[12:00] <whiskers> Far^Side, if you go back to 5.04...you are asking for a lot of headaches...some of which have been resolved recently...and some still remain
[12:01] <Far^Side> whiskers, hmm... ok
[12:01] <Anlar> 1.2 gig? uhh lol
[12:01] <bhna> Anlar: i hav no problems with i686-smp kernel with p4 and ht
[12:01] <whiskers> Far^Side, if things are freezing up....i would first check the drivers...or configurations.
[12:01] <Far^Side> whiskers, ok
[12:01] <KaiL> Far^Side: install logrotate
[12:02] <KaiL> will make syslog smaler :)
[12:02] <KaiL> much smaler
[12:02] <Anlar> bhna: certain motherboards have caused problems all the way.. most usually Asus boards. but yeah, not many have bumped into it
[12:02] <whiskers> Far^Side, also...you could have memory or hardware problems...depending on how badly the entire system is freezing up
[12:02] <Anlar> still, 1.2 gigs is a lot.. I couldn't get that much logs in 5 years I bet
[12:02] <Far^Side> it is strange that it's so big, I just reinstalled kubuntu yesterday...
[12:03] <Anlar> perhaps there's your errors :)
[12:03] <whiskers> Far^Side, it is large...it cannot be helped because there are just many pieces to the jigsaw puzzle that makes a desktop
[12:03] <whiskers> Far^Side, but not as large as gentoo...so in a real sense it has some efficiency
[12:04] <bhna> Anlar: i have an intel board
[12:04] <Far^Side> whiskers, well, I don't think there is a HW problem, I were running Kubuntu AMD64 before. Uptime of 11 days
[12:04] <whiskers> Far^Side, well you should see uptimes in years...not days....except when you want to reboot or you are involved in a rebooting process of somekind
[12:05] <Anlar> bhna: the -smp kernels just crash on my board and I know couple other guys that have similar problems. but yeah, hand mades work nicely when you know the options.
[12:05] <smouche> does syslog get overwritten on every boot?  mine is only showing info from my last boot.
[12:05] <Far^Side> whiskers, yes, I know. But I do shutdown my computer some times
[12:06] <whiskers> Far^Side, well of course...we all do...who wants to pay the stupid electric bill.
[12:06] <Far^Side> lol
[12:06] <whiskers> Far^Side, but uh...this kernel has been quite stable here for quite a while....and i am not running any weird hardware.
[12:07] <Chin2> can someone help? I'm trying to update via synaptic but it's giving me this error
[12:07] <Chin2> E: /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4-0x1.6b7820000005ap-1363.4.0-0ubuntu3.1_all.deb:  trying to overwrite `/usr/share/icons/default.kde', which is also in package knetworkconf
[12:07] <whiskers> Far^Side, so i think if you get standard Linux hardware ...you should not have too many problems with the kernel...except on esoteric issues.
[12:07] <Chin2> ?
[12:07] <bhna> Anlar: the vanilla-smp kernel or the ubuntu-kernel?
[12:07] <Chin2> I went to this thread but I'm not sure whose advice to take: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=28721
[12:08] <Anlar> chin2: sudo dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4-0x1.6b7820000005ap-1363.4.0-0ubuntu3.1_all.deb
[12:08] <Chin2> so forcing is okay? someone said it was dangerous...?
[12:08] <Anlar> bhna: ubuntu. yeah, I know.. just have been too busy to fix the stuff.
[12:08] <Anlar> chin2: all it does is overwrites one icon file.
[12:08] <Chin2> ha ha
[12:08] <Shaquile> I just wont work... MaxTimeTap 0 doesn't disable tapping
[12:08] <Chin2> okay, will try that.
[12:09] <bhna> good night, by
[12:10] <whiskers> Far^Side, there are approximately 20,000,000 articles on the Linux Hardware Guide....so i would go read them...and try to get a better understanding of the issues.
[12:10] <Chin2> is there a way to copy text from Konversation into a console window?
[12:11] <Chin2> oops, right click, nevermind :)
[12:11] <pussfeller> you can drag alot of selections in konsole as well
[12:11] <Curalton> also on *nix middle click pastes the latest selected text
[12:11] <Far^Side> whiskers, ok
[12:12] <Chin2> Anlar: I tried your suggestion and it threw an error saying it cannot access archive/no such file or directory
[12:13] <Anlar> chin2: ah well, there's a script on the topic as well to fix it - it should work
[12:15] <Chin2> Anlar: this seemed to work: sudo dpkg --force-overwrite -i /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4%3a3.4.0-0ubuntu3.1_all.deb
[12:17] <Chin2> Anlar: thanks for the help
[12:17] <Curalton> how can i add a shutdownbutton to the desktop (or make a script that does it and gets called by the button)? i already found the option to set what to do after logout via kdmctrl, but no further :/
[12:17] <Curalton> (http://webcvs.kde.org/kdebase/kdm/README?rev=2.36&view=auto)
[12:21] <smouche> Curalton, you can add a "lock/logout" applet to the kicker, if that's what you mean...
[12:21] <Curalton> yes, but im searching something more simple (kubuntu box for my grandmother :)
[12:21] <Chin2> Anlar: hey, I logged out and logged back in and my kicker is totally screwed up, any ideas?
[12:22] <smouche> Chin2, just did an dist-upgrade, right?
[12:22] <Chin2> no
[12:22] <Curalton> kdmctl shutdown halt forcenow - that makes it shut down *after* session termination, is there a "kde way" to quite except "killall kdeinit"?
[12:22] <smouche> don't know why that happens or how to fix it, but it's happened to me a few times.
[12:22] <Chin2> just a regular upgrade
[12:23] <Chin2> it sucks because I am using this machine for a huge 3D project that is due ASAP
[12:23] <Chin2> that's why I'm on IRC :)
[12:23] <Chin2> do you know how to restore it or my old settings? when I logged in the configure KDE wizard popped up
[12:24] <Chin2> I felt that sinking feeling
[12:24] <Curalton> hmm, dcop kwin or so wont allow such a thing either 
[12:24] <smouche> hmmm -- this has come up before, I don't remember if there's anything you can do to restore 
[12:25] <Chin2> Well then, do you happen to know how I can put the K menu back? :)
[12:25] <smouche> Chin2, let me see if I logged anything about this; I'll search.  May take a while though, but stay put...
[12:25] <Chin2> thanks
[12:31] <flyphisher1> Chin2, I don't know if there is a better way but for me i removed the .kde dir in my home and then restarted X, ran through the wizard again and it was back.
[12:32] <Chin2> thanks flyphisher1. I guess if it only affected my kicker bar then it won't take long to fix.
[12:34] <smouche> Chin2, all I find is lots of complaints about the problem, but no solutions
[12:34] <Chin2> thanks anyway, smouche
[12:34] <Chin2> no problem.
[12:34] <pajohn> hey, i just switched to kubuntu from fedora, and I have a question
[12:34] <pajohn> did i enter a password for root when i installed it?
[12:34] <smouche> no, pajohn - with kubuntu
[12:35] <smouche> you just use your regular user with the sudo command
[12:35] <pajohn> oh ok
[12:35] <pajohn> so i can't get a terminal shell?
[12:35] <smouche> sure you can
[12:35] <pajohn> using sudo?
[12:35] <smouche> you can get a root terminal, somewhere in the menus if you want
[12:36] <smouche> or just use sudo
[12:36] <flyphisher1> pajohn sudo konsole
[12:36] <Chin2> um...how do I restart the kicker bar? It just died and went away
[12:36] <smouche> you can also open apps with sudo first, if you want, like sudo kcontrol , etc
[12:36] <pajohn> yeah
[12:37] <spiritz> Chin2: just type kicker& in any console
[12:37] <smouche> Chin2, just Alt F2  ---> kicker
[12:37] <Chin2> is just "kicker" okay?
[12:37] <spiritz> yes
[12:37] <Chin2> thanks, it worked.
[12:37] <smouche> oops, why the &?
[12:37] <smouche> Chin2, I actually set up a launcher to do that!
[12:37] <Chin2> what's a launcher?
[12:37] <spiritz> remove the & if you do ALT+F2
[12:38] <smouche> an icon to launch a program
[12:38] <Chin2> ah, okay, I can see why :)
[12:38] <spiritz> & allows to run a app in background so you keep your console available for other things
[12:38] <Chin2> ah, so if I close konsole like so...
[12:39] <Chin2> oh wait, kicker's still there...?
[12:40] <smouche> spiritz !  thank you --
[12:40] <smouche> that's cool, I didn't know that command option. neat
[12:41] <smouche> Chin2, some apps will continue when you close the console (thankfully) but others will shut down if you close it.
[12:42] <smouche> anyway, try to use the run program thing whenever you can - Alt F2
[12:43] <Chin2> good to know. Looks like I'm back to normal now. Thanks for the help
[12:44] <smouche> np
[12:47] <closure> hello everyone
[12:48] <closure> any new updates in the past 48hrs or so?
[12:54] <kkathman> hey there smouche :)
[12:54] <smouche> hey kkathman.  
[12:55] <smouche> good to see you
[12:55] <kkathman> smouche: right back atcha :)
[12:55] <smouche> you back home or still on the road?
[12:55] <kkathman> smouche: home for this week and next :)
[12:55] <smouche> good deal.
[12:56] <kkathman> smouche: hey did you install kubuntu by disk or through apt-get?
[12:56] <smouche> lol, funny you ask kkathman, 
[12:57] <smouche> cause I was just thinking about your theory that installing ubuntu first
[12:57] <kkathman> smouche: I only ask because I wondered if you install by disk, if KDE is the only desktop you get
[12:57] <smouche> was preferable to the kubuntu disk
[12:57] <smouche> if installing with kubuntu disk, you just get kde
[12:58] <kkathman> smouche: well someone came in earlier today, and had hosed up their KDE...and  therefore had no way to remove it and reinstall it, because he didnt have an alternate dm
[12:58] <smouche> I've done it both ways, hoary-with-gnome with apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[12:58] <smouche> and then later, reinstalled just from kubuntu hoary release candidate
[12:59] <smouche> I haven't tried either stable release iso yet.
[12:59] <kkathman> I figure it you install hoary (ya get gnome) and do the kubuntu-desktop, and something goes wrong with KDE you can always logout, login to Gnome, and do a apt-get remove kubuntu-desktop and reinstall it
[12:59] <smouche> kkathman, I think your idea is sound - best just install ubuntu, then add kubuntu
[01:00] <kkathman> I think thats possibly good advice for novices for sure...dont know about anyone else
[01:00] <smouche> you're right, kkathman.  Makes sense.
[01:00] <smouche> I have xfce on here, as a failsafe
[01:00] <kkathman> yeah see I have wmaker and gnome
[01:01] <kkathman> xfce is nice, but it clobbered my gnome install once :)
[01:01] <smouche> you know, kkathman, seems to me I read that wmmaker is installed by default with all kde installs, or am I crazy?
[01:02] <smouche> I don't know how to log in to wmmaker, if I've got it though-- doesn't appear in log-in menus
[01:03] <smouche> one problem with having both kde and gnome on here, was for some reason, gnome wouldn't let me reboot or shutdown from its log-out screen.
[01:04] <smouche> how did xfce mess up your gnome, kkathman?
[01:04] <closure> i was kinda curious of that myself
[01:04] <smouche> it's played nice with kde so far, despite adding some mysterious junk to my menus...
[01:06] <kkathman> smouche: I dunno... it was when I was on that 96mb machine. I had installed standard warty, gnome was ok. I installed xfce, and it ran great when I logged in, but when I tried to log into gnome again, it never came back up
[01:06] <closure> smouche, godamn i hate when apps do that
[01:07] <kkathman> smouche:  And I dont have native wmaker on my kde...but then I did a hoary + apt-get kubuntu-desktop
[01:07] <kkathman> maybe the kubuntu install disk does that
[01:07] <smouche> kkathman, I'm probably dreaming that...
[01:08] <kkathman> well maybe not...Im not saying one way or another :)
[01:08] <closure> kkathman, what is "native wmaker"
[01:08] <closure> kkathman, not being rude i'm curious and new to linux world so i'm trying to learn terms and such
[01:08] <Tm_T> hullo
[01:08] <kkathman> native wmaker...i.e. when I did an apt-get install kubuntu-desktop it did not install wmaker at the same time
[01:08] <NTolerance> anyone know how to change the font size of Gnome apps in KDE?
[01:09] <smouche> I think maybe I'm just getting confused with some sort of bare-bones X gui that I've seen pop up sometimes...
[01:09] <closure> kkathman, i thought KDE was the window maker?
[01:09] <kkathman> native...in that case for me that it wasnt installed automatically
[01:09] <smouche> closure -- "window maker" being a particular type of "window manager" - kde being another
[01:10] <closure> oh ok
[01:10] <kkathman> closure: KDE is a desktop manager so is wmaker
[01:10] <smouche> (and more than just that)
[01:10] <closure> i see i see so what is the benefit of window maker?
[01:10] <smouche> in gnome, with ubuntu anyway, the window manager is metacity, and I hate it.
[01:11] <kkathman> right..a window manager is different...metacity for gnome and I think KDE has its own
[01:11] <smouche> kkathman, I think I got that wrong about other window managers coming in by default with kde...
[01:11] <closure> oh ok so that's what that meta city junk was i removed
[01:11] <kkathman> closure: some desktop managers are thinner for systems that need that
[01:11] <closure> when i converted to KDE someone told me to delete that nad gnome libs
[01:12] <closure> wasn't sure what it was
[01:12] <smouche> I'm just used to so many distros installing so many different environments!
[01:12] <closure> kkathman, so can i change my window manager in KDE?
[01:12] <kkathman> closure: for instance wmaker is very thin, so it xfce, both gnome and KDE are a little thicker
[01:12] <smouche> I played with IceWM once, kind of nice
[01:12] <kkathman> closure: you cannot change your window manager in KDE
[01:13] <closure> and xfce and wmaker are very basic desktops environments right?
[01:13] <kkathman> closure: well, let me put it this way....you might, but I dont know how or if you'd want to
[01:13] <smouche> but, closure, you can add a desktop environment to your kubuntu install that will let you log in to a different thing from kde
[01:13] <smouche> if you want
[01:13] <kkathman> closure: yes...KDE, Gnome, IceWM, wmaker, xfce are all graphical desktop managers
[01:13] <closure> smouche hrm perhaps that is what i will play witht his evening
[01:14] <kkathman> most are available through the apt-get system or if you use synaptic
[01:14] <smouche> closure, people generally rave about xfce4.  It's very fast, looks nice.
[01:14] <closure> smouche, i have heard a lot about it but all the screen shots it looks very cheap not polished
[01:14] <closure> smouche, can you change that?
[01:14] <kkathman> yep I tried xfce, its hard to install (or was under warty) but it looks really nice and its very fast on systems with limited RAM
[01:15] <smouche> well, it's minimal, closure, that's true.  But I really like the window themes
[01:15] <closure> hrm
[01:15] <kkathman> closure: One thing I did NOT like about XFCE is that you cannot put icons on the desktop
[01:16] <kkathman> everything goes on the menus
[01:16] <closure> kkathman, i don't really use my desktop like that so i don't guess that would bother me, though does it have a "start" menu type thing and an application bar?
[01:16] <smouche> kkathman, I think you can get some sort of manager to do that -- for example, if you have gnome installed, I think you can get nautilus to draw the xfce desktop
[01:16] <smouche> but the icons will be screwy!
[01:16] <smouche> nah, maybe I'm thinking of IceWM
[01:17] <kkathman> wmaker is very limited
[01:17] <smouche> I've heard rumors about some sort of ubuntu-ized packaging for xfce coming up -- don't know if it's true...
[01:18] <kkathman> dont know about that...I remember I had to install several packages before it would install
[01:18] <closure> smouche, i was about to ask if i could just apt-get xfce
[01:18] <smouche> check the repos, best use synaptic to see the package descriptions
[01:19] <Tm_T> smouche o/
[01:19] <kkathman> have to get it from here:  http://www.xfce.org/
[01:19] <kkathman> hey Tm_T :)
[01:19] <smouche> it is a little involved, a lot of different packages.. hey Tm_T!
[01:19] <smouche> how ya doing?
[01:19] <Tm_T> kkathman: hi :)
[01:19] <smouche> been a while
[01:19] <Tm_T> just fine
[01:19] <Tm_T> yes
[01:20] <kkathman> good Tm_T ... missed you lately...I must be on a diff schedule than you :)
[01:20] <Tm_T> well, haven't been here for a week or so
[01:21] <kkathman> ahhh well then that would explain it
[01:21] <smouche> how are things in, what is it, North Karelia?
[01:21] <Tm_T> smouche: yes, well, same old I think
[01:21] <smouche> or South Carnalia, or sideways Cornelia, or...
[01:21] <Tm_T> haha
[01:24] <Tm_T> eah, should make homepage, but lost ideas
[01:24] <Tm_T> and very fine english, I afraid ;p
[01:24] <kkathman> Sometimes you feel creative and sometimes you dont.. I know the feeling
[01:24] <smouche> Well, if you build it (the page) they will come (the ideas)
[01:24] <smouche> maybe
[01:25] <kkathman> sometimes
[01:25] <kkathman> Im creating a new page for a dentist now
[01:25] <smouche> sometimes I feel like a nut, no , always I feel like a nut
[01:25] <kkathman> have to be careful with colors and what you put on the page :)
[01:26] <Tm_T> just don't know should I use php or plain html, or use css etc etc
[01:26] <smouche> yeah, me, I like a black font on a black background, but visitors complain.
[01:26] <kkathman> always use CSS no matter what
[01:26] <smouche> css is insanely wonderful
[01:26] <kkathman> use php if you need interactive forms or dynamic content
[01:27] <kkathman> CSS is the next best thing to sliced bread
[01:27] <Tm_T> hmm, maybe just html&css does it fine
[01:28] <smouche> I love fluid pages; I'm a maniac -- if I see a nice looking page, first thing I do is narrow the window down to nothing, just to see if it still works
[01:28] <smouche> so far I'm too lazy to do any page design myself... ;-)
[01:29] <Tm_T> heh
[01:29] <Tm_T> maybe I steal one css and edit it to my use :p
[01:29] <closure> I HAVE FOUND THE GAIM UPDATES! WOOHOO!
[01:29] <kkathman> lol closure
[01:29] <Tm_T> closure: what version?
[01:29] <kkathman> I compiled the latest version just recently
[01:29] <smouche> whoa, in the repos, closure?
[01:30] <closure> apparently they're in the breezy repos
[01:30] <Tm_T> kkathman: I used that auto-something
[01:30] <smouche> ah hah
[01:30] <closure> how do i access the breezy repos for just apps and not the base?
[01:30] <kkathman> yeah I know Tm_T :)
[01:30] <closure> i'm not too comfortable going that cutting edge as i'm still new to this thing
[01:30] <smouche> closure, I was just wondering that myself...
[01:30] <kkathman> closure, thats not a good idea
[01:30] <Tm_T> but that kdelibs-data problem stinks
[01:31] <kkathman> Tm_T there is a fix
[01:31] <smouche> yeah, closure, you might get into a dependency hell there...
[01:31] <kkathman> http://moba.linuxfaqs.de/kdelibs-debug.sh
[01:31] <Tm_T> thanks!
[01:31] <kkathman> save that and run the script at the shell
[01:31] <Tm_T> root?
[01:31] <kkathman> yeah I think so
[01:31] <Tm_T> ok
[01:32] <closure> Tm_T, that's partially the reason i'm skerred to move to breezy repos
[01:32] <kkathman> closure: its probably not a good idea to mix versions...
[01:32] <Tm_T> =)
[01:32] <closure> that kdelibs bug sucked salty balls took me a solid 2 hours maybe more to reconfig everything
[01:33] <smouche> it's way too early to go with breezy, imho...
[01:33] <closure> kkathman, yeah
[01:33] <closure> smouche, that's what i'm thinking
[01:33] <Tm_T> kkathman: oh yes, is it mentioned in ubuntuforums?
[01:33] <closure> smouche, but i wouldn't think running a never version of gaim would be bad?
[01:33] <kkathman> closure: if you want breezy apps, just go for it and do an upgrade, but for me, its just too early to commit to it
[01:34] <smouche> I was fine moving from warty to hoary, system actually became more stable, but that was within two months of the stable hoary release
[01:34] <closure> smouche, that's about the time i changed as well
[01:34] <closure> when is the breezy release suppose to be official?
[01:34] <kkathman> you can get most of the apps through hoary anyway, maybe in universe or multiverse. You might need to remove the comment marks on those in your /etc/apt/sources.list file
[01:34] <smouche> closure, for Gaim, maybe you should just build it yourself, like kkathman did
[01:35] <smouche> closure, breezy isn't do for nearly six months
[01:35] <closure> smouche, i am not that skilled
[01:35] <kkathman> closure:  well, I doubt breezy will be final any time soon...they just went final with hoary less than about 3 weeks ago
[01:35] <closure> how exactly do you do it?
[01:35] <smouche> ubuntu/kubuntu is on a six month cycle/
[01:35] <closure> did not realize that
[01:35] <kkathman> smouche: People that are on the breezy right now are updating sometimes every hour and getting 50-60 updates per.
[01:36] <smouche> lol, I haven't built anything from source yet either, closure --
[01:36] <kkathman> smouche its not hard
[01:37] <smouche> but if I weren't so lazy, I'd -- heh heh, make kkathman talk me through it...
[01:37] <smouche> ;-)
[01:37] <closure> kkathman, how exactly does one climb that mountain?
[01:37] <smouche> by standing on kkathman's shoulders!
[01:37] <kkathman> smouche: first you make sure you have the compilers...so you sudo apt-get install gcc  g++ build-essentials
[01:37] <kkathman> then download the source, do a configure, make and make install
[01:38] <kkathman> Hey I learned from Tm_T :)
[01:38] <closure> hrm
[01:38] <kkathman> I'll be glad to help you in whatever way I can
[01:38] <closure> yah maybe it's just cause i'm from the south but that was a little fast for me
[01:38] <closure> could you break that down a bit further
[01:38] <closure> lol
[01:38] <kkathman> the big thing is that you get these messages that you have to install other packages, so it takes a little time to get those
[01:38] <smouche> kkathman, you know, I think I may put breezy on my older laptop, just for the hell of it.  I kinda miss the upgrade blizzards!
[01:38] <kkathman> haha smouche
[01:39] <kkathman> closure: sure... first, get to a terminal, and do the sudo apt-get install on these three packages.... build-essentials, gcc and g++
[01:40] <closure> i *think* i have those but not possitive
[01:40] <smouche> ok, I'm in on this too, you in, closure?
[01:40] <closure> yeah smouche 
[01:40] <closure> i'm going at it now!
[01:40] <kkathman> so...you'd go to the terminal and do    sudo apt-get update,    then,    sudo apt-get install build-essentials,  sudo apt-get install gcc....etc
[01:41] <closure> hrm
[01:41] <smouche> ( closure, you might want to log this chat for reference later )
[01:41] <closure> lol i always log #kubuntu and #ubuntu
[01:41] <closure> i never know when this damn laptop is gonna crap out
[01:41] <smouche> me too
[01:41] <Tm_T> kkathman: what?
[01:42] <kkathman> what what?
[01:42] <closure> this is really my toy it's a p3 450mhz/200mb ram
[01:42] <smouche> kkathman, er sorry, what's the command to see if I have those packages already?
[01:42] <Tm_T> 02:38 < kkathman> Hey I learned from Tm_T :)
[01:42] <kkathman> Tm_T how to compile things
[01:42] <smouche> I may have installed build essentials already...
[01:42] <Tm_T> oh, yes :)
[01:42] <kkathman> if you try to install and its already there, it will just say "gcc is at its current version" or something like that
[01:42] <smouche> closure, good deal, we got kkathman, and we got the guy kkathman learned this from1
[01:42] <Tm_T> kkathman: is it bad idea if I mention about that script in ubuntuforums?
[01:43] <smouche> !
[01:43] <smouche> thnaks kkathman
[01:43] <kkathman> no Tm_T its at the beginning of this channel when you log in
[01:43] <closure> Tm_T, the fix for the kdelibs?
[01:43] <Tm_T> yes
[01:43] <closure> Tm_T, it's probably a very good idea.
[01:43] <Tm_T> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=28837&page=3&pp=10&s=ab538c8ccc7ac1cc844136dafb7fb8a4&
[01:44] <Tm_T> looks like it's not mentioned
[01:44] <closure> Tm_T, that thing is gonna be detremintal to folks like myself though don't use IRC
[01:44] <Tm_T> so I'll do it
[01:44] <kkathman> thats kewl
[01:44] <closure> give KaiL props for it he wrote it
[01:44] <kkathman> I have heard that it doesnt help everyone
[01:44] <kkathman> but it DID work for me
[01:44] <smouche> drat, I don't have the right repos enabled for build-essentials apparently
[01:44] <Tm_T> I mention that then
[01:45] <Tm_T> closure: ok, I'll do it
[01:45] <closure> kkathman, i was told by one guy that he switched to breezy to fix it lol just to beat that dead horse
[01:45] <kkathman> smouche: dont know exactly, but go to your /etc/apt/sources.list and enable universe and multiverse
[01:45] <closure> smouche, i didn't have it listed
[01:46] <kkathman> closure: well thats ok....I would have just logged out, logged into gnome, and done a apt-get remove kubuntu-desktop and reinstalled it
[01:46] <closure> kkathman, haha! i was DETERMINED not to reinstall. that's why i moved to linux on this laptop i was reinstalling microsoft's bogus crap every few days
[01:46] <kkathman> you can always check to see if its there by doing a   apt-cache search <pkgname>
[01:47] <kkathman> lol
[01:47] <closure> smouche, it's build-essential
[01:47] <smouche> wow, weird, I don't even have a line for multiverse in there; thought I had only commented it out...
[01:47] <smouche> must have got really paranoid!
[01:48] <kkathman> sorry I misspelled it guyz.... its build-essential (singular)
[01:48] <kkathman> so... sudo apt-get install build-essential
[01:48] <kkathman> I appologize
[01:48] <Tm_T> oh
[01:50] <closure> damn i'm hungry my hangover just went away lol brb guys
[01:50] <kkathman> Tm_T: does build-essential get gcc and g++ or not?
[01:50] <kkathman> I think it does so those others might not be necessary
[01:51] <smouche> lol -- heh heh , thanks, closure - yeah, I do have it already!
[01:51] <kkathman> good :)
[01:51] <smouche> but, just in case, does this look like the right line for multiverse:
[01:51] <smouche> deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary multiverse
[01:52] <Tm_T> kkathman: dunno, I apted them separately
[01:52] <kkathman> yep
[01:52] <smouche> (I don't know why there's a space after the last slash in all my source lines...
[01:52] <kkathman> ok Tm_T thanks
[01:52] <smouche> but there are, and they work...
[01:52] <Tm_T> closure: hangover? what's that? ;p
[01:52] <Tm_T> smouche: there should be
[01:53] <kkathman> I take it that both smouche and closure both want to do the latest GAIM?
[01:53] <Tm_T> heh
[01:53] <smouche> yeah
[01:53] <Tm_T> hmm, somehow my network got bit slow :/
[01:54] <kkathman> ok thats a good one to cut your teeth on...you'll get some dependency messages and I will show you how to get through those...that way when you do another one, you'll know what to do
[01:54] <Tm_T> AND there's lag in freenode.net
[01:54] <kkathman> Ive got a 200 ms lag Tm_T
[01:55] <Tm_T> 1.2 ms ;p
[01:55] <smouche> Tm_T, why is the space after the last slash necessary?
[01:55] <kkathman> mine is  now 305
[01:56] <kkathman> closure let me know when you are done getting those
[01:56] <Tm_T> smouche: url tells "root" of repository, rest is just pesific info or something
[01:56] <smouche> thanks kkathman -- er, I'm gonna look at the package description for build-essential ...
[01:57] <closure> i've got them already
[01:58] <kkathman> smouche: if you want you can begin to get the source for GAIM...should be at http://gaim.sf.net
[01:58] <smouche> well, the build-essential description in synaptic is the most confusing description of a meta-package I've seen yet
[01:58] <kkathman> Just download that to like your home directory or subdirectory.. I have a subdirectory off my home called /downloads/applications
[01:58] <NTolerance> anyone know how to change the font size of Gnome apps in KDE?
[01:58] <smouche> ok, kkathman!
[01:59] <NTolerance> kkathman, thanks for the help earlier today...my KDE is back up and running now, no bad effects so far
[01:59] <kkathman> NTolerance: should be a "Configure......" in the app and you can change it there usually
[01:59] <closure> Tm_T, are you seriously asking what a hangover is?
[01:59] <kkathman> hey thats good news NTolerance !
[02:00] <smouche> aargh! freaking firefox always does this -- instead of a new tab, it puts the url in the pop up that was playing bbc radio! 
[02:00] <kkathman> NTolerance: what app are you trying to change
[02:00] <smouche> hate that!
[02:00] <NTolerance> xchat, gaim, synaptic
[02:00] <NTolerance> all the gnome apps i normally use
[02:00] <kkathman> smouche: thats a setting in the advanced area under the preferences
[02:00] <NTolerance> they all have the same font size
[02:00] <NTolerance> too small
[02:01] <smouche> and now firefox crashed.
[02:01] <f00f_> hello :)
[02:01] <Tm_T> closure: just joking ;p
[02:01] <smouche> not my day
[02:01] <Tm_T> smouche <3
[02:01] <f00f_> not to be nitpicky or anything.. but.. I think konqi is missing something (cough right eyebrow cough) http://www.kubuntu.org/hoary-release.php 
[02:01] <NTolerance> I just made my first contribution:  http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=30009
[02:01] <kkathman> NTolerance: usually there is a Configure Xchat or Configure GAIM somewhere in the menus...from there you can change the fonts
[02:02] <f00f_> wait
[02:02] <f00f_> n/m lol
[02:02] <NTolerance> yeah, i can change the size of the fonts in say, a chat window or channel window, but the toolbars and option fonts are still small
[02:02] <closure> Tm_T, i was like "this guy has gotta be from the moon"
[02:02] <Tm_T> NTolerance: change gtk style font ;p
[02:02] <NTolerance> hrm
[02:02] <Tm_T> closure: I never had hangover
[02:02] <kkathman> NTolerance: hmm well you can do a global KDE font change too....go to the KDE Control Center and change them there 
[02:02] <smouche> I notice there are no us mirrors for this thing, heh heh, gee , wonder why...;-)
[02:03] <NTolerance> i did, all my fonts are tahoma size 12
[02:03] <NTolerance> but it doesn't affect gaim, synaptic, xchat, etc
[02:03] <Tm_T> smouche: 'cause US laws ;p
[02:03] <closure> Tm_T, lol come down to ga and i'll show you exactly how to get one lol
[02:03] <kkathman> hehe closure :)
[02:03] <Tm_T> closure: nope, I just can't have one
[02:03] <closure> alright you euro's are strange folk any how lol
[02:03] <Tm_T> closure: just drank last wednesday whole lotta alcohol :p
[02:04] <kkathman> NTolerance: sometimes those Gnome apps dont allow much configuration
[02:04] <closure> i don't get them from just drinking it's when i mix drinking and other "substances"
[02:04] <Tm_T> kkathman: you mean gtk?
[02:04] <closure> gets me in trouble
[02:04] <kkathman> NTolerance: just use the KDE versions...like Kopete, Konversation, etc
[02:05] <kkathman> Tm_T: NTolerance  is having probs with fonts in Gnome apps under KDE
[02:05] <NTolerance> hrm
[02:05] <NTolerance> i'll give them a shot
[02:05] <kkathman> closure did you get the build-essential done?
[02:06] <closure> kkathman, yep i've got installed already
[02:06] <smouche> all right, I've got the source, kkathman -
[02:06] <smouche> still need to get that compiler, though I think...
[02:06] <closure> i have the source as well
[02:06] <kakalto> anyone, please?
[02:07] <kasper> hey all
[02:07] <kasper> why does when i update kubuntu the damn thing gets rid of the kubuntu image on the side of menu
[02:07] <closure> oh these bitches  need to quit bashing my carrie underwood damnit
[02:07] <kasper> when it upgrades kde it totally fucks all my kde
[02:08] <kasper> themes everything
[02:08] <kasper> just gone
[02:08] <Tm_T> ok, I hate forums
[02:08] <smouche> hmm, I already have gcc version 3.3, kkathman, but I see 3.4 is available; does it matter?
[02:09] <closure> smouche never hurts to have the latest
[02:09] <closure> Tm_T, how come?
[02:09] <smouche> yeah, I think I'll uninstall the older ones, and install the meta-package
[02:09] <Tm_T> closure: just need to get into
[02:10] <Tm_T> then I begin to like
[02:10] <kasper> fuck kubuntu
[02:10] <closure> Tm_T, it can be slow paced
[02:10] <kkathman> smouche..nope
[02:11] <kkathman> smouche:  but you can update it if you want
[02:11] <Tm_T> closure: well, it's ok when you used to it
[02:11] <Tm_T> smouche: you can have both versions
[02:11] <closure> Tm_T, i can't ever remember where my threads are lol
[02:11] <kkathman> closure you need to go download the source from gaim.sf.net and put it in a subdirectory of your home directory 
[02:11] <smouche> you know, I think I'll keep what I have for now...
[02:11] <closure> kkathman, i've got ti
[02:11] <smouche> anyway, kkathman, what's next?
[02:11] <closure> it*
[02:11] <NTolerance> does anyone here run a Sega Genesis emulator?
[02:12] <kkathman> ok so you both need to unzip the contents
[02:12] <Tm_T> smouche: ok, you downloaded source already?
[02:12] <Tm_T> hmm, smouche, maybe we take aour own channel, and I help you there ok?
[02:13] <smouche> ok, I've got my new gaim-1.2.1 folder, all extracted
[02:13] <Tm_T> so kkathman can peacefully help closure here ;)
[02:13] <closure> kkathman, i'm in the same place as smouche 
[02:14] <smouche> Tm_T, I think I'm doing the same thing as closure, kkathman's killing two birds with one stone ;-)
[02:14] <kkathman> closure let me know when you get the source and unzip it
[02:14] <closure> everything is unzipped
[02:14] <kkathman> ahh ok
[02:14] <Tm_T> smouche: ok =)
[02:14] <smouche> me too kkathman
[02:14] <kkathman> ok, now you need to cd to that source directory where you just unzipped everything
[02:14] <smouche> sheesh!  374 MB!
[02:15] <kkathman> then open a terminal shell
[02:15] <Tm_T> ?
[02:15] <kkathman> well I guess your are already in a shell :)
[02:15] <kkathman> hehe
[02:15] <closure> smouche, !?!?
[02:15] <Tm_T> smouche: ok, what's that big?
[02:16] <kkathman> 374 MB ??
[02:16] <kkathman> GAIM I dont think is that big
[02:16] <kkathman> lol
[02:16] <Tm_T> nope =)
[02:16] <smouche> rofl - my bad
[02:16] <smouche> oh, this is really bad news
[02:16] <kkathman> you should have a directory that got created named something like gaim-1.2.1
[02:16] <Tm_T> hmm
[02:16] <smouche> guess what, that 374 is my free disk space  hah hah ahaha h!
[02:17] <Tm_T> =)
[02:17] <kkathman> ouch
[02:17] <Tm_T> not much =)
[02:17] <smouche> I misread the properties, gaim is only 28 MB or something!
[02:17] <kkathman> well thats good :)
[02:17] <smouche> what the hell!
[02:17] <Tm_T> hmm, ./configure then?
[02:17] <kkathman> so, you both should be in a shell and positioned at that directory
[02:18] <closure> yep
[02:18] <closure> i'm there
[02:18] <kkathman> smouche?
[02:18] <smouche> oh brother, you'll never believe this
[02:18] <Tm_T> no, I'm your sister
[02:18] <smouche> my home directory is saying its 97% used.
[02:18] <closure> smouche, you'd be suprised
[02:19] <closure> smouche, how are you getting that info
[02:19] <Tm_T> =)
[02:19] <kkathman> now, the next command will go through and do a lot of checking on packages, and it will probably stop several times to report that one is missing.
[02:19] <smouche> I thought I'd given 20 gigs to /home, looks like that partition is less than half that.
[02:19] <Tm_T> /dev/hdc2               44G    13G    29G  31% /home
[02:19] <smouche> guess I need to lose some tunes!
[02:19] <Tm_T> ;p
[02:19] <Tm_T> smouche: "df -H" says what?
[02:19] <kkathman> smouche, if you need to delete some stuff, we'll wait :)
[02:20] <Tm_T> Uriah Heep - Easy Livin' =)
[02:20] <closure> smouche, you had an option for that on install?
[02:20] <smouche> I CAN'T BELIEVE THIS!
[02:21] <closure> Filesystem             Size   Used  Avail Use% Mounted on
[02:21] <closure> /dev/hda1              6.1G   4.0G   1.9G  68% /
[02:21] <closure> tmpfs                  115M      0   115M   0% /dev/shm
[02:21] <closure> none                   5.3M   2.9M   2.4M  55% /dev
[02:21] <closure> that's what mine looks like?
[02:21] <smouche> I made a home partition during install, I mounted it as home, I was sure of this,
[02:21] <closure> maybe since it's such a small drive it didn't give me the option
[02:21] <smouche> but it appears that -- kubuntu is using /home on the same partition as /  !!
[02:21] <smouche> Filesystem             Size   Used  Avail Use% Mounted on
[02:21] <smouche> /dev/hda6              9.9G   9.0G   393M  96% /
[02:21] <smouche> tmpfs                  265M      0   265M   0% /dev/shm
[02:21] <smouche> none                   5.3M   2.9M   2.4M  56% /dev
[02:22] <smouche> i don't know...
[02:22] <closure> hrm
[02:22] <Tm_T> smouche: eh
[02:22] <smouche> er, no,
[02:22] <Tm_T> smouche: small HD =)
[02:23] <smouche> Tm_T, I don't know what the hell I did; I've got 80 gigs, reserved some for windows, some for fat32
[02:23] <Tm_T> I have 20G / and 44G /home and 80G others ;p
[02:23] <Tm_T> no, 89G
[02:24] <smouche> and thought I had 10 for / and maybe 12-20 for /home
[02:24] <Tm_T> heh
[02:24] <kakalto> I have 20g home, 5g /, 10g /usr, 5g win, 110g fat32 data
[02:24] <mrmanic> can't you just qtparted and figure it out?
[02:24] <smouche> but it looks like /home is in there on the 9.9G partition...
[02:24] <mrmanic> maybe it's just not mounted?
[02:24] <Tm_T> heh
[02:24] <mrmanic> doesn't df only show mounted partitions?
[02:24] <Tm_T> yes
[02:24] <closure> smouche, you can't do jack about it without destroying the ubuntu install
[02:25] <closure> *that i know of*
[02:25] <Tm_T> =)
[02:25] <closure> i don't think partition magic can fix that
[02:25] <closure> and partition magic does some incredible stuff
[02:25] <smouche> omg, how the hell, I know I have an ext3 partition that I reserved for a seperate /home!
[02:26] <mrmanic> closure: it looks as though the partition already exists, but isn't being mounted by default, though.
[02:26] <Tm_T> smouche: just use live-cd and copy all /home stuff to that "/home" partition and then edit fstab
[02:26] <Tm_T> soooo easy ;p
[02:26] <smouche> all right, cool, ok, I'm not gonna panic... god I'm an idiot.
[02:26] <Tm_T> <3
[02:27] <kkathman> lol
[02:27] <Tm_T> kkathman <3
[02:27] <closure> Tm_T, good idea dude
[02:27] <smouche> anyway, kkathman, I think I probably have enough room to continue with gaim, I can delete some stuff and free up a couple hundred MB if needed
[02:27] <kkathman> hey !!
[02:27] <kkathman> <3  I resent that!!!
[02:27] <kkathman> :)
[02:28] <smouche> huh?
[02:28] <Tm_T> smouche: no need to delete atm
[02:28] <kkathman> smouche: Tm_T is dissin me bigtime
[02:29] <Tm_T> kkathman: nope, <3 as a heart
[02:29] <kkathman> ohhh
[02:29] <kkathman> in that case :)
[02:29] <Tm_T> ;) ;)
[02:29] <smouche> I thought it was a sideways icecream cone with two scoops
[02:29] <kkathman> kinda looks fore like an ice cream cone
[02:29] <kkathman> hehe
[02:29] <smouche> lol
[02:29] <kkathman> more
[02:30] <closure> kkathman, <3 is the way michael jackson feels about sleeping in the bed with young boys
[02:30] <Tm_T> haha
[02:30] <closure> kkathman, it's the most loving thing you can do
[02:30] <smouche> oh oh
[02:30] <Tm_T> yes, that's me
[02:30] <smouche> um, gentlemen, 
[02:30] <kkathman> ok..both you guyz should be at the gaim-1.2.1 directory
[02:30] <smouche> yep
[02:30] <closure> kkathman, yep
[02:30] <smouche> sorry for the spas attack on my end!  I'm calm now...
[02:30] <smouche> ready
[02:30] <closure> lol
[02:31] <Tm_T> ...
[02:31] <kkathman> as I said....the next step you may do a few times....so... type in    ./configure  (thats a period then configure)
[02:31] <kkathman> and wait till it stops
[02:31] <Tm_T> and watch it carefully
[02:31] <Tm_T> it complains if something is missing
[02:32] <kkathman> yep it will report if you dont have something...if you dont... which you wont...you'll need to get it
[02:32] <Tm_T> yes
[02:32] <Tm_T> it says "OK" or "Done" or something if none are missing
[02:32] <kkathman> I want you guyz to see this, so you'll know how to handle it in the future
[02:32] <closure> oh lame
[02:32] <Tm_T> =)
[02:32] <smouche> oops, wait, I'm in wrong directory!
[02:32] <Tm_T> haha
[02:33] <closure> checking for GLIB - version >= 2.0.0... no
[02:33] <closure> *** Could not run GLIB test program, checking why...
[02:33] <closure> *** The test program failed to compile or link. See the file config.log for the
[02:33] <closure> *** exact error that occurred. This usually means GLIB is incorrectly installed.
[02:33] <closure> configure: error:
[02:33] <closure> *** GLib 2.0 is required to build Gaim; please make sure you have the GLib
[02:33] <closure> *** development headers installed. The latest version of GLib is
[02:33] <closure> *** always available at http://www.gtk.org/.
[02:33] <smouche> here we go...
[02:33] <kkathman> yep
[02:33] <Tm_T> "so you are one of those linux gurus then?" ;p
[02:33] <kakalto> how could I find out what my sound device is called?
[02:33] <Tm_T> closure: then apt it ;)
[02:33] <closure> Tm_T, GLIB?
[02:33] <kkathman> ok you need to look up that pkg
[02:33] <kakalto> eggy, /dev/sound_device_name_here
[02:34] <closure> apt-get install glib
[02:34] <kakalto> *eg
[02:34] <closure> ?
[02:34] <smouche> I got the same error.
[02:34] <kkathman> closure....do that command... apt-cache search glib
[02:34] <Tm_T> closure: try "apt-cache search glib" first
[02:34] <Tm_T> =)
[02:34] <Tm_T> kkathman: you read my mind, bastard!
[02:34] <kkathman> haha
[02:34] <closure> oh wow that returned about 50k things
[02:34] <kkathman> just trying to teach here
[02:35] <kkathman> closure...yep
[02:35] <closure> which one do i need?
[02:35] <kkathman> now read them closely...knowing that you need the glib2 
[02:35] <Tm_T> grep it ;)
[02:35] <kkathman> see if you can determine
[02:35] <smouche> sorry, I was wrong, I have a different error from closure:
[02:35] <Tm_T> closure: try "apt-cache search glib | grep glib2" ;p
[02:35] <smouche> *** exact error that occurred. This usually means GTK+ is incorrectly installed.
[02:35] <smouche> configure: error:
[02:35] <smouche> *** GTK+ 2.0 is required to build Gaim; please make sure you have the GTK+
[02:35] <smouche> *** development headers installed.
[02:36] <Tm_T> smouche: ok, some gtk devel packages are missing
[02:36] <Tm_T> just apt-get 'em
[02:36] <closure> libglib2.0-0 - The GLib library of C routines
[02:36] <closure> is that the one i need?
[02:36] <Tm_T> that's the one :)
[02:36] <kkathman> thats it
[02:37] <closure> says it's already installed?
[02:37] <closure> perhaps i should run ./configure as sudo?
[02:37] <kkathman> actually I think you need libglib2.0-dev
[02:37] <kkathman> the dev 
[02:37] <Tm_T> closure: nope
[02:37] <closure> kkathman, ok
[02:37] <kkathman> cuz its the dev libray
[02:37] <kkathman> library
[02:38] <closure> ok i'll keep rocking in the free world
[02:38] <Tm_T> yes, error says, dev is missing :p
[02:38] <kkathman> so install that   sudo apt-get install libglib2.0-dev
[02:39] <closure> american idol really gets some dudes who look like babies
[02:39] <kkathman> then do the ./configure again :)
[02:39] <closure> .. running
[02:39] <eggy> meh
[02:39] <eggy> u silly typos
[02:40] <closure> eggy, lol what'd you do?
[02:40] <Tm_T> eh, please dont use "lol"
[02:41] <closure> oh great
[02:41] <Tm_T> =)
[02:41] <smouche> I can't tell from that error message what GTK package I need exactly...
[02:41] <Tm_T> heh
[02:41] <kkathman> smouche...did you already do the libglib2.0-dev ?
[02:41] <Tm_T> smouche: paste it to somewhere, i'll check it then
[02:42] <closure> which package is gtk+?
[02:42] <closure> it's saying it needs that as well
[02:42] <Tm_T> closure: apt-cache helps ;p
[02:42] <closure> Tm_T, i'm aware of that but not when i don't know what i'm looking ofr
[02:42] <closure> for even
[02:43] <Tm_T> hmm
[02:43] <closure> btw smouche there seems to be a package for xfce
[02:43] <kkathman> closure....do your apt-cache again and look for it
[02:44] <kkathman> did you get that when you did the configure again?
[02:44] <closure> kkathman, as i said i did apt-cache search gtk+
[02:44] <smouche> heh, I noticed that too closure
[02:44] <kkathman> closure: what did it return?
[02:44] <smouche> ok, let me paste - whole dang thing? in, un #flood?
[02:44] <Tm_T> smouche: #Tm_T ;)
[02:44] <kkathman> if gtk+ doesnt work, hmm..maybe just gtk will ???
[02:45] <kkathman> hehe
[02:45] <kkathman> i.e. apt-cache search gtk | grep gtk+
[02:46] <Tm_T> yep
[02:46] <smouche> rats, I can't seem to paste the whole thing in there...
[02:46] <smouche> all right, just the end with the error...
[02:47] <kkathman> it should return something like  libgtk2.0-dev
[02:47] <Tm_T> smouche: you tried #Tm_T ?
[02:47] <smouche> oops, no Tm_T, I pasted it in #flood
[02:47] <Tm_T> =)
[02:48] <kkathman> which you will need to apt-get install and run configure again :)
[02:48] <Tm_T> smouche: )(
[02:48] <Tm_T> heh closure messed his computer =)
[02:48] <kkathman> uh oh
[02:48] <kkathman> how?
[02:48] <Tm_T> dunno, just guessing
[02:49] <kkathman> Tm_T: you are watching me and making sure Im not leading these guyz astray right?
[02:49] <kkathman> hehe
[02:49] <kkathman> well he's back :)
[02:50] <closure> got to playing a game of grab ass with the power cord
[02:50] <closure> i lost
[02:50] <smouche> you know what, closure and I are probably gonna have just similar but just different enough situations to make this confusing for kkathman and Tm_T...
[02:50] <smouche> besides which
[02:50] <smouche> I'm need to bail
[02:50] <closure> i just need to figure out which package is gtk+
[02:50] <smouche> for the moment
[02:50] <kkathman> nah it should be the same
[02:50] <kkathman> closure:  do the apt-cache search gtk | grep gtk+
[02:51] <kkathman> it should come back with libgtk2.0-dev
[02:51] <closure> kkathman, k
[02:51] <kkathman> then apt-get install it, and run configure again
[02:52] <closure> libgdk-pixbuf2 - The GdkPixBuf image library, gtk+ 1.2 version
[02:52] <closure> bluefish - gtk+ HTML editor
[02:52] <closure> denemo - A gtk+ frontend to GNU Lilypond
[02:52] <closure> gtkfontsel - A gtk+ based font selection utility
[02:52] <closure> libdianewcanvas2 - a gtk+2 vectorial canvas with extra features
[02:52] <closure> libdianewcanvas2-dev - a gtk+2 vectorial canvas with extra features
[02:52] <closure> libgtk+2.0-directfb-udeb-dev - Development files for the GDK Backend based on DirectFB
[02:52] <closure> libgtk-canvas1 - port of GNOME Canvas back to gtk+
[02:52] <smouche> the closest I have to that in cache search is libgtk+2.0-directfb-udeb-dev
[02:52] <closure> libgtk-canvas1-dev - port of GNOME Canvas back to gtk+ -- development files
[02:52] <closure> libgtk-perl - Perl module for the gtk+ library
[02:53] <closure> that's what it gave back
[02:53] <smouche> i think libgtk+2.0-directfb-udeb-dev may be it?
[02:54] <Tm_T> nope?
[02:54] <NTolerance> is there a good GUI FTP client for KDE?  I searched synaptic but didn't find anything
[02:54] <kkathman> nope
[02:54] <Tm_T> NTolerance: gFTP ;)
[02:54] <NTolerance> ugh
[02:54] <NTolerance> heh
[02:54] <kkathman> its libgtk2.0-dev
[02:54] <Tm_T> I use it
[02:54] <NTolerance> trying to stay away from gnome apps with small fonts
[02:54] <closure> NTolerance, yah that or Konqueror
[02:55] <NTolerance> strange that KDE doesn't have a standalone FTP after all this time
[02:55] <closure> it does
[02:55] <closure> KFTP
[02:55] <closure> it just blows balls'
[02:55] <Tm_T> hopely not mine ;)
[02:56] <Tm_T> ok, now my jokes gone too far =)
[02:56] <closure> yeah speak for yourself it's been a few weeks since i had any action if a ftp client could do it i'd consider it
[02:56] <closure> >8-P
[02:56] <Tm_T> sshfs <3
[02:56] <closure> wtf does that mean
[02:56] <smouche> i was gonna say, in a app blowing is bad, but
[02:56] <closure> sshfs?
[02:56] <Tm_T> yes
[02:57] <Tm_T> "mount" over ssh ;p
[02:57] <closure> lol
[02:57] <Tm_T> bit slow but works
[02:57] <kkathman> libgtk2.0-dev - Development files for the GTK+ library
[02:57] <kkathman> closure:  
[02:57] <smouche> my typing blows.  Even with both hands on the keyboard.
[02:57] <closure> kkathman, it's installing
[02:57] <kkathman> good
[02:57] <closure> kkathman, it's got a shit ton of dependencies coming with it
[02:57] <Tm_T> smouche: "blowjob" ?
[02:57] <kkathman> then just run ./configure again....you only have one more iteration :)
[02:57] <Tm_T> =)
[02:57] <smouche> easy there, Tm_T
[02:58] <closure> alright
[02:58] <closure> on our way again >8-)
[02:58] <Tm_T> smouche: ok, just joking
[02:58] <kkathman> Of course when I compiled gimpshop I had like 30 iterations :)
[02:58] <kkathman> just the way it is
[02:59] <smouche> hmmm, that's another 50 M to install; yeah, I definitely need to clean out some space on here, and deal with my partition issue.
[02:59] <smouche> carry on gentlemen!
[03:00] <Tm_T> yep
[03:00] <smouche> good luck closure!  kkathman, I promise not to make you go through this with me again! lol
[03:00] <kkathman> at the end, you can delete all the source files of course
[03:00] <closure> hey hey i got to the end of ./configure!
[03:00] <closure> smouche, you sure you got the right pkg?
[03:00] <kkathman> smouche...aint no prob I dont mind a but
[03:00] <kkathman> bit
[03:00] <closure> mine was only 11.5 unpacked
[03:00] <Tm_T> =)
[03:00] <smouche> I wouldn't mind a byte
[03:00] <kkathman> closure...so no more dependencies?
[03:01] <smouche> of a good cheeseburger
[03:01] <Tm_T> "GAIM special bloat version"
[03:01] <smouche> closure, right package, with dependencies etc -- not gonna do it now...
[03:01] <closure> kkathman, nope it said "type make"
[03:01] <closure> so i did that
[03:01] <kkathman> good!!! well type make
[03:01] <kkathman> hehe
[03:02] <kkathman> everything should go smooth now
[03:02] <closure> now it's scrolling giberish
[03:02] <kkathman> when thats done, all you do is type   sudo make install  and youre done
[03:02] <closure> well that was rather painless
[03:02] <smouche> oops, I'm an idiot again -- that 50M is just what it needs to install, not the size of the package
[03:03] <kkathman> now...did you write all those steps down?? hehe
[03:03] <closure> kkathman, i should be able to remember
[03:03] <kkathman> ./configure,  make, make install....easy
[03:03] <closure> oh yeah i meant to post a thread on the forum asking about getting apps from breezy
[03:03] <kkathman> you'll need to find where it installs, but as a rule of thumb, it will be in /usr/local/bin
[03:04] <kkathman> you can always do a   whereis gaim   and that will tell you
[03:04] <closure> now that's handy
[03:04] <closure> whereis
[03:04] <closure> this compiling shit takes a while
[03:04] <kkathman> yep its nifty, but you do have to know the name of the app
[03:05] <kkathman> closure....oh... gimpshop took like 30 minutes
[03:05] <kkathman> lots of code
[03:05] <closure> -closure- VERSION xchat 2.4.1 Linux 2.6.10-5-386 [i686/448.35MHz] 
[03:05] <kkathman> the good news, is that once you do the configure, the make should be successful
[03:05] <closure> i'm not interested in that lol
[03:05] <closure> 450mhz is not fast at all
[03:07] <Tm_T> heh
[03:07] <Tm_T> I got only 2,1G AMD :/
[03:08] <kkathman> I got an old Dell Computer that runs a P2 450 and ubuntu runs like a little lynx on it
[03:08] <closure> i got 2.4G P4 as well
[03:09] <closure> but that's my desktop it doesn't run linux
[03:09] <kkathman> my main Linux box is a AMD 2500 Semperon with 1G memory
[03:10] <kkathman> i have a winXP box with am AMD65 opteron with 1G and my Linux box outperforms it :)
[03:10] <kkathman> well AMD64 I mean :)
[03:11] <smouche> i have an amd64 laptop 512M, but I'm using 32bit kubuntu
[03:11] <closure> dude this is seriously the last time i compile something on this thing
[03:12] <kkathman> hehe
[03:12] <smouche> closure - even I know it hasn't been very long yet...
[03:13] <closure> the fan is screaming on this thing
[03:13] <Tm_T> haha
[03:13] <closure> hey hey!
[03:13] <closure> it's done
[03:13] <closure> now what do i do kkathman ?
[03:15] <Tm_T> closure: you done "sudo make install" ?
[03:15] <Tm_T> after that, it's done ;p
[03:15] <closure> nope
[03:15] <Tm_T> ok, do it now
[03:15] <closure> k
[03:15] <closure> i'm hacking the planet
[03:16] <kkathman> did you type make install?
[03:16] <kkathman> that wont take long
[03:16] <Tm_T> hmm, in some reason, hotmail doesn't work in my ff :/
[03:16] <kkathman> oops sorry sudo make install
[03:16] <Tm_T> ;)
[03:18] <smouche> cool; this is really interesting -- Tm_T, you and kkathman rock.
[03:19] <closure> hi p welcome to the blue side of ubuntu >8-)
[03:19] <smouche> I'm not gonna compile gaim, i think-- I really don't think I want all that gtk stuff on here! ;-)
[03:19] <closure> hey wow i got super gaim
[03:19] <smouche> but I shall try with something else soon
[03:19] <p> peace closure..
[03:19] <closure> shit better be crrrrrrrrunk after all that
[03:19] <smouche> closure, it's up and running?
[03:20] <kkathman> congratulations :)
[03:20] <closure> it's signing on
[03:20] <closure> trying to atleast
[03:20] <smouche> cool
[03:20] <kkathman> closure:  Im StarbuckKork  on AIM
[03:20] <closure> lol it's still 1.1.4
[03:20] <closure> i wonder why
[03:21] <kkathman> hmm.. dont know
[03:21] <smouche> heh, I haven't even turned on kopete or whatever I have here; unplugged my home phone too!  Maybe I'm becoming a hermit...
[03:21] <Tm_T> smouche: try that autoinstaller
[03:21] <smouche> StarbuckKork????
[03:21] <p> (only if folks have time, but) how does one know if one's NIC is going slow? I have just noticed that my computer is slower online than when it ran winbloze..
[03:21] <p> (any suggestions?)
[03:22] <smouche> oh lord, 1.1.4?
[03:22] <smouche> wait, closure, maybe you need to log-out?
[03:22] <closure> no no
[03:22] <closure> i had it closed while i installed
[03:22] <closure> i just loaded it
[03:22] <Tm_T> smouche: http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/gaim/gaim-1.2.1.x86.package?download
[03:22] <Tm_T> try that ;)
[03:23] <smouche> Tm_T, ok.
[03:23] <kkathman> p you could go to one of those sites that does the DSL report.... I think dslreports is one
[03:23] <closure> i got that source
[03:23] <closure> it says it's 1.2.1 though
[03:23] <closure> err 1.1.4
[03:23] <closure> in the "about" window
[03:24] <kkathman> that just means you are executing the 1.1.4 version still
[03:24] <Tm_T> closure: 'cause your "link" points to it?
[03:24] <kkathman> 1.2.1 got put somewhere :)
[03:24] <Tm_T> "find / | grep gaim" etc
[03:26] <smouche> heh, you guys sure he doesn't need to log-out of kde to update the link or whatever?
[03:26] <Tm_T> nope
[03:26] <Tm_T> at least I didn't do such
[03:27] <closure> Tm_T, there's only one gaim command
[03:27] <Tm_T> ok
[03:27] <closure> when you type gaim it loads 1.1.4 for some reason
[03:28] <Tm_T> you are sure you ran "make install" as root?
[03:28] <blueyed> what does "which gaim" give you?
[03:28] <closure> yep
[03:28] <Tm_T> very interesting
[03:28] <closure> /usr/local/bin/gaim/
[03:28] <closure> err
[03:28] <closure> /usr/local/bin/gaim
[03:29] <Tm_T> :)
[03:29] <blueyed> and that's where it got installed?
[03:29] <closure> that's what it looks like
[03:29] <kkathman> lol I just noticed...I have the same issue
[03:29] <blueyed> "gaim --version"?
[03:30] <blueyed> and "/usr/local/bin/gaim --version"?
[03:30] <Tm_T> kkathman: heh
[03:30] <kkathman> its just -v
[03:30] <closure> Gaim 1.2.1
[03:30] <Tm_T> eh
[03:30] <closure> maybe they didn't update the "about page"
[03:31] <closure> that'd be amusing
[03:31] <Tm_T> =)
[03:31] <Tm_T> haha
[03:31] <closure> it seems to be a graphic
[03:31] <smouche> heh heh
[03:31] <Tm_T> ok, then no panic
[03:31] <kkathman> Oh CRAP....haha...I never reinstalled the 1.2.1 when I installed hoary :)
[03:31] <kkathman> DUH
[03:32] <Tm_T> btw quitifications & extprefs rocks
[03:32] <kkathman> I wonder if it would be best to apt-get remove gaim  before you actually put in a new one?
[03:32] <Tm_T> kkathman: dunno, try
[03:32] <kkathman> shrug
[03:32] <Tm_T> but you might lose your confiqs
[03:33] <Tm_T> so backup 'em
[03:33] <kkathman> yeah
[03:33] <kkathman> not a biggie
[03:33] <kkathman> hey can someone tell me how to do all this?  (hehe)
[03:33] <Tm_T> haha
[03:33] <Tm_T> you're serious?
[03:34] <Tm_T> oh come on, just use autopackage ;p
[03:34] <Tm_T> make your life a bit easier ;)
[03:34] <smouche> heh heh, kkathman, why not make a .deb out of it?  - just kidding!
[03:35] <Tm_T> haha
[03:35] <Tm_T> well, why not
[03:35] <kkathman> I dont know how to do a deb though...be interesting to learn
[03:35] <Tm_T> debian.org have excellent manuals ;)
[03:35] <smouche> well, there you go!
[03:36] <closure> ok on the gaim channel
[03:36] <Tm_T> ?
[03:36] <closure> they said to apt-get remove gaim
[03:36] <closure> and the new one should run then
[03:37] <kkathman> hmm you should just be able to create an icon on the desktop, point it to /usr/bin/gaim and be good
[03:37] <kkathman> cd 
[03:37] <Tm_T> oh
[03:37] <kkathman> ahh shoot wrong window
[03:38] <Tm_T> haha
[03:38] <closure> worked like a charm!
[03:38] <kkathman> closure what did you do now?
[03:38] <closure> apt-get remove gaim
[03:38] <kkathman> apt-get remove gaim ?
[03:38] <closure> yeah
[03:38] <kkathman> kewl
[03:38] <closure> apparently i had two gaim installs
[03:38] <kkathman> well now IM off to compile  :)
[03:39] <smouche> hope it removed the right one... ;-)
[03:39] <closure> it didn't over write the other one
[03:39] <closure> smouche, it did
[03:39] <closure> cause apt-get won't uninstall the one i put on there
[03:39] <closure> i should probably learn how to do that
[03:39] <kkathman> so Im gonna see if it will work by removing it first
[03:39] <smouche> right, 'cause it wasn't apt-getted to begin with -- I gotcha!
[03:40] <closure> oh blast i don't have the guifications plugin now
[03:41] <closure> oh no!
[03:41] <closure> more installing
[03:41] <closure> err compiling
[03:42] <smouche> you mean you have to compile plug-ins for it too?
[03:42] <closure> lol
[03:42] <closure> apparently
[03:42] <kkathman> what plugins are you talking about?
[03:42] <kkathman> I should just use kopete...but they are being shut down :(
[03:43] <smouche> shut down?
[03:43] <smouche> ah
[03:43] <smouche> I see
[03:43] <closure> kopete sux
[03:43] <kkathman> yah... AOL pushed their muscle in Europe and got them for copyright violation
[03:43] <smouche> and why isn't gaim vulnerable -- safely out of us jursidiction or something?
[03:43] <closure> i'm using guifications
[03:43] <brenton> i'm experiencing some strange behavior with php and mysql... i can get phpmyadmin working... but wordpress swears i don't have mysql
[03:44] <kkathman> smouche: no, its not in Europe
[03:44] <Tm_T> closure: just great, I did moderated it a bit :p
[03:44] <brenton> i've been googling this for a while, and it seems other people with kubuntu have had similar problems
[03:44] <kkathman> apparently, MS doesnt really consider Linux a threat :)
[03:44] <kkathman> haha
[03:44] <Tm_T> =)
[03:44] <kkathman> brenton: did you install the setup using Xampp?
[03:45] <Tm_T> kopete < gaim
[03:45] <brenton> nope
[03:45] <kkathman> brenton: Well, I did the XAMPP install and have had ZERO problems with php, mysql, apache and phpmyadmin
[03:46] <closure> Tm_T, moderated what?
[03:46] <brenton> ok, i may end up trying that
[03:46] <kkathman> good luck :)
[03:46] <brenton> but i'm not really having problems with php, mysql, apache, and phpmyadmin... those are all working nicely
[03:46] <brenton> it's just that bloody wordpress is saying mysql doesn't exist
[03:47] <kkathman> aha I am now on 1.2.1 gaim :)
[03:47] <kkathman> brenton, I dont use wordpress so I dont know about that :(
[03:48] <brenton> thanks anyway... i've just be reading about people with ubuntu having trouble with wordpress... 
[03:48] <brenton> very strange...
[03:48] <kkathman> what does wordpress do?
[03:48] <closure> nice
[03:49] <closure> got that taken care of
[03:49] <closure> HOLY FUCK
[03:49] <closure> why the shit does my clock say i'm in moscow!?!
[03:49] <kkathman> HAHA
[03:49] <brenton> wordpress is blogging software
[03:49] <kkathman> ahh ok
[03:49] <Tm_T> closure: quitification themes
[03:50] <kkathman> Boooo Gaim 1.2.1 doesnt support MSN :(
[03:50] <closure> Tm_T, ?! wtf does that have to do with my clock1?
[03:50] <smouche> I don't know closure, have you looked out the window?
[03:50] <smouche> maybe you ARE in Moscow.
[03:50] <closure> locked out the window?
[03:50] <closure> oh looked out
[03:50] <closure> no way man
[03:50] <Tm_T> closure: eh, I answered your question above :p
[03:50] <closure> i know i wasn't THAT drunk last night
[03:50] <kkathman> rofl
[03:50] <Tm_T> =)
[03:51] <closure> i don't see where you answered it
[03:51] <kkathman> oh well I dont know anyone on MSN
[03:51] <smouche> I'd rather wake up in St Petersburg.  Then I'd be near Helsinki.
[03:51] <closure> kkathman, only foreigners use that
[03:51] <closure> smouche, yeah really
[03:51] <kkathman> yeah
[03:52] <closure> Tm_T, where did you answer that question
[03:52] <smouche> lovely bridges in St Petersburg.  gotta visit some day.
[03:52] <closure> i'm not seeing this
[03:52] <closure> wow that was strange
[03:52] <closure> i thought someone seriously hacked my gibson
[03:52] <closure> err gateway lol
[03:53] <kkathman> hey TM_T do you know how to use that Font Installer in KDE ?
[03:53] <smouche> hah hah, tiny gtk fonts on there now?
[03:54] <biovore> how do I get kubuntu to load a module at boot. I added the module name to /etc/modules, but it dosn't seem to load it..
[03:54] <biovore> module in question is sata_sil  
[03:55] <kkathman> smouche  im me at StarbuckKork and let me see how my fonts are
[03:56] <smouche> sure, but like I said, I haven't even set up kopete!
[03:56] <kkathman> hmm biovore I thought I remember that you have to do something to the menu.list ??
[03:56] <kkathman> ahh ok
[03:56] <smouche> I'll delegate that to Tm_T, I think
[03:56] <smouche> for now
[03:56] <Tm_T> ?
[03:57] <Tm_T> ok, there was questions pointed to me?
[03:57] <kkathman> Tm_T: have you installed fonts in KDE before?
[03:57] <kkathman> ie. the font installer on the Control Center
[03:57] <Tm_T> I used apt-get, nothing else
[03:58] <kkathman> ohh then your fonts arent used by KDE..just the applications
[03:58] <kkathman> ok
[03:58] <Tm_T> heh, I'm allright with basic fonts
[03:59] <biovore> I have to set it in grub?
[03:59] <Tm_T> nope?
[03:59] <Cowlike> speaking of fonts, is the firefox package just compiled wrong (not using KDE font server or something)? The menu fonts are tiny. The RPM I used on my Suse machine looks great but not this one in ubuntu
[04:00] <kkathman> Tm_T: isnt there a way you can alter the KDE menu?
[04:01] <kkathman> Firefox has its own font selection I think
[04:03] <Cowlike> kkathman: unfortunately, you can't set its fonts via any Firefox menu (on the menu/toolbar, I mean. you can set the ones for rendering HTML)
[04:03] <smouche> kkathman, I've got kopete running
[04:04] <smouche> bca_ny (yahoo)
[04:04] <Tm_T> kkathman: ?
[04:05] <Tm_T> alter how?
[04:05] <kkathman> never mind I got it
[04:05] <Tm_T> ok
[04:05] <Tm_T> smouche: you are in msn ?
[04:06] <p> cowlike: how is SUSE (not being a traitor folks, just curious.. heck even curious about Gentoo)
[04:06] <Tm_T> !
[04:06] <Tm_T> how dare you!
[04:06] <Tm_T> ;p
[04:06] <p> =(
[04:06] <p> :*>sorry
[04:06] <Tm_T> don't say you use gnome also
[04:06] <Cowlike> Suse is one of hte best RPM based distros out there. It's my fave, actually. But now I'm turned on by debian updates :)
[04:06] <Tm_T> =)
[04:07] <p> (nah kde.. I like gooey gui)
[04:07] <smouche> Tm_T, yahoo
[04:07] <Tm_T> :/
[04:07] <Cowlike> Suse is one of those distros where EVERYthing just works outta the box
[04:07] <p> feeling dirty right now:-&
[04:08] <kkathman> I dont like it that SuSE isnt "free"...you cant get a complete SuSE install without paying for it commercially
[04:08] <Cowlike> no, you ca
[04:08] <smouche> so, kkathman, I can't add you to my list in kopete, can I?
[04:08] <p> i know.. that sucks
[04:08] <Cowlike> you can, just not the very latest until about 2 months have passed
[04:08] <Cowlike> you most certainlhy can get it free
[04:08] <kkathman> Cowlike...even then you dont get everything
[04:08] <kkathman> but...yanno thats just the deal
[04:08] <kkathman> smouche...Im researching this now
[04:09] <Cowlike> just download the boot disk and you can install EVERYTHING via ftp from their server
[04:09] <smouche> kkathman, I see
[04:09] <smouche> er, no
[04:10] <smouche> damn, It looks like I have to have an aim account too ... 
[04:10] <Tm_T> heh
[04:10] <p> can I admit something? Fedora Core installed everything in one shot for me.. and m y sound card was so sweet sounding.. no dual head (same as now) but at least the sound was so clear (especially the KDE welcome sound).. no it sounds raspy and far.. like it was smoking crack) =(
[04:10] <kkathman> got to install an SSL
[04:11] <p> (not using Fedora though.. just had installed it after my initial brush with Debian Sarge didn't want to load X windows
[04:11] <smouche> and, kopete just crashed.
[04:11] <Cowlike> nothing beats SCO Unix though, they rock!  <duck> :)
[04:12] <Tm_T> =)
[04:12] <smouche> I love kde, don't get me wrong, but too many apps crash when using their setup screens.
[04:12] <Tm_T> eh?
[04:12] <Tm_T> smouche: use 3.3.2 ;p
[04:12] <kkathman> Tm_T:  you know anything about an SSL library?
[04:12] <p> lol
[04:12] <Tm_T> kkathman: hmm, maybe something?
[04:13] <kkathman> libgnutls11 - GNU TLS library - runtime library
[04:13] <kkathman> that maybe?
[04:13] <Tm_T> ssl and tls sound different to me
[04:13] <Cowlike> openssl?
[04:13] <Tm_T> yes, that
[04:13] <kkathman> yeah that too...just saw it
[04:13] <Tm_T> =)
[04:13] <Cowlike> tls is very slightly modified ssl
[04:14] <kkathman> hmm nope that didnt do it
[04:14] <kkathman> crap
[04:15] <Cowlike> what are you trying to install kkathman?
[04:15] <kkathman> Cowlike: Gaim1.2.1 requires that an SSL library be installed for MSN to work
[04:16] <p> good nigt ppz! 
[04:17] <kkathman> ah crap I have to recompile
[04:17] <Tm_T> kkathman: eh, just try that autopackage
[04:17] <Tm_T> ;p
[04:17] <Cowlike> did you try libssl0.9.7
[04:18] <kkathman> nah it needs that libgnutssl10
[04:18] <kkathman> but you have to install that and compile differently
[04:19] <closure> hey guys
[04:19] <closure> check this out
[04:20] <closure> http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/
[04:20] <closure> up to date pkgs
[04:21] <kkathman> Tm_T: where did you get that autopackage by the way?
[04:21] <closure> haha
[04:22] <closure> now those are some crrrrrrrrrrrunk repositories!~
[04:23] <smouche> yeah, I borked myself good with backports before --
[04:23] <kkathman> yep I stay away from those myself
[04:23] <closure> kkathman, how come?
[04:23] <smouche> closure, if you want to upgrade to breezy later, definitely don't use backports
[04:24] <kkathman> my opinion....always bad to mix things from different versions and repos, unless you REALLY know what you are doing
[04:24] <kkathman> HECK YA!
[04:25] <closure> smouche oh great 
[04:25] <kkathman> gaim works now with MSN :)
[04:25] <closure> smouche why?
[04:25] <Cowlike> Is the Sun JDK in any of the repositories? I know, I know... it's not free but just wondering
[04:26] <smouche> closure, what kkathman said -- all I know is, I had backported some stuff onto warty, and it was fine, but when I upgraded to hoary -- total complete meltdown.  Had to reinstall.
[04:26] <smouche> without the backports, warty to hoary was fine.
[04:26] <Tm_T> kkathman: in sf.net ;)
[04:27] <closure> smouche really that's not cool
[04:27] <smouche> closure, thing is, I was clueless; if you're selective about the packages, don't backport too much stuff, maybe you'll be alright
[04:27] <closure> i just upgraded a few things from the backports
[04:27] <smouche> I mean, people do use them, so maybe I was just unlucky.
[04:28] <kkathman> ok closure, smouche....listen up
[04:28] <kkathman> to get msn capability in gaim 1.2.1
[04:28] <smouche> listenin' doctor kkathman
[04:29] <kkathman> you have to  sudo apt-get install libgnutls10-dev
[04:29] <Riddell> very early draft of the roadmap: http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuRoadmap
[04:29] <Riddell> comments welcome
[04:29] <smouche> I thought gaim already had that, heh heh.  I figured it was just kopete that was lame.
[04:29] <kkathman> then go to a shell, and get back to that gaim-1.2.1 directory
[04:30] <kkathman> do a   ./configure --enable-gnutls=yes
[04:30] <kkathman> then sudo make, and sudo make install
[04:30] <kkathman> then it will have MSN capability
[04:30] <Tm_T> Riddell: roadmap?
[04:30] <Riddell> Tm_T: for Kubuntu breezy
[04:30] <Tm_T> ah, ok
[04:31] <kkathman> thanks Riddell appreciate that :)
[04:31] <Cowlike> what does everyone use for Java on ubuntu? just go grab the one from java.sun.com or use one of the free ones? talking for development... not browser plugin
[04:31] <smouche> Cowlike, I think you have to get Sun JDK directly from Sun
[04:31] <kkathman> Cowlike: I think Id get the sun JDK
[04:31] <kkathman> hehe
[04:32] <kkathman> DANG I love Linux :)
[04:32] <Cowlike> thanks, that's what i was figuring but wanted to know if there was an acceptable, up-to-date debian way :)
[04:33] <Tm_T> hmm, maybe I go to have some sleep
[04:33] <kkathman> Night Tm_T have a good one :)
[04:34] <Tm_T> eh, gotta wake up in 3h :p
[04:34] <Tm_T> no, 2
[04:34] <kkathman> smouche you can IM me now on MSN if you want :)  use kkathman@hotmail.com I guess
[04:34] <Cowlike> just remembered daylight savings time, eh?  
[04:35] <Tm_T> eh
[04:35] <kkathman> Tm_T: are you in Finland or Sweden?
[04:35] <Tm_T> Finland
[04:35] <kkathman> ok
[04:35] <smouche> kkathman, lol, remember I just have kopete, and only a yahoo im account
[04:35] <smouche> don't think I can reach you at msn
[04:35] <kkathman> smouche ok  then its different
[04:35] <Tm_T> kkathman: can I add you into my list?
[04:35] <kkathman> its korkykathman
[04:35] <kkathman> Tm_T: sure
[04:35] <Tm_T> ok
[04:36] <kkathman> AIM: StarbuckKork   MSN: kkathman@hotmail.com   Yahoo: korkykathman
[04:36] <Tm_T> heh, done
[04:36] <smouche> dude, you should have a yahoo account, surely yahoo is less evil than msn! ;-)
[04:36] <kkathman> I do
[04:36] <smouche> you know, I don't know why google doesn't have their own instant message thing
[04:37] <smouche> oh1
[04:37] <smouche> ! thanks
[04:37] <kkathman> smouche look up
[04:37] <smouche> got it
[04:37] <Tm_T> kkathman: yuk, hotmail
[04:37] <Tm_T> ;p
[04:37] <kkathman> Tm_T: thats where all my junk mail goes when I get stuff :)
[04:37] <kkathman> hehe
[04:37] <Tm_T> haha
[04:38] <Tm_T> but some sleep ->
[04:38] <kkathman> have a good rest, sir ;)
[04:40] <smouche> kkathman, is your yahoo online?  I'm not showing you
[04:40] <kkathman> yes I am
[04:40] <smouche> hmm, I'm not connecting here... weird
[04:40] <kkathman> whats yours... I'll try to connect with you?
[04:42] <smouche> bca_ny
[04:42] <smouche> (yahoo)
[04:42] <smouche> kopete is weird, I can't tell whether I'm connected or not.
[04:47] <smouche> well, weird, but it works
[04:52] <kkathman-dinner> be back in a few
[04:59] <smouche> Tm_T, you still there?  or sleeping?  anyway, I'm gonna watch some tube and eat -- see ya
[05:00] <closure> later smouche 
[05:12] <zabu> arg why does kubuntu kill firefox
[05:14] <closure> zabu, *i think* it's a memory thing
[05:14] <closure> it kills it to save the desktop
[05:14] <zabu> how do i turn it off
[05:14] <closure> don't know
[05:14] <closure> don't think you can
[05:49] <kkathman-dinner> back
[05:50] <kkathman> hey there NTolerance !
[05:50] <kkathman> whiskers you around tonight :)
[06:00] <epod> Hi, How do I manually edit my apt sources?  kynaptic doens't seem to be able to, and I want kubuntu to quit trying to use my CD-ROM
[06:02] <kkathman> epod: sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:02] <NTolerance> hey kkathman 
[06:02] <kkathman> just put an # in front of the CDROM statement
[06:02] <kkathman> howdy there NTolerance !
[06:02] <NTolerance> used xchat much?
[06:03] <NTolerance> for some reason it's putting all my PMs in the channel windows
[06:03] <NTolerance> even though i've told it to put them in tabs
[06:03] <kkathman> NTolerance: no, I use Konversation in KDE myself
[06:03] <NTolerance> ah
[06:03] <NTolerance> i'm gonna try that
[06:03] <kkathman> but thats kinda odd...maybe there is a setting?
[06:03] <NTolerance> has to be
[06:03] <NTolerance> dunno what happened, it worked before
[06:04] <kkathman> I used Xchat before and dont remember that happening tho
[06:04] <NTolerance> this is the kind of thing that only happens to me, heh
[06:04] <NTolerance> brb, trying konversation
[06:15] <closure> HELL YES I GOT VIDEO AND AUDIO IN FIREFOX AND IT'S FAST!
[06:16] <whiskers>  closure what did you do to obtain that?
[06:16] <kkathman> whiskers!! Hey buddy!
[06:16] <whiskers> i just woke up and nothing much to do today...the system is behaving beautiflly by itself now
[06:17] <kkathman> closure...good job!!
[06:17] <whiskers> kkathman, hey fella how are you doing today?
[06:17] <kkathman> thats good new whiskers
[06:17] <whiskers> about the only thing to do is to try to recompile apache for the new approach and see if we can fix that minor detail
[06:18] <whiskers> what a relief that mostly just krita, kexi, knoda, and rekall, and glom just need some refinements
[06:18] <kkathman> why do you need to recompile Apache?
[06:19] <whiskers> and a couple of minor things in the kernel like uh...linmodem support
[06:19] <kkathman> oh really, krita is that close?
[06:19] <whiskers> kkathman, well i put the new libc6 in...and it fixed a whole lot of serious problems with hoary but it completely broke apache
[06:19] <epod> Can anyone help me with my wireless and kWiFiManager?  In Gnome Ubuntu it 'just works' but with kWiFimanger, it's being weird...
[06:19] <kkathman> Im not familiar with kexi, knoda, rekall and glom
[06:20] <whiskers> kkathman, well they are very nice but just beginning and need some polish
[06:20] <whiskers> kkathman, and they are all connecting now with the new libc6
[06:21] <kkathman> well I cant really break my Apache right now...thats my development environment :)
[06:21] <kkathman> whiskers are you on breezy then?
[06:21] <whiskers> kkathman, well i don't know...i have just been trying to fix hoary
[06:21] <whiskers> kkathman, i am not sure what breezy has
[06:22] <whiskers> kkathman, maybe they have already taken care of some of these issues with breezy ...or they will
[06:22] <kkathman> breezy is the next distro of Ubuntu... but if you are working with hoary, you arent on breezy
[06:22] <kkathman> whiskers: what else broke when you installed the libc6 ?
[06:22] <whiskers> kkathman, fortunately not much....for a minute i was unable to log back into gnome...but that was fixed
[06:23] <whiskers> kkathman, it did not break very  much except apache
[06:23] <kkathman> sounds kinda serious
[06:23] <whiskers> kkathman, but it fixed a lot of other stuff
[06:23] <kkathman> im kinda getting used to gimpshop now, even though I really would love to run Photoshop
[06:24] <kkathman> whiskers: what kinds of things did it fix?
[06:24] <whiskers> kkathman, the database connection problems
[06:24] <kkathman> whiskers: maybe they will update Apache 
[06:24] <kkathman> oh..hmm I havent had any problems with my apps
[06:24] <whiskers> kkathman, well that is what i am going to work on today...to see if we can solve this problem
[06:24] <closure> whiskers
[06:24] <kkathman> whiskers:  you are way over my level,  my friend :)
[06:25] <closure> www.ubuntuguide.com
[06:25] <epod> Can anyone help me with my wireless please?
[06:25] <closure> that will answer an enormous ammount of quesitons
[06:25] <closure> i am not entirely sure i like the embeded video cause it seems to crash firefox fast
[06:26] <whiskers> closure, nothing comes in at that url
[06:26] <whiskers> closure, but slashdot is still coming in
[06:26] <smouche> yeah me too closure.  that mozilla plug-in for mplayer?  awful, unusable.
[06:26] <closure> .org
[06:27] <closure> i'm sorry
[06:27] <closure> smouche yeah that'd be the one
[06:27] <closure> i don't think it's the plugin
[06:27] <closure> firefox crashes in ubuntu for some reason
[06:27] <closure> it acts like a memory leak or something
[06:27] <closure> i have no idea though i'm not that smart
[06:30] <verden01> Hi
[06:30] <closure> streamtuner is pretty cool
[06:30] <verden01> anyone fixed up the kdelibs-data problem?
[06:31] <kkathman> verden01: http://moba.linuxfaqs.de/kdelibs-debug.sh script will fix kdelibs bug
[06:32] <verden01> thanx
[06:33] <kkathman> closure: my firefox doesnt, but its also slower than Opera, so I dont really use it
[06:33] <closure> kkathman, goto www.ubuntuguide.org
[06:33] <closure> follow the instructions to make it faster
[06:33] <closure> it is incredible
[06:33] <closure> completely changed my mind
[06:33] <closure> i thought it was just this slow ass laptop
[06:34] <kkathman> you mean the Ipv6 thing?
[06:34] <epod> Can anyone tell me why I can't get an IP with KWiFiManager, but the gnome version of ubuntu works just fine?
[06:34] <closure> that and some pipeline stuff
[06:34] <kkathman> epod: doesnt make sense at all, seeing that the base things are the same between Gnome and KDE
[06:34] <closure> epod i sure can't did you set it up in your network?
[06:35] <epod> kkathman: I know it makes no sense, but it IS the case
[06:35] <zabu> firefox crashes in kubuntu all the time
[06:35] <epod> ath0      Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:11:F5:1E:94:8F
[06:35] <zabu> it just disappeared right nwo
[06:35] <epod> the link is up,. ESSID is right, key is right
[06:35] <kkathman> epod: What I did was that when I installed, I made sure my network was up and the box was plugged in, after that, it detected everything
[06:35] <epod> but dhclient no work.
[06:36] <epod> heck. kWiFiManager claims I'm connected to my home routerr
[06:36] <epod> but I can't get assigned an IP
[06:37] <pajohn> is there an apt-get package for blender?
[06:37] <kkathman> yes its blender :)
[06:38] <pajohn> sudo apt-get install blender
[06:38] <pajohn> Reading package lists... Done
[06:38] <pajohn> Building dependency tree... Done
[06:38] <pajohn> sudo apt-get install blender
[06:38] <pajohn> Reading package lists... Done
[06:38] <pajohn> Building dependency tree... Done
[06:38] <pajohn> E: Couldn't find package blender
[06:39] <pajohn> sorry about the double post
[06:39] <kkathman> hmm
[06:39] <kkathman> you might need to edit your sources.list
[06:39] <pajohn> oh ok
[06:39] <kkathman> be sure you have universe and multiverse open
[06:40] <kkathman> I did an apt-cache search blender, and it came up...so its in the ubuntu repos
[06:41] <pajohn> alright thanks alot
[06:41] <kkathman> np hope that works for you :)
[06:42] <epod> Can no one tell me why I can get an IP and use WiFi in Gnome Ubuntu, but not Kubuntu?
[06:42] <glass-eye> anyone have a recommendation for a good p2p app?
[06:43] <epod> sudo dhclient ath0 just times out eventually with 'No DHCPOFFERS recieved'
[06:43] <whiskers> kkathman, well let me see if apache.org is still up and go try to compile some code today
[06:43] <kkathman> kewl :)
[06:44] <whiskers> kkathman, well i see there is a 2.1alpha...lets see what the apache people can do
[06:45] <pajohn> alright it works! thanks alot kkatthman. One more question. Is there anything wrong with having all of the repos open for apt-get?
[06:45] <kkathman> not really pajohn
[06:46] <pajohn> k thanks
[06:46] <phenotype_> hey guys, anyonoe know where i can find bins of kde
[06:47] <kkathman> phenotype_: the bins?
[06:47] <phenotype_> binary
[06:47] <phenotype_> for install
[06:47] <Riddell> phenotype_: do you mean packages?
[06:47] <phenotype_> sure
[06:47] <kkathman> ahh...
[06:47] <Riddell> phenotype_: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[06:47] <kkathman> apt-get install kubuntu-desktop if thats what you mean
[06:47] <kkathman> hehe
[06:48] <phenotype_> its not installed... will i need the install disc
[06:48] <Riddell> we should put that command in the topic :)
[06:48] <kkathman> phenotype_: no you wont
[06:48] <phenotype_> thx
[06:48] <kkathman> phenotype_: if you already have hoary working, just do that command
[06:48] <kkathman> In fact thats the best way, much more reliable than just the disk
[06:49] <phenotype_> there she goes
[06:49] <kkathman> gee I thought phenotype_ wanted the binaries...i.e. the source to kde :)
[06:49] <kkathman> hehe
[06:50] <phenotype_> you guys know of laptop battery issues with gnome.. thats why im gonna try kde
[06:50] <kkathman> I dont personally no
[06:50] <phenotype_> k
[06:54] <pajohn> ok, for apt-get upgrade
[06:54] <verden01> kkathman, kdelibs problem is fixed thanx
[06:54] <pajohn> Unpacking replacement kdelibs-bin ...
[06:54] <pajohn> Errors were encountered while processing:
[06:54] <pajohn>  /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4%3a3.4.0-0ubuntu3.1_all.deb
[06:54] <pajohn> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[06:55] <pajohn> oh
[06:55] <whiskers> kkathman, hmm..there seems to be a problem over at apache...they have 2.1.3 beta...but it is a deb file...and it says requires...libdb4.2 and libapr0...which i have already built....and they are running ok now
[06:55] <pajohn> looks like verden01 has the same problem?
[06:55] <whiskers> kkathman, i need to find a tgz file of the source
[06:55] <kkathman> whiskers: of the apache source?
[06:56] <whiskers> kkathman, because the deb file doesn't know i have already compiled libdb4.2 and libapr0
[06:56] <pajohn> verden01, did you have a problem with apt-get upgrade?
[06:56] <Riddell> pajohn: this may fix it http://moba.linuxfaqs.de/kdelibs-debug.sh
[06:56] <whiskers> kkathman, yes of the source
[06:56] <verden01> pajohn kkathman told me to look at this link to fix the problem  http://moba.linuxfaqs.de/kdelibs-debug.sh script will fix kdelibs bug
[06:56] <kkathman> ahhh...hmmm sounds like a prob
[06:56] <pajohn> thanks guys
[06:56] <whiskers> kkathman, no..it is not a problem...i just need to locate the source
[06:57] <whiskers> kkathman, but the mirrors are handing out some kind of deb file that doesn't recognize we have already built in the database support
[06:57] <kkathman> ahh well good luck whiskers :)
[06:58] <kkathman> man that crossover office just wont work with anything 
[06:58] <pajohn> how do i compile a shell script to execute?
[06:58] <whiskers> kkathman, do you know how to use rsync
[06:58] <kkathman> Ive tried several things and they dont work too good :)
[06:58] <whiskers> kkathman, apache says for the source to use rsync
[06:58] <kkathman> whiskers: no clue
[06:58] <whiskers> kkathman, yes...me neither
[06:59] <verden01> i've tried to install vmware but can't configure it??
[07:00] <smouche> heh heh, kkathman, someone in #ubuntu is asking about updating Gaim...
[07:00] <kkathman> go tell em how its done smouche :)
[07:01] <smouche> maybe I could post a flood of the transcripts of you and closure...
[07:01] <verden01> Iget this message when i try to configure vmware  This program cannot tell for sure, but you may need to upgrade libc5 to glibc
[07:01] <verden01> before you can run VMware Workstation.
[07:01] <verden01>  any ideas?
[07:01] <pajohn> verden01: how do you compile the shell script to run?
[07:02] <kkathman> you dont compile a shell script
[07:02] <pajohn> or how do you change permissions to execute it?
[07:02] <pajohn> or whatever you need to do?
[07:02] <kkathman> you just download it to your home directory and run it by going there and issuing a ./<filename>
[07:03] <kkathman> pajohn:  are you trying to do that script to fix the kdelibs?
[07:03] <pajohn> yeah for kdelibs
[07:03] <kkathman> ok, download the script to your home directory first
[07:03] <pajohn> alright
[07:03] <kkathman> once there
[07:04] <kkathman> get to a shell (i.e. terminal) or konsole
[07:04] <pajohn> yeah
[07:04] <kkathman> then navigate to your home directory
[07:04] <pajohn> ok
[07:04] <verden01> pajohn hang on 
[07:04] <kkathman> then execute it by typing   ./kdelibs-debug.sh  (thats dot slash)
[07:05] <pajohn> do i need to chmod to change permissions?
[07:05] <pajohn> oh wait
[07:05] <pajohn> just sudo i guess
[07:05] <kkathman> not if you download it to you home directory
[07:05] <pajohn> bash: ./kdelibs-debug.sh: Permission denied
[07:05] <verden01> pajohn, i did this command dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4%3a3.4.0-0ubuntu3.1_all.deb
[07:05] <smouche> hmm, I don't think he's ready for compiling stuff yet... but I offered to post my log of your build session...
[07:05] <pajohn> i'm not a total newb
[07:06] <pajohn> but close
[07:06] <verden01> then do this command apt-get install --reinstall kcontrol
[07:06] <kkathman> pajohn you can do a sudo chmod 777 <filename>
[07:06] <verden01> sudo  first
[07:09] <whiskers> kkathman, wow...apache is nearly as hard as transcode
[07:09] <whiskers> kkathman, this is going to take awhile to figure out the configure
[07:10] <whiskers> kkathman, they have almost as many options...i don't see why people don't set defaults for most of them
[07:15] <kkathman> lol
[07:16] <kkathman> sounds complicated
[07:16] <whiskers> kkathman, ok..well here goes nothing..it is trying to compile now
[07:17] <whiskers> kkathman, debian just doesn't seem to know that we have already solved some of the problems with hoary
[07:17] <kkathman> hey whiskers could you look in your fstab, and show me what your CDROM entry looks like?
[07:17] <whiskers> kkathman, when you try to dpkg -i apache2-prefork-dev...it thinks you have not solved the dependencies
[07:17] <kkathman> Damn Crossover Office just facked mine up !!!
[07:18] <whiskers> kkathman, yes give me a minute to finish this compilation and i will give you the data
[07:18] <kkathman> ok thanks
[07:18] <kkathman> I would HIGHLY advise against Crossover Office!!!
[07:18] <verden01> hey i know i've asked b4 but has anyone installed vmware and run it
[07:18] <kkathman> not me verden
[07:18] <verden01> k
[07:18] <whiskers> kkathman, well who needs it....abi and gnumeric are doing fine here and very extensible
[07:19] <kkathman> abi and gnumeric?
[07:19] <whiskers> kkathman, and kspread and kword are also very nice and internally consistent in their design
[07:19] <verden01> i've used it b4 and its better than crossover and you can install windows o/s's
[07:20] <kkathman> I have tried alot to get photoshop to run, and despite my efforts it still wont
[07:20] <kkathman> others have done it, but I just dont know how :)
[07:20] <whiskers> kkathman, well i will give you my build directory and you just type make install and go with it
[07:20] <kkathman> im going to try to use just plain wine I think ad see
[07:20] <kkathman> whiskers: for apache?
[07:20] <whiskers> kkathman, well i am working on that now
[07:21] <whiskers> kkathman, i thought you were talking about gimpshop
[07:21] <kkathman> oh no I have gimpshop running fine now
[07:21] <whiskers> kkathman, yes it runs just fine here for all that i use if for
[07:21] <kkathman> but this Photoshop...its like a project for me :)
[07:21] <kkathman> the computer is winning and I dont like that
[07:21] <whiskers> kkathman, well if you paid for Photoshop...you might try wine
[07:22] <kkathman> right
[07:22] <whiskers> kkathman, but i am not paying MS or Apple one dime
[07:22] <kkathman> but crossover messed up my fstab, and while it said it made a backup, it didnt
[07:22] <verden01> how do we install wine in kubuntu?
[07:22] <verden01> apt-get??
[07:22] <kkathman> verden01: yep
[07:22] <whiskers> kkathman, thats ok...i have it for you ...just hold on a bit
[07:22] <verden01> k
[07:23] <kkathman> whiskers: I think all it did was add a few parameters to my CDROM, cuz it said it couldnt read hidden files
[07:23] <closure> does anyone know how to execute bitchx-gtk
[07:23] <kkathman> closure: not me
[07:24] <verden01> this is what i get when i try to instal wine   sudo apt-get install wine
[07:24] <verden01> Reading package lists... Done
[07:24] <verden01> Building dependency tree... Done
[07:24] <verden01> Package wine is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[07:24] <verden01> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[07:24] <verden01> is only available from another source
[07:24] <verden01> E: Package wine has no installation candidate
[07:26] <kkathman> verden01: make sure you have all the appropriate lines uncommented in your sources.list
[07:27] <verden01> yeah i have universe and multiverse enabled
[07:27] <closure> anybody know how to figure out how to execute it?
[07:27] <verden01> its not in synaptic either
[07:27] <kkathman> did you do a sudo apt-get update ?
[07:27] <whiskers> kkathman, nope the build of apache2 still won't start....still a bug to track down
[07:28] <verden01> yeah i've been running universe and multiverse since i installed kubuntu
[07:28] <whiskers> kkathman, but anyway lets get to your problem.
[07:28] <kkathman> verden01: I just did it.... sudo apt-get install wine    works fine
[07:29] <verden01> i'll try again
[07:29] <whiskers> kkathman, ok here is the data i am using at the moment...although i have some plans to modify it after i get these more serious problems solved
[07:29] <whiskers> proc            /proc           proc    defaults        0       0
[07:29] <whiskers> /dev/hda1       /               ext3    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       1
[07:29] <whiskers> /dev/hda5       none            swap    sw              0       0
[07:29] <whiskers> /dev/hdd        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 rw,user,noauto  0       0
[07:29] <whiskers> /dev/hdc        /media/cdrom1   udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0       0
[07:29] <whiskers> /dev/fd0        /media/floppy0  auto    rw,user,noauto  0       0
[07:29] <kkathman> ahh ok
[07:29] <kkathman> mine looks just fine then
[07:29] <whiskers> kkathman, just copy and paste it into your fstab...unless you are not using two dvd burners
[07:30] <kkathman> Im thinking that crossover just did NOTHING
[07:30] <kkathman> which is ok
[07:30] <kkathman> hehe
[07:30] <kkathman> thank you whiskers :)
[07:30] <whiskers> kkathman, yes...not a problem...i just have to do some work on this apache mess
[07:31] <verden01> kkathman, i still get the same message. 
[07:34] <kkathman> verden01: can you check your souces.list and check that your CDROM has been commented out at the top?
[07:34] <verden01> k
[07:36] <whiskers> kkathman, notice that hdc is read only and hdd is read/write so i can easily dup dvds
[07:36] <whiskers> kkathman, but depending on what you are doing or how many burners you have ...you may want to change a couple of things
[07:36] <kkathman> right, I have only one CD/DVD
[07:36] <kkathman> I just made that rw
[07:36] <whiskers> kkathman, ok...yes...that should do it and it would be easiest if you use hdc
[07:37] <verden01> kkathman, i hav just commented out the cdrom
[07:37] <kkathman> now do a sudo apt-get update, then try the apt-get on wine again
[07:38] <whiskers> kkathman, well try apt-get install wine
[07:38] <whiskers> kkathman, but it should be in synaptic...it is just a click away
[07:38] <verden01> did that and still the same
[07:39] <verden01> i'll check synaptic
[07:39] <whiskers> kkathman, but this damn apache problem of not finding any ports to use is some kind of crap
[07:39] <verden01> the only package synaptic has is wine-doc
[07:39] <whiskers> kkathman, and i just can't figure out why it can't bind to port 80
[07:39] <kkathman> thats strange
[07:40] <whiskers> kkathman, yes..i have a bit of work to do
[07:40] <kkathman> verden can you post your sources.list to #kk please
[07:41] <verden01> k
[07:42] <kkathman> oops sorry bout that
[07:42] <kkathman> hehe
[07:43] <kkathman> verden01:  one sec... I think I see a prob
[07:43] <verden01> cool
[07:44] <kkathman> verden01: do me a favor, and change all your debs to us.archive.ubuntu.com.....  from your au.archive.ubuntu.com    and lets see what happens...thats the only difference between yours and mine, and mine works
[07:44] <verden01> k
[07:45] <kkathman> I just removed wine and reinstalled with no problem
[07:46] <verden01> i'm doing an update now from the us mirror
[07:47] <kkathman> verden01:  yeah ok was just going to remind you to do the update
[07:47] <verden01> i changed all the au to us
[07:47] <kkathman> heres what my output looks likeL
[07:48] <kkathman> like:
[07:48] <whiskers> kkathman, that doggone apache will not bind to either 80 or even 8000....this is some kind of problem
[07:48] <kkathman> kkathman@denise:/etc$ sudo apt-get install wine
[07:48] <kkathman> Password:
[07:48] <verden01> maybe the australian mirror isn't up to date??
[07:48] <kkathman> Reading package lists... Done
[07:48] <kkathman> Building dependency tree... Done
[07:48] <kkathman> Suggested packages:
[07:48] <kkathman>   wine-doc wine-utils binfmt-support
[07:48] <kkathman> The following NEW packages will be installed:
[07:48] <kkathman>   wine
[07:48] <kkathman> 0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[07:48] <kkathman> Need to get 0B/1279kB of archives.
[07:48] <kkathman> After unpacking 2658kB of additional disk space will be used.
[07:48] <kkathman> Preconfiguring packages ...
[07:48] <kkathman> Selecting previously deselected package wine.
[07:48] <kkathman> (Reading database ... 87527 files and directories currently installed.)
[07:48] <kkathman> Unpacking wine (from .../wine_0.0.20050310-1.1_i386.deb) ...
[07:48] <kkathman> Setting up wine (0.0.20050310-1.1) ...
[07:48] <kkathman> thats what Im thinking
[07:49] <kkathman> or, there is some weird some odd reason why its not there
[07:49] <kkathman> hey whiskers... verden01 just sent me a file via Konversation with no problems ... so it CAN be done :)
[07:49] <kkathman> hehe
[07:50] <verden01> hey my update will take time as i only get 56k dialup in my area  :-(
[07:51] <kkathman> ok Im hangin in verden01 :)
[07:51] <kkathman> Im not gonna desert you :)
[07:52] <verden01> :)
[07:53] <verden01> well i have to go to work soon   night shift is a bummer
[07:53] <kkathman> iccck
[07:55] <verden01> nearly there :)
[07:58] <whiskers> kkathman, ok..the apache log shows some kind of undefined database symbols in libaprutil-0...so perhaps libc6 interfered with it...let me go try to recompile with the new libc6
[07:59] <whiskers> kkathman, well i tell you ...it has been a major headache to work with hoary
[08:00] <whiskers> kkathman, because debian just doesn't seem to know what is going on
[08:00] <whiskers> kkathman, but anyway...i am going to try to fix this mess
[08:03] <kkathman> man I cant find the right syntax to get to my cdrom
[08:03] <kkathman> Im trying to get to it by way of the terminal
[08:04] <whiskers> kkathman, well try mount -t iso9660 /dev/hdc /media /cdrom0
[08:04] <whiskers> kkathman, then try ls /media/cdrom0
[08:04] <verden01> kkathman, after all that i still get the same message  about wine
[08:05] <kkathman> says its mounted
[08:05] <kkathman> oh my gosh Im totally baffled verden01 
[08:06] <verden01> even synaptic only has wine-doc 
[08:06] <verden01> interesting
[08:07] <whiskers> kkathman, well if it says it is mounted...what does ls /media/cdrom0 say
[08:08] <kkathman> well we are finally installing Photoshop :)
[08:08] <kkathman> we'll see
[08:08] <kkathman> i hope this works under wine decently
[08:09] <verden01> hey gotta go thanx for the help kkathman 
[08:10] <kkathman> ok man sorry :)
[08:10] <whiskers> kkathman, i think i am going to have to learn how to use this rsync...because that stable version of apache just isn't worth a damn
[08:10] <kkathman> so much for "stable" versions :)
[08:10] <whiskers> kkathman, well i just need to figure this rsync stuff out
[08:11] <kkathman> Im sure you are much more capable than I :)
[08:13] <whiskers> kkathman, damn...that rsync just doesn't make any sense
[08:14] <whiskers> kkathman, apache says to rsync to rsync.eu.apache.org
[08:14] <kkathman> ??
[08:14] <whiskers> kkathman, but rsync says you need to supply src....host...and destination
[08:14] <whiskers> kkathman, i don't know why in the hell they just don't put the source on their website
[08:15] <kkathman> lol
[08:15] <kkathman> maybe to deter?
[08:16] <whiskers> kkathman, maybe so....well at least i got the xiopen server working on win98...if i could find that source maybe i could get it working on linux
[08:19] <kkathman> hmm what was that?
[08:20] <whiskers> kkathman, ok..i found the source to xiopen...lets give it a shot...since apache doesn't want to give out their code
[08:25] <kkathman> whiskers...well I got it installed AND running but Im disappointed
[08:25] <kkathman> just the resolution isnt very good at all
[08:25] <whiskers> kkathman, what did you get running
[08:25] <kkathman> Photoshop 7 under wine
[08:26] <whiskers> kkathman, oh....well you do know that X has serious limitations compared to windows...in terms of bit capabilities
[08:26] <kkathman> so I think I'll stick with Photoshop under Windows and gimpshop under Linux....until Krita comes out
[08:26] <whiskers> kkathman, that is why Photoshop is so expensive because it can do things in more than just the 24 bit mode of X
[08:26] <kkathman> yes, in general X is pretty bad compared to Windows
[08:26] <whiskers> kkathman, well...uh..it is ok for me
[08:27] <whiskers> kkathman, i don't need that $700 shit
[08:27] <kkathman> yep gimp will probably work fine
[08:27] <kkathman> now I need to figure out how to uninstall all this :)
[08:27] <kkathman> hehe
[08:27] <kkathman> I think all I need to do is remove the ..wine directory
[08:28] <whiskers> kkathman, i don't even make much use of the limited 24 bit capability of gimpshop...so what the hell do i need more for
[08:28] <kkathman> well being in web design, its pretty critical for me
[08:28] <whiskers> kkathman, oh...ok...well if that is your fancy..i won't interfere...but webs mean nothing to me
[08:28] <kkathman> have you ever tried to installed the ms fonts in KDE?
[08:29] <whiskers> kkathman, nope...only those Hungarians can legally do that
[08:29] <kkathman> oh really?
[08:29] <kkathman> why the Hungarians?
[08:29] <whiskers> kkathman, well it is not legal for us to use the MS fonts on Linux...so we make do with the gnufonts
[08:30] <kkathman> but there is a package called msttcorefonts :)
[08:30] <whiskers> kkathman, well the Hungarians say they don't give a damn about non-free software
[08:30] <kkathman> good for the Hungarians :)
[08:30] <whiskers> kkathman, yes...but that is reserved for the Hungarians
[08:30] <kkathman> hmm ok
[08:31] <whiskers> kkathman, like the win32codecs they have for Linux
[08:31] <whiskers> kkathman, they can use them...we can't
[08:31] <kkathman> well you can get mpg and avi codesc that arent microsoft owned
[08:31] <kkathman> codecs I mean
[08:32] <whiskers> kkathman, well i don't know about all the legalities in the US ...so i just stay away from all that stuff...except on win98 where it has been paid for
[08:32] <whiskers> kkathman, but i use the free fonts and codecs on Linux...and they don't bother me one bit
[08:33] <whiskers> kkathman, to me they are just as useful
[08:33] <kkathman> where do you go to get extra fonts?
[08:33] <kkathman> and are they better than these?
[08:33] <whiskers> kkathman, well there is a font-editor for linux
[08:33] <whiskers> kkathman, you can design whatever kind you want
[08:37] <kkathman> well I removed the core fonts...I want to keep this all legl
[08:37] <kkathman> hehe
[08:38] <whiskers> kkathman, yes...well you don't need them anyway....they don't do much more than the GNU freefonts
[08:39] <closure> kkathman, what core fonts?
[08:39] <closure> i have no interest in being legal
[08:42] <whiskers> kkathman, if you want your own stuff...try deforma
[08:42] <whiskers> kkathman, you can use it to design any fonts you want
[08:43] <whiskers> kkathman, i think you can find it in synaptic
[08:47] <kkathman> well Im basically trying to get some more crisp fonts
[08:47] <closure> well fuck firefox
[08:47] <closure> mozilla works just as well
[08:47] <pajohn> ... until they stop updating it
[08:48] <kkathman> yeah so I see
[08:50] <whiskers> kkathman, or you can use GNU GFE..it is absolutely fantastic
[08:50] <whiskers> kkathman, thank GNU
[08:50] <thechitowncubs> hey
[08:50] <thechitowncubs> How can i install kubuntu so that it doesn't put its icons in my gnome menu
[08:51] <kkathman> GNU GFE ??
[08:51] <thechitowncubs> What?
[08:51] <kkathman> thechitowncubs: what icons are you talking about?
[08:52] <thechitowncubs> application icons
[08:52] <thechitowncubs> last time when i installed kubuntu-desktop, it put all the kde icons in my gnome menus
[08:53] <whiskers> kkathman, yes GFE...the GNU Font Editor
[08:53] <kkathman> hey membreya :)
[08:53] <membreya> ayup :)
[08:53] <kkathman> ohh ok whiskers
[08:54] <kkathman> Hmm...I forgot where to go to configure the font for the desktop icons...anyone remember?
[08:54] <kkathman> besides "Control Center "  hehe
[08:54] <membreya> k > control centre
[08:54] <membreya> appearance and themes
[08:54] <membreya> fonts
[08:55] <thechitowncubs> Hey guys, do you have a solution for me?
[08:55] <membreya> anyone care to help with a digital cam question?
[08:55] <membreya> what's happening is when I plug in the cam, dmesg is picking it up ... and it's printing the message /dev/scsi/host4/bus0/target0/lun0 however /dev/scsi does not exist as a dir...it's apparently assigning it as /dev/sdc but again it's not
[08:55] <membreya> do I need to install and special packages?
[08:55] <kkathman> thechitowncubs: what icons for instance?
[08:55] <kkathman> membreya: is it a USB device?
[08:56] <membreya> kkathman: yes, but I just found out it's a known bug with breezy :(
[08:56] <kkathman> ahh ok
[08:57] <thechitowncubs> The ones in the "start" menu
[08:57] <thechitowncubs> all the applications
[08:57] <thechitowncubs> SeamusLP thechitowncubs:  I think if you simply do not log on with kde with a particular user it will not create the files in your home directory that add the menu icons.  I'm not 100% on that.
[08:58] <thechitowncubs> is that true?
[08:58] <kkathman> thechitowncubs: hmm... I really cant say, because I never go to gnome anymore...its strictly a backup
[09:00] <amichai> how do i turn off the system sounds?
[09:01] <pajohn> the kde volume control
[09:02] <kkathman> hey chavo :)
[09:03] <amichai> pajohn: i want the system sounds gone, not muted
[09:03] <kkathman> amichai: try the KDE Control Center
[09:03] <kkathman> its under Sound & Multimedia...then choose system sound and turn it off
[09:03] <amichai> kkathman: ok thanx
[09:11] <kkathman> well Im off to bed I think... see you all later on today :)
[09:29] <amichai> how do i get kwallet to ask me once for the password at kde startup and then never again?
[09:31] <amichai> got it
[09:32] <closure> Diablo-D3, ?
[09:32] <closure> what do you mean?
[09:32] <Diablo-D3> closure: the default kubuntu theme doesnt look like human
[09:33] <closure> i don't understand?
[09:34] <closure> you mean like the earth tones that ubuntu has?
[09:35] <Diablo-D3> I mean that the default kubuntu qt theme doesn't look like the default ubuntu gtk theme
[09:35] <Riddell> Diablo-D3: because we prefer the KDE look
[09:35] <Diablo-D3> I'm only asking because clearlook (the engine human uses) looks almost just like plastik
[09:36] <blueyed> amichai, how? by calling "kwalletmanager [name] "?
[09:36] <blueyed> Regarding kwallet, I'd like to change the wallet to be used when e.g. KMail pops it up/uses it.
[09:37] <Diablo-D3> and lipstik is very un-plastik-like
[09:38] <amichai> blueyed: just change in the options that it should never close, and then save ur session with kwallet running and it should start up next time u log in, it will ask u once for the passw when u check ur mail, or start kopete and then logout when u logout, or when u screen saver starts (if u selected that as an option)
[09:38] <closure> Diablo-D3, i believe it is because KDE's logo is blue so in order to match the desktop manager they went with a blue scheme
[09:39] <Diablo-D3> closure: that in itself isnt bothering me
[09:39] <blueyed> Thanks, amichai. This is how it's done here actually.
[09:39] <Diablo-D3> closure: I can always change the color scheme to match human
[09:39] <Diablo-D3> closure: but the whole look is wrong
[09:39] <closure> Diablo-D3, i mean i'm not saying anything i went with the ONLY K background and bahira mine looks metal
[09:39] <closure> like aluminum or something
[09:41] <amichai> blueyed: oh i thought u were asking ;)
[09:42] <blueyed> just for the records.. ;)
[09:42] <amichai> blueyed: lol, yeah should make sure u know all ways just in case.
[09:44] <amichai> anyone know if there is a way to use VOIP with konversation?
[09:45] <Riddell> amichai: nope.  interesting idea though
[09:45] <amichai> Riddell: seriously
[09:45] <amichai> Riddell: does x-chat have it?
[09:45] <Riddell> no, these are IRC apps
[09:45] <amichai> Riddell: i remember mIRC had it.
[09:45] <Riddell> surely not
[09:46] <amichai> Riddell: i thought mIRC had it, wait it was the possibility to play your mp3s to other i think
[09:46] <Riddell> weird
[09:46] <amichai> Riddell: this was 5 years ago :) so it could be all bs
[09:47] <amichai> Riddell: is there a reason it shouldnt/couldnt work?
[09:48] <Riddell> IRC isn't really designed for sound transfer
[09:52] <Diablo-D3> hrm
[09:52] <Diablo-D3> I think my problem with lipstik is that its too... too...
[09:52] <Diablo-D3> metalik looking
[09:52] <Diablo-D3> the heavy gradents is what kills me
[09:54] <Riddell> I find lipstik more simple than platik in various ways
[09:56] <Diablo-D3> yeah, but I'm not going for that
[09:56] <Diablo-D3> I want matching themes
[09:56] <Diablo-D3> and I always assumed human was meant to look like plastik
[09:56] <Diablo-D3> which color scheme is default in kubuntu?
[09:57] <Riddell> Diablo-D3: plastik
[09:58] <Diablo-D3> not any of the lipstik ones?
[09:58] <Diablo-D3> actually, why isnt there a theme manager entry for kubuntu defaults?
[10:00] <Riddell> because I never got round to making one, I should
[10:00] <Diablo-D3> yeah, you should =P
[10:01] <Diablo-D3> btw, I'm installing ubuntu over debian sid, so thats why I have pre-existing settings
[10:05] <Aircobra> hi
[10:11] <whiskers> hey what do you know...i could not get apache 2.1.3 even to work...but the little thttpd works great
[10:11] <whiskers> that will do just fine...until i can figure out the apache problem
[10:19] <Diablo-D3> guh
[10:20] <Diablo-D3> I hate the bug filing system of ubuntu
[10:20] <Tm_T> good mooooooorning americaaaaa o/
[10:20] <Diablo-D3> apparently my bugzilla login doesnt work with launchpad
[10:34] <spiral> hi
[10:34] <Tm_T> hullo
[10:41] <hal0> y0
[10:41] <hal0> is this the help channel?
[10:41] <Tm_T> we try to help, yes
[10:42] <hal0> i need help setting up a shortcut
[10:43] <hal0> to launch java programs, ya gotta use the command line, right?  so how do you setup a command line shortcut to execute a terminal java command?
[10:44] <hal0> and i dont know the first thing about scripting :-x
[10:46] <hal0> and another ques - how do you install that script fix?
[10:46] <hal0> what command would execute it?
[10:47] <Tm_T> just say "sh somescript.sh" as a root
[10:47] <hal0> nice
[10:47] <hal0> got a site handy for a good "how to" on bash scripting by any chance?
[10:48] <Anlar> hal0: google for "advanced bash scripting guide"
[10:48] <pajohn> hal: the kde script fix
[10:48] <pajohn> ?
[10:48] <pajohn> for the apt-get upgrade
[10:48] <hal0> i just installed the fix - thanks.
[10:48] <Tm_T> =)
[10:48] <pajohn> ok nm
[10:49] <hal0> is a script pretty much the only way to do what i want?
[10:50] <Tm_T> hmm
[10:51] <hal0> alllright.
[10:59] <whiskers> wow...these software developers are really pissed off at MS and RedHat both...they don't like Linux or Windows
[10:59] <whiskers> look at this guys comment
[10:59] <whiskers> So you have to decide, do you compete in MS arena where MS will package free software with their OS and push it down everybodies throat, or do you run it on *nix (including apple, linux, BSD), and then see if anybody develops an OSS version to compete.
[11:00] <whiskers> they say they are screwed whether they try to write for MS platforms or Linux Platforms
[11:01] <whiskers> they say if they try to write for MS platforms...MS has more money and will just create a better, cheaper product and ruin thier business
[11:01] <whiskers> they say if they try to write for LInux, then GNU and FOSS will just write a free program that does what their products do...and they will also be screwed and their business will be ruined
[11:02] <whiskers> if i were them...i would just quit trying to make money in the software market
[11:04] <Tm_T> ?
[11:06] <N3R0> how can i get some help about mey mic?
[11:07] <Tm_T> hmm, what kind of problem do you have?
[11:08] <whiskers> wow these Linux people really hate these capitalist pigs....look at his discussion
[11:08] <whiskers>  Hate to say it, but selling something for more than you bought it for is the definition of good business, especially if it's exponentially higher. 
[11:08] <N3R0> it doesn work, in my windows xp it's running good
[11:09] <N3R0> how can i configure it?
[11:09] <whiskers> now here is the response 
[11:09] <whiskers> If, however, I own and operate a convenience store, drink Cokes at three cents a pop out of the business profits, but charge my financial partner a buck a Coke when he comes into the store and stick 97 cents of it in my own pocket, that isn't "good business." That's being a scum sucking bastard.
[11:09] <whiskers> KFG
[11:09] <whiskers> they are calling the capitalist pigs....a bunch of scumm sucking bastards...he.he
[11:11] <N3R0> exit
[11:16] <pajohn> the true type fonts?
[11:16] <pajohn> nm
[11:28] <whiskers> you know it is just the strangest thing that thttpd fires up perfectly on this newer system...but neither home compiled code of several versions of apache nor deb packages of apache will start
[11:29] <whiskers> and well fortunately we can implement PHP throught CGI when necessary
[11:29] <whiskers> and i don't see any lock files for apache to prevent it from starting either
[11:30] <closure> what is the command to list processes?
[11:30] <whiskers> closure, well i use ps -ef
[11:30] <whiskers> closure, but i think gnome and kde both have nice layout of this with just the push of a button
[11:32] <closure> yay
[11:32] <closure> stupid mozilla froze
[11:33] <closure> and this damn song was playing in the background of someone's web page
[11:33] <closure> and it wouldn't stop
[11:33] <closure> i almost lost it there for a second
[11:38] <whiskers> closure, well calm down...that is what the extra desktop is mainly used for
[11:38] <closure> ?
[11:38] <whiskers> closure, when an app freezes in one desktop just switch to another and stop it from the other desktop
[11:39] <whiskers> closure, or you can use a virtual terminal also
[11:39] <closure> ?
[11:39] <closure> i just kill the process?
[11:39] <closure> KDE takes care of that really
[11:39] <whiskers> closure, yes that is right
[11:39] <whiskers> closure, how does kde take care of that
[11:39] <closure> that was retorical btw
[11:40] <closure> it will tell you that the process has stopped responding would you like to kill it
[11:40] <closure> you have to right click the app and click close
[11:40] <whiskers> closure, oh...nice feature...i did not know they had that
[11:40] <closure> but it's a lot easier just to let KDE do it if you ask me
[11:40] <Tm_T> huoh
[11:41] <whiskers> closure, i have one app that freezes all the time 
[11:41] <closure> which one?
[11:41] <whiskers> closure, it is called zsnes.
[11:42] <whiskers> closure, when i unplug the Logiteck wingman...it works ok with the public domain stuff
[11:42] <closure> there's zsnes for linux?
[11:42] <closure> nice
[11:42] <whiskers> closure, but when i plug the gamepad into the USB port...zsnes freezes completely when you try to configure the buttons
[11:42] <closure> i have every damn game for snes on my other botx
[11:42] <closure> err box
[11:43] <whiskers> closure, now the funny thing...is that defendguin works perfectly with the gamepad
[11:43] <closure> the usb ports seem to be problematic i've noticed
[11:43] <closure> there's all kinds of troubleshooting posts for them
[11:43] <whiskers> closure, so it is definitely a problem with zsnes...not anything else
[11:43] <closure> *shrugs*
[11:43] <whiskers> closure, not the usb is not giving me any problem at all...just that poorly compiled app
[11:43] <closure> you can't expect much from an emulator >8-P
[11:44] <whiskers> closure, well i don't care...the public domain roms are boring anyway ...and they just try to get you to buy the commercial games
[11:46] <closure> wtf
[11:46] <closure> why can i not remove kaffeine
[11:46] <closure> without removing kubuntu desktop
[11:46] <closure> that's just gay
[11:46] <Tm_T> chello ...
[11:47] <closure> man i should just rebuild KDE entirely
[11:47] <whiskers> closure, well i see a similar thing on apache...it says if you want to get apache2-prefork-dev from synaptic...you have to remove gnome and ubuntu desktop
[11:47] <closure> weird
[11:48] <whiskers> closure, that is why i just compile my own stuff...when i want to take a look at it
[11:50] <Riddell> first kubuntu job http://www.linux.org.au/jobs/jobdetail.phtml?refnum=000526
[11:51] <Tm_T> Riddell: btw you "use" seti@home or etc
[11:51] <Tm_T> ?
[11:52] <Riddell> nope
[11:52] <Tm_T> ok
[11:52] <Tm_T> just wondering, if there's any other than seti
[11:52] <closure> whiskers, that'd be great if i was good at linux
[11:52] <Tm_T> oh, I take that job o/
[11:53] <whiskers> Riddell, wow...those Australian people are really getting up to date on the technological stuff
[11:53] <closure> and wasn't on a 450 mhz laptop that takes 10 minutes to install gaim
[11:53] <closure> err compile gaim
[11:53] <whiskers> Riddell, that add was very interesting
[11:53] <whiskers> closure, ah...well so what ..you only need to compile it once...and let it last for awhile until there are significant improvements
[11:54] <whiskers> closure, you can let it compile when you are doing other things and you don't lose any time over it
[11:54] <whiskers> Riddell, how did you find that URL add
[11:55] <closure> hrm
[11:55] <closure> wonder how much i can get a visa for
[11:55] <closure> lol
[11:55] <closure> i know a few people in sydney >8-P
[12:03] <whiskers> closure, well i tell you ...there are some strange things happening.
[12:03] <whiskers> closure, over in India...Bollywood is becoming extremely popular and seeks to eliminate Hollywood
[12:04] <whiskers> closure, and uh...the GNU Star Wars was even better than the expensive commercial Star Wars Films
[12:04] <closure> Bollywood is far cooler than anything that hollywood puts out
[12:04] <whiskers> closure, and uh...the software vendors say they are fucked either way.....
[12:05] <whiskers> closure, they say if they write for Linux....then FOSS will put them out of business
[12:05] <whiskers> closure, and they say if they write for MS then MS will put them out of business
[12:05] <closure> what's FOSS?
[12:05] <closure> see
[12:05] <closure> APPLE is on top of the game man
[12:05] <whiskers> closure, the Free Software Communism...i mean Community
[12:05] <closure> they're going to tear down the walls
[12:06] <whiskers> closure, well...there are just some strange things happening
[12:06] <closure> there will be no barrier between open source and bought software
[12:06] <closure> bollywood isn't strange
[12:06] <closure> they make better films
[12:06] <closure> plain and simple
[12:06] <closure> Mac OS X is the best os out
[12:06] <closure> plain and simple
[12:07] <whiskers> closure, well i made one ogg movie...but the sound stutters a bit
[12:07] <Choubaka> bollywood also makes a _shitload_ of them. :)
[12:07] <whiskers> closure, the video looks nice though
[12:07] <closure> Choubaka, more than anyone in the world as far as i know
[12:07] <Choubaka> Yep.
[12:07] <closure> whiskers, ogg movie/
[12:07] <closure> err ?
[12:07] <closure> i thought ogg was strictly audio
[12:08] <Choubaka> nah.
[12:08] <whiskers> closure, yes...i made the video with theora and it looks nice...and i made the audio with vorbis...and it stutters a bit
[12:08] <Choubaka> ogg is many things.
[12:09] <Choubaka> there's the ogg muxer which can hold video and audio and subtitles. and ogg theora is a video codec, while ogg vorbis is audio... afaik.
[12:10] <whiskers> closure, if you want i can translate the GNU Star Wars into ogg so you can play it on totem....and see if you think it is as good as the commercial stuff
[12:10] <closure> what is gnu star wars?
[12:10] <Choubaka> ?)
[12:11] <whiskers> closure, well GNU Star Wars is a different approach to Star Wars than Lucas had....but i think it is very exciting
[12:11] <whiskers> closure, the actors are a little fat...not Harrison Ford types...but they are good
[12:11] <closure> i don't really like star wars
[12:11] <closure> didn't lucas write star wars though?
[12:12] <whiskers> closure, well he participated in HIS Star Wars...but others have different ideas
[12:12] <whiskers> closure, let me do some work and i'll try to get you a GNU that will play on totem with theora and vorbis
[12:13] <closure> i don't have totem
[12:13] <closure> i just deleted it
[12:13] <closure> i have mplayer
[12:13] <closure> i am sure m player will play it thouh
[12:13] <closure> it plays everything known to man
[12:14] <Choubaka> with the right codecs, yes. :)
[12:16] <closure> alright well i'm gonna be getting myself some sleep here
[12:17] <closure> whiskers msg me a link when you get that thing done
[12:28] <Chameleon22> is there a KDE app to creates notes something like chm look ... , i know there is just dont remember the name
[12:30] <malte> kubuntu needs to include latest konversation imho :(
[12:30] <malte> Chameleon22, knotes?
[12:30] <Chameleon22> i need it to write specifications
[12:30] <Chameleon22> so yeah obviousely knotes will not do 
[12:31] <Bubi> hi all
[12:32] <Riddell> malte: it includes the latest konversation that was available
[12:32] <Bubi> can anyone helps me with some problem i have
[12:33] <Bubi> im experiencing sudden reboots, and i browsed thru logs but nothing unusual there
[12:33] <malte> Riddell, is that really true? 0.17 was released 6th april iirc. nevertheless, they should include it for breezy imho
[12:33] <Riddell> malte: it was released a couple of hours after the uploads were frozen, I did warn Cartman of this
[12:33] <Riddell> breezy of course will have the latest version available to it
[12:34] <Bubi> :(
[12:35] <Riddell>  Bubi has this happened with your computer before?
[12:35] <Bubi> no
[12:35] <Bubi> i tested disk and ram
[12:35] <Bubi> they are ok
[12:35] <Riddell> hmm, nasty
[12:36] <Riddell> maybe a driver issue
[12:36] <Bubi> i looked at kern.log and there is no errors
[12:37] <Bubi> so far i found one issue but i cant see how is this related when i start azureus after a few min it happens
[12:39] <Bubi> does anyone knows if there is a bug in java 1.5
[12:41] <malte> Riddell, ok :)
[12:54] <Tm_T> huijui
[01:14] <Diablo-D3> Hrm.
[01:14] <Diablo-D3> I should go email Mark Shuttleworth
[01:15] <Diablo-D3> "You have several million dollars... and you couldn't fund a better bug tracker?"
[01:16] <Speedy2> heh
[01:18] <Diablo-D3> seriously, wtf is launchpad?
[01:18] <Diablo-D3> and why the fuck have bugzilla setup if it just forwards people to launchpad
[01:21] <Shaquile> Is there any way to use an externa hdd? Like Maxtor's Onetouch.. I bought one but it doesn't seem to work.
[01:21] <Diablo-D3> Shaquile: usb?
[01:21] <Shaquile> Diablo-D3: Yeah
[01:21] <Diablo-D3> hrm
[01:21] <Shaquile> Diablo-D3: dmesg doesn't seem to find it
[01:22] <Diablo-D3> in a standardly setup system...
[01:22] <Diablo-D3> you should be able to plug in any usb mass storage devie in, and it should be automagically mounted, and, in gnome, a nautilus window should pop up
[01:22] <Shaquile> Hmm.. 
[01:23] <Diablo-D3> problem is, I dont know if kubuntu is properly setup to have a konq window pop up
[01:23] <Shaquile> My mp3player works.. my usbstick doesn't.. and with this i don't know
[01:23] <Shaquile> Diablo-D3: Can't manually mount it or find it with dmesg
[01:23] <Diablo-D3> how strange
[01:23] <Diablo-D3> are you running a stock kernel?
[01:23] <Shaquile> stock kernel? =/
[01:24] <Shaquile> What's that? 
[01:24] <Diablo-D3> have you compiled your own kernel?
[01:25] <Shaquile> No
[01:25] <Shaquile> I have the one that followed
[01:28] <Diablo-D3> then... hrm.
[01:28] <Shaquile> "If nothing of this sort shows up, unplug, plug back in, and repeat the command. If it still doesn't show up, you're probably screwed."
[01:28] <Shaquile> =(
[01:28] <Shaquile> Hehe
[01:28] <Diablo-D3> yeah, sounds like you're hitting that bug
[01:28] <Diablo-D3> and you cant manually mount it?
[01:29] <Speedy2> Shaquile: What does dmesg report?
[01:30] <Shaquile> Speedy2: Notting.. that's the wierd thing
[01:30] <membreya> which file stores the session information so that it can be restored when you next logon?
[01:31] <Diablo-D3> Shaquile: what does lsusb say?
[01:31] <Diablo-D3> when the device is plugged in I mean
[01:32] <Shaquile> root@MDSW:/home/mattias # lsusb
[01:32] <Shaquile> Bus 003 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
[01:32] <Shaquile> Bus 002 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
[01:32] <Shaquile> Bus 001 Device 004: ID 046d:c03f Logitech, Inc.
[01:32] <Shaquile> Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
[01:32] <Shaquile> Now it found something.. hmm..
[01:33] <Shaquile> Maybe all my ports arent working..
[01:34] <membreya> man LinuxNero is so far behind the windows version
[01:34] <Diablo-D3> heh
[01:34] <Diablo-D3> Shaquile: thats possible
[01:34] <Shaquile> Damn it..
[01:34] <membreya> grrr I want a tool to EASILY convert xvid/divx to mpeg2 and burn it to DVD (like nerovision express in windows)
[01:35] <Shaquile> It works on my laptop..
[01:35] <Diablo-D3> Shaquile: your machine sucks =P
[01:35] <Diablo-D3> membreya: so do I, actually
[01:35] <Shaquile> There something wrong with my WS when neither my USBstick or this hdd works on it..
[01:35] <Diablo-D3> membreya: I'm tried of plugging mencoder into transcode and doing all that crap
[01:35] <membreya> it's a piece of piss to convert mpeg2 to divx....
[01:35] <Diablo-D3> mpeg2 to mpeg4 is _easy_
[01:35] <Diablo-D3> just use mencoder
[01:36] <membreya> ahuh, I'm curious why someone hasn't even released a script to convert it the other way though :|
[01:36] <Diablo-D3> because its not script worthy
[01:36] <Diablo-D3> its entire fully featured app worthy
[01:36] <Diablo-D3> Shaquile: btw, is there a hub anywhere in there?
[01:36] <membreya> I'm sure there is a huge demand for it
[01:36] <Shaquile> Diablo-D3: Nope
[01:37] <Diablo-D3> Shaquile: are these ports on the front of the case, or on the atx header in the back?
[01:37] <Shaquile> Back
[01:37] <Diablo-D3> have you tried all the ports?
[01:37] <Shaquile> Diablo-D3: My usb mp3player works there.. and my usbmouse works there
[01:37] <Shaquile> Diablo-D3: No not all
[01:37] <Shaquile> But the one were mp3player worked
[01:38] <Diablo-D3> well
[01:38] <Diablo-D3> um
[01:38] <pointwood> how do I get KAudioCreator to find my CD drive?
[01:38] <Tm_T> hullo
[01:38] <Tm_T> membreya: hi o/
[01:38] <Diablo-D3> Shaquile: sounds like your machine is just flakey
[01:38] <membreya> \o/ :D
[01:38] <Diablo-D3> Shaquile: how old is it?
[01:39] <pointwood> Sound Juicer can find it, but KAudioCreator can't :(
[01:39] <Shaquile> Diablo-D3: flakey? Dude.. it's like a month =) I'm a computer engineer who runs my own business :P But I suck at this :---] 
[01:39] <Diablo-D3> Shaquile: hah
[01:39] <Diablo-D3> Shaquile: then it could be... too new.
[01:39] <membreya> Shaquile: so "engineer" it :)
[01:40] <Shaquile> Diablo-D3: 3500+, 2GB RAM, 1,2TB HDD...
[01:40] <Shaquile> Diablo-D3: Haha
[01:40] <membreya> 1.2tb 
[01:40] <Shaquile> membreya: :P
[01:40] <Diablo-D3> Shaquile: seriously, sometimes new drivers dont work as planned
[01:40] <Shaquile> membreya: If you want you can have it.. I don't need it.. 
[01:40] <Shaquile> Diablo-D3: Humm.. true.
[01:40] <Tm_T> pointwood: hmm, you know what ide channel your cd-drive is? lika /dev/hdb ?
[01:40] <GameCat> morning
[01:40] <membreya> don't screw with my head Shaquile 
[01:40] <GameCat> membreya:  how's it going?
[01:41] <Shaquile> membreya: Not for free but I'm trying to sell if of.. I have had it in stock for like 3 months.. unused.. with garanty
[01:41] <membreya> cool cool, enjoying my SVU ..and I'm sooooo damned happy, just got the whole series of battle star galactica on DVD (original series)
[01:41] <GameCat> can anyone tell me what I need to add to the basic kubuntu to allow me to compile gnome apps?
[01:41] <Shaquile> membreya: Where you from?
[01:41] <GameCat> what is an SVU?
[01:41] <pointwood> Tm_T: not entirely sure
[01:41] <membreya> Shaquile: AUS :)
[01:41] <membreya> GameCat: law and order SVU
[01:42] <Shaquile> Cool
[01:42] <GameCat> membreya: still means nothing 
[01:42] <Tm_T> pointwood: then try different hd? ;)
[01:42] <Diablo-D3> GameCat: gnome-devel
[01:42] <GameCat> Diablo-D3: cheers
[01:42] <pointwood> Tm_T: konqy detects it when I use audiocd:/
[01:43] <Shaquile> membreya: What do you have for currency there?
[01:43] <membreya> aud ;) ..worth about 72 us cents a dollar
[01:43] <Shaquile> Mkay... 
[01:43] <Tm_T> pointwood: yes, and it points to some hd? "slot"
[01:43] <Shaquile> I'm from Sweden
[01:43] <Speedy2> Shaquile: What kind of business?
[01:43] <Shaquile> :----------] 
[01:43] <GameCat> Shaquile: so is my CD player :)
[01:43] <Tm_T> Shaquile: hullo from Finland o/ =)
[01:43] <pointwood> Tm_T: where do I see where it points to?
[01:44] <membreya> Tm_T: invade invade!!
[01:44] <Tm_T> pointwood: dunno :p
[01:44] <pointwood> hello from Denmark :)
[01:44] <Tm_T> =)
[01:44] <Shaquile> Speedy2: all kinds of =) We sold a lot of computers.. but it was to hectic so now we concentrate och design and support..
[01:44] <Tm_T> Scandinavia invasion =)
[01:44] <Shaquile> Tm_T: Haha.. I'm half finnish
[01:44] <Shaquile> GameCat: What kind of CD player?
[01:44] <GameCat> Primare D30.2
[01:44] <Tm_T> Shaquile: so you're not totally bad ;p
[01:44] <Shaquile> GameCat: :)
[01:44] <membreya> Shaquile: weren't you taught to finish what you start? get it ..half finnish ? meh!
[01:44] <Shaquile> Tm_T: Where in Finland? 
[01:45] <GameCat> Shaquile: it's the best thing I've ever heard
[01:45] <Tm_T> Shaquile: far east
[01:45] <Shaquile> membreya: =)
[01:45] <Shaquile> GameCat: Good good =)
[01:45] <Tm_T> membreya: really old joke :p
[01:45] <membreya> Tm_T: shuddup, I just invented it!
[01:45] <GameCat> Shaquile: Good? It's breathtaking :)
[01:45] <Shaquile> GameCat: Haha 
[01:46] <Tm_T> membreya: "I'm finish, I come from hell sin ski"
[01:46] <membreya> Tm_T: speaking of inventions, you know the fluffy hair that grows on the back of your neck ?
[01:46] <Tm_T> when meant "I'm finnish, I come from Helsinki" (our capital city)
[01:46] <membreya> I've named them "neckburns" as in sideburns..but on the neck :D
[01:46] <Tm_T> membreya: haha
[01:47] <Shaquile> I'm really satisfied with Kubuntu.. I have it on my ws, where everything works except this usb shitty stuff... and I have it on my laptop where everything works except that the touchpad thinks its the right mousebutton instead of the left and inte WON'T change..
[01:47] <Tm_T> membreya: I have terrible mullet atm
[01:47] <membreya> mullet? ROFL!!!
[01:47] <Tm_T> membreya: well, what you expect when you havent got barber for a _year_
[01:48] <Tm_T> maybe I should =)
[01:48] <membreya> possibly :P
[01:48] <membreya> sheesh, got my haircut and coloured today, cost me just over $100 :|
[01:48] <Shaquile> :O!
[01:49] <Tm_T> haha
[01:49] <Tm_T> membreya: last time my head was cutted in the army, skin head \,,/
[01:49] <Tm_T> GameCat: it's great game =)
[01:49] <Shaquile> Finnish army 
[01:49] <Speedy2> Shaquile: Does your dmesg even show the USB device as being plugged in?
[01:50] <Shaquile> Speedy2: Not in my ws
[01:50] <membreya> I want a good game to play :|
[01:50] <GameCat> Tm_T: yeah, i know - I have been hammering the beta's on my fedora install
[01:50] <Speedy2> Shaquile: Looks like something might be wrong with your USB
[01:50] <Tm_T> heh
[01:50] <GameCat> membreya: freeciv2 :)
[01:50] <Speedy2> Shaquile: What device is the USB host?
[01:50] <Shaquile> membreya: Doom3, FarCry, HL2
[01:50] <GameCat> membreya: also, darwinia, but you have to buy that one
[01:50] <Shaquile> Speedy2: USB host? =) 
[01:50] <Tm_T> Shaquile: no Kohan2!
[01:50] <Tm_T> eh, I meant, no, Kohan2 :p
[01:51] <GameCat> kohan2? wassat?
[01:51] <Tm_T> google it
[01:51] <Shaquile> Tm_T: :P
[01:51] <membreya> Shaquile: amd64 3200+, 512mb RAM......Nvidia GF4 4000 :P going to buy an ati radeon pro 9800 off my friend
[01:51] <membreya> but I'm a bit iffy about linux support for that card
[01:51] <Speedy2> Shaquile: Who is the USB host?  Motherboard chipset?  Add-in card?
[01:51] <Tm_T> GameCat: (fantasy)strategy
[01:51] <Diablo-D3> membreya: support 'works'
[01:51] <Shaquile> membreya: 9800 Pro is some good shit =) Probably the most valuable card right now..
[01:51] <membreya> cool :)
[01:51] <GameCat> Tm_T: found it now :)
[01:51] <Diablo-D3> membreya: but you need the fxglx drivers
[01:51] <Shaquile> Speedy2: Motherboard chipset
[01:52] <Tm_T> membreya: just buy more ram will ya!
[01:52] <Shaquile> NOoooooooooooooo
[01:52] <Speedy2> Shaquile: Which motherboard chipset?
[01:52] <Diablo-D3> membreya: which sometimes dont work, and they are closed sources
[01:52] <Diablo-D3> *source
[01:52] <Shaquile> Diablo-D3: Nowadays you can apt-get the drivers =) 
[01:52] <membreya> Diablo-D3: so are nvidia ;)
[01:52] <Shaquile> Diablo-D3: It's great
[01:52] <Diablo-D3> yeah, but I never said nvidia drivers were any good
[01:52] <Diablo-D3> Shaquile: yeah, thats been around since before ubuntu
[01:52] <Tm_T> Diablo-D3: better than ati
[01:52] <Diablo-D3> I just prefer dri over ati's binaries
[01:52] <Speedy2> Shaquile: I'm trying to help you here dude.
[01:52] <Shaquile> Diablo-D3: whatever :P
[01:52] <Diablo-D3> and maybe in a year or two, r300/400 users will be able to use the glorious dri drivers too
[01:52] <Shaquile> Speedy2: Yes yes.. I'm looking :)
[01:53] <membreya> so DRI or ati binaries? which are better?
[01:53] <Shaquile> Speedy2: How do I find out? I have a MSI Neo2 Platinum Card
[01:53] <Diablo-D3> well, for r300/400 cards, dri isnt an option yet
[01:53] <Diablo-D3> for r200 cards, dri is far better
[01:53] <Diablo-D3> 9800 is an r300, btw
[01:54] <membreya> what are the r's ?
[01:54] <Diablo-D3> thats just what ati names their chip familys
[01:54] <Speedy2> Shaquile: Does dmesg even show it recognizing the USB host on your machine?
[01:54] <Speedy2> Shaquile: Try "lspci | grep USB"
[01:54] <membreya> oh, like nvidia and their geforceX?
[01:54] <Shaquile> Speedy2: Yes.. USB works. I have an USB mouse and USB mp3player
[01:54] <Diablo-D3> membreya: more like nvidia and their NV##
[01:55] <membreya> damn, almost out of smokes
[01:55] <Speedy2> Shaquile: dmesg | grep Maxtor
[01:55] <Speedy2> or dmesg | grep USB
[01:55] <membreya> Diablo-D3: that's what I meant :P
[01:55] <Speedy2> What does that report?
[01:55] <GameCat> thanks for the help as always, I'm off now to play darwinia :)
[01:55] <Shaquile> Speedy2: priv
[01:57] <UnreA|L> Hello all
[01:57] <CellarDoor> hello
[01:58] <UnreA|L> how i can download xwine with apt-get
[01:58] <UnreA|L> ?
[01:58] <CellarDoor> I'm a n00b can anyone please tell me what I need to type at the command line to unmount my dvd drive ?
[01:58] <Diablo-D3> CellarDoor: umount /dev/hdc
[01:58] <Speedy2> CellarDoor: umount /dev/cdrom
[01:58] <Diablo-D3> CellarDoor: assuming your dvd drive is your first drive of your second ide channel
[01:59] <CellarDoor> ok thanks
[01:59] <CellarDoor> :)
[01:59] <UnreA|L> kubuntu@kubuntu:~$ sudo apt-get install wine
[01:59] <UnreA|L> Reading package lists... Done
[01:59] <UnreA|L> Building dependency tree... Done
[01:59] <UnreA|L> Package wine is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[01:59] <UnreA|L> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[01:59] <UnreA|L> is only available from another source
[01:59] <Speedy2> CellarDoor: Type 'mount' and you can figure out what is the right device, then do umount /dev/<device>
[01:59] <UnreA|L> E: Package wine has no installation candidate
[01:59] <UnreA|L> How download wine
[01:59] <UnreA|L> ?
[01:59] <Speedy2> www.winehq.org
[01:59] <Diablo-D3> UnreA|L: do you have universe listed?
[01:59] <UnreA|L> yes ;)
[01:59] <Diablo-D3> then I'm not sure what you broke
[02:00] <Diablo-D3> wine is in universe
[02:00] <membreya> shouldnt it be xwine? :)
[02:00] <Diablo-D3> no, it shouldnt be.
[02:00] <Diablo-D3> Package: wine
[02:00] <Diablo-D3> Priority: optional
[02:00] <Diablo-D3> Section: universe/otherosfs
[02:00] <Diablo-D3> Version: 0.0.20050310-1.1
[02:01] <Diablo-D3> so not only is it in universe, its a recent version of it, too
[02:01] <membreya> it's not in the breezy universe then
[02:01] <UnreA|L> thanks ;)
[02:01] <Diablo-D3> thats possible
[02:01] <Diablo-D3> you probably shouldnt be using breezy anyhow
[02:02] <membreya> diablo, I like daily updates ;)
[02:02] <membreya> that and things being broken
[02:02] <membreya> like digital camera mounting :|
[02:02] <membreya> lol
[02:02] <Diablo-D3> heh
[02:02] <membreya> and it was _especially_ fun the other day when it borked my reiserfs
[02:02] <Diablo-D3> yeah, thats buggy as hell for some reason
[02:02] <Diablo-D3> hint: NEVER EVER USE REISERFS
[02:02] <Diablo-D3> REISERFS IS BUGGY, AND CAN CAUSE DATA LOSS UNDER SANE CONDITIONS
[02:03] <Diablo-D3> use ext3 instead
[02:03] <membreya> Diablo-D3: I'd love to convert it back to ext3, but it's a 90gb partition (50% full) ....and I dont have anything to back it up to ..can't be bothered burning it all
[02:04] <Diablo-D3> hrm, is reiserfs even an option for ubuntu?
[02:04] <Diablo-D3> if it is, it shouldnt be
[02:04] <membreya> sure is
[02:04] <Diablo-D3> Mark still runs ubuntu, doesnt he?
[02:04] <Diablo-D3> I should track him down and kick his ass
[02:04] <membreya> at least it mounts my MMC reader properly :)
[02:05] <Diablo-D3> he needs to sepnd more time making sure ubuntu doesnt allow users to do stupid things
[02:05] <Diablo-D3> stupid things include: using reiserfs
[02:05] <membreya> heeeeeeeeeey
[02:05] <Shaquile> Sp33dy2: The only thing its reporting is 
[02:05] <Shaquile> ehci_hcd 0000:00:02.2: port 2 reset error -110
[02:05] <Shaquile> hub 3-0:1.0: hub_port_status failed (err = -32)
[02:05] <Shaquile> when i plug it in..
[02:05] <Diablo-D3> other stupid things include: installing gnome by default
[02:05] <incubii> ive run resierfs for 3 years with 0 problems
[02:05] <membreya> I've only been using linux for 2 months, reiser fs was an early choice..a bad one
[02:05] <Diablo-D3> Shaquile: then its a usb2 device
[02:05] <Shaquile> Diablo-D3: And...  ?
[02:05] <Diablo-D3> incubii: for every single person that uses it fine, about 25 people rant on irc about how broken it is
[02:05] <Shaquile> Diablo-D3: Shouldn't it work? 
[02:05] <membreya> incubii: when it borked my system, it wasn't an issue..booted to a liveCD and rebuilt the tree
[02:06] <Diablo-D3> Shaquile: sounds like your usb2 driver is broken
[02:06] <Shaquile> Diablo-D3: It works on my laptop.
[02:06] <Diablo-D3> or atleast, its broken with your chipset
[02:06] <incubii> yeah you are probably correct with that comment :)
[02:06] <Diablo-D3> this also explains why your mouse works
[02:06] <Diablo-D3> all mice are usb1 devices
[02:06] <Diablo-D3> and your mp3 player is probably usb1 as well
[02:07] <Diablo-D3> and anything else thats been working for you is probably usb1
[02:07] <Shaquile> Diablo-D3: The hdd is 1.1 compatible... but.. hmm maybe it's trying only for 2.0..
[02:08] <Diablo-D3> Shaquile: its not that its 1.1. compatible...
[02:08] <Diablo-D3> Shaquile: its that your box has a usb2 controller, and its using it
[02:08] <Shaquile> Diablo-D3: Mkay..
[02:08] <Shaquile> Diablo-D3: =(
[02:08] <whiskey_1> that is the funniest thing i ever saw.....that xwine has a registry editor
[02:08] <Diablo-D3> if(usb2 == available) { use = usb2; } else { use = usb1; }
[02:08] <Shaquile> Diablo-D3: What should I do about i? =)
[02:08] <Diablo-D3> Shaquile: it sounds like a kernel bug
[02:08] <Diablo-D3> Shaquile: report it on lkml
[02:09] <Shaquile> Diablo-D3: I sounds like my usual luck.
[02:09] <Diablo-D3> Shaquile: include what devices you've tried, what kernel you're using, and what chipset you're using
[02:09] <UnreA|L> where i can find Synaptic Package Manager on KDE 3.4 ?
[02:09] <membreya> UnreA|L: you cant
[02:10] <membreya> but install kynaptic :)
[02:10] <membreya> sudo apt-get install kynaptic
[02:10] <whiskey_1> why would people want a registry editor on xwine.....all that MS hexadecimal crap in the registry is totally unfathonable
[02:10] <UnreA|L> thanks
[02:10] <UnreA|L> ;)
[02:10] <Diablo-D3> kynaptic should be installed by default
[02:10] <Diablo-D3> I probably should go file a bug on that
[02:10] <UnreA|L> ;)
[02:10] <membreya> lol Diablo-D3 :P
[02:10] <membreya> yes, kpackage manager is shit
[02:11] <Shaquile> Diablo-D3: I never used a mailing list in my life :P
[02:12] <membreya> Diablo-D3: wouldn't kynaptic be more of a wish-list than a bug?
[02:13] <Diablo-D3> membreya: its a bug that its not already included
[02:13] <Diablo-D3> ubuntu's policy is that anything that pisses off newbie users is a bug
[02:13] <membreya> ok :)
[02:13] <Diablo-D3> seeing as kynaptic > kpackagebullshit, its a bug
[02:13] <membreya> so can we lodge gnome as a bug? :)
[02:14] <Diablo-D3> I so want to do that
[02:14] <Diablo-D3> atleast, installing gnome by default
[02:14] <Diablo-D3> kde should be installed by default
[02:15] <Sp33dy2> UnreA|L: You can install Synaptic and use that under KDE BTW
[02:16] <whiskey_1> is 7!=5040...i am trying to test xwine
[02:16] <whiskey_1> at least the editor prints ok in xwine
[02:17] <whiskey_1> but i don't know what the heck they need a registry editor in xwine for .....who is going to edi 3a5.39q.k4398/.knasd[0823b;lkjqwre
[02:18] <whiskey_1> and where did MS come up with all those funny numbers and characters in the registry
[02:18] <Diablo-D3> because windows apps use the registry
[02:18] <Diablo-D3> thats why you need a registry editor
[02:18] <whiskey_1> Diablo-D3, have you looked at the incomprehensible stuff in the registry
[02:18] <Diablo-D3> yeah
[02:18] <Diablo-D3> I have
[02:19] <Diablo-D3> blame microsoft
[02:19] <Diablo-D3> there shouldnt even be a registry
[02:19] <Diablo-D3> it should be thousands of tiny little human readable config files
[02:19] <UnreA|L> E: Couldn't find package Synapti
[02:19] <whiskey_1> Diablo-D3, well linux has a registry...why shouldn't MS
[02:19] <Diablo-D3> linux doesnt have a registry
[02:19] <whiskey_1> Diablo-D3, in Linux the registry is called /etc
[02:19] <Diablo-D3> /etc is not a registry
[02:19] <whiskey_1> Diablo-D3, yes it is
[02:19] <Diablo-D3> its thousands of tiny little human readable conf files
[02:20] <Diablo-D3> and the registry is more than that
[02:20] <Diablo-D3> its also all ~/.* as well
[02:20] <whiskey_1> Diablo-D3, well yes the Linux registry is human readable
[02:20] <Diablo-D3> s/all //
[02:20] <Sp33dy2> UnreA|L: synaptic
[02:21] <Sp33dy2> UnreA|L:  It's case sensitive
[02:22] <whiskey_1> Diablo-D3, well xwine is nice but i don't see why they used the old gtk1 instead of gtk2
[02:22] <Diablo-D3> whiskey_1: crackrock ahoy
[02:22] <UnreA|L> how save file in nano editor ?
[02:23] <whiskey_1> UnreA|L, ctrl-x
[02:23] <whiskey_1> UnreA|L, no ctrl-o
[02:23] <UnreA|L> thanks
[02:23] <UnreA|L> ok
[02:23] <UnreA|L> ;)
[02:23] <membreya> UnreA|L: you just need to look at the bottom of the screen
[02:23] <membreya> it's all there
[02:23] <whiskey_1> UnreA|L, and if you want to see line numbers....ctrl-c
[02:24] <whiskey_1> UnreA|L, makes it very easy to debug some code problems
[02:24] <membreya> UnreA|L: the ^'s at the bottom of the screen mean ctrl
[02:24] <UnreA|L> very thanks now i know
[02:26] <UnreA|L> finally i download wine ;)
[02:27] <UnreA|L> all work will done with terminal ;/
[02:29] <whiskey_1> UnreA|L, well be careful when you compile xwine...i used --with-gnome in the config....and the crazy thing compiled with gtk1 widgets instead of gtk2 widgets
[02:30] <whiskey_1> UnreA|L, but anyway it works and it is nice
[02:30] <membreya> so ...anyone else noticed that the new pope looks like Gizmo? :P
[02:30] <whiskey_1> what the hell do the Catholics do with all that money they steal from the poor people
[02:31] <incubii> he looks like the samboy gobble dock
[02:31] <membreya> whiskey_1: live "modestly"
[02:31] <membreya> lol :P
[02:31] <whiskey_1> and what does Pope mean...when they rob the poor of their houses and money
[02:31] <membreya> nah incubii ..gizmo
[02:31] <whiskey_1> all they want to do is pass the tray around and use peer-pressure tactics to force people to hand over their money
[02:32] <membreya> whiskey_1: 1.1billion sheep can't be wrong...BAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
[02:32] <UnreA|L> sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[02:33] <UnreA|L> sudo apt-get install nvidia-settings
[02:33] <UnreA|L> sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf_backup
[02:33] <UnreA|L> sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[02:33] <UnreA|L> sudo gedit /usr/share/applications/NVIDIA-Settings.desktop
[02:33] <UnreA|L> and its done ?
[02:34] <whiskey_1> oh well what those Catholics do..is none of my business...i don't need to stick my nose in their business
[02:34] <membreya> UnreA|L: that and you need to restart X (press ctrl+alt+backspace)
[02:34] <membreya> hmmm ciggie time :)
[02:38] <whiskey_1> yes a cigarette is nice to contemplate their underhanded group-think peer-pressure tactics in robbing people of their money
[02:39] <whiskey_1> but anyway it is none of my business and i don't interfere with those bozos anymore than i interfere with the capitalist pigs
[02:40] <membreya> would owning a computer consitute capatilism ? :)
[02:40] <whiskey_1> membreya, not if you are using a tool to promote altruism
[02:40] <whiskey_1> membreya, many people are using their computers to starve to death while providing everything for everyone else....like the videogamepianist
[02:42] <membreya> oi vay, it's like people whinging about globalisation by using the internet :P
[02:43] <membreya> hypocrisy is always rampant with zealots.
[02:55] <wnorrix> nice job on kubuntu :)
[02:55] <wnorrix> only issue would like better support for ruby :)
[02:56] <incubii> well that might be an issue as its not a developers distrobution
[02:56] <incubii> though you could always opt to make one :P
[02:56] <UnreA|L> now i finally download wine
[02:56] <UnreA|L> with apt-get install wine
[02:57] <UnreA|L> for me automatic configured and installed
[02:57] <UnreA|L> now how i can run M$ soft
[02:58] <incubii> 'wine <executable>.exe
[02:58] <Tm_T> incu o/
[02:59] <wnorrix> incubii: i think i will. I can just port the debian on to kubuntu right. there should not be a issue 
[02:59] <wnorrix> i hope
[02:59] <incubii> howdy Tm_T
[02:59] <Tm_T> erh, gotta go ->
[03:00] <incubii> no i dont think there will be any issue at all
[03:00] <incubii> but you never know :)_
[03:01] <incubii> cya Tm_T
[03:01] <UnreA|L> how i can download with apt-get game anynone ?
[03:02] <UnreA|L> very slow install mIRC with wine
[03:02] <incubii> i dont understand what you are asking UnreA|L
[03:03] <wnorrix> why are you using mirc . have you tried konversation ?
[03:04] <incubii> i found its rather difficult to convert all time mirc users to konverstaion/xchat/irssi etc
[03:04] <incubii> they woudl rather run mirc on wine
[03:04] <UnreA|L> why mirc very slow on wine ?
[03:04] <UnreA|L> and other soft will very slow ?
[03:05] <wnorrix> incubii: i used to use mirc a lot. but then i loved xchat now konveration is my sweetheart
[03:05] <incubii> you are running windows software ontop of an API layer for linux. its going to be slow
[03:06] <incubii> i love xchat
[03:06] <incubii> it does everythign i need
[03:06] <UnreA|L> how i can off API layer ?
[03:06] <UnreA|L> and i using xchat
[03:06] <incubii> you can not run mirc without wine
[03:07] <incubii> use a native linux IRC application
[03:07] <UnreA|L> kvirc is god client ?
[03:07] <incubii> i dont know never used it
[03:08] <smouche> god client !  now there's an app ;)
[03:08] <UnreA|L> anyone test kvirc on ubuntu distribution
[03:09] <smouche> I only use xchat because I like the pseudo transparency - don't think I can do that with konversation
[03:10] <smouche> also for an irc noob like me, the xchat server list that comes by default is useful
[03:10] <wnorrix> smouche: konversation also does come with a server list 
[03:10] <wnorrix> smouche: but imnot sure you can do a trans.
[03:11] <wnorrix> hm must port ruby packages to ubuntu
[03:11] <smouche> I couldn't find any servers listed on there, wnorrix... but anyway, I'm superficial, I need my transparency!
[03:12] <UnreA|L> for xchat not listing people who is sitting in chanell
[03:13] <incubii> what do you mean UnreA|L, xchats user list works perfectly fine
[03:14] <UnreA|L> i show you my screen
[03:14] <wnorrix> hm time to del my mail
[03:14] <wnorrix> 4 gb
[03:15] <incubii> only 4gb? thats pretty darn small
[03:15] <wnorrix> i back up :)
[03:15] <UnreA|L> ;)
[03:15] <wnorrix> have another 3 4gb tarballs 
[03:16] <wnorrix> need to get off crappy mls
[03:16] <incubii> heh
[03:16] <incubii> wt work most peoples email folders are over 40gb
[03:17] <incubii> puts a bit of strain on the server when they go and search every single one!
[03:17] <UnreA|L> where i can download mc ?
[03:17] <UnreA|L> its my best ftp client
[03:17] <wnorrix> UnreA|L: you'll have to port it from debian 
[03:18] <UnreA|L> how ? can you write to me little toturial
[03:18] <wnorrix> I think there is a doc on the wiki
[03:18] <incubii> there is ample information on the wiki and forums
[03:20] <UnreA|L> where ?
[03:20] <incubii> www.ubuntu.org
[03:22] <UnreA|L> how i can download gcc with apt-get ?
[03:22] <wnorrix> apt-get install gcc libc6-dev
[03:24] <wnorrix> ah time to start porting ruby :S
[03:25] <wnorrix> Unreal https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HowToBuildDebianPackagesFromScratch
[03:25] <UnreA|L> thanks
[03:26] <UnreA|L> how i can do transper terminal like transper xchat
[03:26] <wnorrix> use aterm or something
[03:27] <UnreA|L> hm...
[03:28] <wnorrix> konsole does trans i think 
[03:31] <wnorrix> whoa!
[03:31] <wnorrix> the ruby version is bugguy
[03:41] <smouche> can someone help me mount my usb camera - I'm confused because I'm certain it automounted before (when I was using gnome)
[03:41] <smouche> I'm checking ubuntuguide.org too, but...
[03:42] <UnreA|L> GNU Midnight Commander requires glib 1.2.6 or above.
[03:42] <UnreA|L> how i can download glib with apt-get ?
[03:42] <smouche> Bus 001 Device 002: ID 04a9:309a Canon, Inc. PowerShot A80
[03:43] <Tm_T> hopla habla
[03:44] <gsuveg> re
[03:44] <gsuveg> anybody know a fresh mplayer in apt ?
[03:45] <hussam> I set a root password. still users are able to run apps as root using there own password, how can I get it to ask for root pass instead?
[03:47] <UnreA|L> how install files with .deb
[03:47] <UnreA|L> ?
[03:48] <hussam> UnreA|L dpkg -i filename.deb
[03:50] <hussam> anybody knows how to stop users from being able to use there password to run apps as root? I want it to ask for root pass instead
[03:53] <astro76> hussam: remove them from the admin group (or edit your sudo config (visudo) if necessary)
[03:54] <Tm_T>  /etc/sudoers may help?
[03:54] <hussam> /etc/sudoers is empty
[03:55] <astro76> hussam: in ubuntu you should just have to remove them from the admin group
[03:55] <hussam> astro76, if I remove somebody from admin group, kuser crashes
[03:56] <wnorrix> any one here uses amarok ??
[03:56] <gsuveg> wnorrix: like me
[03:57] <hussam> astro76, can this be done from command line?
[03:57] <astro76> hussam: which?
[03:57] <wnorrix> for some reason ther eis no output
[03:57] <hussam> astro76: removing somebody from admin group, 
[03:58] <astro76> should be /etc/group
[03:58] <wnorrix> gsuveg: have any idea why ?
[03:59] <wnorrix> lsmod seems good 
[03:59] <hussam> astro76: ok I'll edit the /etc/group
[04:01] <hussam> brb
[04:01] <gsuveg> whats porblem ?
[04:01] <wnorrix> no output 
[04:02] <wnorrix> the file plays
[04:09] <UnreA|L> checking for g++... no
[04:09] <UnreA|L> checking for c++... no
[04:09] <UnreA|L> checking for gpp... no
[04:09] <UnreA|L> checking for aCC... no
[04:09] <UnreA|L> checking for CC... no
[04:09] <UnreA|L> checking for cxx... no
[04:09] <UnreA|L> checking for cc++... no
[04:09] <UnreA|L> checking for cl... no
[04:09] <UnreA|L> checking for FCC... no
[04:09] <UnreA|L> checking for KCC... no
[04:09] <UnreA|L> checking for RCC... no
[04:09] <UnreA|L> checking for xlC_r... no
[04:09] <UnreA|L> checking for xlC... no
[04:09] <UnreA|L> checking whether we are using the GNU C++ compiler... no
[04:09] <UnreA|L> how i can download with apt ?
[04:10] <astro76> UnreA|L: http://ubuntuguide.org/#build-essential
[04:11] <astro76> and please use a paste site like http://rafb.net/paste/ for large pastes
[04:15] <kkathman> allo all :)
[04:21] <smouche> hey kkathman
[04:24] <kkathman> morning smouche :)
[04:24] <kkathman> just having coffee and waiting for a new hard drive for my laptop to arrive
[04:25] <smouche> lucky you! enjoy both
[04:25] <UnreA|L> uild-essential: Depends: g++ (>= 3:3.3) but it is not going to be installed
[04:25] <UnreA|L>   gftp: Depends: gftp-text (= 2.0.18-1) but it is not installable
[04:25] <UnreA|L> E: Unmet dependencies. Try apt-get -f install with no packages (or specify a solution).
[04:25] <UnreA|L> how install this ?
[04:25] <UnreA|L> ;/
[04:27] <kkathman> hehe
[04:28] <smouche> I have to boot to windows, looks  like - I'm in a rush to upload some photos, and I can't seem to get my camera mounted on kubuntu
[04:28] <kkathman> UnreA|L: did you do a sudo apt-get install build-essential?
[04:28] <UnreA|L> yes
[04:28] <UnreA|L> ;/
[04:28] <kkathman> smouche: now thats something I want to do also
[04:29] <smouche> let's figure it out together later on, shall we kkathman?  I had it working out of the box with gnome, but
[04:29] <kkathman> UnreA|L: tell me how you got to where you are right now ok?
[04:29] <smouche> not in kde...
[04:29] <UnreA|L> Okey
[04:29] <kkathman> smouche... that would be great
[04:30] <UnreA|L> im type sudo apt-get install buil-essential
[04:30] <UnreA|L> and i get
[04:31] <UnreA|L> http://rafb.net/paste/results/gZpZZi90.html
[04:31] <kkathman> UnreA|L: ok then do this   sudo apt-get install g++
[04:31] <UnreA|L> okey
[04:33] <smouche> kkathman, it looks like my windows box is so borked, I can't even get usb devices to show up on there!
[04:33] <UnreA|L> http://rafb.net/paste/results/c5XXFT93.html
[04:33] <UnreA|L> i got
[04:33] <UnreA|L> ;/
[04:33] <kkathman> smouche lol
[04:33] <kkathman> UnreA|L: ok did that finish ok?
[04:33] <UnreA|L> im type apt-get install g++
[04:33] <smouche> I wonder if my boss would accept "I screwed up three computers at home and need to fix them" as a good excuse 
[04:34] <UnreA|L> and i give errors
[04:34] <smouche> for not going to work...
[04:34] <kkathman> smouche: hmmm  not so sure about that :)
[04:34] <UnreA|L> what i can do ?
[04:34] <kkathman> hold on let me look UnreA|L 
[04:34] <UnreA|L> ok
[04:36] <kkathman> UnreA|L: do this now  sudo apt-get install g++-3.3
[04:37] <UnreA|L> Ok
[04:37] <kkathman> success?
[04:38] <UnreA|L> kubuntu@kubuntu:~$ sudo apt-get install g++-3.3
[04:38] <UnreA|L> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[04:38] <UnreA|L> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[04:39] <kkathman> hmmm thats weird
[04:40] <UnreA|L> ;///
[04:41] <kkathman> UnreA|L: go to that directory (  cd /var/lib/dpkg ) and do an ls -l and see if you see a file called lock
[04:42] <kkathman> usually the only reason you get a message like that is if you try to run a command without sudo
[04:42] <kkathman> smouche are you following this?
[04:42] <UnreA|L> yes with sudo
[04:43] <UnreA|L> i can give this error
[04:43] <kkathman> i think that a program didnt shut down properly
[04:43] <kkathman> lets just remove that file   rm /var/lib/dpkg/lock 
[04:44] <kkathman> sorry  sudo rm /var/lib/dpkg/lock 
[04:44] <UnreA|L> okey
[04:45] <kkathman> then try that previous command again:  sudo apt-get install g++-3.3
[04:45] <UnreA|L> kubuntu@kubuntu:~$ sudo apt-get install g++-3.3
[04:45] <UnreA|L> Reading package lists... Done
[04:45] <UnreA|L> Building dependency tree... Done
[04:45] <UnreA|L> You might want to run apt-get -f install to correct these:
[04:45] <UnreA|L> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[04:45] <UnreA|L>   g++-3.3: Depends: libstdc++5-3.3-dev (>= 1:3.3.5-8ubuntu2) but it is not going to be installed
[04:45] <UnreA|L>   gftp: Depends: gftp-text (= 2.0.18-1) but it is not installable
[04:45] <UnreA|L> E: Unmet dependencies. Try apt-get -f install with no packages (or specify a solution).
[04:46] <UnreA|L> im try with apt-get -f, but not work
[04:46] <kkathman> hmm
[04:46] <kkathman> UnreA|L: when and how did you install Ubuntu?
[04:46] <DaBlade> hello
[04:46] <kkathman> howdy DaBlade :)
[04:46] <DaBlade> I just installed Kubuntu, and I got some problems
[04:46] <smouche> not really following, no kkathman -- not sure what you're doing there
[04:47] <kkathman> np smouche
[04:47] <UnreA|L> im install last evening
[04:47] <smouche> problems with the compiler?
[04:47] <DaBlade> can you guys help me?
[04:47] <DaBlade> Yes
[04:47] <DaBlade> it can't find the GCC
[04:47] <kkathman> sure DaBlade, give me a sec ok?
[04:47] <DaBlade> ok
[04:47] <kkathman> UnreA|L: you installed from a disk?
[04:47] <UnreA|L> and using ex3 and swap partitions
[04:47] <UnreA|L> install to mbr
[04:47] <UnreA|L> yes from disk
[04:48] <UnreA|L> kubuntu
[04:48] <UnreA|L> not live-cd
[04:48] <kkathman> UnreA|L:  ok please go and look at your sources.list file for me and make sure that the top item that references the CDROM has a comment sign (#) in front of it
[04:49] <kkathman> I think everything is looking at your CD ROM
[04:49] <kkathman> DaBlade... you might have the same issue
[04:49] <UnreA|L> okey
[04:49] <UnreA|L> where i can source.list
[04:49] <DaBlade> I got the compiler issue, and a few others
[04:49] <UnreA|L> directory ?
[04:50] <smouche> sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:50] <kkathman> UnreA|L: do a sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list and look for what I told you
[04:50] <kkathman> yeah nano works too I guess
[04:50] <kkathman> DaBlade: tell me where you are on your issue
[04:51] <DaBlade> well when I do ./configure, I get a cannot find C compiler
[04:51] <DaBlade> that's on several applications
[04:51] <kkathman> smouche can you walk UnreA|L through making sure he changes that deb cdrom statement...he just needs to put a # in front of it
[04:51] <smouche> sure
[04:51] <kkathman> DaBlade: ok, first did you try sudo apt-get install build-essential ??
[04:52] <smouche> UnreA|L, open a terminal
[04:52] <DaBlade> why sudo? can't I just use su or su -
[04:52] <kkathman> DaBlade: if you are at root, sure
[04:52] <DaBlade> I'm not root, but I always use su for logging in as root
[04:52] <UnreA|L> http://rafb.net/paste/results/v4ZuEk10.html
[04:53] <UnreA|L> i paste all source.list
[04:53] <smouche> UnreA|L, do you have gedit on your system, or do you use nano? or kate?
[04:53] <kkathman> thats fine, but you have to execute it at the root level DaBlade 
[04:53] <smouche> UnreA|L, give me a sec
[04:53] <DaBlade> dablade@LinuxP2P:~$ su
[04:53] <DaBlade> Password:
[04:53] <DaBlade> root@LinuxP2P:/home/dablade # apt-get install build-essential
[04:53] <DaBlade> Reading package lists... Done
[04:53] <DaBlade> Building dependency tree... Done
[04:53] <DaBlade> You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these:
[04:54] <DaBlade> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[04:54] <DaBlade>   build-essential: Depends: gcc (>= 3:3.3) but it is not going to be installed
[04:54] <smouche> ok, UnreA|L cool
[04:54] <DaBlade>                    Depends: g++ (>= 3:3.3) but it is not going to be installed
[04:54] <DaBlade>   kdelibs: Depends: kdelibs-data (>= 4:3.4.0-0ubuntu3.1) but 4:3.4.0-0ubuntu3 is to be installed
[04:54] <kkathman> aha you have the same problem
[04:54] <DaBlade> E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution).
[04:54] <DaBlade> root@LinuxP2P:/home/dablade #
[04:54] <smouche> this is easy,
[04:54] <UnreA|L> smouche im edit with nano
[04:54] <smouche> just put a # in front of the first line of the sources.list
[04:54] <kkathman> DaBlade: you have the same problem as UnreA|L you need to change your sources.list to ignore your CDROM
[04:54] <DaBlade> ok
[04:54] <smouche> like this: # deb cdrom:[Kubuntu 5.04 _Hoary Hedgehog_ - Release i386 (20050407)] / hoary main restricted
[04:54] <smouche> 
[04:54] <DaBlade>  /etc/apt/sources.list?
[04:55] <smouche> yes, DaBlade
[04:55] <kkathman> DaBlade: yes just # out that deb line with CDrom in it
[04:55] <DaBlade> ok
[04:55] <smouche> make sure you comment out that CD source , like kkathman says
[04:55] <kkathman> while you are at it, UNcomment the lines with multiverse and universe in it
[04:55] <smouche> UnreA|L, got it?
[04:55] <kkathman> that way you get all the stuff you need
[04:55] <DaBlade> #deb cdrom:[Kubuntu 5.04 _Hoary Hedgehog_ - Release i386 (20050407)] / hoary main restricted 
[04:56] <kkathman> yep thats the one
[04:56] <DaBlade> ok
[04:56] <UnreA|L> ( # symbol ) remove
[04:56] <smouche> ?
[04:56] <UnreA|L> or how ?
[04:56] <kkathman> DaBlade: go down and remove the # in front of the lines with universe and multiverse in them
[04:56] <DaBlade> can I also add Debian's repositories? I've heard that they are massive
[04:56] <Chameleon22> under kubuntu whats the path for X includes?
[04:56] <DaBlade> ok
[04:56] <smouche> UnreA|L, you need to ADD # in front of that first line
[04:56] <kkathman> DaBlade: yeah its just down further in that file, remove the #
[04:56] <smouche> you want it to look like this:
[04:56] <smouche> # deb cdrom:[Kubuntu 5.04 _Hoary Hedgehog_ - Release i386 (20050407)] / hoary main restricted
[04:56] <smouche> 
[04:57] <DaBlade> with a sharp in front of it, yeah
[04:57] <DaBlade> sharp: # :)
[04:57] <kkathman> DaBlade yes...you see the other lines?
[04:57] <smouche> DaBlade, musician, eh?
[04:57] <DaBlade> No 
[04:57] <DaBlade> But I was once a member of a forum called DCSharp
[04:58] <DaBlade> (Developers forum for a DirectConnect mod)
[04:58] <smouche> UnreA|L, you've used nano before?  You know that to save the changes, you choose Ctl-O for "write-out" (that's save)...
[04:58] <DaBlade> deb-src http://no.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary universe 
[04:58] <DaBlade> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary-security main restricted 
[04:58] <DaBlade> deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary-security main restricted 
[04:58] <DaBlade> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary-security universe   
[04:58] <DaBlade> deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary-security universe  
[04:58] <kkathman> DaBlade: okay scroll down further....you will see some other deb lines, and out at the end you will see universe and muiltiverse...on those lines only, remove the # at the beginning
[04:58] <DaBlade> can you give me Debian's repositories too?
[04:58] <DaBlade> I've heard that they're extremely large
[04:59] <kkathman> DaBlade: you should have these, if not...add them:
[04:59] <kkathman> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[04:59] <kkathman> deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[04:59] <kkathman> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary multiverse
[04:59] <kkathman> deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary multiverse
[04:59] <Chameleon22> under kubuntu whats the path for X includes?
[04:59] <UnreA|L> iokey
[04:59] <smouche> DaBlade, I'd be very careful adding Debian repos at this point
[04:59] <UnreA|L> ups im use ctrl+x
[04:59] <smouche> UnreA|L, how ya' doing
[04:59] <smouche> ah hah
[04:59] <UnreA|L> oh no....
[05:00] <smouche> don't panic, UnreA|L - if you messed up anything in that file, nano probably made a backup,
[05:01] <smouche> or maybe not
[05:01] <UnreA|L> all text god
[05:01] <smouche> ?
[05:01] <kkathman> DaBlade: those are ok tho...as long as they are ubuntu ones
[05:01] <smouche> UnreA|L, what happened?
[05:01] <DaBlade> But can I somehow add Debian's repos?
[05:01] <UnreA|L> nothing
[05:01] <UnreA|L> i remove #
[05:02] <smouche> why?
[05:02] <UnreA|L> and push CTRL+o
[05:02] <kkathman> DaBlade: Usually theres no reason, about 99% of them are in ubuntu's repos
[05:02] <kkathman> those that arent, usually have some probs
[05:02] <smouche> dude, the list you posted had no # in front of the CD entry, we want you to ADD one...
[05:02] <DaBlade> ok
[05:03] <UnreA|L> ok
[05:04] <kkathman> DaBlade:  done?
[05:05] <smouche> UnreA|L, do you have a # in front of your first line now?  If you do, that's good!  Save the file!
[05:05] <kkathman> DaBlade: ok now make sure you save that file
[05:05] <DaBlade> umm...I don't think the GCC error is fixed yet
[05:05] <DaBlade> I did
[05:05] <kkathman> DaBlade:  you need to do a sudo apt-get update first
[05:06] <smouche> UnreA|L, you too, once you've saved that file, do sudo apt-get update
[05:06] <kkathman> that reads your new sources list and drops the CDrom
[05:06] <UnreA|L> yes i know 
[05:06] <UnreA|L> now... apt-get install build-essentials
[05:06] <DaBlade> ok
[05:06] <DaBlade> E: Couldn't find package build-essentials
[05:06] <DaBlade> root@LinuxP2P:/home/dablade #  
[05:06] <smouche> UnreA|L, that's "build-essential"  I think 
[05:07] <DaBlade> (and yes, I have done apt-get update)
[05:07] <smouche> DaBlade, just build-essential, not essentials, no -s
[05:07] <kkathman> DaBlade: ok just please go back to your sources.list and make sure that the changes you made were written out propertly
[05:08] <UnreA|L> yes its work
[05:08] <smouche> good
[05:08] <UnreA|L> thanks all who helped me
[05:08] <smouche> you're very welcome1
[05:08] <UnreA|L> Selecting previously deselected package g++.
[05:08] <UnreA|L> Unpacking g++ (from .../g++_4%3a3.3.5-1_i386.deb) ...
[05:08] <UnreA|L> Selecting previously deselected package build-essential.
[05:08] <UnreA|L> Unpacking build-essential (from .../build-essential_10.1ubuntu1_i386.deb) ...
[05:08] <UnreA|L> Setting up libstdc++5-3.3-dev (3.3.5-8ubuntu2) ...
[05:08] <UnreA|L> Setting up g++-3.3 (3.3.5-8ubuntu2) ...
[05:08] <UnreA|L> Setting up g++ (3.3.5-1) ...
[05:08] <UnreA|L> Setting up build-essential (10.1ubuntu1) ...
[05:08] <UnreA|L> now all files unpacking
[05:08] <UnreA|L> ;)
[05:10] <smouche> I love this stuff.  Wish I could comment out some lines in my life...
[05:10] <UnreA|L> good bye all ;)
[05:10] <kkathman> good job smouche :)
[05:10] <smouche> heh heh, you too, kkathman
[05:11] <kkathman> well I dont know if we got DaBlade working yet or now
[05:11] <kkathman> not
[05:11] <smouche> for a while there, I thought maybe UnreA|L thought "remove" meant "add"
[05:11] <donblas> Hey all, i'm new to kubuntu, is there a known problem with kdelibs upgrade?
[05:12] <kkathman> donblas yes
[05:12] <smouche> oh yeah!
[05:12] <DaBlade> Yes there is, donblas
[05:12] <DaBlade> I have it too now
[05:12] <kkathman> there is a script available to fix it tho
[05:12] <donblas> can you point me to that script? i coudln't find it on google
[05:12] <DaBlade> http://pastebin.com/276676
[05:12] <smouche> we need a bot for that script...
[05:12] <kkathman> http://moba.linuxfaqs.de/kdelibs-debug.sh
[05:12] <DaBlade> there is? gimme gimme
[05:13] <kkathman> DaBlade did you double check your sources.list ?
[05:13] <DaBlade> yes
[05:13] <kkathman> hmm... Im a bit baffled then
[05:13] <donblas> just sudo run that script?
[05:14] <kkathman> let me show you my sources.list and you can possibly check it against yours ok?
[05:14] <DaBlade> sh (filename.sh)
[05:14] <kkathman> DaBlade I will post it in #kk
[05:14] <DaBlade> o
[05:14] <DaBlade> k
[05:16] <donblas> another question, how do i point the apt-get away from the cd-rom and to the online ones? what's the file that controls that? i'm previously of gentoo so i don't mind getting my hands dirty...
[05:16] <smouche> donblas
[05:16] <smouche> easy
[05:17] <smouche> just add # in front of the line regarding your CD-Rom source
[05:17] <smouche> the file is
[05:17] <smouche> /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:17] <donblas> smouche: thanks,i'm blind today, couldn't find it :)
[05:17] <smouche> np!
[05:18] <smouche> kkathman, that list is the soup de jour of the day, so to speak! ;-)
[05:19] <smouche> you know, the installation routine should really save people some grief and automatically comment out that line at some point
[05:20] <donblas> ok, where's a list of some servers i can point apt-get to to get say...kdevelop?
[05:20] <donblas> apt-cache search kevelop = not found...
[05:20] <smouche> donblas, look at www.ubuntuguide.org
[05:20] <donblas> smouche: on it, thanks
[05:20] <ManLord> Does anyone else have problem getting kmobiletools with kynaptic?
[05:21] <smouche> but please, donblas, be careful at first, unless you're willing to risk instability, to not venture too far out of the ubuntu repos
[05:22] <smouche> but if you're a gentoo guy, you're probably way more capable of dealing with this stuff than I ;-)
[05:22] <donblas> smouche: yeah, my gentoo blew up twice in 2 months, and i heard this distro was good, so i'm trying it out :)
[05:23] <smouche> cool -- that guide is great, though not specific to kde (kubuntu), but most of it seems valid...
[05:24] <smouche> ManLord, maybe you need to add repos, universe or multiverse ?
[05:24] <kaoD> hello
[05:26] <DaBlade> hei stianh
[05:26] <DaBlade> jeg ser at du er fra Norge 
[05:26] <stianh> hey
[05:26] <ManLord> jeg og
[05:26] <stianh> ja det stemmer :)
[05:26] <ManLord> :)
[05:26] <DaBlade> Jeg er ikke fra norge per definisjon
[05:26] <stianh> hehe, plage livet av alle som ikke er det med  fortsette  snakke norsk?
[05:26] <DaBlade> jeg er Bosnisk :)
[05:27] <DaBlade> lol
[05:27] <smouche> "Norwegian by definition" ??
[05:27] <stianh> DaBlade: du befinner deg i det minste i norge og snakker norsk
[05:27] <DaBlade> ja det gjr jeg 
[05:27] <stianh> hvor man er ifra er egentlig lite relevant:)
[05:27] <stianh> og hvor man er ogs for den saks skyld
[05:28] <DaBlade> ja
[05:29] <pajohn> does anyone know about linux sound drivers?
[05:29] <DaBlade> ALSA
[05:29] <DaBlade> Advanced Linux Sound Architecture
[05:29] <hunger> pajohn: OSS and ALSA.
[05:29] <uniq> pajohn: know what about them? 
[05:29] <donblas> is there a apt-get front end search webpage or program for kubuntu?
[05:29] <pajohn> is alsa the best bet for the best sound quality?
[05:29] <Chameleon22> has anyone here managed to install KNowit, is so... i really need help :(
[05:29] <uniq> yes.
[05:30] <uniq> pajohn: yes.
[05:30] <DaBlade> ALSA is the best there is for sound. period. :)
[05:31] <uniq> chameleon22: are there debian/ubuntu packages of knowit? or are you trying to compile it yourself? 
[05:31] <pajohn> hmm
[05:32] <pajohn> i used alsa when i was using fedora and it worked great with no dropouts or anything
[05:32] <pajohn> now it's dropping out like once a second
[05:32] <pajohn> on alsa
[05:32] <Chameleon22> uniq: if there were pkg would i ask... any way during configure stage, it cant find  path to x includes so chokes there and i dont know where x includes would be if not in standard dir ... so i can pass them as an arg to configure
[05:33] <uniq> chameleon22: you'll need some -dev packages to build it.
[05:33] <Chameleon22> uniq: which once?
[05:36] <Chameleon22> uniq: you there dude?
[05:36] <uniq> chameleon22: give me a few min.. i'll make a package.. 
[05:37] <Chameleon22> uniq: thats ok, just tell us the dev libs i need, i am not a newb just newb with linux , just n00b with  kde :p
[05:37] <DaBlade> uniq, can you do me a favor?
[05:37] <DaBlade> I've tried using alien to convert a specific RPM to DEB, but it won't work when installed
[05:37] <DaBlade> can you try?
[05:37] <uniq> alien often fails.. 
[05:38] <ManLord> When I have libidn11 version 0.5.2-3 is that higher that 0.5.13?
[05:38] <ManLord> kmobiletools says that i need at least 0.5.13
[05:38] <ManLord> but isn't 0.5.2-3 higher?
[05:38] <uniq> manlord: no. .13 is higher.. 
[05:38] <DaBlade> the rpm can be found on www.rpmfind.net
[05:38] <DaBlade> it's for mandrake only
[05:38] <DaBlade> but worked on Fedora
[05:39] <DaBlade> galaxy-kde-kwin
[05:39] <DaBlade> can you please try? it's a KDE window decoration
[05:40] <uniq> if alien doesn't work for you, i doubt alien will work for me.
[05:43] <Chameleon22> uniq: lalalala :p
[05:43] <alfons> Hi guys; I can't get my sound card to work. It's an ESS ES1869 PnP card; I think I loaded the needed ALSA modules during startup, but the card isn't recognized. When I run the live cd from BioKnoppix, though, the sound DOES work!
[05:46] <pajohn> yeah i'm having alsa problems also
[05:47] <pajohn> mine sound just drops out about 2x a second
[05:47] <alfons> I know I loaded all possible modules during startup. Knoppix doesn't recognize the card's type, so loads the universal module "sb"; and that works!
[05:47] <alfons> do you know how to load it on kubuntu?
[05:48] <pajohn> doesnt control center do it?
[05:51] <uniq> chameleon22: just make sure you've got kdelibs4-dev installed.. 
[05:51] <Chameleon22> uniq: cool thanks
[05:52] <Chameleon22> uniq: hopefully the bitch will work now :/
[05:52] <Chameleon22> anyone here from holland?
[05:56] <pajohn> my default sound hardware is "autodetect" which give me a dropout ~every 5 seconds. When i switch so ALSA, i get a dropout 2x a second
[05:57] <pajohn> any ideas?
[06:03] <Chameleon22> uniq: got it going... sweet 
[06:06] <alfons> Chameleon22: not holland, but Belgium here
[06:07] <pajohn> nevermind, i switched to OSS and it sounds like a champt
[06:08] <alfons> how to switch to OSS, pajohn? I'm quite a newbie, see
[06:08] <pajohn> all i did was control center
[06:09] <pajohn> from the "start menu"
[06:10] <pajohn> under sound and multimedia>sound system>hardware
[06:10] <pajohn> change audio device to open system sound
[06:10] <alfons> ok I'll try that
[06:10] <pajohn> i'm not really sure what all the other options under hardware are
[06:10] <pajohn> but give it a try
[06:10] <pajohn> trial and error
[06:11] <pajohn> also if your sound is really noisy, try muting some channels from kmix
[06:11] <alfons> Sound server informational message: Error while initializing the sound driver: device: default can't be opened for playback (No such file or directory) The sound server will continue, using the null output device.
[06:11] <alfons> that's the error message I get
[06:12] <pajohn> hmm
[06:12] <pajohn> how about the other audio devices?
[06:13] <pajohn> autodetect or "enlightened sound daemon"
[06:13] <alfons> Sound server informational message: Error while initializing the sound driver: Couldn't connect to server The sound server will continue, using the null output device.
[06:13] <alfons> when I use OSS, no error message appears (this one appeared after selecting ALSA), but no sound sounds either, when I try ESD, it gives this message: "
[06:13] <alfons> (see above)
[06:14] <alfons> and using Autodetect, nothing happens but no sound either
[06:14] <pajohn> hmm
[06:14] <pajohn> maybe google your soundcard see if there's anything with linux
[06:15] <alfons> I did that, but it should work correctly; it's supported both by ALSA and OSS.
[06:15] <Chameleon22> alfons: can i pm you 
[06:15] <Chameleon22> ?
[06:15] <alfons> ok
[06:15] <pajohn> chameleon probably knows more than me
[06:20] <alfons> nope; don't seem to figure it out
[06:21] <pajohn> i know this is a dumb idea, but make sure all your devices are turned on and the volume is up.
[06:21] <pajohn> b/c i forgot to do that once and i thought my sound was broken
[06:22] <alfons> I checked that, but the strange thing is that when I run KInfoCenter , my sound card isn't detected at all!
[06:22] <pajohn> yeah that is odd
[06:23] <alfons> but the BIOS does detect it, and KNOPPIX does too
[06:25] <pajohn> i don't know how to do that, but is there a way to take the config from knoppix (probably a config file) and copy it to your kubuntu sound config?)
[06:26] <alfons> don't ask me; I don't know anything about that, but I do know that the configuration of Debian is something strange... You don't just have to edit your /etc/modules.conf file, but your /etc/modutils/xxxxx file
[06:29] <pajohn> does knoppix have a "control center" type thing (i think all KDE has the same one?) you could go in, look at the settings, write them down, and apply them for your kubuntu
[06:30] <pajohn> if it has any weird settings
[06:30] <pajohn> then maybe restart
[06:30] <pajohn> but i really don't know what i'm talking about
[06:31] <alfons> yes, it has a control center too, since it is based on KDE; I'll try that out
[06:31] <alfons> thanks for the help; I'll let you know if it worked
[06:56] <DaBlade> hello 
[06:56] <DaBlade> I got another problem. anyone got some time?
[06:57] <DaBlade> the problem is with ./configures
[06:57] <DaBlade> checking for _NSGetEnviron... no
[06:57] <DaBlade> checking for vsnprintf... yes
[06:57] <DaBlade> checking for snprintf... yes
[06:57] <DaBlade> checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
[06:57] <DaBlade> root@LinuxP2P:/home/dablade/downloads/kalarm-1.3.0b2 #
[06:57] <kkathman> hey DaBlade did they fix that other issue?
[06:57] <DaBlade> yes, but now I got this issue
[06:57] <kkathman> what went wrong?
[06:57] <DaBlade> well server timeout
[06:57] <DaBlade> I removed all the deb-src servers
[06:57] <DaBlade> and it workeds
[06:57] <DaBlade> *worked
[06:57] <kkathman> lol
[06:57] <kkathman> ok
[06:57] <DaBlade> and then I installed build-essential
[06:57] <kkathman> good
[06:58] <DaBlade> but now this problem
[06:58] <DaBlade> can you help me?
[06:58] <kkathman> looks like you might need those packages
[06:58] <DaBlade> ...
[06:58] <DaBlade> I got X
[06:58] <DaBlade> otherwise I wouldn't be running KDE
[06:59] <kkathman> now the checking for X...thats an unusual one
[06:59] <kkathman> but its the X includes
[06:59] <DaBlade> everything is unusual about *buntu distros it seems
[06:59] <DaBlade> lol
[07:00] <Vivaldi> hello
[07:00] <kkathman> well for what its worth, I've had none of these issues and I have compiled alot
[07:00] <Vivaldi> does kubuntu have the same buggy installer of debian?
[07:00] <kkathman> what exactly is it that you are compiling?
[07:00] <kkathman> Vivaldi: no, it has its own
[07:00] <DaBlade> Vivaldi: I don't think this is linux-installer
[07:00] <DaBlade> well several apps
[07:00] <DaBlade> first one is kalarm
[07:00] <kkathman> why are you compiling those?
[07:01] <kkathman> are they not there ffrom the repos?
[07:01] <DaBlade> because compiling always brings better results than binary packages
[07:01] <kkathman> not with ubuntu
[07:01] <kkathman> just do your sudo apt-get install kalarm
[07:01] <bhna> DaBlade: sudo apt-get install xkib-dev
[07:01] <kkathman> thanks bhna :)
[07:01] <kkathman> but
[07:01] <bhna> DaBlade: *xlib-dev
[07:02] <kkathman> he removed the deb-src repos
[07:02] <Vivaldi> does kubuntu have the same version of the kernel/gcc as debian. it's important for me to know this
[07:02] <DaBlade> root@LinuxP2P:/home/dablade/downloads/kalarm-1.3.0b2 # apt-get install xkib-dev
[07:02] <DaBlade> Reading package lists... Done
[07:02] <DaBlade> Building dependency tree... Done
[07:02] <DaBlade> E: Couldn't find package xkib-dev
[07:02] <DaBlade> root@LinuxP2P:/home/dablade/downloads/kalarm-1.3.0b2 #
[07:03] <DaBlade> Vivaldi: Debian uses 2.4.x kernels (REEEEEEEALY old)
[07:03] <DaBlade> *buntu uses 2.6.x
[07:04] <Vivaldi> DaBlade, i mean -sarge
[07:04] <bhna> DaBlade: sorry xlib-dev
[07:04] <DaBlade> ok
[07:04] <DaBlade> root@LinuxP2P:/home/dablade/downloads/kalarm-1.3.0b2 # apt-get install xlib-dev
[07:04] <DaBlade> Reading package lists... Done
[07:04] <DaBlade> Building dependency tree... Done
[07:04] <DaBlade> E: Couldn't find package xlib-dev
[07:04] <DaBlade> root@LinuxP2P:/home/dablade/downloads/kalarm-1.3.0b2 #
[07:04] <DaBlade> can you give me the direct link to the deb?
[07:05] <bhna> DaBlade: sorry another type xlibs-dev
[07:05] <DaBlade> ok
[07:06] <DaBlade> yes it works
[07:08] <trans_err> mplayer: relocation error: /usr/lib/libavcodec.so.0: undefined symbol: NeAACDecOpen
[07:09] <trans_err> anyone else get that one?
[07:13] <DaBlade> ...
[07:13] <DaBlade> I'm getting pissed
[07:13] <DaBlade> now I've fixed the X problem, and I got a new one
[07:13] <DaBlade> checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.0) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation!
[07:13] <DaBlade> For more details about this problem, look at the end of config.log.
[07:13] <DaBlade> root@LinuxP2P:/home/dablade/downloads/kalarm-1.3.0b2 #              
[07:14] <amichai> man u guys supply an incomplete k3b. maybe u should change it, unless u prefer it that way :)
[07:15] <amichai> the cdrdao thing, why is it left out?
[07:16] <Anlar> it shouldn't.. it's a mistake most likely. go to bugzilla to report it
[07:16] <pinny> im guessing maybe that it's copyrighted
[07:16] <pinny> so they can't distribute it
[07:16] <pinny> like dvdcss2
[07:17] <pinny> DaBlade
[07:17] <pinny> what are you trying to compile
[07:17] <bhna> DaBlade: libqt3-dev is your friend
[07:17] <pinny> I got that problem the other day trying to install Wesnoth
[07:17] <pinny> yeah, installing libqt3-dev solved the problem
[07:17] <amichai> pinny: that sucks. no its fine. just when u start k3b u need to install cdrado otherwise it wont work
[07:17] <pinny> yeah i know
[07:18] <pinny> i reinstalled kubuntu 5 times yesterday
[07:18] <pinny> and each time i needed to burn a cd
[07:18] <amichai> pinny: it just seems weird that it wouldnt be already isntalled. its the whole app
[07:18] <amichai> pinny: why?
[07:18] <pinny> and each time i had to reinstall cdrado
[07:18] <DaBlade> ok thanks bhna
[07:18] <amichai> pinny: yah
[07:18] <pinny> yeah, im guessing because of copyright issues
[07:19] <pinny> hey
[07:19] <amichai> pinny: but on other distros its part of it
[07:19] <pinny> amichai
[07:19] <pinny> what does your screen name mean
[07:19] <pinny> oh 
[07:19] <amichai> pinny: u already know :)
[07:19] <pinny> does it mean my nation should live?
[07:19] <amichai> pinny: my nation lives
[07:19] <pinny> cool
[07:19] <amichai> pinny: more precise my people live
[07:20] <pinny> your from israel?
[07:20] <pinny> or just jewish
[07:20] <amichai> pinny: both
[07:20] <pinny> ah
[07:20] <pinny> where in israel
[07:21] <pinny> my family is making aliyah summer 2007
[07:21] <bhna> DaBlade: you need kdebase-dev and kdelibs4-dev for kde-programs
[07:21] <amichai> pinny: whats with u? german jew?
[07:21] <pinny> no american
[07:21] <amichai> pinny: jerusalem
[07:21] <pinny> were moving to beit shemesh
[07:21] <amichai> pinny: ah nice place
[07:21] <DaBlade> bhna I installed them, but apt is complaining so I had to remove them
[07:21] <amichai> pinny: cute little town
[07:21] <pinny> lots of americans there i hear
[07:21] <DaBlade> you're from israel eh? what do you think about Palestina?
[07:21] <amichai> pinny: in ramat beit shemesh
[07:21] <pinny> yeah
[07:21] <pinny> that's what i meant
[07:21] <amichai> DaBlade: whats palestina?
[07:22] <DaBlade> Palestine in english
[07:22] <amichai> pinny: lots of americans in the popular cities
[07:22] <pinny> i have alot of family in nevei yaakov
[07:22] <bhna> DaBlade: why?
[07:22] <amichai> DaBlade: never heard of it
[07:22] <pinny> that we want to live close to
[07:22] <DaBlade> bhna: don't know
[07:22] <Tm_T> hullo
[07:22] <amichai> pinny: yeah thats important
[07:23] <DaBlade> you never heard of Palestine? The muslims have been fighting what UN took from them for fifty years
[07:23] <amichai> pinny: jerusalem is expensive
[07:23] <DaBlade> My family are muslim, but I'm an antitheist
[07:23] <pinny> im thinking about yeshivah in jerushalayim
[07:23] <amichai> DaBlade: nope
[07:23] <DaBlade> ...
[07:23] <pinny> well we want to live close to them, but not that close
[07:23] <amichai> pinny: yeshiva is good
[07:24] <pinny> i have a couple friends going to the mir after pesach
[07:24] <DaBlade> IMO they've got as much right to the land as you do. why can't israeli and palestinians live in peace?
[07:24] <DaBlade> bhna: it didn't work:
[07:24] <DaBlade> checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.0) (library qt-mt) not found. Please check your installation!
[07:24] <DaBlade> For more details about this problem, look at the end of config.log.
[07:24] <DaBlade> Make sure that you have compiled Qt with thread support!
[07:24] <DaBlade> root@LinuxP2P:/home/dablade/downloads/kalarm-1.3.0b2 #   
[07:24] <amichai> DaBlade: are u serious man? if u were with me when i served in Gaza six months ago u would know why
[07:24] <Anlar> dablade: you shouldn't login as root.. just sudo the commands.
[07:24] <bhna> DaBlade: mmh
[07:25] <amichai> DaBlade: stop watching tv
[07:25] <amichai> DaBlade: F$%$% the mindx
[07:25] <DaBlade> I know what's going on there
[07:25] <DaBlade> And I know more about the politics in the world than people think
[07:25] <bhna> DaBlade: then you need libqt3-mt-dev
[07:25] <pinny> go into synaptic and just do a search for qt
[07:25] <amichai> DaBlade: the mistake that people make, even smart people, is that they know the politics
[07:26] <DaBlade> amichai: look at the following Wikipedia pages: illuminati, freemasons, skull_and_bones
[07:26] <pinny> and install the dev packages
[07:26] <amichai> DaBlade: blood is not politics
[07:26] <DaBlade> Blood is what's being shed because of pigheaded politicians
[07:26] <DaBlade> oh, and look on infowars.com, arnoldexposed.com and prisonplanet.com
[07:26] <amichai> pinny: mir is heavy...buts its good learning, i'm not from that world
[07:27] <pinny> oh we're orthodox
[07:27] <amichai> DaBlade: tell me something man, why would i? a guy who stood night and day with an M-16 shooting and being shot at by terrorists, care to read about it?
[07:28] <DaBlade> so now they're terrorists?
[07:28] <DaBlade> how do you think they look at you?
[07:28] <amichai> DaBlade: what do i care about why they are doing it, and whose fault it is? all i care about is the guy next to me, so that his mother will see him get married and have kids and live
[07:28] <DaBlade> You got just as much right to the land as they do, and vice versa. 
[07:28] <amichai> DaBlade: i dont care how they look at me
[07:28] <Anlar> someone should just nuke the whole israel and that quarrel would be over.
[07:28] <DaBlade> In their mind, you're probably the terrorists
[07:28] <amichai> DaBlade: i dont care how much right to the land they have
[07:29] <DaBlade> Anlar: Or the stuck up politicians should be shot, and a deal set up to share the land
[07:29] <DaBlade> then you're just a thief, plain and simple
[07:29] <pinny> DaBlade, hasn't that been tried in the past
[07:29] <amichai> DaBlade: ah all politicians should be shot
[07:29] <DaBlade> yes
[07:29] <amichai> DaBlade: where do u live?
[07:30] <pinny> and did it work?
[07:30] <DaBlade> Norway
[07:30] <DaBlade> pinny, have the politicians been shot?
[07:30] <pinny> the land, i mean
[07:30] <amichai> DaBlade: so how the heck can u talk to me about land? u never lost it.
[07:30] <DaBlade> Well the problem is that the leaders always make unfair deals towards one or another side
[07:30] <DaBlade> I NEVER LOST IT?!
[07:30] <DaBlade> I'
[07:30] <DaBlade> m a bosnian
[07:31] <amichai> DaBlade: oh so say so
[07:31] <DaBlade> half of our country was taken from us
[07:31] <DaBlade> by serbs and croats
[07:31] <amichai> DaBlade: so no wonder u think its the same
[07:31] <DaBlade> the city I was born in has a nice little sign that says 'The Republic of Serbia'  
[07:32] <DaBlade> And every year when I go to vacation, I get pissed when I see it
[07:32] <DaBlade> Trust me, I know how it is to have it taken from you
[07:32] <amichai> DaBlade: who is more important to u, bosnians or serbians?
[07:32] <DaBlade> Bosnians
[07:32] <DaBlade> we had it for ages, and now they come and take it
[07:32] <amichai> DaBlade: Who would you defend? Bosnians or serbians?
[07:32] <DaBlade> Basically what UN did to palestinians
[07:32] <DaBlade> Bosnians of course
[07:33] <DaBlade> especially after the Srebrenica Massacre
[07:33] <amichai> DaBlade: At all cost? 
[07:33] <DaBlade> ever heard of it?
[07:33] <amichai> DaBlade: would u defend ur bosnian brother at all cost?
[07:33] <amichai> DaBlade: yes
[07:33] <DaBlade> The serbians killed over 7000 men, women, children in less than a week
[07:33] <DaBlade> and then proclaimed it serbian land
[07:34] <DaBlade> I would defend it, just like Palestinians are defending what was theirs until about 50 years ago
[07:34] <DaBlade> but I would also try to make peace, not just shoot every serbian in sight
[07:34] <amichai> DaBlade: ok. so why do u wonder at how i would defend my brothers?
[07:34] <DaBlade> I don't wonder
[07:34] <bhna> DaBlade: and who owns the land befor the bosnians and before and before? you understand what i mean?
[07:34] <DaBlade> But I wonder why you can't make peace at all
[07:35] <amichai> DaBlade: u wouldnt shoot every serbian in sight after what they did to u?
[07:35] <amichai> DaBlade: u wanna know why? 
[07:35] <DaBlade> bhna: Bosnia has always been bosnia. 
[07:35] <amichai> DaBlade: Arabs what Israel gone
[07:35] <DaBlade> That's another problem
[07:35] <DaBlade> if people can just come to a truce
[07:35] <DaBlade> somehow learn to live in peace
[07:35] <bhna> DaBlade: maybe the greeks and so on?
[07:35] <amichai> DaBlade: no peace. CNN is all peace, come with me to Gaza, no one there wants peace, they want israel gone
[07:36] <DaBlade> And doesn't israel want the same thing with the so called terrorists?
[07:36] <amichai> DaBlade: so peace is just a lie. a dream. peace only works when two people want it. like a marriage will fail when only one partner wants it to succeed
[07:36] <DaBlade> got nothing to say?
[07:37] <amichai> DaBlade: man are u kidding me? do u know how many times i wasnt allowed to shoot back?
[07:37] <amichai> DaBlade: rpg shot at me, kalashnikov, i had to sit there like a duck
[07:37] <DaBlade> Why shoot at all?
[07:37] <bhna> the reason for all this shit is: fear makes power
[07:37] <amichai> DaBlade: only someone who doesnt value their life would ask such a question
[07:38] <DaBlade> fear is why the western hemisphere are allowing themselves to be dominated by the slowly forming neofascist empire
[07:38] <DaBlade> Terror attacks from the CIA employee Osama Bin Laden
[07:38] <amichai> DaBlade: thats what i'm saying. 
[07:38] <DaBlade> it was the Skull and Bones society that set up 9/11
[07:38] <DaBlade> and the bush admin. carried it out
[07:38] <amichai> DaBlade: it';s a fact that bin laden was trained by the cia.
[07:39] <Anlar> black helicopters and stuff
[07:39] <DaBlade> [19:26]  <DaBlade> amichai: look at the following Wikipedia pages: illuminati, freemasons, skull_and_bones
[07:39] <DaBlade> [19:26]  <DaBlade> oh, and look on infowars.com, arnoldexposed.com and prisonplanet.com
[07:40] <amichai> DaBlade: it's all dirty politics, but it still has its really bad results down on field, and u cant sit there and say "i wont shoot, because the reason this is happening is because american trained osama, and then he fought the russian communists, and the he became rich and then he wanted to fight.....blah blah blah..."
[07:40] <amichai> DaBlade: in fact i dont remember talking much tha past three years 
[07:40] <sdogi> anyone has a issue like, when you try to save some link sometimes konqueror crashes
[07:40] <DaBlade> You can also say I won't join the military, I'm a pacifist
[07:40] <amichai> DaBlade: i'm not a pacifist.
[07:40] <sdogi> and it usually 100% crashes when you press on link, the konqueror embedded whatever movieplayer starts, you press back and then press right click, savelink
[07:40] <DaBlade> I am
[07:41] <DaBlade> and I don't see why anyone would want more bloodshed
[07:41] <amichai> DaBlade: because u live in norway and no one is shooting at u.
[07:41] <DaBlade> But they did
[07:41] <DaBlade> my dad barelly escaped from Bosnia
[07:41] <sdogi> i have about 4 kde crashhandler traceback about these, i wonder if it could be some "my bug" or should i submit them
[07:41] <DaBlade> and my city has been taken over
[07:41] <amichai> DaBlade: come here to gaza and even though maybe u'll join the arabs, u wont be  a pacifist anymore. it's not realistic when u face it.
[07:42] <amichai> uniq: ur a pacifist?
[07:42] <DaBlade> uniq, hva mener du om dette?
[07:42] <uniq> no? :)
[07:42] <uniq> amichai: no. not at all.
[07:42] <amichai> uniq: right. why would u join the army otherwise.
[07:42] <uniq> :)
[07:43] <DaBlade> anyway, I'm not taking sides in this conflict. 
[07:43] <DaBlade> or I am partially. I take the side of peace
[07:44] <DaBlade> violence breeds more violence
[07:44] <DaBlade> the more rounds you fire off, the more you'll have to fire off
[07:45] <Shaquile> It's a very narrowsightet vision you got there DaBlade 
[07:45] <Shaquile> It isn't that easy
[07:45] <amichai> DaBlade: my whole point is. Right or wrong. Just as your family comes first, so do your people. This doesnt mean the hell with everyone else, it just means that u dont ask questions when another people fight u. I dont know how old u are, but if u had a little girl and she got raped by ur neighbour, would u go and read about it first, to see how many rapes and why they've been happening in ur neighbourhood? I would hope that ud go there
[07:45] <uniq> well.. it's pretty easy.. "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."
[07:46] <DaBlade> good point uniq. If people don't stop the bloodshed, more is gonna come
[07:46] <Shaquile> You have to take actions to keep the war from getting closer.
[07:46] <DaBlade> NO. you have to take actions to stop the war completely
[07:46] <amichai> DaBlade: what u quoted there was said by Tolstoy (A pacifist Jew)...when they asked him what he would say if he saw a soldifer kill a baby, he laughed and said that would never happen.
[07:46] <amichai> DaBlade: i've seen that happen
[07:47] <amichai> DaBlade: only it wasn a soldier
[07:47] <DaBlade> somehow I doubt any of the sides are innocent regarding that
[07:47] <amichai> DaBlade: so if u want to live in that kind of fantasy...ur welcome
[07:47] <DaBlade> so hoping for peace is living in a bubble? 
[07:47] <amichai> DaBlade: there is two ways for peace:
[07:47] <uniq> Well, i'll just go do kubuntu stuff.. solving world-problems isn't my job.
[07:48] <DaBlade> good point kkathman
[07:48] <DaBlade> I'll STFU now lol
[07:48] <kkathman> not that I disagree with good discussion mind you :)
[07:48] <amichai> DaBlade: cause so much fear in the enemy that he wont attack, or to come to an agreement
[07:48] <amichai> kkathman: i dont know! i just mentioned i was israeli
[07:48] <kkathman> now thats a good exit message.....Avoid the Gates of Hell...use Linux :)
[07:49] <kkathman> very clever that one
[07:49] <amichai> DaBlade: peace will come one day, i believe that. i believe that one day everyone will be sick of fighting, but not today.
[07:50] <DaBlade> But at what price? When half the world's population is dead? Peace will have to come now. The illuminist groups will have to be dissolved now. The wars will have to be stopped now. Not put off for tomorrow.
[07:50] <amichai> DaBlade: the world need to be ready, and its not. u pretending it is, wont make it that way. only education will. u telling me that 50 years ago we stole their land, is a good indication of false education. read more. i wish it was so simple. it never is.
[07:51] <amichai> DaBlade: tell me something, did u knwo that chechian mercenaries were fightint in bosnia on ur behalf?
[07:51] <amichai> DaBlade: did u see any of them? Very good, brutal fighters.
[07:51] <uniq> who wanted a package of knowit? 
[07:52] <shad0w1e> my Kubuntu is totally mashed. the other day my Kubuntu turned into plain "KDE", plus konqueror crashes like every two seconds. Is there any way to completely get rid of the kubuntu portion (keeping my linux configuration), along with it's settings, etc, and then to put it back in, kind of like, freshly?
[07:52] <DaBlade> chech fighters?
[07:52] <kkathman> arghh... im out of here...going to #ubuntu
[07:52] <DaBlade> of course. And american. and italian. and every other cuntry (note the spelling) that wants some publicity
[07:52] <amichai> DaBlade: Tell them to stop fighting. I tell u. tell the israeli army u can go home and watch movies and play half-life 2, or go camping, isntead of being here fighting, they would.
[07:53] <DaBlade> you tell them. I'm quarter-way across the globe from israel
[07:53] <amichai> DaBlade: come here and tell my neighbours to stop fighting. They'll laugh at u. They have a mission and they want to complete it.
[07:53] <DaBlade> and what is that mission?
[07:53] <amichai> DaBlade: Jihad
[07:53] <DaBlade> eradicate all that oppose you?
[07:53] <DaBlade> jihad? holy war?
[07:53] <DaBlade> ...
[07:53] <amichai> DaBlade: u learned about jihad i'm sure
[07:53] <DaBlade> this is getting lame
[07:53] <amichai> DaBlade: exactly. Look at Iraq
[07:54] <DaBlade> religion is screwing up the world
[07:54] <DaBlade> what about Iraq?
[07:54] <amichai> DaBlade: why lame. They graffiti it everywhere
[07:54] <amichai> DaBlade: its a jihad, ofcourse america invaded, but it would have ended up in america anyway. america just made it easier.
[07:55] <DaBlade> easier for whom?
[07:55] <amichai> bhna: ur right
[07:55] <DaBlade> ok, bhna
[07:55] <amichai> DaBlade: for the shahidim
[07:55] <amichai> anyway
[07:55] <amichai> enough
[07:55] <DaBlade> the what?
[07:55] <amichai> DaBlade: shahidim, ur muslim, u dont know? 
[07:55] <amichai> DaBlade: martyrs
[07:55] <DaBlade> I'm not a muslim, for the third time
[07:55] <amichai> anyway
[07:55] <DaBlade> my family is
[07:55] <DaBlade> I'm an antitheist
[07:56] <DaBlade> Ergo against all forms of religion
[07:56] <amichai> DaBlade: well next time u go to the shower look between ur legs
[07:56] <DaBlade> http://jfm.methlabs.org/site/content/view/17/32/
[07:56] <amichai> anywa...i like ubuntu
[07:56] <amichai> ubuntu is fun
[07:56] <amichai> ubunt makes me happy
[07:56] <gdh> fuck sake, is this 'overwriting default.kde' kdeliba-data bug still on the go?
[07:56] <DaBlade> what is that supposed to mean?
[07:57] <amichai> gdh: yes
[07:57] <amichai> DaBlade: ask ur dad. 
[07:57] <bhna> gdh: yes
[07:57] <gdh> Pff :/
[07:57] <amichai> DaBlade: i really gotta go.
[07:57] <amichai> DaBlade: www.debka.com
[07:57] <DaBlade> hold a sec
[07:57] <DaBlade> what did you mean with look between my legs?
[07:57] <amichai> DaBlade: are u circumcised?
[07:58] <gdh> some reference to circumcision?
[07:58] <DaBlade> yes
[07:58] <DaBlade> so what?
[07:58] <amichai> DaBlade: since when do Christian Norwegian circumcise.
[07:58] <gdh> that's a non-starter, that could just mean his parents were jewish, or obsessive about cleanliness
[07:58] <amichai> DaBlade: ur dad did that to u to make u muslim/
[07:58] <DaBlade> DUDE: My family are Bosnian, and they are muslims!
[07:59] <gdh> Anyway, this is a technical forum, leave religious trolling at the front door, please.
[07:59] <DaBlade> cutting off the fore skin on my **** won't make me believe in god
[07:59] <amichai> gdh: lol. his parents are jewish. in america its common, in europe, only if ur jewish, arab or have problems
[07:59] <DaBlade> who's parents? mine? hell no
[08:00] <amichai> DaBlade: it doesnt matter, they did it cos they did
[08:00] <DaBlade> they did it cuz it's a tradition (even though it's sick to do)
[08:00] <amichai> DaBlade: this citizen of the world stuff is fun, but never lasts
[08:01] <amichai> DaBlade: i gotta go, check out the site www.debka.com
[08:01] <uniq> well.. back to the linux stuff.. :)
[08:01] <amichai> DaBlade: remember, knowledge only comes to those who keep their minds open
[08:01] <DaBlade> site timing out
[08:01] <amichai> uniq: yes
[08:01] <DaBlade> Yes it does
[08:01] <amichai> DaBlade: so ur mind isnt open yet, try again whe it is
[08:01] <DaBlade> my mind is open
[08:01] <amichai> ok i really gotta go
[08:01] <DaBlade> yours isn't
[08:01] <DaBlade> adios
[08:02] <gdh> uniq: this /ignore in Konversation works really well =)
[08:02] <DaBlade> back to Kubuntu
[08:02] <amichai> DaBlade: man u scared off pinny
[08:02] <uniq> it's really hard to accept that others might have another opinion.. than the one you've got. I know :)
[08:03] <amichai> uniq: thats why less talk, and more action. like now i'm going to eat :)
[08:03] <uniq> :)
[08:04] <Gavrila> how is breezy going?
[08:04] <uniq> great.
[08:04] <Gavrila> is it yet enough stable to not wipe out my pc? 
[08:05] <uniq> well.. if you know your way arround dpkg and apt-get you'll probably survive.. but don't expect it to be stable and useable out of the box :)
[08:06] <bhna> is vieo4linux or video4linux2 in the kernel?
[08:07] <DaBlade> not again...
[08:07] <DaBlade> checking for KDE... configure: error:
[08:07] <DaBlade> in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. This will fail.
[08:07] <DaBlade> So, check this please and use another prefix!
[08:07] <DaBlade> root@LinuxP2P:/home/dablade/downloads/kalarm-1.3.0b2 #    
[08:08] <bhna> DaBlade: you need kdelibs4-dev
[08:08] <DaBlade> ok
[08:08] <uniq> and.. --prefix=/usr
[08:09] <bhna> si
[08:09] <DaBlade> ?
[08:09] <bhna> DaBlade: configure --prefix=/usr
[08:10] <DaBlade> k
[08:10] <DaBlade> hey bhna, do you like spamming forums?
[08:10] <DaBlade> *posting in forums lol
[08:11] <bhna> DaBlade: what?
[08:11] <DaBlade> [shameless-spam] Check out my site: www.linuxp2p.com :)[/shameless-spam] 
[08:11] <DaBlade> I'm trying to get more members lol
[08:12] <bhna> DaBlade: think i'm to old ;-)
[08:13] <DaBlade> you're only too old when you die :P
[08:13] <gdh> DaBlade: You should write slogans for inspirational car stickers...
[08:14] <DaBlade> car stickers? for a P2P forum? lol
[08:14] <DaBlade> I'm not good at writing slogans
[08:14] <DaBlade> the best I've got so far is LinuxP2P.com - The Linux File-Sharing Portal
[08:14] <gdh> how about "Now wash your hands"
[08:14] <gdh> or "the other white meat" :)
[08:14] <DaBlade> ?
[08:14] <DaBlade> ...
[08:15] <gdh> I dunno, they made me giggle :)
[08:15] <DaBlade> lol
[08:15] <gdh> Being off work from now until Tuesday might have something to do with it
[08:15] <DaBlade> feel free to join and suggest it in the suggestions forum ;)
[08:15] <bhna> DaBlade: look at my page and by some pictures ;-) www.timobehn.com/galerie_a1.shtml. it's in german!
[08:16] <randabis> so what, you distribute omg l33t leenux w4r3z?
[08:16] <randabis> hehe
[08:16] <DaBlade> lol I don't distribute anything on my site apart from information
[08:16] <DaBlade> but I'm an admin in a site that shares torrents and hashlinks for various P2P networks
[08:16] <DaBlade> http://666fs.moo.no/
[08:17] <DaBlade> bhna nice pics (except for the "MC" one..I didn't like it, sorry lol)
[08:18] <bhna> DaBlade: ;-)
[08:18] <amichai> uniq: breezy will kill the pc soon though right, a lot will be added
[08:19] <DaBlade> amchai, what do you think of my site? www.linuxp2p.com
[08:19] <amichai> DaBlade: let me see
[08:19] <DaBlade> (more shameless self advertising lol)
[08:19] <uniq> amichai: as i said, if you know your way arround dpkg and apt-get you'll do OK.
[08:19] <amichai> uniq: that could mean a million things
[08:19] <amichai> uniq: do i know to use apt-get and dpkg yes, but is that what u mean?
[08:20] <randabis> the point is, if you install a development release of a distro, expect it to break on you, and don't expect stability
[08:20] <uniq> ok, if you're and apt-get and dpkg expert you'll do ok.
[08:20] <amichai> DaBlade: tech-help forum?
[08:20] <DaBlade> file sharing discussion/help forum :)
[08:21] <randabis> uniq is saying that if problems arise, if you know enough about the package system to fix them, breezy will work fine for you
[08:21] <amichai> DaBlade: thats good. Would have never gotten anywhere without such forums
[08:21] <amichai> randabis: what are the main differences so far
[08:21] <DaBlade> Feel free to join. [more shameless spam lol] 
[08:22] <randabis> Considering I have not installed Breezy, I am not qualified to answer that question
[08:22] <amichai> DaBlade: cool name. What do u discuss mainly? 
[08:22] <gdh> real poster at Leeds University...  http://hugslut.net/gallery/album64/img_3480
[08:22] <randabis> I would assume at this early stage it is not all that different from hoary, except for a lot more experimental/upgraded (new) packages
[08:22] <uniq> gcc 4.0 is the main change so far.
[08:23] <uniq> imo.
[08:23] <amichai> randabis: thanx. 
[08:23] <randabis> Yeah, gcc 4 is expected to sweep the scene soon enough
[08:23] <amichai> uniq: no breezy backport
[08:23] <randabis> supposedly adds some more optimizations, etc
[08:24] <randabis> I know all the gentoo ricers are orgasming over gcc 4
[08:24] <DaBlade> amichai: File sharing. (obviously)
[08:25] <amichai> DaBlade: like gnutella? limewire?
[08:25] <randabis> probably bittorrent
[08:25] <Aircobra> anybody had a problem with multiple simultaneous sounds on Kubuntu Hoary ?
[08:25] <DaBlade> yes, but mainly larger networks like BitTorrent, WinMX, eDonkey2000 etc...
[08:25] <amichai> gdh: lol. what the hell?
[08:25] <DaBlade> Aircobra: use Alsa and DMix
[08:26] <Aircobra> ok, ill check it out
[08:26] <amichai> DaBlade: cool
[08:27] <amichai> ok so who is writing the kubuntu guide?
[08:27] <bhna> how can i ad the nvidia.ko in the *.img?
[08:29] <randabis> umm..I don't think you need to do that
[08:29] <DaBlade> gotta
[08:29] <DaBlade> go
[08:29] <DaBlade> cya, people
[08:32] <Tm_T> oer
[08:37] <amichai> take care ppl
[08:39] <UnreA|L> X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your ins                                                                           tallation and add the correct paths!
[08:39] <UnreA|L> where is X paths ?
[08:42] <stianh> do "whereis xorg" perhaps
[08:46] <Anlar> install the -dev package(s)
[09:00] <donblas> hey all, i just figured out i didn't put a swap partition on my install, can you resize ext3 or is this reinstall fodder?
[09:00] <stianh> you can use qtparted or gparted, or just plain parted to resize ext3 partitions
[09:01] <randabis> you can resize the partition with parted or qtparted
[09:01] <randabis> the partition has to be unmounted though
[09:01] <randabis> you can't reliably resize a mounted partition
[09:01] <stianh> yeah, so booting with a knoppix cd or similar is a good way of doing it
[09:01] <randabis> how much ram is in the system?
[09:02] <donblas> alright, can i use teh kubuntu cd to mount my partition?
[09:02] <stianh> knoppix has qtparted in it
[09:02] <pajohn> i've had problems with running knoppix qtparted
[09:02] <pajohn> for some reason...
[09:02] <stianh> don't know if kubuntu live has any parting software
[09:02] <pajohn> mepis works though
[09:02] <donblas> hmmm
[09:02] <donblas> so no easy answer it seems
[09:03] <pajohn> definitely try knoppix first
[09:03] <pajohn> since it's the standard for live cds
[09:03] <donblas> arg, off to burn one
[09:05] <randabis> how much ram is in the system?
[09:18] <robin__> ping
[09:19] <kubluntnex> pong
[09:21] <robin__> :)
[09:35] <kubluntnex> where do i get the kubuntu kernel source?
[09:36] <kubluntnex> or whats the package name?
[09:37] <blueyed> kubluntnex, linux-source-2.6.10
[09:45] <kkathman> kubluntnex: what are you trying to do exactly
[09:45] <kubluntnex> recompile kernel for drm-ati
[09:45] <kkathman> oh ok
[09:46] <kubluntnex> i'm on an ati-rage
[09:46] <kubluntnex> i want drm to run unrealtournament
[09:46] <kkathman> ok
[09:46] <kubluntnex> thats my goal
[09:47] <kubluntnex> also need to identify my soundcard
[09:47] <kubluntnex> which i have trouble with
[09:47] <kubluntnex> lspci doesnt sees it
[09:47] <kubluntnex> so i suspect its an onboard soundchip on isa bus 
[09:47] <Anlar> most likely lspci does see it but doesn't recognize it
[09:48] <kubluntnex> there are no reports no sound device
[09:48] <kubluntnex> lspci*
[09:53] <kubluntnex> /etc/modules is where i put modules that i want loaded at boot ?
[09:53] <kubluntnex> kernel modules*88888888
[09:53] <kubluntnex> sorry, crappy keybb
[09:53] <DaBlade> hello
[09:53] <kubluntnex> hello root
[09:53] <DaBlade> ooops...l ol
[09:54] <DaBlade> well I'm not in X right now, I'm root because I'm trying to install the nVIDIA drivers
[09:54] <DaBlade> I can't install it because my kernel source isn't installed
[09:54] <DaBlade> how do I install it?
[09:54] <TetrisMaster>  I dont understand why ppl just cant apt-get install kde after they install ubuntu, whats kubuntu for?
[09:54] <DaBlade> kernel 2.6.10-5-386 I think
[09:54] <kubluntnex> your box ... /dcc send DaBlade ./mytrojanned-nvidia-installer.sh
[09:54] <Choubaka> sudo apt-get install linux-source`uname -r`
[09:54] <Choubaka> err
[09:55] <Choubaka> sudo apt-get install linux-source-`uname -r`
[09:55] <DaBlade> ok thanks
[09:55] <kubluntnex> :)00000
[09:55] <kkathman> TetrisMaster: you can
[09:55] <kkathman> TetrisMaster: in fact thats the best way to achieve success
[09:56] <kkathman> Install base ubuntu hoary, then apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[09:56] <DaBlade> ~odd
[09:56] <DaBlade> it says that it's busy
[09:56] <DaBlade>  /var/lib/dpkg
[09:57] <TetrisMaster> i just apt-get install kde, not kubuntu-desktop
[09:57] <TetrisMaster> it still works fine
[09:57] <TetrisMaster> where would i find the programs, like XMMS, when i want to open a file with a program, where do i browse to find it, like (program files) folder in windows????
[09:57] <DaBlade> how do I 'free' it?
[09:58] <ojw>  /usr/bin TetrisMaster 
[09:58] <DaBlade> and /usr/share
[09:58] <TetrisMaster> thanks OJW
[09:58] <kkathman> TetrisMaster: I am not sure what actually is standard, but you should be able to do an apt-cache search xmms and see the packages
[09:58] <DaBlade> kkathman can you tell me?
[09:58] <_roel> Hey all
[09:59] <_roel> Anyone having problems with konqueror crashing quite often?
[09:59] <DaBlade> it says something like could not get lock on /var/lib/dpkg
[09:59] <ojw> DaBlade: you have 2 programs open trying to do updates at same time?
[09:59] <DaBlade> no :/
[09:59] <DaBlade> and X isn't running so it can't be synaptic
[09:59] <kkathman> sorry I was doing something...what's the question
[09:59] <ojw> e.g. apt-get and synaptic, or 2 terminals doing apt-get
[09:59] <_roel> Anyone having problems with konqueror crashing quite often?
[10:00] <ojw> or not running as sudo/root?
[10:00] <DaBlade> I only got two active TTYs
[10:00] <DaBlade> the one with apt and this one
[10:00] <kkathman> oh to clear that lock just delete the file in that directory
[10:00] <DaBlade> delete the file?
[10:00] <kkathman> usually you get that lock for two reasons
[10:00] <kkathman> 1) A process doesnt complete
[10:00] <DaBlade> ah that's it
[10:01] <kkathman> 2) you are trying to execute something that needs root privs
[10:01] <pinny> hehe DaBlade
[10:01] <pinny> still here
[10:01] <pinny> sup
[10:01] <DaBlade> got a problem with that? :P
[10:01] <kkathman> if 1) just rm that lock file
[10:01] <pinny> nah :p
[10:01] <pinny> amichai went out a while ago?
[10:01] <DaBlade> A moment ago I tried installing kernel-source, but it was downloading the wrong version so I did ctrl+z
[10:02] <pinny> let me ask if anyone knows
[10:02] <uniq> dablade: ctrl+z is suspend.
[10:02] <pinny> is there a way to make it that when you apt-get
[10:02] <pinny> froma  terminal
[10:02] <pinny> it goes through each package one at a time
[10:02] <uniq> dablade: type 'fg' in a terminal.. and use ctrl+c to close it.
[10:02] <ojw> %1 to reopen it, DaBlade...
[10:02] <pinny> and shows a descriptiont of it
[10:02] <pinny> and ask if you want to install it
[10:02] <pinny> when i do it
[10:03] <pinny> it's either all the packages or none of them
[10:03] <DaBlade> couldn't find package linux-source-uname -r
[10:03] <DaBlade> I did use the 's 
[10:03] <Almindor> there is no CDRDAO package?
[10:04] <uniq> yes there is.. in universe.
[10:04] <ojw> Almindor: got some repositaries selected in synaptic?
[10:04] <gdh> DaBlade: ` not '
[10:04] <gdh> backtick, below Esc
[10:04] <DaBlade> |
[10:04] <DaBlade> 
[10:05] <DaBlade> 
[10:05] <gdh> well it is on a UK keyboard.
[10:05] <DaBlade> I'm using a norwegian keyboard
[10:05] <gdh> fuctifino :)
[10:05] <DaBlade> is there a way to copy/paste outside X?
[10:05] <Almindor> ojw: I got those I had after installing kubuntu(I use kynaptic btw)
[10:05] <uniq> dablade: shift+the key left of backspace.
[10:05] <pinny> Almindor, I think you have to add universe
[10:05] <Almindor> pinny: how in kynaptic?
[10:05] <pinny> nah
[10:06] <pinny> open a terminal
[10:06] <kikov> helo
[10:06] <DaBlade> `
[10:06] <uniq> almindor: http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[10:06] <gdh> yay!
[10:06] <Almindor> thx
[10:06] <pinny> yeah
[10:06] <kikov> does anybody know the solution to the fbmmx.o problem?
[10:06] <pinny> follow that link
[10:06] <DaBlade> Ok i'll try this
[10:06] <pinny> almindor, follow that link, then sudo apt-get install cdrdao
[10:17] <mactiny> hi evryone
[10:17] <paulo-131> hello
[10:17] <factorx> hi
[10:17] <kubluntnex> hi
[10:18] <paulo-131> is someone know how to fix a problem with dhcp ? in Kubuntu
[10:18] <factorx> can someone tell me the right name of the package that i need to install for amarok mp3 support? akode-mpeg as mentioned in the faq "cannot be found" :/
[10:19] <Anlar> read the wiki at ubuntulinux.org about restricted formats
[10:19] <paulo-131> i can t have an ip with my router
[10:20] <ojw> what is the problem, paulo-131?
[10:20] <_P_> hi 
[10:20] <_P_> sdax changed  name  on kubuntu?
[10:20] <_P_> i cant mount a  mass storage  device
[10:21] <paulo-131> when i install kubuntu, i m trying t get an ip with dhcp (i have a router) but it can not do it, and i don t know why
[10:21] <paulo-131> it works well on slackware and windows, on the same computer
[10:32] <guran> Hi, I can't log in as root in cups, tp add a printer. I had to install Mdk 10.1 to print.
[10:33] <Anlar> reading the documentation sometimes helps.
[10:35] <ojw_> login as root, or "sudo", guran?
[10:35] <whiskey_2> damn...i lost my ogg movie...now i have to start all over again...that never happened before
[10:36] <whiskey_2> what a pain.
[10:36] <whiskey_2> i can't hardly believe apache has nearly as many configure options as transcode...but i still have not been able to get apache to work
[10:37] <guran> ojw: sure has, I don't understand where cups is looking for my passwd.
[10:37] <whiskey_2> guran, fuck the ubuntu guide...look at your groups....examine carefully one callled shadow
[10:38] <whiskey_2> guran, then i think you will know what to do
[10:38] <guran> whiskey_2: OK, I will check.
[10:39] <Anlar> like:
[10:39] <Anlar> Additionally, the following command must be used (as the user root) to enter a CUPS-specific password for the user root in /etc/cups/passwd.md5: 
[10:39] <Anlar> lppasswd -g sys -a root
[10:40] <Anlar> but then again, please don't bother reading the software manuals, ever.
[10:43] <whiskey_2> about the only thing i can figure is that apache must need some dependency that is unspecified
[10:43] <whiskey_2> i just can't figure why thttpd works but httpd does not
[10:43] <guran> whiskey_2: I have manually added guran to group lp in gshadow only cupsys, what do this do?
[10:44] <whiskey_2> guran, ok...you gave yourself group permissions...now go try to log into cups with your guran password 
[10:46] <guran> whiskey_2: I have tried that, no luck. I will add myself to cupsys and see what happens. Thanks for your answer, I will be back in half an hour.
[10:48] <whiskey_2> guran...i did not say anything about group lp or gshadow....i told you to look at the shadow group
[10:48] <whiskey_2> guran   you need to look at what i told you
[11:01] <whiskey_2> hey what the hell....now apache2 is working
[11:01] <whiskey_2> why did it start working today
[11:02] <kkathman> de doo doo doo de da  da  da
[11:02] <whiskey_2> i stopped thttpd...and started httpd...and the doggone thing began to work
[11:02] <whiskey_2> i wonder what changed
[11:02] <whiskey_2> linux is so full of mysteries
[11:03] <kkathman> and its those mysteries that make everything interesting :)
[11:04] <kkathman> too many people install a LAMP system the hard way :)
[11:04] <whiskey_2> and it says apache 2.1.4
[11:04] <whiskey_2> apache 2.1.3
[11:05] <whiskey_2> but why did it begin to work all of a sudden and never from any of the previous compilations
[11:05] <whiskey_2> now i just have to go recompile with many more options...but the basics are working finally
[11:06] <pinny> hey guys i was wondering if it makes a big difference to upgrade to linux-686 from linux-386
[11:07] <Almindor> pinny: I went to k7.. some speedups noted
[11:08] <kkathman> pinny uhm well only if you want a better processor
[11:08] <Almindor> cedega got faster..
[11:08] <pinny> i wonder why it's not in the ubuntu guide if it's important
[11:08] <pinny> i would have thought that it's one of the most basic things to do
[11:08] <kkathman> pinny its rather obvious tho
[11:09] <kkathman> the ubuntu is standard for all x86 tho, no changes needed
[11:09] <pinny> kkath, it's not obvious to someone whose new to linux
[11:10] <Almindor> well having a kernel compiled with specific CPU optimalizations can be a big change
[11:10] <randabis> not really
[11:10] <pinny> a change that the user would notice
[11:10] <pinny> ?
[11:10] <whiskey_2> kkathman, you know it amazes me why apache would not work yesterday and it decided to work today...it still says it has a database problem as before...but the site comes up
[11:10] <gdh> I doubt it
[11:10] <Almindor> mostly no :)
[11:10] <whiskey_2> kkathman, i tell you ...this stuff is so full of mysteries
[11:10] <kakalto> does anyone have any ideas why my sound stopped working?
[11:10] <Almindor> but some kernel intensive things may become better
[11:10] <randabis> pinny: no, unless you're a ricer :p
[11:10] <kakalto> it worked before, but I'm not sure what I changed, then it doesn't work
[11:10] <gdh> -686 compiles are generally only there to appease the gentoo types
[11:11] <gdh> haha yes exactly the ricers =)
[11:11] <Almindor> and crux types... :D
[11:11] <randabis> :)
[11:11] <gdh> now with 30% more fat :)
[11:11] <kkathman> whiskey_2: oh sure it is....thats what makes it interesting
[11:11] <randabis> hehe
[11:11] <gdh> =))
[11:11] <kkathman> smouche!! how was work?
[11:11] <Almindor> btw
[11:12] <randabis> I used to do some ricing I admit :p
[11:12] <gdh> randabis: <applause> 
[11:12] <Almindor> I get a: VFS: "Can't find Ext3 filesystem on /dev/hda2(main linux partition for "/")
[11:12] <randabis> I discovered the error of my ways though :)
[11:12] <gdh> randabis: That's good you can admit that, that's how group therapy works.
[11:12] <Almindor> anyone knows what it is?
[11:12] <Almindor> it "works" ok afterwards.. but the messages gives me the creeps
[11:13] <smouche> work was perfect, kkathman, thanks for asking.  All I did was pick up a check.  Easy day!
[11:13] <Almindor> (I use reiserFS)
[11:13] <randabis> ricerFS :p j/k
[11:13] <Almindor> :)
[11:13] <Almindor> ext3 is SLOOOOW
[11:13] <kkathman> smouche I cant complain I office out of my home
[11:13] <Almindor> reiser with notail,noatime rocks
[11:14] <randabis> yeah reiser does have some advantage in some tasks
[11:14] <Almindor> deleting :)
[11:14] <Almindor> 3.6 atleast
[11:14] <randabis> but reiser sank my battleship once so I'm learly of using it again
[11:14] <Almindor> well I crashed my old mdk alot of times(and yes the kernel froze too)
[11:14] <Almindor> never got data lost..
[11:14] <randabis> I lost over 60 gigs of data because of reiser :(
[11:15] <randabis> some of it was irreplacable
[11:15] <kakalto> yeuch
[11:15] <randabis> yeah; shit happens :p
[11:15] <Almindor> I don't think there's much to save with a filesystem alone
[11:15] <Almindor> journalized FSs don't save anything more than unjournalized..
[11:15] <gdh> randabis: you're not the only person I know who's been really badly burnt  with reiser :/
[11:15] <Almindor> they just recover faster :)
[11:16] <gdh> you can't go wrong with ext3
[11:16] <Almindor> FAT32 has it's charm :)
[11:16] <Almindor> especialy getting old files back
[11:16] <randabis> yeah I keep anything important on ext3 now
[11:16] <randabis> I do have a couple of xfs partitions though
[11:16] <randabis> my / and /usr are xfs iirc
[11:16] <randabis>  /home is ext3 though
[11:17] <randabis> and /home/randabis/storage (the mount point for my secondary 80 gig drive)
[11:17] <whiskey_2> randabis, well don't feel bad...i just lost a whole damn ogg movie
[11:17] <Almindor> ogg movie?
[11:17] <whiskey_2> randabis, now i have to start all over
[11:17] <randabis> ow
[11:17] <Almindor> ogg is carrier :)
[11:18] <MindZEye> Theora?
[11:18] <Anlar> theora, if video.
[11:18] <whiskey_2> MindZEye, yes
[11:18] <Almindor> yes
[11:18] <whiskey_2> MindZEye, i have to make the whole damn thing agian
[11:18] <guran> Hi, I am back with a functioning printer. In wiki I found the solution in KubuntuReleaseCandidateComments.
[11:18] <MindZEye> whiskey_2: Blast
[11:18] <Almindor> Theora, Vorbis and some lossless codec for audio too
[11:18] <ojw_> so losing a movie/file... how does "ogg" become relevant to that problem? 
[11:18] <randabis> maybe I'll try and setup wpa_supplicant again in a little bit
[11:19] <randabis> I'd really like to get some wifi going on my laptop :/
[11:19] <smouche> kkathman, did you get your new drive?
[11:19] <kkathman> smouche: yep got it all setup and got my assignment out to the client already :
[11:19] <randabis> the ndiswrapper driver has no wpa so I have to use wpa_supplicant, and it's a bitch to get setup
[11:20] <guran> wiskey_2: I used:# adduser cupsys shadow and # /etc/init.d/cupsys restart
[11:22] <pinny> now I don't get this; jdong said the backport was uploading already an hour and a half ago
[11:22] <pinny> its only 60 mb
[11:22] <pinny> how slow is his internet connneeection
[11:23] <guran> Thanks, for a usefull and nice IRC group, Leaving.
[11:23] <whiskey_2> ojw_, hey dont ask me...i don't know what happened to the ogg movie..i can't locate it...this never happened before
[11:23] <whiskey_2> ojw_, so i am just going to try again
[11:23] <ojw_> you can't locate it?  like, the file is on your disk and you don't know where?!?
[11:23] <whiskey_2> ojw_, well...maybe it is not on the disk
[11:24] <whiskey_2> ojw_, i can't find it
[11:24] <ojw_> what tool do you believe had it last?
[11:24] <whiskey_2> ojw_, ffmpeg2theora
[11:25] <whiskey_2> ojw_, but i lost the whole damn movie somehow
[11:26] <ojw_> and where does ffmpeg2theora's man page say that it stores the files?
[11:28] <whiskey_2> ojw_, well i have only made one successfully and it stores it where you tell it with the -o command
[11:28] <whiskey_2> ojw_, but this time...it was not there
[11:29] <ojw_> where was your -o command?
[11:29] <whiskey_2> in my home directory
[11:31] <whiskey_2> ojw_, don't ask me what is going on....linux is full of mysteries....today apache 2.1.3 started working and not yesterday...i wonder if it will work tomorrow
[11:32] <whiskey_2> ojw_, i better check if the database programs still connect today
[11:34] <ojw_> whiskey_2: it's not normal. you've converted a file and lost it. you somehow have bodged an apache installation. these aren't things which I'd normally identify as linux-specific problems
[11:35] <kkathman> ojw_: well said
[11:35] <gdh> problem exists in the seat-keyboard interface
[11:36] <kkathman> setting up php, mysql, and apache2 are done rather quickly and easily with xampp
[11:36] <whiskey_2> ojw_, hey don't ask me ....but these things are linux specific because they are happening on linux
[11:36] <kkathman> howdy KaiL!
[11:37] <whiskey_2> ojw_, well at least the database programs are still connecting
[11:37] <KaiL_> hmm
[11:37] <KaiL_> why didn't pppd reconnect automatically?
[11:37] <KaiL_> strange
[11:38] <gdh> KaiL: http://ppp.samba.org/ppp/features.html
[11:38] <gdh> that's why :)
[11:39] <KaiL_> lol
[11:48] <pinny> can someone help me with this: when I type sudo kate filename
[11:48] <pinny> Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-pinny" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
[11:48] <pinny> Link points to "/var/tmp/kdecache-root"
[11:48] <pinny> kate: ERROR: Communication problem with kate, it probably crashed.
[11:48] <pinny> i get 
[11:48] <pinny> the above
[11:49] <pinny> anyone know why
[11:49] <ojw_> kdesu kate filename?
[11:49] <ojw_> or gnome-su kate filename?
[11:49] <ojw_> the su user might not have access to the x-server
[11:49] <kkathman> pinny try doing a ctrl-esc and look at the process...then kill the one that has UID 1000 and Kate
[11:50] <pinny> oh it worked with kdesu
[11:50] <pinny> i was just typing sudo
[11:50] <pinny> are you supposed to type kdesu in kubuntu?
[11:50] <Tm_T> hullo
[11:50] <KaiL_> you need kdesu for X apps because of some rights management in X
[11:51] <ojw_> sudo isn't guaranteed to be as good with graphical programs
[11:51] <pinny> ah
[11:51] <ojw_> sudo is fine for command-line things
[11:51] <pinny> ahh
[11:51] <ojw_> like sudo cat filename
[11:51] <pinny> if i want to run konqueror as root
[11:51] <pinny> can i just add kdesu to the command line
[11:51] <KaiL_> yes
[11:51] <pinny> it wouldn't work when i added sudo
[11:51] <pinny> ohwow
[11:52] <pinny> thanks!
[11:52] <smouche> omg, that explains a lot -- I had no idea...
[11:52] <pv_> Is the problem with sudo + kde programs due to the fact that the started kde program tries to use the kdeinit running as the user to spawn new processes?
[11:52] <whiskey_2> ojw_, wow...this time i made the movie with the wrong settings....now i have to start all over again....this GNU Star Wars is a real pain....very mysterious things are happening
[11:52] <smouche> no wonder kate was crashing on me when I tried to use it to edit ocnfiguration files...
[11:53] <kkathman> smouche  thats why you always do a sudo gedit
[11:53] <smouche> kkathman, I do a sudo nano, actually ;-)
[11:54] <pinny> kkathman shoudlnt you do a gnome-su gedit
[11:54] <pinny> ?
[11:54] <pinny> oh
[11:54] <pinny> actually no such think
[11:54] <pinny> so theres just kdesu and sudo?
[11:55] <ojw_> maybe not installed for you, pinny, if you don't have gnome
[11:55] <KaiL_> gnome-su and kdesu do the same
[11:55] <KaiL_> pv_: no
[11:55] <pinny> i do have gnome installed
[11:56] <KaiL_> if you try to run an X app as another user, you get "Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server"
[11:56] <Tm_T> :)
[11:56] <KaiL_> these rights are handled with xhost
[11:56] <smouche> hey Tm_T.
[11:56] <Tm_T> hi smouche 
[11:57] <pv_> I know, but usually XAUTHORITY is set, and root has a read permission to it => permissions to X are no problem.
[11:57] <pinny> ls
[11:57] <KaiL_> pv_: really? never worked that way for me
[11:58] <whiskey_2> ojw_, i don't know why in the hell they made GNU Star Wars with .wav files...this is a real pain
[11:58] <KaiL_> maybe that's because most parts of this system where a sarge 
[11:58] <KaiL_> before they where a woody and before a potato :)
[11:59] <Anlar> debian stable still is woody.
[11:59] <pv_> Difficult to say, xauth is a sort of black magick... ("xauth list" shows a number of auth cookies => which one is the current one?)
[11:59] <whiskey_2> ojw_, people keep using that MS shit...and causing many incompatibility problems with linux
[11:59] <Anlar> so if you ever get any problems with newer, it's your fault.
[12:00] <ojw_> wav files are perfectly standard, and very simple to read