=== jsgotangco [~jsg@intern146.lnk.telstra.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mkde [~mdke@mdke.user] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:59] salut mdke [12:59] hi Burgundavia [12:59] hows things? [01:00] not bad [01:00] finally getting my speech done [01:00] speech? [01:00] giving a talk about Ubuntu [01:00] http://lfnw.blug.org/fest2005/schedule.dxp [01:00] awesome [01:01] cool agenda [01:01] lol http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Kenjiromu/paid.jpg [01:02] what talks are you gonna attend? apart from your own... [01:02] no idea [01:03] salut [01:03] looks like loads of cool ones [01:03] hi jsgotangco [01:03] hey our UDU-going friend === Burgundavia grumbles === jsgotangco embraces the UDU guys === cc [~cc@freedesktop.org] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:04] seen this? http://www.pcworld.com/reviews/article/0,aid,120520,00.asp [01:04] yep [01:05] distrowatch keeps are pretty good handle on the reviews [01:05] oh right [01:05] cool [01:08] whats cookin === mdke puts jsgotangco on a slow fire === jsgotangco completely ignores wiki/rosetta bofs [01:10] nah, he is already in aussie, he is already there [01:11] i might move here [01:11] the weather is really nice [01:11] jsgotangco, ignore those meetings and I will turn up the fire === jsgotangco goes to the HitchickersGuideToTheGalaxyUDUBatch BOF [01:13] i wouldn't put it past you crazy guys to have one of those [01:13] its out today isn't it? [01:13] there was a request for that over here [01:16] http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8276 [01:16] cool, it mentions that we are presenting [01:29] mdke, there's only a Rosetta WorkFlow bof atm [01:33] i haven't seen the timetable for today [01:33] jsgotangco, you just have fun! [01:33] that's what its all about [01:33] it thurs or wed there? [01:33] thur [01:34] did you guys see that henrik transferred the static documentation from the website to the wiki? [01:36] no i didnt notice that [01:36] sure im having fun here but the bay is so inviting outside...*sniff* === Burgundavia whips jsgotangco === Burgundavia reminds him that he is there for 5 other people [01:38] Burgundavia, aww leave him alone [01:38] he is there for himself and to have a good time [01:38] nope [01:38] naw that's too selfish [01:38] well i certainly didn't pay any of his fare [01:38] im the defender of the dokteam kause [01:38] jsgotangco, :) [01:38] note the k [01:39] yes [01:39] it was a forced smile [01:39] hahaha [01:39] people say my gnome was borked because it had Ks all over [01:39] evil evil KDE users [01:39] should be shot [01:39] i have to say, there is a certain amount of incompatibility between kde and gnome on Ubuntu when you run both [01:39] shot Riddel and amu [01:40] i'm tempted to file it as a bug [01:40] i just run ubuntu gnome now [01:40] my kubuntu is so borked === mdke pats jsgotangco on the back [01:40] this thing is soooo plain [01:40] we had this artwork bof [01:40] andy was heading it === Burgundavia avoids the incompatibility by only running the onetruedesktop, ms windows [01:41] he hated the 1pixel black borders on icons [01:41] jsgotangco, you musn't name drop and assume that i know who you're talking about [01:41] i dont know his nick! [01:41] surname? [01:42] well anyway he did some nice human icons on draft but was totally way out of the gnome spec [01:42] fitzimmons === cc2 [~cc@freedesktop.org] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:42] it was pretty shiny though, like kde icons [01:42] but not so cartoonish === Burgundavia curses at OO.o impress [01:43] I like the clean plain desktop [01:43] he's trying to get Human as default on breezy [01:43] becase the current human icons are plain hideous [01:43] Burgundavia, im on default as well [01:44] meh [01:44] i can't stand brown on my desktop [01:44] i like blue [01:44] that reminds me [01:44] let me get ubuntu-cal [01:44] awww but that would make me remove my rushcutters bay wallpaper [01:45] shiny --> http://www.gnome-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=23446&file1=23446-1.png&file2=&file3=&name=Ubuntu+World [01:45] already --> http://www.gnome-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=23376&file1=23376-1.jpg&file2=&file3=&name=Ubuntu+5.10+%28Breezy+Badger%29+CD+cover [01:46] who did that? [01:46] no idea [01:46] the first one is ok [01:46] is on gnome-look [01:46] its got australia [01:47] my current --> http://www.gnome-look.org/content/files/19845-lanscape.jpg [01:48] oohhhh that's nice [01:48] there are a series by him [01:49] I use tobacco-sky for a gdm login screen [01:50] what gnome theme? [01:50] burgey! [01:50] salut Kinnison, my favourite camera target [01:51] I am missing you [01:51] mdke, http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=18178 [01:51] i like tobacco sky [01:51] what gnome theme? [01:51] bbl BOF [01:51] thats a sexy gdm [01:51] indeed [01:51] there are some thoughts that something like that should be default [01:52] it is also very calm [01:52] geez I need that gdm [01:52] and has no text on it [01:52] Burgundavia: It's a pity because there's a rather cute one here [01:52] Kinnison, dammit! [01:53] who? === Kinnison laughs [01:53] haha [01:53] Burgundavia: We went to a gay bar last night too, it was so much fun. [01:54] Kinnison, @ Kings Cross? === Burgundavia grumbles. He does that a lot recently [01:56] its only thursday you can still catch a plane and arrive on saturday [01:56] right [01:56] I have to give a talk on Sat [01:56] and I have no money [01:57] aussie costs a lot to get there [01:57] Burgundavia: aye [01:57] jsgotangco: darlinghurst [01:57] I spent my money on a trip to Spain [01:57] i only like $10A in my pocket [01:57] in retrospect, I should have applied [01:57] I didn't realize how under-represented the docteam was going to be [01:58] aye [01:58] hmmm [01:58] cest la vie, prochaine fois === mdke nods [01:58] mary drops by now and then anyway === jsgotangco feels guilty now and goes in a corner [01:58] jsgotangco, it doesn't matter! [01:59] OO.o Impress has this annoying bug of trying to save every 15 minutes when the doc hasn't been saved at all [01:59] so rather tahn just silently saving a temp somehwer, it pops up and grabs attention [01:59] even across virtual desktops [01:59] heh not just impress [02:00] I hate OO [02:00] I just wish there was a presentation app for Gnome Office [02:00] Burgundavia: you can turn that feature off [02:01] cc, it is not off by default [02:01] that is a bug [02:01] and I don't use OO.o enough to dig through and find it [02:01] no thats an undocumented feature [02:01] Burgundavia: actually, with upstream it is. its _not_ a bug. its a feature. Word has it turned on [02:01] *grin* [02:01] as does any sane office suite [02:01] cc, it looks like a bug and smells like a bug [02:01] aye [02:01] cc, it grabs my attention and beeps my computer speaker [02:01] that is a BUG [02:02] Burgundavia: you can turn that off, if you'd like. i.e. even the prompting bit. it can just "autosave" (and that might annoy some too) [02:02] there's no winning with users. everyone wants it set differently [02:02] autosave = good. Autosave when doc is not already saved = bad [02:02] so, it just gets set "one way" [02:02] cc, still on by default though === hypatia [~mary@CommSecureAustPtyLtd.sb1.optus.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:02] autosave is a good idea, but this implementation is a bad idea [02:02] understand that key difference === mdke nods [02:02] autosave is good [02:03] hypatia, hi [02:03] generally OO.o is a pile of Usability bugs jammed into a terrible interface [02:03] with an annoying help interface to boot === cc is an upstream OOo devel... [02:03] morning [02:03] gyaahh don't use it === Burgundavia is ranting [02:03] hi hypatia [02:04] go back to the holy grail of office suite [02:04] cc, even if I knew you were an upstream OO devel, I still would have said that === mdke nods [02:05] Burgundavia: i know; it blows, but i'm telling you the difference i guess [02:05] the fact that by default its disabled upstream [02:05] and we had a bug filed saying enable it [02:05] cc, I understand where you are coming from [02:05] you have a huge legacy codebase [02:05] and a legacy of trying to emulate MS Office [02:06] which to me is a very bad thing, but that is a topic for another discussion [02:06] Burgundavia: and its the best, at the moment (and probably will be for a long time) [02:07] I agree with you there [02:07] does the same thing happen in OOo v2? [02:07] cc, you work for sun? [02:08] Burgundavia: no [02:08] ok [02:09] cc, is there movement of getting OO gettextized? [02:09] Burgundavia: nope; proposed spec, people see codebase, they run [02:09] far, far away [02:09] ok [02:10] I have never looked at OO code, but I understand it is a little hairy to dive into [02:17] ok, I have to go [02:17] bye matey === jsgotangco [~jsg@intern146.lnk.telstra.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === froud-away [~froud@ndn-165-143-125.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mvirkkil [~mvirkkil@vipunen.hut.fi] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [~jsg@intern146.lnk.telstra.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mvirkkil [~mvirkkil@vipunen.hut.fi] has joined #ubuntu-doc === froud-away [~froud@ndn-165-143-125.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc === boglot [~logbot@gw.workaround.org] has joined #ubuntu-doc === asw [~asw@node-423a728a.bos.onnet.us.uu.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Kinnison [~dsilvers@haddenham.pepperfish.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === sladen [paul@starsky.19inch.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mdke [~mdke@mdke.user] has joined #ubuntu-doc === cc [~cc@byte.fedora] has joined #ubuntu-doc === hypatia [~mary@CommSecureAustPtyLtd.sb1.optus.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [~jsg@intern146.lnk.telstra.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mvirkkil [~mvirkkil@vipunen.hut.fi] has joined #ubuntu-doc === froud-away [~froud@ndn-165-143-125.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jiyuu0 [~jiyuu0@219.95.59.230] has joined #ubuntu-doc === netjoined: irc.freenode.net -> tolkien.freenode.net === jsgotangco [~jsg@intern146.lnk.telstra.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mdke [~mdke@mdke.user] has joined #ubuntu-doc === sladen [paul@starsky.19inch.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [~jsg@intern146.lnk.telstra.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:12] hypatia, you there? [06:13] yeah, mostly === cc [~cc@byte.fedora] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:13] ok theres a PackagingSystemDocumentation BOF and I am in second fyi [06:14] its low priority anyway [06:17] Right. [06:17] When I said "yeah" I meant I'm on IRC. [06:17] I'm not physically there until Saturday. [06:21] yeah im aware of that tee hee === jsg_ [~jsg@intern146.lnk.telstra.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Burgundavia [~corey@S01060050bfff2437.du.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:43] salut === d3vic3 [~d3vic3@intern146.lnk.telstra.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === froud-away is now known as froud [07:41] African Greetings [07:42] O.o [07:43] Ah, you south african [07:43] d3vic3: yep [07:43] the right word would be "molweni" (same language as "ubuntu") [07:43] :-D [07:43] and by your domain you are in au [07:44] welcome to Ubuntu-doc [07:44] come to join us write docs [07:45] I'm in au but I'm from za [07:45] I'm attending UDU [07:45] sanbonani [07:45] Howzit going fo ryou at UDU? [07:46] vic in the nick mean you from Victoria [07:47] or is it part of your name [07:48] lol [07:49] device <-- that my nick [07:49] Ah ha [07:49] sorry 07:30 is not the best time for this type of thinking [07:50] udu is going well, I think, everyone is busy with specs [07:50] So d3vic3 you going to some bofs [07:50] was in one just now [07:50] which one? [07:51] Hmmm this is gonna be a slow chat :-) [07:52] JavaRoadMap [07:52] morn Burgundavia cc hypatia jiyuu0 Kinnison mdke [07:52] yes, froud ? [07:52] Ooooh another java lover, nice [07:52] cc: just saying morning [07:52] lo [07:52] oh, hi [07:53] yep we need more acceptance of java === froud loves java [07:53] morning froud. [07:53] good afternoon, UDU. [07:54] so d3vic3 I guess you are on ubuntu-doc because you are gonna help us write documents, right ;-) [07:54] hypatia: hows UDU for you today === jsgotangco [~jsg@intern146.lnk.telstra.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:54] jsgotangco: hello dude [07:54] jsgotangco: long time no speak [07:55] hey froud how have you been [07:55] yes [07:55] I might, dunno how much work Im actually in for after UDU [07:55] How was the documentation packaging bof [07:55] d3vic3: why is that? [07:55] well we had to move it on saturday along with Intro Developer Docs [07:55] its so specific [07:55] jsgotangco: yeah intro developer docs need to come to docteam [07:56] that on for saturday, iirc [07:56] froud, yeah we figured that out...well im doing Dial Up BOF later [07:56] the new stuff in svn will come in handy [07:56] yep, I saw [07:56] yes, nice doc [07:57] needs a bit of work but it is a greatstart [07:57] it relates well to laptop hardware support as well [07:57] yep [07:57] so far good coverage [07:58] jsgotangco: we have good news [07:58] oh yeah? [07:58] jsgotangco: jiyuu0 is coming around to work insvn [07:58] whoa [07:58] that is good news [07:58] and jjesse is gonna get a commiter account [07:58] sweet [07:58] hopefully jeff will to [07:59] did you ask james for the commit access? [07:59] d3vic3: now we need three patches of significance from you and we can get you an account too [07:59] jsgotangco: not yet, it was late [07:59] but they will mail enrico [07:59] jsgotangco: is enrico down there? [08:00] I keep missinghime [08:00] froud, I see [08:00] no i would have seen him if he was here i guess [08:00] jsgotangco: yeah, did you catch hypatia [08:01] yeah i did she's nice [08:01] last I heard of enrico was jdub telling me he has a new job and is busy. [08:01] such a tall lady too [08:01] yeah he is work at ARPA [08:01] jsgotangco: aw that's just because you are so short [08:01] :-) [08:01] jsgotangco: I was really tired last night. Hope to be more alive on Saturday. [08:01] froud: To me, the world is short. [08:02] doh..what do you expect...im asian 6" asians are a rarity [08:02] hmmm, froud likes em tall :-) [08:02] jsgotangco: lol === Kinnison wonders if jsgotangco means 6" or 6' [08:02] 6' sorry [08:02] Kinnison: either works. [08:02] hey the gay Englishman speaks === Kinnison hides [08:02] haha [08:03] froud: Nice to know that my gender preference is my most memorable trait [08:03] :-) [08:03] Kinnison: you still in denial about doing docs [08:03] Kinnison: we love you [08:03] Kinnison: to me your most memorable trait is your lj username. [08:03] There's something about the fish... [08:03] Kinnison: you are part of the funiture === froud hugs Kinnison === Kinnison grins [08:04] fish and chips [08:04] now where is the vinogar [08:05] jsgotangco: if you see mako tell him he rocks [08:05] jsgotangco: he will understand [08:05] he's kinda stoned at the moment at the fridge === Kinnison laughs [08:06] hypatia: But I don't post on LJ these days [08:06] that sounds like the right person [08:06] Kinnison: I see you comment in daniels's journal every so often. [08:06] Kinnison: so I still get fish exposure. [08:07] Heh === froud wonders what all the fish is about [08:07] I run an ISP called 'Pepperfish' [08:07] Ah ha [08:07] (why Pepperfish? Well, we're not entirely sure) [08:07] is it any good [08:07] I mean "the other daniels" of course. [08:07] I may be looking for some hosting [08:08] Kinnison: I need a place to test an Apache Tomcat, Cocoon thing called Lenya [08:08] Well, our customers seem happy :-) [08:08] Of course, we don't run Apache [08:08] which would kinda scupper that plan [08:09] yep but what about Tomcat [08:09] Nup, no Java [08:09] Refuse to run Java [08:09] Corporate decision [08:09] why it is very secure [08:09] Java == huge bloaty pile of shite [08:10] resource hungry, doesn't play nicely with other people [08:10] generally a bad idea on a shared hosting platform === froud throws balls of sh1t at Kinnison [08:10] Kinnison: I am talking dedicated hosting [08:10] Oh, Pepperfish is a shared hosting platform === Burgundavia wonders why he has a folder called 'windows installers' on his hdd [08:11] no way Ubuntu doc lenya could be on a shared system [08:11] We're not a colo service [08:11] Burgundavia: because you suck === Burgundavia smacks Kinnison with a trout [08:11] Burgundavia: you are crossingover, I think john edwards has been a bit to active [08:11] Burgundavia: mmmm fishy [08:11] I think I remember now [08:12] my brother wanted me to burn some stuff for his XP migration [08:12] unfortunately that migration was not to Ubuntu [08:12] anyone taken a look at longhorn [08:12] yes [08:12] it sucks balls [08:12] not sure that databse file sys is a good idea [08:12] scroll bars on menus [08:12] I don't think I really need to say more [08:13] and the new file format ala PDF [08:13] when will microsoft stop [08:13] WinFS is dead [08:13] not going to be in Longhorn [08:13] Metro? [08:13] Oh good [08:14] actually, WinFS used to be an idea called Cairo, which was to be part of 95 [08:14] Metro is shite and is hopefully dead in the water [08:14] Hows the help sys [08:14] bubles everywhere [08:14] a bit to soapy [08:15] haven't played with it that much [08:15] too many other things to do [08:15] yeah like built linux :-) [08:15] and write my talk, etc. [08:15] Oh yeah hows that going [08:15] froud, you seem to be free lately [08:16] jsgotangco: no just woke up [08:16] ahh right [08:16] was good, until I discovered today that my talk is supposed to be 1 1/2 hours, not 1/2 hour [08:16] i keep remembering the time zones [08:16] got lots of dealines [08:16] i mean i keep forgetting [08:16] well talk for 1/2 and twiddle thumbs for 1 === jsgotangco too much redbull === Burgundavia is tired, going to bed [08:17] jsgotangco: got any wings [08:17] Burgundavia: see ya [08:17] night/day all [08:17] sweet dreams [08:17] Cant believe he is actuallygoing to sleep, he never does that [08:18] Hey dudes I have braille working [08:18] but only US braille dialect [08:18] jeeze can you believe there are different dialects of braille [08:18] UK braille is not the same as US [08:19] dunno how FR and DE braille looks [08:19] so dunno how I am gonna get the loco docs transcribed to braille [08:20] think if we put up US braille docs somebody will come along and find a solution for the braille dialects? === froud did not know that so many visually impaired people use computers. It's cool. [08:21] Well meetings this morning. Love you all, c ya === froud is now known as froud-away [08:25] hmmm [08:26] that's something to consider [08:26] im going to the the other bof === jiyuu0 [~jiyuu0@219.95.215.105] has joined #ubuntu-doc === d3vic3 [~d3vic3@intern146.lnk.telstra.net] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Leaving"] === mdke [~mdke@mdke.user] has joined #ubuntu-doc === hypatia [~mary@adsl-66-203.swiftdsl.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ChrisH [~chaas@gw.workaround.org] has joined #ubuntu-doc === boglot [~logbot@gw.workaround.org] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ChrisH [~chaas@ChrisH.developer.debian] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === jsgotangco [~jsg@intern146.lnk.telstra.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === solomarv [~rouslan@terkin.graham.clarkson.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === cc [~cc@byte.fedora] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsg_ [~jsg@intern146.lnk.telstra.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === asw [~asw@node-423a728a.bos.onnet.us.uu.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === maskie [~maskie@196-30-109-203.uudial.uunet.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc === froud-away is now known as froud === froud is now known as froud-work === solomarv [~rouslan@terkin.graham.clarkson.edu] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === matt_ [~mdke@81-178-70-112.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [~jsg@intern146.lnk.telstra.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === cc [~cc@byte.fedora] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:27] hmmmm [02:29] finished the ubuntuguide.org add-on cd [02:30] now waiting for people who can host it [02:37] wow its now a CD [02:38] yub :) [02:38] hi dudes [02:38] my prob here is i can't host at my server [02:38] the bandwidth can't take it [02:39] ubuntu-5.04-add-on-2005-04-28.iso (332.1MB) [02:39] ubuntu-5.04-add-on-2005-04-28.iso.md5 (68 bytes) [02:39] what's on the cd? [02:40] everything that is mentioned in ubuntuguide.org [02:40] http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=30147 [02:40] http://www.ubuntuguide.org/temp [02:40] am checking it out [02:41] i need to get it uploaded to a server [02:41] over a 512k broadband [02:41] don't know how long going to take [02:41] *grins* [02:41] about 3 hours i guess [02:42] hope so [02:42] its that big? [02:42] WOW [02:43] juoh actually for 330 megs, probably about an hour and a half [02:43] today the're's openoffice update [02:43] that's why big [02:45] whoa i didnt know that [02:46] jiyuu0, do you reckon the guide will be in svn soon? [02:46] 8th next month i'll start workin on it [02:46] rad [02:46] i need to settle a few more things with ubuntuguide.org [02:47]