[12:00] <KingArthur10> no, technically, ipw2100/220 does work out of the box.  just didn't with mine
[12:00] <KingArthur10> worked on the pre-release of Horay, then broke when I updated to the full release.  Don't know why.  tried reinstalling the full release, still broken
[12:00] <KingArthur10> using a PC-card wi-fi card currently.  works, just kinda annoying
[12:01] <topyli> hrm
[12:01] <senator32> holycow, i installed linneighborhood and got the exact same error
[12:01] <holycow> whats that again?
[12:02] <senator32> libsmb based programs must *NOT* be setuid root.
[12:02] <senator32> 7930: Connection to SENATOR32 failed
[12:02] <senator32> SMB connection failed
[12:02] <senator32> thats when i attempted to mount
[12:02] <holycow> *hmmm* weird, google that, i've never seen it before
[12:03] <holycow> sorry for the lame answer i wish i could be more specific
[12:03] <senator32> i tryed
[12:03] <senator32> i know
[12:03] <holycow> nothing?
[12:03] <senator32> nope
[12:03] <Goonie> KingArthur10~ ipw2200 v. 0.19 is way borky... the new version works like a charm ppl tell me.. just don't know how to uninstall my current verion and compile the new one
[12:03] <holycow> *ummm* i'm at a loss, my appologies i would like to help
[12:03] <senator32> i have got the 1000,1000 error b4 which says that i need to be root, but not this time
[12:03] <senator32> no biggy
[12:04] <KingArthur10> I've got the ipw2100
[12:05] <flipy> how can I make the windows partitions to show in Places (gnome)?
[12:05] <Cine> grrr... can't get .wmv files to play... which package do I need?
[12:05] <Xappe> flipy, mount them in /media and do a /etc/init.d/dbus-1 restart
[12:06] <flipy> ok i'll do it :D
[12:06] <Juhaz> w32codecs
[12:06] <Juhaz> wdecs
[12:06] <Juhaz> -wdecs
[12:06] <Thorrn4> topyli, thank you..that helped me out
[12:06] <Cine> I looked for the w32codecs but its not in the package list
[12:06] <topyli> BTW, in the RootSudo wiki page, an important detail is left out. every cracker knows your box has an account named "root"
[12:06] <Cine> I'll try wdecs
[12:06] <Xappe> oh, and you will need to do the dbus-1 restart after every reboot for them to show up correctly
[12:06] <topyli> but they don't know it has an account named "topyli"
[12:07] <Juhaz> Cine, heh, wdecs was a typo
[12:07] <Cine> oh
[12:07] <Cine> well then I won't find that one either... :)
[12:07] <hybrid> is azureus in universe
[12:07] <hypno> topyli: so fix it, it's a wiki :)
[12:07] <topyli> i think i will :)
[12:08] <Cine> the w32codecs came back as unavailable in apt get, and doesn't show up when I search for it in synaptic
[12:08] <topyli> if this makes sense
[12:08] <mburns> hypno: go look:)
[12:08] <hypno> heh
[12:08] <DarwinsBUlldog> toplyi, just like every goon knows windows has a user called administrator.
[12:08] <smouche> heh heh, topyli, I've seen people joining irc channels with nicks like "Root_" !
[12:08] <flipy> Xappe, it is mounted on /media and still the same
[12:08] <topyli> yes
[12:08] <Juhaz> Cine, looks like w32codecs is in marillat
[12:08] <mburns> Cine: go to www.ubuntuguide.org and read how to add new repositories to apt-get/synaptic
[12:08] <Juhaz> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[12:08] <Cine> I have universe and multiverse added
[12:08] <Xappe> flipy, add the "user" option to the fstab line
[12:08] <topyli> smouche: i've whois'd them and some of them _are_ root :(
[12:09] <DarwinsBUlldog> And any good windows admin gets rid of administator and logs in under another name to get admin rights
[12:09] <mburns> Cine: go to www.ubuntuguide.org and read how to add new repositories to apt-get/synaptic :)
[12:09] <flipy> Xappe, dev/hda5       /media/win_c          vfat    rw,user,auto,umask=0,iocharset=iso8859-1,utf8        0       0
[12:09] <DarwinsBUlldog> Cine, what arch are you using ?
[12:09] <smouche> I know, it's people advertising, I just got a new linux install here, and it's so nice of 1) the distro to let me log in as root, and
[12:09] <smouche> 2) it's so nice of my irc client to advertise that fact for me by default
[12:10] <marzec> greetings
[12:10] <Cine> um... you mean Hoary?
[12:10] <Xappe> flipy, that should do it I think
[12:10] <senator32> holycow, i think i figured out my problem...not sure how to fix it though...i did this command "chmod +s `which smbmount` " this is wrong according to the google search i did. it needs to be "chmod +s `which smbmnt` " apparently it makes a big difference
[12:10] <flipy> Xappe, that's what i've had always, and still not showing
[12:10] <holycow> senator32, thats basically what the error said too .. i've simply never seen that before :/
[12:10] <DarwinsBUlldog> Cine, no, are you running the AMD64 version of ubuntu ?
[12:10] <mburns> Cine: AMD-64, i386 (amd/intel), PPC (mac)
[12:10] <MrMinit> Hi guys, some problems here. I think I managed to delete xorg.conf when I tried to install NVidia-drivers. Can't start X now, only got 'no screens found' (or something) error.. hints?
[12:11] <holycow> you haveto basically chmod the right files, which ones, beyond me
[12:11] <marzec> just a small question, has anyone here ever succeded in installing a netgear wg111 wlan usb stick on the latest ubuntu (doh what a sentence:) )
[12:11] <senator32> i may uninstall samba and reinstal it
[12:11] <hamtarorist> hi everyone
[12:11] <DarwinsBUlldog> cine, only if it is the AMD64 version I seem to recall that the windows codecs are not availible.
[12:11] <Arthur> YAY!  I got flash working with sounds!
[12:11] <DarwinsBUlldog> Unless you mess around with a 32bit chroot that is
[12:11] <Arthur> :-D
[12:11] <Arthur> thankee :-)
[12:11] <Xappe> flipy: well, my ext3 partitions show up just fine after I restart dbus
[12:11] <Cine> how do I go about checking that Dawrin?
[12:12] <holycow> Arthur, what was the fix again, you had to change a .mozilla setting right?
[12:12] <flipy> Xappe, gonna check
[12:12] <flipy> Xappe, anyway
[12:12] <hamtarorist> can anyone tell me what the kernel version and how to look it up is of  Ubuntu 5.04 (the latest one)?
[12:12] <Arthur> had to install flash-nonfree
[12:12] <DarwinsBUlldog> Cine, in a terminal window type in uname -a and post what it says
[12:12] <thechitowncubs> uname -r
[12:12] <thechitowncubs> i think
[12:12] <flipy> anybody knows why in a vfat partition are keeping permissions from windows xp?
[12:12] <Cine> Linux Lukie 2.6.10-5-386 #1 Tue Apr 5 12:12:40 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
[12:12] <thechitowncubs> hamtarorist: uname -r
[12:12] <hamtarorist> thanks thechitowncubs
[12:12] <thechitowncubs> np
[12:13] <DarwinsBUlldog> Cine, ok, you are using an i386 version, so you should be able to install the windows codecs.
[12:13] <flipy> Xappe, it worked... that means i'll have to restart dbus always?
[12:13] <topyli> smouche: yeah, come on and get root if you can, i have linux, i'm uncrackable! what bullshit
[12:13] <Xappe> flipy, yes
[12:13] <Xappe> flipy, i've not come up with any other solution
[12:13] <holycow> man i love linux
[12:13] <DarwinsBUlldog> Cine, I suspect you have not got  apt looking in the right place.
[12:13] <hybrid> anyone have azureus running with ppc
[12:13] <holycow> i have yet to download and install a single goddamned driver
[12:13] <flipy> Xappe, did u take a look at any conf file for dbus?
[12:13] <holycow> everything just works
[12:13] <Cine> I have universe and multiverse added... is there another?
[12:13] <holycow> hillarious
[12:13] <Xappe> flipy: hopefully they'll fix it with the next versions of dbus/HAL
[12:13] <DarwinsBUlldog> Cine, not sure.
[12:14] <cusco> Im having some troubles with my ipod...
[12:14] <cusco> suddenly it wont mount read-write anymore, only read-only. I had left the original HFS+ filesystem on it, and im learning that there is no fsck.hfsplus for Linux that would clear the INCONSISTENT-bit of my HFS+ filesystem.
[12:14] <flipy> Xappe, maybe it's already fixed, but still not in repository
[12:14] <topyli> holycow: just the normal state of affairs. you've been to hell, now you're in the normal state
[12:14] <smouche> Cine, yes -- those repos are for unsupported, but not (as far as I know) proprietary files
[12:14] <Xappe> flipy: no, i'm not that advanced, and I could not find anything useful on the forums :)
[12:14] <Super_Cat_Frog> hi - im having problems with hotplug. once it gets to hotplug it just stops booting. im pretty sure it locks everything up (you cant press any keys and make them appear on the screen). any idea's anybody?
[12:14] <smouche> Cine, you need to check www.ubuntuguide for instructions; it's an excellent guide to this stuff
[12:15] <DarwinsBUlldog> Smouche, thank you. I was about to point him there but forgot the url!
[12:15] <topyli> i think it's down :(
[12:15] <flipy> if I mount a windows partition, it's keeping windows permissions, why this?
[12:15] <smouche> np, DarwinsBUlldog -- I think someone already die actually -- oops:  www.ubuntuguide.org
[12:16] <Xappe> flipy: how do you mean?
[12:16] <smouche> I keep sending people to ".com" by mistake
[12:16] <holycow> flipy, thats how networking works
[12:16] <topyli> it's up! :)
[12:16] <smouche> jesus, my typing! "already somebody die actually"  hah hah -- "did"
[12:16] <flipy> holycow, it's not networking
[12:16] <matt1987> what is x11
[12:17] <holycow> flipy, the 'server' on which the share resides decides what the permissions are
[12:17] <topyli> holycow: "partition"
[12:17] <holycow> 'its how networking works'
[12:17] <DarwinsBUlldog> Flipy, is this accessing a fat partition via samba or mounting it directly ?
[12:17] <smouche> flipy, wouldn't you be really pissed if it didn't keep those permissions??
[12:17] <smouche> that's what permissions are for...
[12:17] <matt1987> whats x11
[12:17] <topyli> heh
[12:17] <flipy> Xappe, well, I've did what you told me (I was able to access the partitions the ohter way), and if I browse thru it I can see that in some directories I can't write
[12:17] <topyli> moi matti. X!! is the windowing system you're probably looking at
[12:18] <flipy> i'm mounting it
[12:18] <Super_Cat_Frog> matt1987 - the X server (currently Xorg, used to be XFree86)
[12:18] <nickrud> matt1987, it's the software that drives your display. www.x.org for more info
[12:18] <flipy> and no, i don't want to keep permissions
[12:18] <matt1987> ok
[12:18] <flipy> why the heck do i need windows permissions under linux?
[12:18] <matt1987> well i install loads of programs fome the synaptic thingy and i can see them in my menu help
[12:18] <holycow> *sigh*
[12:18] <thr1ce> because you have windows partitions
[12:18] <Xappe> flipy: maybe you hould try umask=000 and chown the mountpoint to your user?
[12:18] <flipy> Xappe, i've did the chown
[12:18] <transgress> anyone know why my bootup would hang at COnfiguring network interfaces?  if i control-c it, everything works fine, but it's an annoyance to have to do that
[12:18] <flipy> (i'll check again)
[12:19] <holycow> flipy, your name is oddly appropriate in light of your questions
[12:19] <holycow> :)
[12:19] <flipy> and i put a umask=0 (not 000)
[12:19] <thr1ce> add umask=ooo to /etc/fstab
[12:19] <thr1ce> 000 *
[12:19] <flipy> holycow, why?
[12:19] <zero[] > can i get true transparancy in gnome 2.1?
[12:19] <matt1987> why wont none of the prgrams i have downloaded in synaptic pasckage thingy appear in my menu
[12:20] <topyli> matt1987: do you have a "debian" entry in the main menu?
[12:20] <matt1987> huh?
[12:20] <Cine> ah HA!  found it... :)
[12:20] <holycow> flipy, when you finally *get* why we are right you will look back and laaaaauuuugggghhh
[12:20] <holycow> :)
[12:20] <topyli> matt1987: in the "applications" menu. is there a "debian" submenu?
[12:20] <matt1987> no
[12:20] <matt1987> howto?
[12:20] <nickrud> matt, insttall menu  and menu-xdg, and there will be a new debian entry in your menus
[12:20] <transgress> hey does anyone have any suggestions about why my processor is clocking in at 797 mghz according to /proc/cpuinfo?  it's an amd64 3000+
[12:20] <DarwinsBUlldog> Transgress, is it looking for network resources that are not availible ?
[12:21] <holycow> as a side note, this is also humorous --> http://www.jellyslab.com/~bteo/hacker.htm
[12:21] <topyli> matt1987: install the "menu" package. then, open a terminal and do "sudo update-menus"
[12:21] <flipy> holycow, first, sorry for not being so smart, i'm not native english so weird gramatic errors/fun things are hard for me to catch
[12:21] <holycow> transgress, severe underclocking?
[12:21] <holycow> -_-
[12:21] <transgress> DarwinsBUlldog: iuno... the default is eth0 which is available... now it could be looking for wifi too i guess
[12:21] <flipy> holycow, and second, are you talking about flip thing?
[12:21] <holycow> flipy, please don't appologize, i'm just kidden
[12:21] <transgress> holycow: well it's a 1.8 ghz... i'm kind of just getting .8... so yeah sever underclocking
[12:21] <flipy> holycow, don't worry
[12:22] <holycow> :) k.
[12:22] <RainFX> transgress: It's probably the AMD cool'n'quiet thingy...
[12:22] <flipy> Xappe, btw, you were right, i didn't chown the directories
[12:22] <holycow> flipy, look, basically the server on which the file sits decides what permissions the files have right?
[12:22] <holycow> if your sitting at that machine and make all the files read only for everyone, than everyone will have read only right
[12:22] <transgress> RainFX: huh?
[12:23] <Xappe> tranquillizers, holycow, tranquillizers...
[12:23] <holycow> whether they are sitting on the network or at the machine
[12:23] <flipy> holycow, machine, it's my laptop
[12:23] <flipy> sharing windows and linux
[12:23] <flipy> to keep school things working
[12:23] <topyli> holycow: this is not networking dude
[12:23] <matt1987> it didnt work
[12:23] <matt1987> dont worrie just appeared
[12:23] <topyli> matt1987: open a terminal, and do "sudo update-menus"
[12:23] <Xappe> holycow: he's dualbooting ;)
[12:23] <holycow> flipy, sure, then on your windows machine you need to set the appropriate permissions for the directories you want to share
[12:24] <holycow> topyli, am i actually helping too much?
[12:24] <holycow> >_>
[12:24] <topyli> matt1987: congratulations, you have the messy debian menu there :)
[12:24] <flipy> holycow, let's get this straight, I'm mounting the partitons, so I don't understand why linux is taking a look at windows permissions
[12:24] <holycow> Xappe, hes using a network share to access the files on the same machine?
[12:24] <flipy> that sounds odd for me
[12:24] <holycow> you have got to be kidding me?
[12:24] <topyli> holycow: you're off topic there. he's not networking, he's mounting partitions :)
[12:25] <Cine> rats... wmv still won't play
[12:25] <holycow> flipy, rofl, never mind Xappe is right i need more meds
[12:25] <Xappe> holycow: no? he's mounting a fat32 partition
[12:25] <flipy> xDDDD
[12:25] <Ironfrost> cine - did you install win32 codecs and VLC?
[12:25] <transgress> is there a way to make my chip the right clock speed?
[12:25] <holycow> rofl topyli i though he was mounting network shares :)
[12:25] <holycow> haha sorry flipy !!!!!!
[12:25] <Ironfrost> also, is there DRM on the file?
[12:25] <topyli> heh
[12:25] <Cine> installed the codecs... not VLC
[12:25] <flipy> Xappe, the thing is that two users are sharing the comp, so if I chown just to my user, would the other user be able to browse rwx there?
[12:25] <topyli> holycow: you need a beer or something =)
[12:26] <holycow> topyli, totally :)
[12:26] <Cine> whats the name of the package?
[12:26] <flipy> holycow, bud?
[12:26] <Xappe> flipy: give permissions to both users
[12:26] <holycow> lol
[12:26] <flipy> Xappe, run twice chown?
[12:26] <holycow> flipy, so you cant seen certain windows directories after you mount your xp partition? odd
[12:26] <flipy> Xappe, or chown user1,user2:user1,user2?
[12:26] <holycow> do you any directories encrypted maybe?
[12:26] <flipy> holycow, i can see them, but i can't write to there
[12:26] <dave> Is there a way to browse for printers on the network to add a new network printer. I know I could when I was using Debian but Ubuntu seems just a little different
[12:26] <holycow> flipy, thats correct
[12:26] <ThomasWinwood> Hey, hope you can help a Ubuntu newb. I'm trying to configure network support with my wireless card but am getting no DHCPOFFERs back.
[12:27] <holycow> linux doesn't have write support for ntfs
[12:27] <cikilin> holycow:i mount an ide and after restart i have to mount again
[12:27] <maddler> holycow... ?!
[12:27] <holycow> you can only read ntfs partition ... it is ntfs correct?
[12:27] <DarwinsBUlldog> Flipy, if it is an NTFS partition you won't be able to write to it.
[12:27] <senator32> how do you "Please remove the setuid root bit from smbmount tool."
[12:27] <flipy> DarwinsBUlldog, FAT32
[12:27] <maddler> holycow... 2.6 has rw support for ntfs
[12:27] <maddler> afaik
[12:27] <holycow> flipy, weird :/
[12:27] <holycow> maddler, no it doesn't actually :/
[12:27] <Cine> crap... a lot of VLC packages... which one do I need?
[12:27] <DarwinsBUlldog> flipy, and you are sure you are mounting it read-write ?
[12:27] <maddler> mumble...
[12:27] <treke> maddler:  be careful, last I checked there we serious limitations to the rw support
[12:27] <flipy> ok
[12:28] <nakata> heh, 'need' + 'vlc' = false
[12:28] <flipy> here's my fstab line
[12:28] <DarwinsBUlldog> flipy, what does you fstab entry say ?
[12:28] <Cine> lol
[12:28] <senator32> how do you "remove the setuid root bit from smbmount tool."
[12:28] <holycow> oh right fstab, right set permission, go dudes :)
[12:28] <maddler> treke... never used it actually... but afaik rw support should be ok in latest kernel versions...
[12:28] <Xappe> now, this is entertainment ;)
[12:28] <dell500> what are backports repositories?
[12:28] <Cine> suggestions then nakata?  I'm trying to get WMV files to play
[12:29] <DarwinsBUlldog> maddler, as I understand it writing to an NTFS partition in Linux can seriously screw the partition.
[12:29] <senator32> any ideas...
[12:29] <Rubin> DarwinsBUlldog: iv gotten away with it
[12:29] <transgress> also, does anyone know why my icons would be sort of scrambled on my toolbars after a reboot?
[12:29] <transgress> they never did this when i had the toolbars stretched, but when i told them not to expand, rebooted, they were all fucked up
[12:30] <maddler> DarwinsBUlldog... as I said I've never tried it myself... (happily I don't use any microcrap product)... lemme check something
[12:30] <holycow> Xappe, if this is what you do for fun, you need help bro :)
[12:30] <DarwinsBUlldog> Rubin, I think it depends what you do. But when I was looking at doing it a few weeks ago I came across some horror stories.
[12:30] <Xappe> holycow: well, why are YOU sitting here?
[12:30] <topyli> dell500: there are not many for hoary anyway. it's partly more recent than sid
[12:30] <flipy> here's the fstab line
[12:30] <holycow> Xappe, i have a cat5 in my cell
[12:30] <flipy> /dev/hda5       /media/win_c          vfat    rw,user,auto,umask=000,iocharset=iso8859-1,utf8        0       0
[12:30] <holycow> >_>
[12:30] <dell500> ok, but what are they :)
[12:31] <dell500> like the def behind it
[12:31] <topyli> dell500: http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/
[12:31] <Xappe> holycow: ahah, that explains a lot
[12:31] <holycow> -_-
[12:31] <dell500> i'm gonna be making the jump from winblows to linux as we speak, i'm so excited, and esp with a new distro :)
[12:31] <topyli> dell500: i don't recommend them. they make upgrading more difficult
[12:32] <Cine> WMV files still aren't playing... installed w32codecs, but still no go... any other suggestions?
[12:32] <Rubin> dell500: souns like fun :)
[12:32] <nickrud> Cine, what player?
[12:32] <topyli> those were the days
[12:32] <Cine> totem seems to be the only one that doesn't just flat out crash
[12:32] <nickrud> Cine, and which totem, the gstreamer one or the xine one?
[12:33] <Xappe> Cine: apt-get install totem-xine, then unpack the essential codecs from the mplayer site into your /home/user/.gnome2/totem-addons
[12:33] <topyli> Cine: install totem-xine instead of totem
[12:33] <maddler> DarwinsBUlldog... I remember I had an article about ntfs... but can't find it... so... you could actually be right... :)
[12:33] <flipy> DarwinsBUlldog,
[12:33] <Cine> topyli: gstreamer
[12:33] <DarwinsBUlldog> flipy, I can see nothing wrong with that fstab entry.
[12:33] <flipy> DarwinsBUlldog, /dev/hda5       /media/win_c          vfat    rw,user,auto,umask=000,iocharset=iso8859-1,utf8        0       0
[12:34] <topyli> Cine: gstreamer is cool, but totem-xine still works better in real life
[12:34] <thread> so my networking was fine earlier today... but all of a sudden, I can't get a dhcp ip from my wireless OR ethernet
[12:34] <Cine> ok, I'll give that a shot
[12:34] <thread> anybody have any suggestions for me?
[12:34] <flipy> DarwinsBUlldog, Xappe : can i apply chown for two users?
[12:34] <dell500> just wondering, but is it possible for ubuntu to do 3daccel with ATI cards??
[12:34] <dell500> or is that still a long shot?
[12:34] <Rubin> thread: ifdown eth0;ifup eth0
[12:35] <holycow> dell500, yes
[12:35] <thr1ce> ati cards work fine
[12:35] <topyli> dell500: i have a radeon 9xxx on my work box, and it works
[12:35] <Cine> speaking of crashing... I Have an mPlayer instance that crashed... how do I make the window go away?
[12:35] <Xappe> flipy: maybe you could try a chgrp to a group that conatins both users?
[12:35] <flipy> Xappe, i'll see
[12:35] <nickrud> Cine, I use killall mplayer :)
[12:35] <topyli> works :)
[12:35] <thread> Rubin: DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 .... ... a few times... then it tries a previously leased ip, pings gateway, fails. I'm totally stumped at this point.
[12:35] <Cine> okie
[12:35] <Zugot> topyli: which radeon 9xxx?   i sold my 9800xt cuz it just sucked too bad in linux
[12:35] <HrdwrBoB> topyli: 9xxx covers about five (I think maybe more) ATI chipsets :)
[12:36] <Rubin> thread: is it plugged in? :)
[12:36] <Zugot> 9000, 9200, 9500, 9800
[12:36] <Zugot> oh and 9700
[12:36] <Cine> hmm... no processes killed
[12:36] <Cine> and still can't play the damn WMV file... sheesh
[12:36] <nickrud> Cine, then killall -9 mplayer
[12:36] <topyli> Zugot: i think its a 9200. like i said, it's the work box so i don't worry too much about the 3d performance
[12:36] <Zugot> cine killall -9 mplayer
[12:36] <thread> Rubin: Yes
[12:36] <Zugot> 9200... that should work
[12:36] <topyli> it works
[12:36] <HrdwrBoB> effectively if you want to play games in linux, you need an nvidia card
[12:37] <thread> Rubin: it's definitely plugged in... I got the lights and everything
[12:37] <Cine> no proccesses killed...
[12:37] <Rubin> thread: your not using any kind of firewall are you? (playing with iptables or such?)
[12:37] <thread> Rubin: nope
[12:37] <Cine> oh, 9200?
[12:37] <topyli> HrdwrBoB: for about 6 years, i've been buying only matrox cards. the work box was given to me so...
[12:38] <Cine> hmm... still no workie
[12:38] <nickrud> Cine, last gasp for me is closing the terminal I called it from
[12:38] <Rubin> thread: is your network card driver a module? you could try rmmoding it and modprobing it (remove/add)
[12:38] <Cine> I did it thru the gui
[12:38] <Cine> guess I'll just have to restart
[12:38] <thread> Rubin: I've tried rebooting
[12:38] <thread> Rubin: I'm about to try a live cd
[12:38] <topyli> Cine: you'll have to reboot after installing the ati drivers
[12:38] <Rubin> thread: hmm. are you sure the dhcp server is working?
[12:38] <Cine> oh, ok
[12:38] <DarwinsBUlldog> thread, sure it is not a problem with the dhcp server ?
[12:38] <Cine> well away I go then
[12:39] <topyli> they do it the windows way :)
[12:39] <Rubin> thread: you might check the ethernet ports for bent pins
[12:39] <thread> yea, dhcp server definitely should be up & running... but that's why I'm going to try a boot cd
[12:39] <ThomasWinwood> thread's problem sounds remarkably like mine. eth0 seems to be okay but DHCP fails to work. I'm not sure what to check.
[12:39] <thread> ThomasWinwood: sucks, huh :/
[12:39] <ThomasWinwood> Yeah.
[12:40] <Rubin> sometimes you have to have an ISP assigned hostname for DHCP, or have the HWA registered with the server
[12:40] <Rubin> depends on your setup
[12:40] <ThomasWinwood> "No IPv6 routers present" crops up a lot.
[12:40] <topyli> thread: ThomasWinwood do "lspci" and see what it says about the card
[12:40] <Rubin> is the DHCP server a router? or your ISP?
[12:40] <ThomasWinwood> Router.
[12:40] <Rubin> ipv6?
[12:40] <thread> ipv4.. it's my dorm network
[12:41] <Rubin> thread: wonder if you were disabled or something
[12:41] <topyli> yeah, if the lines are open at all
[12:41] <thread> disabled?
[12:41] <thread> like admins disabled me?
[12:41] <topyli> if the socket is not connected
[12:41] <ThomasWinwood> topyli: Ethernet controller appears at 0000:00:0b.0 - Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (rev 10)
[12:42] <thread> ... I would still get a dhcp ip, but would only be able to get to special MSU pages
[12:42] <topyli> ThomasWinwood: that's pretty standard
[12:42] <topyli> ThomasWinwood: in fact, i have the same card :)
[12:42] <ThomasWinwood> Yay. Any clues for configuring my system?
[12:43] <flipy> Xappe, DarwinsBUlldog: still having the same issue... i've tryed to change the group but when i romount it, gets the root:root permissions
[12:43] <ThomasWinwood> Windows basically did all this for me, so I'm slightly clueless.
[12:43] <Rubin> thread: hmm. you could run tcpdump in another window to see what your sending/recieving
[12:43] <topyli> ThomasWinwood: what does your /etc/network/interfaces say about eth0?
[12:44] <Janux> hi, where do you see how much memory your system has in Ubuntu?
[12:44] <ThomasWinwood> map eth0
[12:44] <ThomasWinwood> iface eth0 inet dhcp
[12:44] <topyli> that's all?
[12:44] <topyli> ah
[12:44] <ThomasWinwood> auto eth0
[12:44] <Cine> well this is a fun game... now they are supposedly encrypted and can't be opened... the WMV files that is
[12:44] <TetrisMaster> can anyone tell me how to add my second HDD to the GNOME desktop like in KDE
[12:44] <thread> Rubin: I tried ethereal earlier... saw a whole slew of arp queries and stuff that were coming from the network ... I know I'm connected
[12:44] <topyli> ThomasWinwood: i don't know what "map eth0" means. otherwise it seems ok
[12:45] <Rubin> thread: do you see any dhcp replies when you ifup eth0?
[12:45] <TetrisMaster> i added my second HDD to the fstab but i have to go routing threw /mnt/ to get my files from it
[12:45] <thread> Rubin: none. zero.
[12:45] <ThomasWinwood> I notice when I do dhclient it DHCPDISCOVERs to 255.255.255.255.
[12:45] <TetrisMaster> i would like to be able to add the device as a file on the desktop
[12:46] <topyli> ThomasWinwood: that's bad
[12:46] <Rubin> thread: sure sounds like the dhcp server is not responding to you. maybe its out of leases
[12:46] <Janux> hi, anyone knows how to check how much physical memory you have in your system in Linux? like what command?
[12:46] <Rubin> Janux: free -m
[12:46] <thread> Rubin: dosen't make sense... if that was the case, it would only be temporary
[12:46] <thread> Rubin: this hasn't been working for a few hrs now...
[12:46] <nickrud> TetrisMaster, open /mnt with nautilus, and middle button drag the folder you want to the desktop, and choose link
[12:46] <Rubin> thread: other people are working?
[12:46] <topyli> ThomasWinwood: if you do "ifconfig", do you have an "inet address" for eth0 there?
[12:46] <Rubin> thread: run iptables -L
[12:46] <thread> Rubin: erm.. dont' know for sure
[12:46] <Rubin> make sure everything is 'allow'
[12:46] <mattgirv> Hey
[12:47] <ThomasWinwood> I have an inet6 address.
[12:47] <Janux> Rubin, thank you
[12:47] <topyli> ThomasWinwood: no plain inet?
[12:47] <ThomasWinwood> No.
[12:47] <topyli> that's bad as well
[12:47] <mattgirv> I have a Sony Clie (PalmOS Device) and I cannot, for the life of me, get gnome-pilot to see it at all.
[12:48] <Janux> Rubin, o...how do you know this? like did you search on Google? read books? or you go through your entire linux and try commands?
[12:48] <topyli> ThomasWinwood: dhcp is not working, but you know that already. i think the problem is not in your box
[12:48] <ThomasWinwood> topyli: If we go to PM you can help me more easily there.
[12:48] <sagara> hi all, in cshell how do i add a value to my $PATH enviromental variable?
[12:48] <Rubin> Janux: i prolly found it by someone talking about it on irc 6 years ago :)
[12:48] <topyli> ThomasWinwood: not really, i'm out of ideas
[12:48] <ThomasWinwood> Ah.
[12:48] <Rubin> Janux: but, ls /usr/bin and type "man xxx" on everything you see there
[12:48] <topyli> ThomasWinwood: all i could guess is your box is not the problem
[12:48] <thread> Rubin: I'm in knoppix... I do pump, and I get eth0: transmit timed out, resetting. Operation failed.
[12:48] <Rubin> Janux: and there are books
[12:49] <thread> Rubin: iptables -L, all 3 chains are policy ACCEPT
[12:49] <Rubin> thread: wonder if a transmit pair in your ethernet cord got damaged
[12:49] <Cine> stuff like this makes me miss windows just a bit... :(  any other suggestions on the WMV file front?
[12:49] <Janux> Rubin, ic...o..what's the difference between /bin and /usr/bin ?
[12:49] <topyli> ThomasWinwood: do you have any live CD linuxes like knoppix there?
[12:49] <ThomasWinwood> Not onhand.
[12:49] <topyli> would be a good test
[12:49] <Rubin> Janux: /bin is stuff the system needs to boot and mount drives.. /usr/bin is everything else
[12:49] <Benoni> The 5.04 release notes mention installing from USB devices.  However, all the installers I see are CD-sized ".iso" images.  What am I missing?
[12:50] <ThomasWinwood> I remember there was a hassle to get DHCP working on Knoppix.
[12:50] <holycow> ThomasWinwood, whats the issue again? your post is out of my buffer range
[12:50] <CarlK> Benoni - a CD sized thumb drive ;)
[12:50] <holycow> rofl, yet another scanner, plug it in and it works
[12:50] <holycow> killer
[12:50] <ThomasWinwood> holycow: No DHCP.
[12:50] <Rubin> Janux: some people put /usr/bin on another computer, or different hard drive, so they need 'the basics' to boot up and mount it
[12:50] <Benoni> CarlK: Ah.  Drat.
[12:50] <CarlK> Benoni - I don;t know really - don't mind me
[12:50] <Janux> Rubin, ic....sounds fun....
[12:50] <Benoni> CarlK: Oh, in that case ... thppt!  :-P
[12:51] <Xappe> Cine, did you try my method? worked for me...
[12:51] <CarlK> Benoni, yeah yeah... but I can tell you what worked for me..
[12:51] <Cine> what was that Xappe?
[12:51] <Rubin> Janux: also see 'man -k keyword' tho its not very good
[12:51] <Cine> I must have missed it
[12:51] <CarlK> Benoni - https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/LocalNetInstall
[12:51] <holycow> ThomasWinwood, where do you recieve your dhcp offer from? router?
[12:51] <ThomasWinwood> Yep.
[12:51] <ThomasWinwood> 192.168.1.1
[12:52] <Janux> Rubin, okay....I am checking out the Ubuntu web site now for setting up my windows shared printer.
[12:52] <Xappe> Cine: totem-xine and the essential codecs from the mplayer site unpacked in /home/user/.gnome2/totem-addons
[12:52] <smouche> Rubin, could one also use a usb stick instead of GRUB, for multiboots?
[12:52] <Benoni> Thanks for the pointer, CarlK.  I hereby un-thppt you.  :-D
[12:52] <Rubin> Janux: good luck with that. printers are not easy in linux yet :(
[12:52] <holycow> can you manually set your ip to 192.168.1.2 and try pinging your router? or getting in to its web config?
[12:52] <CarlK> Benoni - na, i deserved it ;)
[12:52] <Cine> ok, I'll give that a shot
[12:52] <ThomasWinwood> I doubt it.
[12:52] <holycow> system > admin > networking
[12:52] <holycow> try it
[12:52] <abstractism> hey all
[12:52] <mattgirv> I have a Sony Clie (PalmOS Device) and I cannot, for the life of me, get gnome-pilot to see it at all.
[12:52] <ThomasWinwood> Already did. That dialog helps little.
[12:53] <thread> Rubin: I searched 'DHCP' in the tcpdump when I did a pump, and all I see is lines with 'request' ...
[12:53] <abstractism> I got some dirt on my problem
[12:53] <ThomasWinwood> It's all function and no help.
[12:53] <Janux> Rubin, ya...thanks though
[12:53] <holycow> actually it helps a lot, eh no, wrong
[12:53] <abstractism> with hardware accelerated graphics
[12:53] <dell500> just wondering, but is it possible for ubuntu to do 3daccel with ATI cards??
[12:53] <ThomasWinwood> What's a "location"?
[12:53] <topyli> Cine: you can apt-get the codecs in a nice package from the marillat repository
[12:53] <abstractism> (II) fglrx(0): Kernel Module Version Information: (II) fglrx(0):     Name: fglrx (II) fglrx(0):     Version: 8.8.25 (II) fglrx(0):     Date: Jan 14 2005 (II) fglrx(0):     Desc: ATI FireGL DRM kernel module (WW) fglrx(0): Kernel Module version does *not* match driver. (EE) fglrx(0): incompatible kernel module detected - HW accelerated OpenGL will not work
[12:53] <Rubin> thread: so either the DHCP server is seeing your discover queries, and ignoring you, or its not seeing them at all
[12:53] <holycow> the help is knowledge, one cannot proffer knowledge through popus and wizards despite ms's best efforts to the contrary :)
[12:53] <holycow> ThomasWinwood, what that means is your network card is hosed, get another one, or replace router
[12:54] <mvelasco2> where can I get free nxserver from?
[12:54] <holycow> ThomasWinwood, you wont  be able to tell otherwise which is bad, but one of them is
[12:54] <thread> Rubin: hmm... well I guess I'll just cry about it then :/
[12:54] <abstractism> how can I get the right version for my kernel?
[12:54] <Rubin> thread: give your knoppix a try, maybe call the net folks
[12:54] <holycow> abstractism, uname -a
[12:55] <thread> Rubin: that was knoppix I was just on
[12:55] <dell500> abstractism: what vid card??
[12:55] <Rubin> hrm
[12:55] <abstractism> 2.6.10-5-386
[12:55] <Rubin> try another cable?
[12:55] <Rubin> try another network jack
[12:55] <Rubin> etc
[12:55] <thechitowncubs> Hey everyone, for some reason... in the theme preferences, it doesn't show me a preview any more?
[12:55] <abstractism> and I have an ATI radeon 9800 Pro
[12:55] <holycow> actually that too, what rueben said
[12:55] <thread> Rubin: weird part is the same thing happens with the wireless where it used to get an ip.
[12:55] <dell500> sweeet
[12:55] <Cine> topyli, the w32codecs?  I did that already, no go...
[12:55] <thechitowncubs> Is there something that I need to rebuild, or something like that
[12:55] <dell500> you gettin close to figuring it out?? :)
[12:55] <mole_> quick question: how can I fix the bad signature problem with the update archives
[12:55] <thread> Rubin: honestly, though, the wireless has been flakey.. sometimes getting an ip and sometimes failing to dhcp one up...
[12:56] <mole_> Can't find an answer on the FA
[12:56] <Cine> This file is encrypted and cannot be played back.    damnit, thats annoying...
[12:56] <dell500> i tried for almost 3 weeks to get 3d accel to work with my 9600xt
[12:56] <Rubin> thread: i wouldnt be surprised if your uni's dhcp server is down or something
[12:56] <mole_> FA = FAQ
[12:56] <mole_> or wiki
[12:56] <Rubin> thread: i have a lot of trouble with wireless as well
[12:56] <thread> Rubin: any wireless tips? :)
[12:56] <oscarh> hi, anyone who can help me figure out what i have missed when adding my own keymap to x?
[12:56] <closure> abstractism, there's a bit of problems with the ATI cards
[12:56] <oscarh> xkb even
[12:56] <travisnux> Hi everyone
[12:56] <travisnux> I'm french
[12:56] <closure> my TV out doesn't work for crap
[12:56] <dell500> closure: like them sucking :)
[12:56] <travisnux> I've just install ubuntu
[12:56] <Rubin> thread: write a letter to the manuf demanding they open the specs so people can write proper drivers
[12:56] <travisnux> and i've a problem
[12:57] <travisnux> I don't know the root password
[12:57] <dell500> lol
[12:57] <dell500> that sucks travis
[12:57] <Rubin> transgress: sudo -s
[12:57] <oscarh> travisnux, there is none
[12:57] <Rubin> then type your USER password
[12:57] <topyli> Cine: rhm
[12:57] <oscarh> or, there is...
[12:57] <closure> dell500, you seem to be quite angry were you touched by an ati card as a young boy?
[12:57] <dell500> lol
[12:57] <oscarh> transgress, but you shouldn't use it
[12:57] <oscarh> sudo is the way
[12:57] <travisnux> in the installation he hasn't asked to define a password
[12:57] <Cine> rhm?
[12:57] <dell500> no, i just didn't like trying to get 3d accel to work, it was the bain of my existence when i was working on fedora
[12:57] <dell500> it sucked
[12:58] <Rubin> transgress: ubuntu doesnt use root that way.
[12:58] <topyli> it used to be a topic here: no ati vs nvidia flames here
[12:58] <thechitowncubs> Any ideas?
[12:58] <oscarh> travisnux, its some md5 hash now i believe
[12:58] <closure> dell500, i was abused by a CDR drive for years
[12:58] <cusco> how is it that I change the local char encoding please?
[12:58] <dell500> closure: oh, i hear ya, as was i.... as was i
[12:58] <holycow> closure, rofl
[12:58] <cusco> the default is utf-8 I would like to have iso8859-15
[12:58] <oscarh> travisnux, if you really want to become root for a while sudo -s
[12:59] <closure> dell500, not to mention 14.4k dial up i mean there is only so much a boy can go through before he just lashes out you know?
[12:59] <travisnux> he ask a password
[12:59] <dell500> nice chattin, i'll be up on ubuntu soon :)
[12:59] <closure> dell500, are you a developer for ubuntu? you mentioned working on fedora
[12:59] <dell500> closure, oh of course
[12:59] <oscarh> travisnux, type your user passwerd
[12:59] <Goonie> Flash stopped working when I upgraded to Hoary.. anyone had this problem?
[12:59] <dell500> nope, just meddled with fedora a bit (2 that is)
[12:59] <closure> dell500, ahh
[12:59] <holycow> Goonie, appearently installing the non free version worked for one person
[01:00] <dell500> didn't really like it, not much support and the forum/community was very lacking in helping newbs, ubuntu seems more newbie friendly than most
[01:00] <closure> dell500, perhaps you can answer my question wtf is the latest gaim not in the ubuntu repositories and there is no deb pkg for it
[01:00] <Goonie> holycow~ thx.. gonna give that a try
[01:00] <holycow> Goonie, alternatively google that on the ubuntu website, there is another fix wher eyou haveto change a variable in a text file
[01:00] <travisnux> yes it's good
[01:00] <dell500> closure: that sounds like a google query :)
[01:00] <travisnux> but why we cann't log in root ?
[01:00] <Rubin> travisnux: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[01:00] <cusco> sudo su
[01:00] <oscarh> travisnux, why would you want to?
[01:00] <dell500> closure, i've yet to use ubuntu, i'm dling as we speak on my speedy cable line that i love oh so much :)
[01:01] <closure> dell500, that's what i'm liking about it this is my first desktop based linux box so i'm digging the support with ubuntu(though technically i run kubuntu)
[01:01] <eb0x> What can I use to play .RM files?
[01:01] <Cine> grrr.... where is the "make it work just like windows button cuz I'm too dumb to get all this stuff working on my own"?
[01:01] <eb0x> I tried installing RealPlayer 3 times, but it didn't work
[01:01] <dell500> what's kubuntu??
[01:01] <thechitowncubs> KDE ubuntu
[01:01] <mattgirv> I have a Sony Clie (PalmOS Device) and I cannot, for the life of me, get gnome-pilot to see it at all.
[01:01] <dell500> oooo
[01:01] <dell500> neato
[01:01] <oscarh> Rubin, how does you guys come up with those links that fast?
[01:01] <Goonie> holycow~ nope... that didn't work
[01:01] <closure> dell500, lucky you remember that cdr i mentioned? well the pos broke a while back and i had to wait about 2 months for the cds to get here
[01:01] <thechitowncubs> not the best of kde distros (YET)
[01:01] <travisnux> I want to know the root password
[01:01] <oscarh> Rubin, huge clippboard?
[01:01] <travisnux> lol
[01:01] <dell500> that sucks
[01:01] <Rubin> oscarh: i read it yesterday and remembered where it was
[01:02] <oscarh> travisnux, you have to set it if you really want to log in as root
[01:02] <DarwinsBUlldog> Ubuntu is the first gnome distro that I have liked. I tried FC3 and hated gnome on that.
[01:02] <dell500> what comes with ubuntu?? like does it run gnome or can you switch to kde, or is that an addon ??
[01:02] <abbot45> Are they having issues with Icon Sets in Hoary?  None of them work.
[01:02] <oscarh> travisnux, but you are supposed to use sudo
[01:02] <abstractism> ok, trying something new
[01:02] <abstractism> bbiab
[01:02] <thechitowncubs> dell: you can easily switch by installing kubuntu-desktop
[01:02] <oscarh> travisnux, read the articla Rubin posted a link to
[01:02] <dell500> neato!
[01:02] <closure> dell500, ubuntu comes with gnome. you can switch to kde if you like though
[01:02] <thechitowncubs> that will install KDE (kubuntu) and gnome (ubuntu)
[01:02] <DarwinsBUlldog> dell, it intalls gnome but you can install kde afterwards
[01:02] <dell500> i can't wait to get my hands on this, i'm so excited
[01:03] <thechitowncubs> but if you want to install seperate kde packages, you can do that also
[01:03] <dell500> sweet ass :)
[01:03] <Rubin> they did a lot of work making gnome seamless and integrated
[01:03] <eb0x> What can I use to play .RM files?
[01:03] <dell500> k, well i got another 25 minutes left on the live cd
[01:03] <Rubin> im not sure the kde stuff is as finished yet
[01:03] <dell500> so i'll bbl
[01:03] <thechitowncubs> eb0x: realplayer
[01:03] <thechitowncubs> www.ubuntuguide.org
[01:03] <eb0x> RealPlayer won't install
[01:03] <topyli> eb0x: you can install realpleyre
[01:03] <Super_Cat_Frog> eb0x - mplayer
[01:03] <Cine> hmm... now I'm thinkin' these files are just corrupt...
[01:03] <topyli> eb0x: how are you trying?
[01:03] <eb0x> using the bin file
[01:03] <closure> dell500, if you don't wish to have gnome anymore you can delete it by removing gnomelibs2.0 and it will destroy pretty much everything that is gnome oriented.
[01:03] <eb0x> And it seems to install fine
[01:03] <abbot45> eb0x: it should work.  real offers a linux version.
[01:04] <eb0x> But it doesnt open
[01:04] <Xappe> no, goddamn, i'm tired. goodnight
[01:04] <topyli> eb0x: where did you install it? it asks you
[01:04] <closure> dell500, though if you will more than likely reinstall that individual package as it's required for many apps
[01:04] <Super_Cat_Frog> eb0x - add universe to the repo's and apt-get install w32codecs
[01:04] <eb0x> topyli: /home/eb0x
[01:04] <eb0x> And i went in there
[01:04] <abbot45> Are they having issues with Icon Sets in Hoary?
[01:04] <eb0x> and typed ./realplay
[01:04] <eb0x> And it doesnt do anything
[01:04] <eb0x> Super_Cat_Frog: Ok
[01:05] <dell500> i like gnome, i just wanna see what KDE's new stuff is like :)
[01:05] <closure> dell500, also if you know you want KDE you can just get kubuntu from www.kubuntu.org
[01:05] <topyli> eb0x: in that directory, is there in fact a file named realplay?
[01:05] <topyli> if you do ls
[01:05] <eb0x> topyli: Yes
[01:06] <closure> dell500, to each their own gnome ran sluggish as balls to me and i find kde more customizeable(is that a word?)
[01:06] <dell500> is it easy to install KDE??
[01:06] <dell500> closure, ya, that's what i want :)
[01:06] <eb0x> Super_Cat_Frog: How do I add universe?
[01:06] <eb0x> Besides through Synaptic
[01:06] <topyli> do ls -l realplay
[01:06] <closure> dell500, yeah it's real easy to install
[01:06] <topyli> eb0x: is it executable?
[01:06] <dell500> closure: kool, you gonna be around in a bit??
[01:06] <eb0x> -rwxr-xr-x  1 501 501 2481 2005-04-26 15:57 realplay
[01:06] <closure> yeah sure
[01:07] <dell500> closure: i'll bbl, gonna do some chemistry, then come up in a bit and burn the cds and install, hopefully all will go well
[01:07] <closure> dell500, shoot me a line when you get ubuntu up and i'll give you a hand getting KDE
[01:07] <Cine> ok, what about an application for fixing corrupt video files?
[01:07] <dell500> sweet, thanks
[01:07] <dell500> i'll bbl
[01:07] <closure> dell500, cool ttyl
[01:08] <thread> Rubin: should I be using whereami? waproamd? what's the best way to handle my networking in ubuntu? I got netapplet. that sort of works.
[01:08] <topyli> eb0x: now i know. it's esd. do "killall esd" and run it again
[01:11] <NTolerance> has anyone here tried to run the Sega Genesis emulator Gens in Ubunut?
[01:11] <NTolerance> Ubuntu rather
[01:13] <dazzed_>  /msg nickserv dazzed dbacks
[01:13] <ThomasWinwood> Gens worked under WINE when I tried it (when I had Linux working).
[01:13] <Rubin> uh-oh
[01:14] <thechitowncubs> Hey everyone, for some reason... in the theme preferences, it doesn't show me a preview any more?
[01:14] <thechitowncubs> Is there something that I need to rebuild, or something like that
[01:14] <samuel> sup all
[01:14] <darkaudit> what do I need to open .ace archives?
[01:15] <thread> Rubin: dhcp decided it wanted to work just then
[01:15] <ThomasWinwood> WinACE.
[01:15] <samuel> anyone here had some luck getting powernowd to work with intel?
[01:15] <CarlK> samuel - I hear it works as is, but many people don't understand what it should be doing
[01:16] <CarlK> er, maybe not should, but why it does what it does
[01:17] <PSUstoekl> hey guys, I'm new to ubuntu or whatever...need to know what you think...
[01:17] <PSUstoekl> (how big is it, what can I use it for, etc.)
[01:17] <thechitowncubs> PSU: you can do everything you can in windows
[01:17] <thechitowncubs> its all free'
[01:17] <thechitowncubs> its all good
[01:17] <thechitowncubs> try it!
[01:17] <CarlK> it doesn't piss me off like windows does....
[01:17] <PSUstoekl> can it run an irc client of some kind?
[01:17] <spawn> lol
[01:18] <NTolerance> I'm only getting about 27fps in Gens
[01:18] <yfir> PSUstoekl: it's like buying a car and finding out that the hood hasn't been welded shut
[01:18] <samuel> CarlK, well, it does work "as is" but it doesnt really throttle down anything much - it does every now and again, but ive tried changing the options but with no luck to reduce power usage
[01:18] <NTolerance> I get a full 60+ in ZSNES w/ hq4x enabled
[01:18] <NTolerance> so i dunno what the problem is
[01:18] <Rubin> thread: it heard us plotting
[01:19] <CarlK> samuel - i think it only kicks in when you are on battery, and then when CPU is below the threshold
[01:19] <NTolerance> my powernowd works out of the box
[01:19] <NTolerance> throttles realtime
[01:19] <NTolerance> mine works on AC power
[01:19] <Levander> Anybody converted dovecot and postfix IMAP to use maildir instead of mbox?
[01:19] <CarlK> samuel - but I didn't care much so I didn't get into it too much.  Other than the basic gripe was "I don't like what it does on my P4"
[01:19] <samuel> CarlK, what NTolerance said as far as i can tell
[01:20] <Levander> just wondering if I need to figure out how to configure only dovecot, or dovecot and postfix
[01:20] <samuel> but it throttles down to 50% for like 1% of the time, the rest its at 100% cpu freq
[01:20] <Rubin> i have a dell insperon8200 and the gnome power mon thing says 75% always. i havnt had the time te figure out if its really at 75% or if powernowd is working etc
[01:20] <treke> Levander: pretty simple do do, you need to set the delivery location for postfix
[01:20] <treke> Levander: otherwise it should just work
[01:20] <Levander> treke: and do nothing with postfix?
[01:21] <treke> postfix is what does the deliver
[01:21] <treke> delivery
[01:21] <Seq> were there any differences between the hoary rc installation cd and the release isntallation cd (other than maybe a few packages i can just upgrade with apt)?
[01:21] <treke> so you have to tell it where to put things
[01:21] <Seq> or is it worth it to download the hoary cd for a fresh install
[01:21] <Levander> treke: so postfix just delivers to dovecot?  postfix doesn't have to know anything about mbox or maildir?
[01:21] <treke> postfix doesnt deliver to dovecot
[01:21] <treke> all dovecot does is hands out access to a maildir
[01:22] <treke> postfix can either deliver to an mbox or maildir or hand off to something like procmail
[01:22] <Levander> treke: so you do have to configure postfix to use maildir also?
[01:22] <treke> I personally hand the mail off to procmail and tell it to put things in my maildir
[01:22] <samuel> how about laptop-net vs laptop-netconf... they do the same thing afaik?
[01:22] <Levander> treke: why would you use postfix at all? why not just have postfix do it?
[01:23] <treke> Levander: you can check the postfix faq for the syntax
[01:23] <treke> Levander: because all postfix knows how to do is put a message in a maildir, I want more intelligent filtering
[01:23] <Levander> treke: just pulled up the postfix faq, thanks
[01:23] <treke> search for maildir
[01:23] <Levander> treke: like what kind of filtering? briefly, basically
[01:24] <treke> I filter mailing list messages into their own mailboxes. passing mail through a spam filter
[01:24] <treke> that sort of thing
[01:24] <yfir> procmail is pretty much a must-have
[01:24] <Levander> treke: that does sound like a good idea, i have to put my filters on every mail client I use
[01:24] <Levander> kind of sucks
[01:24] <treke> yeah, I agree
[01:25] <XandriX> mako, u there ???
[01:25] <Levander> procmail isn't configured by default in hoary is it? or do I have to configure procmail also?
[01:25] <Levander> just to get procmail used, not necessarily to do the filtering would I expect it to possibly be configured by default in hoary
[01:26] <XandriX> mako, are u there ???????
[01:26] <phasegen> I'm about to dump ubuntu.  They have to get some clear-defined easy support for us noobs.  If I don't have a place to start, how can I ever get good?  You can't hand me two rocks and a stick, and say build a skyscraper...
[01:26] <treke> honestly I couldnt say. my postfic config is fairly customized
[01:27] <Levander> well, it's already installed on my system.
[01:27] <Levander> think I'm going to convert to maildir first
[01:27] <treke> check /etc/postfix.conf
[01:27] <Levander> then maybe procmail after
[01:27] <SeamusLP> phasegen:  The wiki is infinitely useful.
[01:27] <DarwinsBUlldog> phasegen, I doubt you will find any other distro any easier to use.
[01:27] <treke> look for the mailbox_command line
[01:27] <SeamusLP> phasegen:  By your analogy I'd say they're practically giving you the skyscraper.
[01:28] <DarwinsBUlldog> All Linux distro's require you to RTFM. At least you get a M to RTF. Windows does not bother these days with stuff like documentation
[01:28] <HrdwrBoB> phasegen: what do you want to do?
[01:28] <phasegen> SeamusLP:  The wiki has nothing for why I can't access the net or configure a connection without enabling root, then it only works in root
[01:29] <Levander> treke: yeah, i looked, it's not set to anything, don't think I'm currenty running procmail
[01:29] <SeamusLP> phasegen:  Sudo :)
[01:29] <treke> uncomment the line and mail would go to postfix
[01:29] <phasegen> It's humiliating to have to go to my windows machine for help
[01:29] <HrdwrBoB> phasegen: can you clarify that exactly
[01:29] <HrdwrBoB> phasegen: that's not typical behaviour, btw
[01:30] <phasegen> sudo won't work, for some reason it won't access my pcmcia card modem
[01:30] <ThomasWinwood> I think phasegen is suffering from the OS equivalent of culture shock.
[01:30] <fightingfortofu> any one up for walking me through installing ati drivers and getting tv out to work or possibly point me to a guide with newbies in mind?
[01:30] <Levander> hey, how did this file /etc/readahead show up on my system in the last day or so?
[01:30] <HrdwrBoB> phasegen: sudo is not hardware dependant
[01:30] <HrdwrBoB> eg: try and run sudo ls
[01:30] <ThomasWinwood> And remember why it's a wiki - YOU TOO can add to it!
[01:31] <Epix> hi. my ubuntu froze! it wont ssh or respond to ping!
[01:31] <Epix> rebot?
[01:31] <DarwinsBUlldog> I cannot see why something would work with root enabled but not when you sudo
[01:31] <Delph> Epix: unless you can get control of it somehow, then it's probably not worth prodding.
[01:31] <gijosh> Hey.  For the past day or so, Ubuntu has been freezing up on me quite a bit.  The file manager won't start, firefox freeks out when I try to dl something, the image viewing programs won't start, etc.
[01:32] <Epix> Delph: its the second time its happened in 48 hrs
[01:32] <g14> gijosh: You use the nvidia video card?
[01:32] <ThomasWinwood> P.S. Can anyone help with iwconfig returning "operation not supported" when I input the WEP key?
[01:32] <gijosh> g14: yup.
[01:32] <Delph> Epix: time to start digging in the logs and find out what's going on, then.
[01:32] <phasegen> All I know is it won't recognize the card modem without enabling the root account and logging in to it.  Sudo won't  work.  And you're not supposed to access the net as root, right?
[01:32] <Epix> Delph: ok, can youwalk me through this? reboot first?
[01:32] <g14> gijosh: Thats a known issue. If you want to be crazy and update to breezy, I think it will fix some things
[01:32] <gijosh> breezy?
[01:32] <Delph> Epix: nope. Not cos i'm being evil, just because I'm going now.
[01:32] <fightingfortofu> :(
[01:33] <gijosh> g14:  And realy hasn't been buggy for the past couple days.  And I've been using Ubuntu for about a month in a half now
[01:33] <HrdwrBoB> fightingfortofu: BinaryDriverHowTo on the wiki
[01:33] <Epix> Delph: wait one sec
[01:33] <Delph> Epix: reboot, then have a look at the contents of your log files... see if there's anything there which is sounding like a complaint.
[01:33] <SeamusLP> gijosh:  Bad ram could be an explanation.
[01:33] <Epix> Delph: whats the log name?
[01:33] <Delph> Epix: there's lots of them: have a look at anything in /var/log/
[01:33] <gijosh> seamusLP:  Hrm, I hope not.  My computers getting old, that could be it.
[01:33] <Epix> Delph: bye, tnks
[01:33] <gijosh> SeamusLP:  Any good programs to test it?
[01:33] <fightingfortofu> hrdrbob, thanks!
[01:34] <g14> gijosh: Alot of people with nvidia cards noticed stability problems with ubuntu. I read somewhere about this being fixed in breezy
[01:34] <gobeavs> any cluster users here? Is openmosix good, or I have heard about OSCAR....?
[01:34] <SeamusLP> gijosh:  Search for memtest86.  You'll have to put it on a floppy or burn it to a CD, then boot into it.
[01:35] <gijosh> SeamusLP:  Thanks, man.
[01:35] <Rubin> i have nvidia, it crashed in x after 30 seconds with the 2.6.11 kern. .10 works ok but there are some video artifacts
[01:35] <treke> or if you're running ubuntu, it should already be in your grub config :p
[01:35] <PHPWannabe> SeamusLP: memtest86 is a boot option by default for Hoary
[01:35] <dazzed> gijosh: theres a memtest86 in ur grub u dont need to download it
[01:36] <SeamusLP> PHPWannabe:  forgot about that.
[01:36] <gijosh> dazzed:  COolness.  I'l reboot into it
[01:36] <fightingfortofu> hrdrbob, what is the binarydriverhowto under on the wiki page?
[01:37] <HrdwrBoB> fightingfortofu: hangon
[01:37] <ThomasWinwood> P.S. Can anyone help with iwconfig returning "operation not supported" when I input the WEP key?
[01:38] <ThomasWinwood> The same occurs for the ESSID.
[01:38] <g14> ThomasWinwood: are you using sudo iwconfig?
[01:38] <kakalto> does anyone have any ideas why my sound might not work now, even though it used to?
[01:39] <kakalto> the only thing I remember changing, was installing america's army
[01:39] <kakalto> but sound worked for that
[01:39] <kakalto> not any more
[01:39] <Epix> Delph: you still around?
[01:39] <darko__> i just did chown kris <--which is me * -R from / because i haven't used my user account since i started with linux 2 months ago, do you think it will go alright?
[01:40] <Epix> ok, i think my computer locks up on cron.daily
[01:40] <Epix> after that it says local exit on status 15
[01:41] <g14> darko: You did chown kris * -R / ?
[01:41] <g14> darko: Thats going to mess up ALOT of things
[01:41] <treke> hehe that's not a good thing :p
[01:41] <dell500> what's the version of ubuntu out??
[01:41] <dell500> 5.4....
[01:41] <bet0x> hi all
[01:41] <bet0x> how i see where is my cdrom
[01:41] <bet0x> i lost my cdrom
[01:41] <bet0x> :s
[01:41] <lsnet> any hints on getting evolution to work on hoary amd64? mine says starting but then disappears
[01:42] <DarwinsBUlldog> 5.04, not 5.4
[01:42] <Epix> anyone???
[01:43] <Epix> someone please help me :(?
[01:44] <darko__> g14: well can't i just undo it with chown root * -R?
[01:44] <ThomasWinwood> Can anyone help with iwconfig returning "operation not supported" when I input the WEP key?
[01:44] <darko__> or someway else..
[01:45] <spawn> http://www.pcworld.com/reviews/article/0,aid,120520,00.asp
[01:45] <g14> darko: No that will mess up alot of things that should never be owned by root
[01:45] <Janux> hi, I have a shared windows printer, I made it to work but then when I print something from OOo, the margins are very weird, I have changed paper to US Letter but that doesn't help, any clue?
[01:45] <g14> rpm has an option to restore permissions. Does anyone know if dpkg has a similar option?
[01:46] <^thehatsrule^> remove
[01:46] <nickrud> apt-get install --reinstall
[01:46] <nickrud> g14 ^^
[01:47] <g14> nickrud: You mean that deb doesn't store file permissions so he has to reinstall everything?
[01:47] <nickrud> g14, there may be a way with dpkg, but this works for me :)
[01:47] <g14> nickrud: It's pretty easy to fix that with an rpm based distro
[01:47] <g14> nickrud: That is way overkill
[01:47] <transgress> anyone have problems getting the following to emerge:
[01:47] <treke> the other problem with chown root -R / is that chown drops the suid flags on things that need to be suid
[01:48] <transgress> [ebuild     U ]  dev-libs/cdk-4.9.11.20031210-r1 [4.9.10.20020809] 
[01:48] <transgress> [ebuild     U ]  media-libs/libsdl-1.2.8-r1 [1.2.7-r3] 
[01:48] <transgress> [ebuild     U ]  sys-apps/kbd-1.12-r4 [1.12-r3] 
[01:48] <nickrud> g14, it retains my config files, so I'm happy
[01:48] <mikeco> um
[01:48] <g14> transgress: Maybe you should try #gentoo ?
[01:48] <Ironfrost> I downloaded a package that's a source tar.gz
[01:48] <mikeco> haha
[01:48] <Ironfrost> what do I do with it?
[01:48] <nullaresnata> lol
[01:48] <mikeco> with a tar.gz or gentoo?
[01:49] <closure> i have a question if i were to get apps from the breezy repos but not upgrade my base would there be a conflict?
[01:49] <Ironfrost> with a tar.gz
[01:49] <g14> Ironfrost: tar -zxvf whateverfilename.tar.gz
[01:49] <Ironfrost> I'm supposed to compile the thing, but no idea how
[01:49] <darko__> Ironfrost: you compile the contents
[01:49] <g14> Ironfrost: Then you cd to the directory it makes
[01:49] <darko__> read the README and INSTALL
[01:49] <fightingfortofu> hrdwrbob, ?
[01:49] <g14> Ironfrost: then do ./configure && make && make install
[01:49] <darko__> but it's probably just ./cnofigure
[01:49] <darko__> ./configure
[01:49] <darko__> make
[01:49] <darko__> make install
[01:50] <raydogg> I have this new motherboard, with the onboard nic enabled, ubuntu doesn't boot up, so i disable it, but how do i get it to work if i can't enable it ???
[01:50] <spawn> why are the Ubuntu CDs free?
[01:50] <Zindar> spawn: why not? are you complaining?
[01:50] <raydogg> spawn, donations?
[01:50] <spawn> is it because of the gazillionair Mark Shuttleworth?
[01:50] <g14> darko: placing && after the commands like I did will do one after the other only if the previous command completed sucessfully
[01:50] <spawn> no, lol
[01:50] <spawn> just wondering
[01:50] <Zindar> spawm: most likely has something to do with it :)
[01:50] <darko__> haha
[01:50] <spawn> lol, thought so
[01:50] <darko__> not
[01:51] <raydogg> he might be collecting names and and addresses, and then selling them :-)
[01:51] <raydogg> j/k
[01:51] <spawn> lol
[01:51] <Zindar> I doubt that.. meet him yesterday.. seams like a nice guy :)
[01:51] <raydogg> in person ? Was there a convention?
[01:51] <thechitowncubs> In the gimp,i accidently detached the tool options, how can i attach it to the main window again?
[01:51] <spawn> he sounds kick ass
[01:51] <Zindar> yeah.. Ubuntu down under
[01:51] <raydogg> in au?
[01:51] <spawn> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Shuttleworth
[01:51] <Zindar> yes
[01:51] <Ironfrost> OK, I need OpenGL - does Ubuntu come with that?
[01:51] <raydogg> Just a little out of my way :-)
[01:52] <Ironfrost> I can't find it on Synaptic
[01:52] <Janux> Ironfrost, get Mesa3D
[01:53] <fightingfortofu> whats the command again to get the kernal version
[01:53] <raydogg> i've got the driver for this network card, do I need to patch the ubuntu kernel ?
[01:53] <CarlK> uname -a
[01:54] <fightingfortofu> carlk, thanks!
[01:54] <CarlK> no prob
[01:54] <ThomasWinwood> How do I set a WEP key? iwconfig says "invalid argument".
[01:55] <g14> ThomasWinwood: Well what are you typing?
[01:55] <ThomasWinwood> iwconfig eth0 key <key>
[01:55] <ThomasWinwood> With sudo.
[01:56] <fightingfortofu> is anyone aware of a better method of getting ati drivers working other than http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=22496&page=2&pp=10
[01:56] <E4Josh> hey I have a few questions about ubuntu. Like does it support dvds natively or will i have to search for libdvdcss and does it support printer memory card ports cause I have an HP photosmart 7660
[01:56] <raydogg> Why would the kernel panic if i have the onboard nic enabled ?
[01:56] <raydogg> Do i have to patch it?
[01:57] <ThomasWinwood> E4Josh: Certainly it mounts DVDs natively. Playing them is another matter.
[01:57] <E4Josh> sorry i mean playing them
[01:57] <ThomasWinwood> ...mounting a DVD sounds vaguely kinky.
[01:57] <E4Josh> lol
[01:57] <transgress> ThomasWinwood: don't... it hurts
[01:58] <g14> ThomasWinwood: the key should be 10 digits all numbers
[01:58] <g14> The reason I NEVER use WEP: http://whoppix.h07.org/Whoppix-wireless.html
[01:58] <ThomasWinwood> Thanks for the warning. And gl4 - most of it is nonprinting and is 26 bytes long.
[01:58] <holycow> can anyone explain to me how to get the encrypted /home dir like in osx on linux? what applications are involved in setting that up?  is it at the filesystem level?
[01:59] <g14> ThomasWinwood: Watch the video in that link I gave you.
[01:59] <] BreliC[> has anyone ever gotten this message: "Registry is not present or it is corrupted. Please update it by running gst-register" ?  I get this when running the CD Player, plus my volume no longer exists (can't set it)?
[01:59] <ThomasWinwood> I barely have enough memory in this dinosaur to run IE let alone a movie.
[02:00] <g14> ThomasWinwood: It is flash
[02:00] <] BreliC[> thing is, there is no gst-register, nor is it in the repositores
[02:00] <ThomasWinwood> Exactly.
[02:00] <g14> ThomasWinwood: You really should watch it
[02:00] <] BreliC[> uh, repositories even
[02:00] <Epix> ahh!
[02:00] <Epix> my computer keeps freezing!
[02:00] <Epix> fuck
[02:00] <Epix> its on downloads
[02:00] <Epix> it just stops
[02:00] <Epix> no SSH, no ping, NOTHING
[02:00] <holycow> E4Josh, ubuntu like debian do not ship proprietary codecs or illegal software, so yes you will haveto find the right repo and download libdvdcss and other things as needed, like win32codecs for sound
[02:00] <Epix> damn!
[02:00] <Epix> help!
[02:00] <g14> ] BreliC[: Try gst-register-0.8
[02:01] <kakalto> does anyone have any ideas why my sound might not work now, even though it used to?
[02:01] <kakalto> the only thing I remember changing, was installing america's army
[02:01] <kakalto> but sound worked for that
[02:01] <kakalto> not any more
[02:01] <davix> how do i share a directory on my ubuntu to linux?
[02:01] <davix> to windows, sorry
[02:01] <] BreliC[> g14, in the repositories?
[02:01] <Epix> ????????
[02:01] <stevenj> I want to install bluefish-Hoary shows blushfish 1.0+CVS...........  what does the CVS mean?
[02:01] <g14> ] BreliC[ type which  gst-register-0.8
[02:01] <transgress> okay just watched that video... i wanna know why they used eth0 for the name of their wireless card
[02:01] <nickrud> ] BreliC[, it's in libgstreamer0.8-0
[02:01] <kakalto> davix, have you been to www.ubuntuguide.org ?
[02:02] <jfarrell> hey all I just finished installing Ubuntu, looks really nice.  Downloaded some source code for an application that i want to compile.  Did my 'su' as I normally do typed in my password and .... was denied
[02:02] <davix> yeah, havent look for the answer there tough, tnx.
[02:02] <g14> stevenj: cvs is the most bleeding edge from the cvs repository
[02:02] <jfarrell> tried ita gain, and was denied
[02:02] <] BreliC[> ahh, thanks g14 , nickrud .  i'll try it now
[02:02] <kakalto> could anyone help?
[02:02] <stevenj> g14, thanks
[02:02] <jfarrell> then it dawned on me, I was never asked for a root password during the install
[02:02] <E4Josh> ok thanks i know i casn find those. however has anyone known if memory card slots on printers work or not in linux?
[02:02] <transgress> also, does anyone know what the music playing was in that
[02:02] <dell500> now it is time for the switch-a-roo!!!!
[02:02] <dell500> w00t
[02:02] <dell500> bbl
[02:02] <g14> jfarrel: the root accound in ubuntu is disabled for security reasons
[02:02] <jzaval> use the command sudo
[02:02] <jfarrell> g14, any way to enable it
[02:02] <jzaval> and enter your user password
[02:03] <g14> jfarrel: You can use sudo to do anything if you are the admin user
[02:03] <jfarrell> jzaval, for what I have to do, that is not practical
[02:03] <g14> jfarrell: sudo passwd
[02:03] <jzaval> what are you doing?
[02:03] <g14> jfarrell: set a root password and then login as root like normal
[02:03] <g14> jfarrell: but using sudo is better, you should try it
[02:03] <jfarrell> g14, good idea
[02:03] <holycow> E4Josh, you mean like on those retardo hp photocrap printers?
[02:03] <Epix> ahh, nobody can help!
[02:03] <XandriX> damnit
[02:04] <E4Josh> unfortuantly yes i mean those
[02:04] <E4Josh> lol
[02:04] <travisnux> How to put what is to the right ?? http://hungsquirrel.org/images/ubuntu.png
[02:04] <holycow> E4Josh, probably not, no manufacturer goes out of their way to write software for linux beyond say providing barely specs for their hardware
[02:04] <holycow> i've never heard of one of those working ever
[02:04] <jfarrell> i use sudo on occassion for quick things, but I am not sure how i feel about using it for all of my admin tasks
[02:05] <g14> travisnux: That is gdesklets on the right side. Try googling for gdesklets
[02:05] <jfarrell> or when I feel like being on a power trip :-D
[02:05] <knucks> irc://irc.orbitalgrooves.com
[02:05] <g14> jfarrell: You can do like I do with sudo...
[02:05] <dazzed> im bored
[02:05] <stevenj> travisnux, what theme is that
[02:05] <nickrud> jfarrell, sudo -i|-s gets you a shell if you really want one
[02:05] <] BreliC[> g14, well, it worked in restoring the audio capabilities, but now i can no longer add the volume icon to the taskbar..
[02:05] <jfarrell> i got root access its fine
[02:05] <g14> jfarrell: ok cool
[02:06] <Levander> treke: I've got some problems converting my existing mail to dovecot.  Does your ~/Maildir have to have special permissions so that the dovecot daemon can access them?
[02:06] <Levander> Anybody?
[02:06] <Levander> I've converted my inbox, but no other folders successfully
[02:06] <travisnux> stevenj I don't know ! I find it's fun
[02:06] <travisnux> but i'm noob
[02:07] <stevenj> speaking of volume control (Panel) I noticed in the preferences I have OSS and Sound Blaster Audigy...both controled the sound..but which is right one to use?
[02:07] <ThomasWinwood> Okay.
[02:07] <ThomasWinwood> Now.
[02:08] <kakalto> could anyone help, please?
[02:08] <davix> kakalto, it shows how to share, but not how to remotely access the share.
[02:08] <nickrud> Levander, my Maildir is read only by me, have you subscribed to the other folders?
[02:08] <occy> heh
[02:08] <ThomasWinwood> I have a WEP key which is 96 bytes in length and is in hex. How do I feed this to iwconfig so it will eat it?
[02:08] <ThomasWinwood> bits*
[02:09] <ThomasWinwood> 13 bytes.
[02:09] <g14> ThomasWinwood: convert it to decimal
[02:09] <stevenj> has anyone of you ever had a crazy ex GF that called 100x with 10 differnent calling card numbers?
[02:09] <Ironfrost> stevenj: I've got to say, no
[02:09] <g14> stevenj: like... your mom?
[02:09] <Ironfrost> for which I am eternally greatful
[02:09] <SeamusLP> stevenj:  She's psycho, change your number.
[02:09] <E4Josh> a note i seemed to have found something that my help some memory card slots on some printers work. though im not sure it will work on my printer :/
[02:09] <E4Josh> http://hpoj.sourceforge.net/
[02:10] <Yono> hey, someone please help me
[02:10] <Yono> I just installed ubuntu
[02:10] <stevenj> yeah its getting crazy...don't understand it....
[02:10] <Yono> and it didn't create my user
[02:10] <nickrud> E4Josh, that's been replaced by hplip, I think it's in universe
[02:10] <Yono> how do I add one with no user to log on as?
[02:10] <] BreliC[> anyone?  know how to restore volume control from the panel on gnome?  I ran gst-register to repair the corrupted audio apparently, and now i can no longer add volume control to the panel
[02:11] <stevenj> ] BreliC[, I had that problem once in Fedora core 3...had to finally reinstall :(
[02:11] <transgress> anyone know some good light trance techno?  such as the one in the following video http://whoppix.h07.org/Whoppix-wireless.html
[02:11] <stevenj>  ] BreliC[, though I am sure that is a better solution
[02:12] <] BreliC[> stevenj, sheesh, i hope so!
[02:12] <Yono> anyone?
[02:12] <] BreliC[> all i did was install gstreamer-lame, jack, cwcdr... think that's it
[02:12] <] BreliC[> oh, and grip
[02:13] <tbird> Yono, man useradd
[02:13] <Yono> from where?
[02:13] <Yono> I'm stuck on the logon screen
[02:13] <stevenj> ] BreliC[, I might be wrong...but I remember reading on ubuntu forums about turning something off / or on in the terminal app you can run
[02:13] <tbird> from a terminal
[02:13] <tbird> oh
[02:13] <senator32> hey i have a stupid question
[02:13] <] BreliC[> stevenj, hmm, thanks.  i'll do a search
[02:13] <senator32> how do you insatll debian packages
[02:13] <Yono> yeah, that makes it a little harder
[02:14] <tbird> lol
[02:14] <senator32> i downloaded 3 files that are not in the package manager
[02:14] <blueyed> senator32, dpkg -i package.deb
[02:14] <senator32> thank
[02:14] <senator32> s
[02:14] <stevenj> ] BreliC[, alsamixer -- run that from terminal and look for analog/digital output jack and make sure its not turned off.
[02:16] <stevenj> ] BreliC[, If you cant run alsamixer then I think your outta luck :(
[02:17] <kor> hey
[02:17] <mrtacheon> Hi, I'm trying to get Ubuntu 5.04 to authenticate to my windows 2000 mixed mode active directory
[02:17] <mrtacheon> I followed the instructions here http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=5409
[02:18] <mrtacheon> and now when I try to login as a domain user i get the message "The system administrator has disabled access to the system temporarly."
[02:18] <mrtacheon> and I can't login as local users now
[02:18] <] BreliC[> stevenj, it's a laptop.  the issue you mention is one i had previously with suse on my desktop with audigy external
[02:18] <] BreliC[> in any case, the issue is not that I can't get sound, it's that i can no longer control it from gnome.. .i.e. in the CD Player app, i can control the volume, but my Gnome key bindings no longer work, and I can no longer add the volume applet to the panel. when i try to, it just doesn't appear
[02:18] <kakalto> mrtacheon, is this a windows issue or ubuntu issue? are you in the right place?
[02:18] <jfarrell> what version of glib and pkg-config are packaged with the latest version of ubuntu
[02:18] <nickrud> Yono, you need to run init=/bin/sh while starting grub
[02:19] <thread> jfarrell: !! no shit
[02:19] <GustavoSe> Do you want to help someone? Know how, and know the story an http://helpmeplease.cjb.net
[02:19] <jfarrell> thread, LOL
[02:19] <jfarrell> small world
[02:19] <thread> Heh
[02:19] <ThomasWinwood> kay. I converted the WEP key to decimal (laptop BSODed when I loaded the calculator).
[02:19] <jfarrell> i thought you were with Gentoo
[02:19] <Yono> nickrud: ok, thanks
[02:19] <mrtacheon> well, since i can't even log on to ubuntu anymore i'd say at least that part is an ubuntu issue
[02:19] <ThomasWinwood> It's 24 digits long and iwconfig still doesn't like it.
[02:19] <gratuit> anyone else using 64 bit hoary finding it to be a bit unstable?
[02:19] <nickrud> Yono, I can't tell you how to do that from grub, i know lilo :)
[02:19] <thread> jfarrell: I'm still a gentoo person on 2 of my 3 machines.. but ubuntu is awesome on this new laptop... and I recommend it to others now
[02:19] <Yono> haha
[02:19] <gratuit> and by a bit I mean very
[02:20] <jfarrell> thread, ahh I am going through the pains of install XSP and Mono
[02:20] <thread> jfarrell: ah.. haven't tried that on ubuntu
[02:20] <mrtacheon> i'm trying to convert people in my business to linux, but slowly, so i'd like to find a distro that easily authenticates to a windows 2000 mixed mode active directory
[02:20] <jfarrell> hehe, i would wager most in here havent :)
[02:21] <fightingfortofu> how do i edit my xorg conf if gnome is running?
[02:21] <goldfish> open it up in an editor
[02:21] <^thehatsrule^> sudo vi blah?
[02:21] <transgress> fightingfortofu: you vegan?
[02:21] <t3rror> can anyone tell me why my synaptic manager would have disappeared after i upgraded from warty to hoary?
[02:21] <fightingfortofu> yeah i did, text editor, its read only
[02:21] <fightingfortofu> transgress, yes
[02:21] <transgress> fightingfortofu: use sudo
[02:22] <transgress> fightingfortofu: rock on!
[02:22] <kor> hey
[02:22] <nickrud> fightingfortofu, x only reads that at startup, edit to your hearts' content :)
[02:22] <t3rror> it disappeared from the menu at least
[02:22] <^thehatsrule^> fightingfortofu, use sudo....
[02:22] <jfarrell> thread, glib should come with GIMP correct
[02:22] <transgress> fightingfortofu: sudo vi /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[02:22] <kor> does anyone know how to change the alsa card ID?
[02:22] <Epix> how do i restart X?
[02:22] <t3rror> is there a command line run for synaptic?
[02:22] <fightingfortofu> ok.
[02:22] <t3rror> i know apt-get
[02:22] <transgress> t3rror: apt-get
[02:22] <thread> jfarrell: uh... I think it would be a dependency yea
[02:22] <t3rror> i wanted something graphical
[02:22] <dantheman> Epix: control-alt-backspace
[02:22] <fightingfortofu> thanks!
[02:22] <Epix> t3rror: dpkg?
[02:22] <goldfish> Epix: ctrl + alt  backspace
[02:22] <transgress> t3rror: synaptic?
[02:22] <t3rror> synaptic
[02:22] <stevenj> Does anyone use subpixil smoothing on their LCD monitor?
[02:22] <Epix> goldfish: that takes it down, what about up?
[02:22] <t3rror> i don't think it works
[02:22] <jfarrell> ahh nevermind, its not glib, its pkg-config not being able to find glib that is causing problems
[02:23] <Epix> t3rror: or aptitude
[02:23] <transgress> t3rror: are you wanting like an ncurses apt-get?
[02:23] <goldfish> startx
[02:23] <goldfish> ?
[02:23] <Epix> goldfish: k
[02:23] <transgress> what is aptitude?  i keep hearing about it, but haven't used it
[02:23] <ThomasWinwood> How do I get iwconfig to play ball with my WEP key?
[02:23] <fightingfortofu> sudo vi /etc/X11/xorg.conf doesnt let me edit either
[02:23] <t3rror> i installed warty
[02:23] <nickrud> aptitude is superior software, frontend for apt
[02:24] <t3rror> aptitude is better?
[02:24] <ThomasWinwood> Currently it's 13 bytes hexadecimal.
[02:24] <t3rror> synaptic worked well for me
[02:24] <transgress> fightingfortofu: what's it say?
[02:24] <raydogg> where does ubuntu keep the linux headers?
[02:24] <Zindar> aptitude sucks :)
[02:24] <benz240> 01010111011010000110000101110100001000000111010001101000011001010010000001100110011101010110001101101011001000000110100101110011001000000111010101110000001011000010000001101101011110010010000001101110011010010110011101100111011000010111001100111111
[02:24] <slappy15> wtf
[02:24] <transgress> benz240: ima rape you
[02:24] <Zindar> tomas: write it in /etc/network/interfaces
[02:24] <nickrud> aptitude is good, synaptic is good (thought I'd never say that)
[02:24] <Epix> goldfish: wtf? it just sent my monitor into the 'blinking power light' state
[02:24] <stuff2021> queston: I installed ubuntu. it rebooted and I get a GRUB error 17 on boot. anyone familiar with this?
[02:25] <ThomasWinwood> Zindar: Care to expand on that?
[02:25] <fightingfortofu> nothing that i was aware i was just able to scroll around with a black cursor box if i hit any keys the pc speaker would beep
[02:25] <goldfish> ctrl + alt + backspace restarts x for me ..
[02:25] <gratuit> ThomasWinwood: iwconfig <device> key <key> doesn't work?
[02:25] <nickrud> Epix, you use gnome?
[02:25] <benz240> 010011000100111101001100
[02:25] <ThomasWinwood> Nope.
[02:25] <ThomasWinwood> Invalid argument.
[02:25] <transgress> woohoo got rid of kde 3.4 that i spent hours compiling
[02:25] <Epix> nickrud: yes
[02:25] <stuff2021> gentoo is a waste of time
[02:25] <stevenj> maybe it got an aptitude
[02:25] <kakalto> does anyone have any ideas what might have screwed up my sound?
[02:25] <closure> transgress, traitor!
[02:25] <nickrud> Epix, echo "gnome-session" > .xsession, then startx
[02:26] <closure> transgress, why did you compile it why not just use the pkg?
[02:26] <transgress> closure: i use gentoo, slack (that will soon be debian), and ubuntu... traitor my ass.
[02:26] <stuff2021> so anyone know what a GRUB error 17 would be ?
[02:26] <closure> transgress, oh this was on another box
[02:26] <transgress> closure: because i must admit seeing gnome and kde boot in like 2 seconds is fun.
[02:26] <closure> hrm
[02:26] <closure> must be nice
[02:26] <phenotype> dood, put it on a raid 0
[02:26] <closure> -closure- VERSION xchat 2.4.1 Linux 2.6.10-5-386 [i686/448.30MHz] 
[02:26] <phenotype> then have some fun
[02:26] <closure> never gonna happen on this laptop
[02:26] <closure> lol
[02:26] <phenotype> ha
[02:27] <Epix> nickrud: same thing
[02:27] <stuff2021> my linux won't boot. GRUB error 17.... anyone?
[02:27] <transgress> although ubuntu is killer fast for binaries... debian does something that neither slack packs or rpm's pull off at all.  which is why if i break this gentoo install, ubuntu will be on it in no time.
[02:27] <Epix> the last line that i see from startx is could not init font path element ....
[02:27] <transgress> closure: i feel your pain... worked an awful job for a couple months to get this computer.
[02:27] <jfarrell> alright I give up, where should I point PKG_CONFIG_PATH to so that is sees glib
[02:28] <closure> transgress, i've got a desktop that's like 2.4ghz this is just my toy
[02:28] <Jerub> hi, the new kernel, 2.6.8.1-5 gets 4 lines into the boot sequence and dies on me.
[02:28] <closure> my tv computer as i like to call it
[02:28] <Jerub> it reboots.
[02:28] <transgress> hehe all my boxes are my toys... this is a gaming machine turned linux box... has a radeon 9800 that doesn't even get used
[02:28] <jfarrell> Jerub, how ya doing
[02:28] <closure> so i can rot twice as many brain cells at once
[02:28] <Jerub> 2.6.8.1-3 doesn't. any ideas what could cause this?
[02:28] <t3rror> it was telling me that libapt6 was a required dependency for synaptic
[02:28] <phenotype> anyone know where to get some good looking themes for gnome
[02:29] <phenotype> besides deviantart.com
[02:29] <transgress> i want to find some decent trance techno... but have no clue what kind of stuff that crap is called... it's not as simple as metal
[02:29] <stevenj> gnome look
[02:29] <phenotype> where at steve
[02:29] <abbot45> phenotype: did you check gnome-look.org
[02:29] <transgress> i do not like deviantart... so ... freaking... slow.
[02:29] <phenotype> nope
[02:29] <phenotype> thanks
[02:29] <Janux> hi, there is no JDK available in synaptics?
[02:30] <phenotype> deviantart has real good stuff though, even though thier servers are allmost allways overwhelmed
[02:30] <Jerub> why do I get the feeling no one wants to talk about catastrphic failure caused by kernel upgrades...
[02:30] <nickrud> Janux, it's totally unfree, so no.
[02:30] <occy>  is there a way to change the names of things you have on your desktop... regarding items created via: Places > Connect to server...
[02:30] <stevenj> think I find with gnome themes---is most of them dont freaking work right
[02:30] <stevenj> and neither do the icons sets
[02:31] <stevenj> something is always broken
[02:31] <abbot45> ive never found themes that didnt work.  i am having problems with icons since i switched to hoary though.
[02:31] <Janux> nickrud, o...ic....thanks...
[02:31] <ThomasWinwood> Damn, I need this WEP key to work to connect to the Web and do a package upgrade. :(
[02:31] <phenotype> im just looking to mod the menu themes
[02:31] <stevenj> I mean they work---but not right
[02:31] <kakalto> what is the sound card usually called, /dev/?
[02:31] <phenotype> i dont care about pointers and crap
[02:32] <tritium> Jerub, I haven't heard of that happening to anyone/
[02:32] <abbot45> pointers are seperate.  a bit harder to change as well.  but the defaults for ubuntu are pretty cool if you ask me.
[02:32] <fightingfortofu> ok so if sudo vi /etc/X11/xorg.conf doesnt let me edit what else can i try>
[02:32] <fightingfortofu> ?
[02:33] <phenotype> its too big for me
[02:33] <stevenj> milk 2.1 and gnome-apple would the best theme/icon combo I have seen (IMO) and yet.....little things like icons not working...pixmaps too big not named right....I find it impossible to change the damn the volume.png on the gnome panel...so I just use clearlooks
[02:33] <phenotype> my toolbar for windows is tiny
[02:33] <kakalto> anyone?
[02:33] <phenotype> i want the same
[02:33] <ThomasWinwood> Goddamn, how difficult is it to make iwconfig use a WEP key?
[02:34] <tritium> ThomasWinwood, easy.  Did you read the iwconfig man page?
[02:34] <ThomasWinwood> ...I hate me.
[02:34] <kakalto> does anyone know what the /dev/sound_device is called?
[02:34] <ThomasWinwood> I forgot that.
[02:35] <nickrud> kakalto, /dev/dsp sometimes :)
[02:35] <kakalto> nickrud, I'll see
[02:35] <kakalto> thanks
[02:36] <stevenj> phenotype, I would never admit to a tiny toolbar
[02:36] <transgress> is it bad when you're sitting in your house... and you smell gasoline?
[02:36] <phenotype> dont smoke
[02:36] <kakalto> nickrud, my problem is that I'm not sure if the software is actually sending a sound signal or not
[02:36] <kakalto> there's no signal on that device
[02:37] <fightingfortofu> trangress, why am i unable to edit xorg.conf!
[02:37] <phenotype> did it used to work?
[02:37] <kakalto> I'm playing some music, but nothing's coming out
[02:37] <phenotype> did it used to work
[02:37] <nickrud> kakalto, cat some.wav > /dev/dsp will make noise if your sound subsystem is working
[02:37] <tritium> fightingfortofu, make sure you're running Hoary (Warty didn't use Xorg).
[02:37] <fightingfortofu> tritium, i am, 504
[02:37] <phenotype> was it running ok when you initially installed linux, and now its broken, or did it not configure when you installed linux
[02:38] <phenotype> perhaps because mandrake is a 900 GB install
[02:38] <nickrud> kakalto, gnome-alsamixer, and see if everything is on
[02:38] <ThomasWinwood> The manpage for iwconfig says to just type it in as hex digits as XXXX-XXXX-XXXX-XXXX.
[02:38] <geneo93> mandrake 10.2 is equal
[02:38] <tritium> fightingfortofu, did you change the file's permissions?  (you're using sudo to edit, right?)
[02:38] <ThomasWinwood> Problem is mine is longer than that.
[02:38] <Janux> cens0red, I just know that Ubuntu is amazing that it works on my Duron 600 with 256MB, GF2 MX400 32MB
[02:38] <kakalto> nickrud, I don't use gnome, it crashes on my system... I installed ubuntu, installed kde, then xfce, and I now use xfce
[02:39] <nickrud> alsamixer then
[02:39] <fightingfortofu> tritium, not that am i aware of, and i was told to use sudo vi /etc/X11/xorg.conf and alls i could do was scroll around with a black cursor box
[02:39] <tritium> kakalto, /proc/asound has lots of good sound information beneath it
[02:39] <cens0red> Janux 32mb? That's impressive! No intermitten screen lockups or anything?
[02:39] <goldfish> fightingfortofu: try using nano instead of vi
[02:39] <kakalto> tritium, is that a sound configuration file?
[02:39] <goldfish> fightingfortofu: it's alot easier :)
[02:39] <tritium> kakalto, no, just info
[02:39] <thread> my qt app I'm trying to build isn't seeing my /usr/include/qt3/qglobal.h
[02:39] <stevenj> cens0red, one I noticed comparing FC3 and Ubuntu (Hoary) is that hoary does run a bunch crap services by default
[02:39] <kakalto> ahk
[02:39] <kakalto> thanks
[02:39] <thread> where do I add that dir so it gets found?
[02:40] <stevenj> DOes not
[02:40] <fightingfortofu> goldfish, use the same command just sub vi with nano?
[02:40] <Janux> cens0red, as I remember, it should be 32MB, how do I check it out?
[02:40] <goldfish> fightingfortofu: yep, nano is a simple editor
[02:40] <cens0red> stevenj hoary does? or fc3 does?
[02:40] <goldfish> fightingfortofu: when ur finished, ctrl + x, y, enter. To save and exit.
[02:40] <stevenj> cens0red, sorry I does not
[02:40] <fightingfortofu> goldfish, thanks!
[02:40] <goldfish> np
[02:40] <stevenj> cens0red, meant...damn I am tired
[02:41] <goldfish> fightingfortofu: if you want to learn vi/vim, try running vimtutor :)
[02:41] <fightingfortofu> goldfish, it works!
[02:41] <fightingfortofu> yay
[02:41] <ThomasWinwood> So what do I do when the WEP key is longer than the manpage says it should be?
[02:41] <stevenj> cens0red, what I'm trying is that ubuntu (I think) seems fasters or is faster for this reason
[02:41] <cens0red> Janux not sure. There's probably an easy way to tell how much ram you have from the command line. Dunno what it is though.
[02:42] <Janux> cens0red, hmm..let me see..
[02:42] <ThomasWinwood> So what do I do when the WEP key is longer than the manpage says it should be?
[02:43] <cens0red> Janux $cat /proc/meminfo |less
[02:43] <goldfish> fightingfortofu: cool
[02:44] <ThomasWinwood> So what do I do when the WEP key is longer than the manpage says it should be?
[02:44] <Janux> cens0red, that's only system memory, isn't it?  anyway, I found, it's not 32MB, hahahah..it's 128MB....but let me make sure by going to find the box...did I buy that much? then it doesn't make sense to have this kind of graphics..:P
[02:45] <XandriX> jdub, are u there ???
[02:46] <Janux> cens0red, it's very weird, it shows that I have prefetchable of 128MB, and it's a GF2 MX400 but I found the box, it is actually a GF2MX200 32MB
[02:46] <cens0red> Janux well /proc/meminfo says "MemTotal". It tells me "256808 kB", which is correct in my case ... having 2x128meg SDRAM sticks on the mboard.
[02:46] <Janux> cens0red, that makes more sense
[02:46] <Thorrn4> I have a problem..I have no sound, but earlier it was there; is there a way to get it back?
[02:46] <Janux> cens0red, no I was talking about the video card memory, not system memory.  my system has 256MB and video card memory has 32MB
[02:47] <cens0red> Janux well that's not really astounding that ubuntu runs smoothly on your system. Still, pretty good.
[02:49] <Thorrn4> can someone help me with my sound issue?
[02:49] <cens0red> anyone checked out http://damnsmalllinux.org/ ? It's pretty cute. I've tried running it on bochs.
[02:49] <Janux> cens0red, true...wanna install it on my P233 later...but I guess I will run this Duron 600 as server and make that P233 as thin client.
[02:49] <Elsidox> Thorrn4, whats not working?
[02:49] <Thorrn4> the sound Elsidox
[02:49] <Elsidox> Thorrn4, this might be of some help http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=26567&highlight=linux+sound
[02:51] <davix> kakalto, are you here?
[02:51] <kakalto> davix, yeah
[02:52] <^vir^> hi
[02:53] <^vir^> has anyone tried out expocity yet?
[02:53] <jzaval> hey, has anyone run into serious X problems with the 7174 nvidia drivers? like an actual-black screen at startup?
[02:54] <jasperloot> You know the default gnome desktop settings, how there is a panel on the top and bottom?
[02:54] <muwu> Hi. help me get java plugin working in firefox.. been trying for hours..
[02:54] <jasperloot> one says applications and places...etc?
[02:54] <muwu> The method in gnome doesn't work.
[02:54] <cens0red> jzaval yeah heaps of people according to ubuntuforums.org. The standard advice there is use the apt-get nvidia drivers.
[02:55] <jasperloot> the other one shows the applications running and minimized browsers?
[02:55] <jzaval> i get the same thing whether i apt-get the package or i get the NVIDIA drivers
[02:55] <jasperloot> what is that one called and how do I get it back to my desktop>
[02:55] <jzaval> or when i try downgrading
[02:57] <Thorrn4> Elsidox, I HAVE SOUND THANK YOU
[02:58] <Elsidox> Thorrn4, no problem =)
[02:59] <Elsidox> Thorrn4, if you need anything eles just ask
[02:59] <jasperloot> how do I get metacity back to my desktop?
[02:59] <Levander> Hey, forget the key sequence to switch from X-Windows back to a regular terminal.  It was like Ctrl-Alt-F1 or something.
[03:00] <nickrud> Epix, you may want to get the non-free nvidia drivers now, to get away from nv
[03:00] <muwu> how come java is not working in firefox?
[03:00] <g14> Levander: that is correct, and will switch to virtual terminal 1
[03:00] <transgress> haha some guy is giving the workers tips on making the irc server work better
[03:00] <nickrud> muwu, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java method three works for me
[03:00] <transgress> i'm sitting there like "why the fuck are you telling me this... we host you."
[03:01] <Thorrn4> Elsidox, I got 1 more thing, Kaffeine plays when I close the program (CD music) but the system try is not visual
[03:01] <Thorrn4> where did it go, I dont know; it use to be there
[03:01] <Levander> g14: ha! you've got to use Ctrl and Alt on the left side of the keyboard for some reason.  I was using Ctrl and Alt on the right side.  Go figure.
[03:01] <Elsidox> Thorrn4, are you running kde?
[03:01] <Thorrn4> GNOME
[03:01] <g14> Levander: Yeah I guess that would do it
[03:01] <muwu> nickrud, will check out now
[03:02] <EricNeon> hello all~
[03:02] <jzaval> hi
[03:02] <Elsidox> Thorrn4, why use kaffeine when totem works great? =)
[03:02] <Janux> does /var store all log files only? can I delete them as they grow that my filesystem is almost running out?
[03:02] <Jerub> hi
[03:02] <Jerub> installing a new kernel flat out breaks my system
[03:02] <Levander> g14: well, no, don't know what I was doing wrong, try same thing I tried before, worked this time
[03:02] <jzaval> jerub how are you installing the kernel
[03:03] <g14> Levander: Weird
[03:03] <jzaval> apt-get?
[03:03] <Jerub> jzaval: apt-get install linux-image-2.6.8-6868
[03:03] <Thorrn4> I like Kaffeine...but the point is...that the Elsidox there is no system tray
[03:03] <Elsidox> Thorrn4, ohhh there no  system tray at all?
[03:03] <jzaval> Jerub: you're sure you have a 686 processor?
[03:03] <Thorrn4> none Elsidox
[03:04] <Thorrn4> there is none at all
[03:04] <Elsidox> Thorrn4, right click the panel and add notification area
[03:05] <Thorrn4> there is non Elsidox
[03:05] <Thorrn4> none*
[03:05] <jzaval> Jerub: i recommend using synaptic and doing a search for all things with "686" in them and install all applicable kernel packages...headers, etc
[03:06] <jzaval> 686 in the title only..
[03:06] <Elsidox> Thorrn4, right click on the planel> go to add> scroll down to "notification area"> highlight it and click add. If you dont see "notification area" at all tell me.
[03:06] <dell500> w00t
[03:07] <Thorrn4> WWWOOOHHHOOO Elsidox
[03:07] <dell500> so how do i switch to KDE now?? :)
[03:07] <AvvY> KDE is evil
[03:07] <dazzed> AvvY: sooo right
[03:07] <AvvY> lol
[03:08] <dell500> why?
[03:08] <dell500> gnome is slow
[03:08] <dazzed> its not bad
[03:08] <dazzed> get more ram :)
[03:08] <AvvY> i never noticed any problems
[03:08] <icebalm> slow on a 486
[03:08] <AvvY> 486...HAHA
[03:08] <nickrud> dell500, you go to #kubuntu :)
[03:08] <icebalm> I have an athlon xp 2500+, gnome isn't slow
[03:09] <nakata> kde is the bomb.
[03:09] <dell500> i've got a 2800, it's slow
[03:09] <nakata> i'm especially loving 3.4
[03:09] <Thorrn4> I like xfce
[03:09] <dazzed> i have a duron 750mhz and gnome is fine
[03:09] <dell500> but that's just me
[03:09] <icebalm> dell500: then you have hardware problems
[03:09] <closure> dell500, gnome?
[03:09] <dell500> yup
[03:09] <closure> dell500, i told you it's sluggish to me
[03:10] <Thorrn4> bye all
[03:10] <dell500> seem to be lagging a bit
[03:10] <closure> dell500, go KDE come to the darkside >8-)
[03:10] <dell500> lol
[03:10] <closure> dell500, or "step into the blue"
[03:10] <closure> dell500, that's a bit more fitting as K's logo is blue
[03:10] <Jerub> jzaval: oh, thanks.
[03:10] <Jerub> jzaval: turns out it was a VIA chip that isn't 686
[03:10] <closure> dell500, try it out if you don't like it it's easy to remove
[03:10] <Jerub> jzaval: mini-itx board, I assumed intel chip
[03:10] <fightingfortofu> ok so i messed up my xorg.conf and now x doesnt work but i have the original saved as xorg.conf-old, how do i revert back to the old one?
[03:11] <closure> dell500, do apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[03:11] <closure> dell500, once it's in logout and there will be an option for it under "session"
[03:11] <nakata> no more smelly feet on your desktop
[03:11] <nakata> hehe
[03:11] <Elsidox> Thorrn4, so that helped?
[03:12] <dell500> how do you get to use root in terminal again?? suser?
[03:12] <jzaval> sudo
[03:12] <closure> sudo
[03:12] <Elsidox> dell500, or sudo su
[03:12] <jedediah> sudo <command name --parameters>
[03:12] <muwu> ah java is cracking me up...
[03:13] <muwu> thus far, I've tried make-javapkg (or something like that), manual installation accordign to the "unofficial guide"
[03:13] <dell500> what does the live disc have on it?
[03:13] <decaf> munki: make-jpkg worked for me
[03:13] <dell500> cause i need to insert the Release disc, not sure if that's the install or live
[03:14] <ewqaer> how do you load an exe. file?
[03:14] <muwu> decaf, well, it used to work before.. now, it doesn't (after complete reinstallation)
[03:14] <jzaval> ewqaer
[03:14] <jzaval> get wine
[03:14] <closure> dell500? is your ubuntu box online?
[03:14] <dell500> yup
[03:14] <ewqaer> wine?
[03:14] <dell500> i'm on it
[03:14] <closure> oh
[03:14] <dell500> wine = Windows emulator for exe files and such
[03:14] <closure> why is it not getting the kubuntu from the repositories i wonder
[03:15] <muwu> man, linux =\= "just works"
[03:15] <jedediah> Anyone ever try to run ubuntu on a compaq/hp laptop with an ATI video card?
[03:15] <closure> or are you installing something else?
[03:15] <closure> muwu, haha that's the truth
[03:15] <p> peace everyone! how is everyone tonight (u don't really have to answer [^_~] ... does anyone know where I can learn to ask Konsole to run a command or install something.. like the ATI Drivers.. I don't need the quick answer, I just wonder where to read on it.. (TIA)
[03:15] <dell500> closure, did sudo su, password inserted, apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[03:15] <jzaval> ewqaer: type "sudo apt-get install wine" into your console
[03:15] <arkainium> wine is not an emulator... lol
[03:15] <jzaval> haha
[03:16] <p> (is there a Kubuntu channel, anyone know?)
[03:16] <muwu> closure, seriously, everytime I have to get the same functionality of Windows XP, I have to spend at least a few hours reading Man pages, HOWTO's, and editing bunch of stuff...
[03:16] <dell500> says to insert the  'Ubuntu 5.04 _Hoary Hedgehog_ - Release i386 (20050407)'
[03:16] <nickrud> muwu, what kind of errors are you getting while using make-jpkg?
[03:16] <closure> *shrugs* put your install disk in
[03:16] <closure> maybe it's on there
[03:16] <jedediah> Dell500: did you add the online repositories and delete your CD (binary) repos.?
[03:16] <muwu> Rant/Troll continued: seriously, linux might be free, but it takes a lot of time.. (well not in the sort of cleaning out malwares, but just setting it up_
[03:16] <cens0red> p /list #kubuntu
[03:16] <closure> muwu, it's a piece dude that's for sure
[03:16] <dell500> jedediah, not yet
[03:16] <dell500> should i do that before?
[03:16] <muwu> nickrud, it works now.. I had to delete and re do ln -s to the plug in
[03:17] <jedediah> dell500: It worked for me
[03:17] <p> ---(closure) thanky!
[03:17] <closure> p?
[03:17] <dell500> it's working, it just needed the cd in *shrug*
[03:17] <closure> #kubuntu
[03:17] <jedediah> that works too
[03:17] <muwu> Well, now only if I can get my USB flash memory hot plug working... it works for the couple of times then it craps on me.. unless I restart.
[03:17] <nickrud> muwu, strange, it put in the link in mozilla/firefox for me, but whatever works
[03:17] <nakata> dell500: didn't it just say that?
[03:17] <dell500> k, well it's updating, i'll bb in a bit
[03:17] <dell500> nakata, ya
[03:17] <muwu> Now, I can finally finish that student loan consolidation application.. (sigh sigh).
[03:17] <dell500> but i think if i updated the repos it wouldn't of asked
[03:17] <closure> p, #kubuntu not sure if you saw that
[03:17] <nakata> right => on.
[03:18] <nickrud> muwu, it's a hack, but sometimes i do /etc/init.d/hotplug restart
[03:18] <syn1> how do i set my cdrw drive to DMA on
[03:18] <syn1> ?
[03:18] <p> I saw it  Closure.. thanks a mill (logging on as we speak/txt)
[03:18] <fightingfortofu> im horrible at trying to get the ati drivers working.
[03:18] <goldfish> syn1: hdparm -d1 /dev/hdc
[03:18] <muwu> nickrud, I never realized why hotplut didn't work under KdE but works (kinda) under GNOME, it turns out.. ubuntu hotplug depends on gnome-volume-manager...
[03:18] <nickrud> syn1, hdparm -d1 /dev/<whereeveryourcdromis>
[03:19] <closure> jedediah, does the install cd not automaticly add the online repo's?
[03:19] <syn1> nickrud: wheres the cd rom at by default
[03:19] <p> >> peace everyone! ya'll have a beautiful night and keep supporting ubuntu!
[03:19] <jzaval> jedediah, no it doesn;t
[03:20] <nickrud> syn1, depends on where you've got it plugged into in your machine
[03:20] <dell500> xchat is the shizzle, can connect to more than one server at a time in one window, w00t
[03:21] <muwu> seriously, they better fix hotplugging.. i mean in Windows, you plug in something, and it just shows up..without a failure.. no need to do "mout xxx" and then "umount" everytime..
[03:21] <dell500> having cable is awesome, it's gonna suck when i go away for school though, no fast internet :(
[03:21] <nickrud> syn1, try ls -l /dev/cdrom
[03:21] <muwu> dell500, your grade won't suffer.. don't get fast internet..
[03:22] <muwu> in fact, don't bring your computer to school..
[03:22] <jzaval> haha
[03:22] <jzaval> thats good advice right there
[03:22] <syn1> nickrud: lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 3 2005-04-26 15:47 /dev/cdrom -> hdc
[03:22] <muwu> it's so true.. my grades in college went down ever since getting a PC...
[03:22] <dell500> well i'm going to be an incoming transfer student at soph level (i've been bouncing around schools and stuff) so when i wanna use the internet, it's gonna suck cause we might have to do dialup
[03:22] <nickrud> syn1, hdparm -d1 /dev/hdc
[03:22] <jzaval> i failed two classes in a semester because of counter-strike
[03:22] <muwu> right now, in grad school, I might get all C's..because of computers
[03:22] <muwu> '
[03:22] <dell500> but it all depends on money i guess
[03:22] <davix> how do I change an SMB's share encoding or charset?
[03:22] <dell500> muwu, so true, so true
[03:23] <muwu> seriously, just get a TV, and a dvd player... that's enough foryour entertainment.. if you need to write a paper, go to computer lab.
[03:23] <nickrud> syn1, then man hdparm, and edit /etc/hdparm.conf so it happens every time you boot
[03:24] <syn1> nickrud: thanks man
[03:24] <joe|code> Buh Bye KDE
[03:24] <muwu> damn you loanconslidation.ed.gov, their java script doesn't work in firefox...
[03:24] <geneo93> nickrud:  will that work on scsi cdr
[03:25] <icebalm> write them a nasty email
[03:25] <Vision-Korn> I have a wg511 on my dell insprion 1100 and i cant get it to work on the internet
[03:25] <Vision-Korn> I have a wg511 on my dell insprion 1100 and i cant get it to work on the internet ----- can someone help
[03:25] <nickrud> geneo93, haven't a clue :)
[03:26] <thechitowncubs> whats the problem with it?
[03:26] <geneo93> my scsi cdr is sr0
[03:26] <dell500> back a r00ni
[03:26] <nickrud> geneo93, and how are ya
[03:26] <Vision-Korn> the card lights up and it says 100% signal but still no internet
[03:27] <thechitowncubs> Vision-Korn: did you install the prism54 firmware?
[03:27] <Vision-Korn> yes
[03:27] <usual> I have an issue with the desktop in hoary, when I download things in firefox, the show up on the desktop, but they are a little off the screen ...too far to the left
[03:27] <geneo93> oh fine i think but both dvdr and cdr cant be used
[03:28] <Hatesbabyblue2> thechitowncubs 24-13-196-72
[03:28] <nickrud> geneo93, i've never used scuzzy stuff, so i'd be talking out of an orifice not used in polite company
[03:29] <nickrud> geneo93, you mean you simply cant' read from them?
[03:29] <geneo93> i think this thing is confused about what to use
[03:29] <geneo93> mandrake is the same way
[03:30] <nickrud> usual, welcome to the club :)
[03:30] <usual> nickrud, known issue then?
[03:30] <devnul1> hey
[03:30] <nickrud> usual, it's been that way since I started using 2.0
[03:30] <dazzed> whats the prob usual ?
[03:31] <usual> dazzed, I have an issue with the desktop in hoary, when I download things in firefox, the show up on the desktop, but they are a little off the screen ...too far to the left
[03:31] <dazzed> oh yeah thats been around for some time now
[03:31] <muwu> ah, I am done with loan consolidatin..
[03:31] <dazzed> muwu: no
[03:31] <jedediah> Has anyone experienced getting thrown back to the console? Every once in a while (and completely randomly), my X session is lost and I see the console. However, ps -auwx shows that everything is still running.
[03:31] <muwu> For those with huge student loans, do your consolidation to luck in your student interest rate before they raise in July 1...
[03:32] <jzaval> jedediah, are you pressing ctrl-alt-backspace, by chance?
[03:32] <nickrud> dazzed, you run in circles above me :)
[03:33] <muwu> nickrud, dazzed, good for you..
[03:33] <dle> Hi.  What's the command that makes a new font in ~/.fonts/ available?
[03:33] <dell500> i'll bbl, don't feel too good
[03:33] <muwu> "are you pressing ctrl-alt-backspace, by chance?" :D
[03:33] <dell500> peace
[03:33] <dazzed> jedediah: are u happening ot be pressing ctrl + alt + f* by any chance
[03:33] <devnul1> a common typo :) hit a bunch of keys at the same time
[03:33] <nickrud> muwu, we know just how lucky we were ....
[03:33] <jzaval> well, it sounds like it...
[03:33] <transgress> okay the smell of gasoline in my house is really starting to freak me out
[03:33] <jzaval> haha
[03:33] <devnul1> nice you guys all have different colloured nicks!
[03:33] <dazzed> im getting this kubuntu-desktop crap to see what the fuss is about
[03:34] <devnul1> :P
[03:34] <geneo93> nickrud:  what the name for device manager
[03:34] <jedediah> Nope, not even touching the keyboard, just randomly
[03:34] <dazzed> my flux still owns gnome and kde by far
[03:34] <jzaval> heating oil or gasoline?
[03:34] <muwu> Things to do when I have more time: 1. fix hotplug 2. enable NAT or whatever to share internet using my wireless card
[03:34] <fightingfortofu> im struggling trying to figure out how to get ati drivers and video out working :(
[03:34] <jzaval> jedediah: what happens when you restart x
[03:34] <devnul1> if you have a static IP, I suggest SNAT :)
[03:34] <jedediah> If I re-run gdm, I can log in again, but I can't find a way to reconnect my display
[03:34] <muwu> fightingfortofu, good luck.. ATI drivers suck under Linux...
[03:34] <nickrud> geneo93, if I understand you, system-> admin->device manager
[03:34] <jedediah> kill HUP X sends me back to the logon
[03:34] <dazzed> fightingfortofu: did u download the ati glk
[03:34] <devnul1> kunbuntu?
[03:34] <dazzed> glx*
[03:35] <geneo93> nickrud:  ok thanks
[03:35] <muwu> fightingfortofu, just get a well supported low end NVIDIA card and save your time and hair (from falling out due to frustration/anger/disappointment)
[03:35] <^vir^> kubuntu is ubuntu loaded with kde
[03:35] <fightingfortofu> dazzed, no, ive been following http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&page=1&pp=10 and being so new its hard to understand what exactly im should be doing
[03:35] <redemption> 'Ello all
[03:35] <^vir^> hi
[03:36] <nickrud> muwu, is there a decent pci nvidia card (for my ancient machine)
[03:36] <jzaval> besides, gnome has a cooler logo. and a cooler name :-D
[03:36] <devnul1> oohhhh, I tried that but KDE doesnt like the gome directory being CIFS or SMB :(
[03:36] <dazzed> fightingfortofu: let me look at the ubuntu forums and see what ur going through
[03:36] <devnul1> gome = home
[03:36] <devnul1> typo
[03:36] <muwu> it tooke me four hours to get ATI opengl hardware accelaration going... it worked good enough in the end.. only to realize that my mplayer -vo xv got broken in the process.
[03:36] <fightingfortofu> muwu, that sounds boring. i have a perfectly good card i should be able to figure out to get ir workign
[03:36] <devnul1> BBL
[03:36] <fightingfortofu> dazzed, thanks!
[03:36] <nickrud> GNU Object Modelled Environment = cool?
[03:36] <muwu> nickrud, any nvidia over GEforce 200 would be good enough..unless you are going to play games.. seriously ATI sucks in linux
[03:37] <^vir^> muwu, whats a good gfxs card under linux?
[03:37] <nickrud> muwu, not really games, just luminocity :)
[03:37] <^vir^> ahh nvidia...
[03:37] <muwu> well, I no longer own any nvidia, but based on my past experience (1.5 year ago), nvidia driver installation is a breeze, and performance is pretty good.
[03:38] <muwu> nickrud, even onboard nforce 2 card would run luminosity smoothly... not ATI.
[03:38] <redemption> from what I understad nvidia performance is much better under linux then ATI due to state of the drivers.
[03:38] <nickrud> muwu, thanks, I think I can waste that kind of money :)
[03:38] <jzaval> the 7174 drivers are buggy as hell with some geforce2's
[03:39] <nickrud> jzaval = party pooper :)
[03:39] <jzaval> yea...
[03:39] <brenton> i'm experiencing some strange behavior with php and mysql... i can get phpmyadmin working... but wordpress swears i don't have mysql
[03:39] <jzaval> i've only been trying to get them to work for 3 weeks
[03:39] <cyberdyne> HY FAGS! I BRING TO YOU THE GLORY OF THE GNAA!
[03:40] <cyberdyne> #wikipedia unable to join channel (address is banned)
[03:40] <cyberdyne> -
[03:40] <cyberdyne> #gentoo unable to join channel (address is banned)
[03:40] <cyberdyne> -
[03:40] <cyberdyne> #debian unable to join channel (address is banned)
[03:40] <cyberdyne> -
[03:40] <nickrud> I just would like to keep this thing running for a few more years, it's my baby.
[03:40] <cyberdyne> *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *G
[03:40] <cyberdyne> *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *GNAA* *G
[03:40] <nopea> anybody install VLC on Unbutu?
[03:40] <jzaval> [eyeroll] 
[03:40] <^thehatsrule^> wtf.
[03:40] <Jerub> a 2
[03:40] <redemption> wow, how annoying.
[03:40] <nickrud> does that kind of thing happen often?
[03:40] <Boohbah> this channel really needs some ops
[03:40] <hypno> nopea: yeah, its in apt
[03:41] <Delph> lol
[03:41] <brenton> i'm experiencing some strange behavior with php and mysql... i can get phpmyadmin working... but wordpress swears i don't have mysql
[03:41] <Delph> GNAA hits #ubuntu =:)
[03:41] <bpuccio> a quick google for GNAA brings up http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_Nigger_Association_of_America
[03:41] <dazzed> fightingfortofu: you see everything in the textboxes with $ before it...thats what your supposed to be entering into your term
[03:41] <jzaval> yea, its from slashdot
[03:41] <fightingfortofu> dazzed, yeah i figured that out
[03:41] <dazzed> fightingfortofu: and just follow the instructions u should be good
[03:41] <bpuccio> wow, had no idea that people had so much free time to disrupt others
[03:41] <nopea> evertime I try to install I get dependcies errors
[03:41] <hypno> bpuccio: aye they're a known troll group
[03:41] <brenton> i've been googling this for a while, and it seems other people with ubuntu have had similar problems
[03:41] <^vir^> cyberdyne is a bloody immature pick :(
[03:41] <Delph> at least it's not doing #debian at the same time.
[03:41] <fightingfortofu> dazzed, i keep messing up my xorg.conf :/
[03:42] <dazzed> fightingfortofu: you know what ur doing wrong?
[03:42] <fightingfortofu> dazzed, i think.
[03:42] <jzaval> fightingfortofu, run sudo dpgk-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[03:42] <hypno> nopea: are you on hoary? and what are the dependency errors?
[03:42] <fightingfortofu> jzaval, why what will that do?
[03:43] <jzaval> it rebuilds the xorg file
[03:43] <bpuccio> troll groups?  wow, never heard of such...  boggles my mind, anyhow, I'm off to do school work, night all
[03:43] <dazzed> fightingfortofu: just look for every instance in that example file for you that says ATI or glx for drivers or devices and add them or replace those lines in ur xorg.conf
[03:43] <nopea> hypno: Yes Horay - I will get the the erros
[03:43] <jzaval> in a more user friendly way, fightingfortofu
[03:43] <fightingfortofu> dazzed, i think im messing up on step 3 where it says to copy relevant sections to your xorg.conf
[03:44] <fightingfortofu> jzaval, i already messed up one and reverted back to the defualt one that i save with sudo cp
[03:44] <jzaval> oh you already saved it.
[03:44] <redemption> anyone know how to copy a working install on one harddrive to another harddrive so that you can remove the first hard drive? i.e. copy everything over then install grub on the other harddrive?\
[03:45] <fightingfortofu> jzaval, yes the howto said to!
[03:45] <nopea> hypno: is it in Ubuntu's source list?
[03:45] <jzaval> fightingfortofu, some people think themselves above such petty measures...no offense meant :-D
[03:45] <hypno> nopea: if you mean package database, yeah, it installed fine for me from apt
[03:46] <phasegen> For those in here earlier when I was crying like a three year old... I'm Sorry.  My noob butt just needed to google the wiki to find what I needed.
[03:46] <nopea> hypno
[03:46] <p> (redemption) .. if you find out, post it somehow, as I'd love to move to a bigger HD without having to go through all of this again...
[03:46] <joseAway> any known issues with g3 ibooks and the ppc livecd I should know about?
[03:46] <nopea> hyno: whats is the package name?
[03:46] <phasegen> I feel so dumb about that...
[03:46] <fightingfortofu> jzvaval, this is my second day with linux
[03:47] <p> (phasegen).. happens to all of us.. I keep my RTFM as my  badge near my computer so no one has to tell me off (lol)
[03:47] <jzaval> rofl
[03:47] <hypno> redemption: if you have a livecd you should be able to set your new hard drive as the root when you boot the kernel. You should then run grub normally - someone who knows grub better might know a better way.
[03:48] <hypno> nopea: 'vlc'
[03:48] <muwu> p, BUT why do we need freaking manuals/HOWTO's to do simple things?
[03:48] <nickrud> p, redemption  take a look at http://www.linuxdig.com/howto/ldp/Hard-Disk-Upgrade.php
[03:48] <phasegen> I'll be okay in a couple of days, after I get my head out and clean it up a bit...
[03:48] <phasegen> thank you all very much.
[03:48] <fightingfortofu> i think one of my problems is that i dont really know how to read the conf
[03:48] <nickrud> phasegen, we all have bad days ...
[03:49] <hypno> muwu: because it's not easy enough yet
[03:49] <muwu> phasegen, do some yoga/meditation/praying/fasting/sex/smokingpot
[03:49] <nopea> hypno: OK dont see it in synaptic - The VLC site has a link to put in my source list but that one doenst work
[03:49] <redemption> nickrud: Thank your!
[03:49] <nickrud> muwu, because no one is paid to make it easy, basically.
[03:50] <muwu> yes, because most people who use linux are bunch of geeks.. i mean hard-core geeks who hate GUI/KISS philosophy'
[03:51] <p> (muwu) word.. lol.. so I should find one that states: RTFHT (lololol)
[03:51] <RRubin> nah. making guis and simplifying complex stuff take huge ammounts of time
[03:51] <muwu> Ubuntu is a lot easier than previous distro's, but it's still far away..
[03:51] <] BreliC[> nopea, do you have the multiverse and universe sources enabled?
[03:51] <CarlK> Kiss rocks
[03:51] <hypno> muwu: maybe but that's changing
[03:51] <RRubin> there is something to be said for learning a complex tool
[03:51] <jzaval> thinkgeek wisdom: chicks dig unix.
[03:52] <nickrud> muwu, I agree totally, but to get something for free, I expect to work for it :)
[03:52] <RRubin> you wouldnt walk into a woodshop and expect to be able to make a nice end table without years of exp
[03:52] <Nalioth> nopea, just jumped in, but do you have your sources.list fully stocked?
[03:52] <jzaval> you mean no one else uses *nix to pick up women?
[03:52] <jzaval> :-D
[03:52] <nopea> BreliC:yes universe is commented out
[03:52] <] BreliC[> today's society looks for instant gratification... they don't expect to have to work for anything and want to be instantly rewarded
[03:52] <muwu> things I had to do to get some functionality out of Unbuntu Hoary: 1. set up java (3 hours) 2. set up bluetooth (1 hour) 3. set up printer (1 hour) 4. setup Palm syncro (1 hour)
[03:52] <nickrud> jzaval, you geek king
[03:52] <jzaval> muwu, java took 3 hours?
[03:53] <Nalioth> nopea, you need universe and multiverse UNcommented out
[03:53] <RRubin> muwu: write up the steps, for the next guy
[03:53] <hypno> muwu: what sources are listed under the hoary entry in synaptic's repository dialog? There should be "Officially maintained" and maybe others
[03:53] <muwu> jzaval, java was the hardest
[03:53] <nopea> Nalioth, what would be the def. of full stocked :)
[03:53] <jzaval> what the hell went wrong muwu?
[03:53] <Nalioth> nopea, you need all of em, plus maybe marrilat
[03:53] <muwu> Rrubin, I should...
[03:53] <hypno> not muwu , nopea
[03:53] <RRubin> muwu: or better, make script .deb's for those packages that automates it..
[03:53] <] BreliC[> nopea, yes, make sure they are not commented (no # in front of them) and you need to refresh your sources (sudo apt-get update)
[03:53] <muwu> jzaval, first, I didn't now how to setup paths for java... so I had to read up on that, still I am confused..
[03:53] <geneo93> nickrud:  what the story with dvdrip
[03:54] <hypno> muwu: theres a nice three-step guide to installing java on the ubuntuguide site
[03:54] <] BreliC[> nopea, you dn't need marillat for VLC if that's what you're looking for
[03:54] <redemption> nickrud: the problem with that howto is it is limited to lilo. nothing on grub.  Thanks for sharing though!
[03:54] <nickrud> geneo93, no dvd in this machine :)
[03:54] <Nalioth> nopea, the http://www.ubuntuforums.org have answers and addresses for all these nice repositorys
[03:54] <nickrud> redemption, just move your grub config, and update-grub, i would think
[03:54] <nopea> ok all open - lets see...
[03:54] <muwu> geneo93, settup dvdrip would be a challenge.. you have to reinstall mplayer (recompile with lame support, and mencoder), then you have to install bunch of libraries, but one of the packages is broken, so basically, you can't.
[03:55] <] BreliC[> incidentally, is there a way to make my CD rip at a faster speed than 2.5x on average?? Sheesh, it's a 40x spin, 8x burner (i know, slow by today's standards).. but seriously
[03:55] <muwu> geneo93, I recommend acidrip, which actually works.. but you have to recompile mplayer
[03:55] <hypno> muwu: not true, i'm ripping a dvd with mencoder right now
[03:55] <redemption> nickrud: Unfortunately my old harddrive is ide and my new one is SATA. hda1 versus sda1
[03:55] <fightingfortofu> at http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html#install under 5. configure x, where section module is do i just want those three to load only or do i want the other things in my conf that are already there to load as well as the three?
[03:55] <muwu> hypno, i prefer GUI/frontend... :)
[03:55] <geneo93> hmm i like mplayer the way it is
[03:55] <nickrud> redemption, yeah, that thing is from 2000, but, a moment
[03:55] <hypno> yeah but when there's no choice.. A choice is best, though.
[03:55] <muwu> also, tried to gkismet working, but alas, I am missing some libraries and don't know how to get them.
[03:56] <jzaval> when people ask me why i use linux, i open firestarter and show them the network scans, irc scans, and sasser attacks that happen less than every five seconds
[03:56] <nickrud> group, doesn't cp -ar get an accurate partition copy to a new partition?
[03:56] <nopea> Nalioth,
[03:56] <muwu> geo93, but don't you need to enable lame support to get mp3 encoding working? unless you prefer ogg
[03:56] <nopea> Nalioth, ok that did it
[03:56] <hypno> muwu: the art of figuring out which package contains the library that a compile script is complaining about is a black one, indeed.
[03:57] <geneo93> well i just wanted to rip a dvd today before i had to take it back
[03:57] <RRubin> is there a packages.debian.org equiv for ubuntu?
[03:58] <] BreliC[> anyone?  what speeds are you getting when you rip a CD?
[03:58] <muwu> i guess I kinda wished I had the option of downloading a program that is already statistically linked... I mean if apt-get doesn't fully resolve dependencies...then instead of spending hours reading man's and editing config's.. I would rather download prelinked versions..
[03:58] <jzaval> rrubin, just enable all the repositories in synaptic, making sure to check multiverse and universe
[03:58] <hypno> geneo93: packages.ubuntu.com
[03:58] <hypno> RRubin even
[03:58] <redemption> nickrud: I've been using cp -aRx `dir name in root directory' 'new place'
[03:59] <Nalioth> nopea, with all the aforementioned repositories, you have access to lots more stuff, read the ubuntuforums.org guides
[03:59] <RRubin> jzaval: you can search that for 'all packages that contain files like ___' ?
[03:59] <nickrud> redemption, sata stuff sucks now, i hear, but since i don't have one ....
[03:59] <jzaval> yea, rrubin
[03:59] <nopea> I noticed in the synaptic manager that I have the i386 kernel installed... I am on a P4 3ghz should I be using the 686?
[03:59] <FeJaOr> does anybody know if there is any project on release Ubuntu 5.10??
[03:59] <tritium> nopea, you could, yes
[04:00] <nopea> tritium, should i remove the 386 kernel?
[04:00] <jzaval> nopea, you could, but many packages, including the nvidia, are more buggy on 686
[04:00] <jzaval> the optimization is not that much with the 686 kernel, nopea
[04:00] <tritium> nopea, I would first install the -686 kernel, and then only remove the 386 kernel after everything is verified to work correctly
[04:00] <nopea> I am using the Nvidia package so maybe I wont
[04:00] <muwu> jzaval, how about for Athlon XP?
[04:01] <snarf> is there a list of supported hardware for ubuntu? i am not sure if my wireless card will work
[04:01] <RRubin> jzaval: is it the cpu opts that make nvidia more unstable?
[04:01] <FeJaOr> does anybody know if there is any project on release Ubuntu 5.10??
[04:01] <geneo93> jzaval:  i have nvidia on 686smp and it works just fine
[04:01] <tritium> nopea, there are no problems with nvidia on 686
[04:01] <redemption> nickrud: as much as sata stuff sucks, it's still better then my current ide hd. faster thoroughput with no dma on then my ide with dma on.
[04:01] <redemption> t:-P
[04:01] <p>  let's talk dual head..
[04:01] <p> hehehe
[04:01] <jzaval> dunno, just i had nvidia issues with 686
[04:01] <Zindar> fejaor: what do you mean?
[04:01] <p> trying so hard for 2 days now to get it working =(
[04:01] <Zindar> fejaor: sure.. 5.10 will be released
[04:01] <RRubin> jzaval: custom compiled?
[04:01] <p> but will keep at it! (I am in love with linux!)
[04:01] <FeJaOr> Zindar, when is that going to happen?
[04:01] <nickrud> redemption, I don't doubt it, my system is so slow i'm not telling
[04:02] <phenotype_> ok, laugh as you wish, im a complete noob
[04:02] <woolsherpahat> One of my users wrecked there gnome configs, if you try to log in you get gnome-panel already started error
[04:02] <tritium> nopea, just install linux-686, and it'll grab linux-image- and linux-restricted-modules, and you'll be set
[04:02] <Zindar> fejaor: 5.10 = 2005-10
[04:02] <phenotype_> i need help installing a program, compiling it from source
[04:02] <] BreliC[> anyone here using the 64 bit version on an AMD64?
[04:02] <woolsherpahat> I can't seem to get any debugging information or kill gnome-panel from a terminal
[04:02] <geneo93> FeJaOr: october
[04:03] <phenotype_> can anyone help
[04:03] <] BreliC[> phenotype_, what's the problem?
[04:03] <p> btw: there is someone on the KDE channell who messed up their KDE..
[04:03] <woolsherpahat> Does gnome keep logs anywhere?
[04:03] <phenotype_> dont know how to install a program
[04:03] <FeJaOr> My mozilla firefox just crashed and I forced it to quit but now I cannot open it cause everytime I tried to open it the starting part shows up but then it quits.....anyone??
[04:03] <] BreliC[> phenotype_, ok, what are you trying to install?
[04:03] <hypno> phenotype_: did you read the INSTALL file?
[04:03] <RRubin> phenotype_: look for a readme
[04:03] <phenotype_> its kai
[04:03] <FeJaOr> Zindar, so basically it's like upgrades they released every month or what??
[04:03] <phenotype_> www.teamxlink.co.uk
[04:04] <phenotype_> from there
[04:04] <] BreliC[> phenotype_, what type of file was it, a .tar.gz?  a .deb?
[04:04] <phenotype_> i have the .tar.gz
[04:04] <Zindar> fejaor: kind of... see it as "new releases" rather than "upgrades"... but you can upgrade to it
[04:04] <goldfish> tar -xvzf blah.tar.gz
[04:05] <FeJaOr> Zindar, ok...just wondering that
[04:05] <FeJaOr> My mozilla firefox just crashed and I forced it to quit but now I cannot open it cause everytime I tried to open it the starting part shows up but then it quits.....anyone??
[04:05] <phenotype_> you have to compile it, as i see, but i dont know where the command line is
[04:05] <nopea> tritium, is there advantges of the 686 kernal? I thought it would be on by default as most computers are 686 now days
[04:05] <jzaval> phenotype_ , make sure theres not already a package on apt
[04:06] <Zindar> pheno: try to find a package instead.... compiling from source should only be done by developers
[04:06] <] BreliC[> phenotype_, when you went to download it, did you notice that there is a link to a Debian-specific site?  Xebian... http://www.xbox-linux.org/Xebian
[04:06] <phenotype_> no
[04:06] <Delph> Zindar: ooooooh, not sure about that one.
[04:06] <hypno> FeJaOr: tried logging out of gnome?
[04:06] <phenotype_> is that on the team xlink site?
[04:06] <jzaval> 686 kernel is optimized for 686 processors, nopea, it uses your processor more effeciently
[04:07] <jzaval> im not much of a hardware guy
[04:07] <] BreliC[> phenotype_, the link was, yes.. actually, my mistake, it's a full linux distro based on Debian based for Xbox
[04:07] <phenotype_> ] Brelic[ is that on the team xlink site?
[04:07] <Levander> jzaval: that's basically right about the 686 kernel
[04:07] <hybrid> hello
[04:07] <geneo93> Zindar:  he could use checkinstall
[04:07] <hybrid> i am having serious problems
[04:07] <Levander> uses optimization features introduced in that kernel, also available on subsequent x86 processors
[04:07] <jzaval> whats up, hybrid?
[04:08] <venkman> in oracle, is there a way to return a cursor to a temporary table, such that the information in the temporary table only lasts as long as there's records in the cursor/
[04:08] <Levander> phenotype_: I've had to compile software a couple of times when I didn't find packages for it...
[04:08] <hybrid> i am on breezy and restarted and when i did all i got was cli! roght down to the login.
[04:08] <stevenj> Question to any networking experts---I have firestarter running (auto) and ICMP blocked--shields up finds everything is complete stealth mode---yet I am constantly blocking gnutella connections---I dont have any peer to peer crap installed...any suggestions
[04:09] <hybrid> jzaval: i typed X at the command line and i got some graphicks like it was starting up but would never load up
[04:09] <hybrid> ...
[04:09] <redemption> nickrud: FYI @ newegg.com 80 gig WD SATA HD for 64 bucks. (that's with shipping and 7.250 tax)
[04:09] <jzaval> breezy is less than a month into a 6 month development
[04:09] <Levander> redemption: what's the rpm on that drive?
[04:09] <dcraven> heh
[04:09] <nopea> ok back to my VLC topic... I got it running and playing a VCD but there is no sound... same with an audio CD - anybody else have this?  CD Player is working
[04:09] <hypno> stevenj: go round to those gnutella users houses' and ask them to stop?
[04:09] <redemption> 7200 rpm with 8 MB cache.
[04:09] <hybrid> jzaval: i know
[04:09] <redemption> nickrud: 7200 rpm with 8 MB cache.
[04:09] <hybrid> :D
[04:10] <Levander> redemption: don't they have 10,000 rpm drives out now?
[04:10] <nickrud> redemption, this motherboard doesn't accept more than 256M
[04:10] <hypno> nopea: install vlc-esd
[04:10] <jzaval> you can't expect breezy to work at this stage, hybrid, the people currently using breezy are the ones who can figure these things out and then fix them and then report them
[04:10] <jzaval> haha
[04:10] <Levander> and really, the ppl using breezy are the ones developing it
[04:10] <redemption> nickrud:... ouch. You have my sympathy my friend.
[04:10] <stevenj> hypno, but how does anyone even see me....maybe it was when I tested peer to peer blocking using shields up?
[04:10] <hybrid> jzaval: yea but i was hoping it was already fixed :P
[04:10] <jzaval> hoary for now, hybrid
[04:10] <jzaval> :-D
[04:11] <redemption> levander: they do, but I was trying to upgrade my system with an emphasis on quietness.
[04:11] <Levander> redemption: i see
[04:11] <hybrid> well ty
[04:11] <nopea> hypno, what is that? shouldnt it already be there? (sorry I am full of silly questions my 4 year old boy is an influance ;))
[04:11] <hypno> stevenj: doubt it, perhaps just trying random ip's in a range. wouldn't worry about it to be honest, it's harmless.
[04:11] <Levander> redemption: where'd you see that the 7200 rpm drives are quieter?
[04:11] <hypno> nopea: ubuntu uses the esd sound subsystem by default. vlc-esd is the plugin for vlc to talk to esd
[04:12] <stevenj> hypno, I know...but you would think people had better things do
[04:12] <nopea> hyno, cheers!
[04:12] <hypno> stevenj: doubt they are even aware of it
[04:12] <stevenj> hypno, hmm
[04:12] <redemption> ...I don't know.  I think I read it like a year or two ago.  Or I may have made it up completely thinking I remembered it.  One other thing about 7200 vs. 10000 is 7200 is cheaper generally.
[04:12] <jzaval> you would think people have better things to do than spam gnaa stuff in here too,
[04:13] <stevenj> jzaval, who is spamming
[04:13] <Levander> redemption: well, it does make sense, but sometimes new technology is better in more ways than one. Is possible that it's faster and quieter.
[04:13] <jbAU> anyone have any experience with meta/virtual packages?  I want to create some
[04:13] <jzaval> there was someone who flooded a few minutes ago
[04:13] <stevenj> O
[04:13] <nopea> hypno, that did it :)
[04:13] <fightingfortofu> yay! OpenGL renderer string: RADEON 9600 XT Generic
[04:14] <hypno> nopea: great :)
[04:14] <redemption> levander: True, but it's always been my experience that faster moving parts = more noise.
[04:14] <jzaval> ie Formular 1 racer versus electric wheelchair.
[04:14] <Levander> wow, has anybody seen how they've redesigned amazon product pages?
[04:15] <Levander> that's first redesign I've seen on amazon since I can remember.
[04:15] <nopea> somebody should try doing an ASIO subsystem for Linux! that would ne cool
[04:15] <jzaval> psh-aw. amazon is soo 1999
[04:15] <p> good nigt ppz!
[04:16] <fightingfortofu> and tv out works!
[04:16] <Levander> lol @ jzaval for insisting on being trendy!
[04:16] <jzaval> you bet your sweet tosh </flamboyant>
[04:17] <jzaval> *toosh
[04:17] <Levander> you have a pink cell phone also?
[04:17] <jzaval> alright, goodnight guys...
[04:17] <epod> Why is it that no games I install or plugins work with my sound, but I have system sounds and xmms if set to esd has sound?  What kind of distro ships with broken sound?
[04:17] <jzaval> yes, levander, studded with rhinestones
[04:17] <jzaval> :-D
[04:18] <epod> all I am doing is installing say, tuxracer or supertux via synaptic.  Nothing weird.  It's something you'd expect to work
[04:19] <redemption> epod, it may be that you have a soundcard that doesn't do hardware mixing.
[04:19] <epod> redemption, that would be what esd is for, wouldn't it?
[04:19] <redemption> epod: thus ESD will be taking up the one channel your soundcard has.
[04:19] <thechitowncubs> where is the text file with all the network setup info?
[04:19] <epod> besides, supertux telling me /dev/sequencer doesn't exist seems to be a bit more than a sound channel issue
[04:19] <Levander> thechitowncubs: there are a few of them
[04:19] <thechitowncubs> Levander: which one is the most common
[04:20] <Levander> thechitowncubs: which specific entry?
[04:20] <redemption> epod: yeah, but not everything uses ESD. Most games for example.
[04:20] <thechitowncubs> static ips, essid names...
[04:20] <hypno> epod: that means you dont have midi support
[04:20] <epod> redemption, well, I mean, I hate to say it, but windows manages to pla multichannel sound.  Does Linux not have some facility to support it?
[04:20] <epod> hypno, ah.
[04:20] <Delph> epod: yes; but your packages aren't compiled to use it.
[04:20] <Levander> thechitowncubs: /etc/resolv.conf has where to find the name servers...
[04:20] <epod> Delph, I'm just using the ones from the ubuntu repositories.
[04:21] <Levander> thechitowncubs: what are you trying to do?
[04:21] <Delph> epod: just the ones from the core repositories?
[04:21] <hypno> epod: go ask the hardware manufacturers :)
[04:21] <epod> so is there a solution to this, asides from re-compliing all my packages?
[04:21] <Linforcer> hey, so I have these volume up and down buttons shortcuts mapped to keys on my keyboad, and I press them and I see some volume gauge go up and down, but it has no effect on the actual voulme >.> anyone have a clue why?
[04:21] <thechitowncubs> I'm trying to change my static IP
[04:21] <epod> hypno, that's not a solution to my issue and you know it :)
[04:21] <nopea> while I am here... anybody have an Epson Inkjet printer working?
[04:21] <thechitowncubs> but i think i messed up one of the files
[04:21] <epod> Delph, well, whichever repository supertux and tuxracer are in
[04:21] <redemption> Epod: by doing software mixing.  Alsa is working on this and has partially succeeded, but it's still in  the stage where it is hard to configure.  your best bet would be to purchase like a 20 buck SB live card.
[04:21] <Levander> thechitowncubs: hold on
[04:21] <Delph> epod: that's what I'm asking you.
[04:21] <fightingfortofu> getting the ati drivers and tv out working was actually very easy, i was just messing up with the formot of xorg.conf
[04:21] <thechitowncubs> nvm
[04:21] <thechitowncubs> i found it
[04:22] <thechitowncubs> /etc/network/interfaces
[04:22] <epod> redemption, unfortunately, I'm on a notebook.
[04:22] <Delph> epod: if you're pulling stuff in from universe then you can hardly complain.
[04:22] <epod> Delph, hang on let me check.
[04:22] <fightingfortofu> how do i change the tvs resolution?
[04:22] <hypno> epod: you don't recompile packages. Just remove esd and make sure you only play one thing at once. That's the only option unless your card has hardware multichannel support, really.
[04:22] <Levander> thechitowncubs: okay, good
[04:22] <epod> Delph, sure I can complain, it's yet another obstacle to 'Linux on the desktop' lol.  I mean., MS Windows can multichannel on my card, so there is no *technical* reason Linux can't.
[04:23] <nopea> CoreAudio can do it too :)
[04:23] <Delph> epod: it *can*
[04:23] <nopea> With Direct Monitoring to boot
[04:23] <Delph> you just don't have it capable of doing so by use of the magic wand.
[04:23] <dell500> closure, you still around?
[04:23] <epod> Well then, where is a howto?
[04:23] <Delph> which is what you get with half-rate hardware.
[04:23] <nickrud> epod, here you go: http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin
[04:23] <Determinist> ok , synaptic shows i have mysql installed , or at least i hope i got it right. how can i make sure it is so?
[04:23] <Delph> epod: *hands epod a C programming manual*
[04:24] <epod> Find me a notebook with a multichannel soundblaster, Delph.
[04:24] <epod> heh
[04:24] <xipho> i just installed vsftpd, where is the folder located to put files in?
[04:24] <epod> nickrud, k
[04:24] <redemption> *laughs* Delph, you going to say RTFM next? :-P
[04:24] <nickrud> epod, I've never used this, just repeating others
[04:24] <hypno> Determinist: if it says so then it is :)
[04:24] <closure> dell500, yeah man
[04:24] <xipho> heh, woops, sorry, i forgot about rtfm
[04:25] <hypno> Determinist: you can see the files installed by it and go check manually if you feel like it
[04:25] <Levander> how is it that "nano" is the default editor on these command line programs under hoary?  like less and svn?  How do I change that?  My EDITOR variable isn't currently set.
[04:25] <Determinist> erm , alright , thanks
[04:25] <Determinist> which mysql , or simply mysql did nothing
[04:26] <Determinist> i'll need the server and client , any good idea of what packages i need to have installed?
[04:26] <hypno> Legendre: see /etc/alternatives/editor - it's a symlink
[04:26] <hypno> Levander: even
[04:26] <hypno> bloody new xchat tab completion
[04:26] <AzMoo[w] > Hi guys. Is it possible to run windows programs that are already installed with wine, or do you need to install them under wine for registry keys and such?
[04:27] <dell500> what's the link to the unofficial ubuntu guide?
[04:27] <Delph> redemption: well, you're going to have to update things to use ALSA, if i remember right about Dmix
[04:27] <dcraven> Levander: update-alternatives --config editor
[04:27] <Janux> hi, what's the command for showing the current CPU usage on each processor?
[04:27] <Levander> hypno: /etc/alternatives/vi is linked to /usr/bin/vim
[04:27] <hypno> Determinist: mysql-server and mysql-client
[04:27] <Determinist> AzMoo[w] , possible to run once installed
[04:27] <Determinist> AzMoo[w] , you need not reinstall them under wine
[04:27] <Delph> it is scary alsa plugin, isn't it?
[04:27] <AzMoo[w] > Determinist, excellent, thanks :)
[04:27] <Determinist> hypno, thank you sir
[04:27] <nopea> gotta jet ppl.. cheers!
[04:28] <Determinist> AzMoo[w] , welcome , time i find a way to help you back :)
[04:28] <redemption> delph: yeah, dmix sucks configuring.  Though I think you meant to be talking to epod.
[04:28] <nickrud> this third person shit sucks
[04:28] <AzMoo[w] > Determinist, I thought I recognized your name ;)
[04:28] <Determinist> AzMoo[w] , php ;)
[04:28] <Delph> redemption: was replying to your TFM comment, in reply to my C code comment =:P
[04:28] <Levander> hypno: I ran that command you said.  Apparently the alternatives "editor" setting is stored somewhere else than in the link /etc/alternatives/vi.  Cause, it was set on nano.  I changed it to vi.  But, would like to know where that's set.
[04:29] <Levander> hypno: nevermind, it's set in /etc/alternatives/editor
[04:29] <Levander> hypno: thanks for you help getting that changed, was *major* annoyance for me that would come up occasionally.
[04:29] <hypno> Levander: that's what i said :/
[04:29] <dell500> is raid already supported in ubuntu ?
[04:30] <redemption> Delph: gotcha.   alsa can really be a bitch to set up, even with hardware mixing.
[04:32] <Levander> In ~/.bashrc there's a PS1 setting that lets you set your prompt to a color.  I want to change the color, anybody know how?
[04:33] <nickrud> Levander, http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Bash-Prompt-HOWTO/
[04:33] <Levander> hypno: sorry, must not have read so good
[04:33] <Levander> nickrud: checking out now, thanks
[04:33] <epod> nickrud, awesome, it's working.
[04:34] <nickrud> epod, thanks, know I know I can give out that link more often :)
[04:34] <xipho> i checked the man pages and the conf file and i still can't find where the directory for vsftp is, could someone help?
[04:35] <hypno> xipho: surely you specify the folder in the config file
[04:36] <xipho> hypno: in /etc/vsftpd.conf right?
[04:37] <stevenj> Has anyone had any success in transfering a file using Gaim (yahoo protocol)? I shows the transfer but never the other person if they want to receive it
[04:37] <hypno> xipho: i don't know, i've never used it, but i'd assume so
[04:38] <xipho> hypno: thanks, the man page was kinda sparse
[04:38] <doe34244> help gettting NVIDIA drivers working!?  I get the message Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[04:38] <bob2> doe34244: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:38] <doe34244> Ive installed the nvidia drivers via synaptic
[04:38] <bob2> did you do that yet?
[04:38] <] BreliC[> how do i force kill an process that just won't die?? kill pid just won't work
[04:39] <doe34244> kill -9 pid
[04:39] <bob2> that may or may not work
[04:39] <bob2> some processess are unkillable
[04:39] <] BreliC[> really?  an undead process??
[04:39] <doe34244> what if you strangle it to death?
[04:39] <] BreliC[> :)
[04:39] <hypno> you need the exorcise command for that
[04:39] <bob2> it's a zombie
[04:39] <guruff> hello my ubuntu is damn slow; text scrollin yields 100% cpu; and everything related with text scroling showith text is sloow - would anyone be able to help me with that; what to change; what to do ?
[04:39] <] BreliC[> doe34244, thanks, the -9 did it..
[04:40] <snw1972> I had a system working with warty; in particular networking was working.  Now that I have upgraded to hoary it doesn't seem to work anymore.  i can ping the local interface but not anything else on the network.  Any ideas for what to try?
[04:40] <doe34244> so anybody know how to get my nvidia drivers working? I installed the package. now I get this when running glxinfo: Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[04:40] <bob2> doe34244: dude
[04:40] <bob2> doe34244: did you read that page or not?
[04:40] <xipho> hypno: thank you for your help, it's working now
[04:40] <doe34244> bob2: no
[04:40] <hypno> snw1972: other than checking that the network settings are right? :)
[04:40] <bob2> doe34244: then go read it
[04:40] <bob2> doe34244: it explains everything you need to do
[04:41] <doe34244> bob2: thanks
[04:41] <doe34244> will do
[04:41] <FeJaOr> does anybody know what's the newest driver for an HP PSC 1210??
[04:41] <g14> FeJaOr: I'd be willing to bet your buddy google would
[04:41] <snw1972> hypno: I am pretty sure the network settings are right... but I have made dumb mistakes before.
[04:42] <FeJaOr> g14, there's 2 of them and don't know exactly which one is the "best"
[04:42] <Determinist> i think ubuntu 5.04 has to be the best OS for my laptop , this is not the case however for my P4 test server , gonna stay with Fedora on that , better administration abilities and less defaults.
[04:43] <] BreliC[> g14, lol
[04:43] <snw1972> hypno: I have it set up with static IP, 192.168.1.3/24.  Other machines at  192.168.1.1 and 192.168.1.2 can ping each other, but not this box.
[04:43] <Jerub> Determinist: you would use fedora for a server?
[04:43] <snw1972> hypno: During install it claimed it couldn't find a DHCP server, but there is one of those as well.
[04:43] <g14> FeJaOr: ok thats better, send me the link to both and I will try to help you
[04:43] <Jerub> (someone would use ubuntu for a server?)
[04:43] <Determinist> Jerub, a testing server , yes , it is far more friendly on the administrative side
[04:43] <g14> If you don't mind rpms, try CentOS 4 for a server
[04:44] <Jerub> Determinist: any testing server should be 100% the same as the production server...
[04:44] <brian_> I uncommented the lines in sources.list to allow access to 'universe' in apt.  when I run apt-get update I get a GPG error : unkown error executing gpgv
[04:44] <g14> A production server should undergo much more security testing and hardening
[04:44] <Janux> hi, does anyone know the command for showing the current processes with CPU usage like the one that you can see in M$ windows?
[04:45] <bob2> Janux: top
[04:45] <Janux> bob2, thanks a lot
[04:45] <brian_> Janux, or install gtop
[04:45] <Determinist> Jerub, well , it is for personal use with php/mysql/apache , no critical data would be stored on it , at least for now
[04:45] <thechitowncubs> Hey
[04:45] <hypno> snw1972: assuming your physical connection is ok and the driver for your card loaded ok you can set the dhcp etc options in the System menu ->Adminstration->Networking applet
[04:46] <Jerub> Determinist: but how can you test when you have different hardware and software?
[04:46] <snw1972> Hypno: I did a server install, I don't have any of the graphical stuff.
[04:46] <hypno> snw1972: then edit /etc/network/interfaces
[04:47] <Determinist> Jerub, well , i need to test the functionality of the code i write , not the platform. good code == portable code.
[04:47] <Janux> bob2, what program will run python at the background all the time in Ubuntu? it eats up 30% of my CPU usage all the time, is it X-Chat?
[04:47] <snw1972> Hypno: Ayup, that's what I have been doing.  As far as physical connections go, I at least see the lights blink on the hub.
[04:48] <bob2> Janux: doubt it
[04:48] <Stryfe> Hello everyone.
[04:48] <bob2> Janux: find the pid in top, then use 'ps auxf' to see the tree of processes, so you can see who the parent is.
[04:49] <Janux> bob2, ic...thanks, let me try
[04:49] <thundrcleeze> hi Stryfe
[04:49] <Epix-> lol. the sucidal persons first program: echo "goodbye world";
[04:49] <TechLord> what are some good games for linux
[04:49] <Epix-> TechLord, I like banner
[04:49] <thundrcleeze> depends on what you want, TechLord
[04:49] <hypno> snw1972: that could be any traffic, though. sudo mii-tool will show the physical connection status
[04:49] <Epix-> TechLord, you have no clue how fun it is to put a laptop on its side and then banner fuck u and scrolll it
[04:49] <Cowlike> quake 3 arena  :)  (not free, of course)
[04:50] <thundrcleeze> frozen bubble is addictive.
[04:50] <dcraven> enemy-territory is fun, although non-free again.
[04:50] <xon> I have a text file, whats the easiest way for me to find out how many times a specific word occurs in it?
[04:50] <dcraven> no-cost, but non-free.
[04:50] <Janux> bob2, how do you see that? it's pretty confusing
[04:50] <Epix-> Cowlike, how do you run q3 on linux?
[04:50] <Epix-> Cowlike, and.. where can i get it?
[04:50] <dcraven> Epix-: id
[04:51] <Delph> Epix-: by using the native linux port... see id's site if it's not in a repository somewhere.
[04:51] <snw1972> hypno: The network doesn't have a lot of traffic so it's reasonably reasonable to correlate.  I did the mii-tool thing, it says eth0: negotiated 100baseTx-FD, link ok.  That sounds like a good thing...
[04:51] <dcraven> Epix-: you can use your windows data files
[04:51] <Epix-> dcraven, coolio
[04:51] <Janux> bob2, omg...found it...the gdesklets is eating up my resources...
[04:51] <Cowlike> there is a linux client but you need the files from windows
[04:51] <Janux> bob2, thank you so much
[04:51] <thundrcleeze> Cowlike, can't you use files from the demo?  Or is that another game?
[04:51] <Cowlike> just search for "linux q3 arena" and you'll find the linux binaries
[04:52] <Cowlike> hmmm... the demo probably works too but you won't have many maps :)
[04:52] <dcraven> enemy-territory is fun as hell.
[04:52] <hypno> snw1972: try ip route list to check that traffic for 192.168.1.0/24 is going through the right inteface
[04:53] <snw1972> hypno:
[04:53] <hypno> snw1972: or replace 'static' with 'dhcp' in the interfaces config file to try dhcp
[04:54] <Cowlike> isn't there a linux version of America's Army too?
[04:54] <thundrcleeze> What is the way to change the default browser?
[04:54] <thundrcleeze> Yes, Cowlike
[04:54] <snw1972> hypno: ip route list says: 192.168.1.0/24 dev eth0 proto kernel scope link src 192.168.1.3
[04:54] <snw1972> default via 192.168.1.1 dev eth0
[04:54] <HrdwrBoB> Cowlike: yes
[04:54] <joltcola> I'm creating a live cd of  ubuntu-5.04-live-amd64.iso  I just finished downloaded. And I've got a cd burning question, could someone help with that?
[04:55] <fightingfortofu> why does firefox seem sluggish compared to when i used it in windows?
[04:55] <hypno> snw1972: sounds alright, if 1.1 is your router. can you ping out to the internet from the server?
[04:56] <Determinist> what i wanna know is if the drivers for linux for the ati/nvidia fps busters are actually taking advantage of what the hardware has to offer?
[04:56] <snw1972> hypno: If I ping 192.168.1.1 I get "From 192.168.1.3 icmp_seq=2 Destination Host Unreachable"
[04:57] <snw1972> hypno: I seem to get that if I try to ping anything else besides 192.168.1.3.
[04:57] <Determinist> snw1972, no route , make sure you have a default gateway set up and if the nic is functional
[04:57] <snw1972> hypno: Yes, 1.1 is my router
[04:58] <snw1972> determinist: in my interfaces file I have gateway 192.168.1.1, shouldn't that set up my default gateway?
[04:58] <Levander> Okay, thanks nickrud, I got the color of my bash prompt changed.
[04:58] <Levander> Now, where is the LS_COLORS variable set in hoary.  Don't see it in ~/.bashrc or /etc/bash.bashrc
[04:58] <Levander> ?
[04:58] <Determinist> snw1972, is your nic static IP or DHCP?
[04:58] <flodine> can someone tell me why the soulmachine site not working
[04:58] <snw1972> Determinist: static.
[04:59] <joltcola> cowlike: Are you trying to chat?
[04:59] <Determinist> snw1972, any reason why you shouldnt use the router's dhcp?
[04:59] <Mace68> has anybody experienced terribly slow LAN trsnfer speeds in hoary?
[04:59] <nickrud> Levander, man dircolors
[04:59] <Determinist> snw1972, that *should* give you the proper settings and set up a proper routing table
[04:59] <flodine> anyone using soulmachine in repsitory
[04:59] <snw1972> determinist: I tend to make my servers use static addresses.
[04:59] <Levander> nickrud: thanks again!
[05:00] <flodine> hello buntu folks
[05:00] <Determinist> snw1972, hmm , so you're basically not capable of accessing ... what?
[05:00] <nickrud> Levander, I followed this path a while ago, it's a fun one :)
[05:00] <flodine> can someone tell me why the soulmachine site not working
[05:01] <snw1972> determinist: I can't seem to access the network at all.  During install it said it couldn't find a DHCP server, although there should be one available.  It's like my packets are being eaten, except I see blinkenlights.
[05:01] <Nalioth> flodine, what is soulmachine?
[05:01] <Levander> nickrud: i'm beginning to understand your taunt...
[05:01] <nickrud> Levander, which one, I'm a known taunter :)
[05:01] <Determinist> snw1972, does this happen with other machines on your network , or just this one?
[05:02] <hypno> snw1972: hmm. Try and rule out any odd physical connection problems. Try mii-diag, ethtool, other cables.. strange things happen sometimes.
[05:02] <Levander> about dircolors being a "fun" path
[05:02] <snw1972> determininst: Things had worked with warty, when I upgraded to hoary it started doing this, so then I did a full install of hoary and it is still doing this.
[05:02] <snw1972> determinist: Yeah, all my other machines seem happy.
[05:02] <snw1972> mii-diag reported things were ok.
[05:03] <Determinist> snw1972, paste the contents of what route says in terminal
[05:03] <snw1972> determinist: I should be so lucky as to be able to paste them, all would be well.  :)
[05:03] <snw1972> Determinist:
[05:04] <Determinist> snw1972, that means what? cant you open a terminal , punch in the word route , press enter and do a copy paste? lol
[05:04] <hypno> Determinist: copy paste to what? the box can't get online
[05:04] <Determinist> ohh , ohh
[05:05] <geneo93> duh
[05:05] <Determinist> ohh hush , it's 6 am , been up since 5 am yesterday :P
[05:05] <Seq> well wireless in windows sucks. the card keeps resetting itself every three minutes or so
[05:05] <Determinist> snw1972, what's the contents of route ... without copy-pasting ...
[05:05] <snw1972> determinist:
[05:05] <snw1972> route -n
[05:05] <snw1972> Destination Gateway     Genmask Flags Metric Ref use Ifac
[05:05] <snw1972> 192.168.1.0 0.0.0.0     255.255.255.0 U  0 0 0 eth0
[05:05] <snw1972> 0.0.0.0     192.168.1.1 0.0.0.0       UG 0 0 0 eth0
[05:06] <Determinist> seems to be right
[05:06] <Determinist> it's not a routing issue
[05:07] <sono> hey friends... does anyone knows how to trim a PS file with useless blank space around the content?  maybe a psutils thing or such
[05:07] <snw1972> Determinist: Well, y'all have to take my word on the addresses and stuff, but yeah the routing table seemed right to me as well.  I'm still hoping it's something stupid where I've transposed an IP address or something.
[05:08] <Determinist> i hope so lol
[05:08] <Determinist> otherwise you're dealing with fucked up wires , like hypno suggested
[05:08] <nickrud> this is kinda off topic, but any observations why all the more recent softwart that's interesting (muine & beagle off the top of my head) is c#?
[05:08] <hypno> because its easier to write, i guess
[05:09] <kg6gfq> anyone know where to find the source (tgz format) for the amd64 ubuntu kernel?
[05:09] <bob2> kg6gfq: in the kernel-source package
[05:09] <nickrud> hypno, I stopped coding a long time ago, is it really easier?
[05:09] <bob2> sono: pscrop? gimp?
[05:09] <Marble2> how can I setup mplayer to use the xine engine for sound output
[05:09] <andrewski> Marble2: use xine-ui?
[05:09] <bob2> kg6gfq: but why?
[05:10] <bob2> Marble2: why do you want that?
[05:10] <hypno> nickrud: i havent used it, but its on a par with python afaik, which i do use. And yes, it's easier and faster (i felt)
[05:10] <andrewski> how can i tell samba to start on boot?
[05:10] <bob2> andrewski: it does already
[05:10] <sono> thx bob2... I ll google for pscrop Thx so much
[05:10] <snw1972> determinist: I just replaced cable, same thing.  It would be a big coincidence if it was that, just last night I did the apt-get upgrade-dist, things were working ok then.
[05:10] <hypno> Marble2: i dont think you can do that
[05:10] <Marble2> bob2: Well I wasn't getting sound in amarok or mplayer, but I configured amarok to use xine as the output, and it works now. So I want to get sound working in mplayer by doing the same
[05:10] <andrewski> bob2: hmm, not sure about that.  i just started it manually.  how can i check?
[05:11] <nickrud> hypno, huh. miquel does something else right, I guess :)
[05:11] <Marble2> is xine-ui totem-xine?
[05:11] <bob2> Marble2: you probably just want mplayer to use esd for output
[05:11] <nickrud> miquel*
[05:11] <bob2> andrewski: by default it starts on boot
[05:11] <andrewski> Marble2: totem is a frontend for xine.
[05:11] <Marble2> esd as output gives no sound
[05:11] <bob2> andrewski: if you didn't change it, it will be
[05:11] <Marble2> well totem has sound
[05:11] <Determinist> snw1972, would try removing the NIC and reinstalling it ... perhaps it's a driver issue of some sort
[05:11] <hypno> Marble2: mplayer has excellent sound support of its own, but if you are using a package version it depends on how it was compiled
[05:11] <Marble2> but I just thought it'd be nice to have mplayer sound working
[05:11] <bob2> "xine output" doesn't mean anything in particular
[05:11] <andrewski> bob2: yes, but perhaps i did?  how do i check whether or not it's configured to?
[05:11] <bob2> you need to find out what xine is doing
[05:11] <bob2> andrewski: ls /etc/rc.2/S*samba
[05:12] <snw1972> determinist: You suggested ethtool; how do I use that?
[05:12] <andrewski> bob2: yeah, it's not there.
[05:12] <bob2> andrewski: you can use update-rc.d to restore it
[05:12] <bob2> or just ln
[05:12] <Determinist> snw1972, actually , hypno did , i've never used ethtools , but supposedly they should diagnose ethernet problems
[05:13] <hypno> sudo ethtool eth0 will give you some info
[05:13] <fightingfortofu> im trying to install ut2k4 and the install has a prompt for the second cd but im unable to eject media, device is busy
[05:13] <bread> hi
[05:13] <Dethread> fightingfortofu, unmount it first
[05:13] <bread> hey
[05:14] <fightingfortofu> dethread, how do you unmount? i am rigth clicking the cd on the desktop and selecting eject
[05:14] <bread> do u wanna chat
[05:14] <Dethread> fightingfortofu, in a terminal, type "sudo umount /dev/cdrom"
[05:14] <hypno> fightingfortofu: lsof /dev/cdrom to find out what is using it. If a program has a mounted file open, you can't unmount it.
[05:15] <Mace68> anybody know why my samba transfer speeds are slow as mud? I've getting files from 2 different machines via samba and it's the same on both... slow.
[05:15] <bob2> bread: this isn't a general chat channel
[05:15] <] BreliC[> fightingfortofu, hmm... i had the same problem with UT2004 and there's a website somewhere describing the right way to install it (at least the pain-free way)
[05:15] <fightingfortofu> ] BreliC[, remember the url by chance?
[05:15] <andrewski> bob2: "update-rc.d: warning: /etc/rc2.d/K09samba is not a link to ../init.d/samba"
[05:16] <andrewski> bob2: am i doing it wrong?
[05:16] <fightingfortofu> also, thanks everyone!
[05:16] <snw1972> hypno: I did the sudo ethtool eth0; down at the bottom it implies it thinks the link is ok.
[05:16] <bob2> andrewski: erm
[05:16] <bob2> andrewski: what is it a link to then?
[05:16] <] BreliC[> fightingfortofu, no, that was last year
[05:17] <andrewski> bob2: i don't know; i was just doing 'update-rc.d samba defaults'
[05:17] <stuNNed> bob2: you down under at teh fest?
[05:17] <snw1972> hypno, determinist: I think I'm going to have to sleep on this one and come back tomorrow.  Thanks for the help from both of you!
[05:18] <hypno> snw1972: no problem
[05:18] <Determinist> snw1972, most welcome mate , sorry it didnt work out tho :)
[05:18] <bob2> andrewski: 'ls -l /etc/rc2.d/K09samba' prints what?
[05:18] <bob2> stuNNed: yes
[05:18] <bob2> where fest = work
[05:19] <andrewski> bob2: /etc/rc2.d/K09samba -> /samba
[05:19] <bob2> blah
[05:19] <snw1972> Maybe I'll go back to warty and see if the network comes back.  If it does seem to be tied to the OS version; what would I do next?
[05:19] <bob2> you've been cracked for very sloppy
[05:19] <hypno> snw1972: do you know what driver your net card uses?
[05:20] <stuNNed> bob2: awesome, wish i was there
[05:20] <snw1972> hypno: I have no idea.  How would I find out?
[05:20] <bob2> andrewski: delete that link
[05:20] <hypno> snw1972: dmesg | grep eth0 might show it
[05:21] <kg6gfq_> srry, didn't see if there was an answer to my question about where to find tgz's for the ubuntu amd64 kernel
[05:21] <andrewski> bob2: ah, ok.  now it worked.
[05:21] <bob2> kg6gfq_: ...
[05:21] <bob2> kg6gfq_: in the kernel-source package
[05:21] <bob2> kg6gfq_: but why?
[05:21] <kg6gfq_> need them to compile wifi drivers
[05:21] <andrewski> bob2: and i could replace samba with any service i wanted to add to boot?
[05:22] <bob2> kg6gfq_: no, you don't.  what driver are you trying to compile?
[05:22] <bob2> andrewski: well, yes, except that anything you install will be setup to start on boot automatically
[05:22] <kg6gfq_> rt2500
[05:22] <andrewski> bob2: well, i had edited one to be a different service and couldn't figure out how to switch to that one.  but i got it now, thanks. :)
[05:23] <thundrcleeze> How do I change the default web browser?  Konqueror shows up, and I want it to be firefox when I click a link.
[05:23] <bob2> kg6gfq_: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Rt2500WirelessCardsHowTo
[05:24] <hypno> thundrcleeze: kde apps will default to konqueror. You can probably use kcontrol to change it
[05:24] <kg6gfq_> thanks
[05:24] <thundrcleeze> Xchat isn't a kde app, is it?
[05:24] <andrewski> thundrcleeze: no, konversation is.
[05:24] <dell500> iv'e got a raid array, but i'm not sure how to mount it
[05:25] <snw1972> hypno: Wow that has a lot of things go by.  lots of things like e100: eth0: transmit timed out
[05:25] <thundrcleeze> yes, but I'm not running kde right now, I'm running gnome.
[05:25] <hypno> snw1972: sounds cable like to me
[05:25] <snw1972> hypno: Both cables?
[05:25] <andrewski> thundrcleeze: preferred applications in the gnome control center?
[05:25] <hypno> both?
[05:26] <snw1972> hypno: Awhile back I switched cables.
[05:26] <thundrcleeze> andrewski, it's set to firefox.
[05:26] <guruff> question about hotplug daemon: it starts in rcS and then is killed? or is running somewhere in the background all the time ?
[05:26] <andrewski> thundrcleeze: which app are you running that starts konq?
[05:27] <bob2> guruff: the kernel calls it when things happen
[05:27] <bob2> guruff: don't mess with it, basically
[05:27] <thundrcleeze> andrewski: right now?  Xchat.
[05:27] <andrewski> thundrcleeze: xchat has its own configuration for web browser launching.
[05:27] <hypno> snw1972: only thing i've seen to cause that is a low level hardware problem of some sort. Unlikely to be a config or driver issue.
[05:27] <andrewski> thundrcleeze: any others?
[05:27] <guruff> bob2; when what happens? every n seconds to check if there is no device connected; or when external int is rised?
[05:28] <snw1972> hypno: I'll try warty tomorrow and see what happens. Thanks again!
[05:28] <bob2> guruff: when the kernel decides something has been hotpluged. I guess the usb controller raises an interupt, or the pcihp controller, or whatever
[05:28] <RRubin> hrm is there a trick to getting flash sounds to work?
[05:28] <thundrcleeze> andrewski: Yes, I've found it in settings -> advanced.
[05:28] <nickrud> thundrcleeze, andrewski the way to control what browser is loaded is to update-alternatives --config x-www-browser
[05:28] <guruff> hmmm... ok
[05:28] <guruff> bob2; thx
[05:29] <andrewski> nickrud: yes, but when is that actually used?
[05:29] <nickrud> when someting calls debian-sensible-browser
[05:29] <andrewski> nickrud: yes, but what does? :P
[05:29] <dell500> does anyone here know how to mount an exisiting raid0 array into ubuntu??
[05:29] <thundrcleeze> andrewski, xchat does
[05:30] <andrewski> thundrcleeze: hmm.
[05:30] <bob2> dell500: you need to give way more details
[05:30] <nickrud> andrewski, /etc/alternatives is a means for controlling what the default program for various functions
[05:30] <bob2> dell500: do you mean "Does anyone know how to mount an existing linux software raid-0 array?"?
[05:30] <thundrcleeze> andrewski, it supports most browsers, but the default "Open in web browser" calls that.
[05:30] <andrewski> nickrud: user-specific or system-wide?
[05:31] <nickrud> system-wide
[05:31] <andrewski> nickrud: yeah, that's not so good....
[05:31] <thechitowncubs> are there any decent games that can be played over LAN
[05:31] <thechitowncubs> none that are too intensive though
[05:32] <nickrud> andrewski, that can be true if more than one use the system
[05:32] <dell500> bob2, yessum :)
[05:32] <dell500> i need to find what dev it's on and then i think i can modify /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf
[05:32] <nomasteryoda> bob2, et al UBUNTU ROCKS suse's socks off
[05:32] <thechitowncubs> lol
[05:32] <nickrud> if only one uses the system, it gives you a means of controlling what is run, wherever you are
[05:32] <sagara> is there someone who knows a lot about using matching patterns with grep here?
[05:32] <nomasteryoda> i thought the new suse 9.3 was going to be slick... well it sx
[05:32] <thechitowncubs> Any games good over LAN?
[05:33] <nomasteryoda> bzflag
[05:33] <nomasteryoda> Enemy Territory
[05:33] <nomasteryoda> free*
[05:33] <thechitowncubs> i don't think my sister's comp can handle that
[05:33] <nickrud> andrewski, and it's nearly always the reason the program you expect to run is not run.
[05:33] <thechitowncubs> specs are only 500mhz
[05:33] <nomasteryoda> lol
[05:33] <thechitowncubs> =(
[05:33] <nomasteryoda> kbattleship
[05:34] <nomasteryoda> it is low end network game
[05:34] <nomasteryoda> kinda fun too
[05:34] <nomasteryoda> with sounds on both ends
[05:34] <WW> sagara: That depends on what you mean by "a lot".  Ask your question and you'll find out :)
[05:34] <thechitowncubs> sweet
[05:34] <thechitowncubs> thanks
[05:34] <aldug> occy: I had to compile it, I couldn't find a package anywhere
[05:34] <thechitowncubs> ah crap, kde
[05:35] <sagara> well here is my issue
[05:35] <sagara> i have a line that looks like this
[05:35] <sagara> 06:59:41.953943 blah blah blah
[05:36] <tjs> how do you do a for loop in a deb rules file?
[05:36] <sagara> the time (06:59:41) changes in every file i work with... what i want to do is basically string tokenize that guy and extrat the time (in that case it would be 06:59:41)
[05:36] <tjs> its run with make I believe
[05:36] <sagara> all of this in Cshell
[05:37] <thechitowncubs> KDE needs to cut down on all the bloat
[05:38] <hypno> sagara: grep is better at getting whole lines. For your job i'd use cut
[05:38] <tjs> thechitowncubs: have you written a linux desktop? or even a WM? people who say stuff like that rarely have contributed anything themselves
[05:38] <chavo> thechitowncubs, haven't used KDE in a while, have you?
[05:38] <hypno> sagara: something like cut -d "." -f 1
[05:38] <thechitowncubs> tjs: actually i made linux =P
[05:39] <sagara> let me look into that command
[05:39] <tjs> hahaha
[05:39] <RRubin> thechitowncubs: there are millions of minimalistic wms. try googleing for ios
[05:39] <tjs> ion3 is a good minimalistic 'wm'
[05:39] <chillywilly> hey people anyone ever get this with marillat's mplayer: mplayer: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libavcodec.so.0: undefined symbol: NeAACDecOpen ?
[05:39] <RRubin> ion, thats what i ment
[05:40] <thechitowncubs> RRubin: I like Gnome
[05:40] <thechitowncubs> clean and efficient
[05:40] <dell500> so does anyone know how to mount an already existing linux raid array??
[05:40] <thechitowncubs> it could be a tad faster though
[05:40] <Fanglez> anyone in Oz order ubuntu cd's know how long they take to get here?
[05:40] <RRubin> thechitowncubs: ubuntu gnome is ok.
[05:41] <thechitowncubs> RRubin: I love gnome and ubuntu
[05:41] <tjs> Fanglez: I ordered some warty ones back when they first came out. they took about 3 weeks to arrive, i ordered some hoary ones about a week ago and they have not arrived yet. Im in hobart
[05:41] <sagara> hypno: ^_^ awesome!!! thanks a lot hypno, you just saved me a lot of work trying to get grep to work
[05:41] <hypno> sagara: no prob
[05:41] <Fanglez> I'm in Melbourne and drooling. The latest live image worked so well I want to badger others into it
[05:42] <sagara> hypno can i pm you?
[05:42] <hypno> sure
[05:48] <RRubin> thechitowncubs: on other distros, kde's value is that 'everything just works', without ubuntu gnome can suck
[05:54] <cens0red> aside from openoffice-writer, and kword, there's another quite good OS word processor. What's its name again?
[05:54] <jsubl2> abiword
[05:54] <inc> sup channel
[05:54] <cens0red> jsubl2 thanx that's the one!
[05:55] <inc> anyone have prob with apps crashing in hoary?
[05:56] <FeJaOr> can anybody help me on uninstall a 3rd party program??
[05:56] <FeJaOr> I got problems installing a software for my PSC 1210 and now I have bunch of errors and stuff
[05:56] <inc> FeJaOr, how you install it?
[05:57] <FeJaOr> inc, I was following the instructions but something went wrong that didn't let me to finish the installation
[05:57] <FeJaOr> inc, and now I don't have the software properly installed and a bunch of errors
[05:58] <inc> FeJaOr, kinda low on the details
[05:58] <inc> you use deb or compile?
[05:58] <inc> what kind of software
[05:58] <hornblower> hey all
[05:59] <FeJaOr> inc, compile....a software for my printer (HP PSC 1210)
[05:59] <dell500> does anyone know how to mount an already existing linux raid array??
[06:00] <inc> can't recompile?
[06:00] <hornblower> i'm getting error 21 on boot with grub, and lilo won't install at all... i've read up and found that this is because of cmos settings in bios, but I thought maybe someone here might know if it could be caused by something else before I start altering bios settings?
[06:00] <hornblower> I got no floppies, or i'd just make a boot disk and forget the loader alltogether...
[06:00] <FeJaOr> inc, I downloaded the latest driver and software from the webpage but got errors when compiling it and now Im on the middle of the installation and can't go any further and can't go back either
[06:02] <FeJaOr> inc, and now I can't delete either the program or the folder with all the installation files
[06:04] <FeJaOr> HELPPPP
[06:04] <|QuaD-> FeJaOr: HELPPP
[06:05] <closure> i have a question
[06:05] <Jerub> how do I get ubuntu to run a command after login?
[06:05] <dell500> raid? anyone!? does anyone know??!
[06:06] <FeJaOr> |QuaD-, I have this problem
[06:06] <FeJaOr> |QuaD-, I got problems installing a software for my PSC 1210 and now I have bunch of errors and stuff
[06:06] <FeJaOr> |QuaD-, I downloaded the latest driver and software from the webpage but got errors when compiling it and now Im on the middle of the installation and can't go any further and can't go back either
[06:06] <FeJaOr> |QuaD-, and now I can't delete either the program or the folder with all the installation files
[06:07] <|QuaD-> FeJaOr: oh. interesting
[06:07] <juez> hi
[06:07] <juez> anyone there?
[06:08] <juez> ???
[06:08] <|QuaD-> i am
[06:08] <nickrud> juez, yeah, just sleepy ;)
[06:08] <juez> i need help getting a linksys WUSBG54 running
[06:08] <juez> i installed ndiswrapper
[06:09] <FeJaOr> |QuaD-, can you help me out with this problem??
[06:09] <juez> but i cant make ndiswrapper to get the drivers :S
[06:09] <|QuaD-> FeJaOr: no
[06:09] <Nalioth> FeJaOr, are you familiar with linux?
[06:09] <juez> juez@Oscar:~$ sudo  ndiswrapper -i /home/juez/desktop/wusb54g.cat
[06:09] <juez> Installing wusb54g.cat
[06:09] <juez> cp: no se puede efectuar `stat' sobre /home/juez/desktop/wusb54g.cat: No existe el fichero o el directorio
[06:09] <FeJaOr> Nalioth, so so
[06:10] <FeJaOr> Nalioth, why??
[06:10] <juez> anyone can help me?
[06:10] <hypno> juez: try Desktop ..?
[06:11] <dell500> does anyone know how to mount an already existing linux raid array??
[06:12] <HrdwrBoB> dell500: the same way you mounted it before
[06:12] <nickrud> hypno, juez and here i thought the language would be a problem, & it's the captialization :)
[06:12] <HrdwrBoB> with mdadm
[06:12] <juez> i tried with Desktop
[06:13] <juez> but still the same problem :S
[06:13] <mooniker> does anyone know a good tutorial for seting up network interfaces? i'm a relative newbie and the man pages are too complicated for me.
[06:13] <juez> juez@Oscar:~$ sudo  ndiswrapper -l
[06:13] <juez> Installed ndis drivers:
[06:13] <juez> wusb54g invalid driver!
[06:13] <pimaniac> ndiswrapper should be run on an .inf file
[06:14] <juez> yes
[06:14] <juez> look
[06:14] <pimaniac> mooniker:  if it works when you plug into a mac or windows box, type "sudo dhclient"
[06:14] <juez> juez@Oscar:~$ sudo  ndiswrapper -i /home/juez/Desktop/wusb54g.inf
[06:14] <juez> Installing wusb54g
[06:14] <juez> cp: no se puede efectuar `stat' sobre /home/juez/Desktop/wusb54g.inf: No existe el fichero o el directorio
[06:14] <juez> juez@Oscar:~$ sudo  ndiswrapper -l
[06:14] <juez> Installed ndis drivers:
[06:14] <juez> wusb54g invalid driver!
[06:14] <RRubin> juez: is the driver from the ndiswrapper 'known working list' ?
[06:14] <drcodedd2> Hi all
[06:14] <drcodedd2> how I can put script to run after ubuntu boot?
[06:14] <mooniker> dhclient...
[06:14] <juez> yes it is in the working list
[06:15] <RRubin> juez: and you got it from where it says?
[06:15] <AMD> i've got a question, i'm a n00b and am trying to get totem movie player to run, but everytime i try to start it, and error message comes up
[06:15] <juez> ndiswrapper or the driver?
[06:15] <RRubin> juez: the driver
[06:15] <juez> form the lynksis page, from the link that appears on the list of supported cards by ndiswrapper
[06:15] <nickrud> AMD, and the error is .....
[06:16] <RRubin> juez: hrm. maybe you should try version 1.1
[06:16] <AMD> Resource busy or unavailable
[06:16] <RRubin> juez: i had to compile it when ubuntu's version didnt work for me
[06:16] <juez> of ndiswrapper? i got it from: sudo apt-get install ndiswrapper -utils
[06:16] <juez> that downloaded the latest version, no?
[06:17] <nickrud> AMD, what does lsof | grep /dev/dsp say?
[06:17] <AMD> nickrud: type that in terminal?
[06:17] <nickrud> AMD, yes
[06:17] <RRubin> juez: no. i found some debian from source instructions on their site that worked for me to get 1.1
[06:17] <mierda> alguien habla espaol ?
[06:17] <juez> then how i do that?
[06:17] <juez> yo :D
[06:18] <mierda> :D
[06:18] <mierda> me puede ayudar ?
[06:18] <pimaniac> enough to be offended by the nick :-p
[06:18] <juez> jajjajajaja
[06:18] <RRubin> juez: get ndiswrapper-source_1.1-1_i386.deb
[06:18] <juez> de q? yo no c mucho
[06:18] <Nalioth> FeJaOr, what problems are u experienceing?
[06:18] <juez> with apt?
[06:18] <AMD> nickrud: esd       6737    buulian    5w      CHR       14,3               6640 /dev/dsp
[06:18] <dell500> HrdwrBoB, well the last time i did it, i edited the mdraid file, but that's not there anymore
[06:19] <RRubin> juez: no, i forget but i think i d/l'd it from someones site
[06:19] <HrdwrBoB> try /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf iirc
[06:19] <dell500> HrdwrBoB, if i edit that, and then mount the /dev/md0, would that work??
[06:19] <juez> ok i got that file
[06:19] <juez> now what should i do?
[06:19] <HrdwrBoB> if you edit that
[06:20] <HrdwrBoB> and then run the correct mdadm command
[06:20] <HrdwrBoB> it should work
[06:20] <HrdwrBoB> look up some documentation on google
[06:20] <juez> RRubin: ?
[06:20] <RRubin> juez: install it, it should show up in /usr/src
[06:20] <juez> :s how do i install it? :(
[06:20] <mierda> alguien que hable espaol me ayude ?
[06:20] <dell500> HrdwrBoB, i found a REALLY difficult way to do it with the kernal pkg, but it has to be supported already
[06:20] <RRubin> juez: look for the step by step on there wiki
[06:20] <pimaniac> mierda: si.  un poco
[06:20] <nickrud> AMD, I hate to do this, but ... it's late here, and i have to bail. I was hoping it was a quick fix, and i'm sorry.
[06:20] <juez> :S it has 2 tar.gz
[06:21] <AMD> no worries
[06:21] <juez> and a debian bynari
[06:21] <RRubin> juez: you untar it and go into the dir and run like, debian/rules modules
[06:21] <RRubin> somethin like that
[06:21] <mierda> pimaniac  lo que pasa es quecambie la pantalla de inicio del ununtu y no me cargo entonces no me carga el escritorio :S
[06:21] <nickrud> AMD, I'll be around again tomorrow, if i can help with anything, just ask, and i'll try
[06:21] <AMD> ok
[06:21] <RRubin> it unpacks in /usr/src/modules/ndiswrapper/
[06:21] <juez> i dont understand nothing :D:D:D:D
[06:21] <AMD> i'm just having nothing but troubles with linux programs
[06:21] <juez> anything
[06:22] <RRubin> juez: your gonna have to find the directions on the site. i did it 2 weeks ago
[06:22] <juez> on what site?
[06:22] <RRubin> ndiswrappers site. use google man.
[06:23] <RRubin> juez: if you just want it to work and dont care how, you can have my binary .debs tho it would be silly of you to trust them
[06:23] <pimaniac> mierda: hay un error?
[06:23] <mierda> pimaniac  seee
[06:23] <mierda> esto me sale
[06:24] <AMD> why can't i run .bin files
[06:24] <AMD> they just won't run
[06:24] <juez> i know ;)
[06:24] <RRubin> amd: chmod u+x file.bin ?
[06:24] <AMD> oh
[06:24] <AMD> and then what?
[06:24] <RRubin> amd: ./file.bin
[06:24] <pimaniac> mierda.  lo ciento.  mi espanol es muy malo.  que?
[06:24] <AMD> ok
[06:24] <Nalioth> AMD execute them
[06:25] <mierda> pimaniac /usr/share/gdm/themes/bluecurve/rh_logo_header.png es te fichero o directorio no esxiste
[06:25] <pimaniac> ah
[06:25] <pimaniac> ok
[06:25] <mierda> como lo puedo cambiar de alguna forma ?
[06:25] <Nalioth> AMD you can write a text file, and with chmod turn it into an executable (cant be done on windoze)
[06:26] <juez> ubuntu doesnt let me modify the apt sources list
[06:26] <EnterD> http://nutsack.com/
[06:26] <juez> how do i change it?
[06:26] <Nalioth> juez sure it does
[06:26] <RRubin> juez: you can change it from
[06:26] <pimaniac> mierda: puede tecleo derecho en el escritorio?
[06:26] <phenotype_> anyone know of problems with laptop batteries
[06:26] <juez> it opnes it like a read only file
[06:26] <RRubin> synaptic
[06:26] <RRubin> are you using sudo?
[06:26] <Nalioth> juez you have to sudo your text editor
[06:26] <pimaniac> phenotype:  it cant detect my charge in gnome, just kde :)
[06:26] <mierda> pimaniac  esque estoy en consola
[06:26] <juez> ??'
[06:27] <phenotype_> kde detects it?
[06:27] <juez> how?
[06:27] <phenotype_> im using gnome
[06:27] <AMD> thank you so much rrubin
[06:27] <RRubin> amd: no prob
[06:27] <hypno> mierda: puedes cambiar el theme de la pantalla de inicio en /etc/gdm/gdm.conf Busca a "GraphicalTheme"
[06:27] <juez> how do i sudo the text editor?
[06:27] <phenotype_> pimaniac, gnome problems with battery?
[06:27] <mierda> okis
[06:27] <pimaniac> hypno: gracias.  no lo se.
[06:27] <mierda> gracias
[06:28] <mierda> thanks
[06:28] <pimaniac> phenotype: not serious, just not able to see charge
[06:28] <juez> ??? :(
[06:28] <phenotype_> yea
[06:28] <pimaniac> juez:  sudo nano
[06:28] <phenotype_> but kde detects it ok?
[06:28] <pimaniac> juez: will open nano with root priveleges
[06:29] <pimaniac> phenotype:  yep yep.  not ubuntu specific, just gnome-battery doesnt like me
[06:29] <juez> hmmm ok...
[06:29] <phenotype_> interesting
[06:29] <phenotype_> thx
[06:30] <FeJaOr> can anybody help me on uninstalling the software program I downloaded and tried to install from the HP website??
[06:30] <Levander> What's the easy way to get gnome to remember the size that I like my gnome-terminals to open up as?  Is the best bet still .Xresources?
[06:31] <juez> how do i save changes?
[06:31] <Nalioth> FeJaOr, what exactly happened?
[06:31] <pimaniac> juez: Ctrl X will exit, it will ask to save changes
[06:31] <juez> k
[06:31] <FeJaOr> Nalioth, I downloaded the most recent driver/software for my HP PSC 1210 from the website
[06:32] <Nalioth> juez, nano is self-explanatory  the litte "^" at the bottom stands for the <ctrl> key
[06:32] <Nalioth> FeJaOr, what did it do to make you come here?
[06:32] <FeJaOr> Nalioth, I followed the instructions on how to install the software and now im up to the point I have the "software installed" but can't oppened cause it marks an error and I can't delete the folder with the original installation file either
[06:33] <Nalioth> FeJaOr, how have you tried to del?
[06:33] <FeJaOr> Nalioth, and I don't want to reinstall ubuntu just because of that
[06:33] <AMD> rrubin: i've installed the program, however the permission to read is not available
[06:33] <juez> ok
[06:33] <juez> fuck
[06:34] <juez> im tired
[06:34] <juez> i just wont get the wireless card run :S
[06:34] <juez> bye and thx for ur help :)
[06:34] <Nalioth> juez linux is rewarding, if you give it a little patience
[06:34] <FeJaOr> Nalioth, I have the folder in the desktop and move it to the trash ..... when I tried to empty the trash, bunch of errors come up
[06:35] <juez> its impossible to get my usb card to work :S
[06:35] <Nalioth> FeJaOr, i take it u want to del the folder? if so, move it back onto the desktop...
[06:35] <FeJaOr> juez, don't worry....I haven't got my fax modem work yet
[06:35] <juez> hahahahah ok ;) but u got internet :S
[06:35] <FeJaOr> Nalioth, done
[06:35] <FeJaOr> that's right :)
[06:35] <juez> i dont want to throw cables, i want wireless
[06:35] <AMD> RRubin: how do you change the permissions if you aren't the owner?
[06:36] <juez> bye
[06:37] <gp_aaron|win2k> does this distro use default debian repos?
[06:37] <Jerub> gp_aaron|win2k: no
[06:37] <gp_aaron|win2k> can it use them?
[06:37] <|QuaD-> gp_aaron|win2k: why would you want to
[06:38] <Amaranth> gp_aaron|win2k: I wouldn't.
[06:38] <sandyeggoboy> hi there everyone ...
[06:38] <Amaranth> gp_aaron|win2k: What do you need from Debian that Ubuntu doesn't have?
[06:38] <gp_aaron|win2k> can you use synaptic with the ubuntu repos?
[06:39] <sandyeggoboy> I am having a problem with my dell 1501FP LCD monitor not going past 800x600 resolution .. i need it to go to 1024x768. I have tried to "dpkg-reconfiguire xserver-xorg" but then it says it cannot display this screen size. What else can i try?
[06:39] <Amaranth> Yeah, System->Administration->Synaptic Package Manager
[06:39] <gp_aaron|win2k> nice
[06:39] <dell500> yes!!!
[06:40] <gp_aaron|win2k> how are the repos?
[06:40] <gp_aaron|win2k> reliable?
[06:40] <bob2> for main, of course
[06:40] <bob2> for universe, it depends
[06:40] <gp_aaron|win2k> what are those?
[06:40] <AMD> can anyone direct me in how to change file permissions? I am not the owner though
[06:41] <bob2> AMD: is it your machine?
[06:41] <bob2> gp_aaron|win2k: main is the supported part of ubuntu, universe is the unsupported part that's mostly identical to stuff in debian
[06:41] <AMD> bob2: as far as performance, or the name?
[06:41] <AMD> bob2: sorry n00b
[06:41] <bob2> AMD: ?
[06:41] <gp_aaron|win2k> bob2, oh thanks
[06:41] <bob2> AMD: Do you own the computer you're trying to change the permissions on?
[06:42] <AMD> yes, just not the file
[06:42] <gp_aaron|win2k> does it have alot of the choices in the repos?
[06:42] <RRubin> amd: use sudo
[06:42] <AMD> it is set to where the permissions are all messed up, by the owner, no one can read it
[06:42] <gp_aaron|win2k> how does it compare to standard debian repos?
[06:42] <dell500> after doing assembling a raid array (mdadm --assemble /dev/md0 /dev/sda /dev/sdb) what's next?
[06:43] <RRubin> gp_aaron|win2k: most of deb stuff is available
[06:43] <bob2> AMD: sudo chown a+r /filename
[06:43] <bob2> gp_aaron|win2k: universe has basically everything from debian
[06:43] <gp_aaron|win2k> oh
[06:43] <gp_aaron|win2k> does apache come default?
[06:43] <bob2> of course not
[06:44] <phenotype_> anyone know where i can get bin of kde
[06:44] <bob2> nothing listens on external ports by default
[06:44] <Amaranth> No open ports on the default install.
[06:44] <AMD> bob2: chown: 'a+r': invalid user
[06:44] <revelater> i need help getting through a windows password screen without any additional software
[06:44] <bob2> but apache2 is supported
[06:44] <bob2> AMD: er, chmod, not chown, sorry
[06:44] <dell500> YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[06:44] <bob2> phenotype_: #kubuntu
[06:44] <AMD> no worries
[06:44] <Amaranth> revelater: windows password screen?
[06:44] <phenotype_> thx
[06:44] <bob2> revelater: this is not a cracking channel, sorry
[06:44] <Amaranth> Oh, get through it.
[06:44] <revelater> could yuo *cough* point the way *cough*
[06:45] <bob2> revelater: no
[06:45] <Amaranth> Actually, that isn't even possible unless you can boot from CD or floppy.
[06:45] <bob2> revelater: do not ask again
[06:45] <Amaranth> If you can, go find it yourself.
[06:45] <cens0red> anyone know where evolution stores its attachments? I've just received three emails with like 7 attachments each ... I don't want to go through the process of selecting "Save As" for each one.
[06:45] <Nalioth> revelator why do you want into windoze?
[06:46] <Nalioth> revelater, let the SOB stay locked
[06:46] <AMD> bob2: it still wont let me execute it, none of the little boxes are high lighted
[06:46] <revelater> SOB?
[06:47] <AMD> the permission says 777 but none of the permission boxes are filled
[06:47] <Nalioth> windoze IMO SUCKS!
[06:47] <RRubin> amd: boxes?
[06:47] <Nalioth> revelater, let it stay locked, ther's nothing good inside
[06:47] <revelater> i see, well its for a friend, his parents locked him out of his computer
[06:47] <AMD> the option thing under the preferences
[06:47] <Nalioth> revelater, nothing but horror
[06:47] <bob2> AMD: what sort of file is it?
[06:47] <revelater> and there is internet access
[06:47] <AMD> .bin
[06:47] <revelater> whats life without pron?
[06:47] <AMD> it won't allow execution
[06:48] <bob2> AMD: er
[06:48] <Nalioth> so use a knoppix or ubnuntu live cd
[06:48] <bob2> AMD: what is the file, really?
[06:48] <revelater> (a whole lot better no doubt)
[06:48] <Nalioth> the parents will never know (s)he was surfing pR0n
[06:48] <dell500> how do i diagnose sound problems??
[06:48] <AMD> realplayer.bin
[06:48] <dell500> is there an app??
[06:48] <AMD> it's Real Player 10
[06:48] <RRubin> AMD: its in your home dir?
[06:48] <revelater> Nalioth: problem is he needs it now, and has no way of getting extra software
[06:48] <AMD> yeah
[06:49] <RRubin> AMD: ls -l realplayer.bin
[06:49] <netfighter> Hello people
[06:49] <AMD> the main thing is that I'm not the "owner" of the file
[06:49] <RRubin> amd: paste the results
[06:49] <AMD> i'll try
[06:49] <Nalioth> revelater, he's screwed. take him to your house
[06:49] <bread> hey
[06:49] <revelater> Nalioth: lol
[06:49] <gp_aaron|win2k> revelater, sam file hacking
[06:49] <netfighter> If I add the unofficial repositories (such as Marillat & Universe), I can break my Ubuntu distro, right?
[06:49] <gp_aaron|win2k> but I'm not gona tell you how to do that
[06:49] <bread> do what
[06:50] <revelater> gp_aaron|win2k: can you tell me where i need to go to learn how to do that???
[06:50] <bob2> netfighter: yes
[06:50] <AMD> bob2: -rwxrwxrwx  1 501 501 570312 2005-04-01 16:52 realplay.bin
[06:50] <bob2> netfighter: well, universe is unlikely to
[06:50] <gp_aaron|win2k> google
[06:50] <bob2> AMD: blah
[06:50] <Nalioth> revelater, he just told you all you need to know
[06:50] <AMD> yeah?
[06:50] <bob2> AMD: you need to find out what the file actually is and what you're supposed to do with it
[06:50] <AMD> it is the program itself
[06:50] <bob2> it really came with NO instructions at all?
[06:50] <bob2> AMD: what does 'file realplay.bin' say?
[06:51] <netfighter> bob2 so how can I add just a specific pkg from those repos without updating everything? Like, is there a way to do it from the Cmd line?
[06:51] <RRubin> AMD: how'd you get it?
[06:51] <RRubin> it seems to be owned by someone who doesnt exist
[06:51] <bob2> netfighter: just put them in your sources.list, install whatever, then remove it
[06:51] <AMD> i installed it, from another .bin and everything went fine untill i tried to run it
[06:51] <bob2> 14:50:57           bob2 | AMD: what does 'file realplay.bin' say?
[06:51] <netfighter> bob2,  thanks
[06:52] <RRubin> AMD: man chown
[06:52] <AMD> bob2: realplay.bin: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.2.5, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped
[06:52] <bob2> lord
[06:52] <bob2> AMD: what filesystem have you put it on?
[06:52] <bob2> it seems broken
[06:53] <RRubin> AMD: you need to (using sudo) change the owner and group to yourself
[06:53] <abbot45> is PAN the best newsreader for linux?
[06:53] <Nalioth> revelator, this will teach you to never leave the house w/o a knoppix disk
[06:53] <bob2> abbot45: "best" is subjective
[06:53] <Nalioth> abbot45 are there other newsreaders for linux?
[06:53] <bob2> abbot45: it is pretty popular, tho
[06:53] <abbot45> haha.  i guess.
[06:53] <bread> can anybody tell me how to update gaim?
[06:53] <AMD> bob2: ok, how do you change the owner and group to myself using sudo?
[06:54] <bob2> Nalioth: slrn
[06:54] <abbot45> ive been using it for a bit.  but can you use it to post binaries???
[06:54] <gp_aaron|win2k> bread, apt-get update
[06:54] <RRubin> amd: man chown
[06:54] <abbot45> or do you need something else for that?
[06:54] <bob2> AMD: sudo chown you:you filename
[06:54] <bob2> abbot45: what sort of binaries do you want to post?
[06:55] <Nalioth> bob2 is that easy to read?
[06:55] <bob2> Nalioth: do you use mutt?
[06:55] <Nalioth> bob2 does it d/l mutlipart pR0n, er, helpful binaries?
[06:55] <bob2> lord
[06:55] <Nalioth> bob2 the only mutt in my life, is sitting at my feet right now
[06:55] <bread> gp_aaron, having a little trouble
[06:56] <bread> i ran that command from terminal and i got unable to lock
[06:56] <abbot45> bob2: a dj mix of mine.  id like to cut it up into rars first though, and all that.
[06:56] <bob2> ignore that
[06:56] <bob2> abbot45: oh man
[06:56] <bob2> abbot45: please don't use rar
[06:56] <bob2> there's enough pointless rar's in the world already
[06:56] <AMD> ok, i did that and and it doesn't work
[06:57] <abbot45> everyone on usenet does everything in rar.
[06:57] <bob2> that's stupid
[06:57] <bob2> AMD: "doesn't work" in what sense
[06:57] <AMD> i'm still not the owner
[06:57] <bob2> AMD: you didn't answer my question before
[06:57] <bob2> AMD: what filesystem is this on?
[06:57] <Tomcat_> rar is better than zip though... if you leave Free Software thoughts aside. :o
[06:57] <bread> can somebody tell me how to update gaim?
[06:57] <bob2> it seems rather screwed up
[06:57] <AMD> it does
[06:58] <bob2> bread: why and to what version?
[06:58] <AMD> i'll try something else
[06:58] <abbot45> what else can you use to cut a large media file into smaller pieces for transfer, then put back together on the other end?
[06:58] <bread> 1.2.1
[06:58] <bread> more features
[06:58] <bob2> abbot45: split
[06:58] <bob2> bread: e.g.?
[06:58] <AMD> but when you said "you:you" do you mean my user name?
[06:58] <Nalioth> bob2 when you get a free minute, i'd like to know more about your experience with slrn
[06:58] <zenrox> abbot45,  zip
[06:58] <smouche> is that rar utility package mentioned in ubuntuguide.org -- um, how shall i put it, legal?
[06:58] <bread> bob2, i am not familiar with that
[06:59] <zerokarmaleft> abbot45, jigdo
[06:59] <bread> i have ubuntu 5.04
[06:59] <bob2> AMD: yes...
[06:59] <smouche> or is it a unsanctioned clone or something?
[06:59] <bob2> AMD: again, what file system is it on?
[06:59] <bread> bob2, r u there?
[06:59] <AMD> ext3
[06:59] <bob2> bread: Why do you want 1.2?
[06:59] <bread> it's the new version
[07:00] <abbot45> zerokarmaleft: what is jigdo?
[07:00] <bread> i have 1.1.4
[07:00] <qqnluaq> hi all...
[07:00] <bread> for bob
[07:00] <bob2> smouche: there are two versions.  one, a completely Free one that works with older rar formats.  then there's unrar-nonfree which is nonfree but supports modern formats better.
[07:00] <bob2> bread: yes, but *why*?  you want it just because it's new?
[07:00] <AMD> bob2: oh wait, i don't have permissions for the folder! maybe that's why it wont work
[07:00] <bread> most of all
[07:00] <Nalioth> bob2 don't forget that 7zip handles rars nowadays and is completely free
[07:00] <bob2> AMD: dude, if someone asks you to run a command, you need to tell us if it gives you an error
[07:01] <AMD> sorry, i'm a newbie
[07:01] <AMD> to linux
[07:01] <zerokarmaleft> abbot45, jigsaw download: http://atterer.net/jigdo/
[07:01] <transgress> wow you'd think people would deem certain things important... like billing receipts...
[07:01] <bob2> Nalioth: didn't know that
[07:01] <bread> bob2, i also need to get familiar with installing programs
[07:01] <AMD> and i'm not getting errors
[07:01] <transgress> but nope
[07:01] <bob2> Nalioth: if you don't know what mutt is, slrn isn't something you're going to like
[07:01] <bread> bob2, i am a ubuntu novice
[07:01] <bob2> AMD: just copy the file to a different permission
[07:01] <smouche> thanks for the info bob2
[07:01] <bob2> bread: I can see that :)
[07:01] <AMD> i'm going to
[07:01] <Nalioth> bob2 i like my command line, but not too much for irc, email, etc
[07:01] <bob2> AMD: er, partition
[07:01] <zerokarmaleft> abbot45, primarily for distributing CD/DVD images, but can be used for any file format...especially large files such as uncompressed audio
[07:02] <bread> bob2, ur great
[07:02] <qqnluaq> can anyone help me with an install problem?
[07:02] <abbot45> ah
[07:02] <Nalioth> bob2 havent gotten too cozy with learning new keystrokes
[07:02] <phenotype_> anyone know if i can simply rotate a firefox image (being used as desktop image)  or should i edit it with an image editor
[07:02] <bread> qqnluaq, shoot
[07:02] <Wammy> How is the support for Linksys wireless cards?
[07:02] <bob2> bread: if you don't have a huge reason to get it, I'd just use the version of gaim in hoary
[07:02] <qqnluaq> i cant get ubuntu or kubuntu to install.. the prev version installed fine..
[07:02] <bob2> bread: getting a newer one requires going to breezy, which is a bad idea
[07:02] <bob2> Wammy: depends on the chipset
[07:02] <bread> i want to have the popup option like msn
[07:02] <Wammy> bob2: how do i find it?
[07:03] <qqnluaq> both of the latest installers crap out, complaining they cant find a volume
[07:03] <zerokarmaleft> abbot45, http://atterer.net/jigdo/
[07:03] <zerokarmaleft> abbot45, oops already gave you that link
[07:03] <bread> then, how could i install mplayer?
[07:03] <bob2> bread: have you installed the gaim-guifications package?
[07:03] <abbot45> haha.  yeah.
[07:03] <bread> nope
[07:03] <bob2> bread: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[07:03] <stevenj> does anyone here use hoary backports?
[07:03] <smouche> bread, in #ubuntu this evening, a couple of people compiled the new version of gaim for themselves...
[07:03] <bob2> please don't use the backports
[07:03] <bread> installing thins are very difficult when you leave windows
[07:03] <bob2> they're broken and terrible
[07:04] <abbot45> bread: that restrictedformats guide is great
[07:04] <smouche> I can post the log of that chat if you want
[07:04] <stevenj> I have'nt yet
[07:04] <bob2> bread: no, it's very easy...you select what you want from synaptic, and click "install"
[07:04] <smouche> in another channel of course
[07:04] <stevenj> just reading about then
[07:04] <stazich> hey anyone knows how to toggle between channels in BitchX?
[07:05] <bread> bob2, ur the best so far
[07:05] <stevenj> only reason I mentioned backports is that firefox has secuirty fixes and gaim is suppose to fix file transfer (somewhat)
[07:06] <bob2> stevenj: the security issues will be fixed in the version of firefox in hoary
[07:06] <stazich> ls
[07:06] <shad0w1e> how do i add a new user from the console???
[07:06] <stevenj> bob2, ok...I do without updated gaim..I am more concerned with FF really...thanks
[07:07] <transgress> adduser
[07:07] <bob2> stevenj: with the 'adduser' command
[07:07] <Mace68> anybody know why my samba file transfer speeds are slow as mud? I've getting files from 2 different machines via samba and it's the same on both. I'm running on a 100baseT network.
[07:07] <bread> bob2: where's synaptic
[07:07] <shad0w1e> um thanks
[07:07] <abbot45> ive got a problem with my icons.  i put the sets in ~/.icons like they are suppost to be, and they show up in my theme manager list that i can choose from, but when i choose them nothing changes.  any ideas what could be wrong?
[07:07] <transgress> sudo adduser
[07:07] <Mace68> FTP seems ok
[07:07] <bob2> bread: system -> administration menu
[07:07] <drcodedd2> I have 2 qustions
[07:07] <shad0w1e> thanks guys, worked great
[07:07] <stevenj> bob2, when official hoary updates FF- is it best to uninstall first or install over the existing FF
[07:07] <transgress> wb abbot45
[07:08] <abbot45> yo
[07:08] <drcodedd2> 1. Where I can put my Dynamic DNS script so after I boot ubuntu it will update my dynamic dns?
[07:08] <bob2> stevenj: you just let apt or synaptic upgrade it as usual
[07:08] <drcodedd2> 2. I have new hdb that I put / how can I format it into ext3
[07:08] <bob2> drcodedd2: 1) install ddclient and configure it
[07:08] <zerokarmaleft> drcodedd2, bootmisc.sh?
[07:08] <stevenj> bob2, ok...because I used the (Linux) firefox "bug" form fix :) just wondering if that will screw it up
[07:08] <Seveas> drcodedd2, 1) add the command to execute it to /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh
[07:08] <Seveas> 2) man mkfs
[07:08] <abbot45> damn.  im gonna have to ask on a forum probably.
[07:09] <drcodedd2> thanx
[07:09] <drcodedd2> thanx alot
[07:09] <drcodedd2> I will check it
[07:09] <bob2> drcodedd2: use 'mkfs -t ext3 /dev/hdb', but be very very careful
[07:09] <drcodedd2> work like a charm
[07:10] <Mace68> is there a place in samba that limits the network transfer speed?
[07:10] <bob2> no
[07:11] <Mace68> what else could cause such slow transfers just under samba, FTP seems to be ok
[07:12] <bread> bob2: gaim isn't on that menu
[07:12] <bob2> bread: you already have gaim installed
[07:12] <bread> bob2: neither is mplayer
[07:12] <bread> yah
[07:12] <bob2> so what are you asking?
[07:12] <bread> what's breezy?
[07:13] <bread> u said don't use it for some reason
[07:13] <abbot45> i think im gonna do away with windows on my notebook again and try to get ndiswrapper to work.  3rd times a charm.
[07:13] <lamont_r> bread: breezy is broken
[07:13] <Mace68> I've tried transfers via samba from both windows and linux boxes to my laptop with the same result.
[07:13] <venkman> yo momma breezy
[07:13] <abbot45> haha
[07:13] <lamont_r> it currently has new versions of lots of stuff, and old versions of lots of other stuff (that need to be merged)...
[07:13] <lamont_r> breezy is 5.10
[07:13] <bob2> bread: breezy is the development release of ubuntu that's very unstable at the moment
[07:13] <lamont_r> or will be
[07:13] <Nalioth> breezy users are likened to white lab rats at this time.....beyond the bleeding edge
[07:13] <bread> k
[07:14] <transgress> heh
[07:14] <bread> bob2: there's several packages, but can't seem to find mplayer
[07:14] <bread> do I need to go and dl the package?
[07:14] <lamont_r> bread: add multiverse to your sources.list
[07:14] <bob2> bread: you need to read the page I told you about
[07:14] <stevenj> I know this is going to sound stupid--in Xchat there is little bar on bottom right corner...actually two bar....the top one changes sometimes---what is it?
[07:15] <lamont_r> bob2: ah, even better
[07:15] <bob2> transgress: no, it's more hardcore than that
[07:15] <transgress> bob2: really?  interesting.
[07:15] <bread> lamont: wheres that located
[07:15] <transgress> bob2: gcc 4.0 in it?
[07:15] <bread> bob2: getting right on it
[07:15] <bob2> transgress: yes
[07:15] <venkman> bob2: I want to be HARDCORE!
[07:15] <transgress> bob2: that is pretty fucking hardcore
[07:15] <lamont_r> bread: on the page bob2 pointed you at
[07:16] <transgress> venkman: you want a broken machine
[07:16] <bread> lamont: ur kind of clever as well, how long have you been using linux
[07:16] <Nalioth> stevenj,  thats your lag meter
[07:16] <venkman> transgress: i want an ubuntu package that just does... rm -rf /
[07:16] <bread> lamont: clever @ linux at least
[07:16] <lamont_r> transgress: it's like this... if the package was changed wrt debian in hoary,then there's a very good chance it hasn't been uploaded yet (merge required).  If it wasn't changed, then the new version is there...
[07:16] <lamont_r> ==> broken
[07:17] <transgress> venkman: dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/hda bs=1mb is better venkman
[07:17] <transgress> no one run that
[07:17] <transgress> please
[07:17] <transgress> i don't need someone pissed at me because they are dumb
[07:17] <lamont_r> bread: been using unix for a great number of years, linux for about 8.
[07:17] <venkman> transgress :)
[07:17] <bread> r u like an older guy
[07:17] <stevenj> Nalioth, usually I can hardly see...it spiked one time...so thanks...I was just wondering
[07:17] <lamont_r> got bored with writing I/O drivers for kernels back in 1990 or so....
[07:18] <bread> i wasn't born long before 1990
[07:18] <venkman> wow
[07:18] <venkman> i feel old
[07:18] <syn1> how do i set my cdrom to set DMA on upon boot?
[07:18] <stevenj> I grad HS in 91
[07:18] <lamont_r> venkman: that happens around here... :-(
[07:19] <synd> how do i set my cdrom to set DMA on upon boot?
[07:19] <venkman> syn, make sure you have a good hdparm script?
[07:19] <synd> venkman: how so?
[07:19] <bread> stevenJ: you graduated a long time ago
[07:19] <stevenj> it seems so
[07:19] <venkman> uh
[07:19] <bread> yep
[07:19] <venkman> vi /etc/hdparm.conf
[07:20] <venkman> i graduated hs in 2k.
[07:20] <bread> is Butchman a good name?
[07:20] <venkman> haha
[07:20] <synd> i grad in 2k4
[07:21] <bread> bread crook graduated in 98
[07:21] <venkman> bread that sounds like.... bitch and butch.
[07:21] <bread> hmmm
[07:21] <bread> not following u
[07:21] <bread> on that
[07:21] <venkman> think lesbians
[07:21] <bread> lol, great
[07:22] <bread> butches are sick
[07:22] <bread> but who cares about that
[07:22] <lamont_r> is off topic here
[07:22] <closure> does anyone know how to execute bitchx-gtk
[07:22] <bread> nope
[07:23] <mcrawfor> yo
[07:23] <bread> lamont_r: glad that you came back
[07:23] <mcrawfor> anyone here use a transmeta processor?
[07:23] <venkman> there's a gtked version of bitchx?
[07:23] <Kanga> hi all
[07:23] <closure> venkman
[07:23] <closure> look in your pkgs
[07:23] <closure> bitchx-gtk
[07:23] <mcrawfor> under warty, my processor scaled with powernowd, but it won't under hoary
[07:23] <Mace68> could someone be so kind as to at least point me in the right direction? I'm stumped, my XP installation crashed today so I installed Ubuntu. I really don't want to go back to XP but I need fast lan transfer speeds.
[07:23] <Kanga> anyone know where i can d/l instructions for partitioning a drive with ubunu?
[07:24] <Kanga> i installed ubuntu but it used up the whole drive for the insatallation'
[07:25] <Nalioth> Kanga, in a terminal type "man cfdisk"
[07:25] <Kanga> nalioth:is that under accesories?
[07:25] <Kanga> very new to ubuntu!
[07:26] <Nalioth> Kanga i guess, i have mine on my upper taskbar and my kubuntu taskbar, too (when i'm in that)
[07:27] <Nalioth> ok time for bed
[07:27] <Kanga> nalioth yeah
[07:27] <Nalioth> y'all be good
[07:27] <Kanga> iv just got up
[07:27] <Nalioth> (or look sweet and innocent)
[07:27] <Kanga> c u
[07:27] <raydogg> how do i make an onboard sound device use the alsa drivers ?
[07:27] <Kanga> anyone know where i can d/l instructions for partitioning a drive with ubunu?
[07:27] <raydogg> kanga, use cfdisk
[07:28] <Mace68> Is my irc client broke? Can anyone see my messages?
[07:28] <bob2> no, it's not broken
[07:28] <Kanga> in a terminal
[07:28] <Kanga> ?
[07:28] <raydogg> kanga, yes
[07:28] <bob2> Mace68: ask in a more approriate place, like #samba
[07:28] <Kanga> ?
[07:28] <raydogg> how do i make an onboard sound device use the alsa drivers ?
[07:29] <Kanga> raydogg: where can i get a online manual for ubuntu] 
[07:29] <bob2> raydogg: you don't need to keep repeating
[07:29] <raydogg> Sorry bob
[07:30] <Kanga> hi chris
[07:30] <Mace68> bob2: thanks, i'll try that. Sorry to have pestered you all, I'm fairly new to linux
[07:31] <bob2> Mace68: no problem
[07:31] <Kanga> me too
[07:31] <Levander> Kanga: try ubuntuguide.org
[07:31] <Kanga> ty levandaer
[07:31] <Kanga> bbl
[07:32] <bread> bob2: should I add universe as well as multiverse
[07:32] <bob2> bread: depends what you want to do...might as well
[07:32] <bread> k
[07:33] <arkainium> how can I change the default sound card in a system with multiple sound cards?
[07:33] <bread> bob2: it says can't load all repositories
[07:34] <Levander> bread: how many repositories you got in there?
[07:34] <bread> two
[07:34] <bread> uni and multi
[07:34] <thechitowncubs> What is everyones favorite application for *nix?
[07:34] <Levander> what says it can't load all repositories?  which command?
[07:34] <dws> newbie question: for a fresh hoary install, how do i get an sshd? (and where should i have looked first for an answer?)
[07:34] <scott__> hello
[07:35] <Levander> dws "sudo apt-get install openssh-server", not sure of package name, "apt-cache search ssh" to find out.  Install the server, the client will come with it.
[07:35] <Levander> that was all I had to do to get it here
[07:35] <bread> levander: cdrom:[Ubuntu 5.04 _Hoary Hedgehog_ - Release i386 (20050407)] /dists/hoary/universe/binary-i386/Packages.gz: Please use apt-cdrom to make this CD-ROM recognized by APT. apt-get update cannot be used to add new CD-ROMs
[07:35] <bread> d
[07:35] <dws> Levander: thanks
[07:35] <Levander> dws: could have tried ubuntuguide.org for that one
[07:35] <bob2> arkainium: you can't, easily...the simplest is to blacklist everything but the one you want to be default
[07:36] <bob2> bread: tell it to not use the cd then
[07:36] <bread> how so
[07:36] <bob2> no idea, I don't use synaptic
[07:36] <bread> bob2: what do you use?
[07:37] <Levander> bread: put your sources.list on pastebin.com, i'll look at it, see if I can find something
[07:37] <bread> i'll try
[07:37] <Levander> it's not hard, just pull it up, is self explanatory
[07:37] <Levander> pull up the URL**
[07:38] <bread> where's source list located?
[07:38] <bob2> bread: aptitude
[07:39] <bob2> Levander: that's not going to help
[07:39] <bread> aptitude?
[07:39] <bob2> Levander: we know what the problem is
[07:39] <Levander> okay, have at it bob2
[07:39] <bob2> the problem is that you don't have the cd in the drive
[07:39] <bread> k
[07:40] <raydogg> how do i add the universe repository via command line ?
[07:41] <bob2> you edit /etc/apt/sources.list manually
[07:41] <abarbaccia> nano /etc/apt/souces.list
[07:41] <raydogg> k
[07:41] <raydogg> thx
[07:41] <abarbaccia> uncomment the lines of code
[07:41] <abarbaccia> then apt-get update
[07:41] <bread> bob2: i put the disk in and it does the same thing
[07:41] <arkainium> bob2, i tried setting the aliases for snd-card-n, etc, but it does nothing.  how can I blacklist?
[07:41] <bob2> arkainium: /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[07:41] <arkainium> bob2, thanks
[07:42] <bread> bob2: ur familiar with windows aren't cha
[07:43] <venkman> i despise hotplug.
[07:44] <bread> levander: is there a way to install programs from GUI?
[07:45] <Levander> bread: i know synaptic does, but I use apt-get on the command-line
[07:46] <raydogg> how can I search like synaptic does ?
[07:46] <raydogg> via cmd line
[07:46] <Levander> apt-cache search <search string>
[07:46] <bread> levander: what comes after apt-get?
[07:46] <raydogg> thx
[07:46] <Airo> man apt-get
[07:47] <bread> levander: u also mean from terminal, right
[07:47] <Levander> bread: there are lots of options after apt-get, have to read the man page
[07:47] <bread> lemme see
[07:48] <Levander> bread:yeah, inside terminal, from command line, same thing
[07:49] <vincent> Anybody get captive working in Hoary?
[07:49] <mae> whats the new ubuntu way for dealing with java in hoary?
[07:49] <jack|h> is there a torrent for the ubuntu 5.04 image?
[07:49] <vincent> (I actually dist-upgraded to Breezy, but I imagine so far it would work for both)
[07:49] <bread> levander: i read the page
[07:49] <bread> levander: i some what understand it
[07:50] <Levander> mae: ubuntuguide.org says that kind of stuff
[07:50] <Levander> bread: okay
[07:50] <jack|h> nevermind, found it
[07:50] <bread> levander: I have gtk+, so could you tell me how the command line would look if i were trying to install
[07:50] <bread> or could it be done from gui
[07:51] <vincent> Anybody?  Captive-ntfs in hoary/breezy?  I get an error when I do sudo /usr/share/lufs/prepmod
[07:52] <bread> levander: r u there?
[07:52] <venkman> shit i need some pepto
[07:52] <venkman> that's gonna kill my drugs.
[07:52] <Levander> bread: gtk+ is a library
[07:52] <bread> yeah
[07:52] <Levander> bread: don't install it directly
[07:53] <bob2> bread: no, I haven't used windows in years
[07:53] <bread> okay
[07:53] <bob2> bread: why do you want to install gtk?
[07:53] <Levander> bread: when you install an application that needs it, it'll be installed for you
[07:53] <vincent> NOBODY in here has captive-ntfs working with hoary/breezy?  I get an error with premod
[07:53] <vincent> prepmod
[07:53] <bread> i was trying to install mplayer
[07:53] <bob2> bread: (you already have it installed, btw)
[07:53] <bread> and it says i need it
[07:53] <bob2> bread: dude, just read the wiki page
[07:53] <Levander> vincent: no, sorry, never even heard of captive
[07:53] <bob2> vincent: try their user list or something, I guess
[07:53] <bob2> vincent: or the ubuntu user list
[07:53] <bread> i did
[07:53] <Netsnipe> could someone send me a screenshot of the ubuntu wireless configure tool?
[07:54] <Levander> bread: ubuntuguide.org - make sure you read the one for hoary, version 5.04
[07:54] <Levander> bread: it says how to install mplayer
[07:54] <bob2> bread: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[07:54] <bob2> bread: where on there does it tell you to care about gtk?
[07:54] <Levander> bread: in the old version, warty, you used to have to install those libraries manually, not anymore
[07:54] <vincent> Okay then, thanks :)
[07:55] <vincent> Levander: BTW, captive-ntfs is a module that allows Linux to write to NTFS partitions
[07:55] <Levander> vincent: okay, thanks vincent
[07:55] <bob2> it's a module that lets linux load the Windows NT NTFS kernel module, more or less
[07:55] <wbeck85> but is ntfs writing in linux safe?
[07:55] <kkamrani> hellow
[07:55] <vincent> Levander: I had it working on Fedora Core, but there's less support for it in Ubuntu/debian in general.  Apparently.
[07:56] <thechitowncubs> Is there any way to search in Beep-Media-Player
[07:56] <bob2> wbeck85: with captive-ntfs, you're more or less letting windows write to the disk, not linux
[07:56] <bob2> thechitowncubs: j?
[07:56] <vincent> wbeck85: Yeah, with captive NTFS it's fine
[07:56] <wbeck85> oh
[07:56] <Levander> vincent: yeah, I don't need it here, I use samba to talk between the systems over a LAN
[07:56] <wbeck85> interesting
[07:56] <wbeck85> cool
[07:56] <thechitowncubs> j?
[07:56] <Kanga> hi all seems a bit silly to put an ubuntu guide in a file format thats is not recognised by windows as people who need the guide will not be using ubuntu as their main o/s
[07:56] <bob2> thechitowncubs: the j key...
[07:56] <vincent> Levander:  The only reason I really want it is because Anarchy Online needs write access, so it doesn't work under Wine
[07:57] <bob2> Kanga: talk to whoever wrote it
[07:57] <thechitowncubs> oh wow
[07:57] <Kanga> ta bob dont u agree
[07:57] <Levander> vincent: okay, cool
[07:57] <vincent> Anyway thanks all
[07:57] <vincent> adios
[07:57] <bob2> if IE really doesn't handle xhtml, then that is just funny
[07:57] <mae> Levander: thats the sloppy manual way, how is ubuntu managing java with apt? . warty had dummy packages . . .
[07:57] <thechitowncubs> bob2: wow, that really makes a difference!
[07:57] <thechitowncubs> wow
[07:58] <Levander> mae: ubuntuguide's the best advice for stuff like that I've found.  I'm installing java next week and I'll do it their way
[07:58] <bob2> thechitowncubs: hrm?
[07:58] <thechitowncubs> hrm?
[07:58] <thechitowncubs> you're losing me
[07:58] <Levander> mae: I think there's some problem with the java licenses and debian licenses, so ubuntu doesn't want to put it in their repositories
[07:59] <ReleaseX> hello all
[07:59] <mae> Levander: heh.. this guide is pretty sloppy..
[07:59] <Levander> unfortunately may have to go outside of apt-get for this one
[07:59] <Levander> mae: it's helped me a lot...
[08:00] <mae> Levander: That's good, but you can install java without having to leave it unmanaged.. there are dummy packages in warty.. one only need enable the warty repository and grab the dummy packages from it
[08:00] <mae> thats what i did
[08:00] <thechitowncubs> bob2: what do you mean by hrm?
[08:00] <mae> but.. i thought they would have some clean way to implement it without having to do "hackish" things like that :)
[08:00] <bread> levander: i marked it for installation, but got an error
[08:01] <TheKark> wow, i just set this up in gaim
[08:01] <bodaciousb> can anyone help me get XMMS working on 5.04?
[08:01] <thechitowncubs> Does anyone use amaroK in gnome?
[08:02] <Levander> mae: i looked at the java stuff in hoary, you know it does look like they've got some stuff in there, but from what I vaguely remember, there are some free JVM's who's performance isn't up to snuff
[08:02] <Levander> mae: which java package did you have in warty?
[08:02] <Levander> bread: you marked what for installation?
[08:03] <bread> all the stuff that was added after this:deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat unstable main
[08:04] <Levander> bread: only install stuff as you need it.  Don't just install everything.
[08:04] <bread> i tried to install acid ripper and it wouldn't bulge
[08:05] <Levander> merillat isn't a ubuntu repository, it's for a similar distribution, but not ubuntu, their are going to be problems with it
[08:05] <bread> levander: i still don't seem mplayer on the list that i installed
[08:06] <Levander> bread: how old r u?
[08:07] <mae> Levander: I have sun-j2sdk1.5 installed r1 .. Used the warty and another 3rd party repository
[08:07] <bob2> bread: don't add that line
[08:07] <Levander> mae: yeah, i try not to use 3rd party repositories
[08:09] <bread> levander: 22
[08:09] <Levander> bread: okay, was just wondering
[08:09] <mae> Levander: well you can build your own .deb from the JAVA bin directly from suns site.. with the deb building tool.. but thats a pain :)
[08:09] <bodaciousb> How do i find an "acceptable" C compiler that can be found in $PATH
[08:09] <Levander> what r u using to try to install these?
[08:09] <bread> terminal
[08:09] <Levander> bodaciousb: "which gcc" from command line
[08:10] <bodaciousb> that didnt do anything, just made a new line
[08:10] <Levander> bodaciousb: there some package called "build-essentials" or something like that that has all the stuff that you need for a development environment or to build stuff
[08:10] <tjs> Im trying to figure out if there will be a package containing the fuse kernel module in ubuntu ?
[08:11] <Levander> bodaciousb: "apt-cache search essential" to find it
[08:11] <bodaciousb> ok
[08:11] <tjs> there is fuse-source and fuse-utils, which both recomend fuse-module
[08:11] <Levander> bodaciousb: "apt-cache show <package-name>" to make sure you found it.
[08:11] <tjs> but fuse-module doesnt exist
[08:11] <Levander> bread: http://ubuntuguide.org/#mplayer
[08:12] <bodaciousb> found it
[08:12] <Levander> bodaciousb: what's the name?
[08:12] <bodaciousb> brb, sorry
[08:14] <bodaciousb> build-essential
[08:14] <bodaciousb> i had to get the phone, sorry =)
[08:14] <bodaciousb> pool/main/b/build-essential/build-essential_10.1ubuntu1_i386.deb
[08:14] <bodaciousb> thats the long filename
[08:14] <bezibaerchen> morning
[08:16] <yfir> quick question about gdm: anyone know which file i edit to change the order of listed sessions gdm login screen? i can't seem to find it
[08:16] <Levander> bodaciousb: yeah, that's it, if you install that, you get a full development environment
[08:16] <cikilin> hello
[08:16] <bodaciousb> how do i install that?
[08:17] <Levander> bodaciousb: "apt-cache show build-essential" to read the description
[08:17] <bodaciousb> ok
[08:17] <Levander> bodaciousb: uninstall what?
[08:17] <bodaciousb> i dont need to uninstall anything
[08:17] <Levander> bodaciousb: same way u install everything "sudo apt-get install <package-name>"
[08:17] <bread> levander: it says unable to lock the adminstration directory
[08:17] <Levander> bodaciousb: package-name is build-essential in this case
[08:18] <bodaciousb> ok
[08:18] <Levander> bread: you have to sudo apt-get commands
[08:18] <Levander> bread: so that you have "root" privileges
[08:18] <bread> oh yeah
[08:18] <Levander> bread: if you don't know what root is, you probably need to read a tutorial or two "Introduction to UNIX" or something like that
[08:19] <bodaciousb> yay, progress on my instalation of xmms
[08:19] <bread> i know what root is
[08:19] <bread> same as root terminal
[08:19] <Levander> bread: okay good
[08:20] <bread> levander: it says another process is using what I am trying to use
[08:20] <Levander> bread: do you have synaptic open? if so, you gotta close that if you're gonna do command line
[08:20] <jinx> hi
[08:20] <bread> good looking
[08:21] <Levander> bodaciousb: how are you trying to install xmms?  Are you not "sudo apt-get install xmms"?
[08:21] <bodaciousb> no, i downloaded it off of the xmms website
[08:21] <bodaciousb> will that work?
[08:21] <mae> what package contains the commandline tool "alsasink"?
[08:22] <bodaciousb> much easier hehe
[08:22] <bread> levander: this was my last line-E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead
[08:22] <Levander> mae: I don't think it's in the ubuntu repositories, "Search the contents of packages" section of packages.ubuntu.com
[08:23] <bodaciousb> it even makes the shortcut hehehe, thanks lev
[08:23] <FeJaOr> how can I erase icons from the system, applications menu??
[08:23] <Levander> bread: you've got invalid entries in /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:23] <yair> a little question: how can I download gcc using synaptic package manager? I mean what files from the list would be enough?
[08:23] <mae> ok :)
[08:23] <FeJaOr> how can I erase icons from the system, applications menu??
[08:23] <pablo928> can any one tell me what do i have to add to /etc/fstab so that i can write to /dev/hda1?                                    http://www.pastebin.com/276523
[08:24] <Levander> bread: http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[08:24] <Levander> bodaciousb: if you would have "sudo apt-get install xmms", it'd already be done
[08:24] <bread> k
[08:24] <FeJaOr> anyones?
[08:25] <bodaciousb> Yeah lev, i did it... that was cool =)
[08:25] <Levander> yair: install the "build-essentials" package
[08:26] <jinx> Amaranth: is there an new version of gnome-menu-editor?
[08:26] <jinx> :)
[08:27] <FeJaOr> anyones?
[08:27] <FeJaOr> how can I erase icons from the system, applications menu??
[08:27] <bodaciousb> How do i go about installing a .run file? americas army
[08:27] <bob2> yair: install build-essential
[08:27] <Levander> bodaciousb: okay, sorry, i'm trying to play catch up in here
[08:27] <bob2> FeJaOr: you can't, easily
[08:27] <bob2> bodaciousb: it has no instructions?
[08:27] <FeJaOr> just tell me the root
[08:27] <bodaciousb> its ok =)
[08:27] <FeJaOr> I can't remember what the root is
[08:27] <jinx``> bodaciousb: sh ruznfile.run
[08:27] <bread> levander: this is kind of frustrating
[08:27] <Levander> jinx: apt-get --simulate install gnome-menu-editor?
[08:27] <bodaciousb> ok
[08:27] <bread> levander: not too much, but it is
[08:28] <Levander> FeJaOr: sorry, dunno
[08:28] <bread> levander: windows is so much easier
[08:28] <FeJaOr> bob2, just tell me what the root to the icons is cause I don't remember exactly the root
[08:28] <GNAM> aauauauau
[08:28] <GNAM> i've destroyed gnomebar on the bottom
[08:28] <bob2> FeJaOr: no idea, sorry
[08:28] <GNAM> i don't see panels of opened programs, and desktop
[08:28] <jinx``> Levander: i don't think it's in the repositorys yet
[08:28] <SeamusLP> Feja0r:  You can use menu-editor to modify the application's menu.
[08:28] <Levander> FeJaOr: try this, in nautilus, in the location bar, "applications:///"
[08:28] <bob2> bread: what are you confused by?
[08:28] <GNAM> i only see trash icon
[08:28] <GNAM> i've no idea why
[08:29] <GNAM> ho can i recover?
[08:29] <Levander> bread: yeah, learning new things always frustrating
[08:29] <GNAM> how
[08:29] <Levander> bread: try learning one thing at a time
[08:29] <Levander> bread: you have a purpose for using Linux?
[08:29] <bodaciousb> Jinx``: what is Sh? its doing its thing now
[08:29] <goli> i have ubuntu installed on an acer travelmate 2308NLCi ... the speaker icon is showing on the top panel...when i use hot keys to mute/increase/decrease sound the speaker icons responds appropriately...but i cannot hear anything...how do i test if my soundcard works
[08:29] <bread> yep
[08:30] <bread> i can do the same thing in windows, linux seems to have better security
[08:30] <jinx``> just "shell"
[08:30] <FeJaOr> Levander, didn't work
[08:30] <bodaciousb> im trying to get away from windows
[08:30] <bread> levander: u know how to code i python?
[08:30] <woodwizzle> Are there any other linux browsers that use KHTML besides konqueror? preferably one in gtk?
[08:30] <pablo928> bob2, would you check http://www.pastebin.com/276523 and tell me what i need to modify to write to /dev/hda1?
[08:30] <Levander> bread: yeah, i know python
[08:30] <jinx``> so it runs he .run file
[08:30] <bread> that is what i mainly want to use linux for
[08:30] <GNAM> help me! I see only trash icon on gnome bottom panel
[08:30] <jinx``> with ist you can run .run and .sh files
[08:31] <bread> i know it can be used in windows, but I want to know linux as well as windows
[08:31] <FeJaOr> Levander, I just don't remeber what the path is in order to get to those files
[08:31] <SeamusLP> GNAM:  You accidentally delete stuff?
[08:31] <bread> wouldn't think I was a network administrator, heh
[08:31] <Levander> bread: i think learning linux and ubuntu is a good thing, especially if you like computers in general, but you can program in python on Windows
[08:31] <GNAM> No
[08:31] <GNAM> no, SeamusLP
[08:31] <Levander> FeJaOr: in nautilus, try opening the location "applications:///"
[08:32] <GNAM> i'm sure
[08:32] <FeJaOr> Levander, that's what I did but didn't work
[08:32] <bread> well, there's several things I want to use linux for: servers amongst other things
[08:32] <SeamusLP> GNAM:  Try this.  Load up a terminal, type in "killall gnome-panel"
[08:32] <bread> levander: how old r u?
[08:32] <Levander> bread: yeah, servers linux is great for, and they're all free
[08:32] <Levander> 31
[08:32] <SeamusLP> GNAM:  It may just be acting up a little and need a restart.  You may also want to submit a bug report to gnome
[08:32] <GNAM> killall gnome-panel
[08:32] <coobra> i like my new ubuntu :)
[08:32] <GNAM> panel restart only with trash icon
[08:32] <Levander> okay, i'm logging into my ubuntu box, i be back
[08:32] <GNAM> doesn't work
[08:33] <bread> u've been using linux/unix since the 80s huh
[08:33] <GNAM> but i've no idea on what's happened :P
[08:33] <SeamusLP> GNAM:  That's really weird...  Alright looks like you'll have to readd everything manually
[08:33] <bread> levander: normally u have to download programs b4 u install
[08:33] <GNAM> ausaua
[08:34] <Sunneh> can anyone tell me why my mounted drive is not in my Places menu anymore since a reboot?
[08:34] <bread> i am just running these commands and not even sure if they're on my system yet
[08:34] <GNAM> can i try to Reinstall a gnome component?
[08:34] <bodaciousb> anyone know where i can find the "applications" folder, that is my start menu button thingy
[08:34] <somnambulantdead> i am having a problem with something that should be incredibly easy
[08:34] <SeamusLP> Sunneh:  I had that problem.  Try restarting dbus-1.  sudo /etc/init.d/dbus-1 restart
[08:35] <Sunneh> SeamusLP - I did that last night and it worked. Do i have to keep doing that to get it to stick?
[08:35] <pablo928> bodaciousb: top left gnome panel
[08:35] <somnambulantdead> i can't get a windeco to install... meanwhile i can get mtaskbar and all other kinds of stuff installed fine
[08:35] <SeamusLP> Sunneh:  It's an odd issue, not everyone has it.  I believe messing with the boot order will fix it.
[08:35] <venkman> Sunneh oops i did it again.
[08:36] <bodaciousb> pablo928: how do i add shortcuts into it?
[08:36] <bodaciousb> pablo928: ahh nevermind i got it =)
[08:36] <SeamusLP> Sunneh:  However I don't mind so much, I've been up since hoary was installed the day it came out ;)
[08:36] <pablo928> bodaciousb:what kind of shortcuts?
[08:36] <Sunneh> lol
[08:37] <pablo928> bodaciousb:
[08:37] <bodaciousb> pablo928: im going to add a shortcut to my music folder on my wifes windows machine
[08:37] <Sunneh> SeamusLP: any idea on how/what to edit in the boot order?
[08:37] <SeamusLP> GNAM:  Just right click on the panel and add your workstation switcher.  Then add your window list.  Then add the show desktop button.  Then file a bug report with gnome ;)
[08:38] <yair> thank you, bob2 and Levander, gcc seem to be working
[08:38] <SeamusLP> Sunneh:  that's been something I've meant to look into in ubuntu.  Try looking up debian runlevel editing.
[08:38] <GNAM> auaua
[08:38] <GNAM> i've just made that
[08:38] <GNAM> it works :P
[08:38] <Sunneh> SeamusLP: Thanks very much. :D
[08:38] <somnambulantdead> does anyone have the .deb for crystal-0.9.2?
[08:39] <SeamusLP> Sunneh:  If you manage to find a solution...  Let me know ;)
[08:39] <thechitowncubs> how long does it take to compile kdelibs?
[08:39] <Sunneh> lol Sure
[08:40] <Sunneh> Anyway, thanks for you help once more.
[08:40] <Sunneh> ttyl
[08:40] <dazzed> whats everyone up to on this fine evening
[08:41] <thechitowncubs> And, if i want to install kubuntu and ubuntu, how do i seperate my menus?
[08:41] <thechitowncubs> so all the kde crap doesn't flow into the gnome menues...
[08:42] <SeamusLP> somnambulantdead:  If you can find an rpm you can convert it with alien -d
[08:42] <bread> levander: where did you go?
[08:42] <bread> bob2: r u on?
[08:42] <bread> dazzed: r u a guru or a novice?
[08:42] <SeamusLP> thechitowncubs:  I like to use seperate user accounts
[08:43] <dazzed> bread: no guru but no novice either...i know my fair share
[08:43] <jinx``> dazzed? evening? it's 8:43am here
[08:43] <jinx``> :P
[08:43] <dazzed> 243 here
[08:43] <somnambulantdead> SeamusLP: the only thing i can manage to download is source which won't properly install
[08:43] <coobra> whats the esyest way to add aterm ?
[08:43] <thechitowncubs> SeamusLP: hmm, ok
[08:43] <SeamusLP> somnambulantdead:  Are there unresolved dependencies?
[08:43] <bread> need help installing something
[08:43] <dazzed> i know enough to know that my nieghboors need to move their wireless hub closer to the window so i can gett a better conn
[08:43] <SeamusLP> thechitowncubs:  This may seem like a bad solution...  However some symlinks and a couple chmods in the home directory will make it very, very seamless ;)
[08:44] <bodaciousb> i have the stupidest question you have ever been asked..... i just installed americas army, the file "Armyops" i belive is the executeable, it has an icon with a brown diamond and it says SH on it..... how do i run that file?
[08:44] <thechitowncubs> Which is easier?
[08:44] <bodaciousb> just run in terminal?
[08:44] <dazzed> bodaciousb: ./file
[08:44] <somnambulantdead> i get weird errors... it enters the directory, decides there is nothing to do in there, and exits
[08:44] <SeamusLP> Is there a makefile in the directory?
[08:45] <bodaciousb> Sweetness, it runs!... ok how do i make a shortcut to it for my applications bar
[08:45] <thechitowncubs> i created a new user, but how do i install kde under that user and not the one i am now?
[08:45] <somnambulantdead> yeah
[08:45] <dazzed> i dont use gnome couldnt tell ya
[08:45] <dazzed> bread: did you have a problem?
[08:46] <SeamusLP> thechitowncubs:  Hmm you know now that I think about it that might not work... unless you can install kde to the new home directory
[08:47] <somnambulantdead> configure works fine... finally got all the depends for that
[08:47] <SeamusLP> thechitowncubs:  Are you sure that installing kde will put all of the kde icons in your gnome menu?
[08:47] <bread> dazzed: yes
[08:47] <dazzed> thechitowncubs: you on ubu or kubuntu?
[08:47] <thechitowncubs> Ubuntu
[08:47] <dazzed> bread: whats up?
[08:47] <SeamusLP> somnambulantdead:  Could you pm me the exact error message when you try a make?
[08:47] <dazzed> thechitowncubs: so you installed kubuntu-desktop package?
[08:47] <pablo928> dazzed:could you check http://www.pastebin.com/276523 and tell me how i can write to /dev/hda1, please?
[08:47] <bread> trying to intall a couple of programs
[08:47] <thechitowncubs> thats what im planning on doing
[08:47] <thechitowncubs> but last time it crapped up all my gnome menus
[08:47] <dazzed> bread:  like?
[08:48] <bread> mplayer and gaim
[08:48] <bread> cdrecord also
[08:48] <bread> i want to burn cds
[08:48] <dazzed> bread: ur ubuntu didnt come with gaim?
[08:48] <dazzed> bread: and get k3b (its the best)
[08:48] <somnambulantdead> well i get this
[08:48] <somnambulantdead> make[2] : Nothing to be done for `install-exec-am'.
[08:48] <dazzed> for burning
[08:48] <somnambulantdead> not really an error
[08:49] <bread> dazzed: well, the newer version
[08:49] <dazzed> pablo928: let me find the thing you have to add
[08:49] <bread> dazzed: i am not familiar with k3b
[08:49] <somnambulantdead> make[2] : Nothing to be done for `install-data-am'.
[08:49] <thechitowncubs> dazzed, any ideas of how to seperate the two menus?
[08:49] <SeamusLP> somnambulantdead:  Hmmm, try sudo make install maybe?
[08:49] <yfir> anyone know which file to edit to change the order of sessions listed on the gdm login screen? i can't seem to find it anywhere
[08:49] <dazzed> pablo928: you have to chmod it to certain permissions
[08:49] <somnambulantdead> that is what i have done
[08:49] <dazzed> thechitowncubs: for gnome?
[08:49] <venkman> yfir you tried the manpage?
[08:49] <dazzed> bread: k3b is like nero more or less if your framilliar with nero...its universal cd burning software...(cant get better)
[08:50] <thechitowncubs> dazzed: i just want to make sure kde doesn't put its icons in my gnome menu
[08:50] <yfir> venkman: yeah
[08:50] <SeamusLP> somnambulantdead:  Have you compiled the program first?  it's ./configure, then make, then sudo make install
[08:50] <bread> where do i obtain it from?
[08:50] <dazzed> bread: since your trying to get newest version of gaim i take it your compiling
[08:50] <venkman> does gaim have an autopackage?
[08:50] <pablo928> dazzed dev/hda1 used to be ntfs, yesterday i reformatted to ext3
[08:50] <somnambulantdead> yes
[08:50] <somnambulantdead> i have
[08:50] <dazzed> thechitowncubs: well i dont use kde or gnome so i dont know specifics lol ...to my knowledge i dont think it will
[08:50] <bread> if i knew how
[08:51] <thechitowncubs> i tried it once, and it did
[08:51] <dazzed> pablo928: you still need to chmod permissions to write...
[08:51] <somnambulantdead> multiple times... the other steps run fine... just make install get all fuxored
[08:51] <thechitowncubs> what are you using dazzed?
[08:51] <bob2> bread: look for k3b in synaptic
[08:51] <XTCboarder> this ain't a linux question but if somebody knows i'll apreciate it... can you load ur iPod with other thing than the iTunes soft or it's clone for other plataforms? meaning can you just plug it as a hard drive and drag thing into it?
[08:51] <dazzed> pablo928: add this to your mount command '-o umask=002 0 0
[08:51] <SeamusLP> somnambulantdead:  Might be possible to go ahead and run the program...  If you do a make it may make a directory somewhere that you can go into and run some executable
[08:51] <dazzed> ';
[08:52] <bob2> XTCboarder: no
[08:52] <venkman> i burn my CDs using paper matches and a magnifine glass.
[08:52] <bob2> XTCboarder: complain to apple
[08:52] <bodaciousb> America's army runs beautifully on my machine woohoo, my first real Linux game
[08:52] <somnambulantdead> not a program... just a windeco
[08:52] <bread> bob2 okay
[08:52] <SeamusLP> somnambulantdead:  That would at least be a temporary solution
[08:52] <SeamusLP> ah I see
[08:52] <somnambulantdead> which is why it is so confusing... because programs seem to compile fine
[08:52] <pablo928> dazzed, thanks i'll give it a try
[08:52] <dazzed> bread: so your "trying" to compile
[08:52] <dazzed> bread: first you need to apt-get build-essential;
[08:52] <XTCboarder> bob2 only using that shit?
[08:53] <XTCboarder> haha good,
[08:53] <XTCboarder> i'm making a school job
[08:53] <bread> dazzed: where do i get that
[08:53] <bread> bob2: it isn't there
[08:53] <SeamusLP> somnambulantdead:  seems rather out of the ordinary.  Perhaps it's simply broken?
[08:53] <yfir> another gdm question: how do i add a "failsafe" mode to a session in the gdm session choser?
[08:53] <dazzed> bread: goto your terminal and "sudo apt-get install build-essential"
[08:53] <closure> firefox officialy sucks for ubuntu
[08:53] <membreya> can someone help me with a question regarding the use of a digital camera and ubuntu ?
[08:53] <bob2> dazzed: dude
[08:53] <somnambulantdead> what is wrong with FF?
[08:53] <thechitowncubs> bob2: you're smart =D, how can i seperate my kde application menu icons from my gnome menus
[08:53] <venkman> closure shit works for me
[08:53] <dazzed> bob2: ?
[08:53] <SeamusLP> FF works here
[08:53] <bob2> dazzed: please don't encourage him/her to do that unless you're going to be there to explain *everything*
[08:54] <closure> oh it works
[08:54] <bob2> thechitowncubs: no idea, I don't use menus
[08:54] <dazzed> bob2: i was planning on it
[08:54] <thechitowncubs> hehe
[08:54] <thechitowncubs> damn
[08:54] <closure> try getting it running real nice with video audio and schok
[08:54] <closure> it'll crash in no time
[08:54] <closure> shock
[08:54] <membreya> what's happening is when I plug in the cam, dmesg is picking it up ... and it's printing the message /dev/scsi/host4/bus0/target0/lun0 however /dev/scsi does not exist as a dir...it's apparently assigning it as /dev/sdc but again it's not
[08:54] <dazzed> bob2: and its not that hard to figure out...its something everyone needs to know...its not complicated considering its 3 commands
[08:54] <membreya> do I need to install and special packages?
[08:54] <remi_> salut a tous
[08:54] <venkman> closure that's not firefox's fault or ubuntu's
[08:55] <bob2> dazzed: well, it's not something "everyone needs to know", everything anyone cares about should be packaged
[08:55] <bob2> membreya: are you using breezy?
[08:55] <bread> dazzed: i think we finally have something working
[08:55] <membreya> bob2: yes
[08:55] <dazzed> bob2: ...yeah make linux more like windows use..."everything you should ever need is in packages"
[08:55] <bread> bob2: k3b isn't there
[08:55] <XTCboarder> bob2 are you shure it's like that on the iPod's?
[08:55] <dazzed> not everything everyone needs is in packages
[08:55] <fitheach> morning all
[08:55] <bob2> membreya: then it's a known bug that you'll have to wait to have fixed
[08:55] <bob2> bread: yes it is
[08:55] <dazzed> and most of the debian packages are out dated
[08:55] <SeamusLP> thechitowncubs:  I think if you simply do not log on with kde with a particular user it will not create the files in your home directory that add the menu icons.  I'm not 100% on that.
[08:55] <dazzed> ...
[08:55] <bob2> dazzed: everything should be in packages
[08:56] <membreya> bob2: aaaah crud
[08:56] <bob2> membreya: (everyone has been telling people not to use breezy)
[08:56] <dazzed> bob2: until the day that debian catches up and is able to update packages to follow along with dev updates...then packages are not the answer
[08:56] <bob2> XTCboarder: they do not use any standard protocol afaik
[08:56] <membreya> bob2: yeah but where's the fun..oh well I can always boot into a hoary livecd
[08:56] <bob2> dazzed: haha
[08:56] <XTCboarder> oh....
[08:56] <bob2> membreya: is there fun in a system that doesn't mount your camera?
[08:57] <bread> going to look again
[08:57] <membreya> bob2: a slight hinderance at best :)
[08:57] <closure> venkman, well who's fault is it then?
[08:57] <dazzed> bob2: im a huge fan of the debian way (why i use it :) ) but you gotta understand most of the shit is very out of date ...considering linux is all about constant forward motion
[08:57] <thechitowncubs> seamus: that makes since
[08:57] <bob2> dazzed: linux isn't about that, but that's a side issue
[08:57] <remi_> nobody on the ubuntu french  xchat
[08:57] <venkman> closure yours, the people who made the plugin, or the people who wrote the decoder or whatever
[08:57] <bob2> dazzed: what for example isn't up to date?
[08:57] <yfir> dazzed: who told you linux is about 'constant forward motion'?
[08:58] <SeamusLP> thechitowncubs:  You can ensure that one user logs in as kde and the other logs in as gnome by your .xsession file in the home directory, I believe
[08:58] <closure> venkman, lol i highly doubt it since many people are having issues with it
[08:58] <bob2> dazzed: and wouldn't it be better to get them updated so everyone can benefit from that work?
[08:58] <bread> bob2: i am looking under All section in the K section and I don' t C it
[08:58] <remi_> do you use gDesklets
[08:58] <closure> mplayer is pretty damn stable
[08:58] <closure> shock is stable
[08:58] <pixil9> i'm starting to like totem-xine
[08:58] <venkman> i use totem
[08:58] <dazzed> bob2, yfir: i misworderd its not "about" forward motion...but things are constantly updated almost DAILY
[08:58] <closure> firefox should be stable
[08:58] <bob2> bread: ok, but it is there, assuming you enabled universe and multiverse
[08:58] <bob2> dazzed: sure, and wait until you see grumpy
[08:58] <closure> but it's not in ubuntu for some reaosn
[08:58] <bodaciousb> What is a good mp3 player? Xmms isnt working at all
[08:58] <closure> err reason
[08:59] <bread> bob2, i did enable those
[08:59] <bob2> dazzed: but what is "out of date" in ubuntu?
[08:59] <Adross> how do i edit the gnome-places menu?
[08:59] <yfir> bodaciousb: before you change audio players, make sure that xmms is configured to use esd rather than alsa/oss
[08:59] <dazzed> bob2: if your so hung up on not rolling your own apps then you shouldnt be using linux .. i mean honestly "./configure && make && sudo make install" is just as easy as "sudo apt-get install"
[08:59] <thechitowncubs> Seamuslp: I don't have an .xsession file in my home dir
[08:59] <bread> bob2: yeah, it is under software sources
[08:59] <bodaciousb> yfir: ok
[08:59] <SeamusLP> thechitowncubs:  I think you have to make one ;)
[09:00] <thechitowncubs> hehe
[09:00] <dazzed> bob2: plenty of things...thats why new versions come out every six months to keep up with the change...theres been 2 releases of gaim since hoary came out a lone
[09:00] <dazzed> and its not just ubuntu
[09:00] <thechitowncubs> I wish I knew what to put in there
[09:00] <dazzed> its debian in general
[09:00] <bob2> dazzed: dude, I *maintain* packages
[09:00] <bread> dazzed: do you have the latest version of gaim?
[09:00] <bread> installed
[09:00] <dazzed> then why is fluxbox still on 9.11 when 9.13 is gettin ready to come out?
[09:01] <dazzed> bread: no i dont care enough to update :)
[09:01] <bob2> dazzed: I'm quite capable of compiling things, I just think that it's way better for me to put effort into that so it's trivial for other people to get software than it is for thousands of people to compile it
[09:01] <SeamusLP> thechitowncubs:  for gnome I think you just add gnome-session
[09:01] <bob2> dazzed: and both of those releases of gaim are in breezy, afaik
[09:01] <bodaciousb> yfir: where do i find that setting?
[09:01] <Levander> lol @ dazzed telling bob how easy building packages is...
[09:01] <bread> dazzed: i did build essential and now how do I compile?
[09:01] <SeamusLP> thechitowncubs:  there may be guides... I'm not sure myself since I don't use the file...
[09:01] <Adross> anyone, gnome places menu?
[09:01] <DerNetteWurm> hey guys, why does ubuntu still run x after "init 3" ?
[09:01] <dazzed> bob2: you have to understand im not complaining about the packages...blah blah...im jsut saying that people "should" know how to compile considering somethings cant be provided by packages...and its just good knowledge to know
[09:02] <dazzed> bread: ok im going to explain to you so you know what your doing not just typing commands pm me
[09:02] <bob2> Adross: no need to repeat, and I'm pretty sure it's not modifiable
[09:02] <bob2> Adross: try asking on the user list
[09:02] <Adross> user...list?
[09:02] <thechitowncubs> then kde-session ?
[09:02] <bob2> Adross: the mailing list
[09:02] <thechitowncubs> for kde?
[09:02] <SeamusLP> Andross:  The places menu tends to edit itself based on mounted partitions, recent documents, and quick-folders.
[09:02] <Adross> ooh, ah well, thanks anyway
[09:02] <Adross> cya
[09:02] <bob2> anyway, work time
[09:02] <yfir> bodaciousb: somewhere in options or preferences. i don't use xmms so i'm not exactly sure, but somewhere you'll find a box for 'output'. set it to esd or enlightened whatever
[09:02] <bread> dazzed: listening
[09:03] <dazzed> bob2: btw thank you for maintaining packages...and i know you cant get em all...but people love fluxbox get that up to date fo ril
[09:03] <SeamusLP> thechitowncubs:  I really don't know.  Look it up.  Google for kde xsession :P
[09:03] <dazzed> bread: im going to pm you hold up
[09:03] <yfir> bodaciousb: it might be referred to as esound too, not sure
[09:03] <bob2> dazzed: I have no interest in fluxbox, tho
[09:03] <bob2> dazzed: but you do
[09:03] <bob2> d	why don't you help get it updated? :)
[09:03] <dazzed> bob2: but A LOT OF PEOPLE DO
[09:03] <Nico_1981> Hello !  how to get rid of the tooltips that appear on the windows list ? I could not find this setting anywhere in the control center or configuration editor
[09:03] <bodaciousb> yfir: ok esound is in there
[09:03] <bob2> dazzed: I'm sure some people do
[09:03] <dazzed> bob2: cuz i dont "*maintain*" packages
[09:03] <bob2> dazzed: why not?
[09:03] <dazzed> no time
[09:04] <dazzed> i got school and stuff to attend
[09:04] <bob2> and I have a fulltime job
[09:04] <Levander> lol @ dont "*maintain*"
[09:04] <bodaciousb> yfir: it jsut doesnt play, it will load the file, just play does nothing at all, i did just install it though, ill try to restart, brb
[09:04] <dazzed> well...im 19 years old and id rather go out get drunk smoke pot then maintain packages for ubuntu
[09:04] <yfir> bodaciousb: probably no need to restart your comp...
[09:04] <bob2> anyway, just a suggestion for how you can help if you care about fluxbox
[09:04] <yfir> oh well...
[09:04] <remi_> what is grumpy i m french
[09:04] <Levander> dazzed: if you don't have time to maintain a package, how do you have time to keep up with all the latest updates?
[09:05] <yfir> dazzed: then quit complaining about fluxbox not up-to-cutting-edge-date
[09:05] <dazzed> bob2: anyway im not trying to get on your case we are fighting the same cause...im just trying to state that there isnt a package for everything...
[09:05] <bob2> dudes, chill out
[09:05] <dazzed> yfir...shh
[09:06] <Levander> dazzed: but haning out complaining about packages takes priority over drinking and smoking apparently...
[09:06] <bob2> Levander: dude
[09:06] <dazzed> Levander: that has no relation
[09:06] <natecull> Printing question:
[09:06] <bob2> come on
[09:06] <natecull> How do I completely clear a job from the print queue?
[09:06] <dazzed> Levander: im not complaining about packages
[09:06] <dazzed> do you not listen
[09:06] <kaesehummer> nothing takes priority over drinking and smoking!
[09:06] <dazzed> ...
[09:06] <Levander> all right, i'll stop - dazzed is a trol though... but i'll stop
[09:06] <pixil9> dazzed, agreed.
[09:06] <natecull> I am using the Gnome Print Manager to clear the queue, and it says it is doing it
[09:06] <yfir> dazzed: in anycase, what you are after (some repository that is totally up to date with every package in it) will never happen.
[09:06] <SeamusLP> bob2:  Cheers to the smoking man.
[09:06] <dazzed> rofl Levander ...
[09:06] <natecull> but when I turn my printer back on, it starts printing the middle of a job
[09:06] <dazzed> yfir: thats what should happen...
[09:07] <natecull> is there another spool somewhere that CUPS is using that I need to clear?
[09:07] <SeamusLP> dazzed I meant, heh
[09:07] <bob2> yfir: yes, it will
[09:07] <dazzed> some of you have a lot to learn
[09:07] <bob2> wait a couple of months
[09:07] <pixil9> yfir: I'm in the CIA and my repositories are totally upto date daily
[09:07] <Levander> dazzed: if you actually worked on it, and didn't just sit on the sidelines crying foul, you would see it's not gonna happen, it can't
[09:07] <natecull> Rebooting my machine clears the queue. Presumably there's a way to *really* clear a queue that doesn't involve rebooting?
[09:07] <bob2> Levander: dude
[09:07] <bob2> drop it
[09:07] <yfir> dazzed: how? i can't think of a single system anywhere (linux or not) where the compiled binaries are exactly matched to developer's source
[09:07] <dazzed> Levander: sit on the sidelines...
[09:07] <bob2> you're not even listening to what dazzed is saying
[09:07] <dazzed> thats funny
[09:08] <Levander> okay, bye guys, i gotta sleep..
[09:08] <dazzed> Levander: you have no idea what im talking about do you
[09:08] <Levander> have fun
[09:08] <bodaciousb> yfir:  i reset xmms still is not doing anything, what do you use?
[09:08] <Levander> dazzed: no, i don't
[09:08] <Levander> but bye, gotta sleep...
[09:08] <pixil9> LISTEN ALL. YOU'RE ALL WRONG
[09:08] <dazzed> Levander: i dont think i complained about packages once...besides the statement that some packages are out of date...and you cant use .debs for everything...i dont really consider that complaining
[09:08] <kaesehummer> I'll type in all caps, because that makes me look smart
[09:08] <yfir> bodaciousb: beep media player, but it's essentially xmms, so it won't help to switch to it most likely
[09:08] <natecull> anybody have any suggestions?
[09:08] <yfir> bodaciousb: did you change the settings to esound?
[09:08] <bodaciousb> yfir:  i found the problem
[09:08] <pixil9> kaesehummer, YES I KNOW
[09:08] <dazzed> TO all you fuckers that think im a troll...if i didnt like packages why would i be on a debian based os...
[09:09] <bob2> dazzed: stop it
[09:09] <dazzed> fuckin morons
[09:09] <bob2> end of discussion, all of you
[09:09] <bodaciousb> yfir:  i was tyring to play from a windows shared drive, my wifes xomputer, if i copy the mp3 to mine it WILL play
[09:09] <yfir> bodaciousb: haha
[09:09] <bodaciousb> yfir:  that sucks.... i have 1500 mp3's over there
[09:09] <pablo928> dazzed, tried to mount /etc/fstab "error on line #8"http://www.pastebin.com/276536 newest ?etc/fstab
[09:09] <natecull> I take it that's a no
[09:10] <yfir> bodaciousb: move them :)
[09:10] <dazzed> yfir: what are u talking about?
[09:10] <yfir> dazzed: huh?
[09:10] <dazzed> pablo928: hmmm...thats how i do it
[09:10] <natecull> sigh. Time to reboot then. Have a good life, all.
[09:10] <bodaciousb> is there a way to mount a network drive?
[09:10] <yfir> dazzed: it seemed you were upset that the ubuntu binary packages didn't match developer's source releases. I was just pointing out that it will never happen
[09:11] <dCYFa> hello all
[09:11] <SeamusLP> bodaciousbob:  Check out places, connec to server
[09:11] <SeamusLP> bodaciousbob:  Service type is going to be windows share ;)
[09:11] <bob2> yfir: please?
[09:11] <dazzed> bob2: and im sorry for getting upset...its just some people that i have seen maybe 2 times in this chat try to tell me im stupid gets on my nerves...and you understood me for the most part i wasnt trying to get upset we were just talking then some stupid asses had to jump in
[09:11] <yfir> bob2: ok. he asked what i was talking about though. subject dropped
[09:11] <dazzed> yfir: i realize that wont ever happen...its just what SHOULD happen to rule out compiling...
[09:12] <saber_> how can you enable php in apache2? i've already edited apache2.conf to have the AddType/DirectoryIndex directives
[09:12] <pablo928> dazzed. thanks for the help....i'll try again tomorrow
[09:12] <bodaciousb> SeamusLP: i need to mount the drive so xmms will think that the files on that server are local
[09:12] <pixil9> saber_, apt-get install libapache2-mod-php4
[09:12] <dCYFa> nice project you have here...
[09:12] <dazzed>  pablo928 sorry man :(
[09:12] <pixil9> /etc/init.d/apache restart
[09:12] <bob2> saber_: do you have the libapache2-mod-php3 package installed?
[09:13] <saber_> ah. i do not have libapache2-mod-php
[09:13] <saber_> i thought all i needed was php
[09:13] <dazzed> bob2: who do i talk to about getting into maintaining packages?
[09:13] <SeamusLP> bodaciousb:  Good question, I know it's possible with NFS.
[09:13] <pixil9> the website?
[09:14] <bodaciousb> SeamusLP: whats nfs?
[09:14] <pablo928> dazzed, it will happen some time...just need to try some more. meanwhile i still have about 70GB on hdb to fill
[09:14] <SeamusLP> bodaciousb:  Well it won't help you out here because you need an NFS server
[09:14] <bodaciousb> SeamusLP: oh =)
[09:14] <dazzed> bodaciousb: nfs is a file transfer system for linux computers
[09:14] <dazzed> pablo928: hehe gl
[09:15] <SeamusLP> bodaciousb:  xmms will not play them over a network?
[09:15] <bodaciousb> SeamusLP: not at all
[09:15] <bodaciousb> SeamusLP: i copy it to the desktop and off it goes...
[09:15] <dazzed> has anyone else notices lockups caused by xmms?
[09:15] <bodaciousb> SeamusLP: its funny, it wont play the file, but it will load it... it will start scrolling the song name
[09:16] <bodaciousb> SeamusLP: the play button just doesnt do anything
[09:17] <SeamusLP> bodaciousb:  hmm, is it possible with rhythmbox?
[09:17] <bodaciousb> SeamusLP: thats not installed
[09:17] <SeamusLP> bodaciousb:  I may have found something.  Check this link out http://rtfm.dyndns.info/tips/2000/04/30/26.shtml
[09:17] <bob2> dazzed: #ubuntu-motu
[09:17] <bodaciousb> whats the command to search for packages on sudo? suck as rythembox and wine
[09:18] <bob2> bodaciousb: how do you mean? apt-cache search wine?
[09:18] <saber_> great. worked like a charm...
[09:18] <topyli> sudo?
[09:18] <dazzed> bob2: thanks ... just anyone in there?
[09:18] <bodaciousb> SeamusLP: ill check that out
[09:18] <bodaciousb> bob2: exactly bob, thank you
[09:18] <pixil9> just use smbfs in your fstab
[09:18] <bob2> dazzed: yes.
[09:18] <bob2> bodaciousb: you mean "command line", not "sudo", btw
[09:19] <bodaciousb> bob2: i dont even know what sudo is.... all i know is i type that first
[09:20] <bodaciousb> and apperently wine is nowhere
[09:20] <bob2> bodaciousb: you don't need to use sudo with apt-cache
[09:20] <SeamusLP> bodaciousb: yeah and as pixil9 said, you should be able to add it to /etc/fstab
[09:20] <dazzed> bob2: thanks again...and sorry for gettin upset earlier...i just dont like gettin ganged up on...gettin called a trol by some newb
[09:20] <bob2> bodaciousb: wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto explains how to enable universe
[09:21] <bodaciousb> bob2: ok
[09:21] <DerNetteWurm> hmmm how do i turn x off?
[09:21] <bodaciousb> seamuslp: yeah im reading up on that right now
[09:21] <pixil9> DerNetteWurm, Remove gdm?
[09:21] <venkman> dazzed : goddamn newb ;)
[09:21] <bob2> DerNetteWurm: depends what you mean.  what are you trying todo?
[09:21] <venkman> DerNetteWurm: /etc/init.d/xorg stop
[09:21] <venkman> maybe
[09:21] <bob2> no
[09:21] <DerNetteWurm> trying to install nvidia drivers :)
[09:22] <pixil9> I guess update-rc.d -f xorg remove works
[09:22] <bob2> then you don't need to disable it
[09:22] <bob2> pixil9: no, that's also wrong
[09:22] <bob2> DerNetteWurm: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:22] <pixil9> why not?
[09:22] <pixil9> lol
[09:22] <cens0red> DerNetteWurm $gdm stop
[09:23] <bob2> no
[09:23] <SeamusLP> good luck everyone... I'm off to bed.
[09:23] <DerNetteWurm> are those drivers the same that are on the nvidia page?
[09:24] <bob2> please just use that guide
[09:24] <venkman> yea
[09:24] <bob2> it's way easier for you and us
[09:24] <venkman> nvidia's are probably newer, but DOESNT mean better.
[09:24] <bezibaerchen> isnt mplayer in the repositories?
[09:24] <bob2> they are some release of drivers from nvidia
[09:24] <bob2> bezibaerchen: yes, wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[09:24] <pixil9> The ubuntuguide is way better than that
[09:24] <pixil9> thats just not necessary
[09:24] <DerNetteWurm> hmmm k
[09:25] <DerNetteWurm> thx :)
[09:25] <pixil9> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#installnvidiadriver
[09:25] <pixil9> look @ that DerNetteWurm
[09:25] <bezibaerchen> bob2: hmm, same with SuSE...
[09:25] <bob2> pixil9: then please fix the wiki
[09:25] <bob2> spreading documentation across the universe is not a good idea
[09:25] <bodaciousb> is makedir the command to make a directry?
[09:25] <bob2> bodaciousb: mkdir
[09:25] <bodaciousb> bob2: thank you
[09:26] <venkman> ahh
[09:27] <venkman> i think i convinced someone at work today to use ubuntu.
[09:27] <venkman> gentoo--\
[09:27] <Zerboxx> Hello
[09:28] <jsgotangco> that's good man
[09:29] <Zerboxx> Anyone able to help me with 2 (hopefully small) problems? 1 regarding sound control, the other regarding X-Chat
[09:31] <topyli> opinion: should i add this to the RootSudo wiki entry? "Every cracker trying to brute-force their way into your box will know it has an account named "root" and will try that first. What they don't know is the usernames of your other users."
[09:31] <topyli> hrm. "are the usernames of..."
[09:32] <breadcrook> r there any Gurus here?
[09:33] <DerNetteWurm> yeah tuxracer works :)
[09:33] <DerNetteWurm> my life is way better now
[09:35] <Don> must be few files missing warty live cd
[09:36] <Don> no way can I get online with dialup
[09:38] <topyli> ok, changed the wiki. if i broke it, flame away :)
[09:38] <cikilin> what i need to listen am mp3 song just putting mouce over it?
[09:38] <Codename_V> hey there.  just wondering, if I have an opteron does unbuntu handle multilib stuff ok?  meaning if I want to put some 64 bit and 32 bit apps togehter on the same system, does that work?
[09:40] <topyli> Zerboxx: you'll have to ask before we know if we can answer :)
[09:41] <Zerboxx> topyli: I was just wanted to make sure I wasn't wasting my time :)
[09:41] <cikilin> what i need to listen am mp3 song just putting mouce over itwithaout click?
[09:42] <topyli> Zerboxx: well, that's what you're doing right now ;)
[09:42] <scizzo> cikilin: you need a player for it...and also the mad lib
[09:42] <cikilin> k
[09:42] <cikilin> i ahve a player
[09:42] <cikilin> xmms
[09:42] <Zerboxx> So problem 1: I use a laptop, and have my stereo plugged into the headphone jack.  I also have a keyboard with volume control, but it dosn't control the headphone volume, is it possible to make it so it does?
[09:42] <blueyed> scizzo, he means "preview" on hover.
[09:43] <ups> cikilin, install sox
[09:43] <blueyed> Zerboxx, does the kbd volume control works at all?
[09:43] <topyli> Zerboxx: laptops are dogs. have you tried the "keyboard shortcuts" preferences in the "system" menu?
[09:43] <Zerboxx> kbd? I've gone into the volume control and I can control it from there, but not the keyboard
[09:43] <scizzo> blueyed: ooo...hmmm
[09:44] <cikilin> where can i get mad lib
[09:44] <Zerboxx> topyli: yeah, when I use the volume controls the master volume changes/mutes, but that doesn't change the volume coming out of the headphone jack
[09:44] <topyli> ahh
[09:44] <breadcrook> ne gurus?
[09:44] <davegahan> I need help: while booting into ubuntu, and after giving my username and password my system crashes
[09:44] <breadcrook> dazzed: what happen?
[09:44] <blueyed> Zerboxx, kbd=keyboard. I mean: get the keys recognized. But I remember having setup mine for volume up/down with gnome, too.
[09:45] <dazzed> breadcrook: long story... got kicked
[09:45] <blueyed> Zerboxx, so this is just an issue of master/channel volume.
[09:45] <breadcrook> by whom?
[09:45] <davegahan> it crashes so bad i have to pull out power and my battery to reboot
[09:45] <dazzed> breadcrook: which file did you download from the gaim site?
[09:45] <breadcrook> bz2
[09:45] <breadcrook> wanna pm
[09:45] <dazzed> theres like 20 bz2's
[09:45] <dazzed> lol
[09:45] <Zerboxx> Yeah, the keys are recognized (by keyboard controls, and not amaroK for some reason *shrugs*), but only control master
[09:45] <dazzed> did you download the source bz2
[09:45] <Zerboxx> if possible, I'd like it to control headphones instead
[09:46] <blueyed> Zerboxx, no idea.. :(
[09:46] <Mirv> davegahan: are you running i386, x86-64 or powerpc ubuntu?
[09:46] <davegahan> i run a centrino notebook, kernel 386 and 686 give the same effect
[09:46] <Zerboxx> blueyed: Thanks for trying, hopefully I'll find something online, now for question 2 :)
[09:47] <davegahan> i need to get into my system to retrieve my files
[09:47] <Mirv> davegahan: not that I had much idea, but one friend of mine has x86-64 installation and had a similar problem.. then again her pc was definitely problematic (windows crashed a lot of time) and is being repaired
[09:47] <Zerboxx> When I first attempted to get to here from the ubuntu website, I get a error messsage that states: "irc is not a registered protocol" how can I make it so it is, so it starts up X-Chat?
[09:47] <Mirv> davegahan: to retrieve your files, you could try Ubuntu live cd
[09:48] <davegahan> i running windows from the dual boot and have no problem
[09:48] <Mirv> ok, then it's weird
[09:48] <davegahan> oh my god, this smells really bad
[09:48] <davegahan> it all started with totem freezing my whole system yesterday
[09:49] <kadambi> My machine is running Hoary, iam trying totem movie player to play .DAT file, but i'm getting only audio no video . any way out ?
[09:50] <lunitik> kadambi: Codecs installed via w32codecs?
[09:51] <kadambi> I have no idea regrd w32codecs
[09:51] <davegahan> anyone who knows how i can retrieve my files ? ubuntu crashes while booting gnome
[09:51] <blueyed> davegahan, have you tried another window manager? or plain console (tty1)?
[09:52] <blueyed> try switching there with ctrl-alt-f1.. you can install then kde or xfce, if term is not enough.
[09:53] <lunitik> kadambi: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[09:53] <bezibaerchen>  http://fredsmith.us/mirror/funny/ft020726.gif
[09:53] <lunitik> kadambi: you have totem-xine installed correct?
[09:53] <davegahan> no i have not tried console
[09:54] <lunitik> kadambi: those codecs don't work with totem-gstreamer...
[09:54] <davegahan> i did boot up in text mode but my knowledge of console commands is limited
[09:54] <guruff> lo
[09:54] <lunitik> kadambi: (just apt-get install totem-xine w32codecs when you activate the repo)
[09:55] <blueyed> Zerboxx, about url handlers with gnome, I'Ve found this: http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_id=6836649&forum_id=6199
[09:55] <guruff> is there any chance in future to have ubuntu optimized for specific processor; just like gentoo distros ? just wondering; anyhow what would be performance gain from having whole system compiled for: for example 686 not 386 ????????
[09:55] <Zerboxx> blueyed Thanks again, I'll check it out
[09:56] <cikilin> ups i installed sox but is not working
[09:57] <breadcrook> what r u people doing?
[09:57] <venkman> guruff the results have been mixed. i would suggest just making sure you have the right kernel image installed.
[09:58] <venkman> breadcrook : i'm working on some pl/sql
[09:58] <breadcrook> really
[09:58] <venkman> yup
[09:58] <breadcrook> for what?
[09:58] <venkman> database designs.
[09:58] <venkman> a class.
[09:58] <cikilin> what i need to listen am mp3 song just putting mouce over it withaout click?
[09:58] <breadcrook> in access or oracle?
[09:58] <Raquen> a good program for see video?
[09:58] <venkman> oracle
[09:58] <guruff> venkman; i have p3, and 686 kernel installed but still it is a bit slow
[09:58] <breadcrook> venkman: do you have a movie database?
[09:59] <venkman> nah
[09:59] <venkman> i have tables for... students, tranasactions at a library and books
[09:59] <ups> cikilin, do u have mpg321 installed?
[09:59] <davegahan> there is a movie database called GCfilms
[09:59] <breadcrook> venkman: i mean for a library of your own movies
[10:00] <venkman> oh
[10:00] <venkman> no
[10:00] <venkman> but i do own the ghostbusters!
[10:00] <venkman> and space balls :)
[10:00] <gypsymauro> hello
[10:00] <cikilin> where do i have to check?
[10:00] <venkman> you?
[10:00] <ups> cikilin, synaptic
[10:00] <cikilin> k
[10:00] <cikilin> let me see
[10:01] <Raquen> ups: a good program for see video?
[10:01] <gypsymauro> trying to install ubuntu on a lan client, I can access to internet only thrugh proxy, but the installer never asks me to configure it so it freezes trying to test apt repository
[10:01] <ups> Raquen, totem, mplayer, vlc...
[10:01] <syn-ack> It should ask for a proxy
[10:01] <Raquen> tnx
[10:01] <syn-ack> thats one of the first things the installed does
[10:02] <davegahan> I like VLC a lot
[10:02] <davegahan> much better than Totem
[10:02] <ups> vlc is nice, but mplayer can pretty much play *any* video file :)
[10:02] <bodaciousb> how do i delete a directry that isnt empty?
[10:02] <cikilin> ups no
[10:03] <ups> yeah totem with gstreamer backend doesn't work well for me too
[10:03] <cikilin> do i intsall it?
[10:03] <ups> cikilin, ofcourse :)
[10:03] <syn-ack> bodaciousb: man rm and man rmdir
[10:03] <bodaciousb> syn-ack do you mean delete everything individually?
[10:03] <syn-ack> no
[10:03] <gypsymauro> syn-ack: it doesn't.. :/
[10:04] <syn-ack> gypsymauro: which installer is this?
[10:04] <syn-ack> bodaciousb: I mean man the rm page and read it... it will tell you how to do it..
[10:04] <cikilin> ups thanks
[10:04] <cikilin> working
[10:04] <syn-ack> bodaciousb: BE CARFULL with the command though
[10:04] <ups> cikilin, np
[10:04] <bodaciousb> syn-ack: ok, thank you
[10:04] <blueyed> davegahan, you could just do "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop" which would install all KDE relevant packages, then from the login window (gdm) choose KDE and hope that it does not lockup.
[10:05] <blueyed> What about failsafe gnome (or sth similar)?
[10:06] <venkman> wow
[10:06] <venkman> my 30 line pl/sql function compiled.
[10:06] <venkman> hah
[10:07] <Aircobra> hi
[10:07] <gypsymauro> syn-ack: ubuntu 5.04 choosing italian
[10:08] <davegahan> OK I will try to do that blueyed
[10:08] <davegahan> how can I get rid of KDE afterwards ?
[10:08] <gypsymauro> it installs the system then asks me if I want to download italian packages , I answer yes but then it checks apt repository without asking me proxy config
[10:09] <gypsymauro> and then doesn't goes in timeout..
[10:09] <syn-ack> gypsymauro: hrm.... the Hoary installer did it for me... I dont think the codepage would really matter in this situation...
[10:10] <venkman> damn italians.
[10:10] <gypsymauro> lol
[10:10] <gypsymauro> venkman: :P
[10:10] <venkman> :)
[10:10] <syn-ack> Im italian.. watch it. :p
[10:10] <venkman> where's my lamborghini?
[10:10] <gypsymauro> hoary is the 5.04?
[10:10] <bodaciousb> syn-ack: i read the manual and rmdir -d doesnt do anything, as well as rm -d -f doesnt do anything
[10:10] <syn-ack> gypsymauro: yes
[10:10] <venkman> i want an early 90s contach please.
[10:11] <bodaciousb> syn-ack: i still cant delete that directry withought doing a 1 file at a time deal
[10:11] <bob2> bodaciousb: rm -r dirname
[10:11] <venkman> oh
[10:11] <venkman> and i want white
[10:11] <venkman> with white interior
[10:11] <venkman> ok
[10:11] <venkman> thnx
[10:11] <syn-ack> bodaciousb: thats because you need to have the recursive flag like bob2 said
[10:11] <gypsymauro> syn-ack: but did u install the italian version?:)
[10:11] <syn-ack> gypsymauro: No. I live in the US... I dont know a lick of the language. :)
[10:11] <bodaciousb> syn-ack: worked like a charm, thank you
[10:13] <venkman> how much do lamborghinis cost in italy?
[10:15] <blueyed> davegahan: You'd have to remove all the packages again, that you do not want/need (quite a lot then actually). It would probably better to "sudo apt-get install xfce4" then. It gets also installed as an alternative desktop environment.
[10:18] <Zerboxx> blueyed: I figured it out, not with that link you sent, but with a few others.  I had to make firefox recognize the irc protocol with 2 extra little lines
[10:19] <blueyed> Zerboxx, where?
[10:20] <Zerboxx> blueyed Where are the lines?
[10:21] <blueyed> yes, where did you add those lines?
[10:21] <davegahan> actually i better make a backup of my files and reinstall ubuntu
[10:21] <Zerboxx> blueyed: with Firefox up, type "about:config" in the address bar
[10:23] <blueyed> ok, Zerboxx. And than adding new network.protocol... line?
[10:23] <Zerboxx> blueyed right click and go to new --> boolean and put "network.protocol-handler.external.irc" then choose True
[10:23] <Zerboxx> then, you do the same but choose string, and put in "network.protocol-handler.app.irc" and then put in "xchat" (unless you use something else)
[10:24] <Zerboxx> I found the entry on one site, and the other on another, put'em together and tada
[10:24] <blueyed> fine :)
[10:24] <blueyed> Though the gnome-way would be global for all gnome apps.
[10:24] <Zerboxx> Another question to test your expertise blueyed :)
[10:25] <blueyed> like gnome-open would profit, too. - nada, just on Linux since Hoary.. :)
[10:25] <Zerboxx> I found the directions there confusing so I stuck with the firefox directions :)
[10:26] <Zerboxx> Can you make it (in gnome) so windows snap to edges?
[10:26] <hans_> im not hearing any sound when playing a game with wine
[10:26] <blueyed> Zerboxx: when moving? to screen borders and other windows? I thought I had it there (using kde actually).
[10:27] <Zerboxx> blueyed: I know KDE has it (I was running MDK a few hours ago) but I haven't found a setting in gnome to do that
[10:30] <blueyed> Zerboxx, I would google. No other idea - though there might be something in the settings menu (windows), where also autofocus (xhover) is.
[10:30] <Zerboxx> blueyed, thanks again, you've been a great help
[10:31] <forsaker8k6> 'moring guys! :D
[10:31] <Zerboxx> morning?! yeah I guess so...Hi!
[10:32] <hans_> i have a problem with the sound in wine...can anybody help?
[10:32] <forsaker8k6> mmm.. yep :P
[10:33] <Zerboxx> 4am here so still dark :)
[10:34] <spiral> hi
[10:34] <forsaker8k6> here 10 am and the sun shines :P
[10:34] <syn-ack> Zerboxx: where are you Nova Scota?
[10:34] <Zerboxx> syn-ack: Hamilton, Ontario
[10:34] <syn-ack> rather s/ //;
[10:35] <syn-ack> Thats still the same timezone as central, no?
[10:35] <Zerboxx> umm no, I'm est
[10:35] <syn-ack> ah
[10:36] <Zerboxx> ya, damn it's early, but I had to get ubuntu workin' nicely :D
[10:36] <syn-ack> Im running Breezy, so there is no "working Nicely." :)
[10:36] <forsaker8k6> asd
[10:36] <Zerboxx> Breezy?
[10:36] <forsaker8k6> unstable Ubuntu :P
[10:37] <Zerboxx> oooh fun
[10:37] <forsaker8k6> syn-ack: is it SO unstable?
[10:37] <syn-ack> Its not too bad, actually
[10:37] <Zerboxx> Question: Is there any way to have 2 programs which produce sound to do that at the same time?  I keep getting "whatever device is in use"
[10:37] <syn-ack> There is *some* breakage which I still have to go thru, fix and submit bugreports
[10:37] <Zerboxx> ...well 2 or more I guess
[10:38] <syn-ack> Zerboxx: Use ALSA not, OSS
[10:38] <forsaker8k6> syn-ack: i've got to try some day or later...
[10:38] <syn-ack> Change the plugin its using to ALSA
[10:38] <Zerboxx> syn-ack: I'm kinda new, so how do I go about doing that?
[10:38] <syn-ack> Zerboxx: What program is this?
[10:39] <Zerboxx> syn-ack: I have amaroK and I was just testing out...totem
[10:39] <syn-ack> ah... I dont use either... heh
[10:39] <Zerboxx> heh
[10:39] <forsaker8k6> neither do I :D
[10:39] <syn-ack> iirc, they both have gstreamer support though
[10:40] <syn-ack> Well, I *know* that totem does...
[10:40] <hal0> is this the help channel?
[10:40] <hal0> cause i need a lil help :-D
[10:40] <Zerboxx> when I look at Volume Control I'm using Intel82801DB-1CH4 (ALSA Mixer), so I am using Alsa...right?
[10:40] <syn-ack> yes
[10:41] <syn-ack> Zerboxx: The actual apps have to be using it too
[10:41] <syn-ack> Zerboxx: Take XMMS for example, out of the box, it uses OSS as the default output dev
[10:41] <Zerboxx> syn-ack: When I choolse alsa in amaroK I get this error: [GStreamer Error]  Alsa device "default" does not exist......:/
[10:42] <syn-ack> hrmmm
[10:42] <syn-ack> let me install amarok
[10:42] <Zerboxx> thanks a ton syn-ack
[10:43] <hal0> to launch java programs, ya gotta use the command line, right?  so how do you setup a command line shortcut to execute a terminal java command?
[10:43] <syn-ack> oh, wow
[10:44] <forsaker8k6> hal0, you can write a little bash script :P
[10:44] <hal0> yeah, cept i dont know the first thing about doing that :-x
[10:44] <syn-ack> Holy hell, I need to configure MySQL for this thing?
[10:44] <hans_> how do i see if my graphics device supports direct draw?
[10:44] <Zerboxx> nono I just used there generic thing
[10:45] <Zerboxx> :D
[10:45] <Zerboxx> Is there a command to see all packages under a name with apt-get?
[10:45] <forsaker8k6> hal0, it's nothing so hard you have to create a brand new text file
[10:45] <syn-ack> Zerboxx: apt-cache search
[10:45] <forsaker8k6> with nano or your preferred text editor
[10:47] <xoxoxo> hello. anybody pls tell me a tool in ubuntu that can remove CR/LF in text files? i want to convert Windows text file to linux.
[10:48] <topyli> hal0: start the file with a line like " #!/bin/sh " and it's a script
[10:48] <Zerboxx> syn-ack I'm not sure what packages of alsa I have installed and which I need, that might be the problem...
[10:48] <topyli> then add the commands you want, each on its own line
[10:49] <forsaker8k6> :D
[10:49] <syn-ack> Zerboxx: You dont need anything ALSA its already installed.
[10:49] <topyli> save to your ~/bin and make executable. voila!
[10:49] <shane__> Hey, I have a problem with having two NIC's.
[10:50] <syn-ack> Zerboxx: This is more of a grstreamer issue
[10:50] <shane__> it's really anoying, when I try to set one as the default it ignores me
[10:50] <shane__> And then it uses the nic for my home network as the default, causing the internet to not work
[10:50] <Zerboxx> syn-ack: Hmm, though gstreamer and oss work fine *grumble*
[10:50] <shane__> I keep choose, eh1 deault over and over again
[10:50] <shane__> totally ignores me
[10:50] <shane__> :p
[10:51] <forsaker8k6> guys, i gotta go. See you!
[10:51] <ice_1963> by
[10:52] <syn-ack> Zerboxx: Give a few, figuring out this thing
[10:52] <Zerboxx> syn-ack sure thing
[10:52] <ShaneAu> :(
[10:54] <topyli> ShaneAu: not sure but try 'route add default eth1'
[10:55] <topyli> ShaneAu: it will fix it or breake it completely :)
[10:55] <ShaneAu> :O lol
[10:55] <ShaneAu> Ill search the ubuntu forums briefly first, then I'll try that
[10:55] <ShaneAu> (if I don't find anything)
[10:56] <topyli> ShaneAu: or google, it's generic for all linuxen
[10:57] <syn-ack> Zerboxx: hrm... looking around in amaroK, i dont see anything... let me check some other things
[10:57] <Zerboxx> syn-ack: Ok, thanks
[10:58] <ShaneAu> At the moment I have eth1 disabled, otherwise it will default to it and then it attempts to use my homenetwork as the internet
[10:58] <syn-ack> Zerboxx: um.... I dont know...
[10:58] <syn-ack> let me open a console now and look into some ALSA settings
[10:59] <Zerboxx> syn-ack hrmm ok, thanks
[10:59] <topyli> ShaneAu: oh yeah, you'll have to use eth0 for the route command or whatever you want to be default
[10:59] <ShaneAu> yep
[10:59] <syn-ack> Zerboxx: do you have /dev/pcm?
[11:00] <Zerboxx> syn-ack: no
[11:00] <topyli> ShaneAu: or just switch the network cables :)
[11:00] <syn-ack> Zerboxx: heres a little test for that, and remember to turn your system down... cat /dev/urandom > /dev/mixer
[11:01] <syn-ack> To stop it, hit ^C
[11:01] <Zerboxx> cat: write error: Invalid argument
[11:01] <ShaneAu> topyli, I've tryed that, it adentually sets the default to my lan] 
[11:01] <ShaneAu> :S
[11:01] <ShaneAu> Eventually*
[11:01] <topyli> hrm
[11:01] <syn-ack> Gah, I havent had to mess with ALSA in a while.. forgive me
[11:01] <Zerboxx> syn-ack should I sudo the command?
[11:01] <Zerboxx> syn-ack: that's alright :)
[11:03] <syn-ack> AHA
[11:03] <Zerboxx> !
[11:03] <syn-ack> Zerboxx: ls /dev/snd/ and tell me if you see pcm...
[11:04] <Zerboxx> syn-ack: I see pcmC0D0c, pcmC0D0p, pcmC0D1c, pcm C0D2c, 3c and 4c
[11:04] <syn-ack> Ok, you have it then
[11:05] <syn-ack> and whats the error again?
[11:05] <Zerboxx> umm 1 second
[11:05] <Zerboxx> [GStreamer Error]  ALSA device "deafult" does not exist
[11:06] <syn-ack> oooooh
[11:06] <syn-ack> hrm
[11:06] <Zerboxx> hrm indeed
[11:07] <KaiL> Zerboxx: croll-upgrade from sarge?
[11:07] <KaiL> cross..
[11:07] <syn-ack> try this... with sudo... dpkg -l | grep gstreamer0.8-alsa
[11:07] <Zerboxx> KaiL: Umm I did a fresh install..if that's what your asking me
[11:07] <KaiL> ok
[11:07] <KaiL> I have the same fun here
[11:08] <Zerboxx> syn-ack: now what?
[11:08] <syn-ack> what does it say?
[11:08] <KaiL> gstreamer-alsa cries about devices not being there, which are there
[11:08] <Zerboxx> syn-ack nothing, back at prompt
[11:08] <syn-ack> ;)
[11:08] <johpe> hi there, I've just used synaptic to install the swedish language packs, then I've run "sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales" and selected the sv_SE.UTF-8 but when I log out and log in again through gdm selecting the newly installed swedish language ubuntu says: "Language sv_SE.UTF-8 does not exist, using System defaul" ... anyone got any suggestion to this problem!??
[11:08] <syn-ack> KaiL: lookie there, its not installed.
[11:09] <syn-ack> actually, there was a typo.... dpkg -l | grep gstreamer
[11:09] <syn-ack> try that
[11:10] <Zerboxx> ahh
[11:10] <johpe> I've gotten swedish in Firefox but that's it nowhere else in the system...
[11:10] <Zerboxx> syn-ack ok, got lots of stuff that time
[11:10] <syn-ack> Should be the first one, no?
[11:11] <Zerboxx> syn-ack: the first one in that list is the ALSA plugin for GStreamer, yes
[11:11] <syn-ack> hrm. WTF then
[11:12] <syn-ack> its installed.
[11:12] <syn-ack> All of it is.
[11:12] <Zerboxx> ;)
[11:12] <syn-ack> it does, like has been pointed out..
[11:13] <spiral> why isn't gimp 2.2.6 in breezy ?
[11:13] <syn-ack> Zerboxx: this is something to do with AmaroK, because it works FINE here....
[11:13] <spiral> and gnat-gps2 ?
[11:13] <syn-ack> spiral: it hasent been included yet?
[11:13] <Zerboxx> syn-ack Where else can I test out alsa, just to verify?
[11:13] <spiral> and firefox 1.0.3 ?
[11:14] <syn-ack> Zerboxx: pop open xmms
[11:14] <Zerboxx> syn-ack: I don't have it, should I download it?
[11:14] <syn-ack> use Music Player then
[11:15] <syn-ack> aka Rythmbox
[11:15] <Zerboxx> and it uses alsa by default?
[11:15] <syn-ack> yes
[11:15] <syn-ack> it uses gstreamer.
[11:15] <Zerboxx> *sigh* stupid amaroK
[11:16] <mjr> I think it uses esd by default in ubuntu, at least, but you can tune that with gstreamer-properties if you need to
[11:16] <mjr> (tune and check)
[11:16] <Amaranth> mjr: Rhythmbox uses gstreamer. :)
[11:16] <mjr> yes, and gstreamer uses esd
[11:16] <mjr> -> rhythmbox uses esd
[11:16] <Amaranth> Nope.
[11:16] <syn-ack> not if the ALSA plugin is installed.
[11:16] <Amaranth> Rhythmbox doesn't care where the sound goes or where it comes from.
[11:17] <Amaranth> It uses gstreamer. :P
[11:17] <mjr> *sigh*
[11:17] <Amaranth> I know, you're trying to play word games.
[11:17] <syn-ack> esd is barely used in Gnome now.
[11:17] <mjr> Amaranth, well, play your little terminology games if you
[11:17] <mjr> must
[11:17] <Amaranth> I'm an Apple fanboy, I can play with words all day. :D
[11:17] <Zerboxx> When I go to gstreamer-properties OSS was chosen, so I switched to ALSA, and tested and I get: "Failed to construct test pipeline for 'ALSA-Advance...'"
[11:17] <Amaranth> Like that 3Ghz in a year bit.
[11:18] <Zerboxx> same error with ESD if that matters
[11:18] <Amaranth> Same with OSS and arts?
[11:19] <Zerboxx> not with OSS and I don't see arts
[11:19] <syn-ack> Zerboxx: go to System => Prefs => Multimedia Systems Selector and see what that says...
[11:19] <Amaranth> I think it can use arts, anyway.
[11:19] <Amaranth> That's where he is...
[11:19] <Zerboxx> yup, that's where I am
[11:19] <Zerboxx> out of ALSA, ESD and OSS, only oss works
[11:19] <Amaranth> Ok, so gstreamer is totally fubar.
[11:19] <Amaranth> Can you see if xmms plays music?
[11:19] <syn-ack> no, ALSA is
[11:20] <Zerboxx> is it possible to unfubar it?
[11:20] <syn-ack> Seems that there is no ALSA driver... which isnt right.. what hardware are you running, Zerboxx?
[11:20] <Amaranth> syn-ack: Possibly, since OSS is a wrapper around ALSA now and ESD uses OSS.
[11:20] <syn-ack> Amaranth: right
[11:20] <Zerboxx> syn-ack: I'm running a laptop so little hard to tell, I forget the name sigmetel or something...
[11:21] <syn-ack> Thats an SB live then
[11:21] <syn-ack> I have the same card in my workstation
[11:21] <Zerboxx> syn-ack: I can find out, but it'll take some digging (haven't found an easy way in ubuntu yet)
[11:21] <syn-ack> Zerboxx: sudo lspci -vv
[11:21] <Amaranth> That's the emuwhatever10k driver. :P
[11:21] <Amaranth> I haven't used a Live! in awhile.
[11:22] <syn-ack> Amaranth: I want to make sure...
[11:22] <Zerboxx> geez, what is this syn-ack??
[11:22] <syn-ack> that is the hardware you have in your box
[11:22] <Amaranth> Yeah, lspci -vv is a little shocking.
[11:22] <Amaranth> lsusb -vv is worse :)
[11:22] <Zerboxx> I'm guessing this is it: Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4 -L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 02)
[11:23] <syn-ack> Zerboxx: now do you see something along these lines? 0000:00:13.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Live! EMU10k1 (rev 07)
[11:23] <Amaranth> Ok, not a Live! card then.
[11:23] <syn-ack> good good
[11:23] <syn-ack> its ac97 and I forget that module..
[11:23] <Amaranth> I think I have an ac97, hang on.
[11:23] <MyNameIsChris> Any sound Gurus here?
[11:23] <Zerboxx> hehe this is completely over my head now :s
[11:24] <syn-ack> Zerboxx: what does sudo lsmod say?
[11:24] <Amaranth> 0000:00:11.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 50)
[11:24] <Amaranth> I wonder if the driver is the same.
[11:24] <Zerboxx> syn-ack lots of stuff, what in particular?
[11:24] <syn-ack> Zerboxx: do this... lsmod | grep snd
[11:24] <Amaranth> Nope, my alsa modules are snd_via*
[11:25] <Amaranth> I mean, I have snd_ac97_codec but that's useless without the card specific driver.
[11:25] <syn-ack> right
[11:25] <Zerboxx> ok I have 9 things now
[11:25] <syn-ack> Zerboxx: pastbin.com it for me, please
[11:26] <MyNameIsChris> Sounds like I cam at the right time. Can anyone help me set up 5.1ch sound in Hoary on an Intel ICH5?
[11:26] <Zerboxx> syn-ack pardon?
[11:26] <Amaranth> Zerboxx: http://rafb.net/paste/
[11:26] <syn-ack> or that
[11:26] <syn-ack> Zerboxx: Copy and paste the output there
[11:27] <Zerboxx> what nickname do I put? desc? language?
[11:27] <Amaranth> Well, I know Evanescence is awesome but that's about it. :D
[11:27] <Amaranth> Zerboxx: You just need to put in a nick.
[11:27] <Amaranth> Doesn't matter what it is, you'll be pasted a URL for us.
[11:27] <Amaranth> s/pasted/pasting/
[11:27] <Zerboxx> ok, done
[11:27] <syn-ack> whats the url now?
[11:27] <Zerboxx> http://rafb.net/paste/results/SOQGYe37.html
[11:28] <syn-ack> Everything looks right..
[11:28] <Mace68> has anyone tried nero linux?
[11:29] <Zerboxx> is it possible that a config file is just looking for the wrong thing?
[11:29] <syn-ack> Zerboxx: I think I would have to side with Amaranth on this one,, gstreamer is toast...
[11:30] <Zerboxx> syn-ack: anyway to bring it back to life? re-install maybe?
[11:30] <syn-ack> Zerboxx: Hold that thought
[11:30] <Amaranth> sudo apt-get install --reinstall libgstreamer-0.8
[11:30] <Amaranth> try that
[11:30] <Amaranth> err
[11:30] <Amaranth> sudo apt-get install --reinstall libgstreamer-0.8-0
[11:31] <Zerboxx> couldn't find package
[11:33] <TFP> hi
[11:33] <Zerboxx> If need be, I could just reinstall ubuntu, and keep my /home drive the way it is (so I don't loose my songs), right?
[11:33] <syn-ack> Dont reinstall.
[11:33] <Zerboxx> :) ok
[11:33] <syn-ack> Im checking bugzilla
[11:34] <closure> Zerboxx, what's wrong with your ubuntu?
[11:34] <TFP> i have a problem with the mplayer-mozilla-plugin, i installed it succesfully and it also starts, but when i want to watch a quicktime stream the video doesn't start, could someone help me?
[11:34] <Zerboxx> closure: it apperas gstreamer isn't all that happy with me
[11:34] <syn-ack> Zerboxx: heres the issue, I think.... https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=4821
[11:35] <simba_> salut a tous
[11:36] <simba_> bonjour mon frere est pas la et je voudrais creer un utilisateur
[11:36] <simba_> vous pouvez m'aider
[11:36] <syn-ack> ...
[11:36] <qweqw> wine is disgusting, unless it's from california
[11:36] <simba_> car il est fort en linux mais il est as la
[11:37] <qweqw> i know my french..
[11:37] <syn-ack> simba_: this is an English channel. Do you know english?
[11:37] <closure> Zerboxx, what is gstreamer
[11:37] <qweqw> just kidding
[11:37] <TFP> someone please help me?
[11:37] <qweqw> i hardly know english half the time
[11:37] <qweqw> with?
[11:37] <TFP> i have a problem with the mplayer-mozilla-plugin, i installed it succesfully and it also starts, but when i want to watch a quicktime stream the video doesn't start, could someone help me?
[11:38] <qweqw> you need the quicktime codecs, i imagine
[11:38] <qweqw> does it play audio?
[11:38] <TFP> nop
[11:38] <TFP> i have the whole codec pack downloaded
[11:39] <qweqw> hmm
[11:39] <qweqw> are we talking an embedded video?
[11:40] <Zerboxx> syn-ack: It says it's resolved, but I don't really see a fix...
[11:40] <TFP> yes
[11:40] <TFP> its a quicktime trailer
[11:40] <qweqw> doesn't work for me either
[11:41] <TFP> hm, well back in the days on my old fedora it worked perfectly
[11:41] <Slask3n> Is it possible to munt a CD-image so ubuntu thinks it is a CD-ROM? Like Daemon Tools for Windows does..
[11:41] <syn-ack> Zerboxx: I dont know, all I can say is submit a bug report.
[11:41] <qweqw> yes, sladen
[11:42] <Zerboxx> syn-ack: What information should be included?
[11:42] <qweqw> i dunno, TFP . plugger has never worked for me
[11:42] <TFP> is there a way to configure the mplayer-plugin
[11:42] <syn-ack> Whats going on, output of lspci -vv (all of it) and lsmod (all of it)
[11:43] <qweqw> do they show up in about:plugins
[11:43] <syn-ack> Zerboxx: in as much detail possible.
[11:44] <TFP> yes
[11:44] <TFP> all of them
[11:44] <TFP> for every movie format
[11:44] <syn-ack> With that, Im going to bed
[11:44] <qweqw> oh?
[11:44] <qweqw> same thing with me
[11:45] <Raquen> i've a several problem
[11:45] <TFP> is there another way to play streaming movie within the browser?
[11:45] <Raquen> therar errors on the filesystem
[11:46] <Raquen> how to delete these?
[11:46] <qweqw> i don't think so, TFP
[11:46] <spiral> Raquen: fsck ?
[11:46] <TFP> F*CK
[11:46] <Raquen> si
[11:46] <Raquen> yes
[11:46] <qweqw> let me check freshmeat
[11:48] <hunger> I have kubuntu/breezy installed and now want to add ubuntu-desktop. apt-get says that package has unmet dependencies. What can I do about this?
[11:48] <Raquen> spiral: yes, how to do?
[11:49] <Zerboxx> Ok 2 more quetstions, is there apt-get uninstall?, and if I did something like this: ln -s .... what did that do, and can I backtrack it?
[11:50] <qweqw> apt-get  --purge remove packagename
[11:50] <spiral> Raquen: fsck /dev/hda1 (if device is hda1)
[11:50] <Raquen> secure?
[11:51] <spiral> Raquen: choose the good device, and be sure it's unmounted
[11:51] <qweqw> not a damn thing on freshmeat
[11:52] <qweqw> http://freshmeat.net/projects/dlembed/
[11:52] <qweqw> try that one
[11:53] <TFP> k
[11:53] <TFP> i will
[11:53] <TFP> thx anyway
[11:56] <Zerboxx> So I'm back...and the sound problem has changed :(
[11:56] <Zerboxx> Now ESD works, and OSS doesn't
[11:56] <Zerboxx> alsa still isn't working
[11:56] <closure> Zerboxx, do you not have any sound at all?
[11:57] <closure> or just from gstreamer?
[11:57] <Zerboxx> closure: I have sound, working with ESD, but I'l like ALSA
[11:57] <closure> strange
[11:58] <Zerboxx> very, I followed directions at ubuntuguide, and that made oss work, and nothing else, I undid those steps, and now esd works, and nothing else
[11:59] <drummer87> hi, can someone help me? I need the font 'Helvetica' which is in OOo, to use on a winXP box in InDesign.. but where is the font file located in ubuntu?
[12:01] <jono> hi all
[12:01] <jono> anyone compiled the VMWare modules on Ubuntu?
[12:01] <drummer87> i found some fonts in /usr/share/fonts or something, but couldn't find any others... help, anyone?
[12:03] <ubuask> how can i see information about users and groups on a machine in console mode?
[12:03] <ubuask> and also change a user from a group to another
[12:04] <Tomcat_> drummer87: There's a package for fonts, but I'm not sure you mean that.
[12:04] <Choubaka> jono: They compile just fine.
[12:04] <steved> ubuask: you want to see what groups are set on your machine or what groups your user is a member of ?
[12:05] <jono> Choubaka, not on my stock hoary kernel here
[12:05] <Choubaka> as long as you have linux-headers-`uname -r` installed
[12:05] <ubuask> steved right !
[12:05] <drummer87> Tomcat_: not quite i don't think.. the font is already there in OOo
[12:05] <Tomcat_> drummer87: So you're only trying to find the file to it?
[12:05] <jono> Choubaka, still doesnt work
[12:06] <drummer87> yep
[12:06] <steved> ubuask: to see what groups are set up on the machine look in /etc/group that will list them
[12:06] <Choubaka> then weird.
[12:06] <drummer87> so that i can use it on my winXP box
[12:06] <Tomcat_> drummer87: Search for "font" in synaptic, then go through the installed packages and see what files they installed... maybe you can find your font this way.
[12:06] <Choubaka> You must provide more info.
[12:06] <steved> ubuask: if you want to see what groups your user belongs to type groups
[12:06] <ubuask> steved thanks
[12:06] <drummer87> thanks, will try that
[12:06] <ubuask> steved k
[12:07] <ubuask> steved and to add a new group?
[12:07] <steved> ubuask: groupadd
[12:07] <ubuask> steved kewl thanks
[12:07] <steved> ubuask: best to have a quick read through man group / man groups / man groupadd
[12:12] <karl> anyone know how to install mplayer-586 on hoary as of today?
[12:14] <imPULSIV> hello everybody here
[12:14] <imPULSIV> its me again
[12:14] <imPULSIV> the problemchild from germany
[12:15] <karl> things like mplayer-586: Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21) but 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13 is to be installed
[12:15] <mpq> something's wrong with sound
[12:15] <karl> are happening to me when I try an install mplayer
[12:15] <mpq> when I open a flash file it doesn't play the sound
[12:16] <Choubaka> karl: you're installing Debian (not Ubuntu) packages :|
[12:16] <imPULSIV> yesterday i had the idea of installing gimpshop wich stands for a mod of the gimp 2.24 with an interface looking like photoshop
[12:16] <karl> choubaka, yeah, that's the marillat repos, I thought they were just meant to work?
[12:16] <imPULSIV> the idea was fine i had but ...
[12:16] <mpq> I need help
[12:16] <Choubaka> karl: they're not entirely ubuntu compatible.
[12:16] <karl> mpq: just digging up the link I think you need.
[12:17] <imPULSIV> after installing the software my whole system doesnt speak prppperly
[12:17] <mpq> what link?
[12:17] <mpq> there isn't always a problem
[12:17] <karl> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=149222#post149222
[12:17] <karl> that one :)
[12:17] <imPULSIV> meaning
[12:17] <karl> damnit, that' snot it.
[12:17] <imPULSIV> the language of choice for me as a german would be german but
[12:17] <drummer87> Tomcat_: thanks, i found it .. not quite what i expected (different file type), hope it'll work
[12:18] <karl> mpq: this one. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24509
[12:18] <karl> doing the ln worked great for me.
[12:18] <karl> choubaka: so any suggestions on how to install mplayer?
[12:18] <imPULSIV> the thing is after reeboot the systemmessages such as startmenue and so on are in english where
[12:19] <karl> if it was just equal versions, but different names, I'd force it.
[12:19] <imPULSIV> programms such as mozilla still speak german
[12:19] <mpq> will I have to do that every time I boot the computer?
[12:19] <karl> mpq: no. it's permanent
[12:19] <imPULSIV> how may i fix that?
[12:19] <Choubaka> karl: use this source instead: deb http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/backports hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[12:19] <Choubaka> afaik it has ubuntu-ised mplayer packages.
[12:19] <karl> choubaka: but it always wants higher versions of libfontconfig1 and libvorbis
[12:20] <Choubaka> hm
[12:20] <karl> yech, I thought the backports stuff was virtually guaranteed to break things.
[12:20] <Choubaka> karl: well, less than installing Debian Sarge/Sid packages from marillat :P
[12:20] <mpq> it didn't work
[12:20] <karl> well, sucks to be you then mpq :)
[12:20] <Choubaka> Get the source and compile a deb yourself? :)
[12:21] <karl> you were getting the pictures but no sound in flash right mpq?
[12:21] <mpq> yeah
[12:21] <karl> well, it worked for me :)
[12:21] <scizzo> imPULSIV: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/HoaryLanguages
[12:21] <Choubaka> just make sure you have all possible -dev files mplayer requires/recommends so you'll get support for all the codecs :P
[12:22] <imPULSIV> scizzo thx for the linkfeed
[12:23] <Super_Cat_Frog> hi - is it possible to replace hotplug (at boot time) with coldplug and just use hotplug for actual hotplugging like in gentoo?
[12:23] <mpq> I'm going to try rebooting
[12:26] <imPULSIV> im out
[12:26] <imPULSIV> thx for the help
[12:26] <karl> choubaka: any idea what package this would be?
[12:26] <karl> To compile MPlayer with X11 support, you need to have the XFree86 development
[12:26] <karl>   packages installed.
[12:26] <karl> apt-cache search x dev is unhelpful
[12:27] <Choubaka> xlibs-dev
[12:27] <snowblink> can anyone recommend an IRC server for a LAN?
[12:27] <Choubaka> iirc
[12:27] <Choubaka> snowblink: ircd :D
[12:27] <snowblink> Choubaka, thanks
[12:28] <Choubaka> snowblink: learn to use apt-cache search. :)
[12:28] <Chameleon22> is there a KDE app to creates notes something like chm look ... , i know there is just dont remember the name
[12:28] <snowblink> Choubaka, don't be patronizing. I asked for a recommendation
[12:28] <Riddell> Chameleon22: knotes?
[12:28] <Choubaka> snowblink: :P
[12:29] <Chameleon22> knotes is like small stuff
[12:29] <Chameleon22> i need it to write specifications
[12:30] <Choubaka> Chameleon22: hmm. Learn latex?
[12:31] <Chameleon22> ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
[12:31] <Chameleon22> Choubaka: dont swear !
[12:31] <Choubaka> no? :D
[12:31] <p0m> Haha. Learning latex.
[12:31] <Chameleon22> no
[12:31] <Choubaka> hey, latex is made for stuff like that.
[12:31] <Chameleon22> well if i had a little gui that was fast ....
[12:31] <p0m> So was postscript.
[12:32] <Choubaka> nowadays people just word and crap like that when they should be using latex.
[12:32] <Choubaka> +use
[12:32] <qweqw> fuck..
[12:32] <Chameleon22> Choubaka: so type in latex mate
[12:33] <qweqw> what are the differenes between the last development branch and the stable release of hoary hedgehog
[12:33] <Choubaka> latex is actually quite simple.
[12:33] <qweqw> i can't see to find  a changelog
[12:33] <Choubaka> qweqw: Hoary is stable :P
[12:33] <Choubaka> whereas breezy will break.
[12:33] <Amaranth> s/will break/is broken/
[12:33] <Choubaka> ok
[12:34] <Amaranth> For certain meanings of broke, anyway.
[12:34] <karl> you could use lyx if you want a front end to latex
[12:34] <slask3n> Why is my internet connection disappearing sometimes? When i surf around on internet my internetconnection suddenly wont connect to internet.. :s it just comes out of the blue without any signs or messages...
[12:34] <Choubaka> "will break worse than you can possibly imagine"
[12:34] <slask3n> is it a bug maybe?
[12:34] <zenwhen> i installed breezy and came home last night to it stealing money out of my stash. its broke alright.
[12:34] <Choubaka> karl: There's also a GTK app called Amyedit.
[12:34] <zenwhen> ;_;
[12:34] <hunger> I have kubuntu/breezy installed and now want to add ubuntu-desktop. apt-get says that package has unmet dependencies. What can I do about this?
[12:34] <Choubaka> I made debian packages for the earlier versions.
[12:34] <karl> or just do it in xml, and write your own xslt for whatever output you want
[12:34] <karl> xml the planet!
[12:35] <ubuask> steved so i did a cat /etc/group and apart from my username and root there a a lot of users like xfs and rpc , what are these and why?
[12:35] <qweqw> i'm talking about the very last development snapshot before hoary hedgehog
[12:35] <p0m> Xslt and xsl-fo is cute.
[12:35] <snowblink> qweqw, the RC?
[12:35] <hypno> Choubaka: feh, latex is 20 years old and designed with the limitations of past systems in mind. it's not inherently better
[12:35] <qweqw> yes
[12:35] <breadcrook> hypno: are you a guru?
[12:35] <Choubaka> hypno: latex isn't meant to do the same as word.
[12:35] <snowblink> qweqw, There were about 150-200MB of updates from the RC to stable
[12:35] <Choubaka> also, word is not meant to do what latex does.
[12:35] <Amaranth> hunger: THis is why you don't use breezy. :)
[12:36] <karl> but you can use each for the other
[12:36] <karl> and there's a shit heap of overlap.
[12:36] <Choubaka> but nowadays Amyedit it's using autotools and crap like that and I don't know how to debianise :(
[12:36] <Amaranth> hunger: The only way to make ubuntu-desktop install in breezy is to disable universe and leave it disabled.
[12:36] <hypno> Choubaka: what does latex do that a wordprocessor doesn't?
[12:36] <breadcrook> does any body here where to get and how to install sound drivers
[12:36] <steved> ubuask: they are used by system software don't need to worry about them
[12:36] <Choubaka> hypno: in latex, you just type the content.
[12:36] <hunger> Amaranth: Yeah, I know:-) But there are so few packages comming into hoary nowadays:-)
[12:36] <karl> *cough*bullshit*cough*
[12:36] <Choubaka> and the compiler takes care of formatting.
[12:37] <hypno> Choubaka: and a load of markup mixed in with your text
[12:37] <Amaranth> hunger: few == zero :)
[12:37] <Amaranth> karl: What is bullshit?
[12:37] <Choubaka> in word, you need to format things yourself.
[12:37] <karl> choubaka :)
[12:37] <breadcrook> does anybody have a clue about sound drivers?
[12:37] <hypno> Choubaka: overfull hbox!
[12:37] <ubuask> steved so do you know a good howto about users , groups and stuff like that? you know , to understand things a little better
[12:37] <qweqw> yes, breadcrook
[12:37] <Choubaka> and then the stuff may not be the same on another machine with the same version of word! .p
[12:37] <breadcrook> can you helpme out
[12:37] <hunger> Amaranth: There is the occassional security fix:-)
[12:37] <qweqw> linuxdoc.org
[12:37] <qweqw> i could try
[12:38] <breadcrook> for ubuntu of course
[12:38] <qweqw> yeah
[12:38] <davix> in the smb.conf, how do I make a share which the files charset/codepage will be cp1255? i've tried charset = cp1255, and codepage = cp1255, it dosent work, any ideas?
[12:38] <Choubaka> hypno: latex markup is simple.
[12:38] <qweqw> did you check the volume, etc
[12:38] <breadcrook> is it packaged some where or do you know a command to run?
[12:38] <breadcrook> yah
[12:38] <qweqw> setmixer is what i use
[12:38] <breadcrook> alrady checked volume
[12:38] <qweqw> on the software mixer
[12:38] <qweqw> ?
[12:39] <hypno> Choubaka: \begin{tabular}[t] {|c|l|c|}!
[12:39] <steved> ubuask: for system admin guides and howto's have a look at www.tldp.org
[12:39] <breadcrook> just using what comes with ubuntu
[12:39] <CarlK> anyone have a VoIP app recomendation - like Skpe, but not skype
[12:39] <qweqw> you got setmixer breadcrook
[12:40] <breadcrook> if i do I don' t know about it
[12:40] <breadcrook> i didn't install it
[12:40] <p0m> CarlK: As in a SIP server, or client?
[12:40] <qweqw> then you most likely don't have it..
[12:40] <qweqw> ok, well, what;s the name of your card
[12:40] <breadcrook> i have sound juicer
[12:40] <CarlK> p0m - client i think
[12:40] <Choubaka> hypno: well, at least you can be sure the table doesn't fuck up when you open it in another program :P
[12:40] <qweqw> sound juicer?
[12:40] <breadcrook> could you tell me where to get it from
[12:40] <Choubaka> unlike word.
[12:40] <p0m> CarlK: Well Asterisk is a server, I'll find a list for you.
[12:40] <steved> ubuask: The Linux System Administrators' Guide would be a good place to start
[12:40] <CarlK> p0m - something that can make cheap land line calls
[12:40] <breadcrook> it is in Ubuntu already
[12:41] <CarlK> a list would be great
[12:41] <p0m> Ahh.
[12:41] <p0m> I'm not sure about the land line calls, but I know of a couple of Voip clients.
[12:41] <qweqw> i wouldn't even know where to start
[12:41] <p0m> You'd have to sign up for a provider for the land line calls.
[12:41] <mjr> CarlK, gnomemeeting is nicely available in Ubuntu, but doesn't support SIP yet, only H323
[12:41] <breadcrook> really
[12:41] <CarlK> http://sipphone.com/minutes/
[12:41] <p0m> CarlK: http://www.voip-info.org/wiki-Linux
[12:41] <CarlK> looks like for $10 I can get a wad of minuts
[12:42] <p0m> Linphone works well. I've played around with it on my Ipaq 3970, and they're not very powerful :)
[12:42] <qweqw> i'll search for asound juicer
[12:43] <ubuask> steved thanks
[12:43] <qweqw> i don't see anything like that, breadcrook
[12:43] <TFP> which ftp server should i install?
[12:43] <qweqw> does your computer have a brand name?
[12:44] <qweqw> model number?
[12:44] <qweqw> openssh's ftp
[12:44] <qweqw> is good and easy
[12:44] <qweqw> openbsd, that is
[12:44] <p0m> Heh.
[12:44] <CarlK> p0m - thanks - this site is what I was looking for
[12:44] <TFP> openssh has an ftp server?
[12:44] <p0m> Openbsd's ssh server is slow compared to the ones I've used in the past :)
[12:44] <qweqw> openbsd writes a server
[12:44] <p0m> CarlK: No problems.
[12:44] <qweqw> did you run it on openbsd?
[12:45] <p0m> qweqw: No, on my Ubuntu box.
[12:45] <p0m> I suppose that's the problem with using the OpenBSD one on Ubuntu, not as fast as it is on OpenBSD.
[12:45] <qweqw> openbsd is in general slower than most other open-source projects,
[12:46] <qweqw> there's a lot of security built into their applications
[12:46] <p0m> Eh, I'm just spoilt by daemons that respond almost immediately.
[12:46] <p0m> I'm used to the OpenSSH server.
[12:46] <qweqw> yeah, i use it every day
[12:46] <TFP> so which one do you recommend now?
[12:47] <qweqw> openbsd's ftpd
[12:47] <qweqw> modified generic ftpd
[12:47] <p0m> TFP: Go with the OpenBSD one, I'm not sure how well my other choice runs with ubuntu.
[12:47] <TFP> how is it called?
[12:48] <p0m> qweqw: You wouldn't happen to know of a vnc server that actually reads a "vncrc" style file from ~/.vnc instead of /etc/X11/Xsession would you?
[12:48] <p0m> I'm trying to run a lighter gui over VNC than my gnome desktop.
[12:48] <p0m> TFP: Just look under synaptic for "FTP"
[12:49] <p0m> There should be one where hte description mentions that it is the OpenBSD one.
[12:49] <qweqw> not that i know of
[12:49] <p0m> Darn.
[12:49] <p0m> The tightvnc rpm I used on FC3 did that, however none of the VNC debs support it.
[12:50] <p0m> I'll try to figure it out anyhow.
[12:50] <qweqw> on mine, i just make that file in /etc/X11 include one in my home directory.
[12:50] <p0m> Maybe write a howto.
[12:50] <qweqw> it's very simple..
[12:50] <p0m> I normally run openbox + chameleon + perlpanel. Makes for a lighter display over VNC.
[12:51] <qweqw> i took too much X last night, so i'm really really slow
[12:51] <TFP> i can't find it
[12:51] <qweqw> oftpd
[12:51] <qweqw> ?
[12:52] <qweqw> alright then
[12:52] <karl> hmm ok, so I've built my own mplayer, but I don't get any sound
[12:53] <qweqw> ok..
[12:53] <qweqw> p0m, all you have to do is make sure the file in your home directory is executable
[12:54] <qweqw> if not, chmod +x file
[12:54] <p0m> Hmm.
[12:54] <qweqw> put exec /path/to/file in Xsession
[12:54] <qweqw> near where it initializes variables
[12:55] <p0m> So I just copy the /etc/X11/Xsession file to home, modify it to run the other programs?
[12:55] <qweqw> yeah
[12:55] <qweqw> you can delete the contents of X11, but leave a backup
[12:55] <p0m> Would be nice if /etx/X11/Xsession actually contained some exec listings :)
[12:55] <karl> what did I misconfigure for mplayer to have disabled the alsa and esd output audio drivers?
[12:55] <p0m> But I'll figure it out.
[12:55] <qweqw> er.. Xsession
[12:56] <karl> it only included oss, and I think that's why I don't have any sound.
[12:56] <HrdwrBoB> karl: mplayer -ao esd
[12:56] <HrdwrBoB> karl: mplayer -ao alsa
[12:56] <Laubzega> hi. where should I get mplayer for ubuntu?
[12:56] <HrdwrBoB> those will give you the other outputs
[12:56] <qweqw> it might.. VNC is kind of hard to get working on linux
[12:56] <HrdwrBoB> there is also a default set in /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf
[12:56] <HrdwrBoB> qweqw: you mean apt-get install vlc doesn't work? :)
[12:56] <karl> well, this was a tthe configure stage, it didn't include them.
[12:56] <qweqw> it works
[12:56] <p0m> VNC works fine now, it's just a matter of tweaking what runs for me.
[12:57] <qweqw> well, by following my advice you would get nothing..
[12:57] <karl> so no, -ao esd or alsa don't give me any sound :)
[12:57] <qweqw> what does it matter if it's in /etc/X11 or not?
[12:57] <qweqw> just curious
[12:57] <CarlK> why vnc and not X over ssh?
[12:57] <p0m> I don't think so.
[12:57] <karl> vnc is a lot more portable
[12:58] <karl> you don't need to have an x server locally
[12:58] <qweqw> yes you do
[12:58] <CarlK> lol
[12:58] <p0m> vnc.conf seems to support changing the particular file to read for exec.
[12:58] <CarlK> that makes some sense
[12:58] <karl> I mean locally, where you're trying to get to the session from.
[12:58] <p0m> I'll tinker with that and let you know what I get.
[12:58] <CarlK> that = karl's comments
[12:58] <karl> of course you need an xserver at one point.
[12:58] <qweqw> good luck..
[12:58] <karl> but with x over ssh, yo uneed x at both ends.
[12:59] <karl> with vnc you can have whatever you like at each end.
[12:59] <CarlK> you don't need X for win side ;)
[12:59] <Ed_Gein> urgent help needed
[12:59] <p0m> karl: And if the other machine is using windows, you'll need an ssh client and an X server.
[12:59] <p0m> And X servers are few and far between for Windows :)
[12:59] <karl> p0m: I know, that's why I was saying vnc is more portable :)
[12:59] <karl> you may have meant for that to be aimed at someone else :)
[12:59] <p0m> I'm just supporting your argument :)
[12:59] <qweqw> i couldn't find a single decent Xfree86 implementation for windows
[01:00] <CarlK> I got x.org on cygwin working, but I was more thingking for Linux on both sides
[01:00] <nopea> looking for some advice on a good PHP editor - any suggestions?
[01:00] <karl> carlk: x over ssh is a lot more secure,
[01:00] <karl> but I'd still go for vnc anyday.
[01:00] <HrdwrBoB> vnc is portable
[01:00] <HrdwrBoB> but slow
[01:00] <p0m> qweqw: WinAXE is allright. It's free, but you can only do 30 minute long sessions before you have to restart the x server.
[01:00] <HrdwrBoB> incredibly so
[01:00] <karl> I see too many people asking "how do I do this again? -L blah:port -X -g hatehatehhate!"
[01:01] <Ed_Gein> I just woke up to and there are 2 widgets open(?) I says couldn't grab your mouse. A malicious client may be eavesdropping on your session. The 2nd is changing user enter your password to run /usr/binfirestarter. Any help?
[01:01] <karl> vnc doesn't have to be slow.
[01:01] <qweqw> i might check that out..
[01:01] <karl> I used to use a vnc session as my primary work environement every day at work.
[01:01] <karl> plenty fast enough.
[01:01] <karl> fvwm2, and the machine was only a building or two away
[01:01] <CarlK> assuming Linux on both sides, 500k (dsl, slow cable) connection - how is the performace of vnc compare to X over ssh?
[01:01] <qweqw> there's is a barely noticeable lag on my VNC
[01:01] <qweqw> tightvnc.
[01:01] <qweqw> the original vnc is slow as hell
[01:03] <Ed_Gein> I just woke up to and there are 2 widgets open(?) the first says couldn't grab your mouse. A malicious client may be eavesdropping on your session. The 2nd is changing user enter your password to run /usr/bin/firestarter. Any help?
[01:03] <qweqw> uhh..
[01:03] <p0m> Ed_Gein: The second one sounds like you've tried to run Firestarter, which is a front end for your firewall (iptables)
[01:03] <karl> so anyone know how to tell mplayer to enable esd/alsa at the ./configure stage?
[01:03] <qweqw> what are you using, Ed_Gein ?
[01:04] <Ed_Gein> ubuntu firestarter was running when I went to slpeep
[01:04] <CarlK> karl - you aren't karl D in FL, are you?
[01:04] <karl> no, karlp in .is
[01:05] <karl> sif you'd live in fl
[01:05] <topyli> karl: try ./configure --help
[01:05] <CarlK> sif?
[01:05] <p0m> CarlK: sif = "As If"
[01:05] <CarlK> fl is a nice place to visit, but too hot, stcky and bugs
[01:06] <CarlK> lol
[01:06] <CarlK> exacty
[01:06] <p0m> I prefer AU over fl.
[01:06] <karl> topyli: there's only --disable-alsa and --disable-esd.
[01:06] <TFP> how do i get webmin to work? i get an error "Error - Access denied for 192.168.0.130"
[01:06] <karl> fla wasn't even a nice place to visit in my opinion.
[01:06] <TFP> i just installed it
[01:06] <karl> .au is great too.
[01:06] <CarlK> I 'think' if there is --disable-X, there will be --enable-X
[01:07] <p0m> .au is horrible in the summer. And it is horrible here right now, lots of rain and storms.
[01:07] <CarlK> p0m - at least the world dosn't laugh at you ;)
[01:07] <maltje> where are the channels?
[01:08] <p0m> Actually, they do, but eh.
[01:08] <karl> pom: where in .au are you?
[01:08] <karl> no rain at all in qld.
[01:08] <CarlK> karl - #mplayer is a good place
[01:08] <maltje> how can I chance?
[01:08] <p0m> karl: You're kidding me, right? North brisbane's been getting blasted with rain today.
[01:08] <Ed_Gein> any help?
[01:08] <topyli> karl: so, the defaults should be to enable them. i take it they aren't enabled though?
[01:09] <nopea> is there an SSH client in Ubuntu?
[01:09] <karl> today maybe,
[01:09] <CarlK> karl - to see what you got: mplayer -ao help
[01:09] <karl> but not all of summer
[01:09] <CarlK> nopea - ssh
[01:09] <p0m> Ed_Gein: From what I can tell, there shouldn't be anything to worry about. The second one sounds familiar, and the first error sounds like your keyboard/mouse popped out.
[01:09] <karl> topyli: no, --enable-alsa/esd has now enabled esd, and I'm rebuilding, but it says no alsa.
[01:09] <maltje> anyone uses bittornado?
[01:10] <maltje> I installed it using synaptic,but I can't find it
[01:11] <p0m> maltje: Try "Run Command" and then typing it in there.
[01:11] <Ed_Gein> p0m: even with the changing user thing? There's only one user account on this system.
[01:11] <p0m> Ed_Gein: Firestarter usually has to be run as Root, to be able to interface with iptables, so I'm guessing it was sudo'ing to root.
[01:12] <Ed_Gein> why would it restart on its own?
[01:12] <maltje> won't work
[01:12] <p0m> Ed_Gein: Just to be sure, check your users config, to see if there are any other users.
[01:12] <maltje> have to tell that I'm a newbie
[01:12] <p0m> Ed_Gein: Not sure, there are sometimes random errors that occur.
[01:12] <p0m> Anyhow, I've got to head off now.
[01:12] <maltje> when I do "where is" bittornado I only get the word "bittornado" back
[01:13] <p0m> Good luck Ed_Gein
[01:13] <topyli> karl: hm. perhaps if you use esd it will use alsa for mplayer too? i don't know
[01:13] <p0m> maltje: Try find / -name bittorn*
[01:13] <p0m> It should list everywhere it finds a match.
[01:13] <Ed_Gein> P0m /etc/where do I find users
[01:13] <karl> topyli: I'll let you know when it finishes building again :)
[01:14] <p0m> Ed_Gein: /etc/passwd
[01:14] <maltje> bittorent does not exist
[01:14] <karl> hmm, I think I must have been missing alsadev and esddev
[01:14] <maltje> starnge
[01:14] <karl> esd.h not found.
[01:14] <maltje> strange
[01:14] <p0m> Ed_Gein: Either that, or the built in user config tools work fine.
[01:14] <p0m> Anyhow, zzzzz.
[01:15] <Ed_Gein> not sure what I should be looking for in here
[01:16] <karl> yep, libasound2-dev and libesd0-dev and now it detects alsa and esd
[01:17] <slask3n> What can it be that makes my internetocnnection unavailable.. it just wont connect suddenly, but the network and everything looks fine... i can be surfing and suddenly it cant "talk" with the internet.. :s I have lost the connection 4 times today already, 3 times the last 2 hours... :s
[01:17] <liable> maltje: try 'dpkg -L bittornado'
[01:19] <topyli> karl: happy mplaying :)
[01:20] <karl> how can I find out the complete name of a package>
[01:20] <karl> dpkg -l shows the truncated name
[01:20] <karl> and I cant' work out what the full name is to remove it with
[01:20] <liable> karl: dpkg -l columns=200 or some such
[01:20] <slask3n> Please answer! Its urgent i dont know when i loose connection again...   What can it be that makes my internetocnnection unavailable.. it just wont connect suddenly, but the network and everything looks fine... i can be surfing and suddenly it cant "talk" with the internet.. :s I have lost the connection 4 times today already, 3 times the last 2 hours... :s
[01:21] <mpq> I did that thing that's supposed to fix the sound in flash
[01:21] <maltje> that gives a lot of things on the screen
[01:21] <mpq> it sort of worked but now the sound lags
[01:21] <mpq> it plays after it's supposed to
[01:21] <maltje> /usr/......
[01:22] <nopea> ok somebody has got to know a good PHP editor :)
[01:22] <Ed_Gein> in etc/passwd I have the following entry is this normal? 'nobody:x:65534:65534:nobody:/nonexistent:/bin/bash"
[01:22] <liable> maltje: normally /usr/sbin or /usr/bin
[01:23] <maltje> /usr/bin/btcompletedir.bittornado
[01:23] <maltje> /usr/bin/btcopyannounce
[01:23] <maltje> /usr/bin/btdownloadcurses.bittornado
[01:23] <maltje> /usr/bin/btdownloadheadless.bittornado
[01:23] <maltje> /usr/bin/btlaunchmany.bittornado
[01:23] <maltje> /usr/bin/btlaunchmanycurses.bittornado
[01:23] <maltje> /usr/bin/btmakemetafile.bittornado
[01:23] <maltje> /usr/bin/btreannounce.bittornado
[01:23] <maltje> /usr/bin/btrename.bittornado
[01:23] <maltje> /usr/bin/btsethttpseeds
[01:23] <maltje> /usr/bin/btshowmetainfo.bittornado
[01:23] <maltje> /usr/bin/bttrack.bittornado
[01:23] <karl> liable: you have to actually resize your term, or export the columns I think, there's no option to pass in :)
[01:23] <maltje> thats some lines
[01:23] <topyli> aargh! stop it
[01:24] <topyli> Ed_Gein: yes
[01:24] <karl> ahh, sound
[01:24] <karl> no of course, I wish I hadn't built alsa as well.
[01:24] <karl> because it's defaulting to alsa, which doesn't work :)
[01:25] <karl> but -ao esd does.
[01:25] <mpq> what is esd?
[01:25] <qweqw> sound daemon
[01:25] <mjr> it's a sound daemon that serves the low-level sound device to multiple clients
[01:25] <mjr> optionally over the network
[01:26] <qweqw> it does that, yeah
[01:26] <mpq> flash still isn't working right
[01:26] <topyli> mpq: the question is: WHY is esd :)
[01:26] <mpq> there's sound now but it's late
[01:27] <karl> well, all that to watch what turns out to be a fairly boring .wmv
[01:27] <qweqw> ahh..
[01:27] <topyli> heh
[01:27] <qweqw> i get it now.
[01:28] <qweqw> the xchat colors are horrible
[01:28] <mpq> I like xchat colors
[01:28] <liable> maltje: have you installed bitornado-gui
[01:28] <keikoz> qweqw that's sure
[01:29] <keikoz> maybee some themes on the net
[01:30] <qweqw> yeah..
[01:30] <qweqw> might go back to irssi
[01:31] <davegahan> I crashed while booting into GNOME, my whole system froze, could only enter GNOME after choosing "fail-safe" from the session manager
[01:31] <davegahan> what do I do now
[01:31] <goldfish> irssi !
[01:31] <maltje> no ,only tornado
[01:31] <davegahan> fail-safe disables all startup scripts
[01:32] <davegahan> anyone that can advise ?
[01:32] <maltje> bbittornado-gui wasn't in synaptic
[01:32] <liable> maltje: should be
[01:32] <maltje> yes indeed
[01:33] <maltje> my mistake
[01:33] <maltje> it is also installed
[01:33] <karl> is there a mplayer firefox plugin?
[01:33] <karl> so I can watch wmv on pages, instead of having to download htem to watch them?
[01:33] <liable> maltje: you dont have a menu tab for it? what are you trying to do anyway?
[01:34] <maltje> strange,everything else works fine
[01:34] <mpq> flash is still screwed up
[01:34] <maltje> when I go into the "startmenu" i go to "internet"
[01:34] <qweqw> adobe better come out with a 64 bit version of flash
[01:35] <maltje> every program like limewire and azureus are there
[01:35] <maltje> but NO bittornado
[01:35] <liable> maltje: try updating your menu
[01:35] <maltje> Have I got to start ubuntu again?
[01:35] <mjr> hmm, now that flash has switched owners, might be a time to plug freeing the flash viewer to the new owner
[01:36] <maltje> killall gname.....?????
[01:36] <maltje> I did that
[01:36] <maltje> gnome....
[01:36] <qweqw> maltje, you should never have to restart it unless you are making changes to the kernel..
[01:36] <karl> (or the kernel goes boom! like mine)
[01:36] <slask3n> Please answer! Its urgent i dont know when i loose connection again...   What can it be that makes my internetocnnection unavailable.. it just wont connect suddenly, but the network and everything looks fine... i can be surfing and suddenly it cant "talk" with the internet.. :s I have lost the connection 4 times today already, 3 times the last 2 hours... :s
[01:36] <qweqw> or in the event of a kernel panic
[01:36] <liable> maltje: isnt there a menu updating thing in gnome?
[01:36] <qweqw> ;0
[01:36] <karl> auto text sucks slask
[01:37] <karl> and it's probably not a linux problem
[01:37] <qweqw> maltje,
[01:37] <maltje> don't know
[01:37] <qweqw> er..
[01:37] <slask3n> karl, auto text?
[01:37] <maltje> yes qweqw
[01:37] <davegahan> anyone here with a good knowledge of GNOME - my system crashes while botting into GNOME
[01:38] <qweqw> i had a solution for you
[01:38] <qweqw> but then i forgot it
[01:38] <maltje> oeps
[01:38] <karl> that was the exact same message you posted 15 minutes ago
[01:38] <qweqw> oh yeah
[01:38] <qweqw> open a terminal window
[01:38] <davegahan> failsafe session gets me into GNOME, where do i find the startup scripts ?
[01:38] <maltje> y
[01:38] <slask3n> karl, and yes it is! my other computer works fine, but this ones disconnects... :s i need to reboot and then its working fine again...
[01:38] <qweqw> type at the prompt: whereis bttornada
[01:38] <qweqw> o
[01:38] <qweqw> at the end, instead of a
[01:38] <maltje> done that
[01:38] <qweqw> oh yeah?
[01:39] <qweqw> before just now?
[01:39] <maltje> it gives
[01:39] <maltje> bittornado:
[01:39] <scizzo> davegahan: look for errors in .xsession-errors or something
[01:39] <maltje> thats all
[01:39] <qweqw> type in bttornado instead
[01:40] <maltje> btornado:
[01:40] <topyli> davegahan: you could creating another user and see if gnome works for it. if so, then it's your settings that's to blame
[01:40] <qweqw> two ts
[01:40] <qweqw> bttornado
[01:40] <maltje> bttornado:
[01:40] <maltje> sorry
[01:40] <qweqw> sudo updatedb
[01:40] <maltje> yes
[01:40] <qweqw> you done that yet?
[01:40] <slask3n> karl, do you know what it can be, or are you just complaining becouse people use the channel for what its made for?
[01:40] <maltje> yep
[01:40] <qweqw> damn.
[01:40] <liable> maltje: 'ls /usr/bin | grep bit*'
[01:40] <maltje> not the update
[01:40] <maltje> i try it
[01:40] <maltje> one moment
[01:40] <qweqw> ok
[01:41] <karl> i don't know what your problem is, it's unlikely that anyone else will from the information you've given, and I also object to you using the exact same text again.
[01:41] <goldfish> hi guys, any time i try to run cd player, and rhythmbox is asks me to run gst-register, and when i run that i get command not found :/
[01:41] <maltje> hes updating now
[01:41] <qweqw> it might take awhile if you've got a lot of files
[01:41] <maltje> takes a time
[01:41] <qweqw> i'm about to go get some pepsi
[01:41] <topyli> naah, it's ok to repeat a question once in a while to see if experts have gathered around. but of course the question must be sane
[01:42] <qweqw> locate bt, locate bitt, locate tornado
[01:42] <qweqw> try those to start out with
[01:42] <maltje> ok its done
[01:42] <topyli> like, has anybody gotten p3nfs to work properly? i've been asking that for months :)
[01:42] <karl> but are you going to ask again in 15minutes?
[01:43] <davegahan> topyli, where do I find my startup scripts - settings ?
[01:43] <maltje> he found a lot of bittornado files
[01:43] <maltje> @liable just type that in the console???
[01:43] <liable> maltje:yes
[01:44] <qweqw> what are the paths
[01:44] <yfir> karl, chill out
[01:44] <maltje> btcompletedir.bittornado
[01:44] <maltje> btcompletedir.bittorrent
[01:44] <maltje> btcompletedirgui.bittornado
[01:44] <maltje> btdownloadcurses.bittornado
[01:44] <maltje> btdownloadcurses.bittorrent
[01:44] <maltje> btdownloadgui.bittornado
[01:44] <maltje> btdownloadheadless.bittornado
[01:44] <maltje> btdownloadheadless.bittorrent
[01:44] <maltje> btlaunchmany.bittornado
[01:45] <qweqw> there it is
[01:45] <maltje> btlaunchmany.bittorrent
[01:45] <maltje> btlaunchmanycurses.bittornado
[01:45] <maltje> btlaunchmanycurses.bittorrent
[01:45] <maltje> btmakemetafile.bittornado
[01:45] <maltje> btmakemetafile.bittorrent
[01:45] <maltje> btreannounce.bittornado
[01:45] <maltje> btreannounce.bittorrent
[01:45] <maltje> btrename.bittornado
[01:45] <maltje> btrename.bittorrent
[01:45] <maltje> btshowmetainfo.bittornado
[01:45] <Burgundavia> maltje, ahh, please don't flood
[01:45] <maltje> btshowmetainfo.bittorrent
[01:45] <maltje> bttrack.bittornado
[01:45] <maltje> bttrack.bittorrent
[01:45] <topyli> davegahan: what's failing is probably gnome-session. i'm not sure where its settings live. does gnome work for a virgin user?
[01:45] <slask3n> karl, i need answer, so i probably will ask again.. the fact that i use the same text 2 times i undestand, but i dont wanted to write it all again.. but i do rewrite it, and i dont use any autotext either...
[01:45] <maltje> fribidi
[01:45] <goldfish> oh my god.
[01:45] <maltje> gnome-accessibility-keyboard-properties
[01:45] <maltje> gnome-keybinding-properties
[01:45] <maltje> xpdf.bin
[01:45] <topyli> maltje: please
[01:45] <maltje> that's what I get
[01:45] <maltje> /usr/share and /usr/bin
[01:45] <maltje> sorry topyli
[01:45] <topyli> karl: i'll ask next week or so :)
[01:45] <davegahan> GNOME works fail-safe, thats without any startup script running
[01:45] <maltje> won't happen again
[01:45] <qweqw> whereis btdownloadcurses.bittornado
[01:45] <yfir> maltje: can you do that in #flood next time
[01:45] <karl> btdownloadgui.bittornado try that one
[01:46] <qweqw> you've got them installed, at least
[01:46] <qweqw> whereis btdownload.bittornado
[01:46] <maltje> yfir that I do not understand
[01:46] <topyli> maltje: just a hint: use #flood. it's made for flooding :)
[01:46] <qweqw> whereis btdownloadgui.bittornado
[01:46] <bezibaerchen> how do i change default encoding from utf-8 to iso-8859-15?
[01:46] <amichai> can someone tell me if kubuntu is just ubuntu with kde or if its a total different setup, because it seems to work differently than ubuntu
[01:46] <karl> bezi: you don't want to! make your friends use utf8 as well!
[01:46] <qweqw> type that, maltje.. remember the path, in case you want to put a launcher on your desktop
[01:47] <yfir> maltje: it's a channel for making posts like yours
[01:47] <bezibaerchen> karl: i WANT to ;-)
[01:47] <snader> bezibaerchen: dpkg-reconfigure locales
[01:47] <bezibaerchen> snader: thx
[01:47] <karl> well, I'm not helping then :) (and I don't really know how to)
[01:47] <topyli> karl: utf-8 will save the children of the world, but for now much of the internet still don't use it
[01:47] <maltje> /usr/bin/.....
[01:47] <maltje> there are the files
[01:48] <maltje> shit I have to go to work in 5 min.
[01:48] <karl> topyli: yes yes I know, but if we all say, not now, it will never happen
[01:48] <qweqw> btdownloadgui.bittornado
[01:48] <qweqw> is the file you want
[01:48] <topyli> karl: exactly
[01:48] <qweqw> work!
[01:48] <qweqw> work sucks
[01:48] <maltje> I know
[01:48] <qweqw> i have go in an hour
[01:48] <maltje> but I need the money
[01:48] <topyli> karl: it's a big problem on finnish channels and elsewhere where people actually use non-ascii characters
[01:48] <maltje> what have I got to do with the file??
[01:49] <qweqw> i suppose you could create a launcher somewhere on your desktop
[01:49] <karl> topyli: I use non english characters every day, I'm aware of this :)
[01:49] <qweqw> for easy clicking
[01:49] <qweqw> then
[01:49] <bezibaerchen> i prefer utf8, but the majority doesnt use it, and i dont like boxes instead of german "Umlauten"
[01:49] <karl> it's a problem in irc, and things that don't have encoding support,
[01:49] <bezibaerchen> ;-)
[01:49] <topyli> karl: oh yeah, i should pay attention to your nick :)
[01:49] <karl> I have xchat set to use latin1 where I need it.
[01:49] <liable> maltje: just type 'usr/bin/btdownloadgui.bittornado'    what happens
[01:49] <karl> but use utf8 for things by default
[01:49] <qweqw> try to download a .torrent file from your web-browser.. associate btdownloadgui.bittornado with files that end in torrent
[01:49] <topyli> karl: same here
[01:49] <karl> so far chat has been the only place I need it.
[01:50] <slask3n> karl: do you know what information i need to specify then? i was running GAIM, and Firefox with 3 tabs.. and was surfing around when the computer couldnt connect to the server... i just get timeout on everything i do.. it comes right out of the blue...just like somebodsy disconnected the cable but the cable isnt touched... and ubuntu seems to be the exactly same as before, the network connections are working and all, it just cant "talk" w
[01:50] <slask3n> ith the internet... any ideas?
[01:50] <qweqw> other than that, maltje .. nothing more to say
[01:50] <maltje> OKIDOKI I think its working
[01:50] <maltje> I got something on my screen now
[01:50] <topyli> karl: even on irc, i actually need latin1 only on ircnet, where most of the finnish channels are
[01:50] <qweqw> just remember the path to the bittorent gui..
[01:50] <maltje> this evening I gonna test it
[01:51] <qweqw>  /usr/bin , in this case
[01:51] <Diablo-D3> hey guys
[01:51] <maltje> but it looks like azureus is it the same??
[01:51] <karl> yeah, freenode is all happy and utf isn't it?
[01:51] <fragspaz> where can i get some apt-get repositories
[01:51] <liable> maltje: ok, follow qweqw advice and associate .torrents with that in your browser
[01:51] <karl> or at least osme channels are.
[01:51] <fragspaz> for enlightenment?
[01:51] <topyli> i guess
[01:51] <Diablo-D3> does ubuntu use grub by default?
[01:51] <yfir> maltje: you don't need to run a gui for bittornado. just click on a .torrent in your browser and btdownload should take over
[01:51] <maltje> but I also got azureus
[01:51] <fragspaz> where can i get some apt-get repositories for enlightenment?
[01:52] <maltje> so the 2 progs are gonna open not??
[01:52] <fragspaz> any one know?
[01:52] <qweqw> they aren't in universe?
[01:53] <karl> they are for me.
[01:53] <yfir> fragspaz: enable universe/multiverse
[01:53] <maltje> thnx for everything
[01:53] <maltje> gottogo
[01:54] <qweqw> see ya
[01:54] <maltje> until this evening
[01:54] <bezibaerchen> hmm
[01:54] <bezibaerchen> still got utf-8 as default in my terminal :-/
[01:54] <bezibaerchen> any hints?
[01:55] <com64> hi
[01:55] <fragspaz> yfir: what doe that mean?
[01:55] <goldfish> Anyone here ever use workbone?
[01:55] <com64> could anyone help me on some matter at ubuntu ?
[01:55] <looksaus> hi all, I have a problem with OOo on an up-to-date hoary system
[01:55] <DanglyBits> i have an extra computer that i want to use as development only...how do i upgrade to breezy badger from Hoary?
[01:56] <looksaus> everywhare I type, no problem entering the "" character, except from OpenOffice.org
[01:56] <Diablo-D3> change your sources.list
[01:56] <goldfish> com64: ask away im sure someone can help
[01:56] <pointwood> what is the best CD ripper program=
[01:56] <pointwood> * ?
[01:56] <Diablo-D3> DanglyBits: change your sources.list
[01:56] <Diablo-D3> DanglyBits: from hoary to breezy
[01:56] <DanglyBits> change source.list to what?
[01:56] <looksaus> I can paste an "" into openoffice though
[01:57] <DanglyBits> just use the words breezy everwhere hoary is?
[01:57] <Diablo-D3> yup
[01:57] <looksaus> DanglyBits, change the references to hoary into breezy, yes
[01:57] <fragspaz> where is 'universe/multiverse''
[01:57] <karl> hmm, I type  my special chars into oowriter the same way I type them into terminals or anywhere else.
[01:57] <com64> have adsl modem connecting internet with ethernet card davicom 9102/a but its not working with dhclient not getting modem page from browser :(
[01:57] <Diablo-D3> DanglyBits: and then apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:57] <karl> sorry looksaus :(
[01:57] <syn-ack> Are you sure you want to go to Breezy?
[01:57] <Diablo-D3> DanglyBits: btw, breezy is known to be unstable atm
[01:57] <Diablo-D3> DanglyBits: more than it should be, I mean
[01:57] <syn-ack> I wouldnt suggest it unless you know what you're doing
[01:57] <looksaus> DanglyBits, it's still a little rough around the edges, yes
[01:57] <megamind> what is alternate command for ipconfig in ubuntoo ?
[01:58] <Diablo-D3> megamind: what is ubuntoo?
[01:58] <yfir> fragspaz: please read this: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[01:58] <syn-ack> ifconfig
[01:58] <megamind> linux
[01:58] <looksaus> if you don't know how to update the sources list, this will probably do more bad than good
[01:58] <Diablo-D3> megamind: linux is just a kernel.
[01:58] <megamind> thanks
[01:58] <com64> tryed all thing but not getting ip adress of modem
[01:58] <fragspaz> thanks yfir
[01:58] <com64> thats why cant configure my username and etc. from modem page
[01:58] <goldfish> Please link /dev/cdrom to your CDROM device before running workbone.
[01:58] <goldfish> how would i do that?
[01:59] <Diablo-D3> goldfish: its probably already done for you
[01:59] <goldfish> oh right
[01:59] <goldfish> thanks
[01:59] <DanglyBits> should i just add all of the breezy lines lin osurce.list or convert the hoary ones there to breezy?
[01:59] <yfir> fragspaz: after you've done that and enabled the universe and multiverse repositories, update your package lists with synaptic or apt, and you'll be able to find the enlightenment packages
[01:59] <Diablo-D3> goldfish: ls -al /dev/cdrom should point at your first cdrom drive
[01:59] <yfir> *apt-get, sorry
[01:59] <DanglyBits> should i just add all of the breezy lines in source.list or convert the hoary ones there to breezy?
[01:59] <goldfish> No such file or directory.
[02:00] <looksaus> so, anyone about my problem with "" in OOo? or a pointer to where I should start looking?
[02:00] <fragspaz> yfir, thanks
[02:00] <syn-ack> DanglyBits: DONT DO IT UNLESS YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING!
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[02:00] <Diablo-D3> yeah, listen to syn-ack
[02:00] <syn-ack> DanglyBits: Im still tracking bugs in Breezy down
[02:00] <CarlK> DanglyBits, no.
[02:01] <slask3n> karl: not for nagging, but can you please help me? or any ideas of what can do this?
[02:01] <karl> umm, no?
[02:01] <Diablo-D3> syn-ack: heh, I'm still trying to figure out how to file bugs for universe packages
[02:01] <yfir> DanglyBits: unless you are a tester, wait a few months. but if you want to test breezy and don't mind a possibly unstable system, knock yourself out
[02:01] <karl> I don't know, and there's 502 other peopl here
[02:02] <Diablo-D3> 507 other people, karl
[02:02] <karl> I was showing 505 total at the time :)
[02:02] <goldfish> Diablo-D3: ls: /dev/cdrom: No such file or directory
[02:02] <goldfish> any ideas? :/
[02:02] <yfir> goldfish: try hdc
[02:02] <syn-ack> Diablo-D3: Heh, Ive going some things here like libaspell that Im tracking... broke a few things like Pan and Bluefish so far
[02:03] <Diablo-D3> goldfish: what device is your cdrom? /dev/hdc?
[02:03] <goldfish> brw-rw----  1 root cdrom 22, 0 2005-04-27 02:59 /dev/hdc
[02:03] <goldfish> YEP
[02:03] <goldfish> woops.
[02:03] <goldfish> Aye, hdc.
[02:03] <Diablo-D3> sudo ln -s /dev/hdc/ /dev/cdrom/
[02:03] <Diablo-D3> err
[02:03] <Diablo-D3> sudo ln -s /dev/hdc /dev/cdrom
[02:03] <goldfish> cool, thanks
[02:04] <com64> have davicom ethnernet card connecting internet through adsl modem pikatel quarlet ... but when i try dhclient eth0 it should get the modem configure page ip adresses at least... but its not working thats why not getting the modem configure page and not getting any ip adresses ... i tryed to give it manually with ifconfig ... but its does not worked also ... could some one tell me what i should  to do on that matter
[02:04] <syn-ack> Also, I wish the upstream devs would fix the sk98lin module already
[02:05] <synd> how do i set ndiswrapper to load upon boot?
[02:05] <Quazion> whats the multiseat during install of ubuntu ? i just got a multiseat error
[02:05] <megamind> where can i find wvdial.conf
[02:06] <megamind> can some one plz guide me that where can i find wvdial.conf
[02:06] <Mwnci> I have just swapped from debian to ubuntu but during setup it never requested a root password. it did ask for a normal user. is there a default password for root I have to change or have I missed the screen?
[02:07] <Burgundavia> Mwnci, Ubuntu uses sudo by default for everthing
[02:07] <Diablo-D3> syn-ack: so, how the hell do I file bugs for universe packages?
[02:07] <syn-ack> Mwnci: Thats because Ubuntu doesnt use root by defualt
[02:07] <Burgundavia> Mwnci, see www.ubuntu.com/wiki/RootSudo
[02:07] <Diablo-D3> ubuntu doesnt even have root by default, does it/
[02:07] <Burgundavia> Diablo-D3, you need malone --> https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/distros/ubuntu/+bugs
[02:08] <syn-ack> Diablo-D3: it does... automagically scrambled
[02:08] <yfir> megamind: probably /etc/wvdial.conf unless it hasn't been created yet
[02:08] <qweqw> sudo bash
[02:08] <Burgundavia> there is no root password, which makes it off
[02:08] <qweqw> for a root shell
[02:08] <yfir> sudo -s
[02:08] <com64> any1 here is experienced adsl modems on ubuntu ever ?
[02:08] <laue> i have cpu frequency scaling running on an athlon k7, but now i want to change the governor automatically at boot
[02:08] <laue> anyone know how?
[02:09] <qweqw> the governor?
[02:09] <laue> qweqw: yes, the governor: ondemand, performance, powersave or userspace
[02:09] <syn-ack> Wow, I didnt even know about lauchpad.
[02:09] <Diablo-D3> syn-ack: ooh
[02:09] <Diablo-D3> yes, wtf is launchpad
[02:09] <Diablo-D3> bugzilla apparently points there now
[02:09] <Mwnci> thanks  ill use sudo then :)
[02:09] <megamind> nops can not find wvmdial.conf in /etc/ ! ?
[02:09] <jsgotangco> Diablo-D3, launchpad is the future man
[02:10] <Diablo-D3> btw, for the record, my machine is a debian machine upgraded to ubuntu
[02:10] <bezibaerchen> asking again: anyone any ideas regarding my locale-problem?
[02:10] <yfir> bezibaerchen: what is your locale problem?
[02:11] <bezibaerchen> yfir: did a dpkg-reconfigure locale-gen and deselected any utf-8 stuff. but if i open a console, default is still utf-8 and i need to switch to iso manually
[02:12] <synd> how do i set ndiswrapper to load upon boot?
[02:12] <Diablo-D3> bezibaerchen: you should always be using utf8 anyhow
[02:12] <bezibaerchen> Diablo-D3: no flaming now, i want iso ;-)
[02:12] <Diablo-D3> unicode is the future!
[02:13] <bezibaerchen> future perhaps, but not presence, and thats the problem
[02:13] <Diablo-D3> I dunno, I've been doing the unicode dance for years now
[02:14] <bezibaerchen> yfir: ideas?
[02:14] <Diablo-D3> and it doesnt seem to have borken anything yet
[02:14] <yfir> bezibaerchen: not sure. you could try the package 'localconf'
[02:14] <bezibaerchen> Diablo-D3: i am chatting via screen and irssi on a remote host. if i use utf-8, german umlauts etc are recked. so i NEED iso
[02:14] <yfir> bezibaerchen: but if dpkg-recongifure locales doesn't work, i'm not certain localconf would either. worth a try perhaps
[02:14] <maswan> Diablo-D3: Yes, but you are not likely to depend on interacting in a language requiring iso.
[02:14] <Diablo-D3> maswan: nope ;)
[02:15] <qweqw> wtf, i've never heard of any computer device that is called a governor
[02:15] <Diablo-D3> anyhow, how the hell do I use launchpad?
[02:15] <mjr> bezibaerchen, screen can convert a single window's charset
[02:15] <com64> could not get help but thank ... good luck all
[02:15] <mjr> ^A:utf8 off turns utf-8 off for a window
[02:15] <bezibaerchen> mjr: the problem is the console, not screen ;-)
[02:15] <syn-ack> Diablo-D3: just check it out.. its like anyother bugzilla
[02:15] <mjr> bezibaerchen, nah, you're just solving the problem from the wrong place :
[02:16] <yfir> so, how does one configure gtk themes without gnome?
[02:16] <Diablo-D3> well, mainly, how do I file a bug on a package that doesnt exist yet?
[02:16] <Diablo-D3> yfir: install just gnome-control-center
[02:16] <yfir> Diablo-D3: ok... was trying to avoid that, but if it's the only way...
[02:16] <bezibaerchen> yfir: unknown command utf-8
[02:16] <bezibaerchen> mjr: i mean ;-)
[02:16] <Diablo-D3> yfir: well, theres other methods, but due to braindamage in both gtk and gnome, it doesnt work well
[02:17] <Diablo-D3> for the record, I hate gnome.
[02:17] <yfir> Diablo-D3: thanks. i guess all i needed to know was whether there is another (simple) way besides gnome-control-center.
[02:17] <yfir> I'm trying to remove all the gnomes...
[02:17] <Diablo-D3> I actually wish kcontrol had a gtk/gnome theme setting app
[02:17] <mjr> bezibaerchen, without the dash
[02:18] <Diablo-D3> it'd solve so many problems
[02:18] <glassor> hey guys, iv'e got sound in general, but  when try to play an mp3 with xmms/bmp the player freezes... any idea whats wrong ?
[02:18] <XandriX> mako, u there ???
[02:18] <synd> glassor: set the I/O prefs
[02:19] <yfir> glassor: make sure that xmms is configured to use esd rather than alsa/oss
[02:19] <pointwood> anyone knows if it is possible to get Grib to add meta tags to FLAC encoded files?
[02:19] <synd> glassor: use eSound output in the I/O prefs
[02:19] <bezibaerchen> mjr: no changes
[02:20] <yfir> glassor: i think xmms prefs refer to it as esound, but if not then esd
[02:20] <syn-ack> WTF are you people saying to use OSS? xmms has the direct ALSA plugin
[02:20] <synd> i said to use esound
[02:20] <syn-ack> esd is evil
[02:20] <yfir> syn-ack: but if glassor's system uses esd (like default ubuntu does) then xmms won't work with alsa
[02:20] <Diablo-D3> esd _is_ evil
[02:20] <synd> true
[02:20] <karl> maybe it is, but that's how ubuntu is set up by default
[02:20] <syn-ack> yfir: Mine does.
[02:20] <mjr> bezibaerchen, well, it might be that your screen is not in a unicode mode to start with (-U does the trick, as does the right locale)
[02:20] <Diablo-D3> I'd like to mention that... well... everything sucks
[02:21] <pointwood> nm
[02:21] <Diablo-D3> gnome sucks for being dependant on esd
[02:21] <yfir> syn-ack: you've disabled esd probably (?)
[02:21] <mjr> bezibaerchen, but as a quick fix you can do :utf8 off on (the latter on is for the session)
[02:21] <Diablo-D3> kde sucks for being dependant on esound
[02:21] <syn-ack> ubuntu uses gstreamer by default.
[02:21] <synd> how do i have DMA set to ON for my cdrw drive upon boot
[02:21] <Diablo-D3> err
[02:21] <Diablo-D3> I mean
[02:21] <syn-ack> KDE uses aRts
[02:21] <Diablo-D3> artsd
[02:21] <yfir> syn-ack: gstreamer is not equivalent to esd
[02:21] <icebalm> Diablo-D3: urmom sucks for being dependant on crack
[02:21] <qweqw> the only way to install ubuntu is "server"
[02:21] <bezibaerchen> mjr: also tried that, but it doesnt help
[02:21] <qweqw> then work your way from there
[02:22] <Diablo-D3> and alsa sucks for not having any multiplexer built in by default
[02:22] <qweqw> all those unnecessary packages are.. unnecessary
[02:22] <Diablo-D3> and linux 2.6 sucks for still having oss in the kernel source and allowing people to compile it and use it
[02:22] <synd> how do i have DMA set to ON for my cdrw drive upon boot
[02:22] <syn-ack> yfir: Yeah, its only the overlaying API that hooks into alsa
[02:22] <qweqw> it's deprecated, Diablo-D3
[02:22] <Diablo-D3> qweqw: yes, Linus keeps saying that
[02:22] <Diablo-D3> yet people keep using it
[02:23] <syn-ack> Diablo-D3: No it doesnt... OSS is only emulated in 2.6
[02:23] <Diablo-D3> syn-ack: look again, you can build oss drivers in 2.6.
[02:23] <icebalm> syn-ack: no, it's available
[02:23] <yfir> syn-ack: esd is an audio server
[02:23] <qweqw> OSS will be taken out when all other programs have been updated, presumably
[02:23] <syn-ack> true...
[02:23] <Diablo-D3> there are no oss programs left, qweqw
[02:23] <syn-ack> Diablo-D3: xmms. :)
[02:24] <Diablo-D3> xmms can use alsa
[02:24] <qweqw> there are
[02:24] <Diablo-D3> qweqw: nothing that doesnt work with alsa' oss emu
[02:24] <syn-ack> hell its still built on GTk 1.2
[02:24] <Diablo-D3> see, I dont mind oss emu
[02:24] <dcraven> synd: in /etc/hdparm.conf, make a section like this: /dev/hdc { dma = on }
[02:24] <qweqw> yeah, but you are the one complaining ;)
[02:24] <Diablo-D3> its just actually having oss in the kernel
[02:24] <Diablo-D3> which is evil
[02:24] <Diablo-D3> and wrong
[02:24] <synd> dcraven: thanks
[02:24] <qweqw> why?
[02:24] <dcraven> synd: assuming the drive you want to adjust is hdc.
[02:25] <synd> dcraven: that it is
[02:25] <syn-ack> Diablo-D3: My mac wont work without OSS
[02:25] <dcraven> synd: there are plenty of examples in that file.
[02:25] <Diablo-D3> sucks to be your mac.
[02:25] <qweqw> everything doesn't have to be 100% free, according to our ideals
[02:25] <syn-ack> Well, it might now... Havent upgraded the kernel in a while
[02:25] <Diablo-D3> no, but everything should be 100% unsuck
[02:26] <yfir> i beginning to get the impression that few here know what they are talking about...
[02:27] <qweqw> lol
[02:27] <qweqw> i'm a little confused as well
[02:27] <hans_> is there a chance that ubuntu can read compressed ntfs partitions
[02:27] <jsgotangco> yfir, why is that you're free to correct them anyway
[02:27] <qweqw> where did all these lusers come from?
[02:27] <yfir> jsgotangco: yes, i'm also free to fuck off
[02:28] <syn-ack> Diablo-D3: Then you can call ATI and tell them to open the spec so that we can have a non suck driver for my video card.
[02:28] <Diablo-D3> syn-ack: heh, dri is working on r300/400 drivers
[02:28] <dcraven> easy now boys
[02:28] <Diablo-D3> syn-ack: quake3 already... somewhat works on them
[02:28] <syn-ack> that will do HW acceratoion
[02:28] <syn-ack> acelleration, that is
[02:29] <syn-ack> bah.
[02:29] <paknaald> I have a problem. I just installed ubuntu, but the resolution is wrong so my screens stay blank. I then switched to a text-interface (ctrl alt f1), but then how do i edit the resolution Ubuntu starts in?
[02:29] <synd> dcraven: do you know what all i should have enabled in hdparm for my cdrw drive to work normally?
[02:30] <megamind> how do i configure dialup on ubuntoo ?
[02:30] <synd> megamind: System -> Admin -> Networking
[02:30] <kary> oi
[02:31] <kary> oi
[02:31] <hans_> nk
[02:33] <kary> oi
[02:33] <megamind> synd: system - > admin -> network ???? i didnt got ya is this the folder sequence ?
[02:33] <kary> hi
[02:33] <synd> megamind: yes
[02:34] <synd> megamind: menu sequence rather
[02:36] <megamind> i can see sys folder on root only which do not cotain admin !
[02:36] <megamind> ! i m realy confused about dialer in linux adn can not find solution
[02:36] <megamind> plz guide me
[02:36] <dcraven> synd: No I don't unfortunatley, but I must say the question is a little vague.
[02:36] <Chameleon22> trying to compile tuxcards and getting this error: src/gui/cactusbar/cactus.h:27: error: forward declaration of `class Cactus', any ideas how to solve it?
[02:37] <dcraven> megamind: in the GNOME menus. System-->Admin-->Networking
[02:37] <synd> brb
[02:38] <megamind> i m using ubuntoo and i m also in gnome mode i can see applicationa dn computer menus only :(
[02:39] <dcraven> Chameleon22: sounds like a code error.. Is that a new release?
[02:39] <Chameleon22> dcraven: no
[02:40] <dcraven> Chameleon22: I'd try to install the deb that is available on thier website. Did you try that?
[02:40] <thundrcleeze> how do I mount my second hard drive?  the steps on ubuntuguide work for the first one, but not the second.
[02:42] <megamind> is their a visual utiltiy for dialer configurations ??? plzzz
[02:42] <thundrcleeze> Anyone?  O
[02:42] <Blue-Omega> i'm not able to mount lg GCE-8525B drive during installtion of Ubuntu 4.10
[02:43] <thundrcleeze> I'm trying to be patient, but I'm kind of in a hurry.
[02:43] <Delgul> Can I install a 64 bit amd kernel on a 32 bit ubuntu install and stay out of trouble? I have a amd 64 of course. Will it actually improve the kernel performance?
[02:43] <Cowlike> first hard drive partitiion has 'a', second one is 'b' and so on
[02:44] <Cowlike> sorry... mean 1, 2, 3
[02:44] <Cowlike> hda1, first partition, first disk      hdb1 first on second disk
[02:44] <qweqw> i wouldn't do that, Delgul
[02:44] <dcraven> megamind: are you running Warty by chance?
[02:44] <qweqw> ubuntu doesn't like you fucking with it's kernel.
[02:44] <hans_> is there a chance that ubuntu can read compressed ntfs partitions
[02:45] <qweqw> you'd probably get away with it, becase amd emulates 32 bits nicely
[02:45] <petemc> hans_: what did you use to compress them?
[02:46] <thundrcleeze> I've tried replacing hda1 with hdb1 but it says there's no such command.
[02:46] <Blue-Omega> anybody?
[02:46] <hans_> petemc: windows ntfs partition compressed
[02:46] <Delgul> qweqw: Hmm... so if I want to run a 64 bit kernel on my 64 bit processor, this is only useful/safe if I also use 64 bit libs and apps? Just the kernel is not possible?
[02:46] <Cowlike> are you modifying your fstab to add the new disk?
[02:46] <NicP> heman my dvd drive is fucked under linux
[02:46] <NicP> err -he
[02:46] <Cowlike> you need a directory existing as the mount point
[02:47] <qweqw> not exactly, Delgul
[02:47] <NicP> how the hell did that he get there
[02:47] <dcraven> what's with the expletives this morning?
[02:47] <qweqw> you COULD concievably do that, but it would take a whole lot of searching for the answer
[02:47] <Tirno> Hi, this has little to do with ubuntu.... I seem to be having trouble connecting to certain websites. How should I go about finding the culprit?=
[02:47] <qweqw> solution
[02:48] <qweqw> anyway, the only benefit of having a 64 bit system is that they can sometimes be faster. oh, and more ram.. so much that you'll never need it unless you want to store all your files in ram
[02:49] <Delgul> qweqw: Too bad I cant use my hw fully, I tried the amd64 hoary, but it was a bit shaky... Well I just will have to wait until Ubuntu amd64 has matured a little I guess
[02:49] <qweqw> the benefit of a 32 bit system is: more programs available, smaller size of binaries(faster loading), better gaming performance
[02:49] <Cain> hi
[02:50] <qweqw> Delgul, they do a pretty good job on the amd64
[02:50] <synd> when i try to burn an audio CD in GnomeBaker.. it takes a long time for it to "convert mp3 to CD audio" is there any way to speed this up?
[02:50] <Cain> i like to run unbuntu on a old laptop (celeron 466, 64 RAM) is it possible?
[02:50] <qweqw> sure, Cain
[02:50] <qweqw> install it as a server, though
[02:50] <synd> Cain: yes
[02:51] <Choubaka> But don't run Gnome.
[02:51] <Cain> -.-
[02:51] <qweqw> gnome desktop will be horrible on that
[02:51] <Cain> i need colour things :D
[02:51] <Choubaka> So will KDE
[02:51] <qweqw> start out with bare bones, apt-get the packages you want
[02:51] <Cain> and pictures
[02:51] <qweqw> yep, get fluxbox or ion3 instead
[02:51] <Choubaka> Cain: you might try XFCE4 then.
[02:51] <synd> xfce
[02:51] <synd> or fluxbox
[02:51] <synd> Cain
[02:51] <smouche> xfce would run on that?  good deal
[02:52] <Delgul> qweqw: I am not complaining. I solved a lot of the problems by using a 32 bit chroot. But especially the alsa sound problems were bad. But then again, I had a problem with dpkg crashing during the first time install, so it might be that my base system was not fully working....
[02:52] <qweqw> xfce4 is a log bigger than fluxbox
[02:52] <synd> when i try to burn an audio CD in GnomeBaker.. it takes a long time for it to "convert mp3 to CD audio" is there any way to speed this up?
[02:52] <dcraven> xfce might be a touch heavy for a 486.
[02:52] <alex> yey
[02:52] <smouche> what about IceWm?
[02:52] <Choubaka> dcraven: it's not a 486 :p
[02:52] <dcraven> hahaha.. I misread.
[02:53] <Cain> btw its a sony pcg-f400
[02:53] <Choubaka> the RAM is the limiting factor.
[02:53] <synd> Cain: you ought to boost the ram to at least 128
[02:53] <Cain> perhaps i will get another ram stick
[02:53] <synd> i have GNOME running great on a P3 600Mhz w/ 128MB
[02:54] <Cain> p3 != Celeron
[02:54] <dcraven> xfce would be fine on that machine, especially with a little more ram.
[02:54] <dcraven> Celerons are crap. That's what I have and its performance is terrible.
[02:54] <megamind> please suggest me how do i configure dial up in ubuntu... either visual utility or weblink to study
[02:54] <dcraven> Complete garbage. Waste of money.
[02:55] <Cain> -.- i cannot choose
[02:55] <syn-ack> Athlons are the only way to go. :)
[02:55] <dcraven> Cain: Me either ;)
[02:55] <synd> i have a celeron 1.7Ghz
[02:55] <synd> it gets the job done, esp with 512MB ram
[02:55] <Cain> but how to install xfce? i gues it issn't on the cd
[02:55] <syn-ack> Ratherm AMD in general
[02:55] <dcraven> synd: this is a 2.8GHz and my Athlon 1GHz runs circles around it.
[02:56] <syn-ack> that a Tbird 1000?
[02:56] <Cain> and i don't have an netzwork port
[02:56] <dcraven> syn-ack: yeah
[02:56] <synd> well, there are other factors other than just MHz speed
[02:56] <dcraven> synd: I know.. This machine has more RAM too.
[02:56] <syn-ack> dcraven: I had a Tbird 900 and I loved it. This is an XP 2000+ here
[02:57] <dcraven> Never again.
[02:57] <drcoded> hi all
[02:57] <synd> my G4 1Ghz iBook runs circles around my 1.8Ghz P4
[02:57] <drcoded> I seccessfly install new ubuntu workstation
[02:57] <syn-ack> dcraven: How much RAM you have in that beast?
[02:57] <drcoded> Now I plan to use somthing lite then gnome
[02:57] <dcraven> I notice it while (obviously) doing CPU intensive tasks like compiling.. It's a discrace.
[02:57] <drcoded> any recommand?
[02:58] <dcraven> syn-ack: 512 in the T-bird.
[02:58] <syn-ack> nice... had 384 in mine.
[02:58] <drcoded> any one can recommand me some lite then gnome
[02:58] <drcoded> I have p300 only
[02:58] <synd> drcoded: xfce4
[02:58] <drcoded> thanx
[02:58] <syn-ack> Fluxbox
[02:58] <synd> drcoded: fluxbox
[02:58] <drcoded> It will load automticly
[02:58] <drcoded> after I will install it?
[02:59] <drcoded> or I can replace the gnome boot with xfce?
[02:59] <syn-ack> You can configure it to do so, yes
[02:59] <synd> you select it in Sessions from your login screen
[02:59] <synd> then you make it Default
[02:59] <drcoded> k
[02:59] <drcoded> thanx
[02:59] <SlackShrike> i have a computer with a DVD+RW , CD-RW/DVD and 2 HD in RAID0 and the ubuntu-live don't boot. What i do ? Thanks!
[02:59] <dcraven> drcoded: if you use gdm to login (default), you can choose it from the Sessions button near where you type your login name.
[02:59] <drcoded> so in my login screen I can change to load xfce?
[02:59] <Delgul> qweqw: So what do I use best for my amd64 processor? A K7 kernel?
[03:00] <dcraven> drcoded: yeah
[03:00] <drcoded> thanx
[03:00] <drcoded> i WILL check it out
[03:00] <drcoded> thanx
[03:00] <syn-ack> Delgul: K8
[03:00] <dcraven> drcoded: have fun
[03:00] <drcoded> my 3 giga disk have on;y 1.5 giga left
[03:00] <drcoded> thanx
[03:01] <Delgul> syn-ack: Heh I dont want the 64 bit thingy with my 32 bit install. I was told that this will not work (or be problematic)
[03:01] <synd> hah.
[03:01] <syn-ack> ah, then go with the k7 kernel
[03:01] <Delgul> thx
[03:01] <occy> hmm
[03:01] <occy> anyone here using UG sources.list ?
[03:01] <synd> are there better cd burning progs other than gnomebaker?
[03:01] <occy> W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net stable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907
[03:01] <syn-ack> k3b
[03:01] <occy> getting that.
[03:02] <linuxboy> syn-ack: is k3b in main ?
[03:02] <Delgul> occy
[03:02] <SlackShrike> i have a computer with a DVD+RW , CD-RW/DVD and 2 HD in RAID0 and the ubuntu-live don't boot. What i do ? Thanks!
[03:02] <occy> Delgul:
[03:02] <Delgul> occy: That is ok
[03:02] <syn-ack> linuxboy: yes
[03:02] <occy> :D
[03:02] <occy> Delgul: how can I get rid of the error msgs?
[03:02] <dcraven> megamind: did this help you with the dialup? --> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DialupModemHowto
[03:02] <why-oh-why> What's the best way to iron trousers?
[03:02] <Delgul> check http://www.ubuntuguide.org/ for that
[03:03] <why-oh-why> TELL ME!
[03:03] <Cowlike> I prefer to iron trousers with my 3GHZ pentium laptop
[03:03] <Delgul> I just give them to my mom :-)
[03:03] <why-oh-why> come on!!  i need tips!
[03:03] <Xappe> why-oh-why: dpkg-reconfigure -iron trousers
[03:04] <synd> are there better cd burning progs other than gnomebaker?
[03:04] <why-oh-why> nero
[03:05] <Cowlike> k3b is a very nice program, sync
[03:05] <dcraven> synd: graveman maybe? I dunno.
[03:05] <synd> Cowlike: k3b in apt-get?
[03:05] <synd> why-oh-why: nero? eh?
[03:05] <syn-ack> synd: YES
[03:05] <syn-ack> I said that already.
[03:06] <synd> syn-ack: musta missed that
[03:06] <SlackShrike> i have a computer with a DVD+RW , CD-RW/DVD and 2 HD in RAID0 and the ubuntu-live don't boot. What i do ? Thanks!
[03:06] <dcraven> k3b is pretty heavy in the dependancy department, but if you don't mind that.
[03:06] <dcraven> Unless you use KDE stuff already I mean.
[03:07] <syn-ack> SlackShrike: Wow, that helps alot.
[03:07] <synd> see i dont use kde at all..
[03:07] <dcraven> But who the heck does that?
[03:07] <synd> i no like kde
[03:07] <Aircobra> SlackShrike check in bios if it boots from either CD device at first priority
[03:07] <syn-ack> SlackShrike: I have a 68 chevy. I put oil in it, but it still wont start.
[03:07] <SlackShrike> Aircobra: Yes
[03:07] <SlackShrike> Aircobra: only the ubuntu not boot in this PC
[03:07] <dcraven> syn-ack: now now.
[03:08] <Aircobra> hmm
[03:08] <Aircobra> does that live cd boot on other machines ?
[03:09] <drcode> hi all
[03:09] <synd> grr i tried burning with GnomeBaker and it only burned 5 songs of 13
[03:09] <drcode> whats up
[03:09] <drcode> I Am now in xfce
[03:09] <drcode> nice
[03:09] <AgentM> Has anybody an idea why there aren't the device icons of mounted partitions on my desktop (only in Hoary)
[03:09] <dcraven> drcode: cool.
[03:09] <synd> drcode: its nice.
[03:09] <Aircobra> Slackshire does that live cd boot on other machines ?
[03:10] <phen> hello ppl!
[03:10] <SlackShrike> Yes
[03:10] <AgentM> I have only the icons for removable devices as cdrom or usb-disc
[03:10] <SlackShrike> Aircobra: Yes
[03:10] <nopea> got a question for some Linux heads ;) How can one transfer files to a remote server using the root account of the remote server?
[03:11] <mjr> scp/sftp
[03:11] <dcraven> nopea: scp I guess.
[03:11] <Aircobra> SlackShrike does it skips ubuntu and boots other system or just freezes? what are the symptoms?
[03:11] <phen> does anyone of you has got information about that special HP-Notebook-Ubuntu?
[03:11] <jono> anyone know of any sites that give statistic info on how IT salaries have changed over the years?
[03:11] <Jurgeni> AgentM: I think that is how it should be by default
[03:11] <nopea> mjr, dcraven, cheers
[03:12] <drcode> yes
[03:12] <drcode> coosl
[03:12] <drcode> cool
[03:12] <drcode> winetools come with wine install??
[03:12] <dcraven> drcode: check it's dependancies.
[03:12] <AgentM> Jurgeni Really? That's a pity, because in Warty there were some icons for mounted partitions
[03:13] <Rav> anyone have any experience on configuring Logitech mice in 5.04?
[03:14] <occy> man
[03:14] <occy> the stuff on ubuntuguide for DVD is horked
[03:14] <dcraven> drcode: http://packages.ubuntu.com/hoary/otherosfs/wine
[03:14] <Jurgeni> AgentM: really... I don't remember ever having other icons on desktop for mounted stuff but CDs, USB-sticks and so on
[03:15] <AgentM> Jurgeni I am sure, that I had icons for my mounted partitions under Warty, really.
[03:15] <Jurgeni> ok
[03:16] <SlackShrike> Aircobra: In process of boot have this problem: "No common CD-ROM drive was detected."
[03:16] <fragspaz> hey, after i install enlightenment, how do i change shells?
[03:17] <fragspaz> i want to changefrom gnome to E
[03:17] <dcraven> AgentM: you could always drag them to the Desktop from Nautilus if you wish.
[03:17] <SiRrUs> hello
[03:17] <occy> Read error from: Error reading NAV packet.
[03:17] <fragspaz> sirrus, hey, how do i use switch winmngrs/shells
[03:17] <dcraven> fragspaz: you can choose it from the Sessions button in the GDM login screen.
[03:18] <fragspaz> oh yeah
[03:18] <fragspaz> tahnks dcraven
[03:18] <fragspaz> whats the command though
[03:18] <fragspaz> just for future reference
[03:18] <dcraven> fragspaz: command?
[03:18] <Andril> hello all
[03:18] <fragspaz> nvm
[03:18] <Andril> I need help finding themes (Icons.GTK & Metacity) please
[03:19] <dcraven> Andril: gnome-look.org has some I think.
[03:19] <AgentM> acraven But that's not exactly what I want. When there are no disc-icons on my desktop, I cannot access the mounted partitions directly over gnome (open file menu etc.), only over /media/parition
[03:19] <qweqw> well, what's the error?
[03:20] <qweqw> does it crash.. does it freeze.. does it do nothing..
[03:20] <Aircobra> SlackShrike no idea man, did you try googling on this prhase ?
[03:21] <Andril> dcraven: cool
[03:22] <Andril> is Hoary using the Industrial theme as a default?
[03:23] <fragspaz> hey
[03:23] <fragspaz> Enlightenment isnt in my login thing
[03:23] <dcraven> Andril: Clearlooks Human I think.
[03:23] <fragspaz> sessions menu
[03:24] <fragspaz> isnt there a cmd to run that switches it for you?
[03:24] <SlackShrike> Aircobra : i am searching on google
[03:24] <fragspaz> ?
[03:25] <fragspaz> how do i switch from gnome to enlightenment?
[03:25] <Ironfrost> what's a good audio editing tool for linux?
[03:25] <Ironfrost> (one that can handle MP3s)
[03:27] <elcu> Ironfrost: audacity?
[03:27] <fragspaz> thats on linux?
[03:27] <fragspaz> if audacity is linux compatible get it
[03:28] <elcu> fragspaz: it's recommended in the ubuntuguide.  it's in the repos
[03:28] <fragspaz> i record my work on it
[03:28] <SlackShrike> Aircobra: the install-cd no boot too !
[03:28] <b0ol> does somebody know the address of the linuxforen.de irc-server?
[03:28] <Andril> dcraven: do you know where I can find the Industrial Icon theme? not @ gnome-look
[03:28] <Diablo-D3> audacity afaik is only for linux
[03:28] <fragspaz> elcu, i have intalled it already
[03:28] <elcu> fragspaz: how did you install enlightenment?
[03:29] <elcu> fragspaz: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-6417.html
[03:29] <Ironfrost> elcu - OK, thanks a lot
[03:29] <fragspaz> elcu thx, i used the repos
[03:29] <fragspaz> synaptic
[03:30] <b0ol> how to get the border between nick and chat back in xhat?
[03:30] <b0ol> xchat
[03:30] <elcu> fragspaz: yeah, you have to edit /usr/share/xsessions.  see the link
[03:30] <fragspaz> thx
[03:30] <fragspaz> b0ol, i have no idea
[03:30] <fragspaz> double click?
[03:31] <b0ol> damn :/
[03:31] <elcu> b0ol: screenshot?
[03:31] <elcu> imageshack
[03:31] <b0ol> ah
[03:32] <b0ol> no i got it alreaddy :)
[03:32] <b0ol> :/
[03:32] <elcu> what was it?
[03:33] <joe|code> I set up my printer with the printer tools in Gnome but when I go to print a page from the web it comes up with the printer being listed as post-script.
[03:33] <occy> :(
[03:33] <JDigital> How do I install Valknut?
[03:33] <occy> suck suck
[03:34] <occy> Can't seem to get DVD to play under Ubuntu Hoary
[03:34] <qm8008135> http://pastebin.com/276638 how do I modify button/lid case so that I can have different routine for lid close and open event??
[03:34] <Aircobra> SlackShrike thats really funny. out of ideas...
[03:34] <elcu> occy: ubuntuguide.org
[03:34] <occy> I've apt-get installed: mplayer-386 mplayer-fonts mozilla-mplayer w32codecs gstreamer0.8-plugins libdvdcss2 xine-ui
[03:34] <dcraven> Andril: maybe it's at art.gnome.org
[03:34] <occy> none of them work.
[03:34] <occy> elcu: duh
[03:35] <occy> heh
[03:35] <ick> is ubuntu LSB 2 ?
[03:35] <occy> xine doesn't work, gxine doesn't work, totem doesn't work.
[03:35] <intilignat> can the LiveCD be used to install Ubuntu?
[03:35] <elcu> occy: ogle, vlc, kaffeine
[03:35] <occy> gives something about can't read device
[03:35] <fragspaz> how do chmod a file
[03:36] <fragspaz> to be readable to a norm lvl user
[03:36] <synd> ugh does anyone know how to get files off of a palm zire 71?
[03:36] <occy> I would imagine ubuntuguide would tell you you need to change perms on a device or something.
[03:36] <fragspaz> writable
[03:36] <JDigital> synd: It's a bitch, but it's possible
[03:37] <occy> FATAL[ogle_mpeg_ps] : dvdreadblocks failed
[03:37] <occy> elcu: see above.
[03:37] <dockane> i would like to download a rpm package but clicking on the link opens the real media player. help please
[03:37] <synd> JDigital: i cant figure it out
[03:37] <elcu> occy: sure it's not your drive?
[03:37] <mjr> dockane, shift-click or right-click/save as
[03:37] <synd> JDigital: like i have pictures on it and i wanna load them on my comp
[03:37] <elcu> dockane: right-click, save link as...
[03:38] <JDigital> synd: Have you installed pilot-link or such?
[03:38] <dockane> elcu, mjr its a jave something
[03:38] <joe|code> Does anyone use Firestarter? If so, does it block your local printer by default?
[03:38] <Ironfrost> Audacity is looking for a file called libmp3lame.so
[03:38] <dockane> *java
[03:38] <JDigital> or jpilot
[03:38] <Ironfrost> I have Lame installed, so where would I find that file?
[03:38] <JDigital> You probably want to try jpilot
[03:38] <fragspaz> ironfrost
[03:38] <fragspaz> read the readme
[03:38] <Andril> dcraven: not there either - thanks anyways
[03:38] <SlackShrike> Aircobra: The motherboard is 915P/G Combo A7058IMS
[03:38] <vivlachaga> hoary is the stable version toay? what is the "testing" release?
[03:38] <elcu> dockane: mjr?
[03:38] <SiRrUs> breezy
[03:38] <JDigital> jpilot gets stuff off a palm, although I couldn't get it to work myself
[03:38] <fragspaz> ironfrost: thats for exporting mp3's, read the readme i think the side is lamelib.sf.net or sumin
[03:38] <synd> JDigital: jpilot in aptget?
[03:39] <vivlachaga> breezy? SiRrUs ?
[03:39] <JDigital> yeah
[03:39] <dockane> elcu, the adress behind the link is : javascript:Dl_File('S000000055','SD00000004');
[03:39] <JDigital> I ended up using pilot-link which is command-line and fugly
[03:39] <SiRrUs> vivlachaga yep its the testing version
[03:39] <vivlachaga> thanks
[03:39] <Ironfrost> fragspaz - thanks
[03:39] <dockane> elcu, mjr gave me the same awnser like you
[03:39] <SiRrUs> yw
[03:39] <hussam> I already set a root password. Still when a user opens synaptic, it asks for his password and the root's. How can I set it to ask root password instead?
[03:40] <occy> elcu: I get:  Totem could not play 'dvd://',  Could not open resource for writing.
[03:40] <occy> should I have to chmod it 666 or something?
[03:40] <elcu> dockane: check edit -> preferences -> dosnloads -> file types
[03:40] <elcu> *downloads
[03:40] <Burgundavia> hussam, you need to edit the synaptic.desktop file in /usr/share/applications to say gksu synaptic not gksudo synaptic
[03:41] <elcu> occy: you shouldn't have to.
[03:41] <occy> elcu: :/
[03:41] <dockane> elcu, already did it. rpm is not linked to any plugin but it alway opens up real media mozilla plugin
[03:42] <elcu> occy: sorry, i'm not sure, it might be the drive itself.  you could try and convert the DVD to a format that you can read of the HDD
[03:42] <fragspaz> how do i use chmod?
[03:42] <ikaro> mojn
[03:42] <fragspaz> chmod ???
[03:42] <intilignat> can the LiveCD be used to install Ubuntu?
[03:42] <occy> elcu: how could I do that?
[03:42] <elcu> fragspaz: man chmod.  or google for chmod tutorials
[03:42] <elcu> intilignat: no
[03:42] <occy> elcu: convert the DVD to a format... to read from the hard drive?
[03:42] <JDigital> Use mplayer instead of Totem.
[03:42] <elcu> occy: convert it to divx or some such.  haven't done it myself.
[03:43] <SiRrUs> fragspaz http://catcode.com/teachmod/
[03:43] <ick> how do i make ubuntu bullet proof ?
[03:43] <ick> i mean secure has hell
[03:43] <GarySaved> Hey!  I found something you will be interested in ...
[03:43] <JDigital> mplayer dvd://1
[03:43] <occy> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[03:43] <occy>   libavcodeccvs: Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21) but 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13 is to be installed
[03:44] <occy> mplayer isn't installing
[03:44] <JDigital> I hate those umet dependencies
[03:44] <JDigital> :(
[03:44] <JDigital> mplayer is awesome
[03:44] <GarySaved> The NSA is releasing  patches to help make Linux more secure!
[03:44] <occy> JDigital: heh, how do you fix em'?
[03:44] <matty> This is sweet
[03:44] <JDigital> I haven't worked out how to fix them yet
[03:44] <occy> joy
[03:44] <matty> I think I can honestly say this is the first distro I've actually enjoyed installing
[03:44] <matty> Appart from taking 3 or 4 hours to tweak the fonts
[03:45] <GarySaved> It gives me a warm fuzzy to know our gov. has our better interests at heart!
[03:45] <occy> Warty seemed much better at playing DVD's
[03:45] <SlackShrike> Aircobra: The slackware boot too
[03:45] <SlackShrike> Aircobra: Only the ubuntu
[03:45] <tritium> GarySaved, apt-cache search selinux
[03:45] <occy> elcu: With Warty, I just folled ubuntu guide and DVD was working.
[03:45] <occy> elcu: Hoary is the suck for DVD
[03:45] <occy> heh
[03:46] <JDigital> how do I use valknut
[03:46] <elcu> occy: still using warty myself.
[03:46] <occy> GOT IT WORKING!
[03:46] <occy> hah
[03:46] <occy> under ogle
[03:46] <occy> it just started freakin' working
[03:46] <occy> how freaky
[03:46] <occy> must have been the 666
[03:46] <elcu> JDigital: you mean install?
[03:46] <occy> :/
[03:47] <occy> it's jumpy as heck
[03:47] <JDigital> I mean how do I get it
[03:47] <JDigital> the download site doesn't have "ubuntu" listed
[03:47] <GarySaved> Wow!  I did not know that was there.  I just found their web site.  (I was being sarcastic)
[03:47] <occy> heh
[03:47] <occy> totem still won't play it.
[03:48] <poningru> totem teh suck
[03:48] <elcu> compile from the source
[03:48] <poningru> I had a question
[03:48] <poningru> why isnt ogles gui installed with it?
[03:48] <poningru> I mean if you are installing ogle by default why not install the gui as well?
[03:49] <tritium> poningru, I don't know what ogle is, but some people (myself included) don't use synaptic, and instead use aptitude or apt-get, so not everyone wants a gui
[03:50] <Chipzz> I don't know ogle either, but for example mldonkey
[03:50] <elcu> tritium: i agree.  (aside: ogle is a dvd player)
[03:50] <sadneophite> can anyone tell me where my apache server is looking for it's index.html
[03:50] <Chipzz> sometimes it makes sense to run the gui elsewheer
[03:50] <tritium> elcu, ah, thanks
[03:51] <felipe_> how can i setup lame to encode 192kbps ?
[03:51] <poningru> tritium: ogle is a dvd player
[03:51] <Ironfrost> OK.. I've read through the documentation, and it all seems pretty adamant that if I have Lame I should have this libmp3lame.so file
[03:51] <poningru> it comes preinstalled in ubuntu
[03:51] <Ironfrost> but I don't
[03:51] <felipe_> i'm using kaudiocreator
[03:51] <poningru> but not its gui
[03:51] <occy> gxine will play it.
[03:51] <occy> heh
[03:51] <tritium> poningru, yeah, I apt-cache searched it ;)
[03:51] <Ironfrost> is there anywhere it can be downloaded from
[03:51] <occy> totem suxx0rs
[03:51] <occy> heh
[03:52] <ick> i just got banned from debian
[03:52] <ick> what morons
[03:52] <GarySaved> So what all would that access-control add.  I always thought Linux was secure from the box.
[03:52] <ick> cant ask simple question
[03:52] <sadneophite> apache2 is running on my computer but I can't seem to find where the server root is, can anyone tell me where the root is?
[03:52] <poningru> thats the thing why is totem the default player for everything
[03:52] <poningru> I mean comeone
[03:53] <Taliesin`> (sadneophite): genreally /var/www/html/ is the default root :)
[03:53] <elcu> Ironfrost: what package are you trying to install?
[03:54] <Ironfrost> elcu - I installed audacity and am trying to save a file as an MP3
[03:54] <ick> how do i make ubuntu secure ?
[03:54] <Ironfrost> it wants me to find libmp3lame.so, which should come with Lame
[03:54] <elcu> ick: ubuntuguide.org
[03:54] <ick> it seems ubuntu dont have firewall
[03:54] <Ironfrost> but I can't find the thing in /usr/lib
[03:54] <sadneophite> taliesin  thanks I was looking at /srv/www/htdocs or something
[03:54] <ick> look to me like ubuntu is good hacking material
[03:55] <elcu> Ironfrost: which lame packages do you have installed?
[03:55] <sadneophite> ick ubuntu is debian... debian was always good to modify
[03:55] <ick> #debian folks dont seem to think ubuntu is debian
[03:56] <Ironfrost> just 'Lame' - there is a 'lame-extras' that I find through synaptic, but that talks about streaming servers and whatnot
[03:56] <sadneophite> ick, what they mean is that debian isn't ubuntu
[03:56] <Ironfrost> so it probably not relevant
[03:56] <sadneophite> ick it is like that square and rectangle thing
[03:56] <sadneophite> ubuntu is debian but debian isn't ubuntu...
[03:57] <GarySaved> Has anyone actually installed that selinux patch?
[03:57] <ick> so debian is biger that ubuntu is it ?
[03:58] <Quazion> I have an iMac running hoarty now, but the screen is not centered ok. Any hints on how to move it a bit more to the left ?
[03:58] <JDigital> Ubuntu is based on Debian.
[03:58] <sadneophite> basically all ubuntu packages are either debian or modified from debian... it is a debian subset
[03:58] <^vir^> debian users hate ubuntu users its a shame that debian fans are elitists :(
[03:58] <JDigital> Quazion: Futz with the graphics drivers
[03:58] <luboshiq> ick, if you are programmer think of it as ubuntu is a subclass of debian
[03:58] <Taliesin`> hah
[03:58] <Taliesin`> not true
[03:58] <Taliesin`> I use both Debian and Ubuntu
[03:58] <JDigital> ubuntu implies debian
[03:58] <Taliesin`> Debian for my Server systems
[03:58] <sadneophite> OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH
[03:58] <Quazion> JDigital, where ? :)
[03:58] <Taliesin`> Ubuntu for my Network Laptop :D
[03:58] <ick> so what the point of ubuntu ?
[03:58] <JDigital> quazion: no clue
[03:58] <^vir^> Taliesin`, its true mate ask in debian
[03:59] <ick> why not cooperate with debian ?
[03:59] <JDigital> that xfreeconfig dealy maybe
[03:59] <paulproteu1> ^vir^: Don't be so extremist.  I use both Debian and Ubuntu.
[03:59] <ick> instead of forking ?
[03:59] <sadneophite> I use debian DVDs for a coaster...
[03:59] <Quazion> JDigital, i used to use some x tool for that in the past...
[03:59] <Taliesin`> (^vir^): what im saying is not all Debian users are like that ;)
[03:59] <JDigital> debian is good for servers, Ubuntu is good as a desktop OS
[03:59] <dcraven> ick: there is much cooperation.
[03:59] <Taliesin`> correct
[03:59] <Taliesin`> those 'extremists' are comapring apples to bannana's
[03:59] <dcraven> ick: don't beleive everything you hear.
[03:59] <ick> i dont but it gets confused
[03:59] <Taliesin`> Debian, personally is a good Server OS
[03:59] <Quazion> found it again, its xvidtune :)
[03:59] <sadneophite> debian is good if you want to usew old programs and ubuntu is good if you don't like using backports
[03:59] <elcu> Ironfrost: i think you need liblame
[04:00] <Taliesin`> Ubuntu, Is a fracking great Desktop OS
[04:00] <JDigital> right
[04:00] <dcraven> ick: any changes made in Ubuntu are sent upstream to Debian.
[04:00] <^vir^> ick ubuntu uses debian packages just like how suse use redhat its basicaly what it comes down to
[04:00] <sadneophite> Taliesin I HATE DEBIAN BACKPORTS they are like ober unreliable
[04:00] <ick> so the packages arent really ubuntus ?
[04:00] <luboshiq> ick, I like ubuntu more because it is more about desktop than debian
[04:00] <Taliesin`> (sadneophite): lmao, i run on the testing systems
[04:00] <sadneophite> ick some of them are
[04:01] <Taliesin`> their are updates everyday :D
[04:01] <sadneophite> Taliesin lmao
[04:01] <^vir^> some are some aren't ick its a mixture of the two really
[04:01] <sadneophite> ?
[04:01] <Taliesin`> same are pure debian, alot have been customised for ubuntu
[04:01] <Taliesin`> you will notice sometimes as packages coem down
[04:01] <Taliesin`> they have .orig. in them
[04:01] <^vir^> debian is crap for updates unlike ubuntu
[04:01] <sadneophite> it is like c++ is c but c isn't c++
[04:02] <Taliesin`> without an ubuntu tag, they are pure debian pakcages AFAIK, the ones marked like hell with ubuntu in most of the packages are the ubuntu customised ones :)
[04:02] <luboshiq> sadneophite, i like your point of view
[04:02] <luboshiq> :-)
[04:02] <^vir^> ubuntu try to use the latest & greatest on the market while providing the end user with a distro suitable for desktop usage
[04:02] <Taliesin`> same
[04:02] <Taliesin`> (^vir^): hm?
[04:02] <[4-tea-2] > hi folks, i'd like to try ubuntu... before i dive into it: can i run parted from the install cd?
[04:03] <Taliesin`> no, Debian is the last stable build of Debian, bad for a Desktop OS
[04:03] <Taliesin`> err
[04:03] <Taliesin`> bad = built
[04:03] <sadneophite> ^vir^ no I think that is suse under the new novell developement...when you are speaking from 'market'
[04:03] <poningru> how do you write to the hardisk using the live cd?
[04:03] <Taliesin`> and first Debian = Ubuntu :P
[04:03] <fragspaz> chmod g+rwe && u+rwe && o+re /usr/share/xsessions
[04:03] <fragspaz> is that OK?
[04:03] <elcu> [4-tea-2] : don't think so.
[04:03] <dcraven> [4-tea-2] : if you are wondering if there is a partitioning tool during install, then the answer is yes. I don't know what the tool actually is though :)
[04:04] <fragspaz> tis easy though
[04:04] <fragspaz> install is no problem
[04:04] <[4-tea-2] > i have to resize an existing (boot) partition. so i guess i'll have to find a small parted image first
[04:04] <sadneophite> taliesin thanks again
[04:05] <elcu> dcraven: there is?  not for resizing (ala disdkrake in mandrake) though?
[04:05] <elcu> which is what he wants
[04:05] <sadneophite> elcu fdisk
[04:05] <fragspaz> chmod g+rwe && u+rwe && o+re /usr/share/xsessions     <<< is this good or not?
[04:05] <fragspaz> i get errors
[04:05] <luboshiq> i must say i'm impressed how well ubuntu runs on mac
[04:05] <^vir^> sadneophite, suse is rpm based i'm on about debian based the two are completey different for other distro does what ubuntu does really you think how many do you find with gnome 2.10 as standard
[04:05] <occy> elcu: hdparm -d1 /dev/hdd
[04:05] <luboshiq> much better than yellow dog 4
[04:06] <occy> elcu: that seems to have fixed the speed issue of the DVD
[04:06] <occy> it's playing perfectly now.
[04:06] <occy> heh
[04:06] <elcu> occy: nice one.
[04:06] <occy> found that on the ubuntuforums
[04:06] <fragspaz> chmod g+rwe && u+rwe && o+re /usr/share/xsessions     <<< is this good or not?, i get errors. what is wrong with it?
[04:06] <dcraven> elcu: I don't think you can resize, no.
[04:06] <JDigital> Hurr. Installing valknut is a rigmarole
[04:06] <occy> my question is.... is that permanent?  Or do I have to do something to make that work at boot time?
[04:07] <occy> The hdparm command
[04:07] <[4-tea-2] > sweet - SuSE has a 182kb parted image. exactly what i need to install ubuntu after resizing. :)
[04:07] <[4-tea-2] > (no, i am NOT using SuSE, i just googled for "parted iso")
[04:08] <slask3n> Does anyone know what can make my computer unable to "talk" to the internet? I was running GAIM and Firefox with 3 tabs last it happened... Suddenly just like that i get timeouts and have no connection, even though it shows all as normal, including the network connections...
[04:08] <^vir^> [4-tea-2] , nothing wrong with suse yast is great :)
[04:08] <fragspaz> chmod g+rwe && u+rwe && o+re /usr/share/xsessions     <<< is this good or not?, i get errors. what is wrong with it?
[04:08] <Ocid> occy: modify your /etc/hdparm.conf
[04:09] <slask3n> fragspaz: one thing is that executive-parameter is x, and not e...
[04:09] <fragspaz> oh
[04:09] <megamind> plz guide me for the dialup access in ubuntu
[04:09] <fragspaz> ok
[04:09] <fragspaz> thx
[04:09] <[4-tea-2] > ^vir^: yast is sick. ymmv. :)
[04:09] <ick> is opera 8 in ubuntu ?
[04:09] <slask3n> np
[04:09] <dcraven> [4-tea-2] : this might be useful --> http://ubcd.sourceforge.net/
[04:10] <fragspaz> slask3n: still 'too few arguments'
[04:10] <ick> i mean the freeware version
[04:10] <dcraven> ick: packages.ubuntu.com
[04:10] <ick> opera 8 is fast
[04:11] <slask3n> fragspazick: no, i cant find it at least...
[04:11] <ick> faster then firefox i think
[04:11] <tritium> ick, apt-cache search <search term> when you want to look for a possible package in ubuntu
[04:11] <dcraven> ick: yes it is.
[04:11] <slask3n> fragspaz: i dont know really, try look at the man pages "man chmod"
[04:11] <ick> i used oprea back in the days it was the only tabed browser
[04:11] <[4-tea-2] > dcraven: that looks nice, thanks, but i think i'm set
[04:12] <dcraven> [4-tea-2] : okay
[04:12] <[4-tea-2] > (i actually want to minimize the amount of stuff i have to download, so i can get rolling soon)
[04:12] <fragspaz> can anyone here tell me whats wong with my chmod command??
[04:13] <astro76> fragspaz: use && to separate complete commands, not options
[04:13] <elcu> megamind: what's your problem?
[04:13] <elcu> elcu: got mine working using wvdial
[04:13] <elcu> heh. whoops
[04:14] <TooSad> i am sorry, my amule is an enourm window whith enourms font
[04:14] <dcraven> fragspaz: what are you trying to do? rwxrwxr-x? That's "chmod 775 filename" I think.
[04:14] <TooSad> i have disinstalled it and installed
[04:14] <TooSad> but nothing
[04:14] <fragspaz> oh thx astro and dcraven
[04:15] <astro76> fragspaz: of course the whole thing would simplify as chmod a+rwx /usr/share/xsessions && o-w /usr/share/xsessions
[04:15] <astro76> fragspaz: and note it's x not e
[04:15] <fragspaz> thx
[04:15] <KleenerBub> hi
[04:15] <fragspaz> whts a o and w?
[04:15] <megamind> how can i configure the dialup .. plz dome one respond me
[04:16] <astro76> fragspaz: missed a part: chmod a+rwx /usr/share/xsessions && chmod o-w /usr/share/xsessions
[04:16] <gypsymauro> hello
[04:16] <elcu> megamind: wvdial
[04:16] <gypsymauro> any hint on how configure a wireless card on a notebook?
[04:16] <astro76> fragspaz: o=other, w=write
[04:16] <fragspaz> thanks astro
[04:17] <KleenerBub> how do i share folders on my ubuntu with an win2000-pc?
[04:17] <fragspaz> samba?
[04:17] <dcraven> fragspaz: http://catcode.com/teachmod/
[04:17] <fragspaz> thanks
[04:17] <KleenerBub> ok and how. i've installed samba with apt-get install samba
[04:17] <dockane> does somebody inhere runnung iscan ?
[04:19] <AgentM> I have a problem with qt-apps, under my Ubuntu they are looking pretty bad, almost unusable. Can I install some themes for qt or something like that? Important is, that I don't want to install kde!
[04:20] <slask3n> Does anyone know what can make my computer unable to "talk" to the internet? I was running GAIM and Firefox with 3 tabs last it happened... Suddenly just like that i get timeouts and have no connection, even though it shows all as normal, including the network connections...
[04:20] <poningru> firewall?
[04:20] <steved> slask3n: what kind of connection you using ?
[04:21] <sameh> hi who is there
[04:21] <slask3n> steved: ADSL, directly to internet...
[04:21] <KleenerBub> now how can i configure samba?
[04:21] <steved> slask3n: usb modem or ethernet ?
[04:22] <slask3n> steved: ethernet...
[04:22] <kkathman> slask3n: have you tried connecting to the net with another system yet?
[04:22] <davegahan> anyone who knows how to steer around a GRUB loadng error 17 ?
[04:22] <davegahan> big panick here
[04:22] <slask3n> yes, i have another computer, 2 actually and they both connects...
[04:23] <kkathman> slask3n: ok just wondered if maybe the connection went down... Did you reboot the Linux system and retry?
[04:23] <slask3n> steved, kkathman: i have to reboot to get this computer online again :s
[04:23] <Taliesin`> have u tried sudo ifconfig eth0 down; ifconfig eth0 up
[04:23] <Taliesin`> ?
[04:23] <kkathman> slask3n: but when you reboot, it comes back on line?
[04:23] <Taliesin`> sorry
[04:23] <Taliesin`> have u tried sudo ifconfig eth0 down; sudo ifconfig eth0 up
[04:24] <Taliesin`> and see if you can go back to browsing?
[04:24] <slask3n> Taliesin, kkathman: yes and yes
[04:24] <ThomasWinwood> Hello. I'm attempting to set up WiFi access on my setup and am having trouble because the network requires a WEP key which no facilities seem to support (it's thirteen bytes hex). Could anyone suggest anything short of deliberately removing WEP from the network?
[04:24] <GarySaved> SlackShrike, What firewall are you using?
[04:24] <dcraven> KleenerBub: this might be useful --> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SettingUpSamba
[04:24] <davegahan> please... help
[04:24] <H0lyD4wg> why do Gtk+ apps use different fonts when i'm not using Gnome?
[04:24] <elcu> davegahan: make sure your HDD is not set to "Auto", use "LBA" instead.
[04:25] <elcu> davegahan: in BIOS
[04:25] <steved> slask3n: might be worth setting up some pings and see what happens
[04:25] <steved> slasks3: ping your default gateway ie your modem and then ping an address on the internet see what happens when the connection drops
[04:26] <GarySaved> When ubuntu starts up, it sets to do a lease renewal in 9 hours.  THe only way I can stay connected indefinately is by installing FireStarter.  It handles restarting the connection when the lease renews.
[04:26] <davegahan> checked my bos
[04:26] <davegahan> BIOS
[04:26] <kkathman> slask3n: Its not really like linux to just drop a device point blank...unless you were doing something odd, or tripped over a cable, this sounds like a hardware prob..might you have another ethernet card available?
[04:26] <davegahan> there is no such option
[04:26] <SlackShrike> SlackShrike: I am don't use firewall
[04:27] <UnreA|L> uild-essential: Depends: g++ (>= 3:3.3) but it is not going to be installed
[04:27] <UnreA|L>   gftp: Depends: gftp-text (= 2.0.18-1) but it is not installable
[04:27] <UnreA|L> E: Unmet dependencies. Try apt-get -f install with no packages (or specify a solution).
[04:27] <UnreA|L> how install this ?
[04:27] <elcu> davegahan: it should be where the HDD area is.
[04:27] <davegahan> sweating here
[04:27] <GarySaved> SlackShrike, Then you should try FireStarter, and see if that is it.
[04:27] <elcu> davegahan: just chek every dialog
[04:27] <slask3n> steved, kkathman: everything looks perfectly fine in ifconfig, networking, etc... but i get timeout when trying to visit a webpag etc... ive tried unplugging, and plug in the networkcable, and renewing the IP, etc. but i need to reboot for makng it work...
[04:27] <davegahan> its an acer laptop doesnt show such option in bios
[04:28] <megamind> wvdial requires confiugration of wvdial.conf and i can  not find that file :(
[04:28] <GarySaved> There is a default firewall that does not handle DHCP lease renewals for adsl.
[04:28] <elcu> megamind: follow the instructions in the readme
[04:28] <davegahan> trying rescue root=/dev/...
[04:28] <slask3n> kkathman: i have another harddisk with windoZe on, and have no problems there, i got the problems after reinstalling ubuntu a week ago..
[04:28] <steved> slask3n: i assume the timeout happens on multiple web sites?
[04:28] <megamind> which readme fiel :(
[04:29] <slask3n> all, i cant even visit google.com
[04:29] <elcu> megamind: in here: /usr/share/doc/wvdial/README.gz
[04:29] <megamind> thanks let me take a look at that ...
[04:29] <steved> slask3n: might be a dns problem ?
[04:29] <tritium> megamind, all package store their doc directory under /usr/share/doc, so it's always a good idea to look there
[04:29] <rave> hello
[04:30] <gwildor> hi
[04:30] <davegahan> nothing like that in my bios
[04:30] <ThomasWinwood> Hello. I'm attempting to set up WiFi access on my setup and am having trouble because the network requires a WEP key which no facilities seem to support (it's thirteen bytes hex). Could anyone suggest anything short of deliberately removing WEP from the network?
[04:30] <rave> every body happy ?
[04:30] <slask3n> steved: the other computers can connect :s
[04:30] <elcu> davegahan: i had the same problem, and i fixed it that way.  it's a popular error.  tried googling?
[04:30] <davegahan> I fear a disaster, if only  can get linux or windows running
[04:30] <steved> slask3n: have a look in /etc/resolv.conf check your name servers are in there
[04:31] <megamind> thanks i got the idea about the readme now ...
[04:31] <slask3n> steved: i dont have any name servers...
[04:31] <davegahan> yeah
[04:32] <kjcole> Hi.  I've just installed Ubuntu Hoary with the default partitioning, and wanted to know where I can learn more about the /dev mounted on /.dev.
[04:32] <elcu> megamind: happy surfing. and pass the message on.  wvdial is an excellent, easy way of getting dialup modems up and running (unless you have a winmodem AFAIK)
[04:32] <Blue-Omega> i'm not able to mount lg GCE-8525B drive during installtion of Ubuntu 4.10 anybody can help me?
[04:32] <steved> slask3n: what are they other boxes that are working linux as well ?
[04:32] <davegahan> found the bios thing, but cant find the setting in mine
[04:32] <kjcole> (I hadn't seen .dev before.  If I partition by hand, does that still automatically get set up?)
[04:33] <davegahan> there must be another way....
[04:33] <dcraven> davegahan: it's been reported that people who get that error in grub have no issues with lilo.. Not a great solution, but a possibility if all else fails.
[04:33] <slask3n> steced: yes, one is running Ubuntu as well and the other mandrake... but this computer has no problems in windoze and never had any probs in ubuntu either before i reinstalled ubuntu last week.
[04:33] <slask3n> steved*
[04:34] <ThomasWinwood> I'm attempting to set up WiFi access on my Ubuntu system and am having trouble because the network requires a WEP key which no facilities seem to support (it's thirteen bytes hex). Could anyone suggest anything short of deliberately removing WEP from the network?
[04:34] <davegahan> phew
[04:34] <elcu> davegahan: update your bios.
[04:35] <davegahan> oh yeah
[04:35] <Blue-Omega> anyone?
[04:35] <steved> slask3n: can you get to google.com at the moment via a web page?  If not try pinging 216.239.37.99 that is the ip address for google.com
[04:35] <davegahan> googling now for ubuntu rescue installation
[04:36] <steved> slask3n: if the ping works but the web page doesnt looks like a dns problem to me
[04:36] <d0n> hi
[04:36] <slask3n> i can get into google now, cause i have rebooted the computer... but between 11.30 and 14.00 today i had to reboot 3 times..
[04:37] <UnreA|L> E: Unmet dependencies. Try apt-get -f install with no packages (or specify a solution).
[04:37] <UnreA|L>   gftp: Depends: gftp-text (= 2.0.18-1) but it is not installable
[04:37] <UnreA|L> uild-essential: Depends: g++ (>= 3:3.3) but it is not going to be installed
[04:37] <UnreA|L> how install this ?
[04:37] <steved> slask3n: what does resolv.conf look like now ?
[04:37] <slask3n> steved: i have no connection to internet whatsoever! i cant ping google, i cant chat on gai/xchat or anything.. 2 sec ill check resolve.conf
[04:38] <H0lyD4wg> Gtk+ apps use different fonts depending on whether or not i'm using Gnome. How do i set the fonts, theme, etc. without using gnome?
[04:38] <ThomasWinwood> I'm attempting to set up WiFi access on my Ubuntu system and am having trouble because the network requires a WEP key which no facilities seem to support (it's thirteen bytes hex). Could anyone suggest anything short of deliberately removing WEP from the network?
[04:38] <dcraven> H0lyD4wg: is gnome-settings-daemon running?
[04:39] <slask3n> Steved: search adsl.tele2.no || nameserver 193.216.1.13 || nameserver 193.216.69.13
[04:39] <nydust> whats the best html editor like golive?
[04:40] <steved> slask3n: have a look at netstat -rn there should be a line starting with 0.0.0.0 the next address is your default gateway try pinging that
[04:40] <nydust> slask3n, norwegian?
[04:40] <kjcole> Can anyone point me towards documentation regarding "/dev on /.dev type unknown (rw,bind)"
[04:40] <H0lyD4wg> dcraven, wow, thanks.
[04:40] <slask3n> nydust: ja :P
[04:40] <dcraven> H0lyD4wg: you can probably still use gnome-font-properties and gnome-theme-manager even though you aren't using GNOME.. Assuming that GNOME is installed but you just arent' using it.
[04:41] <nydust> slask3n, same here
[04:41] <fateisajester> does anybody here play pool on pogo.com?
[04:41] <dcraven> H0lyD4wg: I'll assume that worked, glad to help.
[04:41] <fateisajester>  i ask because i have a pretty fast computer and a decent video card... its a javabased game which runs perfectly on windows but is really choppy on linux
[04:41] <kjcole> Does the /.dev mount point and the mounting of /dev just "happen" as part of the standard install, regardless of partitioning before installing?
[04:42] <slask3n> steved: destination 193.217.114.1 and gateway 0.0.0.0 ?
[04:42] <mjr> fateisajester, don't play, dunno, but it sounds like they might use threads in some manner that relies upon Windows' scheduling, which would be bad practice. Or it's something else.
[04:42] <slask3n> steved: or destination 0.0.0.0 and gateway 193.217.114.0 ?
[04:43] <steved> slask3n: the 193 address will be your gateway try ping 193.217.114.0
[04:44] <slask3n> steved: but i have connection now.. its just sometimes.. right out of the blue...
[04:45] <slask3n> steved: i got answer from the gateway now... time=0.036 ms
[04:45] <steved> slask3n: that kind of fault is a really hard one work out :( anything common you are doing on the comp when it happens or just surfing ?
[04:45] <sval> hell guys, could you remember me what's the command to have a listing of all the files in a directory WITH the absolute PATH ?
[04:45] <dcraven> sval: find?
[04:46] <steved> slask3n: you should get a constant reply from the gateway if its dropping packets then you have a problem
[04:46] <ThomasWinwood> I'm attempting to set up WiFi access on my Ubuntu system and am having trouble because the network requires a WEP key which no facilities seem to support (it's thirteen bytes hex). Could anyone suggest anything short of deliberately removing WEP from the network?
[04:46] <slask3n> steved: the apps that always have been running when it happens is Firefox, gaim and sometimes Synaptic.. i have a constant reply from the gateway
[04:46] <sval> dcraven: good idea :) i was searchong a flag for ls but don't find it
[04:47] <steved> slask3n: if its working ok now might be worht leaving that ping running then set up a ping to google.com and then let them run and see what happens when you loose connection
[04:47] <steved> s;ask3n: then you will know whether its the link between you and the modem or the modem and your isp
[04:48] <dcraven> sval: I actually remember searching the ls man page for the same non-existant flag.
[04:48] <dcraven> sval: once
[04:48] <slask3n> steved: ill try that :) but wont google.com react on that? the gateway is my ISP's server, not the modem...
[04:49] <Ironfrost> hi - repeating a question I asked an hour or so ago:
[04:49] <steved> slask3n: dont think so pinging it now myself
[04:49] <Ironfrost> Audacity won't save as MP3 because it wants me to find the file libmp3lame.so
[04:49] <Ironfrost> apparently it should be part of Lame, and should be in /usr/lib
[04:49] <Ironfrost> but I have Lame installed (and working perfectly) and it's not there
[04:50] <Ironfrost> can some other Ubuntu users have a look in there and see if they have that file?
[04:50] <slask3n> steved: couldnt that look like an attack? :P hehe if i ping it a couple hours i mean.. :P i dont want to get in any troubles. :p
[04:50] <jsubl2> how do i change the gnome startup splash screen.
[04:50] <sigpc> slask3n: you should read about "ping"
[04:51] <steved> slask3n: no not really if they didn't want to be pinged they could block them its not illegal to ping someone :)
[04:51] <sigpc> it isn't really legal to ping someone without permission for 2 hours
[04:51] <sigpc> heh
[04:51] <sigpc> jsubl2: on http://art.gnome.org there is a good FAQ on all gnome stuff.
[04:51] <jsubl2> thanks sigpc
[04:51] <steved> sigpc: is that true ? didn't know that
[04:51] <sigpc> steved: yeah
[04:52] <sigpc> because a ping -f on a someone with 56k wouldn't be nice
[04:52] <slask3n> hehe, thats what i thought to.. people used to ping people until they lost their connection before, but its a bit hard now with broadband.. :p
[04:52] <sigpc> especially if you had a fast connection
[04:52] <steved> sigpc: is there anywhere you can ping then as someway of testing ? that dont mind ?
[04:52] <dcraven> Ironfrost: try "sudo ln -s /usr/lib/libmp3lame.so.0.0.0 /usr/lib/libmp3lame.so"
[04:52] <picole> hi,all
[04:52] <steved> sigpc: i can understand that but one ping packet a second wont do them any harm :)
[04:52] <sigpc> steved: yeah
[04:53] <sigpc> just a simple ping to see if you connection works isn't bad
[04:53] <dcraven> Ironfrost: that'll make a symlink with the filename you are expecting. This assumes that the file libmp3lame.so.0.0.0 exists on your machine.
[04:53] <sigpc> but if you let it go for 2 hours would be
[04:53] <sigpc> :)
[04:53] <ThomasWinwood> I'm attempting to set up WiFi access on my Ubuntu system and am having trouble because the network requires a WEP key which no facilities seem to support (it's thirteen bytes hex). Could anyone suggest anything short of deliberately removing WEP from the network?
[04:54] <picole> i am some problem with my totem,i can't play the avi files with subtitle loading?any advice?
[04:54] <Chameleon22> under ubuntu whats the path for X includes?
[04:54] <steved> slask3n: I assume you have checked all your physical connections as well ie the ethernet cables are clipped in fully on both ends
[04:54] <slask3n> steved: if you have 56k modem it would be a big deal, but google wouldnt notice anythiong with their lines, you wouldnt either...
[04:54] <Ironfrost> dcraven - /usr/lib/libmp3lame.so.0.0.0 does not exist either
[04:55] <Ironfrost> there is nothing in that folder with libmp3lame in the title
[04:55] <dcraven> Ironfrost: is there a /usr/lib/libmp3lame.so.0? Or some variation? ehe
[04:55] <Ironfrost> *filename, whatever
[04:55] <dcraven> Ironfrost: oh my.
[04:55] <Ironfrost> no, there is no such thing
[04:55] <dcraven> Ironfrost: I wonder where I got mine.. hmmm
[04:55] <Ironfrost> but Lame works fine (I've actually been saving as wav instead and using lame to convert it)
[04:55] <slask3n> steved: everything is as its always, both physicly and software-related... and a reboot is the only thing that helps.. its like the computer dont know anything has happended, just blocks internet withoput knowing it...
[04:55] <Ironfrost> is it possible to send me the file? or does Linux not work like that?
[04:55] <dcraven> Ironfrost: mine came with the liblame0 package.
[04:56] <Ironfrost> OK, I'll have a look for that
[04:56] <dcraven> Ironfrost: do you have liblame0 isntalled?
[04:56] <dcraven> Ironfrost: okay
[04:56] <ThomasWinwood> I'm attempting to set up WiFi access on my Ubuntu system and am having trouble because the network requires a WEP key which no facilities seem to support (it's thirteen bytes hex). Could anyone suggest anything short of deliberately removing WEP from the network?
[04:56] <ivoks> hi
[04:56] <Ironfrost> OK, that explains it, I don't have that
[04:56] <Ironfrost> installing it now
[04:56] <dcraven> Ironfrost: I think it's in multiverse.
[04:57] <steved> slask3n: and you have no firewall running ?
[04:57] <Ironfrost> yep, got it
[04:57] <dcraven> Ironfrost: you *may* still need the symlink.. Depends on how picky Audacity is.
[04:57] <dcraven> Ironfrost: it'll work though.
[04:57] <ivoks> ThomasWinwood network-admin
[04:57] <Ironfrost> thanks a lot!
[04:57] <ivoks> man... i had car accident today :(
[04:57] <ThomasWinwood> ivoks: Eh?
[04:57] <dcraven> Ironfrost: Don't thank me until it actually does work :)
[04:57] <dcraven> ivoks: Oh oh.
[04:58] <slask3n> steved: no, not other than ip tables thats built into linux.. or if bastille installs an firewall i have...
[04:58] <ivoks> ThomasWinwood network-admin supports WEP.. acctually iwconfig supports WEP
[04:58] <ivoks> dcraven yeah... guy kicked my car from behind
[04:58] <picole> i have a problem with my totem,i can't play the avi files with subtitle loading?can somebody tell me?many thanks
[04:58] <net_benjo> hello....I would like to install UBUNTU on a DUAL PROCESSOR pentium 3 Xeon system....does Ubuntu support this?
[04:58] <Ironfrost> yup, it's working
[04:58] <Ironfrost> thanks!
[04:58] <ivoks> dcraven i runned out the road and smashed in a parked car
[04:59] <Delgul> can someone help me getting my nforce4 sound to work with alsa (and/or esd)?
[04:59] <steved> slask3n: try sudo iptables --list see if there are loads of rules in there
[04:59] <dcraven> Ironfrost: cool. You're welcom.
[04:59] <d0n> any1 have a sec fi help a ubuntu noob??? sound doesnt work
[04:59] <dcraven> I can't spell.
[04:59] <steved> net_benjo: yes it does just need to install the smp kernel
[04:59] <dcraven> ivoks: Oops!
[05:00] <net_benjo> steved:  smp kernel..i can do apt-get install  to get it??
[05:00] <Delgul> I have OSS sound emulation working, but cant use alsa directly (or esd for that matter)
[05:00] <ivoks> dcraven well, shit happens
[05:00] <Chameleon22> under ubuntu whats the path for X includes?
[05:01] <slask3n> steved: can i msg you in priv? i dont feel like flooding the chanel, even thoug its 6 lines...
[05:01] <ThomasWinwood> ivoks: network-admin doesn't offer any options at all for wireless, and iwconfig gives me "Operation not supported" when eth0 is up and "Invalid argument" when down.
[05:01] <ivoks> dcraven i got shantz's nech fixer... fuck...
[05:01] <dcraven> ivoks: Yes I suppose it does :)
[05:01] <steved> net_benjo: yes
[05:01] <ivoks> ThomasWinwood it does
[05:01] <net_benjo> steved:  THANK YOU...
[05:01] <d0n> so no1 wants to help me with my sound problems
[05:01] <d0n> =)
[05:01] <ivoks> ThomasWinwood run iwconfig
[05:01] <steved> slask3n: if its only 6 lines then thats finr you dont have any rules set :)
[05:01] <Delgul> d0n: well i have problems too, but they may be different... Try me perhaps I know.
[05:02] <ivoks> ThomasWinwood i run wifi with WEP on ubuntu linux and i used netwrok-admin to set up network
[05:02] <slask3n> its just writtn ACCEPT on all the 3 points...
[05:02] <ThomasWinwood> ivoks: I already tried iwconfig a dozen times or more. "Operation not supported" when up, "Invalid argument" when down.
[05:02] <ivoks> ThomasWinwood sudo iwconfig
[05:02] <ThomasWinwood> Same.
[05:02] <ivoks> ThomasWinwood what card is that?
[05:03] <ThomasWinwood> Realtek RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ rev 10
[05:03] <ivoks> that's wifi?! :)
[05:03] <d0n> Delguk
[05:03] <ivoks> rtl8139 isn't wifi card
[05:03] <d0n> Delgul
[05:03] <d0n> no matter y it doenst work
[05:03] <ThomasWinwood> Then why is it the only listed option besides the WinModem which I've never used?
[05:03] <d0n> it sees my soundcard but anyway nothin cumin out of the boxes
[05:04] <ThomasWinwood> And USB devices work fine - it found my headphones.
[05:04] <ivoks> ThomasWinwood rtl8139 is ethernet card, not wireless
[05:04] <ubuntuuser> I requested a mailing of 4.05 when it was announced
[05:04] <Delgul> can you run amixer?
[05:04] <Delgul> d)n?
[05:04] <Delgul> d0n?
[05:04] <d0n> amixer
[05:04] <ubuntuuser> I have heard nothing about the mailing
[05:04] <Delgul> or even better alsamixer
[05:04] <ivoks> ThomasWinwood what do u get when u run:
[05:04] <d0n> alsa and oss does not work
[05:04] <slask3n> steved: maybe i should just reinstall ubuntu again..? i have been thinking of it, but i decided to ask here first, maybe someone knew whats going on, or could benefit from my problems...
[05:05] <ubuntuuser> what should i do?
[05:05] <ivoks> ThomasWinwood lspci | grep Network
[05:05] <Delgul> d0n: what does 'lsmod | grep snd' say?
[05:05] <d0n> dunno
[05:05] <dcraven> ubuntuuser: I think they are still in shipping. Mine haven't come yet either.
[05:05] <Delgul> d0n try it :-)
[05:05] <d0n>  |
[05:05] <steved> slask3n: its up to you might end up with the same fault :) its a hard one to work out as it doesnt happen all the time
[05:05] <d0n> how to make  |
[05:06] <ThomasWinwood> ivoks: Nothing.
[05:06] <steved> slask3n: if you have the time try it again
[05:06] <Delgul> it's a pipe...next to return i guess!
[05:06] <ivoks> ThomasWinwood then u don't have wifi card
[05:06] <ThomasWinwood> Except I do. It's plugged into the front of the box.
[05:06] <ivoks> ThomasWinwood USB wifi?
[05:06] <ThomasWinwood> Yes.
[05:06] <ivoks> omg :)
[05:07] <dcraven> ThomasWinwood: What does "lspci | grep Ethernet" say?
[05:07] <ivoks> ThomasWinwood lsusb
[05:07] <dcraven> ThomasWinwood: oh.. nevermind.
[05:07] <ivoks> dcraven it's USB WIFI card :))
[05:07] <dcraven> ivoks: I see that now :)
[05:07] <slask3n> steved: i cant reproduce it, so i guess i just wait until it happens again, and the ill reinstall ubntu... but thanks a lot for the help :)
[05:07] <Delgul> anyone with a GA-k8N mobo and working alsa?
[05:07] <ivoks> i once tried USB wifi card, but gived up :)
[05:07] <dcraven> ivoks: bah.. No need for specifics eh?
[05:07] <ivoks> that's shit, like USB modem
[05:07] <ThomasWinwood> It sees the card.
[05:08] <ivoks> ThomasWinwood now, what card is it?
[05:08] <ubuntuuser> dcraven: thx I will wait
[05:08] <ThomasWinwood> Actiontec Electronics.
[05:08] <ThomasWinwood> That's all.
[05:08] <ivoks> man, my head hurts...
[05:08] <steved> slask3n: no problems good way of learning linux trying to figure out other peoples problems :)
[05:08] <terje> is there a document that explains how to save profile information from the liveCD?
[05:09] <kjcole> Does the /.dev mount point and the mounting of /dev just "happen" as part of the standard install, regardless of partitioning before installing?
[05:09] <dcraven> ThomasWinwood: It appears that ndiswrapper might like that chipset, assuming the 802UI3 model.
[05:09] <Nalioth> howdy
[05:10] <ThomasWinwood> ndiswrapper being?
[05:10] <ivoks> wrapper around drivers for windows
[05:11] <karl> can I set an apt-source for just a single instance?  I want to get grass6 from debian, instead of grass5 from ubuntu
[05:12] <ivoks> first time i see name of that company
[05:12] <slask3n> steved: maybe you can help me with another prob then? :p how can i make /dev/sda5 mount to "Comptuer" as a HDD? and how to make it mount automaticly every time i boot up?
[05:12] <dcraven> ThomasWinwood: do you have the Windows drivers handy for that card? The .inf and the .sys files in particular.
[05:12] <ivoks> that must some crapy card :)
[05:12] <SQL_Sam> are there any good html editors? like dreamweaver for linux that are open source?
[05:12] <steved> slask3n: you need to edit /etc/fstab
[05:12] <ThomasWinwood> dcraven: not onhand, searching google.
[05:12] <dcraven> ivoks: same here, but it is in the ndiswrapper.sf.net wiki as working.. That model mentioned above anyways.
[05:12] <Ocid> SQL_Sam: try nvu
[05:12] <steved> slask3n: man fstab for a bit more info
[05:12] <Nalioth> karl, yes you can
[05:12] <dcraven> ThomasWinwood: http://www.actiontecsupport.com/files/Prism80211b2KXPDrivers.exe
[05:13] <ivoks> SQL_Sam screen, bluefish
[05:13] <ivoks> SQL_Sam but this editors asumes u know what HTML is
[05:13] <steved> slask3n: for example i have a fat partition on /dev/sda5 i dont mount it at boot and the line is fstab looks like this:
[05:13] <Ocid> SQL_Sam: http://ubuntuguide.org/#nvu
[05:13] <ivoks> SQL_Sam i hate frontpage, dreamwaver etc... they crate 5x bigger pages then they should be
[05:14] <steved> slask3n: /dev/sda5       /mnt/music      vfat    rw,user,noauto  0       0
[05:14] <Nalioth> karl, doing so might break your system, but life is a gamble for what we want
[05:14] <ivoks> SQL_Sam u could try with quanta too
[05:14] <ThomasWinwood> Actiontec USB 802.11b WLAN Adapter-Am <-- that driver is for this?
[05:14] <karl> nalioth: is it using apt-preferences?
[05:14] <karl> there's nothing particualrly system dependent.
[05:14] <ivoks> omg... i bet that doesn't even work on Windows :)(
[05:14] <rotundo> hello, as of today I seem to be having some mime problems with Hoary, it no longer recognizes PDFs, and when I go to Places->Computer it lists the drives with a desktop icon, and won't open any of them, any ideas ?
[05:14] <karl> I've already compared the debian requirements,
[05:14] <ThomasWinwood> ivoks: Works on WIndows seamlessly.
[05:15] <dcraven> ThomasWinwood: I'm getting this info from here --> http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/phpwiki/index.php/List
[05:15] <slask3n> steved: its reiserfs
[05:15] <ivoks> ThomasWinwood hehe yeah... 2m from AP :)
[05:15] <Nalioth> karl, i always use my command line for working with my files
[05:15] <dcraven> ThomasWinwood: I don't actually know anything about the hardware.
[05:15] <ThomasWinwood> That's for a PCMCIA card.
[05:15] <superted> how do i get rid of the ubuntu spatial mode?
[05:15] <dcraven> ivoks: some of us get stuck with the hardware that comes in the box.
[05:15] <steved> slask3n: just replace vfat with reiserfs
[05:15] <Nalioth> karl you can find out how at www.tldp.org
[05:16] <slask3n> steved: ok :) thanks again! :)
[05:16] <dcraven> ThomasWinwood: look at the website I just gave you.. First card under "A".
[05:16] <Nalioth> karl just change it so u get your stuff, update get stuff, and change back and update again
[05:16] <ivoks> dcraven i know, i usually change it :)
[05:16] <steved> slask3n: if you want it to mount at boot time then take out the noauto
[05:16] <Fackamato> you fire your musket but I'll run you through
[05:16] <ivoks> dcraven i choosed my laptop so everything would work on linux and it does
[05:16] <dcraven> ivoks: Laptops can be a pain to swap hardware in.
[05:16] <steved> slask3n: and make sure that you use mkdir to create a mount point for the filesystem
[05:16] <dcraven> ivoks: same here.
[05:16] <dcraven> ivoks: well, with crutches like ndiswrapper.
[05:17] <ivoks> dcraven what do u need ndis from?
[05:17] <ivoks> dcraven s/from/for/
[05:17] <slask3n> steved: i have made a dir so i use to mount it in. as its now i mount it manually every time i reboot...
[05:17] <dcraven> ivoks: My laptop has a Broadcom wifi chip.
[05:17] <karl> or just download the .deb from debian myself, and install it with dpkg
[05:17] <ivoks> oh
[05:17] <ThomasWinwood> dcraven: which of these files do I need?
[05:17] <dcraven> ivoks: works well with the wrapper though.
[05:18] <ivoks> i have intel prowireless ipw2200 does the trick :)
[05:18] <dcraven> ThomasWinwood: Of what set?
[05:18] <ivoks> dcraven strange... bc wifi isn't supported under linux, but all their eth cards are
[05:18] <ThomasWinwood> Of the Actiontec drivers you linked me to.
[05:18] <slask3n> steved: shall i remove the "noauto" if i want it to mount automaticly every time i reboot?
[05:18] <herrie-aab> hello everybody i need some help with kpackage....  who can help me??
[05:18] <steved> slask3n: yep
[05:19] <slask3n> steved: :)
[05:19] <herrie-aab> how can i install some rpm??
[05:19] <ivoks> dcraven which broadcom?
[05:19] <Bazzi> herrie-aab use alien
[05:19] <herrie-aab> thnx
[05:20] <Nalioth> herrie-aab, visit Area 51 for an alien
[05:20] <djones> herrie-aab: your probably better of compiling from sources
[05:20] <dcraven> ThomasWinwood: First I want you to know that I have no idea what model your chipset is, so this may not even work. I also want you to know that attempting it will do no harm, and can be undone. Lastly, as the ndiswrapper.sf.net link I pasted here says, the file is http://www.actiontecsupport.com/files/Prism80211b2KXPDrivers.exe
[05:20] <dcraven> ThomasWinwood: Keep it in the channel.
[05:20] <dcraven> ThomasWinwood: please.
[05:20] <dcraven> ivoks: BCM4306
[05:21] <ThomasWinwood> I don't myself see why, since all it does is hinder communication by running fifty different conversations alongside each other. Which files do I need?
[05:21] <davegahan> Anyone with some GRUB knowledge here please ?
[05:21] <dcraven> ThomasWinwood: Did you download the file I just gave you the link to?
[05:22] <ThomasWinwood> Yes. It's an archive. Which files do I need?
[05:22] <dcraven> ThomasWinwood: Okay, just unzip it for a moment. You will eventually need the .inf and the .sys files.
[05:22] <ThomasWinwood> Right.
[05:22] <dcraven> ThomasWinwood: are you in Ubuntu right now?
[05:22] <karl> fuck it, it's easier to build from source than to to use debs from somewhere else.
[05:23] <ThomasWinwood> If I were I wouldn't need help getting the network up, would I? I'm on my father's Windows install.
[05:23] <karl> dcraven: was I trying to help yo uwith a bcm4306 a few days ago?
[05:23] <karl> I take it's still not working for you :)
[05:23] <aeho> Has anybody here tested http://icculus.org/duke3d/ , or can someone tell what dir does "Linux system" mean?
[05:23] <ThomasWinwood> dcraven: give me the commands to put in and I'll write them down and carry them and the files across.
[05:24] <kaoD> hello
[05:24] <dcraven> karl: no, it wasn't me.
[05:24] <Nalioth> karl, you are now entering a more calm way of life
[05:25] <Nalioth> karl, i suggest "checkinsall" in this way you have debs for your system for later
[05:25] <Nalioth> woops i hate yptos...that would be "checkinstall"
[05:25] <ThomasWinwood> I say I'll carry them across, but I don't have any free floppies.
[05:26] <ivoks> oh... bye guys...
[05:26] <ivoks> head hurts...
[05:26] <dcraven> ThomasWinwood: Install ndiswrapper-utils (probably on the install CD if not already installed), then follow the directions here, starting from the "Installing the Windows Drivers" section. --> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SetupNdiswrapperHowto
[05:27] <dcraven> ThomasWinwood: and try to curb the attitude, we are all volunteers here.
[05:27] <dcraven> brb
[05:27] <Linforcer> hey does anyone know of a picture library program for gnome?
[05:27] <ncp> after i have installede nvidia drivers, an updatede kernel-headers every thing i apt-get (etc. xmms ) just return "Segmentation fault" howcome ?
[05:27] <Linforcer> can't seem to find one
[05:27] <SQL_Sam> when using chown (like the following) sudo chown -R root:root /opt.....   is :root supposed to be my root password?
[05:27] <sig> Linforcer: gThumb
[05:27] <Linforcer> sig thanks
[05:28] <Ocid> SQL_Sam: nope, it's group root
[05:28] <sig> I just made a fast index.html with it here:  >>> http://harrisplace.net/pictures/ducks/
[05:28] <Linforcer> Didnt know I could build a library int hat
[05:28] <holycow> sig, you made that with gthumb?
[05:28] <holycow> *blink* :)
[05:28] <sig> yes
[05:28] <sig> 3 clicks
[05:28] <sig> :)
[05:28] <holycow> man you learn something new every day
[05:29] <holycow> ha!
[05:29] <davegahan> someone that can help me with a grub error problem - I need to boot my machine
[05:29] <Linforcer> Not as good as Picasa2 :( but well... one must make some sacrafices switching to Linux
[05:29] <Linforcer> sacrifices*
[05:29] <gwildor> Linforcer, I also know that photshop hase a galelry generating function.....maybe GIMP does too?
[05:29] <Chameleon22> has anyone here managed to install KNowit, is so... i really need help :(
[05:29] <Nalioth> Linforcer, sacrifices?
[05:30] <gwildor> s/ galelry/gallery
[05:30] <Linforcer> Nalioth yes, such as that there is no driver for my webcam
[05:30] <spiral> hmmm, is anyone here working on updating ooo2 testing release in breezy or do I still have to use alien ?
[05:30] <Nalioth> Linforcer, really? one would think that there would be something out there
[05:30] <Linforcer> Nalioth and Nalioth, well the fact is, it's a digital camera which can also be used as a webcam
[05:31] <Nalioth> Linforcer, ah
[05:31] <Linforcer> Nalioth so noone bothered to make more than just the "get pics from it" kinda thing
[05:31] <Linforcer> It works in that aspect
[05:31] <Nalioth> Linforcer, and the linux webcam stuff don't work either, eh?
[05:31] <dcraven> sig: tell me those ducks are sleeping.
[05:31] <elektrolyytti> where can i change gnome-phone-manager connection password?
[05:31] <Linforcer> I don't know, where would i find generic webca, drivers?
[05:31] <sig> dcraven: sure
[05:32] <sig> peacfully
[05:32] <sig> hah
[05:32] <dcraven> sig: Cool :)
[05:32] <dcraven> sig: they look a little heavy.
[05:32] <sig> big ducks
[05:32] <elektrolyytti> my phone asks pswd when my pc connects to it with gnome-phone-manager but i never set one :S
[05:32] <dcraven> haha
[05:32] <mario> any have problems with nvidia drivers? (xorg freezing)
[05:32] <donblas> hey all, is there a gui search for apt-get?
[05:33] <Nalioth> Linforcer, did you search sourceforge?
[05:33] <dcraven> donblas: synaptic
[05:33] <cyh> hello i have a question about firewalls, i would like to make a rule that was like that denies all connections from a particular port unless they come from a given ip. how do i do that?
[05:33] <sig> donblas: synaptec
[05:33] <Linforcer> Nalioth: yeah, but that was months ago
[05:33] <donblas> dcraven: thanks
[05:33] <Linforcer> Nalioth: and I wasnt sure what to look for... I guess Im still not
[05:33] <sig> system > administration > synaptic package manager
[05:34] <Linforcer> curses, now where did that cam go
[05:34] <Nalioth> Linforcer, "webcam" would be my first shot
[05:34] <kart_> donblas: Computer--> system Config -->Synaptic
[05:34] <Linforcer> haha yeah
[05:34] <Linforcer> you wanna know how many results you'd get?
[05:35] <karl> nalioth: you'd think, except that installing gdal-dev seems to want gnome-bin, as part of unixodbc.
[05:35] <karl> why on earth gnome-bin would be needed is beyond me.
[05:35] <Nalioth> Linforcer, can't you do advanced search "linux only"
[05:36] <Nalioth> karl arent you on ubuntu? i would think gnome-bin would be here
[05:36] <ncp> i have just updatede kernel-headers an installede nvidia drivers for my gfx. but now, when i apt-get etc. xmms an execute in terminal i just get "segmentation fault" i have triede with other apps to, but same error... do anybody know about this error?
[05:36] <Linforcer> Yeah, I guess. I'll check it out after I had brea.... wtf 5 PM...well... definitly time for "breakfast" (I work nightshifts :P)
[05:37] <Delgul> Hmm... Can I tweak esd somewhere? It is not playing nice with totem/goom. Goom is really not smooth...
[05:37] <karl> nalioth: I'm on ubuntu yes.
[05:37] <Delgul> When I run it with oss it is smooth tho
[05:37] <ThomasWinwood> aaaaargh
[05:37] <ThomasWinwood> Can't mount the floppy/
[05:37] <ThomasWinwood> .*
[05:38] <karl> nalioth: it is now anyway, gdal-dev wanted all this cruft
[05:38] <karl>   gnome-bin gnome-libs-data gtkodbcconfig0 libart2 libgdal1-dev libgnome32
[05:38] <karl>   libgnomesupport0 libgnomeui32 libgnorba27 libgnorbagtk0 libltdl3-dev
[05:38] <karl>   libodbcinstq1 liborbit0 unixodbc-dev
[05:39] <karl> the best bit is I don't even know if grass is goign to do what I want :)
[05:39] <ThomasWinwood> dcraven, help please.
[05:39] <dcraven> ThomasWinwood: What's the problem?
[05:39] <sandyeggoboy> hello, i need some help with a new install
[05:40] <sandyeggoboy> i cant get my monitor to see 1024x768, stays at 800x600
[05:40] <sval> ThomasWinwood: mount /dev/fd0 /media/somedirectory
[05:40] <Nalioth> karl, can't help u with the cruft
[05:40] <ThomasWinwood> sval: It says something about not finding a filesystem.
[05:41] <davegahan> how can I retrieve files from my linux partition when my MBR is corrupted - I have a GRUB error ?
[05:41] <sandyeggoboy> my monitor is a Dell 1501FP LCD monitor, and my video card is embeded
[05:41] <sval> ThomasWinwood: mount -vfat /dev/fd0 /media/somedirectory ?
[05:41] <karl> nalioth: it's ok, it's just hard drive space.
[05:41] <dcraven> ThomasWinwood: try "mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 /media/somedirectory"
[05:42] <root> anyone see this?
[05:42] <Nalioth> karl that is true, cruft on linux is more efficient than m$ cruft, heh heh
[05:42] <dcraven> root: see what?
[05:42] <sval> root: yes ... but don't chat on irc with your root account
[05:43] <root> dcraven: that. me typing. ok. i just tried debian, i'm coming back to ubuntu this is a mess.
[05:43] <sval> root: it's just a advise
[05:43] <cyh> so does anyone have recomendations for a firewall?
[05:43] <root> sval: thats all i have now man, thanx :)
[05:43] <dcraven> root: I'd heed sval's advice.
[05:43] <dcraven> heh
[05:43] <sval> root: debian a mess ?
[05:43] <Nalioth> cyh why do you need a firewall?
[05:43] <root> yeah...well let them hack in, i'm removing this.
[05:44] <cyh> nalioth - i wan't to restrict connectoins to certian ports from certian ip address
[05:44] <root> sval: yes my x server wont start, nothing. they kept ignoring me on #debian so i thought no one could see me typing either
[05:44] <Nalioth> cyh ah ubuntu doesnt listen to nonactive ports by default
[05:44] <karl> nalioth: I'm not actually convinced that's the case, it may do less damage perhaps,
[05:44] <root> sval: most of the packages screwed up anyway.
[05:44] <sval> root: the default config on debian for xserver is a common proble
[05:44] <karl> but it's a lot harder to get rid of cruft, and to prevent cruft.
[05:45] <ThomasWinwood> #debian has a reputation of being a$$holes.
[05:45] <karl> you just have to accept it.
[05:45] <sval> root: just change the vsync and hsync in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[05:45] <karl> that's because AJ didn't win :(
[05:45] <dcraven> sval: Debian still uses xfree no?
[05:45] <cyh> nalioth - yes i noticed this ( i just installed ubuntu 1h ago and everything is ready except i need firewall) but i have ssh and ftp running
[05:45] <sval> dcraven: yes
[05:45] <dcraven> sval: okay.. apparently.
[05:45] <Nalioth> cyh is the machine only for your use?
[05:46] <root> sval: yeah i'll try, but i think i'll switch back to ubuntu. any reason why reiserfs would be a problem?
[05:46] <sval> root, no reiserfs is a very good filesystem
[05:46] <sandyeggoboy> thanks sval .. will try that now
[05:46] <cyh> nalioth - the machien is going to be used like this, me and my roomate are going to ssh to it and use it to download stuff with bittorrent then upload the stuff to our computers when they are done
[05:46] <gwildor> cyh. really isnt a reason for a firewall in ubuntu......kinda overkill
[05:47] <Nalioth> cyh, turn off the ftp server
[05:47] <root> sval: my hsync and vsyn is perfect. i dint even put it in, and it exactly by the manual.
[05:47] <elcu> The *REAL* debian channel (apparently): irc.openprojects.org #debian
[05:47] <Nalioth> cyh use sftp
[05:47] <cyh> nalioth i am using vsftpd now
[05:47] <Nalioth> cyh no longer need a firewall
[05:47] <elcu> I've read it's more friendly than freenodes.
[05:48] <dcraven> We're all buttheads on freenode :)
[05:48] <cyh> this is my first time really using linux, i am more familure with unix and ipfw
[05:48] <sval> root: so, look at /var/log/XFree86.0.log it will help you
[05:48] <elcu> dcraven: sometimes.  u have to admit that #ubuntu is quite good though. :)
[05:48] <dcraven> elcu: I think so too.
[05:48] <root> sval: what is the mouse mount point?
[05:49] <sandyeggoboy> hmm.. i am using xorg
[05:49] <gwildor> sval, (i cant remember the command or I would tell him myself), have him do dpkg-reconfigure (or whatever it is suppsoed to be)
[05:49] <Nalioth> cyh, ubuntu is listen-only by default
[05:49] <fateisajester> i have a weird prob.... for some reason the ati drivers for my radeon 7000 dont work, so i have to use generic radeon drivers...ok... but what is weird is in gnome i have a higher fps than in kde.. anyone know why?
[05:49] <Nalioth> cvh if you are only running sshd you should be good to go
[05:49] <cyh> nalioth - see that but i wan't to restict the ips that can connect to ssh and ftp
[05:49] <root> gwildor: u mean the command. format, go to www.ubuntulinux.com and dowload ubuntu?
[05:49] <elcu> fateisajester: how much higher?
[05:49] <sandyeggoboy> /var/log/XFree86.0.log: No such file or directory
[05:50] <fateisajester> 100-150
[05:50] <cyh> well can one "get" like with ssh as they can with ftp ?
[05:50] <sval> root: /dev/input/mice
[05:50] <sval> Protocol IMPS2
[05:50] <karl> no, but they can with sftp and scp which run over ssh
[05:50] <karl> so yes.
[05:50] <Nalioth> cyh are your pwds not good enough? sorry i know nothing of iptables or whatever
[05:50] <sval> root: for an usb mouse
[05:50] <fateisajester> weird,right
[05:50] <root> sval: so its not that. i dont have a usb mouse
[05:51] <Nalioth> cyh what karl said
[05:51] <gwildor> root, not what I meant at all
[05:51] <sval> root: /dev/psuax
[05:51] <karl> if they have a good ftp client it will already do sftp anyway
[05:51] <dcraven> sval: /dev/psaux then I think.
[05:51] <sval> root: /dev/psaux
[05:51] <cyh> my ftp server is set up as anon at this time and i would rather use ip address as verification rather then passwed
[05:51] <dcraven> err.. root I meant.
[05:51] <gwildor> root, I was asking him to tell you the command to just reconfigure your Xserver, instead of manually editing files
[05:51] <Choubaka> root: are you ircing as root? why? :|
[05:51] <karl> if you are concerend about security, turn off the anon ftp.
[05:51] <sandyeggoboy> i tried to do "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, but then it says it can not deiplay that setting
[05:52] <sval> gwildor: root try dpkg-reconfigure common-xserver
[05:52] <elcu> fateisajester: yeah :) dunno.  maybe kde uses more resources?
[05:52] <cyh> karl but if i can block all but the two ip address that are going to use it then there is no security issue
[05:52] <karl> ftp is outdated, screw it, it's a pain to get through nat, just use http if you want anon file downloads
[05:52] <sandyeggoboy> common-xserver?
[05:52] <fateisajester> maybe.... do you know anyone who has had success with ati drivers for this card
[05:52] <Nalioth> cyh, sorry you are asking things i know not
[05:52] <cyh> apache is big commpared to vsftpd
[05:53] <root> sval: /me ircing as root, because me in terminal with only root
[05:53] <Choubaka> karl: what's painful in a simple port forward?
[05:53] <karl> webfsd
[05:53] <karl> choubaka: you help him then :)
[05:53] <Nalioth> cyh, i'd just use ONLY ssh for all uses
[05:53] <cyh> thats ok nalioth i don't know either
[05:53] <karl> I'm trying to tell himi to do it a different way :)
[05:53] <Choubaka> root: ?|
[05:53] <cyh> if i could "get" with ssh this would be perfect
[05:53] <Choubaka> root: start a terminal as a normal user.
[05:53] <karl> you can, aren't you paying attention?
[05:53] <karl> it's called sftp, it runs over ssh
[05:54] <root> sval: whats the command again missed it
[05:54] <karl> you can also use scp with *, though some implementations consider that unsafe.
[05:54] <sval> sandyeggoboy: xserver-common & xserver-xorg
[05:54] <root> Choubaka: i dont care to get hacked right now :)
[05:54] <Nalioth> cyh to "get" with ssh use sftp or scp like karl said
[05:54] <Choubaka> root: hoh :P
[05:54] <elcu> fateisajester: i personally just followed the binary howto (on a 9600pro).  i haven't benchmarked gnome vs kde though.
[05:54] <Nalioth> cyh gftp uses "sftp" and "scp"
[05:54] <cyh> i will look into sftp adn scp after i check out the firewall options further
[05:54] <sval> root: dpkf-reconfigure xserver-xfree or xserver-common
[05:55] <cyh> i apperciate your help
[05:55] <dcraven> I'm outta here.. Off to school. Cheers!
[05:55] <sval> root: root dpkg*
[05:56] <WhiteRabbit> root, your gonna love this
[05:56] <root> sval: should any user be able to use it?
[05:56] <root> WhiteRabbit: u gonna kill me?
[05:56] <sandyeggoboy> i set mine for console ony
[05:56] <root> WhiteRabbit: one way of getting me back to ubuntu faster
[05:57] <root> sval: only konsole users should be allowed to use xfree?
[05:57] <sval> root: no
[05:57] <sval> root: just root
[05:58] <sval> root: use xfree ? you just want to configure it
[05:58] <root> sval: ok
[05:58] <gwildor> sval, ty
[05:59] <ThomasWinwood> Okay, I got ndiswrapper working and have used the driver.
[06:00] <NeoCicak> helo... is it just me, that for the last 2 weeks, there has been no update for ubuntu (nothing appears when i execute apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade)
[06:00] <Nalioth> NeoCicak, are you using hoary?
[06:00] <holycow> heh
[06:00] <NeoCicak> Nalioth: yes
[06:00] <holycow> when you mount a floppy, linux actually 'caches' the entire contents of the floppy
[06:01] <Nalioth> NeoCicak, you are using a "finalized" distro
[06:01] <zerokarmaleft> NeoCicak, that's because hoary is stable now
[06:01] <holycow> you can pull the floppy out, as long as its mounted, you can open the docs ... at least i can this one
[06:01] <holycow> strange
[06:01] <NeoCicak> oh ok...
[06:01] <NeoCicak> so no update is available?
[06:01] <Nalioth> NeoCicak, the only thing comin now is security updates
[06:01] <Nalioth> NeoCicak, hopefully we won't see any
[06:01] <NeoCicak> nalioth... where can i get that from?
[06:01] <joshua__> um hello. im having a problem with my computer being stuck in 640x480 and i can seem to change it. i tried running xorgconfig but it went screwy after that so i just deleted it is there any automatic xsetup that can fix my problem. I seem to remember slackware had something called xorgsetup
[06:01] <joshua__> can't*
[06:02] <Nalioth> NeoCicak, they add them to their end when needed
[06:02] <elcu> holycow: weird == cool
[06:02] <NeoCicak> ic.. thx
[06:03] <elcu> joshua__: have you set your monitor refresh rates in xorg.conf?
[06:03] <spiral> I can't install ubuntu-desktop under breezy...
[06:03] <holycow> elcu, indeedy
[06:04] <spiral> ubuntu-desktop: Depends: contact-lookup-applet but it is not going to be installed
[06:04] <spiral>                   Depends: evolution but it is not going to be installed
[06:04] <spiral>                   Depends: evolution-exchange but it is not going to be installed
[06:04] <spiral>                   Depends: gnomemeeting but it is not going to be installed
[06:04] <spiral>                   Depends: nautilus-sendto but it is not going to be installed
[06:04] <spiral> is it normal ? what should I do ?
[06:04] <Nalioth> spiral, you are a white lab rat
[06:04] <cyh> ok one more question how do i see how much traffic is happening over my ethernet card?
[06:04] <Nalioth> spiral, breezy is way beyond "unstable"
[06:04] <NeoCicak> spiral: have u tried sudo apt-get dist-upgrade?
[06:04] <NeoCicak> is breezy the next coming ubuntu ?
[06:05] <spiral> NeoCicak: yes, but in unstable position for now
[06:05] <Nalioth> NeoCicak, yes
[06:05] <joshua__> elcu no i havent i know them i don't know how and where in xorg to add them
[06:05] <Nalioth> NeoCicak, if you use it, you should change your title to "test subject"
[06:05] <NeoCicak> ah ok....
[06:05] <spiral> Nalioth: I know, but I thought that it should at least allow me to install ubuntu-desktop
[06:06] <elcu> joshua__: join #flood and i'll post my section
[06:06] <Nalioth> spiral, i don't think breezy is gonna be anywhere near useable on a day-to-day basis for a while
[06:06] <ThomasWinwood> Hmm. Okay. I've configured ndiswrapper and the driver seems to be present and correct, shows up in ndiswrapper -l.
[06:06] <spiral> Nalioth: I've been using hoary in test since december... and I didn't have too much problems
[06:06] <ThomasWinwood> What do I do now? The wireless card does not show up in System > Admin > Networking.
[06:07] <Nalioth> spiral, breezy is just now getting started...try back in 2 months (like you did with hoary)
[06:07] <holycow> hey guys, if i connected to a server, and the link appears on my desktop, then if i want to search a file on that mounted link ... where in the file search dialog can i find the mounted server connection?
[06:07] <spiral> Nalioth: all right... I'll wait a little
[06:08] <holycow> it appears on the desktop but when you browse to destkop of course you cannot see themount point
[06:09] <jono> I have plugged in my iRiver and it appears to only come up read-only - it used to work, can anyone suggest why it is readonly now?
[06:09] <Nalioth> jono <grumble> unsafe interaction with windoze puters? </grumble>
[06:10] <jono> Nalioth, huh?
[06:10] <Nalioth> jono sorry was a joke
[06:10] <ThomasWinwood> What do I do now I've configured the driver for my wireless card in ndiswrapper? The wireless card does not show up in System > Admin > Networking.
[06:10] <jono> no probs :)
[06:11] <Seveas> holycow, how did you connect?
[06:11] <Nalioth> jono IMO windoze screws things up as a matter of fact
[06:11] <jono> it should work on here, I have no idea why it doesnt
[06:11] <holycow> Seveas, yep, works great infact
[06:12] <ThomasWinwood> What do I do now I've configured the driver for my wireless card in ndiswrapper? The wireless card does not show up in System > Admin > Networking.
[06:12] <Seveas> Seveas, i asked HOW, like what kind of server is it?
[06:12] <Seveas> narf
[06:12] <Seveas> i meant holycow
[06:12] <holycow> i think what i'm noticing here is that the 'places in the panel' & 'places in nautilus' & 'places in file selector dialog' are not synched and they should be
[06:12] <holycow> Seveas, rofl
[06:13] <holycow> windows share, network, via places > connect to server
[06:13] <Dmost> hi every one
[06:13] <Seveas> ah ok :)
[06:13] <Dmost> alguien habla castellano
[06:14] <Linforcer> not me
[06:14] <mario> Dmost, join to #ubuntu-es
[06:14] <NeoCicak> does anyone know .CHM file reader for ubuntu?
[06:14] <zerokarmaleft> xchm
[06:14] <Nalioth> NeoCicak, kchm?
[06:15] <ThomasWinwood> What do I do now I've configured the driver for my wireless card in ndiswrapper? The wireless card does not show up in System > Admin > Networking.
[06:15] <NeoCicak> chm
[06:15] <NeoCicak> the windows help file
[06:15] <NeoCicak> oh
[06:15] <NeoCicak> is that the program name?
[06:15] <zerokarmaleft> NeoCicak, xCHM
[06:15] <NeoCicak> kchm?
[06:15] <Mace68> hi everyone
[06:15] <Seveas> holycow, i'm puzzled too, i just tried to do the same and it shows up in the nautilus tree but not when i browse "~/Desktop" in Nautilus
[06:15] <mario> gnochm.sourceforge.net/
[06:15] <NeoCicak> thx a lot!
[06:15] <Nalioth> Dmost, hablamos espanol en el #ubuntu-es
[06:15] <mario> CHM viewer for GNOME
[06:16] <Seveas> it's a gnome-vfs thing
[06:16] <Nalioth> NeoCicak, yes both are chm proggys
[06:16] <Seveas> so it's not actually mounted
[06:16] <NeoCicak> k... thx a lot!
[06:16] <holycow> Seveas, exactly, those three 'places' are not synched.... its some perverse reasoning behind why stuff is there ... i think this needs to be notified to the gnome people
[06:16] <holycow> basically 'places' should access all vfs stuff at all times as mounted
[06:17] <Seveas> holycow, not really
[06:17] <ThomasWinwood> What do I do now I've configured the driver for my wireless card in ndiswrapper? The wireless card does not show up in System > Admin > Networking.
[06:17] <Seveas> mounting is a different concept
[06:17] <Seveas> mounting is integrating it in the filesystem
[06:17] <Seveas> gnome-vfs does not do that
[06:17] <Mace68> any idea why my cd burning progs can't access my external usb cd/rw drive unless I chmod 777?
[06:17] <Seveas> so this is by design :)
[06:17] <holycow> gnom-vfs does the translation?
[06:17] <Seveas> Mace68, you might not be in the correct group (but i don't know that for sure)
[06:18] <Seveas> holycow, yes
[06:18] <holycow> well whatever actually handles the 'links' between various file systems, it should all be in places
[06:18] <Seveas> if you browse the link, it says 'smb:///something'
[06:18] <Seveas> and not '/somewhere/in/filesystem
[06:18] <Seveas> '
[06:19] <holycow> right, but regardles where it is in vfs space, if its accessible, all apps should have access to it as per file permissions via a single dialog imho ... ?
[06:19] <Dmost> tengo una pregunta para los que hablan espaol
[06:19] <Mace68> Seveas: I checked that and I am in the same group as the drive is
[06:19] <holycow> Seveas, not arguing with you btw :) just saying
[06:19] <mario> Dmost, no estas jodiendo? ya te dijimos que en #ubuntu-es puedes consultar en tu idioma!
[06:19] <Seveas> holycow, i agree on that :)
[06:19] <tredi> c' qualche italiano che mi pu aiutare
[06:20] <tredi> o qualcuno che scrive in italiano
[06:21] <Linforcer> >.>
[06:22] <ThomasWinwood> What do I do now I've configured the driver for my wireless card in ndiswrapper? The wireless card does not show up in System > Admin > Networking.
[06:22] <holycow> bah i hate windows
[06:22] <holycow> every goddamned app now has its own update manager
[06:22] <Linforcer> holycow don'y we all?
[06:22] <holycow> and of course the acrobat7 updater is stuck
[06:22] <Linforcer> of course
[06:22] <holycow> mofo piece of crap, i don't understand who thinks this shit is enterprise ready
[06:23] <Linforcer> Acrobat?
[06:23] <holycow> the whole windows side of things
[06:23] <holycow> its all crap
[06:23] <Roger_Martins> ubuntu is 100% free ?
[06:23] <holycow> Roger_Martins, yes
[06:23] <Linforcer> Roger_Martins: 100%
[06:23] <_linux_newb> ThomasWinwood, modprobe ndiswrapper
[06:23] <Roger_Martins> thanks
[06:23] <Linforcer> You could buy tech support for it
[06:23] <Linforcer> that would cost monah
[06:24] <holycow> which is actually a good thing, i like buying support
[06:24] <Linforcer> but the community offers free support , which unless you're in a hurry and/.or running a company
[06:24] <Linforcer> is all you need
[06:24] <ThomasWinwood> _linux_newb: no discernable effect.
[06:24] <stanton> what is the preferred method to disable ipv6 in ubuntu?
[06:25] <_linux_newb> well the driver should be loaded now
[06:26] <ThomasWinwood> So what now?
[06:26] <graabein> hi! im gonna dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg now...
[06:26] <_linux_newb> try iwconfig see what shows
[06:26] <graabein> what driver do i choose? nv or nvidia? i want the ubuntu-default, not nvidia binary
[06:26] <holycow> ThomasWinwood, if you get silence when yo modprobe it means it installde the driver correctly without error
[06:26] <_linux_newb> graabein, nv
[06:26] <graabein> thanks
[06:27] <holycow> in unix if things work you get no message, you only get 'discernable effects' when things go wrong
[06:27] <SQL_Sam> is there any open source fax type software?
[06:27] <ThomasWinwood> No wireless connections showing in iwconfig.
[06:27] <holycow> your next step is to configure an ip address for your eth card and bring it up
[06:27] <amichai> can someone tell me if kubuntu is the same as ubuntu just with kde instead of gnome or is there a structure difference?
[06:27] <ThomasWinwood> Right.
[06:27] <Nalioth> amichai, same thing, differnt gui
[06:27] <amichai> Nalioth: it acts very differently
[06:28] <_linux_newb> ThomasWinwood, does iwconfig list wlan0 or something similar
[06:28] <Nalioth> amichai, i think kde and gnome do act differently
[06:28] <amichai> Nalioth: like in cedega it wont auto mount the cds, but in ubuntu it does
[06:28] <karl> stanton, did you get an answer on turning off ipv6?
[06:28] <graabein> _linux_newb, i have nvidia geforce 6600 gt - do i disable "dri"?
[06:28] <karl> I'm looking for an answer too :)
[06:28] <stanton> karl: no
[06:28] <amichai> Nalioth: so u saying it at the desktop level?
[06:28] <Nalioth> amichai, cedega is a program, ubuntu is an operating system
[06:28] <_linux_newb> graabein, with nv i believe you can leave it
[06:28] <graabein> okay, ill try that
[06:28] <synd> ok i have a printer connected to my Apple Airport Express Base Station and it prints wirelessly from my Macs. is there any way to get it to print wirelessly from ubuntu?
[06:29] <ringmauer> i have problems with my repositories, anywone who can help?
[06:29] <amichai> Nalioth: also when i installed ubuntu and then did apt-get kubuntu-desktop kde worked much better than just off the kubuntu cd
[06:29] <amichai> Nalioth: i know the difference thank u :)
[06:29] <ringmauer> please
[06:30] <tredi> qualche italiano on line?
[06:30] <synd> ok i have a printer connected to my Apple Airport Express Base Station and it prints wirelessly from my Macs. is there any way to get it to print wirelessly from ubuntu?
[06:30] <amichai> Nalioth: just hard to believe that the gui is the only difference. it acts like a different distro
[06:30] <ThomasWinwood> _linux_newb: no wlan0.
[06:30] <ryman> ringmauer | http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[06:30] <synd> amichai: check out xfce4 or fluxbox
[06:30] <Nalioth> amichai,  i find that kubuntu is a bit snappier then the gnome on my iBook
[06:30] <_linux_newb> what does it show?
[06:30] <_linux_newb> eth1?
[06:30] <ThomasWinwood> eth0 sit0 and lo.
[06:30] <_linux_newb> well, none of those are wireless
[06:30] <Nalioth> amichai, it's kind of weird, as you say, what with the same engine underneath it all
[06:30] <amichai> Nalioth: dont get me wrong, i like kubuntu, just seems different at a deeper level than desktop
[06:31] <amichai> synd: i tried xfce like it lots.
[06:31] <ringmauer> ryman, yes, but can you send me a copy of your repostitories list, because all my ubuntu orig repositories is wrong, my misstake :-/
[06:31] <amichai> synd: never tried fluxbox
[06:31] <synd> fluxbox is quite minimalist
[06:31] <synd> and runs quite well on older machines
[06:31] <Nalioth> amichai, i'm just a poor ol' self-taught user (who can't do nothin on his PPC/linux)
[06:31] <amichai> Nalioth: thats what i mean. its the same engine?
[06:32] <amichai> Nalioth: me too
[06:32] <DaBlade> hello
[06:32] <synd> Nalioth: did you get rid of OSX?
[06:32] <DaBlade> I have a strange apt-get problem
[06:32] <ryman> ringmauer | whats your email ?
[06:32] <DaBlade> can someone help me?
[06:32] <ringmauer> ryman, karlsson.victor@gmail.com
[06:32] <ringmauer> thanks a lot
[06:32] <amichai> DaBlade: just ask, and who wants/can help will
[06:32] <Abe> sorry guys, noob here- Which type of OS is compatible with the widest variety of hardware? I have a wireless networking card that has some pretty crappy drivers.
[06:33] <Nalioth> synd, no i dual boot but rarely use the OSX
[06:33] <karl> windows
[06:33] <synd> Abe: Ubuntu does just fine
[06:33] <busfahrer> Abe: Windows
[06:33] <Abe> it should work with my card?
[06:33] <ryman> ringmauer | np, done
[06:33] <Nalioth> amichai, same guts underneath, i guess KDE is better engineered or something
[06:33] <DaBlade> well whenever I run apt-get update, I get this at the end:
[06:33] <DaBlade> Get:4 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hoary/main Sources [231kB] 
[06:33] <Abe> i have windows
[06:33] <synd> Abe: ever use linux?
[06:33] <DaBlade> 99% [4 Sources gzip 0] 
[06:33] <DaBlade> gzip: stdin: not in gzip format
[06:33] <amichai> karl:how can u possibly recommened windows to anyone? i feel bad when i charge customers for fixing it
[06:33] <DaBlade> Err http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hoary/main Sources
[06:33] <DaBlade>   Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)
[06:33] <karl> easy, it works.
[06:33] <DaBlade> Fetched 4B in 14s (0B/s)
[06:33] <DaBlade> Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary/main/source/Sources.gz  Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)
[06:33] <DaBlade> Reading package lists... Done
[06:33] <DaBlade> E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[06:33] <DaBlade> root@LinuxP2P:/home/dablade #
[06:33] <Abe> lol- i tried dynebolic recently and hated it
[06:34] <karl> you've got to look at what people actually want to do with their computers.
[06:34] <DaBlade> si cab someone help me fix this?
[06:34] <synd> Nalioth: i tried putting Ubuntu on my iBook G4 but the installer went super weird on me
[06:34] <DaBlade> *so can
[06:34] <eli> Anybody: after upgrading to 5.04, do I change all sources to this version?
[06:34] <ringmauer> ryman, tnx alot
[06:34] <amichai> karl: u need to write a howto, cos i never found one amongst my customers that worked. then again it depends on deffinition.
[06:34] <synd> Nalioth: the screen got divided by 4 horizontally and only the left 1/3 of the image was showing
[06:34] <SQL_Sam> is there any open source fax type software?
[06:34] <Mace68> Is there any way to stop nautilus from taking over a blank cd when I insert it?
[06:34] <Fackamato> of course there is
[06:34] <Fackamato> SQL_Sam: google
[06:34] <karl> perhaps for your customers windows wasn't what they needed
[06:35] <Burgundavia> SQL_Sam, look at gfax
[06:35] <Abe> you guys have been a great help. Thanks!
[06:35] <Abe> :-)
[06:35] <synd> Abe: no prob
[06:35] <Burgundavia> Mace68, simple close the window
[06:35] <Burgundavia> Mace68, you can burn it normally
[06:35] <synd> ugh anyone help me with my printer thing?
[06:35] <synd> i have a printer connected to my Apple Airport Express Base Station and it prints wirelessly from my Macs. is there any way to get it to print wirelessly from ubuntu?
[06:36] <abarbaccia> hey guys, anybody get adobe reader working with ubuntu?
[06:36] <karl> how backward compabible is libc6 2.3.4 with 2.3.2?  (ie breezy with hoary)
[06:36] <ryman> abarbaccia | yes
[06:36] <amichai> karl: ok i get u. The point is though that people who want windows are people who generally think that unless u pay for an OS then its crap. Also they hate change, and being different, so they want what everyone else has. Or its just kids who only care about the games. Then again u can sum it up in three words "lazy,lazy,lazy"
[06:36] <Mace68> Burgundavia: What about the "Blank CD-RW Disc" icon that's on the desktop? Does that mean it's somehow mounted?
[06:36] <teced> Guess we have too many questions here, but all I want to know is how can I get Real Player 10 installed on ubuntu 5.04?!
[06:37] <DaBlade> Can someone please help me?
[06:37] <phenotype_> real player sucks
[06:37] <amichai> teced: www.ubuntuguide.com
[06:37] <eli> Anybody: after upgrading to 5.04, do I change all sources to this version?
[06:37] <teced> But the BBC uses Real Player so I have no option...
[06:37] <karl> amichai: I can't help with  your users perspectives, but for a lot of people, windows is the answer.
[06:37] <amichai> or is it .org ?
[06:37] <amichai> www.ubuntuguide.org
[06:37] <karl> for a lot people using windows though, it's not what they should be using
[06:37] <phenotype_> bbc uses a good version of real player actually
[06:37] <DaBlade> Anyone? please
[06:37] <phenotype_> no junk to it
[06:38] <karl> eli: yes.
[06:38] <phenotype_> hold on a sec teced, let me see if i can find something
[06:38] <teced> Yes, it does but I'm having to boot up Windows just so I can receive BBC video news!!
[06:38] <decaf> DaBlade: I haven't see your question
[06:39] <amichai> karl: man all i get from people is "why is this so slow? why do i have porn on my comp? why is that naked icon on my desktop? i dont look at that stuff! whay are my documents missing, why do i get a pop every day saying "ur f$%$"
[06:39] <DaBlade> look up ^
[06:39] <DaBlade> teced: Install Xine, Xine-ui and xine-w32
[06:39] <karl> teced: you couldn't get realplayer 10 from the restrictd formats wiki?
[06:39] <synd> amichai: i hear that
[06:39] <DaBlade> that should make you capable of playing windoze media, realmedia and quicktime
[06:39] <teced> ??? newbee - restricted formats wikki??!!
[06:39] <synd> amichai: i have completely done away with windows
[06:40] <amichai> karl: the only time i saw windows working, was if it was on a closed network with no internet access
[06:40] <phenotype_> you need to get the realplayer codecs, and you can play real on anything
[06:40] <karl> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[06:40] <phenotype_> im trying to find them
[06:40] <teced> Well I want to get rid of windows but his is about the only thing left...
[06:40] <karl> do it anyway you want.
[06:40] <karl> amichai: I used windows pretty much day in day out, and my problems came from the lack of a proper shell.
[06:40] <amichai> synd: me too. i used to have both, but it somehow ended up affecting my linux, it was weird.
[06:40] <karl> but user education sucks
[06:41] <synd> amichai: wow, thats weird
[06:41] <Burgundavia> Mace68, no
[06:41] <synd> amichai: windows is so stupid
[06:41] <Burgundavia> Mace68, well, it is mounted, but nautilus will not touch it unless you say so
[06:41] <synd> amichai: i admit im gonna try out longhorn when it comes around in a few years
[06:41] <teced> I've learned more in the 30 seconds here than hours searching the web.
[06:41] <Nalioth> synd, we apple hardware users are at the end of the line when it comes to dev work
[06:41] <decaf> which app. can download except mplayer? I hate that unstable crap
[06:41] <amichai> karl: ok point taken. if people knew how to use windows it wouldnt be such a security risk, still risky but not as risky, but people who use windows, are of the lazy generation who want everything at no effort.
[06:41] <Burgundavia> Mace68, ie, you can burn with gravemen/coaster etc. to your hearts content and nothing is going to happen
[06:41] <teced> THNAKS Guys and Galls!!!
[06:41] <synd> Nalioth: thats true
[06:41] <teced> Thanks...!
[06:41] <DaBlade> decaf did you find it?
[06:42] <decaf> *can download streams
[06:42] <ryman> whats so special about Longhorn ? why are ppl waiting for it ?
[06:42] <karl> amichai: if all those people start using linux, the same thing's going to happen :)
[06:42] <Nalioth> synd, and that is funny, cuz apple hardware is known stuff (no bllions of combinations like on windoze)
[06:42] <decaf> DaBlade: you look up and see when I joined .
[06:42] <synd> karl: i dont think so
[06:42] <DaBlade> oops... lol
[06:42] <phenotype_> who was looking for real player?
[06:42] <teced> I've found the wikki and will work from that point on.
[06:42] <amichai> karl: not true. that is a mistake many make. "viruses are not common on linux because not many people use linux" the same as for bugs
[06:42] <DaBlade> [18:33]  <DaBlade> well whenever I run apt-get update, I get this at the end:
[06:42] <karl> I'd love to tell you more, but it's time for me to make a bus trip
[06:42] <DaBlade> [18:33]  <DaBlade> Get:4 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hoary/main Sources [231kB] 
[06:42] <karl> *waves*
[06:43] <DaBlade> [18:33]  <DaBlade> 99% [4 Sources gzip 0] 
[06:43] <abarbaccia> ryman how did you go about getting adobe to work?
[06:43] <phenotype_> not sure if this will work, but its worth a try http://www.free-codecs.com/download/Real_Alternative.htm
[06:43] <DaBlade> [18:33]  <DaBlade> gzip: stdin: not in gzip format
[06:43] <DaBlade> [18:33]  <DaBlade> Err http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hoary/main Sources
[06:43] <synd> blade
[06:43] <DaBlade> [18:33]  <DaBlade>  Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)
[06:43] <Ironfrost> amichai - if you're claiming that Linux doesn't have many bugs, you're crazy
[06:43] <abarbaccia> ryman, i'm assuming in hoary?
[06:43] <synd> DaBlade: chill
[06:43] <DaBlade> [18:33]  <DaBlade> Fetched 4B in 14s (0B/s)
[06:43] <DaBlade> [18:33]  <DaBlade> Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary/main/source/Sources.gz Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)
[06:43] <DaBlade> [18:33]  <DaBlade> Reading package lists... Done
[06:43] <DaBlade> [18:33]  <DaBlade> E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[06:43] <DaBlade> [18:33]  <DaBlade> root@LinuxP2P:/home/dablade #
[06:43] <amichai> karl: its total bs! the way windows is made, its like being constantly logged in as root, its a disaster, a self inflicted one by microsoft
[06:43] <ryman> abarbaccia | did you try the www.ubuntuguide.org ?
[06:43] <teced> By the way, I've tried several distros and Ubuntu has been the only one that seems "grown up", stable and able to read my LaCie external drive with no fuss.
[06:43] <DaBlade> umm..lol I'm not angry or anything synd
[06:43] <decaf> DaBlade: don't paste hear, use channel #flood
[06:43] <Ironfrost> or at least, if you're claiming linux distros don't have many bugs
[06:43] <holycow> karl, apache controls 70% of the internet webservers, most vlunerabilities out there are for iis
[06:43] <synd> DaBlade: dont flood
[06:43] <DaBlade> ok sorry
[06:43] <Ironfrost> I'm running into them far more often than on Windows
[06:43] <amichai> Ironfrost: no i'm not. software bugs is something else. I'm talking about spyware and adware
[06:43] <ryman> abarbaccia | http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#acroread
[06:44] <Ironfrost> ah, that sort of bug
[06:44] <Ironfrost> my apologies
[06:44] <holycow> percentage use case is not a good way to think about viruses and such
[06:44] <phenotype_> who was looking for real player 10
[06:44] <teced> ME!!!
[06:44] <ryman> teced
[06:44] <Ironfrost> personally I think the problem isn't quantity of users, it's how skilled they are
[06:44] <Burgundavia> ryman, abarbaccia I would use evince It is free and non contaminated with spyware, which adobe is
[06:44] <amichai> Ironfrost: the one that cause that little girl to end up on www.grannys.com instead of on www.foxkids.com
[06:44] <phenotype_> try this
[06:44] <phenotype_> http://www.free-codecs.com/download/Real_Alternative.htm
[06:44] <Ironfrost> most Linux users would never get spyware or viruses, even on Windows
[06:44] <phenotype_> might work, maybe not
[06:44] <phenotype_> use the codecs
[06:45] <synd> Ironfrost: thats true as well
[06:45] <holycow> Ironfrost, the interaction between users and computers is complex
[06:45] <Nalioth> teced you might also look at the helix project, i think
[06:45] <teced> Thanks phenotype...
[06:45] <phenotype_> yep
[06:45] <ryman> hi Burgundavia
[06:45] <amichai> Ironfrost: the only way i didnt get them on windows is by having so many apps that, in the end my pc is just a spyware defense system
[06:45] <synd> Ironfrost: i have converted many many people to Firefox on windows and have gotten them to use SpybotSnD on a regular basis
[06:45] <teced> Helix won't play RealPlayer format...
[06:45] <holycow> Ironfrost, there is a lot to be said for your point, but as well for having a 'secure by default' platform as well ... at least by design anyway
[06:45] <Burgundavia> ryman, salut
[06:46] <amichai> synd: dont forget the firewall
[06:46] <phenotype_> you can use any medial player, if you have the proper codecs installed
[06:46] <synd> amichai: of course : p
[06:46] <Ironfrost> synd, amichai - I guess that's a good point
[06:46] <Ironfrost> good windows practice mostly consists of "don't use microsoft programs"
[06:46] <synd> does ubuntu have a built in firewall?
[06:46] <amichai> Ironfrost: lol
[06:46] <amichai> Ironfrost: man ur talking to someone who refused to leave windows, until my wife said, get linux, windows is making me miserable
[06:47] <teced> One of the reasons I shifted to linux was the amount of time I spent ensuring that the thing was secure. In the end I must have been using a third of the processor just defending the machine from spyware and viruses. A complete waste of time and money.
[06:47] <holycow> Ironfrost, as funny as that is, it also happens to be true
[06:47] <holycow> amichai, your wife said that?
[06:47] <Ironfrost> heh, I'm in the opposite situation
[06:47] <amichai> Ironfrost: i saw linux as primitive
[06:47] <amichai> holycow: yes
[06:47] <synd> teced: exactly
[06:47] <holycow> don't be spreading that around in geek channels
[06:47] <holycow> :)
[06:47] <Ironfrost> I shifted to Linux, and my girlfriend is trying to get me to convert back
[06:47] <amichai> holycow: lol
[06:47] <DaBlade> ignore her :P
[06:47] <Ironfrost> because there's no MSN client with webcam support
[06:47] <synd> time for a new girlfriend
[06:47] <holycow> Ironfrost, lol, why?
[06:47] <amichai> Ironfrost: what is she missing?
[06:47] <decaf> DaBlade: #'s are ok
[06:47] <holycow> haha
[06:48] <AstralJava> synd: Good one. :)
[06:48] <DaBlade> ironfrost not quite
[06:48] <amichai> Ironfrost: yeah that sucks
[06:48] <DaBlade> look at this
[06:48] <DaBlade> gaim-vv.sf.net
[06:48] <mjr> Ironfrost, tell her to use gnomemeeting :
[06:48] <Nalioth> synd ubuntu is listen-only by default
[06:48] <DaBlade> it's Gaim with video/audio support
[06:48] <Ironfrost> there's GNUmeeting or whatever, but that doesn't talk to MSN
[06:48] <synd> Nalioth: i see
[06:48] <amichai> Ironfrost: but there is a new gaim, dont know much about it, should work
[06:48] <teced> I do a lot of presentations and I've shifted to linux on my mobile with no problems (but only using ubuntu as the other distros couldn't handle hibernation)
[06:48] <Ironfrost> dablade - I'll check that out
[06:48] <ryman> I'm dual booting XP and ubuntu and Ubuntu lag
[06:48] <mjr> Ironfrost, well, it does talk to MS Netmeeting
[06:48] <DaBlade> I think they've temporarily disabled msn support because of some bug
[06:48] <Nalioth> synd, there is a firewall, but if nobody knows your there, whats the point?
[06:48] <DaBlade> but I'm not sure, as I haven't checked out the site in ages, nor do I use it
[06:49] <decaf> gaim's jabber support is also buggy
[06:49] <amichai> teced: so ubuntu is succesful in hibernation?
[06:49] <graabein> anyone care to help me with nvidia drivers...
[06:49] <DaBlade> decaf thanks
[06:49] <decaf> yw
[06:49] <teced> Yes, ubunut hibernates
[06:49] <synd> Nalioth: ah i see.. thats cool. i didnt know that.
[06:49] <holycow> personally, i refuse to chat with anyone on msn
[06:49] <DaBlade> graabein what's the problem?
[06:49] <amichai> ryman: thats the issue i had
[06:49] <holycow> if you have a hotmail account, your a retard, plain and simple
[06:49] <synd> Gaim is the way to go.
[06:49] <amichai> ryman: i had xp and ubuntu, then the internet on ubuntu sucked
[06:49] <graabein> DaBlade, x wont start
[06:49] <holycow> my blacklist is quite extensive :)
[06:49] <holycow> hehe
[06:49] <synd> anything MSN is junko
[06:49] <DaBlade> oh
[06:49] <amichai> ryman: i dont get it to this day
[06:49] <DaBlade> have you edited /etc/X11/xorg.conf properly?
[06:50] <phenotype_> .net (aka) give us you're identity
[06:50] <JaGWiRE```> i liked kopete / gaim if I remember.
[06:50] <graabein> DaBlade, I reinstalled nvidia-glx and ran dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[06:50] <JaGWiRE```> FOr irc, x-chat or irssiii?
[06:50] <amichai> ryman: so i removed all and installed ubuntu and it was all good, never gone back since
[06:50] <DaBlade> no lol
[06:50] <graabein> DaBlade, and i ran nvidia-glx-config enable
[06:50] <Nalioth> my ubuntu doesnt hibernate for sh*t (i'm on a iBook)
[06:50] <ryman> amichai | sometime Ubuntu froze
[06:50] <DaBlade> do it the right way
[06:50] <teced> Well I'm off now - really glad I came across this chat room.
[06:50] <amichai> ryman: right
[06:50] <tanek> ehm, sorry, but how do i start win4lin? :D
[06:50] <ryman> amichai | I need to keep XP for my sis , she can't use Ubuntu
[06:50] <DaBlade> download nVIDIA's .run file, install it, and manually edit xorg.conf
[06:50] <amichai> ryman: its weird but winxp seems to be affecting ubuntu
[06:50] <DaBlade> that's the only way to properly install it
[06:50] <phenotype_> amachi - its a conspiracy
[06:51] <amichai> ryman: why not? teach her
[06:51] <graabein> DaBlade, but i've tried that and i didnt get opengl to work
[06:51] <holycow> DaBlade, ehe, i disagree but i can't argue with peoples choices
[06:51] <graabein> DaBlade, some other guys i've talked with said ubuntu's nvidia drivers were okay
[06:51] <ryman> amichai | she uses MSN and the webcam on MSN
[06:51] <synd> does Ubuntu have any sort of Apple Rendezvous support?
[06:51] <ryman> GAIM doesn't have that
[06:51] <amichai> ryman: get kde and make it look like windows, or even get the XPDE desktop she wont know the difference....maybe.
[06:52] <amichai> ryman: ok someone give him the link for the new gaim with webcam support
[06:52] <holycow> graabein, they work perfect, i've yet to have an issue
[06:52] <amichai> who had it?
[06:52] <holycow> graabein, i even have some dual headds running
[06:52] <gwildor> www.google.com has it
[06:52] <ryman> amichai | webcam support for MSN ?
[06:52] <oby> hy
[06:52] <graabein> holycow, well i cant get it to work... had to put back nv in xorg.conf
[06:52] <oby> hy
[06:52] <oby> i am paolo from italy
[06:52] <gwildor> hi
[06:52] <amichai> ryman: gaim, u know gaim? it works with msn. the new one has webcam support.
[06:52] <holycow> graabein, ubuntus nvidia drivers are simply nvidias binary drivers, packaged with dpkg, so it doesn't bypass the packaging system, you gain nothing by using the .run from nvidia technically
[06:53] <oby> i take the distro
[06:53] <holycow> graabein, what issue are you running into?
[06:53] <ryman> amichai | I didnt' know that
[06:53] <amichai> gwildor: :)
[06:53] <ThomasWinwood> Okay. I got the Actiontec drivers working under ndiswrapper, but I'm getting no wireless connections showing up. What have I forgotten.
[06:53] <oby> i take the distro for powerpc
[06:53] <Ironfrost> ryman: the link is http://gaim-vv.sourceforge.net/
[06:53] <ryman> amichai : if it works , I'm going to dump XP
[06:53] <oby> i take the distro for powerpc
[06:53] <graabein> holycow, well, x wont start. ive copied xorg.0.var (or something)
[06:53] <DaBlade> graabein I've had many bad experiences with using packages (as in rpms/debs) when it comes to nVIDIA drivers
[06:53] <Ironfrost> but the only webcam support is for Yahoo, and it's receive-only
[06:53] <amichai> ryman: http://gaim-vv.sourceforge.net/
[06:53] <DaBlade> sorry, ironfrost... lol
[06:53] <holycow> what do you mean wont start? what error message do you have in your /var/log/xorg file?
[06:53] <gwildor> there it is :)
[06:54] <DaBlade> you can get her to use Yahoo then :P
[06:54] <amichai> Ironfrost: yeah its still kind of primitive.
[06:54] <holycow> graabein, it will tell you there what the problem is
[06:54] <graabein> holycow, lots... i dont know... ill post it on pastebin.com?
[06:54] <Ironfrost> having said that, though, they say that they will add MSN support when another project releases libraries, and that project has at least something out
[06:54] <amichai> Ironfrost: but switching back to windows for that?
[06:54] <holycow> sure
[06:54] <oby> i take the distro for powerpc but on g3 don't boot why ?
[06:54] <Ironfrost> amichai - there was something else as well, but that was just as minor
[06:54] <Ironfrost> a Windows liveCD would be pretty useful about now
[06:54] <amichai> Ironfrost: what else? secret?
[06:55] <Ironfrost> amichai - I can't remember
[06:55] <gwildor> oby, did you hold "c" (i think that's it)
[06:55] <Ironfrost> something nonsense
[06:55] <graabein> http://pastebin.com/276740
[06:55] <amichai> Ironfrost: as long as they add a few bugs and viruses to add the real feel
[06:55] <gwildor> Ironfrost, my thoughts exactly
[06:56] <mrk182> ciao qualcuno  italiano???
[06:56] <holycow> try #ubuntu-it
[06:56] <amichai> Ironfrost: make her an app ;)
[06:57] <amichai> Ironfrost: that would be a nice geeky b-day present
[06:57] <Ironfrost> I have enough trouble installing other people's apps
[06:58] <Ironfrost> I locked myself out of my main user account yesterday by installing an mp3 player
[06:58] <amichai> Ironfrost:  i dont get why linux is primitive when it comes to webcams
[06:58] <amichai> Ironfrost: lol
[06:59] <amichai> Ironfrost: how?
[06:59] <Ironfrost> as far as I know, I don't think there is any standard interface for webcams like there is for most other hardware
[06:59] <Ironfrost> so they all use the vendor's own one
[06:59] <Ironfrost> and are all different
[06:59] <amichai> Ironfrost: yeah but ud think developers would be working hard at it, since its so popular
[06:59] <Ironfrost> amichai - I installed amaroK, and it had to drag in half of KDE
[07:00] <amichai> Ironfrost: whoa, thats weird
[07:00] <Ironfrost> which somehow changed the permissions on a critical file in /home
[07:00] <graabein> holycow, did you find anything?
[07:00] <Ironfrost> .ICEauthority, that's the one
[07:00] <amichai> Ironfrost: how does that make sense?
[07:01] <Ironfrost> I have absolutely no idea
[07:01] <mikerobi> synaptic is telling me that ubuntu-desktop depends on python2.4-pgsql: go figure
[07:01] <Ironfrost> but I asked on here and someone told me that the solution would be to change the permissions on that file
[07:01] <Ironfrost> and I did, and it worked
[07:01] <amichai> Ironfrost: is it just me or is amarok a cpu eater?
[07:01] <holycow> graabein, did you post a link to your pastebin dealy?
[07:02] <graabein> http://pastebin.com/276740
[07:02] <holycow> i'm not about to search all of pastebing for it
[07:02] <holycow> :)
[07:02] <mikerobi> how do I remove a package without removing dependant packages?
[07:02] <Ironfrost> I don't know; the thing still wouldn't work even after I fixed the account, so I removed it
[07:02] <amichai> Ironfrost: thats weird
[07:02] <Ironfrost> very
[07:02] <KaiL> mikerobi: you don't want to do that :)
[07:02] <amichai> i find with kde things crash
[07:02] <amichai> didnt get that in gnome as much
[07:03] <mikerobi> KaiL: so your telling my that ubuntu-desktop really does depend on python postgresql drivers
[07:03] <KaiL> "ubuntu-desktop" is only a metapackage
[07:03] <KaiL> if that depends on something, you don't want to have installed, remove it too
[07:03] <holycow> graabein, are you sure thats all you have in your xorg log file?
[07:04] <holycow> it looks like there should be a lot more
[07:04] <holycow> especially a crash error message
[07:04] <holycow> at the end
[07:04] <mikerobi> KaiL: so removing ubuntu-desktop won't affect anything else?
[07:04] <KaiL> exactly
[07:04] <mikerobi> ahh
[07:04] <graabein> holycow, i rebooted and x didnt start. i waited for a long time and switched console and copied the file
[07:05] <mikerobi> KaiL: so metapackages are only used for installation?
[07:05] <Ironfrost> mikerobi - it doesn't actually do anything, it's just a big list of dependencies
[07:05] <linuxbcn> holas
[07:05] <KaiL> mikerobi: yes
[07:05] <graabein> hola
[07:05] <holycow> KaiL, you can also do apt-get -s remove package name
[07:05] <ryman> amichai | gaim-vv doesn't support MSN
[07:05] <linuxbcn> estoy enloceciendo con el modem en Ubuntu..
[07:05] <holycow> that will 'simulate' what is removed so you can see which packages are affected before proceeding
[07:05] <linuxbcn> si creo distintas ubuicaciones NO me mantiene los datos
[07:05] <holycow> graabein, oh
[07:06] <holycow> graabein, do ou have the console available to you now?
[07:06] <linuxbcn> y al reiniciar/encender me marca la conexion antes de las X!!
[07:06] <amichai> ryman: yeah not yet. i can't deny that this isnt a problem in linux :(
[07:06] <holycow> graabein, if so, do sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[07:06] <holycow> tell me what happens
[07:06] <Ironfrost> linuxbcn - go to #ubuntu-es
[07:06] <ThomasWinwood> Okay. I got the Actiontec drivers working under ndiswrapper, but I'm getting no wireless connections showing up. What have I forgotten?
[07:06] <graabein> holycow, no, i switched back to nv in xorg.conf
[07:06] <amichai> ryman: they're working on it though, maybe u can help?
[07:06] <ryman> amichai : haha I wish I can help
[07:06] <amichai> ryman:u have motivation ;)
[07:07] <tanek> anyone familiar with win4lin?
[07:07] <amichai> ryman: dont laugh man. u'll surprise urself with what ur capable of.
[07:07] <holycow> graabein, do alt/f1, go back to console, kill gdm with /etc/init.d/gdm stop, change nv back to nvidia, do startx, note error, change xorg back to nv and come back in here
[07:07] <c0ntrol> what gcc comes with ubuntu 5.04 ?
[07:07] <holycow> there has to be some type of error message at the end about crashing or some such ...
[07:08] <holycow> oh before you go ...
[07:08] <holycow> i need yo uto check one thing
[07:08] <graabein> okay...
[07:08] <c0ntrol> anybody using ubuntu here?
[07:08] <KaiL> c0ntrol: lol
[07:08] <Fackamato> gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-8ubuntu2)
[07:08] <c0ntrol> thanks
[07:08] <holycow> oh wait the native xorg file does not contain any unnecessary modules .. no just try that and let me know what happens
[07:08] <c0ntrol> :)
[07:09] <Fackamato> np
[07:09] <ryman> amichai: I would be surprise if I can help
[07:09] <linuxbcn> Ironfrost, sorry
[07:09] <ThomasWinwood> Okay. I got the Actiontec drivers working under ndiswrapper, but I'm getting no wireless connections showing up. What have I forgotten?
[07:09] <amichai> ryman: thats the attitude :)
[07:10] <graabein> holycow, thanks man... here goes...
[07:10] <KaiL> ThomasWinwood: too much networks?
[07:10] <ryman> amichai : I have alot of thing to learn like first programming language
[07:10] <Ironfrost> linuxbcn - sorry, I was probably a bit rude there
[07:10] <ryman> and english
[07:10] <amichai> ryman: so start.
[07:10] <amichai> ryman: whats ur native language?
[07:10] <ThomasWinwood> KaiL: Care to explain further?
[07:10] <trans_err>  mplayer: relocation error: /usr/lib/libavcodec.so.0: undefined symbol: NeAACDecOpen
[07:10] <ryman> amichai : vietnamese
[07:10] <jon_> exit
[07:10] <trans_err> anyone else getting that?
[07:10] <KaiL> maybe you need to set the essid manually
[07:11] <amichai> ryman: so start translating apps into vietnamese
[07:11] <ryman> amichai: which one should I start on ? Python ?
[07:11] <amichai> ryman: u want to learn python?
[07:11] <amichai> ryman: so learn python.
[07:11] <ThomasWinwood> KaiL: command to do that?
[07:11] <Zerboxx> I'm having a ALSA sound issue, anyone able to lend me a hand?
[07:11] <ryman> amichai : people recommended that
[07:11] <Nalioth> l8r folks
[07:12] <Keito> i have two HDDs, one sized 200GB and another one sized 160GB. i'm wondering how much space i should set up for the system root of those 160GB. would 10-20GB be alright, or is that too little?
[07:12] <KaiL> ThomasWinwood: I guess, you did 'ifconfig wlan0 up"?
[07:12] <ThomasWinwood> There's no wlan0 to up.
[07:12] <amichai> ryman: man, only if it motivates u. if u enjoy learning it, that doesn mean smiling like an idiot everytime u read about it, it means u get satisfaction when u apply it, then go for it.
[07:12] <ThomasWinwood> That's the problem.
[07:13] <KaiL> it is after that line ;)
[07:13] <ThomasWinwood> "No such device".
[07:13] <KaiL> eh, the 'ndiswrapper' kernel module is loaded?
[07:13] <ThomasWinwood> Yep.
[07:14] <larsrohdin> i need help installing gaim-vv... i've done tar xzvpf gaim-vv-1.2.0.tar.gz and then cd gaim-vv-1.2.0, and then when i do make it says "no makefile found"... im a bit new to isntalling things from source...
[07:14] <fraco> #ubuntu-it
[07:14] <KaiL> hmm
[07:14] <fraco> ciao ragazzi
[07:14] <fraco> sono nuovo di ubuntu!
[07:14] <larsrohdin> i did ./configure too...
[07:14] <fraco> e avrei bisogno di qualche dritta
[07:15] <Keito> larsrohdin, did that output errors?
[07:15] <larsrohdin> ./configure no... only make
[07:15] <Keito> hmm
[07:15] <Keito> did you apt-get the basic compilers?
[07:15] <fraco> e avrei bisogno di qualche dritta!!c' qualcuno che mi puo' aiutare?
[07:16] <ThomasWinwood> fraco: /join #ubuntu-it
[07:16] <fraco> thanks!
[07:16] <ThomasWinwood> np
[07:17] <Keito> sooo... would anyone like to give me a hint about partition-sizes?
[07:17] <ThomasWinwood> KaiL: Any idea?
[07:17] <larsrohdin> Keito, the what?
[07:17] <graabein> holycow, skipping /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libfb.a:fbmmx.o
[07:17] <KaiL> I'm just reading the install howto again ;)
[07:17] <graabein> holycow, no symbols found
[07:17] <ThomasWinwood> Ah.
[07:17] <fitheach> Keito, don't partition besides the actual requirement of a swap partition? :)
[07:18] <holycow> graabein, what instructions did you follow to install the drivers?
[07:18] <holycow> graabein, just curious if you used the ones on the ubuntu website?
[07:18] <holycow> graabein, can you post the updated xorg log file to pastebin now?
[07:18] <Keito> fitheach: hmmmm... well, I thought I'd have the system on a separate partition in case of system hangup and the like
[07:18] <graabein> holycow, just apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-5-386 nvidia-glx
[07:19] <holycow> oh thats not enough
[07:19] <larsrohdin> Keito, the basic compilers, whats the packages name?
[07:19] <xena> build-esentials
[07:19] <fitheach> Keito, okay. I see. I basically think, partitioning is evil cause I experienced it as a restriction all the time.
[07:19] <graabein> holycow, then i booted and dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and nvidia-glx-config enable
[07:19] <holycow> graabein, go to the ubuntu website, search for isntalling binary drivers nvidia ...
[07:19] <holycow> uninstall your packages, then reinstall with their instructions
[07:19] <Keito> fitheach: haha, i see. a friend told me that 40-50GB for the system root is a wiser solution
[07:19] <ish> using apt, or synaptic can I see what source a package is coming from?
[07:20] <graabein> holycow, hmmmm... i've already tried that and somehow opengl wouldnt work
[07:20] <KaiL> ThomasWinwood: is the device listed in iwconfig?
[07:20] <ThomasWinwood> No.
[07:20] <Keito> i'm not sure, because another friend said 10GB should do o.o
[07:20] <graabein> holycow, and xmms just gives me segmentation fault
[07:20] <holycow> graabein, okay post yoru xorg file to pastebin, i want to see if there are any new error messages
[07:21] <fitheach> Keito, sure it is an option.
[07:21] <graabein> holycow, http://pastebin.com/276759
[07:22] <Keito> fitheach, guess i'll have to decide myself then.
[07:22] <fitheach> Keito, well...
[07:22] <KaiL> ThomasWinwood: you have installed the .inf? (ndiswrapper -i <file>)?
[07:22] <graabein> holycow, hmmm, thats the one with nv, not nvidia
[07:23] <ttrout> do you have to do anything special in ubuntu to get tftpd-hpa to work? I setup the file in /etc/default to be enabled, but it doesn't act right when I try starting the service
[07:23] <Zerboxx> I'm trying to follow instructions on getting ALSA to work with my sndcard, but I just got a "no acceptable C Compiler found" error, what should I do?
[07:23] <graabein> holycow, didnt "Skipping /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libfb.a:fbmmx.o : No symbols found" tell you anything?
[07:23] <holycow> (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (NVIDIA X driver not found)
[07:23] <holycow> no
[07:23] <fitheach> Keito, basically there are the one partition guys like me. then we have the 100MB /boot and the rest on a parition guys. And then we have the people using seperate partitions for /usr, /home, /var, /boot, etc. pp. Partitioning is almost as much a holy grail then the emacs vs vi discussion. sorry, you have to decide on your own.
[07:23] <holycow> but the above statement does
[07:23] <holycow> graabein, sec
[07:24] <CruX> ubuntu is based on debian ?
[07:24] <graabein> holycow, yes, but that's with nv, not ubuntu's nvidia...
[07:24] <graabein> CruX, yep
[07:24] <gwildor> crux yes
[07:24] <KaiL> Cred: yes
[07:24] <KaiL> eh, CruX
[07:24] <Zerboxx> any help with configuring?
[07:25] <GarySaved> I have two hard drives.  The first 60G drive is root.  The second has a 1G swap, then the rest for /home
[07:25] <ttrout> anyone able to help with tftpd-hpa? :)
[07:25] <ThomasWinwood> KaiL: yes.
[07:26] <holycow> graabein, wow that is strange ... okay what happens when you try to startx or do /etc/init.d/gdm restart with 'nvidia' variable?  it just hangs? doesn't do anything?
[07:27] <graabein> holycow, it hangs and flimmers for a while...then i get a console with: i cannot start the x server. likely not set up correctly... and the mentioned: Skipping /usr/X11R6... thing
[07:28] <KaiL> ThomasWinwood: what says ndiswrapper -l?
[07:29] <ish> Where can I get a list of the hoary apt repositories (more or less a default sources.list file).
[07:30] <Zerboxx> It appears that ALSA 1.0.8 doesn't support my soundcard, is it possible to work around it?
[07:30] <Burgundavia> ish, you already have a default list on your machine
[07:30] <Burgundavia> ish, the only thing you need to add is the nerim.net marilliat repo
[07:30] <ish> Burgundavia: say I fudged it up...
[07:30] <KaiL> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary main restricted universe
[07:30] <KaiL> full hoary :)
[07:31] <holycow> graabein, i'm running short on time and ideas right now .. i'm sorry
[07:31] <ish> and security? updates? etc..
[07:32] <KaiL> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary-security main restricted universe
[07:32] <KaiL> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary-updates main restricted universe
[07:32] <holycow> graabein, i don't get the sense that anything is particularly going wrong beyond a config/setup issue i just cant locate it right now
[07:32] <holycow> i'll try to help when i come back
[07:32] <ish> I just want to copy in a default one..
[07:33] <ish> And what is the difference between security and updates.. COuldn't find that in the docs
[07:33] <graabein> holycow, okay thanks... catch you some other time maybe!
[07:38] <Burgundavia> ish, that is being hashed out right now
[07:38] <buckinbuck> I am having trouble getting the Exchange Connector in Evolution to work since the upgrade to hoary.  Can someone please tell me the correct format of the OWA Url field?
[07:39] <ztonzy> repositres are slow ?
[07:40] <ThomasWinwood> KaiL: ndiswrapper -l says the driver is present.
[07:40] <KaiL> and the device?
[07:40] <ThomasWinwood> Eh?
[07:41] <KaiL> normally it should tell you also that the device is present there
[07:42] <ThomasWinwood> Nope, just "driver present".
[07:42] <KaiL> is the wlan a pcmcia card?
[07:42] <ThomasWinwood> No.
[07:42] <ThomasWinwood> USB.
[07:42] <KaiL> try reconnecting..
[07:43] <ThomasWinwood> Unplugged and reconnected...
[07:43] <SidOut> hi
[07:43] <ThomasWinwood> Nada.
[07:43] <_linux_newb> check dmesg for any output
[07:43] <SidOut> someone use ububtu on ppc?
[07:43] <ThomasWinwood> dmesg reports USB device connected.
[07:44] <_linux_newb> i have never used a usb wireless device
[07:44] <_linux_newb> have you searched google for help?
[07:45] <ThomasWinwood> Yes. Nothing too helpful.
[07:45] <_linux_newb> have you looked on linux compatable?
[07:45] <ThomasWinwood> Link?
[07:46] <ThomasWinwood> The ndiswrapper page says that it should work.
[07:46] <_linux_newb> http://www.linuxcompatible.org/
[07:46] <_linux_newb> hmm
[07:48] <ThomasWinwood> Linux Compatible lists only an external modem by Actiontec.
[07:49] <Levander>  I've read about some Industrial-Charcoal theme that's supposed to be on art.gnome.org, but can't find it.  Anybody know where I can get it?
[07:49] <randabis> check gnome-look.org
[07:49] <_linux_newb> ThomasWinwood, i wish i could be of more assistance, but i will keep and eye out
[07:50] <ThomasWinwood> k
[07:50] <phenotype_> anyone know where i can get an xmms installer
[07:50] <tanek> rpmseek.com
[07:50] <Levander> randabis: just did a search for "charcoal" on that site.  Nothing.
[07:50] <randabis> fwiw, the chipset name may be more useful than the brand name for wireless cards
[07:51] <k31th> yo
[07:51] <phenotype_> tanek, that for me?
[07:51] <randabis> phenotype_: why not just use apt/synaptic?
[07:51] <tanek> yeah
[07:51] <Justin> phenotype_: wtf is an xmms installer?
[07:51] <phenotype_> thx
[07:51] <ThomasWinwood> randabis: It's a Prism one.
[07:52] <tanek> how do i start win4lin? :$
[07:52] <randabis> ThomasWinwood: the ubuntu wiki has some entries that may help
[07:52] <ThomasWinwood> As I say it's listed on ndiswrapper's page as working.
[07:52] <phenotype_> do you prefer a xmms package justin?
[07:52] <randabis> prism 2 chipsets have native linux support iirc
[07:53] <ThomasWinwood> All the wiki entries I've seen assume the wireless entry has just appeared automagically.
[07:53] <k31th> Is hoary stable and released ?
[07:53] <randabis> k31th: yes, and yes
[07:54] <k31th> nice
[07:54] <k31th> thanks
[07:54] <Choubaka> Apt-get update gives me this: "W: GPG error: http://ftp.debian.org unstable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY F1D53D8C4F368D5D" However, debian-keyring is installed, and I have apt-key add:ed debian-role-keys.gpg; Seems like the key I need isn't in there, and I don't know where else it could be. Suggestions?
[07:54] <shad0w1e> does anyone here know if it is possible to "clean install" kde, while maintaining the rest of my linux configuration?
[07:54] <Choubaka> shad0w1e: why do you wish that?
[07:54] <kkathman> shad0w1e: yes, install hoary first, then apt-get kubuntu-desktop
[07:55] <randabis> heh
[07:55] <k31th> gonna build my sister a pc tonight, gonna put hoary on it...
[07:55] <dazzed>  /quit
[07:55] <tanek> is there an unstable release going on? :D
[07:55] <randabis> is she comfortahle with linux k31th?
[07:56] <randabis> tanek: not currently. There's testing (breezy) though
[07:56] <shad0w1e> my KDE is totally mashed. konqueror crashes like every two seconds
[07:56] <k31th> randabis: she will be :)
[07:56] <shad0w1e> I "HAD" kubuntu-desktop
[07:56] <shad0w1e> now it turned into plain KDE
[07:56] <k31th> not hard she needs a browser and amsn or gaim
[07:56] <shad0w1e> like when I click the K button, on the side it says KDE 3.4 -- not kubuntu-desktop, even though kubuntu-desktop is installed
[07:57] <shad0w1e> so Id like to totally get rid of kde and all its personalisations if i could, then reinstall it. is that posible?
[07:57] <ThomasWinwood> I'm positive it's a setting in a file I've forgotten to add.
[07:57] <oby> ciao
[07:58] <randabis> shad0w1e: you'd need to locate all the kde packages, --purge remove them, and then reinstall them
[07:58] <shad0w1e> so is there any way to delete kde in such a way that all of its personalisations and settings and memory of it ever being there.... will be GONE?
[07:59] <HiddenWolf> I've got ubuntu as my default OS on /dev/sda, and just hung in a hdd with winxp on /dev/hda, how do edit grub so I can boot to it?
[07:59] <shad0w1e> randabis: any easy way of doing that?
[07:59] <randabis> shad0w1e: deborphan and/or debfoster could help
[07:59] <_linux_newb> HiddenWolf, what?
[08:00] <Choubaka> randabis: why should he reinstall them?
[08:00] <shad0w1e> randabis: thanks
[08:00] <Choubaka> the packages aren't broken.
[08:00] <Choubaka> :|
[08:00] <chimaera> hi, i have problems some buttons and the scrollwheel of  my logitech bluetooth MX 900 working. i tried to edit xorg.conf accorfingly, but to no avail.
[08:00] <ThomasWinwood> Okay, for shits and giggles I'm going to see if rebooting helps.
[08:00] <randabis> Choubaka: because that's what he said he wanted to do
[08:00] <_linux_newb> hello mainer
[08:00] <dave> help!! I can't get my standalone network printer setup in ubuntu. What should I do?
[08:01] <HiddenWolf> linux_newb, I've just added a secondary disk, installed windows on it, and I'd like to know how to set up grub so it'll detect windows, and allow me to boot into it
[08:01] <mainer> hey,newb
[08:01] <dave> I can't seem to figure out what url is needed in the printer admin
[08:01] <chimaera> HiddenWolf: man grub and man grub.conf, IIRC, there's an example.
[08:02] <randabis> HiddenWolf: ubuntuguide.org may be of some assistance
[08:04] <dave> I'm entering the ip address of the printer as well as the queue name in the form of ipp://192.168.0.25/print. What am I doing wrong
[08:04] <da_didi> i have a short question: I just installed ubunto and i am used to use debian unstable :) Are there many/all packages diffrent from the normal debian paket servers?
[08:05] <takato> joder
[08:05] <takato> tampoco me funciona el doom3
[08:05] <takato> vamos, no se ni coo tenia esperanzas de que me funcionase...
[08:05] <k31th> ubuntu
[08:05] <takato> joder, no me funciona nada de nada
[08:05] <takato> vaya mierda
[08:06] <HiddenWolf> randabis, I've added the example from the menu.lst to my list, but it won't boot into it. I was assuming that since /dev/sda is hd0,0, /dev/hda/ would be hd0.0
[08:06] <HiddenWolf> 1,0, sorruy
[08:06] <HiddenWolf> -u
[08:06] <buckinbuck>  I am having trouble getting the Exchange Connector in Evolution to work since the upgrade to hoary.  Can someone please tell me the correct format of the OWA Url field?  OWA works in my browser, and I can use IMAP, but I was using the connector prior to upgrade flawlessly.
[08:07] <randabis> hda1 should = 0,0
[08:07] <randabis> hd0,0
[08:07] <HiddenWolf> randabis, that's what the line that just booted me into ubuntu says too. :)
[08:07] <HiddenWolf> title		Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.10-5-k7
[08:07] <HiddenWolf> root		(hd0,0)
[08:07] <randabis> hmm
[08:08] <bluefoxicy> http://live.gnome.org/MemoryReduction_2fJohnEduardoEmail  :)
[08:08] <randabis> well the fact that you are using sata probably changes things
[08:08] <randabis> I haven't had a setup with both before so I'm not sure
[08:08] <HiddenWolf> I'll keep messing.
[08:08] <HiddenWolf> I'll try hd0,0
[08:09] <HiddenWolf> thanks
[08:09] <randabis> don't forget chainloader, savedefault, etc
[08:09] <Zym0tiC> he people, is there somebody who can help me with tv-out?
[08:11] <WeirdAl> Hello!
[08:11] <Zym0tiC> i can see my desktop on my tv, but when i play a dvd i only see a black box in totem, i know that in windows you have to change you're primaire device but can't get that fixed in ubuntu
[08:11] <randabis> hi
[08:11] <randabis> Zym0tiC: do you have libdvdcss2?
[08:12] <WeirdAl> OK so I've installed php4 and php4-mysql and requisites but it's not recognising mysql_connect() and other functions. The obvious solution is that I need to restart the PHP server but I don't know how. So my question is how?
[08:12] <WeirdAl> :-)
[08:12] <randabis> possibly a script in /etc/init.d
[08:12] <k31th> the question is always how..
[08:12] <randabis> maybe something like /etc/init.d/php restart
[08:12] <WeirdAl> question is usually why!
[08:12] <Zym0tiC> randabis, jup i have installed that, i can see the movie on my monitor but not on my tv
[08:13] <randabis> ah
[08:13] <zxc> why does firefox keep fuggin exiting for no reason >_<
[08:13] <claint> was it "update-rc.d -f alsa remove" to remove alsa from init.d scripts?
[08:13] <Seveas> zxc, run it from a terminal and see what the error is
[08:13] <zxc> seveas, how do I do that?
[08:13] <Zym0tiC> in windows i have to switch my primaire device to tv, i have a ati 9200 se vga card
[08:13] <Seveas> claint, yes, but it will be restored when alsa is upgraded
[08:14] <randabis> zxe type firefox in a terminal
[08:14] <Seveas> zxc, open a terminal and type in 'firefox' (without the '')
[08:14] <randabis> maybe mozills-firefox
[08:14] <claint> Seveas: hmm. ok.
[08:14] <WeirdAl> There's nothing PHP-related in init.d
[08:14] <WeirdAl> There's apache2 and mysql but no php
[08:14] <Seveas> there shouldn't be
[08:14] <Seveas> php is an apache module on ubuntu
[08:14] <WeirdAl> ah
[08:14] <Seveas> no separate service (it cannot be that even)
[08:14] <WeirdAl> So I restart apache
[08:15] <WeirdAl> Success!
[08:15] <WeirdAl> Seveas wins the internet.
[08:15] <Seveas> lol
[08:15] <Seveas> :)
[08:15] <WeirdAl> :-)
[08:16] <Dmost_rglAr> alguien habla espaol
[08:16] <Seveas> Dmost_rglAr, #ubuntu-es por favor
[08:16] <Dmost_rglAr> alguien habla espaol
[08:16] <takato> yo
[08:17] <WeirdAl> low fat is a flavour?
[08:17] <zxc> Error in Firefox:
[08:17] <phenotype_> flavor
[08:17] <zxc> perminder@ubuntu:~$ firefox
[08:17] <zxc> LoadPlugin: failed to initialize shared library /opt/realplayer/mozilla/nphelix.so [/opt/realplayer/mozilla/nphelix.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory] 
[08:17] <zxc> NP_Initialize
[08:17] <zxc> New
[08:17] <zxc> SetWindow
[08:17] <zxc> Segmentation fault
[08:17] <Dmost_rglAr> takato de donde sos?
[08:18] <WeirdAl> Dmost_rglAr, va en #ubuntu-es por espanol.
[08:18] <phenotype_> zxc are you trying to run realplayer
[08:18] <Dmost_rglAr> ok thanks
[08:18] <Seveas> zxc, so it's a realplayer issue
[08:19] <kaoD> zxc maybe reinstalling realplayer
[08:19] <phenotype_> do you have realplayer codecs installed?
[08:19] <kaoD> did you move the plugin to the firefox's plugins directory ?
[08:19] <kaoD> it must stay at realplayer's dir
[08:21] <larsrohdin> ok, now i've installed gaim-vv... my first source installation, tell me im the best!... but a get the error "Missing protocol plugin" when i try to login, i know it has to do with msn but how do i get that plugin?
[08:21] <Seveas> larsrohdin, did you ./configure it in?
[08:21] <phenotype_> you're the best
[08:21] <Seveas> i believe you need to specify which protocols to compile when configuring
[08:21] <larsrohdin> Seveas, yeah
[08:21] <Seveas> hmm, then i don't know, sorry :)
[08:22] <larsrohdin> i can't select my protocol, like in the old gaim...
[08:22] <zxc> Seveas, I don't think it's a realplayer issue, as that's when it first opens up and it's always been like that. I think it's the segmentation thing as firefox shows no error just closes by itself
[08:22] <zxc> the realplayer error is just on open
[08:22] <shad0w1e> anyone experienced with setting up dual display? I have the dual display working, but when I maximize a window, it maximizes across both, --- not what I want
[08:22] <Seveas> zxc lol :)
[08:22] <Seveas> that the pugin is missing causes the segfault i think
[08:23] <zxc> seveas, ah k, any ideas how I can install realplayer sucessfully x_x
[08:23] <Seveas> zxc, no idea at all, i don't use it (or have ever)
[08:23] <zxc> Seveas, damn BBC, why couldn't they use something better other then real >_<
[08:23] <zxc> I'll try and find how to reinstall
[08:24] <Seveas> good luck!
[08:24] <zxc> I'll need it :P
[08:25] <TheAlchemist> re
[08:25] <Seveas> mi fa sol la si
[08:25] <TheAlchemist> gh
[08:25] <Seveas> ijklm
[08:25] <TheAlchemist> un musicista
[08:25] <Seveas> not really :)
[08:25] <TheAlchemist> ah, ok
[08:26] <TheAlchemist> :)
[08:26] <Seveas> I just like the sound of music :)
[08:26] <d0n_muDdaH> hi
[08:26] <Seveas> guten tag
[08:26] <TheAlchemist> see you
[08:26] <TheAlchemist> :*
[08:26] <d0n_muDdaH> yea deutsche
[08:26] <Seveas> nah, man spricht englisch hier :)
[08:26] <d0n_muDdaH> damn :P
[08:26] <d0n_muDdaH> who cares ;)
[08:26] <Seveas> :)
[08:28] <amichai> anyone here switched to ubuntu from kubuntu?
[08:29] <d0n_muDdaH> kannst du mir sagen warum  "sudo apt-get install language-support-de" net funzt?
[08:29] <mario> Include ubuntu any app to setup grub?
[08:29] <Seveas> mario, you can easily set it up with a simple editor
[08:29] <Seveas> d0n_muDdaH, no idea
[08:29] <Seveas> maybe if you say what the error is :)
[08:30] <amichai> d0n_muDdaH: sudo apt-cache search language-support
[08:30] <amichai> Seveas: eine buchstabbe kann flasch sein
[08:30] <d0n_muDdaH> thomas@ubuntu:~$ sudo apt-get install language-support-de
[08:30] <d0n_muDdaH> Paketlisten werden gelesen... Fertig
[08:30] <d0n_muDdaH> Abhngigkeitsbaum wird aufgebaut... Fertig
[08:30] <d0n_muDdaH> Paket language-support-de ist nicht verfgbar, wird aber von einem anderen
[08:30] <d0n_muDdaH> Paket referenziert. Das kann heien, dass das Paket fehlt, dass es veraltet
[08:30] <d0n_muDdaH> ist oder nur aus einer anderen Quelle verfgbar ist.
[08:30] <d0n_muDdaH> E: Paket language-support-de hat keinen Installationskandidaten
[08:30] <Seveas> amichai, i am not native german, sorry :)
[08:30] <amichai> Seveas: sorry that was not for u
[08:30] <amichai> Seveas: lol
[08:30] <A-L-P-H-A> anyone in here fimiliar with setting up xmodmap?
[08:31] <mario> Seveas, yes, I know, but a end user an text editor can produce a shock! :>
[08:31] <Seveas> d0n_muDdaH, are you on hoary?
[08:31] <amichai> d0n_muDdaH: has du die xtra repositaries?
[08:31] <shad0w1e> anyone know how to switch my default window manager to enlightenment?
[08:31] <d0n_muDdaH> was fr dinger?
[08:31] <Seveas> amichai, nicht benotigt
[08:31] <Seveas> amicha, l-s-de ist in main
[08:32] <randabis> shad0w1e: you'd have to edit the preferences of your display manager
[08:32] <amichai> Seveas: ok i'll leave it up to, i thought he was chatting german and no one was getting him
[08:32] <d0n_muDdaH> oh man
[08:32] <shad0w1e> randabis: how?
[08:32] <shad0w1e> I'm using KDM
[08:33] <d0n_muDdaH> sudo apt-cache search language-support <- macht er auch findet aber keine updates
[08:33] <randabis> kde control center I believe
[08:33] <d0n_muDdaH> verdammt
[08:33] <Seveas> d0n_muDdaH, try apt-get update
[08:33] <d0n_muDdaH> vergesst den letzten post thx
[08:33] <amichai> d0n_muDdaH: ubuntu ist nicht auf deutsch jetzt?
[08:33] <d0n_muDdaH> teilw.
[08:33] <d0n_muDdaH> firefox zb nicht
[08:33] <randabis> hmm, maybe not
[08:33] <d0n_muDdaH> und andere kleinere sachen
[08:33] <Seveas> amichai, l-s-de isn;t needed for that
[08:34] <amichai> d0n_muDdaH: firefox musst du auf deutsch installieren
[08:34] <Seveas> indeed, for firefox it is
[08:34] <amichai> Seveas: is he having a german issue or a firefox german issue?
[08:34] <shad0w1e> im in there... do you maybe remember anything more specific?
[08:34] <Seveas> amichai, he wants to install language-support-de...
[08:35] <Seveas> d0n_muDdaH, have you tried apt-get update?
[08:35] <amichai> Seveas: ah ok
[08:35] <d0n_muDdaH> jep
[08:35] <travisnux> what is the comman to restart server-x ??
[08:35] <d0n_muDdaH> nottn updated
[08:35] <travisnux> please
[08:35] <shad0w1e> transinux: just press control+alt+<-
[08:35] <dr_willis> travisnux,  you mean 'startx' ?
[08:35] <Seveas> trans_err, ctrl-alt-backspace :)
[08:35] <d0n_muDdaH> seveas
[08:35] <Seveas> travisnux, i meant*
[08:35] <d0n_muDdaH> check ma http://www.ubuntuusers.de/wiki/installation:sprache
[08:35] <d0n_muDdaH> so hab ich das versucht
[08:35] <d0n_muDdaH> aber der machz net
[08:36] <d0n_muDdaH> der spack
[08:36] <Seveas> d0n_muDdaH, in a terminl type cat /etc/issue and paste the results here
[08:37] <amichai> can anyone tell me how they got limewire to work now without having to add the script that tells it where to find the java?
[08:37] <d0n_muDdaH> hlst mich shco fr bld oder :D
[08:37] <d0n_muDdaH> thomas@ubuntu:~$ cat /etc/issue
[08:37] <d0n_muDdaH> Ubuntu 5.04 "Hoary Hedgehog" \n \l
[08:37] <d0n_muDdaH> seitdem ich das ding hab nur probs
[08:37] <d0n_muDdaH> NUR PROBS
[08:38] <zicobit> hello
[08:38] <Seveas> d0n_muDdaH, strange, works fine here
[08:38] <zicobit> anyone's can install swscanner in ubuntu?
[08:38] <Seveas> d0n_muDdaH, have you altered your sources.list?
[08:38] <d0n_muDdaH> altered?
[08:38] <Seveas> edited
[08:38] <Seveas> added universe or backports or something
[08:38] <d0n_muDdaH> net das ich wsste
[08:39] <Seveas> hmm
[08:39] <d0n_muDdaH> poste mal den beehl den du verwendest
[08:39] <d0n_muDdaH> hargenau
[08:39] <d0n_muDdaH> *befehl
[08:41] <Seveas> apt-get update
[08:41] <Seveas> sudo apt-get update
[08:41] <UnreA|L> X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your ins                                                                           tallation and add the correct paths!
[08:42] <UnreA|L> Where is X path ?
[08:42] <Seveas> UnreA|L, you need some packages :)
[08:42] <chillywilly> you need X -dev package
[08:42] <Seveas> what are you trying to install?
[08:42] <UnreA|L> Kbear im trying install
[08:42] <UnreA|L> ;)
[08:42] <UnreA|L> how i can get X -dev package
[08:42] <Seveas> isn't it available as deb?
[08:42] <Seveas> xlibs-dev
[08:43] <t3rror> anyone here use tightVNC?
[08:43] <Seveas> and probably you need more devlibs :)
[08:43] <UnreA|L> with apt ?
[08:43] <randabis> lol george bush is funny
[08:43] <Seveas> UnreA|L, yes
[08:43] <randabis> OMG USE HIGH EFFICIENCY LIGHT BULBZ LOLZ
[08:43] <Seveas> sudo apt-get install xlibs-dev
[08:43] <UnreA|L> apt-get instal ....
[08:43] <thundrcleeze> funny in a scary way?
[08:43] <UnreA|L> i dont know who write ?
[08:44] <randabis> lolz use hybrid cars u save moneyz lol!!!11oneoneone
[08:44] <UnreA|L> apt-get install X-dev
[08:44] <UnreA|L> ?
[08:44] <UnreA|L> ;/
[08:44] <Seveas> sudo apt-get install xlibs-dev
[08:44] <Seveas> in a terminal :)
[08:44] <randabis> he's probably never even heard of propane powered engines
[08:44] <d0n_muDdaH> seveas ich wil ja net updaten sondern das deutsche language support installen
[08:44] <UnreA|L> thanks
[08:45] <Seveas> d0n_muDdaH, apt-get update updated nur die listen von softwarepakete die du downloaden kannst
[08:45] <dr_willis> ive seen propane and CNG powered engines. on tractors.
[08:45] <thundrcleeze> I'm all for alternative energy, as long as it's responsible - not the nucular power crap he's pushing now.
[08:45] <Seveas> (and sorry for my bad german)
[08:45] <dr_willis> heck i saw an old tractor powered by Paraffin. (candle wax)
[08:46] <Beano> Hi
[08:46] <UnreA|L> whats best ftp client for ubuntu you use ?
[08:46] <Seveas> UnreA|L, built in ftp support for nautilus or else gftp
[08:46] <Seveas> i like the former though :)
[08:47] <dr_willis> 'mc' can do ftp also.
[08:47] <Beano> I just use the command line :)
[08:47] <UnreA|L> if i want to download mc with apt-get
[08:47] <Seveas> nautiluscan also do ssh, webdav and smb
[08:47] <Seveas> mc is nice :)
[08:47] <UnreA|L> what i must edit in source.list ?
[08:47] <Seveas> UnreA|L, nothing
[08:47] <Beano> should be in the basic repositories i think
[08:48] <Beano> i dunno :)
[08:48] <Seveas> just type "sudo apt-get install mc" in a terminal
[08:48] <UnreA|L> i cant download mc with apt-get
[08:48] <Seveas> UnreA|L, sorry, you need to have universe enabled
[08:48] <UnreA|L> mc package cannot be found..
[08:48] <Beano> has anyone here got streamtuner/stremripper installed on hoary
[08:48] <Linforcer> hey how do is et which port the remote desktop uses?
[08:48] <shad0w1e> hi, does anyone here know how I would be able to switch my default window manager to enlightenment?
[08:48] <Seveas> UnreA|L, see the ubuntuguide.org on how to add repositories
[08:48] <Beano> UnreA|L, enable your universe repositiory and try it
[08:48] <Beano> or osmething
[08:48] <randabis> I have Kstreamripper working
[08:48] <Seveas> Linforcer, windows remote desktop?
[08:48] <Linforcer> >.>
[08:49] <Seveas> that's 3389
[08:49] <UnreA|L> in source.list i must remove # symbol ? true ?
[08:49] <Beano> randabis, basically ... i just apt-get'd streamtuner/ripper
[08:49] <Linforcer> Seveas, no, I in #ubuntu
[08:49] <Linforcer> Seveas so I mean the ubuntu one
[08:49] <d0n_muDdaH> Seveas ur german good, but i think that soenst help me in here, ill try my luck with another way :(
[08:49] <Beano> UnreA|L, yeah that uncomments the line ... find the universe repository and take away the # from the two lines
[08:49] <Seveas> d0n_muDdaH, i think your package lists aren't up to date
[08:49] <Seveas> so you cannot find it
[08:50] <UnreA|L> Okey ;)
[08:50] <Seveas> that's why i suggest updating the lists
[08:50] <Beano> :-) im a bit of a linux noob ... but im learning anyway
[08:50] <Seveas> Linforcer, there are several ways to do that, what kind of remote desktop do you use?
[08:50] <Linforcer> Seveas the one that I get to by default in > System > Preferences > remote desktop
[08:50] <Beano> I looked on the ubuntu wiki about getting streamripper working ... but theres no entry for it in the applications once its installed
[08:51] <Seveas> Linforcer, yes, and what do you connect to?
[08:51] <Beano> so i cant edit the options
[08:51] <Linforcer> Seveas the one that comes with ubuntu by default
[08:51] <Seveas> Linforcer, the port depends on the server, clients use random ports :)
[08:51] <Linforcer> Seveas: Erm... I mean the server.
[08:51] <Linforcer> Seveas: I'm serving
[08:51] <Seveas> ah ok that's vnc
[08:51] <Seveas> one sec
[08:53] <Beano> randabis: so do you have any idea how i can get streamripper/tuner working from the command line?
[08:54] <hefner_> I just installed Ubuntu. The meta modifier key does not appear to work in xterm. How do I fix it?   :)
[08:54] <randabis> Bean typically it's just "streamripper http://url
[08:54] <nakata> agreed
[08:54] <randabis> I'm sure there's a man page for it
[08:54] <randabis> try man streamripper
[08:55] <UnreA|L> WARNING: libjpeg not found. disable JPEG support.
[08:55] <UnreA|L> checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.0) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation!
[08:55] <UnreA|L> For more details about this problem, look at the end of config.log.
[08:55] <thundrcleeze> Is it possible to listen to a stream in terminal (in tty2 or something)?
[08:55] <Beano> randabis, yeah but i need to set up where it rips to etc
[08:55] <drcode> HI all
[08:55] <UnreA|L> help me ;)
[08:56] <Seveas> Linforcer, 5900
[08:56] <Seveas> Linforcer, you can find out with netstat -l
[08:56] <drcode> I Use xfcde and my resulstion change 640x480 why?
[08:56] <Linforcer> Seveas, it uses 5900 by default?
[08:56] <Beano> no - you just start a relay server using the terminal - and connect to it through winamp or whatever using the IP and port of the machine
[08:56] <Seveas> Linforcer, yes
[08:56] <nakata> euh... is it sane to change a debian apt source line to a ubuntu repository, and do update/dist-upgrade
[08:56] <Linforcer> Seveas, and it like ftp uses 21, it cant be changed?
[08:56] <Seveas> Linforcer, and i don't know whether you can configure it at all
[08:56] <nakata> or will i munge my dependencies?
[08:56] <thundrcleeze> Beano, was that response to me?
[08:56] <Linforcer> meh Seveas, I l ask my dad then
[08:56] <tritium> UnreA|L, apt-cache search libjpeg, and look for the "-dev" package.  You'll need to install it.
[08:57] <nakata> abec 3
[08:57] <UnreA|L> i -dev will install ;)
[08:57] <UnreA|L> libjpeg-progs - Programs for manipulating JPEG files
[08:57] <UnreA|L> libjpeg62 - The Independent JPEG Group's JPEG runtime library
[08:57] <UnreA|L> libjpeg62-dev - Development files for the IJG JPEG library
[08:58] <randabis> thundrcleeze: I'm sure there's probably a command line app for listening to streams in a commandline. Probably something similar to mpg321...I'd check universe
[08:58] <UnreA|L> how i can download this libs ?
[08:58] <Zerboxx> Is anyone able to give me a hand with Grip & Lame?
[08:58] <Seveas> UnreA|L, with apt-get :)
[08:58] <tritium> UnreA|L, sudo apt-get install libjpeg62-dev
[08:58] <Beano> apt-get update?
[08:58] <thundrcleeze> randabis, don't know of anything offhand?
[08:58] <Beano> lol
[08:59] <Beano> when you apt-get a package where exactly does it install it?
[08:59] <randabis> thundrcleeze: unfortunately no. I don't do much listening to internet streams anymore. I have a lot of music already
[08:59] <Seveas> Beano, in the place specified in the package
[08:59] <randabis> Beano: depends on the package
[08:59] <thundrcleeze> randabis, okay, thanks
[08:59] <Beano> that makes sense :P i shall check
[08:59] <randabis> the command for it will usually be in /usr/bin
[08:59] <Seveas> usually binaries in /usr/bin, linraries in /usr/lib and configuration in /etc
[09:00] <UnreA|L> Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.0) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation!
[09:00] <UnreA|L> For more details about this problem, look at the end of config.log.
[09:00] <tritium> Beano, dpkg -L <packagename> shows you the file locations for the files in that package
[09:00] <Seveas> Beano, dpkg -l packagename will tell you exatly what it installed and where
[09:00] <UnreA|L> some liitle error ;/
[09:00] <nakata> Unfrgiven: #kubuntu
[09:00] <Zerboxx> I have installed grip and lame, but for some reason grip says the encoder executable is wrong
[09:00] <nakata> UnreA|L: *
[09:00] <randabis> some packages put stuff in /usr/local/bin or /usr/games or /usr/local/games though
[09:00] <nakata> see topic there.
[09:00] <tritium> Seveas, capital "L"
[09:00] <randabis> just depends on the package
[09:00] <drcode> why I Cant get 640x480 in xfcde?
[09:00] <drcode> it worked in the morning ?] 
[09:00] <Seveas> UnreA|L, sudo apt-get install libqt3-dev libqt3-headers
[09:01] <Seveas> tritium, yeah typo...
[09:01] <Beano> ah i dunno :( it doesnt say in the package information
[09:01] <Seveas> randabis, no, packages NEVER install in /usr/local
[09:01] <Seveas> that's why /usr/local is the place to install your own stuff :)
[09:01] <Brooklyn_> Hi
[09:01] <Brooklyn_> newbie question
[09:02] <Beano> might just download a tar.gz of streamripper and install it
[09:02] <Brooklyn_> is it nesessary to compile every single program in ububtu like in gentoo
[09:02] <Beano> its probably gonna be easier if im honest
[09:02] <Seveas> Brooklyn_, fortunately not :)
[09:02] <Brooklyn_> I want to install maya
[09:02] <Seveas> Brooklyn_, you only have to compile stuff that isn't in the repositories (and there's a LOT in the repositories, so compiling won't be so usual)
[09:02] <Brooklyn_> after you alien the packages, what is the process and how long does it take
[09:03] <Cine> has anybody else had trouble with the quicktime plugin' for mozilla?
[09:03] <Seveas> Broncho, dpkg -i filename.deb
[09:03] <Nico_1981> Has anyone successfully installed Sunbird on Hoary ? I get "./run-mozilla.sh: line 131:  9165 Segmentation fault "$prog" ${1+"$@"}"
[09:03] <Zerboxx> Anyone able to help with Grip and Lame?
[09:03] <Seveas> takes in the order of seconds to minutes, depending on the size of the package
[09:03] <randabis> Seveas: I may be mistaken, but I thought I had a package that did that before...I don't think it was ubuntu though
[09:03] <Seveas> randabis, than it is broken
[09:03] <randabis> I agree
[09:03] <Seveas> packages are not allowed to install in /usr/local
[09:03] <Seveas> so official ubuntu packages will not do that
[09:04] <randabis> Yeah
[09:04] <Seveas> maybe broken backport crap
[09:04] <randabis> It wasn't an official package...I know that much
[09:04] <randabis> I removed it after I saw where it was installing
[09:05] <randabis> I knew that packages aren't supposed to install there hehe
[09:05] <Brooklyn_> I was going to nstall gentoo becuae I found thishttp://gentoo-portage.com/media-gfx/maya
[09:05] <Brooklyn_> but then I found out I would still hav to compile it
[09:05] <nakata> hehe
[09:06] <tarzeau> can ubuntu have software packaged for them that debian doesn't have?
[09:06] <Seveas> Brooklyn_, the alien'ed rpm of maya will work on Ubuntu
[09:06] <Cine> eventhough I've installed mozilla-plugin-vlc which according to the description will play MOV files... all I get when I go to the quicktime trailers page is a black box that says (no picture)
[09:06] <Seveas> tarzeau, yes, and there are quite a few :)
[09:06] <Cine> any suggestions?
[09:06] <tarzeau> Seveas: are you a ubuntu developer?
[09:06] <Seveas> tarzeau, no
[09:06] <Seveas> Cine, do you get sound?
[09:07] <tarzeau> Seveas: can anyone get software into ubuntu?
[09:07] <Cine> nope
[09:07] <randabis> gentoo is for ricers anyway :p
[09:07] <Cine> don't get anything
[09:07] <Seveas> tarzeau, anyone can suggest packages to be added to the universe
[09:07] <Brooklyn_> Seveas: is there any particular reason why you would recommend ubuntu over straight debain
[09:07] <tarzeau> Seveas: i don't want to suggest packages. i want to make them myself!
[09:07] <Seveas> Cine, maybe you need to set the sound output device in some configuration
[09:07] <Cine> although it doesn't say I need the plugin anymore..
[09:07] <tarzeau> Seveas: don't invent questions, is mine not precisely formulated?
[09:08] <randabis> tarzeau: go for it! making debs isn't that hard
[09:08] <Seveas> Brooklyn_, 6 month release cycle, 18 months security support, it Just Works, great community etc...
[09:08] <tarzeau> randabis: yes ok i have one. and then?
[09:08] <Cine> well the sound works fine on the rest of my system...
[09:08] <randabis> tarzeau: you'd be better off talking to someone in #ubuntu-devel about getting it put into universe
[09:08] <Seveas> tarzeau, not anyone can get software into the repositories, but you can suggest for software to be added
[09:08] <Seveas> better answer?
[09:09] <tarzeau> Seveas: yes thanks, i will try
[09:09] <Seveas> randabis, no, that's for #ubuntu-motu
[09:09] <randabis> Seveas: yeah, sorry
[09:09] <randabis> I typed the wrong channel out :p
[09:09] <Seveas> :)
[09:09] <Zerboxx> how do I go about something I got through apt-get?
[09:09] <Brooklyn_> uhg, i read so much of the gentoo handbook, now I got to start again ith ubuntus
[09:09] <Zerboxx> *removing something
[09:09] <Brooklyn_> I dont even know if they have one
[09:09] <Seveas> Zerboxx, describe "go about'
[09:09] <Seveas> ah ok :)
[09:09] <Seveas> apt-get remove packagename
[09:10] <Seveas> and if you never want to see it again:
[09:10] <Seveas> apt-get remove --purge packagename
[09:10] <randabis> Brooklyn_: heh installing ubuntu is cakewalk compared to gentoo
[09:10] <Zerboxx> ok thanks, this lame thing is bugging me, going to try to re-get it
[09:10] <Seveas> Brooklyn_, ubuntu is much easier to install
[09:10] <Zerboxx> Seveas: What do you mean never see it again?
[09:11] <Seveas> Brooklyn_, pop in the cd answer a few simple questions (name, login, password like ) and wait a little while
[09:11] <randabis> the --purge option removes the configuration files associated with the package
[09:11] <d0n_muDdaH> Sevas seems to be the importened man here :D
[09:11] <Seveas> and done :)
[09:11] <shad0w1e> anyone experienced with using xinerama? My dual display is set up but my windows maximize across both screens and my dialogs pop up halfway on each screen...
[09:11] <Seveas> Zerboxx, apt-get remove will leave the configuration files on your system
[09:11] <Brooklyn_> oh, kindergaden stuff :)
[09:11] <Seveas> apt-get remove --purge will remove all configuration files too
[09:11] <Beano> ok ... so ive just unzipped my streamripper tar.. using the old tar -zxvf ... how do i install it? </noob> :(
[09:11] <Seveas> Brooklyn_, yeah, suitable for real newbies :)
[09:12] <randabis> Beano: uh, why didn't you just use apt/synaptic?
[09:12] <Brooklyn_> so I dont have to decide between 3 packages like with gentoo
[09:12] <Seveas> Beano, read the file named INSTALL
[09:12] <Seveas> Brooklyn_, nope :)
[09:12] <shad0w1e> SCREW gentoo
[09:12] <randabis> there's a streamripper package in universe
[09:12] <Seveas> you get a very decent default install
[09:12] <Seveas> including openoffice, firefox, evolution
[09:12] <Beano> randabis, i tried that ... but it doesnt appear in the applications .. so i can configure it
[09:12] <Seveas> and including security by default :)
[09:13] <Seveas> Beano, not all applications (especially universe ones) will appear in the menu
[09:13] <randabis> Beano: installing it from source isn't going to make it appear in applications either
[09:13] <Seveas> indeed
[09:13] <tommi^> Hi. Bug 7158 is really a weird one. In short: numpad acts as a mouse. Before coming here, I created another account to my system to try out if the problem continues. I've also imported some files from my previous installation so I thought it could've interfed with the Gnome somehow. So, I login with freshly created account, set the same keyboard type and layout and try it out. Result: works fine. Now I go back to my first account and out of habit
[09:13] <tommi^> use numpad numbers. To my suprise, they work now. What is going on?
[09:13] <Seveas> that for sure will not show up
[09:13] <Cine> anyone got any other suggestions on the quicktime MOV front?
[09:13] <randabis> streamripper is strictly a command-line application
[09:13] <thundrcleeze> Can someone help me with a problem with x not starting?
[09:14] <larsrohdin> its not nessecery to have a anti-virus program on linux, is it?
[09:14] <nakata> Tomcat_: that's 'mouse emulation'
[09:14] <randabis> there is no true configuration for streamripper...You just enter options for it
[09:14] <nakata> tommi^: ^-*
[09:14] <Seveas> larsrohdin, not yet :)
[09:14] <larsrohdin> Seveas, thats what i thought... not even if i use the internet alot and download alot? whatabout spyware?
[09:14] <tritium> thundrcleeze, what's happening?
[09:14] <randabis> Beano: if you want a graphical stream ripping utility, try Kstreamripper, a frontend to streamripper
[09:15] <Seveas> larsrohdin, spyware is written for windows :)
[09:15] <Seveas> so non-effective on linux
[09:15] <Seveas> it won't even TRY to install
[09:15] <randabis> larsrohdin: there is little risk of spyware/malware/viruses in the linux world
[09:15] <Zerboxx> How can I find where a package was installed to? (ie I want to know the full command for Lame rather than just "Lame")
[09:15] <larsrohdin> Seveas, ok
[09:15] <tommi^> nakata, yeah, sorry I didn't know the term. That's what it is but why? I didn't active it but when I do enable mouse keys, I get little bit different mouse movement. So it can't be the same thing.
[09:15] <Jimmothy> can someone tell me some fonts i can get with apt-get?
[09:15] <Seveas> Zerboxx, dpkg -L packagename
[09:16] <Seveas> Jimmothy, msttcorefonts from marillat
[09:16] <randabis> I'll be back
[09:16] <tommi^> nakata, well actually it might but I don't believe it is.
[09:16] <[kabuto] > how do I restart all wine process?
[09:16] <Seveas> just search for fonts in synaptic / apt-cache for more :)
[09:16] <larsrohdin> randabis, ok thanks alot
[09:16] <|iggy|> hi does anybody have an ati rage with 3d working under hoary ?
[09:16] <ells> tritium: mike how was your trip
[09:16] <mikerobi> has anyone had troubles with mod_rewrite?
[09:17] <Seveas> mikerobi, lot's, but only due to my incompetence ;)
[09:17] <tritium> ells, Hey Steve - good to see you again.  I've been looking for you.  Haven't seen you in a while.  It was outstanding.  U2 rocked!
[09:17] <thundrcleeze> tritium: The basic error is "No screens found", above that it says Error: API mismatch: the NVIDIA kernel module is version 7.1.0, but this X module is version 1.0.7174.  Please be sure that your kernel module and all NVIDIA driver files have thes ame driver version.
[09:17] <ells> tritium: I am sure.
[09:17] <Zerboxx> Seveas: Thanks! I couldn't get grip to recognise lame for some reason, I pointed it to the full path instead of just "lame" and it works like a charm.  Thanks!!
[09:17] <Seveas> thundrcleeze, manually installed nvidia driver?
[09:17] <mikerobi> Seveas: did you ever sort it out?
[09:17] <Seveas> Zerboxx, you're welcome :)
[09:17] <Seveas> mikerobi, sure :)
[09:17] <Seveas> by reading docs on apache.org
[09:18] <larsrohdin> hey, i have a old computer: 233mhz and 64 mb memory... i tried to install linux on it... Gentoo, slackware, ubuntu and fedora... none of them worked, there was alway some problems... but then i tried win xp, and it worked directly=)
[09:18] <Seveas> mikerobi, what
[09:18] <Seveas> ...is the problem
[09:18] <larsrohdin> weird isn't it?
[09:18] <thundrcleeze> "(EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to initilze the NVIDIA kernel module!" Then there's an abort message and "(EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usuable configuration."
[09:18] <tritium> thundrcleeze, are you using nvidia driver from ubuntu, or downloaded off of nvidia web site?
[09:18] <Seveas>  /ignore larsrohdin
[09:18] <Seveas> ;)
[09:18] <larsrohdin> =(
[09:18] <thundrcleeze> tritium, I don't remember, I think I did it with the web site.
[09:18] <Cine> I'm still having some trouble with my quicktime plugin if anyone has any suggestions
[09:19] <larsrohdin> i'm bored=)
[09:19] <Seveas> thundrcleeze, then remove it :)
[09:19] <mikerobi> Seveas:  anytime a url is rewritten ex: "http://localhost/zz/zdsasf" , i just get a page "You don't have permission to access /zz/zdsasf on this server.", I'm using the same rule from my fedora box
[09:19] <larsrohdin> ok bye
[09:19] <Seveas> thundrcleeze, and apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-`uname -r`
[09:19] <tritium> thundrcleeze, you need the nvidia kernel module provided by the linux-restricted-modules with the same version number as your kernel
[09:19] <thundrcleeze> It was working previously after I upgraded to hoary.
[09:19] <Seveas> mikerobi, might simply be a permission error
[09:20] <Seveas> Seveas, all folders in the path to that file must be listable by the webserver (+x)
[09:20] <Seveas> and the file itself must be readable
[09:20] <mikerobi> Seveas: I understand that
[09:20] <tritium> thundrcleeze, it's really preferrable to use the ubuntu packages
[09:21] <Seveas> mikerobi, the apache error logs give more information about the exact error, check these
[09:21] <drcode> hi all
[09:21] <drcode> any one know if securecleint work in linux ?
[09:21] <tommi^> nakata, what I'm wondering is how did the other user account effect on the system. Somehow it has have changed some global setting, variable or something. There must be a bug somewhere.
[09:21] <blueyed> Anyone here able to understand/debug a systrace for firefox per PM? It suddenly hangs about 30 seconds after startup with futex() calls.. I'm on amd64 breezy, and it just started (no updates today).
[09:21] <Seveas> drcode, secure client for what?
[09:21] <thundrcleeze> I just tried an updating apt, but it's giving me a bunch of resolving problems.
[09:21] <drcode> for checkpoint
[09:21] <mikerobi> Seveas: aparantly i dont have proxy enabled
[09:21] <drcode> I Want to connect my work
[09:22] <thundrcleeze> so it looks like the network connection for the computer is down.
[09:23] <zxc> is there any alternative to realplayer for playing bbc streams?
[09:23] <Seveas> blueyed, can you paste the strace on a pastebin (not guaranteed i can help)
[09:23] <thundrcleeze> fortunately, realplayer in linux is much better than the bloated crap that it is in windows.
[09:24] <Amaranth> Hey, RealPlayer 10 for Windows isn't bad.
[09:24] <Amaranth> I wish they wouldn't embed mshtml in it though.
[09:24] <Bazzi> realPlayer for win isnt bad?
[09:24] <Bazzi> spyware laden bollox crap
[09:25] <zxc> not if you download the bbc version bazzi :)
[09:25] <thundrcleeze> Seveas - Any way to do this without having a net connection, or to fix the drivers that are already in place?
[09:25] <zxc> I was asking as mine isn't working properly
[09:25] <bodaciousb> does anyone know where wine sets up its fake windows drive by default?
[09:25] <Amaranth> Bazzi: 10 isn't.
[09:25] <Seveas> thundrcleeze, no idea, I use ati :)
[09:25] <Bazzi> 10 is just as bad as the others, I want directshow =(
[09:25] <mikerobi> bodaciousb:  .wine/somethign
[09:25] <bodaciousb> mikerobi: ill do a search
[09:26] <thundrcleeze> Anyone use nvidia that can help me?
[09:26] <Amaranth> Bazzi: Have you used 10 for Windows? Did you actually read what the installer said or did you just click next a bunch of times?
[09:26] <mikerobi> bodaciousb: .wine in your home folder
[09:26] <thundrcleeze> and Seveas, poor you.
[09:26] <Bazzi> uuuh cannot remember
[09:26] <bodaciousb> mikerobi: ok
[09:27] <Seveas> thundrcleeze, not really, it's the only bad thing about this laptop
[09:27] <Bazzi> Amaranth what did the installer say? :P
[09:27] <Seveas> thundrcleeze, and the laptop is really nice :)
[09:27] <mikerobi> Seveas: i'm trying to use rewrite to run another web server behind apache, the log says "client denied by server configuration: proxy:http://127.0.0.1:8081/"
[09:27] <Amaranth> Bazzi: You uncheck some things and it doesn't install anything but RealPlayer.
[09:27] <Bazzi> Amaranth thats bad enough
[09:27] <tritium> thundrcleeze, I can help once you switch to the ubuntu-provided nvidia module in l-r-m.
[09:27] <Amaranth> Bazzi: And 10 doesn't keep taking over your file associations or starting up with windows if you tell it not to.
[09:28] <mikerobi> Seveas: this worked out of the box in fedora
[09:28] <Amaranth> Bazzi: *shrug* I used Real Alternative anyway.
[09:28] <Bazzi> Amaranth reala lt. destroys the other codecs for me.
[09:28] <Bazzi> real alt*
[09:28] <Seveas> mikerobi, sorry, i don't know anything about proxy-ing
[09:28] <thundrcleeze> tritium, is there a way to find out which way I did it - web based or ubuntu?
[09:29] <mikerobi> Seveas: well thanks anyway
[09:29] <bodaciousb> yay im installing steam with linux
[09:29] <tritium> thundrcleeze, what does "modinfo nvidia" tell you?
[09:29] <tritium> don't paste long output here, please
[09:30] <thundrcleeze> tritium: lots, what do you need to know?
[09:30] <blueyed> Seveas, the strace is at file:///home/daniel/firefox.strace.txt.gz (170kB). futex(), where it hangs, starts at 21:17:02.
[09:30] <tritium> thundrcleeze, also, do you have linux-restricted-modules installed that match your kernel version?
[09:30] <Seveas> bluefoxicy, yeah, that'll not work :)
[09:30] <Seveas> i cannot access your pc:)
[09:30] <tritium> thundrcleeze, you can query me and paste the output if you like
[09:30] <Seveas> blueyed i mean
[09:31] <ThomasWinwood> Can anyone help me get my Actiontec USB wireless card working? I've installed the driver using ndiswrapper but the wireless connection is not showing in iwconfig. dmesg reports the USB device being detected.
[09:32] <bodaciousb> does anyone know of a good guide to read for a total linux newbie.... like, i want to know where programs are usually installed to, and how the file structure is organized
[09:32] <bodaciousb> it seems like every folder has its onw usr and var folder
[09:33] <Seveas> bodaciousb, read the debian filesystem hierarchy standard for that
[09:33] <bodaciousb> debain.com?
[09:33] <Seveas> you can find it on debian.org/doc oslt
[09:33] <bodaciousb> ok
[09:34] <Seveas> bodaciousb, http://www.pathname.com/fhs/
[09:34] <ThomasWinwood> I think I'm missing a setting somewhere which is why it's not working.
[09:34] <bodaciousb> ok
[09:34] <blueyed> bodaciousb, "Aliens Bash Tutorial" at http://subsignal.org/doc/AliensBashTutorial.html !
[09:34] <Seveas> ThomasWinwood, what does ndiswrapper -l say?
[09:34] <bodaciousb> lotws of places to look =)
[09:34] <ThomasWinwood> Seveas: "driver present".
[09:34] <Seveas> blueyed, that's not what he's looking for
[09:35] <bluefoxicy> I did what now?
[09:35] <Seveas> ThomasWinwood, not "hardware present"?
[09:35] <ThomasWinwood> Nope.
[09:35] <ThomasWinwood> But dmesg reports seeing it when I unplug and reconnect.
[09:35] <blueyed> Seveas, bodaciousb: it's also about file structure and a guide to bash is good for a newbie IMHO.
[09:36] <jupiterste> In Nautilus, is there an easy way to change permissions on a folder and it's contents? such as the OS X "Apply to enclosed items"
[09:36] <Seveas> maybe you need to modprobe some usb network modules (sorr, my knowledge doesn't reach that far)
[09:36] <bodaciousb> blueeyed: yeah bash would be helpfull
[09:36] <d0n_muDdaH> no1 can tell mi to open sources.list out of the console
[09:36] <amichai> jupiterste, sudo nautilus
[09:36] <Seveas> blueyed, thanks
[09:36] <Seveas> d0n_muDdaH, sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:36] <amichai> jupiterste, then navigate to the folder, right click on it and choose ur options
[09:36] <d0n_muDdaH> thx
[09:37] <Cine> grr... anyone else have any problems with the quicktime plugin?
[09:37] <Seveas> jupiterste, i only know the console way: chmod -R
[09:37] <jupiterste> Seveas: so chmod -R will apply the permission enclosed items?
[09:37] <jupiterste> all the folders and files below the in the directory
[09:38] <Cine> I really wanna watch the new Serenity trailer... but my computer if foiling my plans...
[09:38] <Seveas> jupiterste, example: chmod -R a+r somefolder will make all folders and files under somefolder readable by anyone
[09:38] <Seveas> (including somefolder itself)
[09:38] <Seveas> i think that that's what you are looking for :)
[09:39] <jupiterste> Seveas: cool, i'm new to this, do you know how i would change the folder's user, group and permissions with chmod?
[09:39] <jupiterste> from what I can see, chmod changes the permissions but not users?
[09:39] <chimaera> jupiterste: chown
[09:39] <Seveas> jupiterste, do you want to change the owner?
[09:39] <Beano> Internet Died :(
[09:39] <Seveas> or just the owners permission?
[09:39] <jupiterste> Seveas: Both
[09:39] <Seveas> jupiterste, i think the best move is to read the manpages for chmod and chown
[09:39] <amichai> Beano, how?
[09:40] <Seveas> they describe it in detail :)
[09:40] <jupiterste> Seveas: OK thanks, i didn't even know about chown :)
[09:40] <blueyed> Seveas, have you looked at the strace?
[09:40] <Beano> so - whats the command to start ropping a stream with streamripper? :P
[09:40] <Seveas> blueyed, i can't
[09:40] <Seveas> it's on your pc
[09:40] <Seveas> and i cannot access that
[09:40] <Seveas> Beano, read the manpage for streamripper :)
[09:41] <Beano> Seveas, there isnt one :P
[09:41] <Seveas> ah :)
[09:41] <Beano> man streamripper doesnt bring anything up
[09:41] <ThomasWinwood> Any idea what I need to modprobe, Seveas?
[09:41] <Beano> i guess ill just look on the wiki or something
[09:41] <Seveas> Beano, then browse through /usr/share/doc/streamripper :)
[09:41] <d0n_muDdaH> wiki very helpful
[09:41] <Seveas> ThomasWinwood, no clue at all, never used USB wifi
[09:41] <Beano> thanks :)
[09:41] <blueyed> lol, Seveas, sorry: http://thequod.de/tmp/firefox.strace.txt.gz
[09:42] <Cine> I'm still having trouble with quicktime in firefox, if anyone has any suggestions...
[09:42] <stanton> What is the preferred method to disable ipv6 in Ubuntu?
[09:42] <chimaera> TheMuso:
[09:42] <chimaera> sry.
[09:43] <will> Cine: have u read the starter guide?
[09:43] <Cine> yup, I've installed all of that
[09:43] <KaiL> stanton: why disable it?
[09:43] <Seveas> blueyed, strace looks normal
[09:43] <Seveas> can you describe the error
[09:43] <Beano> hmm README.gz
[09:43] <Cine> all I get when I try to watch trailers off of quicktime is a black box with (no picture) inside
[09:43] <Beano> that looks promising :P
[09:43] <stanton> KaiL: It slows down dns lookups thereby slowing down internet access in general.
[09:44] <Cine> very frustrating
[09:44] <blueyed> Seveas, have you taken a look at 21:17:02 and the 30 seconds after that. It does not react then.. when I click into the address bar or search box.
[09:44] <will> Cine: ahh yes, that is known to fix it, use something like mozplugger
[09:45] <ringmauer> howto extract *.rar files in ubuntu?
[09:45] <blueyed> Seveas, once it's through that 30 seconds it works normally.
[09:45] <t3rror> no one here using tightvnc?
[09:45] <blueyed> ringmauer, apt-get install unrar
[09:45] <chimaera> ringmauer: install rar and rar x <file>
[09:45] <Cine> will: I installed mozplugger... didn't make a difference
[09:45] <guruff> what does it mean: /lib/cpp fails sanity check ??????????
[09:45] <ringmauer> yes i have installed unrar but it still doesnt work
[09:45] <blueyed> ringmauer, there's also unrar-nonfree.. just search for rar in Synaptic.
[09:46] <ringmauer> ringmauer@ubuntu:~$ unrar -x /home/ringmauer/Download/Elvis Presley - 50 Greatest Love Songs CD 1 of 2 (Full Album)(1).rar
[09:46] <ringmauer> bash: syntax error near unexpected token `('
[09:46] <ringmauer> ringmauer@ubuntu:~$
[09:46] <blueyed> "unrar" does not like RAR 3.x format, ringmauer.
[09:46] <whitewindow> hi @all i have a problem with my dvb-T card i load the module with  modprobe saa7134
[09:46] <whitewindow>  and saa7130/34: v4l2 driver version 0.2.12 loaded
[09:46] <chimaera> i prefer rar for the other versions tend to have problems with rar archives created with current releases of rar..
[09:46] <whitewindow> in kernel log
[09:46] <ringmauer> blueyed, but-nonfree (doesnt that mean that it cost $$)
[09:46] <will> Cine: you might need to configure it, with linux you cant just put it in and 'go' (unfortunatly)
[09:46] <whitewindow> but how can i see my dvb card now ?
[09:46] <blueyed> ringmauer, put the filename in double quotes, like unrar "filename with spaces"
[09:46] <Cine> ah, how do I go about configureing it then?
[09:46] <t3rror> i was hoping that someone was familiar enough with tightvnc to explain how i can remove the authorization process
[09:47] <Beano> .gz - gunzip?
[09:47] <will> Cine: umm i will look that up
[09:47] <whitewindow> can anyone help me please ?
[09:47] <Beano> WhiteRabbit, what you need help with
[09:47] <Beano> too many users :(
[09:47] <whitewindow> mhh
[09:47] <Beano> brb
[09:47] <ringmauer> like, $ unrar -x file:///home/ringmauer/Download/Gorillas%20-%20G%20SLIDE.rar file:///home/ringmauer/Download/Gorillas%20-%20G%20SLIDE.rar
[09:48] <blueyed> ringmauer, don't know exactly about non-free status of unrar-nofree. Actually rar is Shareware.
[09:48] <will> Cine:  sudo gedit /etc/mozpluggerrc
[09:49] <shale> nickserv identify ltiasa1
[09:49] <ringmauer> blueyed, do you know another program for unraring?
[09:49] <itsmeee> is Laughing Out Loud
[09:49] <Valentin-> ...
[09:49] <Valentin-> shale n1
[09:49] <itsmeee> ^^
[09:49] <shale> har har very funny
[09:49] <shale> <-- look at the dumbass
[09:49] <Valentin-> shale don't forget your /
[09:49] <shale> thanks
[09:49] <TechLord> can you mount smb shares thru nautilus
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[09:49] <Cine> oh great...  a giant text file full of gibberish...
[09:50] <Cine> :)
[09:50] <Cine> linux makes me feel dumb
[09:50] <blueyed> ringmauer, Just the filename in double-quotes.. see my example below. As another one said, there's also "rar" (use it with -x). Search in Synaptic..
[09:50] <guruff> ringmauer; you have problem with unrar ?
[09:50] <Valentin-> shale: not worth talking about :)
[09:50] <ringmauer> guruff, yes
[09:50] <yahalom> what is the fglrx file to apt-get and is it the latest?
[09:50] <black_Nightmare> any of you know if multiply 604e's would be supported?
[09:50] <guruff> ringmauer; had to unrar <- don't know what's that; try using rar -e filename; u can find rar in ubuntu rep
[09:51] <tritium> yahalom, apt-cache search fglrx to look for it
[09:51] <will> Cine: read this: gedit /usr/share/doc/mozplugger/README.Debian
[09:51] <ringmauer> guruff. ok ill give it a try
[09:51] <black_Nightmare> or no one have any idea?
[09:51] <will> Cine: that might be your problem
[09:52] <mikerobi> it seems the mozilla-thunderbird package uses a different profile directory than the official mozilla releases
[09:52] <ringmauer> guruff, rar cant handle rar 3.0 archives
[09:52] <Cine> ah, awesome...
[09:52] <guruff> ????????????????/
[09:52] <will> Cine: tell me if it works
[09:53] <Cine> so whats the command to delete in the terminal?  sudo remove or something like that?
[09:53] <bur[n] er> guruff: sudo apt-get install unrar-nonfree (assuming you have universe/multiverse repos)
[09:53] <bur[n] er> Cine: rm
[09:53] <Cine> ah
[09:53] <Cine> thanks
[09:53] <blueyed> Cine, be careful.. :)
[09:53] <will> Cine: hang on
[09:53] <Cine> lol... well I'm just wanting to delete this one file
[09:54] <Cine> oh wait
[09:54] <Cine> its in my home directory
[09:54] <guruff> bur[n] er;  i don't need unrar i have rar, that works; i was asking ringmauer if he has prob with unrar cos i know unrar sux
[09:54] <guruff> anyhow
[09:54] <Cine> don't need root anyway
[09:54] <Cine> can do it from the gui
[09:54] <will> Cine: what is your user name?
[09:54] <bur[n] er> oh
[09:54] <shale> anyone here use sphinx2 ?
[09:54] <ulx> he thats funny..just connecting to answer a rar question
[09:54] <Cine> lucas
[09:55] <ulx> how can i integrate the rar package in archive manager??
[09:55] <dataw0lf|w> Wow.
[09:55] <will> okay, well do a search from Places -> Search for files.
[09:55] <dataw0lf|w> Linux has really progressed on the end-user market when users don't know how to remove files
[09:55] <ThomasWinwood> Can anyone help me get my Actiontec USB wireless card working? I've installed the driver using ndiswrapper but the wireless connection is not showing in iwconfig. dmesg reports the USB device being detected, and ndiswrapper reports "driver present".
[09:55] <will> Cine: remeber to select your home dir
[09:55] <Cine> yeah, I found it... deleted it...
[09:55] <Cine> and still no worky...
[09:56] <Cine> sheesh...
[09:56] <will> Cine: restart firefox
[09:56] <qweqw> all the linux channels are filled with clueless computer-illiterate numbskulls, these days
[09:56] <Cine> duh, did that... :)
[09:56] <will> qweqw: like me!
[09:56] <qweqw> possibly
[09:56] <Cine> I'm only Linux illiterate...
[09:56] <shale> qweqw, its just that the computer world is so big, people can be experts in one area of it but dumb as shit in other areas.
[09:56] <shale> give 'em a break :)
[09:56] <will> Cine: im lost! ahhhhh
[09:57] <Cine> hehe
[09:57] <Cine> thanks for the help anyway will
[09:57] <qweqw> you only need general knowledge
[09:57] <will> Cine: post a message on www.ubuntuforums.org
[09:58] <qweqw> what happened to the days when RTFM was cried from the rooftops?
[09:58] <yahalom> who was the guy with quicktime? where did u get the plugin?
[09:58] <qweqw> you had to earn your way into linux el33tdom
[09:58] <ThomasWinwood> Can anyone help me get my Actiontec USB wireless card working? I've installed the driver using ndiswrapper but the wireless connection is not showing in iwconfig. dmesg reports the USB device being detected, and ndiswrapper reports "driver present".
[09:58] <bur[n] er> people aren't assholes now?
[09:58] <will> Cine: also check for a firefox extension that launches external programs (cant remeber the name)
[09:58] <qweqw> there's not enough of them, bur[n] er
[09:58] <shale> yahalom: google ubuntu restricted formats
[09:59] <bur[n] er> oh yeah qweqw, well f you man! ;)
[09:59] <yahalom> shale, thanx
[09:59] <] BreliC[> RTFM qweqw
[09:59] <yahalom> anyone here got dansguardian working with ubuntu?
[09:59] <shale> installing ubuntu and double-clicking yoru way through gnome is hardly linux l33td0m
[09:59] <Cine> there is seperate extension for that?
[09:59] <will> RTFM is a good philosopy
[09:59] <qweqw> that's the spirit.. but don't be so shy, fuck is not going to hurt anyone
[09:59] <bur[n] er> lol
[09:59] <shale> sex.... is..... violent
[10:00] <qweqw> only to a virgin bunghole
[10:00] <shale> ew!
[10:00] <] BreliC[> i used to work in an apple environment only and they were pricks
[10:00] <ThomasWinwood> Can anyone help me get my Actiontec USB wireless card working? I've installed the driver using ndiswrapper but the wireless connection is not showing in iwconfig. dmesg reports the USB device being detected, and ndiswrapper reports "driver present".
[10:00] <] BreliC[> then i worked in a unix environment only and they were pricks
[10:00] <tosti> hello
[10:00] <qweqw> that was kind of crude..
[10:00] <bur[n] er> ThomasWinwood: we heard you the first time
[10:00] <qweqw> damn, my manners
[10:00] <bur[n] er> if someone knows, they'll speak upo
[10:00] <] BreliC[> there are people who think they are above others everyone, even in windowsland
[10:01] <Cine> RTFM, Read the Fucking Manual?
[10:01] <ThomasWinwood> People don't read up to see what was said an hour ago.
[10:01] <guruff> i'm trying to compile gaim and got: lib/cpp fails sanity check - any idea what that means ?!?!?!?!
[10:01] <qweqw> when linux becomes popular, all the true g33ks will switch to something more esoteric
[10:01] <bur[n] er> ThomasWinwood: people aren't gonna help people who just spam shit either ;)
[10:01] <ThomasWinwood> And someone who joins after I say it will never know I said it.
[10:01] <bur[n] er> bsd!
[10:01] <xtat> omfg tru gee3sz uses bsd omgomg
[10:02] <thundrcleeze> Perhaps not, ThomasWinwood, but that was 2 minutes ago, not an hour ago.
[10:02] <] BreliC[> qweqw, there will always be an underworld
[10:02] <ThomasWinwood> A lot can happen in two minutes.
[10:02] <bur[n] er> i don't think people will switch from linux... linux is free and open source, that's what attracts people... not the esotericness
[10:02] <qweqw> i wonder how two open-source projects could compete at all
[10:02] <slappy15> jello
[10:03] <Choubaka> qweqw: with a different set of features?
[10:03] <qweqw> not much competition, considering they can take whatever code they want
[10:03] <tosti> how to change font and keymap at startup for al text consoles?
[10:05] <slappy15> xfontsel
[10:06] <yahalom> hey anyone know if the 2.6.11 kernel is supported yet?
[10:07] <tosti> slappy15: i ment text consoles. tty1, tty2, etc. :)
[10:07] <yahalom> anybody?
[10:08] <ice_1963> nop
[10:08] <ice_1963> =)
[10:08] <shale> yahalom, i think if i did apt-get dist-upgrade and it upgraded then it would be
[10:08] <shale> but my problem is i cut corners
[10:08] <kikov> anybody know the solution to the "Skipping "/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libfb.a:fbmmx.o":  No symbols found
[10:08] <kikov> problem?
[10:09] <decaf> is this a problem?
[10:09] <kikov> decaf: it prevents me starting Xorg...
[10:09] <kikov> it's a problem for me
[10:09] <Cine> SO CLOSE!!!  Now I just don't have any sound...
[10:09] <decaf> kikov:  it seems you have another problem
[10:10] <yahalom> shale, not sure?
[10:10] <shale> well like is said, if apt-get installs then i'd say its supported
[10:10] <yahalom> shale, good point
[10:11] <kikov> decaf: well.. that problem was sudden.. I was working with KDE and everything get out
[10:11] <TechLord> what's the eaisest way to mount smb shares thru nautilus
[10:11] <Seveas> not mounting
[10:11] <bur[n] er> u can't
[10:11] <Seveas> but browsing through smb://server/
[10:11] <bur[n] er> TechLord: u gotta do "mount -t smbfs blahblahblahblah"
[10:11] <Seveas> mounting can be done with smbmount, not with nautilus
[10:11] <Beano> Seveas, so ... i read the readme .. and it tells me to type ./configure - which does nothing
[10:11] <Seveas> bur[n] er, don't do that, always use the smbmount wrapper
[10:12] <Beano> is there any specific place im suposed to type it
[10:12] <bur[n] er> Seveas: yeah?  that tells me to use mount -t smbfs
[10:12] <bur[n] er> :P
[10:12] <Seveas> Beano, in the toplevel sourcedit
[10:12] <bur[n] er> This command is designed to be run from within /bin/mount by giving
[10:12] <bur[n] er> the option '-t smbfs'. For example:
[10:12] <bur[n] er>   mount -t smbfs -o username=tridge,password=foobar //fjall/test /data/test
[10:12] <Seveas> bur[n] er, no smbmount calls mount
[10:12] <Beano> Seveas, wheres that likely to be?
[10:12] <yahalom> anyone here using amd athlon XP
[10:12] <yahalom> ?
[10:12] <Seveas> so if you call smbmount with no options you get the mount error
[10:13] <ThomasWinwood> Can anyone help me get my Actiontec USB wireless card working? I've installed the driver using ndiswrapper but the wireless connection is not showing in iwconfig. dmesg reports the USB device being detected, and ndiswrapper reports "driver present".
[10:13] <bur[n] er> say what you want Seveas, you're wrong ;)
[10:13] <Seveas> bur[n] er, not at all
[10:13] <Seveas> bur[n] er, read the manpage of smbmount please
[10:13] <bur[n] er> eh
[10:13] <KaiL> ThomasWinwood: try to ask google for "USB WLAN debian" or "USB WLAN ubuntu"
[10:13] <bur[n] er> no thanks ;) mount -t smbfs works wonders
[10:13] <Seveas> Beano, the folder that contains the configure file :)
[10:14] <tosti> help me please... how to change (at startup) font and keymap on all tty's?
[10:14] <Beano> hmm i dunno where to look for that tbh :P
[10:14] <Seveas> Beano, usually in the same folder as the INSTALL file
[10:14] <shale> hey i have a weird thing... a raid5 sata array doesn't mount on boot, altho its in /etc/fstab and after the machine is booted i can do mount -a and it mounts... any idea where i can look to fix that?
[10:14] <schlurchz> Hi folks. Installing Hoary on a spare partition, the installer didn't detect my Debian system, so I choose not to install a bootloader. How should I configure lilo within Debian to boot into Ubuntu?
[10:15] <shale> i didn't see anything in syslog but i'm not sure where ubuntu keeps the bootup logs.
[10:15] <spawn> http://www.betanews.com/article/Bill_Proposes_Ending_Free_Weather_Data/1114178376
[10:15] <spawn> does this mean I won't be able to use Weather Report on GNOME anymore?
[10:15] <Seveas> shale, dmesg or /var/log/kern.log
[10:16] <schlurchz> I've tried a basic setup and got a kernel panic (unable to mount root fs). Can this be udev-related?
[10:16] <shale> Seveas, thanks thats what i needed
[10:16] <tosti> can abyone help me please... how to change at startup font and keymap for all tty's?
[10:17] <shale> so much of learning this is just knowing (and remembering) where everything is stored
[10:17] <Seveas> shale, my guess: sata modules are loaded after mount -a is issued oslt
[10:17] <schlurchz> The Debian system is Woody, BTW
[10:17] <mactiny> hi everyone
[10:17] <tommi^> Hi. It would seem that the /home partition is created with a newer software that comes along with ubuntu. The bootup process stops and complains the version of e2fsck (and unsupported features). Everything thought works fine even if I just continue it with ctrl-d. Can this harm my filesystem and how do I fix / ignore the complaint?
[10:17] <joe|code> Hi mactiny
[10:18] <schlurchz> Anything wrong with this from lilo.conf:
[10:18] <schlurchz> image=/mnt/ubuntu/vmlinuz
[10:18] <schlurchz>     append="root=/dev/hda10"
[10:18] <schlurchz>     label=ubuntu
[10:18] <schlurchz>     root=/dev/hda10
[10:18] <mactiny> what are the plans for the next version of ubuntu
[10:18] <Fackamato> schlurchz: why do you have the append section
[10:19] <HiddenWolf> Anyone here a grub-expert?
[10:19] <schlurchz> obviously the "append" line was me trying to fix it :-)
[10:19] <shale> what do you spose this means: Apr 23 17:39:12 localhost kernel: EXT3-fs warning: maximal mount count reached, running e2fsck is recommended
[10:19] <Seveas> HiddenWolf, not expert, but i know a bit
[10:19] <GnuKemist> HiddenWolf not an expert by far but what seems to be the prob?
[10:20] <Seveas> mactiny, http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDownUnder/BreezyGoals
[10:20] <schlurchz> I guessed it could be /dev/hda10 not recognized by the 2.6 kernel using udev?
[10:20] <schlurchz> I know nothing 'bout udev though
[10:20] <HiddenWolf> I've got a /dev/sda with linux on it, which from grubs menu.lst seems to be /dev/hd0 - Now I've added a windows disk, and it's /dev/hda, and I want to add an option to boot to windows
[10:21] <woodwizzle> I tried to wget www.foo.com\*.jpg but wget doesn't accept wildcards. is there another way to achieve this?
[10:21] <HiddenWolf> I've tried running grub-install and update-grub, and adding it manually, but it won't boot.
[10:21] <Seveas> HiddenWolf, booting to windows is simple:
[10:21] <Seveas> title Windows
[10:21] <Seveas> root (hd0,0)
[10:21] <Seveas> savedefault
[10:21] <Seveas> makeactive
[10:21] <Seveas> chainloader +1
[10:21] <schlurchz> BTW, shouldn't the installer detect an existing Linux installation?
[10:22] <Seveas> HiddenWolf, example: http://pastebin.kaarsemaker.net/29
[10:22] <HiddenWolf> Seveas, grub seems to see my /dev/sda as hd0,
[10:22] <Seveas> HiddenWolf, the try hd1,0
[10:23] <HiddenWolf> Seveas, I get an unknown file type error
[10:23] <GnuKemist> HiddenWolf Seveas the only thing I want to add is to make sure Windows is indeed in hd0,0
[10:23] <HiddenWolf> more confusingly, if I do grub-install --recheck /dev/sda, it lists the sda disk as hd1, and the hda as hd0
[10:24] <GnuKemist> HiddenWolf you got a SCSI drive?
[10:24] <HiddenWolf> one sata, one ide
[10:24] <yahalom> hey how do i create a new channel?
[10:24] <deejoe>  /join #newchannelname
[10:24] <Seveas> yahalom, type /join #channelname
[10:24] <HiddenWolf> yahalom, /j <channel>
[10:24] <yahalom> and then
[10:24] <yahalom> how do i register it?
[10:25] <lucidblue> is there a way I can install ubuntu off of the harddrive
[10:25] <itsmeee> chanserv
[10:25] <lucidblue> ?
[10:25] <Seveas> yahalom, /msg chanserv help
[10:25] <yahalom> thanx
[10:25] <itsmeee> type: /msg chanserv register channel password
[10:25] <yahalom> thanx
[10:25] <ThomasWinwood> Ugh. This is so annoying.
[10:26] <Seveas> HiddenWolf, have you tried poking around in the grub command line on boot
[10:26] <shale> i'm getting errors on an ext3 filesystem (sda1)...  fsck.ext3 sda1
[10:26] <shale> e2fsck 1.35 (28-Feb-2004)
[10:26] <shale> fsck.ext3: No such file or directory while trying to open sda1
[10:26] <shale> The superblock could not be read or does not describe a correct ext2
[10:26] <shale> filesystem.
[10:26] <Seveas> to find out what grub thinks
[10:26] <shale> what is that all about?
[10:26] <ThomasWinwood> All I'm being told is "use other hardware".
[10:26] <Andril> hello all
[10:26] <yahalom> everyone is allowed to start a channel right?
[10:26] <Seveas> yahalom, yes
[10:26] <Andril> anyone able to install Beagle?
[10:26] <joe|code> does ubuntu come with an application for changing the grub splash image?
[10:26] <Nalioth> yahalom, knock yourself out
[10:26] <schlurchz> No lilo expert here? :-(
[10:26] <Zerboxx> Hey, is there a way to stop CD's from playing when you insert them?
[10:27] <yahalom> how fun
[10:27] <yahalom> lol
[10:27] <Seveas> Andril, ubuntu packages for beagle will be available within a few weeks
[10:27] <HiddenWolf> Seveas, yes?
[10:27] <Seveas> please be patient
[10:27] <GnuKemist> ThomasWinwood didn't get the beginning...  what are you trying to do?  Mount an USB device?
[10:27] <Nalioth> Andril, whats a beagle?
[10:27] <Andril> Seaveas: you are awesome sir!
[10:27] <Seveas> GnuKemist, USB wifi
[10:27] <Seveas> Nalioth, it's an awesome search tool
[10:27] <Nalioth> ah
[10:27] <Cine> anyone know why I wouldn't be getting sound with VLC when streaming quicktime?
[10:28] <lucidblue> guyz, I need to know how to install this from the harddrive... any one know how or the link of how?
[10:28] <GnuKemist> Seveas ThomasWinwood do you have rights to /dev/nvram?
[10:28] <Seveas> Nalioth, http://www.gnome.org/projects/beagle/
[10:28] <Andril> Nalioth: check it out http://www.gnome.org/projects/beagle/#running
[10:28] <GnuKemist> Nalioth it is also a breed of dog... ;)
[10:28] <ThomasWinwood> GnuKemist: Doesn't exist.
[10:29] <GnuKemist> ThomasWinwood modprobe nvram
[10:29] <Cine> its weird... under Audio Track its set as disabled everytime it starts up... I check track 1 thinking that will fix it and its still silent...
[10:29] <Cine> very strange
[10:29] <lucidblue> seveas, do you know how to install ubuntu off of the harddrive with disk?
[10:29] <ThomasWinwood> GnuKemist: And?
[10:29] <CarlK> what options do I need in fstab so my user account can write to a fat fs partition?
[10:30] <GnuKemist> lucidblueI remember reading you could install Debian this way using Knoppix...  Ubuntu should also work?
[10:30] <GnuKemist> ThomasWinwood check the permission again
[10:30] <Andril> anyone have the Industrial icon theme?
[10:30] <Nalioth> andril Seveas is beagle that diffecult to compile from source?
[10:30] <yahalom> how do i apt-get install several apps at once?
[10:30] <GnuKemist> ThomasWinwood if you see it, 1/2 of the battle is won
[10:30] <Beano> Seveas, about fucking time :D thanks for all youe help :)
[10:30] <Andril> Nalioth, for me yes - I am looking foward to the package
[10:30] <saber_> yahalom, just likst them: apt-get install app1 app2 app3
[10:30] <shale> apt-get install app1 app2 app3
[10:30] <lucidblue> gnukemist, i've never worked with debian, and I have no burnable cd's...
[10:31] <yahalom> with commas?
[10:31] <ThomasWinwood> GnuKemist: Owned by root.
[10:31] <yahalom> or no need?
[10:31] <GnuKemist> lucidblue ohh
[10:31] <Nalioth> Andril, i usually compile my own stuff
[10:31] <ThomasWinwood> But I see it.
[10:31] <GnuKemist> ThomasWinwood not sure if the best solution but I chmod 666 /dev/nvram...  it works for me
[10:31] <Zerboxx> Hey, is there a way to stop CD's from playing when you insert them??
[10:31] <lucidblue> brb
[10:32] <ThomasWinwood> GnuKemist: And?
[10:32] <Andril> Nalioth, I am a new *nix user - so it'll take me a while
[10:32] <Nalioth> andril Seveas after reading the install page, i think i'll wait also .. .. ..<lazy>
[10:32] <GnuKemist> ThomasWinwood once again, not sure what you are trying to accomplish... but at least you have access to nvram now which I believe was part of the problem?
[10:33] <Andril> Nalioth, yep it seems to a bit troublesome
[10:33] <ThomasWinwood> The problem was not seeing a wireless connection even when ndiswrapper loaded the driver.
[10:33] <yahalom> is it me or are ubuntu's servers slower now?
[10:33] <Andril> any help on locating the Industrial Icon theme - anyone?
[10:34] <XandriX> k
[10:34] <redPanda> hi all
[10:34] <GnuKemist> ThomasWinwood I'm assuming you modprobed ndiswrapper and installed the appropriate drivers?
[10:34] <Andril> redPanda, whasssup!
[10:34] <caldwell> is there an apt package for UML?
[10:34] <redPanda> Question..
[10:35] <GnuKemist> caldwell get Dia?
[10:35] <caldwell> dia?  wth is dia?
[10:35] <HiddenWolf> Seveas, just tried rebooting with both the hd0,0 options and the hd1,0 option. - hd0,0 gives me "unsupported bla" error, hd1,0 gives me "unknown filesystem type" error
[10:35] <GnuKemist> ThomasWinwood what does iwconfig [wireless device]  give you?
[10:35] <HiddenWolf> seveas, hd0,0 is my /dev/sda, hd1,0 is my /dev/hda windows disk I want to boot into
[10:35] <GnuKemist> caldwell UML app for Linux
[10:36] <caldwell> GnuKemist: thanks
[10:36] <GnuKemist> caldwell np
[10:37] <redPanda> every time I boot into Ubuntu I see warning:- VFS: can't find ext3 filesystem on hdb1.  Is this much of a problem?
[10:37] <HiddenWolf> redpanda, no harmless
[10:38] <caldwell> GnuKemist: dia - a diagram drawing program
[10:38] <GnuKemist> caldwell well, not a full blown Visio-like app  ;)
[10:38] <caldwell> GnuKemist: I was referring to UML "User-Mode-Linux"
[10:38] <caldwell> *lol*
[10:38] <GnuKemist> caldwell hehehe
[10:39] <Zerboxx> Anyone know of a good audio tag editor?
[10:39] <yahalom> what do i type in to get the commands for chan op?
[10:39] <Nalioth> Zerboxx, EasyTag?
[10:39] <GnuKemist> caldwell doesn't Gnome come with one installed already in Ubuntu?
[10:39] <yucek> easytag
[10:39] <Zerboxx> Nalioth: I'll give it a look, thanks
[10:39] <Nalioth> Zerboxx, as easily as apt
[10:39] <caldwell> GnuKemist: what does user-mode-linux have to do with Gnome?
[10:39] <guruff> anyone know how to compile stuff ? i have just a Makefile.am Makefile.in couple of c files and header files ??? how to compile this thing ???
[10:39] <Beano> anyone know how to stop streamripper ripping? :P
[10:40] <Zerboxx> Nalioth: Done and done :D I love apt
[10:40] <redPanda> thanks HiddenWolf.  Why does the warning appear?
[10:40] <caldwell> GnuKemist: google "user mode linux"
[10:40] <ucu30c> pls help
[10:40] <ucu30c> Die folgenden Pakete haben nichterfllte Abhngigkeiten:
[10:40] <ucu30c>   xfce4-panel-dev: Hngt ab: libstartup-notification0-dev soll aber nicht installiert werden
[10:40] <ucu30c> E: Kaputte Pakete
[10:40] <HiddenWolf> redpanda, becaused your /dev/hdb isn't ext3, and it seemss to expect that
[10:40] <HiddenWolf> Any grub experts here?
[10:41] <GnuKemist> caldwell already did it before...  Gnome doesn't have anything to do with UML but I thought there was something installed by default with Ubuntu
[10:41] <redPanda> Afaik the filesystem is reiserfs.
[10:42] <Reece> can sum1 help mer
[10:42] <Reece> *me
[10:42] <GnuKemist> ucu30c try connecting to #ubuntu-de
[10:42] <yahalom> Reece, what u need man?
[10:42] <ucu30c> GnuKemist, they cant solve it
[10:42] <Reece> does ubuntu work on low-spec machines?
[10:42] <yahalom> Reece, how low?
[10:42] <ucu30c> GnuKemist, its about broken pkgs
[10:43] <Reece> well
[10:43] <Reece> 32mb ram
[10:43] <GnuKemist> ucu30c but it seems to me you need someone who can speak German?
[10:43] <Reece> 1.5 gig hard drive
[10:43] <Reece> er...
[10:43] <Reece> dunno about the processor
[10:43] <Reece> its just an old laptop i had lying around
[10:43] <ucu30c> GnuKemist, not really i just want to install xfce4-panel-dev and i get that error message (in german ..)
[10:43] <GnuKemist> Reece tried Damn Small Linux? =)
[10:44] <joe|code> Can anyone tell me what repository has grubconf?
[10:44] <Reece> i see
[10:44] <yahalom> Reece, damn small linux would work, but i think ubuntu would to, can anyone back me up on that?
[10:44] <Reece> well
[10:44] <Reece> i will try ubuntu
[10:44] <GnuKemist> yahalom not sure what the system requirements are
[10:44] <Reece> if it doesnt work
[10:44] <AstralJava> Reece: RAM is a bit low, dunno if it will install. HDD space is enough, and I've installed it into an old PII running at around 300MHz. What you need to do is choose 'expert' when it prompts for choices.
[10:45] <GnuKemist> yahalom but it MAY work...  very slugish though
[10:45] <AstralJava> Then answer 'no' when it asks to download more programs from the internet.
[10:45] <Reece> ok
[10:45] <yahalom> GnuKemist, i saw them somwhere not sure where
[10:45] <KaiL> 1,5GB HD?
[10:45] <Reece> yes
[10:45] <KaiL> that's quite low..
[10:45] <GnuKemist> yahalom lemme Google for it
[10:45] <Reece> i do know that
[10:46] <Reece> thats the whole point of not putting windows on there
[10:46] <TotallyUber> ah, ./configure says:  configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check how do i fix that
[10:46] <KaiL> Reece: I'd say every modern system needs more
[10:46] <aroman> hello people...
[10:46] <KaiL> esp. more RAM and maybe more disk space
[10:46] <aroman> just a quick question.
[10:47] <AstralJava> Reece: Check this out: http://www.binonabiso.com/en/Ubuntu-miniRAM-HOWTO.html
[10:47] <aroman> How does Ubuntu handle mono packages? what versions are included, etc?
[10:47] <yahalom> Reece, u need to use xfce i think
[10:47] <GnuKemist> aroman definitely not the latest ones
[10:47] <TotallyUber> ?
[10:47] <yahalom> Reece, gnome will be too heavy
[10:47] <panjhy_> hi
[10:47] <yahalom> Reece, or fluxbox
[10:47] <AstralJava> If I recall correctly the base install only requires some 400MB of HDD space.
[10:48] <GnuKemist> Reece DSL with Fluxbox would do the trick
[10:48] <yahalom> Reece, or even IceWM but get xfce
[10:48] <aroman> GnuKemist: hmm okay...
[10:48] <GnuKemist> aroman I have it installed but it is version 1.0.x
[10:48] <KaiL> AstralJava: that page is (sorry) rubbish
[10:48] <GnuKemist> aroman did you have a specific question?
[10:48] <tsume> should state on the wiki to signup as a registered linux user ;)
[10:49] <aroman> GnuKemist: well I was wondering about mono 1.1.x series since they are recommended over the 1.0.x series
[10:49] <tsume> I seen the counter 7 years ago, but never signed up :/
[10:49] <HiddenWolf> Anyone here proficient on the topic of grub?
[10:49] <tsume> until today :)
[10:49] <ThomasWinwood> GnuKemist: All relevant ndiswrapper drivers have been installed.
[10:49] <tsume> HiddenWolf: grub likes messing up
[10:49] <KaiL> they use another window manager instead of gnome to save some disk space and maybe RAM too, but install OOo...
[10:49] <tsume> HiddenWolf: use lilo ;)
[10:49] <HiddenWolf> tsume, tell me about it
[10:49] <aroman> GnuKemist: I run Gentoo atm and I'm not sure if I should switch, considering I run a LOT of mono-related things and do a lot of mono development
[10:49] <tsume> lilo: can you boot my computer for me? :P
[10:50] <GnuKemist> aroman the "bleeding edge" version should be lots of fun to work but it hasn't been packaged AFAIK
[10:50] <tsume> aroman: you poor guy
[10:50] <GnuKemist> aroman I also run Gentoo on my AMD64 but don't have Mono since the current version doesn't have  the runtime
[10:50] <aroman> tsume: and why is that may I ask?
[10:51] <GnuKemist> ThomasWinwood what about iwconfig [device] 
[10:51] <tsume> aroman: mono is not very stable yet
[10:51] <kompulsive> can anyone help me with getting bootable CDs to finally bootup again after i've installed ubuntu onto a HD partition? it skips them and just loads ubuntu.
[10:51] <aroman> tsume: are you sure? runs VERY stable here...
[10:51] <ThomasWinwood> iwconfig shows three devices - lo, eth0 and sit0 (?!).
[10:51] <tsume> aroman: I'm sure.
[10:51] <nakata> kompulsive: in your computer BIOS set it to boot to CDROM first.
[10:51] <GnuKemist> kompulsive did you change your BIOS not to boot of the cd-rom?
[10:51] <AstralJava> KaiL: Why so?
[10:51] <tsume> aroman: and novell stole away the mono for bsd :(
[10:51] <KaiL> running OOo with 32MiB RAM is totally hopeless
[10:51] <aroman> tsume: okay... which version did you run last?
[10:51] <Andril> i keep having apps close by them self
[10:52] <aroman> 0.8? :P
[10:52] <tsume> aroman: the current release, and it made a big fat segfault on me
[10:52] <AstralJava> That might be true. And as I recall, they do say on that page that you should have more than 32MB.
[10:52] <aroman> tsume: really? did you compile yourself?
[10:52] <Zerboxx> Is it possible to stop CD Player from autoplaying?
[10:52] <GnuKemist> ThomasWinwood doesn't seem to be detecting your card... USB, isn't it?
[10:52] <tsume> aroman: yes, with gcc 3.4
[10:52] <AstralJava> But I forget, it's been a while.
[10:52] <redPanda> Does anybody know how to configur KDE so that it's dektop icons don't appear on my Gnome desktop?
[10:52] <kompulsive> yes, my BIOS is set to boot from CD
[10:52] <tsume> aroman: I wasn't very happy
[10:52] <KaiL> AstralJava: even with 256MiB on a K6-2 it takes around 10min to start
[10:52] <aroman> tsume: I'm running mono and all the mono-related things compilef from svn with gcc-3.4... rock solid :/
[10:52] <aroman> compiled*
[10:53] <nakata> redPanda: that's a Gnome issue
[10:53] <aroman> lol
[10:53] <aroman> well then... I guess I must be going :P
[10:53] <redPanda> is it a problem with Gnome?
[10:53] <aroman> I think I might switch to ubuntu... who knows.. maybe..
[10:53] <GnuKemist> aroman how about a HOWTO for us?  ;)
[10:53] <tsume> kmaynard: are you in TN?
[10:53] <tsume> aroman: its decent..
[10:53] <aroman> GnuKemist: well, if I get to switch to ubuntu.. sure :)
[10:53] <aroman> well my parents' computer runs hoary..
[10:54] <GnuKemist> aroman I have F-Spot and Blam installed in Ubuntu
[10:54] <KaiL> for Linux the CPU doesn't matter that much (not to say doesn't matter at all)
[10:54] <aroman> before, it was running windows... and I got complaints all the time..
[10:54] <aroman> guess hoe many I get now :P
[10:54] <aroman> like.. NONE
[10:54] <aroman> hehe
[10:54] <GnuKemist> aroman been there, done that
[10:54] <aroman> ;)
[10:54] <aroman> well
[10:54] <KaiL> but the RAM ist VERY VERY important - so if you have <128MiB, forget Linux+X
[10:54] <AstralJava> KaiL: Well, you start it once, and keep it up as long as the comp is on. Make coffee and take the dog out for a walk in the mean time. :)
[10:54] <aroman> perhaps in about 2 weeks when I finish my exams...
[10:54] <GnuKemist> aroman sounds good to me
[10:54] <holycow> don't listen to what KaiL is telling you
[10:54] <KaiL> and forget every other moden multiuser OS (Win2k, XP) too
[10:54] <aroman> later folks.. been nice talking to you and thanks for the info! ;)
[10:54] <holycow> thast complete crap
[10:55] <holycow> 128 megs is fine for most basic workloads
[10:55] <kmaynard> tsume: nope
[10:55] <holycow> also ignore his comment about other multiuser oses
[10:55] <holycow> all of those run fine on 128 as well
[10:55] <KaiL> holycow: and starts to swap at the second you open a xterm
[10:55] <Zerboxx> Any help with stopping CD Player's autoplay?
[10:56] <holycow> infact for windows it makes no difference how much or how little ram  you have because windows aggresively swaps REGARDLESS of how much ram you have
[10:56] <holycow> KaiL, so what, thats what a swap file if for
[10:56] <kmaynard> does smbmount exist in hoary?
[10:56] <KaiL> holycow: swapping on a hd common for that time?
[10:56] <holycow> KaiL, i think you mean to say that ideally you would like to have more than 128, yes, but 128 is workable in a great majority of workloads
[10:56] <nix000> how does one install a minimal ubuntu for a server machine ?
[10:56] <KaiL> not to mention you need every byte on the hd for other data..
[10:56] <holycow> KaiL, what about swap? windows swaps no matter what
[10:57] <holycow> even linux swaps when it has to
[10:57] <holycow> its a fact of life, swapping does not preclude a system not being adequately usefull
[10:57] <thenuke> KaiL: and I use linux with X on p133&64megs and it swaps about a few megs
[10:57] <thenuke> KaiL: so if you dont know what you are talking about, you should not talk
[10:57] <KaiL> I know, that Windows swaps like hell
[10:57] <shale> filesystem.
[10:58] <KaiL> thenuke: 1 week ago I've updated my system here - was a K6-2/500 with 256MiB RAM
[10:58] <shale> does anyone ever get a bad superblock error when running e2fsck on a ext3 partition?
[10:59] <KaiL> thenuke: and I have tried often enough around 2000 to install Linux on Pentium 1 systems
[11:00] <randabis> anyone know of a good hex editor?
[11:00] <KaiL> the X server always eate to much RAM
[11:00] <KaiL> way to much...
[11:00] <TotallyUber> how do i add to the menus in gnome? (like add a new catagory or launcher in the drawer)
[11:00] <holycow> KaiL, shush
[11:00] <holycow> :)
[11:01] <mrk182> hello!!...help me for wireless card on ubuntu 5.04------------------->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
[11:01] <TotallyUber> mrk182, ok, what kind
[11:01] <KaiL> somewhere here is a i486, 24MiB RAM - with XFree 3.3.6 and all totally lowend software - even that is close to be unusable
[11:02] <KaiL> Problem: if Linux starts to swap, it's getting VERY slow.
[11:02] <qweqw> no way that will run on 24mb of ram
[11:02] <holycow> KaiL, i don't disagree that more ram is better, all my 32 bit systems have max ram configs
[11:02] <holycow> however gnome and x will snuggly fit into 47 megs on boot
[11:03] <holycow> i can comfortably work in open office and firefox simultaneously on 128 megs ram
[11:03] <holycow> 128 doesn't seem like a lot, but in actuality it is
[11:03] <KaiL> oh, your GNOME uses -3MB?
[11:03] <TotallyUber> is there an italian channel for ubuntu
[11:03] <KaiL> interesting :)
[11:03] <KaiL> TotallyUber: #ubuntu-it
[11:03] <holycow> KaiL, no, you just haven't a clue about what your talking about
[11:03] <kompulsive> is there anyone i can get help from about ubuntu bullying its way over any bootable CD i put into my drive?
[11:03] <TotallyUber> KaiL, thanks
[11:04] <qweqw> on an old machine like that, you should install tinyX or something similar
[11:04] <KaiL> holycow: oh, you want to explain, why here the system with a naked X-Server has 50MB used
[11:04] <CarlK> kompulsive - bios not booting from CD?
[11:04] <holycow> becuse you have no idea what your doing?
[11:04] <KaiL> ...and if you run KDE or xfce doesn't matter
[11:04] <djones> qweqw, agreed, and a light weight window manager, ie not GNOME
[11:05] <KaiL> or better doesn't matter much
[11:05] <HiddenWolf> Anyone here proficient on the topic of grub?
[11:05] <KaiL> 8MB difference
[11:05] <qweqw> definitely not GNOME
[11:05] <qweqw> man
[11:05] <KaiL> holycow: and now you want to explain, how to save many RAM..?
[11:05] <holycow> KaiL, just shutup, you clearly haven't ever done the test
[11:06] <holycow> just quit making stuff up and your golden
[11:06] <qweqw> it would be torture just launching a program from a menu
[11:06] <KaiL> holycow: now what?
[11:06] <holycow> now what what?
[11:06] <holycow> i've said my piece
[11:06] <KaiL> do you want to troll or do you want to explain, how to save RAM?
[11:07] <holycow> it's important for noobs not to listen to you becaue you are giving them wrong information
[11:07] <KaiL> I know what I have seen - and by god, I've worked with more than enough totally outdated computers...
[11:07] <qweqw> the blind leading the blind..
[11:07] <goldfish> hey guys, are the nvidia drivers from apt-get, the latest nvidia drivers out?
[11:07] <djones> kompulsive, ubuntu can't override a bootable CD if your BIOS is set to boot from CD first.  Ubuntu's bootloader lives on the HDD, and so the HDD would have to be read...
[11:07] <holycow> you are free now to go on as much as you like about nonsense
[11:07] <qweqw> the newest version is 7XXX
[11:07] <KaiL> goldfish: yes
[11:07] <goldfish> thanks
[11:08] <ThomasWinwood> Anyone able to help with this USB wifi card?
[11:08] <KaiL> ThomasWinwood: asked google?
[11:08] <ThomasWinwood> Nothing helpful.
[11:08] <tsume> heres a qhacky question, is there a runtime for C# applets in browser? ;)
[11:08] <djones> KaiL, shut-up
[11:08] <homer> woot i got my 446 ubuntu disks today
[11:08] <homer> my mom was angry :\
[11:09] <holycow> tsume, thankfully no
[11:09] <homer> she thought i bought all of them rofl
[11:09] <holycow> :)
[11:09] <thechitowncubs> does anyone use Beagle?
[11:09] <KaiL> djones: hm?
[11:09] <JaGWiRE```> homer
[11:09] <JaGWiRE```> you ordered 446 ubuntu cd's?
[11:09] <tsume> holycow: well its better than the crap called java
[11:09] <JaGWiRE```> What? You giving em to every friend and preson you met? Or just everyone in your company?
[11:09] <KaiL> homer: how big is that box?
[11:09] <tsume> holycow: PythonNet + mono ;)
[11:09] <holycow> tsume, *cough* bullshit *cough*
[11:09] <holycow> :)
[11:09] <holycow> come back when you have some libraries to use
[11:09] <busfahrer> homer: We want pictures.
[11:10] <tsume> holycow: you are full of it ;)
[11:10] <homer> KaiL, there's 5 boxes
[11:10] <holycow> tsume, your the one using c#
[11:10] <holycow> -_-
[11:11] <busfahrer> homer: How long did they take and where do you live?
[11:11] <tosti> help me, please...
[11:11] <kompulsive> djones: i know my machine(s) and how the BIOS works. the BIOS is infact set to boot from CD first and does check for bootable discs. the problem is that it doesn't boot into them or give me the option to boot from them at all before starting the ubuntu load-up.
[11:11] <tosti> help me please... how to change (at startup) font and keymap on all tty's?
[11:11] <homer> busfahrer, Texas and it took about 4 months rofl
[11:11] <busfahrer> lol
[11:11] <tsume> holycow: not yet actually
[11:11] <homer> i completely forgot about them
[11:11] <yahalom> what is the gaim with webcam support called?
[11:11] <kakalto> does anyone have any ideas of why my sound stopped working, even though it was working before?
[11:11] <holycow> tsume, i'm buggin ya mostly, all cool, use .net for all i care
[11:12] <kakalto> I don't remember changing anything to do with sound, so why has it screwed up?
[11:12] <tsume> holycow: well, if I could plug in python code using C#, it would be nice
[11:12] <djones> kompulsive, what I'm suggesting is that it isn't something ubuntu can effect, as it lives on the HDD and is loaded after the BIOS checks for a bootable CD.
[11:12] <kompulsive> kakalto: sorry, i don't have a clue what the problem is, but don't you love the kinda problems that literally come out of nowhere for no apparent reason at all?
[11:13] <CarlK> kompulsive -I have seen that
[11:13] <kakalto> kompulsive, absolutely :(
[11:13] <holycow> tsume, i never got the fixation with .net and c#, you can plug python code with jython
[11:13] <holycow> tsume, but i guess some people preffer chinese food, others korean
[11:13] <holycow> *shrug*
[11:13] <CarlK> kompulsive - I think it is caused when the CD drive can't read the CD in time and the BIOS goes on
[11:13] <HiddenWolf> Can anyone here help me with grub, it doesn't listen to my device.map
[11:13] <tsume> holycow: right, because korean food is _nasty_
[11:13] <TotallyUber> wow
[11:13] <kakalto> CarlK, depending on what kind of problem it is
[11:14] <kakalto> CarlK, mine's to do with sound
[11:14] <kakalto> any
[11:14] <djones> HiddenWolf, you might have better luck with your grub question in #debian
[11:14] <CarlK> kakalto?
[11:14] <TotallyUber> the WG111 from netgear includes a file on its CD called ndis5... guess what its for?
[11:14] <kakalto> no program can play sound, except under windows
[11:14] <ThomasWinwood> Damn Windows.
[11:14] <kakalto> under linux, something thoroughly screwed up
[11:14] <KaiL> TotallyUber: it's a Windows driver? ;)
[11:14] <ThomasWinwood> Just bluescreened on me.
[11:14] <HiddenWolf> djones, I'll try that, thanks
[11:14] <TotallyUber> ;)
[11:15] <ThomasWinwood> KaiL: Google returned nothing useful.
[11:15] <kompulsive> the netadmin-nazi at the community college i attend lovvvvvvved it when i popped an ubuntu live disc into one of the new computer lab PCs earlier today.
[11:15] <holycow> kompulsive, what happened?
[11:15] <TotallyUber> kompulsive, did he love it more when you typed cfdisk?
[11:15] <kakalto> I found a generic guide to configuring sound on the net yesterday, but it didn't fix my sound issue
[11:16] <CarlK> kompulsive - then he is lamer than my local public library's admin ;)
[11:16] <TotallyUber> kakalto, can i have a link to that guid?
[11:16] <kakalto> TotallyUber, sorry, I'm not sure if I could find it
[11:16] <kakalto> give me a few moments
[11:16] <TotallyUber> kakalto, k np
[11:17] <kakalto> TotallyUber, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=26567&highlight=linux+sound
[11:17] <CarlK> kompulsive - I spent over 4 hours tryiung to do anythig to a bunch of win98 boxes with internet access.  bios was protected, no boot from CD or floppy, couldn't run an exe, etc
[11:17] <holycow> kompulsive, did you actually manage to get online before getting caught?
[11:17] <kakalto> I love kde's history sorting :D
[11:18] <kompulsive> holycow: not much but comedy happened. i booted into ubuntu flawlessly while students with an average level of computer knowledge at surrounding computers got the nervous, "oh my god i don't think he's suppose to be there!"-look on their face.
[11:18] <shopeonarope> is this a good place to come for help with network probelms?
[11:18] <CarlK> kompulsive - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SmartBootManagerHowto
[11:19] <CarlK> if you can get that on a floppy, then that will boot your CD
[11:19] <CarlK> also, I think you can make it a grub option
[11:19] <CarlK> may need to do something with memdisk
[11:19] <kompulsive> holycow: did a portscan on a small section of the network then commenced to send a msg to craig(network admin at the school)'s machine that included "cottoneyed joe" playing at fullblast.
[11:19] <holycow> kompulsive, just out of curiosity, did you get online?  did you manage to mount the windows hd?
[11:19] <blueyed> I have to use pppoeconfig everytime after reboot. Here is my /etc/network/interfaces: http://paste.husk.org/3127 Ideas, please?
[11:19] <holycow> just curious how 'lax' they are :)
[11:19] <shopeonarope> my network device is no longer configured how can i fix it
[11:20] <holycow> kompulsive, rofl nice
[11:20] <kakalto> I suppose I'll just post on the forums
[11:20] <shopeonarope> i try to enable it in kde and it won't
[11:20] <kakalto> and hope for an answer
[11:20] <kompulsive> holycow: yes, but i only ventured within the network to joke with craig. we are cool as hell so he knew it wasn't a malicious attack. technically i could've been suspended from the college.
[11:21] <kompulsive> carlk: thanks for the link.
[11:21] <holycow> heh
[11:21] <shopeonarope> can anyone help the new guy?
[11:21] <CarlK> your;re welcom
[11:21] <kompulsive> it mounted the machine fine though, i was surprised.
[11:21] <kompulsive> shopeonarope: what's he need help with?
[11:22] <shopeonarope> my onboard network card isn't working anymore in ubuntu
[11:23] <kompulsive> holycow: he's pretty laid back and didn't mind the cotton-eyed joe song. nothing like the time i hit 'em with the ole' "goatse.cs" link. i think that'll always be everyone's favorite.
[11:23] <shopeonarope> it stopped working after during a boot up linux did some sort of HDD fixing
[11:23] <holy_cow> shopeonarope, funny you mention that
[11:23] <shopeonarope> why
[11:23] <holy_cow> i had a reiser glitch last night
[11:23] <kompulsive> disclaimer: if you don't know about the evil, evil "goatse.cx" prank, don't check the url.
[11:23] <holy_cow> your not the first person today to mention that
[11:24] <holy_cow> are you running reiser by any chance?
[11:24] <XandriX> does anyone here know mako personaly ???
[11:24] <shopeonarope> i tink so
[11:24] <XandriX> or jdub ?
[11:24] <Levander> Any good gnome panel applets to visuallynotify me of new mail?  And to display the sender &/ subject of that mail?
[11:24] <Burgundavia> XandriX, why?
[11:24] <ubuntu_> hi all
[11:24] <Burgundavia> Levander, mail-notifier
[11:24] <KaiL> ..."if you need reiserfsck, start searching for your backup"
[11:25] <XandriX> Burgundavia, i talked to him yesterday (mako) and when he awnserd i wasent there and i wantes to tell him to check his mail and i also wnated to talk to him about other stuff
[11:25] <selinium> Has anyone here used redhat in the past?
[11:25] <yahalom> what do most users use? ext3 or reiserfs?
[11:25] <XandriX> *wanted and i missed him ...
[11:25] <shopeonarope> i tried to enable my network card and it enables then disables
[11:25] <Levander> Burgundavia: there's an ubuntu package that contains mail-notifier?
[11:25] <Burgundavia> XandriX, he is in the middle of major conference right now. Very very busy
[11:25] <TotallyUber> bah
[11:25] <KaiL> selinium: long long ago, why?
[11:25] <yahalom> selinium, fedora 3
[11:25] <Burgundavia> Levander, yes, do a search for it
[11:25] <XandriX> ooooooooo
[11:25] <TotallyUber> someone help me with muine plz
[11:25] <holy_cow> i use reiser today was my first blip, i don't know if its an hardware or software issue yet
[11:25] <Burgundavia> selinium, RH 8
[11:25] <TotallyUber> it wont play
[11:25] <XandriX> Burgundavia, and jdub ?
[11:25] <Burgundavia> yahalom, ext3
[11:25] <holy_cow> didn't loose anything
[11:26] <TotallyUber> it just closes itsself
[11:26] <Burgundavia> XandriX, all Ubuntu/Canonical people are
[11:26] <yahalom> Burgundavia, why?
[11:26] <hybrid> hello all
[11:26] <kompulsive> anyone here fairly experienced in the ninjuitsu art of intrusion detection? i've got a few questions.
[11:26] <XandriX> crap
[11:26] <XandriX> what conference is it
[11:26] <Levander> Burgundavia: well, did a packages.ubuntu.com search, nothing came back
[11:26] <Burgundavia> XandriX, for that matter most of the major community members are too
[11:26] <cusco> hi does anyone here that uses gtkpod is able to put .ogg files into their ipods?
[11:26] <Burgundavia> XandriX, the Breezy planning conference
[11:26] <XandriX> where is it held ??
[11:26] <Burgundavia> yahalom, ext3 is default and it is stable
[11:26] <selinium> Hi all, I have a client that wishes to put a wifi system on an old redhat 7.3 system. They do not wish to upgrade (can't think why?) Do i just need to persuade them to install Ubuntu, or can I get wifi to work on it?
[11:26] <shopeonarope> how do i fix my network card?
[11:27] <kakalto> what's the command to look at all the devices connected to your computer?
[11:27] <djones> HiddenWolf, you probably shouldn't mention ubuntu in #debian, they're a little sensitive about the branching.
[11:27] <Burgundavia> XandriX, this one is in Aussie, but the previous one was Spain
[11:27] <yahalom> Burgundavia, point take :)
[11:27] <XandriX> will there ever be one in canada
[11:27] <kakalto> anyone?
[11:27] <yahalom> selinium, get them to install ubuntu :)
[11:27] <Burgundavia> XandriX, there will never be one in the states
[11:27] <blueprism> hey anyone that could point me to a website containing a tutorial how to install apache and php and mysql on ubuntu ?
[11:27] <XandriX> canada
[11:28] <Burgundavia> kakalto, what kind of devices?
[11:28] <XandriX> and why not in the states ?
[11:28] <kakalto> blueprism, google?
[11:28] <Burgundavia> XandriX, long history
[11:28] <kakalto> Burgundavia, sound
[11:28] <XandriX> and canada ???
[11:28] <martin> hallo
[11:28] <olorin> blueprism: sudo apt-get install apache2 mysql-server php4
[11:28] <Burgundavia> XandriX, don't see why not
[11:28] <XandriX> k
[11:28] <selinium> blueprism: www.ubuntuguide.org
[11:28] <XandriX> id like to know i am in canada lol
[11:28] <Burgundavia> kakalto, system->admin-->device manager
[11:28] <Burgundavia> XandriX, Victoria BC
[11:28] <kakalto> Burgundavia, thankyou, even though I don't use gnome, I get the idea
[11:29] <XandriX> Ile Perroy Quebec
[11:29] <XandriX> *Perrot
[11:29] <Burgundavia> XandriX, there is one dev from Canada
[11:29] <XandriX> who ?
[11:29] <Levander> Burgundavia: says mail-notifier isn't in hoary: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-3882.html
[11:29] <selinium> Burgundavia Kail yahalom: Would replacing redhat with ubuntu cause any problems? I am fairly new to Linux. THey are using Redhat for some tills in a shop.
[11:29] <nydust>  /msg NickServ IDENTIFY 1234
[11:29] <Burgundavia> bradb, he works on launchpad
[11:29] <abood> guys, i wana ask if the ubuntu had a proplem with the internet connection, because its connect for about 15 min and it gets disconnected i tried to up the ipv6 n ip n pon the dsl restarting network and wont work, unless it connects by itself after couple of mins, any idea about this ?????
[11:29] <djones> kakalto, lsmod might do the trick.
[11:29] <XandriX> k
[11:29] <selinium> nydust: OOOPS :)
[11:29] <Burgundavia> Levander, I used something out of the repos in the past
[11:29] <kakalto> djones, that's what I was looking for :)
[11:29] <djones> nydust, woops! ;)
[11:29] <TotallyUber> anyone here use muine?
[11:29] <kompulsive> selinium: "figure it out yourself. that's what your 'client' is paying YOU for afterall, isn't it?"
[11:30] <TotallyUber> its segfaultin
[11:30] <Levander> Burgundavia: it was in warty
[11:30] <Levander> Burgundavia: not hoary, according to that link anyway
[11:30] <tony> hi
[11:30] <djones> nydust, 1234 is what I use on my breifcase
[11:30] <Burgundavia> Levander, mail-notification is in the repos
[11:30] <ThomasWinwood> I got it working! :D
[11:30] <selinium> kompulsive: Sadly, when I say client, I mean the girlfriends fathers client! He just asked the question
[11:30] <kompulsive> selinium: just kidding, that's a response i got back when i was a gentoo n00b once. but, on the real, definately show them ubuntu in action and i think it'll convince them on it's own.
[11:30] <SiRrUs> hello
[11:30] <hybrid> hi
[11:31] <ThomasWinwood> I switched the USB card for a wireless Ethernet card.
[11:31] <HiddenWolf> djones, can you do anything to help me?
[11:31] <TotallyUber> anyone?!
[11:32] <xMaximex> Is there a rescue mode with the installation cd ?
[11:32] <hybrid> when will breezy developement resume?
[11:32] <Burgundavia> xMaximex, type rescue at the prompt
[11:32] <hybrid> lol
[11:32] <djones> HiddenWolf, I see everyone is doing a good job of ignoring you question :)
[11:32] <Levander> Burgundavia: okay, thanks! I'm trying to install and get running now...
[11:32] <Burgundavia> hybrid, it has already started. Mostof the devs are at the Breezy planning conf right now
[11:32] <xMaximex> Burgundavia, that doesn't work
[11:32] <hybrid> XandirX: how old are you?
[11:32] <djones> hiddenwolf: is windows the only partition on hda?
[11:32] <kompulsive> selinium: if he's ignorant enough (the client) to somehow have the preference of sticking with redhat while he hires someone else to deal with an issue it has, you'll be able to use the "redhat is no more, here's the new bigger, better, client" ploy.
[11:32] <maltje> hi tony
[11:32] <HiddenWolf> djones, yes
[11:33] <tony> yo
[11:33] <Burgundavia> xMaximex, what is the issue?
[11:33] <TotallyUber> who can help withj muine?
[11:33] <hybrid> Burgundavia: when will they be done with the conf?
[11:33] <Burgundavia> hybrid, April 30
[11:33] <selinium> kompulsive: :)  Ubuntu is may first foray into the land of linux. I don't even boot the Windows system anymore! I suppose the question really is if changing from redhat to ubuntu would cause any problems.
[11:33] <xMaximex> Burgundavia, i dont remember ... let me try again .. brb
[11:33] <selinium> kompulsive: cheers for the pointer!
[11:33] <hybrid> Burgundavia: so they wont really start up untill then?
[11:34] <Burgundavia> hybrid, they are planning the next release, then the serious hacking will begin
[11:34] <tony> how can i set my resolution on everytime i reboot?
[11:34] <kompulsive> selinium: STAYING in redhat will cause problems in my opinion. it's "discontinued" if you will.
[11:34] <XandriX> cananyone ship me a cigar
[11:34] <Burgundavia> tony, it should just do it, what is it doing?
[11:34] <hybrid> Burgundavia: ok ty
[11:34] <djones> hiddenwolf, i've always had to reinstall grub when i had a problem
[11:34] <hybrid> XandirX: how old are you? i bet i am younger
[11:34] <tony> it set is to to 1280*960
[11:35] <HiddenWolf> djones, purge it, you mean?
[11:35] <TotallyUber> who uses muine?
[11:35] <cusco> hi... how can I install transcode?
[11:35] <Burgundavia> TotallyUber, I do
[11:35] <tony> but on reboot it's changed to 1900*?
[11:35] <selinium> kompulsive: Redhat is dead, long live fedora? or red hat is dead, totally dead?
[11:35] <XandriX> 15 soon 16
[11:35] <XandriX> u ?
[11:35] <kompulsive> burgundavia: ....how do you like Breeze? it looks pretty spiffy. (you're talking about the macromedia conference software, right?)
[11:35] <TotallyUber> Burgundavia, can you help me then? mind if i message you?
[11:35] <hybrid> XandriX: 14
[11:35] <hybrid> turn 15 in Dec
[11:35] <XandriX> do u smoke ?
[11:35] <hybrid> :P
[11:35] <decaf> is there anyone from belgium to help tony ?
[11:35] <XandriX> ;P
[11:36] <djones> hiddenwolf, i don't know what I mean, I think the command is install-grub or something
[11:36] <Burgundavia> kompulsive, no, I am talking about UbuntuDownUnder, the development conference for Ubuntu/Canonicla
[11:36] <hybrid> XandriX : nah but msg me
[11:36] <Burgundavia> TotallyUber, sure
[11:36] <XandriX> decaf, what language does he speal
[11:36] <olorin> decaf: from belgium ?
[11:36] <XandriX> *speak
[11:36] <selinium> kompulsive burgundavia: I saw marcomedia demo breeze, it looks fantastic, licenses where a bit expensive though!
[11:36] <cusco> does anyone knows how can I install transcode please?
[11:36] <maltje> tony hoe zit het?
[11:36] <HiddenWolf> djones, can I pm you?
[11:36] <kompulsive> selinium: long life ff.....fidel! i shrug at the mention of fedora for the most part. i really only focus on gentoo/gentoo-hardened/ipcop/ubuntu when it comes to linux.
[11:36] <holy_cow> selinium, i dare you to try use it tho
[11:36] <tony> i speak dutch but understand english
[11:36] <holy_cow> -_-
[11:36] <Burgundavia> selinium, breeze? breezy badger is the next Ubuntu release
[11:36] <maltje> pak is aan tony
[11:37] <tony> pak?
[11:37] <djones> hiddenwolf: sure
[11:37] <maltje> ik ben u ne file aant sture
[11:37] <selinium> Bugundavia: Oh... I was wondering what animal they would use next!
[11:37] <HiddenWolf> mailtje, try speaking english, for the vast majority of people here
[11:37] <maltje> it is maltje
[11:37] <maltje> lol
[11:37] <olorin> tony: i'm belgian but i speak french :d
[11:37] <Burgundavia> selinium, they are also thinking about Grumpy Groundhog
[11:37] <tony> i already closed that file maltje
[11:37] <maltje> tony i'm sending you a file
[11:37] <tony> my french it so bad
[11:38] <Burgundavia> selinium, that woudl be a rolling release, pulling and buildng things straight out of Upstream source control
[11:38] <mrk182> there is an user that speaks italian??????-----------------------------<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
[11:38] <Burgundavia> mrk182, have you tried #ubuntu-it ?
[11:38] <maltje> I gonna have a cold breezer
[11:38] <holy_cow> lots of italians here tuday
[11:39] <holy_cow> ubuntu must be getting some coverage over there
[11:39] <selinium> Burgundavia: cool, when will they let us play with it?
[11:39] <phlax> hi - does anyone know of a ubuntu package that can copy dvds on-the-fly?
[11:39] <Burgundavia> selinium, no idea. take a look at http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/ for all the cool things they are planning
[11:40] <jackmacokc> what do you mean copy on the fly?
[11:40] <phlax> not make an iso image
[11:40] <phlax> i have v little hdd space
[11:40] <jackmacokc> oh..so dvd to dvd
[11:40] <phlax> yep
[11:40] <selinium> Burgundavia: Cheers!
[11:40] <jackmacokc> hmm..i dont know any for ubuntu that can do that...but a good question. did you check videohelp.com?
[11:41] <kompulsive> selinium: short of busting out my personal fanboy mascot uniform for each of the aforementioned linux flavors and proving that "my team is better" at the top of my lungs, it need not be said that they all excel at what they're intended for and it isn't a coincidence that they have brutally loyal user communities and consistent release schedules to prove it.
[11:42] <xMaximex> Burgundavia, ok, that work
[11:42] <Zerboxx> Is prelinking a good thing to do?
[11:42] <selinium> kompulsive: LOL. I take it the best way of going forward with this till thing would be to get there software and see if it runs on Ubuntu?
[11:42] <abbot45> whats a program that copies DVDs the regualr way?  i just got a burner.
[11:43] <jackmacokc> dvd::rip
[11:43] <Blissex> Zerboxx: depends, but usually pretty good. It can be VERY good.
[11:43] <Zerboxx> Blissex: So it shouldn't be "bad" though...right? :)
[11:43] <abbot45> does that burn them too or just make an ISO that you burn to the DVD with another program?
[11:43] <abood> guys, i wana ask if the ubuntu can open .deb packages, and can any body give me a link on how can i get mplayer im facing proplem with getting it . :(
[11:43] <kompulsive> selinium: absolutely, what "software" is it?
[11:44] <Blissex> Zerboxx: as a rule it should not be bad. There can be pathological situations in which it conceivably can be, but they must be pretty rare.
[11:44] <jackmacokc> just makes the iso i believe..i havent actually used it yet
[11:44] <abbot45> ah
[11:44] <jackmacokc> i've heard good things though
[11:44] <abbot45> cool.
[11:44] <olorin> abood: just add the nerim repository
[11:44] <Blissex> kompulsive: do a search for the Marillat APT repository on NERIM
[11:44] <Zerboxx> Blissex: What is prelinking? just curious
[11:44] <abood> olorin, i did , but it wont work
[11:44] <olorin> nerim unstable ?
[11:44] <kompulsive> selinium: even though if it ran on redhat, it'll probably be compatible or have source that works fine with ubuntu. structure-wise, it isn't much of a leap at all from redhat.
[11:44] <abood> yes
[11:44] <olorin> abood: nerim unstable ?
[11:45] <abood> olorin,  yes
[11:45] <olorin> abood: what's the problem ?
[11:45] <kompulsive> brb
[11:45] <Blissex> Zerboxx: it is a very technical technique of technology. :-) Are you entirely familiar with dynamic linkers and share object tech?
[11:45] <abood> olorin, let me paste u the error lines in pvt
[11:45] <Zerboxx> Blissex: lol, of course not, so I'll just define it as "magic"
[11:45] <phlax> abbot45: k3b, gnomebaker
[11:46] <selinium> kompulsive: It is an electronic till, I have not yet seen it working yet. I believe it is bespoke. So i will have to find out what processes it uses, but apart from that i think it shouldn't be too hard!
[11:46] <olorin> abood: i wait :)
[11:46] <phlax> abbot45: ...i think but i dont have enuff space to try them.
[11:47] <Zerboxx> Blissex: ...as long as it doesn't start a program before I even have thought of starting it, I'm happy :)
[11:47] <Blissex> Zerboxx: that feature will be in the next release :-)
[11:47] <selinium> Is any one here using X-chat? Does anyone know how to get it to perform an instruction on loading? ie /msg NickServ IDENTIFY <password>
[11:47] <Jave27> Quick question: I have a laptop, and the max screen resolution is 800x600...  How can I change the virtual resolution to 1024x768 and allow my mouse movements to scroll the screen?  I've seen it in other distos, but have no idea how to enable it in Ubuntu.. ?
[11:47] <Zerboxx> Blissex: lol!
[11:48] <Blissex> selinium: consider as an aside to read http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxHelpAsk.html
[11:49] <olorin> abood: so ?
[11:49] <Burgundavia> selinium, add your password to the nickserver password field
[11:51] <abood> olorin, just a min dude im resetting the source.list to find the errors lines
[11:53] <Zerboxx> When I do "xine-check" it brings up a warning about DMA, that has stopped the choppyness, where can I put that code so it occurs while booting up?
[11:53] <Zerboxx> (I don't remember the code at this moment :s)
[11:53] <Zerboxx> Oh, something about hdparm /dev/hda and DMA=1 or something
[11:55] <amichai> anyone here use fglrx?
[11:56] <jordanau> amichai,  as in the ati drivers? yeah i do
[11:56] <amichai> jordanau, do u use cedega?
[11:56] <jordanau> amichai, sorry no
[11:56] <abbot45> bah.  im trying to grab dvd::rip but there are dependancies for some of its dependancies that dont have new enough versions available in my repositories?  how can i fix that???
[11:57] <amichai> jordanau, what is the best method of tls to use, default, fast, or compatible?
[11:57] <jordanau> amichai, i have no clue, are you having problems?
[11:57] <Marble2> ugh, can I view a list of programs recently installed through apt-get?
[11:57] <amichai> jordanau, dont know yet, what did u choose?
[11:58] <jordanau> amichai, are you running x config right now i guess?
[11:58] <amichai> Marble2, synaptic
[11:58] <amichai> jordanau, yes
[11:58] <amichai> jordanau, until now i've chosen compatible
[11:58] <amichai> jordanau, and its worked
[11:58] <falcon3> anyone has CrossOver ?
[11:58] <Marble2> amblin: where do I go in synaptic
[11:59] <amichai> Marble2, system>admin>synaptic
[11:59] <jackmacokc> abbot45: you're missing transcoder right?
[11:59] <abbot45> yeah
[11:59] <jordanau> amichai, i really dont know, i think i used default, there are howtos on it let me see if i can find it
[11:59] <falcon3> in Crossover Office Pro: When trying to install Dreamweaver MX, it says it's downloading a file with 'com' in it. there the app hangs and my pc gets really slow
[12:00] <abbot45> and some of its dependancies down the line arent available