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| Speedy2 | Hey all. Can anyone detail what changes are made between the "raw" KDE 3.4 release and the Kubuntu version? | 02:39 |
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| amu | hmm if you read the logfiles, could be 1 way, well it takes days to explain it :) | 02:42 |
| amu | logfile==changelogs | 02:43 |
| Speedy2 | amu: Where is this changelog located? | 02:45 |
| amu | http://people.ubuntu.com/~mvo/changelogs/pool/main/ | 02:46 |
| Speedy2 | I'm just curious if any core changes have been made, or if they have been cosmetic, such as the graphic image, etc | 02:46 |
| Speedy2 | Hrm | 02:46 |
| amu | well some of them are done ... some of them are still in progress ... | 02:46 |
| Speedy2 | I see kdelibs, but only 3.3.2 | 02:46 |
| Speedy2 | amu: Well, my preference is to get as close as to a RAW KDE 3.4 setup as possible | 02:47 |
| Speedy2 | (i.e. I prefer minimal amount of changes) | 02:47 |
| Speedy2 | But I wanted to understand what changes were made. | 02:47 |
| dato | Speedy2: http://packages.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/ | 02:48 |
| amu | hmm you're right, mvo do the changelogs, you can ask him directly | 02:48 |
| dato | amu: see url above :) | 02:48 |
| amu | dato: .oO ic ;) | 02:50 |
| Speedy2 | Hrm. Looks like mostly cosmetic changes | 02:51 |
| Riddell | Speedy2: sudo support is the most core change | 02:54 |
| Speedy2 | Hey there Riddell | 02:55 |
| Speedy2 | Riddell: Understood. Support for things like a USB pen-drive being plugged-in and appearing on desktop, that just makes use of KDE's HAL and so-on? | 02:55 |
| Riddell | yes | 03:00 |
| Speedy2 | Cool. | 03:02 |
| Riddell | very early draft of the roadmap: http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuRoadmap | 04:29 |
| Speedy2 | Riddell: Thanks a lot, that was really really informative. | 05:27 |
| Speedy2 | System Preferences from Ben Meyer (IceFox) is really damn cool looking. If I'm not mistaken, I think he gets a lot of his inspiration from OS X :) | 05:28 |
| Riddell | yes he does :) | 06:32 |
| Speedy2 | Is that an actual program or just a mock up? | 07:02 |
| Speedy2 | I guess I could ask Ben... | 07:02 |
| Speedy2 | Riddell: Small issue on that roadmap: "better menu hormony GNOME-KDE" | 07:07 |
| Speedy2 | I'm assuming you meant "harmony" :) | 07:07 |
| Riddell | Speedy2: it's an actualy program, I had it working once but it doesn't want to work just now | 07:08 |
| Riddell | Speedy2: I'm still proofreading it :) | 07:09 |
| Riddell | then it has to be edited by the editor dudes then approved by the important canonical dudes | 07:09 |
| Riddell | then profit! | 07:09 |
| Speedy2 | ;) | 07:12 |
| Speedy2 | drop an 'm' and an 'o' and the meaning really changes. | 07:13 |
| Speedy2 | I hear that business is profitable! | 07:13 |
| amu | s/profit/world domination | 07:38 |
| Riddell | "Kubuntu Breezy comes with world peace included" | 07:41 |
| amu | "powered by Pope BENEDICTVM XVI" | 08:45 |
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| KaiL | maybe interesting for ubuntu: http://dot.kde.org/1114349315/ | 10:39 |
| KaiL | an MS Access replacement... | 10:39 |
| Riddell | hmm, we don't seem to have knoda packaged | 10:59 |
| Riddell | it's still in pre-beta | 10:59 |
| Riddell | as is kexi | 11:00 |
| Riddell | we should look at them both and work out if one is usable | 11:00 |
| KaiL | are there plans to add matrox' "mtx"-Module to linux-restricted-modules? | 11:04 |
| Riddell | never heard of it, you'd have to ask ubuntu | 11:05 |
| KaiL | btw. what I've seen as doing support in #kubuntu the screen detection is the most problematic point on install | 11:10 |
| Riddell | interesting. there's been some BoFs about that here but I've not gone to any | 11:11 |
| KaiL | BoFs? | 11:12 |
| Riddell | I think what's needed is a config tool to be able to fix that manualls (without editing xong.conf by hand) but daniels doesn't like that | 11:12 |
| Riddell | birds of feather meeting, this ubuntu conference is based around small meetings of people interested in topics | 11:12 |
| KaiL | ah | 11:13 |
| KaiL | the best would be, if we could depend on Xorg own DDC detection and only enhance this (with a fallback, after which the user gets asked ;) | 11:16 |
| Riddell | enhanced detection is what they want | 11:17 |
| KaiL | and there the user only needs to select resolution + refreshrate from a list, as in the medium level in dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg :) | 11:18 |
| KaiL | if you can avoid writing the information to xorg.conf, changing the screen is more easy | 11:20 |
| KaiL | btw. do you know, why hotplug doesn't handle AGP devices? | 11:22 |
| KaiL | or is that only a leftover from sarge here? | 11:23 |
| Riddell | AGP == accelarated graphics port? can you hotplug that? | 11:26 |
| KaiL | hotplug also handles the driver loading on boot ;) | 11:27 |
| Riddell | ah right. not sure, I havn't been to the hotplug BoFs either :) | 11:28 |
| Riddell | that sort of thing needs to be taken up with the relevant ubuntu developers | 11:29 |
| KaiL | on sarge you see a nice "PCI-ID 1:00:00 ignored, on ubuntu you "only" see that the module isn't loaded later | 11:29 |
| KaiL | PCI-ID 01:00.0.. | 11:30 |
| Speedy2 | Using DDC can be problematic for displays using a BNC cable | 12:10 |
| Speedy2 | (i.e. no DB-15) | 12:10 |
| Speedy2 | The frustrating part is that normally the X configuration tools will ask you a sync range, instead of asking you to specify a vertical refresh rate | 12:11 |
| Speedy2 | How these things can be arcane in 2005 is beyond me. | 12:13 |
| Riddell | BNC cable cable? like ethernet thinnet? | 12:14 |
| Speedy2 | Sort of | 12:14 |
| Speedy2 | Higher end CRTs will have BNC inputs | 12:15 |
| Speedy2 | Seperate inputs for R,G,B and H-Sync & V-Sync | 12:15 |
| Speedy2 | No DDC in that case | 12:15 |
| Riddell | don't they have VGA? | 12:15 |
| Speedy2 | VGA == Red, Green, Blue + Hsync + Vsync | 12:15 |
| Speedy2 | The DDC stuff was added on to some unused pins | 12:15 |
| Speedy2 | For instance, the monitor I have, Mitsubishi DiamondPro 900u has DB-15 and BNC inputs | 12:16 |
| Speedy2 | If I hook it up via BNC, DDC detection fails and the stupid xconfig or xf86config or whatever puts it to 60 Hz. | 12:16 |
| Speedy2 | I say put an "advanced" option where the user can specify the resolution, refresh rate and ask the monitor size to calculate the DPI | 12:17 |
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