[12:07] <z3k3> anyone here yet?
[12:07] <z3k3> :)
[01:05] <z3k3> ?
[01:21] <z3k3_pheonix> hello anyone here?
[01:24] <z3k3_pheonix> Anyhow, when someone comes online, I'm wondering if there is a howto for patching in the debian-pre1-2.6.11.91 into the 2.6.11 source and compiling?  I really want to help bug testing, but just need a hand with some of the basics.
[01:24] <z3k3_pheonix> thanks in advance!
[01:26] <z3k3_pheonix> fyi: i followed the instructions at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KernelBazNotes, apt-get source linux-kernel-2.6.11, I'm just not sure how to merge the baz archive into the kernel source. 
[01:26] <z3k3_pheonix> :)
[01:27] <fabbione> that's not the rigth thing to do
[01:28] <z3k3_pheonix> where am I going wrong?
[01:28] <fabbione> 2.6.11 in the archive is not supported and there is no baz archive for it
[01:28] <fabbione> 2.6.11.91 needs an orig that is not being published yet
[01:28] <z3k3_pheonix> btw: this is Chris Fazekas I just signed up to the devel list. :)
[01:29] <dilinger> heh, i wonder how slow hct would be for kernel patches
[01:29] <fabbione> dilinger: i did put a requirement to have the kernel in hct/baz :)
[01:29] <z3k3_pheonix> if 2.6.11.91 is not being published, what is the most current kernel on baz for "testing"?
[01:30] <dilinger> fabbione: nice
[01:30] <fabbione> z3k3_pheonix: sorry i am behind with the mailing list
[01:30] <fabbione> z3k3_pheonix: that is the most crackful kernel you can run atm
[01:30] <jbailey> dilinger: How many kernel patches do you guys have?
[01:30] <jbailey> dilinger: I think one of his test cases was glibc with 90 odd patches.
[01:30] <dilinger> a lot?
[01:30] <fabbione> but if it is not uploaded in the archive it means that it is really unstable
[01:30] <fabbione> jbailey: around 50?
[01:31] <dilinger> i had 150 patches for 2.6.10-as
[01:31] <jbailey> So in the same ballpark anyway - speaks well for it holding up.
[01:31] <dilinger> and then debian and ubuntu had patches on top of that
[01:31] <fabbione> dilinger: i drop a lot of them with rm stolen-*
[01:31] <z3k3_pheonix> fabbione: I would like to attempt to compile 2.6.11.91.  I am currently running 2.6.10-5-386 
[01:32] <z3k3_pheonix> I have a new CPU that needs a workout!
[01:32] <fabbione> z3k3_pheonix: i am not happy to give out that kind of crack just for compilation. If you are interested in real testing good, but you need to be ready to deal with real breakage
[01:32] <fabbione> i know it compiles :)
[01:32] <fabbione> bbl
[01:32] <z3k3_pheonix> lol, I'm interested in real breakage. :)  I like carnage.
[01:33] <z3k3_pheonix> I want to start by getting bleeding, then work on adding some patches to fix some issues with new devices
[01:33] <z3k3_pheonix> i need to learn, and just need a little push in the right direction.
[01:34] <fabbione> z3k3_pheonix: ok.. right now we are all busy at the conference in australia. we will be back on monday/tuesday :)
[01:34] <fabbione> nothing personal. we are just really busy
[01:36] <z3k3_pheonix> i completely understand.  enjoy the conference, I look forward to helping when the time is right.  :)
[01:59] <zul> well not all of us is in australia
[02:00] <zul> but hey you conference people
[02:10] <cc> howdy ho. go conference
[02:36] <fabbione> hey zul
[02:36] <fabbione> hi cc
[02:36] <zul> hey fabbione how goes it?
[02:36] <fabbione> i am tired to death.. jetlag is killing me
[02:37] <zul> doh...you should have left earlier then :)
[02:37] <fabbione> http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/LinuxKernelRoadmap
[02:37] <fabbione> this is the draft for the kernel we are working with atm
[02:37] <zul> its been updated since yesterday?
[02:37] <fabbione> we will have it finalized soon
[02:37] <cc> hi fabbione 
[02:37] <cc> that'll be soon
[02:37] <fabbione> guys: don't edit it right away
[02:38] <fabbione> we need to get it finalized
[02:38] <fabbione> or otherwise do it right now
[02:38] <fabbione> because i am going to review it with doko in 10 minutes
[02:38] <fabbione> and push it for approval
[02:38] <cc> fabbione: well, one of you need to rock up here and come get it reviewerd
[02:38] <cc> reviewed i mean
[02:38] <cc> it doesnt go for approval till its an EditedSpecification
[02:39] <fabbione> cc: we are going to do the final review in 10 minutes
[02:39] <zul> xen and uml out of the box isnt that a bit overkill?
[02:39] <cc> fabbione: ok. then come here to sublime 3 and get it checked
[02:39] <cc> uml should die?!? xen currently only works with 2.6.11 btw
[02:39] <fabbione> cc: yes.. that's what we need to do :)
[02:39] <fabbione> cc: i didn't realize you were one of the techwriter :)
[02:39] <cc> fabbione: yeah, lucky me. 
[02:40] <fabbione> cc: we need to add only a timeline to it
[02:40] <zul> fabbione: did you have a look at that url i sent you, the third party drivers list?
[02:40] <fabbione> so that we can set some kind of deadlines
[02:40] <fabbione> zul: where? 
[02:40] <fabbione> i haven't been on irc much
[02:40] <zul> i think i pm you it this morning or something
[02:40] <fabbione> can you paste it again?
[02:40] <zul> sure...gimme a sec
[02:41] <zul> its mandrake's but we could something similar in the wiki http://mandrake.contactel.cz/people/svetljo/mandrake/kernel/3rdparty_drivers.html
[02:41] <cc> intro/rationale needs to be updated
[02:42] <zul> bk snapshot should git snapshot ;)
[02:42] <fabbione> cc: that hasnt been touched at all..
[02:42] <fabbione> zul: the agenda is what has been discussed. the list above it is the outcome
[02:42] <cc> why gcc3.4 ? gcc4 builds the kernel, just fine i'm sure. i'm running a gcc4 built 2.6.12 kernel now
[02:42] <fabbione> cc: no it doesn't
[02:42] <zul> ah ok
[02:42] <cc> fabbione: works on fedora!
[02:43] <fabbione> cc: dude.. i am telling you that it doesn't... 
[02:43] <fabbione> cc: not everything we havein  our kenrel is gcc-4 ready
[02:43] <zul> cc: gcc4 doesn work yet
[02:43] <zul> with our kernel at least
[02:43] <fabbione> also gcc-4 miscompile some partsof the kernel still
[02:43] <fabbione> so it might run if you are lucky
[02:44] <cc> fabbione: i haven't looked at ubuntu's kernel (are there extra patches?)
[02:44] <cc> qemu isn't gcc-4 ready, that i'm sure of
[02:44] <fabbione> cc: yes. plenty of external patches
[02:44] <cc> fabbione: ah, okay, thats a problem then... 
[02:44] <fabbione> ok we are going to review the last bits
[02:44] <fabbione> bbl
[02:44] <zul> ok
[02:45] <z3k3_pheonix> zul are you still around?
[02:45] <zul> kind of
[02:46] <z3k3_pheonix> i'm trying to add in a dpatch, keeps giving a ... failed during compile.. think i could give you some info and you could give me a hand?
[02:47] <zul> sure
[02:47] <z3k3_pheonix> k I grabbed the patch from here
[02:47] <z3k3_pheonix> http://lkml.org/lkml/2005/2/7/117
[02:47] <z3k3_pheonix> added it into a vt6410.patch file.
[02:47] <zul> okie dokie
[02:47] <z3k3_pheonix> ran something like this
[02:47] <z3k3_pheonix> dpatch patch-template -p "via-vt-6410" "VIA VT6410 IDE RAID Controller without raid functionality" < VT6410.2611.patch > debian/patches/VT6410.dpatch
[02:48] <zul> yeah im working on the same patch right now..its conflicting with an earlier patch
[02:48] <z3k3_pheonix> lol.. where does dpkg dump the errs in more detail?
[02:48] <z3k3_pheonix> applying patch VT6410 to ./ ... failed.
[02:48] <z3k3_pheonix> is kinda vague
[02:48] <zul> debian/patched/<name of patch>.dpatch.failed
[02:49] <zul> its failing because of this patch --> drivers-ide_make-drivers-as-modules
[02:49] <z3k3_pheonix> because it offsets it?
[02:49] <zul> because it modifies the viac8xx.c file
[02:50] <zul> so you have to get a clean source add the patch to the origin and re-diff
[02:50] <z3k3_pheonix> ok, will dl 2.6.11 source now from kernel.org
[02:50] <zul> dont..
[02:50] <z3k3_pheonix> ?
[02:50] <zul> we arent using 2.6.11
[02:51] <zul> http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~fabbione
[02:51] <z3k3_pheonix> oh, what are you using now?
[02:51] <z3k3_pheonix> woah, so were working on 2.6.12 now?
[02:51] <z3k3_pheonix> i'm kinda new to this.. 
[02:51] <zul> there is a linux-kernel* there...that is what we are using
[02:52] <zul> but now i have to go spend time with my wife bbl
[02:52] <z3k3_pheonix> ok.  b4 u go.  should I still make a clean diff from the 2.6.12 off linux.org?
[02:52] <z3k3_pheonix> or am I way off base
[02:52] <z3k3_pheonix> :)
[02:52] <zul> way off base..
[02:52] <z3k3_pheonix> ha ha
[02:53] <z3k3_pheonix> ok then.. have fun
[02:53] <zul> what you do is the following..
[02:53] <zul> 1. Download the files
[02:53] <zul> 2. dpkg-soruce -x linux-source-2.6.12_2.6.11.91-1.dsc
[02:53] <zul> 3. cd linux-source-2.6.11-2.6.11.91 
[02:53] <zul> 4. rm -rf debian
[02:54] <zul> 5. baz get kernel-team@ubuntu.com--2005/kernel-debian--pre1--2.6.11.91 
[02:54] <zul> fini
[02:54] <zul> ...i had to learn the hard way...*smack* fabbione 
[02:54] <zul> bbl
[02:54] <z3k3_pheonix> k.. thanks.. chow
[03:31] <fabbione> cc: is tfheen up there?
[03:32] <cc> fabbione: no, he isn't in this room
[03:32] <fabbione> cc: thanks
[03:33] <cc> fabbione: kernel thing still being edited?
[03:39] <fabbione> cc: no. that spurious medium priority in the middle of the page was a wrong copy/paster
[03:39] <fabbione> cc: go ahead and let me know
[03:39] <cc> fabbione: ok, will rea dit soonish
[03:40] <fabbione> cc: ok thanks
[03:40] <fabbione> et/iptraf_2.7.0-7 by sparcbuildd [optional:out-of-date] 
[03:40] <fabbione> net/krb5_1.3.6-3 by sparcbuildd [optional:out-of-date] 
[03:40] <fabbione> net/tspc_2.1.1-4.1 by sparcbuildd [optional:out-of-date] 
[03:40] <fabbione> mail/enigmail_2:0.91-3 by sparcbuildd [optional:out-of-date] 
[03:40] <fabbione> mail/evolution_2.2.2-0ubuntu1 by sparcbuildd [optional:out-of-date] 
[03:41] <z3k3_pheonix> lol
[03:41] <fabbione> ops
[03:41] <fabbione> sorry
[03:41] <z3k3_pheonix> flooder
[03:41] <z3k3_pheonix> lol
[03:56] <z3k3_pheonix> zul: are you still away?
[04:00] <zul> yep
[04:00] <z3k3_pheonix> ok
[04:01] <z3k3_pheonix> i made a new diff, not sure if it works, cuse I cant figure out how to compile now with the .91 stuff..
[04:01] <z3k3_pheonix> you want the new patch?
[04:02] <zul> sure..
[04:02] <zul> just send me a link to where i can get it
[04:02] <z3k3_pheonix> ok 1 min
[04:03] <z3k3_pheonix> http://www.fazekas.net/via-vt6410.new.patch
[04:04] <z3k3_pheonix> in your list of steps.. could you tell me what step 6 and 7... are?  when i do the baz get, it makes a folder, but from there I'm stumped, do i recreate the debian folder, copy the patches in there and then re-compile?
[04:05] <z3k3_pheonix> err.. compile
[04:05] <zul> oops...should be baz get kernel-team@ubuntu.com--2005/kernel-debian--pre1--2.6.11.91 debian
[04:06] <z3k3_pheonix> ahh. that makes more sense.. :)
[04:07] <z3k3_pheonix> next patch I'll be working on is http://seclists.org/lists/linux-kernel/2005/Apr/0339.html
[04:07] <z3k3_pheonix> thats if it hasn't been done already
[04:09] <fabbione> cc: did you review the LinuxKenrelRoadMap?
[04:09] <zul> fabbione: its final now?
[04:09] <fabbione> yeah
[04:09] <fabbione> but not approved yet
[04:10] <cc> fabbione: do you need another BOF for it?
[04:10] <fabbione> cc: no we have done
[04:10] <cc> fabbione: ok, rocking
[04:10] <fabbione> cc: do you want me to come next room and lart you a bit?
[04:10] <fabbione> :)
[04:10] <cc> how many sessions have you had btw?
[04:10] <cc> only 1?
[04:10] <zul> i pay to see that
[04:10] <fabbione> 2 discussion sessions, 1 for compliting the draft
[04:11] <fabbione> completing
[04:11] <cc> ok, cool
[04:11] <zul> i remember seeing a patch called lowmem for 386 i thought i saved it
[04:11] <fabbione> cc: i am on the way to your room so we can review them together, ok?
[04:11] <cc> fabbione: EditedSpecification
[04:12] <cc> fabbione: it looks sane. goals are achievable. i didn't know that there was no SMP support out-of-the-box
[04:12] <fabbione> cc: approved from you*? :)
[04:12] <fabbione> cc: ok
[04:12] <fabbione> cool
[04:12] <cc> fabbione: i can't do ApprovedSpecification (thats for mark or mdz to do)
[04:12] <fabbione> cc: http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/Xen
[04:12] <zul> fabbione: ++ looks reasonable
[04:12] <cc> fabbione: i've added myself to being Interested i think, but I can't come to the BOFs :(
[04:13] <fabbione> ok guys...
[04:13] <fabbione> i am off to go downstairs
[04:14] <zul> talk to you later if im still awake
[04:14] <z3k3_pheonix> zul, my patch failed.
[04:14] <zul> z3k3_pheonix: i know :) its gotta do with a previous patch...guess which one :)
[04:15] <z3k3_pheonix> the ide_make one again?
[04:15] <zul> or find out why it did
[04:15] <cc> erps, its in my queue. gonna look at ti now
[04:15] <cc> fabbione: no more xen sessions?
[04:16] <z3k3_pheonix> zul: my dpatch.failed doesn't specifically say why.. just that hunk failed at 79, 617, and 1388.
[04:16] <z3k3_pheonix> zul: how are you knowing that it is the previous patch that kills it?
[04:17] <zul> z3k3_pheonix: ok now you have to hunt down why it failed
[04:17] <z3k3_pheonix> zul: I would.. but not sure how to :(
[04:18] <zul> z3k3_pheonix: well you can use grep to look through the ide stuff
[04:18] <z3k3_pheonix> ah, ok, for other patches that modify the via82
[04:19] <zul> yep
[04:19] <z3k3_pheonix> so I may have to manually add that previous patch to the via82, then add my patch, and do a diff again?
[04:19] <zul> basically thats one way to do it
[04:22] <zul> fabbione: you have email
[04:23] <fabbione> zul: checking
[04:24] <fabbione> zul: However, it reduces the virtual memory
[04:24] <fabbione> +  space of user-space processes from 3GB to 2.75GB, and that may break
[04:24] <fabbione> +  some applications.
[04:24] <fabbione> +
[04:24] <fabbione> NO NO NO NO
[04:24] <fabbione> we are going for normal HIGHMEM
[04:24] <zul> i didnt see that part
[04:24] <fabbione> also.. the same problem might apply to other arches too
[04:24] <zul> nm..
[04:26] <zul> ooh...im buying memory this weekend 
[04:27] <zul> $57 for 500 MB
[04:27] <z3k3_pheonix> DDR1?
[04:27] <zul> think so
[04:27] <z3k3_pheonix> not bad!  I just bought 2 x 512 DDR1 for $53.00 each CDN
[04:27] <z3k3_pheonix> :)
[04:28] <zul> where in canada are you?
[04:28] <z3k3_pheonix> North Bay Ontario
[04:28] <z3k3_pheonix> eh
[04:28] <zul> hehe..
[04:28] <zul> one of my friends at work is from there..
[04:28] <z3k3_pheonix> small world.
[04:28] <zul> do they still have that strip club by the bible store? 
[04:29] <z3k3_pheonix> I think the bible store moved
[04:29] <z3k3_pheonix> Fannys
[04:29] <z3k3_pheonix> lol
[04:30] <zul> oh yeah the baycom_epp barfs on gcc4
[04:34] <z3k3_pheonix> ot question: do you know how to disable the "beep" when using terminal without unplugging the speaker from the mobo?
[04:34] <z3k3_pheonix> gonna rip it out soon.
[04:34] <zul> xset -b in a terminal
[04:35] <z3k3_pheonix> is that permenant or do I have to do it every time I open a term?
[04:35] <zul> nah...you can put it in a file i forget which atm
[04:35] <z3k3_pheonix> ok cool.
[04:35] <z3k3_pheonix> thx
[04:35] <z3k3_pheonix> headache is already subsiding
[04:48] <z3k3_pheonix> dang, i manually patched the via92 with a hack of that ide thing, then manually added the changes, re-diffed, and got same error... time to give up for the night!
[05:14] <zul> night guys
[06:56] <cc> dilinger: ok, so do you have grand plans of changing the spec anymore?
[06:57] <cc> dilinger: in your queue now; do fix it up if need be, and poke again (then we can move it to editedspec)
[08:04] <dilinger> cc: yes
[10:30] <dilinger> cc: ok, BootLogd pushed your way
[10:31] <cc> dilinger: joy, thanks
[10:35] <dilinger> you sounded bored
[10:39] <cc> dilinger: haha. i get far too many specs to review each hour
[10:47] <cc> fabbione: ClusterFilesystems - is there going to be another bof? how many have you already had?
[10:54] <dilinger> i would've shown up for that if i didn't have other stuff
[07:49] <Z3K3_work> zul, you around?
[09:22] <zul> not really am at work right now
[09:33] <Z3K3_work> zul: did you figure out that vt6410? or should I keep working on it tonight?
[09:48] <zul> Z3K3_work: yeah applies cleanly its in my tree right now