[12:01] <whiskey_2> ojw_, they don't encode good on linux....someone asked to see the ogg version that wanted to see how ogg works....and uh...they asked me to make it for them....but so far it has been a real pain....becuase for some reason they used the MS shit to make it
[12:01] <gdh> my one-stop shop for X auth problems being root has always been "xhost +local:" - probably hugely insecure, but works fine for me
[12:02] <pinny> ok im gonna butt in with anothe stupid question
[12:02] <pinny> why shouldnt i always log in as root
[12:02] <pinny> i know its a security breach
[12:02] <ojw_> idiot-proofs your computer, pinny ;-)
[12:02] <ojw_> like a trigger-guard
[12:02] <smouche> easy answer pinny, because it's fucking dangerous.
[12:02] <pinny> but i ran as root in windows
[12:02] <pinny> i was happy
[12:02] <ojw_> exactly
[12:02] <gdh> and you got pwned :)
[12:03] <pinny> not cause i accidently pressed stuff
[12:03] <gdh> (although you might noy even have noticed :)
[12:03] <pinny> rather because windows bl0ws
[12:03] <gdh> pinny: Yep, and if you log in as a normal user on windows, you immediately reduce the impact on your system... 
[12:03] <ojw_> whiskey_2: what's the problem with "oggenc filename.wav"?
[12:04] <gdh> Unfortunatley, most windows software is too shit to be non-Administrator compatible
[12:04] <whiskey_2> ojw_, i only made one movie successfully so far...and the sound stutters as it tries to sync to the video or somehting.....don't ask me....that is why they want to see the real thing in action
[12:04] <KaiL_> even MS software is...
[12:05] <whiskey_2> ojw_, but for some reason...they chose the MS platform to build the thing and this causes severe incompatibilities with Linux
[12:06] <KaiL_> pinny: on Unix root can destroy anything, read anything and doesn't even get's breaked by any file permissions
[12:06] <KaiL_> the windows "Administrator" has way fewer permissions
[12:07] <KaiL_> as you can tell the os to permit him from deleting stuff or reading user files
[12:07] <pinny> but who cares if my system breaks
[12:07] <pinny> im not running a server
[12:07] <pinny> im just using my laptop for typing
[12:07] <pinny> and internet
[12:07] <KaiL_> you care? :)
[12:07] <pinny> all my files are backed up
[12:08] <pinny> and i could just as easily screw it up
[12:08] <pinny> by being me and typing sudo
[12:08] <KaiL_> and now somebody get's you to type a "rm -rf /"...
[12:08] <KaiL_> that deletes everything
[12:08] <pv_> There is little advantage being root all the time.
[12:09] <KaiL_> no warning, nothing
[12:09] <pinny> who would tell me to do that
[12:09] <pinny> but i see
[12:09] <pinny> point well taken
[12:10] <pinny> but still
[12:10] <KaiL_> most some rtfm-Assholes
[12:10] <pinny> they could just tell me to type sudo rtfm
[12:10] <pinny> *sudo rm -rf
[12:10] <KaiL_> if you need to enter your password, you *should* be alarmed :)
[12:11] <smouche> if nothing else, Windows trains the user with foresight to back stuff up constantly...
[12:11] <KaiL_> hehe
[12:11] <pinny> still...
[12:11] <pinny> im not convinced
[12:12] <KaiL_> smouche: recent harddisks do that too
[12:12] <smouche> that way, the system crashes less often, waiting, biding its time till when -- you >haven't< backed up!
[12:12] <pinny> i have a 160gb external drive tha i  back everything up to
[12:13] <pinny> heh i have 100gb free thou
[12:13] <KaiL_> pinny: as I said, if you work as root, your brain is the only thing between you and a empty hd
[12:13] <smouche> the problem is when you fill one of those huge drives with new stuff, and you have no place to back up to!
[12:13] <KaiL_> not the slightliest warning...
[12:13] <pinny> it's impossible to fill 160gb
[12:13] <pinny> aha i see what you guys are saying
[12:14] <smouche> tell me about it.  Somehow an exploit managed to erase the file system on a large drive on my windows box.
[12:14] <KaiL_> currently there's a worm deleting all mp3 files on windows
[12:15] <KaiL_> I won't be happy, if my 13GB Dream Dance collection would be gone...
[12:15] <smouche> I hope they trace it back to the RIAA!  and fine them to oblivion, jail the leaders...
[12:16] <KaiL_> yes, thought the same
[12:17] <smouche> I had my anti-virus turned off for maybe ten minutes, I was too stupid to unplug the box from the cable...
[12:17] <KaiL_> that's realy dangerous with Windows...
[12:18] <KaiL_> 9 worms today...
[12:18] <smouche> lethal.  I wasn't even running any P2P, I was squeeky clean with everything on there...
[12:21] <Tm_T> aesh
[12:21] <whiskey_2> smouche, well it is the RIAA that is spreading all the viruses and worms....they have the money to buy all the latest ones and ruin everybody's computers
[12:22] <Shaquile> Tm_T: Still awake :)
[12:22] <KaiL_> smouche: and after that you decided to try kubuntu?
[12:23] <smouche> KaiL_ heh heh, before actually.  I think this was windows striking back in a fit of jealousy
[12:23] <KaiL_> ah
[12:23] <KaiL_> but at least it was the final "now it's enough"?
[12:24] <Tm_T> Shaquile: yes :)
[12:24] <Tm_T> Shaquile: I tried, but just cant sleep yet
[12:24] <Shaquile> Tm_T: Me either =(
[12:25] <KaiL_> on one of my computers I had a Windows 98 still left after everything was already defaulted to Linux
[12:25] <Shaquile> Tm_T: Can you speak swedish?
[12:25] <KaiL_> after some months I tried to boot that Windows... guess, what happened
[12:25] <smouche> I generally have the reverse problem. I'm a near-narcoleptic.
[12:25] <smouche> blue screen of death?
[12:25] <KaiL_> bingo
[12:25] <smouche> lol
[12:26] <smouche> Win98 was unbelievably unstable.
[12:26] <KaiL_> so I rebooted, ran mke2fs and had 6GB more free space :)
[12:26] <Tm_T> Shaquile: really poorly
[12:26] <whiskey_2> smouche, win98 is very stable...it has been running a web server for more than one month without shutdown
[12:26] <smouche> what's mke2fs, KaiL_?
[12:26] <whiskey_2> smouche, and no memory leaks either
[12:26] <KaiL_> smouche: creating an ext2 filesystem
[12:27] <smouche> Win98 SE, yes?  first edition of win98 sucked for me.
[12:27] <KaiL_> "my Windows is really stable, it run's a whole month while idling" :))
[12:27] <smouche> ah, thank you KaiL_
[12:27] <whiskey_2> smouche, yes well i paid MS more than $100 to fix it...and they did a good job
[12:27] <Shaquile> Tm_T: puhutaan suomalainen? 
[12:28] <Shaquile> Tm_T: I suck at finish =) 
[12:28] <Shaquile> finnish
[12:28] <Shaquile> whatever
[12:29] <whiskey_2> KaiL_, well it is unused because i don't have anything more that needs to be done on windows
[12:29] <KaiL_> Shaquile: if you can even read it, you are way better than most in here
[12:29] <whiskey_2> KaiL_, it is the Linux platform that still needs some work
[12:29] <Shaquile> KaiL_: :)
[12:29] <smouche> I only need my windows box to watch tv - 'cause freakin' ati tuner card won't work in linux
[12:30] <Shaquile> KaiL_: You know that Linus Thorwalds were from Finland?
[12:30] <KaiL_> flame ATI for that...:)
[12:30] <KaiL_> Shaquile: from a swedish speaking minority afair, yes ;)
[12:30] <Shaquile> KaiL_: Hehe =)
[12:31] <Shaquile> KaiL_: Where you from?
[12:31] <KaiL_> nothern Germany
[12:31] <Shaquile> Cool..
[12:31] <KaiL_> northern..
[12:31] <KaiL_> more "Cold" ;)
[12:31] <Shaquile> omg i farted and it stink more than I thought... brb
[12:31] <smouche> "Finland" is actually the Swedish name for Suomi, isn't it?
[12:31] <KaiL_> and wet today
[12:32] <KaiL_> smouche: it's used in a germanic languages
[12:32] <KaiL_> in all...
[12:33] <smouche> I see.
[12:33] <KaiL_> many skandinavians here btw.
[12:33] <factorx> gn8
[12:40] <kkathman> can anyone recommend a good graphical FTP program ?
[12:40] <Shaquile> There is none
[12:41] <Shaquile> IglooFTP but it costs
[12:41] <smouche> konqueror doesn't do it for you?  I don't know, haven't tried.
[12:41] <kkathman> I downloaded one, but I needed the qt3 libs..and Im uneasy about installing those
[12:41] <Shaquile> KaiL_: but cold? It cant be to cold... I mean you further down than Sweden
[12:42] <whiskey_2> kkathman, gftp is running here and very consistent with gnome
[12:42] <KaiL_> ok, depends on what you call cold
[12:42] <whiskey_2> kkathman, but it has no warranty
[12:42] <KaiL_> 10C are to cold for me to ;)
[12:42] <Shaquile> Hehe
[12:42] <Shaquile> gftp isn't good.. it's ok.. 
[12:43] <Shaquile> KaiL_: We had like 18 here today =)
[12:43] <whiskey_2> Shaquile, well what more do you need it has ftp and fsp
[12:43] <KaiL_> grr
[12:43] <whiskey_2> kkathman, i think gftp is in synaptic if you want to take a look at it
[12:44] <Shaquile> whiskey_2: Nothing more.. but it's not good.. with que and all.. 
[12:44] <whiskey_2> kkathman, so you don't even have to compile it
[12:44] <Shaquile> This is a nice channel.. maybe I should begin to idle here some more =) 
[12:47] <KaiL_> kkathman: kbear?
[12:47] <eleckttruss> alguna persona de aquei habal espaol
[12:47] <KaiL_> eleckttruss: uhm -> #ubuntu-es
[12:47] <eleckttruss> kbear a mi me gusta mas el gftp es mas lijero y mas practico....
[12:47] <eleckttruss> como asi?
[12:48] <eleckttruss> osea que hago con el ubuntu-es?
[12:48] <smouche> he says gftp is lighter and more practical
[12:48] <KaiL_> but it's so...... gnomisch :P
[12:48] <eleckttruss> o my good yo no hablo ingles....:(
[12:48] <smouche> eleckttruss - no tiene ni una palabra de ingles? mejor -- use English here, if possible
[12:49] <eleckttruss> use English here, if possible? que es eso?
[12:49] <KaiL_> #ubuntu-es is s spanisch ubuntu chat, maybe it's good for him ;)
[12:49] <smouche> well, that's a start ;-)
[12:49] <eleckttruss> no entiendo nada
[12:50] <eleckttruss> ...
[12:50] <eleckttruss> ha ok
[12:50] <eleckttruss> ubuntu-es pero donde lo agrego?
[12:50] <eleckttruss> Gracias
[12:50] <smouche> eleckttruss, haga  /join #ubuntu-es
 GRACIAS
[12:51] <smouche> por nada, suerte
[12:51] <KaiL_> bang...
[12:51] <smouche> zoom
[12:51] <KaiL_> spanish is one of the languages, where I udnerstand <<50%
[12:52] <smouche> another poor sod sent to non-English irc limbo...
[12:52] <whiskey_2> i should say gftp-gtk....so no one gets confused
[12:52] <smouche> he'd be better off hanging in here, and just reading.
[12:52] <pv_> said and done, apparently
[12:52] <whiskey_2> because there are many ftp in synaptic
[12:52] <KaiL_> if he want's to lean english or test his language detecting skills, yes
[12:52] <KaiL_> learn..
[12:52] <whiskey_2> there is probably a kftp or something consistent with kde also
[12:53] <Shaquile> :P
[12:53] <KaiL_> whiskey_2: kbear, as I said :)
[12:53] <eleckttruss> ubuntu-es
[12:53] <smouche> frankly, I'd prefer to be reading irc channels in French or Spanish but they just don't seem to have much happening on them
[12:54] <KaiL_> /j #ubuntu-es
[12:54] <KaiL_> ...you mean :)
[12:54] <eleckttruss> ok ubuntu-es   cual es el rul para agregarlo please
[12:54] <smouche> agregar a que?
[12:55] <eleckttruss> el nombre del servidor
[12:55] <eleckttruss> asi como es irc.freenode.net
[12:55] <smouche> hmmm, /connect "nombre del servidor" , creo
[12:56] <smouche> pero, pienso que no necesita otra servidor... momentito...
[12:56] <eleckttruss> peero
[12:56] <eleckttruss> cuando avre el Konversation
[12:57] <eleckttruss> se conecta al chat de ingles automatico
[12:57] <eleckttruss> kiero ir al de ubuntu-es
[12:57] <smouche> eleckttruss, tiene personas en esa canale -- haga eso:  /join #ubuntu-es
[12:58] <eleckttruss> ok pero cuando tu no esrtes en donde hare clien me entiendes?
[12:58] <smouche> que sea paciente, no hay tanto actividad en ese momento...
[12:59] <eleckttruss> Gracias
[12:59] <smouche> eleckttruss, disculpe, pero realmente, no puede ayudarte en espanol, aun en ingles mi conocimientos de linux son debiles...
[12:59] <eleckttruss> si me vuelven a ver en este chat es por error
[12:59] <smouche> y tengo que irme, disculpe
[01:00] <eleckttruss> gracias de todas maneras
[01:00] <smouche> no hay problema
[01:00] <whiskey_2> yep kbear does look very nice....but i don't see how to change the option from ftp to fsp like in gftp for those crazy people that want to use secure ftp sites
[01:02] <KaiL_> whiskey_2: crazy? those without are the crazy
[01:10] <Tm_T> Shaquile: joo puhutaan vaan ;)
[01:11] <Tm_T> http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=19198
[01:11] <Tm_T> <3
[01:12] <whiskey_2> where did gnome get this strange screen saver....it has bugs crawling on a mobius strip
[01:12] <whiskey_2> very interesting
[01:13] <Tm_T> hmm
[01:13] <Tm_T> there is not separate gnome screensavers?
[01:13] <whiskey_2> i wonder what they are trying to say with graphics instead of words
[01:14] <whiskey_2> Tm_T, well i dont' know...it randomly changes
[01:14] <whiskey_2> Tm_T, so i don't even know what screen saver it is
[01:14] <Tm_T> =)
[01:14] <Tm_T> Xscreensaver it is
[01:15] <whiskey_2> well the bugs are crawling forever but going nowhere
[01:17] <GameCat> hi
[01:19] <Tm_T> hullo
[01:20] <GameCat> kinda quiet in here currently
[01:20] <GameCat> does this mean no-one has any problems? ):
[01:20] <GameCat> whhops typo smily :)
[01:21] <kkathman> howdy Tm_T  :)
[01:22] <KaiL_> GameCat: how to have problems?
[01:22] <KaiL_> there was no silly hardware releaded after hoary came out, so everything works
[01:22] <whiskey_2> GameCat, well there is still a problem with apache....it seems to be working today but it still logs a db type error...i guess it just doesn't understant the new db stuff for the database programs
[01:22] <Shaquile> Tm_T: :P
[01:22] <kkathman> Hey KaiL_ can you recommend a good ftp program to transfer stuff to a web server?
[01:22] <GameCat> whiskey_2: I don't know apache at all, so I can't help anyway
[01:23] <GameCat> kkathman: konqueror?
[01:23] <KaiL_> kkathman: didn't I ever wrote kbear? :)
[01:23] <whiskey_2> GameCat, well i don't need a  web server either....i just use it for testing the php programs
[01:23] <kkathman> konqeror?? you can setup remote login and all that?
[01:23] <Shaquile> Seriuosly... It must really suck to watch tv in USA.. commercial ALL the time.. 
[01:24] <GameCat> kkathman: ftp://user@site.com
[01:24] <GameCat> then bookmark it :)
[01:24] <whiskey_2> Shaquile, yep... i have not turned my tv on for more than 3 years....except to play an old nintendo game every once in a while
[01:24] <whiskey_2> Shaquile, all that is on TV is some kind of biased propoganda
[01:24] <Shaquile> whiskey_2: How many channels do you have?
[01:25] <Shaquile> I heard you guys have like a million :P
[01:25] <whiskey_2> Shaquile, well about 37 or so...but they are mostly all in Mexican so i can't understand anything
[01:25] <whiskey_2> Shaquile, i live in Texico
[01:25] <Shaquile> haha
[01:25] <Shaquile> Coolt
[01:25] <Shaquile> -t
[01:25] <Shaquile> How many are free? 
[01:26] <whiskey_2> Shaquile, they are all free...but nobody can understand Mexican except the Mexicans
[01:26] <whiskey_2> in Texico
[01:26] <Shaquile> whiskey_2: Oh ok.. 
[01:26] <Shaquile> Satelite or cable?
[01:26] <whiskey_2> Shaquile, no...i don't have any of that stuff that costs money...just the aerial antenna stuff
[01:27] <Tm_T> Shaquile: jag mste sej att min svenska r begrnsad
[01:27] <Shaquile> Tm_T: Du kan ju prata! Det r tufft :P
[01:27] <Tm_T> =)
[01:27] <whiskey_2> Shaquile, but anyway it is not worth watching because it is usually someone trying to spew their own propoganda on  someone else
[01:27] <Shaquile> whiskey_2: So you have 37 FREE channels via antenna? 
[01:28] <whiskey_2> Shaquile, yes...maybe more
[01:28] <Shaquile> That's awesome
[01:28] <whiskey_2> Shaquile, but they are not worth watching
[01:28] <Shaquile> Ok 
[01:30] <kkathman> well kbear is nice but doesnt connect with anything :)
[01:31] <Shaquile> whiskey_2: Legal age for drinking?
[01:31] <whiskey_2> i much prefer slashdot to tv....because there is always an argument and you never know what to think......less biased propoganda that way
[01:32] <kkathman> aha... hmm odd...but got it to work :)
[01:32] <whiskey_2> kkathman, what site did you connect kbear to?
[01:32] <whiskey_2> kkathman, everybody seems to be using cvs instead of ftp these days
[01:33] <whiskey_2> kkathman, i had to use cvs yesterday just to get the gnu font editor
[01:33] <Tm_T> ok, I go to sleep ->
[01:33] <kkathman> not a problem.. my bad I was in a brain fart
[01:33] <Shaquile> Tm_T: I should to
[01:34] <Shaquile> whiskey_2: well?
[01:34] <kkathman> ftp is still the preferred method when working with webservers tho for web sites unfortunately
[01:34] <whiskey_2> kkathman, well that is true...but nobody wants to put their files on an ftpd for some reason....they all seem to prefer cvs
[01:34] <whiskey_2> kkathman, i don't know why
[01:35] <whiskey_2> kkathman, but gnome and gnu and many others have some cvs trees instead of ftpds
[01:36] <whiskey_2> kkathman, it has always been a mystery to me....why they just don't gzip their build directories and put the file in an ftpd directory or fspd if they prefer that crazy security stuff
[01:37] <Shaquile> Good Night
[01:40] <mdke> anyone here? i wanted to share a couple of brief thoughts I had after I installed kubuntu-desktop recently
[01:41] <crimsun> there are always people here ;)
[01:41] <mdke> hi crimsun 
[01:41] <mdke> so after I installed kubuntu-desktop, I noticed that the kde applications all appear in the gnome menu, and don't have icons
[01:42] <GameCat> is this in an ubuntu install?
[01:42] <mdke> sure
[01:42] <GameCat> okay :)
[01:42] <mdke> i had ubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-desktop
[01:42] <GameCat> I just installed from the kububtu CD - never had a setup like that
[01:43] <mdke> hmm, my comments really were just in terms of ensuring complete compatibility between the two: i think it would be nice for users to happily be able to run both
[01:43] <crimsun> mdke: kde doesn't currently conform to the new gnome desktop method
[01:43] <GameCat> Oh, absolutely, no question.
[01:43] <mdke> the other thing was that they both use ~/Desktop, so an obsolete non-working trash icon appears on the Gnome desktop after each starting of kde
[01:44] <crimsun> mdke: it would be great to file bugs that have fixed .desktop files attached =)
[01:44] <GameCat> rename the trash dir to .Trash to hide it in both
[01:44] <mdke> crimsun, noted
[01:44] <mdke> crimsun, so it is simple a question of fixing the .desktop files?
[01:44] <mdke> *simply
[01:45] <crimsun> mdke: if the icons are missing, yep. Let me double-check
[01:45] <smouche> mdke, did adding kubuntu-desktop by any chance alter your log-out options in gnome? that happened to me
[01:45] <mdke> smouche, damn, i didn't notice
[01:45] <mdke> smouche, what changed?
[01:45] <smouche> couldn't shutdown or restart in gnome anymore, not from the graphical thing, anyway
[01:46] <smouche> the log-out in kde was normal though.
[01:46] <mdke> smouche, from gnome or from gdm?
[01:46] <smouche> kdm was handling it at that point
[01:46] <crimsun> mdke: yep, would just need to fix the .desktop. Confirmed by looking in /usr/share/applications/kde/
[01:46] <mdke> crimsun, hmm
[01:47] <crimsun> mdke: (see the Icon field)
[01:47] <mdke> crimsun, presumably in lieu of filing fixes, just filing the bugs would help?
[01:48] <crimsun> mdke: sure, but it's most helpful if you attach a unified diff - or at least explain that the Icon field in the .desktop files needs to be fixed
[01:48] <mdke> crimsun, yeah, i will see what I can do in terms of time
[01:49] <mdke> the other thing I wondered was about clean removing of ubuntu-desktop/kubuntu-desktop
[01:49] <mdke> when I decided to remove the latter, I found it rather difficult
[01:49] <mdke> is there any easier way than debfoster?
[01:50] <crimsun> do you use aptitude?
[01:50] <mdke> no
[01:50] <crimsun> it has some package tracking capabilities built in
[01:50] <mdke> ooh
[01:50] <mdke> i'll check it out
[01:51] <GameCat> I'm a long way from expert, but wouldn't "sudo apt-get remove kubuntu-desktop" do it?
[01:51] <mdke> GameCat, no that just removes the metapackage
[01:51] <GameCat> okay, thanks
[01:52] <teardrop> oh lame
[01:53] <teardrop> someone stole my damn nick
[01:53] <teardrop> lol
[01:53] <teardrop> nevermind
[01:53] <mdke> teardrop, if its registered you can get it back
[01:53] <teardrop> bah
[01:53] <teardrop> i haven't registered it
[01:53] <teardrop> it's just taking an hour to ping out i guess
[01:53] <mdke> well this one is a nice nick
[01:55] <teardrop> yeah
[01:55] <teardrop> i like this nick
[01:55] <teardrop> i will probably transition into it
[01:55] <GameCat> register it then :)
[01:55] <mdke> ++
[01:55] <teardrop> i've had my other one for like 7 or 8 years
[01:55] <GameCat> maybe reg that one too if you ever get it back 
[01:56] <mdke> try registering it now, it'll tell you if someone has stolen it
[01:56] <teardrop> nobody's stolen it
[01:57] <teardrop> closure just won't ping out
[01:57] <teardrop> i just pinged it so it should die soon enough
[01:58] <whiskey_2> Shaquile, i don't know the legal age for drinking...when i was young i think it was 18 but i hear it is 21 today....i don't know because i don't drink.
[01:59] <GameCat> it's 18 here in the UK
[01:59] <teardrop> whiskey_2, in the us it's 21
[02:00] <teardrop> it's 18 everywhere else as a general rule of thumb
[02:00] <whiskey_2> teardrop, well i don't know about the US...i am just stating what i think about this miserable Texico
[02:00] <mdke> jammcq_oz, :)
[02:00] <teardrop> though the age is rarely enforced anywhere else
[02:00] <jammcq_oz> Riddell: does kubuntu use KDM instead of GDM ?
[02:00] <teardrop> Texico?
[02:00] <teardrop> Mexico's drinking age is 18
[02:00] <whiskey_2> teardrop, yes it used to be Texas
[02:00] <amu> moin'
[02:00] <whiskey_2> teardrop, but the Mexicans took it over.
[02:01] <teardrop> ok
[02:01] <teardrop> i think that's backwards but alrigth
[02:01] <teardrop> texas was stolen from the mexicans
[02:01] <teardrop> remember the alamo?
[02:01] <whiskey_2> teardrop, well apparently they got it back
[02:01] <teardrop> >8-P
[02:01] <teardrop> i don't know about that
[02:01] <teardrop> we might've given it back to make the rio grande an easier border
[02:02] <teardrop> the mexicans haven't taken anything from america except jobs
[02:02] <whiskey_2> teardrop, yes...they sure did take all the jobs and all the medicare money and all the food stamp money and everything else
[02:03] <smouche> oh what bullshit.
[02:03] <teardrop> well they can't get medicare/welfare money
[02:03] <mdke> jammcq_oz, i know that you can choose when installing kubuntu-desktop
[02:03] <teardrop> you have to be a citizen to do that
[02:03] <whiskey_2> teardrop, nope it is the truth...i don't qualify for medicare or food stamps because they give it all to the Mexicans
[02:03] <teardrop> they can however work under the table
[02:03] <mdke> jammcq_oz, not sure which is default if you install from the cd under full installation
[02:03] <teardrop> no dude i promise you you have to have a social security number in order to get those
[02:04] <whiskey_2> teardrop, well...i don't know what numbers they use...but just go to the food stamp office and look around
[02:04] <teardrop> perhaps you should try being more of a slack ass and they will give you money
[02:04] <mdke> *cough* #ubuntu-offtopic
[02:04] <smouche> thank you, mdke.
[02:04] <teardrop> mdke, this directly concerns the language issues with ubuntu thank you
[02:05] <teardrop> whiskey_2, they can only obtain that if they have a) become citizens or b) stolen someone's social
[02:05] <mdke> teardrop, ehhh?
[02:06] <Riddell> jammcq_oz: yes it uses KDM of course
[02:06] <teardrop> whiskey_2, where as if you did apt-get install social-security# everything would be allowed by the kernel
[02:06] <amu> hehe and the americans stolen the land from the indians ;)
[02:07] <chavo> teardrop, you can get a ss# for like $50.
[02:07] <teardrop> however they are missing that package so they have to compile identities to obtain system resources to survive
[02:07] <jammcq_oz> Riddell: that's what I figured.  We'll need a method to enable Xdmcp for ltsp clients
[02:08] <teardrop> chavo, you can get htem fro free if you goto the library
[02:08] <whiskey_2> teardrop, well citizenship doesn't mean anything to the Mexicans...whether they are dual citizens or not makes no difference...they still can never speak English....and nobody can understand them
[02:09] <smouche> jesus christ whiskey_2, you are so fucking ignorant its tragic.
[02:09] <whiskey_2> teardrop, i just leave them alone...and they leave me alone
[02:09] <Riddell> jammcq_oz: hmm, acronyms, should I come and talk to you?
[02:10] <jammcq_oz> Riddell: sure, if you can. we're out in the lounge area
[02:10] <teardrop> whiskey_2, lol
[02:10] <Riddell> smouche: innapropriate language
[02:10] <mdke> ++
[02:11] <smouche> noted, Riddell.  Pity you don't mind the innappropriate spamming of off-topic racist diatribes and other crap (can I say crap) that has been flooding this channel lately.
[02:12] <smouche> anyway, just rename the thing #xenophobic-rants and make whiskey_2 happy...
[02:12] <smouche> sorry.
[02:12] <chavo> smouche, curse words are far more damaging than mere racism.
[02:12] <smouche> not your fault Riddell.
[02:12] <smouche> chavo, that's absurd.  but, ok, I withdraw the "fucking"
[02:13] <smouche> bye
[02:13] <chavo> smouche, yes absurd it is.
[02:22] <teardrop> jesus lord
[02:22] <teardrop> that nick won't die
[02:23] <mdke> register, then kill it? ;p
[02:29] <whiskey_2> teardrop, anyway who cares....they can have Texico for all i care....and that nut that wants to belittle racism is an idiot because maybe the Mexicans are proud of their race and their language and culture.
[02:29] <pvh> I'm having trouble updating kdelibs-data because it tries to overwite /usr/share/icons/default.kde' which is also in knetworkconf
[02:30] <pvh> How can I resolve this?
[02:30] <pvh> *overwrite
[02:30] <GameCat> pvh: read the channel topic - there's a shell script
[02:30] <pvh> GameCat: much obliged.
[02:30] <GameCat> pleasure :)
[02:31] <GameCat> I got caught out too
[02:35] <teardrop> http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/05/04/27/1836227.shtml?tid=189&tid=190&tid=106
[02:35] <teardrop> the battle is brewing
[02:36] <mdke> :)
[02:46] <brad> hey
[02:46] <brad> i just got Ubuntu!
[02:47] <mdke> brad, nice one
[02:47] <brad> i used to have FC3
[02:51] <GameCat> brad: I made the same transition, nicer, isn't it :)
[02:52] <gesslar> man, the default doesn't allow me to compile my mud client :(
[02:52] <mdke> gesslar, default what?
[02:52] <gesslar> kubuntu
[02:52] <gesslar> configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check
[02:53] <mdke> gesslar, to compile you need "build-essential", see if you have it
[02:53] <gesslar> oooh
[02:53] <gesslar> ok, sec
[02:53] <gesslar> oooh thankyouthankyouthankyou if this works
[02:53] <mdke> heh, hope so
[02:53] <gesslar> mdke: you'll be my best friend ever
[02:54] <mdke> ever?
[02:54] <mdke> cool
[02:54] <gesslar> bleh, can't find X includes
[02:55] <mdke> ?
[02:55] <gesslar> checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
[02:55] <mdke> gesslar, hmm possibly you need the X development libs, not 100% sure of the packagename, it'll be xlib-dev or something
[02:55] <GameCat> sudo apt-get install x-window-system-dev
[02:55] <gesslar> hmm
[02:55] <mdke> GameCat, nice one
[02:56] <gesslar> found it in kynaptic
[02:56] <GameCat> if you haven't got them, add automake and autoconf too
[02:56] <teardrop> gesslar, get synaptic
[02:56] <teardrop> kynaptic sucks ass
[02:56] <gesslar> really? the only part about it that i don't like is tha ti have to keep resizing the fetch commit window so i can see the buttons
[02:57] <mdke> gesslar, if you like it, use it :)
[02:57] <GameCat> I like a shell, personally :)
[02:57] <teardrop> gesslar, really it gives you no information on the pkgs and doesn't offer half the features of synaptic
[02:57] <gesslar> ok
[03:02] <gesslar> wow, thanks for your help guys
[03:04] <GameCat> welcome
[03:04] <gesslar> it's still being problematic but i'll try to keep at it
[03:04] <GameCat> what is it saying now?
[03:05] <gesslar> checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.1.0) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation!
[03:05] <gesslar> except, i have the libs and headers installed, now
[03:05] <gesslar> i think
[03:06] <GameCat> use the line "./configure --prefix=/usr --with-qt-includes=/usr/include/qt3/" - no quotes
[03:06] <gesslar> hmm, i guess maybe my path isn't set?
[03:07] <GameCat> did that work then?
[03:07] <gesslar> yes, but now i have to do it with the KDE ones
[03:07] <GameCat> sudo apt-get install kdebase-dev
[03:10] <gesslar> woo!
[03:10] <gesslar> finally
[03:10] <gesslar> now to see if it'll make
[03:10] <regeya_> we're all living in amerika, amerika, it's wunderbar
[03:10] <gesslar> how do i get the maintainers to add a program?
[03:11] <GameCat> gesslar: no idea - look on the website for info?
[03:12] <gesslar> i will, thanks :)
[03:23] <kanuha> anyone else experience alot of crashes in KDE?
[03:23] <gesslar> hmm
[03:23] <gesslar> very rarely
[03:23] <GameCat> it's fine here - can you be more specific?
[03:23] <regeya> no.
[03:23] <regeya> none in a month, in fact
[03:24] <kanuha> It mainly happens when I open the Home folder
[03:24] <regeya> hm!
[03:25] <teardrop> HELL YES YOU SEND CONSTANTINE HOME!
[03:25] <teardrop> this is #american-idol right?
[03:26] <kanuha> For some reason I am unable to upgrade kdelibs-data
[03:26] <regeya> I think it's #teensex actually
[03:26] <teardrop> oh 123 to chat!
[03:26] <kanuha> Yeah, I am happy that constantine is headed home
[03:26] <regeya> oh well 456 to argue!
[03:27] <teardrop> 789 for group love!
[03:27] <regeya> kanuha: maybe your childhood has something to do with it
[03:27] <kanuha> huh?
[03:28] <regeya> for some reason I am unable to see what is in your home folder could you drop your defenses?
[03:28] <kanuha> no
[03:29] <regeya> :<
[03:29] <regeya> RAISE SHIELDS!
[03:29] <kanuha> were you able to upgrade your kdelibs-data?
[03:30] <GameCat> kanuha: shell script linked in the channel topic will fix the kde-libs issue
[03:30] <kanuha> just download and run, then upgrade?
[03:31] <GameCat> download and run
[03:31] <GameCat> you've already had a failed upgrade yes?
[03:31] <kanuha> yes
[03:31] <GameCat> thats script puts it back the way it would have been if the upgrade worked
[03:32] <GameCat> well, it did here anyway :)
[03:32] <kanuha> GameCat: thanks I will give it a go
[03:33] <kanuha> GameCat: does kdelibs-data still show up as a upgrade in synaptic after running the script?
[03:33] <GameCat> no
[03:33] <GameCat> $ sudo apt-get upgrade
[03:33] <GameCat> Reading package lists... Done
[03:33] <GameCat> Building dependency tree... Done
[03:33] <GameCat> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[03:38] <kanuha> GameCat: thanks, that worked. Hopefully it will have an effect on KDE stability for me.
[03:38] <GameCat> fingers crossed
[03:39] <GameCat> (oh, that's english for "hopefully" rather than american for lying :)
[03:40] <kanuha> no worried, thats how I took it.
[03:42] <GameCat> I get caught out sometimes with the way the same phrases vary hugely in meaning 
[03:51] <GameCat> I'm off
[03:51] <GameCat> night all
[03:57] <ahuman> It seems I've lost the Konqueror side panel ... how to get it back ?
[04:11] <loren> wow
[04:15] <whiskey_2> this movie stuff is a major pain...
[04:15] <whiskey_2> so many problems
[04:16] <whiskey_2> i don't know if i will ever get even a small trailer working
[04:19] <whiskey_2> i don't  know why i am having so many problems with just a small clip...no wonder Hollywood takes so long to make a movie
[04:22] <whiskey_2> kkathman, are you there to test something
[04:23] <whiskey_2> kkathman, are you there today.
[04:27] <whiskey_2> flying freenode? sounds like some kind of airplane movie
[04:28] <whiskey_2> things are so simple on win98 with the commercial codecs....and so difficult on linux with the free codecs
[04:29] <whiskey_2> i am just wondering if this is ever going to work.
[04:50] <teardrop> whiskey_2, what are you having problems with?
[04:50] <whiskey_2> teardrop, trying to do some latest graphics technology with the free codecs
[04:50] <teardrop> dude linux is just not the place to do graphics lol
[04:50] <teardrop> brb
[04:50] <teardrop> reboooooooooot
[05:13] <NTolerance> anyone know how to get the nick list in Konversation to only show the nick and not the "real name"?
[05:13] <closure> nope
[05:14] <NTolerance> i didn't see it in the options
[05:18] <chavo> NTolerance, it's in the newer builds.
[05:20] <closure> anybody use the kde news ticker
[05:21] <closure> applet that is
[05:22] <NTolerance> hrm
[05:22] <NTolerance> what repository has this new build?
[05:22] <closure> ?
[05:22] <closure> oh
[05:23] <closure> probably none or the backport ones
[05:23] <closure> but i can't seem to get the back ports to work
[05:23] <NTolerance> nevermind
[05:23] <NTolerance> i found it
[05:24] <Chin2> I used the ticker for a while, it was pretty cool, got live info from my forum :)
[05:24] <chavo> Ok, I'm not sure when they added that in.
[05:24] <chavo> NTolerance, I build KDE myself, from cvs.
[05:24] <NTolerance> ah
[05:25] <NTolerance> i'm downloading 17-1 build now
[05:25] <NTolerance> 0.17-1 rather
[05:29] <Chin2> if I install wmaker from synaptic, will it give me the option to use it when I log in?
[05:30] <NTolerance> sweet, looks like the "real names" are gone by default in 0.17-1
[05:30] <NTolerance> thx
[05:35] <closure> Chin2, can you tell me how i get info from shit like CNN.com and such
[05:35] <closure> i don't really care about a ticker for computer stuff
[05:36] <Chin2> closure: http://www.cnn.com/services/rss/
[05:36] <Chin2> use links from that page
[05:37] <_j> what's the conf file in /etc/ that stores apt-get respos again?
[05:38] <Chin2> _j: /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:38] <Chin2> i think
[05:38] <slicknotslak> thx
[05:39] <slicknotslak> confound hw companies and their proprietary apis!  i hat you all!
[05:40] <chavo> slicknotslak, hat is a very strong word :P
[05:42] <slicknotslak> lol  :-)
[05:51] <slicknotslak> mmmm
[05:52] <closure> chin2 what do i look for on sites to find that kind of info
[05:52] <closure> there are other sites i'd like to use as well
[05:53] <kkathman> evening all :)
[05:53] <whiskey_2> kkathman, would you help me test something today
[05:53] <kkathman> I'll try
[05:53] <whiskey_2> kkathman, are you at your linux machine without any w32codecs
[05:53] <kkathman> wassup 
[05:53] <kkathman> yes
[05:54] <whiskey_2> kkathman, well i want to test some free codec usage.
[05:54] <kkathman> ok
[05:54] <whiskey_2> kkathman, do you have skype on your linux where i can upload what i am trying to do
[05:54] <closure> hi kkathman good to se you again
[05:54] <kkathman> actually I havent loaded skype up but you can send it via konversation
[05:55] <kkathman> hey there closure :)
[05:55] <whiskey_2> kkathman, do i have konversation
[05:55] <kkathman> you should if you have kde
[05:55] <kkathman> kubuntu
[05:55] <whiskey_2> kkathman, are you sure it works...i hate to waste a lot of time
[05:55] <whiskey_2> kkathman, i will go get it
[05:55] <kkathman> but if you like I'll install skype
[05:56] <kkathman> I think Ive already downloaded it
[05:56] <kkathman> just not installed it
[05:56] <whiskey_2> kkathman, yes...install skype...i know it works for uploading
[05:56] <kkathman> ok give me a few minutes
[05:59] <whiskey_2> kkathman, ok i got konversation but it seems to just be another irc stuff and that already doens't seem to work with this NAT shit
[06:00] <kkathman> whiskey_2: ok I got it installed...but I dont have a microphone...but the rest should work...one sec and let me setup
[06:00] <kkathman> whiskey_2: do you remember my login??
[06:01] <kkathman> was it kkathman or korkster?
[06:02] <whiskey_2> your user name was kkathman
[06:02] <kkathman> ok kewl
[06:02] <whiskey_2> kkathman, ok..don't worry about the mike...it works when you get one
[06:02] <closure> http://dot.kde.org/1114514258/
[06:02] <closure> wow this shit is changing the world
[06:02] <kkathman> whiskey_2: Im on now
[06:03] <kkathman> ah ok... just try sending whatever you want to me then
[06:06] <kkathman> whiskey_2: are you getting my messages ?
[06:07] <slicnotslak> what package should i install to get the latest 2.6 sources?
[06:07] <crimsun> slicnotslak: the latest supported? linux-source-2.6.10
[06:08] <slicnotslak> thx
[06:08] <closure> i think it will be time to switch over to BSD when this pc-bsd comes out
[06:08] <closure> well gets a little further along
[06:08] <closure> that will be super crunk
[06:10] <slicnotslak> closure: bsd is nice for some things, linux is more convienent b/c of the broader support however.  try it though, it is fun'
[06:10] <whiskey_2> kkathman, well i saw a yes
[06:10] <whiskey_2> kkathman, is that all you said so far
[06:11] <kkathman> yeah but you arent on line now
[06:11] <closure> netbsd is "the most portable *nix"
[06:11] <kkathman> the thing hung up
[06:11] <closure> so i am told
[06:11] <whiskey_2> kkathman, i am not.
[06:11] <slicnotslak> what is a held package?  
[06:11] <whiskey_2> kkathman, let me disconnect and call you again
[06:11] <kkathman> ok
[06:12] <whiskey_2> kkathman, did you get that message
[06:12] <slicnotslak> closure: go with freebsd, ports rocks (almost as much as portage :-) (but i'll keep quiet in a kubuntu room...:-p )
[06:12] <kkathman> nope
[06:13] <whiskey_2> kkathman, yes..it says not delivered yet...let me look you up in search to see if anything changed
[06:14] <kkathman> yeah whiskey_2 for some reason skype quit and now its not letting me log back in...wait a sec
[06:14] <slicnotslak> i apt-get linux-source* and it d/ the tar but doesn't untar it for me?  am i missing something here, or is this expected behaviour?
[06:14] <closure> slicnotslak, i ain't skerred to voice
[06:14] <kkathman> hmmm wont let me log in anymore
[06:15] <closure> slicnotslak, i look at the bigger picture here. with these desktop based systems popping up left and right microsoft is scared shitless i gauruntee you
[06:15] <closure> hell apple is probably trembling worse
[06:15] <closure> apple was just getting a good stride going
[06:15] <kkathman> whiskey_2: ok there it goes
[06:16] <kkathman> whiskey_2: tried to call you, but says you are not on line
[06:16] <whiskey_2> kkathman, i don't know...this is weird...was working the other day
[06:16] <kkathman> whiskey_2: try calling me again now
[06:18] <whiskey_2> kkathman, do you remember my user name
[06:18] <kkathman> yes... georgeh 111
[06:19] <kkathman> I think that was your linux...the windoz was 614
[06:20] <whiskey_2> kkathman, nope that one doesn't work...let me try to get  a new one
[06:20] <kkathman> ok
[06:20] <whiskey_2> kkathman, do you remember my email address
[06:21] <kkathman> whiskey_2: hmmm I dont think I ever got your email address :)
[06:21] <whiskey_2> kkathman, are you in Texas...i don't see you in the list
[06:22] <whiskey_2> kkathman, ok i remembered that finally
[06:22] <kkathman> yes I should be in Texas
[06:22] <whiskey_2> kkathman, and your user name is kkathman
[06:22] <whiskey_2> kkathman, i don't see it
[06:22] <kkathman> search for my name
[06:22] <kkathman> it will show up 
[06:22] <kkathman> for some reason the city and state arent there
[06:23] <whiskey_2> do you see the im now
[06:24] <kkathman> yes
[06:24] <kkathman> I answered
[06:24] <kkathman> and I responded that I wanted you on the list and added
[06:25] <whiskey_2> kkathman, it says i can only send files to people that have authorized me
[06:25] <closure> does anyone know where i can find the icon file for a website?
[06:25] <whiskey_2> kkathman, did you see did you get this test message
[06:26] <whiskey_2> kkathman, looks like it is not working again
[06:26] <kkathman> I just updated my profile
[06:26] <kkathman> I got your message and replied
[06:26] <whiskey_2> ok say something else
[06:26] <kkathman> hold on
[06:27] <whiskey_2> kkathman, ok...did you see did you get this second test message
[06:27] <whiskey_2> kkathman, it keeps saying not delivered
[06:27] <slicnotslak> i noticed preemptible kernel is not on by default, anyone know the reason for this?
[06:28] <kkathman> whiskey_2: weird...I have a good profile now, and see your ids
[06:28] <kkathman> but you dont show as on line
[06:28] <whiskey_2> kkathman, ok..it says pending authorization on your name...so let me try to call you and just accept even if audio doesn't work
[06:29] <kkathman> ok
[06:29] <whiskey_2> kkathman, well maybe i got knocked off
[06:29] <whiskey_2> kkathman, let me try again
[06:29] <kkathman> ok
[06:30] <whiskey_2> kkathman, do you see it trying to call you
[06:31] <kkathman> no
[06:33] <kkathman> whiskey_2: I tried searching for you, and you arent showing up anymore now :)
[06:39] <closure> hey guys is there a way to make KDE use mozilla as it's default web browser and not Konqueror?
[06:45] <kkathman> yes closure there is
[06:46] <closure> kkathman, where do i set that?
[06:47] <kkathman> Im trying to remember :)
[06:47] <kkathman> hold on it may be in my notes
[06:50] <kkathman> closure:  Control Center -> KED COmponents -> Browser
[06:51] <kkathman> gotta choose Component Chooser before Web Browser..sorry
[06:52] <kkathman> closure:  KDE Control Center -> KDE Components -> Component Chooser ->Web Browser
[06:54] <hyphenated> does kubuntu have a separate bug tracker?
[06:58] <closure> thanks
[06:58] <trans_err> i just install mplayer from nerim and it gives me this mplayer: relocation error: /usr/lib/libavcodec.so.0: undefined symbol: NeAACDecOpen
[06:58] <trans_err> any ideas?
[06:59] <closure> damnit
[07:00] <eleckttruss> #debian-es
[07:00] <closure> now i need to figure out how to make it so that it opens a new tab by default
[07:00] <closure> not a new session
[07:00] <eleckttruss> #ubuntu-es
[07:13] <whiskey_2> kkathman, are you there on skype
[07:16] <kkathman> whiskey_2: yes I am
[07:16] <kkathman> waiting for you to send
[07:16] <whiskey_2> kkathman, i had a sound problem again...let me restart it
[07:16] <kkathman> ok
[07:17] <whiskey_2> ok it is waiting for you
[07:17] <whiskey_2> kkathman, do you see the file waiting
[07:17] <kkathman> yep I accepted and waiting now
[07:18] <kkathman> it just says "connecting"
[07:18] <kkathman> I think you have a problem again
[07:19] <kkathman> cuz I dont see you online anymore
[07:19] <whiskey_2> ok let me see what is going on again...i was messing with the sound for testing stuff and i messed it up
[07:20] <kkathman> ok
[07:23] <kkathman> whiskey_2: starts out good, but then it died
[07:24] <kkathman> now says "connecting" again
[07:24] <whiskey_2> kkathman, ok..i got it backwards...let me try again
[07:24] <kkathman> ok
[07:25] <whiskey_2> ok it is waiting
[07:29] <obe1|2> in my xorg.conf generated by pkg config, it has the font path for a font-server unix:/7100, but xfs was not installed by default.. what is ubuntu's preferred method for truetype fonts? should i use xfs,xfstt,xfs-xtt or does xorg come with built-in freetype module?
[07:34] <verden01> Hi has anyone installed skype?
[07:34] <whiskey_2> verden01, yes we are using it now
[07:34] <verden01> where did you download it from?
[07:36] <verden01> whiskey_2,  we are using it now??  i'm using xchat
[07:36] <whiskey_2> verden01, kkathman and me
[07:36] <Fufachew> hello. I've downloaded the kubuntu-5.04-install-i386.iso.  how do i verify the MD5SUMS file using the MD5SUMS.gpg file? I tried: 'gpg -v --verify MD5SUMS.gpg MD5SUMS'.  Looks like I need to get the public key from somewhere: gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found
[07:36] <verden01> k  :)
[07:36] <PD> i have installed skype
[07:36] <whiskey_2> verden01, i am trying to test something but he doesn't have sound
[07:37] <verden01> where do i download it from?
[07:37] <PD> verden01, just download it from the skype we site , the .de files
[07:37] <verden01> k
[07:37] <PD> verden01, http://www.skype.com
[07:38] <verden01> thanx
[07:38] <PD> they have a .deb file 
[07:38] <PD> ok
[07:39] <slicnotslak> where in /etc are my net interfaces configured?
[07:40] <PD> slicnotslak, /etc/network/interfaces
[07:41] <slicnotslak> thx, that was a little to obviuos....  :-)
[07:41] <verden01> i used it in winxp today  but would like to use it in kubuntu
[07:41] <PD> :)
[07:42] <verden01> pd how did you install it?
[07:42] <slicnotslak> PD: i'm assuming /etc/init.d/networking restart will do all the interfaces, how can i just do one?  
[07:43] <PD> verden01, dpkg -i skyp***.deb
[07:43] <verden01> cool :)
[07:44] <PD> slicnotslak, if you wanna work with eth0 then you can do #ifup eth0 -> to start and ifdown eth0 -> to stop
[07:44] <randabis> http://img245.echo.cx/img245/6215/trucksex7gn.gif
[07:44] <PD> the IP's will be taken from the interfaces file
[07:47] <slicnotslak> PD: thx, i'm used to gentoo, but putting ubuntu on a new laptop, evertyhing is just a little different ofcourse.  ;-:-)
[07:47] <slicnotslak> (including this stupid keboard )
[07:48] <PD> slicslak, I'v installed Kubuntu on my laptop HP nx7010 its excellent
[07:48] <PD> ooops gone
[07:48] <slicslak> ya, it's been pretty slick so far
[07:49] <slicslak> switched virtual servers, i'm surprised kchat didn't survive it...
[07:49] <PD> slicslak, ya thats a point
[07:49] <slicslak> anyway, the only hangup was the wireliss driver
[07:49] <PD> kubuntu give kopete
[07:49] <PD> but i switched to xchat
[07:50] <PD> wireless direver was also working on mine
[07:50] <incubii> man i so wanted to go to ubuntu downunder but thats my all expenses paid company weekend
[07:50] <incubii> :|
[07:50] <slicslak> a bit of a hassle on the amd64, but got ndis-whatever to work
[07:50] <PD> only thing is that kwifi thing some times does not work properly
[07:50] <slicslak> oh?
[07:50] <PD> but iwconfig works fine
[07:50] <slicslak> i'll check it out, thx
[07:51] <slicslak> ouch, my music collection is 52gb, i was hoping to copy it all to the laptop, but now i'll have to pick and choose.....
[07:51] <PD> :)
[07:52] <PD> selcting from mp3's is a big head ache
[07:53] <Aircobra> morning
[07:53] <PD> morning to you to
[07:59] <slicnotslak> PD: do you use a frontend for iwconfig, or have you just gotten used to the cli?
[08:00] <PD> slicnotslak, cli
[08:00] <PD> the frontend too i see is kwifi, but it does not always work properly for me
[08:01] <PD> especially in the Ad-hoc mode
[08:01] <PD> in the AP mode it works fine - the kwifi tool
[08:01] <slicnotslak> ok
[08:02] <slicnotslak> ummm, what's the ad-hoc mode?  i'm new to the wireless world
[08:03] <PD> slicnotslak, well if u wanna connect to comps directly its the Ad-Hoc mode
[08:03] <PD> but if you are connected through the an access mode its called i think the managed mode
[08:04] <whiskey_2> kkathman, ok i will get back with you later...either your sound or mine messed up skype again...but we know how to fix it now
[08:04] <slicnotslak> PD: thanks
[08:06] <Chin2> has anyone installed window maker?
[08:06] <slicnotslak> Chin2: it's ok
[08:06] <incubii> when you use an AP its called "infrastructure mode"
[08:06] <Chin2> slicnotslak, I've used it, I'm just wondering how best to install it
[08:06] <slicnotslak> there's no package?
[08:07] <slicnotslak> well folks, time for sleep and let the massive file transfers work their magik...  :-)
[08:07] <Chin2> there is, but I want to make sure that's the right way :)
[08:26] <verden01> any ideas on installing skype on an AMD 64 ?
[08:32] <incubii> ahahahahahahaha
[08:33] <closure> ?
[08:33] <closure> incubii, whatchu laughin at fool
[08:35] <harsha_> hello 
[08:35] <harsha_> i am new to kubuntu 
[08:35] <harsha_> i have a problem with my display
[08:35] <harsha_> can someone help me
[08:38] <incubii> nothin i was bored
[08:38] <closure> harsha_, please state your problem after the tone
[08:39] <closure> wait for it you'll hear it
[08:39] <closure> j/k what's wrong with the display?
[08:42] <pajohn> you scared him off
[08:42] <pajohn> he went to #ubuntu
[08:42] <bc> the suspense was killing me with that one...
[08:42] <closure> lol
[08:43] <closure> sh
[08:44] <bc> can someone help me?  I have a problem.
[08:45] <bc> don't all speak at once.
[08:45] <pajohn> what's the problem?
[08:45] <closure> bc please state your problem after the tone
[08:45] <Fufachew> i have a problem too. i need to burn kubuntu to a cd. cd burner is on machine with no OS. (I'm not asking for help tho!)
[08:45] <pajohn> beep
[08:46] <pajohn> hmmm
[08:46] <bc> welll, I'll tell you but only if you promise you can solve it for me.
[08:46] <pajohn> well one of two possible solutions fufachew
[08:46] <bc> Fufachew, now that is a problem.
[08:46] <pajohn> number one is to install an OS onto your machine, then burn a cd
[08:46] <pajohn> ...if you have any distro cd sitting around
[08:46] <PD> Fufachew, :)
[08:47] <pajohn> number 2 is to get a free cd shipped to you
[08:47] <pajohn> b/c the ubuntu people are that awesome
[08:47] <harsha_> CLOSURE 
[08:47] <harsha_> I CANNOT SET MY RESOLUTION ABOVE 640X840
[08:47] <closure> harsha_, caps aren't needed
[08:47] <pajohn> haha
[08:47] <bc> I hope that got your attention, closure.
[08:47] <harsha_> ok
[08:47] <harsha_> fine
[08:48] <closure> harsha_, what kind of vid card & monitor are you using
[08:48] <pajohn> harsha, how about /etc/X11/xorg,conf?
[08:48] <edulix> hi !
[08:48] <edulix> I've already configured kubuntu's amarok (1.2.3) to use gstreamer engine, alsasink & dmix
[08:48] <harsha_> when i try to access the display via control center
[08:48] <edulix> but fade in/out doesn't seem to work
[08:48] <harsha_> the graphic desktop crashes
[08:48] <edulix> only with arts engine (which I'd  rather not use)
[08:48] <harsha_> i have a p4 with intel 845 motherboard
[08:49] <harsha_> so i guess on board graphic
[08:49] <harsha_> card
[08:49] <closure> Fufachew, take the cd burner out of the comp with no OS and put it in one that has an OS
[08:49] <closure> harsha_, what kind of monitor?
[08:49] <pajohn> fufachew, you can get a free ubuntu cd shipped to you from ubuntu.org or whatever it is
[08:50] <pajohn> if you want kubuntu, do apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[08:50] <pajohn> and you'll be set
[08:50] <closure> pajohn, takes like month and a half i just ordered my warty's i'm expecting them around the time of the breezy release
[08:50] <harsha_> LG 17 inch
[08:50] <closure> >8-P
[08:50] <closure> but you can't complain when it's free
[08:50] <pajohn> month and a half?
[08:50] <pajohn> wow
[08:50] <pajohn> here's another idea
[08:50] <closure> harsha_, is it LCD?
[08:50] <harsha_> 
[08:51] <pajohn> library/university computers have cd burners generally
[08:51] <pajohn> or at least my university they do
[08:51] <harsha_> no no
[08:51] <closure> pajohn, good idea
[08:51] <harsha_> normal desktop
[08:51] <closure> harsha_, hrm now that's very strange
[08:51] <pajohn> you could go (non-peak hours, of course) sit there and download it, and burn it
[08:51] <closure> harsha_, did you build your box or is it pre made?
[08:52] <harsha_> actaully i tried instaling Kubuntu it did not
[08:52] <bc> isn't there a way to clone the cd on a hard drive and boot from it?
[08:52] <harsha_> so i nstalled kubuntu preview version
[08:52] <pajohn> i think there is bc
[08:52] <harsha_> and it worked fine
[08:52] <closure> harsha_, kubuntu did not install?
[08:52] <pajohn> but i'm not smart enough to figure it out
[08:52] <closure> harsha_, for what reason?
[08:52] <pajohn> wait, it worked fine?
[08:52] <harsha_> i did built the box
[08:53] <closure> pajohn, it's pretty much the same thing
[08:53] <harsha_> kubuntu worked fine but
[08:53] <closure> pajohn, from what i can tell atleast
[08:53] <harsha_> graphic was the problem
[08:53] <harsha_> the resolution is blured and bad
[08:53] <pajohn> x wouldnt start?
[08:53] <pajohn> oh
[08:53] <closure> harsha_, so you installed the preview version and you got better resolution?
[08:53] <harsha_> yeah
[08:53] <harsha_> now my friend has the same problem i faces
[08:53] <harsha_> now my friend has the same problem i faced
[08:53] <closure> so you have the preview version running now?
[08:54] <harsha_> same confiugration system
[08:54] <harsha_> yeah
[08:54] <harsha_> x started fine
[08:54] <closure> harsha_, and you have good resolution?
[08:54] <harsha_> but crashes frequently
[08:54] <harsha_> yeah
[08:54] <pajohn> that could be why it's testing version...
[08:54] <closure> it crashes frequently?
[08:54] <harsha_> excellent resoultion
[08:54] <harsha_> yeah
[08:54] <closure> well hrm
[08:54] <harsha_> on my friends comp
[08:54] <closure> have you upgraded?
[08:55] <closure> from the preview to the stable?
[08:55] <pajohn> apt-get update
[08:55] <harsha_> mine is running g8 with the preview
[08:55] <closure> apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:55] <pajohn> then apt-get upgrade
[08:55] <pajohn> yeah
[08:55] <bc> I wonder what your refresh rate is harsha_ ...
[08:55] <closure> if it's crashing all the time it's not so great
[08:55] <harsha_> its 85hz
[08:55] <harsha_> and i cannot change it
[08:55] <bc> maybe too high?
[08:55] <pajohn> seems fast
[08:55] <harsha_> yeah
[08:55] <closure> pretty standard
[08:56] <pajohn> for lcd?
[08:56] <pajohn> isnt that pretty fast?
[08:56] <closure> he said he doesn't have lcd
[08:56] <bc> high
[08:56] <pajohn> oh nm then
[08:56] <bc> ah
[08:56] <harsha_> its 60 Hz
[08:56] <harsha_> not 80
[08:56] <harsha_> and 85hz on the non stable comp
[08:56] <harsha_> that has a problem
[08:56] <closure> harsha
[08:57] <closure> harsha_, do an apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:57] <harsha_> yeah
[08:57] <closure> on the unstable
[08:57] <closure> see if that fixes things
[08:57] <harsha_> i will try and get back 
[08:57] <harsha_> to you thanx for the help
[08:57] <pajohn> do apt-get update first ???
[08:57] <harsha_> ok
[08:57] <closure> yeah
[08:57] <closure> make sure your repositories are set right
[08:57] <harsha_> yeah
[08:57] <harsha_> i keep doing them regularly
[08:57] <closure> and that they are set to warty and not hoary
[08:57] <bc> and use sudo! (stating the obvious maybe)
[08:59] <incubii> breezy all the way baby!
[08:59] <closure> incubii, shut up
[08:59] <bc> madness
[08:59] <closure> incubii, though that was amusing
[08:59] <bc> but, somehow, admirable madness.
[08:59] <closure> incubii, he might take you seriously
[08:59] <closure> incubii, you're the one who's running breezy aren't you?
[08:59] <incubii> yeah that tends to happen when i say things like that
[09:00] <incubii> yes i am
[09:00] <incubii> on PPC and X86
[09:00] <closure> incubii, how many updates are you getting on avg?
[09:00] <closure> i heard one person say he was getting 60 or so an hour
[09:00] <incubii> between 30-60 an hour
[09:00] <bc> good god
[09:00] <closure> hahaha
[09:00] <closure> that's nuts
[09:01] <incubii> :d
[09:01] <closure> incubii, how many times has your shit crashed?
[09:01] <incubii> none yet
[09:01] <incubii> suprisingly
[09:02] <incubii> though everytime it doesnt its more likely ill get one big arse crash
[09:02] <closure> lol
[09:02] <incubii> wow 2 package update!
[09:02] <closure> like russian roullette
[09:02] <incubii> thats the littlest yet
[09:02] <bc> sort of the tectonic plate theory of unstable updating
[09:02] <incubii> heh
[09:02] <incubii> eventaully it has to crash
[09:03] <bc> hope both machines don't crash at the same time
[09:03] <bc> maybe you should stagger the updates
[09:03] <incubii> lol
[09:03] <incubii> that sounds like wussy talk to me
[09:03] <bc> figured it would.
[09:03] <closure> lol
[09:03] <incubii> i have to keep myself amused at work somehow
[09:03] <Fufachew> what would happen if i changed /etc/apt/sources.list on a mepis box to point at ubuntu and did apt-get dist-upgrade? would it be fun?
[09:03] <closure> "only pansies don't play with dynamite!"
[09:04] <bc> it would sure as shit be fun, yes.
[09:04] <closure> Fufachew, it would be like sex
[09:04] <bc> even more fun in reverse, maybe.
[09:04] <closure> Fufachew, with an elephant
[09:04] <closure> Fufachew, you being on the recieving end
[09:04] <Fufachew> i was hoping for a chicken
[09:04] <bc> talk about borking.
[09:04] <incubii> apt-get -y --force-yes dist-upgrade ;)
[09:05] <closure> maybe even a whale with it's 1400lb dork
[09:05] <Fufachew> lol
[09:05] <bc> i just noticed that lol is lol backwards.
[09:05] <Fufachew> but 101 doesn't work like that
[09:05] <bc> even works upside down
[09:06] <Fufachew> ah satan loves natasha
[09:06] <bc> ):(
[09:06] <bc> good one.
[09:07] <closure> ... you guys are strange
[09:07] <incubii> i tell you its fun watching the cronjob force updating
[09:07] <incubii> praying to the update gods it wont break
[09:07] <bc> cronjob?  that's cheating!
[09:08] <incubii> i like to perform a modified version of a rain dance
[09:08] <incubii> it includes a chicken
[09:08] <edulix> hey, anyone knows where can I get suse 9.3 win deco to then use it in kubuntu's kde ?
[09:08] <bc> let it walk on your keyboard while logged on as root.  See what happens
[09:08] <incubii> well the PPC has a crontab cause its 3 feet away
[09:09] <Fufachew> wait that was not right. Ah, Satan sees Natasha
[09:09] <incubii> i think i will just make a while loop in bash
[09:10] <closure> WTF DID FORD BUY ASTON MARTIN!?
[09:10] <bc> oh, I thought "Satan sovel Natasha" actually meant something... dammit
[09:12] <bc> heh heh closure, James Bond in a Ford, I like it...
[09:12] <incubii> ok now im really livin on the edge updating as fast as possible
[09:12] <incubii> good old "while `/bin/true`;"
[09:12] <closure> bc, he was in the jaguar wasn't he?
[09:13] <bc> nah, Aston Martins, man!
[09:13] <Fufachew> fork bomb yourself while yer at it
[09:13] <incubii> i plan too
[09:13] <incubii> :D
[09:13] <incubii> heh
[09:14] <harsha_> hey closure 
[09:14] <bc> given that a very large proportion of the testing of unstable versions is done by maniacal masochists, can we really trust the results?
[09:15] <harsha_> 
[09:15] <closure> harsha_, yep?
[09:15] <harsha_> hey closure
[09:16] <harsha_> i am on my way
[09:16] <harsha_> actually updating the repositores
[09:16] <harsha_> what exactly are warty and hoary
[09:17] <harsha_> plz dont laugh
[09:17] <harsha_> but i am new to this 
[09:17] <closure> no shame in asking
[09:17] <closure> hoary was the old release
[09:17] <closure> warty is the latest "stable" release
[09:18] <harsha_> of kubuntu
[09:18] <closure> of ubuntu
[09:18] <harsha_> ok
[09:18] <thoreauputic> closure: wrong
[09:18] <bc> um, that's backwards closure.
[09:18] <Fufachew> what's the unstable called? or is there one?
[09:18] <closure> yeah sorry
[09:18] <closure> i do that everytime
[09:18] <thoreauputic> hoary is latest stable
[09:18] <closure> it is backwards
[09:18] <harsha_> ok then i thinl i dont need warty
[09:18] <harsha_> now
[09:20] <closure> yes you don't need warty
[09:20] <closure> you want the hoary
[09:21] <closure> that's my fault i am lysdexic
[09:21] <harsha_> i am running the command apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:21] <harsha_> its taking some time i ll get back
[09:22] <bc> good reading here:
[09:22] <bc> oops ...
[09:23] <bc> http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuRoadmap
[09:23] <bc> I didn't realize ubuntu had a net install.  Wish I'd read that page sooner.
[09:25] <harsha_> its ok u must be in yesterday nights hangover
[09:26] <bc> that could be it, harsha_.
[09:27] <bc> incubii, crash yet?
[09:27] <incubii> nup :D
[09:27] <bc> keep trying.
[09:28] <harsha_> thanx thoreauputic
[09:28] <harsha_> and thax to all u guys fufachew and closure too
[09:29] <closure> harsha_, did it work?
[09:29] <incubii> oh im trying
[09:32] <Fufachew> incubii: what are you doing?
[09:33] <harsha_> yeah its goin on
[09:37] <harsha_> closure its 25 % done 
[09:37] <harsha_> it seems like it will take another hour or so
[09:38] <incubii> dist-upgrade is in cron for every hour
[09:38] <incubii> im running on BreezyBadger
[09:39] <martin> Is Breezy ready?  or is it the testing version?
[09:39] <incubii> dev test
[09:39] <harsha_> hey incubii now whats Breezy ready
[09:39] <martin> Ahh right.
[09:39] <closure> harsha_,  it's going to be pretty intense of an upgrade i would imagine
[09:39] <harsha_> yeah
[09:40] <closure> harsha_, look at the topic
[09:40] <closure> IF you encounter the kdelibs error
[09:40] <closure> that script will fix it
[09:40] <Riddell> breezy will break horribly during the GCC 4 transition
[09:40] <closure> i suggest you run it as soon as apt-get finishes IF you get the error
[09:42] <incubii> i look forward too it riddel
[09:42] <incubii> :d
[09:45] <Riddell> glad somebody does
[09:45] <incubii> lol
[09:45] <incubii> well i have an x86 and ppc runnin on breezy
[09:50] <martin> I'm quite liking Kubuntu - I was a bit put off trying Ubuntu as I am more of a KDE person than Gnome, glad Kubuntu came along...
[09:52] <incubii> ah another soul saved from the evil that is gnome
[09:52] <martin> :) Never liked it to be honest, keep trying the latest versions though but always come back to using KDE... 
[09:53] <incubii> yeah you gotta know what the competition is doing
[09:53] <incubii> then you go back to what is better
[09:53] <incubii> lol
[09:53] <meng> but having ubuntu and kubuntu is messy
[09:53] <incubii> how so
[09:53] <closure> meng, mine's not!
[09:53] <martin> I like the way KDE has more configuration and ways to make it look nicer...
[09:53] <Fufachew> i've switched back and forth over time. sometimes i use x and twm to remind me of the good old daze.
[09:53] <meng> my gnome apps looks horrible in KDE
[09:53] <meng> and vice versa
[09:54] <incubii> i use just plain x when launching games
[09:54] <incubii> no need for a gui
[09:54] <closure> meng what do you mean?
[09:54] <incubii> more fps
[09:54] <martin> meng> install gtk2-engines-qt-gtk package, makes GTK apps use the KDE style
[09:54] <meng> then it has the bad side effects of making kde apps have super huge fonts in gnome
[09:55] <incubii> lol
[09:55] <martin> ;) No idea then... 
[09:55] <meng> i am not even 4 eyed
[09:55] <incubii> cant have your cake and eat it too
[09:55] <incubii> unless you bought it
[09:55] <incubii> :))
[09:56] <incubii> 4 mins till update time
[09:56] <meng> martin: is there an opposite to making kde apps follow gtk styles?
[09:57] <incubii> any ETA on when GCC 4 wil be used riddel
[10:05] <Fufachew> hmm wouldn't it be cool if they both used the same damn common style thingy. someones probably done this or proposed it.
[10:08] <Fufachew> wonder if his machine crashed =)
[10:15] <closure> lol
[10:15] <closure> it would be on time
[10:23] <spiral> hi
[11:17] <PD> 
[11:28] <closure> streamtuner is cool
[11:31] <thoreauputic> closure: indeed - the record function using streamripper is also cool :)
[11:31] <infornography> Can streamtuner work with amaroK?
[11:31] <thoreauputic> probably - you just specify your player in preferences
[11:32] <closure> have not used that
[11:33] <closure> i listen to a lot of off beat talk radio so stream tuner makes it easy as piss to find the damn thing
[11:33] <closure> s
[11:33] <closure> well not a lot
[11:33] <closure> just one show really
[11:35] <thoreauputic> streamripper will download and tag tracks to a directory in your $HOME dir
[11:35] <thoreauputic> very nice
[11:36] <thoreauputic> it finds the divide points in the mp3 stream automagically
[11:38] <closure> really
[11:38] <closure> now that is quite cool
[11:38] <closure> too bad asot isn't broadcasted high quality anymore
[11:38] <thoreauputic> sudo apt-get install streamripper
[11:45] <closure> pretty sure i got it already
[11:46] <closure> guess not
[11:46] <thoreauputic> closure: if you have it you can use the "record" button in streamtuner
[11:46] <thoreauputic> it's a small download
[11:46] <closure> and it records and such @ the broadcast bitrate?
[11:46] <thoreauputic> yes
[11:47] <closure> that is cool
[11:47] <thoreauputic> and you can set the player to monitor on port 8000 to save bandwidth
[11:48] <thoreauputic> see man streamripper for the right flags
[11:51] <closure> thoreauputic, where do i put xmms skins?
[11:51] <closure> for them to show up in xmms?
[11:51] <thoreauputic> in ~/.xmms/Skins
[11:51] <closure> just extract the tar files there?
[11:51] <thoreauputic> hidden directory in your home dir
[11:51] <thoreauputic> you don't even need to extract them
[11:52] <closure> just move the file
[11:52] <closure> ?
[11:52] <thoreauputic> yes
[11:52] <closure> nice
[11:52] <thoreauputic> just put them in Skins in that dir
[11:52] <closure> mv <filename> <dir>
[11:52] <closure> ?
[11:52] <thoreauputic> yep
[11:53] <thoreauputic> or just do drag and drop in your file manager if you prefer
[11:54] <closure> thoreauputic, is there a good alternative to konqueror as a file manager?
[11:54] <thoreauputic> closure: you can also just do sudo apt-get install xmms-skins
[11:54] <thoreauputic> closure: many
[11:54] <thoreauputic> closure: I use rox
[11:55] <thoreauputic> there are lots of linux file managers
[11:55] <thoreauputic> konqueror is very good though
[11:55] <thoreauputic> nautilus not so good IMO
[11:57] <closure> what about preset EQ settings?
[11:57] <closure> is there a package for that?
[11:57] <thoreauputic> don't know
[11:58] <thoreauputic> do apt-cache search xmms to see all the available plugins etc
[12:05] <Tm_T> errh
[12:09] <closure> they should have a baghira skin for xmms
[12:09] <closure> >8-)
[12:09] <closure> match my damn desktop
[12:16] <teardrop> WEIRD
[12:17] <teardrop> somehow i am putting xchat sessions into the background
[12:17] <teardrop> and i don't know how to get them back
[12:17] <teardrop> any idea?
[12:18] <UnreA|L> Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.0) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation!
[12:18] <UnreA|L> For more details about this problem, look at the end of config.log.
[12:18] <UnreA|L> what i must download ?
[12:19] <teardrop> *shrugs*
[12:20] <teardrop> oh well i'm oging to sleep
[12:20] <teardrop> bbl
[12:24] <whiskey_2> kkathman, are you still awake
[12:25] <whiskey_2> UnreA|L, what are you trying to compile
[12:25] <whiskey_2> UnreA|L, that gives you that error
[12:25] <UnreA|L> kbear
[12:26] <UnreA|L> im trying ;/
[12:26] <thoreauputic> UnreA|L: you don't need to compile it, as I already told you in #ubuntu
[12:26] <whiskey_2> UnreA|L, ok speficify --with-qt-prefix=/usr/lib/qt3
[12:27] <whiskey_2> UnreA|L, sorry make that /usr/share/qt3
[12:27] <thoreauputic> waste of time - it's in the repos
[12:27] <whiskey_2> sometimes i really miss gentoo....i can't find libvisual in the repos anywhere
[12:28] <UnreA|L> okey ;)
[12:28] <whiskey_2> UnreA|L, in your ./confi....options
[12:29] <UnreA|L> where i can download winex or cedega and i can play games if i download drivers nvdia wiht apt ?
[12:29] <whiskey_2> UnreA|L, those are commercial...you have to pay for those
[12:29] <whiskey_2> UnreA|L, they are not free software
[12:30] <UnreA|L> hm... oldest versions is too cost ?
[12:30] <whiskey_2> UnreA|L, i don't know what they charge...but they are not free
[12:31] <whiskey_2> kkathman, are you awake
[12:32] <UnreA|L> how i can see a list software who is  in universe
[12:32] <UnreA|L> ?
[12:32] <whiskey_2> UnreA|L, the easiest way is with kynaptic
[12:33] <whiskey_2> UnreA|L, it gives you a scrollable list in alphabetic order
[12:33] <whiskey_2> UnreA|L, there is a great deal missing in the repos...but the basics are there...
[12:34] <whiskey_2> UnreA|L, but sometimes it is a real pain to go find all the missing stuff.
[12:35] <UnreA|L> thanks ;)
[12:35] <UnreA|L> its true command apt-get install irsii-snapshot ?
[12:35] <whiskey_2> UnreA|L, try apt-get update
[12:36] <whiskey_2> UnreA|L, then try apt-get kbear
[12:36] <whiskey_2> UnreA|L, unless you just want to compile it
[12:37] <whiskey_2> UnreA|L, but all kinds of important stuff are missing....like libvisual
[12:37] <whiskey_2> UnreA|L, compared to gentoo
[12:39] <whiskey_2> UnreA|L, and libdb4.3
[12:43] <UnreA|L> apt-get install is true when i edited source.list file
[12:45] <whiskey_2> UnreA|L, yes apt-get is easy to use...but it can really screw up your system for some stuff
[12:46] <whiskey_2> UnreA|L, some stuff wants to go back to old libraries and some stuff needs even newer libraries
[12:46] <whiskey_2> UnreA|L, that is one reason i miss gentoo
[12:46] <whiskey_2> UnreA|L, but the basics are here
[12:47] <UnreA|L> from where i can download transperent terminal
[12:47] <UnreA|L> ;/
[12:47] <whiskey_2> UnreA|L, those are X configurations and programs
[12:48] <UnreA|L> i now, transperent terminal is other program
[12:48] <whiskey_2> UnreA|L, they are not very interesting and they slow things down..and also lead to some freezes
[12:48] <UnreA|L> hm......
[12:48] <whiskey_2> UnreA|L, nobody cares about transparency or composites anymore
[12:49] <whiskey_2> UnreA|L, unless you are putting it in a game or using it in a graphics program
[12:49] <whiskey_2> UnreA|L, but nobody wants to run that mess all the time with their computer
[12:50] <whiskey_2> UnreA|L, it was just a fad on gentoo a long time ago
[12:50] <thoreauputic> UnreA|L: install aterm and do, for instance,  aterm -tr -sh 90 -bg black -fg white
[12:50] <UnreA|L> okey
[12:51] <thoreauputic> UnreA|L: that will give you a transparent terminal
[12:51] <UnreA|L> thi write in terminal aterm -tr -sh 90 -bg black -fg white
[12:51] <thoreauputic> konsole has options, as does gnome-terminal 
[12:51] <membreya> thoreauputic: get out of here :P
[12:51] <thoreauputic> UnreA|L: that only works for aterm
[12:52] <thoreauputic> membreya: what are you doing here? whay aren't you at UDU ? :P
[12:52] <membreya> cos I live in Melb? :P
[12:52] <thoreauputic> ah!
[12:53] <membreya> you know that :P
[12:56] <thoreauputic> my short term memory is going....
[01:02] <UnreA|L> ] /window new
[01:03] <UnreA|L> ;)
[01:07] <whiskey_2> kkathman, are you awake...i know you did not think my first attempt was perfect...but when you get ready we can try some improvements
[01:08] <Tm_T> =)
[01:51] <dablade> hello
[01:51] <DaBlade> I have a problem with Synaptic
[01:51] <DaBlade> I made a long list of apps to install. it downloaded them all, and now that it's installing them it seems to have stopped with something called boson
[01:52] <DaBlade> Setting up torcs-data-cars-extra (1.2.2-2) ...
[01:52] <DaBlade> Setting up torcs-data-tracks-oval (1.2.2-2) ...
[01:52] <DaBlade> Setting up vegastrike (0.4.2-2) ...
[01:52] <DaBlade> Setting up boson-data (0.9.1-1) ...
[01:52] <DaBlade> Setting up boson-base (0.9.1-3) ...
[01:52] <DaBlade> Setting up boson-music (0.9-1) ...
[01:52] <DaBlade> Setting up boson (0.9.1-3) ...
[01:52] <DaBlade> There's what I see. it doesn't go further than boson
[01:52] <DaBlade> can someone help me?
[01:56] <Tm_T> heh
[01:57] <Diablo-D3> hrm
[01:57] <Anlar> there's no mention of the selinux.
[01:57] <DaBlade> can someone plz help me?
[01:57] <Diablo-D3> DaBlade: you're not making sense
[01:58] <DaBlade> Here's my problem:
[01:58] <Diablo-D3> DaBlade: boson is probably the last package to be installed.
[01:58] <DaBlade> no wait
[01:58] <DaBlade> it just finished
[01:58] <DaBlade> ...
[01:58] <Diablo-D3> hah
[01:58] <DaBlade> Why did it take so long?
[01:58] <Diablo-D3> because sometimes it does
[01:59] <DaBlade> maybe I rushed into asking here lol
[01:59] <Diablo-D3> Anlar: on the roadmap you mean?
[01:59] <DaBlade> well thanks anyway
[02:00] <Diablo-D3> I think the roadmap should mention some sort of wifi tools
[02:00] <Diablo-D3> preferably kde ports of whatever ubuntu is using
[02:00] <DaBlade> adios people
[02:02] <Diablo-D3> actually, theres one big thing missing on that
[02:03] <Diablo-D3> switching the default theme to plastik as to look like human
[02:03] <Diablo-D3> (human, of course, being the closest thing gtk has to a plastik clone)
[02:10] <Tm_T> Anlar: why should be?
[02:10] <Anlar> mu.
[02:16] <membreya> Tm_T: o/
[02:20] <ManLord> HOW to start 2 instances of kaffeine?
[02:27] <buz> i dont think that works
[02:27] <Diablo-D3> you cant.
[02:28] <buz> anyone got firefox 1.0.3 debs?
[02:30] <ManLord> but can u configure that when u open a new media like from the web, that the new media just gets added to playlist instead of creating a new playlist
[02:30] <ManLord> ?
[02:30] <membreya> what's performance like for kubuntu on an athlon XP 1800
[02:32] <Tm_T> membreya o/
[02:32] <buz> membreya: very ok
[02:32] <buz> i got it on athlonxp2000
[02:32] <Diablo-D3> membreya: "insane".
[02:32] <buz> depends what you do with it of course
[02:33] <membreya> just asking for a friend.. I'm happy with my athlon64 3200...for now
[02:33] <Diablo-D3> hell, kde flys on my p3 550
[02:34] <membreya> Diablo-D3: anything else running? :P
[02:34] <membreya> p3.....hmmm does the museum know you stole that Diablo-D3 ?
[02:34] <buz> fly? one p3?
[02:34] <Diablo-D3> -_-
[02:35] <thoreauputic> membreya: oops - caught me there with my P200 MMX ;-)
[02:35] <buz> ok some claim it works on 128mb ra,
[02:35] <Diablo-D3> but yes. a p3 550.
[02:35] <membreya> my KDE is currently taking 465 of 512mb of ram
[02:35] <thoreauputic> "works" is a relative term
[02:35] <Diablo-D3> and it flies.
[02:35] <buz> Mem:   1036488k total,   975940k used,    60548k free,        0k buffers
[02:36] <buz> do i need to subtract the cached swap?
[02:36] <Diablo-D3> membreya: wtf is wrong with your setup
[02:36] <Diablo-D3> buz: yes
[02:36] <Diablo-D3> anything cached is really free memory
[02:36] <membreya> Diablo-D3: I can get it down to 250mb....but I have a few processes running including squid
[02:36] <buz> ok so i need 400mb
[02:36] <thoreauputic> Diablo-D3: nothing - better to use ram than swap
[02:37] <Diablo-D3> membreya: squid is not kde
[02:37] <Diablo-D3> but yeah, I only have 256 megs of memory, and my aging radeon 8500
[02:37] <Diablo-D3> and my p3 550 is still damn fast
[02:37] <buz> you must have a different definition of fast than i
[02:37] <membreya> how to figure out how much KDE itself is using?
[02:37] <buz> i dont think you really can
[02:37] <Diablo-D3> my entire machine boots in like 30 seconds
[02:38] <buz> wtf
[02:38] <Diablo-D3> how much more faster do you want?!
[02:38] <buz> you got scsi drives or what
[02:38] <membreya> Diablo-D3: my amd64 takes at least 50 - 60 seconds
[02:38] <thoreauputic> Diablo-D3: umm... that sounds *highly* dubious
[02:38] <buz> yeah mine too
[02:38] <Diablo-D3> wtf is wrong with your systems
[02:39] <buz> i thought 60s was pretty normal on ubuntu
[02:39] <membreya> 60s is actually pretty good
[02:39] <hunger> buz: I bet he has no scsi... device detection takes longer than 30s there;-)
[02:39] <membreya> some people complain it takes 2 - 3 mins
[02:39] <Diablo-D3> device detection? what device detection?
[02:39] <membreya> main slow down on my system, aside from squid on boot is the reiserfs checks
[02:40] <Diablo-D3> oh damn, now I know why your machines are so slow
[02:40] <buz> xfs checks take practically no time
[02:40] <buz> but hardware checks are slow i guess
[02:40] <buz> ah
[02:40] <buz> yeah i run an all modules kernel ;)
[02:40] <Diablo-D3> the only modules I have are ones my machine actually uses
[02:40] <membreya> default kernel for me
[02:40] <Diablo-D3> thats probably why its so ungodly fast for me
[02:40] <buz> Diablo-D3: you should use gentoo then muahaha
[02:40] <Diablo-D3> buz: no I shouldnt
[02:41] <Diablo-D3> only reason I'm running a custom kernel is because I test -mm
[02:41] <buz> i dont think a custom kernel should really amount to more than 10% speed
[02:41] <Diablo-D3> it shouldnt...
[02:41] <buz> and i don't trust -O3 anyway
[02:41] <Diablo-D3> but apparently ubuntu tries 250832509825935 modules during bootup
[02:41] <buz> yeah that's tru
[02:41] <buz> most everything is built as modules
[02:42] <buz> and todays machines got shitload of integrated hardware
[02:42] <Diablo-D3> hrm
[02:42] <Diablo-D3> does ubuntu have hotplug installed by default?
[02:42] <Diablo-D3> both of my machines are converted debian sid systems ;)
[02:42] <membreya> Diablo-D3: yes
[02:42] <buz> yes
[02:43] <Diablo-D3> well, its not that then
[02:43] <Diablo-D3> udev?
[02:43] <buz> yes
[02:43] <membreya> does kde have a top style program?
[02:43] <Diablo-D3> yeah...
[02:43] <Diablo-D3> xterm with top running in it.
[02:44] <buz> pff
[02:44] <buz> konsole with top
[02:44] <buz> ur using kde after all
[02:44] <hunger> ksysguard has some of top.
[02:45] <Diablo-D3> well, I _can_ use kde
[02:45] <thoreauputic> buz: konsole is a hog ( so is gnome-terminal for that matter)
[02:45] <Diablo-D3> like openbox
[02:45] <buz> so what
[02:45] <buz> ii hate those stripped down desktops
[02:45] <buz> fluxbox is pure hate for me
[02:45] <Diablo-D3> I hate desktops.
[02:45] <Diablo-D3> Seriously
[02:45] <buz> i like them
[02:45] <hunger> Diablo-D3: What are you doing in kubutu channel then? ;-)
[02:45] <buz> i like stuff behaving consistently
[02:45] <thoreauputic> buz: each to his own....
[02:45] <buz> sure
[02:45] <Diablo-D3> I love kde apps
[02:46] <buz> i generally love them too
[02:46] <Diablo-D3> I run primarely kde apps, but I hate desktop environments
[02:46] <hunger> buz: I was using evilwm for a while;-)
[02:46] <buz> except for konqueror as browser
[02:46] <buz> and koffice
[02:46] <Diablo-D3> as of lately, I've been using firefox as my browser
[02:47] <hunger> buz: In fact I am still using "evilKDE" (window decorations are turned of).
[02:47] <buz> lol
[02:47] <buz> i love eye candy
[02:47] <membreya> evilkde?
[02:47] <Diablo-D3> actually, I've been meaning to see if kubuntu's defaults look any good
[02:47] <buz> if ati got their act together and released composite drivers i could finally make good use of kompose
[02:47] <buz> i use plastik
[02:47] <hunger> membreya: You know evilwm?
[02:48] <membreya> nope
[02:48] <hunger> membreya: No borders around windows but a single pixel wide line.
[02:48] <Diablo-D3> I use plastik as well
[02:48] <buz> http://evilwm.sourceforge.net/images/cap1.jpg
[02:48] <buz> sick
[02:48] <Diablo-D3> I wish I could somehow eradicate lipstik from kubuntu though
[02:48] <buz> to each his own i guess
[02:49] <hunger> membreya: That is how my KDE is configured to look like: Window decorations are turned of.
[02:49] <membreya> ewwww
[02:49] <buz> i think titlebars are quite useful
[02:49] <membreya> so retro
[02:49] <buz> you could use twm right away
[02:49] <buz> lol
[02:49] <Diablo-D3> what we really need is kubuntu to look just like ubuntu
[02:49] <Diablo-D3> so both gtk and qt apps look exactly the same
[02:49] <buz> christ no
[02:49] <hunger> membreya: No screen space to waste... nothing to do with retro.
[02:49] <buz> if anything, install gtk-qt
[02:50] <hunger> buz: TWM sucks.
[02:50] <buz> sure
[02:50] <Diablo-D3> buz: except I dont need to
[02:50] <Diablo-D3> human almost looks like plastik
[02:50] <buz> only gtk apps i really use is firefox and thunderbird, both with crystal theme
[02:50] <membreya> http://members.optusnet.com.au/~membreya/snapshot2.png
[02:50] <membreya> that's muh desktop
[02:51] <Diablo-D3> I have firefox setup with the plastik-firefox theme
[02:51] <membreya> dont like FF or thunderbird
[02:51] <buz> maybe its plastik
[02:51] <buz> i dunno
[02:51] <membreya> konqueror and kmail for me ;)
[02:51] <buz> looks like crystal icons anyway
[02:51] <buz> konqueror doesnt support extensions :-(
[02:51] <hunger> membreya: Just like mine!
[02:52] <hunger> membreya: Of course I do not have Icons on the desktop, nor panels, window decorations or a background image.
[02:52] <hunger> membreya: And I hate this karamba stuff, too.
[02:52] <buz> background image i dont have
[02:52] <Diablo-D3> plastik-firefox looks like a kde app using plastik and crystal icons
[02:52] <Diablo-D3> karmaba sucks
[02:53] <buz> actually i'm using plastikfox crystal
[02:53] <buz> and mostly crystal for thunderbird
[02:53] <membreya> Diablo-D3: what would you recommend for a sysmon app?
[02:54] <Diablo-D3> I wouldnt.
[02:54] <Diablo-D3> its desktop clutter
[02:54] <Diablo-D3> buz: thats what its called
[02:54] <Diablo-D3> plastikfox
[02:54] <buz> yeah nice theme
[02:54] <buz> now if only firefox would make use of qt dialogs
[02:54] <hunger> membreya: For a panel-junky like you ksysguard should be fine:-)
[02:54] <buz> and mime type associations
[02:54] <membreya> hunger: YUK
[02:55] <membreya> http://www.gnome.org/~seth/blog/xshots  <--- that's what I WANT!!
[02:55] <buz> mhh
[02:55] <buz> better have a good nvidia card then
[02:55] <buz> the wobbly windows are mighty cool
[02:56] <membreya> buz: did you see what they ran it on ?
[02:56] <buz> weird
[02:56] <buz> on an ati card?
[02:56] <buz> ati doesn't even support fucking composite
[02:56] <membreya> ahuh
[02:56] <buz> yeah
[02:57] <buz> makes me get a nvidia card
[02:57] <buz> wtf was that
[02:57] <buz> that live updating desktop preview would be something, too
[02:57] <buz> where can i get that
[02:58] <Diablo-D3> hrm
[02:58] <Diablo-D3> konversation looks hot
[02:58] <buz> you think we'd use it if it wasnt
[02:58] <membreya> buz: the what now?
[02:58] <buz> Live Updating Workspace Switcher
[02:58] <buz> can see it in the lower right
[02:59] <buz> aaah
[03:00] <buz> luminocity does compositing in opengl
[03:00] <buz> not in an x extension
[03:00] <buz> so thats why it works on ati scum
[03:00] <Diablo-D3> what is luminocity?
[03:00] <buz> http://www.gnome.org/~seth/blog/xshots
[03:00] <buz> the ultimate in X eye candy
[03:02] <Diablo-D3> ppwtthththshtjhdgkjsg
[03:02] <Diablo-D3> holy crap
[03:02] <mikl> ah, the KDE-integration of OOo2 is really nice
[03:05] <buz> kde4 should better deliver something like that too
[03:05] <buz> i don't wanna use gnome
[03:05] <Diablo-D3> well
[03:05] <Diablo-D3> kde4 may be going in the wrong direction
[03:05] <Diablo-D3> infact, kde is going in the wrong direction altogether
[03:06] <buz> like how
[03:06] <Diablo-D3> well, it should ditch dcop for dbus
[03:06] <hunger> If OOo2 was just fast enough to be not completely unusable.
[03:06] <buz> it was fast enough on win
[03:06] <Diablo-D3> and it should chase after freedesktop crap more often
[03:06] <buz> on linux it always crashes
[03:07] <Diablo-D3> hunger: yeah, so does half the peopel in #kde-devel
[03:07] <hunger> Diablo-D3: I fail to see why you want them chasing after "crap";-)
[03:08] <buz> i want a real expose implementation for x
[03:08] <hunger> buz: You do not want X then;-)
[03:08] <Diablo-D3> hunger: because gnome is winning.
[03:08] <buz> gnome is winning?
[03:08] <Diablo-D3> the only wayto crush gnome is to replace it.
[03:08] <hunger> Diablo-D3: Is it?
[03:08] <buz> yeah
[03:08] <hunger> Diablo-D3: I do think differently.
[03:08] <buz> getting rid of X would be the best thing
[03:09] <Diablo-D3> well, its doing better than it should
[03:09] <buz> maybe xorg can do the turnaround
[03:09] <hunger> buz: There is no way to do that... and I have tried for a while.
[03:09] <Diablo-D3> it has way too much pull in the foss community
[03:09] <Diablo-D3> actually, I want to get rid of X and make something like it
[03:09] <buz> do what? expose?
[03:09] <Diablo-D3> but push more shit into the server
[03:09] <hunger> buz: Nope... The problem is X, not the implementation of X.
[03:09] <Diablo-D3> like, get rid of the window manager
[03:10] <buz> then how comes kompose comes close?
[03:10] <Diablo-D3> and make the windowing system do that job
[03:10] <buz> moving the windows is obviously possible if you look at luminocity
[03:10] <Diablo-D3> and get rid of the UI toolkit
[03:10] <hunger> Diablo-D3: I worked on Fresco for a couple of years. But I gave up on that since nobody seems to care.
[03:10] <Diablo-D3> and basically turn it into a communications system to the windowing system
[03:11] <Diablo-D3> so that the windowing system dictates the look of the app, not the app's ui toolkit
[03:11] <buz> much too late for that
[03:11] <hunger> Diablo-D3: You want something very similar to what we were working on with fresco.
[03:12] <buz> is there a roadmap for kde4???
[03:12] <Diablo-D3> hrm
[03:12] <membreya> mmm kde4 :D
[03:12] <Diablo-D3> hunger: so fresco does stuff like this?
[03:12] <da_bon_bon> buz: ask Riddell he might know
[03:12] <membreya> true alpha-blending of konsole :D
[03:12] <da_bon_bon> membreya: u using kde4 ?
[03:12] <hunger> Diablo-D3: It is basically dead nowadays.
[03:12] <membreya> lol da_bon_bon 
[03:12] <buz> what is it with those transparent windows???
[03:13] <buz> wtf needs that
[03:13] <Diablo-D3> I should look at fresco
[03:13] <Diablo-D3> even if fresco is dead, it can kickstart my project
[03:13] <hunger> Diablo-D3: But it used to be meant to be device inpedendent, consistent, OO, network transparent, 3D capable, etc.
[03:13] <Diablo-D3> hunger: and thats what I want
[03:14] <Diablo-D3> another thing I want is that the existance of a hardware accelerated opengl context is required
[03:14] <hunger> Diablo-D3: We could do really cool stuff... not much, since we keept struggling with the basics:-=
[03:14] <Diablo-D3> and I also want to move away from "resolutions" and just make that part of the rendering context
[03:14] <Riddell> buz: svn change, kde 3.5, kde libs to qt 4, rest of kde to qt 4, add some appeal, profit
[03:14] <Diablo-D3> so you start working in properly calibrated dpi instead
[03:14] <hunger> Diablo-D3: Fresco used to render to GL, pixels or Postscript.
[03:14] <buz> no new eyecandy???
[03:15] <membreya> Riddell: how long till KDE4 is usable?
[03:15] <hunger> Diablo-D3: Fresco did that... 
[03:15] <Diablo-D3> hunger: yeah
[03:15] <Diablo-D3> so I probably want to rip as much fresco code as possible
[03:15] <Diablo-D3> what language is it written in?
[03:15] <hunger> Diablo-D3: And you could request it to render to Postscript once for printouts;-=
[03:15] <hunger> Diablo-D3: Mostly C++
[03:15] <Diablo-D3> eww
[03:16] <hunger> Diablo-D3: Who doesen't?
[03:16] <Diablo-D3> hehe
[03:16] <Riddell> buz: that's the appeal
[03:16] <Riddell> membreya: over a year
[03:17] <membreya> Riddell: shit, thought it was going to be late this year :'(
[03:17] <hunger> Diablo-D3: Well, if you want to salvage code or discuss ideas, I tend to hang out here;-)
[03:17] <Diablo-D3> if fresco can kickstart my project, yay
[03:17] <buz> is there any timeframe as to when udev in breezy gets fixed???
[03:18] <hunger> Diablo-D3: I doubt that you will be able to salvage much code, but we used to have lots of ideas...
[03:18] <buz> printing by cat'ing ps to the printer is a pain
[03:18] <membreya> buz: as in digital cameras not mounting ? :P
[03:18] <buz> as in printers not working 
[03:18] <hunger> Diablo-D3: and we had the widgets in the server as well:-)
[03:18] <buz> digicam i rarely use
[03:18] <Diablo-D3> I still have to work on other stuff first
[03:19] <Diablo-D3> like, I need to get Europa working
[03:19] <membreya> buz: my MMC card reader mounts perfectly thank god
[03:19] <hunger> Diablo-D3: If you like smalltalk you should look at opencroquet as well;-)
[03:19] <Diablo-D3> Europa is a lua-like language for objc
[03:19] <buz> any way you look at it, it sucks
[03:20] <buz> why can't they just fix it
[03:20] <buz> i mean there must be other people pissed off about it 
[03:20] <membreya> buz: cos it's a dev release? :P
[03:20] <buz> or are they trying to drive home the point of not using breezy?
[03:20] <Diablo-D3> I want to steal as much as possible from kde too, btw
[03:20] <thoreauputic> buz: you expect a bleeding edge development distro not to break?
[03:21] <buz> na
[03:21] <Diablo-D3> like kio is a brilliant way of working
[03:21] <hunger> Diablo-D3: I doubt that will work out.
[03:21] <buz> but i expect showstopping breakage to be fixed in a reasonable amount of time
[03:21] <Diablo-D3> ideas I mean, not code
[03:21] <hunger> Diablo-D3: What you are proposing is very much different from QT/KDE.
[03:21] <Diablo-D3> hunger: kio is not apart of the desktop
[03:21] <Diablo-D3> its apart of the application development system
[03:21] <membreya> thoreauputic: bleeding edge, sometime you get cut ;)
[03:22] <hunger> Diablo-D3: Is that in scope of a windowing system?
[03:22] <Diablo-D3> hunger: not entirely
[03:22] <hunger> Diablo-D3: At least not at the start;-)
[03:22] <Diablo-D3> but I obviously need lots more
[03:22] <Diablo-D3> like europa isnt in the scope of the windowing system
[03:22] <Diablo-D3> but it forms the backbone of everything I want to do
[03:22] <hunger> Diablo-D3: How do you want to have client and server communicating?
[03:23] <Diablo-D3> I dunno yet
[03:23] <Diablo-D3> I had originally planned using europa for that
[03:23] <hunger> Diablo-D3: I thought that is a lua-like language?
[03:23] <Diablo-D3> it is
[03:24] <Diablo-D3> it will send lua scripts back and forth
[03:24] <Diablo-D3> s/lua/europa/
[03:24] <Diablo-D3> well, its a scripting language that is incredably light
[03:24] <Diablo-D3> it basically just calls functions
[03:24] <hunger> Diablo-D3: Fresco used CORBA, but that might not have been the best idea.
[03:25] <Diablo-D3> and thats all it does
[03:25] <Diablo-D3> and its blazingly fast
[03:25] <incubii> howdy again
[03:25] <Diablo-D3> except its not objc native, so I cant use objc stuff with it
[03:25] <hunger> Diablo-D3: But then I don't know any other OO-ish communication system that really works.
[03:25] <Diablo-D3> well, gnustep has an ooish communication system
[03:25] <Diablo-D3> and I'm using gnustep-base
[03:27] <Diablo-D3> see with gnustep, I can 'encode' objects
[03:27] <Diablo-D3> and decode them on any gnustep system
[03:27] <Diablo-D3> on any arch
[03:27] <Diablo-D3> on any endian
[03:27] <Diablo-D3> which plays right into my hands... whahahahahaha!
[03:28] <buz> so use java
[03:28] <buz> SCNR
[03:34] <Diablo-D3> except java sucks
[03:34] <Diablo-D3> and I refuse to use it
[03:35] <hunger> Diablo-D3: You got strong oppinions on non-objc languages!
[03:35] <Diablo-D3> well, I hate java'
[03:35] <Diablo-D3> I like C though
[03:35] <Diablo-D3> and perl
[03:35] <Diablo-D3> I hate python
[03:35] <Diablo-D3> I hate C++
[03:35] <Diablo-D3> I hate php
[03:35] <hunger> Diablo-D3: Tried ruby yet?
[03:36] <Diablo-D3> thats on my todo list
[03:36] <Diablo-D3> as is haskell
[03:36] <hunger> Diablo-D3: I like perl, but that is too messy for bigger things... ruby is a lot like a perl that scales:-)
[03:37] <Diablo-D3> yeah, I would never use perl for this
[03:38] <PD> hi ppl anybody from Brussels out here
[03:40] <Tm_T> nope
[03:40] <PD> well i had a doubt in general
[03:40] <Tm_T> =)
[03:40] <PD> what do you call thoses devices which is used to connect telephones in offices
[03:41] <PD> you know for local office inhouse calling
[03:41] <hunger> PD: cables? ;-=
[03:41] <Tm_T> =)
[03:41] <PD> hmm
[03:41] <PD> we call then out here PBX, what o they call it in europe side
[03:41] <hunger> PD: I guess you are looking for PBX (private branch exchange)
[03:41] <PD> hunger, yes
[03:42] <PD> IS it that in Europe region also they call that
[03:42] <hunger> PD: We call it Telephonanlage, but that is german. They do not speak that language in brussels.
[03:43] <PD> hunger, :)
[03:43] <PD> Well thee was a requirement for a PBX in my companies office in Brussels, well i called 3 vendors now and they dont understand what a PBX is
[03:44] <PD> They were asking me if I need a Telephone switch
[03:44] <hunger> PD: I'd use PBX if I had to name such a thing in english... 
[03:45] <PD> PBX sounds international
[03:45] <hunger> PD: My dictionary tells me that "Telefonanlage" is telephone system in english.
[03:45] <buz> telefonanlage is a pbx
[03:45] <PD> hmm
[03:45] <hunger> PD: Or "key telephone system" for such a thing in the office.
[03:46] <PD> well here in India also we call them PBX
[03:46] <hunger> PD: I'd still use PBX though... "telephone system" just does not feel right.
[03:46] <PD> Guys in Brussels even haven't heard about PBX
[03:46] <PD> Guess will try for some more vendors
[03:47] <hunger> PD: The guys in brussels will probably speak french most of the time...
[03:47] <PD> whats it called in French
[03:47] <PD> Any french guys here
[03:48] <hunger> PD: french speakers are notorious for their english (if they admit to speaking it at all).
[03:48] <Tm_T> :)
[03:48] <PD> hehehe :)
[03:53] <dv8> how can i get framebuffer support on a fresh Kubuntu 5.04 install?? I need it in order to run Splashy.
[03:55] <Anlar> that's easy, just patch and build your own kernel and initrd and it's honka-dory.
[03:55] <Anlar> read the splashy/usplash howtos.
[03:57] <dv8> Anlar: can it be done on the default kernel? I have slow machine it would take a day for building a new kernel 
[03:57] <Anlar> I doubt.
[04:00] <dv8> Anlar: Ok, thanks 
[04:00] <Anlar> that's my thought, no idea.
[04:00] <dv8> Anlar: ok i'll ask on #splashy thank :)
[04:11] <carsten_> Moin. I will install Kubuntu next week on one of my notebooks :-)
[04:12] <we2by> hi
[04:12] <we2by> can I get the kubuntu cd shipped for free too?
[04:12] <da_bon_bon> Riddell: are u here ?
[04:15] <Anlar> we2by: not at this moment it seems
[04:15] <Anlar> (which is a shame)
[04:15] <we2by> yea
[04:15] <we2by> does any one here like to ship one for me for free?
[04:16] <Riddell> da_bon_bon: yep
[04:16] <Anlar> most ilkely not. you could though look at the ubuntu cd ordering page, it has some email address.. and query about it.
[04:16] <we2by> what's the kde version kubuntu 5.04 come with?
[04:16] <Anlar> the more people query about it the more probable getting kubuntu cds shipped is.
[04:16] <Anlar> 3.4
[04:17] <da_bon_bon> Riddell: hey, in restart button of kde, theres a small black triangle, which pops up and lets me select the next os - i think it uses grub to detect the os's -- but if i select say, slackware, it doesnt work. still grub selects windows during next reboot, which, incidentally, i have set to be defualt
[04:17] <we2by> what makes ubuntu special for a home user?
[04:17] <we2by> I don't see much differnet betweens distro's sometimes
[04:18] <we2by> I saw some screenshots.. it's almost the same as FC from a homeuser eyes
[04:18] <da_bon_bon> Anlar: then, register my query :)
[04:18] <Anlar> :)
[04:19] <Anlar> we2by: you can't compare FC and Kubuntu.. FC is gnome shit. KDE is way more complete and polished environment
[04:20] <we2by> you can use kde with Fc too
[04:20] <we2by> the fox linux is a distro based on FC3 with kde
[04:20] <sikor_sxe> i switched from suse to ubuntu
[04:20] <we2by> as a home ser, for him Fox linux is pretty much the same as kubuntu
[04:21] <sikor_sxe> kubuntu
[04:21] <sikor_sxe> the default kde settings in kubuntu are very sane
[04:21] <da_bon_bon> Riddell: is that feature known to u ?
[04:21] <we2by> the only different he will see is the kmenu, which is a bit modified in ubuntu
[04:21] <we2by> sikor_sxe, what settings
[04:21] <we2by> ?
[04:22] <sikor_sxe> the colors, the default theme
[04:22] <sikor_sxe> the boiled down menu
[04:22] <sikor_sxe> the konqueror settings
[04:23] <we2by> like to post some screenshots of those modification I noramlly don't have with other distro
[04:23] <we2by> some one told me today that kubuntu mess up everything on his box
[04:23] <sikor_sxe> hmm
[04:23] <we2by> got screenshots?
[04:23] <sikor_sxe> there are shots at the kubuntu webpage
[04:24] <we2by> that doesn't show much though
[04:24] <sikor_sxe> yeah but that's pretty much it :)
[04:24] <we2by> I barely see much differences in those
[04:24] <Riddell> da_bon_bon: nope, never seen it
[04:24] <we2by> lol
[04:24] <we2by> then it's almost the same as other distro then
[04:24] <Riddell> da_bon_bon: which restart button?
[04:24] <sikor_sxe> almos
[04:24] <sikor_sxe> t
[04:24] <sikor_sxe> it differs from the kde standard defaults
[04:24] <we2by> it's a shame that a distro clain to be for homeuser and is still like other distro's
[04:24] <we2by> :(
[04:24] <da_bon_bon> Riddell: hmm.. the one we press in --> K-menu -> logout -> restart
[04:25] <we2by> claim*
[04:25] <sikor_sxe> we2by: well it's very well suited for the home user in my opinion
[04:25] <sikor_sxe> i used suse for almost 5 years
[04:25] <sikor_sxe> kde looks like a candy shop in suse
[04:25] <we2by> sikor_sxe, why do you tink so?
[04:25] <we2by> think*
[04:26] <sikor_sxe> because everything seems to just work
[04:26] <Riddell> da_bon_bon: nope, don't see it
[04:26] <sikor_sxe> i plug a memory stick or a usb harddisc on and a small icon appears on the desktop, allowing me to mount the device
[04:26] <sikor_sxe> usually the destop is left blank
[04:26] <da_bon_bon> Riddell: well, in arch linux its there. sorry to ask for other distros, but i thought that since u r a kde developer u miht know
[04:28] <carsten_> is 5.0.4 the final version while 5.0.3 have been test-releases?
[04:28] <Riddell> da_bon_bon: interesting, I'll look into it
[04:29] <Anlar> waiting very eagerly the breezy whizbang (or whatever) :P~ me wants out of the box working selinux.
[04:29] <da_bon_bon> Riddell: thanks. i will talk to yo here. u want a screenshot ?
[04:30] <we2by> sikor_sxe, in my opinion
[04:30] <Riddell> da_bon_bon: sure, screenshots are good
[04:30] <we2by> with all respect to the developers, I think kde still need some small applets over here and there to make it more userfriendly
[04:30] <da_bon_bon> Riddell: but i have no idea how to take a screen during the shutdown process ? 
[04:30] <da_bon_bon> in the logout box ?
[04:30] <Riddell> da_bon_bon: can't see anything in ksmserver, maybe it's an arch specific feature
[04:31] <Riddell> da_bon_bon: ksnapshot with a few seconds delay
[04:31] <da_bon_bon> Riddell: ok, lemme try
[04:31] <we2by> some app like wmp is needed in linux too I think
[04:31] <we2by> if there is an media player that combine amarok and mplayer, it would be cool
[04:32] <Riddell> we2by: kaffeine?
[04:32] <we2by> nah. kafeine does not have lyric feature
[04:32] <we2by> that's an very important feature, u know
[04:32] <Riddell> what is the lyric feature?
[04:32] <gunny> hey gang, what do I need to install to compile kde themes, so many qt lib things to choose from in synaptic 
[04:32] <we2by> don't u know about it?
[04:33] <we2by> amarok get the lyric form the net for you auomatically when playig a ong
[04:33] <we2by> song*
[04:34] <gdh> So you can use your computer as a karaoke machine? I'd pay to keep that kind of feature out, tbh :)
[04:34] <Tm_T> if it's available in that website
[04:37] <da_bon_bon> Riddell: done. how do i send to you ?
[04:39] <gunny> hey gang, what do I need to install to compile kde themes, so many qt lib things to choose from in synaptic 
[04:40] <Riddell> da_bon_bon: put it on a web server and post the URL
[04:40] <Riddell> gunny: kdelibs4-dev
[04:43] <esher> are there other soft like "kontakt" outhere for kde ?
[04:43] <da_bon_bon> Riddell: i am lagging. i really cant read what u will reply.if u r interested in the screenshot, please email me on rohandhruva@gmail.com and i will send the screenshot to u... thanks.
[04:43] <bc> I run about 2/3 of my apps in kde with borders off; it'd be nice to have that one-pixel border thing happening, though...
[04:43] <bc> damn
[04:43] <bc> sorry
[04:44] <gunny> Thanks Riddell
[04:44] <bc> I was way up in the buffer!
[04:46] <gdh> hah :) yes I have the prob ... 'hm this channel's been quiet for *ages*' ...
[04:49] <slicnotslak> what's your fav sys monitor?  gkrellm?  something else?
[04:49] <Anlar> the system monitors itself, who knows.
[04:51] <da_bon_bon> hey, the topic says kdelibs bug -- what bug is it ?
[05:04] <kkathman> howdy all :)
[05:05] <Tm_T> hi
[05:06] <Tm_T> kkathman: wanna test my amaroK shouter?
[05:08] <kkathman> Tm_T:  whats an amarok shouter?
[05:11] <Tm_T> kkathman: eh, it broadcast amaroK =)
[05:11] <Tm_T> ofcourse
[05:11] <Tm_T> like SHOUTcast
[05:12] <kkathman> ahh ok
[05:12] <kkathman> well I dont really have sound on my computer...its annoying
[05:12] <Tm_T> heh
[05:12] <kkathman> somthing is weird
[05:13] <kkathman> when I move windows around, or move sliders up and down, the sound emits a kind of low hum 
[05:13] <Anlar> yup, cheap motherboard components.
[05:13] <kkathman> I havent really delved into it, but someone told me that it was because I had a VIA sound thing and the Linux sound driver for VIA isnt good
[05:14] <kkathman> my Windoz box doesnt do that at all...very similar board too
[05:14] <Tm_T> heh
[05:14] <Anlar> "similar" means nothing.
[05:14] <kkathman> I guess Im inclined to believe the driver thing
[05:15] <Tm_T> I have el cheapo nforce2 motherboard :)
[05:15] <kkathman> Anlar... its an ASUS board, so its not like a "cheap" board
[05:15] <Anlar> so it's a cheap board. next.
[05:18] <Tm_T> haha
[05:28] <stianh> Hello, I cannot login to webmin, tried setting a rootpassword with "sudo passwd", but still cannot login as root in webmin
[05:52] <thoreauputic> stianh: did you log out and in again to make the changes take effect?
[05:54] <stianh> how do I log out of something done with sudo? but I did leave the terminal where I did so
[05:55] <stianh> I tried restarting webmin as well
[05:56] <yahalom> am i safe installing kernel 2.6.11?
[06:21] <Fraeon> Anyone awake here?
[06:22] <bhna> yes
[06:22] <Fraeon> I'm having a bit of a problem here
[06:23] <Fraeon> So, I'm trying to download firefox, but it seems to have a lot of dependencies that aren't installable
[06:23] <Fraeon> So, which end is the problem in?
[06:24] <bhna> i haven't probs with firefox
[06:24] <Fraeon> Well, the problem isn't firefox, it's that I'm not getting it in the first place
[06:24] <Fraeon> And I'm sure as heck I enabled the universe repos
[06:25] <bhna> i have mozilla-firefox after apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[06:25] <bhna> no probs no errors
[06:26] <bhna> what do you mean with getting it in the first place?
[06:26] <Fraeon> "Package mozilla-firefox is not available, but is referred to by another package"
[06:28] <bhna> do you use apt-get?
[06:28] <bhna> or dpkg -i *.deb?
[06:28] <Fraeon> I'm using apt-get
[06:28] <bhna> sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox?
[06:29] <pajohn> make sure all your repos are up
[06:29] <bhna> are all repos in source.list enabled?
[06:30] <fadli> ubuntu apt-get do not have mplayer
[06:30] <bhna> fadli: mplayer is in the universe repo
[06:31] <bhna> fadli: or multiverse i'm not shure
[06:32] <bhna> fadli: edit the file sources.list as root
[06:32] <fadli> hmm
[06:32] <bhna> fadli: in /etc/apt
[06:32] <fadli> just comment out the universe right
[06:33] <bhna> fadli: yes
[06:33] <fadli> sorry, just installed ubuntu, not really familiar with debian base distrobution
[06:34] <bhna> fadli: no problem ;-)
[06:34] <fadli> which ine aa
[06:35] <fadli> hoary universe or hoary-security universe
[06:35] <Diablo-D3> multiverse?
[06:35] <KaiL> both
[06:35] <fadli> repeat:which line?
[06:35] <fadli> both
[06:36] <bhna> fadli: both
[06:36] <gdh> Diablo-D3: non-free software
[06:36] <KaiL> Diablo-D3:"non-free"
[06:37] <Diablo-D3> ahh, so its like the non-free repo in debian?
[06:37] <gdh> yis
[07:08] <gsuveg> re
[07:16] <Chin2> anyone know how to add JOGL to a classpath?
[07:24] <KaiL> hi here :)
[07:38] <Tm_T> hi KaiL 
[07:39] <KaiL> uhm, I'm here since 15:52 ;)
[07:40] <Tm_T> and it's now...
[07:40] <Tm_T> 2040 says mine ;p
[07:40] <KaiL> ah, 1 hour later in .fi
[07:41] <Tm_T> :)
[07:42] <Fraeon> Anyone here tried to install gimpshop? 
[07:42] <Tm_T> hmm, kkathman ?
[07:42] <Tm_T> yes, kkathman did it
[07:42] <KaiL> bah, gtk :)
[07:43] <Tm_T> gimp <3
[07:43] <KaiL> ?
[07:43] <Tm_T> <3 as a heart
[07:44] <mikl> what is with the helvetica-font? I can't seem to find it in the font menus, but some of my apps still render it
[08:09] <UnreA|L> how i can view games list with apt ?
[08:11] <TD|Gaute> Search for "game" in description in Kynaptic !?
[08:11] <rrichie> hi all
[08:11] <rrichie> has anyone managed to configure vpnc ?
[08:21] <Tm_T> plah
[08:23] <phunky> vim  timetable.cpp
[08:25] <phunky> ... that wasn't my konsole... whoops...
[08:25] <aseigo_> phunky: heh =)
[08:26] <phunky> at least it wasn't my password... which has also happened :/
[08:27] <aseigo_> haha
[08:27] <phunky> heh.
[08:27] <phunky> it was actually on a different network... but it could happen
[08:28] <phunky> luckily I suck at typing my pw ;) I usually get it wrong first time :P
[08:41] <malte> does anyone know if zeroconf will be included in next version of (k)ubuntu?
[08:44] <Diablo-D3> I hope
[08:46] <aseigo_> malte: isnt' it there with kde 3.4?
[08:47] <malte> aseigo_: now, i'm not sure. i just read about it and tried to use the zeroconf:/ io-slave, but it doesn't exist at all
[08:48] <malte> i also tried kbattleship, which is supposed to have support for it, but it couldn't find another game on the network
[08:52] <we2by> what cursor theme does kubuntu use in kde?
[08:54] <kikov> what's the kdelibs bug on topic?
[08:56] <hussam> did ubuntu release an update to the kernel or is the latest 2.6.10-5, the one that shiped with Kubuntu?
[08:57] <bhna> we2by: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=6550
[08:59] <hussam> anybody knows?
[09:02] <jeld> just installed kubuntu the first time, what is the kdelibs bug mentioned in the topic?
[09:14] <Anlar> a tiny conflict of one file being owned by two packages or soemthing like that.
[09:16] <thomas> Hi all - I just installed the kubuntu-desktop. Its the first time ive liked KDE for years, been a gnome person, but I think KDE has improved a hell of a lot. Nice work Kubuntu!
[09:17] <phunky> how do I use Ksysguard? when I sart it it comes up with a dialogue box that wants me to connect to a host. when I click ok in that it says "connection to localhost has been lost". I need to kill some processes.
[09:17] <esher> how can i deactivate the BIG "help" bubbles over the k-menu ?
[09:18] <bhna> esher: right klick on the kicker
[09:19] <esher> dont find a option 
[09:20] <thomas> I have 2 sound cards, what is the best way to select which one i want as default. i changed to /dev/dsp1 in the sound system settings but some KDE apps ignore it and still play from my first sound card
[09:20] <Far^Side> esher, enable icon mouseover effects in apperance in configure - KDE panel
[09:21] <esher> aaa, tnx .D
[09:22] <bhna> esher: configure kde-panel -> apperance -> mouseover effects
[09:29] <Debonair> hey everyone
[09:29] <bhna> hi
[09:29] <Tm_T> http://elliottback.com/wp/archives/2004/10/24/spread-ie-buttons/
[09:29] <Tm_T> xD
[09:29] <Tm_T> what a joke
[09:33] <rrichie> please : where can i find a package of w32codecs please ?
[09:35] <Anlar> read the wiki
[09:36] <rrichie> wiki.ubuntu.org ?
[09:36] <thomas> rrichie: http://ubuntuguide.org or the ubuntu wiki (look for restricted formats) will tell you how to get them working
[09:37] <rrichie> ok thx
[09:37] <bhna> rrichie: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat unstable main
[09:38] <rrichie> bhna : it gives me The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907 when apt-get update
[09:41] <bhna> rrichie: this not a problem
[09:42] <randabis> oh noes ur locked out without zee kee
[09:48] <whiskers> kkathman, are you awake
[09:59] <kkathman> im here now whiskers :)
[10:00] <kkathman> hehe bit actually I was napping before, had to be up at 3am to take my son to school for a band trip he's going on.
[10:03] <whiskers> kkathman, oh..ok...well i have tried to make some improvements that you suggested so in a while i will try to upload it to you based on free codecs only and see what you thing
[10:03] <whiskers> think
[10:04] <kkathman> okie doke
[10:04] <whiskers> at least the free ones are legal in the US....so we can all enjoy them without fear of violating the law
[10:04] <Tm_T> hm
[10:04] <whiskers> and maybe they are not as good as the commercial ones...but see what you think on this.
[10:05] <whiskers> give me a couple of hours to make a trailer....and then if you think it is ok...i will make the whole thing for people to enjoy
[10:05] <whiskers> with their free formats on totem
[10:06] <kkathman> okie dokie
[10:06] <Chin2> where can I read about the improvements in KOffice 1.4?
[10:11] <Diablo-D3> hey guys
[10:11] <Diablo-D3> do the ip6-* entries appear in the default ubuntu install?
[10:12] <kikov> hi.. don't you find KDE in kubuntu a bit unstable?
[10:13] <kikov> KDE or Xorg
[10:13] <kikov> now KDE is exploding all time here
[10:13] <Chin2> how does it explode specifically?
[10:13] <aseigo_> all of X or individual apps?
[10:13] <kikov> individual apps
[10:13] <Diablo-D3> hey aseigo_ 
[10:13] <kikov> all individual kde apps
[10:13] <kkathman> kikov: no I dont actually
[10:13] <kikov> except konsole
[10:13] <Chin2> I haven't noticed that, kikov
[10:14] <kikov> umm.. so maybe my box is a bit "fucked"
[10:14] <kkathman> kikov: I have had no problems whatsoever
[10:14] <kikov> thx.... then, it's just my box 
[10:14] <kkathman> kikov: Did you install via the kubuntu disk?
[10:14] <kikov> no
[10:14] <kikov> it's an upgrade from debian sid
[10:14] <Diablo-D3> hah
[10:14] <kkathman> hmm...
[10:14] <kikov> I think I haven't finished it
[10:14] <kikov> hi Diablo-D3 
[10:15] <Diablo-D3> I just did that a few days ago
[10:15] <kikov> you here?
[10:15] <Diablo-D3> it seems to be working fine for me
[10:15] <kkathman> kikov: you should install hoary core, then simply apt-get the kubuntu-desktop from the ubuntu repos
[10:15] <kikov> well.. I'm distro-agnostic ( if it's debia based }:) )
[10:15] <kikov> s/debia/debian
[10:15] <kikov> kkathman, umm, it doesn't allow me to do that
[10:15] <kikov> not remember why
[10:15] <kkathman> kikov: then you pay the price a bit with that philosophy
[10:16] <kkathman> ubuntu isnt a 100% debian intercompatible offshoot
[10:16] <kkathman> for the most part it is...but not always
[10:16] <kikov> kkathman, well.. as far I know to deal with broken packages ( or situations ) I didn't mind
[10:17] <kikov> but this is a bit uncomfortable
[10:17] <kikov>   kubuntu-desktop: Depends: python-gdbm but it is not going to be installed
[10:17] <kikov>                    Depends: python-newt but it is not going to be installed
[10:17] <kikov> o yeah, I remember...
[10:17] <kkathman> kikov: many people install either way and dont have probs, but if they install the 5.04 core then apt-get the KDE stuff it is rock solid
[10:18] <kikov> kkathman, I started on a woody in this box
[10:18] <kkathman> kikov: you might check your /etc/apt/sources.list and make sure that the deb for your CDROM was commented out
[10:18] <kikov> I have never reinstalled
[10:18] <Diablo-D3> kikov: just force it
[10:18] <Diablo-D3> apt-get install python-gdbm python-newt
[10:19] <kikov> no way
[10:19] <kkathman> Diablo-D3: that wont work if he doesnt disable the CDROM deb
[10:19] <kikov>   python-gdbm: Depends: python2.4-gdbm (>= 2.4.1) but it is not going to be installed
[10:19] <kikov> and a lot more
[10:19] <kikov> kkathman, I didn't have CDROM deb
[10:19] <Diablo-D3> kikov: then keep doing it
[10:19] <Diablo-D3> apt-get install python-gdbm python-newt python2.4-gdbm
[10:19] <kikov> Diablo-D3, till infinite and beyond!!
[10:19] <kkathman> kikov: but the sources.list has it I bet
[10:19] <Diablo-D3> at one point I had a list of like 30 packages
[10:19] <Diablo-D3> kkathman: dude, debian doesnt add one by default
[10:19] <Diablo-D3> especially if you use floppies
[10:20] <kkathman> ewwwww floppies :)
[10:20] <Diablo-D3> then again, I installed potato on my workstation
[10:20] <Diablo-D3> before we even had the CDs
[10:20] <kkathman> then Im a bit confused then....if he installed debian, why is he here?
[10:20] <kikov> kkathman, I didn't toasted the CD
[10:20] <kikov> kkathman, take a look
[10:21] <Diablo-D3> because ie apt-got kubuntu
[10:21] <kikov> kkathman, so many years ago
[10:21] <kkathman> ohhh ugh...just get the CD image..make it easy on yourself
[10:21] <kikov> potato, then woody, then sarge, then sid, then sarge, then sid... then ubuntu
[10:21] <Diablo-D3> oh stfu kkathman 
[10:21] <Diablo-D3> its quite easy to upgrade to ubuntu
[10:22] <Diablo-D3> you just apt-get install apt-get dpkg libc6 lsb-base
[10:22] <Diablo-D3> then apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[10:23] <kikov> kikov@local:~$ sudo apt-get remove python -> let's go
[10:23] <kikov> !!!
[10:23] <kikov> hehehehe
[10:23] <Diablo-D3> hrm, hey guys, what does ubuntu use for ppp software by default?
[10:23] <kikov> Diablo-D3, it's now done by /etc/network/interfaces
[10:23] <kikov> Diablo-D3, you set a ppp connection there
[10:23] <kkathman> not nice Diablo-D3 :(
[10:23] <Diablo-D3> kikov: that sounds scary
[10:23] <kikov> I have an example here
[10:24] <kikov> kkathman, the last line I have pasted you is a local repository for my own packages
[10:24] <kikov> any idea then?
[10:24] <Diablo-D3> kikov: I told you how to fix it
[10:25] <kikov> That doesn't work Diablo
[10:25] <Diablo-D3> keep adding more packages to the apt-get line until it runs out of shit to complain about
[10:25] <Diablo-D3> whats the problem then?
[10:25] <kikov> I don't know
[10:25] <kikov> I'm purgin python
[10:25] <kikov> and KDe with him
[10:25] <kikov> hehehe
[10:25] <Diablo-D3> you havent pasted anything
[10:26] <kikov> Diablo-D3, here...
[10:26] <kikov> don't wanna flood this channel
[10:40] <Chin2> can someone tell me how to know if I have Java installed properly?
[10:40] <kikov> set | grep JAVA
[10:41] <kikov> check JAVA_HOME is right
[10:41] <kikov> then execute java from $JAVA_HOME/bin
[10:41] <Chin2> how do I check if JAVA_HOME is right?
[10:42] <kikov> set | grep JAVA
[10:42] <Shopeonarope> can someone help me enable my network card again?
[10:42] <kikov> take a look
[10:42] <kikov> extract the value of JAVA_HOME
[10:43] <gsuveg> Shopeonarope: ask ;)
[10:43] <kikov> and check if j2sdk or j2re is there
[10:43] <Chin2> kikov, it tells me this: _=JAVA_HOME
[10:43] <kikov> well.. then it's not setup for your user:)
[10:43] <Chin2> strange, it lets me run Java apps but I guess it must be messed up
[10:43] <Shopeonarope> it was working fine, then linux did it's standard 30 boots HDD check and cleaned some clusters and now my network card is no longer functinoing
[10:44] <Shopeonarope> it is recognized but i try to enable it and it won't
[10:46] <Jagosix>  Hello
[10:46] <Tm_T> fuck you
[10:47] <malte> :(
[10:47] <Jagosix> huh ?
[10:47] <Tm_T> no colors thank you
[10:48] <malte> i think colors are cool
[10:48] <Jagosix> what colors
[10:48] <Jagosix> my irc is set by default values
[10:48] <Jagosix> not my doing
[10:48] <gsuveg> ignore your friend
[10:49] <Tm_T> eh, I see blue blinking hello text
[10:49] <malte> blinking!?
[10:49] <Tm_T> yes
[10:49] <malte> oh well
[10:49] <Chin2> kikov, when I look up sun-j2re1.5 in synaptic it says it's installed!?
[10:50] <Tm_T> maybe I have to shut color support down
[10:50] <kikov> ok, then the package is installed
[10:50] <kikov> you should consider adding the JAVA_HOME and PATH vars into your .bashrc
[10:51] <Chin2> uhh...kikov, I don't have a /usr/java dir...is that ok?
[10:51] <kikov> you can see where is sun j2re installed by making a dpkg -L sun-j2re1.5
[10:52] <Chin2> /usr/lib/j2re1.5-sun
[10:52] <Chin2> there are a lot of lines with this at the beginning: 
[10:52] <Chin2> is that ok?
[10:54] <Tm_T> plah
[10:56] <optish> so what are some good dock (mac os x like) apps available for kubuntu?
[10:56] <Chin2> superkaramba has one or two I think
[10:57] <Chin2> I installed it but it was kind of annoying :)
[10:57] <optish> k...will have to look into superkaramba
[10:57] <optish> nothing in any repos as far as standalone dock apps?
[10:58] <Chin2> no idea.
[11:02] <bhna> optish: kooldock
[11:03] <Chin2> okay, I added the proper java_home path to my bash.bashrc file.
[11:04] <Chin2> when I run "which java" though, it still points to the wrong place.
[11:04] <kkathman> Tm_T: Howzit goin today ?
[11:04] <Chin2> can someone tell me how to fix this?
[11:04] <Chin2> I think it's probably pretty simple
[11:05] <Tm_T> kkathman: eh, ok I quess
[11:05] <bhna> optish: apokryphos has an kooldock deb
[11:06] <Tm_T> kkathman: and you?
[11:06] <bhna> optish: look at the wiki
[11:08] <bhna> optish: http://www.youmortals.com/ubuntu/packages/kooldock/
[11:14] <foodcoman> Hola!
[11:21] <Chin2> dang, kooldock flickers a lot here.
[11:21] <optish> thanks guys....downloading it now
[11:24] <optish> is it possible to use that URL someway with apt-get's sources.lst?
[11:30] <bhna> maybe insert deb http://www.youmortals.com/ubuntu/packages/kooldock/ in your soures.list
[11:39] <jnoon> where are fonts/encodings configured ?
[11:40] <Tm_T> eh
[11:41] <jnoon> ive had a problem with some wierd square characters on some pages, no one seems to know why... i think emule might have the closest answer... its telling me: no font for displaying text in encoding 'Western European ISO-8859-1'
[11:41] <jnoon> anyone know how to go about resolving all this
[11:44] <Burgundavia> hello, what is the default media player in kde?
[11:44] <Tm_T> default?
[11:44] <kay> hm, noatun maybe
[11:45] <Tm_T> kaffeine?
[11:45] <Tm_T> amarok?
[11:45] <kay> But you will like Kaffeine better maybe
[11:45] <ianrogers> I've got a quick question about a LiveCD
[11:45] <Tm_T> xmms perhaps?
[11:45] <Burgundavia> ok
[11:45] <Tm_T> or juk?
[11:45] <ianrogers> Will I be able to mount my harddrive?
[11:45] <ianrogers> I'm on an iBook.
[11:45] <Burgundavia> does kde ship anything by default, ala totem on gnome?
[11:45] <Tm_T> I think yes
[11:46] <ianrogers> I know Knoppix on a PC does it the moment it boots, but I've tried Ubuntu on my iBook and it doesn't.
[11:46] <ianrogers> So would there be any difference at all in Kubuntu?
[11:48] <kay> what kind of difference do you mean?
[11:49] <kay> Burgundavia: I think Kubuntu has a default of Kaffeine
[11:49] <kay> Burgundavia: That is not necessary the same as KDE has
[11:49] <Anlar> not all codecs will naturally work on ppc since they are binary only and for x86 - but you knew that already.
[11:51] <Burgundavia> kay, thanks