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\shAmaranth: hehe..but now it works :)12:03
\shi applied a couple of third party patches and now kconfigskeleton can deal with bool,ints etc,12:04
Amaranthit'll all break again soon12:04
Amaranthgcc4 :P12:04
\shAmaranth: well..:) before I try to compile sip/pyqt/pykde, kde itself must compile with gcc4 and right now, it's blacklisted ;)12:05
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AmaranthIf you don't have any warnings you don't have anything deprecated to break next release.12:13
\shwell, sometimes the upstream must have something to do :)12:14
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ajmitch_morning12:28
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tsengschweeb: *slap*12:54
schweebtseng: you are my bish12:55
ajmitch_hah12:55
tsengfalse12:55
tsengask whiprush12:55
schweebwhiprush is just a plain bish.12:56
schweeband you are my bish.12:56
tsengno way12:56
whiprushit's a circular bitch dependency12:56
schweebrofl12:56
tsengwait for it12:57
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dholbachhey01:08
ajmitch_morning dholbach01:10
dholbachhey ajmitch_01:13
schweebdholbach: make sure whiprush comes home with a Ubuntu shirt for me :)01:43
schweebthis is the task I place on you, oh great MOTU01:43
dholbachschweeb: what size are you?01:46
schweebdholbach: Large01:46
schweebor XL, if they're kinda small tshirts01:46
schweeb(dunno how the euro sizes work or anything)01:47
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thomschweeb: we are not in teh eurozone :-)01:48
thom(and australians are pretty good at blindly copying yanks ;-) )01:49
schweebyea, but you're at .uk's former prison colony :p01:49
schweebI suggest you withold whiprush's membership status until I get a t-shirt :)01:50
thomhahah01:50
schweebwhich, I should probably have my status, if there were ever another CC meeting ;)01:50
schweebI'm guessing it'll be another 2 wks after UdU is over for the next one, now01:51
schweebhrm... think I'll start hackin around on breezy tomorrow... done w/ the old job, have a few days off before the new job01:52
thombreezy is pretty scary right now :-)01:53
schweebindeed, I have a few buddies that upgraded01:53
schweebif I didn't have spare time, I wouldn't even consider it for the next 2 or 3 weeks after UdU, as I'm sure things will go NUTS01:54
schweebbut, I fully support Grumpy, so I'm obviously a fan of crack01:54
tsenggrumpy is evil01:59
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Unfrgivengrumpy is likely going to result in the number of bugs in bugzilla to blowout02:22
ajmitch_grumpy is sweet crack02:26
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dholbachtritium: hey michael02:31
tritiumdholbach, hey Daniel :)02:31
tritiumWhat's going on?02:31
dholbachjust finished the edubuntu bof :-)02:32
tritiumedubuntu?02:32
tritiumubuntu in education?02:32
dholbachyes02:33
tritiumawesome!02:33
dholbachnow i'll have a bof with mvo02:33
dholbachsee you02:33
tritiumsee you :)02:33
ajmitch_02:55
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jaldharRiddell: ping03:10
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ajmitch_hey bddebian03:37
tsengajmitch_: crack03:37
tsengajmitch_: pure crack.03:37
ajmitch_tseng: how good is that crack?03:37
bddebianHeya ajmitch!03:37
tsenghey dudes.03:37
bddebianHello tseng03:37
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ajmitch_wb fabbione :)03:42
bddebianajmitch_: Are you at UDU?03:43
Riddelljaldhar: yo03:45
ajmitch_bddebian: sure03:45
bddebianajmitch_: Sure?03:46
bddebianjaldhar is here?03:46
jaldharRiddell: I'm involved in packaging yast for debian.  Is this sometinhg kubuntu would be interested in?03:46
jaldharbddebian: yes03:46
ajmitch_bddebian: sure, I'm at UDU03:46
ajmitch_:P03:46
d3vic3jaldhar, issint yast specific to SuSe, I mean license wise ?03:47
jaldhard3vic3: not anyomore.  It is GPL as of 9.203:48
bddebianajmitch_: Is that sarcasm?03:48
d3vic3jaldhar, sweet03:48
d3vic3but then, it configures everything system wide? will it be apt-get/dpkg-* compatible then ?03:49
ajmitch_bddebian03:49
ajmitch_no, it's a statement of fact03:49
bddebianajmitch_: Ahh.  How is it?03:50
jaldhard3vic3: eventually though we still have a long way to go03:50
d3vic3jaldhar, i can imagine03:50
jaldharSee: http://yast4debian.alioth.debian.org/03:51
d3vic3I can give a helping hand, I'm an ex suse user (prev company)03:51
jaldhard3vic3: fnat would be great03:52
jaldhars/fnat/that/03:52
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dholbachjaldhar, d3vic3: could you talk with Kamion about this? i think he would like to hear about it althought i assume he wouldn't approve of it04:06
d3vic3sure04:07
jaldhardholbach: ok.  the only drawback I see is there is no equivalent GNOME ui for it (though there is a curses one.)04:09
dholbachjaldhar: i assume adjusting it to the needs of the ubuntu/debian world is more work than a proper new interface04:11
Riddelljaldhar: sounds very insteresting04:11
Riddelljaldhar: do you have anything available currently?04:11
jaldharRiddell: a very basic version (i.e. it starts up without crashing) is available.  More is working but I haven't packaged it yet.  in a day or two I hope04:13
jaldharSee: http://yast4debian.alioth.debian.org/ especially the FAQ for details on the apt source04:13
Riddelljaldhar: cool, I'll try and check it out, keep us updated too04:13
Riddelljaldhar: we are going to have to start looking for configuration tools for the next kubuntu soon04:14
jaldharRiddell: what kind of timeframe is soon?04:14
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bddebianheh04:15
jaldhardholbach: the major work will be in fixing the location of files, becoming debian policy compliant etc.04:15
dholbachit should be completely coordinated with the guys from "main"04:16
d3vic3probably04:16
amuhehe04:16
Riddelljaldhar: well next release is in 5 months04:16
Riddelljaldhar: but we'll need to look at configurations tools pretty soon like in the next month I guess04:17
jaldharRiddell: we hope to have everything basically working by then04:17
jaldharRiddell: btw I will be applying to be a MOTU soon as soon as I can spare some time to backup this laptop and install kubuntu on it04:18
dholbachcould you take the conversation to #ubuntu-devel04:18
dholbachi'm sure they want to hear about it04:19
d3vic3true04:19
jaldhardholbach: ok I'll do that after I've finished the next round of packaging so there is actually something worth looking at.  I just wanted to get an initial reaction for now04:20
Riddelljaldhar: sign up athttp://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MOTUKDE04:20
jaldharRiddell: will do04:21
ajmitch_ogra: yast?! what crack is this?04:21
dholbachjaldhar: i really encourage you to work with us, but to be honest, i'm not very confident in yast in ubuntu, but that's just my opinion04:21
tsengbuh.04:21
ograajmitch_, www.suse.com ;)04:22
ajmitch_ogra: yes, I've seen that..04:23
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d3vic3ajmitch_, Zope BOF is on05:10
ajmitch_d3vic3: I thought that was this afternoon?05:24
tsengwhere is ajmitch_06:39
ajmitch_ajmitch is upstairs @ the zope BOF06:41
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tsengok06:42
tsengim at drafting for selinux06:42
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ajmitch_tseng: come & visit me in vibe out if you want to talk in person07:13
tsengok.07:13
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tsengschweeb schweeb schweeb schweeb schweeb schweeb09:35
blueyedschweeb09:39
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GheRiverores10:06
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ajmitch_d3vic3: we're down in forum, if you want to join us11:36
tsengajmitch_: he doesnt.11:36
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tsengvibe the fuck out.11:37
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\shmorninh11:55
\sh-h+g11:55
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\shhttp://www.airbus.com/A380/seeing/indexminisite.aspx first flight of the A38001:34
TreenaksI want one for my next birthday!01:34
\shme too :)01:36
\shand I patched my pykde so it's working as expected...01:36
\shnow i can go and change the packages01:36
Treenakspykde.. *shudder*01:37
\shwhy=01:38
\sh?01:38
\shanyways...coffee :)01:39
\shand shower01:39
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\shhey dholbach02:58
dholbachhey \sh02:59
\shhow r u? :)02:59
dholbachbusy :-)02:59
\shhehe :)03:00
\shdid u or anyone else make some videos from the conf?03:00
dholbachdont think so03:01
\shthats bad ;)03:10
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kokeI have one of the Sydney opera house, but only with spanish ppl03:12
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tritiumGood morning.03:42
truluxtritium: hey! :)03:44
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tritiumHey trulux :)03:44
truluxtritium: howya?03:46
tritiumtrulux, busy but good.  You?03:46
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truluxTreenaks: same, too busy with school, good (though not really good ...), jus preparing things for German class03:49
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Treenakstrulux: itym tritium03:51
truluxTreenaks: oh, right, It took time for me to get the joke *grin*03:52
tritium:)03:55
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tritiumMorning, ogra04:02
ograhey tritium04:02
dholbachhey tritium04:04
dholbachogra: where are you hanging out?04:04
tritiumHey dholbach :)04:04
ogra2nd floor04:04
tseng2nd floor sublime?04:04
ograin the corridor04:07
tsenglame04:07
tritiumI'm on the 2nd floor too ;)04:07
ograon the sofas04:07
ogratritium, wrong continent ;)04:08
tritiumogra, dang :(04:08
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tritiumI'll join you guys in spirit, by crawling "down under" my desk.04:23
truluxtritium: haha :)04:26
ogradholbach, coming downstrairs for a smoke now04:30
dholbachogra: ROCK04:30
Treenakscrack rock?04:30
\shhey ogra04:33
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bddebianHello04:34
tritiumhello bddebian04:34
bddebianHeya Boilermaker / Fightin' Irish.. ;-P04:35
tritium:)04:35
\shgrmpf normally i have free today04:37
\shbut those guys from nagra, they screwing everythin04:37
tritiumnagra?04:37
\shdtv crypto system04:38
tritiumI see04:38
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\shso..one last cigarette and then getting ready to rumble ;)04:39
Treenaks\sh: firing squad etc.04:39
\shok...leaving cu later guys04:43
tritiumme too...se you all later.04:58
tritiumsee04:58
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dholbachgood night!05:00
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Unfrgivencan anyone give me a hand with dpatch?06:02
Unfrgiveni have created a patch called 01blah.dpatch. i have a file called 00list with "01blah" in it. but the patch doesnt seem to be applied. any ideas? what am i doing wrong?06:03
truluxtry to rename it to 01_blach.dpatch06:04
Unfrgiventrulux: ok trying it now.06:05
Unfrgivendoes pbuilder give any indication that it is running dpatch?06:06
Unfrgiventrulux: didnt work :(06:10
truluxUnfrgiven: ... have you read the developer reference?06:12
Unfrgiventrulux: no i havent06:12
Unfrgiventrulux: i guess i should06:12
Unfrgiventrulux: i thought that it was outdated and the one to read was new maintainers guide06:13
truluxyes, I think so, but I'm not an expert on packaging (yet ;P )06:13
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schweebtseng: ?06:55
schweeball you freakin people in .au, trying to ping me at 3:30 am @_@06:56
truluxschweeb: better, all you freakin' people at .au having fun in the beach, talking to the Ubuntu fellows and drinking .au beer together, trying to make me committing suicide 'cos I'm not there!?07:09
schweebthat too07:10
AstralJavaHehe, was it today's or yesterday's UF's daily strip, that said "All Fosters is shipped overseas, but I can see if guys can find you something similar from the sump...".07:12
AstralJavaMight not be too jealous after all...07:12
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hervehello07:52
bddebianHello herve07:55
AstralJavaHi herve.07:56
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herveif you're wondering about unicode and encodings, there is this excellent article: http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/Unicode.html08:44
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tarzeauhow to get software into ubuntu ?09:09
bddebianHeya tarzeau09:10
tarzeaubddebian: omg please tell me you don't use ubuntu09:11
tritiumtarzeau, this is a good starting place: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MOTUGettingIntoIt09:11
bddebiantarzeau: Why?09:11
tarzeauoh i need to be on irc to get packages into ubuntu?09:11
tritiumwell, you'll need to coordinate with others to get your packages reviewed and eventually approved09:12
tarzeaubddebian: have you lately played w/ plan9?09:13
bddebiantarzeau: No, haven't seen it.  I was supposed to see the talk about it at FOSDEM but they were running so far behind that I missed it. :-(09:13
tritiumtarzeau, which software?09:15
tarzeautritium: www.linuks.mine.nu/debian/supertransball2/09:15
tritiumare those package you build yourself?09:16
tarzeauyes09:16
tritiumtarzeau, you could review the MOTU process, and consider getting involved.  If you want to pursue it, request a package review.  Some changes would be necessary (e.g. ubuntu version number, etc.)09:17
tarzeautritium: ah ok, thanks09:18
tarzeauno i don't really feel like it, rather go play that and nethack some more09:18
tarzeaubddebian: hurd, right?09:18
bddebiantarzeau: Of course, what else is there? :-)09:19
tarzeaubddebian: gnu-kbsd ?  i run OPENSTEP (Mach ;)09:19
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Gagatang'evening09:19
tarzeaubddebian: it's just confusing me to see you here09:20
GagatanI'm maintaining a couple of packages in debian.. and I've applied for motu.. I'd like to have updated packages in ubuntu as well as debian.. what's the next step?09:20
GagatanI'm not DD as I have 2 DDs sponsoring my current packages09:21
bddebiantarzeau: Why?  I was trying to become a DD but I am questioning that decision so I came here. :-)09:21
hervetarzeau, strange, your diff.gz has DOS end of lines :-)09:21
tarzeauherve: because upstream hs DOS end of lines09:22
hervetarzeau, *fear* :-)09:22
tarzeauherve: that stuff is developed on dos you know (well windows nowadays)09:22
tarzeaui have nother: http://gnu.ethz.ch/debian/ocp/09:22
tarzeauand one more game too!09:22
tarzeauGagatan: which packages you do?09:22
hervetarzeau, you've done the diff.gz yourself?09:23
herveI mean the changes09:23
tarzeaubddebian: haha, i would love a @gnu.org one09:23
tarzeauherve: yes09:23
tarzeauherve: why do you guys ask so strange questions?09:23
tarzeauif i do the stuff myself? who else, my mom?09:23
hervetarzeau, you should really consider using dpatch09:23
bddebiantarzeau: A gnu.org what?09:24
hervetarzeau, you could work with other people/upstream, etc.09:24
tarzeauherve: it's up to the maintainer what he uses09:24
tarzeauherve: i have talked with these upstreams, and chosen to do it how it is now09:24
herveit's up to you to ease your reviewer's and upstream's life ;-)09:24
tarzeaui have my reasons. if you really want, i can explain them to you09:24
Gagatantarzeau: luma,pyrad and python-smbpasswd09:25
hervetarzeau, I'm not considering your changes but how to review and maintain them09:25
tarzeaunothing hard to review here, is there?09:25
tarzeauherve: look into the diff.gz and review it?09:25
hervein short, we have better tools than modifying the source code itself09:25
tritiumtarzeau, lintian checks, etc. as well09:25
hervetarzeau, I can't get why you did those changes and the consequences09:26
tarzeautritium: i use lintian09:26
tarzeauherve: which exactly?09:26
Gagatantarzeau: quite simple packages.. I'm also co-developing luma.. all packages lintian-clean upon upload to d.unstable09:26
tritiumtarzeau, that's fine.  Nevertheless, you'll want to work cooperatively with whoever reviews your packages.09:26
hervetarzeau, the whole, it's just a 844 lines diff for me09:26
tarzeautritium: true09:26
tarzeautritium: but if i will do this longterm is a question that is unanswered, because keeping stuff in debian, will likely get them in all forks of debian09:27
tritiumtarzeau, I guess that is a question only you can decide09:28
Gagatanwell.. I'm gonna hunt some food.. I'd really appreciate if someone could give me a hint on the next step of becoming motu (other than wait)09:33
herveGagatan, what's your current state?09:33
Gagatanherve: applied on the webpage.. and tried asking here a while ago, but no reply09:33
herveGagatan, applied to be a MOTU? I'm afraid you forgot some steps...09:34
tritiumGagatan, you read the wiki page?09:34
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bddebianWhat if I'm stupid but want to become an MOTU?? :-)09:38
Gagatantritium: at least I thought so at the time.. ;) I'm on the list of candidates.. next step is get a signed gpg key to sign the Code of Conduct?09:39
hervebddebian, stupid people can help ubuntu too ;-)09:39
tritiumGagatan, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MOTUGettingIntoIt09:39
herveGagatan, you don't need a trusted key for signing the CoC but it won't be enough for uploading packages on your own09:39
tritiumbddebian, you're not, though09:39
herveGagatan, note you need to be a member at first09:40
hervewhich is quite easy09:40
bddebianherve: How so? :-)09:44
bddebiantritium: How would you know? :-)09:44
tritiumbddebian, because you're a smart guy09:45
bddebiantritium: Well don't go pull my records from Purdue then.. ;-P09:45
tritiumbddebian, lol, okay ;)09:46
hervebddebian, providing usability tests :-)09:46
hervePurdue is a school?09:47
tritiumherve, yes, a University (known for engineering)09:47
tritiumdropped a few spots to 10th: http://www.usnews.com/usnews/edu/grad/rankings/eng/brief/engrank_brief.php09:50
bddebian :-(09:52
hervebddebian, then, if you saw my own records... -:)09:52
tritiumbddebian, imho, GPA is not a sufficient statistic09:53
tritiumSo don't be so down about it.09:54
bddebiantritium: Oh I could care less about GPA, I'm just still not so bright.. ;-P09:56
bddebianFor example, I'm about to go have a cigarette, knowing full well that it is killing me.. ;-)09:56
tritiumwell, everyone shines brightly in their own way09:56
hervebddebian, how can you look yourself in a mirror afterwards?! ;-)09:57
tritiumbddebian, you can always stop09:58
bddebianNah, if I stop I'll start drinking heavily. :-)09:59
blueyedAre there know problems with ppp on breezy? Actually (since the last update of "ppp" (on 24th) I have to run "sudo pppoeconf" after each reboot).09:59
blueyeds/know/known/09:59
truluxherve: hey10:06
truluxtritium: talking about Purdue? :)10:07
tritiumtrulux, we were, yes10:07
Gagatanherve: heh.. now I see :)  I'll go see if I can help out somewhere :-)10:08
hervehi trulux10:14
truluxherve: bbl, dinner, then I'll talk to you on the packages10:18
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hervetrulux, too late for tonight :-p10:18
herveby the way10:18
hervegood night all!10:19
siretarthi there10:19
siretartdoes anyone has experience with packaging python apps with cdbs? I want to change the bindir prefix. is this possible?10:20
siretartI don't know distutils very well :(10:20
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\shre10:44
siretarthi \sh10:46
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tritium"re" still puzzles me...10:49
siretarttritium: its short for "Hi, I've returned"10:51
tritiumsiretart, ah, taken from "returned"?  Thanks...10:51
siretartjupp10:51
tritium:)10:51
siretart:)10:51
siretartI'm packaging a game in python10:52
siretartthe distutils is installing the scripts in /usr/bin, policy wants them in /usr/games10:52
siretartand I'm using cdbs with python module. what would you recommend to "fix" my problem?10:52
tritiumsiretart, have you checked the cdbs tutorial?10:53
siretartyes, but havn't found something applicable10:53
tritiumhttps://wiki.duckcorp.org/DebianPackagingTutorial_2fCDBS10:53
tritiumWow, that looks new...10:53
tritiumlooks like my bookmark is outdated10:54
siretartI could give distutils options, but now I'm at the docu of them, and I cannot find anything else than --prefix for setting paths..10:54
tritiumwhat about DEB_PYTHON_INSTALL_ARGS_ALL ?10:55
siretartyeah, there I could say things like --force, but what should I say for manipulating the dir for scripts only?10:56
siretartas said, I don't know distutils very well10:56
tritiumnot sure, siretart10:57
\shhttp://kdelook.org/content/show.php?content=2347911:08
\shian|static: fantastic work :)11:08
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siretartah, found the option, but, how to give distutils setup.py a specific option to the install_scripts command?11:22
\shsiretart: there is a doc on python.org for this11:23
siretart\sh: yes, I have the manual already open :)11:24
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siretartyeah, found it in the distutil doku on python.org. thanks \sh!11:36
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