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| ajmitch_ | morning ogra | 12:56 |
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| ogra | morning all | 12:56 |
| tseng | hi. | 12:57 |
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| bddebian | Heya ajmitch_, ogra, tseng | 01:13 |
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| tseng | dholbach++ | 03:47 |
| StoneTable | heard you guys are having a great time down there | 03:48 |
| tseng | you heard wrong | 03:48 |
| tseng | its totally shithouse | 03:49 |
| chmj | O.o | 03:49 |
| StoneTable | lol | 03:49 |
| tseng | kidding. | 03:49 |
| chmj | tseng, ? | 03:49 |
| ajmitch_ | the food is getting to him | 03:49 |
| tseng | the food *is* shithouse | 03:50 |
| dholbach | oh come on | 03:50 |
| dholbach | don't be a sissy | 03:50 |
| ajmitch_ | at least it's a barbeque tonight | 03:51 |
| dholbach | =>>>> MaloneUniverseWishList | 03:51 |
| ajmitch_ | we need to do our Pub BOF sometime | 03:51 |
| dholbach | we'll have a meeting with the malone guys in two weeks | 03:51 |
| tseng | dholbach: dude we did that on monday | 03:51 |
| tseng | oh. | 03:51 |
| dholbach | ALL OF US | 03:52 |
| dholbach | on IRC | 03:52 |
| ajmitch_ | yeah, brad wants updates | 03:52 |
| tseng | we arent having a pub bof | 03:52 |
| dholbach | i will announce it on the list | 03:52 |
| tseng | it had to be yesterday | 03:52 |
| tseng | dholbach was being a sissy | 03:52 |
| dholbach | yes | 03:52 |
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| dholbach | absolutely pathetic | 03:52 |
| ajmitch_ | afternon, aka_daemon | 03:52 |
| aka_daemon | hi | 03:52 |
| aka_daemon | could anyone advice me where to best start reading about howto make packages for debian? | 03:53 |
| aka_daemon | I recently tried to make a mplayer package, but that didn't work out very well; some strange dependency errors?! | 03:54 |
| tseng | there is already an mplayer package. | 03:54 |
| dholbach | aka_daemon: the best way is actually to set up a pbuilder (wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto) and trying to modify an existing one | 03:54 |
| dholbach | i.e. add a .desktop file | 03:54 |
| dholbach | the debian-policy or the new-maintainer guide is a bit scary | 03:54 |
| dholbach | but they're good | 03:54 |
| aka_daemon | but there are problems with that package: for some people the internal acc is broken | 03:54 |
| dholbach | for looking stuff up | 03:55 |
| aka_daemon | dholbach: i'll have a look at that.. | 03:55 |
| tseng | do you have a patch? | 03:55 |
| tseng | its usually not our policy to make a whole new package to fix a bug | 03:55 |
| aka_daemon | I had a read at the new-maintainer guide.. didn't get too much :/ | 03:55 |
| dholbach | aka_daemon: start with the existing package, use the pbuilder | 03:56 |
| aka_daemon | tseng: I'm new to the whole package business and yet haven't got a clue at all... | 03:56 |
| aka_daemon | Can't even build myself proper packages :/ | 03:56 |
| tseng | well making a new package doesnt fix anything | 03:56 |
| dholbach | that's the best way to start, i feel | 03:57 |
| ajmitch_ | provide a source package for us to review once you have something | 03:57 |
| tseng | what we need is a patch for the bug | 03:57 |
| aka_daemon | dholbach: I'll do that for a start.. | 03:57 |
| ajmitch_ | then we can give feedback | 03:57 |
| tseng | or at least a bug report | 03:57 |
| dholbach | aka_daemon: good one | 03:57 |
| aka_daemon | please, slow... :panic: ;) | 03:57 |
| aka_daemon | how would I be able to make a patch? | 03:58 |
| tseng | do you know how to fix the bug? | 03:58 |
| aka_daemon | tseng: yes, by installing mplayer from source ;) | 03:59 |
| aka_daemon | tseng: other then that: sorry, no. | 03:59 |
| dholbach | aka_daemon: wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingTips might be helpful as well, although it still lacks a bit of content | 03:59 |
| aka_daemon | I posted the issue on the user mailinglist.. | 03:59 |
| aka_daemon | dholbach: thanks, I'll have a look there later.. | 03:59 |
| aka_daemon | tseng: signal 11 decode_audio error was the error.. | 04:00 |
| tseng | um. | 04:00 |
| aka_daemon | some internal stuff.. | 04:00 |
| aka_daemon | ajmitch_: I don't even quite grasp the difference between source package and whatever... | 04:01 |
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| aka_daemon | sry, having some problems with the irc connection.. | 04:07 |
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| tseng | ajmitch_: ping | 04:46 |
| tseng | ajmitch_: can you please change --with-tls=__thread on mono and upload again? i think it might fail on x86 now | 04:47 |
| tseng | ajmitch_: we can make it arch specific if we have to | 04:47 |
| tseng | bbiab | 04:48 |
| ajmitch_ | ok | 04:50 |
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| elmo | yeah, watch out, the proactive security folks are table invaders | 04:51 |
| tseng | elmo: cut them. | 04:54 |
| Amaranth | can anyone tell me what linda means when it says "File /home/travis/Projects/smeg_0.5-0ubuntu1_all.deb failed to process: Format args for usr-lib-in-arch-all don't match Description. (0 vs 1)"? | 05:16 |
| dholbach | Amaranth: run lintian -i on it | 05:18 |
| Amaranth | lintian gives no errors | 05:19 |
| Amaranth | or warnings | 05:19 |
| dholbach | what about linda -v ? | 05:22 |
| dholbach | or linda -i | 05:22 |
| dholbach | linda -h told me | 05:23 |
| Amaranth | nothing | 05:24 |
| Amaranth | i and v give me the same error, no extra information | 05:25 |
| dholbach | well what does it install in /usr/lib ? | 05:27 |
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| Amaranth | /usr/lib/smeg/menu_handler.py and /usr/lib/smeg/dialogs.py | 05:30 |
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| tseng | ajmitch_: ill give you a new rules file in a few minutes | 06:40 |
| ajmitch_ | tseng: too late, it is t3h building | 06:41 |
| tseng | ajmitch_: ok. | 06:41 |
| tseng | ajmitch_: rock on. | 06:42 |
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| ajmitch_ | tseng: at least mono built on i386 | 07:01 |
| tseng | ajmitch_: ok. | 07:01 |
| tseng | ajmitch_: can we try amd64 please | 07:02 |
| ajmitch_ | sure, get me an amd64 box with bandwidth | 07:02 |
| ajmitch_ | or I'll just upload it | 07:02 |
| tseng | uh | 07:02 |
| tseng | buildd | 07:02 |
| tseng | the only amd64 i have access to otherwise is gentoo | 07:02 |
| tseng | and nvidia donated to gentoo, so | 07:02 |
| tseng | ubuntu chroots wouldnt be appreciated if someone found it. | 07:03 |
| ajmitch_ | heh | 07:03 |
| thom | mine's turned off currently; sorry | 07:03 |
| tseng | thom: the buildd is fine | 07:03 |
| tseng | thom: i can handle rejection if it fails | 07:03 |
| ajmitch_ | btw mono doesn't rebuild cleanly - automated testing will catch it | 07:03 |
| tseng | and no one else is really using it | 07:03 |
| thom | tseng: *g* | 07:03 |
| ajmitch_ | clean target is incomplete | 07:03 |
| tseng | ajmitch_: as in make clena? | 07:03 |
| tseng | i know | 07:03 |
| tseng | thats not pressing | 07:05 |
| tseng | the buildd could care less | 07:05 |
| ajmitch_ | accepted, time to watch build logs | 07:20 |
| tseng | rock on. | 07:20 |
| ajmitch_ | what are you editing now? | 07:21 |
| tseng | im not editing | 07:21 |
| ajmitch_ | ok, just going to work on selinux then | 07:21 |
| tseng | ok. | 07:21 |
| ajmitch_ | since we're scheduled for a session | 07:21 |
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| tseng | ajmitch_: um | 08:13 |
| tseng | ajmitch_: whats your rules file look like now? its still broken | 08:13 |
| ajmitch_ | obviously I wrote it wrong then | 08:14 |
| tseng | im looking up your diff in pool | 08:14 |
| ajmitch_ | you could always look it up on your box & fix it there | 08:15 |
| tseng | i could | 08:15 |
| tseng | is it still in my ~ ? | 08:15 |
| === ajmitch_ will bbiab | ||
| ajmitch_ | no, ~ajmitch/breezy-chroot/tmp/breezy | 08:15 |
| ajmitch_ | probably drop the quotes | 08:21 |
| tseng | yes | 08:21 |
| tseng | and the += | 08:21 |
| tseng | +ifeq ($(DEB_BUILD_ARCH), s390) | 08:22 |
| tseng | + JIT = --with-jit=yes --with-nptl=no | 08:22 |
| tseng | + ATG = arch_target=s390 | 08:22 |
| tseng | +endif | 08:22 |
| tseng | i guess the + is ok | 08:23 |
| tseng | since we are setting it up before | 08:23 |
| tseng | quotes are the main thing | 08:23 |
| tseng | ajmitch_: i built a new source package in there | 08:27 |
| ajmitch_ | ok | 08:28 |
| ajmitch_ | still waiting on network issues.. | 08:33 |
| tseng | i think ill bug elmo about keychain if he shows up again | 08:51 |
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| GheRivero | hello everyone | 09:18 |
| GheRivero | i need a package to be uploaded to breezy, can anyone help me? | 09:18 |
| ajmitch_ | what package, is it not in debian? | 09:19 |
| GheRivero | yes, it' sin debian, but not in breezy | 09:20 |
| GheRivero | libevent | 09:20 |
| ajmitch_ | libevent1 in debian? | 09:21 |
| GheRivero | nfs-utils have been alot of days failing to compile in breezy due to a broken dependencie | 09:21 |
| GheRivero | yes, that one | 09:21 |
| GheRivero | http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/n/nfs-utils/1:1.0.7-3ubuntu1/nfs-utils_1:1.0.7-3ubuntu1_20050429-0807-i386-failed | 09:21 |
| ajmitch_ | it's in unstable, no idea why it's not in breezy.. | 09:22 |
| thom | libevent1 is in hoary | 09:22 |
| ajmitch_ | check for build failures on libevent, the source may be there | 09:22 |
| thom | can't imagine it's anything but FTBFS | 09:22 |
| GheRivero | libevent has not fail to build, really strange | 09:24 |
| thom | libevent1 | 0.8-2 | hoary/universe | amd64, i386, ia64, powerpc, sparc | 09:25 |
| thom | libevent1 | 1.0b-1.1 | breezy/universe | amd64, i386, ia64, powerpc, sparc | 09:25 |
| GheRivero | and i suppose libevent-dev is available too without any problem... | 09:26 |
| ajmitch_ | yep | 09:26 |
| GheRivero | then why this: | 09:26 |
| GheRivero | Checking for source dependency conflicts... | 09:26 |
| GheRivero | /usr/bin/sudo /usr/bin/apt-get --purge $CHROOT_OPTIONS -q -y install debhelper libwrap0-dev libevent-dev libnfsidmap-dev libkrb5-dev | 09:26 |
| GheRivero | Reading package lists... | 09:26 |
| GheRivero | Building dependency tree... | 09:26 |
| GheRivero | E: Package libevent-dev has no installation candidate | 09:26 |
| thom | don't expect breezy to work right for a while | 09:28 |
| GheRivero | uhm... then i will wait, but this have been failed for more than 2 weeks already | 09:28 |
| GheRivero | thx everyone | 09:29 |
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| tseng | ajmitch_: are you near lamont? | 10:15 |
| ajmitch_ | yeah, he's just talking to jbailey | 10:22 |
| tseng | it seems odd that there is no build log | 10:23 |
| tseng | (still) | 10:23 |
| \sh | moins | 10:29 |
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| ajmitch_ | tseng: buildd fun again, lamont is looking into it | 10:35 |
| ajmitch_ | the package built ok though | 10:35 |
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| hunger | libboost-dev is missing lots of files. The debian one works fine though. The guys at #ubuntu said I should report that here. | 12:23 |
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| ogra | hunger, please file a bug in malone (url is in the topic) | 12:44 |
| hunger | ogra: Already did that. (bug#512) | 12:47 |
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| GheRivero | res everyone | 04:44 |
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| tritium | Good morning, trulux | 06:00 |
| trulux | hey tritium | 06:06 |
| trulux | tritium: howya today? | 06:06 |
| tritium | trulux, great. You? | 06:06 |
| trulux | fabbione: I'm going to port the ssp kernel patch to more archs right now | 06:07 |
| trulux | tritium: fine too, worried about my crt monitor | 06:09 |
| trulux | tritium: it's broken | 06:09 |
| trulux | and I need to move all the work to my laptop | 06:09 |
| tritium | trulux, that's no fun | 06:11 |
| trulux | tritium: it's a royal pain | 06:12 |
| trulux | I move even they keyboard table and it losses signal | 06:12 |
| tritium | yeah... | 06:12 |
| trulux | and I've been looking at the internals, it smells like burnt out | 06:12 |
| trulux | the f*cking power connector moved all the base of the connections piece | 06:12 |
| trulux | it's an HP mx70 with less than 2 years | 06:12 |
| trulux | that's the worst part | 06:13 |
| tritium | Be careful with the flyback transformer. You can really shock yourself! | 06:13 |
| trulux | yeah, I haven't touched it while connected ;P | 06:13 |
| trulux | I'm not in the best time for buying a new screen, but I've started looking for good TFT offers | 06:14 |
| trulux | until then, this f*cked up my weekend hacking | 06:14 |
| trulux | or, as a bash.org kid would say, how can I watch my porn if any movement causes the screen to switch off!? | 06:14 |
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| herve | 'evening | 07:36 |
| trulux | hey herve | 07:37 |
| trulux | herve powah! | 07:37 |
| herve | ? | 07:37 |
| herve | :-) | 07:37 |
| herve | thanks for the warm welcome :-) | 07:37 |
| trulux | herve: ;P | 07:38 |
| trulux | herve: hmm, I got time to work on the gcc-3.4--hardened package | 07:38 |
| trulux | herve: did the libssp package slook good to you? | 07:38 |
| herve | I haven't reviewed it | 07:39 |
| herve | you just gave me the gcc hardened diff.gz | 07:39 |
| herve | and I missed the orig.tar.gz | 07:39 |
| trulux | herve: ok,I'll send them again | 07:51 |
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| herve | trulux, failed | 08:05 |
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| trulux | herve: ... | 08:13 |
| trulux | herve: done | 08:15 |
| trulux | :) | 08:15 |
| herve | now let's find the time | 08:24 |
| herve | :-) | 08:24 |
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| trulux | herve: ok, is it working? have you applied the diff? | 08:32 |
| herve | later this night | 08:33 |
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| trulux | herve: ok | 08:36 |
| trulux | hey tritium | 08:36 |
| herve | hi tritium | 08:36 |
| tritium | hey trulux, herve | 08:36 |
| trulux | tritium: what was that url for the university webcam? | 08:36 |
| tritium | trulux, I'm not there today. | 08:37 |
| tritium | Still want it? | 08:38 |
| trulux | tritium: yes | 08:38 |
| trulux | tritium: I've seen the sun rising over it until my screen got completely broken | 08:38 |
| tritium | trulux, I was in the "Drawing Room": http://www.krannert.purdue.edu/info/home.asp yesterday | 08:39 |
| tritium | trulux, this is outside my office (except that I'm on the 2nd floor): https://engineering.purdue.edu/ECN/WebCam/cam02 | 08:40 |
| trulux | tritium: btw, MacOS X 10.4 out | 08:41 |
| tritium | yep | 08:41 |
| tritium | trulux, so are you hoping that blonde girl will be there again today? ;) | 08:44 |
| trulux | tritium: not really ;D | 08:47 |
| trulux | I will try if sometime I get there ;) | 08:47 |
| tritium | try what, trulux ? | 08:48 |
| trulux | to look beyond the camera | 08:48 |
| trulux | *grin* | 08:48 |
| tritium | heh | 08:49 |
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| trulux | fabbione: ping | 08:56 |
| trulux | tritium: just scrolled around the tabs and that blond girl you were talking about seems back | 09:04 |
| === trulux grins | ||
| tritium | trulux, is that right? | 09:17 |
| herve | man! 50 million downloads of firefox | 09:20 |
| tritium | Progeny Debian 3.0 has a graphical installer... | 09:22 |
| tseng | its based on anaconda | 09:23 |
| tseng | which is crack. | 09:23 |
| tritium | yeah | 09:23 |
| zul | hey tseng | 09:24 |
| Burgundavia | tseng, what is so crackish about anaconda? I understand it is, but have never heard the full explanation | 09:24 |
| tseng | Burgundavia: it has alot of bad python | 09:24 |
| Burgundavia | ah | 09:25 |
| tseng | and the gentoo fanboy making an anaconda installer | 09:25 |
| tseng | he put his base tarballs in an rpm | 09:25 |
| zul | lol | 09:25 |
| tseng | im not sure if progeny made it grok deb or not | 09:25 |
| trulux | tritium: yep | 09:26 |
| trulux | tseng: hey | 09:26 |
| tseng | Burgundavia: its pretty tied to redhat | 09:26 |
| tseng | hi | 09:26 |
| Burgundavia | ok | 09:27 |
| trulux | tseng: I'm doing the portability job for the ssp kernel level helpers | 09:27 |
| trulux | tseng: I have a job for you: find someone to test them | 09:27 |
| trulux | I don't have the needed infrastructure | 09:27 |
| trulux | nor time to check, I just believe they will work | 09:27 |
| trulux | fabbione: I've ported the patch to alpha,ppc,ia64 and arm | 09:28 |
| tseng | we arent targetting ssp | 09:28 |
| tseng | and I still thing ssp in the kernel is crack | 09:28 |
| tseng | ssp apps in a non-ssp glibc chroot isnt a compelling use case to me | 09:29 |
| trulux | tseng: ... you're again wrong ... | 09:29 |
| trulux | tseng: what about integration? what about having a weak reporting routine? | 09:29 |
| trulux | I don't want to talk about it again, too much already said | 09:30 |
| tseng | integration with? | 09:30 |
| trulux | tseng: SELinux in the near future | 09:30 |
| tseng | I must be too dumb for you. | 09:30 |
| trulux | tseng: just I have a larger wide range of view, and some imagination for this job | 09:31 |
| tseng | that sounds like a cool idea | 09:31 |
| tseng | linking avc to it | 09:31 |
| trulux | tseng: no, the audit framework | 09:31 |
| trulux | that's what would rock | 09:31 |
| tseng | sure | 09:31 |
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| tseng | we really need a ssp implementation that is upstream-able | 09:32 |
| trulux | yeah, I just suck on explaining what I do, most times people believe I'm a jerk that doesn't do anything, until I bomb out a good set of patches or send an out-dated mail to the list ;P | 09:33 |
| trulux | tseng: I need someone to do the basic politics, I need some new volunteers | 09:33 |
| trulux | I can't waste a lot of time doing excessive packaging | 09:34 |
| tseng | excessive? | 09:34 |
| tseng | i can think of < 10 packages you have | 09:34 |
| tseng | anway yeah we set the agenda this week, SSP didnt make it | 09:34 |
| zul | without packaging you have nothing concrete to show for | 09:34 |
| tseng | so i wont be working on it this cycle | 09:34 |
| trulux | zul: I was talking in other terms, currently we need a consistent base before doing any packaging, and that means doing upstream job | 09:35 |
| tseng | there is plenty more to do with universe security, mono, maybe some selinux patching up. | 09:35 |
| trulux | tseng: I agree, mono kid | 09:35 |
| trulux | :) | 09:35 |
| trulux | anyways, I've got 7 free days to mess with all of this stuff | 09:35 |
| tseng | if you want to be more involved in ubuntu, you'll have to work closer to the rest of us instead of on your own numerous tagential paths | 09:36 |
| tseng | if you want to go your own way, fine | 09:36 |
| tseng | i cant help you get testing and devs for your "crack of the day" ssp stuff or selinux addons | 09:36 |
| trulux | tseng: I agree, it's just that we gain momentum, thus, we have time to do the deployment and integration work | 09:37 |
| trulux | tseng: so, how was the BOF, finally? | 09:37 |
| trulux | tseng: I'm on the sysctl stuff | 09:37 |
| tseng | which? | 09:37 |
| tseng | cool | 09:37 |
| trulux | tseng: SELinux | 09:37 |
| tseng | it was mostly ajmitch and I | 09:38 |
| trulux | tseng: *shrug*, I asked ajmitch to call him (phone) for talking on it | 09:38 |
| tseng | we'll start looking at the patches and pushing them to maintainers | 09:38 |
| trulux | but now it's too late | 09:38 |
| trulux | ok, great | 09:38 |
| trulux | the bugs are already in the bugzilla | 09:38 |
| tseng | prolly from FC4 | 09:38 |
| trulux | I'm tracking FC4 selinux work | 09:38 |
| trulux | le tme worry about it, you must be fresh and cool with the patches integration | 09:39 |
| tseng | so about ssp, thats a regular thing you are pushing | 09:39 |
| tseng | i dont think we are going to make any headway on it in ubuntu until something is maintained upstream | 09:39 |
| tseng | not by etoh | 09:39 |
| trulux | Etoh is not too fast at working on it, but he does it well | 09:41 |
| tseng | thats fine.. we move gcc faster than etoh | 09:41 |
| tseng | its not going to happen while that is the case | 09:41 |
| trulux | I think I will focuse on my career the next months, improving some skills, I need money | 09:41 |
| trulux | right | 09:41 |
| trulux | bbl, dinner | 09:42 |
| trulux | I'll be back in 15 minutes | 09:42 |
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| bur[n] er | now that java is in backports repository... could someone snag the azureus .deb from sid and put in universe?? | 09:42 |
| tseng | backports != ubuntu | 09:43 |
| bur[n] er | well damn | 09:43 |
| herve | what's the relation ship between backports and universe? | 09:43 |
| tseng | we dont support and, and we arent going to add something based on a backport | 09:43 |
| bur[n] er | maybe I should ask the backports folks :) | 09:43 |
| herve | (relationship) | 09:43 |
| bur[n] er | sorry tseng, my bad | 09:43 |
| tseng | maybe you should all work on ubuntu :( | 09:43 |
| tritium | tseng, what do you mean? | 09:44 |
| bur[n] er | i didn't mean to cause any tension, just curious | 09:44 |
| tseng | tritium: backports are evil, and people could study up a bit more on packaging and join MOTU, do something proactive | 09:45 |
| tritium | bur[n] er, you didn't cause any tension | 09:45 |
| herve | bur[n] er, but still, you could say "hello" when you come in :-) | 09:45 |
| tseng | we are looking into doing java for breezy using GCJ | 09:46 |
| bur[n] er | hello ;) | 09:46 |
| herve | hi bur[n] er ;-) | 09:46 |
| tritium | greetings, bur[n] er | 09:46 |
| herve | tseng, the mess between gcj, classpath, each one's strenghts and weaknesses, is cleared out? | 09:46 |
| bur[n] er | gcj == free right? | 09:47 |
| herve | g = GNU, I hope so :-) | 09:47 |
| tritium | I guess you could call it a right, and yes, it's free ;) | 09:47 |
| mjr | free it is | 09:48 |
| mjr | herve, in addition to those, there's at least swingwt, which might be useful as a more complete swing/awt implementation... | 09:49 |
| mjr | (no, dunno about clearing out the messes) | 09:49 |
| trulux | tseng: back | 09:49 |
| trulux | 7 minutes, new record :) | 09:49 |
| herve | mjr, that's my point, there's a constellation of free java alternatives, each one focusing on a issue | 09:49 |
| mjr | yeah, just pointing out one major one | 09:50 |
| trulux | tseng: could you tell me what exactly are the goals of the kernel patches proposed by the pro. sec. bof? | 09:51 |
| tseng | trulux: its very clear on the wiki | 09:51 |
| tseng | the biggest thing we want is the tmp race fix | 09:51 |
| trulux | tseng: no, I mean, upstream submission | 09:51 |
| tseng | upstream for that would be nice | 09:51 |
| trulux | tseng: dilinger desires | 09:51 |
| tseng | yes. | 09:51 |
| trulux | tseng: ok, working on it | 09:52 |
| tseng | dilinger talks to mm | 09:52 |
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| trulux | tseng: ok, where do you think it should be (the sysctl entry)? | 09:54 |
| tseng | no idea | 09:54 |
| tseng | its 6am | 09:54 |
| trulux | I won't add a new domain (ie. SECURITY=11) | 09:54 |
| trulux | tseng: it's 22:00 here fater a long week, I'm suffering somewhat type of No-i-won't-sleep illness and I'm tired too | 09:55 |
| trulux | but I'm the kid behind the sysctl interface being modified, who needs to know where to put the beatiful entry | 09:55 |
| herve | I don't remember kids are playing with systcl :-) | 09:56 |
| herve | but admitedly, I'm old-fashioned ;-) | 09:56 |
| trulux | herve: then I'm a strange kid, anyways.... :) | 09:57 |
| mjr | hmm, seems the classpath awt/swing is in better shape than I thought... | 09:59 |
| trulux | fabbione: is mips support imperative? I need to work out tseng's stuff and I've rent a movie in the videostore, it's waiting in the table and I'm too sleepy to wait more for watching it | 10:11 |
| trulux | ;) | 10:11 |
| tseng | fabbione: we arent even build on mips afaik | 10:12 |
| tseng | er, trulux | 10:12 |
| \sh | evening gentlemen | 10:13 |
| \sh | herve: ping | 10:14 |
| herve | evening and pong, \sh | 10:15 |
| \sh | herve: u read my comment to the eric3 bug? | 10:15 |
| herve | either I replied to it, or you're talking about another one I did not have notifcation for | 10:16 |
| \sh | herve: u said, that we should replace python qt and sip....well...I'm waiting for the new version of pyqt and pykde...there r some bugs in it and the upstream dev will fix it in 1 or 2 weeks..after this I will update the packages | 10:18 |
| trulux | tseng: that's it, ok, thanks | 10:18 |
| herve | \sh, ok, I don't even remember it :-) old comment? | 10:19 |
| \sh | hehe...didn't read your new comment ;) | 10:20 |
| \sh | the old one of yours ;) | 10:20 |
| herve | I need to dive again into it | 10:21 |
| herve | which I'm not able to do without having *slept* ! | 10:21 |
| \sh | ok..I'll make some dpatches tomorrow :) | 10:21 |
| trulux | herve: why? take some oz of Offee | 10:21 |
| \sh | just because i need sleep as well :) | 10:21 |
| \sh | too many beers yesterday with our nagra consultans | 10:22 |
| herve | trulux, oz? the wizard? :-) nah, just need to *sleep*! | 10:22 |
| \sh | and I'm an old man ;) | 10:22 |
| trulux | herve: no, 50oz of coffee: http://www.google.es/search?hl=es&q=50+oz+to+kg&btnG=BAsqueda+en+Google&meta= | 10:23 |
| trulux | 50 ounces = 1.41747616 kilograms | 10:23 |
| herve | it's based on the logarithm of kilograms? | 10:23 |
| herve | just kidding :-) | 10:23 |
| trulux | ok | 10:23 |
| trulux | ;P | 10:23 |
| herve | but sure 50 ounces of coffee will kill a man! | 10:24 |
| \sh | not me ;) | 10:24 |
| \sh | 1.4kg equals to 1.4l? | 10:24 |
| trulux | no, it will cause him the same effect that most Gentoo devs suffer | 10:24 |
| trulux | like being on too-much crack | 10:25 |
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| herve | \sh, depends on the density of the liquid you're considering | 10:25 |
| \sh | then 1.4kg of coffee is 3l of coffee in our company..so I'm not dead u see :) | 10:26 |
| trulux | herve: hah, that amount of coffee won't get disolved in just 1.4l | 10:26 |
| trulux | :) | 10:26 |
| \sh | finally, we have to discuss if we're talking about coffee powder, beans or ready to drink liquid coffee ;) | 10:26 |
| trulux | \sh: hah | 10:26 |
| \sh | c | 10:27 |
| \sh | cause 3l of black liquid coffee is no problem for me | 10:27 |
| herve | 3 l makes two regular bottles of mineral water... | 10:28 |
| \sh | yepp | 10:28 |
| \sh | herve: ask ogra how much coffee i'll drink during a 8 hours workday :) | 10:29 |
| herve | I'm afraid to :-) | 10:30 |
| \sh | heh | 10:31 |
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| \sh | ok...bedtime :) | 10:34 |
| herve | good idea | 10:35 |
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| herve | yes it is, job can wait | 10:50 |
| herve | bedtime too | 10:50 |
| herve | night all! | 10:50 |
| tritium | trulux, sorry, back now | 10:54 |
| trulux | tritium: ok :) how was the work? | 10:55 |
| tritium | trulux, it's just administrivia I'm dealing with this afternoon. | 10:56 |
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| === Topic for #ubuntu-motu: Ubuntu Masters of the Universe | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Calendar | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUTodo | => http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MaloneUniverseWishList <= | please file universe bugs in https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/distros/ubuntu/+bugs | ||
| === Topic (#ubuntu-motu): set by dholbac1 at Sat Apr 23 01:42:01 2005 | ||
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| sybren | hi there | 01:30 |
| sybren | I was told I'd have to talk to you people if I wanted a package to be added to Universe | 01:32 |
| sybren | I'd like to see the package 'mkvtoolnix' in Ubuntu. There is already a Debian package that's statically linked, I see | 01:33 |
| sybren | One moment, I'll give that one a go and report back ;-) | 01:33 |
| Treenaks | what is it? | 01:33 |
| sybren | it's a toolkit for manipulating and creating Matroska files | 01:34 |
| sybren | Ubuntu has already support for those files via (amongst others) Xine | 01:35 |
| sybren | I thought it would be rather silly to have support for playing those files without being able to create them | 01:35 |
| sybren | and since it's a 100% free container format, I thought it fitted Ubuntu quite well | 01:35 |
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| sybren | in case you don't know Matroska: it's an audio/video container format | 01:38 |
| sybren | quite a tad better than OGM | 01:38 |
| sybren | yep, the debian package works just fine | 02:16 |
| sybren | anyone still here? | 02:25 |
| \sh | yeah | 02:39 |
| \sh | please add your package to https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UniverseCandidates | 02:40 |
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| dholbach | hellas! | 02:59 |
| \sh | huhu dholbach | 03:15 |
| \sh | dholbach: home sweet home | 03:19 |
| dholbach | \sh: yes :-) | 03:25 |
| \sh | dholbach: tired or no jetlag at all? | 03:27 |
| dholbach | tired completely | 03:28 |
| \sh | hehe | 03:28 |
| dholbach | i think i will take a nap | 03:33 |
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| \sh | hey ogra | 04:17 |
| ogra | hey | 04:17 |
| \sh | ogra: nice to have u back where u belong :) | 04:17 |
| ogra | hmm, i'm not really sure where is belong yet ;) jetlagging hard here | 04:18 |
| ogra | s/is/i/ | 04:18 |
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| bddebian | Hey folks | 04:51 |
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| bddebian | tritium: Hey, congratulations on figuring out why there are unpopped kernels of popcorn.. ;-P | 06:44 |
| tritium | bddebian: hey there! Say again? | 06:51 |
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| bddebian | tritium: http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050418/BUSINESS/504180327/1003 | 06:53 |
| tritium | Oh, okay. heh ;) | 06:54 |
| bddebian | :-) | 06:54 |
| tritium | How's it going? | 06:54 |
| bddebian | Shitty. You? | 06:54 |
| tritium | I'm okay. What's the matter? | 06:55 |
| bddebian | Work, life, Debian, you name it.. :-) | 06:56 |
| tritium | Sorry to hear that, bddebian... | 06:57 |
| herzi | dholbach: http://www.blaubeermuffin.de/packages/hula/svn202/ | 06:57 |
| bddebian | tritium: Bah, it's not that bad man, thanks. I just like to whine. :-) | 06:58 |
| bddebian | But I'm going to lose my NM status and I still can't decide if I care or not.. :-) | 06:59 |
| tritium | bddebian: I'm trying to stay connected 24/7, using screen and irssi-text at home, so I can attach from my laptop wherever I'm at | 07:00 |
| bddebian | Heh | 07:00 |
| dholbach | herzi: can you put it on MOTUToReview? i seem to have to catch up with quite a load of things | 07:00 |
| bddebian | And I thought I was an IRC addict.. ;-) | 07:00 |
| tritium | bddebian: trying not to be... | 07:01 |
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| GheRivero | res | 07:17 |
| herzi | dholbach: can't edit that page | 07:31 |
| dholbach | herzi: hm? | 07:32 |
| dholbach | wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUToReview ? | 07:32 |
| herzi | dholbach: www.ubuntu.com/wiki/MOTUToReview doesn't allow me to login, www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/... does | 07:34 |
| jabra | for trying to build a package if I am getting dpkg-source: unrepresentable changes to source | 07:40 |
| jabra | debuild: fatal error at line 764: | 07:40 |
| jabra | dpkg-buildpackage failed! | 07:40 |
| jabra | what should I do to fix that | 07:40 |
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| jabra | ? | 07:51 |
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| herve | houba! | 07:52 |
| herve | heya daniel! oliver! | 07:52 |
| tritium | Hi herve | 07:53 |
| herve | michael too! | 07:54 |
| herve | :-) | 07:54 |
| tritium | :) | 07:54 |
| bddebian | Hello herve | 07:58 |
| bddebian | Betcha don't know my name.. ;-P | 07:58 |
| herve | Barry? | 07:58 |
| bddebian | Doh | 07:58 |
| bddebian | Yes | 07:58 |
| herve | heya barry!! | 07:58 |
| herve | :-) | 07:58 |
| bddebian | :-) | 07:58 |
| bddebian | You didn't cheat and use /whois did you?? :-) | 07:59 |
| herve | right click on your nickname, does it count? | 07:59 |
| bddebian | Yep :) | 08:00 |
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| herve | i'll remember it for the next time then | 08:01 |
| bddebian | No worries | 08:01 |
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| jabra | dpkg-source: debuild: fatal error at line 764: where is the file I need to look at or how should I go about fixing this | 08:05 |
| jabra | unrepresentable changes to source | 08:05 |
| GheRivero | jabra, there should be some binary file that you didn't delete properly or something similar | 08:06 |
| jabra | ok cool thanks | 08:06 |
| herve | or the "make clean" didn't delete | 08:06 |
| herve | alternatively, you introduced a binary file, yes | 08:07 |
| jabra | ok cool I wil try that and see if that fixes things | 08:07 |
| jabra | ok everything looks like it worked but my key had errors | 08:11 |
| jabra | gpg: [stdin] : clearsign failed: secret key not available | 08:11 |
| jabra | debsign: gpg error occurred! Aborting.... | 08:11 |
| jabra | debuild: fatal error at line 787: | 08:11 |
| herve | do you have a GPG key? | 08:13 |
| dholbach | hey herve | 08:13 |
| dholbach | jabra: you seem to have not changed debian/changelog or don't have a gpg key | 08:14 |
| herve | yes, not changing the changelog is harmful too :-) | 08:14 |
| herve | there you see the master of the masters of the universe ;-) | 08:15 |
| GheRivero | jabra, you can force the use of a gpg key with the -k option | 08:15 |
| herve | or ignore it with --us --uc :-) | 08:15 |
| jabra | ok I will check those | 08:20 |
| jabra | if it is a new package what should be in the changelog? | 08:21 |
| dholbach | you could use dh-make for a new package | 08:21 |
| jabra | right | 08:21 |
| jabra | that is wat I am using | 08:21 |
| dholbach | or dch for debian/changelog in general | 08:21 |
| herve | ho yes! | 08:22 |
| herve | always use dch for changing the changelog! | 08:22 |
| herve | dch -Dbreezy for ubuntu | 08:22 |
| jabra | it just says initial release | 08:22 |
| dholbach | emailadress and name alright? | 08:22 |
| jabra | ya | 08:22 |
| herve | jabra, you're making a new package? | 08:23 |
| jabra | ya | 08:23 |
| herve | ha! | 08:23 |
| herve | different matter then :-) | 08:23 |
| jabra | well this package isn't new , only new to ubuntu | 08:23 |
| jabra | I will be making a new package soon for ubuntu | 08:23 |
| herve | so there's an existing debian directory? | 08:24 |
| jabra | ya | 08:24 |
| herve | and you're not the actual maintainer? | 08:27 |
| dholbach | jabra: you have a gpg key? | 08:27 |
| jabra | yes | 08:27 |
| jabra | wait it isn't the full name in the config | 08:28 |
| jabra | can I change the name with from dh_make | 08:31 |
| dholbach | i have these in .bashrc | 08:31 |
| dholbach | export DEBFULLNAME='Daniel Holbach' | 08:31 |
| dholbach | export DEBEMAIL='dh@mailempfang.de' | 08:32 |
| jabra | o ok cool thanks | 08:32 |
| dholbach | maybe you still need dh_make -e <email> or something | 08:32 |
| jabra | ya but the name wasn't my full name whihc is probalby why it failed on the gpg key | 08:32 |
| herve | yes it probably needs the name your gpg key is associated to | 08:33 |
| jabra | ok done | 08:37 |
| jabra | anyone wanta test radmind ? | 08:37 |
| herve | not yet | 08:38 |
| jabra | should I just post it to the wiki | 08:38 |
| herve | jabra, you read the new maintainer's guide, | 08:38 |
| herve | ? | 08:38 |
| jabra | yes | 08:39 |
| herve | so you should know you need to test your package by yourself at first :-) | 08:40 |
| jabra | ya obviously | 08:40 |
| herve | installing, removing, reinstalling, force installing, purging, reinstalling... | 08:40 |
| herve | and it should fail a single time | 08:40 |
| jabra | gotcha | 08:40 |
| herve | should *not* | 08:40 |
| herve | :-) | 08:40 |
| jabra | right | 08:40 |
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| herve | hi matthias too :-) | 08:43 |
| jabra | herve: aight I tested it | 08:55 |
| herve | you mean it passed the test? | 08:56 |
| jabra | ya it passed | 08:56 |
| herve | good, while I'm waiting for trulux | 08:57 |
| herve | I think I can review it | 08:57 |
| herve | but be warned | 08:57 |
| herve | I'm not easy :-) | 08:57 |
| jabra | ok who is | 08:58 |
| jabra | jk should I email it to you? | 08:58 |
| herve | url | 08:58 |
| jabra | k | 08:58 |
| tritium_ | trulux, how are things? | 09:02 |
| jabra | herve: let me know wat I need to fix | 09:03 |
| herve | jabra, I need the *source* package :-) | 09:03 |
| jabra | ok | 09:03 |
| jabra | so you want the .orig source or just the source | 09:09 |
| dholbach | orig.tar.gz .dsc and .diff.gz | 09:09 |
| jabra | k | 09:09 |
| jabra | sorry for all the dumb questions | 09:10 |
| dholbach | jabra: they're not dumb at all | 09:11 |
| herve | ho yes | 09:11 |
| herve | don't tell me you made a native package with no diff.gz :-) | 09:11 |
| dholbach | herve: even if jabra had: that's how all of us started ;-) | 09:12 |
| jabra | no there is a diff | 09:13 |
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| herve | ok I admit, I found it cool to write a software package debianizable from scratch | 09:14 |
| bddebian | Hehe | 09:15 |
| herve | but now I understand much more what I do | 09:15 |
| herve | it's like doing xhtml, I understood a week ago why I and many others were doing it bad | 09:15 |
| bddebian | Unless your ignorant like me.. :-) | 09:18 |
| herve | unless the web is not your job :-) | 09:21 |
| bddebian | Bah I know a lot of people who don't know shit about their "jobs".. :-) | 09:22 |
| herve | ho don't tell me... | 09:22 |
| jabra | dholbach: ok http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/jabra/build/radmind.html | 09:22 |
| jabra | let me know what I need to fix | 09:22 |
| herve | well, now I'm thinking about all the crap I believed in and taugh... *fear* | 09:22 |
| dholbach | jabra: could you please put it on: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUNewPackages | 09:23 |
| jabra | ok | 09:23 |
| herve | jabra, it's not a well formed html document :-p | 09:23 |
| herve | I told you I'm not easy! | 09:23 |
| dholbach | jabra: i have still a lot of stuff to do, so i will get back to it at some stage | 09:23 |
| herve | no, kidding, that's not our matter | 09:23 |
| jabra | heh ok | 09:23 |
| jabra | herve: I will put in on the wiki that ok? | 09:24 |
| jabra | that is well formed enough | 09:24 |
| herve | dholbach, anyway, I think he should have asked, since I told him I'll review it :-) | 09:24 |
| dholbach | i'll be happy to review it... but just not today :-) | 09:24 |
| herve | hmm not really, it's serving html with an xhtml syntax | 09:24 |
| dholbach | after 22h in the plane i feel a bit... shitty | 09:25 |
| herve | ho no, let's not feed the troll :-) | 09:25 |
| jabra | herve: what would you like me to do | 09:25 |
| herve | jabra, I'll review you package | 09:25 |
| jabra | ok cool thanks | 09:25 |
| dholbach | me too | 09:25 |
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| herve | feel free to add an entry to the wiki meanwhile | 09:25 |
| jabra | will do after I have to rebuild it | 09:26 |
| Burgundavia | dholbach, seen this little tempest meets teapot? http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/05/msg00000.html | 09:26 |
| jabra | herve: are you going to email me or pm me or something? | 09:26 |
| jabra | also I have my public key off my main site just delete the word build in the url | 09:27 |
| herve | jabra, you active presence on the chan sure helps | 09:28 |
| herve | your key isn't really usefull | 09:28 |
| herve | I can't trust it | 09:28 |
| dholbach | Burgundavia: i'm getting a headache | 09:28 |
| herve | Burgundavia, I was about to write "well, write to Ubuntu instead of complaining on Debian lists, *this* will not feed the troll." | 09:29 |
| Burgundavia | indeed | 09:29 |
| herve | then the author of the pages an mdz answered | 09:29 |
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| jabra | herve: wat should I do about the key? | 09:44 |
| herve | keep it warm | 09:46 |
| herve | make it sign by others | 09:46 |
| herve | so you enter the web of trust | 09:46 |
| jabra | ok well I just created it recently so will you not review my package until I enter the web of trust and what do I need to do to get other to sign it . (like key sign party) | 09:47 |
| ogra | jabra, you just gave the answer :) | 09:49 |
| jabra | thought so | 09:49 |
| ogra | jabra, meet a person you want to sign your key in person (doesnt necessarily need to be a signing party) | 09:49 |
| jabra | I will get a bunch of my friends to have a key signing thing | 09:50 |
| jabra | ok | 09:50 |
| herve | jabra, that doesn't prevent me from reviewing your package | 09:51 |
| ogra | ah, yes... the key is only needed for upload rights... | 09:51 |
| herve | just that I cannot trust the identity of the person who did it | 09:51 |
| herve | which I strictly don't care for now | 09:51 |
| jabra | herve: ok cool thanks | 09:51 |
| herve | ogra, glad to hear you :-) | 09:52 |
| jabra | heh cool | 09:52 |
| dholbach | see you tomorrow | 09:52 |
| ogra | hey herve | 09:52 |
| ogra | :) | 09:52 |
| herve | bye dholbach | 09:52 |
| jabra | I will have my key signed tomorrow | 09:53 |
| herve | jabra, first thing | 09:54 |
| herve | I saw you changed 3 files outside the debian/ dir | 09:54 |
| herve | generally speaking, you should use dpatch for changes | 09:54 |
| herve | (will I'll show you later) | 09:54 |
| herve | but these are config.guess and config.sub | 09:54 |
| herve | I guess it's an allowed exception | 09:55 |
| herve | but about build-deps | 09:55 |
| herve | if you changed it for your debian needs, it's a candidate for the dpatch system | 09:55 |
| herve | otherwise, the fixed version should be in a new upstream tarball | 09:55 |
| herve | jabra, you intend to see you package some day in the future? | 09:57 |
| herve | or just ubuntu? | 09:57 |
| herve | jabra, please remove .ex files | 09:58 |
| herve | these are examples from dh-make to remove if not needed | 09:58 |
| herve | debian/control is obviously not ready | 09:58 |
| herve | debian/copyright almost worst :-) | 09:59 |
| herve | please read debian/README.Debian :-) | 09:59 |
| ogra | and use lintian ;) | 10:00 |
| herve | that would have been my word of conclusion | 10:00 |
| herve | you introduce a dependency on autotools-dev but don't declare it in your debian/control | 10:01 |
| herve | in debian/rules, remove dh_* command in comment if you don't need them | 10:02 |
| herve | and last but not least | 10:02 |
| herve | install linda and lintian | 10:02 |
| herve | rebuild your package | 10:02 |
| encolpe | use linda | 10:02 |
| jabra | ok | 10:02 |
| herve | they will say more or less the same thing than me | 10:02 |
| herve | thanks ogra and encolpe, my two padawans :-) | 10:02 |
| jabra | heh | 10:03 |
| encolpe | hehe | 10:03 |
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| jabra | can the description be longer than 60 chars? | 10:11 |
| ajmitch | hi | 10:11 |
| herve | hi ajmitch | 10:12 |
| GheRivero | res | 10:12 |
| herve | jabra, I think your debian/control is informative enough | 10:13 |
| jabra | it says up to 60 chars | 10:13 |
| jabra | the best I can do is like 90 ish | 10:13 |
| herve | so you give too much information | 10:14 |
| jabra | just wondering if anyone is going to complain about that | 10:15 |
| herve | yes, me :-) | 10:15 |
| ogra | and lintian :) | 10:16 |
| herve | ogra, I'm worst than lintian! muhahaha! | 10:16 |
| bddebian | ajmitch!!! | 10:16 |
| herve | jabra, remember you have Debian's new maintainer's guide in your hands | 10:16 |
| ogra | herve, but you both are not as imporant as elmo, who will just not accept it ;) | 10:17 |
| herve | sure, but the package wouldn't have passed the herve workflow anyway ;) | 10:18 |
| ogra | jabra, if you want elmo, herve or any other MOTU to accept a package, just make sure its lintian clean | 10:19 |
| jabra | ok good to know | 10:19 |
| ogra | herve, btw.... we should finally make you official ;) | 10:19 |
| herve | ogra, no answer from elmo | 10:20 |
| ogra | herve, he's jetlagging (like most of us) | 10:20 |
| herve | clean as snow | 10:20 |
| herve | I love snow | 10:20 |
| herve | let it snow, let it snow, let it snoooooow | 10:20 |
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| ogra | heh | 10:21 |
| herve | ogra, I was told he came back (from something else?) last monday, I was misinformed | 10:21 |
| ogra | yep... | 10:21 |
| ogra | i saw him yesterday leaving sydney | 10:21 |
| herve | lucky you all, you were there :-/ | 10:22 |
| ogra | herve, currently it doesnt feel to good (just woke up from falling asleep over my keyboard) | 10:23 |
| ogra | jetlag is evil | 10:23 |
| herve | that's my little revenge! muhahaha! | 10:24 |
| ogra | heh | 10:24 |
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| herve | anyway, daniel's postcard was nice | 10:24 |
| herve | ajmitch, you're jetlagging too? :-) | 10:24 |
| ajmitch | no | 10:24 |
| ogra | heh | 10:24 |
| ogra | hey ajmitch | 10:25 |
| ajmitch | but I had to sleep in the airport on sunday night | 10:25 |
| ajmitch | hi ogra | 10:25 |
| herve | ajmitch, come on, go to work! :-p | 10:26 |
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| jabra | ok obviosly this isn't ideal but package something that includes a shell script with no man page any thoughts? | 10:45 |
| jabra | there are man pages for everything else but not this script | 10:46 |
| herve | is this shell script a command accessible from the shell prompt? | 10:47 |
| jabra | good questions I think so | 10:47 |
| jabra | a man page will be included in the next version of the package | 10:47 |
| herve | if so, this is a bug with regard to the debian policy | 10:47 |
| jabra | right | 10:47 |
| jabra | next version will include a man page but can it still be included despite not having the man page? | 10:48 |
| herve | if there are other forms of help, probably | 10:50 |
| herve | note it's not a policy violation, though | 10:50 |
| herve | there a packages still in debian with serious bugs against them ;-) | 10:51 |
| herve | night all! | 10:54 |
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| \sh | re guys | 11:12 |
| \sh | oh I hate washing salons | 11:13 |
| \sh | hmmm | 11:16 |
| \sh | http://kitenet.net/~joey/blog/entry/debian_founder_not_allowed_on_planet_debian-2005-05-02-16-36 | 11:16 |
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