[12:14] <Simira> come on guys! Time to get up and moving!
[12:14] <tseng> gosh
[12:14] <tseng> im up
[12:15] <Simira> you seem somewhat lonely to me, tseng ;)
[12:15] <tseng> everyone else is still in at breakfast
[12:15] <tseng> slow eaters.
[12:16] <Simira> hm. Tollef is not a slow eater. Just a large-eater :p
[12:16] <tseng> tollef is a sleepy head
[12:17] <Simira> he's sick, poor boy!
[12:17] <tseng> :(
[12:17] <Simira> physically, I mean.
[12:17] <dilinger> d'oh
[12:17] <Simira> it's your airconditioning, I think
[12:17] <dilinger> apparently making suggestions at a BOF that you're not actually attending, but just happened to spring up around you, gets you listed as a Key Person
[12:17] <tseng> dilinger: rock on.
[12:18] <Simira> yay
[12:20] <tseng> dilinger: i think jane and the gang are being really cool about scheduling, all things considered
[12:21] <Simira> jane and the gang, actually :)
[12:22] <tseng> hm?
[12:23] <tseng> any idea what UBB is?
[12:23] <Simira> Ubuntu Breezy Bounties?
[12:23] <Simira> No idea
[12:23] <tseng> oh, good call
[12:23] <dilinger> tseng: yea, i haven't had any complaints really
[12:24] <dilinger> other than two things being scheduled at the same time that i was interested in, but i didn't mark myself interested in the wiki, so that's my own fault
[12:24] <tseng> dilinger: http://pearls.tuxedo-es.org/patches/security/linking-protections-2.6.11-rc3.patch is the trulux patch
[12:24] <tseng> dilinger: he stuck it in namei.c
[12:24] <tseng> dilinger: and it has no sysctl
[12:25] <tseng> or actually, even a build option
[12:25] <dilinger> yea, i noticed the lack of sysctl
[12:25] <tseng> we cant make it always on.
[12:26] <dilinger> tseng: he said they're disabled via arguments passed to the module and sysfs
[12:26] <tseng> um.
[12:26] <dilinger> (again, i just skimmed through, so i didn't verify)
[12:26] <tseng> there must be more to the patch then
[12:27] <tseng> there is no bit for Kconfig or anything to even make it a module
[12:27] <tseng> id rather make it work just like spenders copy
[12:27] <Unfrgiven> good morning tseng!
[12:27] <tseng> hey dude
[12:28] <Unfrgiven> how are we this morning?
[12:28] <tseng> fine thanks
[12:28] <tseng> we have a "getting involved in universe" bof today
[12:28] <tseng> so we can pick up from yesterday
[12:29] <Unfrgiven> yeah ill b there for sure
[12:29] <Unfrgiven> i was up past 3 trying to get dpatch to work... no luck :(
[12:29] <Unfrgiven> i even read ur blog
[12:30] <tseng> ill show you later, its easy
[12:32] <Unfrgiven> tseng: my problem is that pbuilder doesnt seem to apply the patch
[12:32] <Unfrgiven> anyways no matter... ill see you there
[12:32] <Unfrgiven> im gonna go get ready
[12:32] <Unfrgiven> cya
[12:32] <tseng> yes, we'll look later
[12:35] <tseng> Simira: tollef is here and looking chipper!
[12:35] <Simira> tseng: without me? Hm... what's he been up to, I wonder...
[12:36] <Simira> tseng: give him a kick to get online, then :)
[12:37] <Simira> tseng: he'd probably good  use for a long night's sleep, then. :-)
[12:57] <dholbach> morning
[12:58] <Simira> morning Sydney
[01:05] <jsgotangco> good morning
[01:05] <tseng> hi.
[01:59] <jammcq_oz> Riddell: hey, does kubuntu use kdm instead of gdm?
[01:59] <Burgundavia> jammcq_oz, you can choose either is you do an install on an Ubuntu box
[01:59] <mdke> jammcq_oz, #kubuntu
[02:00] <jammcq_oz> tanks
[02:00] <mdke> hi smurfix 
[02:04] <mdke> smurfix, how is the locoteam stuff coming along?
[02:04] <dilinger> i'm hitting the mentos early this morning..
[02:04] <tfheen> cc: any reason why SpecProcess is both Draft and Edited?
[02:04] <fabbione> pitti: you around?
[02:05] <pitti> fabbione: yeah
[02:05] <pitti> fabbione: sublime 3
[02:05] <cc> tfheen: oversight, lets get it fixed
[02:05] <Riddell> jammcq_oz: yes it uses KDM of course
[02:05] <fabbione> pitti: gamin inotify backend is broken. Once i upload the new kernel with inotify, half of the apps using fam7gam will break
[02:05] <tfheen> cc: ok, it's edited?  I'll change it, put it in the queue
[02:05] <fabbione> pitti: i suggest to temporary disable it in gamin
[02:06] <tfheen> s/, / and /
[02:06] <smurfix> mdke: EditedSpec, I cleaned up the last outstanding issuses last night
[02:06] <fabbione> pitti: mind if i do the upload?
[02:06] <pitti> fabbione: of course not :-)
[02:06] <fabbione> pitti: or do you want to do it?
[02:06] <cc> tfheen: yeah it is
[02:06] <fabbione> pitti: ok thanks
[02:06] <pitti> fabbione: I won't upload until next week
[02:06] <mdke> smurfix, come again?
[02:06] <tfheen> cc: ok, thanks.
[02:06] <smurfix> mdke you wanted to know about the locoteam stuff
[02:07] <mdke> smurfix, yeah just that your answer went a bit over my head
[02:07] <mdke> ;)
[02:07] <smurfix> mdke: http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamProcess
[02:07] <mdke> ty
[02:09] <pitti> thom: here?
[02:10] <thom> pitti: not if i can help it
[02:10] <pitti> thom: which package contains the default firefox page?
[02:11] <tfheen> ubuntu-artwork, I think
[02:11] <pitti> tfheen: that's what I hoped :-)
[02:11] <mdke> it definitely used to be in ubuntu-artwork
[02:11] <thom> ubuntu-artwork
[02:12] <pitti> thom: the translations, too?
[02:12] <thom> what translations?
[02:12] <pitti> thom: okay, thanks :-)
[02:12] <mdke> pitti, did anyone chat to you about getting documentation into the language-packs?
[02:13] <pitti> mdke: into the language-support packages at most; we covered the topic briefly yesterday, but we will flesh it out in today's bof
[02:13] <mdke> cool
[02:13] <mdke> see if you can get jsgotangco along :)
[02:14] <jsgotangco> what time is that
[02:14] <mdke> *laughs*
[02:14] <mdke> poor jsgotangco 
[02:14] <jsgotangco> grrr
[02:14] <jsgotangco> i havent been sleeping well lately
[02:14] <mdke> pitti, i discussed it briefly with mdz and he was keen, but i understand it will be quite difficul
[02:15] <mdke> at the moment we are sticking translations into ubuntu-docs but its all a little bit improvised
[02:15] <pitti> mdke: can you come to today's BoF?
[02:15] <fabbione> pitti: gamin on the way
[02:16] <pitti> rock
[02:16] <mdke> pitti, other side of the worl
[02:16] <mdke> d
[02:16] <pitti> thom: ... and the default bookmarks?
[02:16] <jsgotangco> haha
[02:16] <mdke> dig a hole straight down, and you'll get to me
[02:16] <pitti> mdke: I think we developed a pretty good idea yesterday, just needs some fleshing out
[02:16] <thom> pitti: individual packages
[02:16] <pitti> thom: that means in m-ffox and so on?
[02:16] <mdke> pitti, by the way that firefox default page is the same as about-ubuntu isn't it? we have some translations of that
[02:16] <thom> yeah
[02:16] <mdke> maybe they could be transposed
[02:16] <pitti> thom: do you think it would be possible to move them into u-artwork?
[02:17] <pitti> thom: there must be some sort of dependency already for the startup page anyway?
[02:17] <pitti> mdke: yeah, but I think we don't use them in hoary
[02:18] <thom> pitti: possibly
[02:18] <mpt> That kind of bothers me
[02:18] <mdke> pitti, ok, if you want them, they are in the docs package ;)
[02:18] <mpt> MSIE's default home page in OS X isn't "About Windows"
[02:18] <mpt> er, Windows, sorry
[02:19] <mdke> its msn ;)
[02:19] <mpt> and Safari's default home page in OSX isn't "About OS X"
[02:19] <mpt> Yes, MSIE's is MSN, which lets you search the Web and stuff
[02:19] <mpt> and Firefox's is Google, which lets you search the Web and stuff
[02:19] <mdke> i also agree, there is a prominent about-ubuntu icon in the gnome menu
[02:19] <mpt> and Safari's is ... what is Safari's?
[02:19] <mdke> so no real need for the home page
[02:19] <mpt> I think it's some Apple-branded Netscape.com
[02:20] <thom> mpt: one of our cases is offline users
[02:20] <thom> which means a local page
[02:20] <mpt> http://apple.netscape.com/
[02:21] <jsgotangco> that is nice
[02:21] <mdke> what offline stuff does firefox get used for?
[02:21] <mpt> People, of their own volition, start up Firefox when they're offline?
[02:21] <thom> mdke: we can't assume our users actually *have* internet connections
[02:21] <mpt> without intending to go online?
[02:21] <HrdwrBoB> could be a local netwok
[02:21] <thom> mpt: totally, all the time
[02:21] <HrdwrBoB> network
[02:21] <tfheen> mpt: frequently, yes.
[02:21] <HrdwrBoB> or documentation
[02:21] <mdke> thom, agreed, but firefox is for the internet
[02:21] <mpt> If that's true, that's a bug in Nautilus
[02:21] <tfheen> I do it to read docs on planes and stuff
[02:21] <thom> mdke: no, it's for viewing html
[02:21] <fabbione> pitti: gamin accepted
[02:21] <jsgotangco> its good for html docs
[02:22] <jsgotangco> not just for the net
[02:22] <thom> whether it is online or off
[02:22] <mdke> thom, i think that people when reading html will open it from nautilus
[02:22] <mpt> i.e. it's too hard to find the doc in Nautilus and double-click it
[02:22] <tfheen> or actually, I run mozilla than since I've got session saved in ff.
[02:22] <jsgotangco> right
[02:22] <mdke> its really inconvenient to open ff and then go to "file/open"
[02:22] <mdke> i always open from nautilus
[02:22] <tfheen> mdke: that does not match how I use it, I use it for browsing for html files.
[02:22] <mdke> tfheen, fair enough
[02:23] <thom> mdke: totally disagree, i never use nautilus, i do use firefox offline; we need to support that case, which means no online home page
[02:23] <tfheen> mdke: I'm not saying both use cases are interesting, but your is not the only one.
[02:23] <mdke> tfheen, yes i see
[02:23] <mdke> tfheen, i suppose the solution adopted covers all bases
[02:23] <mpt> thom: Or, it means having an online home page and incorporating decent fixes for bug 28586 in the Ubuntu Fx package.
[02:24] <tfheen> mpt: which tracker is that bug # in?
[02:24] <thom> 28586 does not exist
[02:24] <tfheen> thom: b.m.o
[02:24] <tfheen> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=28586
[02:25] <mdke> is the firefox home page synched with the about ubuntu yelp page?
[02:25] <mpt> I know that bug number off by heart because I reported it so I can't unsubscribe from it :-)
[02:25] <mpt> Five years of bugspam
[02:26] <jsgotangco> haha a bug on the buglist
[02:26] <fabbione> tfheen, smurfix: aorund 11:30 will come a guy from the local university that is working on xen as upstream/derivate project to talk with me, if you are interested we can meet up in global?
[02:27] <tfheen> fabbione: rock
[02:29] <fabbione> tfheen: according to what he wrote me in the mail, it is a really interesting thing they are working on
[02:33] <tfheen> Kamion: ping?
[02:33] <cc> tfheen: minu-buntu or mini-buntu?
[02:34] <tfheen> cc: mini-ubuntu, I think, and buntu would be pronounced microbuntu.
[02:34] <cc> tfheen: yeah, figured ;-)
[02:34] <cc> i'l fix it
[02:35] <tfheen> cc: thanks
[02:35] <hypatia> I've been calling it mu-buntu ;)
[02:35] <tfheen> I don't think there are any pronounciation rules for blends of greek and Zulu words.
[02:36] <cc> anyone see a dr. evil link ?
[02:39] <tfheen> fabbione: I'm going to be in sublime 2 until 11:30, just ping me if the guy shows up.
[02:40] <fabbione> tfheen: no problem.. i will
[02:48] <tfheen> sladen: get up to sublime 2, you're second.
[02:54] <smurfix> Anybody seen doko / abaxter around?
[03:09] <fabbione> Kamion: http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/05/04/27/1836227.shtml?tid=189&tid=190&tid=106
[03:10] <zul> fabbione: someone just ported anaconda
[03:10] <ogra> zul to ubuntu ?
[03:10] <zul> gentoo
[03:10] <ogra> ah, ok...
[03:14] <odyssey> are packages in main allowed to depend on a package that is in the universe?
[03:14] <tfheen> no
[03:14] <seb128> they are not
[03:14] <odyssey> thats what i though
[03:15] <seb128> why ?
[03:15] <odyssey> i cant install libgda2-common from main without libgda2-3 that is in universe
[03:16] <seb128> don't use breezy
[03:16] <seb128> it's known to be broken
[03:17] <odyssey> k
[03:24] <fabbione> tfheen: want to join us in global?
[03:25] <tfheen> fabbione: two minutes
[03:25] <fabbione> ok
[03:26] <jammcq_oz> pitti: in the audio bof yesterday, did you say that network audio wasn't going to be supported in breezy?
[03:27] <jammcq_oz> or do we get that for free, with polypaudio?
[03:34] <d3vic3> http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/04/msg01048.html
[03:34] <d3vic3> :)
[03:34] <d3vic3> *speechless*
[03:36] <pitti> jammcq_oz: if we switch to polypaudio (very likely), then  you should have reasonable net support
[03:38] <fabbione> tfheen: time is out: you are the weakest link. kthxbye
[03:42] <tfheen> thom: could you look at buntu and address cc's comments?  Just steal my lock.
[03:42] <thom> tfheen: sure
[03:43] <cc> tfheen, thom: thanks
[03:43] <tfheen> thom: thanks a lot
[03:47] <thom> has anyone had breezy-changes mail today?
[03:48] <|QuaD-> thom: i did earlier on
[04:06] <jiyuu0> guys.. any inputs?
[04:06] <jiyuu0> Unofficial UbuntuGuide 5.04 Add-On CD Guide
[04:06] <jiyuu0> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=150651
[04:10] <Kamion> tfheen: yes?
[04:10] <Kamion> fabbione: whatever :)
[04:18] <lifeless> cc: ping
[04:19] <lifeless> can you please review TlaAndBazBranding ?
[04:19] <louie_> hello, lifeless
[04:21] <lifeless> louie_: hi
[04:21] <lifeless> back home now ?
[04:28] <Janux> hi, anyone knows how to show chinese characters in the xmms playlist? or music player in Ubuntu?
[04:37] <tfheen> Kamion: uhm, forgotten what I was going to ask about.
[04:40] <Kamion> heh
[04:41] <AndyFitz> http://andy.fitzsimon.com.au/Screenshot.png  maybe ?
[04:56] <jnc> Janux: 'rhythmbox' *should* do it
[04:59] <spiv> Hmm?
[04:59] <spiv> Argh, death lag from hell.
[05:00] <jnc> hell hath no fury like a server split
[05:00] <jnc> i give up
[05:01] <tfheen> daniels: you going to sit around here for a little while?
[05:02] <tfheen> (it seems to be easier to catch your attention on IRC than RL. :P)
[05:02] <robertj> heya all, how is udu?
[05:02] <daniels> tfheen: yes
[05:04] <louie_> oh, hrm, any opinions on how badly broken current breezy is?
[05:09] <thom> mucho if you use evo
[05:11] <Lathiat> and any mono stuf
[05:12] <jdub> louie_: don't dist-upgrade, just upgrade ;)
[05:13] <Lathiat> lathiat@archer:~$ cat .xsession-errors |tail -n1
[05:13] <Lathiat> ...Too much output, ignoring rest...
[05:13] <louie_> jdub: refresh my atrophied debian brain; what's the difference?
[05:13] <Lathiat> theres a good debugging feature :)
[05:13] <jdub> louie_: dist-upgrade will add and remove to satisyf the upgrade
[05:14] <jdub> louie_: upgrade just does what it can without removing
[05:14] <louie_> ah
[05:14] <louie_> right
[05:14] <Lathiat> what bit me was i had breezy running and then wanted to install evo which i previously had uninstalled :)
[05:19] <louie_> hrm
[05:19] <louie_> yeah
[05:19] <louie_> evo
[06:12] <tfheen> Kamion: if you're happy with oemrescue, please move the post-it note on the wall and add it to mdz's queue.
[06:31] <jsgotangco> tseng, ping?
[06:37] <cc> elmo: ping; launchpad wiki lacks working spell checker; same problem as the udu wiki, so i presume its the same fix (utf-8 blah)
[06:43] <robertj> oeminstaller seems pretty nice
[06:43] <robertj> as an idea anyway
[06:44] <robertj> too bad AFAIK partimage-server is b0rk in hoary
[06:45] <tfheen> oeminstaller is basically a nice wrapper around dd
[06:46] <tseng> jsgotangco: ?
[06:46] <tseng> jsgotangco: pongles
[06:49] <dilinger> jbailey: ping
[06:53] <cc> if anyone sees  JuanjeOjedaQueue, OliverGrawertQueue, tell them to rock up please
[06:54] <tseng> rocks out, bottoms up dude.
[06:54] <ogra> cc ?
[06:55] <ogra> cc, whats wrong ?
[06:56] <cc> ogra: this is in regards to GraphicalPartitioningTool; and also, do you read your Activity page? because its been waiting on you for a while...
[06:56] <cc> ogra: please fix, thanks. or have another BOF and fix :)
[06:57] <Lathiat> cc: they are keeping you busy :)
[06:57] <cc> Lathiat: definitely; i pretty much know all the specs in my head now...
[06:58] <ogra> cc, i read it about hourly....
[06:58] <Lathiat> heh
[06:58] <ogra> cc, whats missing ? what we meant with "ship" is explained in the brackets... i see no other comments 
[06:59] <Kamion> I explained the ship thing
[06:59] <Kamion> it's standard Ubuntu terminology
[06:59] <ogra> yep
[07:00] <Kamion> although not standard outside Ubuntu :)
[07:00] <ogra> :)
[07:01] <cc> ogra: i want information on packages affected; UI requirements (you have no thoughts on how it should look for the user), and the implementation plan can definitely be expanded, i'm sure
[07:01] <cc> Kamion: yeah, i figured that out after reading other docs in general. but i think others who are going to be picked up by google juice might not as well
[07:01] <Kamion> nod, that's why I explained ;)
[07:01] <ogra> cc, i'm not sure if we look at the same version....
[07:01] <cc> then that: Check with parted list about preferred frontend - there have been some issues with qtparted and error handling in the past. May be fixed now, it's been a little while since I hung out on the list (StewartSmith)
[07:02] <cc> ogra: http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/GraphicalPartitioningTool
[07:02] <cc> ogra: you're welcome to come here so i can tell you in person...
[07:02] <ogra> cc, i'll do :)
[07:03] <Kamion> is there any other Qt-based parted frontend?
[07:04] <tfheen> Kamion: 06:12 < tfheen> Kamion: if you're happy with oemrescue, please move the post-it note on the wall and add it to mdz's queue.
[07:05] <cc> Kamion: qt-parted is dead upstream iirc
[07:06] <Kamion> tfheen: yeah, was just doing that :)
[07:06] <Kamion> (done)
[07:06] <tfheen> Kamion: ok, goodie.  Just didn't know if you'd seen me poking you
[07:07] <Kamion> cc: we do need something Qt-based for Kubuntu though - maybe that means one of us has to pick it up
[07:07] <Kamion> naturally the Ubuntu one would be GNOMEish
[07:07] <Kamion> or GTKish or whatever
[07:08] <Lathiat> gparted seems to work
[07:08] <cc> Kamion: i keep on forgetting about KDE users ;-)
[07:10] <Kamion> so if necessary, the spec might need to say that we need to assume maintenance ...
[07:10] <Kamion> dunno
[07:13] <cc> ogra: hear all that from Kamion okay... and make it into the spec
[07:14] <mako> if you are at UDU and want to do the keysigning: http://mako.yukidoke.org/projects/ksp-udu/
[07:14] <mako> Riddell: ^^
[07:14] <tfheen> Keybuk: if you could take a look at udevraces when you have time, I'd appreciate.
[07:15] <Keybuk> haven't we got a session on that one later?
[07:15] <tfheen> we have, but I wrote up what we have so far. :P
[07:15] <dilinger> mako: you just got verbed
[07:16] <dilinger> "i almost mako'd my laptop"
[07:16] <Keybuk> could be worse, the laptop could've been allouched
[07:16] <schweeb> you guys apparently don't know about whiprushing
[07:17] <mako> dilinger: heh
[07:18] <dilinger> schweeb: whiprushing/
[07:18] <dilinger> ?
[07:18] <Lathiat> mako: what did you do to your laptop :)
[07:19] <tseng> schweeb: wha?
[07:19] <schweeb> dilinger: it involves carelessly dist-upgrading :)
[07:19] <schweeb> and has been extended to just about anything whiprush does to his systems to screw then up
[07:19] <Keybuk> mako has been known to pour water over his laptop
[07:19] <schweeb> tseng: here's some dirt
[07:19] <Lathiat> haha
[07:19] <Keybuk> and then in the madness to clean it up, pour water over someone else's laptop
[07:19] <Lathiat> Keybuk: are you serious?
[07:20] <schweeb> tseng: whiprush's shutdown commands on certain boxes have needed to have been moved... he's been known to type shutdown -h now in the wrong terminal window
[07:20] <Lathiat> in hind site, that be funny :)
[07:20] <Kamion> Lathiat: see mako's blog passim
[07:20] <tfheen> Keybuk: and to drop his laptop into a bucket of water.
[07:20] <Lathiat> tfheen: was it on?
[07:20] <tseng> schweeb: i believe that
[07:20] <Lathiat> thats just scary :)
[07:20] <Kamion> the 'shutdown -h now' thing happens to us all, with variations
[07:20] <daniels> schweeb: the best solution I've seen is to divert shutdown to shutdown.hostname on every machine
[07:20] <mako> Lathiat: he's seriously
[07:20] <Kamion> 'ifdown eth0' OH SHIT is also a common variant
[07:20] <tseng> schweeb: i really enjoyed today listening to him bash gentoo people when he is like that
[07:20] <Lathiat> i had a friend who, on a friday night, shut down the wrong box
[07:21] <tfheen> Lathiat: I don't know.
[07:21] <daniels> so sudo shutdown.tycho on gabe is harmless
[07:21] <Keybuk> killall python...oh fuck, it's SunOS
[07:21] <daniels> well, sudo shutdown.tycho -h now
[07:21] <daniels> Keybuk: heh
[07:21] <schweeb> tseng: I'm not too fond of gentoo myself...
[07:21] <Lathiat> that hurts
[07:21] <tfheen> Kamion: I've stopped doing shutdowns without doing a fresh login.  That helps a fair bit.
[07:21] <tseng> schweeb: me neither, but he's a bigot :P
[07:21] <schweeb> daniels: yea... or have the hostname in your prompt, and think before you type :)
[07:22] <schweeb> thinking before you type is the best preventative method :)
[07:22] <daniels> i have the hostname in my prompt, but thinking before I type is not my strongpoint
[07:23] <tfheen> differently coloured terminals for different hosts help too
[07:23] <tfheen> friend of mine uses that.  And has a fair amount of hosts to attend to
[07:24] <Lathiat> mako: ahh, good work.
[07:39] <jdub> http://perkypants.org/misc/the-fridge.jpg
[07:40] <tseng> zomg
[07:40] <elmo> omghfsnw
[07:40] <jammcq_oz> mdz_: ping
[07:42] <hawke> The bug here:  https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=154504 seems to apply to ubuntu also...where should I report this?
[07:43] <ctd> to bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[07:43] <hawke> ctd: thanks
[07:45] <Unfrgiven> jdub: what is the fridge bof about?
[07:46] <moquist> Unfrgiven: a website where folks can stick the best work to show mom & dad.
[07:47] <ogra> Kamion, isnt that up tothe kubutu guys to care for the qt-parted maintenance (find someone) ? i really cant judge qt tools...
[07:48] <Riddell> ogra: why are we talking about qt-parted
[07:49] <ogra> Riddell, http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/GraphicalPartitioningTool
[07:49] <ogra> Riddell, do you know any alternative for usage in a liveCD installer ?
[07:52] <jbailey> Anyone seen silbs?
[07:52] <fabbione> jbailey: she is in global
[07:52] <fabbione> right in front of me
[07:52] <jbailey> Thanks. =)
[07:54] <Unfrgiven> moquist: ur not serious right?
[07:57] <Riddell> ogra: qtparted, but I've never used it
[07:57] <hawke> jbailey: enjoy your new bug.
[07:57] <Riddell> ogra: but yes, it'll be up to kubuntu to make it usable
[07:57] <ogra> Kamion, so we wouldnt have to cover it in _this_ spec, right ? 
[07:58] <jbailey> hawke: Which one?
[07:58] <hawke> jbailey: 10245
[07:59] <jbailey> Reduced testcase!
[07:59] <jbailey> Sweet!
[07:59] <jbailey> hawke: Thanks. =)
[08:02] <hawke> jbailey: Well, I didn't come up with the test case(s), so I can't take credit for that.
[08:17] <moquist> Unfrgiven: only a tiny bit.  :)
[08:30] <Janux> jnc, hi, sorry I was afk, but how do I make it working?
[08:34] <pitti> Keybuk: where are you?
[08:37] <Keybuk> pitti: vibe out
[08:38] <pitti> Keybuk: I was asked by elmo that you are a wanker
[08:38] <Keybuk> I am?
[08:38] <pitti> Keybuk: elmo ... to tell you that ...
[08:38] <pitti> Keybuk: no idea what that is
[08:38] <Keybuk> he's such a charming character
[08:38] <Keybuk> is he actually coming to this bof?
[08:38] <pitti> Keybuk: he just started to go up
[08:39] <pitti> carlos: here?
[08:41] <carlos> pitti: hi
[08:42] <pitti> carlos: you totally confused me, my original desktop proposal was right
[08:42] <carlos> pitti: ok, sorry then... O:-)
[08:43] <jbailey> Has anyone explained to pitti what a wanker is yet? =)
[08:44] <d3vic3> O.O
[08:44] <tfheen> jbailey: I suspect not.
[08:44] <pitti> jbailey: someone did
[09:11] <zyga> hello
[09:15] <Amaranth> mpt: I just found http://mpt.phrasewise.com/discuss/msgReader$173. Seems like you've been at this for awhile. ;)
[09:36] <cc> pitti: ping
[09:37] <pitti> cc: pong
[09:37] <cc> pitti: do you want to add anything to BrandingForDerivatives? kamion is satisfied with it, but just checking w/you
[09:37] <pitti> cc: we reviewed it together, it's fine for me
[09:37] <cc> pitti: excellent. i'll ping you again when i'm done with it
[09:37] <pitti> cc: thanks, great
[09:46] <seb128> cc, what do you want to get changed for GdmRoadmap ?
[09:46] <cc> pitti: go ahead physically move it along; its an EditedSpec now
[09:47] <cc> seb128: scope and use cases (for the new changes); will it affect any migration? like people's current gdm stuff?; what packages besides gdm will be affected (do you need to include anything into main?); any UI requirements (new features must still be accessible, etc...?)
[09:47] <seb128> k, thanks
[09:48] <cc> seb128: ping me again when done (or just add it to my queue)
[09:49] <seb128> k
[10:33] <tfheen> Keybuk: had the time to read udevraces yet?
[10:33] <fabbione> elmo: please -> forum
[10:33] <Keybuk> I'll read it in the BOF :)
[10:34] <tfheen> blah, user.
[10:34] <pitti> carlos: can you please review LanguagePackRoadmap?
[10:35] <JaneW> nice to actually know who you guys are now .. ;)
[10:36] <Keybuk> and nice to know we do change t-shirts?
[10:36] <daniels> JaneW: do you really mean that, or are you frightened and working on your resum now?
[10:36] <Treenaks> daniels: that happened last time, right? :P
[10:36] <fabbione> can somebody ping elmo please?
[10:37] <JaneW> Keybuk: yeah that especially
[10:37] <fabbione> ah here he is
[10:37] <JaneW> Keybuk: except I fear it;s only because you get given free new ones, and get excited to try them on...?
[10:37] <JaneW> daniels: hehehe - maybe...
[10:38] <daniels> JaneW: mmm -- I'm now five shirts up from when I left home a week and a half ago
[10:38] <JaneW> fabbione: he's not anywhere near me.
[10:38] <JaneW> daniels: did you bring a spare suitcase to get them home in?
[10:40] <Lathiat> i didnt even get my linux.conf.au shirt
[10:40] <Lathiat> they didnt get them in until thursday, by the time i asked, they were all gone
[10:41] <daniels> JaneW: nope, my current one can apparently expand to 30% of its size
[10:41] <daniels> JaneW: either that, or I'll start throwing some of the older shirts out :P
[10:41] <JaneW> that would be contract technically
[10:41] <Lathiat> haha
[10:42] <daniels> JaneW: ber, 130
[10:42] <JaneW> 130%?
[10:42] <JaneW> or expand and extra 30%?
[10:42] <daniels> an extra 30
[10:42] <daniels> being able to shrink to a third of its size is a neat party trick
[10:42] <JaneW> ok, at least we are clear on that now
[10:49] <cc> mpt: remember to check MatthewThomasActivity (as it seems thru the wiki you might be thinking you're MatthewPaulThomas (which you are), but you only have an actiivty page without the paul bit)
[10:50] <jiyuu0> is there a command where i can get the path only minus the filename
[10:50] <tfheen> dirname
[10:51] <cc> mdz: Kamion was looking for you earlier (he popped in here); he might've found you i dont know
[10:51] <jiyuu0> thanks i'll give it a try
[11:01] <mdz> cc: if it was more than about an hour ago, he found me
[11:01] <cc> mdz: no idea, time has become a void to me it'd seem
[11:02] <tfheen> cc: please ping me if you have any comments on udevraces.
[11:02] <cc> tfheen: is that in my queue?
[11:02] <tfheen> should be
[11:02] <tfheen> as of five minutes ago or so
[11:03] <cc> tfheen: since you're online, lemme read that.. 
[11:04] <tfheen> cc: yay, thanks
[11:04] <ogra> cc, for which one ?
[11:05] <cc> ogra: hwdb
[11:05] <cc> ogra: its really interesting btw. i'm half-way thru
[11:05] <ogra> there are three ;)
[11:05] <ogra> heh...
[11:05] <ogra> need input ? i have spare time now
[11:05] <cc> ogra: give me 10 mins, finish with tfheen 
[11:06] <ogra> ok
[11:07] <thom> Even when the Canonical employees are factored out (the company seems to have moved its offices to Canberra for the conference), Ubuntu has clearly claimed a significant part of the distribution "market" among Linux developers.
[11:07] <thom> (from LWN)
[11:07] <tseng> wow
[11:07] <tseng> canberra
[11:07] <thom> LCA last week
[11:07] <tseng> oh.
[11:08] <dilinger> offices relocate weekly
[11:08] <jsg_> did LCA go well?
[11:08] <elmo> ubuntu was scarily prevalent there
[11:08] <tfheen> jsg_: yes
[11:08] <Treenaks> elmo: how?
[11:08] <elmo> Treenaks: eh?
[11:08] <Treenaks> 11:08 < elmo> ubuntu was scarily prevalent there
[11:09] <seb128> somebody knows where is jdub ?
[11:09] <tseng> Treenaks: alot of people were using it/ interested?
[11:09] <tseng> seb128: vibe out
[11:09] <seb128> has he planned to move downstair ?
[11:10] <smurfix> tseng: more than half of the panelists IIRC said they're using Ubuntu
[11:10] <smurfix> tseng: The rest mostly Debian, with one lone Gentoo hold-out ;-)
[11:11] <tfheen> seb128: he seems fairly comfy where he's sitting
[11:13] <seb128> tfheen, k, thanks
[11:13] <tfheen> seb128: I could probably throw stuff at him until he goes away, if you really want that
[11:13] <jdub> seb128: pong?
[11:13] <ogra> lol
[11:13] <tseng> tfheen: mentos
[11:13] <tseng> tfheen: go.
[11:13] <seb128> jdub, ah nice
[11:13] <seb128> query
[11:14] <daniels> can someone please throw fruit mentos with the clear plastic tabs at me, very gently?
[11:14] <daniels> i need sugar
[11:14] <Unfrgiven> tseng: lol
[11:14] <daniels> i repeat: very gently
[11:14] <dilinger> i think i'm sitting in the wrong place for this mentos tossing game
[11:14] <tfheen> dilinger: come to vibeout
[11:14] <tfheen> bring mentos
[11:15] <tfheen> go wild
[11:15] <dilinger> tfheen: i am in vibeout
[11:15] <daniels> tfheen: he's *in* vibe out
[11:15] <tseng> right behind you!!!!!ONE
[11:15] <thom> tfheen: HE'S BEHIND YOU!
[11:15] <daniels> a good one point five metres from you
[11:15] <daniels> sniper in the trees!  sniper in the trees!
[11:15] <tfheen> dilinger: then just bring mentos and go wild.
[11:15] <daniels> dilinger: yeah dude, where's the mentos?
[11:15] <daniels> slacker
[11:15] <dilinger> i ate 'em all
[11:15] <dilinger> they were tasty
[11:15] <dilinger> so very tasty
[11:16] <tseng> its too much effort to get back out of this little chill pad
[11:16] <daniels> goddamnit, dude
[11:16] <tseng> to get anything.
[11:16] <dilinger> the a/c rocks
[11:16] <dilinger> i wish i discovered this room earlier
[11:16] <daniels> tseng: i suspect it would be even less effort if you had a cushion in the chair
[11:16] <daniels> do you want it?
[11:16] <tseng> fuck yes
[11:16] <tseng> lets have it
[11:17] <tseng> daniels: cheers
[11:17] <daniels> i live to give
[11:17] <d3vic3> :-D
[11:19] <ctd> those mentos things are addictive
[11:19] <daniels> a little, yes
[11:19] <ctd> I think by the end of the installfest the whole room of them had gone. :)
[11:20] <tseng> and the keep refilling them
[11:20] <tseng> its a healthy crack substitute
[11:20] <daniels> i wonder what the hotel's mentos bill is
[11:20] <ctd> heh
[11:20] <tfheen> daniels: 1 megadollars/day.
[11:20] <tfheen> at least with us around
[11:21] <tseng> 80 megamentos limit
[11:21] <ctd> 2megadollars on monday
[11:21] <tseng> slow down with the throwing
[11:21] <thom> especially when lamont MIRVs them
[11:21] <tseng> its a bunch of 20 something guys sitting in a cold room talking on irc
[11:21] <cartman> ctd: me too
[11:22] <ctd> or I could magically appear in vibeout.
[11:22] <tseng> when they could just yell across the room
[11:22] <tseng> you dont need a feed
[11:22] <lamont_r> tseng: we're _BEING_POLITE_ dammit. :-)
[11:22] <Treenaks> oh no.. another candy-throwing episode?
[11:22] <tseng> lamont_r: you're in another room, dude!
[11:22] <dilinger> tseng is totally downplaying the hot mentos action
[11:22] <ctd> hell, maybe I should convince school to let me attend UDU tomorrow. :)
[11:22] <jsgotangco> ctd, you should :)
[11:22] <lamont_r> tseng: true
[11:23] <tseng> lamont_r: come up, ill throw candy at you
[11:23] <tseng> unless you got sucked into a bof
[11:23] <ctd> If not tomorrow, I'll turn up Saturday. :)
[11:23] <daniels> tseng: DO NOT WASTE IT ON LAMONT.  THROW IT AT ME IF YOU HAVE ANY.
[11:23] <daniels> (gently!!)
[11:23] <ctd> and throw mentos at daniels 
[11:23] <jsgotangco> hehe
[11:23] <astharot> ciao
[11:24] <daniels> oh my god
[11:24] <daniels> tseng is the mentos fairy
[11:24] <ctd> going to shops
[11:24] <JaneW> ctd: don't do it!
[11:24] <thom> there is probably a sydney wide shortage now
[11:25] <jsgotangco> don't bother all the mentos are here
[11:25] <jsgotangco> i ate like a thousand already
[11:25] <tseng> thom: they could get more if they looked on the floors and in the cushions
[11:25] <daniels> jsgotangco: only?
[11:25] <JaneW> hehehe
[11:25] <jsgotangco> daniels, for the day
[11:25] <jsgotangco> hehe
[11:25] <thom> or just around lamont
[11:25] <jsgotangco> i had like 5 redbulls this afternoon only
[11:25] <jsgotangco> im so full of caffeine
[11:25] <daniels> JaneW: you'l be chasing that sweet, sweet first hit
[11:25] <daniels> jsgotangco: clearly what you need now is shitloads of sugar
[11:25] <JaneW> too many traumatic memories associated...
[11:26] <lamont_r> jsgotangco: not much caffeine in redbull
[11:26] <lamont_r> daniels: he got that in the redbull
[11:26] <daniels> i have a very good caffeine hit upstairs
[11:26] <daniels> about ten packs of foosh mints
[11:26] <jsgotangco> heh
[11:26] <tseng> yet you are begging for mentos
[11:26] <ctd> redbull isn't very effective.
[11:26] <cc> lotsa mentos here
[11:26] <daniels> http://www.thinkgeek.com/caffeine/candy/6e27/
[11:26] <ctd> I find V better.
[11:27] <cc> sublime 3 is the place to be (for mentos at least)
[11:27] <ctd> heh
[11:27] <daniels> tseng: it's been almost three weeks since I've had caffeine yet
[11:27] <daniels> oh my god, yes
[11:27] <jsgotangco> gyahh
[11:27] <daniels> it's even worse than jelly belly
[11:27] <ctd> peer-to-peer mentos trading.
[11:27] <tseng> cc: ill give you a 2AUD thingy to come in here and throw a shitload at thom 
[11:27] <cc> tseng: where is here?
[11:27] <tseng> cc: vibe out
[11:27] <tseng> it has to be a good hit
[11:27] <cc> till jbailey rocked up, i was the only one here for hours. boo hiss
[11:27] <tseng> and you cant run
[11:27] <thom> cc: i'll raise you a piece of eight
[11:28] <thom> to hit tseng instead
[11:28] <d3vic3> cc the sweet assassin
[11:28] <ctd> You can't hide in BOFs!
[11:29] <ctd> so, when's the Mentos BOF going to be?
[11:29] <tseng> it just happened
[11:29] <jsgotangco> yeah
[11:29] <dilinger> that's every bof
[11:29] <ctd> heh
[11:30] <jsgotangco> ooohhh Pepsi Max
[11:31] <bob2> it's like pepsi
[11:31] <tseng> whats the max
[11:31] <d3vic3> eish! mentos flying around 
[11:31] <bob2> but with artificial sugar
[11:31] <bob2> ten times as much
[11:31] <dilinger> it's raining
[11:32] <thom> men...tos
[11:32] <jsgotangco> you cant finish the BOFs with Mentos raining around
[11:32] <JaneW> your BOF is finished now
[11:33] <d3vic3> so are the flying mentos 
[11:33] <dilinger> thom: parallel mentos init, with dependencies (the freshmaker)
[11:33] <ogra> *g*
[11:33] <bob2> the foomaker.
[11:34] <bob2> careful with that
[11:34] <tseng> man
[11:34] <JaneW> ~~WIRED~~
[11:34] <tseng> id hate to be the one cleaning this up
[11:34] <bob2> or you'll be bouncing off the walls too much to catch the omlettes
[11:34] <dilinger> it's only a matter of time before i become a human shield
[11:34] <tseng> theyll be finding mentos for weeks
[11:34] <jsgotangco> lol
[11:34] <tseng> daniels hit some dude right in the face
[11:35] <tseng> brutality.
[11:35] <cc> so, do i get my money? ;-)
[11:35] <daniels> tseng: abentley
[11:35] <tseng> for what?
[11:35] <tseng> i didnt even see you come in here
[11:35] <cc> tseng: pfft. daniels be  my witness, i did
[11:35] <tseng> i do
[11:36] <daniels> cc came in here yeah
[11:37] <tseng> did he rain mentos on thom ?
[11:37] <cc> thom ran away unfortunately
[11:37] <JaneW> note to all: DINNER IS AT 20:30 - AS USUAL
[11:37] <tseng> well then
[11:37] <tseng> you get nothing.
[11:37] <bob2> JaneW: but I'm hungry NOW
[11:37] <cc> JaneW: not 20:15
[11:37] <tseng> JaneW: pfft
[11:37] <JaneW> ok ok, 20:19
[11:37] <d3vic3> we are in diet *runs*
[11:37] <JaneW> compromise ;)
[11:38] <d3vic3> s/in/on/
[11:38] <daniels> cc: thom's here, dude
[11:38] <JaneW> d3vic3: after this week I need one!
[11:38] <dilinger> ogra: ooh, i hope we have fish again.  how about you?
[11:38] <cc> dand: i'm back editing ogra's thingo now
[11:38] <daniels> tseng with the headshot
[11:39] <daniels> 12q1`````````5~5
[11:39] <tseng> rock out.
[11:39] <jsgotangco> I hope they wont give me fish anymore for dinner
[11:40] <ogra> jsgotangco, ;)
[11:40] <ajmitch_> you liked the fish, right?
[11:41] <jsgotangco> i only ate the fish
[11:41] <tseng> dinners here are such crack
[11:41] <jsgotangco> i wanted the bloody meat
[11:42] <tseng> where is dholbach
[11:44] <ogra> tseng, global
[11:44] <tseng> blah
[11:47] <JaneW> and I keep getting meat when *I* want fish
[11:47] <JaneW> go figure...
[11:47] <tseng> JaneW: crack!
[11:48] <tseng> they try to give me vegan food for some reason
[11:48] <tseng> i dont like green leafy crap
[11:48] <JaneW> it's like they want to try break us all
[11:48] <JaneW> which will be oretty soon
[11:48] <JaneW> pretty
[11:49] <JaneW> they broke kinnison already
[11:49] <JaneW> with the feather thing
[11:49] <jsgotangco> the pillows?
[11:49] <tfheen> yeah, he's really allergic to feathers.
[11:49] <koke> hey, I'd kill for some fried eggs & chips :)
[11:49] <tseng> fried eggs?
[11:49] <jsgotangco> id like a big mac for a change
[11:50] <tseng> you guys are sick
[11:50] <tfheen> mcdonalds isn't food.
[11:51] <jsgotangco> exactly
[11:51] <smurfix> That's kindof the point with McD ;-)
[11:53] <tseng> ogra: why isnt dholbach online
[12:01] <seb128> cc, GdmRoadmap updated
[12:03] <cc> seb128: ok, looking at it now (looks a lot nicer, yes)
[12:04] <seb128> thanks
[12:08] <ogra> tseng, dunno... i'll poke hm....
[12:10] <tseng> im on a mentos downer
[12:10] <ogra> in global there are still plenty of mentos
[12:11] <daniels> tseng: dude, there are shitloads on the table
[12:11] <daniels> like, bowls
[12:11] <tseng> i know
[12:11] <tseng> i mean
[12:11] <tseng> sugerbomb
[12:11] <daniels> heh
[12:11] <tseng> AndyFitz: <3
[12:12] <koke> I think mentos+red bull was not a sensible mixture
[12:12] <koke> clock runs slower before dinner
[12:14] <jsgotangco> me too
[12:18] <lamont_r> mjg59: where you at?
[12:23] <bluefoxicy> should "Marked Changes" be in "Status"? and not "Custom"?
[12:26] <cc> daniels: http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/XorgAutoconfiguration is that like a draft spec?
[12:57] <Taliesin`> o.O
[12:57] <Taliesin`> buh bye telstra? :P
[12:59] <hypatia> could be
[01:01] <Taliesin`> i didnt know about it until yesterday
[01:03] <ctd> so, earlier discussion has caused me to find the mentos song on my desktop.
[01:26] <cartman> http://www.pcworld.com/reviews/article/0,aid,120520,00.asp <-- check out
[01:27] <solomarv> sweet
[01:31] <ctd> "became the second fabulously rich guy to literally buy his way into orbit."
[01:31] <ctd> Not what I heard. :|
[01:35] <solomarv> ctd, what have you heard?
[01:44] <ctd> I don't think he really bought his way in from what he said at lca.
[01:44] <solomarv> ctd: he did pay $20 mil, didn't he?
[01:45] <ctd> can't remember that bit, but it wasn't just a holiday or anything.
[01:46] <hypatia> as I understand it, he paid the money, but also underwent the complete training program.
[01:46] <hypatia> which is probably true of all the "space tourists" to date.
[01:47] <Lathiat> yeh he did
[01:47] <Lathiat> i went to his talk at linux.conf.au
[01:47] <Lathiat> the training he went through was rather horrendous :)
[03:04] <jsgotangco> ogra, hi hehehe
[03:05] <ogra> jsgotangco, evil .au server
[03:12] <trulux> heya folks
[03:12] <trulux> pitti: hey!
[03:12] <pitti> hi trulux 
[03:12] <trulux> pitti: how's it going? I have many thinks to talk about, regarding the pro. sec. BOF
[03:13] <pitti> trulux: please look at http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/ProactiveSecurityRoadmap, there might be things that interest you
[03:15] <pitti> night, folks
[03:16] <trulux> pitti: I printed that early in the morning
[03:16] <trulux> oops :(
[03:16] <trulux> fabbione: there?
[03:16] <trulux> ajmitch_: one moment
[03:17] <trulux> ajmitch_: just two things: where did you put the fixed pam packages, and, if you can be reached by phone at UDU, I might call you for telling you about a few details regarding our BOF/UDU politics
[03:17] <trulux> as I can't go there, you might be able to help out
[03:18] <trulux> just on concrete things around the SELinux BOF and the PS one
[03:18] <ajmitch_> email me
[03:18] <jsgotangco> it would be nice to have a mentos food fight before we all go to bed
[03:19] <trulux> ajmitch_: ok, to the gnu.org, right?
[03:20] <ajmitch_> ihug.co.nz may work better
[03:20] <trulux> oh, ok
[03:20] <trulux> if you have your account on fencepost I would just send to localhost ;D
[03:22] <ajmitch_> it is
[03:38] <ajmitch_> night all
[03:58] <souki> hello, where to post bug-report for hoary ?
[04:01] <zul> bugzilla.ubuntulinux.com
[04:02] <souki> zul, thanks, do I need to register?
[04:03] <Burgundavia> yep
[04:03] <Burgundavia> souki, what package?
[04:04] <souki> Burgundavia, firefox
[04:04] <souki> I've noticed a strabge bug with textarea
[04:04] <Burgundavia> ok, that is bugzilla
[04:17] <zyga> hello
[06:11] <Janux> hi, anyone here can help me? my xmms and music player play list cannot show chinese characters, any clue?
[06:12] <Burgundavia> #ubuntu for help
[06:12] <Burgundavia> this channel would be for your patch to fix it
[06:13] <Janux> Burgundavia, someone directed me from there to here, and they even directed me to ubuntu-zh but I didn't get any help from there.
[06:17] <Burgundavia> I would try google for an answer
[06:18] <Janux> Burgundavia, okay.....thanks
[06:18] <Burgundavia> sorry I cannot be of help
[06:22] <jnc> Janux: not sure.  i'll take a look at it if i find the time to do so
[06:26] <Janux> thank you for both of you...:)
[07:18] <enrico> Hello.  Is there some arch/tla/baz hacker I can query for a question?
[07:19] <zul> i think they have their own channel
[07:19] <enrico> right
[07:19] <Lathiat> #voodoo-magic-evil-of-the-dark
[07:20] <Burgundavia> no no no
[07:20] <Burgundavia> #small-children-sacraficed-here
[07:21] <zul> or even #bazaar?
[07:22] <Lathiat> sounds less evil
[07:23] <zul> sounds more right though
[07:23] <Lathiat> true
[08:25] <spo0nman> is there any way to make uml boot into a kernel other than the running one?
[08:25] <zul> huh?
[08:26] <spo0nman> zul, :-?
[08:27] <zul> what was the question?
[08:27] <spo0nman> is there a way to make user mode linux boot a kernel off an installation media?
[08:28] <zul> like a cd-rom?
[08:28] <spo0nman> zul, yes.
[08:28] <zul> i havent seen it done before but check goocle
[08:28] <zul> google
[08:29] <spo0nman> hmm k
[11:04] <trulux> someone here able to do some prelink work?
[11:04] <trulux> I'm fixing the stuff on http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/ProactiveSecurityRoadmap
[11:06] <Simira> morning Sydnay
[11:06] <Simira> Sydney, even
[11:48] <kay> When will gcc 4.0.0 come into Breezy?
[11:48] <tseng> its already there.
[11:50] <Simira> tseng, always the first one...
[11:50] <Simira> still breakfast, eh?
[11:50] <tseng> Simira: i slept in today, miss
[11:50] <tseng> havent even showered yet
[11:50] <Simira> tseng: so you're not really up yet, heh?
[11:50] <tseng> nope :P
[11:53] <kay> hm.... why is still named gcc-4.0_4.0-0pre11_i386.deb then :p
[11:54] <tseng> erm, we cant upload this week
[11:55] <kay> what?
[11:55] <tseng> what I said.
[11:55] <kay> ok, then please tell me why, is Breezy already frozen ? ;-)
[11:56] <tseng> there is no bandwidth here to spare
[11:57] <kay> wow, that's bad news
[11:57] <Simira> mornin, mdke
[11:58] <tseng> kay: i said 1 week
[11:59] <kay> Sorry if I get on your nerves, but can you say how this comes?
[12:00] <tseng> http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDownUnder/