^, I loaded the module and put "alias wlan0 prism2_usb in /etc/modules.conf
[06:28] <qbeek> Gir__, yep
[06:28] <Bwl^> Janux: I see, IIRC you should first bring the interface up in iwconfig, then configuring the IP usin ifconfig.
[06:28] <Gir__> qbeek, Stable?
[06:28] <Bwl^> Janux: Oh, and dont' forget to modprobe the module.
[06:28] <Janux> Bwl^, how do I bring it up? like what's the command?
[06:29] <qbeek> Gir__, little dependence problems, but it's ok
[06:29] <venkman> interesting.
[06:29] <Janux> Bwl^, o....I can use --help...dumb me....you are so nice, thank you very much, I will ask you again if I have question.
[06:29] <Gir__> qbeek, okey.. hmm maby I do the same..
[06:29] <venkman> windows has no beef with my ipod
[06:29] <Bwl^> Janux: man iwconfig probably answers your questions better than I can ever do.
[06:30] <Janux> Bwl^, after I modprobe, how does it know that wlan0 is mapping to the module that I modprobed?
[06:31] <Bwl^> Janux: I guess it has something to do with 'alias wlan0 prism2_sub' as you said yourself. :)
[06:31] <jinx``> how to see a list of runnign screens ?
[06:32] <hans_> is there a chance to install my lexmark x74 printer on ubuntu? didnt find anything googling
[06:32] <Bwl^> jinx: screen -ls
[06:32] <Janux> Bwl^, I did but iwconfig doesn't see there, do I have to refresh the modules.conf or something like that?
[06:32] <Bwl^> hans_: check linuxprinting.org
[06:32] <hans_> thx
[06:34] <goyan> hi guys...
[06:34] <Andril> hello all
[06:34] <venkman> ok
[06:34] <venkman> i'm restoring the ipod on a windows box
[06:34] <Andril> I just recovered my Ubuntu box and noticed certain themes missing
[06:34] <goyan> any of you use wireless card (Intel PRO 2200)?
[06:35] <Bwl^> Janux: Oh, btw that's not the recommended way of doing that in debian/ubuntu. Don't know if this'll be helpful but try this URL: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-9041.html
[06:35] <Andril> like Industrial (gtk,icons and such)
[06:35] <Janux> Bwl^, thanks..let me see
[06:35] <Andril> does anyone know where I can get these themes
[06:36] <Bwl^> Janux: The 'alias wlan0 ...' should better be added to /etc/modutils/wlan and then run update-modules -- then run modprobe. But please check google first, I'm not very familiar with that since I don't need to do that.
[06:37] <dockane> my advice to you: never try to compile iscan for youself ! its a pain in the a**
[06:38] <NTolerance> does anyone know how to get scanning support working for an orinoco card?
[06:39] <Janux> Bwl^, thanks and if I want to setup IP, I use ifconfig wlan0 instead of iwconfig?
[06:40] <NTolerance> once you configure your wireless settings with iwconfig you can then just run dhclient wlan0 to get an ip address
[06:41] <NTolerance> may have to run ifconfig wlan0 up first
[06:44] <dolli> jja
[06:45] <venkman> krikey... you guiys were right!
[06:45] <drspin> I want a GPG key... how do I get one?
[06:45] <venkman> fuckin' fucked up partition table
[06:45] <venkman> drspin generate one after downloading gpg
[06:45] <bezibaerchen> drspin: generate one ;-)
[06:45] <venkman> and don't distribute your private key :)
[06:46] <venkman> even though those use hybrid encryption.
[06:46] <drspin> venkman: LOL -- I grasp the concept -- $ gpg --generate ?????? just not sure how to go about it
[06:46] <venkman> dunno i never use command line for it :P
[06:47] <Bwl^> Janux: Yes, that's correct..
[06:47] <ubuntu_> hola mundo
[06:48] <ringmauer> howto, see vlc in synaptic?
[06:48] <drspin>    (1) DSA and ElGamal (default)
[06:48] <drspin>    (2) DSA (sign only)
[06:48] <drspin>    (4) RSA (sign only)
[06:48] <drspin> ??
[06:48] <ringmauer> howto see vlc in synaptic, i want to install vlc but vlc isnt in the syaptic program list
[06:49] <drspin> ringmauer: enable universe
[06:50] <markuman> damn. someone have new ideas how get w32codecs for amd64 ?
[06:50] <xmms> j linux
[06:51] <Janux> Bwl^, I got it working now, thank you so much
[06:51] <Bwl^> Janux: I didn't do much tho;)
[06:51] <Gir__> markuman, I'm not sure there is such packages..
[06:52] <ringmauer> drspin, where? i cant find it
[06:52] <markuman> Gir__ i have only found them for i386
[06:52] <markuman> do you remember where?
[06:52] <Janux> Bwl^, no you gave me that link and a lots of good hints...thank you again..
[06:52] <Gir__> markuman, nope..
[06:53] <drspin> ringmauer: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[06:54] <venkman> <3 du -h
[06:54] <venkman> drspin i use default.
[06:55] <drspin> venkman: so how do I register my key so others can verify it
[06:55] <drspin> ??
[06:55] <venkman> drspin you can either have parties or find a server
[06:56] <ringmauer> drspin, still doesnt work
[06:56] <drspin> ringmauer: it works I promise -- I have them all in my repos -- did you click reload?
[06:57] <ringmauer> yes i did
[06:57] <drspin> ringmauer: did you add multiverse as well/
[06:57] <drspin> ?
[06:57] <ringmauer> drspin, ive added them in sources.list
[06:57] <ringmauer> drspin, i did
[06:58] <ringmauer> ill try again
[06:58] <drspin> ringmauer: paste your sources.lst in #flodd
[06:58] <ringmauer> ill try one more time before
[06:58] <ringmauer> why isnt multiverse added by default?
[07:00] <ringmauer> drspin, posted
[07:01] <aeho> How I can get mp3:s working in xmms?
[07:01] <goldfish> aeho: w32codecs ?
[07:01] <dr_willis> aeho,  www.ubuntuguide.org
[07:01] <sick> is there a way i can add reiser4 support to the ww livecd?
[07:01] <dr_willis> tells you exactly what to do.
[07:01] <aeho> well, mp3:s are working in totem
[07:01] <aeho> but not xmms
[07:01] <aeho> xmms just crashes when I try to play them
[07:02] <dr_willis> ahhh - thats odd..
[07:02] <ringmauer> drspin, problem solved
[07:02] <ringmauer> now it works
[07:02] <aeho> or can you say alternative to xmms
[07:02] <bhna> has anybody luck with extendedPDF and openoffice
[07:02] <aeho> another music player I meant
[07:04] <bhna> any extendedPDF user her?
[07:05] <buulian> does anyone know of a way to install flash for a 64bit processor?
[07:05] <yfir> aeho: before switching to another player, first make sure that xmms is configured to use esd, not alsa/oss
[07:05] <yfir> aeho: sorry if you've already done that, but many people overlook it
[07:06] <aeho> I haven't done that
[07:07] <yfir> aeho: it's one of xmms' preferences. not sure exactly what the option is because i don't use xmms, but it's there somewhere in the gui
[07:08] <aeho> thanks
[07:08] <aeho> works now
[07:08] <yfir> cool
[07:09] <Sunneh> Hokey. If anyone who knows about my problem, wants to know: I'm downloading a 5.04 iso and have just cleared my last ubuntu install.
[07:10] <buulian> i have a question regarding macromedia flash plugin
[07:10] <buulian> for 64-bit archetecture
[07:10] <Nalioth> howdy
[07:13] <spiral> are there any news of postgresql 8 in breezy ?
[07:13] <slush_v6> does anyone know if there is an option for apt-get to ignore uninstallable packages and continue on?
[07:14] <deltalima> slush_v6: why would you want to?
[07:14] <slush_v6> somewhat complicated- but using FAI to do installs
[07:14] <slush_v6> our repository changes very frequently, so the list of packages to install has to keep up with it
[07:15] <slush_v6> if I could get it to just install the list, and ignore if a package was removed, that would make life a little easier
[07:15] <paulproteus> spiral: You have to backport it out of experimental.
[07:15] <neighborlee> when when a app is added from synaptic that they usually dont have icons ?
[07:15] <paulproteus> It's very easy, though.
[07:15] <paulproteus> Just add Debian experimental to your sources.list, then do : $ sudo apt-get -b source postgresql-8.0
[07:15] <deltalima> slush: http://www.die.net/doc/linux/man/man8/apt-get.8.html
[07:16] <slush_v6> deltalima: I have read the man page several times, -m does not do that
[07:16] <spiral> paulproteus: have I really got to compile it ?
[07:16] <occy> man... what good is totem if it doesn't play any file formats by default?
[07:16] <occy> It won't play avi as it is shipped with Ubuntu
[07:16] <paulproteus> spiral: I think so.  But it's very easy, and apt-get will compile it for you.
[07:17] <spiral> paulproteus: all right... I'll try
[07:17] <Bazzi> occy avi is just a container
[07:18] <occy> meh, that doesn't mean anything to the end-user. :)  [me]   I've been using Linux since 96' still not quite sure what "avi is just a container" means.
[07:18] <dr_willis> Ive had avi files under windows that wont play untill you install the correct codec.
[07:18] <occy> :/
[07:18] <dr_willis> means to me that instead of .XYZ you have avi files that are just   video.xyz.avi
[07:19] <occy> video sure isn't quite there yet is it?
[07:19] <dr_willis> occy,  it never will be.
[07:19] <sick> does anyone have any idea of how to enable reiser4 support in the ww livecd?
[07:19] <occy> RIFF (little-endian) data, AVI, 720 x 480, ~30 fps, video: DivX 3 Fast-Motion, audio: uncompressed PCM (stereo, 32000 Hz)
[07:19] <dr_willis> different formats for different tasks. and closed  codecs/formats is bad.
[07:19] <occy> dr_willis: yah
[07:19] <dr_willis> occy,  thats a divx format then. :P
[07:20] <dr_willis> thats one that windows wouldent play. and wouldent auto-get the codec. had to go to the divx site and get their player/codecs
[07:20] <occy> dr_willis: anything I can apt-get install to get it to work?
[07:20] <dr_willis> occy,  ive installed the codecs and stuff mentioned at ubuntuguide.org - and use mplayer. and can play most anything
[07:20] <aeho> Is there better program than OpenGoGear to transfer music to my philips gogear mp3player
[07:20] <dr_willis> ive been testing out xine, mplayer and totem lately. :P (and totem-xine)
[07:21] <Ocid> occy: the codecs from ubuntuguide and vlc for watching the videos
[07:22] <occy> Ocid: boo
[07:22] <occy> occy: ;)
[07:22] <Ocid> heh
[07:22] <dr_willis> was rather trivial to get going. :P easier then having to track down all the codecs for windows.
[07:22] <Ironfrost> dr_willis - Windows has codec packs too
[07:23] <dr_willis> and at least all my videos play in the same player..   unlike the 'other' os. :P  where i seem to have to use Quicktime to play mov,s and so forth.. and let them all fght over 'default applications'
[07:23] <dr_willis> Ironfrost,  and they rarely seem to have what i need. ;P but then again it may get better in the future.
[07:23] <occy> k guys thanks bunches.
[07:23] <occy> Will check out UG
[07:23] <dr_willis> every month is a new kind of video format it seems.
[07:23] <dr_willis> Latest is the "psp" mp4  :)
[07:24] <occy> dr_willis: yeah... video is scary.
[07:24] <JaGWiRE```> hehe
[07:24] <Nalioth> dr_willis, occy you guys are most fortunate
[07:24] <JaGWiRE```> i'm using psp mp4
[07:24] <JaGWiRE```> it is very nice
[07:24] <JaGWiRE```> my psp plays all my bleach anime perfectly at 100 mb size files
[07:24] <JaGWiRE```> ==))
[07:24] <occy> Nalioth: Why do you say that?
[07:24] <Nalioth> dr_willis, occy not a lot of the codecs are available for PPC hardware, i've found
[07:24] <dr_willis> JaGWiRE```,  seen any progs that can convert ms's  wmv's to mp4? or ANYTHING to mp4? :P
[07:24] <occy> ahhh
[07:25] <dr_willis> JaGWiRE```,  heh - where ya get those from? your own dvds?
[07:25] <occy> Linux on PPC is like driving bamboo reeds under ones fingernails
[07:25] <JaGWiRE```> yeah
[07:25] <JaGWiRE```> dr_willis
[07:25] <JaGWiRE```> Psp video 9
[07:25] <JaGWiRE```> will convert
[07:25] <Nalioth> dr_willis, the only thing i've seen to convert wmv to anything is only on the dreaded m$ platform at the moment
[07:25] <JaGWiRE```> I get those from anikesuki.net I think it is.
[07:25] <dr_willis> JaGWiRE```,  but it dont work inder Linux. :P st least not under wine.
[07:25] <dr_willis> I have that prog. :P on the xp box.
[07:25] <JaGWiRE```> Meh.. :|
[07:25] <JaGWiRE```> Xp?
[07:26] <dr_willis> of course i only have a 32mb memory card.
[07:26] <Jeria> hi people. i tested the live ubuntu dvd and i really liked it, so i tried to install it on my usb 2 external hardrive...
[07:26] <dr_willis> so i cant watch diddle till i track down a 1 gb card.
[07:26] <JaGWiRE```> oh, i fogot it's claled windows xp.
[07:26] <JaGWiRE```> GAY
[07:26] <JaGWiRE```> I bought a 512 mb.
[07:26] <JaGWiRE```> 1 gb was rare and too expensive
[07:26] <JaGWiRE```> i went to serveral different stores fr 512 aswell
[07:26] <Jeria> everything went well, but when i booted it, it gave me the following error: pivot_root: No such file or directory
[07:26] <dr_willis> JaGWiRE```,  i also noticed that PSP video prog downloaded and isntalled .net under wine. :P Ugh.
[07:27] <JaGWiRE```> :P
[07:27] <JaGWiRE```> i'm out
[07:27] <JaGWiRE```> i love wathcing anime on my psp
[07:27] <JaGWiRE```> it's beautiful =)
[07:27] <Jeria> does anyone know what this error could be?
[07:27] <JaGWiRE```> was in buffalo yestruday shopping with family.. a police dude came ot me and was liek
[07:27] <JaGWiRE```> "Damn.. you watching a movie on that??"
[07:27] <dr_willis> JaGWiRE```,  then he arrested you for violating the DMCA :P
[07:28] <dr_willis> how much space would say a 2 hr dvd video take up JaGWiRE``` ? 300mb?
[07:28] <sj_> hi there, apt-get is holding back 46 packages from being upgraded, is there a specific reason for this?
[07:29] <dr_willis> im expecting to see all sorts of PSP videos in the newsgroups - but havent seen any yet.
[07:29] <Echylo> question, everytime I launch gprename, I get this error : Can't locate Gtk.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.4 /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.4 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.8 /usr/share/perl/5.8 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at /usr/local/share/gprename/gprename.pl line 21.
[07:29] <Echylo> BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/local/share/gprename/gprename.pl line 21.
[07:30] <neighborlee> occy, I totaly agreee..totem is worthless but for a very vew formats and im not even sure WHAT those formats are LOL
[07:30] <drspi1> OK my speedhacked FireFox keeps crashing -- :?
[07:30] <dataw0lf|w> Echylo: do a locate Gtk.pm
[07:30] <drspi1> and freezing X
[07:30] <dr_willis> Echylo,  there may be some perl-gtk  package you need to get.
[07:30] <occy> neighborlee: yeah... it seems silly to me.
[07:30] <Echylo> well I installed libgtk-perl
[07:30] <Echylo> but that didn't help
[07:31] <dr_willis> neighborlee,  i find that totem-xine works better. :P
[07:31] <Nalioth> neighborlee, what do you suggest for viewing?
[07:31] <neighborlee> questions is then why doesn't ubuntu ship with that one ?
[07:31] <occy> why include totem (and take up space) [I mean, Bastien, the developer of it, is a friend of mine] , but... why include it if you ain't going to include the codecs.
[07:31] <dr_willis> occy,  they CANT legally include the codecs
[07:31] <drspi1> occy: The codes are there --
[07:31] <dr_willis> or similer legal issues is my guess.
[07:31] <drspi1> occy: write a letter --
[07:31] <drspi1> occy: ;)
[07:31] <neighborlee> Nalioth, I dunno I think part of problem is that avi's aren't created equal...but if totem-xine is the standard which seems to have been adopted by  linux users then I dont see why that one isn't shipped instead
[07:32] <Choubaka> drspi1: You're right.
[07:32] <Choubaka> err
[07:32] <dr_willis> :)
[07:32] <Choubaka> dr_willis:
[07:32] <drspi1> ugh
[07:32] <Choubaka> :)
[07:32] <spiral> paulproteus: when starting /etc/init.d/postgresql-8.0 start, I get an error message :
[07:32] <spiral> Error: Could not parse locale out of pg_controldata output
[07:32] <dr_willis> mp4
[07:32] <occy> drspi1: hehe
[07:32] <neighborlee> occy, makes me wonder how the other distros handle this
[07:33] <occy> well, at least Ubuntu has UG.
[07:33] <spiral> paulproteus: have you got any idea ?
[07:33] <sj_> hi there, apt-get is holding back 46 packages from being upgraded, is there a specific reason for this?
[07:33] <neighborlee> occy, UG?
[07:33] <occy> ubuntuguide
[07:33] <dr_willis> they all do a similer thing.. the user must research and some how 'track down' the tools to play dvd and other less-then-legal-to-play type things..
[07:33] <neighborlee> occy, ahhhhh yes indeed
[07:33] <occy> dr_willis: I reckon I'd find stuff for dvd playback on UG huh?
[07:33] <occy> heh
[07:34] <dr_willis> sad when theres a single host in some 'not legally bound to the us laws' country  serveing up some little 50K file that we need to play dvd's
[07:34] <holycow> i would say totem-gstreamer is the right way and the future, totem-xine simply outperforms gstreamer today.  the gstreamer codecs don't seem to be able to decode efficiently (weren't the w32 codecs dervied from the original dlls or some such?)
[07:34] <neighborlee> dr_willis, which is also true in windows albeit usually there you have a CD driver you get with your system's video player..'usually' <<
[07:34] <dr_willis> neighborlee,  whats odd.. is on a Clean XP install - it wouldent  play dvd's untill i installed Nero and its Media Player.  :P
[07:34] <holycow> dr_willis, tell that to iraq
[07:34] <dr_willis> neighborlee,  not sure what happened there.
[07:34] <holycow> to stretch an analogy
[07:35] <neighborlee> dr_willis, yes even bill gates doesn't mess with patents LOL
[07:35] <holycow> this whole discussion is moot
[07:35] <dr_willis> Interesting how france passed that anti-drm measure on DVD's.. that is a good start.
[07:35] <Choubaka> holycow: the w32codecs _are_ the original dlls
[07:35] <Ironfrost> is there any US-legal DVD player in existance for Linux at all?
[07:35] <holycow> your suggestin some strange and bizarre solutions to something that simply isn't free and never will be
[07:35] <holycow> those codec haveto basically be purchase
[07:36] <dr_willis> Ironfrost,  yes there is - i saw some disrto had a Licensed dvd player for linux..
[07:36] <dr_willis> Ironfrost,  but i forget what/where/who :P
[07:36] <Ironfrost> cool; I didn't know that
[07:36] <holycow> i don't see a problem with ubuntu offering a LEGAL player that has paid up whatever rights for the codecs and allow users to pay for them ...
[07:36] <neighborlee> dr_willis, your thinking of yellow dog I think ( erm not sure but I think??)
[07:36] <neighborlee> holycow, true
[07:36] <dr_willis> neighborlee,  i was thinking it was Lycoris or Similer.
[07:36] <holycow> that gives those supporting ubuntu a real answ3er, for those that don't want to buy a legal player, they will find how to download this stuff anyway
[07:37] <Ironfrost> holycow - Ubuntu wouldn't offer a paid anything
[07:37] <holycow> you cannot skirt copyright laws if you wish others to respect yours is sort of the idea
[07:37] <holycow> Ironfrost, why not?
[07:37] <drspi1> holycow: the problem with that is it eliminates freedom of choice -- which linux provides by it's very nature -- why ruin that?
[07:37] <neighborlee> dr_willis, not sure either..I know one of them uses the same video player that XP does for which no doubt they made a purchase to include it <G>
[07:37] <Nalioth> dr_willis, you didnt forget, your mind will not let you remember the stank that is Linspire
[07:37] <holycow> the codecs aren't free in the first place
[07:37] <dr_willis> Of course I couldent watch my  'legal' dvd's that i made myself under ubuntu untill i had installed some of that extra stuff.
[07:37] <Ironfrost> because they're all about Free Software
[07:37] <Ironfrost> in the Stallman sense
[07:37] <holycow> i don't see how selling something is wrong if thats the only option you have available to you by the copyright/patent holders?
[07:37] <holycow> Ironfrost, that has nothing to do with it
[07:37] <Ironfrost> it has everything to do with it
[07:37] <dr_willis> Nalioth,  i dont think it was Linspire..   one of the other user-friendly-wanna-be disrtos.
[07:38] <neighborlee> Nalioth, LOL linspire..that is such a joke to anyone but the most adament ex-xp user ;-)..its a nice system from some aspects but it breaks apt so reliably that its not worth it to many ..
[07:38] <holycow> you guys are talking about how to 'legally' offer copyrighted/pirated/patentend works which is essentially 'illegal' in almost every jurisdiction in the world
[07:38] <Ironfrost> they will never offer anything that's not completely open source
[07:38] <holycow> the question here isn't freedom
[07:38] <Choubaka> I can still play DVDs legally with linux (at least I think I can), because I live in Europe.
[07:38] <neighborlee> Choubaka, correct
[07:38] <holycow> the question here is whether or not someone wants to pay to get rid of that freedom ... and give legitimate companies that support ubuntu some 'legal' option
[07:39] <dr_willis> Choubaka,  :P   untill the software patents make it illeagle for you to have a 'play' button.
[07:39] <AstralJava> dr_willis: Good one. :)
[07:39] <Choubaka> No software patents here yet.
[07:39] <holycow> Choubaka, not if you use decss ... depeding on the country
[07:39] <Ironfrost> probably wouldn't happen in Europe anyway
[07:39] <Choubaka> holycow: it is legal in Finland.
[07:39] <Ironfrost> patents on stupid things are patents on stupid things, whether it's software or anything else
[07:40] <Choubaka> I believe using those codecs might be legal in Finland too
[07:40] <drspi1> My point of view: I have a DVD-Rom drive -- I have a DVD Player -- I have a legitimately purchased DVD -- I have every right to watch wherever and whenever I choose -- I paid for all the licensing simply by purchasing the copyrighted material --
[07:40] <holycow> the whole media distribution works like this: you pay for the right to play the media, you pay for the media it self ... if thats what people want, give it to them, give them an option to buy ... you don't haveto distribute it
[07:40] <holycow> its trivial to offer a media player
[07:40] <AstralJava> Choubaka: You're a Finn?
[07:40] <holycow> Choubaka, ah lucky you :)
[07:40] <Choubaka> AstralJava: yeah.
[07:40] <AstralJava> Me too.
[07:40] <AstralJava> ;)
[07:40] <Choubaka> :)
[07:40] <dr_willis> drspi1,  you would think that when you bought the DVD the 'cost' of licening would be included in the price.
[07:40] <AstralJava> Guess we're not too rare a breed after all.
[07:40] <Choubaka> holycow: They're about to make downloading movies illegal though :(
[07:40] <drspi1> I'm damn sure not going to pay to uncopyright what their company paid millions (or billions) to copyright... LOL
[07:40] <holycow> i have problem with software patents because there is no such thing as trully non obvious software :) but thats an asside
[07:40] <spiral> paulproteus: any idea ?
[07:41] <Ironfrost> the best solution would be for DVD drive manufacturers to ship legal DVD playback software with their drives
[07:41] <Ironfrost> just as they do for Windows
[07:41] <holycow> Choubaka, *nod* i know
[07:41] <AstralJava> They're about to make living illegal for all I know.
[07:41] <drspi1> AstralJava: sometimes it does seem that grim...
[07:41] <dr_willis> AstralJava,  nah - they will just up the tax rate so high - it will be cheaper to die.
[07:41] <occy> I think buying hardware should give you license to reverse any software.
[07:42] <occy> I think it's a raquette(sp?) to sell hardware cheap and then have proprietary software formats.
[07:42] <occy> it's retarded.
[07:42] <Choubaka> You don't even buy software.
[07:42] <Choubaka> You just licence it.
[07:42] <GammaRay> it's always been cheaper to die
[07:42] <occy> Choubaka: even worse.
[07:42] <holycow> i don't have a problem with copyrights
[07:42] <Choubaka> occy: yeah
[07:42] <jinx> how to change the system charset?
[07:42] <Ironfrost> occy - but the people making software and hardware are different companies
[07:43] <holycow> the copyright holder has the right to decide how to give away their rights
[07:43] <jinx> i think i know have utf-8, but im not sure
[07:43] <eleusis> hmm
[07:43] <holycow> if they want to drm everythign, fine, i just wont watch it
[07:43] <Choubaka> you licence it, and the licensor can revoke a licence at any time.
[07:43] <holycow> its their copyright anyway, not mine
[07:43] <eleusis> my nickname in an ET clan used to be Occult, shortened to 'occy'.. :P
[07:43] <occy> course, talking about it here is like preaching to the choir. :)
[07:43] <Ironfrost> holycow - so, what if I invented a new algorithm for compressing video, for example
[07:43] <occy> eleusis: heh
[07:43] <Choubaka> so MS could sell you a licence and void it the next day :D
[07:43] <eleusis> :)
[07:43] <holycow> Ironfrost, what about it?
[07:43] <holycow> the copyright is yours
[07:43] <drcodedd2> Hi all
[07:43] <drspi1> Technically I can use the w32codecs -- I paid for a windows XP license when I purchased my computer and I'm not running a copy of WinXP on any system in my house -- therefore I chose to use a part of the OS that I paid for
[07:44] <drcodedd2> is it recommand to compile modules like osst from source
[07:44] <drcodedd2> or I can update it with some command?
[07:44] <holycow> drspi1, actually no, check your windowsxp licence
[07:44] <GammaRay> copyright does not cover the algorithm
[07:44] <Ironfrost> holycow - what you were saying about software patents
[07:44] <holycow> drspi1, unfortunately your windows xp licence tells you how you can or cannot use them
[07:44] <Choubaka> Hm
[07:44] <Ironfrost> there are loads of ways to implement that without using specific copyrighted code
[07:44] <Choubaka> I wonder if such a licence is legally enforceable...
[07:44] <holycow> drspi1, you may have some extra 'fair use' rights and such under your countries copyright laws tho
[07:44] <Ironfrost> but inventing the thing still involved a hell of a lot of work
[07:45] <drspi1> holycow: right -- I don't give a damn... I live in a 'free' coutry - I paid for them and I WILL use them how and when I please... period
[07:45] <holycow> but you should do your research and not make assumptions
[07:45] <drspi1> holycow: ;)
[07:45] <Choubaka> drspi1: doesn't work that way. ;)
[07:45] <dr_willis> drspi1,  plese stand by - the  EULA cops will be there soon.
[07:45] <Choubaka> you're a licensee.
[07:45] <drspi1> Then my country is not free
[07:45] <Ironfrost> no country is totally free
[07:45] <Ironfrost> which is a good thing
[07:45] <AstralJava> Well, usually no amount of prior research gives you a clue of what stands in court and what not.
[07:45] <holycow> Ironfrost, well imho, patenting ideas and software just shouldn't be done because it's all based on the work of others before you
[07:45] <Choubaka> you don't own shit. you don't even have any rights in relation to the software.
[07:45] <drspi1> Then Democracy in the US can suck my dick
[07:45] <holycow> actually thats kinda wrong
[07:45] <Choubaka> you're just allowed to use it.
[07:46] <dr_willis> Oh wait - that name is (C)
[07:46] <dr_willis> :(
[07:46] <Ironfrost> holycow - that's true with everything
[07:46] <holycow> patenting software is done almost purely on work done by others
[07:46] <drspi1> oops -- language... gettin bad about that these days --
[07:46] <holycow> its true with math to a certain extent
[07:46] <pixil9> That's why you just pirate everything Choubaka
[07:46] <GammaRay> Ironfrost: it's very hard to use copyright code from closed source software
[07:46] <drspi1> sorry guys
[07:46] <Choubaka> pixil9: nah.
[07:46] <AstralJava> Basically it's just about how twisted your court is --> how bribed the judges are. But that's spreading the Ubuntu thread quite wide, so I'm just gonna drop it now. :)
[07:46] <Choubaka> That's why you use Free software.
[07:46] <Ironfrost> inventing anything is always mainly about other people's work
[07:46] <drspi1> GammaRay: right -- and the fact that someone has made it useable in it's copyrighted state is awesome!
[07:47] <Ironfrost> 'standing on the shoulders of giants' etc
[07:47] <holycow> but patneting algorithms is morallly wrong, and was banned in the states for a long time for that reason ... society should not be held captive to monopolies on ideas ... and algorythm is an idea
[07:47] <neighborlee> dr_willis, k my bad..not yellowdog but its turbolinux that ships that kewl video player...its the same one I got with my XP system on CD..called: PowerDVD
[07:47] <holycow> Ironfrost, *nod*
[07:47] <cao30> has anyone gotten the XRANDR extension to work with an ATI card in Hoary?
[07:47] <pixil9> powerdvd runs on *nix?
[07:47] <neighborlee> yes
[07:47] <dr_willis> neighborlee,  now the Next question is.. is it a native linux app. or is it just useing Wine. :P
[07:47] <Choubaka> pixil9: if you pirate windows software, you're pro windows. :)
[07:47] <Choubaka> and thus helping microsoft.
[07:47] <holycow> patents however aren't about just 'uniqueness' of the thing that is patented
[07:48] <Justin> I think they call it LinDVD
[07:48] <holycow> patents are about balancing the needs of society against the need for society to reward risk, patenting ideas is just not something that i think is good for society
[07:48] <DaBlade> hello
[07:48] <holycow> patenting an implementation of an idea, well then thats a whole other thing
[07:48] <DaBlade> I just installed kununtu, but I got a problem
[07:48] <Justin> oh nm, lindvd is from the other company, neither is actually sold to end users
[07:48] <drspi1> holycow: I agree
[07:48] <holycow> like what if you patented 2+2?
[07:49] <cao30> "LinDVD, InterVideo's Linux software DVD player, is currently available only to manufacturers for evaluation and integration"
[07:49] <GammaRay> drspi1: "copyrighted state? no they just don't make the copyrighted code itself public. Can you copyright a book noone can ever open? How do you prove copyright infringement?
[07:49] <DaBlade> I don't know my root password. I didn't see it in the configuration in the installer
[07:49] <drspi1> holycow: I'm sure m$ has that covered
[07:49] <AstralJava> holycow: Others use 1+3
[07:49] <DaBlade> can someone help me?
[07:49] <holycow> drspi1, maybe ;)
[07:49] <cao30> DaBlade: you don't need it :-P
[07:49] <Nalioth> DaBlade, there is no root pwd
[07:49] <holycow> AstralJava, lol
[07:49] <DaBlade> ...
[07:49] <DaBlade> So I'm running as root now?
[07:49] <dr_willis> DaBlade,  its the same as the users password..
[07:49] <Kerr> from a Ubuntu perspective,  What is the difference between Debian and Ubuntu ?
[07:49] <cao30> DaBlade: no you're logged as a current user
[07:49] <Choubaka> DaBlade: tip: sudo
[07:49] <Nalioth> DaBlade, yes all power functions are run thru "sudo"
[07:49] <cao30> DaBlade: to do special stuff, you just go 'sudo <...>'
[07:49] <drspi1> DaBlade: sudo -s will give you a root prompt
[07:49] <DaBlade> but su doesn't work
[07:49] <GammaRay> drspi1: actually all work is already copyrighted when it created.. it more about proof you created it these days.
[07:49] <cao30> DaBlade: and write you own passwd
[07:50] <Nalioth> DaBlade, http://www.ubuntuforums.org
[07:50] <DaBlade> ok... lol
[07:50] <holycow> cao30, its only available to system integrators?
[07:50] <drspi1> DaBlade: you have to use YOUR password
[07:50] <holycow> man linspire sucks on so many levels
[07:50] <drspi1> DaBlade: $ man sudo    // will give you TONS of info
[07:50] <Nalioth> Kerr......light years
[07:50] <DaBlade> how do I make my own root pw?
[07:51] <drspi1> GammaRay: right
[07:51] <neighborlee> dr_willis, honestly not sure as the site doens't say
[07:51] <dr_willis> DaBlade,  if you want to enable the logging in of root., and 'su -'  you can use 'sudo passwd' to set up roots password
[07:51] <Ironfrost> DaBlade - your user password is already your root password
[07:51] <Ironfrost> there's no such thing as logging in as root
[07:51] <dr_willis> neighborlee,  ive seen a few apps that  have pulled that 'fast' one.
[07:51] <DaBlade> Well I've gotten used to using my own root password in Fedora
[07:51] <DaBlade> and habits are hard to break
[07:52] <dr_willis> DaBlade,  :P thats one of the first things I change.
[07:52] <Kerr> Nalioth: I mean, i'm currently using Debian sarge. What advantages does Ubuntu hold?
[07:52] <spunout> OK, so, unfortunately, I need to install windows on /hda1 , and I have ubuntu on /sda1 , and windows will wipe out my bootloader.  How do i prepare?
[07:52] <spunout> Kerr, for me, stuff works better in ubuntu, drivers and integration
[07:53] <spunout> printing works easily out of the box, even network printing...
[07:53] <holycow> Kerr, basically its just debian unstable, with a bit of polish applied so stuff works
[07:53] <holycow> 2000 packages are officially supported so you can actually buy support for it
[07:53] <spunout> if you can make debian work smoothly, then it's probably working well for you
[07:53] <holycow> basically its meant for desktop use, if you want servers use debian
[07:54] <holycow> and what spunout said i agree with
[07:54] <osh> If I have the live-cd, is there a smooth way to install onto the HD from that?
[07:54] <dr_willis> Hmm.. that NERO-Linux version dosent have a dvd player. :(
[07:54] <drspi1> Food for thought: the amount of information that is being shared today has increased exponetially over the last hundreds of years -- the most noticeable being in the last 50 years -- in contrast, there have been similar trends of information being closed off -- the most noticeable being in the last 50 years.
[07:54] <drspi1> LOL
[07:54] <holycow> for desktop workload, lots of little things are taken care of so you don't haveto do it for your self
[07:54] <holycow> althought gnome2.10 has gone a long way to make things 'just' work as well
[07:54] <drspi1> "...last hundreds of years..."
[07:55] <dr_willis> Now a days - it seems people rant and rave about 'little trivial' things in linux. :P    "my icon is ugly... ect' :P
[07:55] <holycow> drspi1, exponential growth of information is a little overstated imho
[07:55] <tosti> hello :)
[07:55] <dr_willis> I rember when just getting a CDRW working was a kernel-recompile and a days worth of reading! Ya Spoiled Youngens!
[07:55] <Nalioth> Kerr, i find ubuntu to be on the "debian beyond unstable" in some aspects
[07:55] <drspi1> holycow: if you want servers run BSD -- exponential growth in information sharing
[07:56] <neighborlee> dr_willis, heh yeah
[07:56] <Choubaka> dr_willis: hey, linux is supposed to be perfect.
[07:56] <GammaRay> if you want servers run _______!
[07:56] <Reblended> anyone having problems with the net? its really slow here...
[07:57] <drspi1> Reblended: where's here?
[07:57] <Justin> depends what you consider slow
[07:57] <Reblended> drspi1, seattle
[07:57] <Kerr>  my main gribe with debian, is that getting usb devices to work is like pulling teeth. In sarge, at least. I've a cd writer that simply won't work, and a webcam; too. Would they be any more likley to function under ubuntu ?
[07:57] <neighborlee> does anyone know how to get gimp printing to work?..I click 'print' but the printer never gets anything ..and my printer is indeed showing up as selected model...???
[07:58] <antonio_> Reblended: http://www.internettrafficreport.com/main.htm
[07:58] <Mace68> can someone recommend a good cd/dvd burning program for gnome?
[08:00] <warty> can you burn the ubuntu isos onto a dvd?
[08:00] <kimo> Mace68, k3b :) lol
[08:00] <Nalioth> kerr, i have heard good things about ubuntus ability to play well with others
[08:00] <Ocid> Mace68: gnomebaker
[08:00] <Nalioth> kerr, i run a PPC ubuntu thang, and can't answer your ??s directly
[08:01] <Mace68> i like K3B but it looks funnt in my gnome environment
[08:01] <dr_willis> "Plays well with others"  "Runs with Sissors"   :P
[08:01] <Mace68> funnt=funny
[08:02] <warty> i can't find any blank disks, can i burn an iso onto a dvd?
[08:02] <kimo> Mace68, xcdroast
[08:02] <Ironfrost> Mace68 - Graveman
[08:02] <tosti> a have a question: my soundcard doesnt work well...
[08:02] <Mace68> I'll check these out, thanks everyone :)
[08:03] <tosti> when i try to launch mpg123 it says: "Can't open libao driver with device /dev/audio (is device in use?)"
[08:04] <Gir__> tosti, Try: lsof | grep -i /dev/audio
[08:05] <Nalioth> warty, burn it onto anything you like, it will all read and waste 4.0+gb
[08:06] <osh> Can I install ubuntu from a livecd or do I need the install-cd?
[08:06] <spunout> OK, so running ubuntuAMD64, and will need to zap my bootloader to install another os, then restore it.  How?
[08:06] <spunout> Live CD's don't seem to work on this motherboard.
[08:06] <spunout> I need a bootable floppy image with grub or lilo, right?
[08:07] <spunout> tomsrtbt doesn't have grub, could I boot off of it, then have grub on a different floppy?
[08:07] <drspi1> Reblended: There was a redback outage for a little while in northern CA last night... maybe you're stuck in the offshoot
[08:08] <spunout> osh, you need the install-cd
[08:08] <ubuntu----> hi everyone i have a newbie question
[08:08] <Nalioth> osh, you need the install cd
[08:08] <Delph> spunout: if you can't boot off a CD, nothing stops you booting off a floppy then sticking the CD in the drive.
[08:08] <drspi1> Reblended: but perhaps it didn't affect you at all --
[08:08] <osh> Argh!
[08:08] <Ironfrost> spunout - did you look in the bios settings?
[08:09] <Ironfrost> I don't know any modern ones that won't boot from CD
[08:09] <Ironfrost> but for some that's not the default behaviour
[08:09] <kdunn__> Hi!  I'm trying to get RealPlayer 10 working on my ubuntu box, and while it installed properly, it only plays audio, even with streaming video.  There's no error -- it just makes a black box.  Any ideas?
[08:09] <ubuntu----> i run the live cd, everything is fine, i am using ubuntu live cd now, but, how to install ubuntu to my hard disk?
[08:09] <DrSpin> YAY!
[08:09] <DrSpin> finally
[08:09] <spunout> Ironfrost, what for?  The liveCD's don't work becasue of a motherboard incompatability, this is a n-force or g-force 4 that needs the forcedeth module loaded into the kernel
[08:10] <jkka> kdunn__: you know that you dont need realplayer to watch realmedia vids?
[08:10] <osh> ubuntu----: Apparently you need the install cd too.
[08:10] <Ironfrost> spunout - ah, I thought you meant it wouldn't boot from CD (?)
[08:10] <kdunn__> jkka: What should I use instead.  I was just looking for the simplest option :)
[08:10] <spunout> ubuntu---- turn off the computer, remove the live cd, and install the install cd
[08:10] <jkka> I use totem/xine for all my video needs
[08:10] <jkka> its all about the codecs
[08:11] <spunout> do I simply need the file grub-install to install grub?
[08:11] <jkka> follow the ubuntu unofficial starter guide
[08:11] <ubuntu----> oh, so i should download an install cd, live cd doesnt work for install
[08:11] <spunout> oh wait, boot off of tomsrtbt, chroot to /dev/sda1 , then run grub-install...
[08:11] <kdunn__> jkka: I will look at that.  Thanks!
[08:11] <spunout> hope tomsrtbt has chroot.
[08:11] <Nalioth> ubuntu----, you need the install cd
[08:12] <ubuntu----> alright, thank you everyone i love you all :)
[08:13] <spunout> Ok, well I answered my own question, thanks y'all , the tomsrtbt and chroot will do it.
[08:15] <ricardomayer> Hi, I'm quite a newbie and I have problems adding a repository to my  /etc/apt/sources.list  file (it's CRAN , the website for the 'R' statistical project). R-FAQ says I should add this line to /etc/apt/sources.list : "deb http://cran.R-project.org/bin/linux/debian stable"  .... I did it, but later I got the error message: E: Malformed line 31 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (dist parse)
[08:15] <ricardomayer> E: The list of sources could not be read.  ................... WHAT'S WRONG?
[08:16] <buulian> try taking out the space in the line
[08:16] <buulian> in the url
[08:16] <ricardomayer> thanks, I'll try that
[08:16] <buulian> no prob
[08:17] <Ironfrost> is that really the answer?
[08:17] <Ironfrost> my sources.list has plenty of entries with spaces in
[08:17] <buulian> could be
[08:17] <buulian> urls don't work with spaces in them
[08:17] <two> hola
[08:18] <Ironfrost> buulian - it's not just a URL
[08:18] <buulian> yeah, i just found that
[08:18] <Ironfrost> for example, the first entry in mine is deb http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted
[08:18] <buulian> yeah
[08:18] <buulian> its the url though
[08:18] <buulian> that doesn't exist
[08:19] <buulian> i just tried it
[08:19] <dr_willis> http://cran.R-project.org/bin/linux/debian     - seems Odd to have a /bin/ in there
[08:19] <bramme> guys, one simple question: i'll have to reinstall debian, but i am thinking about taking ubuntu... what's the difference ?
[08:19] <buulian> ricardomayer: what distro are you using
[08:19] <holycow> anyone here use ubuntu/debian/gnome for their workstation at their job?
[08:19] <ricardomayer> oh .... maybe it's upper case R whta's wrong
[08:19] <ricardomayer> Hoary 5.4
[08:19] <spiral> ho
[08:19] <spiral> hi sorry
[08:19] <buulian> ok
[08:20] <holycow> i'm finding that the more i use it and the more profficient i become that i am far more productive than i ever was on windows
[08:20] <Sunneh> People: What's the default root password?
[08:20] <buulian> ricardomayer
[08:20] <spiral> ricardomayer: 5.04
[08:20] <holycow> its really amazing
[08:20] <buulian> try this url
[08:20] <buulian> http://cran.r-project.org/bin/linux/debian/stable/
[08:20] <ricardomayer> yup :)
[08:20] <spiral> Sunneh: no root... use sudo
[08:20] <ricardomayer> ok
[08:20] <Sunneh> i need to change the root password
[08:20] <Sunneh> i forgot how to do it last time.
[08:21] <ricardomayer> buulian: i tried that url and doesnt work either
[08:21] <buulian> hmm
[08:21] <buulian> strange
[08:21] <alex> 44t
[08:21] <Determinist> how do i know which services are running on an ubuntu system? ie. httpd , sshd etc ?
[08:21] <draek> The whole root thing in Ubuntu is weird to say the least...
[08:21] <spiral> Sunneh: sudo passwd root... But you don't need it normally
[08:21] <buulian> did you add the "stable" on the end?
[08:21] <Sunneh> thanks spiral
[08:21] <ricardomayer> deb http://cran.r-project.org/bin/linux/debian stable      <-  that's the line I have now in source.list
[08:21] <Sunneh> :)
[08:21] <spiral> Determinist: by default, non... But you can nmap your host if you want
[08:21] <martinhj> Determinist: System monitor or terminal -> $ ps aux
[08:22] <Determinist> thanks
[08:22] <Ocid> Sunneh: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/root
[08:22] <draek> Ubuntu needs a Services UI for starting/stopping and adding/removing from the list of all runlevels (like fedora core)
[08:22] <Janux> how do I load a program as daemon? is it ./gdesklets &    ?
[08:23] <martinhj> Determinist: and if you mean network services you can use terminal -> netsat
[08:23] <buulian> ricardomayer: http://cran.r-project.org/bin/linux/debian/stable/ stable
[08:23] <synd> hey, how do i restart ALSA
[08:23] <buulian> it might twork
[08:23] <meu> ol
[08:23] <synd> my sound is messing up
[08:23] <martinhj> spiral: try man netstat
[08:23] <Determinist> martinhj, well , i've just moved from the fedora core to 5.04 today , i'm used to having "services --status-all" , no equivalent thing here?
[08:24] <ricardomayer> buulian: no 'deb' before the url?
[08:24] <spiral> martinhj: I know netstat, you might me adressing Determinist
[08:24] <meu> is there someone who knows wath's going on with xmms on the last distribution of Ubuntu?
[08:24] <spiral> Determinist: see netstat
[08:24] <Ironfrost> meu - why, what's wrong with it?
[08:24] <nydust> do any use the zope and plone install form apt-get?
[08:24] <buulian> sorry
[08:24] <buulian> yes
[08:24] <Janux> hi I want to run a program in the background, do I put "&" at the end of my command?
[08:24] <buulian> deb http://cran.r-project.org/bin/linux/debian/stable/ stable
[08:25] <kimo> Janux, lol yeah
[08:25] <buulian> multitasking,
[08:25] <Janux> kimo, just that?
[08:25] <dr_willis> Bash 101 :P
[08:25] <Blissex> Janux: or prefix it with 'nohup' depending which effect you want to achieve.
[08:25] <kimo> Janux, yep!
[08:25] <martinhj> Determinist: no, not that I'm aware of
[08:25] <kimo> Janux, yeah I think u mean nohup as well!
[08:25] <Janux> Blissex, nohump? what's that?
[08:25] <kimo> Janux, nohup longapp &
[08:25] <dr_willis> Thats what you tell the dog!
[08:25] <kdunn__> jkka: How about mplayer.  Will the mplayer plugin work with embedded realmedia/wmv on news sites and such?
[08:26] <Blissex> Janux: 'man nohup'
[08:26] <dr_willis> kdunn__,  works good for me :P
[08:26] <kimo> Janux, app continues to work if u log out
[08:26] <Determinist> martinhj, so no way to administering the services the system runs without having to edit 200 conf files?
[08:26] <Janux> Blissex, ic ....
[08:26] <kdunn__> dr_willis: Good, good.  I'll try that route then.
[08:26] <martinhj> Determinist: probably not:-) you could try some other solutions though
[08:26] <Determinist> martinhj, such as?
[08:26] <Janux> another question, if I want to run gdesklets as daemon once start x is loaded, how do I do that?
[08:26] <ricardomayer> buulian: nope :( ..... this command is what I run after changing the source.list     sudo apt-get install r-base r-recommended         and I keep getting the same error
[08:27] <buulian> that's really gay
[08:27] <dr_willis> ricardomayer,  you did do an apt-get update  after changeing the sources?
[08:27] <martinhj> Determinist: can't remember right now, but google is our oracle
[08:27] <mschiff> How can I configure fonts for gtk 1.4 apps?
[08:28] <nubbe> will there be any more updates for hoary except security?
[08:28] <ricardomayer> dr_willis:  oooops.... I see , the equivalent to reload in Synaptic, right? Nope, let me do that.
[08:28] <martinhj> martinhj: use debian as a keyword, instead of ubuntu
[08:28] <holycow> nubbe, probably not
[08:28] <nubbe> I just read http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/
[08:28] <dr_willis> ricardomayer,  yep - identical
[08:28] <martinhj> Determinist: try to use debian as a keyword, instead of ubuntu
[08:28] <nubbe> so that could be a good idea?
[08:28] <holycow> unless a security leak warrants a whole set of updates that could be called an upgrade
[08:29] <buulian> alright, i'm working on it
[08:29] <Determinist> martinhj, erm alright :) any real difference between .deb and .rpm tho? i know apt-get is what debian uses instead of yum or the many rpm handlers on redhat based systems
[08:29] <holycow> ubuntu is released every 6 months, why is there a need for backports?
[08:29] <synd> how do i disable ALSA?
[08:29] <nubbe> holycow, http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/ could bve a good idea? or is it not
[08:29] <Janux> another question, if I want to run gdesklets as daemon once start x is loaded, how do I do that?
[08:29] <ricardomayer> dr_willis:   sudo apt-get update
[08:29] <ricardomayer> E: Malformed line 31 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (dist parse)
[08:29] <nubbe> well FF 1.03 for example
[08:29] <holycow> Determinist, not much, but are basically zip files
[08:29] <holycow> Determinist, its the packaging systems surrounding them that do the important magic
[08:30] <holycow> nubbe, well someone obviously needs it, i don't get it my self
[08:30] <Determinist> holycow, of that , i am aware , i meant the rpm/deb databases and dependency handlers
[08:30] <nubbe> holycow, there must be ashitload of good stuff deved in those 6 mponths?
[08:30] <Ironfrost> ubuntu is released every 6 months, why is there a need for backports?  <--  if someone is running a server or suchlike with it and doesn't want downtime while they upgrade to hoary?
[08:31] <drcodedd2> Hi all
[08:31] <martinhj> Determinist: try to use aptitude or synaptic, and maybe from there try apt-*
[08:31] <drcodedd2> again
[08:31] <martinhj> just a tips
[08:31] <drcodedd2> I seccesfuly load my tape
[08:31] <holycow> Determinist, ah, basically rpm is not as comprehensive as dpkg from what i know, and rpm flavourse have spun off such as sue and mandrake basically diluting the rpm pool and making it hard for them to do dependency checking thoroughly
[08:31] <Determinist> martinhj, aptitude ~= yum?
[08:31] <holycow> Determinist, there is no reason why rpm could not be as strong as dpkg, it jsut isn't
[08:32] <martinhj> Determinist: try it in terminal.. never tried yum:-) but it's an frontend for apt
[08:32] <martinhj> realy easy to use
[08:32] <neighborlee> anyone know why icons dont usually show up on menus from adding a app/game from synaptic ?
[08:32] <Determinist> you guys are very helpful , thank you :)
[08:33] <GarySaved> I am setting up my repositories.  Should I have 'universe multiverse' in my Security Updates?
[08:33] <Janux> if I want to run gdesklets as daemon once start x is loaded, how do I do that?
[08:33] <kimo> Janux, using kde ?
[08:34] <Janux> kimo, gnome
[08:34] <Mace68> do I need anything besides gcc to be able to compile kernel modules? (i.e. vmware)
[08:34] <ricardomayer> still doesn't work...
[08:34] <neighborlee> GarySaved, someone feel free to correct me but I dont think there are security updates for those respositories....
[08:35] <GarySaved> O.K.  I saw the names did not expand when I added them, so I guess not.
[08:35] <fitheach> evening all
[08:36] <fitheach> How to do deal with bugs in multiverse packages? Are there ubuntu maintainers if them? Or do I immediately address the authors from debian?
[08:37] <kimo> Janux, sorry dunno
[08:37] <Determinist> erm , the ubuntu devs are really into python , arent they? lol
[08:37] <Janux> kimo, okay...thanks
[08:38] <fitheach> Determinist, seems so and it makes Ubuntu so charming :)
[08:38] <Janux> does anyone know if there is a shortcut key for Ubuntu Gnome console?
[08:39] <Determinist> Janux, should check the keyboard shortcuts under the prefs menu
[08:39] <ricardomayer> fixed! the FAQ said "deb http://cran.R-project.org/bin/linux/debian stable"    but I tried this instead and worked just fine: "deb http://cran.R-project.org/bin/linux/debian/stable ./"   :)
[08:39] <Janux> Determinist, thanks
[08:39] <ricardomayer> (well, lower case r)
[08:39] <richard> bonjour
[08:40] <GarySaved> Does anyone know if Breezy has stablized, yet?
[08:40] <Determinist> ok , so how does one get php easy around here? apt-get install php4 or php just didnt find anything and synaptic didnt either
[08:42] <fitheach> Determinist, how about installing libapache2-mod-php4?
[08:42] <tritium> GarySaved, Breezy won't be declared stable until October
[08:42] <fitheach> this should do it, Determinist.
[08:43] <fitheach> and also tried apt-get install php4 on my testmachine. It also worked fine....
[08:43] <ern1e> what do i have to do in order to get anjuta to let my main be a void function?
[08:44] <osh> Improvement hint for the livecd maintainer. I downloaded the livecd and booted from that. Then I found out that I need the installcd to install from so I tried downloading that, just to find out that availible space in "Home" is 550MiBi. That's slightly less than what's needed to download an iso and burn it.
[08:44] <dpro\> hey there
[08:45] <dpro\> i've got this little problem..
[08:45] <Sunneh> should this work?: mount /dev/hda3 /media/documents
[08:45] <dpro\> how can i make the module snd_atiixp_modem not load at startup?
[08:46] <ern1e> Sunneh - do the paths exist?
[08:46] <dpro\> Sunneh, yeah, if the mountpoint is created
[08:46] <resiak> dpro\: echo snd_atiixp_modem >> /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[08:46] <dpro\> resiak, thank you :)
[08:46] <Sunneh> it says that the mount point does not exist, yet it does
[08:46] <fitheach> Sunneh, if the device exists, the partion too and the directory also... sure.
[08:46] <fitheach> dpro\, put it in /etc/modules and that's it?
[08:47] <Sunneh> had to mkdir first :)
[08:48] <queuetue> How do I rerun Xorg congiuration? dpkg ...
[08:48] <Sunneh> how would i make it come up on "Computer" ?
[08:48] <tosti> jest ktos z polski? :D
[08:50] <doza> jest
[08:50] <osh> tosti: No. If that was a question if I speak polish.
[08:50] <tosti> :)
[08:50] <tosti> i was just curious :D
[08:50] <dpro\> well i do speak it, but i really cant write it well
[08:51] <GarySaved> If I install the menu editor from the guide, how do I get icons for the programs?
[08:51] <tosti> how can I change console keymap & font?
[08:52] <Reblended> all this talk of "enterprise" does this referr to big business or small business, or just business in general?
[08:54] <wwalker> what is the ubuntu cd burning app?  I can't find it to install
[08:54] <queuetue> wwalker, cdrecord
[08:54] <Xappe> try gnomebaker
[08:54] <GarySaved> Right now I just get an ugly window-looking icon.
[08:55] <wwalker> queuetue is there a gui on top of it.  I'm a command line person, but the command line for cdrecord is one ogf the few apps I use a gui for
[08:56] <ups> wwalker, try gnomebaker
[08:56] <queuetue> wwalker, I wouldn't know.  cdrecord is so simple...
[08:56] <wwalker> Xappe gnome-baker and gnomebaker are not found in ubuntu  (apt-get install gnomebaker)
[08:56] <Xappe> wwalker: enable universe
[08:56] <Sunneh> Anyone?
[08:56] <wwalker> s/ubuntu/ubuntu repositoruies/
[08:57] <Determinist> fitheach, pardon sir , but i have not been able to locate libapache2-mod-php4
[08:57] <fitheach> Determinist, what does synaptic provide, when you search for php?
[08:58] <Reblend3d> wwalker how about arson?
[08:58] <Sunneh> anyone know how to make a mounted drive show up in "Computer"???????????/
[08:58] <wwalker> Xappe I'm brand new to debian.  In what program should I "enable universe"?  I usually carefully add repositories (security is my primary skill, enable universe is a foreign concept, but this machien isn't running anything important and is isolated)
[08:58] <Determinist> fitheach, nothing , empty search , no packages found
[08:58] <fitheach> Hm... Determinist, wait a minute I check on my system. may be I had to configure something for it.
[08:58] <dalbjerg> hello, i have always use lilo, som bootmanager. But Ubuntu use Grub. How do i update my bootmanager when i have made changes to the menu.lst file ?
[08:58] <Determinist> fitheach, alright , thanks
[08:59] <kkathman> wwalker: take a look at your /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:59] <Sunneh> anyone know how to make a mounted drive show up in "Computer"???????????/
[08:59] <kkathman> wwalker: there should be entries there already, you just have to remove the comments.
[08:59] <Sunneh> anyone know how to make a mounted drive show up in "Computer"???????????/
[09:00] <scizzo> Sunneh: we saw the question the first time you asked
[09:00] <Sunneh> Just making sure.
[09:00] <wwalker> kkathman see it, done.   I was trying to stick with the supported ubuntu stuff to see if the distro was usable for corporate deployment.  not yet....
[09:00] <markuman> is chown only for files or for folders too?
[09:00] <Xappe> Sunneh: mount it in /media and use the "user" option in fstab...
[09:01] <Sunneh> Xappe: I'm new. How would i do the latter part?
[09:01] <Delph> wwalker: just make your own repository for inside the company: you can then pick and choose from the other packages available, and vet them as they come in.
[09:01] <kkathman> wwalker: I take stuff from universe all the time, it just means that most of that stuff is supported, but just outside the realm of ubuntu peeps
[09:01] <Xappe> Sunneh: for the name of the mount to be correct you may have to do a /etc/init.d/dbus-1 restart after each gnome login
[09:01] <aimaz> markuman, it is for folders too
[09:02] <fitheach> Determinist, well on my system (Hoary) it is located in section "Internet" in synaptic. I am using vanilla Ubuntu Hoary and just added restricted. But it ought to be available on your system.
[09:02] <markuman> aimaz, can you say me how?
[09:02] <sudean> i finally was able to load utuntu after 150 tries. Now my web browser is not working.
[09:02] <fitheach> Determinist, what does your /etc/apt/sources.list look like?
[09:02] <markuman> tell me... :-/
[09:02] <Sunneh> Xappe: Yeah, as I said I'm new - that didn't mean anything to me. Sorry.
[09:02] <aimaz> markuman, hang on I'll find a guide for you
[09:03] <wwalker> Delph, the point is to get paid support and leave me out of 99% of everything.  Today though I need my notebooks CD burner to work :)
[09:03] <aimaz> markuman, http://www.tldp.org/linuxfocus/English/January1999/article77.html read this, it should tell you everything you need to know
[09:03] <sudean> i also can't get into ubuntu update manager. what is the password?
[09:03] <Delph> wwalker: hah =:)
[09:03] <markuman> ok thx
[09:03] <jonix> Sunneh: what kind of drive do you want to mount?
[09:03] <Delph> sudean: it's your password.
[09:03] <Determinist> fitheach, havent had a look at it yet , brb tho , i'll check
[09:03] <fitheach> kk
[09:03] <internet2_> plz, really need help, i cannot have my ubuntu X working, after the install if fail start x
[09:03] <sudean> i tried my password. it doesn't work
[09:03] <internet2_> what should i look?
[09:04] <Delph> haha =:)
[09:04] <DrSpin> WTF is up with archspace.org ??
[09:04] <DrSpin> LOL
[09:04] <sudean> why are there so many security features on this operating system
[09:04] <Janux> does anyone know which MP3 player support UTF-8? because the MP3 players that come with Ubuntu can't show my language
[09:04] <sudean> i thought it is suppose to be user friendly
[09:05] <Reblend3d> sudean, what do you mean security features?
[09:05] <jonix> Sunneh: is it a removable medium or a hard disk?
[09:05] <sudean> another good question. my computer can't play mp3, wma, etc.
[09:06] <Determinist> fitheach, no internet section under synaptic here
[09:06] <jinx> dpkg-reconfigure locales -> is it the way you change the default system charset?
[09:06] <sudean> i try to get into my programs to delete some and it requires a password
[09:06] <fitheach> Determinist, strange...
[09:07] <sudean> i also try to update my time and date and it also requires a password.
[09:07] <fitheach> Determinist, can you paste me your sources.list in a query? there must be something wrong with it...
[09:07] <sudean> which doesn't work
[09:07] <kkathman> sudean should be the one you used when you installed
[09:07] <Determinist> fitheach, http://rafb.net/paste/results/RlAoub60.html
[09:08] <internet2_> plzzz
[09:08] <sudean> tired sudean as password. does't work
[09:08] <djm62> :)
[09:08] <fitheach> Determinist, guess I found it... moment please. :)
[09:08] <internet2_> where are these stupid log
[09:08] <Determinist> k :)
[09:08] <kkathman> was that the password you use when you installed, or the name?
[09:09] <|QuaD-> anyone here using freenet6?
[09:09] <GarySaved> What is the difference between Azureus, and the Gnome BitTorrent that comes with Ubuntu?
[09:09] <sudean> why is my firefox browser stalling. it's not loading up. I tried to download explorer and the executable file would not open
[09:09] <thundrcleeze> internet explorer?
[09:09] <sudean> nothing seems to work on this operating system
[09:09] <fitheach> Determinist, okay.. here we go. Comment out the line with the Ubuntu CD. Just put an # in front of it. Then insert "deb http://il.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted" into it. do apt-get update and then apt-get install php4 ... this should do it.
[09:10] <Janux> does anyone know which MP3 player support UTF-8? because the MP3 players that come with Ubuntu can't show my language
[09:10] <djm62> :)
[09:10] <jinx> dpkg-reconfigure locales -> is it the way you change the default system charset?
[09:10] <sudean> i thought this is suppose to be tech support
[09:10] <djm62> sudean: this is all volunteers ;)
[09:10] <fitheach> Determinist, background is... php4 is part of Ubuntu in general, but not on the cd. And synaptic browses your local "database".
[09:10] <kkathman> sudean: I think you made a few errors in installation, you will need to make sure you have a working logon name and password, because in ubuntu there is no root...you use the command "sudo" with a password
[09:10] <jinx> sudean
[09:10] <jinx> you downloaded explorer?
[09:10] <Determinist> fitheach, i see
[09:10] <djm62> sudean: and internet explorer doesn't work on windows, never mind ubuntu :)
[09:11] <jinx> which explorer?
[09:11] <synd> djm62: haha.
[09:11] <kkathman> sudean:  And I have ubuntu running fine on 3 computers so, it IS a good OS :)
[09:11] <jinx> ir sure is
[09:11] <jinx> it
[09:11] <sudean> i did have a problem loading ubuntu
[09:11] <synd> fuck IE.. hell fuck XP for that matter.
[09:11] <kkathman> djm62: give it up man, its a lost cause :)
[09:12] <sudean> It froze during the installation all night. I must have partitioned and formated my hardrive over 150 times
[09:12] <kkathman> XP = Xtra Pain
[09:12] <djm62> 0_0
[09:12] <joe|code> sweet I found my Neuromancer audiobook.
[09:12] <djm62> sudean: where are you at now?
[09:12] <synd> xp = xtremely POINTLESS
[09:13] <sudean> in front of my computer. what do you mean
[09:13] <GarySaved> djm62, You can not run any M$ programs from any Linux.
[09:13] <kkathman> sudean: are you on a dual system or is that box dedicated to linux?
[09:13] <fitheach> Determinist, did it work for you?
[09:13] <sudean> dedicated to linux
[09:13] <scizzo> sudean: just so you know....firefox _is_ a better browser
[09:13] <djm62> sudean: I meant, what exactly isn't working, what do you do before it fails to work, so we know how to help you ;)
[09:13] <synd> scizzo: of course
[09:14] <kkathman> sudean: then when you install, you should just take the defaults on the partitioning and let the install do it for you
[09:14] <sudean> i believe you . i just can't get firefox to load up. it stalls
[09:14] <scizzo> sudean: what does the terminal tell you when you start it from there?
[09:14] <djm62> GarySaved: wine, mate, but even wine doesn't debug microsoft code ;)
[09:14] <Determinist> fitheach, still playing with it , one moment please
[09:14] <Thorrn4> does anyone kno how to d/l Pygames through Apt-get?
[09:14] <sudean> tries every boot combination offered last night.
[09:14] <scizzo> sudean: the profile might be broken
[09:14] <fitheach> Determinist, no need to hurry. I was just curious. :)
[09:14] <dpro\> ohh a question more... if i want to load a module at startup, which file should i edit then?
[09:14] <joe|code> It stalled for me also when I linked the java plugins to it. I linked the wrong plugin and Firefox would no longer start.
[09:15] <scizzo> sudean: might be another firefox process running also
[09:15] <joe|code> So I linked the proper plugin and tada! all better.
[09:15] <djm62> joe|code: did you remove the link?
[09:15] <joe|code> yes
[09:15] <Determinist> fitheach, yes sir , it did work , thank you very much :)
[09:15] <sudean> the profiles probably is broken. I can't seem to get a clean install. despite over 150 tries
[09:15] <fitheach> Determinist, fine. I am pleased I could help you.
[09:15] <Determinist> :)
[09:15] <scizzo> sudean: but the install is not the same thing as starting firefox
[09:15] <djm62> sudean: you should have hit IRC sooner and saved a few of those tries
[09:16] <sudean> no other firefox process is running
[09:16] <scizzo> sudean: ok...so what exactly is the problem...booting or starting firefox?
[09:16] <sudean> could not get my computer running to do that
[09:16] <djm62> sudean: can you open up a terminal? (right-click on the desktop)
[09:16] <Determinist> clear
[09:16] <sudean> terminal opened
[09:17] <Thorrn4> does anyone kno how to, in Linux, d/l Pygames through Apt-get?
[09:17] <djm62> sudean: can you type "mozilla-firefox" and press enter/return
[09:17] <aeho> Does anybody here have experience of using openGogear
[09:17] <kkathman> Thorrn4: have you verified its in your repositories with apt-cache search Pygames ?
[09:17] <djm62> sudean: and the terminal should give some clues as to what's going wrong
[09:18] <dpro\> if i want to load a module at startup, which file should i edit then?
[09:18] <sudean> nothing is happening
[09:18] <dpro\> pwease answer my question
[09:19] <GammaRay> dpro\: assuming kernel modules, put it's name in /etc/modules
[09:19] <Thorrn4> kkathman, it does not do anything
[09:19] <fitheach> dpro\, as I said before. add it to /etc/modules
[09:19] <djm62> sudean: can you now type "pkill mozilla-firefox"
[09:20] <kkathman> Thorrn4: Then you probably need to find where Pygames is...Its not in any of the ubuntu repos cuz I just checked
[09:20] <dpro\> fitheach, ehh ok
[09:20] <Thorrn4> I found it "apt-get install python2.4-pygame"
[09:20] <tanek> whats the unmask command for vfat? i have rw,user,unmask=000 :S
[09:20] <djm62> if only there was a secure way to use remote desktop for help... :-/
[09:20] <sudean> done
[09:20] <Thorrn4> thanx for ur time kkathman sorry
[09:20] <djm62> sudean: now try mozilla-firefox again
[09:20] <smott> is there any special reason why ubuntu can't see files that were burned in windows as 'hidden' on a DVD-R?
[09:20] <kkathman> Thorrn4: np good luck
[09:21] <catfox> hey guys
[09:21] <drcodedd2> How I can format new driver ?
[09:21] <drcodedd2> How I can format new drive ?
[09:21] <sudean> done
[09:21] <aeho> I have problem with opengogear, it says: "find: ./gogear_add: No such file or directory"
[09:21] <djm62> smott: have you tried "show hidden" in view (IIRC)?
[09:21] <catfox> i've just bought a wireless bridge, so i can use my laptops' wireless cards, which mode do i set the router in? Ad-hoc or infrastructure?
[09:21] <sudean> firefox is still stalling upon startup
[09:22] <djm62> catfox: infrastructure
[09:22] <djm62> sudean: are there no messages appearing in the terminal?
[09:22] <sudean> none
[09:22] <Mace68> is there a howto or something on compiling a custom kernel for ubuntu? I want to change my processor type from i686 tp pentium 4. I managed to get make menuconfig working but when I go to make the kernel it errors out:
[09:22] <catfox> djm62, cheers. i've tried that mode, but when i scan for wireless ap's, the device doesn't show up
[09:22] <Mace68> root@drifter:/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.10-5-686-smp # make
[09:22] <smott> djm62: not even ls can see the files, so i don't think it has anything to do with gnome
[09:22] <Mace68>   CHK     include/linux/version.h
[09:22] <Mace68> make[1] : *** No rule to make target `init/main.o', needed by `init/built-in.o'.  Stop.
[09:22] <Mace68> make: *** [init]  Error 2
[09:22] <Mace68> root@drifter:/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.10-5-686-smp #
[09:22] <catfox> djm62, it only gets listed in ad-hoc mode, but then i can't connect to it
[09:23] <tanek> what boot option to unmask vfat? unmask= something :S :P forgetful
[09:23] <djm62> catfox: it probably isn't broadcasting ESSID...can you enter it manually?
[09:23] <catfox> djm62, on the devices web interface?
[09:23] <Xappe> tanek, do you mean umask?
[09:24] <drcodedd2> how can I format etx3 /dev/hdb?
[09:24] <GammaRay> tanek: try fmask=111,dmask=000
[09:24] <djm62> catfox: there'll probably be a default one set, you'll be able to change it through the web interface, and the one on your computer has to match it
[09:24] <djm62> sudean:
[09:24] <GammaRay> tanek: similar but better than umask
[09:24] <djm62> d'oh!
[09:25] <tanek> GammaRay: thx
[09:26] <catfox> djm62, i've got the SSID set to linux-nwrk, in infrastructure mode. does that sound right?
[09:26] <thomasg> da bin ich wieder ;)
[09:27] <djm62> catfox: sounds fine
[09:27] <catfox> djm62, hmmm, still not showing up in a iwlist eth1 sd
[09:28] <catfox> djm62, hmmm, still not showing up in a iwlist eth1 scan *
[09:28] <spawn> anyone know any really good webhosts?
[09:28] <djm62> catfox: iwconfig eth1 essid linux-nwrk
[09:28] <Delph> spawn: meee
[09:28] <Delph> lol; was joking.
[09:28] <spawn> lol
[09:28] <spawn> ...meh
[09:28] <Mace68> has anybody recompiled their ubuntu kernel?
[09:28] <Delph> next line was "give me all your money, and i'll give you horrible tech support over email"
[09:29] <spawn> lol
[09:29] <Delph> that and you probably don't want a host in the UK.
[09:29] <Thorrn4> Can someone please tell me the Apt-get for gDesklets or a site that will name the Apt-get codes
[09:29] <spawn> lol
[09:29] <djm62> biggest data server in the world, london
[09:29] <Delph> djm62: with the best powersupplies in the world >.<
[09:30] <hendershot> i built E17 from CVS on up to date UBUNTU,
[09:30] <djm62> ?!?!?/?oblique?
[09:30] <GammaRay> Thorrn4: gdesklets is in universe
[09:30] <Thorrn4> ??? what does that mean?
[09:30] <Zdra> hi ! i'm trying to setup a package repository but apt-get check package's signature .... where is the option to desactivate that ?
[09:31] <m1chael> if i wanted to replace a string using a regexp replace... on every single file in a particular dir... how would i do it? sed '/replacement/string/g' *
[09:31] <Delph> m1chael: that would output them to stdout.
[09:31] <hendershot> i cannot build engrave and part of the EFL for E17 and it is a UBUNTU thing
[09:31] <hendershot> can anyone help?
[09:31] <m1chael> i know, thats why i haven't written it yet
[09:31] <Delph> m1chael: you need to redirect them to a file; or use perl and the 'work in place' option, or something.
[09:31] <m1chael> ohh
[09:32] <hendershot> i get an error, edevelop felt perhaps it is byacc not installed or bison but i have all that
[09:32] <hendershot> so i am stumped? has anyone ran into this before?
[09:32] <Delph> for file in `ls *.txt`; do sed ... $file > $file.new; done ... then check that all the .new files are how you want them, then mmv all the .new's to the originals.
[09:32] <topyli> hendershot: the question is: who can help with getting e17 ready? there are hungry E lovers around :)
[09:32] <GammaRay> Thorrn4: that means you should check /etc/apt/sources.list to make sure you have a line like this "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary main restricted universe multiverse"
[09:33] <NigelS> I see the both openoffice 2 and the 1.1 are avail from the hoary repos - would anyone recommend oo 2 particularly over 1.1, ? much of an advantage?
[09:33] <GammaRay> Thorrn4: you probably do minus the universe and multiverse lines
[09:33] <Delph> djm62: catfox?
[09:33] <GammaRay> Thorrn4: words (not lines)
[09:33] <Thorrn4> I added new lines to the source list
[09:33] <kkathman> Thorrn4: apt-get instal gdesklets
[09:33] <djm62> the guy with the wireless trouble
[09:33] <hendershot> topyli, i built e17 and all the programs except the ones that depend on engrave in libs
[09:33] <kkathman> Thorrn4: oops install
[09:34] <catfox> djm62, stillo here, but not connected to my bridge
[09:34] <hendershot> you can succesfully build from CVS, topyli, it is the last lib engrave that doesn't build
[09:34] <hendershot> i posted the config.log if someone wants to look at it
[09:34] <kkathman> Thorrn4: to find those things, just do an apt-cache search <pkg name>
[09:34] <topyli> hendershot: there's even an e17 on ubuntu howto around. i don't have a link but i've seen it :)
[09:34] <topyli> hendershot: not that i've tried it. you know more than i do
[09:34] <Thorrn4> apt-cache, oh ok
[09:35] <topyli> Thorrn4: after apt-get update of course
[09:36] <SoNiCintuitION> what is the terminal command to modify file attributes? :-/
[09:36] <topyli> chmod
[09:36] <Xappe> chmod
[09:36] <SoNiCintuitION> Thank you
[09:36] <Thorrn4> where do I go to run the program?
[09:36] <cikilin> i have two ide one with ubuntu and another with xp(3 partitions 2 fat and one ntfs) and i cant mount the xp one to see it so please help me if anybody want to
[09:36] <jinx> dpkg-reconfigure locales -> is it the way you change the default system charset? how to check if the new charset is set?
[09:37] <topyli> Thorrn4: which one? you don't go anywhere, you just run it, the command should be in your path
[09:37] <GammaRay> lets not forget cggrp,chown and setfacl
[09:37] <GammaRay>  chgrp rather
[09:37] <fitheach> n8
[09:37] <kkathman> Thorrn4: Do a whereis on the program....like   whereis pygames or something like that...typically in /usr/bin or the like
[09:37] <topyli> jinx: you see the situation with "locale"
[09:37] <ja5on> cikilin: http://ubuntuguide.org/#listmounteddevices
[09:37] <jinx> de_DE.UTF-8
[09:37] <jinx> everywhere
[09:38] <topyli> jinx: is that what you want?
[09:38] <cikilin> ja5on i read there and i only see one partition
[09:38] <jinx> but i set en_US.UTF-8
[09:38] <Thorrn4> root@dynamo:/home/roger # whereis pygames
[09:38] <Thorrn4> pygames:
[09:38] <topyli> jinx: with dpkg-reconfigure? you may need to logout, perhaps even reboot
[09:38] <Thorrn4> where exactly do I go?
[09:39] <topyli> Thorrn4: pygames has several programs, none of them called pygames
[09:39] <topyli> Thorrn4: try something like "pysol"
[09:39] <jinx> oh, i never tried logging out or even rebooting :
[09:39] <jinx> D
[09:39] <topyli> heh
[09:39] <drcodedd2> any one can tell me why in this site http://packages.ubuntu.com I get pkg updated then in apt-get?
[09:39] <drcodedd2> How I can tell apt-get to use this site?
[09:39] <djm62> catfox: http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux/Linux.Wireless.usage.html
[09:40] <Thorrn4> no...... topyli that did not work...
[09:40] <topyli> drcodedd2: in /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:40] <topyli> Thorrn4: might be wrong, it's been years since i've tried the pygames games
[09:40] <catfox> djm62, thasnks, i'll take a look at that
[09:40] <drcodedd2> what I put in this file
[09:40] <GammaRay> Thorrn4: zless /usr/share/doc/gdesklets/README.gz
[09:40] <jinx> now under 'locale' everything is en_US.UTF-8
[09:41] <topyli> drcodedd2: urrrf. see ubuntuguide.org on how to setup sources
[09:41] <jinx> shouldn't now the z be a 'y' and vice versa?
[09:41] <topyli> drcodedd2: no offence but this really is a FAQ
[09:41] <jinx> and system messages be english instead of german?
[09:42] <topyli> jinx: should be. are they not?
[09:42] <jinx> no
[09:42] <drcodedd2> k
[09:42] <topyli> jinx: sorry, i misunderstood
[09:42] <topyli> set LC_MESSAGES
[09:42] <topyli> jinx: in /etc/environment
[09:43] <jinx> LC_MESSAGES="en_US.UTF-8"
[09:43] <jinx> under 'locales'
[09:43] <jinx> -s
[09:43] <topyli> jinx: yeah, i have a mixed setup too. i want just a few things in the finnish locale, and the rest en_us
[09:43] <jinx> LANGUAGE="de_DE:de:en_GB:en"
[09:43] <jinx> this is in "environment"
[09:43] <topyli> jinx: i setup it in /etc/environment
[09:44] <topyli> no, just set LC_MESSAGES there
[09:44] <neighborlee> gnome panel just crashed ( like it sometimes did in hoary RC)...i'm running top but I dont see any real cpu spikes going on..how can I diagnose what is causing this ??
[09:44] <neighborlee> what happend is I just tried to start synaptic from the menu..and boom instant gnome-panel crash
[09:44] <neighborlee> thx anyone <
[09:44] <dalbjerg> hello, i have always use lilo, som bootmanager. But Ubuntu use Grub. How do i update my bootmanager when i have made changes to the menu.lst file ?
[09:45] <Thorrn4> GammaRay, I cannot find out how to load the program(s)
[09:45] <neighborlee> I just now tried: right click _ change destkop background.and it froze leaving the dialogue box showing...
[09:45] <topyli> jinx: this is confusing. let's see what you actually want. everything in en_us except messages in local language?
[09:45] <_axel> hmm, where the hell did my mozilla composer go in ubuntu?
[09:45] <jinx> for a test, i want erverything in english
[09:45] <GammaRay> Thorrn4: well I don't know either but that README seems to say how
[09:45] <jinx> at the moment all is german
[09:46] <topyli> jinx: ok this you can do with dpkg-reconfigure. generate both locales, and set us_english as default
[09:46] <b0ol> hi, how can i reinitialize my keyboard
[09:46] <GammaRay> Thorrn4: IE.. under section 5, Usage
[09:46] <cikilin> i have two ide one with ubuntu and another with xp(3 partitions 2 fat and one ntfs) and i cant mount the xp one to see it so please help me if anybody want to help me step by step i am a beginer in pc
[09:46] <b0ol> 
[09:46] <b0ol> its buggy
[09:46] <b0ol> i cant write big letters
[09:46] <jinx> i tried it
[09:46] <jinx> but when i start 'apt-get update' there is still some german
[09:47] <topyli> jinx: locale changes go deep. you'll have to reboot
[09:47] <jinx> ok, i will have a look
[09:47] <_axel> isnt the mozilla composer available in hoary?
[09:48] <topyli> _axel: should be in the mozilla-browser package
[09:48] <drcodedd2> cant get into that guide site
[09:48] <Thorrn4> GammaRay, I dont see it...nor do I get it
[09:48] <drcodedd2> realy what I need to put in source.lst so it will go to download from packges.ubuntu.com?
[09:48] <jinx> what will i have to do, if i just want to change ISO to UTF-8?
[09:49] <glassor> hi all, i can't hear mp3 in my ubuntu,but i have regular sounds , i installed xmms but it stuck when i try to play a song, any suggestions?
[09:49] <jinx> or use an english keymap?
[09:49] <_axel> topyli: and can it be installed side to side with firefox?
[09:49] <topyli> _axel: sure
[09:49] <Xappe> glassor: sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[09:49] <topyli> jinx: the keymap is a different story. as long as you generate both locales, you'll be OK
[09:50] <djm62> glassor: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats if you haven't already
[09:50] <jinx> why am i able to generate different locales at the same time?
[09:50] <foodcoman> Greetz
[09:50] <jinx> am i not able to use them "on the fly"?
[09:50] <cikilin> help
[09:51] <topyli> drcodedd2: sorry for the delay
[09:51] <topyli> the guide has been up and down lately
[09:51] <topyli> the same FAQ is in the ubuntu-faqguide package so you can get it by apt-get
[09:52] <topyli> and view it from the help from the menu
[09:52] <jinx> still german after a reboot
[09:52] <jinx> BUT
[09:52] <topyli> jinx: don't tell me things are worse :)
[09:52] <jinx> 'export LANGUAGE=en_US' made everything english
[09:52] <topyli> hrm
[09:53] <topyli> in that particular shell, yes
[09:53] <topyli> but you want to change all of the system
[09:53] <jinx> LANGUAGE="de_DE:de:en_GB:en"
[09:53] <jinx> its perhaps this line in /etc/environment
[09:54] <topyli> jinx: this corresponds to my LANGUAGE="en_FI:en_GB:en_US:en"
[09:54] <_axel> k, i got my composer back -- thanks topyli
[09:54] <topyli> hey, that's pretty fucked up :)
[09:54] <topyli> good :)
[09:55] <jinx> i think your entry is also some kind of weird :D
[09:55] <abstractism> anyone know a lot about x.org issues?
[09:55] <topyli> jinx: seems like my finnish locale in /etc/environment means i have no finnish in there :)
[09:55] <transgress> abstractism: it would help more if you would specify the issue
[09:55] <abstractism> cause I can't get fglrx to work
[09:55] <transgress> abstractism: what's it say?
[09:55] <topyli> jinx: LC_CTYPE and LC_PAPER are fi_FI@euro, that's all
[09:56] <abstractism> I'm getting errors that say there's no screen for the device
[09:56] <abstractism> here's fglrxinfo
[09:56] <k4rl> if I want to build an app that wants kdelibs4,
[09:56] <abstractism> abstractism@chiana:~$ fglrxinfo
[09:56] <abstractism> display: :0.0  screen: 0
[09:56] <abstractism> OpenGL vendor string: Mesa project: www.mesa3d.org
[09:56] <abstractism> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
[09:56] <abstractism> OpenGL version string: 1.2 (1.5 Mesa 6.2.1)
[09:56] <k4rl> is there anything special I need to do?
[09:56] <k4rl> or can I just apt-get install my way through dependencies?
[09:56] <slappy15> heck ya
[09:57] <transgress> abstractism: and you can't get the 3d to work huh?
[09:57] <abstractism> nope
[09:57] <topyli> jinx: i learned more than you did. i'll have to fix my locales one day =)
[09:57] <transgress> abstractism: nforce board by chance?
[09:57] <abstractism> pretty sure its VIA
[09:58] <GammaRay> thomasg: the steps.. 1) apt-get install gdesklets gdesklets-data 2) run gdesklets from accessories
[09:58] <transgress> hmm... well i've had the same problem abstractism ... i still haven't gotten it fixed, but i'm hoping i will with these new drivers
[09:58] <GammaRay> crap
[09:58] <jinx> :D
[09:58] <jinx> nice work topyli
[09:58] <topyli> hehe
[09:58] <topyli> sorry about that
[09:59] <topyli> jinx: all i know is my shells work well :\
[09:59] <jin> whats the command to check all the programs I have installed?
[09:59] <abstractism> transgress, I have an AMD AthlonXP 2800+, and gkrellm says processor load goes up to about 20-30% when I move the mouse back and forth across the screen
[09:59] <synd> anyone notice XMMS playing MP3's a little too fast?
[09:59] <abstractism> thats sad
[09:59] <topyli> jinx: then again, i'm more concerned about having the correct keymap so i get euro and  and stuff
[09:59] <transgress> abstractism: try using the xorg radeon drivers
[09:59] <Sunny|bbl> is anyone available to guide me step by step on editing my grub menu.lst?
[09:59] <Sunny|bbl> pm me
[10:00] <|QuaD-> i noticed in breezy-changes, it said the new mono has been uploaded. i noticed its updated if i browse into archive.ubuntu.com with ff, but when i try to update, it isn't working, any suggestions?
[10:00] <jinx> just wondered where to change it
[10:00] <abstractism> I have the fglrx drivers from ATI
[10:00] <jinx> do you know?
[10:00] <Fackamato> Sunny|bbl: this is a discussion channel, not a support channel.
[10:00] <abstractism> installed through synaptic
[10:00] <topyli> jinx: you can still believe me on /etc/environment :)
[10:00] <holycow> |QuaD-, just sit back and wait
[10:00] <transgress> abstractism: i figured that out... they don't seem to be working for you... you might try the xorg drivers...
[10:00] <jin> whats the command to check all the programs I have installed? anyone?
[10:00] <jinx> the keymap?
[10:01] <|QuaD-> holycow: it has been like 12 hours
[10:01] <jinx> i just have 2 lines in /etc/environment
[10:01] <Sunny|bbl> Fack: On the website it says to come here for technical help.
[10:01] <imek> Hi all, I'm trying to get gnome-volume-manager to eject a CD, but it keeps giving an error that eject must be set suid root.. I've chmod +s's the eject executable, but it still doesn't work.. any ideas?
[10:01] <topyli> jinx: hold on, this time i'll check the finnish-howto where i learned all this
[10:01] <Sunny|bbl> And i've been recieving technical help, as well as others, for 2 days now.
[10:01] <jupiterste> Hi Everyone, if I need to change a folder and all its enclosed items permissions all at once, how is that done?
[10:01] <transgress> hey abstractism did you use internal agpgart or not?
[10:01] <jinx> thx
[10:01] <jupiterste> I don't see a "apply to enclosed items in nautilus
[10:01] <jinx> won't go anywhere
[10:02] <Sunny|bbl> Anyone?
[10:02] <abstractism> I have internal agpgart on
[10:02] <abstractism> its a radeon 9800 pro
[10:03] <transgress> abstractism: try turning it off
[10:03] <Fackamato> Sunny|bbl: I don't care, typing "msg me" or similar is disrespectful.
[10:03] <abstractism> msg me!
[10:03] <glassor> i tryied apt-get install gstrea... he didn't find anything
[10:03] <abstractism> please?
[10:03] <abstractism> ;)
[10:03] <imek> please, does anyone know how I actually install something suid root?
[10:03] <transgress> glassor: use synaptic to search gstreamer
[10:04] <transgress> glassor: or apt-cache
[10:04] <Sunny|bbl> Fack: It's disrespectful? Am I offending anyone? No.
[10:04] <synd> my sound is playing a bit too fast.. ie. in XMMS, mp3's play a little fast..
[10:04] <slappy15> --prefix=$HOME
[10:04] <transgress> Sunny|bbl, Fackamato lets not bitch and moan... this is a help channel, not a bitch and moan channel.
[10:04] <topyli> jinx: so you want utf-8 like a modern person does? :)
[10:04] <synd> i dunno if its an ubuntu problem or XMMS problem
[10:04] <synd> anyone help?
[10:04] <jinx> i want to things:
[10:04] <senator32> how do i set the root password so i can "su" in console
[10:04] <Fackamato> Sunny|bbl: yeah you are, by saying that you want someone to privately help you, you want someone to spend time on you.
[10:05] <Fackamato> better to take it in the channel.
[10:05] <transgress> synd: sound card type?
[10:05] <imek> senator32: just use "sudo passwd"
[10:05] <synd> transgress: integrated
[10:05] <jinx> 1. i would like to know how i am able to switch between different charsets like iso and utf-8
[10:05] <Valentin-> which reason are there that sudo iwlist wlan0 scan return No scan result although the network exists?
[10:05] <Sunny|bbl> Fack: I'm sorry i'm depriving you of the 1 of 529 users of this channel.
[10:05] <Sunny|bbl> I will stop
[10:05] <transgress> synd: that doesn't help... give me more than that
[10:05] <Sunny|bbl> :|
[10:05] <synd> transgress: Intel 82801DB-ICH4 = card
[10:05] <topyli> jinx: yeah, like utf-8 is bad for mail and news and irc
[10:05] <jinx> 2. i would like to know how i am able to switch between different keymaps, for example german und english
[10:05] <synd> transgress: Realtek ALC202 rev 0  = chipset
[10:06] <transgress> Sunny|bbl, Fackamato you are both offending me by filling up a help channel with bitching and moaning.  take it to #bitchingandmoaning
[10:06] <transgress> synd: what program are you using for your sound in xmms?
[10:06] <abstractism> hey everyone
[10:06] <senator32> my usb tumb drive is seen and automatically mounted in GNOME but not kde, how can i get this to work in kde
[10:06] <abstractism> join me in #bitchingandmoaning
[10:06] <topyli> jinx: in gnome or in console? in console you're going to have to settle for having all the characters there
[10:06] <synd> transgress: ALSA ?
[10:06] <jinx> console
[10:06] <transgress> synd: try changing it to esd
[10:06] <gunny> anybody know how to to bass and treble working on an audigy using gnome-mixer?
[10:07] <synd> transgress: how do i kill alsa?
[10:07] <topyli> jinx: like the system messages and all?
[10:07] <transgress> synd: and if you killed esd to make alsa work, just start it back... and you don't kill alsa
[10:07] <jinx> everything
[10:07] <topyli> hrm
[10:07] <transgress> synd: just go into preferences... there is a drop down menu that has the different sound option
[10:07] <Valentin-> hey, which reason are there that sudo iwlist wlan0 scan return No scan result although the network exists?  help appreciated
[10:07] <abstractism> dang
[10:08] <abstractism> I think 3 other people went to my channel
[10:08] <topyli> jinx: in console, you can always do LC_ALL=something and it will change
[10:08] <jinx> want to switch between different languages and between different keyboard "layouts"
[10:08] <transgress> Valentin-: have you gotten the wireless to connect at all?
[10:08] <abstractism> and left
[10:08] <synd> transgress: theres no option like that in my Sound prefs..
[10:08] <jinx> LC_ALL is not set right now
[10:08] <abstractism> so I'm gonna bitch and moan here
[10:08] <abstractism> lol
[10:08] <Valentin-> transgress: yes it worked with my windows system before
[10:08] <transgress> synd: for xmms?  there is.  it's there... i assure you
[10:08] <topyli> jinx: and you can do "loadkeys fi-latin1" or something
[10:08] <synd> transgress: oh. you mean the prefs in XMMS?
[10:08] <transgress> Valentin-: i don't care about windows... i meant have you connected at all in linux... i'ma take that as a no...
[10:08] <transgress> synd: yeah heh
[10:09] <topyli> jinx: and it will affect that particular shell
[10:09] <Valentin-> transgress: sure over cable I could connect to my network
[10:09] <transgress> Valentin-: using ndiswrapper?
[10:09] <synd> transgress: i see no ESD option in the Audio I/O Plugins tab
[10:09] <mwh_> umh I notice that there is a package for eclipse in hoary called eclipse-nls-sdk, but why is eclipse itself not available in hoary?
[10:09] <transgress> synd: hold
[10:09] <Valentin-> transgress: no just using a normal 3com PCMCIA Ethernet card
[10:10] <jupiterste> Is there an "apply to enclosed items" for permissions in Ubuntu like there is in OS X?
[10:10] <transgress> Valentin-: is it supported under linux?  or do you need to use ndiswrapper?
[10:10] <transgress> Valentin-: because i'm thinking prism2's are about all we have w/o ndiswrapper...
[10:11] <Valentin-> transgress: I need to use ndiswrapper and I followed this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=113584&postcount=7
[10:11] <transgress> Valentin-: and not your ethernet card... your wireless... i don't care about ethernet either
[10:11] <jinx> loadkeys doesn't work
[10:12] <topyli> jinx: could be /usr/sbin/install-keymap
[10:12] <hendershot> so can anyone play .m4p files on UBUNTU?
[10:12] <hendershot> i got .m4a files working, no .m4p
[10:12] <Valentin-> transgress: then I did not connect with this card, no
[10:12] <transgress> Valentin-: try using the little gnome app that looks for networks... see if it see's it... it should be in the top right corner
[10:12] <nnonix> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=113584&postcount=7
[10:12] <topyli> jinx: i've had the same system for so many years i frankly don't remember how it's set up :\
[10:12] <nnonix> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=113584&postcount=7
[10:12] <gunny> hendershot: the way I got them to play was installing iTunes for Windows under Crossover office
[10:13] <hendershot> gunny wow
[10:13] <gunny> but it costs $
[10:13] <synd> transgress: ok
[10:13] <jinx> would be nice if i found a howto :D
[10:13] <topyli> gunny: heretic!
[10:13] <hendershot> so you bought crossover gunny?
[10:13] <Valentin-> transgress: I already used it, and it is configured properly, activated
[10:14] <gunny> my kid has some itunes songs  and as soon as I can get them converted, bye bye itunes lol
[10:14] <transgress> synd:  xmms-preferences-audio I/O plugins-(near the bottom of that section) Output Plugin-eSound Output Plugin
[10:14] <gunny> no I got  a 30 day free trial
[10:14] <topyli> jinx: i'm sure i read all this from somewhere. the finnish-howto is nice. isn't there a german-howto?
[10:14] <hendershot> interesting
[10:14] <synd> transgress: thats what im using, still playing a bit fast
[10:14] <jinx_> english howto would be also nice
[10:14] <topyli> hehe
[10:14] <abstractism> gunny, that stinks. itunes is one of the better quality supported mp3 players
[10:14] <transgress> Valentin-: did you check to see if it could find the network?
[10:15] <Valentin-> transgress: yes with sudo iwlist wlan0 scan
[10:15] <gunny> if it ever gets a true linux version, I'll be all over it
[10:15] <abstractism> I'm originally a mac geek
[10:15] <transgress> Valentin-: i meant did you check the gnome program to see if it could find it... i know you've done iwlist
[10:15] <gunny> I have a lombard notebook sitting right here on the desk lol
[10:15] <topyli> jinx: i say you should state your problem again so someone might pick it up instead of me :)
[10:15] <synd> abstractism: me too : )
[10:15] <Ironfrost> speaking of iTunes, are there any MP3 players for Linux that work on a library basis
[10:16] <abstractism> then slid over to windows for games, using windows fulltime totally pissed me off though
[10:16] <Ironfrost> XMMS is nice and all, but...
[10:16] <gunny> it runs hoary nicely too ;)
[10:16] <gunny> amaroK
[10:16] <jinx_> i will have a look :D
[10:16] <transgress> If you go to configure it, set it to dhcp if it is one, above that where it has the ESSID section see if the network is listed in that dropdown\
[10:16] <abstractism> BUT I really want an iMac G5
[10:16] <transgress> iMac's upgrade for shit
[10:16] <synd> Ironfrost: it would be so damn nice if apple ported iTunes to linux.. i mean they ported it to windows.. a linux port would be quite simple
[10:16] <abstractism> who cares
[10:16] <transgress> me
[10:16] <synd> abstractism: i have one
[10:16] <Valentin-> transgress: I can see no option to scan for available networks with this tool
[10:17] <abstractism> transgress, I don't care anymore
[10:17] <topyli> abstractism: worms armageddon doesn't run on macs. get windows for gaming :)
[10:17] <abstractism> topyli, fuck windows
[10:17] <synd> i have 3 mac minis, an iBook g4 and an iMac g5
[10:17] <transgress> Valentin-: is it listed in that gnome program?
[10:17] <gunny> so I have these treble and bass controls on my mixer that dorn't do anything...
[10:17] <transgress> your wireless
[10:17] <abstractism> I'll get back to windows when I can build an AMD64 box with SLI
[10:17] <kensai> abstractism, amen
[10:18] <Ironfrost> amaroK  <- it wants me to install half of KDE. Is there anything similar that doesn't have so many dependencies?
[10:18] <synd> abstractism: blah, put linux on that
[10:18] <kensai> abstractism, nah no windows not even in amd64
[10:18] <gunny> rhythmbox
[10:18] <Ironfrost> (or at least dependencies that I already have through Ubuntu)
[10:18] <Marble2> Ironfrost: not really, but amarok is fucking awesome, just install the kde libs
[10:18] <Ironfrost> fair enough
[10:18] <synd> i dont like kde
[10:18] <synd> xfce is the shit : p
[10:18] <transgress> Valentin-: because if it isn't showing up in that program, then it's a problem with ndis
[10:18] <Valentin-> transgress: no
[10:18] <abstractism> and from there I'll harden my network and make it so that damn windows box would have to hack its way to the internet
[10:18] <gunny> amaroK handles my 50 gig mp3 collection nicely
[10:18] <topyli> abstractism: you mentioned games anyway. windows is the system for that, if not for anything else
[10:18] <transgress> Valentin-: try doing the drivers by hand... you using x86?
[10:19] <Valentin-> yes
[10:19] <gunny> I have an Xbox for games that's microsoft enough for me
[10:19] <smo> Ironfrost: rhythmbox is library based? And should already be installed ("Music Player" in the menus).  It's handling ~17,000 tracks quite nicely here
[10:19] <abstractism> I have a modded xbox
[10:19] <kensai> topyli, wrong
[10:19] <abstractism> and a slim PStwo
[10:19] <abstractism> :-)
[10:19] <decon_> Can onesome please tell me how to editor the gnome menu ? without using the crappy app called menu editor ! omg it sucks
[10:19] <transgress> Valentin-: ima give you a link to a wiki that is about compiling them by hand for amd64, ignore the changes it says to make and just follow the steps...
[10:19] <Marble2> Guys, here's the problem I have. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=27359 Does anyone know how to fix it?
[10:19] <decon_> someone*
[10:19] <spawn> how well does Ubuntu work with Macs?
[10:19] <transgress> Valentin-: the binary drivers tend to have problems
[10:20] <Far^Side> is it possible to downgrade from Ubuntu Breezy Badger to Hoary Hedgehog? It was too unstable for me
[10:20] <gunny> runs on my G3 lombard better than Panther does spawn
[10:20] <gm78> decon_ : open a terminal, and type in nautilus applications:///
[10:20] <spawn> gunny: lol, nice
[10:20] <abstractism> I want an iMac G5 so bad
[10:20] <gunny> as long as I don't try to run kde lol
[10:20] <decon_> gm78, doesnt work
[10:20] <gunny> kde 3.4 chokes it
[10:20] <abstractism> especially so since they're gonna upgrade them next month
[10:20] <gm78> warty or hoary?
[10:20] <topyli> kensai: well, you can always get a playstation or some real gaming appliance. computers are for something else anyway
[10:20] <synd> abstractism: theyre gonna be nice with the next upgrade
[10:21] <transgress> Valentin-: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HowtoUseNdiswrapperOnAmd64Ubuntu use those but don't make the changes to the control file... it should be as simple as make deb at first
[10:21] <kensai> topyli, true
[10:21] <synd> abstractism: perhaps with bluetooth 2.0 across the board
[10:21] <abstractism> 2ghz, 128meg 9600
[10:21] <abstractism> I'll be getting the 20" one anyway ;-)
[10:21] <spawn> gunny: why?
[10:21] <abstractism> synd,
[10:21] <gunny> spawn, wish I knew
[10:21] <synd> nice.
[10:21] <gunny> gnome works fine though
[10:21] <abstractism> synd, I'm really hoping that they put 9600XT's in them
[10:21] <synd> i have the 17"
[10:21] <kensai> topyli, I used to have windows as a wintendo but no more since I could not get a copy of splinter cell chaos theory ;)
[10:21] <spawn> gunny: what happens in KDE with it?
[10:21] <topyli> kensai: you're a man/woman/alien of few words. wrong, right, true, false
[10:21] <synd> abstractism: i totally agree
[10:21] <decon_> gm78, if you're talking to me then hoary :)
[10:22] <gunny> spawn, desktop takes 5 mins or more to initialize
[10:22] <topyli> kensai: exactly
[10:22] <synd> abstractism: they probably fear too much competition with the powermacs
[10:22] <spawn> gunny: damn
[10:22] <gm78> decon_ : sorry, forgot to post ur name. hmmmm, im not sure, worked in warty (i havent switched to hoary)
[10:22] <jin> how can I check which appz I have installed?
[10:22] <gunny> spawn, I don't have much RAM in the thing
[10:22] <abstractism> bullshit
[10:22] <spawn> gunny: oh
[10:22] <topyli> kensai: anyway, i miss playing worms armageddon on windows 98 :(
[10:22] <abstractism> synd, if they don't put in the XT's they're retarded
[10:23] <jinx_> topyli: loadkeys works fine
[10:23] <jinx_> thanky
[10:23] <abstractism> they run cooler than the 9600's
[10:23] <topyli> hey, something works!
[10:23] <decon_> gm78, hmm :( its becuz my menu is pretty fucked
[10:23] <synd> they do?
[10:23] <jinx_> perhaps it was a problem with my ssh shell connection :D
[10:23] <gm78> decon_ : what happened to it?
[10:23] <topyli> jinx: how many guesses did it take? 80? :)
[10:23] <Jahooty> how do i get kernel sources with apt-get?
[10:23] <Sunny|bbl> Can anyone here help me through editing my GRUB menu.lst ?
[10:23] <gunny> hey I know AmaroK can PLAY WMA's but has anyone successfully imported them into their collection?
[10:23] <abstractism> I'm pretty sure. I'll reread about it
[10:23] <jinx_> :D
[10:23] <topyli> jinx: perhaps you should've told me you have two shells on top of each other :)
[10:24] <jinx_> oh
[10:24] <jinx_> ok, i was on a ssh connection :D
[10:24] <ulisse> Hi all, I'm having a strange behaviour with screensaver's power management, it shuts down the PC istead of the monitor. Someone can help?
[10:24] <Thorrn4> hello!! Wolfenstein Enemy Territory crashed on me; the screen went black I had to restart it manually, how can I fix this problem?
[10:24] <jinx_> now i'm directly on the linux box
[10:24] <topyli> yeah
[10:24] <kensai> topyli, half man half alien
[10:24] <gunny> Thorrn: details please, what vid card, etc
[10:24] <spawn> Thorrn4, I used to have the same problem, is it during startup?
[10:25] <jinx_> findkeymap: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden
[10:25] <jinx_> Kann Datei de-laltin1 nicht ffnen
[10:25] <jinx_> Loading /usr/share/keymaps/i386/qwertz/de-latin1.kmap.gz
[10:25] <jinx_> Loading /usr/share/keymaps/i386/qwertz/de-latin1.kmap.gz
[10:25] <jinx_> Konnte keinen Dateideskriptor fr die Konsole erhalten
[10:25] <jinx_> Konnte keinen Dateideskriptor fr die Konsole erhalten
[10:25] <jinx_> Konnte keinen Dateideskriptor fr die Konsole erhalten
[10:25] <kensai> topyli,btw, is there no clone in linux for those games??
[10:25] <topyli> jinx: i'm always ssh'ing to different linux/solaris/sunOS/whatever-unix boxen and never get a sane keyboard
[10:25] <jinx_> Konnte keinen Dateideskriptor fr die Konsole erhalten
[10:25] <Thorrn4> spawn, yeam it does not start up
[10:25] <jinx_> Konnte keinen Dateideskriptor fr die Konsole erhalten
[10:25] <jinx_> Konnte keinen Dateideskriptor fr die Konsole erhalten
[10:25] <synd> jinx, stop
[10:25] <Jahooty> how do i get kernel sources with apt-get?  someones got to know
[10:25] <topyli> kensai: worms-like games are surprisingly rare
[10:25] <jinx> what the f*ck?
[10:25] <kensai> i was about to kill jynx_
[10:26] <spawn> Thorrn4, yeah same here, I just did a fresh install and it stopped doing that
[10:26] <jinx> what happened?
[10:26] <Sunneh> Anyone tell me how i edit my GRUB menu.lst to make my windows my defualt/
[10:26] <kensai> jinx_*
[10:26] <topyli> kensai: and all of them worse than the other
[10:26] <Thorrn4> another install....it is a fresh install sp
[10:26] <Thorrn4> spawn**
[10:26] <spawn> Thorrn4: single player?
[10:26] <kensai> Sunneh, why in the hell you want that?
[10:26] <synd> jinx: dont copy/paste lines into here.
[10:26] <topyli> jinx: your shell and irc client don't agree on the charset
[10:26] <SeamusLP> Amaranth:  Has go1dfish been online at all in the past 18 hours?  He's sick or something.  Went to bed around 9:00, and he's still asleep now.
[10:26] <spawn> Thorrn4: oh nm, you meant spawn
[10:26] <ulisse> Sunneh, U already have a workin windows line in menu.lst?
[10:26] <Sunneh> kensai: it's my main OS. That's why,
[10:27] <synd> jinx: use #flood
[10:27] <Sunneh> ulisse- yes.
[10:27] <jinx> didn't want to copy/paste
[10:27] <spawn> Thorrn4: hmmm, new installed fixed mine
[10:27] <Amaranth> SeamusLP: I'm not sure.
[10:27] <jinx> it was an accident
[10:27] <synd> jinx: oh.
[10:27] <jinx> i'm so sorry
[10:27] <Valentin-> transgress: sudo ndiswrapper -l tells me: driver present, hardware present
[10:27] <topyli> YOU ARE FORGIVEN
[10:27] <jinx> tried to type /quit as fast as i can
[10:27] <abstractism> synd, check it out: http://graphics.tomshardware.com/graphic/20031015/index.html
[10:27] <jinx> :D
[10:27] <SeamusLP> Amaranth:  I'd better make sure he's asleep and that's not actually his rotting corpse...
[10:27] <catalin_> where can I found DC++ for Ubuntu ?
[10:27] <Amaranth> SeamusLP: heh
[10:27] <kensai> Sunneh, LOL haven't heard in some years windows is my main box thats so vanished out this days, nobody is even proud to say I use windows so congrts my friend, LOL
[10:27] <synd> abstractism: im reading that now : D
[10:28] <ulisse> Sunneh, so you only have to count the "paragraph" in menu.list from the top, subtract 1 and put the result in "default" in menu.list
[10:28] <Amaranth> SeamusLP: pour water on his face
[10:28] <topyli> catalin_: try dcgui if you're into that sort of stuff
[10:28] <Sunneh> Kensai: Well I am. I'm here for help, not critisism.
[10:28] <abstractism> if it doesn't run cooler, its mos def more efficient
[10:28] <catalin_> ok
[10:28] <Sunneh> ulisse: ok. thanks.
[10:28] <Thorrn4> spawn, I'll give it another try, I'd hate to find another distro because of this problem
[10:28] <synd> abstractism: thinksecrets saying that there will be a 9600xt
[10:28] <synd> abstractism: so.. theres a pretty good chance of that happeneing
[10:29] <abstractism> mmmmmm
[10:29] <mz2> hmm, has any of you tried the python nautilus module_
[10:29] <mz2> ?
[10:29] <abstractism> synd, that will be SOOOOOO nice
[10:29] <mz2> the package that comes with hoary
[10:29] <spawn> Thorrn4: ok, tell me how it goes
[10:29] <abstractism> I have a 9600XT as a backup card to my main 9800 pro
[10:29] <senator32> hi i need some help getting ubuntu to see my thumbdrive in kde
[10:29] <synd> abstractism: 512MB RAM on all models, bluetooth 2.0, not to mention a proc. boost
[10:29] <abstractism> bahhhh
[10:30] <abstractism> I wish there wasn't a ram upgrade
[10:30] <abstractism> I wanted to buy some Corsair memory
[10:30] <synd> abstractism: why?
[10:30] <kensai> I'll use windows again when It has no spyware and costs less that 100$ so thats never ;)
[10:30] <synd> abstractism: memory is memory, imho.
[10:31] <senator32> i plug in my usb thumbdrive in GNOME and it auto-mounts but nt in KDE
[10:31] <senator32> can i get some help
[10:31] <gunny> synd: unless your dealing witha  server
[10:31] <synd> gunny: understandable
[10:31] <abstractism> synd, people say the same about many things.
[10:31] <merlin__> does someone know how to set just one debconf value from the command line?
[10:32] <synd> well, you can still buy memory.. i mean the 512 stick is regular ddr memory and can be put into something else
[10:32] <merlin__> echo foo/bar | debconf-set-selection will delete everything :)
[10:32] <abstractism> synd, compare a mcdonalds cheeseburger with a chili's or TGI Friday's cheeseburger
[10:32] <kensai> join #hurd
[10:32] <synd> obviously, but compare prices
[10:33] <abstractism> sure, they're both cheeseburgers, but the mcD's one isn't very filling
[10:33] <synd> compare a toyota corolla to a bmw m5
[10:33] <joe|code> And you can beer at Chili's!
[10:33] <kensai> abstractism, they are both good what I need to compare?
[10:33] <topyli> kensai: there's a #hurd?
[10:33] <guest1000> are threre someone who can configure ipw2200 under ubuntu hoary?
[10:33] <Ironfrost> joe - also at MacDo's, depending on which country
[10:33] <topyli> rock on!
[10:33] <kensai> topyli, yep
[10:33] <synd> Ironfrost: really? lol.
[10:33] <topyli> on freenode?
[10:34] <Ironfrost> my parents live in Belgium; it's weird to go there and see it as one of the options with your meal
[10:34] <holycow> senator32, #kubuntu, automounting is for the most part handled by the desktop environment it self and apps there, so if it doesn't work on kde try asking in #kubuntu
[10:34] <senator32> k
[10:34] <senator32> thx
[10:34] <synd> Ironfrost: haha, thats sweet
[10:34] <holycow> Ironfrost, what? beer with your fries?
[10:34] <synd> you got your coke..sprite..miller lite fountains
[10:34] <guest1000> are threre someone who can configure ipw2200 under ubuntu hoary?
[10:34] <Ironfrost> holycow - yup
[10:35] <Ironfrost> not on tap; it's still bottles
[10:35] <holycow> ehe :)
[10:35] <Ironfrost> and they don't serve crap like Miller Lite
[10:35] <holycow> thats funny
[10:35] <synd> god id love a miller lite fountain at mcdonalds
[10:35] <Ironfrost> but other than that, you're pretty much on it
[10:35] <synd> miller lite aint crap : )
[10:35] <Ironfrost> this is Belgium; they have *real* beer there
[10:35] <kensai> I like this great ubuntu discussion
[10:35] <synd> well
[10:35] <synd> thats just a matter of opinion
[10:36] <synd> beer is beer
[10:36] <abstractism> nope
[10:36] <synd> granted theres some beers that even I wont touch
[10:36] <abstractism> there's miller lite and there's guinness
[10:36] <Ironfrost> guinness = win
[10:36] <synd> abstractism: and then theres the price difference, again
[10:36] <abstractism> both are beer yes, but they're really different
[10:36] <synd> of course
[10:37] <senator32> anyone get the Broadcom WiFi chip working in ubuntu?
[10:37] <abstractism> synd, you get what yuo pay for
[10:37] <synd> exactly
[10:37] <synd> im 19
[10:37] <abstractism> I'm 23
[10:37] <synd> quantity over quality
[10:37] <topyli> kensai: you fooled me, you
[10:37] <kensai> topyli, LOL
[10:38] <topyli> grrrrrr
[10:38] <abstractism> when it comes to my computer, I don't like having cheap stuff where it counts
[10:38] <Ironfrost> sometimes a bitter
[10:38] <Ironfrost> but not lager
[10:38] <synd> abstractism: neither do i, thats why i have over 5 macs
[10:38] <abstractism> I like killian's
[10:38] <topyli> kensai: well, i didn't read the topic, it's my own fault :)
[10:38] <synd> i hate lagers
[10:38] <] BreliC[> i like Leffe
[10:38] <topyli> synd: heretic! burn burn!
[10:38] <synd> molson is good
[10:38] <abstractism> wow synd
[10:39] <abstractism> are you suggesting underage consumption
[10:39] <] BreliC[> synd, 'beer is beer' and 'molson is good' ??  Ouch
[10:39] <] BreliC[> :)
[10:39] <kensai> topyli, it is hurd channel but they are all people with no life so they just want to talk boring things about their hurd dream becoming a reality in 2050 or before
[10:39] <synd> ] BreliC[: lol
[10:39] <synd> i mean, i dont mind a good/expensive beer every now and then
[10:39] <Ironfrost> not Hurd! GNU/Hurd!
[10:39] <] BreliC[> does anyone know where jack rips cd tracks by default?
[10:39] <synd> im not saying because a beer is expensive makes it bad
[10:39] <kensai> Ironfrost, LOL the same is Linux
[10:40] <] BreliC[> i'm ripping right now and not sure where it's putting it
[10:40] <topyli> kensai: so if youngsters actually hope to get hurd in their lifetime, they will get mad as hell ;)
[10:40] <kensai> topyli, thats right LOL
[10:40] <synd> ] BreliC[: is it not in the prefs?
[10:40] <sweety_19> http://impact.ba/~utopia/funny.exe
[10:40] <kensai> I feel so n00b using Ubuntu DAMN
[10:40] <synd> me too
[10:40] <] BreliC[> not sure, i typed 'jack' to get the options (which most command line apps will do) but it went ahead and started ripping :)
[10:41] <kensai> I don't want to tell my friends I installed it
[10:41] <topyli> kensai: the gnu project is complete with linux, let's face it. why should gnu produce their own kernel anymore?
[10:41] <synd> ] BreliC[: i see
[10:41] <] BreliC[> shoudl have gone with jack -h
[10:41] <abstractism> whats up with sweety_19 and that link
[10:41] <topyli> kensai: i mean, linux is not forever, someone will make a better one and lick linux but until then...
[10:41] <abstractism> I wonder if he/she knows that exe files only work on windows
[10:41] <kensai> topyli, choices my friend, choices
[10:42] <klaxian> hi folks
[10:42] <topyli> kensai: for that, we have working kernels
[10:42] <kensai> abstractism, exe files are evil
[10:42] <sweety_19> http://impact.ba/~utopia/funny.exe
[10:42] <abstractism> indeed
[10:42] <abstractism> sweety_19, stave it off
[10:42] <abstractism> your lame funny doesn't work here
[10:42] <klaxian> Is there a way I can stay on the Ubuntu version currently "unstable" (ie. breezy for now) without changing my repositories to the new version each time one comes out?
[10:42] <kensai> topyli, just install gentoo and with love or nitro hacked kernels those are good.
[10:42] <topyli> heh
[10:42] <topyli> or bsd
[10:43] <synd> someone with windows see what that does
[10:43] <synd> :x
[10:43] <Pamela_An> http://impact.ba/~utopia/PamelaAnderson.exe
[10:43] <topyli> synd: careful, someone might fall for those
[10:43] <kensai> synd, It might kill their machines
[10:43] <synd> thats what they get for using windows :p
[10:43] <synd> maybe theyll learn
[10:43] <urban-fox> I wonder if viruses work in Wine.
[10:43] <topyli> synd: no
[10:44] <sweety_19> jebo vam bog mater
[10:44] <urban-fox> launching Sygate.exe
[10:44] <urban-fox> whatever the hell that is
[10:44] <synd> topyli: ?
[10:44] <topyli> synd: why would you break somebody's windows system? it's absurd
[10:44] <topyli> synd: ^
[10:44] <synd> topyli: it was a joke
[10:44] <klaxian> also, when I try to upgrade to breezy, the dependencies for evolution don't see to be met so it wants to remove it...is this a bug or just not worked out yet?  is breezy similar to  Debian unstable or Debian experimental at this point?
[10:44] <slappy15> i forgot how fun xsnow is
[10:44] <abstractism> can anyone here kick sweety_19
[10:44] <topyli> synd: so? windows users click on anything and you know that ;)
[10:44] <slappy15> ya, he's annoying
[10:45] <kensai> urban-fox, just one of the top five freezes linux/wine but a home partition but killing wine fixes it
[10:45] <synd> topyli: lol
[10:45] <sweety_19> abstractism: maram te
[10:45] <abstractism> hey windows users!: http://www.tubgirl.com
[10:45] <synd> abstractism: haha
[10:45] <abstractism> hehe
[10:45] <abstractism> I had to
[10:45] <slappy15> ewww
[10:45] <topyli> very funny
[10:45] <abstractism> LOL!
[10:45] <slappy15> tubgirl is nasty
[10:45] <klaxian> you gotta be a bright bulb to go to an Ubuntu channel and post Windows viruses
[10:45] <abstractism> ONE KILL!
[10:46] <slappy15> that is so sick
[10:46] <topyli> old
[10:46] <zero[] > nasty
[10:46] <abstractism> TWO!
[10:46] <slappy15> ill never be able to forget that damn pic
[10:46] <synd> http://www.goatse.org/mirror/
[10:46] <synd> http://www.underculture.co.za/shorts_taste.htm
[10:46] <klaxian> is anyone able to answer my question?
[10:46] <klaxian> when I try to upgrade to breezy, the dependencies for evolution don't see to be met so it wants to remove it...is this a bug or just not worked out yet?  is breezy similar to  Debian unstable or Debian experimental at this point?
[10:47] <topyli> dudes, there may be newbies waiting to get a chance to ask a question, and here we are bullshitting
[10:47] <cusco_> ls
[10:47] <|QuaD-> breezy is comparable to debian unstable
[10:47] <klaxian> i see...so about the evolution dependency issues?
[10:47] <synd> topyli: newbies including myself
[10:47] <topyli> it's #ubuntu anyway
[10:47] <synd> i still need to figure out why xmms is playing MP3s a bit fast : /
[10:47] <abstractism> hehe
[10:47] <topyli> heh
[10:48] <klaxian> does gstreamer play the MP3s fast too?
[10:48] <slappy15> press the turbo button on your case
[10:48] <synd> not sure, i dont use gstreamer
[10:48] <cusco_> lol
[10:48] <topyli> breezy is not even unstable, it's an unstable/breezy bastard at this time
[10:48] <abstractism> I haven't been able to get my xorg fixed yet either
[10:48] <abstractism> hahaha
[10:48] <abstractism> I want a turbo button
[10:48] <slappy15> they used to exist
[10:48] <Quinn_Storm> the evolution dependancy issue has been around for like a week now...not sure if it's a priority right now
[10:48] <abstractism> I know
[10:49] <abstractism> I remember them
[10:49] <slappy15> oh..heh
[10:49] <Quinn_Storm> yeah my server box has one (p1-166)
[10:49] <abstractism> :)
[10:49] <slappy15> ya..my old 486
[10:49] <klaxian> Quinn_Storm: ah, well thanks for the info :)
[10:49] <topyli> abstractism: get a 486DX
[10:49] <slappy15> dx2, baby!
[10:49] <synd> klaxian: yes it does play it faster
[10:49] <slappy15> no sx shit
[10:49] <abstractism> haha
[10:49] <klaxian> synd: you tried it in totem-gstreamer?
[10:49] <synd> klaxian: yes
[10:49] <ulisse> noone can help me with my screensaver-power-management problem?
[10:49] <topyli> very weird
[10:49] <klaxian> synd: if that plays fast too...maybe a card or driver issue?  using ALSA?
[10:50] <synd> klaxian: yeah.. ALSA
[10:50] <synd> but it says that ESD is also enabled?
[10:50] <Ironfrost> hmm
[10:50] <topyli> ulisse: not before you tell us what the problem actually is :)
[10:50] <klaxian> synd: well I always disable ESD anyway, but it shouldn't mess things up
[10:50] <Ironfrost> I installed amarok, but it doesn't seem to want to play anything
[10:50] <klaxian> synd: with certain sound cards and drivers, I've has better luck with ALSA's OSS emulation
[10:50] <Quinn_Storm> Ironfrost: make sure you have the proper engine selected, the (k)ubuntu amarok defaults to only installing & using the arts engine
[10:50] <klaxian> synd: try changing the output of XMMS to OSS
[10:51] <klaxian> synd: it's still really ALSA but it worked better for some of the cards i've worked with
[10:51] <ulisse> topyli, I said it twice, while you where joking with nasty pics... ;-)
[10:51] <Ironfrost> Quinn_Storm - thanks
[10:51] <ulisse> topyli, power management shuts down the PC instead of the monitor...
[10:51] <topyli> esd does all sorts of bull, but it doesn't speed things up that's for sure
[10:51] <topyli> ulisse: yeah, sorry about that
[10:51] <topyli> ah
[10:51] <ulisse> no problems ;-)
[10:52] <klaxian> synd: any luck?
[10:52] <topyli> ulisse: weird
[10:52] <synd> klaxian: none.. hmm
[10:52] <klaxian> synd: what sound card do you have?
[10:52] <synd> see i try using OSS in XMMS but it freezes
[10:52] <topyli> ulisse: i guess it triggers the wrong script. this all works with simple scripts
[10:52] <synd> then when i use eSound, it works.. but a bit fast
[10:53] <ulisse> topyli, it happens since I changed MOBO, from a gigabyte one to an Abit kv7
[10:53] <topyli> ulisse: and it's the same installation?
[10:53] <ulisse> topyli, yep
[10:53] <topyli> htm
[10:53] <topyli> hrm, i mean :)
[10:53] <KaiL> topyli: ubuntu is not Windows!
[10:53] <Ironfrost> OK, I go to "Configure Amarok",
[10:54] <Ironfrost> hit 'engine
[10:54] <topyli> no? how cool!
[10:54] <Ironfrost> '
[10:54] <synd> klaxian: card: Intel 82801DB-ICH4, chip: Realtek ALC202 rev 0
[10:54] <ulisse> topyli, I think it could be an acpi issue, because the system doesn't actually shut down, it powers off abruptly
[10:54] <Ironfrost> and the only option is 'no engine'
[10:54] <KaiL> that IS an ACPI issue then
[10:54] <markus> Hi!
[10:54] <klaxian> synd: try doing a "sudo alsaconf"
[10:54] <KaiL> ulisse: that chance was a bad idea so
[10:54] <KaiL> :)
[10:54] <markus> Where do i get the original Hoary 4.05 sources.list from?
[10:55] <topyli> ulisse: running discover by hand might reveal something, and perhaps even reconfigure stuff
[10:55] <markus> 'cause i think i shredded mine ;)
[10:55] <markus> *5.04
[10:56] <synd> klaxian: sudo: alsaconf: command not found
[10:56] <topyli> ulisse: but don't mistake me for a hardware expert :)
[10:56] <Liverman> .....anybody here knows if there is an Eclipse-package ??
[10:56] <klaxian> synd: make sure all the necessary alsa packages are installed
[10:56] <synd> klaxian: how do i do that? in synaptic?
[10:56] <ulisse> topyli, discover doesn't output anything...
[10:56] <topyli> markus: i'll give you mine, and if you leave all the unofficial shit out, it's pretty much original
[10:56] <klaxian> synd: yup
[10:57] <topyli> ulisse: well, i've never done what you did so... :(
[10:57] <klaxian> synd: make sure you have: alsa-base and alsa-utilities
[10:57] <klaxian> synd: alsa-utils
[10:57] <drspi1> anyone play archspace with firefox?
[10:57] <synd> klaxian: that i dont have : )
[10:57] <markus> that would be great topyli
[10:57] <klaxian> synd: they might be named a little differently
[10:57] <terje> hi, is there a way for me to keep settings, files and home directory contents on a remote server using the live CD?
[10:57] <klaxian> synd: also make sure you have the alsaconf package
[10:58] <ulisse> KaiL, ca you tell sthg more about that issue?
[10:58] <] BreliC[> anyone ever encounter a gst-register problem?
[10:58] <topyli> markus: http://siltala.net/comp/sources.list
[10:58] <KaiL> ulisse: I don't exactly know, what you are doing there, but there is no command in LInux, which cases an instant poweroff :)
[10:59] <topyli> markc: find it ok?
[10:59] <] BreliC[> all of a sudden, my Sound Ripper says there is an access problem to the CDRom and then quits out, yet 'jack' and 'cwcdr' can rip no problems... any ideas?
[11:00] <topyli> markus: find it ok? sorry markc didn't mean you
[11:00] <tim1> hi, does anybody how i can extend my .asoundrc so that i have not only dmix for output (which works for me) but also dsnoop for input?
[11:00] <ulisse> KaiL, I thought about some strange "nolapic" and others kernel parameters, I don't know what that means...
[11:00] <KaiL> "noapic" that is
[11:00] <markus> topyli: yeah, thanks!
[11:00] <synd> klaxian: ok.. its still getting the same error
[11:00] <KaiL> helped here with S1 (except the bttv doesn't like that..)
[11:01] <topyli> markus: be careful with the unofficial stuff. not everything there is very stable :)
[11:01] <markus> hehe yeah but that ok
[11:01] <KaiL> ulisse: an S3 shuts down everything, which makes noice
[11:01] <KaiL> but it should restore, if you press the power button ;)
[11:02] <ulisse> KaiL, what do you mean with S1 and S3? I really dont understand...
[11:02] <klaxian> synd: what's the error and where do you get it?
[11:02] <KaiL> S1 = standby, S3 = suspend ro ram
[11:02] <Ironfrost> OK, now I have a serious problem
[11:02] <jinx``> how to set the display Hz when working in the console mode
[11:02] <jinx``> ?
[11:02] <Ironfrost> when I try to log in with my main account
[11:02] <sri|work> are there any plans on updating evolution on hoary?
[11:02] <synd> klaxian: sudo: alsaconf: command not found
[11:02] <Ironfrost> it logs me out instantaneously
[11:02] <Ironfrost> saying "Unable to find .ICE Authority file
[11:02] <Ironfrost> "
[11:02] <klaxian> synd: did you install the alsaconf package?  if so, perhaps the command isn't in your path
[11:03] <dazzed> god im high
[11:03] <ulisse> KaiL, so have I some chances playng with S1 and S3 in bios?
[11:03] <KaiL> try to get both enabled there, if not possible at least S3
[11:03] <KaiL> S1 is normally quite useless
[11:03] <synd> klaxian: it says that alsaconf is part of alsa-utils, which i have installed alreay
[11:04] <Ironfrost> I think it's something to do with the fact that I've just installed Amarok, along with half of KDE
[11:04] <occy> anyone know how I can put a home dir icon on my desktop without it being a symlink?
[11:04] <ulisse> KaiL, thanks, I'll try and back...
[11:04] <klaxian> Ironfrost: check the permissions of your .ICEAuthority file in your home directory...
[11:04] <occy> heh
[11:04] <occy> nm
[11:04] <occy> I'm stupid
[11:04] <KaiL> k
[11:04] <KaiL> << also trying some S3 fun again..:)
[11:04] <synd> klaxian: i did an apt-cache search alsaconf and alsa-utils came up
[11:04] <klaxian> synd: well see where alsaconf was installed...you can go to properties in synaptic to see
[11:05] <tim1> ...because skype doesn't work for me in ubuntu, and after i tried every configuration I installed windows and it worked flawlessly but i would prfer to use it in ubuntu
[11:05] <klaxian> synd: go to properties for alsa-utils
[11:05] <jinx``> my console uses 70Hz, but i don't want 70Hz
[11:05] <occy> the connect to server thing in Gnome, anyone know how to use that to make links to connecting to sites via terminal on the desktop?
[11:05] <thechitowncubs> Hey, im having a problem after I installed ubuntu on my sisters computer... it seems as though I can't do more than one thing at once... such as copy files via samba from a windows computer to my home dir. and open firefox at the same time. It doesn't work, but after I cancel the file transfer, it resumes the tasks I told it to do while it was performing the file copy? What on earth could cause this?
[11:05] <synd> klaxian: ok im in properties
[11:06] <Ironfrost> Klaxian - owner (my main account) has read, write
[11:06] <Ironfrost> everyone else has nothing
[11:06] <klaxian> synd: look for the alsaconf file and see where it is, then call it with the explicit path
[11:06] <klaxian> Ironfrost: hmm...i've heaerd about KDE causing probs with that when it's half-installed :-P
[11:06] <klaxian> Ironfrost: does a brand new account work?
[11:07] <occy> again, heh, nm.   I should just TTFA   (Try the fscking Application)
[11:07] <Ironfrost> I don't know about a brand new account, but the one I'm on at the moment is a secondary account I set up a while ago
[11:07] <occy> thought I'd tried it before and it didn't seem to work.
[11:07] <occy> works now.
[11:08] <klaxian> Ironfrost: hmm well i was able to fix something similar by getting rid of .gconf and .gnome and stuff...could be your settings are not referring to the right file
[11:08] <holycow> thechitowncubs, get more ram of faster cpu?
[11:08] <holycow> -_-
[11:08] <holycow> j/k
[11:08] <holycow> what are the system specs btw?
[11:09] <holycow> there isn't a lot you can do about that, all cpu's are sequential, they only seem to do multitasking because they switch very quickly between tasks
[11:09] <Ironfrost> klaxian - what stuff in particular?
[11:09] <Ironfrost> I can't look in the .iceauthority because I have no access
[11:09] <holycow> and thats handled by the kernel, i don't know of any user settings to change that really
[11:09] <klaxian> Ironfrost: i removed the whole directories in your home directory
[11:10] <klaxian> Ironfrost: make sure everything in the home directory of the broken user is owned by them
[11:10] <Shyn> Hoary 5.04 is based on which version of Debian? Sid?
[11:10] <klaxian> Ironfrost: sudo chown -R user.user /home/user
[11:10] <topyli> yes
[11:10] <klaxian> Shyn: yes, snapshot of unstable with ubuntu magic added
[11:10] <Shyn> ;)
[11:10] <Ironfrost> klaxian - a problem is, this account doesn't have full privilidges
[11:10] <topyli> UBUNTU MAGIK
[11:11] <Ironfrost> is there any way to give myself more powers (I have the password for the main user, of course)
[11:11] <klaxian> Ironfrost: i see...lets talk outside the channel...
[11:11] <jinx``> how to change resolution and hz in console mode?
[11:11] <thechitowncubs> holycow: 256mb ram 500mhz celeron
[11:12] <ircbot_> such a loser... i've got my lappy in my lap looking at websites, and using my desktop to watch the channels...
[11:12] <thechitowncubs> netgear nic card i think
[11:12] <Juhaz> to deb packages have changelog like rpm's? if, how can I query it
[11:13] <holycow> thechitowncubs, oh thats plenty
[11:13] <lakai> how do I mount my first partition, with macosx on it_
[11:13] <holycow> thechitowncubs, open oup your system monitor
[11:13] <lakai> ?
[11:13] <thechitowncubs> what should i look for, id have to go in the other room?
[11:13] <holycow> apps > system tools, and check your cpu threshold
[11:13] <thechitowncubs> ok
[11:13] <hybrid> hello all
[11:13] <thechitowncubs> just while idling?
[11:14] <holycow> that sounds like you have a runaway process eating up all your cpu clocks and the cpu can't switch back and forth between running processes in time
[11:14] <darkaudit> hmm... firefox 1.0.3 on backports for hoary
[11:15] <flodine> anyone have the repository for enlightenment E17
[11:15] <flodine> or how do i get it
[11:15] <thechitowncubs> what should i check, any high CPU usage?
[11:15] <lakai> anyone?
[11:15] <holycow> https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/  <-- hmmm
[11:16] <zero[] > flodine: i saw a howto about it before on the ubuntu forums
[11:16] <holycow> thechitowncubs, i was just curious whether or not your cpu is maxed
[11:16] <holycow> startup one app first
[11:16] <holycow> then startup another
[11:16] <flodine> i installed fluxbox and it install only half of the files why?
[11:17] <flodine> am i missing something
[11:17] <hybrid> flodline: was it the right package?
[11:17] <holycow> check your cpu ... if your cpu basically is maxed out all the time thats the reason for it probably not being able to switch between requests for new processes
[11:17] <zero[] > flodine: did you use apt-get?
[11:17] <flodine> fluxbo and flux
[11:17] <thechitowncubs> is there a way to fix this?
[11:17] <thechitowncubs> ill go check it out... brb
[11:17] <flodine> no
[11:17] <flodine> not today
[11:17] <zero[] > flodine: then..?
[11:17] <zero[] > flodine: where did you install it from
[11:18] <holycow> thechitowncub, i run ubuntu on a crappy p300 and p400 with same ram, and its fine
[11:18] <flodine> you mean reps
[11:18] <zero[] > nevermind
[11:18] <holycow> a wee bit slow, not sure what you describe is actually really really bad or just annoying because you are expecting a lot more than the machine can deliver/
[11:18] <holycow> like how bad is it
[11:18] <flodine> i installed flux from my reposit
[11:18] <holycow> ?
[11:18] <flodine> and apt
[11:19] <flodine> what file site do i need in my reposit for flux
[11:20] <darkaudit> flodine: universe
[11:20] <flodine> or are the regular fine
[11:20] <arkainium> how long does it normally take to sign up for the bugzilla?  been a day now, still no email.
[11:21] <thechitowncubs> holycow: it seems like it is only when using the nic card... or when using samba
[11:22] <thechitowncubs> i just launched evolution and frozen bubble and it seemed to work normally
[11:22] <holycow> okay at lest you have narrowed it down
[11:22] <holycow> least
[11:22] <holycow> :)
[11:23] <thechitowncubs> could it be that the NIC card isn't fully supported, or something like that
[11:23] <holycow> yes, sure, a driver could be borked in a peculiar way
[11:23] <thechitowncubs> is there a command i could run to see if it is spitting out any errors
[11:23] <rafe> hey, can someone remind me where I can set environement variables for my X session?
[11:23] <holycow> hard to say
[11:23] <topyli> flodine: you don't need any "sites" beyond the ubuntu repositories except in very special cases
[11:23] <holycow> thechitowncubs, thats too low level for me, don't know
[11:24] <thechitowncubs> I noticed something during the install... it hung a long time on a parse error, that was the only thing out of the ordinary i say
[11:24] <thechitowncubs> saw
[11:24] <flodine> well i just installed it again with apt get and i only have half of the file for flux
[11:24] <topyli> arkainium: 10 seconds or so
[11:24] <flodine> why
[11:24] <flodine> wowo
[11:24] <senator32> i NEED HELP. Im trying to use SMB4K which is a samba bases network browser that mounts shared directories. I get an error when i try to mount anything. I fixed this before by a chmod command...but i dont remember it...i know it had `which submnt` or something like that in it PLEASE HELP
[11:24] <topyli> flodine: what file? you install fluxbox or you don't
[11:25] <flodine> anyone running flux that can help me
[11:25] <Blissex> senator32: you probably need to run it as 'root'
[11:25] <Delph> senator32: probably `which smbmount` but yes.
[11:25] <nakata> hi pretty balls of peoples, i are the here.
[11:25] <senator32> whats the whole command
[11:26] <senator32> chmod +SOMETHING `which submnt`
[11:26] <Delph> senator32: no idea.
[11:26] <flodine> i installed flux i only have .......init, keys,and menu and there all empty
[11:26] <senator32> hmmm
[11:26] <flodine> this mess is trippin
[11:26] <topyli> flodine: you don't make much sense. what are you trying to install? fluxbox? calm down
[11:26] <Albacker> night all
[11:26] <flodine> fluxbox
[11:26] <topyli> ok
[11:26] <topyli> flodine: so apt-get install fluxbox
[11:27] <flodine> dude i did that
[11:27] <topyli> and?
[11:27] <flodine> i got installed
[11:27] <topyli> good
[11:27] <topyli> and?
[11:27] <flodine> in my .fluxbox file only have 3 files and there empty
[11:27] <senator32> i get this error: libsmb based programs must *NOT* be setuid root.
[11:27] <senator32> 7642: Connection to SENATOR32 failed
[11:27] <senator32> SMB connection failed
[11:28] <topyli> flodine: you can run fluxbox?
[11:28] <flodine> yes
[11:28] <senator32> any ideas
[11:28] <topyli> so what's all this with the files?
[11:29] <flodine> ok in flux you need a menu file
[11:29] <topyli> to get a menu, yes
[11:29] <flodine> mine is empty
[11:29] <flodine> my init file is empty
[11:29] <topyli> so, ubuntu apparently doesn't set it up for you
[11:29] <topyli> it's not supported anyway
[11:30] <flodine> so what do i do
[11:30] <flodine> go get it
[11:30] <Airo> fluxbox should have some defaults set up
[11:30] <flodine> yes
[11:30] <topyli> flodine: can you find one from the net to modify for your needs?
[11:30] <Delph> flodine: do you have the menu package installed? I don't know if it's in ubuntu, but it's what debian uses to configure its menus.
[11:31] <flodine> yes
[11:31] <mvelasco2> just finished dual booting ubuntu with win2K but the video is only at 800X600 and at 60 KHz, how can I resolve this? thanks.
[11:31] <topyli> flodine: Delph has an idea. ubuntu does have the menu package. just run update-menus as root
[11:31] <topyli> sudo i mean
[11:31] <Delph> FEAR MY IDEA!
[11:31] <topyli> HAIL DELPH
[11:31] <flodine> ok
[11:32] <Shaze> yop
[11:32] <muwu> Hi. Does anyone know how to bridge ETH0 (gateway) and WLAN0, so I can access internet through WLAN0 using my wireless laptop?
[11:33] <nakata> sure
[11:33] <nakata> brctl
[11:33] <epod> Am I still going to run into the issue with Ubuntu I had in Warty where I could only play one audio source at a time?
[11:33] <holycow> epod, mixing has not been a problem on any machines yet
[11:33] <topyli> epod: that's what we have all them crappy sound servers like esd for
[11:34] <epod> lol
[11:34] <topyli> it ain't pretty, but it almost works
[11:35] <tim1> yeah i got mixing to work, too, but it only works for output so i can't use my mic and skype with ubuntu :(
[11:35] <Xappe> muwu, set up a NAT with for example shorewall?
[11:35] <tim1> does anyone know how i can get that to work?
[11:35] <senator32> i still cant seem to mount anything with SMB4k
[11:35] <senator32> anybody help me please
[11:35] <topyli> tim1: you need something like a SB live or whatever is full-duplex
[11:36] <tim1> i have a " Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 02)" will that work?
[11:36] <topyli> good luck :)
[11:37] <holycow> senator32, why not just use nautilus from places > network to browse your windows shares?
[11:37] <holycow> smb4k is notoriously flakey
[11:37] <topyli> tim1: in other words, no :(
[11:37] <senator32> can it stream shares
[11:37] <senator32> ?
[11:37] <holycow> what do you mean stream shares?
[11:37] <senator32> like stream music shared on another computer
[11:37] <senator32> or a movie
[11:37] <tim1> so i need to by an extra sound card because there are no linux drivers?
[11:37] <holycow> senator32, that has nothing to do with what client you use
[11:37] <tim1> it works without problems in windows btw.
[11:38] <holycow> smb protocol handles all of that
[11:38] <senator32> hmmm
[11:38] <topyli> senator32: you can make the files available, that's what samba does
[11:38] <senator32> ok ill give it a try
[11:38] <holycow> try perhaps not making your life hard and use the tools already configured for you?
[11:38] <smouche> yes senator32; I had few problems doing that simply using smb-client (not full Samba), which I think is installed by default...
[11:38] <topyli> tim1: windows has the hardware specs, and thus the drivers
[11:38] <smouche> but I'm not using gnome anymore, so I don't know.
[11:38] <senator32> awsome
[11:38] <senator32> that must have been my issue in suse
[11:39] <topyli> tim1: like winmodems, winprinters...
[11:40] <topyli> senator32: i think i've heard that before -- "my issue with suse"... :)
[11:40] <tim1> yeah but audio outpuu works like a charm, with dmix and everything
[11:40] <tim1> so it's hard to belive for me that input won't work at all
[11:40] <senator32> lol
[11:40] <topyli> tim1: sure. but the full-duplex
[11:41] <topyli> tim1: input should work as well. i'm only talking about the duplex
[11:41] <smouche> jesus, #kubuntu desperately needs channel ops.  What a mess.
[11:41] <topyli> smouche: no ops here
[11:41] <topyli> why there?
[11:42] <KaiL_> whiskers needs somebody, who cuts of his cable...
[11:42] <tim1> but there are software solutions within alsa so that i can use skype or aren't there?
[11:42] <smouche> It seems to me there frequently are, or were, ops in here.
[11:42] <smouche> you folks are better behaved, apparently!
[11:42] <topyli> tim1: maybe. if you're looking for an expert, don't come a-knockin' :)
[11:43] <topyli> smouche: there were never ops here
[11:43] <senator32> hey i tryed just using samba to "stream" a song to my computer and it transfered the whole song first
[11:43] <smouche> topyli, my mistake then.
[11:43] <KaiL_> am I really the only with a nonwirking ACPI S3 around? :(
[11:43] <senator32> thats why i was trying to uses SMB4k
[11:43] <tim1> topyli: what does "a-knockin" mean, I'm not a native english speaker :-|
[11:44] <topyli> smouche: it's weird though. it's UBUNTU MAGIK i guess :)
[11:44] <smouche> I got kicked once, must have been a different channel.
[11:44] <holycow> senator32, that has nothing to do with the goddamned network browsing client!
[11:44] <holycow> jesus
[11:44] <topyli> tim1: knocking on my door
[11:44] <holycow> you either need an app that can do that ... and its not the network browsing client
[11:44] <tim1> ah ok, got it
[11:44] <senator32> it has everything to do with the mountinghg of the network drives thou
[11:44] <holycow> or you need a server on the other portion of the network to stream the tunes
[11:44] <Thorrn4> is there a way to unlock the root login?
[11:44] <holycow> jesus
[11:45] <slappy15> unlock the root login?
[11:45] <holycow> senator32, your just connecting to the share, that has nothing to do with streaming
[11:45] <topyli> Thorrn4: why?
[11:45] <holycow> basically you need a streaming media server for that
[11:45] <holycow> most media stream servers work over the net or network, should be easily configurable
[11:45] <ssam> thorn4 search sudo on the wiki
[11:46] <holycow> stop trying to do things that don't make sense
[11:46] <senator32> i realize....however it needs to consider the share on a mounted dive in order to play the song with out waiting to download the song from the server
[11:46] <ssam> thorn4, but do you really need to do that?
[11:46] <Thorrn4> topyli, nvm them, I dont need it; sorry 2 waste ur time
[11:46] <holycow> senator32, what needs to consider the share?
[11:46] <senator32> this makes perfect sense....ive had it working b4 in ubuntu
[11:46] <holycow> senator32, what you are explaining makes you sound like you escaped from an insane asylum
[11:46] <senator32> i have a laptop....i want to listen to my music on my main box
[11:46] <holycow> :) i mean that nicely
[11:46] <holycow> senator32, right
[11:46] <topyli> Thorrn4: you could have had a reason, then i'd waste time to tell you how to do it :)
[11:47] <holycow> two options please listen very carefully as you are already pissing me off, and i'm a nice guy :)
[11:47] <senator32> i want to click on the music and it start ti play
[11:47] <senator32> thats it
[11:47] <holycow> just shutup and listen
[11:47] <senator32> k
[11:47] <holycow> learn first talk second
[11:47] <topyli> heh
[11:47] <Cine> grrr... think I broke it...
[11:47] <smouche> jesus, maybe you all need some ops too... ;-)
[11:47] <holycow> method 1. is the same as having a playlist on your local system
[11:47] <thr1ce> there are ops in here
[11:48] <holycow> just as you would tell xmms in y our playlist that your files are on say your desktop
[11:48] <topyli> nooooooooo
[11:48] <smouche> topyli, did you hear that?
[11:48] <thr1ce> breezy's going strong...day 1
[11:48] <Thorrn4> topyli, on 2nd thought, can u tell me?
[11:48] <holycow> you can tell xmmms that they are on the mounted share
[11:48] <zero[] > is it possible to make panels in gnome really transparent (not just show the wallpaper no matter what's really underneath)?
[11:48] <topyli> Thorrn4: first, why?
[11:48] <cikilin> hello
[11:48] <holycow> how you mount the share doesn't matter, it has nothing to do with which client you do it with
[11:48] <dell500> howdy
[11:48] <holycow> ideally you want to do it with places > network servers or connect to server
[11:48] <cikilin> i mount an ide and after restart i have to mount again
[11:49] <topyli> Thorrn4: i don't have root on any box. you need a reason
[11:49] <holycow> k? your player and playlist is on your laptop, your files are on another machine, the playlist just downloads the files over the network, there is no streaming of any kind involved
[11:49] <holycow> it has nothing to do with anything you have said basically.
[11:49] <holycow> option 2. actually setup a streaming server on  your network
[11:49] <senator32> i guess that was my question....how ...or what do i use t mount a shared network drive
[11:49] <invictus> how can I disable the gdm startup sound on hoary?
[11:49] <holycow> thats exactly the same as option 1, except instead of xmms using a playlist to download files over the network ...
[11:50] <KaiL_> Thorrn4: enabling root is possible but quite often not needed, as sudo can do the same....
[11:50] <holycow> your talking again
[11:50] <holycow> i told you to shutup
[11:50] <holycow> don't talk until i say so
[11:50] <holycow> :)
[11:50] <topyli> holycow: you're not very nice now
[11:50] <Thorrn4> topyli, I want to add a file to the...bin folder for example, it will not allow me; I want to add a theme to the usr/share/theme folder, but I cannot
[11:50] <holycow> like i was saying, if you have as streaming server on  your network, instead of xmms having a playlist that points to actual files on the network, the playlist points to the server on the network
[11:51] <holycow> in both cases all you are doing is simply mounting a share, via samba, how its done makes no difference
[11:51] <holycow> option a is the simples
[11:51] <holycow> k. done :) now talk
[11:51] <senator32> k
[11:51] <senator32> thx
[11:51] <topyli> Thorrn4: say, you want to do "foo". now you do "sudo foo". it will ask for your own password and complete the command
[11:51] <senator32> i will try option a
[11:52] <holycow> topyli, i gotta reduce the noise a bit otherwise they flail about as if they have epilepsy its hard to outline the concepts and ideas so then can solve their own problems otherwise :)
[11:52] <topyli> heh
[11:52] <holycow> senator32, no offense, i meant that humorously :)
[11:52] <senator32> yea i know
[11:52] <KingArthur10> hello, I've a question for anyone who knows.  I'm having problems with my sound.  It works, but only for certain things like Gaim and system and XMMS.  I can't get games to play sounds, and can't get flash files to play in firefox.
[11:52] <KingArthur10> any ideas?
[11:52] <senator32> i just had this working on another machine and this install is pissing me off
[11:52] <Xappe> holycow: did you, or did you not take your tranquilizers today? ;)
[11:53] <holycow> senatotr, places > connect to server
[11:53] <topyli> KingArthur10: for debugging, open a terminal and do 'killall esd', then try those games
[11:53] <holycow> select windows share most likely ... what is the other computer that storing the music, winders box?
[11:53] <holycow> Xappe, :) lol
[11:53] <senator32> yea
[11:53] <senator32> im in kde currently
[11:54] <holycow> oh shit
[11:54] <senator32> so there is no places
[11:54] <holycow> ha!
[11:54] <senator32> yea
[11:54] <holycow> fark sorry thats why your doing smb4k?
[11:54] <senator32> yea
[11:54] <senator32> couldn't talk...lol
[11:54] <holycow> smb4k still has nothing to do with streaming, your options are as was outline
[11:54] <Netsnipe> hey everyone
[11:54] <KingArthur10> topyli, that cured the problem for games, but not for flash files online
[11:54] <holycow> smb4k is flaky, try something else
[11:54] <holycow> linneighbourhood is better
[11:54] <topyli> Thorrn4: what i mean is, use sudo so you don't have to use root
[11:55] <Netsnipe> quick question, but does hoary ship with centrino firmware on the CD?
[11:55] <senator32> i'll dl it now
[11:55] <topyli> Thorrn4: let me find you an useful link, hold on
[11:55] <Thorrn4> ok thank you
[11:56] <timing> okay is there anybody here who changed his sources.list and did apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade; from a one year old debian sarge box to a ubuntu hoary box without problems?
[11:56] <timing> i want to try
[11:56] <holycow> senator32, konqueror is basically what you use in kde for browsing windows network, but its been way too long since i've used it ...
[11:56] <holycow> linneighbourhood is the only client i've had success with
[11:56] <topyli> KingArthur10: well, flash may be broken in ways you can't imagine. do you have flash-nonfree? it works better
[11:56] <KingArthur10> netsnipe, technically, yes, horay ships with centrino drivers (don't think firmware), but on my Inspiron 8600, it doesn't work
[11:56] <Airo> timing, I got frustrated doing dist-upgrade from one debian to another
[11:57] <topyli> Thorrn4: here's a nice lecture for you :)
[11:57] <Airo> woody -> sarge or whatever'
[11:57] <topyli> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[11:57] <Thorrn4> ok topyli, hit me
[11:57] <senator32> holycow, yea...im installing linneighborhood now
[11:57] <KingArthur10> hrrmmm.....never heard of flash-nonfree.  lemme check it out
[11:57] <Netsnipe> KingArthur10: so technically, ipw2100/2200 does not work out of the box on ubuntu?
[11:57] <topyli> Thorrn4: ^^^
[11:57] <holycow> Airo, yeah thatas a huge jump, it should work but there can be snags with such a large move
[11:58] <Airo> holycow, yeps
[11:58] <Goonie> My hoary install came witw ipw2200 v. 0.19 ... How long will it be until ipw2200 v. 1.03 will be stable and apt will upgrade?
[11:58] <topyli> Thorrn4: found it?
[11:58] <Airo> blah.. sleep
[11:58] <topyli> wuss
[11:58] <Thorrn4> topyli, yea...Im reading it
[11:59] <topyli> Thorrn4: it's not really something you have to read through. just enough to see why ubuntu has no root