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[01:58] <zul> hey
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[02:21] <zul> so how is sydney treating you?
[02:35] <jbailey> Remarkably good.
[02:36] <jbailey> So far I've managed to keep the hotel from poisoning me.
[02:36] <jbailey> And I think they've stopped trying to kill kinnison
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[02:41] <kylem> heh.
[02:42] <dilinger> that's what they want us to think
[02:42] <dilinger> they're lulling us into a false sense of security
[02:42] <kylem> jbailey, how were they poisoning you?
[02:43] <jbailey> kylem: First teaching them that the "little bit of butter" in the vegetables counts (only had to tell them that once, and it was only one waiter in particular), and pointing out to them that protein is a good thing to have occasionally.
[02:43] <kylem> heh.
[02:44] <dilinger> i'm finding weird little objects on the glasses and plates i use
[02:44] <dilinger> i suspect they're food bits, but i'm not 100% sure
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[02:56] <zul> dilinger: the hotel you are staying at must be a bunch of gentoo users
[02:56] <jbailey> Noone should eat a gentoo user.
[02:57] <zul> indigestion?
[02:58] <jbailey> High fecal count.
[02:58] <zul> lol
[03:04] <z3k3> zul: is your baz archive the same as the ubuntu baz except for the patches that are in testing?
[03:04] <zul> z3k3, yep more external drivers right now
[03:04] <z3k3> and.  what is the best way to compile after merging the baz?  there is dpkg- and some other ways.  what is best?
[03:05] <zul> dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -us -b
[03:05] <z3k3> ok, thats what I have been using.
[03:05] <jbailey> Dude, jut use 'debuild'
[03:05] <zul> after you remove the debian/config directories for the architectures that you dont want
[03:05] <zul> jbailey: im use to it
[03:06] <zul> brb....guinea pig peed on my mouse pad
[03:06] <z3k3> lol
[03:09] <z3k3> when you are back can you tell me the http:// path to your baz archive?  i thougght i put it in my notes file, but I guess i forgot to save it or something.
[03:10] <zul> http://zulinux.homelinux.net/arch/zulcss@gmail.com--2005 but it can break without notice
[03:10] <z3k3> i understand.
[03:11] <z3k3> additionally, is there a way to load a newly installed kernel without rebooting?  
[03:11] <zul> not really...if you wanted to test the abi but you really need to reboot or use something like qemu
[03:12] <z3k3> what is abi.  i was reading through the irc logs, and this is mentioned a lot?
[03:13] <z3k3> again, i applogize for all the noobish questions.
[03:13] <z3k3> :)
[03:13] <zul> its ok...everyone else puts up with me 
[03:14] <z3k3> i also read that some people make a jailed environment for building kernels, is this something I should look at doing?
[03:15] <zul> i havent done it :)
[03:15] <z3k3> k.
[03:16] <z3k3> ah, Qemu seems like a good idea, saves having to restore system after kernel fails.
[03:16] <z3k3> kinda like VMware
[03:17] <z3k3> so before you test a kernel with qemu do you create a live image of it?
[03:18] <zul> i just reboot my pc with my kernel and see what breaks under normal use
[03:18] <z3k3> ahh.  and if it fails you can select your previous kernel.
[03:18] <z3k3> assuming you backed it up
[03:18] <zul> yep basically
[03:19] <z3k3> i was looking at doing this patch.. but before I start, do you know if it is already in the works by someone?
[03:19] <z3k3> http://seclists.org/lists/linux-kernel/2005/Apr/0339.html
[03:19] <z3k3> or should I be searching bugzilla to see what is in progress.
[03:20] <z3k3> the ubuntu wiki kernel info doesnt give a lot of rookie info.. sadly.
[03:20] <zul> its not..
[03:20] <zul> bugzilla is used to track alot of stuff and when everyone is not in sydney this channel is usually more lively
[03:21] <z3k3> ok.  I'll try to build the kernel from your baz archive, test the VIA VT6410 controller, then I'll work on that.
[03:21] <zul> cool
[03:26] <zul> later
[03:27] <z3k3> peace
[03:43] <z3k3> still around zul?  got one more quick question fer yea
[03:45] <z3k3> when I did a baz get on your archive (kernel-debian--pre1--2.6.11.91) baz reported that it was * checking for kernel-team@ubuntu.com--2005/kernel-debian--pre1--2.6.11.90--patch-81 or earlier... does this merge both your archive with the ubuntu one?
[03:45] <z3k3> lol.. hope this works
[03:51] <z3k3> doh: Missing /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.12-2.6.11.91/debian/abi/2.6.11.91-1/abiname file.
[03:57] <z3k3> also get a crap load of these errrors:  Use of uninitialized value in pattern match (m//) at /usr/share/kernel-wedge/commands/gen-control line 161.
[03:59] <zul> ignore it
[04:00] <z3k3> ok.
[04:00] <z3k3> what about the abiname thing
[04:00] <z3k3> do i have to baz the ubuntu archive first then yours?
[04:00] <zul> not sure i dont get that
[04:07] <z3k3> in your archive the folder is /abi/2.6.10-34.  but when compiling its looking for /abi/2.6.11.91-1
[04:07] <z3k3> time for more scotch.
[04:07] <zul> hmmm...thats weird 
[04:07] <z3k3> i'm using the base source files from fabbione's website. so that should be ok
[04:08] <zul> not sure about that...
[04:09] <z3k3> ok, well.  I'll just manually add the 6410 patch to the patches folder and attempt to compile for now
[04:12] <z3k3> ahh.. this new 3.0GHZ is so nice compared to my newly retired PIII-600.  
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[07:29] <dilinger> fabbione: btw, if you need another sparc buildd, once my 280 is stable (well, it's stable now, but i'm still dicking around w/ silo on it), it's available for use as a buildd
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[07:44] <fabbione> dilinger: ok.. thanks. I am in Global with Herbert btw
[07:45] <dilinger> i highly recommend Vibe Out
[07:45] <dilinger> a/c, comfy couches..
[07:50] <fabbione> too comfy
[08:02] <dilinger> no such thing!
[08:02] <dilinger> :)
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[09:42] <fabbione> bah this -ABI- is the shitnezz
[09:49] <jbailey> Which ABI?
[09:49] <fabbione> jbailey: the ABI in the debian ver.. see specs :/
[09:49] <fabbione> we didnt consider the orig.tar.gz crap
[09:49] <fabbione> and i noticed only now after i did a build
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[03:05] <zul> heylo
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[03:28] <Z3K3_work> ls -alh
[03:28] <Z3K3_work> oops
[03:29] <Z3K3_work> :)
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[03:33] <Z3K3_work> Morning to everyone.  
[03:38] <zul> hye T-Bone 
[03:39] <T-Bone> heya
[03:41] <Z3K3_work> zul: i compiled successfully with the vt6410 patch.  also accidently compiled all other arch's (that took a while). :)
[03:41] <Z3K3_work> will test to ensure 6410 controller works tonight.
[03:41] <T-Bone> zul: is UDU over yet?
[03:41] <zul> Z3K3_work, cool
[03:42] <zul> T-Bone: it ends today i think
[03:42] <T-Bone> k
[03:42] <zul> i take it you are missing lamont? isnt that sweet...ahhhh :)
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[03:43] <T-Bone> ;)
[03:43] <zul> heh i hit a bone...hah! :)
[03:43] <T-Bone> lol
[03:44] <zul> and it wasnt a funny bone
[03:44] <T-Bone> tssks
[03:44] <T-Bone> why d'you have to be so mean to me when I just get back? :P
[03:45] <T-Bone> *sob*
[03:45] <zul> its because we missed you ;)
[03:45] <zul> not
[03:45] <T-Bone> huhuhu. You said it 8)
[03:45] <Z3K3_work> lol
[03:46] <T-Bone> life is boring without me around. I know =] 
[03:46] <Z3K3_work> guys, do you know who generally updates the pci.ids in the kernel.  or is it just done whenever?
[03:46] <zul> fuck it was quiet when everyone was in syndey
[03:46] <zul> Z3K3_work: usually done when there is a new kernel update
[03:47] <Z3K3_work> i imagine towards the end of testing, closer to release, so that its as current as possible?
[03:47] <T-Bone> poor zul, you felt lonely, heh? :)
[03:48] <zul> echo echo :)
[03:48] <Z3K3_work> ping.. pong.
[03:55] <zul> Z3K3_work: if you really want to get involved there are over 200 bugs open in bugzilla that deals with the kernel, what I would do is go try to find some fixes for them ;) ill send you a link to the ones in our bugzilla
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[03:57] <zul> Z3K3_work, http://tinyurl.com/bwo49
[03:58] <Z3K3_work> The page cannot be displayed
[03:59] <zul> oops
[04:00] <zul> try this one http://tinyurl.com/9m4zr
[04:00] <T-Bone> works for me
[04:01] <Z3K3_work> 225 bugs woot
[04:02] <Z3K3_work> quick question, how do I reconfigure x.org, the test 2.6.12 kernel had some ids updates that hopefuly will properly detect my pci-x graphics card and fix some jigglin.  what in your opinions, is the best way to reconfigure"?
[04:02] <zul> for now attach patches to the bugzilla, eventually you might want to set up a baz archive where we can pull from
[04:02] <Z3K3_work> ok
[04:02] <zul> er...dpkg-reconfigure xerserver-xorg i think
[04:03] <Z3K3_work> ahh.. i was trying xserver-xfree86 .. 
[04:06] <zul> xserver-xorg
[04:07] <Z3K3_work> cool.  it still detects my asus as an ATI, but it probably has a ATI chipset on it.
[04:07] <Z3K3_work> :)
[04:11] <zul> there we will now have rfswitch support in breezy
[04:13] <T-Bone> rfswitch?
[04:15] <zul> button on some laptops which can turn on/off wireless cards
[04:15] <T-Bone> ah ok
[04:15] <zul> http://rfswitch.sourceforge.net/
[04:30] <Z3K3_work> good stuff
[05:14] <zul> crappers
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[07:48] <Z3K3_work> hey hey...
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=== Topic for #ubuntu-kernel: Ubuntu kernel development discussion | http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/KernelTeam | http://people.u.c/~lamont/Archives/kernel-team@ubuntu.com--2005/ stable: kernel-debian--pre35--2.6.10 playground: kernel-debian--pre1--2.6.11.91 | There are no kernel bugs.. only broken hardware | orig/diff/dsc at the usual place
=== Topic (#ubuntu-kernel): set by fabbione at Thu Apr 21 13:25:46 2005
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[04:20] <Z3K3_work> morning.
[04:21] <Z3K3_work> I noticed a snippet from someones blog that said that CONFIG_PREEMPT is not enabled in the kernel (hoary).  Is this intentional?  He goes on to say that enabling this increases desktop speed.  Is this true? 
[04:22] <mjg59> Z3K3_work: grep CONFIG_PREEMPT /boot/config-2.6.10-5-386 (or 686)
[04:23] <mjg59> My recollection is that it's on in the Ubuntu kernels
[04:24] <Z3K3_work> humm.. seems to be enabled in my 2.6.12
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[04:24] <chuck_> yo
[04:24] <Z3K3_work> sup
[04:25] <chuck_> sick
[04:25] <Z3K3_work> bummer.
[04:25] <Z3K3_work> did you get my email?
[04:26] <zul> ah not sure when did you send it?
[04:27] <Z3K3_work> yesterday or day before.
[04:27] <Z3K3_work> I attached a new dpatch for the vt6410
[04:27] <zul> nope
[04:27] <Z3K3_work> @ your gmail acct
[04:27] <zul> yep didnt get ot
[04:27] <Z3K3_work> arg.
[04:27] <zul> whats you email addy again?
[04:27] <Z3K3_work> chris@fazekas.net
[04:28] <Z3K3_work> sent it last night around midnight
[04:29] <zul> got it..so replace the previous patch with the new one?
[04:29] <Z3K3_work> yep.
[04:29] <zul> ok will do so later..
[04:29] <zul> must go back to bed now
[04:29] <Z3K3_work> cool.  
[04:29] <Z3K3_work> ok.. get well
[04:29] <zul> i will
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[10:18] <jbailey> lamont_r: ping!
[10:32] <lamont_r> jbailey: sup?
[10:33] <jbailey> lamont_r: 3 things:
[10:33] <jbailey> 1) Did you have a good flight?
[10:33] <jbailey> 2) Can you please adduser me to  breezy-ppc64 on davis
[10:33] <jbailey> 3) doko and I will have ppc64 biarch toolchain for you rsn, Should signed debs just go up on chinstrap?
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[10:52] <lamont_r> 1) yes
[10:52] <lamont_r> 2) no.
[10:52] <lamont_r> is elmo thing
[10:53] <lamont_r> 3) what am I supposed to do with the biarch toolchain?