[12:03] <\sh> Amaranth: hehe..but now it works :)
[12:04] <\sh> i applied a couple of third party patches and now kconfigskeleton can deal with bool,ints etc,
[12:04] <Amaranth> it'll all break again soon
[12:04] <Amaranth> gcc4 :P
[12:05] <\sh> Amaranth: well..:) before I try to compile sip/pyqt/pykde, kde itself must compile with gcc4 and right now, it's blacklisted ;)
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[12:13] <Amaranth> If you don't have any warnings you don't have anything deprecated to break next release.
[12:14] <\sh> well, sometimes the upstream must have something to do :)
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[12:28] <ajmitch_> morning
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[12:54] <tseng> schweeb: *slap*
[12:55] <schweeb> tseng: you are my bish
[12:55] <ajmitch_> hah
[12:55] <tseng> false
[12:55] <tseng> ask whiprush
[12:56] <schweeb> whiprush is just a plain bish.
[12:56] <schweeb> and you are my bish.
[12:56] <tseng> no way
[12:56] <whiprush> it's a circular bitch dependency
[12:56] <schweeb> rofl
[12:57] <tseng> wait for it
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[01:08] <dholbach> hey
[01:10] <ajmitch_> morning dholbach
[01:13] <dholbach> hey ajmitch_
[01:43] <schweeb> dholbach: make sure whiprush comes home with a Ubuntu shirt for me :)
[01:43] <schweeb> this is the task I place on you, oh great MOTU
[01:46] <dholbach> schweeb: what size are you?
[01:46] <schweeb> dholbach: Large
[01:46] <schweeb> or XL, if they're kinda small tshirts
[01:47] <schweeb> (dunno how the euro sizes work or anything)
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[01:48] <thom> schweeb: we are not in teh eurozone :-)
[01:49] <thom> (and australians are pretty good at blindly copying yanks ;-) )
[01:49] <schweeb> yea, but you're at .uk's former prison colony :p
[01:50] <schweeb> I suggest you withold whiprush's membership status until I get a t-shirt :)
[01:50] <thom> hahah
[01:50] <schweeb> which, I should probably have my status, if there were ever another CC meeting ;)
[01:51] <schweeb> I'm guessing it'll be another 2 wks after UdU is over for the next one, now
[01:52] <schweeb> hrm... think I'll start hackin around on breezy tomorrow... done w/ the old job, have a few days off before the new job
[01:53] <thom> breezy is pretty scary right now :-)
[01:53] <schweeb> indeed, I have a few buddies that upgraded
[01:54] <schweeb> if I didn't have spare time, I wouldn't even consider it for the next 2 or 3 weeks after UdU, as I'm sure things will go NUTS
[01:54] <schweeb> but, I fully support Grumpy, so I'm obviously a fan of crack
[01:59] <tseng> grumpy is evil
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[02:22] <Unfrgiven> grumpy is likely going to result in the number of bugs in bugzilla to blowout
[02:26] <ajmitch_> grumpy is sweet crack
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[02:31] <dholbach> tritium: hey michael
[02:31] <tritium> dholbach, hey Daniel :)
[02:31] <tritium> What's going on?
[02:32] <dholbach> just finished the edubuntu bof :-)
[02:32] <tritium> edubuntu?
[02:32] <tritium> ubuntu in education?
[02:33] <dholbach> yes
[02:33] <tritium> awesome!
[02:33] <dholbach> now i'll have a bof with mvo
[02:33] <dholbach> see you
[02:33] <tritium> see you :)
[02:55] <ajmitch_> 
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[03:10] <jaldhar> Riddell: ping
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[03:37] <ajmitch_> hey bddebian
[03:37] <tseng> ajmitch_: crack
[03:37] <tseng> ajmitch_: pure crack.
[03:37] <ajmitch_> tseng: how good is that crack?
[03:37] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch!
[03:37] <tseng> hey dudes.
[03:37] <bddebian> Hello tseng
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[03:42] <ajmitch_> wb fabbione :)
[03:43] <bddebian> ajmitch_: Are you at UDU?
[03:45] <Riddell> jaldhar: yo
[03:45] <ajmitch_> bddebian: sure
[03:46] <bddebian> ajmitch_: Sure?
[03:46] <bddebian> jaldhar is here?
[03:46] <jaldhar> Riddell: I'm involved in packaging yast for debian.  Is this sometinhg kubuntu would be interested in?
[03:46] <jaldhar> bddebian: yes
[03:46] <ajmitch_> bddebian: sure, I'm at UDU
[03:46] <ajmitch_> :P
[03:47] <d3vic3> jaldhar, issint yast specific to SuSe, I mean license wise ?
[03:48] <jaldhar> d3vic3: not anyomore.  It is GPL as of 9.2
[03:48] <bddebian> ajmitch_: Is that sarcasm?
[03:48] <d3vic3> jaldhar, sweet
[03:49] <d3vic3> but then, it configures everything system wide? will it be apt-get/dpkg-* compatible then ?
[03:49] <ajmitch_> bddebian
[03:49] <ajmitch_> no, it's a statement of fact
[03:50] <bddebian> ajmitch_: Ahh.  How is it?
[03:50] <jaldhar> d3vic3: eventually though we still have a long way to go
[03:50] <d3vic3> jaldhar, i can imagine
[03:51] <jaldhar> See: http://yast4debian.alioth.debian.org/
[03:51] <d3vic3> I can give a helping hand, I'm an ex suse user (prev company)
[03:52] <jaldhar> d3vic3: fnat would be great
[03:52] <jaldhar> s/fnat/that/
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[04:06] <dholbach> jaldhar, d3vic3: could you talk with Kamion about this? i think he would like to hear about it althought i assume he wouldn't approve of it
[04:07] <d3vic3> sure
[04:09] <jaldhar> dholbach: ok.  the only drawback I see is there is no equivalent GNOME ui for it (though there is a curses one.)
[04:11] <dholbach> jaldhar: i assume adjusting it to the needs of the ubuntu/debian world is more work than a proper new interface
[04:11] <Riddell> jaldhar: sounds very insteresting
[04:11] <Riddell> jaldhar: do you have anything available currently?
[04:13] <jaldhar> Riddell: a very basic version (i.e. it starts up without crashing) is available.  More is working but I haven't packaged it yet.  in a day or two I hope
[04:13] <jaldhar> See: http://yast4debian.alioth.debian.org/ especially the FAQ for details on the apt source
[04:13] <Riddell> jaldhar: cool, I'll try and check it out, keep us updated too
[04:14] <Riddell> jaldhar: we are going to have to start looking for configuration tools for the next kubuntu soon
[04:14] <jaldhar> Riddell: what kind of timeframe is soon?
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[04:15] <bddebian> heh
[04:15] <jaldhar> dholbach: the major work will be in fixing the location of files, becoming debian policy compliant etc.
[04:16] <dholbach> it should be completely coordinated with the guys from "main"
[04:16] <d3vic3> probably
[04:16] <amu> hehe
[04:16] <Riddell> jaldhar: well next release is in 5 months
[04:17] <Riddell> jaldhar: but we'll need to look at configurations tools pretty soon like in the next month I guess
[04:17] <jaldhar> Riddell: we hope to have everything basically working by then
[04:18] <jaldhar> Riddell: btw I will be applying to be a MOTU soon as soon as I can spare some time to backup this laptop and install kubuntu on it
[04:18] <dholbach> could you take the conversation to #ubuntu-devel
[04:19] <dholbach> i'm sure they want to hear about it
[04:19] <d3vic3> true
[04:20] <jaldhar> dholbach: ok I'll do that after I've finished the next round of packaging so there is actually something worth looking at.  I just wanted to get an initial reaction for now
[04:20] <Riddell> jaldhar: sign up athttp://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MOTUKDE
[04:21] <jaldhar> Riddell: will do
[04:21] <ajmitch_> ogra: yast?! what crack is this?
[04:21] <dholbach> jaldhar: i really encourage you to work with us, but to be honest, i'm not very confident in yast in ubuntu, but that's just my opinion
[04:21] <tseng> buh.
[04:22] <ogra> ajmitch_, www.suse.com ;)
[04:23] <ajmitch_> ogra: yes, I've seen that..
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[05:10] <d3vic3> ajmitch_, Zope BOF is on
[05:24] <ajmitch_> d3vic3: I thought that was this afternoon?
[06:39] <tseng> where is ajmitch_
[06:41] <ajmitch_> ajmitch is upstairs @ the zope BOF
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[06:42] <tseng> ok
[06:42] <tseng> im at drafting for selinux
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[07:13] <ajmitch_> tseng: come & visit me in vibe out if you want to talk in person
[07:13] <tseng> ok.
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[09:35] <tseng> schweeb schweeb schweeb schweeb schweeb schweeb
[09:39] <blueyed> schweeb
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[10:06] <GheRivero> res
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[11:36] <ajmitch_> d3vic3: we're down in forum, if you want to join us
[11:36] <tseng> ajmitch_: he doesnt.
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[11:37] <tseng> vibe the fuck out.
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[11:55] <\sh> morninh
[11:55] <\sh> -h+g
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[01:34] <\sh> http://www.airbus.com/A380/seeing/indexminisite.aspx first flight of the A380
[01:34] <Treenaks> I want one for my next birthday!
[01:36] <\sh> me too :)
[01:36] <\sh> and I patched my pykde so it's working as expected...
[01:36] <\sh> now i can go and change the packages
[01:37] <Treenaks> pykde.. *shudder*
[01:38] <\sh> why=
[01:38] <\sh> ?
[01:39] <\sh> anyways...coffee :)
[01:39] <\sh> and shower
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[02:58] <\sh> hey dholbach
[02:59] <dholbach> hey \sh
[02:59] <\sh> how r u? :)
[02:59] <dholbach> busy :-)
[03:00] <\sh> hehe :)
[03:00] <\sh> did u or anyone else make some videos from the conf?
[03:01] <dholbach> dont think so
[03:10] <\sh> thats bad ;)
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[03:12] <koke> I have one of the Sydney opera house, but only with spanish ppl
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[03:42] <tritium> Good morning.
[03:44] <trulux> tritium: hey! :)
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[03:44] <tritium> Hey trulux :)
[03:46] <trulux> tritium: howya?
[03:46] <tritium> trulux, busy but good.  You?
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[03:49] <trulux> Treenaks: same, too busy with school, good (though not really good ...), jus preparing things for German class
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[03:51] <Treenaks> trulux: itym tritium
[03:52] <trulux> Treenaks: oh, right, It took time for me to get the joke *grin*
[03:55] <tritium> :)
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[04:02] <tritium> Morning, ogra
[04:02] <ogra> hey tritium
[04:04] <dholbach> hey tritium
[04:04] <dholbach> ogra: where are you hanging out?
[04:04] <tritium> Hey dholbach :)
[04:04] <ogra> 2nd floor
[04:04] <tseng> 2nd floor sublime?
[04:07] <ogra> in the corridor
[04:07] <tseng> lame
[04:07] <tritium> I'm on the 2nd floor too ;)
[04:07] <ogra> on the sofas
[04:08] <ogra> tritium, wrong continent ;)
[04:08] <tritium> ogra, dang :(
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[04:23] <tritium> I'll join you guys in spirit, by crawling "down under" my desk.
[04:26] <trulux> tritium: haha :)
[04:30] <ogra> dholbach, coming downstrairs for a smoke now
[04:30] <dholbach> ogra: ROCK
[04:30] <Treenaks> crack rock?
[04:33] <\sh> hey ogra
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[04:34] <bddebian> Hello
[04:34] <tritium> hello bddebian
[04:35] <bddebian> Heya Boilermaker / Fightin' Irish.. ;-P
[04:35] <tritium> :)
[04:37] <\sh> grmpf normally i have free today
[04:37] <\sh> but those guys from nagra, they screwing everythin
[04:37] <tritium> nagra?
[04:38] <\sh> dtv crypto system
[04:38] <tritium> I see
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[04:39] <\sh> so..one last cigarette and then getting ready to rumble ;)
[04:39] <Treenaks> \sh: firing squad etc.
[04:43] <\sh> ok...leaving cu later guys
[04:58] <tritium> me too...se you all later.
[04:58] <tritium> see
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[05:00] <dholbach> good night!
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[06:02] <Unfrgiven> can anyone give me a hand with dpatch?
[06:03] <Unfrgiven> i have created a patch called 01blah.dpatch. i have a file called 00list with "01blah" in it. but the patch doesnt seem to be applied. any ideas? what am i doing wrong?
[06:04] <trulux> try to rename it to 01_blach.dpatch
[06:05] <Unfrgiven> trulux: ok trying it now.
[06:06] <Unfrgiven> does pbuilder give any indication that it is running dpatch?
[06:10] <Unfrgiven> trulux: didnt work :(
[06:12] <trulux> Unfrgiven: ... have you read the developer reference?
[06:12] <Unfrgiven> trulux: no i havent
[06:12] <Unfrgiven> trulux: i guess i should
[06:13] <Unfrgiven> trulux: i thought that it was outdated and the one to read was new maintainers guide
[06:13] <trulux> yes, I think so, but I'm not an expert on packaging (yet ;P )
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[06:55] <schweeb> tseng: ?
[06:56] <schweeb> all you freakin people in .au, trying to ping me at 3:30 am @_@
[07:09] <trulux> schweeb: better, all you freakin' people at .au having fun in the beach, talking to the Ubuntu fellows and drinking .au beer together, trying to make me committing suicide 'cos I'm not there!?
[07:10] <schweeb> that too
[07:12] <AstralJava> Hehe, was it today's or yesterday's UF's daily strip, that said "All Fosters is shipped overseas, but I can see if guys can find you something similar from the sump...".
[07:12] <AstralJava> Might not be too jealous after all...
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[07:52] <herve> hello
[07:55] <bddebian> Hello herve
[07:56] <AstralJava> Hi herve.
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[08:44] <herve> if you're wondering about unicode and encodings, there is this excellent article: http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/Unicode.html
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[09:09] <tarzeau> how to get software into ubuntu ?
[09:10] <bddebian> Heya tarzeau
[09:11] <tarzeau> bddebian: omg please tell me you don't use ubuntu
[09:11] <tritium> tarzeau, this is a good starting place: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MOTUGettingIntoIt
[09:11] <bddebian> tarzeau: Why?
[09:11] <tarzeau> oh i need to be on irc to get packages into ubuntu?
[09:12] <tritium> well, you'll need to coordinate with others to get your packages reviewed and eventually approved
[09:13] <tarzeau> bddebian: have you lately played w/ plan9?
[09:13] <bddebian> tarzeau: No, haven't seen it.  I was supposed to see the talk about it at FOSDEM but they were running so far behind that I missed it. :-(
[09:15] <tritium> tarzeau, which software?
[09:15] <tarzeau> tritium: www.linuks.mine.nu/debian/supertransball2/
[09:16] <tritium> are those package you build yourself?
[09:16] <tarzeau> yes
[09:17] <tritium> tarzeau, you could review the MOTU process, and consider getting involved.  If you want to pursue it, request a package review.  Some changes would be necessary (e.g. ubuntu version number, etc.)
[09:18] <tarzeau> tritium: ah ok, thanks
[09:18] <tarzeau> no i don't really feel like it, rather go play that and nethack some more
[09:18] <tarzeau> bddebian: hurd, right?
[09:19] <bddebian> tarzeau: Of course, what else is there? :-)
[09:19] <tarzeau> bddebian: gnu-kbsd ?  i run OPENSTEP (Mach ;)
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[09:19] <Gagatan> g'evening
[09:20] <tarzeau> bddebian: it's just confusing me to see you here
[09:20] <Gagatan> I'm maintaining a couple of packages in debian.. and I've applied for motu.. I'd like to have updated packages in ubuntu as well as debian.. what's the next step?
[09:21] <Gagatan> I'm not DD as I have 2 DDs sponsoring my current packages
[09:21] <bddebian> tarzeau: Why?  I was trying to become a DD but I am questioning that decision so I came here. :-)
[09:21] <herve> tarzeau, strange, your diff.gz has DOS end of lines :-)
[09:22] <tarzeau> herve: because upstream hs DOS end of lines
[09:22] <herve> tarzeau, *fear* :-)
[09:22] <tarzeau> herve: that stuff is developed on dos you know (well windows nowadays)
[09:22] <tarzeau> i have nother: http://gnu.ethz.ch/debian/ocp/
[09:22] <tarzeau> and one more game too!
[09:22] <tarzeau> Gagatan: which packages you do?
[09:23] <herve> tarzeau, you've done the diff.gz yourself?
[09:23] <herve> I mean the changes
[09:23] <tarzeau> bddebian: haha, i would love a @gnu.org one
[09:23] <tarzeau> herve: yes
[09:23] <tarzeau> herve: why do you guys ask so strange questions?
[09:23] <tarzeau> if i do the stuff myself? who else, my mom?
[09:23] <herve> tarzeau, you should really consider using dpatch
[09:24] <bddebian> tarzeau: A gnu.org what?
[09:24] <herve> tarzeau, you could work with other people/upstream, etc.
[09:24] <tarzeau> herve: it's up to the maintainer what he uses
[09:24] <tarzeau> herve: i have talked with these upstreams, and chosen to do it how it is now
[09:24] <herve> it's up to you to ease your reviewer's and upstream's life ;-)
[09:24] <tarzeau> i have my reasons. if you really want, i can explain them to you
[09:25] <Gagatan> tarzeau: luma,pyrad and python-smbpasswd
[09:25] <herve> tarzeau, I'm not considering your changes but how to review and maintain them
[09:25] <tarzeau> nothing hard to review here, is there?
[09:25] <tarzeau> herve: look into the diff.gz and review it?
[09:25] <herve> in short, we have better tools than modifying the source code itself
[09:25] <tritium> tarzeau, lintian checks, etc. as well
[09:26] <herve> tarzeau, I can't get why you did those changes and the consequences
[09:26] <tarzeau> tritium: i use lintian
[09:26] <tarzeau> herve: which exactly?
[09:26] <Gagatan> tarzeau: quite simple packages.. I'm also co-developing luma.. all packages lintian-clean upon upload to d.unstable
[09:26] <tritium> tarzeau, that's fine.  Nevertheless, you'll want to work cooperatively with whoever reviews your packages.
[09:26] <herve> tarzeau, the whole, it's just a 844 lines diff for me
[09:26] <tarzeau> tritium: true
[09:27] <tarzeau> tritium: but if i will do this longterm is a question that is unanswered, because keeping stuff in debian, will likely get them in all forks of debian
[09:28] <tritium> tarzeau, I guess that is a question only you can decide
[09:33] <Gagatan> well.. I'm gonna hunt some food.. I'd really appreciate if someone could give me a hint on the next step of becoming motu (other than wait)
[09:33] <herve> Gagatan, what's your current state?
[09:33] <Gagatan> herve: applied on the webpage.. and tried asking here a while ago, but no reply
[09:34] <herve> Gagatan, applied to be a MOTU? I'm afraid you forgot some steps...
[09:34] <tritium> Gagatan, you read the wiki page?
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[09:38] <bddebian> What if I'm stupid but want to become an MOTU?? :-)
[09:39] <Gagatan> tritium: at least I thought so at the time.. ;) I'm on the list of candidates.. next step is get a signed gpg key to sign the Code of Conduct?
[09:39] <herve> bddebian, stupid people can help ubuntu too ;-)
[09:39] <tritium> Gagatan, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MOTUGettingIntoIt
[09:39] <herve> Gagatan, you don't need a trusted key for signing the CoC but it won't be enough for uploading packages on your own
[09:39] <tritium> bddebian, you're not, though
[09:40] <herve> Gagatan, note you need to be a member at first
[09:40] <herve> which is quite easy
[09:44] <bddebian> herve: How so? :-)
[09:44] <bddebian> tritium: How would you know? :-)
[09:45] <tritium> bddebian, because you're a smart guy
[09:45] <bddebian> tritium: Well don't go pull my records from Purdue then.. ;-P
[09:46] <tritium> bddebian, lol, okay ;)
[09:46] <herve> bddebian, providing usability tests :-)
[09:47] <herve> Purdue is a school?
[09:47] <tritium> herve, yes, a University (known for engineering)
[09:50] <tritium> dropped a few spots to 10th: http://www.usnews.com/usnews/edu/grad/rankings/eng/brief/engrank_brief.php
[09:52] <bddebian>  :-(
[09:52] <herve> bddebian, then, if you saw my own records... -:)
[09:53] <tritium> bddebian, imho, GPA is not a sufficient statistic
[09:54] <tritium> So don't be so down about it.
[09:56] <bddebian> tritium: Oh I could care less about GPA, I'm just still not so bright.. ;-P
[09:56] <bddebian> For example, I'm about to go have a cigarette, knowing full well that it is killing me.. ;-)
[09:56] <tritium> well, everyone shines brightly in their own way
[09:57] <herve> bddebian, how can you look yourself in a mirror afterwards?! ;-)
[09:58] <tritium> bddebian, you can always stop
[09:59] <bddebian> Nah, if I stop I'll start drinking heavily. :-)
[09:59] <blueyed> Are there know problems with ppp on breezy? Actually (since the last update of "ppp" (on 24th) I have to run "sudo pppoeconf" after each reboot).
[09:59] <blueyed> s/know/known/
[10:06] <trulux> herve: hey
[10:07] <trulux> tritium: talking about Purdue? :)
[10:07] <tritium> trulux, we were, yes
[10:08] <Gagatan> herve: heh.. now I see :)  I'll go see if I can help out somewhere :-)
[10:14] <herve> hi trulux
[10:18] <trulux> herve: bbl, dinner, then I'll talk to you on the packages
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[10:18] <herve> trulux, too late for tonight :-p
[10:18] <herve> by the way
[10:19] <herve> good night all!
[10:19] <siretart> hi there
[10:20] <siretart> does anyone has experience with packaging python apps with cdbs? I want to change the bindir prefix. is this possible?
[10:20] <siretart> I don't know distutils very well :(
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[10:44] <\sh> re
[10:46] <siretart> hi \sh
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[10:49] <tritium> "re" still puzzles me...
[10:51] <siretart> tritium: its short for "Hi, I've returned"
[10:51] <tritium> siretart, ah, taken from "returned"?  Thanks...
[10:51] <siretart> jupp
[10:51] <tritium> :)
[10:51] <siretart> :)
[10:52] <siretart> I'm packaging a game in python
[10:52] <siretart> the distutils is installing the scripts in /usr/bin, policy wants them in /usr/games
[10:52] <siretart> and I'm using cdbs with python module. what would you recommend to "fix" my problem?
[10:53] <tritium> siretart, have you checked the cdbs tutorial?
[10:53] <siretart> yes, but havn't found something applicable
[10:53] <tritium> https://wiki.duckcorp.org/DebianPackagingTutorial_2fCDBS
[10:53] <tritium> Wow, that looks new...
[10:54] <tritium> looks like my bookmark is outdated
[10:54] <siretart> I could give distutils options, but now I'm at the docu of them, and I cannot find anything else than --prefix for setting paths..
[10:55] <tritium> what about DEB_PYTHON_INSTALL_ARGS_ALL ?
[10:56] <siretart> yeah, there I could say things like --force, but what should I say for manipulating the dir for scripts only?
[10:56] <siretart> as said, I don't know distutils very well
[10:57] <tritium> not sure, siretart
[11:08] <\sh> http://kdelook.org/content/show.php?content=23479
[11:08] <\sh> ian|static: fantastic work :)
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[11:22] <siretart> ah, found the option, but, how to give distutils setup.py a specific option to the install_scripts command?
[11:23] <\sh> siretart: there is a doc on python.org for this
[11:24] <siretart> \sh: yes, I have the manual already open :)
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[11:36] <siretart> yeah, found it in the distutil doku on python.org. thanks \sh!
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