[12:00] <amichai> jordanau, thanx
[12:00] <Zerboxx> Can anyone help me in regards to hdparm.conf?
[12:00] <jackmacokc> abbot45: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=28846&highlight=transcode might help
[12:00] <abbot45> thanks
[12:00] <jackmacokc> sure
[12:01] <amichai> jordanau, i'll try default if it doesnt work i'll run it again
[12:01] <jackmacokc> let me know how that goes..i'm fixing to install that myself
[12:02] <abbot45> jackmacokc: sure
[12:02] <One> anyone know how to install enemy territory?
[12:03] <nakata> with a keyboard and mouse
[12:03] <darkaudit> One: you already have the .run file?
[12:03] <One>  yes
[12:03] <nakata> chmod +x et-linux-2.60.run.x86 (or whatever)
[12:03] <jordanau> One, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=5246&highlight=enemy+territory
[12:03] <nakata> then ./et-linux-2.60.run.x86
[12:03] <nakata> or read that, i guess
[12:04] <One> ok thanks ll
[12:04] <One> all
[12:04] <darkaudit> One: once it's made excutable, run w/ sudo... the loki-type install scripts run best that way
[12:04] <Epix> anyone here use muine?
[12:04] <Epix> and know anything about it
[12:04] <jordanau> nakata, why is it that run files always have to be chmoded
[12:05] <One> dark: made executeabke?
[12:05] <|iggy|> anyone have an ati rage with 3d working on hoary ?
[12:05] <One> dark: made executable?
[12:05] <mikerobi> when i add my windows partion to fstab, how to I give access to all users in a group?
[12:05] <nakata> jordanau: probably security reasons.
[12:05] <nakata> mikelds: in your fstab options add "gid=<group gid>"
[12:05] <nakata> for that disc
[12:06] <nakata> jordanau: in win32, any file with ext .exe or .com is executable
[12:06] <Zerboxx> Ummm what do I do if my drive wont open?
[12:06] <Zerboxx> (cd drive)
[12:06] <nakata> that's how "viruses happen (tm)"
[12:06] <nakata> Zerboxx: unmount it
[12:06] <nakata> umount /media/cdrom0
[12:06] <Zerboxx> :) command not found
[12:07] <nakata> sudo
[12:07] <Zerboxx> did that
[12:07] <nakata> check again
[12:07] <mikerobi> nakata: thanks but i allready did that, and get permission denied
[12:07] <darkaudit> One: that's the chmod +x they were talking about... it will allow you to run the file
[12:07] <nakata> it's: /bin/umount <mount path>
[12:08] <Zerboxx> oh geez, I was putting uNmount, my mistake :)
[12:08] <nakata> right-o :P
[12:08] <One> dark: it will tel me how to do that in the how to link jordan posted?
[12:08] <Zerboxx> Nakata: says it's not mounted, tried /media/cdrom0, and /dev/hda
[12:09] <nakata> Zerboxx: certain your cdrom is on hda?
[12:09] <nakata> that's your primary master disc, isn't it?
[12:10] <jordanau> One, i believe it is under permission errors
[12:10] <Zerboxx> nakata: I was pretty sure, when I -d1'd it, dvd's play smoother
[12:10] <nakata> euh
[12:10] <nakata> well, if you're sure it's not mounted then, i suggest a paperclip in the 'force eject' hole on the front
[12:11] <nakata> but i doubt it's actually unmounted
[12:11] <nakata> fwiw
[12:11] <Zerboxx> nakata: Ok, I'll try that after a restart
[12:11] <Zerboxx> nakata: thanks :)
[12:11] <darkaudit> sudo eject
[12:11] <nakata> hehe
[12:12] <nakata> yukkuri!
[12:13] <Zerboxx> nakata: restarted, and it's as good as new :)
[12:14] <nakata> neato
[12:14] <mikerobi> nakata: I had alreadly set the gid for my windows partition, but I get permission denied
[12:16] <flodine> little help guys
[12:17] <flodine> when go to my synaptic i get an error.........E: Invalid record in the preferences file, no Package header
[12:17] <flodine> why is this
[12:18] <flodine> well anyone
[12:18] <flodine> help
[12:18] <flodine> hello
[12:18] <amichai> can anyone here help me with my ati drivers? i'm missing one thing
[12:18] <flodine> wake up guys
[12:19] <amichai> flodine, what u need man?
[12:19] <xMaximex> should i install nvidia driver from nvidia or with apt-get ?
[12:20] <Chipzz> xMaximex: apt-get. definately
[12:20] <flodine> i get an error
[12:20] <flodine> when go to my synaptic i get an error.........E: Invalid record in the preferences file, no Package header
[12:20] <One> ok so i tried the how to  on installing et, but it says no such file or directory. is there some sort of update command that i have to issu first ?
[12:21] <amichai> flodine, sorry man
[12:21] <flodine> sorry for what
[12:22] <yahalom> flodine, i dont know how to help y
[12:22] <flodine> i dont know what happen
[12:24] <flodine> that name ikaro is that the fluxmaster
[12:24] <blueyed> Anyone aware of ifrename? While booting it returns "Warning: Interface name is `eth0' at line 2, can't be mapped reliably." and the network card does not get mapped.
[12:25] <steved> flodline: have you edited your apt prefernces file lately ?
[12:25] <blueyed> I'll have to manually do pppoeconf everytime after boot.. (^^)
[12:25] <com64> hi i have davicom ethernet 9102/a and adsl modem connection ... but could not connect internet from ubuntu is there any1 have experiance with adsl modems with ethernet ... actually cant getting modem setup page from browser ?
[12:25] <flodine> yeah
[12:25] <flodine> steved
[12:25] <One> ok so i tried the how to  on installing et, but it says no such file or directory. is there some sort of update command that i have to issu first ?
[12:25] <blueyed> com64, have you done pppoeconf?
[12:25] <com64> ok
[12:25] <steved> flodline: read this :) http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/synaptic-devel/2003-05/msg00022.html
[12:26] <com64> sorry just tryed fhclient at eth0
[12:26] <com64> and in device config have davicom i mean my ethernet card is fully working ... but cant getting any ip ...
[12:26] <blueyed> fhclient?
[12:26] <oasiao> how do u use your firewall on ubuntu
[12:26] <com64> tryed also giving ips from terminal with ifconfig
[12:26] <blueyed> oasiao, I use guarddog
[12:26] <com64> dhclient i mean
[12:27] <blueyed> com64, have you run pppoeconfig?
[12:28] <com64> i will but cant getting terminal screen anymore ... it was working but now just it says its starting and nothing else ...
[12:28] <com64> if its not work with pppoeconfig what should i try next cos i tryed all things too ...
[12:29] <blueyed> com64, pppoeconf should work.. :)
[12:29] <com64> ok if not ?
[12:29] <blueyed> no idea.. :)
[12:29] <com64> ok thanks
[12:31] <One> ok so i tried the how to  on installing et, but it says no such file or directory. is there some sort of update command that i have to issu first ?
[12:32] <amichai> anyone know the fglrx?
[12:32] <amichai> jordanau, can u help me?
[12:32] <Burgundavia> amichai, what is the issue?
[12:33] <amichai> Burgundavia, can u look at my xorg.conf and tell me why my fgrlx doesnt work. i did everything. there is one thing missing not sure what. it usually works, fresh install.
[12:33] <amichai> Burgundavia, i built the modules, i did fglrxconfig, i still get 600 fPS
[12:33] <net_benjo> hello everyone...I'm curious...should I install hoary hedgehog from scratch or should I just change my sources.lst to have only hoary repositories and use apt-get upgrade ?? i hope thats clear
[12:33] <amichai> Burgundavia, and ati isnt my gl
[12:33] <Burgundavia> amichai, first of all, you don't need to build the modules
[12:34] <spine> does anyone play around with crossfire?
[12:34] <One> is there a chanel i can go to get help installing applications?
[12:34] <Burgundavia> amichai, and do you have an nforce2 board?
[12:34] <Burgundavia> One, this one
[12:34] <spine> I have a question about the server
[12:34] <Burgundavia> One, which app?
[12:34] <One> enemy territory
[12:34] <amichai> Burgundavia, dont think so.
[12:34] <amichai> Burgundavia, not sure
[12:34] <Burgundavia> amichai, ok what is your board?
[12:34] <Burgundavia> amichai, your motherboard I mean
[12:34] <amichai> Burgundavia, i've onyl got it to work through building the modules
[12:34] <amichai> Burgundavia, gigabyte
[12:35] <Burgundavia> amichai, what model number?
[12:35] <amichai> Burgundavia, k7
[12:35] <Burgundavia> amichai, which one specifically?
[12:35] <amichai> Burgundavia, k7 triton
[12:35] <One> burg, i tried /et-linux-2.56-2.x86.run but it says no such file or directory
[12:35] <Burgundavia> One, hmm, no idea, sorry
[12:36] <Burgundavia> amichai, you do have an nforce2 chipset motherboard
[12:36] <amichai> Burgundavia, i think so
[12:36] <Burgundavia> amichai, so you need to do 2 things. 1: install the default restricted modules out of the repos
[12:36] <amichai> Burgundavia, i know my sound is nforce
[12:36] <Burgundavia> 2: edit your xorg.conf with one line
[12:37] <Burgundavia> add '   *Option "UseInternalAGPGART" "no" to the device section
[12:37] <Burgundavia> then reboot
[12:37] <amichai> Burgundavia, i already have that
[12:37] <Burgundavia> amichai, can you /query me with your xorg.conf?
[12:38] <amichai> Burgundavia, ok
[12:38] <tombs> hi ppl
[12:38] <Burgundavia> salut tombs
[12:40] <cens0red> good moaning.
[12:41] <guruff> lo
[12:41] <amichai> Burgundavia, find anything?
[12:41] <Burgundavia> amichai, still scrolling through
[12:41] <Burgundavia> irc is slow for that
[12:41] <guruff> what can i use to talk + video linux <->win32 ? except for gnomemeeting ?
[12:42] <amichai> Burgundavia, cool )
[12:42] <Burgundavia> amichai, can you post everything after Section "Device" again?
[12:42] <Burgundavia> amichai, seems to have stopped
[12:44] <amichai> Burgundavia, can i use pastebin.com
[12:44] <amichai> ?
[12:45] <Burgundavia> amichai, sure
[12:47] <amichai> Burgundavia, xor.0.log http://pastebin.com/276919
[12:48] <amichai> Burgundavia, xorg http://pastebin.com/276918
[12:51] <amichai> Burgundavia, so its that i forgot to change the name?
[12:51] <Burgundavia> amichai, you are still using free drivers
[12:51] <Burgundavia> not binary ones
[12:52] <amichai> Burgundavia, directly from ati, why?
[12:53] <amichai> Burgundavia, is there a better way?
[12:53] <Burgundavia> driver "ati" is not the binary ati drivers
[12:53] <Burgundavia> amichai, did you read www.ubuntu.com/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto ?
[12:54] <amichai> Burgundavia, no
[12:54] <Burgundavia> amichai, good walkthrough
[12:55] <jcurry> i just installed ubuntu on a computer on my network...which is set up to populate the local dns server with hostname set over dhcp...it's dynamic dns...but ubuntu doesn't send the hostname whatever i try...any ideas?
[12:57] <Zerboxx> It's happened again, I can't eject my cd
[12:57] <amichai> Burgundavia, it should work now?
[12:58] <Burgundavia> amichai, if you changed as I said and rebooted, then it should work
[12:58] <danko123456> hi, so how is Linux for digi camera support?
[12:58] <Burgundavia> danko123456, pretty good
[12:58] <danko123456> really?
[12:58] <seeeS> hows UDU going lamont?
[12:58] <Burgundavia> you should just be able to plug it in
[12:58] <Quest-Master> danko123456: Perfect, at least for me ;)
[12:58] <Burgundavia> if you can't it is a bug
[12:59] <danko123456> so I PNP my camera, and maybe it will work?
[12:59] <lamont_r> seeeS: going well, I think
[12:59] <lamont_r> busy, of course.
[12:59] <Burgundavia> DanglyBits, as above
[12:59] <Burgundavia> make taht danko123456
[12:59] <Nostromo^> i have dpms enabled in xorg.conf and gnome keeps disabling it. how do i make gnome simply ignore my dpms settings?
[12:59] <seeeS> lamont_r: oh you're not there ATM?
[12:59] <lamont_r> seeeS: sitting in the front of the main room
[01:00] <seeeS> lamont_r: i was supposed to be there now but got caught up at work
[01:00] <danko123456> wow...well, mine is a pretty new one, so it may not work...lets see now...
[01:00] <jcurry> anyone have any idea about my problem> i have tried adding 'hostname ubuntu' to /etc/network/interfaces, but it didn't help
[01:00] <lamont_r> seeeS: gonna make it sometime today?
[01:00] <arkainium> are long host lookup times because of ipv6?
[01:00] <danko123456> its straight outta Nikon factories:)
[01:00] <Quest-Master> danko123456: New ones have a higher chance of working, since older cameras sometimes need special drivers
[01:00] <danko123456> w
[01:00] <seeeS> lamont_r: well, im not registered or anything
[01:00] <danko123456> wow
[01:01] <danko123456> its all there:)
[01:01] <Quest-Master> danko123456: ;)
[01:01] <danko123456> its almost like it recognizes the USB storage, like windows...
[01:01] <leitao_> please, my nf2 audio is not working. does anyone could me give a help?  is there any pre compiled module?
[01:01] <Burgundavia> leitao_, nforce2 audio?
[01:01] <danko123456> how do you think it has the driver for such a device?
[01:02] <Burgundavia> danko123456, because linux devs are smart and they have cameras as well
[01:02] <leitao_> Burgundavia : yes
[01:02] <danko123456> hehe
[01:02] <Burgundavia> leitao_, should just work
[01:02] <danko123456> no...its cause its technology.
[01:02] <leitao_> no way..
[01:02] <Burgundavia> leitao_, you running hoary?
[01:02] <leitao_> warty
[01:02] <goodtod> is there a network install?
[01:02] <looksaus> is it normal that in cloning mode, glxgears drops from about 600 fps to about 80?
[01:03] <looksaus> I'm trying to watch a DVD on the external screen attached to my notebook
[01:03] <Burgundavia> leitao_, there was some issues with warty that I had. Hoary it just works
[01:03] <Burgundavia> leitao_, I would upgrade as Hoary is now stable
[01:03] <danko123456> ./media/usbdisk/dcim//100nikon
[01:03] <looksaus> but it proves really difficult to get something sensible out of it
[01:03] <danko123456> thats where it has it.
[01:03] <darmou> has anyone here used the zope2.7 package?
[01:03] <danko123456> it is prob that the technology has a standard interface.
[01:03] <leitao_> Burgundavia : how could i upgrade remotely?
[01:03] <SaMRoX> Why since I updated to Hoary my NumKeypad doesn't work??
[01:03] <Burgundavia> leitao_, if you have ssh access yep
[01:04] <ajmitch_> darmou: yes, I have
[01:04] <danko123456> probably not a driver for the specific device...
[01:04] <danko123456> I mean, I could jsut be babbling here, too.
[01:04] <danko123456> :P)
[01:04] <leitao_> Burgundavia : ssh access? where?
[01:04] <darmou> ajmitch_ I'm having problems installing it, it keeps coming up with error return outside function and does not configue properly in hoary
[01:04] <Burgundavia> leitao_, are you sitting at your warty machine right now?
[01:04] <transgress> how hard is it to set up lvm at install time with ubuntu?
[01:05] <ajmitch_> darmou: at what point?
[01:05] <leitao_> Burgundavia : sure
[01:05] <leitao_> :-)
[01:05] <Burgundavia> leitao_, then change your apt sources from warty to hoary and apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:05] <darmou> ajmitch_ when it is compiling the zope python scripts on install
[01:05] <leitao_> Burgundavia : easy! i'll do it now! thxs
[01:05] <Burgundavia> leitao_, make certain you instlal ubuntu-desktop at the same time (this was removed in warty if you installed totem-xine)
[01:06] <danko123456> Burgundavia: make sure he cleans out his sources too
[01:06] <leitao_> Burgundavia : ok
[01:06] <danko123456> Cause it will not work prop maybe.
[01:06] <amichai> Burgundavia, thanx man
[01:06] <darmou> SyntaxError: 'return' outside function
[01:06] <Burgundavia> leitao_, can you /query me your sources.list ?
[01:06] <Burgundavia> amichai, np
[01:06] <darmou> is the error
[01:06] <nettolt> irc://irc.freenode.net/#winehq
[01:07] <darmou> not sure if I can get ubuntu to ignore the errors
[01:07] <leitao_> Burgundavia : sure
[01:07] <danko123456> Burgundavia: HE CAn maybe use the ubuntuguide sources.list?
[01:07] <Burgundavia> danko123456, not recommended
[01:07] <danko123456> no, eh?
[01:07] <ajmitch_> darmou: yes, but what file?
[01:08] <danko123456> even the marillat ones can be bad?
[01:08] <Burgundavia> danko123456, too many nerim.net repos. You only need one (testing)
[01:08] <leitao_> Burgundavia : http://rafb.net/paste/results/Eewghw88.html
[01:08] <leitao_> Burgundavia : i ever did the cnahge
[01:08] <danko123456> oh, ok.
[01:08] <darmou> lots of files like this one: /usr/lib/zope2.7/lib/python/Products/PloneSiteMap/skins/PloneSiteMap/getSiteMap.py
[01:08] <Burgundavia> leitao_, remove unstable and stable from the nerim.net repos
[01:08] <Burgundavia> leitao_, you don't need them
[01:08] <danko123456> Burgundavia: I first used the ones with backports and everything the first time I upgraded.
[01:08] <leitao_> Burgundavia : i will. why didnt i need it?
[01:09] <danko123456> not a good thing to do.
[01:09] <danko123456> just for the upgrade, leitao_
[01:09] <leitao_> danko123456 : ok..
[01:09] <Burgundavia> leitao_, testing is the newest distro, so stable and unstable are obsolete
[01:09] <Burgundavia> s/distro/release
[01:09] <danko123456> I think its cause some packages are not to be upgraded...or sthg.
[01:09] <danko123456> or what he said.
[01:10] <danko123456> she?
[01:10] <SaMRoX> Hey, for running anything in fluxbox (or blackbox) I have allways to open a terminal?
[01:10] <danko123456> doubt it
[01:10] <Burgundavia> also, there is no amd64 packages in stable or unstable
[01:10] <danko123456> SaMRoX: yup
[01:10] <Burgundavia> danko123456, he
[01:10] <danko123456> or you can customize the environment.
[01:10] <Quest-Master> SaMRoX: No, just right click on the desktop
[01:10] <danko123456> and its gonna offer him what5?
[01:10] <SaMRoX> danko123456, that suxs :S isnt a way to add icons or something?
[01:10] <ekinox> asd
[01:10] <Burgundavia> danko123456, but my name can be either
[01:10] <danko123456> an xterm...
[01:10] <danko123456> shure
[01:10] <SaMRoX> how?
[01:11] <SaMRoX> I cant find any configuration panel or something :s
[01:11] <danko123456> I think in your synaptic there should be packages;''
[01:11] <amichai> still not working
[01:11] <danko123456> I dont really know how to use it.
[01:11] <K_Dallas> Hi guys! I remember having read somewhere on the Ubuntu guide, official or unofficial about the problem with the X in the middle of screen and how to solve it. Now that I am looking for it, I cannot find it. Anyone could please help me? thanks
[01:12] <danko123456> But, if you want a panel, and evetrything, just use gnome.
[01:12] <SaMRoX> Ok, il check synaptic
[01:12] <SaMRoX> Its becouse I have a pretty slow machine :p
[01:12] <danko123456> K_Dallas: is this the small screen size,?
[01:12] <danko123456> Oh, yeah...
[01:12] <leitao_> what is the launch pad?
[01:12] <danko123456> use the term, if you cant find other stuff.
[01:12] <SaMRoX> ok thx
[01:12] <SaMRoX> one more thing..
[01:12] <K_Dallas> danko123456, it is a small cross in the middle of screen when i move a terminal over it it disappears
[01:12] <SaMRoX> Why since I updated to Hoary my NumKeypad doesn't work??
[01:13] <Burgundavia> leitao_, a suite of web apps. bug tracker, etc.
[01:13] <Burgundavia> leitao_, developed by canonical
[01:13] <danko123456> weird, K_Dallas
[01:13] <danko123456> no, havent heard of that myself.
[01:13] <Nostromo^> how do i force gnome not to load xscreensaver?
[01:13] <K_Dallas> well i had the problem in debian and ubuntu but found a solution on ubuntu site now i cannot find it anymore :(
[01:13] <danko123456> launch pad at ubuntulinux.org?
[01:13] <Burgundavia> Nostromo^, turn it off?
[01:13] <Thorrn4> hello!! I have a little bit of a problem, when I tried to listen to stream music from a site, Sirius.com, is says that Mozilla Firefox is missing an extention or file...does any1 kno how 2 fix this?
[01:13] <danko123456> then you are sure to find it again.
[01:13] <^thehatsrule^> check the startup daemons
[01:14] <amichai> Burgundavia, it still doesnt work
[01:14] <Burgundavia> amichai, argh!
[01:14] <K_Dallas> ;) googling for it
[01:14] <Nostromo^> Burgundavia, i can turn it off. im asking where do i tell gnome not to load it in the first place.
[01:14] <leitao_> Burgundavia : is there anything like this today?
[01:14] <amichai> i dont get it, look: direct rendering: No
[01:14] <amichai>     GLX_ATI_render_texture
[01:14] <amichai> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
[01:14] <Burgundavia> amichai, can you confirm that you followed all the advice on that wiki page
[01:14] <Burgundavia> Nostromo^, somewhere in the default session. I forget where gnome stores that
[01:15] <JaGWiRE```> OMGWTFBBBQ
[01:15] <Burgundavia> leitao_, malone is already tracking universe bugs
[01:15] <JaGWiRE```> OMG!!
[01:15] <K_Dallas> i was actually very happy to see ubuntu guys had addressed the issue as i never was able to solve it under debian no matter where i looked or whom i asked
[01:15] <JaGWiRE```> -19:01:19-  URL http://www.linux.slashdot.org/linux/05/04/27/1836227.shtml?tid=189&tid=190&tid=106
[01:15] <leitao_> Burgundavia : thx
[01:15] <JaGWiRE```> WTF!!!!
[01:15] <amichai> Burgundavia, i did that once and didnt work for me, so i did it through downloading it from ati and it worked the last 5 times
[01:15] <Nostromo^> Burgundavia, alrighty, thanks.
[01:15] <Burgundavia> leitao_, https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/distros/ubuntu/+bugs
[01:15] <JaGWiRE```> GENTOO LINUX GUI INSTALLER?
[01:15] <JaGWiRE```> IMPOSSIBLE!!!
[01:15] <danko123456> JaGWiRE```: you ok?
[01:15] <danko123456> haha
[01:15] <JaGWiRE```> danko123456: i just had a mini haert attack
[01:15] <JaGWiRE```> sorry
[01:15] <leitao_> Burgundavia : ill see
[01:15] <nakata> does it have a phat wing on the back?
[01:15] <Burgundavia> JaGWiRE```, this is #ubuntu, not #gentoo
[01:15] <JaGWiRE```> lol
[01:15] <JaGWiRE```> they are copying ubuntus installer
[01:15] <K_Dallas> :)
[01:15] <JaGWiRE```> hence why I put it here
[01:15] <nakata> and a green glow on the bottom?
[01:15] <JaGWiRE```> look at there link.. it is such a copy =D
[01:16] <danko123456> are you ok, though?
[01:16] <danko123456> whats a link to the picture itself?
[01:16] <danko123456> that page has a dead link/
[01:17] <Wammy> anyone have anything relevant to setting up a linksys wireless card?
[01:18] <Burgundavia> Wammy, different cards have different chipsets. I suggest you google your specific one
[01:18] <danko123456> ./etc/network/interfaces/
[01:18] <danko123456> setting up for what?
[01:18] <Wammy> well in lspci it shows up as an unknown ethernet adapter
[01:18] <Burgundavia> some cards need ndiswrapper, some have native drivers
[01:18] <shale> does anyone know if counter-strike has a linux version?
[01:18] <Burgundavia> shale, no
[01:18] <shale> bummer
[01:19] <Burgundavia> shale, as there is no HL for linux
[01:19] <Burgundavia> apparently cedega does an alright job
[01:19] <dockane> shale, no i do not know and it wouldn't be one worth
[01:19] <shale> what cool games are available for linux?
[01:19] <dockane> ;)
[01:19] <Burgundavia> shale, check out glest
[01:19] <moomin> freeciv
[01:19] <moomin> gltron
[01:19] <JaGWiRE```> Damn.. that links dead now
[01:19] <Burgundavia> shale, or wesnoth
[01:19] <JaGWiRE```> The dude said "Sorry slashdottesr.. I don't wanna test the servers capabilities"
[01:19] <JaGWiRE```> :P
[01:19] <danko123456> tetris?
[01:19] <Burgundavia> shale, glest is warcraft 2, GPL style
[01:19] <amichai> Burgundavia, apt get what? what is the fgrlx i need to apt-get?
[01:19] <danko123456> JaGWiRE```: so....
[01:19] <Burgundavia> make that warcraft 3
[01:19] <leitao_> Burgundavia : launch pad seems something like bug tracking...
[01:19] <danko123456> JaGWiRE```: where is his screenshot?
[01:20] <angryfetus> in ubuntu, how do i get check to see how much RAM i have?
[01:20] <Burgundavia> leitao_, that is one component
[01:20] <shale> are there apt packs of those or do i get 'em manually
[01:20] <Burgundavia> shale, wesnoth and freeciv are in the repos
[01:20] <Burgundavia> shale,  glest has a repo 'deb http://apt.linex.org/ cl juegalinex'
[01:20] <shale> freeciv is cool but i'm looking for stuff that'll run my 3d hardware
[01:20] <Burgundavia> shale, glest is 3d
[01:21] <Freedomzen> shale: ET
[01:21] <shale> i'll check it out
[01:21] <Freedomzen> ?
[01:21] <Burgundavia> shale, also try cube, which is a fps, in the repos
[01:21] <danko123456> JaGWiRE```: is this whole thing about gentoo having a ncurses frontend to the installation, or because it is the same as Ubuntu/Debian one?
[01:21] <shale> ET?
[01:21] <Wammy> how do i find if there is a native driver? or if i need ndiswrapper?
[01:21] <Freedomzen> enemy territory
[01:21] <Burgundavia> shale, enemy territory
[01:21] <josh__> i am having great trouble installing applications
[01:21] <sock> QUESTION:  What do i check the amount of RAM i have?
[01:21] <Burgundavia> Wammy, google your specific card
[01:21] <JaGWiRE```> I was just informed there is vida linux that exists thats gentoo + gui installer too.
[01:21] <masterloki> anyone know if break my ubuntu wiki is up2date
[01:21] <shale> ok thanks i'll check those out - thanks
[01:21] <Burgundavia> josh__, what sort of trouble?
[01:21] <JaGWiRE```> Mm danko.
[01:21] <Burgundavia> masterloki, ubuntu uses apt-get
[01:21] <JaGWiRE```> In the ss's, I saw what looked just like ubuntus.
[01:21] <JaGWiRE```> The same blue screen, etc.
[01:21] <josh__> i tried this ./et-linux-2.55.x86.run but it just says no such file or directory
[01:21] <Wammy> Burgundavia: what info on the card do i need?
[01:22] <Burgundavia> Wammy, the card model
[01:22] <Wammy> ok.
[01:22] <masterloki> i wanna break the repos file
[01:22] <danko123456> sock: go System, Administtration, Device Manager
[01:22] <Burgundavia> Wammy, ie. I have a dlink 650+
[01:22] <danko123456> In there, there will be memory modules...
[01:22] <Burgundavia> masterloki, huh?
[01:22] <Freedomzen> josh__: try chmod a+x ./et-blah.run
[01:22] <danko123456> dont you now how much ram you ahve?
[01:22] <Freedomzen> then try to run it
[01:22] <masterloki> yes install ee mplayer mono etc with apt
[01:22] <blueschoolfox> hahaha
[01:22] <josh__> burg, thx ill try it
[01:22] <Wammy> ok, getting the model #
[01:22] <Burgundavia> masterloki, up2date is for Redhat systems
[01:23] <blueschoolfox> I put geOShell on the computer here at class
[01:23] <masterloki> har just kidding with that
[01:23] <masterloki> i got hoary
[01:23] <Burgundavia> leitao_, fun eh?
[01:23] <sock> danko123456: ty
[01:23] <Burgundavia> leitao_, wait until you track the dev version and there are 3 versions of X in 3 days
[01:23] <leitao_> Burgundavia : humm fun!?
[01:23] <masterloki> and with warty there was a breakmyubuntu wiku
[01:23] <danko123456> sock: yup
[01:23] <josh__> burg, i tried it and nothing happened
[01:23] <masterloki> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BreakMyUbuntu
[01:23] <Burgundavia> masterloki, what specifically are you trying to do?
[01:24] <masterloki> add some more repos to sources.list
[01:24] <Wammy> Burgundavia: ok its the linksys WMP11
[01:24] <Burgundavia> masterloki, to install what?
[01:24] <blueschoolfox> and nvu (we need nvu in ubuntu btw) and gaim and gimp and firefox and thunderbird and ethereal
[01:24] <Burgundavia> Wammy, then google that and see if it needs 'ndiswrapper'
[01:24] <sock> another RAM question:  i just installed a new stick of ram, other than it being bad, could there be any other problems why its not coming up (in both windows and ubuntu)
[01:24] <masterloki> Mplayer ee mono bitchX gxmame
[01:24] <Burgundavia> sock, the bios may not see it
[01:24] <danko123456> non-compatible sticks...
[01:24] <Burgundavia> sock, you have installed it incorrectly
[01:24] <masterloki> among others
[01:25] <sock> no its compatible
[01:25] <sock> and its in correctly
[01:25] <danko123456> some boards work with some ram
[01:25] <sock> im sure of it
[01:25] <sock> hmm
[01:25] <sock> ECC?
[01:25] <Burgundavia> masterloki, mono is in hoary and so it mplayer
[01:25] <danko123456> does it work in windows?
[01:25] <danko123456> I mean...
[01:25] <danko123456> the BIOS would reasd
[01:25] <masterloki> hell i didn't notice
[01:25] <Burgundavia> masterloki, all you need is the standard sources and the marilliat repo
[01:25] <masterloki> Ok
[01:25] <sock> no it doesnt work in windows
[01:25] <masterloki> thanks
[01:25] <danko123456> it before it ever got to a boot loader
[01:25] <sock> i tried it in both slots
[01:25] <blueschoolfox> Burgundavia:  hey what's up?  :p
[01:26] <Burgundavia> masterloki, if you can't find the stuff after you add marilliat, then we can talk
[01:26] <danko123456> does it count it at startup?
[01:26] <Burgundavia> blueschoolfox, not much
[01:26] <danko123456> I mean, it is not working obviously, if you are sure that it is a compatible stick with the one you have there.
[01:26] <sock> yeah its compatible im sure of it
[01:26] <sock> so it must be a bad stick then?
[01:26] <danko123456> I would guess so...
[01:26] <chet_> hello, i am trying to vnc into a ultravnc server, but it says "Server supports RFB protocol version 3.6" and my client is using 3.3?
[01:27] <danko123456> I mean, I am no hardware expert...
[01:27] <danko123456> but everything so far worked...
[01:27] <danko123456> that I bought...
[01:27] <danko123456> ANy device.
[01:27] <danko123456> Or comp part.
[01:27] <shale> westnoth kinda reminds me of king's quest :)
[01:27] <shale> its cute
[01:27] <danko123456> Upgrade client, chet_?
[01:27] <Burgundavia> shale, wesnoth is probably the most active of any game in FLOSS
[01:27] <Burgundavia> shale, in terms of development
[01:28] <chet_> danko123456, i tried a few, but they all seem a bit dated?
[01:28] <shale> FLOSS ?
[01:28] <chet_> this is my second, i used xvncview and xvnc4view
[01:28] <Burgundavia> shale, free/libre open source software
[01:28] <danko123456> I have no knowledge in that area.
[01:28] <danko123456> :)
[01:28] <chet_> me either :(
[01:28] <karl> anyone got an svg plugin to work?
[01:28] <shale> ah
[01:29] <Burgundavia> chet_, http://www.realvnc.com/pipermail/vnc-list/2005-January/048935.html
[01:29] <chet_> thanks Burgundavia , looking now
[01:29] <blueschoolfox> Burgundavia: http://live.gnome.org/MemoryReduction_2fJohnEduardoEmail
[01:30] <Burgundavia> blueschoolfox, I saw that, but IANAD so I didn't really understand it
[01:30] <blueschoolfox> lol
[01:30] <blueschoolfox> D?
[01:30] <Burgundavia> developer
[01:30] <blueschoolfox> ah
[01:30] <fightingfortofu> anyone familiar with fglrxconfig? there are some options im not sure about
[01:30] <blueschoolfox> :>
[01:30] <chet_> hmm, but the vnc server is ultravnc on windows, so someone thinks MS is being shady?
[01:30] <Burgundavia> chet_, I suspect so
[01:30] <DBill1> Hi - I need to speed up my video card by setting -NoAccel=0" in XFree86Conf but i can't find the file. - I would like to know how to use "find" - can you show me the right syntax?
[01:31] <danko123456> Burgundavia: because linux devs are smart and they have cameras as well
[01:31] <danko123456> gotta love that sentence/
[01:31] <blueschoolfox> we need better wireless support
[01:31] <dockane> DBill1, try "sudo updatedb" and "locate your_file"
[01:31] <Burgundavia> blueschoolfox, talk to the manufacturers
[01:32] <DBill1> dockane - Thank You.
[01:32] <Burgundavia> DBill1, if you are using hoary, you need xorg.conf with is in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[01:32] <blueschoolfox> DBill1:  find / -name myFile\*
[01:32] <fightingfortofu> or maybe some one might know where i could go to find help with fglrxconfig?
[01:32] <danko123456> yeah, my Airport Extreme dont work either...
[01:32] <blueschoolfox> DBill1: but it's xorg.conf :)
[01:32] <danko123456> probably talk to the standards orgs, even
[01:32] <nakata> DBill1: you run xfree86?
[01:32] <nakata> DBill1: are you sure?
[01:32] <nakata> DBill1: iirc, the default X server is xorg
[01:32] <nakata> regardless, i think the syntax for find you want would be something like: find / -name XF86Config
[01:32] <Burgundavia> if you are using warty it is xfree86, which is /etc/X11/Xfree86-4
[01:32] <DBill1> uh oh - okay Ubuntu is different. - grin
[01:32] <Burgundavia> fightingfortofu, what kind of help do you need?
[01:33] <DBill1> Thanks
[01:33] <blueschoolfox> Burgundavia: XF86Config-4
[01:33] <Burgundavia> bluefoxicy, damn confusing file name
[01:33] <blueschoolfox> DBill1:  it's the same as all future distros
[01:33] <DBill1> Good to know
[01:33] <blueschoolfox> xfree is out.
[01:34] <chet_> Burgundavia, do you suspect all windows versions of vnc will do the same, or just ultravnc?
[01:34] <blueschoolfox> xorg is taking over.
[01:34] <tahorg> blueschoolfox: xfree still exists ?
[01:34] <Burgundavia> chet_, I have experience with ultravnc. I would use tight for everything that I woudl do (as it is free in all senses)
[01:34] <DBill1> xorg "Resisitance is futile.." - oops that is the "Borg"
[01:34] <fightingfortofu> burgundavia, im playing with fglrxconfig in hopes to get the tv out resolution lower, and im not sure what option i want, laptop mode, clone, or dual head
[01:34] <blueschoolfox> xfree 4.4 is not compatible with the open source definition.
[01:34] <blueschoolfox> so 4.3 and some CVS was forked.
[01:34] <chet_> Burgundavia,  i will try tightvnc, thanks
[01:35] <fightingfortofu> i want to be like the theater mode in windows, pretty much
[01:35] <fightingfortofu> but right now tv out works but the res is too high so it scrolls
[01:36] <xMaximex> how can I know what is using HD space ?
[01:36] <XtremeJim> dude.. im really a big noob on ubuntu
[01:36] <Burgundavia> xMaximex, what do you mean?
[01:36] <xMaximex> my HD is used at 99% and it's not normal ..
[01:36] <xMaximex> i want to know what is using all this space
[01:37] <|QuaD-> xMaximex: how big of a partition you hav
[01:37] <|QuaD-> e
[01:37] <xMaximex> /dev/hdb1              19G   17G  439M  98% /
[01:37] <blueschoolfox> #ubuntu:  The only child-friendly chat forum where you can discuss mounting.
[01:37] <|QuaD-> where is it mounted to?
[01:37] <|QuaD-> /dev/hda1             110G  102G  2.9G  98% /
[01:37] <Thorrn4> I have a problem with Compiling MPlayer....it said: Error: Bad gcc version
[01:38] <blueschoolfox> Thorrn4:  get a better GCC version.
[01:38] <blueschoolfox> :)
[01:38] <Burgundavia> Thorrn4, why are compiling mplayer>
[01:38] <xMaximex> |QuaD-, what ?
[01:38] <fightingfortofu> Burgundavia, any ideas?
[01:38] <dockane> blueschoolfox, my english is not ver good, what else does mountig mean ?
[01:38] <|QuaD-> xMaximex: where is it mounted to
[01:38] <Thorrn4> how does can I get it?
[01:38] <Burgundavia> fightingfortofu, sorry, never used it that way
[01:38] <fightingfortofu> :( thanks!
[01:38] <xMaximex> |QuaD-, I dont understand
[01:38] <Burgundavia> Thorrn4, apt-get install mplayer-$yourarch
[01:38] <|QuaD-> because you can do "du *mountpoint*" to figure out what is using the space
[01:39] <Thorrn4> what is "$yourarch"?
[01:39] <blueschoolfox> dockane:  Sexual intercourse like two dogs do it.
[01:39] <xMaximex> ok ok
[01:39] <xMaximex> it's mounter on /
[01:39] <|QuaD-> xMaximex: no it isn't
[01:39] <danko123456> dockane: you mount a hard disk onto a directory.
[01:39] <xMaximex> yes it is
[01:39] <danko123456> you mount a cd onto a directory.
[01:39] <|QuaD-> xMaximex: it is your root partition?
[01:39] <xMaximex> |QuaD-, yes
[01:39] <homer`> i need to get rid of some of these cds
[01:39] <eruin> mounting also has something to do with sex
[01:40] <homer`> i got 466 on the mail
[01:40] <eruin> oh, I'm late
[01:40] <eruin> :/
[01:40] <|QuaD-> ok, then try that
[01:40] <blueschoolfox> eruin:  I just said that :)
[01:40] <blueschoolfox> eruin:  in gooey detail
[01:40] <eruin> I'll add "men seldom enjoy being mounted"
[01:40] <blueschoolfox> eruin: touch; mount; gasp; yes; more
[01:40] <danko123456> dude
[01:40] <dockane> bluefoxicy, danko123456, thnx for clarification =)
[01:40] <eruin> hah
[01:41] <Thorrn4> The MPlayer packet was not found:roger@dynamo:~$ sudo apt-get install mplayer-1.0pre7
[01:41] <Thorrn4> Password:
[01:41] <Thorrn4> Reading package lists... Done
[01:41] <Thorrn4> Building dependency tree... Done
[01:41] <Thorrn4> E: Couldn't find package mplayer-1.0pre7
[01:41] <danko123456> it is like, mounting a thing onto its stand...
[01:41] <Thorrn4> roger@dynamo:~$
[01:41] <blueschoolfox> Thorrn4:  just mplayer
[01:41] <danko123456> Thorrn4: ...
[01:41] <Thorrn4> oh...ok then
[01:41] <eruin> o.O
[01:41] <danko123456> are you apt-getting MPlayer?
[01:41] <danko123456> o_O
[01:41] <blueschoolfox> actually
[01:42] <blueschoolfox> synaptic or dselect are both better than apt-get o.o
[01:42] <blueschoolfox> since you can search!  :)
[01:42] <danko123456> Thorrn4: are you apt-getting MPlayer?
[01:43] <danko123456> apt-cache search Mplayer*
[01:43] <dockane> blueschoolfox, what about "apt-cache search" ?
[01:43] <danko123456> capital P
[01:43] <Thorrn4> Im trying to apt-get it
[01:43] <Thorrn4> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[01:43] <Thorrn4>   mplayer-386: Depends: libavcodeccvs (>= 2:20050417-0.0) but it is not going to be installed
[01:43] <Thorrn4>                Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21) but 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13 is to be installed
[01:43] <Thorrn4>                Depends: libfontconfig1 (>= 2.3.0) but 2.2.3-4ubuntu7 is to be installed
[01:43] <Thorrn4>                Depends: libpostproc0 (>= 2:20050417-0.0) but it is not going to be installed
[01:43] <Thorrn4>                Depends: libvorbis0a (>= 1.1.0) but 1.0.1-1 is to be installed
[01:43] <Thorrn4>                Depends: libxvidcore4 (>= 1:1.0.0-0.0) but it is not going to be installed
[01:43] <danko123456> why
[01:43] <Thorrn4>                Depends: xmms (>= 1.2.10+cvs20050209) but it is not going to be installed
[01:43] <Thorrn4> E: Broken packages
[01:43] <Thorrn4> there is an error
[01:43] <danko123456> why are you apt-getting it?
[01:43] <xMaximex> can i tell du to only show file and dir bigger than *K?
[01:43] <danko123456> is that known to work?
[01:43] <danko123456> Thorrn4: ill give you instructions on installing MPlayer...
[01:43] <blueschoolfox> Thorrn4:  use synaptic, configure your repositories for universe and multiverse
[01:44] <blueschoolfox> Thorrn4:  then try
[01:44] <danko123456> http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[01:44] <danko123456> http://ubuntuguide.org/#mplayer
[01:44] <Thorrn4> I did the repositories thing and added new ones....I forget who helped me though
[01:44] <danko123456> install the multimedia codecs...
[01:45] <DBill1> Hm - nothing like "NoAccel" in xorg. - glxgears shows my video card can do 190 FPS - do i need another video driver?
[01:45] <danko123456> but, I never got MPlayer to work from apt-get
[01:45] <danko123456> I have a diff method, that worked in Warty, but didnt in Hoary
[01:45] <shale> i'm trying to get glest to run but i get this:
[01:45] <shale> Exception: You system has opengl version '1.2 (1.5 Mesa 6.2.1)'.
[01:45] <shale> Glest needs at least version 1.3 to work.
[01:45] <shale> You may solve this problem by installing your latest video card drivers
[01:45] <danko123456> You add all the lib-devs, and then you compile the MPlayer from mplayerhq.hu
[01:46] <shale> anyone know where i can get those for a dell d610 w/ ati mobility chipset/
[01:46] <shale> ?
[01:46] <com64> hi have adsl modem connecting with ethernet  but could not configure it in windows is there any1 have experience on that tryed pppoeconfig too and it said check your cables etc. ... loved ubuntu but without connection its bothering me ...
[01:46] <blueschoolfox> shale:  radeon driver.
[01:46] <blueschoolfox> shale:  flglx or something.
[01:47] <shale> knwo where i can get taht?
[01:47] <shale> sheesh, spelling
[01:47] <danko123456> (18:01:52) ***tombs is away: Estou ocupado
[01:47] <spiderworm> shale: where did you get glest for ubuntu?
[01:48] <shale> from its repository
[01:48] <Burgundavia> spiderworm, there is a repo
[01:48] <amichai> ok i have no sound
[01:48] <amichai> can someone help me?
[01:48] <Burgundavia> shale, you want to give it to him, I have lost is past scrollback
[01:48] <transgress> amichai: need more info... such as sound card type and whatnot...
[01:48] <spiderworm> shale: yes please :)
[01:49] <transgress> amichai: and have you tried unmuting it?
[01:49] <shale> roger, hold on
[01:49] <amichai> transgress, i had system sounds, so i turned them off and did killall esd
[01:49] <shale> deb http://apt.linex.org/ cl juegalinex
[01:49] <tombs> danko123456: ??
[01:49] <danko123456> not much
[01:49] <Burgundavia> shale, spiderworm I should be able to get this into breezy
[01:49] <amichai> transgress,sto;; have no sound, switched to alsa, still
[01:49] <amichai> transgress, it worked a minute ago
[01:49] <Burgundavia> amichai, should be esd
[01:50] <danko123456> whats that upgrade page for Hoary
[01:50] <amichai> ok its just xmms that does work
[01:50] <amichai> mplayer works
[01:50] <Wammy> does ubuntu provide ndiswrapper as a .deb package?
[01:51] <shale> what is 'breezy' ?
[01:51] <danko123456> next Ubuntu version
[01:51] <danko123456> warty, hoary, breezy
[01:51] <crimsun> amichai: which plugin is xmms configured to use?
[01:51] <amichai> Burgundavia, i switched back to esd and it froze
[01:51] <danko123456> The BadgerC:)
[01:51] <amichai> crimsun, esd
[01:52] <crimsun> amichai: if esd isn't running, then you can't use the esound plugin for xmms
[01:52] <crimsun> amichai: in that case, you need to use either the alsa or the oss output plugin for xmms
[01:52] <amichai> crimsun, i just switched back to esd
[01:52] <shale> ahhh right breezy bulldog or somethign like that :)
[01:52] <danko123456> amichai: esound ?
[01:52] <tbird> Breezy Badge
[01:52] <danko123456> doesnt work?
[01:52] <tbird> r
[01:52] <crimsun> amichai: if ,,pgrep esd'' returns nothing, then esd isn't running, and you'll need to change the output plugin that xmms uses
[01:53] <danko123456> in options>preferences, amichai
[01:53] <danko123456> audio I/O tab
[01:53] <kbrooks> shebang! does ubuntu still ship cds for ffree
[01:53] <amichai> crimsun, i switched to esd but grep esd showed nothing
[01:53] <danko123456> yeash
[01:53] <XandriX> yup
[01:53] <danko123456> kbrooks: yes
[01:53] <kbrooks> we2by I didn't know ubuntu ship free cd's
[01:53] <crimsun> amichai: you killed it before, remember?
[01:53] <kbrooks> UdontKnow we2by: old news
[01:54] <danko123456> http://shipit.ubuntulinux.org/
[01:54] <amichai> crimsun, ok i switched everything to alsa that works
[01:54] <amichai> crimsun, esd doesnt though is that ok?
[01:54] <spiderworm> shale: looks like they dont have it for 64 bit on there.  any ideas how I would get the 32 bit?
[01:54] <amichai> danko123456, thanx
[01:54] <danko123456> amichai: if it works...
[01:55] <shale> spiderworm, of glest?
[01:55] <blueschoolfox> shipit never ships to me
[01:55] <danko123456> thats the one you have, I would guess.
[01:55] <amichai> is esd better though?
[01:55] <blueschoolfox> 0 reliability
[01:55] <danko123456> why not, blueschoolfox?
[01:55] <blueschoolfox> I ordered wart cds and don't have them
[01:55] <spiderworm> shale: yeah
[01:55] <blueschoolfox> so I ordered hoary CDs 7 months later
[01:55] <crimsun> amichai: that's correct. You killed esd before, so esd isn't running, therefore you can't use xmms's esound output.
[01:55] <_adw_> hi, awkward problem here, i use wings3d, and the alt key in combination with left mouse, controls the camera
[01:55] <_adw_> but, alt key in ubuntu moves windows
[01:55] <_adw_> how do i change this?
[01:55] <danko123456> I think its just the one your comp has...amichai
[01:55] <danko123456> _adw_: what?
[01:56] <blueschoolfox> I need to order 1000 CDs
[01:56] <danko123456> alt+which key?
[01:56] <blueschoolfox> for x86
[01:56] <danko123456> yeah, me too.
[01:56] <amichai> crimsun, u agree with danko123456 ?
[01:56] <danko123456> download one, and burn them...
[01:56] <restrex> ffblueschoolfox wft!
[01:56] <danko123456> I have a copy on my windows hard drive
[01:56] <Wammy> anyone that can help me install ndiswrapper?
[01:56] <danko123456> I could mount it I guess...
[01:56] <undre6k> sup all
[01:56] <blueschoolfox> restrex:  for enterprise use
[01:56] <_adw_> danko123456,  sorry, what didnt you get?
[01:56] <shale> spiderworm, just apt-get install glest after putting the repository in your sources.list
[01:56] <blueschoolfox> distributing them to customers :)
[01:56] <danko123456> which key with alt?
[01:57] <shale> but it won't work if you don't have the latest drivers
[01:57] <_adw_> alt+left mousebutton, moves the camera around
[01:57] <shale> need gl 1.3
[01:57] <undre6k> I want gnome2  whats the best way to get it
[01:57] <shale> i just have 1.25 and can't figure out how to upgrade
[01:57] <danko123456> have you tried keyboard shortcuts?
[01:57] <undre6k> synaptic
[01:57] <_adw_> maybe that might help
[01:57] <danko123456> alt+left button does nothing for me though,.
[01:57] <spiderworm> shale: i do have the latest drivers but it wont do it because im running 64 bit, there is no 64 bit package list there...
[01:58] <_adw_> danko123456, on my ubuntu alt-left mouse moves active window around:p
[01:58] <amichai> Burgundavia, does it matter that esd doesnt work, but only alsa?
[01:58] <danko123456> oh, it does, doesnt it....
[01:58] <danko123456> thats a hard one..:)
[01:59] <_adw_> :)
[01:59] <_adw_> ill have a look around
[01:59] <shale> ahhh spiderworm then i don't know how to help ya as i'm 32bit
[01:59] <spiderworm> to install 32 bit .debs on my 64 bit system, how do i do it?  linux 32 dpkg -i <packagename> ?
[02:00] <Burgundavia> spiderworm, I don't think you can do that
[02:00] <Burgundavia> spiderworm, it should build, the source debs are there
[02:00] <Epix> ok, firefox crashes when it loads stuff from media.fastclick.net
[02:00] <Epix> wtf?
[02:01] <danko123456> yeah, wtf?
[02:01] <Epix> why would it crash there?
[02:01] <spiderworm> Burgundavia: do you know of a tutorial to build from source debs?
[02:01] <mikerobi> did anyone have trouble with the thunderbird package? It didn't seem to find my profile but the mozilla distribution works fine.
[02:01] <DBill1> supposedly doesn't need card specific drivers loaded. the FPS numbers aren't encouraging.  What is next?
[02:01] <[Thorrn4] > danko123456, after the installing....mplayer should work now?
[02:01] <danko123456> hehe
[02:02] <danko123456> Not for me, sorry
[02:02] <danko123456> I use xine as of lately...
[02:02] <danko123456> has a nice pause-play feature
[02:02] <danko123456> I used MPlayer in warty...
[02:02] <danko123456> cant get it to run in Hiary
[02:02] <danko123456> maybe someone knows how...
[02:02] <danko123456> _adw_:
[02:02] <danko123456> you there?
[02:02] <DBill1> Is there a command to enable video acceleration in xorg?
[02:03] <Brunellus> ugh.  I should have stayed with warty
[02:03] <_adw_> danko123456, ye
[02:03] <Brunellus> I just did a dist-upgrade to hoary, and now I have no internet access
[02:03] <mikerobi> DBill1: what do you mean?
[02:03] <danko123456> _adw_: you running hoary?
[02:03] <_adw_> danko123456, yep
[02:03] <danko123456> go system, prefs, keyboard
[02:04] <DBill1> Brunellas - What type of card do you have?
[02:04] <danko123456> then layout options tab.
[02:04] <danko123456> then third level choosers.
[02:04] <danko123456> then put a check in the alt you want not to work anymore.
[02:04] <danko123456> atry that.
[02:04] <Brunellus> DBill1:  it's a Linksys WMP11v4
[02:04] <DBill1> Wireless?
[02:04] <Brunellus> my only 'net access is via that wlan adapter
[02:04] <_adw_> oh crap, thanks:D
[02:04] <danko123456> wireless
[02:04] <Brunellus> yeah
[02:04] <Brunellus> previously
[02:05] <Brunellus> I had gotten it running with ndiswrapper
[02:05] <danko123456> _adw_: maybe it is not the fix, though.
[02:05] <danko123456> Could be...
[02:05] <Brunellus> I'd install the appropriate kernel header packages
[02:05] <Brunellus> build ndiswrapper against them
[02:05] <DBill1> I have seen a few questions posted here about Hoary and wireless.
[02:05] <Brunellus> and use ndiswrapper.
[02:06] <Brunellus> I'm *furious*
[02:06] <XandriX> anyone here have a sparcstation ?
[02:06] <DBill1> no doubt.
[02:06] <Brunellus> now what do I do?  I have no 'net access
[02:06] <Wammy> what package do i need to install for the kernel source?
[02:06] <danko123456> like a sparc computer?
[02:06] <Brunellus> I have a very heavy paperweight (it's a five year old desktop)
[02:06] <_adw_> danko123456, well thanks anyways, i can also use middle mouse button for now.
[02:06] <danko123456> is your ISP cable, or DSL?
[02:07] <danko123456> does that work, though?
[02:07] <danko123456> the alt got disabled there,
[02:07] <danko123456> Brunellus: DSL or cable?
[02:07] <Brunellus> danko123456:  it's cable
[02:08] <danko123456> ok...so you know your NIC is not working?
[02:08] <Brunellus> cable modem hooked up to a DLink router/wireless access point
[02:08] <Wammy> Brunellus it seems we are installing the same wireless card/
[02:08] <danko123456> awesome, dudes:)
[02:08] <Brunellus> Wammy:  WMP11v4?
[02:08] <Wammy> yeah
[02:08] <i2oboDude> Anyone running an NForce4 chipset?
[02:08] <Brunellus> misery loves company
[02:08] <DBill1> trailing a CAT5 cable around the house when you are used to wireless is pretty bad.
[02:09] <danko123456> its ok, youll be fine
[02:09] <Brunellus> DBill1:  that's not even an option.  There isn't even a regular old NIC in that box
[02:09] <Wammy> cant figure out which package i need to install for the kernel headers
[02:09] <DanglyBits> how do i add the  Debian Marillat repositories ?
[02:09] <b0urn3> does anyone have the time to help a newcomer to ubuntu/linux in general?
[02:09] <Brunellus> Wammy:  linux-headers*
[02:10] <danko123456> did you guys google that up, or what?
[02:10] <nopea> anybody here try to run Jedit on Unbuntu?
[02:10] <danko123456> DanglyBits: http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[02:10] <Brunellus> See, I've got the headers and everything
[02:11] <Brunellus> I was able to build ndiswrapper, load the .inf files, modprobe
[02:11] <danko123456> Brunellus: , Wammy: did you guys google that card?
[02:11] <Wammy> hmm, its asking to remove 2 packages'
[02:11] <Wammy> danko123456:ya
[02:11] <Brunellus> danko123456:  not in the last few months
[02:11] <undre6k> How do I mount a ntfs partition with read/write permissions?
[02:11] <Brunellus> I'd been running warty.  I got it up and running on warty with no problems using ndiswrapper
[02:11] <danko123456> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/archive/41/2004/12/4/271032
[02:11] <danko123456> sen this one?
[02:12] <Brunellus> undre6k:  writing to ntfs is not safe.  you probably don't want to do that.
[02:12] <Epix> flash crashes mozilla firefox? why? how it be fixed?
[02:12] <mikerobi> Epix: try newer / older version of plugin
[02:12] <mikerobi> Epix: some sites will crash everytime regardless
[02:12] <danko123456> Epix: tried http://ubuntuguide.org/#flash-mozilla ?
[02:13] <tjs> is there any way to install a .deb from your fs and have it retrieve and install deps?
[02:13] <undre6k> Brunellus: your right I guess read permissions
[02:13] <Brunellus> danko123456:  that thread doesn't help me...I've done it already
[02:14] <Brunellus> what I'm looking to know is *why* something that worked trivially in Warty is broken in Hoary
[02:14] <Brunellus> this is not progress to me.
[02:14] <b0urn3> ok...i'll be slightly more specific...i was wondering if someone could help me (or point me to a good resource) set up filesharing and vnc
[02:14] <augustlilleaas> Cane someone help a complete newbie to linux that just installed ubuntu how to fix a graphics card not being found by ubuntu?
[02:14] <danko123456> Brunellus: haha
[02:15] <danko123456> Brunellus: things dont work...have you tried the ndiswrapper site?
[02:16] <danko123456> there is a driver right here: ftp://ftp.linksys.com/pub/network/wmp11_v4_dr.zip
[02:16] <danko123456> And it is said to work with NdisWrapper
[02:17] <Jerub> how do I get ubuntu to run a program as soon as gnome starts?
[02:17] <danko123456> put it in the auto load programs list.
[02:17] <i2oboDude> NForce4 in here anyone? I don't think my system is loading the correct drivers...
[02:17] <undre6k> Im trying to read my mp3s off my ntfs   I've tried      mount -t ntfs  -o rw  /dev/hb1 /mnt/winbox  what am I doing wrong?
[02:17] <scott_> Jerub: System > Session
[02:17] <Huey> is there a way to specify a default size when a program is launched?
[02:17] <Huey> all of my PDFs (opened with evince) always start way too small
[02:18] <danko123456> system, prefs, session
[02:18] <i2oboDude> lsmod : 0000:00:06.0 IDE interface: nVidia Corporation: Unknown device 0053 (rev a2)
[02:18] <danko123456> startup programs tab
[02:18] <scott_> Jerub: System > Administration > Sessions > Startup Programs
[02:18] <danko123456> Jerub:  system, prefs, session, startup programs tab
[02:18] <danko123456> how is it in admin?
[02:18] <scott_> nevermind, it's not
[02:18] <danko123456> right.
[02:19] <Jerub> thankyou :)
[02:19] <i2oboDude> Urmm, does this mean that my nforce 4 drivers aren't loaded correctly? 0000:00:06.0 IDE interface: nVidia Corporation: Unknown device 0053 (rev a2)
[02:19] <danko123456> yup
[02:19] <i2oboDude> what should I do to fix it?
[02:19] <danko123456> Huey: evince?
[02:20] <danko123456> that a pdf reader?
[02:20] <nopea> Has anybody been able to get an Epson printer working?
[02:20] <i2oboDude> nopea, me
[02:20] <sock> is it normal to have a "software failure" in the middle of an upgrade to hoary????
[02:20] <danko123456> nopea: me 2.
[02:20] <danko123456> sock!!
[02:21] <i2oboDude> nopea, i have a 880
[02:21] <danko123456> did you clean out your sources?
[02:21] <danko123456> i have a cx5400
[02:21] <danko123456> what model, nopea
[02:21] <danko123456> ?
[02:21] <nopea> Its a PM-G800
[02:22] <|QuaD-> what is "launchpad" that is being discussed in udu?
[02:22] <danko123456> 800C?
[02:22] <danko123456> it is a canonical suite of programs...
[02:22] <danko123456> I mean, a site of progs that Canonical uses
[02:22] <danko123456> I think it has that rosetta tool in it.
[02:23] <i2oboDude> to maintaine ubuntu?
[02:23] <nopea> Its a Japanese model.... I dont know the North American model number - it would be an epson stylus photo series that I know
[02:23] <|QuaD-> danko123456: so it doesn't really have any effect on us
[02:23] <danko123456> what effect are you looking for?
[02:23] <danko123456> a color one?
[02:23] <danko123456> nopea: a color one?
[02:23] <|QuaD-> danko123456: i have no idea, is it something they are releasing later.... or just internal
[02:23] <danko123456> he just died?!
[02:23] <danko123456> it is accessible to you and me,..
[02:24] <tsume> what kind of person just says "hello" as a greeting on his answering machine? :P
[02:24] <danko123456> let me get you a link
[02:24] <|QuaD-> danko123456: thanks
[02:24] <danko123456> itf that is the same thing I am thinking of.
[02:24] <danko123456> haha
[02:24] <nopea> yes 6 cartridge
[02:24] <danko123456> a leisurly person, I would say
[02:24] <tsume> EE people are crazy
[02:24] <danko123456> nopea: did you try just ading the printer in system, admin, printing?
[02:25] <danko123456> there is a pm-800C in my list.
[02:25] <nopea> danko123456, yes I tried it that way - its not a PM-800C thats an older Japanese model
[02:26] <danko123456> hehe
[02:26] <nopea> its closest match would be a epson PM-G700 but when I try to print its spits out endless blank pages
[02:27] <danko123456> is that what your first message said, that the pm800c is an older model?
[02:27] <nopea> PM-800C is older I ahve PM-G800
[02:29] <t3hEthan> 488 peopl
[02:29] <t3hEthan> no
[02:29] <t3hEthan> 489
[02:29] <t3hEthan> and nobody talks.
[02:29] <danko123456> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/LaunchpadIntegration/view?searchterm=launchpad
[02:29] <danko123456> thats a link to a Ubuntu page that talks about the launchpad...
[02:30] <shale> well i tried to install the ati drivers but just screwed my stuff up
[02:30] <shale> anyone here have any luck with the x300 radeon ati gl drivers ?
[02:31] <danko123456> no
[02:31] <danko123456> :)
[02:31] <danko123456> noone is here speaking anyhow.
[02:31] <danko123456> hm...
[02:31] <t3hEthan> i have some ATI card on the ubuntu boxes i admin at my school and it worked fine without any special config
[02:32] <masterloki> hi again now I'm done with the repos I have a PC Chips M825 G Motherboard and I have no sound
[02:32] <masterloki> where can i find the dirver
[02:32] <danko123456> in what program?
[02:32] <danko123456> at all no sound, like the ubuntu splash screen dont play that nice music for you?
[02:32] <masterloki> nop
[02:32] <Xappe> hah, a splash taht plays music?
[02:33] <t3hEthan> Yeah
[02:33] <danko123456> yup
[02:33] <masterloki> yeah it's nice (when you hear it)
[02:33] <danko123456> so it dont work at all, eh?
[02:33] <danko123456> haha
[02:33] <danko123456> sorry
[02:33] <danko123456> totally lol
[02:33] <masterloki> _'
[02:33] <Hobo> my splash plays music :)
[02:33] <danko123456> youre a ho...
[02:33] <danko123456> so...
[02:34] <masterloki> any ideas
[02:34] <qweqw> hi.
[02:34] <t3hEthan> it's like doo doo (sparkle) doo doo doo (jungle noises) doo doo doo (fading out) doo doo ... doo doo ... doo doo
[02:34] <danko123456> hi!
[02:34] <t3hEthan> then it loads stuff
[02:34] <qweqw> who here is offended by the topic of anal sex?
[02:34] <t3hEthan> HI QWEQW
[02:34] <danko123456> Yeah, its awesome
[02:34] <t3hEthan> i'm not
[02:34] <Xappe> t3hEthan: that's not the splash, thats a sound file somewhere ;)
[02:34] <danko123456> why wouold you go there, though?
[02:34] <Hobo> the begining to hundred mile city-ocean color scene
[02:34] <danko123456> awwww
[02:34] <Hobo> thats what I have
[02:34] <danko123456> Xappe: do you have to be so painfully obvious?
[02:35] <Xappe> yes, i'm drunk :)
[02:35] <t3hEthan> Xappe - I was referring to what the music sounded lik----oh, you're drunk, never mind
[02:35] <qweqw> 'cause no one will answer this question: have you ever had another person's penis in your ass?
[02:35] <danko123456> If you ahd not changed it, hobo, it is the same as we all have.
[02:35] <Hobo> I know
[02:35] <Hobo> :)
[02:35] <jba> anyone in here know if dia can read xmi files?
[02:35] <danko123456> qwe...?
[02:35] <qweqw> see
[02:35] <Xappe> t3hEthan: ;)
[02:35] <Hobocop> +E what now
[02:35] <danko123456> check out his question
[02:36] <qweqw> two answers to this binary question
[02:36] <danko123456> jba: you tried?
[02:36] <t3hEthan> qweqw: this isn't #gaynalsex
[02:36] <Hobocop> hey is anyone any good at writing shell scripts :)
[02:36] <qweqw> what's the problem
[02:36] <danko123456> (19:35:34) qweqw: 'cause no one will answer this question: have you ever had another person's penis in your ass?
[02:36] <jba> downloading dia now
[02:36] <danko123456> gotta love that...
[02:36] <Hobocop> I want to write a script that uploads a file to a ftp every 20 seconds :)
[02:36] <danko123456> jba: I have no .xmi files:(
[02:36] <t3hEthan> I know a bit of bash
[02:36] <Hobocop> but I have no idea what the commands to do it lmao
[02:36] <Hobocop> any resources that are good
[02:37] <danko123456> yeah, want an eBook?
[02:37] <qweqw> virtually any other topic is fine, but once male-on-male sex is mentioned.. oh no! better guard your fragile masculinity
[02:37] <Hobocop> I have seen a lot of tutorials that dont tell me what I want
[02:37] <danko123456> qweqw: dude, whats worng?
[02:37] <qweqw> nothing
[02:37] <jba> danko123456, no go
[02:37] <danko123456> are you feeling bad that you are the only one that is admittedly gay?
[02:37] <qweqw> i am on a quest to receive answers
[02:37] <danko123456> I have personally never had a dick up my ass.
[02:37] <Xappe> qweqw: no? but this is an ubuntu channel
[02:37] <qweqw> wow!
[02:38] <danko123456> if that is your questionm
[02:38] <qweqw> your point
[02:38] <[Thorrn4] > what r u guys talking about?!?!
[02:38] <danko123456> I mean, if yiou really need3d to know..
[02:38] <qweqw> tangents happen,
[02:38] <Xappe> qweqw: at least they're very close
[02:38] <danko123456> ok, so you happy with the answer?
[02:39] <qweqw> it's a start
[02:39] <qweqw> you are the first
[02:39] <nopea> danko123456, so how did you get your printer to work?
[02:39] <danko123456> its in the list
[02:39] <danko123456> sorry:?"(
[02:39] <qweqw> are you using CUPS, nopea
[02:40] <oasiao> da da duh da duh duh da
[02:40] <danko123456> dude, so you are after that question gonna blend in?
[02:40] <danko123456> why ask that?
[02:40] <qweqw> uh.
[02:40] <danko123456> thats weird...
[02:41] <qweqw> i don't see anything beyond the realm of ordinary experience
[02:41] <Xappe> haha
[02:41] <danko123456> like did you just wake up, or whatbrough you to #ubuntu with that q?
[02:41] <qweqw> my carpet is white
[02:41] <oasiao> must not be a farmer then
[02:41] <qweqw> nothing
[02:41] <danko123456> I have HARD wood floors, if you like that...
[02:41] <danko123456> haha
[02:42] <danko123456> sorry
[02:42] <qweqw> you are henceforth banned from discussing linux
[02:42] <danko123456> who?
[02:42] <qweqw> play the fool
[02:42] <qweqw> uh huh
[02:42] <danko123456> I dont discuss linux anymore
[02:42] <danko123456> anyhow
[02:42] <danko123456> this channel dont have questions it seems
[02:42] <qweqw> this is a channel devoted to the discussion of linux
[02:42] <[Thorrn4] > I have hardwood floors also
[02:42] <[Thorrn4] > lol
[02:42] <danko123456> awesome
[02:43] <t3hEthan> qweqw: then why were you asking about teh buttsecks?
[02:43] <t3hEthan> linux!==buttsecks
[02:43] <danko123456> [Thorrn4] :
[02:43] <qweqw> bullshit
[02:43] <danko123456> t3hEthan: obvioussly not a programmes
[02:43] <danko123456> r
[02:43] <danko123456> !=
[02:43] <danko123456> not !==
[02:43] <transgress> well since it's on topic http://www.take-it-like-a-man.com
[02:43] <danko123456> I jsut did that mistake yesterday on a Java prog.
[02:44] <t3hEthan> haha, actually i am
[02:44] <danko123456> t3hEthan: then why the !==
[02:44] <qweqw> i wish java would die a quick death
[02:44] <nopea> yes I am using CUPS
[02:44] <t3hEthan> You don't do stuff like that in PHP too much
[02:45] <danko123456> if linux|ubuntu!=butt sex...
[02:45] <danko123456> {{
[02:45] <danko123456> ||
[02:45] <[Thorrn4] > whats wrong wit Java qweqw
[02:45] <Hobocop> what I do that in php all the time sheesh
[02:45] <[Thorrn4] > ?
[02:45] <danko123456> hehe
[02:45] <danko123456> PHP
[02:45] <transgress> i can deal with java... not to fond of php though
[02:45] <qweqw> your program just crashed
[02:45] <danko123456> heh
[02:45] <danko123456> your program wasnt written right
[02:46] <Hobocop> if user!==buttsecks echo "<a href=/"linky to awesome/">Click here to continue</a>";
[02:46] <danko123456> there is plenty of Java fans out there,
[02:46] <danko123456> hehe
[02:46] <t3hEthan> !=, hobo
[02:46] <Hobocop> yes I know lmao
[02:46] <Hobocop> but I was going with it
[02:46] <danko123456> right. whats with the !==
[02:46] <Hobocop> look up sheesh
[02:46] <Hobocop> I am crying god
[02:46] <danko123456> yeah..
[02:46] <danko123456> god>?
[02:46] <qweqw> god doesn't care
[02:46] <danko123456> next topic
[02:46] <t3hEthan> aww *gives hobo a hug*
[02:47] <Hobocop> ok next on the internet agenda
[02:47] <Hobocop> why does gdesklets sucks balls?
[02:47] <Hobocop> WHY
[02:47] <qweqw> god gives, but does not receive
[02:47] <qweqw> gnome
[02:48] <Hobocop> oh fuckn sweet
[02:48] <qweqw> gnome is lame
[02:48] <Hobocop> immortal technique is playing at first ave
[02:48] <Hobocop> :)
[02:48] <danko123456> Hobocop: sucks and does dont go in same sentence
[02:48] <Hobocop> kde blows :)
[02:48] <t3hEthan> Wait, first ave
[02:48] <qweqw> yep, it sucks too
[02:48] <t3hEthan> you live in MN?
[02:48] <Hobocop> yeah
[02:48] <danko123456> kde...kde tried
[02:48] <shale> does breezy incl gnome2 ?
[02:48] <Hobocop> saint paul represent
[02:48] <t3hEthan> hell yea
[02:48] <danko123456> shale: why>
[02:48] <danko123456> ?
[02:49] <shale> jsut curious
[02:49] <danko123456> I would think so.
[02:49] <Quest-Master> Ok, I officially declare GIMP to be retarded with printing
[02:49] <danko123456> Isnt Hoary 2?
[02:49] <danko123456> already?
[02:49] <qweqw> gimp sucks too
[02:49] <shale> oh.. is it?
[02:49] <danko123456> gimp works
[02:49] <Quest-Master> GIMP rocks
[02:49] <Quest-Master> Not with printing
[02:49] <Quest-Master> Sorry.
[02:49] <shale> i just assumed it wasn't but i could be stupid
[02:49] <danko123456> I think so....
[02:49] <qweqw> sure, it works
[02:49] <shale> how can i tell?
[02:49] <danko123456> not stupid...
[02:49] <Quest-Master> All it prints out is "Printed with GIMP Plugin"
[02:49] <qweqw> they need to revise the interface entirely
[02:49] <danko123456> is gnome2 a really new thing?
[02:50] <Quest-Master> And as many pages as it possibly can
[02:50] <Quest-Master> ><
[02:50] <shale> i thot it was
[02:50] <danko123456> yeah, the interface is not handy.
[02:50] <danko123456> i dont think its that new.
[02:50] <danko123456> oh, gnome2
[02:50] <danko123456> right...
[02:50] <danko123456> not sure about that one,
[02:50] <qweqw> they've had the same damn thing on gimp for years
[02:50] <Quest-Master> Ok, hoping Firefox will print this image correctly
[02:50] <danko123456> its not very handy, no...
[02:51] <Quest-Master> Haha
[02:51] <danko123456> how abnout save the image?
[02:51] <Quest-Master> Knew Firefox wouldn't fail me
[02:51] <Quest-Master> ;)
[02:51] <danko123456> it didnt?
[02:51] <danko123456> sweet.
[02:51] <t3hEthan> It's not Fx. I had the same problem, kinda
[02:51] <One> any one know what to do with this file fglrx_4_3_0-8.12.10-1.i386.rpm?
[02:51] <qweqw> mozilla.org/firefox doesn't render correctly on firefox
[02:51] <t3hEthan> Just make sure it's converting to PostScript
[02:51] <danko123456> its a .rpm...
[02:51] <danko123456> what is it?
[02:52] <One> an ati driver
[02:52] <t3hEthan> how bout rpm -i fglrx_4_3_0-8.12.10-1.i386
[02:52] <danko123456> sounds ok,...
[02:52] <nickrud> t3hEthan, danko123456 One , no use alien on it, it'll become a deb you can install
[02:52] <qweqw> for realz
[02:53] <qweqw> don't pollute your system with rpms
[02:53] <wastrel> the new wifi gnome applet is blinky and distracting and i hate it.
[02:53] <wastrel> is there a way to turn off the animation?
[02:53] <One> alien?
[02:53] <qweqw> try ritalin
[02:53] <shale> ridalyn
[02:53] <Zatoichi> anyone else gat parse errors for the live365 feed in streamtuner?
[02:53] <nickrud> yeah, man alien
[02:53] <qweqw> alien converts between package formats
[02:53] <nickrud> rpm only exists on your system so alien can use it :)
[02:53] <qweqw> dunno if it's installed by default
[02:54] <qweqw> yeah
[02:54] <danko123456> hehe
[02:54] <One> ok ill try it
[02:54] <danko123456> qweqw: seriously, the question: (19:35:34) qweqw: 'cause no one will answer this question: have you ever had another person's penis in your ass?
[02:54] <qweqw> i wish the 2482904829084903880498 linux distros would decide on a standard packaging format
[02:54] <danko123456> I agree, somewhat.
[02:54] <qweqw> what do you find so tantalizing about that quote
[02:54] <t3hEthan> yeah, it's called .tar.gz
[02:55] <nickrud> t3hEthan, this isn't slack :0
[02:55] <qweqw> in that case, i wish they would decide on a standard makefile format
[02:55] <danko123456> I dont know,  I ask myself the same.
[02:55] <wastrel> anyone know how to make the network monitor gnome applet less blinky & distracting?
[02:55] <danko123456> the one on your panel?
[02:56] <qweqw> an interesting, practically ubiquitos reaction to that question.. that's my reason for asking
[02:56] <nickrud> wastrel, yeah, get rid of it and use netspeed
[02:56] <t3hEthan> right click, remove from panel?
[02:56] <danko123456> whats ubiquitos?
[02:56] <t3hEthan> like
[02:56] <transgress> wastrel: remove it.
[02:56] <t3hEthan> it's everywhere
[02:56] <danko123456> heh
[02:56] <danko123456> I dont get how it applies,
[02:57] <danko123456> I just bought a Nikon digi camera
[02:57] <danko123456> it has an underwater mode
[02:57] <qweqw> if i asked if you had ever attempted reproduction with a member of the opposite sex, via genital-to-genital interaction.. well, what do you think about that?
[02:57] <Thorrn4> wow....again XCHAT crapped out on me
[02:57] <danko123456> I would say...
[02:57] <t3hEthan> ziplock bag=underwater mode
[02:57] <danko123456> hehe
[02:57] <danko123456> t3hEthan: lol
[02:58] <gbhat> what is up with hoary updates? x(
[02:58] <danko123456> not like, lol
[02:58] <qweqw> hell fucking yes, the last chick i fucked couldn't walk for a week
[02:58] <danko123456> gbhat: what is up?
[02:58] <Thorrn4> is there a program in linux that could be used to create sounds (music, footsteps, and such)
[02:58] <Thorrn4> ?
[02:58] <danko123456> no, that is not what I would say, personally.
[02:58] <qweqw> i see that everyday
[02:58] <gbhat> Errors were encountered while processing:
[02:58] <gbhat>  /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4%3a3.4.0-0ubuntu3.1_all.deb
[02:58] <gbhat>  E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[02:58] <qweqw> doesn't matter
[02:58] <gbhat> I have been encountering that package for the last week or so
[02:58] <qweqw> no one is offended by it
[02:59] <danko123456> I would say no again.
[02:59] <t3hEthan> wine /mnt/hda1/usr/local/bin/photoshop/photosho.exe
[02:59] <qweqw> no one feels threatened
[02:59] <wastrel> nickrud:  thx :] 
[02:59] <nickrud> gbhat, you need to remove the other packaged referenced by that error, upgrade, and reinstall
[02:59] <nickrud> *package
[02:59] <danko123456> gbhat: you know...are you saying you upgraded from Warty?
[02:59] <gbhat> nickrud, if I try to remove knetworkconf it wants to remove the whole kubuntu-desktop
[02:59] <Thorrn4> is there a program like that?
[02:59] <qweqw> but if i ask the original question, i am kicked/banned/killed/klined/glined before anyone gets a chance to answer
[02:59] <gbhat> danko123456, no I was using hoary all along
[03:00] <danko123456> oh, ok.
[03:00] <nickrud> gbhat, kubuntu-desktop is just a meta-package, it won't remove any real packages
[03:00] <danko123456> try removing the whole thing then...?
[03:00] <nickrud> reading that, it's not clear :)
[03:00] <danko123456> nickrud knows what hes talking about...
[03:00] <danko123456> not sure myself, what you said.
[03:00] <gbhat> nickrud, hmm lemme see. I want the kubuntu desktop cux it works with transparency and shadows the best
[03:00] <nickrud> kubuntu-desktop is a list of packages that make up a desktop
[03:01] <danko123456> you can use it afterwards again...even if you remove it, I think.
[03:01] <qweqw> i want to know why they decided to include so many packages with ubuntu-desktop
[03:01] <Hobocop> FOR HILARITY :):)
[03:01] <danko123456> qweqw: hehe
[03:01] <danko123456> You should start off with a warmup question then
[03:01] <nickrud> kubuntu-desktop is the packages the developers think you need to have a decent desktop
[03:01] <gbhat> Ubuntu is great on polish but needs some work on the hardware front
[03:01] <qweqw> they're deluded
[03:02] <nickrud> s/packages/list of packages/
[03:02] <danko123456> ubuntu ROCKS, dont forget that:)
[03:02] <qweqw> i ran out of ram just from all the inane services that it loads
[03:02] <nickrud> if you remove kubuntu-desktop, it will not remove the packages you already have
[03:02] <gbhat> nickrud, seems like it went ok
[03:03] <danko123456> qweqw: get a better computer.
[03:03] <nickrud> gbhat, now you can reinstall kubuntu-desktop if you like :)
[03:03] <qweqw> i'm comfortable with 2.2ghz
[03:03] <danko123456> yeah, he seems to know what he is talking about.
[03:03] <danko123456> mine is that too.
[03:03] <danko123456> what about the RAM, then?
[03:03] <qweqw> 512
[03:03] <danko123456> so, then, it should be fine...mine is.
[03:03] <nickrud> if the developers add something to their list, you'll get it since you have reinstalled kubuntu-desktop
[03:03] <danko123456> you can always use something else, I guess
[03:04] <qweqw> yeah, i reinstalled as server
[03:04] <gbhat> heh, it isntalled knetworkconf again
[03:04] <nickrud> danko123456, sometimes I do, often I don't :0
[03:04] <danko123456> no, I meant in this story
[03:04] <sock> hmm i upgraded synaptic to hoary and the terminal came up and started doing stuff, but now the screen is blank what do i do???
[03:05] <danko123456> hehe, sock...
[03:05] <qweqw> that makes no sense to me
[03:05] <danko123456> the only screen that is blank is synaptic?
[03:05] <qweqw> RTFM!!!!
[03:05] <ghostfreeman_> How would I suggest an xorg autodetect utility similar to what Knoppix uses for the next release of Ubuntu?
[03:05] <danko123456> dude?
[03:05] <qweqw> go fuck it up until you learn how
[03:05] <sock> no
[03:05] <nickrud> qweqw, excellent advice :)
[03:05] <sock> noo like ubuntu is back
[03:05] <danko123456> everything blank?
[03:05] <sock> black
[03:05] <sock> yes
[03:05] <sock> BLACKNESS EVERYWHERE SCARY
[03:05] <gbhat> sock, have you experienced it before?
[03:05] <danko123456> so different computer?
[03:06] <sock> yes
[03:06] <sock> lol
[03:06] <qweqw> hit alt+ctrl+backspace
[03:06] <danko123456> try alt+ctrl+f1 after that...
[03:06] <qweqw> it should reload the graphical login
[03:06] <danko123456> does it have a cursor blinking top left?
[03:06] <sock> unresponsive
[03:06] <t3hEthan> what's AltCtrlF1
[03:06] <gbhat> sock, while booting pass the parameters pci=noacpi to the kernel
[03:06] <sock> ok it did
[03:06] <sock> its back
[03:06] <danko123456> differebt terminal
[03:06] <qweqw> it switched terminals?
[03:06] <qweqw> what worked
[03:06] <danko123456> yours likely.
[03:06] <danko123456> t3...
[03:07] <danko123456> t3hEthan: try altctrlf1
[03:07] <t3hEthan> heh
[03:07] <t3hEthan> cool
[03:07] <sock> im back to the login menu now
[03:07] <Janux> Hi, anyone knows that there is a music player like XMMS but it supports UTF-8?
[03:07] <danko123456> alt+ctrl+f7 gets you back.
[03:07] <sock> should i just login normally and complete the upgrade?
[03:07] <qweqw> where did it blank, sock ?
[03:07] <danko123456> it could go blank simply because of the reloading of the x system
[03:08] <sock> i went into synaptic to upgrade to hoary, and then a terminal window came up and started running stuff.. and then it was blank for a while and stayed blank while i ate dinner
[03:08] <sock> altctrlf1 brought me to login screen
[03:08] <qweqw> synaptic is just a front-end to apt-get, which is a front-end for apt?
[03:08] <danko123456> f1 is the login screen...
[03:08] <danko123456> that wont get you to gnome
[03:08] <ghostfreeman_> How do I suggest new programs and utilities?
[03:08] <danko123456> apt-get is apt
[03:08] <qweqw> might want to do it via a plain ol' terminal
[03:08] <danko123456> alt+ctrl+f7 is the graphical terminal
[03:09] <qweqw> apt-get is a front-end on debian
[03:09] <danko123456> ghostfreeman_: what?
[03:09] <danko123456> is that your only poost?
[03:09] <danko123456> (20:08:59) ghostfreeman_: How do I suggest new programs and utilities?
[03:09] <qweqw> sock, edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:09] <danko123456> sock: try alt+ctrl+f7
[03:09] <Janux> Hi, anyone knows that there is a music player like XMMS but it supports UTF-8?
[03:09] <tm17h> I'm trying to get a modem working with ubuntu -- this is a winmodem, which seems to work with modprobe lt etc., but I can't seem to get it to hook up.  Is there a simple way I can get to typing basic commands to the modem and seeing what happens (e.g. atdt + phone-number)?
[03:10] <ghostfreeman_> as in ones that could be considered for next release, to be added to Synaptic, etc...
[03:10] <danko123456> what is UTF-8 support?
[03:10] <danko123456> oh, ok...
[03:10] <transgress> it is a winmodem tm17h?  ima stick with this for help... "pray"
[03:10] <Hobocop> unicode 8)
[03:10] <odyssey> why would something thats in main depend on something that is in the universe?
[03:10] <nickrud> ghostfreeman_, what's the program, odds are it already is :)
[03:10] <transgress> odyssey: because they know we all use universe heh
[03:11] <danko123456> ghostfreeman_: there is a #ubuntu-developers, not called that sorry
[03:11] <ghostfreeman_> A GUI utility for setting up xorg
[03:11] <tm17h> transgress: Yep I know -- I'm installing ubuntu tomorrow on an old PC for a friend's father. If I can get this modem to work, I'd like to give them a modem.
[03:11] <qweqw> you mean like Xorgcfg ? ;)
[03:11] <tm17h> transgress: The proper linmodem modules seem to be included in ubuntu's restricted modules and insert without making a fuss.
[03:11] <nickrud> #ubuntu-devel
[03:11] <danko123456> there aws someone here that asked the same question a minute ago...
[03:11] <Janux> Hobocop, hi, do you know?
[03:12] <qweqw> people still have dial up?
[03:12] <qweqw> sad
[03:12] <danko123456> Janux: what kinda support is that?
[03:12] <danko123456> not sad...
[03:12] <ghostfreeman_> I was thinking along the lines of a utility similar to the one used in Knoppix
[03:12] <qweqw> i weep for all those who are forever in the internet's past
[03:12] <danko123456> As Tanenbaum said, never underestimate the bandwidth of a truck full of tapes hurling down the highway.
[03:13] <nickrud> qweqw, that's probably 3/4 of the world
[03:13] <Hobocop> what am I supposed to know now
[03:13] <danko123456> Janux's UTF-8 support in a media player
[03:13] <Janux> danko123456, because I am chinese and I listen some chinese song, I wish to see what kind of song they are in the playlist.
[03:13] <Hobocop> eh I dont know
[03:13] <danko123456> ooohhh.
[03:13] <qweqw> 60% of americans have broadband. everywhere else is a barren, practically lifeless wasteland.. but i'm sure you knew that
[03:13] <danko123456> Janux: fancy
[03:14] <Hobocop> lmao
[03:14] <Janux> danko123456, all music players don't show the characters...
[03:14] <transgress> anyone know a way to setup LVM with a fresh ubuntu install?  is there an option for that by chance?
[03:14] <tm17h> qweqw: Well -- this would be for someone who's never used the internet before. Hard to convince him to spend ~$50/month (broadband costs here) until he knows what he's getting!
[03:14] <danko123456> qweqw: you have to be american to say that.
[03:14] <danko123456> Janux: maybe you need OS support then
[03:14] <danko123456> I am not sure, sorry
[03:14] <nickrud> Janux, try apt-cache search language pack, and pick one
[03:14] <Janux> qweqw, I am not sure about american, I know that Canada sucks so badly even ppl use broadband here(rogers/Bell)
[03:14] <Janux> nickrud, language pack for xmms?
[03:15] <qweqw> there's a reason 400billion dollars of our tax dollars are spent on increasing are already huge stockpile of lethal machinery
[03:15] <qweqw> we hate you
[03:15] <danko123456> Janux: Canada what?
[03:15] <qweqw> true, tm17h
[03:15] <nickrud> Janux, if xmms has internationalization support, that's probably where it's at
[03:15] <transgress> real help question following:  anyone know about setting up LVM on ubuntu
[03:15] <sock> where do i look to see my ubuntu version to see if the upgrade worked?
[03:15] <danko123456> yeah, its the same reason half the country is below the poverty line
[03:15] <danko123456> it looks different
[03:15] <danko123456> sock
[03:15] <qweqw> once they get used to the speed, and think that's the entirety of the internet experience.. then switch to broadband
[03:15] <danko123456> the whole GUI looks different
[03:16] <danko123456> it has different menus on the top
[03:16] <Janux> danko123456, Canada's broadband sucks.  Let's say mine is 1.5Mbps for $40 CDN/month, in Hong Kong, the cheapest one is around $100(< $20 CDN) for 3Mbps DSL
[03:16] <danko123456> yeah,. hwere do you live?
[03:16] <Janux> nickrud, so you mean xmms supports it? because I couldn't find any information on their web site.
[03:16] <Janux> danko123456, I am living in Toronto now
[03:16] <danko123456> and Shaw, I guess?
[03:16] <sock> damnit, it looks exactly the same to me
[03:16] <sock> i followed the exact directions to upgrade as on the website
[03:16] <danko123456> mine is over 3Mps
[03:17] <Janux> danko123456, Shaw moved to US, and Rogers moved to Canada, that's what I heard.
[03:17] <Janux> danko123456, yeah but how much?
[03:17] <nickrud> Janux, maybe you should try a different player, maybe muine or the Media Player (rhytmbox)
[03:17] <danko123456> do you have applications, places, and system, sock?
[03:17] <tm17h> So... maybe I'll go digging for an old non-winmodem modem -- I believe they're all old modems for macs, likely not to have the standard x86 serial connectors... does anyone here use ubuntu with a modem? Can it properly handle e.g. offering to dial-up when you open a webbrowser?
[03:17] <Janux> nickrud, ic ic...thanks....muine?
[03:17] <danko123456> no, I think you will go through the OS, tm17h
[03:17] <qweqw> i don't remember that type of functionality, tm17h
[03:17] <nickrud> Janux, yeah, I installed it last night. Very pretty, needs work, but it's gnome, which has good internationalization
[03:18] <Janux> nickrud,  alright, let me try, thanks...
[03:18] <Janux> nickrud, what about rhytmbox?
[03:18] <danko123456> shall we let him try?
[03:18] <sock> danko123456: it says just applicatiosn and computer... like before
[03:18] <[Thorrn4] > firefox just crashed on me!! How can I prevent it happening again?!
[03:18] <tjs> we have downloaded the hoary iso at work and are trying to install it on a machine, the install bootloader hangs before we can even type at the prompt
[03:18] <danko123456> then, no, that is not it.
[03:18] <qweqw> do you know what caused it to crash
[03:18] <nickrud> Janux, Applications->multimedia->media player
[03:19] <tjs> anyone else seen this behaviour?
[03:19] <danko123456> no
[03:19] <qweqw> can you make it crash again?
[03:19] <qweqw> if so, send a bug report in describing how you did it
[03:19] <Janux> nickrud, is it MPlayer or Music Player? my ubuntu doesn't come with Media Player
[03:19] <danko123456> for firefox?
[03:19] <[Thorrn4] > it does not give me an error...it just closed all windows
[03:19] <[Thorrn4] > all
[03:19] <danko123456> there is a #firefox
[03:19] <qweqw> what preceded that, though
[03:19] <nickrud> Janux, are you ubuntu or kubuntu?
[03:19] <[Thorrn4] > ok thanx
[03:20] <Janux> ubuntu
[03:20] <sock> hmm i only upgraded the packages.... IM A MORON, ok ill be back
[03:20] <tm17h> danko123456: Okay -- this may be a bad plan. I thought the GNOME modem applet would be the way to go, but opening it just gives me a warning ("Interface does not exist" -- no further guidance or opportunity to point it to the right interface).
[03:20] <danko123456> not on freenode though, [Thorrn4] 
[03:20] <qweqw> if you can't make it crash again, then don't bother with the bug report
[03:20] <nickrud> Janux, sorry, music player
[03:20] <danko123456> not sure how that works, tm
[03:20] <[Thorrn4] > where can I find it?
[03:20] <Janux> nickrud, I tried music player but it doesn't show the characters, do I need to download extra package for that? and I am downloading muine now
[03:21] <Wammy> can someone help me? i got the wireless card installed, now im having issues with getting it to join my network.
[03:21] <qweqw> download all the rhythmbox plugins
[03:21] <qweqw> works fine for me
[03:21] <nickrud> Janux, chinese?
[03:21] <qweqw> can you ping it, Wammy
[03:21] <Wammy> how?
[03:21] <qweqw> have you assigned an address to it?
[03:21] <qweqw> do you know the device name?
[03:22] <Janux> nickrud, yes
[03:22] <Wammy> device name? wlan0 ?
[03:22] <qweqw> sounds right
[03:22] <nickrud> Janux, give me a sec
[03:22] <Brunellus> hello again ubuntans
[03:22] <Brunellus> hey Wammy, did you get it running yet?
[03:22] <Wammy> yeah
[03:22] <qweqw> are you using internal ip addresses?
[03:22] <Wammy> yeah
[03:22] <Wammy> 192.168.1.*
[03:23] <Brunellus> you got it running?  wooohooo
[03:23] <Wammy> yeah, but i cant get it to join my network
[03:23] <t3hEthan> ifconfig ethx up?
[03:23] <qweqw> sudo ifconfig wlan0 192.168,1.X
[03:23] <qweqw> sudo ifconfig wlan0 up
[03:23] <Wammy> yeah did that
[03:23] <qweqw> ping the address you assigned to it, then
[03:23] <Wammy> from the computer i cant ping the router
[03:24] <nickrud> Janux, try installing language-pack-zh
[03:24] <nickrud> Janux, that's the chinese language pack
[03:24] <Brunellus> Wammy, how'd you get it up?
[03:24] <Brunellus> er
[03:24] <qweqw> did you set up a default route?
[03:24] <Wammy> nor can i ping it from here
[03:24] <Wammy> er...no
[03:24] <Wammy> lol
[03:24] <Brunellus> get the wlan card running
[03:24] <Wammy> Brunellus ndiswrapper
[03:24] <Janux> nickrud, for muine? or music player?
[03:24] <nickrud> Janux, but since I don't read chinese, you be the judge :)
[03:24] <qweqw> sudo route add default gw routerip
[03:24] <Wammy> whats the command?
[03:24] <danko123456> (20:24:32) Brunellus: Wammy, how'd you get it up?
[03:24] <danko123456> its a secret...
[03:24] <danko123456> never teach the Wu-Tang.
[03:24] <nickrud> Janux, the way I understand it, that loads language support for rhythmbox, since it's part of main
[03:25] <Janux> nickrud, I will tell you if it works or not...hehe...thanks a lot.
[03:25] <Wammy> qweqw:im u sing WEP 128bit
[03:25] <Wammy> i set it up with iwconfig wlan0 key restricted <key>
[03:25] <Brunellus> danko123456:  we'll be headed straight for mortal kombat if you keep up like that, man...
[03:25] <Brunellus> :p
[03:25] <Wammy> tho my router has the key set as 'shared'
[03:25] <Janux> nickrud, I don't understand, main means my ubuntu main?
[03:25] <knoppix> can someone help me with my network card problem?
[03:26] <qweqw> hmm, i'm lost
[03:26] <t3hEthan> Whass yo network card problem
[03:26] <danko123456> lol
[03:26] <qweqw> can't imagine how to fix anything without being there
[03:26] <knoppix> ubuntu won't "turn on" my cards
[03:26] <danko123456> which ones?
[03:26] <t3hEthan> ethernet or wlan
[03:26] <nickrud> Janux, yes. main is what is supported completely by ubuntu: security and the like
[03:26] <knoppix> i tried two different ones it recognizes them but won't enable them
[03:27] <knoppix> ethernet
[03:27] <qweqw> what does that mean, knoppix
[03:27] <t3hEthan> so wired.
[03:27] <qweqw> does it show up in dmesg
[03:27] <Janux> nickrud, ic ic.....I thought that when I installed the input method, it already includes that...thanks a lot
[03:27] <knoppix> i'm fairly new
[03:27] <qweqw> dmesg|grep eth
[03:27] <danko123456> why is my xmms not working all the sudden?
[03:27] <mario> I remember a article of how install Ubuntu on machines with 32mb ram, any have the URL? plizzzz
[03:27] <knoppix> it shows up in the control center but won't allow me to enable it\
[03:27] <nickrud> Janux, is it good (so I can tell someone it's been tested :)
[03:27] <qweqw> wtf is the control center
[03:27] <palindrome> t
[03:28] <t3hEthan> su; ifconfig eth0 your.ip.address.here; ifconfig eth0 up
[03:28] <danko123456> mario: search the wiki
[03:28] <qweqw> mario, just type "server" instead of hitting enter for default tons-of-shit-you'll-never-use-mode
[03:28] <mario> thanks
[03:29] <Determinist> how can i make the updates thing stop nagging about updates available? i have no wish to install openoffice and yet it wont leave me alone lol
[03:29] <hybrid> hello all
[03:29] <qweqw> it's very minimal, but if you've got dhcp or ppp, you can access the repositories to build the system like you want
[03:29] <NetwrkMonkey> why would the system clock gain time after upgrading to 5.04?
[03:29] <nickrud> mario, is this the link? http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-2376.html
[03:29] <qweqw> time skews, perhaps
[03:29] <qweqw> how much time?
[03:29] <NetwrkMonkey> it's doing this at a rate of 1-2 minutes per every 5-8 hours
[03:29] <NetwrkMonkey> i know it's not the battery
[03:29] <qweqw> might be a hardware problem
[03:29] <Brunellus> here's the deal:  I have the kernel-headers.  I have ndiswrapper source
[03:30] <Eighth> having some trouble with my fresh install of 5.04... when i try to boot, grub hangs saying "error 15" (file not found)
[03:30] <NetwrkMonkey> don't think it's hardware
[03:30] <Brunellus> I built ndiswrapper gainst the kernel headers
[03:30] <NetwrkMonkey> didn't happen with 4.10
[03:30] <NetwrkMonkey> at all
[03:30] <Brunellus> Eighth:  corrupted CD?
[03:30] <NetwrkMonkey> it has to do with the kernel i think
[03:30] <Eighth> Brunellus: possible.. i booted into a knoppix livecd and am looking at the / partition
[03:30] <Eighth> there's no /boot!
[03:31] <qweqw> might be a messed up define somewhere
[03:31] <Janux> nickrud, come back and tell you later, dinner time now
[03:31] <Brunellus> anyhow, I built ndiswrapper--no errors.  loaded up the .inf files--no errors
[03:31] <qweqw> doesn't do it to me, though
[03:31] <Brunellus> modprobe ndiswrapper, no errors
[03:31] <Brunellus> and yet there is no wlan0
[03:31] <nickrud> Janux, cool, just remember the answer for the next guy
[03:31] <bhearsum> is there somewhere where i can view all of the packages in the official ubuntu mirrors?
[03:31] <Brunellus> and the stupid new gnome network-admin gui refuses to let me do antyhing.
[03:31] <qweqw> i'd reinstall, in case anything was corrupted
[03:31] <danko123456> bhearsum: in your synaptic
[03:31] <qweqw> assuming you have nothing to lose
[03:31] <bhearsum> danko123456: i don't have it installed.
[03:32] <gbhat> is there an update to FIrefox 1.0.3 in Hoary?
[03:32] <bhearsum> danko123456: i'm not wiping my system until i know my required software is available ;)
[03:32] <bhearsum> i guess i should be more specifi c-- i'm looking for something on th eweb
[03:32] <danko123456> why is my music not playing, it was playing today?
[03:32] <bhearsum> maybe like packages.debian.org
[03:32] <jeff_> how can i get an mpeg playing app in ubuntu? totem wont work
[03:32] <gbhat> jeff_, get mplayer
[03:32] <nickrud> bhearsum, not very easy to traverse, but this is the actual packages http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/
[03:32] <qweqw> how about xine or vlc
[03:33] <gbhat> vlc is very good too
[03:33] <qweqw> vlc works fine for me, most of the time
[03:33] <gbhat> is there an update to FIrefox 1.0.3 in Hoary?
[03:33] <bhearsum> nickrud: thats great, thanks man.
[03:33] <bhearsum> nickrud: is that for hoary?
[03:33] <qweqw> it can read the .wmv container and play it without a problem
[03:33] <danko123456> jeff_: http://ubuntuguide.org/#xine-ui
[03:33] <nickrud> bhearsum, that's everything, warty, hoary and breezy
[03:33] <Brunellus> ugh.
[03:33] <bhearsum> nickrud: ahh.
[03:33] <danko123456> that should give you a nice start...
[03:33] <jeff_> thanks
[03:33] <bhearsum> nickrud: is hoary 'main' ?
[03:34] <danko123456> yeah, its the main///
[03:34] <danko123456> jj
[03:34] <bhearsum> great
[03:34] <danko123456> w
[03:34] <danko123456> no, jj, bhearsum
[03:34] <bhearsum> ,dayZ
[03:34] <bhearsum> what?
[03:34] <danko123456> its like...main the repository?
[03:34] <bhearsum> i have no idea what you're talking about danko123456
[03:34] <nickrud> gbhat, not yet, the only security update I know of not backported to 1.0.2 is one that creates a file in your home directory
[03:34] <danko123456> main is the main packages.
[03:34] <jeff_> i can't seem to apt-get xine or mplayer
[03:34] <bhearsum> ok?
[03:35] <vomitron> say, i just installed ubuntu 5.04 and it never asked me for a root password
[03:35] <danko123456> follow the steps
[03:35] <qweqw> try xine-ui
[03:35] <danko123456> need extra reps...
[03:35] <jordanau> anyone know how to reduce screen resolution in fluxbox
[03:35] <gbhat> nickrud, why backport?
[03:35] <bhearsum> so all of those repositories are available to hoary?
[03:35] <danko123456> and multmedia codecs
[03:35] <qweqw> mplayer is not included in the repositories
[03:35] <danko123456> sure it is...
[03:35] <gbhat> i think vlc is
[03:35] <nickrud> bhearsum, hoary has main, (security supported) multiverse, and universe
[03:35] <danko123456> I dont think it works though.
[03:35] <mario> In a p166/32mb run fvwm "smooth"? && What word processor is good for this machine? (I have a reulitization mission)
[03:35] <bhearsum> nickrud: great, thanks
[03:35] <qweqw> vlc seems to play more formats, out of the box
[03:35] <gbhat> mario, tried Abiword?
[03:35] <danko123456> yeah, that one is pretty quick
[03:36] <Brunellus> mario:  you might even want to consider damnsmalllinux instead of ubuntu
[03:36] <danko123456> the abiword
[03:36] <nickrud> gbhat, because the debian philosophy is once a stable release is made, bugs are permanent, unless it's security
[03:36] <mario> gbhat, I'm recolecting information
[03:36] <qweqw> mario, you might want to install an even lighter WM
[03:36] <vomitron> how do i set my root password? ubuntu didn't give me an option to do it during setup
[03:36] <bhearsum> DSL probably isn't necessary
[03:36] <Chipzz> Brunellus: why do you think damnsmalllinux would perform better?
[03:36] <mario> like blackbox?
[03:36] <danko123456> jeff_: did you get it going?
[03:36] <bhearsum> you just need something that can be toned down more.
[03:36] <qweqw> fluxbox, ion3
[03:36] <qweqw> either one
[03:36] <Chipzz> Brunellus: damnsmalllinux refers to the size *on-disk*, NOT *in-memory*
[03:36] <Shachaf> vomitron: You should use sudo.
[03:36] <nickrud> vomitron, ubuntu strongly suggests you use sudo
[03:36] <qweqw> fluxbox tends to be more appealing
[03:36] <Brunellus> Chipzz:  fair enough
[03:37] <t3hEthan> sudo = pain in ass
[03:37] <t3hEthan> o
[03:37] <t3hEthan> do*
[03:37] <qweqw> sudo bash
[03:37] <danko123456> the root is disabled
[03:37] <t3hEthan> sudo passwd root
[03:37] <jeff_> danko123456, not yet
[03:37] <qweqw> free root shell
[03:37] <Brunellus> however, damnsmalllinux -toram is nice
[03:37] <Eighth> Brunellus, my cd and the iso md5s are the same... so it's not a bad disc
[03:37] <Chipzz> it is not optimized for size or something like that
[03:37] <bhearsum> nickrud: this channel hurts my head, do you mind if a /msg you if i have more questions?
[03:37] <Brunellus> Eighth: weird.
[03:37] <t3hEthan> nono, you can login as root
[03:37] <Shachaf> vomitron: If you want a root shell, use ``sudo su -''.
[03:37] <danko123456> jeff_: follow all the steps ,and in a few you should be watching the mpeg
[03:37] <vomitron> hmm, not sure i like the sound of this..
[03:37] <Eighth> Brunellus, yeah... why would it not make /boot?
[03:37] <t3hEthan> just login as $you into failsafe terminal
[03:37] <t3hEthan> then
[03:37] <t3hEthan> sudo passwd root
[03:37] <t3hEthan> (enter pass)
[03:37] <t3hEthan> su
[03:37] <t3hEthan> pass
[03:37] <qweqw> fuck all that
[03:37] <qweqw> sudo bash
[03:37] <Shachaf> t3hEthan: That's a bad idea.
[03:37] <qweqw> simple
[03:38] <Shachaf> qweqw: It would be better to ``sudo su -''.
[03:38] <t3hEthan> rm /tmp/var/.X0-lock
[03:38] <t3hEthan> startx
[03:38] <danko123456> or, there is a root terminal launcher in apps.
[03:38] <jeff_> danko123456, i did, i think
[03:38] <qweqw> go ahead and cite why that is then, Shachaf
[03:38] <Shachaf> qweqw: It handles the PATH and such, for one.
[03:38] <vomitron> and also, how do i get rid of this annoying gdm?
[03:38] <danko123456> awesome, any good movies on 2nite?
[03:38] <qweqw> ???
[03:38] <danko123456> jeff_:
[03:38] <qweqw> loads my PATH fine
[03:38] <Shachaf> vomitron: What do you want to use instead?
[03:39] <nickrud> vomitron,  apt-get remove gdm
[03:39] <vomitron> i'd prefer it to just boot to a login prompt
[03:39] <jeff_> danko123456, i think i might have gotten it. i added universe to apt
[03:39] <Shachaf> qweqw: Including /sbin, /usr/sbin, etc.?
[03:39] <danko123456> thats it so far?
[03:39] <danko123456> :)
[03:39] <qweqw> that is the path that was installed by default
[03:39] <jeff_> it found xine-ui but not mplayer
[03:39] <Shachaf> vomitron: Set the default runlevel to 3.
[03:39] <Shachaf> vomitron: /etc/inittab
[03:39] <Eighth> Brunellus, i don't need to specify a /boot partition, right? it should be included in /
[03:40] <danko123456> xine works better I think
[03:40] <danko123456> I mean, if I got MPlayer to work, Id prefer that..
[03:40] <qweqw> reinstall ubuntu, choose server instead of hitting enter
[03:40] <danko123456> but, it just dont work, and xine does.
[03:40] <qweqw> no annoying pointless graphical login screens
[03:40] <danko123456> yeah?
[03:40] <qweqw> no packages that you don't need
[03:40] <t3hEthan> no graphical anything, right?
[03:40] <Fufachew> does the unbuntu 5.04 live CD also function as an install CD?
[03:41] <qweqw> nothing
[03:41] <t3hEthan> no
[03:41] <danko123456> You can install it I think...
[03:41] <t3hEthan> no, it doesn't fufa
[03:41] <qweqw> basic system tools, that's it
[03:41] <danko123456> isnt there a way?
[03:41] <Shachaf> qweqw: Are you talking to vomitron?
[03:41] <qweqw> i guess
[03:41] <qweqw> i dunno
[03:41] <jiyuu0> guys... i'm making this Unofficial UbuntuGuide 5.04 Add-On CD Guide
[03:41] <jiyuu0> any inputs?
[03:41] <jiyuu0> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=30147
[03:42] <Shachaf> jiyuu0: Drop one of the "guide"s.
[03:42] <qweqw> ubuntu should come with porn
[03:42] <qweqw> no doubt about it
[03:42] <t3hEthan> apt-get install porno
[03:42] <qweqw> pornix
[03:42] <Eighth> imagine the XEyes applet :)
[03:42] <jiyuu0> Shachaf, i think it sounds weird too
[03:43] <qweqw> E: Couldn't find package porn
[03:43] <danko123456> haha
[03:43] <qweqw> LIAR
[03:43] <t3hEthan> # apt-get install hustler-greatest-hits
[03:43] <t3hEthan> Reading package lists... Done
[03:43] <t3hEthan> Building dependency tree... Done
[03:43] <t3hEthan> E: Couldn't find package hustler-greatest-hits
[03:43] <qweqw> oh wait
[03:43] <danko123456> Eighth: the xeyes looking at your porn?
[03:43] <qweqw> forgot an o
[03:43] <danko123456> right
[03:43] <t3hEthan> brb
[03:43] <danko123456> porno, the porno
[03:43] <danko123456> jiyuu0: sweet
[03:44] <qweqw> if it it's not hot man-woman-dog-pig sex, i don't want to see it
[03:44] <danko123456> you making a with cd kinda manual?
[03:44] <jiyuu0> yub
[03:44] <qweqw> on top of that, there better be some japanese bitches vomitting on eachother
[03:44] <jiyuu0> a cd with all the packages and a manual
[03:44] <sock> everytime i try to use apt-get, it gives me the "dpkg interrupted" crap.... whatdo i do now?
[03:44] <danko123456> We love your ubuntuguide:)
[03:44] <jiyuu0> thanks :)
[03:44] <qweqw> quit hitting ctrl+c
[03:44] <danko123456> no, thank you!
[03:44] <danko123456> dude
[03:44] <jiyuu0> :)
[03:45] <danko123456> 20:44:47) qweqw: on top of that, there better be some japanese bitches vomitting on eachother
[03:45] <qweqw> that's kind of vague, sock
[03:45] <nickrud> for the deprave among you, i offer pornview - Image and movie viewer/manager
[03:45] <danko123456> really, nickrud? lets all go get it.
[03:45] <nickrud> danko123456, I have more immediate needs than porn :)
[03:45] <danko123456> hehe
[03:46] <danko123456> there raelly is a program called that.
[03:46] <nickrud> danko123456, aptj-get it
[03:46] <danko123456> I did
[03:46] <danko123456> ")
[03:46] <qweqw> vomitting on eachother, in a bath tub.. then they scoop some of the floating bits of an unidentifiable fish.. which they eat
[03:46] <danko123456> is it bad if it is run as root?
[03:46] <danko123456> jj
[03:47] <qweqw> if you haven't seen that video on the internet, you have not experienced the true power of expression that the internet offers
[03:47] <qweqw> damn redundant
[03:47] <qweqw> damnit
[03:48] <qweqw> also, the one where the dude is laying on his stomach, and a woman with high-heels is stomping on his balls
[03:48] <danko123456> hey, why is my sound not working?
[03:48] <danko123456> ahhhh
[03:48] <qweqw> setmixer -V
[03:48] <danko123456> that hurts all the way here
[03:48] <qweqw> cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp
[03:48] <nickrud> qweqw, your first friend with soud problems is alsamixer
[03:48] <qweqw> what's that
[03:49] <qweqw> ahh
[03:49] <nickrud> it's the lowest level sound control availble to you
[03:49] <danko123456> it is playing, and it worked earlier
[03:49] <qweqw> i doubt it
[03:49] <danko123456> it is not mutwed
[03:49] <nickrud> danko123456, do lsof | grep /dev/dsp
[03:49] <Nula> why isn't asound.conf the standard way of mixing audio in linux?? this thing is incredible.. not sync/lag problems like ESD and aRTS
[03:50] <qweqw> wtf is this confusing graphical bullshit
[03:50] <nickrud> if esd is bound, it's probably muted somewhere :)
[03:50] <qweqw> give me numbers, damnit
[03:50] <qweqw> ASCII text
[03:50] <danko123456> yeah, somewhere
[03:51] <nickrud> danko123456, there are several volume controls: master, pcm, and others that can cause problems
[03:51] <danko123456> esd        7910   dbernar1    5w      CHR       14,3                7436 /dev/dsp
[03:51] <danko123456> i dont know, I didnt turn off anything that I remember
[03:51] <danko123456> im checking the wiring
[03:51] <nickrud> danko123456, :)
[03:51] <qweqw> just make sure pcm is at 50 or so, and volume the same
[03:52] <danko123456> are those ok?
[03:52] <danko123456> the stats there?
[03:52] <qweqw> what
[03:52] <danko123456> esd        7910   dbernar1    5w      CHR       14,3                7436 /dev/dsp
[03:52] <nickrud> I use 90, but 50 is good if you use a manual volume controle
[03:53] <danko123456> oh, well, what the heck, ill just reboot my comp...
[03:53] <danko123456> :)
[03:53] <revelater> hey all, xine just crashed on me, i hit ctrl + alt + F1, how do i get back?
[03:53] <nickrud> revelater, alt-ctl-f7
[03:53] <revelater> k thanks
[03:53] <qweqw> same thing, f7
[03:53] <danko123456> nothing
[03:53] <qweqw> ctrl+alt+f7
[03:53] <Wammy> ive stup the wireless, interface wlan0 has IP address, and a route and everything
[03:54] <Wammy> but it still wont connect to my network
[03:54] <danko123456> youre close.
[03:54] <danko123456> :)
[03:54] <qweqw> sounds like a conundrum alright
[03:55] <CitizenKane> i have a question for anyone who might know it, i am having trouble playing movies using MPlayer, I really don't know how to set it up, if i could get any help i'd appreciate it
[03:55] <qweqw> what sort of troubles
[03:55] <danko123456> how about other progs, CitizenKane
[03:55] <danko123456> ?
[03:55] <danko123456> does another program play movies?
[03:55] <goldfish> vlc !
[03:55] <goldfish> oh
[03:55] <goldfish> nm
[03:55] <Brunellus> darn.  wammy's gone
[03:56] <Brunellus> and I was going to ask him how he got his wlan0 up and running
[03:56] <danko123456> goldfish: :)
[03:56] <CitizenKane> what would be wrong with vlc?
[03:56] <goldfish> :)
[03:56] <danko123456> he'll be back
[03:56] <goldfish> nothing
[03:56] <qweqw> if you are trying to play proprietary compression schemes, containers, etc then you will need the win32codecs
[03:56] <nickrud> CitizenKane, have you done  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[03:56] <ahuman01> It seems I've lost the Konqueror side panel ... how to get it back ?
[03:56] <danko123456> CitizenKane: what nickrud said
[03:56] <qweqw> and a 32 bit environment
[03:57] <nickrud> 32 bits matters :)
[03:57] <danko123456> #kubuntu for ahuman01
[03:57] <danko123456> zerokarmaleft: hi.
[03:57] <CitizenKane> i haven't, i'll give it a try
[03:57] <danko123456> do that
[03:57] <nickrud> CitizenKane, th
[03:57] <qweqw> mplayer is the best out of them all
[03:57] <nickrud> at's the first step for any ubuntu install
[03:57] <qweqw> if you can get it working, stick with it
[03:58] <danko123456> it is also hardest to get working
[03:58] <t3hEthan> back
[03:58] <nickrud> CitizenKane, and after you do that, apt-get install mozilla-mplayer
[03:58] <zerokarmaleft> danko123456, hullo
[03:58] <Hobocop> hey citizenkane
[03:58] <Hobocop> :)
[03:58] <para> hallo!!
[03:58] <danko123456> there is no sound
[03:59] <para> kann einer deutsch hier und dazu mir noch helfen in sachen ubuntu?
[03:59] <qweqw> in space, no one can hear you scream
[03:59] <Hobocop> yet
[03:59] <t3hEthan> para
[03:59] <t3hEthan> joinen ubuntu-de
[03:59] <qweqw> auf reichen
[03:59] <qweqw> oust
[03:59] <danko123456> keine
[03:59] <t3hEthan> nein spreche Deutsch
[04:00] <WW> qweqw: in space, no one can hear your sarcasm
[04:00] <para> thx
[04:00] <danko123456> bitte
[04:00] <qweqw> i am not sarcastic
[04:00] <danko123456> sure you are
[04:00] <danko123456> :p
[04:00] <qweqw> no
[04:00] <WW> qweqw: I know... I'm not sure what that meant.
[04:00] <qweqw> i am a very intensely serious person
[04:01] <qweqw> everything is monumentally important
[04:01] <t3hEthan> INdeed.
[04:01] <Hobocop> INTERNETS ARE SERIOUS BUISNESS :):)
[04:01] <nickrud> sarcasm, indeed
[04:01] <t3hEthan> Dude, hobo, you're 19 right?
[04:01] <Hobocop> yes boy
[04:01] <t3hEthan> You act like you're like 13 >.<
[04:01] <Janux> nickrud, hi, that doesn't work, it doesn't show chinese even I restarted
[04:01] <danko123456> wow...a 1.4.2 java package for PPCubuntu
[04:01] <Hobocop> do you want me to buy you cigarettes
[04:01] <jfarrell> hey all I need some help adding to sources.list.  I need a repo that supports older version of software, specifically I am looking for libgtkhtl3.2
[04:01] <Hobocop> what no this is my internet personality
[04:01] <jfarrell> *libgtkhtml3.2
[04:01] <t3hEthan> Nice
[04:01] <jfarrell> -dev
[04:02] <Hobocop> you must peer through the mysts of time and space
[04:02] <nickrud> Janus, wait a sec
[04:02] <Brunellus> OK.  I'm going to go to bed witht his thing still broken.
[04:02] <qweqw> don't risk your life with tobacco, kids
[04:02] <Brunellus> damn you, upgrade-dist!
[04:02] <jfarrell> current version of the repo is 3.6
[04:02] <t3hEthan> Nah, I don't smoke. Shit don't even get ya high
[04:02] <Hobocop> tobacco is a fun and addictive substance
[04:02] <qweqw> i thought it was dist-upgrade!
[04:02] <Hobocop> :)
[04:02] <Brunellus> well, whichever
[04:02] <qweqw> no wonder my packages never update
[04:02] <jfarrell> anyone got a clue they can hit me with
[04:02] <danko123456> yeah, the one that screwed you up
[04:02] <qweqw> jfarrell, it was colonel mustard
[04:02] <danko123456> a clue...a shoe?
[04:02] <danko123456> haha
[04:03] <Brunellus> there.
[04:03] <danko123456> not rreally funny
[04:03] <jfarrell> no but seriously, just need a repo that has older version of libraries
[04:03] <danko123456> I mean, my sentence..
[04:03] <jfarrell> I think it would be universe
[04:03] <jfarrell> but I uncommented and apt-get broke
[04:03] <t3hEthan> "apt-get update"?
[04:03] <Brunellus> OK.  I'm going to bed.
[04:03] <jfarrell> t3hEthan, no I dont want to update, I want get an older version of something
[04:03] <t3hEthan> No
[04:03] <nickrud> Janux, try joining #ubuntu-zh, they will know more than I
[04:04] <t3hEthan> It updates your repositories
[04:04] <qweqw> you want to sync sources.list with the index files on your system
[04:04] <qweqw> RIGHT?
[04:04] <jfarrell> ohh
[04:04] <t3hEthan> apt-get upgrade modifies your pkgs
[04:04] <t3hEthan> yay!
[04:05] <qweqw> i hate asian midgets
[04:05] <nickrud> jfarrell, if you want old packages, take a look at archives.ubuntu.com/pool
[04:05] <Janux> nickrud, thanks but they seem like not replying
[04:05] <qweqw> it doesn't get any worse than that
[04:05] <jfarrell> nah that worked
[04:05] <Janux> qweqw, what's midgets?
[04:05] <gp_aaron> j/w what wm, de does every one run?
[04:05] <nickrud> Janux, the people who know don't seem to be around right now, maybe #ubuntu-devel can help
[04:05] <qweqw> they work on railroads, JanC
[04:05] <Pops> hello
[04:05] <Hobocop> whats midgets?
[04:05] <Hobocop> lmao
[04:05] <qweqw> damnit
[04:05] <Janux> nickrud, ic..thanks
[04:06] <art> I am new to linux, and i have a sound blaster live card when i try to play music it tells me there is a conflict or it is not configured correcctly, help me please
[04:06] <qweqw> ok
[04:06] <qweqw> try this
[04:06] <qweqw> smash your head against the keyboard five times
[04:06] <Pops> anyone here that could help me with installing ubuntu on a computer?
[04:06] <qweqw> then spin around until you fall
[04:06] <qweqw> then ask that question again
[04:07] <nickrud> and ignore the sarcasm :)
[04:07] <qweqw> ok, art
[04:07] <qweqw> fuck, where do you even start with something like that
[04:07] <Janux> qweqw, hey, I don't know if you are serious or not, but please do not laugh at other races when they don't know much, okay?
[04:08] <qweqw> are you saying other races are dumb?
[04:08] <qweqw> that's just wrong, man
[04:08] <nickrud> art, could you give us the exact error, as long as it's not more than three lines long
[04:09] <Pops> anyone here that could help me with installing ubuntu on a computer?
[04:09] <qweqw> seriously though, Janux
[04:09] <qweqw> i am not making fun of anyone
[04:09] <nickrud> Pops, what's your particular question?
[04:09] <qweqw> i certainly hope the asian midgets who frequent this channel were not offended
[04:09] <goldfish> LOL
[04:10] <art> Can't find a suitable libao driver. (Is device in use?)
[04:10] <Pops> when I try to install it it boots from the cd
[04:10] <Pops> asks for boot
[04:10] <t3hEthan> hit enter
[04:10] <Pops> I hit enter for default
[04:10] <qweqw> art, apt-cache search libao
[04:10] <lexhider> is sarge->hoary upgrade supported?
[04:11] <nickrud> lexhider, I've heard of people doing it, but usually from unstable
[04:11] <qweqw> oh yeah, open a terminal window
[04:11] <wastrel> ubuntu 100%
[04:11] <qweqw> at the prompt, type apt-cache search libao
[04:11] <decaf> lexhider: I personally dont recommend that way
[04:11] <t3hEthan> why're you angry?
[04:11] <Pops> it says loading isolinux: disk error 10, AX = 42B3, drive EF
[04:11] <art> qweqw, i did that and installed libao2 still no go
[04:11] <nickrud> lexhider, but the results are not defined :)
[04:11] <qweqw> hmm
[04:12] <nickrud> Pops, you have a bad cd, try burning another
[04:12] <tsume> watching animal planet
[04:12] <qweqw> what does it say when you cat /dev/urandom >/dev/dsp
[04:12] <transgress> okay so ubuntu comes with LVM but does it use it by default or what?
[04:12] <transgress> because my partitions don't look like they are using LVM
[04:12] <wastrel> what's LVM
[04:12] <lexhider> nickrud:thanks
[04:12] <tsume> these two pitbulls have the mange very badly :( Humanity for all living species!
[04:12] <qweqw> i think it autoruns cds and whatnot
[04:12] <tsume> damn human :(
[04:13] <qweqw> never heard of it before i saw it on ubuntu
[04:13] <tsume> ubuntu actually means specisist ;)
[04:13] <hybrid>  /NETSPLIT
[04:13] <dazzed> its netsplitting again
[04:13] <hybrid> no
[04:13] <Pops> think I should redownload it and then re burn the cd?
[04:13] <tsume> its alindeman's fault ;)
[04:13] <oasiao> yo
[04:13] <tsume> alindeman: oops, didn't know you were here :)
[04:13] <dazzed> grrr
[04:14] <art> qweqw no such device
[04:14] <hybrid> it said tyope /NETSPLIT so i did
[04:14] <cens0red> this chan is ridiculously big.
[04:14] <qweqw> dizam
[04:14] <qweqw> ls /dev/dsp*
[04:14] <cens0red> you should split it up into #ubuntu-newby
[04:14] <cens0red> #ubuntu-server
[04:14] <tsume> cens0red: no
[04:14] <cens0red> #ubuntu-developer
[04:14] <tsume> cens0red: #python is like that, its annoying
[04:14] <cens0red> tsume ok.
[04:14] <hybrid> cens0red: how many ppl are in here "estimate"
[04:14] <|QuaD-> cens0red: #ubuntu=devel exists
[04:14] <t3hEthan> 497
[04:14] <|QuaD-> *#ubuntu-devel
[04:15] <tsume> cens0red: I've to join _both_ channels, which doesn't solve the problem. It only replicates it
[04:15] <t3hEthan> it says right over in the corner
[04:15] <art> i get /dev/dsp  /dev/dsp1
[04:15] <cens0red> tsume been a while since I've been to #python. All they ever say there is "twisted".
[04:15] <qweqw> try cat /dev/urandom >/dev/dsp1
[04:15] <qweqw> just to be certain
[04:15] <cens0red> |QuaD- oh cool!
[04:16] <qweqw> doubt that will result in anything different, but who knows
[04:16] <Hider> hello
[04:16] <qweqw> art, it's a sound blaster live.. that's it? the entire name
[04:16] <qweqw> ?
[04:16] <t3hEthan> Hey Hider-person
[04:17] <Hider> I have a question
[04:17] <Hider> I can't use my cdrw under linux
[04:17] <hybrid> Hider: most of us do
[04:17] <hybrid> ^have a question
[04:17] <art> it shows it as sb Live EMU10K1
[04:18] <qweqw> where does it say that at
[04:18] <t3hEthan> why not?
[04:18] <art> in device manager, but i am not certain, didn't look in pc
[04:18] <t3hEthan> whats it doin
[04:18] <art> Device manager
[04:18] <hybrid> Hider: what kind of cdrw
[04:18] <qweqw> wtf is the device manager
[04:18] <Hider> ide cdrw
[04:18] <Janux> I have a question guys, if I run the file browser in Ubuntu, it says "starting file browser" but then it doesn't show up and it stops running and when I run "ps -A", it shows  that Nautilis is still running, what does that mean?
[04:18] <art> it is in ubungtu
[04:18] <hybrid> Hider: usb?
[04:18] <Hider> cdrecord -scanbus does see
[04:18] <Hider> nope
[04:18] <hybrid> ubungtu
[04:18] <hybrid> lol
[04:18] <t3hEthan> apt-get install k3b
[04:19] <transgress> apt-get install gnomebaker
[04:19] <Hider> I did all those
[04:19] <hybrid> Hider: so it is internal but not recognized
[04:19] <hybrid> ?
[04:19] <treke|home> grrrr. had everything working, then I went and replaced the machine. bad move :p
[04:19] <Hider> it insists on it's not a cdrw
[04:19] <qweqw> you can specify the device directly
[04:19] <qweqw> cdrecord dev=/dev/hdX
[04:19] <art> the command /dev/urandom >/dev/dsp1 just hangs
[04:19] <tsume> :( what in the hell are wrong with people :(
[04:19] <qweqw> really
[04:19] <t3hEthan> what's wrong tsume
[04:19] <qweqw> it just sits there?
[04:19] <hybrid> Hider: will it let you write with it
[04:19] <art> yeah
[04:19] <art> never returns
[04:19] <oasiao> ...
[04:20] <qweqw> if so, that means a device is associated with it
[04:20] <tsume> t3hEthan: I'm watching animal planet
[04:20] <tsume> t3hEthan: the Animal Cops show is on
[04:20] <hybrid> wtf it keeps netsplitting?
[04:20] <tsume> hybrid: alindeman's fault, ask him
[04:21] <tsume> t3hEthan: people are starving the dogs, and what was really sad were teh 2 pitbulls who might have to be put down because the mange is so bad on them :(
[04:21] <tsume> t3hEthan: really sad.
[04:21] <t3hEthan> aww! :(
[04:21] <tsume> they looks like dried up mummies
[04:21] <qweqw> otherwise it would fail
[04:21] <qweqw> check your volume and pcm, connections, et
[04:21] <qweqw> c
[04:21] <qweqw> check your volume and pcm, connections, etc
[04:21] <art> I can boot knoppix cd and it works
[04:21] <qweqw> apparently it's on dsp1
[04:21] <hybrid> another
[04:22] <hybrid> ??????
[04:22] <t3hEthan> sha-boom
[04:22] <gratuit> anyone know of a way to delay a command by a few seconds? i.e. I type somthing, and then the command I want to run is executed 30 secs later
[04:22] <nickrud> dazzed, it will happen cuz you said so :)
[04:22] <qweqw> art?
[04:22] <art> yeah
[04:22] <dazzed> nickrud: of course!
[04:22] <qweqw> did you check your volume, pcm, and all that?
[04:22] <nickrud> gratuit, I think you need wait
[04:22] <WW> gratuit: sleep 30; command
[04:22] <qweqw> make sure it's loud enough to hear
[04:22] <art> what is PCM
[04:23] <art> but volume ok
[04:23] <Hider> hey no idea of why it's not working?
[04:23] <wastrel> h00t
[04:23] <art> PCM ok
[04:23] <art> conections ok, still don't nkow what pcm is
[04:23] <qweqw> turn everything to 50
[04:23] <nickrud> if it wasn't for rhythmbox, I'd say lynch colin walters :)
[04:23] <art> but remember with me the program will not start playing fails before it starts
[04:24] <qweqw> that's because they tend to default to the first dsp
[04:24] <art> how can i change it to the second?
[04:25] <qweqw> recompile?
[04:25] <nickrud> art, the simplest way is to blacklist the first
[04:25] <qweqw> not sure, actually
[04:25] <art> hhow do i blacklist the first?
[04:25] <qweqw> you could just link dsp to dsp1
[04:25] <art> I am really new
[04:25] <Hider> is there a discussion room that I can talk about this damn cdrw problem?
[04:25] <nickrud> art, do you know what the first card is?
[04:25] <wastrel> Hider:  try #linuxhelp
[04:25] <art> no,
[04:25] <qweqw> nothing
[04:26] <YuWei> hi
[04:26] <oasiao> So can i use python with glade
[04:26] <nickrud> art, ok, do 'lspci' (no ticks) and look for the info that tells you about your sound cards
[04:26] <nickrud> tell me which one you want, and the one you don't want
[04:26] <qweqw> there is no device attached to dsp0
[04:27] <nickrud> qweqw, ? I came in late
[04:27] <qweqw> yup, it's pointing to nothing
[04:27] <nickrud> lsof | grep /dev/dsp?
[04:27] <qweqw> but he can cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp1
[04:27] <qweqw> and it accepts it, though no sound
[04:27] <xMaximex> If i change my motherboard, do i need to reinstall ubuntu ?
[04:27] <nickrud> art, try, in a terminal, 'esd'
[04:28] <art> lsof | grep /dev/dsp
[04:28] <art> cat       8967       root    1w      CHR      14,19               7851 /dev/dsp1
[04:28] <qweqw> xMaximex, probably
[04:28] <qweqw> unless each reboot goes through all the modules
[04:28] <art> esd no such device
[04:28] <nickrud> art, let's go back to lspci, start from the ground :)
[04:28] <YuWei> I tried to play a .asf file in my xine player, but it pop up a problem when loading the tsccvid.dll decode lib which is already in /use/lib/win32, could anybody help with that?
[04:29] <art> 0000:01:0a.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Live! EMU10k1 (rev 07)
[04:29] <qweqw> er..
[04:29] <art> that is the on that i want
[04:29] <nickrud> art, and there's no onboard sound?
[04:29] <art> no
[04:29] <HrdwrBoB> art: if there is a builtin soundcard, ensure it is disabled in the bios
[04:29] <qweqw> which part is the error message, yucek
[04:29] <qweqw> damnit
[04:29] <qweqw> YuWei,
[04:30] <YuWei> ok, hand on, i will copy it
[04:30] <nickrud> art, HrdwrBoB knows more about hardware than I do :)
[04:31] <art> ok well thank you guys for the help
[04:31] <qweqw> i interpreted everything after "decode lib" as your own comment
[04:31] <qweqw> good luck, arbscht
[04:31] <qweqw> xchat name completion sucks bad
[04:31] <HrdwrBoB> art: can you lsmod and put the output on pastebin
[04:31] <HrdwrBoB> as well as lspci
[04:32] <nickrud> thanks, HrdwrBoB
[04:32] <HrdwrBoB> np
[04:32] <t3hEthan> Hardware Bob gets a cookie.
[04:32] <YuWei> it says "the stream '/home/alex/desktop/1.asf' use an unsupported code: video codec: TechSmith Screen Capture Codec(win32) (tscc)
[04:32] <art> i am not sure what lsmod is and pastebin
[04:32] <qweqw> a cookie for two lines
[04:33] <qweqw> i should have a crate full of cookies
[04:33] <qweqw> i was just as unhelpful
[04:33] <abstractism> hey all
[04:33] <HrdwrBoB> art: run 'lsmod'
[04:33] <HrdwrBoB> pastebin.com
[04:33] <mae> wondershaper rocks!
[04:33] <HrdwrBoB> you can put the output there and it will give you a link to show me what it is
[04:33] <qweqw> and you say you already have the win32 codecs installed?
[04:33] <YuWei> yes qweqw
[04:34] <YuWei> i can find the tsccvid.dll file in my /usr/lib/win32
[04:34] <qweqw> you might want to check the settings, to see if you can tell it which directories to look in for libraries
[04:35] <YuWei> the directory i set is the same as the file located
[04:35] <qweqw> what are the permissions on the file
[04:35] <mae> hm
[04:35] <wastrel> what's wondershaper
[04:36] <YuWei> re-r--r-- root
[04:36] <YuWei> rx-r--r-- root
[04:36] <qweqw> did you try it as root
[04:36] <joe|code> has anyone gotten eclipse working on ubuntu?
[04:36] <qweqw> playing the file, that is
[04:36] <art> hwdwrbob it is out ther
[04:36] <YuWei> no
[04:36] <YuWei> thx
[04:37] <qweqw> i don't know if they have to be executable or not, so you might want to try that first
[04:37] <HrdwrBoB> art: give me the link :)
[04:37] <fateisajester> i have heard of a program that will allow you to virtually boot windows through linux.... similar to cygwin for windows
[04:37] <fateisajester>  what is it and where can i get it?
[04:37] <art> http://www.pastebin.com/276999
[04:37] <wastrel> you're talking about that vmware thing
[04:37] <wastrel> or wine?
[04:38] <fateisajester> no...not wine
[04:38] <HrdwrBoB> art: ahh
[04:38] <HrdwrBoB> art: what USB devices do you have
[04:38] <fateisajester> ill look up vmware
[04:38] <HrdwrBoB> a USB handset or something?
[04:38] <fateisajester> thx
[04:38] <qweqw> YuWei, if that works chmod 555 all the codecs you'll need
[04:38] <HrdwrBoB> snd_usb_audio          60224  2  <- that is your problem
[04:38] <art> mouse, camera
[04:39] <HrdwrBoB> art: unplug the camera, reboot, and it will work
[04:39] <HrdwrBoB> then plug the camera in
[04:39] <qweqw> lol
[04:39] <drcode> hi all
[04:39] <drcode> any one have play with wine?
[04:39] <HrdwrBoB> that is the easiest way to fix it
[04:39] <qweqw> sometimes, it's good not to have all your hardware automagically detected..
[04:39] <art> thank you easy fix. great
[04:39] <embsupafly> hello all! I am trying to install ubuntu on a second machine with a D-Link DWL-G510 Card (Wireless). During the Ubuntu install, it errors "Network card not identified", how do I get it to find the wireless nic during install?
[04:39] <art> thanks qweqw for you time too, Sprechen Sie Deutch
[04:39] <tirian> drcode: played with it but haven't used it for anything useful.
[04:40] <qweqw> i did my best, sorry it wasn't good enough
[04:40] <HrdwrBoB> mein deutch is schlecht
[04:40] <drcode> k
[04:40] <HrdwrBoB> +s
[04:40] <qweqw> enjoy the music
[04:41] <qweqw> beer need beer
[04:41] <qweqw> where's it at
[04:42] <dazzed> qweqw: my house ;)
[04:42] <nickrud> in my hand, and you can't have any
[04:42] <Cowlike> atp-get install beer
[04:42] <qweqw> i'll be heading over there after i polish off these first 12 or so
[04:42] <wastrel> i'm sleepy
[04:42] <qweqw> i drive better drunk
[04:42] <WW> in space no one can drink your beer
[04:42] <nickrud> qweqw, if you're in socal, someday :)
[04:43] <qweqw> radical
[04:43] <nickrud> sarcasm = good
[04:43] <qweqw> i never go anywhere even remotely exotic
[04:43] <qweqw> not that california is exotic
[04:43] <qweqw> which is why i said remotelty
[04:43] <qweqw> so
[04:43] <HrdwrBoB> I'm in exotic melbourne
[04:44] <wastrel> that's exotic
[04:44] <qweqw> damn canadians..
[04:44] <wastrel> heh
[04:44] <Amaranth> melbourne isn't in canadia
[04:44] <qweqw> huh
[04:44] <nakata> don't mind him, he's a stupid american :D
[04:44] <qweqw> yes it is
[04:44] <nickrud> melbourne ne exotic, omaha eq exotic
[04:44] <nakata> hehe.
[04:45] <qweqw> they live in igloos and have pet wallabees
[04:45] <Amaranth> omaha?
[04:45] <qweqw> i know what the fuck i'm talking about
[04:45] <Amaranth> nickrud: You're in omaha?
[04:45] <qweqw> whoa, omaha
[04:45] <qweqw> forgot it existed
[04:45] <nickrud> no, it's the best antithesis I could think of to melbourne :)
[04:45] <Amaranth> heh
[04:45] <embsupafly> I am trying to install ubuntu on a second machine with a D-Link DWL-G510 Card (Wireless). During the Ubuntu install, it errors "Network card not identified", how do I get it to find the wireless nic during install?
[04:45] <WW> next to maui?
[04:46] <nickrud> oops
[04:46] <wastrel> mutual of omaha's wild kingdom
[04:46] <nickrud> :)
[04:46] <qweqw> how many miles from melbourne to sydney???? can i get there today???
[04:46] <jldugger> embsupafly, during install? you need the madwifi package...
[04:46] <abbot45> hey guys.  im looking for a imagemagick-dev package but its not in the repository.  can anyone tell me where i can get it?
[04:47] <qweqw> download the imagemagick source
[04:47] <embsupafly> jldugger: how do you get the madwifi package during install?
[04:47] <pat> hey all
[04:47] <jldugger> embsupafly, donno. i just used an onboard port =(
[04:47] <qweqw> what libraries does imagemagick use?
[04:47] <HrdwrBoB> libmagick++6-dev
[04:47] <HrdwrBoB> ?
[04:47] <abbot45> qweqw: is it included in the regular package?
[04:47] <qweqw> get the -dev files for that
[04:48] <qweqw> well, yeah
[04:48] <qweqw> that's how it can compile
[04:48] <Cowlike> is this is?  libmagick++6-dev
[04:48] <HrdwrBoB> qweqw: it's a long  days drive from melb-> syd
[04:48] <HrdwrBoB> or a few hours on a plan
[04:48] <Cowlike> it's in "universe"
[04:48] <abbot45> ill try that
[04:48] <wastrel> <3 imagemagick
[04:48] <qweqw> oh well, just goes to show you how little i know about geography
[04:48] <treke|home> anyone ever had problems with mail not leaving the postfix queue while using procmail on hoary for amd64?
[04:48] <qweqw> i forget which cities are like 3408723894738947 miles apart
[04:49] <HrdwrBoB> qweqw: perth is a billion k's from anywhere
[04:49] <Amaranth> qweqw: A city on jupiter?
[04:49] <nickrud> since I haven't been to either omaha or melbourne .....
[04:49] <qweqw> ouch
[04:49] <qweqw> take turns on the quips next time
[04:50] <nickrud> quips are often self destructive :)
[04:50] <qweqw> that's why i carry a gun
[04:50] <qweqw> i can defend myself against others, and myself
[04:50] <nickrud> that's why I learned to say, oops
[04:50] <nickrud> and hope for the best
[04:51] <qweqw> no way
[04:51] <wastrel> you live in florida?
[04:51] <qweqw> never admit you're wrong, unless you aren't
[04:51] <wastrel> You put an uncursed thoroughly rusty +1 pair of gauntlets of power into the bag
[04:51] <wastrel> called holding.
[04:52] <qweqw> the psychiatrist told me i was a danger to myself
[04:52] <qweqw> hence the firearm
[04:52] <nickrud> wise man
[04:52] <qweqw> it's all about personal responsibility
[04:52] <qweqw> people aren't going to take care of your problems for you
[04:53] <qweqw> woman, btw
[04:53] <qweqw> she was no help
[04:53] <qweqw> didn't even get a valium out of her
[04:53] <nickrud> now I'm getting freaked out
[04:54] <qweqw> need to find a quack
[04:54] <nickrud> :)
[04:54] <qweqw> alright
[04:54] <oasiao> mmm valium
[04:54] <qweqw> b double e double run
[04:54] <qweqw> beer run.. beer run..
[04:54] <qweqw> yeah
[04:55] <oasiao> its the caffiene
[04:55] <qweqw> how the hell am i supposed to sleep after doing ecstasy without valium?
[04:55] <oasiao> O
[04:55] <danko123451> o_O
[04:55] <WW> all you need is a ten and a fiver...
[04:55] <qweqw> eh
[04:55] <nickrud> prices in england must be high
[04:56] <tonquin> hey i'm just getting started with Ubuntu.   wanted to upgrade the skype to 1.1   so i did but it doesn't work so i went "uninstall" it but some removed it (i guess)  from Synaptic...any idea how i can get it back :P
[04:56] <qweqw> they get it for cheap
[04:56] <danko123451> tonquin: get what, skype back into your synaptic?
[04:56] <qweqw> i just thought of a new life goal
[04:56] <nickrud> WW, as a personal test, are you in the UK (the fiver reference)
[04:57] <WW> nickrud: Nope... just quoting the song.
[04:57] <nickrud> k, wondering
[04:58] <qweqw> i have been wondering
[04:58] <danko123451> uh ph
[04:58] <qweqw> why did luke skywalker get a mechanical hand?
[04:58] <tonquin> danko123451  yes  its still listed there but its "empy" now
[04:58] <qweqw> you would think that with that type of technology, it would be cheaper and easier just to grow one
[04:59] <danko123451> tonquin: there http://ubuntuguide.org/#skype
[04:59] <tonquin> danko123451:  thanks
[04:59] <danko123451> sure
[04:59] <danko123451> bookmark the page
[04:59] <danko123451> read what it can do for you...
[04:59] <qweqw> does freenode have any SSL enabled servers?
[05:01] <tirian> qweqw: Nope. http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#sslaccess
[05:01] <Boohbah> qweqw: why does irc over ssl even make a difference? are you worried about man in the middle attacks?
[05:02] <Viper12> Well, this is not good.  ibm e-server.  1 ide drive with 2 scsi. ubuntu installation is smooth....but on reboot, I get a 1962 Drive does not contain valid boot sector.  No errors on initial installation. (the ide drive contains ext3 'data' I do not want to lose, but is not a part of the boot process. (ubuntu lives on scsci drives.)
[05:04] <mikerobi> Viper12: did you install onto existing partitions?
[05:04] <qweqw> Boohbah, 'cause i can connect through tor and the exit server can't read the data they are transmitting
[05:04] <qweqw> in case a global ban ensues in some future time
[05:04] <Viper12> the scsi drives had a hoary beta....but were both erased and setup from scratch.  the ide device is setup as ext3 and was used to 'backup' the data needed for the full release install of hoary.
[05:05] <qweqw> plus, sometimes anonymity is good
[05:06] <danko123451> like qweqw
[05:06] <nickrud> I have a thing about anonymity
[05:06] <qweqw> too bad IIP is no longer working
[05:06] <qweqw> this is my real ip address, danko123451
[05:06] <qweqw> do you object to anonymity?
[05:07] <nakata> #tor
[05:07] <Viper12> mikerobi, any ideas?
[05:07] <nickrud> qweqw, I just erased my last statement on that :)
[05:07] <nickrud> qweqw, I abused anonymity about 20 years ago on bbs's, and have learned my lesson
[05:08] <qweqw> i'm all for very good anonymity as the default mechanism of the internet
[05:08] <qweqw> it's increasingly necessary, IMO.
[05:08] <cevans> Is the Xsession session option in GDM not included in Hoary?
[05:09] <qweqw> these days, we are seeing more and more intrusive legislation.. i think it's obvious someone is trying to consolidate power
[05:09] <nickrud> anonymity is protection, not a license
[05:09] <qweqw> i'm not concerned about what people do with it
[05:10] <nickrud> qweqw, neither am I, I'm only concerned about myself
[05:10] <oasiao> :(
[05:10] <qweqw> then having the choice to be nobody should be welcome
[05:10] <oasiao> im concerned about u
[05:11] <danko123451> well...privacy, anonimity, and security...
[05:11] <Viper12> Are there any mods in channel this evening?  I'm curious, because this room is sooo far OFF topic its not funny.
[05:11] <danko123451> you are a nobody to most ppl
[05:11] <^thehatsrule^> lol
[05:11] <nickrud> YES, anonymity is important, necessary, and a requirement
[05:11] <qweqw> sure am
[05:11] <qweqw> i would like to be sure that i stay that way
[05:11] <nickrud> google rich rudnick nickrud
[05:11] <danko123451> Viper12: no.
[05:11] <nickrud> I'll live with it
[05:11] <Viper12> figures
[05:12] <wastrel> <3 anonymity
[05:12] <Absenth> Evening all.
[05:12] <danko123451> Viper12: sure does...
[05:12] <danko123451> hi Absenth
[05:12] <qweqw> yeah, where's the good stuff nickrud
[05:12] <oasiao> new york new york city of dreams , everything in new york isnt always what it seems
[05:12] <stevenj> I wonder why the new openoffice 1.1 update is 1.1.3 and not the lastest stable 1.1.4?
[05:12] <oasiao> damn im bored
[05:13] <wastrel> mmm new ooffice i should download that
[05:13] <nickrud> qweqw, the good stuff, I'll never tell, cuz I'm ashamed, to be blunt
[05:13] <danko123451> hehe, nickrud
[05:13] <qweqw> ditto on that one
[05:13] <qweqw> lol
[05:13] <stevenj> wastrel, it appears to be the same version---maybe just fixes to 1.1.3---strange
[05:14] <danko123451> isnt it like 2.0 ne beta release?
[05:14] <cevans> Does anyone know why GDM would no longer have an option to use my ~/.xsession for the session?
[05:14] <djones> hi Absenth
[05:14] <Absenth> This has been a productive week.
[05:15] <danko123451> really? I never noticed...
[05:15] <danko123451> :)
[05:15] <crimsun> cevans: you don't have a "default system session" option?
[05:15] <qweqw> nothing quite like trolling usenet while fucked up on numerous drugs..
[05:15] <qweqw> i recommend it
[05:15] <cevans> crimsun: Oh, the name changed?
[05:15] <Absenth> Re-installed, and repaired my windows xp install....  Re-installed ubuntu on the same computer (removable hard drives)....  and Friday night I get to purchase, and isntall OSX Tiger on the ibook.
[05:15] <cevans> crimsun: thanks
[05:16] <qweqw> but i guess geeks value their brain cells a bit more
[05:16] <Amaranth> Absenth: I hate you. :/
[05:16] <Absenth> Amaranth, I get that a lot.
[05:16] <re|run> yo, djones! (or, ahem Dr. Jones -- lol) I have the same crazy wireless degrading problem. is there anyone who is aware of an issue with ubuntu wireless? what I'm experiencing is *really* weird.
[05:16] <crimsun> somehow I don't envy Absenth :-)
[05:16] <qweqw> lol
[05:17] <qweqw> wtf is up with these wireless ethernet cards
[05:17] <qweqw> are you the same person over and over again, re|run
[05:17] <djones> re|run: didn't you just fix this?
[05:17] <wastrel> i like the lunix
[05:17] <bluefoxicy> http://opensource.org/trademarks/osi-certified/web/transparent/osi-certified-600x500-t.png
[05:17] <Absenth> Amaranth, I can make it worse by saying a just turned in my two weeks notice on the $38k network engineer job.  to get a 40K + commission Network Administrator job.
[05:17] <tonquin> me again.  my audio is broken somehow i think. i can play CD's but when i run Audacity i get "Error initializing Audio" :(
[05:17] <oasiao> re| run , ah i get it lol
[05:17] <bodaciousb> can anyone tell me what this command should look like? : rpm -Uvh msfonts-*.rpm
[05:17] <crimsun> tonquin: pgrep esd
[05:17] <oasiao> -_-
[05:18] <re|run> qweqw: no. I've only asked this question once.
[05:18] <tonquin> thx
[05:18] <crimsun> bodaciousb: you should be using msttcorefonts from multiverse.
[05:18] <re|run> djones: no.
[05:18] <bodaciousb> well the apt-get cant get the msttcorefonts
[05:18] <crimsun> bodaciousb: see what I just typed :)
[05:18] <re|run> it's the weirdest thing.
[05:18] <Absenth> bodaciousb, add multiverse to your /etc/apt/sources.list  and "sudo apt-get install msttcorefonts"
[05:19] <djones> re|run: nevermind qweqw, he's trolling.
[05:19] <re|run> If I mess with it repeatedly I can get it to work --- but it's totally random.
[05:19] <tonquin> crimsum: it returns  8672
[05:19] <bodaciousb> Absenth, how do i add multiverse to sources.list?
[05:19] <re|run> it works for a while, then it stops.
[05:19] <danko123451> bodaciousb: THIS CAlls for a http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[05:19] <Absenth> www.ubuntuguide.org  :)
[05:19] <re|run> then I can't get it at all for awhile...
[05:19] <Absenth> What he said.
[05:19] <bodaciousb> ok
[05:19] <crimsun> tonquin: then you need to ,,pkill esd'' before starting audacity, since audacity needs /dev/dsp access, which esd takes
[05:19] <elcu> why don't they but the guide in the channel topic
[05:19] <qweqw> dude, re|run .. that made no sense at all
[05:20] <djones> re|run, have you tried a different card?
[05:20] <bloc76> i booted from a live cd on my mac. How do I  mount the hard drive?
[05:20] <re|run> it's not a card. it's centrino.
[05:20] <crimsun> elcu: because ubuntuguide is not official
[05:20] <danko123451> it is, elcu
[05:20] <Absenth> Amaranth, I do like OS-X quite a bit.  with FINK, and the Darwin X11 it's even pretty useful.
[05:20] <danko123451> it is inthe topic, isnt it?
[05:20] <crimsun> elcu: note that it's linked from sites that _are_ in the topic
[05:20] <danko123451> Absenth: right now on a 12" iBook running Ubuntu:P
[05:21] <Absenth> danko123451, G4 ibook + airport Extreme = linux sucks.
[05:21] <elcu> crimsun: it would still help.  i reference it for almost every second answer
[05:21] <danko123451> it was there, crimsun
[05:21] <djones> re|run, do you have wifi card at your disposal?
[05:21] <danko123451> it was there recently, I saw it.
[05:21] <re|run> uh, yeah
[05:21] <indigirl1> runs great on a toshiba satellite laptop, including wifi
[05:21] <Absenth> danko123451, actually it's apples falt, not any of the linux distros faults.
[05:21] <elcu> crimsun: ah, goodo
[05:21] <bloc76> does anyone know how to mount the ibook hd from a live cd boot?
[05:21] <danko123451> fault is a funny word
[05:21] <crimsun> danko123451: yes, I'm aware. The decision to remove it was not mine, but it makes sense from a "supported" perspective.
[05:21] <djones> re|run, I'm wondering if it isn't a driver issue
[05:21] <danko123451> I never got that Mac hard drive mounting down
[05:22] <danko123451> sure
[05:22] <Absenth> danko123451, I suppose I could slap in the Micro$oft usb PrismII card to run Ubuntu....  there's a bit of irony....  apple computer, Linux Os, MS network card...  :)
[05:22] <re|run> djones: I had that thought... i couldn't properly set up another card. it just acted really weird.
[05:22] <danko123451> crimsun: just noting the fact that it was there, cause I said it was there now.
[05:22] <danko123451> Absenth: the irony is all mine...
[05:22] <danko123451> :)
[05:22] <re|run> djones: but I don't really know how to set one up -- lol
[05:23] <djones> re|run, are you in linux now?
[05:23] <re|run> yep... on 2 cpus
[05:23] <djones> sweet
[05:23] <danko123451> can you mount the apple partition to a linux, Absenth?
[05:23] <pochi> how long does it take to aquire my copy from shippit?
[05:23] <Absenth> danko123451, my dlink prismII has been all hacked up to accept other antennas, which works great for driving around, but not so great for sitting at a coffee shop checking my mail.
[05:23] <re|run> the weird thing is that it's actually *working* right now.
[05:23] <qweqw> what
[05:23] <elcu> pochi: depends where you are apparently
[05:23] <qweqw> is working
[05:23] <crimsun> pochi: anywhere from a few weeks to several months depending on the order size and location
[05:24] <djones> yeah, that makes it hard to diagnose.  I used to have a car that would only work when I took it to the shop to have it looked at.
[05:24] <re|run> djones: but it's totally inconsistent
[05:24] <Absenth> danko123451, never bothered to load linux on the apple, as the airport extreme isn't supported, and I never use the notebook near any avalible RJ45s
[05:24] <bodaciousb> Absenth, ubuntoguide.org looks entirely different than what i have in my sources.list
[05:24] <oasiao> ...
[05:24] <oasiao> do not go to the room named secret
[05:24] <qweqw> re|run, so it's completely random
[05:24] <oasiao> channel
[05:24] <Absenth> bodaciousb, did you put ubuntuguide.org in your web browser, and read about "extra sources"
[05:24] <qweqw> no cause..
[05:24] <Absenth> or whatever it's called :)
[05:24] <qweqw> ?
[05:25] <danko123451> bodaciousb: is your Ubuntu Warty?
[05:25] <bodaciousb> Sorry guys, it is the same
[05:25] <bodaciousb> it looked different =)
[05:25] <pochi> i made an order a month ago and still hasnt recieve any.. im from the philippines anyway..
[05:25] <danko123451> ok...
[05:25] <danko123451> :)
[05:25] <danko123451> id wait a bit more..
[05:25] <crimsun> pochi: I'd be worried if my order hasn't arrived in 4 months :)
[05:25] <djones> re|run, I don't know what I can do to help, but you should join the list-serv, It's really active, and allot of knowlegable people subscribe.
[05:25] <elcu> pochi: i've been told mine will take 10 weeks to get here in aus.  an easier way is to just burn the ISO.
[05:26] <fateisajester> has any one here been able to get the java desktop environment thing to with ubuntu?
[05:26] <crimsun> fateisajester: which one?
[05:26] <fateisajester> to work*
[05:26] <qweqw> why waste your money?
[05:26] <danko123451> Java RE>
[05:26] <crimsun> fateisajester: I've used Eclipse and Netbeans both under Warty and Hoary.
[05:26] <danko123451> ?
[05:26] <fateisajester> hold on.... ill get the name
[05:26] <danko123451> you do that:P
[05:27] <djones|sleep> night all
[05:27] <bloc76> danko123451, do you know of a page that tries to explain how to mount the mac hd?
[05:27] <qweqw> nighty night, don't let the bed bugs bite
[05:27] <foxiness> i want to own the subdirectories on /home/foxiness "the folder and file[and "." stuff]  form /root" ? am tried "chown -R foxiness"
[05:27] <re|run> djones: wow. nevermind on the card --- it worked instantly.
[05:27] <re|run> djones: yeah, I'll join the list-serv.
[05:27] <qweqw> what voodoo did you do
[05:27] <danko123451> no, bloc76 let me know if you can google one up for us.
[05:27] <Absenth> so Does anyone know if there is a functioning 3d Desktop manager for me to play with?
[05:27] <bloc76> danko123451, i'm looking now :)
[05:27] <crimsun> foxiness: it's a bad idea to chown stuff in /root
[05:27] <fateisajester> JD4X
[05:28] <qweqw> they all suck, abarbaccia
[05:28] <qweqw> Absenth,
[05:28] <danko123451> chown -R /home/foxiness?
[05:28] <Absenth> or are they all still being talked about, and not really in development.
[05:28] <pochi> will i be able to get the latest release(5.04) since i made an order before it was released?
[05:28] <bodaciousb> i got the fonts all installed guys, thanks
[05:28] <foxiness> crimsun, this stuff on /home/foxiness "not on /root"
[05:28] <Absenth> qweqw,  can you share some examples?  I'm curious how they are implemented.  Don't care really if they suck or not :)
[05:28] <danko123451> hehe, there was some mention on what is the cutoff date for Hoary
[05:29] <crimsun> foxiness: (...so why mention /root in your question?)
[05:29] <qweqw> i've tried a couple of them, over the years
[05:29] <fateisajester> crimsun: its called JD4X
[05:29] <crimsun> fateisajester: I've no experience with that, sorry.
[05:29] <danko123451> chown -R /home/foxiness?
[05:29] <fateisajester> http://jdx.sourceforge.net/
[05:29] <elcu> pochi: you'll almost certainly get it.  it jsut might take a while. :) i'd cut them some slack.  they're sending t for free after all.
[05:29] <danko123451> what is that, fateisajester?
[05:29] <qweqw> let me check freshmeat
[05:30] <fateisajester> some sort of java desktop environment
[05:30] <crimsun> foxiness: things in $HOME should already be owned by your user:group
[05:30] <fateisajester> like kde or gnome
[05:30] <foxiness> crimsun, becouse this file from /root folder
[05:30] <pochi> ok..thank you guys...
[05:30] <oasiao> http://linuxreviews.org/features/3ddesktop/
[05:30] <qweqw> although, your definition of 3d might be different than mine.. i've seen some good attempts at depicting depth and transparency
[05:30] <oasiao> but im not sure about it , never used it
[05:30] <crimsun> foxiness: just one file? sudo chown user somefile
[05:30] <stevenj> what do I need to install to start writing and learning C programming?
[05:30] <qweqw> but not a full blown 3d desktop, file manager, etc
[05:30] <foxiness> danko123451, i will tried it now
[05:30] <qweqw> gcc
[05:31] <qweqw> stazz,
[05:31] <qweqw> damnit
[05:31] <qweqw> install gcc
[05:31] <danko123451> chown -R foxiness /home/foxiness?
[05:31] <elcu> stevenj: manpages-dev would be useful
[05:31] <crimsun> stevenj: a couple good C resources, namely the K&R book (bible), a C compiler (try gcc from build-essential), and man pages (see openbsd.org's manual pages section)
[05:31] <goldfish> apt-get build-essential
[05:31] <bloc76> has anyone dual booted with os x?
[05:31] <stevenj> crimsun, thanks
[05:32] <re|run> bluetooth question: what would cause the bluetooth manager to freeze at 5% detection every time?
[05:32] <Viper12> mikerobi, if you're still here, I figured it out.  the ide drive needed to have the bootable flag set...it wasn't..............late night moronics at work.
[05:32] <danko123451> bloc76: me
[05:32] <bloc76> danko123451, did it work well?
[05:32] <paulproteus> bloc76: I did, too.
[05:32] <danko123451> works fine, yes
[05:32] <bloc76> cool, i think i'll do it
[05:32] <foxiness> crimsun, not one file "huge" stuff
[05:32] <paulproteus> Then I dropped my iBook and started getting bad sectors. (-;
[05:32] <danko123451> It is kinda tricky to install....what wwas it...
[05:32] <bloc76> my os x installed got screwed so I need to reinstall anyway
[05:32] <crimsun> foxiness: all under one subdirectory in your user's home dir?
[05:32] <amonkey> is there any known problem wiht dvd-rw's in ubuntu? mine was working under windows and won't recognize media when i try to burn with it.
[05:32] <foxiness> danko123451, this will not work on subdir
[05:33] <Viper12> g'nite all.
[05:33] <danko123451> first install the OSX...and make partitions with the OSX installer
[05:33] <Absenth> What I wanna know is how long you apple guys think it'll take me to pull the 30gb out of my 12" ibook, and install a 100gb
[05:33] <danko123451> Leave a small one at the first spot...
[05:33] <bloc76> danko123451, i think you just need to create a partition of linux before you install os x
[05:33] <foxiness> crimsun, no
[05:33] <bloc76> danko123451, does that sound right?
[05:33] <Absenth> the online guides all make it look like a bitch.  :/
[05:33] <paulproteus> Absenth: I haven't checked the guides Apple puts online.
[05:33] <stevenj> crimsun, thats the kind of book I have been looking for---ordering it now
[05:34] <bloc76> Absenth, i have a 20gig in my ibook :(
[05:34] <danko123451> bloc76: something along those lines..
[05:34] <danko123451> bloc76: you need a small partition left empty at the beginning..
[05:34] <danko123451> bloc76: then lilo can sit itself there..
[05:34] <Absenth> I don't really need to dual boot my ibook.  I can't think of a single piece of software I'd use that doesn't run under OS-x
[05:34] <danko123451> a new world partiion.
[05:34] <bloc76> danko123451, ok
[05:35] <danko123451> Absenth: I agree..somewhat..
[05:35] <qweqw> heh.. the 3d desktops are so unpopular that the only one  on freshmeat is no longer there
[05:35] <bloc76> Absenth, some things i like better in linux
[05:35] <Absenth> I just want 100gb so I can keep a crapload of music and such on there for when I'm out and about (which for work is a lot of the time)
[05:35] <danko123451> its not so much a programm issue...
[05:35] <bloc76> Absenth, for instance kate
[05:35] <bloc76> i use it for most of my coding
[05:35] <foxiness> crimsun, all file on /root am copy it to /home/foxiness "all stuff" "3Gb"
[05:35] <bloc76> basically, i'd much rather code in linux
[05:35] <Frail> hi everyone
[05:35] <paulproteus> bloc76: "The core is hard with this one."
[05:35] <goldfish> hi Frail
[05:35] <danko123451> more like a looks thing
[05:35] <foxiness> hi Frail
[05:35] <Absenth> bloc76, I primarily use Ethereal, Etherape, Kismac, tcpdump, ssh, and the like on my ibook.
[05:35] <bloc76> paulproteus, ?
[05:35] <danko123451> hi Frail
[05:36] <paulproteus> bloc76: I was trying to say something about being hard-core, but it didn't work. ;)
[05:36] <danko123451> etherape?
[05:36] <bloc76> lol
[05:36] <kevman> The Universe package servers are down :/
[05:36] <Absenth> bloc76, less frequently Safari, and the NeoOffice?  (mac openoffice project)
[05:36] <crimsun> foxiness: cd && cp -a /root/{"all stuff","3Gb"} .
[05:36] <bloc76> paulproteus, it's not hardcore, there are just more tools for coding on linux
[05:36] <danko123451> hehe safari
[05:36] <danko123451> I use camino myself
[05:36] <foxiness> crimsun, :)
[05:36] <danko123451> and AdiumX thats a nice piece of software
[05:37] <Absenth> danko123451, it's in Synaptic after you load up the other sources if you wanna take a look.  It's pretty cool.
[05:37] <qweqw> Absenth, here's one.. never used it and the screenshot does not impress me.. here ya go anyway - http://freshmeat.net/projects/metisse/
[05:37] <bloc76> i had a bitch of a time getting python-mysql installed on mac os
[05:37] <qweqw> there's another one, amiga 3d desktop i believe it was
[05:37] <qweqw> don't see it on freshmeat
[05:37] <Absenth> Camino and Firefox seemed slow compaired to safari.  I really prefer the Mozilla stuff, but....
[05:37] <qweqw> it was not really usable, either
[05:37] <fateisajester> can i have both j2sdk and j2re on my system?
[05:37] <Absenth> thanks qweqw
[05:38] <danko123451> qweqw: its like that new thing...whhats it called
[05:38] <qweqw> transparency?
[05:38] <fateisajester> or can i get rid of j2re?
[05:38] <crimsun> fateisajester: yes, but if you have the former, you don't need the latter separately because it's already included
[05:38] <danko123451> nah...
[05:38] <qweqw> project something or other
[05:38] <danko123451> that whole big thing...
[05:38] <qweqw> i think
[05:38] <Cowlike> sdk includes the jre
[05:38] <nickrud> luminocity ...
[05:38] <crimsun> project looking glass?
[05:38] <fateisajester> ok
[05:38] <fateisajester> thanks
[05:38] <karsten> Is there a breakdown anywhere of key departures of Ubuntu from Debian stock?
[05:38] <qweqw> yep
[05:38] <danko123451> you can have both...
[05:38] <qweqw> that's it
[05:38] <crimsun> karsten: perhaps on the wiki
[05:38] <danko123451> only one should be referenced in /etc/bash.bashrc
[05:39] <qweqw> http://www.sun.com/software/looking_glass/
[05:39] <qweqw> that as well, Absenth
[05:39] <tirian> looking glass is really slow for me.
[05:39] <karsten> crimsun: I'm hitting the faq...
[05:39] <eruin> looking glass both looks and sounds silly to me
[05:39] <danko123451> fateisajester: once you install it...put something like JAVA_HOME=/usr/jv
[05:39] <danko123451> export JAVA_HOME
[05:39] <danko123451> PATH=$PATH:JAVA_HOME/bin
[05:39] <danko123451> export PATH
[05:40] <Absenth> Interesting.
[05:40] <qweqw> i think it is
[05:40] <qweqw> i don't need depth
[05:40] <qweqw> i like 2d
[05:40] <fateisajester> ok...thanks
[05:40] <Absenth> Metisse looks pretty old.  neat concept, but not the way I think I'd do things.
[05:40] <amonkey> where can i get another d?
[05:40] <danko123451> whats that new thing called, qweqw?
[05:40] <karsten> crimsun: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/relationship/document_view
[05:40] <danko123451> that OS thing
[05:40] <karsten> crimsun: Is there a channel bot here?
[05:40] <qweqw> dunno
[05:41] <qweqw> damn, i had something to say
[05:41] <crimsun> karsten: an unofficial one, I think
[05:41] <danko123451> like a whole OS, multi user..3d...
[05:41] <qweqw> longhorn?
[05:41] <qweqw> lol
[05:41] <karsten> crimsun: Does it have a name?
[05:41] <danko123451> hass that alice in wonderland little representation of characters..
[05:41] <Absenth> project looking glass has potential I think, but I'll wait and see before playing with it myself.
[05:41] <danko123451> lol
[05:41] <nickrud> qweqw, have you tried checking out luminocity with floppy windows? now that's useful use of 3d
[05:41] <karsten> crimsun: ...or should I address my questions to the-bot-which-shall-be-nameless?
[05:41] <qweqw> ahh
[05:41] <Absenth> longhorn?  Bah.....  more like MS Bob
[05:41] <qweqw> luminocity
[05:41] <Absenth> :P
[05:41] <crimsun> karsten: yes, but I don't remember its name, sorry
[05:41] <eruin> I just really, really hate java
[05:41] <qweqw> that's right, saw it on slashdot
[05:42] <amonkey> i remember ms bob, that was pretty cool while it lasted
[05:42] <Absenth> danko123451, you find Etherape?
[05:42] <qweqw> i saw a demo of multi-layered monitors for true depth, as well
[05:42] <karsten> bob2: Could you add bot(s) to /topic?
[05:42] <danko123451> anyone know what that whole OS that is like 3d and multiuser, its all nice windows in 3d, you move from one computer to another seamlessly called?
[05:42] <karsten> danko123451: HollywoodOS?
[05:42] <danko123451> nah
[05:42] <Absenth> danko123451, http://etherape.sourceforge.net
[05:42] <trans_err> danko123451: looking glass
[05:42] <nickrud> qweqw, use jhbuild to get it, it's painless, and promising
[05:43] <danko123451> it hass a name like croquet
[05:43] <crimsun> Amaranth: were you running an infobot here in #ubuntu?
[05:43] <danko123451> there, I remembered
[05:43] <karsten> danko123451: ...or GTA.
[05:43] <danko123451> croquet
[05:43] <Cowlike> eruin: you grow to like it a bit more when you need to do huge, enterprise apps :)
[05:43] <danko123451> check that out, Absenth
[05:43] <danko123451> croquet
[05:43] <qweqw> i'll check it out.. start messing with it tomorrow.. thanks for the info ;)
[05:43] <eruin> Cowlike: I'm thinking more from a user's perspective though
[05:44] <qweqw> i've been awake for so long that i am hallucinating smoke rising off of every surface
[05:44] <qweqw> good night
[05:44] <eruin> oh, blimey
[05:44] <danko123451> good night
[05:44] <Cowlike> qweqw, make sure you don't have a fire going there!
[05:44] <eruin> its almost 0600
[05:44] <nickrud> qweqw, enjoyed talking
[05:44] <danko123451> make sure its not a fire
[05:44] <danko123451> exactly, Cowlike
[05:44] <Absenth> danko123451, now that's cool.....  I'm going to have to play with that once I start my new job, and have some free time.
[05:44] <eruin> right, sod this, I'm off ;)
[05:44] <Frail> alright.. which one of you lucky ones are up for a newbie question?
[05:44] <danko123451> you saw it?
[05:45] <crimsun> karsten: another method is grepping for an info bot in fabbione's logs for #ubuntu at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/
[05:45] <Absenth> danko123451, yeah, it's opencroquet.com or net
[05:45] <danko123451> there is a screenshot section
[05:45] <Absenth> danko123451, looks pretty interesting.
[05:45] <karsten> crimsun: Point
[05:45] <jackmacokc> frail: just fire it out there
[05:45] <Frail> alrighty
[05:45] <danko123451> yeah, it will look more so in about 5 years or something
[05:46] <danko123451> but that looking glass Sun thing looks similar
[05:46] <Absenth> We'll see
[05:46] <Absenth> First I get to wrap my head around administering a mixed windows/Unix network.
[05:47] <StR> hi there....
[05:47] <danko123451> hi right back at ya
[05:47] <danko123451> :)
[05:47] <StR> in synaptic.... the installed (local or obsolete) can be removed?
[05:47] <Absenth> I'm inhertiting a network who's previous admin didn't want to know how to manage DNS servers, or anything that wasn't windows.  so all the websites and e-mail addresses we host, have DNS hosted by either Register.com or GoDaddy.
[05:47] <jackmacokc> oh god
[05:48] <jackmacokc> thats aweful
[05:48] <karsten> Absenth: Take four ...
[05:48] <karsten> Absenth: Tum, tum tum tum...
[05:48] <Absenth> karsten, I'll take two more after I duct tape my head back together.
[05:48] <jackmacokc> as your doctor, i recommend you drink this bottle of tequila and call me in the morning
[05:48] <karsten> jackmacokc: He can't see the bats.
[05:48] <karsten> jackmacokc: ...and it's "as your lawyer".
[05:49] <Absenth> hey even that's better then doing deskside support for 300 users in a government job.
[05:49] <Absenth> which is the job I'm leaving.
[05:49] <jackmacokc> karsten: whatever..you get the point ;)
[05:49] <Absenth> heh Absinthe might.
[05:49] <karsten> jackmacokc: Damned straight and RIP.
[05:49] <stevenj> can anyone recommend ajunta dev?
[05:50] <karsten> Absenth: I think I've got it...
[05:50] <karsten> Absenth: you maketh the heart grow fonderth.
[05:50] <jackmacokc> i have a feeling frail is going to lay a big paragraph on us
[05:50] <b0urn3> can someone tell me how to get to the desktop preferences in Hoary?
[05:50] <mae> whats an easy to use commandline tool for runlevel services manipulation..
[05:51] <crimsun> mae: update-rc.d
[05:51] <Absenth> so Ubuntu as an internet DNS server.......  good, Bad or Indiffrent.
[05:51] <jackmacokc> b0urn3: which part of the desktop
[05:51] <barto-kun> how do you use scp to copy a file with spaces in it?
[05:51] <danko123451> b0urn3: yeah, what do you want to customize>
[05:51] <crimsun> Absenth: as with anything, depends on the admin
[05:51] <karsten> mae: update-rc.d
[05:51] <barto-kun> I've tried \, I've tried quotes, it treats every word as a separate file :\
[05:51] <danko123451> data\ structures\ and\ algorithms.pdf
[05:52] <karsten> Absenth: Sure.  Install bind9.  Chroot it if you're smart.
[05:52] <danko123451> oh, ok
[05:52] <b0urn3> i was going to change my icon set....i found on the 2.6 documentation something about "desktop preferences" being located in the applications menu
[05:52] <Absenth> crimsun, last few servers running BIND I managed were OpenBSD.  I'm likely to stick with that.
[05:52] <crimsun> Absenth: go with what gives you the fewest headaches
[05:52] <pixil9> or freebsd works
[05:52] <danko123451> icon set...
[05:52] <barto-kun> "scp 192.168.0.69:Desktop/gorillaz\ -\ feel\ good.mov ." results in "scp: Desktop/gorillaz: No such file or directory"
[05:52] <karsten> Absenth: It's pretty much the same code.  I've had my say on OpenBSD vs. Debian (or Ubuntu as it were).  If you're comfortable with OBSD, use it.
[05:52] <jackmacokc> System -> Preferences -> Theme is probably where you want to go
[05:52] <Absenth> well anything this side of microsoft has got to be better then using Register.com for $35 a year.
[05:53] <crimsun> barto-kun: only quote the filename, not the entire command
[05:53] <karsten> barto-kun: Quote the filename.
[05:53] <karsten> barto-kun: "scp 192.168.0.69:'Desktop/gorillaz\ -\ feel\ good.mov' ."
[05:53] <transgress> okay lets try again... there an easy way to install LVM with ubuntu?  or is it manually like most other distro's atm?
[05:53] <b0urn3> hmm...its not ther
[05:53] <karsten> barto-kun: ...it's getting expanded by the shell on the _other_ end, so you have to double-quote it.  Or use something else (lftp, mc) to grab it.
[05:54] <danko123451> b0urn3: which icons
[05:54] <danko123451> ?
[05:54] <jackmacokc> b0urn3: System -> Preferences -> Themes -> Theme Details -> Icons
[05:54] <danko123451> the ones for your folders?
[05:54] <crimsun> transgress: for a fresh install? Just choose expert mode.
[05:54] <barto-kun> karl: thanks muchly, works :)
[05:54] <barto-kun> damn nick completion
[05:54] <barto-kun> karsten rather
[05:54] <transgress> crimsun: awesome... i was hoping there was a choice... thanks.
[05:54] <karsten> barto-kun: NP ;-)
[05:54] <karl> (nick completion is evil! but they never listen to me)
[05:55] <karl> (and I like the blue highlighting too)
[05:55] <danko123451> hehe
[05:55] <b0urn3> ah ha....one more thing....can i run nautillus with permissions to write to certain folders without using sudo and the command line to do everything?
[05:55] <StR> anyone could help me tryiing to install/remove java?
[05:55] <transgress> because i'm about to install a 300 gig hard drive on this computer in the next couple months... don't feel like making a new partition for it when something as cool as lvm is around
[05:55] <pixil9> what is LVM
[05:55] <transgress> !google lvm
[05:55] <karsten> barto-kun: Another trick is to cat the remote file and pipe result locally:  ssh user@remotehost 'cat <filename>' > localfile
[05:55] <transgress> oh yeah this isn't the channel with the google bot
[05:55] <StR> I'm having problmes with apt-get install java-common
[05:55] <jackmacokc> b0urn3: Applications -> System Tools -> Root Terminal
[05:56] <karsten> karl: Sure.  You're just namesquatting me ;-)
[05:56] <karsten> transgress: #debian I think.
[05:56] <beowuff> Why can't I run a .sh from a cdrom?!? I set /dev/hdd to 770 and am using sudo to run it...
[05:56] <karsten> pixil9: LVM == logical volume manager.
[05:56] <transgress> karsten: would be fitting of them.  i do heart my debian folk...
[05:56] <b0urn3> thanks.....i appreciate the help
[05:57] <jackmacokc> no problemo
[05:57] <danko123451> b0urn3: http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[05:57] <karsten> beowuff: Is it mounted 'noexec'?
[05:57] <danko123451> maybe....
[05:57] <StR> I get:
[05:57] <StR> Removing sun-j2re1.4.2 ...
[05:57] <StR> rm: cannot remove `/usr/bin/ControlPanel': No such file or directory
[05:57] <karsten> beowuff: bash -f <file> will run as well, regardless of exec bit.
[05:58] <beowuff> karsten No, it's not noexec...
[05:58] <beowuff> bash -f apears to be working. thanks.
[05:58] <karsten> beowuff: chmoding the mountpoint / device has no effect, settings are governed by the disk's own internal FS permissions.
[05:58] <transgress> so is like new OOo not going to be GPL'd?
[05:58] <karsten> beowuff: NP.
[05:59] <|QuaD-> transgress: why wouldn't it be?
[05:59] <karl> karsten: if I'm namesquatting, you could identify and kill me.....
[05:59] <transgress> |QuaD-: well there is a vote on newsforge asking about should there be a fork of OOo since it's using proprietary java code in the new version
[06:00] <HrdwrBoB> transgress: that's a complicated issue.
[06:00] <|QuaD-> transgress: the code is still all opensource i thouhgt, just java isn't opensource
[06:00] <barto-kun> yeah, it's open source code that relies on proprietary code
[06:01] <pixil9> no
[06:01] <|QuaD-> so that is still open source
[06:01] <karsten> karl: I've been known to do that.  You're typosquatting, not namequatting per se.
[06:01] <pixil9> it's all closed source
[06:01] <Absenth> google is a wonderful thing.
[06:01] <danko123451> heh
[06:01] <barto-kun> maybe they'll try and get it working on the gnu's free java platform
[06:01] <karsten> karl: Eg: I log on.  Hrm.  Nick's taken.  /msg karsten "I'll have my name back now" /msg nickserv recover karsten ******** ...
[06:01] <barto-kun> there they = OOo
[06:02] <Absenth> if you're ever sniffing on a switched lan, and see something with _MSBRO.  It's the MS Browser.....  not that anyone here really cares....
[06:02] <HrdwrBoB> barto-kun: no, it's more complicated than that too
[06:02] <HrdwrBoB> Absenth: yes it's SMB
[06:02] <HrdwrBoB> or 'CIFS'
[06:02] <danko123451> Absenth: might come in ahndy..
[06:02] <danko123451> or not...
[06:03] <danko123451> is it like, totally commplicated?
[06:03] <danko123451> cause that is what it sounds from what youve been telling us, HrdwrBoB
[06:03] <Absenth> has to do with the master browser, and trying to keep up to date with what SMB resources are avalible.....
[06:04] <Absenth> If we ever master implanting computers into our heads, I'm going to try really hard to have all of google downloaded into my skull.
[06:05] <HrdwrBoB> danko123451: openoffice doesn't totally rely on java
[06:05] <HrdwrBoB> some features (though large features) rely on java
[06:05] <HrdwrBoB> there are different implementations of java
[06:05] <karsten> Absenth: Have you heard the joke about the American, the German, and the Japanese businessman on the golf course?
[06:05] <HrdwrBoB> and the spec is open
[06:05] <|QuaD-> HrdwrBoB: right
[06:05] <pixil9> The american falls and breaks his neck because he's a retard
[06:05] <HrdwrBoB> however sun's license agreement causes problems with distributing java
[06:05] <HrdwrBoB> so the whole thing is a terrible mess
[06:06] <Coily> what's firefox's version of signon.txt (where the saved username/password entries are stored)
[06:06] <karsten> Absenth: http://www.humorshack.com/archive/jokes/computer/3.shtml
[06:06] <karsten> Absenth: ...you'll get to the fax bit in the end.
[06:07] <Coily> and by firefox's version i meant firefox for linux
[06:07] <calc> Coily: .mozilla/firefox/*profile*/signons.txt
[06:07] <Coily> not seein it there, calc
[06:07] <calc> Coily: its there on my box :)
[06:07] <Bachus9000> I've got a couple of questions, guys.  First of all.  Adjusting the mouse cursor size in System->Preferences->Mouse doesn't seem to do anything, even after logging out and/or rebooting.  Second, the openoffice.org-gtk package doesn't seem to work quite as advertised.  The color scheme matches GNOME, but the file open/save dialogs remain the old OO ones.   Speaking of which, is there a way to make Firefox use the gtk dialogs?
[06:07] <Coily> :O
[06:08] <calc> perhaps its dependent on version of firefox?
[06:08] <Coily> is it possible explore2fs is not reading it
[06:08] <calc> Coily: maybe
[06:08] <Coily> na its 1.3
[06:08] <^thehatsrule^> well its hidden...
[06:08] <karsten> Bachus9000: WRT the last, no, FFX uses its own widgets.
[06:08] <calc> last time i used explore2fs it ate my systems
[06:08] <calc> er system
[06:08] <Absenth> karsten, That's great.
[06:08] <^thehatsrule^> lol
[06:08] <Coily> lol seriously?
[06:08] <calc> Coily: yea but that was a few years ago
[06:08] <karsten> Bachus9000: ...there's a few GNOME browsers, Epiphany and Galeon among them.
[06:08] <karsten> Absenth: ;-)
[06:08] <calc> Coily: don't use it in write mode ;)
[06:09] <calc> at least unless it is much better now
[06:09] <Coily> heh good idea
[06:09] <danko123451> karsten: thats a funny joke...
[06:09] <Bachus9000> karsten, right, but so does OO and someone figured that one out.. :)
[06:09] <danko123451> somewhat
[06:09] <karsten> danko123451: Thanks.
[06:09] <Absenth> karsten, I think the blackberry is as connected as I'd like to get.
[06:09] <Coily> hm i guess explore2fs doesnt read hidden files
[06:09] <danko123451> you didnt write it...
[06:09] <Absenth> karsten, as far as in touch with others that is.
[06:09] <StR> where can I learn c#?
[06:09] <karsten> Bachus9000: Looks like there's an OOo build against GNOME.  FFX uses Xul AFAIU (and may be wrong).
[06:09] <transgress> StR:  don't.
[06:10] <limer> :D
[06:10] <StR> lol... sorry... wrong #channel
[06:10] <calc> Coily: it can't see the dotfiles in your home dir at all?
[06:10] <karsten> Absenth: Well, there's ways of being connected which are closer, but not electronically mediated.
[06:10] <limer> how do I change my keyboard to dvorak at the cli?
[06:10] <karsten> Absenth: Personally, I prefer a wall phone ;-)
[06:10] <karsten> limer: asdf
[06:10] <Absenth> karsten, I'm doomed to have brain, and hip cancer.  Worse things could happen.
[06:10] <Bachus9000> karsten, right.  Anyway, that was just something I was curious about.  My main concern is OO and the mouse cursor thing. :/
[06:10] <limer> I'm not *that* drunk karsten
[06:10] <limer> :P
[06:11] <transgress> no it was the right channel... because any right channel will tell you the same thing
[06:11] <karsten> Bachus9000: Not sure about the mouse.  Or OO.
[06:11] <Absenth> transgress, That's mean......  funny......  true.......  but mean.....  :)
[06:11] <karsten> Absenth: C sucks massive eggs.
[06:11] <Zerboxx> Hello, does anyone here use aMSN?  I have a question regarding one of it's features
[06:11] <Coily> dotfile as in filname dot extension?
[06:11] <transgress> C does not suck and you're a freak for saying so karsten
[06:11] <transgress> C# on the other hand
[06:11] <calc> Coily: anything starting with a dot eg .mozilla
[06:12] <karsten> transgress: Wrong C.
[06:12] <calc> Coily: hidden files on linux always start with a .
[06:12] <Coily> ah ok, actually i skipped that, those are hidden and yes they are being read
[06:12] <transgress> C# is the most bastardized form of C ever
[06:12] <|QuaD-> transgress: for making simple apps its great
[06:12] <karsten> transgress: Talking morbidity, not compsi.
[06:13] <Coily> so i guess firefox put it in some crazy place or explore2fs refuses to read  the file...
[06:13] <limer> how do I change my keyboard to dvorak at the cli?
[06:13] <pixil9> Can you type faster on a dvorak?
[06:13] <pixil9> never tried one
[06:13] <transgress> karsten: morbidity?
[06:14] <limer> pixil9: so it's said if you devote time to it
[06:14] <karsten> limer: There's a dvorak/qwerty keyboard changer in a package for Debian, I *think* dvorak7min, which toggles state on either asdf or qwert (and the dvorak equivs).
[06:14] <danko123451> StR: try ripping an eBook on it from Kazaa or the like
[06:14] <crimsun> dpkg-reconfigure console-data
[06:14] <karsten> limer: Otherwise, loadkeys (console) or xmodmap (X) are your friend.
[06:14] <Coily> oh well i guess firefox hates me :x
[06:14] <limer> pixil9: learning curve can bit a little higher if you know qwerty since you are used to one
[06:14] <karsten> transgress: Medicine.  C == cancer.
[06:14] <danko123451> i have some on my other machine...
[06:14] <transgress> karsten: oh... heh yeah
[06:15] <limer> karsten: I'm drunk and learning to type! :D
[06:15] <transgress> isn't it easier to say cancer in a channel of computer geeks?
[06:15] <karsten> transgress: Sometimes also 'ca'.
[06:15] <karsten> limer: You're halfway there.
[06:15] <limer> but I will *believe* I'm doing well
[06:15] <limer> that's what's important
[06:15] <karsten> limer: Which half is your own issue...
[06:15] <limer> *hic*
[06:15] <Absenth> limer if you ever wanna have a lot of fun, trade out your qwerty keyboard, with a german keyboard.
[06:15] <limer> ja
[06:16] <karsten> limer: 'typespeed' and 'ktouch' (or something like that in KDE) are also good training.
[06:16] <limer> I remember Brother T'Sober in wiz7
[06:16] <Absenth> limer, I used one at an internet cafe, and I think it's E and Z? (someone german correct me if I'm wrong) are swapped.
[06:16] <limer> :D
[06:16] <karl> z and something
[06:16] <limer> I had to learn that shift+0 was = for knoppix 3.8 cebit
[06:16] <abbot45> if you install a program from source it wont automaticly put it in the gnome menu right?
[06:17] <karl> the worst bit is alt-gr-2 for @
[06:17] <karsten> Absenth: German toggles 'y' and 'z'.  Also adds some shift chars for  umlaut, etc.
[06:17] <limer> or was that T'Shober
[06:17] <limer> my fav monk
[06:17] <pixil9> How can I edit my menu? Enemy territory added a link and I don't want it.
[06:17] <karsten> abbot45: No.  'man menus'
[06:17] <Zerboxx> Anyone able to help out with aMSN, I'm trying to get display pictures working, any help would be great.  Thanks!
[06:17] <Absenth> karsten, I knew it was Z and something I used semi frequently.
[06:17] <karl> all that cannot hear are not deaf!
[06:17] <karl> or somethingl
[06:17] <StR> danko123451: THANKS!
[06:17] <karl> munk, not monk
[06:17] <goldfish> amsn sucks
[06:17] <goldfish> tbh
[06:17] <Absenth> karsten, it took me a lot longer to type my two paragraph home then it should have.
[06:17] <karsten> abbot45: Um.  Wrong manpage...
[06:17] <limer> karl: yes, ty
[06:18] <abbot45> i was about to say.  thats not working.
[06:18] <limer> Slay not he that cannot hear
[06:18] <danko123451> StR: yeah, youre welcome
[06:18] <karsten> abbot45: 'menu' package.
[06:18] <danko123451> StR: that is somewhere I would look if I wanted to lesrn that
[06:18] <limer> cojured Mynxlynx
[06:20] <abbot45> karsten: got it.  is that gonna give me a gui or no?
[06:20] <karsten> abbot45: It'll tell you how to define your own menus.
[06:20] <fejaor> anyone who know 2 errors that I have on boot??
[06:20] <abbot45> ok
[06:20] <abbot45> ill look at the man page
[06:21] <limer> fejaor: I can't read your mind man
[06:21] <fejaor> pnp: PnPACPI:METHOD_NAME_ _ CRS failure for PNP0C01
[06:21] <fejaor> pnp: PnPACPI:METHOD_NAME_ _ CRS failure for PNP0C02
[06:21] <karsten> fejaor: User?
[06:21] <karsten> fejaor: Do you have PnP OS enabled in BIOS?  If so, disable.
[06:21] <fejaor> what's PnP??
[06:22] <limer> damn, I'm too drunk to get "me" right
[06:22] <pixil9> fuck
[06:22] <danko123451> haha
[06:22] <karsten> fejaor: Plug'n'Pray.  A/K/A Plug'n'Play
[06:22] <danko123451> are you alone?
[06:22] <pixil9> I want to edit my damn gnome menu
[06:22] <pixil9> :(
[06:22] <Absenth> alright sleep time.  see everyone sometime later :)
[06:22] <jordanau> karsten, hahaha
[06:23] <jordanau> Absenth, goodnight
[06:23] <fejaor> jajajajaja
[06:23] <danko123451> bye Absenth] 
[06:23] <fejaor> ok
[06:23] <fejaor> does that affect to anything else in order of performance or any othe problem?
[06:23] <pixil9> Does totem-xine use w32codecs?
[06:23] <danko123451> try it, try it[
[06:23] <limer> fejaor: pnp = plug n play
[06:24] <danko123451> how do you want to edit it???
[06:24] <fejaor> karnsten, does that affect to anything else in order of performance or any other problem?
[06:24] <karsten> fejaor: Could be your error message is pretty immaterial.  If nothing's broken, don't worry about it.  In general, LInux works better with BIOS PnP disabled.
[06:24] <fejaor> mmm ok
[06:24] <karsten> pixil9: If you install them it will.
[06:24] <fejaor> karsten, but does that affect my windows performance??
[06:25] <danko123451> pixil9: what do yoou want to edit?
[06:25] <karsten> pixil9: Get 'em from Malirat (modulo spelling).
[06:25] <dougsk> karsten, thanks for the typespeed tip
[06:25] <karsten> fejaor: I don't know or care.
[06:25] <fejaor> jajajajaja
[06:25] <fejaor> ok
[06:25] <karsten> fejaor: You may have to manually configure IRQs in windows.
[06:25] <pixil9> danko: It added a "Other" section and added Enemy Territory to it.
[06:25] <pixil9> I want it gone
[06:25] <fejaor> just wondering cause I have both OS
[06:25] <karsten> dougsk: NP.
[06:25] <karsten> dougsk: Careful in educational / kid environments.  The wordlist isn't entirely appropriate.
[06:26] <dougsk> karsten, will keep that in mind
[06:26] <karsten> dougsk: You can manually edit it, textfile.  Should probably file a bug on it.
[06:26] <dougsk> karsten, no worries at the moment it's for me!
[06:26] <karsten> dougsk: ;-)
[06:26] <danko123451> pixil9: http://ubuntuguide.org/#menu-editor ?
[06:26] <karsten> dougsk: typespeed _may_ cause children ;-)
[06:26] <dougsk> karsten, heh heh
[06:28] <pixil9> danko123451, lol that's sweet. It doesn't show "other" though.. damnit
[06:28] <karsten> pixil9:  w3m /usr/share/doc/menu/html/index.html
[06:28] <limer> haha.  now I can't type gtypist b/c I don't know dvorak
[06:28] <limer> :P
[06:28] <karsten> pixil9: s/w3m/browser-of-your-choice/
[06:28] <limer> I am my own worst enemy
[06:28] <pixil9> ah thanks
[06:28] <karsten> limer: http://web.mit.edu/jcb/www/Dvorak/
[06:29] <danko123451> pixil9: thats the best I can do///
[06:29] <danko123451> ?pixil9: you got it
[06:29] <pixil9> i don't even have the menu directory
[06:29] <pixil9> heh
[06:29] <p0m> I thought all the application items were stored in /usr/share/applications
[06:29] <p0m> As .desktop files?
[06:30] <b0urn3> when i want to install a new iconset....do i need to unzip the tar.bz2?
[06:30] <karsten> limer: gtypist == ulteg;k
[06:30] <karsten> limer: ...in qwerty
[06:30] <limer> wow - you're crazy karsten
[06:30] <limer> :D
[06:30] <karsten> b0urn3: No.  tar xjvf foo.tar.bz
[06:30] <karsten> limer: I've got the layout online, could ref it ;-)
[06:31] <karsten> b0urn3: s/bz/bz2/
[06:31] <StR> I cannot install mono-develop in my ubuntu
[06:31] <StR> anyone has done this?
[06:31] <b0urn3> karsten:  to which directory?
[06:31] <karsten> b0urn3: The one you want it in.
[06:31] <Bachus9000> In a couple weeks (when finals are over, specifically) I intend to try installing Ubuntu onto my laptop.  I planned on using partimage to copy my current install on this pc and (hopefully) save myself a lot of time.  At least initially they'll be using the stock Hoary kernel, so that shouldn't pose a problem.  Other than reconfiguring x.org and editing Grub's config file and fstab what else should I take note of changing on the second pc?
[06:32] <b0urn3> karsten:  then can i apply the whole icon set at once through the theme manager?
[06:33] <karsten> b0urn3: Untarring a tarfile dumps the tarfile's contents to wherever you're at.
[06:33] <karsten> b0urn3: You can interactively select stuff through some tools, eg:  Nautilus or mc.
[06:33] <limer> karsten: woot!
[06:34] <karsten> limer: gtypist running ?
[06:34] <limer> yes
[06:34] <pixil9> fuck
[06:34] <limer> great program
[06:34] <limer> taught me qwerty
[06:35] <limer> forced myself to learn or destined to become hunt & peck geek
[06:35] <danko123451> better than to teach you qweqw...
[06:36] <limer> I can only look at your name and ask that you take off that rabbit suit
[06:37] <StR> limer: lol!
[06:37] <danko123451> freedom is slavery, dude
[06:37] <StR> was it danko or darko?
[06:37] <limer> like, I'm so Goth . . . I'm dead!
[06:37] <daba> its a quote, I just readit
[06:37] <daba> its from 1984
[06:38] <daba> way back...
[06:38] <daba> :P
[06:38] <limer> good ol' Room 101
[06:38] <daba> were you saying I am goth?
[06:38] <limer> I like Animal Farm
[06:38] <daba> hah
[06:38] <daba> awesome
[06:39] <qweqw> what the hell
[06:39] <daba> I was at a goth night in some local club...they party pretty hard I can tell you...
[06:39] <qweqw> who is discussing me
[06:39] <limer> If you were really goth, you would be contemplating how much better you are than everyone else along with how dismal the world really is
[06:39] <daba> and the music is almost technoish
[06:39] <limer> I'm too drunk to care ;)
[06:39] <qweqw> man
[06:39] <daba> hehe, qweqw
[06:40] <linuxpoet> which package has php-config in it?
[06:40] <daba> he said he learned qwerty, so I said better learn that than to learn qweqw
[06:40] <farruinn> linuxpoet: search on packages.ubuntu.com
[06:40] <qweqw> ah, boring
[06:40] <qweqw> it's not even about me!
[06:40] <limer> daba: plz change your name again.  I liked your previous (although this name is also not bad)
[06:41] <qweqw> i need a smarter irc client
[06:41] <Rm_223> Hello
[06:41] <qweqw> girls don't use linux
[06:41] <jsgotangco> why not?
[06:41] <limer> qweqw: got me down :(
[06:42] <jsgotangco> i know a number of them use it
[06:42] <danko123451> cause they suck
[06:42] <qweqw> dude, it's like driving a car
[06:42] <limer> what about all those walls!  :P
[06:42] <danko123451> no? aww. sorry, limer
[06:42] <limer> ?
[06:42] <Rm_223> anyone here know if Ubuntu is compatible with a Lucent Mars "Winmodem"?
[06:42] <danko123451> did you have sex with them, jsgotangco?
[06:42] <qweqw> i'll check for you
[06:43] <Rm_223> TY
[06:43] <Zerboxx> Is there anything in linux that is similar to windows' "Startup"?
[06:43] <jordanau> danko123451, i sure haven't...
[06:43] <danko123451> jsgotangco: why I ask is, cause, how do you know they are girls.??
[06:43] <jordanau> Zerboxx, you mean like the starup folder?
[06:43] <danko123451> limer: you said it got you down
[06:43] <danko123451> why is my nickk 123451, I entered 123456
[06:44] <limer> it's ok.  qweqw is just joshin :P
[06:44] <Zerboxx> jordanau: Yeah, there are programs I'd like to start when I log in, such as gaim, and xhcat
[06:44] <limer> I had some woman help me install x on a slackware box via bitchx
[06:44] <qweqw> hey
[06:44] <qweqw> Rm_223,
[06:44] <jordanau> you can just save your gnome session on logout
[06:44] <danko123451> limer: I misread.:(
[06:44] <farruinn> Zerboxx: preferences>session
[06:44] <jsgotangco> danko123451, because I know them personally and seen some of them over here attending the conference
[06:44] <limer> she was pretty damn cool
[06:44] <qweqw> it looks like you'll have to jump through a few hoops to get that winmodem working
[06:45] <Rm_223> BIG hoops?
[06:45] <Zerboxx> farruinn: that's what I was looking for, thanks!
[06:45] <limer> I don't think many men, including ubuntu geeks have a prerequisite that their gf must use linux
[06:45] <qweqw> i dunno
[06:45] <danko123451> Zerboxx: preferences>session>startup apps tab
[06:45] <limer> does it really matter if she gives good head?
[06:45] <karsten> limer: My *cat* used linux.
[06:45] <qweqw> i think you might have to recompile the kernel
[06:45] <Zerboxx> jordanau: What does that do, just when I log in, it will bring it back the way I left it?
[06:45] <farruinn> wow, we're off topic tonight
[06:45] <Rm_223> still new to Linux
[06:45] <Rm_223> in general
[06:45] <danko123451> jsgotangco: how do you know theyre not T-girls?
[06:45] <Dreamer3> ok, where are the instructions to get java up and working?
[06:46] <qweqw> i was about to ask..
[06:46] <limer> karsten: my dog is a windows user
[06:46] <jordanau> yeah, some programs it doesnt work for, like firefox
[06:46] <StR> help?      I cannot install monodevelop
[06:46] <limer> but I love her
[06:46] <danko123451> Im just bugging you.
[06:46] <StR> anyone has installed it?
[06:46] <Rm_223> the prospect of recompling the kernel seems daunting
[06:46] <jordanau> Zerboxx, try danko123451 's advice though
[06:46] <qweqw> yeah, i'm sure much of it would be meaningless unless you know hardware well
[06:46] <Burgundavia> Rm_223, you shouldn't need to
[06:46] <danko123451> Dreamer3: http://ubuntuguide.org/#jre
[06:46] <karsten> limer: My dead cat can beat up your dog ;-)
[06:46] <pixil9> Dreamer3, apt-get install java-package .. get the linux binaries from http://java.sun.com and do make-jpkg <jrefile.bin>
[06:46] <pixil9> then dpkg -i jrefile.bin
[06:46] <Rm_223> shouldn't have to recompile?
[06:47] <qweqw> if ubuntu will load modules compiled for a different kernel, you won't have to
[06:47] <qweqw> or if a package already exists
[06:47] <limer> karsten: my cat keeps the dogs in line, so no doubt
[06:47] <limer> :P
[06:47] <qweqw> i didn't see anything like that, though
[06:47] <Dreamer3> danko123451: thanks
[06:47] <Zerboxx> Another question: I asked this last night, but I'll try again just to see if anyone can help this time.  I have a keyboard that can change the volume, ubuntu can recognize the volume going up and down, but it changes the master volume, and I'd like it to change headphones, is this possible?
[06:47] <qweqw> i was kind of doing the positive negative shift
[06:47] <karsten> limer: Heh.
[06:47] <Rm_223> I'm using a Toshiba Laptop and the ONLY thing stopping Me from "Going Over" is this Winmodem problem
[06:47] <qweqw> nodding is the only good response
[06:48] <danko123451> Dreamer3: youre welcome....
[06:48] <danko123451> thats just the RE, though
[06:48] <danko123451> for a SDK...
[06:48] <Rm_223> Had Redhat but couldn't get it to work
[06:48] <danko123451> some more work is required
[06:48] <p0m> Zerboxx: Unless you have some special program other than Gnome Keyboard Buttons to do it, probably not.
[06:48] <qweqw> give me a couple minutes
[06:48] <qweqw> i'll read some mroe..
[06:48] <limer> karsten: cat is all torn up from fucking all the other cats in the neighborhood.  very territorial
[06:48] <linuxpoet> hmmm php-config not listed in packages.ubuntu.com
[06:48] <danko123451> haha
[06:48] <danko123451> limer thinks Rm_223nods toomuch?
[06:48] <limer> karsten: he thinks he's a dog
[06:48] <karsten> limer: Ouch.  Mine (15.5 y.o.) just died this January.  Still grieving.
[06:48] <karsten> limer: I had a hound cat ;-)
[06:48] <Zerboxx> p0m: Never heard of Gnome Keyboard Buttons, think that could help me out?
[06:49] <indigirl1> Rm_223: i don't use the modem on my toshiba. not much help
[06:49] <limer> I think I should be quiet about nodding from now on :D
[06:49] <farruinn> limer: I think you should try to stick to talking about ubuntu ;)
[06:49] <Rm_223> I wouldn't either indigirl1 but I'm sort of stuck with it right now
[06:49] <limer> you think too much
[06:49] <Rm_223> can't afford another right now
[06:49] <limer> the lone comment that wants to have some sort of authority.  you should talk to darko
[06:49] <Rm_223> plus if I decide I need to go mobile I'd rather not have to lug around more that I have to
[06:50] <indigirl1> Rm_223: i guess you know winmodems and linux are notorious enemies
[06:50] <p0m> Zerboxx: I don't think so, as I think that's what is modifying your master sound. Last I checked it was bound to change master by default.
[06:50] <danko123451> indigirl1: are you a girl?
[06:50] <Rm_223> Yes I do..very much so
[06:50] <indigirl1> danko123451: not really
[06:50] <Zerboxx> p0m: and I can't change that?
[06:50] <danko123451> ok, I just wanted to test jsgotangco'S  idea
[06:50] <Rm_223> But I've also been reading and hearing that a lot of work has been going into making them work together
[06:50] <p0m> I suppose you could use xev to find the keycode, and bind that keycode to some commandline mixer that could lower your headphone volume.
[06:50] <p0m> Zerboxx: Never tried, but I don't think so.
[06:51] <danko123451> limer: ???????
[06:51] <qweqw> ok..
[06:51] <indigirl1> Rm_223: what kind of work. do you know?
[06:51] <danko123451> 3:49:59) limer: the lone comment that wants to have some sort of authority.  you should talk to darko?>??
[06:51] <limer> farruinn may well have been the school bully that wanted your lunch money
[06:51] <qweqw> that's been going on for years, Rm_223
[06:51] <danko123451> is that a reference to me?
[06:51] <jsgotangco> danko123451, my last say on this topic is that a number of ubuntu developers are women and very smart at that thank you.
[06:51] <danko123451> jsgotangco: i AM  just fooling around.
[06:51] <Bachus9000> Speaking of laptops...I was playing around with a test Hoary install a few weeks ago (to see what troubles I'd run into when I installed it "for real").  CPU speed throttling worked out of the box, but my "fn" key did not.  This wouldn't be a big deal except fn+f1 and fn+f2 dim and brighten the screen respectively.  I'd kind of like that functionality. :)  I seem to remember it working in Gentoo and Knoppix before, so I know it's possible
[06:51] <Bachus9000> (or my memory is fuzzy.. :)).  Any ideas?
[06:51] <Rm_223> ah well
[06:51] <danko123451> I off course know there are plenty of girls in CS...
[06:51] <Rm_223> guess I hit another Wall
[06:51] <Rm_223> no wonder people stay with Windows
[06:52] <qweqw> well
[06:52] <Rm_223> thanks anyway
[06:52] <limer> karsten: sry to hear that
[06:52] <danko123451> in my dept. at Universtity there are plennty
[06:52] <qweqw> i got a site for you
[06:52] <qweqw> some drivers that may work
[06:52] <limer> karsten: but the cat lived quite a long time
[06:52] <indigirl1> Bachus9000: if its toshiba, i think there is a website with a download for function keys. try google
[06:52] <qweqw> ok
[06:52] <qweqw> do you know how to edit text files
[06:52] <danko123451> 3:49:59) limer: the lone comment that wants to have some sort of authority.  you should talk to darko
[06:52] <limer> no offense danko123451
[06:52] <danko123451> is that a reference to me?
[06:52] <Rm_223> sure do
[06:52] <limer> I thought you said something, but forgot what it was :P
[06:52] <Rm_223> treat them just like Word files
[06:52] <qweqw> how to get root access, all that
[06:52] <danko123451> that is funny.
[06:53] <danko123451> cool
[06:53] <qweqw> well, anyway
[06:53] <karsten> limer: He had a good life, was an awesome cat.  Kidney failure, ultimately.  Downhill a lot at the end, but not uncomfortable.  Spent most of his last couple of months asleep on my lap.
[06:53] <Rm_223> yes..have some idea how to get root access
[06:53] <StR> I'm trying to install monodevelop... but I get       libglib-cil unsatisfied.... how cna I fix that?
[06:53] <qweqw> damn.. what's the name of your text editor
[06:53] <danko123451> awww...stop it karsten...
[06:53] <Bachus9000> indigirl: Nope, Compaq.  Presario 2199US to be exact.  There's a guide for it somewhere, but it doesn't cover the "fn" key at all. :(
[06:53] <qweqw> sudo youreditor /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:53] <qweqw> type that
[06:53] <limer> karsten: my fav cat was run over.  only cat I ever saw that could take down adult jack rabbits
[06:53] <danko123451> thats a sad story...
[06:54] <pixil9> Anyone know the png that gnome uses for its main menu?
[06:54] <pixil9> I want the foot gone
[06:54] <qweqw> replace youreditor with .. the name of the program you want to execute
[06:54] <limer> fucking asshole doing 50 in a neighborhood
[06:54] <danko123451> haha, what are you doing to your GUI,..pixil9?
[06:54] <danko123451> yeah, that sucks...
[06:54] <pixil9> I just want to replace it with a blue ubuntu png
[06:54] <pixil9> the foot is ugly.
[06:54] <danko123451> at least it was just a cat...
[06:54] <limer> love thy gnome
[06:54] <pixil9> The main ubuntu menu is gnome-logo-transparent.png or whatever
[06:54] <pixil9> But i don't use that menu
[06:55] <Zerboxx> limer: There's this cat near where a buddy of mine lives, and it will cross the street when the "little guy" is walking, it's crazy
[06:55] <limer> I really like that lawn gnome that goes on vacation everywhere :D
[06:55] <limer> haha
[06:55] <karsten> limer: Wow, and :-(
[06:55] <danko123451> haha
[06:55] <danko123451> the one from Amelie?
[06:55] <p0m> pixil9: Just go to gnome-look and download one of the icon themes for "Ubuntu"
[06:55] <limer> then he fell in love with the mini statue of liberty
[06:55] <pixil9> nah I just need the filename
[06:55] <limer> hahaha
[06:55] <pixil9> Already have a theme.
[06:56] <limer> karsten: yeah, it sux but that's ok.  have a good cat now
[06:56] <danko123451> ooohh, arent you special with your theme:P
[06:56] <limer> he just loves the women too much ;)
[06:56] <Zerboxx> Is there any way to set keys to run programs not listed in System>Prefs>Keyboard Shortcuts?
[06:56] <danko123451> there is a gnome that travels the world in the movie Amelie...
[06:56] <limer> danko123451: that's pretty damn cool
[06:57] <limer> gnomes are like limes.  how can you dislike either?
[06:57] <danko123451> limer: did you see the movie?
[06:57] <limer> no, would like to though
[06:57] <qweqw> where do all the limes go
[06:58] <danko123451> haha
[06:58] <qweqw> they seem popular
[06:58] <limer> where's your ftp bro?
[06:58] <danko123451> ftp?
[06:58] <qweqw> but i've never seen a lime anywhere but the store
[06:58] <limer> ftp server
[06:58] <danko123451> which are you talking about, got me lost there.
[06:58] <limer> yes, and you know you instantly were drawn to it qweqw
[06:58] <limer> it's the nature of the lime after all
[06:58] <danko123451> right,
[06:58] <limer> if it's good enough for corona . . .
[06:58] <qweqw> welll, they are a pleasant green color
[06:59] <limer> see.  there you go
[06:59] <danko123451> 	haha
[06:59] <danko123451> if its good enough for a corona
[06:59] <qweqw> shaped nicely too
[06:59] <limer> very true
[06:59] <qweqw> i wouldn't insult a lime by putting it in corona
[06:59] <limer> my fav net girl is also named lime and we had this conversation
[06:59] <limer> who doesn't like limes?  they are green and ward off scurvy
[06:59] <limer> what's not to like?
[07:00] <qweqw> can't think of a thing
[07:00] <dazzed> you know a girl named lime?
[07:00] <limer> she goes by lime
[07:00] <limer> yeah
[07:00] <danko123451> must be really sweet, eh?
[07:00] <dazzed> thats tight...id just call her carona
[07:00] <limer> how she found me searching yahoo
[07:00] <limer> danko123451: haha.  ;)
[07:00] <limer> you bet
[07:00] <limer> too bad she's married
[07:00] <qweqw> wba
[07:00] <qweqw> wna
[07:00] <danko123451> you like the joke?
[07:00] <qweqw> i can't find backspace
[07:01] <danko123451> tell me, you seen amelie?
[07:01] <danko123451> the movie?
[07:01] <qweqw> who cares if she's married?
[07:01] <qweqw> that's half the fun
[07:01] <Bachus9000> Does anybody have any experience with samba and hostname resolution and a WINS server?
[07:01] <indigirl1> amalie is a great movie
[07:01] <limer> danko123451: I've never seen it
[07:01] <danko123451> Agreed,, indigirl1
[07:01] <dazzed> my best friends name is amalie
[07:01] <indigirl1> Bachus9000: i've given up on samba many times
[07:01] <danko123451> It was a winnner at some festival...
[07:01] <kevman> Does Ubuntu still support Warty? I'm having trouble getting packages.
[07:01] <qweqw> are you a real life female, indigirl1 ?
[07:01] <danko123451> best movie of the year...
[07:01] <indigirl1> Bachus9000: probably easier today
[07:01] <indigirl1> qweqw: i don't think so
[07:02] <dazzed> kevman: it should
[07:02] <pixil9> qweqw, Quit macking
[07:02] <qweqw> nah, probably a fat 40 year old mine
[07:02] <limer> qweqw: you need to come around town with me bro
[07:02] <qweqw> man, even
[07:02] <limer> ;)
[07:02] <qweqw> i'd be arrested
[07:02] <jsgotangco> kevman, Warty is supported 18 months after release
[07:02] <qweqw> that's why i stay inside
[07:02] <kevman> Ah, the package is being fetched from Backport... Backports must be down.
[07:02] <danko123451> limer: what about the ftp?
[07:02] <danko123451> yeah, it may be.
[07:02] <kevman> I'm getting 403 forbidden
[07:03] <jsgotangco> backports are evil
[07:03] <danko123451> limer: which ftp were you talking about?
[07:03] <kevman> I just drop them for now. I really need this package.
[07:03] <Bachus9000> indigirl1: Oh, I have samba working perfectly...except I can't connect to the server using the hostname unless I specify a WINS server in the config file.  I never had to do that in Gentoo and I don't like the idea of having to edit the file every time I move the computer to a different network. :)
[07:03] <farruinn> kevman: package do you need?
[07:03] <danko123451> should I scroll up, wassnt very apparent.
[07:03] <stuNNed> what is latest alsa in hoary?
[07:04] <zerokarmaleft> 1.0.8
[07:04] <stuNNed> zerokarmaleft: k thnx m8
[07:05] <pixil9> Are there any totem plugins for firefox?
[07:05] <pixil9> I want to remove mplayer but I like the plugin
[07:06] <qweqw> plugin how
[07:06] <qweqw> embedded video?
[07:06] <danko123451> likke....
[07:06] <pixil9> ya
[07:06] <qweqw> totem is a front-end
[07:06] <indigirl1> Bachus9000: wins can probably scan for a propagating server; look for a setting to do that
[07:06] <qweqw> but..
[07:06] <qweqw> i've only seen an mplayer plugin
[07:07] <farruinn> qweqw: front-end? I thought it was a "sub-system" or something like that
[07:07] <icebalm> hrmm, upgrade to breezy, should I do it? heheh
[07:07] <farruinn> as in back-end
[07:07] <dazzed> as in rear end :)
[07:07] <farruinn> n/m me, I was thinking gstreamer
[07:07] <ajmitch_>  ~.
[07:07] <Bachus9000> indigirl1: I have, but not too much. :)
[07:07] <qweqw> i thought it was xine modified for kde
[07:08] <danko123451> icebalm: only computer?
[07:08] <danko123451> you have more or only one?
[07:08] <icebalm> danko123451: more than one, but this is my main
[07:08] <danko123451> upgrade on one thats not...
[07:08] <danko123451> see how that works, I guess..
[07:08] <farruinn> there might be a gstreamer plugin for mozilla but I can't seem to search packages.ubuntu.com right now
[07:08] <danko123451> I think I am going to upgrade this one right now
[07:08] <icebalm> I don't run ubuntu on any others heh
[07:08] <indigirl1> qweqw: on my puter totem plays dvds better than mplayer and xine and ogle
[07:08] <pixil9> I like totem
[07:09] <qweqw> i know for a fact totem was a xine front end
[07:09] <pixil9> I can scroll through video way easier than mplayer
[07:09] <mosley> totem doesn't have xvid support
[07:09] <qweqw> for kde
[07:09] <qweqw> never used it, except to watch videos in konqueror
[07:09] <farruinn> qweqw: totem can use different back ends such as gstreamer or xine
[07:09] <pixil9> mosley: I watch xvids in totem.
[07:10] <indigirl1> in ubuntu i think gstreamer is the better choice
[07:10] <pixil9> You need libxvidcore
[07:10] <qweqw> a front end of xinelib, anyway
[07:10] <mosley> pixil9: please tell me how
[07:10] <mosley> it's a good app
[07:10] <farruinn> qweqw: right, all I know is there's a totem-xine package or something like that :)
[07:10] <mosley> but I can't watch what I want
[07:10] <Zerboxx> g'night everyone, have a good one
[07:10] <danko123451> haha, icebalm, fooled you...I am not gonna upgrade...
[07:10] <danko123451> ok...
[07:10] <qweqw> mplayer has always been enough for me, until i started using 64 bit distros
[07:11] <danko123451> you too, Zerboxx
[07:11] <icebalm> danko123451: that's ok, I am :D
[07:11] <qweqw> vlc is the second best
[07:11] <pixil9> mosley: Use the marillat repository and get libxvidcore
[07:11] <danko123451> I am jj...I will now too.
[07:11] <mosley> thanks, will do
[07:11] <indigirl1> i don't understand vlc
[07:11] <pixil9> mosley libxvidcore4
[07:11] <pixil9> vlc is garbage imo
[07:12] <qweqw> hmm.. maybe it always had that option, farruinn
[07:12] <qweqw> v.c
[07:12] <qweqw> er
[07:12] <qweqw> vlc works great
[07:12] <farruinn> vlc has worked well for me in the past
[07:12] <qweqw> doesn't play everything, but porn is available in plenty of formats
[07:13] <indigirl1> everything i want to uninstall it tells me ubuntu-desktop will be removed. i think that is supposed to be bad, but i want to do it anyway from frustration
[07:13] <icebalm> 259MB worth of packages, lol I'll let this go overnight
[07:13] <danko123451> i can feel this is gonna break my Linux.
[07:13] <danko123451> aha
[07:13] <danko123451> haha
[07:13] <qweqw> i've fucked linux up hundreds of times
[07:14] <indigirl1> icebalm: obviously not an important system...
[07:14] <danko123451> that was funny...there is nothing to upgrade...
[07:14] <farruinn> danko123451: you did a apt-get update first?
[07:14] <qweqw> the last time, i lost 200gb of mp3s
[07:14] <icebalm> I wonder if there's a #breakmyubuntu
[07:14] <danko123451> Im already done with my upgrade
[07:14] <danko123451> yuo, farruinn
[07:14] <danko123451> yup..that is.
[07:14] <indigirl1> qweqw: all illegal?
[07:14] <danko123451> I have an iBook, that is why maybe,.
[07:14] <qweqw> most of them
[07:15] <farruinn> icebalm, there's a breakmyubuntu wiki page
[07:15] <icebalm> farruinn: nice :D
[07:15] <pixil9> I removed marillat from my repositories.. Any idea why it's still listing them in synaptic? (I ran apt-get update)
[07:15] <danko123451> that is weird though, I expected more...
[07:15] <qweqw> there were a lot of 500kb/s ogg files from a a bunch of cds
[07:15] <icebalm> oh well, gonna let this update, almost half way done but I'm going to bed
[07:15] <qweqw> not even 100gb though
[07:16] <danko123451> yeah, all illegal...that is the way to go, my friends...
[07:16] <danko123451> haha
[07:16] <indigirl1> qweqw: 500kb is overkill
[07:16] <danko123451> ok, why am I on a row of stupid sentences here?
[07:16] <qweqw> not when the storage space is massive enough for it to be meaningless
[07:17] <indigirl1> qweqw: that could fit on one hd these days
[07:17] <qweqw> exactly
[07:17] <qweqw> actually, i only bothered to encode them because it was the default option on the ripping software
[07:18] <revelater> hey, how do i reset my dhcp connection?
[07:18] <danko123451> reboot
[07:18] <qweqw> after that, no more mp3s for me
[07:18] <danko123451> or an easy way
[07:18] <indigirl1> revelater: ifdown eth0; ifup eth0
[07:18] <revelater> without rebooting
[07:19] <danko123451> why is my sound muffled?
[07:20] <danko123451> it starts off fine, then gets muffled?
[07:20] <indigirl1> danko123451: my sound in ubuntu is strange too
[07:20] <danko123451> i mean, that is not a question
[07:20] <zaofreek> danko123451, try running alsamixer
[07:20] <danko123451> on my other comp it was fine...
[07:20] <zaofreek> in a terminal
[07:20] <zaofreek> set "3d contr" to 0
[07:20] <qweqw> sound is overrated
[07:20] <danko123451> I agree
[07:21] <qweqw> i disagree
[07:21] <Derreck> Me too.
[07:21] <danko123451> I dont even have it...
[07:21] <danko123451> I agree with both of you then...
[07:21] <indigirl1> oh, pcm set to 100 may have made audio bad
[07:22] <danko123451> I fixed it with that alsamixer
[07:22] <qweqw> guaranteed
[07:22] <danko123451> sweet.
[07:22] <qweqw> to make it sound like shit
[07:23] <qweqw> although, some people don't care how music sounds, as long as there is a recognizable beat
[07:23] <PHPWannabe> Is there a way to adjust the brightness for a monitor?
[07:23] <danko123451> awesome...
[07:23] <qweqw> there's no way else to explain the dumbasses with stereo systems that rattle the car
[07:23] <indigirl1> PHPWannabe: on the monitor controls
[07:24] <danko123451> zaofreek: I dont have a 3d volume thingy...
[07:24] <indigirl1> qweqw: that's for everyone *else*
[07:24] <indigirl1> danko123451: lower the pcm and master volumes
[07:24] <qweqw> i don't get it, indigirl1
[07:24] <qweqw> please elucidate
[07:24] <danko123451> and to which level should I go, do you think>?
[07:24] <indigirl1> qweqw: the subwoofer is not for the individual's enjoyment, but for everyone else to notice them
[07:24] <zaofreek> 70 is usually good
[07:25] <indigirl1> danko123451: 75
[07:25] <zaofreek> basically anything under 85
[07:25] <qweqw> ah, too true
[07:25] <qweqw> it's like the people who pretend to be talking to someone on their cell phone
[07:25] <undre6k> hello all
[07:25] <zaofreek> but i don't have any minutes...
[07:25] <danko123451> lets say 82, cause it pretty quiet
[07:25] <zaofreek> and i have to have some excuse for my driving
[07:25] <nadav> Is there a GUI program that does apt-get stuff for you?
[07:25] <danko123451> so all of them like that?
[07:26] <danko123451> I hgave bass, treble....
[07:26] <qweqw> synaptic, nadav
[07:26] <nadav> ahh, that's it.
[07:26] <danko123451> then PCM 82....
[07:26] <danko123451> my PC speaker is 00
[07:27] <indigirl1> my laptop touchpad is called synaptic too
[07:27] <indigirl1> who needs a pc speaker
[07:27] <zaofreek> pc speaker does nothing for me
[07:27] <zaofreek> oh, wait
[07:27] <zaofreek> i'm dumb
[07:27] <qweqw> how can you live without the beeps?
[07:27] <zaofreek> it annoys the hell out of me...
[07:27] <qweqw> i know i couldn't
[07:27] <danko123451> DRC range was it.
[07:28] <danko123451> thats the one that gives me sound
[07:28] <indigirl1> i don't know what drc is
[07:28] <zaofreek> who knows what that is...
[07:28] <danko123451> thats the one that gave me good sound
[07:28] <undre6k> I was browsin synaptic and I see          linux-686   Complete Linux kernel on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/PIV.  it is in the Base System (restricted).  If I installed this would it help me or hurt me? I have a p4 system
[07:28] <qweqw> zaofreek makes me think of a bot
[07:28] <qweqw> are you a  bot, zaofreek
[07:29] <zaofreek> no, hah
[07:29] <indigirl1> undre6k: piv is p4
[07:29] <zaofreek> i wish
[07:29] <danko123451> zaofreek: how do you turn alsamixer off then?
[07:29] <danko123451> ctrl+c?
[07:29] <danko123451> haha
[07:29] <zaofreek> just hit escape
[07:29] <danko123451> says righht on the top
[07:29] <indigirl1> undre6k: you won't notice a difference on a normal system, but probably has some compiler enhancements
[07:29] <undre6k> indigirl1 yeah but what does restricted mean?
[07:29] <qweqw> help you, probably undre6k
[07:29] <qweqw> your current kernel is i386?
[07:29] <undre6k> yeah
[07:30] <danko123451> hey, zaofreek,  thanks for making my sound work
[07:30] <zaofreek> you may have to type "sudo alsactl store 0"
[07:30] <qweqw> you'll get some optimization with the 686 kernel
[07:30] <danko123451> and indigirl1 2!
[07:30] <zaofreek> to keep those settings on reboot
[07:30] <zaofreek> but i'm not sure if that's required
[07:30] <farruinn> undre6k: means it includes stuff that can't be shipped under a "free" license
[07:30] <crimsun> zaofreek: it's not.
[07:30] <zaofreek> was that just a bug?
[07:30] <crimsun> mixer settings are stored on shutdown.
[07:30] <danko123451> we'll see when I reboot...
[07:30] <danko123451> or sooner with crimsun
[07:30] <obe1|2> in my xorg.conf generated by pkg config, it has the font path for a font-server unix:/7100, but xfs was not installed by default.. what is ubuntu's preferred method for truetype fonts? should i use xfs,xfstt,xfs-xtt or does xorg come with built-in freetype module?
[07:30] <undre6k> ok I see so the same goes for the modules too right?
[07:31] <qweqw> yes
[07:31] <undre6k> cool thks
[07:31] <danko123451> I am gonna listen to an audio book
[07:31] <danko123451> its awesome
[07:31] <indigirl1> danko123451: what book
[07:31] <qweqw> pretty miniscule amount of benefit, but i run gentoo on another computer
[07:31] <danko123451> pretty loud that alsamixer
[07:32] <daniels> obe1|2: um, the fonts are all client-side
[07:32] <danko123451> the 1984 book, I guess Ill start on listening to that.
[07:32] <indigirl1> danko123451: unix:7100 is local
[07:32] <undre6k> Oh one more ques:  is hyperthreading   symetric multiprocessing?
[07:32] <indigirl1> oops, daniels not danko
[07:33] <qweqw> not quite
[07:33] <danko123451> right
[07:33] <farruinn> undre6k: hyperthreading is something qutie different I think
[07:33] <TestDummy> Gaim is still being pesky =(
[07:33] <crimsun> undre6k: one can think of HT as a form of neutered SMP
[07:33] <qweqw> yep
[07:33] <farruinn> lol
[07:33] <qweqw> don't know if SMP is needed to support it
[07:34] <obe1|2> daniels: yea, unix:7100 is local. I am basically asking ubuntu's preferred method, like fc3 still uses xfs, but other distros use xorg builtin truetype features..
[07:34] <revelate1> is it ok not to have a firewall?
[07:34] <crimsun> yeah, SMP support is required to support HT
[07:34] <qweqw> yes
[07:34] <TestDummy> Anyone know why Gaim won't minimize into a tray icon even though I tell it to?
[07:34] <indigirl1> revelate1: not really
[07:34] <qweqw> make sure you don't run anything that opens a port to the internet
[07:34] <qweqw> lsof -i
[07:34] <qweqw> to check
[07:34] <revelate1> indifirl1: why not?
[07:34] <daniels> obe1|2: most apps you'll use (every gnome app, mozilla, firefox, epiphany, kde apps) use client-side fonts, instead of those server-side fonts
[07:35] <revelate1> indigirl1: g not f, sorry
[07:35] <daniels> obe1|2: but in any case, we don't install xfs by default, no.  but that's not the answer to your real question.
[07:35] <indigirl1> TestDummy: check that you have a system tray on the panel
[07:35] <crimsun> TestDummy: Tools>Preferences>Plugins
[07:35] <TestDummy> I know that
[07:35] <TestDummy> And have done that
[07:35] <TestDummy> Er... yeah there is one
[07:35] <TestDummy> But it won't listen
[07:35] <revelate1> indigirl1: i here it take min of a month to crack into a linux sys
[07:36] <obe1|2> daniels: i thought, FontPath unix/:7100, meant xorg got fonts from xfs?
[07:36] <undre6k> I got a celeron p4 so I aint touchin that SMP thing
[07:36] <crimsun> TestDummy: hmm, it works here.
[07:36] <qweqw> a firewall is pointless if you don't run any daemons
[07:36] <daniels> obe1|2: yes, but it can do other things too
[07:36] <indigirl1> revelate1: linux could be easier than windows. it just depends what is opened on the system
[07:36] <qweqw> or, if you do, that the ports are local
[07:36] <crimsun> TestDummy: I presume you've restarted Gaim to test?
[07:36] <danko123451> crimsun: I had the same thing as he too
[07:36] <TestDummy> crimsun: Numerous times
[07:37] <TestDummy> It still doesn't listen
[07:37] <revelate1> indigirl1: amule and bittornado....
[07:37] <TestDummy> Oh, it's 1.2.1, I just compiled it, but...
[07:37] <qweqw> a firewall is a waste of resources. if you want more security, set up an old machine to act as a gateway
[07:37] <obe1|2> daniels: thanks
[07:37] <TestDummy> The one that came with it did the same ting
[07:37] <TestDummy> thing*
[07:37] <jordanau> revelate1, you can try to hack mine IP  = 127.0.0.1  Has that joke gotten old yet?
[07:37] <TestDummy> jordanau: Yes, it has.
[07:37] <TestDummy> :|
[07:37] <revelate1> lol
[07:37] <indigirl1> revelate1: some cable modems come with a firewall too
[07:38] <revelate1> indigirl1: thats what i disabled
[07:38] <jordanau> TestDummy, i always have to push a joke a little farther than it should go
[07:38] <revelate1> thats ok...
[07:38] <revelate1> everyone does that from time to time
[07:38] <indigirl1> revelate1: i keep firewall on the router, then open important ports (eg, 6000-7000 for bittorrent)
[07:39] <revelate1> indigirl1: i have a bad router, it crashes too easily
[07:39] <revelate1> so i set it to dmz
[07:39] <revelate1> on my comp
[07:39] <revelate1> demiliterized zone :)
[07:39] <jordanau> i have so many open ports on my computer it isnt funny
[07:39] <zerokarmaleft> i'm on hoary, and gnome-panel is crashing repeatedly...backtrace here - http://www.pastebin.com/277033
[07:39] <qweqw> the best thing to do is have an older machine that routes your connection to a hub or switch. that way you can run a firewall, http proxy, caching dns server, etc.. then your computers on the inside of the network will be entirely devoted to whatever task you decide
[07:39] <revelate1> can i crack your comp?????
[07:40] <jordanau> luckily, i have nothing of value on my comp either
[07:40] <indigirl1> revelate1: you're probably safe. i'm not smart enough to hack into a system through ip packets, but i guess some people are
[07:40] <revelater> indigirl1: that isn't very comforting....
[07:41] <revelater> indigirl1: are you really a girl??
[07:41] <indigirl1> Nalioth: use a hub
[07:41] <qweqw> no
[07:41] <indigirl1> revelater: i'm starting to think so
[07:41] <qweqw> it's an old man
[07:41] <revelater> lmao
[07:41] <revelater> LMAO
[07:42] <zaofreek> oh man...that is straight out of the "HOWTO Encourage Women in Linux" article...
[07:42] <danko123451> ebveryone asks the same questoin of indigirl1
[07:42] <crimsun> TestDummy: / danko123451: please check bugzilla, else file a bug
[07:42] <danko123451> i DONT mind it...
[07:42] <zaofreek> my question is, is it india, indiana, or just indie?
[07:42] <Nalioth> indigirl1, with a hub, i have to assign individual IP addresses, right? <sorry my brain is off at the moment>
[07:42] <danko123451> it came back to the sys tray
[07:42] <TestDummy> Well..
[07:42] <TestDummy> I checked where the plugin says it is
[07:42] <TestDummy> And it's there..
[07:42] <TestDummy> Odd.
[07:42] <revelater> Nalioth: i could do it for you if you, if you give me your ip adress *grins evily*
[07:42] <randabis> http://img245.echo.cx/img245/6215/trucksex7gn.gif
[07:43] <indigirl1> zaofreek: my dog's name is Indi. we bought her in Indianapolis, Indiana.
[07:43] <undre6k> im not trying to hit on you but linux girls are attractive
[07:43] <zaofreek> indigirl1, that makes sense then
[07:43] <undre6k> since linux is sexy
[07:43] <zaofreek> i actually go to school in fort wayne
[07:43] <Nalioth> djy'all read thata /. article today about the "elite hacker"?
[07:44] <undre6k> show us
[07:44] <danko123451> haha, randabis
[07:44] <revelater> that was both strange and disturbing
[07:44] <randabis> lol
[07:44] <danko123451> yeah, where is the article?
[07:44] <zaofreek> 127.0.0.1 is a difficult one to hack...
[07:45] <revelater> lol
[07:45] <randabis> lolz loopback
[07:45] <crimsun> sudo seems pretty effective ;)
[07:45] <revelater> i got into that system in like 1 second
[07:45] <jordanau> YES score one more for 127.0.0.1!!!!
[07:45] <revelater> course, i knew the password...
[07:45] <revelater> lol
[07:45] <TestDummy> Odd..
[07:46] <qweqw> girls don't irc
[07:46] <TestDummy> This seems to happen to other things that have system tray icons too
[07:46] <TestDummy> qweqw: You sure?
[07:46] <jordanau> is there a way to hide all files except for /home from a user?
[07:46] <qweqw> positive
[07:46] <revelater> thats cause they aren't cool enough
[07:46] <zaofreek> hmm...it seems the original site that i saw that on is now down
[07:46] <jordanau> folders as well
[07:46] <zaofreek> although there's a google cache of it
[07:46] <danko123451> do you have a sys trqaay in your panel?
[07:46] <crimsun> TestDummy: and you're positive the systray applet is running? :)
[07:46] <qweqw> it's either the police, perverts or trolls
[07:46] <TestDummy> How would I check :|
[07:46] <revelater> up time is only 23 minutes... :(
[07:47] <zaofreek> http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:SIuztravpJIJ:www.jellyslab.com/~bteo/hacker.htm&hl=en&client=firefox
[07:47] <crimsun> TestDummy: try to add a Notification Area applet to add to the panel
[07:47] <randabis> jordanau: I'd remove read priviledges from all folders except the user's home
[07:47] <thoreauputic> qweqw: there's a couple of people in #debian who'd be pretty upset with your assumption.. and a few here too ;)
[07:47] <TestDummy> crimsun: Somebody shoot me
[07:47] <TestDummy> That did the trick :D
[07:47] <jordanau> will read priviledges hide the actual folders?
[07:47] <crimsun> heh, I thought so ;)
[07:48] <revelater> i had 12 days and 20 hours before i had to restart, what about you guys?
[07:48] <zerokarmaleft> how do you clear the recently opened items list from CLI?
[07:48] <undre6k> err  i've installed the     Complete Linux kernel on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/PIV.  now I got i386 and i686 can I uninstall the 1386?
[07:48] <danko123451> awesome, TestDummy
[07:48] <indigirl1> jordanau: for folders that might be execute priviledges
[07:48] <zaofreek> 3...i had to disable onboard sound :-(
[07:48] <TestDummy> I've only got a few hours uptime on mine, but that's because I shut it off.
[07:48] <randabis> revelater: had one box run 180 days before it restarted due to a power outage :/
[07:48] <crimsun> undre6k: yes, but I always keep a known-good backup installed
[07:48] <qweqw> i won't be convinced until they send these supposed women to me for judgement
[07:48] <TestDummy> Oddly, I have higher Windows uptimes, but that's because I fell asleep on the couch and left i on
[07:49] <revelater> randabis: cool, i had to restart cause i couldn't download naruto :P
[07:49] <zaofreek> for a while, i had no swap
[07:49] <zaofreek> which meant periodic freezes
[07:49] <jordanau> okay good i will get to chmod, i don't want my family to be confused i am getting them ubuntu so i can remotely fix problems
[07:49] <p0m> randabis: One of my boxen is still sat here on 412 days.
[07:49] <revelater> randabis: after setting the DMZ i had to restart...
[07:49] <jordanau> randabis, thanks
[07:49] <p0m> And it was the only box that didn't go down in the power brownout ages ago.
[07:49] <revelater> p0m: 412?!?!?!
[07:50] <indigirl1> that's gross time
[07:50] <undre6k> crimsun  ok
[07:50] <qweqw> so.. what's the de-militarized zone have to do with a LAN
[07:50] <p0m> revelater: Yeah. It's a slackware box.
[07:51] <indigirl1> qweqw: opens a firewalled router to a single IP behind router
[07:51] <indigirl1> qweqw: useful to completely open a single puter to the outside world
[07:52] <qqnluaq> kubuntu: how does one change the display res?  it seems to be maxed at 1024
[07:52] <qweqw> weird
[07:52] <qweqw> never heard of that term
[07:52] <zerokarmaleft> is there even a way to clear Recent Documents from the command line?
[07:52] <ruth> momo1946
[07:52] <revelater> p0m, i am thinking of installing gentoo on a cheap little box and using it only for downloads, see how long i can keep it running :P
[07:52] <p0m> revelater:Heh.
[07:52] <qweqw> you'll be dead before it finishes compiling
[07:52] <revelater> p0m: with fluxbox gui of course
[07:52] <TestDummy> Wouldn't that take an eternity to compole..
[07:53] <revelater> lmao
[07:53] <TestDummy> Er.
[07:53] <indigirl1> gentoo is annoying
[07:53] <jordanau> qqnluaq, you need to edit your xorg.conf file
[07:53] <qqnluaq> did that. no joy.
[07:53] <revelater> yah, thats why i sed a cheap little comp, not my main one, so i don't have to worru anout that
[07:53] <revelater> worry about
[07:53] <jordanau> qqnluaq, so you added new resolutions and you cant change to them now?
[07:54] <qqnluaq> nope. unless theres a way in kde to change res im not seeing.
[07:54] <PD> jordanau, even my desktop is stuck with 600x400 res
[07:54] <PD> but the xor.conf file i have only set 1204X.. res
[07:54] <PD> I'm usinf Kubuntu too
[07:54] <p0m> PD: Did you change your config without restarting X?
[07:55] <PD> *using
[07:55] <PD> p0m, nope i restarted several times
[07:55] <CitizenKane> i am having a problem opening printing preferences, it tries and starts and just fails, i get an error message after awhile saying that the cups server isn't running, it seems to be running according to the system monitor, any ideas?
[07:55] <jordanau> qqnluaq, run xrandr -q
[07:55] <PD> X simply is not taking it
[07:55] <Fufachew> where i can find the ubuntu gnupg key used to sign MD5SUMS(MD5SUMS.gpg)?
[07:57] <CitizenKane> anyone?
[07:57] <danko123451> thats a funny story of the hacker...
[07:57] <danko123451> you thinkit is reeal?
[07:58] <zaofreek> it's plausible
[07:58] <lamont_r> Fufachew: ubuntu-keyring package has it, as do the keyservers
[07:58] <danko123451> so-so
[07:58] <undre6k> sorry if this sounds dumb but how do I get all the gnome 2 stuff to work  just install it?
[07:58] <danko123451> he did thesame attack several times
[07:59] <danko123451> supposedly
[07:59] <qqnluaq> jordanua, should i see the res's from xorg.conf when i run xrandr?
[07:59] <zaofreek> undre6k, what exactly do you mean?
[07:59] <crimsun> undre6k: if you installed Ubuntu, it already works
[07:59] <undre6k> its a fresh install
[07:59] <zaofreek> you should be able to boot the computer and log in...
[07:59] <undre6k> ok sorry for the newb question
[07:59] <crimsun> undre6k: are you using X-Chat at the moment?
[07:59] <undre6k> no gaim
[07:59] <jordanau> qqnluaq,   okay what is the number next to the 1024 (on the left side of it under SZ)
[07:59] <crimsun> undre6k: under Ubuntu, correct?
[07:59] <undre6k> yeah
[08:00] <Nalioth> indigirl1, so about that individual IP thang.. ..
[08:00] <crimsun> undre6k: then you're already using GNOME 2.10 :)
[08:00] <qqnluaq> 0
[08:00] <undre6k> oh ok
[08:00] <jordanau> is that the res you want?
[08:00] <revelater> that was a funny post...
[08:00] <Fufachew> lamont_r: thanks
[08:00] <revelater>  http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:SIuztravpJIJ:www.jellyslab.com/~bteo/hacker.htm&hl=en&client=firefox
[08:00] <qqnluaq> no, thats for 1024.
[08:00] <undre6k> how come those applets arent installed
[08:00] <jordanau> qqwhich do you want?
[08:00] <Nalioth> revelater, wasnt it tho? the evil hacker wins every time
[08:00] <TestDummy> I still don't get why they get near the end of the version and fall back to someting like x.10
[08:00] <CitizenKane> i am having a problem opening printing preferences, it tries and starts and just fails, i get an error message after awhile saying that the cups server isn't running, it seems to be running according to the system monitor, any ideas?
[08:00] <TestDummy> It doesn't make sense
[08:00] <crimsun> undre6k: which applet(s)?
[08:01] <qqnluaq> jordanau my monitor goes to 1280, and i added"1280x1024" to xorg.conf
[08:01] <revelater> Nalioth, i almost feel sad for the guy...
[08:01] <revelater> Nalioth, *almost
[08:01] <zaofreek> i was reading it 3 days before it was on slashdot!
[08:01] <zaofreek> er...
[08:01] <jordanau> is it visible under xrandr?
[08:01] <zaofreek> i think it was on digg.com
[08:01] <qqnluaq> nope
[08:01] <zaofreek> qqnluaq, are you sure your card can do that?
[08:01] <Nalioth> zaofreek, that is how some things work on /.
[08:01] <jordanau> have you restarted x since you changed the file?
[08:01] <danko123451> Nalioth: thatstory does not really sound right...
[08:01] <undre6k> sry im not sure I'm just browsing synaptic  looking for shit I want
[08:01] <qqnluaq> absolutely sure.used it with windows.
[08:01] <lamont_r> qqnluaq: what does ddcprobe say when run as root?
[08:02] <thoreauputic> CitizenKane: maybe try sudo /etc/init.d/cupsys  restart
[08:02] <Jarz> Hi, anyone know of a good guide to getting sound on a8n-sli to work. Have tried all the ones in the forums
[08:02] <zaofreek> i saw a thing on newsforge talking about google like search functions in kde
[08:02] <qqnluaq> lemme see
[08:02] <chet__> ubuntu is impressive
[08:02] <danko123451> I think the hacker is really tryiing hard there.
[08:02] <indigirl1> Nalioth: it should be even less complicated. dmz means no firewall. so disable firewall on router and every system will be "dmz"
[08:02] <crimsun> Jarz: cat /proc/asound/cards
[08:02] <jordanau> chet__, agreed
[08:02] <zaofreek> and they talked about the "upcoming 3.4 or 4.0 version"
[08:02] <Nalioth> it sounds great! i know peeps like that....armed with enough knowledge to be deadly .....to themselves
[08:02] <zaofreek> then i realized the date on the zdnet story was august 2004...
[08:02] <chet__> jordanau, i came from mepis, and liking it
[08:02] <PD> jordanau, its only reporting 640x480 on my desktop
[08:03] <Nalioth> indigirl1, with a 'stupid' hub i keep thinking individual IPs on every machine...
[08:03] <qqnluaq> lotsa stuff.. but 1280 is definitely in there.  maybe i need to spec the refresh, and/or colour depth
[08:03] <Jarz> 0 [CK804          ] : NFORCE - NVidia CK804
[08:03] <Jarz>                      NVidia CK804 with ALC850 at 0xd2103000, irq 23
[08:03] <jordanau> PD, so you want to change your resolution and you already edited your xorg.conf file right?
[08:03] <indigirl1> Nalioth: remind me of your setup
[08:03] <lamont_r> indigirl1: actually, dmz's are frequently found behind multiple firewals
[08:03] <Fangy> Folks, I just installed latest ubuntu. How do I mount ny windows drive to access it please?
[08:04] <jordanau> Fangy, begginers guide
[08:04] <crimsun> Jarz: please paste the output of ,,amixer'' (without commas/quotes) to http://pastebin.com
[08:04] <danko123451> Fangy: there is a guide...
[08:04] <PD> jordanau, ya i have only kept the option for 1024x in the xorg.conf file
[08:04] <danko123451> ubuntuguide.org
[08:04] <jordanau> PD you deleted the rest?
[08:04] <CitizenKane> thoreauputic: i got this message back, cupsd: Child exited with status 99!
[08:04] <Nalioth> indigirl1, multiple machines behind a cable modem then router. only one machine is now dmz'd
[08:04] <Fangy> jordany where please?
[08:04] <PD> jordanau, yes
[08:04] <jordanau> google
[08:04] <Fangy> ah
[08:04] <PD> jordanau, hehe :)
[08:04] <jordanau> Fangy, i forgot the link exaclty
[08:04] <danko123451> there Fangy, ubuntuguide.orf
[08:05] <danko123451> org
[08:05] <thoreauputic> CitizenKane: hmm... try pasting the error in google and see what pops up
[08:05] <CitizenKane> ok
[08:05] <Fangy> thanks danko123451
[08:05] <danko123451> you found it?
[08:05] <Fangy> Now for lots of reading
[08:05] <thoreauputic> CitizenKane: I've no idea what "status 99" might mean
[08:05] <Nalioth> indigirl1, thank you, i'll think on it tomorrow (gotten spoiled by the router)
[08:05] <jordanau> Fangy, its not that much just follow http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#windows step by step
[08:06] <Nalioth> indigirl1, and its been a long hard day of work
[08:06] <Jarz> done
[08:06] <indigirl1> Nalioth: check out port forwarding. good night
[08:06] <jordanau> PD, i am not going to say that was a bad idea but it might not have been the best
[08:06] <jordanau> and there he goes, well maybe it worked...
[08:07] <CitizenKane> thoreauputic: nor do i, printer preferences was working fine a few days ago
[08:07] <Fangy> jordanu thanks
[08:09] <crimsun> Jarz: are you using the analog line-out for speakers or the optical (spdif) out?
[08:10] <Jarz> I am using spdif but not optical
[08:10] <|QuaD-> how is a good way to see the gpg keys on my computer?
[08:11] <crimsun> Jarz: unmute and adjust surround, center, and LFE
[08:11] <revelater> how do i stop a hacker?
[08:11] <|QuaD-> revelater: lol
[08:11] <Jarz> I will try, but I get the pipleline error that a lot of people mention in the forums, should I go through oss
[08:11] <lamont_r> |QuaD-: generally speaking, gpg --list-keys
[08:11] <undre6k> register a gun
[08:11] <thoreauputic> revelater: give him beer and pizza ;)
[08:11] <revelater> besides giving him an ip adress of 172.0.0.1
[08:11] <crimsun> Jarz: the unable to construct... stuff? pgrep esd
[08:11] <revelater> lol
[08:11] <|QuaD-> lamont_r: i am referring to the ones recieved from others
[08:12] <Jarz> exacly
[08:12] <Jarz> 7181
[08:12] <lamont_r> |QuaD-: well, if you imported them, then gpg --list-keys will show them... if you didn't then they're not there....
[08:12] <thoreauputic> revelater: I think you meant "cracker"
[08:12] <revelater> ok, how hard is it to hack into a linux system?
[08:12] <revelater> whatever
[08:12] <|QuaD-> lamont_r: ok thanks
[08:12] <crimsun> Jarz: and what sound are you attempting to use?
[08:12] <Jarz> alsa
[08:12] <crimsun> Jarz: sound application^
[08:13] <Jarz> whatever xmms or ubuntu def mp3 player
[08:13] <crimsun> Jarz: esd has already grabbed /dev/dsp, no other alsa app can access it.
[08:13] <Burgundavia> revelater, fairly difficult. Average uptime before an unprotected system gets rooted is about 3 months
[08:13] <Fangy> now i'm happy. Got all my firefix bookmarks from my windows drive. DOn't feel naked any more
[08:13] <zerokarmaleft> where is configuration for recently opened documents kept at?
[08:13] <Jarz> what is esd, ohhh the enli..... sound daemon, damn my stinking brain
[08:14] <crimsun> Jarz: you need to configure gstreamer-properties to use esd (and thus xmms needs to use esd), or you need to pkill esd, then configure all apps to use alsa directly
[08:14] <revelater> so if i restart my system every..month i should be fine?
[08:14] <Burgundavia> revelater, restarting your computer and security have nothing to do with each other
[08:14] <zerokarmaleft> configuration as in, a text file of the history of recently opened document via mime association
[08:14] <thoreauputic> revelater: umm... with a decent firewall and proper configuration, you won't need to
[08:14] <Jarz> okay I will try both, I would prefer alsa as this sh..... onboard sound probably needs all the help it can get. Thanks a lot for the fresh ideas
[08:15] <revelater> Burgundavia: what do you mean by the average uptime, from the begging of the attack or from starting up?
[08:15] <PD> revelater, the best way to start securing is not to keep weak passwords, I'v had my punishment for that
[08:15] <Burgundavia> revelater, average uptime to getting successfully attacked. Windows is about 3 minutes
[08:15] <revelater> thoreauputic: i don't like firewalls, they make life dificult
[08:15] <candrews> when i start powernowd, i get the following error: ncpus is not a multiple of threads_per_core!
[08:15] <candrews> anyone have a clue what that means? google is of no help
[08:15] <PD> revelater, no firewal no security
[08:16] <revelater> Burgundavia: i know that much... :P
[08:16] <thoreauputic> revelater: heh - not haveing one makes life even more difficult, if you run servers/services
[08:16] <revelater> nope, just a home computer
[08:16] <Fufachew> i found a way to stop crackers from getting into my computer: quit eating snack food around the CPU
[08:16] <revelater> that would fix teh problem
[08:17] <thoreauputic> revelater: have you tried Firestarter ? It's a decent front end for an iptables firewall
[08:17] <Choubaka> pegleg :)
[08:17] <Seveas> Fufachew, lol :)
[08:17] <revelater> i have a built in firewall in my modem
[08:18] <thoreauputic> revelater: so what's the problem? You need to use port forwarding or something like that?
[08:18] <Seveas> revelater, if you install no services on your Ubuntu machine, you don't really need a firewall
[08:18] <DJSelbeck> i have a problem with synaptic. if i want to install packages it starts downloading and if it is finished the normal mouse cursor turns into a cross and synaptic stops working
[08:19] <revelater> Seveas: what do you mean?
[08:19] <revelater> Seveas: wi nkow i currently do not have ssh running
[08:19] <Seveas> revelater, Ubuntu comes with no listening servers by default
[08:19] <DJSelbeck> if the mouse cursor is a cross i must doubleclick everything
[08:19] <Seveas> so if you don't install any, there is no hacking possibility
[08:19] <thoreauputic> revelater: by default, Ubuntu has no services running - thus nothing to crack, no open ports
[08:19] <Jarz> Crimsun THANK U !!!
[08:20] <Seveas> revelater, if you run sshd, you need strong passwords, not a firewall
[08:20] <crimsun> Jarz: np
[08:20] <Seveas> likewise for apache; you'll need a good config and safe cgi-bin or php files, no firewall
[08:20] <revelater> thoreauputic: ok, but what about having things like amule and bittornado?
[08:21] <Jarz> IT was the only thing left for this thing to run perfectly, apart from the fact that 64bit is really well supported yet. I am no newbie but I really got stuck here, probably because I am so used to doing things the alsa way
[08:21] <Seveas> revelater, they are supposed not to allow cracking
[08:21] <thoreauputic> revelater: just allow the ports you need
[08:21] <Seveas> but i have no experience with these
[08:21] <revelater> that is difficult
[08:21] <thoreauputic> revelater: what is difficult?
[08:21] <revelater> as bittornado needs MANY ports, and my firewall locks up at about 100 open ports
[08:21] <Fangy> Damn. I keep trying the examples in the guide and I keep getting "package not found"
[08:21] <Levander> Any word on whether Ubuntu is going to upgrade FF to 1.0.3, or is the backports project the only way to go to apt-get that update?
[08:22] <revelater> 1000
[08:22] <Levander> Fangy: you enable universe and multiverse?
[08:22] <Jarz> bittornado in the btmanycurses version can run with 10 ports open, that isn't "many"
[08:22] <Fangy> err, no. Being beginnerish, I didn't see a connection:(
[08:22] <crimsun> zerokarmaleft: from the command line?
[08:22] <Seveas> Levander, it will be updated in hoary
[08:22] <Fangy> okay, I will read some more:)
[08:23] <crimsun> zerokarmaleft: you can zero out ~/.recently-used
[08:23] <Levander> Fangy: there are prerequisites for every item in the guide.
[08:23] <Seveas> Levander, ff in hoary already has most 1.0.3 security fixes
[08:23] <undre6k> crimsun: mplayer will work right? :)
[08:23] <Levander> Fangy: enabling those two is one of the prerequisites
[08:23] <Levander> of whatever you're installing
[08:24] <Levander> Seveas: oh really? where'd you see that?
[08:24] <Fangy> okay, doing it know. not suprising how little I know or deduce:)
[08:24] <revelater> how do i stop irssi from displaying my ip address at exit
[08:24] <revelater> ?
[08:24] <zerokarmaleft> crimsun, i'll try that...went ahead and installed gnome-panel-dbg to get a more useful backtrace: http://www.pastebin.com/277039
[08:24] <Seveas> Levander, there have been numerous discussions about it already :)
[08:24] <crimsun> undre6k: will work with...?
[08:25] <Levander> Seveas: who did the patching? did ubuntu themselves do it? somebody from debian?
[08:25] <thoreauputic> revelater: umm... anyone can see you IP when you are on IRC
[08:25] <revelater> thats a problem...
[08:25] <Seveas> Levander, not sure, read the changelogs if you really want to knoe :)
[08:25] <undre6k> is that your repository?
[08:25] <Seveas> know*
[08:25] <thoreauputic> revelater: 69.225.141.81
[08:25] <Levander> where do I find the changelogs?
[08:25] <thoreauputic> revelater: it isn't a problem at all
[08:25] <zerokarmaleft> crimsun, that did it...ty very much...i was digging through .gnome2 and .gconf :/
[08:26] <revelater> how hard would it be to hack me?
[08:26] <crimsun> Levander: /usr/share/doc/$package/changelog.Debian.gz
[08:26] <thoreauputic> revelater: aren't you being a bit pararanoid?
[08:26] <Levander> Fangy: and read *all* the prereqs! might learn something?? ;)
[08:26] <thoreauputic> *paranoid
[08:26] <Levander> crimsun: thanks, checking it now
[08:26] <revelater> i value my anime collection
[08:26] <crimsun> zerokarmaleft: np
[08:26] <revelater> :P
[08:26] <revelater> plus, i use this computer for business also
[08:27] <revelater> ...
[08:27] <xukun> I get this message after I run ap-get upgrade: "WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!
[08:27] <xukun>   mozilla-firefox-gnome-support mozilla-firefox
[08:27] <xukun> Install these packages without verification [y/N] ?
[08:27] <xukun> "
[08:27] <revelater> that said, whats a good backup program?
[08:27] <thoreauputic> revelater: as a generalisation, Linux is pretty hard to crack
[08:27] <xukun> what can I do about this?
[08:28] <Mistiry> anyone available for help?
[08:28] <revelater> is there a good backup program i can apt-get?
[08:28] <thoreauputic> revelater: rsync is a good way to back up your data
[08:28] <thoreauputic> cli of course
[08:28] <revelater> hmmm, will look into that
[08:28] <revelater> i have to go now, thanks for the help
[08:28] <FeJaOr> does anybody know how to play or make a playlist in totem??
[08:29] <thoreauputic> revelater: there are any number of ways to back up in linux
[08:29] <Mistiry> ok, i am a real noob at linux. just installed ubuntu, and there is something weird at the bottom of the screen. like the monitor is messed up.
[08:30] <ficusplanet> FeJaOr, There is a button to save in the playlist window, and you can play one by going to Movie>>Open.  Totem isn't meant to be a music player, though.
[08:30] <MuStR> what's up
[08:31] <FeJaOr> ficusplanet, what's a good mp3 player then?
[08:31] <Mistiry> not alot here. hoping someone can help me.
[08:31] <p0m> Rythmbox does better at that.
[08:31] <ficusplanet> FeJaOr, I like muine.
[08:31] <p0m> Xmms as well.
[08:32] <MuStR> xmms is similar to winamp
[08:32] <thoreauputic> FeJaOr: sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad to play mp3 in rhythmbox
[08:32] <ficusplanet> If you want something like winamp/xmms, you might as well just use beep media player.  It's the same thing but with gtk2
[08:32] <g14> FeJaOr: Beep Media Player is based off of xmms and uses the gtk2 toolkit so it's much much prettier
[08:32] <MuStR> anyone know why my vids lag in Totem?
[08:33] <ficusplanet> MuStR, Install totem-xine
[08:33] <Janux> MuStR, but Winamp shows Unicode correctly, xmms doesn't
[08:33] <MuStR> Unicode?
[08:33] <MuStR> I'm a newb.
[08:33] <thoreauputic> Janux: it does here...
[08:33] <FeJaOr> g14, what is the name?...is it better than muine?
[08:33] <MuStR> xmms also doesn't have a Media Library option
[08:33] <MuStR> ...which is disappointing
[08:33] <Levander> g14: yeah, looks like you're right.  Apparently whoever maintains the ubuntu firefox package was installing patches against what was released in 1.0.2 to have some of the fixes that were in 1.0.3.  It's in the firefox package changelog.
[08:34] <ficusplanet> FeJaOr, It is different than Muine.  Muine makes a catalog of your music from the id3 tags.  Beep doesn't.  The package might be bmp.
[08:34] <Choubaka> Janux: Yes it does
[08:34] <thoreauputic> MuStR: if you want the library feature, use rhythmbox
[08:34] <g14> Levander: good, I'm not going crazy then
[08:34] <Choubaka> Janux: You just need to use a UTF-8 locale
[08:34] <ficusplanet> Nevermind, beep-media-player
[08:34] <Choubaka> yeah :P
[08:35] <FeJaOr> Im looking for something similar as Musicmatch
[08:35] <Choubaka> though bmp is rather unstable at times.
[08:35] <ficusplanet> FeJaOr, Give muine a shot.  It's got a really nice interface.
[08:35] <FeJaOr> that I can make playlists, rip cds, etc etc
[08:35] <Levander> g14, i was thinking about asking in the other channel, but didn't wanna start flame war.  I've read a couple of times, but don't know how widely believed, that because ubuntu has fewer supported packages than fedora, it ends up their being less bugs in fedora.  You've ever heard same thing?
[08:36] <Levander> fuck, here comes the flame, war, wrong channel...
[08:36] <Levander> gotta go guys...
[08:36] <Levander> oh wiat, no, i am in #ubuntu, don't have to leave, phew!
[08:36] <ficusplanet> FeJaOr, I don't know of a music player with a cd ripper in linux.  Unix design principles lean toward simple apps that do one thing well.  Muine will let you make/save/play playlists, though.
[08:36] <Choubaka> Levander: Haha.
[08:37] <Mistiry> anyone be able to help me with display problems?
[08:37] <Choubaka> Hmm, how many supported packages does Fedora have?
[08:37] <FeJaOr> ficusplanet, I'll give muine a try...thanks though
[08:37] <Seveas> Levander, lol, and you're partly right even
[08:37] <Seveas> ubuntu may have less officially supported packages, but the support is better :)
[08:37] <DmD> hi, i just installed Ubuntu and i'm trying to automount an NTFS filesystem so ic an access some mp3 files that i have on there, can anyone help?
[08:37] <Levander> Choubaka: don't know the exact number, but supposed to be more, that's what ubuntu got hit on for warty release, when they didn't have as much multimedia...
[08:37] <g14> Levander: Yeah there are some great little /. trolls in #fedora that love rtfm stfu and all of that intense l33t speak
[08:37] <Levander> Seveas: yeah, that's what I read
[08:37] <shad0w1e> how can I force apt-get to NOT ask for the cd, but to download files off the internet?
[08:38] <DmD> i downloaded the latest core, 5.04
[08:38] <Levander> Seveas: i like the trade-off for ubuntu
[08:38] <topyli> Levander, Choubaka: isn't fedora unsupported altogether?
[08:38] <thoreauputic> FeJaOr: in rhythmbox, importing a CD will fire up Sound Juicer to rip it
[08:38] <danko123451> DmD: use ubuntuguide.org
[08:38] <ficusplanet> shad0w1e, Go to Settings>>Repositories in Synaptic.
[08:38] <Levander> shad0w1e: remove the cd from /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:38] <shad0w1e> ficusplanet: I'm telnetted into my friend's computer
[08:38] <Choubaka> topyli: hmmm, yeah.
[08:38] <shad0w1e> Levander... that i can do
[08:38] <danko123451> DmD: http://ubuntuguide.org/#automountntfs
[08:38] <Levander> g14: but you've ever heard same thing?
[08:39] <ficusplanet> shad0w1e, Then edit his sources.list in /etc
[08:39] <Choubaka> No.
[08:39] <Choubaka> But Ubuntu's so good I can easily believe it.
[08:39] <DmD> danko:  thanx :)
[08:39] <shad0w1e> i dont see it in sources.list
[08:39] <ficusplanet> shad0w1e, sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:39] <Choubaka> Though hmm
[08:39] <Levander> topyli: don't know what they would consider "support" that's why I'm asking about this comment i've seen a few times
[08:39] <DmD> anyone here live in Minnesota?
[08:39] <Choubaka> I still don't see text in Firefox's download plugin dialog :|
[08:39] <shad0w1e> oh wait i got it
[08:40] <shad0w1e> first line
[08:40] <shad0w1e> thans
[08:40] <MuStR> another newb question: is there any way I can view folders that start with periods using nautilus? I ssh'd into my comp and saw them, and want to get some files out of the folders, but I really don't know how to
[08:40] <ficusplanet> shad0w1e, np
[08:40] <Levander> shad0w1e: http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[08:40] <danko123451> DmD: yw
[08:40] <ficusplanet> MuStR, View->Show Hidden Files
[08:40] <thoreauputic> MuStR: hit ctrl-H
[08:40] <FeJaOr> kind of a question.....what is the difference between all the types of Linux OS?? What does it ubuntu better or worse?? How come some of the Linux OS are not free?? I thought Linux was a free OS
[08:40] <Seveas> MuStR, files and folders that start with a . are the so called 'hidden files'
[08:40] <g14> Levander: ubuntu having fewer supported packages than fedora leads to fedora having less bugs? I can't say I've ever heard that
[08:40] <shad0w1e> Beautiful, people - its working GREAT!
[08:40] <dell500> how might you test the 3d acceleration?
[08:41] <Seveas> FeJaOr, the difference is they way all things are integrated and made consistent
[08:41] <crimsun> FeJaOr: to be precise, Linux is a kernel, and there are various distributions of free software built around the kernel.
[08:41] <ficusplanet> dell500, Run glxgears
[08:41] <shad0w1e> dell500: type glxinfo |grep direct
[08:41] <MuStR> beautiful.
[08:41] <Seveas> FeJaOr, and the beauty about Ubuntu is that it is integrated good
[08:41] <MuStR> Thanks, ficusplanet ant thoreaputic.
[08:41] <Levander> g14: here's only place I've seen it in an official article: http://osnews.com/story.php?news_id=8964
[08:41] <Seveas> (and that there is nice hardware support)
[08:41] <ficusplanet> MuStR, np
[08:41] <thoreauputic> FeJaOr: Free as in Freedom, not price necessarily
[08:41] <dell500> runnin pretty good
[08:41] <MuStR> also ficusplanet thanks for the Totem help
[08:41] <MuStR> it worked.
[08:41] <ficusplanet> Great.
[08:41] <FeJaOr> Seveas, in what way??
[08:41] <g14> Levander: I LOVE osnews. I check that site about 3 times/day
[08:41] <crimsun> FeJaOr: some distributions include non-free software by default; some include commercial software in their commercial packages; all, however, include access to source for their modifications to truly free software.
[08:42] <shad0w1e> you dont really get such a good idea from the gears, always.... if you're getting over 1000 fps, you're getting 3d, but my other method always works..
[08:42] <dell500> shad0w1e, what does this all mean??
[08:42] <shad0w1e> basically you type in glxinfo
[08:42] <DmD> i'm not sure if my sound works, i don't know if it detected my soundcard during set up...
[08:42] <shad0w1e> dell500: it tells you all this crap about your video
[08:42] <Seveas> FeJaOr, the selection of pacakages, the stability of the whole etc...
[08:42] <dell500> Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
[08:42] <dell500> direct rendering: No
[08:42] <dell500> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
[08:42] <crimsun> DmD: cat /proc/asound/cards
[08:42] <shad0w1e> dell500: if you type it in with | grep direct
[08:42] <dell500> that's what i got
[08:42] <DmD> alright
[08:42] <DmD> i'm installing java atm
[08:43] <DmD> ;)
[08:43] <ficusplanet> DmD, Go to the volume control and see if you have anything under file>>device.
[08:43] <shad0w1e> dell500: it only picks out the lines that have "direct" in them
[08:43] <FeJaOr> Seveas, so you're basically telling me that Ubuntu is the most stable Linux OS??
[08:43] <shad0w1e> there you go, direct rendering: no
[08:43] <shad0w1e> that means no 3d
[08:43] <dell500> well i just changed the /etc/X11/conf
[08:43] <crimsun> shad0w1e: (no hardware-accelerated 3d)
[08:43] <dell500> /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:43] <Seveas> FeJaOr, another important point is the number of security updates and how quick they are used
[08:44] <Seveas> (Ubuntu is fast with that)
[08:44] <dell500> from drive "ati" to driver "fglrx"
[08:44] <Seveas> FeJaOr, i wouldn't know, i did not try them all
[08:44] <dell500> how do you update again?? with synaptic or something
[08:44] <Seveas> FeJaOr, but it is the most stable of all i tested (debian, RH, suse, FC,slackware, gentoo)
[08:45] <danko123451> update what>
[08:45] <FeJaOr> is there any way in ubuntu to get to a restore point?? I mean, just in case you screw some installation
[08:45] <dell500> just packages and stuff
[08:45] <Seveas> FeJaOr, you can always undo installations
[08:45] <thoreauputic> FeJaOr: well, something like Debian Woody is more stable, but the software is old - also enterprise distros are more stable of course
[08:45] <danko123451> apt-get update&&apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:45] <dell500> such as apt-get upgrade
[08:45] <DmD> alright java is working and my soundcard was detected ;d
[08:45] <p0m> dell500: Did you run the fgrlxconfig program before restarting xorg?
[08:46] <dell500> p0m, nope
[08:46] <Brioche> hello
[08:46] <dell500> i just did what it says on http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:46] <thoreauputic> FeJaOr: you need to think differently: restore points etc are windowsisms
[08:46] <FeJaOr> Seveas, how?? I mean what if i downloaded a program from a web and wanted to uninstall??
[08:46] <p0m> dell500: That would probably explain why you don't have 3d accelleration enabled.
[08:46] <Brioche> I've encontred a big problem when bootin with liveCD..
[08:46] <Brioche> Error 21 !
[08:46] <dell500> ya
[08:47] <danko123451> wow, not 21?
[08:47] <p0m> You can't just expect 3d drivers to work off the bat.
[08:47] <danko123451> :)P
[08:47] <dell500> i'm going through a howto on enabling it
[08:47] <Brioche> is there someone to tell me what is it ?
[08:47] <dell500> once it's enabled, getting 3d apps (such as getting games ie counter-strike) to work is easy right?
[08:47] <FeJaOr> thoreauputic, that's because Im more familiar with windows terms...but Im spending a lot of time on Ubuntu on learning the language and how this works
[08:47] <Brioche> danko123451: ?
[08:47] <danko123451> lets see, no.21....
[08:47] <dell500> p0m, well i want them to :)
[08:47] <rixth> Does Ubuntu use X.org of XFree86?
[08:47] <FeJaOr> thoreauputic, but still having a lot of problems with programs, installations, concepts and all the new stuff
[08:47] <p0m> dell500: Which drivers are you trying to set up, ATI or fglrx?
[08:48] <Seveas> rixth, ubuntu 5.04 uses x.org
[08:48] <rixth> or Xfreee86*
[08:48] <danko123451> Does anyone know what error 21 is with the innstall CD?
[08:48] <p0m> rixth: Latest uses xorg.
[08:48] <dell500> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3567&highlight=ATI+9600xt+3d+acceleration
[08:48] <thoreauputic> FeJaOr: That's good :) to uninstall, just do sudo apt-get remove <package> , or use synaptic
[08:48] <Seveas> 4.10 uses xfree
[08:48] <dell500> fglrx
[08:48] <rixth> Seveas, thanks. I'm moving over from Debian.
[08:48] <FeJaOr> thoreauputic, lets say is a program downloaded from internet .... and can't use synaptica
[08:48] <FeJaOr> thoreauputic, and the way I installed is ./
[08:49] <Brioche> (sorry for my bad english..)
[08:49] <thoreauputic> FeJaOr: unless it has an uninstall script, you delete the files
[08:49] <danko123451> No worries.
[08:49] <shad0w1e> dell500: what kind of motherboard u using?
[08:49] <thoreauputic> FeJaOr: if you compiled it, you can sometimes do "make uninstall"
[08:49] <FeJaOr> thoreauputic, but there's an icon on the applications -> system tools and can't get rid of that
[08:49] <dell500> shad0w1e, A7N8X-E Deluxe, 2700+ i think
[08:49] <shad0w1e> I have a SiS chipset, i had to add this thing into xorg.conf for it to work...
[08:49] <FeJaOr> :O
[08:50] <dell500> i wanna try and get Counter-strike source to work through steam :)
[08:50] <dell500> long shot, but i hate windows :)
[08:50] <thoreauputic> FeJaOr: ah, yes, the menu editing issue...
[08:50] <danko123451> 1: Does anyone know what error 21 is with the liveUbuntu CD?
[08:50] <shad0w1e> dell500: you using hoary or warty
[08:50] <dell500> hoary
[08:50] <FeJaOr> thoreauputic, is kind of annoying that
[08:50] <shad0w1e> did you INSTALL fglrx?
[08:51] <thoreauputic> FeJaOr: generally it's best to use the package manager - that way the menus get changed
[08:51] <Brioche> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=17529
[08:51] <dell500> i just did what it said on wiki
[08:51] <dell500> its installed i think
[08:51] <dell500> just not setup
[08:51] <p0m> dell500: If you run the fglrxconfig program, it's much the same as XF86cfg, all it does is ask you some simple questions, generate a config, and then you have to just restart X :)
[08:51] <shad0w1e> you dont need to use their setup
[08:51] <FeJaOr> thoreauputic, in this case, the package was not on the package manager (synaptic)
[08:51] <shad0w1e> you can modify xorg.conf just as well
[08:51] <thoreauputic> FeJaOr: there is a menu editor available - but it's a gnome issue, not an ubuntu issue
[08:51] <danko123451> whats the program again?
[08:51] <shad0w1e> fglrxconfig ?
[08:51] <FeJaOr> thoreauputic, where??
[08:51] <shad0w1e> it writes an XF86Config-4 file
[08:52] <shad0w1e> if you rename it to xorg.conf
[08:52] <thoreauputic> FeJaOr: which package did you install?
[08:52] <danko123451> FeJaOr: which program agan?
[08:52] <shad0w1e> (of course back up the original file)
[08:52] <shad0w1e> idk getting ati cards to work on linux is like getting a dog to talk
[08:52] <danko123451> FeJaOr: http://ubuntuguide.org/#menu-editor
[08:53] <dell500> shad0w1e, i'm this far, fglrx | sudo tee -a /etc/modules
[08:53] <thoreauputic> FeJaOr: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=21390&highlight=menu+editor+hoary
[08:53] <dell500> doesn't really do anything though
[08:53] <thoreauputic> menu editor^^
[08:53] <Zerboxx> Is there an "alarm" program that comes with (or available) with Ubuntu, to start up a program or start a playlist at a given time?
[08:53] <FeJaOr> thoreauputic, it was the latest software/driver for my HP PSC 1210
[08:53] <robitaille> danko123451,  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UbuntuLiveCDError21 seems to show a way around error 21.  But I have never tried it myself
[08:54] <p0m> shad0w1e: I can get my 9550 to work fine under linux, the config program works perfectly.
[08:55] <dell500> so what shall i do?
[08:55] <dell500> run fglrxconfig?
[08:55] <danko123451> there, Brioche:
[08:55] <thoreauputic> Zerboxx: there's an xmms alarm plugin
[08:55] <danko123451> Brioche: (01:53:41) robitaille: danko123451,  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UbuntuLiveCDError21 seems to show a way around error 21.  But I have never tried it myself
[08:55] <FeJaOr> danko123451, I tried that but it always tells me that I don't have enough privileges to do that
[08:55] <Blue-Omega> i'm not able to mount lg GCE-8525B drive during installtion of Ubuntu 4.10 anybody can help me?
[08:55] <FeJaOr> danko123451, I mean, to erase an icon
[08:55] <Brioche> thx danko123451
[08:55] <ficusplanet> Zerboxx, There's also a muine alarm clock plugin.
[08:55] <shad0w1e> dell500: i never did that
[08:55] <danko123451> yw
[08:56] <Brioche> see you soon...
[08:56] <danko123451> FeJaOr: I dont know, it worked fine for me
[08:56] <Brioche> good bye
[08:56] <danko123451> bybye
[08:56] <Brioche> thx a lot
[08:56] <shad0w1e> i got MINE working
[08:56] <Brioche> I will try
[08:56] <shad0w1e> but it needed an extra line
[08:56] <danko123451> yup,hopefully it works
[08:56] <FeJaOr> danko123451, never mind...is working
[08:56] <danko123451> right
[08:56] <danko123451> :P
[08:56] <Frail> hey guys, i'm a newbie... could someone tell me how to install a .gz file?
[08:56] <Frail> or point me somewhere that tells me how
[08:57] <danko123451> I think, being 2am CST, that it is time for me to retire into my sleeping mode...
[08:57] <FeJaOr> danko123451, I read on the forum that they have a newer version....how can I upgrade it?
[08:57] <danko123451> not sure, FeJaOr
[08:57] <Zerboxx> ficusplanet: what is muine, seems big for an alarm (47mb)
[08:57] <danko123451> Frail: DOUBLE CLICK
[08:57] <shad0w1e>    In the Section "Device", ADD:
[08:57] <shad0w1e>       Option "UseInternalAGPGART" "no"
[08:57] <ficusplanet> Zerboxx, It is a music player.
[08:57] <danko123451> sorry about the caps
[08:57] <|QuaD-> Zerboxx: audio player
[08:57] <shad0w1e> I had to do that to get it working, dont know why
[08:57] <|QuaD-> Zerboxx: never gotten it to work with ubuntu
[08:57] <dell500> shad0w1e, : Option "UseInternalAGPGART" "no" ??
[08:57] <dell500> lol, w00t
[08:57] <Zerboxx> ficusplanet: Oh, makes sense then, thanks
[08:57] <shad0w1e> its a "troubleshooting" thing if it wont work without it
[08:58] <Zerboxx> |QuaD-: Thanks :)
[08:58] <danko123451> muine>?
[08:58] <shad0w1e> all i know is i installed an nvidia the other day and it went smooth sailing
[08:58] <danko123451> someonewas talking about getting it to work right here earlier
[08:58] <Frail> ok danko... it brings me to the folder the program it's in
[08:58] <ficusplanet> http://muine.gooeylinux.org/
[08:58] <Frail> how do i install the program from there?
[08:58] <danko123451> get the program out of the folder
[08:58] <danko123451> just drag and drop
[08:59] <p0m> shad0w1e: Strangely enough, mine doesn't work without it :)
[08:59] <danko123451> whats the extension of the file?
[08:59] <dell500> brb
[08:59] <Frail> which one? there's several
[08:59] <danko123451> Frail: whats the extension?
[08:59] <danko123451> not sure
[08:59] <danko123451> one of them, I guess.
[08:59] <Frail> I'm trying to install Muine
[09:00] <danko123451> is there a make file?
[09:00] <shad0w1e> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-21292.html
[09:00] <danko123451> just named make
[09:00] <Frail> yes there is
[09:00] <danko123451> cool
[09:00] <shad0w1e> p0m - what do you mean?
[09:00] <danko123451> then you need to get all files from that archive into a folder...
[09:00] <danko123451> an empty one for example
[09:00] <danko123451> then you $make
[09:00] <danko123451> $make install
[09:00] <danko123451> $install
[09:01] <shad0w1e> I had to add that line to get MINE working and I'm using a SiS motherboard
[09:01] <danko123451> after one is done, do the other
[09:01] <Frail> what's the default programs folder for Ubuntu?
[09:01] <p0m> shad0w1e: As in my card needs agpart to work.
[09:01] <dell500> is there an easier way of reboot through KDE, besides loging out and then rebooting??
[09:01] <shad0w1e> I also switched to the K7 kernel, although I dont know if that was necessary, .... probably not
[09:01] <danko123451> you can put it in opt/muine
[09:01] <FeJaOr> danko123451, how can I get the newest version of gaim?? I can't find it in synaptic
[09:01] <p0m> shad0w1e: Weird, I'm using a SiS based motherboard, and it doesn't work for it.
[09:01] <danko123451> or something, dont really matter...
[09:01] <FeJaOr> danko123451, and it marks me that there's a new version
[09:01] <shad0w1e> p0m ... what can I say?
[09:02] <Riddell> dell500: if you log in using kdm you can reboot from the logout screen
[09:02] <MuStR> FeJaOr: you can get the new version from http://gaim.sourceforge.net/
[09:02] <danko123451> its gonna get installed corferctly afterr you make, and install it
[09:02] <shad0w1e> CONTROL+ALT+BACKSPACE restarts X
[09:02] <MuStR> There are Ubuntu installation instructions there as well.
[09:02] <shad0w1e> ok im out, good luck dell dde.
[09:02] <danko123451> FeJaOr: where does it mark you that there is a new Gaim available?
[09:02] <p0m> Actually, I ctrl-alt-backspace'd on my box the other day, it didn't kill x, it killed the box :(
[09:03] <shad0w1e> p0m: are you using the windows version of linxu?
[09:03] <shad0w1e> lol
[09:03] <shad0w1e> everytihng is backwards for yoy
[09:03] <danko123451> windows version of Linux...gotta remembber that one
[09:03] <MuStR> danko123451: there latest version of Gaim is much newer than the one provided in the Ubuntu repository.
[09:03] <FeJaOr> danko123451, once I start Gaim
[09:03] <danko123451> reallyh
[09:03] <danko123451> Mine doesnt
[09:03] <MuStR> Yap.
[09:03] <danko123451> not sure what to tell you...
[09:04] <MuStR> Do you have auto-check turned on?
[09:04] <danko123451> probably not...
[09:04] <MuStR> Well, I just went to gaim.sourceforge.net and installed the latest version
[09:04] <danko123451> it works fine, though...
[09:04] <danko123451> Yeah, thats a good place for Gaim.
[09:04] <p0m> There's not benefit to updating Gaim from the base install.
[09:04] <MuStR> Unfortunately, I can't get the gaim-encryption to compile properly
[09:04] <MuStR> Sure there is.
[09:04] <p0m> I think there might be Gaim updates on security.ubuntu.com
[09:04] <MuStR> I was having a problem with one of the plugins
[09:05] <DmD> hi, i just tried to mount the Windows file system and i went through the steps in the Unbuntu Guide, but I get this error at the end "dmd is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported."
[09:05] <p0m> Aka, the updates repository.
[09:05] <danko123451> hehe
[09:05] <danko123451> awesome
[09:05] <danko123451> which try, dmd?
[09:05] <MuStR> brb
[09:05] <DmD> i restarted my machine to see if the mount work but i see the folder and i don't se the files in there
[09:05] <danko123451> which one, for the manual, or auto install?>
[09:05] <p0m> DmD: Might help if you could sudo. Are you using the first user you created on the system?
[09:05] <danko123451> so, the auto one then?
[09:06] <DmD> yes
[09:06] <DmD> # How to mount Windows partitions (NTFS) on boot-up, and allow all users to read only?
[09:06] <danko123451> ntfs?
[09:06] <danko123451> ok
[09:06] <DmD> that's the one i went thourgh
[09:06] <FeJaOr> danko123451, what is the difference on the packages when it says rpm??
[09:06] <danko123451> yeah, your user does not have the sudo...
[09:06] <FeJaOr> MuStR, hey, which one is the right one??
[09:06] <danko123451> FeJaOr: it is a whats it called...
[09:06] <danko123451> redhat
[09:06] <danko123451> package
[09:06] <danko123451> manager file
[09:06] <thoreauputic> DmD: if you aren't in the sudoers file, you must be running under a different account ( not the default user)
[09:07] <FeJaOr> danko123451, what you mean?
[09:07] <dell500> crap, now my desktop is all wierd
[09:07] <danko123451> what you do with those is described here: http://ubuntuguide.org/#convertrpmtodebfile
[09:07] <DmD> i went to System > Admin > Users and Groups and i get another error msg "Failed to run users-admin - Child terminated with 1 status"
[09:07] <dell500> the screen moves when i move the curser up and down
[09:07] <danko123451> it is not a debian file, it was meant to use on a redhat linux.
[09:07] <DmD> not sure why i got that msg..
[09:08] <danko123451> yeah, your user neeeds to be added to the sudoers list
[09:08] <joachim351> hello, I think I finally found the distro that I am comfortable with. I went through suse, fedora and now ubuntu thanks to all the people who put time and energy into making a distro that works well.
[09:08] <DmD> sudo gedit /etc/fstab
[09:08] <FeJaOr> MuStR, hey, which one is the right one??
[09:08] <DmD> that's the cmd i typed
[09:08] <DmD> i've done sudo before to install xmms and it worked
[09:08] <goli> how does one test if esd/alsa/oss has been configured correctly...when i test using  multimedia system selector...i get "testing ...click okay to finish"  or  "Failed to construct test pipeline"....and total silence
[09:09] <danko123451> DmD: http://ubuntuguide.org/#allowmoresudoers
[09:09] <danko123451> add yourf userf to the suudoers list
[09:09] <crimsun> goli: which do you get?
[09:09] <DmD> alright thanks
[09:09] <DmD> what about that error msg?
[09:09] <MuStR> FeJaOr: give me one second.
[09:10] <thoreauputic> DmD: you need sudo/admin privileges to run that
[09:10] <thoreauputic> DmD: hence error I'd say
[09:10] <danko123451> same thing likely, dmd
[09:10] <FeJaOr> MuStR, sure
[09:10] <DmD> alright
[09:10] <danko123451> right thoreauputic?
[09:10] <goli> crimsun, "testing ...click okay to finish" for esd ,,,, and "Failed to construct test pipeline" for alsa and oss
[09:10] <DmD> sudo export EDITOR=gedit && sudo visudo
[09:10] <DmD> dmd is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported.
[09:10] <danko123451> same thing, just add himself to sudoers??
[09:10] <danko123451> then hell be able to open the network prefs...
[09:10] <danko123451> or whatever he was trying to do
[09:10] <crimsun> goli: that's correct.
[09:11] <danko123451> users-admin...yeah, dmd, that is why you got the error...
[09:11] <crimsun> goli: the default configuration uses esound (esd), which means that /dev/dsp has been grabbed already, so neither alsasink nor osssink will work
[09:11] <danko123451> you are not allowed to open that program, you are not a sudoer
[09:11] <Frail> ok i'm lost
[09:11] <thoreauputic> DmD: you might need to use the recovery option on reboot to get access to sudoers
[09:11] <danko123451> like all of us cool guys at #ubuntu, if I may say...
[09:11] <DmD> oh ok
[09:11] <goli> crimsun, i am using an acer travel mate with hot-key for mute/increase volume/decrease volume...the speaker icon on the panel responds correctly...but i cannot hear anything
[09:11] <danko123451> so, add yourself to thee list...
[09:11] <danko123451> lol
[09:11] <rixth> If Wine installs something to the 'C:' drive. Where does it ACTUALLY go?
[09:11] <danko123451> anyhow
[09:11] <danko123451> Frail: wassup?
[09:12] <bob2> rixth: look under ~/.wine/
[09:12] <Frail> Can't figure this out
[09:12] <Frail> heh
[09:12] <crimsun> goli: so your issue is that you can't hear anything? Please paste the output of ,,amixer'' onto http://pastebin.com
[09:12] <geneo91> rixth:  in home dir
[09:12] <MuStR> FeJaOr: there is a very easy way. First, go here: http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/gaim/gaim-1.2.1.x86.package?download and download the package file. Once that is done, visit http://autopackage.org/docs/howto-install/index.html for instructions on how to install gaim.
[09:12] <zaofreek> rixth, usually in .wine/fake_windows/drive_c
[09:12] <zaofreek> or similar
[09:12] <rixth> Thanks
[09:12] <danko123451> thaks
[09:12] <goli> crimsun, thanks for helping...give me a sec
[09:13] <DmD> alright brb, i'm gonna try the recovery mode and see if i can add myself
[09:13] <danko123451> sure, go ahead
[09:13] <rixth> ~/.wine/drive_c/
[09:13] <geneo91> .wine drive_c
[09:13] <MuStR> fun fact: the lead programmer of Gaim goes to my University.
[09:13] <danko123451> wow
[09:13] <danko123451> what U is that?
[09:13] <MuStR> He's actually in my microeconomics class.
[09:14] <danko123451> awesome
[09:14] <danko123451> Gaim is big.
[09:14] <goli> crimsun, http://pastebin.com/277045
[09:14] <MuStR> Binghamton University
[09:14] <danko123451> If you ask me anyhhow.
[09:14] <MuStR> yeah
[09:14] <danko123451> wheres that?
[09:14] <MuStR> lol
[09:14] <danko123451> binghamtop...
[09:14] <MuStR> it has a much larger Linux following
[09:14] <MuStR> Binghamton is in New York
[09:14] <FeJaOr> MuStR, thanks a lot
[09:14] <danko123451> binge ham, top?
[09:14] <MuStR> FeJaOr, is it working yet?
[09:14] <danko123451> Awesome, so I learned to exciting facts today
[09:15] <danko123451> 2
[09:15] <MuStR> lol
[09:15] <MuStR> what was the other one?
[09:15] <geneo91> just above pa line
[09:15] <zaofreek> localhost hacking?
[09:15] <Frail> Could someone point me to a help website or something that goes step by step with how to install a program onto Ubuntu?
[09:15] <FeJaOr> MuStR, Im downloading it
[09:15] <danko123451> wellthe Gaim developer goping to your U...
[09:15] <MuStR> LOL localhost hacking
[09:15] <danko123451> and where it is.
[09:15] <danko123451> yeah, that one was fun
[09:15] <MuStR> lol
[09:16] <danko123451> Frail: which progrfam, the Muine?
[09:16] <Frail> yes
[09:16] <crimsun> goli: try increasing your headphones level
[09:16] <danko123451> did you put all the files from the .gz into a folder?
[09:16] <Frail> yes
[09:16] <crimsun> goli: also, mute your capture element
[09:16] <mebaran151> anybody know how to make either ethernet or wireless work on a Dell 8600 Laptop
[09:16] <danko123451> ok, then, go into that folder in a shel...
[09:16] <mebaran151> the module doesnt load
[09:16] <danko123451> and type in ./make
[09:16] <mebaran151> I am unsure which it should be
[09:17] <danko123451> tried NDISwrapper?
[09:17] <transgress> anyone know of good sound editor?  i wanna to cut like 20 minutes off of an mp3
[09:18] <thenuke> transgress: check the repos
[09:18] <transgress> ...
[09:18] <danko123451> Frail: did you get that?
[09:18] <g14-sleep> transgress: audacity
[09:18] <zaofreek> transgress, try audacity or sweep
[09:18] <danko123451> ./make
[09:18] <mebaran151> I would like ethernet to work
[09:18] <mebaran151> anyone what module it needs
[09:18] <mebaran151> so that I have internet
[09:18] <Frail> Alright. Sorry. There's no file called 'make' but two files called 'makefile.in' and 'makefile.am'
[09:18] <transgress> thanks
[09:18] <mebaran151> Frail: type make
[09:18] <thenuke> transgress: you dont need that pro software for cutting a slice of mp3 that you really cant check the repos by yourself if there is any available :)
[09:18] <danko123451> just type in ./make
[09:18] <mebaran151> make processes makefile
[09:18] <crimsun> Frail: is there a ./configure?
[09:19] <danko123451> in the folder, in a terminal
[09:19] <mebaran151> you just type make
[09:19] <mebaran151> not ./make
[09:19] <Frail> yes
[09:19] <danko123451> let me think'
[09:19] <danko123451> haha
[09:19] <crimsun> Frail: then you need to run ./configure before you can run make
[09:19] <Frail> oh ok
[09:19] <danko123451> crimsun: finally someone who knows said it...
[09:19] <danko123451> I was like..
[09:19] <danko123451> make.....
[09:19] <Frail> checking for XML::Parser... configure: error: XML::Parser perl module is required for intltool
[09:20] <Frail> gives me that
[09:20] <crimsun> Frail: what program are you trying to compile?
[09:20] <Frail> Muine
[09:20] <danko123451> muine
[09:20] <mebaran151> ok
[09:20] <mebaran151> I need module b44
[09:20] <crimsun> Frail: are you not using the one from Hoary/universe?
[09:20] <mebaran151> but it still doesnt dhcp
[09:20] <mebaran151> what do I do
[09:20] <Frail> I am
[09:20] <Frail> i got it from their website
[09:20] <crimsun> Frail: no no, Ubuntu distributes a binary of it in universe.
[09:21] <Frail> oh
[09:21] <Frail> then that's a negative
[09:21] <crimsun> Frail: enable the universe repository, then install muine
[09:21] <Frail> and how do i enable it?
[09:21] <crimsun> Frail: you can use Synaptic to add the universe repo (or you can do it manually)
[09:21] <crimsun> Frail: Settings>Repositories
[09:21] <bob2> wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto has the details
[09:22] <thoreauputic> Frail: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[09:22] <geneo91> crimsun:  is there any way to see if i'm getting any audio from tv card
[09:22] <danko123451> 	Oh, so you guys are pushing the official guide thing...
[09:23] <danko123451> well, does anyone have any info on why the ubuntuguide.org is unofficial?
[09:23] <MuStR> Well, whatever works
[09:23] <MuStR> :p
[09:23] <crimsun> geneo91: using the snd-bt87x driver?
[09:23] <danko123451> cause it references unfree programs?
[09:23] <MuStR> it does?
[09:23] <MuStR> :o
[09:23] <thoreauputic> danko123451: no, it's just an independent effort
[09:23] <MuStR> The ubuntuguide.org is pretty good
[09:23] <danko123451> well, for one the limewire.....
[09:23] <danko123451> no, I think it is great...
[09:23] <MuStR> oh but you're right, it does reference the game installer
[09:23] <danko123451> but, why is it unofficial
[09:24] <mebaran151> dhcp doesnt work
[09:24] <MuStR> ...which costs money
[09:24] <mebaran151> even with the module
[09:24] <mebaran151> I think I need to repair the ifup script
[09:24] <bob2> no
[09:24] <danko123451> why is ubuntuguide.org still unofficial, anyone have an idea?
[09:24] <bob2> danko123451: dude, chill out
[09:24] <bob2> asking a question once is plenty
[09:25] <danko123451> ok, ok...
[09:25] <bob2> it's unofficial because it was written by some random dude
[09:25] <thoreauputic> MuStR: costing money isn't the definition of "non-free"
[09:25] <bob2> if he/she would like it put on the official website, he/she would have to ask
[09:25] <danko123451> ok, youre friendly...
[09:25] <danko123451> Ok, later, bob2
[09:25] <bob2> er, ok then
[09:25] <goli> crimsun, still no luck...i can only control the oss mixer and the also mixer from the volume control....how do i get to the esd mixer
[09:26] <crimsun> goli: please open a terminal and use alsamixer
[09:26] <MuStR> thoreauputic: was that a joke, or would you mind explaining
[09:26] <mebaran151> should I b44 it
[09:26] <mebaran151> or something
[09:26] <thoreauputic> MuStR: no joke - "non-free" means we aren't free to use and modify the code, basically
[09:27] <MuStR> ahh.
[09:27] <dell500> how do i get rid of the stretching of the xy in fglrx??
[09:27] <MuStR> I see.
[09:27] <mebaran151> I am on a dell 8600
[09:27] <Frail> ok which one of these things am I adding?
[09:27] <mebaran151> I need to dll my stuff
[09:28] <mebaran151> I want to either to use the wireless card built in
[09:28] <thoreauputic> MuStR: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html
[09:28] <topyli> thoreauputic: in many cases you're free to use non-free programs (acroread, flashplayer...). it's the source that matters
[09:28] <mebaran151> how would I use my Dell Truemobile 2400 card
[09:29] <thoreauputic> topyli: yes - but the source must be "free" to modify , as I said
[09:29] <thoreauputic> topyli: to qualify as "Free" software, I mean
[09:29] <mebaran151> ok
[09:30] <mebaran151> how would I set up my Dell Truemobile 1300 WLAN
[09:30] <mebaran151> using ndiswrapper
[09:30] <topyli> sure. that relates to the source, not usage. even IE is "freeware" while definitely non-free
[09:30] <mebaran151> so that it boots correctly too
[09:30] <DmD> hello, i just tried to add myself to the sudoers in recovery mode but when i typed export EDITOR=gedit && sudo visudo i got this error msg "Gtk-warning - cannot open display:  visudo"
[09:30] <thoreauputic> topyli: hence my posting the GNU philosophy link above :)
[09:30] <mebaran151> any takerw
[09:30] <mebaran151> s
[09:30] <topyli> yeah
[09:30] <DmD> i got the cmd from the ubuntu guide website..
[09:30] <thoreauputic> topyli: just to clarify
[09:30] <mebaran151> how would I set up ndiswrapper to work with a Dell Truemobile 1300 WLAN
[09:31] <p0m> By reading the ndiswrapper readme?
[09:31] <mebaran151> I meant without an internet connection
[09:32] <mebaran151> I could dll it easily
[09:32] <mebaran151> but I have only one computer
[09:32] <mebaran151> this is borrowed
[09:32] <mebaran151> will ndiswrapper fit on a floppy
[09:32] <mebaran151> ?
[09:32] <Frail> i can't find muine on the list
[09:32] <Frail> from university
[09:33] <DmD> would anyone be able to help me adding myself to sudo?
[09:33] <thoreauputic> Frail: that means the universe repository is  not enabled, or you didn't run reload/update
[09:34] <bezibaerchen> DmD: vi /etc/sudoers
[09:34] <Frail> i did
[09:34] <icebalm> DmD: haven't people already told you to edit sudoers?
[09:34] <Frail> it has other stuff
[09:34] <Frail> just not muine
[09:34] <DmD> i just tried to
[09:34] <DmD> but after i typed that cmd
[09:34] <topyli> never edit the sudoers file directly
[09:34] <DmD> i got an error
[09:34] <Frail> nevermind
[09:34] <thoreauputic> Frail: is this warty or hoary?
[09:34] <Frail> found it :)
[09:34] <DmD> "Gtk-warning - cannot open display visudo"
[09:34] <DmD> i did it under recovery mode
[09:35] <topyli> you have gedit or something as $EDITOR i guess
[09:35] <thoreauputic> DmD: try  ` EDITOR=nano  sudo visudo
[09:36] <DmD> alright, under recovery mode again?
[09:36] <thoreauputic> DmD: nano is a command line editor - the shortcut key combos are shown on the bottom
[09:36] <thoreauputic> DmD: yes, to get root rights you need recovery mode
[09:36] <DmD> alright thanks
[09:36] <DmD> brb
[09:36] <Frail> damn that's cool
[09:36] <Frail> thanks for the help guys
[09:36] <thoreauputic> DmD: to save changes, do control-X and say yes
[09:37] <DmD> ok thanks again :)
[09:37] <topyli> DmD: then fix the editor variable
[09:37] <DmD> i'll give it a try
[09:37] <DmD> editor variable?
[09:37] <DmD> sry i'm new to Linux ;)
[09:37] <thoreauputic> topyli: no need for a one-off
[09:37] <topyli> DmD: use nano as $EDITOR and gedit for $VISUAL for example
[09:37] <topyli> true
[09:37] <thoreauputic> topyli: keep it simple :)
[09:38] <topyli> right :)
[09:38] <DmD> heh
[09:38] <topyli> first things first :)
[09:38] <DmD> i've used Linux for awhile but i switched back to Windows
[09:38] <DmD> ;)
[09:38] <DmD> but now i'm determined to learn it
[09:38] <DmD> so i'll probably be in here most of the time
[09:38] <DmD> ;p
[09:38] <DmD> anyways brb
[09:38] <martin> DmD you picked a nice distro to learn on... ;)
[09:40] <goli> crimsun, sorry to bother you again...i used alsamixer ... and turned "headphone volume" up and made "capture" mute...but i don't think it worked properly...see http://pastebin.com/277047
[09:40] <Frail> for the love of god
[09:41] <Frail> could someone reccommend a program to me to play mp3's with?
[09:41] <Frail> on Ununtu
[09:41] <DmD> alright sweet
[09:41] <MuStR> xmms.
[09:41] <goli> crimsun, and i get this http://pastebin.com/277048 when i type esd in a terminal
[09:41] <DmD> that nano editor worked
[09:41] <p0m> Frail: Rythmbox, it comes with the base install.
[09:41] <guruff> hello :)
[09:42] <DmD> thanks guys
[09:42] <Frail> says i need a plugin though
[09:42] <thoreauputic> Frail: there are several, but for a start install gstreamer0.8-mad and try the default music player (rhythmbox)
[09:42] <thoreauputic> gstreamer0.8-mad
[09:42] <thoreauputic> sudo apt-get install  gstreamer0.8-mad  or find it in synaptic
[09:42] <DmD> in the editor i added system_username ALL=(ALL) ALL
[09:43] <DmD> was i supposed to replace username with my currently name ?
[09:43] <thoreauputic> DmD: yes
[09:43] <DmD> damnit
[09:43] <meng> Frail: if ur the ex windows guy, go fetch XMMS, the mp3 support is inclusive
[09:43] <DmD> gr
[09:43] <DmD> should of known
[09:43] <DmD> alright brb again
[09:44] <Frail> will try out both :(
[09:44] <Frail> err
[09:44] <Frail> :)
[09:44] <meng> Frail: add marillat repos to the apt list
[09:45] <Frail> and what's that?
[09:46] <thoreauputic> Frail: one thing at a time ;)
[09:46] <meng> http://sft.if.usp.br/debian-marillat/dists/stable/main/binary-i386/
[09:46] <meng> the non free stuff
[09:46] <Frail> you're telling me
[09:46] <Frail> heh
[09:46] <meng> acrobat reader, multimedia plugins
[09:46] <thoreauputic> Frail: you can get the special repositories later
[09:47] <meng> will make richard squeam
[09:47] <thoreauputic> meng: he's just starting - later maybe ;-)
[09:47] <Frail> i put the new in newbie
[09:47] <meng> thoreauputic: neglected it a little
[09:48] <meng> thoreauputic: it has the supposedly illgeal stuff that frail might not care
[09:48] <thoreauputic> Frail: no, stop thinking of yourself as a newebie: think of yourself as a learning aspirant :)
[09:48] <Frail> learning aspirant lol
[09:48] <meng> thoreauputic: i am still quite new in debian distros
[09:48] <Frail> i like that
[09:49] <meng> was using SUSE till they made all the CDs into DVDs
[09:49] <MuStR> grr I'm trying to get SuSE
[09:49] <thoreauputic> Frail: when you can parse your /etc/fstab, it will be time to leave the temple, Grasshopper ;-)
[09:49] <MuStR> :p
[09:49] <MuStR> ferociously trying to get SuSE.
[09:49] <meng> Frail: prepare for a long one
[09:50] <Frail> lol
[09:50] <Frail> i'm prepared
[09:50] <Frail> i've gone through 4 linux dist. so far
[09:50] <Frail> trying to find one i like
[09:50] <Frail> and i'm liking Ubuntu so far
[09:51] <meng> it took me over 20 to come here
[09:51] <Frail> got Java working thanks to someone here helping me with it
[09:51] <MuStR> wow.
[09:51] <MuStR> this is my first
[09:51] <MuStR> :p
[09:51] <Frail> and now i got mp3's playing thanks to you guys
[09:51] <thoreauputic> Frail: once you grok apt-get and / or synaptic, things become easy
[09:51] <MuStR> bed time, good night all
[09:51] <Frail> grok?
[09:51] <meng> apt-get rules
[09:51] <thoreauputic> Frail: understand
[09:51] <Frail> ahh ok
[09:52] <meng> thoreauputic: what language was that?
[09:52] <Frail> well now that i've found that out, i think i'll be doing pretty good
[09:52] <thoreauputic> meng: heh - geek-speak I guess ;-)
[09:52] <meng> i'll say reti instead
[09:52] <bezibaerchen> http://fun.drno.de/pics/unix-geek.jpg
[09:53] <goli> crimsun, off for lunch now...thanks for all the help...will keep poking around
[09:53] <terran> hey guys
[09:54] <terran> I've got a really old ISA NEC2000 card that didn't get picked up at all during the install, is it gonna be hard work getting this to work given that it's ISA ?
[09:54] <terran> (h.hedgehog)
[09:56] <thoreauputic> Consumer: the short answer is probably, yes
[09:57] <Consumer> okay, I'll just slap in a pci card what the hell :)
[09:57] <thoreauputic> Consumer: save you a lot of grief, I'd say
[09:58] <Funraiser> how come i can't unRAR a rar file? (using ubuntu Hoary)
[09:58] <Frail> ok guys... suggest a program to me
[09:59] <thoreauputic> Funraiser: enable multiverse, and install unrar-nonfree
[09:59] <geneo91> Funraiser:  maybe you have old version of unrar
[09:59] <Funraiser> I'm using the command "unrar e filename.r00" but it doesn't work
[09:59] <Funraiser> oh
[09:59] <bezibaerchen> .r00 looks like part of a multiple archive
[09:59] <Funraiser> it is
[09:59] <bezibaerchen> you need to start with unrar of .rar
[09:59] <Funraiser> :-)
[10:00] <bezibaerchen> it contains information of how to extract
[10:00] <thoreauputic> Frail: a program for what?
[10:00] <Funraiser> bezibaerchen, it still doesn't work
[10:01] <Funraiser> well i'll try the nonfree version
[10:01] <Frail> anything
[10:01] <Funraiser> thanks all!
[10:01] <meng> Frail: depends, ur ex windows?
[10:01] <Frail> sadly
[10:01] <Frail> yes
[10:01] <thoreauputic> Frail: Streamtuner
[10:01] <thoreauputic> Frail: ans Streamripper
[10:01] <thoreauputic> 8and
[10:01] <thoreauputic> bah
[10:01] <thoreauputic> *and
[10:02] <meng> Frail: use XMMS, it's winamp like
[10:03] <Quinn_Storm> hey, anyone else having trouble compiling kernel modules under breezy and getting the vermagic right (and compiler right)? I have gcc-3.3 installed and have tried to make it use it when it builds it but it always sets the vermagic at 4.0...(using module-assistant)...any suggestions?
[10:03] <Frail> i've got it running now, meng :)
[10:03] <meng> but if u like the iTunes look, rhytmbox is great
[10:03] <thoreauputic> and xmms will use streamtuner, which is a nice app
[10:04] <thoreauputic> actually you could use rhythmbox with streamtuner too - just by changing preferences
[10:04] <Funraiser> oh my god it works, thanks thoreauputic
[10:04] <thoreauputic> Funraiser: no worries :)
[10:06] <bob2> Quinn_Storm: breezy is very very very very not ready for regular users
[10:06] <Quinn_Storm> bob2: a regular user wouldn't be compiling kernel modules, would they? please don't come at me with something that insulting again
[10:06] <meng>  bob2: put a notice at brezzy wiki
[10:06] <bob2> er
[10:07] <bob2> I meant "don't use breezy", I guess
[10:07] <thoreauputic> Quinn_Storm: hmm - cool it
[10:07] <bob2> gcc 4.0 is the default in breezy
[10:07] <bob2> which breaks things
[10:07] <guruff> i have mix up with libglib, coule anyone help ?
[10:07] <bob2> guruff: just ask...
[10:08] <Frail> nice pick, thor
[10:08] <Frail> love it
[10:08] <guruff> can i flood 12 lines ????
[10:08] <Amaranth> guruff: No. http://rafb.net/paste/
[10:08] <thoreauputic> guruff: #flood
[10:08] <guruff> ?
[10:08] <thoreauputic> or what Amaranth said
[10:08] <bob2> guruff: use the #flood channel
[10:08] <Amaranth> #flood is easier for the user, not for the people helping him
[10:09] <bob2> it's easier for people helping them, too
[10:09] <Funraiser> is it possible to open a .bin file in linux?
[10:09] <Amaranth> or the people that _might_ help him if they knew what was wrong
[10:09] <bob2> not having to open a url is less hassle for me at least
[10:09] <guruff> ok... i did ::
[10:09] <bob2> Funraiser: depends what's in it
[10:09] <paulfox> hi all
[10:09] <Amaranth> Yeah, but #flood moves quickly.
[10:09] <Funraiser> bob2, it's a movie
[10:09] <paulfox> whats the debian alternative to chkconfig for adding scripts to init.d
[10:09] <guruff> bob2; so i did; the problem is
[10:09] <paulfox> ?
[10:09] <Amaranth> Funraiser: vlc and mplayer will open it
[10:09] <bob2> guruff: did you install glib from source or something?
[10:09] <bob2> paulfox: update-rc.d
[10:10] <bob2> Funraiser: you mean it's a .bin/.cue thing?
[10:10] <Funraiser> yes
[10:10] <guruff> bob2; no i have installed just stuff from warty, then upgraded to hoary
[10:10] <paulfox> bob2, thanks. you're like an encyclopedia of linux knowledge, you are
[10:10] <bob2> Funraiser: mplayer can do it, bchunk can convert it to a iso-9660 format
[10:10] <guruff> bob2; but i have found libglib in /usr/lib and /usr/local/lib <- don't know what and whre it got there
[10:10] <bob2> paulfox: np
[10:10] <bob2> guruff: er, ok
[10:10] <bob2> guruff: move it out of /usr/local/ then
[10:11] <Amaranth> Funraiser: google bin2iso if you want to convert it, vlc is your best bet for opening it
[10:11] <guruff> bob2; but then some compiled programs may not work :/
[10:11] <Funraiser> Amaranth, bob2 , thanks
[10:11] <Amaranth> guruff: Nothing that comes with Ubuntu will be linked against the one in /usr/local
[10:11] <bob2> guruff: they have to be brokenly compiled to use /usr/local/ explicitly
[10:12] <guruff> bob2; ok, moving it out
[10:13] <philc> how can I add an alias on one of my network devices?
[10:13] <bob2> depends what you mean
[10:14] <bob2> do you mean "add another ip address to an interface"?
[10:14] <philc> yep
[10:14] <philc> in gentoo this is accomplished by adding "alias_eth1="192..."" to /etc/conf.d/net
[10:14] <bob2> you can make interface aliases in /etc/network/interfaces
[10:14] <bob2> as normal, but called eth0:1 or whatever
[10:15] <guruff> bob2; i have got rid of /usr/local/lib/glib* but still i got the same error message
[10:15] <damn> how long does it take Ubuntu to send out its cds?? i live in perth Australia
[10:15] <bob2> a better way is to just use the 'ip' tool to add an address to the interface
[10:15] <bob2> damn: they will come out in the next few weeks
[10:15] <bob2> guruff: then it's lying around somewhere else
[10:15] <bob2> guruff: ask whoever you installed it
[10:15] <p0m> damn: The next batch should be out in the next week or so, I'm in Brisbane, and they came a week after I ordered them last time.
[10:16] <damn> ok thank
[10:23] <spiral> jo
[10:23] <spiral> hi sorry
[10:24] <topyli> YOU ARE HEREBY FORGIVEN
[10:26] <ivoks> hi
[10:27] <thoreauputic> hmm... didn't know the pope did IRC ;-)
[10:27] <thoreauputic> hi ivoks
[10:27] <selinium> hi thoreauputic!
[10:27] <thoreauputic> selinium: hi :)
[10:28] <meng>  thoreauputic: i read that john paul never liked computers
[10:29] <Neojarodh> Hello everybody
[10:29] <topyli> meng: i bet he was given a windows box :)
[10:29] <St0n3-C0l> hie Neo
[10:29] <Neojarodh> Can I ask a question ?
[10:29] <St0n3-C0l> Sure. :P
[10:29] <meng>  topyli: saw a pic of him in front of a dell lapy
[10:30] <topyli> if we may answer
[10:30] <thoreauputic> topyli: beat me to it !
[10:30] <topyli> heh
[10:30] <selinium> thoreauputic: Are most linux systems interchangable? Like, can i get someone to upgrade from Redhat 7.3 to Ubuntu without too much trouble?
[10:30] <Neojarodh> I hope...
[10:30] <GNAM> uhm sudo works, but su doesn't works
[10:30] <GNAM> why?
[10:30] <thoreauputic> selinium: no
[10:30] <topyli> meng: did you see the screen? was he playing doom or writing sermons?
[10:31] <thoreauputic> selinium: reinstall required for that, unless you are a major guru
[10:31] <barto-kun> GNAM: http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/topic-36098.html
[10:31] <Neojarodh> I'm looking for the ubuntu source to install the madwifi driver and the wpa_compliant for a Netgear WG511T pcmcia Card. Someone knows where I can find it ?
[10:31] <PD> GNAM, I believe ubuntu by default does not have passwd for root, but the first user created has super user priveleges
[10:31] <PD> GNAM, but you cal always do sudo su and set a password
[10:32] <barto-kun> GNAM: the above link has an explanation, how to use sudo and how to enable root if you really want
[10:32] <St0n3-C0l> PD: sudo
[10:32] <barto-kun> PD: actually, the first user has sudo access, not root privilages
[10:32] <selinium> thoreauputic: You know i am no guru! I meant installing the software from the old machine onto an Ubuntu based machine.
[10:32] <meng> topyli: he has parkinsons, so doom is out
[10:32] <St0n3-C0l> if u want to enable root account type 'sudo passwd' and set your password
[10:32] <PD> barto-kun, excatly
[10:32] <thoreauputic> selinium: no, won't work - all the libraries etc will be different
[10:33] <PD> barto-kun, is right
[10:33] <meng> oh no, animae freak on the loose
[10:33] <topyli> meng: hmm... i have a doom-relate theory about how he got parkinsons :)
[10:33] <PD> I meant that the first user can do a sudo su
[10:33] <Funraiser> what's the best way to install mplayer? (synaptic doesn't work-unresolved dependencies)
[10:33] <thoreauputic> selinium: and you would have dependency nightmares, among other things like rpm needing conversion
[10:33] <spiral> selinium: as long as you know the software names, you can maybe find them in your apt base, or download an updated version for kernel 2.6 & so on
[10:33] <meng> Funraiser: source compile
[10:34] <Funraiser> meng, u got a step by step site?
[10:34] <topyli> does crimsun's mplayer work?
[10:34] <thoreauputic> Funraiser: I've had better luck with xine-ui
[10:34] <envel> hello! Does anybody know how to paste gnumeric graph to abiword document? Does it support something like OLE?
[10:34] <topyli> deb http://sh.nu/~crimsun/ ./
[10:34] <topyli> not sure if it's still there
[10:34] <meng> Funraiser: i am no guru ji
[10:34] <St0n3-C0l> Funraiser: Mplayer works fine with apt-get
[10:34] <thoreauputic> topyli: works for me, but I prefer xine
[10:34] <selinium> thoreauputic: OK, here is my dilema, i beleive the software they use is bespoke. they want to put a wifi sytem onto it as well. I figured it would be better to upgrade the OS rather than just try and find a driver that would work.
[10:34] <St0n3-C0l> guru ji ?
[10:35] <St0n3-C0l> haha
[10:35] <envel> hey
[10:35] <topyli> thoreauputic: yeah, i only have mplayer because of the browser plugin
[10:35] <topyli> otherwise, totem
[10:35] <thoreauputic> selinium: will the bespoke stuff compile? Do you have source code?
[10:35] <Funraiser> thoreauputic, yes but i'm trying to open a .bin remember? the sound doesn't work with vlc
[10:36] <envel> hello! Does anybody know how to paste gnumeric graph to abiword document? Does it support something like OLE?
[10:36] <Raquen> a prog to see divx?
[10:36] <selinium> thoreauputic: I have to talk to themm later to find out. but i would have thought so.
[10:36] <topyli> Raquen: totem does it, but you need the codecs
[10:36] <meng> totem-xone
[10:36] <thoreauputic> Funraiser: do you have xine? have you tried it?
[10:36] <meng> totem-xine
[10:36] <St0n3-C0l> totem-xine
[10:36] <topyli> yes
[10:36] <Raquen> tnx
[10:36] <cens0red> hey is there a cgi server package that can run entirely from user dir?
[10:37] <Funraiser> thoreauputic, i do, haven't tried, lemme check
[10:37] <St0n3-C0l> and another thing...put w32codecs in /home/user/.gnome2/totem-addons
[10:37] <envel> or in /usr/lib/win32
[10:38] <topyli> and enjoy your non-free evil multimedia :)
[10:38] <Funraiser> thoreauputic, nope xine doesn't open .bin i'll try to apt get mplayer
[10:38] <topyli> bin?
[10:38] <Funraiser> topyli, it's a movie in a .cue .bin thing format
[10:39] <Funraiser> believe it or not
[10:39] <thoreauputic> don't you have to convert the bin file first?
[10:39] <topyli> no player i know of can play that directly
[10:39] <thoreauputic> never used bin files...
[10:39] <Funraiser> well in vlc i see the pictures
[10:39] <meng> WMP does for a fact
[10:39] <Funraiser> but not the sound
[10:39] <bob2> mplayer apparently can
[10:39] <topyli> really? how nice
[10:40] <topyli> i thought you have to burn a vcd or something first
[10:40] <guruff> lo
[10:40] <thoreauputic> meng: please, this is a family channel *grin*
[10:40] <guruff> still mixed up with lib glib
[10:40] <Funraiser> lol
[10:40] <Tirno> hi, anyone succeeded in installing an svg plugin for firefox?
[10:40] <Funraiser> no W in here lol
[10:41] <guruff> bob2; i have some rubish /usr/local
[10:41] <meng> thoreauputic: WMP is windows media player
[10:41] <thoreauputic> meng: I know :)
[10:41] <Funraiser> that's the problem
[10:41] <thoreauputic> meng: just a silly joke
[10:41] <topyli> Tirno: i've tried and failed :\
[10:42] <meng> topyli: condemm the file to hell
[10:42] <topyli> CONDEMNED
[10:42] <meng> thoreauputic: *coughs* ahaha
[10:42] <meng> shouldn't topyli be banned?
[10:43] <meng> big capitals
[10:43] <thoreauputic> meng: you will be burned as a heretic for mentioning *** ;-)
[10:43] <St0n3-C0l> is it possible to mount your FAT32 drives under VMware ??
[10:44] <bob2> meng: no
[10:44] <meng> just go down the lowest level of hell for me
[10:44] <bob2> St0n3-C0l: best to talk to the vmware people...
[10:44] <selinium> Meng as opposed to the small capitals?
[10:45] <selinium> :)
[10:45] <thoreauputic> selinium: small capitals would be a theatre whisper i suppose
[10:45] <topyli> meng: it's not me, it's the VOICE :)
[10:45] <selinium> thoreauputic: LOL :)
[10:45] <thoreauputic> topyli: I can recommend a good shrink ;-)
[10:45] <meng> i got kicked for accidentaly keeping caps lock on
[10:46] <topyli> thoreauputic: thanks, but i think the meds are kicking in already so i think i'll be fine soon :)
[10:46] <thoreauputic> topyli: heheh
[10:47] <meng> go high on durians
[10:47] <topyli> peace
[10:47] <topyli> ubuntu!
[10:47] <selinium> thoreauputic: being a newbie, if i have the source code, can i install on any linux system?
[10:47] <GNAM> how can i enable color syntax in vim/emacs?
[10:47] <topyli> selinium: yes
[10:47] <bob2> GNAM: 'syntax on' in vim
[10:47] <selinium> topli: cool.
[10:49] <GNAM> WOW
[10:49] <GNAM> and to set syntax on as a default? :P
[10:49] <jin> can somebody tell me where my C headers are located?
[10:50] <topyli> GNAM: emacs does the highlighting by default in X, but not in console. perhaps you can set it on if you M-X customize
[10:50] <bob2> GNAM: put that text in ~/.vimrc
[10:50] <bob2> jin: what are you trying to do?
[10:51] <GNAM> i'm interesting in console work
[10:51] <jin> tryin to install a program, it asked the location for my C headers directory
[10:51] <bob2> jin: ... what program?
[10:51] <jin> vm-ware
[10:52] <viva> hola
[10:52] <jin> bob2, do you have an idea of where it might be?
[10:52] <bob2> bleh vmware
[10:52] <bob2> they really should try to do things less crappily
[10:52] <bob2> jin: what does 'uname -r' print out?
[10:53] <jin> 2.6.10-5-386
[10:54] <jin> bob: 2.6.10-5-386
[10:54] <bob2> install linux-headers-2.6.10-5-386
[10:54] <jin> k
[10:55] <jin> I thought as much, but wanted to be sure
[10:55] <St0n3-C0l> it sounds strange but...in apt there is linux-headers-2.6.11.*-386
[10:55] <Neojarodh> Noone can answer my question ?
[10:56] <jin> bob2: so where is directory location of these headers.. I still need to input them manually
[10:56] <bob2> Neojarodh: you already have the madwifi drivers
[10:56] <Neojarodh> yes but they don't work...
[10:56] <bob2> Neojarodh: and: wpasupplicant - Client support for WPA and WPA2 (IEEE 802.11i)
[10:56] <bob2> "don't work", have you filed a bug?
[10:56] <bob2> jin: in /usr/src/, obvious dir name
[10:57] <bob2> St0n3-C0l: yes, 2.6.11 is in there but not supported
[10:57] <Neojarodh> my pcmcia card isn't reconized....
[10:57] <jin> ive already tried that dir.. didnt work
[10:58] <bob2> well, that's the right one
[10:58] <Neojarodh> ok. thanks for your help. bye
[11:00] <patrickf> Can someone help me please; I have problems with apt-get install
[11:00] <thoreauputic> patrickf: what specifically?
[11:01] <patrickf> I tried the command: /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:01] <bob2> that's not a command
[11:01] <patrickf> answer was that I have no rights?!
[11:01] <bob2> it's a filename
[11:01] <patrickf> aha
[11:01] <patrickf> how can I install the midnightcommander?
[11:01] <patrickf> apt-get install mc normally or?
[11:02] <jin> alright, got it working now
[11:02] <patrickf> no, system cant find the package
[11:02] <bob2> sudo apt-get install mc
[11:02] <bob2> perhaps you didn't tell apt to use universe
[11:02] <thoreauputic> patrickf: it's in universe
[11:03] <bob2> wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto explains how to enable it
[11:03] <ben> been trying to use gtk-gnutella but the search box is grayed out.  I am cinnected to the network with 3 connectiong.  Any ideas?
[11:03] <patrickf> sorry I'm a neebie, can you explain me "universe"
[11:03] <bob2> universe is a set of packages in ubuntu, that don't get support from canonical
[11:04] <topyli> contains most of debian + other stuff
[11:04] <thoreauputic> patrickf: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[11:05] <patrickf> thanks I'll read
[11:05] <my_haz> is there a way to get a list of the availbe programs that can be gotten via apt-get using the command line?
[11:05] <djp> does anybody know why rhythmbox sometimes tries to start but doesn't? it does this a few times and then it will start. what could be causing this?
[11:06] <my_haz> i am looking to install a tty style irc client such iirc or bitchx
[11:06] <bob2> my_haz: that list would be 10 000 items long
[11:06] <bob2> my_haz: use irssi-text
[11:06] <bob2> djp: it has odd bugs
[11:06] <pinguin_> Hi all, I have a problem with my printer under 5.04
[11:06] <my_haz> bob2 so how do you know what applications are availble is there an online search like freebsd.org/ports ?
[11:06] <djp> bob2: so it is normal? if so, no problems as i actually like the player when it does start!
[11:07] <pinguin_> the printer seems to get installed, a tray icon shows up telling me that the printer is printing but it is not
[11:07] <pinguin_> any help please?
[11:07] <thoreauputic> my_haz: apt-cache search <keywords>
[11:07] <my_haz> thank you thoreuputic
[11:07] <topyli> pinguin_: happened to me, i installed good old lpd :)
[11:07] <thoreauputic> my_haz: or you can browse in synaptic
[11:08] <bob2> djp: it's a bug
[11:08] <bob2> beezly: but it has lots
[11:08] <pinguin_> ok I'll try this out topyli
[11:08] <beezly> bob2: huh eh what?
[11:08] <djp> bob2: cheers
[11:08] <bob2> beezly: typo, not you
[11:09] <topyli> pinguin_: install printtool as well, i'ts a GUI lpd configuration thingy
[11:09] <erbel> jsgotangco
[11:09] <jsgotangco> hey
[11:09] <erbel> jsgotangco, nikki here
[11:09] <smott> i've forgotten my gnome keyring password. is any way to reset the whole thing?
[11:09] <jsgotangco> whoa
[11:09] <jsgotangco> erbel, im in UDU
[11:09] <cyh_> cool now i have irss (signed my_haz)
[11:09] <erbel> jsgotangco, migrated to ubuntu
[11:09] <jsgotangco> erbel, cool
[11:09] <erbel> jsgotangco, just need to have ICH6 sound working
[11:10] <jsgotangco> hoary?
[11:10] <erbel> yeah
[11:10] <jsgotangco> pm me
[11:11] <Funraiser> i'm trying to open the .bin movie file with mplayer and i see the pictures fine, but for the sounds it says: ao_nas: init(): can't open nas audio server > no sound ....any ideas?
[11:11] <bob2> tell it to use something sane
[11:11] <bob2> mplayer -ao esd ...
[11:11] <pinguin_> ok topyli
[11:12] <topyli> works?
[11:12] <theosk> Hi, a total noobie question here, hehehe, wich debian packages  would i have to download if i wanted to install kde?
[11:13] <pinguin_> but that hoary has this bug is very strange
[11:13] <bob2> theosk: #kubuntu
[11:13] <pinguin_> I thought 5.04 is no more beta but a "real" release?
[11:13] <thoreauputic> theosk: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[11:14] <bob2> pinguin_: yes
[11:14] <theosk> ok, ty
[11:14] <bob2> pinguin_: if no one reported it during the development phase, it won't have been fixed
[11:15] <theosk> ehm, so wich way may i have both kde and gnome if i want to do it manually? do i have to download these hundreds of debian ackages?
[11:15] <theosk> *packages
[11:16] <meng> thoreauputic, u forgot to add the need of enabling universe
[11:16] <thoreauputic> meng: indeed, true
[11:16] <meng> thoreauputic: plus making sure it's hoary repos, not warty
[11:16] <bob2> theosk: no, you do what thoreauputic said and install kubuntu-desktop
[11:16] <theosk> this is my first linux system and im having really big trouble
[11:17] <theosk> lol
[11:17] <theosk> but i dont have that package
[11:17] <Funraiser> bob2 like mplayer ao - <drv[:dev] > ? where do i write mpegpes?
[11:17] <bob2> Funraiser: no, that's not what I said
[11:17] <meng> theosk: it's a meta pack
[11:17] <bob2> Funraiser: mplayer -ao esd blah.mpg
[11:17] <Funraiser> bob2, oh
[11:17] <St0n3-C0l> woah!
[11:17] <St0n3-C0l> VMWARE: P
[11:17] <St0n3-C0l> haha
[11:17] <bob2> theosk: warty is sillyly old
[11:17] <thoreauputic> meng: OK OK, I got it totally wrong ;) Feeel free to flame me !
[11:17] <meng> theosk: so it will install a complete KDE desktop
[11:18] <nopea> which sound system or systems does Ubuntu use?
[11:18] <theosk> i don't understand, i'm using the lastest ubuntu download, but it sais it has not that package
[11:18] <bob2> esd, sadly
[11:18] <theosk> and i'm totally new to linux
[11:18] <theosk> XD
[11:18] <bob2> theosk: where did you get it from?
[11:18] <nopea> is that the only one?
[11:18] <thoreauputic> theosk: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[11:18] <bob2> no, there's thousands
[11:19] <bob2> but they all suck
[11:19] <bob2> aside from dmix
[11:19] <meng> theosk: use synaptic
[11:19] <pinguin_> well warty was #so# good I never had the urge to update to hoary ;)
[11:19] <theosk> ok, i'll try
[11:19] <meng> make sure the universe repositories are enabled
[11:19] <meng> theosk: search for kubuntu-desktop in synaptic
[11:20] <nopea> bob2, does ubuntu use ALSA?
[11:20] <bob2> nopea: yes
[11:20] <meng> yup i do use alsa
[11:20] <bob2> but alsa is not a sound system
[11:20] <meng> EMU10K1
[11:20] <k31th> wat is...
[11:21] <nopea> bob2, so what its a software muxer?
[11:21] <nopea> EMU10K is a chip
[11:21] <nopea> found in soundblaster live cards
[11:21] <bob2> nopea: no, it's a set of sound drivers
[11:21] <k31th> i know...
[11:21] <Funraiser> bob2 it's not a mpg it's a bin...(?)
[11:21] <nopea> for that chip I bet ;)
[11:21] <k31th> im afraid i have a sound disaster live
[11:21] <Funraiser> mplayer -ao esd blah.bin ?
[11:22] <k31th> in one of my boxes and a audigy 2 24bit in the other
[11:22] <thoreauputic> Funraiser: just tab complete the file name
[11:22] <bob2> Funraiser: ok
[11:22] <nopea> EMU makes it - its not that bad (Creative owns EMU now) they use the same chip in the 'pro' interfaces
[11:22] <Funraiser> mplayer -ao esd filename.bin ?
[11:22] <patrickf> Can someone help me with "putty"?
[11:22] <thoreauputic> Funraiser: try it and see
[11:23] <patrickf> I want to connect to my server, but I think I have to activat first SSH or something
[11:23] <theosk> wow, it's downloading a lot of stuff right now
[11:23] <thoreauputic> patrickf: is your server ubuntu? If so, install openssh-server
[11:23] <nopea> I am from Windows/OS X land - more specifcally ASIO, which is an audio subsystem developed by Steinberg...
[11:24] <nopea> Windows has WDM - OS X has Core Audio... so what in Linux would be those?
[11:24] <patrickf> ok, thaks
[11:24] <meng> theosk: it's a distro
[11:25] <infornography> Has anybody had problems with the Warty live CD damaging their monitor?
[11:25] <meng> kubuntu is like ubuntu, but with kde as defalt
[11:25] <compmanio36> I am thinking of switching to Ubuntu, but I am a gamer.  Is WINE or Cedega a viable alternative for just keeping a Windows partition, and if so, which is better?  I already have tried Warty, so I know I like the UI, security, etc, but the gaming is what holds me back from switching.
[11:25] <nopea> infornography, me!
[11:25] <theosk> yes, i know about kubuntu, but i wanted to test both desktops
[11:25] <theosk> without liveCDs and so
[11:25] <meng> it's messy at best
[11:25] <InitMass> i want to install jedit but it's not in the list even if multiverse and universe is enabled
[11:25] <meng> i am also on kubuntu and ubuntu
[11:25] <theosk> :P
[11:26] <infornography> A friend of mine just tried using it. I'm not sure what he did exactly, but he said it asked something about his monitor, and he told it to "scan"
[11:26] <Funraiser> thoreauputic, bob2 still says could not open/initialize audio device...
[11:26] <Funraiser> thoreauputic, bob2 still but the image is good
[11:26] <infornography> The monitor went blank, and now it doesn't work at all. Just makes a quiet ticking sound
[11:26] <thoreauputic> theosk: kubuntu-desktop is just a meta-package on which a lot of stuff depends
[11:26] <theosk> thanks a lot for your help ^^
[11:27] <thoreauputic> theosk: it basically finds all the requirements for KDE
[11:27] <nopea> well that didnt happen here - but I have noticed a ghost image from the Gnome menu since installing Unbutu and the Nvidia drivers
[11:27] <InitMass> bob2, do you know where i can find jedit as a .deb?
[11:27] <bob2> nopea: nvidia driver bugs can only be fixed by nvidia, unfortunately
[11:27] <compmanio36> infornography, your monitor may have been pushed beyond it's refresh rate by the scan
[11:27] <Funraiser> bob2 what else can i try instead of esd?
[11:28] <nopea> bob2,
[11:28] <nopea> dont know if its a driver
[11:28] <bob2> Funraiser: oss
[11:28] <compmanio36> most of the time, setting the refresh rate back should fix it, but if it isn't working now, it's probably dead
[11:28] <Funraiser> k
[11:28] <nopea> I turned the refresh down today - wait to see if that helps
[11:28] <infornography> Yeah, its not working at all
[11:29] <infornography> Tried a bunch of things. It will need to be replaced
[11:29] <compmanio36> on older monitors especially, too high of a refresh rate will actually blow out the monitor, and especially if it is left at a high rate for too long
[11:29] <compmanio36> newer monitors just shut off the input to protect themselves
[11:29] <nopea> compmanio69, I use the same refresh in Windows for 2 years
[11:29] <infornography> Thanks anyway
[11:30] <nopea> so ALSA, ESD, and OSS are the three audio systems in Linux?
[11:30] <unf> si
[11:30] <bob2> they're not systems
[11:31] <meng> sound servers?
[11:32] <nopea> ok, I am trying to found out what the sound system is - as Core Audio in OS X and WDM in Windows would be
[11:32] <bob2> I don't know what they are
[11:32] <bob2> OSS and ALSA are types of hardware sound drivers
[11:32] <bob2> esd is a software sound server
[11:32] <unf> isn't esd, as arts, a sound server?
[11:32] <bob2> yes
[11:33] <forsaker8k6> hi all of you!
[11:33] <nopea> Core Audio and WDM are systems that applications use to pass the audio to which then talk to the hardware
[11:33] <nopea> i.e SubSystems
[11:34] <forsaker8k6> what's the topic?
[11:34] <nopea> ASIO is one designed by Steinberg for better performance with supported applications and hardware
[11:34] <nopea> i would like to learn how Linux deals with audio - and thier systems
[11:35] <bob2> this isn't the channel to ask
[11:35] <forsaker8k6> woz..  i can't help :P
[11:35] <bob2> try linux-audio.org or such
[11:36] <nopea> bob2, sorry thought maybe I could get info on Ubuntu :)
[11:36] <thoreauputic> forsaker8k6: type /topic to see the topic :)
[11:37] <bob2> you can
[11:37] <bob2> but "explain the whole linux audio system" is not something easily answerable on irc
[11:38] <pinguin_> ok bye
[11:38] <nopea> well I dont need to know that much ;-) jsut need to know (to start my hunt) which systems Ubuntu uses
[11:38] <ikaro> mojn
[11:39] <darkeden2> ubuntu is so slow
[11:39] <bob2> darkeden2: how so?
[11:40] <zxj> my ubuntu is slow too
[11:40] <darkeden2> slow like turtle
[11:40] <darkeden2> yeah
[11:40] <bob2> darkeden2: *what* is slow?
[11:40] <bob2> compared to what?
[11:40] <darkeden2> zxj also say ubuntu slow
[11:41] <bob2> lots of people say lots of silly things
[11:41] <thoreauputic> but *what * is slow? the graphical interface?
[11:41] <darkeden2> shut up
[11:41] <daniels> guys, enough.
[11:42] <bob2> 19:41:54      darkeden2 | go to die
[11:42] <thoreauputic> darkeden2: I guess you won't find much help that way...
[11:43] <thoreauputic> bob2: woah.. slightly draconian, no ?
[11:44] <bob2> thoreauputic: abusing people in /msg is unacceptable
[11:44] <Funraiser> bob2 i tried mpegpes and oss and nas and null and pcm and plugin and none works...:-( what else can i try?
[11:44] <thoreauputic> bob2: ah, i see
[11:44] <bob2> as is random ranting about silliness
[11:44] <bob2> darkeden2: I assume you're going to be polite, nice and useful now
[11:44] <darkeden2> bleh
[11:45] <bob2> Funraiser: I don't know, sorry.  best re-extract the file in some sensible format.
[11:45] <darkeden2> ubuntu is bad
[11:46] <Funraiser> bob2, all right, thanks
[11:46] <bob2> you seem to be failing the "useful" test
[11:46] <bezibaerchen> darkeden2: then dont use it and leave us alone
[11:46] <darkeden2> shut up,busy body
[11:47] <bezibaerchen> darkeden2: anybody already told you, how sweet you are?
[11:47] <bob2> bezibaerchen: please?
[11:47] <bezibaerchen> you light up my day with your behaviour
[11:47] <bezibaerchen> bob2: ok, not sweet, rather "sweet"
[11:47] <bezibaerchen> ;-)
[12:02] <krisg> hi i have just setup Ubuntu in my computer, i dont know what's my root's password
[12:02] <krisg> it didnt prompted me for root password
[12:02] <krisg> during setup
[12:02] <ptlo> krisg, you don't need root password; you shouldn't log in as root
[12:02] <fitheach> u don't need one. sudo is your friend. :)
[12:03] <krisg> who's sudo?
[12:03] <daniels> this is in the faq
[12:03] <krisg> then how do you get root privilledge?
[12:03] <krisg> ic thnx
[12:04] <guruff> bob2; thanks /usr/local/~lib ~share ~include ~bin had some libglib*; got rid of; reinstalled libglib - i can compile now
[12:04] <thoreauputic> krisg: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[12:04] <krisg> thnx!
[12:05] <guruff> what else i can use to do video+sound linux <--> win32 except for gnomemeeting <--> netmeeting ???????????///
[12:06] <thoreauputic> guruff: videolan client ? (vlc) I think will do streaming sound and video
[12:06] <guruff> thoreauputic; thx i will check it out
[12:07] <thoreauputic> http://videolan.org/  and it's in the repos as vlc
[12:08] <mjr> hmm, I'm not sure if videolan is what you want, if you're after conferencing software?
[12:08] <john__> hi every body, happy to enter this community and hope lots of things
[12:09] <bob2> guruff: cool
[12:10] <guruff> bob2; yeah; i didn't know i have trash in ~/local ?.? anyhow :)
[12:11] <dballester> hi to all
[12:12] <dballester> anybody knows a good place to discuss about ip route issues? TIA
[12:13] <bob2> #lartc on irc.oftc.net
[12:15] <dballester> bob2, i'm on it but people seems very busy, thanks in anyway for the advice :)
[12:17] <UnreA|L> Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.0) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation!
[12:17] <UnreA|L> For more details about this problem, look at the end of config.log.
[12:17] <UnreA|L> What i must download ?
[12:18] <thoreauputic> try apt-cache search lib | grep qt | grep dev
[12:19] <thoreauputic> UnreA|L: but why are you compiling?
[12:20] <UnreA|L> i compiling
[12:20] <UnreA|L> kbear
[12:20] <UnreA|L> when i try apt-cache search lib
[12:20] <thoreauputic> apt-cache search kbear
[12:20] <UnreA|L> i saw big lib list
[12:21] <thoreauputic> it's in the archives
[12:21] <thoreauputic> sudo apt-get install kbear
[12:21] <thoreauputic> in universe I think
[12:22] <thoreauputic> BTW you lesft out most of the apt-cache command I gave you
[12:23] <ircbot_> so freaking torn
[12:23] <ircbot_> okay i think ima go ahead and do a fresh ubuntu install over gentoo
[12:23] <ircbot_> okay i'll do it...
[12:23] <ircbot_> bye
[12:26] <ircbot_> hey does anyone know what i should make my partitions look like for LVM?
[12:28] <k31th> marcel_: wat delivery?
[12:28] <marcel_> Cds :)
[12:28] <k31th> ?
[12:28] <k31th> music?
[12:29] <marcel_> no! Ubuntu
[12:29] <poningru> lol
[12:30] <chx_> hi. I have a soundcard on the motherboard, but that's weak, so I have a PCI card as well. How could I get mplayer and xine to use the second?
[12:36] <mishof> AHHHH im so dumb, i right clicked the top panel on gnome (Where all my stuff was) and pressed remove panel. can i return it somehow ???
[12:36] <nopea> anyway to remove ESD?
[12:37] <thoreauputic> mishof: right click the other panel, add a panel, then add stuff back to it
[12:38] <mishof> thoreauputic, ahhhh how can i add all the special stuff (like the clock, the button that opens the menu )
[12:38] <thoreauputic> mishof: should be in the "add to panel" dialogue
[12:39] <mishof> thoreauputic, ah right. now last thing - how can i make it thin as it use to be (now its really large) ?
[12:39] <thoreauputic> properties >> size
[12:39] <mishof> nevermind
[12:39] <Zerboxx> mishof: 24
[12:39] <mishof> thanks
[12:40] <thoreauputic> don't forget to add a "notification area"
[12:40] <mishof> yeah .. im lucky i just took a screen shot so i can restore the stuff :P
[12:41] <Zerboxx> Is it necessary to replace spaces with _'s?  And if it's not necessary, how good an idea is it to do it anyways?
[12:42] <thoreauputic> Zerboxx: makes life easier on the commandline
[12:42] <thoreauputic> you can use - or just . as well
[12:42] <Zerboxx> thoreauputic: Ok, thought so...same with all lowercase?
[12:42] <mishof> although you can access space with \ (slash space)
[12:43] <thoreauputic> Zerboxx: I'm a lousy/lazy typist so I use lower case mostly
[12:43] <Zerboxx> thoreauputic: and lastly, if I backed up a load of files on CD, is there an easy way to replace all the spaces in their names with underscores?
[12:43] <Zerboxx> heh
[12:43] <thoreauputic> Zerboxx: there are scripts for that - I'm no guru though ;)
[12:44] <Zerboxx> oh, ok, thanks :)
[12:44] <thoreauputic> probably using sed
[12:44] <mishof> can you use regular expressions with commands such as cp,mv etc. ?
[12:45] <thoreauputic> mishof: yes
[12:45] <thoreauputic> mishof: don't ask me about it though ;)
[12:45] <mishof> heh :)
[12:45] <thoreauputic> simple exxamples are using the * wildcard
[12:46] <thoreauputic> eg cp *.mpg somedir
[12:46] <mishof> how come the firefox icon is just a blue globe ? :\
[12:46] <thoreauputic> copyright issues
[12:46] <thoreauputic> ask the Mozilla Foundation
[12:47] <mishof> :O i thought its like all open source, GPL etc. :\
[12:47] <thoreauputic> the icon is protected in some way
[12:47] <mishof> lol :\
[12:47] <mishof> if you change 1 pixel in an icon its still protected ? :P
[12:47] <thoreauputic> of course, if you have an icon, it's trivial to use it
[12:48] <mjr> it's more of a question of trademark issues than copyright, iirc
[12:48] <thoreauputic> ah, thanks mjr
[12:48] <thoreauputic> quite right
[12:50] <goli> i am facing Bug#283353: openoffice.org-bin: oocalc crashes when deleting row from spreadsheet [http://lists.debian.org/debian-openoffice/2004/11/msg00265.html] . how do i upgrade open office without doing a distribution upgrade.
[12:51] <tweek888> hello
[12:51] <natecull> Is there a way to specify on the command line that an X program (ie, gnome-terminal) open full-screen?
[12:51] <natecull> I have a console-mode program that I want to create a launcher for
[12:51] <natecull> but it defaults to opening in a small window, and I want it full-screen
[12:51] <tweek888> can anyone point to m a .ttf instalation faq?
[12:51] <natecull> I can't seem to find a way to do this, even using --geometry
[12:52] <tweek888> me to *
[12:52] <thomas> hey there
[12:53] <thoreauputic> tweek888: just dump your ttf fonts in ~/.fonts
[12:54] <tweek888> i dont know where it is >.<
[12:54] <thoreauputic> tweek888: type control-H in nautilus (file manager) to see hidden directories
[12:55] <thoreauputic> they start with a "."
[12:55] <tweek888> ok
[12:55] <thoreauputic> so in this case .fonts
[12:55] <tweek888> thats nifty :o
[12:55] <tweek888> thanks
[12:55] <thoreauputic> to see dot directories in a terminal type ls -al
[12:56] <thoreauputic> or just ls -a
[12:56] <tweek888> i think ctrl -h got it ;P
[12:56] <jacobsdad18> anyone having trouble with Hoary on older PCs?
[12:57] <thoreauputic> tweek888: yes, nevertheless ls -al is a useful thing to know
[12:58] <tweek888> no offense, i will probably forget ive been up about 27 hours
[12:58] <jacobsdad18> specifically with the Gnome menu disappearing and not coming back...?
[12:58] <tweek888> jacobsdad how old are we talking?
[12:58] <thoreauputic> tweek888: heheh - bookmark  tuxfiles.org
[12:58] <tweek888> ok
[12:59] <jacobsdad18> not terribly old.. a no-name (IPC) P3 128 megs ram.. purchased in 2000.
[12:59] <thoreauputic> try killall gnome-panel
[12:59] <thoreauputic> it should regenerate
[01:00] <mishof> how can i use locate to find 2 strings ? like "firefox" and "theme"
[01:00] <jacobsdad18> I did that.. but it would just go wonky every time it regenerated. Gnome would flash on and off for about 30 seconds and then vanish.
[01:00] <thoreauputic> mishof:  locate firefox | grep theme  ?
[01:00] <steve_> tracy05
[01:01] <mishof> thoreauputic, good idea :P
[01:01] <thoreauputic> actually that returns nothing here
[01:01] <mishof> same here ..
[01:01] <mishof> i dont know where to put the jar file of a theme i downloaded :P
[01:01] <thoreauputic> mishof: your themes should be in ~/.mozilla/firefox
[01:01] <joeidell> the sound on my system seems to be playing only out of the right channel
[01:02] <tweek888> thanks for your help thoreauputic
[01:02] <jacobsdad18> rats. the wife is calling. I'd better scoot. I;ll try again tomorrow.
[01:02] <joeidell> can anybody help me with this?
[01:03] <thoreauputic> joeidell: sorry - with what? I must have missed something
[01:03] <mishof> thoreauputic, like ~/.mozilla/firefox/theme.jar ?
[01:03] <thoreauputic> ah sound
[01:04] <joeidell> yeah my sound is fucked
[01:04] <thoreauputic> mishof: easier to install the extension that enables installation
[01:04] <joeidell> :(
[01:05] <thoreauputic> mishof: it doesn't seem to work like that - I think the trick is to get the "theme installer" extension
[01:06] <thoreauputic> joeidell: run alsamixer in a terminal and unmute everything by pressing "m" on each channel
[01:07] <thoreauputic> of course, make sure it isn't unmuted first :)
[01:08] <mishof> thoreauputic, done thanks :)
[01:09] <thoreauputic> mishof: I'm a mine of useless information ;-)
[01:09] <bassMonkey> Can i disable a user by passwd -l 'username' and still use it with samba?
[01:09] <joeidell> everything is unmuted, its still only coming out the right channel :(
[01:09] <thoreauputic> bassMonkey: interesting question - why not try it and see?
[01:10] <joeidell> i think it may be my driver?
[01:10] <thoreauputic> joeidell: or maybe your speaker commection?
[01:10] <bassMonkey> thoreauputic: I'm about to...
[01:10] <thoreauputic> *connection
[01:11] <bassMonkey> thoreauputic: just tought that maybe someone here had done this already.
[01:11] <thoreauputic> bassMonkey: I tried samba, but I prefer nfs here - I have no reason to use it really
[01:11] <joeidell> nah that stuff is all checked, i'm actually using heaphones to test now
[01:12] <thoreauputic> nfs makes more "unix" sense to me
[01:12] <guruff> i'm working for a working solition chat+video windows to linux, any ideas except for gnomemeeting ????
[01:13] <thoreauputic> guruff: I've heard there's a gaim-vv project - don't know anything else about it I'm afraid
[01:14] <thoreauputic> guruff: google might tell you something about it I guess
[01:14] <DJSelbeck> if i install sth with apt-get install, it starts "import" and my mouse hangs for sometime and it make beep-beep often
[01:15] <thoreauputic> http://gaim-vv.sourceforge.net/
[01:15] <guruff> thoreauputic; yeah gnome-vv i have found but google is absolute no for me, have tried that already that's why i'm asking :)
[01:15] <guruff> thoreauputic; yep :) thanks :)
[01:15] <thoreauputic> guruff: OK :)
[01:16] <Selekta> i've had to reinstall xp, and i has overwritten grub...how can i get it back so i can boot into ubuntu again?
[01:17] <sac> hi all
[01:17] <Selekta> 492 people and noone at thier computer...
[01:17] <Selekta> wow...
[01:17] <Selekta> can you help me sac? i have a simple question
[01:18] <thoreauputic> Selekta: not as simple as you think :)
[01:18] <Selekta> :(
[01:18] <thoreauputic> Selekta: you can use a live CD to reinstall grub
[01:18] <Selekta> a live CD...
[01:18] <thoreauputic> Selekta: I don't know the details
[01:19] <Selekta> i booted the ubuntu cd, and it says type server blah blah
[01:19] <thoreauputic> knoppix for instance, or the ubuntu live CD
[01:19] <Selekta> live CD?
[01:19] <Selekta> is it the same as the install disk?
[01:19] <thoreauputic> Selekta:  http://knoppix.net
[01:19] <thoreauputic> no
[01:19] <Selekta> aw man
[01:19] <thoreauputic> Selekta: it runs the OS from a CD
[01:19] <blueprism> hm on a apt-get install mysql-server-4.1 it denies to start during the missing mysql.sock
[01:19] <blueprism> where the hell to create it ? :S
[01:21] <queuetue> blueprism, /etc/my.cnf
[01:21] <Funraiser> it's a sad day: I've to go back to windows to watch a movie...
[01:21] <sac> i would like to ask a question
[01:22] <blueprism> queuetue it dosent even has the socket
[01:22] <thoreauputic> sac: don't ask to ask - just ask :)
[01:23] <thoreauputic> sac: ?
[01:24] <thoreauputic> Funraiser: thank the folks who brought you closed formats
[01:24] <queuetue> sac, Ok, please take a blue ticket and have your Ubuntu support license ID ready.  Call volume is very high, so we will call on you within 27 minutes.
[01:24] <thoreauputic> LOL
[01:24] <Teddy75b> salut
[01:24] <queuetue> :)
[01:24] <Selekta> france sucks!
[01:24] <Selekta> nah just joking
[01:25] <Teddy75b> suis novice sever  sur linux
[01:25] <Selekta> bah more french
[01:25] <Teddy75b> je cherche un logiciel comme msn pour visio
[01:25] <Selekta> francais cest gai
[01:25] <Selekta> parle anglais
[01:25] <Selekta> heh
[01:25] <Selekta> hmmm.
[01:26] <Selekta> stupid ubuntu
[01:26] <Teddy75b> a part ca tu connais autre toi    selekta??
[01:26] <Selekta> boot damn you
[01:26] <queuetue> Selekta, Aren't you pleasant this morning.  We hate both a boot utility and a nation...
[01:26] <thoreauputic> Teddy75b:   tu connais  le canal #ubuntu-fr ?
[01:26] <xMaximex> Teddy75b, tu peux utiliser gaim, mais je sais pas si sil support la visio
[01:27] <Teddy75b> non je connais rien a linux je viens juste de mit mettre
[01:27] <Selekta> queuetue, :D
[01:27] <Selekta> lets be friends
[01:28] <thoreauputic> Teddy75b:   /join #ubuntu-fr  - ici c'est un canal Anglais
[01:28] <Teddy75b> je vous laisse
[01:28] <Selekta> Teddy75b, tu chicks cest hairy
[01:29] <Selekta> ah i crack myself up
[01:29] <Selekta> back to grub now
[01:29] <no0tic> I've a problem with the HP OfficeJet Pro 1150C All-in-one scanner, hpoj utility can't find it..
[01:30] <no0tic> It can't access the parallel port
[01:30] <queuetue> no0tic, Is the parallel port discovered? (is it disabled in BIOS?)
[01:31] <no0tic> Quequeg:
[01:32] <no0tic> queuetue: the printer works well on the same parallel port
[01:34] <gpled> how do i make my volume control setting stay?  if i log off, then log on, they keep going way down, and i have to reset them.
[01:34] <amichai> is it normal that only my alsa works and not esd?
[01:38] <thoreauputic> gpled:  sudo alsactl store   I think ( check man alsactl)
[01:38] <mokuso> hi i have a problem with proftpd
[01:38] <mokuso> can someone help me?
[01:38] <jeff_> how can i play wmv files in ubuntu? totem wont do it and neither will xine
[01:39] <no0tic> queuetue: I installed sid's hpoj package and it worked, the ubuntu's one is bugged
[01:39] <gpled> thoreauputic: thanks for the tip, will try that.
[01:39] <thoreauputic> jeff_: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[01:39] <esher> jeff_: install codecs from http://www1.mplayerhq.hu/MPlayer/releases/codecs/essential-20050412.tar.bz2
[01:40] <jeff_> thanks
[01:40] <thoreauputic> esher: no, the wiki is a better way
[01:40] <esher> ok :)
[01:40] <thoreauputic> esher: it uses apt/synaptic
[01:41] <jiyuu0> i've finished making the ubuntuguide.org Add-On CD... who can mirror/host it? 332MB
[01:42] <jiyuu0> or how do i make a torrent file?
[01:42] <jiyuu0> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/temp/index.html
[01:42] <Censorydep> I'm not sure of the etiquette for this channel, but I have a question about apm
[01:44] <snowblink> Censorydep, just ask
[01:45] <Censorydep> thanks.  I have apm in /etc/modules and I have removed acpi from the system, but apm still doesn't seem to be loading into the kernel.  What did I miss?
[01:46] <thoreauputic> Censorydep: funny - does sudo modprobe apm work?
[01:47] <xulin> hi !
[01:47] <xulin> just a question
[01:48] <Censorydep> interesting: FATAL: Error inserting apm (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/apm.ko): No such device
[01:48] <xulin> does the smp kernel in hoary for pentium is compiled with HT ?
[01:48] <Censorydep> looks like I am missing a file... re-install apm maybe?
[01:51] <thoreauputic> Censorydep: a linux kernel without an apm module? seems unlikely
[01:52] <Censorydep> true.  But it still leaves me stymied.
[01:54] <kent> Whats the best solution to fetch mail from pop3 from an external server, save them localy on my host Leviatan  - and to be able to read the mail with evolution (When im on Leviatan) and read it with webmail-client when im not on Leviatan? Right now I just fetch it from pop3 and save it locally with evolution, so i cant read the mail when im away from my computer :(
[01:55] <Xappe> IMAP?
[01:55] <thoreauputic> kent: does your isp not have web mail? I just tell evo to leave the mail on the server
[01:57] <kent> thoreauputic: well, if I dont save the mail locally my account will get full very fast. And I dont want to remove mails..  But yes, they offer webmail. But i thought perhaps I could fetch the mail and save them in a imap-account or something locally and then have evolution and a webmail-client read it from there..  That might work.  But Im unsure about how to do it..
[01:58] <thoreauputic> kent: or get a gmail account - currently you can have more than 2gigs of storage
[01:58] <thoreauputic> and you can redirect from there if you wish
[01:59] <Censorydep> thoreauputic: any idea why apm wouldn't be in my kernel?
[01:59] <Censorydep> or at least not able to be loaded into it?
[01:59] <thoreauputic> Censorydep: no - it must be there - something else I don't understand is blocking it
[02:00] <Censorydep> cool, thanks.  I am going to try the forums next.
[02:00] <paulproteus> kent: I have an IMAP server running on my desktop.  It serves out my mail archives by webmail I can log in to.
[02:01] <kent> paulproteus: what is the imap server you're using? courier? I have not done this before, and would like to get a few tips. etc
[02:02] <rottis> what imap server should i use?
[02:02] <paulproteus> kent: I use maildir for mail storage.
[02:02] <rottis> whats easy
[02:02] <paulproteus> rottis, kent: do you use Maildir or mbox as your mail format?
[02:02] <paulproteus> And/or, do you know or care about the difference?
[02:02] <rottis> i dont care difference..
[02:02] <paulproteus> rottis: Okay, great. :)
[02:02] <paulproteus> then apt-get install dovecot
[02:03] <paulproteus> Dovecot is a nice, fast IMAP server.
[02:03] <rottis> ok thanks
[02:03] <rottis> i'll try that
[02:03] <paulproteus> Then open e.g. Evolution, sign in to your localhost IMAP account with your username/password, and move your email over.
[02:03] <kent> paulproteus: right now I fetch the mail with evolution from a pop3-server. And i think evolution uses a mbox.  But thats not relevant is it?
[02:04] <paulproteus> kent: It's not relevant because once you install dovecot, you can use your mail in "IMAP space", where all Evolution sees is the IMAP folders.  So the workings behind-the-scenes won't matter to Evolution.
[02:04] <kent> paulproteus: Oh, I can install dovecat, and move the mail into it with evolution?  Do you know how to automaticly fetch mail from pop3-server into the imap-server ?
[02:04] <paulproteus> kent: I think you can do it easily but I don't use evolution for that.
[02:04] <paulproteus> I use fetchmail for that.
[02:04] <paulproteus> I have to run, but that's my spiel. :)
[02:04] <davegahan> anyone who knows the name of the program one can use to configure the fonts used in apps like skype and scribus ?
[02:05] <dazzed> anyone know the name of that marsvolta song...the radion one
[02:05] <dazzed> radio*
[02:05] <kent> paulproteus: what do dovecat have which makes it a better choice than other alternatives?
[02:06] <rottis> now i installed that dovecot is that ready to use now?
[02:06] <Xappe> davegahan: are they qt apps? then you probably can use QT Configuration
[02:06] <kent> paulproteus: oh, dovecat is not in ubuntu archive :(
[02:06] <thoreauputic> davegahan: fontconfig ?
[02:08] <kent> paulproteus: sorry for the spam. I read it wrong, its dovecot not dovecat. :)
[02:08] <rottis> paulproteus: now i installed that dovecot is that ready to use now? like.. Setting up dovecot-imapd (0.99.14-1) ...
[02:08] <odyssey> davegahan, is it possible to change the font?
[02:09] <thoreauputic> kent:  dovecot ( not dovecat)
[02:09] <davegahan> yes its a qt app
[02:10] <Xappe> davegahan: then try to use the qt3-qtconfig package
[02:10] <thoreauputic> kent: oops sorry missed your last post
[02:10] <davegahan> one tip for Skype
[02:10] <davegahan> it will work only if you select the ALSA audio system
[02:12] <odyssey> davegahan, where does one select that?
[02:16] <davegahan> in System, multimedia
[02:16] <kent> rottis: paulproteus, I have also installed dovecot now.  Can it use my account or must i create a new accout in the dovecot configuration in some way? I tried to make a new account in evolution to log into to the imap-server, but it dont seem to be able to use my account :(
[02:16] <davegahan> multimedia systems selector
[02:16] <selinium> Hi all, As bluefish and Quanta do not have the ability to edit via ftp. Is it possible to create a folder that links to a remote folder?
[02:17] <davegahan> took me 3 weeks to find that out and make my skype work
[02:17] <rottis> i dont know.. we'll have to wait for paulproteus :D
[02:17] <Xappe> davegahan: do you have to kill esd to make skype work?
[02:18] <dazzed> is there a way to add gmail account to gkrellm mail checker
[02:19] <mishof> how can i change the icon that an application uses (not the icon in the menu bar, the icon the will show at bottom, and on the top left of the window) ?
[02:19] <blackbird_> hello
[02:19] <blackbird_> i have a question ;)
[02:19] <blackbird_> i'm trying to connect to my windows network with ubuntu
[02:20] <blackbird_> but i can't see my shared folders, i suppose i have to change my network name but how do i do that in ubuntu?
[02:20] <mishof> in smb.conf
[02:20] <blackbird_> isn't there a way to do it in a menu or something?
[02:20] <blackbird_> i tend to mess up things i have to edit ;)
[02:20] <mishof> nope ;)
[02:21] <odyssey> it should just work should it not?
[02:21] <blackbird_> the workgroup name has to be the same no?
[02:22] <mishof> the default for ubuntu is "MSHOME" but he might have another name to the windows network ...
[02:22] <blackbird_> yep i have a different name ;)
[02:22] <blackbird_> i always want to do it the hard way lol
[02:23] <mishof> suo gedit /etc/samba/smb.conf, its on the first uncommented line ;P
[02:23] <mishof> sudo*
[02:23] <blackbird_> just have to do that in a terminal yes?
[02:23] <mishof> it will open a non terminal application (gedit)
[02:24] <odyssey> blackbird_, no
[02:24] <blackbird_> where do i have to typ it then?
[02:24] <mishof> type it on the terminal
[02:24] <blackbird_> oki
[02:25] <ManLord> HOW to start 2 instances of kaffeine?
[02:26] <rottis> kent: wow i  got it work just write dovecot .. if u have config working :)
[02:26] <blackbird_> i have to reboot before it works? :p
[02:27] <mishof> blackbird_, nope
[02:27] <kent> rottis: you meen the accout to use to login is dovecot?
[02:27] <blackbird_> hm not working
[02:27] <mishof> blackbird_, just to restart samba : sudo /etc/init.d/samba restart **i think !
[02:27] <rottis> no i used just my user
[02:28] <kent> rottis: but what did you meen with "just write dovecot" then?
[02:28] <odyssey> blackbird_, in the nautilus address bar type smb://
[02:28] <rottis> to the prompt
[02:29] <rottis> xterm or what eve
[02:29] <dazzed> my smb sucks
[02:29] <dazzed> horrible
[02:29] <thundrcleeze> .
[02:29] <rottis> if thats not running already
[02:29] <rottis> ..
[02:29] <blackbird_> you lost me again, nautilus address bar? ;)
[02:29] <odyssey> the file browser
[02:29] <mishof> blackbird_, first type "sudo /etc/init.d/samba restart", then go to smb:// in nautilus ...
[02:29] <thoreauputic> blackbird_: in the file manager (nautilus)
[02:30] <mishof> he first needs to restart samba :\
[02:30] <kent> rottis: i got it to work now :)
[02:30] <odyssey> mishof, your assuming he has samba installed
[02:30] <mishof> odyssey, hmmm i understood he does
[02:30] <rottis> good :)
[02:30] <blackbird_> the command doesn't work
[02:31] <odyssey> then you dont have samba installed just samba-common which is all you need to browse shares
[02:31] <Zerboxx> I have a slight problem, how do I set up my printer?
[02:31] <odyssey> type smb:// into nautilus
[02:31] <dazzed> blackbird_: if that command doesnt work then you dont have samba installed
[02:32] <kent> rottis: now I only need to make it so that the mail gets fetched from pop3 into my imap-account. So that i can leave my computer on at home, and go home to my parents for some day and use a webmail-client  :)
[02:32] <blackbird_> if i check my network settings: in general you can click "enable windows networking"
[02:32] <rottis> yea..
[02:33] <blackbird_> but then it says i need to install smb support
[02:33] <dazzed> blackbird_: did you apt-get or use synaptic to get samba?
[02:33] <dazzed> blackbird_: yeah you need to do this commnad "sudo apt-get install samba"
[02:33] <kent> rottis: do you know if fetchmail is the only way to do that?
[02:33] <blackbird_> oki it's unpacking
[02:35] <krzysiek> hi
[02:35] <blackbird_> oki done that
[02:35] <blackbird_> "starting samba daemons"
[02:36] <SiRrUs> hi
[02:36] <dazzed> blackbird_: ok now type smb:// in nautilus
[02:37] <blackbird_> "look in folder" smb:// right?
[02:38] <rottis> i dont know..
[02:38] <odyssey> blackbird_, type this into applications-->Run  nautilus smb://
[02:39] <blackbird_> doesn't find anything yet
[02:39] <blackbird_> and i still can't click the "enable windows networking" in network settings
[02:39] <dazzed> blackbird_: its not a folder its a server
[02:40] <dazzed> blackbird_: dont worry about that yet
[02:40] <dazzed> in your directory line in nautilus you type "smb://" and hit enter....
[02:41] <blackbird_> then i get a new window "windows network"
[02:41] <selinium> Hi all, Is it possible to create a folder locally that connects via ftp to a remmote folder?
[02:41] <dcraven> selinium: Places -> Connect to server
[02:41] <dazzed> blackbird_: thats right
[02:41] <dazzed> blackbird_: and do your windows computers on the network come up...the workgroups
[02:42] <selinium> dcraven: Cheers!
[02:42] <blackbird_> no :(
[02:42] <blackbird_> nothing
[02:42] <dcraven> selinium: Works quite well.
[02:42] <dazzed> did you do 'sudo /etc/init.d/samaba restart'
[02:43] <mishof> blackbird_, it happens to me always (from unknown reason) that after i restart my samba server it takes a few (5-10) minutes until i can browse to windows folders... dunno why ...
[02:43] <tsume> hmmm
[02:43] <tsume> :( splashy doesn't boot for me
[02:43] <dazzed> mishof: thats cuz samba sucks :/
[02:44] <tsume> I set my vid to 792, and don't even get an error
[02:44] <blackbird_> oki, but it has nothing to do with the "enable windows networking"
[02:44] <tsume> it does show the text for "booting at 40%"
[02:44] <dazzed> thats only for sharing a linux folder on a windows network...and you cant access linux computers from a windows box without additional programs
[02:45] <dazzed> blackbird_: ^
[02:45] <blackbird_> oki
[02:45] <mishof> dazzed, sure you can ..
[02:45] <mishof> Oo
[02:45] <dazzed> mishof: sure you cant
[02:45] <tsume> you can install samba
[02:45] <dazzed> need winscp3
[02:45] <selinium> dcraven: what would the path be to the places folder?
[02:45] <Zerboxx> The printer thing in System>Admin is that CUPS or... LRPM or whatever the other thing is?
[02:45] <decon> Why isnt firefox 1.0.3 on ubuntu's APT ?
[02:45] <odyssey> mishof, probably because it waits for the master browser to be annonced over the broadcast address of the network
[02:45] <mishof> dazzed, i acess my linux from xp and xbox without any additional programs
[02:45] <tsume> decon: if you want the latest software, you will need to use breezy
[02:46] <odyssey> decon, i dont think its in there either
[02:46] <mishof> odyssey, any way to make it broadcast right away or something ?
[02:46] <tsume> decon: all software in hoary will just get old, but at least it will have sec patches
[02:46] <dazzed> mishof: you goto to "windows network" from your Explorer on windows and click the Linux computer (Ubuntu, Samba) and it loads?
[02:46] <mishof> dazzed, yes
[02:46] <dazzed> mishof: insane...i have never seen or heard anyone to do that
[02:46] <dazzed> it doesnt work for me
[02:46] <dazzed> ..\
[02:46] <mishof> dazzed, why not ? just needed to make the folders acessible to guests with no password
[02:46] <odyssey> mishof, you can set the ip of the master browser in the smb.conf
[02:46] <xiglet> is it possible to switch between rdesktop and workspace (or another workspace) if rdesktop is in fullscreen?
[02:47] <decon> tsume, What's breezy ? and what do you mean with sec patches ?
[02:47] <dazzed> mishof: ahh well i guess if you did that...
[02:47] <mishof> odyssey, what should i set it to ? my machine's ip ?
[02:47] <odyssey> decon, breezy is the next ubuntu version which is currently in development
[02:47] <dazzed> mishof: i forgot about doing that
[02:47] <dawnfading> hi
[02:47] <mishof> dazzed, ;)
[02:48] <thoreauputic> xiglet: try ctrl-alt-F7
[02:48] <Cowlike-away> just s/hoary/breezy/g  in sources.list, right?
[02:48] <blackbird_> oki i see "homelan" (my workgroup name) and one pc under it, ubuntu (but not my winxp shared folder)
[02:48] <decon> odyssey, so there wont be any new updates out till its out :S?
[02:48] <thoreauputic> xiglet: that should be your default desktop
[02:48] <dawnfading> i'm thinking of updating from warty to hoary... how 'dangerous' is it?
[02:48] <dazzed> mishof: where do i go to do that i want to test :)
[02:48] <dazzed> how do i set to guest no pw
[02:48] <mishof> dazzed, in smb.conf do this :
[02:48] <tsume> decon: sec == security
[02:48] <odyssey> mishof, your windows machine probably... to get an real good understanding of whats going on i suggest you install ethereal and packet sniff on your networks broadcast address
[02:49] <tsume> decon: hoary won't have any new software until the breezy release
[02:49] <tsume> decon: its how most deb based systems work
[02:49] <odyssey> decon, i believe they only release security updates
[02:49] <tsume> how mosy linux distros work
[02:49] <mishof> dazzed, here's my movies shared folder on smb.conf: [movies] [NEW LINE HERE] path = /data/movies[NEW LINE HERE] guest ok = yes[NEW LINE HERE] share modes = yes
[02:49] <mishof> odyssey, ill try learning more about it :)
[02:49] <decon> odyssey, firefox 1.0.3 is a security update :S?
[02:50] <xiglet> thoreauputic: I mean to switch workspace in gnome .. you have 4 by default.. I don't know how do minimize rdesktop when it's in fullscreen, and if I setup gnome to use shortcut keys for workspace switching, windows is responding to the shortcut keys
[02:50] <dazzed> mishof: ok thanks let me give that a try
[02:50] <dcraven> dawnfading: not dangerous at all.. In fact it's recommended.
[02:50] <dawnfading> dcraven
[02:50] <odyssey> decon, true, but why it isnt released as that is beyond me
[02:50] <dawnfading> shouldn't i even do some kind of backup or so?
[02:51] <selinium> i have a folder in my PLACES, what would the path be to it?
[02:51] <decon> but what about the new mplayerpre7 ? and libxcidcore4 ? it wont update but its in te update menu in Synaptic :S? it says that it needs libc6 but I have already install that :S
[02:51] <dcraven> dawnfading: well if your data is crucial, then I'd surmise that you have backups already. That should be the case whether upgrading to Hoary or not. Short answer: of course you should! :)
[02:52] <thoreauputic> xiglet: alt-F9 to minimise a window (dunno if that works for rdesktop though)
[02:53] <dawnfading> any suggestions on that? can i take a kind of image of the system and put them on a different disk or so?
[02:53] <odyssey> decon, do you have marrilant repo ticked?
[02:54] <dcraven> dawnfading: Hmm.. I typically just make a big tarball of relevant data. I've never made an image of the system so I'm not familiar with those tools, however I'm sure they exist.
[02:54] <dazzed> mishof: is there a special guest username i should use ... or just 'guest' will work?
[02:54] <selinium> dcraven: that worked. can i access it by a path. I want to point my html editor at it
[02:54] <tsume> I'm still troubled by a splashy bug :/
[02:54] <dawnfading> okay
[02:54] <dcraven> dawnfading: s/relevent/important
[02:55] <mishof> dazzed, nope just type guest ok = yes :)
[02:55] <mishof> but make the folder read/executable to all :P
[02:55] <dcraven> selinium: that's up to the editor I think. Vim for instance can edit over ssh.
[02:55] <dazzed> mishof: i did that restarted smb and i goto login on windows and its asking for authentification
[02:55] <dazzed> its r/w to all
[02:56] <decon> odyssey, dont even know what it is ^^?
[02:57] <mishof> dazzed, better ask someone more expirienced, i just copied that from somewhere and it worked for me ;)
[02:58] <dazzed> mishof: ehh...yeah ohwell im comfortable using winscp3 til then :)
[02:58] <selinium> dcraven: What i need is a /path/to/folder/ftp so I can use any editor. If you see what i mean?
[02:59] <dcraven> selinium: yes
[02:59] <selinium> dcraven: Is it possible?
[02:59] <travisnux> I've a problem ! I want to use mysql but when i start mysql ( /etc/init.d/mysql start ) it fail, I use postgresql too and it fail too
[02:59] <travisnux> please help me
[03:00] <selinium> thoreauputic: what happened there? :)
[03:00] <thoreauputic> I was disconnected sudenly - don't know why
[03:01] <selinium> thoreauputic: you and twelve others!
[03:01] <thoreauputic> interestingly, I'm back with the same nick
[03:01] <SiRrUs> thoreauputic several were disconnected at the same time
[03:01] <thoreauputic> ah, well obviously I didn't see those
[03:01] <decon> what is a marrilant repo ticked ?
[03:02] <SiRrUs> :) many on brown.freenode
[03:02] <selinium> thoreauputic: Would you know how to create  a /path/to/folder/ftp so I can use any html editor?
[03:03] <thoreauputic> selinium: sorry I don't understand your question ...
[03:03] <Delgul> my hp officejet printer is spewing out postscipt code when printing from the gimp. any tips?
[03:04] <selinium> thoreauputic: I am trying to edit remote files. all the html editors do not have this as standard. I have a ftp folder in PLACES but I cant find the path to it.
[03:04] <decon> tsume, do you know what a marrilant repo ticked is ?
[03:04] <selinium> thoreauputic: did that make any sense?
[03:05] <thoreauputic> selinium: is the remote directory on a linux box reachable by ssh?
[03:05] <selinium> thoreauputic: yes
[03:05] <thoreauputic> selinium: I would just do an ssh to the remote machine and edit from there
[03:06] <thoreauputic> if you want an X editor, use ssh -X
[03:06] <Delgul> printig from the gimp anyone? I get postscript code all the time!
[03:06] <selinium> thoreauputic: I like my text editor pretty colours! It stops me from making as many mistakes! :)
[03:06] <thoreauputic> selinium: then enable X forwarding with ssh -X, as I said
[03:07] <thoreauputic> selinium: then you can run your pretty editor on the remote machine
[03:07] <thoreauputic> selinium: assuming bandwidth isn't an issue of course
[03:07] <selinium> thoreauputic: I see, then I would need to install the editor on the remote machine, right? :) still trying to get to grips with this linux stuff :)
[03:08] <thoreauputic> selinium: right - it runs on the remote machine
[03:08] <thoreauputic> it connects to your local X server
[03:09] <dazzed> hey whats the command to change time?
[03:09] <selinium> thoreauputic: Cheers for the pointers. There really should be a paypal type arrangement for buying someone a beer!
[03:09] <selinium> thoreauputic: I know I owe you a few by now!
[03:09] <thoreauputic> selinium: heh - well next time you are in Oz you can buy me a beer ;)
[03:09] <IIIEars> selenium how about a way to FAX someone a "flat" beer?
[03:09] <dazzed> lol faxing
[03:09] <selinium> IIIEars LOL
[03:10] <dazzed> but seriously whats the command to edit the time :)
[03:10] <thoreauputic> dazzed: tzconfig?
[03:10] <dazzed> thoreauputic: thanks
[03:10] <dazzed> forgot
[03:10] <thoreauputic> dazzed: or date
[03:10] <IIIEars> hwclock? -
[03:10] <dawnfading> maybe a stupid questions but how do i compress files from the command line?
[03:10] <thoreauputic> dawnfading: depends what kind of compression you want
[03:11] <dcraven> dawnfading: gzip, zip, rar etc
[03:11] <dawnfading> i need to compress a 6Gb sql table
[03:11] <IIIEars> << New linux user (150 hours) haven't rebooted in days. - Is my computer on? - grin
[03:11] <dawnfading> which one would then be best gzip, zip or rar?
[03:12] <ManLord> How to install gnome on Kubuntu?
[03:12] <thoreauputic> dawnfading: bzip2 *grin*
[03:12] <jsgotangco> ManLord, gnome-desktop
[03:12] <jsgotangco> wait
[03:12] <jsgotangco> wrong
[03:12] <patrickf> Please can someone help me to find my harddisks (system=ubuntu)?
[03:12] <jsgotangco> i think its ubuntu-desktop
[03:12] <dcraven> dawnfading: I'd do bzip2 -9 I suppose.
[03:13] <dawnfading> tnx
[03:13] <dcraven> np
[03:13] <thoreauputic> patrickf: sudo fdisk -l
[03:13] <patrickf> I'm linux beginner, installed ubuntu now and cant find all my disks
[03:13] <ManLord> so sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop.... is that it? nothing more?
[03:13] <dcraven> Hmm.. looks like -9 is default actually. I didn't know that.
[03:13] <patrickf> ok
[03:13] <IIIEars> does anyone know about the union file system - will it be included on the next version of the ubuntu live cd?
[03:14] <jsgotangco> ManLord, yes that should do you stuff but i think it'll ask you about gdm/kdm not so sure, most likely though
[03:14] <ManLord> ok
[03:14] <ManLord> thanks
[03:15] <odyssey> IIIEars, what is the union filesystem?
[03:15] <dcraven> IIIEars: Given that nobody has heard of it, I hope not.
[03:15] <ManLord> jsgotangco, so then i get 2 startup options?
[03:15] <odyssey> oh wait i remember
[03:15] <IIIEars> it is a "symlink" system that allows directories to be extended as writeable into memory
[03:16] <jsgotangco> ManLord, no you choose only 1 either kdm or gdm i prefer kdm though
[03:16] <jsgotangco> especially when you use both
[03:16] <ManLord> where do i choose?
[03:17] <IIIEars> it would be awesome for a home server. Hacked? - just reboot - grin
[03:18] <dcraven> ManLord: if you need to choose, the install will likely ask you.
[03:18] <ManLord> ok
[03:19] <dell500> how do you get a raid array to assemble on bootup and then mount itself?
[03:19] <ManLord> also if i use kynaptic not apt-get command?
[03:19] <dcraven> ManLord: I'd use the term. I don't know what kynaptic is.
[03:20] <ManLord> is the same as synaptic
[03:20] <ManLord> the package manager for kubuntu
[03:20] <GNAM> ubuntuguide has update NVIDIA instructions!
[03:20] <dcraven> ManLord: I don't know what has been implemented in kynaptic and what hasn't. I understand it has less features than synaptic, maybe one of those features is the ability to ask you whether you want gdm or kdm? Terminal is your best bet in this case I'd say.
[03:21] <ManLord> ok
[03:21] <ManLord> thanks
[03:21] <patrickf> Ok, I also looked with "cat /etc/fstab"  but my seconded harddisc is not listened!
[03:21] <dcraven> ManLord: No doubt I'm selling kynaptic short though.
[03:21] <dcraven> ManLord: np
[03:21] <patrickf> I see only hda, hd5, hdd and fd0
[03:22] <thoreauputic> patrickf: so add entries for /dev/hdb or whatever it is
[03:22] <patrickf> ok, how?
[03:22] <nadav> How do I find out what's using my sound card?
[03:23] <thoreauputic> patrickf: edit /etc/fstab and add entries for the partitions you want
[03:23] <patrickf> ok
[03:25] <thoreauputic> patrickf: what the entries will be depends on file system and whether you need read-write etc and whether it's windows or linux, and so on
[03:27] <dcraven> Man redrawing is painfully slow on this laptop... I don't know whether to blame me or gtk..
[03:27] <dcraven> I think I'll blame gtk.
[03:27] <IIIEars> nadav i am kind of new to this so someone correct me if i am wrong - will ps -e give you the info?
[03:27] <dcraven> Damn gtk.
[03:28] <thoreauputic> patrickf: assuming it's /dev/hdb,  sudo fdisk -l /dev/hdb should see it
[03:28] <patrickf> thoreauputic,  I'm getting the Message:
[03:28] <nadav> IIIEars: Well, that'll give me the processes running
[03:28] <patrickf> WARNING: Unknown mime type for /etc/fstab   -- using application/*
[03:28] <patrickf> ERROR: No edit mailcup rules found for type application/*
[03:28] <nadav> but it won't tell me which one is using the card
[03:29] <IIIEars> what is he " switch?-l"
[03:29] <thoreauputic> patrickf: um - /etc/fstab is just a text file
[03:29] <patrickf> I can open it with the nano editor also?
[03:29] <deja-vu> alquien habla espaol?
[03:29] <thoreauputic> patrickf: of course
[03:29] <patrickf> Sorry, know I know hehe
[03:29] <thoreauputic> patrickf: you need sudo nano /etc/fstab
[03:30] <] BreliC[> deja-vu, maybe in #ubuntu-es ?
[03:30] <IIIEars> deja-vu - yo entiendo un pocos palabras su prgunta es?
[03:30] <deja-vu> ok, muchas gracias
[03:30] <IIIEars> good link ubuntu is getting popular - wide grin
[03:30] <] BreliC[> deja-vu, de nada
[03:31] <dcraven> ] BreliC[: de nada == you're welcome?
[03:31] <] BreliC[> dcraven, yes
[03:31] <deja-vu> <] BreliC[> ;)
[03:31] <] BreliC[> dcraven, literally, "of nothing", which people also say in french "de rien"
[03:32] <dcraven> I know Spanish now.
[03:32] <IIIEars> linux has a free application for everything. is there one that will translate IRC?
[03:32] <] BreliC[> lol
[03:32] <deja-vu> IIIEars estaba buscando algun manual en espaol, mientras espero los CD's...
[03:32] <dcraven> IIIEars: write a babelfish plugin.
[03:32] <IIIEars> i googled it a few days ago all i found were apps to translate variables in source code
[03:32] <thoreauputic> nothing will translate IRC - it's a language unto itself *grin*
[03:33] <] BreliC[> IIIEars, maybe look at a Kopete plugin which purports to translate on the fly
[03:33] <] BreliC[> maybe you can adapt it to IRC
[03:33] <IIIEars> Great! - THANK YOU
[03:34] <] BreliC[> speaking of babelfish, anyone else looking forward to HHG2G on Friday??
[03:34] <snowblink> deja-vu, sudo apt-get install doc-es-misc doc-linux-es
[03:34] <snowblink> ah, too late
[03:34] <dcraven> ] BreliC[: I'm not 'cause I don't know what it is.
[03:34] <patrickf> can I write "/dev/hdb  mountpoint=/    type=ext3    options=default, errors=remount-ro   dump=0   pass=1
[03:34] <] BreliC[> dcraven, hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy!!
[03:35] <] BreliC[> you've never read those books?
[03:35] <dcraven> ] BreliC[: haha.. Years ago. I'm not sure if I'm looking forward to the movie or not though.
[03:35] <dcraven> ] BreliC[: I've lost all faith in the motion picture industry.
[03:35] <steve_> hello all :) does anyone else in here use xcompmgr ?
[03:36] <] BreliC[> dcraven, i hear ya... true enough
[03:36] <thoreauputic> patrickf: no
[03:36] <steve_> any tips on making it more stable, crashing on me every 30 mins or
[03:36] <steve_> so
[03:36] <dcraven> steve_: disable it?
[03:36] <thoreauputic> patrickf: you need e.g. /dev/hdb1 and so on
[03:36] <dcraven> steve_: I don't think it's meant for everyday use just yet.
[03:36] <steve_> I have :) just wondered if anyone has it running stable
[03:36] <thoreauputic> patrickf: look at your existing fstab for clues and read man fstab
[03:37] <dcraven> steve_: if they have it running stable, I hope they are submitting code patches to fdo.
[03:37] <steve_> looks good when its working though :)
[03:38] <Sauron21> hi.....could anyone tell me if there is a ubuntu icon folder?
[03:38] <dcraven> steve_: it sure does. I'd suggest giving it more time. People are working very hard on it so that we can all have sexy desktops.
[03:38] <thoreauputic> Sauron21: there are several - the gnome default is /usr/share/pixmaps
[03:38] <dcraven> Sauron21: I'm not sure what you mean, but you can install icons for your user in ~/.icons I think.
[03:39] <dcraven> Sauron21: or what thoreauputic said.
[03:39] <thoreauputic> Sauron21: try the command "locate icon" and you'll see lots
[03:39] <propagandhi> dcraven: what were u referring to just then - i just joined
[03:39] <trm> Hi All, please can someone help me setting up a printer in Windows, printing from Ubuntu on a network.
[03:39] <dcraven> propagandhi: < Sauron21> hi.....could anyone tell me if there is a ubuntu icon folder?
[03:40] <propagandhi> ahh i see
[03:40] <PD> hi ppl, anybody from brussels out here
[03:40] <thoreauputic> Sauron21: umm... locate icon | less  ( might be better *grin*)
[03:40] <dcraven> thoreauputic: heh
[03:40] <propagandhi> isnt /usr/share/icons the same idea??
[03:40] <dcraven> propagandhi: system-wide, I think so.
[03:41] <thoreauputic> propagandhi: KDE uses that I think
[03:41] <propagandhi> ahh ok
[03:41] <propagandhi> oops
[03:41] <sikor_sxe> where can i get that frigging firefox 1.0.3? :)
[03:41] <dcraven> thoreauputic: My GNOME icons are in there.
[03:41] <propagandhi> i always forget ubuntu is gnome based
[03:41] <amnesia> hi
[03:42] <propagandhi> mozilla.org??
[03:42] <thoreauputic> dcraven: here I have theme icons in /usr/share/icons
[03:42] <sikor_sxe> mozilla?
[03:42] <trm> Other Ubuntu pc's can print to the networked printer as ipp://192.168.0.93/printers/LaserJet-3 but how do I set windows up to see this printer
[03:42] <thoreauputic> dcraven: and a few others
[03:42] <sikor_sxe> i read there is a ubuntu backport
[03:42] <dcraven> thoreauputic: yeah. Same deal here, but they are GNOME icon themes, like Human.
[03:42] <sikor_sxe> however firefox 1.0.3 does not show up on synaptic :/
[03:43] <thoreauputic> dcraven: yes, so it isn't a KDE only zone ;-)
[03:43] <amnesia> sikor_sxe because it is not in ubuntu
[03:43] <Bazzi> sikor_sxe what do you need the 1.0.3 for?
[03:43] <propagandhi> sikor - are u using the breezy sources
[03:43] <amnesia> sikor_sxe, not in hoary that is
[03:43] <dcraven> sikor_sxe: if it is the security updates you are concerned with, I believe they are merged with the latest version in Ubuntu.
[03:44] <sikor_sxe> Bazzi, for the sake of god: 1.0.2 is totally vulnerable
[03:44] <sikor_sxe> dcraven, nope that is bull
[03:44] <Bazzi> totally?
[03:44] <dcraven> sikor_sxe: okay
[03:44] <sikor_sxe> i've been told here several time
[03:44] <Bazzi> 1.0.3 is about as vulnerable.
[03:44] <sikor_sxe> s
[03:44] <sikor_sxe> 1 sec
[03:44] <Bazzi> those 4 bugs fixed wont make it better
[03:44] <Bazzi> its more paranoia
[03:44] <sikor_sxe> http://www.mikx.de/firelinking/
[03:45] <propagandhi> whats the problem anyway!
[03:45] <trm> Pleeeeze can someone spare a few minutes to help me sort out my problem :) I have read the guides with no joy
[03:45] <sikor_sxe> that firelinking bug *is* evil
[03:45] <dcraven> sikor_sxe: you could always get the installer straight from mozilla.org.
[03:45] <sikor_sxe> and i don't want to use a browser having this vulnerability
[03:45] <sikor_sxe> dcraven, yeah but it's not integrated
[03:46] <selinium> HI all, how do you add other programs to the open dialog for a particular user. I can do it for the sudo but not my own profile.
[03:46] <sikor_sxe> this is not about paranoia, this is about a bug which gives websites axx to your harddrive
[03:47] <dcraven> sikor_sxe: but it is not vulnerable.
[03:47] <dcraven> sikor_sxe: tradeoff I guess.
[03:47] <thoreauputic> trm: possibly with samba, but I don't use or know samba...
[03:47] <dcraven> sikor_sxe: avoid porn and warez sites.
[03:47] <sikor_sxe> Dcraven: did you try that firelinking thing?
[03:47] <goldfish> lol
[03:47] <goldfish> warez sites :)
[03:47] <dcraven> sikor_sxe: of course not.
[03:48] <sikor_sxe> this is a great attitude towards security
[03:48] <Shufla> hello :)
[03:48] <trm> thoreauputic, so I take it thats its a mission to print from Windows to Ubuntu ?
[03:48] <sikor_sxe> sometimes you click the wrong links in google
[03:48] <sikor_sxe> it's unavoidable to visit slick www pages
[03:48] <goldfish> "I meant to click the library link but somehow click the I want free porn site."
[03:49] <sikor_sxe> yeah
[03:49] <IIIEars> wow that is scary - (turns off java and crosses fingers)
[03:49] <thoreauputic> trm: it should be possible fairly easily using samba - I just don't use samba so I can't personally help you
[03:49] <fragspaz> im having trouble getting my mic working
[03:49] <dos000> is there an iptables configuration utility in warty/hoary ?
[03:49] <fragspaz> linux wont record anything
[03:49] <trm> ok thanks, anyone esle here knowledgeable in Samba ?
[03:49] <thoreauputic> trm: but it's documented: try googling "samba printing linux" maybe
[03:49] <dcraven> trm: it's actually quite simple, and you don't need samba.. hold up a sec.
[03:49] <linforcer> hey does anyone know where I should check for using gamepads in ubunut (other than google )
[03:49] <amnesia> somebody paste me a default /etc/apt/sourcs.lst in private please
[03:50] <sikor_sxe> IIIEars, i think you have to turn off javascript
[03:50] <Shufla> fragspaz, is your mic unmuted? check also System->Audio control for input...
[03:50] <sikor_sxe> which renders your browser unusable
[03:50] <fragspaz> shufla, it is unmuted, but it wont pick anything up
[03:50] <trm> thanks dcraven I am just stumped as to where to point windows to find the printer
[03:50] <fragspaz> it is plugged in proeprly
[03:51] <Shufla> fragspaz, you should hear little echo in speakers. do you hear it?
[03:51] <fragspaz> no
[03:51] <dcraven> trm: this guide worked perfectly for my wifes XP machine printing to my Ubuntu printer --> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/NetworkPrintingFromWin2000
[03:51] <linforcer> de devide manager can tell it's a thrustmaster vibrating bad, but >.>
[03:51] <dcraven> trm: no samba needed
[03:51] <linforcer> pad*
[03:51] <dawnfading> okay, i just did an upgrade to hoary
[03:51] <dawnfading> and i got this from apt-get
[03:52] <trm> cool, checking now should be much the same for server 2003 I hope
[03:52] <dawnfading> "errors were encountered while processing"
[03:52] <dawnfading> /var/cache/apt/archives/mozilla-firefox_1.0.2-ubuntu5-i386.deb
[03:52] <dawnfading> anyone know what this could be
[03:52] <dawnfading> or if it's serious?
[03:53] <snowblink> dawnfading, did you have backports in warty?
[03:53] <dawnfading> what are backports?
[03:53] <snowblink> dawnfading, okay, so probably not...
[03:53] <dawnfading> is it like things in synaptic that are not in the standard repository?
[03:54] <Beano> <3 streamripper
[03:54] <dawnfading> what should i do with these errors?
[03:54] <nix000>  /msg NickServ IDENTIFY farfelu
[03:54] <snowblink> dawnfading, don't install ff1.0.2, go and get 1.0.3 from the mozilla site
[03:55] <nix000> oops
[03:55] <dawnfading> but is it just the browser that is not updated?
[03:55] <dcraven> nix000: silly... ;P
[03:55] <dawnfading> or will all the other stuff that needed to be updated be still outdated
[03:55] <dawnfading> in the dist-upgrade
[03:55] <snowblink> dawnfading, try removing it then dist-upgrading again
[03:55] <fragspaz> can someone help me with my mic prob
[03:55] <nix000> dcraven, falls into a honeypot ;-
[03:56] <dawnfading> snowblink, what to remove?
[03:56] <snowblink> dawnfading, assuming you are coming from warty
[03:56] <dcraven> nix000: heh
[03:56] <fragspaz> i need to record some odf my bands work, and i cant =\
[03:56] <dawnfading> true
[03:56] <snowblink> dawnfading, firefox
[03:56] <dawnfading> just remove it with synaptic?
[03:57] <snowblink> dawnfading, backup stuff like your bookmarks first
[03:57] <dawnfading> any idea where those book marks are saved (? i know i'm asking alot)
[03:58] <Airo> Group mail proggies for linux?
[03:58] <snowblink> dawnfading, ~/.mozilla
[03:59] <dawnfading> okay
[03:59] <FlyingSquirrell3> having trouble connecting evolution to an exchange server, could anyone help me?
[03:59] <dawnfading> and then i just remove the mozilla in synaptic
[03:59] <souki> hello, where to post bug-report for hoary ?
[03:59] <dcraven> linforcer: is that a DirectConnect joystick?
[03:59] <kaouete> bugzilla.ubuntu.com souki
[03:59] <snowblink> dawnfading, I'm assuming you'll want to get the latest FF with the security patch
[03:59] <juh4n> hi, i'm having problems with the wireless card in my laptop... any idea where i can get some help?
[03:59] <kaouete> juh4n: look here and at the forums
[04:00] <trm> dcraven, tried it but windows does not find the printer
[04:00] <dawnfading> right
[04:00] <trm> dcraven, I can ping it and it responds
[04:00] <dcraven> trm: crap.. Microsoft must have caught on since they released XP..
[04:00] <dawnfading> once i removed firefox
[04:00] <dawnfading> is there an easy way to install the file
[04:00] <dawnfading> (since i won't have a browser anymore)
[04:01] <snowblink> dawnfading, heh - you can go and get it first
[04:01] <IIIEars> dcraven what are you implying? - M$ doesn't like linux? - sly grin
[04:01] <dawnfading> oops, too late
[04:01] <trm> dcraven, ok so wot now :) ? It cant be impossible to print to linux
[04:01] <snowblink> trm, #samba
[04:02] <IIIEars> i am certain you can - just using samba
[04:02] <snowblink> trm, #samba is an irc channel where people do. :)
[04:02] <Xappe> trm: what are you trying to do?
[04:02] <dataw0lf|w> who needs to know about samba?
[04:02] <trm> print from ubuntu to windows
[04:02] <trm> sounds easy doesnt it
[04:02] <linforcer> dcraven... erm is USB DirectConnect? >.>
[04:03] <Xappe> trm: ah, ok. the other way around is a lot easier
[04:03] <trm> lol yes I know but I dont have that luxury
[04:03] <dataw0lf|w> you want to be able to communicate to a printer hooked to a windows machine?
[04:03] <trm> ok let me go see the samba'ers
[04:03] <dcraven> trm: Silly question, but I assume you've made the adjustments to your cups config as mentioned here? --> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
[04:03] <meuserj|work> hey I'm not a noobie (been using Linux for 7 years, Debian/Ubuntu for 5 years) and am thinking about switching my home computer to breezy.. anyone here use it?
[04:03] <trm> yes dataw0lf
[04:04] <trm> well no actually
[04:04] <meuserj|work> err.. swich from hoary to breezy
[04:04] <dcraven> linforcer: I dunno.. It's *your* joystick ;P
[04:04] <meuserj|work> want to know how stable it is at this point
[04:04] <dataw0lf|w> trm: check it out: http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum49/713.htm
[04:04] <dcraven> linforcer: you may just need to plug it in and load the "tmdc" kernel module.. Just a guess though.
[04:04] <linforcer> dcraven I don't know what it means for a gamepad to be "direct connect"
[04:04] <dawnfading> btw, i'm just reading that most security fixes in firefox have already been "backported" to 1.02
[04:04] <dataw0lf|w> basically, you can enable TCP/IP printing in Windows.
[04:04] <IIIEars> meuser - i have seen some questions here about dependency problems - it is almost ready
[04:04] <goldfish> meuserj|work: apparantly it's more unstable then it should be.
[04:04] <b0ol>   ERROR!  libusb header not found, get it from
[04:04] <b0ol>    http://libusb.sourceforge.net
[04:04] <b0ol>    or use the --with-libusb-includes option, if you have it installed
[04:04] <b0ol>    in an unusual place
[04:04] <b0ol> help me pls
[04:04] <dawnfading> so perhaps i don't have to upgrade at all
[04:04] <b0ol> synaptic says i got it installed
[04:04] <trm> maybe this will make more sense: Sitting at Ubuntu - Terminal Service to 2003 Server - Print from 2003 server to Ubuntu
[04:04] <b0ol> what shall i do?
[04:04] <linforcer> dcraven I have no idea how one would load a kernel module >.>
[04:05] <b0ol> --with-libusb-includes doesent work
[04:05] <dcraven> linforcer: me either.. Apparently it's a Thrustmaster marketing term. Probably means not much of anything.
[04:05] <meuserj|work> goldfish, how so?
[04:05] <linforcer> dcraven xD ok
[04:05] <trm> which in essence is just printing from windows to linux... I think
[04:05] <goldfish> meuserj|work: no idea, i just heard it in here :)
[04:05] <dcraven> linforcer: modprobe tmdc
[04:05] <meuserj|work> goldfish, ah
[04:05] <dataw0lf|w> trm: ....
[04:05] <goldfish> meuserj|work: Some asked already, and they were told do not upgrade unless you really know what you are doing.
[04:05] <linforcer> dcraven it still does not respond
[04:05] <dataw0lf|w> trm: you want to print a document on the 2003 server to a printer connected to Ubuntu... ?
[04:05] <patrickf> I have another question
[04:06] <linforcer> dcraven should I re-plug it
[04:06] <trm> dataw0lf, Yes
[04:06] <patrickf> I want to mount now my harddisk
[04:06] <dataw0lf|w> trm: that's even more complex.
[04:06] <dataw0lf|w> trm: you don't have the option of just copying it to the Ubuntu machine?
[04:06] <b0ol> help me  please :<
[04:06] <dcraven> linforcer: I dunno. Is the joystick visible using "lsusb"?
[04:06] <linforcer> dcraven: well that diodnt work anyway
[04:06] <b0ol> ah sry problem is gone
[04:06] <b0ol> thnx anyway
[04:06] <linforcer> dcraven: Bus 003 Device 005: ID 044f:b307 ThrustMaster, Inc.
[04:07] <dcraven> linforcer: understand I'm just shooting from the hip here.. I don't have a joystick.
[04:07] <patrickf> I edit the file "fstab"  what is the difference between the mount types "ntfs" and "vntfs"?
[04:07] <linforcer> it just doesnt react
[04:07] <linforcer> dcraven I understand
[04:07] <trm> dataw0lf, nope its browser based
[04:07] <linforcer> dcraven: I don't think many linux users do
[04:07] <meuserj|work> goldfish, hmm.. thanks.. I think I will go ahead and do it.. I had used Hoary since like november.. so I can deal with an unstable system...
[04:07] <goldfish> meuserj|work: :)
[04:07] <patrickf> in windows I formated the harddisk with NTFS, so I think I have to write "ntfs" in the fstab file, or?
[04:07] <snowblink> patrickf, ntfs
[04:07] <dataw0lf|w> trm:  do you have administrative control over the Windows server ?
[04:08] <thoreauputic> patrickf: yes
[04:08] <patrickf> ok, thaks
[04:08] <mcdonaldswes> apt question:  I have my sources.list with all of the warty repositories.  I'd also like to add a few packages from Debian unstable, but I want apt to default to warty.  I added the unstable deb sources, 'APT::Default-Release "warty"' to /etc/apt/apt.conf, but when I do a apt-get -s dist-upgrade, it looks like it wants to upgrade to unstable packages
[04:08] <mcdonaldswes> what am I doing wrong?
[04:09] <dcraven> linforcer: do you know a more specific model? Like is it a Thrustmaster Motor Sport GT? Whatever that is...
[04:09] <thoreauputic> mcdonaldswes: http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html
[04:09] <linforcer> dcraven Thustmaster upad modena 360
[04:09] <dcraven> linforcer: does the word I-Force mean anything to you?
[04:09] <trm> yes dataw0lf
[04:09] <linforcer> dcraven no, and make that 360 modena
[04:10] <trm> dataw0lf, going to try and add services for linux printing now
[04:10] <mcdonaldswes> thoreauputic: ok I'll try that, but shouldn't APT::Default-Release "warty"; work?
[04:10] <thoreauputic> mcdonaldswes: not for a dist-upgrade, no
[04:11] <davegahan> i have a problem with GNOME hanging during bootup (again), how can I find out what is causing this ?
[04:11] <davegahan> I can login to GNOME using the failsafe session
[04:11] <mcdonaldswes> thoreauputic: ok, thanks
[04:11] <megamind> Hi again ... while i use wvdialconf /etc/wvdial.conf command it says that no modem was detected did u configure it with setserial? while i can see the modem in device manager, plz help me to set this
[04:11] <trm> BRB gotta go stick in the CD
[04:11] <thoreauputic> mcdonaldswes: if you want just a few packages you can use apt-get -t unstable or similar
[04:11] <b0ol> b0ol@sitzfurz:~$ sudo -s
[04:11] <b0ol> sudo: must be setuid root
[04:11] <b0ol> what does this mean?
[04:11] <thoreauputic> mcdonaldswes: what you are doing is risky anyway :)
[04:12] <cens0red> hey I'm getting seriously lagged here.
[04:12] <b0ol> sudo: must be setuid root
[04:13] <mcdonaldswes> thoreauputic: well, I only want to install the debian 2.4.27 kernel source (so I can compile a kernel on this machine for a different woody machine)... not actually installing real binary packages
[04:13] <b0ol> what does this mean?
[04:13] <cens0red> anyone else having that prob?
[04:13] <linforcer> dcraven: blech, no real results from google... never mind this crud
[04:13] <sig> cens0red: try another server
[04:13] <megamind> Hi again ... while i use wvdialconf /etc/wvdial.conf command it says that no modem was detected did u configure it with setserial? while i can see the modem in device manager, plz help me to set this
[04:14] <thoreauputic> mcdonaldswes: for that you can just download the source package, I guess, and use the kpackage tools for ubuntu
[04:14] <sig> megamind: are you using gnome ?
[04:14] <megamind> yes i m using gnome
[04:14] <megamind> the default environment for UBUNTU
[04:14] <sig> system > administration > networking
[04:14] <thoreauputic> mcdonaldswes: kernel-package actually I think
[04:15] <mcdonaldswes> thoreauputic: by source package, you mean the tarball off kernel.org, or the kernel-source-2.4.27.deb package?
[04:15] <prego> Can I make firestarter log in other file different from /var/log/messages?
[04:15] <sig> set it up through that
[04:15] <mcdonaldswes> thoreauputic: I figured I'd jsut get the .deb package from debian :)
[04:15] <megamind> i can not find the the system menu
[04:15] <thoreauputic> mcdonaldswes: the deb package if you want it for woody
[04:15] <megamind> i have only applciation and system menu
[04:15] <sig> megamind: are you using warty ?
[04:15] <sig> or hoary?
[04:16] <megamind> yes ... warty ...
[04:16] <sig> find "networking"
[04:16] <megamind> yes i did
[04:16] <mcdonaldswes> thoreauputic: I'll try to get the preferences file working, since that seems like the right thing to do... thanks for your help
[04:17] <thoreauputic> mcdonaldswes: I'm not sure I see the point of compiling a kernel like that for woody,, though
[04:17] <megamind> i m now in network settings ..
[04:17] <thoreauputic> mcdonaldswes: unless you have particular module needs or something
[04:17] <sig> megamind: now configure the modem
[04:17] <sig> your modem should show up in that
[04:17] <trm> dataw0lf, damn still nothing
[04:18] <prego> Am I the only one having problems to upgrade "kdelibs-data"?
[04:18] <dcraven> linforcer: yeah, I dunno if it's supported. Seems linux folks aren't big gamers generally.
[04:18] <mcdonaldswes> thoreauputic: the system I'm compiling for isn't powerful enough to compile its own kernel.  I need tmpfs on it, so I figured that as long as I'm compiling a new kernel, may as well make it the most recent debian 2.4.27.  That system will be upgraded to sarge when it's stable anyway, and since 2.4.27 is sarge's kernel, figured I'd do it now and get it over with
[04:18] <linforcer> dcraven, yeah, not many games, ey, but console/handheld emulators enough, that's what I wanna use it for. oh well
[04:19] <dcraven> linforcer: go buy a $2 gamepad.. It'll probably be supported. lol
[04:19] <linforcer> >.>
[04:19] <linforcer> dcraven, will it have 12 buttons? :P
[04:19] <thoreauputic> mcdonaldswes: why not just dist-upgrade to sarge and install the relevant kernel-image package?
[04:19] <thoreauputic> mcdonaldswes: sarge is pretty stable after all
[04:20] <dcraven> linforcer: oh my... do console/handhelds?
[04:20] <dcraven> linforcer: that is a lot of buttons.. haha
[04:20] <linforcer> dcraven, yes. in fact all 3 latest generations' gamepads do
[04:20] <linforcer> dcraven and PS1 has 10
[04:21] <mcdonaldswes> thoreauputic: I probably could, but the system is pretty limited in disk space... don't need all those modules
[04:21] <thoreauputic> mcdonaldswes: OK I see
[04:21] <CarlK> anyone have a list of packages I have to aptget to run mambo?
[04:21] <dcraven> CarlK: probably the mambo homepage is your best bet.
[04:22] <CarlK> you would think...
[04:22] <dazzed> or synaptic
[04:22] <thoreauputic> mcdonaldswes: my old P200 MMX is running happily on 2.4.18 :) with woody of course ...
[04:23] <dcraven> CarlK: php4 and mysql-server would be a good start by the looks of it.
[04:23] <spiral> how can I do to have X working under a sudo -i in ubuntu ?
[04:23] <sig> anyone know where to edit the ssh greeting text for ssh on ubuntu?
[04:24] <CarlK> dcraven - yep - and some zip and xml stuff"
[04:24] <trm> well isnt this just bloody frustrating...
[04:24] <megamind> ok now i have created the connection in warty using networking but when i choose to autodetect modem if fails while i can see the modem in device manager !
[04:24] <sig> found it
[04:24] <sig>  /etc/motd
[04:24] <spiral> sig: I was just typing it :-p
[04:25] <dcraven> CarlK: zip and unzip are in apt, I dunno what you mean my xml stuff though.
[04:26] <CarlK> dcraven - there is some php xml module that I need.
[04:26] <CarlK> dcraven - I am going tiwht plan B:
[04:27] <CarlK> install apache on a dummy box, untar mambo, hit the config page and it will tell me what is missing
[04:28] <CarlK> dcraven - for production boxes, I like to have a nice plan of what is going to be done
[04:28] <CarlK> well, more like the admin dude that need to get approval from does - can't blame him
[04:29] <dcraven> Corvus: php4-domxml might be it.
[04:29] <trm> FYI its a very simple solution to my problem.... http://192.168.0.93:631/printers/LaserJet-3
[04:29] <dcraven> CarlK: true.
[04:29] <trm> note the :631
[04:29] <trm> thanks to the guys at #samba
[04:30] <dcraven> CarlK: I see package php3-xml, but it looks like php4-domxml is the appropriate one for php4.
[04:30] <dcraven> trm: that is in the wiki that I linked you to :)
[04:31] <patrickf> Ok, now I can see my second harddisk with the midnightcommander when I'm looged in as root
[04:31] <CarlK> dcraven - thanks, ill put put that on my list of hits
[04:31] <thoreauputic> dcraven: none are so blind as those who will not see ;-)
[04:31] <patrickf> But I the x-window-system on my desktop I only can login with the user, which I have created
[04:31] <CarlK> in a min or so I can show you the config page that spells things out a bit.
[04:32] <dcraven> thoreauputic: I know... The answer was given to him an hour ago.
[04:32] <patrickf> and have no rights to go into the mounted dir
[04:32] <thoreauputic> patrickf: you should never run an X session as root
[04:32] <patrickf> How can I give the user rights to go to the mounted dir?
[04:33] <thoreauputic> patrickf: what does the fstab entry say?
[04:33] <patrickf> moment plaese
[04:33] <thoreauputic> patrickf: that's where the problem will lie
[04:34] <patrickf> I look with cat /etc/fstab
[04:34] <megamind> now i have created the connection in warty using networking but when i choose to autodetect modem if fails while i can see the modem in device manager !
[04:34] <patrickf> there I can see my harddisk
[04:34] <thoreauputic> patrickf: show us the line for the volume you want to mount
[04:36] <patrickf> /dev/hdb1     /root/daten      ntfs    default, errors=remount-ro   0   0
[04:36] <Leeon> Hi. Where can I edit the resolutions and refreshrates? (Having trouble starting X)
[04:36] <tremor_> most likely, using the options "users,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=000" instead of "defaults" will do the trick
[04:37] <petemc> odd umask
[04:37] <gunny> can anyone tell me what I need to install to compile kde apps? I can't seem to pick the right qt-lib package in synaptic
[04:37] <gunny> er kde themes that is
[04:37] <patrickf> Ahhh, I think that I have to mount the hdb1 not in the root dir? or?
[04:37] <tremor_> patrickf: yes, that to
[04:37] <thoreauputic> patrickf: try    ntfs    noauto,users,exec,ro,uid=1000,gid=1000
[04:38] <patrickf> what does that mean?
[04:38] <gunny> Leeon: /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:38] <tremor_> patrickf: mkdir /yourhd && chown -R your username:your username /yourhd
[04:38] <raydogg> is there a way to get a list of all installed packages?
[04:38] <tbasten> anyone know how to setup dual monitor?
[04:38] <Leeon> gunny: thanks
[04:38] <thoreauputic> patrickf: that would allow users to mount and unmount, and the mount belongs to you if your user id is 1000
[04:39] <tbasten> anyone know how to setup dual monitor?
[04:39] <Cred> Hello. Any idea what to do when Firefox is saying profile is in use. I have no Firefox process running.
[04:39] <goldfish> yeah i get that sometimes, silly firefox
[04:40] <tremor_> petemc: the umask is for the permissions that are _not_ present, meaning 000 results in 777
[04:40] <thoreauputic> Cred: try killall firefox in a terminal
[04:40] <Cred> There's probably some setting in the profile that tells it's in use..
[04:40] <petemc> tremor_: you dont need to tell me what a umask is, especially considering you're wrong
[04:40] <Cred> thoreauputic, no processes
[04:40] <Leeon> gunny: can't find the refreshrates in there...
[04:41] <thoreauputic> Cred: heh - firefox is confused ;)
[04:41] <gunny> leeon: you need to add them
[04:41] <Leeon> how should it look?
[04:41] <Cred> thoreauputic, so it seems :) I bet it has something do to with it crashing last night, me killing the process and then selecting "save current setup"
[04:42] <thoreauputic> Cred: ah, sounds logical
[04:42] <gunny> leeon: read this http://www.ubuntuforums.org/journal.php?do=showjournal&j=6
[04:42] <Cred> Ff froze last night (surprisingly) while trying to open flash animation. Yes, I do have flashbock or something like that but I wanted to see that flash..
[04:43] <tbasten> anyone know how to setup dual monitor?
[04:43] <thoreauputic> Cred: that's a plugin issue, not  firefox itself, of course
[04:43] <Cred> thoreauputic, yes I know. Happens on that monopoly OS too ;)
[04:43] <Cred> With Ff
[04:44] <Cred> But very rarely.
[04:44] <tremor_> petemc: you don't have to believe me, but try the manual and you'll see (a copy paste for your convenience: "Set  the  umask  (the  bitmask  of  the permissions that are not present).")
[04:44] <thoreauputic> Cred: :)    have you tried starting with a different profile, quitting and trying the default again?
[04:44] <fragspaz> my printer always is paused, and whenevr i unpasu it, it pauses again
[04:44] <fragspaz> *pause
[04:45] <Cred> thoreauputic, nope. I fixed it. .mozilla/firefox/default.33 (which is my profile) had a file called "lock" in it. Removing it helped.
[04:45] <tbasten> Anyone know what BusID means in the xorg.conf file?
[04:45] <fragspaz> im using an hp5652
[04:45] <thoreauputic> Cred: aha! :)
[04:45] <fragspaz> hello?
[04:45] <petemc> tremor_: umask cant make files executable, its not possible - contrary to what you said
[04:46] <fragspaz> ??
[04:46] <Leeon> gunny: I need to have a login name and password. Can't you just show it to me?
[04:46] <Leeon> Lynx is a pain :(
[04:46] <petemc> tremor_: really, if you want to help someone, make sure you fully understand the subject matter yourself
[04:46] <thoreauputic> fragspaz: not much info to go on in that description
[04:46] <fragspaz> what else do you need?
[04:46] <fragspaz> it comes up as 'paused'
[04:46] <fragspaz> i un pause it, it pauses again
[04:46] <tbasten> hello?
[04:46] <tbasten> anyone?
[04:46] <Aladdin> hi guys :)
[04:47] <fragspaz> it wasnt printing this morning, it started 6 hours later, it stopped now
[04:47] <tremor_> petemc: where did i say it makes the files executable, i just said the line i pasted makes ntfs file systems accessible for users
[04:47] <petemc> tremor_: well, it doesnt
[04:47] <Aladdin> I got a problem with Synaptic. Anybody got a minute?
[04:47] <gunny> don't want to flood the channel, you have an IM  you like to use? Leeon?
[04:48] <thoreauputic> fragspaz:  /var/log/cups/error_log might tell you something
[04:48] <petemc> tremor_: umask is subtractive, it can take away permissions, whats the point or purpose of subtracting 0?
[04:48] <Leeon> gunny: I solved it.
[04:48] <Leeon> Thanks a lot anyways.
[04:48] <gunny> okdoke
[04:48] <fragspaz> mmk
[04:48] <gub> hi
[04:48] <petemc> tremor_: now, umask=022 is sensible for ntfs
[04:48] <tremor_> the point is to make sure the default value isn't something else
[04:49] <dcraven> Aladdin: Just ask the question, if anyone knows the answer, they will tell you.
[04:49] <Aladdin> dcraven, ok.
[04:49] <petemc> tremor_: how does subtracting 0 from the default file creation mask achieve /anything/?
[04:49] <gub> I can't manage to get composite shadows working with ati drivers ....
[04:50] <MacIver> it gets rid of all the zeros
[04:50] <nix000> how do you get kernel 2.4 in ubuntu ?
[04:50] <nix000> warty i should say
[04:50] <MacIver> allowing for better compression
[04:50] <snader> gub: have you edited your xorg.conf to load Composite, and do you run xcompmgr?
[04:50] <tremor_> really, i don't care as long as it works, and it does work for me, worst case scenario is that the mask does nothing
[04:50] <fragspaz> E [28/Apr/2005:22:47:36 +0800]  [Job 5]  Unable to open USB device "usb://5652?serial=MY3723K39889": No such device
[04:50] <fragspaz> E [28/Apr/2005:22:47:38 +0800]  PID 10050 stopped with status 9!
[04:50] <thoreauputic> petemc: as far as I can see, umask isn't needed to have a mountable ro ntfs partition anyway
[04:50] <petemc> thoreauputic: it is
[04:50] <fragspaz> thoreauputic, thats really weird, seeing as it was workng before
[04:51] <petemc> thoreauputic: well, its one way to do, a standard way
[04:51] <gub> snader: yes but xcompmgr doesn't work : No damage extension
[04:51] <FlyingSquirrell3> I need help connecting evolution to exchange
[04:51] <thoreauputic> petemc: well, mine hasn't and it's fine - YMMV ;-)
[04:51] <snader> gub: you use hoary?
[04:51] <gub> snader: ya
[04:51] <ringmauer> How to search for files and/or folders in ubuntu (ctrl+f doesnt work)
[04:52] <petemc> thoreauputic: you've set the permissions some other way, specifying your uid and gid most likely - that works too
[04:52] <barto-kun> places > search for files
[04:52] <Aladdin> Symaptic gives me an error saying that a repositorie can't be reached and to check my network configs in the preferences... I use Hoary (upgraded from Warty) and never had this problem before a couple of days ago.  I did flush many .deb files in the cache and maybe accidently deleted something else in the repertory.  Otherwise than that I can't figure out what's wrong.  Issue is I can't either install or uninstall anything with
[04:52] <Aladdin> Synaptic anymore.  :o(
[04:52] <thoreauputic> fragspaz: try unplugging it and replugging it and see if it wakes up ;-)
[04:52] <snader> hum, strange
[04:52] <dcraven> nix000: you might have to compile one manually.. I don't see an image in synaptic.
[04:52] <fragspaz> will doo!
[04:52] <bur[n] er> ringmauer: look in the "places" menu
[04:52] <thoreauputic> petemc: correct
[04:52] <snader> damage extension should be loaded automagically
[04:52] <ringmauer> bur[n] er. It isnt there
[04:53] <snader> gub: does your /var/log/Xorg.0.log have any (EE) lines?
[04:53] <dcraven> Aladdin: are you sure the repos in your /etc/apt/sources.list file are correct?
[04:53] <transgress> okay i did a fresh install of ubuntu last night, and my damn sound doesn't work
[04:54] <MuStR> alsa.
[04:54] <transgress> it's an SBLive card that works well...ubuntu loads the modules for it
[04:54] <Aladdin> dcraven, I just re-edited the file using a backup and the instructions on the Unofficial starter web page.
[04:54] <fragspaz> yay thoreau its printing!!!
[04:54] <fragspaz> thxthxthx
[04:54] <nix000> dcraven, darn ! there is always a glitch with this ....
[04:54] <MuStR> transgress: do you have alsa installed?
[04:54] <gub> snader: none but warnings : DRI initialization failed! ...
[04:54] <dcraven> nix000: well it's kind of an old kernel :)
[04:54] <gunny> transgress: gnome or kde?
[04:54] <thoreauputic> fragspaz: sounds like hotplug got confused somehow :)
[04:55] <transgress> gunny gnome
[04:55] <fragspaz> :)
[04:55] <gub> only when composite is enabled
[04:55] <transgress> must alsa-baste and alsa-utils are installed
[04:55] <snader> gub: hm, i don't know if that has to do with it
[04:55] <dcraven> Aladdin: can you paste the contents of your sources.list into pastebin.com please?
[04:55] <nix000> dcraven, but it is still maitined ... it is only old when 2.8 is out the door.
[04:55] <ringmauer> How to search for files and/or folders in ubuntu (ctrl+f doesnt work)     ANYONE!!!!
[04:55] <thoreauputic> fragspaz: logs can be useful...
[04:55] <transgress> at MuStR that is... and is says it starts them at the beginng
[04:55] <snader> gub: does it say "(II) Initializing built-in extension DAMAGE" ?
[04:55] <gunny> transgress ok open the mixer and make sure none of the outpus are muted or turned all the way down
[04:55] <dcraven> nix000: I suppose. I do find it weird that there is *no* option for it in the repos.
[04:55] <Aladdin> dcraven,  k will do rightaway
[04:56] <transgress> gunny: done that
[04:56] <gub> snader: ya : Extension "DAMAGE" is enabled ... Initializing built-in extension DAMAGE
[04:56] <snader> funny
[04:56] <snader> :S
[04:56] <nix000> dcraven, the prospect of maintaining the kernel myself does not entice me at all !
[04:56] <gunny> ok 1 sec I'm in kde right now let me go to gnome and look at something
[04:56] <gunny> brb
[04:56] <transgress> gunny: another thing though speaking of alsa... when i go to Multimedia Selector and do a test running my sound, it can't use ALSA or OSS
[04:56] <transgress> tosses me an error
[04:56] <dcraven> Aladdin: are you on that machine right now? Basically I'm asking if your connection to the web is working properly.
[04:56] <MuStR> .....
[04:56] <MuStR> wow
[04:57] <transgress> ?
[04:57] <MuStR> I have no clue about that
[04:57] <gub> Damage is loaded but no loaded ...........
[04:57] <dcraven> nix000: It's not as hard as it seems once you get it working the first time ;)
[04:57] <MuStR> :x
[04:57] <shinu> is there a command to check my cpu speed?
[04:57] <snader> gub: yeah, i don't get that ... don't have any more idea's, sorry
[04:58] <MuStR> transgress: install alsa-oss
[04:58] <transgress> yeah i really wanna get this working right... because i've grown to love ubuntu
[04:58] <transgress> MuStR: i don't see that in the repo's... do i need to activate universe?
[04:58] <dcraven> shinu: cat /proc/cpuinfo
[04:58] <thoreauputic> shinu: cat /proc/cpuinfo
[04:58] <Anubis> is there a way to make nautilus remember my column sizes?
[04:58] <dcraven> !!
[04:58] <MuStR> probably.
[04:58] <thoreauputic> dcraven: :)
[04:59] <gub> snader:  thank you nevertheless
[04:59] <transgress> wb gunny
[04:59] <Aladdin> dcraven, yes I am and I pasted the file content (poster: Aladdin)
[04:59] <transgress> you missed my last message to you heh
[04:59] <gunny> transgress: last time i had the problem you describe, I was using KDE exclusively and in Kmix, you just disable the external amplifier switch
[04:59] <transgress> gunny: another thing though speaking of alsa... when i go to Multimedia Selector and do a test running my sound, it can't use ALSA or OSS
[04:59] <gunny> can't seem to see how that works in gnome
[05:00] <ringmauer> How to search for files and/or folders in ubuntu (ctrl+f doesnt work)     PLEASE!!!!
[05:00] <shinu> dcraven, thoreauputic thanks :D
[05:00] <thoreauputic> shinu: no worries :)
[05:00] <transgress> it's loading modules for my other sound card (onboard crap) too and i'm wondering if that could be causing problems
[05:00] <gunny> very well could be transgress
[05:00] <dcraven> Aladdin: it appears as though *all* of those repositories are commented out (line begins with #). That means in effect, you have no repos in that file. Remove the # from the ones you actually want to use.
[05:00] <tbasten> Anyone know much about the xorg.conf file?
[05:01] <MuStR> try getting alsa-oss....
[05:01] <dcraven> Aladdin: then do an "apt-get update".
[05:01] <thoreauputic> ringmauer: search for files is in the menu
[05:02] <tbasten> Anyone know much about the xorg.conf file?
[05:02] <thoreauputic> ringmauer: you can also use the "find" command or the "locate" command
[05:02] <dcraven> tbasten: yes
[05:02] <dcraven> tbasten: yes
[05:02] <Aladdin> dcraven, OK I'll do but I commented them out for debug (finding out wich one was causing the problem) and ended up commenting all of them out. That's why I'm here.  I'll de-comment them all now...
[05:02] <tbasten> dcraven, i, what is BusID in the section "device" part
[05:03] <dcraven> Aladdin: well not all of them.. You have both Warty and Hoary repos in there. I assume you just want the hoary ones.
[05:03] <transgress> grar... okay how can i stop the stupid modules for my external sound from loading?
[05:04] <kkathman> Hello all :)
[05:04] <dcraven> tbasten: it's a lot to type.. Run the command "man xorg.conf" and search for "BusID". It is explained in there better than I could explain it.
[05:04] <thoreauputic> transgress: put them in /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[05:04] <dcraven> tbasten: Please don't take that response as a "RTFM" type response :)
[05:05] <dazzed_> lol dcraven...
[05:05] <nix000> is there something called udev inwarty ?
[05:05] <dazzed_> just brushin people off
[05:05] <dcraven> dazzed_: heh.. I know...
[05:05] <kkathman> yah I know dcraven better than that :)
[05:05] <dazzed> heh im kiddin with him
[05:06] <kkathman> I know :)
[05:06] <dazzed> you know windows released previews of longhorn yesterday or something like that
[05:06] <Aladdin> dcraven, oh yep... true. I am commenting out warty depots now.
[05:06] <dcraven> tbasten: it's on line 574 in that man page if that helps.
[05:06] <transgress> okay added the ac97 module and the 8x0 module
[05:06] <transgress> that should take care of the non SBLive card
[05:06] <transgress> but i can't get sound from either so i'm somewhat worried with that
[05:06] <kkathman> dazzed: oh yeah??  Another operating system that is huge and unresponsive?
[05:07] <dazzed> kkathman: yeah...i want to get it to test it out...see if they made any improvements...doubtable
[05:07] <thoreauputic> transgress: modprobe the modules for your other card: if that works, put them in /etc/modules
[05:07] <tbasten> dcraven, er, how do i bring man page for it
[05:07] <transgress> thoreauputic: modules for my other card are loaded
[05:07] <dazzed> tbasten: "man w/e"
[05:07] <kkathman> dazzed: Microsoft really doesnt have any motivation for improvement as such...then are too busy expanding into other realms
[05:07] <thoreauputic> transgress: ah, I see
[05:07] <transgress> snd                    50276  12 snd_emu10k1,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_device,snd_hwdep,snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer
[05:08] <dcraven> tbasten: in a terminal, type "man xorg.conf". That will show you the man (manual) page.
[05:08] <dazzed> kkathman: true ...
[05:08] <tbasten> ta
[05:08] <Aladdin> dcraven, I commented out warty packages and (for safety) debian-marrilat... Problem remains :o(
[05:08] <kkathman> good to see someone here talking about sound...I have weird things going on with mine
[05:08] <dcraven> tbasten: If you are interested, most Linux commands have a man page if you need to know more about them. Type "man man" for more info on man pages.
[05:08] <thoreauputic> transgress: you need to rmmod those snd_intel8x0 etc
[05:09] <dcraven> Aladdin: can you paste the updated version in pastebin.com?
[05:09] <transgress> thoreauputic: that's why i was blacklisting them, because i can't just rmmod them... they are being used
[05:09] <Aladdin> dcraven, k
[05:09] <transgress> ima try a reboot now and see what happens when they don't load
[05:09] <dazzed> dcraven: lol man man....a man about mans
[05:09] <thoreauputic> transgress: hmm... yeah a reboot might fix that
[05:09] <dcraven> dazzed: well they helped me a lot when I was new.. Still do.
[05:10] <dazzed> dcraven: i love man pages...i read em everytime i get new app...i just like the command 'man man' :)
[05:10] <dcraven> Aladdin: also, please paste the output of "apt-get update" in there too.
[05:10] <kkathman> When I move things around on my screen, or move sliders up and down, my sound makes a kind of buzzing sound..very odd
[05:10] <shinu> er... just a hardware question if anyone can answer.... if it a wise thing to let your desktop computer open... i meant the box wide open...
[05:10] <kkathman> more like a low hum
[05:10] <dcraven> dazzed: hehe.. Yeah. I thought that was weird too when someone told me about it.
[05:11] <Choubaka> "man pages" sounds a bit weird.
[05:11] <thoreauputic> shinu: do you have pets or small children ? Do you value your life?
[05:11] <dcraven> shinu: In general, it is fine.
[05:11] <shinu> thoreauputic: nope... i do value my life though...
[05:12] <thoreauputic> shinu: :)
[05:12] <shinu> dcraven: cause my friends graphic card just burned... just after i burned a cd .... 0.o
[05:12] <Aladdin> dcraven, did (poster Aladdin2)
[05:13] <transgress> rock hard.  killing those got me sound
[05:13] <transgress> now for the video
[05:15] <CoreDump|home> shinu: a propperly ventilated case will help with buring G cards :)
[05:15] <shinu> CoreDump|home: g cards? not into graphics card too much... especially the latest stuff. :D
 dcraven: cause my friends graphic card just burned... just after i burned a cd .... 0.o
[05:15] <CoreDump|home> ;)
[05:16] <cyphase> can someone tell me how to share a printer with windows machines?
[05:16] <dcraven> Aladdin: okay, run this command "sudo mkdir /var/cache/apt/archives/partial" followed by "sudo chmod 755 /var/cache/apt/archives/partial".
[05:16] <thoreauputic> cyphase: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/NetworkPrintingFromWin2000
[05:16] <shinu> CoreDump|home: oh... xD thought you meant a G card as in the name of the card :P kind of not very concentrated cause installing ubuntu on another comp :D
[05:16] <dcraven> Aladdin: it appears the "partial" directory was deleted, and apt got mad.
[05:17] <transgress> you know... if i can get my radeon working in ubuntu i'll be all kinds of happy
[05:17] <sig> transgress: what model?
[05:17] <cyphase> thanx thoreauputic
[05:17] <kkathman> transgress: was that you working through sound issues?
[05:18] <tbasten> anyone figured out how to setup a dual monitor setup in ubuntu
[05:18] <CoreDump|home> shinu: heh, as a matter of fact, I'm buring the install disk right now.
[05:18] <dcraven> Aladdin: those commands will create the directory that apt is complaining about, and give it the same permissions as mine. Mine is empty, so that by itself might just solve your problem.
[05:18] <Aladdin> dcraven, k i'll check now see if all's ok
[05:18] <thoreauputic> cyphase: no problem - actually dcraven put me on to that URL so thank him :)
[05:18] <shinu> hehe
[05:18] <FlyingSquirrell3> whats a good program for listening to a wav?
[05:19] <Aladdin> dcraven,  all is OK thx alot friend!
[05:19] <herrie-aan> hello erverybody do somebody know to install a src with ubuntu??
[05:19] <thoreauputic> FlyingSquirrell3: just about any - rhythmbox, xmms, muine, ....
[05:19] <Aladdin> dcraven,  and have a good day :o)
[05:19] <Sauron21> does anone know of a DVDShrink like program in linux??
[05:19] <dcraven> Aladdin: anytime, be careful about what you delete as root in the future :)
[05:19] <tbasten> Sauron21, dvdrip?
[05:19] <shinu> is it normal that the livecd dumps me into a command line after all configuration?
[05:19] <kjoonlee> Hi, has ubuntu-calendar been orphaned?
[05:19] <shinu> does it happen if it detects the computer is too slow? :)
[05:19] <kjoonlee> I see no updates since March.
[05:19] <thoreauputic> shinu: no
[05:20] <shinu> uh...
[05:20] <IIIEars>  on the live CD the desktop was extended off screen to the left and right for items dragged there how do i enable/disable that?
[05:20] <thoreauputic> shinu: it could be your vid card isn't supported
[05:20] <Sauron21> I have a DVD-9 iso.....and I wanted to resize it to DVD-5.....is dvdrip the program for that?
[05:20] <kjoonlee> Sauron21: http://www.theora.org/
[05:20] <shinu> alright...
[05:20] <FlyingSquirrell3> thoreauputic: here at the office I get my voicemails in my e-mail. How can I set ubuntu so it automaticlly plays the wav when I d. click it?
[05:20] <shinu> thx
[05:21] <thoreauputic> shinu: you can try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[05:21] <jupiterste> Greetings, is there a way to tell what is causing my computer to stop responding, after using the desktop for a while it will stop responding, and if I leave the computer on over night and come back, it's very sluggish and eventually just freezes
[05:21] <thoreauputic> FlyingSquirrell3: make an launcher, put the command aplay /path/to/wav/file
[05:21] <shinu> thoreauputic: that comp doesnt have the net yet :D maybe some other time then :D
[05:21] <Sauron21> kjoonlee: What is Theora?
[05:22] <kkathman> jupiterste: does the keyboard like blink and everything freezes?  If so, check for a kernel panic msg
[05:22] <shinu> thoreauputic: anyway i just wanted to have a kind of... "server" box on it... so command line should be fine.. i guess
[05:22] <kjoonlee> Sauron21: I thought you wanted to back up DVDs to disk and compress them. Theora is like MPEG-4, but free.
[05:22] <thoreauputic> shinu: you don't need the net to run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[05:22] <FlyingSquirrell3> thoreauputic: I guess that works, but I'd rather be able to double click the attachment and just have it play.
[05:23] <shinu> thoreauputic: alright thanks then :D
[05:23] <jupiterste> kkathman: yes everything just stops basically, and then an app may do a little of something then the whole thing freezes up.  Ctrl-Alt-Backspace just causes a bunch of blank windows, it never goes to the command line successfully, how do I check for a kernel panic msg?
[05:23] <herrie-aan> somebody know how to install a tgz?????:$:$ with linux ubuntu?
[05:23] <transgress> brb gonna restart X now
[05:23] <thoreauputic> FlyingSquirrell3: clicking atachments isn't supported in linux for good security reasons
[05:23] <patrickf> How can I give a user all rights to a dir named "Privat"?
[05:24] <karl> no, clicking attachments aren't supported
[05:24] <karl> because SOMEONE thought they should babysit me.
[05:24] <herrie-aan> hello can somebody help my ..how to install a tgz?
[05:24] <dcraven> FlyingSquirrell3: clicking attachments is how worms spread.
[05:24] <IIIEars> "" - herrie-aan
[05:24] <dcraven> FlyingSquirrell3: therefore it's not implemented for the most part.
[05:25] <CoreDump|home> patrickf: chown $USER Privat
[05:25] <karl> I INTENSELY dislike not being allowed to open a pdf link for a few seconds until the stupid OK button has stopped being greyd out.
[05:25] <dataw0lf|w> preaching to the choir, karl, preaching to the choir.
[05:25] <FlyingSquirrell3> thoreauputic: True. got this error when I ran aplay: libmikmod.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[05:25] <kkathman> jupiterste: hmmm sounds like a run away app or something... you might try going to a terminal (shell) and type "top" and watch the output..see if something is gradually increasing its hold... something sounds like it is
[05:25] <dcraven> FlyingSquirrell3: maybe install libmikmod?
[05:25] <karl> attempting to stop worms by trying to enforce some halfbaked idea of social enginneering is NOT going to work in the long run.
[05:26] <patrickf> should I log in with the username (that I  want to give the rights) and than the command  "chown $USER Privat" ?
[05:26] <shinu> thoreauputic: it says *a long path*: xserver-xorg is not fully installed...
[05:26] <dataw0lf|w> jupiterste: also run 'vmstat 1 3'
[05:26] <karl> even firefox gave up on the torture the user premise
[05:26] <jupiterste> kkathman: when it starts to become slow, there's no way to get to a terminal
[05:26] <karl> it lets you run .exes from the download window now.
[05:26] <patrickf> or log in as root
[05:26] <thoreauputic> FlyingSquirrell3: apt-get install libmikmod2
[05:26] <FlyingSquirrell3> dcraven: sorry, dumb question.
[05:26] <dataw0lf|w> jupiterste: what about VTs?
[05:26] <dcraven> FlyingSquirrell3: if you hover your mouse cursor over the wav file it will play without clicking... It's called a "preview".
[05:26] <jupiterste> dataw0lf|w: ok
[05:26] <jupiterste> VTs?
[05:26] <dataw0lf|w> ctrl-alt-F1,2,3, etc
[05:27] <dcraven> FlyingSquirrell3: I'm talking about nautilus when I refer to the preview thing.
[05:27] <kkathman> jupiterste: thats why you open it up before it happens, "top" continually monitors the processes and will give you continual info
[05:27] <dataw0lf|w> try switching to a VT when it does that.
[05:27] <dcraven> FlyingSquirrell3: no apologies necessary.. heh
[05:27] <FlyingSquirrell3> dcraven:No, this is the error I meant to post: aplay: test_wavefile:686: can't play not PCM-coded WAVE-files
[05:27] <thoreauputic> shinu: if it's an old box it might need to use a vesa driver or similar
[05:27] <dataw0lf|w> kkathman: that'll probably just cause more problems by accessing the proc directory whilst it's freezing.
[05:27] <FlyingSquirrell3> dcraven: I knew I wasn't crazy. ;)
[05:27] <jupiterste> OK I will try these, it's strange because this is the only PC out of 3 running ubuntu that freezes like this, it's very depressing
[05:28] <dcraven> FlyingSquirrell3: I don't know what that means.. Can nautilus play it?
[05:28] <xxxboy> help
[05:28] <kkathman> dataw0lf|w: well I thought maybe he'd get a vision of something "taking over" and at least be able to rule it out
[05:28] <thoreauputic> dcraven: he might need to install sox
[05:28] <shinu> thoreauputic: and how should i solve that problem? or is there a faq for that?
[05:28] <I_need_help> anyone
[05:29] <jupiterste> dataw0lf|w: I did vmstat 1 3 and now have stuff of swap it seems
[05:29] <shinu> thoreauputic: its a very old comp. perntium mmx 200mhz :D
[05:29] <dataw0lf|w> I_need_help: with what.
[05:29] <dataw0lf|w> jupiterste: priv me the output please.
[05:29] <I_need_help> with install
[05:29] <I_need_help> man
[05:29] <thoreauputic> shinu: hmm - on the live CD I don't know - knoppix has cheat codes...
[05:29] <dataw0lf|w> I_need_help: With what exactly?
[05:29] <I_need_help> when i put cd
[05:29] <FlyingSquirrell3> I see the quote-box-like icon, but no sound. Let me leave myself a vm to be sure they left a msg.
[05:29] <I_need_help> on
[05:29] <I_need_help> can we speek on private
[05:29] <I_need_help> ?
[05:29] <dataw0lf|w> priv me.
[05:29] <thoreauputic> shinu: I have a P200 mmx and ubuntu live won't run on it either
[05:29] <dcraven> I_need_help: putting a sentance on one line helps the whole process too.
[05:30] <hasibasi> Hello how can i see a FAT32 partition in ubuntu? ( n00b needs help )
[05:30] <dataw0lf|w> dcraven: leniency with newbies is expected.
[05:30] <dcraven> dataw0lf|w: True. But there is little technical about that suggestion.
[05:31] <dcraven> dataw0lf|w: My apologies nonetheless.
[05:31] <shinu> thoreauputic: so i guess i wouldnt get the normal sys to work right? :/
[05:31] <thoreauputic> dataw0lf|w: suggesting the use of punctuation and sentences seems reasonable...
[05:31] <thoreauputic> shinu: is it worth it? That box needs something like Damn Small Linux
[05:32] <thoreauputic> shinu: that should run fine
[05:32] <hasibasi> anyone can help this n00b accessing his FAT32 partition ?
[05:32] <dataw0lf|w> thoreauputic: Sure, but he needs help, how about we 1) answer his questions 2) then correct his grammar.  ?
[05:32] <thoreauputic> dataw0lf|w: point taken :)
[05:32] <dcraven> hasibasi: Do you know what device the FAT32 partition is? "sudo fdisk -l" should help with that.
[05:32] <gunny> weird problem that I hope can be fixed, since installing gtk-qt, all of my gnome apps, have the behavior of making every other line in a list have a blue background. UUUUUGLY!!! any way to fix this?
[05:33] <shinu> thoreauputic: do you think ubuntu on that old comp is not worth the hassle??
[05:33] <dataw0lf|w> shinu: Ubuntu, while a good Linux distro, is modern.
[05:33] <thoreauputic> shinu: that would be my asessment, yes. I run Debian Woody on mine
[05:33] <dataw0lf|w> Gnome 2.8 does use quite a bit of resources.
[05:33] <dataw0lf|w> I'd suggest Debian, like thoreauputic said.
[05:33] <thoreauputic> shinu: and fluxbox
[05:33] <shinu> thoreauputic: on yours...? p200 mmx?
[05:34] <shinu> thoreauputic: i prefer xfce :)
[05:34] <dataw0lf|w> xfce4 now has gnome integration, making it a tad bit slower, shinu.
[05:34] <thoreauputic> shinu: whatever - though xfce is a bit more demanding than flux
[05:34] <hasibasi> DCRAVEN : it is HDA6
[05:34] <dataw0lf|w> what's wrong with the CLI, anyways?
[05:34] <rottis> is it possible to get fuxbox ,kde etc to ubuntu? :)
[05:34] <thoreauputic> shinu: there are others - icewm is very light
[05:34] <rottis> fluxbox*
[05:34] <shinu> thoreauputic: uh... didnt know that.
[05:35] <Taggz> So... salutaions all, can i ask my noob questions about how to use ubuntu here or is there a better channel?
[05:35] <hasibasi> DCRAVEN : when i acces it , it says COULDNT DISPLAY /dev/hda6
[05:35] <rottis> whats the prob?
[05:35] <gunny> taggs: you're in the right place
[05:35] <Taggz> Awsome
[05:35] <dataw0lf|w> shinu: evilwm
[05:35] <dcraven> hasibasi: access it how?
[05:36] <hasibasi> i want to view / copy files to it
[05:36] <thoreauputic> shinu: http://xwinman.org/
[05:36] <patrickf> I tried to give all rights for the directory "Privat" to the user "Patrick" with the command: chown -R patrick:users /Privat
[05:36] <dcraven> hasibasi: you need to mount the drive first. Make a mount point like this "sudo mkdir /mnt/mywindrive".
[05:36] <patrickf> But I get only the right to read
[05:36] <patrickf> Why?
[05:37] <dataw0lf|w> what's the permissions on the directory?
[05:37] <dataw0lf|w> patrickf
[05:37] <dcraven> hasibasi: then mount it there like this "sudo mount -t vfat /dev/hda6 /mnt/mywindrive".
[05:37] <dataw0lf|w> you might have it as 4## something.
[05:37] <dcraven> hasibasi: then you should be able to see it by doing "ls /mnt/mywindrive".
[05:37] <patrickf> where I can look for the perm.?
[05:37] <shinu> thoreauputic: i have the debian sarge net install cd...
[05:37] <nix000> darn ... even apache 1 is not in warty looks like ?
[05:37] <aimaz> aclocal, autoheader, autoconf. Are they all in autotools?
[05:37] <thoreauputic> patrickf:  ls -ld  /path/to/Privat
[05:37] <dataw0lf|w> ls -l <directory>
[05:38] <hasibasi> ok thank you very very much DCRAVEN
[05:38] <Taggz> Ok, so i'm on the nvidia website going to download drivers for this ubuntu install... its asking me do i want the drivers to be linux IA32, Linux AMD64/EMT64, or Linux IA64. How do I tell what i need?
[05:38] <thoreauputic> shinu: sarge should be fine, but do a basic install and add stuff with apt
[05:38] <dataw0lf|w> what's your CPU, Taggz ?
[05:38] <gunny> taggz: there is a nvidia package for ubuntu
[05:38] <nix000> Taggz, what do you have ?
[05:38] <Sauron21> could anyone tell me what this "libc6" is???
[05:38] <Taggz> Duel AMD's
[05:38] <shinu> thoreauputic: cool thanks
[05:38] <dataw0lf|w> Taggz: x86 or 64?
[05:38] <Taggz> Urgh, no idea...
[05:39] <dcraven> hasibasi: no problem. You can add an entry in your /etc/fstab file to make it mount each time you boot automatically if you would like.
[05:39] <maswan> if they are dual and bought the last year, it woudl be amd64s
[05:39] <thoreauputic> shinu: avoid tasksel etc, and just install without X, then add x-window-system-core and go from there
[05:39] <Taggz> bout 3 years back.. is there some kind of device manager that would let me check?
[05:39] <dcraven> I'm outta here.. Cheers all.
[05:39] <nix000> how does one install apache1 in warty ?
[05:39] <shinu> thoreauputic: whats tasksel?
[05:39] <b0urn3> does anyone have a recomendation for a bittorrent client under ubuntu?
[05:40] <goldfish> b0urn3: azureus is good.
[05:40] <hasibasi> dcraven : how do i do that? :D
[05:40] <thoreauputic> shinu: Damn Small Linux would be less hassle, frankly
[05:40] <gunny> the gnome bt client works very well
[05:40] <b0urn3> goldfish:  trying to avoid java...old timey computer
[05:40] <goldfish> ah right
[05:40] <soulfury> anyone ever installed openldap on ubuntu?  i just compiled and installed the berkeleydb libs from sleepycat.com but my openldap configure script cant find db.h cause i dont have it.  is there something else i need to install?  apt-get search berkeleydb just returns the bdblibsforperl package...im using the ubuntuguide.org recommended repositories
[05:40] <dataw0lf|w> I'm going to need a couple testers for a new feature of ubuntuforums.org this weekend.  Is anyone up to it?
[05:40] <thoreauputic> shinu: tasksel is where the installer asks if you want a desktop etc or a server blah blah
[05:40] <goldfish> there is a good command line torrent thing
[05:40] <goldfish> ctorrent or something
[05:40] <gunny> I can help datawolf
[05:41] <dataw0lf|w> gunny: alright priv me, and anyone else who wants to test it this weekend.  I'll give details in priv.
[05:41] <goldfish> b0urn3: or gnome torrent as gunny suggests
[05:41] <b0urn3> there's a client built in, but for some reason it doesnt work...i dont know if i need to config it first or...
[05:41] <shinu> thoreauputic: alright
[05:41] <patrickf> the command "ls -ld  /Privat" gives that output:   dr-x------  1 patrick patrick 4096 ...
[05:41] <patrickf> And now?
[05:41] <goldfish> b0urn3: oh right.... em...
[05:42] <dataw0lf|w> patricf: you don't have write privileges
[05:42] <thoreauputic> shinu: doing a minimal sarge install requires a certain familiarity with apt
[05:42] <dataw0lf|w> patrickf: chmod 700 <directory>
[05:42] <shinu> thoreauputic: but with DSL i would have to kinda get used to it, and the commands...
[05:42] <prego> Anyone using ATI card around here? I would appreciate some help about accelerated drivers.
[05:42] <shinu> thoreauputic: i hardly can use ubuntu...
[05:42] <hasibasi> I_NEED_HELP : i have mounted a fat32 partition how can i open it AND write files to it OR download to it ?
[05:43] <thoreauputic> shinu: Debian is a better choice if you want to learn
[05:43] <patrickf> should I be logged in as root and tip the cmd:  chmod 700 /Privat  ?
[05:43] <nix000> where can i see the list of packages included in ubuntu ala debian.org search pkg pages ?
[05:43] <selinium> Hi all, is it possible to set permission on a folder that cascades down through the sub folders?
[05:43] <transgress> okay i have the fglrx driver set up, but loading DRI fails so i don't get 3daccel
[05:43] <thoreauputic> shinu: DSL is kind of a quick fix
[05:43] <transgress> anyone know of an easy way to fix that?
[05:43] <prego> hasibasi, add users in options in fstab
[05:43] <transgress> w/o recompiling my kernel
[05:43] <shinu> thoreauputic: i shall try debian then :D if not... than.. DSL :D
[05:43] <hasibasi> prego : im n00b :) where how to do that?
[05:44] <prego> hasibasi, how have you mounted the partition?
[05:44] <thoreauputic> selinium: yes, chown -R  user:group <foldername>
[05:44] <transgress> if not debian then dsl?  is dsl a distro now?
[05:44] <hasibasi> sudo mkdir /mnt/mywindrive
[05:44] <hasibasi> then mount it there like this "sudo mount -t vfat /dev/hda6 /mnt/mywindrive".
[05:44] <hasibasi> then you should be able to see it by doing "ls /mnt/mywindrive"
[05:44] <tremblay> Quick question: What happened to the "enable windows networking" check in Hoary?
[05:44] <b0urn3> goldfish: any clue on how to config gnometorrent?  when i open a torrent it does nothing, and doesnt show up in netstat
[05:44] <thoreauputic> transgress: you can hard drive install it
[05:44] <shinu> how do i check how much ram do i have?
[05:44] <transgress> thoreauputic: eh?
[05:44] <goldfish> b0urn3: you on dsl?
[05:44] <b0urn3> cable
[05:44] <selinium> cheers thoreauputic!
[05:44] <thoreauputic> transgress: Damn Small Linux
[05:44] <transgress> thoreauputic: oh yeah okay.
[05:45] <prego> hasibasi, sure. but you won't be able to write on it unless doing via sudo
[05:45] <thoreauputic> transgress: live CD about 50MB
[05:45] <goldfish> b0urn3: emm, hrmmm, never used it myself, maybe u have have to oppen ports?
[05:45] <transgress> yeah
[05:45] <prego> hasibasi, add following line to your /etc/fstab file (for instance, doing sudo gedit /etc/fstab):
[05:45] <transgress> i know what damn small is... just always used to saying damn small...
[05:45] <transgress> i see dsl i think... broadband
[05:46] <transgress> thoreauputic: what was the hard drive install response to?
[05:46] <prego> hasibasi, /dev/hda6 /mnt/mywindrive vfat rw,uid=1001 0 0
[05:46] <hasibasi> add that to the fstab file?
[05:46] <prego> provided your id is 1001, see your id with id command
[05:46] <prego> hasibasi, yess
[05:46] <thoreauputic> transgress: suggestion as an alternative to minimal Debian install
[05:46] <hasibasi> prego : thanx
[05:46] <hasibasi> prego: can i use it then to write/download/read to/from it ?
[05:47] <prego> hasibasi, then reboot, or unmount and mount again doing "sudo mount /dev/hda6"
[05:47] <transgress> thoreauputic: ah okay
[05:47] <transgress> so is there a way to just kinda get the DRI module?  so i can get firegl accel?
[05:47] <Taggz> Ok, does anyone know where I can get a nvidia graphics driver package for ubuntu? I dont know what one I should get off the nvidia website
[05:47] <prego> hasibasi, should be at /mnt/mywindrive, so just enter to that dir with nautilus or whatever
[05:47] <goldfish> Taggz: www.ubuntuguide.org
[05:47] <transgress> anyone possibly using an ati that has it working well?
[05:48] <dawnfading> hi again
[05:48] <goldfish> Taggz: tells you there :)
[05:48] <Taggz> Cheers big fish
[05:48] <hasibasi> prego: ok thank you i try right away thank you very much :)
[05:48] <dawnfading> i just upgraded to hoary but ran into some trouble with mysql
[05:48] <transgress> i'm so writing a wiki if i can get my ati working
[05:48] <transgress> seeing as there isn't one
[05:48] <dawnfading> i wanted to use mysql 4.1
[05:48] <prego> Taggz, AFAIK there is specific entry in repositories
[05:48] <Xappe> why do you mount in /mnt? isn't it better to use /media so you can get the mount to show up in nautilus/menus/desktop??
[05:48] <prego> Taggz, check nvidia with synaptic
[05:48] <thoreauputic> transgress: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:48] <transgress> although i'm impressed that i'm getting 115fps with glxgears w/o firegl
[05:49] <dawnfading> but i get a warning that it can't locate the server through socket /var/run/mysql/mysql.sock
[05:49] <dawnfading> any ideas?
[05:49] <gunny> fwiw, I have decided that gtk-qt is eeeeevil
[05:49] <transgress> ah interesting
[05:49] <yukito> hey, i am just wondering how to get the ubuntu installer too recognise my raid 0 array, atm it sees both of them, not the HD's as one
[05:49] <transgress> would've been nice if they had more aptly named it
[05:49] <yukito> i wish to keep the current data
[05:49] <tremblay> Quick question: What happened to the "enable windows networking" check in Hoary?
[05:49] <thoreauputic> transgress: indeed
[05:50] <gunny> yukito, just install samba  and smbfs
[05:50] <thoreauputic> transgress: the title betrays a geek's thinking process :)
[05:50] <prego> transgress, which card do you have?
[05:50] <yukito> hmm, what has that got to do with the ubuntu installer recognising the raid 0 array? :(
[05:50] <gunny> oops wrong person
[05:51] <yukito> :/
[05:51] <gunny> I meant that for Tremblay
[05:52] <tremblay> gunny: I just upgraded from Warty. Do I have to reinstall Samba and SMBfs or something?
[05:52] <karl> any reason you think you might have to tremblay?
[05:53] <gunny> tremblay yes
[05:53] <tremblay> Hrmpf.
[05:53] <IIIEars> how do i speed up my ProSavageDDR video card? (glxgears = 280 FPS)
[05:53] <gunny> if you cannot see the windows network or share any files yepper
[05:54] <hasibasi> prego : how do i unmount a partition ?
[05:54] <hendershot> anyone know of a plugin to stream the currently playing track from KEXP.ORG when using xmms or rhythbox?
[05:54] <Taggz> Can someone here help me install these drivers, i dont know the concole commands...
[05:54] <yahalom> can someone tell me if i'm safe to install the 2.6.11 kernel?
[05:54] <yukito> taggz: see 'modprobe'
[05:55] <goldfish> hasibasi: umount ?
[05:55] <tremblay> gunny: I guess I'll do that. But everything was working fine with Warty.. (and smb.conf looks fine)
[05:55] <gunny> hasibasi: umount /dev/whatever
[05:55] <goldfish> Taggz: From apt-get ?
[05:55] <hasibasi> goldfish : i mounted MYWINDRV
[05:55] <goldfish> hasibasi: what gunny said
[05:55] <gunny> tremblay: can you share files?
[05:55] <goldfish> umount /dev/blah
[05:55] <hasibasi> but before that i made a mistake :$
[05:55] <hasibasi> ok thanx
[05:55] <tremblay> gunny: Not anymore.
[05:56] <Gabriel> Hello, I added this repo http://debian-amd64.alioth.debian.org/pure64 to my system but I now miss the key in order to use it, how can I manage to find it and install it?
[05:56] <Taggz> eh whats modprobe yukito? and not from apt-get, ive just downloaded them off the nvidia website, theres a file on my desktop with the drivers
[05:56] <dawnfading> i'm trying to change my xorg.conf file but i can't find it
[05:56] <goldfish> oh rigth
[05:56] <dawnfading> is it possible it doesn't exist?
[05:56] <goldfish> dawnfading: /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[05:56] <gunny> tremblay: thne re-install samba it should pick up your conf file from before but rename it just to make sure
[05:56] <transgress> gonna try restarting X again
[05:56] <dawnfading> yep, but it's not there
[05:57] <dawnfading> goldfish
[05:57] <hasibasi> goldfish : if i mount HDA6 to /mnt/mywindrv i see 2 drives in the /mnt dir CALLED : HDA6 and MYWINDRV is this OK ?
[05:57] <goldfish> dawnfading: have u upgraded from warty?
[05:57] <gunny> if it didnt exist, X woudln't start
[05:57] <dawnfading> i upgraded from warty
[05:57] <dawnfading> indeed
[05:57] <Alfred1881> hey all, i want to upgrade OpenOffice.org, do i need to delete the  previouw version
[05:57] <goldfish> dawnfading: i had the same problem
[05:57] <b0urn3> ok..one more time...can anyone tell me how to configure gnome-torrent ?
[05:57] <goldfish> dawnfading: ur prolly still using xfree
[05:57] <dawnfading> phew, i thought i was going crazy
[05:57] <b0urn3> or point me in the right direction?
[05:57] <thoreauputic> Alfred1881: no
[05:57] <goldfish> dawnfading: X -version
[05:58] <goldfish> dawnfading: run that command
[05:58] <yukito> guess noone knows about my prob, thanks anyways
[05:58] <goldfish> see what it says
[05:58] <hasibasi> goldfish : if i mount HDA6 to /mnt/mywindrv i see 2 drives in the /mnt dir CALLED : HDA6 and MYWINDRV is this OK ?
[05:58] <dawnfading> XFree86 Version 4.3.0.1
[05:58] <shinu> uh...
[05:58] <goldfish> hasibasi: emmmmm, dunno
[05:58] <goldfish> :)
[05:58] <Alfred1881> thoreauputic does it remove by itsself
[05:58] <gunny> B0urne: you have to have a torrent file to open 1st
[05:58] <goldfish> dawnfading: yeah thought so
[05:58] <shinu> just discovered the comp had 48 ram 0.o
[05:59] <dawnfading> is it bad doctor ;-)
[05:59] <shinu> one of the ram bars didnt work ...
[05:59] <goldfish> dawnfading: dunno why it happens
[05:59] <hyapadi> how to upgrade an software? i mean using dpkg
[05:59] <thoreauputic> Alfred1881: if you use apt/synaptic, yes
[05:59] <goldfish> dawnfading: no, u just gotta apt-get xorg manually
[05:59] <Alfred1881> tar.gz
[05:59] <thoreauputic> hyapadi: don't use dpkg, use apt or synaptic
[06:00] <b0urn3> gunny: yup...got one saved to the desktop folder
[06:00] <dawnfading> goldfish, is that the precise apt-get command?
[06:00] <goldfish> dawnfading: nope :)
[06:00] <thoreauputic> Alfred1881: why are you using tar.gz?
[06:00] <dawnfading> how do i go about then?
[06:00] <b0urn3> gunny: when i double click on it, nothing happens...same if i open it from gnome-torrent
[06:00] <goldfish> dawnfading: em, gimmie a minute :)
[06:00] <Alfred1881> it's from its webside
[06:00] <dawnfading> sure :-)
[06:00] <thoreauputic> Alfred1881: Open Office is in synaptic::  use the package manager
[06:01] <gunny> bourne: hmmm, I haven't had any issues with it, sorry can't troubleshoot it for you
[06:01] <Burgundavia> b0urn3, what are you trying to do?
[06:01] <gunny> bourne: are you running firestarter by any chance?
[06:01] <c0nqvistad0r> Anyone knows how to autoidentify a nick when you enter a channel?
[06:01] <hyapadi> i mean i download the .deb from skype.com and want to upgrade my skype. how?
[06:01] <Burgundavia> hyapadi, apt-get install package.deb
[06:02] <hyapadi> oh ok2
[06:02] <gunny> dpkg -i package.deb
[06:02] <b0urn3> Burgandavia:  i'm trying to get gnome-torrent to run...first time running it...when i open a torrent, nothing happens either when i open it from gnome-torrent or when i just double click on the .torrent file
[06:02] <Burgundavia> oops
[06:02] <hyapadi> [23:02]  <gunny> dpkg -i package.deb <-- this one for installing, if upgrade?
[06:02] <tremblay> gunny: sudo /etc/init.d/samba restart -- fixed it.
[06:02] <Burgundavia> b0urn3, you running warty or hoary?
[06:02] <gunny> tremblay :great
[06:03] <thoreauputic> hyapadi: for installing  adeb package
[06:03] <b0urn3> gunny:  i don't believe i'm running firestarter...i just installed hoary yesterday for the first time
[06:03] <gunny> hypadi:yes
[06:03] <hyapadi> so upgrade and install is the same? should i remove the old one first? or just install over it?
[06:03] <goldfish> dawnfading: apt-get install xserver-xorg
[06:03] <Burgundavia> hyapadi, install over it
[06:04] <rottis> is'nt xorg already in ubuntu?
[06:04] <goldfish> in hoary yes
[06:04] <yahalom> rottis, yes
[06:04] <hyapadi> ok thx
[06:04] <b0urn3> Burgundavia, hoary
[06:04] <rottis> is n't*
[06:04] <goldfish> but he upgraded from warty
[06:04] <rottis> aa ok
[06:04] <goldfish> i had the same problem
[06:04] <goldfish> for some reason
[06:04] <transgress> grar... did everything in that wiki and still can't load DRI
[06:04] <Burgundavia> b0urn3, it should just work. Try another torrent file
[06:05] <thoreauputic> goldfish: possibly ubuntu-desktop was missing
[06:05] <goldfish> thoreauputic: hmmmm, maybe, i just ha to apt-get xorg manually, and everything worked fine.
[06:05] <Philuk86> can anyone tell me how i can stop ubuntu using dhcp at bootup when bringing eth0 up
[06:06] <dawnfading> goldfish, i got some errors with apt-get
[06:06] <dawnfading> trying with synaptic now
[06:06] <goldfish> hmmm
[06:06] <goldfish> ok
[06:06] <thoreauputic> Philuk86: if you don't need dhcp at all, just uninstall it
[06:06] <b0urn3> burgundavia:  i tried a different one....a spot in my taskbar shows up to say it's opening...then it disapears and nothing happens
[06:07] <JackandJohn> Can anyone help me with mounting an existing hard drive from the a64 live cd?
[06:07] <Burgundavia> b0urn3, hmm
[06:07] <Alfred1881> can i find a OOo-rpm
[06:07] <Philuk86> thoreauputic: i want dhcp but i just dont want it to bring up the eth0 on bootup
[06:07] <dawnfading> goldfish should i just check the X version again?
[06:07] <b0urn3> is there a way to open it from the command line?
[06:07] <goldfish> dawnfading: did it install ok?
[06:07] <dawnfading> think so
[06:07] <goldfish> ok
[06:07] <dawnfading> at least i have the xorg.conf file now
[06:08] <goldfish> ok
[06:08] <goldfish> dawnfading: try x version.
[06:08] <dawnfading> thanks goldfish!
[06:08] <goldfish> did it work?
[06:08] <dawnfading> X window system version 6.8.2
[06:08] <yahalom> anyone here use dansguardian with ubuntu?
[06:08] <goldfish> dawnfading: kk, cool.
[06:08] <dawnfading> looks fine with me
[06:08] <dawnfading> phew
[06:08] <JackandJohn> specifically; I have hdax and hdbx in /dev, but they give "couldn't display" and show Xs
[06:08] <dawnfading> good thing i don't have to upgrade every week
[06:09] <tremblay> I guess the only reliable way to play (Windows) games in Ubuntu is to shell out cash for Cedega, right?
[06:09] <goldfish> dawnfading: :)
[06:09] <b0urn3> Burgundavia, is there a way to open it from the command line so i can see any error messages that aren't being shown through gnome?
[06:09] <CarlK> dcraven - here is that "what you still need
[06:09] <CarlK> dcraven - here is that "what you still need" for mambo http://dev.personnelware.com/carl/temp/Apr28/mambosetup.html
[06:09] <dawnfading> i'm going to try to get those fonts smooth
[06:09] <dawnfading> see what happens
[06:10] <Gunnyman> tremblay: check the thread on how to install wine cvs in the forums
[06:10] <Gunnyman> my wine is much faster now that I did that
[06:10] <Burgundavia> b0ol_, gnome-bt I think
[06:11] <guupsta> is agp set to 8x (if possible) by default on fglrx?
[06:11] <I_need_help> help
[06:11] <I_need_help> anyone
[06:12] <tremblay> Will do, Gunnyman.
[06:12] <Gunnyman> tremblay: lots of great commercial games for linux too
[06:12] <Myrtti> I_need_help: you're not going to get any if you insist on trying to send the question telepathically
[06:13] <mae> can someone tell me if they get an apache webserver at this ip please: http://67.46.53.177/
[06:13] <Sebi> hi
[06:13] <tremblay> Gunnyman: What do you mean by "great commercial games"?
[06:13] <guupsta> ie. UT2004
[06:13] <Gunnyman> Unreal Tourney 2k4, doom 3 america's army, alll run native linux
[06:13] <CarlK> mae - nope
[06:14] <Sebi> mae:  "the document contains no data"
[06:14] <mae> can someone tell me if they get an apache webserver at this ip please: http://67.46.53.178/ <- try that :)
[06:14] <JackandJohn> how is doom3 in linux, comparativly?
[06:14] <rottis> mae: if its your ip
[06:14] <snowblink> mae, http://www.netcraft.com/
[06:14] <Gunnyman> the demo ran faster on linux than in windows jack
[06:14] <mae> they are both my ips.
[06:14] <CarlK> mae - you want a port scan off some range?
[06:14] <rottis> kk
[06:14] <spiral> does anyone know if I can tell my system to use a specific dns only for a specific domain name
[06:14] <spiral> .
[06:14] <spiral> .
[06:14] <spiral> ?
[06:15] <spiral> rhah... damned keyboard, sorry
[06:15] <rottis> check /var/www
[06:15] <JackandJohn> Gunnyman; Nice, glad to hear
[06:15] <rottis> or /etc/apache/htdocs/
[06:15] <mae> CarlK, nah i just got a new internet service and its unclear which ip is accessible from the world.
[06:15] <Gunnyman> ut2k4 runs faster on my linux than in windows too
[06:15] <CarlK> mae - that first IP has more ports open than I have ever seen ;)
[06:15] <rottis> or /usr/local/apache/htdocs :)
[06:15] <JackandJohn> mae: look up domain dossier
[06:15] <rottis> you guys use nmap for portscans? :)
[06:15] <JackandJohn> mae: it's a site that will probe your host/ip externally for you
[06:15] <CarlK> mae nmap 67.46.53.177|wc 1540
[06:16] <Gunnyman> open GL kicks Direct X's buttocks
[06:16] <thoreauputic> mae: I get an index of apache default: you need to set document root?
[06:16] <JackandJohn> Gunnyman: Agreed.. too bad ms has a puttet string on it
[06:16] <JackandJohn> *puppet
[06:16] <Gunnyman> yeah
[06:16] <ivoks> hi folks
[06:16] <rottis> hi
[06:16] <guupsta> my radeon9700pro keeps freezing with firegl
[06:16] <Gunnyman> I play X Box for most games these days but the ones linux has to offer rock
[06:16] <mae> thoreauputic, on the second url right?
[06:17] <Gunnyman> John Carmack likes Linux ;)
[06:17] <thoreauputic> mae: http://67.46.53.178/
[06:17] <mae> ok cool
[06:17] <JackandJohn> MS is running unix for thier xbox 360 game sdk.. dual mac g5
[06:17] <rottis> wow 67.46.53.177 has reaally lots ports :D
[06:18] <mae> the 177 address i have no control over, its my retarded satellite modem
[06:18] <rottis> ok lol :D
[06:18] <rottis> 5900/tcp  open     vnc
[06:18] <rottis> hmm it has vnc?
[06:18] <ivoks> hehe
[06:18] <tekkah> vnc exploit!
[06:18] <mae> mind doing a portscan on 178 and see how it looks?
[06:18] <mae> i have shorewall setup tight so.
[06:19] <I_need_help> anyone
[06:19] <I_need_help> tell me
[06:19] <I_need_help> who know
[06:19] <rottis> what
[06:19] <I_need_help> what is problem
[06:19] <Burgundavia> I_need_help, what do you need help with?
[06:19] <rottis> Dont flood
[06:19] <I_need_help> sorry
[06:19] <rottis> one line all plz
[06:19] <rottis> ok whats the prob
[06:19] <rottis> lol
[06:19] <ivoks> Gunnyman :)
[06:20] <Gunnyman> irc is much more fun with emotes :D
[06:20] <rottis> mae: 178 have many ports too :DD
[06:20] <mae> rottis: hehe
[06:20] <JackandJohn> gar.. how do I mount a fat16 partition (hda7) from the livecd?
[06:20] <eaon> Is Henry Nilsen Omma here at the moment?
[06:21] <rottis> mount /dev/hda7 /mnt/hda7 dont work?
[06:21] <Gunnyman> me busts out the tea leaves and tarot cards
[06:21] <rottis> but i think its already mounted..
[06:21] <goldfish> what the hell is emotes?
[06:21] <mae> rottis: well it should have www,ftp,ssh only from the outside :
[06:21] <rottis> lol :D
[06:21] <rottis> :)
[06:21] <ivoks> mae ftp?
[06:21] <ivoks> i wouldn't leave ftp...
[06:21] <eaon> Apparently not
[06:21] <mae> ivoks, anonftp
[06:21] <JackandJohn> omfg.. lol.. here I was in fstab, and all over the place
[06:22] <ivoks> mae ah, ok then
[06:22] <mae> and its vsftpd
[06:22] <mae> :)
[06:22] <rottis> whats your network speeds?
[06:22] <mae> my satellite eonnection isnt too reliable to grab large files via http.. ftp is more reliable
[06:22] <patrickf> I want to format my harddisc with "fdisk", the programm asks me for the first Zylinder, what should I write, 1?
[06:22] <ivoks> vsftpd rulz
[06:23] <ivoks> mae sftp than
[06:23] <rottis> fdisk /dev/hda then d 1 d 2 and like that
[06:23] <hasibasi> I_NEED_HELP : i cant untar the vpnclient from cisco with ubuntu
[06:23] <mae> ivoks, sftp has too much encryption overhead :)
[06:24] <ivoks> mae :))
[06:24] <mae> if i want to sftp i can i have ssh up
[06:24] <patrickf> Should the first zyl. be 1 ?
[06:25] <hasibasi> how do i untar? the vpnclient file ?
[06:25] <ivoks> mae ? did understand that sentece :)
[06:25] <ivoks> mae ah... now i get it... u miss couple of , and . :)
[06:25] <CarlK> phpinfo shows  Configure Command   '../configure...--without-mysql' - do I need to do something more than apt-get install php4-mysql ? (cuz I did, but phpinfo doesnt show anything about mysql)
[06:26] <thoreauputic> hasibasi: if its just a tar file, tar xf <file>
[06:26] <mae> ivoks, I was just saying that I can sftp because i have openssh running
[06:26] <ivoks> mae i know
[06:26] <mae> :)
[06:26] <thoreauputic> hasibasi: if it's a tar.gz , tar xvzf <file>
[06:26] <selinium> thoreauputic: can i use chmod in the same way?
[06:26] <Myrtti> I guess he's still trying to use telepathics
[06:26] <thoreauputic> selinium:  recursively? Yes
[06:27] <hasibasi> thoreauputic : It is a tar.gz file
[06:27] <selinium> Lovely!
[06:27] <thoreauputic> hasibasi: then the answer is above
[06:27] <hasibasi> ok thanks i try
[06:27] <transgress> for the first time since i put linux on this box I have 3d support
[06:27] <Gunnyman> woooot
[06:27] <transgress> woo freaking hoo!
[06:27] <I_need_help> anyone know what is wrong i cant see when i install ubuntu
[06:27] <JackandJohn> wow.. only took me 20min to dl my drivers and put them on a fat16 partition.. lol, well, I'm getting better
[06:27] <I_need_help> cant see tutorials
[06:27] <transgress> okay what's the command for starting open office?
[06:27] <guupsta> err
[06:27] <JackandJohn> tx everybody
[06:28] <I_need_help> anyone who is good with this  msg me
[06:28] <Sionide> openoffice ?
[06:28] <transgress> particularly the writer part?
[06:28] <transgress> i thought it was like OOw
[06:28] <thoreauputic> transgress: for the word processor, oowriter
[06:28] <transgress> ah okay
[06:28] <Sionide> mmm
[06:28] <Bazzi> transgress "ooffice" should also work
[06:28] <ivoks> heh
[06:28] <ivoks> oowriter2
[06:29] <I_need_help> anyone
[06:29] <ivoks> ooffice2
[06:29] <I_need_help> who have 2 os
[06:29] <I_need_help> on
[06:29] <thoreauputic> oo <tab> <tab> for full instructions ;)
[06:29] <I_need_help> pc
[06:29] <I_need_help> msg me
[06:29] <ivoks> I_need_help sorry, i have three :(
[06:29] <guupsta> :/
[06:29] <ivoks> and it isn't pc :)
[06:29] <Gunnyman> wow allofmp3.com's windows interface works flawlessly on wine!
[06:30] <I_need_help> come on ptv
[06:30] <thoreauputic> I_need_help: no one is going to /msg you - keep it in the channel, please
[06:30] <ivoks> he is sick
[06:30] <ivoks> he allways repeats ok, tell me
[06:30] <ivoks> ok, tell me
[06:30] <ivoks> non-stop
[06:30] <ivoks> :)
[06:30] <Dr_Willis> a great many people boot to more then one os I_need_help , they normally use grub or LILO as their boot manager.
[06:31] <mae> hmm
[06:31] <ivoks> Dr_Willis hm...
[06:31] <Dr_Willis> :P
[06:31] <ivoks> Dr_Willis lilo and grub work only on 32bit Intel-comp. PC
[06:32] <thoreauputic> ivoks: yaboot can dual boot easily as well
[06:32] <Dr_Willis> ivoks,  Hmm.. I was useing Grub on my AMD64 pc its 64bit. for a PowerPC machine.. i forget what i used on my imac.. yaboot. I belive.
[06:32] <thoreauputic> ivoks: for example
[06:32] <Gunnyman> yaboot on my powerbook
[06:32] <Dr_Willis> I think theres a 2nd alternative for PowerPC. but cant rember what it is off hand. :P
[06:32] <ivoks> Dr_Willis grub works on amd64? hm..
[06:32] <ivoks> Dr_Willis yaboot is for mac
[06:33] <thoreauputic> Dr_Willis: for Old World machines I think, yes
[06:33] <Dr_Willis> ivoks,  im useing grub now and its an AMD64 machine.
[06:33] <ivoks> did anyone tried to create and boot from 4TB big partition?
[06:33] <ivoks> on a 32bit PC
[06:33] <thoreauputic> ivoks: I think he knows yaboot is for mac
[06:33] <I_need_help> anyone know how to configure
[06:33] <I_need_help> ubuntu to take
[06:33] <I_need_help> space partiton from xp
[06:33] <I_need_help> and make that self
[06:34] <I_need_help> or i must make with
[06:34] <Bachus9000> I've got several partition mounted in /mnt (eg /mnt/documents, /mnt/data).  Since I installed Hoary GNOME has identified these in Nautilus (computer://) and the file open/save dialgos as "5.4G Media" or "732M Media" or something else like that.  Last night I turned the pc on and Ubuntu was instead listing them as their mount point (eg Windows in place of 5.4G Media or Documents instead of 732M Media), and it also displayed these volumes on
[06:34] <Bachus9000> the desktop and in the "Places" menu.  Today it has reverted to the previous behavior.  In the short time I used it I decided I rather like the new behavior and would like to know how to get it back. :)
[06:34] <goldfish> woah.
[06:34] <I_need_help> partion  mag
[06:34] <Dr_Willis> I_need_help,  you mean 'resize an existing xp partition to make it smaller?'
[06:34] <I_need_help> yes
[06:34] <I_need_help> exactly
[06:34] <I_need_help> that
[06:34] <thoreauputic> Bachus9000: umm-- a bit too big a chunk at once, methinks
[06:34] <nix000> why do i get "WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! linux-headers-2.6.10-5 linux-headers-2.6.10-5-386" i am running hoary and i dbl checked my apt sources
[06:34] <I_need_help> just xandros
[06:34] <ivoks> I_need_help collect money and learn english
[06:34] <Xappe> Bachus9000: try a /etc/init.d/dbus-1 restart
[06:35] <I_need_help> work on my machine
[06:35] <I_need_help> ivoks
[06:35] <Dr_Willis> I_need_help,  ive used 'qt_parted' and the "Linuxrescuecd" to do such a task.
[06:35] <Rydekull> Bachus9000: wow, I really dont know your answer but compliments on the great way on giving much info when asking a questions
[06:35] <ivoks> nix000 i get that today too
[06:35] <Gunnyman> did you get gpg keys for those sources nix000?
[06:35] <Rydekull> Bachus9000: though, do not paste it in at the same time :)
[06:35] <I_need_help> be nice and dont speak like that
[06:35] <guupsta> I_need_help: just use the partition magic
[06:35] <I_need_help> that is not nice word
[06:35] <nix000> Gunnyman, no idea where gpg gets involved !
[06:35] <transgress> it is so time to isntall unreal2k4
[06:35] <Gunnyman> nix: hwat sources?
[06:35] <ivoks> nix000 what mirror do u use?
[06:35] <Gunnyman> er what sources?
[06:36] <selinium> hi all, can I have some recommendations for a ssh program
[06:36] <selinium> :)
[06:36] <nix000> ivoks, no mirrors !
[06:36] <ivoks> i use croatian archive
[06:36] <ivoks> and yestrday it worked ok
[06:36] <ivoks> today it says same thing
[06:36] <nix000> ivoks, deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted
[06:36] <goldfish> selinium: ssh program?
[06:36] <thoreauputic> selinium: openssh-server ?
[06:37] <Gunnyman> woah
[06:37] <CarlK> yes
[06:37] <Rydekull> selinium: ssh, or putty i'd guess if you're asking for a client
[06:37] <transgress> bash: ./linux-installer.sh: /bin/sh: bad interpreter: Permission denied
[06:37] <selinium> goldfish: I come from a windows background... I would have used Putty. I will give it a go
[06:37] <transgress> anyone know what that would mean?
[06:37] <goldfish> selinium: oh right.
[06:37] <thoreauputic> selinium: ssh is ssh if you know what I mean...
[06:38] <transgress> it's the installer for unreal that i know works
[06:38] <goldfish> selinium: ssh from terminal.
[06:38] <Bachus9000> Stop and starting dbus-1 has given me the desired results.  Now how can I do this reliably on each boot?
[06:38] <Gunnyman> combine language barrier with lack of knowlege of IRC and watch the fireworks ;)
[06:38] <ivoks> transgress is there /bin/sh?
[06:38] <goldfish> selinium: it's installed already.
[06:38] <thoreauputic> selinium: ssh can use other programs (nautilus is one example among many)
[06:38] <ivoks> transgress chmod +x linux-instaler.sh ./linux-instaler.sh
[06:38] <dantheman> @find streetcar
[06:38] <Bachus9000> *Stopping, rather. :)
[06:38] <Xappe> Bachus9000: that I do not know. I do that restart after each reboot/logging into gnome
[06:39] <Balduran> hello
[06:39] <thoreauputic> selinium: do you need an ssh server or just a client?
[06:39] <ivoks> ssh program for linux :)
[06:40] <CarlK> have you tried typing ssh?
[06:40] <nix000> ivoks, now it started working !!!
[06:40] <ivoks> it's like graphic interface for windows :)
[06:40] <ivoks> nix000 mine too
[06:40] <ivoks> nix000 Ign file: apt-build Release.gpg
[06:40] <Balduran> are there standardly all isdn things installed on ubuntu ?
[06:40] <Rydekull> selinium: if you are running hoary and X you can use putty in ubuntu aswell :)
[06:40] <Balduran> or do i have to install more things for using an isdn card
[06:40] <ivoks> lol
[06:40] <b0xii> Is there a floppy install available for hoary?  If so, where would I go about finding them?  I'd rather not download the entire CD if they are located there.
[06:41] <thoreauputic> ivoks: not necessarily: to use ssh to another box the other box needs openssh-server
[06:41] <CarlK> b0xii - no
[06:41] <selinium> thoreauputic: just a client. I am trying to talk to my root server. The reason I changed to linux was because I now have a root server and thought I had better learn it
[06:41] <ivoks> thoreauputic ?
[06:41] <CarlK> b0xii - closetes you can get is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/LocalNetInstall
[06:41] <ivoks> thrace what are u trying to tell me?
[06:41] <b0xii> CarlK: thank you... that bites
[06:41] <thoreauputic> ivoks: you can't connect to a client, mate
[06:41] <ivoks> selinium good move
[06:42] <ivoks> thoreauputic really? that's odd :)
[06:42] <ivoks> AFAIK putty isn't server, and man asked for something like putty on linux
[06:42] <thoreauputic> ivoks: my point being, the server is not installed by defaukt
[06:42] <thoreauputic> *default
[06:42] <ivoks> that funny, couse, ssh client is almost standard app
[06:42] <goldfish> aye
[06:43] <goldfish> it's only an apt-get away.
[06:43] <blueprism> is there anyway to detect a built wlan adapter i should have in my laptop (according to the spec from the factory ) ?
[06:43] <ivoks> thoreauputic i know, mate, i'm linux sysadmin :) not desktop user :)
[06:43] <ivoks> blueprism linux will detect it
[06:43] <ivoks> blueprism but will it work... that's another question
[06:43] <dmpohlman> can anybody tell me how to add a permanent route statement
[06:43] <Gunnyman> dammit jim I'ma  doctor not a magician
[06:44] <blueprism> ivoks any way to confirm it ?
[06:44] <blueprism> its a acer laptop
[06:44] <CarlK> blueprism - don't suppose it is on the usb buss?
[06:44] <ivoks> blueprism lspci will tell u everything
[06:44] <ivoks> blueprism lspci | grep Network
[06:44] <CarlK> friend has some laptops that use the usb buss for the built in wifi - mandrake didn't use it
[06:44] <blueprism> ivoks can only find a ordinary Ethernet controller
[06:45] <blueprism> CarlK well according to acfer my Travelmate 2302LC
[06:45] <blueprism> should have builtin wifi
[06:45] <CarlK> blueprism - try lsusb
[06:45] <selinium> So which is the best client for me to use then?
[06:45] <ivoks> blueprism then u don't have wifi card
[06:45] <ivoks> selinium ssh
[06:45] <blueprism> CarlK it only display the default 4 busses
[06:45] <CarlK> ivoks - not quiet... readwhat I just said...
[06:45] <ivoks> selinium man, open the term and enter ssh
[06:46] <CarlK> blueprism - do you have 4 usb ports?
[06:46] <Jimmothy> Gunnyman: ?
[06:46] <ivoks> CarlK u are kidding me, right? :)
[06:46] <CarlK> ivoks - no
[06:46] <blueprism> CarlK only 2
[06:46] <ivoks> CarlK what idiots do that? :)
[06:46] <Gunnyman> nothing just a joke Jimmothy
[06:46] <thoreauputic> selinium: just do ssh <your server>
[06:46] <selinium> Cheers ivoks, i already have but it is always worth asking before getting used to a particular package :)
[06:47] <CarlK> ivoks - my toshiba 6100 has 2 ports, but lsusb shows 3 because the built in SD card reader is a usb device
[06:47] <selinium> thoreauputic && ivoks: Cheers again for your help guys
[06:47] <ivoks> selinium openssh is the name of program, and u run it with command "ssh"
[06:47] <ivoks> selinium it has a lot features
[06:47] <ivoks> selinium like passwordless login, etc...
[06:47] <CarlK> ivoks - but it is some closed thing that has 0 linux support :(
[06:48] <Balduran> why does my pc crash at loading the hotplug subsystem at ubuntu starting
[06:48] <ivoks> CarlK mine lsusb has 4 buses, but i got only 2 ports
[06:48] <CarlK> ivoks - I would surf around and try to find how your wifi is connected
[06:48] <CarlK> ivoks - and hope you dont find "usb" :)
[06:49] <ivoks> CarlK mine wifi is well supported and running under linux
[06:49] <ivoks> intel prowireless 2200B/G
[06:49] <CarlK> wait.. who had wifi trouble?
[06:49] <ivoks> CarlK not me :)
[06:49] <blueprism> CarlK me
[06:49] <blueprism> :O
[06:49] <CarlK> oh yeah...
[06:49] <thoreauputic> Balduran: do  dmesg | grep hotplug or run dmesg | less and see what's happening when it crashes
[06:49] <ivoks> CarlK i'm too long in linux world to have any problems :)
[06:50] <blueprism> CarlK or well trying to figure if the facory specifications is wrong
[06:50] <CarlK> ivoks - know anything about wifi on usb?
[06:50] <thoreauputic> ivoks: except humility problems ;-)
[06:50] <ivoks> CarlK nope
[06:50] <CarlK> ivoks - or my 6100 SD card reader - that would help me
[06:50] <_Otaku> HI!
[06:50] <ivoks> thoreauputic humility? wait.. i need dictionary for that :)
[06:51] <thoreauputic> ivoks: I'm not surprised :)
[06:51] <RichG> I think I did something wrong when I was creating a user account while I was installing. When Ubuntu booted for the first time, I had to make a new user using groupadd & useradd, but now entering mine/root's password when prompted to when opening Synaptic etc. doesn't work.
[06:51] <ivoks> thoreauputic fuck, nowhere around... what that means? :)
[06:51] <ivoks> CarlK wouldn't know... look under usb-storage driver
[06:52] <thoreauputic> ivoks: try running  ` dict humility` ;-)
[06:52] <CarlK> ivoks - been there... gave up after a while
[06:53] <ivoks> thoreauputic LOL :)
[06:53] <Balduran> if i want to install an isdn card what i have to do???
[06:53] <Burgundavia> RichG, the first account your created was a normal user account
[06:53] <Balduran> i mean do i use special software or something else
[06:54] <ivoks> a lack of false pride
[06:54] <ivoks> :)
[06:54] <Burgundavia> RichG, there is no root password in Ubuntu by default
[06:54] <Balduran> or can i use it now like a ethernet card
[06:54] <RichG> Burgundavia: I checked /etc/passwd and it didn't exist
[06:55] <ivoks> CarlK i stoped beeing humble when a guy smashed my car :)
[06:56] <ivoks> thoreauputic u are developer?
[06:56] <CarlK> ivoks - now you are confusing me with someone who cares ;)
[06:56] <thoreauputic> ivoks: no:) I'm an artist, supposedly. I write a few bash scripts ;-)
[06:56] <ivoks> this shatz is killing me :((
[06:57] <surlyesque> Balduran: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/IsdnHowto
[06:57] <ivoks> CarlK :)
[06:57] <ivoks> CarlK sorry
[06:57] <Gunnyman> what is the gnome equivilant of ctrl-alt-esc  for killing stuck programs?
[06:57] <cbr_> hi
[06:57] <ivoks> did e\anyone had shatz around his neck?
[06:57] <CarlK> ivoks - me too - bit harsh of me - sorry to hear about your car
[06:58] <cbr_> i need some help with my prism2_usb wlan adapter
[06:58] <ivoks> CarlK who cares about car, i'm woried about my neck :(
[06:58] <cbr_> im tryin since 2 weeks to get this sucking stick to work
[06:58] <CarlK> ivoks - ugh
[06:58] <CarlK> cbr_ - how timely - we was just talking about usb-wifi
[06:58] <Balduran> surlyesque: thank you
[06:58] <thoreauputic> Gunnyman: use xkill from a terminal, or the applet you can put on the panel
[06:58] <cbr_> nice =)
[06:59] <Gunnyman> thanks
[06:59] <surlyesque> cbr_: check info here: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-4041.html
[06:59] <CarlK> cbr_ - well, noting good came of it
[06:59] <cbr_> hehe thats my problem
[06:59] <RichG> I think I did something wrong when I was creating a user account while I was installing. When Ubuntu booted for the first time, I had to make a new user using groupadd & useradd, but now entering mine/root's password when prompted to when opening Synaptic etc. doesn't work.
[07:00] <surlyesque> balduran: welcome
[07:00] <ivoks> well.. apt-cache search prism is quite... hm... big :)
[07:00] <ivoks> linux-wlan-ng - utilities for wireless prism2 cards
[07:00] <ivoks> linux-wlan-ng-doc - documentation for wlan-ng
[07:00] <ivoks> hostap-source - Host AP driver for Intersil Prism2/2.5/3
[07:00] <ivoks> hostap-utils - Utility programs for Host AP driver for Intersil Prism2/2.5/3
[07:00] <Burgundavia> RichG, Ubuntu uses sudo
[07:00] <Beano> ivoks try apt-cache dump :)
[07:00] <ivoks> it's much better supported than ipw2200
[07:00] <Balduran> surlyesque: that was a how to for warty or how the older ubuntu is called, and i have hedgehog
[07:00] <Burgundavia> RichG, the account created during install is the only user that can use sudo by default
[07:01] <ivoks> Beano :)
[07:01] <tbasten> Um, i needs someone who knows alot about ubuntu+xorg
[07:01] <Burgundavia> RichG, that user is a basic user
[07:01] <Burgundavia> RichG, the root account is disabled by default
[07:01] <tbasten> dcraven, dude
[07:01] <wastrel> i use ipw2200
[07:01] <Beano> its a bit bigger :P
[07:01] <RichG> Burgundavia: well that user wasn't created for some reason. can you tell me what I need to add to my sudoers file please?
[07:01] <wastrel> what should i be using ivoks?
[07:01] <Beano> Streamripper is the sex
[07:01] <tbasten> dcraven, cannt seem to get my s3 card to work
[07:01] <thoreauputic> Beano: just as well I know about ctrl-C ;-)
[07:01] <amichai> anyone know how i can download a kernel? apt-cache search what?
[07:01] <tbasten> dcraven, doesnt seem to be any modules for it
[07:01] <Burgundavia> RichG, I highly doubt it, but reboot into rescue mode and edit the sudoers file with visudo
[07:02] <Beano> thoreauputic, lol :P
[07:02] <amichai> apt-cache search linux-kernel?
[07:02] <thandavarayan> amichai: which version
[07:02] <RichG> Burgundavia: I already have root access. I did an expert install
[07:02] <Burgundavia> RichG, try logging in as the user mentioned in the file first though
[07:02] <amichai> thandavarayan, i want to get the 686 one
[07:02] <Burgundavia> RichG, oh, that is differenet
[07:02] <thandavarayan> amichai: source or pre-built
[07:02] <Burgundavia> RichG, why did you go and do that?
[07:02] <amichai> thandavarayan, do u know if 4.6.11 is supported?
[07:02] <amichai> thandavarayan, prebuilt
[07:02] <RichG> Burgundavia: to have more control...?
[07:02] <ivoks> wastrel ?
[07:02] <Burgundavia> RichG, are you using this as a desktop?
[07:03] <thandavarayan> amichai: 4.6.11 ----
[07:03] <RichG> Burgundavia: yes
[07:03] <ivoks> 4.6.11?
[07:03] <Burgundavia> RichG, the expert install is for servers
[07:03] <thandavarayan> amichai: I don't get that version number
[07:03] <wastrel> ivoks you said ipw2200 isn't well supported
[07:03] <ivoks> no such thing
[07:03] <Burgundavia> RichG, anyway, taht is water under the bridge
[07:03] <Burgundavia> RichG, see what username is in the sudoers file
[07:03] <ivoks> wastrel no. i said prism2 is better supported than ipw2200
[07:03] <thoreauputic> amichai: you have a time machine?
[07:03] <wastrel> ah
[07:03] <amichai> thandavarayan, 2.6.10-5-386
[07:03] <amichai>  this is what i have
[07:03] <surlyesque> balduran: here: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/IsdnHowtoHoary              :
[07:04] <transgress> has anyone had problems with their repo's not saving when they add to them?
[07:04] <amichai> thoreauputic, lol sorry
[07:04] <RichG> Burgundavia: a "Defaults..." line and a line for root. that's all
[07:04] <ivoks> well... bye guys...
[07:04] <Burgundavia> RichG, ok then
[07:04] <thandavarayan> amichai: okay, set apt-config to download from the internet
[07:04] <amichai> thoreauputic, so i want at least 2.6.10-5-686 or 2.6.11-686 but last time i isntalled 11 it froze my box
[07:04] <thoreauputic> amichai: wow, I'm disappointed - i thought I could skip a few kernel versions for a moment :)
[07:04] <Burgundavia> RichG, all the desktop stuff is designed to use sudo
[07:04] <amichai> thandavarayan, how do i do that
[07:04] <ivoks> 2.6.11 is crap
[07:04] <amichai> ?
[07:04] <Burgundavia> RichG, reboot into rescue mode
[07:05] <thandavarayan> amichai: sudo apt-config
[07:05] <thoreauputic> amichai: 2.6.11 is bad news - don't go there
[07:05] <Burgundavia> RichG, and add your user into the sudoers file with visudo
[07:05] <surlyesque> ivoks: i agree
[07:05] <ivoks> thoreauputic u get that feeling too, heh? :)
[07:05] <thandavarayan> thoreauputic: he is more enthu... let him try
[07:05] <RichG> hmmm I don't need to reboot :) can you just tell me what to add so I don't have to work it out?
[07:05] <amichai> thandavarayan, i dont get apt-config
[07:05] <RichG> that's all I need to know :)
[07:06] <Burgundavia> RichG, if you don't have root/sudo access you can't edit that sudo file
[07:06] <thandavarayan> amichai: apt-press tab key see you have config
[07:06] <RichG> Burgundavia: I do have root access
[07:06] <ivoks>  /etc/sudoers is broken in ubuntu :(
[07:06] <RichG> ...
[07:06] <Burgundavia> RichG, then edit taht file
[07:06] <amichai> thandavarayan, do i use dump or shell?
[07:06] <Burgundavia> RichG, with visudo
[07:06] <RichG> and insert into it...
[07:06] <thandavarayan> amichai: shell is better
[07:07] <amichai> thandavarayan, so i did shell, and nothing happens
[07:07] <transgress> wtf... i try to add multiverse to my sources, and everytime i check it in the synaptic repo's add, it just goes away after i hit okay
[07:07] <transgress> someone know how i can fix that?
[07:07] <thandavarayan> amichai: open gnome-terminal
[07:07] <Burgundavia> RichG, %admin	ALL=(ALL) ALL
[07:07] <amichai> thandavarayan, i am in gnome terminal
[07:07] <thandavarayan> amichai: sudo apt-tab key
[07:07] <RichG> Burgundavia: thanks
[07:07] <Burgundavia> RichG, and make certain your user is a member of the admin group
[07:08] <amichai> thandavarayan, nothing
[07:08] <thoreauputic> actually the group is adm
[07:09] <transgress> grar!
[07:09] <amichai> thandavarayan, beep thats all
[07:09] <transgress> i need multiverse to work so i can watching dvd's... but it apparently hates me
[07:09] <thandavarayan> amichai: Have you ever tried to pull any of the *.debs from the internet for update or upgrade...
[07:09] <amichai> thandavarayan, not through apt-get
[07:10] <Justin> thandavarayan: edit /etc/apt/sources.list, it is easier
[07:10] <thoreauputic> amichai: try apt <tab> without the sudo
[07:10] <amichai> thandavarayan, or synaptic
[07:10] <Justin> er,
[07:10] <RichG> how do you add a user to a group from a terminal?
[07:10] <amichai> thoreauputic, ok got something
[07:10] <Justin> transgress: edit /etc/apt/sources.list, it is easier
[07:10] <thoreauputic> adduser user group
[07:10] <transgress> Justin: you know the line for multiverse?
[07:10] <Justin> transgress: the same as all the other lines
[07:10] <transgress> and universe for that matter
[07:10] <thandavarayan> Justin: Yes, I know
[07:10] <RichG> thoreauputic: thanks
[07:10] <amichai> thoreauputic, apt-setup?
[07:10] <Justin> transgress: most should already be in there, just commented out
[07:11] <thandavarayan> Justin: when installed from cd-rom, it points to the *.debs in cd-rom
[07:11] <transgress> Justin: it's not
[07:11] <tbasten> anyone do a dual monitor setup?
[07:11] <thoreauputic> amichai: that will get you a default apt sources list
[07:11] <Justin> transgress: synaptic must have removed it then
[07:11] <thandavarayan> Justin: if you want to get from the internet, you need to config the apt-config
[07:11] <tbasten> anyone have a dual monitor setup?
[07:12] <RichG> Burgundavia: -_- admin group doesn't exist. can you tell me what its GID should be?
[07:12] <transgress> Justin: wouldn't want to copy me your's by chance would you?  since synaptic is being a bitch and whatnot
[07:12] <amichai> thoreauputic, i was sure i did something like apt-cache search linux-kernel or something and got the kernels, thats how i installed a k7 one two weeks ago
[07:12] <Justin> transgress: can't, ubuntu is on my laptop which is at home
[07:12] <Justin> transgress: actually, i installed from cdrom and the sources.list had both
[07:12] <thoreauputic> amichai: apt-cache search linux-image
[07:12] <wastrel> ubuntu is also on my laptop
[07:13] <cbr_> root@iMac:/home/cbr # sudo wlanctl-ng wlan0 lnxreq_autojoin ssid="test" authtype=opensystem
[07:13] <cbr_> message=lnxreq_autojoin
[07:13] <cbr_>   ssid='test'
[07:13] <cbr_>   authtype=opensystem
[07:13] <cbr_>   resultcode=success
[07:13] <tbasten> does anyone have a dual monitor setup?
[07:13] <Burgundavia> tbasten, I did
[07:13] <amichai> thoreauputic, there we go
[07:13] <Burgundavia> tbasten, what video card?
[07:13] <amichai> thoreauputic, thanx
[07:13] <cbr_> hmm... first time that this step are sucess
[07:13] <thoreauputic> no problem
[07:13] <tbasten> Burgundavia, nvidia and s3 trio
[07:13] <thoreauputic> :)
[07:13] <transgress> i installed from the cdrom as well
[07:13] <Burgundavia> tbasten, you have a dual head card?
[07:14] <amichai> thoreauputic, if my arc is 686 should i get a 686 kernel?
[07:14] <cbr_> but how i can set the wep key ?
[07:14] <tbasten> Burgundavia, no
[07:14] <thoreauputic> amichai: sure
[07:14] <cbr_> with every other card i say iwconfig wlan0 key xx:xx:xx
[07:14] <amichai> thoreauputic, i just apt-get install the new kernel?
[07:14] <thoreauputic> amichai: although an i386 is OK too
[07:14] <thoreauputic> amichai: yup
[07:14] <usynic> cbr_: iwconfig wlan0 enc key
[07:14] <usynic> cbr_: iwconfig wlan0 enc restricted key
[07:15] <usynic> cbr_: enc or key should both work... they are the same.
[07:15] <thoreauputic> amichai: grub will even update itself automatically
[07:15] <usynic> cbr_: you don't need the : though
[07:15] <cbr_> Error for wireless request "Set Encode" (8B2A) :
[07:15] <cbr_>     SET failed on device wlan0 ; Operation not supported.
[07:15] <tbasten> BuffaloSoldier, just 1 agp card and 1 pci card
[07:15] <cbr_> why ?
[07:16] <Raskall> Is breezy worth a try now? Due to my job hunting situation I need a functioning system 24/7 with at least the possibility to send/receive emails, edit my CV in OOo and write applications also in OOo.
[07:16] <b0urn3> how can i play internet radio saved as a .pls?   do i need to download a plugin?
[07:16] <usynic> cbr_: you root?
[07:16] <cbr_> yes
[07:16] <cbr_> iam
[07:16] <usynic> cbr_: maybe your driver doesn't support wep
[07:16] <thoreauputic> Raskall: then stay away from Breezy for a while
[07:16] <amichai> thoreauputic, my motherboard is gigabyte and it says k7 triton, my cpu is amd athlon XP 2000+. Do i need k7 or 686?
[07:17] <cbr_> im using a prism2_usb wlan adapter
[07:17] <cbr_> d-link dwl-122
[07:17] <thoreauputic> amichai: k7 I'd say
[07:17] <Raskall> thoreauputic: :/ too bad. I'd love to stay tuned with the progress of breezy.
[07:17] <amichai> thoreauputic, and i shouldnt get 2.6.11 right?
[07:17] <transgress> does multiverse have a libdvdcss file or do i need to download something else that has that in it?
[07:17] <thoreauputic> amichai: 2.6.11 has ... issues
[07:17] <tbasten> Hello? Anyone here?
[07:17] <cbr_> i thought the prism2 chipset are fully supportet by linux
[07:17] <RichG> can someone please tell me what the GID of the admin group should be? mine is missing and I need to re-create it
[07:17] <cbr_> ;)
[07:17] <usynic> cbr_: give me an example of how you're typing in the wep command\
[07:18] <bhna> transgress: you need another repo
[07:18] <fdghdfhgdf> can anyone help me out getting the ubuntu system to play nice with all the various applications?
[07:18] <transgress> bhna: how so?  i didn't add any special repo's on my lappy and have it
[07:18] <tbasten> fdghdfhgdf, rofl
[07:18] <thoreauputic> Raskall: breezy has like hundreds of updates happening - it's risky at the moment
[07:18] <cbr_> usynic, ok
[07:18] <transgress> bhna: just can't remember where i got it... but i know i got it from apt
[07:18] <cbr_> root@iMac:/home/cbr # iwconfig wlan0 key d5aaddeb257b7ed2be0794911a
[07:18] <cbr_> Error for wireless request "Set Encode" (8B2A) :
[07:18] <cbr_>     SET failed on device wlan0 ; Operation not supported.
[07:19] <fdghdfhgdf> tbasten: what?
[07:19] <bhna> look at ubuntu wiki search for restrictedformats
[07:19] <cbr_> plz dont wardrivin me =)
[07:19] <amichai> thoreauputic, thanx
[07:19] <amichai> thandavarayan, thanx
[07:19] <Raskall> thoreauputic: maybe I'll just run it as a vmware-guest.
[07:19] <thoreauputic> Raskall: that seems wise
[07:19] <tbasten> NERDS!
[07:19] <thandavarayan> amichai: you got or
[07:19] <tbasten> NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERDS
[07:19] <tbasten> :p
[07:19] <amichai> thandavarayan, ?
[07:19] <bhna> transgress:  look at ubuntu wiki search for restrictedformats
[07:20] <Justin> Raskall: um, and the current release can't send emails and run OOo?
[07:20] <thoreauputic> tbasten: this is an IRC channel - what were you expecting ? ;P
[07:20] <Raskall> thoreauputic: I started a dist-upgrade two weeks ago or something, but regretted and aborted during the downloads.
[07:20] <usynic> cbr_: wow, that's quite the key there.
[07:20] <bhna> transgress: marilatt repo
[07:20] <thandavarayan> amichai: gettting the kernel....
[07:20] <Raskall> Justin: yes, but it won't let me keep up with the progress of breezy.
[07:20] <cbr_> usynic, no matter the key are changed in a few seconds
[07:20] <amichai> thandavarayan, yes man
[07:20] <usynic> cbr_: no, I just meant it's long.
[07:20] <Justin> Raskall: do you _really_ care?
[07:20] <thandavarayan> amichai: if you are so eager, you can try to compile from the source
[07:20] <usynic> cbr_: mine are WAY shorter :)
[07:20] <transgress> okay is there just a lot of extra crap for amd64 then?  because i know i didn't add marillat... i was going too... but didn't
[07:21] <thandavarayan> amichai: I had much fun in that way.
[07:21] <amichai> thandavarayan, man kinda scary
[07:21] <Raskall> Justin: yes. I'd like to contribute with bug reports and testing for this fabulous distribution.
[07:21] <cbr_> usynic, aircrack need 4 hours =)
[07:21] <Raskall> Justin: but I do not code.
[07:21] <tbasten> anyone had much experience with a dual monitor setup?
[07:21] <usynic> cbr_: hrmm, well, I dunno.  It looks ok to me - the syntax is correct.  Has this same thing worked in other distros on this machine?
[07:21] <panjhy__> hi all. i just want to know if hibernate feature works with ubuntu installed on a laptop ?
[07:22] <thandavarayan> amichai: no no,
[07:22] <thoreauputic> tbasten: it would seem all the dual monitor gurus are asleep...
[07:22] <amichai> thandavarayan, worth it?
[07:22] <tbasten> thoreauputic,  *crys*
[07:22] <cbr_> usynic, i tryed only with osx 10.2 and it works
[07:22] <tbasten> thoreauputic, been trying to get it to work for most of the day
[07:22] <usynic> cbr_: I'd google for your exact chipset and make sure it supports wep
[07:22] <usynic> (in linux)
[07:22] <thandavarayan> amichai: you can learn a lot with that way, but you need to spend an hour to get the things
[07:23] <thoreauputic> panjhy__: there are rather a lot of laptops - I guess it depends which ones
[07:23] <panjhy__> thoreauputic: ok thx, i'll try :)
[07:23] <amichai> thandavarayan, yeah dont have that time now
[07:23] <thandavarayan> amichai: ok
[07:24] <thandavarayan> amichai: are you a student or a professional
[07:24] <cbr_> hmm
[07:24] <cbr_> im tryin this: wlanctl-ng wlan0 dot11req_mibset mibattribute=dot11WEPDefaultKey0=
[07:24] <amichai> thandavarayan, professional, y?
[07:25] <thandavarayan> amichai: then time is a very important factor
[07:25] <RichG> `sudo grep admin /etc/group` <--- I just need the output of that command... pleassse! >_<
[07:25] <transgress> shower time later
[07:26] <amichai> thandavarayan, i'll do it. i tried debian the other day. screwed everything up.
[07:26] <amichai> thandavarayan, everything was an error
[07:26] <thoreauputic> RichG: the group is adm , not admin
[07:26] <thandavarayan> amichai: debian is the only distro which I love to install...
[07:26] <RichG> ...
[07:26] <cbr_> mibattribute="data_string_too_short"
[07:26] <cbr_> message=dot11req_mibset
[07:26] <cbr_>   mibattribute=data_string_too_short
[07:26] <cbr_>   resultcode=no_value
[07:26] <cbr_> h ?
[07:27] <amichai> thandavarayan, man i worked on it fo four hours, and then puff all was wrong
[07:27] <thandavarayan> amichai: I can ask you more, if we are in appropriate channel
[07:27] <thoreauputic> RichG: that command returns lpadmin, which is different of course
[07:28] <RichG> okay thanks
[07:28] <amichai> thandavarayan, about what?
[07:28] <tbasten> Any dual monitors awake/on?
[07:28] <thandavarayan> amichai: the problems that you got during installation
[07:28] <tbasten> dual monitor users*
[07:29] <amichai> thandavarayan, man i dont even remember, the main one was xfree
[07:29] <thandavarayan> amichai: xfree what was the problem
[07:30] <amichai> thandavarayan, i'm accepting ur chat, doesn't seem to work
[07:30] <amichai> thandavarayan, wouldnt start
[07:30] <cbr_> hehe i'm forgotten the : between the hex pairs
[07:30] <thandavarayan> amichai: can you try, from your side
[07:30] <amichai> thandavarayan, x server wouldnt start, then i went to #debian nobody was helping me, then i came here and everyone was helping me, with debian.
[07:31] <aseigo_> tbasten: i have 2 monitors on this system. though it's not my (k)ubuntu system
[07:31] <tbasten> aseigo_, so u didnt set it up?
[07:31] <aseigo_> tbasten: not with kubuntu, no... my xinerama machine is SUSE (the one i'm typing on right now... the kubuntu box is over there *points to end of desk*)
[07:32] <thandavarayan> amichai: I come  occasionally to discussion
[07:32] <amichai> thandavarayan, so then i switched back to ubuntu
[07:32] <aseigo_> tbasten: are you having problems with it?
[07:32] <Get_xandros> !seen iv*
[07:32] <thandavarayan> amichai: best distro (debian) that I seen so for.
[07:33] <tbasten> aseigo_, well i have 2 video cards. just cant seem to get other card working. i think its cause i dont have the modules for it
[07:33] <aseigo_> tbasten: ah ... that's most likely .. what sort of card?
[07:33] <tbasten> aseigo_, s3
[07:33] <tbasten> trio
[07:33] <tbasten> 64
[07:33] <tbasten> aseigo_, s3 trio64* :P
[07:34] <thoreauputic> tbasten: that's an old card - i have one on a Pentium 200MMX :/
[07:34] <tbasten> lol
[07:34] <Dr_Willis> egads. :P
[07:34] <tbasten> its on secondry card
[07:34] <tbasten> just want it for music player and chat ect
[07:34] <amichai> thandavarayan, i've only used fedora 2 and 3, mandrake and ubuntu. ubuntu is my fav.
[07:34] <tbasten> my main card is nvidia
[07:35] <thoreauputic> tbasten: if it's the one I have, it isn't supported in xfree 4.3 even
[07:35] <tbasten> aseigo_, *cry*
[07:35] <thoreauputic> tbasten: I think I have it running on a vesa driver
[07:36] <jupiterste> In the "AntSpotlight" XScreensaver, if there is no desktop image, just the ant, is that a sign that OpenGL is not working?
[07:36] <tbasten> thoreauputic, um, any idea how i get the vesa driver... let me guess, i have to complie a new kernel
[07:36] <thoreauputic> tbasten: no, it's a standard generic driver
[07:36] <tbasten> so i dont need to recompile?
[07:36] <thoreauputic> tbasten: no - try sudo modprobe vesa
[07:36] <thoreauputic> I think
[07:37] <tbasten> um
[07:37] <tbasten> k
[07:37] <imachine> EHLO #ubuntu
[07:37] <tbasten> FATAL: Module vesa not found.
[07:37] <tbasten> hi imachine
[07:37] <thoreauputic> try vesafb
[07:37] <imachine> question: can i install Ubuntu from the livecd?
[07:37] <Justin> uh, the vesafb driver has nothing to do with X
[07:37] <imachine> or through the ftp ?
[07:37] <tbasten> thoreauputic, that worked
[07:37] <tbasten> k
[07:37] <tbasten> brb
[07:38] <imachine> im very positevly charged from what i see here.
[07:38] <imachine> i get around 300 more fps with glxgears than i do in freebsd ;-) with the same settings.
[07:38] <imachine> ofcourse its apples and oranges, but i will go with ti ;-)
[07:39] <wm_eddie> Does anyone know where I can get in touch with the authors of the clearlooks theme?
[07:39] <Delgul> I have a problem getting my alsa to work with a nforce4 chipset. Any known issues there for hoary?
[07:39] <imachine> wm_eddie: google.
[07:39] <imachine> "knowsitall" :-)
[07:40] <imachine> othwesaie, is there some guide for Ubuntu install?
[07:40] <wm_eddie> I seriosly don't know why I didn't think of that.
[07:40] <imachine> i checked bfiefly the ubuntu.org but there isnt much that ive seen :-)
[07:40] <imachine> wm_eddie: ;-)
[07:40] <imachine> sometimes the simplest solutions are the hardest ;[
[07:41] <ubuntu_> #linux-slsk_italia
[07:41] <ubuntu_> -_-'
[07:42] <thandavarayan> Delgul: did you check that in ubuntu.com website about the supported hardware
[07:43] <bassMonkey> does anyone know if amule 2.0.0 will be available through backports?
[07:44] <crimsun> no idea, but backports can be problematic. I strongly advise caution.
[07:46] <transgress> what is this broken dependencies crap i get with marillat?
[07:47] <transgress> the deps are all there... but they won't install
[07:47] <Justin> transgress: use multiverse instead
[07:47] <transgress> Justin: i think i hate you.
[07:47] <transgress> Justin: tried using multiverse... you told me i needed marillat
[07:47] <amichai> can i add debian testing to sources?
[07:47] <Justin> no I didn't
[07:48] <crimsun> amichai: it'd be a bad idea
[07:48] <p0si> does anyone have an idea why firefox on ubuntu (gnome? X?) behaves slower than on windows? :-(
[07:48] <tbasten> thoreauputic, i got it working but how do i get the second monitor to go into the gui
[07:48] <Justin> you can get libdvdcss and w32codecs from marillat, most everything else is in multiverse
[07:48] <crimsun> amichai: chances are you can find the software you need in universe or multiverse
[07:48] <transgress> Justin: my bad... you're right.  i apologize.
[07:48] <crimsun> transgress: you need to explicitly pass a version
[07:48] <thoreauputic> tbasten: hat I don't know
[07:48] <transgress> Justin: i'm just getting stressed
[07:48] <thoreauputic> *that
[07:48] <tbasten> k
[07:49] <tbasten> anyone using dual monitor setup at the moment?
[07:49] <transgress> Justin: hope you don't take me as too big of a dick for that
[07:49] <thoreauputic> tbasten: BTW the module was definitely vesa - i just checked
[07:49] <crimsun> transgress: for instance, aptitude install mplayer-586=1.0-pre6-0.3ubuntu6
[07:49] <p0si> tbasten: I have 3 running at the moment
[07:50] <transgress> crimsun: tried that, but it gave me the broken deps error
[07:50] <tbasten> thoreauputic, ok, so how do i get that module?
[07:50] <crimsun> transgress: which debian-marillat line are you using, testing or unstable?
[07:50] <transgress> umm let me look
[07:50] <tbasten> p0si, ok here is the problem, i cant get my 2nd monitor/video card to work
[07:50] <transgress> it was whatever was in the wiki
[07:50] <thoreauputic> tbasten: it should be standard in all kernels AFAIK
[07:50] <transgress> crimsun: unstable
[07:51] <transgress> turn it to testing?
[07:51] <crimsun> transgress: yes
[07:51] <p0si> tbasten: checked the logfile whats wrong?
[07:51] <dazzed> im bored....what to do what to do
[07:51] <tbasten> um
[07:51] <tbasten> p0si, sorry for the noob question, but where is that
[07:52] <p0si> tbasten: what I usually do is: add device entry in x conf, add screen entry, add screen to layout and add xinerama option
[07:52] <tbasten> thoreauputic, /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/vesa_drv.o
[07:52] <p0si> tbasten: /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[07:52] <tbasten> p0si, ok, i have added the following into my xorg.conf
[07:52] <thoreauputic> tbasten: UnreA|Lbe afraid - be very afraid
[07:53] <bezibaerchen> what can i do, if a package on apt-get upgrade is kept back? how can i update it?
[07:53] <transgress> should i just get libdvdcss from marillat?  and then turn it off?  or are there other libs i need for dvd's?
[07:53] <imachine> 
[07:53] <tbasten> the video card, the monitor, and then added into the layout
[07:53] <thoreauputic> oops
[07:53] <thoreauputic> haha
[07:53] <thoreauputic> UnreA|L: enjoy my ctcp reply?
[07:54] <imachine> eh
[07:54] <imachine> so is there some good documentation on ubuntu or istnt there?
[07:54] <bezibaerchen> what can i do, if a package on apt-get upgrade is kept back? how can i update it?
[07:54] <thoreauputic> UnreA|L: and why the heck did you version the whole channel?
[07:54] <ralf> has ubuntu x.org and gnome 2.10?
[07:55] <Bachus9000> imachine: the wiki has a wealth of information..
[07:55] <Choubaka> thoreauputic: just ignore him.
[07:55] <p0si> tbasten: is the sever running without 2nd card or not starting at all? check the logfile if the drivers were loaded right and the cards were detected
[07:55] <imachine> Bachus9000: i see.
[07:57] <Burgundavia> ralf, hoary does
[07:57] <amichai> is there any association between debian and ubuntu developers?
[07:57] <Burgundavia> amichai, a fair number of them are already DD's
[07:57] <transgress> hey anyone know what i need to decode audio with mplayer?  it keeps crashing on decode_audio when i try to play a dvd
[07:57] <Bachus9000> OK, guys.  I've got a Compaq Presario 2199US and I just installed Hoary on it.  CPU speed throttling works fine as do some of the multimedia keys, but what I'm trying to get working now is the "fn" key.  Specifically, fn+F1 and fn+F2 which dim and brighten the LCD.  Interestingly enough, fn+other keys seem to work (you can hold down fn and use the right half of the keyboard as a numpad and this works fine).  fn+F1/F2 does nothing, however.
[07:57] <tbasten> p0si, hang on a sex
[07:58] <tbasten> sec*
[07:58] <amichai> Burgundavia, meaning?
[07:58] <Burgundavia> amichai, Ubuntu devs were hired from the Debian community
[07:58] <crimsun> amichai: I'm pretty sure all the Ubuntu developers are Debian developers.
[07:58] <Burgundavia> amichai, DD = Debian Developers
[07:58] <Burgundavia> crimsun, incorrect, jdub isn't
[07:58] <crimsun> ah, true.
[07:58] <Burgundavia> but I think he is the only one
[07:59] <chet__> is there a way to edit gnome program menu for changing/adding icons?
[07:59] <amichai> so all u guys use debian in addition?
[07:59] <Burgundavia> amichai, nope
[07:59] <Burgundavia> chet__, check the forums, under 3rd party stuff
[07:59] <amichai> Burgundavia, dont use debian anymore?
[07:59] <chet__> thanks
[07:59] <goldfish> Bachus9000: you cud tring having a search on ubuntuforums.org
[07:59] <Burgundavia> amichai, never did. Moved from RH 8 to Ubuntu
[07:59] <thoreauputic> amichai: some do, some don't
[08:00] <amichai> crimsun, ?
[08:00] <Burgundavia> generally, Ubuntu has attracted people from all sides of the linux community
[08:00] <crimsun> amichai: yes, I still use Sid.
[08:00] <amichai> i dont get it. i aska  qeustion here i get and answer, i ask a question in #debian i get shouted for having probs with debian
[08:00] <Bachus9000> goldfish: I have been. :)
[08:01] <Burgundavia> amichai, long history about #debian
[08:01] <goldfish> Bachus9000: ah right :/
[08:01] <amichai> maybe just a bad day
[08:01] <thoreauputic> amichai: #debian has .. erm.. areputation
[08:01] <goldfish> Bachus9000: i have the same thing with my dell, fn only works for brightness :/
[08:01] <Burgundavia> thoreauputic, a mild understatement
[08:01] <goldfish> never bothered trying to get it working though
[08:01] <amichai> Burgundavia, thoreauputic meaning?
[08:01] <thoreauputic> amichai: there are some idiots in #debian, but also some knowledgeable people
[08:01] <Burgundavia> amichai, #debian is not the world friendliest channel
[08:02] <thoreauputic> amichai: it's a good place to lurk :)
[08:02] <Bachus9000> goldfish: I'd rather have your problem personally. :)
[08:02] <goldfish> Bachus9000: hehe, good luck!
[08:02] <amichai> thoreauputic, u have some guy who doesnt know anything, with that attitude why would he want debian? he needs to know that he can get help when he needs it. same for companies.
[08:03] <St0n3-C0l> is there any updates available for hoary..or switch to Breezy repos ??
[08:03] <thoreauputic> amichai: I learnt a lot in #debian, but the fringe dwellers in there finally got boring for me
[08:03] <Burgundavia> St0n3-C0l, updates to hoary are only security
[08:03] <drspin> how can I enable Nvidia FastWrites?? I've a few methods that I've found online and nothing seems to work
[08:03] <crimsun> St0n3-C0l: Hoary was frozen April 8th.
[08:03] <thoreauputic> amichai: the problem isn't with debian, but with a few arrogant jerks
[08:03] <Burgundavia> St0n3-C0l, if you want new packages, use Breezy (not recommended)
[08:03] <jk> or ubuntu-backports
[08:03] <amichai> thoreauputic, good to know, i gtg thanx :)
[08:03] <crimsun> drspin: pass the options when it's inserted
[08:04] <crimsun> drspin: modinfo nvidia
[08:04] <thandavarayan> amichai: regarding what type of arrogancy
[08:04] <St0n3-C0l> Burgundavia: Really..not recommended :P bcoz it messed my system
[08:05] <drspin> crimsun: thanks I'll look into it...
[08:05] <Burgundavia> St0n3-C0l, lol
[08:05] <thoreauputic> thandavarayan: some of the #debian people think they are God's gift to computing, apparently (only a few, i hasten to add)
[08:05] <St0n3-C0l> One friend told me that Breezy got some toolchains probs...and everytime I was running './configure' was giving me cpp errors..which was not in Hoary
[08:06] <dazzed> lol thoreauputic
[08:06] <UnreA|L> how i can view games list with apt ?
[08:06] <St0n3-C0l> haha
[08:06] <St0n3-C0l> thoreauputic: God only gift us non-evil things :P
[08:06] <drspin> crimsun: I've tried puttin the "Option line" in /etc/modutils/nvidia-kernel-nkc -> Didn't work...
[08:07] <thoreauputic> St0n3-C0l: yes - pass that on to the guys concerned in #debian ;-)
[08:07] <St0n3-C0l> you know them..you pass :P
[08:07] <crimsun> drspin: /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-kernel-nkc
[08:07] <St0n3-C0l> firefox-1.0.3 packaged for ubuntu ??
[08:07] <crimsun> drspin: and which option line did you use?
[08:08] <thoreauputic> St0n3-C0l: I don't go there much these days ;)
[08:08] <St0n3-C0l> one thing...how do I enable scrollwheel ??
[08:08] <St0n3-C0l> haha
[08:08] <bhna> St0n3-C0l: in the backports
[08:08] <St0n3-C0l> bhna: ahan thanks ;)
[08:09] <drspin> crimsun: /* $cat /etc/modutils/nvidia-kernel-nkc */
[08:09] <drspin> alias char-major-195 nvidia
[08:09] <drspin> options nvidia NVreg_EnableAGPFW=1
[08:09] <St0n3-C0l> well..if anyone knows how do I enable scrollwheel..please msg me in pvt (I'll thankful to him) bcoz I'm going out for few mins.
[08:10] <^thehatsrule^> St0n3-C0l, it should be in your xorg conf
[08:10] <^thehatsrule^> thats where it was in xfree, so im guessing its the same
[08:11] <Bachus9000> goldfish: Oddly enough, I just put a Knoppix (3.6) disc in it and booted..and the fn key works perfectly. :/
[08:11] <rrichie> hi all
[08:11] <rrichie> has anyone managed to configure vpnc ?
[08:11] <crimsun> drspin: you appear to have missed the part about modprobe.d ...
[08:12] <bhna> Option  "ZAxisMapping"  "4 5"
[08:12] <bhna>  St0n3-C0l: Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"
[08:12] <Fulg> how do i change from a desktop to another ?is there a shortcut key ?
[08:12] <drspin> crimsun: I actually just found the nvidia-kernel-nkc in /etc/modprobe.d -- I also notice that the alias was 195* rather than just 195 -- that have anthing to do with it??
[08:13] <crimsun> drspin: not really.
[08:13] <bhna> St0n3-C0l: in Section InputDevice
[08:13] <crimsun> drspin: but the fw parameter needs to go into the file in /etc/modprobe.d/
[08:13] <tbasten> p0si, ok, i am back
[08:13] <thandavarayan> Fulg: which window manager
[08:13] <tbasten> p0si, where were we?
[08:13] <thoreauputic> bhna: he's away - I just msg ed that to him ;)
[08:13] <Fulg> gnome
[08:14] <Fulg> gdm
[08:14] <drspin> crimsun: thanks - going to give that a try
[08:14] <drspin> brb
[08:14] <tbasten> ok, anyone know how i can get the vesa module
[08:14] <tbasten> do i have to compile another kernel?
[08:14] <bhna> thoreauputic: thanks ;-)
[08:14] <sf2k5> should already be there
[08:14] <tbasten> nope
[08:14] <tbasten> only these
[08:15] <tbasten> /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/initrd/vesafb.ko
[08:15] <tbasten> /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/drivers/video/vesafb.ko
[08:15] <tbasten> /usr/sbin/setvesablank
[08:15] <tbasten> /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/vesa_drv.o
[08:15] <tbasten> /usr/X11R6/man/man4/vesa.4x.gz
[08:15] <tbasten> /usr/share/doc/xserver-xorg/examples/vesamodes.gz
[08:15] <tbasten> /usr/share/doc/libsvga1/README.vesa
[08:15] <tbasten> /usr/share/man/man8/setvesablank.8.gz
[08:15] <goldfish> Bachus9000: Weird :/
[08:15] <tbasten> can i just like copy it from some where
[08:15] <krisg> hi how can i access my MP3 files on my Windows partision. I have dualbooted it.
[08:15] <tbasten> krischan, mount it
[08:16] <sf2k5> krisg: ntfs is read only btw
[08:16] <krisg> ic
[08:16] <tbasten> krischan, sudo mount /media/*whereuwantit* /dev/*location of partition
[08:16] <krisg> thnx!
[08:16] <tbasten> np
[08:16] <sf2k5> you want to use the vesa X driver, correct (krisg)
[08:16] <UnreA|L> to fat32 can write
[08:17] <tbasten> sf2k5, i do
[08:17] <sf2k5> ack thanks
[08:17] <krisg> thnx!
[08:17] <thoreauputic> krisg: /dev/hda1       /mnt/winXP      ntfs    noauto,users,exec,ro,uid=1000.gid=1000  0 0   << /etc/fstab
[08:17] <thoreauputic> krisg: that's what I have in /etc/fstab
[08:17] <slappy15> mkdir /mnt/winXP
[08:18] <sf2k5> then mount /media/winXP
[08:18] <masterloki> hi there how can I know which is my sound chip
[08:18] <krisg> thnx!
[08:18] <sf2k5> lspci
[08:18] <usynic> any photographers in?
[08:18] <thoreauputic> krisg: without the << /etc/fstab of course :)
[08:18] <masterloki> VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 50)
[08:18] <usynic> what's a good app to manage images from a digital camera?
[08:18] <UnreA|L> what grapichal client is best fluxbox or gnome ?
[08:19] <masterloki> but i have no sound
[08:19] <masterloki> i already try alsamixer
[08:19] <^thehatsrule^> up to you UnreA|L....
[08:19] <UnreA|L> alsamixer
[08:19] <Fulg> ctr+alt+left
[08:19] <sf2k5> lsmod |grep snd
[08:19] <thoreauputic> UnreA|L: that's like saying which is best, a jeep or a ford?
[08:19] <thandavarayan> Fulg: thats for metacity, I guess also for sawfish
[08:20] <FlyingSquirrel32> when I try to install acroread, I get the following errors: acroread:
[08:20] <FlyingSquirrel32>   Depends: libglib2.0-0 but 2.4.7-0ubuntu2 is to be installed
[08:20] <FlyingSquirrel32>   Depends: libgtk2.0-0 but 2.4.10-1ubuntu1.1 is to be installed
[08:20] <FlyingSquirrel32>   Depends: libpango1.0-0 but 1.6.0b-0ubuntu1 is to be installed
[08:20] <tbasten> ok, no do i have to compile a new kernel in order to get the vesa module
[08:20] <UnreA|L> what fluxbox size ?
[08:20] <thoreauputic> UnreA|L: tiny
[08:20] <thoreauputic> < 1 MB
[08:20] <sf2k5> just add vesa to the your xorg file in /etc/X11/xorg
[08:20] <thandavarayan> FlyingSquirrel32: dependency problem
[08:20] <tbasten> ok, now do i have to compile a new kernel in order to get the vesa module
[08:20] <FlyingSquirrel32> FlyingSquirrel32: What do I need to do to resolve this?
[08:20] <wastrel> masterloki:  head -c 100 /dev/dsp
[08:21] <sf2k5> look for existing module, in my case Driver    "ati"
[08:21] <masterloki>  try
[08:21] <thandavarayan> FlyingSquirrel32: Is acroread distributed by ubuntu
[08:21] <UnreA|L> what gnome size with standart programs ?
[08:21] <tbasten> i have got 2 video cards, i am trying to get 2nd on working
[08:21] <UnreA|L> how i can download fluxbox ?
[08:21] <sf2k5> apt-get install fluxbox
[08:21] <thoreauputic> UnreA|L: sudo apt-get install fluxbox
[08:22] <masterloki> what am i looking with  head -c 100 /dev/dsp and lsmod | grep snd?
[08:22] <thandavarayan> UnreA|L: only if ubuntu distributes that
[08:22] <wastrel> no grep
[08:22] <thandavarayan> UnreA|L: otherwise have to compile from source
[08:22] <wastrel> ah the lsmod is looking for your sound card
[08:22] <thoreauputic> thandavarayan: it's in the repositories
[08:22] <tbasten> can someone give me a streight answer. How do i get the module vesa. Do i have to compile a kernel?
[08:22] <wastrel> masterloki:  the head -c 100   is looking for   1. does /dev/dsp exist.   2.  is there any output at all
[08:22] <tbasten> yes/no
[08:23] <thandavarayan> thoreauputic: then ok, just pull the *.debs and enjoy
[08:23] <wastrel> tbasten:  vesafb?
[08:23] <UnreA|L> i have kubuntu and i want download other grapichal client like gnome, fluxbox
[08:23] <tbasten> wastrel, nope
[08:23] <UnreA|L> with apt
[08:23] <thoreauputic> tbasten: unless xorg has no vesa, you don't have to compile anything ( I have warty still)
[08:23] <masterloki>  head -c 100 /dev/dsp returned only "squares"
[08:23] <wastrel> masterloki:  that's good it means your sound device is working.
[08:23] <masterloki> and lsmod returned sound card data
[08:24] <tbasten> so i will have to is the answer
[08:24] <masterloki> then what do i have no snd
[08:24] <drspin> crimsun: thanks man - FastWrites are enabled now -- but I don't see any change in FPS -- haven't tried fullscreen except Q3 but I don't know how check FPS -- it seemed to run the same though
[08:24] <UnreA|L> if i download fluxbox
[08:25] <FlyingSquirrel32> thandavarayan: don't think so, I'm following the directions on:http://ubuntuguide.org/4.10/index.html
[08:25] <drspin> crimsun: glxgears repirts the SAME
[08:25] <wastrel> make sure your channels aren't muted (alsamixer) and make sure your speakers are on & volume isn't set to zero and they're plugged in to the right jack :] 
[08:25] <thoreauputic> tbasten: or get a different vid card - the S3 trio is pretty ancient and basic
[08:25] <UnreA|L> my programs not remove
[08:25] <UnreA|L> like firefox and other
[08:25] <thoreauputic> UnreA|L: none of them will be removed
[08:26] <thandavarayan> FlyingSquirrel32: reg fluxbox are you talking about
[08:26] <tbasten> thoreauputic, thats all i need for the job
[08:26] <dantheman> do you all use xchat? or is there a better irc client?
[08:26] <sig> UnreA|L: try a: apt-get remove --purege programname
[08:26] <sig> errr
[08:26] <sig> apt-get remove --purge packagename
[08:26] <FlyingSquirrel32> thandavarayan: don't know what fluxbox is. kinda new.
[08:26] <thandavarayan> FlyingSquirrel32: fluxbox is a window manage
[08:26] <thandavarayan> FlyingSquirrel32: window manager
[08:27] <wastrel> <3 xchat
[08:27] <thandavarayan> FlyingSquirrel32: like metacity
[08:27] <tbasten> dantheman, i use bitchX
[08:27] <masterloki> master pcm surround center lfe line cd pc_speak aux all are on and 100%
[08:27] <FlyingSquirrel32> thandavarayan:I'm running gnome
[08:27] <FlyingSquirrel32> thandavarayan: or am i on the wrong page
[08:27] <thandavarayan> FlyingSquirrel32: yes, you can run fluxbox in gnome, if you don't like metacity
[08:28] <thoreauputic> thandavarayan: I think you are confusing the issue
[08:28] <thandavarayan> FlyingSquirrel32: let me be clear, Do you want to install fluxbox or...
[08:28] <UnreA|L> why irsii client is very popular if you can use grapichal client...
[08:28] <FlyingSquirrel32> what is default in ubuntu warty? Still not sure the purpose.
[08:28] <masterloki> any idea?
[08:28] <tbasten> why use a gui for irc when u can use command line
[08:28] <dazzed> FlyingSquirrel32: fluxbox is a window manager for linux...gnome is default on ubuntu
[08:28] <thoreauputic> UnreA|L: because it's configurable, fast, simple, and useful over remote connections
[08:28] <terje> we need Macromedia Flash on the live CD dog
[08:28] <tbasten> lol
[08:29] <dantheman> tbasten: because we're sane
[08:29] <terje> can't be browsin w/o Flash
[08:29] <dazzed> FlyingSquirrel32: fluxbox looks like this www.trip-p.com/image/desktops/flux-blue-night.jpg
[08:29] <dantheman> i guess i could find a way to run it in emacs
[08:29] <wastrel> there's an irc client for emacs i believe
[08:29] <aseigo_> dazzed: 404 =)
[08:29] <dazzed> aseigo_: hmmm
[08:29] <aseigo_> pfft.. there a * for emacs.
[08:30] <krisg> hi i can see my file in /mnt/winXP now. But when i try to browse them using my File Browser it says 'You do not have the permissions.." how can i sudo there?
[08:30] <dazzed> my bad typed it wrong www.trip-p.com/images/desktops/flux-blue-night.jpg
[08:30] <tbasten> rofl@ irc for emacs
[08:31] <dantheman> man, i hate emacs
[08:31] <krisg> i type 'mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/winXP'
[08:31] <tbasten> i second that dantheman
[08:31] <wastrel> the only emacs command i know is ^Z
[08:31] <Xappe> krisg: change the permissions of the mountpoint
[08:31] <thandavarayan> dazzed: fluxbox is themeable window manger
[08:31] <krisg> how?
[08:31] <thandavarayan> dantheman: why so
[08:32] <tbasten> lol @ fluxbox
[08:32] <dazzed> thandavarayan: ...everything is a themeable window manager
[08:32] <dazzed> tbasten: fluxbox owns everything else nothing to lol at :)
[08:32] <dantheman> i had to use it in my freshman year of CS here....when they told us we could use whatever editor we wanted in our 200-level classes, i switched to gedit
[08:32] <dantheman> it's so slow
[08:32] <tbasten> metacity ownz
[08:32] <thandavarayan> dazzed: but not all window managers
[08:32] <dantheman> and its behavior is weird
[08:32] <tbasten> um, that is a tricky question
[08:32] <dantheman> you can't always copy and paste consistently
[08:32] <dazzed> thandavarayan: 99.9% window managers
[08:32] <terje> dope dazzed..
[08:32] <terje> that's a cool lookin desktop
[08:32] <aseigo_> krisg: you may want to use the "user" option for the fs and then mount it for your user / with permissions your user can get at...
[08:32] <dazzed> terje: preciate it...i like it :()
[08:33] <tbasten> i no nerd so i cant give you nerdy explanation
[08:33] <thandavarayan> dazzed: okay ..?!?
[08:33] <CarlK> what is the mysql-server default admin user/pass ?
[08:33] <krisg> ic Thnx
[08:33] <dazzed> thandavarayan: i was just saying that your comment has nothing to do with what fluxbox is ;)
[08:34] <tbasten> can ya change between flux and metacity
[08:34] <tbasten> ?
[08:34] <wastrel> god metacity sucks
[08:34] <dazzed> tbasten: yes
[08:34] <thandavarayan> tbasten: question is not clear, do you want to know how to change from metacity to fluxbox ...
[08:35] <thandavarayan> wastrel: got that right
[08:35] <wastrel> i'd like metacity if it had more options :] 
[08:35] <tbasten> dazzed, via gdm?
[08:35] <wastrel> still i use it because i'm too lazy to change
[08:35] <dazzed> tbasten: you can set it up in your gdm sessions or you can change right from fluxbox menu if ud like
[08:36] <tbasten> can metacity have a start menu bar thingy (you know where all you quick launch and windows things are open)
[08:36] <dazzed> tbasten: i couldnt tell you i dont use metacity often (once i think )
[08:36] <tbasten> i mean flux
[08:37] <we2by> how do you install software on ubuntu?
[08:37] <we2by> is there gui for that?
[08:37] <we2by> or I still need my konsole?
[08:37] <thandavarayan> we2by: you can use the both
[08:37] <mjr> synaptic package manager
[08:37] <tbasten> no
[08:37] <tbasten> use synaptic
[08:37] <tbasten> system>admin>synaptic package manager
[08:37] <dazzed> the thing about fluxbox is that everything is in your 'menu' its controlled by right click to bring it up....and if you look here ( www.trip-p.com/images/desktops/flux-blue-night.jpg ) you can see my menu and what stuff i have on it
[08:37] <we2by> ok
[08:37] <thandavarayan> we2by: which ever is convenient for you
[08:37] <dazzed> tbasten: ^
[08:38] <tbasten> dazzed, nice. So how big ruffly is flux
[08:38] <dazzed> under 1mb
[08:38] <dazzed> ultra light
[08:38] <thoreauputic> tbasten: about 700KB :)
[08:38] <tbasten> omg
[08:38] <tbasten> serious
[08:38] <thoreauputic> yup
[08:38] <dazzed> yeah and really smooth
[08:38] <tbasten> what backend does it use?
[08:39] <thoreauputic> it doesn't need a back end
[08:39] <thoreauputic> other than X of course
[08:39] <tbasten> :S hmm
[08:39] <tbasten> so i am going to install it
[08:39] <tbasten> how do i change to see what its like then change back
[08:39] <thandavarayan> discussion has squinted to flux...
[08:40] <dazzed> tbasten: you log out of gnome and it will be in ur sessions menu
[08:40] <tbasten> kk
[08:40] <tbasten> now what is the package name
[08:40] <tbasten> flux-box?
[08:40] <thoreauputic> fluxbox
[08:40] <tbasten> kk
[08:40] <dazzed> yep
[08:40] <thoreauputic> funnily enough
[08:40] <tbasten> mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
[08:40] <tbasten> new stuff the mess with
[08:41] <thoreauputic> I think it's in universe
[08:41] <dazzed> but if you get into it and you like it a lot ...i highly suggest compiling your own (cuz it has been updated A BUNCH) since that package was made
[08:41] <tbasten> :P
[08:41] <thandavarayan> dazzed: you can also use it on gnome desktop
[08:41] <thandavarayan> dazzed: just kill the metacity and start fluxbox.
[08:41] <thoreauputic> dazzed: the hoary flux is fairly recent
[08:41] <dazzed> thandavarayan: that defeats tone of the main points of it
[08:41] <tbasten> dazzed, what do i need to learn to compile my own
[08:41] <dazzed> thoreauputic: hoary flux is 9.11 and 9.12 has fixed some major bugs in last couple of weeks (via svn)
[08:41] <thoreauputic> tbasten: try the package first
[08:41] <dazzed> yeah try package first
[08:42] <aseigo_> ... or any desktop that works with NETWM =)
[08:42] <tbasten> LS
[08:42] <thoreauputic> dazzed: I compiled 0.9.12 a month or so ago :)
[08:42] <tbasten> :S
[08:42] <tbasten> what do u mean by packe
[08:42] <tbasten> pacgage
[08:42] <tbasten> :S
[08:42] <tbasten> PACKAGE*
[08:42] <thoreauputic> tbasten: the .deb in synaptic/apt
[08:42] <dazzed> thoreauputic: your pretty set then for the most part...it just has fixed some of the systray bugs and transparency bugs so on and so on
[08:43] <thoreauputic> dazzed: haven't noticed any bugs here
[08:43] <tbasten> ok. Any links to set me on my way to do some cool stuff with fluxbox
[08:43] <thoreauputic> http://fluxbox.org
[08:43] <difeta> hey all! I've added a line to sudoers so that I can run /usr/sbin/firestarter as my regualr user without a password. but whenever i run sudo /usr/sbin/firestarter I'm asked for a password. Whats the deal?
[08:43] <thoreauputic> lots of good docs linked from there
[08:44] <tbasten> thanks
[08:44] <dazzed> thoreauputic: the one main bug of 9.12 is that when you drag windows to other workspaces it can get stuck in a never ending loop but if you dont do that then ur fine
[08:44] <tbasten> i think i might be around more in this irc channel to let yas now know i am going
[08:44] <dazzed> tbasten: also any help with fluxbox you can also join #fluxbox
[08:44] <Albacker> i used to have my usb pen drive installed in /dev/sda4. after installing linux again i cant mount the /dev/sda4 . . . any idea ?
[08:45] <tbasten> lol
[08:45] <tbasten> so u saying that flux is really quick?
[08:45] <krisg> where can i get the left toolbar in this picture? http://www.gnome-look.org/content/pre1/19839-1.png
[08:45] <dazzed> tbasten: thats what its all about ;)
[08:45] <aseigo_> krisg: gkrellm
[08:45] <difeta> krisg, thats gkrellm
[08:45] <tbasten> :D
[08:45] <krisg> thnx!
[08:45] <wastrel> ah but what theme is it?
[08:45] <dazzed> it uses next to 0 memory
[08:46] <dazzed> :)
[08:46] <tbasten> dazzed, but will it be able to support things like cairo?
[08:46] <thoreauputic> tbasten: quick and cool, like transparent menus and title bars etc
[08:46] <Balduran> hello
[08:46] <Albacker> root@galaxy:/home/eni/Documents/shkarkime/music # mount /dev/sda4 /mnt/sda
[08:46] <Albacker> mount: special device /dev/sda4 does not exist
[08:46] <dazzed> tbasten: i dont know what cairo is...im guessing its an app...and anything u can run on gnome u can run on flux
[08:46] <tbasten> Albacker, it doesnt exsit
[08:47] <tbasten> dazzed, its  a rendering engine for x
[08:47] <Albacker> tbasten, i used to have that. how can i enter my usb pen drive ?
[08:47] <dazzed> ahh well im sure its supported
[08:47] <thoreauputic> Albacker: see what lsusb says ?
[08:47] <tbasten> Albacker, plug it in
[08:47] <Balduran> ive bought a new isdn card, ubuntu found the card at the hardware controller, but i cant set up a connection at the network manager.. what should i do???
[08:47] <Albacker> tbasten, yeah it is pluged in
[08:48] <tbasten> lol
[08:48] <tbasten> got hotplug system running
[08:48] <Albacker> root@galaxy:/home/eni/Documents/shkarkime/music # lsusb
[08:48] <Albacker> root@galaxy:/home/eni/Documents/shkarkime/music #
[08:48] <thoreauputic> Albacker: try unplugging then re-plugging
[08:48] <Albacker> thoreauputic, tried that.
[08:48] <tbasten> thoreauputic, dazzed, catch yas round. I am going to try this fluxbox
[08:49] <dazzed> hope you like it :)
[08:49] <thoreauputic> tbasten: OK see you :)
[08:49] <tbasten> ;)
[08:49] <Albacker> flux rox
[08:49] <tbasten> peace out
[08:49] <Balduran> i need help
[08:49] <Albacker> and . . can someone help me ?
[08:49] <Dark3Lite> Can't find kernel sources in /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/build
[08:49] <Dark3Lite> how can I get rid of this error
[08:49] <_linux_newb> ^thehatsrule^, how are you?
[08:49] <thoreauputic> install the source?
[08:49] <Balduran> where can i set up my isdn card at the network manaager
[08:50] <Dark3Lite> i get that when I try to install source thoreauputic
[08:50] <tritium> Dark3Lite, you building a kernel module?  You can install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[08:50] <Dark3Lite> tritium
[08:50] <tritium> yes?
[08:50] <Dark3Lite> using ndis wrapper
[08:50] <Dark3Lite> to get my modem working
[08:50] <wastrel> hmm i need a new gnome theme
[08:50] <Albacker> guys what should i do ?
[08:50] <Dark3Lite> on my nx5000 hp laptop
[08:50] <wastrel> human is too brown for spring.
[08:51] <Dark3Lite> when I run the make for ndis..it gives me that error
[08:51] <thoreauputic> don't need source for that as tritium says
[08:51] <thoreauputic>  linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[08:51] <Dark3Lite> thanks
[08:51] <Balduran> is here somebody who have experience with isdn cards?
[08:51] <thoreauputic> wastrel: gnome-look.org
[08:51] <thoreauputic> or something like that
[08:52] <tbasten> mmmm flux is soooooooo fast
[08:52] <tritium> wastrel, you can also install gnome-themes-extras
[08:52] <Albacker> tbasten, use gnome-settings-daemon in flux
[08:52] <Albacker> ;)
[08:52] <wastrel> tritium:  thx
[08:52] <tbasten> Albacker, how do i do that?
[08:53] <dazzed> yeah
[08:53] <dazzed> you should add gnome-settings-daemon to your flux-startup
[08:53] <Albacker> tbasten, gnome-settings-daemon is the gnome app that that makes all windows look like you are in gnome
[08:53] <Albacker> its great
[08:54] <dazzed> tbasten: cd .fluxbox && sudo gedit startup
[08:54] <tbasten> ok, so how do i start it?
[08:54] <Albacker> tbasten,  since i dont use a login manager, ive added gnome-settings-daemon in ~/.xinitrc
[08:54] <tritium> wastrel, fyi, I found that using "apt-cache search themes | grep gnome"
[08:54] <dazzed> or you add it in xinitrc
[08:54] <Albacker> tbasten, open a terminal and type this over there.
[08:54] <Balduran> nobody here who can help me with my isdn card :-(
[08:54] <tbasten> k
[08:55] <tbasten> Balduran, try later on
[08:55] <^thehatsrule^> lol _linux_newb good :P
[08:55] <Albacker> can someone help me please about the USB pen drive problem ? i cant mount that ?
[08:55] <^thehatsrule^> Albacker, use mount /mnt/sda#
[08:56] <tritium> Albacker, try pmount instead
[08:56] <tbasten> brb guys
[08:56] <thoreauputic> Albacker: run tail -f /var/log/messages and plug it in - see what it shows as
[08:56] <tbasten> lol
[08:56] <tbasten> dazzed,
[08:56] <hussam> did ubuntu release an update to the kernel or is the latest 2.6.10-5, the one that shiped with ubuntu?
[08:56] <tritium> see the manpage for pmount
[08:56] <tbasten> dazzed, how do i log out :P
[08:56] <dazzed> right click...hit exit down at the bottom...or its in fluxbox menu
[08:57] <dazzed> look down at the bottom ( i made my own menu so i forgot what the original looks like) there should be flux config sub menu...just look for where it says 'exit'
[08:57] <Dark3Lite> tritium
[08:57] <Dark3Lite> thanks that worked..
[08:57] <Dark3Lite> had to install gcc
[08:57] <thoreauputic> dazzed: I guess that worked ;)
[08:57] <tritium> Dark3Lite, super :)
[08:57] <Dark3Lite> but..having a little probs
[08:57] <dazzed> i guess so :)
[08:57] <Dark3Lite> how do I specify the driver
[08:57] <Albacker> ive tried /mnt/sda* and nothing worked !
[08:57] <tritium> Dark3Lite, you might want to install build-essential
[08:57] <Dark3Lite> for the modem using the ndis wrapper
[08:57] <jackmacokc> whats the problem albacker?
[08:57] <tritium> Dark3Lite, no idea about ndiswrapper, as I've never used it
[08:57] <Dark3Lite> aiight cool
[08:57] <Dark3Lite> thanks
[08:57] <tritium> np
[08:58] <dazzed> Dark3Lite:  what kind of modem you trying to install?
[08:58] <Albacker> jackmacokc, root@galaxy:/home/eni/Documents/shkarkime/music # mount /dev/sda4 /mnt/sda
[08:58] <Albacker> mount: special device /dev/sda4 does not exist
[08:58] <dazzed> nidswrapper is for specific devices and i dont think its for modems
[08:58] <Albacker> jackmacokc, i used to use that.
[08:58] <thoreauputic> Albacker: http://www.debian-administration.org/?article=126
[08:59] <tbasten> thoreauputic, dazzed, you on msn or something like that
[08:59] <jackmacokc> albacker, are you just trying to mount an sata drive?
[08:59] <Balduran> how can i install things with dpkg
[08:59] <tbasten> dpkg -i *debname*
[08:59] <thoreauputic> tbasten: I'm on ICQ but not right now
[08:59] <dantheman> dpkg -i package.deb
[09:00] <tbasten> k
[09:00] <Balduran> everytime i get the message "status database is used by another process" O_o
[09:00] <Albacker> jackmacokc, thats how i mounted that before reinstalling linux
[09:00] <tbasten> um, do u know how to change to size of the menu font ect in fluxbox
[09:00] <Albacker> thoreauputic, thanks, ill read that
[09:00] <emann> .... Question... Now I have tried 4 different Install CD\s... and each one of them have made an fault about installing ifremname or something like that / is that something anyone of you have experienced _
[09:00] <hussam> how can I get a compile 2.6.11 kernel?
[09:00] <thoreauputic> Albacker: I think it might help
[09:01] <jackmacokc> albacker, why dont you just add it to your fstab?
[09:01] <Thorrn4> hello! I just booted into xfce...and there is no bottom application bar
[09:02] <Thorrn4> what can I do the get the application bar back
[09:02] <tbasten> thoreauputic, how do i set a background
[09:02] <thoreauputic> hussam: 2.6.11 is unstable and not recommended
[09:02] <Epix> hi, whats a good linux game for a lan party/online play?
[09:02] <Albacker> jackmacokc, if it doesnt mount with mount, how can fstab do that ?
[09:02] <jackmacokc> Epix: Enemy Territory
[09:02] <thoreauputic> tbasten: fbsetbg /path /to/image
[09:02] <Thorrn4> Epix, Wolfenstein Enemy Territory
[09:02] <Epix> Thorrn4, i dont like that game much. i dont like how theres no DM
[09:03] <Epix> Thorrn4, any other recomendations?
[09:03] <Thorrn4> ummm.....try Cube; its also a FTP
[09:03] <Thorrn4> but I have not tried it out
[09:03] <thoreauputic> tbasten: to set the last image, fbsetbg -l
[09:03] <Thorrn4> does any1 know how to get the bottom panel bar back?
[09:04] <firas> hi all
[09:04] <rottis> hi
[09:04] <tbasten> is there like a file browser or i just use nautilus?
[09:04] <hussam> thoreauputic: so 2.6.10-5 is better and more stable?
[09:04] <firas> Anyone know how I can capture the current (default) kernel config of my running kernel ?
[09:04] <t3rror> does anyone here actively use vnc?
[09:05] <thoreauputic> tbasten: use nautilus, or install rox filer like me :)
[09:05] <firas> I just installed Kubuntu (and switched to Gnome), I downloaded the official current source file and unpacked it to /usr/src/
[09:05] <bhna> firas: /boot/*.config
[09:05] <UnreA|L> how i can change my resoliution in console
[09:05] <thoreauputic> t3rror: sometimes, but usually xine
[09:05] <Burgundavia> any inkscape gurus here?
[09:05] <t3rror> thoreauputic: you can use xine for remote desktop connections??
[09:05] <firas> bhna: i feel stupid now :-) hehehe much appereciated !
[09:06] <thoreauputic> t3rror: sorry, I I misread
[09:06] <thoreauputic> t3rror: I saw vlc instead of vnc
[09:06] <tbasten> thoreauputic, fbsetbg: I can't find an app to set the wallpaper with. You can install one in
[09:06] <tbasten> many many ways but I will give you some simple advice: install Eterm and
[09:06] <tbasten> you're set. Eterm provides Esetroot and thats a great wallpaper setter. I
[09:06] <tbasten> recommend you install the package provided by your distro.
[09:06] <Epix> Thorrn4, lol its an FTP? lol
[09:07] <thoreauputic> tbasten: yeah, install Eterm or feh
[09:07] <t3rror> thoreauputic: ok i thought that I missed the boat on xine being a virtual network connection
[09:07] <dazzed> eterm and ur set :)
[09:07] <thoreauputic> t3rror: I wish :)
[09:07] <tbasten> ok doing
[09:07] <UnreA|L> how i can change my resoliution in console
[09:07] <Thorrn4> FPS Epix.....my bad
[09:07] <t3rror> so noone uses vnc???
[09:07] <tbasten> lol
[09:07] <FlyingSquirrel32> dazzed: Sorry, I'm running a help desk, here. That looks really cool, but how might that affect running acroread?
[09:07] <tbasten> so what is roz like thoreauputic
[09:07] <drspin> crimsun: yes glxgears reports the same framerate
[09:08] <dazzed> FlyingSquirrel32: no affect...acroread works just as good as it does in gnome
[09:08] <thoreauputic> t3rror: I've tried it, but I prefer nxclient or just ssh -X
[09:08] <t3rror> thoreauputic: i am trying to remove my linux machine from a monitor.  I want to be able to control it from a windows machine, security is not an issue
[09:09] <dazzed> t3rror: use putty
[09:09] <t3rror> putty is a telnet and ssh client
[09:09] <thoreauputic> tbasten: http://users.fishinternet.com.au/~peterg/screenshots/fluxboxfirefoxrox.jpg
[09:09] <dazzed> you can ssh directly into your linux machine
[09:09] <t3rror> i am on a gigabit ethernet system and want to use X
[09:10] <deltalima> t3rror: yeah ... start OpenSSH on the linux box and use putty to ssh in
[09:10] <dazzed> t3rror: ahh ok then
[09:10] <thoreauputic> tbasten: it's rox, BTW
[09:10] <FlyingSquirrel32> dazzed: Ok, then that brings me back to my original question, how can I resolve these dependancy errors?
[09:10] <t3rror> gigabit ethernet is the shit btw
[09:10] <FlyingSquirrel32> acroread:
[09:10] <FlyingSquirrel32>   Depends: libglib2.0-0 but 2.4.7-0ubuntu2 is to be installed
[09:10] <FlyingSquirrel32>   Depends: libgtk2.0-0 but 2.4.10-1ubuntu1.1 is to be installed
[09:10] <FlyingSquirrel32>   Depends: libpango1.0-0 but 1.6.0b-0ubuntu1 is to be installed
[09:10] <dazzed> FlyingSquirrel32: fluxbox dep errors?
[09:10] <FlyingSquirrel32> trying to install acroread
[09:10] <dazzed> ohh acroread...you can get those specific deps from www.debian.org
[09:11] <dazzed> search for acroread on debian.org and itll bring up a list of deps and you can click each dep and download it
[09:11] <tbasten> thoreauputic, mmm, looks nice
[09:12] <dazzed> thoreauputic: is that your flux?
[09:12] <tbasten> so it can use metacity icon(gnome icons)
[09:12] <bhna> ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat testing main
[09:12] <hypno> FlyingSquirrel32: acroread is in ubuntu, and so are all its dependencies..
[09:12] <Funraiserisme> does someone know how to fix this: I have no sound when i used VLC (a media player) and it says: oss error: cannot open audio device (/dev/dsp). When i look at /dev/dsp it says "link broken" for dsp...how can I fix the link?
[09:12] <bhna> dazzed: acroread is in ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat testing main
[09:12] <thoreauputic_> tbasten: you got that URL ? I was disconnected...
[09:12] <tbasten> yeah
[09:13] <dazzed> bhna: hes tlaking about getting the deps
[09:13] <newbie> how uninstall fluxbox
[09:13] <newbie> if i install wiht apt
[09:13] <dazzed> newbie: did you install the package?
[09:13] <tbasten> how do i change shit like menu font size?
[09:13] <t3rror> thoreauputic: what url?
[09:13] <dazzed> UnreA|L: then goto synaptic and uninstall
[09:13] <deltalima> newbie: sudo apt-get install fluxbox
[09:13] <thoreauputic_> UnreA|L: sudo apt-get remove fluxbox
[09:13] <deltalima> crap
[09:13] <deltalima> thought you said install
[09:14] <thoreauputic_> tbasten: edit the styles
[09:14] <tbasten> k
[09:14] <tbasten> thoreauputic, 1 last thing, how do i install new themes?
[09:15] <thoreauputic_> tbasten: read up on http://fluxbox.org -the docs tell you
[09:16] <tsume> the french need to admin thier countries ISP better
[09:16] <bhna> dazzed: the debs are in ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat testing main
[09:16] <Funraiserisme> Please somebody!: I have no sound when i used VLC (a media player) and it says: oss error: cannot open audio device (/dev/dsp). When i look at /dev/dsp it says "link broken" for dsp...how can I fix the link?
[09:16] <dazzed> tbasten: installing new themes is a snap just put them in ~/.fluxbox/styles folder...but if you want the ultra cool fonts you have to install aleczapka-artwiz fonts and not the .deb artwiz-xfonts
[09:16] <Funraiserisme> tsume, and why is that?
[09:16] <tsume> however the french can never win a war, so why the hell would I think they could win a war against spam? :)
[09:16] <dazzed> bhna: i believe you but he was asking me how to take care of his dependencies...
[09:17] <tsume> Funraiserisme: proxy infested network
[09:17] <Funraiserisme> tsume, how u heard of Napoleon?
[09:17] <dazzed> deps=dependencies
[09:17] <tsume> Funraiserisme: I get much spam from wanadoo
[09:17] <thoreauputic_> tsume: Napoleon did a fair bit of winning until Waterloo ;)
[09:17] <tsume> Funraiserisme: I'm talking about this past hundred years ;)
[09:17] <Funraiserisme> tsume, try Free
[09:17] <bhna> dazzed: ah .. ok ... sorry
[09:18] <Funraiserisme> tsume, wanadoo sucks, the French know that
[09:18] <thoreauputic_> tsume: I believe the French had a bit to do with defeating Hitler as well....
[09:18] <_4strO> i think the french want never make a war ...
[09:18] <_4strO> that's the reason why :p
[09:18] <Funraiserisme> hey we have political scientists here!
[09:19] <thoreauputic_> ....not to mention WW I
[09:19] <Funraiserisme> omg it's so interesting i'm gonna stay all night
[09:20] <dazzed> .... Funraiserisme leaves ... lol
[09:20] <thoreauputic_> ....of course the USA likes to think it did all that by itself... nver mind, OT
[09:20] <ian> the new ubuntu-nautilus behavior makes me cry :(   I can't hand out ubuntu CDs in good conscience anymore!
[09:21] <dazzed> ian: what about nautilus dont you like...maybe try kubuntu (uses kde instead of gnome)
[09:21] <dazzed> ian: there is probably a way to fix what you dont like bout nautilus
[09:21] <Funraiserisme> dazzed, i'm not arguing anymore, there are no weapons there, period! but if u don't mind paying what it cost for the appolo program for the war in Irak, that's your choice
[09:22] <dazzed> lol
[09:23] <Funraiserisme> those who think war is a good idea can still go to Bagdad today, they need young people
[09:23] <dazzed> the young people are against the war as always htough
[09:23] <ian> dazzed: what I don't like is that it closes a window when you open a sub-folder (but not when you open a file, or when you open a subwindow of certain "special" folders, etc.).  there is a way to "fix" it using gconf, but I can't be there to fix it for every new user I give a CD to
[09:23] <FlyingSquirrel32> hypno: acroread is not in my cd , warty, are you referring to hoary?
[09:24] <ian> this is really depressing
[09:24] <dazzed> ian: i dont thikn i have ever experienced nautilus closing windows when opening anything...
[09:24] <ian> dazzed: are you on Hoary yet?
[09:24] <dazzed> been on hoary
[09:24] <hypno> FlyingSquirrel32: i meant in the marillat packages, the dependencies are ok on hoary
[09:24] <dazzed> been on warty
[09:24] <dazzed> been on breezy
[09:24] <dazzed> been on em all :)
[09:25] <ian> dazzed: when you double click a folder, doesn't it close the current one and open the new one...?
[09:25] <dazzed> nope
[09:25] <FlyingSquirrel32> hypno: what are the marillat packages?
[09:25] <dazzed> ian: although ichanged mine to single click and have everything open in the same window
[09:26] <hypno> ian: yeah mine used to do that
[09:26] <Epix> Cube gives this error: Fatal signal: Floating Point Exception (SDL Parachute Deployed). what the hell is it? how do i fix it
[09:26] <hypno> FlyingSquirrel32: the sources.list entries for marillat are on: http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[09:26] <dazzed> ian: if you change to open everything in current window it changes that and it only closes prior windows so its less cluttery
[09:26] <Funraiserisme> by double clicking with the middle button it keeps the parent folder open
[09:26] <dazzed> ian: its meant to do that but you can EASILY change it
[09:27] <ian> dazzed: and keep spatial nautilus?  the only way I know of is to use gconf.  I don't think that's easy for non-techies :(
[09:27] <hypno> non-techies won't care so much about it
[09:28] <dazzed> ian: non-techies shouldnt relaly be using linux in the first place
[09:28] <dazzed> its not at that point yet ;/
[09:28] <ian> well my mom uses it just fine
[09:28] <dazzed> maybe lindows
[09:28] <ian> she's quite non-techie
[09:28] <ian> dazzed: what is ubuntu slogan again..?
[09:28] <thoreauputic_> dazzed: it's fine for people who just surf, write letters and use email etc
[09:28] <dazzed> ian: but all she needs to do is check email goto the occasional website and that kinda stuff
[09:28] <Burgundavia> Epix, kill esd first
[09:29] <dazzed> thoreauputic_: exactly
[09:29] <ian> dazzed: right. non-techies.  :)
[09:29] <ian> dazzed: that's what most people DO with computers :)
[09:29] <ivoks> ola
[09:29] <thoreauputic_> I installed it for some non-techie friends, and they were fine
[09:29] <ivoks> did anyone tried to extract audio from DVD?
[09:29] <dazzed> ian: but people like that probably wont even notice the point your bringing up
[09:30] <Debonair> hey everyone
[09:30] <thoreauputic_> they are more likely to be confused about mounting their floppy drives :)
[09:30] <ian> dazzed: how would my mom use drag-and-drop file management with this behavior?  it's impossible (don't tell me about middle-clicks or holding shift. that is out of the question for a normal user)
[09:30] <delire> anyone here running Beagle? like spotlight, but for Linux/Gnome http://www.gnome.org/projects/beagle/
[09:30] <dazzed> ian: but seriously you can  1 double click with the middle mouse button and it wont close parent window or goto nautilus settings and click "always open in browser window" and it keeps the whole 1 nautilus window going
[09:30] <dazzed> ian: open 2 nautilus's like windows...
[09:30] <Debonair> could someone tell me what program i should use to play realplayer and wmv files on Ubuntu?
[09:31] <Burgundavia> delire, yes, why?
[09:31] <delire> Burgundavia: your experiences?
[09:31] <Burgundavia> Debonair, realplayer must be played by the real player
[09:31] <Burgundavia> Debonair, wmv can play with an media player
[09:31] <dazzed> ian: double middle clicking is outta the question for a normal user???
[09:31] <Burgundavia> delire,  it is good
[09:31] <thoreauputic_> ian, the "always use browser mode" is OK
[09:31] <ian> dazzed: yes.
[09:31] <dazzed> ian: ....
[09:31] <Debonair> is there a RealPlayer available for Ubuntu/Linux?
[09:31] <Burgundavia> Debonair, yes
[09:31] <Debonair> Cool
[09:31] <dazzed> if someone knows how to use a mouse someone can middle click...
[09:31] <amichai> Debonair, yes
[09:31] <dazzed> one of the easiest pieces of computer equipment
[09:32] <Burgundavia> dazzed, middle click doesn't exist on non-*nix machines
[09:32] <dazzed> actually...THE EASIEST piece of copmuter equipment is the standard 3 button mouse
[09:32] <delire> Burgundavia: was it easy for you to index your data?
[09:32] <Burgundavia> delire, yes, but the indexer broke
[09:32] <dazzed> Burgundavia: true
[09:32] <amichai> can someone tell me is 40 k/b p/s for apt-get right? i thought it used to be faster
[09:32] <Debonair> Is it available on the ubunto repo?
[09:32] <thoreauputic_> Burgundavia: most mice have a scroll/button these days though
[09:32] <dazzed> Burgundavia: but u tell someone to do it and they know what ur talking about
[09:32] <hypno> Debonair: ubuntuguide.org
[09:32] <Burgundavia> dazzed, and that is why only things that are not normal should be but there
[09:32] <Funraiserisme> Debonair, check http://www.ubuntuguide.org/
[09:32] <ian> dazzed: all that may be true, but spend some time watching a notice user
[09:32] <Burgundavia> dazzed, the issue is of discoverablity
[09:33] <delire> Burgundavia: have you patched your kernel to support 'inotify' (ie. a pre 2.6.12 feature)?
[09:33] <dazzed> Burgundavia, ian: my point being you goto nautilus preferrences and click "open in browser window" then you get the effect of window'
[09:33] <dazzed> ...window's explorer
[09:33] <Debonair> cool thanks a lot guys
[09:33] <Burgundavia> delire, latest beagle doesn't need inotify and I didn't bother turning it on (it is in by default in hoary)
[09:33] <dazzed> where you click a folder and it opens in the same window
[09:33] <dazzed> whats hard about that?
[09:34] <ian> dazzed: some people prefer spatial behavior
[09:34] <dazzed> ian: for that then you can open up 2 instances of nautilus...drag from each window
[09:34] <FlyingSquirrel32> hypno: Thanks, The info for the page you gave me is for hoary, I had used the page for warty. Does it make a difference? or is apt-get smart enough to make it work?
[09:34] <Burgundavia> dazzed, I like the GNOME standard spatial
[09:34] <Burgundavia> dazzed, there are few compelling reasons that the change was implemented, beyond the sabdfl is the boss
[09:35] <ian> dazzed: actually you can't do that very well.  try opening up two by clicking "Home" twice.  the second time does nothing (the window is already open)
[09:35] <delire> Burgundavia: apparently inotify never made it into hoary. <checks this>
[09:35] <Burgundavia> delire, hmm, I thought it did
[09:35] <Debonair> crap... the link on there for the realplayer is down
[09:35] <Burgundavia> Debonair, there should be a package in the repos
[09:35] <hypno> FlyingSquirrel32: depends if the needed packages are in warty. Might as well upgrade to hoary..
[09:35] <delire> Burgundavia:  http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/LinuxKernelRoadmap may have more information. it was rejected AFAIK due to stability reasons
[09:35] <Burgundavia> delire, ah
[09:35] <dazzed> ian: i dont even use gnome so i wouldnt know but its not hard to open the application 'nautilus' either
[09:36] <dazzed> home is not the only way to get in
[09:36] <dazzed> but you have good points
[09:36] <Burgundavia> dazzed, if you don't use gnome, then why are you arguing about this?
[09:36] <dazzed> i understand where ur coming from
[09:36] <dazzed> Burgundavia: i use nautilus
[09:36] <dazzed> i use gnome apps
[09:36] <dazzed> i just dont use gnome desktop
[09:36] <Burgundavia> oh, btw, we are getting hammered on every review about this.
[09:36] <ian> "we" deserve it :)
[09:36] <Burgundavia> we do
[09:37] <dazzed> i just dont feel you should completely discrace something and put it down just cuz you cant figure out how to drag and drop something between 2 windows...
[09:37] <dazzed> disgrace*
[09:37] <ivoks> grrrrrr
[09:37] <ivoks> dvdrip on ubuntu is a problem :(
[09:37] <ivoks> so is transcode
[09:37] <ivoks> :(
[09:37] <delire> really?
[09:37] <Burgundavia> dazzed, I like drag and drop. This patch doesn't make it easy
[09:37] <tbasten> dazzed, is there a way to set shortcut key to different programs
[09:38] <dazzed> you mean bind keys to open programs?
[09:38] <dazzed> tbasten:
[09:38] <thoreauputic_> .fluxbox/keys
[09:38] <FlyingSquirrel32> hypno: Now that you mention that, is that different from downloading the updates in synaptic? or do you have to reinstall from scratch. (Please excuse my ignorance, I'm fresh from windows)
[09:38] <pharaonic_anubis> This is really strange. I started ubuntu today, and none of the menu items I have added over the last couple months are present any longer.
[09:38] <shad0w1e> how do i see a list of running processes?
[09:38] <pharaonic_anubis> And I can't add any items to my gnome menus.
[09:38] <ian> dazzed: this sounds like "KDE User Talk" -- this is why I use and support GNOME, because people don't say "what's wrong, you can't figure it out?  you must be stupid."   No, it's not about ME, a programmer, it's about my mom and other non-techie users.  the DEFAULT has to work for them.  they don't come asking for help, they say "I want Windows back" :)
[09:38] <Burgundavia> ian, well said
[09:38] <pharaonic_anubis> The programs are installed... just all my customization is gone it seems.
[09:39] <Debonair> can't seem to find a realplayer package in the repos
[09:39] <shad0w1e> how do i see running processes?
[09:39] <pharaonic_anubis> Any ideas why this would happen?
[09:39] <delire> shad0w1e: ps ax
[09:39] <shad0w1e> delire: thanks
[09:39] <dazzed> ian: ...windows explorer is non spatial...so thats not a compelling argument
[09:39] <mkde> I have a problem with my wireless card. It works nicely here in my Ubuntu system which I installed from array 5, but I just installed hoary final from cd onto another partition, and I can't seem to load the firmware for the card. Is this sort of problem know? what might it be due to?
[09:39] <thoreauputic_> shad0w1e: type `top` in a terminal
[09:39] <Burgundavia> Debonair, hmm I see it
[09:39] <Debonair> which section is it in?
[09:39] <dazzed> ian: and to make it spatial you have to go in and change a setting just like to make it non spatial you have to go in and change a setting
[09:39] <Debonair> and is it titled differently?
[09:39] <Burgundavia> Debonair, multiverse
[09:39] <Burgundavia> Debonair, it is 'realplayer'
[09:40] <delire> thoreauputic_: you're right. 'top' would have been a better fit
[09:40] <Burgundavia> dazzed, the issue is not that you can set it, the issue is that most users never change the default
[09:40] <FlyingSquirrel32> dazzed: I don't think windows users know what spatial is, even the admins.
[09:40] <thoreauputic_> delire: he left early :)
[09:40] <dazzed> FlyingSquirrel32: lol true
[09:40] <delire> thoreauputic_: well it's not like we're fishing i guess ;)
[09:40] <Debonair> oh
[09:40] <Debonair> it isn't free?
[09:41] <Burgundavia> Debonair, free is the beer sense, not hte speech sense
[09:41] <mkde> it is not GPL
[09:41] <mkde> anyone help me with my wifi problem?
[09:41] <Burgundavia> Debonair, also, you cannot redistribute it
[09:41] <pharaonic_anubis> Does anyone know why all of my icons I have added to my Gnome menus would suddenly be gone and why I all of a sudden can't add any items to the menu's?
[09:41] <delire> mkde: which card?
[09:41] <mkde> delire, its an acx111 card
[09:41] <Debonair> you lost me, burg
[09:41] <FlyingSquirrel32> what's the easiest way to upgrade from warty to hoary?
[09:41] <delire> mkde: eek. have you tried reinstalling the firmware?
[09:41] <dazzed> Burgundavia: i understand that but if you dont want to hand it out to your friends or what not because the parent window closes when u double click and you cant seem to ask help then the need to go back to windows where everything pop up for them and tells them exactly what to do...if you want linux to do that .. its not going to happen
[09:42] <Burgundavia> Debonair, realplayer is free in terms of money, but not in terms of being Free/OSS
[09:42] <ivoks> helixplayer is free
[09:42] <Debonair> oh ok
[09:42] <Burgundavia> dazzed, that is a very negative opinion
[09:42] <Debonair> gotchas
[09:42] <ivoks> but, it can't play ram :(
[09:42] <delire> Debonair: the GPL requires that source code be modifiable, redistributable and primarily available to users
[09:42] <ian> dazzed: I don't like your defeatist attitude :)
[09:42] <dazzed> ian, Burgundavia: and maybe some people might prefer the signle browser window to spatial...if they just asked help
[09:42] <dazzed> they just dont know
[09:43] <mkde> delire, I've copied the firmware from cd, and renamed it to all the various names that I am aware of. In all cases dmesg says it is looking for the right firmware, but that it can't load it
[09:43] <Burgundavia> dazzed, I have heard no good reasons why the change should be made, beyond that of window clutter, which is fairly minor
[09:43] <catfox> hi guys, i'm in need of urgent help :S
[09:43] <delire> Debonair: hence why Linux can be described as 'The People's Operating System'
[09:43] <ian> maybe dazzed should spend a few days using the new busted spatial mode before commenting :)
[09:43] <dazzed> and honestly linux isnt going to tell them what to do...to even get the closest thing to a 'help' option is a man and you need to run man's from terms and a non-techie isnt going to want to do that
[09:44] <FlyingSquirrel32> dazzed, what is the easist way of upgrading from warty to hoary?
[09:44] <delire> mkde: so can you 'sudo iwlist <card> scanning' or 'sudo iwconfig'?
[09:44] <ian> dazzed: what on earth are you talking about?  we're advocating sane behavior in the file manager not "pop ups everywhere tell the user what to do" :)
[09:44] <Burgundavia> dazzed, that is the old view of linux. The new view and the Ubuntu one is do thing right and have things just work. This patch doesn't fall in with the new view
[09:44] <thoreauputic_> dazzed: well, a few apps have a decent help function :)
[09:44] <catfox> i got an iPod, and i tried to use it on linux, but now it's completely unusable. on mac or pc. itunes cant see it at all.
[09:44] <catfox> how can i get it back to normal?
[09:44] <dazzed> im not being negative but honestly...if people wan the ease and the and the simplicity of windows on linux...they need to use windows..cuz linux is not about making linux as close as windows as possible
[09:44] <seanj> hi um, i can't print anything on my HP deskjet 600.. :(
[09:44] <Burgundavia> dazzed, therein I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding
[09:44] <FlyingSquirrel32> dazzed, I think non-techies can do it just fine, they just need a capable and patient person to hold their hand during the transition
[09:45] <ian> dazzed: how very 1995 of you :)
[09:45] <thoreauputic_> dazzed: no, we should make it *better*
[09:45] <dazzed> FlyingSquirrel32: exactly
[09:45] <mkde> delire, didn't try it. the light is not on on the card tho
[09:45] <Burgundavia> dazzed, Ubuntu is about winning the desktop and the producing the most kicka** system out there
[09:45] <catfox> anybody?
[09:45] <wellparp> FlyingSquirrel21: Use synaptic, change the repositories to hoary, update and mark all upgrades
[09:45] <delire> dazzed: i would argue there are several projects who are entirely predisposed to making Linux DE's easier to use than Windows.
[09:45] <Burgundavia> dazzed, part of that is sane defaults, which windows doesn't do at all well either
[09:45] <catfox> can anybody help me with iPod problems?
[09:46] <dazzed> Burgundavia: well if you want someone to hold your hand dont use linux...thanks im done
[09:46] <seanj> i thought linux was about offering an alternative that is as good if not better? so far it looks pretty good.. it'll look great when i can print stuff :)
[09:46] <FlyingSquirrel32> catfox, sorry, I've never worked with one.
[09:46] <seanj> dazzed, what's wrong?
[09:46] <delire> mkde: which driver are you using? http://acx100.sourceforge.net/
[09:46] <Burgundavia> dazzed, I am not asking somebody to hold my hand
[09:46] <dazzed> im sorry im about supporting the revoloution against windows not converting linux to windows
[09:46] <bhna> catfox: i wish i had an ipod ;-)
[09:46] <seanj> i find this whole ubuntu linux thing like a cakewalk
[09:46] <dazzed> Burgundavia: i understand that
[09:46] <catfox> i wish i had one whch worked
[09:46] <wellparp> seanj: cakewalk?
[09:46] <catfox> so i may as well throw it in the bin then?
[09:46] <seanj> ...except printing
[09:47] <seanj> wellparp, meaning it's extremely easy to use
[09:47] <dazzed> i like linux for what it is...and how it works...if it were to go and be like windows ... i would switch to anotehr os
[09:47] <Burgundavia> dazzed, and I am saying taht this pathc is not hand holding. It is about sane defaults, which is as far from handholding as you can get
[09:47] <seanj> i find it is, anyway
[09:47] <Ironfrost> catfox: I noticed a control in "Music Player" to synch with an ipod
[09:47] <seanj> linux like windows in the same way mac os-x is? a desktop, some icons, a gui? omg!
[09:47] <thoreauputic_> dazzed: there's little danger of Linux becoming a windows clone - for instance, we can use fluxbox or window maker or...
[09:47] <FlyingSquirrel32> catfox, why not call mac? Don't they have pretty good service?
[09:47] <dazzed> Burgundavia: a sane default woudl be making non spatial nautilus for the 'non-techies'
[09:48] <seanj> anyone know why i would not be able to print anything on a configured hp deskjet 600 using hoary
[09:48] <Ironfrost> if you're running default Ubuntu it should be applications > sound & video > Music Player
[09:48] <dazzed> thoreauputic_: i used a fluxbox shell for windows for 4 years before i got on linux
[09:48] <dazzed> 3* years*
[09:48] <Burgundavia> dazzed, then spec something up. Spatial nautilus isn't perfect but it is better than Ubuntu spatial
[09:48] <delire> dazzed: how can Linux "be like windows"? welding a windows like DE onto the kernel?
[09:48] <thoreauputic_> dazzed: but my point stands
[09:48] <catfox> FlyingSquirrel32, and tell them linux screwed up my iPod?
[09:48] <seanj> never use a knife in a toaster!
[09:48] <thoreauputic_> dazzed: the options on windows are more restricted
[09:49] <delire> catfox: seems odd. you were using it with gtkpod fine, unmounted it and then it was unuseable elsewhere?
[09:49] <delire> oh well.
[09:49] <dazzed> Burgundavia: but if your talking about sane defaults...are you making sane defaults for linux users (which i feel a linux user can understand how to middle click and change a simple setting) or making sane defaults for non-techies?
[09:49] <seanj> i looked around the wikis but can't find any, there is text for links but no links there yet
[09:49] <dazzed> Burgundavia: thats the debate im getting at
[09:49] <mkde> delire, i'm using that driver, packaged in the ubuntu kernel
[09:50] <tbasten> dazzed, :S what would be the syntax for the keys file to start up firefox when i press cntl+alt+w
[09:50] <thoreauputic_> dazzed: sane defaults mean defaults that are intuitive for ordinary mortals :)
[09:50] <Burgundavia> dazzed, sane defaults for the majority of users (non-techies), which doesn't include making the middle click do something the left click does normally
[09:50] <seanj> i guess you guys are too busy arguing amonst yourselves, i'll print on the windows server
[09:50] <|QuaD-> how do i make sure all the packages that a software package depends on are downloading? apt-get is missing some
[09:50] <seanj> thanks anyway
[09:50] <mkde> seanj, :(
[09:50] <Burgundavia> seanj, what is the issue?
[09:50] <mkde> he has a point
[09:51] <crimsun> |QuaD-: apt-get and aptitude handle dependencies
[09:51] <seanj> printing on an hp deskjet 600 that was setup by the system, nothing happens no matter what app i try to print from
[09:51] <crimsun> |QuaD-: (as does Synaptic, since it uses libapt)
[09:51] <dazzed> Burgundavia: but left click still does the same thing...its just middle click is an additional option that does it differently and the majority of linux users are not 'non-techies'
[09:51] <|QuaD-> crimsun: i am trying to install muine, it isn't automatically downloading gstreamer
[09:51] <Burgundavia> dazzed, the last point is rapidly changing
[09:51] <|QuaD-> which according to apt-cache show it depends one
[09:52] <seanj> in System -> Administration -> Printing it says the printer is fine and ready to print
[09:52] <Burgundavia> |QuaD-, gstreamer is already on your machine
[09:52] <|QuaD-> Burgundavia: i removed it awhile back
[09:52] <crimsun> |QuaD-: it should need to, since gstreamer is installed
[09:52] <crimsun> err
[09:52] <Burgundavia> |QuaD-, totem-gstreamer or the whole thing?
[09:52] <Burgundavia> seanj, ick
[09:52] <|QuaD-> Burgundavia: the whole thing
[09:52] <seanj> :/
[09:52] <delire> mkde: right. do this. take the card out, put it in and 'dmesg | grep acx' or perhaps see this page: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-3067.html
[09:53] <crimsun> |QuaD-: what's the package status of gstreamer0.8-plugins?
[09:53] <mkde> delire, i'll check that page, i've already drawled through dmesg, when you load acx111 drivers you get about 100 lines of dmesg ;)
[09:53] <dazzed> Burgundavia: it might be ... but i still dont think you need to change the way things are just to help non-techies when its a simple point click settings change to fix what they want
[09:53] <delire> mkde: post in #flood?
[09:53] <seanj> i powered down the printer, powered down the machine, then turned on the printer again, then the machine... tried with ubuntu, still got nothing, did that all again, went to xp and printed a file with no issue
[09:53] <|QuaD-> crimsun: i just started installing everything it depends on, so its installed now
[09:53] <dazzed> Burgundavia: and the thing im highly upset at is that he said hes going to quit handing out ubuntu and suggesting it to people just because of that
[09:53] <seanj> seems odd something like printing should be so hard.. i even tried to setup cups but this version is kinda um, crippled
[09:54] <cheezee> ??????????
[09:54] <cheezee> ?????
[09:54] <seanj> dazzed, i think this printing issue is gonna kill it for me lol
[09:54] <Burgundavia> dazzed, the file system is pretty major change and it came at a very very bad time
[09:54] <mkde> delire, its on the other partition. i should make it clear: the card is working in hoary on this partition (installed from array5) but not on a hoary final install i did on another partition
[09:54] <mjr> dazzed, the current ubuntu way was a change to how things are for no good reason
[09:55] <seanj> no ideas on simple printing huh
[09:55] <delire> seanj: checked http://localhost:631 ? this is the easiest way to setup printing IMO
[09:55] <thoreauputic_> seanj: sometimes choosing a different driver helps ) I had to do that with my LaserJet)
[09:55] <Burgundavia> seanj, I did some quick googling. hpijs seems to be driver you need
[09:55] <delire> mkde: odd?
[09:55] <mkde> delire, yes
[09:55] <seanj> aha.... good timing lol thank you, i'll go look
[09:55] <dazzed> Burgundavia: and also we are still far off from making linux easily used for 'non-techies' considering most computer parts (i.e. wireless cards, sound chips, usb devices) you have to work at to get to work and a 'non-techie' isnt going to want to do that
[09:55] <thoreauputic_> delire: disabled by default in Ubuntu
[09:55] <FlyingSquirrel32> catfox: Sure, No sin in using linux
[09:56] <dazzed> unless you specifically get native linux parts
[09:56] <Burgundavia> dazzed, have you seen the plan coming out of UDU?
[09:56] <Burgundavia> dazzed, for from it
[09:56] <Menu> hi
[09:56] <Menu> :)
[09:56] <dazzed> Burgundavia: link me
[09:56] <battledragun> ineed to know how to get my bootloader back up from the install cd, anyone know?
[09:56] <FlyingSquirrel32> catfox: perhaps you don't even need to mention linux
[09:56] <k31th> good to see this distro has become so popular
[09:56] <Burgundavia> dazzed, http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/
[09:56] <FlyingSquirrel32> catfox:tell them it won't work with mac(assuming it won't)
[09:56] <Burgundavia> dazzed, the current Ubuntu development conference
[09:56] <Burgundavia> dazzed, happening right now
[09:57] <delire> thoreauputic_: oh? hmm.
[09:57] <Burgundavia> battledragun, search the wiki for restoring grub
[09:57] <thoreauputic_> delire: it doesn't allow port 632 in the browser interface
[09:57] <thoreauputic_> delire: try it and see
[09:57] <FlyingSquirrel32> how does on upgrade to hoary?
[09:57] <thoreauputic_> *631
[09:58] <delire> thoreauputic_: i use vanilla debian for the most part.
[09:58] <mkde> FlyingSquirrel32, its quite easy
[09:58] <mkde> FlyingSquirrel32, hang on
[09:58] <delire> thoreauputic_: my ubuntu machine is at work
[09:58] <battledragun> Burgundavia: I want to install lilo instead ...
[09:58] <ubuntu_VMWare> hello
[09:58] <thoreauputic_> delire: I don't understand why the cups interface is disabled, but thre you go...
[09:58] <Burgundavia> battledragun, why do you want to do that?
[09:58] <Burgundavia> thoreauputic_, security reasons
[09:58] <LarstiQ> FlyingSquirrel32: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryUpgradeNotes
[09:58] <dazzed> Burgundavia: ok so what does UDU have to do with anything?
[09:59] <battledragun> Burgundavia: I like lilo more than grub
[09:59] <k31th> kool i wanna go to it
[09:59] <seanj> omg this is insane
[09:59] <delire> thoreauputic_: hmm, seems a shame. the browser interface is (frankly) excellent with gimpprint installed.
[09:59] <Burgundavia> dazzed, UbuntuDownUnder is where they are deciding where to take Ubuntu for Breezy
[09:59] <thoreauputic_> Burgundavia: that would be fine if the cups interfacesupplied always worked...
[09:59] <mkde> Burgundavia, is the releasenotes doc on the website?
[09:59] <shinu> who was recommending DSL to me a few hours ago?
[09:59] <Raskall> I have the following scenario: Wireless lan and cabled lan. I want a separate firewall for the wireless lan that routes known clients (by mac) to the lan and further to the internet. unknown clients will not be routed anywhere, but presented a page in the browser telling them to call me to get access.
[09:59] <Burgundavia> mkde, hmm, unknown
[09:59] <tremblay> I have an AMD64 processor, and I'm wondering whether it's worth switching from i386 to AMD64 Ubuntu (being a relative newbie)...
[09:59] <Burgundavia> thoreauputic_, no world listening ports
[09:59] <Raskall> Is there such a solution for Ubuntu?
[09:59] <delire> seanj: sorry, i pointed you to the wrong place.
[09:59] <thoreauputic_> Burgundavia: I understand
[10:00] <Burgundavia> thoreauputic_, printing is being worked on
[10:00] <dazzed> Burgundavia: i can promise you if they start making it so that its just a point and click switch from windows and have it basically the same you bet your ass ill be running my slackware more often
[10:00] <thoreauputic_> Burgundavia: nevertheless, it cuts out a usable option
[10:00] <Raskall> I'd like to just put a third nic in my ubuntu server and do it from there, but I have a spare machine if that is recommended.
[10:00] <seanj> why was this released when it can hardly print and half the options arent even available?? madness
[10:00] <FlyingSquirrel32> what is a good data-cd-burning program?
[10:00] <Burgundavia> dazzed, then run slackware. Ubuntu is moving towards easy to use without compromising on security
[10:00] <tremblay> FlyingSquirrel32: Graveman.
[10:00] <Burgundavia> FlyingSquirrel32, nautilus will burn just data
[10:00] <mkde> graveman rocks
[10:00] <thoreauputic_> FlyingSquirrel32: gnomebaker
[10:00] <dazzed> Burgundavia: yeah thats good make another lindows...
[10:01] <dazzed> some people get so off the topic of what linux is about
[10:01] <dazzed> makes me upset
[10:01] <mkde> FlyingSquirrel32, right to upgrade to hoary, you go into your /etc/apt/sources.list and change each instance of "warty" to "hoary"
[10:01] <Burgundavia> FlyingSquirrel32, if you need to burn more than just data, music, etc. graveman or gnomebaker is a good idea
[10:01] <Burgundavia> dazzed, Lindows is not competely evil
[10:01] <ubuntu_VMWare> dazzed, and what is linux all about in your opinion?
[10:01] <Burgundavia> dazzed, they have some good ideas
[10:01] <FlyingSquirrel32> Burgundavia: and ISO's?
[10:01] <Burgundavia> FlyingSquirrel32, graveman or gnomebaker
[10:01] <dazzed> ubuntu_VMWare: ill tell you its not about making a clone of windows
[10:01] <FlyingSquirrel32> mkde: that's it?
[10:02] <delire> Raskall: if you aren't afraid of firewalls without GUI's then i can personally reccomend a mixture of shorewall and apache to these ends.
[10:02] <thoreauputic_> dazzed: really, if the option to use slackware or debian still exists, what's the problem?
[10:02] <mkde> FlyingSquirrel32, then you do "sudo apt-get update"
[10:02] <mkde> FlyingSquirrel32, then you do "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[10:02] <Burgundavia> dazzed, and Ubuntu is free is all sense. Lindows is not
[10:02] <Marble2> Is there a command line program that will log all the network in/out connections I make?
[10:02] <dazzed> i like ubu cuz of its simplicity (and its the best debian based os out there_
[10:02] <mkde> FlyingSquirrel32, then you see what works
[10:02] <thomas> tremblay: If you change to the AMD64 release be advised that some bits dont work such as openoffice2 and a few others. They didnt compile - other things like flash and Java are also aparently not working
[10:02] <dazzed> i like debian compaired to slackware but not if its going in the fashion of lindows
[10:02] <yahalom> anybody here using xfce and getting scheme color changes when clicking on sound settings?
[10:03] <FlyingSquirrel32> mkde: what do you mean see what works?
[10:03] <Raskall> delire: not very afraid of that. But I just need something simple. A dhcp server and a proxy server. The dhcp server should give gateway IP to known clients and not to unknown clients.
[10:03] <Epix> anyone here play quake2 and want to help me with some errors its making?
[10:03] <thoreauputic_> dazzed: I don't think we're in danger of becoming Lindows :)
[10:03] <Marble2> anyone?
[10:03] <tremblay> thomas: Do you know if it might be done in the near future?
[10:03] <ubuntu_VMWare> I think there is no need for so many distro's out there
[10:03] <Raskall> delire: but I don't know if the standard dhcpd is capable of doing that.
[10:03] <ubuntu_VMWare> every each one of them can be customised
[10:03] <mkde> FlyingSquirrel32, it is possible that you will have to tinker with some other things as well
[10:03] <dazzed> thoreauputic_: i wouldnt be able to tell by the way most people are acting about this subject
[10:03] <tremblay> ...and is OpenOffice > 2.0 compiled for AMD64?
[10:03] <deltalima> ubuntu_VMWare: they're all very different
[10:04] <thoreauputic_> ubuntu_VMWare: well, as long as it's Free software, people will make their own distros
[10:04] <yahalom> how do i get openoffice 2.0? breezy?
[10:04] <delire> dazzed: eh? debian runs robots, satellites and on iPaq's. it has nothing to do with wanting to be anything other than a universal operating system from which other projects (like Ubuntu - a desktop OS) can benefit.
[10:04] <dazzed> i think the current setup of ubuntu is a great starting step for users that become tired of windows want something more and better...it has no need to change to help the needs of the users when a simple question is all that needs to be asked to fix most 'non-techies' problems
[10:04] <FlyingSquirrel32> thanks I think I see that in the wiki
[10:04] <mkde> FlyingSquirrel32, ok
[10:04] <ubuntu_VMWare> deltalima, perhaps under the hood and then it's X.org anyway on the top so why bother
[10:04] <Raskall> yahalom: I don't know if it has changed now, but a few weeks ago I had to download rpms from openoffice.org, convert then to .debs with alien and dpkg -i them
[10:04] <delire> Raskall: not in itself no. you will need to start setting up rules based on known IP's or MAC addresses.
[10:05] <thomas> tremblay: I assume they are working on it
[10:05] <deltalima> ubuntu_VMWare: because under the hood is what really matters
[10:05] <|QuaD-> Raskall: why didn't you just install them from the repos?
[10:05] <yahalom> Raskall, did u remove openoffice 1.0? or does it upgrade it?
[10:05] <mkde> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryUpgradeNotes <-- FlyingSquirrel32
[10:05] <tremblay> thomas: Is there any version of OpenOffice available for AMD64?
[10:05] <delire> hmm good q
[10:05] <Raskall> delire: hmm.. But if I have to set up a dedicated machine for this I guess I will go with ZoneCD (www.publicip.net)
[10:06] <dazzed> i also dont think that all windows users should come to linux eitehr...im not 100% against windows...i think windows is a great starting step to linux and people that dont need to get passed that step can stay on windows and people that do should continue on to linux...but thats completely different topic and im sure it will piss way too many people off than im ready to deal with
[10:06] <Burgundavia> tremblay, yes, but not OO2 I think
[10:06] <ubuntu_VMWare> deltalima, could you tell me what is the logical purpose of this variety, usually the distro's differ in packages and folder structure..
[10:06] <Raskall> |QuaD-: I had to try it the same day 2.0 beta was released. I read wrong now. Didn't now 2.0 was released now.
[10:06] <delire> Raskall: right, it's all possible in Ubuntu however. you are looking at a rule based form of client 'redirection' however.
[10:06] <mkde> might i suggest that you take this to #ubuntu-offtopic?
[10:06] <shad0w1e> is there any way to open up a program in telnet, then to shut telnet, but to have hte program still running?
[10:07] <deltalima> ubuntu_VMWARE: people want different things out of their distribution
[10:07] <|QuaD-> Raskall: i have had 2.0 beta for a while now
[10:07] <deltalima> ubuntu_VMWARE: different package management systems ...
[10:07] <ubuntu_VMWare> why don't they cuztomise then?
[10:07] <thomas> tremblay: I dont remember seeing anything about 1.x not working - i dont use AMD64 myself - they best bet would be to download the AMD64 liveCD and see what is on it and what works as it is the same as what gets installed
[10:07] <|QuaD-> the repos have had it for a while
[10:07] <yahalom> Raskall, openoffice 2.0 is in synaptic
[10:07] <holycow> ubuntu, well thats what different distros are, customizations
[10:07] <holycow> what did you think they were?
[10:07] <Raskall> delire: I am not very comfortable with command line iptables. But I have to learn it soon since I am about to start a business that amongst others sells linux firewalls. :)
[10:07] <thoreauputic_> shad0w1e: GNU screen
[10:07] <tremblay> me
[10:07] <Marble2> Is there a command line program that will log all the network in/out connections I make?
[10:08] <thoreauputic_> shad0w1e: for cli anyway
[10:08] <ubuntu_VMWare> holycow, that's what I said, deltalima thinks otherwise
[10:08] <Raskall> yahalom: ok.. it wasnt the day I tried. :)
[10:08] <deltalima> ubuntu_VMWARE: they do
[10:08] <shad0w1e> thoreauputic_: explain?
[10:08] <dazzed> holycow: thank god someone here to support my thoughts :)
[10:08] <holycow> ehe :)
[10:08] <thoreauputic_> shad0w1e: "screen" allows attaching and detaching sessions
[10:08] <shad0w1e> so how do i do it
[10:08] <dazzed> im this close to switching off ubuntu just cuz of what one person said lol
[10:08] <shad0w1e> i just type in screen
[10:09] <shad0w1e> run my prog. then X my session?
[10:09] <holycow> dazzed, your point about ubuntu is correct too
[10:09] <thoreauputic_> shad0w1e: no screen is a termianl app
[10:09] <thoreauputic_> *terminal
[10:09] <krisg> hi how do i deal with *.deb? i want to install aMule. do i just extract .deb file again using Archive Manager?
[10:09] <Marble2> shad0w1e: screen -S screen_name_here, run your command, then screen -d
[10:09] <holycow> ubuntu and gnome2.10 are what i would consider the first windows users ready combination ... because 'just enough' of the stuff has been automated
[10:09] <delire> Raskall: 'apt-cache show shorewall' it's a fantastic interface to iptables
[10:09] <shido6> whats a good slideshow app for pics
[10:09] <Marble2> screen -list lists screen sessions
[10:09] <shido6> compupic wont work
[10:09] <Amaranth> krisg: sudo dpkg -i file.deb
[10:09] <holycow> of course we could do more, but thats left for future to filter out
[10:10] <krisg> thnx!
[10:10] <shad0w1e> I want to be able to shut down telnet
[10:10] <shad0w1e> but keep the prog running
[10:10] <Raskall> delire: ok.. I haven't dived into shorewall before. I have always thought that needed a dedicated machine.
[10:10] <delire> shad0w1e: killall telnet
[10:10] <holycow> shido6, depends who your audience is.  most people just do an open office presentation
[10:10] <Marble2> Is there a command line program that will log all the network in/out connections I make?
[10:10] <thoreauputic_> shido6: gqview, g-thumb will do a slideshow
[10:10] <holycow> Marble2, yes ifconfig eth0 down
[10:10] <holycow> -_-
[10:10] <shido6> i need one that can handle multiple directories
[10:11] <delire> Raskall: not at all. my laptop acts as a wireless gateway on occassion, a router, a print server and a game development workhouse at the same time ;)
[10:11] <Raskall> delire: hmm.. seems I will just put a nic for my access-point in my ubuntu-server. Why use more machines than necessary?
[10:11] <zxc> Any know how to set up Microsoft Office with Wine? (or could direct me to a guide to doing it)
[10:11] <holycow> shido6, multiple directories of what?
[10:11] <holycow> shido6, sounds like you need an online image dealy of sorts
[10:11] <Xappe> do you think a hdd temp of 50 C is too high for an ibook g3 700 running ubuntu?
[10:12] <delire> Raskall: hehe precisely. btw http://www.shorewall.net/
[10:12] <mkde> Marble2, the command you've been given there will take your network down. Are you looking for a program which monitors the quantity of network traffic?
[10:12] <thoreauputic_> zxc: you will probably need Crossover Office - it isn't free though
[10:12] <shido6> crossover office wont work with compupic
[10:12] <Raskall> delire: I guess the man page will do. :)
[10:12] <shido6> it segfaults
[10:12] <shido6> everytime
[10:12] <delire> Xappe: not really. begin to be afraid at 60%
[10:12] <delire> Xappe: 60 degrees i mean..
[10:12] <Burgundavia> zxc, do you need something that OO can
[10:12] <Xappe> delire: ok, thnx
[10:12] <Burgundavia> zxc, cant do ?
[10:12] <delire> Raskall: that's the spirit..
[10:12] <shad0w1e> delire: killing telnet left the program I started running on the server machin. thanks, but is it leaving a telnet session open on that end too?
[10:13] <thomas> shido6: if crossover wont work then its highly unlikely that wine will work as crossover is based upon wine
[10:13] <Xappe> delire: I think the fans start at like 51 C
[10:13] <zxc> Burgundavia, for school work we have to take screencaps on Microsoft Excel so yeah
[10:13] <zxc> I'll look in Crossover then
[10:13] <delire> shad0w1e: you want to kill telnet on the server?
[10:13] <Burgundavia> zxc, screencaps of Excel for school, you poor man
[10:13] <jiyuu0> can someone test this torrent file?
[10:13] <jiyuu0> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=969
[10:13] <shad0w1e> I dont want to be wasting resources
[10:13] <jiyuu0> i'm not sure it's workin
[10:13] <shad0w1e> like if its keeping a telnet session open for me even though Im no longer logged in...
[10:13] <mjr> zxc, plain wine will probably run it quite enough for you
[10:13] <Burgundavia> jiyuu0, it is a bz2, not a torrent
[10:13] <Raskall> delire: I see shorewalll does traffic shaping to. Nice. :) Maybe just give unknown clients 9600 baud or something.
[10:13] <delire> Xappe: there are tweaks for this kind of thing. you may want to look at extensions to what ACPI is offered on the platform or see #debian-ppc
[10:14] <jiyuu0> Burgundavia, bunzip2 it
[10:14] <thoreauputic_> shad0w1e: as I said, you need "screen"
[10:14] <shido6> i got 3ddesk to act right with the acquire 0 option
[10:14] <jiyuu0> it's the ubuntuguide.org CD
[10:14] <shido6> so my FPS isnt screwed up anymore
[10:14] <thoreauputic_> shad0w1e: man screen is a big document....
[10:14] <gunny> zxc check  out the thread on installing wine from cvs  works very well and winetools has an office installer :)
[10:14] <shad0w1e> if youd tell me exactly how do it , maybe i could do it...
[10:14] <shad0w1e> oh man
[10:14] <shad0w1e> good point
[10:14] <Xappe> delire: ok, as long as it's in a quite normal temperature range i'm satisfied I think
[10:14] <delire> Raskall: ;) traffic shaping. i have yet to find a rainy day to explore shorewall's offering in that regard but it looks like alot of fun.
[10:14] <tremblay> Anyone here using Ubuntu64?
[10:14] <thoreauputic_> shad0w1e: I cn't explain everything about "screen" on IRC :)
[10:15] <Burgundavia> jiyuu0, it works, but why the extra setp?
[10:15] <shad0w1e> i can man it, true
[10:15] <shad0w1e> thanks
[10:15] <Xappe> delire: and i'm quite afraid of the debian channels :)
[10:15] <thoreauputic_> shad0w1e: it's worth it
[10:15] <Raskall> delire: I use it on my ipcop firewall to the net. It is quite cool to se the download rate drop 20% as soon as the phone rings or we make a call.
[10:15] <mkde> Xappe, me too
[10:15] <jiyuu0> Burgundavia, this is my torrent
[10:15] <jiyuu0> not really know how
[10:15] <jiyuu0> hehe
[10:15] <Raskall> delire: I have ip phone, but you got that i guess.
[10:16] <jiyuu0> Burgundavia, what's the speed?
[10:16] <delire> Xappe: there are many many people running Debian-based OS's on Apple PPC machines. don't be afraid to ask such hw specific questions in #debian-ppc. simonrvn, the mage of this topic is quite approachable.
[10:16] <mkde> jiyuu0, torrent files are usually pretty small, you might not need to compress it :)
[10:16] <jiyuu0> mkde, the torrent is in the forum
[10:16] <jiyuu0> have to compress to bz only can upload
[10:16] <delire> Raskall: sure i do.. i want to play around with shaping for this load in particular.
[10:17] <Burgundavia> jiyuu0, now it broke
[10:17] <Raskall> delire: hey. its a webmin module for shorewall too.
[10:17] <Marble3> holycow: wth, that killed my internet
[10:17] <mkde> jiyuu0, ok i see
[10:17] <Marble3> how do I fix it?
[10:17] <Marble3> sudo ifconfig up doesn't work
[10:17] <FlyingSquirrel32> anyone know of a good simple set of directions on NFS and/or DNS?
[10:17] <jiyuu0> Burgundavia, broke?
[10:17] <mkde> Marble3, yes that was an irresponsible remark you were given
[10:17] <delire> Xappe: #debian* channels can be a pain in the arse i know. the *ppc channel is a bit lighter on the bad attitude
[10:17] <jiyuu0> meaning i did somethign wrong or my line bad
[10:17] <Dark3Lite> wastrel
[10:17] <Marble3> very
[10:17] <Xappe> delire: ok :)
[10:17] <Dark3Lite> how do I configure my modem again
[10:17] <Dark3Lite> wvdial ?
[10:17] <delire> Raskall: this is good if you are selling a service BTW. admins love webmin..
[10:17] <Marble3> how do I get it working again?
[10:17] <Burgundavia> jiyuu0, I didn't get it to start, even though it recognized the torrent
[10:17] <thoreauputic_> Marble3: try ifup eth0
[10:18] <mkde> Marble3, yes
[10:18] <mkde> what he said
[10:18] <Marble3> ifup: interface eth0 already configured
[10:18] <IIIEars> Does network places see the rest of the windows printers/computers without tweaking it?
[10:18] <chet__> efnet split?
[10:18] <jiyuu0> Burgundavia, i'll check it out
[10:18] <Dark3Lite> thoreauputi trying to get my modem to work..
[10:18] <Dark3Lite> wvdial /
[10:18] <Dark3Lite> ?
[10:18] <delire> anyway.. time to run.
[10:18] <delire> hasta la pasta chicos
[10:19] <thoreauputic_> Marble3: sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[10:19] <Marble3> I used --force and it worked
[10:19] <Marble3> should I still do that?
[10:19] <IIIEars> can i share my windows printer more easily with my linux computers than i can share a linux printer with my wifes windows machine?
[10:19] <mkde> Marble3, restarting as thoreauputic_ advises is safer
[10:19] <thoreauputic_> Marble3: if it worked, leave it alone ;)
[10:20] <Raskall> delire: yup. I have made a concept I call "Smubuntu server" that includes a readily configured firewall, spam- and virus-filtering mailserver, webserver and sambaserver. I will take $300 for a server installation and sell remote maintenance agreements for $150 a month.
[10:20] <Marble3> okay
[10:20] <Marble3> brb
[10:20] <gregy> hello
[10:20] <Raskall> delire: so webmin modules are great for remote management tasks. :)
[10:20] <Marble2> there we go
[10:20] <Marble2> I was vnc'd into another machine
[10:20] <Raskall> delire: the sm in smubuntu stands for "small and medium size business"
[10:20] <gregy> Is it possible to make an update with the ubunto OS?
[10:21] <Marble2> so as for my original question, how can I log all in/out connections my computer makes?
[10:21] <thoreauputic_> gregy: possible and simple
[10:21] <gregy> ? and wher is the application? to update
[10:21] <thoreauputic_> gregy: synaptic package manager, or apt-get
[10:22] <IIIEars> Raskall - buddy, - grin - throw me a line - Does Ubuntu see windows shares normally without tweaking it? - not going to ask you to walk me through it.
[10:22] <Marble2> IIIEars: does for me
[10:22] <IIIEars> Ah - okay - been hacked
[10:22] <Raskall> IIIEars: my ubuntu server is a windows NT Primary Domain Controller. Handles login scripts, shares, printers etc, etc, etc,
[10:23] <Marble2> in nautilus go to network:///
[10:23] <Marble2> you should see windows network there
[10:23] <mkde> Marble2, google showed this http://humdi.net/vnstat/
[10:23] <IIIEars> MS domain controllers use PPC to do that?
[10:23] <holycow> Marble2, hey just wanted to appologize for my suggestion
[10:23] <IIIEars> er "Remote Procedure Call" system to do that?
[10:23] <gregy> synaptic package manager OUps where can i find it (i am a newbies lol)
[10:23] <holycow> Marble2, it wasn't malicious, i litterally misread your question
[10:24] <holycow> and gave you something close to what i thought you were asking
[10:24] <holycow> Marble2, sorry :)
[10:24] <thoreauputic_> IIIEars: a samba server can masquerade as a windows server
[10:24] <Raskall> IIIEars:  I remember back in the days where windows NT 4.0 was new. I set up a samba BCD on my employers net. My boss ran into my office panting hysterically asking me: "Have you installed a windows nt 5.0 server in our net"? I had told the samba server to identify itself as a winnt 5.0 machine.
[10:24] <Raskall> IIIEars: it was hilarious.
[10:25] <IIIEars> Great - er ya mean i get -all- the functionality without paying? - grin
[10:25] <Goonie> can anyone tell me why Firefox says I need to install Java plugin when I just installed jre 5.01 ?
[10:25] <thoreauputic_> IIIEars: you got it
[10:25] <jiyuu0> Burgundavia, can u try again?
[10:25] <adq> how can I install java plugin on ubuntu ppc?
[10:25] <thoreauputic_> Goonie: because your plugins are misconfigured
[10:26] <IIIEars> I would love to to do bare metal windows restore from disk images. - what should i google for?
[10:26] <Raskall> IIIEars:  practically, yes. With samba 3.0 I even think you can set up an AD.
[10:26] <thoreauputic_> Goonie: http://ubuntuguide.org/#java
[10:26] <Goonie> thoreauputic_~ thx
[10:27] <dataw0lf|w> Raskall: You're right, you can.
[10:27] <larsrohdin> can someone tell me a good imageviewer?
[10:27] <mjr> adq, pretty much no way, sun doesn't support that configuration
[10:27] <Raskall> dataw0lf|w: I just love the OSS world.
[10:27] <Goonie> larsrohdin~ pornview is good
[10:27] <larsrohdin> Goonie, is it easy?
[10:27] <Goonie> larsrohdin~ yeah.. simple and fast
[10:28] <Raskall> larsrohdin: imagemagick. it includes a descent viewer too. ("display" from the command line)
[10:28] <thoreauputic_> larsrohdin: hands free ;)
[10:28] <larsrohdin> ok, ill try
[10:28] <larsrohdin> thoreauputic_, more than i needed to kno;)
[10:28] <adq> :-( is't impossible?
[10:28] <thoreauputic_> heh :)
[10:28] <dataw0lf|w> Raskall: Agreed.
[10:28] <IIIEars> It isn't easy being "green" (120 hours using Linux) - google is my friend - lol
[10:29] <shido6> gqview works great
[10:29] <shido6> thank you
[10:29] <dataw0lf|w> IIIEars: good for you.  Alot of newbies tend not to use google to it's full extent.
[10:29] <shido6> anu vlc users ? :)
[10:29] <shido6> any vlc users?
[10:29] <holycow> gnome baker rocks
[10:30] <holycow> love it
[10:30] <holycow> :)
[10:30] <holycow> thx to whomever pointed that out to me th eother week
[10:30] <adq> and what with e.g. acrobat reader on ubuntu ppc? xpdf is not good...
[10:30] <K_Dallas> wierd internet connection: DSL connection, run pon dsl-provider, after a while some of the programs stop working like my email or browser while others are still connected. i do poff -a and pon again and they work! what is wrong with it? Thanks
[10:30] <shido6> Intel ICH5 (ALSA Mixer) , Analog Devices AD1985 (OSS Mixer) and USDB Audio (Alsa mixer) how do i get vlc to work with them all?
[10:30] <thoreauputic_> holycow: you're welcome ;)
[10:31] <shido6> USDB should be USB, rather
[10:31] <larsrohdin> yeah! i like pornview=) thanks guys
[10:31] <qweqw> happy whacking
[10:32] <larsrohdin> =)
[10:32] <thoreauputic_> only in Linux could you get away with calling an app Pornview...
[10:32] <larsrohdin> thoreauputic_, yeah, but its cool...
[10:32] <thoreauputic_> agreed
[10:33] <petteri> I have downloaded opera_8.0-20050415.5-shared-qt_en_sarge_i386.deb file, how I can install it?
[10:33] <qweqw> dpkg -i file
[10:33] <petteri> Okay
[10:33] <Dark3Lite> anyone here familiar with ndiswrapper
[10:33] <thoreauputic_> sudo dpkg -i opera <tab>
[10:33] <K_Dallas> and it installs perfectly :)
[10:34] <Shopeonarope> how do i remove and reinstall the network settings?
[10:34] <petteri> This computer sucks
[10:34] <Shopeonarope> my network card is no onger configured sorrectly
[10:35] <jiyuu0> can someone try this?
[10:35] <jiyuu0> wget -c http://gd002.homeip.net:81/ubuntu-5.04-add-on-2005-04-28.tgz
[10:35] <qweqw> look in /etc/network/
[10:35] <adq> is anyone here using ubuntu on ppc?
[10:35] <petteri> When I was installing ubuntu, this warty. Install didn't ask root password, and now I dont know my root password because I havent set it up
[10:36] <qweqw> the interfaces file is what you are looking for
[10:36] <petteri> How I can know it
[10:36] <larsrohdin> petteri, you don't need it... use "sudo command"
[10:36] <Shopeonarope> ok got it
[10:36] <CarlK> jiyuu0 - getting something super slow.  wonder how may others are too
[10:36] <petteri> Okay
[10:36] <adq> petteri reboot your machine and start as linux -single then you can change passwd root
[10:36] <jiyuu0> CarlK, it's on 512k broadband
[10:36] <qweqw> edit that to your liking..
[10:37] <CarlK>  0% [                                     ]  212,608        6.35K/s ETA 17:21:30
[10:37] <petteri> How I can install that sshd server?
[10:37] <qweqw> pray for me
[10:37] <jiyuu0> i'm figuring how to share this file out
[10:37] <CarlK> ill get back to you tomorrow ;)
[10:37] <Raskall> hmm.. where's the database component of OOo2?
[10:37] <jiyuu0> hehe
[10:37] <jiyuu0> 17 hours
[10:37] <Shopeonarope> and you assume i know how to do that
[10:37] <larsrohdin> petteri, use apt-get install "name of package"
[10:37] <jiyuu0> if only torrent would work
[10:37] <petteri> But what is name?
[10:37] <qweqw> edit files?
[10:37] <Burgundavia> jiyuu0, can you give me the link?
[10:37] <petteri> apt-get instal ssh ?
[10:37] <Shopeonarope> edit it properly
[10:37] <qweqw> what do you need to change
[10:37] <jiyuu0> Burgundavia, wget -c http://gd002.homeip.net:81/ubuntu-5.04-add-on-2005-04-28.tgz
[10:37] <Shopeonarope> so it works again
[10:38] <jiyuu0> if too many ppl connect... sure it will be slower right?
[10:38] <larsrohdin> petteri, ok search with "sudo apt-cache search"
[10:38] <qweqw> that's awful vague
[10:38] <Burgundavia> jiyuu0, I get it
[10:38] <jiyuu0> Burgundavia, u familiar wif torrent?
[10:38] <Burgundavia> jiyuu0, not really
[10:38] <petteri> Okay
[10:38] <qweqw> i have to use the restroom, so wait or ask someone else.. brb
[10:39] <larsrohdin> petteri, you should get alot of hits
[10:39] <Shopeonarope> well the linux recognizes the card but won't enable it
[10:39] <petteri> openssh-server ?
[10:39] <qweqw> ifconfig -a
[10:39] <thoreauputic_> larsrohdin: sudo isn't required for apt-cache search , BTW
[10:39] <larsrohdin> yeah, if you want it...
[10:39] <qweqw> is a ethernet device on there
[10:39] <larsrohdin> thoreauputic_, oh ok...
[10:40] <Shopeonarope> yea
[10:40] <Moo> Hi
[10:40] <Shopeonarope> and in the control center i click enable device and it does for a second then disables again
[10:40] <Moo> I can't get Ubuntu to load =/ "GRUB is loading. Please wait..." and nothing happens.
[10:40] <Burgundavia> Shopeonarope, this in Kubuntu?
[10:40] <qweqw> i have no idea what the control center is
[10:40] <Shopeonarope> yea
[10:41] <qweqw> check dmesg
[10:41] <larsrohdin> thoreauputic_, go easy on me=) if just got this far so i can begin helping people here too=)
[10:41] <qweqw> for any errors
[10:41] <Burgundavia> Shopeonarope, I would try #kubuntu we be gnome folks are here
[10:41] <Moo> I can't get Ubuntu to load =/ "GRUB is loading. Please wait..." and nothing happens.
[10:41] <thoreauputic_> larsrohdin: oh, sorry - iwasn't criticising - just trying to be informative
[10:41] <holycow> hey guys, what is the default/preffered method of handling cdrom autodetection/management ... is it best for discover to handle cdrom device management?  because i think i turned that off and not sure if will cause potential issues
[10:42] <Shopeonarope> i was thinking that,
[10:42] <Shopeonarope> thanks man
[10:42] <qweqw> good luck
[10:42] <larsrohdin> thoreauputic_, no, i didn't mean it so, it was a joke=)
[10:42] <shido6> odd
[10:42] <shido6> xine works
[10:42] <shido6> with my usb audio
[10:42] <Marble2> What is there that can log all in/out connections. Preferrably something command line based.
[10:42] <thoreauputic_> larsrohdin: OK :)
[10:42] <Dark3Lite> hmm
[10:42] <qweqw> it's not really necessary, holycow
[10:42] <Dark3Lite> in device manager my modem is tehre
[10:42] <Dark3Lite> but wvdial won't detect it..
[10:42] <Moo> Can anyone help me?
[10:42] <qweqw> unless you absolutely need /dev/cdrom
[10:43] <qweqw> cdrom*
[10:43] <larsrohdin> Moo, with what?
[10:43] <holycow> okay ... then what app adds/removes devices from fstab?
[10:43] <Moo> I can't get Ubuntu to load =/ "GRUB is loading. Please wait..." and nothing happens.
[10:43] <larsrohdin> dont ask to ask
[10:43] <thoreauputic_> Dark3Lite: have you tried using sudo pppconfig instead?
[10:43] <qweqw> a text editor
[10:43] <Moo> what could be the problem?
[10:43] <qweqw> put a # in front of whatever you don't want to mount at boot
[10:43] <holycow> i added an hd today temporarily and it got recognized as /dev/hdd ... where the cdrom used to be, and the cdrom was unrecognized for a bit u ntil a reboot?
[10:43] <larsrohdin> Moo, sorry i didn't see that you had already asked..
[10:44] <Moo> its ok
[10:44] <thoreauputic_> Dark3Lite: and tell it the right ttyS0 or whatever rather than relying on /dev/modem
[10:44] <larsrohdin> i dont know alot about grub...
[10:44] <qweqw> the HD is hotpluggable?
[10:44] <qweqw> or what
[10:44] <holycow> brand new
[10:44] <holycow> not hotpluggable ...
[10:44] <qweqw> there's no set device names
[10:45] <holycow> this was installed with the usual reboot process ... setup as a slave on ide chain 2
[10:45] <qweqw> it might have moved to hdc, hde..
[10:45] <Dark3Lite> thoreauputic but wvdial scans all the ports so it should detect it
[10:45] <Dark3Lite> hmm..
[10:45] <qweqw> put a cd in and try to mount any of those devices
[10:45] <Dark3Lite> I don't know which ttys0 it is..
[10:45] <Dark3Lite> then how do I dial out
[10:45] <thoreauputic_> Dark3Lite: com1 is ttyS0
[10:45] <holycow> *hmmm* heres where the confustion comes in ... the /dev/hdd in places menu was correctly recognized as an hd device and appropriate icon was placed there but ...
[10:45] <Dark3Lite> yeah
[10:46] <thoreauputic_> Dark3Lite: ttyS1 is com2
[10:46] <Dark3Lite> yeah
[10:46] <qweqw> open a terminal
[10:46] <Dark3Lite> I get it..
[10:46] <Dark3Lite> lol trying to remember which com it was in winxp
[10:46] <Dark3Lite> lol
[10:46] <qweqw> dmesg|grep CD-
[10:46] <thoreauputic_> Dark3Lite: I have more luck with pppconfig for dialup
[10:46] <Dark3Lite> but it can't scan
[10:47] <Dark3Lite> because it says can't scan when pppd is running
[10:47] <thoreauputic_> Dark3Lite: if you know which serial port, it doesn't need to
[10:47] <thoreauputic_> Dark3Lite: so kill pppd if necessary...
[10:48] <qweqw> if you don't see your CD-ROM, maybe you got some cables mixed up or you have too many devices
[10:48] <qweqw> brb
[10:49] <holycow> my fstab still had and entry pointint to /media/cdrom0 for /dev/hdd ... and it threw some garbage error at that time ... i'm just wondering what app actually handles the fstab entries once discover the devices?
[10:50] <Dark3Lite> thoreauputic
[10:50] <Dark3Lite> how do I dial out after configuring
[10:50] <thoreauputic_> Dark3Lite: use pon
[10:51] <thoreauputic_> Dark3Lite: or pon providername if you defined one
[10:51] <thoreauputic_> Dark3Lite: poff to disconnect
[10:51] <patrickf> Someone know a good partition-tool for ubuntu?
[10:52] <Dark3Lite> hmm
[10:52] <Dark3Lite> cool..
[10:52] <qweqw> does ubuntu automatically delete/add fstab entries?
[10:52] <thoreauputic_> Dark3Lite: nad make sure you are in the dialout and dip groups
[10:52] <Dark3Lite> yeah
[10:52] <qweqw> parted, patrickf
[10:52] <qweqw> with a gui front end
[10:52] <qweqw> sysrescuecd.org
[10:52] <qweqw> rt
[10:52] <qweqw> forget the domain name
[10:53] <Dark3Lite> hmm
[10:53] <qweqw> http://www.sysresccd.org/
[10:53] <patrickf> he? the name of the partition programm is parted?
[10:53] <qweqw> there it is
[10:53] <qweqw> yup
[10:53] <qweqw> i dunno, holycow.
[10:53] <patrickf> for the desktop or only txt?
[10:54] <qweqw> i have always edited fstab myself
[10:54] <qweqw> it's an ISO with a gui front-end
[10:54] <shido6> i get no sound with ut2004demo
[10:54] <Xappe> i tried gparted to make a fat32 partition, but it formatted as ext2 even though I told it to use fat32...but I fixed it with fdisk when I put the disk in the comp that it was meant to be in...
[10:54] <qweqw> bootable cd
[10:54] <thoreauputic_> patrickf: if you want a GUI, qtparted or gparted
[10:54] <qweqw> the sysrescuecd has worked great for me
[10:55] <Brunellus> hurrah, it's alive!
[10:55] <Dark3Lite> thanks thoreauputic
[10:55] <Dark3Lite> will test it laterz
[10:55] <Brunellus> now I get to bring down my nice 'net access and see if I can get it up and running with the 2.6.10 kernel
[10:55] <Brunellus> yay
[10:55] <Brunellus> life is nice when you realise you've been an idiot, and then take appropriate corrective action
[10:56] <qweqw> like vasectomy
[10:56] <Brunellus> well, not quite so
[10:56] <qweqw> that would be nice
[10:56] <Brunellus> like remembering to $ifup wlan0
[10:57] <Brunellus> I was racking my brains last night wondering why I couldn't get my wlan up after an upgrade to hoary
[10:57] <Brunellus> and today I rememberd I hadn't done an ifup
[10:57] <qweqw> it's the graphical hand-holding
[10:57] <Marble2> What is there that can log all in/out connections. Preferrably something command line based.
[10:57] <Pinguvin> Hi, evertime i start a gnome-terminal it runs fortune and exits. How can I change it back? :\
[10:58] <qweqw> tcpdump?
[10:58] <IIIEars> hm - if CTRL+ALT+F2 brings me to the terminal  root is a valid user for login using the password set at install - no?
[10:58] <qweqw> no, IIIEars
[10:58] <IIIEars> no?
[10:58] <qweqw> root has no password
[10:58] <jiyuu0> Brunellus, are u still downloading the file?
[10:58] <IIIEars> interesting
[10:58] <qweqw> sudo bash
[10:58] <qweqw> for a root shell
[10:58] <IIIEars> back to google for more in the Ubuntu wiki - wide grin
[10:59] <Brunellus> what file jiyuu0 ?
[10:59] <theine> or sudo -s
[10:59] <IIIEars> Thank You
[10:59] <jiyuu0> the wget file
[10:59] <patrickf> I think "QTParted" is good
[11:00] <qweqw> yes
[11:00] <patrickf> Should I download "Sources qtparted-0.4.4.tar.bz2" for Ubuntu?
[11:00] <qweqw> what, it's not in the repositories?
[11:00] <qweqw> qtparted - A parted frontend using QT
[11:01] <qweqw> sudo apt-get install qtparted
[11:01] <qweqw> did you add universe to your sources.list ?
[11:01] <Brunellus> h'mmm.
[11:02] <quix_> hello
[11:02] <Brunellus> so now, mplayer gives me no sound in gnome
[11:02] <thoreauputic_> patrickf: always use the ubuntu package management if at all possible
[11:02] <Brunellus> interesting.
[11:02] <Brunellus> whereas before, it did.  and now, I can't even open Totem
[11:02] <Brunellus> (not that I'd want to)
[11:02] <patrickf> ok
[11:02] <patrickf> I look in the package manager
[11:02] <theine> patrickf, do yourself a favour and add the universe and multiverse repositories
[11:03] <thoreauputic_> patrickf: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[11:03] <thoreauputic_> patrickf: read that and add universe and multiverse
[11:03] <qweqw> what is multiverse
[11:04] <thoreauputic_> qweqw: non-free packages ( with some restrictions etc)
[11:04] <Freedomzen> a multi demensional universe
[11:04] <thoreauputic_> qweqw: Free as in freedom odf course :)
[11:04] <qweqw> oh
[11:04] <qweqw> that's where flash is at
[11:04] <thoreauputic_> or non-free as in freedom I should have said
[11:05] <thoreauputic_> qweqw: flash has patent issues I think
[11:05] <qweqw> lame
[11:05] <qweqw> so, flash is not in any of the repositories..
[11:06] <qweqw> ?
[11:06] <tiggggr> flash is easy to install on firefox, just goto some flash site and press the "press here to install plugin" button that is displayed where the flash should be
[11:06] <thoreauputic_> qweqw: yes, in multiverse
[11:06] <qweqw> ok
[11:06] <qweqw> doesn't work for me, tiggggr
[11:06] <tiggggr> oh :(
[11:07] <qweqw> firefox plug-in automagic downloader sucks
[11:07] <chet__> is this the latest/best mplayer howto?  http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-94.html
[11:07] <Brunellus> queqw:  read the restricted-formats page in the wiki
[11:07] <qweqw> why?
[11:07] <thoreauputic_> qweqw: flashplugin-nonfree I think
[11:07] <Brunellus> thoreauputic:  yes, that's it
[11:08] <Brunellus> OK.  will someone explain to me what the difference is between OSS and ALSA
[11:08] <qweqw> two different systems
[11:08] <qweqw> :)
[11:08] <thoreauputic_> qweqw: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats  << worth reading for a number of reasons
[11:09] <Brunellus> ?
[11:09] <qweqw> that's pretty much it, Brunellus
[11:09] <qweqw> different libraries and APIs
[11:09] <thoreauputic_> Brunellus: OSS was *it* before ALSA came along
[11:10] <qweqw> probably some IP issues as well
[11:10] <nix000> is there a way to make apache2 act as apache1.3 ?
[11:10] <qweqw> ALSA emulates OSS anyway
[11:10] <nix000> google is of no use here !
[11:11] <matt3> in what way do you want ap2 to act like ap1.3?
[11:11] <amichai> can someone help me? i'm only running x-chat and my cpu usage is 100%
[11:12] <qweqw> open a terminal
[11:12] <qweqw> run top
[11:12] <nix000> matt3, i have this php app that just works in apache1.3 but cant get it to work in ap2
[11:12] <Brunellus> OK.  so if ALSA is the dogs' bollocks, I assume that's what's running in hoary, right?
[11:12] <amichai> qweqw, ok done
[11:12] <qweqw> what application is hogging resources?
[11:12] <quix_> can someone help me this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=29549
[11:12] <qweqw> top one
[11:12] <thoreauputic_> Brunellus: all 2.6.* kernels use ALSA
[11:12] <amichai> qweqw, clamscan, that could be it. virus scan?
[11:13] <qweqw> don't know
[11:13] <Goonie> can anyone help me with synaptics (touchpad driver) config ??
[11:13] <qweqw> clamscan cronjob shell script: Automatically scan your entire Unix system for
[11:13] <qweqw> viruses every day.
[11:13] <Brunellus> ok, so that's fine.  so why is /dev/dsp always busy when gnome is running?
[11:13] <thoreauputic_> amichai: do you need a virus scanner?
[11:13] <qweqw> thjat
[11:13] <amichai> qweqw, its using 50+%
[11:13] <Burgundavia> Brunellus, because esound is using it
[11:13] <qweqw> lol
[11:13] <DarwinsBulldog> Thoreau, not quite true. ALSA is the default sound system for 2.6 kernels, but you can compile a 2.6 kernel to use OSS
[11:14] <qweqw> i can think of only one virus for linux
[11:14] <thoreauputic_> DarwinsBulldog: OK I stand corrected :)
[11:14] <amichai> thoreauputic_, to protect my windows e-mail buddies, but its only doing it now, cos i set it to scan at this time.
[11:14] <DarwinsBulldog> I am not aware of any distro shipping a 2.6 kernel that does not use ALSA though.
[11:14] <thoreauputic_> amichai: ah, OK that makes sense then :)
[11:14] <qweqw> ahh, it's an e-mail scanner?
[11:14] <amichai> thoreauputic_, i just didnt know that it would scan regardless of me logging out
[11:15] <qweqw> cron executes it
[11:15] <amichai> qweqw, thats what i use it for
[11:15] <Brunellus> thoreauputic_:  *why* is esound using it
[11:15] <amichai> so its normal?
[11:15] <qweqw> yeah
[11:15] <foodcoman> Hola!
[11:15] <qweqw> i assume so
[11:15] <Brunellus> because so long as esound is sitting on it, totem is segfaulting
[11:15] <IIIEars> Wow! - qtparted can only read disks - will creating a special priviledged user group change it?
[11:15] <Brunellus> also xmms
[11:15] <Burgundavia> Brunellus, to allow multiple apps to play stuff
[11:15] <Burgundavia> Brunellus, totem shouldn't segfault
[11:15] <Brunellus> ahahahahahahah
[11:15] <qweqw> sudo crontab -e
[11:16] <thoreauputic_> Brunellus: umm - I'm no sound expert, but I think esd is a daemon that runs all the time
[11:16] <amichai> never stop learning with linux...thanx guys...gnight
[11:16] <qweqw> if you want to change the time it runs
[11:16] <Burgundavia> Brunellus, and xmms allows you to choose your backend
[11:16] <qweqw> why would you bother
[11:16] <Brunellus> so what should I specify for that?
[11:16] <qweqw> send it right to the sound device
[11:16] <qweqw> get rid of the sound daemons
[11:17] <DarwinsBulldog> Brunellus, if you want to stop esd running to test totem issue this command: sudo killall esd
[11:17] <qweqw> what's the use, except for networking?
[11:17] <hybrid> hello all
[11:17] <DarwinsBulldog> I need to do that to get sound in cedega
[11:18] <Burgundavia> most universe stuff needs to have esd killed
[11:18] <Burgundavia> as do most games
[11:18] <Goonie> can anyone help me with synaptics (touchpad driver) config ??
[11:18] <hybrid> Burgunavia: thats the only way i get wound is esd
[11:18] <Rubin> anyone compiled the nvidia-kernel-source package themselves? im getting errors
[11:18] <zxc> I haven't got a swap, do I need on to play games such a flightgear at a good speed
[11:18] <Brunellus> was esd running in warty, or is it new to hoary?
[11:19] <jnoon> where do i select the font to be used by default for Western European ISO-8859-1?  system wide setting if possible?
[11:19] <thoreauputic_> Brunellus: no, it runs in Warty
[11:19] <Brunellus> and yes, whoever said it, totem does segfault, spectacularly, without my doing anything but run it
[11:19] <qweqw> unless you absolutely positively need to hear the stupid gnome sounds
[11:19] <sf2k5> I have a synaptic touchpad, who needed help with that?
[11:19] <Burgundavia> Brunellus, you running totem-gstreamer or totem-xine?
[11:19] <thoreauputic_> Brunellus: install xine-ui
[11:20] <thoreauputic_> Burgundavia: both have issues here - I just use xine-ui
[11:20] <Brunellus> mplayer runs, but runs without sound in gnome.  (runs just fine in flux!)
[11:20] <Brunellus> I'm running totem-gsteamer
[11:20] <sf2k5> mplayer -ao alsa
[11:20] <thoreauputic_> Brunellus: install xine
[11:20] <Brunellus> it ran *justfine* in warty
[11:20] <Burgundavia> thoreauputic_, I use totem-xine with no issues
[11:21] <thoreauputic_> Burgundavia: OK - that's nice for you :)
[11:21] <Brunellus> thoreauputic_:  mplayer had been working just fine.  I just want sound
[11:21] <Burgundavia> thoreauputic_, indeed
[11:21] <Brunellus> I mean, yeah, I have a few *silent* movies (like, uh, Nosferatu)
[11:21] <thoreauputic_> Brunellus: understandably
[11:21] <Brunellus> but I'd like to be able to hear the sound on my nonsilent ones.
[11:22] <thoreauputic_> try mplayer -ao oss
[11:22] <t3rror> is there anyway that i can make a vnc connection take over the currently logged in user without having to allow it?  i am trying to setup a monitor-less server
[11:23] <IIIEars> lol - ouch - how many times can you watch "The Terminator" without sound without hearing arnis say "I'll be ba-ack.."
[11:23] <Rubin> nvidia-glx depends on  linux-image-2.6.10-5-386, but i compiled my kernel myself
[11:23] <Brunellus> yeah.  actually, the best line there is "GET O-U-T" (he pronounces each letter separately)
[11:23] <qweqw> how did you manage that
[11:23] <IIIEars> heh
[11:24] <qweqw> ubuntu refuses to boot my compiled kernels
[11:24] <chet__> i got mplayer to install only using synaptic, unlike some of the howto's
[11:24] <IIIEars> << just added xine-ui - Thanks
[11:25] <dazzed> qweqw: cuz it doesnt like u :)
[11:25] <Marble2> What is there that can log all in/out connections. Preferrably something command line based.
[11:25] <Brunellus> h'mmm.
[11:25] <thoreauputic_> chet__: yes, crimsun has it in the repos I think now
[11:25] <qweqw> oh yeah
[11:25] <AirWays> Is there apache ready in ubuntu?
[11:25] <t3rror> damnit, i can't find any good information about auto-accepting a vnc connection anywhere
[11:25] <t3rror> you would think that it would be a standard thing...
[11:25] <chet__> anyhow, its making life easier for a nebie
[11:25] <chet__> newbie even
[11:25] <Brunellus> ok, seriously:  how can I get mplayer to give me sound
[11:25] <t3rror> lots of people ask about it, but no one has any answers
[11:25] <qweqw> Marble2, tcpdump
[11:26] <chet__> mplayer works for me, sound ect..
[11:26] <Brunellus> the only driver I have in mplayer that has 'configure driver' is 'oss'
[11:26] <thoreauputic_> Brunellus: <thoreauputic_> try mplayer -ao oss <file>
[11:26] <Brunellus> yeah, the audio is already going to oss
[11:26] <Marble2> thanks
[11:26] <Brunellus> but no sound
[11:26] <thoreauputic_> Brunellus: hmmm
[11:26] <mcquillg> I'm looking for a good gui editor (not vim or emacs based) that supports sftp file edits similar to jedit (which doesn't seem to be in multiuniverse
[11:26] <mcquillg> )
[11:26] <mcquillg> any suggestions?
[11:27] <DarwinsBulldog> Rubin, I suspect your problem is this. You have compiled a new kernel, but the nvidia driver, which is a kernel module, has not been recompiled againt the new kernel.
[11:27] <thoreauputic_> Brunellus: maybe try  -ao alsa then
[11:27] <Brunellus> error:  "could not open/initialize audio device > no sound"
[11:27] <Burgundavia> Rubin, is there a particular reason you compiled a new kernel?
[11:27] <qweqw> i don't get it
[11:27] <qweqw> how did you get the kernel to boot, Rubin
[11:27] <thoreauputic_> Brunellus: weird - alsa works here on warty
[11:28] <qweqw> did you create an init ramdisk?
[11:28] <usynic> any of you have gmailfs working?
[11:28] <Brunellus> thoreauputic_:  I upgraded from warty (which I loved!) to hoary (which i don't)
[11:28] <thoreauputic_> time to go - see you all later :)
[11:29] <Brunellus> it's been the boulevard of broken sound
[11:29] <Brunellus> I don't want to use the media-player, whatever the heck it is.  I want xmms and mplayer
[11:29] <len_> hehe
[11:29] <hybrid> Brunellus: amen i love mplayer
[11:29] <Burgundavia> Brunellus, media-player is totem
[11:30] <Brunellus> I don't want totem.  I don't want whatever the hell the audio jukebox junk is
[11:30] <Brunellus> ugh.
[11:30] <hybrid> lol
[11:30] <chet__> rythmbox
[11:30] <mcquillg> any suggestions for a gui editor that does sftp/ssh editing of files?
[11:30] <amichai> can anyone tell me how to edit xorg.conf to have more keyboard layouts. I did in the xkbox option "us,il" and i dont get the il layout, even though i used to.
[11:30] <amichai> il = hebrew
[11:31] <Brunellus> but now it's just that idiotic jukebox that'll play my oggs and not xmms, which I liked better
[11:31] <Brunellus> totem won't even run
[11:31] <Brunellus> and mplayer kicks me back into the silent era
[11:31] <Brunellus> time to download some Buster Keaton movies
[11:31] <jnoon> where do changes to what fonts are default for what encoding go?
[11:31] <amichai> when i try to start a session in hebrew it says he_IL uft-8 not found, but i installed all the packs
[11:31] <Brunellus> yes, rythmbox.  I dont' want it
[11:31] <Brunellus> too big, too fat, too *much*
[11:32] <Brunellus> so mplayer gives me no sound in gnome.  so much for the fancy DE
[11:32] <len_> I use an old SB sound card. it did'nt find at installation. anyone who can tell me where I can install it manually?
[11:33] <chet__> Brunellus, do you have any sound?
[11:33] <len_> no
[11:33] <yahalom> nobody knows?
[11:33] <sf2k5> Brunellus: what happens when you run mplayer -ao alsa?
[11:33] <len_> i'll try
[11:34] <len_> urgh. command not found
[11:34] <Brunellus> chet__: I have sound:  the system's sounds (gaim, etc) and wahtever comes out of rythmbox
[11:34] <Brunellus> sf2k5:  I get the same 'no sound' error
[11:34] <sf2k5> mcquillg: sftp/ssh is not an editing function
[11:34] <nitinshantharam> whats the status of usplash?
[11:34] <nitinshantharam> for breezy
[11:34] <sf2k5> is esd or any other sound daemon running?
[11:35] <sf2k5> type fuser /dev/dsp
[11:35] <sf2k5> do you know if ALSA or OSS is being used?
[11:35] <Brunellus> I have no idea sf2k5
[11:35] <len_> no. don't think so
[11:35] <sf2k5> lsmod |grep snd
[11:35] <Brunellus> $fuser /dev/dsp returns
[11:36] <Brunellus> "/dev/dsp:    3899
[11:36] <foxiness> if im do "sudo mv -u /media/usbdisk/backup/050428/.[^.] * /home/foxiness/" will the sys show me this msg "mv: cannot overwrite directory `/home/foxiness/.gconf' "
[11:37] <sf2k5> what does lspci -v list for your sound card?
[11:37] <len_> only error message in xmms
[11:37] <Brunellus>  Intel Corp. 82801AA AC'97 Audio (rev 02)
[11:38] <Brunellus> look, sf2k5:  this all ran fine when I ran warty
[11:38] <Brunellus> I'm trying to work out what changed, because the hardware didn't change
[11:38] <itfo> is there any gui installer for ubuntu
[11:38] <qweqw> dude
[11:38] <Brunellus> itfo: none yet.  probably in the works
[11:38] <sf2k5> well something _did_ change
[11:38] <qweqw> it's like 6 dialog boxes
[11:39] <Brunellus> sf2k5, yeah I knew *that* much.  warty to hoary.
[11:39] <sf2k5> is it a custom kenel or a standard ubuntu kernel
[11:39] <Brunellus> standard vanilla i386 ubuntu kernel
[11:39] <Brunellus> I should be the posterboy of 'just work'ing
[11:39] <sf2k5> I ask a lot of questions because this can be a complex issue to troubleshoot
[11:40] <itfo> how much time it takes to install ubuntu
[11:40] <Brunellus> yeah.  it's been bugging for a few days
[11:40] <qweqw> depends on your machine
[11:40] <itfo> is it ease-to-install or it depends on your knowledge
[11:40] <Brunellus> itfo: maybe an hour, average
[11:40] <itfo> ?
[11:40] <sf2k5> is this a gnome issue btw?
[11:40] <DarwinsBulldog> Sound and Linux is probably the biggest problem with desktop installs
[11:40] <Gir__> itfo, 5 days, 3 hours and 54 minutes.
[11:40] <qweqw> pretty damn easy
[11:40] <Brunellus> sf2k5: yes, this is a gnome issue
[11:40] <itfo> im not here to troll
[11:40] <Brunellus> because all is well when I run fluxbox
[11:41] <Brunellus> (oh, by the way:
[11:41] <sf2k5> do a "ps axf |grep 3899" without the quotes
[11:41] <DarwinsBulldog> itfo, How easy Ubuntu is to install will depend on your level of knowledge.
[11:41] <qweqw> it's easy
[11:41] <Brunellus> what file do I edit to make gdm execute "startfluxbox" instead of "fluxbox"?
[11:41] <itfo> thats what i thought
[11:41] <Brunellus> I want it to use the nice .startup file
[11:41] <qweqw> .xinitrc
[11:41] <qweqw> in your home directory, Brunellus
[11:41] <Brunellus> that's it.  yes.  I keep forgetting
[11:42] <DarwinsBulldog> Brunellus, have you done 'sudo killall esd' in a terminal in Gnome ?
[11:42] <sf2k5> I use kdm or a regular console login, kde and fluxbox are the two main GUIs I used
[11:42] <itfo> what if you dont know nothing about it? DarwinsBulldog
[11:42] <itfo> only some basic
[11:42] <itfo> im kinda new to this
[11:43] <Brunellus> holy jesus
[11:43] <DarwinsBulldog> itfo, If you are not happy partitioning a drive then I would suggest Ubuntu is probably not for you.
[11:43] <Brunellus> that worked
[11:43] <len_> is there any config tools for hardware in ubuntu like in redhat?
[11:43] <itfo> i didnt say that
[11:43] <DarwinsBulldog> itfo, if on the other hand you know to make space on your harddrive then you should be ok.
[11:43] <Epix> what free linux games do you guys play?
[11:44] <DarwinsBulldog> Brunellus, what worked ?
[11:44] <Brunellus> killing esd
[11:44] <qweqw> Epix, freeciv
[11:44] <shoka> anyone see a persistant problem where aisleriot seems to corrupt gnome ? its afected warty and hoary for me?
[11:44] <DarwinsBulldog> Brunellus, thought it might :)
[11:44] <Brunellus> so again tell me why esd is such a bloody good idea?
[11:44] <itfo> coz i remember when i installed redhat, i wanna know if its the same as ubuntu
[11:44] <itfo> like how you install it
[11:44] <itfo> you know what im saying
[11:44] <Epix> anyone play any free FPSes?
[11:45] <qweqw> it's not
[11:45] <sf2k5> it had its time, under kde there is arts
[11:45] <itfo> i see
[11:45] <qweqw> there's one called Cube, Epix
[11:45] <sf2k5> before ALSA these was a need
[11:45] <qweqw> free linux games mostly suck
[11:45] <qweqw> freedoom, too
[11:45] <sf2k5> free games mostly suck
[11:45] <qweqw> go to happypenguin.org
[11:45] <hybrid> lol
[11:45] <sf2k5> free as in beer
[11:45] <Gir__> itfo, why not just give it a try?
[11:45] <Epix> qweqw, is there any way to run q3 on linux?
[11:45] <Xappe> hey, don't say that. Tux racer is awsome
[11:45] <DarwinsBulldog> Brunellus, you can fix the problem permanently by going to Preferances and changing the settings in Sound and Multimedia Systems Selector
[11:45] <sf2k5> yes
[11:45] <hybrid> free as in beer rofl
[11:45] <Gir__> When you'll know..
[11:45] <qweqw> yeah, you got the windows cd?
[11:45] <itfo> im about to Gir__, thats why im asking
[11:46] <qweqw> there's a way to convert it for linux
[11:46] <DarwinsBulldog> itfo, Ubuntu rerquires you know a bit more to install it than redhat/fedora does.
[11:46] <Brunellus> urgh.  still no sound in mplayer
[11:46] <Brunellus> dammit.
[11:46] <sf2k5> mplayer -ao alsa
[11:46] <itfo> yeah
[11:46] <qweqw> check google
[11:46] <itfo> yeah
[11:46] <qweqw> i don't know the webpage for it
[11:47] <hybrid> Brunellus: what i did was completely remove alsa in synaptic and install esd and it worked perfect
[11:47] <DarwinsBulldog> Redhat/Fedora will resize existing partitions and automatically create a suitable linux partition setup. Ubuntu will not
[11:47] <Brunellus> "could not open/initialize audio divice" no sound
[11:47] <sf2k5> ubuntu only requires more knowledge if you don't want to erase an exising partition
[11:47] <FlyingSquirrel32> I'm looking for a good simple guide to set up dns, anyone have any suggestions?
[11:47] <DarwinsBulldog> sf2k5, that is true.
[11:47] <NeWiTa> hi, i installed jbuilder 2005 in ubuntu, and all worked fine, now i installed jdk 1.5, and in Eclipse it still works fine, but when i try to run jbuilder it doesn't and gives me this output:
[11:47] <NeWiTa> /opt/Borland/JBuilder2005/bin$ LANG=pt_PT ./jbuilder
[11:47] <shoka> only difference I found between fedora and ubuntu installs is thet X was harder to get going on ubuntu.
[11:47] <NeWiTa> NeWiTa Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
[11:47] <NeWiTa> NeWiTa Xlib: No protocol specified
[11:47] <NeWiTa> NeWiTa Error: Unable to process 'splash jbuilder_2005' at line 6 in configuration file '/opt/Borland/JBuilder2005/bin/jbuilder.config'.
[11:47] <NeWiTa> anyone knows how to solve this?
[11:48] <sf2k5> the best dns guide is the O'Reilly DNS Bind book
[11:48] <sf2k5> well, maybe not "the" best, but pretty usefull
[11:48] <IIIEars> How do i speed up my integrated video card? "savage"
[11:48] <Brunellus> this is annoying as all hell.
[11:48] <^vir^> hi
[11:48] <sf2k5> what about mplayer -ao oss
[11:48] <IIIEars> no movies without it - aw...
[11:48] <sf2k5> that is weird
[11:50] <Brunellus> ugh.
[11:51] <rt> an
[11:53] <IIIEars> Daniel Stone (Ubuntu Developer) says the ProSavageDDR isn't currently supported for acceleration. bet he thinks itis a cheap piece of C#$% - well he and i are in agreement. - lol
[11:53] <Bazzi> S3 Savage?
[11:54] <IIIEars> yes
[11:54] <Bazzi> lol!
[11:54] <Bazzi> I wouldnt call it a GPU :P
[11:54] <IIIEars> heh
[11:54] <Bazzi> 3D Decellerator
[11:54] <iocaste> I have an S3 Savage in my Thinkpad
[11:54] <Epix> whats that thing u gotta kill to stop muine from segfaultin
[11:54] <iocaste> it's 3d capabilities are non-existant
[11:54] <xMaximex> If I change my motherboard, do I must reinstall linux completly ?
[11:55] <netfighter> Hello people
[11:55] <chillywilly> anyone know why my mouse flakes out under ubuntu when I use my kvm?
[11:55] <hybrid> hi
[11:55] <iocaste> its
[11:55] <chillywilly> doesn't do it when switching back and forth with winders
[11:55] <Epix> Burgundavia, what is it called? the progream that u need to kill to fix muine?
[11:55] <Epix> esd or somethin
[11:56] <netfighter> Have you guys noticed that we have 520 users in this cahnnel? Are we the #1 distro or what?
[11:56] <_chavo> xMaximex, probably not.
[11:56] <hybrid> sure are
[11:56] <IIIEars> chillywilly i use a kvm also - switching back and forth again doesn't clear it up? - windows doesn't like kvms very much either.
[11:56] <qweqw> redhat is #1
[11:56] <qweqw> ubuntu is the fastest growing
[11:56] <NeWiTa> i don't know if anyone cares but i found a solution for my problem, it seems there was a conflict concerning privileges, if i run it under sudo it works fine
[11:56] <c0ntrol> netfighter: the number of users would indicate a good measurement for the numerous problems
[11:56] <chillywilly> IIIEars: windows seems to be doing a lot better than Ubuntu is
[11:56] <knoppix> hi, i am trying to install ubuntu, but I cant, the installation process fails allways, ubuntu does not seem to find modules needed to continue installation
[11:56] <hybrid> no
[11:57] <qweqw> bah, 95% market share is nothing
[11:57] <knoppix> whats the problem, and how to fix it
[11:57] <hybrid> not longhorn
[11:57] <netfighter> c0ntrol, you are aassuming everyone comes here to complain
[11:57] <IIIEars> chillywilly is it USB or serial?
[11:57] <_chavo> c0ntrol, not really, most people are just idling in here.
[11:57] <_chavo> or trying to help someone else out.
[11:57] <knoppix> please, can someone tellme why-
[11:57] <IIIEars> << Serial
[11:58] <hybrid> knoppix: is it burned right?
[11:58] <IIIEars> er ps2?
[11:58] <knoppix> it is I think
[11:58] <Epix> bah! why is muine segfaulting?
[11:58] <knoppix> at least cd is totally readable
[11:58] <thechitowncubs> Hey
[11:58] <cadence> what are the specs on the comp/ version #s and such, knoppix?
[11:58] <c0ntrol> netfighter, _chavo ok - perhaps what i said sound too negative - not everyone has problems ofcourse
[11:59] <thechitowncubs> I installed amarok from within gnome, but the fonts look ugly
[11:59] <hybrid> knoppix: is it the right iso burned as an iso and everything no errors?
[11:59] <knoppix> no errors hybrid
[11:59] <thechitowncubs> is there anyway to change the menu font size
[11:59] <thechitowncubs> i know you can change the playlist font, etc
[11:59] <IIIEars> k3b doesn't like me does anyone remember the command for cdrecord to burn an ISO file?
[11:59] <chavo> knoppix, I had a similar problem, I reburned the CD at a slower speed and it worked.
[11:59] <knoppix> chavo same module annoying error_